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IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS.-(YESTERDAY.) The LORD CatNcRLLOR took hi 3 seat on the wool tack at four o'clock. LATEST FROH INDIA. _ _ The Earl cf MALMESBURY said he had no doubt their lordships would like to hear the contents of a telegram which he had received bat a few minutes since. (Hear, hear.) The noble lord then read the telegram, which will be fund in another place, and said he felt Ware their I qdshipa felt grateful for the ab;lity and gal lantry displayed by Sir H. Rose. (Loud che2rs.) THIRD READINGS. The following bills were read a third time and passed: 'Four Courts (Dublin) Ex' ension. Stipendiary Magistrates, Ecclesiastical Jurisdiction Continuance, Charitable Grants Arrangemen, Copyhold and Inclosure Compts aioners, Indemnity, Administration of Oaths by Com mittees, and Army Service Bills. THE GOVERNMENT OF . INDIA BILL. The Duke of NEWCAS TLE said he wished to call their lordships' attention to one or two clauses in this bill. Clause 28 provided that in all cases in which for merly the secret committee of the Court of Directors was the organ of communication, the Secretary of Slate ali g ht communicate withou t the intervention of his Council. When the house was in committee on that clause the noble earl (Derby) consented to the in troduction of a provision to the effect that a committee might be formed by the Secretary of State, consisting of the v icz-president and one or two members of the Cam el', with whose knowledge the communication should be made. No such provision had, however, been intro duced, and the clause stood as it did b e f ore . In clause 52, also, there was a verbal alteration required, in refe rence to the time within whi c h any order sent out for the commencement of hostilities in India should be com municated to Parliament. The Earl of DERBY said that since this bill had passed through committee he had been engaged in con sidering the altPrations which he intended to propose on the third reading. As to claim) 28, it would be pro vided that no such orders should be sent out without being communicated to tho vice-president and some other members of the Council. As to clause 52, it would be found, when looked at carefully, to be quite correct as it stood. ADMINISTRATION OF OATHS BY COM- mirrE ES BILL. On the motion for the third reading of this bill, Lord STANLEY of ALDERLEY explained that this measure was calculated to save time and expense in the progress of private business through committees. Witnesses could henceforth be sworn in committees of the House of Commons, without the necessity of their being sworn at their lordships' bar. Such an enactment bad been unanimously recommended by the committee. The bill was read a third time. COPYHOLD ACTS AMENDMENT BILL. This bill passed through committee. LOCAL GOVERNMENT BILL. This bill passed through committee. ART UNIONS ACT AMENDMENT BILL. The Duke of BUCCLEUCH moved the second read ing of this bill, the object of which he said was to extend the provisions of the Art Unions Act to associations for the encouragement of manufactures. Lord MONTEAGLE expressed his disapproval of the bill, and suggested that it should be postponed until an other session. _ _ _ The Earl of DERBY thought several portions of the bill were open to objection, and supported the sugges- tion that it should be postponed. The Duke of BUCCLEUCH assented. The motion far the second reading was then negatived. TITLES TO LAND (SCOTLAND) BILL. _ _ This bill passed tbroneh committee. SALE AND TRANSFER OF LAND (IRELAND) BILL. The report of the amendments to this bill was brought up and received. UNIVERSITIES (SCOTLAND) BILL. This bill was read a third time and passed. COUNTY PROPERTY CONVEYANCE BILL. This bill was read a second time. STIPENDIARY MAGISTRATES BILL. This bill was read a tbird time and passed, The Inclosure of Lands Bill, the Legitimacy Declara tion Bill, the Sheep, &c., Contagious Diseaies Prevention Bill, the Turnpike Acts Continuance Bill, the Public Health Bill and Vaccination (Ireland) Bill, passed through committee. CHELSEA BRIDGE Acr AMENDMENT BILL. On the motion for the second reading of this bill, The Duke of NEWCASTLE said this bill provided for the payment of the 80,0001. and interest, but it ap peared doubtful whether it afforded security for the 17,0001. which had already accrued. He had no objec tion to the opening of the bridge on the Sunday free of toll, but was glad that both the late and pre3ent Govern ments refused to accede to the proposition for the aban• donment of the whole of this sum. The Earl of DERBY thought the bill provided for the payment of the whole amount. The bill was then read a second time. The Returns to Secretary of State Bill and the Da tached Parts of Counties Bill were read a second time. CAPTAIN GRANT'S COOKING APPARATUS. Earl FORTESCUE moved that there be laid before the bonse a copy of the proceedings of a committee as sembled at Woolwich on the 6th of March to report on Captain Grant's cooking apparatus ; also copy of cor respondence between the Quartermaster-General and Captain Grant respecting the erection of a cooking appa• rates at Shorncliffe ; and asked the Under Secretary for War whether, after the three years' experience that had been bad of Captain Grant's cooking apparatus, there appeared any reason to doubt its superiority over every other previously in use ; and'if not, whether any or what steps were taking to extend its adoption generally throughout the army...? Viscount 1141R13INGE said that there was no ob jection to the production of the correspondence. The committee had reported that Captain Grant's was the best cooking apparatus. With regard to the further trial at Shoranliffe, to which Captain G:ant took objection, the last committee reported that it was desirable that Captain Grant should be requested to superintend the construction of his apparatus for 500 men, in order to ratify the accuracy of the estimate of its prime cost be fore it was generally adopted. It was in consequence of that statement in the report that his right hon. and gal lant friend the Secretary of War directed it should be subjected to that test. It would take a week or ten days before the result was known, but if it proved satisfactory he had reason to believe that his right hon, and gallant friend would take steps for its general adoption in the army. He must say there had been an improvement at each successive step, and that the apparatus erected at Woolwich and Aldershot was a great improvement on the previous ones. Their lordships adjourned at 25 minutes to 8. HOUSE OF COMMONS-(YESTERDAY.) The SPEAKER took the chair shortly after 12 o'clock. SARAWAK. Mr. CRAWFORD presented a petition from the merchants, shipowners, and bankers of London, trading to the East Indies and China, calling attention to the present state of British interests in the Archipelago, and praying that protection might be afforded to the govern ment of Sarawak under Sir J. Brooke. CONSOLIDATED FUND (APPROPRIATION) BILL—THE FINANCIAL STATE OF THE COUNTRY. On the motion for going into committee on this bill, Sir G. C. LEWIS called the attention of the house to a comparison of the figures in the Approprivion Rill with the Chanc e llor o f the Exchequer's statement when he introduced his budget, He then estimated the re• venue at 63,900,0001., and that there would be a surp lus of revenue over expediture. The right hon. gentleman estimated the interest of the national debt at 30,300,060 1 ., the charges for the army 11,750,0001., for the navy 9,860,000/ 0 the civil service 7,000,0001., and the collec tion of the revenue 4,700,0001., making a total of 63,610,0001., compared with a probable revenue of 63,900,0001., showing a surplus of revenue over expen diture of about 300,0001. The results of the votes in committee during the session, as shown by the appro priation bill, were as follows :—National debt interest 30,300,000/., army 12,010,0001., navy 9,839,0001., civil services, 7,240,0001. and collection ofrevenue 4 734,000/., making a total of 64,119,0001., but to that must be added 326,0001., the balance of former votes in committee of supply, of which the Government proposed to avail themselves, and that would bring up the total charge of the existing financial year to 64,445,0001., against an estimated revenue of 63,900,0001. ; therefore, accord ing to the information now before the house, instead of there beiug an excess of revenue of 300,000/. over ex. penditure, there wou'd be an estimated excess of expen diture over revenue of 835,0001., which was the point to which be wished to call attention. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said it was true there had been an excess of estimated expen diture over revenue but at the same time he was happy to say th e revenue ' bad also exceeded his estimate, and if he were called upon to make a statement from this time, his estimate of revenue would be much greater than the estimate referred to. The gloomy state of things that existed when her Majesty's Government took office had cleared away, and the revenue for the final quarter showed an increase of 223,9441. income over expenditure, and that at a period when their expectations were the least sanguine. He found from a return that had been furnished to him the follow. j u g favourable state of the revenue from the Ist to the 19th July, in comparison with the same period of the previous year. In 1857 the revenue derived from the customs for the 18 days was 867,0001, for this year 1 , 063 , 0001., giving a surplus on the 18 days of 196,000/. (Hear, hear.) Excise in 1857 wai 623,000/., it was now 728,000!., giving an increase of 105,0001. (Rear, hear.) Stamps i n 1857 wa s 297,000/ , it was now 340,000/. (hear, bear) —giving a surplus of 43,000/. (Hear, hear.) The post-o;fice in 1857 was 30,0001., it was now 50,0001, giving a surplus o f 20,0001. The aggregate increase of surplus on thesa four great hranchee which more than any other indicated the co cdttion of the coun try, was 364,0001. on the 18 days. (Hear, h3ar.) Such a state of things would, he thought, allow hon. members to meet their constituents without any gloomy views of the state of the finances of the country—(bear, hear) —and when it was said there was a deficircy instead of an in crease, h e appealed to the figures he had stated as pr ocf to the cont rary. The state of the revenue was so encou raging, that her Majesty's Government, although they had the power of raising this year two millions, in order to pay off Exchequer Bonds, had only availed themselves o f that power to the extent of one million—(hear, bear) —which they anticipated would be sufficient— (bear, hear)—so that if public affairs proceeded as favourably as now, her Majesty's Government would be able to reduce ' the debt this year one midion. (Hear, hear.) The right Lon. gentleman reminded the iIQUIIe that revenue and expenditure depended on the policy pursued by a Government. (Hear, hear.) And after reviewing our position with reference to foreign countries, and our commercial prospects, he =eluded by observing that the income and expenditure was such as to give satis faction to every lover of his country. (Hear, hear.) After some remarks from Mr. WILSr.'N and Mr. HAMILTON, Mr. CRAWFORD asked the Chancellor of the Ex chequer if he could state how much of the increase in stamps arose from the imposition of stamps on bankers' cheques. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he could not exactly answer the question of the hon. member, nor did be think it necessary to do so. The taxes had generally realised the estimate ho made in the beginning of April. „ . Sir H. WILLOUGHBY complained of the growing increase in expenditure of the country. It was becom ing a very serious matter, and the house must do some thing to check it. The finances were is a buoyant state but unfortunately expenditure increased according to the capability of taxation. He had every confidence that the present government would use their utmost en deavours to reduce the expenditure. After some remarks from Mr. W. WILLIAMS in rela tion to the increase of expenditure in the a rmy and navy, The motion wag agreed to. The house then went into committee, and tbo various clauses up to 24 were agreed to. On clause 25, Sir H. WILLOUGHBY moved the following addition to the clause :—" Provid©d always, that whenever, in consequence of an exigency of the public service, the commissioners of her Majesty's Treasury shall authorise an appropriation of the public money, in addition to the aggregate sn - n voted for any service in any department, every such appropriation shall be presented in a supple mentary estimate to be approved and sanctioned by Lie House of Commons if Parliament is sitting, and if Par liament is not sitting, then within one month after the meeting of Parliament." Sir G. C. LEWIS objected to the amendment. In stead of its heir)° , a proviso it was in fact a repeal of the clause. The right hon. baronet contended that it was necessary the Executive Government should have a dis cretionary power given to them. Mr. W. WILLIAMS supported the amendment. After some further discussion, The committee divided. The numbers were — For the amendment 4l Against it B9 Maj ority —42 The amendment was lost and the clause agreed to. The remaining clauses were agreed to and the bill passed through committee. The house resumed. METROPOLIS LOCAL MANAGEMENT ACT AMENDMENT BILL. On the motion for going into committee on this bill, Mr. BUTLER objected to the motion. He con sidered they were legislating too hastily on this subject. There was a large area from the C:tswold hills to West minster bridge that contributed towards the contami nation of the Thames, which it was proposed to exempt from this till. He thought that those who contributed to the contamination of the river should assist in its purification. (hear, hear.) He bad another objection to the bill, namely, that a large amount of property within the area, such as the Royal Palace,. Government offices, and public buildings, that contributed towards the contamination of the river, were to be exempted from contributing towards its purification, and he moved the committal of the bill on this day three months. Sir C. NAPIER also considered that those who con tributed towards the evil complained of should be called upon to contribute to its removal. An enormous quan tity of dirt was brought up the river by the shipping, and be wished to know why the shipping interest were not to contribute towards the works in question ? Lord J. MANNERS expressed a hope that the house would not be led into a general discussion of the bill be fore going into committee. There could be no doubt throwing dirt into the docks was an offence, and steps had been taken to prevent its recurrence. Sir C. NAPIER—That has nothing to do with the dirt from the shipping in the ri7er. (near, hear.) Lord EBRINGTON said he had not sufficient confi dence in the Metropolitan Board of Works and their offi cers, to entrust them with carrying out these works. Sir DE L. EVANS considered it was the duty of the Government to assist the Metropoltan Board of Works, who, he believed, ware capable of carrying out this work. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he thought the best way to consider the bill was in coin , mittee. The principle of the bill bad received the appro val of the house. He considered Mr. Thwaites, the chair man of the Metropolitan Beard of Works, was a practical and efficient public servant. (Hear.) After some remarks from Mr. HEADLAM, Mr. CONINGHAM viewed with considerable alarm the interference of the Government in the manner pro posed. The Metropolitan Board of Works were most incompetent for the important duties they would have to discharge, and he expressed his belief that the drainage of London would cost 30 millions to carry it out in a proper manner. He referred to the various schemes that had been laid before the public, and severely criticised that of Mr. Bazalgette, and ridiculed his in spection of the sewers at midnight, when every honest man ought to be in his bed. (Cheers and loud laughter.) He contended that much of the evil complained of arose from the rain fall, and that the scheme proposed was not calculated to remedy it. He opposed the going into committee on tho bill. _ _ _ Sir J. SHELLEY hoped the house would go into committee on the bill. The Metropolitan Biard of Works had great difficulties to contend with, but they had not yet been tried and found wanting. This was an coal:ling bill, and he felt satisfied that if the Metropoli tan Board of Works were calhd upon to carry out these works they would do it satisfactorily. Mr. COX said- the people put no faith in the Execu• tive Government carrying out works economically, and he instanced the estimate of 750,0001. for Westminster Palace, but which had cost upwards of two millions. If the Metropolitan Board•of Works had to carry out the drainage of the metropolis, he thought they would carry it out within a reasonable sum. (Hear, hear.) Ha ex pressed his regret that the public offices were not to con tribute towards the expense, and asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if he was prepared to introduce a clause rating them towards it. Gen. CODItINGTON asked if it was understood that the Government had made it a condition with the Me tropolitan Board of Works that the intercepting plan should be carried out, viz., by a succession of tunnels down to Barking Creek! Mr. WALPOLE thought these questions could be answered in committee. Mr. J. LOCKE (Southwark )wisbed to know if there was a foregone conclusion by the Government of any particular plan ; and if s), what it was ? It was neces sary the house should be informed on that subject. Mr. CLAY said the bill did not give her Majesty's Government power to decide on any plan, but the Me tropolitan Board of Works ; and he had the authority of the chairman of the Metropolitan Board of Works to state that that body was not pledged to any particular plan. After some remarks from Sir W. DUNBAR, Mr. J. LOCKE (Honiton) thought the Government should give an answer to the hon. and gallant member for Greenwich. Ey doing so many objections would be removed, and he acd others would be disposed to go into committee. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said her Majesty's Government were not connected in any man ner with any scheme for the main drainage of the me tropolis. All her Majesty's Government intended and professed to do by the bill was to place the Metropoli tan Board of Works in a position to carry into effect any plan they might consider best calculated to attain the result desired. (Hear, hear.) Mr. S. WORTLEY said the difficulty was, that what. ever the intention of her !Majesty's Government might be, the bill pledged the house to the intercepting system. Mr. SHERIDAN urged that the public offices should contribute towards the proposed expense. Tho house then divided. The numbers Were— For going into committee 133 Against it Majority —122 The house then went into committee on the bill. On cause 1, Mr. HEADLAM moved after "speed,,. leave out to the end of the clause, and insert "such works as may ba necessary for purifying the Thames and improving the drainage of the metropolis." If his amendment was agreed to he should next move the omission of clause 2, when the bill would express no opinion on any particu lar scheme of drainage and the purification of the Thames. (Hear, hear.) The clause was under discussion at 4 o'clock, when the house suspended its sittings. The house resumed at 6 o'clock. NOTICES OF MOTION. By Mr• WRIgaTsoN, early next seaiion, to bring in a bill to amend the statute of Queen Anne as to vacant seats. By Sir DE L. EVANS, early next session, to call atten• Lion to the report of sale and purchase in the army, and to move a resolution thereon. By Mr. TIM early neat cession, to move for a select committee to inquire into the law of lunacy. LUNATIC ASYLUMS. Mr. FITZROY inquired of the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether it was true, as stated in a daily paper, that, at a recent visitation, the com missioners in lunacy discovered in a private provincial lunatic asylum a concealed cell, in which a man, stated to be in full possession of his faculties, had been for many years confined ? Mr. WALPOLE had made inquiry, and was in formed that the commissioners in lunacy bad not di-co- T ered any instance ()la person in full possession of his acuities having been confined for many years in a lunatic asylum. - THE OUDE EDITORS. Mr. DILLWYN asked C th ß e President of the Board of Control what had been done with regard to the cre• d;tors on the state of Oude since Mr. Otway called for a return of their names and respective claims on the 9AI of May, 1857 ; and whether a commission had been ap pointed in India to investigate the merits of those claims ? Lord STANLEY stated that on the 17th of June last year instructions had been Oven to the Governor' • General to direct that all bona fide claims sh ou ld b e in vestigated and reported on, either by the commissioner at Oude, or by acme officer specially appointed for the purpose. Oa the the 22d of August a despatch was re ceived in answer, stating that those instructions would be carried into effect so soon as the state of public affairs iu Oude would permit, It wag therefore to be inferred that Any delay which bad taken place was due to the disturbed state of the country. THE PALACE OF WESTMINSTER Mr. HUME, referring to certain rumours tbat se• rious decay Lad taken place in the foundation stone of the Houses of Parliament, causing the structure to give way in several places, inquired whether there was any truth in them ! . Lord J. MANNERS had in consequence of those rumours communicated with Sir C. Barry and the officer who had charge of the buildings, by both of whom he was informed that there was no ground whatever for the statement. His lordship read a letter from Sir C. Barry denying that there was any truth in the rumours re ferred to, and adding that, owing to certain causes, a fracture bad taken place in one of the courses, but which was of no serious importance; and that such symptoms of decay were observable in certai❑ portions of the stone work as was common to all stone buildings in London, owing to the climate. PROBATE AND DIVORCE. Mr. HADFIELD inquired whether it was intended to proceed with the Probate Act Amendment Bill and the Divorce Act Amendment Bill, or either of them, this session ; and if so, when ? Mr. WALPOLE replied that both bills were on the paper for to-morrow (this day), when the Solicitor-Gene ral would explain in detail what was intended to be done. Their present intention was to take those clauses which were necessary to enable the administration of justice to go on, postponing the others. THE MASSACRE AT JEDDAH. Sir J. ELPUINSTONE—I wish to ask the Under Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs what communi cations have passed between her Majesty's Government and the Government of Turkey on the subject of the re cent outrages at Jeddah ? Whether her Majesty's Go vernment have insisted on the summary punishment of the offenders; and whether they are in possession of any information whether it is possible for ships of war to take up such a position in the harbour of Jeddah as to enable them to give effectual protection to the Christian population, in the event of any future disturbance ? Mr. S. FITZGERALD, who was indistinctly heard, was understood to say—On a former occasion, when my hon. friend the member for Northumberland asked a ques tion upon thissubject, I stated that the Cyclops bad been ordered by telegraph to return immediately to Jeddah, and instructions were given to our representative at Constantinople to demand the most ample reparation for the outrage which had been committed, and to insist upon the immediate punishment of all persons concerned in it. lam now in a position to state that the Cyclops at once sailed to Jeddah, where she now is, and we are informed by her captain that by lightening her she can approach close to the to wn, and is ea heavily armel that she can perform any service that may be required of her —besides which she carries very heavily armed beats for her size. This determination of her Majesty's Go vernment was communicated to the Turkish Govern ment, and they were informed that orders bad been sent to obtain, and, if necessary, to enforce summary punish meat upon those who had been concerned in the murdf re In a subsequent despatch which has bean sent by the Foreign-office to Sir H. Bulseer, he is instructed to say that this is a case in which the British Government will not be trifled with, and even great political objects, as they regard our alliance with the Porte, mast yield to the paramount priaciple of supporting Chrietian and British prestige in those regions. It was not enough to send a general to Jeddah. Troops were wanted there, but above all a public Execution of the murderers imme diately. The Pasha ought to have the power of life and death without tedious references to Constantinople. Three ships had been ordered to Jeddah, and we should seize the place if justice was not speedily obtained. In conse quence of these representations on the part of the British Government, an officer of the highest rank had been de spatched from Constantinople with an armed force, who is authorised to proclaim martial law, and, without re ference to the Government at Constantinople, to inflict immediate punishment upon the authors of the outage. I can state further that not only have the are horities at Constantinople and the Minister of the Sublime Porte expressed their deep regret, but the Sultan himself has sent to Sir H. Bulwer to say fiat there is nothing which his Majesty will not do to testify hts own detestation of the act and to afford reparation; and I may add that his Majesty has placed a million of piastres at the disposal of the British Government, to be disposed of among the suf ferers; and has signified his intention of giving an allow ance of 400/. a year to the daughter of the French vice consul, and a similar annuity to the next representative of our own unfortunate consul. (Hear, hear.) THE REVIEW GROUND AT HOUNSLOW. Mr. BYNG asked whether there would be any objec tion to permit the inhabitants of Hounslow and the vicinity to pass across the review ground, and to use it for recreational purposes, subject to proper restrictions, and at such times as would not interfere with military duties and regulations? Gen. PEEL had several times walked across and had not met with any interruption. MANUFACTURE OF FIREWORKS IN TOWNS, Mr. LAURIE asked whether any steps had been taken to prevent the manufacture of fireworks in populous places ? Mr. WALPOLE stated that there was an act in existence, passed in the reign of Wm. 111., the provi sions of which, if put in force, would prevent the dan gerous practice referred to._ TELEGRAPHIC DESPATCH FRONT INDIA. Mr. WALPOLE read a despatch announcing the cap ture of Gwalior. (This despatch appears in another column.) METROPOLITAN DRAINAGE BILL. The C LIAIRISIAN having reported-progress, Lord J. MANNERS moved that the committee on this bill be resumed. Col. FRENCH appealed to the Speaker against the inconvenience of setting certain bills down for the even ing sitting and then substituting others. There was an Irish bill which stood firs: on the orders, which had brought several members down, no notice having been given that it would not come on. - The SPEAKER stated that the house in the morning had resolved to continue the committee on the Drainage Bill until 4 o'clock, and radorting when they met again at 6 o'clock, instead of adjourning at ten minutes before 4, as usual. The chairman had reported progress, but it was for the house to say whether they would remain in committee now or not. Lord J. MANNERS explained that the committee having been continued till 4 o'clock, there had been no opportunity afforded of giving notice. The house then resolved itself into committee. The discussion on Mr. 11xeneses's amendment to clause 1 was resumed, to leave out, after the word " speed," to the end of the clause, and insert " such works as may be necessary to purify the Thames, and improve the drainage of the metropolis." If this amendment were agreed to, the hon. member would next move the omission of clause 2. His object was to avoid pledging the house to any particular scheme of drainage or purification. One authority was in favour of the plan of the Metropolitan Board of Works, while two were opposed to it. Tee report ef the referees on metropoli tan drainage was opposed to it, and the report of the select committee of that house, so far from sanctioning anything in the nature of the scheme, gave an opi nion in favour of deodorisation. If deodorisation was to be adopted, there was no use in making these costly parallel sewers. He would press on the house that they were doing wrong if they threw their authority into any particular plan. He believed that to be the feeling of the committee, and therefore be proposed words to carry out that desire. By the first clause, as it stood, you defined a particular site where the works might not be, and that was in connexion with the second clause, which laid down where the works might be. It was dear that this was the commencement of the definition of a plan of intercepting to carry off the sewage to Barking Creek. He wished the act to give powers to the Metropolitan Board of Works without pledging them to any particular plan. There were two objects in the bill, the drainage of the metropolis and the purification of the Thames, and it was possible to un dertake the one without carrying out the other. The words he had proposed imposed on the Metropolitan Board of Works the necessity of proceeding with the ' necessary works for both these purposes. Mr. STEPHENSON said he was rather surprised to hear the remarks of the hon. member foe Newcastle-upon Tyne. It was clear that the hon member had not devoted his mind—professionally at least—to the subject. He divided the objects to be carried out into the main drain age of the metropolis and the purification of the Thames and he said that the one might be carried out without the other. He (Mr. Stephenson) denied that, for if the Thames were to be purified, London must be drained well. He could not concur with the hon. gentleman in thinking that the house would fix itself with any respon sibility by sanctioning a plan which was approved of by the Government referees as well as by the referees of the Metropolitan Board of Works. It was true that the re ports of those pat ties were antagonistic, so far as their ultimate ends were concerned, 'out they both agreed as regarded the adoption of a system of intercepting se were. Why should not the house, before sanctioning the ad vance of a large sum of money, know how the object to which it was to be applied was to be carried out ! The only difference with regard to the System of intercepting sewers was with regard to their size, a question which the Metropolitan Board of Works woul I have to consider. Unless the house decided something they would leave the question just where it w as 7 years ago. Every o ne who knew anything on the sub j ect a greed that a system of interceptingsewers was the best. The o n ly d i ff erence e b a e l t l w t ebeenmt so,he two wee ae to the committees outfall, o e reference, h wbeter it shoull if he mi g ht be at Barking Creek or Sea Reach, a question which he thong it n w ot eu t l e d be be b d e e t c te id r ed ieet b t y e tghoe tOO 0 0u fe re r now. He t down the river at present. The p lan of the Gove rnment referees Board of Works woul d cost thr ee million?. involved a cost of six millions, while that of the Metropolitan 1 I t h o o n u e g h h t Suppose that six millions we re s p ent in carrying th e sewage down to Sea Reach, and the science of deodorisa tion advanced so as to render such an . outfall unnecessary, and when sewage would be made available g riculturel fora purposes, a largo expenditure would ha v e been uuneces. sarily incurred. Another plan had been put in forward, that of deodorising at the mouths of the sewers the Thames. That system was not adapted to me et th e in creese of the rustropolie. The sewers in the lower l e vels of London were built c f a size to suit the cx ent of the metropolis when they were made, bnt as the metropolis extended towards Hampstead and Highgate, the sewers must be pralonged, as more sewage would come down , and if the sewers in the lower level's were even now in adequate, how much more so would they be as London extended. Wheu a storm of rain came on after a few weeks' dry weather there was a flush of water in the sewers, and it would pour into the Thames, and any deodorising machinery would be inadequate, and things would be in the same condition as tbey now w ere. These were the reasons why he preferred a system of intercept ing sewers, and that after years of inquiry into the sub ject. He hoped the house would allow him to recur to an attack which had been made on him in the early part of the sitting by the hon. member for Brighton. He knew the source from whence that attack came, and it merited only indifference on his part, and he hoped that h:s professional position—(bear, hear) —would excuse him I from being obliged to go into professional matters in connexion with that subject. But there was one other part of the attack to which he wished to advert. The hon. member for Brighton spoke as if be (Mr. Stephen. son) was the engineer of the Victoria sewer. Mr. CONINGHAM—I said the estimates were yours. Mr. STEPHENSON said he bad never made an esti mate for the Victoria sewer in his life ; and he called on the hon. gentleman to withdraw the word " false," as applied to those estimates. As regarded the sewers, all he had to do with them was that he unfortunately was placed on the Metropolitan Commission of Sewers, which was a very thankless office. The hon. member fur Brighton drew a conclusion, as be thought most illogically, that whereas the estimate for the proposed drainage of the metropolis was three millions, taking his (Mr. Stephenson's) estimate fur the Victoria sewer as a criterion, it would be expanded into, not ten, but thirty millions. To be sure the hon. member was very excited at the thus. (Hear, hear, and laughter.) The hon. member had introduced two estimates which had nothing to do with each other, and with which he (Mr. Stephen son) had still less to do, and he calculated that the drainage of the metropolis would cost thirty millions. The hon. member challenged him to a mathematical contest, and he had abused Mr. Bazalgette's nlan, and accused that gentleman of absolute falsehood. That that was not the case he (Mr. Stephenson) would pledge his honour and character. This was only a part of the system pursued by Mr. F. 0. Ward for year., and he (Mr. Stephenson) declined the challenge, and would not meet Mr. F. 0. Ward in a mathematical contest. The hon. gentlemen had accused Mr. Bazal gette of using felse formulas, and he (Mr. Stephenson) denied that the formulas were falsified; there might have been error, but that did not justify the term false ; but he denied that there was error. Another accusation of the hon. member was that of a falsification by Mr. Bazal gette with regard to pipe sewers. He (Ur. Stephenson.) knew that stoppages did take place in pipe sewers. Then there was the accusation against Mr. Bazelgette of going to the sewers at 12 o'clock at night, and he said no honest man ought to have been there at that hour. If attending to business at 12 o'clock at night was to be made an accusation against a man, what was to be said of the members of that house? (Hear, and laughter.) He (Mr. Stephenson) had often been at wor k a ll n i g ht, and in this instance Mr. Bazalgette only went to the sewers at that hour from a sense of duty. (Hear.) The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER was not surprised that the hon. member for Whitby should have entered into these details, and have made the remarks which he had, after the speech of the hon. member for Brighton ; but as both hon. gentlemen had had oppor tunities of expressing their views, he hoped he might remind the committee that this discussion had nothing to do with the clause before them. (Hear, hear.) Mr. CONINGIIA.M said that the hon. member for Whitby had treated the statements he had made that morning as if they had emanated from Mr. F. 0. Ward ; but he would remind the hon. member that the state ments were quoted from Parliamentary papers, and that the charge against Mr. Bazelgette had never been re futed. He could not allow the hen. member for Whitby to screen himself behind his professional reputation. (" Order, order," and chair.) The CHAIRMAN begged to remind the hon. member that the question was the omission of certain words in the clause. (Hear, hear.) Mr. CONINGHAM said the hon. member for Whitby bad referred to the clause, and had, to a great extent, confirmed his (Mr. Cuningham's) statement, for he said that during heavy rains deodorisation was impossible, and if deodorisation was brought to anything like per fection, gigantic sewers would be unnecessary. Sir B. HALL said that two opinions bad been ex pressed by the different members; one was that no money ought to be advanced to the Metropolitan Beard of Works till the plan proposed was known, and the other was, that the whole execution of the plan ought to be given up to the Metropolitan Board of Works. He was of opinion that the whole matter should be placed in the bands of the Metropolitan Board of Works. (Hear.) He would not enter into the consideration as to whether they were to proceed by intercepting sewers or tubular drains, or by the plan of one engineer or the other ; but the question was whether the house should or should not throw all the responsibility on the body delegated by the ratepayers of the metropolis. That he thought was the best course, and so to leave the Metro politan Board of Works to adopt such plan as they thought fit. After a few words from Mr. HEADLAM and Mr. ATa TON, Mr. COX complained that no answer bad been given by the Government to a question be had asked, whether public buildings were to be subjected to the rate, and what was to be the area of rating ; and he would divide the committee on every clause until he got an ant ver. He also wished to know whether the Metropolitan Board of Works had not agreed on a plan and submitted it to the Government. The CHANC ELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that the inquiry tf the hon. gentleman was no doubt an im portant one ; but it had nothing to do with the clause ; but as the hon, gentleman thought that he had been de ficient in courtesy in not answering his question, he might perhaps say that when the hon. gentleman put the question the house was not in committee, and he (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) had already spoken. Ile might state to the hon. gentleman that the whole. ques tions of the rating of privileged buildings had beeu in quired into by a committee, which had reported on the subject. So far as the Government were at present ad vised they agreed in the recommendation of the commit tee, and they did not approve of any buildings being pri , vileged from rating. (aear.) It was their intention to deal with the subject, but it ought to. be dealt with ge nerally, and not effected by a side wind in the clause of a bill which referred to one kind of rating. There was no intention by this clause to effect the object of the hon. gentleman, but the whole subject would be consi dered. As to the area of rating in the present case, it would be the usual metropolitan area. Mr. W. COWPER said that if the second clause was to be agreed to, he would c )nsent to adopt the wor d s proposed by the right hon. member for Marylebone, but as ho was about to move to expunge that clause, he pre ferred the words of the hon. member for Newcastle as more general, and not referring to any particular plan. Mr. PULLER said if the Government carried out their declara'ion that it was not their intention to im pose any plan on the Board of Works, the second clause must go. They would have adopted such a system of sewers and works ae might be necessary to prevent the sewage from passing into the Thames near the metro polls, but there was not any provision to prevent the sewage when it had got int) the Thames from being brought back into the metropolis. They must add to the first clause such words as would impose on the board not only the duty of preventing sewage from going into the Thames within the metropolitan boundaries, but to prevent it from coming back, or they must adopt the amendment of the hon. member for Newcastle. Mr. TITS said the b 11 appeared to be drawn with reference to a distinct plan, and he thought all the ob jections which had been raised would be met by the omission of the word "sewers," for the clause would then stand thus—" acc3rding to such plan as to them may seem proper, the necessary works"—which would inc' ude sewers if the board should think them necessary, but would leave the question entirely open. Lord J. MANNERS thought the clause as it at pre sent stood was best adapted to carry out the views of the committee. (Hear.) 17. - .111r:uTO:T Lod:A Lu. fricad (Ur. Headlam) would not divide, but if he did so he should feel bound to vote with him. Mr. BYNG supported the clause, in order to leave the responsibility with the Board of Works, and not to commit himself to any particular plan. Mr. AKROYD said the clause would give power to the Board of Works to pour the whole of the sewage into the river Thames wherever they might choose. He could see no reason for pouring the whole of the filth of London into one place, such as Barking Creek, and thought some plan ought to be adopted for deodorising the sewage. . Mr. HUDSON rose to order, ard submitted that the hon. member was discussing a plan not before the houBe, instead of confining himself to the clause. Mr. AKROYD said the question was whether the sewage should be carried without the bounds of the me tropolis. (Hear.) The committee which had been sit•• ting on the subject had made:many valaable suggestions, and he thought their proceedings would be rendered en tirely useless if the Mouse legislated before hon. members had the opportunity of examining the evidence. It was his intention to vote for the aatendment of the hon. mem ber for Newcastle. After a few words from Mr. GRIFFITU, Mr. GARNETT said the diffical. y in 'which the house was placed was caused by the unsatisfactory proposition of the Government. The house was called upon to en• dorse the Metropolitan Thard of Works' plan, and to guarantee 3,000,000/. to be laid out in executing that plan. Eithkr the board or the Government ought to have power to deal with the question. But the bill was nothing less than a daring attempt to amalgamate the authority of the House of Commons with the power of the Board of Works. (Hear.) It was his intention to vote against every clause of the bill. Mr. YOUNG did not think it fair to introduce words by which, if the plan should fail, the house might be charted with having sanctioned it. The committee then divided. The numbers were— . 33 . 81 . -43 For the amendment Against Mt‘jority ........... The clause was then agreed to. On cause 2, "Points of ou tf a ll, &e.," an amendment was propo?ecl at the end o f th e clnuse, providing that "the b oar d may in ice ou fa!ls at any point or points within either cf the parishes of Kensington or Fulham on the left back, and any point not higher up than the river Lea on the left side, not Deptford on the right side." Lord EB R I NGTON protested both against the clause and the ame n d ment, as it would be comm i tt i ng t h e h ouse to a view as t o t h e best mode of purifying the Thanies and effecting the In tin drainage a the metropolis, and thus cause the hon=e to be held responsible for every thing that might be done under the clause. Mr. WINGFIELD obitcted to the second clau. , e. Sir J. SHELLEY sail the clause would ho better with the amedninent, but it would be bettcr still to strike out the clause altogether. Ile hoped the house would wash their hands of the whole thing and leave the re sponsibility on the Metropolitan Board of Works. Mr. CONINGRAM said, as be should vote fer the re jection of the whole clause, he should not press the amendment of which he hail given notice. Mr. CUBITT remarked that if he understood the clause aright, they might deodorise anywhere and die. charge where they pleased, provided they deodorised during the whole year. Mr. AKROYD thought the best mode was to get rid of the clause altogether. After some further discussion, Lord J. MANNERS said the first part of the clause was put in as a safeguard to the inhabitants on the banks of the Thames. The second paragraph was inserted as a safeguard against a nuisance derived not from sewage but from the matter deodorised. The Go 7croment had no great wish as to the amendment, which was to relieve fears which were perhaps rather exaggerated. The 26th clause, he thought, would afford a sufficient safeguard, an , l if it did not it could easily be altered to be effective for that purpose. Sir D. NORREYS objected to making the house deo dorisers. If the right hon. gentleman wanted six millions instead of three, he might have it, so far as he was con cerned, but he thought the house ought not to pledge themselves to a particular mode of drainage. Mr. AYRTON appealed to Government to strike out the clause. Ile had studied all the blue-books on this subject, and their appendices, and the only thing he was sati,fied about wa-, that they must have the intercepting system. That would take several years to complete, and by the time it was completed they would perhaps have arrive& at a practical solution of what they were to do with the sewage. After a few observations from Mr. PULLER, The amendment was then withdrawn, and the clause was struck out. Clause 3 was agreed to without amendment. Oa clause 4, " power of taking land to apply for the purpose of deodorising works," Mr. CONINGLIAM moved an amendment, to pro vide that the works should be beyond the metropolis. Lord J. MANNERS thought the widest possible dis cretion ought to be left to the Board of Works. Mr. TITE denied that deodorising works need be offen sive, and quoted the evidence of Mr. Wixstead to that effect. Sir J. SHELLEY observed that unfortunately what ever one scientific witness said was always contradicted by another. (No, no.) Sir. C. BURRELL said that the works at Chichester were not found to create the smallest nuisance. The clause was agreed to. On clause 5, " The Metropolitan Board of Works may appoint a committee for the purposes of the works," Mr. ROUPELL moved as an amendment that the number of the committee should be nine instead of 15. Sir B. HALL hoped the noble lord would strike out the clause, the Board of Works having already the power of appointing committees for any purpose, provided that such committees repor,ed all their acts to the Board of Works for its approval. The number of the committee ought, at any rate, to be much larger than six, but the precise number bad better be left to the board. (Hear.) Mr. S. WORTLEY agreed that the clause ought to be omitted, and be believed that Mr. Gladstone and Sir J. Graham were of the same opinion. Lord J. MANNERS was willing to substitute fifteen, the number suggested by the metropolitan delegates. The Board of Works would of course determine on the plan, but when it had once done that, it would be far bet ter to leave the carrying out of the plan to a committee. Besides, the clause left theappointment of such commit tee entirely to the discretion of the bate,. Mr. AYRTON supported the suggestion to omit the clause . Sir J. SHELLEY likewise objected to the clause. Mr. S. WORTLEY said that when the committee was once appointed it could not be modified, however much the opinion of the board itself might have changed. L , rd J. MANNERS agreed to omit both this and the following clause. (Hear, hear.) Clauses 7 and 8 (money clauses) were agreed to with out discussion. On clause 9, "The Treasury may guarantee payment of moneys borrowed," Mr. ROUPELL moved to add the following proviso : —" And no such payment of principal or interest shall be so guaranteed by the Commissioners of her Majesty's Treasury, except upon a certificate of such officer as they shall appoint, that the works from time to time con structed by the Metropolitan Berard of Works for the purification of the Thames, and for the improvement of the drainage of the metropolis, have been in all respects designed and executed conformably to the provisions of this act." Lord J. MANNERS said the proposal was a some what Irish one. (Hear.) Money was wanted to execute works, and the hon. gentleman proposed to give the gua rantee which woold be required for raising that money after the works themselves had been completed. (Hear.) The proviso was negatived. Mr. AKROYD then moved to omit the claire which seemed to him to introduce quite a new principle. Other towns carried out necessary improvements without trou bling Parliament, and he could not see why London, the wealthiest city in the world, should come there begging for the aid of a Government guarantee ? But that was not all. Even conceding that there should be a guaran tee, be objected to the amount. They had it in evidence that the deodorisation of the metropolitan sew age might be effecced for a far lees sum than three millions. Mr. Cooke, the chairman of the I,,icester Sewage Company, had deposed that the works re quired for a population of 100,000 would cost about 6,0001, and that the plan might be applied to the me tropolis. He (the hon. member) was satisfied that not more than 200,0001. was really required ; why then should they guarantee three millions? The evidence to which he referred was not yet before hon. members. The CHAIRMAN—Then it was quite irregular to re fer to it. Mr. AKROYD bowed to the authority of the right hon. gentleman ' • but he prateited a g ai ns t p rocee di ng any further with the subj-ct until the horse was in pos session of evidence 6f so much importance. (Hear.) Mr. NV. WILLIAMS was surprised at the observa tions of the hon. gentleman. The metropolis did not want the Government to risk a farthing by it. (Hear.) Mr. HAMILTON said there was hardly a municipal institution in the kingdom that had not borrowed money through the Exchequer Commissioners. (Cheers.) There was no risk in giving the guarantee—the only object of which was to enable the Board of Works to obtain the money on easier terms, there being in the country a largo amount of property which could only be invested in Government securities. (Hear, hear.) The clause was then agreed to, as was clause 10, " Securities transferable by delivery." On clause 11, " Money borrowed under the act to be applied only to works under the act," Mr. lIE'ADLAM moved the following proviso : "Provided al ways, that it shall be lawful for the said Metropolitan Board of Works to expend a sum not ex ceeding 10,0001. in experiments, with the object of de termining the most efficient means for carrying into txe cation the objects of this act, or any further sum, with the sanction of the commissioners of the Treasury ; and in making any such txporiments it shall be lawful for the said board to use powers conferred upon them for the purposes of this act." Sir J. SHELLEY thought it objectionable to spend any n.ore money in experiments. It they offered a bonus of 10,0001. the board would be completely overwhelmed with new schemes. Lord j. MANNErts said that the board had all the power that was necessary. He hoped the amendment would not be pressed. After a few words from Mr, BUTLER, The amendment was negatived without a division. On clause 12, Sir B. HALL suggested one or two verbal amend meats, which ware agreed to. Mr. D. GRIFFITH thought it desirable that the Government should have some control over the expen diture of the money. Things might go wrong under the management of the Nierrnpr , litan Dian], and tc was an koluteiy essent►al that Government should have th• power of interfering. He moved the following addition to the clause :—" And should such report so laid before them by such inspecting engineer cause the commis sioners of her Majesty's Treasury to entertain serious doubts as to the eligibility of the course taken by the Metropolitan B-ard of Works to effect such drainage, it shall be lawful for the commissioners of her Majesty's Treasury to suspend the further issue of bonds, deben tures, and other securities, on the part,of the Metropo litan Board of Works, until the opinion of Parliament shall have been taken on the points at issue." Mr. HAMILTON objected to any further responsi bilay being thrown upon the Government. The very principle of the bill was to give the whole power to the Metropolitan Board. The amendment was negatived, and th• clause was agreed to. On clause 14, which provided that the rate shall be called "The Metropolitan Main Drainage Rate," Mr. W. WILLIAMS said that if the rate were assessed in the same way as the poor -rate it would produce the greatest inequality, there being a difference of as much as 57 per crot. in the assessment of different parishes. It was desirable that the county rate assessment should be adopted. Sir B. HALL said that the Board of Works was authorised to issue their precept for the rate ; and the basis on whloh they assessed was that of the county rate. Sir D. NORREYS said that by certain words in the clause it would appear that the rate was to be levied on the poor rate assessment. After a conversation, Lord J. MANNERS promised to introduce some alteration in the clause on the report. Mr. JOHN LOCKE c)n,idered the clause as it stood unobjvcionable, provided it was understood that the rate was to be levied on the county rate assessment. After some further discussion, Mr. WILLIAMS aprevsed an opinion that as this was a permanent work, the ground landlord should bear the burden of it. The clause as amended, and also the clauses down to clause 25 were agreed to. On clause 21, General CODRINGTON proposed to add the follow ing words :—" That the Metropolitan Board, for all works to be carried on under this act, shall first obtain a certificate in writing from the Thard of Trade, stating that in the opinion of such last-rnentior;ed board the works proposed to be carried into effect by the said Metropolitan Board are not likely to be or to create a nuisance." Mr. HENLEY said such amendment would give a veto to the Board of Trade over the whole r.ffair• As to the sewage cf Lclidon being a nuisance, the town of Woolwich had laid out a large su•n of money in drain ing into the river, so as to be a nuisance to the metropolis. If any wrong were done under this bill, parties aggrieved could take proceedings in the Court of Chancery. Sir J. SHELLEY thought that some body should have the power proposed in the amendment. In the Smoke Nuisance Act such a power was given to the Home Department. Ile did not think the right of gi.iug to the Court of Chancery against such a powerful body as the Board of Works would be effective. Mr. LIENLEY said the Smoke NU/NatlCo Act was in restraint of a common law right, and therefore power was given to prevent frivolous indictments. Sir B. HALL thought that the Government should consider the matter, for persons would not risk proceed ings at law, but a simple suggestion from a Secretary of State might stop a nuisance which otherwise would not be abated without spending hundreds of thousands or thousands of pounds. Mr. AYRTON thought the clause was sufficient as it stood. Mr. COX believed that this was another attempt to introduce the system of having a veto on the proceed ings of the Board of Works. Ho thought that the clause should stand as it wa.. Lord J. MANNERS said if there were a nuisance it would be against a locality, and it would not be an in dividual merely who would have t 3 take proceedings. The suggestion made, however, was worthy of consi deration, and he would look into the matter. Mr. WILLIAMS thought that the towns on the banks of the Thames up the river should be compelled to deodorise their sewage before it went into the Tnamcs. Sir B. HALL suggested that the clause should givo the local authorities power to interfere, and if they did not do so then that power should be reserved to the Secretary of State to direct proceedings. General CODRINGTON hoped the Government would consider the suggestion just made. As to Wool wich that town bad suffered considerably from the sewage of London being forced into the river. The clause was agreed to, as wore also the remaining clauses. It was then proposed by the Government to add a clause, saving the rights of the Board of Admiralty. Mr. AY RTON objected to the clause. He did not sea what the Board of Admiralty had to do with the matter. General CODRINGTON said that the Admiralty had a veto on the proceedings of the Conservancy. Lord J. MANN ERS explained that the clause had been copied from the Conservancy Bill. Mr. AYRTON believed that the clause would give the Admiralty an absolute veto on the whole works. Mr. COX suggested that the clause should be printed and brought up on the report. Sir J, SHELLEY also thought that the clause should he brought up on report, and they would then see what the Admiralty meant. Mr. COWPER said the Admiralty's powers extended only to the navigation. Lord J. MANNERS said he would adopt the sug geit'on made, and withdraw the clause for the present. The clause was accordingly withdrawn. General CODRINGTON moved to insert after clause 3 the following :—" That the plans of the intended works shall be open to public inspection fur one calendar month before the commencement of the works at some convenient place within the metropolis ; and public notice shall be given by the said Metropolitan Board of the time and place where such plans can be so inspected." Lord J. MANNERS objected that the proviso would occasion co❑fusion, and it was then put and negatived. Mr. ROUPELL moved the following clause :--" The Metropolitan Board of Works shall, in the month of June in every year, make a report of all their proceed. ings in relation to the main drainage of the metropolis, and shall,'in the said mouth, send a copy thereof, to gether with an account, in detail, of all sums expended during the preceding year in execution of the works authorised] by this act, to one of her Majesty's principal Secretaries of State, which shall be laid before both houses of parliament within one month after the receipt thereof, if parliament be sitting, or if parliament be not then sitting, then within one month after the mxt meet ing of parliament." Sir B. HALL said that the object of the hon. gentle. man was already provided for by the existing act. The clause was withdrawn. Mr. AYRTON proposed to add a proviso, that if the Board of Works shall raise and pay the money borrowed under the act from any other sources of revenue which may be at their disposal for that purpose, it shall not be necessary to make or raise the metropolis main drainage rate. There were several sources of revenue in the me tropolis independent of the main drainage rate which would be applicable to and sufficient for the objects con templated, and he desired to reserve the claim of the ratepayers to those sources. The question would at some future tune come under discussion, and he eves anxious that they should not be met by what might ap pear as a pledge. Lord J. MANNERS feared that such a clause would decrease the value of the security of the rate in raising money for the purposes of the act. The clause was negatived. An HON. MEMBER moved to add at the end of clause 5, " that it shall be lawful for the board to elect one of their number to act as deputy-chairman, who shalt re ceive a salary of 5001. per annum." This amendment was agreed to. The preamble was passed, and the house resumed. CIVIL BILLS, &c. (IRELAND) ACT AMEND- MEN T BILL. Thi• bill as amended was agreed to, and ordered to be road a third time to-morrow (this day). THE JUDGMENTS (IRE LAND) ACT AMEND- MENT BILL. The house then went into committee on this bill. Mr. WHITESIDE moved an amendment to the effeci, that nothing in the act should extend to any suit com menced before the let inst. Mr. P. O'BRIEN objected to the amendment, on the ground that it protected the judgment against James filadleir, to the prejudice of the Tipperary Bank. Mr. WHITESIDE did not think the case of the Tip perary Bank, though a very hard one, should be specially provided for in this bill. Mr. J. D. FITZGERALD considered the bill a dan gerous one, and he and Sergeant Deasy intended to op pose it on the second reading, which was passed by ac cident. After an explanation from Mr. Whiteside, and a few words from Mr. P. O'Brien and Mr. Malins, Mr. ROEBUCK appealed to the Attorney-General for Ireland to withdraw the proviso; no possible danger could arise from his doing so. Mr. WHITESIDE consented. The proviso was then withdrawn. The several clauses were agreed to. The Militia Act Continuance Bill passed through committee. MILITIA (SERVICE ABROAD) ACT CONTINU- ANCE BILL. The house having resolved itself into committee on this bill, The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER (in reply to a question by Mr. V. Smith) said this was a bill to revive and continue the law which ex2ired in 1854. The recruiting had been continued with great spirit, but it was expedient that new levies should not be immediately sent to India. It was advisable that the Government should have the opportunity of availing themselves of seasoned veteran troops, and it bad been thought sxpe• dient to pass a law which would give them the power of employing such veteran troops unt►l the new levies should be ready for duty. The Government reserved to themselves the right of sending out such additional troops to India as might be necessary. Mr. ROEBUCK said at present promotion was in the hands (f the lords-lieutenant of c)unties, and it was stated that a great deal of favouritism had been displayed. He thought it would be much better to place promotion in the bands of responsible officers , . Gen. PEEL said that a royal commission bad been appointed, and the whole subject would be fully con sidered. The clauses were then agreed to. MILITIA PAY BILL. This bill passed through committee. ENCUMBERED ESTATES (WEST INDIES)A r LiLL. Tuid bill passed through committee. CORRUPT PRACTICES PREVENTION ACT CONTINUANCE BILL. Mr. WALPOLE proposed that they should now con• eider this bill as amended. ("No, no," and "Too late.") Nearly all the points had been settled. The bill was only a continuance bill, and he proposed to confine it to that, omitting the amendments that had been proposed. Mr. ROEBUCK said he should move to omit the first clause of the bill. It provided for the payment of tra velling expenses, which would give a great advantage to a rich candidate. He had heard of cases in London where cabmen had been hired on these terms :—"I'll give you a guinea for every voter you bring." This was not bribery, but merely making the cabman an agent. Suppose one thousand cabmen were engaged on those berms. (Hear, hear) He considered that voting was a public duty, and that the voters ought to bear their own expenses. Every one knew the old saying —"I have bought you, and I will sell you." He considered this part of the bill a most mischievous one ; it would neutralise all the rest, and strike a blow at the indepen dence of that house. (heer, hear.) Mr. LYGON supported the clause. Mr. WALPOLE said the house had i'ecided by a large m jority that it was desirable to settle the question as to the iegality of travelling expenses. This was not a law he wai introducing. Travelling expenses had been alloyed. The SPEAKER, here observed that there was a pro posed amendment to the third line of the clause, which must come before an amendment that the clause be omitted. Mr. STAPLETON was then about to move an amend ment, when The SPEAKER said notice had been given to bring up several clansea, and they mu,t be brought up first. Mr. VANSITTART moved the following clause : "That it thall not be lawful for the c(.l.ector of rates and taxes of any borough or county, or his partner or agent, to act as agent, clerk, or canvasser for, or to be employed on behalf of, any candidate for suet borough or county ; and any such person who snail so offend shall for his said dente be liable to forfeit the sum of 501. to any person who shall sue fur the same, together with full costs of suit." Mr. CRAUFURD moved that the house do now ad journ. He said he was qu:te opposed to the bill, which could not be allowed to pass at that hour of the night. Mr. WALPOLE said ha cJuld not resist that motion at the time (10 minutes pa• t one), but he would fix the bid for the morning sitting of thii day. DRAFTS ON BANKERS' LAW AMENDMENT BILL. Thi4 bill passed through committee. CLERK OF PETTY SESSIONS (IRELAND) DILL. Tail bill was read a third time tiud pa•s;d. NEW WRITS BILL. The house went into committee on this bill. The following proviso was added to clause 1 :—"Pr° - vitied always, that any member of the House of Com mons accepting such office shall forthwith notify i❑ writing to the Speaker his acceptance thereof ; nor shall the said certificate of two members be valid and effectual, unless either such notification shall have been prevhAl.ly so made, or the said certificate shall have re• ceived the counter-signature of such person in attests,. tion of its truth," LAW OF PROPERTY AMENDMENT BILL. This bill passed through committee. ST. MARY MAGDALEN (NEWCASTLE) CHARITY BILL. This bill was read a second time, and ordered to be referred to a select committee. RETURNS ORDERED. BOOTS (AnmY).—On the motion of Col. BOLDER°, an addreas for return of the number of pairs of boots of all descriptions sold at the Tower or Woolwich, by auction, fa from the Ist day of January, 1856, to the Ist day of July, 1858 ; specifying the original cost per pair, to gether with the price obtained at each Fah. And of the number of pairs of boots which are considered not fit to he issued to the troops and are now in store. The house a‘'j )ureed at a quarter to two o'c'ock. CONVEYANCE OF VOTERS. A bill passed through committee in the House of Commons on Friday evening, containing the fol lowing very important clause :—" It shall be lawful for any candidate or his agents to provide convey ance for any voter for the purpose of an election, but it shall not be lawful to pay any money or give any valuable consideration to a voter for or in tespect of his travelling expenses for such purpose." This is an attempt still further to diminish the expenses of contested Parliamentary elections, and to prevent money passing on any pretence whatever from the purse of the candidate into the palm of the voter. We entertain considerable doubt whether it would not have been well to go a step further, and to declare that the cost of bringing up voters to the poll should in no case or shape be paid by the candi date. Indeed, so far as borough elections are con cerned, we entertain no doubt at all, for the voters at such elections always reside in or near the place where their votes are to be recorded, and if they care anything about the result of the election 99 out of 100 of them might easily come up to vote at their own costs and charges, which would only con sist in the expenditure of an infinitesimal amount of shoe leather and half an hour of time. There are few sights more repulsive to us than to see half-a dozen sturdy fellows brought up in a hackney coach from the corner of the next street to the polling-booth at the candidate's expense —knowing, as we do, that these men made the coach a condition pi cc( dent to their voting, and had absolutely refused to exercise their franchise without receiving this most paltfy consideration. We can hardly say that they have been bribed or corrupted, for they really get nothing that a sensible man would regard as of any value whatever ; but they show that they understand nothing of the importance of the franchise to themselves, except In so far as it confers upon them the privilege of a ride at the expense of the candidate or his supporters. It is not at all to the interest of the community that such men should exercise the right of voting, and they might well be allowed to abdicate altogether their political functions. There are perhaps a few poor and in firm persons who could not come to the poll unless conveyance were provided for them, and there are always some voters absent at a distance from home who could not afford to return at their own ex pense ; but all these taken together are compara tively few in number, and it is not worth while continuing the obnoxious system to which we adverted for their benefit. Under the best con ceivable system there will always be some cases of individual hardship, and, however much we may regret their existence, a gigantic evil ought not to be perpetuated for the sake of obviating them.-- Leeds Mercu) y. Country Markets. MANCHESTER-JULY 22. There was a slender attendance at our market this morn ing, and the business passing was very limited. Wheat, all but the choicest qualities, must be noted is to 2s per qr. lower for English, and 21 per 701bs for foreign. Flour a slow sale, at 61 to is per sack under the currency of this day se'nnight. Oats and oatmeal were firm at fully previous rates. English beans is to 2s and Egyptian 6d to is per quarter dearer. BIRMINGHAII-Jurr 22. At the market to-day there was a fair supply of wheat, and a reduction of is per qr. on all descriptions of Eng lish and American took place, and a good deal changed hands. Barley maintained its value, and sold readily. Oats only taken in retail. Beans quite as dear. Peas th• turn cheaper. BOSTON-JULY 21. The market to-day opened with a liberal supply of wheat at about last week's rates. Little business has bees done. In ,pring corn no change. Prices : Wheat, red, 38s Od to 45s Od; now, —s to —s ; white, 43s Od to 47s Od; extra, Ps. Barley, 28s Od to 33s Od. Oats 21s to 30s. Peas, 40 to 42s Od. Beans, 424 Od to 45s Od per qr. NEWARK-JULY 21. At our Corn Exchange to-day there was a good attend. ance of farmers and a large show of grain, which met sk decline of is per qr. Other sorts at late rates. Wheat, white 41s to 475, red 42s to 445; barley, malting 33s to 345, grinding 3is to 345; oats, 12st. 32s to 3Es, list, 268 to 28s ; beans, 45s to 47s ; malt, 6Ss to 72s ; peas, 40i to 425; tares, --s to —s per or. LOUTH—JULY 21. A moderate supply of English wheat, which met a dull sale at last week's rates. Oats and other articles as before. Wheat, red, 393 to 423 ; mixed, —s ; white, 475; barley 32s to 36s ; oats 21s to 27s ; beaus, 40s to 445. GLASGOW-July 21. A fair supply of wheat, but the trade was dull, at about the last week's rates. Little b us i ness done, except in oats for export-24s 6d. has been paid for fine Limerick. EDINBURGH GRAIN-JULY 21. A fair average supply of grain to-day. Sales heavy for all sorts, anti pricos easier. Wheat, on the top, is 6d down, and on the average lid down. Barley, Oa 9d down on the top, and N3d down on the average. Oats on the top were Os 3d down and on the average OA ld down. Beans on the top Is Od down, and on tho average is 7d down. AVERAGES PER IMPERIAL QUARTER. Wheat £2 2 2 6-12th. Do. new -12ths. Barley 1 8 5 3-12ths. Oats 1 8 7 4-12ths. Beans Total Supply and Sales. Wheat 1209 qrs sold 855 qrs Barley 174 qrs sold 120 qrs Oats 1153 qrs sold 940 qrs Beans 53 qrs sold 30 qrs DERBY SMITHFIELD.—JULY 20. Our market was well supplied with fat beasts to-day, with a full attendance of buyers, and the demand was good, at late prices. Sheep and lambs very numerous, and prices unaltered. Fat pigs plentiful, and mostly sold. The following were the quotations :—Beef, 6i to bid; mutton, Gd to Gad ; lamb, 7,id to 84 ; veal, 6,1 tc —d per lb. ' • pork, 4id t o 5d per lb ; rough fat, 49 81 t o Os per 141 b. ; hides, 21 l to 3:;d v ein, ; calf-skins, 4d to 5A LOCAL SHARE MARKET. LIVERPOOL, JULY 21. STOCK EXCHANGE—The market to-day was dull after the opening, but became animated in the afternoon , most of the heavier stock s a d vanc i ng a b out A per cent., clo-ing farm. North British, 121 t i—Birkenheads, 67 I—Midland, 938 / —Leeds Northern, 23 e j -Dutch Rhenish, 58 5 did.— York and North Midland, 36 i—Gravl Trunk of Canada, 9j il--Dovers, 20/ :3—East Lancashire, 90} 91 —London and N or th-W es t ern , 913 $--Sheffield, 36 Chester and Holyhead,' 98 /—Eastern Counties, 12/ 7-1U — Great Western, 49j 50—Lancashire and Yorkshire, 911 2 —Great Western of Canada, 17 —Black b urns, 111 g Berwicks, 221 B—Caledonians, 38i 98. MANCHESTER, JULY 21. STOCK EXCHANGE.—Prices were rather steady to-day, more business done, and, after various fluctuations, closed at a slight advance. Midlands, —Dovers, 20 7-16 — Leeds, 91i—Trunks, 9 11-16 Ditto Dividend Debentures, 11% 3d. to lls. - Sheffield% 3 ib,—Ditto, 61. pref., 11.16 p. —Blackburns, 11.} —Londons, 92. BIRTHS. DE SALTS —On the 21st inst., at Fringford Rectory, the wife of the Rev. H. J. Do Salis, of a son. Llisn—On the 22d inst., at Balmoral House, Avenue• road, Regent's-park, the wife of Robert Lush, Esq., Q.C., of a son. SMITH--On the 2d June, at Mhow, Bombay Presidency, Lady (Lionel) Smith, of a daughter. TOWOOOD—On the 21st inst., at Kensington, the wife of Frederic Towgood, Esq., of a daughter, MARRIAGES. CUTLER—MASON —On the 22d inst., at St. John's Church, Richmond, the Rev, Henry Geo. Gervase Cutler, 8.A., son of Frank Cutler, Esq., of Bordeaux, Captain R.N., to Harriet Anne Dorothea, eldest daughter of Nathaniel Mason, Esq., of Richmond-green, Surrey. SWANSTON—CART—On the 221 inst., at St. James'', Pa''• dington, George John Swanston, Esq., of the Board of Trade, to Charlotte, only daughter of the late John Cary, Esq. DEATHS. BILLING—On the 19th iug., Sarah Pasfield, third daugh• for of W. H. Billing, E y., of Hope, Derbyshire, and formerly of lI.M. Customs, London, aged 26. K ING-Ou the 13th inst., Mr. George King, of the Vint ners' Arms, City-terrace, City-road, aged 67. MAINWARING —On the 14 June, at Llowrah, near Cal cutta, in conseauence of injuries received from a rail way accident, Captain Norman William Mainwating, 731 Regt. N.I. PONSONBY—On tho 20th ifist., at 29, Rutland-gat©, the infant daughter of tho Hon. Mr. and Mrs. Ponsonby, aged 23 days. RANDALL —At her house, 18, Tavisteek-streat, Covent garden, Miss Sarah Randall, aged 80. WILSON--On the 2 fit inst., at 130, Park-street, Grosve nor-square, Carleton Belford, youngest son of Sir Bel ford Hinto❑ Wilson, K.C.8., and grandson of the late General Sir Robert Wilson, K.M.T. LONDON Printed and Published by is.IURDO YOU N , of No. 112, Strand, Printer, at Titd Sul Ulnae, No. 112, Strand, in the Precinct of the Savoy, in the county of Riadlesex, Fri lay, July 23, 1853. TAE SUN, LONDON, FIZID AY EVENING, JULY 23, 1858.