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IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS—(YEsTERDAY). The LORD CHANCELLOR took his sett, on the woolsack at five o'clock. THE RIOTS AT IZINSALE. 1 The Marquis of CLANRICA.RDE asked whether the Government had received any infornnalon with respect to the late disgraceful outrages whichhad been committed by regiment of Antrim militia against the inhabitants of Kin sale. The outrage was of the most disgraceful character, as the officers knew well the Orange opinions of the regi ment. The Earl of RIPON . said information had been received at the War Office that a riot had occurred on the 12th July, between the Antrim Artillery Militia and the inhabitants. The most active steps had been taken by the magistracy, and the Antrim militia had been remo%ed from the place. Itwas theintentimoif Lord Seaton to institute a most search ing inquiry into the whole of the circumstances connected with the riot, and he trusted, on the report of the inquiry being received, it would turn out that the reports which had s_t_ppeared in the newspapers were greatly exagge r a ted. LONDON AND NORTH •WESTERN RAILWAY. On the motion of the Duke of DEVONSHIRE this bill was sent back for recommitment. THE BIRKENHEAD, LANCASHIRE, AND CHESHIRE RAILWAY. The debate on this bill was further adjourned. THE ITALIAN QUESTION. - - - Earl GRANVILLE, with reference to the motion which bad been given by the Earl of Malmesbury for the produc tion of two circulars signed by Count Cavour, dated the 14th and 16th of June, and Count Cavour's reply to the despatch of the Earl of Malmesbury to Sir J. Hudson, dated the ith of June, was understood to suggest the post ponement of the motion, as the production of the papers at the present moment might be attended with inconvenience. The Earl of MALMESBURY felt that these were times when the discussion of foreign affairs was anything but de sirable in their lordships' house, and had no hesitation in saying that if his noble friend thought such a discussion inconvenient at the present moment he would withdraw his motion. At the same time, a portion of the observations which he had intended to make related to a subject which could not be productive of any inconvenience, and that was the future state of the Duchy of Parma. He believed that the dignity with which the Duchess of Parma had encoun tered the difficulties before her had excited the admirationof all parties, and that it would be an act of injustice to her if she was not reinstated in her position, supposing that to be the wish of her people. Before the late Government left office he made an appeal to the Sardinian Government on the subject, and in the answer of Count Cavour to the pre sent Government statements were made in which he could not agree. He was prepared to meet these statements one by one, and refute each and all of them by dates and do cumentary evidence. But it was of less importance that he should do so now, seeing that the Minister who signed that reply, and who had published two circulars bearing on the subject, and containing equally unfounded assertions, was no longer Minister of the kingdom of Sardinia. He should, therefore, do no more at present than protest against the statements which had been made by Count Cavour, taking another opportunity, if it thould be neces sary, of entering into the discussion. It was possible that he might not have any opportunity during the present session of touching upon foreign affairs, and, although he willingly acceded to the request of his noble friend, he must not be misunderstood if, speaking generally and abstractedly, he said that it was not so inconvenient as some of their lord ships appeared to think for the house to enter into foreign affairs, and discharge them even if a crisis should exist. When he was Minister for Foreign Affairs he should have been spared many misrepresentations if he had had the op portunity of explaining the policy of the Government, and he thought it was far from being a disadvantage to the Go vernment from time to time to ascertain the opinions of the house and the country respecting foreign affairs. Of course that must be a question of discretion, and he was convinced that his noble friend would not ask him to postpone his motion without sufficient reason. He trusted that a discus sion would take place before the separation of Parliament, in order that the Government might ascertain the feeling of the country, and also state to the country their own opinions. There was neutrality in peace as well as neutrality in war, and it was of the utmost consequence that the country should understand what line of policy and what degree of interfer ence the Government meant to adopt. • The Marquis of NORMANBY, understanding that there was no objection to the production of the despatch from Lord John Russell to Sir James Hudson on the subject of the alleged annexation of ,the Duchies of Central Italy by the Government of Piedmont, would merely state that, consi• dering the personal character of the Duchess of Parma, and the attention she had always shown to the welfare of her subjects, he trusted no attempt would be made to dis possess her of the status which she had hitherto held. Earl GRANVILLE did not wish to be misunderstood. Nothing was further from his intention than to suggest as a general rule that matters of general foreign policy ought not to be discussed. On the other hand, there were cases which it was desirable to refrain from discussing, and that was pre cisely the ,case before their lordships. If their lordships were to enter into a debate they would labour under the disad vantage and inconvenience of discussing a subject respect ing which at the present time they possessed very imperfect information. 'The Marquis of C LAN RIC A.RDE said it was impossible not to infer from the remarks of the noble earl opposite (Malmesbury) that he , looked upon the retirement of Count Cavour from office with no regret. Now he (the Marquis of Clanricarde) thought no Minister of any country had come out so well as Count Cavour. He might, perhaps, have been indiscreet in some respects, but he had been animated throughout by strong feelings of patriotism and liberality, and it was a matter of regret that he had retired from the office which he had so ably filled. (Hear.) LOrd BROUGHAM believed that her Majesty's Govern ment Were not more ignorant of what was going on than . the Governments of Fiance and Austria. (Laughter.) All three sets of Ministers were equally ignorant of the inten tion of the two Emperors, who carried on their business without Ministers. That was a degree—he would not say of despotic Government—but it was a degree of unlimited monarchy such as had never been known before in any other country except for a short period during the career of the first Napoleon, and even then there was more communica. tion than at present. lie understood that Count Walewski, the Minister of Foreign Affairs, received his first and only intimation of what was- going on from the Empress, who had received a despatch from the Emperor. It was a most melancholy thing to have the fate of nations, the question of peace or war, depending upon sovereigns who had such absolute power that they not only had no control exercised over them by Parliament, by the press, or by public discus sion, but not even that moderate sort of control which the existence of an Administration imposed. (Hear.) With respect to the war, it was one of false pretences, not one single pretence of which had been fulfilled by the success of that war. As we happily had had no hand in the war, so happily we had had no hand in the peace, and he con gratulated the Government on being wholly irresponsible for the terms of the extraordinary arrangement which was now in progress. The Earl of DERBY said his noble friend opposite, al though aware that peace had been concluded between France and Austria,Was ignorant of the circumstances which had led to the peace, the terms of the peace, and the diplomatic dis cussions which were taking place. It was understood that France had entered upon the war as the ally of Sardinia, — not as the principal, but as the subsidiary to Sardinia—and he wished to ask his noble friend whether, along with the information of the conclusion of peace between France and Austria, he had received any information as to the conclu sion of peace between Sardinia and Austria. (Laughter.) Earl GRANVILLE knew nothing more on the subject than was known to their lordships. The Marquis of NOR3IANBY then moved for the pro duction of the despatch of Lord J. Russell to Sir J. Hud son, and stated that if any motion was brought forward re specting Count Cavour, he should state his reasons for differing from the opinion of Lord Malmesbury. Lord EBURY expressed a hope that this country would fully carry out the principle of non-interference. He had conversed with many diplomatists on the subject, and their opinion was, that if England would only wait, and not in trude her advice—would not perpetually interfere and ad vise—she would be applied to, and her opinion would then be much more respected. (Hear, hear.) The Duke of RUTLAND was of opinion that inter ference wag not at all times desirable, but still thought there were times when it was the duty of the Government to in terfere. As a noble lord opposite entertained such a high opinion of Count Cavour, perhaps he would endorse the foll o w i ng exPression used by the Count on receiving the intelligence Pat.her Majesty's Government had not re signed office in consequence of the recent vote of the House of Commons :—.O Ir. was h ear tily glad to, learn this deci sion, for he thought it would be a public misfortune if the Cabinet of whili Lei,d Derby is the chief, and which has recently taken so prominent a part in the promotion of a congress for settling the Italian question, should quit office almost at the moment of commencing the discussion of the vodka upon which it has Pronounced a strong opinion." He (the Duke of Rutland) did not generally concur in opinion with Count Cavour, b ut he Am so moat cordially in that remark. (Hear, hear.) - Lord STRATFORD de REDCLIPPE thought the o bjection was rather to the manner to „moil interference t oo k place than to int erference itself. As this conversation referred to the affairs'of Italy, he might be allowed more particularly to call to mind the affairs of Napl es . When he was lately in that country, he was much struck with the consequences of the particular mode of interference W hi ch had recently been adopted there. It appeared to him that in consequence of the manner in which that interferen ce had been effected, notwithstanding. the immense advantag e we had of acting in concert with our French ally, by our want of judgment in the manner of doing it, we forfeited that advantage, and the result was most unsatisfactory. It would be remembered that we withdrew our Minister from the Court of Naples, and the French Government did the same, in consequence of the line which the King of Naples at that time took with his own subjects, and which he did not abandon in consequence of our interference. He thought if that interference had been confined to good advice, sup ported by the excellent example of this country, and if we bad. not placed the King in a false position with his own subjects, we should have obtained a much better result. Notwithstanding all that could be alleged against the con duct of the Sovereign, and all that we had justly felt about the manner in which he conducted himself towards his own subjects, he maintained his position as long as suited his convenience, he never made the slightest concession to Eng land and France, and he-departed to another stat e of being in the obdurate triumph of a bad policy. This was perhaps ) the most remarkable result that had recently been obtained by such interference, but no doubt the observation and memory of noble lords would remind them of other such instances. He must therefore express his opinion that it was not the interference itself which was improper, but the mode of that interference Was objectionable ; and he trusted that this example would not be forgotten, but would be remembered to the improvement of our policy on future occasions. (Cheers.) The name of a very illus trious foreign Minister 'had been mentioned in this conver sation with a high panegyric. So far as he (Lord Strat ford de Redcliffe) knew anything of the subject, he be lieved that, so far as talents were concerned, and a natural desire to serve Italy, that Minister was worthy of such a panegyric ' but when he looked at the evidence there was respecting the policy which had been pursued, and when he saw nothing to prevent him from justly concluding that that policy had been mainly brought about by him, he thought that Minister had a great deal to answer for. (Hear.) He thought it would be a misfortune for this country and for this house if some opportunity were not afforded of expres- sing the opinions excited in their minds by those circum stances. Was it possible to lose sight of the manner in which, to all appearance, the revolutionary movement had been brought about in the Central States of Italy, where the representative of the King of Sardinia was himself em ployed, to all appearance, in bringing about revolution ? He (Lord Stratford de Redcliffe) would venture to say that, supposing it to be a fact that the Sardinian Minister at Florence really took part in such a conspiracy, he rendered himself amenable to the laws of the country, and if the Grand Duke of Tuscany had got that Ministerinto his power, his diplomatic character would not have sheltered him from being hanged at his own door. He (Lord Stratford de Red• cliffe) did indeed believe, looking back to his recollections of an earlier period in the history of our own country, that such would have been the fate of any foreign minister who should have acted that way here when Cromwell was the ruler of this country. One might sympathise ever so much with the cause of freedom in Italy, still the employment of means of that sort could not be appreved of. It was gain ing a little advantage at the expense of sacrificing the good will of the civilised world. Now it was absolutely neces sary that opportunities should be afforded in that house of expressing their opinion upon the recent events. What was to become of that principle of deference to public opinion, by which States were held together, if it was not to find some expression in their lordships' hovse ? He had been delighted to hear his noble and learned friend (Lord Brougham) express his opinion so freely, although on Friday evening last his noble and learned friend had interrupted him. (A laugh.) At the same time, he quite agreed that his noble friend who represented the Government in that house had exercised a sound discretion at this moment in requesting the noble earl opposite to put off that which would have brought the matter into general discussion. He trusted, however, that an opportunity would come when that house would be enabled to discuss the mat ter, and, as he hoped, with some advantage. Lore WODEHOUSE had not the slightest desire to pro long this discussion, which he thought was most inoppor tune ; but, he must observe that he, in common with his noble friend (Earl Granville), thought that a discussion on foreign affairs at the proper moment would be of the greatest advantage to the country and the Government, and he was sure that when the opportunity came for these matters to be discussed, his noble friend would be desirous that the opinion of Parliament should be fully and fairly expressed. But the reason why they deprecated any discussion upon this occa sion was, that they did not know what they were about to discuss. They had not the facts before them, upon which they could form an opinion. (Hear.) When they should have obtained those facts, her Majesty's Government would form their own opinion, and then no doubt their lordships would be ready to listen to that opinion and to express their sentiments, either in concurrence with it or not. As to the papers asked for, there were two circulars dated the 14th and 16th of June, which had beon sent by Count Cavour to be communicated to her Majesty's Government; they were read by the Sardinian Minister to his noble friend the Sec retary for Foreign Affairs, but no copies had been placed in his hands, so that, although they had appeared in the news papers, he could not lay them before Parliament. The other document asked for a despatch of her Majesty's Govern ment referrring to those despatches of Count Cavour, and it should be laid on the table. The Earl of MALMESBURY said the answer to those circulars would be unintelligible if the circulars themselves were not printed also. It was desirable, therefore, that the Foreign Secretory should ask for copies of those circulars. Lord WODEHOUSE said the despatch of the noble lord wasnot strictly an answer to those circulars, but merely con tained the observations made by the noble lord upon those circulars being read to him. In fact, - it contained very little more than the other despatch, which the noble marquis (Normanby) had moved for. The circular referred to had appeared in the newspapers. The motion was then agreed to. The Clerk of the Council Bill was read a second time. The Earl of DONOUGHMORE presented a petition from the North Staffordshire Railway Company, praying to be heard against the London and North-Western and other Railway Companies Working and Traffic Arrange ments Bill," which had been ordered, on the motion of the Duke of Devonshire, to be recommitted on Monday next. He (the Earl of Donoughmore) having been absent when the noble duke moved the recommittal of the bill, wished to know what course should be adopted. Lord REDESDALE said the noble duke moved the re committal of the bill under the impression that it was not opposed. Perhaps it would be better to discharge the order for the recommittal on Monday, and put it off till Tuesday. Lord STANLEY of ALDERLEY and Lord PORTMAN Ob jected to this course as irregular, since the proper notice of the recommittal had been given, and there would be an op portunity of opposing the bill on the third reading. It was agreed to leave the matter to the decision of the committee, and no motion was made. Their lordships then adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS.-(YESTERDAY.) The SPEAKER took the chair at four o'clock. WITHDRAWAL OF ELECTION PETITIONS, The SPEAKER announced that the petitions against the return of the members for the boroughs of Athlone, Berwick-on-Tweed, and Sandwich were withdrawn. PRIVATE BUSINESS. The Lords', amendments to the following bills were con sidered and agreed to :--Castle Douglas and Dumfries Railway, Hertford, Luton, and Thanstable Railway, Lanid • loes and Newtown Railway, Portsmouth and London and South-Western Railway Companies, and Sevenoaks Rail way Bills. The following bills were read a third time and passed ; Blackburn and Preston Road and Bridge, Bradford, Wake field, and Leeds Railway, Colne Valley and Halstead Rail way, Liverpool Exchange, Metropolitan Railway (Devia tions, &c.), Tendring Hundred Railway. MINERS. Mr. KINNAIRI) presented a petition from Barnsley district, signed by 5,500 miners and others, for short time and education for the children employed in coal and iron stone mines, and for a uniform system of weighing the ma terial at the pit's mouth ; and, also, for the adoption of means to elevate tha physical and intellectual condition of miners. CUSTO3IS. Mr. HADFIELD moved for returns of the ports and places in the United Kingdom approved by the Lords Com missioners of the Treasury, or the Commissioners of Cus toms, for the purpose of warehousing goods .liable to cus toms duties ; together with the amount of duties collected at each port or place, and the amount of customs expendi ture for officers' salaries and other outgoinfrs incurred thereat during the year ended ;the 31 s t day of b December last : of the quantity of tea, sugar, c o ff ee , wines, and spirits, and tobacco, directly imported into, and removed under the warehousing regulations, to each port or place, during the year ended the 31st day of December last, each return to be shown in separate columns : of all losses to the Crown ascertained to have taken place during, the removal of goods under bond from one bonded port or place to another, during the year ended the 31st day of December last : And of all losses to the Crown ascertained to have taken place on goods deposited in the warehouses approved by the Lords Commissioners of the Treasury, or the Commissioners of Customs, stating the names of places and the causes of loss, for the year ended the 31st day of December last. Re turns of all deficiencies ascertained to have taken place during the removal of goods under bond from one bonded port or place to another, during the year ended 31st Dec. last. Of all deficiencies ascertained to have taken place on goods deposited in the warehouses approved of by the Lords Com missioners of the Treasury, or the Commissioners of Cus toms, for the year ended the 31st day of December last ; and, of the aggregate amount of the salaries of the officers and clerks employed in, and other expenses incidental to, the warehousing departments of the Customs so far as the same can be estimated, for the year ended the 31st day of December kit. CHANNEL FLEET. L or d W. GRAHAM asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs whether the Government had received any information respecting the formation of a large Channel fleet at Brest and Cherbourg, with gunboats and other means for embarking and disembarking troops; and if so, whether they had demanded any explanation from the French Go vernment on the subject? Lord- J. RUSSELL said he had received information from her Majesty's consul at Brest, to the effect that there were no such preparations as those alluded to, and in the absence of any direct official information, he thought it would be better not to press the subject further. IMPORTATION OF OPIUM. Mr. BAINES asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs what means were being adopted to enforce that clause in the recent treaty with Japan which prohibits the importation of opium ? Lord J. RUSSELL said the article was contraband by the laws of the country, but he did not think Government should interfere to enforce those laws. EDUCATION, Bcc. IN SCOTLAND. Mr. CAIRI) asked the Lord Advocate whether it was his intention, on the part of the Government, to intro duce a bill this or early next session on thei l subject of education hi Scotland, and especially with refemace to the abolition of tests in Government schools ; al so, whether it was his intention to bring in a bill to ab o i L i s h i n f e ft men t s i n b urg h s i n S co tl an d. The L'aRD ADVOCATE said, that from the diffi culty a tt ending and the the subject referred to in the first question, lateness of the session, it would not be desirable to bring in a bill on the matter, and the latter reason also ap plied to th apostponement of legislation on the subject of in feftment till next session. THE EW FOREIGN OFFICE. Mr.TIT E asked N the First Commissioner of Works whether he ha .d any objection to place the drawings for the new Foreign-office, together with the designs to which the two first premiums were formerly awarded, in the library of the house, with as little delay as possible, and without waiting for the tenders from the builders for the actual construction of tle Gothic design? Mr. FITZROY said that the library was not suited to the iihibition of the des i gns and drawingsalluded to i but • - THE S as the reading-room was adapted to that purpose he had given directions that they should be placed there to-mor row, where they could be inspected by hon. members. THE TREATY OF PEACE. In reply to Mr. HORSMAN, Lord JOHN RUSSELL said that no official communica tion had been made to the Government on the subject, but he was informed by the French. Ambassador that the terms of the treaty were the same as those which • had already been published. He had directed the attention of Lord Cowley to the subject, and desired him to ask for some information, but his reply was that no further statement in addition to what had already been published would be made by the French Government until the return of the Emperor to France, which was expected on Monday next. • LONDON CORPORATION BILL. On the motion that the house at its rising do adjourn until Monday, Sir J. SHELLEY said that this bill, which stood for second reading this evening, contained no less than 73 clauses, and he would repeat what he had previously stated, namely, that the measure would re ceive considerable opposition. He appealed to Government to say whether it was right to bring on this question in the middle of July, when it could not be fully discussed. It w hams impossible that the bill could be proceeded with this session, and it was much more desirable that such a bill should be brought in at an early period of the session. If, however, the bill was not removed from the books that at east it would be stated on what day it was proposed to proceed with the further stages. The bill had been very much altered since it came from com mittee, and it was feared that another bill with reference to the financial part would have to be introduced; and, there- I ore, he thought it would be better to postpone the present bill, and bring in both bills next session. Sir G. C. LEWIS said that up to the present time there had been very little legislation, and he did not think the house would be in possession of much more information than they had already obtained, and the most objectionable portion of the bill —viz., that of finance—had been sepa rated from the measure. He was anxious that the house should express an opinion, and on Monday next he would name the day when he would bring the bill forward. MILITARY MEDICAL OFFICERS. In answer to Captain VERNON, Mr. S. HERBERT said, with regard to the first ques tion, that great improvement had taken place in the situa tion of the officers alluded to, but it was not deemed desir able to extend the warrant in question. LETTER INSURANCE. In reply to Mr. EVANS, Mr. LAING said that if the hon. member would satisfy Mr. Rowland Hill as to the efficiency of the system to which he referred, the Government would be ready to consider the question. In the absence of information, it could not be expected they would deal with the subject. EPISCOPAL CHURCHES IN SCOTLAND. In answer to Mr. HUNT, Lor PALMERSTON said that the general opinion was in favour of deferring any measure on this subject till next session, and the Government would not bring in any bill this session with reference to the matter. TENANT COMPENSATION IN IRELAND. The O'DONOGHUE called the attention of the Go vernment to the relations subsisting between lordlords and tenants in Ireland. Mr. CARDWELL assured the hon. member that the subject was occupying the most careful consideration of her Majesty's Government. The motion for the adjournment till Monday was then agreed to. head of the Government. (Laughter.) The whole dream of the noble lord's life had been the expulsion of the Aus trians from ,Italy, and now he saw the Austrians more firmly established in the equilateral—(a laugh)—the quad rilateral—than ever, with a recognised right as a member of the Confederation to interfere in the affairs of every state in Italy. (Cheers.) He (Loid Elcho) did not envy the feeling'of his noble friend when he found that this peace had been concluded with the Emperor of the French without waiting for his advice. His noble friend had more over the further mortification of feeling that eleven years ago a nod of his head or a stroke of his pen would have given a great deal more liberty to Italy than she now en joyed, after years of agitation and suffering, and after the immolation of whole hecatombs of slaughtered soldiers. (Loud cheers.) He could not but think that his two noble friends were deserving of the deepest commiseration • for, to use a most expressive though somewhat slang phrase, they had been most horribly "sold". (Cheers and laughter.) But peace had been made ; and a war which had been wantonly commenced had been capriciously concluded. (Hear, hear.) There were many circumstances w hich might's; ell make them rejoice at that peace. Although they might like to know what had been dune to ensure the better government of the Roman States and the Two Sicilies ; although they might like to 'know what would happen in the event of the Bolo g nese, the Tuscans, and the people of Parma and Modena declining to receive back their sove reigns; although they might like to know whether in such a case the Austrian and French armies would be employed in forcing them back on a reluctant people ; although they might like to know what had become of the Sardinian con stitution, and whether the free press would be restored through Sardinia and be extended to Lombardy; although they might like to obtain information on this and many other points, let them rejoice that peace had been made, and that there was now a prospect of opening their news papers without having to read of that sickening slaughter of human beings with which the public journals had of late been filled. Let them rejoice in that ; and let them earnestly pray that this peace would contribute to the permanent tranquillity, happiness, and security of Europe, although he was inclined to doubt it much. (Loud cheers.) THE MILITARY OATH. Lord W. GRAHAM briefly called attention to the oath required from recruits on attestation. A return latelymOved for by the gallant member for Westminster showed that in one year there had been no fewer than 17,000 desertions ; a fact which showed that the oath was of no practical utility. LORD ELCHO'S RESOLUTION—THE AFFAIRS • OF ITALY. Mr. S. FITZGERALD renewed the subject of this reso lution, and said he regretted that it had been withdrawn from the consideration of the house. It could not have inter fered with any negotiations on the part of the Government, for there were none going on. The armistice had taken place, and the peace been agreed to, without her Majesty's Government being once consulted. (Hear, tear.) Never theless the discussion of the resolution might have been in convenient to the existing Government. The noble lord at the head of the Government had severely arraigned the foreign policy of the late Government; but his charges had met with a prompt contradiction. (Hear.) It turned out that the very course which the noble lord said the late Government ought to have taken was that which they had actually pursued. The discussion of the resolution proposed must have been very damaging to the Government. Many had expected that the policy of the Government would be that of non-interference, at the same time with a support of the freedom of Italy. What must have been their surprise, and that of the whole of Europe, when they heard the noble lord declare that he had no po licy at all except that chalked out by his predecessors. This should be a caution to those who depreciated a policy in utter ignorance ef what it was. (Hear, hear.) A few nights ago Lord J. Russell had referred to a despatch of Lord Malmesbury, as sheaving that the present and the late Go vernment had pursued the same policy in offering advice to Germany. By the Federal Pact it rested with the German powers to decide whether they would make a casus belli of an attack on the territory of a power which lay beyond the Confederation. Lord Malmesbury had taken this view, and had advised Germany accordingly. It was possible that the details of the treaty of peace would have to be carried out by a European Congress, in which this country might take part ; but he doubted whether it would be wise in the Government to do so, as this country had taken no part to the war. (Hear, hear.) But it was clear from the speeches of Lord J.lRussell, Sir C. Wood, and others, th t they anti cipated being called on to act as negotiators. One of these speeches the right hon. gentleman characterised as contain ing language of menace which was calculated to compro mise this country. Probably the Government would enter into negotiations in the same spirit ; if so, nothing would be more calculated to disturb our peaceful relations with other Powers. (Hear, hear.) Whatever occurred, he hoped the Government would strictly adhere to the principle of non-intervention, at the same time firmly asserting what they felt to be the honour and the interests of our own coun try. (Hear.) Lord J. RUSSELL—I certainly thought it quite unne cessary to take any notice of the speech of the noble lord (Lord Elcho). He seemed to have reflected upon the mo tionof which he had given notice, and to have come to the opinion that he had much better not make it. (A laugh.) I 'quite agree with him in that opinion, and certainly it was quite harmless for him to indulge in a sort of triumph and jubilation when he was in reality retreating from the posi tion which he had taken up. (Hear, hear.) He seemed to enjoy a sort :of triumph in considering that any wishes which my noble friend (Lord Palmerston) and I might have had for freedom in Italy would be disappointed. That may be the case ; but I am sure that I shall not be ashamed, and I do not think my noble friend will S ever be ashamed, of suying that our wishes are in favour of freedom in any country in which free institutions can be introduced. It is one thing to say that you will use the power of a country — that you will interfere with the means of a country, in order to introduce free institutions into another country ; it is another thing to rejoice when those free institutions pros per, and to lament whenever they are destroyed. (Hear, hear.) The hon. gentleman who spoke last has referred to Mr. Canning. I remember that Mr. Canning spoke in this house on the subject of the great invasion of Spain. The Spaniards had establisned free institutions in that country ; the French had forbid them, and were invading Spain to put down those free institutions. Mr. Canning then declared that the policy of this country was neutrality; at the same time he did not hesitate to say that his wishes were that the Spaniards might be successful in resisting that interference. (Hear.) Mr. Canning did not go at all beyond the line which a Minister must observe in thus expressing his wishes, at the same time that ho declared the policy which the Government would follow. The right hon. gentletnan has referred to the conduct of the late Government. lam very glad that Lord Elcho has not made it necessary for the house to discuss that conduct. I am ready to believe that they were all along endeavouring., to the utmost, with impartiality and with care, to preserve a neutral position, and to prevent the evils of war. And I remember that when there was a question about Lord Malmesbury going to a congress, I said that there would be neither ability nor inclination wanting to' bring that congress to a happy termination ; when the papers had been produced, I said that it was but fair to presume that everything in these papers would be favourable to the party in power, and would make out no eve against their impartiality. But if we had had to go into all the particu lars of their conduct, there would have been points on which I should have said that they had not taken the view which in my opinion was most like to lead to a satisfactory issue, especially in the beginning of those discussions with France, when I think much might have been done that was left un done. But Tam glad not to have to enter into that discus sion now. But Mr. Fitzgerald thinks fit, with the very little knowledge of the subject which he possesses, and the little which I have thought it consistent with my duty to disclose, to find fault with the present Government for the course which they have pursued. He refers to an instance in which I was blamed for advising Prussia not to interfere, as we thought prematurely, in the war, not to place herself in the ranks of the belligerents. In answer to that I quoted a despatch of Lord Malmesbury's, in which he used the strongest terms to the same effect, telling Prussia that her coasts would be ravaged, and that he could give her no assis tance. (lear, hear.) That despatch was not only sent to our Ministers at the German courts, but it was also communi cated to tho Ministers of the German courts resident hero ; so that the courts might have full information of the noble lord's views. Ido not doubt that the advice which the late and the present Government gave to Prussia, to consider well and to pause before she made herself a belligerent, had an effect in producing that moderate. and as I think wise, course which Prussia has pursued. I believe that her refraining from entering at once into the arena of war did tend very greatly to circumscribe the sphere of hostilities. Had she at once entered into the war on the ground that that war was approaching the Mincio, it is difficult to say to what extent the war might have been carried, or at what period peace might have been attained. I have received a letter this very day from Naples, in which it is said that Naples was not disposed to enter into the war, but that if Russia and Germany had joined in it, it was probable that public opinion in Naples would have "been so strong that the Government would have been unable to refrain from imme diately taking a part in the hostilities. I believe that the whole of Italy and the whole of Germany would have been drawn into the war. I rejoice very much that peace is re stored. (Cheers.) The hon. gentleman says that it is a question whether or not we should take any part in a con gress to settle the terms of the peas. That is a question of the utmost importance—it is a. question, I think, to which every man in Europe will look with anxiety. (Hear, hear.) I understand that the Emperors of France and Austria are not completely agreed upon the subject. At all events, the question is not before us in a shape in which we can pro sunie to decide upon it. It appears to me that the influence of England ought to be used—if it is used at all on this subject—to confirm the peace, to improve any treaty ofpeace, if it is possible for us to improve it, and at all events to see that there is nothing in our conduct which might lead - to our abandoning that neutral and impartial position for which the hon. gentleman takes so much credit to the late Government. For my own part, I believe that the mainte nance of that position is in accordance with the universal opinion of the peoplb of this country. (Hear, hear.) There were abundant reasons for our maintaining that position. I ventured myself, in speaking to my constituents, to state the, case of both the belligerents, and to explain why I thought that neither of them was entitled to the assistance of this country. Tam sorry to,say.it then seemed to me that the Emperor of France g oing into Italy was not likely to consolidate the liberties of that 'country, o:—(the re mainder of the noble lord's sentence was lost, owing to the extremely low tone in which he spoke, and there were cries of "Speak up.") I have the same apprehensions still; but., at the same time, it is impossible Coley down ony par ticular rule beforehand for our guidance in , the negotia tions. The hon. gentleman takes great credit to himself for what the late Government did. lam not disposed to deny or dispute that credit ; and certainly I can only say, in regard to the present juncture, that we are bound — if we are called upon, with the whole of Europe, to consider any treaty- of peace which may be made—not to participate in any troaty of peace which is not conformable to our notions of the honour, the digniry, and freedom of this country. (Cheers.) It is with a view to the maintenance of that dignity that we should be disposed to act. I will say no thing more at present on this subject. It is well that the noble lord's motion has not come under discussion. When our own conduct is impugned, I shall be perfectly ready and happy to afford every explanation. (Hear.) THE ARMY ESTIMATES. Mr. WILLIAMS said he had given notice that he would move to have the estimates submitted to a select committee, but in consequence of the lateness of the session he did not mean to press it. (Hear, hear.) the e Th cha e i h r ouse then went into a o r o lik m e t a i s t t The vote of £114,537 f or w . sea service was agreed to, as were the following : L 123,500 for fortifications. £23,409 for civil buildings. teoree:::: .tikhiellanssEdicanind wa T os huaelli,o-oeatvegoroeetfego3fto6;347lo,of6o;r for general aft o e fa r a a vra sh , short discussion, Mr. WILLIAMS complained that Evilly men were ad- vaned in the higher class of the army, not through the services they had rendered, but on account of influence. Agreed to. The following votes were agreed to :- £265,702 for retired officers. £395,600 for pensions to widows, &c. £24,433 for pensions for wounds. CIVIL SERVICE ESTIMATES. The committee then proceeded to the civil service esti mates. . On the vote of £667,000 for salaries, &c., at the customs, Sir H. WILLOUGHBY complained that this sum was largely increased since last year. Mr. LAING said that the amount appeared larger be cause these votes were now more Correctly apportioned amongst the various services than they had been. Agreed to. The vote of £1,151,000 for the Post-office was agreed to. The vote of £326,000 for the superannuation allowances was agreed to. On the vote of £44,980 far the expenses of royal palaces, Mi. WILLIAMS again protested most earnestly against proceeding with these estimates when no time had been given to members to considey them. Mr. FITZROY put it to the han. member that consider ing the exceptional nature of the session, these estimates had been sufficiently long in the hands of hon. members. After an observation from Sir H. WILLOUGHBY, Lord PALMERSTON hoped the house would, at least, allow his right hon. friend to pass such of the estimates as were not objected to. Mr. WILLIAMS protested against the course of the Go vernment, and announced his intention of taking the sense of the house on the motion to report progress. Lord PALMERSTON repeated his hope that the com mittee would allow the undisputed estimates to pass. Mr. J. WILSON reminded the house that usually these estimates were the first business after Easter, and now they had arrived at the 15th July. If they, however, postponed them now, they would subsequently have to pass them hur riedly at morning sittings, most likely without any conside ration at all. Sir J. PAXTON was willing to accept the arrangement proposed by Lord Palmerston -namely, to pass the unques tioned estimates, and to postpone those upon which a dis cussion was expected. Alter an observation from Mr. DODSON, Mr. 'WILLIAMS expressed his firm conviction that Lord Palmerston knew nothing about the votes which he asked might be passed without discussion. (A laugh.) He (Mr. Williams) knew that money was wanted for the royal pa laces, but there were certain items is these votes upon which he should like to make some observations. How could the noble lord understand votes which had been prepared by a previous Government ? Lord PALMERSTON admittodthathebadnof examined the votes, but his right hon. friend had, and would be pre pared to vindicate them. If his hon. friend would not give some confidence to the two governments, they would hardly get through these estimates before September. The committee then divided on the motion to report progress- Ayes .... Noes The vote was agree to. £8,2740 repairs of public buildings; £lB,OOO furniture in public offices; £17,525 expenses of the new Houses of Par liament... Agreed to. In answer to a question from Sir H. WILLOUGHBY, Mr. FITZROY said it was understood that this was the last vote that would be required for the works, except what might be necessary for the annual expenses connected with so large a building. Mr. BALL asked if £6,500 was required for the clock ? Mr. FITZROY said that £4,000 of the vote was for the tower. Mr. BALL said that they had been watching the clock anxiously for months. (Hear, hear.) Sometimes it went, and sometimes it was still ; sometimes it struck, and some times it refused. (Cheers.) He wished to know if this vote would complete the works ? Mr. FITZ ROY replied that the present vote would in clude the whole expenditure. Mr. POLLARD-URQUHART thought that the pre sent vote was one that ought to be postponed. Mr. AYRTON complained or the mode of ventilation adopted. When the house got warm, cold air was pumped in at the feet of hon. members, thus driving blood to the head, and compelling them to leave the house. In addition to this, they were treated with the most abominable odours, sometimes chloride of lime, and sometimes the unmitigated stench of the Thames. In fact, all their measures were carried on in the most absurd and extravagont manner. Sir H. VERNEY was understood to say that a com mittee of which he was a member were engaged in an in quiry when the new Houses of Parliament were about to be • built as to a change in the site, and it was stated that the real reason why they were kept in that spotwas because the Government wished to have a means of escape from mem bers, and the river Thames afforded a better mode of escape than the parks. With regard to the mode of ventilation, he himself kept a pair of worsted stockings and gaiters for wear in the house, in order to keep his feet from the cold air. Mr. FITZROY said with regard to ventilation he be lieved that the plan of Mr. Goldsworthy was the best. It was difficult to obtain an equal temperature in the house towards morning, which was, he believed, the time that members suffered most from the ventilation; for perhaps after a debate in a full house of 400 members, most of them streamed out, and that necessarily created a great change in the temperature. It was impossible that the most scientific ventilation could be complete, and he believed that Mr. Gurney did the best he could. Sir B. BRYDGES suggested that some of the windows in the lobby should be set open. The vote was then agreed to. The following votes were agreed to without observation : -£29,130 for expenses connected with the Probate Court and registries, £5,550 for British embassy houses abroad. On the vote of £174,000 for harbours of refuge, Mr. BAXTER said he hoped Government would not go on with this vote, inasmuch as the hen. member for Sun derland had given notice of an amendment, and he was not present. Mr. B LACKBURN said an additional reason for post poning the vote was that certain returns that had been or dered respecting it had not been made. Mr. PEASE also supported the postponement. An emi nent engineer had told him that the works at Alderney were a disgrace to the country. Mr. GORDON remarked that these harbours were more for war purposes than anything else, and the works ought not to be interrupted. Mr. WARRE hoped there would soon be harbours of refuge along the eastern coast. These were works of great utility and necessity. Mr. MONSELL saidthe request of the hem.. member for Montrose seemed to him to be a reasonable one ; it was that the vote should be postponed till they had further informa tion. The original estimate for the harbour of Alderney was £600,000, but last year they were told that an alteration was proposed in the plan which would make it cost £1,300,000. The committee did not know which plan had been decided on, and it was therefore only reasonable that there should be some delay until they had had information laid before them on this important subject. (Hear.) Mr. LAING said the votes did not involve any of those large questions to which allusion had just been made. They were simply to continue works which had been sanctioned by the house. The vote for Dover was absolutely necessary to prevent what had already been done from being washed into the sea. The works at Alderney had been sanctionedby two Boards of Admiralty. It would cost £1,300,000, of which £BOO,OOO had been already spent. With regard to the harbour at Portland, it was happily approaching com pletion ; another year's vote, in addition to the present one, would finish the works. There could really be no objection in putting a stop to the operations which were now in hand. Sir W. MILES urged the Government to grant the short delay whibh had been asked for. Mr. BAXTER protested against going on with the vote. There was a great difference of opinion as to the utility of the works, especially with regard to Alderney. In order, therefore, to bring the matter to a distinct issue he would move the reduction of the vote by £75,000. Viscount PALMERSTON submitted to the house that these harbours had been undertaken after the most delibe rate consideration, and on the advice of the most eminent authorities. Great sums had been laid out on them, and the result of not finishing them would merely be to waste all the money. As to Alderney it was a most important position with regard to the defence of the country. It would not be necessary, and, indeed, it would be invidious, to go into all the circumstances of the case. It was sufficient to re mind the committee of the position of Cherbourg and Port land. (Hear.) In connexion with Portland, Alderney was one of the watch towers of the country, and it would be most prejudicial to the national interests to delay its com pletion.. (Hear, hear.) Lord LOVAI I N'E thought the country must present a milieus spectacle to foreign nations, when every y ea r some hon. gentleman on the other side tried to undo all that par liament had previously done.. Mr. BLACKBURN said the objection was not to the vote itself, but to voting it without information. Mr. HEN thought that before agreeing to the vote N , they ought to have before them the plans which they had been promised. Lord DUNCAN, t r usted the Gove rn ment would not in sist on the committee's proceeding with the vote without more information. It had been stated that if Alderney were finished on its present scale, we should never be able to garrison it ; and that we should only be building a fort for the enemy. (Hear, heiti.) Lord PALMERSTON said he held in his band the re port with the plans. It was printed, but had not been de livered ; and if the house wished to read it before agreeing. to the vote, he should have no objection to postpone the vote. The vote was postponed accordingly. 00,000 for the new packet harbour at Holyhead. Sir S. NORTHCOTE remarked that the estimates for this work had grown to £1,900,000, of which £400,000 was for a breakwater, for the use of the transatlantic steamers. It would therefore be desirable to consider whether Holy head wa to e the pint of departure for the Atlan tic steamers, s other b wise the o expenditure would turn out to be unnecessary. Mr. LAING was much obliged to the hon. genileman, and would make inquiry into the matter. Mr. GLYN suggested an arrange men t by w hich the American letters might be delivered 12 hours earlier. He said that although there had been an increased estimate for the habour at Hlyhed, the increased acccommodation for the r o public was more than commen s urate with the in creased expenditure. On the vote of £23,403 for the annual expenses for the service of Portpatrick Harbour, and for the improvement of the harbour, Mr. BAXTER moved tha t the c hairman report progress, observing that Portpatrick could never be made a safe and efficient harbour. Mr. LAING said thi s was an exceptional case, but he considered that the fai th of the Government was pled g ed to the vote, and therefore trusted that the vote would be agreed to. COTE supported the vote, stating that Sir S. NORTH the railway company had gone to a considerable expense on the faith of the sum now under consideration being granted. The vote was then agreed to. The next vote was £70,421 for public buildings in Ireland. After a few remarks from Mr. BLACKBURN and Lord FERMOY the vote was agreed to. The following votes were also agreed to, to complete the sums requisite for the several services :- £68,969 for the salaries &c., of the two Houses of Par liament. £34,600 for the expenses of the Treasury. £17,911 for the Home Department. £42,800 for the Foreign Depart-lent. £21,178 for the Colonial Department. £10,593 for the Privy Council Office. £33,942 for the Board of Trade. £ 1 ,720 for the office of Lord Privy . Seal. £3,855 for tho Civil Service Co mmission. £13,762 for the Paymaster-General's Department. £4,898 for the Comptroller-General of the Exchequer. £19,746 for the Office of Works. £13,514 for the Office of Woods and Forests. £9,498 for the Office of Public Records. £52,379 for administration of the laws relating to the pecr. £25,052 for the Mint. £13,925 for Inspectors of Factories and Mines. £3,179 for the Excb.erer (Scotland), ITALY. On the motion for going iia; committee of supply, Lord ELCHO offered some explanatioons with regard to the following resolution of which he had given notice, viz.: —" That, in the opinion of this house, the correspondence respecting the affairs of Italy, which has recently been laid before Parliament, shows that the late Governmenthave per severingly directed their efforts to the maintenance of peace, and to the amicable settlement of the differences between the contending powers ; and that, whilst they have preserved the strictest neutrality, and conducted these complicated negotiations with patience and with impartiality, they have at the same time upheld the honour and the dignity of this country. That it is further the opinion of this house that the policy of neutrality and mediation between the contend ing powers which has thus been pursued by the late Govern ment should be adhered to by her Majesty's present Ad- visers." The noble lord said that when on Tuesday last, in answer to the appeal of his noble friend, the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs, he agreed to withdraw this motion, he reserved to himself the right to say a few words in expla. nation of the reasons which had induced him in the first place to put it on the paper. and afterwards not to insist on bringing it before the house. It had been said that he had turned Derbyite, and had been actuated by a feeling of fac tious hostility towards the present administration ; but he disclaimed any such motive. He entertained for the present Government no feeling of hostility whatever. He was pre pared to do to them what he had done to their predecessors, namely, to give them his humble support_ when he thought they were right, and to oppose them when he thought they were wrong. It was, then, no spirit of hostility towards the present Government, but a desire to do what he conceived wa s an act of simple justice to the late Government, which had induced him to place his resolution on the paper. (Hear, hear.) He said that it was to do an act of justice, because it could not be denied that an impression had gone abroad that the policy of the late Government was not one of strict neutrality, but one favourable to Austria, and unfavourable to France and Sardinia. That was stated in the public journals ; it was stated by the Opposition in that house ; and there was no doubt that it had materially influenced the division. He had since, however, heard it stated that if the blue-book had been published previous to the close of the debate it would have made a difference of something like twenty votes. (Loud Conservative cheers.) He did . not wish to enter into any argument upon the point, but it was unquestionable that such -an impression had gone abroad, and that when the blue -book was at last pub lished, it produced a feeling that the late Government had been maligned. (Cheers.) Under these circumstances it appeared to him to be only right that Parliament should express an opinion to that effect ; and he was at a loss to see how it could be regarded as an act of hostility to the present Government to ask it to take that course. If in pri vate life they did a man wrong—if they unwittingly said something of him which was not true, the first feeling of a gentleman would be instantly to confess to him, though he were an enemy, that the allegation was without foundation. Now, he wanted the house to do as a body what he was sure every one of them would do as au individual ; he wanted that house, as the aggregate of English gentlemen, to do an act of justice to the late Government, which any one of them would gladly do in his private capacity. (Cheers.) So much for the former part of his resolution ; the latter part of it referred to the negotiations of the present Government. He would not deny that in framing that part of it he was under an impression that the present Government were not prepared to follow the policy of strict neutrality. His belief was, that the feeling of this country was in favour of neu trality so long as their honour and interests were not affected; but he doubted from the antecedents of his two noble friends, the noble viscount and the Foreign Secretary, Whether their neutrality would be a strictly impartial one. He feared that it would be what that of Prussia was said to be, a "neutralite inguietante" towards Austria—that they would conduct themselves towards Austria in the same manner that the late Government was said to have con- ducted itself towards France. (Cheers.) He believed that if he had to press the motion, he should have been able to prove by the speeches and the antecedents of his noble friends, that in that impression he was not wrong ; and therefore it was that he felt anxious that the house should affirm the policy of neutrality. Five minutes afterhe (Lord Elcho) gave his notice, his noble friend at the head of tho Government stated that he intended to " walk in the path which had been chalked out for them by his predecessors." For himself, he (Lord Riche) was perfectly ready to take that statement. He believed that it had been made with no Pf . ""^r, In 4 thit the noble lord 'lid in fact intend to follow that policy of strict neutrality. Nevertheless, he should have asked the house to agree to the latter part of the resolution, because it seemed to him that in the position of the house, nicely balanced as it was, and doubt ful as it was whether the gentlemen behind him were very cordial supporters of the Government—(hear, hear)—it would be desirable to strengthen the hands of the government by a unanimous declaration of the house in favour of the principle of neutrality. (Cheers.) Such were the motives which had actuated him in proposing to move the resolution. He had hoped that the member for Sheffield or the member for Surrey would have taken up the matter ; but those hon. gentlemen both declined the task, although they said it ought to be done ; and the hon. member for Surrey strongly urged him (Lord Elcho) to do it himself. - (Hear.) Now for the ground upon which he had with rawn the motion. It was not because of the existing com plications, for he was not prepared to admit that the house ought at all times, when the affairs of the continent were in a momentous position, to be debarred from expressing its opinions. On the contrary, he humbly ventured to think that in times of crisis, the opinion of what might be the only free assembly of free men in Europe (for they did not yet know what had become of the Sardinian constitution) was likely not only not to prove prejudicial, but to exercise a great and beneficial influence on the continent. (Cheers.) If the house was not to discuss foreign politics at such a moment, then the expression of English opinion would be left to the public press. Now he wished to speak with the I greatest possible respect of the press of this country. Ho hold it to be, on the whole, the most honest and the most able press in the world ; but they must not forget that the .daily press, written for daily circulation, was apt to take its colour from passing events ; and they had occasionally seen what was wrong in January became right in Juneunder the magic influence of success. He thought it most desirable, therefore, that the house should discuss foreign policy ; but even before the appeal was made to him by his noble friend on Monday night he had determined not to press his motion, because he well knew that many members would take advantage of the existing state of things, and of the with drawal of a somewhat similar motion by a noble lord in another place, to vote against it, and would thus defeat his (Lord Elcho's) object, which was to obtain, if possible, a una - nimous and certainly a distipct expression of the opinion of the house. He regretted to withdraw the motion, because as ho had said he was anxious to do what he considered to be only an act of justice to her Majesty's late Government. • (Rear.) Although the announcement of the peace had been received by the house with acclamation, he could not but think that there were many by whom it would not be viewed with entire satisfaction. Those gentlemen who, regardless of treaties, regardless of right, and forgetful of Ireland and Canada, were favourable to the armed inter vention of one power in the country of its neighbour, and who supported the propaganda of nationalities, would be profoundly dissatisfied with it. (Hear.) He doubted whether it would be received with much delight by those who dwelt in the neighbourhood of Leicester-square, (A laugh.) He doubted whether any sort of thanksgiving would issue from the platform of Exeter Hall on account of a peace the grand feature of which was the exaltation of the Pope. (Hear, hear.) It might be sceptical on his part, but he was inclined even to doubt whether the circumstances and the terms of this peace would meet with ony very cordial approval from the authorities in Downing-street, whose sanction and whose counsels, so far as the public knew, had not been sought. (Laughter.) With regard to his noble friend the Secretary for Foreign Affairs, one must really feel quite disposed to condole with him in the position which he now occupied, suddenly and unexpectedly deprived, as he had been, of the opportunity to redeem his character as a nego • tiator—(laughter)—and to establish in Italy that model con stitution which he no doubt had in the red box before bim. (Laughter and cheers.) But if they condoled with the noble lord, there was no member in that house—there was no man who.possessed the smallest feeling of compassion —that would not condolc) still more 9 4 1 A . P.: 1 8 noble friend at the , , , , £4,431 for the household of th 6 Lord -Lieutenant of Ire-- land. • £75,904 for the Chief Secretary's Office (Ireland). £5,204 for Paymaster of Civil Services Office (Ireland). , - £1,709 for Inspectors of Lunatic Asylums, (Ireland). £16,105 for Board of Public Works, (Ireland). £22,466 for Commissioners for Auditing Public Accounts. £12,621 for Copyhold,. Inclosure, and Tithe Commission. £8,680 for expense of enclosure and drainage acts. £26,300 for General Register Office, England and Wales. £2,296 for General Register Office, Dublin. £3,302 for Registrar of Births, &c., Scotland. £10,652 for expenses of National Debt Office. £1,300 for Public Works Loan Commissioners. £670 for West India Island Relief Commission. £2,642 for Commissioners in Lunacy. £2,814 for the Commissioners of Lunacy. £723 for county roads in South Wales. £1,128 for registration of Friendly Societies in England, Scotland, and Ireland. £22,000 for foreign and secret services. £247,420, stationery, printing, &c. for the two Houses of Parliament. Mr. WALPOLE said that the contract for printing ex pired at the end of this year, and he wished to know whether the Government proposed to renew it. Sir G. C. LEWIS said it would be desirable, on grounds of economy, to make some alteration in the terms of the contract as regarded the printing of statutes, but before the end of the session he would state what course the Govern ment proposed to take. Mr. HADFIELD referred to the printing of Bibles and Prayer-books, which formed part of the contract with the Queen's printer. After a few words from Sir G. C. Lewis, Mr. Walpole' and Mr. Dunlop, the vote was agreed to, as were the fol lowinc, : £76,750 for postage in the public services. £31,545 for the office of Solicitor to the Treasury, and costs of Mint prosecutions. £150,000 expenses of prosecutions at assizes and quarter sessions. [On this vote a conversation was originated by Mr. Henley, as to the mode in which the county accounts were made up and audited, but nothing resulted from it.] £164,275 for the county and borough police of England, Wales, and Scotland. £1,145 for the Crown Office of the Queen's Bench. £4,300 for the Registrar and expenses of the ,Admiralty Court, Dublin. £5,176 for the Insolvent Debtors Court, Dublin. £22,740, expenses of the Court of Probate, Divorce, and Matrimonial Causes. In answer to Mr. AYRTON, Lord PALMERSTON said that a bill would be brought in this session, to improve the jurisdiction of the court. £126,150 for expenses of County Courts was agreed to. £14,000 for police courts in the metropolis. • £90,000 for the metropolitan police. £2,500 for the Queen's prisons. • On the next vote being proposed, Mr. SPOONER protested against the committee going further, it being after 12 o'clock, and the motion that the chairman should report progress was agreed to. The house then resumed. SUPPLY. REPORT. The report of the votes agreed to last night was received and confirmed. MUNICIPAL CORPORATIONS BILL. The second reading of this bill was postponed till twelve o'clock on Tuesday. NEWSPAPERS, &c., BILL. This bill passed through committee. CAMBRIDGE UNIVERSITY. Sir G. C. LEWIS obtained leave to bring in a bill to continue the powers of the commissioners under an act of the 19th and 20th years of her Majesty, concerning the University of Cambridge, and the College of King Henry VI. at Eton. PACKETS AND TELEGRAPHIC CONTRACTS COMMITTEE. Mr. BUTT moved that the select committee on Packets and Telegraphic Contracts do consist of 21 members ; that Sir Edward Grogan and Lord J. Browne be added to the committee. There were now only 10 Irish members on the committee, and that was not a sufficient representation of their interests. (Hear.) . The real origin of the committee was to inquire into the circumstances under which the late Government granted a subsidy to promote communication between Ireland and America, and therefore the Irish mem bers were entitled to a fair representation in it. The SPEAKER having put the question that the com mittee do consist of 21 members, The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER regretted he could not assent to the motion; there was no jealousy on the part of the Government ; the subject of the Galway con tract was indeed a part of the inquiry, but even if that con tract had never been made the general question must have been inquired into by a committee. The proposal now made was one to send into the committee a number of gentlemen pledged to support the Galway contract. (No, no.) Could there be a doubt of it? There were already on the committee four gentlemen who had been parties to the contract, and of course with a distinct conviction ready to support their policy. The public of England and Scotland would look with jealousy on any addition to the com mittee of gentlemen with fixed and declared opi nions on the subject. If they tampered any further with the constitution of the committee they would shake public confidence in it. There was a direct objection to one name proposed (Lord J. Browne), as the rule adopted in the selection of the other names had been to ex clude any member having a local interest. Lord J. B ROWNE said he was not aware it was intended to propose his name. He admitted he was as much preju diced one way as the hon. member for Montrose the other, and if they were both on the committee the fairest thing they could do would be to pair off. He begged to say he had no local connection with Galway. Colonel DUNNE supported the motion. They did not want to be governed after the manner of the lonian Islands. Lord DUNCAN read an extract from a petition pre sented by Sir W. Russell, to show that the investigation of the committee might seriously prejudice the election peti tion now pending against the return for Dover, and sug gested that the Dover contract should not be inquired into until the election petition was decided. Mr. WHITESIDE admitted that the Chancellor of the Exchequer had been just in placing some of the accused on the committee, but there were other interests involved in the inquiry ; why was there no representative of the com mercial interests of Ireland on the committee ? The house then divided — For the motion 47 Against it Majority ENDOWED SCHOOLS BILL. Mr. DILLWYN ,moved that the select committee on this bill should consist of 17 members, and that Mr. Long field and Mr. Butt be added to the committee. The hon. member stated that he had applied to several Irish mem • bers to act on the committee, and all had refused. Mr. HENNESSY protested against the constitution of the committee as unfair. Lord NAAS suggested that the nomination should be postponed. After some further conversation, the increase was agreed to, and the nomination of the committee postponed. UNIVERSITIES (SCOTLAND) BILL. Mr. DUNLOP moved that the house resolve itself into committee to consider a bill to remove doubts as to the ad mission to the office of Principal in the Universities of Scot land. Mr. B. COCHRANE moved the adjournment of the debate. Mr. C. BRUCE objected to the bringing in of the bill at so late an hour of the night. The LORD ADVOCATE supported the bill, and ex plained that its object was merely to rectify a mistake. After a few words from Mr. BLAciortritzt in support of the adjournment, The house then divided — For the motion lO Against it Majority —44 The house went into committee. Leave was given to bring in the bill. The house adjourned at a quarter to two o'clock. FROM THE GAZEi"PE OF LAST NIGHT ST. JAMES'S PALACE, JULY 12. The Queen has been pleased to appoint the Rev. William Thomson, D.D., Provost of Queen's College, Oxford, and preacher at Lincoln's Inn, London / to he one of the Chn plains in Ordinary to her Majesty. ST. JAMES'S-PALACE, JULY 12. The Queen has been pleased to appoint the 'Reverend William Selwyn, 8.D., Prebendary of Ely and Margaret Professor of Divinity at Cambridge, to be one of the Chap. lains in. Ordinary to her Majesty. ST. JAMES'S PALACE, Jinor 12. The Qneen ha; heen pleased to appoint the Reverend Charles Kingsley, Junior, Rector of reley, to be one of the Chaplains in Ordinary to Her Majesty. FOREIGN-OFFICE, JULY 12. The Queen has been graciously pleased to appoint the Hon. William George Grey, now Secretary to her Majesty's Legation at Berlin, to be Secretary to her Majesty's Em bassy at Paris. The Queen has been g raciously pleased to appoint Wm. Lowther, Esq., now Secretarytot I ( :.e h r e A r la l‘a Majesty's yyes Legations 's Legation at , St. Petersburg, to be Secretary at Berlin. The Queen has also been graciously pleased to appoint John Savile Lumley, Esq., now Secretary to her Majesty's Legation at Madrid, to be Secretary to her Majesty's Lega tion at St. Petersburgh. The Queen has also been graciously pleased to appoint the Hon. Richard Edwardes, now Secretary to her Ma jesty's Legation at Frankfort to be Secretary to her Ma jesty's Legation at Madrid. The Queen has also been graciously pleased to appoint Frederic Hamilton, Esq., now Secretary to her Majesty's Legation at Athens, to be Secretary to her Majesty's Lega tion at Frankfort. The Queen has also been graciously pleased to appoint Fletcher Cavendish Charles Conyers Norton, Esq., now First Paid Attache to her Majesty's Embassy at Paris, to be Secretary to her Majesty's Legation at Athens. ADMIRALTY, JULY 12. Corps of Royal Marines —Captain Edward Stanley Browne to be Lieutenant-Colonel, vice Fleming, retired on full-pay; First Lieutenant Harry Lewis Evans to be Cap tain, vice Browne, promoted; Second Lieutenant Joseph Philips.to be First Lieutenant, vice Evans, promoted. COMMISSIONS SIGNED BY THE QUEEN. Norfolk Militia Artillery—Andrew Russell, Gent., to he Quartermaster. Shropshire Regiment of Militia—Quartermaster-Ser geant James Armstrong, late Renfrew Militia, to be Qu.ar termaster, vice Wallace Boyce, resigned. COMMISSIONS BY LORDS-LIEUTENANT. Herefordshire Regiment of Militia—Ensign Frederick Aldrich to be Lieutenant, vice John Harwood Griffiths/ promoted ; Ensign Edward Napleton Cheese to be Lieu tenant, vice Edward Williams, promoted; Ensign Henry Wood Willett to be Lieutenant, vice Thomas Baskerville Mynors, resigned. Royal Carnarvonshire Militia—Henry lineeshaw, Gent., to be Ensign. East Suffolkßegiment of Militia Artillery Corps —Howard Whitbread, Esq., to be Captain. Ist Devon Regiment of Militia —Thomas Welby Ncrth more, to be Ensign; Richard Anson Brine to be Lieute nant, vice Yates, resigned ; John Charles David Agar to be Ensign, vice, Brine, promoted; Thomas Dimond Hogg to be Captain, vice Webber, resigned; John Tyrrell to be Ensign ; George Augustus Pollard to be Ensign. Royal London Militia —Ensign Augustus Newton to be Lieutenant, vice Arthur Cumming Thomas Brown, pro moted ; Ensign Frederick Richard Fortnu Keats to be Lieutenant, vice Frede rick Peto, promoted ; m and Ensi Thurlby Smith to be Lieutenant, vice Thomas William Andrews, promoted. 2d Regiment (Light Infantry) of West York Militia— Ensign Eugene Thomas Curzon Whitten to be Lieutenant, vice Wynne, w ho retires ; Ensign William Whitaker to be Lrsicrneut Jeonhuanti; Ensign Albert Darley to be Lieutenant ; En sign Daniel to be Lieutenant. 81 -Worcestershire Regiment of Militia—Captain Chas. S. H aw kins to be Second Major; Captain Thos C. N. Nor- bury, late Captain 6th Dragoon Gul irdfi, to be Senior Major, vice Edward Winnington, resigned ; Lieut. Ernest Peel to be Captain, vice Norbury, Rromotee.; Ensign Geo. Coulson Childs to be Lieutenant, vice Augustus Bolle de Lasalle, resigned ; Lieut. John Vallee Monekton, late Ist West York Rifles, to be Lieutenant, vice J. L.'Vivian, resigned ; Wm. Henry Howes, jun., Gent., to be Ensign, vice A. H. Garland, promoted. BANKRUPTS. Thomas Isaac James Sloper, oilman, St. Marylebone, to surrender July 26, at half-past two, and Aug. 17, at half past eleven, at the Court of BankrUptcy. Alfred Bower Blenkarn, merchant, Fenchurch-street, City, July 25, at eleven 9 and Aug. 29, at twelve, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Thomas Robert Dobson, tailor and draper, Colchester, July 26, at half-past twelve, and Aug. 17, at two, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Henry Oppenheim, timber merchant, Old-street-road, July 25, at half-past twelve, and Aug. 24, at twelve, at the Court of Bankruptcy. SCOTCH BANKRUPT. George Genie, cabinetmaker, Leith. BANK OF ENGLAND. An Account, pursuant to the Act 7th and Bth Victoria, cap. 32, for the week ending on Wednesday, the 13th day of July, 1859 : _ . ISSUE DEPARTMENT. Notes issued £31,813,055 Government Debt £11,015,100 Other Securities; .. 3,459,900 Gold Coin & Bullion 17,338,055 Silver Bullion .... 431,813,055 X 31,813,055 BANKING DJ Proprietors' Capi tal £14,553,000 Rest Public,Deposits (in cluding Exche quer, Savings' Banks, Commis mis stoners ot Na tional Debt, and Dividend Ac counts) 4,871,793 Other Deposits 16,364,798 Seven Day and other Bills 863,207 r.PARTMINT. Government Seen- rities (including Dead Weight A nnuity) 111,420,980 Other Securities 17,802,911 Notes Gold and Silver Coin 603,736 439,927,852 M. I 539,927,852 [ARSHALL, Chief Cashier. Dated July 11,1859. AVERAGE PRICE OF SUGAR. The Average Price of Brown or Muscovado Sugar, corn puted from Returns made in the week ending the 12th day of July, 1859, exclusive of the duties of Customs paid or payable thereon, on the importation thereof into Great Britain : Per cwt. From the British possessions in America 26s 51d Muscovado, the produce of the Mauritius 24s lid Muscovado, the produce of the East Indies 30s Od Average price of the foregoing 26s lid COUNTRY MARKETS. LIVERPOOL-JULY 15. Our market was exceedingly dull this morning, and only a small number of buyers made their appearance. The quo. tations may be noted the same as .his day week for both wheat and flour. Indian corn attracted a fair inquiry, and held firmly. All other kirids scarcely looked at. WAKEFIELD-JULY 15. The wheat trade still inactive, and business limited, the quotations for fresh parcels being 2s per qr. lower. For chambered lots not much doing. Beans, oats, and shelling a shade lower. Barley nominal. Wheat, per qr. of 8 bushels 601 b., Essex, Suffolk, and Kent, white, old, 48s to 52s ; new, 48s to 53s ; ditto, red, old, 42s to 465; new, 42s to 468 ; Lincolnshire and York shire white, new, 44s to 50s ; red 40e to 455. . _ Averages for the week : Wheat .1,678 qrs., a t 46s Old Beans -- " "....44..--s Od Barley — ' „ • ..r ..—s 041 Peas "es .-- ” ' eiree... -- 11 Od Oats lO " ........28a Od Rye - " .....44..--s Od EXETER—JuLT 15.- The business was extremely dull to-day at the following -prices : Wheat, white.. 5s Od to 5s 3d I Barley.. 3s 9d to 4s Od Ditto red 4s 3d to 4s 6d Oats ....... 3s Od to 3s 3d Flour, fine, 36s to 325; seconds, 29s to 30: per sack. CATTLE—The market was fairly supplied with stock. A moderate attendance of farmers. Pork carcases in small supply. Fat beef,p score,9s6d to 1036 d Ewes, per lb .... scl to 54d Pork carcases, doBs Od to 8s 6d Wethers, d 0.... . . 6d to 64d Lambs, per 1b..... 61d to 7d Fat calves, d0....51d to 6d Rough fat, 4id per lb. BRISTOL SUGAR-JULY 15. There has been a fair demand here for sugars this week, several parcels of West India having found buyers, at prices which were not previously obtainable ; in floating cargoes, also, a large amount of business is reported, chiefly in Brazils and Havannahs, at steady rates. Refiners' pro duce of all descriptions continues to find buyers at full prices. Rum is still neglected, and lower in value. COAL MARE (Prices of Coal per Ton at s. d. 1 :ET—JULY 15. the close of the market.) Walla End. Howard's West Hart- ley 15 6 Buddle's West Hartleyl6 0 %Vylam 15 6 Eden Main 15 9 Haswell l7 6 Keiper Grange l6 6 Russell's Hetton 15 9 Nixon's Duffryn 21 6 Powell'aDuffrynSteam2l 0 ,101—Sold, 83. .• ___ ___ Hetton 17 6 Braddyll's Hetton 16 0 South Hetton 17 3 71.1 Hartlepool. l7 0 Hetton. Lyons Main l5 3 South Kelloe l6 6 Walls End. Tees l7 6 1 Heugh Hall 15 6 South Hartlepool 16 0 Whitworth . 6 Kelloe l6 Ships at markel [AnvErrisEmENT.]—Thorley's Food for Cattle is now besinning to seriously attract the attention of the farmer, breeder, and feeder of stock. Two years of unremitting care and attention have enabled its inventor to 'take high ground as a benefactor to these interests ; and notwithstand ing the many drawbacks, the malevolent shafts hurled against it and its probable utility, the food, from its admitted value, will become a necessity to the agricultural interest. Experience has proved, first, that it effects a considerable saving in the consumption of provender; s econdly, that it produces health an d vig o u r in all animals subjected to its influence : and lastly, increases in a remarkable degree an early development of fat. Mr. Thorley, originating this singularly efficacious food, aimed at a compound calculated to supersede, to a certain extent, the tedious and expensiVe mode then prevailing of fattening stall-fed beasts. In this he happily succeeded ; and success prompted a very natural d escr iption of domestic animal. Th e Eng desire to improve upon the invention , so as to make it ap plicable to every fish farmer was slow to encourage its use, and manifested an unwillingness to rely upon its efficacy, fancying he possessed in the produce of his farm, ample materials whereby to feed and fatten his cattle at a cheaper rate than by the employment or addition of artificial food. The tests to which this food has been subjected have proved its perfect admissibility as a cheap addition to the natural produce of the farm; inasmuch as in all cases a subtraction of one-third may be safely submitted to in the usual food of animals ; and that the produce will be realised, and rendered marketable in two-thuds of the time usually consumed in developing fat ; it, therefore, becomes apparent that a certain saving is effected by dfair application of Thorley's Compounded Food. It is believed that the present unprecedented low price of *heat has induced its -very gene.• ral use, in preference to any other of the usual articles of food; it is, however, much questioned whether wheat is a nourishing and proper food for the working horse, certainly it is not for cows or pigs. Mr. Thorley's Food, besides possessing the Advantage of greatly invigorating the health and increasing the physical power of all animals, is a tonic and gentle stimulant, and when mixed with their other food, materially assists their digestive powers—a matter of great consequence, since it is an undoubted fact that the nourishment contained in their ordinary food is lost, conse quent upon the impaired or defective action of the digestive organs ; it will also be found to be particularly beneficial in restoring to good working condition horses which have been over-worked, or become weak from •disease, or are naturally of a feeble constitution. In COWS its effects are undoubted, indeed almost marvellous, nearly doubling the yield of milk and butter, whilst it at the same time enriches the quality of both. In pigs its fattening qualities are still more remarkable, displaying in a few weeks its manifest superiority over every . other kind of compound or manu factured food adopted in the feeding of swine. Such has been its marked success, that at all our great cattle shows, Royalty, noblemen, and others who have fed their cattle on Thorley's Food, have invariably carried off the principal Prizes w hilst cards of commendation have been awarded. the patrmage of Royalty, of our, principal nobility, the clergy, and of our leading agriculturists, mint prow) A great incitement to this gentleman to pursue his onward course ; and he may confidently rely, in producing to highly-favoured a 'compound, on a continuation of, suck high n d distinguished patronage. BIRTHS. BARRETT.—On the 11th inst., at East Dulwich,' the Wife of Henry Barrett, of a daughter. DALDY.—On the 14th init., at Cyoydon, Mrs. F. R. Dalo'l of a daughter. LILLIE.—On the 14th inst., at 13, Talbot-square, Hyde park, the: ife of the Rev. J. Lillie, D.D., of i daughter. MAcLEom—On the 12th inst., at Invergerdon Castle, Ross-shire, the wife of R. B. Macleod, Esq. ) of Cad boll, of a daughter. MARK lAGES. c owA ,N—PurrcuAnD.—On the 14th inst., at St. Jude's, Southeeo., Michael W. Cowan, Esq., M.D., R.N., t° Boma Louisa, youngest daughter of the late Comman der J. W. Pritchard, R.N. HALE-0113nIEN.—On the 14th inst., at Broxbourne Church, W. P. Hale, Esq., of the Middle Te m pl e , eldest eon of the Yen. the Archdeacon of London, to Mary, the younicer daughter Of the late Rear-Admiral D. Henchi O'Bnen, of House, Hoddesdon, Herts. DEATIII3. CARVER.—On the 13th inst., at Bath, Edward B. Stirlirg Carver, Esq., aged 32. COOMBES.—On the 14th inst., Mr. James Coombes, 01 Hardwick-place, Commercial-road, aged 68. EDWARDS.—On the 12th inst., at Padstcw, Cornwall, Ed wards, Esq., Commander, R.N., aged 78. GRIFFITR.—On the 12th inst., at Bath, the Rev. Edwara Griffith, M.A., aged 92. HAYS.—On the 12th inst., at Leicester, John Hays, Es'l aged 84. MANTELL.—On the 12th inst., at his residence, Green' park, Bath, George Mantell, M.D., late of Farringdo* Berks, aged 70. SIMPSON.—On the 12th inst., at Cheltenham, Lieut.-C° l ' James Simpson, late H.E.1.C.5., aged 81. YARDE.—On the 14th inst., at Scarborough, John Yard Esq., of Tunbridge House, Crediton, Devon, aged 67• LONDON : Printed and Published by KURD() yol.J. of No. 112, Strand, Printer, at The Sus O ffi ce, No. 11 1 Strand, in the Precinct of the Savoy, in tha count,' • Middlesex, Saturday, July 16, 1869. 1