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IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS--(YEsTEmpar.) The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat at 5 o'clock. --- - RELIGIOUS WORSHIP AMENDMENT ACT. Lord DUNGANNON presented a petition from St. Asaph against the Religious Worship Amendment Bill ; also a petition from the rural deanery of Ellesmere, in the diocese of Litchfield, to the same effect. Lord SHAFTESBURY presented a number of peti tions in favour of the bill. THE PASSPORT SYSTEM. Lord STANHOPE, seeingth;;Ol;l;earl the Secre tary of state for Foreign Affairs in his place, begged to ask what course would be pursued for the f attire with respect to giving passports to British subjects going to the Continent. He had been informed that the French Government had given notice to Her Majesty's Govern ment that they would not, for the future, recognise passports given to foreign subjects by the French con suls in this country. He thought that the present moment was a good opportunity of doing away with the anomaly altogether. The Earl of CLARENDON said only a few days ago, they had received an intimation from the French Government to put an end to the system of French con sular agents granting passports to British subjects. He entirely concurred with the object if it was intended to adhere to the passport system, as at present any person calling himself a British subject obtained a pass port without the slightest difficulty. By this means some of the most dangerous persons—persons to whom the French Government had the greatest objection — might travel through France as British subjects. We had never interfered heretofore with the sys tem of passports, because we attached no importance to them. Any person was free to leave or enter this country without being provided with such a document ; and he did not think there was any reason at the present moment to break through the rule. He had no doubt that the whole system would soon be abolished, as it was the in tention of the Government to invite other countries to abandon the passport system. (Hear, hear.) THE ENGLISH ENGINEERS AT NAPLES. Earl GREY presented a petition urging upon her Majesty's Government to interfere to procure the liberation of the two British subjects at present in confinement at Naples. The noble lord urged on the Government the necessity of attending to the prayer of the petition. The Earl of CLARENDON said the subject alluded to by the noble earl had excited great interest, and at the outset he begged to inform the:house that those two persons had not suffered any inconvenience from the interruption of our amicable relations with the Neapoli tan Government. 1, was but just to the Govern ment to say that no unnecessary harshness bad been exercised towards those men ; on the contrary, ho believed that they bad been treated with much more consideration than they would have been had they been natives. The noble lord then detailed the circumstances connected with the arrest of the men on board the steamer Cagliari. He thought the government had no right to interfere so long as the Neapolitan Government pursued the regular course hid down . by the law of the land. There was no doubt the engineeee had nut been parties to the in surrectionary movement of the Sicilians who took pos session of the steamer in July last. He knew it had been said her Majesty's Government ought to have taken more vigorous measures, but they had no right whatever to call upon the Neapolitan Government to depart from the ordinary course of law B &NKRUPTCY LA.W. Lord BROUGHAM said he wished to lay on the table a bill to a;lolisla imprisonment f..,r debt, to extend the laws relating to bankrupts to the cases of non-traders, to give further remedies to creditori, and to secure the punishment of fraudulent debtors. Lord OA.MPBELL was delighted to learn that his noble and learned friend proposed to abolish the absurd distinctions which had so long existed between traders and non-traders. If an insolvent gave up all his property to his creditors, whether he were a trader or not, he ought to be released. He was glad, too, that his male and learned friend proposed to deal with the case of fraudulent debtors. The faelities now afforded by law for fraudulent trading were most demoralising to the commercial community. Lord BROUGHIM entirely agreed wish his noble and learned friend that one of the greatest scandals of the law at present was . the door which it opened for fraudulent trading. The amendment which he proposed would greatly lessen the facilities which were afforded for such trading. The bill was then laid on the table and read a firbt time. • ADDRESS TO HER MAJESTY. A congratulatory address to her Majesty, on the occasion of the marriage of the Princess Royal, on the motion of Earl GRANVILLE, seconded by the Earl of DERBY, was agreed to unanimously. The Archbishop of CANTERBURY introduced a bill to legalise special services is the Church of England under special circumstances. Their lordships then adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS.—(YPST➢RDAY.) The SPEAKER took the chair at 4 o'clock. NEW MENIBER, Mr. WARD HUNT took the oaths and hie seat for North Northamptonshire, in the room of the late A. Staft,rd, Esq. LONDON CORPORATION. Mr. Sheriff LAWRENCE and Mr. SberiffALLENappeared at the bar of the house, and presented a petition praying the house to allow the introduction of a bill prepared by the Lord Mayor, Aldermen, and Common Council of the City for the better regulation of the corporation of London. Leave was according'y gi►en. CHRISTIANITY IN INDIA. Se►eral petitions were presented, praying for the in. troduction of the bible into all the Government Schools in India. SUEZ CANAL. Mr. D. GRIFFITHS gave notice that on Friday fort • night he should bring under the notice of the house the project for a ship canal across the Isthmus of Suez. CAVALRY REINFORCEMENTS TOR INDIA. Captain VIVIAN gave notice that on Monday next he ahoull put a question to the Under Secretary fur War, relative to the dispatch of cavalry reinforcements to India. ' THE OATHS BILL. Lord J. RUSSELL gave notice that on Tuesday next, on the motion of the hon. member for Finsbury relative to Baron R.ithschild's taking the oaths, he should move for the previous question. (Hear.) CHURCH RATES. Sir J. TRELAWNEY gave notice that he should take the earliest opportunity for introducing a bill for the abolition of church rates. THE EAST INDIA. COMPANY. Mr. F. BARING gave notice that on an early day he would present a petition from the East India Com pany against aay change in the constitution of the I:4A India Company during the continuance of the present unhappy disturbances in India, and until after full previous inquiry. (Hear, hear.) ARMY WARRANT OF 1854. General PEEL asked the Under Secretary for War what steps were to he taken to remedy the evils whioh he admitted on the part of the military authorities had arisen from the operation of the Warrant of 1854. Sir J. RA.M.SbENs;idtileprovisione of the warrant had been under the consideration of the military autho rities, but as yet they had not been able to decide on any plan that would immediately conduce to the efficiency of the service, and operate mere f avoura bl y f or th e officers themselves. THE ROYAL BRITISH BANK TRIAL. In answer to a question from Colonel STEVIIRT, The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said he had never hesitated in his resolution to carry on the prosecution of the Royal British Bank directors in ;the most effective manner. The only doubt he felt was whether he ought riot to institute other prosecutions of a similar nature. (Hear, hear.) TRANSFER, &c., OF LAND. Sir F. KELLY asked the Attorney-General whether it was the intention of her Majes4's Government to bring in any bill for the Registration of Titles, and the facilitating the Traw-fer of LaNd ? The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said he bad prepared a. measure for the registration of titles, but from certain objections he would not be able to proceed with it for the present. A naeassure for the transfer of land would ohm- ly be introduced into the other house. WEIGHTS AND MEASURES (IRELAND), AND GRAND JURY LAWS (1. RE LA.ND). Mr. HUME asked the Secretary of State for Ireland whether he meant to introduce a bill this session, and if so, how soon, for the better regulation of the Weights and Measures of I re l and. Also, whether he me a nt to introduce a bill f or th e amendment of the Grand Jury Laws of that country. Mr. H. HERBERT said he had given noti ce measure that would eif,ct th e a rst question. H i h ?I f a Lill for the second in a f3raa r d state. a SERJEANT CARAUGEL Colonel FRENCH asked the Undtr Secretary for War if it was the intention of the Minister for War to advise her Majosty to coi - fer any mark of favour on Serjeant Carangb, (sf the 83. h, for his gallantry i n pass _ lug thnuoh the rebel army, with important intornaation frusn Lucknow to Sir Colin Campbrl:._ S•r J. ItANISDEN said that J2e gallant colonel was 'under a mistake as to the ideutiq' of the person referred tn. There was no such person on the muster roll of the 88th. A Mr. Caraug'a, a civil servant, was the person, and the Governor-General of India had mentioned him in a general order. When the Government received information of his conduct, it would mast with that attention it deserved. • ORDERS OF THE DAY. On the motion of 1.4 , 4 d PALMERSTON, the orders of the day were postponed, to take iut) consideration the vote of congratulation to the Qneen on the Princess Royal's marriage. PRINCESS ROYAL'S MARRIAGE. Viscount-PA.LAIERSTON moved an address of con gratulation to her Majesty on the marriage of the Prin cess Royal with Prince Frederick William of Pru sia. He said it Wa3 no less gratifying to him to do so than he felt sure it would bo acceptable to the lime. No event since the marriage of her Majesty had so much enlisted the feelings, and excited so m uch interest amongst the whole of the British nation as the marriage of her Royal Highness, 4.and there could be no stronger proof of the fact than the immense multitude who a few days ago assembled in the metropolis, in the inclemency of a winter day, with the snow falling and a biting wind, to bid a last-farewell to her Roy of al Highness on her quit tin g her nat i ve shores for the country her adoption.- After referring to the amiable qualities of JULE, he said that A T TIE SUN LaNnoN,_ SATURDAY EVENING,NG, FEBRUA - RY 6, 1858. is st o ro w n n g o e o x u p n re tr s y si , o t n h o a f t f w ee e li m ng us w t which ence, but in this case, he was happy. —in hade P r e ' e a e fe n re m lic a e de to in th h e such marriages wer --------- e often the result of political a c s on o v n e e n• o ii i t likely m to eecure domestic I: circa mstance that had called it forth— that the people affection, after a lengthened actina to tan y c; between the I 'With him that allowance must be made for it in the illestrioua personages, and. was The noble lord con- ) of the continent, not knowing the nature of our hear.) happiness. (Henry f ed ou o r nt sy . st T em he o h f ° g o o . - eluded by moving ' that the address should be presented laws, and applying to us the prineiples by which they p a l e re caanndn working b car r e i to her• Majesty by the whole house, feeling satisfied that are bound, naturally form expectations which those who 1 d lini and learned gentleman wishes to anticipate a discussion r's gratifying state, to t t v know ernra t e h n e t areaprin c w i go members be to her Majesty herself. (Cheers) Hur or s p that mode of presentation would be which world more properly arise on Monday nes', hers of the house as, he was authorised . moved the addrese. Mr. DISRAELI se conded the motion. He re-echoed when I shall movg to bring in the bill of which I have what had been stated by Lord Palmerston' an d con- given notice. I shall not allow myself to be led by hi s c h i ded by observing that he hoped when the day came example into a premature discussion of that measure, that her Royal Highness became Queen o£ Prussia she b u t when I p ro pose it I shall be prepared to state its would be as popular amongst her subjects - nature, and the reasons upon which it is found. But I jesty was amongst her English subjects. (Cheers.) must protest against the gro un d th e h on. an d l earned .111 The motion was then put and carried un. i _ mously. gentleman has taken. The h on . au d l earne d gent l eman and intemperate speeches, and .assemble though they might have been read in F h • • d till to-morrow at 2 o'clock, to . ranee, On the motion of Lord PALMERSTON, the house alludes to my violent e would was adjourned n their account the parliament of this coun try ought to be prevented from taking any steps which then for the purpose of proceeding to the Queen with urge that e the address. otherwise, upon the merits of the case, parliament might THE REFUGEE QUESTION. think proper to adopt. Why, spea ki ng o f i ntemperate Mr. ROEBUCK rose to move the ad j ournment of the speeches, I might well say to th e b on . an d l earne d gen house, in order that he might bogie to ask the question tlemarn of which he had given notice . He said :—That questions " Qil, 's tulerit Graechos de seditioue querentisr is to know whether there has been a n y c o mmunication (Cheers.) If any man al i v e more th an ano th er is in the habit of using violent language against foreign countries between the two governments of England and of France it is the hon. and learned gentleman, who indulges with respect to the alien laws of this country, cr with occasionally in the most unbridled license against almost respect to any portion of our criminal code. The house, every government and almost every man alive. (Cheers, I believe, will understand the reason why I put this and "oh, ob.") If there is anything upon which we question. They must have heard that since the event pride ourselves in this country it is our freedom of speech and that leads us so f an d u to ass over the which lam sure inspired every Englishman with feelings nt , f viols effusions of the hon. and uently p learned gentleman— of regret and detestation—the recent attack upon the thus respecting the principle, which we may disapprove life of the Emperor of the French—there have appeared of the manner in which he exercises it. (Hear.) I say, in the pages of the Monikur certain addresses to the o it woulay, it would be most childish conduct would be most undignified in in the people dresses, naturally enoug h, were expresse d i n t erms of of the people of this coun- Emperor of France from the French army. Those ad- 1 ry t n his country—if, because of certain violent expressions, c strong condemnation at th e a tt em pt e d v i o l en ce against certain intemperate addresses made against the people the Emperor's per son , an d a l so grea t i n di gna ti on at the of England, they were to allow themselves to be swayed authors of the attempt s o ma d e . N o w, sir, if these from the course they might otherwise think right to pursue in reference to their internal legislation. (Hear, expressions had rest e d th ere , I s h ou ld be the fleet to sesepathise with and give my cordial concurrence t* hear.) We ought to make due allowance for the every sentiment they contained. But from the French irritation which has been naturally excited in army there came also accu sa ti on s against England, as France. I will suppose that there issued from though England were a participant in that attack upon Path; on more than one occasion murderers attempting the person of the Emperor of France. (Hear, hear) I similar atrocities hereto those which have been attempted will, with the permission of the house, state the imoiedi- in Paris ; would not the peop:e of this country feel the ate object of my question. Hon. gentlemen are aware greatest indignation, and would they not be likely, in that the Moniteur Is not an ordinary paper ; it is in fact speaking of such attempts, to go beyond that preeise accuracy of expression which nations ought to be guided otters is under the immediate the Gazette of the French government. Ever inspectiob of the y Franca it by in their transactions with other nations ! I trust, government therefore, however we may disapprove of these violent (Hear, hear.) and that government is the Emperor. Therefore what appears in the pages of expressions of feeling in France, that we shall make al the Ifeniteur i 3 the reflex of theopinions of the Emperor lowance for the circumstances under which they were made—that we shall consider what would have been our of France. Weil, sir, in the pages of the Moniteur feelings in a similar case, and under similar circum there appear these attacks upon the English people, and stances—and that we shall not be led away by consider one colonel of a French regiment of the line — full, I ations of what may have been said by individuals in suppose, of military ardour, and that loyalty which France or elsewhere from that course which, upon the he has no doubt exhibited to every ruling monarch merits of the question, we may think fit to follow. that has appeared in France—asks the French Ern (Cheers.) peror to be led against that haunt, thatden,the re'paire Mr. HORSMAN had listened to the speech of the of homicide, meaning Eugland. Well, that 3fonlang,u age is published in the pages of the official eur. noble lord with great attention, and must s a y th a t k e It is published in fact by the French Emperor. That i t is regretted the manner in wh ch he had re f erre d t o hi s h on his opinion ; and I wish now to state lay opinion. (sk and learned friend, and the manner in which he had an laugh from the front Ministerial banishes, answered be !veered his question. He (Mr. Horsman) had intended loud cheers from other partnof the house—mere particu to take no part in the discussion, but he felt that they larly from the benches immediately beh ind Minist e r s.) The French Emperor is the person to direct aga inst ought not in justice to allow suc h i mpu t a ti ons t o b e cas t England accusations of being the den of conspirators ; upon any member of the house as, upon a question in and who could speak with greater knowledge of the which they were all interested, had been most unfairly fact than himself 1 (Cheers.) Has he not enjoyed the cast upon his hn. and learned friend. His hon, and protection and hospitality of England? (Hear, hear.) learned friend did not c o m pl a i n th a t th ere were i n di v i- Has he not, teo, while so enjoying that protection and d ua l s i n F rance w h o h ad i nsulted the national character hospitality, acted the part of a conspirator himself f of England, but that persons near to the Emperor, and (L _ti cheers.) Did he not leave these shores armed who roust have his confidence, were those who had con with the great name of his great predecessor—the name cocted this charge against the people of this country. of the great Napoleon—did he not, armsd with that (Cheers.) These addresses of the French colonels had name, and with a tame eagle—(a laugh)—go to France been published in the Moniteur, the Government paper, and there attack the throne of King Louis Philippe— and circulated under Government influence throughout and did he not murder the man who in the performance France, to show to nn excitable people what was the lan of his duty opposed bins ! (Renewed cheering.) And guage the Emperor appeared to approve in regard to this is the man who chooses to publish in the pages of the attack which had been made upon him, and is show the Jfenseur accusations against England for being the to the people of Europe what were the terms in which haunt and the den of homicides, where conspiracies are they might suppose the demand had been made upon the hatched, and which ought, therefore, to suffer invasion. Government of England for future security against the (Hoar.) But it is not confined to that—the brother of repetition of the crime of which the French Government the Emperor of France (the Count de Morny) has chosen very properly complained. The whole grievance of his in the Legislative Chamber of the French nation, to hon. and learned friend was, that it was the government accuse England of being participant in this attempted of France—the authorities of France—which bad made crime. And not only he, but the Count de Persigny, thes e charges; and on that ground it was that heattached the ambassador of France—in England, in the presence an importance to them which he would not bad they ; emanated from mere private individuals, And then, as to of Englishmen—has dared to make the Fame accin , ation aye, sir, and in the presence of Englishmen he has not the manner in which his hors, and learned friend was in been answered—(hear, hear)—the only reason that I can the habit of departing himself in that house. He hail, conceive being, that the parsons who heard him did not like his noble friend, sat many years in that house with understand him. (Cheers, and a laugh.) But I cennot his hon. and learned friend, and so far from being enr- L,li,vs, the: :n e e E..,slJhz,..au L:.L.I: hear' his county s) prised at his expressing him •lf in streng language, he libelled, no matter by whom, without indignantly re- s h ou ld b e muc h more surpr i se d if , w i th his feelings, palling the accusation. (Cheers.) Those persons who under the circumstances to which he had called attention, heard the Count de Persigny accuse England of being he had not done so. No doubt his hon. and learned participant in the criminal proceedings to which I have friend had frequently expressed himself strongly, but it alluded ought thereon immediately, and on the instant, if had always ben the expression of honest feeling and con. they understood him, to have answered him. (Hear.) scientious conviction, independent of party ties and party Theydid not; but I will. (Hear.) I will say to him that obligations. His hon, and learned friend was in the habit no man more than I estimates highly the ailiaLea be- of casting his censuriebroadcast through the house, but tween England and France ; but there is something I they had all become a :twinned from long experience of estimate still more highly, and that is the honour and his integrity of purpose, and that while he was careless position of England. (Cheers.) And so believing and so of what enemies he made, no man in the House of Com feeling, I would have told him that there was nothing mons was more free from personal enemies than his hon. in the character of Englishmen that in any way weever and learned friend. (Cheers.) He felt, then, that his hon. conduces to or lends a sanction to assassination ; there is an d I,ainei friend had been some what severely dealt with nothing in the history of the country from the beginning by his noble friend. His hoc. and learned friend hid to the end that can justify such an accusation. (Hear.) expressed sentiments that evening which were his own, No English King has fallen by the hand of the ae assin, for which he was re iponsible, and he was not the man to though Kings of France have. W: have condemned a shrink from .the responsibility. But to say that his lan- King to the block, it is true, but it was in open day. guage was habitually so strong that be was an example of (Cheers.) Neither have we ever sent or hired anybody what ought to be avoided and was deserving of blame, to kill any other sovereign for our own national sate • he (gr. Horsmau) could only repeat that, after a very faction—privately, I mean, and by assaseinathin. (Gear.) long experience of his hoe. and learned friend, he be. My answer to Count Persigny would have been that the Hewed that his worst enemy could not pick a hole in the people of England are above assassination. When they whole of his political career, or cast a stain upon that feel indignant they express it, and go to war, if neces parliamentary life which he had sustained with so much nary, to vindicate their honour ; but they do not reek to honour and integrity. (Cheers.) He understood hisnoble avenge themselves privately, or by secret expeditions in friend to say that there bad beers one despatch from the steamboats, or, by assassins, make private attacks upon Government of France upon the subjtct of his hon. any foreign government, or any foreign sovereign, and learned friend's question, and that it would be pro (Cheers.) They do not make conspiracies in London to duced. (Hear.) He did not know whether any answer pull down a government in Paris. Their course is open had been sent to the despatch, but he presumed, before and honourable in dealing with their enemies as with they came to the discussion on Monday, that they would their friends. (Cheers.) When I came into the house have all the papers on the subject laid on the table. yesterday, I heard in any ear something like an inspi. (Hear.) It would also be desirable that they should have ration about a contemplated chang e i n th e Ali en A c t , the opinion of the law office_ sof the Crown —because if it It was said that at the solicitation o f the Emperor of the should be found that these functionaries agreed in the French we were about to alter the Alien Act. I will say *pinion expressed by very high legalauthorities elsewher e , nothing of the ingratitude of the man who now asks us it would be clearly manifest that the alteration of the law to alter a law by which he has profited so largely. But they were to be asked to sanction was unnecessary, and England owes her position amongst the nations of the that the existing law was sufficient for all purposes. This world iu consequence in a great measure of the manner was a pant to which he attached great importance. But in which she has treated the people of all nations who h e wou ld not an ti c i pa t e th e di scuss i on, but trusted they have sought the asylum of our shores. Napoleon, Met- would have all the information brought before them before ternich, the Bourbon?, and Louis Philippe, have all they were called upon to deal with the question, so that sought and obtained a safe refuge here; but no man th e y might he enabled to judge both as to the propriety said, no man had a right to say, that we should alter our of the demand made by the French Government, and of lama because we gave them tuat refuge ; and I say, if the concession which it appeared the Government of this we change the law on this occasion we violate the first country were prepared to make. Mr principles of our constitution, we degrade ourselv es before the world, and are no longer the English panic) ' ROEBUCK (who was met with a cry of " Q .les. that our forefathers were. Well, I come to the house lion") hoped the noble lord would consider the request h 3 with my ear full of this inspi ra ti on . What eas my sur- we e now about to make, that the despatch of the French prise to hoar from the noble lord an anise' icemeent ti at Government should be laid upon the table, and also the he would on Monday move f or leave to introduce a bit answer of her Mejesty's Government to it, as soon as for altering the Alien Act in regard to conspiracies. What suggested to the noble lor possible, so that hon. members might h ave i t i n their lord the necessity of such a change ? Was it that any per. on of authority—for tl * bands before they were called upon to enter on the d's - noble lord, with all his accomplishments , is not a lawyer elusion next Monday. (Hear, hear.) With regard ' to what the noble lord bad said of him (Mr. Roebuck), it —had toldehe noble lord that the law of England could not reach conspiracies, or that the punishment wnhichnes pas Pa`-sod by him " like the idle wind, w hi c h ho regarded the ameliorated lew of Eugland awards t o such he not." Ho asked the noble lord to point to any expression was insufficient 1 For at least a quieter of a century we he had used that could bear out the descriptio n th e no b le i have been doing all we could to render the criminal law lord had given of the language he was in th e h a bi t of using. (Hear.) He might have uttered strong opieions, of England less bloody than it had previously been. A quarter of a century ag Dour criminal code was the most but he defied the noble lord to show that he h a d use d cruel in Europe, but from that time to this we have by viulent language — (cheers)—nor had he used suc h l an - exrience learned that a mild punishment certainly guage on the present occasion. (Hear.) He w ou ld as k adm pe ini,tered is the most effectual p preventive of crime. the noble lord and the house to recollect what h e h a d said. (Hear, hear.) He had said that E ng l an d h a d b ee n Our own domestic experience has taught us that. S% hat Is now suggested by the noble lord ? Teat we should insulted, and that the insult canoe from the Emperor of retrace our steps—that whereas conspiracies have hitherto France. (Hear.) Was there any violent langua ge i n been visitel by fine and imprisonment, we should alt +r that ? (Cheers.) That was a strong statement no doubt—but was not the evidence in support of it etreng and bring back the law to the old standard of cruelty aloe. (Hear, hear.) Wily, the people ef Eneand La i which we had abandoned. My question to the noble lord is one of very significant impertance. If England been threatened before—even in his time—not that h e could recollect it, for he was a child when it oc curre d. wishes to hold her place among the nati n.s. if she wishes still to maintain her own indepen is . nt position, no The great man who bore the name now held by th e r solicitations of an ally, no thteatsreng of anybody, Emperor of the French—the first Nap o l eon —h e , f rom ought to lead us to alter our laws. I have been tell toe opposi te shore of the Channel, th rea t ene d E ng l an d that, as enjeenification for the i solence with w hih with invasion ; and though he disagreed in the policy E n gland his been treated in this mut t er , the no b le lor d ' s adopted by our ancestors on the occasion, he could not but admire their towering thought, and the thorou g hly courageous dein mstratiou with which th e menace o f Eigand should speech at the Mansion - Hou s e in Nov . has been brou g ht forward. God forbid that t h e p eo p l e of . the great Napoleon, surrounded as he was by his legions, aridlres w h a f s re ni na s e . he victories of Jena AuiterlOz, and be made answerable for all the incliscretems of the noblo lord,t (Hear.) He hurled defiance at him I do not say, I do not beh s e io ve n , .th b a u t t tandeminttoibnlge Vicuna lord was imprudent on that occasion ;17 foue l ut him aud conquered him ; and should we, then had treated with contempt and defiance the of France h o w very lit le the noble lord exproese that he was , no man knows better tlea ' n the Expor b or counter menaces of Napoleonic Ge.tn,d, qu ill bsfere the threats feeling of the p e ople o f England. (Cheers a n d of A apoleon le petits. (Cries of question, and manicure cheers.) If there was on that occasion a little un , naLe cheeriew ) —a little vapouring on the part of t he noble lord, it cin LordbPALMERSION would lay the despatch from scarc e ly b e sa id that the people of England as a nation, t h e F renc h Gov e rnment on the table to-morrow (thi s le to suffer for fie bad taste of the Minister. (Hear.) day.) No answer to it h been t ear. W e had p u bli c ly ex p re ssed our detestation of the attack Mr. ROEBUCK then ad withdrew sea his ( m otio n for the on the Emperor of Fiance, and I scant to know, there adjoerement of the house, and the subject dropped. fore, what, could have induced bias to turn round upon the people of England ac he has done, sod meeifest tuat ANNUITY 1 hostility which he has through his own prase, his own SIR IL HAVELOCK. TO LADY HAVELOCK AND MAJOR Minister, anA e lo a lt i s . o w n am b as s a dor shown towards this The hots -e having resolved itself into committee, country: the sunject of an Al; (Rear , hear Toe qu e stion I Lace pet t) the noble lord la —I .) st n^ .a . ' • been any CJire.i.),ll eon. reed said—lt ell, be iii the recollections of the Lou .0 that with the Court of Fre.: thereof l' alteration of our The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER rose France or . the Minister l' fence on . .e . a el, or upo n the suhj -ct of any ia our short meeting before Ceri nines a gree,ious ineeeege criminal code 'I (Cheers Islain' reach of her favour had bash Lord PA.LIVIEIenTON -' her wish that, as a u: ark delivered to this house from her Majesty, stating . gentleman. I can have ran diffi •ulty in ibe do tes. urine e e answering the queete en o f th e is - ' hire e n b e y r alI thisl Thera 1,55 beau a d,., 7 13 , and learned might y b b e Le ta n a , bearingto M. da I taken into consideretion by this house, it the French Minister of Foreign iAcfr mireadirdlsed by I ' l v io e u lu s e e k . ' s T og il l a e t p u ro le v stgl Persigny, the French ambassador her , ,,, 1,0001. a year, and a bill founded upon that re elution the late transactions at Paris, and " ❑ bavnn vesae:reed to grant to Sir H. Havelock an annh ty of urging u ir es tr v o n him th e take such measures as they in their wisdom6rmume"hti necessity of applying to her Majevty' which took place upon that bill and upon ad tlzt k r n eso s l i n id open was subsequently introducsd. During the discussion on to a strong feeling was expressed t tha a t , may thank an be condo i to O d ic p t o r )geed , , i g rant fit in reference to the citcurastance ; not to dictate ;rett'slasealmiebrlii!ndg'ajo'efstyp's,aGliao. measures, but simply to put the case to her Majest y I meet t el s " in u t a red r uce ' . a 'P Ov r ision for extending the an . uity ' Government to deal with ale they might think proper , for two lives—viz ,t at of General Havelock and of his That is the nature of the despatch, and I can have no son, Unempply it has act been in the power of her difficulty whatever in laying it before Parliament. M aje s ty's Geyer .naent to redeem that pledge, fur at the (Cheers.) But, sir, in replying to the hon. and learned vueroytite that the dignity of a baronetcy was conferred eentleman, I feel bound, in the first place, to repel the by p the G en er alou, Havel.ock, and that the annuity was voted barge which the hon. and learned gentleman has made tio,,s i. the service he . had already fallen a victim to his exer c • - the C o un t de . Count de Persign service of his country. The honour con against . Y ferred by the Cro wn the British station of conspiring wit's wn and the bounty of this house could never accuse d not, therefore, take eff ect with intention to give pro- terday to and it became my duty yes nssassins--(hear, hear)—or move the 3" tl t h wit h • stated eistmee y o er the hill which had b • discharge of th order for d• e procee mg tection to assassins. Ha r . erdlgny stared to me the sulject The Go vern ment, 11.jesty's Gove rnmen t —C.Dunt , a however, being desirous of carrying substantially into effect the recommendation of the Crown, and being also desirous of acting upon the understanding which had been come to with this house, has decided on proposing an anniity of 1,0001. a year to Lady Havelock. By a most gracious act of her Majesty Lady Havelock has been placed in precisely the same position as she would have been if her husband had been alive when he was created a baronet, and we have thought that we should be giving effect to the wishes of this house by proposing a grant to her of 1,0001. a year. We propose also to grant an annuity of like amount to the present Sir H. Havelock. (lean) Now, Sir, I think that this house would not hive objected to vote an annuity of 1,0001. a-year to the present Sir H. Havelock even if he were an undistinguished man, and had merely succeeded his father in the ordinary manner of hereditary honours, but I would call the attention of the committee to the fact that the present Sir 11. Have• lock has proved himself worthy of the gallant and heroic deeds of his father, and has himself, ;n the course of his military profession, rendered distinguished services to his country ; and, looking to his own merits, I thi n k that the house will feel themselvesjuatified in conferring upon him a token of their approval, (Hear.) I will state to the committee what has been the military career of Sir H. Havelock :—Brevet-Major Havelock entered the army (Queen's service) as ensign in 1841, became lieutenant the 23d of June, 1848, and captain on the 9th of October, 1857. The Commander-in-Chief had great pleasure in recommending him for his pro mo ti on to a company shortly after the action at Cawnp ore , an d recently for brevet rank of E . )r, no less as a rewar d f or his own gallant and meritorious services than as a tribute to the memory of his gallant father, by whose aide he fought in those numerous engagements which rapidly followed each other in brilliant succession and terminated in the relief of Lucknow. Major Havelock was deco rated with the Victoria Cross for his cool bravery at Cawnpore. It was on that occasion that Major Stirling, a gallant and di,tinlzuished officer, fell at the head of the 64th Regiment. Major Havelock's horse was shot under him at Busserut Gunge on the 29. h of July ; he was severely wounded in the right arm by a musket shot at Lucknew, and been repeatedly mentioned in despatches. I will trouble the committee with an ex t ract from a telegram from the late Major-General Havelock to the Commander-in-Chief, dated Cawnpore, Aug. 18, 1857, and which appeared in the London Qezette of January the 15th— of the personal merits of the present Sir H. Havelock it would no doubt be the desire of the house that it should be carried out. But he thought it necessary to add that the present Sir H. Havelock was not an inefficient, inactive re cipient of this reward, but by his vigour and consummate courage had carried for himself an honourable position in the army. Ho did not mean to say that there were no other officers as brave and distinguished, but that Major Havelock was distinguished for his personal merits. These were the grounds cf his observations, which ho did not think were irrelevant to the question. (Hear, hear.) Mr. INGRAM said that every one must agree that this pension was rightly given, but be thought it ought to be charged on the revenues of India. There were two parties to these pensions, those who received and those who paid them. He thought that the people who had stirred up the insurrection ought to feel its effects and to pay for it. The pension of Lord Dalhousie was charged on the revenues of India, and why should not this be paid from the same source ? At the same time he was far from saying that Major Havelock did not richly deserve it. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that it was always the case that officers in the Queen's service should have their pensions charged on the consolidated funds. It was so in the case of Lord Gough, Lord Har dingo, and others. With regard to officers in the service of the East India Company, the custom was to grant pen- sions charged on the revenues of India ; and in the case of Gen. Wilson, who had received the same pension as Gan. Havelock, it was charged on the revenues of the East India Company. Mi. GRIFFITH said he had no fault to find with the Government for the proposition they had made, for no one sympathised more in the gallant deeds of that great man than he did ; but it did happen last session that the forma of the house praeluded discussion on the subject. The resolution was then agreed to, and the house re sumed. MEDICAL CHARITIES (IRELAND) BILL. Mr. H. HERBEILT said that ha had introduced this bill in the early part of the session, but as he had received many suggestions on the subject, he thought it better to with draw the bill and introduce another. He, therefore, moved that the order for the eacond reading be discharged. EAST INDIA LOAN. Mr. V. SMITH, who was indistinctly heard, rose to move for leave to bring in a bill " for enabling the East India Company to raise money in the United Kingdom for the service of the Government of India." He said that the bill which he rose for the purpose of asking leave to introduce had been rendered necessary by the emergencies which had arisen out of the state of affairs of India, and it would probably surprise no one, that in consequence of the confusion which existed there, the East India Company should come to Parliament for power to borrow money. The bill was strictly limited to the necessities of the present purpose only, and extended the powers of borrowing which he should propose over this session and that of 1859. The house might not perhaps be aware how the borrowing powers of the East India Company stood ; and they wore rather singular. In India the directors had unlimited powers of borrowing, subject to the approval of the Board of Control, but in England the Board of Directors could only exercise borrowing powers tinder certain acts of Parlia ment, the Leta of which was passed in the reign of William 111. Their powers of boriowing in England were limited by these acts to seven millions ; they had exhausted these powers to the extent of four millions, and when the mutiny broke out powers to borrow three millions only remained. The ordinary course of Indian finance bad been inter rupted by that event, but the way of it was this. The Government in India supplied all that was necessary for expenses there, and the Home Government gave notice at the commencement of every year what amount of money was to be remitted from India, which was either received in money, or bills were drawn on India. The mole of re gulating the supply of bills was, that when they were superabundant they were checked by lowering the rate of exchange, and when they wore insuff ic i en t th e su pply was etimulated by raising the rate of exchange. That was the manner in which money was received from India, and it continued until the recent calamities occurred. Thee oc currences had naturally limited the supply in India, and the Government th ere h a d g i ven no ti ce th a t f our millions extra would be required, and that only two millions was available to moot bills. In the present state of affairs the East India Company had to see how they could snake all their resources available. In the autumn the Government in India gave notice that no more bills must be drawn on India, and that besides they should require a supply of bullion. The directors replied that no more bills would he drawn ; they also transmitted a million of bullion, and they said they would give the Government in India a fur ther supply of a crore or a crore and a half of rupees if ne cessary. The Government in India wrote back to say that in consequence of the way in which the Five per Cent. Loan had been raised they would not require a further supply of bullion. The difficulty in which the Board of Directors found themselves was this. Their expenses wore very great i • they had to pay for the transmis sion of all the troops which were sent out to India, and they had been sent out in unusual numbers. It was only by moans of their revenue at home that they met this difficulty. The condition of these revenues was as fol lows (as we euderstood) : —About one million on cash ac counts, about 1 million its securities, 1 million in the 3 per Cen's., and 1,809,00 J in Exchequer Bills. All these resources had been called in existence, and wore nearly ex hausted. He would here make a short statement of the receipts and expenses of the year 185 S, and of the estimate of receipts and expenses for 1859. The Tight hon, gentle man then, in a low tone of voice, read a statement of the different items of receipt and disbursement, of which it was impos,iblc to catch ao,turatt.ly a -itt.l.l item. The re sult was that a sum of about 9,500,000/. would bo required for the service of the two years. It was in order to provide for the raising of this sum that he now asked for powers to the East India Company to borrow a sufficient amount to cover it. The exact amount that would be required would be about 8 millions, but as the Indian Government would. probably require bullion to the extent of a million, ho pro posed to give powersto borrow 10 millions. The only other alteration in tho law was, that proposals for the loan might be received in England. Ho did not suppose that any ob jection could bo made to this proposition, for the house had always shown a desire, since the disturbances in India, to provide all means of meeting the emergency. Ile believed this was the easiest means of providing for the emergency, and in consultation with the Chancellor of the Exchequer, and the best financial a'athorities, it had been thought the best mode of raising the money would be by debentures rather than bonds. He proposed that the security should be debentures. As there would be so small a balance in hand in April, it was desirable that this bill should pees as speedily as possible, and he was sure the house would hevo no objection to expediting its progress, and any information that was required he should be happy to afford either in private or in the house. The necessity for such a proposi tion had bees foreseen and came as no surprise on the money market. The only reason why this bill was not introduced in the short session before Christmas was, that as parliament had met only for a par ticular should b b; purpose, ug time before April, 185 S, fur its consideration. Mr. T. BARING- said that he agreed with the right hon. brought forward,ineaillr° s w n h e i t l e applicable awbl would to o d tbhaostupinurciiieonset gentleman that there could be no doubt of the readiness of the house to afford all means of mooting the present emergency in India, and even to support, by grants of money, the preservation of our dominion in that country. But he must express his astonishment at the mode which the Government had adopted to raise this loan. He should rather have anticipated that the right hon. gentleman would have prefaced hie observations by a decimation that her Majesty's Government had abandoned all idea of le gislating for India. As the right hon, gentleman had said that the bill would give borrowing powers to the East Italia Company fur two sessions, he ought to have added that it was not proposed to interfere with the government of India for two years. To whom was this borrowing devolve t e o ? be ;ranted, i,iielto and iai,,l on iniat w t hm h o ehe w ad ou o ld f the esp e r Gov o e n r s n ib m il e i n ty t had given such distinct notice that it was notorious that it ' was intended to piece India directly under the Govern ment at home. What government was to borrow the money ? The right hon. gentleman did not say that the money was immediately wanted, nor in what manner it was to be expended. Bat he gathered from the statement of the right hon. gentleman that only a very small portion of thelo,oo ),0001. was wasted for repayment of immediate expenses or asleances, and that the rest was to be borrowed successively at different periods as it might be required, between the present time and the middle of next year. Was the East India Company to exist till the middle of next year as the governing power of India? If not, why was the company to have the power to borrow and the control over the money. Ile had always imagined that the first condition of assent to a loan was that it was re quired for immediate and necessary purposes, and next that it should be known by Whom the money was bor rowed, and by whom it was to be spent; and then that it should be borrowed on the cheapest and most favourite terms. Now all these conditions the hen, gen tleman hal failed to satisfy most mischievously and un constitutionally.Hte money ehasmkoendar Ac inw oo h rdig to p who was totlie a b ve the power of borrowing re port the East India Company was in ex trernis. The house ought not to give a dying body the power of borrowing money, or disposing of money, or to confer such a power on some body that was likely to follow. (Hear, hear.) The money was to be borrowed in the course of a year and a half, when, according to the declaration of the Govern ment, there was to be no East India Company, and the future Government was unknown. lie did not ask the right hon. gentleman to reveal the whole of the Govern ment plan, which might not yet bo matured, but he asked him to lift up the corner of the veil, and to show some por tion of the marvellous wisdom of the Treasury Bench, so fur as to show who was to have the management of the loan. If the management was to be in the hands of the Chancellor of the Exchequer, he should have perfect con,. fidence in his character and integrity i • but it would b e most impossible for him to watch the disposal of the money. It must go through COMO ether channel, and if the power should bo delegated to an agent, the money and the paymaster-general might be cut away. (Hear, hear, and a laugh.) Before granting the power now asked for, the house, ought to know by what Government the money was to be raised by what Government it was to be spent, who wee to ba responsible, and whether or not it was the intenliou of her Majesty's Government, in giving to the East India Company the power of borrowing until the middle of next year, to continue their authority until that period. (Hear.) The best thing the Governmeir. could do in the present emergency would be to refrain from agi tating the public mind by legislation on Indian affairs. (Hear.) In saying this he expressed no opinion but his own, for he hal Ili communication with the East India Company on the subject, and wished to guard himself against being supposed to know whether they were in favour of the bill or net. In taking charge of their petitisn, in the general sentiments of which he concurred, he was not committing himself to the support of any policy, and would not have undertaken the duty of presenting it except in the exercise of an independent julgtnent. In the exorcise of that same independent j tidenient he was commenting on the measure of finance now under consideration. The right hon. gentle wan that the loan should be raised in England. When a loan was filling up in India at 6 per cent. he could underaand the necessity of borrowing money in this coun try. But he would ask, if the government of India was to be the government of the Crown, why India was not to leave the advantage of enjoying the credit of the country ef which it was a pelt. Why refuse the advantage of facili tating in ludic the power of borrowing money ? He be lieved that money might be lent to India with perfect veurity, mil that it could be reinibureed by gradual pay ments from the revenues of India. Whether the money was lent directly, as had been the case with regard t o other 00111)1r:es, or by guerenteo, it would be a perfectly safe °aeration for this country, and a benefit to which India was legitimately entitled. (Hear, hear.) Money had been granted to Canada, to Demerara, and other colonies, not only with great advantage to those colonies, but with secu rity to this country, and bad become a bond of mutual in terest between the colonies and the mother country. But this was refused to India when this country was about to take the government of India into its own hands. The Government were chary of guarantees. But did they not pi:a-4100a a loan to Turkey to put the finances of that country in order ? Were the finaucos of India of less im port Ince, so as to induce the Government to hesitate the granting of a luau to In lit r Why refuse to India the "In the combat at Cawnpore, Lieutenant Havelock was my side-de-camp. The 64th Regiment had been much under artillery fire, from which it had sevoiely suffered. The whole of tho infantry were lying down iu line, when, per ceiving that the enemy had brought out the last reserved gun, a 24-pounder, and were rallying round it, I called up the regiment to rise up and advance. Without any other word froai me Lieutenant Havelock placed himself on his horse, in front of the centre of the 64th, opposite themuzzle of the gnn. Major Stirling, commanding the regiment, was in front, dismounted, but the Lieutenant continued to move steadily oil in front of the reg i men t a t a f oot pace on his horse. The gun discharged shot until the troops were within a short &stance, when they fired grape. In went the corps, led by the Lieutenant, who still steered steadily on the gun's muzzle until it was mastered by a rush of the 64th." In that most gallant ?barge the commanding officer un fortunately lost his life, but Major Havelock happily survived the daring attack. I will not trespass longer on the attention of the committee further than to express the hope that the resolution which I shall now place in your hand:, sir, will be unanimously agreed to. (Cheers.) The right hon. gentleman concluded by moving the fol lowing resolution, viz. " That the annual sum of 1,000/. be granted to her Ma jesty out of the Consolidated Fund of Great Britaiu and Ireland, the said annuity to commence from the sth day of February, 1858, and to b o se t t l e d i n the mos t b ene ficial manner upon Lady H ave l ock, the widow of the late Major-General Sir H. H avelock, of Lucknow, K n i g h t Commander of the Most H onourable Order o f t h e B at h , for the term of her natu ra l lif e. " " That the annual sum of 1,000/. be granted to her Ma. jesty out of the Consolidated Fund of Great Britain and Ireland, the said annuity to commence from the sth day of February, 1853, and to b e settled in the mos t b ene fi c i a l manner upon Sir Henry Maraham Havelock, Bart., eldest son of the late Maj or -G eneral Henry Havelock, now, Knight Comm an d er of the Most Honoura bl e O r d er of the Bath, for th e t erm of his natural life." of Luck- Sir J. PAKINGTON thougi.t the Chancellor of the Exchequer had correctly anticipated the feeling of the house when he anticipated its unanimous concurrence in this proposition. Amongst the events of the mutiny none had inspired more sincere or more universal regret than the death of the late Gen. Havelock. (Hear.) He believed that throughout the country a feeling of grati tude was entertained t owards her M a j esty f or th e honour she had conf erre d on La d y H ave l oc k an d he r son, and it was the g enera l i mpress i on b o th i n an d out of Parliament that her Majesty's Government were doing no m ;re than their duty in recommending the House of Commons to bestow these annuities on the widow and son of the late gallant general. (Hear.) He entirely agreed with the right hon. gtntlenaan, and he believed the house would have concurred iu this motion, even if Ma. jor Havelock had been an ordinary individual ; but on the contrary, it was known that he was treadin g gal lantly in the steps of his father, and every one rnu.thope that he would continue his career of glory, and long enjoy the reward given to him by his country. Mr. KINNAIRD bore his testimony to the feeling with which the country would view this reward to Major Have lock. He held in his hand an extract of a letter from Gen. Havelock, in which he expressed his anxiety that he had not been able to make adequate provision for his family— for atter 42 years' service he had been only able to accumu late 4,0001., which, together with a small insurance on his life, was all he had to leave. He was surd that when this was known by the country, there would be a warm and universal recognition of the propriety of the course which had bean pursued towards the family of Gen, Hsvolock. Mr. IiVNG expressed his cordial approval of the resolu tion, and at the same time was anxious to express his set . - row for the loss, and his admiration of the services of Gen. Havelock, whose character as a soldier, whether for bravery, energy, and strategetical skill, had never been surpassed. With the private life of Gen. Havelock it would be pre sumptuous in this house to deal; but it might be permitted him to say that ho was the perfect type of a Christian hero, and though unhappily he had not lived to be aware of the recognition of his services by au admiring Sovereign and a grateful people, ho had at least enjoyed the consciousness of his having done his duty, and that his last act was that were esteemed, as th ey al of rescuing a heroic and endurin g garrison from a fate at the contemplation of wh ich ever y o ne must shudder. So long as the highest Christ ian virtues, illiant courage, and would be loved and admre d . Mr. GRIFFITH was f ar from desiring to disturb the t w h a o y Is s i v, gh or es e t i m n i b li u t g a i r s y ntt,the capacitymemory of General H ave l oc k i unanimity of the home with respect to this vote, and there could be no doubt the proposition of the Government would be ratified by the feeling of the country. B u t h o wished ' to point out how the proper functions of the house had money bill no amen d ment could be been overlaid by the forms of proceeding iu such m a tt ers. The bill was introduced yesterday, and they wer e i n cam muni t ci t , e . e , and Lastyear beinger proposition of th e G overnment was not approved by the house, and yet there was no opportu nity of making any alteration in it. There was a difficulty in the way of the house representing its own wishes ; and it was only from the accidental circumstance of the lam nted death of General Havelock that th e h ouse h ad had time to propose a provision for his wid ow an d son. If the bill had passed last year this could not h ave occurred. It was a question whether there should not b e th e prac ti ce i t w o th. otm wish hadki se distinguishedaiprovision thought for themselves in serv i ce. It was the of General Ha ve l ock, awl mutt the widows of generals and officers the .first thought of every general on dangerous service, that some provision should be secured to his family. Mr. W. WILLIAMS said that there was not a person in the house more ready than he to grant public money for eminent services done to the country, and no services conld have been greater than those performed by the late Gen. Havelock. He rose, not to oppose the motion, for he thought that Lady Ilevelosk was eminently entitled to a pension, but to call attention to the greatly increased re ward as compared with that of last year. Then it was pro posed to give an annuity to Gen. Havelock for his life; and it was the wish of the house that it should be extended to his son for life ; and there was no opposition to that. If the proposition had been to grant Gen. Havelock 2,000/. a year, he (Hr. Williams) would have made no objection, for he thought it was the highest policy to reward eminent public services such as those of Gen. Havelock. . But the ground laid by the Chancellor of the Exchequer for °Tent ing 1,0001. a year to Major Havelock wholly failed. The right honourable gentleman might have pointed out a thousand officers as much entitled to a similar reward on personal grounds as Major Havelock. What must be the feelings of distinguished officers of higher rank than Major Havelock who had received no pecuniary reward, and one or two of whom had received lent a slender ac knowledgment of their services from her Majesty? In particular he thought that Col. Greathed was entitled to a higher re ward than he had received. The right hon. gen tleman had spoken of the ceurags of Major Havelock. Why, there was not a - man in that arrey,ofticer or soldier, who had not displayed as much courage as he. This was a motion for an additional 1,000/, a.y originally propoin (Divid e ) ear beyond what was Mr. NEWDEGATE wished to enter his strong protest, against the doctrine of the hon, member for Lambeth, and on the part of-his constituents he felt deeply grateful to the Government for having made this provision for Major Havelock. The statement of the hon. member for Perth that the provision Gen. Havelock had been able to make fur his family was so inadequate, was sufficient to justify this vote to the mind and feelingsP of every member of this house. But he hold th at it was the greatest wisdom in cases of the devotion of men's live; to the service of their country like that of G en Havelock, H that their families should be provided for a f ter their deathe e did not think it desirable that our o ffi cers should be encum b ere d w i t h wealth, but it had been len; felt that it was a wise princi ple that the country should provide for the families of those who had done great services and risked their lives for their country, and so re li eve the minds of such men f r nn their chief anxiety. If G en. Havelock had been f reeel voLl, or could have known w h at his country was doing for his family, such a c ourse would have Loon more congenial to his feelings than any personal reward. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER Paid he thought it right to remove a misappieheusion under which the noble inernbz fur Devizes laboured, when he thought that the Government had acted procii itat. ly, and that tho house was now in committee on a bill for granting an au nuity to Lady Havelock and Major Havelue,k. The truth Was th it the house was in the first staeo of such a bill, viz., a resolution on which a hill was to be founded. Therefore if the hon. member wished to make any remake on this subject Ito would have ample opportunity in the future stag .3 of the bill. lie wished also to remot:ea strange mis undmetanding, by the hon. member for Lambeth, of the remarks ho had wade. The hon. member understood that he laid the groin,' of the resolution solely on the personal merits of Major Havelock, and irrespective of the services of his lamented father, whereas ho thought that he had di,tiuctly stated that he believed that the house would have grant e I th's annuity to the son of General Havelock, wholly irrespective of his nersonel merits. The original proposition was for an annuity to General Ife.veleck only ; and it was the expressed wish of the house that it should be continued to his son; that is, that it should bo granted for two lives. The Government acceded to the wish of the house, but that was not the original proposition. Since that understanding had been come to, the lamented death of General Havelock had become known, en 1 the position of things had changed, and it was thought that the origi nal intention should not be carried into effect ; and it be came his (Chancellor of the Exchequer's) duty to submit to the wishes of the house; and he had said that iirespective the house a different resolution, carrying out the spirit of facilities which had been afforded to Turkey ? Again, had not money been given to Sardinia for the payment of troops to aid in the war against Russia? Would it bo more ob jectionable to lend money to India for an English object ? When the English Three per Cents. were at 95 and the East India Company were borrowing money at l; per cent., would it not confer a great advantage on India and give a favourable introduction to the abolition of the double government to allow India to enjoy fully her union with this country ? But this was refused. It was said " You shall be under the crown for the purposes of power and honour, bnt as to the question of credit, you shall have none of our credit." When the right hon. gentleman proposed to give to the East India Company the power of borrowing for two years, an I the probability was that that company would not live for many weeks, the ab surdity of such a plan must P tri ko every member of the house. It seemed to him to be contrary to every prin ciple of constitutional Image to grant a minister, who was not known, tho power of borrowing 10,000,0001. to dis pose of existing obligations and debts, leaving the re mainder to be managed no one knew how. lie was not aware whether any opposition would be given to the measure at its present stage, but trusted some hon. mem ber of greater iniluence would express his opinion on the subject. (Near, hoar.) _ _ The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that notwithstanding the high financial authority of the hon. gentleman, he did not think the house would, upon a ma ture consideration of the question, come to the conclusion that the bill proposed by his sight hon. friend was not founded on principles of correct legislation en the two points on which the hon. gentleman had impugned it. The hon. gentleman's first objection was that the Government sought to obtain for the East India Company the power of borrowing money, which in consequence of expected legislation they might not be able hereafter to exercise; and he then argued that the exigencies of the Indian treasury ought to be satis fied not by loans borrowed on Indian credit, but by loans granted on imperial credit. Now he (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) ventured to , maintain, with great confidence, after a fall consideration of the matter, that she bill was founded on correct policy in both respects, although that policy was directly contrary to that recommended by the hon. gueelernan. It was not disputed that a necessity existed for the Government of India in this country to raise money by loan for the payment of the expenses of their home treasury. If that point should be conceded, considerable progress would be made in the solution of the question. Now, what was the position of the East India Company with respect to their borrowing powers. In India their power of borrowing was unlimited, and it was not suggested that the authority of parliament was-necessary to enable the Governor-General in council to borrow. There was always a loan open in the three presidencies of India, and the bor rowing power had never been disputed, and was constantly kept in a state of activity. With regard to this country, the borrowing powers of the East India Company were peculiar, owing to the manner in which their auomalous authority had been created. Having been originally a trading company, which accidentally acquired sovereignty and governing power, their power to borrow was limited by Parliament, as Parliament limited the borrowing powers of any ordinary joint stock company. Owing to these circumstances, it was necessary for Parliament to give to the Government of India iu this country specific authority to borrow money in this country. But in con sequence of their having become a political body after they had originally exercised merely mercantile functions, they had not the same advantage in the money mar ket in this country which was possessed by the local Government of any of our other depend encies or colonies. If, for example, the Government of Canada, or the Government of Demerara wished to effect a loan in this country--if their credit enabled them to borrow—there was nothing in the statute law to prevent their exercising that power to any extent to which they might bo able to induce landowners to come forward. But the East India Company was peculiarly situated, and it was necessary for them to apply to Parliament to remove that restriction which the accident of being a trading com pany had embarrassed it with. What was now required was thatthe government of India in this country —the Board of Directors subj ect to the control of theßoard of Commissioners for Ind:a—should have the power to a ce:tain extent to borrow money in this country, iu order to defray the ex penses of their home treasury for a limited time. If they exercised that powerthey would exercise it subject to all the laws now in existence. If the power was clear, the responsi bility would continue so long as the existing state of things remained unaltered. If it should please Parliament on the proposition of the Government to make any alteration in the constitution of the home government of India, undoubtedly 'it would take care to yrovido for the transfer of those powers—to see that the borrowing powers created by the bill should be exercised under proper responsibility — an d that the money obtained by the exercise of such borrowing powers should be used, subject to the laws which regulate the expenditure of the government of India. No dangerous intervvd would occur, and there would be a clear power and complete responsibility, both during the currency of this act, and under any amended statute which parliament might think fit to pass. Therefore there was not the smallest weight in the objections to the principle on which the bill was founded. Tee necessity existed for authorising the existin g home government of India to raise money for the wants o f the home treasury. The necessity existing, the constitution of the home government continued, the present bill was adapted to that constitution. The power of raising and using the money would be exercised under the existing law. If parliament should think fit to alter the present constitution, then the power of borrowing must be dealt with in the same manner as other powers inherent in the East India Company, and no peculiar difficulty would arise with respect to the present bill which would not arise with respect to their other powers. They now possessed a small nnexhausted power of borrowing on India Bonds, to which the objections of the hon. gentleman would apply as much as to the present bill The hon. gentleman proposed. that loans for the service of India should not be raised on the credit of the revenue of India, but by the Imperial Ex chequer; and argued that the government were bound to accede to his principle, because they were about to propose the abolition of the political powers of the company in this country. But he could not see the smallest connexion be tween the pa mises and the conclusion of the hon. gentleman. It was only necessary to 'look to other dependencies and colonies of the kingdom to see manifold examples of govern ments, in which there was a direct relation between the Crown and the dependency, and in which, nevertheless, the exchquers were just as distinct as the imperial exche quer and the Indian exchequer, and whore the loan was effected by the colonial credit, unless the imperial credit was giver( by the specific legislation of Parliament. The hon, gentleman bad referred to the case of the Canadian loan, and that of the Demerara loan, as examples which ought to be follo we d w ith regard to India. Now, the Canadian loan was effected under peculiar circumstances, with a view to the settlement of differences pending with the colony, and rested simply on the policy of an impe rial guarantee for a colonial loan. In the case of Dome rers, and other loans effected by the West India islands, they were in some degree connected with the emancipa tion of the slaves, rend the distressed financial condition of those colonies, and surely they afforded no example for the extension of an imperial guarantee to an exchequer so generally wealthy as that of India. During the last session an imperial guarantee was 'given to New Zealand, but the reason was, that it was a young and struggling community —and there were peculiar relations with the Now Zealand Company which rendered it expedient that the assistance of the British treasury should be given to that community. Those reasons, however, did not apply to our East India dominions, which had never-yet been a burden upon the British exchequer. On the contrary, in the early history of our relations with India; an attempt was made to ex tract from India a contribution to the English exchequer. That tribute, as it was called, was paid for a series of years and t a great extent a delusion prevailed that England had, to no inconsiderable degree, been enriched by the con tributions of India, and that so far from the imperial ex chequer being called upon to guarantee Indian loans and -becoming itself tributory, the common belief of foreigners and of many persons in this country teas, that Englan I had derived from India some assistance to its exchequer. Without wishing to revive long settled disputes as to the tribute of India in aid of the expenses of this country— without thinking that it would ever be possible, or if pm= Bible that it would bojust or expedient, to call upon the finances of India to do more than discharge the wants of the Indian Government. He could not for a moment ad mit the principle that except for some extraordinary pur pose—except on account of the failure both of Indian re venue and Indian credit—it would be expedient or just to eall in aid of the finances of India the credit of the Lnpa rial Legislature. Differing entirely with the hon. gentle man on the two important points which ho had raised, he justified the bill on principles of sound policy, and as de servire of the support of the house. (Hear.) Mr. Mr.'DISRAELI did not think his hon. friend the mem ber for Huntingdon (Mr. Baring) ought to flatter himself with the notion that her Majesty's Ministers would with draw their intended measure to change the govern ment of India on account of the existence of a great emergency, because it was in the midst of a great emergency, after due and deep consideration, that hop Majesty's Ministers snivel at the conclusion that such a potty ought to be recommended to Parliament; and, considering the intitnatioa contained in the speech from the throne--considering the correspondence which had taken place between the highest authorities connected with the Government of India and the First Minister of the Crown--considering that a member in another place had last night signified the intention of the Government to bring forward a measure to change the powers of the East India Government in this country, he thought his hon. friend would, upon reflection, not flatter himself that his appeal would b 3 successt ul. (Hear) It appeared to him that- her Maj else's Ministers were not acting with that ingenuousness and candour which the house had a right to expect. After the notification from the Crown and the correspondence which had passed between the First Minis ter and the directors, it was rather extraordinary that the }louse of Commons had received no official intim stion on the subject, when the interposition of that house was ne cess try to enable the East ludia Company to carry on the government of that vast country. lie did not think the right hon. gentleman had mot, the practical difficulty in the case. The question really was, what were the most advantageous terms on which the Home Government of India could raise the money ? The house had been told that, whatever changes might take place, it was the deter ruination of the Government th at any loan raised iu this country by the Home Government of India should be a charge upon the revenue of India only. He would not at present enter into the policy and propriety of that de.'ser ruination ; but if the loan was to be chargeable only on the revenue of India, it became a question of calculation with those who hal the money to lend whether the secur it y would be best under the Government now i n existence in India, and which administered India, or under the Govern ment projected by her Majesty's Ministers, That appeared to be a distinction of the utmost importance, which the house was bound *to 'consider, and which involved the whole question of the policy or propriety of the change of g Government. (Hear, ho ar .) It was a question of consideration whether the h ouse should or could ente rta i n raye a measera of this kind--a measure which empowere d th Home Government o f I n di a t o raise, not for imm edia te or pressing purp oses , b u t f or future purposes, a le of such a large amoun t . Th e first consideration of tho se who had money to lend must be the security on which the money was to be lent. If the security was only to be the revenue of India, the question would be the parties by whom the government was to be administered alma the means by which the revenue was to be raised, because that might make a difference between 3 and 6 per cent, , b or e . tween 6 and 9 per cent. Seine persons might coed ler that if the administration of India was placed un !er the crown, the sosurity offered by the Indian revenue would bo in finitelyimproved. But there might he an influential body, alai amongst them probably malty who wou'd be willing to advance the money, who would look with the greatest ! alarm and distrust on the projected - alteration, as likely to shako th e f oun d a ti ons o f th e I n di an teV011:10, and a ff ect t h a resources and prosperity of the country. Under these sir cum lances, although be could not go so f ar as to say the house ought to refuse to sanction the introduction of the bill, beta tee that would bo an act of discourtesy tower ,1 the gov ernmen t t o w hi c h he did not w i s h to ha eSpartvle s thought the house ought to say, in per m i tting its introdu ce , time, wo are not pledged tqaupport it in it s f u t ure stages, His impression was that when the bill was well weighed by the house and the country, it would be found replete with grave objections and deserving of the most serious a'ad earnest consideration. (Hear, hear.) Mr. CARDWELL thought the demand that the East India Company should borrow money was a reasonable one --(hear, hear) but it became an early question what was to be the future position of the CoLsolidatel Fund in con nection with this loan. Money borrowed by the East In dia Company would be twice the charge of money borrowed by the Crown. Ile had no desire to precipitate the dis cussion on the forthcoming measure with regard to India, but it was of fist moment to consider on what basis the future revenue of India was to rest. (Hear, hear.) Mr. HENLEY said th ere cou ld b e no ouht that the East India Company required money at this moment, but the question remained, whether the means of borrowing proposed was the best that could be devised. (Hear, hear.) Ile thought the house had been left somewhat in the dark on the subject of the revenues of India. In all former cases, where so large a loan as ten millions had been bor rowed, Parliament had been informed as to the means of repayment, and the particular security to be forthcoming. The Government had omitted all information in this re spect. If the money was to be raised entirely on the security of the Indian revenue, the power of lending money in India at 6 per cent, would to some extent influence the advance of money at lower rates in this country. (Hear.) Mr. MANGLES said that although the East India Com pany had not, asked the Government to bring in a bill for the aboliticn of the company's power—(a laugh)—they cer tainly had requested the introduction of the present mea sure. Money was required by the company in consequence of the enormous outgoings in connection with the recent mutiny, both with regard to the supply of money for troops and the transport of stores. The Home Government of India required assistance, and it was asked in order that the machine should not come to a stop. The right hon. member for Buckinghamshire said that tho money was not inimediately required ; but the fact was that, at this mo ment, the company owed the Government for the payment of troops and for stores not less than 3,000,0001. • and at the end of 1858-9 that sum wou ld amoun t to 7,000,0001. With regard to the terms of borrowing, he believed that 6 per cent. in Calcutta was equivalent to 3 per cent. in this country. The company's Four per Cent. Bonds were at present at a premium of 28s. per cent., and this showed that the company was not at so low an ebb as some sup posed. (Hear.) It had been said that the East India Company, like certain colonies in former times, could bor row in the market, and lawyers were of opinion that an extension of the company's powers could he effected for that purpose; but whatever might be the opinion on that head, he hoped that in the meantime the machinery of the Home Government of India might not be allowed to stand still for the want of funds for carrying on the war. (Hear.) Sir F. BARING had no wish to impede the East Indira. Company in procuring money (hear, hear) ;—but thought the loan should be confined to the year. (Hear, hear.) Why should the company now have advanced to it three millions more than it wanted, when it was well known that before the expiration of six months that company itself would have uecome a matter of history. (A. laugh.) He should also have liked to have had a little information as to the diepos il of the money. The only fact known was, that as far as finance was concerned, the Chancellor of the Exchequer would not bo responsible. It was all very well for the right hon. gentleman to say this, but the English public, in the contingency of failure on the part of the Indian finances to repay the loan, would feel bound in honour to repay it. (Hear, hear.) It, therefore, became the duty and the interest of the Government to borrow money on the most eligible terms. (Hear, hear.) A. necessary preliminary to the loan was explanation as to the actual sum required. (Hear, hear.) Colonel SYKES did not mean to anticipate discussion cn the forthcoming bill for setting aside the company, but desired to express his entire concurrence in the measures adopted to preserve its powers. Pending legislation, money was urgently required. But this was his firm conviction, that if tho bill for abolishing the company were carried into effect, the securities on which the money was advanced would not be worth a rush. (Hear, and a laugh.) Sir H. WILLOUGHBY considered the moment chosen by the Government for destroying the powers of the East India Company most inopportune. It was most important, also, that before granting the proposed loan the financial situation of India should be clearly laid before Parliament. Ile very much doubted whether the holders of East India Stock ware not prejudiced by the present measure. Mr. DANBY SEYIvIOUR said that a disposition had been shown to limit the amount of this lean. Such also was the desire of the Government, and the sum named by them—namely, 10,000,0001.—was the limit assigned. The loan, he con& n led, had been advantageously put out. Mr. V. SMITH, in reply, thanked the house for the tone and temper in which they had received the measure. There was no intention to charge tho revenues of this country with liability for any portion of the loan. He hoped that, considering the position of the East India Com] y, no unr.ecassary delay would take place before the second reading of the bill. Since the last Indian bud get, the Indian renues had certainly not imprv, from causes well known ev to the house. The money to o la Araised virgule' be confined exclusively to home expenditure. Leave was then given to bring in the bill. EAST INDIA. CADETSHIPS. Colonel SYKE3 moved for a return of the number of cadetships and different classes of individuals upon whose sons all cadetships for India have been conferred by the directors of the East India Company and President of the Board of Control, in the several years from 1840 to 1857, both inclusive, lie believed there would be no objection to the return, similar ones having been furnisned. When produced Le felt satisfied it would be seen that in not a sing's case had promotion been the result of patronage. Mr. V. SMITH said that it would be difficult to make his return, which, in fact, wag hardly intelligible. He could not conceive the reason why the return was to be limited to the period between 1840 and 1817. except that in the former year the hon. and gallant colonel became a director of the company. Colonel SYKES said he could not consent to the alte rations proposed in the form of the return by the right hon. the President of the Board of Control. The motion, as originally proposed, was then agreed to without a division. INDIAN PETITIONS, Sir H. VERNEY moved for copies of all papers not already presented to the house, connected with the various annexations of territory in India, including minutes by in dividual directors, since the annexation of Sattarah ; ac counts of all sums pal 1 to Hindoo or Mahometan shrines, or in any way in honour or support of the religion or of religious institutions of the native inhabitants of India, which wore collected or disbursed by the agency of the East India Company's servants during the year 1857; copies of the petition of the inhabitants of Calcutta for the rs cal of the Governor-General, together with any observations which he may have male thereon ; and, if any despatches from the Court of Directors of the East India Company to the Government of India, respecting the appointment of commissioners to inquire into the cause of the military mutiny in that country, and the best means of re-organise ing the Bengal army. Mr. V. SMITH explained that the petition from Cal cu, to referred to in the motion, was not accompanied by so full an explanation by the Governor-General as was usually the case in despatches transmitted from India to the Government at home. With this explanation the motion Was agreed to. On the motion of Mr. HATTER, a new writ was or deredlor the southern division of the conuty of Northamp ton, for the election of a member in the room of Lord Althorpo, who since his election had been called to the House of Peers. THE NEW INDIA BILL. Lord PALMERSTON gave notice that on Friday next he would move for leave to bring in a bill for the better regulation of the Government of India. Tho house then adjourned, at a few minutes after eight o'clock. • Country Markets. LIVERPOOL, FEB. 5. The trade remains languid and unsati s f ac t or y, an d a poor a tt endance, with a small business in wheat at about the full rates of Tuesday. Flour quite neglected, and the prices wore merely nominal. Oats dull, and meal the turn cheaper. Indian corn mot a small demand at 33s 6d for mixed American, and 33t for Black Sea. White was re.' thor more freely ollored at 36s per qr. WAKEFIELD—FEB. 5. The arrivals of grain this week wore large, and wheat sold 2s per qr lower, buyers suppl y i ng th emselves w i t h small qu an t i ti es at the decline. Inferior kinds almost un saleable. Barley is cheaper, and secondary sorts difficult to sell. B.2ans firm. but oats and shelling rather easier. Averages for the week : Wheat, 47s 6:ld Oats, 23s 21(1 1 Peas, 42s —d. Barley, 36s 6,,d I Beans, 41s o}d l Rye, —a Od. EXETER—PER. 5. CORN.—Wheat, 69.3 d to 6s 64 ; barley, 4a to 4s 6d ; grinding do., OR Od to O s Od. Oats, 2s 9d to 33 Beans, Os 04 to 0 04. Peas, 00s 04 to 00s 04. FLOUR.—Fine, 35s Od to 37s ; seconds, —a Od to Oil 04 per sack. CATTLE. —There Was a large supply of bullocks. B eet beef, from Ps 01 to lie Od pet score ; inferior, 7s to 8i p er score; fat calves, Ocl to 63 per lb ; barrenners, Os Od to 04 Od. per score ; cows and calvec., 121. to 201. Oe ; butchers' calves, Od to 7d per lb., rearing calves —s to each; sheep, ewes and lambs, 21..5e to 31. sss per couple; ewes, Od to 6,d; wethers, 7d --.l;' lambs, 7Ad to 0 per lb. Pigs, large size, —s to —s ; second size, —a to —a ; slips, —II to —s ; suckers, —s to —s. Rough fat, 44,1 par lb. Pork carcases from 7s Od to 8s Od per score. BIRTHS. AVON— ) n the 3d inst., at 41, Doughty-street, the wife of James J. Aston, barrister-at-law, of a son. PAss—Ou the 4th lust., at 135, Westbourne-terrace, Mt% David Dc Pass, of a son. HOWELL —On the 4th inst., at 6, Eaton-pl aeo west, the w ife of I'. J. H owe ll , Esq., e. daughter. Moon —On the 4th inst., Mrs. Robert Moon, of 45, Clow land-square, Hyde -park, of a son. MARRIAGES. Gft ANT—CHADWICK —Oll the 2d inst., at the parish church, Prestwich, Capt. Joint Grant, late 42d R ,yal Highlanders. eldest sou of James Murray Grant, Esq., of Gleumoriston. Inwrnoss-shire, to Anne, second daughter—and, at the same time and place, Sainsbury Gillies Payne, Esq.. W . rister-at-l aw , on l y son of fir Char!es Gillies Pique, Bart'? of Blunhani House, Be :fortishire, to Catherine Anne, ttfli Youngest daughter—of Robert Chadwick, Esq., of nigh Bank, Prestwich, no it Manchester. WALKER —BASS—On the 3(1 inst., at Buckland, Dover, Josh. Walker, Esq., 'of Dover, and of the Woodlands, Adisharai Kent, to A nn, daughter of the late Thomas Bass, Esq., ° Buckland-place, near Dover: DEATHS. IlAarox—On the 5:11 icst. Crunsto:io Arthur infant son Mr. Thom a s Barton, of ' the firm of Abbott ' , Barton, an' Co. Bunza—On the 2d inst. at Old Kent-road, Mrs. Rosetta Butler, aged 95. FLAMM—At Cheltenham, Mrs. Flaurey, aged OS. FiliDES—Ok the 4th inst., at Blackheath, JaniesFiddos, Esq.' aged 74. KINo —On the 4th inst., Thomas Bennett King, of 10, A4l l br road, Canonbury, Islington, late of 9, Gray's-inn-squa re, Holborn, aged 70. K INOSLUY - 1 011 the sth hist., at 1, Devonshire -terrace, Que ent :i road, Peckham, the wife of Lieutenant-Colonel Ildivg Kingsley. LONDON: Printed and Published by MURDOIOIO (3 ° of No, 11.2, Strand, Printer, at The Sum Mee. N°:, 112, Strand, in the P roe i net of the Savoy. In t h e county of Sliddleuex, Saturday, February 6, 1858.