The Sun. — London, England, 1860-07-21 00:00:00

10, IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS--(YESTERDAY.) The LORD CnexcELLoa took his seat on the woolsack at live o'clock. PRIVATE BUSINESS. The Duke of Norfolk's Estates Bill,Highbridge Markets and Gas Bill, Bedford and Cambridge Railway Bill, Lin coln's-inn Bill, and-Caithness Roads Bill were read a third time. THE SOUTH-WESTERN RAILWAY. On the motion for the third reading of the London and South-Western Railway (Kingston Railway Extension, &o.) Bill, Lord WYNFORD objected to a private bill, entitled the London and South-Western (Kingston Extension, &c.) BM. He presented a petition from Dorchester, complaining of certain conduct of the South-Western Company. The noble lord contended that the further powers which they now asked for to make an extension at Kingston ought not to be granted till some evidence had been given of their in tention to fulfil their former undertakings. With the view of enabling the company to afford an explanation, he begged to move that the third reading of the Kingston Railway Extension, &c., Bill be postponed to that day three weeks. Lord EBURY observed that the construction of the Kingston Extension Railway was in no way connected with the completion of a double line to Dorchester. It was a most unusual course to prevent the formation of a branch line in one portion of the country, because another branch in a wholly different direction had not been completed. Lord TAUNTON thought that when a railway company did not keep faith with the Legislature, it was very desir able that 04e Legislature should keep in its hands the power of punishing them for this breach of faith. He was not fully informed, however, whether a breach of faith had been committed in this instanee. Lord REDESDALE was of opinion that no breach of faith had been committed to justify an opposition at so late a stage as the third reading of this bill. The Earl of DERBY suggested that the third reading should at least be postponed for a week, in order to enable the Board of Trade to receive the return which, they said, they had sent fora month ago. Lord WYNFORD modified his amendment to postpone the third reading until this day fortnight. Their lordships divided, when the numbers were— For the third reading 33 Against it Majority The bill was then read a third time and passed. THE ROMAN STATES. The Marquis of NORMANBY postponed the motion which stood in his name on the paper, on the subject of the condition and administration of the Roman States, from Tuesday next until Monday week. LOCAL TAXATION RETURNS BILL. This bill was read a third time and passed. TITHE COMMUTATION BILL. Earl DE GREY and RIPON moved that the house go into committee on this bill. The Earl of DERBY objected to the powers of compul sory redemption given to the commissioners. The principle was equitable, but its adoption should be left to the option of the parties interested, After an explanation by the Earl of RIPON, The bill passed through committee. On the report, Lord REDESDALE objected that clergymen should be obliged to accept a compromise in cases where the value of the land was increased by its application to building pur poses. Bill reported. METROPOLITAN BUILDINGS ACT AMEND- MENT BILL. This bill was read a third time and passed. MINES REGULATION AND INSPECTION BILL, On the order for the second reading, Lord RAVENSWORTH presented a petition against portions of the bill, and was understood to propose an amendment. This bill was, however, read a second time. TRAMWAYS (IRELAND) BILL. This bill was read a second time. COURT OF QUEEN'S BENCH ACT AMEND. MENT BILL. This bill passed through committee. INCLOSURE (No. 2) BILL. This bill also passed through committee. ISLE OF MAN HARBOURS BILL. This bill was read a second time. DOMINICA HURRICANE LOAN BILL. This bill passed the second reading. ADMIRALTY COURT JURISDICTION BILL. This bill was also read a second time. Their lordships then adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMQNS.—(YESTERDAY.) The SPEAKER took the chair at half-past 12 o'clock. PRIVATE BUSINESS. The Lords' amendments to the following bills were con sidered and agreed to :—Aylesbury and Buckingham Rail way (by the promoters) ; London, Brighton, and Smith Coast Railway (Deviations and New Lines, &c.) ; Mid Sussex and Midhurst Junction Railway Deviation ; Peters field Railway ; West End of London and Crystal Palace Railway; and Manchester and Milford Railway. The Galway Harbour (No.i2) Bill was read a second time ; and on the motion of Mr. C. FORSTER, the following was agreed to :—That the standing orders be suspended, and that the bill be referred to the former committee on the Galway Harbour Bill, with leave to sit and proceed on Monday next. SAVINGS BANK AND FRIENDLY SOCIETIES BILL. The house went into committee on this bill. On clause 1, Mr. S. ESTCOURT said he felt bound, from a sense of duty, to oppose this bill, which he did with pain, as he considered that this was a measure which should be in the hands of Government. He objected to the entire scheme of the Chancellor of the Exchequer in reference to the bill, which was fundamentally at variance with the recommendation of the committee. It was proposed to deal with the whole stock created by the accumulation of savings bank depositors for several years, and this stock is held by Government as a security to local banks in the same way as any other Government security is held in reference to individuals. It was proposed also to cancel stock to the amount, in round numbers, of £29,000, and the bill had other provisions which were very objectionable. He repeated the arguments urged against the bill on the second read ing, and contended that all the objects proposed by Govern ment would be effected without the creation of a book debt, as proposed by the bill. The matter involved was not a mere savings bank question, but a question of public policy, and though he had carefully studied the subject he was satisfied that the evils would exceed any advantages re sulting from the measure. He concluded by moving the omission of the clause. Mr. BRISCOE considered that if the Chancellor of the Exchequer required money he should obtain it constitution ally, and not employ for State purposes the money confided to his custody. He thought Government should not be tempted to use such money for financial operations, but that they should regard it entirely as trust property. Mr. HUBBARD said if this bill were introduced simply to confirm the rights of depositors with reference to money deposited in savings banks, it was unnecessary, because at present Government were obliged to return the money to the depositors. But he considered it went further, and proposed to simplify, amend, and improve the management of savings banks with respect to the money in the hands of Government. As regarded the objection of the hon. member (Mr. Estcourt) in reference to the creation of book debts, he drew attention to the fact that on the books of the Bank of England would be found an item of £11,000,000 from Go vernment, and that was considered as good a debt as any other security of Government, although nothing more than a book debt. He strongly deprecated the use of the money of savings banks for the purposes of financial in trigue, and he thought such a practice would be most dis advantageous to the interests of a Government. He also strongly objected to the clause which gave tha Chancellor of the Exchequer the power to create a new stock, but he denied that the bill was open to other objections which had been advanced against it. If the Chancellor of the Exchequer wished to have the money deposited in Savings' Banks for financial operations, he would not have introduced the present bill which frustrated any such intention, if it were ever entertained. He was aware that the measure was unpopular Out of doors, but he had exa mined the several petitions against it which were all one sided, and were not really directed against its essence, being founded on an entire misapprehension. He concluded by expressing his approval of the bill generally. Mr. HENLEY asked who wanted this bill—had any- one petitioned from any quarter for any bill of the kind ? If the Chancellor of the Exchequer chose to waste the money of the savings banks, or to do what he liked with it, the e°._on o try would be pledged to pay the money so expended. Nation he did not think that the present bill made any al on that point. The committee who had investi geattet_d.7this subject and the public had a very strong feeling as Parliament of jobbing, and there was but one view out of TPhol nent on. the bill. CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that the.effect of this bill, as it stood, was to enlarge the income of the savings b ankfund, and to provide for it s f ur th er extension. That increase, after some years, would amount to no less than ZIO,") or £•)0,000, a n d w h en th e y came t o the consideration o f another of the bill, it wou ld b e seen that the exten s i on of income would be effected. The fact was that the op positi on . t the bill ar ose f rom persons who were interested in the continuance of th e p resen t sys tem.. He alluded to those officers of tot wish this bill, as it tended to dimsianNisinhgtshbe amount banks who did ap plicadble to building and other Purpose s e ial to the interests of the public. houseil built for savings banks throughout the handsome Th e ; I : a o w wa y benefi_ country. which were used only two hours a da y fu r business, gad occu pi e d by the office rs he described, who doubtless did did not desire to be deprived of such agreeable residences. It was with these officers that t h e petition against the bill originated, and he d en i e d that there was any hostility to the measure on the part of depositors. The state of the case was *4IOY this :—The moral obligation of the country was full and absolute to return the savings banks both principal and interest, which was recorded in acts of Parliament ; but there was no legal machinery to enable the Government to give effect to that obligation. If they supposed the extreme case that all the savings banks required their money at the same time, the Government would not be in a position to evade its payment. The Com missioners of the National Debt had no further power than merely to realise their assets and hand them over towards making up any deficiency, but by this bill the whole funds of the country would be answerable for any money bor rowed from savings banks. It was admitted that there was a deficiency between liabilities and assets at present which by this bill it was proposed to recover. The deficiency to be dealt with amounted to £3,500,000 which had to be filled up, and he did not consider that he was justified in asking the public to assume that burden, in addition to those heavy burdens under which it was at present labouring. The right hon. gentleman made some further observations in support of the bill. Mr. HANKEY opposed, and Sir F. BARING supported the bill. Sir H. WILLOUGHBY said that the Chancellor of the Exchequer had described the Government as a banker in regard to the fund now in question, but it assumed far more extensive powers than those exercised by any other banker in the kingdom. By the bill the Chancellor of the Exchequer had a right to change the securities, and a most important innovation was attempted to be introduced. He concluded by expressing a hope that the committee would reject the clause. After a few words from Colonel SYKES against the bill, the committee divided— For the clause .. 78 Against Majority —3B The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER—Sir, I have only to move that you leave the chair, as the loss of the first clause entirely destroys the bill. (Cheers from the Opposition benches.) _ The Chairman then left the chair and the house resumed, but immediately went into committee. REFRESHMENT HOUSES AND WINE LICENSES (IRELAND) BILL. Clauses 1 to 5 inclusive were agreed to. On clause 6, Lord NAAS moved an amendment to the effect that the clause should not apply to night houses of a humble class and a concession was offered by Government to exempt 'houses under a rental of £2O a-year, in towns with a popu lation not exceeding 10,000. Mr. HENNESSY moved that the Chairman report progress. The committee divided on this motion, and there ap. peared— Ayes .. 28 Noes Majority —sl It being four o'clock the sitting was suspended. The house resumed at six o'clock. EDUCATION ESTIMATES. Sir J. PAKINGTON asked when the education esti mates would be brought on. He had a motion on the sub - ject, and it would be a convenience to himself and other members if they had notice of the time when the estimates would be brought on. Mr. LAING said he was afraid that in the present state of public business it was impossible for him to give a de finite and satisfactory reply as to the exact day on which these estimates would be brought on, but he would give due notice, and endeavour that they should be brought on at an early period of the evening. GOVERNMENT OF INDIA ACT AMENDMENT BILL. Mr. VANSITTART gave notice that on the hon.member for Portsmouth. (Sir J. Elphinstone) asking leave to bring in his Government of India Act Amendment Bill, he would take the sense of the house upon the propriety of in troducing any such measure at this period of the session. MANUFACTURE OF MUSKETS. Mr. H. VIVIAN asked the Secretary of State for War what number of rifled muskets had been manufactured at the Government establishment at Enfield during the twelve months ending 30th June last, and at what rate the manu facture was now proceeding; and what number of rifled muskets have been received from contractors during the same period, and what number the Government were still liable to receive under contract. Mr. S. HERBERT said the number of rifles made at Enfield during the year ending the 30th June was 90,707, which gave a weekly average of 1,744. But the weekly ave rage had since been raised to 1,900, and when the new machinery was brought into operation, it would be still fur ther raised to 2,000: 30,416 muskets had been received from contractors, and there were still due from contractors 99,626. DISTRICT PROBATE REGISTRARS. Mr. HADFIELD asked the Chancellor of the Exche quer whether it was intended by the Government that the payment of district registrars appointed under the Probate Act (21 Vic., c. 77) by fees should be continued; or whether the Government would take into consideration the extent of services performed, and order payment for the same (under the 11th section of the said act) by salaries, and carry the fees to the Consolidated Fund account, and make a reduction of fees payable by the public. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said Go vernment had already acted on the principle to which the hon. member's question pointed. Some time ago a minute of Treasury was passed placing those officers on salaries, under the powers given by the act of Parliament, and re quiring that after receiving their salaries they should ac count for the balance of the fees to the public. But the the officers affected, or some of them, made objection to that measure, and made an appeal against it, which was still under consideration. EXPENSES OF THE BONDING OF GOODS. Mr. HADFIELD asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if his attention had been called to the loss sustained by the revenue in consequence of certain small ports and creeks where goods for bonding were not imported at all, and in other places to insignificant amounts and the duties collected were disproportionate to, and in some cases below the cost ; and whether he proposed to revise and correct the same. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said no one on reviewing the comparative charges and receipts of the different ports of the country could fail to be struck with the extreme disparity, but it would be amistake to estimate the charges of each of those ports exclusively by a reference to the amount of revenue received there, because there were many services to be carried on by the customs department, and there was the whole business of prevention of fraud and smuggling. These were utterly unproductive in them selves, but at the same time must be sustained, but after making due allowances on these grounds, he was sensible that this was a fit subject for the attention and considera tion of Government. He mentioned at an early period of the session that the Government were engaged in the con sideration of what steps should be taken to diminish these charges. He was afraid it was impossible to do anything in the present session. RELIGIOUS INSTRUCTION IN WORKHOUSES. Mr. KINNAIRD asked the President of the Poor-law Board whether a letter, dated 18th February, 1860, was not addressed by the Poor-law Board to the secretaries of the committee of guardians, in which it was stated that the Poor-law Board had notified that the document in question (i.e., Order of 23d August, 1859, relating to reli gious instruction in workhouses) was not compulsory upon the guardians in its provisions; and to what unions, and in what manner, and when, such notification that the order was not compulsory, was made. Mr. VILLIERS said the letter referred to by the hon. member was sent by the Poor-law Board to a gentleman of the name of Potter, signing himself honorary secretary to a committee of guardians, and the substance of that letter was made known to other parties who made application with regard to the order to which it referred. The letter had been subsequently inserted in the appendix to the last report of the board, which was in the hands of every mem ber, and a copy of which was sent to every board of guar dians in the country. ROMAN CATHOLIC SEAMEN IN THE ROYAL NAVY. Mr. BELLEW asked the Secretary of the Admiralty if there were any objection to carry into effectthe suggestions contained in paragraph No. 7 of the memorial presented to the late Government respecting the treatment of Catholic sailors in the royal navy. Lord C. PAGET said the paragraph alluded to was to the effect that the religion of every seaman should be stated as part of his description in the office of the Admiralty, and that every man should be obliged to subscribe his religion. The Admiralty did not think it desirable to adhere rigidly to that regulation. THE DISTURBANCES IN SYRIA. Sir J. FERGUSSON begged leave to ask a question of the noble lord the Secretary for Foreign Affairs of which he had not given him notice. He wished to ask him if he could inform the house whether her Majesty's Govern ment were in possession of any information affirmative of the reports which had appeared in the newspapers that troops had been placed on board French men-of -war with a view to their going to the coast of Syria; and secondly, whether he would state if her Majesty's Government in tended to join with the French Government in any active intervention on the coast of Syria. He asked also what was the nature of the papers which her Majesty's Govern ment had promised in the House of Lords should be pro duced, whether those papers would be despatches from her Majesty's representatives in the Levant, or merely a narra tive of events. He also wished to ask him whether he would produce copies or extracts of all despatches addressed byher Majesty's Consul-General at Beyrout to the Foreign-office in the years 1858, 1859, and 1860, which referred to past or apprehendeci disturbances in Syria. Lord J. RUSSELL said Government had no information that any troops had been placed on board French ships with a view to interference in Syria, but the French Government were in communication with the great Powers of Europe, and he believed with the Porte, with a view to consider whether intervention should not be made for the purpose of as3istizig in putting down the authors of those massacres in Syria, and that matter was at present under the consideration lof her Majesty's Government as well as of the French Go verrrnent. He did not believe there was any intention of the French Government to act alone in the affair. With I regard to any interference to take place on the part of her THE SUN, LONDON, SATURbAY 'EVENING; JULY 21, 1.860. Majesty's Government, it would not go beyond that which he had stated on a former occasion, namely, that ships of the line and other ships should be sent to the coast of Syria, with a view to prevent the renewal of those massacres ; if the admiral should think it necessary, he would be em powered to land marines on those coasts, but not to go be yond the coast. With regard to the papers to be produced, they were printed and nearly ready for production. They were only in fact narratives given by the British Consuls of what had taken place in Syria. He had no objection to produce copies of the despatches to which the hon. gentle man referred. THE SALMON FISHERY. Lord PROBY appeared at the bar with the following answer of her Majesty to the address of the House of Commons praying that a commission might be appointed on this sub ject—" I have received your address, praying that I will issue a commission of inquiry into the salmon fisheries of England and Wales, with a view of increasing the supply of a valuable article of food for the benefit of the public, and I have directed that a commission should be issued for the purpose which you have requested." SIR CHARLES WOOD AND MR. HORSMAN. Mr. LAING having moved that the house at its rising adjourn till Monday next, Sir C. WOOD rose and said he hoped he might be per mitted to avail himself of that opportunity to ask the atten tion of the house with reference to an attack made on him convenience of many thousands of the inhabitants of the metropolis, and the house would probably allow him shortly to direct their attention to the subject. He referred to the encroachment which, under the direction of the First Com missioner of Works, had been made upon the tranquillity and privacy of Kensington-gardens. (Hear.) Some few days since the inhabitants of that portion of the metropolis were very much surprised to find a road staked out in those gardens with a large number of iron hurdles. At first they thought it was the contemplated road between Tyburnia and Belgravia, so much desired for the accommodation of the public ; but it turned out that the right hon. gentle man had merely apportioned that strip of ground for the convenience of equestrians, male and female, more espe cially lawyers and doctors. (A laugh.). The right hon. gentleman said it would enliven the neighbourhood if they had an opportunity of seeing lawyers and doctors riding there for exercise ; and he added that those persons, when they did ride, were obliged, their time being limited, to ride as fast as they could. Now, if there was one thing calcu lated to make a man feel the reverse of lively, it was the sight of a lawyer on horseback. (A laugh.) Sedentary people, it had been observed, seldom had a good seat, and, to employ a legal phrase, he might say that a lawyer had never entered into a covenant for quiet enjoyment with the animal on whose backhe was mounted. (Laughter.) To such persons mischievous boys were in the habit of saying, " Don't you think, sir, you would be more comfortable if you were to get inside ?" (A laugh.) Equestlian lawyers, therefore, were the last persons in the world calculated to excite ad miration, which was one of the grounds mentioned by the right hon. gentleman for the formation of this new ride. As to doctors, he believed they very seldom rode, but he was guile sure that they would henceforth frequent this spot on the chance of the accidents which would certainly occur there. (Laughter.) •An important memorial against the road had already seen presented by the inhabitants, and a deputation had waited on the right hon. gentleman. Their remonstrance against the innovation was based on no vul gar feeling, as between pedestrians and equestrians, the lower orders and the upper ten thousand. The memorial was signed by 1,500 of some of the wealthiest inhabitants of the neighbourhood ; and the deputation was attended by mer chants and gentlemen of position, headed by the Recorder of London. They stated that they remonstrated on account of the threatened interference with the tranquillity of these gardens ; and as an instance, it was mentioned that the very day before two large dogs were noticed which were fol lowing some persons on horseback, and which having got through the hurdles, frightened almost into convulsions some of the small children who were there at the time. (Hear, hear.) The reply of the right hon. gentleman was, "I will take care it is put a stop to; and I will put a green man," was the right hon. gentleman's expression, " to see that no dogs shall be running about." It would be a very green man indeed who would attempt to interfere with a large St. Bernard, or a deer hound, which - might be follow ing his master at full speed up the ride. (Hear.) Another argument used by the right hon. gentleman was that per sons en foot like to see the riders. (Hear, hear.) But what was the answer of those who desired to retain the privacy of the gardens ? They said, " Let those who like to see the riders go to that part where thousands of persons with such tastes do go, Rotten-row." There they could see doctors, lawyers, and the more accomplished equestrian, who— " With one heel insidiously aside, " Provokes the caper he pretends to chide." But those who wanted to send their children to the gar dens in safety were not those who., wanted to see riders.. (Hear.), He had given notice that he should ask the right hon. gentleman whether her Majesty had given her sane ; tion to a ride being formed in Kensington-gardens, and as he was extremely unwilling to bring that illustrious name . unnecessarily into any subject of debate, he would state his 1 reason for putting the question. Those gardens had always , been considered as the property of the Crown, and they had always been devoted to the use of pedestrians. (Hear, hear.) As far back as 1705 they read of the fact that Sir I. Newton wandered there and died in the neighbourhood ; Crabbe wrote many of his poems there ; Mill, the Indianhistorian, availed himself of their privacy ; her Majesty drew her first breath in Kensington Palace; she there held her first council, which had been described in the gorgeous language of the author of " Sybil." (Hear.) No monarch had ever been more solicitous for the comfort and convenience of her subjects than her gracious Majesty; but he thought the right hon. gentleman was bound to state to the house whe ther before taking any step he had obtained the sanction of the Sovereign. The noble lord the member for Middlesex, in introducing a deputation, put a question to the right hon gentleman, who gave an answer that was perfectly astonishing. The noble lord asked whether the right hon. gentleman had received any applications from anybody be fore he made this encroachment, and the answer was there had been no applications. (Hear.) Then at whose sugges tion bad it been done? (Hear.) Applications for similar encroachments had been made to former Commissioners of Works, and they had uniformly refused them. In 1851, a ride was made for equestrians out of Kensington-gardens, but that was only . because a large portion of the space which had been long appropriated to equestrians was occupied by the Exhibition building. Upon that occasion a great move ment took place, and a deputation waited upon Lord Sey mour, who gave a pledge that when the Crystal Palace was removed the new ride should be discontinued. In the present instance he thought the public had some right to complain that the right hon. gentleman, from some motives of am bition, perhaps that he might do something in his aadile ship which former First Commissioners had not ven tured to do, that was, take away from pedestrians a large portion of Kensington-gardens, upon the plea that eques trians had not already a sufficient space for exercise. (Hear, hear.) A more fallacious plea could not be urged. At present an equestrian could start from the bottom of Great George-street, along Birdcage-walk, up Constitution-hill, gallop up and down Rotten-row as much as he pleased, and then could make the circuit of the park, which would afford an amount of exercise amply sufficient for any doctor or lawyer, or more than most of them could endure. The right hon. gentleman had done an act which was much to be re gretted, and which it was to be hoped upon reconsideration he would undo. It was unpleasant to suggest anything that could wound the amour propre of any official, but the right hon. gentleman had so many brilliant examples among his colleagues in the Government, of how easy it was to withdraw measures, that he might now feel inclined to withdraw the iron hurdles in Kensington .gardens. (Hear.) He hoped the right hon. gentleman would seriously recon sider the question, and having had the discomfort and in convenience which his plan would create explained to him, would not persist in a scheme which was so objectionable. (Hear.) The hon. and learned gentleman concluded by asking whether the First Commissioner of Works had ob tained the sanction of the Crown to take a portion of Ken sington-gardens before setting out the road for equestrians, which had been done under his direction. Mr. HUBBARD said he should have imagined, from the energy displayed by the hon. and learned member, that the subject he brought under the notice of the house was some grave constitutional question, instead of an attack upon an arrangement which duringthe last 10 dayshad been a source of enjoyment to himself (Mr. Hubbard), and his family. (Hear, hear.) He had inquired of the police and park-. keepers, who ridiculed the idea of danger to any one from the ride being made there, and stated that not a single child had been run over. (" Hear, hear," and a laugh.) The only difficulty that was created was, he was told, that some of the ladies' crinolines would not pass through the openings between the hurdles. The police and keepers also told him that before the rails were put up they never saw any persons crossing in that direction. It was a great convenience for equestrians, but he could not support it if he believed that it would cause any inconvenience or danger to pedestrians. Lord ENFIELD, with all due respect to the hon. mem ber who spoke last, did not think that the "green men" were the best judges upon this question. (Hear.) There was not the slightest wish to encroach upon that portion of the park which had for very many years been enjoyed by equestrians, but those whom he represented thought the rights of pedestrians should be equally sacred. (Hear.) The deputation that waited upon the right hon. gentleman the day before was composed of most respectable gentlemen who lived in the neighbourhood, some for many years. It was not a cry against the "upper ten thousand," but it was a question whether the inhabitants of that most respectable neighbourhood, who had for years enjoyed the comfort, the safety, and the privacy of Kensington-gardens, were now to be deprived of that enjoyment. The right hon. gentle last night in his absence. (Hear, and cries of " Speak out.") He was quite sure that the house would not refuse him that indulgence. He had learned, partly from what he had heard when he came into the house and partly from what he had seen that morning that the right hon. gentle man the member for Stroud (Mr. Horsman) came down to the house with papers in his pocket, and certainly made upon him a most bitter and personal attack. (Hear.) He thought the right hon. gentleman might have given notice that he meant to make that attack. (Hear.) He did not think he could have obtained it from the right hon. gentle man's courtesy, but he thought he might have claimed, from that sense of justice and fair dealing which distin guished every gentleman and every Englishman, that he would have told him the nature of the intended attack, in order that he might have been present to hear it. He should not refer further to that part of the conduct of the right hon. gentleman. The house would judge how far it was fitting that the right hon. gentleman should have taken such a course. He mentioned it only to this extent, that it might be his apology for thus obtruding himself on the house. The right hon. gentleman referred again to a charge which he made against him some time back of sup pressing papers and wilfully keeping them back from the house. He conceived that he had on a former occasion shown how groundless that statement was. In the course of the debate on the second reading of the bill for the amalgamation of the Indian forces, the right hon. gentle man quoted a telegram from Lord Clyde, dated November, 1858. So little was he aware of what the right hon. gentle man was referring to, that he mentioned to his hon. friend the member for Falmouth (Mr. T. G. Baring) that he thought it was a mistake, and that it must be a misprint for 1859. The right hon. gentleman said it was not so, and sug gested that it was from a paper which he (Sir C. Wood) had suppressed. Now the papers in question were moved for by his hon. friend the member for Perth (Mr. Kin naird), who moved for them without the slightest reference to the amalgamation of the two armies. He asked him to wards the close of last session whether he had any objec tion to produce those papers. He objected to the produc tion of them at the time, because the inquiry was not com pleted. He had not seen the papers, and it seemed to him under those circumstances improper to produce them. At She beginning of this session the hon. gentleman renewed the request. He at once acceded to it, and they were granted as an unopposed return. Now he might fairly say, and he did not think he was wrong in saying, that his personal duty was concluded at that time. He could not hold him self responsible, and he did not think the house would re gard him as responsible, for correcting the proofs or super intending the details of the work which was done in the office. He knew nothing of the progress of the papers, either in the printing or the correcting. It was not till he inquired the next day that he discovered how the mat ter stood. He understood that a communication had passed between the printer and the secretary of the military de partment of which he was personally ignorant. The right hon. gentleman stated that the delay had been brought to his (Sir C. Wood's) knowledge three days before, and that with that knowledge he stated his ignorance. His hon. friend the member for Falmouth (Mr. T. G. Baring) stated last night quite truly that he (Sir C. Wood) had no know ledge whatever of the matter, and he could only repeat his utter denial of any knowledge of the kind. He had found since that there was certainly a delay in the clerk's de partment of the military secretary in the India House. He sent fur some extra copies of that paper, and they were placed in the hauls of some of the members of the military committee of his council, but neither his hon. friend nor himself saw those papers. He knew •not, and cared not to know, how the right hon. gentleman obtained his information of the contents of those papers ; but he was quite certain that the members of his council, as men of honour, never would have said or insinuated that which hey knew to be untrue, that he had wilfully kept back or suppressed papers. He now came to another charge which the right hon. gentleman had embellished in the same sort of manner. The right hon. , gentlernan stated that he had moved for some papers on the 28th June. That statement was incorrect; for it was on that evening that the notice of motion appeared on the paper. (Mr. Horsman— " Hear.") It was a notice of a motion for three papers— the first being a correspondence which had taken place before his (Sir C. Wood's) time, namely, in 1848, between the Secretary for War and the Secretary for India. The second was for an opinion of the law officers of the Crown ; and the third was for some despatches. It happened that the 28th was the day for holding his council, and it was also that appointed for the second reading of his bill on the subject of the European forces. The house would, therefore, see that it was a very busy one for him, and it was not in fact till he came down to the house, and . took up the paper that he saw the notice. Now the first no tice referred to papers which must have been both in the department of his right hon. friend the Secretary for War as well as in the department of the Secretary for India; and he had .therefore asked his right ton. friend who was sitting near him—the hon. mem- ber for Falmouth being in fact between them—if his atten • tion had been called to the notice, and if he knew anything of the papers. The right hon. gentleman (Mr. S. Her bert) said in reply that the papers were not in exist ence. In the course of the evening the right hon. gentle man (Mr. Horsman) came to the Treasury bench, and sitting down on the other side of his honourable friend, the member for Falmouth (Mr. T. G. Baring), he asked if there was any objection to produce the papers. He (Sir C. Wood) replied that the Secretary of War had told him that the first named papers were not in existence; that as re garded the second, he (Mr. Horsman) must know that it had never been the practice to produce opinions of the law officers; and that as regarded the third (which was the only one which belonged exclusively to the department of India), he might have them as an unopposed return. That was the whole that happened. Yesterday the right hon. gentleman made the following statement :—" On the 28th Jane, he (Mr. Horsman) placed a notice on the paper cal ling for that correspondence. The right hon baronet told him it did not exist. He (Mr. Horsman) replied that it did exist, and that it was in his own office. Assertion and denial were made over and over again. At last he (Mr. Horsman) obtained the dates of the correspondence, and it proved that the correspondence was in the right hon. baro net's own office." Now he (Sir C. Wood) begged to tell the house that that was a totally imaginary conversation ; for nothing of the kind had occurred. He did not, and he could not, have said that which had been attributed to him by the right hon. gentleman. He had not made any in quiry in his office on the subject, and therefore it was im possible for him to have denied the existence of the corre spondence. Fortunately, he had a witness, for his hon. friend (Mr. Baring) was present, and he would, if neces sary, confirm his (Sir C. Wood's) assertion of what took place. After that occasion he never heard a syllable from the right hon. gentleman (Mr. Horsman) until he received the letter which the right hon. gentleman read to the house last night. The right hon. baronet went on to state in de tail Mr. Horsman's statements, and gave them all in the main an emphatic denial. In reference to the relations be tween himself and the Indian Council, he stated that they had been entirely satisfactory, except his difference with " them on the subject of the Indian army. Mr. HORSMAN, in regard to the charge that he at tacked Sir C. Wood in his absence, inquired why he left the house just before he (Mr. Horsman) rose to address the house, which he did without expecting to have been able to do so, looking to the business before the house, of the change in which Sir C. Wood was aware ; and as supply was the next order, he ought to have expected questions to be put to him. It was because he (Mr. Horsman) heard that the Indian Army Bill would be brought in on the following evening that he read the correspondence in ques tion. He accused Sir C. Wood of concealing from his col leagues in the Cabinet, when , they were discussing what bills were to be thrown over, that his India Bills would be strongly opposed, and also of doing his best to push the Indian Army Bill before the papers essential to its consi deration could be in the hands of members. Sir C. WOOD said he left the house because he had been sent for by Sir Richard Airey, who wanted to s p ea k to hi m. Lord PALMERSTON said ho never heard a more lam e excuse for the most discourteous course of conduct ho ever remembered in that house, and he hoped that Mr. Harman was the only man in the house who could have pursued such a course. Having in his head and pocket the materials for an unhandsome attack, any man of feeling or delicacy would have ascertained if the person to be attacked was in the house; and if he did not give him notice at least have mentioned that be was about to make the attack. That was the usual course of courtesy between members of that house. After a few words of explanation from Mr. HORSMAN, the subject dropped. KENSINGTON GARDENS. Mr. JAMES wished to divert the house to more harmo nious topics. (A laugh.) Hon. members would probably not be sorry to stop a discussion of a most unfortunate cha racter, and which he thought was not calculated to increase the public respect for this house. (Hear, hear.) He had given notice of a question which involved the comfort and man had shown in many metropolitan improvements so much desire to meet the wishes of the public, that it was to be hoped he would reconsider his decision on the present occasion, and not persist in a scheme which no one appeared to have asked for. If the right hon. gentleman could show that representations had been made to him that the safety and convenience of equestrians demanded the formation of of a new ride, he (Lord Enfield), although he might deplore the conclusion arrived at, would not say anything against it, but if no such representations had been made, he hoped the right hon. gentleman would reconsider the matter, and, frankly admitting that he had committed an error of judg ment, would in a short time restore Kensington -gardens to the same condition in which they were a few weeks since. (Hear, hear, and no.) .. ..:r learned gentleman talks of the privacy of the gardens, and certainly there is privacy, for when I have been there I havescarcely seen any one. (A laugh.) But, practically the result of this innovation is that where there was one pedes trian before you will now find 10 drawn thither to enjoy the increased liveliness of the gardens caused by this ride. (Hear.) I think it is a most rational and acceptable addi tion to the enjoyment of that portion cf the public who take horse exercise, without detracting one iota from pedestrians —(hear)---and I earnestly hope that the right hon. gentle man will not be deterred by what appears a most unreason able outcry from allowing those who take exercise on horse back to continue it. (Hear.) Col. DICKSON did not think this subject worthy the consideration of the house. It had originated with a few locally interested parties, who forgot that the First Com missioner of Woods and Forests possessed his authority not for the benefit of any particular section of the inhabitants of the metropolis alone, but for those also from distant parts of the country who were obliged to spend a certain number of months every year in London. He wished to impress on the right hon. gentleman that he was acting for the benefit of the whole community, and in the height of the London season this ride was the only place where equestrians could take exercise. There was not sufficient room anywhere else, for equestrians had now increased three or fourfold within the last six or seven years. Mr. COWPER Lad no hesitation in saying he had not made this opening in Kensington-gardens in consequence of anyrepresentations that were made to him byany person what• ever ; and he therefore took on himself the responsibility of originating it. How it originated was thus :—He thought in the management of the parks intrusted to him it was his duty to follow the maxim of seeking the greatest happiness of the greatest number—(hear)—and observing the great number of persons who took enjoyment on week days in Hyde-park, sitting in chairs, watching the horses in Rot ten-row, while others who were in carriages appeared also to be exceedingly amused in the s ame way, it occurred to him that the best mode of promoting their enjoyment and recrea tion he could take at either end of Rotten-row would be to give similar facilities for conjunctions of ciders and walkers in some of those very beautiful portions of that magnificent area of Kensington-gardens, which were very little fre quented, and to a very small extent subserved the recrea tion and amusement of the public. Oa a careful examina tion of the gardens it appeared to him that if riders when they reached the end of Rotten-row were enabled to pass through one of those angles, which confessedly were not much frequented, although near the great broad walk, he should enable a larger number of persons to receive en joyment and recreation from the western end of Kensing ton-gardens than anywhere else. Then by carrying the ride along the northern end of the Kensington-gardens in a place which was not the least used, I e would enable persons who lived on the northern side of Kensington-gardens and Bayswater to have the very great advantage of a commu nication north and south. Lie fixed the hurdles in a tem porary manner, he made no new gates, he incurred no ex pense. What had been done was manifestly in its nature temporary. This ride could only be open during the summer months. As it now stands it would hardly be safe for horses in winter. Well, when the time came for closing the ride at the end of the season he thought he should be able to ascer tain what was really the preponderance of public opinion on the subject—(hear, hear)—and that would be a guide as to whether in future the person who occupied the office he now filled should think it right again to give the public the ad vantage and enjoyment of that ride in summer. (Hear, hear.) Now, as far as he had been able to observe, he thought the preponderance, certainly of reason, was very much in favour of the ride. (Hear, hear.) The argument against it was that it interfered with the quiet and retire ment of persons who had hitherto frequented that portion of the gardens. He could only say that if some few solitary persons who desired to be alone were prevented from pursuing their quiet meditations in that particular avenue, on account of the admittance of horses, there was ample space in the 300 acres of Kensington-gardens where they could still find themselves perfectly alone, so far as any horses could interfere with their quiet and retirement ; but he thought it very doubtful whether the passage of persons on horseback did so materially interfere with the quiet of the gardens. He felt strongly that there ought to be great objection and opposition to bringing the traffic of the town through such a place as Kensington gardens. (Hear, hear.) He certainly should not desire to see any portion of Kensington-gardens or Hyde Park, in its present condition, used for business purposes. (Hear, hear.) He thought the uses of the park were mainly for the enjoyment and recreation of the public, and such should be the primary object ; but the opposition that was mainly made in regard to the privacy and quiet of the gardens pro ceeded from the inhabitants living in the immediate neigh bourhood of the western end of Kensington-gardens ; it was from them he had what he thought a strange remonstrance. They spoke of this ride as an invasion of their tights. They were not content to regard it as a simple affair of public convenience end enjoyment; there were persons who were trying to swell the matter into a great social and political question. But when he asked what rights had been in vaded, it was difficult to get any very precise answer.. The residents in Notting-hill and Kensington assumed that they had some privileged rights of excluding other persons from the gardens ; and any desire to exclude all but pedestrians practically excluded as frequenters of Kensington-gardens all but those who lived in the neighbourhood. The exclu sion of all but pedestrians, excluded the general public. Now, he asked by what right did they seek to exclude those who took exercise on horseback ? The grounds were maintained by grants from the public money. The inhabitants of Ken sington had no more right to them, either by payment or in any other way, than any other portion of the public. The soil was In the Queen, and the money spent in maintaining them was public money. It was difficult, therefore, to make out that by admitting the general public on horseback there could be an invasion of anybody's rights. (Hear.) He was told there had been three indignation meetings, at which it was insisted that this was a great invasion of the liberty of the subject. There were, as they all knew, in most parishes politicians and orators, whose desire was to obtain vestry honours, and they were always on the outlook for some grievance against the bloated, pampered, heartless aristocracy. (Hear, and a laugh.) Now, he did not know that when a man was 7 ich enough to have a horse he nece sarily became a bit less regardful of the wants of the poor (hear, bear)—and to endeavour to raise class against class in connexion with this affair was manifestly preposterous. All classes were interested in it alike. We read in ancient history of an equestrian order being opposed to the plebian ( order; but happily in England any person with 10s. in his pocket and a little leisure might belong to the equestrian order and enjoy this ride. (Hear, hear.) The opposition, suck as it was, was between the riders and the walkers, but he entirely denied that there was any real antagonism be t fveen them. He maintained that they mutually promoted and assisted each other's amusement. Since riders had been admitted to Kensington-gardens a large number of persons had gone there to look at them. It was urged that this was a matter of exclusion, but surely that exclu sion would be on the part of those who would refuse ad mission to the riders. (Hear, hear.) These gro . unds ought to be open to the enjoyment of the public in the best and most agreeable way ; and the burden of proof lay with those who wished to exclude the riding public. Again, it was was said the picturesque character of the gardens was in jured ; but he appealed to any judge of picturesque effect 1 whether, on the contrary, the presence of equestrians did not add considerably to the beauty of the scene. But the objection that was most pressed was the dan ger occasioned to children, nursery-maids, and ladies on foot. He would be the last person to wish to gratify the riders if there were any ground for this apprehen sion, but the danger seemed to be rather imaginary, inas much as the children and nurses who were to be exposed to the risk of crossing this ride had at present to cross the omnibus and carriage roads before they could enter the gar dens. Rotten-row was crossed by thousands of children daily in passing from Belgravia to Hyde-park, and yet as far as he knew not a single accident had occurred in Rotten .row. If, however, the residents in the neighbourhood really be lieved in the existence of this danger, it might easily be ob viated by erecting some light bridge by which children might cross the space devoted to riders. (Oh 1) He would rather like to see such a bridge, because he knew that no child or nurse would ever go over it, and it would stand as a monu ment o f the visionary character of these apprehensions. There had been a memorial against this ride signed by 1,500 per- sons, and he expected to receive a memorial, numerously signed, in its favour. He knew from casual intercourse and other means of information that large numbers of people who went into the gardens on foot were very thankful to have a dull portion of the grounds converted into an amusing scene, and he had heard persons say they used to take the trouble of going a mile and a half to see the riders, whereas they now had been brought close to them. (A. laugh.) It could not be denied that Englishmen and Englishwomen took pleasure in seeing equestrians, even though they did not ride them selves, and when the hon. and learned gentleman disclaimed any desire on the part of the legal profession to share in this exercise, he, was only sorry that that profession should have so degenerated. (A. laugh.) The judges and the bar also used to ride on circuit as well as to Westminster-hall, and Sir J. PAK INGTON, having visited the spot to ascertain he knew that when the Lord Chancellor, the Lord Chief Justice, 'and other dignitaries of the bench in ou r d ay made what grounds there were for complaint, w as b oun d t o say that he believed there was no reas o n a bl e f oun d a ti on f or their appearance on horseback in Rotten-r ow , th o i r eques. objection—(hear)--and, in fact, he felt e x t reme l y o bli ge d trianism did no discredit to the professi on o f which to the right hon. gentleman. Th e no bl e l or d as k e d w h ether they were distinguished ornaments, (H ear, and a the ride had been made i n consequence o f any pet i t i ons for laugh.) He bad spoken of the l awyer and the medical it. But however th a t m i g ht b e, h e was qu i te sure that man only as types of that l arge b ody of hardworking numerously-signed petition s cou ld b e soon o b ta i ne d aga ' nst m on whose health and gen era l we lf are were of the utmost the remov a l o f th e r id e . (H ear , ) Looking dispassionately i m portance to the com mun i ty, and who were obliged to take their horse elercise either early i n t h e morning or late at the arran gemen t s th a t h a d b een made, he was bound to say they were suc h as to leave not the slightest ground of at night in Hyde P ar k. H e did not allude only to mem hers of that house, but to' the mercantile and professi ona l reasonable compl a i n t. Th ere was no obstruction, for every classes of the metropolis generally ; and if they cou ld . h ave 20 yards th ere were open i ngs in the hurdl e s, through which persons could pass, and to say that the number of horses the pleasure of seeing the beauty of Kensington-gardens, that would be found there would cause any obstruction was without injury to apy other class, he thought it was his pure nonsense. The hon. and learned gentleman tells us duty, if passible, to extend to them that advantage. that in 1851 Kensington -gardens were opened temporarily THE PAPER DITTIES. for equestrians, but the arra ngemen t then was totally dif- Mr. PULLER said it might have escaped the attention of ferent. The ride then was across the very centre of the hon, members that the notice which for some time past had gardens—(hear) —and wh en h e s p ea ks of the large space been standing on the paper on this subject had yesterd a y taken away from pedeatri an2, I b eg to say , as th e resu lt o f b een altered by the Chancellor of the Exchequer so as to m y o! nervation, th a t no space at all has been taken from propose a diminution of the Customs' duty on paper after them. The ride, such as it is, is very narrow ; it is round the 16th of August, instead of their total abolition. For th e external margin of the gardens,, and there still remains some years past the Customs' duty cn4a,per had been 2id per a very large space entirely unencroached upon for those lb., the object of its imposition . bni -:-,-Pg IP) CoMpensate the home who frequbnt the § 11 09?Is cm: foot. cgep,r4 The hon, and manufacturer for the 1 70 . T 944 I'PY 'of 1 1 d, per lb, au a th, k • •• additional 5 per cent. to which he was liable, as also for the expense to which he was put by the Excise regulations, and for the disadvantage under which he laboured through the restrictions placed by other countries on the export of rags. In 1853 the Chancellor of the Exchequer contemplated an equalisation between the Customs' duty and the Excise ; but the paper manufacturers of this country complained that they would be exposed to an unfair competition if such a measure were adopted. When the Chancellor of the Ex chequer this year proposed the total abolition of both the Excise and Customs' duties on paper, our manufacturers were again thrown into consternation. The Foreign Secre tary intimated that the Government would use their best endeavours to induce other States to repeal or modify their restrictions on the exportation of the raw material, and the house was glad to hear the announcement that the French Government had consented to substitute for their previous system of prohibition a small export duty on rags. The home manufacturers thought, when the House of Lords rejected the bill for the repeal of the Excise duty, that the proposal to deal with the Customs' duty on paper would be abandoned by the Chancellor of the Exchequer. But they they had now been undeceived, because the right hon. gen tleman had given notice of a motion to reduce the Customs' duty to such an amount as would exactly compensate for the Excise duty, and for the expense occasioned by the Excise regulations, but leaving no protection to the English manu facturer for the existing restrictions on the export of the raw material from ether countries. Under these circumstances he begged to ask the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs whether her Majesty's Government had succeeded in obtain ing from any of the Continental Governments the abolition or modification of the taxes or restrictions imposed by them on the export of rags ; whether it was true the French Go vernment had abandoned its project of substituting a duty on the export of rags for the prohibition which now exists ; and, whether any communication had been received from the French Government, claiming that, under the recent treaty of commerce, the Customs' duty on French paper imported into this country be diminished. Lord J. RUSSELL—I undertook to represent to foreign GoVernments that it would be the desire of her Majesty's Government that some change should be made with regard to the export of rags, that where there was a prohibition it should be abolished, and that where there was an export duty that duty should be reduced. I am sorry to say that those representations have not been successful ; that, although some of the Governments promised to consider the matter, no efficient steps have been taken for that pur pose, and that many Governments replied that the paper manufacturers objected to any diminution of duty or re moval of prohibition. That is the answer which we have re ceived from Austria and from other Powers. With regard to the second question of the hon. gentleman, I stated some time ago that the French Government proposed to change their system of prohibition into one of duty, and accord ingly they submitted to the legislative body a project for such an alteration. We have no official information upon the subject, but we understand that great opposition was made to that project, and there are great doubts whether it will be carried. It, therefore, does not appear at all certain that the French Government will persist in the proposition. ' With reference to the last question, I imagine that, the treaty of commerce having been sanctioned by Parliament, the French Government will expect that our obligations in that respect should bo fulfilled. They have made no com munication upon the subject, but I imagine that they con sider that, as a matter of course, we shall comply with the obligations of the treaty. (Hear, hear.) KENSINGTON GARDENS. Sir J. V. SHELLEY said that the right hon, gentleman the First Commissioner of Works had no right to say that those who had made representations to him upon the sub ject of the new ride in Kensington Gardens were actuated by a desire for vestry renown. The deputation which waited upon the right hon. gentleman was headed by the Recorder of the City of London ; and the time for the sig nature of the memorial had been limited in order to antici pate, and, if possible, prevent any agitation out of doors. Ile believed that the right hon. gentleman had made this alteration under the impression that it would excite no opposition ; but, as it would undoubtedly do so, he trusted that his right hon. friend would at once reconsider the de cision at which he had arrived. Of all the miserable places which he ever saw this ride, which was now a swamp, and in dry weather became so hard that no one could ride upon it, was the worst. It was altogether a mistake, and the sooner things were restored to their original condition the better. (Hear, hear.) PRINTING OF THE BIBLE. Mr. BAINES inquired whether it was the intention of the Government to take any measure to carry out the re commendation of the select committee on the Queen's prin ters' patent, namely, "that the patent of the Queen's prin ters, as far as relates to the printing of Bibles and New Testaments, be not renewed, and that no exclusive privilege of printing the sacred volume be allowed henceforth to exist." Sir G. C. LEWIS said that the exclusive privilege here tofore enjoyed by the Queen's printers, for the printing of Bibles and Prayer books, had now ceased, and would not be renewed. He thought, however, that under the compe tition with the university printers the price of the existing editions of the Bible and the Liturgy was as low, and the quality as good, as it was possible to expect. He proposed, therefore, to make no practical change in the present sys tem. ORANGE FLAGS IN IRELAND. Mr. COGAN called attention to the late Orange distur bances in Ireland, and invoked Ministerial interposition to put down the societies and illegal associations which pro duced so much public perturbation, and, by acting upon the magisterial bench and the jury panels, actually polluted the source of justice in the country. Mr. CARDWELL said that the attention of the Go vernment had already been directed to the late disturbances, and intimated his intention to bring in a short bill during the present session, in order to arm the Executive with powers they did not at present possess. THE NATIONAL DEFENCES. Lord PALMERSTON—I rise to give notice of what we propose to do on Monday with respect to the question of fortifications. (Hear, hear.) lam informed that, accord ing to the rules of the house, it is necessary that we should come to a preliminary resolution this evening. I, there fore, propose that " the hotise will on Monday resolve it self into a committee of the whole house for the purpose of making provision out of the consolidated fund of the United Kingdom for the expenses of certain fortifications and works." I shall have to move a resolution in committee on Monday, on which occasion I shall state in detail the plans we have in view. On Tuesday morning we propose to take the Poor Law Board Continuance Bill, and I hope those who apply their minds to the study of Indian papers will be prepared to discuss the Indian Army Bill on Thurs day. The subject of fortifications will be taken first on Monday. Colonel FRENCH hoped the noble lord would state on Monday what measures he proposed to abandon. The resolution was agreed to. MAYNOOTH COLLEGE. Mr. CARD WELL moved the second reading of the May nooth College Bill. The purpose of the measure was to enable the trustees of the college to appropriate some portion of the annual grant from Parliament to the repair of th e building. Mr. SPOONER moved, as an amendment, that the se cond reading of the bill should be postponed for three months. He opposed the bill on the ground that the doc trines inculcated at Maynooth were contrary to the teach ing of Holy Scriptures and subversive to the Protestant Establishment in the country. The amendment was seconded by Sir W. VERNER. Mr. WHALLEY opposed the bill, which was supported by Mr. I. BUTT. Mr. NEWDEGATE maintained that the doctrine taught at Maynooth was not only Romanist but Ultramontane. The bill, he declared, amounted to a perpetuation of the Maynooth grant. On a division there appeared— For the second reading For the amendment .. 57 Majority —7S This bill was then read a second time. SUPPLY. Sir C. NAPIER opposed t1;;ote of £12,000 for retiring allowances for officers of the navy, as insufficient, and as not being satisfactory to any of the parties for whom it was in tended. • Admiral WALCOTT did not approve of the proposed arrangement, although he believed it had been introduced by the noble lord with the best intentions. The question was then put and agreed to, Sir C. Napier, to the great amusement of the house; calling out with some emphasis, " The ayes have it." INDUSTRIAL MUSEUM (SCOTLAND) BILL. This bill passed through committee, was read a third ime, and passed. MILITIA BILL. On the order for going into committee on this bill, Colonel GILPIN said he thought the cost of the work ing of this bill ought to be borne by the Consolidated Fund and not by the counties. He thought, also, that 28 days' drill was not sufficient, if their object were to obtain an effective army of reserve. Sir J. FERGUSSON thought that as the country was going to spend £500,000 for the militia this year, it would be just as well to spend a little more and have it a more effective service. After some further discussion the house went into com mittee on the bill, when the chairman was immediately ordered to report progress. The house then resumed, and the Chairman obtained leave to sit again. SPIRIT DUTIES BILL. This bill wasre;Fase;;dtfraa on the motion of the CHANCELLOR of the' EXCHEQUER, and ordered to i be committed on Monday. CENSUS (SCOTLAKD) BILL. This bill was read a second time. • EXCISE DUTIES BILL. This bill was read a second time. PRISONS (SCOTLAND) BILL This bill was read a third time 9nd passed. iHERRING FISHERIES (SCOTLAND) BILL. This bill was read a third time and passed. RAILWAYS ACT (itELAND) (1851) AMENDMENT BILL. , Ilsis bill was read a third time a n d p asse d . a• - SHERIFF COURT-HOUSES (SCOTLAND) BILL This bill passed through committee. GAME CERTIFICATES, &c, BILL. This bill as amended was considered, and ordered to be read a third time on Monday. ANCHORS AND CHAIN CABLES BILL. This bill was read a second time. HIGHWAYS (SOUTH WALES) BILL. This bill was read a third time and passed. METROPOLIS LOCAL MANAGEMENT ACT AMENDMENT (No. 2) BILL. On the order for the third reading of this bill, Mr. CLAY moved that it be read a third time on that day three months. Mr. NE WDEGATE moved that the house adjourn. The house immediately divided on the last question, and [he numl ers were— For the adjournment .. 22 Against it Majority —3O The adjournment of the debate being now moved, Sir J, SHELLEY consented to postpone the bill till Tuesday. MANCHESTER CATHEDRAL CHURCH BILL. This bill passed through committee. PROFESSIONAL OATHS ABOLITION BILL. The house went into committee on this bill. Mr. NE WDEGATE moved that the chairman report progress, which was agreed to, and the house resumed. LANDED PROPERTY IMPROVEMENT (IRE LAND) BILL. This bill passed through committee. CORRUPT PRACTICES PREVENTION ACT (1854) BILL. Sir G. LE WIS obtained leave to bring in a bill to con tinue this act, which was read a first time. Lord C. PAGET obtained leave to bring in a bill to enable the metropolitan policeforce to serve in her Majesty's dockyards. The house adjourned at half-past two o'clock. COUNTRY MARK ETS. LIVERPOOL—JULY 20. We have some good buyers of wheat from the interior this morning, and a considerable quantity of American has been cleared ex quay at the full rates of this day se'nnight. Flour also has recovered any decline which may have been submitted to on Tuesday, but not so ready a sala as wheat. American corn is offered sparingly. Oats and oatmeal bring full prices in retail. Beans the turn dearer. - Yeas and barley maintain fully previous quotations. The market on the whole was firm throughout. WAKEFIELD-JULY 20. The supplies being short, fresh red wheat sold at Is to 2s per qr. dearer, and other sorts is higher, but business was dull. In other articles no change worthy of note. Averages for the week : Wheat . 2,955 qrs., at 56s lld Peas ... 70 — 39 s llid Beans 8ar1ey......... 60 3ss lid Oats — —s Oil Rye — —s Od EXETER—JuLY 20. Business was dull in the corn market to-day, and quo— tations were rather lower. Wheat, white.. 7s 9d to 8s Od I Barley.. 4s 4d to 4s Oct Ditto red 7s 3d to 7s 6d Oats 3s 6d to 3s 101 Flour, fine, 43s to 4s; seconds, 41s to 42s per sack. CATTLE. There was a slack attendance and a meagre supply of stock. Prices unaltered except for fat lambs which brought Id per lb more. Fat beef,p score, 12s0d to 13s Ewes, per lb .... 61d to 01 Pork carcases,do Ils to 12s 0d Wethers, d 0...... 7d to Od Sheep, per lb. 7d to 71d Fat calves, d 0.... 6id to 7a Rough fat, 41d per lb. BRISTOL SUGAR-JULY 20. We have had a very brisk demand for all descriptions of raw sugar during the last fortnight, and a further advance of 6d to is per cwt. has been established. The sales com prise 2,000 hhds West India, 4,000 mats crystallised Mau ritius, 1,000 casks Cuba Muscovadoes, and 11,000 boxes of yellow Havannah. Refiners' produce has been in excellent demand. Rum c mtinues quiet—Demeraras, is lld per proof gallon. The sugar market closed firm. - RAILTY AY INT ALLIGENCE: TRAFFIC RETURNS FOR THE WEEK. Miles Op ened Receipts. Railways. ,_____......____, 1800. 1859. 1860. 1859. --- £ £ r Belfast and N. Counties.... 65 65 1,436 1,304 . Belfast and County Down.. 20 20 770 590 llirkd., Lane., & Ches. June V 32 3,124 3,250 • Myth and Tyne 2O 20 1,431 1,710 Bristol and Exeter 125 125 7,402 7,304 Caledonian H Ches.&olyhead(withMold) 94 94 _ - 81 Cockermoutlt& Workington 8. 303 234 Cork and Bandon 2O 20 318 315 Cork, Blackrock, & Passage 6l 64 327 335 Cornwall 531 531 1,288 1,143 Deeside l7 17 378 363 Dublin & Belfast Junction 63 63 1,418 1,402 Dublin and Drogheda 63 63 1,042 2,066 Dub. & Wicklow (in. Kingst ) 404 401 3,036 2,581 Dundalk and Enniskillen Dundee and Arbroath l7l 171 729 630 Dundee, Perth, & Aber. Jun 3l 31 1,202 1,154 East Anglian 674 671 872 948 E.Counties,Nrfk.,&E.Union 499 489 27,381 27,866 East Kent 19.1 - - - E.Lancasnire(in.Bls.ekburn) 111 105 - - Edinburgh and Glasgow 142 142 6,115 5,715- Edinburgh, Perth,& Dundee 78 78 3,546 3,217 Forth & Clyde Junction Furness Glasgow & South-Western 1831 1831 9,018 7,914 Great Northern 283 283 25,125 23,255 Great North of Scotland qt.Southn. & Westn.(lrind ) 329 220 8,903 7,690 Great Western 466 466 35,877 38,591 Hull and Hoklerness - - invert - less & Aberdeen June 55 55 936 907 Irish South-Eastern 251 251 276 278 Killarney Junction - -_ Lancaster and Carlisle (in Kendal and Windermere) 100; 100 - - Lane. & Yrks.(in.Blackburn) 395, 1 395 43,743 33,250 Limerick and Foynes 264 26 224 229 Llanelly 46! 4 703 560 London & North-Western London and Blackwall 5l 51 1,982 1,887 London & South-Western Lond. Brighton, &S. Coast 2231 2021 19,859 17,836. L'derry and Enniskillen - Lond., Tilbury, & Southend 421 40 2,352' 2.496 Man.,Sheffield, & Lincolnsh 1734 1734 12,022 11,013 Manch. S.Jun.&Altrincham 91 91 1,156 1,044 Maryport and Carlisle Midland Midland Gt.Westn. of Irind 177 177 3,764 4,166 Monkland - - Monmouthsh. Rail. & Canal 44 44 2,344 2,236 Newcastle and Carlisle 7B 78 3,696 3,721 Newport,Aberg.,& Herefor 5O 50 - - North British (in. Dalkeith) 154 144 6,931 6,876 North Devon 35 35 551 548 North-Eastern 761 764 38,566 37,333 North London 9 9 2,873 2,887 North Staffordshire 233 233 8,468 5,262 North-Western 464 464 - - N. Yorkshire and Cleveland 10 4 - - - Oxford, Wore., & Wolver - - Peebles lBl 181 268 2881 St. Helen's Canal& Railway 30 30 2,916 2,225 , Scottish Central Scottish North-Eastern ll5 115 3,750 3,720 Shrewsbury & Birmingham 291 291 1,966 2,148 Shrewsbury and 'Chester Shrewsbury & Hereford Shropshire Union 291 291 890 850 South Devon South-Eastern 306 302 29,294 23,237 South Wales l7ll 1711 7,235 7,221 S. Yorkshire and River Dun 118 108 3,197 2,511. Stockton and Darlington Taff Vale 53 53 4,936 1,433. Ulster Ulverstone and Lancaster Vale of Neath 2 54 25 4 1 , 5 75 1,907 Warrington and Stockport lO - - - Waterford and Kilkenny 3l 31 328 394 Waterford and Limerick West Cornwall 271 2 7 4 717 650 W. Hartlepool Harbr.&Rail 39 29 3,606 3,841 Whitehaven Junction l2 12 746 606 Whitehaven & Furness Jun 35 35 688 667 W'haven,Cleator,&Egrmnt 7 7 492 396 FOREIGN AND COLONIAL Antwerp and Rotterdam 52 52 1,058 895 Austrian B2B 673 39,990 11,915 , Belgian Eastern Junction . 264 261 246 2894 Buffalo and Lake Huron Detroit and Milwaukie lB5 185 2,495 2,371 Dutch Rhenish Grand Trunk of Canada 970 880 11,458 8,47 ' 4 Great Indian Peninsula 277 1941 3,738 3,71 0 Great Luxembourg* l2B 122 2,840 2,21:9 Great Western of Canada 345 315 6,081 6,3110 Lombardo-Venetian 285 285 - - - Lyons and Geneva 4 142 142 5,703 5,702: Ili adrid, Saragossa &Alicant 310 284 12,234 9,29 Y; Maria Antonia 2l 21 - - Northern of France 613 602 44,534 41,554 Norwegian Trunk 44 44 789 951 Paris, Lyons, & Mediterrn 879 840 75,593 76,066 Paris and Orleans 922 922 52,442 46,5:2 Paris and Strasburg - -- Royal Danish 69 69 501 565 Sambre and Meuse 6B 68 1,252 1,37 9 Southern of France 777 773 18,165 15,928, West Flanders 730 42,091 37 ,669 W. and N.W. of France 742 • BIRTHS. AFFLECK.—On the 18th inst., at Brastead, Lady Affleck, of a son. FAIRLIE.—On the 18th inst., at Kelso, Lady Cuningham Fairlie r of a daughter. HMST.—On theseth. inst., at the Cathedral Precincts, Canterbury, twtfe of the Rev. Thomas Hirst, of a daughter. MARRIAGES. LESLlE—SLmosmr.—On the 19th inst., at Knaresborough. parish church, Captain Leslie, R o y a l H orse G uar d s, to E m ma Louisa Katherine, daughter of the late Chariest slingsby, Esq., of Loftus-hill, and sister to Sir Charles/ Slingsby, Bart., Scriven-park, Knaresborough. NuctENT—O'FERRALL.—On the 19th inst., at the Church of the Bavarian Embassy, Warwick-street, Walter Geo.. Nugent, Capt. 33d Regt. oldest son of Sir Percy Nugent, Bart., co. 'Westmeath, to 'Maria, the only daughter of the Right Hon. Richard More O'Ferrall, M.P. for Kildare, and of the Hon. Matilda Mora O'Ferrall, daughter of the late Viscount Southwell. DEA.THS. B ROwNE.—On the 18th inst., at 2, East Southernhay Exeter, Eugene Browne, Esq., h.p. 91st Regt. CRAVEN.--On the 15th inst., at Harrogate, Jonathas4 Craven, Esq., of Thornton, near Bradford, Yorkshire, aged 29. DRUCE.—On the 18th inst., at Eynsham, Oxon, Samuel Druce, Esq., aged 72. HEATH.—On the 18th inst., George Craufurd Heath, Esq. the Senior Fellow of King's College, Cambridge, aged 77. HIRST.—On the 18th inst., at St. John's-wood, Michael Stocks Hirst, Esq., aged 29. WEmYss.—On the 19th inst., at Bath, Lieut.-General Wemyss, C. 8., Colonel 17th Foot. LONDON : Printed and Published by KURD() YOUNG, of No. 112, Strand, Printer, at The Sou Office, No. 112, Strand, in the Precinct of the Savoy, lathe county lir Midclieu67, Saturday, July 21, 1860.