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and the welfare of mankind. But suffering Cuba to be a slave-importing state must, in the nature of things, be a continual provocative to war. If happily Spain would follow the example set by Port ugal which, by using her influence, had induced the Brazilian Government to abolish the slave trade in that country—if Spain would act up to the treaties to give to these imported Africans the liberty which, under treaty, they would now possess —she would take away the desire which now existed in certain parts of the United States to annex Cuba for cer tain purposes of the federation. We had, therefore, in this way a call which no nation could possibly disregard. We were bound in the face of Europe, and in the face of the world, to suffer these treaties no longer to be a dead letter, and to require our Government to use every means at its command to compel the equivocating Government of Spain to fulfil its treaties. Hear.) Lord BROUGHAM said itehould be remembered that Spain had received nearly half a million of money as a consideration for entering into these treaties, which she had systematically violated. His right rev. friend bad alluded to a delicate sutject—the hazard of war with the United States, which we avoided by insisting upon Spai❑ acting up to her engagements. The fire bell which broke their slumbers might prevent their being burned in their beds, and that was how he regarded this warning. Therefore be would call the attention of our Government, of the Spanish Government, and of the French Government to the bounden duty of them all to step the slave trade. It was sometimes said that the United States had an interest in the slave trade. They bad no interest in it ; not one of those states imported slaves. If the system of corruption whic . i prevailed in the Cal-an Government were put an end to—and that might be done—one of the greatest difficulties in the settlement of the question would be removed, so far as regarded this country and America. W e o ught to he perfectly candid with our American brethren. They coul I not allow the right of search during peace, for the rigbt of search was belligerent and utterly unknown in time of peace. The law of nations not only declared that the right of searub did not exist except during war, but it stated that there is no difference between one stale and another—that the smallest state has the same right to object to the right of search as was possessed by France, England, or America. He had no hesitation in saying that he believed the question would eventually be satistactor•ly arranged, and it would be arranged the mere satisfactorily the more we kept up a friendly in tercourse with whom we had to continue the discussion. That the matter might be arranged by Spain being called upon to do her duty and perform her obligations was a consummation devoutly to be wished. He could not con clude his remarks without briefly referring to a matter which had recently exited some attention. There could be no doubt that the slave trade was carried on under the colour of exporting or carrying free negroes, as they were called, across the Atlantic. In a recent case, ont of a cargo of 350 not lees than 35 died in the course cf 10 days, and eventually the poor negroes who remained rove upon the crew and murdered the whole of them ex cept one. Earl GREY—Killed. L rd BROUGHAM raid his noble friend was per fectly right. The negroes " killed" the whole crew ex cept one man, and some parties were disposed to com plain of the exception. (Hear, hear.) He believed a great mistake had been committed by our not having taken more precaution for establishing a better mode of communication between ourselves and the African chiefs, some of whom were men of great capacity and power, and wholly opposed to the slave trade, looking upon it with abhorrence, and wishing to see useful com merce greatly extended. But instead of increasing dur ing the last eighteen months commerce bad consider ably diminished. With respect to the petition which bad been presented, he thought the people of Jamaica had a most just ground of complaint, and trusted that their complaint would nut be overlooked. (Hear, hear.) The Earl of MAL MESBURY, who was very indis tinctly heard, after complimenting the right rev. prelate on the hereditary feeling with which he addressed their lordships on the subject, said he wished other nations took as great an interest in it as the people of th i s coun try. But he regretted to say that we were not aided as we could wish to be aided by other nations, and this was one of the great difficulties with which we had to con tend. The right rev, prelate had with great justice blamed the Spanish Government for its continued breaches of treaty and its cruelties to the natives of Africa. If all the despatches that had been written by the English Government to Spain were woven together he believed they would almost reach from this country to Cuba. (Hear, hear, and a laugh.) It would not be fair to infer that the failure which bad taken place was the fault of the British Govern ment. And he thought it right to state that Minis ter after Minister had done his best to induce Spain to perform her duty, but, unfortunately, had not suc ceeded. Spain bad taken a course the most difficult in the world to overcome—that of passive resistance. The right rev, prelate must recollect that a foreign minister could not entirely act upon those feelinge which he pos sessed as an Englishman. The feelings of other nations who did not view the matter in the same light, and who did not take the same strong views as ourselves, must be attended to, and a minister was often unable to act with the vigour he might otherwise be disposed to exec - the. A great relaxation of feeling had taken place with respect to the principle of slavery itself ; but there was not a general agreement on the principle laid down by the noble and learned lord. No doubt we had no right in time of peace, according to i .t,:rnational law, to carry out the right of search ; but there might be established a sort of ocean police. Some parties had refused to admit that principle, asserting that for no suspicion should a ship carrying the American flag be boarded or detained except at the risk of the parties so boarding and detain ing her. Attempts had been made to obtain from all civil ieed nations some kind of agreement by which all officers might know exactly how far they should go in cases of suspicion, and he protected in cases of mistake. In that we had been anticipated by the French government who laid down this law, that in time of peace no French ship should he detained or searched, or boarded, but that certain forms should be gone through without detaining her, which to a certain but very small extent would ens de them to ascertain her nationality and her right to carry the flog. He could not admit the position laid down by the American minister, unless it should be for tified by the opinions of the law officers of her Majesty's Government, that if the American flag was to have per fect immunity, every pirate and every slaver on the face of the sea would carry that flog and no other, thus dishonouring that country and prostituting its flag to the worst and basest purposes. (Rear.) He-thought it very desirable that an ocean policasfiould be formed --that there should be some agreement among states as to how far they should Be a lowed to go for the pur pose of ashertainiug a vessel's nationality. From the conversations he had had with the American minister in this country, and a l so f rom t h e o b servations con tained in an abl e p aper wr i tten by General Case, he was not wi thout strong hopes that some arrangement of that kind would be come to with the United States, which would give the officers of both countr i es the means of verifying a flag without runnin g the risk of giving offence. He thought their lordships would not require him to go into the generel political difficulties at t ending suppression of the sie ve trade. As he said before, the Engli-h Minister was often unable fully to carry out his sentiments, and was obliged to defer in some t espects o the opinion of others. He thought e e had committed a great mistake in sending a squadron to the Cuban waters instead of the African coast. He bad been informed by Admiral Fanshawe, who was about to take Ike command of the Mediterranean tteet, that at the beginning of the Rus sian war the slave trade was neatly t xtingui-hed— t lea t in the first year of his command on the African coast his squadron captured fifty-four savers, that in the following year they captured fifty, and that in the third year the number was reduced to two or three. lie was followed by Admiral Bruce , who stated that number Was infinitesimally small. ' l3 t during th Russian war the greater part of on squ adron u i oe-aswithe drawn from the African coast, and in tie course of those two years the slave trade made consid erable pro gress. He had already referred tohe s number of despatches which had been written to notwithstanding the assistance she had rece i vedpin who.f this country, had not evinced the least gratitude f rom suspicions and fears of Spain with regard to Cub a wer e . always directed to the United States ; and it had been the policy of Ibis country to defend that island against any hoe tile invasion. But he did not hesitate to say in his place in that house that if Spain should continue to show theutter want of principle—the utterand base ingratitude —which ebe had always displayed towards this country, she must expect amity to be exchanged for indifference, and in stead of our taking her part she must expect to suffer whatever consequences might ensue from her conduct. (Hear.) With respect to the case which the noble and learned lord (Brougham) bad referred, the facts were as he bad stated them. During the absence of the captain and a portion of the crew the remaining portion were killed, with the exception of one individual. An Engl ish vessel having heard of the disaster, chased the slaver, who gave hers e lf u p w ith ou t o ff er ing any resistance. She was taken into the Liberian waters. The French authorities claimed the ship, and took her out of the Liberian waters. It app eare d we were no t justified in taking this slaver into Liberian waters without an order or permission from the authorities. Whatever quarrel there may be is between Liberia and the French Government, and her Majesty's Government had no• thing to do with the matter. It would be his duty to protest to the French Government against the course which they were pursuing, which, although it appeared to be a system of immigration, could only be cons dared a renewal of the slave trade. (Hear ) The Earl of CARLISLE expressed his horror at the system of slavery carried on in Cuba, of which he hod been an eye-witness. The suppression of the dame .trade must be carried on with reference to changes and limits cucanastances Care should be taken not to exceed the of our . well-defined . rights and duties, nor to inter.. fere with the general rights of others. But he felt bound to r a p", of this country,pini h ou that, in the long run, the people i pressiou of the el:veot had done so much for the sup- ' and be ye joi:atile, would not adopt a retrograde course ; pact of n andctory HZ '9 hear that there was a pros u(tAon of the dispute between this country Anaerica. Lord WODEEIOUSIn saldLhdowtever much it might have been our duty to put an' slave trade, he doubted whether it was wise to emb o a t l e . the slave trade, as carriediOna speculation for suppressing of other countries. But having done so ,- the in chi ~s mean to say that they ought now to abando n th h eatdid not e° He rejoiced to bear of the course which tied beentuakr". with regard to the United States , and had no d o en doubt that the greatest exaggerations had appeared in the American papers as to what bad been done by the officers of oer cruisers. But be would put it to their lord-hips to consider what would be the feeling of the people of this country if there was an armed squadron in the Channel stopping and searching our outward bound vessels ; whatever might be the reason for doing so by a foreign power it would cause a disagreeable a ri-IE SUN, LONDON FRI DAY E VENINM, MINE lB, 1858. feeling in this country. He felt convinced that the moderate course pursued by her Majesty's Government would tend to calm the existing excitement, and cause some agreement to be came to on the subject. But her Majesty's Government should consider how far it was advisable that we should from time to time be liable to embroil ourselves with a foreign power, which disagree ments, however we might be able to accommodate them, were very inconvenient. He regretted to hear what the noble earl, the Secretary for Foreign Affairs, had said with regard to the French immigration of negroes. He had hoped that the French Government would have re considered that matter. fie agreed that it was neither more nor less than the slave trade, and he hoped that the remonstrances of her Majesty's Government would have effect. This was a proof of the difficulty that existed in dealing with foreign governments in this matter ; ft'r there was no disguising the fact that oth er nations did not look with the same abhorrence on th e slav e trade as we in this country did. There was one point which had not been touched on which he wa s anxious to bring before the notice of the house, and that was our present relations with Brazil with reference to the slave trade and our treaties on the subject. There was in ex istence an act, called Lord Aberdeen's Act, by which this country was precluded from entering into any commercial treaty with Braz'l during the continuance of the slave trade. No doubt that measure had induced the Brazilian Government to act with en erg y i n th e ma t ter , an d had raised a public opinion against the slave trade in that country ; but he thought it would be a wi , e policy to repeal that act, and to enter into a slave trade treaty and at the same time a commercial treaty with Brazil, and generally to modify the policy which was rightly adopted some years ago, but which a lt ere d c i rcums t ances no longer . required. He wa s t o ld th a t t h e genera l t ra d e on the African coast had greatly diminished ; a fact which would be productive of fatal results in reference to the advance of civilisation in that country. He had always wished not only to put an end to the slave trade but to increase the legitimate trade on the African coast which was a large and increasing trade, and carried civilisation and Christianity in its wake. Earl GREY entirely concurred with his noble friend who had jest sat down with regard to the extreme irn portance of the trade with the African coa-t, as the means of civilising and Christianising that country. Bat he must remind him that it was the opinion of every one acquainted with the subject, and especially of Dr. Living stone, that the legitimate trade could not go on until the slave trade was put an end to. Legitimate commerce was destroyed by the slave trade, and it was only by the inter ference of this country that it could be put an end to. The true legitimate trade was increasing, and great hopes had been entertained that the slave trade would be put down. But that bright prospect had been blighted, and that by two great countries--the United States of America and France. He would assert boldly, and without fear of con tradiction, that in the eyes of God and man the United States and France were responsible for the renewal of the African slave trade. With regard to the United States, he concurred in the opinions which had been ex pressed of the necessity of our acting with the greatest caution and forbearance. However indignant we might feel at the monstrous prostitution of the United States' 1 flag, it was not only our dety but true wisdom—having regard to the object in view—to remain rigidly within the line of our duty, and not to put ourselves in the wrong. But he could not help thinking that his noble friend who spoke last attached too much credit to the American accounts of what had occurred, which had not yet been checked by those of our own officers, and that we were acting too hastily. His noble friend spoke of an American squadron in the Cbannel overhauling our outward bound vessels. No doubt we should not allow that for a moment, and he doubted whether we had ever consented to the right of search. Our orders to our officers were, if they knew that a ship was bone ,Mile a vessel belonging to the United States, though she might be engaged in the slave trade, though there was proof legal and moral that she was a slaver, the orders to our cruisers were not to interfere with her ; but we had a treaty with Spain against the slave trade, and we were not to be prevented in the case of a ship coming out of Cuba, though under the United States flag, from ascertaining whether she was a United States ship or whether she was Spanish or not, or whether she had no papers at all, and was consequently a pirate ; in that case only we claimed a right to visit a vessel, and to see what she really was ? If s h e h a d A mer i can papers, we discharged her, and left to the United States the dis• grace of being engaged in such a traffic. But, in order Ito ascertain whether a flag was properly carried by a vessel we must have the right to visit. At the same time he hoped that the orders to our cruisers would be strict not to visit ships against which there was not strong prima facie evidence that they had no right to use the American flag. Great discretion ought to be exercised, and if it was not exercised officers who failed in that respect ought to be recalled. With regard to France the case was stronger. That a great Christian nation, that the great Emperor of France should be a gigantic slave dealer, was a fact almost too disgraceful to be believed ; but so it was. We knew that it was with reference to the ship which was captured by ne groes. We knew that wars were stirred up in Africa in i order that prisoners might be taken for the purpose of being sold to the French Government. France was amenable in the eyes of God and man for destroying legitimate commerce with Africa. It was known that negroes were brought down to the coast and put on board vessels commanded by French officers. In the case in question the slaves rose, and did not murder, but in the exercise of 'a sacred right, the attempt to re • cover their liberty, killed the crew of the veneel when the ship was in the power of the negroes, they having ob tained their liberty by force. The Earl of MALNIESBURY—They could not manage the ship, and our vessel saved them. Earl GREY—That was perfec ly right, but what he thought ought to have been done should have been to put hands on board, and take the ship to Sierra Leone. The Earl of MALMESBURY—She was in Liberian waters, and it could not be done. Earl GREY—Neither the authorities of Liberia, nor any one else, had a right to interfere with the possession of the ship by the negroes, which they had de faeto and de jure, and if we had sent her to any port they chose to go to, no one could have had any right to object. He hoped that poor Liberia would not be brought into the quarrel. We were bound to give these negroes all the assistance in our power, without inquiring into the nationality of those who, by an act of piracy, had taken possession of them. The Earl of ABERDEEN said that the instructions to our officers, unless they had been changed, were drawn up under his superintendence ; and when they were communicated to the'American Government they were approved by Mr. Webster and the Government cf the day ; and he believed that our officers were now acting on those instructions. If that was the case, he was at a loss to comprehend what were called British outrages on American ships. We made no claim to visit or to search any American vessel, slaver or other wise ; and it was only in cases where our cruisers had well-founded suspicions that a vessel was not an Ameri can that they had a right to visit her. That rule was laid down by his noble friend with perfect accuracy, according to the instructions he (Lord Aberdeen) caused to be drawn up under the direction of Sir George Cockburn, Dr. Lushington, and others acquainted with international law. They were then certainly typroved by the American Government, and he did not know what new circumstances had arisen to cause difficulties in those waters. If our officers obeyed heir instructions it %as iruporsible that there could he any such difficulty, and he hoped he should not hear that those instructions had been changed. They were suffi cient f,r tits purpose, the American Govtrnunent had no injection to teem, and if they were only acted on with caution there could be no difficulty. For when cur cruisers had a suspicion that a vessel bearing the Ameri can flag was not an American, the officers were bound to writs in the log what it was that caused that suspicion, It was not from mere caprice that they would overhaul a vessel bearing the American flag, but there must be a reasonable suspicion that she was not a vessel of the country whose flag she carried before they could venture to visit, still less to search her. This was necessary, for, in the first place, a vessel might hoist no flag at all, and all you had to do was to ascertain what she was, and if then she turned ont to be a pirate, you could deal with her ; or if s h e was a S pan i s h vesse l , or a vessel belong ing to a power with which you had a treaty, you could deal with her. In the case of an American vessel, or a vessel belonging to a power with which we had no treaty we could not interfere in any manner ; even if she war full of slaves she might go on her way and we could not arrest her. That was the law of the case, and in which the A mer i can G overnment had acquiesced. That being the case, he was at a loss to understand what was meant by British outrages in American waters. He agreed it was desirable to limit the action of our squadron more to the coast of Africa than has recently been the case, rather ehnad t emt h lm a eel n:no looking directwhka eihad h dncgobvue e t eti hefiorn treated, vh e t a o tsep t d h i tth c oa o ft a s u t nl o e f Cuba. th conciliation e i in which w American ss whic a h s ynmotuchlieue inhan ged since he had to deal bringing it to a satisfac tory conclusion. He would only say a word with regard to an act which had b een i ntroduced by him, andwas called by his name, but which he believed in Brazil was called the Algerine Act. (Cheers and laughter.) hter ) When he brought in th at act he assured the Brazilian Government that nothing would give him so much pleasure as when the day arrived when be should move the repeal of that act. He was not sure that the time had arrived yet, but he hoped and believed that her Majesty's government, who must have more in formation on the subject, looked forward to the same object, and that the conduct of Brazil entitled it to con sideration ; and be would only recommend to their care the realisation of the hope which he had ventured to ex- press. The Earl of HARDWICICE said that with regard to any change in the American government on this ques tion, it would seem that their feelings had become more acute with respect to it. Our squadron bad approached nearer to their coast, and it was not the custom in the time of the noble earl (Aberdeen) for our cruisers to carry on operations on the coast of Cuba. What was the cause of the alteration in the system ho did not know. But there had been an alteration ; and believing as he did that the officers of our navy had acted with caution, and at the same time with activity and zeal, yet it %vacf po! , - Bible that they might have overstepped the line which the noble earl opposite desired to see kept, and it might turn out that we were not without some blame in the matter. Great indignation had been expressed by several noble lords that the whole course of the policy of this country, which was to bring about an amelioration of the condition of the African negroes, and for which roe had used such exertions, should have been turned aside; a,ered ja.t at the time when we believed that was the grea thrown a g n ( a. r d t s t diminution in tee export of .-laves, and the Afritc:: „%mprov.ement in the cultivation of the soil in should have been arrested and over to art • l t enagch other with a view to slave•hunting the chiefs of that country induced suddenly in order to sell n gre ee to those who required them. The noble earl (Grey)had been very severe on the government of France. There could be no doubt that on the coast of Africa a process was carried on which stimulated the slave trade, and which was aided and abetted the the officers and ships of France. But he was bound to say that the course pursued by the French Government was strictly in accordance with the desire to their lordships. It should be know and understood that those unfortunate beings who were procured for the purpose of becoming free labourers, on arriving on board French ships received the kindest treatment. From that time their manacles were struck off, and their wages began from the time they came on board ; and, except in a few instances, he learnt from papers which he had seen that their condition was totally changed from the moment they came into the hands of the French. They were treated as hired labourers, and dealt with not on the footing of slaves, but of free men. He men tiered this in order to do justice to the French govern merit, and be knew that they had declared that if it was proved that the proceeding was calculated to produce such injurious results as had been stated, they were pre pared to deal with it, while steps bad been taken which were calculated to meet the views of this country on the subject. The Earl of CLARENDON asked if the noble earl bad any objection to lay en the table any papers which showed what the treatment of the negroes in question was on board ship. He bad beard with satisfaction, but at the same time with surprise, the statement of the noble earl ; for it was totally contrary to that which he had previously heard ; fur it had been stated, that not only at Liberia, hut at other places where French ships stopped with negroes on board, some of them swam on shore, and gave an account of the want of humanity with which they had been treated. The Earl of lIARDWICKE said, no doubt there were great mistakes on the subject. As to the manner in which these apprentices were treated from their cap ture till they fell into the hands of the French, no doubt there was the greatest cruelty shown to them, but their treatment by the French was different from that of in human slavers. If his noble friend wished to sea the papers, be would move for them. The Earl of CLARENDONsaid he would move for the papers. There must be some mistake in the statement of the manner in which these slaves were-got. They were got on the east and west coast of Africa. On the east coast 'hey were got by means of agents, but on the west coast they were obtained in the same way as slaves were usually obtained, that is by means of wars between dif ferent tribes, and by capture ; and they only question as to whether they were to go to France or to Cuba was the price given. The French had contracted with the King of Dahomey to furnish negroes at forty dollars a head, but be did not furnish them, because the Spanish agents offered 80 dollars a bead. But as far as he had heard, these people, when on board French ships, were not treat-el in the manner described by his noble friend. It was necessary that they should be treated in a particular way in order to stow away a large number of persons in an inadequate space ; for that reason they were mana cled, for that reason the hatches were closed and sentries placed over them. All the evidence showed that there was no difkr,:nce in their treatment and that of slaves in ordinary cases. If these facts were true and were proved, the French immigration of negroes was the slave trade and nothing more, and in consequence of the represen tations of our Government there had been a change in their treatment, it would be a great satisfaction it any papers showing that were produced, and he would move for hem. The Earl of MALMESBURY thought that no public interest would be served by the production of the papers. They were nothing but a controversy which was going o❑ between the two Governments as to the result of the new French system of immigration of negroes. There had been instances and places where no cruelty bad been used, and where the negroes had been comparatively well treated, and where not so many had been put on hoard as in other ships. There was no doubt that France bad produced instances showing that much dis cretion had been observed i❑ shipping the negroes and taking care of them afterwards. (Hear.) But that did not affect the main question, whether this could he said to be anything but the slave trade. He could only re peat what his noble friend had said—that the French Government had invariably declared what he believed they intended—that they would not continue the system if they found in practice that it was accompanied by the evils anticipated. Lord STANLEY of ALDERLEY expressed bis satisfaction with the noble earl's statement, and in quired whether the Government were is possession of any papers ; and, if so, whether they would be pro duced, showing whether or not the ship was captured in the Liberian waters. He wished to knew whether any correspondence had taken place with the French Govern ment in respect to the re-capture ; and, if so, whether the noble lord would lay it before the house ! The Earl of MALMESBURY replied that they had no information from any official person on the subject. All the information they had was contained in a private letter addressed by Mr. Chillingham to the Foreign-office. Lord STANLEY of ALDERLEY hoped some offi cial inquiry would be made as to what were the real cir cumstances of the case. The subject then dropped. THE OATHS BILLS.-ADMISSION OF JEWS TO PARLIAMENT. Lord DENMAN inquired what course it was pro posed to adopt with regard to the Lot ds' amendments in the Oaths Bill, to which the Commons had disagreed —whether it was intended to send the bill back to the Commons with an intimation that their lordships in sisted upon their amendments ; or whether it was pro posed to wait until after their lordships's decision had been taken upon the two bills introduced by Lord Lucan and Lord Lyndhurst The Earl of LIARDIVICKE replied that her Ma jesty's Government considered the question was one for the house to deal with rather than themselves. So far as they were concerned they were desirous that the bi 1 should go down to the Commons as soon as possible. Lord REDESDALE held that the proper course was to send the bill back to the Commons, from which any proposition for a compromise ought to come, and that neither of the other bills should be entertained until the bill which had been already considered by both housos was disposed of. Lord STANLEY of ALDERLEY thought it inex pedient to send back the bill with the reasons of their lordships for adhering to their amendments until they had considered the other two bills, and determined how far they could adopt them. The Earl of MALMESBURY considered the more straightforward and dignified course was to intimate at once to the Commons that their lordships could not con sent to abandon their amendments. There was nothing to prevent their doing this, and taking the other two bills afterwards. _ _ _ Earl GRANVILLE was of opinion that it would be more convenient to deal with the question altogether, and having determined what they would do with the two bills which had been introduced to send bac't the other bill to the Commons with the reasons for insisting upon the amendments. The LORD CHANCELLOR reminded their _lord ships that they had by a large majority deterrninea not to acquiesce in any measure for admitting Jews to Pa: - !lament, and not to consent to any compromise ; bit if after all theca was to be a compromise, it ought surely proceed from the other house. The proper course was to send back the bill with the reasons, and then if any noble lord chose to b r i ng f or wai d an y meas ure by which the difficulty might bo arranged, it would be competent for him to do so. Lord STANLEY of ALDERLEY observed that the comprotni-e had already been cffired in the two bills which the two noble lords opposie had laid upon the table. ("No.") Certainly the object cf those bills was to settle this Ling-ccntested question—(hear, heat) —and to send back the other bill to the Commons with the reasons for adhering to the amendments, until they had decided upon what should be done with the bills which bad been initiated in their lordships' house for settling the question, would scarcely be a convenient curse. Viscount DUNGANNON was opposed to any com promise in the matter, objecting upon principle to ad mitting Jews into Parliament. The conversation then dropped, it being understood that the bills referred to would be taken next week, as already arranged. Their lordships adjourned at half-plst 8 o'clock. HOUSE OF COMMONS.—(YESTERDAY.) MR. CONIMISSIONER IIA.RGREA.VE. Sir E.,PERRY, seeing the Attorney-General for Ire land in his place, was anxious to put a question respect ing the Encumbered Estates Court Bill, which was under discussion for some hours on Tuesday last, and rospectiag which the house was precluded, by the late ness of the hour, from coming to a division. The ques tion he wished to put was, whether her Majesty's Go vernment had since considered the matter, and whether they were still of opinion that it would not be expedient to retain the services of Mr. Commissioner Hargreave in the new court, instead of pensioning him off upon his full salary. Mr. WHITESIDE said that since the debate to which the hon. and learned gentleman referred several learned gentlemen had represented to him that the busines of the new court would be very heavy, and had expressed a desire that Mr. Hargreave should be retained. Under these circumstances, and believing those statements to be correct, he begged to say that, so far as he was able to ascertain, it was the intention of her Majesty's Go vernment to consent to Mr. Reweave being retained as a third judge. (Hear, hear.) THE 100ret REGIMENT. Mr. CONINGHAK moved for returns of the total cost of levying the 100th Re g iment of the line. General PEEL assented, but it would be come time before the returns couid be laid upon the table. Tau returns were ordered accordingly. SALE OF COMMISSIONS. Lord BURGH LEY asked the Secretary of State for War whether the Commander-in-Chief had the power t ) direct the sale on the public account of such commis sions in the army as are at present disposed of at the Horse Guards without purchase ? Gen. PEEL—In answer to my noble friend, I think that the General Commanding-ie Chief has not the power to direct the sale of any commissions without the sane lion and authority of the Secretary of State for War. THE NAVY—BREECH-LOADING RIFLES. Mr. H. BERKELEY a-ked the First Lord of the Admiralty whether, seeing that the marines and small arms men of the American navy aro armed with breech loading rifles, by which each man can fire three times for once from any opponent armed with tee old weapon —whether any steps have been taken to place the naval forces of Great Britain upon an eqeslity with those of America ? Sir J. PAKINGTON said he entirely concurred in what he believed to be the spirit of the hon. gentleman's question, namely that the marines and seamen of the British navy ought to be arme d in the moat effi Icient mangier, and that any improvements adopted in other countries should not be lost sight of in this. No breech loading rifles had as yet been given out to the British navy, but trials of those weapons had been going on, the result of which pointed to the expediency of some modification. He could assure the hon. gentleman that the subject would receive the attention it deserved. DRAINAGE—IRELAND. On the motion of Mr. CAIRO returns were ordered showing, in separate sums, the remissions made by the Treasury (461,973/. 124. 11d.), under the Act 16 and 17 Vic., c, 130, of moneys advanced for arttrial drainage in Ireland to the 31st of Marcb, 1858 ; distinguishing the localities to which such remissions have been made, and the parties who were exempted from repayment ; together with astatement of the specific grounds in each case on which the Treasury exercised the power of re mission conferred by the act. COUNTY COURTS. On the motion of Sir J.TRELAWN EY returns were orlered of the total estimated amount of the fee fund of the county courts for the year 1857, also the total esti mated amount of the salaries of the registrars, and of salaries and allowances to high bailiffs, respectively ; also the names of displaced registrars, and the amount of annuities by way cf compensation granted to each ; also the names of persons to whom compensations under the Act to and 10 Vic. c. 95, have been made, and the amount of compensation paid to each of such persons ; also the amount of expense for providing court-housce, offices, stationary, and printing, on each of the county court circuits, and the expense of offices in each district court of each circuit. THE INDIAN RE HE SOLUTIONS—BUSINESS OF T HOUSE. Mr. FITZROY brought up the report on the Indian resolutions, which was agreed to. Leave was given to bring i❑ a bill founded upon such resolutions, and the CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, Lord STANLEY, and Mr. FITZROY wore ordered to bring in the same. Lord STANLEY, amidst much cheering, immediately brobight in the bill entitled Government of India (No. 3) Bill. The bill was read a first time, and the second reading fixed for Thursday evening next. Sir J. GRAHAM asked the Chancellor of the Ex chequer what the business would be to-morrow (this evening) The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that it wa, not the intention ef the Government to go into committee of supply to-morrow (this) evening. They would, in the first place, take the Funded Debt Rill ; after that the Transfer of Land (Ireland) Bill. lie was given to understand that during his absence some inquiry had been made rupecting the Galway Disfranchisement Bill. Now, he should be very happy to assist the hon. gentleman who had charge of that bill by allowing him full time for its di-cussion at a❑ early period, and with that view he would endeavour to bring that bill also on to-morrow (thi,.) evening. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said the Funded Debt Mil would be the first order of the slay to-morrow. THE COMMISSIONERS FOR THE EXHIBITION OF 1851 BILL. On the order of the day for the second reading of this The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said the Royal Commissioners, finding themselves in possession .f a large surplus fund Irons the Exhibition of 1851, which they were bound by their charter to devote to the encouragement of science and art, prepared a report on the causes why such a sum was not at all equal to the wealth of this c iuntry, and in that report they attributed the amount of the surplus, only 250,000/. to the want cf system, and the want of space for such exhibitions, and stated their opinion that the want of system was due to the want of space. This sum, therefore, was proposed by the commissioners to be devoted to the purchase of land, if the Government would consent to add an equal sum to it for that purpose ; and accordingly a vote was taken "'and a turn of 350,000/. was ultimately absorbed in the purchase of land in the immediate neighbourhood of Kensington. That course was taken with a view to the public benefit, and under the direct sanction of Parliament. That same year a committee of this house reported against affording additional room for the recep tion of works of art on the present site of the National Gallery ; and, therefore, a Royal Commission was issued and reported very much against the present site, and in dicated the open spaces in the vicinity of Hyde-park, which were sub'equently purchased as a desirable pthi tion for the National Gallery. About the Fame time, 1853, we added a new department to our public institu tions—namely, the department of Science and Art, and en the application of the then Chancellor of the Ex chequer, the schools were located in Marlborough-house, at a merely nominal rent. When Marlborough-house was afterwards wanted, those who administered the Kensington estate allotted twelve acres for erecting a temporary museum, the success of which has been so eminent, that sicc3 its erection a greater number of persons have visited it than have attended the British :Museum. Frem that time, during the three or four years which followed, although the course of Parlia ment had very much tended to delay, yet, on the whole, there has been progress, though it was slow. Another committee appointed to inquire into the National Gallery reported against the present site, and pointed out such conditions for the new site as clearly indicated the space in the neighbourhood of Kensington. Another Royal Commission which was issued reported in unison with the other reports which I have already referred to. Up to that time the general course and tendency of Parliament had been to fulfil the wishes of the Royal Commissioners as pointed out in their charter of 1852. But in 1856 a very great change took place. An address for a Royal Commission to inquire into the best site for a national gallery was moved for by a noble lord who always takes an active and distinguished part on quee tione of that kind, the noble lord the member for Redding tonehire (Lord Elcho.) (Hear.) At that time it was clearly understood that the new National Gallery was to be erected at Kensington-gore ; and a vote of 27,000/. had been before that taken " for the erection of a new National Gallery." The noble lord's motion was carried, and a Royal Commission was issued. Whatever might be the cause or the accident of that Parliamentary di- N ision, as to which I am not now going to speculate, certain it is that the decision arrived at by the Royal Commissioners, after due inquiry and deliberation, was against the erection of the new National Gallery at Ken• sington, and against the removal of the National Gal lery from the present site. (Hear.) After that it became necessary to consider the propriety of keeping the money longer in the unsatisfactory state in which it had been sunk for at least five years. The commissioners com plained that they were not allowed to carry out the ob jects for which they had been appointed under their charter ; and they at length proposed a dissolution of the barren partnership with the Government on the cendi tion of a mutual release from all conditions, in the hope that out of their own unaided resources they might be able to do what they coul(i. That, however, was a pro position which required the eerious considerwion of the country. We felt, however, that the decision which this house arrived at was conclusive against the removal of the National Gallery from its present site. We know that the Royal Commissioners had suffered from the state of things which had existed ; and as we were unable to hold out to them any expectation that we ghoul f take any steps to reeler to the feelings and views of the Go vernment of 1852, we thought it best to accept their se cond proposition, if we would agree as to terms. The terms which were offered to us were these. It was proposed that the capital which had been expended by the Govern ment ehould be repaid by the Royal Commissioners, which was about 177,500/., and that there should be added to that amount the moiety of what had been received for rents, raising it to the sum of about 182,000/. That is the proposition now before the house, and the object of the bill is to carry it out and dissolve the partnership which now subsists between the Government and the Royal Commissioners. S , me remarks were made when I mentioned the arrangement a short time since, which it will be as well for me to notice ; at the same time there was a general feeling in favour of a dissolution of the partnership. It was said that interest ought to he paid upon the money advanced by Government—(hear)-- . — hut I think that proposition cannot be fairly ma intained. The Royal Commission ers equa ll y com pl a i n that their capital has been lying idle during the whole of this pe riod, except to the limited extent in which the Govern ment will share, and I do not think there is any weight in the objection. Another objection hag been that the value of the laud has greatly increased since it was pur chased five years ago. There is no doubt that it has, and it would certainly be a sign of decay of the metropo'is, if not of the country, if the value had not increased. But its value has increased as building land, and it is more valuable to a speculative builder, who intends to cover it with squares a n d crescents, t h an to the R oya l Commis sioners, who are to hold it, in pursuance of their charter, for purposes of art and science. Although the connection between the Government and the Commissioners ceases, they do not give up their original design of devoting the land to such objects. It would therefore be ungenerous to exact an increasedsum from the Royal Commissioners, when we should thereby prevent the accomplishment of those pubiin purposes which we ourselves have been the cause of their not having been sooner accomplished. I trust, therefore, that the house wilt agree in this view of the case. Tee first clause of the bill proposes the general arrangement I bare explained. The second section refers to the plot of ground, about 121- acres, which has been used by the Government for the erection of the museums ,and schools of art which were originally located at Msrl borough-house. The third clause proposes that such land may be retained under certain conditions ; and the con dition which Government recommend the house to adopt is, that so long as the land is kept by a public depart ment no rent sh ou ld b o pa id f or it, but if we find it con venient for the public service so to do, we shall be allowed to take it up for a certain sum, which the Go vernment shall fix, and which will he substracted from the purchase money which the Royal Commissioners are now about to return to the Government. I know the house would like to have soma idea of the value of this land, and I have ascertained that the sum to be paid would be about 60,000/. This calculation has been made upon the principle of not taking the land at an increased) value, but according to the sum paid for the land origi nally. A sum of 14,0001. (in addition to 6,0001.. paid by in p forming r ivate individuals) roads, a i was arg expended portion b o y f the which C e e m p l e; t u ce ; e s belongs peculiarly to this plot of land. In , addition . to this the Royal Commissioners have sexpenoed upon te e Museum 5.000/. or 6,000/. beyond the amount voted by Parliament ; and taking a.?I these things into censidera. Lion, it has been thought that 60,000/. was a fair value to be placed upon the land. Bat the Government, of course, has a great check - , because the value is to be fixed by the Treasury itself. I hope the Royal Coramimioners freed from the trammels of the Government, will be able to accomplish their original purpose ; and I am confident that they are objects which, if accomplished, will tend to advance the interests of art and science in this country. Mr. BRISCOE was glad to hear from the right hon. gentleman the statement that it was the intentiou of the , Government to retain the National Gallery in its present situation. (The Chancellor of the Exchequer intimated dissent.) He hoped he had not misunderstood the right hon. gentleman, as he thought it was most important that the gallery should not be removed to Kensington. Mr. SPOONER said that he cheered the right hon. gentleman when he made the announcement that the part nership between the Government and the Royal Commis sioners was about to terminate ; and when the right hon. gentleman did him the honour to ask him if be would consent to putting his name en the back of the bid he willingly did so. But he now found that the bill only partially dissolved the partnership and retained some objectionable features. He objected to the Govern • ment paying 60,0001. for this pieca of land, which he thought ought to be paid by the Royal Commissioners. He was not satisfied that the improvement of art and science was a great national object ; and if it, conferred any benefit on the working man, it was yet such a re mote one that he could not consent to the working man being taxed to contribute when he had the greatest diffi culty in contributing to the necessary requirements of the State. He should not oppose the second reading of the bill, but in committee he should move that the clause empowering the Government to purchase this land for I 60,0001. should be struck out. It was certainly his in tention to move the omission of the clause in committee. When the first grant of 150,0001. was made, it was sup• posed that it would be anal, but two other grants had been made since then. He (Mr. Spooner) always pro tested against the expenditure of public money for the promotion of art and science. He contended that they ought be supported by those who were immediately benefitted by them. It was sometimes said that the pub lic cultivation of art tended to the benefit of trade; well, then, let those who were interested in trade promote the cultivation of art, and let not the expenses be thrown upon the working man. Mr. KINNAIRD observed that the right hon. gen tleman the Chancellor of the Exchequer said that the purchase of the land had not been a satisfactory invest ment, but he (Mr. Kinnaird) bad been told that the land had since doubled or trebled in value. He was also told that the money was to be raised upon some portion of the land, and the rest to be sold. He protested, however, against the sale, and be hoped that in committee every information would be afforded as to the question whe ther interest might not be paid to the Commissioners and the land retained. Mr. PALK protested against the opinion that money was misapplied when devoted to the purposes of promot ing art and science. He believed the cflerts that had been made to educate the poor in art and science had been most beneficial, and had done much to remove the slur which had been cast upon articles of English work manship, namely, that however good they might be in price and quality, they were inferior in taste and design to articles of the same nature made on the Continent. He thought there ought to be more schools of art ; and he should have been glad to hear of some arrangement which might have collected together under one roof all the best and most valuable articles of art in the country, so as to be easily accessible to all classes of artisans. It would be at once evident thatthe site of Trafalgar-square would be too small for a building large enough to contain all the collected art treasures of the kingdom ; and as for the want of centralisation he thought that would be got over by the railways, which must some day traverse London from one end to the other. He trusted, how• ever, that this bill would be discussed in committee in a liberal and fair spirit. Mr. ALCOCK said that if this partnership were to be dissolved, a. he trusted it might be, be thought they ought not to haggle about the price of the land. (Hear, hear.) But he certainly thought that every penny of the money paid by the Treasury ought to be reimbursed to them ; and secondly, that if this partnership were dissolved, it ought to he dins: Iced totally and entirely. (Hear.) Lord J. RUSSELL said he did not doubt that is com mittee the Right Hon. the Chancellor of the Exchequer would explain the various items which had been objected to in this vote. But be thought the hon. memberforNov h Warwickshire (Mr. Spooner) was mistaken in his view of this bill. The land in question was purchased partly by a grant from the public, and partly from the money col lected at the Exhibition of 1851. The hon, gentleman surely did not expect that the R )yal Commissioners who undertook that expenditure, who took the money and laid it out in this purchase, should be obliged to give up the land which had been purchased with this money. The commissioners received this money, which they were con sidered to hold in trust, and they were now disposed to raise the money and repay that which was owing to the State, and taken from the State, and in the next place to lay out such a sum as would enable them to pay for the buildings erected, or to be erected, for the purposes of science and art, as they might think useful. But the commissioners could not do these things without dispos ing of a portion of the ground, and their purpose was to use other parts of the land for public buildings. He thought the proposition of the Chancelor of the Exche quer was a right and fair one. (Hear.) Mr. J. LOCKE said the buildings would stand upon ground purchased by the Royal Commissioners, and if the partnership was to be dissolved, be thought the buildings would have to go with the land. If he under stood the proposition, it was that 60,0001. should be set apart by the commissioners, and to be repaid in diminu tion of the capital expended by the house. It that were so, instead of get'ing interest on their capital, they would not get back the capital itself. He thought they khould not have any further connection with the land. The Royal Commissioners had improved the land, and now that the partnership was to be dissolved, they would be entitled to the whole value of it, and also the build ings upon it, and in his opinion it would be well to let the commi-sioners take those buildings off their hands. The project was that of the commissioners, and not that of the State. He had divided against the expenditure of this public money, and he should now call for an entire dissolution. (Hear.) Mr. DRUMMOND said whenever they discussed the subject of buildings f or na ti ona l purposes , b e a l ways found great confusion in the minds of hon. members as to the objects for which they were required. Hon. mem bers coupled together two things, which were wholly dissimilar—science and art. (Laughter.) In science everything was capable of demonstration, but in art nothing was capable of demonstration. In science the country had a direct interest--take, for instance, the Geological Museum in Piccadilly, which was the beet school of mines in the country ; but had that to do with art This confusion caused groat mischief amongst those people who got a sort of reputation for understand ing art, though that reputation generally did not last long. They ought to keep art and ecience separate, for the two things were wholly dissimilar. Mr. CONINGHAM thought this would he simply a dissolution of partnership in name, so long as there re mained any partnership in the buildings. He would remind the house that the Sheepshanks collection was at Kensington, and it was a sort of auxiliary to the National Collection. He confsseed that he always viewed proceedings with regard to this matter with the greatest suspicion. As to the Notional Gallery remain ing in Trafalgar-square, he felt quite eatisfied, but lie should divide against the clause which in any way con tinued the objectionable partnership between the com- missionere and the State. Mr. ADDERLEY wished to remind the house that the Royal Commissioners were constituted in 1851, long subsequent to the date when the partnership between , cienco and art was commenced. The money now to be repaid was advanced by the Government to enable the commissioners to purchase the - property, an d t h e part nership then commenced might bo dissolved, although the Government would retain a portion of the land for national purposes. It would be impossible to hand over everything to the commissioners. The schools esta• blished by the Government had greatly benefited the I nation, and trade had been promoted. He would remind the house that this debate was departing from the rules of the house ; and a discussion on this subject would be much more regular when he brought before the house the condition of 'his branch of education. Lord ELCHO said be merely rose to say that he thought the Government hld come to a wise decision in not removing the National Gallery from Trafalgar souare ; it was desirable that the house should clearly understand the Eutject before they gave up their power of retaining this site, which might be useful for national purposes._ Mr. COWPER thought they could not give up the schools which were established in 1839, and which had been extended over the country. if they gave up these buildings they could have to find others for these schools, and it should be remembered that Mr. Sheepshanks gave his collection to the country on condition that it should be deposited at Kensington. To remove that collec ion would be a breach of trust. He thought that this department had afforded a most valua ble stimulus to our domestic manufactures, particularly in respect to ornamental designs, in which this country had hitherto been very much behind ; at the present time, however, so much progress bad been made in this respect that persons who had the direction of the art schools in France had signified their intention of copy ing some portions of our system which they considered better than their own. (Hear, bear.) Mr. W. EWART thought it highly gratifying that the central school of art which had been established now extended its ramifications throughout the country. Mr. AYRTON said that in the selection of the present site for the museum —namely, Kensington —the labour ing classes, for whose benefit it professed to have been established, had in no way been consulted. Those per sons lived at the east end of London, and he thought it ahsurb to place the museum at Kensington. He con tended that it ought to be got rid of altogether, with a view of establishing it in a more central part of the metropali. , , so as that it might be within reasonable dis tance of those who devoted their lives to the pursuits which the institution was specially intended to foster. (Hear, hear.) Mr. BERESFORD-HOPE expressed his concurrence in the observations of the hon. member for the Tower Hamlets (Mr. Ayrton); but until some other and, for the working classes, more convenient museum was found, the collections of art had better be kept at ]3rompton. Mr. WILSON said that the bill would in no way prevent the House cf Commons from deciding at a future period for the removal of the collection now at Kensington to any other locality—(hear, bear) merely provided for the ultimate and permanent sstte rnent of th e p ar t nersh i p, but it was necessary that the i House of C ommons should retain an interest n the land, or they would sacrifice to the Commissisners of the Royal E x l,ibi t i on all that they lead already expended on the hu ldinge. After a few word frnn Mr. A. SMITH, Mr. F. CROSSLEY said it had been stated tl at trade and manufactures were very much indebted to those schools for designs. As a person who bad con siderable experience in that matter, he could say they were perfectly useless. The pupils when asked to pro. duce designs were perfectly at sea. As usual, the Government made the worst hand of anything which they undertook. It would be better to leave manufac turers to themselves, and save the country this mere loss of money laid out on men on high salaries to teach these school. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER assured the house that there was no connection between the Royal Commissioners and these schools of design. He was responsible for the arrangement on which this bill had been founded. The commissioners, of course, were quite willing to give up all the money ; but then they would have required the Government to give up all the land, and to find museum, and galleries, and schools for the Sheepshanks and other collections, and that the Government were not in a position to do. That, therefore, was the reason why he had introduced the second clause into the bill. The sum which had been mentioned was as near as possible the original price paid for the building. Notwithstanding the passing of this bill, the commissioners would still continue to carry into effect the purposes for which they had been consti tuted. There would be ornamental grounds and gardens equal in extent to the enclosed part ci St. James's-park, and there would be museums and galleries ; but all that would now be done by private resources, and would, to some extent, be self-supporting. The bill was then read a second time. THE JOINT-STOCK COMPANIES ACTS AMENDMENT BILL. The house went into committee on this bill. On clause 7, Mr. WILSON inquired what the operation of this bill was intended to be with reference to the existing state of the law I The SOLICITOR GENERAL said the legi,lation of this country on the winding-up ac's, with regard to joint stock companies, was by no means in a creditable state. A number of acts had been passed for that purpose, and they were not altogether consistent one with another ; but although they were introducing a bill this year to meet existing exigencies, he yet hoped that next year they would sweep one and all of them away, and introduce a general act, in which the public might obtain all the information requisite on the subject. (Hear.) In the Act of 1856 certain clauses were inserted to ec able companies when in difficulty to wind up their affairs by voluntary act. So far as the shareholders were con cerned, that was very convenient. But then a difficulty arose, fur a creditor might net be content with such a proceeding, and he might desire to come into Chancery and have it made compulsory, and that he could do. To remedy that difficulty the Act of 1857 was passed, and section 19 of that act provided that where there bad been an incipient voluntary winding-up, and afterwards a creditor should come before the Court to have a com pulsory winding-up, the Court should be enabled, if the proceedings theretofore had been fair and jest to all par ties, to assume these proceedings instead of superseding them for the advantage of the creditor. But the clause was so meagre and so destitute of those provisions and that machinery requisite for giving it eff ct that much difficulty had beeen found in carrying it out. Sir R. BETHELL pointed out the necessity of more comprehensive legislAtior, instead of dealing with it by piecemeal. There was complete antagonism in the law between compulsory and voluntary winding up, and he thought it was a state of things which ought to be put an end to. He should not oppose the clause. Toe clause was then agreed to, as were also clauses 8 to 16, inclusive. Upon clause 19, Mr. AYRTON, referring to the great expense which bad attended the British Bank prosecutions, thought it was a most unwise provision that the expensive ma chinery of putting the Attorney-General in motion, to conduct the prosecutions under the act, should be re sorted to. The SOLICITOR-GENERAL said there was a double check—first, the discretion of the Court; secondly, the discretion of the Attorney-General. Mr. AYRTON said his objection was that the prosecu tion ought to be instituted in the same way as in the case of perjury in a court of law, when the judge ordered a pro secution, which was carried on in the ordinary way. The clause was then agreed to. The SOLICITOR-GENERAL said in case of a com pulsory winding up the Court would be able to ascertain by the bill whether the case was one fit for a public pro secution. But in a private winding up there would be only the private liquidator, aho was the agent of the shareholders. The discretion which they could not trust to private individuals, they might safely entrust to the Court. Mr. MALINS said the explanation of his learned friend did not appear to him satisfactory. Liquidators ought not to have the power of rushing into prosecutions at the expense of the unfortunate shareholders. The cumbrous expense and trouble they were obliged to re sort to in the case of the British Bank, in which 10,0001. were spent, was a disgrace to the administra tion of justice. There ought to be some simple mode of procedure. Sir R. BETHELL observed that the prosecution of the British Bank directors was instituted under the old state of the law. Every step was taken under the con• currence of a most eminent member of the present Go vernment, and every step was taken to ensure the con viction of the offenders. He thought the prosecution ought only to be instituted with the consent of the Court. (Hear, hear ) Mr. BRAMLEY-MOORE thought liquidators ought not to have the power of instituting prosecutions against delinquent directors, for a colourable prosecution might be got up and the guilty parties might escape. Neither did he think that the expense should be paid out of the funds of the company. He thought it would be ai well if the clause were omitted. Mr. ADAMS did not think such prosecutions ought to be instituted without the consent of the Court. The SOLICITOR GENERAL would propose in the next stage of the bill that it should be lawful for the Court to direct the liquidators to carry on a prosecu tion in the same manner as •a commissioner under the Bankruptcy Act. On clause 21, • Sir R. BETHELL suggested that this clause should be withdrawn. The SOLICITOR-GENERAL, after Explaining the object of the clause, consented to its withdrawal. The other clauses of the bill then passed through com mittee, and the house resumed. WILLS, &c., OF BRITISH SUBJECTS ABROAD BILL. Upon the second reading of this bill, Sir R. BETHELL said he thought his learned friend the Attorney-General agreed with him that it would be inconvenient to take the discussion on this bill upon the present occasion. He himself :hould have to ask leave of the house to introduce a bill founded upon a different principle. The question was a most important one, and it was extremely desirable that England should net be insular in its legislation. Upon the understanding, then, that t he discussion should come on on a future occasion, he should consent to the bill being road a second time pro forma. T►te SOLICITOR-GENERAL, in the absence of the Attorney-General, said he would consent to this arrangement on behalf of his hon. and learned friend. The hill was then read a second time. COWLEY'S CHARITY BILL.—HARVEY'S CHARITY BILL. These bills were read a second time. BRISTOL MUNICIPAL CHARITIES BILL. Upon the motion for the second reading of this bill, Mr. ADAMS remarked upon the new principle of introducing bills of this nature, and thought that all these various matters ought to come on for considera tion together, and bo embodied in one act. The SOLICITOR-GENERAL said that perharithis hon. friend was not aware that this was the only way in which, according to the present state of the law, these matters could be dealt with, and he was not sure that his hoe, friend's recommendation was a desirable one. After a few words from Mr. BAINZS, Tee bill was reeds second time. THE CLERKS OF PETTY SESSIONS (IRE- LAND BILL. Lord NAAS moved the second reading of this bill. Mr, BAGWELL approved of the provisions of the bill generally, but thought they would require amend ment in committee. Mr. SULLIVAN also approved of the bill and thought the noble lord the Chief Secretary deserved great praise for the manner in which he bad prepared it. After a few words frotu Mr. BLAKE, Mr. GREGORY thanked the noble lord for the man ner in which he had considered the whole question, which had been for years a perpetual source a annoy ance. He had read the bid and gene' ally approved of it. Lord NAAS expressed great satiefaction at the re ception the bill had met with, and explained those provisions which had been objected to, and which could be amended in committee. He hoped there would be ample funds in the hands of the Irish Government for the purposes of the ac'. Mr, DE VERE congratulated the noble lord on the success the bill bad met with, and asked whether it would be necessary to require an oath to be taken from the clerks ! If so, it ought to be framed iu clear and intelligible terms. The bill was then read a second time. THE CHANCERY PROCEDURE AMENDMENT BILL. The amendments of the Lords to this bill were con sidered and agreed to. THE NISI PRIUS COURT (IRELAND) BILL. Mr. WHITESIDE moved the second reading of this bill. Mr. BAGWELL said the bill created a new office, to which a salary was attached of 300/. a-year. He should like some explanation as . to the neces s ity o f th e o ffi ce. Mr. WHITESIDE said a new nisi prius court had been established a short time since, and that no registrar had been appointed to discharge the duties. The bill was then read a second time. DURHAM COUNTY PALATINE JURISDICTION BILL. The house went into committee on this bill. Mr. A. SMITII objected to the extensive and arbi trary powers which it was sought to confer upon the Crown under the provisions of the bill. Mr. HAMILTON explained that the object of the bill was merely to carry out an arrargement made in 1357, between the Crown and the bishopric of Durham. The sixth clause saved to all persons and bodies corporate and p‘ditic the same rights which they bail before the bill, and there was therefore no aggression on the rights cf the public whatever. The bill, as amended, then paned through committee, and the heue resumed. PUBLIC HEALTH BILL. Upon the %lotion for going into committee upon this Mr. .PALK objected to the indefinite character of the a!:(1 uxpres:"ed a doubt whether the dictatorial powers which it conferred would, alter all, he adequate to deal with the emergencies which now and thou arose —such a state of things, for inetancr, AN hon, gentlemtn bad reason to regret in the present condition of the Thames. (Hear.) There were clauses in the bill which he thought were not required. They would create a council of medical officers without any specific employ ment, but with large salaries. He should like to knew what were the new duties which this council were to perform. He objected most strongly to taking indefi nite powers under this act, which were not laid down in any way whatever, and which he believed would open the door to jobbery. Mr. ADDERLEY said this bill was a very simple and short measure to provide for the services of the medical officers who would still remain when the general Board of Health expired in November next. He trusted the hon. gentleman would allow them to go into own' mittee. The mein object was to provide for the eine' gency of epidemio and contagious disorders. The house then went into committee. On clause 4, Mr. JOSEPH LOCKE remarked that this bill woe about to make a very great change, by transferring the powers under the bill from a board over which the house bad power to the Privy Council, over which the house had no power. He was not prepared to go on with the bill, and in the absence of the bon. member for Fin!: bury, who had amendments on the paper, if the biu were persisted in he would move that the chairman re. port progress. Why, the power was given to the Priv/ Council, and the power also of paying themselves sala ries too, and any amount of salary. After a few words from Lord DUNCAN and Mr. Jesit- SON to the same effect, Mr. SOTHERON ESTCOURT said whatever might ff° into tho clause respecting salaries, he apprehended the matter would still lie with the house, and the house only It was important, however, that the Privy Council should have the power of employing other persons if necessary' because it might so happen that an epidemic might break out at the same moment in more places than one, rind 3 would be requisite that the Privy Council should have the power of employing persons on the spot to give them 11 ° . curate information. After a few words from Mr. P. O'BRIEN, Mr. GILPIN said he should support the motion that the Chairman should report progress. Mr. MONSELL thought that at the root of the object' tion to this clause lay the idea that the medical officer Was of no use at all. It appeared to him it would be better to continue the progress of the bill, which, though short, was ono of great importance. Sir A. ELTON was of opinion that the house should go on with this bill. When the bill was brought forward it was sometimes stated to be tgo late, and sometimes tee early ; but he hoped the committee would now at ono proceed with the bill. Viscount EBRINGTON said he could not for one moment think of contrasting the advantages to be derived from the services of an officer of health, and the compara tively small cost of those services. Mr. COX said the clause would perpetrate as nice a job as he had ever known. As the motion for reporting pro gress had not been seconded, he would move that the Chairman do now report progress. The motion having been seconded, the committee divided, when the motion was lost by 140 to 32. Mr. WALPOLE thought there was some force in the observations which had been made as to the appointmen t of medical officers. The Beard of Health had now the power to appoint, not simply a medical officer, but A medical council. The powers under this ant were more limited. He thought it was most advisable to have some medical officer on whom the Executive could rely. It Wall objected that the latter part of the clause would enable the Government to appoint several officers at a large es: lary—(hear)—and ho proposed to add some words to meet the difficulty. Mr. JACKSON wished to know what was to be the salary of the medical officer ? Mr. WALPOLE-1,8001. a-year. After further conversation, The clause, with amendments, was agreed to, as wer e also the remaining clauses of the bill. JURIES (IRELAND) BILL. On the motion of Mr. WHITESIDE, the bill was read a second time. MTANHOPE AND WOLSINGHAM RECTORIES BILL. This bill passed through committee, and the house re' mined. TRANSFER OF LAND BILL. Upon the order of the day for the second reading of thie . bill, Sir It. BETHELL said he would not delay the 'Nona reading of the bill at this hour further than to observe. upon two circumstances—one, that in the other house 0,1 legislature the bill had received the support of her Majesty .! Government ; and the other, that the principle of the bi ll bad been so much discussed and so generally approved ill the bill brought in by the learned Attorney-General for Ireland, that it was only necessary to apply the same prin ciple to the present measure. Ho should suggest therefore, that the bill be read a second time pro forma, on theta" derstanding that it be left to go into committee after the committal of the Transfer of Lands Bill in Ireland. Mr. WALPOLE thought it would be unadvisable to follow the suggestion of the hon. and learned gentlemou• He would • not discourage any attempt to facilitate the transfer of land, but the bill which had come down from the other house was materially different to those matters mentioned by his hon. and learned friend. Ha though! the Court of Chancery would not be a popular and go od tribunal for the referring these questions to. The bill was read a second time. THE GALWAY FREEMEN DISFRANCHISED/B-0 BILL. On the order for the adjourned debate being read, should Mr. CLIVE asked that a day for the discussion shou it& be fixed. The debate was then adjourned until the 29th. ROADS (SCOTLAND) BILL. The order for the second reading of this bill wag die• charged, and the bill withdrawn. COUNTY MANAGEMENT BILL. This bill passed through committee. INSURANCE AND ASSURANCE INSTITUTIONS BILL, Upon the motion of the adjciurned debate on the second reading of this bill. Mr. G. A. HAMILTON said the bill involved such for, portant interests that he trusted the hon. member weld(' not press the second reading during the present session in which cane his right hoe. friend (ifr. Sotherton: Estcourt) would withdraw his amendment to the effect that it be read a second lime that day six months. Mr. SHERIDAN accepted the offer of her Majestf i s Government, and withdrew his motion for the secon o reading. WILLS OF BRITISH SUBJECTS ABROAD. Sir R. BETHELL obtained leave to bring in a bill t o , amend the law in relati o n t o th e w ill s o f B r iti s h suhiee' ' dying whilst resident abroad. He proposed the bill shou ld come on for discussion at the s a m e ti me as th e bill of right hon, gentleman the Attorney-General. ADMINISTRATION OF JUSTICE. Sir R. BETHELL moved for leave to bring in a hill e it ; assist the administration of justic e , by affording better means for ascertaining the law of other c o untries C 4 where questions as to such law shall arise. Leave was given to juts oduce the bill. ART UNIONS ACT AMENDMENT BILL. Mr. W. EWART obtained leave to bring in a bill JO amend the law for legalising art unions. STIPENDIARY MAGISTRATES, die. LIW AMA-,v— ta• MENT. amen d Mr. HARDY obtained l eave t o b r i ng i n a bill to arse the law concerning the powers of stipendiary magiatt 3te6 and justices of the peace in certain cases. The house then adjourned at twenty minutes plot one) o'clock. [ADVERTISIMENT]. —Du Barry's Revalenta Arabica F° °(l supersedes the miseries of the ma t e r i a m e di ca , brings Ti e., ; life and cheerfulness to the invalid , and renders the pre e ,;'; of cure both pleasant and certain. FIFTY THOUSA': well-known and recorded cases establish this ; and the ull-- ; ber of witnesses to its effects is daily increasing. Amone the female sex its salutary effects are as marked as among' t males. 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