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I am desi re d t o . commun i cate ulgized._' Melville,' ali4 dated and runs as follows : (ect from the Votes of the House of Rise has appintetta Col!Mittel: to Tamed in the Tenth Report of the inquiry; and having obtained a take the litterty of requesting the htaxti on the,subjeas coniteded with pursuant to the notice he had that in conformity with this supposed there would 'be no ob de be now adVed in and was put and agreed to. then called to the Scrjeant at 'zieant, go with the Mace and Melville that - he may come was •then introduced, bowing to ltered—the SPEAKER returning Lg in the way usual when 'the )rds enter. Iressitig Lord MELVILLE, sa id, - your Lordship to repose ih . • • 1.6 4it - _zeta put on his hat. • . i n r "I.ALVaI E having . seated himself f . or,an -Rant rose and spoke to the following effeCt. Mr. 8,:: eve attempt I .have hitherto made, matter ~-.4K4a, to . ttive ahy 'ekplatiation of the ... acttnii ng, rn „. ' e ontained in the T3nth Repert . of e in ti le y v e i () ri m d i i cl ' 4 t lsiO . ners , of Naval 111;111 1 12 1e r i t m o p . .g u t t N a 7 7 on of 'character from - .. . -- r)fis at& l':' • ; ' 1.4- i• - been in vain. wis - ing It in consequence, ',ails , . 1 c'en lc was examined before the Com 'as igorant f 1 .ohjeds to which mis..eion . er e s th e i r ~ , 9 . ta ,particular. _ w„.r. in v investigaLkii was directed. `.l.licy -.- e . p c ' s ' -51 °4 'of the whole . of . Mr. Trotter's ,4 . c e: r 4;ats . and tronsadions with- the house of COut lB . . e I ittios scattered throughout the whole Of thes itutell,,sl transa6tioni the otmei - vations were made,_ viai knecaucolichisions f the ignorant° 4r4n, with resped to which I e m ,,,.... : _,t4 to. examinatio, totally ei ti" 444mces• . .NOt One item ways" give 11 , 0 t one circumitance- was I desired to 0, Alianatiol I tile s 6,1 1 _ '• • ' knew not even the existence r 4p per or circumstances till I' saw, them yPendtx to the Tenth Report of the Commis re ln the illtoners of Naval Inquiry. 'rile moment I, looked n„P l at Re Inquiry. I saw in it .circumstances 4,1,:i.1.red explanation. Olt the • 28th of March 1 for that , plied accordingly. to the Commissioners . , .°Pport4.ity I tl vii ,. p not trouble the House With the of giving such explanation.:7o . b4tiL"ler on that oecasion or the - answersto it, both 4 14 ,3 °I! ablyttie-T of the House. particulars . . t e y that the 1 ' • required opportunity for eitpl,.. . letter ' an ~. ~,,tation anti thatthe answer m 5 a denial, on the., eoand that ' etas re : a was not th. _ , ~ the i a ' and inquiry was closed on that sub j e I will state co sol m petent to th e Commissioners `to eie: 8 it, A gain, wh en this House passed the Re. offi r , 1 () f . )3th April it was net in these"baY exPlanation, for I could know nothing. of 4 (ititt,e6ollitiOnS till they were my' power to paSSed. It ivas,besides,, sliCitii:i ti ,? . t l on that day whether the Resolutions tt , en ibepiry 14t,tilaci Ititg the 1i6115e. vickis-• Passed immediately, or whether a pre : opporte°11:1: should be 'instituted, for the pnrpos . t , whether it to judge better , ' e to such Resolutions :1 had, therefOte, no tkiinu4LtY of knowing, what form or course of pro_ It „,83ithe 40use wotild ti,7.ink proper to adopt ; and . tisio,Q eitirse impossible for me to anticipate its dt. d to . lien oily shape . to come forwa r d and 'demand on , ' aids, Wlien these • Another occasion arose . aftem f the Ilatise matters were before a Committee 0 rrie clind thou...! ~,, , - °mini ttee Was desirous of examining. eil l - te ". 4.l ' ,.LY tO meet the fullest examination is atkl,4l, , Ymy conduEt On that occasion,. Under -4413 46 that dithculties. were felt in the House of ItiiNti as 10 the Manner in which I should be exa . .. 14>rdsh-,,,re ytlr. Committee, th e _ I t's in the most earnest Mainicr; requesting I applied to their t alifa.\v`4tlld' allow rite' to, be-examined withot?. , Ntl i btu their lordshi--. s, I suppose li ,tit r n „. -, 1 ouves and f ' 9'd their own privi from .ticsift s r . i . , fro a regarfo r - tin a ' re, t° accede t exec p such I llant ier , - o Thy wishes, and t h o .. 48 frUted the objea of these w is hes; . (In a vi ews of spratC'orrunittt..e in the ekamination. t: i t , !link recent ocelsit when the:Lords learned; it 4 t e k l„, l ' le ne-e 0. , a 11 -t i t n) ' made here, ..that I wikiled ( ! j olui t ti , c Z" `n . this douse t())lle..xiLlin and . I, : indiOate my '4,1-4.,),,',,,,,,ci rtiniOur -co.nveytd.. to t - tirti the, course' (iea(x,,,ll'ng that it ' ;was intended to .Pursue, I en . 'l.ke(Cr;) t:)l.reliove all the cliffieulties-thathad been 4 ve be 4.,.., `V,' Nv.ly - of. a 'full exi)Ositioiy; But I tt,,titlia-ttit" o a r t t i ( . ) obtain perroission to come on l ly v, I:.)introil %wept r.n not to delenct ' myself -on m co trilt.4leititior:. i t,!•, : I louse ,has previously- come pi e i n . .4- . li. 1 1 1 ,51* theie eir,:unistances, I . find .t 1 4 . 1 1 . 4 ' 1 4e . t,'," ."nel'lr 84114t1011. 'it is a heattfel d"lf, i ll r!le. J.°. 1 -lave the mpporttniity 'cif offering j'' l'4lla nit v it il ' l ; dielt inrt ilf my , :harat.lr., to it Ilouso ~, 1- 41 '''' ll.l "-qi I sat: so long in ' 4 diarent ..aayef :Jrc,Mts.- of d ,„.\vo,r , luldbeJ:t:l;4 • VtllVat ,• " • ' l3 • 39,75* • ER MI, mpusE• t:' i Tsb, tlzßuisumit 1A the 'l' 4h 04. Lingil•;n ' 1414 N received II 11° " E A thentii net ,:, t Ihe second reading of ir 1 7,f1 5 I ",i., l lldAy . the ° .Motion of Lord Y n_ o le un the L. ba:,4,' to•mv:trow, an( A ry 6;J `. "Wu o Ujour Liousip c TUESD, ,144 o fo A c 0 r, t .„. 1 erable naval 1 1 .r"`,..4 or from r°l •lgh ' ditlereni , 'ilvw `"c tune the Sr) is in wily,.lol uck. 14IPEAcitm EN ' T ii lolll' The .Cr 1 40 4 t he ,; --dEAAER h no us t ! : lo ge; ' Anti 1 11 the follo , 1 40 , to- a 'ettcr which I ! r co• ~ .10 trnbi e , ig `L° ll ., June "II; 1 1,,; 0 1i, op tom riuni - 'la, `ging observes ▪ JO • e c ' t lehler o s t ! t t h n4 t Li nu 'C!natter emit . 1 eopy s Na • th4t It Nava l v l St• l4 s:, The t° adinit : ~, r 1 the.* Repor‘t bts h h air. Du, s ' g 411: r U r • •• Oae te s Wr, I . rque at MO% e, lor y „bj .,,t) to whlch 4e • ° St 110ai.d • () I'd Mt hill •question. e1!3b ° , 0 0 4 Art* 4- , L4 K/Sfi th 011:00, I. • ) anci Se' 01 ' •• i urn i Lord V' ISCOUIit % ow t Lord .• dlt 4 0 th e c , LLVILLE °P"KE • t e ob e . as t 4 banni ae4s en , 7-, cnt.r.tivr 1 Geri of th o I .4 "' r to e . SP.r; Aitsi ; ther f . • . 1( R addn - I s a oha . • es• • ;1 ' • fcjr ogei d ol r " then. nv Ford - • , , WED N E.S DA Y; _JUNE 12, 1805. capacity from that I have lately held ; but at the same time_ I owe to sthe.other House, .of which . I 'have the honour to be now a Member, an obligation not . to enter into any defence oft any matters with -restea to which this House, may have already' ,en-. tered into Resolutions of.crimination against me. I trust, however, will not be'gnilty of any viola tion of the instru&ions of the other. House, if make 'some observations on ,the Resolutions agreed Upon : against me here ;' not for the, purpose of de. 7 fence, for that is forbid to me, but as a sort of pre liminary observation to what . I mean afterwards to, otter ) in order that Inlay not: - proceed under any misunderstanding or misrepresentation ,of them, nor with any other construaion of. them, but that which , • the House Mean, I have stated, distinaly that cannot enter into. the . Resolutions, for the purpose of defence I have; therefore,, to require, the indul- Once of theHousewhilej enter. into them for the parposo of an' explanation,. which I allow not to be such as I would otherwise . wish to give. I proceed, to the explanation which is permitted to me, return ing thanks to the, Hot* for allowing me to offer myself to - its consideratien wish, first,,proceed- - hip; ors the plan: I hare laid dawn, tts. be certain. that I rightly understand the Resolutions come to by this House on April Bth,. They were fourteen in num ber, including one of loth April.. On the others I" am not at liberty to make any observation: on, the:twelfth and. thirteenth I have, therefore, prin cipally to trouble the Hotte with some explanatory observations. The first of theSe Resolutions ,states; that the execution of the Aa was poStponed till 1;796, andthat after ist June, 1797, large sums were, :contrary to the ACI, drawn from the Bank under the pretext of Navy. services, and vested ilex Navy and Exchequer Bills, in the .pnrcleise of stock and . the discount of private bills, for the purpose of private emolement. These words do not necessarily charge on me any participation in that use or that emolu thent, but they go to create a doubt with respe& to me which is rendered more strong by the next Re solution. The next Resolution states, " That Mr. Trotter; Pay -master, of ,the Navy, in making this use - ofthe public money; acted with the knowledge and consent of Lord Melville, Whose Private Agent he at the same time was." In order to upderstand .the impression . which theSe Resolutions are calcn-, lated to make it is necessary they should be cou- . pled together, and, taken" thus conjun&ly, they ha part that Mr. Trotter, at various. times, under the pretent.e of Naval Services, took the Public Money frosts the Bank, and exchanged it tor Navy and Ex chequer •Bills, and employed it in the. purchase .of 'stock; and in discounting private bills; and that in doing this he acted with my knowledge and con- , sent, being at the same time my Private Agent.— Thus they leave on the mind of every one to whom they reach, an. impression,.though such meaning is not expressly conveyed, that in the advances often or twenty thousandpounds,which it is stated I haye oc casionally received from Mr. Trotter, for my private use,. I was athially 'and knowingly participating in the misuse and emolument made of the Public Money. This is the joint effe& of these two Re- . solutidns which are entered on the Joureals, of this House, and which have found - their way into every corner of the Empire. These "Resolutions haie gone 'into every corner of the Conntry, under the high and-sacred san&ion of this House. I must, host ever, take the liberty of adverting , shortly to some cir cumstances, connected with the impression they were thus calculated to make ; . and first I must ask ,the House to pause for a moment,, and ask: the ef fect those Resolutions must have on the mind of anrmao. . Would it not be that I was implicated. in the transaetions contained us the ivth and 13th Resolutions of Bth and loth of April, to the considerable amount therein charged on me ?---- .There are some here present who have had oppor tunitiesof judging... how. far the impression I have stated is that which the Resolutions were calculated to Make. r. What. the &Yeas, of them have been I need not is known in every quarter, and goes to the full_ amount of a criminal charge. against me, on. . the ground that a certain understanding existed be tweeriMr. Trotter and me as to the application of the Miry. Money to the. purposes-of private emolument. I therefore call on the :Holise once more fora mo ment's pause, while I state What if I had been pre sent in any place or on , any occasion where any libel was uttered against me on' any Resolution of this House, I would have stated most decidedly and most distin&ly. I must on any such occasion have so lemnly asserted, in justification myself, here or elsewhere,. that such an imputation was erroneous, and without foundation. 'I never did know that M. Trotter drew any money from the Bank in contra vention of the law. I never did know that he ployed the PUbliCMOney in the purchase 'of Navy and Exchequer Bills,. in the purchase of stock, or in dis counting private bills. I have disclaimed all partici pation, all privity, to such transaaions, neither have . I. any knowledge that Mr/Trotter applied tti my be nefit any suns ef money derived from such sources. I am Iw/ere that the statement I here oiicr is, jasper ftA. • It is incomplete with respe& to 'various points "insisted upon in other places°, some of which I eau not'advert to, others it 'is not consistent with the dignity of the House .that I. should advert. to: It .is very generally, conceived out,of doors, from the Be *solutions I have adverted to, that I . Participated in the profits Mr. Trotter, is supposed to have , made by the uses to which he converted . the money.in his hands, preViOus, to the Resolution of Bth In my' letter to, the . Cenimissionera of Naval inquiry, I positively "denied any such, participation ; Mid certainly; if 'at any, time the question had bt...en ptit to Mr. Trotter, either before or after the pnblica thin of the Tenth Report,' he would have embraced the opportunity of contradi&ing, in, the. most:de cided terms, this unfounded calumny; He v, , 001d have denied, that Lord Melville had, - directly or indirealy, participated in, any proliti• made of the . Public Money, He would have stated that r --r--; Lord Melville had no knowledge '`whatsoever of such profits being made. Such are thesanssiers,' I believe; Mr.. Trotter would save given, for they are no more than I Mean. Thus I have' 'given you what is. - equivalent to- the ,positive assertion of the only two who know the particulars of the - transa6tion, and the amount of both is a positive denial of my having any participation:or knowledge of the thing. lam therefore entitled : to hope, un- less my conduit laboura'under the effea of a preju dice never known in any other case; unless, under a precedent never known ; I am 'to be condemned without one tittle of evidence. I trust the HOuse will 'be of opinion that there is no foundation What- Soever -in .this..injurious imputation.. Mr. Trotter's private. connexion with me, ',partieularly as my , Pri-": vate Agent, has been so much dwelt upon,- and in such various ways; and for such . purposes, that I hope • it will not be deemed impertinent in' me to detail the natureof fhis connexion ; and how it came . to be formed. When I came 'to have the superite tendanCe of the Navy • Pay Office', I . found Mr. Trotter had peen employed, t hy Sit Gilbert Ellie and Mr4!`Coilits, and Liien.':fattider the eyes 'of Mr. Douglas: •He can beibre tue frequently, and gained my good opinion fairly, by showing me the modes in which seamen were defrauded of the wages acid encouragements granted them for the benefit of the public service. I gave encouragement .to prose cute these objeas,• and it is to hint that the Country is in a great.tneasure indebted for those regulations, many of which amrecorded•oe your Statute flooks, fbr securing the benefits granted for the public ser vice not only to the:Seamen for their' oven lives, bitt to their. 'wives and families after their. death'. In consideration •of these fieryices, I -seleCied Mr. Trotter to fill-the 'office of Paymaster on the death of Mr. Douglas. The details of the administration of the office. and the payments 1t WWI impossible for me to discharge; they - ,were in his hands. This is the .whole history of 'the connexion between Mr. Trotter and the, and it is impossible. for me now, notwithstanding any occasional misconduct, to re fuse him the just ,acknowledgment; that during the fourteen years he acted as Paymaster of the Navy under me, every demand was satisfied Without de lay, and a.. sum of .34 millionse.Vas disbursed by him without any loss whatever t . ) the Public.— I will here read the instrument appointing Mr. Trotter Paymaster of the in 'which it will be fOttnd carefully specitied, ,that iii- every drait of money from the }Mk; the -service for which it • was drawn' should be statedt--afis Lordship here read the instrument; 'specifying acei)rdingiy This is the instrument on which Mr. Trotter acted, and the .House• «ill judge whether ;by this he was authorised to depart from the A6t of Parliament. I have said this much to enable me the tietter to understand the sense the House . had of. the . Resolutions of the Bth., and loth Aprii ; and for the purpose of shewing the grounds on which . Arocecct, if in zny future obsavitions I should put any interpretation upon them . whiCh the House may deem erroneous. The 14th Resolution states, -that I- was pricy to and. connived at the drawing of the Navy Money from the Bank for For poses of private emolunient, .and• that thus' I was guilty of a gross violation ,of the laW, and a.high breach of duty. On- this point lam certainly not a little embarrassed. There are many • things which I would 'wish - to state, but from 'the restrietion" laid upon :me, I must necessarily pass them by. • I will , however endeavour to touch upon. them in suth manner as I cazi.without infringing that obligatinn : and first I state •it generally as : a fkt,' that on no occasion whatever had ; Mr. Trotter the power of drawing money from the -Bank for pUrposes of pri vate emoluMent, rior-in any other *ay titan the. law ,direas. If •it has been any where stated; that Mr. Trotter had from me any power tb draw'the Public Money from the Bank for private purposes, I deny that there is any ground Or any adMl;sion whatsoever to'. arrant such a charge. If money was . draWn . for the purpose of detail payme n t s ,' or t o . , s . tisfy trasignments made out, I maintain that it wass - nOt illegally drawn.' I tltere,fore. wished to state ,upott thine 10th ftepOrt, ,in answer to the question, whether in 178'6 I antho s kixed the drawing. of the 'NaVy Money frons•the Bank of Engl4nd, and lodging it inn private Bank; e‘ that I cculd . not' state tfir precise time, but that. I allowed its being so draWn and lodged, the draft always specifying the • purpose's for' which it was' drawn."' I was then ,114gCti, AS the money was by the 25th of Geo. Me diretied to remain in the' Bank; and not to be deaWn Without specifying the purposes for which it was.drawn ; by' Wlett authority had permitted it to be drawn in a different man .leer ?" My answer was, that I understood the mo ney to have been always so. drawn, and that when I stated myself to have permitted it, I . el‘Oes ttti derstood.it_to" have been drawn according, to laW4OO by. competent authority. On inspeainey ilir Tool - of the Commissioners of Naval Inquiry,find they - aid disfinaly understand me in this. The' 'Commissioners state, that Lord Melville said he did permitmoney to be &atm from the Bank and !edg ed itt a private anker'S . while it Was net called : fin' by those entitled to demand it ; but that there was 'no authority front him to draw it ttorn the: Bank farther than , the amount' Of the apigninenta Made bythe different Board'se.which were daily laid before him. From these' . observations, coupled w ith m y evidence; there appearser diStinet Understanding that I never did give a p.oseer to draw the money con trery to law; and I therefore do contend, ,that if ever it has heen, or ever 'shall be said any When; that Mr. Trotter- had from me a ,power to draw the mo ney from the ,Baal; for purposes of private einole . meat, or for any perpoze3 intousistent with the law, the assert* is contrary to the titer and to the Re port of the . COMmissioners of Naval inquiry. , This 1 . . say ; not for the purpose of Arraigning the Itese, lutioni of this House; but for - the purpo,!e of reakinz the evidence' on the Table correetly onderAood. cunt eive‘ tht 4 e ,has been a aniveriat trtist.aka ii. thi2 (FAKE six?Elitgl. yespert, as if the Act of 25 'Geo. a Coin», plete 'digest for the '.dire: of the Ace of Trea- . surer of the Navy. That Act was not intended as ._ any such thing either by those whOintrodnced gar those . vtlio passed it. The object of 'MA 'Ad Wat, to convert the Account of the Treasurer of the Navy -from' a personuLto an', official Account, and to pre.. vent personS holding the office reiriiiinin,„e with large balances in their- hands., _Mid being debtorA . to' the Public to a- large amount, after they sliduld haVe vacated the. otilee That wAs the whole amount of this•short Art, WhiCh consisted 'altogether of no More than ten ortwelve Clauses; arid in this it differed, from the general Mt passed afterwards for * the 'regulation , of the" .Ufficii of i ,Paymaster Of the Forces., That Art- 'contained thirty-nine Claties; - and 'was a Coinplete digest and system fur the whole conduct of, the Office .of' Paymaster of the .Voi=eo.. The AA of g,sth Geo 111 Was to eause the Account to pass clear from the Treastwer of :he _Navy, to his immediate successor the moment he: went oat of office. The situation of these Offices was materially different in many resperiA. The whole - of the Pay Department -of the Navy was' under-the immediate dire bon of the Treasumr at the'n'avy - The ge neral distribution alone of the pay of the Army was under the -superintendance, of the -Paymaster of the- Forces ; -the details were managed • by, interior Agents. , In the Navy the. whole was managed by the- Treasurer and Officers Under him, on the Trea surer's responsibility. It is impossible, under these eireurnstlinces that the Mt 25, Geo• hare its its intention to take'away the discretion of draw- - . nig from the Bank' for detail payrrieuts. Before I came into the office of Treasufer 'of the Navy, and now,.many :payments arh made 'without specifying • the Seryiu---(Here 'the Arable Llrdstafed a very large amount. drawn i t Feb: last, Tor payments, MI under pOl. and a .gTeat proportion of it for minute 'pay dents 't:if 1 s, 6d. cq 14 - ..8d.y There were iii tits :at that. time no'less than &lon ship3-101;s open, every sea,. man belonging to Which was entitled to come, and demand his arrears, .however Minute. It was ut. . course absolutely impossible to pay these. Minute demands by drafts' on the Bank. The Mt could noi.possibly, Mean that they Should be satisfied. by ' drafts on th©' Bank in favour of 'the persons en titled to them: There is no provisions to that efra, in the A&; nor could that objea possibly have been in its contenviatton. I. cati atsd shew, from the AA,' that the moment bills are assigned for pay y . - Meta, the Paymaster is posgessed of legal authdri ty to draw for the arnotmt. 7 I put this questiOn If personsin whose favour asslgurnents have Wit made; to the amount of 10,9001.'or•upwxds, desire to receive them from a private bank, of frfmi the ofil;e, is it lawful to draw ' the money fioin the. tank - one instant before each specific de mand, or in 'any other ' way .than by di:.thirt and separate drafts ? I de suppose this will hardly be contended; Yet this is . an irregularity, if it is as-. .serted not to be understood to beregular, and tbce it would follow that- it is not legal. The result of tl.is reasoning is, that the Art -of Parlinimnt is not infringed nor Violated,: if, after an assignment, the money•is drawn out of the. Bank and lodged' in the iron chest Of the office, or in any other place Of, i-e --sponsibility, .so as to be forthcoming when it. is wanted, and tliat it' is not necessary every indivi dual should be paid by a specific draft. This was not . a,, ittbjert altogether neW ner net previously before the vi©w of, the 'Legislature at the time of passing this ;Mt. The Report of the ConariiS , . sioners of t7g9,, mit Of which the Mt of 17tis wag truly said to have originated, imptited the difference between the Treastirer's balance and the balance of the Navy Pay Offikelo this; that as soon as the dif:. • ferent Boards assigned the bills for parient, they gave credit for the pay anent, but the treasurer did not take' credit but for such as *ere. art - wily . paid: Thus the Treasurer's balance exceeded the Navy balbnce by the','tinThimt 'of that portion of the mand aS,signed Which was kept back 'and not pre= seated for payment. Nor' this difference the Com.; missioners of 17V!•3 thought • the Treasurer . 9s not accountable to the country,' but that it belonged, to . these 'who - were holders' of - the outstanding and un-% claimed 'iksignments. 'this is *414 but there is no, regulation. in the ACt of Parliament. to dire& the Treasurerof tW.Nairy on . this point. There is'• no histruolien as to 'detail . drafts - or ntiallined signMents. There is not -.a' syallable of rfrohibition ,'against drawingnmoney for these purposes, nor any reason to suppose the Art meant to prohibit them. —Having said thins • much on - this sobje6t, I hOpe now to be allowed . to call the' attention • ofthe HoUse to Some other poi4s.. 'have given suds 3,, view . of the Ar'i'as strikes me to be correa. lint if the I'lou e offered, is,a!)e i r s e ' i~iains cif' opinion that tlx piny n~ents shooksought to.: et : rwav noeu ,\se l should die p.barletiiisi i 4 1 - tl e 7 iats t Ni u ea o g i ot t ai s llit i ts f rteci l th make,have presitxt ed to u i l . il n (S ea ss I back thought the nlet to fo , i ~i i.tk it the mono of sufficient explaratiOn on ttie snbjea. ,But ain therefor e• acyliesee ia the large imputation 'exit upon me ? rw - iy try. a .violation of the Jaw withottt being a gro , ;s it itt lit. b r ietuji 'of duty withont being a high one and, :tiler tht , e:!tplanation I haVe given, it to the whether I der serve such a ,:e!ver - olinp.ittation cast on 411::., iii the argturents 1 b 3., hithetio made we of, I bave inonfly .Vvasqdrawn, withol:# any consideration at tile manner in which the reCerred abstraCte'n.ilv to the, Use of it. Bat I 'conic! Understand how the tiairoy so Arir.i n tuly be tpade the sout,eitt of , private . ernolurnent without any ptcjvdice to the PolAie: I teats neither trOro nor less than. this, that there rtiar be'f - an ,urfdarsuitidin between the Pay muter tii;cl Alla Bathers to divide between them thp emolUiiients 4.;:ising from the ui- of the' inwey in• the trad6, t. ith tut admitting the money to bd ever wanting whoa re4u.ir4d for the POblic service. I