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BENSON'S W ATCHES. " Perfection of mechanism."•- - Mooring Post. Gold Silver 2 to 50 guineas. Send 2 stamps for Benson's Illustrated Pamphlet, descfp tive of every construction of watch now made, with their prices. Watches sent to all parts of the kingdom free by post, or to India and the Colonies for ss. extra. 33 and 34, Ludgate-hill, London, EC. Established 1749. T HEATRE -ROYAL, HAYMARKET. Lessee, Mr. J. B. Buckstone. ' THIS EVENING, will be performed AN UNEQUAL MATCH. Messrs. Chippendale. Howe, IV. Farren, Comp ton, Buckstone, dirs. B. White, Mrs. Fitzwilliam, and Miss Amy Sedg - wick. Followed by the Farce, entitled THE RIFLE, AND HOW TO USE IT. Messrs. Buckstone, Compton, Rogers, Mrs. B. White, Mr?. Wilkins, and Mrs. E. Fitzwilliam. After which, a new fairy romance, TIIE PILGRIM OF LOVE. ROYAL PRINCE S S'S THEATRE.- Lessee, Mr. A. Harris. - THIS EVENING, to commence with lIY WIFE'S OUT. Mr. Widdicomb and Miss L. Keeley. Followed by THE FOOL'S REVENGE. Bertuecio, a Jester, Mr. Phelps. To conclude with the extravaganza of THE SYLPHIDE. Miss C. Leclercq, Miss Louise Keeley, Miss Helen Howard, Miss Rose Leclercq, Mr. Shore, Mr. Saker, and Mr. Frank Matthews, _ Commence at 7. ADELPITT, NEW THEATRE-ROYAL. Sole Proprietor and Manager. - Mr. Benj. Webster. Engagement of the celebrated American Actress, Miss JULIA DALY, and Mr. LEIGH MURRAY. THIS EVENING, TO PARENTS AND GUARDIANS. Mr. Leigh Murray, J. L. Toole, C. Selby, Romer; Miss H. Simma, K. Kelly, Laidlaw. and MN. Chatterley. Atter which, OUR FEMALE AMERICAN COUSIN. Messrs. Stuart, C. Selby, Rillington, Eburne, Miss Julia Daly, K. Kelly, Laidlaw, and Mrs. Chatterley. To conclude with the Fairy Extravaganza, THE FAIR NE WITH THE GOLDEN LOCKS. King Lachrymoso, Mr. J. L. Toole; Count Pleniposo, Mr. P. Bedford; Viscount Verysoso, Mr. C. J. smith ; Graceful, Miss K. Kelly ; Queen Lucidora, Miss Emily Thorne ; Mollmopsa, Mrs. Billington. Box-office open from 10 till 5. Private boxes, £2 2s. ; Family Boxes, £l. Orchestra Stalls, ss. ; Balcony, 4s. ; Front Circle Stalls, 3s. ; Pit Stalls, 25.; Pit, is. 6d. ; Amphitheatre, is ; Gallery, 6d. Acting Manager—Mr. Wm. Smith. ROYAL LYCEUM THEATRE.- Under the management of Mr. Wm. Brough. THIS EVENING, A COMICAL COUNTESS. Followed by THE MIDDY ASHORE. Miss Lydia Thompson. And THE ROUGH DIAMOND. Sir W. Don. After which, the burlesque of THE FORTY THIEVES. Miss Lydia Thompson. Miss Clara St. Casse, Miss E.Travers, Miss K. Saxon, Mrs. Wallis ; Messrs. Emery, Tilbury, &c. ; and a numerous Corps de Ba.let. Commence at 7. OY AL ST. JAMES'S THEATRE, King-street, St. James's. Lessee, Mr. T. B. Chatter ton. Directress, Miss Wyndham. The nearest Theatre to Chelsea, Pimlico, and Westminster, the Park being open to carriages and toot passengers all hours of the night. THIS P.TENiNG the performances will nommense with a new and original comedy, entitled A FRIEND IN NEED. Robinson, C. Young, &e. er which, A L IDY AND GENTLEMAN IN A PE CULIAR PERPLEXING PREDIC &MENT. Mr. Charles Young and Miss Wyndham. Followed by a new burlesque, LUC gEZIA BORGIA AT HOME AND ALL ABROAD. Mesdames Wyndham, E. Scott, Cecilia Ranoe, Miss Clara Morgan, and the Corps de Ballet. Reduced Prices—Gallery, 6d ; Pit, Is. The Box-office open from 11 to 5 daily. Doors open at half-past six ; perform ance commences at 7. A STLEY'S ROYAL AMPHITHEATRE.- Proprietor, Mr. Wm. BATTY. Manager, Mr. Eownst IluGuts. First Appearance of Little MONONI and the celebrated Delavanti Troupe, who are engaged at a great expense. Great and unprecedented success of the NEW GRAND MILITARY SPECTACLE, universaliy pronounced to be the most perfect and magnificent production ever witnessed in this Theatre. The enthusiastic approbation bestowed upon the novel and varied Scenes in the Cirque is the best assurance of the unequalled talent of the eminent Equestrian Artistes who nightly appear. THIS E VENING, and during the Week, - - To commence with the Great Military Spectacle, in Four Acts, called " TitE flisTonY or A FLAG," succeeded by an incomparable programme of Scenes in the Arena, supported by the most renowned and talented Equestrian and Gymnas tic Artistes in Europe. The magnificent Chan'eliers are manufactured expressly by Messrs. Defies and Son, of Houndsditch. Doors open at halt-past 6 o'clock, performance commence at 7. Box-office open daily from 11 till 4. Stage Manager—Mr. W. WEST, CANTERBUR Y HALL THIS EVENING. C. H. GOUNOD'S OPERA, FAUST. First Time in this Country. Faust Mr. Henry Herbert. Mephistopheles Mr. C. Bernard. Siobel Mrs. Anderson. Marguerite . e•rer• bliss Russell. Conductor Mr. Jonghmans. And selections from Dinorah, Trovatore, Macbeth, and numerous other Entertainments. Balcony, Is Hall, 6d. Comic Vocalists —Messrs. George Hodson (the Irish Come dean and Mimic), and W. T. Critchfield. Several interesting Pictures are added to the Fine Arts Gallery. The suite of Halls have been re-decorated and beautified, and constitute one of the most unique and brilliant sights of the metropolis. The gallery is open from 5 till 11 on Sunday Evening. CONCERTS.- TUE WEATHER.--SUN OFFICE, MAy 5, 1360. THERMOMETER, IN THE SHADE. 61—highest since noon yesterday. 41—lowest this morning and during - _the night. 51—this day at noon. BAROMETER-30.20. WIND, Easterly ; light, with dull, cool weather, in clining to rain. HIGII WATER AT LONDON BRIDGE. Titre DAY.—Morning, lh. 25m.—Afternoon, lh. 4Sm. To-monnow.-Morning, 11m.—Afternoon, 2b. 33m. • N , ;v, 4 1 R i ,-•?ry . es , ;) . ---,-'. a, .• t T, , --- - S." ab ' r r ' ; '• , • :.' . ,'''' - - - 7 :11 '. - li- - - ; 17 i -. 7 2 - ::`, -7 - 4 - * _,L'') , ' l ` , .. , , rp,o',W'r. A .. 74't, .',I . or ,k - -',-,' ~, i fyi, -, . ...,•-, I . --4:;. 1 5 .,, , e‹,( . o „.......,,,,,,.-- ,--4:l\ - - - a - .-'": 5 - _r_-'-'= - ...,,: 4 -4F. •40 N-.5.e . , bi - •7;,-.F , - -.....,,k,., ~F : • , ~. , r-"---. --•-- ,nr, - A \ THE SUN. LONDON, SATURDAY, MAY 5, 1860. - ~ It is well that the block-up second reading of the Reform Bill is settled, for we have now a clear stage for business ; and the importance of very many public measures yet lying in abeyance will receive due and immediate consideration Next to the public health, we presume the public and private convenience, too, may claim pre-eminent attention. We boast here of London as being the first city in the universe for wealth and population combined. Granted. But we are rather shy in dilating on the accommodation which wealth should give to en terprise in developing the urgent necessities of that immense population. Whence the cause. Simply that the matter cannot he made a good parish job of, as in the good old times. If there was money to be got out of it, why, the propriety of doing it would be all sufficient, and the quicker done would be in the proportion of the immediate gains ! That is RAIN BULL all over, anything to the contrary notwith standing. But there is a principle of shame which steps in sometimes to check the exultation of our grandeur. A foreigner surveying our buildings, and wondering at their boundless extent in streets, squares, and places, naturally asks how he is to get at them, for he meets gas companies here, water companies there, blocking up the thoroughfares, with a cool indifference which makes the very stones to rise up in mutinyat the curses loud and deep which the omnibus drivers pour forth on all and everyone concerned in stopping up the "ways of men" of business, while the cabs heartily second their imprecations on the score that their " fares" had gone to extra expense in order to be first in the City—thus illustrating too truly how vain are human hopes in their attempts at " going it ! The evil has been a crying one, not only now, but for a long time—and, though several remedies have been proposed, none have as yet secured public, or at least official, attention. And why P—because the Minister of the day cannot obtain any additional support from putting one stone on another or clear ing away a heap of obstructive buildings for the general convenience. He does not like to throw away the public money for the public good, be it even in thousands; but he never hesitates to squander millions to increase the national burdens by jumping into wars with his eyes shut, and when he opens them finds out it was all a mistake.' —the matter might have been arranged amicably had he thought better about it. Now, this is as lamentable as it is true, and the people have to pay the cost without having the honour of being even consulted. But there is hope yet. Sir J. PA XTON last night brought before the House of Commons a question— the Embankment of the Thames—one which has long engaged the attention of the public. He moved for a select committee to consider the best means of providing for the increasing traffic of the metropolis by the embankment of the Thames. And he enforced his motion by arguments at once for cible and conclusive. He said that the influx of visitors to London was daily on the increase, while the population moving to and fro by the various lines of railway amounted at the termini to up wards of 30 millions ! The enormous concourse of people seems to exceed belief—and the wonder was how they could pass along the thoroughfares. Wonder, indeed !—that was as nothing to the dif ficulty ! for they reversed the idiom of " it's a long lane that has no turning," for here it was turn and turn and never get on. Our London streets were made for a population of a hundred thousand at most, and now we have upwards of thirty times that number, so that our enterprise and suc cess in trade have blocked up our locomotion. The embankment of the Thames presented the most ready way for facilitating the public convenience, while it would be both ornamental and beneficial. At low water the extent of mud on its banks was injurious to health and offensive to the senses. Then there was another point of the greatest con cern—the purity of the river, which was becoming daily more contaminated. The Metropolitan Board of Works were on the point of making a tunnel along the Strand to intercept the sewage, and this work would take about two years—so that London might as well go out of town during its performance, for no one could get along. The nuisance would thus be preposterously magnified. While, by mbanking the river, sufficient space might be obtained to make the tunnel under the new roadway reclaimed from the mud, and con vert what at present is an eyesore and an abomi nation into a source of perennial beauty, profit, and usefulness. The motion was responded to by the Government with a readiness which does them honour. Indeed the Chief Commissioner of Works, Mr. CowPER, was hearty in his wishes for the success of a plan which promised so much benefit. lie said—that it required no argument to show the necessity of free communication between Charing-cross and London-bridge, but that no money would be spent by Government. The committee might find out ways and means to carry out the scheme ! Why the value of the land reclaimed from the river would in time repay all the expense. The property all along would be not only improved but enhanced considerably in value. There might be a railway, a carriage road, and a promenade all combined. Lord JOHN MANNERS thought a Royal Commission would be more effective than a Committee, but Lord PALMERSTON was of a different opinion. Still he thought that time was precious, and that the inquiry should be prompt. Other members cordially joined in the object, but some wished to engraft views of their own on the motion. Sir S. M. PETO eulogised the master - mind that now superintended the improvement going on in Paris, and wished that our Government would deal with the question before the House in a spirit worthy of itself. We hope they may. It would redound more to their honour than all their party schemes, and be a lasting memorial of their patriotism for all time to come— " While muddy Thames reclaims his silver tide." The new Austrian regime in Hungary, from which we have been willing to hope the best, and some of our contemporaries to hope even against hope, will turn out, we fear, to be a much "poorer little bill" in the way of liberal reform than our own. The best symptom is that in the list of names for the new Legislative Council appears that of Baron VAT, who was the conspicuous lay repre sentative in the deputation of the Hungarian Pro testants to Vienna. He hoped when he returned from Vienna that he had secured terms which would be satisfactory to his fellow Protestants, but found that the Government, with its usual mixture of fraud and obstinacy, had so overreached him that he could not recommend the Protestants to yield. It will be remembered that the " Imperial Patent" was an attack on the old Hungarian civil arrangements and liberties through their religion —are we then to hope that this mode of attack, at least, will be renounced ? Is it really in further ance of Hungarian religious liberties when we read that the branch of the Ministry of Public Worship which is to consist of Evangelical co-religionists is to be immediately established, and that all questions relating to Protestant religious and scholastic matters are to be referred to it. We notice that no hint of concession on the vital point of retaining or abrogating the old synodal divisions has yet appeared. Much was made at Vienna, and it was accepted too easily here, of General BENEDEK, the new pro visional governor, being a Hungarian. He is, it is true, a Hungarian by birth, but by birth only. M. SZEMERE, formerly minister in Hungary, tells us, that " he is not so either by mind, by heart, or by his antecedents." P,orn in 1804, since fourteen years of age he has been an Austrian collier ; that his life has been spent in fighting against national liberties in Italy and Gallicia ; that, in the latter country he was the foremost man in that bloody perfidy, in which the Hapsburgs paid the peasants a sovereign per head for the murder of their land lords ; and, that in 1848, he was the only officer of Hungarian origin who served the Hapsburgs by fighting against his native country, and by shed ding the blood of his relations, his brothers and his countrymen !" What can be said of the appoint ment of such a man as a pledge of conciliatory intentions ? He has now arrived on the scene of his labours, and the course he has taken is very much what might have been expected. Ostensibly he is sent to conciliate, in reality, we fear to subjugate. He is reputed to have an iron will ; and the story is, that he " threatens to break the neck of any of his sub ordinates who neglect their duties." At the same time the subordinates, it is said, are doing all in their power to widen the breach between the people and the Sovereign. Why does not BENEDEK put at once a stop to this ? Why is M. ZSEDENYI, the unjustly convicted patriot of the Kaesmark meeting, treated like a common malefactor, denied sufficieat food, and almost starved to death ? Why was even the Roman Catholic bishop forbidden to see him, and why are the patriot clergymen still punished with fines and imprisonments ? On the one hand, BENEDEK is, by his visits and invitations, apparently wishing to conciliate the Liberals; on the other, he very strongly asserts his determination to bend all to the sceptre of the Hapsburgs. lie told them that he loved his native country and its inhabitants with all his heart ; but that, in his capacity of Com manding-General, he should recognise but two classes of men—" the class that was loyal and obedient to the EMPEROR, and the class that was not." It may be that, after all their sufferings, the Magyars are not disaffected to the sovereignty of a Hapsburg—that all they wish is to find an honest and loyal King of Hungary—and that, could a Hapsburg but enter on a course of loyalty to Hur gary, Hungary would be loyal to him. The notorious fact is, that all disloyalty has begun with this insanely, despotic, brutal, and perfidious THE, :SUN, LONDON, SATURDAY EVENING, MAY e 5, 1860 family. They have had a nation to deal with, at once the most numerous, powerful, and brave portion of their subjects a nation which took its position on European soil by its valour, prior to our Norman Conquest—and which has never lost its character—and this noble country these Imperial savages have dealt with as a subor dinate appanage of their really contemptible Ger man Archduchy, and endeavoured to Germanise its constitution, its administration, its divisions, its laws, and even its language ! All this it has at tempted in defiance of solemn engagements, by that peculiar combination of Jesuit cunning and cruelty for which this family—the pest of that part of Europe—has been conspicuous throughout the greater part of its history. What curses have been, what curses at this moment are, two Royal families to several fine nations! When will Naples, Spain, and the states of Austria throw off the incubus of the BOURBONS and HAPSBURGS ? Sir G. C. LEWIS appears to have been betrayed into a scheme which we hope he will have the manliness to repudiate, now that he has been ap prised of its real object and of its objectionable character. We refer to the abuse of the Census, by converting it into an inquisition into every per son's religious creed. It is gravely proposed to ask every English man, woman, and child too, for aught we know;what is their faith! At the last census a perfectly unobjectionable and interest ing return was obtained of the number of worshippers in each place of worship in the kingdom. The managers, by whatever name designated, of each place, were courteously asked to count their congregations on the same Sunday, and but few indeed were churlish enough to refuse compliance. An authentic account was thus ob tained of the number of worshippers, and of the extent of accommodation belonging to each deno mination. Statesmen, philanthropists, and reli gionists all found the information useful, and all would like to have the same in formation for 1861. What influence, then, induced the Home Secre tary to change the form and plan of a census return, thus interfering, so materially, too, with its most important use—the comparison of one Decen nium with another ? What could have persuaded him to exchange the return which could be un pleasant to no individual, for one which tens of thousands would resent ? To know what is being done for the religious instruction of the nation is an object of native interest ; to know what each man thinks, or will say he thinks, about religion is no one's concern. Sure we are that we should be disposed to return no very civil answer to the person who put to us the question, What is your religion ? And if he referred to the authority of Parliament and the Home Secretary, we should tell him that it was no more their business than his. Yet this question is to be answered, under a penalty ! Wliaj, we wonder, would be the penalty if we placed in the inquisition column, Mahommedan or Buddhist ? We regret to be compelled to affiliate this un worthy scheme to some pragmatical Churchmen. The draught plan betrays its parentage. It divides all the numerous denominations of England into but two, Churchmen and Dissenters. We have not a shadow of doubt that the history of this dirty business is, therefore, as follows :—The Bishop of OXFORD and sundry others likeminded, were touched to the quick to find, in 1851, that the State-paid Church was in a minority of worship pers. They wriggled and writhed all ways to slip out of the undeniable fact. They have had no peace whenever they have thought or heard of it ever since. It occurred to them, therefore, that if they could put the Government off inquiring a second time— What is each denomination doing for the national object of instructing thepeople? and could get itZto make the inquiry—Are you a Churchman or a Dissenter ? they might cut a very different figure. And we have no doubt they would. They well knew that nearly all the paupers receiving parish relief, or the proceeds of charity, all the in mates in gaols, all the soldiers and sailors, would call themselves Churchmen. The 'Wesleyans, they knew, have been taught carefully by their leaders not to think themselves Dissenters, although none can be so more truly. But dissent is liberty—the lethodi6t Conference is an oligarchy of despots ; and they teach, therefore, their innocent subj cts to look with horror on the license, as they term it, of dissent. Hence, the vast Methodist body, which in the last census properly increased the numbers of Dissenting worshippers, would be, on the pro. posed plan, enumerated with Churchmen. Then, again, the vast host of nothingarians—the masses who attend no place of worship, would all call themselves Churchmen. Having no kind of interest in religion, yet not liking to say so, they would describe themselves as being of that religion which bells din into their ears, steeples display to their eyes, and church rates, parish proceedings, and tithes, and so many things connected with State privileges, compel them to know of through their pockets. There can be little doubt that from all these causes, and others which might be mentioned, the Churchmen would obtain by such a return a vast majority of professors of their creed. But what would be its real value ? It would not even show how much religious profession there is, for the man can hardly be said to be of any particular pro fession who worships nowhere. It would not show how much religious instruction there was, and whether it had increased in proportion to the population since 1851. It would not even tell us the extent of that degree of interest in religion which takes a person to public worship. The scheme has one sole object—that of magnify ing the Church of England by showing the large majority which would profess to belong to it. With intelligent persons, much more with really religious persons, such a display would go for nothing. As well might a European army in India enumerate the camp-followers, which outnumber it by far, amongst its efficient force. But it would serve the purpose of Exeter and Oxford vanity, and would be unscrupulously used to those who could not see through it. We trust, however, that such a shabby trick cannot survive exposure. Let us have again the old and useful schedules of 1851. The Six-feet Volunteer Guards (32d Middlesex) will muster at head-quarters next Wednesday, at five p.m., to march to Walham-green, Viscount Ranelagh, Colonel.. Commandant of the South Middlesex Rifles, having in vited them to drill with his regiment previously to the field-day, on the 18th inst., of the metropolitan volunteer corps in Hyde-park. MELANCHOLY SUICIDE.—O❑ Thursday night Mr. Straight, clerk of arraigns at the Central Criminal Court, committed suicide by hanging himself in his bed room. The deceased gentleman had held the responsible office referred to only a short time, having succeeded Mr. Clark, who died suddenly from diphtheria in July, 1858. lle was widely known and universally respected. According to the annual circular of Messrs. Schlusser and Co., of St. Petersburg, just issued by Mr. Horny Willis, it appears that the total quantity of tallow available for shipment this year will be about 133,000 casks, in consequence of the largeness of the quantity kept back last :autumn by the Moscow speculators. Of hemp the quantity will be about 27,000 tons ; of flax, 11,000 tons, being much less than last year. The supply of oats was expected to be about 600,000 quarters, from which is to be deducted the consumption of the city, which is about 50,000 quarters per month. The ice on the Neva, in consequence of a most violent storm, had broken up, but it was still fast at Cronstadt, although expected to move every hour. SENTENCE OF DEATH COMMtYTED.—A communi cation was received on Wednesday at Dundee, from the Home Secretary, commuting the sentence against Bridget Kiernan, presently lying under condemnation, to penal per vitude for life.—Edinburgh, Deily Coltrane. LATEST NEW • The following telegrams were received at Mr. Reuter's office : ROME, MAY 3. A, proclamation of the Pope has beet published to-day, in which his Holiness makes an appeal to the Catholics on behalf of the subscription to the new Roman loan of 50,000,000 francs, bearing in• terest at 5 per cent. The bonds are of three cate gories —viz., 100, 500, and 1,000 francs each. The subscription has been opened in the capitals of Europe. Belgium has already subscribed 15,000,000 francs. PARIS, MAT 5. The Moniteur publishes a decree fixing the indi vidual payment for exemption from military ser vice at 2,300 f., and the bounty on re-engagement for seven years' service at 2,000 f. GENOA, MAY 4. An English man-of-war has arrived here bring ing news from Marsala to the 24th, Trapani to the 25th, Palermo to the 26th, and Messina to the 27th ult. The insurrection continued. One regiment had refused to march from Palermo, as the soldiers im mediately on leaving the city would be exposed to the fire of the insurgents. Five of Aim principal inhabitants had been sub- mitted to the judgment of the civil tribunal of G ir genti. The arrests continued at Messina. Marsala was tranquil. Three Neapolitan steamers were watching the coast. PARIS, MAY 4. M. de Lavalette has left for Constantinople. A letter, dated Barcelona, Wednesday last, from a good source, says : " The Spanish Princes have spontaneously offered their abdication. " The Princes have further promised to renew the abdication on their arrival in a foreign country, and to write to their brother Don Juan, requesting his adhesion." FRANCE. PARIS, FRIDAY, The Illoniteur contains en Imperial decree con ferring the rank of grand officer in the Legion of Honour on Vice-Admiral Count Serra, commander - in-chief of the Sardinian navy, The same decree nominates four other officers, in the same service, to the rank of commander ; six to that of officer and 18 to that of knight, as a reward for the ser vices rendered during the war of Italian indepen dence. The Constitutionnel makes the following remarks : —" The Lisbon journal brings us wonderful news. An English fleet, with 12,000 men on board, is at this present moment expected at Lisbon. What can these 12,000 men be sent there for ? To pro tect Portugal against the execution of a treaty con cluded between France and Spain, in virtue of which the Government of Queen Isabella is to cede to France the Balearic Isles and Navarre, in exchange for the annexation of Portugal ! In publishing this intelligence the Portuguese journals maintain their gravity, which is more than we can do. An English fleet with 12,000 men on board for operations on land, a treaty ceding Navarre and the Balearic Isles to France, Spain absorbing Portugal, constitute altogether one of the best canards we have heard of for many a day. Far from seeking to throw any doubt upon the state ment, we will only congratulate the Portuguese journals in this effort of their inventive powers. It is hardly possible to be more successful in rivalling Punch." A letter from Nice, of the Ist says :—" The Olaff returned to Villefranche the day before yesterday. She brought back to Nice the Grand Duchess Maria, who had gone to pass the Easter week at Rome. There appears not to be sly doubt that the departure of the Empress Dowager of Russia has been deferred, and that her Majesty will be still here when the Emperor and Empress ot the French arrive." It is stated also that a petition to the Emperor, praying that the title of Count de Nice may be conferred on the Imperial Prince, is being numerously signed in all the towns and villages of the county ; and that the ladies of the city are signing a similar petition to the Empress. The delegates of the Commercial Committee of that important city have, consequently, drawn up a statement, disapproving M. Magne'e scheme, and they have sent copies of it to the members of the Legislative Corns. The document is as follows : Until the year 1854 foreign wines, on their en trance into France, were subject to the following duties : Ordinary wine, imported by land, 16f. 50c. the hectolitre, the decime included. Ordinary wine, imported by sea, 36f. 50c. the hectolitre, the decime included. Fine wines, whether imported by land or see, 110 f. the hectolitre, the decime included. The four years 1850, 1851, 1852, and 1853 have given the following results with respect to ordi nary wines : " Hectolitres received Hectolitres Duty levied, ^ Years. in ent repot. consumed. Francs. 1850 4,316 .. 593 .. 15,951 1851 4,430 .. .. 682 .. 17,604 1852 .. 9,400 .. 627 .. 16756 1833 .. 26,880 .. 863 .. 22,863 45,050 2,765 73,174 Being on an average 690 hectolitres yearly, baying produced the Treasury a revenue of 18,260 f. Under the same regime and during the same years fine wines gave the following results : 1850 .. 4,570 .. .. 2,602 275,589 1851 3,970 .. 2,638 .. 279,092 1852 .. 3,760 .. 2,851 .. 308,115 1853 4,880 .. 3,614 .. 360,115 17,180 11,70.5 1,222,941 Being an average for each year of 2,926 hectolitres, having produced to the Treasury a revenue of 305,735 f.; or a total average for all foreign wines of 3,617 hectolitres, having produced the Treasury a revenue of 323,983 f. The duties on foreign wines were abolished in August and September, 1854, and replaced by a duty of 25 centimes or with the decime 271 cen times. The four years which followed this change give the following results for ord;nary wines : Years. Hectolitres Received Hectolitres Duty Levied. in Entrepot. Consumed. Francs. 18:5.5 .. 403,520 .. 395,542 112,351 1856 .. 330,300 .. 325,476 .. 9 7, 55 7 1856 .. 618,910 .. 611,377 .. 183,512 1858 .. 108,350 .. 100,710 .. 30,287 1,461,080 1,433,087 423,710 Being an average consumption of 358,272 hecto litres, having produced to the Treasury an average revenue of 105,927 f. During ;the same period fine wines figure on the Custom-house book as follow : Years. Hectolitres Received Hectolitres Duties levied .........,. --...... —.... ......... in Entrepot. — Consumed. Francs. 1855 1856 1857 1858 , 71,220 69,400 20,600 " Being an average consumption of 17,350 hecto litres, having produced an average revenue of 5,150 f. to the Treasury. In a word, when we compare the two periods we find the average results have been— Average from 1850 to 1853: Importation. Consumption. Duges Ilectolitres. Ilectolitres. Francs. Ordinary wine 11,260 690 .. 18.260 Fine wines 4,295 .. 2,926 305,735 25,555 3,616 323,995 Average from 1855 to 1838 : Ordinary wine 365,270 ..358,27' Fine wines 105,927 5,150 383,075 375,622 111,077 In fine, if we decompose the origin of the wines imported, we find that of the 375,000 hectolitres of ordinary wine imported on an average each year of the second period, more than 300,000 are Spanish, and of the 17,000 hectolitres of fine wines more than 8,000 are likewise Spanish. It is under these circumstances that the Govern ment proposes on the occasion of the Law on the Budget to tax foreign wines on their arrival in France with a duty of 12f. the hectolitre, a duty which, according to the preamble of the bill, is to bring to the Treasury an additional revenue of 1,170,000 f. In order to obtain such a result the consumption must rise to 106,000 hectolitres a year. An examination of the preceding figures will show that such a result cannot be obtained. If with an average duty of 25f. the hectolitre a duty which was only 15f. for wines arriving by land (and all Spanish wines may arrive by land) there entered only 690 hectolitres a year from the year 1850 to 1853, how can it be expected that with a duty of 12f. —that is, of only 3f. the hectolitre less—there can arrive nearly 100,000 hectolitres—that is, nearly 150 times as much ? On common wines 15f. the hec tolitre, and the decime represented 162 c. the litre, 12f. and the decime will represent 133 c. The dif ference to the consumer will not be felt, and no im portation will take place. The hopes expressed in the Budget must consequently be reduced to their real value, and we must admit that the importation of ordinary wine will fall to the old figure, or nearly so-690 hectolitres—it may reach 800 or perhaps 1,000 hectolitres, and the Treasury will receive at most the sum levied previous to the year 1854, viz., 20,0001. As for fine wines, an article of luxury of which the value is so high that a dif ference of 131-e. the litre will not stop the con sumption, it may reach the average of late years, viz., 17,000 hectolitres, which will produce, at 12f and the decime, 225,0001., which, added to 20,000 f. gives 245,000 f. ; being an increase of 134,000 f. over the produce of the existing regime, which is 111,000 f. Thus, with the supposition of a large importation of fine wine: equal under the regime of duties to that which took place under free trade, a surplus may be expected, not of 1,170,000 f., but of 134,000 f. Can a surplus of 134,000 f justify a measure so opposed to the liberal principles proclaimed by the Government ? Six years' experience had proved that the free introduction of foreign wines could not injure the wine production in France, as in the year when importation was greatest (610,000 hectolitres in 1857) there only entered an inferior quaatity by 1-1-- per cent. of the annual average production of France (45,000,000 hectolitres). This experience was a good example given by the agricultural in dustry to manufacturing industry. Not a com plaint was heard, not a voice demanded the re-esta blishment of the duties, no agricultural or commer cial interest was found injured. On the contrary, the consumer profited by the influence of the im portations on prices, and the people by an abundant and wholesome product. Commerce had large pro fits ; the marine and railroads were largely employed, and the payment abroad was effected not in money, but by the exportation more and more active of the proaucts of French industry. The proof of this last fact would be easy to give, for Spain particularly. These favourable results are not the only ones. The influence of the foreign market has maintained a normal equilibrium in the prices of our own markets. The deficiency of our harvests could not paralyze our export trade, and the progress which the French themselves taught to Spain in the art of getting in and preparing the wine made of the Peninsula a sort of annex to our wine-producing districts. These districts see with pain that in a fiscal paint of view, which certainly will not be satisfied (and which, even were it satisfied, will be in all cases without real importance), they are ex posed to the risk of losing the advantages of a liberty which, with so much reason, is sought to be con- ferred on all the articles of international traffic. They hoped, on the contrary, that, strengthened by the Treaty concluded with England, by the ini tiative which it took in 1854, in admitting foreign wines for French consumption, our Government would demand especially of Spain to reduce to a reasonable rate the duty of about 1501. the becto litre, which was levied on the wines of France. The taste for articles of luxury is progressively developed in Spain ; and the day that a treaty will open freely the Pyrenees to our Bordeaux and Champagne wines a great exchange trade will be established, and will contribute, by all the indirect means of public prosperity, to enrich the Treasury much more than the re-establishment of an illusory duty of a nature to inevitably paralyse transactions. We mention Spain particularly, because its wines enter for more than in the entire sum of the imports of France ; but the same reasons for exchange exist with all other wine countries. The more importa tion is facilitated the more shall be developed the exportation not only of the wines so esteemed and so various of all the wine-producing countries of France, but also that of the other products of our agricultural and manufacturing industry. . Ordinary wine is an object of current consump tion, bought by a class who can pay a certain price, but who cannot go beyond it. The price of ordi nary wine is from 30 to 45 centimes the litre. A duty of ln centimes is a duty of 30 per cent. at the minimum, and which may be raised to 45 per cent. When the principle of prohibition has just been abolished, when every duty exceeding 30 per cent. has been declared to be a prohibitive one, it would be a matter of regret that to the detri ment of the consumer, to the detriment of commerce, in opposition to the Interests themselves of the French wine producers, a prohibition which nothing can justify should be established. We believe that it will suffice to indicate to the Government the true state of the question to induce it to giee up a measure to the consequences of which it behoves us to direct its most serious attention, in order that nothing should occur to diminish the satisfaction felt in these parts of the country at the liberal and salutary measures which we have been the first to welcome. (Signed, in the name of the committee.) i ARM AU DL A LAN DE, Delegated PAUL MESTRIZAT, Commis-,,. ALEXANDRE LEON, sioners. Bordeaux, April 21. BOURSE, May 4.—The market has been steady on ltente, with restricted business. Threes, after having been done at 71f. 25c. and 71f. 35e., receded to 71f. 25c.; Mobilier varied from 700 f. to 710 f. ; Orleans, 1,350 f. to 1,355 f.; Northern, 995 E to 997 f. 50c, ; Lyons, 90f. to 932 f. 50c. ; Eastern, 625 f. to 622 f. 50c. ; Southern, 526 f. 25c. to 525 f. The following are the last quotations:— II per Cents. .... 96 50 Credit Foncier.... 800 --I Do. end month .. Belgian 41 .. -- 3 per Cents 7l 30 Piedmontese (5) .. 81 Do. end month 7l 35 ; Roman B5 25 Bank Shares 2860 Austrian Credit Msbilier .. 715 Spanish Threes Do. Acceunt ILLILW.SY 9. Cash. Account. Orleans Northern . 993 997 50 New ditto BB3 885 Lyons and M2diterranean ...... 931 25 .. 932 50 Geneva 425 .. 425 Southern Western 572 50 .. Eastern Sardinian 425 .. 427 50 Austrian Lombard .. Exchange on London, at sight, paper, 25f. 18c. ; money 25f. 170.; three months, paper, 24f. 87c. ; money, 24f 86c. SWITZERL AN D. The Bund of Berne gives explanations on the subject of a somewhat extraordinary proposition made to the Department of War, to arm in a par •ticul>>r manner certain Swiss corps. The idea, it appears, belongs to an inhabitant of the Grisons. Persuaded that in the event of hostilities the Swiss cannot contend with the bayonet against the Zou ayes, this worthy citizen has demanded that re volvers of six barrels shall be distributed to 12,000 or 15,000 Swiss, and that a like number shall be armed with nwrgenstern—a sort of club, of which the head is provided with iron spikes of a triangular form. The men armed with the niorgenstern are, he states, to fall on the French at the moment of their attark with the bayonet, and to annihilate them in the twinkling of an eye, On this the Patric i emarks :—" NOthing, it is seen, could be more simple or more expeditious - 1 That such a project should have entered the head of an inhabitant of the Grisons in search of na tional defences is not extraordinary ; but that cer tain Swiss journals should seriously recommend it, and that the War Department should, as is alleged, take it into serious consideration, has caused Ls some amusement not unmingled with surprise." SARDIN lA. A Paris letter, in the .Nord, says :—" I have more than once had occasion to state that the King of Sardinia and Count Ca.vonr intend to follow a moderate policy with regard to the affairs of Italy. As a new proof of their moderation, lam now enabled to mention that Baron Talleyrand has re ported to the French Government that the King on his way to Bologna intended to stop at Arezzo, on the frontier of Ombria, but that having learned that the mountaineers of that part of the Pope's possessions intended to make a demonstration in his honour, his Majesty's visit to the town of Arrezzo was adjourned. Baron Ricasoli has addressed a circular, dated the 28th ult., to all the Prefects of Tuscany, in which he recommend them to make the District- Councils now about to assemble thoroughly ac quainted with the principles on which these insti tutions are based. lie remarks that they have been provisionally extended to Tuscany until the National Parliament shall have published a general law on the subject for the whole kingdom, in order to prepare the country for those extensive local franchises without which liberty cannot exist in a country like Italy, where municipal traditions form so conspicuous a feature of the national history. These franchises will in course of time enable the Government to depart from the principle of absolute centralisation, and to allow the municipalities to manage their own affairs under the supervision of the Central Government. The Corriere Mercantile nnnounces that the Sar dinian fleet is to leave Leghorn immediately for Rimini and Ravenna. A letter from Rome in the same journal states that numbers of French Legiti mist officers arrive daily to offer their services to the Pope, but that men offering to volunteer as pri vates are so rare as to be out of all proportion with the number of officers. The principal journals of Italy, the Diritto of Turin, the Pant 010 'of Milan, the Sentinetta of Brescia, and others, have opened a subscription for the sufferers by the insurrection in Sicily. Their example will, it is expected, be followed by all the press of Northern Italy. Letters from Alexandria mention that the Vice rod- has appointed officers from among the native Christians, an act of toleration which has caused a great sensation. The Journal de Maycnce states that the com mand of all the Austrian troops in Italy has been confided to Prince Alexander of Hesse. The Count de Brai-Steinburg, who represented Bavaria at the Court of Prussia, is about to be placed at the head of the legation of Vienna. lie is to be succeeded at Berlin by Count Monegclas, Minister at St. Petersburg. The name of the diplomatist who will be appointed to the Court of Russia is not yet stated. The Official Journal of Wurtemburg contains in its last number a violent article against the Prussian Government and the Prussian Chamber of Deputies. This article refers to the energetic conduct of Southern Germany with regard to the war in Italy, and says that it was neutralised by the pusillani mity of Prussia. It also calls to mind the share which Prussia took in the reactionary movement, and the days of Bronzell and Olmutz, and asserts that she is not justified in now making demands in favour of Electoral Hesse. The article concludes by requesting Prussia to display moderation, and not to cause division in the Confederation. INDIA. We have received papers from Bombay to April 11. The most important incident of the fortnight is the publication of certain strictures of the Madras Government - upon Mr. Wilson's proposed financial measures. The Bombay Times says In a minute remarkable for the quiet strength which pervades it, Sir Charles Trevelyan records his emphatic dissent from the measures now before Government, and protests in common with Mr Maltby that the three tremendous taxes of which the budget consists are at once needless, and impos sible of exaction, but at the cost of another rebel lion. There is no man of our times so much entitled to be heard with deference upon the subject of In dian finance as Sir Charles Trevelyan, and there is no concealing the fact that the minute has already brought the budget into wide discredit, and threat ens to unite all classes in opposition thereto. It is beginning very generally to be felt that in our haste to escape the incompetent administration of the Legislative Council we have too readily accepted the confident assurance of Mr. Wilson as sufficient guarantee of the wisdom that was henceforth to guide our finances. There is, of course, no greater liking for taxation in India than elsewhere; but with Sir Charles Trevelyan's warning in our hands, that a,revision of the estimates and reuction of the native army is all that is required to make our in come equal Our expenditure, while we avoid the odium and disaffection that will arise from the im position of these new taxes, we may be pardoned for giving this timely protest our cordial support. Sir Charles Trevelyan points out very justly that no pica of embarrassment can be urged in defence of the present measures, while the cash balances in the country amount to nearly £20,000,000 sterling, and afford ample room to cover any deficit of tl7i coming year, though it should finally be found to equal the £6,5110,000 apprehended by Mr. Wilson. But in point of fact the whole issue arises here. Ttie Madras Governor affirms confidently that, under an effective revision, the present income of India will be found equal to its expenditure. Owing to a radically faulty system, in which, from the very first, the expenditure of the country has virtually been without control or check, our mili tary expenditure has at last grown up to the enor mous amount of 20 millions sterling, according to Mr. Wilson's rough figures. The annual expendi ture of so vast a sum, without previous estimate or post revision of any effective kind, is a truly mon strous state of things; and the present period of embarrassment suggests forcibly the propriety of Sir C. Trevelyan's oft-reiterated demand, for let it be remembered that this protest is but a repetition of what, the Madras Governor has over and over again placed upon record, in so far as it treats of the necessity of imitating the English system of annual estimates. Instead of finding Mr. Wilson alive to the importance of the demand we find him positively countenancing the loose and -unsatisfac tory system that exists, and assuring us that he himself has a dislike for prospective budgets. Would he have ventured to say that in Parliament P What was the labour of Ilume's lifetime but the perfecting of prospective budgets, and eliminating therefrom every shilling of unrevised and needless expenditure ? The other news is unimportant. The ryot dis turbances continued, but a bill had been introduced into the Legislative Council for the summary en forcement of contracts for the present season. The Viceroy's progress had terminated. COMMERCIAL INTELLIGENCE. (From the Bombay Times and Standard.) BOMBAY, APRIL 10. The tone of our market since the 26th ult. has been decidedly dull, the improvement then noticed in the inquiry for cotton piece goods having par tially subsided, and few transactions comparatively being lately effected. The demand for metals also has been languid, while in exports generally there is little doing, in consequence of fewer arrivals of produce than is usual at this season. Money continues very easy, and the bank's rates are still as we last quoted them, viz., 7 per cent. for advances on the security of government paper, and 8 per cent. for the discount of short dated private drafts. The demand for government securities has con tinued good, and prices of all kinds have gradually tended upwards, our present quotations being 861 per cent. for Four, 96;1- for Five, and 105 for Five and-a-Half per Cent. paper. The freight market for homeward tonnage has experienced considerable variation, and there has lately been some difficulty in filling up the ships chartered for Liverpool before their lay days ex pire, and much lower figures have in consequence been .accepted for the port. We now quote to £2 15s. for cottoNi, and £2 ss. for seeds per ton. For London business has been done to some extent at £3 to £3 55., but there is now little disengaged room, and £3 10s. to £3 12s. 6d. is demanded for light freight, and £3 for seeds. There has been little variation in rates for China, which we now quote at Rs. 23 to Its. 24 per candy. The decline in exchange upon London has con tinned, the scarcity of China and local drafts ena bling the banks to tighten their drawing rates. We now quote bank and first•rate local drafts at 2s. Oid., and document bills 2s. ld. to 2s. ltd. per rupee. On Calcutta and Madras the rates at sight are 1011 per cent. and par respectively ; and on China at 60 days' sight Its. 222 per 100 doll. AUSTRALIA. By this arrival we have advices from Melbourne to March 17, Adelaide to March 19, and Sydney, by telegram, to March 16. At Melbourne the Land Bill was still under discussion. All the other legislative business that had been transacted had been of a merely local character. Respecting the gold-fields, the Melbourne _Herald says:— Since the departure of the last mail there have been complaints of a want of water all over the gold-fields; and our accounts are, therefore, not so encouraging as formerly. We have, in fact, to note a decline for the past month in the gold re ceived by escort of 30,413 ounces, as compared with the coresponding month of 1859, and of 34,015 ounces as compared with the corresponding month of 1858. The shipments of the last month show a falling off of 32,518 ounces as compared with the corresponding month in 1859, and of 113,617 ounces as compared with the corresponding month of 1858. MELBOURNE COMMERCIAL INTELLI GENCE. (From the Melbourne Herald.) The circumstance of the mail steamer having failed to arrive at her contract time has somewhat interfered with business. Since the commencement of the present month very few transactions of any magnitude have been completed. There has been another and more powerful reason why our mar kets have been reduced to a condition which has been the subject of general complaint, for confidence has been greatly shaken in consequence of three respectable firms having found it necessary to con vene meetings of their creditors. These suspen sions have, as usual, given rise to exaggerated ap prehensions regarding the unsoundness of trade in this colony ; and mischievous reports affecting the credit of other houses have been freely circulated, with the customary result. The position of the stock and share market dur ing the month is summed up as follows by Messrs. E. Khull and Co.: " The business of the stock and share market during the past month has been very unsettled, and, on the whole, of comparatively limited extent. At intervals dividend-paying stocks have been in some demand, and previous to the departure of the Great Britain such shares trans ferable to London were bought at high rates. Mining shares, with few exceptions, have been in bad odour, and while freely offered for sale have not met with any purchasers. A meeting of the creditors of Messrs. W. M. Bell and Co. was held on the 7th March. The liabilities (unsecured) were stated to amount to £48,000 and the total assets to £23,000, showing a deficiency of £25,000. To meet this it was pro posed to pay a composition of ss. in the pound in two instalments. This offer was favourably received. It vast stated at the meeting that the firm had been involved in grave difficulties since the year 1854. The creditors assembled appeared disposed to dis cuss the subject of their deliberations in a very liberal spirit ; and it would seem to be understood that the proposition to which we have referred will be accepted, always provided that it is not repudi ated by the creditors in the United Kingdom. A circular was issued on the 12th instant, con vening a meeting of the creditors of Messrs. Alex ander Wilson, Nephew, and Co., merchants, of this city. The suspension of Messrs. E. J. Wheeler, of London, is said to have rendered this step necessary. Messrs. Taylor and H. S. Smith were appointed at the meeting to wind up the estate. According to announcement, a meeting of the creditors of Messrs. Henriques Brothers was held or the 14th inst , at the offices, Lonsdale-street West. A statement was submitted by the firm, by which it was shown that the present difficulties were of a temporary character, and that 20s. in the pound would be paid if the creditors would consent to receive instalments of their full claims, with in terest, at three, six, and nine months. The offer was accepted without hesitation by the assembled creditors. From Adelaide we learn that the elections were still taking place, 16 out of 36 members having been returned. The following is from Messrs. Elder and Stir ling's commercial report : Adelaide, March 17. The long-continued and disastrous drought to which we have during many past months been com pelled periodically to allude has at length been broken by several welcome and heavy falls of rain. - Whether these rains have extended to the far north, where the greatest sufferings from drought have been experienced, remains, however, to be ascertained. The news •f the loss of the Blervie Castle, speedily followed by that of the John Sugars, however distressing in other respects, is not likely to affect our markets appre ciably. Consignees by the former vessels have already, in some instances, received ad vices of the indemnification for losses by the under writers and the re-shipment of consignments; and in all probability this will be the case with respect to a large portion of the goods shipped by both ves sels—a circumstance which can hardly be deemed matter for congratulation during the continuance of present overshipments for Australia. From Victoria we are at present almost daily in the re ceipt of intelligence of the stoppages of consider able and long-established firms. It fortunately happens, however, that this colony is little in volved in the chief insolvencies that have lately been declared in Melbourne. News of another kind from among our eastern neighbours is likely to affect us more largely, The recently opened Snowy River Diggings, near Twofold Bay, are in creasing in reputation and popularity, and unless unfavourable news should arrive, or counteracting zireumstances occur, are likely to cause a consider able drain of our adult male population in spring. For the present, however, the general knowledge of the climate of the newly-discovered gold dis trict—coupled, perhaps, with the salutary influence of its name—has sufficed to avert a considerable emigration, although one or two minor shipping houses have succeeded in findino. ° . less -informed pas sengers enough to fill a few small vessels for Two f'o'ld Bay. It is generally known that, however, brilliant the prospects of the new diggings may be operations must within a few weeks be altogether suspended there until the return of the warm wea ther. We have to report generally that the events of the past. month have caused trade in South Australia to be even somewhat duller than at the date of our last. Wool—Growers are firm, and are for the most part their own exporters. Very little is offering in the general market, the chance of rise or fall being in the majority of cases taken by producers them selves. Exchange—The banks issue bills on England at following rates :-60 days, 1 per cent, premium ; 30 days, 4 do. ; 3 days, 2 do. Buj ing rates, 60 days, 1 per cent. discount ;39 days, do. The following telegram was received at Mel bourne from Sydney on March 16 : " Buyers and Learmonth's liabilities are £44,000, and their assets £33,000. The gold fever has now reached an extraordinary height. Another field, said to be of surpassing richness, has been disco vered on the Tumut River, only ten miles from the Snowy River, Nuggets have been found i❑ profu sion, one weighing 131bs. There are already 1,400 persons on the ground, and people are rushing in crowds from Snowy River." The committee of shareholders appointed at the last meeting of the Great Western Railway of Canada have, assisted by Messrs. Coleman, Turquand, Youngs, and Co., the accountants, been occupied in examining the books and documents kept in the London office. The con tracts, vouchers, and accounts relating to the cost of con struction, rolling stock and plant, and the working of the &e., being kept in Canada, the committee have de cided that the investigation shall be continued there, and have arranged with the accountants that two of their firm (Mr. John Young and Mr. Alexander Young) shall at once proceed to the colony to conduct the inquiry. ANOTHER NINE HOURS' AGITATION.—On Wed nesday a meeting of journeymen carpenters was held at the White Hart, Drury-lane, for the purpose of further agita tion on this vexed question. Mr. Booth was moved to take the chair, and briefly explained the object of the meeting, which he unhesitatingly affirmed to be to take such measures as would secure the object by which so many had suffered in endeavouring to obtain. Mr. Osman, a plasterer, then pointed out the measures adopted by them as a body ; they had long been amalgamated. and now steps were being taken to amalgamate throughout the country; as that was the only security the labourer had against the growing tyranny of his employer. On Tuesday 150 men had struck, of whom 45 were non-society men, in the employment of Messrs. Myers, and who were engaged on the Palace Hotel. These men had "turned out" principally because of the treatment they had received front the men who had signed the "odious document." These men were continually taunting those belonging to the society about the late strike. A deputation had waited on Messrs. Myers, at first without success ; but the previous day a disinterested party further waited on Messrs Myers, and the quarrel was arranged by the non-society men being placed at the basement of the building (which is considered the worst part), with an inti • mation that on any further cffending, the offender, on being pointed out, should be instantly dismissed. Other speakers addressed the m,etirg, which was by no means a numerous one, calling on those who had met to give their nam e s with out delay in support of the short-time movement, and ulti mate success would follow. t