The Sun. — London, England, 1858-05-21 00:00:00

isisess dsf. LATEST NEWS. - Intelligence has been received from Constanti nople to the 12th. The P;tsse d'Orient announces that on the llth a loan of 60 millions of piastres had been obtained ; it is to bear an interest of 7 per cent., and with a commission of 2 per cent. Nine Greek firms had k übgeribed for this loan, which will be repayable, beginning with the month of J u l y. The Journal de Constantinople contains a corn inunicated note blaming in strong terms the specu lations which had taken place in the exchanges. The Bedouins of Damascus had pillaged the ca ravan to Mecca, and carried off, among other things, the presents destined for the tomb of the prophet. FRANCE. PARIS, THURSDAY. The Moniteur of yesterday announces that her tritannic Majesty has conferred twenty-one silver Modals on a s many French sailors for service ren dered by them, in the month of January last, on the coast of Calais, to the English merchant - ship 4 eel, wrecked on that coast. Also, a gold medal to Dr. Charles-Felix-Garasso, of Calais , in ac knowledgment of the care he bestowed on the only sailor of the Excel who survived the disaster. There will be an election on May 30 for a vacant seat in the Corps Legislatif for the department of the Orne. The Government candidate will be opposed. The Courrier du Bas Rhin announces that M. Ifligeou was elected a deputy to the Corps Legis latiff by 15,700 and odd votes to 14,350 given to M. Keller-Haas, the Government candidate. All hope of saving M. de Pane, the unfortunate person who was wounded in the late duel by the Sub-Lieutenant Hyene, is abandoned. It is found that the liver is pierced. The surgeons attending him report that he cannot live. BOURSE, May 20.—A general rally took place at the close of the market on a report that the English Cabinet had obtained a majority against Mr. Cardwell's motion. The following were the closing quotations : 4i per Cents 93 25 Do. end month — 3 Cent. ..... 69 70 Po. end month 69 75 Credit Fonder Belgian 44 Piedmontese (5) Roman 934 Austrian Spanish Threes Home Debt • -FoR CASH. •••• Waal • •.84 , Bank Shares...••- Credit Mobilier 680 Do. Account 6BO -- RAILWAYS.• Orleans Northern New Ditto 745 Lyon and Meditaran. 737 New Ditto •• Geneva Midi Western 555 Strasburg Grand Central Sardinian Austrian NORWAY AND SWEDEN. The Prince Regent opened the session of the Norwegian Stcrthing, at Christiania, on the 14th Instant. His Royal Highness commenced by an allusion to the disasters caused by the commercial crisis of last year, and from which Norway had not escaped : "The probability (continued the Prince) tbat the Treasury, the receipts of which are chiefly the produce of indirect taxes, will not be able in due time to meet the expenses enumerated in the Budget, and the IleCeSsity of adopting certain extraordinary mea sures to succour those branches of industry which are suffering, have inspired his Majesty with the wish of executing such measures, with the concert of the elect of the nation, as will be proper to satisfy the wants cf the moment. "His Majesty has full confidence in your patriotism and counts upon your active support to resist the pres sure of circumstances. "His Majesty learned with deep regret the misfor tune which has befallen the capital, as well as the com• mercial town of Mess. T" These conflagrations, of so frequent occurrence, im periously remand the introduction of reforms into the present regulations concerning the architecture of cities,, so as to shield them more efficaciously from disasters of this nature," In conclusion, the Prince Regent announced to Storthing that no favourable change had taken place in the state of health of his august father, the King. INDEX TO THE "TIMES." -- Who has not been wearied and irritated, at some time other Or other, in searching the file of The Sun, the Times, or :) daily journals , for some article or report of the mate o f w hi c h he h a d but a very indistinct notion 1 and h, ow often h a s the task been given up in despair ? At length an " Index to the Times" is announced, which promises to remove the difficulty in regard to the file of that journal altogether, and to ast.ist in tracing articles In other newspapers. Mr. Foster, the prujector, has, pe are informed, had great experience in the kind of labour necessary to produce such a work, and has been .13 11 aged on a leading London weekly journal for more than a quarter of a century. He has completed an i n dex 4 "q the Times from July 1,1857, to the present time. The laethod of working is this—in reply to an application, and Tor a very moderate fee, he will transmit, by post, the date, rage,. and column at which the article required will be i ° alld, if it has appeared in the Times, instead of west ‘l2g time and patience over huge newspaper files, the Person who has availed himself of Mr. Foster's aid, will 1 t once tu r n to the page where what he requires will be fo und. The idea is novel, capab'e of being worked at 40 411 outlay—printing the Index would be a costly affair for the public, by giving it a fair support, will insure or themselves the continuance of a work, the useful -4a as of which is undeniable, We may mention a fact ' l lustrativa of the utility of this work,—having occasion t o refer to a case pending in one of our law courts, and not recollecting the date, we challenged Mr. Foster to Prove the practical usefulness of his index. He referred to his index, and answered us by giving us the date, the Page, and the column of the Times in which we found what We sought, thereby saving, what to us is 1140t0 valuable, as much trouble and time, which, to a certain extent, is our capital. MARKET NEWS.—(This Day.) CORN EXCHANGE. Le quantity of English wheat on sale in to-day's 'get, coastwise and by land carriage, was very limited, t the general quality of the samples was good. Selected I..rcels were in fair request, and Monday's prices were well auPPorted. In other kinds only a moderate business was doing, at late rates. The imports of foreign wheat are 5,920 quarters. In most kinds the transactions were on a very moderate scale, at Monday's currency. Floating cargoes of grain off the coast were firm in price. Fine barley was scarce, and in steady request, at full prices. Grinding and distilling sorts ruled dull. Over '20,000 quarters of foreign have arrived. We had a dull trade for malt, and late rates were barely supported. Oats were steady, at fall quotations. Beans, peas, and flour supported Monday's currency. ARRIVALS THIS WESK. Wheat. Barley. ' Malt. 1,350 i 50 1,140 aglish .... Irish ........ Foreign ..... 1 5,930' 20,430 Oats. Flour, 30 880 720 -- 2320 sk.. 18,410 brls GENERAL AVERAGE PRICES OF BRITISH CORN Por the week ended May 21, 1858, made up from the Re turns of the Inspectors in the different Cities and Towns is England and Wales, per Imperial Quarter. "HEAT I BARLEY OAT& RYE' BEANS I PEAS 44 3 lid 359 Od 25s 81 35s 7d 40 3 93 421 ld THE SIX WEEKS' AVERAGES. ,InrIAT I BARLEY OATS I UTZ I BEANS 1 PEAS ‘441 id 365 Od 25s oa 3L5 61 395 10d 41s 9 ENGLISH GRAIN SOLD LAST WEEK iVbeat i - 111,226; barley, 10,899; oats, 9,362; rye, 21 ; beans, 4,618 ; peas, 447 quarters. NEWGATE AND LEA.DENHALL. The supplies of meat here today were rather extensive, The trade generally ruled heavy, as follows : Per filbs by the carcase. D. d. s. d. s. ti. s. , 1 a "r• InfOrior 210 3 2 Mutton, Inferior 3 0 3 2 .e middling 3 4 3 6 Do., middling 3 4 310 °. Prime large.. 3 8 3 10 j Do., priMe ...... —4 0 4 4 PII do. ge e 3 all ....3 10 4 0 1 Veal. 3 8 4 8 t s large . 0 3 6 I Pork. small 3 8 4 2 Lamb, 5s Od to Gs 2d. BOROUGH HOP. . 1 We continue to have a f uir but by no means active lietnand for all good and fine hops, the g rowth of 1357. In ferior kinds are a dull sale, bat not chaper. New Mid and East Kent Pockets, 70s to 11.2 s ; Weald of eat do., 54s to 665; New Sussex do., 50s to 60s ; Year quia's, 21s to 50s. COLONIAL. „, T EA.—The market continues very dull. slgott is quoted 10d to 100 per lb. "'"I- 1 1. —A very limited business has been done, and with the exception of the very superior sorts, prices have downward tendency. In the refined market grocers have con fined their op erations to immediate requirements, and Price ' are rath er easier. Brown lumps are quoted 54s and common tittlers 61s 61 per cwt. e "rEE.—There is a steady demand for the better q u alities of Pl an t a ti on Ceylon, at fully late quotations. -Na tive and oth er ki n d s were dealt iu to a very moderate extent at slightly reduced rates. ra l tl eE-The mark e t is very quiet, and at public sale lower rates were current for all qualities. R UB A fair amount of business has been done, and prises continue to be well supported. b e Sll " B .---The demand for most de-criptions of spices has ~,.4 41 inactive, and lower rates have in some instances been :tiajpted for pepper, pimento, and ginger. Cloves and ti re . e rg° brought about previous rates. aLTPITRE,—Very little business has been done, but to ," kee P remarkably firm A large parcel averaging _Aer cent. refraction sold about 36s per cwt. LLow.—There is rather more business doing and G le!!1_ 4 . Per cwtare firm. P . Y .C. on t h e spot i s now quo t e d Je deliv er y, 53 s 6d ; an d l as t th ree months, Common IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS.-(YESTERDAY.) The LORD CHA.NCELLOR took his seat on the woolsack at five o'clock. Lord 13ERNERS presented a petition from South wark, praying for an equal sation of poor rates. The Earl of HARDWICKE presented a petition, numerously signed, from Preston, praying that Oude might be restored to the native princes. The Earl of CARNARVON presented a similar petition. The Earl of CARLISLE presented a similar petition from Staleybridge. SECOND READINGS. On the motion of Lord REDESDALE, the East Sur folk Railway, Vanshail Bridge, Sufferance Wharves (Port of London), and Viscount Keith's Estate bills were read a second time. PROTECTION OF 'FEMALE CHILDREN BILL. The Bishop of OXFORD moved the third reading of this bill. The bill was accordingly read a third time and passed. STAMP DUTIES ON DRAFTS. This bill was read a third time and passed. DESPATCHES FROM INDIA. The Earl of DERBY—I think it right to inform the house that in the course of the morning we have received despatches of importance from India, containing, among other things, representations from Sir J. Outram, with reference to Lord Canning's proclamation, and also Lord Canning's reasons for issuing that proclamation. Under ordinary circumstances I should have thought it doubtful whether papers containing a discussion of matters of policy between two high officers of the Crown in India should be !ail before Parliament, but as they had al ready been laid before the Court of Directors, and as the course pursued by Lord Canning had been subjected to much comment, I think it would be most unjust to that noble lord if his own reasons in his own words for issuing the proclamation should not be given. I should have been glad to have laid the papers on the table this evening, but they are now actually being copied, and I hope to lay them before your lordships to morrow. Earl GRANVILLE said if the papers were laid on the table to-morrow, and the house should then adjourn immediately after, they would be of little use. He thought a motion for the production should be made, and thus the papers could be in the hands of their lordships early to-morrow. The Earl of ELLENBOROUGH—That course has fregmnitlyjnen adopted in this. house, and I think it absolutely necessary that those papers should be in the possession of the House of Commons before it conaes to the vote to-morrow. _ _ The Earl of DERBY—I am equally anxious that the House of Cimmons should have the papers before they come to a vote. I shall, therefore, move that copies of the despatches received from India containing the grounds on which Lord Canning issued the proclama• tion, be produced. I cannot mention the exact terms. The Earl of ELLENBORO UGH—I will supply the terms, because I have read the letters. They are the letters of the secretary of Sir J. Outram to the Governor- General, dated the Bth of March ; the reply of the se cretary of the Governor-General, dated the 10th March ; and the letter of the Governor-General's secretary, dated the 31st of March. The Earl of DERBY—I now move for the produc tion of those papers. The nac,tion was agreed to. Their lordships then adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS.—(YERT.ERDA.r.) The SPEAKER took the chair at four o'clock. NEW MEMBER. Mr. W. 0. GORE tojk the oaths and his seat for Leitrim. PRIVATE BUSINESS. The following bills were further considered, and or dered to be read a third time :—Ely Valley Rail way; and Selkirk and Galashiels The following IAII4 were read, and then passed : Andover Canal Railway ; Ballymena, Ballymoney, Cole raine, and Portrush Junction Railway ; Belfast and County Down Rail way ; Cnis wick Improvement ; Corris, Machynlleth, and River Dovey Tratnroad ; Dean Forest Turnpike Trust ; Luton, Dunstable, and Welwyn June tion, and Hertford and Welwyn Junction Railway Gan panies Amalgamation ; Taunton Water; Waterford Gas; and Windsor New Road. THE VOTE OF CENSURE. Mr. RICH gave notice that in the event of the reso lution of the right hon. member for Oxford (Mr. Card well), being carried he should propose the addition of the following :—" And that the house commending the temperate policy with respect to the Indian revolt, set forth by the Governor. General in the minute of the 11th July, and in his letter to the CoUrt of Directors of the 24th of December last, and which policy the directors in the letter to the Governor-General of the sth of May applied more especially to Oude, do confidently rely that the Governor-General will continue to exercise that firmness and humanity which under great difficuhies he appears hitherto to have exercised." (Hear, hear.) Mr. DUNLOP gave notice that in the event of the amendment of the hon. member for Swansea being car ried he should add the following :—" And this house confidently trusts that the Governor-General wil', in the spirit of the letter addressed to him by the ourt of Directors on the sth of May, pursue a general policy which, while it shall vindicate the established authority of the Indian Government, shall re-assure the people, encourage their speeds submission, and reeoncile.them to British rule." (Hear, and laughter.) OUDE. Sir D. NO R.REYS asked the late President of the Board of Control whether the late Government had determined on, and communicated to the Governor-General of India, the line of policy which in their opinion should be pur sued to wards the landowners of Oude when the fitting occasion should arrive for the publication of their policy ; and, whether the late proclamation fairly represented the views so communicated to the Governor-General I Mr. V. SMITH said her Majesty's late Government had come to no such determination, or communicated to the Governor-General of India the line of policy referred to, and of course that being so, the second part of the question required no answer. POSTAL COMMUNICATION BETWEEN LON- DON AND DUBLIN. In reply to Mr. H. REIMER; Mr. HAMILTON said no satisfactory progress had yet been made. In February last the Postmaster- General forwarded to the company the draft of a con tract which had not yet been returned to bim. It was in the hands of the Chester and Holyhead Company, and the cause of delay was Mr. Peto's (the chairman of the company) absence. There were difficulties in the way of carrying out the arrangements, which however would be removed by the passing of a bill now before Parliament. He believed the companies were naturally waiting for that bill to be passed. BARRACK KITCHENS. the Board of Control, to which allusion has been so fre quently made in debate. lam prepared to read that extract. It will, however, be necessary that I should first read an extract from a preceding letter, which is explanatory of the extract in question. It is as fol. lo as :—‘• Lord Canning, after giving his opinion as to what course ought to be pursued with respect to the mutineers, goes on thus : " The talookdars, landowners, and their followers, men who have not eaten our salt, who owe us nothing, who think themselves (not unreasonably) wronged by us, are in a very different category. I will proclaim for them a large measure of mercy ani indulgence after Lucknow is ours', but until that happens, or at least till Sir Cohn Campbell's guns have opened upon the city, I will not put out any public invitation to them. Individually, Mann Singh, and all others who show a disposition to come in, are being encouraged to do so. I consider this enough, and do not believe that mortal man could frame a procla mation of pardon to penitent mutineers which, if issued now to those in thick, would not be accepted as a sign of hesitation, and weakness, and so work us mora evil than good." (Loud cheers and counter cheers.) I will now read an extract from a letter of the 6th of March— " My letter by the last mail mentioned a proclamation which I intended to address to the Oade chiefs and land holders. It goes to you officially by this mail. I hoped that it would be accompanied by an explanatory despatch showing why it is in some respects so sweeping, and in others so indulgent, and defending it by anticipation (for it is sure to be attacked) on other points ; but I have had things more urgent pressing upon me for every hour of the past week. You will not, of course, print it until it has been acted upon ; at present it stands only as part of an instruction to Outram." (Ironical casters and counter cheers.) These are the pas sages in Lord Canning's letter to my right hon. friend ; but knowing that Lord Canning had al.o been in cor respondence with Lord Granville, his intimate friend, I thought it desirable to ascertain from Lord Granville whether be had received any communications from Lord Canning touching this proclamation, and whether he had thought them of sufficient importance to be shown to the Government. My noble friend Lord Granville wrote me, this day, the f die wing letter on the sub- ject : " In reply to your'questions respecting my private cor respondence with Lord Canning since the change of Ministry, I beg to inform you that the only letter of poli tical importance is one which I received on the 19th, and of which I read the greater part to Lord Ellenborough on the 20th of April. I did not real the whole of it for rea sons which I have stated in public, and which it is not necessary for me to repeat, but nothing of real importance was omitted. Every word relating to the proclamation was read, including the fact that General Outram had ob jected to its severity, and that Lord Canning had in conse quence added a sentence to the proclamation, which would make it clear that, though confiscation of proprietary right in the soil is the general penalty, restitution of it is the reward for coming in and behaving well. I was not cer tain of the date of my communication to Lord Ellen borough, but he has kindly referred to his papers, and has read to me a memorandum giving the exact date of it, and in which it is stated that he informed me that he had written to Lord Canning on the subject. Lord Ellen borough has stated that the secret despatch was written on the 18th, dated the 19th, and sent on the 26th of April, and bas intimated that no explanations or announcement of explanations would have altered his view of the neces sity of writing and sending his secret despatch. " GRANVILLE. by what he had done, it would noibecotne the house to follow s . o bad an example. (Loud Ministerial cheers.) Sir J. SHELLEY withdrew his amendment, and the Bill was read a second time. CHANCERY AMENDMENT BILL. This Bid was read ft third time awl plssed. MR. CARDWELL'S RESOLUTION. THE ADJOURNED DEBATE. Lord GODERICH then resumed the adjourned de bate, remarking that in the present position of the ques- , - tion it was of the utmost importance to keep clearly in view the issue raised. He hoped also that the house would not shrink from expressing an opinion on the re solution. The right hon. gentleman the Attorney- General for Ireland and others, had complained that the "P.S.—I have submitted this letter to Lord Ellen borough,_ who says that he thinks what I have written to you is quite correct." With Lord Granville's letter is a letter from Lord El. lenborough, which merely says : "My dear Lord Granville.—l think that what you have said to Lord Palmerston is quite correct. " Yours very sincerely, " ELLENBOROUGH." (Cheers.) Sir, I thought it reasonable, as so much in. terest has been excited in this house with regard to these explanations, to trespass on the indulgence of the house, and' hope that the house will think that I have only per formed my duty in making the statement. (Cheers.) Mr. BRIGHT.—As I trust that this unpleasant sub ject will not again occupy the attention of the house, I wish to put a question to the noble lord. We have heard to-night of two letters having been received by the late President of the Board of Control. Before to-night we have had no statement that there was more than one. (Hear, hear.) It bas been stated that for 10 weeks there was no communication of a direct character from Lord Canning to the Board of Control under the late President. DJ I understand the noble lord to tea the house that these two letters, received by the right hen. gentleman tl4e late President of the Beard of Control, are all the letters that Lord Canning wrote, either to him or to the Prima Minister, during those 10 weeks, referriug to public affairs in India ? If the noble lord or the right hon. gentleman had been frank enough to have stated the exact circumstances, we should have avoided very much of this painful digcussion. Lord PAL M ERSTON —The hon. gentleman was pro bably not in tl.e house a few days ago, when I gave an answer to a question on this eutject. (Liter, hear.) That answer was so far incorrect, that I said my right hon. friend had received three letters from Lord Canning, when in point of fact he had received four. The dates were February sth ; February 20th, an extract from which I have read to the house; March 6th, an extract from which I have also read ; and a short letter on the 17th of March, containing a communication on a mili tary point, whioh my right hon. friend sent to the Duke of Cambridge, who said he had received the same infor mation from Sir Colin Campbell. (Cheers.) Sir H. RAW LINSON—I wish to ask the ChancAlor of the Exchequer whei her he would have any objection to lay upon the table the despatches received to-day from Lord Canning relative to the Dude proclamation, so that they may be printed and in the hands of members to morrow' before the adjourned debate is resumed. (n ear. ) Tn. CHANCELLOR' of the EXCHEQUER— It they are to be printed, they shall be presented to the house in time for the debate to-morrow. I will give a more precise answer in the course of the evening. COUNTY FRANCHISE BILL. Mr. L. KING postponed the motion for the second reading of this bill until Thursday, June 2. COMMON LAW PROCEDURE ACT AMEND ' MENT BILL. resolution di.l not cull on the house to express an opinion on Lord Cowling's proclamation at the same time that it deprecated the despatch of Lord Ellen borough. He (Lord G)dericti) thought that despatch unjustifiable, because it passed an hosrile opinion on the proolamation in the absenc3 of sufficient information. When the papers recently adverted to were prottuced, Mr. ATHERTON moved the second reading of this bill. • THE OUDE DESPATCHES. that explanation would be forthcoming. He Utterly de- pled that the proclamation necessarily meant a whole sale confiscation of property in Gude. Such sweeping confi , cation would be utterly opposed to Lord Canning's previous policy. The taunt that this proclamation had emanated from the late Government had been given up, recalled. (Hear, hear, from the Liberal benches.) The best answer to the other taunt, that the proclamation was the offspring of Lord Canning's advisers on the spot, was the circumstance that the persons who were to carry out the proclamatio❑ were the secretary to the Government, Mr. Eclinonstoce, who was with the Go vernor-General at Allahabad, and Mr. Montgomery ; the previous acts of both of whom had shown that they fullyrec .gnised the rights of that village community. The hon. baronet the nienibr for Tam worth had spoken of the difference between the proclamations of Lord Can ning and those of Lord D Tne only differense between the two was, that Lord Dslhon-ie's proclatna- tions were prospective, and cuiternplated confi4cation in else rebellion should break out, wh ere as Lord Canning's proposed to deal with a rebellion actually raging. The reasonable prima finis interpretation to be placed on the proclamation wa; that off,:reCl by the right non. bart. the member for Hahill; namely, that Lord Canning wa4 pro- _ . posing to continue the course he was pursuing, but in which he was interrupted by the mutiny, and had taken advantage of the events which hal since occurred to en- able him to deal with the usurped rights of the Talook dare (Hear, hear.) The real question fur decision, how ever, was the despatch written by Lord Ed.nborough. Before approaching the melts- of that quilstlori,'lhe noble lord replied to some of the remarks ehich had f•dlen in the previous debate from the Attorney-General for Ireland, denying that the late President of the Board ~f Control (Mr. V. Smith) bad spoken the word im puted to him by the bon, and learned gentleman. lithe despatch was intended to bo secret, he sliced whether the Government really believed the Governor General In reply to Viscount EBRINGTON, General PEEL said that the report referred to in the first part of the question would be ready on Monday next, and it should be immediately after laid on the table of the house. Diff-rent cooking apparatus had been tried, aad as sown as the reports on them were sent in they should also be produced. It was the intention of her Majesty's Government as soon as a plan was finally agreed upon to have it adopted in all new bar racks, and means would be taken for providing for other means of cooking in the old barracks otherwise than by (Cheers.) CIVIL SERVICE SUPERANNUATIONS. intended a general coofi-cation of the property of the people of India ? If such was the opinio❑ of the Govern ment, they had committed a grave error in not recalling him. (Hear, hear, from the Conservatives.) On the contrary, they had not recalled 1.,-)rd Canning, but had left the entire responsibility of governing India upon his shoulders. The Government should either have re called the Governor-General, or have distinctly told him that his proclamation might bear a sinister construction, and that he was to continue in the course of mercy and toleration which had been the characteristic of his pa , t policy. (Hear.) It would have been far better if the Government had followed the example of the late Sir R. Peelon a kindred OCCWIOII, in proposing the course for the house to take in connection with a f miler proclama tion of Lord Ellenborough. (Haar, hear.) The question of were intended, as undoubtedly tuned to be the case, the pduebslpicaattcilionwahsahl been ighlyob g j i e v c 7l ioneul), b u t if p u bli ca ti on a able. Tae first part of the despatch referred to the conduct of Lord Canning, and the second to the annexation of Oude. What would the natives of India think of the disavowal by the Home Government of the whole of Lord Canning's policy with regard to Oede ? What would the army of India, of winch the Governor-General was the head, think of such a disavowal I But there was another aspect of the ques tion, which vitally affected the proceedings f the Go vernor-General. It was well known that one of the p ie o h lic L y 'r o ' f l C h a i n s i o n u g n t h r l y d i ne o n ° i v e In ) d rn i greatest the encroaching h • a. He had overcome that obstacle, but his opponents would gain fresh courage when they heard that his policy, on an important point, bad been disav owe d by the British Governmeut. (Chesre.) The Oude paragraphs in the de spatch were in the last degree reprehensible, for by them the natives of that country were told that their land was obtained by us by fraud, that the rule of their sovereign was not open to the censure which had been !sassed on it. A member of the present Government had stated be fore taking office that Oada ought to be given back again to its old rulers. (attar.) Was that his opinion still Was that the opinion of the collective Govern ment I The noble lord the member for London had well remarked that if one Government were to continue dis avowing the acts of its predecesasr in Tudia, calamity must befall our rule. This was a matter of immense gra vity which it was impossible to aggravate, and if they wished to defend an empire which their anceetore and contemporaries had conquered, they ought to pronounce their censure on such dangerous doctrines as were con tained in the proclamation and the despatch. He might almost stop there, for he was content to east the vote he was going to give on the peragrephs of this despetch, but he found the motion was to be net by an amendment which was to be supportee by the Gov ei nment (Cheers.) Tne amendment was harmless enough in itself. It ex pressed a great deal of truth which most could admit, but it also partook of the metteneT the Lords, when the Lord Ceencel , or met a similar vote of censure by the previous question. (Hear, hear.) The amendment stated that the policy of Lord Canning in Dude, and the pro clamation referred to, was worthy cf the confidence and approbation of tho House of Commons, though they had not sufficient information on which to form an opinion (elpeers)—notwithstanding it was te the interest of the Government to give all the information they possessed with reference , to it, whether it told is favour or against them. The Government, however, had pronounced a censure upon Lord Canning's policy without informs tion, and they were going to get rid sf a direct censure on their conduct by adopting an implied one; but be thought the house would not arrive atsnch an important conclusion. (Hear, hear.) Hon. mer4ere on the Minis terial side of the house said the real questioa, a 3 raised by the right hon. gentleman the member for Oxford, was between pursuing a policy of clemency and a policy of cruelty. kffear, hear, and cheers.) Ile was not there to defend a revengeful p eicy or a tyrannical or cruel rule, but to ask the house to deal fairlyand justly to the man who, in a tremendous crisis, and in the midst of the greatest dangers and alarm, had almost alone amongst his countrymen in India resisted the cry of blood. (Loud cheers.) L ord Canning had thrown the whole weight of his influence and aathority against those who had clamoured fur indiscrimirate justice, and be (Lord Goderich) was here to defend e clemency Can ning," a name which ho (Lord Goderich) looked upon as conveying the highest pen Dee title of botour upon Lord Canning. (Cheers.) But what did eertlemen on the Ministerial side of the house mean when they spoke of a revengeful pacy 1 He had heard maae suggestions as to the ceurse teat ought to be pursued towards the re bels and mutineers. It bad been said teat every man taken in areas againstus ought to be put tr death, except a few who should be reserved for a worse punishment than that, and feat he had reason to thick was the po licy gentlemen on the other silts of the hose approved. (Opposition eheete and `cries of "no, no, from the Mi nisterial benches ) if hon. ineurbere on the Ministerial side of the house disapproved a this< polio", he refereed them to a, recent speech of Lord Derby's in another place, in which that noble lord had laid dawn that cer tain of the Indian rebels should be reserve( for a worse punishment than death—viz., by keeping ',hem in con finement, and make them drag out an existence less pre ferable than death. (Hear, hear.) Tnat might be the ministerial policy, but it certainly was not the policy of the Opposition. r (R ear. ) T o t h a t th e y oppose d L ar d Canning 's policy contained in her orders issued in July, and asked that due consideration for him which the ext. geocies of tee case demanded. They vitro, however, called upon to deckle a question of greater importance than the interest of an individual, viz., whether they should appreve of, or condemn the course that had been taken by the G vernment in censuring the Govereor- General in the midst of a [Ante of things existing in India that was likely to endanger the safety of that empire, and inevitably multiply the =spied] difficulties the Go yernor-Generel had to encounter, and leave him to meet them with his hands weakened. (Hear.). The course the Government had pursued led inevitably to the conclu sion that her Meje.teee Government were ready to reverse the arrangement whinh had become a part of the po li c y of that cou n t r s ettled Y. and abandon provinces of our Indian emp ire whi ch , as Ministers of the Crown it was their duty to retain. (Rear.) He had heard it said on the other side of the house that every man taken in arms against us in India ought to be put to death, or reserved for a worse fate (m urmurs). Was that the i r policy, o r was it not (nn, no.) They disapproved of then,it, ? " in every stiles," (cheery, and counter cheers). He himself had heard a noble lord in another place deli berately reeernmendthat policy,and a right hon. and learned gentlemen in that hothe (no, no, and "read"). Well, be would read the remarks of the noble lord to whom he referred. They were as foflews "But for every ono who fought against us, or who treacherously joined the ranks of our opponents, whether soldiers or not—for them, if taken in arms against us, there is but one righteous penalty, and that is death (cheers from the ministerial benches). But for those miscreants, who perpetrated upon the booties of our women and chil dren atrocities and horrors over which human nature sickens, and the veil of decenoy must be drawn, who have been guilty of unimaginable atrocities against human nature—for them death is too slight a ptinishment. What punishmen t, what terror, can death inflict upon them, when one man who . was about to be blown from a cannon's m outh —behoving that a short and sudden death would put an end to hie s u ff er i ngs —tells you that he dies rejoicing in this, that with his own hand he slaughtered three or four of Your countrymen and country women. For such men death is no punishment. They should have the heavier doom inflicted upon them of protracted life, of life with the brand of Cain upon their brow, denoting their offence, lest any man slay them. Severe, degrading, painful corporeal punishment should be their lot. Hopeless, constant slavery should be their fate. Condemned to the most degrading occupations, be they Brahmins of the highest caste they should be the slaves of the lowest pariah; and in chains and in hopeless bondage they should drag out an existence to which death itself would be a relief they should vainly pray for—a terror to those who may be tempted to share in their guilt —an object of contemptuous execration to those whose feelings in the tenderest points they have outraged." (Cries of "Hear, beer," from all sides Of the house ) That was the pr 1 cv r commended by the Earl of Derby. An Hon. MEMI3E ft—Yes, for mutineers. (Cheers.) Lord GODERICII—The noble lord (the Earl of Sir J. V. SHELLEY wished to ask the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether he would undoubtedly lay the despatches from India upon the tah!e to-night. (Cries of "Order.") The SPEAKER intimated that the hon. gentleman was not in order in putting a question unless it were relevant to the bill before the house. Sir J. V. SHELLEY. moved the adjournment of the debate, in order to put himself in order. It was im• portant to understand whether these papers were to be immediately laid before the house, or whether there was any reason why they should not be in the hands of members. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER. —I theug;ot that my answer was sufficiently clear. (Hear.) The hon. gentleman must remember that when papers of importance are sent home and received there are many e!rcumstaaces which a Minister mast consider be fore he can promise to place them on the table. (Cheers.) He has to consider not only the public interests, but the feelings of private individuals and their friends. All that I undertook was, that if they were presented to Parlia ment—a nd on that point I did not give an opinion—l would take care that they were presented in time to be in the hands of members to-morrow morning. (Cheers.) Lord J. RUSSELL—I cannot but think that the question of my hon. friend was perfectly reasonable, because it is understood that papers have been received in tbis country, some of which contain observations against the proclamation issued by Lord Canning, and others contain his own views on that proclamation. There may be remarks affecting individuals' and state ments that ought not to be published, but Ido not con ceive, while we are still carrying on a great debate in which it is admitted that we are not in possession of the grounds on which the Governor-General acted, that it would be right for the Government totally and entirely to refuse the publication of those papers. (Cheers.) I think that whatever may be the modifications which the right bon. gentleman may make, he cannot but agree to the production of the papers which ought to be in ours possession. Mr. VANSITTART asked whether there were any other letters received from Lord Canning relative to the Oude proclamation before those mentioned by the noble lord. Lord PALMERSTON—I have stated that there were Sir H. WILLOUGHBY was sure the noble lord (J. In reply to Sir J . ELPHINSTONE, Mr. HAMILTON, in the temporary absence of the Chancellor of the Exchequer, said that a measure was being prepared on this subject, and he hoped it would be introduced shortly after the Whitsun holidays. Mr. GLADSTONE asked if the recommendation for the adjustment of salaries would be embodied in the proposed bill, or form the subject of a separate one. Mr. HAMILTON declined to state the purport of any portion of the proposed measure. HARBOURS OF REFUGE. Mr. MACARTNEY asked the chairman of the Harbour of Refuge Committee (the member for Devon pork), what had caused the delay in furnishing the draft resolutions, as promised by him to the committee at their last meeting on the 19th day of April ; and whether there was any probability of their being delivered to the several members previous to the recess. Mr. WILSON said the reason of the delay arose from the importance of the interests involved. He hoped to have the draft ready in a fe .v days. NEW ZEALAND. In reply to Lord A. CIICTROHILL, Lord STANLEY said the governor of New Zealand had no power to repeal an act of the Legislature of that colony. A proclamation was issued some time ago, which imposed severe restrictions on the sale of wines ; but it had been found to increase the evils of the contraband trade, without being effective for the pur poses intended ; and recently the governcr of New Zea land had issued another proclamation, removing some of the restrictions, subject to the approbation of the Government. THE 21sT REGIMENT OF BOMBAY NATIVE INFANTRY. Mr. DILLWYN asked the Secretary to the Board of Control whether any account had been received by the Board relative to the suppression of the mutiny and the disarming of the 21st regiment of Bombay Native Infantry at Kurrachep, in September, 1857. Mr. H. BAILLIE said it was quite true her Ma jesty's Government had received intelligence of the mutiny referred to, and the disarming of the 21st Regt. of Bombay Native Infantry at Kurrachee, and he was at a loss to know how it happened that it did not appear in the Gazette. In justice to the officers, whose merito rious conduct had been called to the attention of the Commander• n-Chief in India, he (Mr. Baillis) read a letter from the Adjutant• General to Sir Celia Campbell. OFFENCES AGAINST THE PERSON— LAW REFORM. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL gave notice that be should, on the 3d of June, ask for leave to intro duce a bill for consolidating the law relating to offences against the person, and also six other bills for consolidating certain acts of parliament. The learned Attorney-General also gave notice of a series of other bills he intended to introduce for consolidating the law. LORD CANNING'S PRIVATE CORRESPON DENCE. Lord PALISERSTON—I have to ask the indulgence of the house for a few moments while I make a state ment which, I think, carries out a wish expressed by the house on a former occasion. The house was anxious to become acquainted with certain passages in Lord Can ning's letter to roy right hon. friend the late President of Russell) would not be an advocate for laying papers on the table without due consideration. The houee had only .jut learnt a lesson nn that subject. (A. laugh.) The Chancellor of the Exchequer would neglect a public duty if he did not take cars that these papers were not laid without due consideration. Lord J. RUSSELL—I did not say that doe conside ration ought not to be used. I only meant to Fay that the papers oueht not to be totally refused. (Hear.) Mr. SCOTT said, that the despatches received by the right hon. gentleman (llr. V. Smith) related to the pre sent subject of debate. They appeared to be a continua tion of other despatches that had previou-ly arrived, and it was, therefore, only fair to the house teat the noble lord (Palmerston) and the right bon. gentlemen (dr. V. Smith) should give the house those parts of these letters that related, not to private, but to public affairs, so that they might be laid on the taqe at the same time as the despatches of the Governor-General just received. Lord PALMERSTON said that if he received any despatches he should be very happy to produce them. (" Oh !") Mr. MILES said that the noble lord the member for the City of London had entirely misunderstood the an wets' of hie right hon. friend (Mr. Disraeli). It seemed perfectly clear that a Minister of the Crown would not promise to lay them i:nmediat• ly before the house. (Hear.) His right hon. friend said that if he could pro duce them they should be in the hands of members to morrow morning. (Bear, hear.) Mr. AYRTON wished to point out the extraordinary course which was being pressed upon the government. The motion was made to exclude from consideration the cause and the consequences of the proclamation ; but now there was a wend _rf el desire to have both the cause and the ceusequencee considered. (Hear, hear.) If the mover of the resolution wished to go into those ques tions he should do so honestly, by amending his motion. (Cheers from the Ministerial benches.) Why not ask for all papers, and demand either the approval or condom naion of the proclamation , (Hear.) Let the right hon. • gentleman take that course or abide by that into which 1 ' e had fallen—viz., of considering the despatch apart Boon the question which it raised. Though it might be come the right hon. gentleman (Mr. Cardwell) to abid e THE SUN, LONDON, FRIDAY EVENING, MAY 21, 1858. Derby) said for all who had joined in the mutiny. I away all proprietary rights in the kingdom of Oade, An Hon. MEMBER (from the Radical benches) have t it he te eo - t iebld um withbi e these laud b aren cultivatorsu l results—that the b bu a t there vte hr e tvi sl l eo l ni b lt e 7 n (fh leobanoid) —n l i y aod c"n- Treacherously d j o i ne d. (H e ar, and cheer-.) - n • labned divided ofOude into, and tw of o Lord GODERICH—That might be the policy of hon , members on the Ministerial side of the house. It was that the whole produce o f the i not that of the OppositiOn. (Cries of "Hear, hear.) He the ndustry of its _people, w ill should conclude by saying that he would not wriggle most unequal - port-iane ; the largeeshare will go to the out of the question that was fairly before the house by No per w this dayw is the i l l Government in the shape of t ax , an d the Brim lar vot ng for the amendment of the hon. member for Swan shoatrc,,tbet,,hoinchl ti v w jo l rboef the e s handful eil. (aoefa (H ice ear.) sea, and he should therefore support the resolution of a his right hon. friend the member' for Oxford. (Great Indian system. It is the. grand theory o f t h e c i v i lians cheering from the Opposition.) under whose advice I very much fear Lord Canning has unfortunately acted ; and you will find in many parts of Mr. BRIGHT—I am afraid that lam hardly able to I n d ia, espec i a ll y i n th e P re sidency of Madras, that the take part in this discussion in a manner becoming the p opulation consists entirely of these humble cnitivatore, magnitude of the question, or in any degree in accord- tied that the Government stands over them with a ante with the anxiety I have long felt with regard to screw, which is perpetually turned, leaving the handful Indian affairs. I happen, however, unfortunately and of rice a day to the ryot, and transferring all the rest cf theproduce of the sod into the exchequer of the accidentally to have been mixed up with this matter, and I India East Company. Now, I believe that the proclamation my name has been frequently referred to in the course of sanctions this policy, and I believe further, that the re the debates in this and in the other House of Pa r li a m en t, I solution which the right hon. gentleman asks the house and lam therefore unwilling to sit still and vote without to adopt sanctions that proclamation—(hear) — that it expressing my opinion to the house. (Hear.) In the first i w n i fi d n, b n e e s e o in Id a a s n d I t b h e a l t iev w e ha it tev w e i r ll m b a e y b o e the the place I may, perhaps, be allowed to say that almost proclamation itself, the statement that this, the highest everything which has been said or imagined with regard court of appeal, has pronounced in favour of Lord Can to any part whiclel have bad in bringing on this discus- fling's policy aill be one of the most unfortunate deela sion has been altogether erroneous and without any rations that ever went from the Government of India to the people of that country. (Cheers.) Let me, then, foundation whatever. (Rear, hear.) There was no for one minute—and it shall be only for one minute — arrangement whatever between the hon. gentleman the draw the attention of the house to our pecuniary deal- Secretary to the Board of Control and myself with re- ings with Oude. A friend of mine has extracted from a gard to the question which I thought it my duty t o put book on this subject two or three facts which, as we are to the Government on the subject of Lord Canning's considering t e policy of England towards this afflicted proclamation. I bad some time before spoken to the hon. c }untry, I ehoul i like to read to the house. It is stated gentleman on the subject, because I bad been i n f orme d that under the government of Warren Hastings up to by Mr. Dickinson, a gentleman who has an extensive the arrival of Lord Cornwallis, in 1786, the Best India correspondence with India, that some proclamation of Company obtained from the King of Oude, and therefore this character was in preparation and was about to be from the industry of the people of Oude, the sum of issued, and when I spoke to the hon. gentleman upon 9,252,0001. Under Lord Cornwallis they received the subject he told me that he llad no information with 4,290,000/. ; under Lord Teignmouth, 1,280,0001. ; and regard to it, and I told him then that if anything of the under Lord Wellesley, 10,358,0001. This, I ought to siert took place I should put a question to the Govern- say, includes the acquisition of the Doab in 1801, in ment on the subject. That conversation took place three lieu of a subsidy, the revenue of that district being weeks before I put the question which I did put to the 1,352,000/. Comitig down to 1814, there was in hon. gentleman, and when I read the proclamation in that year a loan of a million, in 1815 a loan of a the newspapers I came down to the house, not having million, in 1816 a loan of a million, in 1825 a loan seen the hon. gentleman in the meantime.. (Hear.) On of a million, in 1826 a loan of a million, in 1829, my way down I met my hon. friend the member for 600,0001., and in 1838, 1,700,000/. S ome o f th em are Stookport, and he told me that, having read the procla- loans, and in one case the loan was repaid by the ce.sion mation in the newspaper, and knowing my intentions of a portion of territory, which the Company in a very upon the subject, he had t if the hon. gentleman the few years, and under an excuse which I should net like Secretary to tkie Board of Control that be thought that to justify, reannexed, and therefore the debt was virtu in all probability I would put a question to him upon ally never. repaid. The total of all these sums is the subject. 'I came down to the house and put m y 31,503 3 0001., to addition to which the people of Oade question, and the answer which I received is before the base paid va.t amounts in salaries, pensions, and email house and btfore the country, and I confess that I did manta of every kind to the Company's servants in the not think that we were going to lose a week from the employment of the Government of Oade. Now, I am di-cession of the Indian r-solutions on aec 'ant of that not going further into details, but I silty that the history q leetion. (Rear.) As regard the question before the of eur connexion with the country whose interests we house I should have been content to leave it as it was are now discussing is of such a nature that• it oeght, t o when the hon. area learned Selicitor-General eat down— wake us pause before we consent to any measure which ;hall fill up the cup of h,jury which we have presented (near) —and I think that then the house might very well have come to a vote, (Hear.) I could not but coin- to the lips of the people. (Caters.) Two years ago we pare the speech of the how and learned gentleman with oeposed the sovereign of Owie. Everything that ne had that of tbe right hon. gentleman the member for Oxford. was seized ; much of it was sold. Indignity and wrong (Loud cries of "Hear.") I thought that the right hoc- were offered to his family, as the governors of that curable member for Oxford tacked together a great kingdom. I have heard some hon. gentlemen speaking many very small matters in an attempt to make up from this side endeavour to persuade the house that some great case, and it appeared to the that he ad- this confiscation policy only intended that we should dressed the house in a manner which indicated receive the taxes of Oude (hear, hear) ; but that is a tbat he himself was not perfectly satisfied with the delusion ; it is a statement so ab urd that lam anto• course which be was pursuing—(loud cries of " Hear, aished that even hon. members who support this w hew ")—for I think that if '''ha had been stimulated tion should offer it to the house. (A laugh.) In 1856, by the sense that he was undertaking a groat public duty when you dethroned the King of Oude, you stepped he would have delivered a more lively and impressive into his place, you becatae the recipients of all legit:- speech. (Rear, and a laugh.) Now, the speech of the mate national taxes ; and now, havlng seized the hon. and learned Solicitor-General—and I think that 500,000/ a-year, the revenue of that country, under a every gentleman who beard it will agree with me—was solemn treaty con - aining a clause that if there was any closely logical and appeared to exhaust the arguments surplus revenue it should be put to the credit of the which might be used; and I have nut spoken to any one kingdom of Oude, end having, contrary to the treaty, who will not admit that speech was a complete answer applied that surplus to the general purposes of India, to all that is at all serious in the charge now brought you descend below the rank of the king, and to every against the Government. (Cheers.) The motion now be• tatookdar, to every landowner large or small, to every fore the house is important considered in two aspects— man who has a proprietary right in the soil, to every in the Arra place, as affecting the interests of party at man but the smallest, the humblest capitalist who culto horns—which some persons, perhape, might think the sates it—to all these you say, in language which cannot most important; and, in the second place, as to the be mistaken, "Come down from the independence and effect which will be produced upon the minds of the pen. dignity you have hitherto et jeyed. As we have done pie of India by this discussion and the division about to in other provinces in India we shall do her,: Two. take place. Now, let us beer in mind that the great bulk fifths of you have not been mixed up iu this war, of the native princes, whether, under or not. subject to but in this general confiscation innocent must English rule, are not very likely to correctly understand suffer with the guilty, for such is the fortune of what is the result of any cabal or political conspiracy. war, and such is the misfortune which we are about to (Clear.) They knew nothing of Individuals here, and inflict upon you." (Cheers.) If this be not a procla-na those "loud cheers" which in a debate excite us so much tion of unheard of severity, how comes it that so many here are nothing whatever to them. The question which Persons have protested against it? Does any man in they will ask will be, what is the opinion of the Parties the world believe that the noble lord the member for the went of England with regard to the policy announced the West Riding understands this proclamation better than the high military authorities whose opinions have in the proclamation of Lord Canning—(oheers)—and I complain, and I think the house has a right to complain been quoted ? (Cheers.) Does he suppose that the Hon o that the resolution of the right hon. gentleman carefully of Commons veal take his authority upon a matter of avoids that question. (Rear, hear) The noble lord the this kind before that of the united press of India? (Cries member for the West Riding says that he does not want of Oh, oh 1 and cheers.) I dare eay hon. members have to meet the matter by a side wind or a side blow, but nut read anything in the newspapers of India upon the that he wishes to deal with it in a direct mermen Now, subject. Some of them applaud the proclamation be what can be lees di re ct th an the resolution itself 1 cause, they say, that at one fell swoop it does that (Rear, hear.) And that it is so has been proved by the which has taken us 20 years to do in other districts— fact that through the whole course of the debate it destroys every man who can influence the people of every a rime@ argument which has been used, every the country against the British rule. Others say that it serious feeling which has been tipressed, has had re- is a proclamation of such a character that it must cause femme° to the character and nature of the proelanna- war to the knife against the English name in Oude, acd tion, and not to those little matters which have been that the Governor-General who issued such a document mixed up with this great question. (Hear.) No one, ought to have been prepared with a new army at his I believe, defends the prorearnation. (Hear.) All that back in order to enforce it. (Hear, hear ) The right has been done is to endeavour to show that it was not hon. gentleman the Attorney-General for Ireland re rightly understood by those who censured it as announ. ferred to what was said two or three weeks ago by the cling a policy of confiscation. In.fact we are asked to him and learned member for Devonport (Sir E. Perr}). believe that it means something which it does not, say, I will call the house to witness whether, when, in an and that it does not mean that which in the English ewer to my question which brought out this desparath, language it distinctly states. (Haan) The right hon. the Ciiaieestier of the Exchequer said that with reepec; gentleman asks the house to do that which appears to to the policy of confiscation—for that is the only thing be an absolute impossibility, for he wants us to con- in tee proclamation about which there is any dispute— demn the censure without expressing any opinion as to the Government disavowed it in every sense,—l call the the policy of the proclamation. Now, I do not believe Louse to witness whether every gentleman present dawn that the right hon. gentleman, although he has unfortu. here (below the gangway) did not cheer that sentiment. stately been led into this movement—(loud cheers)— (Cheers ) Why, of course, every men cheered it. They wishes the house to pronounce an opinion in favour of would nut be men, they would not be Englishmen, they the principle of confiscation. (Renewed cheers.) No wools not he English legislators, if they not done so. man, I believe, would wish us to pronounce that opinion Teey would be men who had never beard what was just —(near)—but if we pronounce now a decision against anti right if, at the very instant they heard the de that censure, I ask any man whether it is poseibie that claration of the Government, every instinct within the people of India can form any other opinion than them did not compel them to an enthusiastic assent. that the House of Commons is favourable to tee prin. (Hear, hear.) It was only when the fatal influence of ciple of the proclamation (Rear, hear.) With regard party—(theirs)—and the arts that party knows how to to the publication cf their censure by the Government, employ—(renewed cheerine)—were put in motion that I can only say that it is remarkable how men can turn hon. gentlemen began to discover that there was some round upon that which they themselves formerly pro- thing serious and dangerous in this memorable despatch. fessed. Upon this side of the house hon. gentlemen h av e Now, I would ask the house—because that is the gees ofteu complained that the secrecy of the-Foreign-office tien—are we prepared to sanction tee policy of that and of other departments has been the cause of the despatch f lam sorry that it did not occur to me until • greatest possible mischief—(hear)—and will they now after the amendment now before the house was proposed, say that the publication of their censure by the Govern- or I would have moved an amend :rent expressly on went was a very high crime and misdemeanour? (Hear.' that point; because I feel—l speak it without the Wby, surely, hon. gentlemen below the gangway upon slightest reference to the influence it way have on any this side of the house ought to regard it with some de- party in this house—that it is of the very highest cm grey of sympathy as leaning rather to the side of virtue. sequence tbat whatever decision we came to shall be in (Hear.) Now, with regard to the language of the de- capable of any misinterpretation when it arrives in spatch, why any Government or any Minister might be India. We have been treated to a good deal of eloquence censured if we chose to take up every word of every de- upon the manner of the despatch, and I must say a word spatch. (Hear.) Some men are more strongly lin- or two upon that point. Tne noble lord the member for pressed than others, and write with stronger feeling . , Land.tn has fallen into the (-riser committed by mo-t of and 1 for nay own part like persons to write and speak the speakers in favour if the reeolution—the error in a way that they can be understood. (Laughter namely, of treating some of the outside circumstances of and hear, hear.) In my opinion the motion the case a s if they were the case itself. (Rear.) He before the House is a disingenuous attempt to lead the did not &tate that there was a single word in the de- House into a very unfortunate dilemma, and I think spatch which was not true—(hear, hear) —although he that no judicial mind will deny that by voting for the did express what I thought was a rather immoral eenti• resolu ion we are acknowledging the policy of the pro- went for so eminent a statesman. (Alaugh.) Toe until. clemation—(Ns, no, and bear. hear)—and that is a step lord told us that after a great crime had been committed which will produce an effect which may be very dan- men in office were never to let it be known or sueptcied gerous in the winds of the population of India. (Hear.) that they thought it was a crime. (Cheers.) I now came to the real question, namely, the policy of LordJ. RUSSELL —no hon. gentleman is mistaken; confiscation as announced in the proclamation. (No, I never said anything of the kind. no, and hear.) There are certain, things upon which I Mr. BRIGHT—I did not hear the noble lord, but I think we are all agreed, and one of them is that the read his speech, and I can say positively that many people of Oude are enemies, but they are not rebels. friends of mine, not members of this house, have come to (No, no, and hear o hear.) No, no I Why, I thought the same unfortunate conclusion' as myself. The noble that I understoood that those persona who blame Lord lord, however, did not say what I have just told the Ellenborough are of opinion that be would not have house, but what he did say was, that there was a great been deserving of blame if he had written a despatch deal of sarcasm and invective in the despatch, and he like that of the Court of Directors. (Rear, hear.) read a passage to show that such was the case. Bat Well, in that very despatch the principle is laid down the fact is a good deal depends upon the reading. (Hear, that the people of Oude are not rebels and ought not to hear.) I could read a despatch of the noble lord in be treated as rebels, but enemies ; and if so, then we such a manner as to astonish tbe house with its have no right to treat them otherwise than the law of concealed irony and sarcasm. (Laughter) The noble nations indicates. Will the house accept that proposi- lord, if I ana not mistaken, told the house that if tion ? (No, no, and hear. hear.) Very well, hon. gen- the despatch were a proper despatch to be sent out to tlemen who will not accept it cannot be included by the India Lord Canning was not fit to occupy the meanest noble lord the member for West Riding in the list of official situation. Now, Indian despatches have never those in favour of the policy of clemency and concilia. been very gentle. I have read over and over again in tion. (Loud cries of hear, hear.) I am certain that Mill's filisiory despatches sent out by the President of the people of England will accept that definition—(hear, the Board of Control and the Court of Directors, and I bear)—l am certain that civilised Europe will accept it ; have often thought that they were written in a tone and lam equally certain that history, which will record rather, more authoritative and dictatorial than I should this debate, will accept it as one which no man claiming myself be disposed to use or pleased to receive. (Hear.) to be a statesman, a moralist, or a Christian can pos- The explanation is obvious. In old times the magnates sibly escape. I now come, and ou that point I will be sitting in Leadeohall-street were writing, not to Lord as brief as possible—to the question, what is the mean- Canning or men of that altitude, but to merchants and ing of confiscating the proprietary rights in the soil? agents whom they bad sent to India, who were entirely We have heard from a noble lord in another place, and dependent upon them, and to whom they could say just it has been statel in the course of the debate here, that what they liked. The consequence is, that their des this sentence of confiscation refers only to certain un- patches for 100 years had l• chat acter for severity and pleasant persons who are called talookdars, who are arrogance which I think might now well be dispensed barons, and robber chiefs, and the oppressors of the with. (Hear, hear.) Still, that is a matter to be taken people. (Hear, hear.) This ia by no means the first time into consideration when many of us are disposed not that after a great wrong has been committed the wrong- only to pensure Lord Ellenborough, but to dethrone a doer has attempted to injure by calumny those upon Government because a despatch has not been written whom the wrong has been inflicted. (Rear, hear.) Lord precisely in those gentle terms which we think ought to Shaftesbury, who is a sort of leader in this great war, be etnployed in a document addressed to the Governor has told the world that this proclamation refers only to General of 'mina _(llear, hear.) But the noble lord 600 persons in the kingdom of Oude. Let us take hire the member for London ought to be very ferbeariug, in upon his own terms. The kingdom of Oude ha• astuuch as he lives in a house as brittle as that of any or 5,000,000 inhabitants, about one-sixth of the population us. (Cheers and laughter.) When the noble lord takes of the United Kingdom. Applied to the United King- his pen in his band it is imporwitele to say what he w ill dom in the same ratio, this population would affect send forth to the public. (Laughter.) I have known 3,600 persons. In both Houses of Parliament there are the noble lord to w r ite an e xtraordinar y letter, which he probably 700 landed proprietors ; it would, therefore, be doubtless inten d ed to be very prope r in its phrase°i ogee an edict of confiscation to landed proprietors in the to a bishop. (Renewed laughter ) lannot anxious to United Kingdom equal to five times the number in both deal severely with the noble lord, bet whena gmightria,vhet Rouses of Parliament. (Hear) An hon. gentleman say• statesman writes to so holy a man as a bishope one and ie vec that lam all wrong in sly figures ; I shall be glad to hear at lenet txpect t hat be would avoid his figures afterwards. (A laugh.) That is not the fact, tive. (Cheers and l a u g hter.) Yet, in but if it were, it would amount, not toa but to a I refer the noble lord hurled hi s sarcasm and invective f hie fellow - subjec t s , and sarcasm letter to which a complete social revolution in Oude; and living in a coma - against some 6,000,000 o h try where we have one great province, in Scotland, be - did great mischief to t b e r p e ace of the united king ea and cheer e). I can tell the longing to one member of the House of Lords, and 70 or dom at the tim e. (aeal. 'l • which there was not latter, but an amazing amount of 80 miles of territory to another, and having Dukes of noble l ord of anotherter, Bedford and Dukes of Devonshire in England, surely much sarcasm or invective, we ought to be a little careful that we do without insinuation of G m o o v s e t rn u o n t l G de e a n e e a r n a t l o c f ha l r n a d c i t a c , r. a p l r t oe w o a n s e. justice overturn the proprietary rights of the great not eel 10,000 to the wiles away, but to a nobleman filling one of talookdars and landowners in India. (Hear, hear.) But it is a fact which anybody may ascertain by the most delicat e and difficult offices connected o ith t h e referring to books which have been written , and h ome g overnment of the united kingdom. Upo n th a t witnesses who cannot be mistaken, that this l o , c t c t a e s i o a n n t d h t e he r noble eb l y ord a transgressed weak en further, ed ftohrei handsn the applies to more than 40,000 landowners in the king m ost manner, when nobody asked him, he p u bli s h e d the docum do en m t of Oude. And what is meant by these proprietary right: ? We must see what is the g eneral course of and damaged the character of the noble viscount the the policy of our Government in India. If you sweep member for Tiverton. (Cheers, and laughter.) There is one other point which I must notiee—the tff,ot it t h e despatch upon the feeling', of Lord Canning. lAm no t _ 'so—intimate-with -Lkad :Canning _ag inernbrii of this hoase, but I have hal the pleasure of his acquaint- anoe, and have always thought that he was one of the list men who would knowingly do anything inhuman br unjust. (Hear, hear.) That is my opinion still. (einem) I think he is to be commiserated, .as any other man ia his ph,ition woul I have been who happened to be 4 in India at rueb a time as the pre,:ent - ; and we are bound to take -a Itnieut view of such errors as we may suppose he bas,corninitted., ((Tear, hear.) If I - were in India' or anywhere else in the service of tho State; I should ex 13ct that tiiere,would be a general disposition to give 1:118 fair play in the exercise of my office, and that no strai.ed construction to_ my injury would be pu upoa . . an yLiiing evhi c h I did. (llear.) That is the view which I bull with relrect to Lord Canning. I hare never said a sellebte againet him in public, although I think some of his acts have been opera to objection,• and I am not about to say anything against him now; (Hear, hear.) I would not support a resolution which had for its objfret the damaging of Lord Canning, and I think the hon. member for Swansea has not done amiss iu cffering to the house the amendment of which he has given notice. (Hear, hear.) nut it is ju-t pos , dhle that leirl Canning is in the aniagt of ciicura'stances which have rendered it difficult, perhaps impassible, !far hi m to exercise his owe calm ja Igment upon the great question which forms the eubj,ct of his proola. illation. (Hear, hear.) I see in that proclamation not an emanation from the hutnano and just mind of Lord Canning, but an emanation from that mixture of red tape and ancient traiiien which is the foundation of the policy of the old civilian council' of Calcutta. (Cncirs.) But if it were a question of hurting L or d Canning's feelings and denouncing his preolamation, could not he,itate as to the choics which I should make. Private and personal feelings are but of slight and tempo rary importance compared witty the vast and permanent interests involved in the dangetema questions which we are now discussing. (Hear, hear.) I think, moreover. that - the right hon. gentleman the member for Oxford, the noble lord - the member for the West Riding. and the rioble lord the member for Llndon, have no right to throw themselves into conte: tions of agony—(a laugh).— wite regard to the manper of the despatch, because, as was stated the other night by the Attorney-General fur Ireland, they did not care so mu h for tee feelings of another public servant acting on behalf of the Crown at a still greaser distance from Eagland, when last .year they'jeintel in pronouncing an emphatic condenanatitin of the car:duct a Sir John Bowring. (Cheers.) I like laic play. (Cheery.) I would treat Lord Canning as I would treat Sir Jetta Bearing and Sir juhri Bowrieg as I would treat Lord Canning. (gean)._ Do not let us have in the servies of the Sate lowea-te Men v.ho may be trampled upon at pleaerre and high -caste men whom nobody dare crit'cise. (Cheers.) I said when I began that the resolution is important to something else beside India. It is important to the position of parties in this house. (Hear, hear) Let me devote a few wordtto tat branch of the suject. 'I am afraid—and I hope I sin not slandering anybody in saying so—that there is quite as much zeal for what is called place as zeal for the food of u , . (Oneers.) If the despatch had been published three months ago, when we were all sitting on the ot . eer side cif the house, it is probable that many gentleuleu who now speak so severely of it would have thought it a noble despatch, oentaining noble se itimeiate .xpressed in noble language. (Loud cheers and laughter.) But for the last two months there has been.a growing irritation observable on this side of the ho use. (A. laugh.) There has been a feeling which no ingenuity has been able to disguise— (chers)—that if the present Government remained in office ever the session no small difficulty would be found en displacing it. (Continued cheers.) When a tree is newly planted it may easily be willed up, but it soon strikis . its roots right - aud left and downwards, and at the end of a year the strongest man may not be able t tear it out of the ground. (Cheers.) 'Now, hon..gentle men opposite know that I thffer very widely from them on many public qutaions, and prooably at no very dis tant d they may find it out in some act of severe hos til;ty—(a laugb)—but I put it to the house whether out of doors the reputation of the present Government is not, in many respects, better than that of the last (Cheers.) I undertake to say that, with no exoeption, the jsdgfrent of deputations from the country, for ex ample, will be in favour of the manner in which they have been.teoeived by the present Ministers, and of the way in which their suggestionsand requests have beam treated. (enters.) That may be no great matter ;I do not say it is ; but I make the observation for the benefit of gentle. men who sit on this side of the house, beOause it is pos sible that they miy have to receive deputations again. (A. laugh.) Take the conuct of the present Ministers in this house. I know it may be said that being a weak Government, and not having a majority at their backs, they are obliged to be very civil. (" Hear, hear," and a laugh ) But what I maintain is, that every Ministry ought to be very civil to the House of Commons— (eheers)—and what I am prepared to assert is—we all know the fact—that during the existence of the late Go• verument civility was entiray unknown. (Great cheer ing.) Take another point, for it is worthy of the 003• sidtration of hon. gentlemen on this site yE the house ; and I ask honourable gentlemen sitting below the gang way to look to the hereditary trouLles that were going on with respect to our foreign policy, and which the existing Governtuount found they had to deal with on their accession to office. There was the Conspiracy BM, which would have landed you on the very verge of a war, if not in war, with France. That danger has been avoided, by no concession, certainly, in jurious to the honour of England. (Hear.) Take another question which agitate I the p ablic mied with respect to Naples. I ant not going into details on that subject ; but, as far as a Government could act I think thieGoverntnent has acted with judgment. ( Hear, hear.) I' believe the -noble lord below me (Lord J Bluetit) aeut4t4el thatbim self. With respect, then, to these questions, seeing the dilemma to which the fortign affairs of the country were brought under the last regime it is but fair, generous, and just that we on this side of the house should take no step which bears the colour of faction for the purpose of throwing the present Government out of office. (Cheers.) Whenever I j }in in any act to put the right hon. gentle meo opposite out, it shat be for something I clearly un der,tand, and something that the country will clearly un dt rstand—(cheers)—sotuething that shall offer a chance of good to some portion of the British empire, and a chance of advancing distinctly the greet principles which, if we are a party at all on this side of the house, we profess to have agreed upon. (Hear.) But there is another point to which I wish to advert. Not only is it feared that the right hon. gentlemen opposite would get firm in their seats, but it was also feared that some mem bers near me might get less firm in their alliance with right hon. gentlemen on this s de. (Hear) I bave heard of mutinous discussions and meetings, and of languageof the most unpardonable character uttered, no doubt in the heat of debate, as gentlemen say now. Bat something was going on in committee room No. 11, which, it was thought, unless it were put a stop tu, would break up powerful ranks, which, if united, might storm the Trea sury bench, and replace the last Government in office. (Cheers.) I believe it was intended that there should be a d-uperate effort made to change the state of things here before Whitsuntide. (Loud cheers.) That was a resolu ion come to locg before anybody knew anything about Lord Etienborough's despatch, sad this teemed to be a convenient opportuni.y, inasmuch as it ap peared to be defending an absent servant of the Crown, and teaching a lesson to the government for what was declared to be their injudicious conduct in publishing the despatch. Tt.is altogether appeared a very likely occe-ion for putting forward a pretext on which right bon. gentlemen might ri2o to office. (Bear, hear) I do not no sit speak to the Whigs in this house, or to those gentlemen who have been in office and expect to be is office again ; but I should like all those gentlemen who call themselves independent members, and who come to this house with no object of-place, patronage, favour, or emolument of any kind for themselves, but with the ho ne-t desire to serve their c nutty as members of the House of Commons, would consider what might be the resu:t of the present discussion. If the present resolu tion should be carried, it was supposed that the oil gc vernment, or something like it, would come back again. Now, there was great diectontent with that government before it went out of office ; but no pledge has been given as to its future conduct; no assurance that it would be be.ter or different than formerly. No new measures have been promised, no new policy avowed, and no new men have been held forth to the public very distinctly to take the high offices in the state ; but there has been something which I think the members of this house must have felt pain in witnessing. (Hear, hear.) There have been newspapers greatly in the interest of the ex-Treasury bench (cheer.), and in the most un blushing manner articles have proceeded evidently from the pen of somebody (loud c'utecre) who know exactly what was wanted to be done. (Hear, hear) or I d o e pie, in committee-room No. 11 a gentleuttehf wh om not mean to mention, for the house knows him as well , ntleman who as the other circumstances of the case e --- et a in g; is held out, took a most prominent part in the and no one is more indignant at it ru than himself, as ix-Ai for a certain of fi ce if ano t her government came in. (Cheers.) Thee, again, another gentleman, who made a sp-ech there, or moved or seconded a .resolution, is also held out for of ce, but it is not stated exactly in fi position .he is brl placed ; and before what precise up e g ering F ibers h e l d the 'tt b all many others of some place in the incoming government. I do no t say that thisis meant merely for th e h on . gentle but the glittering ball is h e ld u p, an d ever y men near we, roan i s e xpected to look at it. (Loud cheers.) These are not all the arts employed. lion. gentlemen sitting below the gangway with us for y ears — gen tl emen o f th e m ost independent character— receive flattering and neant,fully engraved cards for great parties in splendid mansions ; and not later that, Friday last, of all times, those invitatiAns were scattered abroad, if not with a more liberal, no doubt Ales a more discriminating hand than f eenerly. Of course (it is very ahsurd, no doubt, but that is why I mention it), if those cards of invitation coetaint d a note giving exactly a history of them, that note would say, " We have measured your head and gauged your goal, and we know, or believe (for I believe they do not know), that your principles which you came to Parliament to support, your charanter in this house, and ysur self-respect, will go for nothing in sight of * miserable temptation like this." (Cries of "Oh !" and cheers.) If we could see those persons taking the course sail to be taken by the celebrated horse-tamer, who ap peal 4, I am told, to the noble and intelligent instincts of the animal he tames, then I should not 'complain 7, but they appeal to instincts which every honourable mind repudiates, and to aspirations .which I hope no gentleman in this house will be influenced-by. (Cheery-) If they succeed, what sort of Government should we have? lam as anxious for a Liberal Government as any man in this house, lyit I cannot believe that in the present position of parties on this side of the house a liberal and solid Government can be formed. We are told, and the whole country is fixed in expectation and ~ c 2 :a I