The Sun. — London, England, 1829-03-12 00:00:00

tVASION OP THE CORN LAWS. Ail application having been made, by the Chamber of C ommerce at Newry, to the Right Hon. W. V. Fitzgerald, p resident of the Board of Trade, on the subject of the non- Iltursi. of Irish grain in the English markets (whereby for ests grain tine been admitted to consumption at a lower "uty than that contemplated by the Act of Parliament), the following answer bee been received from that Gentle -414n, and we doubt not that the investigation now on foot Will be attended by the most beneficial consequences to the agricultural interests of Ireland " Board of Trade, Whitehall, Feb. 28, 1828. reply to your letter of the 23d inst., calling f irs attention of his Majesty's Government to the apparent °m►ssion of the return of Irish Corn at the Port of Liver- P OOl , I hare the honour to inform you, that the case hay lx,en under consideration, directions have been given r° ►nstitute an inquiry into the circumstance, and to coin- Men ne- prosecutions to recover the penalties in those in- I taucto where the evidence is sufficiently clear to afford a reasonable prospect of convicting the offenders. • ". r hope these measures will be found effectual to pre vent the occurrence of such conduct in future.—l have the honou r to be, Sir, your most obedient servant, _ _ " W. V. FITZGERALD. ." To Smithson Corry, EN. President, Chamber of Commerce, Newry." CATHOLIC EMANCIPATION-MEETING AT NEWCASTLE ON TUESDAY. o THE EDITOR OF THE SUN. .ia—TTheO Meeting called by the Mayor, on the subject of the Cat' r • eele i s • % . 1 ° le Cleestion has been held here to-day. The . 1 ion for holding the meeting was signed by a great c omitrit i y y of the most respectable inhabitants of the town, c as . gat up, in co nseq u e nce of hole.and-corner peti emg been put into a course of signature, by cer tts of the clergy, who had formed an holy alliance for t a t e p a rpose with th e W es l e y an Methodists. The means ti to obtain signatures to these petitions were molt u'ograteful, they were deposited in the vestries of the four Parish churchee--.e , N o Popery" placards, intimating that the Protestant petitions were leering there for signature, Were placed at the doors of the churches—parish paupers, troops of children, and the farmers' servants, who came to t he markets with their carts from all parts of the counties of Northumberland and Durham, were induced to affix their signatures—so that numbers were not wanting. These petitions were prepared by a member of the Este blidied Church, and he had introduced an expression of the unalterable attachment of the petitioners to the exist lug Constitution in Church and State. This petition was sent to the Brunswick Methodist Chapel from the vestry of St. Nicholas, the principal pa rish is the town. The Methodists, however, refused to louction the petition, unless the profession of attachment to Citeret, and State" was withdrawn, and the Here- Ir a Clerg y of the establishment actually c onsented to have it words expunged, that they might obtain the assistance of a Methodist mob. These degrading proceedings were the cause of the re quisition for the public meeting above alluded to, and the Mayor was pleased to appoint the meeting in the Guild hail, the place in which all public meetings of the inhabi tants of this town have been held from tine immemorial, and which has never yet been found insufficient for the itcea unnodation o f all prsons who wished to attend. The holy allies became alarmed at this proceeding—they fore hall a m o b of that it would be impossible to seluggle into the Guild the count poor ignorant Methodists from all parts of te '3 l , and they th ere f ore go t u p a requisition to the aor to hang s the place of meeting from the Guildhall to an open held calld the Spite!, under pretence of having ne , e question more fully discussed. The ;Mayor was induced tO. rantg this request, from a strong desire that no pretence should be afforded for accusing him of partiality ; but the , !eutletnen who hail the original requisition sent a depu tation to inform his 'Worship that they regretted exceedingly te at the pl ace of meeting had' been changed—that it would of us e l ess to attempt any sort of discussion in the presence a mob, not one half of whom could possibly hear what r ° k ed; but that th ey wou ld, notwithstanding, attend and their duty, although it was certain that no proceedings Which t oo k place then could be considered as expressing lbs sense of the inhabitants of Newcastle. The very no velty ( if • public meeting in an open field could not fail to attract the attendance of the populace of this densely • ,_ l4° P l 'd neighbourhood ; the Methodist class-leaders were Z • toi le to exert themselves among their congregations, and result hits verified what was anticipated. Hustings adjoining each other were erected by the re. s a t ire parties, and the Mayor took the chair in th e ce nt r e o f the hustings at one o'clock, the hour appointed for the • Meeting. The assemblage of people was very great, about eight or ten thousand being calculated to be present, and the business of the day was opened by Joseph Lamb, I eg. in a neat and animated speech, which he concluded by proposing the adoption of a petition, in terms of the re quisition. This was seconded by Dr. Headlam, in a very ,-, able and argumentative speech, but it was quite evident that nothing like fair discussion could took place at that • meeting : a clergyman of the Established Church, aided by several Methodist preachers, acted as fluglemen in giving signals to the mob, whose deafening shouts rendered it quite impossible to hear a single word at the distance of More than two or three yards from the speaker. It then appeared to be the feeling of the respectable part of the gentlemen upon the hustings, that it would be ne • e %wiry for the Mayor to dissolve the meeting, without ° °taing to any decision ; bat the mob having become less Clanlorous, it was deemed expedient to go on. The other speakers in favour of the requisition were— . James.„ Loeb, Es q. an d M r. O r d , son o f Willi am O r d, E sq . 44 . P. Many ot h er gentlemen were prepare d to a dd ress the meeting on the same aide, but no arguments being ad .. e slneed by the opposite party, whose efforts were exclusively ' elurt ed to produce a clamour amongst the mob (with the :,,,exception of a pettifogging objection on a point of form, 41trud uced for the purpose of preventing all discussion, ' •• • I ttul which was decided against therm by the Mayor), it was & wed useless; to address any further observations to the t 7eein g ; and upon the question of the adoption or rejee i'h of the p e ti t i on b e i ng put to t h e meet i ng b y th e Mayor, W Worship d ec l are d hi s op i n i on th at th e s h o w of hands ee. against the petition. Su great, however, had been the effect of the few argu ' t !,.'"'t B in fav our o f th e p e titi on w hi c h it h a d b een p o ssible , ^)t the assembled multitude to hear, that a considerable • ~P 4rt of th e p eo pl e i n f ron t o f th e h ust i ngs h a d ev id e ntly — ' a uged their minds, and held up their hands in favour of tie: petition, sad the votes in consequence appeared to be so sl y eftgal, that the Mayor thought it right to request the ee.„P ar tLea to divide themselves into separate bodies. It a ppeared that there was a majority against the peti lialt of about five to four, and the Mayor decided accord inglyL The whole of the wealth, talent, and respecta bility of the town were arranged upon the hustings appro- Prieted to the use of the supporters of the petition, while the appearance on the hustings used by the opposite party W as perfectly ludicrous, and more resembled an exhibition of itiuerant mountebanks than any thing else which can 14 conceived. Their great gun, (a Mr. West, a Methodist keasher) was candid enough to admit that he was pre- Pared with no urguments against the petition ; but instead arguments, we were treated by Mr. Chapman, another °f their champion, with en enumeration of the names of (-l ankly Matthew B e ll, Lord 4aon, and George the !bird," which he thought quite sufficient authorities to did the question in favour of his party. VFon the whole, there never was a public meeting got te e' lien Which more d ec id e dly showed on which side was " sense, Led en whiel, the nonsense, of the respective t r Mr. Lionel Talmash and Mr. Felix Talmash, p '!'nbers for Il c h es t er , did no t vo t e a t a ll o n Friday, but 4 " - d off in support of Mr. Peel's Resolution. T 411 the list of the majority of the House of v s .that voted for going into a committee to consider 1 4 laws imp os i ng p ena lti es on th e R oman Catholics (6th 4 , 1.4 ) name of the Hon. Col. F. W. Grant was °--„, " l tt'd by mistake. pf 4 ,11 the list of the members of the University zford rhg vottNi for Mr. Peel, the name of "Mr. C. 4 1. ,,-ooptr, of lkadham,"should hays had the letters " tn an ,(instead " C." only) attached to it—that gentle 14,4iltZing a first-class man both in Classics and Wattle- • }k , The improved prospects for Ireland are already r o , 44 ing t 4, be appreciate.] by the natives resident in -4 "*. Within these few days, 200 Irish families, in e 7 ,Weaving li ne , h ave left Bridgeton, and embarked for .47 native co un t r y, an d more are pre p ar i ng to follow.— bkrgh Adertiser. 4, The Irish Reporter of the late murder at Ports ‘‘'uth st a t es the unfortunate victim to have been a crippl.: of souls years' standing." N. 6 , 44 devout mendicant, at Liverpool, charged uns w : r in ting and begging, being asked what he had to say, 14 14 " Your Worship, I was hot begging, I was only 1 Ivo ir the 49thPsahu to she honour and glory of my God . ; 4(1 not sing a p ro f ane song f or any money whatever.. CORN RETURNS. (From the Liverpool Albion of Monday-) Sir,—The public at large, and the Iti.h corn merchants in particular, I have no doubt, will feel much obligati to you for bringing into notice the great deficiency in the returns of corn which govern its importation frum abroad. The question you have started is one of very great import ance to the country, and I hope the result will be an alte ration in the law, which may be easily effected, is unob jectionable, will be efficacious, and du justice to the growers, the trade, and the public. Your observations, although perfectly applicable to Liver pool, will, however, equally apply to the whole of Lanca shire, and, I have little doubf, are equally applicable to the returns throughout the kingdom. To show that would be too voluminous, but it may be seen upon reference to the Gazette. In justice, however, to our own town, I would refer to the following statement, exhibiting the re turns for all Lancashire, and the imports of wheat in Li verpool from Ireland and coastwise during nine weeks : STATEMENT OF WHE. ,T RIZTII10.41"g. Dec.l.Tan. Jan. Jan. Jan. Jan. Feb. Feb. Feb. RETURNS. 96. 2. 9. 16. 23. 30. 6. 13. 20. Qrs. Qrs. Qrs. Qrs. Qrs. Qrs. Qrs. Qrs. Qr.. Liverpool - 762 525 217' 318 844 289 Ulverstone 32 27 9 46 50 114 88 55 64 Lancaster Preston Wigan Warrington Manchester 402 508 ' 103 133 580 1084 1164 380 Bolton 9B 38 116 112 98 59 85 24 21 The whole of] —l-1 ——— -- 2838,3082 1274 1481 1357 1637 2113 267711299 Lancashire— 1 1 IMPORTS. Liverpool from Ireland 997 2 1160 3 !7866 782 2173 4837 13098 109585611 Coastwise 10546 6543 , 8853 084,!4013 6498,14234,12005 6317 An inspection of this statement :urns from other places are, at least, _ . 11 show that the re tually deficient with those from Liverpool. A conFiderable addition may be made to the imports for the wheat brought into the market by canal and otherwise, and this will serve to exhibit the striking difference between the quantities received, being 72,180 quarters, and the quantities returned as sold, being 7,290 quarters i❑ Liverpool, and 17,800 quarters in all Lancashire. If the writer in the Times, (London, sth instant), who signs Expositor, and dates from Mark-lane, London,which is the most extensive corn market in England, and who has chosen to exhibit and animadvert upon the returns from Liverpool, will take the same pains to exhibit the returns from that great mart, it will probably appear that the metropolitan returns are more deficient than the pro vincial returns. The importance of this business to the country, and to the numerous and highly respectable persons interested in corn, induces me to think, that, however valuable the space in your columns may be at this interesting crisis, you will devote a portion of it to the insertion of extracts • from the Act, for their information and government. I will now endeavour to show that the deficiency is owing to the Act requiring the returns to be made by pur chasers only, and not by sellers. It will be seen, that the Act requires that every person therein named, who shall carry on their business and deal in corn within any town for which an inspector of returns is appointed, shall make and sign a return to the inspec tor, of the amount of corn by them respectively bought during each and every week, with the price thereof. The country dealers, millers, Ice. who attend the corn markets every market-day, make large purchases ; but, inasmuch as they are not dealers, carrying on their business within the towns in which such corn markets are held, they are not required to make, nor do they make, any return, yet their aggregate purchases are of considerable amount, which is never accounted for. Transactions of still greater magnitude may occur be tween large towns, and, as an instance, 1 will take Leeds, Wakefield, Manchester, and Warrington, with Liverpool. Liverpool receives a large portion of the corn from Ireland, and other quantities coastwise, and by canal from other parts of the kingdom. Millers, bakers, distillers, and other consumers, or dealers, in Leeds, Wakefield, Mans ehester, and Warrington, may personally, or by agents or letters, make large purchases of corn in Liverpool, which may be sent off and consumed in those towns and their vicinity. As this corn is not bought within those towns, it is not returnable to the inspectors there, and thus large quantities are never returned. It therefore appears, that merchants or agents in any port or town may receive large consignments of corn from Ireland, or coastwise, or by canal, or otherwise, and may sell such corn to persons not residing within such port or town ; but, as such merchants or agents do not purchase such corn within such port or town, and probably never purchase any cern, they are not required to make any re turn. But, if sellers were required to make returns, such consignments would be brought into account. An attentive consideration will show, that to require returns to be made by sellers will be much more effica cious than from purchasers, because the seller is the party who either has, or is presumed to have, the corn in ware. houses under his controul, or in vessels in the port or canal. The Act by which the assize of bread is set (53 Geo. 111., chap. 116, sec. 3) requires both buyers and sellers to make returns, by which the one is a check upon the other. I have thus endeavoured to show, that an amendment of the act, so as to require returns to be made by sellers, will, if the inspectors do their duty fearlessly and impartially, remedy the great evil arising from deficient returns. This subject will, no doubt, be brought under the notice of his Majesty's Government, it being of the highest im portance to the agricultural interest that the returns should be fully and honestly made. If they are neglected, it may follow that the low-price corn may be omitted, and, the average being taken upon the higher-priced corn, the tin port of foreign corn will take place, to the great injury of the English and Irish corn growers.—l am, Sir, &c. AN OLD BROKER. P.S.—The returns from London are as follows : Dec. 26, 2,753 ; Jan. 2, 2,319 ; Jan. 9, 2,149 ; Jan. 16, 2,089 ; Jan. 23, 1,481 ; Jan. 30, 1,395 ; Feb. 6, 1,443; Feb. 13, 2,183; and Feb. 20, 2,354; total only , . . . . . 18,166 quarters, as the sales for the metropolis and sur rounding neighbourhood for nine weeks, which fully ex hibits a very extraordinary deficiency in the metropolitan returns. " We have complied with our correspondent's request and have inserted the extracts in page 78 of this paper. — EDITOR. EXTRACTS FROM THE CORN BILL. (From the Liverpool Albion of Monday.) We publish, at the request of a correspondent, whose letter, under the signature of " An Old Broker," appears in another page, the following extracts from the last corn bill, in order that the persons connected with the corn trade may be aware of the penalties to which they are liable, for neglecting to make returns of the grain which they may buy in the market : EXTRACTS FROM 9 GEO. IV. CHAP. GO (15thJULY, 1528.) Sec. 25. That every person who shall deal in British corn, at or within any such city or town as aforesaid, or who shall at or within any such city or town, engage in or carry on the trade or business of a corn-factor, miller, maltster, brewer, or distiller, or who shall be the owner or proprietor, or part owner or proprietor, of any stage coaches, waggons, carts, or other carriages carrying goods or passengers for hire to or from any such city or town, and each and every person who, as a merchant, clerk, agent, or otherwise, shall purchase at any such city or town any British corn for sale, or for the sale of meal, flour, malt, or bread made or to be made thereof, shall, before he or she shall so deal in British corn at any such city or town, or shall engage in or carry on any such trade or busi ness as aforesaid, or shall purchase any British corn for any such purpose as aforesaid, at or within any such city or town, make and deliver, in manner hereinafter mentioned, a declaration in the following words ; that is to say, " I, A B, do declare, that the returns to be by me made, conformably to the act passed in the ninth year of the reign of King George Fourth, intituled (here set forth the title of this act), of the quantities and prices of British corn which henceforward shall by or for me be bought, shall, to the best of my knowledge and belief, contain the whole quantity, and no more, of the British corn 1107761 fide bought for or by me within the periods to which such re turns respectively shall refer, with the prices of such corn, and the names of the sellers respectively ; and to the best of 'any judgment the said returns shall in all respects be conformable to the provisions of the said acts." Which declaration shall be in writing, and shall be subscribed by the hand of the person so making the same, and shall by him or her, or by his or her agent, be delivered to the mayor or chief magistrate, or to some justice of the peace for such city or town, or for the county, riding, or division in which the same is situate, who are hereby required to deliver a certificate thereof to the inspector of corn returns for any such city or town as aforesaid. Sec. 26. That it shall and may be lawful for any in spector of corn returns, in any town, to serve upon and de liver to any person buying or selling corn in any such town, and who is not within the terms and meaning of this pre sent act specially required to snake any such declaration as j aforesaid, a notice in writing under the hand of such in- spector requiring him to make such declaration as afore said ; and any person upon whom such notice shall be served shall, and he is hereby required, to comply with such notice, and to make such declaration in such and the same manner in all respects as if be or she had been spe cially required to make the same by the express provisions of this act. See. 27. That all persons who are hereirtbefore re quired to make and who shall have made such declarations as aforesaid, shall, and they are hereby required, on the first market day which shall be holden in eaoh and every week within each and every such city or town as aforesaid at or within which they shall respectively deal in corn, or engage in or carry on any such trade or business as afore said, or purchase any corn for any such purposes as afore said,.to return or cause to be returned to the inspector of corn returns for such city or town, an account in writing, signed with their names respectively, of the amount of each and every parcel of earls respective sort of British corn so by them respectively bought during the week ending on and including the day next preceding such first market day as aforesaid, with the price thereof, and by what weight and measure the same was so bought by them, with the names of the sellers of each of the said parcels respec tively, with the names of person or persons, if any other than the person making such return, for or on account of whom the same was so bought and sold, and it shall and may be lawful for any such inspector of corn returns, to deliver to any person making or tendering any such re turns, a notice in writing, requiring him or her to declare and set forth therein where and by whom and in what manner any such British corn was delivered to him or her; and every person to whom such notice shall be delivered shall, and he or she is hereby required to comply there with, and to declare and set forth in such his or her return, or in a separate statement in writing, the several particu lore aforesaid. Sec. 33. Provided always, that all corn or grain, the produce of the United Kingdom, shall be deemed and taken to be British corn for this act. See. 42. That if any person who is hereby required to make or deliver the declaration or declarations hereinbeforo particularly mentioned and set forth, or either of them, shall not make and deliver such declaration or declarations at the time, and in the form and manner, and to the person or persons hereinbefore directed and prescribed in that be half, every person so offending shall forfeit and pay the sum of twentypounds for each and every calendar month during which lie shall neglect or delay to make and deliver any such declaration ; and if any person who is hereinbefore required to make any returns to any such inspector of corn returns as aforesaid, shall not make such returns to such inspector, at the time and in the town and manner herein after directed and prescribed, every such offender shall for such his offence, forfeit and pay the sum of twenty pounds. Sec. 46. That if any person shall make any false and fraudulent statement in any such return, or shall falsely and wilfully include or promre, or cause to be included, in any such return any British corn which has not truly and bona fide sold or bought, to, by, or on behalf of the person or persons in any such return mentioned in that behalf, in the quantity and for the price therein stated and set forth, every such offender shall be deemed guilty of a misde meanor. The penalties are recoverable by action at law, or upon conviction before two justices of the peace. SMYRNA, JAN. 18, 1829. We have received the following letter from our corres pondent at Smyrna ; it will, we think, be considered sufficiently interesting to deserve a place, even amidst the engrossing calls of domestic matters : Trade here is almost at a stand, for which we have principally, if nct entirely, to thank the ambition of the Russ. How loag will Great Britain suffer these usurpers to act in this tyrannical way, and thus destroy our com merce ? There would be plenty of charters now to go to Alexandria for grain, were it not for the block ade ; and the English do not grant convoys to British ships with grain from Egypt. I hear there are some line-of-battle ships arrived at Malta from England ; I hope it is for the purpose of removing these usurpers, so that our commeree may again revive. The Russians SPORTING INTELLIGENCE. have, I understand, 11 Bail of the line, and 12 or 13 large frigates in the Mediterranean. Surely our Government must know their intentions, such a fleet could not be requi red for any other purpose than to force the passage of the Dardanelles. Should the Russians prove victorious by land, and their army approach Constantinople, then the Black Sea squadron and the ships in the Mediterranean would at the same time force the Bosphorus and Dardanelles, and both fleets join before the Turkish capital. That such is their design appears to me very evident, although I do not know that this is the opinion here. if they are permitted to effect this object, will they not afterwards con centrate their force, which will then be very formidable, and cooling down to the Archipelago, take possession of all the principal Turkish islands,—ef such at least as suit their purpose? Mitylene alone has ports capacious enough to hold double the number of all the Russian Navy in the Black Sea, and the Baltic too. Milo, although a Greek island, would not escape their ambition. Its port is very capacious and safe, capable, I suppose, of containing more than half the navy of Great Britain. There are also many other islands, with good ports, and would not, I am sure, escape their notice; but surely Great Britain will not suffer them to proceed thus far. We hear from London that we must not calculate on the Allies stopping the Russians : I hope this is not correct. It cannot be that Great Britain will suffer them to have full possession of the Levant, and block out and destroy our commerce as they please. I am told there is great preparation at home in the naval department ; and I there fore hope England is awake, and means to stop them soon. There are a great many English ships here unemployed. Corn is very dear at Smyrna, on account of the Sultan drawing it front all the adjacent parts to Constantinople, and it will Ito doubt soon be very scarce. Bread is now much dearer than at Constantinople ; and it would answer well to import from Alexandria, but the merchants are afraid to speculate, on account of the Greek cruisers. I am happy to say the piracies are almost entirely stopped ; there has been only one case for a considerable time. It may be useful if you would state that Smyrna enjoys perfect health and tranquillity. The weather here is sharp and cold, and easterly and north winds generally prevail, so that there is little danger of fever at this season of the year. HUNTING INTELLIGENCE. ♦PPOINTMENTS FOR. THE PRESENT wEvr.. His Majesty's Stag-hounds, on Monday, at Maidenhead Thicket ; and Friday, at Langley Broom—at half-past ten. Mr. O'Kelly's Buck Hounds, on Wednesday, at Bland ford RtW,e Down ; and Saturday, at Ranston. The Brighton Harriers, on Monday, at Patcham ; Wed. nesday, near the Race Course; and Friday, at the Dyke— at half-past ten. The Brookside Harriers will continue to meet every Monday, at Newmarket ; Wednesday, at the Lewes Race Course ; and Friday, at Tellescombe Tye—at half-past ten. The Cheshire Hounds, on Monday, at Minshull Guide post ; Wednesday, at Dunham Massey; Thursday, at ; and Saturday, at Darnhall—at half-past ten. General Win. Fitzroy's Hounds, on Monday, at Harpley mill ; Wednesday, at Mr. Beck's, Milehain ; and Friday, at Mr. Browne's, Newton-hall--at eleven. Lord Yarborough's Hounds, on Monday, at Bradley Wood ; on Wednesday, at Burnham ; Friday, at Girbby house ; and Saturday, at Irby Dale—at eleven. Lord Harewood's Fox-hounds, on Monday, at Bitk Crag; Wednesday, at Bickerton ; and Friday, at Bishop Wood—at ten. The East Sussex Hound+, on Monday, at the Sheffield Arms ; Thursday, at Beeting-hill ; and Friday, at Sayer's Common—at a quarter before eleven. Mr. H. Villebois's Harriers, on Tuesday, at the Kennel ; Thursday, at Barton ; and Saturday, at Curle-house—at eleven. The Craven Hounds, on Monday, at Penclose; Friday, at the Nag's Head, Martin ; and Saturday, at the Column in the Forest—at half-past ten. The Vine Hounds, on Monday, at Popham Beacon ; Wednesday, at Grotto Coppice; and Saturday, at Chin ham—at ten. Mr. Freeman's Harriers, on Wednesday, at Compton Windmill ; and Saturday. at Hurley Village—at eleven. Sir John Cope's Hounds, on Monday, at Eversley bridge ; Wednesday, at Delabere ; and Friday, at Unhill —at half-past ten. Lord Anson's Hounds, on Monday, at Coombe Abbey ; Wednesday, at I3urbage ; Thursday, at Nailstone Wiggs ; and Saturday, at Thorpe—at half-past ten. Mr. Meynell's Hounds, on Monday, at Colton ; Thurs day, at Charley Castle ; and Saturday, at Kingston Wood —at half-past ten. Mr. Boycott's Hounds, on Monday, at the Hem ; and Thursday, at Stretton Wood—at half-past ten. The Quorn Hounds, on Monday, at Widinerpool Inn ; Wednesday, at Barkby-hall ; Thursday, at Kettleby ; and Friday, at Brookesby—at halfpast ten. The Worcestershire Fox-hounds, on Tuesday, at the Red Lion, Holt ; and Friday, at Stanford—at half-past ten. Mr. Dausey's Hounds, on Monday, at Tiberton ; and Thursday, at Canon Frome—at ten. The Shropshire Hounds, on Monday, at Sundorne ; Wednesday, at Porkington ; and Friday, at Condover— at half-past ten. The 131ackmoor Vale Hounds, on Tuesday, at Yarnfield gate ; and Friday, at Thornhill-lodge—at half-past ten. The Cadbury Harriers, on Monday, at Milborne Wyke ; and Thursday, at Charlton Horethorne. The Somerset Subscription Fox-hounds, on Tuesday, at Crocombe Park-gate ; and Friday, at Buncombe Bottom. The Cottesmore Hounds, on Monday, at Grimsthorpe Kennels; Tuesday, at Tilton Wood ; and Thursday, at Park-house—at a quarter Velure eleven. Sir Richard Sutton's Hounds, on Monday, at Stapleford Moor ; Wednesday, at Legsby Village ; Thursday, at Tet ford Town ; and Saturday, at Rigsby Village—at eleven. Lord Scarborough's Fox-hounds, on Monday, at Lan gold ; Wednesday, at Clumber-house ; and Friday, at the Grove—at half-past ten. The Badswoith Fox-hounds, on Tuesday, at Barnsdale Bar; Thursday, at Bolton-bridge; and Saturday, at South Hiendley—at half-past ten. Sir G. Sitwell's Fox-hounds, on Tuesday, at the sixth mile -stone on the Chesterfield road to Worksop; and Thursday, at Norton—at ten. Mr. 11. M. Chadwick's Fox-hounds, on Tuesday, at Orgreave Gorse ; and Friday, at Hockley-house—at hall past ten. The Conock Harriers, on Wednesday, at South Down Barn; and Saturday, at Gorecross Farm—at eleven. Sir T. Stanley's Hounds, on Tuesday, at Upton ; and Saturday, at Puddington—at ten. Sir IL Puleston's Hounds, on Wednesday, at Haunter Village; and Friday, at St. Martin's—at eleven. The Holderness Fox-hounds, on Thursday, at Wood hall ; and Saturday, at .Neswick —4 eleven. Mr. Nicoll's Hounds, on Wednesday, at Beaulieu ; and Friday, at Downton Common. The Oakley Hounds, on Monday, at Kempston-house Wednesday, at Astwood ; and Saturday, at Halsey Wood —at eleven. The Hambledon Fox-hounds, on Monday, at hlorudean ; Thurs day , at Swanmore-house ; and Saturday, at Fair Oak-house—at half-past ten. The IL H. on Monday, at South Wilt nborough ; Tues day, at Brookwood ; Thursday, at Rothe' field Park ; a n d Saturday, at Nutley Church—at ten. The Sanderstead Harriers, on Monday, Wednesday, and Saturday, at the Kennel—at ten. Another reason why the merchants do not speculate is that they are afraid the Turks will take the corn at their own price, when it arrives, and dispose of it as they please. I have learned this since I began my letter. The Austrian Govern ment gives convoy to their ships from Egypt with grain to all parts, therefore as long as Great Britain does not afford the same protection to her own ships and commerce, the Aus trians have, and will continue to have all the trade. This is very injurious to the interests of all English ships here; and it would be well if you were to call attention to it. The British Government may not perhaps be acquainted with this fact; for it is not likely the Admiral has repre sented it to them. Naval men cannot see the ill effects of it so well as those who are concerned. —B righton Gazette. MARCH OF HARMONY.—`'f r o saw the other day a band of street musicians, each party attended by a boy, who held before the instrumentalist a fairly copied music book.— Weekly Times. A few days ago a remarkable discovery was made in a house at Caxton, Cambridgeshire. One of the upper rooms requiring some repairs, the workmen, ola taking up the floor, found an old mail-bag of the year 1702, containing a quantity of letters, all of which were of course opened. They were in a most perfect state. The natu • ral inference is, that the landlord of the house, or, if he h a d lodgers, souse of them, were mail robbers of a cen tury back. A Salisbury correspondent says, « A n at tempt has been made to have a meeting of the Mayor and Corporation of Salisbury, for the p ur p ose o f pet i t i on ing against the Catholics ; but, owi ng t o t h e goo d sense of most of them, a Council could not be formed. The prin cipal mover some time ago got up a petition for emanci pating the slaves, and is a great friend to the Dissenters, and to emancipation in general, except to the poor Ca tholics." We have just seen a private letter from Car lisle, in which it is stated, that Burke's degraded concu bine, 111‘Dougal, appeared in that city on Friday or Satur day ! m t. She has now become a common b eggar , an d in that capacity was admitted to a lodging-house at Dam side. Her name and history were at first unknown, but during the night she uttered the most dreadful screams, out at one ti me t h at t h ey were hang liiand at anothe r , i mp l or i ng t h e mo b to save Burke, f a ct her guilty an d troubled conscience - revealed calling what her Ups refused to utter, and when the people of the house became aware of her real character, and even ex terted something like a confession by appealing to the hor rid nature of her dreams they at once turned from her as a tainted thing that would pollute even a community of beg gars. Again, therefore, she had to steal away like a ghost, though not until the populace had collected and sub jected her to pretty rough treatment. Often she besought pity, as one willing to fly if she only knew where—but we are unable at present to give the sequel.—Dumfries Courier. THE MINOR THEATRES' THEATRICAL' OXFORD UNIVERSITY TALENT. FUND. (From the Tinies.) Yesterday a public meeting was held in the saloon of the We gave an analysis in our paper yesterday morning of Royal Coburg Theatre, of the Committee and Membera of the first classes and other honours to be found in the re the newly-established " Metropolitan Minor Theatres' spective lists of Mr. Peel and Sir Robert Inglis, which Theatrical Fund." A considerable number of the corps pretty well settles the question of the " rising talent" of dramatique from all the minor theatres attended, and a very unanimous spirit of joining and upholding the insti- the University. The following lists of the Professors who tution was evinced by all present. I voted on the occasion may be considered as indicative of The deed, according to the Act of Parliament, authoris- the matured intelligence of that learned body : ing the Committee and Society to act us a legal body, was PEEL. INGLIS. not enrolled until the 3d inst., when all • the necessary Stephen Rigaud. Exeter, Savi- Wyndham Knatchbull, All Astronomy. Souls, Laudi a n Professor of , forms were completed ; and lion Professor of since th a t, th e app li ca ti ons to Baden Powell, Savilian I rofic:- Arabic. join the fund from the performers of the metropolitan • saw of Geometry. William Mills, Magdalen, Pro theatres have been very numerous. Philip Williams, Vinerivn Pro- fessor of Moral Phil, sophv. Mr. E. L. Lim's, of the Coburg Theatre, as Chairman Godfrey y Margaret et Professor of n o Charles (} f . l l 4 l a' i r iaubeny, of the Committee, said that an imperative duty devolved len, Professor of Chemistry. Divinity. Nassau William Senior, Hoag- Geo. Christ Church on Idea to . state to them the circumstanc e s whi c h called them together, although he knew little was wanting to (I ,: a e le , , , i , , ,n, P w rofessor of Political Ge K or in g t'sf e r i o g ce , ssr oo ol e ßotr i i , ); it induce them to combine in the cause of benevolence. M e . Edward Cardwell, Brasenose, Church, Professor of Natural Lewis then in an impressive manlier enlarged on the dis- Camden Professor of Ancient Robert l:'liilosophy. Historyßourne,Wo• cester, Lord tressing condition many of the performers of minor theatres Henry Hart Millman, Brass Lichfield's Clinical Professor. were reduced to by illness and want, and their utter ina- nose, Professor of Poetry. bility even to procure subsistence fur their families, or the i u r r a cI B , o uc ) g i Pl 4 s C s i r r i o s t f means for their interment when death overtook them.— Hebrew. By the establishment of this fund, however, such lament- Jor i ti u h ra Plai , morei ;rofessor Christ of able results would be obviated by the performers becoming Civil Law. members of the present fuud. Then, indeed, they might .7,lin Kidd, Christ Church, say with their great poet— King's Professor of Medicine. John Anthony Cramer, Christ .4 Look on this picture and on that." Church, Public Orator. He hoped any jealousy as to the place where the institu- James Adey Ogle, Trinity, Al tion originated would not prevent all his professional bre- drichian Professor of Medi thren from heartily rallying round the flag which had been tine. hoisted. Mr. Lewis concluded amidst much applause. Again, take the Colleges in which Peel has the majority The CHAIRMAN then read a letter from Mr. T. Dibdin, of votes. They are— of the West London Theatre, stating that indispensable business prevented his attendance, but offering his services in any way which might benefit the fund. Mr. FARRELL, of the Royal Pavilion, rose and offered the use of that theatre, and his own services, to support the institution. He also wished to be enrolled a member. --(Applause.) Mr. DAVIDGE, the present lessee of the Coburg Theatre, in au emphatic speech, declared his earnest wish to benefit the fund by every means in his power, either by giving his theatre for a benefit, or in any other way.—(Cheers.) —He hoped it would succeed to the utmost, but depre cated the idea of having a public dinner at the present time, thinking it would be better that the institution should be more known than it was at present. Mr. Davidge adverted to the fund established some years since for the Coburg Theatre, and said that had it been properly kept up, there would have been a large sum now in hand. He then adverted with much feeling to the deplorable state of many members of the theatrical profession, who, if they had had such a fund as was then formed to apply to, would not have been compelled to go from theatre to theatre soli citing charity. The worthy lessee concluded by stating, that Mr. T. P. Cooke had called to attend the meeting, but not being able to wait, had left his donation, 21. 25., with an intimation that he should become an annual subscriber. _( Applause. ) The CHAIRMAN then stated that the meeting had to consider the propriety of having a public dinner. The general feeling seemed decidedly against it, and for the present it is abandoned. The CHAIRMAN then read the regulations of the fund in admitting members, and most of the performers present were enrolled members, each paying one guinea. An adjournment was then moved to that day fortnight, so that the Institution might be advertised, it being the opinion of the meeting that sufficient publicity had not been given. In answer to a suggestion, Mr. Davidge and Mr. Far rell said, they were ready to give up the weekly " forfeits" to the fund, if the plan was generally adopted ; but if so, they would most rigidly enforce them.—(Laughter and applause.) Thanks were then voted to the public press for its sup port, and the question of adjournment to the 25th inst. being carried, the meeting broke up. PEEL Christ Church 163 Oriel 5O All Souls 251 Merton New Co lege Exeter 32 INGLIS. 79 Whereas, take the six Colleges in which Sir Robert Inglis has the greatest majority, and you will find INGLIS. PEEL. Lincoln Co'lege 45 Worcester Wadham 35 Edmund Hall St. John's Trinity 4l Now any body who knows Oxford knows that these last are six of the very lowest order of Collegeq, the mem bers of which are generally remarkable fur nothing more than the obscurity of their station, the mediocrity of their talents, and the insignificance of their characters. Whereas the six in which Mr. Peel has the majority are decidedly the most distinguished, especially the first four of them, for the rank, respectability, talents, and reputation of their members. NEWCASTLE and CARLISLE RAIL-ROAD. The following Address was delivered by JAMES Loan, Esq. at the public Meeting held at Newcastle-upon :Tyne, on the 18th February, for the purpose of taking into con sideration the expediency of that great undertaking. After the MAYOR had briefly opened the proceedings, Mr. Lour rose and spoke as follows :-51r. Mayor, allow me, Sir, in the first instance, to express the great satisfaction I experience on seeing so numerous and re spectable a meeting, assembled to take into consideration the important measure mentioned in the requisition ; one of the most important measures, Sir, as it seems to me, that was ever discussed within these walls—a measure which must prove highly beneficial to this town, and the sur rounding district, and not only, indeed, to this district, but to the kingdom at large.--( Applause. )-.The suggestion which you, Sir, have tl:rown out respecting the employment of the inhabitants of the district, in the execution of the work, 1 am sure will be readily attended to ; it is extremely pro per, and coming from such a source must Lave great weight with the directors.—(Applause.)—Sir, a measure similar to the present was agitated in this town about forty years ago, when estimates were made, and plans drawn, to effect the junction of the two seas by means of a canal. That, how ever, failed, not from any dislike to the measure, but owing to some misunderstanding as to the line. Soon after this, a war broke out, which lasted many years, which com pletely absorbed the attention and capital of the nation, and put a stop to all such speculations. But when peace re turned, its happy effects soon began to chew themselves. The population of the city of Carlisle rapidly increased from 10,000 to 16,000 ; and the spirited inhabitants of that city, at their own expence, formed a canal which joined Carlisle with the Solway Frith and the Irish Chan nel. —( A pplause. )--Nor have we been behind in the progress of improvement ; but it is needless to point out the great improvements which have taken place here. We have only to look around us at the improved appearance of the town, the buildings which are every where springing up, to be at once convinced of the growing prosperity of the district and the increased comfort of the inhabitants. When the country had become settled and advanced in this state of improvement, the important measure of uniting ourselves with the people of Carlisle and Cumberland, by means of a Canal or Rail-way, again suggested itself and became an object of anxiety; and in 1524 the public feeling on this subject became so general, that two county meet ings were held, and a committee formed, to take the mea sure into consideration. The only doubt at that time was, whether the communication should be by a Canal or a Rail-way, and at the latter meeting a report was brought forward by Sir John Swinburne, deciding that a Rail-way was the most eligible.—(Applause.)—After this report, proceedings for carrying the measure forward were imme diately instituted,—a company was formed, and shares were subscribed for—levels were taken and surveys made, and considerable expence was necessarily incurred. Cir cumstances, however, afterwards arose, which, in some measure, compelled them to suspend their operations ; and amongst others an election, something like a war, took place and diverted the attention of the public from this measure which was of still more importance than itself.— As soon, however, as the heat of the election had sub sided, the subject was revived, the directors proceeded in their labours, and the necessary steps were taken to carry into effect the great measure now before us.—(Applause.) —lt has been urged against the directors, continued the learned gentleman, that expense has been needlessly incurred in this undertaking, and I do not mean to deny it, but it has arisen without blame to any human being. In all public undertakings this, I fear, must always, in some degree, take place, but we ha ee, by that means, pur- chased much valuable experience, which it seems must always be bought, and on the present occasion I must say it has been bought cheaply. The petition . . for the Bill has by this time been presented to the House of Commons, and I can safely take upon myself to say, that no undertaking of such a magnitude—no under. taking with such great objects in view, or so important in itself, was ever brought to this point, at so little expeuce.— (Applause.)—The directors have had great difficulties to contend with, and reports have been circulated, whether by timid friends or secret enemies I will not inquire, which have prevented the public from taking shares so rapidly as they would otherwise have done.—lt was at one timosaid that few landholders on the line felt an interest in it, or were friendly to the measure ; but that was soon put an end to by referring to the list of subscribers; and to show the absurdity of it, I will just mention a few of the prin cipal proprietors on the line. The Duke of _Northumber land and Lord Prudhoe have both given their assent to it. —(Applause.)—Lord Carlisle, through whose property it must pass a farther distance than through any other per son's, has taken a number of shares, and become a party to the contract ;—the Corporations of Newcastle and Car lisle, and Mr. Howard, of Corby, are also shareholders, and every landholder in Cumberland, as far as I know, is friendly to the measure. There are a number of others who are friendly to the undertaking, amongst whom I may mention the family of the Beaumonts, who are the largest shareholders; and, above all, the Governors of Greenwich Hospital, those great proprietors of land on the line. But this absurd idea was no sooner done away with, than it was said, " True, there are sonic individuals friendly to the measure, but there is no general feeling in its favour in the three counties at larg e ." A n d is that so ? The three Lords Lieutenant, all Noblemen of the higheet rank, of immense property and influence, are all friendly to the measure, and not only friendly but zealous in its support, The Duke of Northumberland, as I have already stated, is an assenting Party ; the Marquis of Cleveland has ex pressed, in the strongest terms his entire approbation of the undertaking, and his intention to support it; and the Earl of Lonsdale is not only favourable, but a supporter, and a main supporter, of the Bill ; and his son, Lord Lowther, has undertaken the management of it in the Howe of Commons.—(Applause.)—l will not, Sir, tae vp on we to say, that it will be supported hi Ministers, but I am quite confident that it wi',l receive, as much support from them as it is consistent in the Government of the country to give to a private measure —(Applans?.)..., And, Sir, in addition to the three Lords Lienteuant, we have the long list of subscribers ; and I am enabled to state that the Bill will be supported by Earl Grey and also by Lord Durham, who is a shareholder and director. We have also, Sir, all the Members for the three.counties, and the Members for all the towns and boroughs within those counties; and we have piles of letters from Members of Parliament, expressing their desire to forward this important measure. But, it was said, there is no favourable feeling in this county, because the landholders generally have not carne forward to support it. In reply, I will mention two gen tlemen, Sir John Swinburne and Mr. Cresswell Baker, who are both friendly, and have signed the petition—l mention them in particular, because they are well known. and because their property is not in the immediate neigh bourhood of the line ;—and, in short, there are few, very few, gentlemen of the county who are not zealously friendly to the measure.—(Applause.)—This rumour, then, seems to beat end. Another report was circulated, that though we had several gentlemen of Newcastle amongst our sub scribers, they were not men of much money, and not likely to forward the measure by their influence; but, to refute this calumny, it is only necessary to mention the names of Mr. Bigge, Mr. Gibson (of the Bank), Mr. Thomas Fen wick, Major Anderson, and Mr. Plummer, amongst the numerous subectibers and friends, of great opulence and weight on commercial subjects. There is still another rumour to be noticed, which is snore of a personal nature, and is almost too absurd to mention. R. has been said that this measure has been got up by a certain number of persons in this town to serve their own private interests. I suppose this is meant to allude to those persons whose situation renders them most prominent ; and I make no doubt our two solicitors will have made immense for- tunes by this business—(a laugh)—but if they do not get more than they have hitherto done, and I do not suspect they will, at least not much, I am afraid their funds will not be much improved by the measure. Our engineer, too, I suppose, will have made a mint of money by it— (laughter)—unfortunately, however for Mr. TI ompson, he has not received one shilling, but, with great public spirit has given us his invaluable services and assistance for nothing.—(Applause.)—Mr. Crawhall too, whose valuable assistance and zealous attention to every thing he undertakes are known to every one, must doubtless have profited largely,—but he also has not received one farthing.--',Great applause.)—And I too, Sir, have been placed iu a situation, which made it necessary for me to address you to-day, and consequently I am also said to share the gains; but as yet, Sir, I have not seen any advantage to myself, nor do I look for any, ex cept that fair advantage to myself and my family, by the improvement of my property in the district through which the road passes, and a participation in the public benefit that will arise from the measure. These are all the advantages I hope for, or expect. Such are the re ports which have been circulated ; they are all absurd and unfounded, and I only notice theirs for the purpose of put ting an extinguisher en them at once. In spite of all these disadvantages, the Directors have pursued a steady, quiet course, and this is the first time, I believe, they have ever mentioned them; they rely upon the common sense and common observation of the public, for the due appre ciation of the value and importance of the undertaking— on that they found their measures, and I am confident they will not be disappointed. They did not carry their shares to the Stock Exchange, where they would soon have been taken ; but they preferred to have actual subscribers, per sons who felt an interest in the measure, and who; ooked to the public advantage and their own individual interest: in their support of it. Those who seek their own advan tage by honourable means, are the best friends of the pub lic, and a wise government will support such persons, fix the less their pursuits al e interfered with, the greatci will be the benefit to the public at large. This remark brings me to the stage to which this measure is now advanced. ' It is now before the House of Commons, and I trust we shall soon be enabled to accomplish the objects we have in view. What are these objects it may be asked ? Let any one look at the map of England. It is the narrowest part of it, and the intermediate country is full of mines and minerals, the natural store-house, as it may be termed, for those commodities so essential to trade and manufactures. Can any one, then, be at a loss for our objects ? Can any one doubt the importance of join ing the two seas by a rapid and convenient communication, fur if we go to Carlisle, from whence there is a canal to the Solway Frith, we do, in fact, join the Eastern and Western Oceans ? Can any doubt the great benefit such a measure must produce to the three counties through Which it passes, as well as to the towns,—to Carlisle, to Hexhant and above all to this great town, Newcastle, about which we all feel so deeply interested? But let us put it out of doubt. Let us see what are the articles which will be brought over to us by means of this Rail-way, and what we shall send back in return, for if we send articles to the inhabitants of Cumberland, they will undoubtedly send goods back to us, and rice versa. To Newcastle, then, it will bring the produce of the West Indies, the produce of America, the produce of Ireland, the produce of the Isle of Man, the produce of the south-west of Scotland, and the interior of Cumberland. Is that not an object of impor tance to Newcastle and the district around it ? What, on the other hand, will Carlisle receive from us ? They will receive the whole of the Baltic produce, the most impor-. tant of all others to their shipping and manufactures ; they will receive the produce of all the north of Europe ; it will Oen to them a communication with Ilamhurgh, and Holland, and the articles they now carry in carts, at a slow rate and great expense, they will procure at a very *mall expellee and with great rapidity.---(Applause.)—Are all these objects of no importance? But if they are not enough to satisfy every one I will state souse others. The great objects I have hitherto mentioned are alike beneficial from one end of the line to the other, but there are other objects which arc perhaps of still more importance, for though coal, far instance, is so near to Carlisle, that city will receive that important article one-third cheaper than they now have it, a thing of immense importance to Care lisle, and indeed to the country, since it will enable l ie , manufacturers to proceed with greater spirit aed greater effect. This saving must be gained by Carlisle, and in stating it at one-third, I am rather below the truth than exceeding it ; but this advantage will not only be experie eneed by Carlisle, but it will extend its. benefits to Pen rith and the whole of the eastern pert of Cumbetiand, where the inhabitants labour trader great disasteantages from the dearness of fuel. Let us now, Sir, come to the lead-mines, so important to the kingd om at large, acd of such great value in all our manufactures. They sustaiu a vast population, who depend neon their success for their support, How, then, will the Rail-road operate up •on them ? It will be most beneficial to them ; it will enable them to bring their lead to Carlisle on the one hand, and to Newcastle on the other, at a iiouch cheaper rate, and it will thus enable them to meet the foreign competition, which, as every one knows, has lately pressed with great severity on this branch of trade. And since this competition with the lead from foreign countries can not be prevented, we must endeavour to remedy it by adopting more active measures and taking advantage of every means that will enable us to carry on our trade cheaper. In this point of view, then, the Rail-way will be obviously productive of the greatest advantage. But it would be needless to advert to every particular in which the Rail-way would be productive of benefit, and I shall only mention one other article with which we shall be supplied by it, I mean blue slates, which will be brought from Cumberland at so much Irma expense that it would surprise any one to hear it, and must be of the greatest possible importance, not only to all persons employed in building houses, but to the beauty of the neighbourhood, and the comfort of the inhabitants. In abort, almost evo ,,, article and necessai y of life will be procured chear, er, anti in greater perfection.—(Applause.)—And there i s a „ t h er point of view which it is of the utmost ' importance to notice. Between Liverpool and Manchester are they at present constructing a H a il- roa d , not " extent as the one we are engaged certainly so great in but considering tile situation, of perhaps still calculations whi c h seem four grey ter import ance , an d u p on which o f c a p n as s se ca n r z c e e t i s y err, ..red in t ru th, an d on pr i nc i p l es 'it is estim a t e d th a t th e convey "alone will produce the enormous sum of 53,000/. a-ye:ar ! This certainly may be said to he only conjecture, Itut an offer has actually been made to the Com pany, of 2-!.'!,000/. per annum, guaranteed upon most unnh. jectionable security for 20 years, and that offer has been deehned.—(Applause.)—l do not mean to say that such will be the case here ; we are aware that it will not ;, our expectations are not so sanguine ; we are content with a moderate and fair return, and do not look for such ex cessive profits. But this circumstance strews that the conveyance of passengers is an object of great import ance, and must not be neglected in. our calculations ; and if further proof were wanting, we sa has c .e i ~,oain),lythtaot look to th e D ar li ng t on an d St oc kt on R a il- way, s; htfo conveyance :is so eas y, so rapid, ninny go for amusement, who woul'A otherwise have remained at home, ar i d those Who travel on business are enabled to do sa chevirer and with greater facility. The adveosagai of this rapid communication to all engaged rei, commercial transactions, to the manufac turer, aid the shopkeeper, ale so obvious, that it is unne ceaaaey to dwell longer uleari them. Let us then see what effect Me Rail-road will have upon Agriculture.—(Ap plause.) To the agriculturist, its advantages will be most important and yaleable, It will enable all upon the line to eaUY aline aud manure cheaply and quickly; it will enable the farmer to bring his produce to market at a cheaper rate, with more expedition, and, with less intern venienee than he does at present, which will not only be beneficial to the farmer, but also highly advarr ageous to Newcastle and the different parts of the country through which it passes. lam aware it has beets said that this