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lIVIP ER ML PA R.LIAAMNT; Oo the Order for taking into consideration the Message from the ;House of Commons; desiring the 'attendance of the Earl Of ST. VINCENT, to give Evidence before the Committee relative to Sir H. Poplivn, Lord 1-lAWKVADURT Paid, he understood it to be the practice of the-floo9e that no Motion could be mtde .upon sack a Wssage unless the NOllle Peer .alluded to hint first signitied his.detertnination Upon the subj , d, either in his place, of by means of some °Ow Noble ,Lord, lIL sitivied, from no intima tion o' this OAttite having been given to the House., that Lord ST. VINCENT was not informed of the M•ssage. The LIDED CIIANaELLOR suggestetl, as Lord ST. VINCENT was nut in his place, that the further con. sideratiOn of the Message should be deferred till Jo. morrow; which was ~ ) teed. t o. . The Order of the DI tieing read for the House gning lint) a Committee reoptdinx Mr. justice 14"Gx, Lord II!. 'NICE' `,l ee n obsermi, ilitq he believed the in sr tegol.,r tootle of proceeding would btl for leis N FA ietikl (the Mirgois of ABEIk . tVRI4) ' to move .itn,o4otep! to M jetty, .praying for, the justice Fux a . embodying in that Addieesthe.teat.oinsityon . tAltie44 . was founded. It would then remain ;IA.): their . Lordships to.go into a Committee c.; the whAtt Kato,' for the purpose o f eknoining au! Cl,arges against Mr. Justice Fox, on %I hid) the Alb CO; vva,, I ~!~ ~-~ '9~~L.. ` ~.?t :i 'j l ~-.I 1 • , . The MArquiq of AIII.:R.CogNI exdrvssea Ms readi ness to t he ( 1 ;1et hod o w pointed 9 ot, and gave no , ice that i,t shook! •,n tic ttrt (Vidv44 to.tnotimV. . It was then agrectj ttr di , tchargc,tht Orarr, ain't renew it for to.mogro v which thy the Lut'd3 Wert Ordered tab:: AUCKLAtio moved. f..r an Account of the Pruceedt,no .nm't liitdrr the lee Ail of .r.trliatrent rel.!ttinit The Ikt:hwy.-a of the Chathani Chest; which %e f t!! ordcr ed. 3 . 4 ; •; ; , t ',""'4 On the 3ece.old reading of Ungham's DivOrie Bill, '.}fir. lleatil can the part of the reti. im,er, and evidence w.i ximintd In prove the flat of: Adultery committed by Mrs. Lingitam. The further consideration w.,s vostvoned , till istit:sday; on which tlAy• Mr. hunt, one of tile witnesses, was tiered to attend again. Adjourned till to-morrow (this day.) t. 110 USC OF COMMONS. TvviDAY, MAY ';'.t, HOUSE OF PEERS. TUESDAY, MAY 21. 4 THE LOR6 CHANCELLOR delivered his opinion .at cinaiderable length, relative to the Appeal Cause, ,Esq. Trustee for Sir Andrew Cathcart, y. the. Earl of Cassilis. His Lordship thought,that as. to some parte.of the properly in dispute the Inter.. locators of the C‘mrt. of Seision ought to be affirmed ; iod with respett the remainder, that it ought to be remitted to , that Court for further consideration. He wished, however, for . the sake of more accuracy, that jo igment should be postponed till Friday; which wi l t agreed to. Sir R. VAltailAW, Mr. SAVILL:ti, the Lotto AD 'MCAT* of Sc-TLAND, and several other Members of the House of Commons, brought up three Private Bid"; which were read a first time. The Slite Duty Bill was.read a second time, and corrirtiitted for to-morrow, The Earl of SUFFOLK requested to be informed, when it was likely that the Papers which he had moved for, relative to Bills drawn from the 'West Indies; woold be laid upon the Table, Lund HAWKESBURY, said, the. Papers which . the Noble Earl had moved for were to volumMoks, Chit they could not hc g u t ready for some time to come . ; but if the Noble Earl would point out, any rarticular parts of those Papers which'hewished for, they should he produced. , , • The Earl of Suilfoit made some observations re. lative to certain Papers which he had moved fur some time since, respeaing the Sale of Old Naval Stores, and which had not yet been produced. His Lordship concluded by moving .for an Account.of Old Naval Stores sold from the Ist of December,: 1804, to the Ist of-December, 1805; which, after a te* words from Lord AUCKLAND, was drawn. The Limerick Roda Bill Wati reported, and ordered to be. erigrossrd. • Mr. Sedrant Burr gave notice, that on 'Monday reit he wcuiti in , Jvct for leave to bring in ia Bill to amerAl the Att of thr vh of GEO. IL tecpediing s the rrivilrges of IVlrtahets rdsotion to their being exetniotd from Arreets for Pelat. On 414- O'riCr of . the 'Dv for the third reading of the Bill fur .flr better sur , ply of Market '!`owns in 'lreland with W d trr, Sir GEORG e ill LI, orrisekl it, on the gronnd, . • a that It would lave a Faro rl nperation, and sohjeet peveoni to Ritri wl,O glid not htiind in reed of ett.commottitt ,, c. shottiki make nn objetlion t ir ,vy e xpenee xvms to Lill riclusively crn thoie wl st lc il for it ; hot, cocuodetirtg thAt it would 1)- harthetoorne »a Wgil A 8 n , mrcessary in general, he Ihat the. Lilt leact is third time this 4.4 y ~71iree months. NARD 3.0 Sir WILLI At 4 Btr.ftllol7q, :-,1 in f your t,f ifs« Bin ; ,141 ilr. 1 xnrocH, Sir l/AIAM I, L , F ,,,an i anti Mr. M . NAGIITEIIi against Al t:. FOST;iI: c. , 1 sit!ereil the measure to be of ••••nsitkraiole i t i,p4t.),.ct., and snch.. as sly,pict not be. „,, sto y wioprect, 14' nerd Att, meant oniy for 10c;41 ultimately tend to the em. tr r,,s , lnrra or the whole Cuontq. He should i; I -re' reeiouineld it to the Hen. Baronet (Sir /;. i ILL ) to wi( j u i f4 .N.hi, Ntitiort, for the ptiyose i v.vpulatz the third readin4 to this day fortnight, Gentitineil ttui.:llt be becicr prepared to unticg. in this; Mr. M'ANAGNTEpr olirled--...that • ~ : rF,e fur.vight ma ny . Irish Mcinbers would . c cali•,nn to worn home,: :Ind, after Some the Huth,. dividcd on Mr. 11 y r.lnveN I AillCntici 11!, I Ap.,,nst it t 7:—NlAjorit'l 2. , , M • -7 , : • e CC Or reit LO DC it 30 .1 tiltru .1 ,1 • 10:11;10. .jrl4. ' • ~~ ~ _• ~~, Y: ~~ The Irish Customs - and Excise 13i11 was read a second citne, and ordered to,be cotntnitted to.tnur• rQvia Mr.'EsS y, from the Exchequer, presented an Account of the Application of the Gams for gavel Services,' from the year iBot to the latest periOd. Ordered to lie on the Table. Mr. MATTHEws moved the second reading of eke General Turnpike Bill; which, after a few observe. lions from Sir R. BUXTOI4 and Mr. HART, 'was 4greed to; and the Bill ordered tube committed to morrow. Sir JOHN NEWPORT rose to make his pro.' miseil Motion relative to the Expenditure of,the- Secret Service Money in • Ireland. He said, the Le - gislature had restricted 'that Expenditure; and , the Principles of the COostitutiOn required an Ac. count of the Application of the Sums employed in that Service. Rut no such Account had been given• to Parliament, the contrent of which, in this. re . . spen, was nugatory, if he should fail in the Me- Lion which he should submit to the House. There were romburs of great abuses in this Expenditure; and he was starry a Noble Lord who had been called upon ors refute theta was not in his place to wipe off the repriticli from himself (a general laugh, Lard Castlereagh' being in his Feat). He begged the No. ble Lord's parden, and hoped he would avail him. .self of being present to clear himself. He carts. phoned of the Expences of Criminal Prosecutions as enormous, no less than t 10,0001. in four years.— .. As his Motion might at first seem novel, he had a ',recede:mt to state to the House. In the eth of William and" Mary the House appointed a Commit, tee toinquire into this species of Expenditure; and a Report was made of Members by name who re. ceived bribes from the Government. He concluded by moving, that a Secret,Committee be appointest„ consisting of 13 Members of that House, not hold. ing Civil o(ficei during pleasure under the Crown, 'to inquire into the Distribution and Expenditure of ' Secret Service Money in' Ireland, from 1793 to 1,1804.,. inclusive, except such Money as had been !. expended in the discovery of • Treasons, by the direftions of the Att,of the 33.1 of the King. Mr. PANS/TTARD said e that it the Hun. Bart. Merely 'wanted an Account of the Money . laid out for Secret Service, there could be but one objection to . it, and that was, thatir was unnecessary, because the amount of the Money to he to• expended was limited and defined by MI of Parliament, But the Hon. Bart. seemed to think tfiat there were other Sums of M o ney so applied, over and above the sum allakved bye taco : if that were thecase, if the Hon. I Bart. could brink forward any fate of tkat kied, it certainly would be will worthy of the attention of Parliament. But it certainly appeared to him on., eeez ,„„ ry to go i„tta an logoiry until - some fad was glated ti sheet the expediency of that Ingoiry.,-. The ACt of . 1 rj93, to which the, Hen. Bait. had al. In led, foll Owed the pi inctple of Mr. Butkess Bill in .this Country, nod 6ittiled the 'amount of Money to be expended for Secret Service•to a small sum; and he Su r innetLit would not be denied that it would be impossible 'for , any GovernMent to be carried ion without the power of disposing of some Secret service Money ,without being obliged. af. .terwards to matte public the way in which it had been laid out. In the year 174.1 an attempt was made in this Country to inquire nito the application of Secret Scrviee Money. It . Was admitted in the Report of the Committee appointed upon that oc. e torsion, that -it was absolutely necessary that Go. , verntnent should have the eoelication of .a certain sum fOr Seeret Service Money, without being obliged to explain the way in svhich it was ex.e petaled, because that would defeat the very omr. pose ttfit ;. but it was sliced that time Sums so. laid • out appeared to be enormous. Afterwards, by the Bill brought in by MrO Burke, the Sum to be so expended by Government was limited to 10,0001. a.year. In Ireland the suin Wes still more It. suited—ie, wets fixed a't ear ; anti he be, lieved the Hon. Bart. :week( find it difficult to convince the House that such an expenditure'coulir be applied 'to' the had putposes to which he had alluded. But be trusted that Gentlemen would re. collect the situatiotv in which Irelati'd hail stood . fors some years, and he was sure they could not for a moment contend that it would he prOper to call upon Government to ceme before Per: liament and explain' how every farthing of Se. crer Service Money had ken laid out during t h at pe r iod. There w;:e one head of Expenditure called 's Secret Pees' ns ," and it must,he obvious .to"the House, thatGoveroMent could n ot expose t he names of the Persona to whom they were paid with. I out expositigthem to ruin. He Wished to observe, that it was not the practice in this Countfy to keep any , Memorandurroof the disposal of Slcret Service Money after it had once been approved of by, His Majesty he del not knew whether this wa s t h e practice ic o n Ireland, but certainly' a contrary one ,might lead to the most dangeraus consequenc es , Mt. VANSITTART theo read the AO limiting the, Secret Service Money to 5,0001. a year, an d con. tended, that it was evidently implied by the Ate, that no . account lo ot s tiebe rendered of the Expendi. lure of that sum. The necessity) , security w as 0 1, ) , gained,, not by having an, account published of the mode in which tbeononey .had been expepded, but by limiting the amount of , it. The money laid out bad all been accounted for , in the way pre., scribed by Law, and the lion. Baronet might, if he thought proper, t rilve for' Papers, shewing ' t h e time when the respeetive Secretaries had passed their Accounts. With, regerd to what had fallen .from the Honourable T 3 stoner -respeding Pensions, it ,WateWholly unconnected with the present stihkid, and therefore he wouldorot occupy the time of the HOuse with any observations upon it at present,. The Hon. Bart.• hall referred tU some proceedings in the reign of Kill; ; but they Were of a very different the Account now called for,. because there.was now an Aceounuof the Sums cizpendtd upon , the Talale `!'he Hon. Bart. had also alluded to the Scum t-Ipended in State Pre. bee b tions ; this' certai.oly a subjett of tegrer, but it could nut be matter of surprise, that such Leal had beet? 'expended in four years, in a C ountry it; whirl) 'there : had recently been a Rebellion, an d since that a serious Insurreelion, and where it insist be confessed there still remained a great deal of lu*. ing Jr had been said, that, the Secret ;;;c ► awe Money (41rehlfiticould not be laid out upon For4ign Service; but when the situation in whiCh haa stood for some years was considered, it could not be denied that it might have been neces sary to expend Money in Ireland for correspondence from abroad. Upon these - grounds he must resist the Motion.of the.lion,Bart. and really if he could account for the Expenditure of 'the Secret 'Service Money he should feel it his duty not to do !t, from a convitinn of the fatal consequences that .alight r)sue The Hex. DENNIS 'ROI/WE also opposed the Motion, mad observed, that certainly the NOble' Lord did carry the measure of Union which the Hon. Baron had so highly praised, and admitted to be of such high importance ,to the Empire ; and it was rather extraordinary that an Inquiry should now'be msved, under the head of Secret Service, which seemed invidiously 'to glance at the carrying of that measure. Certainly large sums had been f,und necessary to be disbursed in the Secret Service of that Country, in order to deteet and frustrate a ja. cobinical Conspiracy, which had its origin so early as 5790. and the,application of Secret SerVice Mo. ney, under the direCtion and talents of Mr. Edward Cooke, then Secretary in the Civil Department, was most effeelual for the purpose. The. Question being loudly called for, Sir JOHN 'NEWPORT replied in defence of his motion. He observed, that as to Secret Service Money disbursed for the suppression of rebellion, the Ministers Were not called on to account, as that ; was specially excepted by the Aet of Parliament ; but this wils no reason why nu inquiry shottld he made respecting the expenditure of the sum not so granted. He dict not wish to disguise the °hied of his inquiry. Rupour had very strongly stated, that very large sums, to the amount of more than twenty times five thousand ponnds,had been expended ; by the GovernMent of Ireland of very late years, Ida very improper and unconstitutional way ; and 'to investigate this was the Objed he had in view, ' The question being put, the House divided, Ayes - - 47 Noes - - - J 3 • Majority against the Motion . —46 Read a third time the Military and Naval Corn. missioners' 'lnquiry ;Bills, passed, and ordered. to the. Lords. . The Order of the Day being read' for going into a Committee on the Stipendiary Curates' Bill, Lord PORCHES7'EI opposed the Bill as unjust, and' unconstitutional in its , principle, and unwarrantably disposing of the property of Beneficed Clergymen, who, from illness, infirmity, or other unavoidable causes, might becOme nonresident; in which case, at the option or caprice of the Diocesan, a Gentleman was liable, by the Bill, to he deprived of one fifth of the value of his whole living, to en. rich a Curate appointed by the, Bishop to do duty in his Parish. The Noble Lord considered thetiving of Clergyman as much his private property as if it were his landed estate, and at considerable length de clared against the injustice, the Cruelty, and tyranny, . 'of taking it from him against his will, sto endow a Curate forced upon hint against his choice, and who, in many instances, would :become much richer than three.tourtha of the Beneficed , Clergyeaen in Eng land. The pretence for On Bill was to bind the Redtior to residence on his living, as if . it were a settled faft that a good benefice and a comfortable glebe.house necessarily conferred upon him,a kind of centrifu. gal force, and sent him rambling about the, coun. try, while it was Os' have quite the contrary effed upon a Curate, who, by receiving 2sol. a year, and without arty penalty for his. non.residence, would cling to the spot. The Noble L"rd considered .the Bill rather a Bill of Nos and Penalties upon age and infirmities, than of any bail effeCt upon those who were non. reSident without excuse. He there.: fore should dexidedly take the ,sense of the House upon it. • M. I. liawitiNq BROWNE supported the 13111, as a mere Bill of nece'.sary regulation, indispensible to maintain the religion and morality of the cOontry, and could not at all view it in the sense light with the Noble Lord. Mr. 6R•robi su t snorted the ; he denied that it was either novel or unprecedented in its prin. ciple, and ['hewed. that the idea had been adopted boo years ago, in the reign of Richard'lL • Sir W. W. WvNile, Mr. Fut. Lows, Mr. ST. JOHN, and' Sir J. C. HIPPLSLEY, supported the Bill. Mr. BARHAM and Mr. WESTERN opposed it. Mr. PI IT c•reluded the discussion by-a short but able and argumentative Speech, in which he denied the principle. contended , for by the. Noble Lord, and the other opposers of the Bill; thar the property of a beneficed Clergyman in his Living was of the same nature as his landed estate. Such, indeed, was the propoTy of the Advowtion; but such was the.jesl,msy of the law on t hi s p o i nt , t h at for the Patron to sell,.the next preSentation to that Advowson, would be- a timoniacal ,hargain. The Living, on the contrary, was to be considered the, as a fieehold tenure held upon certain condi. lions of i.rrvice ; bur he s should like to know where was.the injustice or the tyranny in obliging wman to pay another for the perform:ince of that service WhiCh he did not choose to perform himself, and upon the condition of which ohe hell t h e tenure ...—. The tenure of a Clergyrrian in his Living was also held upon the indiwensible condition. of rendering services inieparably eontieEt; it with the reli gion, the morality, and the loyalty of the COno. try. To whom must, the ',country look f the support of loyalty amongst the People, but to the resident Clergyinen of the Est,,hlished Chlurch, who, by their own doctrine ' and example, have at all times, ao eminently proinoted the cause Of loyalty amongst their parishioners ? A Bill had - been recently passed by the I-Luse, enforcing the re‘,ldence of the Clergy under the direction of the Bishops, tolwhom it .gave extensive powers ; which powers this „Bill restrtard rather than enlarged; for it only a!ithorized the Bishops to assign of the income of the living, where it exceeded 4001. a year, to the maintenance of a Citrate to ds the duty of . a Clergyman who did not chuse to do it himself, or provide any other resident Clergyman to di) it. Now, what portion of the whole minis ',of the Bene fi ced Clergyin' England would this go to etfeCt t Why, not, a fortieth part : 1.,r - a greatolumber of the Beneficed Clergy already s tood excused .from residence on account Dean, • cries, Chaplaincies, Fellowship', and vther duties elsewhere. The House divided upon the QllO6Oll O Ayes ;7 13 I Noss Majority for the Committee —34 , tte, The Home accordingly went into a CoMma anti continued in discussion upon the Bill to a latt hours when it was ordered to Vse reporte,—Ati. journed till to. morrow MA I I.S. AR RVrD —1 nainbUrgh , 1 I.lmaica, t W A ttrfords Pue —1 Hanibtagh, i Lisbon, t Waterford. 4 11113 . Tll E S N. c,IL; (3 DleakZ 'MAU:A AUDIAT LONDON , WEDNESDAY, MAT lio 1805. e Red lN.a r d s, dition to the. intellig ence from the Welt Indies which we have a lread y communicated to osr Readers, t . we have to state , that.the Priam s ulfa stabab Packet, from Tortola,- a rrived at Fahn ;. in thirty-nine days; brings an account that the Rochefort Squadron had p roceeded for St., Da* Iningo, whither••Adrniral . - COCHLANE WB 5 e l k' , • 1 ; having passed Tortola the d a y before the Pal e r lift it. It was s u pp osed that the French tneant O 13 the Spaniards against a n attack said to h had as ab aut , be made by DEssA L t tins. a contribUtion on the island of Ivlotserrat 0140001' An American Vessel ar rived at 'Tortola rev ° The French to t he sailing of the Pick et, the Master of which T m l a e d e e t, oa a t n l d t, atf.htearcwlaterdhcawditfhallen in with the .1 4)-aiCs in pursuit of them : the Frenschleunite7hweefertaShilotiaaidi: miles astern. Admiral COCHRANE', : 2 q .- 1 ' wef t ° • . , at eig:tr, seen in the Offing of Tortola O n this 9 111 1 /Wig . bad at all These accounts are in' some degree a t varislle al A. M. standin; to the westward. events,frem comparing illem,we art' inducej, ' • il e Alta to hope that the F rench Squadron wou ld, he to pick up very few, if any, of 00 vessels, an of d that they would soon be compelled to so ts, • their Prizes, if nOt themse lves, 10 the //Awry the British Force, It is, however, confidently supposed, by some that the Rochefott Squadron 1; on its return hams with its Prizes, whatever they may ht! ; an d it , i , s said; that Admiral•toLtmrcsvooo has Vika %Vit'S to in tercept twelve or fourteen Sail of t he Lit;e the Frenchmen, if it s hould turn out Olaf 00 are hOmeward.bound, , Whatever m a y time, be their ultima te destioati°n', tol " hope sve shall be enabled , in a s hort a! helc)re our Readers a c0d0c,...-,,,,..1 Of tile 11 1 ' ra° ' ing Squadron. , The Chian-phi Packetarrived at Falmouth frost ne vs..-" Jamaica - in '63 days , brings 00 parlict' l4. ''-' to The arrival of the It.z.Thefort SqUadron TtPreoroePstwinoJadmayisicaPrweevri°eusprieoParbiesrg s aili ng' ''ar'n at te . tack. The Letters from General '.NursT st' 0 ,are happy that he had MO apprelleusittns o r' thereSUlt 0 13 n ' it. . . . \C was ono iettic tack, f the Enemy should venture to `fie one. ___ cftzs, though they do not absolutely COntradia d re e i r 'o ab it l (5. strongest reason 'to hope that it is OnfOtlll'/61. 0.4 Our Dover Letter &Wei, that fterc W as a CO butl tiring off Boulogne • on Sunday eveni"gt ttoheadl:l:st, of the. /I"aemitger:::), rnyle\till:ifif:tlilllcti:i the cause was not le • ta 91 e T as b i t 1 .1 cs E el ni.Bc/.coriii.nrtr British i ic t s l I :: :on A n ypd i ° e atr Spanish' i t ' . . ' y. : i t os cii r z.) : e.ei S je l i . ' it i i : Tif t li, ) ,,l : tc l it r :re i :, v riti c egs t : l cii : l l ie. it i t_ combinedmorning._ . . Letters fr o m I C Amsterdam bring a rumour t h at th ltilson, w h ere dr .. b all t the of an certain intelligence relative to th e „Peraticuls of the cornbined not after their rtrorn CO ever, aim,,llcevte . t a l ‘ ne t v, tr p e s e c t , appears to be ( a c ° m u ::: cr. ugniiv-Jeur:nYanult:c.:::llC:Pi: ,-4adiz ' ni" upon the sll'ijeCt: The •aboVe statement, I°' ;flied,. 1 in the Amsterdam Letters ; 661., --` o f that Fleet after its return to (.11,1iz to have ic iel ' ' was therebtroirnugehitor any accousnt of the Arnige . 1 ti)C. acnuntit the D I,.7eiv t o l r d :c l , :) n to l) : l . l k : Y er n s ti o le f f io . a i l i to c i e o lirl o ci i r : r a es , l y nrticit.iit'er::::::as.l,ll;:. such rancor._ 1,:or - from thence b, the Mail, who „ operations .. -c ,tve 'every 1C49:111 to ()elk's; 1,„ Fleet, b- the deitinatim of ilie'C'"'ll'is -...leet ' -.• els, ' 1-ord N II; ,c'occ , , °" of the m,,,t. curl :4m pieces' Ut . inte" . h PL.sort will be ClOse at t heir' Ile, dorou-ht , r. brought b y the Maii iii a st3tement in!h(' "' of yllni (344rite,tliat th e residence of tie- 1"•1: 03 ITALY it, to be rermai,ently /10 3 et A iiii ,l n 1 that the Papal See is to be removed to Avigfiti nA( 1; e' the F.mteror arid Kitts , will ol,ter''c os, side at Paris and at Rowe, or villitlier lie Oi l ' l ' ' ' ~ ter t h e t -li+liadCto` w.n to one of ho hopip/ Fenno!' w e are • h ► ve n'''. not informed. It . h.pAcver, s lle l'-.} • lie 01- "Iligence • b Is to _e re.ied upon, .it 11111 Si LI , dent t i s., that itIC dye Itilic rrOUSCd ch.:nge is ~~