The Sun. — London, England, 1858-04-27 00:00:00

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Is the et - sorry for ) granted, members difficulty )ns would confirms' t say any was shown 3 got frog' rdship for to I deserved ists in the to recover ►city to the 1 his oapi' in Hampt— irst-named :an well be he farmer, its conceP• vas nature part 11 aety, and , and Mr• gracefully with great y is real!! 1 .. applause . °Mere re' was giveP ler notice. y Theatre, 'ecommen , meat. y written at thi% iced with Emery, by Mien h the ori• that the Lt finished :xcept by .cely have insidering the andi . * :ome due storm of rsonation .he olden it fell to comedy► vocalies the Belford rmer wag t and so ation by corned,' hole was to parti to men those of ry dance Lery will, 1 Strand r say; a ED'S itertaia af songs written nerit of y. We a nutt' aannerg MONEY MARKET COMMERCIAL INTELLIGENCf. CITY, Two o'CLocx. During the past few days rather more activity bas prevailed in the Foreign and Colonial Produce Markets, and most of the leading staples have been at full rates, while in some few instances an advance has been realised. Sugar of good grocery quality bas been in demand, and at a slight improvement. In the Itefinerl Market dried goods are scarce, and full prices are current. For coffee there has been only a moderate inquiry, and prices have exhibited little variation ; spices have been dull, and at the public sales of cinnamon, prices, compared with those obtained at the last sales, declined about 2d. to 3d. for first quality, 2d. for second, and ld. to 2d. per lb. for third qua lities. Saltpetre has been in steady demand, and at slightly improved rates. The demand for tallow has Leen moderately active, and prices have been steadily supported. P.Y.C. on the spot is quoted 555. 3d. to 555. 6d. ; May and June, 555. ; July and September, 535. ; and last three months, 525. 3d. per cwt. The Liverpool Cotton Market yesterday closed firmly, and prices of all descriptions were without alteration. The sales were estimated at 8,000 bale, 2,000 of which were taken by the speculatcrs, and 1,000 by the exporters. In the 12, tilway Share Market an improving tone still prevails, and prices are steadily advancing. Although a large amount of engagements is now falling due, consisting of long-dared paper i•sued during the crisis, and when money was at 10 per cent., the general inquiry for accommodation has not increased, and the terms still remain very moderate. Thes3 bills, it is feared, in some quarters may lead to some embarrassments, even if no failures occur, because it is known that the depreciation in produce—for it is prin cipally among the East India trade that thee en gagements are now maturing—must have entailed serious losses. If, however, they should be punt tually discharged, the East India firms will d serve much credit for the manner in which they have been able to bear up against the vicissitudes of the last six months. Saturday next being the Ist May will, as usual, be observed as a holiday at the St tck Exchange, although the committee have not yet made the requisite formal announcement. The Committee of Spanish American Bondhol ders have issued the following notice :—" In con sequence of the very satisfactory nature of the last advices received from the Republic of Venezuela, the Committee have determined on despatching by the packet of the 17th of next month their com missioner, Mr. Elias Mocatta, to Caracas, to ar range for the liquidation of the arrears due on the foreign debt of that Republic." To-day a meeting of the Sortridge Consols Mining Company took place at the London Tavern, when a report was presented, stating that the coat for the three months was 1,5131. 19s. 101, and the ore eold 1,2011. 2s. 7d., leaving a loss on the three months of 3061. 14s. 9d.; but there was a general estimated balance in favour of the mine of 2,408/. Os. 3d. The report was adopted. The market for English Securities has remained firm during the morning, and notwithstanding the limited transactions recorded, there is still a dispo- ' eition to extend engagements. A few purchases have been made, but they have been to-) unimpor tant to produce much effect upon values. Consols fortransfer have been 97 to 97/, and for,account 97111. They are now 9 74 and fur June 97 Tee New Threes and the Reduced Annuities are 951 96, and the New 24 per Cents. are 80k. Bank Stock is 222, and India Loan Scrip 99i 100. Exchequer Bill s are 345. to 375. premium. Foreign 1 gt oc k s are active, and prices are steady. Turkish 6 per Cents. are 98 to 98 ex div. ; • 4 per C en t s. 1044 ; ditto 80 Buenos Ayres, 6 per Cents , ; Equador New Consolidated, 14 4 ; Grenada New Active 24 ; ditto Deferred 54 ; Peruvian 41 per Cents., 814 ; ditto 3 per Cents., 56; ; Portu 101i ; ,guess 3 p er Cents., 45i ; Russian 41 per Cents., Spanish Doll ar Bonds, per Cents., 44g ; Peruvian 56/ • ; and Dutch 24 per Cents., 661. The following are th e nom i na l pr i ces o f F ore i g n Stocks :—Grenada Deferred Bonds, 54 6 ; Mexi can 3 per Cents., 204 ; Peruvian 44 per Cents., 81 83 ; Ditto 3 per Cents., 55 57 ; Portuguese 3 Per Cents., 454 46 ; Russian 5 per Cents., 110 112 ; Ditto 4 per Cents., 101 102 ; Spanish 3 per Cents., 441 ; and Ditto New Deferred, 26 i i• There has been a very limited amount of business transacted to-day in the Railway Share Market, and the variations have not exceeded about 1 per cent. Eastern C.tuu tieB) Edinburgh, Perth, and Dundee, Great 'Northern, Norfolk, and Notth-Eastern (Ber wick), advanced abut ss. Caledonian, Lan cashire and Yorkshire and North-Western de clined 55., and Great WeAtern 10s. Brightons, Midlands, and South Easter ns, were at previous rates. In the other Foreign and Colonial undertakings scarcely any business has been transacted. Bahia and San Francisco have declined about 55., and East Indian ss. Grand Trunk of Canada improved 10s. Great Western of Canada, and Great Indian Peninsula were a shade firmer. Joint Stock Bank and Miscellaneous Shares are very inactiv,., and exhibit no alteration in prices of any importance. BR I fIS EI FUNDS.-CLOSING P MOBS - THIS DIY. (Prom the o.llirtal,. [Asti) ta II: Stook . k i 3 PeT , ;cat. Reduce,: 'tontaitiet, 95 6 5 5i i 3 Per tent f (-,/iscle Annuities 97A 7 i / i New 3 p er C ont. k LAtm 'A •'' 95 6 New Inci a 0A 2i per Cent. Annuities 8 223 Stock India Loan Debentures — Ditto Scrip 'Vita isouclE, £l1160 Ditto, under ElOOO l7 Cotsol e for Account .. Excher)tr Bin., 2;t; a ,„: March. June. .£lOOO ........ ...- . £sse -- 133 133 PRICES OF FOREIGN FUNDS—THIS DAY, Euenos A yrea Bonds, 6 per Cent. - Ditto Acc0unt .................... ......... 8N EquadorNew Consolidated. Grenada N ew A ct i ve, 2} per V., 14* Per Cent.......... 20, Ditto Deferred. . ......................... Mexican per cent Ditto Account . 20i Peruvian Bonds, 4 .A per Cent Bla 24 Ditto 3 per Cent. - Ditto Account Portuguese Bonds, 3 pe r C en t ., 1853 ...... Ditto Account, Russian B on d s 454 St., 5 per Cent ll., Ditto, 4i per Cent. EiDannh Bot.ds, per Cent. •litto Account Ditto New Deferred, 3 por Cent.Vitt.Passive 7 SpAntal, Committee Cert. of Coup. not fun. 9i Turhieh Bonds, b per cent ..... , — Ditto Account 9Bl 8 a Ditto Guaranteed, t per Cent. Ditto Account Dividends on the above payable in London. Dutch Exchange. 21 per Cent., 12 Guilders 66i Do. 4 or'. cent. Certificates Peruvian Dollar Bonds,. 44 per Cent. 56 :t EA O'CLOCK'. consols, money .............. •• 97 • Console account (May 6) .................. 974 lie;dates THE BOMBAY MAIL.—The Rip, the we heavy per- -1- : n w , gaPtain Powell, ~, arrived at Southampton yeeterdai tion of the Bombay mail. dria, April 12 ; Malta, 16 ; Gibraltar, 21. re— t„, txa a n s 1 her cargo eas specie to the value of 6141. Lord I.7e 's- n' t e i ' iquadren was at Tunis. Her Maksty'e chip Curlew ~' was at Gibraltar. The Hibernia, Vulture, and Carad oe -' were at Malta. The R pin exchanged colours with the Alhambra on the 22nd, near Lisbon, and on the 23rd she passel the Inc;ian packet Indus near Cape Finis- Uwe, The Ripen trought home 147 pasteegere, aneontrA whom were Laeies Grant. and Somerset, Cols. Weichman and Deacoa, both of whom tad been at the . s iege of Delei, and the former lad his arm el - lettered there; Captain Gihneyi who was wounded in the de. fence of Nainee Jal, in Rohilcund ; and Lieutenant - in), . R.N., of her Majesty's gunboat Banterer' He ;raptured by a was rent up the Canton river in a boat to capture a mandarin, who was ill using some men, anti was nearly party of Chinese who lay in ambush. The i l l u teLant's revolver, which he made good use of, saved ,: e tn.; and be has completely recivered from the wounds Alexandria %.then received. Her Majesty's ship Vulture is fitting 1) ..t at Malta, to curtve y • r.otae cf the Moo.cou pilnces to on a pilgrimage to the tomb of Mahornet at Mecca ' 5HA..::.11 MARKETS ---,This Day). RAIL WA irB. RAILWAY. , . 'llnal ,, g !..'r a this day Ambg. Nottng. Bost. & Eastn. June.... Belfast & Ballymin Birmng. Wolverh. Stour Valley Rirkenhd. Lanesh. rheshire -Vaelt burn myth & Tyne origins 25 (iss. at £45).., Rriptol & Exeter... Ca1ed0nian.......... Chester 4 Holyhea Cork and Bandon Cork, Black. & Pass. Cornwall 5 - 6 7i - 69 -- 9 - 26 -- 88 -84 t 35 - ii - D. I Do. B ........ Dublin&BelfastJum , Dun. P. &Aber.Junc East Anglian Eastern Counties..... EasternUnion,A.stk Do., do. ?L. Do. New A East Kent East Lancashire East Suffolk Do. Edinburgh & Glasgov Edinb.Prth.4Dund4 Forth and ClydeJunc. Furness ... ....... . Glasgow do S. Western Great N. of Scotland Great Northern Do., A. Stock Do., B. Stock Gt. Sth. &West. (Ire). Great Western. , Do. Str.V.R. gua. St Irish South-Eastern. Lancaster & Carlisle. Do., Thirds- ..... Do. New Thirds Lancash. &Yorkshir Do., do. F Do. Do., £9 Do., Wst. Riding LTD Do. Southport..... London & Black war Do. New, i.s. 51.105. Loud. Rright. & S. Os r London & N. Wester Do. Eighths London & S. Weatd- Lndndrry &Coleraine Luducirry. & Ennisk danch.Sbef. &Line' t . Metropolitan Midland .., Do. Birming.& Der , Midland G. West.ar. Do. Shares Newcastle & Carl i sle Newpt. A berg.&ll rt , Newry & Armagh N ewry , Warrenpoi & Restrevor Nortolk. ..... ........ • Northn. Counties lb North British ...... North Devon, Rail. 4 Dock Stock Do., A Stock Do., B Stock ..... N. East ern Berwicl Do do. G.N.E.Purch Do. Leeds Do. York North London N. & S. Wstn., Hamt stead, and City Jn. North Staffordshire. North N. dr S. westrn. Jun,. Oxford Worcester Wolverhampton Peebles 8 8d 16i 16 ; 60 61 46 47 30 32 14 - 16 87 - 89 62 - 63 271 - 28, 90 - 92 9 - 10 102 i -103 i 87 - 89 126 - 127 99 - 101 - 57.1 56 - 58 4 - 86 10 12 p 10 - 12 r 89i 90i 1 d a - 6 - 6i 105 - 106 91 - 94 : lh - 94 - 95 ••• 37 931 - 94: 66 68 •• • 1 . 3 66 - 62 36 - 3 514 - 53 (i2l - 93 2 - r. 47 - 48 75 - 76 92 - 94 4$ —4.1 d n Eq. 8 9 30 - 31 i -i, Portsmouth I Rhymney Scottish Central 100 !Scrit. N.E.Abrdn. St 100 Do. Scot. Mid. Stock 100 Shropsiaire Union 8 Sitingbo - arne (SE Shee 100 ISouth Devon South 1100 ; South Walcs iO7 - 109 26i - 27 78 - 80 45 - 47 - 11; 36 - 37 71 - 72 82i - 831 13 - 15 7 - 5 8 - 10 35 - 20 i ! all 20 , 14 20 I all 25 all 25 20 25 5 St,lloo St. 1 1.00 26 22 St. 100 St. 100 'S. Yorksh. Riv,,,r Du Do. .. • Staines,Wok.,Bffok Stockton Si. Darling.. Do. do., 1854 Do. do., tass Stockton do Hartlepl 'Taff Vale jDo. Pref., No, 1 Thames Hay. D. &R Vale of Ncath. ..... Vaterfd. & Kilkenny ••• •• li=l2 • • i 0 all ;0 all .0 all Waterford&Limorick West Col IWest End of London and Crystal Palace Do. A 5 1 all .•• •• 2i - • €1 - 5 all ;Dull Do. B ,West London ••• '. • 10 all I Do. First Class 20 all Do. Second Class ... ....... /II BRITISH Pi Business dore this day. SSESSIONS. i - ip - Ap 185 - 90 79 - 82 77 - 80 17 : fi ,110, 1 1 -• 111, ii I,c 20 - 21 48 - 50 81 - 83 2111 - 21 - 19i- - 301 ,106 - 111 1106 -- 111 ,105 108 194' 20.§— 2 t s,cl par iPiP - ill, Atian. and Lt. Law. 9 Romba.y, Baroda, and Cen.lnd,guar. 5 p.c. all I Do. all Do. Additional A I all Buffalo & Lake Hur 1 10 • Butt ' Brut& Golch 100 6 p.c.bds., 1 Aug.,'72 Do. do., 1 July, '7:i 100 Do. do.. 1 Juno, '74 2s. Calcutta and S. East. 12sqd Central Oude (Liln.l 2 Ceylon A shares I all Demerara . 2s. Eastern Bengal l 0) East Indian all Do. C Shares 5 Do. E. do. „.... , all D 0.46 p. c. Buds. ,': - J9 all Geelong & Melbourne guar. 5 per cent.... 1 100 Gd. Trunk. of Canada all I Do. 6 p. c. Deben...l all Gt. In, Pen. g. 5 pore.' 4 Do. New, guar. 5 p.c.l 1,. all Gt. Wcstn. of Canada 13 Do, New all Do. Bds., payable '571 .5.1/ ')o. do., '76, p. '6O all Do. do., '73, do. _I all Do. do., '73, without option all Madras, guar. 4# P.C all Do. do., 5 per c 15 Do. 4i p. c. Eaten 5 Do. 3d Ex., g. sp.c 5 Do. 4th Ex., do, ss. Oude (Limited) 15 3einde, guar. 5 per c all Do FOREIGN. all & Rotterdam all Ardennes... 3 Bahia & Fra%cisco.. all iielgian East. Juliet all Beziers to Graissessac all Carmeaux&Toulonse Coal Mines and Ry 15 Dutch Rhenish all Eastern of France 2s. Euphrates Valley all Gt. Central of France all Great Luxembourg... 6 Italian Junction all Lake Coast. & Bale all Lierre and Turnhout 6 Lombardo-Venetian all Lucca 4 Pist.sp.c.p. all Lyons and Geneva ... all Maria Antonia all Do. New all Namur & Liego all Do. do. 6p. c. Pref all Northern of France 8 Do. New all NorwegianTrnk.Pref all Paris and Lyons all Ditto New all Paris and Orleans , 9 Recife 4 San Frau , (Perham.) g. 7 p. c 1. Riga and Dunaburg all Rome and Frssesti , all Royal Danish all Royal Swedish all Do. 7 per cent all Sambre and Meuse , all '3o. 5j per cent. prel all Southern of France, all West Flanders all Do. st, per 0. Prof all W.&N.W. of France 6 Western of Austria... all Wirt. of Switzerland all 01 .es i aden all Do. Bp. cent. pref. al, Zealand ... . 6 - fig i - 0 i - li l• """" ... - 3i 4 - 4h 271 - 28 ii : a. 4 - W 25 = 26 - 37g - 37. 8 - 321 - 321 ii - E a id ;i - 17 i - ". si f 5 84 -- 9 20i 5 -5: 9 -- 96 23 ..., .. ••• JOINT-STOCK BANKS. 100 50 Agra & United Sera ; I 40 all Australasia BO 82 f 814 1 25 all Bank of Egypt 100 50 Bank of London 46 48 40 all Bri. CoL Bk.& Ln. Co i •• 50 all Briti s h N. American. _ 20 10 C. Bk.of Ind.Au.diCh.; 2i 10j 50 City 57 59 100 25 Colonial 204 211 Commercialof Canada CO 20 oommerciat of Lond. •- 20 all Eng.Scot.&Aus.ent. 17i 184 174 18 20 all L on . Ch . Bk .of A 19} 19, .50 20 London and County 50 10 L on d on Joint Stock. 30 00 20 L oud.andWestminst. 431 100 35 National Pro. of Eng. ••• 20 10 Da. New 50 25 Vationtu Bank ?; — • • ••• 20 all Ne w South Wales.... 43 45 25 all Oriental Bank Corp 374 38 4 20 all Ottoman Bank 100 '25 Provincial o f I reland 61 -- 63 10 all Do. New......, 25 all ion th aetralia ••• 33 25 15 Do. New.,,,,, . 25 all Union of Australia_ 45 96 45-4 15 Do. New 00 10 Union of London 23 —24 234 1100 50 Un i ty Mutual ••• 00 50 Westrul3k QI Londl9 17d Eli. 11A St. St. St. 50 St. St. 'lOO 1 100 'lOO 163 100 'lOO 31.1 8i 71 10 85 41 161 601 103 88 7 127 57 i 61 90 89i 1051 5 6 94/ 95 4i 94i i 31 67i 611 2 52i 93 2i i fli i 74i 13 i 301 1001 111 10i 49i J 8/ 81 1 21i / THE SUN, LONDON, TUESDAY EVENING, APRIL 27, 1858. LINES LEASED AT FIXED RENTALS. PARLIAMENTARY DIVISION. • account that which with all respect to you, Sir, I may describe as a more important consideration, namely, what would be the effect of the vote of the House of Commons upon public opinion in England and in India. And although when the question of the intro duction of the noble lord's bill was brought before the house it was the opinion of those who then became re sponsible for the conduct of affairs that the amendment was a wise and prudent one—although, with scarcely an exception, those who now form the Administration in this house bad voted in favour of that amendment —still it was impossible to avoid the responsibility of action under the new circumstances which then presented themselves for our consideration. (Ersarr hear.) Now, difficult as was the position in which we found ourselves, I cannot, upon reflection, help thick ing that we could have taken no other course than that which we pursued. lam of opinion that it would be impossible under those circumstances to evade offering to the notice of the House of Commons that scheme of government for India which, upon the whole, we thought would be most advantageous to that country. We acted upon that conviction, and the house will permit me to observe that there was some similarity, but great differences, between the scheme of the noble lord opposite and that which her Majesty's Ministers submitted to its consideration. (Hear, hear.) They re sembled one another in one particular. They both pro posed that the government of India, so far as it was con ducted in this country, should be carried on by a sole and responsible Minister, who should possess an undi vided authority. The noble lord proposed in addition that there should be a certain limited number of indivi deals nominated by the Crown, who should be called the Council of this Minister. We, upon the other hand, proposed the appointment of a Minister with undivided authority, who should be solely responsible for the ad ministration of the affairs of India, and who should be assisted in the conduct of those affairs by a Coun cil which, in point of number and of the quality of the materials of which it was composed, should not be merely a council in name. (Hear.) Now, I would call the attention of the house to what in the consideration on Friday next of the Act of the Queen and of the resolu tions which I have laid upon the table ie the main issue upon which we shall have to decide. There are, no doubt, a vast number of secondary considerations and arrangements which will have to be dealt with, some of which are unquestionably of great importance, such, for instance, as the distribution ef patronage and questions of that description ; but at the bottom of thisgreat subject lies One main issue upon which the attention of the house ought to be concentrated before it proceeds to the con sideration of any of those other matters which will come under its notice. There are, if I may be permitted to use the phrase, two schools which have laid down cer tain dogmas in accordance with which the new Govern ment of India ought, they contend, to be frarnett. Th e first is one which boasts of the simplicity of its a, iamq-.- mentp. Its adherents tell you that there is no difficulty in nor sVucting a Government for India—that the t.irn pier the form of Government you devise for it the better —that all you have to do is to establish a great officer of State, with undivided authority and a le responFibility, sitting in a House of Parliament, and assisted in the ad ministra'ion of his office by a few clerks and an Under Secretary. The principle upon which this school founds it,; system is ex(rezlely simple ; it is this,—that India ought to be governed in the same way r,s every other bpendermy of her Majesty. Now, lat once, and with all due respect, join issue with that school. (Hear, hear.) I deny that India ought to be governed in the 8M135 way as any other dependency of her Majesty. (Hear, hear.) I deny the justice of the analogy drawn between ti a'. country and other por.iot s of the dominions of the Cr.).n. (Hear, hear.) India is an empire of many kingdoms and nations ; an empire inhabited by a ppulation profesEing different religions, governed by different laws, influenced by d fferent custerns, and coo lta:ning a physical variety of race equal - to that which exis's in Europe. ;Hear, hear.) Now, from the consi deration of these fan's, the conclusion, in my opinion Closing Prices this day Business this day. HOUSE OF COMMONS-ArEIL 26. RAILWAYS. Buckghamsh. Clydesdale Jc. Col.Stour Vy. g. 6 p.s. E. Un. H. Sh. Glas. Barr. & Neils. Direct. Do. , lew Glstr.&Dn.Fr Hull a Selby Do. Shares Do. f Shares Lon.&Greenw Do. Preference Lon. Til., &S. Do. Bark. Sh. M.a.nch.Bxton. and Matlock Mdld. Bradfd. Newmarket BuryE.G.spc. all N.&Est.s p.c. all Do. 6 per ct all Do. Fixed sp. c 5 all Prest. & Wyre .2i; all Do. Shrs. A It. 'lOO Roystn.& Hit. .0 all Shrews.& Her 2 all S. Staffordsh ;0 all WearVal.g6pc 5 all Do ;t. 'lOO !Wilts&Somrst It. 100 It. 100 5 all It. 100 5 all ;t. ilOO 93 - 100 100 - 102 13 - 15 136 - 139 4 - t. 400 ;5 all all 15 all 2 all all all it. 'lOO LO 10 5 ! •.. - ••• 103 - 110 ii' 3.2 a i 24 - 25 94 - 96 94 - 9 6 P - IP 57' - 9 'lOO 6 51 136 --- 139 18 - 9 10 - 10, ! I 32 - 33 "IP 89 - 91 inevitably follows, that he who governs ludia ehould he a man possessing vast and varied information with re spect to the subject with which he would have to deal, and I cannot believe that any English statesman who might be appointed to the office of Pres Pent of a Coun cil for India, or to that of Secretary of State for Lela, and suddenly and unexpectedly appointed to that office, owing perhaps to his general reputation and the possession of great Parliamentary ability, could possess the requisite information and knowledge for the efficient discharge of the duties of so important a position. (Hear, hear.) Well, then, if that be so, he must consult with somebody ; and the consequence is that the permanent officers of hisdepartment, his Uridere Secretary or his clerk, becomes his Council. (Hear.) Now, I have the greateet respect for the. permanent civil servants of the Crown. (Hear, hear.) Nuns one can have been placpcl in communication with that large and valuable body of her Majesty's servants without en tertaining for its members a feeling not only of respect but in many ins ances of admiration, (Hear, hear.) It is, however, impossible to deny that if they are in any respect open to be charged with deficiency, that defi eierlcy consists—and, indeed, I may say it is dulcet a necessary consequence ,f the careers which they have rma—in the absence of that feeling of responsibility which e who are trained in this house all m some de gree possess. (Hear.) They necessarily live in a school of peculiar opinious—(hear) —to which they Lc ene w dded, often from the force of conviction, but some times owing to the influence of habit. (Rear, hear.) I do not, then, believe that this system of the simple school of suddenly effecting a great revolution, such as that proposed by the late Prime Minister, and substi tuting fer the complicated government that still prevails n connection with India a Minister of the Croat), an aisted by some permanent civil servants, would be found to be one that would work in a manner satisfactory to the country. (Cheers.) But then, sir, the adherents Of this school and they are both active and able to tell us that it does not signify much whether tuts new Minister fur India is realty capable from hie knowledge and ex perience, or whether even the subordinates to whom h e trusts for the information requisite for the ordinary dis charge of the duties of his office are (-Mei- rit, irtascuuch as in accordance with a second principle cf their 41.Pct.rne India must be governed in India. New, I beg the hue to citneider how much is involved in that phrase. " India must be governed in India," simply means teat England is to be ignorant sf India. (Loud c!tecre) You place the Governor-General in India, it you adept the principle to which I have just alluded as the main rule of y ur new policy, in a position of power which the constitution of this country has not hitherto contemplated, and which may produce effects upon the fortunes cf this empire, the maenittele of which it is itn• nis-ibls to predict. (Cheers.) Why, sir, the Governor- General of India would under those circumstances, not checked by any one possessing sufficient knowledge or authority—which is always the child of knowledge in this country—hold a position which no despot has at any .tirne occupied. (Hear, hear.) Conceive for a moment the career which might tempt an indiciduol pine-d in that position--a career perhaps of conquest, which might exercise an immense influence over the finances cif India —an it fluence which would he sure to react on the finan ces of England—no one prepared to c;eck, no one ready to control him. (Hear.) There may be occasionally com plaints of misconduct and mal administration, instances of the exercise of an arbitrary will upon his part, not to justifiud ; but if these complaints come home and are referred to him for explanation, be will give that satis factory explanation which superior kno ledge can always give upon every subject. (Hear.) What power, I would ask, would your Minister, with undivided au hority at home, possess to influence a potentate of that descrip• tien ; and in what position would such a Governor-Gene ral of India stand in relation to the Ministry in England, especially if it were a weak Ministry ? (Hear.) What an exercise of patronage at his command to sustain a weak and falling party ! If an inquiry should be insti tuted into his conduct how easily might he not in a moment put a stop to its progress by providing for all those claimants on Ministerial patronage whom his in exhaustible resources could alone satisfy I (Hear.) The more I reflect upon this simple plan the more I confess does it appear to me to be dangerous and impracticable. (Hear.) Well, there is another plan which has been brought forward, and brought forward in this house in the form of a bill, and which has been stigmatised as a cirmplicated plan. I cannot, however, for my part, say that I think the plan of the noble lord deserves that epithet. The plan of the noble lord is indeed—souse what veiled no doubt and mitigated for form's sake — the plan of that simple school to which I have adverted —(hear)—because the Minister of the noble lord would possess all the Indian patronage, and his despotism in England would be veiled only by the appointment of some barren nominees. (Cheers.) Those nominees could not perform the office of a Council, because each of the departments to which they would be called upon to direct their attention would alone demand and fully tax the powers of a single individual. (Hear.) What we require in the case of a Council for lonia is that every great department, the military, the financial, the judicial, each should be subjected to the control of a committee of in fluence and of combined mind. If, however, you have a Council limited in number and consisting only of a few nomirovs of the Crown, you will find each department of our Indian administration under the control of one tole individual, and that individual, in point of fact, a clerk or an Under Secretary. (Hear, hear.) The bill which I had the honour to introduce was of a differerit character. It was stigmatised as complicated ; in fact, the chief objection which has been raised against it—one of invective rather than of reason—has been its compli cated character. lam not prepared to agree that that is a fault in the formation of a government for the adminis tration of Ind at. affairs. A great writer has said that of all the affectations the affectation of simplicity is the most off naive, and that which is true of composition or manners is, to my mind equally valid with respect to political institutions. W by, sir, we have during the last century had a great many institutions established in Eur)pe, all of them remarkable tor their simplicity. They have been tie children of philosophers of an enlightened age. They have been formed upon abstract principles — based upon abstract truths and upon first principles, and what has been the fate cf those institutions? But our own constitution is not a simple construction —our con stitution is extremely complicated, and yet our own constitution has worked much better than any of to o b ove modern inventions. Certainly, lam not pr in my adhesion to the principle that siatpolirceithaynrs.hiao.uldvvb: the characteristic of any constitution for d osition for any' know that it is very easy to ritdhiscrus apt) y government in government. I do not think existence—any institution which has long flourished, and which we are perfectly accustomed to regard as a mere matter of course, which might not be proved VI be utterly impracticable, although it has been in prac tice fir centuries. Now, Ido not know any institution which appears to us more natural and more simple than the made in which the general administration of this country is carried on by a committee of the Privy Council called the Cabinet. That seems to us the most natural institution possible, the legitimate pro duct of Parliamentary government ; but if it were now proposed fir the first time, and I were in opposi tion, I think I could show that of all absurd invention', of all impracticable suggestions, that was the most ridi culous. I should say, "Only think of taking men out of one House of Parliament, and then taking men out of the other House—these two houses being assemblies be tween which there is not by any means entire sympathy, but which are, on the contrary, often in conflict. O n l y think of making a man a Cabiuet Minister because he a. connected with the agricultural interest, another be cause he is connected with the mercantile interest ; only think of making a man a Cabinet Minister because he can make a speech." (Laughter.) Every one would say directly, "This is a form of government the most absurd ever known, it cannot wcrlc, and the person who would propose it is not entitled to the public confi dence." But if it be added that the Government of the country thus constituted shall consist only of men who sit in the House of Lords or the House of Co-n -mons, what declamation would there not be against such a special qualification ? Wou d it not be said, "That is a plan by which you prevent many clever men who shoul f be in the Government from forming a part of it. The absurd and heterogeneous institution yeti propose would shut out Mr. Hallam, Mr. Grote, and Mr. Mill—it is totally impossible such an institution should work at all." Yet it does work on the whole very satisfactorily. (Hear, and laughter.) Now, Sir, although I speak with becoming diffiden, e on a subject like that of the government of India, of which I am bound to say, from all that has passed during the last two months, I cannot but feel there does not exist in this house or in the country that mature opinion—(hear, hear)—that mature opinion which should accompany, and always has accompanied in this country, the solu tion of a grave question. Still I cannot but agree, from what I have observed here, that a majority of this house are in favour of a council to assist the new Minister of the Crown. But, sir, if they are in fa - your of a council, surely they must be in favour of a real council. (Hear, hear.) Now, that in the present system of the Government of India in England there are great faults lam the last man to deny. Many of them are acknowledged even by the members of that Government. But that there are also great merits no one can dispute—(hear, hear)—and it does not require the assent of this house to prove that point—the existence and the maintenance of the Indian empire demonstrate that satisfactorily. What are the qualities and excellencies of the East India direction, which have rever been questioned, but which are universally ac knowledged ? The knowledge that exists there—(hear) —the experience that exists there, the aptitude to deal with all forms and subjects of Inerste administration, (Hear.) Those are the qualities that made the govern ment of the East India Company successful, and which counteracted the evil effects of delay and divided power. (Hear.) Therefore. it appears to me that if you resolve to have a con eel, it should he a real council, and should possese those elements which the Court of Directors has been eminent for. (Hear.) I say, in the first place such a council ought to be numerous. Ido not think that any one who has investigated with attention all the mat ters that corns under !ha consideration of the present Court of Directors can believe that they could be effi ciently dealt with by a limited number of mere notni tees, as the untie lord proposed. (Hear.) All those great subjects of business—to some of which I have al luded, and which I nil not weary the house by describ ing in demel—carferet eatislictoi ily be ranged under less than eight distinct !-ends, requiring the aid of c mmit tees to administer there. You may put two or three subjects together, anti thus reduce the number of cern orittees, but there are eieht considerable heads of uuei dess which require the intervention of committees—if we are to have an effective council. Committees for the government of a dependency so distant provide those qualities of criticism and control which never can be ex pected front a single individual. A tingle individual s a mere adutinistrstor, and becomes a mere clerk ; but if you want a council ton roust have c anruittees, and if y.'u want committees for the management of the affairs relating to the Indian army, to Indian finance, t Indian judicial estat - Ishmeuts, to our dealings •sith native princes, to the home government of India, and other important subjects, you roust necessarily have a nume rous council. (Hear, bear.) Well, if you are prepared to agree to a council considerable in numbers, are you prepared at once to say the Crown shall nominate the whole of them ? I think that would be entrusting to the Crowp a power which the jealous feeling usually pervading the house would make us hesitate to concede. (Hear, hear.) Ido not wish upori this occa , ion to enter into any inquiry as to what should be the exact number of the council, but for the sake of argument I will as sume that the number should be that proposed in the bill which I had the hongur of introducing—namely, 18. Are you prepared to entrut the nomioation of those 18 councillors to the Crown ? (Hear, bear.) I believe such a course would be unwise and dangerous—one wl I could never approve. Then you come to the plan of no mination, to a certain extent. Let us assume that the Crown shall nominate one-half the council—say nine. We proposed that while the Crown should nominate one-half of the council, security eliould be taken that the nominees should he efficient men—that is to ray, they should be men who had large experience of India, that they ehou'd be men who pox-eased the knewledge which would enable them to give to the Minister for India in EA!land complete information upon all subjects which conic under the notice of the council. We proposed ar rangements which would have insured brat he civil ser vices of the three presidencies to the great Gevernmeets and to the great armies cf India should be represented in this council. It has been alleged that these restric tions were unwise. (Hear, beer.) It has been all- ged that by insisting upon those conditions you must shut out of the council very able men who otherwi , e might be placed upon it. Undoubtedly you would. It you make a general arrangement there may be exc ,, ptione which you will have just reason to regret. But are you to legislate for oxceptionF ? Are you net to look at the great object of your I,gishition, which, in this assumed case, is that the cetincii shall be a real coon • cil, pox-awing adequate knowledge and experience, ar,d are you not to take steps to secure that (ilk& ? Are 30u not to see that the Government upon any question re Whig to the Punksh, cr to Schede, or to the Southern Provinces, shall be certain to find in the council non who upon those sutjects can give the best and soundest ad vice? (fleas, hear.) I think teat was a wise andpru dent arrangement. (Hear, hear.) When lam told that some men might by those means be excluded froni the coot oil of India, allow me to inform the house what would be the average number of individuals from whom a selection c. ul.f ha made, who have been connected with tire great armies or civil services of that empire. The number of p,rsons who have filled the highest offices in India, would probably net be less than 80 ; and are we to believe that if the Minister for India in this country had to eel-ct f r each of those special qualifications from among not less than 80 men who have all occupied the highest offices in council or in war, he would not be able to fail men of very dietiereuished merit ? To Fay that he would not is the rno-t preposterous ceeclu.ion to which we could arrive. But lam told in tee manifesto of the East India Company that this proposition was the vi °set proposition of the kind, because it represented class ie terests. Now, I must say I wa-s never more surprist d than when I heard an objection raised to this plan, which is not insisted on in the resolutions, though it is quite open to be proposed in committee. I must say I wit- per fectly surprised that on the part of the East India Com pany this objection should be urged, that we were by this plan representing class interests. I have heard in this house often enough, and in other places, that nothing is more baneful to a state than class legislation. That I can uederstand. But what is class legislation ? It means legis lation in favour of a class, because in the assembly where the legislation takes piece that class preponderates. I agree that that is legislation of the most vicious character. But the results of the representation of class interests would not be the same as class legislation is likely to lead to It would naturally lead to exactly different con sequences, inasmuch as the premises are exactly con trary ; and I have always heard it maintained that no principle of popular representation is more sound than the representation of classes. (Hear, hear.) Is this the place where we should maintain a different doctrine I Are not we who are some of us members for counties, some for towns, and some for universities, all of us re presentatives of class interests? And I want to know what has made our Parliament so Successful and so fa• mous but the circumstance that it has always been an assembly which represented class interest'. (Cheers.) Well, Sir, so far therefore as regards the construe ion of this Council on the principle of nomination, I do main tain that if that principle of nomination be adopted by the Crown it should be limited, and that if you have a numerous and real council it should not extend beyond one moiety of the members of that Council. How are you to obtain the other ? I mention this subject because if we can arrive at a conclusion on that point by the tame whoa we are to decide on the resolutions which wid soon be before the house we shall find our discussion much iacilitated. I say, if you have this Council consti tuted with a power of nomination by the Crown to be exercised to the extent of one-half cf it, how are you to obtain the other I can see no means of obtaining men of the character necessary for taking part in the govern menth of India—men possessing independence and high qualities, together with experience and s p ecial kno rinci ledge, unless you have recourse to the electivei is P very pie. (Rear, Lear.) But, Sir, the elective prime p much objected to. We hear it is unconstitution al Royal and salaried councillor should be ireense difficulty popular voice. Well, Sir, I admit thbeiisrobased on the un -1 encountering any argument "je er yet found any deli.- enistitutonal objection . I have nwevhich, except the term °. te a Cl ed b t y ha t t h a e eitieti of that epithet. It is oncl7scuesion than anything " un-English," more baffles elect a Royal and salaried else. (A laugh.) That t i c) we dealing with, as practichathe this B great h questionat are official is anomalous I fry Are a e not dealing mfuegnar,denian'tietst anomaly that has exiled in modern times—the What is the charecter m E p a a East — I w d India t is Companythecha! you not 'suspended the elective committee . ? (Hear.) What are the members Executive power of the Crown in order to delegate it t• ' an meter of its whole career? Have ' of the Court of llfrecters? Are they not in the language ef your laws the trustees of the Crown, and do they not receive salaries wheu elected ? And what is there mere unconstitutional in a royal and salaried council than in a royal and salaried trustee (Cheers.) Well, I think that that is an objection against the elective principle which cannot be maintained. But, if the councillors are to be elected, by whom should they be elected ? (Hear.) sir, in the resolutions ou the table we have indicated one source from which they are to be elected in our opi nion, and let me ray one word about that, Now, valet. i ever may be the faulteeef the East India direction, al will admit that by "the limited and ridicolouee",as the noele lord the member for Tiverton described the cone stituency that produces them, very able and eminent men have been elected into that council. No man cam urge it as an argument for the destruction of the East India Company that the East India directors have been inefficient men. On the contrary, it is notorious that those men, elected by this "limited and ridiculous con stituency," have been on the average far above the usual rate of public men in point of ability and ; intelligence. (Hear.) Well, then, we have proposed a constituency to elect a certain number of persons of a.character analo gous to that constituency which at present existseand has for so long a period produced such efficient representa tives, but infinitely improved in two great respeots. In the first place, it is much more numerous; and in the se cond, it is infinitely more varied. I have get a paper berg with h;thi that side h I shall not trouble the house—drawn up with great care, which has been placed in my hands since froml bad th e honour of introducing the bill whi c h e m a nated o t f lie th c e oa h s o t u it s u e e ; n a cy nd to it w a h p i p e e h ar w s e fr p om rapo t s b e i l doeuineir il oo t O ff tcdhael:lei powe r t g la a n i d e ia( t hn h e e acro) u_nac d o f returningwould u lld ainm the reminded electivenu mberhave my membersbeen hob f t r w ie e s e d n 7 n ,o e o a o r a ni nd e, B, aOlOlO, of and i t capital p r i e t p a r l e s. '*vested n y t e. e s d i e 5 d 8, ; 0:0 1 ,0 13 0 d 0 i fe a n h e o w n. l g ed en ia t n le c m o (Cheers) But there is an o b ject i on which I know hag hem u pd s s e a n n st ; itu but what w hi c h is, that it will , be impossible to canvass the e m ney, (H w ear c ) the "il g e ;e r a , t h a e r a g r Ument used against the Company when we renewed the charter in 1853 ? True it was that very able men on the whole were elected by the constituency cha racterised by the noble lord (Lord Palmerston) as " limited and ridiculous ;" but it is not the less true, as was then urged, that that constituency did entail on those who solicited their suffrages a condition of affairs so degrading that the most eminent men would not sub mit to it. (Cheers) The difficulty ascribed to our new constituency is, that it will be impossible to canvass it. I think that is one of its great recommendations. I think it would be a great improvement on the existing state of things that men who aspired to sit in the Indian Conn cil should simply issue their addresses to the constituency and stand on their character, and on that alone. (Cheers.) In devising the construction of this Royal Council, which is the great question that must engage the attention, and the deep attention of this house, if they mean to legislate with effect for India, we had to consider whe ther it was not important to bring the effect of English opinion upon that special Indian knowledge with which by the proposition to which I have adverted we had amply furnished the Council. Unless this could be effected the inconvenience and the evil were obvious. Men, it was said, who had served in the military and civil services in India might he gifted with great intelli gence end possess greatknoe ledge, but, born in thenbuses of a system, they are not sensible of their existence. If, on the other hand, you send to your Indian Government Englishmen animated only by English feelings, while on the one hand you have merely Indian special knowledge t w a h n i t c s h o E f i rig .d li i s a h f p o r r ot a e n c y tio g a g n h c t e t w o h s i e c c h u t r h e e t y o to guide your aff a ir s , y ou canno t o b ta i n t h at re d ress ton ro th a e y in su b ff ab er i ; On the other hand, if you have a merely English ele ment, you have the consequences which must result from thamennere, liabete, and the laws of the people of the various nations of India being outraged. You have die m b re,ie and disaffection. You must combine both the conservative and r+ forming eiements so that there may be a due belaece of the advantages and qualities of both, especially of lcdian knowledge and English opinion. (Hoar, hear.) Hew is that to be done ? Who are to be elected ? You could barely pl'Opoee to elect members of council from the agricultural interest. The agricul tural class has in no respect en inetaet or immediate in terest in the welfme f India. If India were lost to ram row it would be nothing more to the ag'latltural in terest than it weula be to the great body of the people from the general impoverishment of the community. ' (Hear, Lear.) But there are persons among us who have an instant and immediate interest in the wellbeing of India, and to wh nu the good government of India is an obj-et of the first necessity, because they send their manufactures to the population of that country, and on it they must depend for their most important raw mate• rials. (Hear.) They have a positive, and instant inte rest in the good government of India, because they can not have the population of that country as good custo mers unless they are well governed. (Hear.) Jf there qe wanieg a plea of the truth and soundness of what I state, lock at what ha, been the course e f what is called Indian reform in thh , l country. Where eas the question of Indian reform first t rought ferward ? Have the peep'e of England ever cared ono jot about reform in India No ; and for the simple reason, which I bare 'before stated to the house, because the pecple of England do net pay for India—(hear)—because so long as Indian fiearice is separsned from English finance, and so long as the people of Erg'and do net pay in consequence c f the misgovernment of that country, they will care nothing for Indian reform. (Hear, hear.) But a cry for In dian reform did come, and whence from ? • From Lanca shire. (Hear.) The people there knew very well that if the resources of India worn exleauted by unjust and impolitic verve, that if those resources were not developed their trade most suffer, and their prosperity be affected, and therefore it was from that part of the country that the cry for Indian reform came,. which said, Give us a Government that will secure for us opulent customers, and who will return fer cur Inanuf.4ctured articles plenty of the raw material. (He: r, hear.) Indian reform, though it involves sonic of the highest c:tnsiderations that can occupy the minds e f statesmen, and even touch the heart f nations, has never for a moment occupied the mind but t f a comparatively diminutive circle—those engaged in the great seats e f commerce and manufactures in this country. We therefore thought it was a wise and expedie ent proposition, as I believe it to be still, to hung repre sentatives of these interests into the Indian Council. (Hear.) I shall not now touch on the constitutional of jec tion, because t bat was disposed of in reference to the In dian constituencies, and it is not mere unconstitutional to he elec ed by Indian coninittnencies than by those we propose in thi4 instance. (Weir.) In coming to the con clusien that the great seals of trade should, to a certain degree, he represented, we could not confine ourselves to the pedantry of selecting of ly those places that were most remarkable for their commercial relations with India. ([leer.) As necanee statesmen e e had to corn i ler the 6a we of all the three rations of wbich this united empire is compeentd ; and, first, we proposed that the city of .Leridon should ho repreeeeted in the ceuncil. We were not unmindful of the anomalous position of the c ty of Loudo n with r. geed to its metrepel tan districts ; but when legieleting on such a matter as this you must take the ma eriele beene you. (Heat.) The city of London was the great and ancieut emporium of this country ; its port he great seat of trade, its relations with Indian ro:oneerce close and extensive, and if a e had attempted to deal on a large scale with the n hole rnetrepolitan population the whole scheme would have fallen to the grout d. (Hear, hear.) Teen we tick the greatest commercial city in Scotland—one haVing very large relations with India. But, indeed, it would be impossible to make a proposition of any kind without acknowledging the claims of India. I should like to know who would have taade a proposi ion to pass over Ireland. I can fancy the indignant invective with which such a proposal would have been n ceived ; but inae much as we passed over the capital of Scotland the capital of Ireland could not be offended because it was not included. (hear.) We took in its stead the great and prosperous town of Belfast, which at this moment eras no considerable eelations with India ; but between all lame manufacturing and commercial towns there is a sympa thy that binds them together — Man c hes t er , for example sy mpathizing with Belfast, and Belfast with Manchester —Liverpool with Glasgow, and Glasgow again with Liverpool. (Hear.) We proposed to have these three cities—London, Glasgow, and Belfast— represented in the council, and to these were added those special seats of industry that depend more upon India than any other interest in this country—Man chester and Liverpool. (Hear, hear.) Hew can the representatives of these places be chosen 1 I now come to the great objection that is felt rather than urged in this House. It has been suggested to me over and over again since I made that proposition that in the Chambers of Commerce and the municipalities of each of those towns we might have found a sufficient con stituency for our purpose. I think I need not inform the House that this expedient had occurred to us before ; but no one can maintain that a Chamber of Commerce, composed as it is of the most fleeting and evanescent material', can be taken as a constituency. (Hear.) And as regards the municipalities it was obvi ous to us that they would only be the means by which the patronage of the council would be divided among a small number of families in the great towns ; and therefore we availed ourselves of that machinery which was ready at hand, and which has been stigmatised with so much alacrity in this House and in other places—viz., tbe at beard Parliamentary ma constituencies. (Hear, hear.) I f have b n ut I have heard arguments against that propositio: argument. I have something else which has super s e d ed atumeiy and every epithet beard every phrase of " out upon that proposie of indignation pouredhed to whom we wish to commit tion and upon the r ) E verybody, in every place, and on that trust. (Hear) to be astonished that what was every occasion, called stew-pounder should for a mo ment be intrusted with this fra nchise. the (Cheers and laughter from Mi nisterial bench es. ) Nor can I forget, and never shall I Imos t awe-struck tones one hon. mem berforget, the a to ask rea I d • l • an serous y desgned tba rose is ty s h ou ld be intrusted y to the freemen i of Liver t o l e du e (Laughter.) On that subject I would only wish s t • e;_ n ight to offer the result of my reflection and observa tion. I cannot for a moment attempt to compete with that power of sarcasm and invective with which the great body of the constituency of England, and especially of the great commercial towns, have been treated by tee Liberal party. (Cheers and laughter.) But I remem ber that some 40 years ago the freemen of Liverpcol were called upon to exercise their trust and elect a mem ber of Parliament, acrd that they sent to this hot it 3 Mr. Canning. (Cheers.) And what did we do in this house when we got Mr. Canning here Why, we made him fee soon a,. possible President of the Board of Control. (Hear.) And can the freemen cf Liverpool not lee in tr with electing a member of the Indian Council, wh-n a men they did elect was thought trustworthy enough to b appointed President of the Board of Con trol ? ar.) What happened a few years afterwards' Mr. Canning thought right to retire from office, to quit those colleagues with whom he had long acted, and, except retainiuing his seat in Parliament, retired into private life. There was another election, and the free• men of Liverpool again returned Mr. Canning, no longer a Minister, to this house. And what happened then I Why, his Majesty King George IV.--who wtasatntnt im p e ar. ticularly attracted towards Mr:Canning a pear" made him Govarnor-General of India. (Hear t . ) h lta p therefore that the freemen of Liverpool were quiteeaga cious and intelligent enough to elect a man competent to be Governor General of India. But Mr. Canning did A higher an d n obler t . y CI m not accept that office. • CADETSHIPS IN THE ROYAL ARTILLERY AND ROYAY[ENGINEERS. Supply,—Order for Committee read ; motion made, and question proposed, " That M Speaker do now leave the chair :"—Amendment proposed, to leave out from the word " that" to the end of the question, in order to add the words "an bumble address be presented to her Majesty, praying her Majesty that no a lteration may be made in the principle of the existing arrangements which regulate the admission to cadetships in the Royal Artillery and Royal Engineers," instead thereof :—Qustion put, " That the words proposed to bo left out stand part of the question," The house divided : Ayes 177, Noes 217. AYES-177. Adams, W. H. Fitzroy, Henry Maxwell, J. Adderley, C. B. Fmk, Colonel Miles, W. Aear-Ellis, Hon. L. G. Forester, Col. Miller, Stearn Alexander, J. Forstc r, Sir Geo. Mills, Arthur 1 Antrobus, E. Frazer, Sir W. Milnes, R. Bailey, C. Gallwey, Si r IV. 3iontgomery, 11. L. Bantle, H. Galway, Viscount Montgomery, Sir G. Baring, T. Gard, R. Morgan, 0. Bernard, T. Gaskell, J. Mowbray, J. R. Bathurst, A. A. Gavin, Major Naas, Lord Beach, W. Gilpin, Col. H. Neeld, John Bective, Earl Gladstone, W. Newark, Viscount Beecroft, G. Graham, Sir J. Newport, Viscount Bennet, Capt. P. Greaves, E. Nisbet, R. P. Bentinck, G. Greenall, Gilbert Neel, G. Beresford, Rt. Hn. W. Gray, Captain North, Col. I. Blackburn, Peter llamilton, Lord Claud Parke, C. Boldero, Col. H. G. Hamilton, U. A. Pakington, Sir J. Bovill, IV. Hardy, G. Palk, L. Bramley-Moore, J. Hartington, Marquis Paull, Henry Bramston, T. W Ilay, Lord John Peel, Gen. Bridges, Sir B. Hayes, Sir E. Repton, G. Bruce, Major Headlam, T. Robertson, P. Bruen, H. Heathcoate, Sir W. Rust, James Bunbury, W. B. Henley, J. Sciater, George Cairns, H. Herbert, S. Scott, F. Comae, Sir J. R. Hill, Hon. R. Scott, Major Cartwright, H. Hodgson ' William Seymer, H. Cayley, E. S. Belford, R. Sibthorp, Major Charlesworth,J. C.D. Hopwood, John Smith, Sir ie. Child, Smith Hornby, W. Snaollett, A. Christy, Samuel Horgan, T. Somerset, Colonel Clive, R. Hutt, W. Spooner, R. Close, M. Ingestre, Viscount Stanhope, J. Cobbuld, J.O l Inglie, John Stanley, Lord Coclrington, Sir C. W. Johnstone, 11.8. Stephenson, Robert Cole, H. A. Kendall, N. Stirling, W. Conolly, T. Ker, Richard Sturt, H. Corry, H. T. L. Kerrison, Sir E. Taylor, S. Cross, It. A. King, J. Vansittart, G. Cubitt, W Kingacote, Capt. R. Vansittart, W. Curzon, Viscount Knatchbull, W. Verner, Sir IV. Dalkeith, Earl Knight, F. Walcott, Admiral. Darner, L. D Knightley, R. Walpole, S. Deedes, William Knox, Col. B. W. Warren, S. Disraeli, B. Langton, W. G. Welby, W. Dobbs, W. C. Laurie, John Whiteside, J. Dud, J. Legh, G. C. Whitmore, IL Du Cane, C. Lennox, Lord A. F. Willoughby, Sir I. East, Sir J. Lennox, Lord H. G. Willson, A. Edwards, Henry Liddell, H. G. Woodd, B. Egerton, Sir P. Lovaine, Lord Wortley, Major Egerton, W. Lyall, ileorge Wyndham, General Elphinstone, Sir J. Lygon, Hon.F. Wynn, Col. Elton, Sir A. H. Lytton, Sir E. Wynn, S'r W. Estcourt, T. Maeartney, George Wynne, J. A. Farnham, E. M'Clinteci, John Yorke, E. Fariuhar, Sir M. Malins, Richard TELLES& Fellowes, E. Manners, Lord J. ' Jolliffe, Sir W. Fitzgerald, W. R. S. March, Earl of Taylor, Colonel NOES-217. Adeane, H. Freestun, Colonel Paxton, Sir J Akroyd, E. Garnett, William Perry, Sir E. A lcock, T. Gibson, Milner Philips, R. Ashley, Lord Gifford, Earl of Pilkington, J. Atherton, Vir. Glyn, G. Pinney, Col. Ayrton, A. Goderich, Viscount Price, IV. Bagwell, John Greene, John Pritchard, J. Baines, Rt. lion. M. Greenwood, John Puller, Christopher Barnard, Thomas Gregory, W. Ramsay, Sir A. Bass, M. Gregson, Samuel Rawil' son, Sir 11. Baxter, W. Grenfell, Charles W. Rebow, J. Black, Adam Griffith, C. Ricardo, 0. Blake, J. Grogan. Edward Richardson, J. Bonham-Carter, J. Garden, Bram oton Ridley, George Bouverie, lion. E. P. Gurney, Samuel Roebuck, J. A. Bouverie, H on . P. Hall, Sir Benjamin Roupvll, W. Bowyer. G. li,onilton, J. Russell, Lord J. Brand, lion. 11. ilarnilton, Capt. Russell, H. Briscoe, John Banbury, Robert Russell, A. Brocklehurst, J. Handley, H. Russell, F. W. Brown, IV. Hanley, T. Schneider, Henry Bruce, 11. A. Hamner; Sir John Scholefield, W. Buchanan, Walter Ilardeast:e, Joseph Seymour, Danby Buckley, Gen. Harris, J. D. Shelley, Sir J. Buller, J. W. 11.isserd, Michael Smith, J. A. Burghley, Lord Ilatodell, John. Smith, A. Bury, Viscount Hayur, W Somerville, Sir W. Butt, 14 Hodgson, K. Stafford, Marquis Buxton, C. Borman, E. Stapleton, John Buxto i, Sir E. N. Boward, Lord E. Steel, John Byng, G. 11. C. Ingham, It. Stuart, Lord J. Caird, J.l Jackson, IV., Stuart, Colonel Calcraft, J. Jervolse, Sir J. Stunt, C. Calcott, M. Kershaw, J. 'Sullivan, Michael Campbell, It. King, L. Sykes, Colonel Cardwell, E King, Edward Talbot, C. Cavendish, W. Kinglike, A. Tancred, H. Chohneley, Sir M. Kinghike, J. Tempest, Lord A. V. Cla k, J. Kinnaird, A. Thompson, General Clay, James Kirk, IV. Tite, W. Chac), Lord R. Knatch bull-Hagues gen Tollemache, F. Clive, George Langston, J. ii. Totaline, G. Cobbett, J. Si. Langton, U. ti. Trelawny, Sir J. Cogan, W. H. F. Lefroy, Anthony Truinnu, C. Coningham, W. Lincola, Earl of Turner, J. A. Conyngham, Lord F. Locke, J. Vance, John Corbally, M. E. Locke, Jo:,n Vane, Lord H. Cowan, C. Lowe, R. Vivian, 11. 11. Cox, W. - Macarthy, Alex. Waldron, Laurence Craufurd, E. H. J. MiCanii , J. Warre, John Crawford, R. W. MacEvoy, E. Watkins, Col. Dalglish, R. Mackie, J. Wegnelin, T. Davey, R. Mackinnon, W. Western, S Deasy, R. Maguire, J. F. Westhead, Joshua .Deulson, W. H. Mangles, R. D. Whatinan, J. De Vere, S. E. Mangles, C. Whitbread, S. Devereux, J. Martin, C. White, James Dili vvyn, L. L. Martin, P. Wickham, H. Duff, M. Mellor, John Willcox, C. Duff, L. Mills, 1:. Williams, W. Ennis, John Moffat, G. Williams, S.r W. Esmonde, J. Monorail', J. Willyams, B. Evans, T. W. Morris, D. Wilson, J. Evart, J. Napier, Sir C. Wilmington, Sir T. Fagan, W. ;droll, D. Wins, J. Finlay, A. Norreys, Sir D. Wood, W. Fitzgerald, J. O'Brien, I'. Wo As, Henry Foley, J. 11. O'Con'thll, I) Wyld, Janes Foley, H. W. O'Donoghoe. The Young, A. Forster, Charles Ogilvy, 'air J. Foster, W. 0. Osborne, E. Fortescue, Hon. F. Paget, C. Fortescue, C. S. Paget, Lord A. Fox, W. J. Paget, Lord C. T ELLERS. Monsell, n. Vivian, J. C. EXCISE DUTIES BILL. Order for second reading read; motion made and question proposed, " That the bill be now read a second time :" - -Amendment proposed, to leave out the word " now," and at the end of the questio'a to acid the words " upon this day six months" Question put, " That the word now' stand part of the question." The house divided —Ayes 227, Noes 35. NOES-35. Agar-Ellis, Hou. L. Fagan, W. Bagwell, John Fitzgerald, J. Blake, J, Gavin, Major Bowyer, G. Greene, John Bruen, 11. Gregory, W. Cogan, W. U. F. Grogan, Edward Conyngharn, Lord F. Hatch 11, J. Conolly, T. Hayes, Sir B. Corbally, M. E. Kirk, W. Deasy, R. Macarthy, A. D: Vere, S. )11‘cann, J. Doveretta, J. T. MacEvoy, E. Ennis, John Maguire, J. Ilfousell, W. O'Connell, U. O'Donoghoe, The R ichardson, J. Russell, F. W. Michael Thompson, Gen. Vance, J. Waldron, L. TELLERS. 0' B rien, I'. Esmonde, J. IMVERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF COMMONS. —(YESTERDAY.) CHURCH-RA.TES, Mr. LYGON gave notice that he should, to-morrow, move for leave to introduce a bill for the abolition of church -rates. THE GOVERNMENT OF INDIA. The orders of the day having been postponed unti after the notice of motion on this subject, The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, —I rise to move that on Friday next this house do resolve itself into a committee to consider the Act of the Queen which provides for the government of India, in order that I may then have an opportunity of proposing those resolutions which I have already laid upon the table of the house. I think it would facilitate the progress of affairs connected with this great subject if the house would permit me to take this opportunity of bricfly, and I lone temperately, reviewing what has oa curred during the present session respecting it. At the beginning of the year it transpired that it was the inten tion of her Majesty's then Ministry to propose the trans fer of the government of India from the East India Com pany to the Crown ; and, accordingly, very shortly after the meeting of Parliament, the noble lord opposite him self asked leave to introduce a measure to accomplish that object, stating with great and requisite detail what were the provisions of the bill. On that occasion an hon. gentleman who had presided over the great committee on Indian matters which sat in this house in the year 1853-4, and who was well entitled for other reasons to claim the attention of the house—not commuricating with any party, but acting entirely from his own conviction—pro posed an amendment expressing the opinion of the hose that it was inexpedient at this time to legislate thenoiTions of Governmentthehouse Upon ouflnndtiha.at point, Whatever there mayw be were e E the doubt very plausible and very cogent reasons why that amendment should have been favourably received. The state of India at this moment, hardly reviving from an extensive rebellion, with an important part of that country still the seat of doubtful war—the suddenness of the Ministerial proposition, and the grave conse quences which might result from it,—aed this certainly u we precipitately entertained so vast a propos i t i on. Th a t a mendment, I ma y remind the h ouse , was amply and u n s is d h e e d r a abi y d goo d d o n e s a e a • why we should hesitate before It was rej ec t e d by a very large —by what is Gal led AR o verwhelming—majority, and by furnished that majority the n o ble lord obtained permission to in troduce his mea sure. I apprehend the noble lord really formally obtained nothing else. a reason (Hear.) None of the details of the noble lord's measure were sanctioned by that vote, and I should have said, generally speaking, none of Prir &pies contained in it. But I think it would not be candid unless we admitted th at, besides permission to introduce the measure, we had a right from the general tone an d tendency of the debate to infer that the opinion of the House of Co•-amons, without giving any verdict in cult p osition almost immediately after in which this important q uestion favour of the me asure, was in favour of the transfer of the governmen tof India fro m the Company to the Crown. Ra tbatlarge maj irity , a change of government took place, a nd those who th en beca me responsible for affairs bad to consider was plac ed. The y had to consider, in the first place, in what relat ion th e new Government would stand with respect to the House of Commons, which had b y so large-a mei • o rity announced their opi n i on that this trans fer of the gover nment from th e East India Comp an y to the Crown should take p lace . They had to take i nto (Hear.) Very t hev ery unex pected l y, d diffi cult Leasing Companies Ln. &N. W. Caledon... 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Preference 1 100 N.E. Berw. 4 p.c.Prf 8i Do. do. do 13 Do. Leeds 6 pc. No. 1 9 Do. do. Qrs., 1848 10 Do. York IL& S. Pur all North Staffordshire 100 Ox., Wor. & Wolv. 6 p.c., Ist guar. 1.00 Do, .c. 2d guar :100 Do. do. Debeatr. St all Scot. Cent.Ncw Pref. 100 i Sc.N.E.Al•er.g.Op.c. 1.00 ! Do. do. 7 p.c. pf. St. I 1100 Do. do.3i p.c. pf. St all 'South Devon all iDo. fixed 4 . pr cent 6 1 all S. Eastern (Reading Ann.) of £1 Os, 6d b .l , 100 Do. , q per cent , 100 Do. Fixed 41 p.c. Sh 100 Do. New 4i pr. cent 100 S. Wales Gua. 4 p. c. , 100 Do. do. 41 p. c all S.Yorksh.4p.e.Guar all Stock. &Dar., sp, c 19 Do. do. do. t. 100 !Waterfd& Kilk. 6 pc 12A 25 20 St. BRITISH i 2 Altred Cons. tPhilk. 14 British Iron 20 Condurow (Cambrn,) 1 IDev.Gt.Cusis; (Ta,v.); 30 East Basset (ll!oganY 17s Great South Tolgus 1715 rt. W. Alfrd. (Philk.) 7 g 'Grt.W. Vor (Helstu. 17s Lady Bertha S N. Frances (IIlogau) N.W.Basset (Illogan) 6 . 115 North Wheal Crofty 4 Par. Cons. (St.Blaxy) 9 Porkellis U. (Wend.) 6s. Sort. Cons. Min. Co. 2? S. Caradou (St. Cleeq 2 S. Carn Brea (IIlogn.), 19 S.W. Frances(lllogn.) 44 Pain. S. Kt L. Min. Co 9 Tin Croft 10 Un.Mines (G wennap) 1256 V. of Towcy (Camar.) 14 W. Basset (Illogan) 20 W. Caradon (Liskrd ) 5h Wh. Basset (Illogan) 5 Wh. Buller (Rdruth). 54 Wh. Edward(Calstelt) , 117 s Wh. Kitty (U. Llant) 8 Wh.Ma.Ann (Menht.), 44 Wh. Trelawney (Lis. ) I PREFERENCE SHARES• ••• - ... 94 - 96 Eli • e . 108 - 105 - 110 - 127 - ••• .'" 112 110 117 115 132 72 1:: ii di -- lii 110 - 112 102 - 101 62 -- 101 -- 94 . 89 101 10 5 i - 92 - 93 - 9i - 16 - 18A - 4 13 - 138 19. 14§. - 140 1160 - 165 118 - 122 ' i - 4 66 - 68 137 - [39 99 - 101 92 - 54 i'.6i 2 iii 1106 - 108 - 91 - Ira 22 23 115 - 105 - 8 - 119 - 121 U 5 - 127 74 - 76 10 - lu 24 -- 21 101 -- 193 101 -- 103 101 -- 16 ... - ... 2n - 2? - ;t) 7 A 1 lOs. 45 27 10 all !O 15 1 I all 2 all ;0 all 3 all 5 1i 1 all 1 all 1 all 20 all 5 1 SO 16i MISCELLANEOUS. 1000 900 Atlantic Tel. (Lim.) ... 25 . 19 Australian Agricult 28 30 28i i 9 10 all lAustraln. Royal Mail 1i .- 14 10 all Berlin Water Works. 3 44 10 2 Do. New iss. at Si. d ... ... 50 40 ißrit. American Land . . ... 100 324 Canada lig 140 135 St. 100 Do.Go.6pc.Jan&July 115 116 115 i t St. all Copper MM. of Eng. 25 30 `45 all Do. Pref, 7 4 p. cent. 25 27 5 all Crystal Palace li 1 5 all !Do. Preference 4 all Crystal Pal, of France ... --- 20 all Eastern Steam 34 4 St. i 1 100 ElectricTelegrap lOl 106 1 all Electric Tel. of Irel. ... ... 5 all En.&Aust.Cop.SmCo l i l 12 10 IN. Eur. & lnd,Jctn. Tel. ... 9 all : Eur. &Am. Stm.(lim.) 4 44 . 20 ‘II ',Gen. Ir.Sc.Col.(lim.) ... ... 15 14 j Gen. Steam Navigat. ..„ . 20 5 ',London Discount 4 all 'Loud. Gen. Omnibus 31 3i 3 1 20 10 Magdalena St. Navig. „.. ... 10 all 11,1editers.n. Elec. Tel. 7 8 10 all j Do. Extension Teleg. .. .. 10 all Mexican &S. AMCIieD .. __ . 25 5 Nat. Discount Co i i- I ti i 10 6 (Netherlands Laud. ,,, i —li 10 all ;Do. Do. 5 all, Do.B p.c.Pf.iss.at ld. 2 24 21 5 3 Do. Do. 100 80 New dc, &N. S. Land 16 20 St. 100 N.S.W. Gov.s p.c.D. 99 100 994 1 all N . . B. Australasian... i I / ' 20 all OrientalNrth. Gas fEnropeSteam 2 8 1 1 10e. Do New Shares id ip 5 an Peellir. Igl. & Minrl ll 24 11 2 50 all Peninsular it Oriental/ 78 80 $79 8i 50 10 Do. New . 64 7bl 50 all Rhyrane7 Iron 100 60 Royal Mail Steam 6O - - 62 1 all 3cot. Austral. Invest ll 11 11 St. 100 "B.Aus, Gov. 6 p.c.bde. 108 110 26 all South Austral. Land 35 35 1 all Submarine Tel. Scrip i 1 \ 1 all Do. Registered 20 5 Trus.Ln.Co. Up. Can .. _ . 100, 28i , Pan Diemen's LAW I 4 .A -T. lii 15 j FOREIGN Australian Bon Accord Cop. (li.) Brazilianlmp.(iisued at .C 5 pm) Do. Comes ei Cala& Do. St. John Del Rey Clarendon Con. Min. Co. of Jamaica Cobra Copper Copiapo Dun Mountain Cop- per Mining Co Fortuna General Linares Lusitanian Mariquita New Granada Novean Monde Pont.SiLLdM.dt Smli Port Philip , Santiago de Cuba , United Mexican MINES. 10,i- 11.4 3 - 4 f 8) - :10 [450 - 470 1 90 - 100 13 - 14 5 - 6 . i. -- 2 1 - 1 1 GI - 73 1 gi - lq 4 5 , ) iri --18,1 11 - 40 0 4 - .2:.0 -- 220 1 3i - 4 1 i 1 23 —. 24 10) 110 210 220 280 - 3 t 0 bi 51 p —10 i 1 43 - - 4 b 1 24 ~..., LA., tINJ • T •= 7- T i - i P ii - 2i . o . .-- •.• 13 -- 14 13 L 5 id 21 2 1 17 gi -- 10 1 I ... .•. 6 - 7 i ii 3a 34 130 1 2 111 i 93i 3 95 4 1371 81 1001 i n h 111 10i 1311 13 201 100 100 100 100 100 100 N I 371 t