The Sun. — London, England, 1860-02-03 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LARDS-(YESTERDAY•) The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat on the woolsack at live o'clock. Lord CHELMSFORD presented a petition against the abolition of Church-rates, and against any bill for legalising marriage with a deceased wife's sister. The Earl of DERBY presented two petitions against the abolition of Church-rates. Lord COLVILLE presented petitions from Mattishall, Northwold, and Kirby Bedor, in the diocese of Norwich, against the abolition of church-rates without providing an equivalent REAL PROPERTY BILL. Lord BROUGHAM moved that the Law of Property Bill, which was read a first time on Tuesday last, be p w r as no d.. The The noble and learned lord explained that his bill identical with Sir Hugh Cairns' bill. PRIVATE BILLS. Lord REDESDALE moved that no bill originating in this house, and i n cluded in either of he two classes of private bills in standing order No. 178, t be read a time after Tuesday, the 14th of February, except with spe cial leave of the house. LAW OF PROPERTY BILL. On the motion that the house; go into committee on this bill, Lord ST. LEONARDS entered into the principles in volved in the bill, and detailed the alterations made in the present measure from that which was in their lordship's house last year. [His lordship spoke in such an indistinct tone that not a single complete sentence could be heard in the gallery.] Lord BROUGHAM said the profession and the public at large laboured under great obligations to the noble and learned lord, who devoted the whole time of his retirement to the amendment of the law. (Hear, hear.) The LORD CHANCELLOR said he entirely approved of the bill of the noble and learned lord (St. Leonards). He thought the clause relative to constructive notice was a great improvement on the law as it stood. The house then went into committee, and a few verbal amendments having been made, the bill was reported. Their lordships then adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS—(YEsTERDAY.) The SPEAKER took the chair at four o'clock. NEW 111EMBEIt. Mr. CHILDERS took the oaths and his seat for Ponte fract. --- ELECTION PETITIONS. The committee on election petitions was sworn. PETITIONS. Petitions were presented in favour of the legalisation of marriage with a deceased wife's sister ; against the unqua lified abolition of church rates ; from Mr. Churchward, Go vernment contractor, praying for inquiry into certain grievances of which he complained ; in favour of vote by ballot ; against Sunday trading, &c. HIGH COURT OF ADMIRALTY. Mr. DIGBY SEYMOUR gave notice of a motion affirming the propriety of extending the jurisdiction of the High Court of Admiralty. CAVALRY. Sir DE LACY EVANS moved for a return specifying the regiments of cavalry in which there were vacancies in the rank of cornet on the Ist of Jan., 1860, and the number of such vacanciesin each regiment; also, the number of vacan cies at the last examination for admission into the Military College of Sandhurst ; the number of candidates (if any) who were permitted to fill those vacancies without having obtained the minimum number of marks prescribed as ne cessary in order to enter that institution : and, copy of con tinuation of correspondence between the War Departments and Treasury concerning proposed augmentation of the pay or allowances of junior officers of the army, previously sub mitted to the house, if such correspondence should have been continued or renewed .—Agreed to. FLOGGING IN THE ARMY. Mr. B. COCHRANE gave notice of a motion on this subject. MR. CHISHOLM ANSTEY. Mr. E. JAMES asked the Under Secretary for the Colo nies whether he was prepared to lay on the table of the house the papers for which an address was moved last ses- Ilion, with reference to certain charges made by Mr. Chis holm Anstey, Attorney-General of Hong Kong, against certain officials there, and also with reference to the sus pension of Mr. Chisholm Anstey. Mr. C. FORTESeUE said that the papers alluded to were prepared, and would shortly be produced. SAVOY AND NICE. Mr. DISRAELI said that he wished to repeat the ques tion which he had asked on a previous occasion, namely, whether the noble lord the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs intended to lay before the house the communications which had taken place with reference to the alleged pro posal on the part of France to annex Savoy and Nice ? Lord J. RUSSELL said that he had communicated with . . our Ambassador in France, and had given the subject of the production of these papers his gravest consideration.. The result of that declaration was that it would not be ad v isable toproduce the documents referred to by the right hon. gentleman. He would, however, state to the house what was the substance of those papers. In July last Mr. Harris communicated with Count Walewski respecting the supposed intention of France to carry out the annexation, and had received a reply of a most satisfactory charact& to the effect that no such intention existed on the part of the Emperor of the Freneh. (Hear.) The result was that on the receipt of this important announcement, the Govern ment directed a despatch to be forwarded to the French Go vernment expressing the gratification that was felt by the executive of this country at the intelligence received. (Hear.) STEAM PACKET MAIL CONTRACTS. Mr. BOUVERIE asked the hon. and gallant member for Berkshire when the house would be in possession of the terms of his motion relative to the contracts made by Go vernment with steam packet companies for the public service. Captain VERNON said that hon. members would re ceive that information to-morrow. CIVIL SERVICE EXPENDITURE. Mr. WISE rose, pursuant to notice, to move that, in the opinion of this house, it would be desirable to appoint every year a select committee to inquire into the miscellaneous civil service expendittire of the preceding year; into the payments made out of the consolidated fund ; and into those on account of the Woods, Forests, and Land Revenues. He hoped hon. members would not consider it waste of their tine to give a little attention to the subject of his motion Whether they looked to the past expenditure of the country or to the fact that £55,000,000 were now required for the debt and defences of the country, the necessity for a strin gent inquiry into the expenditure was apparent. It had been proposed that the estimates for the year should be re ferred to a select committee, but that he could not help re garding as a device to cast off from the Executive Govein ment the duties and responsibilities of their office. The desirAbleness, however, of assisting the Treasury to exercise a further check and control of the civil service expenditure could not be denied. He should be satisfied if the house would adopt the principle of his resolution, but at present thinivil service estimates, as they came before hon. mem bers, were a snare to them. With the exception of the army and navy, and the estimates for the British Museum, with one or two others, it was impossible for the house to come to a just conclusion, upon them. He was therefore disposed to believe, without any want of confidence in the Govern - went of the day, whoever they might happen to be, that an _ annual review by a committee of the house of the expendi ture and revenue of the Woods and Forests Department, of the oharges on the consolidated fund, and of the miscella neous expenses in connection with the civil service would be attended with a considerable reduction in the amount of out lay. He was convinced he only echoed the general opinion of the country when he said that the miscellaneous estimates were increasing with ear • s'lve and alarming rapidity. Inde pendent of th e ordinary sources of expenditure there were many secret drain s upon t h e public funds, so mysterious' and complicated, that they seemed almost to evade the control of the Treasury, as they certainly defied the investigation of the house. The people of the. try placed large sums of money in the hands of the Country placed large sums of money in the hands of the Gov with cheerful ala crity whenever they were afikedfor t li:o t r t t i rt national pur poses, but they had a right to insist l be faithfully appropriated and frugally these sums should expended. t He thought hon. members were bound tolisenoithetrestions . which were always being addressed to them _stituents as to what was done with the moneyyvoteedd.reveeenr); year" and prove themselves really and truly the the public purse, by demanding a proper systenr ol ' in la q n ulrp of • Into the annual expenditure of the country. It was the practice of the occupants of the Treasury bench to declare that they were not responsible for the amount of expendi ture, and that it was forced upon them by the House of Commons. Were hon. members willing to accept that decla ration and the responsibility which it devolved upon them ? Were they prepared to admit that no inspection of expendi ture was required, and that no reduction m its amount could be effected ? He believed most hon. members were agreed that the Civil Sell ice estimates were too large, that many of the charges upon the Consolidated Fund ought to be other wise provided for, and that the Lands and Forests revenue fell below what it might be made by proper management. He was satisfied thet the examination of a committee would lea:d to the saving bf thousands, if not millions of money, without any injury to the strength or efficiency of the pub lic serv ice. (Hear.) He wished to call the attention of the house to an important Parliamentary paper which had been issued, giving an account of the increase in the Civil Service estimates for the last 20 or 2.5 years. In the year 1839 the total amount of these estimates was £2,651,000, while last year they came to £7,880,000. In 1817, when we were at peace, they were only £1,480,000, and before the Reform Rilt, in 1830, £1,'172,000. The average for the 10 years ending 1827 was £2,115,000 ; for the 10 years ending 1837, £2,269,000; for the 10 years ending 1847, £3,016,000; and for the last 10 years,-£5,710 , 000. The expenditure for the 20 years ending 1839 was £43,226,000; and for the 20 years ending 1859, £94,955,000. It was instructive to compare the t)tals of each class of expenwiture in 1839 and 1858 :—Pub lie buildings, parks, &c., 1839, £197,000; 1859, £793,000. Salaries and expenses of public departments, 1839, C23,00(1; 1859 , £ 1,413 , 000. Law and justice, 1839, 666,000 ; 1859, £182e49,410.00.. Education, science, and art, 1839, £175,000; ,859 . , tia23,000. Colonial and consular, 1839, £ 339,000 ; x2o ,o ' o 'r; o 2 l Superannuation and allowances, 1839, 1859, 985 Z 9 , £242,000. Miscellaneous, 1839, £217,000 ; Parliament, new (Hear.) It was stated that the Houses of than £2,716,00c and temporary, cost the country no less the trouble, he yet if any hon. member would take would find that the s hid tone was to walk round the building, he and that numerous swas already in a state of decay, Palace, he was sorr y t o fi s sureswere apparent. Buckingham ry 1 ): to look at St. Paul's, So t tion. Bat they h ad oul say, was in much the same condi house, the Banqueter all, or the Horse uardisnetorsseee make such errors as we did Somerset that their ancestors the selection of stone . d id (ll l e o a t r If there had been a in Finance Cotamittee appointed rerrularl aund carefully this matter would have been m Y hr e u v t e e r l y year he was sure that enuiture might into, and no doubt some of the enormous inquired have been moved, or, at least, laid out to s b e e x tl ) doubt, grant; for harbours of refuge were consideerraturP°" The but they were for a great national object, and l a e li n t e hat was asked wag, that they should be economically spent, and that value shotod be got for the money. He found th at as as £26,000 a year was spent in hiring depertmentaletTiuceeeh and could not kelp thinking that a miserable plan o f carry " - int on the Government of a great country like this. A great many buildings ti'n'e also rented for the use of commissions; and he might mention, by the way, that since 1830 no le ss than £831,171 had been spent in commissions. During the last 20 years the furnit `tire of the public departments had cost £450,000. He freely a d n :ipted that the gentlemen connected with the Treasury and ti.' e offices of Secretaries of State ided for in that respect. wet.' generallynot extravaga Prlf .e.eei,e....e..--eeeeeeaeeseee--eeeeee.eesseaeeeeeeee--eeae--eeeseaee..sae-- - Lor d He believed that in those departments the duties were very the in-coining Lieutenant for his outfit was classed head of contingencies, but the house would bear would in mind that within a comparatively few there years had efficiently discharged. But still, _taking the expe n diture in under the flie - w - hOle of the publie departments toget her , it ance ofl,ooo a year to the High Commis . sioner of the found it was exactly doubled. The increase of expendi ar- been ei g h t Viceroys appointed. (Hear, hear ) The all w tore did not arise in the charges for the two y • a w e P 0,000. General Assembly of Scotland, and of £2,000 to the itine liaraent, which were in 1852, £89,000, and last u ro ld us be th br a o t ug t h he t , As far as the House of Commons WAS concerned, ysar the whole rant preachers , he should also like to remove; and last, expenditure was £52,000, of which 141,000 was supplihedwebryo a i n l d Bo, n oo o o t p l a e i a d st, fo h r e di w pl a o s ma p t a i r o ti s c e ul rv a i r e l e y s desirous fees. Probably in no public office in the =trope s economy and efficiency so combited, and . all w e ho had had ex- into the estimates. A resolution which he had proposed pe 'once of the House of Commons and its officers knew that last session was rejected by a majority of 28 in a house Ile n e latter had always discharged their duties with an effi- of 256 members, but he still hoped that Parliament ciency and a courtesy which deserved general thanks. expe nditure see the advisability of exercising a control over the (Cheers.) Between 1839_ and 1859 they had spent in that department. The diplomatic service £6,000,0 00 in printing and stationery. In 1856, the item cost the country last year £268,898, and the consular seer was £458,000, but he was happy to see that last year it was vice £252,796, making a total of £521,694. Besides this reduced to £337,000. (Hear, hear.) lie should be very charge on the Consolidated Fund he found that in the last serry to curtail the printing of useful documents, but he 11 years there had been expended on the same account thought the printing should be limited to papers of that miscellaneous, £248,000 ; special missions, £133,000 ; Em kind. The stationery and official postage items were both bassy-houses, chapels, £95,500 ; rent and outfit, very much abused. Gentlemen connected with the Science £108,009 and £70,000. So that, if some supervision were and Art Department did , not study economy in those re- not exercised over these sums, they would go on increasing spects. He received from time to time from that department, until in a few years the cost of these united diplomatic ser in common, he supposed, with' eve ry p e er and member of vices would amount to millions instead of thousands. He P ar liament, bushels of papers, which went into their house- had given a plain unvarnished tale, with the object of in maids' baskets. He had recently received one, rather more during the house to adopt some measures that might more than usually attractive. It was in a huge official envelope, effectually check this stream of expenditure which received b e aring on the outside, "Henry Cole, Science and Art Dee but a very inadequate consideration when the perio d of late pertinent, South Kensington-On her Majesty's Service," sittings and hot nights came on-(hear, hear) --and when and consisted of .an almanac. (Laughter.) He liked to members were tired and the house was impatient to enter buy his own almanacs, and really he thought the Treasury on other business. The only consideration at which he ought to check this sort of nonsense. (Cheers.) They all had been able to arrive was that the people of England knew that they could not do without Secret Services, but had too reach money. th e ySoue had said that a Government under that head there had been an expenditure during 20 never could be too rich, bu a the same observation did years of £954,600, and he very much doubted whether the not apply to the people who were governed. To impose secret information which had been obtained was worth the taxation was easy, and to disburse it was agreeable ; but the money. (Hear, hear.) When any complaint was made of payment of taxes, except in eases of great national emer increase of salaries they were generally 'told , that a great gency, was a process that was always painful and disagree number of salaries were put in lieu - of fees..: In. 1851 able. (Hear, beer.) A rigid reform in the expenditure the fees amounted to £138,000. Last year they might be very annoying to many of those persons who re had dwindled down to £lll,OOO, and of that sum the House presented ignorant incapacity and distinguished destitution, of Commons' fees supplied £41,000, sO that the fees did but to the people of England a more rigid economy would be not amount to any very large sum, and could not very acceptable. Before placing any new burdens on thepub contribute as largely to salaries as was represented. (Hear.) lic, the house ought to inquire whether the money it had He had a great respect for both law and justice, but he al 'ready granted was properly expended. There was no wish thought the expenditure under that head, which was enor - to diminish the efficiency oft he national service or refuse any mously increased, required revision. The item was £2,500,000 asked w ah s, t ge e wasted, fund. He did not say that the charge on the consolidated the revenue should really be used for the public benefit, and fund was improper, because the judges ought to be provide& the little interests of little men should not be allowed to in for in that permanent form. Into the important item of terfere with the great interests of a great country. (Hear. education, science, and art, there was a commission inquire hear.) The hon. member concluded by moving his resolu ing at the present time, but he was anxious to call attention tion. to the fact that the expenditure under that head had in- Mr. A. SMITH seconded it. He feared that the vast in creased from £175,000 in 1819 to £1,328,000 in 1859. He crease in the public expenditure during the last few years hoped the country was receiving an equivalent for that ex- could not be ascribed to the Government of the House of penditure. They voted last year £230,000 for pupil teachers, Commons alone, but that Parliament, the Government, and and his experience taught him that the pupil teacher sys- the public itself were all more or less involved in the blame. tern was becoming a failure ; they had married very early, He feared there were influences at work that induced the if they were attractive young women, or went out as gover- house to relax in its duty of scrutinizing the estimates. It nesses, and that in one way or the other they left the service had been said that only the upper classes were interested of the educational staff. (Hear.) The next item was the in this expenditure. But on examination it would be found consular and colonial expenditure. lie was pleased to think that the amount of the expenditure by which this particular that the committee which sat on the consular system two or class was benefitted was really very small. The middle three years ago had not been without its effect, and he sin- class had a large share in the advantage of this expenditure cerely trusted that her Majesty's Government would carry and so had the glass of mechanics and workmen. There out the recommendations of that committee. Her Majesty's was a combination of the influence of all classes to urge on late Government entered very warmly into the question, an increase of expenditure. How often were members and were, he believed, prepared to adopt measures likely to of that house heard complaining that particular classes lead to great and beneficial changes. (Hear, hear.) . The of persons did not receive a proper amount of pay ? Some colonial charges were very large indeed, amounting in five hon. gentlemen took up the case of the officers employed years to £22,000,000. Then there was the superannuation in the administration of the Poor Law, others that of the and other items, into the details of which he w o u ld not mechanics in the different dockyards, or the officers of the enter, but he begged to call the attention of the house to Customs' Department. Class 7. Those estimates were generally laid on the t able From both sides of the house the y at a very late period of the session, when there was no heard arguments why there should be an increase in the ex penditure for the benefit of particular parties. A nother time for investigation. They were termed temporary principle also operated in the same direction. The Execu- five of the day, in order to carry out certain views of local charges, but he was sorry to say, after the first appearance of an item in that class, it was generally continued for ever afterwards, (Hear, hear.) With all respect for the metro- government , would place on the Consolidated Fund certain expenditure. The politan members, he objected to the large sums invariably sums as charges in relief of loca l house sanctioned the practice and the cent al Government gained demanded for metropolitan purposes. In counties they g reater control in a c ertain built bridges, made public gardens, and discharged at their department of administ ration. own expense all the duties which No. 7 of the estimate for the metropolis. For instance, last year they voted for s did was raised to more than it wou ld have been had it been But the result to the country w as that the expenditure Battersea-park, Chelsea-bridge, and Vauxhall embankment borne either by the general or the local g overnment alone. It was simply burning the candle at both ends. Of thi s no less than £525,000. (Hear.) With regard to the Conso - kind were the grants lidated Fund the items comprised in it were never brought in aid of education, which had been enormously extended ; the grants in aid of county rates, before the house. They were printed in a blue-book at the of the expenses of the Poor Law Board, grants for the end of each session; but something more was required than support of prisons and the rural police, with a an inquiry within the four walls of the Treasury. The right variety of other grants of the same kind. A recent act hon. gentleman the Chancellor of the Exchequer had, in had created a Board of Public Works, in addition to the 1854, expressed an opinion that there was no point on which Board of Woods and Forests. Instead of being an economi the house was more apt to be led into laxity than that of cal arrangement, the new Board of Public Works now cost laying on the Consolidated Fund charges which it ought more than the old Board of Woods and Forests-the latter not to bear, the consequence of which was, that in some £23,000 annually, the former £ 26 , 000 . In the a ccounts of measure they escaped the control of Parliament and were the Woods and Forests money was set down as c a p it a l that f or gotten, and the right hon. gentlem an also said that it ought to be returned as revenue, and paidinto the T reas u r y . would be advisable to establish_ some means by which the a ttention of the house would be draw n p eriodicall y to these The public was paying £50, 000 to enhance the v alue of the Crown lands that ought to be paid into the Treasury, as charges. That was exactly the object of this motion. The part of the compensation paid to the country for the settle first item en the Consolidated Fund was £385,000 for the ment of the Civil List of the Sovereign. These points should Civil List. and, with regard to that, the only observation be clearly understood, he should therefore support the rase he would make would. be a hope that her Majesty might lution in favour of an inquiry. , live many years in health and happiness to enjoy it. He Mr. LAING thOught the house was very much indebted was glad to observe that there had been a great improve ment lately in the revenues of the duchies of Lancaster and to the hon. member who had made the p resent motion for Cornwall, for a few years ago they used to bring in very having brought under its notice a subject of great import little and cost a great deal. In the duchy of Lancaster there ance and one which excited out of doors a considerable was a chancellor, a vice-chancellor, an attorney- general, and amount of public interest. A very general impression 50 other officials; in short, to use Burke's words, " all the apparatus of a kingdom to manage a country gentleman's seemed to prevail throughout the country that the expendi estate." The house, he contended, had a right to look into ture , forthe civil service had gone on of late years increasin g the management of l these Crown lands and forests, to see to a very alarming extent, and that , too , notwithstandin g whetherthey produced a sufficient revenue. By an act passed it was supposed to be in a great degree under the control of in the reign of George IV. it appeared that the expenses of the collection were the first charge on the revenues, then pen sions, and whatever was left went to the State. It was high military and naval purposes, influenced by circumst ances time that this mode of proceeding was altered, and the corn- which might render a large outlay unavoidable, It was, mittee on public moneys was of the same opinion. In their re- therefore, that the civil service expenditure was regarded as port they expressed an opinion " that these charges should bo affording the best test of the.economy of Parliament, and it brought under the system of votes for expenditure, just like was for that reason, among others, that he held the opinion the charges respecting other branches of the public revenue. But in answer to this report the Treasury h ad made a that if the specific motion before the house should be minute to the effect that "My Lords" were of Opinion that, deemed to be well adapted to secure the end for which it considering the peculiar nature of this revenue, it was ad- had been brought forward, and which every hon. member visable to postpone any further consideration of this point must be anxious to attain, it should be at once acceded unlil a further mvestigation took place preparatory to a new to. It was quite clear at all events that, so far as the surrender of the Crown lands to the publie, and a grant of a new Civil List to the Crown. lie never could understand convenience of the Government was concerned, the the reason of the Treasury for recommending this postpone- appointment of the proposed committee would relieve them meat. Mr. Huskisson, Lord Monteagle, and other public from a very heavy responsibility; but as responsibility men whose judgment should have great weight, were of could not be thrown to any degree upon one or two opinion that the control of Parliament ought to be exercised bodies without pro tanto relieving the other from it s pros over these revenues quite as much as over any other branch of the public revenue. According to a Parliamentary paper sure, it was a point well worthy of consideration whether lately delivered the revenue of the Crown lands, Woods and the accomplishment of such a result would in itself be ex- Forests, from 1816 to 1859 was £13,273,295, and the ex- pe ien . (Hear, h ear.) The hon. gentleman (Mr. Wise) d" t penses upwards of £6,000,000. The income for 1858-9' was had; it was true, contended that the objection which he had £416,771, and the sum received by the Consolidated Fund was £280,040, from which was to be deducted a vote on Es- just - pointed out might in a great measure be removed by timate 2of £23,000, so that it cost £190,231 to get £256,540. submitting to the notice of the committee, not the estimates In 20 years the total revenues amounted to £6,705,917, out of the ensuing, but those of the past financial year; but as of which was to be taken £2,214,000 far manage- nearly four-fifths of the expenditure of one year were made meat, and £995,000 for permanent improvements, leaving a up of sums which reappeared in the estimates for the next, net profit to the State of £3,495,000. This was much as if it was quite clear that the committee, in sanctioning those a country gentleman, with a gross rental of £3,300 had to items, would, to a very considerable extent, remove from pay £l,lOO for management and £.500 for permanent im- the shoulders of the Government any responsibility which provements, leaving himself with an income of £1,700. might attach to their re-insertion, and would furnish the What tenant for life would admire that state of things ? Minister with a satisfactory answer to any such inconve- Yet it exactly represented the position of the country with nient questions which might be addressed to him by the reference to the revenue of the Crown lands. No doubt hon. and learned member for Marylebone as to the large the gentleman at the head of the Department had effected ness of the amount which the house might be asked to re considerable improvements of late ; but there was still a vast vote under any particular head. (Hear, hear.) Be that, amount of unseen and uncontrolled expenditure. Leaving however, as it mi g ht, he felt it to be hie duty to lay before the lands, and travelling now to the mysterious recesses of the house the real state of the civil service estimates, in :the Woods and Forests, it appeared fi on this paper that the order that hon. members might be in a position to judge receipts of the Woods and Forests from 1803 to 1859 had upon whose shoulders it was meat desirable that responsi been £2,589,183, and the expenses £2,085,304. In 1859 the bility with respect to them should be permitted to rest. He receipts were £47,181, and expenses £•52,984; in 1858 the should not in endeavouring to effect that object go further receipts were £68,743, and expenses £58,170 ; and in 1857 back than tie financial year 1852-3, when a large amount the receipts were £63,811, and the expenses £55,469. In had been transferred from the Consolidated Fund to the order that it might not be thought that he had selected an estimates, inasmuch as any calculations based upon their exceptional period he would take the four years ending 18.52, previous amountwould be because:of that change completely in which he found that the receipts were £ 186,000, and the illusor y . Now, thehon.gentlemanwhohadbrought theques. expenses £lBB,OOO. In the four years. ending 1856 the tion under the notice of the house had referred to the greatly receipts were £307,000 and the expenses £245,00 0 . For the increased expenditure in connexion with the public offices three years ending 155 9 the receipts were £ 175 , 000 and the last year as compared with the year 1846; but it was an expenses £166,000, making for that period of 11 years a portant in dealing with that subject to bear in mind that total of receipts of £673,000 and of expenses £600,000. Tak- the increase was to be accounted for by the transfer from the ing now three of these Crown forests, it appeared that in Consolidated Fund to the estimates to which he (Mr. Laing) that of Dean the receipts last year were £11,900 and the ex- had already alluded ; the fact being that, instead of there penses £11,300 ; in the New Forest £16,000 had been re- being any increase, there was in many instances a slight ceived and £ll,OOO expended ; and in Windsor Forest, diminution in the salaries of o ffi cers employed in our pub which from its vicinity to the Castle was exeePtionallYplaced lia departments. But, to proceed, to the statement of the and required additional outlay in salaries, upon labour, the civil service expenditure, taking the financial years 1852-3 maintenance of deer, &c., the receipts had been £ 5 , 000 and a s a starting - point , he found that in that year the s u m the expenses £ 19,030. When the large establishments and voted under that head was £4,407,000, while in 1853 it expe n ses connected with the Woods an d Forests were corn- was £7,840,000, thus showing, in the expenditure in the plamed of it was urged that they w ere absolutel y requisite latter over the former year, what at first sight appeared to for the management of this extensive p ro p ert y , which be an actual increase of £3,433,000. It mt.st be borne in amounted nominally, in forests alone, to 103,000 acres ; but mind, however, that of that amount 11,500,000 must be laid Member-" 18541-had been made to the estimates from he believed it was the fact that they had not a really bonefi- to the account oft) transfer which in 1853-[An hon. cial interest in more than 30,000 acres. A few years ago the Treasury directed three gentlemen of eminence to visit these the Consolidated Fund. That being so, hon. members could the whole of the civil service, as between the two years which portions of the Crown property, and they proceeded during not fail to perceive that the real increase of expenditure for he had mentioned, was somewhere about £1,900,000. And their, term of inspection to Delamere forest, which he would take as an example of the injudicious mode of treatment that had sometimes been adopted. The commissioners reported how, let him ask, was that amount made up ? Chiefly of that the 4,000 a c res o f which the forest was composed " was items which were the result of legislation for which Per in every respect u nsu it e d to the growth of oak, and that such liament itself was responsible. Now, the first item of in e crop oug ht never to h ave b een p l an t e d u p o n it ; that trees crease d urin g the seven y ears endin g in 1859 which he halild been plant e d i n suc h p l aces me i o f su ch sizes as to preclude should mention was that under the head of education, chance of their success ; that considerable loss had been science, and art, in which there was an increase of £860,000; a su v stain ! d by an unskilful mode of cutting down trees ; that the next was that which came under the head of law, jus are a moun t i n v a l ue of thriving larch trees, admire tice, police, prisons, convicts, &c., in which the increase ably erY suited to the soil in which they were growing and ap- for the same period had een £555,000 ; that under preaching rapidly to coed timber had been - dieplaced to give the head of harbours being £150,000 ; of pub room for stunted thriftless oaks; which were of no Present lic buildings, parks, &c., £150,000 ;of stationery, £20,000; value and Treasurytothea .s r v r h e i a c r h s 2 never could attain any." He desired in an of postage, telegraphs, &c., £100,000; making altogether a especial manner to direct the attention of the Secretary to total increaselof £ 1,800,000. There were, however, in ad thewwehrischntwadeereuppetromAitptedril in no every y r dition, other charges made in the civil service estimates last year. In 1857 the arrears w hich 0 ware thus permitted to tart' objects, in the rent a ccounts w as er fo e r in in re st a a l n ity ee, c a men su e in cted of £loth7,nooaov,alwahniclehmhialid in 1859 to £202,248. The Treasury remain due amounted to 12- 11, in 1858 to £206,680, and been voted for the purpose of laying down a telegraph to the power of checking this certainly ought to have Gibraltar, to enable us to communicate with that fortress, injurious effects, as events, to have existed for thr ee sys t em, which seemed, at all and also with our fleet in the Mediterranean ; and a sum of t . t t nd which must be £60,000 in connexion with the exchange upon remittances, attended with very a sum as £200,000 to remain in the han ds i d p s ermitted so large which, together with some smaller amounts, made up a sum agents and stewards charged with the ethe country of L 200,0110 the total increase for the seven years ending in venues of the Crown. (Hear.) The capitatcollec tion of the re- 1858 being,' as he had said before, about £ 1,900,0300. With account likewise leaped to the expenditure which was incurred for the pub called for examination, as it was both mysterious or an 4 c i lunsa- lie departments he thought it desirable to make a few re tisfactory in its nature. Withi n t he last 30 years marks with the view of removing from the public mind the Crown property to the value of £2,408,203 had been and this system of constant sales and re-investments s old , S: va salds erroneous impression that money was lavishly laid out in h i soc iety. e would Now , connexion e with them in order to increase patronage, espe attended with ineonvenience and enormous expense. a su y eh fo w r e t r h e e th be e n e e a fi s t e- of w th h e ie u h p i p t e l r ve c s la; i year an amount of no less than £13,037 was paid for legal if g o e t s - o t f h e s ° c c expenses and plans incidental to these sales of Crown lan d s, apply to the expenditure for the Treasury and the Colonial and though it might be extremely desirable to consolidate Department rath er this property, which was scattered through almost every .inas h than to any other of the public offices, county in England, and so to get rid of a large army f Mlle as c lerkship s in those departments were 0, ro- sought after by young more male , iesurveyors, st e sards,and ern ts-(hear)-he thought found ithat while the total men of good family. He, however, the improvement might be more judiciously effected than by was, in 1852, £54 400 expenditure for the Treasury this perpetual system of buying and selling. The Chancellor £54 • while , ,it was in 1859 not more than of the Exchequer had, the • wise and e ,600 , in the case of the Colonial-office, a few years ago, taken p nditure, which, in the • I-office, the ex of of charges in the latter judicious course of removing a great num ber _ __ not more than £3) 978 The ' ' from the Censolideed Fund to the estimates for the year ; office, in fact, i n een . ~ •. only public whom he be- been an n • • nemon with which there had and he trusted that the right hon. gentleman, with r y taterially •increased outla in 1859 lieved to be at heart a riacere financial reformer, would per- lBe2, was the Foreign-office, an y d t he ' as wmpared severe in the same beneficial direction. There were a num- instance was to be accounted for by the increase in that her of charges which, in his opini )n, might with great ad- telegrams and special messengers. n the cgs of vantsgebe removed from the Consolidated Fund to the yearly Law O ffi ce there had been an actual deeri. as 'o f . the Poor estimates, where they would be exposed to the consideration penditure in 1859 as compared with 1852, theeseuin the ex and criticism of the house. Amon.. these he placed the charge it having been in the latter year £95,000, whileTn yed f6r for the Lunacy Commission of 11' 9 ,500 ; that for the Audit- moor it had been only £59,000. Taking the civil th efor.. office of £6,300, which was in addition to the sum of estimates generally, indeed, he found that, while there s e rv ice v £32,466, appearing on the estimates for the expenses of that a great increase in t h at expenditure which miaht be sai d to office. Th e n there was the sum ofllo,ooo for secret service come more especially under .Pr liamentary control, a very mon e y, i n a dditi on t o th e £32,000 i n the estimates ; and this considerable regard t o a dministrative economy was cheer:: item he should like to abolish altogether, believing that it able in the managemen of . he public offices. Th ere we . t man items in the civil • le ' was oposed to the openness of the English character, and for example; a grea y service esti that the country had never derived any substantial benefit mates over which the Governmen t could hardly be said to from such expenditure. The sums of £ lO , OOO for the G..- have any control whatever, as, for instance, in those cases vernment of the Isle of Man ; £ 17,000 for the auginenta in which new establishments were brought into existence tion of stipend t o the owing to a vote of the House of Commons, with a fixed West India s the Scotch clergy ; and £20,300 to 'attached t the'r mai t T enance. aim clergy might in like manner be transferred ad- scale of expenditure .o i n vantageouslto law and justice. T . hat house had seen the Lord Lieutenant the estimates. The salary of e 20,000 to the department of w ined on the of Ireland ought, perhaps to be re- fit to extend the advantages of cheap justice by establish thenot been done • h wan maintained onsolidat e d Fund as long as the office itself ing the County Courts; but that ha d - dition to this2o ; but it should be remembered that in ad- out considerable expense to the country. He was afraid of Castle expelislOtherewere further payments on account that in matters of expenditure a committee would not be household of £6, 1 3 10 the amount of £4,378, and to the quite so satisfactory as the hon. gentleman supposed; and yearly. The allowance of £3,000 to he could not give a better instance of what was likelT to occur than that which happened in the case of a committee ever which the hon. member for Stafford presided—viz., the committee on our consular establishments. The recom- mendations of that committee were of great value, and led to great improvements in our consular system ; but, in so far as economy was concerned, the result would have been an increased expenditure £40,000 or 1 L50,000 a year had tha Government, in revising the consular system, and carrying out the principles of the committee, not been able to do so in a lesi expensive way. He referrid to that as affording tho house a proof of the difference that existed between the ac tion of .a committee and the Government. Indeed, he could hardly recollect an instance in Which a committee had sat to investigate any matters involving expenditure—such as harbours of refuge, designs for the :oreig-9.- . oflice, or other public works—iii Which - the result of theii - labours, however beneficial to the public; had not opposed the interests of economy. (Hear, hear.) Another objection to the ap pointment of this committee was that all large items on which the possibility of carrying out an extensive system of economy mainly turned were devoted to subjects of such general interest that the house could hardly be expected to listen to the opinion of any committee in the event of its recommending a reduction in them. Among these was the vote for education, by far the largest and most important to which his hon. friend had referred. The annual increase that took place in the vote for education alone swallowed up over and over again all that could be economised in smaller matters. If they were onlyto have regard to economy nothing would be easier than to say how far the expenditure could be cut down ; but, in the case of questions affecting the higher interests of the country generally other considerations had te) be attended to,(Hear.) His hon. friend referred to the Woods and Forests. There, again, a great difficulty—and that a con stitutional one—stood in the way of such an inquiry as he suggested. If the Government or the country were absolute owners of the whole of the Crown property there might be no difficulty in saying what were best to be done. Pro bably it would be to convert the whole of their landed pro perty into money, and invest it in securities, where no staff of officials or foresters would be required to guard it, be cause a large landed property scattered all over the king dom, including a great amount of waste land, was just that c sort of property that required all the supervision and eco nomy of a private individual owner to manage it well. They all knew how the estates of joint stock companies were ordinarilymanaged, and it was very probable that the State could not manage such matters better than a joint-stock company would do. But, then, there was the constitutional difficulty that the property belonged to the Crown, that we were not the real owners of it, and were not in a position to dispose of it. We had only made a bargain with the Crown, by which we agreed to manage it during the life of the Sove reign. The management of the Woods and Forests had, however, been under the consideration of committees of that house from time to time. Some years ago a committee presided over by Lord Duncan took great interest in the sub ject, and many improvements were the result of its inves tigations. It was admitted that the department was much better managed now than formerly, and the gentlemen at the head of it, Mr. Gore and Mr. Howard, were exceedingly assiduous and attentive to their duties. He knew that they were anything but extravagantly disposed, and during the short time he had been in office he was able to say that they had endeavoured to manage the property in the best possible manner. (Hear, hear.) He would say, in such circum stances, let the house watch the results, and if in course of time .‘hey were not satisfied, then let a committee be ap pointedsto discover abuses and infuse fresh vigour into the department. Ho believed the appointment of a standing committee would be open to the objection that it would re lieve parties from responsibility to whom they ought to look for the right discharge of their duties; and he could not see that, with a responsibility resting partly on a committee and partly on the Treasury and Woods and Forests, the system would work well. (Hear.) There only remained the question regarding the Consolidated Fund, and there also a difficulty arose on a point of political principle. The charges on the Consolidated Fund were those that they did not wish to subject to the fluctuating chances of an annual vote of the House of Commons. Among these were the charges for the administration of law and justice, certain ecclesiastical and theological payments, and the grant to Maynooth, which were paid out of the Consolidated Fund to avoid exciting questions being raised in that House. In considering the appointment of a committee to deal with these matters with la view to economy, the house should bear in mind that, on the question of transferring votes of this kind to the estimates, there was something to be said on the other side. Instead of leading to economy, it was as likely that there would be a pressure on them to increase the votes, so that they might in reality have to pay larger sunis than when the charges came out of the Consolidated Fund. He had thus adverted, as shortly as he could, to the reasons which induced him, while agreeing in the object proposed by his hon. friend, to doubt whether such a committee as he had suggested was the best mode of attaining it. In doing so he had been obliged to point out that the abuses complained of arose very much from causes heyond the control of the administrative department; but before sitting down he was anxious to guard against being understood as meaning that every thing had been done that ought to be done to carry out economy in the public expenditure. But if the Government were supported by public opinion, and by that house in enforcing economical views, a good deal might yet be done,—he would not say to return to the esti mates of former years, but certainly to arrest that increase, which, if it went on as at present, would in a very short time be formidable indeed. Government really could not do mach unless they were supported by the opinion of the country. If public opinion, as reflected by that house, was constantly urging a more liberal expenditure for objects of admitted utility, which, though, perhaps, separately form ing but small items in the estimates, yet made up a con siderable aggregate, the Government could not long oppose a very effectual resistance. But if, on the other hand, they were supported by the house, there wore some questions on which a good deal might be done. Tho question. of educa tion, to which his hon. friend had referred, was one on which he did not say considerations of economy were paramount ; but still he thought, if these were admitted to have due weight a good deal might be done. If every gentleman in that house who had a taste for architecture took every op 7 portunity of enforcing it according to his own notions, with a total disregard of expense, a very large expenditure must be incurred. seeing the necessity there was for the erection of many pUblic buildings. In regard to harbours of refuge, again, there had been a constant pressure from all parts of the country on the Government for the expenditure of a large sutra of money ; but if supported, oe ho trusted they would be, by public opinion and the house enforcing economy in these matters, he did hope the case was not altogether desperate. He could assure his hon. friend and the house that the attention of the Government during the recess had been most earnestly devoted to this subject. He might say there was not a vote in the estimates for past years which he himself had not gone through carefully, anxious to make reductions. He could not venture to pro mise that the result of these reductions would be a very great diminution in matters which had gone far beyond control; but he did venture to hope that when the estimates were produced it would be seen their exertions had not been altogether useless. He thought the best course the house could take was to leave the whole responsibility for the pre sent on the Government,. watching their progress very closely, scrutinising very jealously every subject of expen diture in the estimates, and if, after giving them a fair trial, they were not satisfied with the results, let them comedown on them with a committee, not a standing or annual com mittee under which the Government might shelter them selves, but a committee whichwould be a reality, and would bring home to the Government a sense of their responsi bility. (Hear, hoar.) Mr. B AXTER thought both the house and the country were exceedingly indebted to his hon. friend for bringing forward this question. He was rather disappointed with the speech of his hon. friend the Secretary for the Treasury. Something must be done to check the public expenditure, and keep it within reasonable bounds. There was an abso lute necessity for economising the national expenditure. Even gentlemen who were inclined to be liberal, if not lavish, in voting sums of money for the army and navy, and for the defence of the country, ought most carefully to scrutinise this expenditure. The hon. Secretary for the Treasury said it was the duty of every member of that house to scrutinise the votes as submitted to Parlia ment, especially those proposed by the Government. Well, ever since he had the honour of a seat in Parliament, for the last five years, he had attended in that house almost every supply night, and he must say, the conviction forced it se lf o n his mind that no great benefit would or ever could result to the cause they all had at heart, of national econo my, by debating and 'dividing upon a few of those small items which formed together our civil service estimates. During the period to which he had referred he believed he was correct in stating that, with three or four exceptions, every vote proposed by the Government had been carried without reduction, perhaps, in double that number of in stances votes had been expunged in oonsequence of there having been a very narrow run the year before ; but this he held to be a very small result; and without objectin g to each great subdivision of votes, or reducing each vote care fully and seriatim, he did not think mush progress would be made, or any great reduction effected until gentlemen who, like his hon. friend and himself, thought the expen diture was excessive, took a different course, and adopted such a plan as this at a very early part of the session, say ing to the Government, "We are not prepared to expend £7,500,000 on the civil service; we think £7,000,000 or £5,500,000 quite sufficient, and we wish you to form your estimates on that basis." (Hear, hear.) He held, in point of fact, that at present the house had no efficient control over the public expenditure. They ought to throw on the Government the responsibility of bringing forward those votes which were absolutely necessary, but with some such limit as he had suggested. He was disappointed that the Secretary for the Treasury had not been able to state that the Government had been enabled very much. to reduce the civil service expenditure. He had had con siderable faith in the right hon. gentleman the Chan cellor of thn Exchequer, and he was in hopes that ho would have devoted his great abilities to this subject, and with success; for he was firmly convinced, not only that a great saving might be effected without diffi culty or detriment, but with considerable advantage to the public service. If any one doubted this, let him read the speech of the right hon. gentleman the member for Buck inghamshire upon this subject when last in office, who dis tinctly admitted that there was a very great profusion in the civil service expenditure. Besides, the expurgation of votes would save a great deal of the precious time of the house. His hon. friend objected to this committee, and there was a good deal of force in his objection to it being a standing committee : but he had looked in vain for anylde claration of what the Government intended to substitute. The house and the country were agreed that the expendi ture must be checked, and unless the Government were prepared on their responsibility to tell them that it should be reduced, he was to a considerable extent shut up to sup port the proposition of his hon. friend; and should the re sult not be satisfactory he thought it would be the bounden duty of the house to affirm such resolution as he had sug gested. Sure he was the day would come when they would be forced by public opinion out of doors to devote more at tention to this subject than they had hitherto done, and it would, without doubt, be one of the first great subjects dis cussed in the reformed Parliament. He thought they would show themselves exceedingly shortsighted, if, supposing there was no economical disposition on the part of the people, they attempted to blink what, in his mind, was one of the most important questions which could come under the consideration of the Legislature. (Hear, heir,) Tho CHANCELLOR of the.EXCHEQUER—My hon. friend has stated that ho was not entirely satisfied with the tone and general effect of the speech of my hon. friend the Secretary for the Treasury. If that be so, it must be because my honourable friend the 'Secretary to the Treasury did not wholly succeed in conveying hc.,iisreirnttnning whatto in t h y e h h o o n u : f g r e i c u n t l d o m saida n e o t s h t i a n t g e d c t o h u a l t d w b o e i h n a h a i t ch pr i e n se t n li t e t: T c l ontend with this difficulty—that the mind of the country is not greatly set upon public tdieconomy,l:tbt:evdhi when n u n dt r e l ht t ee ha r7 t iu : s bgel rc we nb live public under opinion,popular w e Government, nm expecte y candidly stated, that feelingetlhi feeling scale will is a e sucho r f e expenditurereflected temdynh otthe eits friend e and sentiment of this house, as likewise in. the tone and action of those who compose the Ezeattive. Vnder then c rm. circumstances _the hon. gentleman, I am sure, would not form excessive anticipations as to any strong and decisive impression being produced by any particular Govern- ment on a course of feeling which has become established, habitual—l might almost say inveterate—for some years past. We have been tending in all respects towards a great and rapid increase of expense, and it is in the nature of things that the remedies to be applied to such a state of affairs should be feeble in their origin, and that their first results, at any rate, should be moderate in extent. It is vain to hope, unless you have the concurrence of a powerful feeling out of doors, that any particular Administration, at auy particular moment, will effect any great reduction in your civil and miscellaneous expenditure. The hon. gentle man may say —if your power is small, you may, at all events, show that your intentions are good. Well, when we lay our miscellaneous estimate on the table and enter on their discussion, I think we shall be able to satisfy the house—l am sure we shall be able to satisfy the hon. gentleman—than whom no hon. member is more anxiously bent on economy —that we have given to this question our best attention. But he would find, from the statement of my hon. friend the Secretary to the Treasury, that the grqat bulk of the increase in those estimates is due to a very small number of subjects, and that out of that small number there are one or two which it is extremely difficiilt to control. I promise my hon. friend, however, that when we produce our proposals in regard to them it will be soon that, if little can be done at any given momen by any given Administration, we have yet sincerely en deavoured to examine into the means both of checking the present rapid increase and, where possible, of introducing a diminution in this important branch of our expenditure. I am sorry to say that one of the great offenders in this matter is, as has been already mentioned, the educational vote. We have giventhe most careful consideration during the recess to this part of the estimates. But we found our selves confronted with this important fact—that a very assiduous and intelligent commission was appointed two ox three years ago to inquire into the whole subject, and that it was hardly possible for the Executive Government to propose, until that commission had reported, any changes in tie educational vote materially affecting the principles on which it is founded. We have endeavoured. however, at this early date, both to check the rapid extension of this branch of expenditure, and also—where we could do it without unduly trenching on the province of the commis sioners—to give Parliament an indication of the direction in which further improvement may be made. lam bound likewise to add, that I am satisfied the commissioners take a very serious view of the evils involved in the rapid in crease of this vote, and that it will be a main object of their labours to control, if not altogether to arrest, that increase. I regret to say my hon. friend the Secretary to the Treasury has rather understated than overstated this evil in describing the gigantic strides with which, from the smallest beginning, the educational estimate has advanced to £2,000,000 per annum. Those practically acquainted with this subject will tell you plainly that, if you continue to act upon the rules now in force, no very long course of years will have elapsed before this £2,000,000 reaches £3,000,000, or indeed a much greater amount. The growth of this expenditure not only tends to augment the national burdens, but has a most enervating effect upon the public mind; and therefore on moral considerations, as well as financial, it demands our most earnest attention. With re spect to two or three other important sources of increase which have already been pointed. out, I venture to say that it will be found that the Government have turned their best attention to them during the recess. With regard to the mo tion now before us, I distinguish between it and the course which the hon. member for Stafford invites us to take. I cordially welcome the hon. gentleman as an ally in the cause to which ho has devoted his energies, and in which he has shown not only so much zeal, but so much ability. I could not recommend the house to adopt the suggestion of the hon. gentleman who spoke last, viz., that it should refuse to go beyond the limit of £6,500,000 in voting these estimates. It would break ray heart to think that no other remedy was open to us. I do not think, even on the ground of prudence, it would be a fit mode of dealing with an important ques tion. I thank my hon. friend for drawing our attention to this subject; I am sure good will come out of this discus sion. It is not that the mind of the people of England is obstinately fixed in these matters. It derives its tone in a great degree from the temper of this house. And when it is seen that we are in earnest on the subject of economy the public out of doors will no doubt soon be found in harmony with us. Although we are certainly acted upon by the po pular sentiment, we can also in return act powerfully on that sentiment. The house and the country, in truth, act and react on each ether. But with respect to this motion, I frankly own I do not think it is ix a state in which it can be advantageously adopted. The hon. mover included in his ,view at least three subjects; lin fact, there are nearer 30 than 3, each of which must obviously go before any committee that has to enter on this vast field. Any Select Committee which had charge of the department of 'Woods and Forests and the Land Revenues alone would have sufficient work ex its hands. Any committee ap pointed to examine into the expediency of making further transfers from the consolidated fund to the votes would find ample labour out out for it. The hon. gentleman has alluded to a particular item. It is an affair of £2,lloo—the salary, I think, of the Commissioner to the General Assembly. It would take a committee more days than I should certainly like to sit to determine whether a multiplicity of items of that description ought to be transferred to the votes or not. I am sorry it was not practicable to carry further the trans• fers already effected. It was witblirreat reluctance that we stopped short where we did. But the inquiry was a very onerous one, and it alone would re luire the undivided exer tions of a select committee to conduct it satisfactorily. As to the Civil Service Estimates, I venture to say no single committee could embrace the business of reviewing that expenditure. It is so vast and so varied, and some of the questions involved in it are so difficult, that it would task the time and attention of several distinct committees. In truth, the hon. member has sketched out in his motion views and objects that call for a much larger machinery than this house could supply and keep in operation from year to year. And here 1 come to a point on which lam at issue with the framer of the resolution. A select com mittee of this kind appointed every year would not only not be a good measure, but would be a decidedly bad one. It would begin with taking away from the Executive its proper responsibility, and would end by resolving all responsibility into pure vapour; and it is impossible that a select com mittee could really be charged with the duties or the re-. sponsibilities of a public department from year to year. What the House of Commons can do in this matter must be done periodically. By periodically passing from one subject to another the house may be able, through its com mittees, to do a great work in reviewing the Miscellaneous Estimates ; and periodically, I grant, every one of the hon. member's subjects is a legitimate subject for such an in quiry. But let us not deceive ourselves abaut the power and effect of these committees. A committee of this nature sat 11 years ago. What was the issue of its labours ? Why, a recommendation to abolish the office of a Lord of the Treasury, whose salary was included in the Miscella neous Estimates, (Murmurs.) . I believe I am correct in stating that that was the principal and substantial measure which proceeded from them. Therefore I am not very sanguine as to the operation of such a committee, unless it be appointed with a very special aim and devotes all its best energies to the discharge of its duties. I hope that, for these reasons, the hon. gentleman will not expect me to accede to his motion. I give no opinion on the question whether the time has yet arrived at which it would be de • sirable to appoint another committee on the Miscellaneous Estimates. Do not understand me to place any negative on that subject. I would rather reserve my opinion upon it. But I think, if I may say so, that having a new Admi nistration in office, it might be as well if the house allowed us to lay our Miscellaneous Estimates on the table, and if the hon. gentleman, or any other hon. member reserved it to himself to consider whether it would bo for the public in-. terest that a committee of this kind should be appointed. Such a committee as is now proposed I hope the hon. gen tleman does not mean to press, for I certainly do not thi n k it consistent with th e d u t y of the Government to assent to it. Mr. BRIGHT wished to-make an observation upon the two speeches which hat just been delivered from the Trea sury bench. If those speeches were logical and to be taken as authorative there was no remedy. for the present evils, of which nobody appeared to complain so loudly as the Chan cellor of the Exchequer. (A laugh.) Because, if no such motion as his hon. friend had proposed were adopted, it was quite clear that they Were shut up to ,the plan which was now followed, and which, according to every speaker who had yet addressed, the house, was leading us to a condition of things most alarming and deplorable. He always found the Chancellor of the Exchequer complaining on these occasions that the house and the country were not suffi ciently economical, and yet every Chancellor of the Exche quer refused to accept anything that would give the public departments the power to resist proposals of increased expenditure. Years ago the Chancellor of the Exchequer, when asked to sanction suchproposals, used to say, " What do you think Mr. Hume will say ?" Mr. Hume was not there now, and unfortunately his mantle did not appear to have fallen upon any member of the house. (Much laughter, and a general look in the direction of the seat occupied by the hon. member for Lambeth.) He had heard Chancellors of the Exchequer make this answer to those who besieged the Treasury for additional expense. Why did they-thus use Mr. Hume's name ?:. Because they felt the necessity of some power beyond their own, even if it were only the pre tence of a power. (Hear, hear.) Suppose the Chancellor of the Exchequer had such a committee as was now proposed to refer to and to fall back upon—not a committee like the Library Committee, that nobody knew anything about — and he for one never heard of anything they ever did—(a laugh)—but a committee honourably chosen every session, not packed for special objects, as they generally were. (hear, hear.) The Treasury might then say, when gentle men came to them from all parts of the country demanding additional oxpenditare, "We cannot put such an increase into the estimates. If we do, do you think the 15 gentlemen appointed by the House Commons will agree to a proposal of this nature ?" Thus between the Chancellor of the Ex chequer and the committee a very efficient check would be put upon many itemise of expenditure that were now voted without question. A few years ago a committee sat to in quire into.the civil service estimates. Ono of the older mom here of the committee, not now in the house, told him there was a young member of the house connected by spacial ties with the Whig f am ilies, and it was his casting vote that de stroyed that otherwise immortal Lord of the Treasury. (A laugh.) What was the fate of that young member after wards ? Why, they never put him on a committee from that day to this, and never would unless ho repented. (A laugh.) Another committee was afterwards appointed. The noble lord (J. Russell), who was then Prime Minister, agreed that a fair committee should be appointed to inquire into the expenses incurred by official salaries. The hon. member for Rochdale (Mr. Cobden) was a member of that committee, he was another, the member for Coventry was also upon it, and it was composed of the usual number of members. The committee examined Sir It. Peel, the pre sent Prime Minister, the noble lord now the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs, and manv members then in the house. What did they roman - tea ? There were many recommendations that they agreed to unanimously, there were many others upon which a large majority were agreed, and the total of the reductions they recommended amounted to £70,000 to £Bo,ooo'a-yoar. What was the result ? The salary of the Judge-Advocate was reduced by £5OO, and that of the Secretary (tithe Treasury by an equal sum. The Government reduced the salary of a noble lord at the Peer. law Boo t rci A 400) whereupon he resigned, `l r, The Secretary. for Ireland.] Yes, there was the Secretary for :Ireland. No one knew what the Secretary for Ireland received. It appeared that there was a great amount of dining and hospitality, a thing very well understood in Ire land—(a laugh)—which was said to be necessary for that official, and the committee were told that a high salary was necessary. However, the salary was reduced by £2,000, and these reductions, which did not amount to one-tenth part of what the committee recommended almost unani • mously, were all that had been carried into effect by the Government. (Hear, hear.) Then there were the Scotch judges. Every one knew that if the work were equally divided between them there would be no persons with so little to do as the Scotch judges. The committee recom mended that a reduction in the number of Scotch and Irish judges should be made when a vacancy occurred. Very soon afterwards a Chief Justice died in Ireland. He put it to the noble lord (J. Russell) who was then Prime Mini ster whether it would not be proper for the Government to carry into effect the recommendations of the committee, and reduce the number of the Irish judges. The noble lord made answer that he had consulted—whom did the house think ? 'Why, the profession, every man of whom had entered it with the honourable ambition of becoming ono of these judges, and who, of course, saw that his chance would be very much diminished if the vacancy were not filled. The noble lord said he had consulted gentlemen of the profes sion, and he did not think that there were too many Judges. The noble lord, therefore, entirely disregarding the opinion of the committee upon which he himself sat, made the ap pointment and filled up the vacancy. (Hear.) Unless Ministers took a different course from this, and adopted the recommendation of a committee, and the changes they thought necessary, how could any reduetim!be made in our present growing - and extravagant expenditure ? (Hear, hear.) Take the education vote, for example. Was there ever anything in any country so monstrous and absurd as the proceeding in regard to this educational vote ? (Hear.) The house voted money, they handed it over to some one to distribute it, and he ventured to say there were not five men in the house who knew into whose hands it went for distribution. The head of this department was a great lord in another place, and this great lord having nothing to do, of course required some one to help him. (A laugh.) Ac cordingly, a vice-president was appointed, and he had a salary. The appointment was made to relieve some one who had a salary from the necessity of doing anything for it. (A laugh.) So another appointment was made of a Vice- President of the Council of Education. A no th er piece of patronage was made, and another salary was paid. (Hear, hear.) This education vote was expended for the most part upon one particular class and sect of the community—it went towards the education supposed to be given by the Established Church of this country. It was not, for reasons well known to many hon. members, distributed in fair pro portion among the various classes of the community. He confessed he thought it a monstrous thing to vote a sum which his hon. friend quoted at something like 4500,000, and which the Chancellor of the Exchequer said was getting up to £2,000,000, without any sort of a report be ing made that enabled the house to examine the vote minutely or control it at all. (Hear, hear.) The Govern ment ought to aid the house as the house ought to aid the country, in checkinc , and controlling such an expendi ture. To do this would be the office of such a committee as was now proposed—not a committee packed withfonr gentle men on one side of the house and four on the other, all mixed up in the matter, and all hoping to enjoy the distribution of this expenditure, but a fair committee, not influenced by the Government. The Chancellor of the Exchequer had spoken imploringly to the house in favour of economy, and consi dered the hon. gentleman who made this motion as an ally. If so, a committee composed of 12 or 15 gentlemen chosen from both sides of the house must be of use, if they could help the house to scrutinise these votes. It would. be much better to leave the money to fructify in the rockets of the people than to allow it to be expended, as at present for 50 unnecessary objects, some of which Wire positively perni cious. He trusted that the house would agree to the ap pointment of a committee, and lie had no doubt that it would be of great service. He 'named the house, however that while £7,000,000 or £ 8 .,000,000 we r e squandered in this and other directions the time would come when the subject must receive the most serious attention. He would say no more now, as ether occasions would present themselves. But if there were any one of a truly Conservative spirit, who wished to see the institutions of the country founded upon an unquestionable and stable basis, so that they would last his time and his children's who came after him, he could not show this Conservative spirit better than in help ing any Chancellor of the Exchequer to lessen the vast ex penditure and taxation of the country. (Cheers.) There might come a time when we might not have two or three good successive harvests, two or three good cotton crops, and seasons of abundance and prosperity. There might be a time of cloud and storm, when these matters might be called in question in a spirit they would all be loth to see. (Hear, hear.) Those who were sitting in that house were the guardians of the public purse of this country, and ought to warn their countrymen against the per nicious folly that had distinguished the public, the Par , Effluent, and the Cabinets of this country for years past. It was their duty to warn them that if they did Tnot change their policy it would lead to disaster and confusion: (Cheers.) Sir H. WILLOUGHBY said that the only grave argu ment brought against the appointment of a committee was that it would break in upon the responsibility of the execu tive. (Hear.) In his opinion, however, it would have no such effect. It would leave the responsibility of the Execu tive just where it was, with this difference, that officials would know they were acting under the vigilant supervision of Parliament. He could not conceive a more effectual mode of doing what the Chancellor of the Exchequer said was so desirable—influencing public opinion out of the house, than by the appointment of an annual committee of their own body to examine the expenditure of the preceding year, and bring its salient features under the notice of the house and of the country. (Hear.) It was not enough for the house merely to pass the votes—it was their duty to see, further, how the money had been spent. The inquiry now proposed might appear alarmingly comprehensive, but it would rest with the committee to determine how many points they ought to deal with in the expenditure of any given period. Since the disjunction of the Board of Works and the Woods and Forests Department the latter had been unrepresented in the house ; and, in a constitutional point of view, there did not appear to be any more en ti re l y irresponsible fficials than the two 'gentlemen who acted as Commissioners of Woods and Forests. The expenditure of that department was £90,000 a year, but all the account of it set before the house was two totals of £47,000 and £48,000 put down as "money spent." Surely, some more detailed and expliat statement was required ; and that it would be the business of the committee, if agreed to, to procure. If it was true, as the Chancellor of the Exchequer appeared to admit, that the money for educational purposes was spent, and might be spent, to any extent, without his authority, it was clearly high time, that some system of inspection such as was now proposed should be adopted without delay. (Hear, h ear .) I he House then divided, when the numbers were : For the motion Against .. 93 Majority for the motion —2B The announcement of the result of the division was re ceived with cheers.. INCOME TAX. Mr. POLLARD. URQUHART moved for a Select Committee to inquire whether it be not possible to adopt some mode of a ssess i ng t h e income tax, whereby the injus tice and vexations now generally complained of may be wholly or partially obviated. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER observed, that the motion anticipated one of the most important ques tions connected with the finances of the year—whether the income tax should be continued, and whether or not it should be a permanent tax. He hoped Mr. Urquhart would not persist in his motion. The motion was withdrawn. Mr. COBBETT moved a resolution, " That, iiipursuance of the recommendation of the select committee appointed to try the petitions against the return for the borough of Beverley, her Majesty's Attorney-General be ordered by the house to prosecute Daniel Boyes and Robert Taylor for bribery committed by them at the last election for the said borough." He stated the reasons why the committee (of which he was chairman) had concurred unanimously in this recommendation.. Mr. DIGBY SEYMOUR moved, as an amendment, a resolution, " That the inquiries before committees of this house, and under the recent commissions which have sat in various places, having clearly demonstrated that many persons of higher social rank have been involved in grave criminality, it would not be expedient to limit the direction to her Majesty's Attorney-General to the prosecution of Daniel Boyes and Robert Taylor for bribery committed by them at the last Beverley election." He did not impugn the judgment of the committee, but he put it to the house whether it would consult its own dignity in limiting the prosecution to these two persons, others having been proved to be equally guilty in the same borough, and guilty of acts of graver criminality elsewhere. Mr. SELWYN, as a member of the committee, defended b their recommend a ti on . N o o th er persons were found them guilty of such open, systematic, and unblushing bri bery as Boyce and Taylor. tion. The committ ee , in his opinion, Mr. COLLIER said he should suppowrtertehgeuoirtiogiringalbroin making the selection they did. a tll n e d h th ou e s p e o w lic a y s of S th ir e e G oUr L s E e p W ro i p S os qeduebsytiomnerd. stheyemproouprr.ietii in earnest in its desire to prosecute c ases of briber y , it must adopt the recommendation o f the committee , and it was no reason for refusing assent that there were other guilty parties Mr. SEYMOUR having withdrawn his amendment, the original motion was agreed to. CHURCH RATES. n a i n law,ten a n ehoef hen,the Cgheunrtcl gentleman a saidm - , Mr. HUBBARIi Moved for leave to bring i n a bill to that the billhe proposed to introduce took a middle c ourse dmifiakede p fo r r o m vis o i f on th fo e r e t u h . e st m i g between the extreme opinions now held on the subject of church rates, but it was not a compromise, though it would offer a common meeting ground on which all contending parties could assemble. The bill conceded nothing that jus tice required should not be given up, and retained nothing that ought to be conceded. He proposed that any Dissenter who should declare his unwillingness to pay the rates should be relieved from their payment, but in that case he would of course have no share in the managementof the money con tributed for church purposes by others. He proposed also, that the rates should be levied in the same manner as poor rates, and that the Ecclesiastical Courts should have no further cognisance of such cases. Leave was given to bring in the bill. ANCHORS, &c. (MERCHANT SERVICE). Sir J. ELPIIINSTONE, according to notice moved for a select committee to inquire into the manufacture of an chors and chain cables for the merchant service. The ne cessity for such an inquiry had, he thought, been amply shown by recent events. A test had been established in the case of chain cables and anchors for her Majesty's ser vice, which had been most satisfactory, but no such test ing house existed for the mercantile marine, with the exception of one at Liverpool, established in 1840, and another subsequently established at Sunderland. Mr. M'Donald, the superintendent of the Liverpool Testing house had made reports to the corporation, from which it appears d that more than 82 per cent. of the chain cables sent to be tested broke down under the testing machine. A petition, signed by Mr. Chas. Blake, on behalf of the opera tive chainmakers of England and Wales, which had appeared in the journals, showed that the great bulk of cables were never proved at all ; while, at the same time, there had been a great increase in the amount of chain cables manufitctured in this country. The petitioners stated their cinviction, as practical workmen, that the cables, in material and workmanship, were incapable of bearing the strain to which they ought to be subjected, and pointed out that the evil was not confined to this country alone, but as these cables were suppliedto foreign ships also, the mischief extended all over the world. Ho would not detain the house by going into details, but the case of the Great Bri tain, driven on shore at Dundrum Bay from want of a properly-tested cable ; of the Prince, lost at Balaklava from the same cause ; and list, and worst of all, the Royal Charter, lost in a hurricane which the great Eastern rode out safely, in consequence of her cables and anchors b e i ng properly t es t e d, w ere he hoped, sufficient to induce the Government to agree to his motion. Mr. M. GIBSON said that althoughbtehcemse it was motion of notthe hon. gentleman was somewhat unusual, because the practiee for that house to inquire into what might be called the management of private establishments, still, after the statement which the hon. member had made, he (Mr. Gibson) thought that some good might arise from such an investigation as he proposed—that some information having a practical and important bearing upon an important sub ject might be brought out before the committee, and there fore on the part of the Government he was prepared to accede to the motion. At the same time he must say that if his hon. friend had in contemplation the establish ment of a Government department, and a compulsory testing of anchors and chain cables for the merchant service, such a course would lead to the adoption of a very doubtful policy. The Boatd of Trade had already quite as many duties thrown upon it in connexion with the mercantile marine as it could efficiently discharge, and though he was desirous of having all the information they could collect on the subject, he was very doubtful as to the interference of the Government in a matter which the self interest of shipowners and shippers ought to regulate pro perly. The motion was then agreed to. SPIRITS (IRELAND) ACT AMENDMENT. On the motion of Mr. SCULLY, leave was given to bring in a bill to further amend the Spirits (Ireland) Act, 17th and 18th Fitt., c. 89. The bill was read a first time, and The house adjourned at ten o'clock. COUNTRY MARKETS. BIRMINGHAM-FEB. 2. At to-day's market there was more wheat offering; the trade ruled dull, but we make no alteration in our quota tions. Fine barley sold for rather more money. Oats were lower. Beans and peas at former rates. MANCHESTER-FEB. 2. There was a fair attendance at our market this morning. English wheat was taken at fully late prices ; other sorts unaltered. Flour in little demand, and quotations as before. English beans were in firm request, at previous rates. ' Oats and oatmeal in moderate request; prices as before. Indian corn at Gd over former rates. Egyptian beans else Gd higher. BOSTON-FEB. 1. We had a moderate supply of wheat from the growers tor day, the demand for which was fair, and prices were at no decline on the prices of last week, with a firm business. Good oats were a trifle dearer. - Barley, beans, and peas as previously reported Averages for the week : Wheat 3,028 qrs., at 42s 5d Peas .... 319 „ 3k 4d Beans 234 „ 4os 84 8ar1ey......... 99 ~ 33s 104 Oats 973 „ Ns 61 i Rye — „ —s 01 LOUTH—Fnn. 1. There was a dull business done in wheat to-day, and prices were at about last week's quotations, via., wheat, reil and mixed, old and new, 40s to 4(s per qr. ; white, 491. Oats, 18s to 265; beans, 42s to 495; barley, 294 to nu. MARKET HARBOROUGH—JAs. 31. There was a middling supply of wheat, which met • fair demand, at about former rats.. Whits wheat, 38s to 42s ; red, 38. to 42s per 36 stone. Barley, old, 344 to 400; new, —s to —e. Oats were a steady sale, from 22s to 30i per 2,4 stone. Beans (old), at 34s to 48s ; new, 34. to 4k per 38 stone. PLYMOUTH-JAN. 31. This market was again dull to-day. Prices foi wheat firm, but nominally unchanged. There was a very small attendance at market. The quotations are—English, whit• wheat, 48s to 50s; red, 46s to 480 per qr ; French do., 48* to 455; grinding barley, 26s to 365; oats, 228 to 241; sad flour, fine, 33s to Us ; seconds, 31s to 335. EDINBURGH GRAIN-FEB. 1. The supply of wheat, oats, and beans, was large.. 841•11 ready. W heat on the top Os Ed down average Os 2d down. Barley on the top Os 3d up average Os 3(1 down. Oats on the top Os 3d down.... average Os 21, down. Beans on the top Os 6d up ' average 0■ 6d up. Averages per Imperial quarter. Wheat.... Barley 1 18 2 0-12ths Oats 1 6 10 0-12ths Beans Total Supply and Sales. Wheat .1347 qrs Sold 1132 qt.' Barley... 1416 qrs Sold 995 qrs Oats. g . .2641 qrs Sold 1792 qrs Beans 314 qrs Sold 241 qrs CORK—FRB. 1. The following were the quotations this morning :—/tRA wheat, 25s Od to 25s 6d; white, 25s Pd to 26. 04; barley 16 1 Od to 194 Od ; oats, 12s Od to 14s Od. DERBY SMITHFIELD--JAN. 31. There was a limited supply of fat stock to-day, wit)► a large attendance of buyers ; the prices asked were Wei and:a clearance was effected. Sheep were in. very C supply, and well sold. Fat pigs plentiful. Beef 6id to 7d I Veal . 7id to $ ll Mutton .. Lamb e• Od to Od Rough fat, 64 6d per stalgs• Hides, atd to s}d; calf skins, 6d to Bp. FOREIGN MAIL PACKET LIST. - In the following table E signifies that letters are despatell 4 by °Toning mails from London, and NI by morning Wall' DESTINATIONS. Australia and Mauritius, via Southampton Ditto, via Marseilles Bahamas and Havana via New York Canada, &c. 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