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that they are not in so verydefective a condition as some per sons appear to believe. I nowwish to say afew words with re spect to the question of inspection. Undoubtedly it is advis able there should be a verycareful inspection by Admiralty officers of all vessels that are being built by contract, and as a general rule the Admiralty always appoint a superior officer, who acts as an inspector in every yard where those vessels are being constructed. One officer, however, acts as inspector in :a yard whatever may be the n in bar of vessels being built in it, and hence it is that it becomes desirable we should have as many vessels as possible constructed in one yard. We have at this moment 24 vessels being built by contract, and we have 17 inspectors attached to the yards in which the works are carried on; but as there are two or more vessels being constructed in some of the yards, there is none of them without a Government inspector. This question, of inspection, however, is one involved in some dif ficulty. Private ship-builders are only invited at some pe riod of public emergency to contract for the supply of vessels for the royal navy, and at such a time we are at full work in the royal dockyards, where men are employed during extra hours and on task jobs; and it then becomes a matter of great importance that in the dockyards themselves the most vigilant superintendence should be exercised. The conse quence is that it is more than usually difficult to find in spectors for overlooking the work done in private establish ments. We are at this moment, however, most careful that an efficient system of supervision should take place with re gard to all vessels being built by contract, and we have a variety of checks against abuses in that matter. We have not only an inspector in each yard, but we send down offi cers periodically to examine and report how the work is being performed ; and the vessels afterwards undergo a sur vey at the period when they are delivered up to the Admi ralty. We thus take every possible precaution against bad workmanship and bad material; and while I am upon that subject I will appeal to myhon. and gallant friend the mem ber for Chatham (Sir F. Smith) whether he does not think the Admiralty have shown great anxiety to arrive at the truth in those cases in which they had every reason to sits pect that fraud had been practised by contractors. The only other question I have to answer is that which has been put to me by the hon. baronet the member for the city of Dublin with regard to the position of surgeons in the navy. I have to inform the hon. baronet that the surgeons are now about to receive a new uniform. The reasons for the delay which has taken place in that matter are that we have felt it necessary that all the non-executive officers in a ship should have a uniform distinct from that of the executive officers, and that we did not wish to decide what should be the uniform of the first of these classes until the House of Commons should agree to grant the sums necessary for im proving their general condition. With regard to cabins, I cannot hold out the least hope that the Admiralty will give the surgeons the same kind of cabins that are given to cap tains of ships. We are anxious that proper cabins should be provided for surgeons, but we cannot place them in the same position in that case as captains. My right hon. friend opposite has stated that, according to theinformation which he received, a cabin was refused to an assistant-surgeon en board the Queen, while that accommodation was afforded to the head master and other inferior officers. Capt, Hillyard, however, who commanded that vessel, has informed me that he gave every cabin he could for the use of the assistant surgeons, and that at last one of them wished to turn him out of his own steward's berth, as it is called. (A laugh.) Here fused to accede to that demand, and that is the only founda tion for the story to which my right hon. friend has alluded. Sir J. PAKINGTON—Are we to understand that it is the intention of the Admiralty to prosecute contractors in all cases in which there are reasonable grounds for suspect ing them of fraud ? (Hear, hear.) Lord C. PAGET—We are taking legal opinions for the purpose of ascertaining how far we have the power of insti tuting such proceedings. Sir C. NAPIER said it appeared that the contractors in that case had fairly told the Government that they could not provide seasoned timber ; and although the Government had received that information, he thought they were per fectly right in the emergency which had by that time arisen to order that the gunboats should be constructed. But he should like to learn from the noble lord who were the contractors who had employed short bolts, and who had thus shown themselves ready to expose the lives of every man onboard their ships to the most imminent peril. (Hear, hear.) He wished to know who it was that had re sorted to that fraud in building the Caroline gunboat. The name of such a man ought to be made known to the house, and he was sure they would all feel that no punishment could be half severe enough for him. (Hear, hear.) Con tractors who did their work in such a manner as to risk the lives of officers and men ought to be severely punished. (Hear, hear.) Ile wanted the noble lord the Secretary of the Admiralty to tell them the names of such contractors, that the house might express an opinion with regard to their conduct. (Hear.) Lord C. PAGET observed that there were inspectors. Sir C. NAPIER would like to know, then, who the in• , specters were, and who appointed them. (Hear, hear.) The noble lord had told them that 23 of the gunboats had been repaired. He did not say what was the extent of the repairs. He said he hoped the 16 gunboats on the Hasler slip were not so bad. Hoping was not sufficient in such a case. (Hear, hear.) Why had not the Admiralty sent some one to examine those gunboats one by one ? 'Why had not the noble lord, who it had been understood was to do wonders at the Admiralty, ascertained. the actual state of the boats at the Haslar slip? (Hear, hear.) He said he hoped the case was not so bad as had been supposed. Why, good God ! he surely blight to know the real state of the case. In his opinion, it would do a great deal of good to appoint one of the' Lords of the Admiralty to see that the rest did their duty. (Laughter.) There ought at all events to be a complete system of inspection. The gun boats built by contractors were, it appeared, not the only ones that were defective. The Government had built a certain number under their own officers in their own yards. Had those boats been satisfactorily constructed or not ? He believed that they had not. The nation ought not to be trifled with any longer. The contractors, whoever they might be, and the persons under whose directions the infe rior gunboats built in the Government yards were con structed, ought to be brought to book. (Hear, hear.) Any inquiry would, he knew, be attended with great difficulties, but there certainly ought to be an inquiry, and it should be made as searching as possible. (Hear, hear.) He hoped that the hon. and gallant member for Chatham (Sir F. Smith) would adhere to his purpose of moving for a com mittee, and that the members of that committee would not be content with the statement of witnesses, but go down and examine personally every one of the defective gun boats. Millions of money were being spent annually on the navy, and it was really disgraceful that the money should have been so misapplied. He was told that the stern of the Princess Royal—a vessel which his noble and gallant friend (Lord C. Paget) had himself commanded—on being recently taken to pieces, was found to have been originally con structed of very unsound timber. He had heard that in every case in which a sailing line-of-battle ship was now being converted into a steam line-of-battle ship, the timber used in the process of conversion was unseasoned. The Ad miralty might tell them that they had no seasoned timber. Wby had they not ? (Hear.) His hon. friend the member for West Norfolk (Mr. Bentinck) pointed out to the hous e the other day that there was never a sufficient quantity of well-seasoned timber kept in the dockyards. Why was that? Surely it could not be said that Parliament did not vote enough money. He was far from finding fault with the Ad miralty for converting sailing into steam line-of-battle ships —on the contrary, he considered it absolutely necessary to do so. He entirely concurred in the remark made by the right hon. gentleman the member for Buckinghamshire a short time ago, that the position of foreign affairs at the present time was enough to make the boldest man quake and the wisest man tremble ; and though he (Sir C. Na pier) did not pretend to be one of the wisest men in the country, he would take every opportunity of warning the Government not to neglect the navy. (Cheers.) Admiral DUNCOMBE had understood the noble lord to say that some of the boats on the Haslar slip were more or less rotten. Lord C. PAGET said, what he had stated was that some of them required small repairs. Admiral DUNCOMBE could only say that, two years ago, in examining these vessels• at Haslar for himself, he poked the end of his umbrella through the bottoms of some of them. (Laughter.) After that he could not very well understandhow they could require only small repairs. The noble lord was probably aware that a great many naval officers and naval authorities were entirely opposed to the system of haulingup vessels on dry slips, and thus exposing them to atmospheric influence. The best thing in the world for ships was, he believed, to keep them afloat, and he should be glad to see a comparison instituted between those which were kept afloat and those which were laid tip in reserve. No doubt the great source of decay in vessels was their having been built originally of unsound timber ; and to remedy this evil the royal arsenals should, he thought, keep a good supply of timber, and furnish the builders with it as it was required. He had that day seen a statement that two of the mortar-boats at Chatham were so rotten that it was very doubtful indeed whether they ought to be repaired or not, and he would suggest to the Government that, if that turned out to be true, the Admi ralty, instead of remaining liable to the expense of con stantly repairing them, should have them broken up'at once. 14r. BENTINCK said the question raised by his hon. and gallant friend (Sir C. Napier), whether or not line-of. battle ships were being converted with unseasoned timber it might be shown that an English occupation would con fer a great benefit on the island, yet in five or six years our rule would be intolerable there; and it was desirable that foreign nations should be disabused of the notion that we have any design upon it. Another reason why Govern ment should disavow all connivance with an illegal attempt to assist the Sicilians was, that the true and wise course for this country, as the upholder of the constitutional in terest of Europe, was to strive that the principle of na tional boundaries should be respected, and that every na tion should settle its quarrels with its rulers in its own ter ritories. If we could only once prevent despotic powers interfering to put down the people, and make it a rule that neither a despot should interfere to support despo tism, nor a liberal Government to support a liberal Go vernment, we might be sure that before long the liberal party would be able completely to crush their oppressors. If he had made it perfectly clear that his object in putting the motion was a friendly one—and he wished the revolt 'every successY and that it would extend to the main land, and be successful there to the destruction of the present Go vernment ofNaples—and if he had made it perfectly clear that the English Government should do nothing to support the insurrection, he had said enough, and he would con clude by putting the question. The SOLICITOR-GENERAL said he hoped he should not be considered wanting in respect to the house if he con fined himself to a precise answer to the question, and de • clined to follow the hon. member into the observations in which he had thought proper to indulge. His attention had been called to the advertisement by the question itself which the hon. member had put. He had read the adver tisement. It solicited subset iptions in aid of the Sicilians, and requested that the money, which persons in this coun try might be disposed to subscribe, should be paid into the hands of certain persons living iu this country whose names were given, and the proposal was that this money should be transmitted to Genoa, and be there disposed of by a com mittee stated to be presided over by General Garibaldi. Therefore, the question was whether the subscription of money by ono of her Majesty's subjects in this country, by paying it into the hands of another person who was a foreigner living here, for the purposes and with the object that he had described, came within any rule of common law cr within any statute law of this country. Now, it appeared to him that so long as that which was done was limited within the boundary of a mere subscription in this country as the advertisement limited it, no law of this country would be violated. The only statute which in any way bore on the matter was the Foreign Enlistment Act. That act Prohibited two things, it prohibited the enlistment of soldiers, and it prohibited the fitting out of vessels of war for service under or against foreign governments. As far f a he was able to form an opinion, no one who thought pro per to put his hand in his pocket and take out money to pay it to a person to send' it to Genoa, to be there disposed of by General Garibaldi—he did not suppose that any person in the exercise of such benevolence, would violate either the common law or the statute law of this country. (Hear.) INDIA—RECALL OF SIR CHARLES TREVELYAN Mr. DANBY SEYMOUR said ho rose to ask the Secre tary of State for India whether it was true that he had taken the decisive and important step of recalling Sir C. Trevelyan from the governorship of Madras ? He might be permitted to address to the house a few observations, show ing the importance of this step, as he was perfectly ac quainted with the Madras government as it was six or seven years ago, and he had stated to the - house in stances of miss government, of a most chaotic state of the country, and of most oppressive taxation amounting to 50 per cent. of the gross produce of the soil. He had now to show on the other hand that in that presidency, after a short reign of one year, by the personal influence of the governor, the popula tion was reconciled to the government it before hated, an equitable assessment had been carried out, and contrary to the traditions of the old East India Company, land for the first time in India bad been sold in fee simple to any person who chose to buy it. It was with astonish ment that he heard that the man who had done all this had been recalled. Mr. Wilson had proposed a budget in the Legislative Council of India. He proposed it openly, stating the financial difficulties under which the Government of India laboured, and his plan for meeting them. He found that there was an extremely large deficit, amounting to nine millions for this year and to six millions for the next, and he stated that he found it necessary to impose three new taxes; one of these was the tobacco tax, which had already caused three rebellions ; and the other two were a license tax and an income tax, The license tax, or maturpha tax, which was levied in the Madras presidency, was condemned by the Court of Directors in 1816, and was ordered to be n more levied; but now, in 1860, it was still levied in that presi dency. He did not quarrel with Mr. Wilson for proposing these taxes if they were absolutely necessary. When they were proposed Sir C. Trevelyan was on a tour of inspec tion in his presidency. He immediately stopped the tour, and returned to Madras, and he penned that able minute, the publication of which was the cause of his recall. He thought when hon. members saw this minute they would say Sir Charles Trevelyan displayed a know ledge of the subject and of the country entitling him to be heard before the Legislative Council before they put in execution any of these new schemes of taxation. He regretted very much to find that when they had a man of energy and determination as Governor of Madras, a man who had broken through all the injurious restrictions by which his predecessors were bound, and raised the people in the scale of comfort and happiness, the home government had thought proper to recal him, because he protested against a scheme which he believed to be impolitic. Sir C. WOOD said ho was not prepared by the notice of a simple question as to whether he had recalled Sir C. Tre velyan for a speech on subjects of such great importance, and therefore he should not attempt to follow the bon. gen ' tleman in his rema r k s . Th e recal of Sir C. Trevelyan was caused in no degree by the opinion which he expressed with regard to the Government scheme of taxation, but simply by the act of publishing, he must say most impro perly and most insubordinately, a most important minute. No one could have a greater regard than he had for that gentleman both on public and private grounds, but he thought that the house would agree with him that the cir cumstances of the case were such as fully to justify him in the course he adopted. The house would remember that the Indian financial statement of last year showed a deficit of about £13,000,000, and that for the present year a deficit of £9,503,000. With a view of meeting this deficiency the Government last year proposed a license tax, which was very soon modified into a quasi income tax, to which was added a tax on tobacco. They invited the opinions of all the governors of India, including, of course, the Governor of Madras, with regard to those taxes. In the course of the autumn the Governor of Madras expressed his opinion broadly and distinctly against the imposition of those taxes, and said that in his judgment no additional taxation was necessary, because the expenditure might be reduced within the limits of the income. His hon. friend wanted to know why the Government did not do what Sir C. Trevelyan said. There was a wonderful difference between saying , and doing. Before the financial measures of the Government were pre pared, it appeared that the military expenditure of Madras, which had been estimated in the preceding year at less than £3,000,000, reached, according to a report of the accountant of the Madras government, a sum considerably exceeding £4,000,000. Instead of the expenditure having been reduced it was exceeded by £1,500,000, and those who were respon sible for the finances of the country must be guided by facts rather than by statements. With a full knowledge of all the circumstances, in January last the Government deter ' mined upon the plan which had been announced to this country, which was introduced on the 18th February, in a very full and able statement by Mr. Wilson in the Council at Calcutta. His hon. friend was mistaken in supposing the financial scheme propounded by Mr. Wilson was arranged in this country before Mr. Wilson went out to India; all that had been determined upon at that time was the intro duction of a paper currency. Mr. Wilson did not propose his financial scheme in India till he ,had travelled through the interior of the country as far as the Punjaub, and had communicated with all the chief authorities, and it was brought forward with the entire concurrence of the Gover nor-General and everrmember of Council after the fullest consideration. The scheme was introduced on February 18th, and transmitted to Madras. On March 4th an open telegram left Madras for Calcutta with the governor's opi nion. On the 9th March a confidential letter was sent to Madras, stating the views and reasons of the governors and the objections they felt to communicating by open telegram, on the ground that it was list right that communications be ' tween one governor and another should be open to the public. On the 17th of March a letter from the Madras go vernment was addressed to tho central government at Cal cutta, stating that they saw no objection to communications passing by open telegram. More than that, on the 21st of March a telegram was sent to Madras stating that the bi I would be introduced on the 24th of the same month, that it would then be referred to a committee, and that it could not be reported upon for five weeks. He mentioned these dates to show that at the time Sir C. Trevelyan's mi nute was made and published the government of Madras were in possession of the opinions of the government of India that it was not to the advantage of the public service that the opinions of the subordinate governments should be given to the world, and also that there was ample time for remonstrance. On the 26th March the opinions of Sir C. Trevelyan and his council were recorded in the minutes, and his hen friend had read a part of Sir C. Trevelyan's minute. (" No," from' Mr. D. SEYMOUR.) Well, he had read a part of the minute of the members of the council, and he (Sir C. Wobd) quite admitted that the minute of Sir C. Trevelyan was a most able and excellent document. (Cheers.) It was unquestionably a most forcible argument against the views contained is Mr Wilson's scheme, and had it been addressed from one side of the house to the other, he did not know that a better answer to that scheme could have been made. (Hear.) But it was quite another question whether that was a document which ought to be published to the world. Tho document was sent to the Madras member of the Legislative Council at Calcutta, and if it had been given in the form of a speech from him in the council it would have been a remarkably good ono; but it was accompanied with a request that it should be then printed—that was, if the majority thought it right. But he did not hold that the Madras member of the Legislative Council was the mere delegate of the Madras government ; he was bound to exercise his judgment on all matters that came before him. This being the etate of the case, without t/41) kilowl9dge, with- HARBOURS OF REFUGE. Mr. LINDSAY. asked the President of the Board of Trade when her Majesty's Government intended to intro dues measures to carry into effect the recommendations of the Harbours of Refuge Commission. The hon. member having adverted to the great loss of life and property which had taken place duri ng th e past year, sa id th a t a com mittee had been appointed to inquire into the best means for the prevention of such losses in future. That committee were unanimously of opinion that the best means to be adopted was the establishment of harbours of refuge on the coasts of Scotland, England, and Wales. (Hear, hear.) That committee recommended the appointment of a royal commission to ascertain the most eligible site for these harbours. He was a member of:that commission, and they had endeavoured to carry out their duties. They recommended that £2,360,000 should be expended on the construction of these harbours of refuge. He thought it was a waste of time to appoint commissions if they did not act on their suggestions, and he considered that if the money required could not be advanced, there should be loans towards carrying out the construction of harbours of refuge. MORTAR VESSELS AND BOATS. Mr. W. EWART asked- the Secretary to the Admiralty what were the measures adopted for subjecting to a strict system of inspection, while they are being built, gunboats and other vessels, built on contract for the Government ? Sir J. PAKINGTON rose for the purpose of asking the Secretary to the Admiralty what was the real extent of the injury by decay which had been discovered in her Majesty's mortar vessels and gunboats : whether it was true that im proper workmanship and fastenings had also been discovered; and what steps the Board of Admiralty had taken or in tended to take in consequence of the present state of those vessels. The right hon. baronet said that before he put these questions he should express a hope that the right hon. gentleman the President of the Board of Trade would give a satisfactory answer to the appeal which had been addressed to him by the hon. member for Sunderland on the subject of the construction of harbours of refuge. He coincided in every word that had fallen from his friend with respect to the immense importance for the protection of life and pro perty, of establishing better harbours of refuge than those we at present possessed along our coast; and he trusted that no considerations of economy would deter her Majesty's Go vernment from carrying out the recommendations of the commissioners in that matter. He should also say that he hoped his noble friend the Secretary to the Admiralty would be able to offer to the house a satisfactory explanation with reference to the position of medical officers in the navy. He had upon a former occasion mentioned that a statement had reached him, to the effect that an assistant-surgeon had been unable to obtain a cabin on board the Queen, although cabins had been found in that vessel for the head -master and other inferior officers. His noble friend had told him that there was no truth in that statement ; but he (Sir J. Pakington) had still some reason to doubt whether his noble friend himself might not have been misinformed upon that subject. Ho would next proceed to put to his noble friend the questions of which he had given notice with re spect to our gunboats and mortar vessels. For several weeks past the publii journals have been daily full of statements with regard to the decay of those vessels ; and not only that but complaints had been repeatedly made with respect to the conduct of the contractors who had undertaken the building of that portion of our naval force. He hoped his noble friend would c Raider that the best course for him to take in that matter would be to tell the truth. (Hear, hear, and a laugh.) He did not, of course, mean to imply any doubt of the veracity of- his noble friend, but he trusted that his noble friend would candidly lay before the house the whole of the facts with regard to the state of those vessels, and that he would, at the same time, in form them whether there was any fair ground , for casting any serious imputation on the contractors. (Hear, hear.) His (Sir J. Pakingtou's) attention had been called to the state of those gunboats in the year 1851, and he had felt it* hie duty to subject to an inspection the boats hauled up on the slips at Haslar. It was then found that a certain amount of the elm planking had decayed, but the decay did not appear to have extended any further. The Admiralty had given orders to have that defect removed, and they had every reason to suppose that those vessels had been placed in a sound condition. But they were now told that instead of having merely a few decayed elm planks, the whole frame work of those vessels was rotten, and within the last fewdays it had been stated in the newspapers that four of her Ma jesty's mortar vessels had been recently examined and found so thoroughly rotten that the Admiralty had no choice but to break them up. That was not, however, the worst part of the case. They were informed through the same chan nels that the workinOnship of those vessels was very de fective ; and he was sorry to have to add that there were charges of what must be called dishonest work—charges to the effect that the bolting of the vessels had been such that they could not go to sea with safety. These were most serious statements, and the time had come when they ought to know what were the real facts of the case. He had not, as far as he was at present informed, the slightest inten tion of imputing any blame to the Board of Admiralty of the period when the vessels had been built ; nor, indeed, had he any information on which he could cast any serious imputation on these contractors. Great allowance must be made for the haste with which those vessels had necessarily been constructed. The can tracts had been taken up by houses of undoubted repute • tion, and there appeared to have been no suspicion at the time that they had not bebn faithfully carried out. But the statement which had recently been made deeply affected the public mind, and had an important bearing upon the ques tion how far they could resort to the contract system in the building of ships for the royal navy without endangering the public interest. Under these circumstances it was only fair to the contractors in that case that the whole truth should be made known. He hoped, therefore, that his noble friend would tell them fairly and fully what was the real condition of those vessels"; whether it was true that they showed signs of improper workmanship, and what steps the Admiralty had already taken or were prepared to take in consequence of any discoveries they might have made. Mr. B. OSBORNE said he hoped the noble lord would also inform the house whether any officer connected with her Majesty's dockyards had superintended the construction of those vessels, and had given any opinion with respect to their efficiency. .Lord C. PAGET said—l will follow the advice of my right hon. friend opposite, and I will state the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth—(a laugh)—with regard to these gunboats, as far as it is knoivn to us at the Admiralty. (Hear, hear.) The first duty I have to discharge upon this occasion is to allay the anxiety which has been caused by the apprehension that the whole of the gunboats now in the royal navy are rotten and unfit for service. Up to the present time we have discovered that a certain number have been more or less decayed, and measures either have been taken or are being taken for their repair. I will state the number of those which have been repaired, but I amnet at present able to give the house a correct estimate of the ex tent of the repairs, because the accounts have not yet been sent in. The noble lord the member for Cockermouth (Lord Naas) has, however, moved for a return which will show the expense of building each of these contract gunboats, and the expense of repairing them, which will give a fair idea of the decay that has taken place in them. It must be re membered that when shipbuilders were wanted to enter into contracts for the construction of these gunboats and mortar vessels, the country was very anxious that they should be ready for the campaign which was to open in the ensuing spring; and it is only fair to the contractors that I should state that they themselves cordially and distinctly informed the Admiralty that they had no seasoned timber on hand, and that no seasoned timber could then be procured. I have myself seen a letter addressed to one of them, in which the Admiralty, after they had learnt from him that he had ne seasoned timber, desired him to go on building with that which he had, so that, as regards the timber, I am bound to observe that, under the peculiar circumstances of the case, there is a good deal to be said on behalf of the contractors. (Hear.) But when we come to the question of shortness of bolts, I mast say that that is a fraud of a horrible nature, inasmuch as it is manifest that a vessel in such a condition going to sea and meeting with bad weather might go to the bottom with all her crew. (Hear.) The house will easily understand, therefore, that the Admiralty make a great dis tinction between the two points—(hear) —and I have to state that we are now taking legal advice for the purpose of ascertaining whether it would be desirable that we should take further proceedings in respect to this case of defective bolting. I will now proceed to inform the house what is the number of boats that have been rewired, and what is their present state. Besides a great number of those boats which are now on foreign service, there are in th e y ar d s 23 th a t were cci found in a Partial state of d ecay , an d that have since been mPletelY r ePaired ; and we have now six boats in hand. There remain to be examined 16 of those hauled in Hasler T i and I can make no statement with respect to their pre sent condition. There are 40 in the steam reserve. We have no reason to suppose that those 40 which are afloat show any signs of decay; but I cannot positively state to the house whether or not they will require any repairs. I do not think that is a matter which need alarm the public, any more than the condition of the 16 w h ich have not yet been examined in Haslar slip, but which may be found defective. With regard, however, to those that are afloat, I am rather more hopeful that they will net require such extensive re pairs as some persons seem to suppose. With regard to the mortar vessels, undoubtedly those which have been examined have been found extremely defective. Two of those at Chatham, have been broken up, in consequence of their timber and planks having been found one mass of de cay. But with regard to two others which I find it stated in the newsrepers to-day are in a similar condition, we have not yet received any report at the Admiralty. I should state that we have found some defects in the government-built boats, and 11 of them have also had to undergoconsiderable repairs. But the only b oats at Hasler slip that have not yet been examined are the 16 I have already named. All the rest have been examined or are As meat, all di think we may assume Mr. DIGBY SEYMOUR called the attention of the house to the state of the law with regard to collisions at sea so far as foreign vessels were concerned; and asked the President of the Board of Trade whether her Majesty's Go vernment were prepared to urge on the Governments of other countries the expediency of establishing some interna tional rule for assimilating the liability of shipowners in eases of collision at home and abroad ? Mr. M. GIBSON stated that cOmmimications had already passed between the Board of Trade and the Foreign-office in reference to the subject to which the hon. member had just called attention, with the view of bringing about some international arrangement. With regard to the question of the hon. member for Sunderland, as to whether the Govern ment intended to introduce any measure to carry into effect the recommendations of the Harbours of Refuge Commis sion, he admitted that the matter was of great importance. There could be no difference of opinion that it was desirable that harbours of refuge should exist, especially upon the eastern coast, where so many merchant vessels were in the constant habit of passing. The main question, however, was, where the money was to come from. The committee recommended that the expense should be defrayed by a toll levied upon the passing ships, but the opinion of the com missioners was that the expenditnre should be defrayed by a parliamentary grant. He did not find upon instituting inquiries that either the shipowners or the insurers valued harbours of refuge sufficiently to be willing to take upon themselves any considerable portion of the charge, and with regard to a parliamentary grant, that was a question for the consideration of the Treasury. The question was now un der consideration, and instructions had been given to pre pare a bill to carry out to a great extent the recommenda tions of the commission. It was not, however, intended to give effect to them, but the provisions of the bill would give facilities for making improvements without putting the parties in each case to the expense of a special act of Par liament. FRENCH FORTIFICATIONS AT ST. PIERRE. Mr. iHALIBURTON rose to call the attention of the- Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs to the state of the French fortifications at St. Pierre; and to ask whether there would be any objection to lay upon the table of the house copies of all questions submitted to the law officers of the Crown ? The hon. gentleman said there were two small islands on the northern shore of the Straits of Belle - isle, lying between them and the Labrador coast, which having been taken from the French, had been restored upon conditions expressly stipulated in the treaty of 1763. Those conditions were that no building was to be erected, except for the purpose of the fishery ; that not more than 50 soldiers were to be kept as police ; and, above all, that they were to erect no fortifications whatever. Fortifica tions, however, had been erected; and on a former occa sion he had asked the noble lord whether his attention had been called to the fact, and whether steps had been taken, either by application from the governor of Newfoundland or from the Government of this country to the Govern ment of France, to restrain the erection of those fortifica tions. The French flag was constantly flying, and many of the inhabitants of the island were Frenchmen, who, though well disposed to her Majesty, still felt that France was their fatherland. He did not complain so muchof the erection of buildings on the island as of armed batteries. The few English fishermen who had at times seen the bat teries, upon asking the meaning of them, were told, with a shrug of the shoulders, " Oh, l that's the morning battery and this the evening battery, and they are placed there by the Emperor." In fact, no secret was made of the matter. Mr. E. JAMES asked the noble lord the Secretary •of State for Foreign Affairs whether it was the intention of the Government to proceed continuously with the Reform Bill, the consideration of which in committee had been postponed till the 4th of June, so as to afford to the other branch of the legislature the opportunity of passing into law that bill during the present session. Mr. GRIFFITH asked the noble lord the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs whether he was now able to give any assurance that no French troops would be moved into the provinces of Chablais and Faucigny until the question of the dispositions to be adopted as to those neutralised pro vinces should be finally determined upon by diplomatic con sultation and agreement. The how gentleman said he did not wish to make any attack upon the noble lord, for he ac knowledged the difficulty of his position, and whoever had occupied that' . osition would find himself surrounded by the same difficulties. He wished to point out that if France were allowed to occupy those provinces before any settlement took place she would not withdraw her troops afterwards, and therefore he desired the British Government to make their proceedings intelligible at this stage of the matter. He thought it would be better for Switzerland that they should withdraw from the matter at once than that they should be drawn into a proceeding which would be delusive from the beginning. He would just remind the noble lord that M. Thouvenel had said in one of his despatches that, in case of the annexation of Savoy to France these provinces would be given to Switzerland, and he (Mr. Griffith) only expressed the feeling of this country in the matter when he asked the noble lord whether he could give any assurance that that arrangement would be carried out, and that France would not be allowed to occupy these provinces. (Hear, hear.) THE REFORM BILL. Mr. SCULLY asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs whether her Majesty's government would agree to introduce provisions applicable to Ireland into the Repre sentation of the Peopls Bill for England and Wales. The hon. member said a feeling was very general that there was no sincerity in the house on the subject of reform. It had been stated that if the house voted by ballot, there would only be found two votes in favour of the noble lord's bill—that of the noble I,rd himself and his backer, the hon. member for Birmingham. (A laugh.) But who could say_whether there would be even those two ? (Hear, hear.) For his own part if he were charged with insincerity he should plead guilty to the soft impeachment. He had long since suggested to the Government the desirableness of having but one reform bill. He would rather have bad laws in common with England than good laws which were peculiar to Ireland. That might sound like a paradox, but the explanation would be very intelligible. If they had bad laws in common with France, it was not likely that those bad laws would long be tolerated, but if they had good laws, peculiar to Ireland, what security had they that they would not be converted into bad ones by a tyrannical majority ? Lf the house was insincere on the subject of the noble lord's bill, what were the people ? Why, he found from a paper put into his hand that morning that the total number of signatures which had been appended to petitions of any kind on the subject of reform was only 90,000. (Hear.) Thera were only 9,711 in favour of the noble lord's bill, and only two (signatures) in favour of the entire scheme of the Government. (Hear, hear.) He did not think that the people of Ireland (who, by the bye, had petitioned more numerously in favour of reform than the people of England) cared about the subject at all. He had lately visited some of the most important towns in the sister country, and he found that the inhabitants were quite contented with their present representatives. Already too much time had been wasted on the noble lord's bill in comparison with the pro gress it had made, and before it passed— " Weary se'nnights nine times nine Would it dwindle, peak, and pine." (Laughter.) He might go on with the quotation— " The' the bill might not be lost, Yet it should be tempest-tost." (Loud laughter and cheers.) All kinds of uncomplimentary epithets had been applied to the measure. It had been compared to a bread-pill, which would do neither good nor harm ; and the hon. member for Birmingham had ex pressed a hope that it would not prove to be like a Spanish repast, at which there was very little of meat, but a very great deal of table cloth. It appeared to him (Mr. Scully) that that exactly described the characier of the noble lord's Scheme. (Hear, hear.) In the meantime it had stopped the way of a great deal of very useful legislation. It was as if an express train was expected. -Everything had been shunted out of the way; but when at last it came it turned out to be a parliamentary of the slowest possible descrip tion. (Laughter and cheers.) Let the noble lord take it off the line altogether, and let the proper business of the session pursue its course. Let the noble lord, if he pleased, throw the blame on the house, or let him throw it all on him—(loud laughter)—but if he adopted this course be would do the country a real service. (Hear, hear.) Mr. BOUVERIE said he rose to call the attention of he house to the manner in which the business was con ducted. Last night the house, having gone into committee of was and means, passed a resolution imposing a license duty upon refreshment houses, and that resolution having been passed was, contrary to universal practice and prece dent, reported forthwith to the house without, as was usual, a day's delay. The house was aware that immediately a resolution was thus reported steps were taken by the Re venue Department for levying the duties thereby imposed; so that by reporting the resolution forthwith no opportu nity was aff3rded to the house or to those members who happened not to be present at the time of the discussion to re-consider the matter and determine whether it was ex pedient that a tax of the kind should be imposed. (Hear, hear.) It was a matter of very great importance, and the respect they owed to the forms of the house should compel them on some future day to take some steps in regard to the proceedings, and perhaps to declare that the report in question should be null and void, so that it might ap pear on the journals of the house that the course that had been taken was not to be regarded as a precedent. Mr. DISRAELI said he considered the point to be one of the greatest public importance. It was not necessary for him to dilate upon the importance of the forms of the house, forms which had been invented by the experience of per sons for the welfare of the country—but there might at times be occasions when those forms might be insisted upon with too great attention, and be unnecessarily multi plied. There was, however, one point in respect to which no difference of opinion could exist. and that was, that when a question as regarded the imposition of taxes was under the consideration of the house, the:forms of the house should be strictly adhered to. In the case of committees of ways and means, there was a decided rule of the house, that the Mr. JAMES wished to explain that he never said he thought the noble lord insincere ; his opinion was quite the reverse. What he said was the impression in the country was that the Government were not sincere. Mr. SCULLY protested against the term inconsistency ;being applied to his conduct. Lord J. RUSSELL said heby no means intended to refer :to the hon. and learned gentleman. CAPTAIN GRANT'S APPARATUS. Mr. S. HERBERT sail he very much regretted that he , eould not give a very satisfactory answer to the gallant officer opposite (Col. Lindsay), who had drawn the atten tion of the house to the system of cooking proposed by Capt. Grant. He should be extremely glad to do anything which would be agreeable to Capt. Grant ; but he felt bound to say, upon the question of a disbursement of the national finances, that it would be difficult, when inventions were .multiplying so rapidly, to give a reward to him and not to .others. THE SICILIAN INSURRECTION. Mr. GRANT DUFF, in rising, pursuant to notice, to ask the Solicitor •Gemral whether his attention had been drawn to an advertisement which appeared in the Times of the 9th of May, announcing that a subscription had been opened in London in aid of the Sicilians, and whether per .sons in this country who contributed to the fund which it was proposed to raise would render themselves liable to any legal process, said it had been suggested that if ho asked this question he should be asked in return why the recruit ing which was going on in Ireland for the Government of the Pope was not put an end to. He supposed the reason to be that Government, knowing that other Governments were getting rid of the refuse of their gaols in that way, thought they would do the same. But the Sicilian insur rection was a very different affair. The Sicilians were fighting in a good and holy cause, and he did not wish that - that cause should be damaged by any illegality. It was not a matter that could be treated with contempt. If it were true that General Garibaldi had sailed for Sicily the matter assumed a serious aspect. If he once got into the island with reinforcements this would be the commencement of a very great struggle indeed. The towns on the coast might be under the power of the Neapolitan Governments so long as the Neapolitan navy could keep the seas, but much of 'he interior was of a character which made it difficult or regular troops to act ; the towns were built on y ocky eminences, and it would be easy for a handful of r esolute men to defend them against any number of such I; woops as the King of Naples could bring against them. If t 1 lie insurrection were kept up, the attention of Europe II Would be drawn to this subscription. He did not think that 41 se subscription would amount to such a sum as to be of -A ay service to the Sicilians, but it might be considerable e aough to attract the attention of Europe. If there were a nything ill ega l i n the subscription, he thought it wise and p roper th a t t h e Government should oz dy France and Italy, but the whole of the 0,2 si ). They should do this for iw6 reasons ; first, because uw position with regard to Sicily was a neculiar one. Not give warning that it was We had doigns upon that 0 =0Y; — 444 tu i . " , 11811 pc Cted that . .i.tinent sus- report upon resolutions passed in such committees should not be reported in the same day. All would agree that this was a most prudent cdirrse to pursue. He had intended to bring this matter himself before tho house that evening, but he was prevented from doing so owing to the many in teresting matters that came before the house in the course of the evening. He, however, determined to have done so on Monday night. He would not at the same time have been willing to censure the Government for an intentional de parture from the practice of the house on this subject, but to have suggested such a step as would have prevented the course now complained of from being drawn into a preee dent. LORD J. RUSSELL IN REPLY. Lord J. RUSSELL—The hon. and learned gentleman op , posit() has already brought forward the question of these fortifications on the Island of St. Pierre ; and I am very sorry that the answer which I then gave him does not ap pear to be satisfactory, because I have now little more to do than to state again what was the substance of that answer. In 1856—1 think in the month of January —an order was sent to the Governor of Newfoundland to make inquiries into the existence of fortifications on the Island of St. Pierre. In the month of April he made an answer to the question which was put to him; and he stated that there were forti fications commanding the entrance of the harbour —that there was a battery mounting 8 24 -pounders, 2 42-pound guns commanding the roadstead, and that there was ano ther battery at the entrance of the harbour commanding the south-eastern passage, in which there were 8 42-pounders. There was likewise a third battery and a barrack capable of holding iOO or 400 men. Upon this state of affairs the whole question was submitted to the law officers of the crown. It was not a single question as to any particular fortification, but it was a question whether the state of things described was conformable to the treaty or at va riance with it. The hon. and learned gentleman has stated very truly that from 1713 to 1814 there were various treaties which made provisions with regard to fortifications on St. Pierre; and the question was, whether there ought to be for tifications or no fortifications on that island ? The answer of the law officers was, t4eae fortifications did not Aul9lint A was so important that he hoped that before the debate closed the Secretary of the Admiralty would give some ex planation. The very notion of such a thing was calculated to alarm the country. (Hear.) As regarded the gunboats at Haslar, whatever doubts might have existed with regard to them two years ago, there could be no doubt now that they were in an extremely rotten state, and that was, he believed, chiefly owing to their having been hauled up on a slip and kept dry instead of being allowed to remain afloat. There was scarcely anybody em ployed in a shipbuilder's yard who could not have told them that that would be the result. Seventy gunboats were hauled up at an expense of £70,000, and he had no doubt that the sixteen remaining on the Hasler slip would be found to be in the same state as the others. As to inspec tion, it was impossible for inspectors to know the real state of the case unless they were constantly present, and he be lieved it would be good economy to have a sufficient Aura- Mr. MASSE Y said that if there had been any impro priety in the matter he had been primarily responsible for Mr. CARDWELL said he did not propose what should be done on a future occasion. The departure from the forms of the house which had taken place was to be regretted. The Chancellor of the Exchequer was of that opinion, and would makea statement on the subject to the house on Monday next. The SPEAKER said there was no doubt that a resolu- tion should not be reported to the house the same day it was agreed to. There was no doubt that this was the prac tice of the house, and that that should have the force of a rule. He had noticed it at the time on returning to the house, but no objection being raised, and understanding that it had met with the general concurrence of the houEa he had put the resolution. There, however, could be no doubt but that the course was irregular and should be cor rected. (Hear, hear.) xvir, ASICQUIVI' hoped tka Ogutethilag mod po done THE SUN LONDON' SATURDAY EVENING MAY 12 1860 2922 • . . , ~ - .... ..................... given to Capt a i n G ran t f or th e t serv i ces h e h a d that they are not in so verydefective a condition as some Pere ber of insPectors to watch, the !nhole Proness of building. to an infraction Of the various treaties which had been en- 'it mig•ht be shown that an English occupation would con- ' out the concurrenc e , and h e (si r c, wood) w as j us tifi e d It o prevent the recurrence of an irregularity such as that rendered in improving and economising the system. sons appear to believe. I nowwish to say afew words withre- PUBLIC PROSECUTIONS. tered into. The hon. and learned gentleman aski me to pro- fer a great benefit on the island, yet in five or six years our in saying against the opinions of the other members of the ' which had taken place. He contended that th e ga ll an t capta i n was entitled to the spen t to t h e quest i on of, i nspec ti on . - undoubtedly itisa.civis- Mr. HOWES called attention to the report of the com- duce the question submitted to the law officers, and the an- rule would be intolerable there; and it was desirable that council, the minute was published by Sir C. Trevelyan ; Lord PALMERSTON agreed in the propriety of some y mission on the costs of prosec u ti ons ; an d as k e d th e & ere _ swe r whi c h th e y returned to it ; but to do so would be foreign nations should be disabused of the notion that we and to their surprise, the othee members of the council saw thing being done to mark that irregularity, and they would gratitude mid the substantial proof of the approval of his able there should be a verycareful inspection by Admiralt services by the country. That officer had been requested officers of all vessels that are being built by conract, and tary of State for the Home Department, whether it was the quite against the rule which has always been adopted, have any design upon it, Anoth er reason w h y G overn _ hi s min u t e and their minute' in the public newspapers of consider the best course to adopt on Monday next. intention of the Government to brin g i n a bin, or t a k e any In su c h ca ses it is not considered right to produce the ment should disavow all connivance with an illegal attempt Madras. It was at first suppoSed that the document might ADJOURNMENT OF THE HOUSE. hy`the Russian and other Governments to supply them as a general rule the Admiralty always appoint a superior with his invention. 1 officer, who acts as an inspector in every yard where those other steps, in relation to the subje c t o f th e sa id re p or t ? opi n i on e f th e l aw officeri of the crown ; and believing; as to assist the Sicilians was, that tho true and wise course have got out of the office by some misconduct or negligence Tho motion that the house on its rising do adjourn till Mr. CAVE also adv ted the Aims of the gallant ' vessels are being constructed. One officer, however, acts as Sir G. C. LE WIS answered in the negative. I do, that that rule is formed upon very good reasons, I for this country, as the upholder of the constitutional in- of some clerk in the Council-officenand an inquiry was in- Monday was then agreed to. • ector in:a yard whatever may be the nin bar of vessels cannot comply with the hon. and learned gentleman's re- terest of Europe, was to strive that the principle of na- stituted, but it was found that no such misfeasance had PENSIONS TO OFFICERS FOR WOUNDS. officer. ' INSPECTION OF VESSELS. • being built in it, and hence it is that it becomes desirable quest. The matter cf the fisheries is quite a different one. tional boundaries should be respected, and that every na- taken place. An application was then made to Sir C. Tre • Colonel NORTH moved an Address to her Majestaa , HARBOURS OF REFUGE. Sir F. SMITH drew the attention of the noble lord The hon. and learned gentleman said, I daresay very truly, tion should settle its quarrels with its rulers in its own ter- velyan's private secretary, who stated at once that they praying that she would be graciously pleased to reconsider we should have as many vessels as possible constructed in Mr. LINDSAY. tasked the President of the Board of (Lord C. Paget) to this subject, and he made different sug one yard. We have at this moment 24 vessels being built that there were 30,000 Frenchmen employed in these fishe- ritories. If we could only once prevent despotic Powers had been issued bY him, and that he had authority for it ; the warrant granting pensions and allowancee to officers of Trade when her Majesty's Government intended to intro gestions in reference to the matter. 1 by contract, and we have 17 inspectors attached to the yards ries. It is the practice of the French Government, and I interfe r in g to put down the peopl e , a n d mak e it a rule and by a minute recorded by Sir C. Trevelyan he, in the the land forces limited to woUnds and injuries received in anoe measures to c into effect the recommendations of LIABILITIES OF SHIPOWNERS IN CASES OF the Harbours of Refuge Commission. The hon.. member in which the w . orks are carried on; but as there are two or COLLISION AT SEA. believe it is also the practice of the Government of the that reither a despot should interfere to support despo- most gallant and honourable manner, to use theleeal phrase action-which was agreed to. m . ore vessels being . constracted in some of . the yards, there . United Sta . tes, to give large boun . ties . in order to promote tism, nor a liberal Government to support a liberal Go- avowed and justified the act. Sir C. Trevelyan stated in that THAMES EMBANKMENT. ha • g adverted to the great loss of life and property Mr. DIGBY SEYMOUR called the attention of the is non . e of t . heen wi . Mout a Government inspector. This those fisheries. It is part of their policy to do so, rather, I vernment, we might be sure that before long the liberal minute, which would be laid before the house with other Sir J. PAXTON moved the appointment of the select which had taken place dining the past y , said that a coin house to the state of the law with regard to collisions at sea mittee had been appointed to inquire into the best means for question, of ms . pectir, however, is one involved in some dif so far as foreign vessels were concerned ; and asked the believe, withne view to have a . large number of seamen than party would be able completely to crush their oppressors. pa:pers, " I take the earliest opportunity of stating that, act- committee on Thames Embankment to consist of the follow- Private alup-builders are only invited at some pe with a view to any commercial profits that they might de- If he had made it perfectly clear that his object in putting ing on my sole responsibility, I freely distributed copies of i n g members :-Sir Joseph Paxton, Lord John Manners, the prevention of such losses in futive. That committee were fieultY. President of the Board of Trade whether her Majesty's Go . ously of opinion that the best means to be adopted riod of public emergency to contract for the supply of nessels ve ent were prepared to urge on the Governments of rive from them. It is a totally separate question, and does the motion was a friendly one-and he wished the revolt the minute to the members of the Government as to Mr. Mr. Cowper, Sir John Pal ington, Mr. Alderman Cubittf was the establishment of harbours of refuge on the coasts for the royal navy, and at such a time we are at full work in other countries the expediency of establishing some interne- not relate to treaties at all. It is a matter of trade policy, • every successy and that it would extend to the main land, Wilson's financial statement, with the view to secure for Sir John Shelley, Mr. Stirlieg, Mr. Tite, Lord Robert of Scotland, England, and Wales. (Hear, hear.) That the royal dockyards, where men are employed during extra tional rule for assimilating the liability of shiteo ors in with respect to which it would not be convenient to enter at and be successful there to the destruction of the present Go- them the utmost publicity." The supreme Government of Montagu, Mr. Walter, Sir Morton Peto, Mr. .Philins, Mr. committee recommended the appointment of a royal b.ours and on talc jobs ; and it then becomes a matt,er of eases of collision at home and abroad ? the present moment. Of course the hon. and learned gentle- vernment of,Naples-and if he had made it perfectly clear India were in possession of the views of the Government of Hempen, Mr. Yorke, and Mr. Beamish. Power to send for co ission to ascertain the most eligible site great importance that in the dockyards themselves the mast Mr. M. GIBSON stated that cOmmunications had alread man can, if he thinks fit, find fault with the policy adopted that the English Government should do nothing to support Madras ; all the great taxe s propos e d by Mr. Wilson had persons, papers, and records ; five to be the quorum. vigilant superintendence should be exercised. The cense y some few years ago of discontinuing the system of bounties. the insurrection, he had said enough, and he would con- formed the subject of correspondence between them and the Agreed to. for these harbours. He was a member of:that commission, passed between the Board of Trade and the Forei -office WAYS .AND MEANS. and they had endeavoured to carry out their duties. They quence is that it is more than usually difficult to find in in reference to the subject to which the hon member had The noble lord (Lord levaine) asked me a question about clude by putting the question. supreme Government, and there was ample time for remon recommended that £2,360,000 should be expended on the specters for overlooking the work done in private establish- . t ailed tt t . 'th th ' •• • ' the fisheriesconvention with regard to Newfoundland. That The SOLICITOR-GENERAL said he hop e d h e sh ou ld strance. lf Sir C. Trovelyan desired to remonstrate, it was The house then went into committee, and voted construction of these harbours of refuge. He thought it ments. We are at this moment, however, most careful that jus c aen ion, wi e view of bringing about some . international gement. With regard to the q estio f n o is a subject of great importance, and the negociations upon not be considered wanting in respect to the house if he con- his duty to address his remonstrance to the central Govern- £9,500,000, ahhicb. was necessary for the public service, and a waste of time to appoint commissions if they did an efficient system of supervision should take place with re the hon. member for Sunderland as to wheth r Oe n G it have now lasted for a considerable time ; but I hope they fined himself to a precise answer to the que s ti on , an d d e . anent of India, and with his views he would have been fully the votes for which had been already agreed to ire nom ard to all vessels being built by contract, and we have a are approaching their termination. Capt. Dunlop, the com- clined to follow the hon. member into the observations in justified in so doing. Indeed it was his duty, holding those mittee of stipply. not act on their suggestions', and he considered that g ment intended to introduce any Measure to e,:r LeZe rn c; if the money required could not be advanced, there variety of checks against abuses in that matter. We have missioner sent to Paris to complete them, has returned home. which he had thought proper to indulge. His attention views, to place them before the Government of India for FISHERIES (SCOTLAND) BILL. the recommendations of the Harbo of Refu rY e Com ' sheuld be loans towards carrying out the construction of not only an inspector in each yard, but we send down offi- He has this day seen my noble Mend the Secretary of State had been called to the advertisement by the question itself their consideration. But he went further than that, and he This bill was read a third time and passed. sion, he admitted that the matter was of great fir:Torte= cers periodically to examine and report how the work is for the Colonies, and lam told that the explanation which which the hon. member had put. He had read the adver- took a step which he must say, for a man holding.such a ;The house then adjourned at half-past one o'clock. harbours of refuge. There could be no difference of opinion that it was desirable • • , MORTAR VESSELS AND BOATS. being performed ; and the vessels afterwards undergo a sur that harbours of refu e should exist, especiall u on the he has given is satisfactory to the noble duke. The gallant tisement. It solicited subsmiptions in aid of the Sicilians, _position in any country-but especially in India-seemed ---- Mr. W. EWART asked- the Secretary to the Admiralty vey at the period when they are delivered up to the Admi eastern coast, where s g o many merchant vessels Y wefe in the eaptain is about to return to Paris, when he hopes to bring to and requested that the money, which person,s in this coun- to him altogether unjustiaable ;he appealed to the public of RAIL WAY IN TBLLIGENCE: . what were the measures adopted for subjecting to a striet rally. We thus take every possible precaution against bad co t habit of passing. The main question however a termination this negociation. The opinion of the commis- try might be disposed to subscribe, should be paid into the India against the measures of the Indian Government. __ o n__ • system of inspection, while they are being built, gunboats workmanship and bad material ; and while lam upon that was, where the money was to come from. The 'committee sioner has been that it would not be necessary to have any hands of certain persons living in this country whose names (Hear.) Sir C. Trevelyan said further in his minute, " The TRAFFIC RETURNS FOR THE IN EEK. and other vessels, built on contract for the Government ? subject I will appeal to myhon. and gallant friend the mem r !amended that the expense should be defrayed b a toll new treaty, but that the treaty which already exists, with a were given, and the proposal was that this money should be s tate of public opinion had to be collected in order to bear Sir J. PAKINGTON rose for the purpose of asking the ber for Chatham (Sir F. Smith) whether he does not think levied upon the passing ships, but the opinion of th y e com- proper interpretation and with proper measures taken to transmitted to Genoa, and be there disposed of by a corn- upon the Government, and I therefore accepted Mr. Wilson's Railways. Miles Opened Receipts: ~._____....._____. r ___-.......___,,, Secretary to tke Admiralty what was the real extent of the the Admiralty have shown great anxiety to arrive at the missioners was that the expendienre should be defrayed b carry it into effect, would be sufficient. I will not, therefore, mittee stated to be presided over by General Garibaldi. challenge to public discussion, and disregarded his subse -1860. 1859. 1860. 1859. injury by decay which had been discovered in her Majesty's truth in those cases in which they had every reason to Eats a parliamentary grant. He did not find upon instituti: enter any further into that matfer; but I trust I shall soon .Therefore, the question was whether the subscription of quent instructions." (Hear, hear.) Mr. Wilson thought - , mortar vessels and gunboats : whether it was true that im- Peet that fraud had been practised by contractors. The inquiries that either the shipowners or the insurers valuegd be able to announce the completion of the negotiations. The money by one of her Majesty's subjects in this country, by it not desirable that the provincial Governments of India Ballymena and Portrush... 35 .35 4 ..... 1 4 ..... properworkmanshipand fasteningshadalso beendiscovered; only other question I have to answer is that which has been harbours of refuge sufficiently to be willing to take upon hon. gentleman opposite (Mr : Griffith) asked me, with re- paying it into the hands of another person who i was a should be committed by public discussion to oppoaition. He Bedule and Leyburn lO 10 - - 65 1,537 1,212 and what steps the Board of Admiralty had taken or in- Put to me by the hon. baronet the member for the city of themselves any considerable portion of the charge, and with gard to Faucigny and Chablais, whether we have received foreigner living here, for the purposes and with the object thought it was a seemly position for Mr. Wilson to take, to E i le e n:l a a n n cl ttally t m y n uu e Do a ven i 17 614 568 tended to take in consequence of the present state of those Dublin with regard to the position of surgeons in the navy. regard to a parliamentary grant, that was a question for the any assura : nce th i at h no l a irenc d h tr t oops will be moved into that he had described, came within any rule of common obtain the opinion of the provincial governments, but it was Birkd., Lane., & Ches. June. 33 ' 33 5,782 5,059 20 20 1,865 :1,955 vessels. The right hon. baronet said that before he put I have to inform t . .he hon. baro . net that h the surgeo f ns th ere consideration of the Treasury. The question was now un- those provmr. t av t e . 7 y s ated that the French Gho-t law cr within any statute law of this country. Now, it not seemly that Sir C. Trevelyan, as the governor of a su- 11 . 1s i r s ti t i o rLIMe pter 125 119 6,681 5,399 vern . ment re use o en . er _in o any e . ngagement upon t a appeared to him that so long as that which was done was bordinate dependency, should invite public discussion in 198 f 1981 14,480 13,007 these questions he should express a hope that the right hon. now about to receive a new 'uniform. T e reasons or e der consideration, and instructions had been given to pre- Caledonian ' Nntle the President of the Board of Trade would give delay which has taken place in that matt . er are that hre haze pare a bill to carry out to a great extent the recommenda- , point. . They h . ave said t . hat they will not send any troops limited within the boundary of a mere subscripti on in this opposition to the central government, and proclaim', himself Ches.&Holyhead(with3l o old) 941 9;1 3 2 - 61 14 - 8 t satisfactory er to the appeal which had been addressed felt it necessary that all the . non-executive officers mas . p tions of the commission. It was not, heviever, intended to into t . lia neutral!sed provinces of Savoy until the vote of the country ae the advertisement limited it, no law of this the head and leader of that opposition. (Hear, hear.) Ewes . F ‘ ec ri k , e an rne d ott a li n fe lo W n orkm e ton 8/ 20 20 335 382 ve a uniform distinct from that of the executive S . ardiman Parhament has completely ceded those posses- country Would be violated. The only statute which in any quite clear that the authority of any government could not Cork, Blackrock, & Passage. to him by thehon. member for Sunderland on the subject should ha give effect to them, but the provisions of the bill would give 61 61 2g 2:47 t d that we did not wish to decide what should be sions of Savoy ; but that after that time they will entermto way bore on the matter was the Foreign Enlistment Act. be . upheld and maintained if such a system of insubordina- 1 ..? l. of the construction of harbours of refuge. He coincided in officers, an facilities for making improvements without putting the D e u e s li d n e & Belfast J ction 1 6 73 1 56 1, 2 26 0 1, 2 105 rd that had fallen from his Mend with: respect to the uniform of the first of these classes until the House of .. . no engagement on the subject. The hon. gentleman is so That act hrohibited two thmgs, it prohibited the enlistment tion were tolerated. There had been misehief enough aris- D u blin anti Drogheda 63 63 1,720 11,717 every wo parties in each case to the expense of a special act of Par- Commons should agree to grant the sums necessary for im far right that I conceive any prospect of making a differ- • • • • - - of soldiers, and it prohibited the fitting out of vessels of war ing from insubordination in India not to allow it to extend Dub. & Wicklow (m.H.-ingst.) 401 401 12,472 2,088 the immense importance for the protection of life and pro liament. Dundalk and Enniskillen their general condition. With regard to cabins, I ence in the arrangements would be very imich clouded by for service under or against foreign governments. As far farther. There had been a mutiny in the army, native and Dundee and Arbroath . l7l 171 648 stl perty, of establishing better harbours of refuge than those we Proving FRENCH FORTIFICATIONS AT ST. PIERRE. cannot hold out the least . hope that the Admiralty will give that fact-as well as the prospect of naaking any proposal Es he was able to form an opinion, no on e who thought pro- European, and now there was a mutiny of one governor Dundee, Perth, & Aber. Jun. 31 31 1,070 941 at present possessed along onr coast ; and he trusted that no Mr. lIALIBURTON rose to call the attention of tha East Anghan 67/ 67/ 964 1,013 the surgeons the same kind of cabins that are given to cap that no French troops should occupy the country. I did per to put his hand in his pocket and take out money to pay against another-(hear)-and her Majesty's Government at considerations of economy would deter her Majesty's Go- Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs to the state fth E.Counties,Nrfk.,&E.Union 499 489 26,017 26,110 tains of ships. •We are anxious that proper cabins should 0 0 not understand at first what the hon. gentleman proposed • it to a person to send' it to Genoa, to be there disposed of by home would have been wanting in their duty if they had de- East Kent l9/ - _ _ vernMent from carrying out the recommendations of the French fortifications at St. 1:” Jerre ; and to ask whether be provided for surgeons, but we cannot place them in the n _ that we should do. I have not, as he states, given any as- General Garibaldi-he did not suppose that any person in 'eyed a moment taking notice of an act so insubordinate and P.l. e ancashireannelackburn) , 111 105 - - sommissioners in that matter. He should also say that he ere would be any objection to lay upon the table of the Vin n bu tu rgh and Glasgow same position in that case as captains. My right hon. friend La surance to this house which we were not able to fulfil. The the exercise of such benevolence, would violate either the so dangerous to the maintenance of our rule in India. di b •gh, Perth,& Dundee d 8 78 3,138 3,291 hoped his noble Mend the Secretary to the Admiralty would • h house copies of all questions submitted to the law officers th & Clyde Junction opposite has stated that, according to theinformation whic hon. gentleman now says that we ought to withdraw from common law or the statute law of this country. (Hear.) (Hear, hear.) They might eertainly have reprimanded Sir for be able to offer to the house a satisfactory explanation with of the Crown ? Th h tl • e on. gen eman said there were two • Furness he received, a cabin was refused to an assistant-surgeon on all further negotiations upon the subject. That is a matter C. Trevelyan, but in that case they must have sent a repri 183f et 2 ale 7,922 7,309 reference to the position of medical officers in the navy. He small islands on the northern shore of the Straits of Belle- INDIA-RECALL OF SIR CHARLES TREVELYAN Glasgow & South-Western board the Queen, while that accommodation was afforded to . certainly of very grave consideration, and I 'cannot at pre mand in terms so severe that no man could have remained ctreat Northern 283 283 25,783 23,251 had upon a former occasion mentioned that a statement had Mr. DANBY SE Y . .h TOUR said ho rose to ask the Secre the head master and other inferior officers. Capt, Hillyard, h l l • b t th d h • is e,. ying e ween em an t e Labrador coast, which sent give any assurance to the house of that nature. The under it. But that would have been a shabby course, and he %etched him, to the effect that an assistant-surgeon had ( _t ' ' r e r t.To t u i' ti n in rtn & n n f ts S ei%i tl ti n rlci ) 22 6 1 2g 1::4 9 4 Ng )ema unable to obtain a cabin on board the Queen although however, who commanded that vessel, has informed me that eying bee . n . taken from th e F renc h, h a d e e 'e n restored hon. and learned member for Marylebone asked me a ques- tarY of State for India N . vhether it was true tle . et he . had thought it was more just and more kind to Sir C. Trevelyan ureat We;tern • uon conditions xrsl ti • - • • • • ' • 18 18 e pes y s pulated in the treaty of le 63. non upon a very different subject, with regard to the Re- taken the decisive and important step of recalling Sir C. himself that they should take the responsibility on them- Hull and Holderness -- - he gave every cabin he could for the use of the assistant- P b f d ' h l f hh ' • • ;abins had een oun in t at vesse or t e ead-master md other inferior officers. His noble friend had told him surgeons, and that at last one of them wished to turn him out Those c f ondi:ions wer e th a t no b u ildi ng wa , t o be erected, form Bill. I think he has shown some candour in admit- Trevelyan from the governorship of Madras ? He might be selves of recalling him rather than to place him in a position ie r i i v s ne o s u s t i t i z .. .k e s Ld r e n ea June. g i ,2 i 8 3 1 4 4 6 7 4 7 , 1 5 ) hat there was no truth in that statement ; but he (Sir J. of his own steward's berth, as it is called. (A laugh.) He re- e_xcep l t di o: e t w e r p e u t r o pc ir li tt e s fish l e . rer tha d t n : .. 3 tin t ting that the Government have given some ground and ap- permitted to address to the . house a few observationsnlshow in which he would have been driven in a corner, and had Kilian? Jii a n d ett a % le in 41 41 _ 7-._- . E'akington) had still some rea.son ta doubt whether his fused to accede to that demand, an.d that is the only founda- °° the e ; we e rn to erect no Ertificaitiocze ,wialtivaerovepaor,tifio: pearance for the charge of insincerity that has been laid ing !he d imy i ff: re i‘ e i ( o i f this step, as he . was pesfect y ac no alternative but to resign. (Hear.) He (Sir C. Wood) L 1 . 1; s . e. ne ca naai r a a nd Windermeres 1001 1001 - - tion for the story to which my right hon. friend has alluded. agains: them ;II I a h r l a equally ready to decl . are that hi s co n - quaint wit d h e ha a d a t sr d arrn th men h t as it . wa t s six or rv i en therefore did not hesitate for a raiment to take the re- nenc. r . i l=tielac es kburn) 1 , 41 esei 35,2 g 30, 1 % lade friend himself might not have been misinformed upon tions, however, had been erected ; and on ais er occa: duct . s o . ws c f onsi era e appearance tha! he is not favourable years ago, a t n f a e most sponsibility of bringing the subject before his colleagues in L! in m areli c y Yli hat subject. He would next proceed to put to his noble Sir J. PAKINGTON-Are we to understand that it is sion he had asked the noble lord whether his attention had this bill o reform. (A ytugh.) I admit a degree of candour governmen , o sChaaeotiCostate.e 0 0 f Il t s h o e Ir e o s u a n n t e r e s o m s y, and of riend the questions of which he had given notice with re- the intention of the Admiralty to prosecute contractors in been called to the fact, and whether steps had been taken most o ressive taxation amountin to 50 er cent of t /in that respect equal to his. But with regard to the period of PP . g P • he the Government, and by his advice it was determined that London & North-Wes.tern . 917 891/ 82,533 7.3,035 pect to our gunboats and mortar vessels. For several weeks all cases in which there are reasonable grounds for suspect either by application from the governor of Newfoundland the introduction of this bill I must say that the Ist March gross produce of the soil. He had now to show on the other Sir C. Trevelyan should be recalled. In order that the autho- nom= istlottl=ern 339 30 p 1 1 8: 5 6 1 0 1 1 11 , 4 3 ,2 ast the publie journals have been daily full of statements ing them of fraud ? (Hear, hear.) rity of the supreme Government of India might be supported " EL Lond. Brighton, &S. Coast. 223/ 190/ 15,972_ 1.1..,431 or from the Government of this country to the Govern- was not a very late date u on which to bring in a bill of hand that in that presidency, after a short reign of one n (Hear.) He L'derry and Enniskillen rith regard to the decay of those vessels ; and not only that Lord C. PAGET-We are taking legal opinions for the and maintained no other course was ope . Lond., Tilbury, & Scuthend. 45 45 966 11,395 ment of France, to restrain the erection of those fortifica- hi le d Th th h 13 d 1 d tl ear b the personal influence of the governor, the po ula en e on . . an came gen eman suppoaes Y . , Y . thought the recall of Sir C. Trevelyan a great public lose, Man.,Sheffield, &Lincolnsh. 174 171 12,( 70 10 ,509 ut complaints had been repeatedly made with respect to purpose of ascertaining how far we have the power of insti- tions. The French flag was constantly flying, and many t tha s t I ll l l ia ' ve 1d th 't bfif d postponed this bill to the London Corporation tion was reconci e to e government i e ore ate , blic Manch. S.Jun.&Altrincham 91 9 1,029 956 tie conduct of the contractors who had undertaken the tuting such proceedings. b t't ould hav b u i ve e een a nreater pub . lic danger if a pu of the inhabitants of the island were Frenchmen, who, Reform Bill end other measures That is quite an erroneous an equitable assessment had been carried out, and Maryport and Carlisle 2B 28 1,213 ;175 servant had been allowed to remain in office after an act so midland 614/ 614/ 40,350 33,i, !14 uilding of that portion of our naval force. He hoped his Sir C. NAPIER said it appeared that the contractors in though well disposed to her Majesty still felt that France 't* h' t•'h . t hi t f contrary to the traditions of the old East India Company .oble friend would c nsider that the best course for him to that case had fairly told the Government that they could was their fatherland. He did not con] , plain so muchof the su . pposi f ion on is p . ar , owing per aps l o f I s h wan d o.dexpe land for the first time in India had been sold in fee simple' subversive of all authority and so dangerous to the main- Midland Gt.Westn. of Irind. 177 , 17 , 7 4,908 4,809 1,391 3 5:22 flence d o t f he procee . dings of th . e b l ouse. tenance of our rule in India-so calculated to promote ht n ee in that matter would be to tell the truth. (Hear, no t provide seasoned timber ; and although the Government erection of buildings on the island as of armed batteries d th a t t sa h i that m n o nkl o a ulsh. Rail. & Canal 4 7 1 V 2,561 2,207 to any person who chose to buy it. It was with astonish matea o the Highways Bill, propose a h e com opposition, and even insurrection. (Hear, hear.) These Newcastle and Carlisle 7B 78 4,059 3,312 ear, and a laugh.) He did not, of course, mean to imply had received that information, he thought they were per- The few English fishermea who had at times seen th bt ' ment that he heard that the man who had done all this had e .ti : - mine? on t . he Reform Bill should by taken to-mg t-being were the grounds on which the Government were prepared Newport,Aberg.,& Herefor 6O 50 1,447 1,341 ay doubt of the veracity of his noble friend, but he fedi); right in the emergency which had by that time teries, upon asking the meaning of them wer t ld e would I think been recalled. Mr. Wilson had proposed a budget in the . North British an. Dalkeith) 154 144 5,853 5,351 rusted that his noble friend would candidly lay before arisen to order that the gunboats should be constrested. shrug of the shoulders, "Oh that's the mo e rn e in ' b wl att a a notice night-t . he members of this .d hous hat .t ) 2 . . atter Legislative Council of India. He proposed it openly, stating h 11 of Sir C Trevelyan. He thought it was to justify t e reca . . North Devon 35 35 419 4Xte ie house the whole of the facts with regard to the state But he should like to learn from the noble lord who evere and this the evenine battery lid the are placed g the ell! g f enerally, and w . ith reason, have s f ai ,t h i h was a f in h . the financial diffibuities under which the Government of their duty to do so, and it was also their duty to allow no North-Eastern Tre- North London 716 735/ 10,213 34,5 W 9 9 2,546 2,52 X k far to t o g . reat import , a l nce to be le t . to t . e c ance o eing . , . - f d time to pass without providing a successor to Sir C. North Stafibrdshire 233 233 7,990 7,48 n f those vessels, and that he would, at the same time, in- the contractors who had employed short bolts, and who the Emperor." In ' fact, no s ' ecret wa y s made of the ma r t e ter y ° India laboured, and his plan for meeting them. ne oun ta en a nine yr ten oc oc on k a notice night -(hear, hear) velvan in the gevernorship of Madras, for the government North-Western 46i . 464 - _ a•m them whether there was any fair ground • for casting had thus shown themselves ready to expose the lives of Mr. E. JAMES asked the noble lord the Secrete ni that there was an extremely large deficit, amounting to nine - . num N. Yorkshire and Cleveland 101 _ -and that it ought to be taken the first thing on some of such a presidency was not one in which an interreg ay serious imputation on the contractors. (Hear, hear.) every man oinboard their ships to the most imminent peril. State for Foreign Affairs whether it was the intenta of ' h h 'll •B I millions for this year and to six millions for the next, and he Oxford, Worm, & Wolver evening wen t e orders of the day wi permit. ut may could be safely permitted. It was true, therefore . , th i at the Peebles , 182 181 206 i 196 Hs (Sir J. Pakingtou's) attention had been called to the (Hear, hear.) He wished to know who it was that had re- the Government to proceed continuousl with th R f stated that he found it necessar to impose three new taxes • further add, that there have been measures . of very great last night's mail, which took out the recall of Sir Charles etir c s en Cla r n a ill & Railway gg gg ga, 2,110 ate of those g - u - aboats in the year 1851, apid he had felt it' sorted to that fraud in building the Caroline e boat. The Bill, the consideration of which in ornamittee Ltd e tTen ne of these was the tobacco ta 3 ; which had alread causeci le importance which have been brought forward in this house Trevelyan, also tyok out thy commission appointing . S . ir scut Scottish North-Eastern... . 1!5 115 3,785 3:4(5' iit duty to subject to an inspection the boats hauled up on name of such a man ought to be made known to the house, postponed till the 4th of June, so as to afford to the ° three rebellions ; and the other t ' we were a license ta Y x and an other -measures not only of great importance, but of great He Ward in his place. Sir Henry Ward had admims- Shrewsbury & Birmingham 29 4 294 -2 192 2 051 ie slips at Hasler. It was then found thtt a certain a n d he was sure they would all feel that no punishment branch of the legislature the opportunity of passing into law urgency, namely, those which the Chancellor of the Ex- income tax, The license tax, or maturpha tax, which was tend the tf C 1 nh areat succeis, and had Shrewsbury and Chester governmen o 48 48 4,066 3,639 anant of the elm planking had decayed, but the decay did esnie be half severe enough for him. (Hear, hear.) Con- that bill during the present session. levied in the Madras presidency, was condemned by the . eY an wi ''' tint t th . k the Shrewsbury n Hereford c h hequer h N as h in . troduced for th . e financia . 1 requirements of largely improved the revenue, and he i no ~ in . y Shropshire Union 291 1,070 1,058 A appear to have extended any further. The AdmiraltY tractors who did their work in such a manner as to risk the Mr. GRIFFITH asked the noble lord the Secretary of Court of Directors in 1816, and was ordered to be n , more t th e y t ear h . ot nag can be m . ore mcony t enient t d o the . country could have found in the whole Indian or colonial service a South Devon rei 571 3,447 2,807 ad given orders to have that defect removed, and they had lives of officers and men ought to be severely punished. State for Foreign Affairs whether he was now able to ive levied ; but now in 1860, it was still levied in that presi- South-Eastern 306 302 19,972 19,759 an d o re nrasures f relarg to cis d om d s an exc i i i se post more fit person for the office. (Hear.) South Wales l7ll 171/ 6,436 6,264 cry reason to suppose that those vessel s had been placed in (Hear, hear.) 'He wanted the noble lord the Secretary of any assurance that no French troops would be moved tit° dency. He did ' not quarrel with Mr Wilson for proposing r ny :xi r Iracted or a . ozg pbrio i , unng e;s l ich f the Mr. BRIGHT sal •cl the conclusion ho had arrived at was S. Yorkshire and River Dim 118 108 3,302 2,700, sound condition. But they were no w told that instead of the Admiralty to tell them the names of such contractors, the provinces of Chablais and Faucigny until the uestion these taxes if they were absolutel n;cessa When they Stockton and Darlington .ving merely a few decayed elm planks, the whole frame- that the house might express an opinion with regard to of the dispositions to be adopted as to those neutral l i i sed pro- ti t = se e en c ied to eniceoitiolrey ; s eat IsOineZen. hrin ze ore, dS• C T 1 y rY. f • on were propose ir . reve yan was on a tour o inspec- that Sir C. Trevelyan believed the eourse about to be taken Taff Vale lster 52 ' 52 2 038 1 729 srk of those vessels was rotten, and within the last fewdays their conduct. (Hear.) vinces should be finally determined upon by diplomatic con- the Reform Bill till after g these important matters were g dis- tion in his presidency. He immediately stopped the tour, by the Government of Calcutta was full of danger to the p_ Ulverstone and Lancaster . 19 19 'eB3 '505 had been stated in the newspapers that four of her Ma peace of the country, and absolutely unnecessary to restore Vale of Neath 251 251 1,413 1,926 Lord C. PAGET observed that there were inspectors, imitation and agreement. The hon.' gentleman said he did posed of. (Hear hear )Ac ordingly, I have fi dth and returned to Madras, and he penned that able minute, 3ty's mortar vessels had been recently examined and found Sir C. NAPIER would like to know, then, who the in- not wish to make any attack upon the noble lord, for he ac- date of the com ' mittee on the 4th of June I ha le e e the publication of which was the cause Of his recall. He the balance in the finances of the empire. Under this ne a aglie r gn an are k oc en kg y ea . -! N 3 _ l ___ ___ 425 420 thcroughly rotten that the Admiralty had no choice but impression h.e courageously wrote a minute in opposition vv Waterford and Limerick specters were, and who appointed them. (Hear, hear.) knowledged the difficulty of his position, and whoever had tioned that time on which to brin it ' on • oT e c7' n ; thought when hon. members saw this minute they break them up. That was not, however, the worst part The noble lord had told them that 93 of th e g un b oa t s h a d occupied that'. osition would fiad himself surrounded by the whether it is to come 'on on that da g or not m ' ust d tired would say Sir Charles Trevelyan displayed a know- to the views of the central authority at Calcutta. This west Cor 11 H tl nwa l Harbr. &Rail F9' q, 4 7. 19 573 the men They were informed through the same chan- been repaired. He did not say what was the extent of th e same difficulties. He wished to point out that if France were er much o htis th 1 Y f th h b ePen ledge of the subject and of the country entitling him was an . unusual step, and contrary to the ordinary _Y.: I P I'v nit a ena e ver J unction l2 12 4 111 3,5 6 ,3 0 0 Is that th.e workmanship of those nessels was very de zrfnen.arnt3hoe ee o nli o t i t ise, eel': duty of subordinates ; but he (Mr. Bright) held that Whitehaven & Furness Jun. 35 35 723 628 repairs. He said he hoped the 16 gunboats on the Hasler allowed to occuleY those provinces before any settlement :n Lotice d r n i w we a cannot to be heard before the Legislative Council before they put 7 495 395 Aive ; and he was sorry to have to add that there were Sir C. Trevelyan had, in his administration. of the Go- tr o h it a;n i Cr i go o n L E o g N ie i nnt 7 slip were not so bad. Hoping was not sufficient in such a took Place she would not withdraw her tro o p s afterwards, bill without Y the . consent of /Z. mem m bers w e h e o uP m a a n y be in execution any of these new schemes of taxation. e ar e ges of what must be called dishonest work-charges to vernenent of Madras, shown himself much more of a states- -" case. (Hear, hear.) Why had not th e Ad m i ra lty s e n t and therefore he desired the Britieh Government to make willing to eive it precedence The hon and le ed He regretted very much to find that when they had a man Antwcrp and Rotterdam 52 52 851' 807 - ffect that the bolting of the vessels had been such that man than those who had announced the new scheme of Aus cr tylan E t .3. t. B2B 673 30,!t6 29,817 some one to examine those gunboats one by one ? Why their proceedings intelligible at this stage of the matter. He member for b Cork asked me ' whether we ' would a' of energy and determination as Governor of Madras, a man ey could not go to sea with safety. These were most serious financefor India. He was not, however, about to justify the Itkano anisifalle Arroinon. :: 10 - 47. , 1,e5 4 8 :1 pree who had broken through all the injurious restrictions by had not the noble lord, who it had been understood was to thought it would be better for Switzerland that they should to i troduce .lauses into the Reform Bill for Eng dements, and the time had come when they ought to indiscretion of Sir C. Trevelyan, nor to blame the Detroit and 31ilwaukie 185 185 3,288 2,182 which his predecessors were bound, and raised the people do wonders at the Admiralty, 9 .scertained the actual state withdraw from the matter at once than that they should be Id a d W 1 t hi h uld b 1 - bl tI I d an an aesw c wo e app Ica eore an . Low what were the real facts of the case. He had not, Government for his recal, but he believed that his retire- pot i c i ld 111,rhanentsnhf Canada 1: 0 4 1: t : 7 2 7A of the boat sat the Haslar slip? (Hear, hear.) H e s a id drawn into a proceeding which would be delusive from the Really I sappose that when my right hon. friend (Mr in the scale of chinfort and happiness, the home government far as he was at present informed, the slightest inten ment would be felt as a public calamity by the natives o . f ' 1 "" Great Indian Peninsula,- 1941 130/ 3,965 3,402 he hoped the case was not so bad as had been supposed. beginning. He would just remind the noble lord that M. Cardwell) proceeded to defer the second reading of tAe Re:. had thought proper to recal him, because he protested nit imputing any blame to the Board of Admiralty the Madras presidency. He might not have been a jude- Great Luxembourg l2l 122 2,505 2,414 Why, good God ! he surely aught to know the real stat e e s Thouvenel had said in one of his despatches that, in case of form Bill for Ireland, he did not answer this question on against a scheme which he believed to be impolitic. • Great Western of Canada 345 294 9,111 7,628 period when the vessels had been built • cious subordinate, but he had preved himself to be a wise , the case. In his opinion, it would do a great deal of g oo d the annexation of Savoy to Prance these provinces would be the former evenin,g • but then he did not understand what Sir C. WOOD said ho was not prepared by the notice of Lombardo-Venetian 285 285 - - IF- ' r, indeed, had he any information on which he to appoint one of the' Lords of the Admiralty to see that the given to Switzerland, and he (Mr. Griffith) onl expr esse d . • ' a simple question as to whether he had recalled Sir C Tre: governor. Lyons and Geneva . 142 142 4,657 6,269 was the course which the hon. and learned member for Cork &Ahcant 3g .2g 12,157 8,624 ild cast any serious imputation on these contractors. rest did their duty. (Laughter.) There ought at all the feeling of this country in the matter when ire asked th velyan for a speech on sub•ects . of sti h at •p i e Sir S. NORTHCOTE expressed his regret that the sub- 11l m adri a d An Sr%),•ossa - - iroramended. But . the hon. and learned memb . er must se . ° vat allowance must be made for the haste with which fot r o e w the n ho a n r . a g n e a n: jeet should have been brought forward at a time when no nnae7hern or - " a ratice events to be a complete system of inspection. The gun- noble lord whether he could give any assurance that th e t and therefore he should no j tattempt tO 1 at in such a case it would be necessary to withdraw this ord Norwegian Trunk • sse vessels had necessarily been conatructed. The can tl • la' eman in is remarks. The recal of Sir C. Trevelyan was papers had been furnished, and in the absence of L boats built by contractors were, it appeared, not the only arrangement would be carried out and that France w a uld bill and to bring in another. The chairman of committees Paris, Lyons, & Mediterrn Bg 84 4 4 69,84 - 3 88, - 199 kts had been taken up by houses of undoubted reputa • revel an. Stanley, who had appointed Sir Charles T y Paris and Orleans 922 922 47,075 51,599 J ones that were defective. The Government had built a not be allowed to occupy thOse p ' rovinces. (Hear, h a ear.) would naturally object to introduce provisions applicable to caused in no degree by the opinion which he expressed n, and there appeared to have been no suspicion at the Paris and Strasburg 1,032 1,016 - - with regard to the Government scheme of taxation, but Lord PALMERSTON said the Government had no certnin number under their own officers in their own yards THE REFORM BILL. Ireland into a bill for England and Wales. It is impossible Royal Danish 69 69 - - ne that they had not bebn faithfally carried out. Bat the Had those boats been satisfactorily constructed or not M SCULLY asked t . lie Secretany of State for Foreign therefore to propose such clauses as he recommends. Then simply by the act of publishing, he must say most impro- option except to convey their censure of Sir Charles Treve- severe and Meuse 6B 68 1,274 1,345 tement which had recently been made deeply affected the thern of France 777 773 117,927 16,278 He believed that they had not. The nation ought not to Affa i i % rs whether her Majesty's government would agree to we should find that questions with regard to the franchise perly and most insubordinately, a most important minute. lyan's conduct by immediately recalling him from his nta West Flanders blic mind, and had an important bearing upon the ques- be trifled with any longer. The contractors whoever they introduce provisions applicable to Ireland into the R havine been decided upon this bill we should have more No one could have a greater regard than he bad for that government. The course which that gentleman ought to W. and N.W. of France 712 7a 36,396 :40,391 a how far they could resort to the oontmct system in the epre- . e. . b. . d , . gentleinan both on üblic and rivate grounds but he have adoPted, if he found he could not agree in the policy might be, and the persons under whose direCtions the info- sent t' fth P 1 B'll lding of ships for the royal navy without endangerin amo her e .d e:p f : it i for England and Wales. The discussion on t , l 3 ie Ins bll d i e;e a r n ;hal we should discuss the C 0 U/1 7 Tit I' MARKETS.: thought that the house would agree with him that ' the cir- recommended by the Government of India, would have g rior boats built in the Government yards were con- hon zs ti3 v e ery eu general that there same question over an • wi l only add that thoae .4e public interest. Under these circumstance s it was ordY structed, ought to be brought to book. (Hear, hear.) Any was • no sincerit ga y l in the Lel g es cumstances of the ease were such as fully to justify him in. been to communicate with the Governor General, the bject of reform. It , hon. members who do not seem to be favourable to the bill LIVERPOOL--Meen 11. to the contractors in that case that the whole truth • ber that Legislative Council, or the Secretary of State. The only inquiry would, he knew, be attended with great difficulties, had been stated that if the house voted by ballot, there have only to take the course which is the direct course and the course he adopted. The house would remem uld be made known. He hoped, therefore, that his noble • • • • • • ' the Indian financial statement of last year showed a deficit explanation which could be offered for his conduct was, We had a fair attendance at this day's market, and the but there certainly ought to be an inquiry, and it should be would only be found two votes ' in favour of the noble rf they dislike the bill, to vote against it altogether. (Hear, ( c i onsumptive demand for wheat improved ; pricee at Tues ad would tell them fairly and fully what was the real made as searching as possible. (Hear, hear.) He hoped lord's bill-that of the noble l•rd himself and In b k h Wh t have done is to bri . ' bill 'h' 1 is ac er, ear.) . _ awe ng in a ,w lc of about £13,000,000, a,nd that for the present year a deficit that being honestly and sincerely convinebd of the correct ay's currencies. Flour neglected. Oats were in fair re-. dition of those vessels . ; whether it was true that they th a t th e hon. and gallant member for Chatham (Sir F. the hon member for Birmingha A 1 eh • dhi official of n 9,503,000. With a view of meeting this deficiency the ness of his views, he had voluntarily sacrifice s quest. Oatmeal the turn lower. Beans, peas, and barley au e .) But who we think ourselves, and which many hon. members of the wed signs of improper workmanship, and what steps the Smith) would adhere to his purpose of moving for a com- could say whether there would 1: 11, ( e even those two ? (Hear, house think, will be a useful measure. If. however, there Government last year proposed a license tax, which was position to accomplish that which he b . elie . ved to . be for the easier to buy. Indian corn neglected, at prices in favour of miralty had already taken or were prepared to take in • mittee, and that the members of that committee would not hear.) For his own part if he were charged with insincerity are hon. members who think it a mischievous and dangerous very soon modified into a quasi income tax, to which was public good. The act of insubordination which he had buyers. sequence of any discoveries they might have made. _ be content with the statement of witnesses, but go down he should plead guilty to the soft impeachment. He had bill, let them throw it out and take the responsibility on added a tax on tobacco. They invited the opinions of all committed might have entailed consequences of tho most WAKEFIELD -Meer 11. Ir. B. OSBORNE said he hoped the noble lord would and examine persenally every' one of the defective gun.- long since suggested to the Government the desirableness themselves. But to call it at one time a very small bill, the govemore of India, including, of course, the Governor disastrous character on our rule in India. They had Wh f• 1 fht • •• e ave a air suppy o w ea , . with a limited sale at , inform the house whether any officer connected with boats. Millions of money were being spent annually on the of havin k t • of Madras, with regard to those taxes In the course of strongly censured one act of Sir C. Trevelyan's public u one i . nform bill. Ile would rather have bad that there i s no thi ng at all in it, and then at another time . • , . rathee over last Friday s rates. Very little bnsiness in Majesty's dockyards had superintended the construction S' Ch 1 T 1 h d 1 1 • h t navy, and it was really disgraceful that the money should laws in fo the autumn the Governor of Madras expressed his opinion conduct, yet ir ae es rove yam a men s oo in eren English barley, and rather cheaper. Other articles were mmon with England than good laws which were to saY it is a dangerous and revolutionary Measure, this hose vessels, and had given any opinion with respect to have been so misapplied. He was told that th t broadly and distinctly against the imposition of those taxes, in his character to be overclouded and overshadowed by unchanged. e s ern of the pecnliar to Ireland. That might sound like a paradox but is a course which is net verY consistent, and not very r efficiency. , Princess Royal-a vessel which his noble and gallant friend the explanation would be very intelligible. If theY had ' had useful. I will bring the bill forward at a time when I ancl said that in his judgment no additional taxation was one single act. He (Lord Palmerstoa) concurred with - end C. PAGET said-I will follow the advice of my a, EXETER-Mar 11. ord C. Paget) kad himself commanded-on being recently laws in common with France, it was not llrel th tth ho 0 that 'man fears will have disap eared, and hon necessary, because the expenditure might be reduced within those who hoped that Sir Charles Trevelyan might in his .t hon. friend opposite, and I will state the truth, the y a ose With a tolerable attendance, the business to-day was taken to pieces, was found to have been originally con- bad laws would leb t 1 ted btl' h ' P b 'I y b able to sa ht h P •k h . the limits of the income. His hon friend wanted to know future career be useful to the public service, and do honour le truth, and nothing but the truth-(a laugh)-with d n ewha e t o s e e r e a , u i t ey had good laws, mem crs -en I then . e au _ what y th w e a t . ey thin s ould be firm at the following prices :- structed of very unsound timber. He had heard that in peculiar to Irela: urity had they that they would the proper francluse, d y think should be done. why the Government did not do wha ' t Sir C. Trevelyan said. to himself as well as be of advantage to his country. 'arneat, white.. 6s 9d to 7s Od I Barley.. 4s Od to 68 Od zl a t i o t these gunboats, as far as it is knoivn to us . at the There was a wonderful difference between saying and doing. (Hear, hear.) . every case in which a sailing line-of-battle ship was now not be converted into bad ones by a tyr • cal majority ?If They will also be able to state what course they think Ditto red 5s 3d to 5s 6d I Oats ..... .. 3s 6d to 3s 94 y. (Hear, hear.) The first duty I have to discharge being converted into a steam line-of-battla ship, the timber the house was insincere on th In tfthbl 1 d' h uld bd t d ith regard to the r distrib t' f t Before the financial measures of the Government were pre- THE FORMS OF THE HOUSE. Flour, fine, 40s to 41s ; aeconds, 38s to 39s per sack. . a this occasion is to alla y the anxiety which has been I T le t : z und e fr l e or et l i c i ) e hen. e: nc o i p e e arn ve u h r e m s:it s :3 (i pared, it appeared that the military expenditure of Madras, Mr. BOUVERIE said he rose to call the attention of . CATTLE. used in the process of conversion was unseasoned. The Ad- bill, what were the peo le ? leV l ed member for Ma: lebone e . d n b t y the apprehension that the whole of the gunboats miralty might tell them that they had no seasoned timber. put into his hand that P morning tre ' at the total num a le P e a r Pea' af to introduce a lod er franchise. That Y is a very fpairpfran- which had been estimated in the preceding year at less than the house to the manner in which the business was con- The attendance was good, and the market was moderately h yal navy are rotten and unfit for service. Up g •th t e 1 - • • £3 000 000 reached, according to a report of the accountant ducted. Last night the house, having gone into committee sulyl a i m ed ai :w a l u th fat stock. Wby had they not ? (Hear.) His hon. friend the member signatures which had been appended to petitions of an " y knin chute, and I assure him a propose will be carefully dm- ' ' ' 1 pply of pork carcases, at previous rates. e present time we have discovered that a certain number •on im osino• a license A , for West Noefolk (Mr. Bentinck) pointed out to the hous eon the subject of reform was only 90,000. (Hear.) There cussed by the Govenument with all the reasons that can be of the Madras gevernment, a sum considerably exceeding of was and means, passed a resoluti p e . Fat beef,p score, 10s6d to lb Ewes, per lb ....7id to Od been more or less decayed, and measures either have „, £4,000,000. Instead of the ex mull h; b efreshment houses, and that resolution having Perk do 9 the other day that there was neve • r a sufficient quantity of were only 9,711 in favour of the noble lord's bill, and only urged for and against the proposal. But whether they win. • p 1 ure nav-ng eeen reduced duty upon r . . carcases, sto lOs 6d ' Wethers, do-. .. 8d to 01 taken or are being taken for their repair. I will state It was exceeded by £1 500 000, and th ose w h o were respon _ been passed was, contrary to universal Practice end Preeee hhecp, Per lb. ..... Od to 71d. Fat cal ves , do.. ~ aid to ed well-seaeoned timber kt' th d rd Wh th t? two (signatures) in favour of the entire s h f b ep . m. e ockya . s. .y was a c eme of the adopt that franchise . or n . ot, Ido hope the house will go limber of those which have been repaired, but I am net as was usua sible fo ' ' - •hth h 'Oa t 1 r the finances of the country must be guided by facts dent, reported forthwit to e ouse wi ou , Rough fat. 44d ner lb_ S I 1 Id ure y i con no , e said that Parliament did not vote Government. (Hear, hear.) He did not think that the seriously into a constderation of the question, and come to esent able to give the house a correct es • te of the ex-. ._ _ . enou st fh f money. He . was fa! fro . m finding fault with the Ad- people of Ireland (who, by the bye, had petitioned more ' a conclusive decision upon it. rather than by statement. wan ... ae, e__ ___, _ s -- e --a- es' n' of the repairs, because the accounts have not yet been mir !Ler converhmg sailneg into steam line-of-battle ships numerouely in fay,,,,,.,,e ....e....._ 4.,_ _-, in. The noble lord the member for Cocke outh (Lord CATTLE. The attendance was good, and the market was moderately supplied with fat stock. A small supply of pork carcases, at previews rates. Fat beef,p score, 10s6d to lb Ewes, per lb .... 'ad to Od Pork carcases, do 9s to lOs 6d Wethers, .. 8d to 01 Sheep, per 1b...... Od to 71d Fat calves, do.. ~ sid to Od Rough fat, Ofd per lb. THE MAILS. MAILS DUE. Australia, Ceylon, and Mauritius (via South ampton) .. • • • • June 10. Do. (via Marseilles) June 4. Bahamas and Havana (via New York) .. .. June 7. Canada, &c. (via Cork) .. .. May 16. Cape of Good Hope, &c. .. • • • . June 1. 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