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r H the reasons for adhering to the amendments, until they to in the log what it was that caused that suspicion,oy would erhaul had decided upon what should be done with the bills It was not from mere caprice that theyywhich had been initiated in their lordships' house for a vessel bearing the American flag, but there must be settling the question, would scarcely be a convenient a reasonable suspicion that she was not a vessel of the country whose flag she carried belfhoirsewthey could venture as necessary, for, to visit, still less to search herh.tT hoist no flag at all, and in the first place, a vessel mig all you had to do was to ascertain what she was, and if then she turned out to be a pirate, you could deal with her ; or if she was a Spanish vessel, or a vessel belong ing to a power with which you had a treaty, you could deal with her. In the case of an American vessel, or a vessel belonging to a power with which we had no treaty we could not interfere in any manner ; even if she was full of slaves she might go on her way and we could not arrest her. That was the law of the case, and in which the American Government had acquiesced. That being the case, he was at a loss to understand what was meant by British outrages in American waters. He agreed it was desirable to limit the action of our squadron more to the coast of Africa than has recently been the case, rather than direct them to the coast of Cuba. He was satisfied, looking to the spirit of conciliation in which this matter had been treated, that unless the American Government had very much changed since he had to deal with them, we could not fail in bringing it to a satisfac tory conclusion. He would only say a word with regard to an act which had been introduced by him, and was called by his name, but which he believed in Brazil was called the Algerine Act. (Cheers and laughter. ) When he brought in that act he assured the Brazilian Government that nothing woull give him so much pleasure as when the day arrived whey he should move the repeal of that act. He was not sure that the time had arrived yet, but he ho p ed and believedn.. that her Majesty's government, who must ha" th ca e ore sam i formation on the subject, looked forward to object, and that the conduct of Brazil entitled it to con sideration ; and he would only recommend to care the realisation of the hope which he had ventured their to ex press. The Earl of HARDWICIKE said that with regard to any change in the Amerioan government on this ques tion, it would seem that their feelings had become more acute with respect to it. Our squadron had approached - nearer to their coast, and it was not the custom in the time of the noble earl (Aberdeen) for our cruisers to carry on operations on the coast of Cuba. What was the cause of the alteration in the system he did not know. But there had been an alteration ; and believing as he did that the officers of our navy had acted with caution, and at the same time with activity and zeal, yet it was pos sible that they might have overstepped the line which the noble earl opposite desired to see kept, and it might turn out that we were not without some blame in the matter. Great indignation had been expressed by several noble lords that the whole course of the policy of this country, which was to bring about an amelioration of the condition of the African negroes, and for which we bad used such exertions, should have been turned aside ; and just at the time when we believed that was the greatest diminution in the export of slaves, and the greatest improve ment in the cultivation of the soil in Africa, everything should have been arrested and over thrown, and the chiefs of that country induced suddenly to arm against each other with a view to slave-hunting in order to sell negroes to those who required them. The noble earl (Grey) had been very severe on.the government of France. There could be no doubt that on the coast of Africa a process was carried on which stimulated the slave trade, and which was aided and abetted the the officers aad ships of France. But he was bound to say that the course pursued by the French Government was strictly in accorAance with the desire to their lordship. It should be know and understood that those unfortunate beings who were procured for the purpose of becoming free labourers, on arriving on board French ships received the kindest treatment. From that time their manacles were struck off, and their wages began from the time they came on board ; and, except in a few instances, he learnt from papers which he had seen that their condition was totally changed from the moment they came into the hands of the French. They were treated as hired labourers, and dealt with not on the footing of slaves, but of free men. He men tioned this in order to do justice to the French govern went, and he knew that they had declared that if it was proved that the proceeding was calculated to produce such injurious results as had been stated, they were pre pared to deal with it, while steps bad been taken which were calculated to meet the views of this country cn the subject. The Earl of CLARENDON asked if the noble earl had any objection to lay en the table any papers w blob showed what the treatment of the negroes in question was on beard ship. Be bad heard with satisfaction, but at the same time with surprise, the statement of the noble earl ; for it was totally contrary to that which be had previously heard ; for it had been stated, that not only at Liberia, but at other places where French ships stopped with negroes on board, some of them swam on shore, and gave an account of the want of humanity with which they bad been treated. The Earl of HARDWICKE said, no doubt there were great mistakes on the subject. As to the manner in which these apprentices were treated from their cap ture till they fell into the hands of the French, no doubt there was the greatest cruelty shown to them, but their treatment by the French was different from that of in human slavers. If his noble friend wished to see the papers, he would move for them. The Earl of CLARENDON said he would move for the papers. There must be some mistake in the statement of the manner in which these slaves were got. They were got on the east and west coast of Africa. On the east coast they were got by means of agents, but on the west coast they were obtained in the same way a; slaves were usually obtained, that is by means of wars between dif ferent tribes, and by capture; and they only question as to whether they were to go to France or to Cuba was the price given. The French had contracted with the King of Dahomey to furnish negroes at forty dollars a head, but he did not furnish them, because the Spanish agents offered 80 dollars a head. But as far as he had heard, these people, when on board French ships, were not treated in the manner described by his noble friend. It was necessary that they should be treated in a particular way in order to stow away a large number of persons in an inadequate space ; for that reason they were mana cled,.for that reason the hatches were closed and sentries placed over them. All the evidence showed that there was no difference in their treatment and that of slaves in ordinary cases. If these facts were true and were proved, the French immigration of negroes was the slave trade and nothing more, and in consequence of the represen tations of our Government there had been a change in their treatment, it would be a great satisfaction if any papers showing that were produced, and he would move for hem. The Earl of ITALMESBURY thought that no public interest would be served by the production of the papers. They were nothing but a controversy which was going on between the two Governments as to the result of the new French system of immigration of negroes. There bad been instances and places where no cruelty had been used, and where the negroes had been comparatively well treated, and where not so many had been put on board as in other ships. There was no doubt that France bad produced instances showing that much dis cretion had been observed in shipping the negroes and taking care of them afterwards. (Hear.) But that did not affect the main question, whether this could be said to be anything but the slave trade. He could only re peat what his noble friend had said—that the French Government had invariably declared what he believed they intended—that they would not continue the system if they found in practice that it was accompanied by the evils anticipated. Lord STANLEY of ALDERLEY expressed bis satisfaction with the noble earl's statement, and in quired whether the Government were is possession of any dosed showing w h et h er or not t h e s hi p was ca ptured in the Liberian waters. Lie wished to knew whether any correspondence had taken place with the French Govern ment in respect to the re-capture ' • and, if so, whether the noble lord would l ay i t before the house The E on' of MALNIESBURY replied that they had per no information from any official person on the i subject. All the information they had wascon s t letter addressed by Mr. Chillingleam to theeForneiaenpri some Foreign-office. e Lord STANLEY of ALDERLEY hoped c offi cial inquiry would be made as to what were therealcirl coin itances of the case. The subj ct then dropped. THE OATHS BILLS.—ADMISSION OF JEWS TO PARLIAMENT. Lord DENMAN inquired what course it was pro. posed to adopt with regard to the Louis' amendments in the Oa'hs Bill, to which the Commons had disagreed —whether it was intended to send the bill back to the - Commons w i,h an i n timation that their lordships in sisted upon their amendments ; or whether it was pro , posed to wait, until after their lerdship's decision had been taken upon the two bills introduced by Lord Lucan • and Lord Lyndhurst ? The Earl of HARD WICKE replied that her Ma jesty's Government considered the question was one for the house to deal with rather than themselves. So far as they were concerned they were desirous that the bid should go down to the Commons as soon as possible. Lord REDESDALE held that the proper course was to send the bill back to the Commons, from which any proposition for a compromise ought to come, and that neither of the other bills should be entertained until the bill which had been already considered by both houses was disposed of. Lord STANLEY of ALDERLEY thought it inex pedient to send back the bill with the reasons of their lordships for adhering to their amendments until they had considered the other two bills, and determined how . far they could adopt them. The Earl of MALMESBURY considered the more straightforward and dignified course was to intimate at e n n e t e to to the Commons that their lordships could not abandoncon their amendments. There was nothing to bills prevent their doing this, and taking the other two afterw ar d, more convenient ILLE was of opinion that it would be and having to deal with the question altogether, bill s w hi c h had determinedbean introduced What they would do with the two to send back the other bill to the with the amendments. the reasons for insisting upon The LORD CHANCELLOR lord ships that they had by a l arge ma reminded their deterrnineci not to acquiesce in any measure for aydini°crioltnattlng Jews) to Pa- - liareent. and not to consent to an ought ; t but r e l i y f after all there was to be a cornprornbie,PKoriBeh to proceed from the other house. The pro as to send back the bill with the reasons, and the u n n i e f w a noble lord chose to bring forward any measure by which the difficulty might be arranged, it would be competent for him to do so. Lord STANLEY of ALDERLEY observed that the compromise had already been offered in the two bills which the two noble lords opposite had laid upon the table. ("No.") Certainly the object of those bills was to settle this long-contested question—(hear, bear) —sued to send back the other bill to the Commons with course. Viscount DUNGANNON was opposed to any com promise in the matter, objecting upon principle to ad mitting Jews into Parliament. The conversation then dropped, it being understood that the bills referred to would be taken next week, as already arranged. Their lordships adjourned at half-past 8 o'clock. HOUSE OF COMMONS.—(YESTERDAY.) The SPEAKER took the chair at 12 o'clock. PRIVATE BUSINESS. The following private bills were read a third time and passed :--Great Northern and Western (of Ireland) Railway, Limerick and Foynes Railway, Oxford, Wor cester, and Wolverhampto n Railway, Shrewsbury and Welchpool Railway, and Waveney Valley Railway. The following bills were further considered, and ordered to be read a third time :—Hove Improvement, Durham and Cleveland Unio n Railway, and St. Leonard's (Shore- ditch) Parish. GOVERNMENT OF INDIA. The house went into committee on the India resolu tions : Lord STANLEY moved the following resolution : " That the members of the nominated portion of the council shall be selected by her Majesty, subject, as a general rule, to the qualification above expressed, and one-half at the least of the elected members shall pea , sees the like qualification." He said the vote of Monday had placed the house in some difficulty relative to this subject. Not only had the house decided that permanent legislation should take place in the course of the present session, but had fixed the number of the council, and that the manner of electing should not be exclusively that of the Crown. Speaking of the proposition of looking to India for the appointment of a portion of its council, the noble lord said that neither the Governor-General nor the Governor of the Indian presidencies could feel anything but an indirect interest in the efficiency of the Indian council at home ; and, on the other hand, they did and must feel a direct and strong interest in that which was immediately under their eyes, and subject to their management, in the efficiency of the civil and mili tary service of India on the spot. There was the danger that if they trusted to the Indian authorities to select any portion of the Indian council here, it could hardly be expected they would make so great a sacrifice as to deprive themselves of the ser vices of the most eminent and efficient men, but that they would send home men for whom they desired to provide honourable retirement ; and there was a great risk that, under such a plan, the portion of the council so chosen would be made a sort of shelf—a sort of honourable retirement for those whom ' the Governor-General of India had no desire further to employ. If, however, a contrary result occurred, it was quite obvious another result equally as inconvenient would be arrived at—that of obtaining a maximum of efficiency in the council here only at the sacrifice of a maximum efficiency in the civil and military services of India. Against the adoption of that plan there had been a plan suggested by the honourable lord the member for Carlisle. The Government had con sidered that proposition, and they were of opinion it would not meet all the difficulties of the case. Her Majesty's Government considered such a plan as that suggested by the right hon. baronet would be open to many and grave abuses. What was it, then, her Ma jesty's Government proposed ? They thought by the decision of the committee on a former occasion that part of the council should be nominated and a part elected, that the real desire of the council was that the exclusive right of nominating should not rest in the ' hands of the Crown—(hear, hear)—so as to lessen the amount of patronage in the hands of the Secretary of State for India. (Hear, hear.) Her Majesty's Go vernment were prepared to accept the number of 15 councillors, and they proposed that in the first instance eight of them should be nominated, and the remaining seven, following to a certain extent the principle of 1853, elected from among their own number by the Court of Directors, and the subsequent appointments filled up alternately by the nomination of the Crown and by election—the right of election to be confined to the remaining members of the council. Such a plan would get rid of the abuses that sometimes existed in self-elected bodies. Lord PALMERSTON considered that before the committee was called upon to give a vote on this plan, it should be embodied in a resolution and printed with the votes for the consideration of hon. members. He condemned the idea that they were to legislate for India in a different spirit to the constitution of this country. He asked her Majesty's Government and the;comnaittee to deal with this council on the established principle of the British constitution, and give to her Majesty's ad visers the power of naming the council the same as they did the judges of the land, governors-general of colo nies, and other officers, which made her Majesty's advisers responsible for them. He was opposed to any hocus-pocus system of nominating certain portions of the council. By the plan proposed the Crown would have the majority of nominations, and he asked the committee not to depart from the principles of the British Constitution in theory, whilst in practice, by the election of the council, they would adopt it. He called upon her Majesty's Government to come forward and support the principles of the constitution in the creation of the council, and not depart from it in order to obtain a few votes. Mr. WALPOLE said that the plan proposed was not a departure from the principles of the constitution, and reminded the committee that the struggle between Mr. Pitt and Mr. Fox was of a similar character to that now before the committee. He approved of the plan for various reasons, and especially that it would give independence of action to the council more than any other plan. Sir J. GRAHAM said the noble lord, in moving his resolution, had not touched on the tenour of office, the salary to be paid, and other matters—important ques tions that must be embraced in any scheme before the committee could adopt it, especially in one possessing a mixed plan of nomination and election. He thought the committee 'should not this day be called upon to come to a decision on the plan before the committee, which entirely did away with the seven resolutions on the paper. He congratulated the noble lord the member for Tiverton at drawing every debate:closer and closer to the view of the hon. member for Birmingham, and if they went on debating this question much longer he (Sir J. Graham) felt confident the opinion of the hon. member for Birmingham and the hon. member for Sheffield would prevail. (Hear.) He considered India should be governed by a responsible minister, with assistants, He was glad the Government had given up the seventh resolution. The scheme, however, before the committee nearly approached direct nomination, the elective prin ciple being embraced in it. Under the present system the Crown nominated five of the Court of Directors. By this scheme eight were to be immediately nomi nated, and in the choice of the seven, five nominees would exercise a voice in the election. It was exp e di en t th a t t h e sc h eme s h ou ld b e f u lly developed in resolutions ; and he suggested the matter should stand over till Monday, when they should sit on consecutively till they came to a decision on them. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER sub mitted it would be better to let the 6th and 7th resolu tions stand over, and get rid of the remainder at this sitting. By so doing a bill might be introduced this week and read a second time on Monday, when the pro posed scheme for the council, the term of office, salary, lc., could be discussed better than at present, and legis lation for India thereby be completed this session. Mr. BRIGHT said the mode proposed by the Chanceller of the Exchequer was both ingenious and just. He proposed to get rid of the difficulty by their saying nothing more about it -(hear, hear)—and the dropping the resolution. (Laugoter.) Resolutions were determined on to discuss the question, so as not to change her Majesty's Government on a discussion on an Indian bill, but as there was to be no change of Government beftra India legislation had been corn pleted he thought it would be desirable to bring in the bill as proposed as soon as possible. He ap proved of the proposition before the c )meeittee, and he was a' about to get to a second reading of an India Bail that he might address some observations generally on the government of India at home and in that coountry. After some remarks from Lord PALMERSTON, Mr. GLADSTONE said it appeared to be the desire j q , uc wished t t h i o e n, the. to-day, o Hc - d oe r n ay al , of the com m itt ee not to come to a d ec i s i on on th e i (Mr.at t n Gt d e tea t d h n Beot not to Chance n ft ul c i e or tl thought t o ci f fotnthisel consider pr x l at c h h n ee subwq u e r e t r : adopted they ought to drop discussion on the remain ( rig resolutions altogether, and wait for the bill. They were not going to decide on the principle of election or nominatio n , t h e tenure whether they mi g ht have seats in i no parliamtheent o;u nwhether , there should b e a secret committee, veryof salary much lshouldike debteailgsi,vewnere which, and what amount theugh it founded matters of importance, because they were closelyconnected rank, consideration, and dignity ofthe coun cil, with the who were to constitute proposition th of the and the class of men the council. If they `conceded the coun cil they conceded all these points If to the suggestion of t he G overnment in this in e3 st i ancehe agreed s aw no reason for di s c ussin g the remaining resolution s , whicb, to a great extent, were reso lutions of details. ) gentleman, and thought it wou ld b e Lord J. RUSS ELL a g reed with t he suggestion of the right hon. better now to proceed as soon as possible by bill. He looked upon the scheme of the Government as a scheme of nomination by the Crown. He asked an explanation from the noble lord the President of the Board of Control relative to patronage, which would lessen discussion on this point—wh,_ tiler cadets were to b e appointed by com petition ; and whether the council was to have communi cated to them the despatches on foreign affairs, as well as these relating to the internal affairs of India. It was necessary the council should possess a full knowledge of all that referred to India, and some restraint should be placed on their going to war. He should raise discus sion on the bill on these questions if the explanation was not satisfactory to him. He thought the remaining resolutions tuight be reported to the house that a bill might be brought in as soon as possible. Lcrd STANLEY said it was never the intention of her Majesty's Government to take a final decision to-day on the plan he had submitted to the committee, but to give them time and opportunity for its discussion and consideration. (Hear.) He did not consider the mode ti f ow election u proposed was an indirect mode of trial v _, i _ . .tion. The principle of open competition was i' luab le , and might, be beneficial in its results on the ; at the same time, he considered • outs it, a , i on of undertake to do, moreriment, than to give it a lair trial, on a k'ln r 'N, LONDON FRIDAY EVEN! NrO, JUNE 18, 1858. its . scale sufficiently lif A ral to permit being properly and thoroughly tested . The old patronage ought to remain as at present as mu oh as possible. The minister should have a share of it, but the great mass of it should remain in the hands of the council. He could not then give a definite c %pinion as to the second ques tion of the nobl e lord the member for the city of London ; and with reference to war, he thought it would be impossible to lay down any definite plan, because war might arise from local circumstances, which it would be impossible to avoid before a commu nication could be tuade to this country and instructions pent out. He thottght the resolutions before the house had answered the pimp ose for which they were intended. (Laughter.) Enough. had been elicited in debate on this question, on which to it itroduce a bill, and her Majesty's Government were props red to adopt the suggestion and bring in a bill as soon tits possible. (Hear, hear.) Mr. MANGLES app roved of the plan now before the committee. He thought it would work better than a council merely nominated or entirely elected. The secret committee might be abolished to-morrow with ad vantage to the Govern went of India. Their functions were purely ministerial ; they had only to sign their names to documents that came to them from the office of the Board of Control. Mr. AYRTON expressed his satisfaction at the result, so far, of the proceedings of committee. They had learn• ed the view of her Majesty's Government; the noble lord the member for Tiverton, who was gradually coming round to the opinions of her Majesty's Government, and those of the noble lord the member for London upon this subject, and the house would in con sequence be in a better posi tion to legislate on it. Her Majesty's Government ap peared to have appreciated the general views of those who took an interest in Indian affairs. The opening of the Manchester school, if carried out, would be subver sive of the happiness of the people of India,and at no dis tant day they would be found to be subversive to our rule in that country. Those who were greatly interested in the affairs of India had come to a determination that the opinions of the Manchester school did not prevail in the Government of India. Mr. C. FORTESCUE appealed to her Majesty's Go vernment if it was worth their while to retain the last remnant of the electoral system embodied in the seheme of this day. He thought the appointment of the council should be by the responsible Minister of the day, and he hoped that on the second reading of the bill the house would adopt that principle. Colonel SYKES was sorry to find the noble lord the President of the Board of Control had given up the re presentative principle in the formation of the council. Representation and taxation he (Colonel Sykes) consi dered the principle of the British constitution. (Hear, hear.) It was embodied in the constitution of the present Court of Directors, and ought to be extended to this council. The proprietors of India Stock had hitherto well discharged their duties, and if necessary the noble lord might increase the number of that constituency by 4,000, by taking in the retired officers of the Indian service, both civil and military. After some remarks from Mr. Dunlop, Mr. Rich, and Sir H. Verney, Sir G. C. LEWIS thought the noble lord had done right in not attempting to engraft a constituency in the bill, and of limiting the election to a narrow sphere, but he (Sir G. C. Lewis) did not concur in the limited con stituency the noble lord suggested. He considered the far preferable course would be for the Government to name the seven members instead of the present Court of Directors. Lord A.Y.TE MPEST said various important questions involved in the resolutions had not yet been discussed, and he asked her Majesty's Government to give further time for their consideration. Between this and Monday was not sufficient time to consider the important ques tions involved. He was of opinion that a portion of the Council should be elected by an independent con stituency. He suggested that the future discussion on this questi on should be taken at the evening sittings. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER pro posed that if the bill be introduced, as he hoped it would be to-day, to take the second reading at the evening sit ting on Thursday next. (Hear, hear.) Lord PALMERSTON suggested that in the competi tive examination for the cadets, there should be a stan dard established for each branch, but not a very high one, up to which they expected the candidates to come. Lord STANLEY agreed in the main with the sug gestion of the noble lord the member for Tiverton. Mr. ELLICE hoped the house in adopting competi tive examinations would not run from one extreme to another, and lose good officers by requiring too high a standard of education. After some remarks from Lord CHURCHILL and Sir H. WILLODGHPY on examination and finance, the motion was then withdrawn, and the Chairman reported the resolutions pro forma, as suggested in the debate, for the purpose of introducing the bill. The house suspended its sitting at 10 minutes to four o'clock. The house resumed at six o'clock. MR. COMMISSIONER HARGRENTE. Sir E. PERRY, seeing the Attorney-General for Ire land in his place, was anxious to put a question respect ing the Encumbered Estates Court Bill, which was under discussion for some hours on Tuesday last, and respecting which the house was precluded, by the late ness of the hour, from coming to a division. The ques tion he wished to put was, whether her Majesty's Go vernment had since considered the matter, and whether they were still of opinion that it would not be expedient to retain the services of Mr. Commissioner Hargreave in the new court, instead of pensioning him off u p on his 1 full salary. Mr. WHITESIDE sail that since the debate to which the hon. and learned gentleman referred several learned gentlemen had represented to him that the busines of the new court would be very heavy, and bad expressed a desire that Mr. Hargreave should be retained. Under these circumstances, and believing those statements to be correct, he begged to say that, so far as he was able to ascertain, it wets the intention of her Majesty's Go vernment to consent to Mr. Hargreave being retained as a third judge. (Hear, hear.) THE 100TH REGIMENT. Mr. CONINGHAM moved for returns of the total cost of levying the 100th Regiment of the line. General PEEL assented, but it would be some time before the returns could be laid upon the table. The returns were ordered accordingly. SALE OF COMMISSIONS. Lord BURGHLEY asked the Secretary of State for War whether the Commander-in-Chief had the power to direct the sale on the public accoant of such commis sions in the army as are at present disposed of at the Horse Guards without purchase Gen. PEEL—In answer to my noble friend, I think that the General Commanding-is Chief has not the power to direct the sale of any commissions without the sanc tion and authority of the Secretary of State for War. THE NAVY—BREECH-LOADING RIFLES. Mr. H. BERKELEY asked the First Lord of the Admiralty whether, seeing that the marines and small arms men of the American navy are armed with breech loading rifles, by which each man can fire three times for once from any opponent armed with the old weapon —whether any steps have been taken to place the naval forces of Great Britain upon an equality with those of America! Sir J. PAKINGTON said he entirely concurred in what he believed to be the spirit of the hon. gentleman's question, namely that the marines and seamen of the British navy ought to be armed in the most efficient manner, and that any improvements adopted in other countries should not be lost sight of in this. No breech loading rifles had as yet been given out to the British navy, but trials of those weapons had been going on, the result of which pointed to the expediency of some modification. He could assure the hon. gentleman that the subject would receive the attention it deserved. DRAINAGE—IRELAND. On the motion of Mr. LAIRD returns were ordered showing, in separate sums, the remissions made by the Treasury (461,9731. 12s. 11d.), under the Act 16 and 17 Vic., c. 130, of moneys advanced f, r arterial drainage in Ireland to the 31st of March, 1852 ; distinguishing the localities to which such remissions have been made, and the parties who were exempted from repayment ; together with a statetnent of the specific grounds in each case on which the Treasury exercised the power of re mission conferred by the act. COUNTY COURTS. On the motion of Sir J.TIZELAWNEY returns were or lered of the total estimated amount of the fee fund of the county courts for the year 1857, also the total esti mated amount of the salaries of the registrars, and of salaries and allowances to high bailiff , , respectively also the names of displaced registrars, and the amount of annuities by way of compensation granted to each ; also the names of persons to whom compenswions under the Act and 10 Vic. c. 95, have been made, and the amount of compensation paid to each of such persons ; also the amount of expense for providing court-house 4, offices, stationary, and printing, o❑ each of the county court circuit., and the expense of offices in each district court of each cirouit. THE INDIAN RESOLUTIONS—BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE. Mr. Frrz ROY brought up the report on the Indian resolutions, which was agreed to. L n L a oß bil o l f fo t u h n e de E d i v a p il o E n scr s; t h , o in the same. resolutions,Lo L r d ea S vw N L a E sa Y ng , di vaetunhdet:lCrg. bringkF N .t c r E z i abring 0Y were ordered to Lord STANLEY, amidst much cheering, immediately brought in the bill entitled Government of India (No. 3) Bill. The bill was read a first time, and the second reading fixed for Thursday evening next. Sir J. GRAHAM asked the Chancellor of the Ex chequer what the business would be to-morrow (this evening) ? The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that it was not the intention cf the Government to go into committee of supply to-tun - row (-his) evening. They would, in the first place, take the Funded Debt Dill ; after that the Transfer of Land (Ireland) Bill. someil e cv a i s n g l i u v i e ry n h to ad u ( be l e e n rs t r a , : a i( d l a t h r i e tt v iu e l ct rio h ing g thies aGalwaybsonc Disfranchisement Bill. Now, he should be very happy its cuf ion at an to assist the hon. gent l eman who had c h arge o f th a t bill by allowing him full tu ne f ir t early period, and with that vie w l ie wou ld endeavour t,) bring that bill also on io_tn„,r,,m (,his,.) di en The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said the Funded Debt B:ll would be the first order of the day to-morrow. THE COMMISSIONER SIBSI FOR BILL. THE EX.HIBITION OF On the order of the day for the second reading of this bill, The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said the Royal Commissioners, finding themselves in possession (l: a larga surplus fund from the Exhibition of 1851, which they were bound by their charter to devote to the encouragement of science and art, prepared a report on the causes why snch a sum was not at all equal to the wealth of this c , untry, and in that report they attributed the amount of the surplus, only 250,000/. to the want of system, and the want of space for such exhibitions, and stated their opinion that the want of system was due to the want of space. This sum, therefore, was proposed by the commissioners to be devoted to the purchase of land, if the Government would consent to add an equal sum to it for that purpose ; and accordingly a vote was takmd a sum of 350,0001. was ultimately absorbed in the purchase of land in the immediate neighbourhood of Kensington. That course was taken with a view to the public benefit, and under the direct sanction of Parliament. That sane year a committee of this house reported against affording additional room for the recep- tion of works of art on the present site of the National Gallery ; and, therefore, a Royal Commission was issued and reported very much against the present site, and in dicated the open spaces in the vicinity of Hyde-park, which were subsequently purchased as a desirable po=i- ever, that this bill would be discussed in committee in a liberal and fair spirit. Mr. ALCOCK said that if this partnership were to be dissolved, as he trusted it might be, he thought they ought not to haggle about the price of the land. (Hear, bear.) But he certainly thought that every penny of the money paid by the Treasury ought to be reimbursed to them ; and secondly, that if this partnership were dissolved, it ought to he di-s, lved totally and entirely. (Hear.) Lard J. RUSSELL said he did not doubt that is corn- mittee the Right Hon. the Chancellor of the Exchequer would explain the various items which had been objected to in this vote. But he thought the hon. metnberfor North Warwickshire (Mr. Spooner) was mistaken in his view of this bill. The land in question was purchased partly by a grant from the public, and partly from the money col lected at the Exhibition of 1851. The hon. gentleman surely did not expect that the Royal Commissioners who undertook that expenditure, who took the money and laid it out in this purchase, should be obliged to give up the land which had been purchased with this money. The commissioners received this money, which they were con sidered to hold in trust, and they were now disposed to raise the money and repay that which was owing to the State, and taken from the State, and in the next place to lay out such a sum as would enable them to pay for the buildings erected, or to be erected, for the purposes of science and art, a 3 they might think useful. But the commissioners could not do these things without dispos- ing of a portion of the ground, and their purpose was to use other parts of the land for public buildings. He thought the proposition cf the Chancellor of the Exche quer was a right and fair one. (Hear.) Mr. J. LOCKE said the buildings would stand upon ground purchased by the Royal Commissioners, and if the partnership was to be dissolved, he thought the buildings would have to go with the land. If he under stood the proposition, it was that 60,0001. should be set apart by the commissioners, and to be repaid in diminu tion of the capital expended by the house. If that were so, instead of getting interest on their capital, they would not get back the capital itself. He thought they should net have any further connection with the land. Toe Royal Commissioners hod improved the land, and now that the partnership was to be dissolved, they would be entitled to the whole value of it, and also the build ings upon it, and in his opinion it would be well to let the comerii,sioners take those buildings off their hands. The project was that of the commissioners, and not that of the State. He had divided against the expenditure of this public money, and he should now call for an entire dissolution. (Hear.) Mr. DRUMMOND said whenever they discussed the subject of buildings for national purposes, be always found great confusion in the minds of hon. members as to the objects for which they were required. Hon. mem bers coupled together two things, which were wholly dissimilar—science and art. (Laughter.) In science everything was capable of demonstration, but in art nothing was capable of demonstration. In science the country had a direct interest—take for instance, the Geological Museum in Piccadilly, which was the best school of mines in the country ; but had that to do with art ? This confusion caused great mischief amongst those people who got a sort of reputation for understand ing art, though that reputation generally did not last long. They ought to keep art and science separate, for the two things were wholly dissimilar. Mr. CONINGHAM thought this would be simply a dissolution of partnership in name, so long as there re mained any partnership in the buildings. He would remind the house that the Sheepshanks collection was at Kensington, and it was a sort of auxiliary to the National Collection. He confessed that he always viewed proceedings with regard to this matter with the greatest suspicion. As to the National Gallery remain ing in Trafalgar-square, he felt quite satisfied, but he should divide against the clause which in any way con tinued the objectionable partnership between the com missioners and the State. Mr. ADDERLEY wished to remind the house that the Royal Commissioners were constituted in 1851, long subsequent to the date when the partnership between science and art was commenced. The money now to be repaid was advanced by the Government to enable the commissioners to purchase the property, and the part nership then commenced might bo dissolved, although the Government would retain a portion of the land for national purposes. It would be impossible to hand over everything to the commissioners. The schools esta• blished by the Government had greatly benefited the nation, and trade had been promoted. He would remind the house that this debate was departing fcceu the rules of the house ; and a discussion on this subject would be much more regular when he brought before the house the condition of this branch of education. Lord ELCHO said he merely rose to say that he thought the Government had come to a wise decision in not removing the National Gallery from Trafalgar square ; it was desirable that the house should clearly understand the subject before they gave up their power of retaining this site, which might be useful for national purposes. Mr. COWPER thought they could not give up the schools which were established in 1839, and which had been extended over the country. if they gave up these buildings they could have to find others for these schools, and it should be remembered that Mr. Sheepshanks gave his collection to the country on condition that it should be deposited at Kensington. To remove that collection would be a breach of trust. He thought that this department had afforded a most valua ble stimulus to our domestic manufactures, particularly in respect to ornamental designs, in which this country had hitherto been very . much behind ; at the present time, however, so much progress had been made in this respect that persons who had the direction of the art schools in Franca had signified their intention of copy ing some portions of our system which they considered better than their own. (Hear, boar.) Mr. W. EWA RT thought it highly gratifying that the central salved of art which had been established now extended its ramifications throughout the country. Mr. AYRTON said that in the selection of the present site for the museum —namely, Kensington—the labour ing classes, for whose benefit it professed to have been established, had in no way been consulted. Those per sons lived at the east end of London, and he thought it absurb to place the museum at Kensington. He con tended that it ought to be got rid of altogether, with a view of establishing it in a more central part of the metropolis, so as that it might be within reasonable dis tance of those who devoted their lives to the pursuits which the institution was specially intended to foster. (Hear, hear.) Mr. BERESFORD-HOPE expressed his concurrence in the observations of the hon. member for the Tower Hamlets (Mr. Ayrtou) ; but until some other and, for the working classes, more convenient museum was found, the collections of art had better be kept at Brompton. Mr. WILSON said that the bill would in no way prevent the House of Commons from deciding at a future period for the removal of the collection now at Kensington to any other locality—(hear, hear) ;—it merely provided for the ultimate and permanent settle ment of the partnership, but it was necessary that the House of Commons should retain an interest in the land, or they would sacrifice to the Commissioners of the Royal Exhibition all that they had already expended on the buildings. After a few word from Mr. A. SMITH, Mr. F. CROSSLEY said it had been stated that trade and manufactures were very much indebted to those schools for designs. As a person who had con siderable experience in that matter, he could say they were perfectly useless. The pupils when asked to pro• duce designs were perfectly at sea. As usual, the Government made the worst hand of anything which they undertook. It would be better to leave manufac turers to themselves, and save the country this mere loss of money laid out on men on high salaries to teach these schools. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER assured the house that there was no connection between the Royal Commissioners and these schools of design. He was responsible for the arrangement on which this bill had been founded. The commissioners, of course, were qu it e willing to give up all the money ; but then they would have required the Government to give np all the land, and to find museums, and galleries, and schools for the Sheepshanks and other collections, and that the Government were not in a position to do. That, therefore, was the reason why he had introduced the second clause into the bill. The sum which had been mentioned was as near as possible the original price paid for the building. Notwithstanding the passing of this bill, the commissioners would still continue to carry into effect the purposes for which they had been consti tuted. There would be ornamental grounds and gardens equal in extent to the enclosed part cf St. James's-park, and there would be museums and galleries ; but all that would now be done by private resources, and would, to some extent, be self-supporting. The bill was then read a second time. h nwu i e n iphe i rp t saae t af,te e se srete:h o dnw n ec ife t too h hpr i t s eroert b igalt i taa l hi t l ro . ednpteuooxrfji psototi joint stock THE JOINT-STOCK COMPANIES ACTS AMENDMENT tiJI.L. The iw r. a sh WILSONo intendedu e w went etsl n ht s t ei t ton, intowhgqbaiuened exigencies, webgn o deieg n a te, On clause 7, OR GENERAL said the legislation of was by no means in a creditable state. styAs b ht t eo a l iTan Ni ac t r e ukhctmeo o ocu f bosinemn t ot h ripu e eydat i no a cein w xe:: and they were ual dt notalthough aeg cehtp a . ithonoengyee whichtah n e dr were t ah consistent n op f s u i b s t t l heicen introducingn agaowhnbatei b w ll ttaab i n t ii pith a he yet hoped that next n ,yeta o rr t o h dt e hu r ec ; ye bawu generalot i all the information requisite on the subject. (Hear.) In the Act of 1856 certain clauses were inserted to en able companies when in difficulty to wind up their affairs by voluntary act. So far as the shareholders were con cerned, that was very convenient. But then a difficulty arose, for a creiitor might not he content with such a proceeding, and he might desire to come into Chancery and have it made compulsory, and that he Cool 1 do. To remedy that difficulty the Act of 1857 was levied, aid section 19 of that act provided that where there bad t e ii an incipient voluntary winding-up, and af er Nal& a creditor should come before the Court to have a coin pulAory winding-up, the Court should be enabled, if the proceedings theretofore had been fair and just to ail par ties, to assume these proceedings instead of superseding them for the advantage of the creditor. Bu the clause was so meagre al d so destitute of those prov stens and that machinery requi ite for giving it elf ct that much difficulty hail beeen found in carrying it out. Sir It. BETHELL pointed out the necessity of more comprehensive legisl.tior, instead of dealing with it by piecemeal. There was complete antagonism in the law between comp u l sory an d vo l un t a ry winding up, and he thought it was a state of things which might to be put an end to. He should not oppose the clause. Tae inclusive. Upon then agreed to, as were al so clauses 8 to Uoon clause 19, Mr. AYRTON, referring to the great expense which had attended the British Bank prosiouticns, thought it ,ion for the National Gallery. About the same time, 1853, we added a new department to our public institu tions—namely, the department of Science and Art, and en the application of the then Chancellor of the Ex chequer, the schools were located in Marlborough-house, at a merely nominal rent. When Marlborough-house was afterwards wanted, those who administered the Kensington estate allotted twelve acres for erecting a temporary museum, the success of which has been so eminent, that sines its erection a greater number of persons have visited it than have attended the British Museum. Frem that time, during the three or four years which followed, although the course of Parlia ment had very much tended to delay, yet, on the whole, there has been progress, though it was slow. Another committee appointed to inquire into the National Gallery reported against the present site, and pointed out such conditions fur the new site as clearly indicated the space in the neighbourhood of Kensington. Another Royal Commission which was issued reported in unison with the other reports which I have already referred to. Up to that time the general course and tendency of Parliament had been to fulfil the wishes of the Royal Commissioners as pointed out in their charter of 1852. But in 1856 a very great change took place. An address for a Royal Commission to inquire into the best site for a national gallery was moved for by a noble lord who always takes an active and distinguished part on ques tions of that kind, the noble lord the member for Hadding tonshire (Lord Elcho.) (Hear.) At that time it was clearly understood that the new National Gallery was to be erected at Kensington-gore ; and a vote of 27,0001. had been before that taken " for the erection of a new National Gallery." The noble lord's motion was carried, and a Royal Commission was issued. 'Whatever might be the cause or the accident of that Parliamentary di vision, as t 3 which I am not now going to speculate, certain it is that the decision arrived at by the Royal Commissioners, after due inquiry and deliberation, was against the erection of the new National Gallery at Ken sington, and against the removal of the National Gal lery from the present site. (Hear.) After that it became necessary to consider the propriety of keeping the money longer in the unsatisfactory state in which it had been sunk for at least five years. The commissioners com plained that they were not allowed to carry out the ob jects for which they had been appointed under their charter ; and they at length proposed a dissolution of the barren partnership with the Government on the condi tion of a mutual release from all conditions, in the hope that out of their own unaided resources they might be able to do what they could. That, however, was a pro position which required the serious consideration of the country. We felt, however, that the decision which this house arrived at was conclusive against the removal of the National Gallery from its present site. We knew that the Royal Commissioners had suffered from the state of things which had existed ; and as we were unable to hold out to.thein any expectation that we should take any steps to recur to the feelings and views of the Go vernment of 1852, we thought it best to accept their se cond proposition, if we would agree as to terms. The terms which were offered to us were these. It was proposed that the capital which had been expended by the Govern ment should be repaid by the Royal Commissioners, wh'sk was about 177,5001., and that there should be added to that amount the moiety of what had been received for rents, raising it to the sum of about 182,0001. That is the proposition now before the house, and the object of the bill is to carry it out and dissolve the partnership which now subsists b e tween the Government and the Royal Commissioners. Some remarks were made when I mentioned the arrangement a short time since, which it will be as well for me to notice ; at the same time there was a general feeling in favour of a dissolution of the partnership. It was said that interest ought to be paid upon the money advanced by Government—(hear)—but I think that proposition cannot be fairly maintained. The Royal Commissioners e qually complain that their capital has been lying idle during the whole of this pe riod, except to the limited extent in which the Govern ment will share, and I do not think there is any weight in the objection. Another objection has been that the value of the lannas greatly increased since it was pur chased five years ago. There is no doubt that it has, and it would certainly be a sign cf decay of the metropolis, if not of the country, if the value had not increased. But its value has increased as building land, and it is more valuable to a speculative builder, who intends to cover it with squares and cre.cents, than to the Royal Commis sioners, who are to hold it, in pursuance of their charter, for purposes of art and science. Although the connection between the Government arid the Commissioners ceases, they do not give up their original design of devoting the land to such Ake s. It would therefore be ungenerous to exact an inorcasedsuui from theßoyel Commissioners, when we should thereby prevent the accomplishment of those pubic purposes which we ourselves have been the cause of their not having been sooner accomplished. I trust, therefore, that the house will agree in this view of the case. Tne first clause of the bill proposes the general arrangement I hare explained. The second section refers to the plot of ground, about 124 ecru, which has been used by the Government for the erection of the museums and schools of art which were originally located at Marl borough-house. The third clause proposes that such land may be retained under certain conditions ; and the con dition which Government recommend the house to adopt is, that so long as the land is kept by a public depart ment no rent should be paid for it, but if we find it con venient for the public service so to do, we shall be allowed to take it up for a certain sum, which the Go vernment shall fix, and which will be substracted from the purchase money which the Royal Commissioners are now about to return to the Government. I know the house would like to have some idea of the value of this land, and I have ascertained that the sum to be paid would be about 60,0001. This calculation has been made upon the principle of not taking the land at an increased value, but according to the sum paid for the land origi nally. A sum of 14,000/. (in addition to 6,0001. paid by private individuals) was expended by the Commissioners in forming roads, a large portion of which expenditure belongs peculiarly to this plot of land. In addition to this the Royal Commissioners have expended upon the Museum 5,000/. or 6,0001. beyond the amount voted by Parliament ; and taking all these things into considera• then, it has been thought that 60,000/. was a fair value to be placed upon the land. Bat the Government, of course, has a great check, because the value is to be fixed by the Treasury itself. I hope the Royal Commissioners freed from the trammels of the Government, will be able to accomplish their original purpose ; and I am confident that they are objects which, if accomplished, will tend to advance the interests of art and science in this country. Mr. BRISCOE was glad to hear from the right hon. gentleman the statement that it was the intention of the Government to retain the National Gallery in its present situation. (The Chancellor of the Exchequer intimated dissent.) He hoped he had not misunderstood the right hon. gentleman, as be thought it was most important that the gallery should not be removed to Kensington. Mr. SPOONER said that he cheered the right hon. gentleman when he made the announcement that the part nership between the Government and the Royal Commis sioners was about to terminate ; and when the right hon. gentleman did him the honour to ask him if he would consent to putting his name on the back of the bi.l he willingly did so. But he now found that the bill oely partially dissolved the partnership and retained some objectionable features, He objected to the Govern relent paying 60,0001. for this piece of land, which he thought ought to be paid by the Royal C o mmissioners. He was not satisfied that the improvement of art and science was a great national object ; and if it, conferred any benefit on the working man, it was yet such a re mote one that he could not consent to the working man being tax-d to e mtribute when he had the greatest diffi culty in contributing to the necessary requirements of the State. He should not oppose the second reading of the bill, but in committee he should move that the clause empowering the Government to purchase this land for 60,0001. should be struck out. It was certainly his in tention to move the omission of the clause in committee. When the first grant of 150,0001. was made, it was sup• posed that it would be anal, but two other grants had been made since then. He (Mr. Spooner) always pro tested against the expenditure of public money for the promotion of ar t an d sc i en ce He contended that th e y ought be supported by those who were immediately benefitted by them. It was sometimes said that the pub lic cultivation of art tended to the benefit of trade; well, then, let those who were interested in trade promote the cultivation of art, and let not the expenses be thrown upon the working man. Mr. KINNAIRD observed that the right hon. gen tleman the Chancellor of the Exchequer said that the purchase of the land had not been a satisfactory invest ment, but hs (11r. Kineaird) had been told that the land had since doubled or trebled in value. He was also told that the nu,ney was to be raised upon some portion of the land, and the rest to be sold. He protested, however, aeainst the sale, and he hoped that in committee every inforinasion would be afforded as to the question whe• ther iot, rest might not be paid to the Commissioners and the land rota nod. Mr. PALK protested against the opinion that money was misapplied when devoted to the purposes of promot ing art and science. He believed the efforts that had been made to educate the poor in art and science had been most beneficial, and had done much to remove the slur which had been cast upon articles of English work manship, namely, that however good they might be in price and quality, they were inferior in taste and design to articles ef the same nature made on the Continent. He thought there ought to be more schools of .art; and he should have been glad to hear of some arrangement which might have collected together under one roof all the best and most valuable articles of art in the country, so as to be easily accessible to all classes of artisans. It would be at once evident that the site of Trafalgar-square woul l be too small for a building large enough to contain all the collected art treasures of the kingdom ; and as for the want of ceotralisation he thought that would be got over by the rail ways, which must some day traverse London from one end to the other. Ho trusted, how. was a most unwise provision that the expensive ma- the principal Secretaries of State should take the place of chinery of putting the Attorney-General in motion, to the Privy Council, in order that there might be some one conduct the prosecutions under the act, should be re- responsible to the house for the appointments which might sorted to. be made. The SOLICITOR-GENERAL said there was a double Mr. PALK thought if they paid the medical officer check—first, the discretion of the Court ; secondly, the 1,509/. a-year, the county was entitled to his exclusive serces. discretion of the Attorney-General. After further conversation, Mr. AYRTON said his objection was that the prosecu- The clause, with amendments, was agreed to, as were tion ought to be instituted in the same way as in the case of a lso the remaining clauses of the bill. perjury in a court of law, when the judge ordered a pro- On the motion of Mr. ADDEttLEY, the following secution, which was carried on in the ordinary way. clause was added to the bill :—Proceedings for penalties The clause was then agreed to. under the act for the time being in force on the subject of The SOLICITOR-GENERAL said in case of a corn- vaccination may be taken on the complaint of any regis pulsory winding up the Court would be able to ascertain trar employed for the registration of births, deaths, and by the bill whether the case was one fit for a public pro- marriages, public vaccinator, or officer authorised by the secution. But in a private winding up there would be board of guardians or by the overseers respectively, an d the cost of such proceedings shall be defrayed out of th e only the private liquidator, who was the agent of the common fund of the union, or out of the poor rates of shareholders. The discretion which they could not trust any par i sh not i nc l u d e d in a union. to private individuals, they might safely entrust to the The preamble of the bill was amended and passed Court. through committee, and the helve resumed. Mr. MALINS said the explanation of his learned JURIES (IRELAND) BILL. friend did not appear to him satisfactory. L'quidators On the motion of Mr. WHITESIDE, the bill was read ought not to have the power of rushing into prosecutions a second time. at the expense of the unfortunate shareholders. The STANHOPE AND WOLSINGHAII RECTORIES cumbrous expense and trouble they were obliged to re- BILL. . This bill passed through committee, and the house re sort to in the case of the British Bank, in which 10,0001. were spent, was a disgrace to the administra tion of justice. There ought to be some simple mode of procedure. Sir R. BETHELL observed that the prosecution of the British Bank directors was instituted under the old state of the law. Every step was taken under the con• currence of a most eminent member of the present Go vernment, and every step was taken to ensure the con viction of the offenders. He thought the prosecution ought only to be instituted with the consent of the Court. (Hear, hear.) Mr. BRAMLEY-MOORE thought liquidators ought not to have the power of instituting prosecutions against delinquent directors, for a colourable prosecution might be got up and the guilty parties might escape. Neither dial he think that the expense should be paid out of the funds of the company. He thought it would be as well if the clause were omitted. TRANSFER OF LAND BILL. Upon the order of the day for the second reading of this bill, Sir R. BETHELL said he would not delay the second reading of the bill at this hour further than to observe upon two circumstances —one, that in the other house of legislature the bill had received the support of her Majesty's Government ; and the other, that the principle of the bill bad been so much discussed and so generally approved in the bill brought in by the learned Attorney• General for Ireland, that it was only necessary to apply the same prin ciple to the present measure. He should suggest therefore , that the bill be read a second time pro forma, on the un derstanding that it be left to go into committee after the committal of the Transfer of Lands Bill in Ireland. Mr. WALPOLE thought it would be unadvisable to follow the suggestion of the hon. and learned gentleman. Ile would not discourage any attempt to facilitate the transfer of land, but the bill which had come down from the other house was materially different to those matters mentioned by his hon. and learned friend. He thought the Court of Chancery would not be a popular and good tribunal for the referring these questions to. Mr. ADAMS did not think such prolecutions ought to he instituted without the consent of the Court. The SOLICITOR GENERAL would propase in the next stage of the bill that it should be lawful for the Court to direct the liquidators to carry on a prosecu tion in the same manner as a commissioner under the Bankruptcy Act. On clause 21, Sir R. BETHELL suggested that this clause should be withdrawn. The SOLICITOR-GENERAL, after explaining the object of the clause, consented to its withdrawal. The other clauses of the bill then passed through com mittee, and the house resumed. WILLS, &c., OF BRITISH SUBJECTS ABROAD The bill was read a second time. THE GALWAY FREEMEN DISFRANCHISEMENT BILL. On the order for the adjourned debate being read, Mr. CLIVE asked that a day for the discussion should ba fixed. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER thought Tuesday, the 29th inst., would be a good day ; at a morn ing sitting the whole matter might be fully discussed, if the hon. and learned gentleman would assent to that sug gestion. Mr. BRADY said the day fixed would be unsuitable to Irish members, who would have to be absent at the assizes. After objections against postponement urged by Mr. P. O'BRIEN and Col. FRENCH, Mr. CLIVE said he could only accept the day the Go vernmentlhad offered. He thought he had a public duty to perform in this matter and a public discussion ought to take place. Mr. BUTT objected to the bill, and thought it would be I quite impossible to make it consistent with justice. The bill ought to be at once withdrawn, or an early day fixed _ . BILL. Upon the second reading of this bill, Sir R. BETHELL said he thought his learnel friend the Attorney-General agreed with him that it would be inconvenient to take the discussion on this bill upon the present occasion. He himself ,hould have to ask leave of the house to introduce a bill founded upon a different principle. The question was a moat important one, and it was extremely desirable that England should not be insular in its legislation. Upon the understanding, then, that the discussion should come on on a future occasion, he should consent to the bill being read a second time pro forma. The SOLICITOR-GENERAL, in the absence of the Attorney-General, said he would consent to thls arrangement on behalf of his hon. and learned friend. The till was then read a second time. COWLEY'S CHARITY BILL.—HARVEY'S CHARITY BILL. These bills were read a second time. BRISTOL MUNICIPAL CHARITIES BILL. Upon the motion for the second reading of this bill, Mr. ADAMS remarked upon the new principle of introducing bills of this nature, and thought that all these various matters ought to come on for considera• tion together, and be embodied in one act. The SOLICITOR-GENERAL said that perhaps his hon. friend was not aware that this was the only way in which, according to the present state of the law, these matters could be dealt with, and he was not sure that his hon, friend's recommendation was a desirable one. After a few words from Mr, BAINES, The bill was read a second time. THE CLERKS OF PETTY SESSIONS (IRE LAND BILL. Lord NAAS moved the second reading of this bill. Mr. BAGNVELL approved of the provisions of the bill generally, but thought they would require amend ment in committee. Mr. SULLIVAN also approved of the bill and thought the noble lord the Chief Secretary deserved great praise for the manner in which he had prepared it. After a few words from Mr. BLAKE, Mr. GREGORY thanked the noble lord for the man ner in which he had considered the whole question, which had been for years a perpetual source of annoy ance. He had read the bill and generally approved of it. Lord NAAS expressed great satisfaction at the re ception the bill had met with, and explained those provisions which bad been objected to, and which could be amended in committee. He hoped there would be ample funds in the hands of the Irish Government for the purposes of the act. Mr. DE VERE congratulated the noble lord on the success the bill had met with, and asked whether it would be necessary to require an oath to be taken from the clerks / If so, it ought to be framed in clear and intelligible terms. The bill was then read a second time. THE CHANCERY PROCEDURE AMENDMENT BILL. The amendments of the Lords to this bill were con sidered and agreed to. THE NISI PRIUS COURT (IRELAND) BILL. Mr. WHITESIDE moved the second reading of this bill. Mr. BAGWELL said the bill created a new office, to which a salary was attached of 3001. a-year. He should like some explanation as to the necessity of the office. Mr. WHITESIDE said a new nisi prius court had been established a short time since, and that no registrar had been appointed to discharge the duties. The bill was then read a second time. DURHAM COUNTY PALATINE JURISDICTION BILL. The house went into committee on this bill. Mr. A. SMITH objected to the extensive and arbi trary powers which it was sought to confer upon the Crown under the provisions of the bill. Mr. HAMILTON explained that the object of the bill was merely to carry out an arrangement made in 1357, between the Crown and the bishopric of Durham. The sixth clause saved to all persons and bodies corporate and politic the same rights which they had before the bill, and there was therefore no aggression on the rights of the public whatever. The bill, as amended, then passed through committee, and the house resumed. PUBLIC HEALTH BILL. Upon the motion for going into committee upon this bill, . - upon which a full and fair discussion could be taken. Lord LOVAINE recommended the hon. and learned gentleman to:accept the day offered him by the Government so that the session might not pass without adding the bill to the statute-book. Mr. G. A. HAMILTON said the bill came before the house in a very inconvenient form. It would be better to discharge the order for the adjourned debate on going into committee, and then the discussion could be taken on the simple question of going into committee. Mr. MAGUIRE said he knew the object of those who were the backers of the hon. and learned gentleman the member for Hereford—that object was to make the borough a pocket borough for one of the great landed autocrats of the country. He was quite willing to accept the issue offered by the Government, and Etlve a grand " field day" on the 29th. The debate was then adjourned until the 29th. ROADS (SCOTLAND) BILL. The order for the second reading of this bill was dis charged, and the bill withdrawn. COUNTY MANAGEMENT BILL. This bill passed through committee. INSURANCE AND ASSURANCE INSTITUTIONS BILL. Upon the motion of the adjourned debate on the second reading of this bill. Mr. G. A. HAMILTON said the bill involved such portant interests that he trusted the hon. member would not press the second reading during the present session; in which case his right hon. friend (Mr. Sotherton• Estcourt) would withdraw his amendment to the effect that it be read a second lime that day six months. Mr. SHERIDAN accepted the offer of her Majestys Government, and withdrew his motion for the second reading. WILLS OF BRITISH SUBJECTS ABROAD. Sir R. BETHELL obtained leave to bring in a bill to amend the law in relation to the wills of British subjects dying whilst resident abroad. He proposed the bill should come on for discussion at the same time as the bill of th° right hon. gentleman the Attorney-General. ADMINISTRATION OF JUSTICE. Sip R. BETHELL moved for leave to bang in a bill to assist the administration of justice, by affording better means for ascertaining the law of other countries in cases where questions as to such law shall arise. Leave was given to juts oduce the bill. ART UNIONS ACT AMENDMENT BILL. Mr. W. EWART obtained leave to bring in a bill to amend the law for legalising art unions. STIPENDIARY MAGISTRATES, &c. LAW AMEND• MENT. Mr. HARDY obtained leave to bring in a bill to amend the law concerning the powers of stipendiary magistrate' and justices of the peace in certain cases. RAILWAY AND CANAL LEGISLATION. Upon the motion for the nomination of the following select committee upon this subject, namely, Mr. HenlY. Mr. Cardwell, Sir James Graham, Mr. Gladstone, Mr. Lowe, Mr. Philip Pleydell Bouverie, Mr. Turner, Sir Robert Ferguson, Mr. Wortley, Lord Robert Cecil, Mr• Stephenson, Mr. Price, Mr. Westhead, Mr. Cowan, and Col. Wilson Patten. Col. FRENCH moved that the name of Mr. Bouverie be omitted, in order to substitute that of Lord John Browne. The west of Ireland, the hon. and gallant member o' o l was very inadequately supplied with railways, and Lord John Browns would represent its interests. After some discussion the motion was negatived without A division. Col. FRENCH then moved the omission of Mr. Wortley'o name, with the same object. This motion was agreed to, and the name of Lord John Browne was added accordingly. The house then adjourned at twenty minutes past one o'clock. Mr. PALK objected to the indefinite character of the bill, and expressed a doubt whether the dictatorial powers which it conferred would, after all, be adequate to deal with the emergencies which now and then arose —such a state of things, for instance, as hon. gentlemen had reason to regret in the present condition of the Thames. (Hear.) There were clauses in the bill which he thought were not required. They would create a council of medical officers without any specific employ ment, but with large salaries. He should like to knew what were the new duties which this council were to perform. He objected most strongly to taking indefi nite powers under this act, which were not laid down in any way whatever, and which he believed would open the door to jobbery. Mr. ADDERLEY said this bill was a very simple and short measure to provide for the services of the medical officers who would still remain when the general Board of Health expired in November next. He trusted the hon. gentleman would allow them to go into com mittee. The mein object was to provide for the emer gency of epidemic and contagious disorders. The house then went into committee. On clause 4, Mr. JOSEPH LOCKE remarked that this bill was about to make a very great change, by transferring the powers under the bill from a board over which the house had power to the Privy Council, over which the house had no power. Re was not prepared to go on with the bill, and in the absence of the hon. member for Fins - bury, who had amendments on the paper, if the bill were persisted in he would move that the chairman re port progress. Why, the power was given to the Privy Council, and the power also of paying themselves sala ries too, and any amount of salary. After a few words from Lord DuNceN and Mr. JACK SON to the same effect, Mr. SOTHERON ESTCOURT said whatever might go into the clause respecting salaries, he apprehended the matter would still lie with tho house, and the house only. It was important, however, that the Privy Council should other persons if necessary, have the power of employing because it might so happen th at an epidemic might break out at the same moment in more places than one, and it would be requisite that the Privy Council should have the power of employing persons on the spot to give them ac curate information. After a few words from Mr. P. O'BRIEN, Mr. GILPIN said he should support the motion th a t the Chairman should report progress. Mr. MONSELL thought that at the root of the objec tion to this clause lay the idea that the medical officer was of no use at all. It appear,d to him it would be better to continuo the progress of the bill, whi c h, th oug h s h or t , was one of great importance. Sir A. ELTON was of opinion that the house should go on with this bill. When the bill was brought forward it was sometimes stated to be too late, and sometimes too early ; but he hoped the committee would now at ono° proceed with the bill. Viscount EBRINGTON said ho could not for one moment think of contrasting the advantages to be derived from the services of an officer of health, and the compara tively small cost of those services. Mr. COX said the clause would perpetrate as nice a job as he hail over known. As the motion for reporting pro gress had not been seconded, he would move that the Chairman do now report progress. The motion having been seconded, the committee divided, when the motion was lost by 110 to 32. Mr. WALPOLE thought there was some force in the observations which bad been made as to the appointment of medical officers. The Board of Health had now the power to appoint, not simply a medical officer, but a medical council. The powers under this act were more limited. Ho thought it was most advisable to have some medical officer on whom the Executive could rely. It was objected that the latter part of the clause would enable the Government to appoint several officers at a large sa lary—(hear) --and ho proposed to add some words to meet tie difficulty. Mr. JACKSON wished to know what was to be the salary of the medical officer ? Mr. W A L POL E---1,t , 00/. a-year. Lord DUNCAN said what they wanted was that one of BIRTHS. AGNEW—On the 16th ult., at Madras, the lady of Jobs Vans Agnew, Esq., of a daughter. LINDLEY—On the 14th inst., at Peckham, Mrs. Rob ari Lindley, of a son. 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