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TRH - SUN, LO ND O.& f facilities of communication which now existed between `hie country and India, HO would therefore keep the e• -lament of India out of Parliament as far as possible. gove. hear.) But this measure would really diminish (Flear, w 'lenity of the Indian Minister, because he the reepon= h t e en by the existence and by the control of would be fett'.. - Secretary of Sato was outvoted in the Council on some quern, • , his council. If the he would, in stating the pee- . indicate to his friends that the m e plan, it 'en or plan of Indian government, e s w in as th o e vb_ House of Commons, cil. (Hear, hear.) The Council . was not his—that h mit he was moving tae indicate is the Ceun their cognisance, That might abjec t to the Secre• tary of State takieg matters out o f , That bad been said to him when at the Beard of Con •+l very frequently ; an d what was his answer --e" I o a hs tt tttnk so ; you are quite wrong." (Laughter.) There was civility t en both sides, and there was an end of _it. But that would nus.& be the case now with t th . es n t e h g e el i e t let men, who had their friel- ndll t il e t P h a i r s li b r il e p n h l t i t h it would and everywhere. (Hear.) et e ehich bad been con create that form of governmeo . - mean e mpee m e a demned by all authorities on governmee. of the in irnperio. (Hear, hear.) Though the naemtee— ' me Council themselves might nut it in Parliament, there was nothing to prevent their sons, or sonsen-law, or fathers-in-law from doing so. (A. laugh.) For the 15 who could not sit there might be 30 nearly connected with them who could sit in Parliament, and could do the work better than themselves. The 'more they consi dered this scheme the less likely did it appear to hold together. He did not say that he was sure i t would fail. He did not want itto fail. It wasadangerons thing to prophesy about what was to happen to-morrow or at home. It was a safer course to predict what was to happen in 100 years, or in Armenia or some distant part of the world. (A. laugh.) All he said was that if the measure did succeed, it would succeed against the ex perience of all the men he bad ever heard talk on the subject, against the experience of the country, and against their lordships' experience with reference to other matters. It was said, " Would you trust one man with the Government of 180 millions of people ?" Why, they trusted the noble earl (Derby) with the Govern ment of a great many more than 180 millions ; one man was responsible for the government of the whole empire. (Hear, hear.) He selected his Cabinet on that prin ciple ; ao would the Secretary of State for India. If there was anything which the Prime Minister could not settle offhand the Cabinet would be assembled. He (Lord Broughton) would rather trust one intelligent, honest man with the management of affairs with which he had been previously properly acquainted, than he would trust half-a-dozen men. The Secretary of Sate wou'd have no difficulty in getting a staff about him. He might easily get a sufficient number to advise and assist, not to thwart him, but to give opinions ; in this way, if a proper choice were made of the secretary, the government cf India would be conducted as well as human prudence could devise. (Hear, hear.) The notion of the necessity of a Council had arisen from the functions of the old Court of Directors, Did their lord ships think the despatches were written by the Court of Directors or any of them ? When he was at the Beard of Control they always recognised certain hands, and knew, or thought they knew, who wrote each of the despatches, as well as if they had stood behind the gen tleman's chair while he was doisg it. It was one of the great merits of the Court of Directors which ought to be recorded and never forgotten, that they chose good sew vents and wise servants. (Hear, hear.) Did their lord ships ever know a foolish person choose wise servants ? Never. The servants of the court were as good men as were ever found for the performance of their function?, and those men were available now. Mr. John Mill was alive—(hear, hear)—so wet e many others ; he mentioned Mr. Mill b manse he was a well known and distinguished man. (Hear.) There were others at the Board of C antrol whose assistance would be most valuable. Upon great questions of peace or war, the Secretary ( f State would of course summon his Cabinet, and take their opinions and advice. He would ask bow matters were conducted at the Board of Ad miralty ? He had been told that the experiment had been tried of conducting all the business by a board in stead of by the first lord ; but when they met they fell asleep. Sometimes one man did not agree with the first lord, and threatened to talk him out. (Laughter.) There was such a thing, he beieved, as t':e Treasury Beard ; he should like to know how often that board met. They might do so oceesi nally ; but he was told that it was not a real, consultative, deliberative board. If the Treasury did not require a board, why should the &ere tary of India require one? Surely, if anybody needed others to share his responsibility, the master of the Britisn dominions for the time being, the F rat L ird of the Treasury, must do so. It was certain that the S_cre tary of Stan for India never would derive from such a council as the bill proposed any 1 ght or knowledge that GOVERNMENT OF - INDIA BILL. he could net get from otheri, without the embarrassment The house went into committee on this bill. of a deliberative come 1. lle entreated the noble earl On clause seven, which refers to the constitution of (Darby) to reconsider this question, if there was any the Ceuncil, chance of doing so. It was perpetuating the worst part Lord BROUGH roiv said that this chose was of the of the old East India Company. The proposed council essence of the bil:. He rejoiced at the abolition cf the would be like the pheeeix, that East India C mipany, and thouelit that the proposition "Scared and shined, another and the same." to have a single Minister to adenieist r the government The Earl of DERBY raid that the noble lord had of India would be a good siuleititute f.r the present aye- made a very amusing speech, and if it had been made on tem. He codscted from the speech of his noble friend the second reading of the hill no one would have said a last night, that I• great cha,-tge had taken place in his word against it. • opinion, in reference io the appointment of a Ceuecii, and that he might mortify this clause il'he had to pro 1 ,;,e Lori B ROUG tITON—This clau3e is ab out the con iscil? the scheme again to the house. Tl,e present form of Too Earl of DE tt WI —li ; t they were now discus ,sing home Government was no doubt liable to eta miens of the bill clams by ciente, and it was contrary t, all order, which every man must he aware, on the ground of delay, up in a clause which constituted the council, to discuss and differences of opinion, between the authorities of everything relatirg to that coon il. This ..7as entirely bc- Cannon-row and Leadenhall-street. The -huts trey fi ed et le she geeetion, which was whether a council should he at each other, however, were sped from a distance, and established for the advice and assistance of the Secretary were cooled by tittle. But when this new Council was of State. The noble lord had raid that because the Tree formed what would be the degree of antagoni-m --and sury Board and the Board of Admiralty did not meet as antagonism there must be if the Council was to be of any boarde, there was no reason why the Secretary of good.—when they met under the same roof and at the State for India should have a Council to assist him. Bet same bosrd, and had to fire across the table ? (Laughter ) the Council proposed was upon a totally different fo Ming Unless some means could be devised for making this from any i f the boards ref mred to. The Secretary of Council, he would not eay a little more peaceable, but State would allot the business among the diligent mern at all events a little more practical, their lordships should , ben io such a manner as he thought most convenient ler not pass this &Loge. He was sure of that. He was op- the public service. Olean hear.) Special power was posed to acy Council at all ; but if he were for a Council given to the Secretary of State to divide the Council into it would not be for this Council, which was constructed committees for the despateli of business, and to obtain Ihe in a manner that was cal.:Mated to ensure the greatest asnimance and advice of the moetcempotent persons. Tee quantify of strife and difference of opinion. (Hear.) , questions of how the Council was to be constituted, what Some of the members were to be East Indian servant,— should be its duties, and so on, would be discussed on the some were to be chosen by the Crown, and some not. different clauses; but the question raised by the noble lord Be did not see hew the objection of the noble earl oppe- was—,hould the Secretary of State have a C iuncil at site (Eilenborouga) was to be got rid of, when it pleased all. It was true this was a main principle of the hill ; and G.od to remove any of the members, and the Council had if upon one question more than another there had been to be refreshed. The Secretary of State wool I probably a universal agreement in both houses, it was this—that be a parson who entertained some general principles of it was expedient that the Minister for India shoull be as governeeent, such principles as were likely to be enter- si-ted by suds a Council to a certain degree.. The bill of twined by a parson reared amongst the institutions of this the late Government proposed a Council c f eight mem country. But when he proposed some scheme to the bare, to serve for 10 years. By the bill introduced when council for the government of India, the member of the Lord Elieuborotigh was at the Board of Control ihe Coon- Council acquainted with Bengal would Fay, "This won't cil was to consist of 18 members ; they would of coarse do at all for Bengal ; I know more about Bengal than have divided their duties. But that the Secretary of State you." The members who were acquainted with Ma ras fur India should have the means of resorting, not unoffi and Bombay would say the same, and there would be ciaily but officially, to persons of great experience and the Secretary of State alone in the midst of these gen- knowledge on all subjects connected with India was a tlemen, every one of whom would be better accpeinted principle that had been adopted and laid down byalrnost with India than himself. (Hear, hear.) Those who were. a'l men cf any eminence who had been called on to die acquainted with the system of Indian government meet cues the question. lie wholly denied that this Council be aware that the great vice of Indian servants was that was a recurrence, or anything like a recurrence, to the of making what were called minutes—minutes which it double Government which had existed under the former took hours to read and days to write. (Laughter.) Sup- system. The evil of that double Government was this— pose a member of the Council to be in a minority, he that there were two separate ace! entirely distiect an ho would record Lie objections in a minute. He would not rities, each of which expre sad an independent opinion be satisfied, and would proceed thus. He would seek out —that these authorities were frequently brought into dome member of Parliament and say, "lam in a minim conflict or celasiou—and that it required voluminous eater in the Council on such a question ; most good men correspondence and a great deal of time to settle their Sis—(laughter)—the case is a good one ; I can kelp you differences and obtain their en ti re concurrence ant con if you like to make a speech. I (Laughter.) I wrote a sent. Here there wasnosucli doable Government,no such Enhance of my objections ; Mr. So-and-so says it is one of condict of authorities,. The Council was not an authority the cleverest he ever reed." (Laughter.) Tae member adverse to or competing with the Secretary of State. Its ' was ambitious—most m e mbers used to be, he did not duties were precise and limited ; they were limited, ex know if they were now—(laughter)—and he replied , ce p t in p arti cu l ar cases, to giving advice and opinion to e. Will you let me have it." The member of Council says the Secretary of State ; and that advice and opinion he "No, I cannot ; but it is a clever document, take my was at liberty to adopt or reject as he thought fit. There *word for it ; ask in your place for a copy.'' Toe Govern- was nothing to fetter or diminish in the slightest degree meet of the day would be obliged to say, "We cannot the responsibility which he owed to Parliament. He refuse this minute. Under a Parliamentary Government agreed with the noble lord that it was desirable in prac the opinions of the minority should be known at least, if tice that the aff sire of ladia should, as far as patih,e, cot acted upon." The document was produced, it was be withdra en from the weekly and daily discussion in read, it was cl ver ; it was submitted to Sir J. Graham, Parliament ; and the most probable way of doing that or some of those clever fellows in the house— (laughter) was to surround the Secretary of State with a body of —and be was asked what was to be done, for the case persons of eminence and distinction, of knowledge and was a hard one. He said, " Make a motion, and we will experience, to whom with regard to every question he see what we can do." A meeting of some 20 members had it in his powe r to a pp l y , not for authority, but f or took place in some house or other—it might be the advice and opinion ; and that advice and opinion would Crown and Anchor ; the posts were assigned to each— be given with a perfect knowledge of the subject. The "you are to bring forward this point, you this, and so principle of council or no council was all that was in- , on. Do not teatime the Governor-General, for he is my volved in this clause ; upon that principle rested the - friend ; butahuse the S oretary of State ; he is an un- main provisions of the bill ; and he trusted that their fair man, and he is not of our party ; abuse him." lordships would not reject a clause which had been (Laughter.) He could assure their lordships he was not almost unanimously agreed be by the other holme, and exaggerating what was a very possible case. He agreed a principle which had the sanction of every authority. with the noble lord opposite that this might not occur The Duke of SOMERSET said they might properly in the first Council. The first members would probably discuss the question of council or no council on the meet with general approbation, anl things would go on clause now before the committee. He denied that the . smoothly for a time ; but that would not continue—it scheme of a council had been approved by all parties. In could not continue. Did any one ever find 15 men in a the other le ute there had been every sort of opinion 39 room even at a party of pleasure who agree d a lto g ethe r? to the constitution of the council—how trey wer e to be (Laughter.) Ii out of the 15 there was one disagreeable app-tinted—how long th e y were to serve—and what man he would spoil the whole party. (Laughter.) That should be their duties. (Hear. ) It was proposed that happened in matters o f amusement . But what might be the council should meet weekly, or when summoned by she consequence if, when matters of government, when the Secretary of State, though he believed the latter the best interests of the country were depending on the power was now taken away. It was doubtful whether result? Wh a t was vu l garly but well called an " ill•coedi- they would see any of the de patches that came from boned" fellow got amongst the party.e(Elear.) The donee- India, and the Secretary of State might avoid having l uen " would probably be this. One member of the anything to do with them. He might give an order -Council would say, "Y ou cannot agree with me, I can- w hi c h might _lead to ve . a_ r ; but to obtain money he must ,not agree with y ou; no one can agree with that fellow, go to h is cou n cil, and how could he obtain money with iet us hand over the decision to the Secretary of State." out telling them what it was for ? (lle^ ) ' 'That must be the only mode of settlement, nothing dividing the council into committees wool 1 1 1.,e ' e r that es u . l a t c' of would be done, (Hear, hear.) These inconveniences c ommittee would be continual ly sending f-r information c Ho oh• were so entirely felt by the frame rs of this of a bill threspecting they its own department, as they might be called lad most judiciously deprived the Coun cil part of its powers, for they gave the Secretary of St: ta great on toadvise at the next m ee ting o f m e_ council. jetted to the provision which debarred t he members cf power to act without the Council in some cases, and by the Council from sitting in Parliament. Their mese u tile 25th clause they empowered him to act even against th ere m i g ht b e d es i r able on those occasions er bee sOrne That was wise a n d proper if independent the Council. (Hear , he a r.) member of the other house took up with there was to lie a Council at allde. The effects of a bad great zeal the cause of some native prince. Sapp° e that plan and a bad project might be got rid of by having no Sir Celia Campbell returned, as he hoped he would, and project or plan at all, The great objection made to the made a statement as to the creanisation of tee Indian existing western was what was called its double govern- arm, what weight would the members of the C-until—:t truant. Now, there was go double g overnment in the number of old men—have against such an a:1'1)01.ns , as present system, unless a man riding on horseback, with that ? He thought it would no a great con vfm ieuci if an old woman behind him, might be called a double they could get rid of this Conseil, and all the clau , e_: government. (Laughter.) 2 connected with it. (Hear, hear ) The House of Corn- The Earl of DERBY—Which vitae the old woman . mons had p asse d the bill with tree idea that they were making the Secretary et State responsible ; but when , Laughter.) was no I How could there be divided management which was Lord BROUGHTON—Not the noble earl, .certainly. ever he wanted money he was controlled by the Council. (Laughter.) Thi s s o called double government double government. But the double overnmena was the essence of the bill, without divided Fe ' n bilit ? brought back by this bill. One of the g great inconVe- The bill would work with much vigour s" ' '.Y greater if all toe niences t f the present system wa s said to be this, that clauses relating to the Co • tined were struck out. He Parliament could not interfer l ' would therefore move that this clause should be omitted ' of India as it could if th ere overnm ent eas mach in the g . fro m the one was a single responsili l© Minister. Now, be thought that one of the °meat net- i The Ea - 1 of ALBEMAItLE also objected _to th e "Boger/ of the present system was that it ''' ' Council, especially to its cenetitun prevented the t tonof what were called perpetual introduction of Indian questions in Parliament. l " Old Indians." These were men who had al wa y,, y (Hear.) That was his decided opieion. They could not 1 , in and out of Perliaeneut, declared that system w to a lie' govern India on these terms, especially with tbeincreased i pareation sc'lticle had c.xpl , 3ded its rebellion, He did Let IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS.—(YESTERDAY.) The.Lonu CHANCELLOR took his seat on the woolsack at 5 o'clock. Lord BELPER presented petitions from Atheretone, Sherborne, Darby, Glossop, Thropston, and Kirkby, in_ favour of the legalization of marriag e with a deceased wife's sister. The Duke of RICHMOND ph,sel:Vel a petition "from places in Aberdeen, against the fasio:‘ of the colleges as proposed in the Scotch Universities Bill, PRIVATE BUSINESS. On the motion of Lord REDESDALE the Manch:Niter South Junction and Altrincham Railway (No. 2) ; the Warrington and Stockport Railway ; Limerick and Caqtle Connell Railway bills were read a second time. The Hesketh Marsh, North Yorkshire and Cleveland Railway, Loudon and North-Western Railway (Addi tional Works). St. Leonard's (Shoreditch) Parish, and Stockton and Middlesborough, and Yarra Water Bills, were read a third time and passed. THE EX-KING OF OUDE. The Marquis of CLA.NRICARDE asked whether the statement by the President of the Board of Control in the House of Commons, that the ex-King of Otide was now a prisoner in Fort William, and was about to be brought to trial, was correctly stated. Earl DERBY said the answer given in the other house to the question was not altogether incorrectly re ported. The King of Oude, a prisoner of the East India Company, was now confined at Calcut`a, under suspicion of having promoted the revolt. Upon the result of the investigation—which would be a more correct term than criminal trial—as to how far he might be implicated in the revolt, would depend the nature of the measures to be adopted against him. CHESTER AND HOLYHEAD RAILWAY. This bill was read a third time after a few words from Lord COLCHESTER, who said the three companies bad Undertaken the contract for the conveyance of the mails to Dublin for a term of 14 years, and Lord BILDESDALZ who said he was not altogether satisfied that the rights of the public bad been sufficiently protected by this bill, but as the noble lord the Postmaqter-Gene ral bad moved the third reading he did not feel justified in opposing the measure. CONVOCATION. Lord REDESDALE moved for copies of the Acts of Convocation in the province of Canterbury at the session of the 29th of June, 1855, and 6th of Feb., 1857, so far as relates to any communication to be made to the Convocation of York, or the President of the same, to gether with the replies to such communication', or either of them. Also a copy of the Qleen's writ to the Crchbishop of York, directing the assembling of the onvocation of the province on the 10th of December la.t. The Bishop of RIPON said he had been appointed by the prelates of the province of York to offer some explanation on the subject to which the noble - . lord bad referred. He denied that any com munication had taken place between the prelates of the two provinces between June, 1855, and Feb., 1857. He had no objection also to the production of the Qoeen's writ, but he was at a loss to con ceive what object there was in view in obtaining its production. except that it was to raise the whole question as to how far the Archbishop of York was jus tified in the cour;e he had persevered in with respect to . the convocation at York. The Bishop of LONDON said the noble lord de manded papers that did not and never had existed. In the drawing up of the first part of the noble lord's mo • tion, although he did not believe such to be his intention, it appeared to cast a slur upon a right reverend prelate, who was pursuing his lab•inrs in a strictly correct man ner, and who had not departed in the aightest from numerous precedents which existed on the point. After a few words from the Bishops of Oxford, Carlisle, and Chichester, Lord REDESDA.LE withdrew his motion. REVISION OF THE LITURGY. Lord EBURY presented a petition from the laity in favour of a revi+ion of the Liturgy. The Medical Practitioner 4 Bill was read a second time. The Stipendiary MaglArates BLil was read a second time. Toe Copyhold Acts Amendment Bill was read a second time. The Titles to Land (Scotland) Bill, the Copyright of Designs Bill, and the Four Courts (Dublin) Extension BM were severally read a second time. The New General Post-office (Edinburgh) Bill went through committee. The Militia Ballots Suspension Bill was read a second time. S"ATURDAY EVENING, JULY 17 1 1858. altogether share in the panegyrics which had been b- between absolute adaaisaion and absolute e xc l us i on , h e pel, he re E d ar t l he ol la c tte tt i% RENDON wished to kn ow w h e th er stowed upon the Board of Di rec t or s ; but, at a ll even t s , they had not s e l ec t e d o ld I n di ans f or th e i r servan t s. s l d e e r b e e . Many years ago Lord Buckinghamehire found the direc• aednktoinugndweorn mmeim.obtebr who at the time of his appointment or elec tors could not write their despatchea, and it was at his t a i n o y n e it engagednp, as ipnetrreaodnisnagppoori appointed suggestion that the " examiners" had been appointed, by obliged g to give whom the government of India had ever since been vir- taryelf T ar o l r similar effigies were now compelled to do ? tuelly carried on. (Hear, hear.) What was an old Indian ? Tee of Derby replied they could not continue It was a person who had a great knowledge of a very any bu • si o ne l s d s requiring a degree of personal attention small locality, who knew very little about the rest of whichi nterf ere with the duties of their office, but India, and was altogether ignorant of European politics, he could w not u It was the very want of the Europern element in the because he was an t er m i i t merchant, or a great banker, government of India which bad led to our recent disas- or a sleep in gofiecartinAß n a great brewery. tern, The old Indians by whom affairs were conducted The Earl ENDON said the same rule ought had never been 50 miles oat of Calcutta in their lives, then to be ap plied to the offices be had men ti one d. and they thought the rest of the Indian people were lik e Th e Earl of ELLENBOROUGH thought that if they those docite creatures by whom they were surrounded, were to have Council enti rel y devoted to their duties, They had, therefore, madly attempted to strip the pro- they ought to retain no int erest w hi ch could possibly be prietors of the north-western provinces of their lands, affected by their o ffi cial acts. (Hear, hear.) and the country had had to deplore the result. For this The Ma rq uis .) of CL NE Ai. ICA.RDE believed it was a reason alone he (the noble earl) felt that he was fully fact that fou r • ' • million of supplies were now annuall y con. entitled to vote for the amendment. (Cheer?,) t rac t e d f or i n L on d on w hi c h cou ld b e more advant Lerd ONTE AGLE exclusion objected greatly to the M ously obtained in C a lcutta, but the obj ec t was age" keep of members of the council from Parliament. As- um i ng , up th e City influence. to - , what eertainly a great deal to a ll o w, that the coun- The Earl of ELLENBOROUGH was .-- said the Council . - hest men that could be selected, would have constantly to decide questions affecting the cell: re would all be ono .., the very success which attended the efforts to create a interest of every man engaged in trade, and they o ught good oug t good council would deprive Parliament of the 15 men to he above all suspicion. who vrould best be able to guide its deliberations on In- Earl GRANVILLE considered that when the salary dian affairs. (Hear.) Noble lords near hire seemed to was so much increased, the members might f a i r ly b e be so overcome by the difficulties they had to encounter, called on to devote themselves exclusively to their office. that they had actually been driven to recommend a eye. If the objection of his noble friend was valid, what be tem of despotism for the government of our Eastern em. came of that portion of his noble friend's own pl an w hi c h pire. The house must not suppose that the use of a proposed to have representatives of five great oommer board was merely to sit as a body. The business might cis' cities iki the oeuncili be distributed amongst its members, and in that manner Th e Duke of NE WCASTLE thou ght it would be best l it might be admirably performed. (Hear.) Besides, to have the members free from even the suspicion of they must remember that they were not dealing with a pecuniary advantage. department, but with a great empire ..and the compare. The Earl of ELLENBOROUGH said that the go sons which had been made had, therefore, no foundation vernment of India was essentially a government of re at all. What was now proposed by the noble duke was, cords, as had been remarked by a noble lord opposite, that one official should unite in his own person the func- who had been himself President of the Board of Control. tions of a financial, a war, a domestic, and a fareign Everything was reported home, and the documents minister. The idea seemed to him (Lord Monteagle) to passed through the various departments. He could be absurd. (Hear.) Tne noble earl had talked dispa- assure their lordships that if every member of the Council ragingly of old Indians ; but what was the complaint were to attend every day for four or five hours there they made against the company in 1833 ? Why, that it would be ample business for them to do. The great did not elect old Indians for its directors ; but (those to difficulty was to have all the details and records before confer the honour upon pity magnates, great bankers, them which were necessary, in order to arrive at a sound and gentlemen of that description. W hati would their conclusion. lordship not give to have an old Indian like Mount- (Here that portion of the ceiling fell in which is re stuart Elphinstone, or the late Sir Thomas Monroe ferred to in another column.) amongst them that evening t Let them, therefore, hear Earl GRANVILLE moved the insertion of the word s no more of the cry against old Indians. (Hear.) He "Nor hold or carry on any other business, trade, or confessed that he felt some alarm when he heard this new profession, from which any gain or profit may arise." doctrine of government by a Secretary of State. He was The Earl of HARD WICKE supported the clause as for a council—a council partly nominated and partly it stood. chosen by election. He saw otherwise no resource but After a short conversation the house divided, when a despotism, and the idea of a despotism drove him to there appeared— Parliamentary interference, which he was satisfied was For the amendment 35 fraught with still greater dangers to the peace and seen- Against 6O rely of our Indian possessions. (Hear.) Majority —2s Lord WODEHOUSE said the bill was neither more The clause was then agreed to, as were the clauses up nor less than aCo apromise between those who were for to 20. a controlling Council and those who were for an absolute Clauses 18 to 26 were agreed to with some verbal Minister. The clauses of the bill negatived each other amendments, on that principle. The practical result would be a bar- On clause 27, which relates to the sending out of secret ren ness of power e and that would lead to a want of power, despatches, which practically was the greatest evil that should be The Earl of ELLENBOROUGH said that it bad guarded against. In that counterbalance of power they arrays been the practice for these despatches to be com municated to three pe rsons — t h e c h a i rman o f t h e C ourt would nee have an efficient council nor an efficient Minister. of Directors, the deputy c h a i rman , an d one ot h er di rec - Lord STRATFORD DE REDCLIFFE was not pre- tor. He thought they oug ht a t l east to b e commun i cate d — pared to vote for the exclusion of the Council altogether, to one person. nor wai he, on the other hand, prepared to go to the full The Earl of DERBY p rom i se d th a t an a l terat i on to this effect ehonal be made in b r ingi ng u p th e re p or t. extent of the bill. With resp e ct to the number of the Council, ho thought that a Council of five or seven wool] Earl GRANVILLE did no t t hi n k t h a t any f urt h er e much more effective than so large a number. check was necessary, as on a ll i mpor t an t ma tt ers t h e e Indian Minster w arid c ,maeunicate with the C a bi ne t Lord ASHBURTON sail that the want of security that any particular line of policy on the part of the East of which he was a me m b er . The Duke of NEWCASTLE was in favour of the al- India Company would be permanently pursued had ope- teration proposed by Lord Ellenberough. rated very injuriously on the miudsof the naive princes The clause was agreed to, as was clause 23. and the people of India. As the Government had en croached continually upon the powers of the East India On claw© 29. Company, the company halfset themselves with all their Earl GRANVILLE sugges t e d th a t th e Governor hearts to recurs the services of the ablest men to aid General should retai n th e p ower o f appo i nt i ng hi s own there in maintaining their positioe, and hence the die - C ouncil. tinguiehed ability by which the servants of the India The Earl of ELLENBOROUGH sa id t h at w h at the Governor-General wan t e d was a representat i ve Council. Cerepanv had almost uniformly been characterised ; but he contended that when this new Ceuncil wasestabliehed The Earl of DERBY p rom i se d to re cons id er the a new department would be created difihring in no ma- question. tonal point from the Heme-office or any other public Clauses 30 and 31 were agree d t o . eepartment, and the abilities of its officials , conse- On clause 33, T he Bi s h o p o f OXFORD move d a prov i so vest i ng the qmnt'y, could not reasonably be expected, under the c i rc utne ances, to be superior to the abilities of the offi - right of nominati ng t o th e c h ap l a i nc i es i n I n di a i n cials of the Home-office, or of any other public depart - future alternat e ly i n th e S ecre t ary o f S tate f or I n di a and in the bishop of the diocese in which the chaplaincy meet now in existence. is situated, L era BEEPER, in de sues of the Council, said it The Earl of ELLENBOROUGH bore testimony to would be monstrous to entrust the whole affairs ot India the excellence of the clergy in India ; and he saw no to the Secretary of State—a single member who knew reason for altering the resent system, for he couldpl ace little or nothing practically of Indian affeers. He ap quite as mach confidence in a Secretary ef State as in th e proved of there beang a Council whom the Secretary was Board of Director , . bound to consult—men tf int , lli g ence and of practical The B shop of LONDON supported the amendment'. e xperience in India—but he would leave the ultimate deci In point of fact the clause as it stood created th e g rea t es t neon cf :natter) in the heeds of the Minister, checked by possible change, for it transferred to the Secretary of his responsibility to Parliamena and by the record of the minutes of members of the council who dissented State the appointment of all the chaplains, w h e r eas th e frein his ante. Government Lai never yet hal any such patronage. While anxious to respect the rights of our heathen fel- Esrl GR aNVILLE made some explanations in rela- low-subjects, he should be glad to see some recognition Lion to a firmer speech. He stated that altlecueh he of our ewn req ion in the present b per3ena'ly olij,cted to a council, he would nevertheless , 4 ' present ball. Tee Earl of DELLDY thought it would be bettor to advise his noble friend nut to press this matter to a divi- . pref_erve the present status of the Indian chaplains, - ion, and he would also advise the Govrnment not to 1 , ,..ame1y, as mere stipendiaries of the Indian G owernmt2nt. ,end hack the hilt to the other house with the c-,urt ..Areat,ino,mvaience had been felt, both at the F.feign oil, as it was a point of the highest importance that the and tee C olonial-office, from distant chaplains being de bill should be passed this session. on their bishop, and from there pen d ent . The Marques of CLAN RICARDE said he did not conflict of au-ilia-Nee doubt that the Secretary of S ate would be provided with ' ' The Bishop of OXFORD, in reply, said that in the an efficient staff, hut he thought the Government h a d cases re ferred to the chaplains were dependent not on not snfficiently informed the house as to what they cx- bishop: upon the spot, but on a bishop in this country. pecte I would ba the result of the working of the arrange- He dal not see, therefore, that there was any ground for meet. He could not expect that it would long last on the argument of the noble earl. its pre=cut footing, but in order to make it last a little Tile amendment was nevertheless not persisted in, and lo nger he shoal) move to insert in the clause the words the clause was agreed to. not more than," which would make 15 the maximum, V reported • The CHAIRAN then and allow the council to be reduced as vacancies occurred. bills were advanced a The Earl of DE R,BY said teat the number of 15 hal half past 12. been proposed by the Government simply because they were assured that that was the smallest. number that cenld execute the functions that would devolve upon it. If the amendment of the noble mart - pis were adopted it would utterly prevent any subsequent modification of the arrangement. It would be far better to leave the met ter to the future deliberation of Parliament, for which there was a provisi on, and he hoped the noble marquis wool 1 not persist in an opposition which was really directed as much ag-ainst the measure of the Govern ment of which he was a member as against that under consideration. The amendment was negatived without a division, and the clause agreed to. On clause 8, relative to the nominative members, The Earl of ELLENBOROUGH observed that the average ace of the members of the council would be 60 years, making 900 years for the whole. He did not see why men five or six years older should not be elected by them, as the past directors of the company would be. He heard there was an advantage in putting wine in a cellar for five or six pare, but he did not think the principle applied in the case of an old man being put on the shelf, with a view to his returning to business, The clause was agreed to. On clause 9, Tie Earl of DERBY said he should be willing to in troduce a clause into the bill for the purpose of main taining the balance between the elective and nominative members. The clause was agreed to. On claws 10, Tee Earl of SHAFTESBURY moved an amendment to the effect that the members of council should not only be men of Indian exnerience, but that they should have returned from India during the last ten years. The clause was agreed to. Oa clause 11 being proposed, The Earl of ELLENBOROUGH objected to the clause, as it appointed gentlemen to the Council for life. 'The effect of this would be, that not one of these gentle men would resign at the end of ten years, at which period the members of the Council were entitled to pensions, for the purpose of inducing any one of them who bad be come incapable to resign, but he was sure that rot one of them would resign at the end of ten wears. (A laugh.) He therefore suggested that the period should be five years when those gentlemen could reign. The Earl of DERBY said it was usual to appoint gentlemen to political offices during good behaviour, and be thought that, practically, a gentleman entitled to re sign upon a pension at the end of a given period would be induced to do so if he found himself incapable for the performance of his duties. ROUSE OF COM NI.ONS—( VESTERDAY.) Tile SPEAKER took the chair shortly after 12 o'clock. PRIVATE BUSINESS. Davidson's Estate Bill was read a second time. The Lords' ainvadm , nts to the following private bills were considered and agreed to :—Birkenhead Improve ment Commissioners (Gas and Water) Bill ; Oxford, Worcester, and Wolverhampton Railway Bill, and Windsor New R lad Bill. CORRUPT PRACTICES PREVENTION ACT CONTINUANCE BILL. The house went into committee on this bill, resumi ng the consideration of clause 1 relative to the payment by the candidate of the travelling expenses of the voter. A lengthened discussion ensued, in which the argu ments urged yesterday were again repeated. Mr. K. HUG ESSEN suggested the fallowing pro viso :—Provided always, that such payments shall not exceed one shilling F:r mile to every such voter for any distance less than ten miles, and sixpence per mile for every additional mile : Provided also, that if the dis tance to be travelled by any such voter exceed ton miles, and there be available railway accommodation, the payments for travelling expenses shall not exceed the maximum rate cf fare chargeable on such railway for such distance. Mr. WALPOLE repeated what he said yesterday, pass hpeatyween for conveyances, the candidates that he was ready to incorprate in his bill th e prov i so a the hon. member for the Tower Hamle (Mr. Ayr tbouat that).T and the voter=.Tae conamittea divided upon Mr. Ayrton' e p rov i so : 'For the proviso The candidates a o n ne j y t t e should jgt 145 Against it., 39 Majority —lo6 Mr. AVlTON'Sproviso thus became the origieal reso lution, and bad to be put again from the chair. The question of its adoption led to another division, when the numbers were -7 For the resolution 133 Against it Majority The resolution was thus carried. On the motion of Mr. WALPOLE, the following proviso was added :—" Provided al ways that a full, true, and particular account of all such payments, signed by the candidate or his agents, shall be delivered to the election auditor, with the names and addresses of the persowto whom such payments have been made, and the amount of such account shall be included in the general account of the expenses incurred at any election, to be made out and kept by such election auditor." Mr. O:3BORNE said there appeared considerable doubt on the nature of a vote. One gentleman looked upon it as a right, another regarded it as a privilege, a third viewed it as a trust. For his own part, he looked upon it as a perquisite. (Laughter.) He thought that candidates should not be called upon to pay anything out of their own pockets f elections, and he should therefore move as an addition to the clause that the candidate should be reimbursed for his expenses out of the coanty, city, or borough rate, as the case might be, on which the voter's name appeared on the register. Sir J. GRAHAM considered tha , this chase would convert the bill into a taxing measure—that it would be a money bill, and that it could not be put. Mr. FITZROY decided that it only provided for ex penses out of local rates, and therefore was not a taxing clause. Mr. OSBORNE having withdrawn his amendment, it became the duty of the chairman to put tea questio❑ that clause 1, as amended, stand part of the bill. E trl GRANVILLE supported the suggeetion of the coble earl opposite (the Earl of 14.:11enhoreugh). After a few words from Lord DENMAN, the clause was agreed to. On clause 12 being proposed, The Earl of SH A F rEsBuRY said that if they passed this clause by which persons who were to be appointed members of the Council would he excluded from seats in most efficien s t ir p e er . so c n a s ni f p ro b m en tlie wb C o ou n n o cil. ul L d o b r e d Parliameut, th e y wou ld pract i cally exclude some o f t h e r p a a is i e b d " t 4 o je t ' he peerag e — an d such like persons, would be doubt ßy w i o t ineLgible to seats at the Council. He begge,d, therefore, to propose that three of the members should be eligible to seats in Phrliarneut. Th e Duke of NEWCASTLE hoped the noble earl at the head of the Government would concede the priccip e of his noble friend's amendment, far if they did not they wo uld shut out from the C o uncil some of the very best m en th a t could be selec t e d for tha t body, as able and intelli ger upon i t c rn i p e t h a a f t te ti r w their returnpoaudsinag their lives i n I n di a, b ad a great desire apply p o lmy threebe iin P w a o r t l i i l a ti m: p n p t l . y Why, toa then, should such persons be declared to be ineligib'e to sit on the C)ucil to be formed under this bile ? Th e p and he really thought t hat all the metn lhaer;se o r f n throe e ' Council ought to ho eligible to se a t s i n l' ar- Itarnc,nt. After a few words from the Dake of AIAUL BOTIOUGA, The Eta of ELLENBOROUGII exdressed a hop e that the noble earl at the bead of the Government would adhere to the clause as it mood, and he believed that the proposed ahem. ion would lead to great inconvenience. Rid GRANVILLE thought they ought to know whether the members cf Council were to give up the cvhole of their time to the business of their office. 'fee Earl of DERBY said the intention of the Govern ment was that these gentlemen should not, be dillettanti members of the Council, but shctrld give adequate time to their duties, and consider those duties to be the first and primary object. As to the clan e in question, the question really was between absolute admission and absolute exclusion. It had been very fully discussed in the other house, and the argument wAela carried matt weight e as, that if those gentlemen we: e allowed to sit in Par Lament, great f .cilities would be given for ministerial col tu7tion. Ni limitation as to nueetier Rza poesible, and having, therefore, to chorise The committee divided— For the clause ........................... 125 Against it ................................. 63 Majority. ......................... —57 The clause cv,:s agreed to, On clause 2. Mr. WALPOLE proposed that no election auditor for any single deet:on should receive more than 201. in fees and camna!ssions. M r. E o G f ? The clause, with this proviso, was agr e ed to. Clauses 3 and 4 were agreed to, and the bill passed through committee. l th ll e T following o clause Fur b e tt er secur i ng , far Mr. MACAULAY, mov e d th e addition to returning officers the expenses incurred by them in taking p u ll s a t e l ec ti o ns, be it enacted, That the per s ons proposing at y candidate shall be jointly liable with such candidate for the payment by flint to the returning offi cer of an equal share of the said expenses." Trio committee divided. The numbers were— For the clause . .................. 144 Against It Majority --110 The clause was added to the bill. The house resumed, the other orders were disposed of, and the house suspended its sittings at 4 o'clock. The house resumed at 6 o'clock. THE PRAYER BOOK. C, HAMILTON, o , Auptrofler of the Household, appeared at the bar of the house with her Majesty's gracious answer relative to an address with reference to the discontinuance of the service on the 512 November, the 31st ',of January, and the 29th of May, stating that it should receive the careful consideration which its im portance demanded. sidered this the beginning of a new system, Wand he denied that it was the climax of religious freedom. They committed great error in repealing the Test Act, but that having been done it had been found impossible to resist changes and alterations, and it ever would be so. It was useless now to discuss the question whether they would have the Jew amongst them or not, on religious or irre'igious grounds. That bad been decided, and as this was a bill that was least likely to create disturbance, he should support the second reading of the bill. (Divide.) Mr. DILLWYN contended the House of Commons would have been justified in seating Baron Rothschild by resolution. (Hear, hear, and divide.) He thought the measure urratisfactory and objectionable. IR would net admit the Jew unless they passed another bill for that purpose, viz., the Oaths Bill. He should, however, sup port the reading, to get over a practical difficulty, but he by no means considered it an effectual measure. (Hear, hear, and divide.) If a Jew were properly qua lified that house bad no right to say he should not sit in that house. Mr. Secretary WALPOLE said that whatever might be the measure Parliament might pass, if any hon. mem ber apprehended evil would come from it it was their duty, in whatever minority they might be, to record their opinions. (Hear, hear.) He would not discuss the principle of the question again, but he begged to state that he had seen no reason to change his opinion, even although this bill might be supported by those for whom he entertained sincere respect ; and he could not sup port the second reading of the bill. He thought it would have been better for the House of Lords to have frankly passed the Oaths Bill instead of adopting this patch work legislation, and which would not lead to a perma nent settlement of the question. After some farther re marks, the right hon. gentleman said he protested strongly against this mode of legislation—(hear, hear) — which destroyed generality of legislation. Lord PALMERS TON expressed his dissatisfaction at the mode of legislation, but he supported the bill on the ground of expediency and the justice of admitting Jews to Parliament. He was content to receive the bill as the first instalment of a complete measure. (Hear, hear.) He could not doubt that the House of Lords, after having passed this bill. would on a future day refuse to pass a complete bill. (Hear, b7ar, and divide.) Mr. MALINS, amidst loud cries of " Divide," expressed his regret the House of Lo r d s h a d no t d ec id e d the ques tion on general grounds, and allow a Jew to be a member of both houses. The house then divided. The numbers were— For the second reading ~ 156 Against it Majority infavour of the second reading— —9l The bill was then declared to bo read a second time, and was ordered to bo committed on Monday. SUPPLY. The report of supply was brought up. On the vote for 1,0001. to defray the salary of the Chief Clerk of the Registry or Sasines in Scotland, Mr. CRAWFORD moved the omission of the vote. He thought that one officer would suffice for the duties of the department, and thought that the public interests would not suffer by the rejection of the vote. Mr. G. A. HAMILTON said that when they came into office they found the gentleman against whom the motion of the hon. gentleman was directed in office. He was ac knowledged to be most efficient, and the office was consi dered to be one that ought to be filled ; he thought, there fore, the hon. gentleman was scarcely justified in propos ing so sweeping a resolution. Mr. WILSON said it was the intention of the late Go vernment to have added new duties to those already de volving on these departments ; and if that intention were carried out, ho had no doubt that the two officers at the head of them would amply deserve the salaries allotted to them. After a few words from Sir W. Dunbar, Mr. Cain], and Mr. Bovill. Mr. CRAWFORD withdrew his amendment, and the resolution was withdrawn. THE REPORT OF PUBLIC MONEYS COMMITTEE. On the motion for going into committee of ways and means, Sir P. BARING directed attention to the above report, and complained that the late Government had not acted. During the discussion of the India Bill it struck him the question of deposit had become one of considerable impor tance with reference to the Indian revenues. All the transactions of the Pay-office were not generaly known to the public, an 1 the last vote the house had agreed to was a remarkable instance—a portion of the money for the Duke of Wellington's funeral having remained in the Pay-office up to the last few mouths, and the recommendation of the committee in reference to the Pay-office ought to be car ried out. With regard to the Audit-office, he admitted that it was a very efficient board, but there were portions of the civil service estimates amounting to two millions that they did not audit, but were audited in their own department ; and he hoped the recommendation of the committee in this respect would not be passcei over. The audit under the Ap propriation Act was not under the same audit as other de partments, and the public did not know if the money voted for certain things were spent on them. The committee re commended an efficient check to ascertain if the money was properly expended. The question was, where the check was to take place. That for the Admiralty took place at the Admiralty ; but there was some difficulty where the civil service check should take place. The right hon. baro net having referred to the recommendation for the appoint ment of a select committee each soesion to chock the ex penditure, expressed an opinion that if the committee was appointed great benefit would result therefrom. Mr. B )WYER said the public moneys committee did not produce the results that were expected from it. Unless the Exchequer a control over the expen diture of the Treasury the public supervision of the ac counts was defective. He hopcd the Government would carry out the recommendation of the committed. Sir G. C. LE WIN said that with regard to the Paymas ter's-office the practice now existing in that office and at the time of the war was the same that had prevailed from the passing of the act. With regard to the gross land re venues, it was a question that involved large interests,and would affect future Sovareignr, so it was not that simple question many imagined. There was nn concealment in the matter, because a copious and detailed report of the gross income and expenditure of the land revenues was laid every year on the table of the house. Mr. A. SMITH said there was concealment, because the accounts of the land revetmes were not laid at the pro per time before the house. The house had voted the ex pense of this year before receiving the expenditure of last year. Ho maintained that the country had over and over again purchased these land revenues by the large sums they had in several reigns contributed to meet the defi ciencies which the crown lands would not supply. He con tended these revenues ought to be paid into the excises Tv r and treated like other branches of the revenue. - . efr. W. WILLIAMS said that if estimates were sub mitted to the house like the other departments, a great saving would be effected. The house ought to exercise a control over them, for her Majesty had no right to them. He hoped the house would take the matter hito their con sideration, and produce estimates in reference to them. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said the house laboured under a great misconception if it indulged in the belief that her Majesty's present Governmen treated the investigation of the committee with neglect. It would, however, be unable to carry out the regulation of the Trea sury minute founded on the recommendation of the com mittee without legislation by both Houses of Par liament. Her Majesty's Government had not yet had an opportunity of carrying the recommendations into effect, from the press of 'other public business, In dependent audit her Majesty's Government considered of great importance, and they had a measure in contempla tion on the subject. It was a question that required grave consideration, and could not be lightly or hastily passed over. At the right time her Majesty's Government would be prepared to submit a measure to the house in reference to carrying out the recommendations of the committee. He differed from the open expression in reference to the Crown lands, but he expressed an opinion that the agreement that was entered into with the Crown was not disadvantageous to the public, and it was not desirable that they should carp and cavil at a con tract that had been entered into, and, as he believed, satisfactory to the country. The motion was then agreed to. WAYS AND ME ANS. The sums of 11,265,000/. and 4,700,000/., for the public service, were agreed to in Committee of Ways and Means. The house resumed. CLERK OF PETTY SESSIONS, &c. (IRELAND) BILL. This bill passed through committee. CHELSEA-BRIDGE ACT AMENDMENT BILL. On the motion for going into committee on this bill, Mr. BENTINCK rose to object to the bill. The bill was opposed to principle, and perpetrated a breach of public faith. Mr. CONINGHAM regretted the bill did not go fur ther, and throw the bridge open altogether. The house then went into committee. On clause 3, _ _ Sir J. SHELLEY proposed in line 14, after " the" leave out down to " aforesaid" inclusive, and insert " passing of this act." The effect of tho amen Iment was to declare, that after the passing of this act tolls would no longer be levi able on foot passengers crossing Chelsea-bridge. There was not the slightest doubt that the remission of the tolls would enormously enhance the value of the Government land in the vicinity. 340,090/. had been expended in the formation of a park at Battearsea, but no sooner was the park formed than a toll was placed on the bridge conducting to it, which amounted to a practical exclusion of the working classes from the park, After a few words from Mr. O'BRIEN in opposition to the motion, Mr. B. STANHOPE objected to the motion, and said that if the proposal of the hon. baronet were acceded to, the necessary consequence would be that the House of Commons would never again be got to authorise an ad vance of public money for local purposes. Lord J. MANNERS said that if ho could have come to the conclusion that the abolition of the tolls on Chelsea Bridge violated no breach of public faith, no one would be more ready than he was to consent to their abolition. However, Parliament in its wisdom having laid down cer tain conditions when the money for the formation of the bridge was advanced, ho must reluctantly vote against the motion of his hon. friend. Argument on the question there could be none, as he believed it was beyond dispute that the imposition of the toll on the bridge precluded the poorest class of the community from taking advantage of Battersea-park. Mr. CONINGHA.M and Mr. "WILLIAMS supported the amendment, _ _ . . _ -- 111r.TCoaE contended that the principle laid. down by the First Commissioner of Works was the most,uepxoitlrait ordinary he had over heard. They might depend that no one would offer a shilling advance for land near Battersea-park unless that toll were removed oft the bi ,) t idg h e. 6 The question at issue, therefore, was as interesting. t public at large as to the community in the •aeighbouthood of Battersea-park. The committee divided— For the amendment.... ............. 4l Against it .................... . . Maj.irite ........ Mr. B. STANHOPE, .... amendment, the effect o f w hi ch, Wonld be to require the in Pago -1; line .9, proposed an repayment of the i n t erest ,lue on the loan advanced by Government for th e f orm,ation of the bridge and the al ,- preaches thereto. L , ord , j. M ANNER :4 opposed the amendment. u OLLINS an , !.. Mr BE . NTINCK supported it. The cornmitte,, divided— For the amendment Againatit --- 71 Major Major SIBIIIORP then ity proposed an amendment, the of of whi c h was that no tolls shall be levied on foot passengers crossing the bridge on Sundays. Lord J. MANNERS would consent to the adoption of that amendment. (Cheers.) But he must remind the hetue that the consequence of its adoption would be to postpone for a very long time the throwing open of th bridge. The bill then passed through committee. INCLOSURE OF LANDS BILL. - - This bill passed through committee. - As the house was in no humour to listen to the subject ho moved the adjournment of the debate, and the house divided— For the adjournment l7 Against it Majority --92 Mr. BRISCOE then moved that the committee be act. ourned to . Monday— For the motion.. Against it . 20 92 -72 Majority The bill was then postponed. The Ecclesiastical Jurisdiction Continuance Bill, the Turnpike Trusts Arrangement Bill, the Copyhold and In closure Commission Bill, the indemnity Bill, and the Army Service Bill were read a third time and passed. PURIFICATION OF THE THAMES. The house resolved itself into committee, and a resolu tion authorising the guarantee for the money to be raised for puri fying the Thames was passed. The Friendly Societies' Act Amendment Bill and the Reformatory Schools (Ireland) Bill were read a third time and passed. The house adjourned at two o'clock. Country Markets, LIVERPOOL, JULY 16. Though we bad a poor attendance of town and country millers at our corn exchange this morning, the business was of moderate extent generally. The common kinds of American " oaty " wheat were put down in price ld to 2d , er bushel. The higher qualities were considered not to be reduce in value. Indian corn very firm for feeding descriptions. Oats and oatmeal both strong. Beans and peas having improved so much the last f or t n i g ht, scarce ly supported former rates. SUPERANNUATION BILL In reply to a question from Mr. WILSON, The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he declined to state the course he should pursue with re ference to this bill, as it must depend on the state of public business. He fixed Tuesday next for the motion of the hon. and learned member for Sheffield, relativeto the Hudson's Bay Company, and the hon. member for London, relative to the destruction of property belong ing to British merchants in the Gulf of Bothnia during the late war. THE BILLETING SYSTEM. General CODRINGTON asked the Secretary of State for War whether the Government intended to take any steps foi the purpose of carrying out the recommen dations of the select committee on the billeting system ? General PEEL said it was not their intention to make any alteration this session. He would, however, take care to render the system as little inconvenient as pos sible during its continuanoe. THE TURKISH MEDALS. Mr. OSBORNE inquired of the Secretary of State for War when the medal promised by the Turkish Govern ment was likely to be distributed to the officers and men who served in the Crimean campaign ? General PEEL said the delay had arisen from the number, 951,000, that had to be supplied. As soon as her Majesty's Government received them from Turkey, they should be distributed without loss of time. _ SLAVE TRADE. On the motion for adjournment till Monday, Mr. HUTT gave notice that early next session he should submit a motion relative to the slave trade. DUBLIN METROPOLITAN POLICE. Mr. COGAN moved for a copy of all letters and re ports of Colonel Brown and Mr. O'Ferrall to the Irish Government in December and January last, in reference to the organisation of the Dublin Metropolitan Police. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL for IRELAND en tered into an explanation on the subject. He said no correspendere o had passed between these parties and the Government. They had only each sent in a report. He thought it would be injury to the service to produce them. After some discussion, in which Mr. J. D. Fitzgerald, Lord Naas, and Mr. P. O'Brien took part, the subject dropped. ST. BERNARD'S REFORMATORY. Mr. SPOONER asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether he had made any inquiry into a statement which appeared is the public papers, relative to a feast having been given to the convict chil- dren in the St. Bernard's Reformatory, and what has been the answer to such inquiry; whether the Reforma tory at St. Bernard's receives public grants on account of such convicts ; whether other children not convicts are received at St. Bernard's ; and if so, whether the convicts associate with such children ? If the Secretary of State will lay on the table of tho house a return of the names of such convicts, where they were convicted, and whether the parents of such convicts have contributed towards the maintenance of their children in that Refor matory, and to what amount ? Mr. WALPOLE said there would be no objecion to Produce the return asked for. As soon as his attention was called to the feast accompanied with a dress ball, given to the children, that appeared in the public papers, he caused inquiries to be made, and the result wai that an assurance had been given to him that such an oc currence sh,uld not be repeated. The Reformatory re ceived public grants, and children not criminals were in the Reformatory. The return would give the honourable member all the informvian he required. SALE OF POISONS BILL. Mr. WALPOLE announced his intention to with draw this bill this session. THE LADIJS' GALLERY. Major EDWARDS moved that the temporary experi mental alteration in the central compArtment of the ladies' gallery, wktla some ina material modification, hating been generally a?proved, a similar change shouli be made in the side compartments, and the whole permanently c mpleted udder the superintendence of Sir Charles Barry. The SPEAKER informed the gallant member he could not then move a resolution. Major ED WARDS then put it in the shape of a ques tion. Mr. MALINS said the alterations that had already bean made in the ladles' gallery were forthe worse and be hoped they would not be extended as a s k e d. 11% be lieved the only inconvenience the ladies had suffered arose from the seats being too narrow fir the prevailing ,5.Z.3 of the dresses. (Laughter.) Mr. CLAY suggested that a committee had better be appiinted to examine the only evidence who cauld give an opinion on the subject. The subject then dropped. EPPING FOREST. Mr. HANBURY asked the First Commissioner of Works whether he was aware that some of the Crown rights Of Epping Forest which were nearest to London and most frequented, had been sold by the Government (luring the la3t few months; and called the attention of the house to the importance of securing the yet nnencloeed portion; of Epping Forest for the recreation of the in habitanti of the metropo:iv. Mr. ti A.NmiroN raid the question should have been addressed to him. He would make inquiry, and give an answer on a future day. EXPENSES IN CRIMINAL PROSECUTIONS. Mr. PHILLIPS called the attention of her 'Majesty's Government to the expediency of an early settlement of the scale of expenses allowed in connection with criminal prosecutions. THE JEW BILL. Lord J. RUSSELL moved the second reading of this bill. Mr. NEWDEGATE rose with the deepest regret to oppose the progress of a measure which had received the sanction of the vote if not received the approval of the judgment, of the noble earl at the bead of the Govern ment. Atter the many repeated assurances be bad re ceived that he could sufficiently rely upon the deter mination of the noble earl at the head of the Govern ment to oppose the passing of the bill, it was with the greatest grief and surprise that he had seen the noble earl alter his determination, the more especially as there was no occasion for his doing so. (Rear, hear.) He did not believe that the bill represented the opinions of the people of England on the question ; and he deeply regretted that the noble earl had not recommended to her Majesty to appeal to her faithful subjects and as certain their feoliegs with respect to the admission of the Jews to Parliament. He deprecated the bill astending to destroy the Christian character of the Legislature, and as being founded on a principle entirely n e w t o their proceedings, on a principle calculated to overturn the constitution of Parliament. The bill was no settle ment of this much-vexed question, while it mu-t in the end utterly destroy the constitution of the country. Mr. SPOONER, in opposing the motion, held the bill to be a complete abandonment of the principle upon which the constitution of the country rested.. He declared the measure had been brought forward without necessity, and merely to pAder to the demands of party politics. Ex• pediency had done more to weaken the constitution of England than the strongest attacks ever directly levelled at it. He regarded the course taken by s ome gen t l emen on that side of the house with respect to this measure as a great dereliction ('f duty, and as calculated very much to weaken the confidenoe of the country in Lord Derby's Government. (Hear, hear.) Mr. BENTINCK believed that they could not destroy the Christian character of the house without impairing its influence in:the country. There was neither a ques tion of civil nor religious liberty mixed up with the agi tation upon the admission of Jews to the Legislature. Hitherto the only result accruing from their agitation on the subject had been to return the noble lord opposite for the City of London, instead of for some small borough, Hence he regarded the passing of this bill as moat lower ing to the character of Parliament. Since '46, when so many statesmen removed their principles, so gross an act of political tergiversation on the part of public men had not been witnessed. Indeed, the present conduct was the more degraded, for then the question at issue had simply relation to commercial considerations, now they were seen yielding up long-cherished religious convictions. He expressed his sincere regret at the position the clues- Men was now in, especially as the people who were op posed to the introduction of the Jews to Parliament were not properly represented in that house. (Rear.) The conduct of the other house in reference to this ques tion would suffer much in the estimation of the people. (Hear, and " Divide.") Mr. ADAMS was not surprised the noble lord the member fir London had not recommended the second reading of the bill in a long speech, because he did not think it was cud] a one as the noble lord would have in troduced, but from a feeling of necessity he bad consented to conduct it through the house. His objection was not PO much to the prevention of the Jews to have seats in Parliament as the principle of the form in which it had been presented to the House of Commons. He denied that this was a compromise. A man who was fit to sit in the li,use of Commons was fit to have a seat in the House of Lords, and he regretted the other house should have adopted this bill, and rejected the other. He thought it would have been more graceful in the other branch of the Legislature if they had conceded the first bill, instead of passing the bill now before the House of Commons. Ties admission of the Jews into the House of Commons had been conceded by the House of Lords in a most offensive manner. Lord J. RUSSELL said it was unnecessary for him to go over t're arguments that had been used against the admission of jaws to Parliament. (Hear, hear.) He said that if he had been compelled to submit a resolu tion to the attention of the house for the seating of Baron Rothschild, he should have done it in a full belief that it was according to the law, but they would be pre vcnt,d from entering on that point if this bill were passed. The bill had been sent there from the House of Lords for their concurrence, and according to established precedent he had introduced the bill for that purpose. (Hear, hear.) He conceived the conduct of the House of Lords had not been the most gracious, but considering the difficulties of the question he considered the best course f tr the house to pursue was to accept the bill. Although this was a bill he could not have proposed, he was glad to accept it as a mode of escape from the diffi colty in which they were placed, and that was why he recommended the bill for a second reading. He believed it would provide a practical solution of the difficulty. With reference to the position of the Jew to the House of Lords, the noble lord said that if her Majesty con ferred a peerage on a Jew he shou'd have no misgiving as to the result. A diffeeence of opinion might then be found to exist in the House of Lords, for they found the sons of peers were in many instances wiser than their fatLere. (hear, hear, and laughter.) He at_ked the house to real the bid a second time, Mr. 11. DRUMMOND aireed with those who eon• WAKEFIELD-JULY 16. There was a fair quantity of wheat presented, and prices receded about is psr qr. from Friday last. Millers ope rated with caution. Barley, beans, and other articles re main firm. AVERAGES FOR THE WERE ENDING JULY 12, 1858. Wheat 3716 quarters, at 45s 5d Barley — ~ s Od Oats 2O ~ 26s Od Beans 42 PP 42s 54d Peas . . — op — 6 ocl EXETER-JULY 16. COM—Wheat, 5s 9d to 6s ; barley, 3s 6d to 4s 6d ; grinding do., Os Od to Os Od. O a t s , S s Od t o 3 a 6d. Beans, Os Od to 0 Od. Peas, 00s Od to 00s Od. FLOM—Fine, 33s Od to —a Od; seconds, 31s Od to —I Od per sack. CATTLE. —There was a large supply of bullocks. Best beef, from Os Od to lOs Od per score ; inferior, 7s to 8s per score; fat calves, 5d to 5d per lb ; barrenners, 63 Gd to 74 Gd. per score ; cows and calves, 11/. to 161. Ls ; butchers' calves, Od to 7d per lb., rearing calves —s to —s each; sheep, ewes and lambs, 2/. 5s to 21.15 s per couple; ewes, 51 to Nd. ; wethers, 51d 6d; lambs, qd told per lb. Pie, large size, —s to —s; second size, —s to —s ; slips, —$ to —s ; suckers, —s to —s. Rough fat, 4d pet lb• Pork carcases from 8s Gd to 9s Od per score. LOUTH—JULY 14. A moderate supply of English wheat, which met a dull sale at a decline of is per qr. Oats and other articles had a downward tendency. Wheat, red, 39s to 42s ' • mixed, —s ; white, 47EG barley 32s to 36s ; oats 24s to 27s ; beans, 40s to 445. CORK—JULY 13. A thin attendance, and transactions limited. Wheat, white Barley, grinding —s to —s Oats 14s to 17s Beans —s to s Peas —a to —s DERBY SMITHFIELD.-JULY 13. Our market was well supplied with fat beasts to•day • with a full attendance of buyers, but the demand was flat compared with the extra supply brought to the market through the scarcity of keep; sales slow, and a consider able number driven away unsold. Sheep and lambs 'very' numerous. Fat calves plentiful, and a heavy sale. A good show of fat pigs. The folloviinTg were the quotations :—Beef, 61d to 6d; mutton, 6d to bid ; lamb, '7 ; (1 to 3d ; veal, 6d tc —d per lb. ; pork, 5d to —d per lb ; rough fat, 4s 8d to Os per 141 b.; hides, 2id to 3d per lb ; calf-skins, 4d to 5A per lb. BRISTOL SUGAR—JULY 16. The market is still very quiet, and parcels on the spot are difficult of sale, even at a further concession in prices. For floating cargoes, however, there is rather more in quiry, and about 6,0 0 boxes Havanahs have been dis posed of since onr last, chiefly from 26s 6d to 27s 6,1., for Nos. 11 and 12. Refiners' produce sells pretty steady, at about former rates. Rum is still very dull, but prices are not lower. .-JULY 16. the close of the market Walsend s Am a d. Belmont ~ 14 g Etra,cldyll .... S L 15 6 Hamall 17 6 Fletton l7 6 South Hotton 17 0 htheliffe 15 0 Elengb Hall 15 0 unwiek l4 0 South Kelloe 16 6 Tees l7 6 Brown's Moor Haigh Main 14 S Whitworth l4 3 Nixon's Duffryn, 21 0 73—Sold, 50. COAL MARK: Prices of Coals per ton a s d Benton West Hartley.l4 Davison's West Hartley 15 0 Htl'pool West Hartley 14 6 Haswell Gas 13 Howard's West Hartley Netherton 15 0 North Percy Hartley l4 0, Tanfield Moor l3 9 Tanfield Moor Butes 13 Walker Primrose l2 9 Wylam Wallsend, 3ze. - - Benson 14 9 Gosforth l4 3 Riddell l4 3 Ships at market, COURSE OF EXCHANGE.-YASTERDAY. Amsterdam.. •• 11 151 Gibraltar •• •• •••• Ditto, three months .. 11 17% Leghorn 29 75 "Rotterdam ............ 11 17% Genoa Antwerp •• •• •• •• •• •• •• 25 37% an .. 1.11 l • •• •• •• •• • •• -- Brussels •••••••••••• •• 25 37 V ••• enice •• •• •• •••• aamburgh .• •• •• •• •••• 13 6% Naples . •••••• • •••••• 41% Altos •• •• •• •• •• •• •• •• •• Palermo .• •• •••••• •• 124% Paris ••••• • • • •••• • • 04 25 10 Messina Do. three months .... 25 35 Lisbon Marseilles •• •• •• •• •• 25 35 Oporto •• •• •• •• •.. • ..... 52% Bourdeaux •• •• •• •• •• Ire • • Iltio Janeiro 0 0000 •••• • • • Frankfort-on-Maine .... 1181% 'Buenos Ayres• • •••• Berlin • • New York,6o days' sight Vienna.. •••••••• • • • • •• 10 28 Philadelphia •• •••• • • • • —• Trieste•••••••••••••••• 10 29 PRICES OP ZIILLSON, PER OZS Petersburg 35% Foreign Gold in Bars £3 17 9 Madrid 49% Portugal Gold Coin 0 0 0 Cadiz •.• .• • • ...... 49% Mexican Dollars 0 0 0 ilarcelona •••• ...• •• .• • . New Dollars .. 0 0 5evi11e.....• •• •• •• •• • • •• Silver in bars •..... 0 5 134 LOCAL SHARE MARKET& LIVERPOOL, JULY 16. STOCK EXCHANGE—The rar.rket to-day improved awn after the opening, but became dull, and closed very flat. —London and North-Western, 94 90—Sheffield, 36d Chester and Holyhead, IN—Eastern Counties, 12 6-16 — Midland, 923 I—North British, 12A 1-13irkenheads, 67 — GreatWestern, 491 50—Lancashire and Yorkshire, 91i Great Western of Canada, 18 I.B4—Diackburns, 114 Berwicks, 221 i—East Lancashire, 901 14-Caledo n i a ns, 394 —l.eeds Northern, 23 • - Dutch Rhenish, 5i 5 dis.—York and North Midlr.nd, 31 i—Graid Trunk of Canada, 1011 i—Dovers, 20r b-16. BIRMINCrgiAI.4, JULY IG. STOCK EXCHANOL—There was no improvement in the business done, and the market closed at about yesterday's rates. Midlands were done at 924—South Staffords closed at to 104 --- Waminghs.m and Derbys, 63—Shropshire Unions, 43—great Westerns, 494 50—Londons, 89. 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