The Sun. — London, England, 1858-03-26 00:00:00

THE BEER-LOUSE SYSTEM. This afternoon a numerous and influential depute ion from various parts of the kingdom waited on the Home Secretary, at his offices, Whitehall, to present to him a memorial a gainst the evils of the present system of l i cens i n g beer-houses, and asking the right hon. gentleman to introduce a remedy. The deputation consisted of Mr. James Kitson, Mr. Robeit Baker, the Rev. E. Jackson, and Mr. John Jowett, jun., from Leeds ; Mr. W. E. Forster, York ; the Rev. A. F. A. Woodford, Southampton ; the Mayor of Bradford ; the Rev. Dr. De Willis, Mr. Chas. Hardy, Mr.' Wathen, and Mr. Rand, from Bradford ; Mr. R. Wood, from Manchester ; Mr. Johnson, Runcorn ; the Rev, Canon Browne, Gretton, Peterborough ; the Rev. H. V. Broughton, Wellingborough ; the Rev. William Church, Giddington ; the Rev E. Gillett, Waltham ; )(r. J. J. Wilson, Kendal ; Mr. C. A. Smith, Green wich ; Mr. George Leeman, of York ; Mr. S. Winter. house, of Halifax. The deputation was attended by Viscount Godericb, M.P., Mr. Wickham, M.P., Mr. Beecroft, M.P., Mr. Crossley, M.P., Mr. Collins, M.P., Mr. Dent, M.P., Mr. Powell, M.P., Mr. Tollercache, M.P., Mr. Basil Wood , M .P., Mr. Garnett, M.P., Major Edwards, M.P., Mr. Westhead, M.P., Mr. R. Stephen son, M.P., Mr. Bromley Moore, M.P., Mr. T. Egerton, M.P., Mr. Baines, M.P., Mr. Cheetham, M.P., Sir J. Potter, M.P., Colonel Wilson Patten, and others. The deputation was introduced by Viscount Godericb, M.P., and many of the gentlemen addressed the Rome Secretary on the subject, pointing out the evils that existed under the present system, and suggesting various remedies, the principal being the adoption of Mr. Hardy's Act of last session. In the country districts it was stated tohee • houses were no better than brothels and hot-beds of vice in its worst form. Mr. WALPOLE, in reply to the deputation, said that All agreed a remedy was necessary, but, as to give a distinct pledge of what s hould be done as he had been asked, he thought impossible, as three or four different ingestions had been made on the subject. He had fixed that day for receiving the deputation, in order that ke might be able to consider what they might urge during the reuse. He had directed other inquiries to be made on the subject, and he had no doubt that shortly after Easter he should be prepared to introduce a measure which he hoped would attain the object all had in view. The deputation then withdrew. LAW INTELLIGENCE.—(This Day.) 1110 USE OF LORDS._ APPEALS. Peers present—TO. Lord Chancellor, Lard Cranworth, and Lord Wensleydale. THE PROVOST, kc., OF DUNDEE AND ♦NOTHER V. MORRIS AND ANOTHER-NE PISTE AS TO CERTAIN RESPONDENTS. The further hearing of this part heard appeal cause was resumed this morning. Mr. Rolt, Q.C., resumed his argument for the ap pellant. Counsel fer the appellant— Mr.lt, Q.C., Mr. Ander son, Q.C., and Mr. G. H. Thom?. Agents—Mr. John Rogers, S.S.C., Edinburgh ; Messrs. Dodds and Greig, solicitors, Abingdon-street, Westminster, London. Counsel for the respondent—The Lord Advocate of Scotland, Sir Richard Bsthell, Q.C., and Mr. R. Palmer, Q. C. Agents—Messrs. Richardson, Loch, and M' Laurin, solicitors, George-street, Westminster, London. This is an appeal from an interlocutor pronounced by Lord Handyside, Ordinary, and also an interlocutor pronounced by the Second Division of the Court of Session in Scotland, refusing a reclaiming-note against the Lord Ordinary's interlocutors, which was to recall the said interlocutor submitted to review, to repel the defences for John Morris, the present respondent, to find, decern, and declare in terms of the summons, or at least to decern and declare, in terms of the first concla• sion thereof, tbat the testamentary writings left by the deceased John Morgan, sometime residing in Coates crescent, Edinburgh, contain a valid legacy and bequest of the whole of the residue of his moveable means and estate, after paying legacies, debts, and charges of ad ministration ; or at least so muck thereof as may be necessary for the purpose of erecting and establishing in the town of Dundee an hospital to accommodate 100 boys, and that the same are valid and effectual as testa mentary deeds of the deceased to that effect. The question is, whether these writings are effectual in law to constitute such a legacy. It is probable that the hearing will occupy the whole of this day. TENNANT ♦. MORRIS. The Lord Chancellor affirmed the judgment of the Pant Division cf the Court of Session in Scotland, and cliacaidsed the appeal with coati. COURT OF BANKRUPTCY. (Before' Mr. Commissioner Fane.) RI ALLEN AND 9311TH. UNIORTIINATE CASE. —This was a meeting for choice of assignees under the estate of these bankrupts, who had been merchants in Mark lane Chambers. The debts and liabilities are about 35,000/., of which about 13,000/. is secured by property at Stockhclm— tke joint assets are very trifling, but the separate estate of Mr. Allen, the sleeping partner, is, it is sup2osed, Were than sufficient to pay the credit ,rs in full. should the property at Stockholm realise its full Isla° there will be no large surplus, for Mr. Allen Smith was bankrupt only three years since, and one of his first acts on joining the partnership was to expend 1,380/. on his Ravensbourne Park Eitate. Assignees were chosen. BE CHANDLER. The bankrupt applied to pass on accounts by Masi 3. Butler and Cannings. He was opposed by Mr. Chitty, on the petition of his brother, a former partner, and after some discussion the bankrupt passed. IN BE CAIINN. Th• bankrupt was a merchant at Mark-lane, and passed his examination on accounts by Mr. E. Harding, showing a loss of 734/. by tke Magdelena Steam Com pany, and 1151. by the screw colliers. POLICE MET.T.TGENCE.— (This Day, ) • MARLBOROUGH-STREET. • 'EXTESSITZ ROBISIRY or LEAD.—James Wyatt, 18, William Weston, 22, Joseph Routledge, 56, Charles Rootledge, 13, were charged before Mr. Bingham, with being in possession of 3501b5. of lead, and a copper, sup posed to be stolen. Sergeant Vincent Gummer, 21 C, said that on the previou night, while in Deac-street, he noticed Wyatt sad Weston drawing a truck. He followed them to the bektost of Beard's-street, when they stopped near a marina-store shop, kept by the elder Routledge. He saw the prisoner Weston take out of the truck a bag, AO go into Routledge's house by a private door, Wyatt remaining with the truck. Weston then came out and went to the truck again, and was in the act of taking out another bag when, seeing another officer come along, he called him, and went up to the truck and asked them what they had got there, Weston replied, " Property I am going to take down the c4eirt." The prisoners both ran away, leaving the truck in-the street, with several bags in it containing lead and • eopper. He purened the prisoners, and, assisted by another officer, took them into custody. Weston re sisted a good deal, and kicked him severely and knocked him down. He then went to the prisoner Routledge's shop, and asked where the bag was wVch the prisoner had brought io. The elder one said he knew nothing about it. After a short time, and when it was seen that he was going to make a search, the younger Routledge said " Here it is ; I was just going to give is up to You," and produced a bag containing two pieces of lead, w..ighing about 1} cwt. The lead was sheet lead, and I ' 4 no doubt been cut from a roof. Westoe, when he went in with the lead, passed through the shop into the parlour at the back. , Mr. Ic.ngliana said he shculd like to hear a little more of the case. He should, therefore, remand Weston and Wyatt till Thursday, discharge the younger Routledge, and wool f tales time to ccniider as to admitting toe (Aber prisoner to bail. THANES. MARlllil BUEGLART.—IMPOBTANT CAPTURE.—henry Smith and James Thompson, returned convicts, and • described as seamen, whose appearance in court created _uo small degree of excitement arnonget the land and river ,police, were brought before Mr. Yardley charged with breaking into the cabin Of the brig Z. , opiaite, lying in the plot, and atsaling therefrom a portmanteau, a %citing-desk, three coats, tw) pairs of trousers, and a asset, Eve shirts, and numerous other articles, the pi o• l iberty of Captain Arthur F. Paterson , roa,t,r cf the 17." 4 ...ta . xl. c gi , ve_p v air s of trousers, live fl :oriel shirts, nine , u . dk u z u lz , fi r e pa irs of drawers, four e..:tton jackets,: si n t,m, i tt , ,. and other property, belonging to Mr. Chas. ma le of the Z }oph:te. It appeared tormon:mera:hiisovid;zlee cf George Cox, a Thames police. his boat's crew, that they were on duty ~,,,, ‘ tti a ,: d r . prisoners ancicera in thi:'d police ga ll e y, and saw the be s d they Were able. Thy !sail, a barge, jump into a b oa , , and tow away tozar.cin, Wapping Old-stairA, as bard t Thames police knew his man , en c. ~ Geisvpeera::nthmievyeei,:e. Cox sung oat to b thieves, wheti sad the police ga i ve l parlance overhauled and atteropted abase to the ttoheyboas7dn, Old-stairs jumped on shore, ibnuntanthtieca three thieves by one tremendoua ,pull, rowed into Wapping was m ;d e by the Thaw" and ran away. A pursuit 4)alice, and after a long rue d . ers made a The prison the prisoners were caP' - lured, The third man escap . In 'determined resistance before they , 6e . ers . bad the e s prison ecured returning to the barge, w hich„ w h o l e of bsl* teen to leave, they thefound TitlE SUN, the property the prisoners were now charged with stealing in the hold. The captain and elate of the Zoophite identified all the property which bad been stolen from the cabin and state room of the ship. The cabin had been broken into while the captain, mate, and crew were asleep, and every portable article of value removed. The captain's writing desk contained his papers and documents of considerable importance The prisoners bad put on a few things belonging to the captain and mate, and they were taken from them. Evidence of similar convictions summarily was given. The prisoners had been convicted summarily six or seven times. They had also been convicted by juries. Mr. Yardley—l intend to commit there men for trial when the case is complete. Take the evidence of the inspectors as to the summary convictions, and bring me forward proof of their conviction by a jury on Monday next. I remand the prisoners till Monday. LONDON, nistrative ability he possessed. The business of the Home-office was already quite sufficient, if not more than sufficient, to occupy the attention of the ablest man, and he was sure that the end of the scheme, if adopted, would be the transfer of the Irish business to a separate department. The second scheme recommended was, that the Lord Lieutenant should merge into a Secretary of State, w ho should remove to London and conduct the business there instead of in Dublin Castle. He was far rom saying that this was impossible, but he thought it would be atteaded with great inconvenience. Personal communication between the lower officials and the Lord- L;eu:enant had been productive of much good in Ireland, but if this were carried out, that practice must cease. The third scheme was now before the house. It was proposed that a Secretary of State should be app3inted, but that the staff should he left in Dublin, and that during the recess the minister should reside in Ireland, but without the ceremony and splendour that now sur rounds the head of the Irish government. The objection t) this scheme was that it would place the head of the department at a di,tance from his subordinates, and it would therefore be quite impossible for him to be so well informed upon the details of hie administration as though he were on the spot. These were the three modes sug gested, and the oljnti3ns standing in the way of their adoption. He thought the obj3ctioes ought to be answered before any one of the alterations was tried ; but be that as it might, be did not think that the hon. and learned gentlea.an had proved that there were any great evils existing in the pr ?sent Government calling for the sudden and immediate change now pro posed. No doubt Island had wonderfully improved wihin the la=t t-,n years ; indeed, its progress was little short of miraculous. Far be it, however, from him to say that this improvement was attributable t 3 the exist ing mode of government ; but, on the other hand, he might fairly urge that the Government had exercised no pernicious, blighting, or retarding influence over the country. So far froth that being the case, it was gene rally admitted that the government of Ireland bad gone with the times, and that it had spared no pains to in crease the improvements which a bountiful Providence had vouchsafed the land. But it was said the office of Lord-Lieutenant was kept up for party purposes. He had no great experience in the tactics of the Castle, bat so far as he hal been able to inveetiga.e the matter, be did not believe there was any solid foundation for the stories told of political intrigue. No doubt there had been some intriguing ; but there were intrigues in Down ing-street as well as Dublin Castle—(a laugh)—and at one time he was disposed to imagine that there was some very mysterious influence?, always at work in`" Dublin Castle, but a close acquaintance with its affairs had not strengthened but rather altered that opinion. The recent levia at Dublin Castle showed that men of all shades of opinion were anxious to flock round the Lerd-Lieu tenant ' • in fact, there was a strong feeling prevailing in Ireland that the Castle was now neutral ground whereon parties of all shades of opinion could meet and enj ly each other's society. (Hear.) He believed this question was now being discussed by the Irish people themselves, and he was not quite sure whether a strong feeling had not sprung up in favour of a change. Public opinion upon the subject, however, was daisy growing wronger ; the people were getting more disposed to pay attention to their own domestic concerns rather than to mere party politics; but though a goodly proportion of them might be favourable to a change, it yet never could be brought about by the mere votes of English members. In order to do it satisfactorily the will of the Irish people must be first unmistakeably pronounced upon it, and the measure itself introduced into Parliament by the Minister of the day. The question therefore might be safely left in the hands of the Irish people, and he entreated the house not to fall into the error of adopting a motion to force upon them a change of administration which it was just poesills et no distant period of time a large proportion of them would be rea3y to propose themselves. (Cheers.) Sir G. C. LEWIS concurred in much that had fallen from the hon. and learned member for Sheffield ; but there was one point in the speech of the hon. and leareed member who bad moved the amendment from which he altogether dissented. He differed from the view he took of the office of Lord-Lieutenant. He disputed his propo sition that there was an implied contract in the act of union for is continuance. There was, he believed, no thing whatever in the state of the law rendering it neces sary to keep the office oF Lord-Lieutenant. The argu ment which he drew from the Act of Union was directly contrary to that entertained by the hon. member for Armagh (Mr. Millar); for if it had been the view of Mr. Pitt, or of the Parliament of the time, that the Lord- Lieutenancy should be maintained, that would have been provided for in the act itself. Therefore, so far as the propositions of the act were concerned, the inference he drew was that there was nst an intention to maintain the Lord-Lieutenancy. The reason for this was quite apparent. Before the union Ireland was a dependency of this country, and the Lord-Lieutenaney was calculated for the government of such a place. Tne government of Ireland before the union was similar to that of one of our colonies. There was a separate Parliament, and such being the case, a Lord-Lieutenant was a necessity. At the time of the union the office of L wd-Lieutenant was allowed to remain, though the Parliament was abolished. Toe position of the Lord-Lieutenant was, hewever, much altered ; instead of his position as head of the Par liament there, he thenceforward became the chief of a number of administrative officer?. At that time steam navigation was a thing as yet unheard of, and the packets to Dublin often beat about for more than a week in the Channel. Communication between the metro polis and the capital of Ireland was therefore liable to be suspended for a time ; and, under such circurn stances, there were many reasons why it was expedient that there should be a head of the administration resi dent in Dublin. There were, too, at that time, separate exchequers for Ireland and England— adistinction which now no longer eeieted. In addition to the fact that diffi• culties of this kind no longer txi,ted, was the further fact that since the anion departments had been created in Dublin which did not then exist. There had been created a department cf police, comprising a large body of men, who now undertook many duties which were for merly undertaken by the military. Besides the police, there was in Dublin a department for the administra tion of the poor law. These two constituted important departments of administration in Ireland, which bad a local character, and which might continue to hold their local position though the Lord-Lieutenancy no longer existed. On the other hand, the administration of re venue, the customs, taxes, and stamps, had been with drawn from Ireland, and were now located in London. All these things afforded facilities for abolishing the office of Lonl-Lientenant which did not exist at the time of the passing of the Act cf Union. Everybody must see that through the increased conveyaecee of steam and of the electric telegraph - - through the changes which had taken place in the mode of administration at Dublin since the year 1800—it was impossible to look for the permanent continuance of the offiee of Lord-Lieutenant. (Hear.) The house must indeed come, he thought, to the conclusion, that it should consider the office as a temporary one, to be left only until some mode of admi nistration could be substituted for it. Therefore, with regard to the first part of the resolution which had been proposed, he should be prepared to yield an assent to the views of the hon. member. But the resolution in volved a second branch, which was net the abolition of the Lord-Lieutenancy, but the establishment of a depart ment of Secretary of state charged with the affairs of Ireland. He must in the first place adroit chat looking to the question as one of expense, bethought no great saving could arise from the substitution of a secretary of state for the Lord-Lieutenant. His hon. friend had estimated the eepense cf,the Lord-Lieutenancy at 60,000/. a-year, but he did not say how he arrived at that sum, and he tSir G. Lewis) thought that the amount was over estimated. The salary of the Lord-Lieutenant was 10,0001. a-ye tr, and the household expenses could not exceed 5,0001. There were some expenses fur the maintenance of build ings—for keeping up the house at PS eenix-park, and at the Castle, but he thought it would be very difficult to swell the entire annual charge to a greater amount than 30,0001. a-year. An office of Secretary of State, with two under secretaries, and an establishment which would be necessary fur a Secretary of State, would not fall far 'short of 20,0001. Then there would be a sum for compensation; for on all changes of system there were per: gas to be compensated. Thus, fur some time, the amount which would be saved by such a change would he very slight. Hence the institution of another office of Secretary of State could not be considered as a matter of economy, but of administration. Dismissing the topic of economy, he came to the question whether it was expedient to eub stitute a Secretary of State for the Lord-Lieutenant. He wondered that the hon. and learned member did not upon this point refer to the precedent which history afforded of the Secretary of State for Scotland. The introduction of a new Secretary of State was a proposal made some years ago. Then his noble friend the member for the city of London (Lord J. Russell) was at the head of the Go verment, and at that time be (Sir G. Lewis) was pre pared to give his vote in favour of that proposal. But since that bill was introduced the house ha-. 1 created a fourth Secretary of State, they had divided the colonial and war departments. The question now arose whether it was ex pedient to conetiter e a fifth secretary. That somewhat al tered the position of the question ; and moreover, since that time the state of Ireland had become more tranquil, and less requiring the institution of a separate department for Ireland. He confessed that, looking at the matter as it stood at present, he wee not disposed to accede to the proposal for the creation of a fifth Secretary of State for Ireland. What would be the position of such a secretary during time recess" During therecess would he be required to visit Ireland and t resio:e there ! If so, how could he attend the meetings of the Cabinet, which generally took place during the recess, for the consideration of measures to be brought forward in the ensuing PArlia ment. If be were to live entirely in during the time when Parliament was not eitting, his position would be almost the same as that of the Lord-Lieutenant. If, on the other hand, he was to attend Cabinet meeting., it would not be possible for him to visit Ireland. He con fessed that it seemed to him teat the house ought not to require the abolition of the Lord-Lieutenancy until the affairs of that country were in such a position that the charge might be made without involving the creation of a separate It ish department. lie did not think that the time was very distant ts hen it would be possible fer the Home-office to give all general directions without tee necessity for a separate department for Leland. Until that time arrived—and he was not prepared to say it bad then arrived—it would, he thought, be letter to retain the present organisation. (C tests.) At the close of the right hon. gentleman's address much laughter was caused by the fact that nearly every Irish member present rose to address the house. The SPEAKER called upon Mr. BLACKBURN, who thought that the speech which had just fallen from the riat.t hon. gentlema'n proved corolusively the expediency of adopting the amendment which he (slr. Blackburn) had placed on the paper, viz., that the the motion should not go beyond the motion for the abolition of the Lord-Lieutenancy. Toe hon. m ena b eroppos it e (Mr. Roebuck) had attributed 1/4-Zettlua:4 ',s o_rr motive. It was not unusual in the hon. here seysral motives could he attributed ! to IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF COMMONS.—(YESTERDAY.) The following bills were read a third time and passed :—Cheltenham Water Bill, and Gosport Vi 7 cer Bill. THE MILITARY AT THE CAPE. Sir DE L. EVANS asked the Secretary for War what number of regiments had been sent from the Cape of Good Hope garrison to India ; the dates of departure of each of those regiments to the latest accounts received from thence, exclusive of any regiments which may have been diverted from other destinations to India, such as New Zealand, Ceylon, China, &c. ; and how m any British regiments remained at the Cape General PEEL said the following regiments were sent from the Cape of Good Hope to India—the 13th in August, the 95th in September, the 6th in NovembEr, and the 80th in December, and 230 cf the artillery in August. The regiments remaining at the Cape were the 45th, 85th, 12th, the second battalion of the 60th, and the 73d. /NDIA. Mr. CHEETHAM asked the Secretary of the Board of Control if it was the intention of her Majesty's Go vernment to constitute a Board of Public Works in each Presidency of India, distinct from these) Boards now existing there, whose special duties shall be the construe tion of roads, of works of irrigation and navigable canals, and the improvement of the navigation of rivers l Mr. H. BAILLIE said it was not the intention of her Majesty's Government to adopt the course referred to by the hon. member. If it could be shown that the Department of Public Works did not discharge the duties required of them, her Majesty's Government would consider the best means of providing a suitable remedy. (Hear.) THE CAPTURE OF DELHI. Mr. KINNAIRD asked ' the Secretary for War whether it was in contemplation to issue medals to com memorate the capture of Delhi to all those engaged in that memorable siege. General PEEL said her Majesty bad directed that a medal should be granted to all the troops engaged in the suppression of the mutiny in India, with a clasp for the capture of Delhi— cheers)—and also for the capture and relief of Lucknow. (Cheers.) LORD LIEUTENANT OF IRELAND. Mr. ROEBUCK moved that, in the opinion of this house, the office of Lord Lieutenant of Ireland ought be be abolished, and the office of Secretary of State for Ire. land at once created. The hon. and learned gentleman denied that he was an enemy to Ireland by pursuing the present course. He had always done his utmost for Ireland, and by doing away with this badge of slavery, and appointing a Secretary of State, he was advocating Ireland's being a portion of this great empire in reality. The Lord Lieutenant of Ireland cost 50,0001. a-year, without any corresponding benefit. The only persons interested in its continuanee were milliners and tailors, who supplied Court dresses. Mr. GILPIN seconded the motion. Mr. S. B. MILL A.R moved the previous question, on the ground that no valid reason had been given f,r this change, and secondly, that her Majesty's Government were not in a position to give the matter, from pressing business, their best consideration at present. He considered such a change should originate with the Go vernment, and not with a private member. A. central resident authority in Dublin was essential to the welfare of Ireland, and he quoted the opinion of the late Duke of Wellington to that effect. He protested against the revivals and incessant renewals of this motion for piece meal legislation. Mr. VANCE seconded the amendment. Cul. FRENCH condemned the course pursued by the mover of the amendment. The previous question was an ingenious device to get rid of a matter to which he (Col. French) considered a tacit admission that ti e mover and those who voted with him were unable to re sist the truth and force of the original resolution. He was surprised the previous question had been moved from the Ministerial side ci the house, because Lord Eglinton en a former occasion declared that the abolition of the office of Lord Liuuteoaet of Ireland would be beneficial to that country, an opinion in which that nobleman was joined by many of his present colleagues. The gallant colonel then referred to the system of exciu sion of Irishmen from the office of Lord Lieutenant and Chief Secretary, that had been adopted, though Irish men in all quarters of the world, and in every station I had shown themselves ecieal to Englishmen or Scotchtnen. The cost of the Lord Lieutenant hail been wrongly stated at 50,0031. a-year. It was only ' zs,oooi., and he inland that the Roma Secr,tary's offi.,:., 1 for England cost 24,0001., the Colonial 29,0005.. ae , l ! the War-office 121,0001. The question, be repeated, was one of sufficient importance to be met by a direct nega tive ; it was one which could only be considered at the request of the Minister of the day, who should be able to tell the house what substitute he proposed fur the Go- eernment of the Lord-Lieutenant, and who alone could assure Ireland that her law courts would be maintained despite such abolition. Moreover, it was only the Minis ter who could state what amount of compensation ought to be granted to the holders of existing offices, and for how long it should be granted. If the Minister should ever feel called upon to bring forward a measure of this nature, he should be ready to give it the fullest atten tion ; but until such an emergency did arise, he must decline te consider it upon the mere invitation of a pri rate member. (Hear, hear.) Lord NAGS would endeavour to -how to the house that the object which the bon. and learned member who made this motion had in view was not quite so easily at tainable as he supposed. There were many difficulties attending the consideration of this question, which ;.t appeared to him had not presented themselves to the mind of the hon. and learned member, but at the same time he (Lord Naas) should support the amendment of his hon. and learned friend the member for Armagh, on the general ground that he did not think it would be right to adopt a resolution which proposed to make a great change in the government of Ireland, without being first perfectly certain that the system of govern ment to be established in its stead exhibited an improve ' ment. Now, in discussing this question, he conceived the hon. and learned gentleman failed to make out that position, for although the hon. and learned gentleman had freely expressed his opinions upon many of the in conveniences and some of the am:malice attending the existing government, be had not yet shown that the re medy he proposed would remove any of those anomalies or inconveniences, or that it would supply a better sys tem of government than the present. Now, in consider ing this matter, they must dismiss from their considera tion what the hon. and learned gentleman had termed the financial bearings of the question. If the government of the Lord. Lieutenant could be shown to be the best that could be adopted, the house would certainly not al low the element of expense to enter into the consideration of the question, and therefore whether that mode of go vernment cost 30,0001., 20,000/,, or 40,0001. a-year was a matter with which the house had nothing to do. or could the convenience of a class be allowed to influence the question, because if it could be shown that the change would be beneficial to the entire country, no one set or class of inhabitants would have any right to complain of its being made. But the difficulties which he saw in the proposal of the hon. and learned gen tleman were none of these. The difficulties he saw were connected with the administration of the go vernment itself—difficulties which he did not think the hon. and learned gentleman sufficiently appre ciated. It would be well for the house to consider what was the system of government that now exists in Ireland. It was all very well to talk of the similarity between the law of Ireland and the law of England; but the fact was that at the present moment there was a greater difference between the mode of administering the laws of the two countries than the hon. gentleman appeared to be aware et. The administration of the Government of Ireland as csmpared with that of England was essentially based upon a centralised system. Government influence was exercised throughout all the ramifications of the system down to the lowest scale of appointments, and it would require considerable discretion, considerable ability, and great energy to do away at once with this system, which had obtained so long in Ireland. From the period of the Norman conquest down to the present day the principle of centralisation had regulated the Irish Government. Nearly every administrative department, if not all, was under the control of the Government ; and that eireune stance alone, if there were no other, was sufficient to show how difficult it weuld be to make the change no w proposed. Of this centralised system the Lord-Lieute nant was the mainspring and the head ; his duties were not quite those which had been described by the hen. and learned gentleman. He had other duties tf an im portant character to perform—duties requiring as much sagacity and as inech care as those of any member of the Government of this country. The Lord-Lieutenant was consulted upon all important matters of administra tion; when any serious public disturbance arose the Lord Lieutenant was the authority referred to, as shown in the recent disturbances in Ireland ; wh le during the last general election there were no less than 20,000 armed men in motion throughout Ireland, who were all aoting under the direetioa i f his excellency. Nor was that all ; so much was his authority mixed up with the adinini-tra. lien of justice that DO for:toner could be disposed of or lunatic confined without his sanction. (A laugh.) Hon. members might laugh; but though he did not mean to sili that his authority was exercised in every individual case, s,,,:,Eitee,iiii,er,,i.iedciii. say if an y difficulty arose, ii any peculiar case iftkir.1.1,,,,, tc t ,i t , - , : tu c .t onsid e ration of the question was ref- reed to , :. , t . . t:::: proposed I. htt eg,, government : (on time r : . ) f tthoWe timeie.lol ,rdn-aoLswies, Lord-Lieutenant. modesrnceiaeennsu Tineb . s a t: i nt:l ih remove viti,ot',:t.toList Lwlietubteanatcletrtar . rd his secretary abolinurr of i ober of his and the absorption otihtZe'llstriu'ate imperial executive. Teat gp e :2" t 't Irelits'lnl. ) s t Efice, by those who wished to see the o ,l iZrt hul :, t ee l i the made centered in the Home-office ; but for hi ra isP ih a t rt he -rt Z d t. , it quite impossible that any man could disclaartgl'e'tti-kk - ' e si Ira duties, no matter what hal r .--nt of !law or ,d:'s VEIDA Y El V E Nil NG, MAkRTII I 26, 1858 pick out the worst. The hon. member said that he (Mr. Blackburn) had brought forward this because there was no Secretary for Scotland. But, in truth, he did not desire any such officer for the country from which he came. His motivo in placing his motion on the paper was to do all that in him lay to render Ireland an integral portion of the British empire. He trusted to see one Ho me office with departments for each country. He be lieved that this would go far to put an end to any anta gonistic feelings between different parts of the kingdom. He had no desire that an Irishman should forget that he was a native of Ireland, or that a Scotchman should for get that he came from Scotland. He desire I, however, that all should remember they were Britons. (Hear.) Mr. ESMOND thought that no question had yet come before the house for the abolition of the Lord-Lieutenancy which had not been accompanied by sense scheme to re place the office. He believed this question really necessi tated the further question of the appointment of a fifth Secretary of Sato. He would remind the house that many high authorities had given their opinions on this. Sir R. Peel had given it as his opinion that the absence of a S e cretary of State for Ireland in this country—where he must be to attend Parliament—would be most inju dicious. So also Mr. Goulburn had given hie opinion to the same effect. Much had been said about the intrigues at the Castle at Dublin. But let the house hear what Sir R. Peel said with regard to that. That great states man gave it as his opinion that in the absence of Cue Secretary of State in ttie country, the greatest licence would be afforded to iutrigue. Mr. Canning had Ex pressed the same opinion :almost in the same words. The late Chancellor of the Exchequer ha I intimated that at the time of the union no engagement was entered into to keep up the L. rd-Lieutenancy. But if the honour of public men was to go for anything, that statement did not represent the actual facte. Mr. Pitt, in sup porting the measure, held out to the people of Ireland that, though the Parliament would be done away with, there would still be the head of the executive in Ire land. He could also bring to the support of hie views ❑o less an authority tha❑ the late Mr. Hume. That hon. member, in a discussion on this question, said that if the income derived frum Ireland was greater than its expenses, he should not object to its retaining the splen dour of a Lord-Lieutenancy. Now since Mr. Hume spoke the revenue drawn from Ireland had been nearly doubled, and were that gentleman now alive he should claim le'ne as a supporter of the ♦'siws which he entertained. The hon. member who brought forward this matter had not shown sufficient regard either for the Irish repre sentatives or the Irish people. A. most respectable and influential meeting had taken place in Dublin, at which it was unanimously resolved that the office of Lord• Lieutenant ought to be retained. The question was ore assuredly national, and he trusted the house would give due weight to the feeling of the people of Ireland upon it. (Hear.) So long as the majority of his countrymen I wished the office retained, he shoull strenuously oppse its abol tion. Mr. CONOLLY said he believed that while the office of Lord-Lieutenant was administered with impar tiality it would always have the support of the whole Irish people. Mr. DODSON deprecated the retention of the viceroyalty as being a variety of that double system of government which was now so generally condemned. E eery year diminished the number of excuses by which its continuance could be defended. In his opinion, the Horne Secretary, with the addition of another Under- Secret cry, could easily manage all the Irish business. Mr. GROGAN was rejoiced in believing that few members would go into the lobby with the hon. and learned member for Sheffield, but at the same time he must complain of the tone in which the question had been argued on both sides of the house. It was most unfair to Ireland to keep this question constantly before the public, and he hoped it would now be finally settled. Mr. BAXTER appealed to the financial reformers in the house to give effect to the principles they advocated by voting for the motion of the hon. and learned gentle man, and abolishing a source of expenditure which was net only unnecessary but mischievous. (Hear, hear.) He trusted that the Chancellor of the Exchequer would sig nalise his return to office by a revision of the estimates, and that he would le,gin by striking out of them the charge; connected wi h the Lord-Lieutenancy of Ireland. Mr. DOBBS, at an Irish member, was prepared to support thi protosition for abolishing the office of Lord- Lieutenant, on the ground that a government by deputy was always inferior to a government directly adminis tered. It was, however, hopele.se to attempt to do any thing in the matter until the people of Ireland declared themselves in favour of abolishing the office. Wnen that time came —which he would venture to prophecy would nut oe long —whatever Government was m power it would be compelled to make the change. The north of Ireland was already io favour of it, and even in Dub lin, during the la-t 15 years, public opinion had under gone a considerable c , ange on the euject. Mr. C FORTESCUE should vote for the previous question, but did not put the same construction upon it that the hon. and learned member who moved the amendment had done. He was not a! - de to go the length of the resoluion of the hon. and learned member for Sheffield. He had but lades love fur the institution in question, but he could not forget that it was a vital part of the government of Ireland, and was interwoven with the habits, the feelings, and the traditions of the coun try. Law and order bad not been so long established or so deeply implanted in the minds of the people of Ire land, as to render it safe to deal with a great institution like this without great caution. When the people of Ireland saw a proposal of this kind brought forward by a private member not connected with that country, and one who was r gaoled as rather of a destructive cis rirac ter—(a laugh)—they were not likely to have any great confidence in it. What a 'M.lnisiter ot the Crown destroys 1 , be was bound to build up—but f .r the constructive part of the hon. and learned member's scheme they had no security. He had, about six weeks ago, conversed with friends of his of the Conservative party when there was no expectation of their coming into office, and they a I denounced the Lord-Lieutenancy as a sham, but no,v the feeling of the great party oppo its was in f ivour of the Lord-Lieutenancy. If instead of the Lord-Lieutenant there was a Cabinet Mini-ter with a seat in Parliament, who could ocoviionally be in Ireland, it might be a better arrangement—but the present system greatly diminished the respoasibility of tie government ot Ireland. He felt, however, great difficulty in meddling wi.h this great in stitution, although he wished that some better machinery for the government of Ir-land could be adopted. Mr. VANCE regretted that the hon. and learned gen tleman (\lr. Roebuck) had not left this rnster in the t o ti f e tr p y e in o g pi t e e o g f e l t r a el h a o n s ci hands of the Government fc i hw n s thh t i e : a an d en. and learned gentle dmtielasir envewodtoetuo ir aldgraenitenoatst, sarihaa n ye woffiwih c shed to abolish, if he knew the country better than he did. The hon. and le trued gentle man had raised a subject of contention which would cause considerable discord if persisted in. He regretted that the previous qutstion had been moved, as he should have preferred that this question should be settled by a vote. He believed it would be Impossible to over-rate the dis content, and he would almost say the disloyalty, in Ire land which such a change would cause. Mr. W. EVANS, in declaring his intention to vote for the motion, said that the noble lord, the Secretary for Ireland, had stated that imp or t an t d ut i es were pst formed by the Lord Lieutenant which were peculiar to Ireland, butd be l e ( thought that it could not be taken for r g Secretary of State for Ire h d with I re l an d, and if sa, he d perform these r duti es . I n d ee d th a t func tionary ought always to be selected for his being conver sant with toe affairs of Ireland. The objection which formerly applied to governing I re l an d i n t hi s coun t r y was done a way with by the almost annihilation of time and space by modern science. It was desirable that the Secretary for Ireland seould have a seat in that house in order to answer qn 3 itimai relating to Irish affsers and to have Iri-b business under his care ; bet now it was cliffioult to field out who was responsible for what was going on in Ireland. Another ground on which he ob jected to the Lord-Lieutenancy was one with which he spoke wiih great deference to Irish members, and with out wishing to say anrhing offensive to them. He thought that the Lord-Lieutenancy was an anti-national institution and approaching to a badge of servitude. Then he objected to the continuance of this place on the ground o economy. Another reason which would induce him o vote name,; fir ein r :oti l e i motion that we should be not only in n wag, a a ilited kingdom. F o r the bu tht in 3a to I reasons he bad eta ed he should think it his duty to rea cord his vote in f evonr of the motion. Mr. P. O'BRIEN did not c incur with the member for Louth, that it was improper for private members to in troduce a mew:are of this description—that they were not prepared to have continuous agitation in Ireland on this question. He rose to identify tritnseif with what an hon. member opposite had called a time-honoured edifice. (Hear, hea-.) life did not think that the administration of Ireland should be left in the bands of a matt:ay com 'Dander, which he considered weuld be the result of abolishing the office of Lerd-Lieutenant of Ireland. Mr. BENTINCK regretted ihot the division had not taken pace 1 mg ago.`lie had listened to the speeches s . the hon. member for Seeffield, of the hon. member for Roscommon, and of the Secretary for Leland, and the then considered the question disposed of. He regretted that a night should have been wasted on such a discus sion. Mr. BAGWELL said he should not quote from for mer dehat,s. The ral question wa-e how they ,houlet best govern Ireland. There was an essential difference between Ireland and England. Ireland was a country of a d flerent race, and, he was sorry to say, of a diffe rent religion. Tee Celtic and the Angle-Six,m races had net mingled. The Angle-Salon hat no dou}A be come Celtic i n hi s f et l inge, b ut th e rac e s remained apart, and he was a f ra id there was littl e prospect of their speedy aeaalg aena i on. I n point of fact Ireland was go verned by 11,000 or 12,000 policemen, and 71 stipen diary magistrates. The institutions of the two countries were eetirely different, and, no doubt, in the unhappy state of Ireland under which the present system had grown up, Tawas wise and politic that it should be so. At the same time, he thought that the cl,lange now prc pwed would be better for Ireland, and bettee for Ecg lecd also. (Cheers.) Lerd J. RUSSELL acquitted the hon. and learned member of any !presumption in bringing f,rward this question ; for if the hon. gentleman held any strung opi nion with regard to the Lord-Lieutsnaney, er any other subject, Le had ony performed his duty in bringing it befere the house ; and the turn the debate bad taken must have convinced every one, not only that the euh jec' was Well worth conslderation, but that no long time was likely to elapse before the views of the hon. gen tleman would meet with a general concurrence. (dear, hear.) When honourable gentleman laid down the doc trine that there must be a separate administration in Ireland, they lost sight of the fact that circumstanced were always changing, and that with the change of cir ournetancee a change of policy might be very properly adopted. fie (the noble lord) did not deny that at the time of the Union there were reasons which might ren der it nee esary to keep up the executive in Ireland ; but it appeared to him that the circumstances of the country had so much altered that it had become a matter at all events worth con•ideration, whether it might not be advantageous even for Ireand itself that the separate executive should no longer exist. (Hear, hear.) In a debate on this subject, many years ago, Sir R. Peel gave as a reason, and as a conclusive reason, against the abo lition of the Lord-Lieutonancy, that it was ❑ecessary to have a Lord-Lieutenant, in order to consider, in capital cases, any applications which might be made for mercy ; but tho increaAed facilities of communication which had been established bad removed any (:ifficulty there would be in applying in such cases to the Home Secretary. (Hear, hear.) No doubt it would be better to have only one administration for the whole kingdom, and that was the opinion of one of the wisest statesmen who had ever arisen in this country. When the Union of Scotland took place, the Scotch Privy Council wai a time honoured body, and possessed of every advantage which had been attributed to the /cord-lieutenancy ; but Lord Somers said that the Union would never be ce,np'ete unless there was one admini , tration for the whole coon- try, and he therefore insisted upon its abolition, (Ilear, hear.) There was no doubt great difficulty in sayrig what should be put in the place of the Lord-Liu __. tenancy. Whenle (L)rd J. Raiseli), seven or eight years ago, introduced a measure the second reading of which was carried by a large majority, he proposed that there should be a Secretary of State for Ireland. Many persons felt a stro g objection to that proposition, on the ground that it would ke , ,, a separa , e Iri.l adminis tration. He (he noble lord) thought there was great force in the objection wbi'h had been made by his right hon. friend the late Lord Chancellor ; but that certainly was not the question that night ; and there were ways in which the difficulty might be surmounted. In the Home-office there were many funcioni which (11,1 not properly belong to it, aLd which might be separated from it. If chat were done there might ba only one Secretary of State for England, S;otland, and Ire land ; and that would be far better than having two Secretaries of State. If that suggestmn were adopted, it might be neces-ary to create a separate adminis tration, or the duties of the Board of Trade, the 13:ari of He3.lth, and other departments might be increased. (Hear.) With regard to the motion b.-fore the house, if he had found that the Goverutuent were alto gether opposed to it—if the Chief S.-ieretary for Ireland had said that the office must be perpetually maintained, and that the Government of Ireland could not be carried on without it—he should at any risk have sopported the motion of the hon. member f aSheffield. But the Chief Secretary said nothing of tho kind. It was true that he said that them was great advantage in the personal COM inunioatiou which the peo3le of Ireianci had with the Lord-Lieutenant; but the advantage wa , calm erba!anced by the want of personal eaminunie‘, - A - ti o2i here. Gentlemen connected with Ireland who had any application to make to the Government were certain of a favourable recep tion from the Lord-Lieutenant ; and hence a Lord-Lieu tenant was always more popular than a Secretary, but the Lord-Lieutenant had el course to report the case to her Majesty's Government, and he could not do that so well in writing as the deputation had done, and the Chancellor of the Exchequer or the Home S-cretary might take quite a difireet view, and totwly refuse the applicatiou. He (Lord J. Russell) believed that when gen; lernen had what was ready a public question to bring before the Administration, they would have a better chance of success if they had come to London than If, as at present, they were only able to state the case to the Lord-Lieutenant. (Cheers.) The matter was a difficult one ; but was entirely one for the Ex-votive Govern ment, and he should therefore be disposed far the present to leave it in their hands, and support the previous ques tion. The noble lord the Ceief Secretary seemed to think that a time might come when the members for Ireland would be disposed to look upon the proposed change with favour. Under these circumstances, ho (Lord J. Russell) thought it would be a great disadvantage if they came to a vote high was considered by the representa tives of Ireland as intended in any way to hurt their feelings or to go against their wishes. (Hear.) For his part, he would rather see the question fairly and calmly discussed—he would rather see it put upon the represen tatives of Irelen I Cu reconsider it. It that were done and if the government would also consider the best mode of meeting the ditlicul y, they might in a short time arrive at a solution which would be much more satisfactory to all partied than if a vote of that house were carried against the wishes of the present and the views of the late government. Mr. WALPOLE warned the house against being carried away with the notion that the present govern ment felt they could sea their way at this moment to make the change proposed. He quite agreed with every word which had feelen from his noble friend, and that the course the government aught to take was not to ne gative the motion, bus simply to say that they ought not at this time to agree to the substitute indicated by this eon. and learned member. (Hear, hear.) Before they agreed to the proposition before the house it ought to be shown teat the advantages of the proposed substitute would counterbalance the advents es of the present system ; whereas he bel seed that in several respects a Lord .Lieut(nancy wa- infiettely better than the specific pr-posal of the hon. gentleman. (Ceeers.) In the first place, it was a great advantage that so much local know ledge should be brought to bear upon the executive in ft-eland. The beneficial results arising from having a local authority resident in Ire and had been strongly il ius:rated by his noble th iend.. Tee Lord-Lieutenant had to be in uoannunication with GOO petty sessions, with ;1 stipendiary magistrate , , and with a vast number of aeststant barristers. He had to superintend, in fact, the whole critnival jurisprudence of tut, country. He had also to exercise a control over the army and the police, and he was the tempor..l head in alt eccte.dastical (nat ters. In a word, all the funeciens of the Queen herself were vested in the Lord-Lieuteuant when the Sove reign was not in the country. N .w, if a Secretary of State were appointed in Ir -land he must be absent from his poet during the whole of the Perliernentary session, or else his duties must be perfortne 1 by some sub ordinate officer, an arrangement which could not be re garded as a beneficial one. He (Mr. Walpole) hail voted in the majority on the noble lord's (Lerd John Russell's) measure some years ago. He had done so because he thought that there would have been sotne substitute found for the Lord-Lieutenancy, and because he thought that whether the change took place would depend upon the wishes of tee people of Ireland. (Cheers ) Tne more the discussion proceeded in 1850 the more strongly it came out that there would t,e a great inconvenience in apeoisting a Secretary of State for Ire land. That was a difficulty which he believed the neble lord himself felt. (Hear.) Because, if they appointed a Secretary, they would be ceding the principle which had been established when the exchequer of Ireland was con solidated with the exchequer of E gland. Great advan tage had accrued from havicg only one exchequer ; and it was equally desirable that the functions of the execu tive should also he consolidated. (Hear.) With two Secretaries of State there might be a conflic't of opinion, and if they did not agree there would. be a weakening in stead of strengthening of their functions. Thy might have two legi-letions at the same time—ene applicable so Ireland and the other to England—when their object should be to assimilate the two as far as possible. If they had a Secretary of State fir Ireland, he must reside here, and residing here it would be difficult to provide at the moment for cases of emergency. (Haar.) At presatit there was one pervading mind running through the admi nistration of affairs, and he did not think they ought to part with this advantage till they were sure, or at least had something like a probability of being able to obtain superior or equivalent advantages wi'llout losing those he had pointed out. These were the red ohs why Ito thought that this government, or any government, could not, say that at this moment, or at any specific time, un til these difficulties were thoroughly got over, they could abolish an office which ire many respects answered ad mirably. (Hear, hear ) The question was, whether it was better to have a local power in Dublin or a central power in Lend- n ? (Hear.) Tot stuestiou led to the further consideratieti, whether they could provide a sub stitute which would enable thorn to govern Irelsed wiseiy and temperately, and by means of that fecal information which the Government now possessed, which would enable them to exercise the powers of government promptly and vigorously, and to secure thereby a good administration of affairs and full attention to the wants of the pantie of Ireland, and at the same time get rid of any difficulty which might arise from conflict ing or concurrent auth rity. (Haar.) Lord PALMER -iTON begged to state in a few words the grounds on which h, slieuld vote for the motion of the previous question. Any one who attentively gave his mind to consider the principles of administrative im provement must on the fiat blush hold, he thought, that it would be advantageous to abolish the office of Lord- Lieutenant, and to make some other arrangement for conducting the affairs ef helmt. But if such person looked a little deeper into local circeinetances and re flected on national feelir.gs, he might be led to think the arrangetnent was more difficult than at first sight it ap peared to be. (freer.) Tee arrangement, so far as ad iniuietrative functions were concerned, would be very simple and practicable. At one time he thoueht thet it might, be advantageous if the office i f Ler aLieutenant were abolished, and a second Secretary of State for the Irish depaetment created, but second reflection taught him that that would not necessarily be an advantageous arrangement. He thought that if some of the duties now connected with the Home-office were transferred to other departments, the 'dome-office might well be able to trans act the whole bu,iness of Eiig and and Ireland with the aid of an Under-Secretary of State, (Hear ) TherefOre, as far as the organisation of adrninatrative functicns were concerned he saw ne iasurmountable difficulty in the arrangement proposed. And there were many things belonging to the present time which diminished the difficulties that in former years opposed such arrange ment. He remembered being in Dublin when sailing packets were the only method et communiceti in, and when for six days no English need had arrived, Bat now the cornreuncation by electric telegraph accomplished to six minutes what in former times was nut done in six days Therefore the improve merit of modern times gave facilities of corninunicetien both of persons and ief it iva tu,n, weich tendered the change more easy than in any former period of tints. However, there were other circumstances which taut lead them to look before them. (Hear ) The case of Scotland had been urged as an analogous case, in order to show that it was not neces-ary to have a separate administration for Ire land. But the house .hould recellect that the internal cir cumstaric lof Scaanil and Iteland we re different. (Rear.) The people ~f Scotland, wish the exception of small differences o f ecc l es ia s tic it di s cipline, were united in religious d oc t r i ne , b u t th e case was, urf atueately, different in Ireland, and those religi ous d ifferenc es amongst the people of Ireland must g ive rase to more questions of controversy, and roust embitter those qu e6 - tiens in a greater degree than in Scotla sd . ( H ear , hear.) in llav a local autho rity e r t e was o settle t le t ere ho f:e s 4 advantageu,:s questions swithout London ; and there was great a dvantage, if these ein es _ tions were to bo locally settled, that they should be settled by high authority, such as that of the Lord , Lieutenant, who, generally speaking, did not 'Alen to the country, and who acted with impartiality between . Government to move further in this direction, as they the two parties, instead o f by an officer of inferior rank, said the statistics would be useless if obtained. After whose sympathies must necessarily be engaged on the the Easter recess it would be his duty to see what could one side or the other. (Hear, hear.) There were, there.. be done with respect to Scotland. (Hear.) fore, some circumstances which counterbalanced the ad- The motion was withdrawn. vantages of that unity of administration which iu itself NAVY RETURNS.' would be a great benefit to the general interests of the Sir C. NAPIER moved for returns of the number of country. But after all, the decision of this question ought continuance service men in the fleet on the let day of to be left to the feeling of the people of Ireland. (Ceeets.) January, 1857, and the number discharged that year, If the people of Ireland agreed with some of those who and a Nether discharged by survey or not—of the number had spoken that evening, that the oontinuance of this of continuance service wen in the fleet on the Ist day of image of royalty was no longer of any use, and formed a January, 1858, and the number since entered—and,' of barrier which interposed between them and their real th e number of first and second class boys in the services sovereign—if the people of Ireland thought that local on the Ist day of January, 1857, whether apprentices circumstances rendered it desirable that this establish- or not, and the number discharged, with their own crone ment should be abolished, he should at once be pre- sent or by survey; also, of the number on the Ist day pared to vote for its abolition, and the substitution of of January. 1855. another: arrangemeit. (Hear, hear.) But if, on the After a few remarks from Sr J. PArriaToN and Sir other hand, he was led to believe that the present tern- C. Woon the motion was amended by oncitriug from the per of the Irish people clung to the establishment latter part of it the words referring to the class of boys, rather than wished for its ab o lition, be did not think " whether apprentices or not," and •" with their owe that the small saving of ex p ense or the advantage, consent, or by survey ;" and thus amended the motion undeniable as it might be, of greater unity of adminis- was agreed to. , tration should counterbalance the feelings and opinions GALWAY FREEMEN DISFRANCHISEMENT of the people of Ireland (cheers from the Irish BILL. members)—and he thought that Parl anent should defer On the order of the day being read for the second to the national feeling on that point. (Cheers.) He readinss f this bill, .hought the people of Ireland had a right to rxiiect that Mr. ROEBUCK moved that the bill should be read Parliament weuld defer to their opinions in favour a a second time that day six months. Trie measure, be the existence of the office of Lord-Lieutenant. (Cheers.) said, was unjust, ie that it punished the electors who Mr. ROEBUCK, in reply, said be had been accused had been brined, but let the bribers escape. of greet presumption, being an humble and private mein- Mr. WALPOLE suggested that if the bill were ber of Per lament, in daring to bring forward this ques- allowed to pass the second reading, the just award cf tion, and that it was a singular mark of his audacity to punishment for an admitted offence could be determined do so. (Laughter.) But let the house remernb r the in committee. authorities be had. (" Hear, bear," and laughter.) He Some discussion ensued, in which Lord Lovaiite, had the authority of the noble 1 ird who sat on his right Lord A. Vane, Lord J. Russell, and Mr. Disraeli took band—(hear)—who in 1850 orought in a bill expressly part. The amendment was then withdrawn, and the with the intention of abolishing the office of Lard-leeu- bill read a second time. tenant and appointing what was then called a fourth The noose adjourned at half-past 12 o'clock. Secretary of State. The noble lord's bill was supported by the tate Sir R. Peel, by the present Home Secretary, by the noble lord the present Secretary for Ireland, and in fact by the whole of that bench—( hear, hear," and laughter)—and a majority of the members of that house. Then he was told that he was opposing the feelings of the people of Ireland ; but how was he to judge of that when in 1850, just after the famine in Iceland, and the people were suffering from bad government, a majority of the Irish members voted for this very amendment ? (Hear, hear.) India was now suffering under a double government., as Ireland had been suffering from it ie 1850 ; and as the noble lord near him rushed with a bill to remedy tbe government of Ireland, so did the noble lord the member for Tiverton rush. with his bill to e, - medy the evils of the goveininent of India. (Laughter.) Some eight or ten years had passed over since the famine in Ireland ; and if in 10 years' time some one proposed the previous question in r -fereine to the government of India, did any one suppose that the noble lord the member for Tiverton would vote for it, as the noble lord on his right hand was going to vote for the previous question that night ? The noble lord near him was not unversed its politics in 1850—he had arrived at the years of discretion at that time, he supposed—and when he brought in his bill be must have thou g ht that he was providing a remedy for the evils iif the government of Ireland. S r R. Peel voted wits the not.le lord ; and yet he (Mr. Roebuck) was charged with audacity fcr following in the steps of the noble lord. (Hear ) He had ne doubt there was some truth in that statement. (Laughter.) But another thing was said—the previ us question had been moved. He was the victim of the pre vious question. (Laughter.) Last year he brought in a Wain and simple proposition for the abolition of the Lord-Lieutenancy, and he was met by the hue and cry that he bad not proposed a substitute. The then member for Yarmouth moved the previous questi n, and the whole of that bench went out with him. The noble lord was not present, but he understood that he gave an bon. member authority to quote his opinions strongly in fa vour of his motion. The right hen. and learned Attor ney-General for Ireland (Nir. Whiteside) made a won derfully eloquent speech, and he never heard more ca pital abuse of the office of the Lord-Lieutenant — (laughter)—but he saved himself by voting for the pre vious question, on the ground that he (Mr. Roebuck) had not proposed any substitute for that office. He now proposed that substitute, and the right bon, and learned gentleman still voted for the prev:nus question. (Lauehtero The late Chancellor of the Exchequer said he had great objeotioa to the multiplication of Secreta ries of State. He said that four was a good number, bu that five was a bed number. (Laughter.) Was it indeed? Then how came his government to propose a fifth Secre tary of State for the government of India. (fear.) The right hon. gentleman the Home Secretary said the Lord Lieutenancy was better as a local authority than a secre tary of state. Bat he would ask whether anything was done without the authority ef the Home Seers ary, and whether the gracious answers given by the Lord-Lieu tseaet to deputatiene in Ireland were not frequently overturned by the cool and calm directions of tee Chan cel' ,r of the Exchequer and the Herne Secretary I (Hear, hear.) The fact was the Lord Lieutenant was nothing but au tale pageant, and what be said in open ing the debate came upon him at its close, that the die tributme of responsibility between the Home Secretary, the Ler I-Lieutenant, and the Irish Secretory, dreier-yeti responsibility. (Hear, hoar.) Wby did they refuse en this occasion to vote fur that which in their hearts they approved of ? (Hear, hear.) Because to the present Government, as to every other Govern neat, it was in convei lent to to so. (Hear.) The noble lord the Se cre-ary for Irela d sail leave it to time, a change was coming over the opinions of ties Irish people on this question. Tne noble lord had indulged the house with a calm, courteou, and excellent speech that night, but ne recollected another speech iu which the noble lord spoke in a different frame of mind of the L , rd-Lieutenant of Ireland, and wile the permission of the house he would refresh the memory of the noble lor f. (Laughter.) On the second reading of the bill introduced by the noble lord riser him, the noble lord these spike. He quoted from Hansard : "L .eking back as he did upon tue bid tory of Ireland, ho believed that that history was but one continued scene of misgovernment. He looked upoi the office of Lord-Lieutenant as•the chief feature of teat system, and now that it was proposed to abolish than office, he could but rejoice at the change." (Laughter.) Ag-in, in page 1439, he found these words of the nob lord "A. an Irishman he could not view with, a, y feeling of alarm a measure winch might have the effect of drawing closer the bonds of union bet eeen Ert e laed and Ireland. It Irish influence was really to be felt—if bleb interests were r-ally to become powerful—it was not by provincial, but by imperial influence that those (sues were to be ebtaiued. As members of the impend senate, Irishmen could far better minister to toe welfare of In land, titan by backstairs intrigue iu the Castle of Dublin." (Cheers and laughter.) Then he sac aske: on what authority he made tate motion. (Laughter.) Second thoughts, it was said, were best ; but second thoughts sometimes CUM, and r very peculiar circutn• sea .ces—(laughter)—and the noble lord's speech ti,-night owed its origin, he supp sod, to the peculiar circum loaner s in which he now was. (Hear, hear, and laughter.) The hon. member for Norfolk (Mr. Bentinch) assailed hint in a mode which heilid not think ho ever deserved. (Hear, hear.) But there was a bucolic state of mind, on which to cast arguments was very much like throw. ing seeds upon a rock. (Laughter.) He had done his duty in this matter. He founded his proposal on great authorities—authorities on which be had more faith thou the authors themselves had. (Laughter.) He supposed it was owing to his fault that the question failed that niget, for it could not be that the noble lords and those who folio wed them, and who were wise, reasonable, and experienced, did in 1150 what they were ashamed of in 1858. (Laughter.) In conclusion, he would only say that if any hon. gentleman were going to vote for the previous question in conserrence of the last portion of his resolution, it was his intention to strike off that part of his motion if the house negatived the motion of the previous question. (Hear.) The house then divided on the previous question.— " That this question be non , put." The numbers were : Ayes Noes The °Heine( mod in was, theni ire, not put. THE DESIGNS FOR MODEL BARRACKS AND PUBLIC OFFICES. Mr. B. HOPE moved for cope of a memorial pre sented to the Treasury, tbe War Deprt•nent, and the Office of Pudic Works, from the Royal Isis mute of Architect', in reference to the recent competi tions for mi del barracks and for pubic offices. The mot ion was agreed to. COLONISATION (INDIA) COMMITTEE. On the motion of Sir R. FERQUEION, Mr. De Vere was added to thi • committee. ENDOWED SCHOOLS (IRELAND). Mr. BLACK moved for a returi, of toe cost of print ing and distributing the report of the evidence on the endowed schools of Ireland, in four folio volumes, corn ' rising 2,680 pages, and by whose authority the same was priu el. The hon. gentleman held up 415 large b'ue-books, and said he should dice to know the cost of their production. (Loud cries of " Read, read, and laughter.) • Mr. WALPOLE said he had of - en expressed a wish that some s eps should be taken for curtailing the ex pense of printing reports of this kind. He hoped the matter would nit drop until it was put on a beets lest trig. He disapproved of th e s y stem of co mmissioners making separwe reports. The motion was agreed to. AGRICUL TuRAL STATISTICS (SCOTLAND). Mr. CAIRD called the attention of the house to this subject, with a view to the future c Wectien of statistics. Those collected voluntarily in Scotland bad beet, of grea t pat lic utility, and no claes derived more benefit frem them than the farm:-rs themselves. They had now been published for four years. He ;mild suegest in future that the acreage of crops under cultivation should be ascertained as a precaution agairast scarcity. The estimate of, the produce was very expensive, and of little use. By confining the return to the acreage of crops under cultiva ion much expense weld , ' be avoided, and ,an undertaking might be come to between the Governinetit an I the Highland Society. The hon. gentleman oorcluied by moving fur papers relating to the agricultural statistics of Scotland. Me. BLACK said that tie parties connected with the H ghlend SocOey had come to the dot- rminetiou not to continue the labeling they had for licitly carried on. Mr. BLACKBURN doubted thin utility of these statistic's. They came out so many mouths after the harvest that they were of no use whatever. As to the acreage that was no guide at all to the amount of the crop. The difference between the Government and the Highland S. ciety had arisen from the Govern went objecting to the very small charge which was in curred and which was below the estimate. Alter a few words from Sir,T. OGILVY, Mr. HENLEY said be believed the realm to the hon. rnewber's motion would bo nil, for there were no further papers. (Laughter.) The statements of the Scotch members did not hold out much encouragement to the Countly r4araetE. MANCHESTER—MA.IIoz 25. There Was a limited attendance this morning. English wheat of good quality sold slowly at 1s to 2s per qr. less money ; inferior offered on lower terms. In foreign also a similar reauction. Flour also sold slowly, at is per sack lower than last week. Oats and oatmeal were also rathes easier. LOUTH-Mu tat 24. There was an in tetivo tradd in grain to-day, and pries* of wheat receded 2. to 3. per qr. Other grain the tans lower from last we, k's qnotati,ins. Wheat, 39s to 41s ; mixed, 435; barley 32s to 345; oats Da to 22s ; beans, 38s to 41s. BOSTON —MARCH 24. This day's market was pretty well attended, and a small supply of wheat, with a slow sale, at a decline on the last week's prices of is to 2s. Spring corn firm. Prices :—Wheat, red, 369 Od to 42s Od; new, —9to —s ; white, 404 Od to 44s (k 1 extra, 45i. Barley, 209 Od to 36. Od. Oat- 18s to 259. Peas, 33 to 439 Od. Beans, 30i Od t 0,408 Od per. qr. EDINBURGH GRAJN.—MAROR 24. A fair supply of grain to-day, sales were lively, and prices were better, except for wheat. Wheat, on the top, 9s ail up, and on the average 03 2d down. Barley, 2s Od up on the top, and ls 10J up on the average. Oats on the top were Is Od up, and on the average 0,9 d up. Beans on the top 4s Od up, and ou the average 2a 6d up. AVERAGES PER IMPERIAL QUARTER. Wheat £2 1 1 3-12th. Do. new -l2ths. Barley 1 12 8 3-12ths. Oats 1 8 2 11-12ths. Beans -12ths. Total Supply and Sales. Wheat 107 4 qrs sold 466 qrs Barley 786 qrs sold 529 qrs Oats 1561 qrs sold ]320 qrs Beans 2lO qrs sold 163 qra DERBY SMITHFIELD.-MARCH 23. A lam supply of fat beasts to-day, the best quality from the North, and the highest price obtained was 6}d. rer lb. for the best quality. A good show of sheep, several lots bei . g shorn, and realising high prices. There' was a large supply of fat pigs, at lower prices. Calves con tinue to increase. • The following were the quotations :—Beef, sjd to ad mutton, 7d to lid ; lamb, —d to 0,1; veal, 7d tc —d pet lb. ; pork, sid to s ) jd per lb ; rough fat, be 0 to Os per 14.1 b.; hides, 2d to 3d per lb ; calf-skins, 4d to 5A per lb. [AnvensisemeNr.]—Until the introduction, by Mr. Da Barry, of the Revalenta Arablea Food, both as a regimen for invalids and infants, and a remedy for all disorders conneeted with the stomach, nerves, kidneys, liver, and intestines gene rally, it might have been asserted, with truth:that the treat. ment of patients, in some of the most ob-tinate, haras sing, and p inful complaints to which the human frame is liable, was one desperate g -me of ha -hazard—different practitioners playing off different systems, involving indexed• bable suffering and expense, and ending in failure. All.tbie is now happily changed. Without laying out money in doc tors' bills, without enduring the horrors of " doctors' stuff," but simply by the adoption of a pleasant and palatable resto. rative Food, disease is b nished, and health and activity take its place. It is ou no mere theory that these things are asserted. When Fifty Thousand persons are referred to, each of w !om has ,eparately described the wondrous healing effect of the preparation in an infinite variety of maladies, the theory resolves itself into ascertained and demonstrated fact —a fact neither to be hushed up, n r explained awn/ on any other ground than that of the unparalleled efficacy of be Re valeuta Arabica Food in extirpating almost every description of morbid action or condition from the system. The p tblic are naturally " slow" in awakening to an appreciation of ane sr and better state of things ; and ms eh excuse there is for this slowness, so often has expectation been baulked by the preten sions of contending theorists. Here, however, we have before us proof of the most positive and complete kind which can be conceived by human reason and coming from such a mult plicity of sources as show the testimonials received ts be each the genuine outpouring of joyful gratitude. An advertisement, which appears in our paper of t -day, contains a short resume of a few of the letters of thasks, which constitute altogether such a body of undeniable evidence as was never brought together upon any subject whatever, and form • noble nati na monument in illustration of the maxims " Honour to him to whom honour is ' due." Supported by testimonials from the following celebrated Pro• fessors of Chemistry: Dr. A Ure; Dr. Shorland; Dr. Harvey; Dr. Campbell ; Dr. Gattiker ; Dr. Wuizer; Dr. Ingram ; Lord Stuart de Decies; the Dowager Countess of Castieetuart; Major Gen. Thomas King, and many other respectable per sons, whose health has been restored by it, after all other means of cure had failed. Suitably packed with full instruc tions, In canisters, 11b. 2s, 9d.; 21-s 4s. 6d.; 51b. lls. ; 121 b 225. The 121 b canisters are sent carriage free en re ceipt of Post-office order. Barry Du Barry, and Co., 77', Regent-street, London. Important Caution against the fear ful dangers of spurious imitations.—The Vice-Chancelldr fir William Page Woi d granted an Injunction on the 10th March. 1854, against Alfred Hooper Nevill, for imitating "De Barry's Revalenta Arabica Food.'' ADVEnTI3IthiISIVT. , SIGHT AND ITEAEINO -- SPECTACLIi - ••• POWERFUL TELESCOPES OPERA, RACE AND Penman' Gsessits.—S. and B. Solomon, opticians, 39, Aibenuirle street, Piccadilly. Observe—opposite the York Hotel, W. By her Majesty's Royal Letters Patent for valuable and ens ' traordina-y improvements in the most powerful and brilliant Telescopes, Camp, Race-course, Opera, and Perspective Glasses, to know the distances, These Telescopes Pew" such extraordinary power that some, three and a-half inches. with an extra eye-piece will show distinctly Jupiter's moons Saturn's ritsg, and the double stars ; with the same telescope can be seen a person's countenance three-and-a-half milli distant and an object from 16 to 20 miles. For the waist coat-pocket, and are of larger, atul all sizes, with increasing powers accordingly. The Royal Exhibition, 1851. - A valu able, newly-invented, very small, powerful, Waistcoat pocket Glees, the size of a walnut, by which a person can be seen and known one and a-half mile distant. They answer every OW pose on the Race-course and at the Opera-houses. Counts? scenery and ships are clearly seen at 12 to 14_ miles. They are- invaluable for shooting, deer-stalking, yachting, to sportsmen, gentlemen, gamekeepers, and tourists. Opera, Camp, Perspective, and Race-course Glasses, with wonderful powers. Invaluable preserving, Spectacle Lenses of the greetest transparent, power. The great advantage derived. from this invention is, that vision impaired becomes pre served and strengthened and very aged persons are enabled to employ their sight at the most minute occupation—can see with those lenses of a much less magnify ing power—and they do not require the frequent changes to the dais' gerous effects of further powerful assistance. Perm ) . can be suited at the moio remote part of the world by send in. one of the glasses out of their spectacles in a letter, and stating the dist nee from the eye they can read small print with it, and those who have not made use of spectacles by , staring their age. Deafness.—New Discovery.—The Organic Vibrator, an extraordivarLy powerful, small, newly-invented instrument for deafness, entirely different from all of ins. surpassing anything of the kind that has been, or prob ably can be,- 'produced. Being of the same colour as the skin, ilk not perceptible. It enables deaf persons to hear distinct /at church and at r ublie assemblies ; the unpleasant sensation et singing noises in the ears is entire , remov d, and it &Birdie all the assistance that possibly could be desired.-3 i. s ear made-street, Piccadilly—Opposite the York Hotel, W BIRTHS. ABEROROMBY—On the .23d inst., at 15, Royal-ereseent, Bath, the Hon. Lady Alsereromby, of Birkenbog, of le son. BIDDLEB--On the 23d inst., at Tunbridge-wells, the wife of J H. Biddies, Esq., of a daughter. CHAI .—On the 24th inst., at 26, Harrington•square, the wife of Charles Champ, Esq., of a son. JOHNSON —On the 25th inst., the wife of Mr. G. Johnson, of 125, Hishopsgate-street without, of a son. MARRIAGES. ADISoTT—CARTWEIGHT—On the 2341 inlit, ' at }lnn&lir Mr. Robert Abbott, of High Holborn, to Mary Ann,, , ' youngest daughter of Thos. Cartwright, Esq., of BAP' Hall, Notts. BROWN—MATIIEWS— On the 2'th inst., at St. Martin's' in-the-Fields, Mr. Lewis Brown, to Elizabeth, relict in the late Major Mathews, of H.M.'s 34th Regt. DEATHS. BUTTri—On the 24th inst., at Richmond, Xr. Jas. Blytb, late of Upper Bedford-place, and Cripplegate, city, aged M. COWLEY—On tha 24th inst., at Watford, Philip Cowles'', Eeq., aged 45. LLorp—On the 7th inst., at Versail les, Ed Lloyd, Lascelles, Lloyd, Esq., fi.rworlyof Upper Brook-street, GrosveLor squ ra, aged 50. I.I . AKEPEAcE—On the 21st inst„ at Worthing, Robert 11. Makepeaco, Esq., aged 56. TANNER—On tha 23d inst., at his resid ence, John Tamers Esq., of Sutton, Surrey, aged 85. WILLI / m-0n the 24th inst., at his residence at Greew wick, Samuel Williams, Esq., of Greenwich an 0001 1 /4 Kent, aged 67. 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