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, previous.. _ .. Ito the RepOrt. of the Seta ' Cora -1 mittee, with the eskcption , of Tr6tter's account current, current, he House was not in pos..,csien of any evidence' explanatory of the 'application of - that awn ; but on looking . ' it, the - t .nn of 2.4 ,lti_r 1 : 1,0 001. borr owe d 'ter a lord ... N . lelville by 'Trotter, CO interest, roust hel d• t e , .Tdrottelr acknoNitledged It. was' not until he w as h ard pressed bd.t.ua In the Committee that h at e was himself the lender it this sum. .r.Phe Honourable Gentletnan had urged against the Noble Lord, 'that" in his state ment yesterday evening he had not mentioned ei ther the, lender of this mln t ey_er aii t o li n e security on liitieli. it was deposittd• that he had il' .l e e re ildered the whole iuh awe zYt,) Mll5 ÜbNiOtis e . ,an follow that la a private transaCiion ; but it did not - there-was.no ostensible lender.. It was not a sum er . - fro ai whi c h Lord Melvill e had deriveddantYo per. „(111a1 advantage, but for which • 116 irptterthe same, interest that he havewoul P d al t . c . lone 'lle to any other Member of the Communi y h - -. 5,0001. turn Wai thUl:ol,lght clown to less than, °f tlii4 the subscription to the L0.....,ya1ty Loan . amounted to i 0,00 01. the security for . which r i e t t aained in the. hands of Trotter, and the interest which discharged the interest of the sum advance d tor it. Thus was the gross sum for which' Lr e , Nl,elvilk stood accountable reduced. , to that' \ "„'"ich it was on the. last vote .of the House of_ . Comoro on the SubjeEt, , namely, bet.ween 10 an,d... 4 . 16 ' °001 ". hl the . whole of this transaEtion, therc 410 , as developed by the SeleEt CoMmittee, nothing 2 4 - or more culpable than what was formerlyth. i , 141 1 had been discovered • and was it wt in ii ;ere of possibility that Lord Melville should , J ell lie •' , ... uc° e iY e zt hi, - self-estiniation, supposing . t lot '“cl . for such a i,,,!fait should never he pnvel c ~ . ,711.tonsideration ? It was mit probable that ' I : t : Y : le period he was in possesion of mcire , than 6 or 6 ,000 f ' k i uut htating it at the - utmost, supposing 1 5,0'001: the ahnual value of Which was . 1;74, what motive could such a' man, possessed of , ' 4. •h a charmer; vested With such a 1 1 " q, i,_ l ; til ' lt Noble Lord, have to embark in such a 'w,i,ekeo. '1.(1 barefaced transaEtion for such a paltry SUM t ''ltil re-Speft .to the , payment •of Navy ' Bills a t .t(..!,,iitt.'s, it was a subject of general . notoriety ; d al , t , e mt , whatever was made to : Conceal it. — , `"t•Te Vcea ally wish to derive from this prac-. it.-- ti .114eitodvantagei., would drifts on that - the banking ( use have been given to 'every man who walked ratL n'eeti?. -In this Country,' which had to boast Wthe. purity of its 'Ministers bad been ,unpolloted 11,:j11.nries, is/4s it.' pOi§ible' tb. suppose . that the f .1; 1 . e 1.(4d Would sell himself to perdition or crown. the , • ? And t„' " a P.ticei and in, so - stupid a M a nuel_ , , f rs , o N„val Int NNI1Q1" after . i' tile; . tad i tilt had been appointed e ,• ° a na n ni tl_ is a s , f7i.e n r t ' theY suppos, , ' willed their tremeitious precepts, he 1 , , . . ° (4.by w' . • '. - •• with Trot , - „,.. , . . aY ot concealing his connemon , „-s' to go t o a man of bnsiness for the purpose at Zimblita'hitnto cld that which, 'had 'he been gui.lty don " which Was . laid • to his charge, he 'mold hale. c -741 m ore laid himself. Not Batistied with this, L :11ftdence in, Spettiswoode, he had, Confided in ta l e, tqtl•gl4,l4. of Scotland ! and to what•purr""e was all , 1 1 1 - f td idelice ? 'AcCoriirng. -to' his 'acettiers it Its Sout,,eraiftft'orr the purpos e ',a self-cleStrit&ion l ' le the Most anxious attention.that per 14 he 6(1 ever paid (6: a snbjeet. in the whole . u.... not inipu.e any 5.... 1 ,, : v4111. 1 °t ' h is iiie. he* "CO 11 ' 1. . I " nns a lt t O the Nol;le-t,ord, although he' could ad" k not but I li that nothing could b e more. Unfortunato than al,Z.tittli6ll. But t-114 any'ne'w 'or strong addi . tiOn- , o' l l l ' ,'" ~, e gtrlst him had been produced in-the 'ReP9rt 'the u,;,,, ut1 -ekt . Conirratee he .pOsitively denied.. ~On VI - " tat Y,that Report extenuated rather' than' ag . the car of the case. consider .trl - ih:lseatib.tbje .iipuse now for the last time. importance lleo Ln i L : i t with the solemnity which its ~ tviiieh L , h e 'i and to come to a deliberate decision : vie w ,T,IY . should not hereafter feel 'coripelled to ' :bro 1 ,1, -1 ' l'egret. Without meaning to derogate ' ' til t - •*` e ' ta lents of the Hon. Gentleman who was thin(),:,O.nal prosecutor 'of this affair, or to utter any tita Anal least degree disreipeEtfol to his ch.a -tv14:,,,11' conjurCd, -the House to ask . thern.selves tidv , s VA or ri ,, t , he had been a prudent or successful t e l i i llv 'neilsures hitherto adopted by them, , -:' thus bother or riot. he was likely to be' so in .. :,;„ficini:ll.‘kitilAtit ere to follow.' He thought that Hon• cewi n etll4 ll intim: feel - in his own breast that the pro- I . M ei . aagts. fteLolnmencled by him had'not been •altoge lion, wi t t s f i ' d '‘°rY i that to corne to a' vote of cortvic itcl4,d Qu i t , i, an y the proof of guilt; Without hearing , . .; a ti tni is-':,,W.t.,,, %It ppsse;,h Ing ton , ground .on which de l i lir t_l mind could reconcile to itself the con coht„,' 'II of ariylnclividual, however 'Obscure 'and t_,,tiatitrnePrtilf),,le_, It.uCh less one who bore the high . ` lis tinfti ot i s ' t alp t nt,s, and`who enjoyed the - : hrillian t I coN, l __ or the Noble 'Lord, was. not en ti r el y th , i aat to the diEtates Of liberality or justice. Jo t(d) t i v ( :,! i ti lr , Be (4. precipitation, ,he had to add that of ot . i tut indeeiston- The Hon.. Gentleman gave , ice of a Ti 4 . , . *. , ti e am, ,ootion, 4.yi rhl he after the lapse .6f aweek. Itwei44toly sh4ndoned. B y his tneasureS - he , bad 1 )41 " the llouse Of Commons in a situation of N'il4r:lltrras,luent ; he - had g . iven to their :peo : 41eltle' l4 appearance of a desire to punish Lord. ' 4 , 1 9 il o t i t , t by, ,11ece-meal`; to put , hirn . to. torture, and ti e l iwv4 4,,-4,with pleasure and exultAtion at which the 441 ; ur ul ey 'rY true Briton, revolted. It ,had been ~ I' " liY do : -' . subMit iluist.if Ls • not Lord Melville wish to . .„ , L I - to the 3,(4,11 P a rt , Judgment of his Pe ers.?" --- . . 1 7 ta t i ve ti uthini; :coUld iminCe hint to no- - tha t tot,''' question thr‘ briaging U' Nobie 'Lord IP iti4)„ t;'1,111al did he conceive' that it, woad afford bot _4 fair ~,, b e „ niPcirtunity of excel .)ation• But til,i.:"11111! th at o:iviz..iiiitroi)teterrevi,:ei a t etde.v • ici r , r et i i i - c e :e ie c . ,9 4 . ''.,.‘si ,11::::.11,(;;;Itu,rceb`t;t I t oie case, 1,„, . I q(! ' kt iew i kbl e 1.4.);.idt1;t! 14).,u0.01. being and he. declares, :11 4:altaough in the . .:48 ' of, the it v. 14 04 th - , , le was ignorant of its ap '-Itiou. ) aild le N. - i"T tl a ireatioit that the merits of' ,the cage' I. „'ili'.. 1 f .',',.vl t leo c . Quid the-1-touse of . /..0 . 1 % 14 ,de; r puhlier cotiviacd him of holding 19094, of 1 4 1 4 , Yl nait tr , 0 . 1°1.4 1 in IIL. of anteceden•, „. .! o '4le . lie c, a 4 .1..e.:,4) of Trotter (which was scarcely ...,.„. in 01, 4 ow"' of acknowlecigrnent seem- to , ry.tirt rjr 4ev.idence, ,fid-thi ‘:I3 illnditliSSible in a . eal, tui ,, , , stice,),it Would be only a conviEtion -8f w ait \v i ` 141 ( 1 Lot :guilt of that dark -c.timPleljtm ~,, % tit,,,.,, G kteh it titi,Alitlid been painted by the Honourable 1 (j. l' '' 411 -." Ill s '' d - But .if the libuse ik , , era d e. ,,,, , .. tort Juters. , . ,7: - „LD it 1r Flare Lord l‘lelville innocent, wele ''' ' it il ..0 ' d)th 141 1'40 to. rt:SCillti the vote by 4t4 ~ i cy h a d I ~ - • b• 4,4ieto, ( e;peiletl ho the service of 'is ) ttAd f. . . -- ' ll the ivice of hi: Ceuntry, a 1 . ..,_ qIPO It W' S t. „ the ; u know' t° o olitic/ ly . 10 ,6 1: ter 1; 1 A _,. to r" . „ Joie th i s 0; ( it °' 0 credit vet 0411' Coiled 3 Tit. At. Man who 10:;7 . ,,,at such a tune as the present, \kn. Most sincerely, Mbe deplored ? Feeling, therere, that he might be-considered as Morally, guilty, under the Mask of legal guilt i 'and that cf:he :I,vere pro- Claimed innocent, he could not recover_ the advanr taps of innocence; was, it wonder:fill:that the Noble Lord was desirous to avoid, the .fruitless ordeal What mode of precedure then was left for the House to pursue ? That ,on which. they formerly decided; a decision„which nothing new had . - oCcurred to j. Change. A civil suit was the bust Adapted to the ends of Pu'olie justice. In a civil suit the Judges 7,voukl, not be prevented from availing themselves of the. testimony Of the 'Noble Lord himself. The :proceedings. in, a civil .suit would be more likely to attended with fairness and, impartiality than a Criminal Prosecution. Shoul d .. the guilt. of the Noble Lord,be found as great as it was described. to be by his accusers, would the Country think the transaction badly or . incompletely.wound up by compelling him:to ,refund his .pecuniary' gains, after the.,other severe punishment which had'alreadybeen iufli&ed on him'?—a punishment the Most bitter to the feelings of man, in consideration of the dis grace and ignorniny that must attend 'him through the remainder of . 116 existence. Under 411 these circumstances, he felt that the 'l-lOttse . had i arrived at a : point .at Which to` it was indispensible • the, eXecu tion of their public, duty to preSs no 'further the pu nishment of the accused. Would'any map say that the punishment ',Lord Melville llacl aireadyundergone *as i nia sufficient to Make'eVery Member of Govern tnent.latik . With . the utmost Striaties . s . to The execu tion of the 'laws with which, they, were separately entrusted ? Public justice was appeased, sod' it might surely be now allowed. to look, back on ,the public life of the Noble 1 . 441; •andto examine: Whether or not that life had beeri devoted,'to the service of the country, theresentment Ofwloch had been . so Strons ly excited against him.—FroM his earliest acitaint awe. with Lord Melville lie had watched his fiat's' With the utmot attention, and he had ever fS)4II,CI filth discharging, the various and important duties in . which he was engaged with the utmost in tegr.ity. 110i -ought mantidly by side in. the defence of Constitution; at a wllOll it ;was surrou 1)(1e(1 by the 'Most pelY, lous Circumstances'. In the. peculiar department in 'tvltielf he 4 . 3c1 so unworthily succeeded t4at Not*: .he had daily opportunities of W;inessilla the effects of his brilliant talents indanigabre as, siduity. Feeling most strongly the sentiments which' he had endeavoured to Convey to the Limn.; he was firmly eonvincednot only that he should bestfuhil his duty to the Hotise and to the Poblic by , oppoSing the Motion (if the Bon,...Gehtleman', „hut that he 'shonld be guilty of:infringing' the most valuable pri vileges of the. Etylisli. Constitution, zind the: Most sacred principles of justice, if he could indneed to Accede' to tha t Mod on. • • • • Mr. GREY could nOt .allew the' 'question to go to a decision, after the Speech of the Noble Lord, without expressing opinion on the attack that had made ,l?y hitri' oh Isis Hong he might say,. on the Souse.itself, , ahe'lNoble Lorct accused his Hen: Friend of having- rriisled the HouSe, into . proceeding; , - discreditable to ':diem. HoW was ,it that, his ..J:lonouralqe Frien,d enjoyed so much in . - ,'lluenee with the House !, That he possessed:great abilities acid great industry . was true,. but would that industry or those gbilities , have ,prevailed on the House toadopt any unjust arid ins roper sure ? Besides, What share liattliis _HOnourabl. Friend in the proceedings complained ~01?—The only .one proposed by him was the censure con tained. in, the IttiseltitionS, of the Bth . of April.- -He afterwards , moved for an unlimited Crirmnittee on thd othef parts of the Tenth 'Report, particularly on tho4e . Whia.h, regarded 'the question of ' , Lord vine's participation in the profits ari'singliOni the, use of the public money; brit wittrall'the influence with which he was supposed to be invested, did he persuade the House to agree with Him ? No. And becanse, a Committee of limited authority having' been appointed, on the Motion of .the Chancellor of the Exchequer, hi, Hon. Friend' had abandoned his intended 'proposition for instituting a Civil Suit, now rendered nugatory; he had been accused of in decision.— It Was afterwards proposed, and carried, not by his Hon. Friend, but by an, Hon. Gentleman opposite,. who had voted - in favour of Lord Mel ville-on apreeeding occasion, and who had never since.voted against him. He put, it to, the House • therefore to say,„ whether .or not it was commonly fair, or conimenly 'decent, to.accuse hii Hon. Friend of having been the cause of the embarrassment in which the House was said to be involved by.the adoption of the proposal for instituting a ,Ciyi j l Suit against Lord Melville? By seine sintulatperVer sion of reasoning', the, .ReSolutious• passed by that 'House, expressive of their sentiments on the du& of the Noble Delinquent, had been considered by many; and among The rest 'by the Noble Lord' Who had preceded him,. ,as pun It ent. 7 — That they operated severely on the feelings of Lord Melville he had no doubt; but he denied 'that, they produced any substantial punishmen— t. It his generally the. practice to originate Imp:melt- Ments sin Resolutionl a similar .nature. As to thp objection that the Resolutions had.been voted without - inquiry, he must.repeat what had been' so frequently said, that , they were founded on filets, they rested on they acknowledgments of Lord Mel ville and Mr. Trotter themselves, which to the,House seemed to require no further inquiry. But then, sayi'.the Noble Lord, a measure of punishment was afkrwards taken: 'What ? The resignation by Lord , Melville of his seat at the head of the Admiralty Board; followed up by a Motion in the House for 'an Address to His Majesty ; to expel him from hiS Conneils,'whi s ch•- was tint, agreed to. Was this pu nishment? Was this. retributive justice? Would a false steward •he :considered' as sufficiently punish ed by being ciiimissed fiem his situation ? For his part lie thought the, House had done right ': in vothig.for the -Resolutions of the eth of April, the neecsoa,rj consequences of which was,, the retiring of Lord Melville from office; and he thought they had done right in laying-those Resolutions before she apprise His Majesty, that, he had a per -606 service unfit for' any place of trust and Ont. In the event 1-lis I'vlajesty order e4, PAYUIP ' maze to be erased from the tiet CouneillWo: If the k. , :oble - Lord thought this putiitinsinkl.utterly disproportionate to the offence (which lielild 4, asserted), lie should al ledge this against the Right Hon: Chancellor of the Etchvquet, Who had recommended his Reyal.Mager • to tale..., thii- step. In lE.i nething, in the. proceeding • that had already been adopted, by the House could operate as a bar ageinst any further proceedings that:Might be judged necessary. Does that Noble Lord mean to say; that any punishment was too great ?..or that hadany very heinous,trans- Idiom been . discnvered by the Sere& Connifittee, the House would have been precluded from instituting a , criminal prosecution against the perpetrators ? The proceedings of the House. had been hitherto confined to the subjed of Lord Melville's .all wing the law -tia be violated by his Agent: Why not' on • that part of the stlbjed yet untouched, the participa tion of Lord Melville -in .illicit profits, institute 4 a, criminal prosecution . ? What - could beurged against 'such a step ? It could scarcely be maintained .that other parts of the transaction were subject to crimi, nal prosecution, but that this was ,sacred.—The 'question then arose, whether or not L'Ord' had enjoyed Such particiixition ? This the Noble Lord did not affed entirely to deny. , He :contended indeed that the participation was not so extensive as it was asserted to be.by Lord Melville's accusers; but he Admitted that from such participation he might.. derive an income , of •7501..-a. year.' If so much were admitted, the House might easily c6njeCture what was the fad. The Noble Lord expressed his opinion,'- that the drawing .Of money from the • Bank for the purpose of ficilitating the' details of the 'Navy. °dice, was a violation rather .of the letter than of. the spirit of. • the A& of Parliament. If it were, really and. Lana, fide for the puipose of discharging ,these small sums, it would be so ; and neither Ae, tier. leis Honourable Friend; nor 'emy man in the House Would, he was convinced, be so vindiEtive as to pursue such an infeingement of the' A& to punishment, . But•was..this the charge ? No ; the charge- was. that Lord Melville under this specious pretext did authorize Trotter to 'withdraWr immense .liisms Of money from .the Bank, to. be afe terwards applied, purposes of private emo- Inn - lent., The Inquiry Would resolve itself into two 'heads: Was this _done with. the concurrence' of Lord" Melville end if so; did participate in the einokiment of it ?,----into the diseie,Sion bf these pointS Ga,ny entered at *considerable length? and brought a variety of circumstances Prom the Tenth Report, anti I' -em the Report of the Sele& to c staff,. a them:. By the A& founded` on the Report of . the Commissioners of Public Ac counts in 1'785, Lord,Melville must have been , aware that no' additional perquisite or gratuity was to be allowed (to the., salarr_alletted by that Ad) to the Paymaster of the Nag, 'The operation of that .A& with regard to the transfer of balances' from the hand of the Paymaster into the custody of the. Rank was deferred by the sole authority of .Lord : Melville from 'July 1785, when it ought to . I ave . taken place, to January 1786, when It adually did takk, place. On same of these balances_ post- • five proof existed . . of profit having been made by . Lord 'Melville ; in two 9 f these. Balances particu larly, amotnating in 'all to 50001. -of which the Country, had never received a shilling. To con- .coal the false accounts of transfers,. the.doctunents, Memorandums, tic. bad been cautiously destr6y., ed. The Noble Lord assericxl, that the pradice, of lodging . money in the bands' of private Bankers Was attended •yvith much . .convenience, and ,th!lt that. coliVenience had been proved by the evidence of Trotter ; but since he had left the Office a ties ae rangement had, taken place, without any recourse to this expedient, which had been found. perfeetly .compatible with comenienee. . However painftil to him, he must say, that he could not possibly give ..credit to the assertinn male ' by Lord ‘Alt,dville in the House, that in 1797 he ,did not know money to to large amount had :been' drawn from the Bank by Trotter. Lord Melville had bt`:en accomniod'ated by Trotter Ni-ith -large sums of mriney, ,not bearing interest, and he must know that Trotter had no Means ,of raising this supply but by withdrawing ,it from. the Bank. Was he ' . not. aware that - the, 22,00'01. advanced to Tweedy; had not been drawn ' from the Blnk, Merely for Abe details of Public Service ?—lt was impossible that he ojoula ittit be so. When there fore wefindhim assuring the CIT%-acir.r.oa of .the ExcH L ouzi that •• any reports of such pioce4dings were unfounded rumours, this was an additional cir cunett,ance to prove the necessity of a Criminat,Pro-. seeution. Had any return been mace to the precept Of the Committee .of tque, stating the profits made by Mr, .Trotter?. No. What then was the fair' con clusion ? Then comes the famous tranSildion of the release, cOntaining, a positive . engagement to destroy notonly the Vouchers and Meanorandums, but even the Boo:: of „AA:Counts. The tune alt which this ;e) - reetnent was entered into` was enough to prove 'trio real cause. of it. As to registretien, it was nu publicity. In his Letter to the Commissioners of Naval Inquiry, whydid net Lord Melville state that the. burn mg of his Papers i1,"4 iii COnSegli::nce of that release ? The Articles "by which Lord Melville was suspected of Making profit, he.deniek.i seletrately, but :the Charge was not on particulars, but that he had. generally ktiown . of, mid 1-4krticitted in the specu lations of Trotter. Th e sums advanced by Trotter. to Ldrd Melville, increasing _gradually from 8001. to 10;0001, could not proceed' frond any but public funds.. Of the 10,0001. in the lends of Lord Mel ville previous to the‘ Payntastership of Trotter .We should neVer have heard but. for the Committee.- 7 . This., therefore, is a new circumstance, and a most materi4 one: Itwas contrary to law that hi. should be in possession of that sum ; and when he comes and tells . you he will never disclose.the application of it to any man, heaffords . tine s trongest presumption; that the application was` as illegal its the. possession: If tarliarrient pasts over such A declaration as this unpunished, 'blare is an end of all, responsibility in the Public Offices. Or what use, are all the Ads restraining such kr:inset:liens ? Of what use are the rtlellations respelling Scent Service' Money, if a Trea.§urersof the Navy, or a Paymaster, or a Lord 'pf the Treasury, can divert tlie Public Money to any purpose ho pleases, and Alien boldly say, he will not only refuse to account to the House for the .applica tien Of such Money;but that he will refue to coin:- nein:tette it to those who ought to be completely M . his centidt . 'nCe, in all public mosnreti. A licence' wouldd n tlius be is to melversation. The Noble Lord . say 3, punishment i t only for the sake efesant pie, and that exiimple has already been tendered stn..- ' ticiently htriking to deter any imitators. This is cer tainly the principal, but not the on end of punish ment. ' Punishment lads tometenes ettlided ibr fl i nt purpose of reforming the offend4l . , tonletiint.:z to re nave hill from lite possibility of repetition of h'3 crime. A.variety of clrctitri;t:inces tonctirred to nictli: fy it. But in the preset 4 instance, had Lqta diai7b any thing nincli less thiin *hal h'e has done) punishment, could be inflicted less tlian that which he has stitrerecl ? I,k.the °hie LON had been detected forgery, the degradatiort that would have folldiiled would nave been intolerable to a man of fieclitig . . . . _ rio mail Would say, it would have been enough to sat iS.: fy idle justice of the County. The 'severity, of justice was not ,desigued for the reformation of the IndiVi: dual, but to deter others from similar crimes. It . . , Wag on this principle; that the privaCy of the crime Was; in our a ground for the aggravation of the punishment. The crilue principally cOmplained of in the piesent instance had continued fourteen yt.ar4 undiscovered and unsUspeaed,„ and vvas discoVered only by aecident. -A. rigoren4 prosecuti,ul was necessary to. prevent the example of the . . • - Crecy, -the dete6tion merely by accident, and the ih. sufficiency of the punishment on the dete6tien; loth drawn into an example to encourage futnre Sation. • The proceeding by' Impekhnient Abided the Noble Lord more ample means of defenee t for it could comprehend, the whole consideration of the circumstances of the case. The Noble Lord stidect; thai; it vas inipossible Lord Melville could oefelid ,himself against a:Criminal iirosecution, having .stroyed his Papers, however, was Lord l\lel= ville's own act„and ought not:to' prevent liiS If, on the trial, the Court should he of an opinion that he had not participated in the profits, and that his crime was merely having itiadvertently the abuse, ke ‘squid be ,/equitted, and restored to his ritation. For these reasons, and for those SO fib!) , enforced by his Noble Friend near him (LOrd, lA, Potty); who, every time he Siwko, raised hint.; if higher in the opinion of the froue, he was tar the orqlinal - Motion, fur proceeding IV Impeachtrient.— Next to Impeachment he approved of the PKoseeution, and if the eriglual Motion -hold trot tv: agreeato, he wcUld . yete - tar the Amendment, and:- move the insertion upoi) it of tho words, " That flip Attorney-General be directed , to prosecute." }-fe: had no personal illwill to. Lord Melville. On the contrary, he would rejoice if the Noble Lord cuull be proved innocent, : lie supposed the Noble Lord alliicied to him wheli he statea . ihat the lasbi;s'iniii6te4 on him were rendered more severely ,by the consi-;‘ duration of the hands from which they came: Helm- deratdod this to apply to him from a fbriner alitision. BUt he denied that any obligation had been sonferred on him in the matter.refeiTed to, Which should pre• . vent him from doing his duty. - It was merely an a& 9f justice that was done, certainly to . personi who were most dear to him (Lord Grey and Earl St. Vinceht). He had himself most"earnestly . pressed • 'ter the Inquiry, in opposition to those - Who . were supposed to have acquired such rights . over him:by resisting it... - How did it happen that this in,grati:. tude, which was now so liberally charged upon him, was neveronc'e mentioned, during his constant 0140- 'sition to the Right Honourable Gcntlemau oppositei (the Chancellor, of the Exchequer), Alto was eqo6-1,., ly a&u e in conferring the supposed favour, and against whom he had moved decided Resolutions of a criminal nature. The magnanimity :•of' employing in the service of the Country persons of opposite p - litiyal sentiments had teen much insisted upon = but the fa& ,was, that thcf Noble Earl, whose sel ' tiCei had so Much . -benefited the Country, had always taken a 'very different course of politics from lino. The Noble Lord s .who Was' the subject-of OW p; c- debate, had less right titan any man to complain oe the:possibility of the persons by whom he may be • • tried having been present at the meetings where • Resolutions had been entered into against Win. •If . any hardship could arise to the Nob); Lord in this roped, it wags hardihip inseparable,frott (hie Con- , stitution. The persons who had attended these meetings had not done any thing to prejudice the • Nobl6 Lord's case; . but'no man was less,.entitled to complain of hardship in this respe& than the Noble Lord., &cry one . would retolleCt theproceedings held . with respeet to the State, Trials in 1791 and .1793; and bow a&ive the' Noble Lord had ben in • promoting all those proceedings. • Taking the two Reports together,. he thought there was All irresisti ble mass of evidence to skew the criminality /Of the - NOble Lord. If, the Impeachment should not be arced to, t 1 V he hoped •the'House Wou;ote that he • be preceeded against criminally. Lard CASTLEREAGH explained. He had stated that if the f.t0,0001. lent.to Lord'Melville should bp proved to be Public tioneY, even then the. advan 7 Cage enjoyed froM the use of it would amount to no More than 76 - 01 a year, for which a man in Lord Melville's situation could hardly be supposed to ha zard his,charader. • Mr. MINIMS (Lord Me son) fiaid, he , would detain the. House but a very few minutes, not meaning to entWinti) what it would be unwar- * rantable in .lihn to oder any observations up n,, those general matters which had been .so ably can vassed' by persons. much m H inure than he. e rose p r incipally ti r the purpose (4 noticing one or two observations that had.'fallen from the Hollow-11- We Gentleman who spoke last, .and on one or tw o otherS, with NVea to :vhich the House was not in posse , ision of the fads. lie AN - as enabled to sign . t?w,e fdtis preekely : (Jut of the point's he alluded f „ iit ii 1-10nourabV C . i'ttitleman's speech was to 3rds the. conclusion, in which. the Ilononrable Gen tletnan,st:ited, that Lbrd M lville adverted to Some did not rue~;ii to that idea persons wikb whom he (Mr. NrV dlei lolr. convey GREY) wits intimat e ly NDAS) r 4ort 14elville did o cann9t pretend to say ; , but thi s I: i) ani perfectly sure of, that nothing was farther from his mind thini to wish to restrain, by, a reference to any tbriner pro - ceedings, ati'y pet son whatsoever front delivering+ lu opinion with respect to his conduct. The other:point related to the utrzetings in the diifk.rent Countie, particularly in the NietropolisAnd its icinity. There was jitstre:ison to tunt)hiiii that at th,i,e meetings exag,gerated language Wai hat roSpc!ct 1,01:4 addre,;;;eA to pqrsoils who were but ill acttlatekbto juti,,r,e. If his condtict'wambronght. to jud: , tilellt, thiV or, aetty other respect:tblts he would nut ivivet:topplained tint when his eandugt was nlaite a suiaJe,c t t f deelain,:ition tOre as::,elX)lles tho,:e lie alluded , to, PO fads., there was .a ;e c a l V) l n7 i t ° o ßP3 Co t it i p u l g ai ‘; n W :t r-e :such Sttted pro ", - c ‘% e 'll e e d: i g n s 4 t t.l ll° v s e e ry uniair and very !lard. At otto rne4t ing Itt parekuLir, near_ the M.ttropolis, pecula- , tions of Lord Melville, his joint dapredAio:is with Air. Trotter, and the biunden by which.