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his the Maniestitint he had - with the Commanding dicers_ of :the Mili t i a- Regiments, learned that some he "them were adverse to it. its Much I , however, as ipefted Much, o f t h ese G entlemen, he cou ld 'hut, in co mp li ment to them, desist from a m ea sure which his p u bli c duty required him to carryf ur_ vont But he would consult their sentiments . an i d their wish es i n the arrangement as far as pussth e Consistently with his duty ; and it was a sati s f ac . lion to hi m to t hi nk, that the redudion he propos. 'ed Would leave the Militia still in a state in which its spirit would not be di m i n i s h e d , nor its charade: Paired—in a state alt oget h er suc h that its Com i'Molders would have no reason to regret the change es Mist should have taken place. It was not . nec the all i n this stage of the business, to g o ~. , ' into h I 'etal. The' number it was proposed to 17 take was 400, out of 68, 000 that were now embodied.— Thus the propo rtion ro ortion that wou ld b e called upon to :tolunteer each Regiment was such, that it bas not likely to deteriorate the part that remain. 'ed. The greater proportion would rema i n , . and may be composed of, or may include those men for ns the Officers had a p re dil e d in.ion.. It was, 'tired, a i at i s f atlion that the Militia was so consti7 111 ,tedi that if its own Officers were to chuse the . seen the y Were to retain, the remainder would be hi hl v l i t'able to the Army ; or if the Officers of the ',HIV wets to seled those they would take, t hose the would remain would be still valuable for . t e Militia. Ti 'e mode of regulating the volunteer ing that he proposed was, that when the quotas for t t he -Veunties should he fixed, and the orders in speci . yg a '. : _tha, quotas they were respectively to furnilehich (1%4/4.'41-Very long, should be allowed to 0 , j -1 "t!r toseled those of the men disposed to v - ', 4ll l‘tt With whom he was most willing to art, -11.14.4 trader them. If the men so tendered should -rn°lllll to four -fifths of the quota of the Regitnent, the y6etnent should be released from all further o c- s at s. - .This regulation afforded the Commanding w ir,the Mains of excluding all intervention that C 1", 14 d iOaliter able to his feelings. If, il,ooofthe term allowed, the on the ex. proportion of four. C — o ths °l .,the quota should nut be furnished, the • ert y of tier. li i) mini ndlng -Officer was to have the l ib erty o me- ir fe a u Ti t at ° io u n e 'half of the Regiment to constitute to h. of the Regiment that was to remain 11 "111 : the other half was to be handed over to ro te ,. a ethentois take from it the proportion . of Vo to ., 'he leers to which it was entitled, the remainder a ; given back .to complete the Regiment. If t, ' titte r number should volunteer than Governme i n J:44 entitle to take, they Were to be reduced to ß t t h e ilt portionPropo by ballot. For example, in a . E o n :" looo men to be reduced to 700, the oi, -11 / l l nding O f f i cer may set aside goo men, to "" no offer could be made, and who were to t o enta in to him without any disturbance whatsoever. pro 114 the wi se , 500 Governtnent would take its tie, and the remainder was to he restored to the tsanntrnanding O ffi cer, to form his Regiment, at the --..ued Establishment. Out of 68,00 ct, the present 1 1 11 :, ° , 411 ,„t °F the effedive Militia, 34,000 were to be 1 i t Z l ige• to remain untouched, as the foundation ' : th e Moot), which would form the whole of the ' l i k en Militia. When Government would have iL elt its proportion of the other 34,000, mit that w d a , am if - fie r ' l l, the remainder would be restored, foto. as i l „. "'the of that proportion were provided si. °tiered at the time - limited; the Regiments -w.f._ Th " , i h i t e/It s Sin undisturbed by any further Ca:10.0; ler". , et out on a proposition that left no ' l4 :t l sY to Commanding O ffi cers; and whatever -4/ablilettooss adaptedtheeffet could not but be des_i_r. j - Milaceal,4 the Regular Attny. The mode he propo sed te d Altogether the best calculated to meet the s ais `. and desires of the persons concerned . _ det ails of t h e ' tit, to enter further into the det . ao se it i: Ineature, unless any Gentleman desired into i r d . be jr;tlJ, particular point. When the Bill shoe tearqueed, he would feel the same desire to at. elloi,t° the suggestions of Gentlemen as he had in 0, ' fi n e the measure in the kit instance ; and above . 1 4 e l.: 4111 4 ht careful not to diminish that spirit ti e eltrisge which 'Wall the most bene fi cial charaderis. ecii-,,,the Militia, and the greatest advantage the trit,VY d erived from those who devoted their at. tie ~.""- I° this valuable branch of the Public Force. Ilili - r e lu i ded with moving for leave to bring in a tot f at 44W ing a certain number of men to volun. ke i tQtri , the Militia into His Majesty's Regular g hunts, , lotralro, I:hitt° oier4l'loPnLtEhes before he proceeded to what he measure, wished to know whe. Ofti e , ( rider had been issued to send Setjeants or Volu n - i i tt/ , the Mi litiaitegirrien ts with a view to this ttrln ly ) ry. tiOtit.... is. C tiIeC HATICILLOtt of theEXCIII. pePti l i o d n itt , no such order had been issued, but that Nye the men should he mad e f or Thaving person s t o re . N when they s h ou ld volunteer.] Lor d the nl t ta then proceeded to state his objettions to Pesd of ellt ,t 4 e* which he considered to amount to a re. th e 1 . ) ;Be Right Hon. Gentleman's former measure, v i.trin ele i ne t AO. and the. moat singular mode of utiiiB 1V 1 p on hits own proceeding that he could reeeloiltyiee• It was a confession that rho De. fr ee fil t h had made no addition to the disposable itlt, wiz, impsnied to a re.intrOdunion of the bal. tsh - to .',loo d, been determined to lay aside; tin 14 4 `..,'lt Militia would be reduced to the, nriginel let, / 14, the vacancies were to be supplied by bal. forte v : w as true the augmentation of the dispusahle qf ifilifr4l desirable-- but it wet not therefore matter *as L , er k nce by What means the augmentation h eeti --, .aKt place. i sven i He argued that a pledge had I'l4 g iven „ , n I 799, by the Ministers of that day, 4 44 in b y°lonreertng ircru the Militia should never reptaiedeff4nrted to. The late Administration had a , it t4 c 111 e pledge, and now these two Governments to l ea f orwisrd to C4nrel the separate promises li ctaii"j li e complained a A Serjeent of the First n ot the 3(1 Regiment or Guards teddy to having al. let wi l l ne , t° his Own Regiment of Militia to 1.11)- " 1 t h e men. The Camel of this Serie4"l, t• w ritte n i ',„ . i 1 . 144 were on rle subject, .1414.1 his instrUC . . 111 44 t o ' tu Send Betjeants 10 thc Militia Ittgl. re .. `lelut. te ive the men who may be dnpubed to l e . , er, •5!,.,, pool ~.4ione of Ali" not atcurd with all the pro. w lilni a r. t "Pett and j,ielieacy mad e about the int set,'-okeels. 1 . 1 . le an . it. presence of these . Recruit. end ir .1 IS had the effect of exciting disobedience du. in (el 1,„ , Inn. The same eifett was }pro_ ,7 1 0e ~,,d 'Ptedin,, t.etit down to 11,e Regiments fur . • ‘.1:14 t • rtn l ''' Y4 drtial, and the execution o f ; . ~~ ff~' rents - nees pitied by rteginiental - COUrts.Marlial, though he allowed the reason. of this order was the alteration introduced into thC Mutiny Bill on the sug. gestion of the Hon. Genttertian near him. Yet the time of sending down Such an order was not so pro. petty chosen for the volunteering, though he al lowed those who were under sentence of Court. Martial were not permitted to volunteer. He complained that this measure would operate as a dired Land Tax, by hastening the arrival of vacan. cies to be supplied. Here the Noble Lord alluded to the first proposition made by the CHANCeLLOR of the EXCII!..QUER to the Militia Colonels at the pri. vale meeting. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, to order, suggested to the Noble Lord himself, the consideration of the general propriety of adverting to these private transadions ; he left to the SpIAKER the - consideration of the Parliamentary form. _ The SPEAKER declared such allusion to be un. parliamentary. Lord TEMPLE then recapitulated his former oh, jedions to the measure, which was most unfair and unpleasant to the Militia. He again adverted to sending the Recruiting Serjeants to the Militia Regiments to aft as crimps. Lard STANLEY considered the measure as un. fair and degrading to the Militia Officers. it was also most unjust to those who hid provided men to serve as substitutes. He insisted on the breach of faith in calling for another volunteering from the Militia. The CHANCELLOR Of the EXCHEQUER himself, in proposing the gradual redation of the Militia last year, had expressly said, that good faith should be kept with the Militia. Could he, with all his eloquence, have seleded no term but that which he was so soon to violate. The Marquis of DOUGLAS declared his deter. urination to oppose the measure in every stage. It was a measure that went to destroy the constitu. tion of the Militia, and every funaion belonging to Militia Officers and Militia Men. It went besides to retard the recruiting for the Line. lie thought it unfelt towards the owners and occupiers of land, that after they had, at an enormous expence, raised this Force, to serve them in their homes, it was turned to other purposes, leaving them a diminished and uncertain protetlion. The uses that had been made of 'our Disposable force in the last and present Wdr, were, in his opinion, but poor causes of satin. faflion at the more abAratt increase of it. • He dwelt on the degrading situation in which the Mili tia Colonels were placed, and the deception put upon them, and upon the Country, which was told, when D tmestic Force was wanted, that Invasion was at hand ; when Disposable Force was wanted, that Invasion was no longer to be apprehended. Alarms were thus diurnally varied, according to the views of intrigue, without . any regard to truth, or to the interests of the Country. , These Volunteers would be very dear recruits, considering the bounty they would now receive, and what most of them had al. ready received as substitutes. Mr. CALCRAFT wished to know, whether the enlistment into the Line was to be for life, and for unlimited service; and whether the quota of four. fifths was to be made out under the direction of the Colonels ?—The answer was in the affirmative. Sir JAMES PULTENEY thought no disadvan. cage could arise to the Militia under the regulations proposed. The retluition of the original Militia was for many reasons desirable, particularly, as is would render the battalions more efr<etive. The greatest part of the glories of the conclusion of she last War were owing to the. Volunteering from the Militia in 1799: he hoped some regulations would be adopted as to the size of those to be received into the Line. Mr. BASTARD spoke with much warmth and indignation against the measure. In his opinion it was a measure that must degrade and humble the Militia to the dust. It tie inclination or disincli. nation of the men were to he consulted, what would become of subordination ? Where would be the checks of discipline ? It was said, that in order to recruit our Military Force, every thing was to be done—Flecrtre ii neiskes Supra:, Acherouta osove6o. It seemed, indeed, that it was Ackerets that was to be moved. 'The good constisional spirit that formerly formed the Militia wa► to be with. drawn. Another, and a vary different spirit, was to assume its place ; over which there was nil longer the same influence, or the same con. ttoul. The mind that formerly presided in that body, that of the landed interest, must cease to influence it ; indeed the proposed change tended to degrade that Most respeetable,description of the coinmunity, and consequently to debase every thing that heretofore derived consequence and considers. lion from theM. Had the toe Administration, most of whom have been charged with imbecility and incapacity, proposed such a measure, what Would have been said of them ? But decried as they were by certain persona, Me should always respect them fur their moderation, and for their regard and tenderness for the Constitution. As to the measure now proposed, it went to disembody the Militia, not to raise men for the Army. He trusted the House would pause and seriously consider, before they gave their sanetion to so dangerous a measure. They should reeolleo what kind of Force the old and Regular Militia of the Country were—they were a Force upon which the Country could best depend for resistance to a Foreign Foe—tor the quelling of in. ternal sedition, and for all the purposes of national defence and security. Alr. FULLER was very warm and enthusiastic in defence of the proposed measure. He was. sur. prised that any man of spirit would throw out any insinuation or objr(ftion that could damp the mill. Lary ardour of the Country, or raise difficulties in the way of drawing out our military resources. Much hail been said, about arming the Peazantry of the Cou n try : were we not known to have soo,ooo men in arms, and with such a force, what had we to fear ?—especially, what could we fear from she vain and boastful threats of a puny Bantam Enemy ? The CH4NC4LLOR if the ,EXCIIEQUER felt very little necessity to\say any ihing in reply to the aiguments . advanced against the ineosure. It proposed no more than to leave it at the disposal of .the Commanding Officer, to heteet what men were , +n oat Willing, and beat able to yoke AU elfeBnal ad dition to the Army. As to the pledge to which two FRENCH .AND DUTCH PAPERS. NEW CONSTITUTION OF HOLLAND. HAGUE, MARCH, 17.—0 n Friday last, in the Legislative Assembly, a Letter was received from the Diredory of State, pruposiog, 1. That the new Plan of Constitution for the Batavian Nation shall be laid before the People for their assent or dis. sent ; provided, 2, That on the eventual accept. ance of it, the proposition shall at the same time be Made to the Batavian People, to accept as Pension. ary, RUTGER JAN SCHIMMELPCNKINCK, i!,vettea with such power and authority as is prescribed in the Plan of the Constitution ;. and 3d, That the Dire dory of State, in pursuat;ce of the Cl tuses contained in the Decree of September 14, 1804, shall submit the one and the ether to the Ltataviao People. This letter was referred to a Commit tee of nine Members, among whbm was Ds LANos VAN WerioAtapEN i and the propositi on was i n t h e mean time, ordered to be printed for the use of the Members. The Plan of Constitution consists of 29 oclivo pages, divided in to e i g h ty . ser en A rt i c l es, the first 'nine of which contain general limitations :.{roan Article ten to fourteen inclusive, the territorial di vision of the. Republic is fixed, which, 'at hitherto, it to form 8 Departments, again divided into Ar. toodissetnents:or Dist rins, which are settled law,by the exercise of suffrages to continue provisionally on the present footing. It also proposed that no Ecclesiastics, of any persuasion, 6hati be cligil)lz to offices of political G'overnment, and that the Mili tary shall only have a right to vote at the piece of their established residence, and not where they May lie in garrison. Articles 1 s to 37 inchhive, treat of the Legis lative Body, the wit- of which is to be—ltistrt HIGH MIGNtENPsEe9, repretenting the Bat,priwit Commonwealth, the iviember, of which arc to 4,10 pt the title Of HIGH AND MIGHTY Lotto S. The so. vereignty Of the People IS to be repre)ent ed by that Assembly, with the Pensionary. To it is to belong the enantnent of laws ; it is to cJnsist of 19 Members, to be elected every three years, and to be nominated by the Departmental Governments, viz. seven fa Holland, one for Zealand, one for Utrecht, and two for each of, (fir gPro. vinces; their qualifications, to be YOlerg i of the age of 30, bon within the right Depittments or Colonies of the State, 411 d liefore their appointment having resided six years in the Department to which they are eleded. The Departmental Givernment nominatea (Jur persons, anti transmits such nomination to the Pen. aionary, who reduces the nu►het to two, from which initner eliets: The Pensionary opens the Asaetir. bly ut Their High Mightiness;..,, when they procerci to the eleCtion .7.f a President from their Bdy; the Assembly to be assisted by a Recorder, thaw from a nomination Made by them of two persons not of their Body, to be transmitted to the Pensionary..,.. All Decrees of said Assembly to be signed by the President, and countersigned by the Recorei-r,— The Members of that Assembly to vote, wittn.ut being charged by, or consulting with, the Depart. mental Governments, to whoM also they are not responsible for their conduit ill the Assembly of their High Mightinesses. The Members of the Departmental Government ' , Secretaries of Stare, Members of the CAincil of State, of the . Council of Finance, and of the Courts of Justice, are not to sir in said Assembly till they have resigned the posts which they filled on their nomination. Slid Assembly debates on no other subjeds than those submitted to it by the Pensionary ; they consent to ur negative them, without making any change or modifies.. tion ; and the. law proposed passing in the ailirma. tive, intimation of it to be immediately given to the Pensionary, he being charged with the promulgation and execution of it. If it be negatived by the As. sembly, it also gives the Pensionary notice of the rejedion, and of the reasons for such rejection, when he may propose it once more, adducing new motives, or making some alteration in it. kt is to that Assembly exclusively confided to deliberate on the greatest estimates of the Public necessities, and all augmentations thereof, to be laid before it by the Pensionary. At his instance it grants, after having' received information from the National Court of J . Osi ' : er, pardon, aboliti o n, or remission of punishment, tdided by iudicisi sentence'; and, out being asSembled, he is quell. feed to suspend the execution of a sentence, but obliged to communicate the matter to the Assembly on its succeeding Session. To that Assembly ex. elusively belongs the right of ratifying Treaties of Peace, Alliance, and Commerce; but the Secret Articles attached to such Treaty are not compre. hended in that ratification, which Articles, how. ever, must not be repugnant to the Public ones, and nut tend to the cession of sny 'ferritory of the Batavia(' Commonwealth ; nor can any Declaration of War rake place bcfore a previous Decree of their High Mightine,bcs, passed on the proposition of the Pensionary. The Assembly to meet twice a year, viz. from April 15 to the Ist of pule, and from the itt of December to the isth of January ; but it may be summoned to meet extraordinarily, as oftervas the Pensionary shall deem it adviseable. One.third of the Members of that Assembly goes out on the Ist of December, anti the day of their with drawing is fixed to the day of first assembling; which withdrawing, for the first time, shall occur on December 1, 1806. For indemnity, travel.. ling expences, and residence at the place of meet. ing, the Members are to enjoy annually the sum of 3000 guilders. The Members whose time has expired, are again eligible ; and, on the termina_ lion of each session, the Assembly is to be closed by the Pensionary. Articles 3S to 61, inclusive, fix every thing re hying t o Inc Pensionary, and contain in substance as follows The , Pensionary, by virtue of—the Constitution, represents their High Mightinesses in all that con.. cerns the Government, and exercises the executive power in their maw. He is dined for five years,' by the majority of the nineteen Members of the Assembly, and may at all times he re.eleeted. The commencement, however, cf the first five years is to take place from the period of the peace with England, computing from the Ist of January of such year. He may resign at pleasure, when, in such or Other like cases, he is to be succeeded, ad interim, by the President of the Assembly of their High Mightinesses, whose duty it is to summon the Members immediately, fur the appointment of a successo% The Pensionary exercises, in no case, any Legis. lative Power; and is excluded from interfering rnatte:l which are cvnfi led to the Tribunals instituted.by law; nor is lie to dispse of the pe. euniary means of the State otherwise than in con, fortuity to law. He appoints a Council of State, of no less . than five, and no mire than nine Members, who must possess the same quAlificationsas the Mem-' bets composing the Asserroly of their High Migh. finesses.; and whom he is obliged to consult lirevi. sus to laying a proposed law before their'Higlz Mightinesses ; he may personally support such law in the Assembly, or cause it to be done by Members of the Council of State io his name. He appoints a General Secretary, and five Secretaries of State for . the departments of 1 1 ` , ..irel4n Affiirs, of the Marine, of War, of Home Affairs, and of the Finance, the latter having under him th`ree counsellors, to assist him. fie alsa appoints the Diplomatic Agents to• Foreign Courti, all the Officers of the Atm ) , and of the Navy, all Fundionaries of the State, arid all the Members of the Tr ibunal4 appertaining to gu 3 t » tors of General Government, excepting those o f the National CJurt. The Fleets 'and Armies of the Bs. tavian Commonwealth are at his disposal ; he con. fern Military Rink ; the security and dignity of the State is to he maintained by him ; the Uninterrupt ed Adminiytrai of justice; the maintenance anti execution of die' Laws ; he is charged with the Su preme Police throughout the whole Republic, as well in Civil as Ecclesiastical Matters ; and appoints the Magistrdres of the place which is the seat of Go vernment. The Pensionary has the chief diretlion of the Na. rional Treasury he fixes the Salaries of the Public FonCtionaries, and grants Pensions, according to the provisoes made by law. He delivers annually a general estimate of the wants of the State to the Assembly of their High Mightinesses, who are to approie or rejeft, but not to alter it. in this esti_ mate is to be an item for objects not susceptible of being specified, and of which the Pensionary disposes for the service of the State, and to indemnify him for supporting his Office with proper dignity, and the payment of the persons employed in his poll. cuter bureau ; nsthing 'else being required of him at the end of the year, than a declaration in his hand. writing, thkt the said sum has been expended ex. elusively for the necessitie s an d t h e interest of the State, without having served to enrich hites , :lf or Noble tnids iTEMI'Lii and . SrAlkativi seemed to allude, as given by him, respeCling the mode of drafting men from the Militia, there was no forfeit Of such a plerlge on the present occasion. He wgs before accused of converting the Militia Colonel, into Recruiting Serjeants, He never had such an intention; much more might he disclaim such an in. tenti,,o in proposing the present measure. Much, however, should be now allowed on account of the extraordinary pressure of the times. ,Parliainent had already decided, that the Militia should be reduced. He had done no more at present than propose how that intention of Parliament should be best accomplished. It was likewise asserted that Officers had been already sent in consequence of the measure now proposed, to seduce and entice Militia men to enlist. This he could not adroit ; yet it was obvious to confess that there might he Recruit. ing Parties in the vicinity of towns where the Mi. litia were quartered, and that eadeivours had been made by them to procure men. But this did not imply any interference in consequence -of .the proposed Bill. If all such attempts were to be suppressed, what would become even of the ordinary Recruiting of the Army ? Undoubted ly it was the wish of Government that the opera. Lion of the Bill should be short and rapid, and that therefore as many Recruits as possible should be gained by it. As to the supposed effect it would have upon the Landed Interest of the Country, what interest could they have, but that by which they were always actuated, to proteet that land of which they were, the natural and best guardians, and to give all possible vigour to the measures shit were devised for that, purpose ? Equally. unfounded was the oh:valor) that it increased the - Taxes on Land, or that the alterations in the Mutiny Bill would be produCtive of any inconvenience arising horn the present measure. Ali those objections might easily be removed in the Committee. He now only pressed the outline of the measure. He wished the Bill to be ptinted, and to be read a second time en Tuesday next. He should not propose committing it till the Thursday following, when the, House, would be in full possession of all its provisions ; and on the Report its prineiples and its provisions might be fully considered and discussed, 1.01111 TEMP LI and STAistLIEY said a ,few words in explanation; after which leave was given to bring in the Bill. The Small Not. Bill was read a third time, and passcd. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER then hrouzht in the new Bill fur Reducift the &c. which was read a first time. On the rsilo , ion that the Bill be printed, some conversation between tha CHANCEL Lok of the EXCHEQUER, Lord TEMPLE, Lord DOUGLAS, Sir J. NEWPORT, and General Norrotr, respeding the probable time which the printing of the Bill might take up ; when, upon the assentor) of the CHAN CELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, who consulted the Officers of the House on the matter, it appeared, that the Bill would be ready for delivery on Satur. day next. It was afterwards agreed, that the Bill should be read a second time on Tuesday next, should it happen to be printed within the time spe. Mr. H. THORNTON deferred till to.morrow his Motion respeaing the Exchange of Lists in the Middlesex Elettion, and the extending of the day whe'n the Committee on the Petition was to be bal. toted for. A new Writ was ordered for the Meelion of a Member fur the Borough of ()hi Sarum, in the room of N. VANUTTAIT, ESL'. who has been ap. pointed Srcresary to the Lord Lieutenant of Ire. latid.--AdjQprned.