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a lliutte,ttins'Kines Ministertr; he used the - word not in' usisilitproper sense ; but he maintained that there was an .141 , 1 4 tour, brexeiting the fear of a popular opposition, t o ressiie his Majesty's Govermeut, or rather to deter them, into effect the intentions they elite' tabled, dud die suessures they had prepared to Indiana to Parlia uljuit. lie was confident that they would defeat the ateulbers Opposite by perseveting in their designs. He Would thick himself unworthy to take any part in this dis eussiou, if he hesitated to adopt the sentiments of his Hon. and Learned Friend (Mr. Brougham). It was of tie im- Penance from what quarter this measure came, or by Whom it was proposed or curried. It was a measure for calAblialling religious liberty and national unanimity, and fur ensuring the safety and greatness of the British EnTire. Oa those grounds he should conclude with stating that he felt greater delight at the transactions of that day than at any public event he had ever witnessed.—(Cheers.) Sir FRANCIS BURDETT cordially concurred in all that had been skid by his Hon. and Learned Friend (Mr. Brougham), and more espeeially in the advice be had given to the Catholics--(hear, hear)—which, he ventured to say, was the wisest, and saf-st, and most consinc tag &quit-tent that could he addressed to the honest though P r ejudiced potties, of the Protestant people of this country. This measure would unite all men iu support of the jus tice of the Catholic Claims, and all men would feel that there Wag more of danger from tefnsing the Catholics their rights,. than from yielding to the prejudices which, he 4ittld not deny, many honest men yet did reasonably e Atertain. At the same time, he must take that oppor slmity to express his gratification that, under circum. litAgysi.e so difficult as those in which Lord Wellington Ivo pl4oeid; he should have been able to prepare and ma ture the minds of so many persons to comply with his v ietel!,,And bring to thi s p o i n t a quest i on o f suc h i mportance. He intitalso say, that such was the fairness of the Right Hun. Gent. (Mr. Peel), that so far was any part of his conduct from requiring explanation, be was entitled to the support of every honest man. (Cheers.) He had taken the opporttioittivhen he could, to turn to the public good, having concinereclfle little misgivings to which every mind must be subjects .ing anticipating the taunts he would undergo fronl pia feesater friends. Supposing even that the Right Ifoulitirable Veeptleman would still prefer the Protestant 464 04 6 q0y arbeti he found, u n d er a ll t h e accumu l a ti ng diffiMtlea ofAlatuptestion front day to day, and he might 54 Y,1 14 e1 lat;or: to, hour, if the balauce was greatly in 14 ,tif Of concetveiou, though contrary to the line be had u Oiltetkilo imputation could r us t on hi m f or yi e ldi ng t o 'tte could a more honest, wise, and upright conduct he puritied; than, when holding a responsible situation, the Right'llon Gengmnan,should own that he was mis ttalretrOtt seeing the.,shnigets that attend e d th e course h e t s l'iblftrtei4,.reettlyo,l9,Jhange it. Never had he (Sir r :RuidettYanticipated,auch pleasing consequences as he e zpected4isnn • this tneasure. If the Duke of Wellington Were atttiekesti , he, for-one, however humble, would be found a-siticeet.defenderitt his policy iu this instance. The Addreee was thettAtgreed to, and ordered to be pre sented to the King, by.socA, llfembers of the House as be long to his. Majesty's Privy, cottucil. The Hous4 - TheiLidjourpo.at Nine o'clock. i... +... • HOUSE OP . I..ORDS.,(LAST NIGHT.) The House:haying adjonntOd at Lalf-Past true, their 'tnet'a.gain at five o'clock. Ihere was a. witch greitter"kseestablage of Peers than {hoe Willa at the opening of the. louse. The space below the Throne was ; yeinpletely filled . with sons of Peers and ltlenthers of the fewer House, *nearly three quarters of an hOur before the LotA Chant;ellor triek his seat. The LOltD C MANCELLOIeEntered the House at five o'clock precisely, and immedifitely took his place on the 'woolsack. , Ilia .; Lordship brought up a Bill for the better 'regulation. olk'elect Vestries , which was read a fi rst , time. • .1 a larqui e of Salisibury an d the Earl of Wicklow llpeared in the insiforin of. Colonels. ' • At kquarter past .five the .Lord Chincellor rtad again his:Maj esty ' s speech to the House. ''" The Alarquis of SALISBURY theii rose and moved the. Address to Lis May, He spoke so inaudibly and aPParrntly is so. _,embarrassed Manner, as to 11e . sc areelyintellieible helow the bar, and hardly heard by many blembsia, the House. He felt great dif fidebee • ill' coming,, ..forward to move the address whick,had fallen „to his - lot, and 'which he had the heneur- of bringing forward. N. liad.but few -4 obser r,'!ions to - r.ialce on th e subject. As ta'Oe latter part of "'Majesty's Speech 4,wire of the utmost iMportance to the 'sutrounity; he,.tV e ught the only oway o f allaying a uery fe e li ngs th ro ugh o it the realm, wa s by acce di ng to *he claims , . of the Catlgict, He ext , adverted to the hostilities between tiretiee and n Lordship ti ' 2 l , Wel t ; OQ to say, llitt part of his Majesty's Speech W c h ich gave •an account of the flourishing state o ' the Its Venue showeil,i6,commeree of.this country w a s t *ta ph'hed on a store fosiiKthitiiin. The unh a ppy coun tr y o f trebtsd had bees sterna of eontiaual, commotion. tleamres had been adopted there of,,,,rea nature not to permit the welfare. of the people. : . ; ,,The bonds of society Ltd been . cut the tenant had freest set against and friend had been opposed:t o frieJul. The term Protestant` and Carl - sore, - was considered the %vetch..word of parties, and had led to' results which it aces horrible to reflect uPen. Ile had tio':doulit•that their : Lerdships would willingly ace de to idl ittearittree which shottld l at•ein necessary t o the werfars of his Majesty's Irish subjects. Ilia Majesty Lad called 'upon the Idou,ee to take into consideration the state of lieland, atrilMOre especially the tOndition of the Catholics( of that country. In doing this, the House had a wide, field tic travel over. Ile had' expressed his o p inions ott the suf./jet:A beftile, and" shotildinot at this pre sent moment detain tl4,:floule by entexingt;into those ()pi kiwis at very great length again.—(l-lear,, hear ) He assured the House .that the word s of thioAddrees went . nu • ~.. farther than to the strict consideration of the subjects re "444Herl to the hnsse: He w as *envious that Eman. ci Pation should , not l;r2grarited if it could not be done with 44 1 Y to the P ro t estant Ch urc h . would not -1"4"t ( r as he Wei; wile--permit,, nor fie in any way Y..to a n y eneisereri,.for the purporA s of removing the civil "disabilities of the Cath h elce of Ireland, at the ex- P e , ° et of th e Priiigtittst* religion. (H ear , h ear , h ear. ) ,7 t he tanderstoi4 words uf His M a j es ty' s S peec h , a . lelV o f t h e * ea by no inseam a salutary i. l4 'llge t o adopt 'any measures , and particularly an y th at ; I ' 4 dd An naltur's 7 etinsideratiou be deemed in e xp e di ent . br t out the maniiiild‘Vhich th e c,ttliolie question had b een , °ogut forwartraVthit commerxlu ces of the Session, very tofferent eonsid erat i ous would devolve on t h e i r Lordsh i p s , ° Jul he had no,*.lhi'ulit, that diff e rent steps wo uld be t he conseq uence to this 4 t aken during theilast Session. He bad offered no (trititneats to induce the House to grant Cathelic einanciPation: Ile submitted it to then', simply Ni the ground of .its being reimiLmended by his ie.stt.- Ile most '-sincer e ly Im pos t that that recommen dation would be adepted withriiit entering into many Nutnenta that might arise question—arguments ;at had a l ready been argued time after time: The Nubs Marquis concluded by moving the Address, which R as as usual • an The e . ( itlY?Pf sP ,4 chl EarLof WlCkLOW4ecensled . the Address. In thOlig th 7 ...115 6 he f e lt great satisfaction in the consid e rati on 411 !al Was rlnt .-- exPectsed,. nor desired fr om him. e various topics all u d e d le by Lis Majesty in his Speech, "ere aich a nature as stouhl justify a more experienced 44 441;41 th a n hiniself, in:idwelling with great satisfaction t iie*wlitile of. theirs. ;But he felt it would ill Leconte tre4i t t e on t h e i r Lordship(' time, further than by i t lu tiMg to a few 'Of thelti: With respect t 0 the *A4itii, wi a,. most s at i s f actory to t h e House that the country Z'lt Peace Witli .the world. A peace had been' lieluded with the Brazils( aid Rio de la Plata by his Ma- A eonvention had been entered into. with Spain, uich the long-iinpending elaiini of the British subjects 4,, f , ,'Prubably be immediately met, and thus a source e ti L Ql74 ation .Iketwer.n the two co u n t r i es might be re Ire 4 t t 4 o:44ritistectiVk to inure that our I;lercaalits still 4.lmtniniir • full fnre'e; Majesty 4'euted that the diplomatic operatienS*ere susqiendid with a Z kti gal. The re was no man:but must feel with regret that .„, l itt e , of contention should be kept up with th a t coun t r y, tt. tr t. "°o 3 what h as t a k en pl ace with. the House of tv1,„ 1 , 44 ,,, apl,-;aara there has been that actual nego t i a ti o n T i l'lntkii- -- (lesirtible Shouid have tat:en place. The of July 87 was thOugh a war broker: •11 4 4 - ` tvi cel4 Itgssiii•atidTiirkey against-that l'reaty. But , rija4tisfactely to know that_ the Treaty has been so far i° ° t effect, as that the Mores and the .adjacent • ft 1- are now f ree f rom the Turkish and. Egyptian forum. 6 1 ,,, P '"'"iiiig to see how that Treaty has been advanced. 'f he of the wonky are, %re are assured, in a state of t)i,7 leas imp rov e men t. I t (Dust b e reco ll ecte d t h at t,, xat !al take n p l aty notwithstanding the gre a t amount of 4.L that has been removed within the last few years. u s I . " 1 g here as a Representative of Ir e l a nd, and f e eling. u( iuld not but do, a lively interest in her welfare, it * w ith feelings( of satisfaction th a t L e h a d h e a r d th e e, ` - „` * „2 4olii the Throne. Hitherto, when the affiii.:au; that had been brought before Parliament ; it had been of "rPose of deploring her wretchedness and.newaile der.fur the p eop le . But it was very diff e r e nt to pre II might venture to hope that thos e con cili a t or y so I„,. re a - --(Hea e ),_ w hi c h h a d b een so l ong soug h t f ur, , large petitioned for in vain, so much desired for by so ! 141oZL 4 ,Portion of the United Empire; (hear,) so often-de- I anti so often applied for bythe noblest Statesmen this country ever produced, that that great-snessure is likely tole brought forward not ittity by all his 31.j,aty's Ministers, but recommended l;y Lis Msj,ty himself from the Throne.—(Hear, hew, heir. )—lt wis true another trea sure had been recenaneadoil, but it . was impossible there was no person in the country who did tint Nets!' that those Cutholie Aosociati,aos AMA' be suppressed. I t was impossible that any GOVCT mama hut itself could exist under its baneful effects, and the greatest evils had been occasion ed. Let us hope, however, that that Society will perform an act of wisdom, and now dissolve itaelf.—(llear.) And let us hope that all the other political societies—(hear, hear, bear,)—will follow the same exainples. Then .we May hope that a measure which will meet the approbation of the IfouSe and the country wilt be brOught before it, and that while it gives relief - to our Roman Catholic subjects, it will at the same time preset ye and maintain the institutions of this Protestant Empire, which every man who loves his country, and venerates her Constitution, would lose his life to Maintain—(hear)—and which also his Majesty's Speech declares that it is his duty and determination to maintain inviolate.—(Hear, hear.) The Duke of NEWCASTLE begged to know from the Noble Duke at the head of his Majesty's Government, alter what had this day transpired, whether it was his in tention to proceed by means of moving for a Committee dereliction of his duty - towards the gatholicii, 'if he should advocate the measure which way now preposed.—(Hear.) He owed too much gratitude and respect to the Sovereign now departed, and toe much to the Sovereign who now existed—he owed it to the memory of the one and the kindness of the other, to take care th he did nothing which shOuld le disagreeable to the Sovereign now upon the Throne ; het lie knew he epoke the s'utiments of that great luau, when he that whatever be (Lord Eldon) felt it his duty to do with respect to this important ques tion, his Msjesty would feel and know . that he did it in the !moist and concientious discharge of his duty to . the Throne; the Church, and the People. In support of the arguments he Lad advanced, he had the experience of a great proportion of the last century—an eventful period 'in the history of these realms. Many of the Noble Lords around him were too young to remember the circum stance, or to perceive the • dangers which had arisen out of them. The Catholic Association and its advocates might tell them, as often as they pleased, that their sole ol.ject was Catholic . Emancipation ; but when he found that body introducing Parliamentary Reform and Universal Suffrage into their discussions--whets he saw them acting the part of Government, and directing and controlling the people—when he perceived that while they rejected poor's rates, they were extracting sums of money from the pockets of the poorest and lung wretched portion of the population; when he saw all 'these things, he could not help feeling convinced that their object was the sub version of the PrOtestant institutions of the country. But the Catholic Association did not step here ; they even re sorted to America, in aid of their institutions. He, too, was willing to resart to Foreign Powers for subscriptions to put down the Catholic Association,:if it could not otherwise be put down. He was quite sure that body could not be put down by any means short of the Common Law. Let every member of the Association be made amenable at Common Law fur his acts. Let the Association, as a body, be made similarly amenable; thee, and not till then, would the Association be dissolved. He must take Care again to repeat that he could not agree with the Noble Lord who seconded the Address, in thinking that the Ca tholic Association would dissolve themselves ; but even if they did so, they would dissappoint the Legislature, un less such measures were - adopted as would prevent their ghosts from ever rising. What ;was the language held by the Association themselves? They openly stated, that if put down as a body, they would take the field ; they openly avowed that they looked to France—that they looked to America, whose Constitutions they were ready to set up in place of that of this country, These were expressions of opinion which it was the duty of the Legislature to watch over and guard against. Ile had now arrived at that period of !Le when he could not hope to address their Lordships very often upon this or any other important question. He felt the more called upon to remind them, that the object of the Roman Ca tholics were above mere emancipation. He well remem bered the Associations of 1794 and 1795, and he could judge from the proceedings of these times, that when they asked for a participation in the benefits of the Constitution their object was to alter its frame. If such an alteration had become necessary, let it be done openly, at any hazard, but let them not allow it to be silently and secretly under mined.—[Here. the Noble Lord made some allusions to the present state of Greece, and the efforts made by the three Allied Powers in her behalf; but his voice fell so low that he was inaudible even to those around him.J—Adverting again to the affairs of Ireland, the Noble Lord cautioned the Legislature against the admission of Jesuits into that country ;—(Cries of hear, hear)—Jesuits—that set of men who had been put down by the infallible Pope, but who had subsequently been raised up by another power. He was unwilling to go further upon that occasion than stating, that he would take every opportunity of opposing any Bill introduced for the purpose of granting concessions to take into consideration the disabilities that had been thrown on the Roman Catholics, or whether it was his in tention to bring in a Bill for the removal of those dis abilities? The Duke of WELLINGTON, in answer, had the honour of informing their Lordships that it was the intention of his Majesty's Government, accord ing to the course proposed in his Majesty's Speech, to present to Parliament, in the course of the present Ses sion, • a measure for the adjustment of what was called the Roman Catholic Question, without going through a committee. That measure would tead to the removal ge nerally of all the disabilities under which the Roman Ca tholics laboured, with the exception solely of that which rested on special grounds; it would be accompanied also by other measures, rendered necessary by the removal of those disabilities. The Earl of WINCHELSEA hoped that what he should say would be marked with all the deference that was due, net only to any intimation that proceeded from his Majesty, but also that came from the Noble Duke at the heed of -the Government. He had heard with much surprise, and with the most heart-felt regret, that a measure was now to be brought forward for the removal of the disabilities affecting the Roman Ca tholics, and that, not• by those who had hitherto, con sistently with honor and candour uniformly advocated the ramoval of those disabilities, but by those very individuals who, up to this moment, Lad been diametrically opposed to such a measure ! There was so much inconsistency in this that he durst not give vent to his feelings, otherwise he might use language that might tend to interrupt the harmony of the House. If the noble Duke had discovered of late that there would be safety to the Protestant community by bringiug forward a measure of this sort, the candour he owed to the House, and to that Protestant eommunit!, ought to have induced him to have stated what were his grounds for entertaining such au opinion. (Hear, hear.) If the constitution of this Country were to remain essentially Protestant no in who did not cherish the purest Protestant principles, was fit to legislate over them. He main tained that there was in the Roman Catholic Reli— gion that character and those principles which were perfectly inconsistent with the Protestant privileges, and when this proposed measure should be brought forward, he earnestly trusted the Protestant part of this Constitution would narrowly watch this part of the Bill, and take espe cial care that their rights were in no way whatever infringed by it. He once felt himself proud to be a member of that party who advocated the principles of Protestantism, but if a proceeding such as was now thought of were to go on, the day would come whets it would have to be considered a disgrace and dis honour to have belonged to such a party.—(Cheer.) The Earl of ELDON having been for man • years . . Member of that House, clarity , which time the:question that had culled forth the speech they had just heard, had been frequently discussed, and during which it had been his duty to make representations to his Majesty on that sub- ject, could truly sily that it had never I;een discussed but with temper and moderation, and ke trusted it would still be discussed in the same manner. But he must say, that he felt he should he betraying his duty to his Sovereign, and to every Member of that House—knowing as he did that some of them fully concurred with him in opinion— if he did not express his opinion on the subject. He should be betraying his duty to his fellow-subjects of this Protestant country, whose Government had been estAlished as Protestant at the Revolution—at that Revolution which had been now all at once discovered to have been founded by Protestant bigots--(Hear, hear, and laughter)—sye bigots—but he would beg to remind Noble Lords, that if there were bigots in religion, there might also be bigots in laxity, and bigots in liberelity.—( Hear, and laughter.) He said he should betray his duty to all, if he did not shortly state his opinion on this subject, which had now becoMe the moat important that had arisen since the Acts now sought to be repealed were passed, and when that Esta blishment was formed, which it was declared should last for ever, and which had at the same time been declared ne cessary for the preservation of the law, religion, and li berties of the country. He did not believe that he should state the question, except with temper and moderation; he trusted he should always do so; but be could not help feeling deeply on the subject, and he must express his earnest hope, that those who had to vote on the .ques tion would not make their minds hastily, but would act with deliberation, and act at last only as their con sciences told them they ought to act. He had stood in a - situation in this country, in which he should have been the most unpardonable man in it, if he had not.at all times felt the grievous responsibility of this ques tion, and the solemn obligation he was wider when called on to determine it, to do his duty conscientiously to his fel low-subjects, to his country, and he would add to his God. He had never doubted that those who came down to that House to determine the question, ought.to consider them selves peculiarly called 'cm to weigh well the consequences of the conduct they were about to pursue. He would say, in his place in that House, and he hoped the people of the country would by some means become acquainted with the .declaration—if he had a voice that would sound to the re motest corner of the Empire, he would re-echo the prin ciple which he most firmly believed, that if ever a Roman Catholic was suffered to form part of the legislatures of this 'country, or to bold any of the great executive offices of its Government, froth that moment the sun Of - Great Britain would set for ever.—(Cheers.)—The Marquis of Salisbury had certainly talked a great deal about the rights of the Catholics to be admitted into the Legislature, but who ever heard of such a thing. Was it not competent for any State. to say who should or who should nut be competent to fill its office? No consideration on this side the grave should ever induce him to give his consent to the introduction of Roman Catholics iuto any of the great political offices. With great deference to the Noble Duke at the head of. his ithjesty's Government, he would say that if- this mea sure was fur the iutereit of the country, its interest had been - very much neglected during the lust Sesshmi by thine 'whose duty it was to `have protected it. The NOble LOrd, who had seconded the 'Address; had hoped the Catholic Association • would have the good sense• to put an end . to itself; but he (Lord Eldon) would be glad to know when the members of this Association would have the good sense to-do that which the Noble Marquis thought they woeld... Where WAS the proof that they would do this? they who had so kuts been catechising their fellow subjeets, and governing (if he might. so say) the Govern. went for aolitilliy years. thit what then? Suppose they should - diiSolV6 tile Association; what was to be done then ? Why, to surrender the Protestant Ascendancy. He could not conceive how men could bring their minds to do so in favour of a party in the United Kingdom, who embodied themselves! Session after Session to proclaim aloud their sedition- 7 4x', their fressep, fps see h it realty was, if their Lordslops were to believe what On' .foqud pub tithed of their proceedings. If his Noble . , Friend sup posed that he could pnt an - end to the Association by a mere Bill for that purpose, he feared that those who were to put that Bill into execution would find' that unlas the Association should be pleased to dissolve themselves they would become !nor° and more. irnportaut every diy.' Ile had had acme oiperiencu in utsttetii of thiii kind. There was no oircumstance of more importance relative to the sfate'of die country than what 1 . 4 cl passed in the years 1795, 1794, and '1795, when - bodies of Men associated together, and there was to be teeonven- Lion in the Country. (Some Noble Lord on the other side of the House laughed at this allusion to by-gone times, when the Noble Earl, turning sharply to that side of ; the House, exclaimed, " Well may lie laugh—quorum pars magna fuit ;" loud laughter followed this obset vation, and the Noble Earl proceeded.) That Convention Wined overturning the whole Cous:itution, and he could he 1p .entertaining strong doubts that the Rotnan Catholics Association had: the same object, since they brought into question that principle on which alone his Majesty was entitled to Sit upon the Throne. This country utielit send him :o''the grave With all the odium it might think proper to blast his reputation with, throueli "the re untindei of " his life, but he should consider it to, 'be a very great dereliction of his duty towards . Ding and his fellow-kubjecti, and he might soy, a gross I sent, were to be thrown 'open to• Roman Catholics, ex eept certain accepted c:,ses—by which he (Lord Farnham) understood Chun eh patronage ; there might be others, and if so, of course his Noble Friend would inform Lim. The I people of England, the Covernment might rest assured, were not dead to this question. They did not yet know the full exteut 'of the injury intended them; but the cloven foot was out, and 'me long the voice of the nation would thunder in the enn.s of Miniekre iu a manner which they would not dare to disregard. With respect to the Catholic Association of Ireland, every man who has witnessed the acts of that body must feel the necessity of putting it down. It had . paralyzed the Acts of the Irish Government, and ought to be suppressed. The Le gislature attempted to do .so in 1325, and therefore palmed the celebrated Act of that year. At that Act the Association laughed—they felt its imbecility, and they despised it. He hoped the Noble Duke would bear this is mind, and not allow the Irish people to be insulted by such a wretched and imbecile Bill. For himself, he had bees thinking of the Catholic Question ever since he had been able to think upon any subject, and he confessed that he had never been able to see, nor had wiser men been able to see, any adequate security which the Remain Ca tholics had to give. As to paper securities, such as the Test and Corporation Acts, let not the people of England again be insulted with them. The Marquess of DOWNSIIIRE rose for the purpose of expressing the pleasure and satisfaction he felt at hear ing the eloquent Address proposed by the Noble Marquess to the Gracious Message that . day received from the Throne. He looked upon this as a most important and happy era in the history of his country. . The Irish people —and, indeed, he might add, a great portion of the nation at large—had, our the last twenty pats, looked forward to a final adjustment of the question; a question which, he now hoped and trusted, was to be at once, and for ever, set at rest. The Marquis of ANGLESEA rose, as far as we could collect, to express his satisfaction at the part of the Speech which indicated the intention of his Majesty's Government to remove the political disabilities under which ties Roman Catholics at present. laboured. In his opinion, this mea sere was one of paramount importance; for he was con vinced that it not only involved the tranquillity, .but the safety and prosperity of Ireland, and, he might add, of the British Empire. He felt convinced that the time was approaching when he might endeavour to call the attention of their Lordships to his administration of the of of Ireland -for the last 10 mouths. Under the impression that - he should soon have the opportunity of entering on the subject, he would nut think of troubling their Lordships with it at present. Upon all the subjects con nected with his sudden reeal from Ireland- - -npon every thing bearing any relation to the charges which had been brought against him, of having acted incon sistently with his duty as the King's Representative —lnc was ready, and always should he ready, to enter, and to give the most fuR and satisfactory explanation in his power. He should always be glad to be placed in that situation which afforded him an opportunity of explaining the whole of his conduct, and defending himself from every aspersion. He was most reluctant to call the attention of their Lordships and of the public to this topic; but it was a duty to which be felt himself bound, and he merely wish ed to impress upon their Lordships' minds, that he courted the most strict inquiry. Ile was perfectly ready to vindi cate himself on every point ; and he only abstained from entering further into the subject, from the circumstance that the House was then so importantly occupied on other topics. Nothing would prevent him, at all times, from being ready to meet every inquiry ; and the more complete the inquiry, the more he should feel gratified ; the closer the investigation, the snore certain he should feel of obtain in,g a verdict in his favour from every person of integrity. He would again express his entire satisfaction at the _ _ to the Roman Catholics. He was • aware that h e would attention which their Lordships were about to pay to be condemned for making such a statement, but until he the Catholic Question; but he could not refrain from felt convinced that he was wrong, be would never recede expressing his ardent hope, that whatever was done in from it. favour of the Catholics, might not be done in an ungra.. Earl BATHURST said, his object in riling upon that cious, niggardly, illiberal manner.—(Hear, hear.)—lle occasion was to call the attention of the House, nut to the t r usted that whatever measures alight be adopted, they nature •of the m ea sur e of relief proposed to be extended to would be such as were worthy of a wise and liberal Legis the Roman Catholics further than as it had been stated in lature to offer, and befitting a high-minded, generous, lo mm ee the Address proposed by the Noble Marquis (Salisbury), suffering, and truly loyal people to accept. (Cheers.) lie but - to explain an observation or two made by some Noble had attempted to say a few words to their Lordships in con- Lords near him. It appeared to him that one Noble Lot d s e quence of what they had limed with reference to the Ca was enraged at finding that the question was proposed to th o lic Associ a tion.. This was extremely tender ground for be taken into consideration with caution and moderation, as biro to t ouc h upon ; fur he was not quite sure that many if this caution and moderation were to apply to the oppo- among thei r Lordships (lid not imagine that Le was a nents of the measure only, a n d not to those who were member of that Association. (A laugh.) Nay, sonic of likely to support it. Such however, was not the fact ; th e N o bl e L o rds might be under the impression that he caution and moderation were recommended equally to all, w a s actually under delegated powers from them. (Laugh and without the exercise of both it was impossible to ex- t er .) . This, he could assure the House, was - not true.— pect any beneficial-resulte from Such a discussion.—(Hear.) He remembered addressing their Lordships from that very —lt was not intended to enter into the merits of the metres- spot (.few Sessions ago, when he got into some little diffi tion on that occasion ; that evas not the time for it, nor culty• by having made tree of a military phrase. PerhaOs could it by any indirect course of proceeding be introduced what he was now going to say might in some measure sk in detail on that day ; but his Noble Friend the Duke, your of his profession. lie meant, however, to make use who sat near him, had been call e d u p on f or an explana- of an old and acknowledged observation in military affairs— tion, which Ile gave in the most succinct manner, avoiding that the nearer you were to the enemy, the less you often all matter calculated to give rise to discussion ; and that h a d t o encounter, and the less sensible you were of danger. course he also was most anxi ous to ad o pt. A Noble and Thus it was with all who lived in close contact with this Learned Friend of his had observed, that it would be incon- Catholic Association. That Association had been under his sistent on the pat tof those who opposed the question last e y e f or t e n mouths, and he had experienced no danger limn year not to oppose it on the present occasion ; but he was it. The Association existed only because the House had sure his Noble Friend would see time diff e renc e of the two not the ingenuity to pass a law by which it could questions. The question last year was introduced without be suppressed. He hail only to a-k, was the As the consent of Ministers, yet th a t did no t pl e d ge them Sociation legal or not? Ile had sounded his Majesty's Go against its introduction this y ear , s h ou ld circumstances vernment on the subject, and begged them to point out render it expedient to do so. Besides, when the question whether the Catholic Association were illegal, and wile passed the other House last year, it was opposed in that th ee it . w ere expedient to put it down. If it were; lie House ; yet it should he remembered, that towards the could have suppressed it without the least difficulty what end of the Session a sort of intimation was given that ever. That the Association was unconstitutiouel, nobody something might be done; and now his Majesty's Minis- pretended to doubt ; but he (lid not believe that any body ters stood pledged to support inquiry, as they had pro- had undertaken to say that it was illegal. Why then did posed it to the Throne to recommend it to the Legisla- it e xi s t Mer e ly because the Government bad riot the in ture—a measure which they could hardly have adopted genuity to pass a Bill which could suppress it. lie, how without being prepared torecommend some specific alteration eve r, wa s of opinion that any Bill brought in to obtain of the existing state of things. Ile for one had always thought, that object directly would be very bad law. If Ministers that if ever such a measure ought to he carried, it ought would only follow his advice, he declared he would propose to be in the form of a recommendation from the Throne- a measure that would have that effect immediately, with- Upon this principle it was that Mr. Pitt at first proposed out difficulty, and without giving reasonable dissatisfation, to introduce the question, having intended to take upon t o a n y party. The measure which her would recommend himself and his colleagues the adoption of some measure of would be—a Bill to place all Roman Catholic subjects an relief; finding himself unable to carry it,, h e r e tired from a footing of perfect equality with their brethren the Pro office. Not making the question a Cabinet question was testants.—(Hear, hear.)—Were such a Bill to pass the also one fault of - Lord Liverpool's Administration; for that Hou se , he was well convinced that nobody would ever hear Administration was so formed, that it was impossible to more of the Catholic Association, It was superfluous to unite the Ministry upon it. There were at first existing, put down the Catholic Association by . a direct Prelimi to be sure, certain circumstances which rendered the goes- nary Bill, for its extinction would be a necessary con; Con a difficult one. The country w as involved in war, sequence of the sett!ement of the Catholic Claims.— and it became necessary to unite men in the Adminietra- (Hear, hear, hear.) tion who agreed upon other points, though they differed Lord GODERICH must confess himself not a little upon this. But when the war ceased, the system remain- disappointed that the Speech afforded so little information ed.—every Aheriber of the Cabinet took which side he on ono of those points which appeared to him tq be of pleased,but not as if it were a Government question ;so that vit a l importan t *, whether he considered it he relation to that Government did not escape its share of responsibility. the feelings, the honour, the policy, or the deep interest It was responsible for its neutrality, and it was responsible of Great Britain; he meant the relations between Eng for its irresponsibility. At the termination of Lord Liver- laud an d the Court of Portugal. He was given to un pool's Administration Mr. Canning succeeded, and formed der s t a rel that the communication, the diplomatic corn an Administration, in which he had such a minority in a" munication at least, between this country and the Court numerous Cabinet, that two only were opposed to Catholic of Portugal was still suspended. His Majesty's Govern • Emancipation, and one of the two, the present Lord merit, it-was said, had been occupied in earnest and well- Chancellor, it was known, bad never expressed himself meant endeavo u rs to settle the difficulties of that country, : hostile An _the question in the event of .proper securities and to, diminish thepressure of the mischief; by direct And yet Mr. Cumin clung to the sys- lodations with the Emperor el the Brazils. But he tens Of his pradecessees ; the question was nut made a knew nothing of. the nature, though he was informed of 'Cabin( t question, and it consequently failed.• Since then it the obje c t of those .negociations—nor did he know of the had,however,gone on gaining in importance—an importance mode in which they lyric likely to be eermineted. Unless 'too great to be neglected ; and if Government were any the House received some information from Ministers, be longer to remain Oeutral, that neutrality would become was afraid that their .Lordships had no option but to con injurious to time interests of the country at large.—(Hear, elude that the negociations, whatever they were, had not hear.)—Upon these .grounds it was that Ministers had proceeded in a satisfactory course. Nn other inference could humbly advised his Majesty to recommend to the Legible- be draws. The subject, he repeated, was of time utmost tore the adoption of such a measure• importance, and it was one upon which Governmeut were Lord FARNHAM and the Mariposa; Of DOWNSIIIIIE bound to afford the (louse all reesonahle information. At rose at the same . thoa ; but the latter having given way, present every thing was withheld from their Lordships. the former proceeded. Ile was anxious to say a few words He did feel that if there was any spot in Europe, or in the more, however, with reference to the form at' time proceed- world, to which England was bound by stronger ties titan lugs itbou.t to be introduced, titan in - opposition to time in- to any other (he would almost say by ties of affect:on), - - t e ee e te of the Human Catholics in figure. But he thought it was to time little kingdom of Pot tugsl. He should Press it right in Bruins that no mistake should go forth to the on his Majesty's 'Ministers hie expectation that their Lord public as to the intentions of Ministers upon this question. ships would, in due time, receive such information .on the Ile was the more anxious upon this point, as time Catholic subject as would give thetn a hope that every thing was Question was uric which involved the feelings and interests likely to terminet e to the gratification' of all those who knew ( ) Sti l e whole .populationi lie might say from . the Land's how to estimat e roil cherish the close connexion of the two E n d to John O'Groat's; and although the expressioa of kingdoms. With reference to alleirs in the East of Europe, feeling upon it WAS neither. so loud nor so universal as he should be ready to come forward and support the policy of might have been expected, it must be considered to have the Treaty of July. He would now say a few words upon a arisen from the esteem and confideuoe placed by the p eo pl e mor e important, because it was a more domestic subject. in the high character and unbending constitutional feeling H e concurred whh the recommendation with which his of the Noble Duke at the head Of his Majesty's Government; Majesty's Speech concluded, as to the tone and temper in and he must confess that confidence gave the public a right which Parliament might to consider the question. 33;tt la to expect that Isis Grace would not hiveintroduced-s o im- agreed with th e N o bl e L or d w h o L a d epeleee. et - an seiVi'oer portant a measure with such little notice. If it were not a part of the debate, that thee* never Ised . lecen any natuifese littl e irregular, be won'd state two grounds which strength.• nation of eioleose or. temper, or of any thing but the calm cited this expectation on the part of the people—hen - mot the Bess whieh ought -to regulate the pt oceedings of the House, Noble Duke's speech on the late (limo:treacls of the 64h0110 an d which they were now about to manitid—but not for • Question, and a more recent publication of his noble Fri e nd, I th e first time. So deeply did he feel the paramount both of which a contraryopitiionprevailed; and from b o th • p o rtance of settling the Catholic Question, that whatever is was reasonable to Suppose that the Noble Duke entertained might he his individual and personal fehlings on verioal no such intention. And here he must observe, that the recent events—events of the last two }earl,,, whicls lie cone channels which tt , uallY convey public infortmtation, and time f e ssed had never led him .to autieipatr the happy event 'to 0 c meductors of which sometimes. took a peep behind tie which their attention was now adverted-4e should feel it eettain. had, upon this occasion, studiously kept the public Lis duty to suppress those feelings altogether, even 1• in tie dirk as to the intentions of his Maj. sty's Ministers. though he could not pretend to extinguish them. He had The Noble Duke hail, in answer to a question ant by a never been a party to any 'consideration of the subject, but Noble • Duke . (Newcastle) on the Cross Bench, informed ou the principle of a deep conviction of the absolute neces their Lordships that elf offices, both in and out eity of &Win& the question for the safety of the enlirct His - heari was moat warm at the language of the Speeds, and at the arguments of the Noble Lord opposite; for he felt under a conviction thut the "proposition would, with respect to terms, times. and the circumstances belonging to it, be suds as he could honestly and consistently acceded to. With respect to the Catholic As-ociation, he fully agreed in what had been sail by the gallant Marquis be hind him (the Marquis of -log!coed). lie believed that the most effectual Bill that could be devised to put down this Association was, a Bill that would admit the Catholic subjects of the empire into an enjoyment of squid political rights with their Protestant brethren. Any other mett• sure, if it could be effectual, would unnecessary. When • Government was prepare] to grant a boon, it was useless to put down by law that which must be ilims•lved by na ture. He did nut advise the Catholic Association to dis solve itself, and he cared not whether it did b 0 or not, for the nature of things would dis Solve it. Theme would be nothing on which they could hereafter exist. He should not be too nice with reference to the Catholic Association, nor with reference to the measure of securities. The hest security to his mind was to do the thing they were about to do. Lord ELDON spoke not very audibly, hut to the effect of accusing the Preeident of the Council with sup porting a measure to which he had declare/ interminable hostility. Lord BATHURST denied the sentiments imputed to hint by the Noble and Learned Load. The Duke of NEWCASTLE should enter Lis decided protest against that part of the Speech 'which related to the Catholic Question. That part of the .speech of the Presi dent of his Majesty's Council, which implied that their • Lordships should accede to the Catholic Question, because it was recommended from the Throne, formed to his mind a strong reason why the House should reject it. Is his op4rion, this recommendation from the Throne was the very ground on which the House ought to reject the proposed measure. He had hoped the Noble Duke, on Whom their Lordships had relied as their defender, would still have been their defender. If he entered on a course so danger ous, he could tell him that he would fall from that high situation which he now filled. If Le deserted his God and and his country be would fall. into disgrace. Lord REDESDALE wished to state what occurred to him on the subject, and first with referent* to the sup pression of the Catholic Association. Was it the intention of Government that the common law of the land, with re ference to such Associations, should remaisi or not? Me conceived that the Noble Duke might, with propriety, propose a law which should give to the common law of the laud, now applicable to all such bodies, another power to prevent the evil of this particular case. What' was the language now used in Ireland, even amongst the highest in situation in the Roman Catholic Church ? They said, they were preparing to sweep the pestilent hierarchy of Protestantiem limn the /ace of the earth. Was such lan guage to be endured ? Was power to be given to such persons to effect what they threatened? The Government Must put down that spiait in the Catholic Church. It re mained in Ireland, it hail de slated Sprin, and had produced such inconvenience in Portugal. This was a very difficult task. The Parliament in the last Session, hail thought pruper to admit Dissenters from the Church generally. When he lied given his negative to that measure, it VIM on the impression of the danger of similar proceedings in favour of the Cabo lies. He had been less adverse tirthe Dissenters, because, although they were numerous, they were a divided body. They were dinned into a-sty almost without end, and each of the sects was a distinct and separate !roily. They were not combined in the manner of the Catholics—they were not under such subjection to their Priesthood, nor were they connected with any Foreign Power. When the Ca tholic religion was the religion of the country, the Parlia ment had taken upon itself to regulate the correspondence between the Church of England and that part of the Church which was at Rome. The Bishop of Rome claimed to be Bishop of the Christian Church, and, con sequently, asserted the right to regulate the Common Hall. _ This would still be the case if individuals were to be at liberty to correspond with Foreign Powers, without the restraint of Government. This subject caused ranch and serious consideration, and the Dis,enters were as much alarmed as any other dvscripthni of Protestant,. The Duke of WELLINGTON felt convinced that their Lordships would nut expect front him any further details am to what were the intentions of his Majesty's Govern ment with respect to the subject they were about to bring forward for the consideration of the House. His Majesty had been pleased to 11111101111 M his desire, that Parliament should take into its consideration the question of settling the Roman Catholic disabilities, and all points affecting the Catholic subjects of the realm ; and he had pointed out the particular manner in which the question of such disabilities were to be taken into consideration. When he (the Duke of Wellington) had stated svhat was the general purport of the measure, which his Majesty's servants had intended to propose, it was evident that he was aware that Parlia ment always meant to a Mere ►o that paramount principle which his Majesty was determined to preserve inviolate. It was really plain that Government was well provided in the principle to which the Noble Lord had adverted. If the Noble and Learned Lord would discuss his points when the n*asure was before the House, the Government might derive the utmost advantage from his assistance. Having said thus much in reply to the Noble and Learned Lot d,he must advert to what had Wien from the Noble Baron, his friend on the oss-bench. The Noble Baron bad accused him of want of candour in bringing forward this measure. In reply, he must remind the House, that on several occasions he had invariably stated his it cat anxiety to see a settle- ment of the question. iie hod always added that he con sidered a period of tranquillity necessary, in order to be able to bring about the object. He considered tranquillity especially necessary, because he wished to conciliate to the Question, those whom he knew to be adverse to it—that class of persons from whom the Noble Lord anticipated such numerous addresses. What he now wanted the House to do was, what he was aware would not lead to the tranquil lity which he so much desired. It was, however, his wish to conciliate, as much as possible, the people of this country to the measure he bad been induced to adopt in Ireland.— The Noble Duke on the (TOM bench (the Duke of New castle) had stated to the Hotise, that the measure about to be proposed was inconsistent with the Constitution of the country, as established at the era of the Revolution.— If Government were about to propose what was to in 4oduce a predominant Catholic power into Parliament, le should say he was then doing what was inconsistent witness t f f:i o t h ' f l u% that g whic h could no t cerdatiipdelointigitor, he outrage i z e g il h o ß t n ,; 7o o t u i t l r b m e gi a os n i t i t e a y n ( e . c f n ie .; l, to himibe very agreeable. But the Noble Person to whom I am alluding has been spared, by the delicacy of my Noble Friend opposite, the Ninful task of aiding and abet ting a proceeding Which he must regard as a gross outrage, but one which I consider as doing the highest honour to the French Government. The decisive step of the occu ' pstion of the Mores by the French, was, under the eh-- cumstmaces, a proof of the high honour and military energy of that Ie•ople. Travelling farther westward, I cannot irslp alluding to tie policy which has been pursued with respect to Portugal. I in unwilling, at present, to enter upon the details olthe measures which have been adopts!, with respect to that truantry; but I am anxious that the propre explanations should be given on that head, and that it s'arrald be made to appear, that the correspoo(e►:ce of the Government of this country with the land of this house of Braganca has been carried on in the most amicable and satisfactory manner, and with the prospect of ►,sadimg to the most beneficial results. I now come t that most important topic which is touched upon at the the close of his Majesty's Sper,b_the settlement of Ire land ; a measure which was an alradutely indispensable preliminary to the good government, the happiness, sad the prosperity of that country. When I see that a groat good is in view, there is nobody less disposed to inquire critically and scrupulously into the motives of those by vl loin the measures for effectuating that great good are t ► with the Constitution ; but he was doing_. no such thing. Ministers were as adverse to every tendency to that result, as those who opposed them. Would any man pretend to say, that a Catholic power did not now exist in this country and in Ireland ? Government was not introduc ing any Catholic power into Ireland—for that power was acknowledpd to exist—and it required a measure like that now proposed, to balance it. He entreated Noble Lords to look at the situation of the country. Nu Government could go on in the situation of the country—in the exist ing state► of Ireland, and• he might add, in the exist ing state of public opinion on the Catholic Question. His opinion was, that it was the wish of a majority in both countries, that the question should be settled. Oil this conviction, he : had, with the concurrence of his friends, brought forward the ►neasure for their Lordships consideration, and he entreated the House to give time to bring the measure forward in a wanner in which they could obtain his Majesty's assent, and the approbation of the country. . The Marquis of LANSDOWNE—Vast and paramount a is the impoi tenet) of the subject of the state of Ireland, 'and the consideration, of the nicourcs which may be best calculated to introduce peace, prosperity, and contentment among the mass of the population of that country, we must not allow ourselves to he so far engrossed by this great object of domestic policy, us entirely to forget that there exists a continent of Europe. The topics to which the Speech directs our attention, with c4.roffe to our foreign policy, on, some of thit,n ui least are also of the utm o st impertauee. Whew w ill, afterwards be discussed at greater length; Gut even now they ought not to be dismissed without some observations. First, its to the war which now rages in the East of E.uropo bet Ween Russia and Turkey. lam truly early that the efforts of his Majesty's 'Ministers to put an end to that War have not been more successful. lam sorry that they have not better succeeded in averring the i ppteket4o of those horrors with which such a war mu s t he utVii . lo; if it should disturb the general lasi, e yi.tupr. -.1/ 4t admit that I do not know any rue.rlt:ce . mace calculate : a to avert such horrors Von the ptAicx puystrecl la 4 year, found ed on the Treat;, 9. COT4i a4ilt ferrying into effect the deter Diu t;u tti comer] sari t the cessation of hostilities fAreeee,,Vear, hear.)---I regard that policy, and the sera to which have resulted from it, with the highest ainii s. bation. It is a line of policy whi c h . has given tk iR e :jest sanction to the Treaty, notwithstanding t h e alhakionaCti some that it Would be in terferinewith th ‘ e a r tt;eiiees,t pviueiplea of national policy to take pK.se- - -4.4 . qju oVinlc Kilia n of the do minions of our Wklift4 4 'l,kkoit ancient, and moat en lightened tit a view to the pacification of Greece, an:, Otitititu en , ' to the inhuman warfare which was waged in that country. It was an act of sound policy aml plain justice to take possession - of the Mores, ak though by some it was considered as a gross and abomkt,‘4l.}a outrage ; an I I c a nnot help ad m i r i ng t h e delipOy of my Noble F t iced, the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs, who sent one of those who hxl au d'ecidedly ili%approved of the interfinenee of ;he three Powers with the Grecian part e( the Qttutpan cultirc cut of ths way to anotLer ticettq be roposed. Ido not go the length 4.f a Noble Lord who tl.at every art of grace and favour ought to emanate .`run► the Crown ; hut I do say, that acts of grave and favour do come with peculiar grace and propriety from r'►e Crown.—(llear, hear.) A. Noble Lord had said, that ;f the Catholics were to be admitted to ail the privi- le; el of the Constitution as fully and freely as the Protest • ante then the King, as a Protestant, would have no se curity fur his Crown. But it is because none hot a Pro terttant can hold the Crown, that I see nothing, dengerone in the removal of Catholic disabilities—(hear, beer)—eince a Protestant Sovereign will have the selection of all the great Cfficere of State, and all the most influential Officers of , tie Crown, so that the hi beet secut ity will exist for the arty of the Protestant Establishments of this country.— (Hoer, hear.)—But it is said that it is necessary, as a pre liminary. to pat down the Cutholie Association. I hold, with my Noble Friend near me, that the short way to carry that into effect is to remove the Catholic disabilities. I hope the Noble Duke will succeed in his object; but it will be by his second measure, and 'not by. his first. He ,cannot but remember that other. Ministers have attempted to put down these Associations, but that they hate nut succeeded. Lord Liverpool pertiettlarly attempted it, but failed? But was it from want of ability in , Lord Liver pool that he failed ? Was it front want of zeal and per seer: ance ? Or was it from wept of zeal, perseverance, and ability, in the Noble Marquis, who was then, under his Majesty, at the head of the Irish Government, that the suppression could not be effected? I thought, at the time when these measures of suppression were tomer considera tion, and I expressed my opinion, that they must prove utterly inefficacious, because they did not go to the root of the evil—(hear, hear)—and because the Homan Catimlics lied no other way of giving vent:to their grievances. You may as well attempt to extinguish u volcano by sweeping sway the cinders, here and there, from its crater, as to suppress thew Associations by direct coercive ineeeures ; and if you could succeed, the flames would burst out in :, far more dangerous way in another quarter, though, nor' in a way so open and visible. You may imprison the Catholic Association in the Castle of Dublin, or in a dungcott in any other situation ; but it is a ler sitter made of givieg vent to the feelings of public discontent, than that fire which for a time smoulders in the dark, to burst out at List with a more territie conflagration. No man can be more sensible than I am of the evils of au irresponsible body existing; in the country, veering with every gu s t an d b reat h o r e po pular feeling. But the way to put an end to that state of things is to give a more constitutional vent to tlt , t peptder feeling—to bring the Boman Catholics to this and tea-other House of Parliament, where the feelings of the muse of the community may have vent, by discussion and col isien of sentiment in Parliament. That is the mode of suppress ing the Catholic Association. I concur with the Noble Lord who seconded the Address, and who spoke so warmly and with so much goad sense, and who had the advantege of the knowledge derived front experience in the perae ur anee of his duties in Ireland, that the effect of rote,. ing the Catholic disabilities will be to dissolve the Associetiet e Let it be remembered that the Association springs out of repeated refusals on your part to consider the griev ances of which the Catholic population cemplains.--e In 1812 you refused to listen to their emnplaints, and to consider them with a view to a remedy, and you had then no Association. Jo 1819 you refused to listen to their complaints, and you had then no Association. It was when you repeatedly turned a deaf ear to their peti tions and complaints that at length the discontent of the people of Ireland found a vent through the Association ; and now that the majority which befor e opposed them are willing seriously and bona ,fide to take the subject into consideration, the Association will soon dissolve of itself; and I hope we shall not much* longer see this por tentous contest between religion and property. It is only to be regretted that the settlement of this momentous question did not take place long before this time. What immense good would have been effietted if the advice of Mr. Pitt had been followed at the time of the Union—an advice whick did more honour to his memory as a States man than any other advice which Le gave, or act which he did, during the long period of Lis adotinistra tien. The time, however, has at length come when a gratifying prospeet is afforded of having- that to mentous question settled which has so much e *Lig m os t desir able the country for these ten years past, an d ar .f .11y most sitteete atal Shull warmest support. I feel cor,fi''..eni that it is the intention a tt e leh given Lo jt.ct intonayrle e t it t e n t al o h f av c e arryint: of . his Majesty's Ministers to propose the consideration of the subject, with a view to a termination favourable to the Catholics. I feel confident of this flout the words of the Speech, and from the, nature of the subject itself; for it w ould be madness, and something worse than madness, to hold out these Lopes to the great body of the Catlsoficss, and then to throw them hack again upon discontent.— (Ilear.)—There is now an absolute necessity to enter upon, the discussion with the serious anti bona fide iutention come to a result favourable to the claims of 'the mit lions of the Roman Catholic population. The sub ject has often been unsuccessfully discussed Ott the peti tions date Catholics : but now, with the support of his . Majesty's Ministers, there is every reasonable prospect of a successful termination, an the greatest a n d most per d thus mauent good will he effected for this eountry.—(ilear.l The Earl of ABERDEEN said, the Noble Al trqu' A h a d .not advert,d to some other measures mentioned in ' o i s je.ty's Speech, for which he was not more respor, s itd e th an his colleagues, but in which he might, from situation he held, be thought more interested ; and hr}: t-tese for the purpose of expressing his readiness to gies access to evciy epeciet of inforreatien concerning nu(z toveign policy, and to say that he was really to enter iirAce the closest exam:ill-. tion ofevery part of that polioyi, particularly the room. Ir . had pursued respecting Vortugal. • Ile was quite tv,ily to and enter into any expla44km thr,t give every inform a timk was neeessaric, to justify what had been done I jet! be was then sera that our for:sign policy It'oold 1x, 4 -ekre fr o m th e . Noble Marquis the same prais e which le had bestowed 014 the other subjects mentioned in ttia, Majesty's Speech., The Noble Marquis would find, a•' their L trdsbips w0,u141 find, that what had been a t one respi-etin; that country w, 04 strictly consistent vith the principles of justice.. His Lad, ship again r.,- \ . mssitl'his readiness, and even his anxie t y, to meet airy investigation into thAt or any other foreign. policy the Nate Marquis might alio:, to was then agreed institute: Tin! 4 , 4estion that the Addrette be ' 'Viper to put by the LORD CIIANCELLOP. Their Lordships adjourned , hurl carri e d nem . con . at few minutes past Nine o ttalthi • ALNWICK A-ADRES3 TO THE DUKA OF NOR Trf 1.11 m: et On Saturday an Address was pre sentHl to lAki nt Alnwick ?ay upwards of 74:1'ARfs4n4. expavihing their gratulation on his appoint ; tint to: Coe Coverrunent of Ireland, a s j their high r,iation Lis Grace's private virtues and public ac.„ of beneficence; and statiuz, that Ole. examPle atfordeit by hi s Grace of residing on the otr.te of his ancestors 'would, if thgenerallily fu at llotved, in'AFF.Qvethe ttondition o f any -rountry— ui decelyVAAng to the Aristocracy of that nation to which his cAce is. tot the eve of departure.. The deputation whe ! 4,4,•5 e r.t.e.1 the address were kind ly rexeived by his Grace, much dime() on this" interesting occasion, aud elpressed bint , ell in reply ;01,6 effect—" that hi s u p. :I pointment to flu: Lieutenants reland had com e more i n shape of a command than, areqUest, and he therefore Con- Ili demi it 'gas duty to attend to his Sovereign ; but, from the arrangement wllich he had made, he hop e d soon again to have the pleaaere of enjoying the society of hie Alnwick friends.".' The character of his Grace is such as to endear him, to who know him, In Great Britain there is one soldier for every 1 229 inhabitants, Fratire ISB, United States 1,977, Russia 77, Prussia 80, Austria 118, Netherlands 142. The re lation of the fleet to the population is—Great Britain, ore ship of the, line or kigate to every 82,979 inhabitants, France 290,909, United States 316,000, Russia 686,250, Austria 2909,094 Netheriaris 170,556.