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IMPERIAL PARLI A MENT. HOUSE OF LORDS—(YESTERDAY). The LOF,D CHANCELLOR. took his seat on the woolsack five o'clock. THE RIOTS AT KINSALE. The Marquis of CLANRICARDE asked whether the Government had received any information with respect to the late disgraceful outrages which had been committed by regiment of Antrim militia against the inhabitr►nts of Kin sale. The outrage was of the most disgraceful character, as the officers knew well the Orange opinions of the regi- meat. The Earl of RIPON said information had been received at the War Office that a riot had occurred on the 12th July, between the Antrim Artillery Militia and the inhabitants. I The most active steps had bean taken by the magistracy, and the Antrim mffitia had been remoN ed from the place. It was the intention of Lord Seaton to institutes most search ing inquiry into the whole of the circumstances connected with the riot, and he trusted, on the report of the inquiry being received, it would , turn out that the reports which bad appeared in the newspapers were greatly exaggerated. LONDON AND NORTH-WESTERN RAILWAY. On the motion of the Duke of DEVONSHIRE this bill was sen - tback for recommitment. THE BIRKENHEAD, LANCASHIRE, AND CHESHIRE RAILWAY. The debate on this bill was farther adjourned. THE ITALIAN QUESTION. Earl GRANVILLE, with reference to the motion which Lad been given by the Earl of Malmesbury for the produc tion of two circulars signed by Count Cavour, dated the 14th and 16th of June, and Count Cavour's reply to the despatch of the Earl of Malmesbury to Sir J. Hudson, dated the 7th of June, was understood to suggest the post ponement of the motion, as the production of the papers 'at the present moment might be attended with inconvenience. The Earl of MALMESFITRY felt that these were times when the discussion of foreign affairs was anything but de sirable in their lordship? house, and had no hesitation in saying that if his noble friend thought such a discussion inconvenient at the present moment he would withdraw his motion. At the same time, a portion of the observations which he had intended to makeX related to a subject which could not be productive of any inconvenience, and that was the future state of the Duchy of Parma. He believed that the dignity with which the Duchess of Parma.had encoun tered the difficulties before her had excited the a,dmiration of all p a rties, and that it would be an act of injustice to her if she was not reinstated in her position, supposing that to be the wish of her people. Before the late Government left office he made an appeal to the Sardinian Government on the subject, and in the answer of Count Cavour to the pre sent Government statements were made in which he could not agree. He was prepared to meet these statements one by one, and refute each and all of them by dates and do cumentary evidence. But it was of less importance that he should do so now, seeing that the Minister who signed that reply, and who had published two circulars bearing - on the subject, and containing equally unfounded assertions, was no longer Minister of the kingdom of Sardinia. He should, therefore, do no more at present than protest against the statements which had been made by Count Cavour, taking another opportunity, if it thould be neces sary, of entering into the discussion. It was possible that he might not have any opportunity during the present session of touching upon foreign affairs, and, although he willingly acceded to the request of his noble friend, he must not be misunderstood if, speaking generally and abstractedly, he said that it was not so inconvenient as some of their lord- ships appeared to think for the house to enter into foreign affairs, and discharge them even if a crisis should exist. When he was Minister for Foreign Affairs he should have been spared many misrepresentations if he had had the op portunity of explaining the policy of the Government, and he thought it was far from being a disadvantage to the Go vernment from time to time to ascertain the opinions of the house and the country respecting foreign affairs. Of course that must be a question of discretion, and he was convinced that his noble friend would not ask him to postpone his motion without sufficient reason. He trusted that a discus sion would take place before the separation of Parliament, in order that the Government might ascertain the feeling of the country, and also state to the country their own opinions. There was neutrality in peace as well as neutrality in war, and it was of the utmost consequence that the country should understand what line of policy and what degree of interfer- ence the Government meant to adopt. The Marquis of NOILMANBY, understanding that there was no objection to the production of the despatch from Lord John Russell to Sir James Hudson on the subject of the alleged annexation of the Duchies of Central Italy by the Government of Piedmont, would merely state that, consi dering the personal character of the Duchess of Parma, and the attention she had always shown to the welfare of her subjects, he trusted no attempt would be made to dis• possess her of the status which she had hitherto held. Earl GRANVILLE did not wish to be misunderstood Nothing was further from his intention than to suggest as a general rule that matters of general foreign policy ought not to be discussed. On the other hand, there were cases which it was desirable to refrain from discussing, and that was pre cisely the case before their lordships. If their lordships were to enter into a debate they would labour under the disad vantage and inconvenience of disc-v.Bam a 'subject iespeet ing which at the present time they possessed very imperfect information. The Marquis of CLANRICARDE said it was impossible not to infer from the remarks of the noble earl opposite (Malmesbury) that he looked upon the retirement of Count Cavour from office with no regret. Now he (the Marquis of Clanricarde) thought no Minister of any country had come out so well as Count Cavour. He might, perhaps, have been indiscreet in some respects, but he had been animated throughout by strong feelings of patriotism and liberality, and it was a matter of regret that he had retired from the office which he had so ably filled. (Hear.) Lord BROUGHAM believed that her Majesty's Govern ment were not more ignorant of what was going on than the Governments of France and Austria. (Laughter.) All three sets of Ministers were equally ignorant of the inten tion of the two Emperors, who carried on their business without Ministers. That was a degree—he would not say of despotic Government—but it was a degree of unlimited monarchy such as had never been known before in any other country except for a short period during the career of the first Napoleon, and even then there was more communica tion than at present. He understood that Count Wajewski, the Minister of Foreign Affairs, received his first and only intimation of what was going on from the Empress, who had received a despatch from the Emperor. It was if most melancholy thing to have the fate of nations, the question of peace or war, depending upon sovereigns who had such absolute power that they not only had no control exercised over them by Parliament, by the press, or by public diseus lion, but not even that moderate sort of control which the existence of an Administration imposed. (Hear.) . With respect to the war, it was one of false pretences, not one single pretence of which had been fulfilled by the success of that war. As we happily had had no hand in the war, so happily we had had no hand in the peace, and he con gratulated the Government on being wholly irresponsible for the terms of the extraordinary arrangement which was now in progress. The Earl of DERBY said his noble friend opposite, al though aware that peace had been concluded between France and Austria,was ignorant of the circumstances which had led to the peace, the terms of the peace, and the diplomatic dis cussions which were taking place. It was understood that France had entered upon-the war as the ally of Sardinia, — not as the principal, but as the subsidiary to Sardinia—and he wished to ask his noble friend whether, along with the information of the conclusion of peace between France and Austria, he had received any information as to the conclu sion of peace between Sardinia and Austria. (Laughter.) Earl GRANVILLE knew nothing more on the subject than was known to their lordships. The Marquis of NORMANBY then moved for the pro duction of the despatch of Lord J. Russell to Sir 3. Hud son: and stated that if any motion was brought forward re speeting Count Cavour, he should state his reksons for differing from the opinion of Lord Malmesbury. Lord EBURY expressed a hope that this country would fully carry out the principle of non-interference. - He had conversed with many diplomatists en the subject, and their opinion was, that if England would only wait, and not in trude her advice—would not perpetually interfere and ad vise—she would bemplied to, and her opinion would then benumb, mo re respected. (Hear, hear.) The 'Duke of RUTLAND was of opinion that inter ference was not at all times desirable, but still thought there were times when it was the duty of the Government to in terfere. Aa a noble lord opposite entertained such a high opinion of Count Cavour, perhaps he would endorse the following expression used by the Count on receiving the intelligence that her Majesty's Government had not re signed offic e i s e nnseenence of the recent vote of the House of Commons : "He Was heartily glad to learn this deci sion, for he thought it would be a public misfortune if the Cabinet of which Lord De r b y is the ch i ef, and which has recently taken so prominent a part in the promotion of a co ngress for settling the Italian question, should quit office a l m ost at the moment of commencing the discussion of the question upon which it has P r mlounced a strong opinion." He (the Duke of Rutland) did not generally concur in inion with Count Cavour, but he did " • • op so most cordially in that remark.' (Hear, hear.) Lord. STRATFORD de REDCLIFFE thought the cbjectien was rather to the manner in whieh interference] t o ok place than to in terference itself. As thi s conversation i eferred to the affairs of Italy, he might be allowed m ore urticularly to call to mind the affairs of Naples. Wh en be 'eras lately in that country, he was much struck with the 'isisequences of the particular mode of interference which had recently been adopted there. It appeared to him that in consequence of the manner in which that interference ha it been effected, notwithstanding the immense advantage we I :had of actin ,, in concert with our French ally, by our v. lust of judgment in the manner of doing it, we forfeited th et advantage, and the result was mist unsatisfactory. It wo pld be remembered that we withdrew our Minister from the Cottrt of Naples', and the French Government did the Ban consequence of the line which the King of Naples at t. Mme took with his own subjects, and which he did not an t - talon in consequence of our interference. He thought if th a t' interference had been confined to good advice, sup par ted by the excellent example of this country, and if we h a d n i *placed the King in a false position with his own subj et ,ttg we should have obtained a much better result. N ot , T i ceding all that could be alleged against the con duct a f the Sovereign, and all that we had justly felt about the manner in which he conducted himself towards his own subjects, he maintained his position as long as suited his convenience, he never made the slightest concession toEng land and France, and he departed to another state of being in the obdurate triumph of a bad policy. This was perhaps the most remarkable result that had recently been obtained by such interference, but no doubt the observation and memory of noble lords would remind them of other suck instances. He must therefore express his opinion that it was not the interference itself which was improper, but the mode of that interference was objectionable ; and he trusted that this example would not be forgotten, but would be remembered to the improvement of our policy on future occasions. (Cheers.) The name of a very illus trious foreign Minister had been mentioned in this conver sation with a high panegyric. So far as he (Lord Strat ford de Radcliffe) knew anything of the subject, he be lieved that, so far as talents .were concerned, and a natural desire to serve Italy, that Minister was worthy of such a pan egyric; but when he looked at the evidence there was respecting the policy which had been pursued, and when he saw nothing to prevent him from justly concluding that that policy had been mainly brought about by him, he thought that Minister had a great deal to answer for. (Hear.) He thought it would be a misfortune for this country and for this house if some opportunity were not afforded of expres sing the opinions excited in their minds by those circum 7 stances. Was it possible to lose sight of the manner in which, to all appearance, the retolutionary movement had been brought about in the Central States of Italy, where the representative of the King of Sardinia was himself em ployed, to all appearance, in bringing about revolution ? He (Lord Stratford de Radcliffe) would venture to say that, supposing it to be a fact that the Sardinian Minister at Florence really took part in such a conspiracy, he rendered himself amenable to the laws of the country, and if the Grand Duke ofruscany had got that Minister into his power, his diplomatic character would not have sheltered him from being hanged, at his own door. He (Lord Stratford de Red. cliffe) did indeed believe, looking back to his recollections of an earlier period in the history of our own country, that such would have been the fate of any foreign minister who should have acted that way here when Cromwell was the ruler of this country. One might sympathise ever so much with the cause of freedom in Italy, still the employment of means of that sort could not be appreved of. It was gain ing a little advantage at the expense of sacrificing the good will of the civilised world. Now it was absolutely neces sary that opportunities should be afforded in that house of expressing their opinion upon the recent events. What was to become of that principle of deference to public opinion, by which States were held together, if it was not to find some expression in their lordships' house ? He had been delighted to hear his noble and learned friend (Lord Brougham) express his opinion so freely, although on Friday evening last his noble and learned friend had interrupted him. (A laugh.) At the same time, he quite agreed that his noble friend who represented the Government in that house had exercised a sound discretion at this moment in requesting the noble earl opposite to put off that which would have brought the matter into general discussion. He trusted, however, that an opportunity would come when that house would be enabled to discuss the mat ter, and, as he hoped, with some advantage. Lore WODEHOUSE had not the slightest desire to pro long this discussion, which he thought was most inoppor tune ; but, he must observe that he, in common with his noble friend (Earl Granville), thought that a discussion on foreign affairs at the proper moment would be of the greatest advantage to the country and the Government, and he was sure that when the opportunity came for these matters to be discussed, his noble friend would be desirous that the opinion of Parliament should be fully and fairly expressed. But the reason why they deprecated any discussion upon this occa sion was, that they did not know what they were about to discuss. They had not the facts before them, upon which they could form an opinion. (Hear.) When they should have obtained those facts, her Majesty's Government would form their own opinion, and then no doubt their lordships would, be ready to listen to that opinion and to express their sentiments, either in concurrence with it or not. As to the papers asked for, there were two circulars dated the 14th-and 16th of June, which had beon sent by Count Cavour to be communicated to her Majesty's Government; they were read by the Sardinian Minister to his noble friend the Sec retary for Foreign Affairs, but no copies had been placed in his hands, so that, although they had appeared in the news papers, he could not ley them before Parliament. The other document asked for a despatch of her Majesty's Govern ment referrring to those despatches of Count Cavour, and it should lie laid on the table. The Earl of MALMESBURY said the answer to those circulars would be unintelligible if the circulars themselves were not printed also. It was desirable, therefore, that the Foreign Secretory should ask for copies of those circulars. Lord WODEHOUSE said the despatch of the noble lord wasnot strictly an answer to those circulars, but merely con tained the observations made by the noble lord upon those circulars being read to him. In fact, it contained very little more than the other despatch, which the noble marquis (Normanby) had moved for. The circular referred to had appeared in the newspapers. The motion woo-then agreea to. The Clerk of the Council Bill was read a second time. The Earl of DONOUGHMORE presented a petition from the North Staffordshiro Railway Company, praying to be heard against the " London and North-Western and other Railway Companies Working and Traffic Arrange ments Bill," which had been ordered, on the motion of the Duke of Devonshire, to be recommitted on Monday next. He (the Earl of Donoughmore) having been absent when the noble duke moved the recommittal of the bill, wished.to know what course should be adopted. Lord REDESDALE said the noble duke moved the re committal of the bill under the impression that it was not opposed. Perhaps it would be better to discharge the order for the recommittal on Monday, and put it off till Tuesday. Lord STANLEY of ALDERLEY and Lord PORTMAN ob jected to this course as irregular, since the proper notice of the recommittal had been given, and there would be an op portunity of opposing the bill on the third reading. It was agreed to leave the matter to the decision of the committee, and no motion was made. Their lordships then adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS.-(YESTERDAY.) The SPEAKER took the chair at four o'clock. WITHDRAWAL OF ELECTION PETITIONS. The SPEAKER announced that the-petitions against the return of the members for the boroughs of Athlone, Berwick-on-Tweed, and Sandwich were withdrawn. PRIVATE BUSINESS. The Lords' amendments to the following bills were con sidered and agreed to :—Castle Douglas and Dumfries Railway, Hertford, Luton, and Dunstable Railway, Lanid loes and Newtown Railway, Portsmouth and London and South-Western Railway Companies, and Sevenoaks Rail way Bills. The following bills were read a third time and passed ; Blackburn and Preston Road and Bridge, Bradford, Wake field, and Leeds Railway, Colne Valley and Halstead Rail way, Liverpool Exchange, Metropolitan Railway (Devia tions, &c.), Tendring Hundred Railway. MINERS. Mr. KINNAIRD presented a petition from Barnsley district, signed by 5,500 miners and others, for short time and education for the children employed in coal and iron. stone mines, and for a uniform system of weighing the ma• terial at the pit's mouth ; and, also, for the adoption a means to elevate the physical and intellectual condition miners. CUSTOMS. Mr. HADFIELD moved for returns of the ports and places in the United Kingdom approved by the Lords Com missioners of the Treasury, or the Commissioners of Cus toms, for the purpose of warehousing goods liable to cus toms duties ; together with the amount of duties collected at each port or place, and the amount of customs expendi turefor officers salaries and other outgoings incurred thereat during the year ended ;the 31st day . of December last : of the quantity of tea, sugar, coffee, wines, and spirits, and tobacco, directly imported into, and removed under the warehousing regulations, to each port or place, during the year ended the 31st day of December last, each return to be shown in separate columns : of all losses to the Crown ascertained to have taken place during the removal of goods under bond from one bonded port or place to another, during the year ended the 31st day of December last : And of all losses to the Crown ascertained to have taken place on goods deposited in the warehouses approved by the Lords Commissioners of the Treasury, or the Commissioners of Customs, stating the names of places and the causes of loss, for the year ended the 31st day of December last. Re turns of all deficiencies ascertained to have taken place during the removal of goods under bond from one bonded port or place to another, during the year ended 31st Dec. last. Of all deficiencies ascertained to have taken place on goods deposited in the warehouses approved of by the Lords Com missioners of the Treasury, or the Commissioners of Cus toms, for the year ended the 31st day of December last ; and, of the aggregate amount of the salaries of the officers and clerks employed in, and other expenses incidental to, the warehousing departments of th e C us t oms so f ar a s the same can be estimated, for the year ended the 31st day CHANNEL FLEET. of December last. Lord W. GRAHAM asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs whether the Government had received any information respecting the formation of a large Channel fleet at Brest and Cherbourg, with gunboats and other means for embarking and disembarking troops; and if so, whether they had demanded any explanation from the French Go vernment on the subject? Lord T. RUSSELL said he had received information from her Majesty's consul at Brest, to the effect that there were no such preparations as those alluded to, and in the absence of any direct official information, he thought it would be better not to press the subject further. IMPORTATION OF OPIUM. Mr. BAINES asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs what means were being adopted to enforce that clause in the recent treaty with Japan which prohibits the importation of opium ? Lord J. RUSSELL said the article was contraband by the laws of the country, but he did not think Government should interfere to enforce those laws. EDUCATION, &c. IN SCOTLAND. Mr. CAIRD asked the Lord Advocate whether it was his intention, on the part of the Government, to intro duce a bill this or early next session on the subject of education in Scotland, and especially with reference to the abolition of tests in Government schools ; also, whether it was his intention to bring in a bill to abolish infeftments in burghs in Scotland. The LORD ADVOCATE said, that from the diffi culty attending the subject referred to in the first question, and the lateness of the session, it would not be desirable to bring in a bill on the matter, and the latter reason also ap plied to the postp onement of legislation on the subject of in feftment till next session. THE NE -i iVOREIGN OFFICE. Mr. T IT E asked the Firstido - rn — m — issioner of Works whether he had any objection to place the drawings for the new Foreign-office, together with the designs to which the two first premiums were formerly awarded, in the library of the house, with as little delay as possible, and without waiting for the tenders from the builders forthe actual construction of the Gothic design ? Mr. FITZROY said that the library was not suited to tie exhibition of the designs and drawings alluded to; but Tl-ig SUN, LONDON, SATqItDAY ViiEN6l4l, JULY _16,1859._ as the reading-room was adapted to that purpose he had given directions that they should be placed there to-mor row, where they could be inspected by hon. members. THE TREATY OF PEACE. In reply to Mr. HORSMAN, Lord JOHN RUSSELL said that no official commwaica tion had been made to the Goyernment on the subject, but he was informed by the French Ambassador that the terms of the treaty were the same as those which had already been published. He had directed the attention of Lord Cowley to the subject, and desired him to ask for some information, but his reply was that no further statement in addition to what had already been published would be made by the French Government until the return of the Emperor to France, which was expected on Monday next. LONDON CORPORATION BILL. On the motion that the house at its rising do adjourn until Monday, Sir J. SHELLEY said that this bill, which stood for second reading this evening, contained no less than 73 clauses, and he would repeat what he had previously stated, namely, that the measure would re ceive considerable opposition. He appealed to Government to say whether it was right to bring on this question in the middle of July, when it could not be fully discussed. It was impossible that the bill could be proceeded with this session, and it was much more desirable that such a bill should be brought in at an early period of the session. If, however, the bill was not removed from the books that at least it would be stated on what day it was proposed to proceed with the further stages. The bill had been very much altered since it came from com mittee, and it was feared that another bill with reference to the financial part would have to be introduced ; and, there fore, he thought it would be better to postpone the present bill, and bring in both bills next session. Sir G. C. LEWIS said that up to the present time there had been very little legislation, and he did not think the house would be in ssion' of much more information than they had al 7 obtained, and the most objectionable portion of the bill —viz., that of finance—had been sepa rated from the measure. He was anxious that the house should express an opinion, and on Monday next he would name thMI LITARY when he would brin L g the bill forward. MEDICAL rd. In answer to Captain VERNON, Mr. S. HERBERT said, with regard to the first ques tion, that great improvement had taken place in the situa tion of the officers alluded to, but it was not deemed desir able to extend the warrant in question. LETTER INSURANCE. In reply to Mr. EVANS, Mr, LAING said that if the hon. member would satisfy Mr. Rowland Hill as to the efficiency of the system to which he referred, the Government would be ready to consider the question. In the absence of information, it could not be expected they would deal with the subject. • EPISCOPAL CHURCHES IN SCOTLAND. In answer to Mr. HUNT, Lor PALMERSTON said that the general opinion was in favour of deferring any measure on this subject till next session, and the Government would not bring in any bill this session with reference to the matter. TENANT COMPENSATION IN IRELAND. The O'DONOGHUE called the attention of the Go vernment to the relations subsisting between lordlords and tenants in Ireland. Mr. CARDWELL assured the hon. member that the subject was occupying the most careful consideration of her Majesty's Government. The motion for the adjournment till Monday was then agreed to. ITALY. On the motion for going iI; committee of supply, Lord ELCHO offered some explanatioons with regard to the following resolution of which he had given notice, viz.: —" That, in the opinion of this house, the correspondence respecting the affairs of Italy, which has recently been laid before Parliament, shows that the late Governmenthave per severingly directed their efforts to the maintenance of peace, and to the amicable settlement of the differences between the contending powers ; and that, whilst they have preserved the strictest neutrality, and conducted these complicated negotiations with-patience and with impartiality, they have at the same time upheld the honour and the dignity of this country. That it is further the opinion of this house that the policy of neutrality and mediation between the contend ing powers which has thus been pursued by the late Govern ment should be adhered to by her Majesty's present Ad-• visers." The noble lord said that when on Tuesday last, in answer to the appeal of his noble friend, the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs, he agreed to withdraw this motion, he reserved to himself the right to say a few words in expla nation of the reasons which had induced him in the first place to put it on the paper. and afterwards not to insist on bringing it before the house. It had been said that he had turned Derbyite, and had been actuated by a feeling of fac tious hostility towards the present administration ; but he disclaimed any such motive. He- entertained for the present Government no feeling of hostility whatever. He was pre pared to do to them what he had done to their predecessors, namely, to give them his humble support when he thought they were right, and to oppose them when lie thought they were wrong. It was, then, no spirit of hostility towards the present Government, but a desire to do what he conceived wa s an act of simple justice to the late GovernMent, which had induced him to place his resolution on the paper. (Hear, hear.) He said that it was to do an act of justice, because it could not be denied that an impression had gone abroad that the policy of the late Government was not one of strict neutrality, but one favourable to Austria, and unfavourable to France and Sardinia. That was stated in the public journals; it was stated by the Opposition in that house ; and there was no doubt that it had materially influenced the division. He had since, however, heard it stated that if the blue-book had been published previous to the close of the debate it would have made a difference of something like twenty votes. (Loud Conservative cheers.) He did not wish to enter into any argument upon the point, but it was unquestionable that such an impression had gone abroad, and that when the blue -book was at last pub lished, it produced a feeling that the late Government had been maligned. (Cheers.) Under these circumstances it appeared to him to be only right that Parliament should express an opinion to that effect ; and he was at a loss to see how it could be regarded as an act of hostility to the present Government to ask it to take that course. If in pri vate life they did a man wrong—if they unwittingly said something of him which was not true, the first feeling of a gentleman would be instantly to confess to him, though he were an enemy, that the allegation was withouefoundation. Now, he wanted the house to do as a body what he was sure every one of them would do as an individual ; he wanted that house, as the aggregate of English gentlemen, to do an act of justice to the late Government, which any one of them would gladly do in his private capacity. (Cheers.) So much for the former part of his resolution ; the latter part of it referred to the negotiations of the present Government. He would not deny that in framing that part of it he was under an impression that the present Government were not prepared to follow the policy of strict neutrality. His belief was, that the feeling of this country was in favour of neu trality so long as their honour and interests were not affected ; but he doubted from the antecedents of his two noble friends, the noble viscount and the Foreign Secretary, whether their neutrality would be a strictly impartial one. He feared that it would be what that of Prussia was said to be, a " neutralite inquietante" towards Austria—that they would conduct themselves towards Austria in the same manner that the late Government was said to have con ducted itself towards France. (Cheers.) He believed that if he had to press the motion, he should have been able to prove by the speeches and the antecedents of his noble friends, that in that impression he was net wrong; and therefore it was that he felt anxious that the house should affirm the policy of neutrality. Five minutes afterhe (Lord Elcho) gave his notice, his noble friend at the head of the Government stated that he intended to "walk in the path which had been chalked out for them by his predecessors." For himself, he (Lord Elcho) was perfectly ready to take that statement. He believed that it had been made with no arriere pen Bee, and that the noble lord did in fact intend to follow that policy of strict neutrality. Nevertheless, he should have asked the house to agree to the latter part of the resolution, because it seemed to him that in the position of the house, nicely balanced as it was, and doubt ful as it was whether the gentlemen behind him were very cordial supporters of the Government—(hear, hear)—it would be desirable to strengthen the hands of the government by a unanimous declaration of the house in favour of the principle of neutrality. (Cheers.) Such were the motives which had actuated him in proposing to move the resolution. He had hoped that the member for Sheffield or the member for Surrey would have taken up the matter ; but those hon. gentlemen both declined the task, although they said it ought to be done ; and the hon. member for Surrey strongly urged him (Lord Elcho) to do it himself. (Hear.) Now for the ground upon which he had with drawn the motion. It was not because of the existing com plications, for he was not prepared to admit that the house ought at all times, when the affairs of the continent were in a momentous position, to be debarred from expressing its opinions. On the contrary, he humbly ventured to think that in times of crisis, the opinion of what might be the only free assembly of free men in Europe (for they did not yet know what had become of the Sardinian constitution) was likely not only not to prove prejudicial, but to exercise a great and beneficial influence on the continent. (Cheers.) If the house was not to discuss foreign politics at such a moment, then the expression of English opinion would be left to the public press. Now he wished to speak , with the greatest possible respect of the press of this country. He held it to be, on the whole, the most honest and the most able press in the world ; but they must not forget that the daily press, written for daily circulation, was apt to take its colour from passing events ; and they . had occasionally seen what was wrong in January became right in Juneunder the magic influence of success. He thought it most desirable, therefore, that the house should discuss foreign policy ; but even before the appeal was made to him by his noble friend on Monday night he had determined not to press his motion, because he well knew that many members would take advantage of the existing state of things, and of the with drawal of a somewhat similar motion by a noble lord in another place, to vote against it, and would thus defeat his (Lord Elcho's) object, which was to obtain, if possible, a una • nimous and certainly a distinct expression of the opinion of the house. He regretted to withdraw the motion, because as he had said he was anxious to do what he considered to be only an act of justice to her Maiestys late Government. (Hear.) Although the announcement of the peace had been received by the house with acclamation, he could not but think that there were many by whom it would not be viewed with entire satisfaction. Those gentlemen who, regardless of treaties, regardless of right, and forgetful of Ireland and Canada, were favourable to the armed inter vention of one power in the country of its neighbour, and who supported the propaganda of nationalities, would be profoundly dissatisfied with it. (Hear.) He doubted whether it would be received with much delight by those who dwelt in the neighbourhood of Leicester-square, (A laugh.) He doubted whether any sort of thanksgiving would issue from the platform of Exeter Hall on account of a peace the grand feature of which was the exaltation of the Pope. (Hear, hear.) It might be sceptical on his part, but he was inclined even to doubt whether the circumstances and the terms of this peace would meet with ony very cordial approval from the authorities in Downing-street, whose sanction and whose counsels, so far as the public knew, had not been sought. (Laughter.) With regard to his noble friend the Secretary for Foreign Affairs, one must really feel quite disposed to condole with him in the position which he now occupied, suddenly and unexpectedly deprived, as he had been, of the opportunity to redeem his character as a nego tiator—(laughter)—shod to establish in Italy that model bon stitution which he no doubt had in the red box before him. (Laughter and cheers.) But if they condoled with the noble lord, there was no member in that house—there was no man who possessed the smallest feeling of compassion—that would not condole still more with his noble friend at the head of the Government.. (Laughter.) The whole dream of the noble lord's life had been the expulsion of the Aus trians from Italy, and now he saw the Austri;ms more firmly establisheifin the equilateral—(a laugh)—the quad rilateral—than ever, with a recognised right as a member of the Confederation to interfere in the affairs of every state in Italy. (Cheers.) He (Lord Elcho) did not envy the feeling of his noble friend when he found that this peace had been concluded with the Emperor of the French without waiting for his advice. His noble friend had more over the further mortification of feeling that eleven years ago a nod of his head or a stroke of his pen would have given a great deal more liberty to Italy than she now en joyed, after years of agitation and suffering, and after the immolation of whole hecatombs of slaughtered soldiers. . . (Loud cheers.) lie could not but think that his two noble friends were deserving of the deepest commiseration; for, to use a most expressive though somewhat slang phrase, they had been most horribly "sold" . (Cheers and laughter.) But peace had been made ' • and a war which had been wantonly commenced had been capriciously concluded. (Hear, hear.) - There were many circumstances which might make, them rejoice at that peace. Although they might like to know what had been done to ensure the better government of the Roman States and the Two Sicilies ; although they might like to ',:know what would happen in the event of the Bolognese, the Tuscans, and the people of Parma and Modena declining to receive back their sove reigns ; although they might like to know whether in such a case the Austrian and French armies would be employed in forcing them back on a reluctant people ; although they might like to know what had become of the Sardinian con stitution, and whether the free press would be restored through Sardinia and be extended to Lombardy; although they might like to obtain information on this and, many other points, let them rejoice that peace had been made, and that there was now a prospect of opening their news papers without having to read of that sickening slaughter of human beings with which the public journals had of late been filled. Let them rejoice in that ; and let them earnestly pray that this peace would contribute to the permanent tranquillity, happiness, and security of Europe, although he was inclined to doubt it much. Loud cheers.) THE MILITARY OATH. Lord W. GRAHAM briefly called attention to the oath required from recruits on attestation. A return latelymoved for by the gallant member for Westminster showed that in one year there had been no fewer than 17,000 desertions ; a fact which showed that the oath was of no practical utility. LORD ELCHO'S RESOLUTION—THE AFFAIRS OF ITALY. Mr. S. FITZGERALD renewed the subject of this reso lution, and said he regretted that it had been withdrawn from the consideration of the house. It could not have inter fered with any negotiations on the part of the Government, for there were none going on. The armistice had taken place, and the peace been agreed to, without her Majesty's Government being once consulted. (Hear, hear.) Never theless the discussion of the resolution might have been in convenient to the existing Government. The noble lord at the head of the Government had severely arraigned the foreign policy of the late Government, but his charges had met with a prompt contradiction. (Hear.) It turned out that the very course which the noble lord said the late Government ought to have taken was that which they had actually pursued. The discussion of the resolution proposed must have been very damaging to the Government. Many had expected that the policy of the Government would be that of non-interference, at the same time with a support of the freedom of Italy. What must have been their surprise, and that of the whole of Europe, when they heard the noble lord declare that he had no po licy at all except that chalked out by his predecessors. This should be a caution to those who depreciated a policy in utter ignorance of what it was. (Hear, hear.) A few nights ago Lord J. Russell had referred to a despatch of Lord Malmesbury, as shewing that the present and the late Go vernment had pursued the same policy in offering advice to Germany. By the Federal Pact it rested with the G6rman powers to decide whether they would make a cases belli of an attack on the territory of a power which lay beyond the Confederation. Lord Malmesbury had taken this view, and had advised Germany accordingly. It was possible that the details of the treaty of peace would have to be carried out by a European Congress, in which this country might take part ; but he doubted whether it would be wise in the Government to do so, as this country had taken no part to the war. (Hear, hear.) But it was clear from the speeches of Lord J.lllussell, Sir C. Wood, and others, th t they anti cipated being called on to act as negotiators. One of these speeches the right hon. gentleman characterised as contain ing language of menace which was calculated to compro mise this country. Probably the Government would enter into negotiations in the same spirit ; if so, nothing would be more calculated to disturb our peaceful relations with other Powers. (Hear, hear.) Whatever occurred, he hoped the Government would strictly adhere to the principle of non-intervention, at the same time firmly asserting what they felt to be the honour and the interests of our owncoun try. (Hear.) Lord J. RUSSELL—I certainly thought it quite unne cessary to take any notice of the speech of the noble lord (Lord Elcho). He seemed to have reflected upon the mo tionof which he had given notice, and to have come to the opinion that he had much better not make it. (A laugh.) I quite agree with him in that opinion, and certainly it was quite harmless for him to indulge in a sort of triumph and jubilation when he was inreality retreating from the posi tion which he had taken up. (Hear, hear.) He seemed to enjoy a sort :,of triumph in considering that any wishes which my noble friend (Lord Palmerston) and I might have had for freedom in Italy would be disappointed. That may be the case ; but I am sure that I shall not be ashamed, and I do not think my noble friend will ever be ashamed, of suying that our wishes are in favour of freedom in any country in which free institutions can be introduced. It is one thing to say that you will use the power of a country— that you will interfere with the means of a country, in order to introduce free institutions into another country ; it is another thing to rejoice when those free institutions pros per, and to lament whenever they are destrOyed. (Hear, hear.) The hon. gentleman who spoke last has referred to Mr. Canning. I remember that Mr. Canning spoke in this house on the subject of the great invasion of Spain. The Spaniards had establisned free institutions in that country ; the French had forbid them, and were invading Spain to put down those free institutions. „Air. Canning then declared that the policy of this country was neutrality; at the same time he did not hesitate tc.say that his wishes were that the Spaniards might be successful in resisting that interference. (Hear.) Mr. Canning did not go at all beyond the line which a Minister must observe in thus expressing his wishes, at the same time that he declared the policy which the Government would follow. The right hon. gentleman has referred to the conduct of the late Government. I am very glad that Lord Elcho has not made it necessary for the house to discuss that conduct. I am ready to believe that they were all along endeavouring, to the utmost, with impartiality and with care, to preserve a neutral position, and to prevent the evils of war. And I remember that when there was a question about Lord Malmesbury going .to a congress, I said that there would be neither ability nor inclination wanting to bring that congress to a happy termination ; when the papers had been produced, I said that it was but fair to presume that everything in those papers would be favourable to the party in power, and would make out no case against their impartiality. But if we had had to go into all the particu lars of their conduct, there would have been points on which I should have said that they had not taken the view which in my opinion was most like to lead to a satisfactory issue, especially in the beginning of those discussions with France, when I think much might have been done that was left un done. But lam glad not to have to enter into that discus sion now. Bat Mr. Fitzgerald thinks fit, with the very little knowledge of the subject which he possesses, and the little which I have thought it consistent with my duty to disclose, to find fault with the present Government for the course which they have pursued.. He refers to an instance in which I was blamed for advising Prussia not to interfere, as we thought prematurely, in the war, not to place herself in the ranks of the belligerents. In answer to that I quoted a despatch of Lord Malmesbury's, in which he used the strongest terms to the same effect, telling Prussia that her coasts would be ravaged, and that he could give her no assis tance. (Hear, hear.) That despatch was not only sent to our Ministers at the German courts, but - it was also communi cated to the Ministers of the German courts resident here ; so that those courts might have full information of the noble lord's views. Ido not doubt that the advice which the late and the present Government gave to Prussia, to consider well and to pause before she made herself a belligerent, had an effect in producing that moderate, and as I think wise, course which Prussia has pursued. I believe that her refraining from entering at once into the arena of war did tend very greatly to circumscribe the sphere of hostilities. Had she at once entered into the war on the ground that that war was approaching the Mincio, it is difficult to say to what extent the war might have been carried, or at what period peace might have been attained. I have received a letter this very day from Naples, in which it is said that Naples was not disposed to enter into the war, but that if Russia and Germany had joined in it, it was probable that public opinion in Naples would have been so strong that the Government would have been unable to refrain from imme diately taking a part in the hostilities. I believe that the whole of Italy and the whole of Germany would have been drawn into the war. I rejoice very much that peace is re stored. (Cheers.) The lon. gentleman says that it is a question whether or not we should take any part in a con gress to settle the terms of the peace. That is a question of the utmost importance—it is a question, I think, to which every man in Europe will look with anxiety. (Hear, hear.) I understand that the Emperors of France and Austria are not completely agreed upon the subject. At all events, the question is not before us in a shape in which we can pre sume to decidti upon it. It appears to me that the influence of England ought to be used—if it is used at all on this subject—to confirm the peace, to improve any treaty ofpeace, if it is possible for us to improve it, and at all events to see that there is nothing in our conduct which might lead to our abandoning that neutral and impartial position for which the hon. gentleman takes so much credit to the late Government. For my own part, I believe that the mainte nance of that position is in accordance with the universal opinion of the people of this country. (Hear, hear.) There were abundant reas ins for our maintaining that position. I ventured myself, in speaking to my constituents, to state the case of both the belligerents, and to explain why I thought that neither of them was entitled to the assistance of this country. lam sorry to say it then seemed to me that the Emperor of France going into Italy was not likely to consolidate the liberties of that country, or—(the re mainder of the noble lord's sentence was lost, owing to the extremely low tone in which he spoke, and there were cries of " Speak up.") I have the same apprehensions still; but, at the same time, it is impossible to lay down ony par ticular rule beforehand for our guidance in the negotia tions. The hon. gentleman takes great credit to himself for what the late Government did. lam not disposed to deny or dispute,that credit ; and certainly I can only say, in regard to the present juncture, that we are bound—if we are called upon, with the whole of Europe, to consider any treaty of peace which may be made—not to participate in any treaty of peace which is not conformable to our notions of the honour, the digniry, and freedoin of this country. (Cheers.) Xis with a view to the maintenance of that dignity that we should be disposed to act. I will say no thing more at present on this subject. It is well that the noble lord's motion has not come under discussion. When our own conduct is impugned, I shall be perfectly ready and happy to afford every explanation. (Hear.) THE ARMY ESTIMATES. Mr. WILLIAMS said he had given notice that he would move to have the estimates submitted to a select committee, but in consequence of the lateness of the session he did not mean to press it. (Hear, hear.) The house then wont into committee —Mr. MASSEY in the chair. The vote of £114,537 for warlike stores for the land and sea service was agreed to, as were the following:-- £123,500 for fortifications. £23,409 for civil buildings. The vote o 4 £36,370 for barracks, after a short discussion, was also agreed to. On the vote of £41,067 for general °facers, Mr. WILLIAMS complained that many men were ad- vanced in the higher class of the army, not through the • £1,431 for the household of the Lord-Lieutenant of Ire- bury, late Captain 6th Dragoon Guards ; to be Senior Major, vice Edward Winnington, ; services they had rendered, but on account of influence. land. resigned Lieut. Ernest Peel to Agreed to. £75,904 for the Chief Secretary's Office (Ireland). be Captain, vice Norbury, promoted; Ensign Geo. Coulson The following votes were agreed to :-... £5,204 for Paymaster of Civil Services Office (Ireland). Childs to be Lieutenant, vice Augustus Belle de Lasalle, £265,702 for retired officers. £1,709 for Inspectors of Lunatic Asylums, (Ireland). resigned; Lieut. John Verne Monckton late Ist West £395,600 for pensions to widows, &e. £16,105 for Board of Public Works, (Ireland). York Rifles, to be Lieutenant, vice J. L. Vivian, resigned; £24,433 for pensions for wounds. £22,466 for Commissioners for Auditing Public Accounts. Wm. Henry Howes, jun., Gent., to be Ensign, vice A. H. CIVIL SERVICE ESTIMATES. £12,621 for Copyhold, Inclosure, and Tithe Commission. Garland, promoted. The committee then proceeded to the civil service esti- £8,680 for expense of enclosure and drainage acts. mates. £26,300 for General Register Office, England and Wales. On the vote of £667,000 for salaries, &c., at the customs, £2,296 for General Register Office, Dublin. Sir H. WILLOUGHBY complained that this sum was - £3,302 for Registrar of Births, &c., Scotland. largely increased since last year. £10,652 for expenses of National Debt Office. ' Mr. LAING said that the amount appeared larger be- £1,300 for Public Works Loan Commissioners. cause these votes were now more correctly apportioned £670 for West India Island Relief Commission. amongst the various services than they had been. £2,642 for Commissioners in Lunacy. Agreed to. ' £2,814 for the Commissioners of Lunacy. The vote of £1,151,000 for the Post-office was agreed to. £723 for county roads in South Wales. The vote of £326,000 for the superannuation allowances £1,128 for registration of Friendly Societies in England, was agreed to. Scotland, and Ireland. On the vote of £44,980 for the expenses of royal palaces, £22,000 for foreign and secret services. Mr. WILLIAMS again protested most earnestly against £247,420, stationery, printing, &c. for the two Houses of proceeding with these estimates when no time had been Parliament. given to members to consider them. Mr. WALPOLE said that the contract for printing ex- Mr. FITZROY put it to the hen. member that consider- pired at the end of this year, and he wished to know whether ing the exceptional nature of the session, these estimates had the Government proposed to renew it. been sufficiently long in the hands of hon. members. Sir G. C. LEWIS said it would be desirable, on grounds After an observation from Sir H. WILLOUGHBY, of economy, to make some alteration in the terms of the Lord PALMERSTON hoped the house would, at least, contract as regarded the printing of statutes, but before the allow his right hon. friend to pass such of the estimates as end of the session he would state what course the Govern were not objected to. ment proposed to take. Mr. WILLIAMS protested against the course of the Go- Mr. HADFIELD referred to the printing of Bibles and vernment, and announced his intention of taking the sense Prayer-books, which formed part of the contract with the of the house on the motion to report' progress. Queen's printer. Lord PALMERSTON repeated his hope that the com- After a few words from Sir G. C. Lewis, Mr. Walpole' mittee would allow the undisputed estimates to pass. and Mr. Dunlop, the vote was agreed to, as were the fol- Mr. J. WILSON reminded the house that usually these lowing :- estimates were the first business after Easter, and now they £76,750 for postage in the public services. had arrived at the 15th July. If they, however, postponed £31,545 for the office of Solicitor to the Treasury, and them now, they would subsequently have to pass them hur- costs of Mint prosecutions. • riedly at morning sittings, most likely without any conside- £150,000 expenses of prosecutions at assizes and quarter ration at all, sessions. Sir J. PAXTON was willing to accept the arrangement (On this vote a conversation was originated by Mr. proposed by Lord Palmerston--namely, to pass the unques- Henley, as to the mode in which the county accounts were tioned estimates, and to postpone those upon which a die- made up and audited, but nothing resulted from it.] mission was expected. £164,275 for the county and borough police of England, After an observation from Mr. DODSON, Wales, and Scotland. Mr. WILLIAMS expressed hi s fi rm conviction that Lord £1,145 for the Crown Office of the Queen's Bench. Palmerston knew nothing about the votes which he asked £1,300 for the. Registrar and expenses of the Admiralty might be passed without discussion, (A laugh.) He (Mr. Court, Dublin. Williams) knew that money was wanted for the royal pa- £5,176 for the Insolvent Debtors Court, Dublin. laces, but there were certain items in these votes upon which £22,740, expenses of the Court of Probate, Divorce, and he should like to make some observations. How could the Matrimonial Causes. noble lord understand votes which had been prepared by a In answer to Mr. AYRTON, previous Government ? Lord PALMERSTON said that a bill would be brought Lord PALMERSTON admittodthathebadnot examined in this session, to improve the jurisdiction of the court. the votes, but his right hon. friend had, and would be pre- £126,150 for expenses of County Courts, was agreed to. pared to vindicate them. If his hon. friend would not give £14,000 for police courts in the metropolis. some confidence to the two governments, they would hardly £90,000 for the metropolitan police. get through these estimates before September. £2,500 for the Queen's prisons. . The committee then divided on the motion to report On the next vote being proposed, progress- Mr. SPOONER protested against the committee going Ayes Noes The vote was agree to. The house then resumed. £8,2740 repairs of public buildings; £lB,OOO furniture in SUPPLY.-REPORT. public offices ; £17,525 expenses of the new Houses of Par- The report of the votes agreed to last night was received liament... Agreed to. and confirmed. In answer to a question from Sir H. WILLOUGHBY, MUNICIPAL CORPORATIONS BILL. Mr. FITZROY said it w as un d ers t oo d th a t thi s wa s the The second reading of this bill was postponed till twelve last vote that would be required for the works, except what o'clock on Tuesday. i might be necessary for the annual expenses connected with NEWSPAPERS, &c:, BILL. so large a building. This bill passed through committee. Mr. BALL asked if £6,500 was required for the clock ? CAMBRIDGE UNIVERSITY. Mr. FITZROY said that £4,000 of the vote was for the Sir G. C. LEWIS obtained leave to bring in a bill to tower. continue the powers of the commissioners under an act of Mr. BALL said that they had been watching the clock the 19th and 20th years of her Majesty, concerning the anxiously for months. (Hear, hear.) Sometimes it went, University of Cambridge, and the College of King Henry and sometimes it was still ; sometimes it struck, and some- VI. at Eton. times it refused. (Cheers.) He wished to know if this PACKETS AND TELEGRAPHIC CONTRACTS vote would complete the works ? COMMITTEE. Mr. FITZ ROY replied that the present vote would in- Mr. BUTT moved that the select committee on Packets elude the whole expenditure. and Telegraphic Contracts do consist of 21 members ; that Mr. POLLARD-URQUHART thought that the pre- Sir Edward Grogan and Lord J. Browne be added to the sent vote was one that ought to be postponed. committee. There were now only 10 Irish members on the Mr. AYRTON complained of the mode of ventilation committee, and that was not a sufficient representation of adopted. When the house got warm, cold air was pumped their interests. (Hear.) The real origin of the committee in at the feet of hon. members, thus driving blood to the was to inquire into the circumstances under which the late head, and compelling them to leave the house. In addition Government granted a subsidy to promote communication to this, they were treated with the most abominable odours, between Ireland and America, and therefore the Irish mem sometimes chloride of lime, and sometimes the unmitigated hers were entitled to a fair representation in it. stench of the Thames. In fact, all their measures were The SPEAKER having put the question that the com carried on in the most absurd and extravagont manner. mittee do consist of 21 members, Sir 11. VERNEY was understood to say that a com- The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER regretted mittee of which he was a member were engaged in an in- he could not assent to the motion; there was no jealousy on quiry when the new Houses of Parliament were about to be the part of the Government ; the subject of the Galway con built as to a change in the site, and it was stated that the tract was indeed a part of the inquiry, but even if that cen real reason why they were kept in that spotwas because the tract had never been made the general question must have Government wished to have a means of escape from mem- been inquired into by a committee. The proposal now made bers, and the river Thames afforded a better mode of escape was one to send into the committee a number of gentlemen than the parks. With regard to the mode of ventilation, pledged to support the Galway contract. (No, no.) Could he himself kept a pair of worsted stockings and gaiters for there be a doubt of it'i? There were already on the committee wear in the house, in order to keep his feet from the cold air. four gentlemen who had been parties to the contract, and of course with a distinct conviction ready to support their Mr. FITZROY said with regard to ventilation he be Thee lieved that the plan of Mr. Goldsworthy was the best. It Policy. . public on any addition to the corn- 'ublie of En g land and Scotland would was difficult to obtain an equal temperature in the house look with jealousy towards morning, which was, he believed, the time that g entlemen with fixed and declared mittee of opi members suffered most from the ventilation; for perhaps nions on the subject. If they tampered any after a debate in a full house of 400 members, most of them further with the constitution of the committee they would shake public confidence in it. There was a direct objection streamed out, and that necessarily created a great change in the temperature. It was impossible that the most to one nrse of the other names proposed (Lord J. Browne), e as the rule n the selections had been to ex scientific ventilation could be complete, and he believed ado p ted that Mr. Gurney did the best he could. elude any member having a local interest. Sir B. BRYDGES suggested that some of the windows Lord J. BROWNE said he was not aware it was intended in the lobby should be set open, to propose his name. He admitted he was as much preju- The vote was then agreed to. diced one way as the hon. member for Montrose the other, a The following votes-were agreed to without observation : nd if they were both on the committee the fairest thing -129,130 for expenses connected with the Probate Court they could do would be to pair off. He begged to say he and registries, £5,550 for British embassy houses abroad, had no local connection with. Galway. On the vote of £174,000 for harbours of refuge, Colonel DUNNE supported the motion. They did not Mr. BAXTER said he hoped Government would not go want to be governed after the manner of the lonian Islands. on with this vote, inasmuch as the hon. member for Sun- Lerd DUNCAN read an extract from a petition pre derland had given notice of an amendment, and he was not sented by . Sir W. Russell, to show that the investigation of present. the committee might seriously prejudice the election peti- Mr. B LACKBI3 . IIII said an additional reason for post- tion now pending against the return for Dover, and sug poning the vote was that certain returns that had been or- gested that the Boyercontract should not be inquired into until the election petition was decided. dered respecting it had not been made. Mr. WHITESIDE admitted that the Chancellor of the Mr. PEASE also supported the postponement. An emi- Exchequer had been just in placing some of the accused on the sent engineer had told him that the works at Alderney committee, but there were other interests involved in were a disgrace to the country. the inquiry; why was there no representative of the com- Mr. GORDON remarked that these harbours were more mercial interests of Ireland on the committee ? for war purposes than anything else, and the works ought The house then divided not to bo interrupted. For the motion 47 Mr. WARRE hoped there would soon be harbours of Against it 134 refuge'along the eastern coast. These were works of great Majority utility and necessity. Mr. MONSELL saidthe request of the hoe. member for ENDOWED SCHOOLS BILL. Mr DILLWYN moved that the select committee on Montrose seemed to him to be a reasonable one ; it was that the vote should be postponed till they had further informa- this bill should consi s t o f 17 mem b ers, an d th a t M r. Long field and Mr. Butt b e a dd e d to th e comm itt ee. Th e h on. tion. The original estimate for the harbour of Alderney member stated that he had applied t o severa l I r i s h mem was £600,000, but last year they were t o ld that an alteration was proposed in the plan which would make it cost hers to act on the committee, and all had refused. Mr. HE NNESSY protested against the constitution of the committee as unfair. £1,300,000. The committee did not k now which plan had been decided o n , and it was ther e f ore on ly re asonable that there should be some delay until they had had information Lord NAAS suggested that th e nom i na ti on s hould be laid before them on this important subject. (Hear.) postponed. Mr. LAING said the votes did not involve any of those After some furthe r conversa ti on , th e i ncrease was agreed large questions to which allusion had just been made. They to, and the no m i na ti on o f th e comm itt ee pos tp o ned. were simply to continue works which had been sanctioned UNIVERSITIES (SCOTLAND) BILL. by the house. The vote for Dover was absolutely necessary Mr. DUNLOP moved that the house resolve itself into to prevent what had already been done from being washed committee to consider a bill to remove doubts as to the ad into the sea. The works at Alderney had been sanctioned by imission to the office of Principal in the Universities of Scot two Boards of Admiralty. It would cost £1,300,000, of which £BOO,OOO had been already spent. With regard to Mr. B. COCHRANE moved the adjouTmept of: the del?ate. the harbour at Portland, it was happily approaching corn- Mr. C. BRUCE objected to the bringing in of the bill at pletion ,• another year's vote, in addition to the present one, so late an hour of the night. would finish the works. There could really be no objection The LORD ADVOCATE supported the m. bill s , u a p il p d ort ex o - f in putting a stop to the operations which were now in hand. p l ained that its object was merely to rectify a mistake. Sir W. MILES urged the Government to grant the short After a few words fr om Mr. KB delay whibh had been asked for. the adjournment, Mr. BAXTER protested against going on with the vote. The house then divided- There was a great difference of opinion as to the utility of For the motion lO the works, especially with regard to Alderney. In order, Against it therefore, to bring the matter to a distinct issue he would Majority .... -44 move the reduction of the vote by £75,000. The house went into co mmit t ee. Viscount PALMERSTON submitted to the house that Leave was given to bring in the bill. these harbours had been undertaken after the most delibe- The house adjourned at a q uart er to two o'clock. rate consideration, and on the advice of the most eminent authorities. Great sums had been laid out on them, and the result of not finishing them would merely be to waste all the money. As to Alderney it was a most important position with regard to the defence of the country. It would not be necessary, and, indeed, it would be invidious, to go into all the circumstances of the case. It was sufficient to re mind the committee of the position of Cherbourg and Port land. (Hear.) In connexion with Portland, Alderney was one of the watch towers of the country, and it would be most prejudicial to the national interests to delay its com pletion. (Hear, hear.) Lord LOVAINEI thought the country must present a curious spectacle to foreign nations, when every year some hon. gentleman on-the other side tried to undo all that par • liament had previously done. Mr. BLACKBURN said the objection was not to the vote itself, but to voting it without information. Mr. HENLEY thought that before agreeing to the vote, they ought to have before them the plans which they had been promised. Lord DUNCAN trusted the Government would not in sist on the committee's proceeding with the vote without more information. It had been stated that if Alderney were finished on its present scale, we should never be able to garrison it; and that we should only be building a fort for the enemy. (Hear, hear.) Lord PALMERSTON said he held in his hand the re port with the plans. It was printed, but had not been de livered ; and if the house wished to read it before agreeing to the vote, he ihmild have no objection to postpone the vote. The vote was postponed accordingly. £BO,OOO for the new packet harbour at H ol y head. Sir S. NORTHCOTE remarked that the estimates for this work had grown to 11,900,000, of which £400,000 was for a breakwater, for the use of the transatlantic steamers. It would therefore be desirable to consider whether Holy head was to be the point of departure for the Atlantic steamers, otherwise the expenditure would turn out to be unnecessary. Mr. 'LAING was much obliged to the hon. gentleman) and would make inquiry into the matter. Mr. GLYN suggested an .a rrangement by Whi c h t h e American letters might be delivered 12 hours earlier. He said that although there had been an increased estimate for the harbour at Holyhead, the increased acccommodation for the public was more than commensurate with the in creased expenditure. On the vote of £23,403 for the annual expenses for the service of Portpatrick Harbour, and for the improvement of the harbour, Mr. BAXTERnioved that the chairman report progress, observing that Portpatrick could never be made a safe and efficient harbour. Mr. LAING said this was an exceptional case, but he Considered that the faith of the Government was pledged to the vote, and therefore trusted that the vote would be agreed to. Sir S. NORTHCOTE supported the vote, stating that the railway company had gone to a considerable expense on the faith of the sum now under consideration being granted. The vote was then agreed to. The next-vote was £70,421 for public buildings in Ireland. After a few remarks from Mr. BLACKBURN and Lord FEILHOY the vote was agreed to. The following votes were also agreed to, to complete the sums requisite for the several services :- £38,959 for the salaries &c., of the two Houses of Par liament. £31,600. for the expenses of the Treasury. £17,911 for the Home Department. 112,803 for the Foreign Department. £21,178 for the Colonial Department. L 1 0,593 for the Privy Council Office. 133,942 for the Board of Trade. £1,720 for the office of Lord Privy Seal. £3,855 for tho Civil Service Commission. £13,762 for the P a ymaster-General's Department. £4,898 for the C o mptroller-General of the Exchequer. £19,746 for the Office of Works. £13,.514 for the Office of Woods and Forests. £9,498 for the Office of Public Records. £52,379 for a dministration of the laws relating to the poet. £25,052 for the Mint. £13,925 for Inspectore of Factories and Mines. £3,179 for the Exchequer (Scotland). BANKRUPTS. Thomas Isaac James Sloper, oilman, St. Marylebone, to surrender July 26, at half-past two, and Aug. 17, at half past eleven, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Alfred Bower Blenkarn, merchant, Fenchurch-street, City, July 25, at eleven, and Aug. 29, at twelve, "at the Court of Bankruptcy. Thomas Robert Dobson, tailor and draper, Colchester, July 26, at half-past twelve, and Aug. 17, at two, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Henry Oppenheim, timber merchant, Old-street-road, July 25, at half-past twelve, and Ang. 24, at twelve, at the Court of Bankruptcy. SCOTCH BANKRUPT. George Gallic, cabinetmaker, Leith. BANK OF ENGLAND. An Account, pursuant to the Act 7th and Bth Victoria, cap. 32, 'for the week ending on Wednesday, the 13th day of July, 1859: FROM THE GAZETTE OF LAST NIGHT ST. JAMES'S PALACE, JULY 12. The Queen has been pleased to appoint the Rev. William Thomson, D.D., Provost of Queen's College, Oxford, and. Lincoln's Inns London, to be one of the Cha- Ordinaryto her Majesty. p P l r a e in u s h in er at ST. JAMES'S-PALACE, JULY 12. The Queen has been pl ease d to appoint the Reverend William Selwyn, 8.D., Prebendary of Ely and Margaret Professor of Divinity at Cambridge, to be one of the Chap. lairs in Ordinary to her Majesty. ST. JAMES'S PALACE, JULY 12. The Queen haq b een pleased to appoint the Reverend Charles Kingsley, Junior, Rector of Eversley, to be one of the Chaplains in Ordinary to Her Majesty. FO REIGN -OFFICE, JULY 12. The Queen has been graciously pleased to appoint the Hon. William George Grey, now Secretary to her Majesty's Legation at Berlin, to be Secretary to her Majesty's Em bassy at Paris. The Queen has be en graciously pleased to appoint Wm. Lowther, Esq., now Secretary to her Majesty's Legation at St. Petersburg.), to .be Secretary to her Majesty's Legation at Berlin. • Tho Queen has also been graciously pleased to appoint John Savile Lumley, Esq., now Secretary to her Majesty's Legation at Madrid, to be Secretary to her Majesty's Lega tion at St. Petersburgh. The Queen has also been graciously pleased to appoint the H on . Ri chard Edwardes, no w Secretary to her Ma jesty's L egat i on at Frankfort to be Secretary to her Ma jesty's Legation at Madrid. The Queen has also been graciously pleased to appoint Frederic Hamilton, Esq., now Secretary to her Maj esty's Legation at Ath ens , to be Secretary to her Majesty's Lega tion at Frankfort. The FletcherQ u c e a e v n e h n d a h also a b r e l en eAai agjres Conyersct y iou , s s lyliore Embassy to , aEtepciaa„pnp. nowintot First Paid Attache to her be Secretary to her Majesty's Legation at Athens. ADMIRALTY, JULY 12. Corps of Royal Marine s—Cap tain Edward Stanley evi vice Browne to be Lieutenant- o i on , F leming, retired on full-pay; First Lieutenant Harry Lewis Evans to be Cap tain, v i ce Browne; -promoted; Second Lieut enan t J osep h Philips to be First Lieutenant, vice Evans, promoted. COMMISSIONS .SIGNED BY THE QUEEN. Norfolk Militia Artillery—Andrew Russell, Gent, to be Quartermaster. Shropshire Regiment of Militia—Quartermaster-Ser- geant James Armstrong, late Renfrew Militia, to be Quar termaster, vice Wallace Boyce, resigned. COMMISSIONS BY LORDS-LIEUTENANT.. Herefordshire Regiment of Militi a —E ns i gn Frederic Aldrich to be Lieutenant, vi ce J o h n H arw ood ' Griffiths, Frederick ipromotedEnsign Edward N a pl e t on Cheese to be Lieu tenant, vice Edward Willi ams, promote d ; Ensign revinTle Wood Willett to be Li eu t enant, v i ce Th o mas Bas k e Mynors, resigned. Royal Carnarvonshire Militia—Henry Kneeshaw, Gent., to be Ensign. East Suffolk Regiment of Militia Artillery Corps--Howard Whitbread, Esq., to be Captain Ist Devon Re g i men t o f Militia—Thomas Welby Ncrth more, to be Ensi gn ; Richard A 0T Brine to be Lieute- Charles David Agar to t'e nant, vice Yat es , resigned ; be Ensign, vic e B r i ne , promoted; Pollard n to be Ensign. ; John Tyrrell to be Th om as Dimond Hogg to be Captain, v i ce Webber, resigned Ensign ; George Augustus Royal London Militia —Ensign s ign Augustus Newton to be Lieutenant, vice Arthur ' —ECumming Thomas Brown, pro moted ; Ensign Frederick Richard Fortnum Keats to be Lieutenant, vice Frederick Peto, promoted ; and Ensign Thurlby Smith to be Lieutenant, vice Thomas William Andrews, protootel• (Light Infantry) of West York Militia— Whitten to be Lieutenant, Ensign Eugene . Ensign William Whitaker to be Wynne, retires , vice Ensign Albert Darley to be Lieutenant ; En -2d Regiment Thomas Curzon Lieutenant ;, send Daniel to be Lieutenant. signWojrcohnestej.reshire Regiment of Militia —Captain Chas. S. Haw kins to be Second Major; Captain Thos C. N. Nor- ISSUE DEPARTMENT. Notes issued £31,813,0551 Government Debt £11,015,100 Other Securities .. 3,459,900 Gold Coin & Bullion 17,338,055 Silver £31,813,05 £31,813,055 RANKING D : Proprietors' Capi- . tal £14,553,000 Rest Public Deposits (in cludhig Exche quer, Savings' Banks, Commis - missioners of Na tional Debt, and Dividend Ac- i:PARTMENT. Government Secu- rities . (including Dead WeightAn nutty) £11,420,C80 Other SeturitieFt 17,802,911 Notes • 10,100,525 Gold and Silver Coin 603,73d counts) 4,871,793 Other Deposits 16,364,798 Seven Day and other Bills 863,207 X 39,927852 M.l .£39,927,852 .RSHALL, Chief Cashier. Dated July 14, 1859. AVERAGE PRICE OF SUGAR. The Average Price of Brown or Muscovado Sugar, com puted from Returns made in the week ending the 12th day of July, 1859, exclusive of the duties of Customs paid or payable thereon, on the importation thereof into Great Britain : Per cwt. From the British possessions in America 26s 5-id Muscovado, the produce of the Mauritius 24s lid Muscovado,. the produce of the East Indies 30s Old Average price of the foregoing 26s 2ld COUNTRY MARKETS. LIVERPOOL-JULY 15. Our market was exceedingly dull this morning, and only a small number of buyers made their appearance. The quo tations may be noted the same as this day week for both wheat and flour. Indian corn attracted a fair inquiry, and held firmly. All other kinds scarcely looked at. WAKEFIELD--JULY 15. The wheat trade stillinactive, and business limited, the quotations for fresh parcels being 2s per qr..lower. For chambered lots not much doing. Beans, oats, and shelling a shade lower. Barley nominal. Wheat, per qr. of 8 bushels 601 b., Essex, Suffolk, and Kent, white, old, 48s to 52s ; new, 48s to 53s ; ditto, red, old, 42s to 465; new, 42s to 46s ; Lincolnshire and York shire white, new, 44s to 50s ; red, 40s to 455. Averages for the week : Wheat .1,678 qrs., at 46. Old Beans 8ar1ey......... .. . ... —s Od Peas „ Oats lO „ 2Bs Od Rye - /9 .. -s Od EXETER-JuLt 15. The business was extremely dull to-day at the following prices : - Wheat, white.. 55 Od to 5s 3d Barley.. 3s 9d to 4s Od. I Ditto red 4s 3d to 4s 6d Oats .. . 3B Od to 38 3d Flour, fine, 30s to 325; seconds, 29s to 30s per sack.' CATTLE—The market was fairly supplied with stock. A moderate attendance of farmers. Pork carcases in small supply. Fat beef,p score,9s6d to 10s6d Ewes, per lb ... .. 5d to s}i Pork carcases, doBs Od to 8s 6d Wethers, d 0...... 6d to 6id Lambs, per 1b..... bid to 7d Fat calves, do ....sid:to 6d Rough fat, 4td per lb. . • BRISTOL SUGAR-JULY 15. There has been a fair demand here for sugars this week, several parcels of West India having found buyers, at prices which were not previously obtainable ; in floating cargoes, also, a large amount of business is reported, chiefly in Brazils and Havannahs, at steady rates. Refiners' pro duce of all descriptions continues to find buyers at full prices. Rum is still neglected, and lower in value. COAL MARE (Prices of Coal per Ton at s. d. :ET. —JULY 15. the dose of the market.) Walla End. Howard's West Hart- ley 15 6 Buddle's West Hartleyl6 Wylam l5 6 Eden Main 15 9 Hetton .".. .;.. l7 6 Braddyll's Hetton 16 0 • South Hetton 17 3 Hartlepool. l7 0 Hetton Lyons Main l5 3 South Kelloe l6 6 Haswell..... 17 6 Keiper Grange l6 6 Russell's Hetton - l5 9 Nixon's Duffryn 21 6 Powell' sDufEryn Steam 21 0 ,101—Sold, 83. Walls End. Tees l7 6 Heugh Hall 15 6 South Hartlepool 16 0 Whitworth 15 6 Kelloe l6 6 Ships at market [ADVERTISEMENT.]—ThorIey's Food for Cattle is now' beginning to seriously attract the attention of the farmer, breeder, and feeder of stock... Two years of unremitting care and attention have enabled its inventor to take high ground as a benefactor tothese interests ; and notwithstand ing the many drawbacks, the malevolent shafts hurled institan b d ec it o s m p e ro a b n ab ec le es u s t i ili ty ty to , t t h h e e fo a l ri , f:ourtnral interest.its admitted value, aga will p E r x o p d e u r c i e e s nc h e ed h t a h s a p n r d ov v ed ig , o f:st in , thallat animals ra ef:cts a considerable saving in the consumption of provender s se s e u o b n j dl ec y ted , th to at ita it influence : and lastly, increases in a remarkable degree an early development of fat. Mr. Thoriffs originating this singularly efficacious food, aimed at a compound calculated to supersede, to a certain extent, the tedious and expensive mode then prevailing of fattening stall-fed beasts. In this he happily s ucceeded ; and success prompted a very natural desire to improve upon the invention, so as to make it ap plicable to every description of domestic animal. The Eng lish farmer was slow to encourage its use, and manifested an unwillingness to rely upon its efficacy, fancying he possessed in the produce of his farm, ample materials -whereby to feed and fatten his cattle at a cheaper rate thanby the employment or addition of artificial food. • The tests to whichthis food has been subjected have proved its perfect admissibility as a cheap addition to the natural produce of the farm ; inasmudh as in all cases a subtraction of one-third may be safely submitted to in the usual food of animals ; and that the produce will be realised, and rendered marketable in- two-thirds of the time usually consumed in developing fat ; it, therefore, becomes apparent that a certain saving is effected by &lair application of Thorley's Compounded Food. It is believed that the present unprecedented low price of wheat has induced its very gene ral use, in preference " ' to any other of the usual articles of food ; it is, however, much questioned whether wheat is s nourishing and proper food for the working horse, certainlj' it is not for cows or pigs. Mr. Thorley's Food, besides possessing the advantage of greatly invigorating the health and increasing the physical power of all animals, is a tonic and gentle stimulant,, and when mixed with their other food, materially assists their digestive powers—a matter of great consequence, since it is an undoubted fact -that the nourishment contained in their ordinary food is lost, conse quent upon the impaired or defective action of the digestkve willto goaolds° in n rg r a e n sto s ; ri i n t g be found working tobe condition particularlyilorses4whibeehne il have cial been over-worked, or • become weak from disease, or are naturally of a feeble constitution. In cows its effects are undoubted, indeed almost marvellous, nearly doubling the yield of milk and butter, whilst it at the same time enriches the quality of both. In pigs its fattening qualities are still m ore remarkable, displaying in a few weeks its m a nifest s uperiority over every other kind of compound or manu factured food adopted in the feeding o f sw i ne . S uc h has been its marked success, that at all our great cattle shows, Royalty, noblemen, and others who have fed their cattle on Thorley's Food, have invariably carried off the principal pr izes, whilst cares of The patronage of Royalty, of our .principal 'nobility, the clergy, and of our leading agriculturists, must prove s great incitement to this gentleman to pursue his onward course ; and he may confidently rely, in producing so highly-favoured a compound, on a continuafinn of such high and distinguished patronage. • BIRTHS. BARRETT.—On the 11th inst., at East Dulwich, the wife of Henry Barrett, of a daughter. DALDY.—On the 14th inst., at Croydon, Mrs. F. R. Daldy• of a daughter. Liman.—On the 14th inst., at 13, Talbot-square, Hyde park, the wife of the Rev. J. Lillie, D.D. of a daughter. MACLEOD.—On the 12th inst., at Invergerdon Castle; Ross-shire, the wife of R. B. 2E. Macleod, Esq., of Cad boll, of a daughter. MARRIAGES. COIVAN—PRITCHARD. — On the 14th inst., at St.• Jude% Southsea, Michael W. Cowan, Esq., M.D., R.N., to Emma Louisa, youngest daughter of the late Comman der J. W. Pritchard, R.N. HALE—O'BRIEN.—On the 14th inst., at Broxbourne Church, W. P. Hale, Esq., of the Middle Temple, eldest son of the Ven. the Archdeacon of London, to Mary, the younger daughter of the late Rear-Admiral D. Henchl O'Brien, of Yew House, Hoddesdon, Herts. DEATHS. CARVER.—On the 13th inst., at Bath, Edward B. Stirlirg Carver, Esq., aged 32. COOMBES.—On the 14th inst., Mr. James Coombes, 01 Hardwick-place, Commercial-road, aged 68. EDWARDS.—On the 12th inst., at Padetcw, Cornwall, W. Ed wards, Esq., Commander, R.N.; Aged 78. GRIFFITH.—On the 12th inst., at Bath, the Rev. EdwardGriffiith, M.A., aged 92. HAYS.—On the 12th inst., at Leicester, John Hays, Esq., aged 84. MANTELL.—On the 12th inst., at his residence, Green, park, Bath, George Mantell, M.D., late of Farringdont Berks, aged. 70. SnersoN.—On the 12th inst., at Cheltenham, Lieut...CoL James Simpson, late H.E.1.C.5., aged 81. YARDE.—On the 14th inst., at Scarborough, John Yardet Esq., of Tonb r id ge Hous, Crediton, Devon, aged 67. LONDON : Printed and Published by MURDO YOUNG . of No. 112, Strand, Printer, at The Su* Office, No. 112, Strand, in the Precinct of the Savoy, :n the county Middlesex, Saturday, July 16, 1859, I