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IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS—(YEsTERDAY.) The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat at 5 o'clock. RELIGIOUS WORSHIP AMENDMENT ACT. Lord DUNGANNON presented a petition from St. Asaph against the Religious Worship Amendment Bill ; also a petition from the rural deanery of Ellesmere, in the diocese of.Litch6eld, to the same effect. Lord SHAFTESBURY presented a number of peti tions in faalor of the bill. THE PASSPORT SYSTEM. Lord STAN - HOPE, seeing the noble earl the ear toe tary of state for Foreign Affairs in his place , be gg ask what course would be pursued for the future with respect to giving passports to British subjects going to the Continent. 43e had been informed that the French Government had given notice to Her Majesty's Govern. meet that they would not, fo r the future, recognise Passports given to foreign subjects by the French con es's in this country. He thought that the present moment was a good opportunity of doing away with the ilaamaly altogether. The Earl of CLARENDON said only a few days ago, they had received an intimation from the French Government to put an end to the system of French con ' sully agents granting passports to British subjects. He entirely concurred with the object if it was intended to adhere to the passport system, as at present any person calling himself a British subject obtained a pass port without the slightest difficulty. By this means some of the most dangerous persons—persons to whom the French Government had the greatest objection — might travel through France as British subjects. We had never interfered heretofore with the sys tem of passports, because we attached no importance to them. Any person was free to leave or enter this country without being provided with such a document ; and he did not think there was any reason at the present moment to break through the rule. He had no doubt that the whole system would soon be abolished, as it was the in tention of the Government to invite other countries to abandon the passport system. (Hear, hear.) THE ENGLISH ENGINEERS AT NAPLES. Earl GREY presented a petition urging upon her Majesty's Government to interfere to procure the liberation of the two British subjects at present in confinement at Naples. The noble lord urged on the Government the necessity of attending to the prayer of the petition. The Earl of CLARENDON said the subject alluded to by the noble earl had excited great interest, and at the outset he begged to inform the:house that those two persons had not suffered any inconvenience from the interruption of our amicable relations with the Neapoli• tan Government. I. was but just to the Govern meat to say that no unnecessary harshness had been exercised towards those men ; on the contrary, ha believed that they bad been treated with much more consideration than they would hare been had they been natives. The noble lord then detailed the circumstances connected with the arrest of the men on board the steamer Ca;liari. Ile thought the government had no right to interfere so long as the Neapolitan Government pursued the regular course laid down by the law of the land. There was ne doubt the engineese had not been parties to the in surrectionary movement of the Sicilians who took pos session of the steamer in July last. He knew it had been paid her Majesty's Government ought to have taken more vigorous measures, but they had no right whatever to call upon the Neapolitan Government to depart from the ordinary course of law BANKRUPTCY LAW. Lord BROUGHAM. said he wished to lay on the table a bill to abolish intiprisonnoent fur debt, to extend the laws relating to bankrupts to the cases of non-traders, to give further remedies to creditor?, and to secure the punishment of fraudulent debtors. Lord CA.MPBELL was delighted to learn that his noble and learned friend proposed to abolish the absurd distinctions which bad so long existed between traders and non-traders. If an insolvent gave up all his property to his creditors, whether be were a trader or not, he ought to be released. He was glad, too, that his noble and learned friend proposed to deal with the case of fraudulent debtors. The fealties now afforded by law for fraudulent trading were most demoralising to the commercial community. Lord BROUGHAM entirely agreed with his noble and learned friend that one of the greatest scandals of the law at present was the door which it opened for fraudulent trading. The amendment which he proposed would greatly lessen the facilities which were afforded for such trading. The bill was then laid on the table and read a first time. ADDRESS TO HER MAJESTY. A congratulatory address to her Majesty, on the occasion of the marriage of the Princess Royal, on the motion of Earl GRLNTILLE, seconded by the Earl of DNB); was agreed to unanimously. The Archbishop of CANTERBURY introduced a bill to legalise special services in the Church of England under special circumstances. Their lordships then adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS.—(Yx.sTERDAY.) The SPitainut took the chair at 4 o'clock. NEW MEABER. Mr. WARD HUNT took the oaths and his seat for North Northaroptonahir:, in the room of the late A. Stafford, E4q. LONDON CORPORATION. Mr. Sheriff LAWRENCE and Mr. Sheriff ALLEN appeared at the bar of the house, and presented a petition praying the house to allow the introduction of a bill prepared by the Lord Mayor, Aldermen, and Common Council of the City far the better regulation of the corporation of London. Leave was accordingly given. CHRISTIANITY IN INDIA. Several petitions were presented, praying for the in. trodnction of the bible into all the Government Schools in India. SUEZ CANAL. Mr. D. GRIFFITHS gave notice that on Friday fort night he should bring under the notice of the house the project for a ship canal across the Isthmus of Suez. CAVALRY REINFORCEMENTS FOR INDIA. Captain VEVIA.N gave notice that (ma ISlonday nex he should put a question to the tinder Secretary for War, relative to the dispatch of cavalry reinforcement 3 to India. THE OATHS BILL. Lord J. AUSSELL gave notice that on Tuesday next, on the motion of the hon. member for Finsbury relative to Baron Mithschild's taking the oaths, he should move for the previous question. (Hear.) CaURCB. RATES. Sir J. TRELLWNE It gave notice that he should take the earliest opportunity for introducing a bill for the abolition of church rates. THE EAST INN %. COMPANY. Mr. F. BAIIINU gave notice that on au early day he would pment a petition from the East India Com pany against any change in the constitution of the East India Company during the continuance of the present unhappy ciiiturbances in India, and until after full previous inquiry. (Hear, hear.) ARMY WARRANT OF 1851. General PEEL asked the Under Secretary fur War what steps were to be taken to remedy the evils whioh he admitted on the part of the military authorities had arises from the operation of the Warrant of 1854. Sir J. RA.MSDEN said the provisions of the warrant had been under the consideration of the military autho rities. bet as yet they had not been able to decide on any plan that would immediately conduce to the efficiency of the service, and operate mere favourably for the Officers themselves. THE ROYAL BRITISH BANK TRIAL. In answer to a question from Colonel STEWART, The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said he had never hesitated in his resolution to carry on the prosecution of the Royal British Bank directors in ,the most effective wanner. The only doubt he felt was whether he ought not to institute other prosecutions of a similar nature. (Hear, hear.) _ TRANSFER, &e,, OF LAND. Sir F. KELLY asked the Attorney-General whether it was the intention of her Majesty's Government to bring in any bill for the Registra.ion of Titles, and the facilitating the Transfer of Land ? . The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said he bad prepared a measure for the registration of titles, but from certain objections be would not be able to proceed with it fur the present. A measure for the transfer of land would shortly be introduced into the other house. WEIGHTS AND MEASURES (IRELAND), AND ~...r G RAND JURY LAWS (IRELAND). 24 • 11101dE asked the Secretary of State fur Ireland whether be meant to i so, how so on ,.f or the better a bill this session, and if e better regu l a ti on o f th e W e ights and Measur es of Ire la nd. introduc e a bill for the amendment Al so , w h e th er h e mean t t o amendment of the Grand Jury Laws of that country. Mr. H. HERBERT said h measure that w ou ld effect the fi r e : had given notice of a ' ; bill for the second i n a forward s ta te. question. He had a SERJEANT CAl' MT Colonel FRENCH asked tb:utju — Secretary for anyt he ILdianlter for War to War if it was the intention of advise her Majesty to confer Serjeant Caraugh, 4 the 834 b, for his vol Z u f t favour on lug through the rebel army, with import s •7 in p .. a ," - ut ir uorrnauion 1 from Lucknow to Sir Colin Campb e ll . S'r J. RAMSDEN said that the gallant colonel tinder a mistake as to the identity of the person referred was to. There wee no such person on the molde r roll of the 88th. A Mr. Caraugh, a civil servant, was the p erso n and the Governor-Generd of India had mentioned him in a general order. When the Government receive d information of his c ,nduct, it would meet with that attention tt deserved. ORDERS ot"rnE DA.Y. On the motion of Lord PALMERATON, the orders of the day were postponed, to take into eonlideration the vote of congratulation to the Queen nu the Princess Royal's marriage. PRINCESS ROYAL'S MARRIAGE. Viscount PA LM EnsTo's moved an addres 4 o f c) gratulation to her Majesty on the mazriage of the Prin cess Royal With Prince Frederick William of Pru He said it was no lees gratifying to him to do co than . he felt sure it would be acceptabla to the house. No event since the marriage of ber Majesty had so much enlisted the feeliov, and t'Llited so w uch isiterest amongst the whole of the British nation as the marriage of her Royal Highness, and there could be no stronger proof of the fact than the immense multitude 'who a few days ago assembled in the metropolis, in the inclemency of a winter day, with the snow falling and a biting wind, to bid a last farewell to her Royal Highness on her quitting her native shores for the citmtry of her adoptio. p ai dfter referring to the ataiablt; qualities of R.ll, he ba *‘4B Sc":of LONDON, SATURDAY TNENI NG, FEBRUARY 6, 1858. T l- • ---.la, l', _ - - -- 1131. I t ~.. ? eference to the strong expression of feeling which f suoh marriages were often the result of political was • i with him that allowance must be made for it in the sonetheot 1 ° ... been made in his own country, that we must feel enee, but in this case, he was happy to say, itw circumstance that had called it forth— that the people and was likely to secure domestic e the 'continent not knowing the ,nature of our illustrious personages, affection, after a lengthened acquaintance between . T• noble lord eon- o - , I Intend, naturally form expectations which those we, Wad applying to us the principles by which they Presented la eluded by moving tbat the who happiness. (Hear, hear. to her Majesty by the whole house,feeling hear.} The should be lord to the km satisfied that an sw the principles and working of our system of go that mode of presentation would be a 3 gratifying cment are aware cannot be carried out. The hon. it yen members of the house as, he was authorised to state, Which 'earned gentleman wishes to anticipate a discussion would be to her Majesty herself. (Cheers ) Hislordship which would more properly arise on Monday next., moved the address. when T. shall move to bring in tee bill of which I ha ve Mr. DISRAELI seconded the m otion . He re-echoed w . con- given r eluded by observing that he hoped when venice. I shall not allow my se lf t o b e l e d b y hi s what had been stated by Lord Palmerston,he d and ay cam e exampl 9 into a premature discussion of that measure, that her Royal Highness became o t f Prussia she but win ' n I p ro pose it I shall be prepared to state its would be as popular amongst her sub j ects (418e'i as her Ma- nature, . tad the reasons upon whi c h it i s f oun d. B u t I (Cheers.) must pro. Vat against the ground the hon. and learned jesty was amongst her English subjects. unanimously. gentleman Aas taken. The hon. and learned gentleman The motion was then put and carried house alludes to sz Y violent and intemperate speeches, and Oa the motion of Lord PALMERSTON, the . was adjourned though they n Light have been read in France, he would till to-morrow at 2 o'clock, to assemble Queen with urge that on t heir account the parliament of this coun then for the purpose of proceeding to the try ought to be prevented from taking any steps which the address. THE REFUGEE QUESTION. otherwise, upon .the merits of the case, parliament might think proper ter adopt. NV by, speaking of intemperate Mr. ROEBUCK rose to move the adjournment of the speedhes, I might well say to the boa. and learned gen house, in order that he might be able to ask the question tleneau, of which he had given notice. He said :—That question " Quis tuterie Gra.cches de seditious querentis ?" (Cheers.) If any m.en alive more than another is in the is to know' whether there has been any communication habit of using violent language against foreign countries between the two governments of England and of France , it is the hon. and learned gentleman, who indulges with respect to the alien laws of this country, or with occasionally in the most unbridled license against almost respect to any portion of our criminal code. The house, every government and aliseest every man alive. (Cheers, I believe, will understand the reason why I put this mat "oh, oh.") If there is anything is upon wh h we question. They must have heard that since the event pride ourselves in this coupt ry itour freedom ic of e sob, and that leads us sw irequently to pass over the which lam sure inspired every Englishman with feelings violent effusions of the hon. and learned gentleman— of regret and detestation—the recent attack upon the thus respecting the principle. which we may disapprove life of the Emperor of the French—there have appeared s of the manner in v't which he exe r cises it. (Hear.) I ray, in the pages of the M on it eur cer t a i n a dd resses t o the ' it would be most undignified in the people of this coun try...... nay, it would be most childish conduct in the people dresses, naturally enoug h, were expresse d i n terms of Emperor of France fro m th e F renc h arm y. Those ad of this oonntry — if, because of certain violent expressions, strong condemnation at th e attempted violence against certain intemperate addresses made against the people the Emperor's person, an d a l so great indignation g at the of England, they were to allow themselves to be swayed authors of the attempt so made. Now, sir, if these from the course they might otherwise think right to expressions had rested th ere , I should be the first to pursue in reference to their internal legislation. (Hear, hear.) We ought to make due allowance for the sympathise with and give my cordial concurrence to irritation which has been naturally excited in every sentiment they contained. But from the French France. I will suppose that there issued from army there came also accusations against England, as Paris on more than one occasion murderers attempting though England were a participant in that attack upon similar atrocities here to those which have been attempted the person of the Emperor of France. (Hear, hear) I in Paris ; would not the people of this country feel the will, with the permission of the house, state the iminedi greatest indignation, and would they not be likely, in ate object of my question. Hon. gentlemen are aware speaking of such attempts, to go beyond that precise that the Moniteur Is not an ordinary parser ; it is in fact accuracy of expression which nationsonght to be guided the Gazette of the French government. Everything it by in their transactions with other nations ? I trust, utters is under the immediate inspection of the French therefore, however we may disapprove of these violent government, and that goverement is the Emperor. expressions of feeling in Francs, that we shall make al (Hear, hear.) Therefore what appears in the pages of lowance for the circurestances under which they were the Menneur is the reflex of theopinions of the Bmperor made—that we shall consider what would have been our of France. Well, sir, in the pages of the elioniteur Linings in a similar case, and under similar circum there appear these attacks upon the E,-glish people, and stances—and that we shall not be led away by consider one colonel of a French regiment of the line—full, T ' ations of what may have been said by individuals in suppose, of military ardour, and that loyalty which France or elsewhere from that course which, upon the he bats no doubt exhibited to every ruling monarch ',urns of the question, we airy think fit to follow. that has appeared in France—asks the French Ens (Cis eer e) perer to be led against that haunt, that den, the repairs Mr, HORSMAN had listened to the speech of the of homicide, meaning England. Well, that language noble lard with great attention, and must say that he is published in the pages of the official Moniteur. It is published in fact by the French Emperor. That is regretted the manner in wh ch he had referred to his hon his opinion ; and I wish now to state my opinion. ( 1 and learned friend, and the manner in which he had an laugh from the front Ministerial benches, answered by swered Inn question. He (Mr. Herman) had intended loud cheers from other parts of the house—mere particu to talcs no part in the discussion, but he felt that they larly from the benches immediately behind Ministers.) The French Emperor is the person to direct against ou g ht not iu justice to allow such imputations to be cast England accusations of being the den of conspirators ; upon any member of the house as, upon a question in and who could speak with greater knowledge of the which they were all interested, had been most unfairly tact than himself ? (Cheers.) Has he not euj )yed the cast upon his hon. and learned friend. Hie hon. and protection and hospitality of England? (Mar, hear.) , learned friend did not complain that there were indivi- Has he not, too, while so enjoying that protection and duals in France who had insulted the national character hospitality, acted the part of a conspirator himself ? of England, but that persons near to the E.nperor, and (Loud cheers.) Did he not leave these shores armed who must have his confidence, were those who had con with the great name of his great predecessor—the name cocted this charge against the people of this country. of the great Napoleon—did he not, armed with that (Cheers.) These addresses of the French colonels had name, and with a tame eagle—(a laugh) —go to France been published in the Moniteuv, the Government paper, and there attack the throne of King Louis Philippe— and circulated under Government influence throughout and did he not murder thi man who in the performance France, to show to an excitable people what was the lan of his duty opposed him ? (Renewed cheering.) And guage the Emperor appeared to approve in regard to this is the man who chooses to publish in the pages of the attack which had been made upon him, and to show the Moniteur accusations against England for being the to the people of Europe what were the terms in which , haunt and the den of homicides, where conspiracies are th e y might suppose the demand had been made upon the hatched, and which ought, therefore, to suffer invasion. Government of England for future security against the (Hear.) But it is not confined to that—the brother of r epetition of the crime of which the French Government the Emperor of France (the Count de Morny) has chosen very properly complained. Tee whole grievance of his in the Legislative Chamber of the French nation, to hon. and learned friend was, that it was the government accuse England of being participant in this attempted of France—the authorities of France—which bad maee crime. And not only he, but the Count de Persigny, these charges; and on that ground it was that he at tubed the eanbaesador of France—in England, in the presence an importance to them which he would not bad they of Englishmen—has dared to make the same accusation; emanated from mere private individuals. And then, as to aye, sir, and in the presence of Englishmen he has not the manner in which his hon. and learned friend was in been answered—(hear, hear)—the only reason that I can the habit of deporting himself in that house. He had, conceive being, that the wow; who heard him did not like his noble friend, sat many years in that house with understand him. (Cheers, and a laugh.) But I cannot his hon. and learned friend, and so far from being cur believe that any Englishman could hear his country so prised at his expressing himself in strong language, he libelled, no matter by whom, without indignantly re- elicited be mach more surprised if, with his feelings, pelting the accusation. (Cheers.) Those persons who under the circumstances to which he had called attention, heard the Count de Persigny accuse England of being he had not done so. No doubt his hon. and learned participant in the criminal proceedings to which I have friepd had frequently expressed himself strongly, but it alluded ought thereon immediately, and on the instant, if had always been the expression of honest feeling and con they understood him, to have answered him. (Hear.) scientious conviction, independent of party ties and party Theydid not; but I will. (Hear.) I will say to him that obligations. His hon. and learned friend was in the habit no man more than I estimates highly the &Mates be- of castieg his censures broadcast through the house, but tween England and France ; but there is something I they had all become o 'evinced from long experience of estimate still more highly, and that is the honour and his integrity of purpose, and that while be was careless position of England. (Cheery.) And so believing and so of what enemies he made, no man in the House of Corn feeling, I would have told him that there was nothing mons was more flee from personal enemies than his hon. in the character of Englishmen that in any way soever and learned friend. (Cheers.) He felt, then, that his hon conduces to or lends a sanction to assassination ; there is an d harried friend Lad been somewhat severely dealt with nothing in the history of the country from the beginning by his noble friend. His hon. and learned friend had to the end that can justify such an accusation. (Sear.) e xpressed sentiments that evening which were his own, No English king has fallen by the hand of the as-assin, f o r which he was re Tensible, and he was not the men to though Kings of France have. Ws have condemned a shrink from the responsibility. But to say that his lan- King to the block, it is true, but it was in open day. guage was habitually so strong that he was an example of (Cheers.) Neither have we ever sent or hired anybod s y what ought to be avoided and was deserving of blame, to kill any other sovereign for our own national eat'. - he (Mr. iforsmen) could only repeat that, after a very faction—privately, I mean, and by assassination. (Hear.) long experience of his hon. and learned friend, he be. My answer to Count Persigny would have been that the lieved that his worst enemy could not pick a hole in the people of England are above assassination. When they whole of his political career, or cast a stain upon that feel indignant they express it, and go to war, if neces parliamentary life which ha had sustained with so much sary, to vindicate their honour ; but they do not task to honour and integrity. (Cheers.) He understood hisnoble avenge themselves privately, or by secret expeditions in friend to say that there had been one despatch from the steamboats, or, by assassins, make private attacks upon Government of France upon the subject of his hon. any foreign government, o r any foreign sovereign. and learned friend's question, and that it would be pi o (Cheers.) They do not make conspiracies in London to &iced. (Hear.) He did not know whether any answer pull down a government iu Paris, Th e ir coarse is open had been sent to the despatch, but he presumed, before and honourable in dealing with their enemies as with they came to the discussion on Monday, that they would their friends. (Cheers.) When I came i n to the house have all the papers on the sinned laid on the table. yesterday, 1 heard in my ear something like an inspi- (Hear.) It would also be desirable that they should have ration about a contemplated change in the Alien Act. the opinion of the law offices of the Crown—because if it It was said that at the solicitation of th e E m p eror of the should be found that these functioraries agreed in the French we were about to alter the Alien Act. I will say opinion expressed by veryhigh legal authorities elsewhere, nothing of the ingratitude of the man who now asks us it would be clearly manifest that the alteration of the law to alter a law by which he has profited so largely, But they were to be asked to sanction was unnecessary, and England owes her position amongst the nations of the that the existing law was sufficient for all purposes, This world in consequence in a great measure of the manner was a pclnt to which he attached great importance. But in which she has treated time people of all nations who be wooed not anticipate the discussion, but trusted they have sought the asylum of our shores. Napoleon, Met- would have all the information brought before there Wore ternich, the Bourbons, and Louis Philippe, have all they were called upon to deal with the question, so that sought and obtained a safe refuge here; but no man they might be enabled to judge bath as to the propriety ,niii, no man had a riht to say, that we should alter our of the demand made by the Frer;ch Government, and of laws because we gave them teat refuge ; and I say, if the e):xe2sion which it apparel the Government of iii. we change the law on this occasion we violate the first country were prepared to make. principles of our constitution, we degrade ourselves Mr ROEBUCK (who was met with a cry of f/Q ice. before the world, and are no longer the English people ' that our forefathers were. Well, I come to the house time) hoped the noble lord would consider the request h t with my ear lull of this inspiration. Wbat was my eur- was now about to make, that the despatch of the French prise to hear from the noble lord an announcement tiat Government should be laid upon the table, and also tee he would on Monday move for leave to introduce a bill answer of her Majesty's Government to it, as soon as fur altering ,the Alien Act in regard to conspiracies. possible, so that hon. members mi • ght have it in th e i r What suggested to the noble lord the necessity of such a • charge ? Was it that any person of authority—for ti e . I noble lord, with all his accomplishments, is not a lawyer —had told the noble lord that the law of England could h not reach conspiracies, or that the punishment which bands before they were called upon to enter on the d• on next Monday. (Hear, hear.) With ls. suasion the noble seed bad said fhi w s ed by him " like the idle wind "' regard to (M hi r c . h ßoebuck), it he regarded not. Pa s" He asked the noble lent to point w to the ameliorated law of England awards to such crimesexpression he had used that could bear out the description ally was insufficient ? Fur at least a quarter of a century we ft, the h noble lord had given of the language he was have been doing all we could to render the criminal law!bit of using. (Hear.) He might have uttered stroll the . of England less bloody than it had previously been. A opinions, but he defied the noble lord to show that g quarter of a century ago our criminal code . was the mosthe had used violent languaee—(cheers)—nor had he used such lan cruel in Europe, but from that time to this we have by guage on the present occasion. (Hear.) He would are; experience learned that a mild punishment certainly the noble lord and the house to recollectwhat administered is the most effectual preventive of crime. he had said. (Hear, hear.) He had said that England had Oar own domestic experience has taught us that. What , and that th • Itfrom her a insulted, e 'esti carne the Emperor of is now suggested by the uoblelord ? Teat we should re: race our steps—that whereas conspiracies have hiteerto Franc'. (Hear.) Was there any violent la nguage i n been visited by fine and imprisonment, we should a:tn. that ? (Cheers.) Teat was a strong state men t n doubt—but was not the evidence in suppo r t o f it tt g' and bring back the law to the old standard of cruelty else. ([Lear, hear.) Why, the people of En tand ir h ic a I lord is one of very significant importance. If England which we had abandoned. My question to the noble been threatened before—even in his time—not g that tee wishes to hold her place among the nations, if she wishes could recollect it, for he was a child when it occu rre d. , The still to maintain her own independent position, no r r of the French—the first great Naoleon—he man who bore the name now h e ld by th e - solicitations of an ally, no threatening of auyeoly, Emperor shore of the Cannel, threatened England, from ought to lead us to alter our laws. I have been told the Pu opposite that, as a tification for the i solence with which with invasion ; and though he disagreed in the policy jein adopted by our ancestors on the occasion, he could not England has been treated in this matter, the noble lord's but admire their towering thought, and the thoroughly speech at the Mansion-House in Nov. has been brought forward. God forbid that the peopleof England should courageous demonstration with which the menace of the great Napoleon, surrounded as he was by his legions, be made answerable for all the indisc r eticns o f the noble and fresh from the victories of Jena, Austerlitz, and lord. Ido not say, I do not believe, that the noble lord was imprudent on that oc c asi o n ; b ut admitting Vienna was met. (Hear.) He hurled d e fiance act him r _ we focieht hint and conquered hi m ; an d s h ou ld we, that he was, no man k nows better than the E.n p ero: who than bad treated wilt) contempt and defiance the of France how very litt le t he noble lord cxprs.esee the feeling of the people of En g land. (Chears and counter menaces of Napoleon lc Grand, qu til before. the threats /Napoleon le petite. (Cries of question, and immense of . cheers.) If there was on that occasion a little mena- e cheerise.) —a little vapourine on the p art of the noble lord, it can . LordPALMERSTON would lay the despatch from be said that the peoplel England as a nation, scat cely e % the French Government on the table to-morrow (this its to suffer for Cie bad tests of the Miuister, (Einar.) r k day.) No answer to it had been sent (Hear.) We bad publicly expressed ou r detestation of the attac Mr. ItOECUCK then withdrew his motion for the on the Emperor of France, and I want to know, there adjourament of the house, and the subject dropped, fore, what could have induced him to turn routi ,e d st u t i . Ta u t ANNUITY TO LA DY lIA.VE LOCK AND MAJOR the people of Euglend as he has done, and mare.. SIR 11. HAVELOCK. press, his own hostility which he has, through his own Minister, an d hi s own ambassador, shown towards this committee The hone having resolved itself into , country ? (Hear, hear.) Tee question I have put to . , l'ho CHANCELLOR, of the EXCHEQUER rose the noble lird is—has there bees any c)rreepondenee and said—lt will be in the recollection of the house that with the Court of France or the alinister of Frauce on iu our short ineetir , before Christmas a graciou3message the subject of an Alien Bill, or uPon the "i -c of an y was delivered to title house frees her Majesty, stating alteration of our criminal code 1 (Cheers.) her wish that, as a signal mark of her favour.hati been Lord P A. I 4 II ERSTON—I can have no difficulty in benowed upon Major-General Havelock, some provision answerin' bins by this house. That message g the queetion of the hon. and learned might be made fir g e mlentan. There has h ena 1 ire aei by having been taken into consideration by this house, it F a v iespatcli . i• 1 , i the French Minister of was agreed to o.aitt to Sir 11. havelock an annuity of 'reign Affairs to NI. P 'r , i4rlY, the French ambassador d o LOOM a year, and a bill founded upon that re.o.ution here, bearing upon WWI subsequently intro Inc d. During the discussion , the late transaction - sat Peris, and urei a on him tie took place epee that bill and upon that rei.o.ution I necessity of applying to her M ' n' uP wb'eh ajesty's Goveinment to a strong feeling was expressed that addition should take such measures as the in end an her Maje sty's Go• fit in refereuce t circumstancey their wisdom ma think be made to the proposed grant ; ...,.. ~ Lo the ; not to dic t at e vernmeet undertook upon the reassembling of Yarlia.- any measured, but simply to put the case to he r , mast t) introduce a provision for extending the see uity Government to deal with as they - That is the nature of the des tb might think proper. son. Unhappily it has not been in the power of her dif f icult: , whatever in layi4 a ' and I can have no Majesty's . ot. before Peril & Gover-ment to redeem that pledge, for at the (Cheers.) Bet, sir, in replying to the hon. and learnednaent. very time that the dignity of a baronetcy was conferred gentleman, I feel bound, in -the first place, to repel t upon General Havelock, and that the annuity was voted charge which the hon. and learned gentleman has made by the ho he I •• to his exer. t • . use, had already fallen a victim . , against the Count de Pereigny. Count de Persigny i moma e in the service of his country. Tee honour con never accused the British nation of conspiring wita n e . rr t ed by the Crown and the bounty of this house Veld assassins —( hear, hear)—or with intention to give pro_ ter a:herefor e , take effect, and it became my duty yes tection to assassins. Ho stated . distinctly to her w i th ytt,t:Mveth.) discharge of the order for proceeding Majesty's Government —Count Persigny stated to me . the subject which_ h had been introduced with respect to T Government ho , waver, being desirous of carrying substantially into effect the recommendation of tho Crown, and being also desirous of acting upon the understanding which had been come to with this house, has decided on proposing an annuity of 1,0001. a year to Lady Havelock. By a most gracious act of her Majesty Lady Havelock has been placed in precisely the same position as she would have. been if her husband had been alive when he was created a baronet, and we have thought that we should be giving effect to the wishes of this house by proposing a grant to her of 1,0001. a year. We propose also to grant an annuity of like amount to the present Sir H. Havelock. (Hear.) Now, Sir, I think that this house would not have objected to vote an annuity of 1,0001. a-year to the present Sir H. Havelock even if be were an undistinguished man, and had merely succeeded his father in the ordinary manner of hereditary honours, but I would call the attention of the committee to the fact that the present Sir H. Have• lock has proved himself worthy of the gallant and heroic deeds of his father, and leas himself, in the course of his military- profession, rendered distinguished services to his country ; and, looking to his own merits, I think that the house will feel themselves justified in conferring upon him a token of their approval. (Hear) I will state to the committee what has been the military career of Sir H. Havelock :—Brevet-Major Havelock entered the army (Queen's service) as ensign in 1846, became lieutenant the 23d of June, 1848, and captain on the 9th of October, 1857. The Commander-in-Chief had great pleasure in recommending him for his promotion to a company shortly after the action at Cawnpore, and recently for brevet rank of cosi ,r, no less as a reward for his own gallant and meritorious services than as a tribute to the memory of his gallant father, by who e side he fought in those numerous engagements which rapidly followed each other in brilliant succession and terminated in the relief of Lucknow. Alajor Havelock was deco rated with the Victoria Cross for his cool bravery at Cawnpore. It was on that occasion that Mej )r Stirling, a gallant and distinguished officer, fell at the head of the 64th Regiment. Major Havelock's horse was shot under him at Busserut Gunge on the 29th of July ; he was severely wounded in the right arm by a musket shot at Lueknew, and been repeatedly mentioned in despatches. I will trouble the committee with an extract from a telegram from the late Major-General Havelock to the Commander-in-Chief, dated Cawnpore, Aug. 13, 1857, and which appeared in the London Gazette of January the 15th— of the personal merits of the present Sir A. Havelock it would no doubt be the desire of the kouse that it should be carried out. But he thought it necessary to add that the present Sir H. Havelock was not an inefficient, inactive re cipient of this reward, but by his vigour and consummate courage had carrie I for himself an honourable position in the army. He did not mean to say that there were no other officers as brave and distinguished, bat that Major Havelock was distinguished for his personal merits. These were the grounds of his observations, which he (lid not think were irrelevant to the question. (Hear, hear.) Mr. INGRAM said that every ono must agree that this pension was rightly given, but he thought it ought to be charged on the revenues of India. There were two parties to these pensions, those who received and those who paid them. He thought that the people who had stirred up the insurrection ought to feel its effects and to pay fur it. The pension of Lord Dalhousie was charged on the revenues of India, and why should not this be paid from the same source ? At the same time ho was far from saying that Major Havelock did not richly deserve it. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that it was always the case that officers in the Queen's service should have their pensions charged on the consolidated funds. It was so in the case of Lord Gough, Lord Har ding,e, and others. With regard to officers in the service of tho East India Company, the custom was to grant pen sions charged on the revenues of India-; and in the case of Gen. Wilson, who had received the same pension as Gon. Havelock, it was charged on the revenues of the East India Company. Mr. GRIFFITH said ho had no fault to find with the Government for the proposition they had made, for no ono sympathised more in the pliant deeds of that great man than he did ; but it did happen last session that the forms of the house precluded discussion on the subject. The resolution was then agreed to, and the house re sumed. MEDICAL CHARITIES (IRELAND) BILL. Mr. H. HERBERT said that he had introduced this bill in the early part of the session, but as he had received many suggestions on the subject, he thought it better to with draw the bill and introduce another. He, therefore, moved that the order for the second reading be discharged. EAST INDIA LOAN. Mr. V. SMITH, who was indistinctly heard, rose to move for leave to bring in a bill " for enabling the East India Company to raise money in the United Kingdom for the service of the Government of India." He said that the bill which he rose for the purpose of asking leave to introduce had been rendered necessary by tke emergencies which had arisen 'out of the state of affairs of India, and it would probably surprise no one, that in consequence of the confusion which existed there, the East India Company should come to Parliament for power to borrow money. The bill was strictly limited to the necessities of the present purpose only, and extended theposvere of borrowing which he should propose over this session and that of 1859. The house might not perhaps be aware how the borrowing powers of the East India Company stood; and they were rather singular. In India the directors had unlimited powers of borrowing, subject to the approval of the Board of Control, but in Etelland the Board of Directors could only exercise borrowing powers under certain acts of Parlia ment, the first of which was passed in the reign of William 111, Their powers of borrowing in England were limited by these acts to seven millions • they had exhausted these powers to the extent of four millions, and when the mutiuy broke out powers to borrow three millions only remained. The ordinary course of Indian finance had been inter rupted by that event, but the way of it was this. The Government in India supplied all that was necessary for expenses there, and the Home Government gave notice at the commencement of every year what amount of money was to be remitted from India, which was either received in money, or bills were drawn on In lie. The mode of re gulating the supply of bills was, that when' they wero superabundant they were checked by lowering the rate ( f exchange, and when they were insufficient the supply was stimulated by raising the rate of exchange. That was the manner in which money was received from India, and it continued until the recent calamities occurred. Theo oc currences had naturally limited the supply in India, and the Government there had given notic e th a t f our millions extra would be required, and that only two millions was available to meet bills. In the present state of affairs the East India Company had to see how they could make all their resources available. In the autumn the Government in India gave notice that no more bills must be drawn on India, and that besides they should require a supply of bullion. The directors replied that no more bills would he drawn ; they also transmitted a million of bullion, and nconsequence i n i n I n w el h i wrote r theote back Five t o per cen that t . they maid they would g i ve th e G overnmen t i n I n di a a fur ther supply of a croro or a crore an d a h a lf o f rupees if ne i° s s a rThe of Governmentthe way Loan had been raised they would not require a further supply of bullion. The difficulty in which the Board of Directors foun 1 themselves was this. Their expenses were very great • they had to pay f or th e transmis sion of all the eroops which were sent out to India, and they had been sent out in unusual numbers. It, was only by means of their revenue at home that they neat this difficulty. The condition of these revenues was as fol lows (as we understood) :—About one million on cash ac counts, about 1.3 million in securities, 1 million in the 3 per Cele s., and 1,800,00) in Exchequer Bills. All these resources had been called in existence, and were nearly ex hausted. He would here make a short statement of the receipts and expenses of the year 1853, and of the estimate of receipts end expenses for 1859. The right hon. gentle man then, in a low tone of voice, read a statement of the different items of receipt and disbursement, of which it was impossible to catch accurately a single item. The re sult was that a sum el" about 9,500,0001. would be required fur the service of the two years. It was in order to provide for the raising of this suns that he now asked for powers to the East India Company to borrow a sufficient amount to cover it. The exact amount that would be required would be about 8 millions, but as the Indian Government would probably require bullion to the extent of a million, he pro posed to give powersto borrow 10 millions. The only other alteration in the law was, that proposals for the loan might be received in England. Ho did not suppose that any ob jection could be made to this proposition, for the house had always shown a desire, since the disturbances in India, to provide all means of meeting the emergency. Ho believed this was the easiest means of providing for the emergency, and in consultation with the Chancellor of the Exchequer, and the best financial authorities, it had been thought the best mode of raising the money would be by debentures rather than bondsnle proposed that the security should be debentures. A 3 there would be so small a balance in hand in April, it was desirable that this bill should ;sue as speedily as possible, and he was sure the'house would have no objection to expediting its progress, and any information that was required ho should be happy to afford either in private or in the house. The necessity for such a proposi tion had been foreseen and came as no surprise on the money market. The only reason why this bill was not introduced in the short session before Christmas was, that as parliament had met only for a par ticular purpose, no measures net applicable to that purpose should be brought forward, while there would be sufficient time before April, 1858, for its consideration. Mr. T. BARING said that heagreed with the right hon. gentleman that there could be no doubt of the readiness of the house to afford all means of meeting the present emergency in India, aed even to support, by grants of money, the preservation of our dominioa in that country. But he must express his astonishment at the mode which the Government had adopted to raise this loan. lie should rather have anticipated that the right hon. gentleman would have prefaced his observations by a declaration that her Majesty's Government had abandoned all idea of le gislating for India. As the right hon. gentleman had said that the bill would give borrowing powers to the East India Company for two sessions, he ought to have added that it was not proposed to interfere with the government of India for two years. To whom was this borrowing power to be granted, and on whom would the responsibility devolve ? The noble 1 net at the head of the Government had given such distinct notice that it was notorious that it was intended to place India directly under the Govern ment at home. What government was to borrow the icons,)'? The sight lion. gcntl ‘fiasa did is - A Pay that the money was immediately wanted, nor in what manner it was to be expended. But he gathered from the statement of the right hon. gentleman that only a very small portion of the 10,00),000I. was waisted for repayment of inetnediete expenses or ad sauces, and that the rest was to be borrowed successively at different periods as it might be required, between the present time and the middle of next year. Was the East India Company to exist till the middle of next year as the governing power of India? If not, why was the company to have the power to borrow and the control over the money. He had always imagined that the first condition of assent to a loan was that it was re quired for immediate and necessary purposes, and next that it should be known by whom the money was bor rowed, and by whom it was to be spent; anti then that it should be borrowed on the cheapest and most favourite terms. Now all these conditions the hon. gen tleman had failed to satisfy most mischievously and un constitulionally. He asked again who was to have the power of borrowing the money ? According to public re port the East India Company was in ex tremis. Thu house ought not to give a dying body the power of borrowing money, or disposing of money, or to confer such a power on some body that was likely to follow. (Hear, hear.) The money was to be borrowed in the course of a year aml a half, when, according to the declaration of the Govern ment, there was to be no East India Compaly, and the future Government was unknown. He did not ask the sight hon, gentleman to reveal the whole of the Govern ment plan, which might not yet be matured, but he asked him to lift up the corner of the veil, and to show some por tion of the marvellous wisdom of the Treasury Bench, so far as to chow who was to have the management of the loan. If the management was to be in the hands of the Chancellor of the Exchequer, he should have perfect con fide's:se in his character and integrity ; but it would be most impossible for him to watch the disposal of the money. It must go through some ether channel, and if the power should be delegate.l to an agent, the money and the paymaster-general might be cut away. (Hoar, hoar, and a laugh.) Before granting the power now asked for, the house, ought to know by what Government the money was to be rsised by what Government it was to be spent, who va.s to be responsible, and whether or not it, was the intention of her Majesty's Government, in giving to the East India Company the power of bur rowing until the middle of next year, to continue their authority until that period. (Hear.) The best thing the Governrusir. could do in the present emergency would be to refrain from agi tating the public mind by legislation on Indian affairs. (Roar.) In saying this he expressed no opinion but his own, for he had n i communication with the East India Company on the subject, and wish,d to guard himself against being supposed to know whether they were in favour of the bits petal la in the general or n it. In taking charge of their sentiments of which ho concurred, he was not committiug himself to the support of any policy, and would not have undertaken the duty of presenting it except in the exorcise s.l erc i i io s i e of an independent jud t judgment. In the exorcise of 1 indeperalent judgment he was comm enting on the me .sute of finance now nailer consideration. The right hon. gentle man prop Aoki that the lean sh ould be raised in he could When a loan was f i lling up in India at 6 pe r cent. I understand the necessity of borrowing moneynof India we s to in this ceun- England. try. But he would ask, if the governme nt 1 . • f the Crown, why as lat, be the government o I was n ot hire the advantage of enjoying the credit of the country •F which it was a past. W 11:, re fuse the advantage of faaili power of money ? He tating in India the ofbeh°lerrn°t win„ to India with perfect tiered that money py. security, and that it could reimbursed by gradual a ?acute from the reven ues of In dia. Whether the money waelent directly, as had bee n the case with regard t other to) it woul d be a perf ectly saf e countries, by gu a nd a benefit to which Judi' ), was legitiasately entitled. operation for this cossstr, (u (Hens, hear.) Money had la,ero Demerara, and other colonies, i ' as gt anted to Canada , t to those colonies, but with secu rityonly with great advantagen 1 had become a bond of mutual to this country, - 11, lid the • t o el coeu rye ti nt in terest betweto the c 0 1 01 . 1 16, this was refused to In I t a when this coun t ry was about to take the auveriv ue nt of India into its own hands. The Government ai were chary of guarantees. But did they y not gum:Antes a loan to Turkey to put the finances of th a t country in order ? Were the fi nances of India of l ess iin -1 so as to .n eueo the Oros ernment to He s it a t e t h e granting of is l ea n to In-lit Why refuse to Inqia tip " In the combat at Cawnpore, Lieutenant Havelock was my aide-de-camp. The 64th Regiment had been much under artillery fire, from which it had severely suffered. The whole of the infantry were lying down iu lins, when, per ceiving that the enemy had brought out the last reserved gun, a 24-pounder, and were rallying round it, I called up the regiment to rise up and advance. Without any other word from me Lieutenant Havelock placed himself on his horse, in front of the centre of the 64tb, opposite themuzzle of the gun. Major Stirling, commanding the regiment, was in front, dismounted, but the Lieutenant continued to move steadily on in front of the regiment at a foot pace on his horse. The gun discharged shot until the troops were w ithi n a short distance, when they fired grape. In went the corps, led by the Lieutenant, who still steered steadily on the gun's muzzle until it was mastered by a rush of the 64th." In that most gallant charge the commanding of f icer un fortunately lost his life, but Major Havelock happily survived the daring attack. I will not trespass longer on the attention of the committee further than to express the hope that the resolution which I shall now place in your hand:, sir, will ba unanimously agreed to. (Cheers.) The right bor. geutleinan concluded by moving the fol lowing resolution, viz.:— " That the annual sum of 1,000/. be granted to her Ma jesty out of the Consolidated Fund of Great Biitain and Ireland, the said annuity to commence from the Obis thy of February, 1858, awl to be settled in the most beneficial manner upon Lady Havelock, tho widow of the late Major-General Sir H. Havelock, of Lucknow, Knight Commander of the Most Honourable Order of the Bath, for the term of her natural life." " That the annual sum of 1,0001. be granted to her Ma jesty out of the Consolidated Fund of Great Britain and Iceland, the sail annuity to commence from the sth day of February, 1853, and to be settled in the most beneficial manner upon Sir Henry Marshain Havelock, Bart., eldest son of the late Major-General Henry Havelock, of Luck now, Knight Commander of the Most Honourable Order of the Ball, for the term of his natural life." S:r J. PAKINGTON thougLt the Chancellor of the Exchequer had correctly anticipated the feeling of the house when he anticipated its unanimous concurrence in this propoeitien. Amongst the events of the mutiny none had inspired more sincere or more universal regret than the death of the late Gen. Havelock. (Hear.) He believed that throughout the country a feeling of grati tude was entertained towards her Majesty for the honour she had conferred on Lady Havelock and her son, and it was the general impression both in and out of Parliament that her Majesty's Government were doing no mere than their duty in recommending the House of Commons to bestow these annuities on the widow and son of the late ga'lant general. (Hear.) He entirely agreed with the right hon. ntl Allan, and he believed the hoses would have concurred in this motion, even if Ma jor Havelock had Lem an ordinary individual ; but on the contrary, it was known that he was treading gal lantly in the steps of his father, and every one must hope that ha would continue his career of glory, and ling enjoy the reward given to him by his country. Mr. KINNAIRD bore his testimony to the feeling with which the country would view this reward to Major Have lock. Ho held in his hand an extract of a letter from Gen. Havelock, in which he expressed his anxiety that he had not been able to make adequate provision for his family— for after 42 years' service he had been only able to accumu late 4,000/. ' which, together with a small insurance on his life, was all he had to reave. He was sure that when this was known by the country, there would be a warm and universal recognition of the propriety of the course which had been pursued towards the family of Gee, Havelock. Mr. BYNG expressed his cordial approval of the resolu tion, and at the same time was anxious to express his ser row for the loss, and his admiration of the services of Gen. Havelock, whose character as a soldier, whetherfor bravery, energy, and strategetical skill, had never been surpassed. With the private life of Gen. Havelock it would be pre sumptuous in this house to deal; but it might be permitted him to say that he was the perfect type of a Christian hero, and though unhappily he had not lived to be aware of the recognition of his services by an admiring Sovereign and a grateful people, he had at least enjoyed the consciousness of his having done his duty, and that his last act was that of rescuing a heroic and enduring garrison from a fate at the contemplation of which every one must shudder. So long as the highest Christian virtues, bsilliaut courage, and the highest military capacity were esteemed, as they al ways were in England, the memory of General Havelock would be loved and admired. Mr. GRIFFITH was far from desiring to disturb the unanimity of the house with respect to this vote, and there could be no doubt the proposition of the G overnment wou ld be ratified by the feeling of the country. But he wished to point out how ' the proper functions of the house had been overlaid by the forms of proceeding in such niaVers. The bill was introduced yesterday, an l they were in com mittee, awl being a money bill no amen d ment could b e ma d e . Last year the proposition of the Government was not approved by the house, and yet th ere was nu opportu nity of ma ki n g any alteration iu it. There was a difficulty in the way of the house representing its own wishes ; and it was o nly from the accidental circumstance of the nted death of General Havelock that the house had had time to propose a-provision for his widow and son. If the bill had pass , _d last year this co u ld no t h ave occurred. It wasquestiem dclietlar there siould not be the practice t first wish and thought of General Havel oc k, an d mus t b e the first thought of every general on d angerous serv i ce, that some provision should be sec ure d t o hi s fam i ly. m b a a k d e d Mr. W. 'WILLIAMS said th a t th ere was not a person in the house more r eady than he to grant p u bli c money f or provision istg Li isheee(l themselves i n serv i ce. It was the - the wid ows o f generals and officers " o, ho eminent services done to the country, and no services could h ave been greater than those performed by the late Gen. Havelock. He rose, not to oppose the motion, for he thought that Lady Havelock was eminently entitled to a pension, but to call attention to the greatly increased re ward as compared with that of last year. Then it was pro posed to give an annuity to Gen. Havelock for his life; and it was the wish of the house that it should be extended to his son for life; and there was no opposition to that. If the proposition had been to grant Gen. Havelock 2,0001. a year, ho (Ur. Williams) would have male no objection, for he thought it was the highest policy to reward eminent public services such as those of Gen. Havelock. But the ground laid by the Chancellor of the Exchequer for grant ing 1,000/. a year to Major Havelock wholly failed. The right honourable gentleman might have pointed out a thousand officers as much entitled to a similar reward on personal grounds as Major Havelock. What must be the feelings of distinguished officers of higher rank than Major Havelock who had received no pecuniary reward, and one or two of whom had received but a slender ac knowledg•uent of their services from her Majesty? In particular he thought that Col. Grsathed was entitled to a higher re waril than he hat received. The sight hon. gen tleman had spoken of the ciurap of Major Havelock. Why, there was not a man in that army, officer or soldier, who had not displayed as much courage as he. This was a motion for an additional 1,0001. a-year beyond what was originolly!propose t. (Divide.) Mr. NEWDEGATE wished to enter his strong protest against the doctrine of the hon. member for Lembeth, and on the part of his constituents he felt deeply grateful to the Government fur leaving made this provision for Major Havelock. The statement of the hon. member for Perth that the provision Gen. Havelock had been able to make for his family was so inadequate, was sufficient to justify this vote to the mitol and feelings of every member of this house. But he held that it welt the greatest wisdom in ceses of the devotion of men's lives to the service of their country like that of Gen Havelock, that their families should be provided for after their death. He did not think it desirable that our officers should be encumbered with wealth, but it had been long felt that it was a wise princi ple that th e country should provide for the families of those who had done groat services and risked their lives for their country, and so relieve the iniude of each men fr nn their chief anxiety. If Gen. Havelock had been rroservel, or could have known what his country was doing for his family, such a course would have Leen more congenial to his feelings than any personal reward. The CHANCELLOR of the EX , JfIEQUER Fah' he thought it right to remove a misapprehension under which the noble inotnl.nr fur Deviz33 laboured, when Le thought that the Government had acted pre.cii ly, and that the house was uuw in committee ou a bill for granting an an nuity t.) Lady liovilick aid Major Havelock. rtfe truth wos that the house •.vas in the hest stage of such a bill, v i z., a resolution ou w hi c h a bi ll was t o be founded. Tdereforo if the hoe. member wished to make any retnafks on this subject ho would have ample opportunity in the future stalcs of the bid'. He' wished also to remove a strange this understanding, by the hon, member for Lambeth, of the rewerks he had made. The hon. member understood that he l.,id the ground of the resolution solely on the personal merits of 'Major Havelock, and irrespixtive of the services of his lamented father, when as ho thought tied, he had distinctly stated that he believed that the house would have grants 1 this annuity to the sou of General Havelock, wholly irrespective of his persenel merits. The original Pr)Ple-itiou was for au anuuity to General Havelock only ; 44 , 1 it was the.expressed wish of the house that it should Le continued to his son ; that is, that it should be granted for two li vee. The G.,vernment acceded to the wish of the house, lent that was not the original proposition. Sine() that understandin g , had been come to, the lamented death of Gone; al Havelock had become known, awl the position of things had changed, and it was thought that the origi ' " t t r' C. len should not be carried into effect ; and it be came his (ChancelloF of the Exchequer's) duty to submit to the house a different resolution, caerying out the spirit o f the wishes of the house; and he bad grid that irx-espectir.) facilities which had been af f orded to Turkey ? Again, had I not money been given to Sardinia for the payment of troops to aid in the war against Russia ? Would it be more oh. jectionable to lend money to India for an English object ? When the English Three per Cents. were at. 95 and the East India Company were borrowing money at 6 per cent., would it not confer a great advantage on India and give a favourable introduction to the abolition of the double government to allow India to enjoy fully her union with this country ? But this was refused. It was said " You shall be under the crown for the purposes cf power and honour, but as to the question of crelit, you shall have none of our credit." When the right hon. gentleman proposed to give to the East India Company the power of borrowing for two Jeers, and the probability was that that company would not live for many weeks, the ab surdity of such a plan must strike every member of the house. It seemed to him to be contrary to every prin ciple of constitutional manage to grant a. minister, who was not known, the power of borrowing 14,000,000 i. to dis pose of existing obligations and debts, leaving the re mainder to be managed no one knew how. Ho was not aware whether any opposition would be given to the measure at its present stage,, but trusted some hon. mem ber of greater influence would express his opinion on the subject. (Hear, hear.) The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that notwithstanding the high financial authority of the hon. gentleman, he did not think the house would, upon a ma ture consideration of the question, come to the conclusion that the bill proposed by his right hon. friend was not founded on principles of correct legislation on the two points on which the hon. gentleman had impugned it. The hon. gentleman's first objection was that the Government sought to obtain for the East India Company the power of borrowing money, which in consequence of expected legislation they might not be able hereafter to exercise; and he then argued that the exigencies of the Indian treasury ought to be satis fied not by loans borrowed on Indian credit, but by loans granted on imperial credit. Now he (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) ventured to maintain, with great confidence, after a full consideration of the matter, that the bill was founded on correct policy in both respects, although that policy was directly contrary to that recommended by the hon. gentleman. It was not disputed that a necessity existed for the Government of India in this country to raise money by loan for the payment of the expenses of their home .treasury. If that point should be conceded, considerable progress would be made in the solution of the question. Now, what was the position of the East India Company with respect to their borrowing powers. In India their power of borrowing was unlimited, and it was not suggested that the authority of parliament, was necessary to enable the Governor-General in council to borrow. There was always a loan open in the three presidencies of India, and the bor rowing power had 'lever been disputed, and was constantly kept in a state of activity. With regard to this country, the borrowing powers of the East India Company were peculiar, owing to the manner in which their anomanius authority had been created. Having been originally a trading company, which accidentally acquired sovcreiguty and governing power, their power to borrow was limited by Parliament, as Parliament limited the borrowing powers of any ordinary joint stock company. Owing to these circumstances, it was necessary for Parliament to give to the Government of India iu this country specific authority to borrow money in this country. But iu con sequence of their having become a political body after they had originally exercised merely mercantile functions, they had not the same advantage in the money mar ket in this country which was possessed by the local Government of any of our other depend encies or colonies. If, for example, the Government of Canada, or the Government of Demerara wished to effect a loan in this country--if their credit enabled them to borrow—there was nothing in the statute law to prevent their exercising that power to any extent to which they might be able to induce landowners to come forward. But the East India Company was peculiarly situated, and it was necessary for them to apply to Parliament to remove that restriction which the accident of being a trading cons pany had embarrassed it with. What was now required was thatthe government of India in this country —the Board of Directors subject to the control of theßoard of Commission ors for India—should have the power to a certain extent to borrow money in this country, in order to defray the ex penses of their home treasury for a limited time. If they exercised that power they would exercise it subject to all the laws now in existence. If the power was clear, the responsi bility would continue so long as the existing state of things remained unaltered. If it should please Parliament on the proposition of the Government to make any alteration in the constitution of the home government of India, undoubtedly it would take care to provide for the transfer of those powers—to see that the borrowing powers created by the bill should be exercised under proper responsibility—add that the money obtained by the exercise of such borrowing powers should be used, subject to the laws which regulate the expenditure of the government of India. No dangerous interval would occur, and there would be a clear power and complete responsibility, both during the currency of this act, and under any amended statute which parliament might think fit to pass. Therefore there was not the smallest weight in the objections to the principle on which the bill was founded. The necessity existed for authorising the existing home government of India to raise money for the wants of the 'home treasury. The necessity existing, the constitution of the home government continued, the present bill was adapted to that constitution. The power of raising and using the money would be exercised under the existing law. If parliament should think fit to alter the present constitution, then the power of borrowing must be dealt with in the same manner as other powers inherent in the East India Company, and no peculiar difficulty would arise with respect to the present bill which would not arise with respect to their other powers. They now possessed a small unexhausted power of borrowing on India Bonds, to which the objections of the hon, gentleman would apply as much as to the present bill. The hon. gentleman proposed that loans for the service of India should not be raised me the credit of the revenue of India, but by the Imperial Ex chequer; and argued that the government were bound to accede to his principle, because they wore about to propose the abolition of the political powers of the company in this country. But he could not see the smallest connexion be tween the prouises and the conclusion of the hon. gentleman. It was only necessary to look to other dependencies and colonies of the kingdom to see manifold examples of govern ments, in which there was a direct relation between the Crown and the dependency, and in which, nevertheless, the exchquers were just as distinct as the imperial exche quer and the Indian exchequer, and where the loan was effected by the colonial credit, unless the imperial credit wag given by the specific legislation of Parliament. The hon. gentleman had referred to the case of the Canadian loan, and that of the Demerara loan, , as examples which ought to be followed with regard to India. Now, the Canadian loan was effected under peculiar circumstances, with a view to the settlement of differences pending with the colony, and rested simply on the policy of en impe rial guarantee for a colonial loan. In the case of Deme rara, and other loans effected by the West India islands, they were in some degree connected with the emancipa tion of the slaves, and the distressed financial condition of those colonies, and surely they afforded no example for the extension -of an imperial guarantee to an exchequer so generally wealthy as that of India. During the last session an imperial guarantee was given to New Zealand, but the reason was, that it was a young and struggling community —and there were peculiar relations with the Now Zealand Company which rendered' it expedient that the assistance of the British treasury should be given to that community. These reasons, however, did not apply to our East India dominions, which hal never yet been a burden upon the British exchequer. On the contrary, in the early history of our relations with India, an attempt was made to ex tract from India a contribution to the English exchequer. That tribute, as irwas called, was paid for a series of years and to a groat extent a delusion prevailed that England had, to no inconsiderable degreeebeen omiched by the con tributions of India, and that so far from the imperial ex chequer being called upon to guarantee Indian loans and becoming itself tributery, the common belief of foreigners and of many persons in this country was, that England had derived from India some assistance to its exchequer. Without wiehing to revive long settled disputes as to the tribute of India in aid of the expenses of this country—. without thinking that it would ever be possible, or if pos. sible that it would be just or expedient, to call upon the finances of India to do mnro than discharge the wants of the Indian Government. Ho could not for a moment ad mit the principle that except for some extraordinary pe e . pose—except on account of the failure both of Indian re venue and Indian credit—it would be expedient or just to call in aid of the finances of India the credit of the Impe rial Legislature. Differing entirely with the hon. gentle man on the two important points which he hal raised, he justified the bill on principles of sound policy, and as de serving of the support of the house. (Hear.) Mr. DISRAELI did not think his hon. friend the mem ber for Huntingdon (Hr. Baring) ought to flatter himself with the notion that her Majesty's Ministers would with draw their intended measure to change the govern ment of India on account of the existence of a great emergency, because it was in the midst of a great emergency, after due and deep consideration, that her Majesty's Ministers arrived at the c onc l us i on th at such a policy ought to be recommended to Parliament; and, considering the inlimatioa oontainel in the speech from the throne- -considering the correspondence which hail taken place between the highest authorities connected with the Government of India and the First Minister of the Crown—considering that a member in another place hail last night signified the intention of the Government to bring forward a measure to change the powers of the East India Government in this country, he thought his hon. friend would, upon reflection, not flatter himself that his appeal would be successful. (Hear ) It appeared to him that her Mtij ity'a Ministers were not acting with that ingenuousness and candour which the house had a right to expect. After the notification from the Crown and the correspondence which had passed between the First Minis ter and the directors, it was rather extraordinary that the I [ouso of Commons had received no official intimation on the subject, when the interposition of that house was ne cessary to enable the East India Company to carry on the government of that vast country. He did not think the right hon. gentleman had mot the practical difficulty in the case. The question really , was, what were the roost advantageous terms on which the Home Government of India could raise the money ? The house had been told that, whatever charges might take place; it was the doter min'etion of the Government thi.t any loan raised in this country by the Home Government of India should ho a charge upon the revenue of India only. He would not at present enter into the policy and propriety of that de:ec ruination ; but if the loan was to bo chargeable only on the revenue of India, it became a question of calculation wi th those who bad the money to lend w h et h er the iseeceeity would be beat under the Government now in existence in India, and which administered I n di a, or uuderthe Govern ment projected by her Majesty's Ministers. That appeared to be a distinction of the utmost importance, which the house was bound to c ons id er, and which involved the whole question of the policy or propriety of the chan're of Government. (Hear, hear.) It was a question of wive consideration whether the house should or could entertain a measure of this kind--a measure which empowered the Home Government of India to raise, not for immediate or pressing .purposes, but for future purposes, a loan of such a large amount. The fine consideration of those who had money to lend must be the security on which the money was to be lent. If the security was only to be the revenue of India, the question would bo the parties by whom the government was to be adwinietered and the means by which tho revenue was to be raised, because that might make a difference between 3 anti 6 per cent or e . , tween 6 and 9 per cent. h Some parsons might co r s i ter that if the administration of India was placid un !or the crown, the security offered by the Indian revenue would h e finitely improved. But these might be an influential bo!ly n , an I amongst them probably many wh o wou ' d be willieg to advance the money, who would lo o k w i th the greatest alarm and distrust on the projected a lt eration, as likely t o shake the foundations of the Indian revenue and ff ' i Y h 3 resources and prosperity of the country. e e Under the s e e tir cu m -tepees, although ho could not g o so far as to say the house ought to refuse to sanction the introduction of the bill, becaase that would bo au act of Oiecourt.sy towards , the government to which he did not wish let hea party, he thought the house ought tq Day, in permitting its ietrodunt ► tie% we age not illedged to support it in its Mure His impression was that when the bill was well weighed by the house and the country, it would be found repete with grave objections and deserving of the most serious and earnest consideration. (Hear, hear.) Mr. CARDWELL thought the demand that the Esst India Company should borrow money was a reasonable ono --(hear, hear) but it became an early question what was to be the future position of the Cot solidated Fund in con nection with this loan. Money borrowed by the East In dia Company would be twice the charge of money borrowed by the Crown. He had no desire to precipitate the dis cussion on the forthcoming measure with regard to India, but it was of first moment to consider on what basis the future revenue of India was to rest. (Hear, hear.) Mr. HENLEY sa id th ere cou ld b e no doubt that the East India Company required money at this moment, but the question remained, whether the means of borrowing proposed was the best that could be devised. (Hear, hear.) He thought the house had been left somewhat in the dark on the subject •of the revenues of India. In all former cases, where so large a loan as ten millions had been bor rowed, Parliament had been informed as to the means of repayment, and the particular security to be forthcoming. The Government had omitted all information in this re' Ted. If the money was to be raised entirely on the security of the Indian revenue, the power of !eliding money in India at 6 per ce-nt. would to some extent influence the advance of money at lower rates in this country. (Hear.) Mr. MANGLES said that although the East India Com pany had not asked the Government to bring in a bill for the aboliticn of the company's power—(a laugb)—they cer tainly had requested the introduction of the present mea' sure. Money was required by the company in consequence of the enormous outgoings in connection with the recent ' mutiny, both with regard to the supply of money for troops and the transport of stores. The Home Government of India required assistance, and it was asked in order that the machine should not come to a stop. The right hon. member for Buckinghamshire said that the money was not immediately required ; but the fact was that, at this nie: ment, the company owod the Government for the p a yment of troops and for stores not less than 3,000,0001. ; and of the end of 1858-9 that sure would amount to 7,000,0001. With regard to the terms of borrowing, he believed that 6 per cent. in Calcutta was equivalent to 3 per cent. in this country. The company's Four per Cent. Bonds were at present at a premium of 28s. per cent., and this showed that the company was not at s o l ow an ebb as some KIP' posed. (Hear.) It had been said that the East Indio Company, like certain colonies in former times, could bar' row in the market, and lawyers were of opinion that on extension of the company's powers could he effected for that purpose; but whatever might be the opinion on thet bead, he hoped that in the meantime the machinery of the Home Government of India might not be allowed to stand still for the want of funds for carrying on the war. (Hear.) Sir F. BARING had no wish to impede the East Inge Company in procuring money (hear, hear) ;—but thought, the loan 'should be c on fi ne d t o th e year. (Hear, bear ./ Why should the company now have advanced to it three millions more than it wanted, when it was well known that before the expiration of six mouths that company itself would have become a matter of history. (A laugh.) 110 should also have liked to have had a . littla ibformation as to the dispos tl of the money. The only fact known was, that as far as finalise was concerned, the Chancellor of the Exchequer would not be responsible. It we all very well for the right hon. gentleman to say this, but the Engli 6ll public, in the contingency of failure on the part of the Indian finances to repay the loan, would feel bound in honour to repay it. (Hear, hear.) It, therefore, became the duty and the interest of the Government to barrow money on the most eligible terms. (Hear, hear.) I t necessary preliminary to the loan was explanation as to the actual sum required. (Hear, hear.) Colonel SYKES did not mean to anticipate discussion on the forthcoming bill for setting aside the company, but desired to eepress his entire concurrence in the measure* adopted to preserve its powers. Pending legislation, - money was ereeetly required. But this was his firm conviction. that if bill for abolishing the company were carried into effect, the securities on w hi c h th e money was a d va n ced would not be worth a rush. (Hear, and a laugh.) Sir H. WILLOUGHBY considered the moment chose>a by the Government for destroying the powers of the Eli' India Company most inopportune. It was most important; also, that before gran ti ng the proposed loan the financia l situation of India should be clearly laid before Parliarnen" He very much doubted whether the holders of East Indio Stock were not prejudiced by the present measure. Mr. DANBY SEYMOUR said that a disposition had been shown to li m it th e amount of this loan. Such at was the desire of the Government, and the sum named by them—namely, 10 ,000,0001.—was the limit assigned. The loan, he contended, had been advantageously put outs Mr. V. SMITH, in reply, thanked the house for the tone and tamper in which they had received the me asure' , There was no i n t en ti on t o c h arge t h e revenues of t,hl: country with liability for an y p or ti on o f th e loan. 'l?' hoped that, considering the position of. the East Ina!! Company, no tmeeoessary delay would take place befel l ' the second reading of the bill. Since the last Indian had get, the Indian revenues had certainly not improved, frel causes well known to the hous e . The money to be raise would be confined exclusively to home expenditure. Leave was then given to bring in the bill. EAST INDIA CADETSHIPS. of Colonel SYKE3 move d f or a return of the lumber „„ cadetships and di ff erent cl asses o f individuals upon 1 41 %; sons all c a d e t s hip s f or I n di a h ave b een conferred by ' ho directors of the East India Co m p any an d P res i dent of tl, Board of C on t ro l , i n t h e several years from 1840 to 1 8 1' both inclusive. H e b e li eve d th ere wou ld b e no obj€4l'„,, to the return, similar ones having b een turnisned. : prod uce d he felt satisfied it would be seen that in not • sing'. ease hid promotion been the result of patronage Mr. Y. SMITH said that it would be difficult to We d . Me return, whi c h, i n f act, was hardly intelligible. ' bo could not co nce i ve t h e reason why the return was t°,st limited to th e per i od between 1840 and 1847, except "" in the former year the hon. and gallant colonel becatee director of the company. Colonel SYK ES said he could not consent to the alb' b . rations pr o p ose d in the form of the return by the r ig ht hon. the President of the Board of Control: " The motion , w as origi na ll y proposed, was the agreed t ° without a division. INDIAN PETITIONS. et Sir H. VERNEY moved for oopies of all pipers 0 already presented to the house connected with the varto.n.. annexations of ter r it ory i n Ind i a, including . minutes by dividual directors, since the ann exa ti on o f S a tt ar ah 7 0 ; counts of all sums paid to Hindoo or Mahometan sho i ' o f or in any way in honour or support of the religion v r d i o , religious institutions of the native inhabitants of t he which ware colle c t e d or disbursed by the agency 0 ., 56 7; East India Comp an y' s servants daring the year _ re . cop:es of the p e ti ti on o f th e i n t % bi t ants of Calcutta for tn7 oo cal of the G overnor -G enera l, together with any observithoe which b e ma y h ave ma d e thereon ; and, if any &OP"; to from the Court of Directors of the East India CorolA ll i of the Government of India, respecting the appointro/of commissioners to in qu i re i n t o t h e cause of the n3utpir mutiny iu th a t country, and the best means of re-org` ing the Bengal army. CO l. Mr. V. SMITH explained that thee petition frothA tor cutta referred t o i n th e motion, was not acoom pan''—fral so full an ex pl ana ti on by the Governor-General al is to usually the case i n despatches transmitted from In''" the Gcvointnent at home. - With this explanation the motion Was ag reed to. r On the moti on o f Mr. HAYTER, new writ vi,t, o o r dored'f o r th e sout h ern division of tlw county of Nortrioi ton, for th e e l ection of a member in the room 0' —tle Althorpo, who since' his election had been called t° House of Peers. THE NEW INDIA BILL. Lord PALMERSTON gave notice that on Fricial nest he w ou ld move for leave to bring in a bill for the b ° regulation of the Governmen of India. 40 6 The house then adjourned tat a few Ini na tea after ') o'clock. '..,!_,_. Country Ill9;rkets. LIVERPOOL. FEB. 5. The trade remains languid and unsatiicaotorY, h e An dy poor attendance with a small bu s i ness i n wheat at:3 $b 1 the full rates of Tuesday. Flour quite neglected, 3 7 ) tu rd price s were mutely nominal. Oats dull, and meal tl' a got cheap er . I ndian corn mot a small demand at 335 " ther mor e f ree l y mixed American, and 33s for Black Sea. White W" - „,, °tiered at 36s per qr. • WAKEFIELD—FEL 5. • beat ..h The arrivals o f gra i n this week were large, an— or.' sold 2s per qr lower, buyers supplying themselves t r 1 0: small quantiti es at the decline. Inferior kinds almilistil' saleable. B ar l ey i s cheaper, and secondary saes a e , , to sell. B eans fi rm. but eats and shelling rather o° l Averages for the week : Wheal-, 47s bid Oats, 23s 21(1 I Peas, 426 . o ,j, I Barley, 36s 6,d Beans, 41s Old I Rye, --43 EXETER—FEL 5, tlti ; i 4:41 i COUN.—Wheat, Gs 3d to tss 6d ; barley, 4s , t a o °' grinding do., OF Od. to Os Od. Oats, 'lig td to ' 9 Beans, Os 0 1 to 0 Od. Peas, 00s Od to 00s Od. o Os FLoun.—Fine, 35 8 Od t o 378 Od i aseondw, —.. 1 ° 3 t Od per sack. 13 0 i CATTLE.—There was a large supply of bullocks. 0 . p ot beef, from Os 01 to its Od per score ; i n forior, 7s t o i o I, err 01 - score; fat calves, Od to 6.1 per lb ,• barrenner a •Oa Ls' ~..tat Od. per score ; cow s an d calveft, 12/. to 201. Os ; P:, 01 11 1 calves, 0.1 to 7d per lb., rearing calves —s to awes. ) sheep, owes and lamb s , 21. .to 3/. 5s per couple; O to 61d; wetbors, 7d --d ; l am b s , 71d to 0 per lb. ...4 large size, —s to --s ; second size, —s to —s; sli A e t PP to —s ; suckors, —s to — s . R oug h fat, 44d pe t Pork carcases from 7s Od to 8s Od per score. _s BIRTHS. 1 -, of ASTON— )11 the 3d inst., a t 41, Doughty-street, the W 1 James J. Aston, Eiq.. barrister-at -law, of a son. _ 10. DE PASS —On the 4th inst at 135, W es tbourne-terra oo, David DS Pass, of a son .. lie ROWELL—Oa the 4th i ns t . a t 6, Eatonplace west, the /1 of I'. J. H owe ll , E sq., 9fa daughter. 0 014). MooN—On the 4th i ns t., M rs. Robert Moon, o f 45 ' land-square, Hyde-park, of a son. MARRIAGES. , chart GRANT—CHADWICK —On the 2d ,at the PaL i ?" h ised,,,%; Prestwich, Capt. John Grant, late . 42d Royal riowtb eldest son of James Murray Grant, Esq., of Gita ° slt i4r - Inverness-shire, to Anne, second daughter - r a sq.,4,. same time and place, Sainsbury Gillies Payn°9 PThie ristor-at-law, only son of Sir Char!es Gass P 3l- ,;:ie,„" d n of Blunharn House, 130.1fordshire, to Catherine ' o f ' iv' youngest daughter —of Robert Chadwick, Esq'' Bank, Prestwich, ne.ir Manchester. J O4). WALKER —BAss—Ou the 3(1 hist ,at Bucicland, ' J OU" os Walker, Esq., of D over, and Of the Woodlana s t a _ Emit, to Ann, daughter of the late Tkonia 133 '" Buckland-place, near Dover: or t soo .t a Barrox—On the ra Crunstoue Arthur, i e r n t 0; Mr. Thom as Barton, of the firm, of Abbotb, ° Co. DEATHS. 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