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gentleman, I received notice of his intention to put his question, I thought it right to communicate with my sate colleague, Lord Ellenborough, and he has autho rised me to say that at no time, to the best of his recol lection, had any such intimation been made to him. (Hear, hear.) I beg to move that this house at its rising do adjourn to Friday, the 28th inst. Mr. CLAY said if the house would indulge him for a few minutes he was anxious to make a few observations, which, in point of fact, would be an appeal to the right hon. gentleman the member for Oxford on the subject of the motion which had engaged the attention of the house for the last few nights. He might be permitted to state that from the moment of the retirement of Lord Xasnborough he considered the motion to be inexpe dient, not that the merits of the case were altered, but after the resignation of Lord Ellenborough he saw that events must take one of two curses. Previous to that resignation the motion was one which was due to the dignity of the house with reference to an act of rashness unparalleled in the history of sta'esmanship. But after the resignation of Lord Ellenborough one of two courses mast be pursued—either the motion would be one of mere party spirit, and that motion was one with which many others besides gentlemen opposite and the m a j o. rity of the country did not sympathise. If that was not the course taken, the discussion must turn on the policy of the despatch and the proclamation, as to which, as was confessed by the hon. gentleman himself, the house had not sufficient information on whic h to form an opi nion. The important papers w hich had been received that morning bad made him more confident with regard to the inexpediency of the motion. He was not anxious to intrude on the house his own opinions, but as he should conclude with an appeal to the right hen. gentleman to withdraw hie motion, he thought I right to state that the perusal of those p a p e rs had confirmed him in the opinion that Lord Canning's policy was right. He wished, however, for more time to consider them ; but he thought that the reasons given by Lord Canning were sufficient. It was not, therefore, that he differed from the policy of Lord Canning that be made these observations. But it was obvious that everybody in this country and in India would consider these debates as affirming or conciemnieg that policy, while there were, in fact, many more issues of a different nature to be decided. Many gentlemen opposite, if asked whether the policy of Lord Canning was right or wrong, would hesitate to give an opinion, and many of those who shared his opinion, that he was right , would vote with the Government they supported. On the other haul a great number of members on these benches believe it is right to vote with the Government. Why Because they think Lord Canning wrong. 8.2. - sauce they disapprove of the proclamation. Becauee they conceive the despatch and its publication justified. No ; but because they have no wish to see the Govern ment which lately sat on these benches moved from the position they now occupy. (Elear.) Although the coun try and the people of India may believe that we are de ciding the policy or impolicy of the proclamation, we shall, in fact, be deciding on nothing of the kind. (Hear.) I appeal to the right hon. gentleman, not in any pary spirit, not to save a party from a victory which may be so small as to be almost a defeat—(hear)—but I appeal to him as the friend of Lord Canning not to place L nl Cunning's reputation on an issue which unfairly repre sents the opinion of the country. (Cheers.) In what way this may be done, consistently with the forms of the house, I know not . . There may be some difficulty ie withdrawing the motion. Hon. gentlemen opposite may be unwilling that it should be withdrawn. (Partial sheering from the Minis erial side of the house.) I can perftetly feel that it should be withdrawn. But I cannot help thinking that my appeal is fair and horourable, and that we shout I not send f tell a judgment of the conduct of Lord Canning which is influencei by in iny motives beyond a belief whether his conduct is right or wrong. I neon - 4 think that hon. gentlemen, either on this or on the other side of the house, will throw any cbstacle in the way of the withdra eat of the motion. (Cheers.) Jr. BOWYER—I am anxious to add my voice to that of the boo. gentleman, and to appeal to the right bon. gentleman not to persevere with his motion. (Oh, oh, and cheers.) I think we might be much mere use fully employed than in discussing this motion. I ee l) , perhaps be told with reference to these papers, which appear to me to have an important bearing on the que,- tion—l may be told that there is the opinion of Sir J. Ou'ram on the one side and that a Lord Canning on the other. But. I ask the house to remember who is Sir J. Outram. He is on the spot, and is responsible for that pa-t of the country. That being the case, a strong opinion expressed by Sir J. Oatram on the impolicy of the proclamation ought, at least for the purpose of in suring greater deliberation, to be conclusive—(hear) — and I thick the right hon. gentleman will show great wisdom in not persevering with his motion in the face of the opinion of Sir J. Outram, who is the person chiefly concerned, and who must know more as to the effect ( f the proclamation than any other individual whatever. For this reason I join my voice with that of the hon. member for Hull, and request the right hon. gentle man to withdraw his motion. (Cheers.) Mr. CARDWELL—AIthough there is, in point t f form, a motion before the house, I do not think it would be right in me to do more than to avail myself of it, simply for the purpose of answering the appeal which has been made to me. No information has reached me which informs me that any change has taken place in the state of affairs. I see nothing in the despatches to in duce me to change my opinion, and I cannot think that it would be wise, or that it would be regarded as a f sir and straightforward sours on my part, if I would do more than say that I think it right my motion should go on. Sir DE L. EVANS —I entirely concur in the first part of the proposition of the hon. member for Hull, that the issue of the motion now before the house will entirely rs;slead the country and the people of India. (Hear.) I think also that it will be most unsatisfactory to Lord Canning. (Hear, hear.) It will be sti'l - more unsatisfac tory as regards the great interests of this- country. (Cheers.) As the right hon. gentleman does not think fit to withdraw his motion, and as I consider this is a question strongly aff.tc log our Indian empire, and even the stability of the British empire, I think the matter ought not t) be left in doubt in any way whatever, and I therefore beg to give notice of a motion which I think will meet the case. (Cheers) Immediately after the recess I purpose to submit to the house the fol:owing re solution : —"That in the opinion of this house the pro clamation of the Governor General of India, pronouncing the confi-cation to the British Government of the pro prietary rights in the soil of the numerous population of the province of Oude, is not equitable, nor calculated to premote the pacification of that country, and ought not be be carried into effect." (Cheers.) Mr. D RUMMOND—Whenever hon. gentlemen on this side of the house brought forward factious motions in order by a sidewind to weaken the late Government, I invariably voted with them and against the factions motion, and shall do so on the present occasion. I should not have risen on the present occasion but for some words which have dropped from the right hon. gentleman the member for Oxford. He bas a perfect right to give me an answer or not, just as he pleases, and I admit the folly of putting questions upon re ports ; but I certainly was much surprised at the in . dignation with which the proposal to withdraw the motion was received, because I had beard that he bad previously manifested an intention of withdrawing it. I wish to ask the right hon. gentleman if that report is correct? (Cheers and laughter.) Mr. CARDWELL—The hon. member has been en tirely misinformed. (Hear, hear.) Mr. CON YNGHA M—l understand the motion before the house to be a vote of censure on the Government. That censure I am prepared to vote for. (Cheers and laughter.) Ido not think the Government ought to be carried on on the principle of limited liability. (Oh, oh, and laughter.) In reply to questions by Mr. GRIFFITH and Mr. LTGON, relative to the letters of the 6th of March and the 20th of February. Lord PALIIERSTON said—l can only repeat What I stit'ed before, that when my right hon. friend showed me the passages in the letter] referred to, it did not ocour to me to suggest to him that there was anything in them requiring transmission to the Government, but I now regret baying given my opinion. (Cheers.) who . T. DUNCOMBE—A great number of members .I:n.intended to support the motion now wish the right 10 1 an & gentleman to withdraw it. But he refuses to do house, l a t t h d e s e_h_a_n . c fa llor of . t . he . Exchequer presses the evening. t a 4 44 ‘ o l l l t , a division must take place this it is competent for t o th the d ebate I don't know whether tn i e l%To, no.") but if I am not out of order I will more thats be resumed on the 28. b, when the hone re-asse mbles. (Oh, oh.) Wh y not.? The motion pronou nces no opini o n ClaillatiOrt. It goes on to censure th ur on the pr ' But we Weet something mor e thance Government. the motion au honest v ote of censure it "Leg. 4 To n ? a , , e t to Fon elude in this manner :—" And rende r i ng b i l , r me present Government unworthy ence of the c on fi d " Y'l of.ti i i 4 house." I woul d p ut it to you who her you can on _ shade the debate to n i g ht ? (" Yes, yes," "No, 0.,,) I believe that if the right hop. gentle-93n bad bee in possession of the information which is now before i the house be would never have moved the reaolutiot....- (hear, hear) —and would hare raida use of totally dd. THE SUN, LONDON, SATURDAY ferent arguments from those which he need last Friday. ' The case of last Friday is not the case - of this Friday, (Laughter.) New information has arrived, and we have materials for a new debate altogether. (Rear.) You might as well divide on some defunct motion made during the last session as on the motion now before the house. (Laughter and cheers.) The right honourable gentleman considers himself pledged to it, and that be must go on. But there is no occasion for him to g on at all. (Loud cheers.) It is said that honourable gen• tlemen opposite will not allow him to withdraw it. Surely that cannot be the case, They complain that it is a party move. But will not their refusal to withdra w it make it a party move ! (Cheers.) The late First Lord of the Admiralty, the other night, said that he never felt so clear from party motives in his life. (Loud laughter.) Therefore this is no party movement, and therefore he cannot object to its being withdrawn of postponed until we get a lit le more information, (Laughter.) I shoul i say withdraw it altogether. (Loud cheers.) I had intended to vote for the motion. I d not disguise my opinion. If the right hon. gentleman holds me to that pledge, perhaps I ought to vote for it; but as it is I must take my hat and wish him good night. (Laughter and cheers.) Ido say that it is for the cha racter, the dignity, the honour of this house, and for the interests of our Indian empire, that the motion shoul;: he withdrawn. (Loud cheers.) Sir D. NORREYS—I gave notice of a motion last night, but understand it cannot be put on account of the forms of the house. lam convinced that a large por tion of those who hear me would be very glad to get out of the dilemma in which they are placed. (Cheers.) I have a decided objection to the resolution of the right hon. gentleman being proceeded with at the present time. I think we have sufficient information before to to satisfy us that we ought to take a more decided course than the one 113 VI proposed. The question of confisca tion is a decided fact. (Ministerial cheers.) Ceti any hon. member on this side of the house conscientiously say that there are any grounds on which the landholders cf Oude ought to be subjected to - this penalty. I confess, for my own part, that I am totally ignorant of the ex tent to which these landholders have rendered themselves liable to the universal punishment inflicted upon them. All that I know is that Lord Canning, in his last de spatch, describes them in this manner :—" The Gover nor-General entirely agrees with you in viewing the ta lookdars and landholders of Oude in a very different light Irene that in which rebels in our old provinces are to be regarded. The people of Oude had beea subjects of the Bri•isla government for litele more than one year when the mutinies broke out; they had become so by no act of tbeir own." Those who were prepared to vote for the right hon. gentleman's motion were evidently supporting the policy of confi;cation, and yet they were not in possession of any information by which to justify this extraordinary act. (Cheers.) Mr. 0. STANLEY—I agree with the hon. member for Finsbury, and should regret the house being fore,d to a division on this unfortunate motion. (Cheers.) From the moment the additional papers were placed on the table of the house, I felt that a complete alteration had taken place in the aspect of the question. (Cheers.) I V 4 503 evident to me that the first three lines of the right hon. gentleman's motion ceased to be of value, because we now have Lord Canning's reasons for the proclama tion which he issued. I wish to ask a question of the hon. member for Swansea, because the house will recol lect that the Chancellor of the Exchequer and the Go vernment have declared their deterinwation to support the amendment of that hon. member. I wish to know whether in the altered state of circumstances he m-ars to move his amendment ? (Rear.) Its morns to me t itt having in our ban Is the papers which have just beet produced, we cannot agree to the following word'', that "this house declines to give any opinion upon the Cush proclamation until it has bad further information on tf e state of Oude when the proclamation was issued, and also Lord Canning's reasons for issuing it." I wish to ask the hon. gentleman if he still means to put his amend went ? (Cheers.) Mr. DILL WYN—In reply to the question of the bon. gentleman, I beg to say that if the right hon. gentleman presses his motion, I shall certainly press my amend ment. I cannot but think that the papers which bare this morning reached us in no way take away the neces sity of my amendment. They appear to me to show that Lord Canniog's policy is an impracticable policy ; and looking at the cpioion of Sir J. Outram, I do not think we shall be able to adopt that policy Liaises we Lave a greater force in India than we have at present. (Rear, hear.) Colonel SYKES—I rise to express to the he u e my c- n viction of the nature of the papers which have been put into our hands this day. The house will recollect that we have been diecussing—what ? A proclamation supposed to have been issued in Oude. When ? When Lucknow was taken. That proclamation is said to embody a phrase confiscating the proprietary rights of the sod, implying that the proprietary rights of five millions of people are to be confiscated. In England the word "confiscation" has a fear'ui signification. But I, as a linguist, say-----(laughter)---I, as a linguist, say that the term used dues not signify confiscation—(laughter)—but it means "sequestration —(c mtinued laughter) —se questration. It means Appropriation and sequestration, leaving a complete opening for the consideration of any claim that may arise. That is my full and firm belief of the meaning of the term originally used in the proclarne tion. But when was it used ? Tee proclamation was to be issued when Lucknow was taken. Before Lucknow was taken. S:r J Outram communicates with Lard Cac hing, and says, " Your preclarnation will prevent the talookdars from coming in, and your lercship had bitter make some alteratio n s." What di r L )rd Canning do? Lord Canoiog, in reply, says—" To those amongst them who shall promptly come forward, and give to the Ceief Commissioner their support in the restoration of peace, this indulgence will be large, and the Governor-General will be ready to view liberally the cl dine which they may thus acquire to a restitution of the r former nighty." Then what bseoines of the charge against-Lord Canning's policy when anybody chooeiiig to come in wi I have his rights considered in a lib , rat sprit, and his property may be restored? What becomes of the charge of cet.fiscatioe? (Cheers.) Up to this moineet, for anything we know, the pr clatuation has tint been issued, an the house has been arguing on a system of policy that probably has no existence at al. (Cheers.) Mr. DUNLOP—I wish to lut a question to the tight hon. gentleman the member fur Oxford with regard to what has taken pace to-night. It should be understood whether he agrees to receive my amenotnent in the f irm in which I put it--that is to say, as an addition to his motion, or whether he merely means that atter his :no tion shad have been adopted, he will thee support my amendment as a substantive resolution. Mr. LOCKE—I do net think it very convenient to the house to have a double discussion, and will confine my remarks to a request to the right hon. gentleman not entirely to reject the appeal which bas been made to him. (Cireere.) I think that urcumstatces have been occurring from day to day since the motion w s put on the table, which will fully justify not only this appeal, but the feeling that we have been discussing upon a very narrow issue the complicated and changingstate of things in a distant country. (Cheers.) I think the papers which we have received this day will fully justify any one in an. appeal, however strong it may be, to waive the fur, her discussion of the question until we have better materials for that purpose. (Cheers.) The hca. member for Fins bury has suggtsted the adjeuroment of the discussion until after the recess. But I think that would be only adding one difficulty to another (dear.) Cuesiderine the narrow limits of the motion, totally irrespective of any party object, I think the debate may be fairly ,con eluded to-night, and trust if we are to be limited to the tesolution we shall at once cane to a decision. In con , sequence of the change of circums•ances which has oc ' curred, and my not bring ab'e to agree to one part of the resolution, I shall certainly not give it my support. (Cheers.) Major WORTLEY—I wish to ask a question of the hon. member for Inverness-shire. In one of the papers laid on the tibia this morning I find the following para graph :—The Chief Commissioner deems this matt r of such vital importance that, at the risk of being deemed importunate, he ventures to submit his views once more, in the hope that the Right Hon. the Governor-General may yet be induced to re - consider the subject." I think it is important that the house should see the previous letters of Sir J. Outram. It is perfectly evident from the words "once more," and the expression "re-consider the subject," that Sir J. Outram had previously writt-n officially to the Governor-General on the subject of the proclamation. As no date is mentioned in the letter of Sir J. Outram I am not able to judge whether it was written previously to the publication of the proelaars ti in or since. I therefore ask the hon. member whether be can procure the previous papers, and if he cannot, I would a , k the same question of the hon. member for Northawpton. (Cheere,) Mr. BAILLIFee—It would certainly appear fro n the of t re paragraph t o whi ch the hon. meals r has ,erevreiocueisvecdombymtuhenißcaotairodnofheadonbtreoeni. made, hut none referred that some has p revious f m o otion. I wish to ask whether it is p ossible at this p eriod rMOrilfWordYcLoprr—ectllfy,lbliensdteilrlsitanntedntdhsetrolgphrtocheend. with hid of the debate to move the previous question, because to continue the debate seder present c rcumstances is pei fectly uselte , e. (dear.) Major WORTLEY—At the risk of being thou g ht ir - —I wish to ask the tetviive—(cries of " Order, order') right hon. gentleman oppoete—(order, order-) any one ask the question for me l (Hear, and a laug ) Mr. B. CARTER—No one feels more than I do tie' the house is in a false position, and for this reason. ThF eght, hon. member for Oxford has ranted a question whist let still before the house, and which is not at all altered by the facts which have recently come before it. What 'ver the result of the division may be, the real question ail not be brought before the country. I look upon the -110 - j-et under di.cu.sion ii<k,iiivieinie into two heads— tnat %Mull the kuution has raised and that to which tb- Government aro directing our attention. The queetioe which the right boo. gentleman has raised is • at p y l t hi- —whether the existing Government eball be held justified in sending out a despatch of the tenor, and couched in language, of that which was sent out by Lord Ellen borough, to any person, be he who he may, the gover nor of a small island, or the governor of a great depen dency—which is calculated, in the words of the resolu tion, " to produce the most prsjedicia,l effect, by weak ening the authority of the Governor G meral." (Cheers.) That is one of the questions. Tao subsequent question is, whether the publ:cation of such a despatch is justi fiable. Now, the general tenor of the debate has been "..o lose sight of this very important and imperial ques tion, in order to divert it to the ground of the success or failure of the proclamation itself. As regards that proclamation, I still think we are not in a position to discuss and decide the question of the policy adopted by Lord Canning. (Hear.) I am not prepare! to give an unhesitating vote in favour of that policy, but I con fess that the ant cedents of Lord Canning lead use to be lieve tbat his policy is right. (Cheers.) But that is not ',he question before us. (Hear ) Are we go to the c ,untry upon a false issue ? (Ministerial cheers.) The gillant gener.l who has given notice of a motion which will fairly raise the question, which is now unfairly raised, has taken a course which will meet the approval of the country. He is severing the question into two oarte. We shall have to decide whether the despatch and the publication were right, and whether the policy .f Lord Canning is right. (Cheers.) Although we are 'iot in a condition to pass an opinion upon the merits of the proclamation, I s , ill think we may vote upon the .imple qu-stion whether such a despatch ought to have Teen sent, and whether it ought to have been publisaed. Mr. ROEBUCK—I wish to repeat the question put by the hon. member for Honiton (Major Wortley), which I conclude the right hon. member for Northarnp 'Gun did not hear. The paragraph which the hon. mem ,er read clearly shows that the Chief C mmissioner (Sir J. Outram) had stated to the G ivernor-General his ob jections to the proclamation. What I want to know is, whether the right hen, gentleman is in any way in pos -eseion of any papers or documents which will throw any light upon the subject, or whether he has been in possession of any papers or documents wnich will throw any light upon the objections which at some former time Sir J. Ou ram may have urged against the procia oath a, or whether be knows that such previous remon strances have been made by Sir J. Outram. Mr. V. SMI PH—I did not answer the question, be eause I thought it had been sufficiently answered by the Secretary to the Board of Control. That hon. gentleman ,s in possession of, or has access to, all the documents which I received while in office—(near, hear)—and my noble friend (Lord Palmerston) last night stated the whole of the information regarding the proclamation contained in the private letters which I had received. I am not in possession of any remonstrance from Sir J. tram.On Mr. SPOONER—The right hon. gentleman has not answered one important question. My hon. friend has asked whether the right hon. gentleman was in pos. ses,ion of the fact that remonstrances had been ad dressed by the Chief Commissioner to the Governor- Generel upon the sujec; uf tee pluelaeia.ier. relacere.) Mr. V. SMITH—I know nothing but from the lespatch of what may have passed between Sir J. Outram and the Governor-General. (Hear.) Mr. L. KING—I cannot but express my regret at the decision of the right hon. member for Oxford, and .an only express my hope that in the course of the debate is may see something which will altogether change his oi,inon, and 1-ad him to withdraw his motion. (Cheers.) Mr. KER SEYMER—I think tl e amendment of .he hon. member for Swansea is uncertain in its mean. ire.e. Ido not understand what he means by genera'ly approving of Lard Canning's colicy up to the time of 'be pre Lunation. I am one of those who are inclined to think that the proclamation has never been issued. I under-teed—it is true, on second-band authority—that Sir Archdale Wilson says that up to the time of his leasing India on the 18th April, no proclaim% i nhad ewer been issued, but that it had been sent to Sir Celin Campbe 1 and the other military chiefs. Well, sir, as Lerd Canning has shown hirnse,f willing to listen tai the a !vice of the miatiry chiefs, as he has wade other alter stions, he may have withdrawn it altogether. Lord H. VANE—I join in the general feeling, aid appeal to my right hon. friend to take into his conside ratori—(Milysterial cheer,,)—tu take into his serieu consideration whether, in the new circumstances, con aid-ring the opinions that have been expressed, and the oubt tbat bas been ju suggested by my hen. friend whether this proclamation has been issued at all, it would ere well to persevere in the motion. I should have ,ff ,rded my right hon. friend my supp art, but I d u chink he would ex , rcise a sound discretion were be to defer to that which, as far as I can ja ige, i s . .ee general opinion of the h ,use, that in the pr e _ sent circuria&tances he should wi hdra his in ,tau eh'c't eert iinly in its w r ling seems hardly applic ib to the present state ething-. ( qinister:al d ear-) Captain VIVIAN—We are here now not only to lm reach her Majesty's Government f,,r the deer) deli but we are here t, clear the character of the Givernor- General of India from the charges of unworthy caridurit made against him in that desp itch. (Hear, hear.) We Know quite well from the apptarance of the benches in both sides that there Las been what, in the phra , eo. logy of this hou,e, is called a very strong whip, and we know quite well, however much we may talk of di.cuss ing this matter apart from party feeling, that there is a very strong infu:ecn of party feeling in this ques.ion. It wou'd be ueyond doubt a party triumph to the opposite tide if my right hon. friend the member for Oxford were to withdraw hie resolution. M :re than that, it, would go out to India that an attempt to clear the character of Lord Canning in this house, by impeaching the miuist r who impea,hed his tharacfer, had failed on this side of he house. I say, therefore, that I trust the house wili feel that it should do justice to Lord Canning in his absence, and I trust that my right hon friend will take the sense of the house on this question. Mr. P. O'BRIEN —I think if the right hon. gentle man the metnuer f r Oxford int- nds to withdraw his 'notion, or if he is induced to withdraw it, I can only -tat-, intending as I du to vo'e in a ce,rtain menn-r on this occasion —(loud laughter)—that on the occaiien of he last debate on the subject of the annexation of Oa de there were many members who advocated a clement p who now lo ,k at it in a cliff rent point of I trust that the house will not allow the motion to be withdrawn. Mr. HORSNIAN—I do not rifle to take part in this discussion, but to express a doubt as to the regularity of our prooeeeinge. As I understand the motion b.fere. the house is to adjourn to Friday next, and one of the orders of the clay is the motion of my right hoe. friend the member for Oefor 1. New on the wo ion for a'- j ambient it apeears that we are discussing one of the riers of the day. I put it to you, Sir, whether that is not irregular Mr. WHITE—As I am not in the ca'egory of those geutleman who if a division is forced will divide against the right honourable gentl mean the memher for Ox ford, I may perhaps renew the appeal to him to with draw his motien. I cannot be surprised that my hon. ft lend who preceded me, with that. traditional love of his nation far a fi g ht, should be reluctant to have the ineton withdrawn, but a large number of those geothinen who w 11 be compelled by previous promises to vote for the resolution will not be reluctant. (Loud Ministerial cheers.) I ray this in a sp7rit of frankness which I am sure the house will appreciate. (C'acers.) I cannot but believe tbat the avowal that so many of his friends will oe placed in such an unenviable position, and that there is a larger number who will feel that they will b s e e p pa le r c a e t d e in such unpl e asant circumstances that they will on that ocea.lon from many with whom thee have long acted, and with whom they will be too glad to act again, will influence the right hon. gentleman. Arid I may also add the large and overpowering con iteration to many of us of the bad Effct of a dis , o'ution. (Lou ; cries of " hear, hear," and laughter.) I eball ect shrink from saying thus much, though I know that I am speak ing in the presence of large-acred squires and of persons who respect the majesty of the Twee per Cents. ; but I am also al4ressing a large number of persons who well know that in every commercial centre of this country a dissolution at this time, when the conemereial world is recovering from the late collapse which bas been so dis aetrotts, would be looked upon as a national calamity. Having said thus much, I must renew my appeal on pri vate grounds to the right hon gentleman to withdraw the motion. _ _ Mr. JACKSON—An hon. member has said that if the right hon. gentleman withdrew Its motion he wouti be twitted by members on the other side of the house, This is not a question of twitting—it is a question of the happiness ef 150 millions of God's creatures ; and I d say that, after the ieformation we have received this morning, and iu the absence of. all certainty of Lord Canning having issued the proclamation, th . s question is not ripe for judgment. I have made up my mind, and will adhere to the resolution ; but I app at to the right gectletnan not to press the motion, and I am sure I speak the Opinion of thousands of her Majesty's sub jects. (Loud cries for Cardwell.) Lord PALMERSTON—I have listened with great attention to this conversation. (Roars of laughter, the noble lord having at that moment entered the house from behind the Speaker's chair.) The motive which led my right hon. friend to make the motion which stands in the order of the day has, I think, been much misrepresented. It was conceived that a very preju dicial effect would be produced in India by the despatch of the home Government on the sut.ject of the procla mation ; and it was necessary —not only with that view but also to establish the opinion of Parliament on that despatch, but more especially with a view to our in ttrest in India—that the prejudicial effect should be counteracted by a reso!ution of the house to the efffct of that which my right hon. friend has moved. Well, tir, papers have been laid on the table this evening which have a very important bearing upon the tenor of the debate which has now lasted several days. Those who have spoken against the resolution have concurred in the opinion expressed in the despatch—that the policy which Loid Canning indicated in his proclama tion was a p o li cy o f sweep i ng an d genera l con fi scation affecti ng t h e whole of the people of Oude—that it was, in short, a po li cy of cruel severity, whereas the home l N en o cy ma a n nd w d h i o scrLtn s in r a e t a i d ng th m e e p r a cy pe o rs ug w h h t ic t. h Government an d t h ose who supported it, thought that a be e o l pursued.ipolicy o tem containin g an au th en ti c recor d an d have been received, exposition of the views with which Lord Canning intended to publish that proclamation —a proclama tion, by-the-bye, which we have no later informa tion has oven 3et been issued I say no man omit have read that exposit ion o f Lord Canning': yew without seeing that his int.,ntion was, in be fl,ir pace, that the procla ma ti on should il t l i e g i i . J e t: i o l r C . % " 4 : ni 3 4: was a - A thet tb as confined tt tbe tAlookdare— (no, no)—and that with regard to them his princifld was this, that, instead of saying, " I will punish the guilty by retrospective inquiry, and inflict punishment upon those who shall be proved to have been guilty," he took the other course and said, " I will not punish the past, I will only take a security for the future, and all those who give me that security by tendering their submission shall be restored to their rights." I admit, therefore, that those papers establish conclusively the fact that the policy of Lord Canning with regard to this proclamation was the policy which be pursued from the commencement, and which has been characterised, in the course of these debates, as the clemency of Lord Canning. Well, that being the case, it appeared to me that these papers going out to India will counteract the bad effect of the secret de spatch publi-led by the Government, and that being the case, and the conduct of the Governor-General hav ing been, I do not say sufficiently, vindicated by those who have taken part in the debate, which has now been carried on for several days, I would submit that if it is the wish .1 the house— (loud Ministerial cheere)--that no further proceedings should take place, I would recom mend to my right hon. friend to bow to the wishes and feelings of the house. I might undoubtedly, in accord ance with the sp:.rit with which the motion is made, put it to the Government whetner they would not be dis posed to view that letter in the same light in which it strikes me, and to sanction by their c .ncurrence Lord Canning's policy. lam not in a condition to ask any thing of them, but, staling the ground on which it ap pears to me that these papers gnirg out to India will materially and powerfully counteract the prejudicial effect of the secret despatch, I submit to my hon. friend that if it be the wish of the house that he should with draw the resolution, he might perhaps act more pro perly in withdrawing it. . _ Mr. CA.RDWELL—Sir, I conceive that I am in this position--(loud leughter)—that the motion is in your hands, and except with the general concurrence of the house I have not the power to withdraw it. I did not feel that it was open to me in an earlier part of the even ing to express my desire to withdraw the resolution, but after the numerous appeals that have been made to me, [ shall certainly desire to act in concurrence with the general feeling of the house, and if I understand that it is the geeeral feeling of the house that I should withdraw it, I will not stand in the way. Mr. GLA.DSTONE—My impression is that my right hon. friend has not misunderstood what he believes to be the prevailing sentiment of the house. There can be no doubt, whatever t'ie motive of this proceeding, that in every proceeding where the house is divided on mat ters of deep interest that much ef the bitterness of party strife mu•t mingle in the contest, and that if it did not appear in the beginning it must al map grow up during the course of the de-Atession. At the same time I think we are all deeply sensible that there is something involved in the discussion of this great Indian question far above party interests. (Cheers.) lam certain that there is no man who bears me, whatever result he may have aiitici peted to the motion of my right hog , . frl le!, an 1 I be lieve that result to have been very doubtful—there is no man who hears me who is net willing readily to surren der the paltry advantage that he might have gained f oin the issue of the coLfltct, for the sake of the happy reflec tion that even in the hour of excitement, so far from acting detrimentally to the public interest, we have stayed our hand, that we have retire I from the battl, field, and even at the ri•k of criticism on the pr ,ceed ings of the house, which we cannot escape from, we have d-clened to carry this matter to the issue. But, sir, concurring as I do in the sprit of the recommendations hat have been made, and regarding the decision to which my right hon. friend—if permitted by the house —is ready to come, as a decision eminently advantageous under the circumstances of the hour to the pu'rlic inte rests, I still would venture to say one word on the subject of the person to whom my noble friend the member for Tiverton has alluded, whose interest and feelings are hound up in our proceeding, and whose interest and feelings are, allow me to say, closely connected with public intreste. My noble friend has put a construe ti .n to which I am able to give, not an entire, but a Partial assent upon the papers that ate before us to-day. I ant convinced that Lord Canning did not intend, in issuing the proc'amation with regard to Oude, ia any point er in any degree to compromise those principles of equity and humanity by which, I beg leave to say, hi bas made a norm illustrious ia the history of the country. If Lord Cinning'm judgment has erred—a question on which it is not necessary for me to give an opinion, and I frankly own that now I do not think we are in a position to pass a judgment on the can ?tic'. of Lord Cal , i g inissuiug the proclamation — I am deeply convinced that he has erred simply through a misca'culetion as to the obj-ct he had in view, and as to the efficacy his means. And I concur with the noble 1 rd the member for Tivertoe, in the belief that it was the intention of Lord Canning to efiect no gene ral displacement of proprietary rights in Oule, but be reeor•ed to that proclamation as, what we thought, the hest means in his power under the circumstances of Oude for the purpose of settling all tne controversies that bad arisen in the province with regard to pro• pri , -tary rights sine the ann, xttion of it by the E .g lish. At the same time lamf ee t i ,ay that I think those who have bad, like my-elf, the honour and privilege of knowing L,rd Canning from his ho)hood, are ros only entitled but hound to put that conetruc ti3n on his intentions, and, for one, I have no choice but to put that construction. lam as much convince I of that both from general knowledge of him and Erwin all the i formation I have boon able to obtain, as if I had the statement from him at this moment With regard to Lord C inning, and with regard to the rolgment of the !wise at large, I have been one ( f those who, lamenting the original propos d of my right bon. friend, felt thankful to the hon. gentleman the member for S mansioa for the amendment wbich he submitted. Ido not think, convinced as I am of the motives and intenti )ne of Lord Canning, that it would be fair to ask the hsuee, or that it would he fair to ask of her Majesty's Government at this moment to put any particular interpretation even upon the papers that have been received te-day. It appears to me that the safest ground upon which we can take our stand is that up t this moment we do not absolutely know that the procla mation is a public document, and that although it is true that we are in possession of so much of his views and policy as Lord Canning thought fit to state in answer to the letter of Sir J. Outram, yet we are not at al! entitled to say that we are in possession of the wh. to case which Lord Canning may have thought fit to submit to her Majesty's Government at home. That being so, I hope e may have from her Majesty's Government a state ment that they do not recede from the intention they have expressed in this house to support the declaration of the hon. member for Swansea, which refers to the past ri id of Lord Can n i ng ' e governmen t, that they r c mmir in the sentiments expressed by the amendment, that they aee sati- fied with the judgment and firmness which be has shown in dif f icult circumstances, and that they approve generally of the policy which be has per sued. I confess it appears to me that to muclt we may reasonably ask, and I believe I a n right in saying that the bead of her ,Majesty's Government did specifically declare in another place sentiments with regard to the p licy and conduct of Lord Conning as Governor-General of India, which precisely correspond with all that the amendment of the hon. member for Swansea says with regard to L I Ceening'e proceedings up to the issuing ( f the Oude proclamation. Sir, I feel a deep interest in Lerd Canuittg, not only on public ground', but on the ground that the country has a deep interest in the character of its public men, and that int-rest becomes deeper when a person bas been chosen by the favour of his sovereign to discharge the high duties of Governor- General of India under circumstances of unparalleled difficulty. When the late Government made choice of L .rd Canning in cmcert with the Court of Directors, I c nifess it had appeared to me that they had made an admirable selection, dictated only by a motive of public duty, which was likely to result in great advantage to those over whom he was called to rule. I bad sufficient knowledge of Lord Canning to form a most favourable otinion of what he would.do in India, and, I am bound to say, although the trial to which he has been sub mitted has been severe beyond all precedent, that no one, I think, can look back upon the proceedings of last summer without feeling that we owe it to Lord Can ning that we have escaped—if indeed we have escaped —the charge of cruelty in India. And now I call upon the house to observe that there is no one who has stated more clearly and distinctly the mitigating peculiarity of the position of the landholders of Oude than Lord Can ning himself, both in his priestoe letter to the right hon. member for Northampton, and likeaiss in the public de spa no is tied by Mr. Edmoustone, to the Commission. r for Oude, and which has this morning been placed on the table. S:r, I thick it not too much to express the hope filet the house will generally cuncur in the pro prie y and wisdom of the course which my right hon. friend the member for Oxford is abrut to take, and while he is permitted by the general assent of the house to pursue that course, her Majesty's Government will upon the other hand not refuse, in the hour when pres sure is relieved, the pledge which they gave—and I trust honourably gave—in the hour when pressure was strong upo r them, but will declare in this house, as they have declared in the other, that the policy of Lord Can ning in the general conduct of the affairs of India, under circumstances of unparalleled difficulty, is deserving and has received titer approbation. (Cheers.) Lord HOTHAM—I am not going to give any opinion O wb xf e u t r li d erthe should right hon, houlten. gentlemaninotbetlie m permitted t m o e wi tie trid r ra fo w r his event m o of ti t o i n e ; hbouutseictismoanseuncthingasiol t c h o e nc w e i i t v h e dr t a hat wal i l n b sh t al e l be deprived of the opportunity of presenting a petition relating to the motion from a portion of my constituents residing in Beverley, which has been placed in my hand, I will now state tee purport of it. The petitioners state hat tt ey have seen with regret the proclamation of th- Gorey no.-General of India, o infiscating the whole of the landed property of Oude ; they state their belief that the ffect of that proclamation will be to exasperate the whole of the people of that country, and their prayer is that if tee house should come to a resolution condemna tory of the despatch of Lord Ellenborough, the constitu encies threu4hout the country may have an opportunity of pronouncing their opinion on the matter. (Rear.) Sir E. PERRY—An appeal has been made that some -xpreseion cf opinion shculd be made by the Gover— ment on the conduct of L )rd Gentling. I wish to point itit, as an act of justice, that the question which w have been debating for the last week has been whether Lord Canning intended to confiscate the lands of a province. We eitputed that in tLis house, because, from kno h ledge of Lord Canning's antecedents, we believed t was impossible to suppose be would do that. Now, ( see from the papers which n e have received this day, :hat the question which has arisen between Lord Canning arid Sir James Ou ram has not been a question of justice r injuelce, but simply a question of policy. These Japers di:a:lase the fact that (La-s had been lisposseeeed by Lord Dalhousie, ant that that dispos session had caused great turbulence, (iurmurs.) These papers show that all Lord Canning intended to do was I EVENING, MAY 22, 1858. to dispossess the military proprietors, and to allow the taloolcdars on submitting to re-enter their lands. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER—Sir, in exercising the privilege which every gentlemen in this house possesses, namely, to agree to or to refuse the per mission which the right hon. gentleman the member fur Oxford asks to withdraw his motion, 1 am obliged to consider the proposition in two lights. I must not merely consider those general interests which affect, naturally, the opinions of all, but I must remember, that, so far as regards myself and my right hon. friends on this bench, the motion of the right hon. gentleman had a peculiar character and object. (Hear.) That motion was brought forward avowedly by the right hon. gentleman as a censure upon the conduct of her Meje - ty's Government. The indictment only last night was elaborately amplified by the learned knight the member for Aylce bury, not merely with a vote or censure for some casual passage of our conduct, but undoubtedly one of general want of confidence in our policy and beha viour. And therefore, sir, when lam asked to agree to the withdrawal of the motion, I say, in the first place, that that is a proposition which I myself could under no circumstances originate ; and that when the right hon. gentleman asks me to assent to it, I beg to say it is not because we shrink from the consequences of the motion. (Loud Ministerial cheers.) We should have looked at that result without apprehension, and the consequences of that division we are even now ready to encou-ter. (Ministerial cheers.) But there are undoubtedly higher considerations than those with respect to the convenience of a Government. (Hear.) And I wish that those higher considerations bad throughout this debate in fluenced more of the views and arguments of our oppo nents. (Corset...) So far as this debate is concerned, even though its existence is brought t e an untimely close, I think no Ministry that ever was on its trial could look back to a discus o i of this importance with more satis faction. (Cheers.) For the opposition to the motion in the debate has not been sustained by members of the Administration—who I think have very wisely and pro perly withdrawn from it as much as possible—out by members opposed to us in many respects, and members inferior to none in this house for the power of their intel lect or the weight of their authority; and by the power of their arguments and the force of their eloquence the opinion of this house ha• been so much worked upon that we at last witnessed the strange result which we have seen to-night. (Laughter and cheers.) But, sir, if I am asked it I can consent to the withdrawal of this motion on other grounds than those which concern the convenience of a ministry, I am bound to say that I think there are grave and weighty reasons why we should take that course. (Cheers.) I confess I did look forward with some appre hension to what min ht be the con& qaences in India of a dividon—a near division—upon a theme of the imperial importance which this discussion has ra , surned- (Cheers.) If, indeed, it had been narrowed withinn the petty issue wbice we had at first relented to our notice—if it ceu:d have been stripped of those which are its necessary irici e• its, it might have been of light importance; but no sooner did it break the bonds which it was idly attempted to place upon it, no sooner was the question launcsel into the house, than with an in-tiact worthy of a great public assembly it felt the importance of tke appeal which was snide upon it. (Cheers ) The country has also felt the force of that appeal, and our debate have reached and agitated every nook in her Majesty's dominions. (Hear.) Wel, sir, if lam asked whether, without any considera:ion of pary, I think it is best for the interests of the country and for the emp re, for England and India, that no division should take place, I have a deep con viction that it would be for the pu dic welfare that this debate should terminate in the manner now proposed ; and therefore I do not feel authorised to resist the pro position which has been made by the right hon, gentle man the member for Oxford. (Cheers.) The house may perhaps, however, permit me to observe that with the exception of tbe mum( reble despatch which has been ct iiiresed so much ie the course of this discussion, •an which was intended for the eye of the Governor-General alone, the Government have in every opinion they have expressed given th- Governor-General their sincere and he arty and cordial support. (Hear.) It was our very first duty when we acceded to office, after dealing with the immediate peril connected with c ntinental politics, and the urgency of which could not be exaggerated—it was our first duty to consider what should be our course with respect to India, and what the character of the policy that we should recoincrAend. After great deliberation we arrived at a result which was embodied in a secret despatch to the Governor-General, which now lies upon the tattle of the house. I way ob serve that in teat despatch the Government of her Ma kes y gave to the GovernorGsnerel at that time the as surance of their most cordial support. I wish the house would look at the significant description of that despatch Its title at once explains the important character of its contents. It is a "Letter from the Secret Committee to the Governor-Ger eral relative to the Policy to be pur sued to wards the Natives of Provinces lately in a state of hostility." (lear.) Now, sir, there is not one word in that despatch, there is no stateineut which it contains, to which I hope the great majority of this house and the country are not prepared to give their adhesion. (Coeere) It contains to my mind a wise and great policy which is alone calculsted to rebul.l our Indian empire in a man ner satisfactory to tee people of this country. (Cheers.) But when we arrived at this result we believed that in Lord Canning we had a willeog and cordial agent ; and I believe that this despatch expresses the policy of Lord Canning. It concludes in these words :—" In carrying these views into execution you may meet with obstruc t'on from those who, maddened by the scenes they have witnessed, may desire to substitute their own policy for Mat of the Government ; but persevere firmly in doing wbat you may think right; wake those who would coun ' erect you feel that you are resolved to rule, and that you will be served by none who wi 1 net obey. Acting in this spirit, you may rely upon our unqualified sup• port." (Cheers.) Looking at this policy, arid remember ing tbe charact r and career of theCioverner-Ge. eral, no one could doubt the sincerity of our determination to support LerdCs,nning. (a a .) Af or what has occurred I will not touch upon the despatch of A e rie 19th, or the unfortunate circurnstar ces connected with it. After the turn which the debate has taken I feel that I should err aga net taste if I were to obtrude up n tbis house a vindication of my personal conduct. There is a mach greater matter at stake than the vindice tree of my conduct. I will only state to the house, if it wi.l permit me, that at the very beginning, when the question of our policy was introduced into the house by the bon. memne r for Devonport, I expressed, without hosita i.)n nr reluctance, the policy which the Govern mont intended to pursue before the despatch of the 24th March was laid upon the table. (hear.) That p dicy was, to quote the words of Sir J. Lawrence, a policy of "di' - or:in:Dating amnesty," respect for private property, reli gieus toleration, and a decent regard to rights and usages of the people. (Cheers.) When, there.` ire, I was asked whether I approved of the proclamation which sane ioned confiscation, I c dill give but one answer after the ex pression of opinion contained in the despatch of the 24th Nlerch. (Hear.) But now with respect to the conduct of Lord Canning, what is the best course to pursue under these circumstances ? As soon as these unfortunate or currencee took place, we communicated by telegraph with Lord Canning, and we assured him th ‘t in the di:- &mit position in which both he and the Government were placed he might rely upon our support. (Cheers.) We are now asked to agree to the withdrawal of this , motion, and I do not wish to make any personal difficulty about it. It is not, therefore, from any feeling of exulta tion or from any desire to triumph that I suggest to the right hon. gentleman that the most convenient course would be to negative his motion, because I don't other wise see how we can o insider the amendment which we are asked to adopt by the right hon. gentleman the mem ber for the University. (Caeers.) At the same time I have no objection to the withdrawal of the motion, be cause I have not the slightest doubt that we can commu nicate with the Governor-General lir a much more satie factory manner than by a vote of the House cf Commons, adopted without any very great consideration, and with reference to a motion which no longer exists. I think, therefore, the simplest course would be that this motion and all the adjuncts of it should be withdrawn. (Loud ch ors.) I beg the house to believe that in making this suggestion I have no ill-feeling towards the Governor- General. The Governor-General of India is a servant of the Queen ; we are also her Majesty's responsible ser vants, and it is of the utmost importance that we should cordially act together. (Cheers.) Wa never anticipated ha publication of this despatch which has produced all this dismission ; but permit me to say, that if the revela tions between her Majesty's Government and the Governor- General of India should be cordial they should also be sin cere. (Hear.) If the house supposes for a moment that I and those with whom I act are prepared in any way to re tract the opinions which we have expressed respecting that policy of confiscation which we believe Lord Canning under some evil influence has unhappily adopted--(no no) the house will indeed have misinterpreted all that I have said. (Hear.) I trust that Lord Canning will be distin guished by those sentiments which marked his career up to the time that these sad disturbances first broke out. (Cheers.) This is notethe time, nor an I in the mood to enter into any great controversy, but still I may perhaps here be allowed a few observations in self-defence and in vindication of those who are placed by their official posi tion in confidential communication with Lord Canning. I roust say I was surprised that the noble lord (Lord John Russell) should the other night have intimated to the house, as a matter of astonishment, that we, who sit on the Treasury bench, profess , d the policy of mercy. The noble lord expressed surprise at finding us criticising Lord Canning, as if we were adopting a different policy from that which we had previou s ly proessed. But I should like to know what has been said or done by her Majesty's ser vants in this house which would justify, I will not say such an insinuation, but such a charge'? (Cheers.) When it was made I looked round with some amazement, for I remem bered that a year ago, when the news first came of this great disaster, I ventured to call the attention of the house to the great importance of considering the whole state of India. I told the house that what it looked upon as a mere fleeting military mutiny was probably the commencement of greet disasters, that might call upon them to exert their utmost energies. I said that this mutiny, if you called it so, might be put down, but it would require a great effort, even iu for Engl an d. I remar k e d th a t if, th rou gh supplying ii ( - 1 cieut means, y ou a ll owe d th e revo lt to enter upon . a third campaign. the consequences might be most perilous.l told you th while you diet not neglect your militarypye parations, y ou ou g ht no t to overlook the social condition of India, for unless we discovered the causes of this dis order and applied an adequate remedy we should be landed in dangers and difficulties which the most sagacious would' be unable at the moment to perceive. (Cheers.) But was the policy I then recommended a ruthless one ? Did I not rather entreat and implore the house t o res p ect the reli gion of the natives, and not to disturb the tenure of the land ? (Cheers.) Did I not press it to consider and accu rately ascertain the considerable causes of this disord er , and not to be led away by the belief that it was only a transient calamity ? But the house was then in a mood for nothing but violent :sefir , n, therieh nothing is more -ncril violent :Action which is founded upon ignorance. (Hear, hear.) But what have I and my colleagues done since to give the noble lord the idea that we were ever op ponents of Lord Canning's benevolent policy? (Hear.) • It is true that when the vote of thanks was proposed to Lord Canning we agreed to it only on certain conditions ; but the conduct of Lord Canning was impugned on other grounds than his humanity. He was charged with having interfered with the liberty of the press, and with other circumstances that we consider ought to be inquired into, but 1 must protest against the idea that her Majesty's Go vernment ever professed a different policy from that they would now pursue, namely, a policy of discriminating am nesty. (Hear, hear.) If, instead of that, you substitute a policy of confiscatioh, it will lead to a military occupation to increased taxation, and to a weakening of the resources of the country. (Cheers.) By adopting the contrary course, by a wise toleration, and by respecting the tenure of the land, your power in India may yet again be built up, supported as it is by the most valiant soldiers that ever flourished in a country, and I shall be proud and gra tified if it shall be recorded in the page of our history that the Governor-General by his wisdoua, contributed to that noble conclusion. (Loud cheers.) Lord J. RUSSELL.—As the right hon. gentleman has twice alluded to me in the course of his address, I am sure the house will allow me to make a few observations in re ply. In the first place, with regard to what he stated last year, the right hon. gentleman made a most able speech, reviewing the whole course of our Indian policy, with re gard to some portions of which he recommended a course which I need not now recall to the recollection of the house. What I said was, that at the commencement of a mutiny the proper step for the house to take was to assure her Majesty that it would support her "in any efforts that might be necessary for the suppression of disturbances, and in any measures that might be required for the perma nent establishment of tranquillity and contentment in that important portion of her Majesty's dominions." Those were the closing words of an amendment which I moved ; for I thought, and I still think, that that was not the mo ment to inaugurate a new policy, but that it was the mo ment to put down the insurrection. (Hear, hear.) With respect to the vote of thanks, when the vote . was moved, the right hon. gentleman and several other members who were of his opinion demurred to it on the ground that the policy of Lord Canning was vacillating. Sir, it appeared , 1 to me that Lord Canning was justified in those acts of cle mency for which he bad been visited with so much ani ma iversion ; and, though I will not say that the right hon. gentleman attacked him for his clemency, still he refused him that support which he then so much required. (Hear.) With regd.," to the correspondence which has just been placed in our hands, I own that it appears to me to show the difficulties in which the Governor-General is placed in a stronger light than I had ever supposed. (Cheer..) It is evident that on the one side there is Sir Jas. Outram, who says that unless the landowners are restored to their ancient possessions, you will have a guerilla war in Gude that will cost thousands of European lives, and he states that such a war in such a climate ought not to be incurred. (Loud cheers.) No doubt the authority of Sir James Outram in support of that view is very great ; but, on the other side, Lord Canning puts this difficulty. He says that these per sons were in the possession of large territories and certain rights which have been established in Conde; and that they have joined in rebellion against us, under the influence of temptations which Lord Cannin:sallows to have been almost ir rosistable. Still it seems to Lord Canning to be a very serious example to put before the people of India, that those who have taken up arms against the British authority shall be placed in a better position than they were in before. This consideration seems to have had a preponderating weight in the mind of Lord Canning; and it does appear to me to be one deserving of serious attention. For if you say to those persons who have rebelled that they shall be treated with even greater favour than those who have not, that appears to roe to be like holding out a premium to re bellion throughout India. Well, that is the opinion of Lord Canning on the one side and of Sir J. Outrun on the other, and I muss say I am very glad to be relieved from the necessity of having to give my opinion on the subject. (Hear.) I own that after all that has appeared, after the way in which members of this house have asked the right hon. gentleman to withdraw his motion, add especially after what the Chancellor of the Exchequer has said, I think we may rest satisfied as to the treatment which the Governor General will receive from the Executive Government. (Loud cheers.) I certainly could not leave this house with any satisfaction, setting aside all other considerations, if we had not heard from the right hon gentleman the man ner in which the Government are prepared to treat Lord Canning; but it is evident that he will be treated with that forbearance which I think is due from any Government of this country to ans. Minister who is placed in a situation of such unparalleled difficulty. (Cheers.) I therefore trust we shall have no further discussion, and that my right hon. friend the member for the city of Oxford will not insist upon the amendment as a substitute for the motion, but that the motion will be altogether withdrawn. I feel that the situation of the British army in India at the present moment is one that requires the highest civil ability as well as the highest military skill, and I trust that the Government will take every means to supply that want. (Cheers.) Mr. BRlGFlT—Although, after the animated debate for the last few nights, we seem to have arrived at a conclusion which will excite some amusement —(no, no)—perhaps ridi cule--(hear, hear)—l am unwilling to abstain from saying that the more members on both sides of the house look at the real position they are in and the course they are now permitted to take, the more they will be satisfied that this debate is going no further, and that they are not pushed into the necessity of giving a party vote, as they had last night reason to expect. (Hear, hear.) I believe that through out the country there has been a lively interest excited in this question. I believe the course we have taken will be ra tified by the solid judgment of the country, and that the house will stand batter in the consideration of its constitu encies than it would have done if the Government had sue ceeded by a small majority, or if it had been overthrown as the result of the right hon. gentleman's motion. (Cheers.) I wish to say to the noble lord and to the righthon. gentle men who sit on the ex-Treasury bench that I hopethisaffeir wilt not tie without instruction to them. (Cheers.) Don't lot them suppose—for if they do they will make as great a mistake as ever they did in their lives—don't let them sup pose that my right hon. friend the member for Ashton and myself have any personal hostility to any one upon that bench. (Loud cries of " Oh," and cheers.) I hope that our conduct in this house during the last fifteen years—(oh, oh) —has been sufficiently consistent and sufficiently intelligible both to the house and to the country, to save us from any imputations of that kind. (Cheers.) But when gentlemen on either side of the house are expected to act toirether ou groat public questions, and when great principles are to be advanced by the action of a united party, I think it is not becoming, and it cannot be advantageous that a small por tion of that party—a mere handful -some half dozen gentlemen perhaps, shall determine upon a course to be pursued, without consulting or ascertaining the feelings of the groat body of those by whom they hope to be sup ported. (Cheers.) There is nothiug more certain than this, that thSre axe more than a hundred gentlemen on this side of the house who would have voted for the motion of the right hon. gentleman the member for Oxford, would have voted for it with extreme reluctance —who have over and over again, many of thorn in my hearing, declared that the mot .• a was not a wise one--,hat the subject was too solemn to be treated in this manner, and that the conduct of those eminent members on this side the house who had proposed this motion was leading their party into a difficulty, and that it could have no favourable result upon the principles by which we understand that we are bound together. (Loud cheers.) lam not at all unwilling to act with the party on this side of the house, but I expected to be con sulted on questions of this kind. (Derisive cheers.) If I might give a little friendly advice to the hundred gentle men who have been reluctantly dragged into the proceed ings of the past week, I would venture to tell them, that if, when they disagree with those who affect to be their le tilers, they would not from day to day discuss the ques tion, change their minds, set up imaginary obstacles, and then run away from them ; adopting one course to-day and another to-morrow ; but if they would take the course their own sound judgment at once points out to them— or they rarely make a mistakeat first, or un , il a thousand ingenious artifices have been brought to bear upon them-- if, in short, they would take the course which a few mon do take, all these arts would cease to be practised upon them. (Cheers.) More than that, these gentlemen would no longer bring them into the dilemma they are in to night. (Cheers.) I hope that this occurrence may also afford some instruction to the house. For my own part, I never anticipated anything from the motion, but dis credit to parliament and peril to the great interests of Eng land connected with India. (Cheers.) I will now ask the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether it is his intention to propose tho adjournment of the house till Friday next, or till the Monday following ? (" Hear, hear," and cries of " Monday.") I have heard it said by gentlemen who go down into the country.that there always seems this objec tion till the course of adjourning till Friday, name y, that it brings them to town three days sooner than is necessary. and all for one night's sitting. (Hear, hear.) I don't wish to press that, but I think the adjourn ment till Monday is better. (Hear, hear.) Another ques tion I wish to ask is, whether it is the intention of the Government, immediately after the re-aseambling of the house, to proceed to the Indian resolutions ? Because un less the right hon. gentleman has changed his view with regard to the necessity of legislation I think the sooner we proceed with the resolutions the better. (Cheers.) I hope that a general feeling now prevails in this house that India sh La be the subject of no more party tricks. (Loud cheers ) I hope that after what we have heard from the Chancellor of the Exchequer as to the condition of things in India, and also what the noble lord (Lord J. Russell) has said with regard to the difficulties in which the Governor-Ge • neral is involved, and with regard to those perilous cir cumstances with which we are all partially, and, I am afraid, very partially acquainted—l hope we shall come to the consideraeim of those resolutions if we had all the most solemn individual interests in doing the best we can. (lo w h h i o s ev u e t r . (Gin.) m ay eer s hopeha ppen e t o h n a t t h e a v e T r r y e a m s u a n r y in h t a t house,wil will most to pass the best resolutions an d th e best bil l which devise. (Loud cheers the intelligence of the house can the die ' h the house had been dragged on the ques tioncussion into which He wished to pay the tribute of his admira tion Mr. NE WDEGATE said he regrettedfactious ) of India. r hear.) The feeling of the country was to the noble conduct of Lord . Ellenborough on this question. ( Hea , entirely in accordance with the spirit of his• despatch. When it was written Lord. Ellenborough was in ignorance of the information we now possessed, as to the non-publi cation of the proclamation ; and if he bad erred, he had erred in ignorance. (Hear, hear.) The house, by the course it had taken, bad paid a tribute to the wise policy of that despatch. He hoped the house would exercise great caution before they broke up the oxistiug form of govern ment for India. (Hear.) Mr. GLADSTONE—I wish to offer one word of explana tion. It is possible that it might be supposed—l am told that it was so supposed by some hon. members—:hat I intended to suggest to the house the expediency of affirm ing the amendment after the withdrawal of the motion. I had no such intention ; but only to appeal to the Govern• ment for an expression of opinion in approval of Lord Can ning's policy. (Hear, hear.) After a few words from Mr CRAWFORD, The SPEAKER said—Two questions wire addressed to me by the hon. member for Boornin and the hon. member for Stroud, in the early part of the evening, which, if riot now answered, is ow ng to no want of respect for those hon. members, but, because the occasion to which those questions referred has gone by. The question before the house is—" That this house at its rising do adjourn until"-- The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER—The pre sent state of public business renders it absolutely necessary that we should meet again on Friday ; therefore I am sorry that I cannot assent to the suggestion of the right h, n. member for Birmingham. (Hear, hear.) But the business is so very urgent that we propose to goon with supply both on Friday and Monday, and then to proceed with the In dian resolutions. (Hear, hear ) Mr. H. HERBERT said he hoped no Irish business would be called cu before Monday. Lord NAAS promised that an arrangement to that effect should be made. _ _ . The motion for the adjournment of the house until Fri day next was then agreed to. Mr. BENTINCK asked what business would be brought on on Friday ? The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER — Supp l y ROMAN CATHOLIC CHARITIES. Mr. MONSELL asked what course the Government meant to pursue with reference to the exemption of Row' s Catholic charities from the operation of the Charitabl e Trusts Bill ? Mr. ADDERLEY said the Government had not felt it necessary to propose a bill to continue the exemption of Roman Catholic charities from the Charitable Trusts Bill,rn the hope that, by further conference with Roman Catholic members, a bill might be prepared this session to deal per inanently with Roman Catholic charities. It appear" however, that at that late period of the session there appear" no hopes of any such bill being passed this year, though be hoped it would do so in the next seession. Therefore b b l Government had no objection to the introduction of a bib for the continuance of the exemption for one year longer. GOLD IN OREGON. In answer to Mr. CHRISTY, Lord STANLEY said that within the last two vaoll ti ? ° there had been a considerable quantity of gold discovere d i; the district lying between Frazer's and Thompson's Rive r in British Oregon. Two years ago there were some 41 0 ; voiles of gold in Vancouver's Island ; but there had b e 4 no recent information concerning those discoveries. The SPEAKER then proceeded to call over the order of the day, the first of which was— 1.11.0 GOVERNOR-GENERAL OF INDIA—ADJOUR NE D DEBATE. Mr. DILLWYN Jose, ant melted for leave to withdrsit his amendment. The SPEAKER put the question, it was agreed to, O ld the amendment was withdrawn. Mr. CARDWELL not being present,— • b e The SPEAKER put the question, "That the motio n also withdrawn." ; This was agreed to, amidst loud cheers from the In- ° terial benches, the few members left on the oppositieul giving no expression of feeling. And thus quietly e n " the most exciting debate of the present session. BILL' This OF EXECUTORS, km, BILoa This bill was read a second time. PRINCE EDWARD'S ISLAND LOAN MTh Oa the motion for the second readif , g of this bill, Mr. J. FITZGERALD said they had been taken by gy. prise in the discussion of this bill being now forced O b . them ; and as it contained several peculiar provision,' hoped the Government would not now pursue it. _4 Mr. WHITESIDE said he was not aware that. there any opposition to the principle of the bill, but he was g willing that the order should be postponed. (Hear.).„ l SALE AND TRANSFER OF LAND (IRELAL"" BILL. This bill was read a second time, and ordered to be CO witted. ECCLESIASTICAL CORPORATIONS LEASIN G BILL. This bill pmsed through committee. OXFORD AND CAMBRIDGE UNIVERSITIES, k c '' ESTATES BILL. it This bill passed through committee, a few verbal an:L merits being introduced into the bill on the motion of end W. HEATHCOTE. GOVERNMENT OF INIA. The committee on the Government of India Was P" not poned to Frinay the 4th of June. .MARRIAGE LAW AMENDMENT BILL. The committee on the Marriage Law Amendment was pooned t Wednesday the 2d of June. The P sp roscipti o on (Leland) Bill (No. 2) was read a oec °ll time and ordered to be committed. WAR DEPARTMENT. ,nek Mr. MACARTNEY moved for a return of the 01- 01 age, dates of appointment, and salaries of all pa/800, 11. 0, or military, new holding office in the War Depart's° of and of all persons removed from same since the let di t l l / 10 1 April, 1856, by reason of abolition of office or leng , ;0 0 service, with amount of compensation or superann u nti award : and, like return of all temporary or gust I A clerks in the sev e r a l b ran ch e s o f the War Depsr tu3- 0. and the amount of salaries or special allowances of s5 l Agreed to. •1, The house then adjou rne d a t e i g ht o'clock, to O ld next the 28th inst. Country Market•. LIVERPOOL, MAY 21. ter o At our corn market to-day there was a poor - 6 Wl t ).° ance of the trade, and very little business done. • 01 and flour difficult to move, and rather lower prices to on last Tuesday. Oats and oatmeal firm at late rate' , 0 , inferior kinds easier to buy. Beans declined Ed !fp but barley and peas were nominally unaltered. In.l corn—yellow and mixed, 34s to 34s 6d; white, 3 0 " 35s per qr. WAKEFIELD—MAY 21. f o r " • la The arrivals have been large. Wheat generally be o r about last week' 0 s prices, but millers restricted thei, r isti , chases. Beans were steady. Barley was without 0 Oats and shelling as before. AVERAGES FOR THE WEER ENDING MAY 17, 1853. Wheat 15.14 quarters, at 44s 10d Barley 7l ~ 36s llid Oats — ~ —s U 3 • t 1 • Beans 5O 42s 40 Peas — t t —3 Od EXETER—MIT 21. 41 54 a; CORM—Wheat, 5s 6,1 to 5s 9d; barley, oto , grinding do., Ok Od to Os Od. Oats, 2s 6d to Beans, Os Od to 0 Od. Peas, 00s Od to 008 Od. • to )9' FLOIIIS.—Fine, 318 Od to 328 0,1; seconds, 298 Od Od per sack. f' d° CATTLE. —There was a fair supply of bullock s ' 8, pet beef, from 98 Od to 103 Od per score • inferior, Is tg d tot ) ; score ; fat calves, 5d to sid per lb ; barrenners, ° B te ber t Od. per score ; cows and calves, 121. to 181. ~.. ; 4 ",, a 4j calves, Od to 7d per lb., rearin * ca lve s ---3 to - s , O sheep, ewes and lambs, 21. 5s to 21. 15 8 per couple,'af to 6,•jd ; wethers, 7d ---d ; lambs, 7.1 d to 0 per 11:0 , „ P large size, —s to —s ; second size, —s to —8 • 8 , 11 /::f to —s ; suckers, --s to --s. Rough fat, 4,1 4 Pork carcases from 7s 6d to 8s 6d per score. BRISTOL SUGAR—MAY 21. tal c / The recent arrivals not being yet ready for the IP ifee scarcely any business has been transacted here tbl'‘ on the spot, but three floating cargoes—viz., two °`bocli vannah and one of Brazil—have found buyers et 1:03 former prices. The refined market is very firre, large amount of business has again been transacted at late rates. Ram steady, but very little offering. COAL MARK] Prices of Coals per ton a .'t.—MIT 21. t the close of the market Wallsend • so. 0 0 . 6 16 corn Close ............. " 6 . 14 6 Benson.... ................ 6 Eden ..................... 0 4oeforth ................•• 'l6 , ..............•••1y 0 Men Ma ................ ; laswoll ..................... g Cowpcu Hartley •••• .... 1 6 g Lambton ••• •. 16 Keiper Grainge ......... g iouth Hetton .............. 15 p tussell's iletton ......... 0 0 &aloe .... itewnt's. ................. •/6 "6 leuLth Hall ......... . ..... 14 Hunwick ............ s. d. Bell's Primrose l2 3 Elcbside W. Hartley! 15 Lambert'sW. Hartley l5 9 Longridge's Wst Hartley 15 9 rantield Moor l2 ' Tantield Moor Butes 12 North Percy Hartley l4 Morpeth West Hartley 15 3 Wylam Wallsend, ke. Powell's Duffryn Steam 20 0 South Kelloe 16 Hartlepool lletton l6 South Hartlepool l5 9 Thorp l6 3 West Kelloo 15 I, Ships at market, 94; sold, 70. COURSE OF EXCHANGE.—YEsncriDA I * • a ' Amsterdam....... 11 15 Gibraltar •• •• "• 1 ,60 0, Ditto, three months .. 11 17% L eg h orn .. ••••.• •• 1 5 aotterdara •• •• •• •• •• •• 11 17% Genoa ......... ••••" " Antwerp •• •• •• •• •• •• .• 25 35 Mien •• •••••• .• •• •••• •••• Brussels .... • • .• 25 35 4 % Ramburgh ............ 13 7% Naples -.•......... Altcna • • Palermo .... ..... • ••• 25 10 Messina •••• 5 1 ;. Do. three months . 25 32 1 4 Lisbon .... .•• •• 5 17 Marseilles •• •• •••• •• 25 323 Oporto •••••• •• • ..... •• •••• Bourdeaux •• •• •• •• .. Rio Janeiro ..... • •-• Frankfort-on-Maine 118 3 6 Buenos Ayres......••ct Berlin •• •• .• ••••• •• •• •• • • New York,6o •;;; Vienna •• .... 10 30 Philadelphia •••••••••?•0 0 0 Trieste •• •• •• .• •• •• •• 10 33 ?AWES OF Stri•LION., ii Petersburg •. •• •• •• •• •• 35. Foreign Gold In Bars Az 0 0 Madrid .... 49 if, 'Portugal Gold Coin -• 0 0 0 Cadiz • ros •e •• •e •• •• •• 49% , IMexican Dollars .••• 0 0 0 Barcelona .......... „ New Dollars •••••• 0 0 Seville.. LOCAL SHARE MARKB". LIVERPOOL—MAY 21. tr STOCK EXCHANGE—The market to-day has Weil 41 11 i and prices remain nomi na lly the same. Birkenheld'a $Ol —Manchester, Sheffield, and Lincoln, 384 i—Lona°,l North Western, 93 i—Lancashire and Yorkshire, 9,6 9 --Midlands, 93 4—Eastern Counties, 12 i—Caledqvit, 42a- i—Blackburn, 94 10 --South Eastern, 21,"it;otsti, British, r.q- i—Dutch Rhenish, 4h d.—Great, of Canada, 19.1 194—York and North MillanaL 4 i 4,0 Cheater and Holyhead, 18 to 18i—Berwicks ' —East Lancashire, 90 to 94 —Graxd Trunk of ` 1 " - 12i to 12,1. M A-NCI - TESTER, MAY 21. 11 • : ,, h STOCK EXCHANGE.—The ma r k e t opened iv.-,Thrtino, moderate business, but pric es were firm. Leeder.:l,et'.l Pref. Qrs., 15i. all paid - --Eastern .Counties,_ l24 c lo 91i—Dovers, 20 L-16 Trunks, 12 5-16blidle0 4A. —Sheffields, 3 S — Londons , 94? Leeds BIRTHS. • 11 16. ABRAHAMS—On the 21st inst., at 13, Westbourn e " P" M. Abrahams, of a daughter. MURPHY—On the 20th inst., at 21, Sussex-8 ( 1" A park, the wifo of P. E. Murphy Esq., of a . 0 .. or Th Suarm—On the 20th inst., at 13, Leinster-terrac6' , IS ° park, the wife of Morton Shand, Esq., of a eon' t be TH tCKERAY—On the 18th inst., at Hunsdon Retort, of the Rev. R. W. Thackeray, of a daught r. MARRIAGES. gr . , vT aft ret t 4 HUDSON—EVERETT—On the 20th inst., at o-- --c -4 M. Hudson of Castleacre , to Jane Eliza, youngest ter of Ur. Robt. Everett, of Westaere, arY l r i: LANCE —BELINAYE —On the 20th inst., at St. - L./. Thomas Lance, Esq., to Eveline Anne, daugu"" Vicomte do la Belinaye. DEATHS, I" AESTIN —On the 20th inst., at Meadow House, so t, . 100 0 both, Sarah Shenstone, eldest daughter of Mr' blid' 52, Parliament-street, Westminster. t BRETON 011 the 2d inst , at 64, Lower Mount-stre'",irt,;c, or Emma, wife of George Webber Breton, of Spritig-PsuPe Longford, Esq., and daughter of the late Wil liata of Esq., of the noble family of Ormond. fa t °°l3 c CROSSE On the 3d April last, Harry LatyMer, l'" --li f Major J. G. Crosse, 85th RPgt„ icrif e . i ia• GRAVES—On the 21st inst., Susannah, the belovev-00 Mr. G. C. Graves, of 11, Rood-lane, city, and O f Lodge, Lower Tulse-hill, aged 43. , relic of of KEoou— the 13th inst. at Ki brkle, Ma - 51. u . e 'glit e " the latent eorge Runs Keogh, Esq , D.L., an --ti the late General Sir T. Moly.. eux, .E cl• ........„,,,./ ' ,,i6 4 i NNMAIM - - - - --- --- -' --- - - - - - Oulo Lorr,..):i : Printed and Published by 2.II:TRDO ":. 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