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tlaozity. He only knew two men e w t h o om au 111) in iri th t e ° ta f i Q n be nt d ry iej O e f he could moot say they were those, sequi mallent." into retare maps quam si qui x"anciatawhen they get an order, con tawny of those gentlemen, out a report ag ainst eider and discuss it, and ;A length sen d on order, an order which ought to have been executed long before. He believed •the substitution of the name of the crown would in this respect hive a great effect. (Hear, hear.) Even under present circumstances the evil was less than under the old system of appointment to the civil ser 'ice by the directors. When there was a close connection between officers and the individual members of the board, they often ventured to disobey an order, especially if the Governot..General was not popular with the court, especial;; that they would be protected at home. (Hear.) He be lieved a change of system, and the i n t r oduction of the queen's name, would be particularly gratifying to the na tive princes. He would venture to suggest to her Majesty's Government that they should set aside for future mature consideration the details of a general measure for altering the relations between the Board of Directors and the army, and content themselves with a simple measure to provide for the Hee of the Quiceu' s name in the a d t m so lui t alterations, the government, with a few not veryl i m e po w r aye looked with necessary corollaries to t Ito c han g e " t to e xtemporise constituti ons; Great distrust on any atte,AlP nmade constitutions men time and God's providence ' la° h e ht they could thro w ; ff With self-su ffi cient arrogance' of th • o w. constitutions to make happ, millions their fello • creatures, but they were kafflea by the providence which despised their infinite smallness.' In the Indian govern ment there was much more of p.nactice than of law ; any attempt to carry out the law wool, 'I bring the government to a standstill. Mr. Dundee, whet_. , .he found his measure would not work, adopted the system that he found. To make k good government they should look to the practice of former times much more than to an V endeavour to make ab perfect constitution. The Court of Directors, in their petition, described a perfect council of In 'din, and than said, We ourselves are the great and noble a aodel, such as an able President of the Board of Control weuld desire." The council which he would suggest Ls aid the Presi dent of the Board of Control or SecretazY of 3tate ' as the case might be, should be elective, Read might poa nese an enlarged constituency, and ihoiala contain re presentatives not only of each presidency, but of each material branch of administration in each presidency. Bat before that was done he did trust time WOI tld be given for consideration, so that they would b e ei nabled so to alter and improve the Government that it should tend to what they all desired to found—ea eternal empire in India. (Cheers.) Lora A.BINGER said that so far as he could understand the plan of the Government, it was to &vacillate the Board of Contral to the system of administration pursued in other colonies. He could not but look on such a change with suspicion. Let them look to the history of radix for the last century and a-half, and compare its rise in pro sperity and greatness with the fate of other colonies rimier the undiluted system of colonial government. During that period the Colonial-office had lost the North Amerieac colonies, driven Canada to rebellion, "and excited them to war at the Cape ; it appeared to him that if this system ' was to be introduced into the government of India, the loss of India was inevitable. Probably many causes con curred to produce the present calamitous state of India ; but no one he thought could doubt that the annexation of Owls was the proximate cause of the existing state of things. Was that annexation the act of the Governor- General or the Board of Control, or the joint act of the Board of Control and the Court of Directors? He pro. fused entire ignorance - and the public were in ignorance on the subject, and yet it was of importance that they should know the real facts in order to arrive at a right decision as to the cause of these calamities. He hoped the Government would, for this reason, countenance the pro duction of this correspondence. The annexation of the Punjaub and Pegu were carried into execution with great ability and facility, but it did not follow from this that the annexation of Oude would be equally,successfal. The noble lord concluded by moving for the correspondence between the Court of Directors, the Board of Control, and the late Governor-General of India, relating to the annexa tion of Gude; and the correspondence between the said board and the directors on the same subject. Earl STALNELOP.E said he did not rise for the purpose of opposing the motion, but on a point of order. He wished to knew whether the petition that had been presented by the noble earl—the merits of which in point of style and ability Ter: admitted both by him and the noble duke— should not be printed for the general information of the house. He begged to suggest to the Government that the petitic n be painted and circulated for the use of their lordships. Earl GRANVILLE said there was a doubt about the Tule of the house on the point, but the rule generally fol lowed was, petitions should not be printed, and there was the less occasion for it on the present occasion because there was no member of the house who would not have the peti tion in print, if he had not had it already. With regard to the subject generally, he would not enter upon it in the present state of the house, and even if it had been full:r, be should not feel any great necessity for doing so, after the singularly able and temperate speech of the noble duke. If that were the proper time, however, there were some arguments of the noble earl (Grey) which he thought he could conflate, and some of his facts which he could show to bewithout foundation, as, for instance, the statement that , the A ff ghan w ar h a d been disapproved of by the Court ef Directors. [Earl Grey here made an observation which did not reach the gallery.] His noble friend, how over, with his usual good sense, did not concur in the only prayer of the petition, namely, that there should be an in quiry.. If there was to be any change at all, he was of opinkna that the sooner it took place the better. lire was extremely glad to hear from the noble earl opposite, whose remarks were of great importance and deserved the utmost consideration of the house, the declaration that nothing would have greater effect in India at the present moment than he Queen's name. He could not conceive anything more . lesirable and seasonable than that at the moment of Incipient pacification,measures should be taken here which the nc,ble earl told them would have the most soothing effect on the whole population of India, ensure the more ready obedience of European subjects there, and be grate ful to the native princes of India. (Hear, hear.) This was th e reason why her Majesty's Government thought it MeCeIND try to bring a measure before the house. They thougl it it right, not as was generally supposed, to change the wl sole government of India —but to introduce a roes cure ha. the simplification of that government by the in troduction of the Queen's name, and altering a system Thigh in. theory and practice was admitted to be most faulty. He hoped both houses of Parliament would well weigh tine alternative—either of carrying this measure, Which news not to destroy the India House, but to remove the Court of Directors, retaining the services of such men os the nedole earl opposite referred to, and affording the people cif India the advantage of being governed in the ti.neelfe name, or of having the government of India still condatct4 Kl by that company, after the clamour which had been run ed against it—after it had been condemned in a long and, matured speech by the leader of the Conservative par,ty in the other house—and after the opinions which La 4 been delivered by the best folloween of Sir R. Peel. He could not conceive anything more calculated to create an injurious impression in the minds of the people of In dia, and on the subjects of the crown in India, than that Sort of daisy which would leave ambiguity existing as to the fat' ire government of India, and the measures of the govern went open to attacks on all sides. The Earl of DERBY said the state of the house was certainly not such as to encourage a continuation of the diseuse ion, but, still he was induced to rise by the state ment which had jest been made by the noble earl opposite. Be must s;sy that if it was the intention of her Majesty's Government to do nothing more on the present occasion than what, was stated by the noble earl—though at the present ti me and under existing circumstances he did not mean to say it world be judicious even to do that— but if It relay were the intention of her Majesty's Government to make a mere alteration of form, and not one of substance In the government of India, they kept the country and the East India Company in the most profound ignorance, and created unnecessary alarm by the intimation which they gave to the East India Company that it was their inten tion to abolish the double government of India. Could any man suppose, after such an intimation, that the inten tion of her Majesty's government was to do nothing more than make an alteration in point of form—that the exietin4 state of things was to be left untouched, with this diffaret cc only, that the government of India was to be condueied in the name of the Crown and not of the Com rally? If this was all that was really intended in the first anstanos, her Majesty's government must be fit subjects for a lunatic asylum in not explaining their views more clearly to the East India Company. When her Majesty, in the speech from. the throne, told them that the affairs of India would require their serious consideration, and recom mended them to their serious attention, did the govern ment intend to move for a committee, or were they going to legislate on their own responsibility ? Neither the East India Company nor the country could say what they were going t o do. In a short time, however, they gave notice that they were g oing to do away with the double govern ment ; and whn the East India Company very naturally asked what the government were going to substitute for it, the government replied, " We have told you that we are going to do away with the double eovernment , but what the* government have in contempl ation it will be time enough for you to know when parliament meets." If they meant to do nothing more than what they were now given to Understand it was their intention to do, he must say they created great and unnecessary alarm, and treated the Emit India Company with the greatest want of courtesy. If the Mean "e was to be an i ns ignificant and formalone they should have told the E ast In dia Company teat fact, which would have removed a eat deal of the apprehension which prevailed. Eat the real f a ct was, they did not know them mindsha they w ere before parliament do . t They had not made up their tabu's to an extensive me asurern They then made up their met. They which they expected the Bald India Company woul d submit, but finding the diffi culties greater thin they expected, they now seemed to fall batik from their original intention ; and he was prepared to guit aontovmetelaisure brought forward see a Lima - able and insi ear, hear.) en the part of her Majesty immediate He did not anticipate the immemnseent.aLd(rill Ellen advantage which his noble friend (the boron Ii) looked for from the substituAttioanu o ev f e o t n fi t e s name of he Queen for that of the company. they that were so or not, it was most unfortunate th'at her Ilajestra government should have taken upon themselves to - introduce at this moment, and under present circura! stain:ea any change at all. (Hear.) If the state of India were ss,ch as his noble friend opposite described ; if India vete h deed in a state of incipient pacification; if peace were la stored, and our supremacy re-established, he could %lidera and that great advantage might arise from the in troduction of the Queen's name as the dispenser of mercy and the restorer of concord. Bat he was sure the govern ment deceived themselves and the public if they persuaded themselves, or sought to persuade the country, that they hid an ived at that stage in which it could he said that our victory was complete, and that paci fication had commenced. For hie owu part, whether the measure was great or small, be deprecated the introduction of such a question and the rising of differences between her Majesty's government and Cie East India Company at the present moment. The circumstances were sufficiently grave, the position sufficiently difficult, and the state of affairs sufficiently eiitical, to engross the whole and undivided attention of the government and the East India Company for the pur pose of putting down the existing revolt, and restoring the supremacy of the crown and the company ; and yet it was at snob a moment, and u nder such circumstances, t hat her Majesty's government thought fit to introduce a su bj ec t Which was sure to exc ite differences, and distract the at tention of the government an d the East India Company from that common, prompt, a nd energetic action which was required to restore tranqu i li ty to India. (Hear.) It appeared perfect madness to raise the question at this time. He understood from the noble earl that the mea stare was one of a much less serious character than was supposed; but any measure regarding the governme n t of India would require serious and mature deliberation ; but he believed the public was not then prepared for a measure of this kind, not was that the period in which it could be safely and propel ly introduced. The motiox w 1 s then agreed to, and their lordships ad journed at Irafqx tat 8. 110IISE COMMONS.—(YESTARDAT.) The SPEAKER t OD• k the chair at 4 o'clock, rim s 'ATE BUSINESS. On the motion i`or ti t le second readi ng of th e R o y a l Mail Steam Pack et and ]European and Australian Royal Mail Company's Bill, Mr. MACARFNEY complained that the post-office service to Australia had been taken from the Peninsular a .na Oriental Steam Navigation, and given to the Euro , t an and Australian Royal Mail Steam-packet Company, greatly increased amiount of contract, but which they ha , d been utterly unable to carry out, and wished other companies to take the contract off their hands, which the refused to do, although they had aided them by the Joan of their vessels- Aft er a few words from Mr. H. BIBEELET, in confirroation, the bill was read a second time. NEW WRITS. On the motion of Mr. HAYTER a new writ wag granted fur Wicklow (County) in the room of Lord MP ton, called to the Upper House as Lord Fitzwilliam. PAILLIA-MrNTARY REFORM. Mr. J. _BRIGHT presented a petition from Bir mingham pra bag for Parliamentary Reform. jCJYERNMENT OFFICES. Mr. TITE asiced the First Commissioner of Works ps ha d beep taken with reference to th e p ro . posed what tes new Government offices at Downing -street ? Sir B. HALL itaid the Government was limited to the small site grantod by the bill of 1855, between D own ing-street on the North, and Crown-street on the south. A correspondence bad taken place on the sub ject between the Foreign-offioe and the Treasury, which Government would lay upon table, if it were moved for. It was proper to erect a Foreign-office there. Mr. TITE thee moved for the cooespondence, which was granted. THE Se, LONDON, F RIDAI I 7 _E NO, FEBRUARY 12, 1858 PETITIONS. Several petitions were presented relative to the pro. posed change in the Government of India. SALARIES OF EXCISE OFFICERS. Mr. DIVETT asked the Secretary to the Treasury whether memorials had been received in his department from different classes of Excise officers for an improve ment in their position and salaries ; and what course the Government intended to pursue with relation to the same ? Mr. WILSON said that petitions had been received by the Treasury from 2,049 Officers of Inland Revenue for an increase of salary. Their complaints had been inquired into, and a Treasury minute had been framed on it,, on which the estimates would be framed. He complained of the agitation that had taken place on the subject, k .'od the mode in which it had been adopted. itORTALITY IN THE ARMY. Mr. LAUNIE asked the Under Secretary for War what steps wen, to be taken to remedy the great mor tality of the army, especially of the Foot Guards, the report of the eomosi,lsioners recently presented proving that two-thirds of the deaths were from consumption and other diseases in consequence of the crowded state of the barracks of the met:opolis. Lord PALMERSTON said the commission of inquiry to which the subject was referred had made a most valuable report, but too recently for any steps to be adopted in reference to it. The matter was, however, far too important to the country to remain long without due attention from the Government. (Hear, hear.) Mr. LAURIE asked when hon. members would be supplied with copies of the report Lord PALMERSTON said shortly. It was in the hands of the printer. MINISTER OF JUSTICE, Mr. EWART inquired of the First Lord of the Treasury, whether any measure was in contemplation for the appointment of a Minister of Justice; or for the establishment of a system of public prosecution, in ac ew:d..L.,;..; ne.:::llten'.lat: , ,n of the lzte Colemittee of the House of Common,. Lord PALMERSTON said the question of appointing a Minister ofJustice was surrounded with much difficulty. The model on which it was proposed to establish such an office performed functions and possessed power incompa tible with the principles of the British Constitution. Steps were being taken to carry into effect the establishment of a public prosecutor. Mr. S. NA,RREN asked if the necessary steps had been taken to establish a department of justice. Lord PALMERSTON said the matter was under discussion, but it was surrounded with so many dififical ties that he was unable to say when he would be able to submit a measure for the consideration of the house. Mr. EWART asked if steps had been taken for the appointment of a department for the improvement of legal legis'ation ? Lord PALMERSTON said that he hoped shortly to make arrangements for the establishment of a system by which a more correct wording of bills passing through Parliament might be effected TURNPIKE BARS ROUND THE METROPOLIS, Mr. BYNG asked the First Lord of the Treasury,. any and what steps bad been taken, according to - the pledge given last session, to inquire into the practioability of removing the turnpike gates and bars round the me• tropolis I Lord PALMERSTON said ne steps bad yet been taken, from the conflicting interests involved in the question. CHINA. Lord JOHN RUSSELL gave notice that he should, to-morrow, on the motion of adjournment, ask the First Lord of the Treasury what instructions were given to Lord Elgin previous to his departure for China. What the terms were it was said the noble lord had proposed to China, and if they had been refused. ARMY ESTIMATES. Sir J. RA MSDEN laid the army estimates on the ,able of the house, which were ordered to be printed. JOINT-STOCK BANKS. Mr. HEADLIM moved for leave to introduce a bi; to abolish the distinction between joint stock banks and other joint stock companies, with reference to the liabi lity of their partners. The hen, and learned gentleman reviewed the laws relative to banking, and his speech to a great extent was a repetition of his former statements on this question. The practical result of their legislation on this subject had been that, during the late panic, although all kinds of theories had been put forward with respect to monetary affairs, he had not seen one sugges tion that we should retrace our steps, and again return to the principle of ur.limited liability in opposi tion to that of limited liability. The principle that had worked so well with reference to joint-stock companies might with propriety be extended to banks. He considered it unnecessary to send the subject to a committee before legislating on it, because all the facts in reference to it were patent to all, and generally admitted elicitsd principally un der the partnership commission appointed about six years since. It was desirable that these banks should publish their accounts, and the effect of his bill would be not to place restrictions on these banks, but give them facilities for conducting efficiently their business. If his views had been adopted in 1848, we should not have bad so mrny commercial disasters in 1857, and unless they adopted them now they would be repealed in ano ther crisis in 1868. His sole object in pressing this bill upon the house was the prevention' of so many disasters as had just occurred when another crisis happened, which past experience showed them recurred at certain intervals. Mr. SLANEY seconded the motion. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said this was the second time this subject had been introduced to the notice of the house this session by the hon. and learned gentleman. On the first occasion the house re fused on a division to agree to the question, it being of a specific nature. Now the hoc, gentleman had changed his motion, and asked leave only for the introduction of the bill, which he (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) would not oppose. The hon. and learned member did not appear to make a proper distinction of banks of issue and banks of deposit. He thought the note-holder should be deprived of unlimited liability, but with re gard to deposits it was different because with the latter it was a matter of contract and it was the duty of the depositor to use proper caution before entering into it. The former might be said not to have much practical choice in holding notes of issue, from his being called often to take country and other notes in payment from debtors, and he accepted them on the faith that the credit of the bank was good. Mr. BAXTER expressed his satisfaction at the con- ' sent of the Government to the introduction of this bill. Undue confidence and caution had been placed in these banks, from the fact of the unlimited liability of the shareholders, which induced many of them to carry on a larger business than their capital warranted. It had greatly contributed to the distress of the late commer cial crisis. Mr. HANKEY said he considered the Chancellor of ;he Exchequer had acceded to the principle of the bill. After some further discussion, leave was given to in troduce the bill. EDUCATION (ENGLAND.) Sir J. PAKINGTON rose to move the following reso7u tion :—" That an humble address be presented to her Ma. jesty, that she will be graciously pleased to issue a commis sion to inquire into the present state of popular education in England, and whether the present system is or is not suffi cient for its object; and to consider and report what changes, if any, are required for the extension of sound and cheap cletaentary instruction to all classes of the people." He said he Was Personally reluctant again to invite the attention of th e I T" to the question of national education, and he hoped the house had to hear _ use would believe that in doing so he was only actuated by a sense of public d ,• • that though this"' uty. He well knew the disinc 'nation by th . Bunt, pers a subject repeatedly brought forward but he trusted they would bear in mind the highest sense sense ' it fellow-subject Inmostsubmit it was a subject directly affecting in bealing i n a party w s as no Party subject, nor of any political val of a newly-eleeted Horse of numerous . ar.d helpless class of our o h f r e Commons, ?reposition h f e e ther sh ou should pnroot enter into a detailed sta 1 3 , : i nent as formerly, with a view to establish the educational deficiency that exist: d in this coun try. The statements he had forth on a former occasion with respect t o o . that oii deficiency contra dicted,e t n ase his argument f present ien occasion neer t b : deficiency on them. On a goarrzer occasion he referred to the of Preston, amongst them to the a , l ai Rev,n 8 fir o f statements statement of of theehClay, 40 per cent, of the prisoners comrnitted rston, who stated that ignorant of the name of our Saviour, ane7Pfrrestonigaol were cent. were ignorant of the came of the Queer 11 6 e 0 al o 7° per the ignorance of an immense number of the children in London workhouses, as well as those in the workhn ou s se n the Birmingham, Manchester, and other large places, obtained from from the official statements of the inspectors of schools. The Dean of Hereford also spoke of the great ignorance that existed in Bath and Wells, Wiltshire, and other place s , an d as they had not been contradicted he (Sir J. Pakington) had a right to say they were correct. That rev. gentleman often lamented the ignorance that prevailed both in the rural districts and the towns, the want of schools, anti the illeffi. ciency of those in existence. He had been asked what was the necessity of a commission of inquiry, when all the infor mation they desired was to be found in the reports of the Government inspector—but his answer was that he needed no stronger evidence in support of an inquiry than the re ports themselves. The first report he called attention to, contained in the blue-book of last year, was that of the Rev. Mr. Stewart, the Government inspector for Cambridgeshire, Huntingdonshire, Bedfordshire, Hertfordshire, and Bucking hamshire, at pages 446 and. 447, wherein he spoke of the dif ficulty that existed in remote agricultural districts for the advaneement of education, and the insufficiency of the Go vernment grants for the demands of the various districts re. quiring help. The Rev, Mr. Wood, the Government inspec tor for Berkshire, gave a similar statement; and Mr; Mit chell, the Government inspector for Norfolk, Suffolk, and Essex, reported that out of 205 schools, 41 were excellent, 35 were so bad that it would be a great aivantage to stop them, and 129 were more or less efficient—some progressing, others retrograding. He did not know how the Government proposed to meet his motion, but he had based it on the re ports of their inspectors, whom he presumed were trust worthy, and would no t be contradicted or disputed by the Government, (Hear.) In his (Sir J. Pakington's) own neigh bourhood, Mr. Bellair expressed his regret at the partial ex tent of education there. In very many places, both in town and country the schools were inefficient, and it was much to be desired that an inquiry should take place into the edu cational deficiencies of the country, from the statements being so vague and contradictory that it was almost impossible to arrive at a proximation of the truth. The right hon. baronet read a letter he had that morning received from the Rev. Dlr. Stone, of Bethnal-green, stating that a school in the new parish of St. James's, Bethnal-green, for 200 boys, had been obliged to be closed for two years for want of funds,'and there was no chance of its being re-opened. In reference to the funds of schools, Mr. Watkins, inspector o f Y or k , on a former occasion, stated that he had divided England into twenty-two educational districts, and there were only two out of that where the expenditure did not exceed the income, In 1855-56 the excess of expenditure over income was 6 per cent. and in 1856.57 it had increased to 7 or 8 per cent. Another point which attracted attention was the early age at which children left school—an overwhelming proportion of them were under 10 years of age, and what was worse the number increased from year to year. From a return furnished him by the Secretary to the Educational Board, he found that the children at school, above 10 years of age from 1850 to 1857 inclusive, was 37 and a fraction per cent. ; in 1852 it was 39 and a fraction, but every other year it had decrea- ecl until it had sunk from 37 and a fraction to 27 and a fraction. From " Johnson's Atlas of Physical Geography," he found that:out of a list of 17 countries, showing the estimated per centage of the population between 7 and 14 years of age re ceiving instruction in those different countries, he was sorry to find England stood tenth on the list—(hear)—the highest was Saxony, where, within a slight fraction, the whole of the children of the above ages wer e a t school. In the United States and New England, they were 95 per cent ; in Holland 91 per cent. ; and then came Prussia, Switzerland, Denmark, Sweden and Norway, Belgium, Austria, and then England, which only amounted to 45 per cent. The same contrast was presentelby other portions of our own country, for Scotland stands very far above England in that respect. In Canada an admirable system of education existed, and in Australia the people were most anxious to establish a sound system of education that should reach all parts of the population, The question of education was regarded less within the walls of that house than any part of the kingdom which he attributed to their being too prone to devote their attention to party struggles than to direct their attention to those matters that only affected the welfare and interests of the people apart from such party struggles. (Hear, hear.) A strong feeling was entertained out of doors on the question, not by noisy politicians, who were striving to promote political changes, but an important class of persons who constituted public opinion on this question, and to which he deferred ; in support of which he referred to the educa tional conference held last summer, and presided over by Prince Albert, for the devising means for preventing children leaving school at an early ago. He (Sir J. Pakington) believed they must look to the half-time system for a remedy both in towns and agricultural distriets. He considered it could be carried out successfully, and he alluded to its adoption by the hon, member for Nottingham and Lord Hatherton in the country districts. He also appealed to the noble lords (Rus sell and Stanley), and also to the hon. members for Hudders field in reference to the interest expressed in the question of education, at a meeting for the promotion of social science, presided over by Lord Brougham, If he had established that the educational state of the country was unsatisfactory, and out of doors great interest was felt in the question, he wasjustified in asking the house to join him in his endeavour to solve this difficult question ; and then arose the question in what manner it could best be done. In asking for an in quiry into the subject, he did not consider he was departing from his former expressed opinion that the house was compe tent to do so ; but it was perfectly clear the Government were not disposed to do so, as he thought they ought (and in say. ing that he begged to remark that he was not censuring the Government, because any other Government would feel equally indisposed to do so.) (Hear.) In 1855 and 1857 he attempted to legislate on the question, but he failed from acci dental causes. In 1855 he was unable to go to a division and take the sense of the house en the question from want of time, and in 1857 he was prevented by the dissolution of Par liament. But in the intervening year the noble lord the member for London brought forward his bill, which was de feated, more from feelings of opposition and prejudice rather than reason and argument, He believed that had tke house gone to a division, though the pricciples were sound, they would have been defeated. As the question now stood there was no immediate prospect of legislation, and the question was, whether they should lean it as it now was, or whether they might fairly and reasonably expect that the present sys tem under the Committee of Council and grants of Parlia ment, would so grow and expand that they might look to that system as sufficient for the educational requirements of the country. He was as conscious as any man could be of the great advantages derived from the Committee of Council, and had hailed with satisfaction their grants, and the extent to which they had fostered and encouraged education. In 1856 the noble lord the member for London said it was not the ob ject of those who founded the system of the committee of council that that system should supersede all local efforts, but that it should rather form a nucleus of an educational move ment, In that statement ho (Sir J. Pakington) concurred : but he still considerd it questionable whether that system could be carried much further. He believed that for the future the amount of the grant would be increased by 100,0001,, but if the system was to be extended, the number of inspectors would have greatly to be increased. Would not this augmen tation lead to centralisation ? (Hear, hear, from Mr. Henley,) He doubted whether the powers of the committee of council were not greater now than they ought to be. The expenditure of so large a sum of money, spread over so largo an area, must inevitably, he thought, baffie a proper supervision. Minute and complicated arrangements connected with the distribution of the grant would not work advantageously. The present system ho might characterise as half a system, and he should like to see it more nearly approximated to the poor-law sys tem, into which local superintendence largely entered. In quiry, he contended, was desirable on these grounds, but it was also called for by reason of the length of time which had elapsed since the question of publio education had been the subject of Parliamentary inquiry. There had been inquiry in 1818 at the instance of Lord Brougham, whose exertions deserved all praise. Inquiry was also made in 1834-5 ; but since 1852, when a committee sat on the Manchester and Sal ford Bill, public investigation had not taken place. The last committee had dealt rather with a subject of local than of national importance. Believing that inquiry was loudly called for, he had the alternative of a commission or of a committee. By asking for a committee he might, perhaps, have obtained a greater share in directing its deliberations, and pressing them forward; but the collection of evidence was a matter in volving considerable time, and all such inquiries were more or less tinged with the opinions and views of individual mem bers. A commission, on the ether hand, wou ld prosecute its labours with the assistance of Government. There was a con siderable analogy between the reference to the Poor-law Com mission of 1833 and that which he now asked the house to grant. Much advantvge had arisen from the former commis sion, the Government of the day having immediately founded a measure of lasting benefit upon its report. The only differ ence between the former commission and the ono ho asked was that the former was the spontaneous.aet of the Minister of the Crown, whilst the present commission was asked by one not an habitual supporter of the Government of the day. Ho hoped the Government would rise superior to any considera tion of this kind, and that they would grant, in the great in terests of popular education, the commission. (Ch eers. ) Lord STANLEY second e d the motion, Mr. HARDY complimented the right honourable baronet the member for Droitwich upon the moderation which had marked his speech ; but the real question at issue was, whether the present system of education had gradually advanced that boon in the country, and whether as much progress had been made as (*aid reasonably be expected. He believed that education had ramified of late years, and that in proportion as the educating class improved the con dition of the poorer classes would also improve. The present commissioners of education were obtaining more knowledge respecting education, and adding to the number and improv ing the est aracter of our schools. They had already as much information as was wanted and were not to rest their opinions on the report of a commission. They could best improve edu cation by their own efforts in their respective localities. If, as was said, the matter was not ripe for legislation, the rea son was the country did not want legislation. Mr. HADFIELD moved an amendment to the resolution to the effect that the commission should be appointed to in quire whether the education should be wholly secular or wholly religious, or partly the one and partly the other; and if religious, what religion they would recommend. The right hon. baronet appeared alw Lys determined to make out that there was a great want of education in the country. But what were the facts? During the last year 544,000,0)0 letters of all sorts passed through the Post-office, and this enormous amount of c nfidence must afford evidence of how well the people were educated, and if the existing system were con tinued for a few years longer, he felt confident that the num bers of letters pas,ing through the Post-offic 3 would not be less than a thousand millions in the year. There were in the different Sunday and day schools in the country not less than 3,591,000 scholars, and this out of a total p )pulation of 18,000,000. The number of scholars was greatly increasing, and the next census would, he believed, exhibit a most sur prising increase in the number of teachers and scholars. The increased circulation of the newspapers was also another proof of the extent of education in the country, The Sunday schools of the country were doing an immense amount of good, and they would be seriously endangered by any act of the G rveru meat which would bring it into anything like opposition to the conduct of those very excellent establishments, in which the working classes felt so much interest, and in which they reposed a large amount of confidence. (Hear, hear.) Mr. GILPIN seconded the amendment. Mr. ACKROYD expressed himself favourable to the pro- posed commission, and thou4lat that such a mode of inquiry would be mere preferable than one by means of a committee. n t q o u t i h r i e e s e a o u f s e the of c a te d m u m e a i t s i s o i n o n, he w o u s h l d o n l b d e the right hon. baronet the member for Droitwich (Heap,) t Be lieving attended t wptilhtehaa that the :fia giving his suppo t to the resolution of t Mr. A. B. HOPE could not make up his mind to believe than an additi m of a bulky blue-book to th e any ot her . that the practical effect of the proposed resolution would be numerous other works of a similar class under which the shelves of public and private libraries already groaned. There was already a huge Tower of Babel of educational literature, and the effect of the appoin ing of this commission would be only to add another coping stone to the already bulky woulde as .. ) only il He endorsebe I i e v be l ieved t t h h e a p t r i e f se the l l t commission and useless issionwe pile reapp oin ( t H ed ea it.' le e r.) system of education, which had been found to work so well and so practically. Mr. RICHARDSON said that if the motion hail applied to Ireland he should have given it his most strenuous opposi tion. Mr. W. J. FOX said it had been assumed that the commis sion would come to certain conclusions and recommendations, and then those conclusions and recommendations had been vlll'urously assailed. N ow he saw no reason at all why t h ey should anticipate such rec ommen d a ti on% Thi s was a com mission Of "'quiz" - , and ho was content to wait the results of that inquiry. Mr. AIDLE ItLEY said the house had been anxious to hear the opinions of the Government. When the right hon. baro net proposed his resolution he (Mr. Adderley) was called on to weigh the proposition whether the present system of edu eatioa had been advantageous or detrimental, and he was in- Present tO believe that the prenout sy r etera laa , t wOrkecl w©ll, Supposing, however, they were to have an inquiry, he con sidered they ha i a sufficient organisation in inspectors for the purpose without the appointment of a commission that would entail an immense expense. Allusion had been made to the Poor-law Commissions, and he would remind the house that it cost the country 50,0001.—a smaller sum than such a roving commission as this would cost. The present inspectors, he thought, might give them all the information they needed. They were a large body needlessly multiplied from every sect of religion, having its inspector in every locality, and much of the time was occupied in writing vicious reports, three fourths of the contents being essays on theories of education, and each vieing with the other in producing the best compo sition, which often leads them to make the most ridiculous propositions. Ho thought they relied in that house too much on statistics. Ho was much avenge to them, for they wore will-o'-the-wisps flitting about a question to deceive. He con sidered the best thing the house could do was to extend the present system, which must be considered au advance in na tional education. The system was no doubt started too high, but that defect had been seen, and was now being remedied. He hoped the house would not grant the commission without a division, and in the event of its being granted they should be instructed to examine into the middle-class schools. (Hear, hear.) Ho thought there it would be found to be a mass of endowments belonging to them misapplied, and ho instanced the case of a person receiving 1001. to 2001. with a pupil. (Hear.) Mr. COWPER said he had no wish to impede the spread •f information, or to stand in the way of procuring all the in formation passible ; but there was something in the terms of the motion that made it difficult to accede to it. An inquiry into the half-time system, and many other branches, was very desirable : but he did not think the inspectors could be em ployed in obtaining the required information, for there were no superabundant inspectors, but, in fact, they were over worked. The schools under inspection were fairly represented in the reports before Parliament; but there was no means of giving the information required relative to middle-class schools. The present system was sufficient for its objects, and he thought it was not desirable to enter into a consideration of any others, as the terms of the motion implied. It was a system that hid grown and entwined itself into the habits, feelings, and dispositions of the people, and whatever i:s defects it was well fitted for the English people. By the terms of this motion the commission would be bound to hear all parties who wished to give evidence in favour of the German system or other continental systems, as well as on special denominational and secular systems. (Hear.) It was not t sat the house wanted to inquire into, but how tho pre sent system could be more extended and more used, an object which he thought the motion would fail to accomplish. Could the terms of the resolution be confined to that, much of the objection to it would be removed, because he thought, how ever expensive the commission might be, the house would not refuse to grant the necessary funds on a subject of so much magnitude and vital interest to the nation. (Hear, hear.) Much valuable information might be obtained from various societies, but the only complete information as regarded the numbers, die, at school, could only bo got by a census, for which they had only three years to wait. One of the greatest evils was the early age at which children left school, their irregular attendance, and the indifference of parents to con tinue their children at school, but he believed we were not worse in that respect than France. The demand for child labour was so pressing and urgent that he despaired of being able to produce a measure by which the children of working classes might be kept to school, except of a compulsory cha racter, which in all probability that house would not sanction. (Hear, hog.) The education of the working classes ought not to finish with elementary schools. They were useful in lay ing the foundation of an education that should be continued in after years by attending night schools. The Privy Coun cil was giving assistance in that manner, and it had met with considerable success, especially in Loudon. Two con ditions, however, were necessary to be observed—viz., care ful classification of students, and instruction such as those frequenting the schools desired. That was being followed with success at King's College, where the students selected their topics of education, and it was remarkable that those least expected were chosen, such as French and Latin. (Hear) With regard to school accom modation they had more than was made use of. They had school accommodation for 870,000, but there wore only 570,000 children att end i ng the schools. The Privy Council felt that the progress of education was consistent with the permanent grants made by that house. By the returns made to the National Society, it appeared that though the schools diminished, the scholars increased, showing that the schools kept by inefficient persons were giving way to larger and bet ter conducted ones He defended the house from the charge of indifference to the subject made by the right hon. baronet, and said that he thought there was less indifference on the part of the religious bodies and the Government than amongst the great bulk of the holders of property and the middle classes. He was opposed to the imposition of a rate as likely to retard rather than advance education. He suggested that the rightlhon, baronet should amend his resolution so as to omit the part with reference to considering a change of the present system. Mr. HENLEY said he concurred in the remark of the right hon. gentleman, and regretted that a similar appeal he had made to the right hon. baronet had been unsuccessful. Anther point was this. They all knew that in this metro polis there were a vast number of children who neither went to school nor to work, and these were the children to whom attention ought in the first instance to be directed. Those who went to school at all were of course in a much happier situation than those who never wont to school at all. Now, what was the likeliest mode of getting at those children! Ho believed that a commission was not the right method, but that humbler methods should be adopted. It was very diffi cult toget behind the scenes in those cases, and almost impos sible to get at the seasons why their parents did not avail themselves of the advantages offered to them. He thought that those zealous men who were employed by the home mis sionary societies would be more likely to achieve that object than any commissioners, however able they might be. He should be very glad if his right honourable friend (Sir J. Pakington) could agree with the Government in a scheme. for he believed that a mere general scheme must result in mere secular teaching. It had been so in America, and it would be so here. He could not help seeing many things going on which should make the friends of religions educa tion very cautious. He did not mean that doctrinal teach ing should be given at mere specified hours. If the friends of religious education allowed themselves to be driven into t e corner they would give up their case. The master should be an intelligent earnest man, who would take every o eportunity of turning his teaching to advantage. If children lied or stole, as children would do, he should tell them that those vices were contrary to the commands of God, and if they were ill-natured, he should remind them that they should be kindly-affectioued one to another, for that was the command of Christ. If a man was directed to teach no religion, he would tell a child who stole that he must steal no more for fear of the big policeman, and that would be the basis of his morality. (Hear.) These were reasons why he was afraid of any of these general schemes, and why he would rather dove op those systems which were in force, and which were tending to great good. He hoped ,the right hon, baronet (Sir J. Pakington) would consent to limit his scheme in the way the right hon. gentlemen (Mr. Cowper) had suggested. Lord J. RUSSELL had hoped that the way in which the right honourable baronet had introduced his s c h eme would have secured for it general consent. He would remark that propounded for extendi ng education. When his sche me every possible objec tion opposition was a renewal of the opposition th a t had been. o L ff o e r r d e d Broughamto every proposal tion was made to it, and it was alleged that his intention was to rob children of ail religious instruction. When lie (Lord J. Russell) and the Marquis of Lansdowne proposed a scheme se curing grants from the Committee of Privy Council, strong opposition was offered to it, and they Were Onl y enabled to carry it by a majority of two. (Hear.) But h e now found an honourable gentleman on the opposite side, w h o spoke at the beginning of the present debate, acknowl e d g i ng how good duly these ofminutes Conservatives of council not disturb the lot of massy who made these attempt s t o advance educe were and urging them. (H ear. ) It was that it was th e tion to be violently opposed, and to find soon after that the schemes they had successfully established had become part of the institutions of the country, and all parties urged that it was the duty of Parliament to adhere to what had worked so efficiently. (Hear.) Then again the minutes of 1846 met with very great eppositien throughout the country, and a vast number of petitions were presented again'; them. The last change that was made, was made by himself and the right hon. gentleman the member fir the University of Ox ford (Mr. Gladstone) who was then Chancellor of the Exche quer, sanctioning capitation grants. That was opposed, not so much on account of a dislike to the principle as because the scheare was not carried to the extent necessary to pro mote the cause of education. He might remark, as the fuundatiou of the motion of the right hon. baronet, that the hon. member for Staffordshire had entirely mistaken the present system. The hon. gentleman seemed to think that inspectors were persons who inspected the whole education of the country, and thee they had only to be gagged to make them report on the state of education all over England. Now the inspectors could make uo such inquiry. What the com mittee of council had to do was, to assist in the erection and afterwards in the maintenance of schools where persons were willing to contribute ; but supposing there were thirty or forty villages lying together where no application was made, those inspectors must remain in entire ignorance 01 that part of the country, and could give no detailed report. To this might be added, that the whole time of the inspectors was employed in visiting the schools they were desired to report upon, and ascertaining what was the amount of education over_ which they had superintendence. There were about 570,000 children who were re ceiving education in this way. They were told by Mr. Horace Mann, is his last report, that there were only 570,000 out of the two milli ons to whom his reports refer who were receiving instruction, and, besides these, Mr. Mann re ported that there were one million who were at work, and who dal not go to school at all, He made allowance for other chil leen who were out pocket-picking and thieving, and who could not bo expected to attend school while thus engaged. (Laughter.) The right hon. gentleman (Mr. Henley) had said that children would lie and steal, and that they should be taught not to steal, because such practices were contrary to the law of God, He euito agreed with the right hon. gen tleman ; but why, if that was to be taught in school, should not other children who were running about the streets and did not go to school— wh y were they not to be taught the sane lesson ? (Hear.) If gentlemen denied that it was of no advantage to impart a moral and secular instruction, there was an end of the whole case. There were four or five trillions of these children, and the present system extended to 570,000. It was proposed to assist by grants the means of those who were willing to build schools, but they could hardly fled sulfa& nt means for that purpose, It was hoped that the establishment of these schools would lead by example to the establishment of ether schools, arid that thus the system would spread. It w as es much'in the nature of an experi ment, and it was to be seen whether that extension of educa tion took 1 Pelee rapidly and generally, or whether it was a slow process. The system had now been in operation 18 years, and though he must say it had been very successful with regard to those who were actually under education, it had not spread so rapidly or so extensively as could have been wished. Let him ask hem what was to be done. They were not making any great progress, for if any one would look to the increase of the ,grants, it would be found that that 70,000 which had been added to the 500,000, re ceived in proportion a far larger amo un t of grants than the latter number. He could see many ways in which education might be bene ficially extended. He believed that in many cases the clergy and ministers of various dissenting sects would be willing to ask their congregation s to contribute to a certain extent, not complying with all the conditions of the Committee of Privy Council, but still making better schools than at present existed. Would not that bo advantageous ? (Hear, hear.) They were improving the quality of education, but they must not lose sight of the quantity, and in places were no progress had been made might they not inquire whether by giants they might not extend the present system? Ho had heard f many men of practical k nowledge urge thi s point, one them a bishop. That ri g ht reveren d pro late point°d out to him there were whole di s t r i cts in his d i ocese where there we re no schools of any value w h a t ever, an d h o had othershoardd iothese say, who had great practic a l exper i enc e, that when parishes there were well• con d ucte d sc h oo ls, the grants of the Council Committee of Privy were sufficient ; but that they. might go for Mile§ Around gucl net find a tolerable school , They could not inquire into th's state of things 'under the present system ; and was it not worth while then to have an inquiry as to what the state of things really was. ( Efear4) He did not pretend to say what that system should be. The right hon. baronet (Sir J. Pakiugton) had been taunted with a desire to carry his previous measures into effect. He could not think this was handsome or liberal towards the right honourable baronet, but he had no doubt that when the right honourable baronet had all the facts before him, and saw the disposition of Parliament, ho would not be bound by his original propositions, but would adopt that course which the general disposition of Parliament might sanction. The honourable member for Staffordshire spoke of middle school education, and said there ought to be an inquiry into that subject, because persons in our middle schools were not receiving so good an educati on as i n the poorer schools. He (Lord Jon Russell) admitted that that education should be improved, but he did not suppose that grants would be made by Parliament to persons who had the means of educating their children, but they might be able to send their sons to grammar schools, according to the original intention of the charitable trusts, and which were capable of great improvement. If honourable gentlemen would inquire into that subject they would find that it only required a very slight alteration in the law to enable the commissioners of charitable trusts to effect this object. He had the pleasure of carrying the Charitable Trusts' Bill through Parliament, and he believed the Charity Com missioners were fully competent for their duties. The Chan cellor of the Duchy of Lancaster (Mr. Baines)was one of them, and if he were entrusted with a bill, having the full confi dence of Parliament, everything could be done that was needed. He knew the chief commissioner was very anxious to have powers, by means of which great benefits could be conferred. The right hon. gentleman (Mr. Henley) had said that in every scheme he (Lord J. Russell) had proposed he had insisted at least on a knowledge of the Bible being com municated to the children. He thought it would be a very great misfortune if, for the purpose of putting au end to the jarring of different religious sects, any system of secular education were established in which religion should not be made the foundation of all teaching. (Hear.) He could not believe that mere moral teaching would bo efficacious, and he did not thick that moral teaching in this country indepen dent of the Bible would be anything but adverse to the Bible. (Cheers.) He did not think it would be any use to appoint a commiision to inquire into half time or anything of the kind, and he hoped the right hon. barcnet would not submit to any such mutilation. As to the expense, he thought it would be very well employed in the commission, to whose investiga tions he believed every squire and clergyman in the country would render the fullest assistance. Mr. BRISCOE said he had listened to the debate from the commencement, and he hoped the right hon. baronet would not consent to the amendment proposed, for that would de prive the motion of its entire value. It would certainly ren der it insufficient for the object the right hon. baronet had in view. He quite agreed with the noble lord the member for the city of London that a secular system of education would never meet the wishes of the people of this country. He should not give his vote for the resolution except in, its original form. Sir J. PAKINGTON, in reply, said he had not said one word about compulsion, but had sought to show that the grants at present made for the purposes of education did not reach the lower portion of the population. Nor was he an advocate of the secular system. On the contrary, he did not think that any system of education would be satisfactory which did not embrace religious teaching. He believed that if religious differences could be got rid of, the secular system would speedily fall. Whilst wen were quarrelling upon points of religion, a vast amount of irreligion was growing up. He know tiatt upon this particular question he was placed in the difficulty of being at variance with many of those friends with whom he usually acted, but he could not understand the middle course proposed by the Vice-President of the Board of Privy Connell, (Hear, he tr.) He thought it would be better to abandon the motion altogether, than to prosecute the in quiry ineffectually. Much remained for inquiry, but after the expression of opinion on the part of the Government, he did not think it would be advis tble to press his motion. (Nr, no.) But he suggested to tho Vice-President of the Pri. v y Council that perhaps the best course would be to let tY i e re• solution stand thus : That an humble address be presionted to her Majesty, that she would be graciously pleased to issue a oommission to inquire into the present state of ):,opular edu cati min England, and consider and report Vt'aat measures, if any, ought to be taken for the spread of Round and cheap elementary education to all classes of thel,,eople. (Hear.) Mr. COWPER said that this alteration would meet the views of the Government. _ _ The SPEAKER read the original 'motion and Mr. Hadfield's amendment. Lord PALMEPSTON hoped tho latter woul 1 ho with drawn, and that the house would accept the resolution in its altered form. Mr. HENLEY could not accept the alteration. Mr. HADFIELD having withdrawn his amendment, the original resolution was withdrawn. The house then divided on the resolution in its altered firm For tho amendment llO Against it Majority —6l SAVINGS BANK COMMITTEE. On the motion of the CHANCELLOR of the EX CHEQUER, the members of the Savings Bank Committee were nominated. CHURCH RATES. Sir J. TRELAWNY moved for leave to bring in a bill for the abolition of church rates. He understood that the Government did not object to the introduction of the bill —(hear, hear, and a laugh)—and would reserve his observa tions until the second reading. Leave was given to bring in the bill. GAOLS AND HOUSES OF CORRECTION BILL. On the motion for the second reading of this (Mr. Bowyer s) bill, Mr. SPOONER objected " on the ground that the bill had only been delivered to members that morning. He demurred to the power which the bill gave to ministers of all denomina tions visiting prisoners at all times, and of interfering with the existing prison regulations. Mr. KINNAIRD urged the postponement of the bill. Mr. BOWYER said that the bill lead been twice brought in with the consent of the Governragnt, and the simple object of it was to secure the prisoners the spiritual consolation of ministers of their own religion. Safeguards were introduced for investing the visiting justices with every necessary re striction. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that this bill must practically be considered a now bill—(hear, hear, from Mr. Spooner) —and as the Home Secretary was noi pre sent, he suggested the postponement of this stage of it. (Hear, hear.) The debate was adjourned. SIR HENRY AND LADY HAVELOCK'S ANNUITY BLL. The bill was read a third t l me and passed. CHURCH RATES, Sir J. TRELAWNY brought up his bill, which was read a first time ; to be read a second time on Wednesday, the 17th. The house adjourned at ono o'clock. PARLIAMENTARY DIVISION. HOUSE OF COMMONS.-FEB. 11. EDUCATION. Motion made, and question proposed, "That an humble address be presented to her Majesty, praying that she will be graciously pleased to issued a commission to inquire into the present state of popular education in England, and whether the present system is, or is not, sufficient for its object ; and to consider and report what changes, if any, are required for the extension of sound and cheap elementary instruction to all classes of the people."—Amendment proposed, at the end of the question, to add the words "and particularly whether it is desirable that the course of education should, in deference to tho principles of religious liberty, bo restricted to secular instruction ; or whether religious instruction should be added, and what course of religous instruction can be supplied with out violation of the rights of conscience of her Majesty's sub jects ; and that all classes and denominations be entitled to be heard in this inquiry."—Question proposed, " That those words be there added."—Amendment, and motion, by leave, withdrawn. Motion made and question pu', " That au humble address be presented to her Majesty, praying that she will be graciously pleased to issue a commission to inquire into the present state of popular education in England ; and to consider and report what _ measures, if any, are required for the extension of sound and cheap elementary instruction to all classes of the people."—The house divided; Ayes, 110; Noes, 49. ATMS—IIk Adams, W. H. Garnett, William Pinney, Col. Akroyd, E. Greer, Samuel Pritchard, J. Bagwell,Vohn Gray, Captain Pugh, D. Ball, E Grey, R. Puller, Christopher Baring, Sir F. Griffith, C. Itaynham, Viscount Baring, T. G. Hall, Sir Benjamin Rebow, J. Baxter, W. Haubury, Robert Ricardo, 0. Beecroft, G. Handley, 11. Ridley, George Black, Adam Harris, J. D. Roupell, W. Bramston, T. W Hatchell, John Ru.shout, Capt. G. Briscoe, J. Hayter, W. Russell, Lord J. Buchanan, Walter Heneage, Geo. F. Russell, A. Buller, J. W. Hodgson, William Rust, James Buxton, 0 Hopwood. John Salisbury, Enoch Byng, G. H. C. Horsmaa, B. Seholefield, W. Caird, J. Jervoise, Sir J. Shelley, Sir J. Campbell, R. J. It. Ker, Richard Sibthorp,lMajor Clay, James King, L. Stapleton, John:, Clive, R. King. Edward Sykes, Colonel Close, M. Kinglake, A. Thompson, General Collier, R. P. Kinnaird, A. Townshend, J. Cowper, W. F. Knatchbull-Huguessen Trelawny, Sir J. Cross, R. A. Langton, H. G. Turner, J. A. Dalglish, R. Lewis, Sir G. C. Vansittart, W. Davey, R. Lopes, Sir M. Villiers, C. Duff, M. Mackie, J. Vivian, 3. C. Dunbar, Sir W. Mangles, C. Western, S. Duncan, Viscount Melgund, Lord Whitbread, S. Edwards, Henry Mellor, John Wickham, H. Elton, Sir A. H. Mitchell, T. A. Williams, W. Evans, T. W. Morris, D. Willyams, E. Ewart, W. Paget, Lord C. Wilson, J. Farquhar, Sir M. Palmerston, Viscount Wingfield, R. Finlay, A. Pease, Henry Worsley, Lord Fitzgerald, J. Pechell, Sir G. h i e , r o l n e a. F. r P e e v e l e , n S s iery It ,iscount Pakington, Sir J. Wyld, James V TELLERS. Fortescue, Forster, C Fox, W. J. Philips, R. Stanley, Lord _ NOES-49. Adderley, C. B. Forde, Colonel Nicoll, D. Ayrton, A. Gard. It. North, Col. J. Bennet, Capt. P. Hadfield, George Packe, C. Bentinck, G. Hope, Alexander Philipps, J. Blakemore, T. Hotham, Lord Pilkiugton, J. Bowyer, G. Kendall, N. Price, W. Bridges, Sir B. Kerahaw, J. ltepton, G. Calcraft, J. Knight, F. Richardson, J. Chariesworth,,T. C.D. Langton, W. G. Sclater, George Child, Smith Laslett, W. Scott, Captain Churchill, Lord A. Liddell, 11. G. Spooner, R. Collins, T. Locke, J. Wigram, Loftus T. Cox, W. Lygon, Hon.F. Woodd, B. Crook,:,T. M'Cann, J. Diliwyn, L. L. Maguire, J. F. Dobbs, W. C. Miller, Stearn° Emlyn, Viscount Mowbray, J. It. Fenwick, 11. - Napier, J. TELLXIS. Henley, J. Hardy, G. 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Victoria, cap. 32, of tho Average Amount of Bank Notes of the several Banks of issue in England and Titles, in Circulation during the Week ending Satur day, the 23d day of Jan., 1358 : Average A.raonnt. . 9,486 PRIV.A.TE BANKS. Andover Bank, Andover—Heath and Co. A.slaford Bank, Ashford—Jemmitt Pomfret,and Co. Aylesbury Old Bank, Aylesbury—Z. D Hunt Baldook Bank and Baldock and Biggleewads Bank, 13 aldook—Wells, Rogge, and Co Barnstaple Bank, Barnstaple--Marshall and Co Basingstoke and Odihamßank, Basingstoke— Seymour, Lamb, and Co. Bedford Bank, Bedford—Barnazd and Ge. Bowdley Bank, Bewdley Nichols, Baker, and Co ---- Bicester and Oxfordshire Bank and Oxford Bank, Bicester—H. M. and G. Tubb Birmingham Bank, Birmingham —Attwoode, Spooner, and Co Birmingham and Warwickshire Bank, Bir mingham—J. L. Moilliet and Sons Blaandford Bank, Blandford--Oak and Co. Boston Bank, Boston—Clavpone and Co. Boston Bank, Boston—T. Gee and Co. Bridgwater Bank, Bridgwater —J. and J. L Seeley Bristol Bank, Bristol—Miles, Miles, and Co Broseley and Bridgnorth and Bridgnorth and Broseley Bank, Broseley—Pritchards, Boy cott, and Co. Buckingham Bank, Buckingham—Bartlett, Par rott, and Co. Bury and Suffolk Bank, Sudbury Bank, and Stowmarket Bank, Bury St. Edmund"— Oakes, Bevan, and Co. Banbury Bank, Banbury —J, a and A Gillett Banbury Old Bank, Banbury—Cobb and Son Bedfordshire Leighton Buzzard Bank, Leighton Buzzard—Bassett, Son, and Co. Birmingham Bank, Birmingham—Lloyds & Co Bradford Old Bank, Bradford, Yorkshire—H A. and W. M. Harris and Co. Brecon Old Bank, Brecon--Wilkins and Co Brighton Union Bank, Brighton—Hall, West, and Co..' Burlington and Driffield Bank, Burlington— Harding, Smith, and Co Bury St. Edmunds Bank, Bury St. Edmunds— Worlledge and Co Cambridge Bank, Cambridge—Mortloek & Co Cambridge and Cambridgeshire Bank, Cam bridge--Messrs. Fosters Canterbury Bank, Canterbury--Hammond and Co Carmarthen Bank, Carmarthen—David Morris and Sons . . Ohertsey Bank, Obertsey—La Cost. and Son Colchester Ba:ek, Colchester—Round, Green, and Co. Oolchaatr;r and Essex Bank, and Witham and Enc.: Bank, and Hadleigh, Suffolk, Bank, O'Olehester—Mille, Btawtree, and Co Onrnish Bank, Truro—Tweedy and Co Coventry Bank, Coventry—Little & Wsodoook Oity Bank, Exeter—Milford and Co Craven Bank, Settle—Aloooks, Birkbeeks, and Co Chepstow Old Bank, Chepstow Bank, Mon mouth Old Bank, Monmouth Bank, Bracco Bank, and Ross and Herefordshire Bank, Chepstow—Bromage, Snead, and Co Derby Bank, Derby—W. and S. Evans & Co, Derby Bank, Derby—Samuel Smith and Co._ Derby Old . Bank and Soarsdale and High Peak Bank, Derby—Crompton, Newton, and Co Devizes and Wiltshire Bank, Deviaeo--Looke and Co Dias Bank, Disc--Fincham, and Co Doncaster Bank and Retford Bank, Doncaster —Cooke and Co Darlington Bank, Durham Bank, and Stockton on-Tees Bank, Darlington—Backhoume & Co Divenport Bank. Devonport— Hodge and CO Dorchester Old Bank and Dorsetshire Bank, Dorchester—R. and H. Williams Bast Cornwall Bank, Liskoard—Robins, Fos ter' and Co East Riding Bank, Beverley—Bower and Co Essex Bank and Bishop's Stortferd Bank + Chelmsford—Sparrow Round, and Co exeter Bank, Exeter — Sanders and Co Farringdon Bank and Bank of Wantage, Far ringdon—Barnes, Medley, and Co Farnham Bank, Farnham—Messrs Knight Faversham Bank, Faversham—Hilton and Co Godalming Bank, Godalming—Mellersh and Keen .• Guildford Bank, Guildford—Mesers. Haydon.. Grantham Bank, Grantham—Hardy and C 0... Hereford City and County Bank, Hereford-- Matthews and Co. Hull Bank and Kingston-upon-Hull Bank, ' Hull, Smith, Brothers. and Co. Huntingdon Town and County Bank, Hunting don—Veasey and Co. Harwich Bank, Harwich—Cox, Cobbold, and 00. Hertfordshire, Hitchin .Bank, Hitehin Sharpies, and Co. Hereford, Ross and A.rchenfield Bank, and Ross and Archendeld Bank, Ross Morgan and Co Ipsvrioh Bank, Ipswich—Beoon and Co. Ipswich and Needham Market Bank, Suffolk, Hadleigh Bank, Manningtree and Watley Bank, and Woodbridge Bank, Ipswich-- Alexander" and 00. Kentish Bank, Maidstone--Meroer, Randall, and Co. Eington and Radnorshire Bank, Kington— Davies and Co. Knaresborough Old Bank and Ripon Old Bank, Knaresborough—Harrison and Co Kondal Bank, Kendat--Wakedeld, Crowd-ton and Co. .•• Lane End Staffordshire Bank, Lane End—O. Harvey and Son Leeds Bank, Leeds—Beckett and Co. Leeds Union Bank, Leis--W. Brown and-Co. Loiooster Bank, Leicester—T. &T. T Paget Lewes Old Plank, Lewes—Whittlald and Co Lincolnlianki . Lincoln—Smith, Ellison, and Co Llandorery Bank, Lau:Teter Bank, and Lion dile Bank, Llandovery—D. Jones and Co Loughborough Bank, Loughborough —Middle ton and OradOck Lymington Bank, Lymington—S. and G. F St. Barbs Lynn Regis and Lincolnshire Bank, Lynn Rogia—Gurneys and Co. Lynn Regis and Norfolk Bank, Lynn Regis— Jarvis and Co Maocleedeld Bank, Maooleefield—Brooklehurst and Co. Manningtreo Bank, Menningtree--Nunn and Co. Marlborough. Bank, Marlborough and Wilts Old Bank, Marlborough Old Bank, Marl. borough Old Bank and Ilungerford Banlr, and Hung erford Bank, Marlborough—Tan ner and Co Merionethshire Bank, Dolgolly—Williams and Son 1,516 Minors Bank, Truro—Willyamm and Oe 12,112 Monmouthshire Agrioultural and Commercial Bank, Lbergavonny—Bailey and Co 15,992 Monmouth Old Bank, Monmouth Bank, Bre oon Bank, Chepstow Bank, Chepstow Old Bank, and Roes and Herefordshire Bank, Monmouth—Bromage, Snead, and Co 9,680 Newark Bank, Newark—Godfrey and Riddell 19,941 Newark and Sleaford Bank, and Sleaford and Newark Bank, Sleaferd—Handley, Psaoook, and Co 418,876 Newbury Bank, Newbury—Bunny ilk Slooook 10,600 Nswmarket Bank, Newmarket,--Eaton, Ham mond, and Co 18,82/ Norwich Crown Bank and Norfolk and Suffolk Bank, Norwich—Harveys and Hudsone 50,213 Norwich and Norfolk Bank, Norwich--Gkir neys and Birkbecks Nottingham and Nottinghamshire Bank, Note tiagharn Hart, Fellow., and Co tuneaton hank, Nuneaton—Oraddook and Co Naval Bank, Plymouth, Plymouth---Hanis and Co. New Sarum Bank, Sarum—Rverebt and 0 10,851 Nottingham Bank, Nottinghant--Sanatel Smith and Co. Oswestry Bank and Orwestry Old Bank, Os westry—Croxon and Co Oxford Old Bank, Oxford—Paramus and Co. 00,109 Old Bank, Tonbridge, Toabridge and Ton. bridge Wells Old Bank, Tonbridge sal Tom. bridge Wells and Savenoaks Bank, Ton. bridge—T. H. and S. Beaching ....... ...... Oxfordshire Witney Bank, Witney-4. Clinch and Sono 1,214 p.„,., 014 B a nk, Hull, the Hull Old Bask and Beverley Bank, Hull—Passe and Co 41,115 recannon Bank, Pensanoa—Batten sad Co 8,084 Peterborough Bank and Oundlo Bank, Pater borough—D. Yorks and Co. Pembrokoshir• Bank , Haverfordwest—j. and W. Wolters Leading Bank, Reading—Simonds and 0o 12133 Reading Bank, Reading—thophens, Blandy, andCo Richmond Bank, Riohmend—Roper and Oo 5 , 020 Rocadal• Bank, Ba nkaalfe--Olainant, Boyd's; and Co. 1,483 Roakeetar, Chatham, and Strond Rank, Rocham. ter—Day sad Nicholson CHB Royston Bank, Royston—Fordham and Bons 12,966 Rigby Bank, Rugby —A. Butlin and Son 0,885 Rye Bank, Rye—R. C. Pomfret, 81 Oo 11,004 Ross Old Bank, Heredfordshire, Rom"— Al lawaY and Maodeugal Saffron W a l den and North Rase: Bank, Sat- , Ilafrom Waliatt—Gibson and Co. lop Bank Arowikary—Burton, Lloyd, sod Co. Boarborangk ..... - 16,235 all and Co ................. 23 , 727 Shrewsbu r y Old B an k an d Shrewsbury aid Ludlow Bank, iiiirewsbary— Rook*, By. tons, and C 0.... ••• .............................. ne n ilittingbonra• aid Milton Bank, Sittingho --Vallanie and Co. .............................. Southampton Town and County Batik, s ou th. ampton—Maddison and Nato* ,• 11,490 8,793 10,523 25,626 7,697 20,971 82,92 S 9,1102 13,109 18,836 0,558 01,800 15,217 7,138 $1►473 14,883 22,391 11,170 80,073 24,273 20,799 22442 11,252 10,147 17,044 KIM 2,500 13,531 42,591 E 1.316 17,60 2,314 16,67$ 13,363 30,101 6,441 17,667 '5,135 6,245 10,325 29,510 21,111 7,831 9,965 58,553 80,048 7,493 41,731 79,757 151,471 18,480 27,108 6,970 10,228 6,957 4,890 11,835 24,088 12,745 X 8,650 42,149 4,581 19, 416 15,541 20,011 41.215 11,250 22,155 18,786 112422 6,288 58,206 15,911 15,058 20,278 17,908 12,283 1,101 4,004 44,803 11,15 . 9 4463 1,601 2,941 7,125 9,712 2,384 Soutliwell Bank, Southwell—Vfylds and Co_ k 4,901 Southampton and Hampshire Bank, Sontkazup ton—Atherley, Fall, and Co. Stafford Old Bank, StaftOrd—Stevenson tad Co 11,812 Stamford and Rutland Bank, Stamford —Eaton, Cayley an d C o. Shrewsbury and Welshpooi Bank, Shrewsbury —Beck, Downward, and Co. Taunton Bank, Taunton—H. and R. Badcock 14,05 Tavistock Bank, Tavistock—Gill and Rundle 11,907 Thornbury Bank, Thornbury—Rolph and Co. T,071 Tiverton and Devonshire Bank, Tiverton Dunsford and Co. 9,7811 Thrapston and Kettering Bank, Northampton shire—Thrapston, Yorke and Eland Tring Bank and Chesham Bank, Tring—But cher and Son Toweester Old Bank, Toweester—P e rcival and Co 7,051 Town and County of Poole Bask and Ring wood and Poole Bank, Poole —G. W. Led gard and Sons 1,174 Union Bank, Cornwall, Helston—Vivian and Co 12,543 Uxbridge Old Bank, Uxbridge--Hull, Smith and Co 9,100 Wallingford Bank, Wallingford—H e d ger , Wells, and C o . . 7,2 34 Warwick and Warwickshire Bank, Warwick— Greaves and Co, 23,841 Wellington Somerset Bank, Wellington—F ox , Brothers, and Co 2,9;4 West Riding Bank, Wakefield, and Pontefract Bank, Wakefield— Leatham, Tew, and Co 17,622 Whitby Old Bank, Whitby—Simpso n , Chap man, and Co 14,032 Winchester, Alresford, an d Alt on B ank, Win chester—ulpett and Co 15,11S Winchester and Hampshire Bank, Winchester —Wickham and Co Weymouth Old Bank an d D orc h ester Bank, Weymouth—Eliott and Pearce 14,716 Wirksworth and Ashbourne Derbyshire Bank, Wirksworth—Arkwright and Co *2,348 Wisbech and Lincolnshire Bank, Wisbech— Gurneys and Co 41,824 Wiveliscomb• Bank, Wiveliscombe—P. and W. Hancock 4,719 Wolverhampton Bank, Wolverhampton —Go od ricks and Holyoake 11,414 Worcester Bank, Wercester—Farley, Laren der, and Co Worcester Old Bank and Tewkesbury Old Bank, Worcester—Berwick, Lechmere, sad Co 0,171 Worcestershire Bank, Kidderminster—Farley, Turner, and C 0........ Walsall Old Bank, Walsall —Charles Forster and Sons Wolverhampton Bank, Wolverl i a m pt oa —R and W. F. Frye r 7,583 Yarmouth and Suffolk Bank, and Haleswo r th and Suffolk Bank, Yarmouth —Gurneys, Birbeck, and Co 44,674 Yarmouth, Norfolk, and Suffolk Balk, Great Yarmouth—Sir E. H. K. Lacon, Bart,, and Co 12,101 York Bank, York— Swann, Clough, and Co 40,441 JOINT-STOCK BANKS. Bank of Westmorland, Kendal.. .. 7, 001 Barnsley Banking Company, Barnsley 7,643 Bradford Banking Company, Bradford 40,134 Bilston District Banking Company, Wolver hampton Bank of Whitehaven, Whitehaven 24,39 Bradford Commercial Banking Company, Bradford 12,171 Burton, Uttoxeter, and Staffordshire Union Banking Company, Burton-upon -Trent 11,781 Chesterfield and North Derbyshire Banking Company, Chesterfield 7,171 Cumberland Union - Banking Company, Work ington 39,211 Coventry and Warwickshire Banking Company, Coventry Coventry Union Banking Company, Coventry 10,010 County of Gloucester Banking Company, Chel tenham 103,325 Carlisle and Cumberland Banking Company, Carlisle 21,947 Carlisle City and District Bank, Carlisle Dudley and West Bromwich Banking Company, Dudle y 11,161 Derby and Derbyshi re Banking Company, Derby 18,112 Darlington District Joint Stock Banking Com pany, Darlington East of England Bank, Norwich 23,240 Gloucestershire Banking Company, Gloucester 123,770 Halifax Joint Stock Bank, H a lif ax ll ,BBl Huddersfield Banking Company, Huddersfield 14,718 Company, Hull 22,57! Halifax Hull al Banking C ompany, Halifax 7,116 Banking a nking Halifax and Huddersfield Union Banking Com pany, Halifax ............... 56,126 Helston Banking Company, Helston Herefordshire Banking Company, Hereford Kna.resborough and Claro Banking Company, Knaresboro ug h 20,181 Kingsbridge Joint-Stock Bank, Kingsbridge.., 3, 015 Lancaster Banking Company, Lancaster Leeds Banki ng C ompany, L eeds Leicestershire Banking Company, Leicester 82,05. Lincoln and Lindsey Banking Company 43,1 80 Leamington Priors and Warwickshire Banking Company, Leamington Priors /7 11 Ludlow and T en b ury Bank, Ludlow 7, 561 Country Markets. MANCHESTER—FER. 11. Our market this morning was fairly attended, bnt trans actions were of the moat languid character. There was s fair demand for the host qualities of English wheat at lot week's prices ; secondary sorts neglected. American red being loss plentiful, met a moderate ■ale at ld to 2d per Nibs advance. Flour trade depressed. Oats and oatmeal a slow sale at barely late prices. In barley, beans, and Indian corn there was no material change. NEWARK—FEB. 10. A good show of grain to-day, and in better condition. Non, but the finest qualities of wheat realised last week I rates; in prices generally no alteration. Wheat, white 508 to 569, red 468 to 50s; barley, malting 338 to 428, grinding 34s to 369; oats, 24st. 33s to 86s, 22et. 328 to 345; beans, 44s to 468 ; malt, 61s to 72.; peas, 4411 to 465; tares, to —0 per qr. LOUTH —FRB. 10. "'heat, 40s to 43a ; extra, 45a ; barley 32 a t o 35 a ; oats 20s to 22 s ; b eans, 40a to 449. BOSTON—FEB. 10. Prices :—Wheat, red, 38s Od to 443 Od; new, —s to —1 white, 423 Od to 46s Od; extra, 48s. Barley, 263 Od to 3711 Od. Oats 18s to 263. Pene, 36, to 423 Od. Beans, 34i Od to 41s Od per gr. GLISOOW--FEB . 11. This day' s market was pretty well attenr i .ed, and a fait business was done in good wheat at full price.. Flour in favour of buyers. 13dans in fair demand. Peas scarce, and wanted. Oats and oatmeal a slow sale at last week's rates. Barley unchanged. EDINBURGH GRAIN.—FEB. 10. A good supply of grain to-day, and sales heavy for All sorts. Prices back forbeans and barley. Oats and wheat a shade better. Wheat, on the top, 1s: 6,1 up, and on the averag 6 Os 3d up. Barley, Os Cd down on the top, and lld down on the average. Oats on the top were Is 9d up, and ou the average is 4d up. Beans on the top 14 6d up, and ou the average Os 5d down. AVERAGES PER IMPERIAL QUARTER. Wheat £1 19 10 5-12th. Do. new 0 0 0 0-12ths. Barley 1 7 8 11-12thse Oats 1 4 7 3-12thse Beans 1 17 6 0-12ths. Total Supply and Sales. Wheat 1937 qrs so ld 1499 Vs Barley 1587 qrs sold 1155 Ora Oats 1683 qrs sold 1370 vs Beans Si; qrs sold 240 gra DERBY SMITHFIELD.—Fns. 9. A good supply of fat beasts to-day ; the demand vial inactive ; former prices wore asked, and beef was a little snore than an average sale. Sheep was in largo supply. There was a full average supply of fat pigs. Fat calve* more plentiful. The following were the quotations :—Beef, 6 , 3 to bid; mutton, 7d to 7d ; lamb, —d to Od ; veal, 7d tc —I per lb. ; pigs, Os 61 to lls 3d per score ; rough fat , 53 311 to 01 per 141 b. ; hides, 41d to 61d per lb ; calf g -akine, 6d to 7d par lb, BIRTHS. HES 3 —On the 9th inst., the wife of Henry Hest, Eiq., 35 , Bedford-street south, Liverpool, of twin EOM. HETGALTE—On the 9th inst., at Bellarena, county London. derry, the wife of Sir Frederick William Heygate, Bt., of a daughter. STRANSHAM-011 the 10th inst., at Woolwich, the wife of Colonel Strunihatn, of a son. WILSON—Oa the 11th inst.; at 130, Park-street, Groot. nor•square, Lady Belford Wilson, of a son. MARRIAGES. PACKE—BRUCE-Ou the 10th Hallo w Charon, at Worcestershire, the Rev. Henry V e r e , son o f C o l o nel Parke, Twyford Hall, Norfolk, to Helen Sarah, daugh ter of Stewart C. Bruce, Esq., of Hallow Cottage, Wor caster, and Banagher, co. Londonderry. DEATHS. DRAKE-00 the Bth inst., at the Rectory, Stourton, Wilt shire, the Rov. John Drake, aged 77. DAWE —On the 6th inst., at 32, Clondesly-terrace, Isling ton, Mr. W. N. Dawe, of the "Shipping and Mercantile Gazette," aged 33. FALKNER —On the 7th inst., at Brighton, Sir Charles Falkner, Bart , Captain R.N. FERNANDES—On the 10th iust., David Dias Fernhndei , aged 73. HART—On the 10th inst., at 11, Tavistock-sipiare, Halt, Esq., aged 52. HORT—OiI the Bth inst., at Moss Pit House near Stafford' Charles Chester Mort, Esq., proprietor of the "Staffordshir e Ad vert i ser, " age d 54. S UDE LET—On the 10th inst., a tT u ddi ngton,Gloses t ers hire, Lord Sudeley, aged Si. many years e llitor and joint f r ARTDON : Printed and Published by MURDO YOTIWI of No, 112, Strand, Printer, at The Sun 01# 00 0 112, Strand, in the Precinct of the Savoy, in the 0 01111 ' Of Mitidtem, Friday , February 12, 1868.