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existed on the part of the public, as shown in the absence of petitions against the measure, arose from the reliance which the people out of doors laced on the determina tion of their lordships not to pass this bill. Bat during the last six weeks it had been well understood through out the country that theirlordships were disposed to give way on the subject, but yet no petitions had been pre sented against the course proposed. He contended that when there was a strong feeling existing in the country on any subject it was always evinced by the number of petitions presented to that house, and the fact that none had been presented against this bill proved most dis tinctly that the country was not opposed to the proposed alteration. (Hear.) He hoped and trusted, therefore, that this very night their lordships would at once and far ever put an end to a question which bad been so long in agitation, and which it was hopeless to expect could be much longer delayed. He therefore moved the second reading of the bill. The question having been put by the LORD CHAN cmtO3, Lord CLANCARTY opposed the motion, on the ground that it would not put an end to the question, and because it proposed to carry out an object which was in opposition to the repeated expressions of opinion on the part of their lordships. If a measure of the sort were to be passed, he thought it was due to their lord- A - tips that they should pass the one introduced by the venerable and gallant lord (Lord Lyndhurst), [rather than by the noble and gallant lord who had just moved the second reading of the bill. He would gladly join in any measure which should tend to the continuance of harmony between the two houses, and which would amend the character of the oaths required to be taken, but be could not support the present bill, which he be lieved would have no harmonising effects of the kind. Before they proceeded further with the tampering of the oath of Parliament, he entreated the house to pause and consider well the object of the administration of those oaths, which was to set forth publicly and solemnly that the Sovereign of this country ruled by the grace of God. He had no hesitation in :aging that he should be justi fied in bringing in Baron Rothschild, if he could only do eo without sacrificing principles which he held in the highest estimation, and which he could not consent to forego upon any c onsideration, and he therefore felt it his duty to move that the bill be read a second tiuse this day three months. (Cheers.) Lord BERNERS supported the amendment. Earl GRANVILLE did not think this the best way of dealing with the subject, but it was one he could sup port. Re would rather, however, their lordships had first taken into consideration their amendments to the first bill. They stood in an unsaeisfectory and anomalous position with reference to this question. They were un able to prevent a Jewish representative from sitting on committees of the other house and taking part in con ferences between the two houses. He could do all except voting in the house, and he (Earl Granville) considered it was a mere mockery for any one to stand up is that house and appeal to the highest religious Christian prin ciples with a view of exercising this barren restriction. (Sear.) He would cordially support the second reading of the bill, and he congratulated the house on the proba bility of this measure being passed. (Hear.) Tae Duke of CLEVELAND said he had ever sup ported religious toleration. The time had now arrived when the question must be settled. It was not to be ex pected the House of Commons would longer submit to the rejection of measures of this kind, and in order to prevent a collision between the two houses he hoped the bill would pass. The noble duke, who spoke with his back towards the gallery, was understood to review at some length the attempts at legislation for the admission of Jews to Parliament for upwards of 10 years past, and said the Jews were so small a race that there would never (if the measure passed) be more than three Jews a. else shoe members of the other house. (Laughter.) Lie Leee,;,. e;st; riisiesr Parliament was without foundation, for he did Liu, u‘iieve e. y Jow would be returned to Parliament except for a metropo litan borough. The Doke of RUTLAND was opposed to the bill. No new facts had been stated, no new principles had been enunciated, nor had any new arguments been urged sufficient to induce him to change his opinion. He called upon their lordships to reject the bill. Lord REDESDA.LE opposed the bill, and should support the amendment. Lord BROUGHAM entered on a defence of the principle of Lord Lucan's bill, and said that circum stances had lately arisen which had given a different complexion to the question. It had recently come to the knowledge of both Houses of Parliament that a member of the Jewish religion might perform nine-tenths of his duties in Parliament without taking the oaths, and he saw no reason why he should not be allowed to perform the remaining tenth. If he (Lord Brougham) understood the principle of tire bill it meant this, that if the house should be of opinion generally that a person of the Jewish religion could net take the oath of abjura tion "on the true faith of a Christian," the house might thereupon make a general resoluedon so as to remove the objections which would be fatal in the case of a Jew. (Hear, hear.) There was, however, one material cir cumstance which in his opinion should induce their lordships to alter their course, and which should put an end to all interference and all doubt. It had now been ascertained that by the law and constitution of Parlia ment any person might perform nine parts in ten of the duties of a member of either House of Parliament with out taking any oath, or undergoing any formality what ever. He held that there were Christians who sat daily in Parliament who differed as entirely from what was the teaching of the Church in all important matters of religion as the Jews (lid. The Bishop of OXFORD said he could not alter his vote. Men who rejected the Saviour must in all things and thoughts differ from Christians, and should not be trusted to make laws for them. He had advocated the admission of Roman Catholics to Parliament, but could not admit the Jews. Lord Brougham's argument went not merely to let in the Jews without oaths, but all men without oaths. What had happened to induce so general a change of views I—nothing. Nor could it be said that the wish of the people was with this bill. In this in stance, the House of Common notoriously did not repre sent the people. The people were apathetic on the point. How could they legislate hereafter for the Church in Parliament ? The Jew once admitted, what could keep out the Mahommedan, the Hindoo Lord DUNGANNON opposed the second reading of the bill.- The frequent return of Baron Rothschild was no argument for his admission, seeing that those who returned him well knew that he could not be admitted. The Earl of CARDIGAN said that although Le had been a consistent supporter of the present Government for upwards of 38 years, he for one could not consent to stultify every vote in favour of the bill. He admitted their lordships wire placed in a very awkward and un pleasant position, but he could not see any reason why there should be any change among them with regard to this subject. He should give a decided vote in favour of the noble lord's amendment. Their lordships then divided. The numbers were— Content—Present Proxies —143 Non-contents—Present Proxies —97 Majority The bill was then read a second time, and ordered to be committed on Monday next. _ MUNICIPAL FRANCHISE BILL. On the motion of Lord ASINGFER, this bill, with amendments, was read a third time and passed. OATHS BILL. __— On the order that the report of reasons to be offered to the Commons for the Lords insisting on their amend ments be taken into consideration, • Lord CAMPBELL suggested that the report should be taken into consideration that day six months, with the view of a bill being introduced next session for the . modification of the oaths at present iu form The Earl of DERBY could not assent to the proposal of the noble and learned lord. In point of fact, both houses of Parliament were agreed, their only difference being with regard to the introduction of Jews into Par liament—a difficulty which was now in a fair course of removal by the measure that bad been carried that night. He thought both bills should be sent down to the other house together, and with that view he would !propose the consideration of the report being postponed until Tue , day next. After a short conversation, in which Earls Granville and Stanhope and Lord Redesdaie took part, this course was ultimately agreed to. The Public Grounds and Playgrounds, the County Courts Dietiict, the Durham County Palatine Jurinctic tion, and the Stanhope and Waleingham Rectories Bills were read a second time. Toe County illanngemcnt Bill passed through coin- Their lordbLips adjourned at a quarter past 9 o'clock. HOUSE OF COMMONS-YESTERDAY. The SPEAKER took the chair at 12 o'clock. The New General Post-office (Edinburgh) Bill was read a third time and passed. UNIVERSITY (SCOTLAND) BILL. The house then went into committee on this bill. V On clause 13 being moved, which proposed to deprive the town councils of their rights of patronage, and in which clause an amendment had been suggested when the house was, on a former occasion, in committee on the bill, Mr. E. ELLICE thought the arguments failed with respect to Edinburgh. He suggested an amendment leaving them the patronage, but controlling the exercise of it for the protection of the public. Mr. BLACK and Col. SYKES opposed the amendment. 141 r. DUNLOP said the amendment would have a larger scope than VMS intended, and he therefore must oppose it. The LORD ADVOCATE took a similar view. He thought it would affect the rights of private foundation where the light of nomination had been vested in town councils. After some further discussion, the amendment was Withdrawn. Sir W. DUNBAR moved a proviso, to the effect that the patronage hitherto exercised by the town council of Edinburgh should be transferred to seven curators, four to be "'rued by the town council and three by the University Court ; the term of office to be four years. Mr. COWAN opposed the amendment ; but if it was proposed as a compromise he should not stand in the ay. ',rue clause was then agreed to, with Sir W. Dunbar's addition, which was as follo ws :—" And the right of nomination or presentation to all professorships in the University of Edinburgh, in times past and presently exercised by the Town Council of Edinburgh, or by one or more of the members thereof, shall be tramsferred to, tad in all time coming be exercised by, seven curators to be nominated as follows : within two montl is from and after the date at which this Act shall !otne into opera. m1:~99. THE tion, as hereinafter provided, the Town Council shall nom, nate four curators, and the University Court of the said University shall nominate the remaining three curators; provided, that, except the Lord Provost, no member of the Town Council, or of the University Court, shall be eligi ble as a curator ; and the curators shall continue in office for four years ; and in the event of vacancies in the office of curator occurring from death, resignation, or any other cause, the vacancies shall, as respects the four nominations made by the Town Council, be filled up by the town council, and shall, as respects the other nominations, be filled up by the university court, for the remainder of the period unexpired." Clause 14 was then proposed, and the blanks left for the names of the commissioners were proposed to be filled up as follows :—His Grace John George Douglas Camp bell, Duke of Argyll ; the Right Hon. George Hamilton Gordon ' Earl of Aberdeen ; the Right Hon. William David Murray, Earl of Mansfield ; the Right Hon. Duncan Mc Neill, Lord Justice General and Lord President of the Court of Session ; Sir William Gibson Craig, of Riccarton, Bart. ; John Inglis, Esq., Lord Advocate for Scotland ; James Craufurd, Esq., one of the Senators of the College of Justice ; William Stirling, Esq., of Eleir ; James Monoreiff, Esq.; Alexander Hastie, Esq. The names were agreed to, and the clause was ordered to be added to the bill, Mr. ELLICE, sen., remarked upon the extensive powers given to the commissioners, powers which the Home Secretary would hesitate to give any body of men in England. Mr. WALPOLE said it was intended to insert in the bill a clause requiring the commissioners to lay before Parliament their resolutions 15 days before they were put in force. Mr. GLADSTONE said what he wished to see was the Scotch degrees brought up to those of England, which be did not think could be done while Scotland main tained four Universities. The greatest good in hie opinion would be effected if the four Universities were consolidated into one, all the colleges arranging themselves under it as a central body. He did not think any loss by doing so would be occasioned, hut, on the contrary, a positive advantage would be gained. What be was most anions for was, that powers should be given to the commissioners to inquire into the possi.. bility of consolidating the four universities into one. This would involve upon the commissioners the duty of inquiring and reporting the result to the Crown, and if it was found that the feeling was in favour of such a proceeding, means could be taken ultimately to carry out the object, the effect of which would be to elevate the higher branches of education in that country. He therefore moved an addition to the clause, to the effect that the powers he had mentioned should be given to the commissioners, and that in the event of her Majesty granting a charter to the central university, the four existing bodies might be authorised to surrender their powers of granting degrees to the new university. (Hear.) The LORD ADVOCATE trusted the addition pro posed by the right hon. gentleman would not be pressed at the present moment. He suggested that it might be proposed upon the bringing up of the report. After a short discussion, the words proposed were withdrawn, on the understanding that they should be brought forward on the bringing up of the report. The clause, with a few other verbal amendments, was then agreed to. Clauses 15 to 13 inclusive were agreed to, On clause 19 (previous clauses baying provided for grants of money by Parliament), Mr. BAXTER moved the addition of the following proviso :—" That it shall not be lawful for the Commis sioners to apply any portion of such moneys for the en dowment of professorships in theology." He spoke, he said, on behalf of two-thirds of the people of Scotland who were dissentients from the Established Church. Mr. DALGLISH seconded the proviso. The LORD ADVOCATE objected to the proviso, whoa., a eas: l',ll the faculty of theology altogether, a faculty which was the most distinguisl,iLg feature in the universities of England and Ireland. Sir J. TRELAWNY thought that if the Parlia mentary grants were to be applied to theology an acri monious spirit would be raised whenever those votes came under consideration. He thought it would be very advisable altogether to avoid questions connected with particular theological views in that house. The committee divided. The numbers were— For the proviso Against it Majority The proviso was therefore negatived. On the question that clause 19 stand part of the bill, the committee divided, when the numbers were— For the clause Against it 76 Majority -49 The clause was added to the bill. Mr. BAXTER gave notice that on bringing up the report he should again take the sense of the house on the application of public money to theological purposes. He regretted the division that had just taken place, be cause it raised a false issue. The remaining olauses were agreed to, and the bill was reported to the house ; several members, however, giving notice that they should move new clauses on bringing up the report. The sitting was then suspended. The house resumed at six o'clock. THE %VEEDON ESTABLISHMENT. Col. FOR RESTER, the comptroller of the household, appeared at the bar, and read the following message from her Majesty :—" I have received your address praying that a royal commission may be appointed to inquire into the system upon which the books and stores have been respectively kept at Woedoo, as well as generally into the mode in which that establishment has been con ducted, and into the result of such mode of conducting such business as to stock and stores, and having taken your address into consideration, I have directed a com mission to issue for the purpoF es you have requested." EDUCATION (IRELAND). Lord NAAS (for Mr. H. Herbert) moved for copies of report of the committee of the National Board of Education in Ireland, appointed on the 11th day of September, 1857, to inquire into the conduct of Mr. J. W. Kavanagh, head inspector of national schools; of ap pendices t, the foregoing report, marked A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H ; of extracts from the minutes of the pro ceedings of the 27th day of November, 1857, with re spect to the report of the committee appointed to in, quire into the conduct of Mr. J. W. Kavanagh, head inspector of national schools ; and, btatement of further proceedings connected with Mr. J. W. Ka vanagh, subsequent to the order of the board, dated th© 27th Nov., 1857, depressing him from the rangy: of head inspector to that of district inspector of the first class. Mission did take would tor, published, or any of the let- I ters they received heath ,g on the subject would be appended to the report ? Mr. S. HERBERT st the report would be in the hands of the Secretary t ,f State next week, and no doubt he would deal with it ii a a judicious manner. The appen• dix to the report won ld contain all the information which the commissionurs thought necessary to justify the conclusion at which . they had arrived. LIEUTEasTANT SALKELD. Mr. KER SEYM:ER asked the Secretary of State for War for an expla nation of the circumstances under which the Victoria Gross was withheld from the late Lieut. Salkeld ? General PEEL expressed his regret that the hon. gentleman had not coi:amunicated with him before put ting his question on t'a a paper. It had never been con templated to withhold from Lieut. Salkeld the Victoria Cross. So far from ti at being theecase, he and others were recommended fo r the hentlr by Sir Archdale Wilson, and their names were duk gazetted. Unfortu nately, they never lived to receive them. They had ap peared in the Gazette, and if they had survived; her Ma• jesty would have approved the recommendation, and the crosses would have been presented to them. They i were now being prepared for presentation to their rela- I tives. (Hear, hear.) BEDDING AND CLOTHING FOR TROOPS TO INDIA. Mr. ALCOCK asked the Secretary of State for War, whether he had made any fresh arrangements for the gratuitous supply of bedding and clothing, adapted to the climate, to her Majesty's troops in India! Gen. PEEL said that with regard to any gratuitous supply of bedding it was vested in the East India Com pany. He had made application to Sir Colin Campbell to get gratuitous supplies of clothing for the troops, and he was endeavouring to bring about that the _troops should have reduced sea-kits. THE SLAVE TRADE. Mr. MUTT inquired when the slave trade papers of the year would be laid upon the table t Mr. W. S. FITZGERALD said he should be pre pared to give an answer to the question to-morrow. COMMISSION ON LIGHTHOUSES. Lerd C. PAGET inquired when the royal commission to inquire into lq - ,Ththouscs would be appointed' Mr. HENLEY said there was no intention to delay the issuing of this commission. The delay had arisen simply in consequence of the pressure of ptblic business at this period of the session, when it was impossible to give attention to the formation of the commission, and the instructions under which it was to act. There should be no unnecessary delay in the appointment of the com mission. TRINITY COLLEGE, DUBLIN. Mr. FAGAN asked the Chief Secretary for Ireland, whether since the visitation lately held at Trinity Col lege, Dublin, a Queen's letter has been issued by the Government to the college board, carrying out certain reforms in Trinity College, in pursuance of the recom mendations of the Royal Commissioners ; and whether he has any objacti-in to state to the house the nature of the proposed reforms ? Lord NAAS said that many communications had lately taken place between her Majesty's Government and the authorities of Trinity College, and communica• tions had also passed between the provost and senior fellows and the junior fellows of the college, and he was happy to say that a scheme had been agreed upon be tween the junior and senior fellows, by means of which considerable improvements were to be effected in the institution—changes of a most important character, which would affect the educational, administrative, and financial condition of the college. He was also informed that a draft of a Queen's letter would be forthwith sub mitted to the Government, and he hoped from the course of proceedings that had been taken that there was every prospect of a most fortunate result being obtained, and ho believed that improvement would be efficted in Tri nity College, Dublin, which would remove many difficul ties and unfortunate differences which ha d lately occurred, and which would in a very great degree tend to the gene ral efficiency of the institution. (liar, hear.) Mr. FAGAN esid the answer of the noble lord was so satisfactory that he should not prays the motion of which he had given notice on a former day. THE OFFICERS AT LUCKNOW, Mr. KINNAIRD asked the Secretary ofState for War how soon the officers who composed the garrison of Lucknow will be gazetted to their brevet rank ; and how soon the medals promised for the patient endurance and bravery of that heroic band, as well as to the gallant eaptcra of Delhi, will be issued ? Gen. PEEL said that the officers who composed the garrison of Lucknow were gazotted to their brevent rank on the 24th March last, comprising the major and cap tains of the 32d Regiment. Since then the seven lieute nants had been promoted to companies. In answer to the second question, he had to say that her Majesty had approved of the medals, and that they bed been forwarded to the President cf the Board of Control prior to their distribution. Mr. KINNAIRD inquired whether the Company's officers would be included ? Gen. PEEL said he had forwarded to her Majesty every recommendation that had been received float the Company. THE WARRANTS OF 1854. Lord A. V. TEMPEST asked Mr. Sidney Herbert whether it was a fact that the commissioners appointed to inquire into the operation of the warrants of 1854 have declined to receive verbal evidence ; and whether it was the case that no minutes are male of the proceed ings of the commission, or the opinions of th e i n di v id ua l members cf that commission ; whether, should the above be the case, he had any objections to state the reasons that had influenced the commission to adopt such a course Mr. S. HERBERT said he bad no objection to answer the question. It was perfectly true that the comenissien did not think it right to take oral evidence. Many mat ters referred to were only matters of opinion, not of fact, and they did not think it necessary to receive evidence upon them. Another reason was that many of the ques .. tions affected not only the warrants of 1851, but freoa interests which were rising up every day. Commissions, as the noble lord knew perfectly well, differed very materially from committees. No record was taken in commissions as to differences cf opinion amongst the members, but those members who dissented from the report could put in a report of their own, as was done by the right hon. gentlsmau the member for Coventry (Mr. Ellice) on the subject of the purchase of commission?, and in another in which ho (Mr. Herbert) presided. Oa both those occasions objections were put in the way he had mentioned. He believed the report from the commission would be in the hands of the Secretary of State early next week. Lord V. TEMPEST inauired whether the course adopted by this commission was the same as had been taken by commissions in which the right hon. gentleman had acted Mr. HERBERT replied that it was exactly the same in every respect. Col. NORTH inquired whether the evidence the ccrn• LONDON COILPORATION BILL. Mr. LA.BOUCHERE asked the Chancellor of the Ex chequer what were the intentions of the Government in relation to the bill for the regulation of the Corporation of the City of London 3 The Chancellor of the Exchequer had stated the other night that he did not think the Go vernment would be able to go on with it during the pre sent session. It would be :convenient if the right hon. gentleman would state whether or not he intended to abandon it. (Hear.) The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he would take the earliest opportunity the state of public business would allow, to state generally what were the intentions of the Government with regard to measures before the house. Perhaps, therefore, th hon. gentleman would not press him upon that point at present. CHELSEA. BRIDGE ACT AMENDMENT BILL. ' Sir J. SHELLEY said that this bill had been long on the paper, and he should be glad to know what was to be done with Lord J. MANNERS said that as a debate of some length had taken place on a previous evening he thought that when the order came on the division might be taken at onc?. _ _ GOVERNMENT OF INDIA BILL The house then went into committee on this bill. 0.1 7 Mr. G.LADeniteiNiE rose, ire cenfermity with the intention hejhad expressed the other evening, to pro pose as an amendment the addition, et the end of the 20th line in this clause, of these words :—" And it shall consist of the following members." The object of his amendment was that the first mem bers of the Indian Council should be named in the act of parliament. He did not think any private mem ber of the house ought to assume the responsibility of submitting the names of the persons to be entrusted with these functions. Their selection would devolve upon the Government, who should subject their choice to the review of Parliament, and if the names so recom mended were uhimately accepted the nomination of the new council would have all the weight and authority which would be derived from its having been sanctioned by the judgment of both houses. By the act of 1853 it was provided that the number of the directors of the East India Company should be reduced, and the task of making that reduction was imposed upon the then ex isting Court of Directors itself, and the directors were accordingly obliged to exclude several members of their own body. It was understood that this had been found by the Court of Directors to be an extremely painful and invidious duty; and it was obvious that objections of feeling must attach to such a mode of proceeding. His great object, however, in making this motion was, that the Indian council should be clothed with the greatest possible amount of moral weight and influence ' consistent with maintaining intact the responsibility of the Secretary of State. This end, he thought, wound Le best attained by naming the original members of the collo:it in the bill. It had been the Practice of Parlia ment to' follow this course when it was constituting bodies wh;:h were to be invested with subordinate funs , tines of govere'rnent of an arduous nature ; and the more onerous the dutieEf to be discharged, the more weight would be given to those who were intrusted with them if their appointment received the express approval of Par• !lament. The commissioners chosen to carry out the re form of the two universities were specifically named in the act of parliament relating to that subject, and the same remark applied to the case of the Charity Commissioners. Moreover, when Mr. Fox introduced his India Bill, he proposed to divide the Government of India into two departments, one of which was confided to a superior commission composed of seven members, aid the other to an assistant-commission consisting of nine members, and the names of both sets of commissioners were sub mitted to Parliament. True, that bill was rejected, but its rejection turned upon entirely different considerations. Upon the grounds of precedent applicable by just ana logy to this case, and also upon the grounds of reason, it was therefore desirable that the committee should add whatever it could in the way of moral weight and inlu ence to those who were to perform the difficult task of supporting and advising the Secretary of State at this critical juncture in administering the government of India. His proposal would, therefore, give the new Council the benefit of a good start, without in any de gree fettering the discretion or impairing the responsi bility of the Indian Minister. The right hon. gentleman concluded by moving his amendment. Lord STANLEY thought it would not be convenient to adopt the proposition of the right hon. gentleman, which would do away entirely with the principle of elec ting a part of the Council by the members of the present Court of Directors from among themselves, and would place in the bands of the Government, subject to the sanction of Parliament, the nomination of the whole. Now, it was the object of the Government not to make any needless changes, but to follow as far as they could the analogy of that which actually existed. They had found a Council composed palely of nominees and pertly of members elected by the Court of Proprietors ; and they had worked upon that as a basis. They proposed to increase the number of nominees and to reduce the number of elected members, so as to bring them to nearly equal pro portion,. But in reducing:the e leeted . rnembers of the exist ing Council they preferred to leave in the hands of the body the choice of those who should be members of the new Council. It was said that this course was proposed in 1853 and very reluctantly adopted. The changes made in 11153 were certainly reluctantly effected, but upon much larger and more general grounds, by the then existing Court of Directors. After having been in frequent communication with those 'who represented the Court of Directors, he had not heard anything wbioh in duced him to believe that, if called upon to perform this public duty, they would shrink from its. discharge on account of private feeling. The proceeding on which they were invited to enter wa, the less invidious because, as only one-third or one-fourth of their whole number would be chosen, exclusion would be the rule, and there could not therefore be the same expectation on the part of each member that he would be one of those chosen as there would be if the majority were to be elected, and only a few left out, One great reason fer leaving the choice in their hands was, baying acted together, they would be better acquainted with each other's capacities for the transaction of business than the Government could be. The bill also contained.a provision that the members of this cnincil should not be capable of sitting in Parliament, and the duty of the dire ctors would there fore be less invidious than it would have been if they had been called upon to exclude certain members from a body which was otherwise to remain the same. The objection to inserting the names in the bill was, the adoption of such a course would seriously retard the pro gress of the measure. The Government could not nomi nate these members without some time for consideration. and a delay of even a week or 10 days would at this period of the seseion be very inconvenient. Sir E. PERRY supported the amendment. He did not think that the mode of selection proposed in the bill would lead to the appointment of the best seven menu hers cf the Court of Directors, especially as it was re ported to be the intention of the court to select none of its nominated members. The amendment was negatived without a division, and the clause was agreed to. On clause 8, providing for the appointment of the first members of the Council, Mr. V. asked whether the words " or have been theretofore such directors" were intended to give the Court of Directors power to choose not only from existing directors, but also from those who, having filled that office, had retired ? Lord STANLEY said that the words were intended to give that power, but he apprehended that the election would take place principally from the existing body. Mr. V. SUITII said that this would throw upon the directors another invidious task, and therefore he moved that these words should be omitted. The committee divided, when the numbers were— For the amendment Against it . Alaj mty Sir J. GRAHAM remarked. .. ... .. .. 75 that w as censured the other evening for raising a:discussion upon the unlimited transfer of power to the Minister of the Crown, under clause 3, with regard to the expenditure of the Indian revenue both at home and in India, and with regard also to the distribution of patronage. Ha wa, glad to say, however, that tt at discussion had been pro ductive of great advantages. The President of the Board of Control had ascertained the views of many members in diffJerat parts of the house, and the cone:quence LONDON, FRIDAY EV ENI.I, JULY • 2, 1858 had been that he bad given notice of extensive amend ments, which removed every objection with respect both to patronage and to the expenditure of revenue. (Hear, hear.) But his object in rising at prevent was to moo: a single point with reference to the principle of election as it stood in the clause under consideration. Immediately after the words which the committee had just passed, "or having been theretofore such directors," he wished to insert the words " not being ❑ominees of the Crown." He desired that the elective principle should be sustained as much as possible ; but there was no security in the clause that five out of the seven members of Council whom the Court of Directors were to select might not be nominees of the Crown, and, as the first vacancy would be filled up by another nomi ' nee, it was quite possible that at the very commence ment 14 out of the 15 members of Council would be nominees of the Crown. His amendment would obviate that result, which none could desire, and he therefore hoped it would receive the assent of the committee. Lord STANLEY agreeei with the right hon. baronet that the discussion the other evening upon the third clause had been productive of advantage, inasmuch as it had shown the necessity of providing some further secu rity than existed in the bill against financial abuses. (Hear, hear.) The Government would be ready at all times to receive any suggestion from the right hon. baronet with that respect to which it was entitled; but the proposition which he had now made did not seem to be calculated to carry ont the object for which it was intended. It was clear that the elected members of the Council would cease to be nominees from the moment of their election. Because a man had been once nomi nated by the Crown to a certain office it did not follow, if he were subsequently elected to the Fame office, that he would remain f)r life a nominee of the Crown. (Rear, hear.) If the Government had not thought that the Court of Directors were fitted to be intrusted with the powers of electing seven independent members of the Council they would not have conferred such power upon them ; but, having come to the conclusion that they ought to be so trusted, they wished to leave their dis cretion as unfettered as possible. (Hear, bear.) The amendment was negatived without a division. Mr. GLADSTONE rose to submit to the Government the propriety of an alteration in the relative numbers c f the nominated and elected members of Council. The tenure of good behaviour, unless carefully watched and guarded. had a very great tendency to lapse into sine care. It was proposed in the formation cf the Council to secure somethine , like a balance between election and nomination ; but the plan adopted in the bill might tend to the appointment of a large preponderance of nominees, since vacancies were to be filled up alternately by nomination by the Crown and by election by the Council, in which the nominee members constituted the majority. He therefore proposed that instead of seven members elected by the directors, the number should be ten ; and, if that proposition were agreed to, he should afterwards move that five members should be nominated by the Crown instead of eight. Lord STANLEY said that if the proposition of the right hon. member for the University of Oxford were carried, a small minority of the Council comparatively would be nominated, and the majority would be elected by the process of self-election. When it was said that, as the bill stood, the election would be carried by per sons the majority of whom were nominated by the Crown, he must remind the committee that those nomi nees were appointed for life, and would therefore be in dependent of any Minister. The object of the bill was to strike a balance between the nominated and elected members, and he did think that object would be attained by the division of the Council into 10 elected and five nominated members. Lord J. RUSSELL said that, of curse, the desire of the committ,4, was to have, as far as possible, an indepen dent Council, and he believed that the persons nomi nated by the Crown for life, and devoting their minds to Indian business, would be independent of the Govern ment. He should therefore vote in favour of that part of the clause which the right hon. member for the Uni ve.stty of Oxford now proposed to alter. Mr - C.FORTESCUE trusted that the committee would no: c-iudeui, Lo of the elf cted :nem berg. Sir E. PERRY inquired whether the Government would introduce into the bill a provision declaring that none but gentlemen capable of devoting their who!e time to the business should be members of the council? Lord STANLEY said, that as members of the council would receive large salaries .and have the disposal of a considerable amount of patronage, it was reasonable to expect that they would devote their time to the perfor mance of the public duties assigned to them. That would be the understanding, but he did not propose to insert in the bill any restriction en the choice of the directors. The nominated members would be appointed on that understanding. Mr. GLADSTONE suggested that the Government should take power in the bill to reduce the number of the Council when vacancies occurred, if it should be found that for the transaction of business so large a number of members as was now proposed was not re quired. Mr. V. SMITH observed that most of the directors had some other business to attend to, either being bankers or connected with public companies. With re gard to the salaries of members of the Council he thought those members who were nominated, and who devoted their whole time to the duties of their office, would fully deserve 1,2001. a-year, while the elected members, who would probably be engaged in commercial occupations, would be overpaid it they received that amount. In his opinion *mine rule should be laid down as to the time which the elected members should devote to their duties, instead of leaving the matter entirely to the honour of individuals. Ile wished to know if two or three mem bers of the Cohn - :il died bow the vacancies were to be supplied, because under the system proposed the proper tioes of the 0 nne4.4d might for a time be disturbed. Mr. AYRTON believed that there were no statutory regulations which prohibited persons in public offices from engaging in other occupations, and his impression was that the only influence which could be brought to bear, in CAiO of any misconduct in this respect, was that which was exercised by Parliament upon the Govern ment, and by the Government upon the persons who held public offices. Mr. W. VANSITTART hoped that if the members of the Council were to receive salaries of 1,2001. a year the suggestion of the hon. and learned member for De• yonport would be adopted. Sir G. LEWIS said that in the case of the members of Council for India, some adequate security ought to be taken that they would bona fide devote their whole time to the service of the Crown. Lord STANLEY said the understanding would be that persons who accepted the position of members of Counc,l should do so on condition that they devoted their whole time to the duties which they were called upon to discharge. He would have no objection to pro pose the insertion in the bill of a clause to effect that object, if he could satisfy himself that it would be psssible to frame a clause which would meet every case that might arise. Many members of that house were aware that not only subordinate officers in the Govern ment, but a gentleman who bad held a very important position in a former Administration, had been partners in mercantile establishments. He believed that the gen tleman to whom he referred took no active part in the ma na gement of the establishment with which he was connected, and that the partnership was merely nominal, but, undoubtedly, he was a partner ; and he (Lord Stan ley) did not know what right the house would have to say that a gentleman in such a position should not be capable of bolding an appointment in the public ser vice. The gentlemen who might compose the Council for India would accept their appointments on the under standing that they were to devote their whole time to their official duties, and as there would be a power of removing them for misconduct, a breach of that under standing would undoubtedly be held to be a violation of of their contract under the terms of the bill. With re gard to the number of the Council the Government might no doubt be empowered to reduce them if they were found too numerous to do the work of the Council, but such a power had better be left in the hands of Par• liament. He did not wish to pronounce any opinion upon th e question. If a necessity should arise ifor Making any a lt e ration in that respect nothing could be easier than for the Minister to come to the house and propose a remedy. They had been told that they ought to insert a proviso limiting the choice of the Crown to those who were not members of that house ; but be did not think that that was either a necessary or an ade quate security. The Government would be infinitely more injured by the appointment of a persin from un worthy motives than they could be benefitted by his . _ votes in that house. The Government ought to be lef: free to choose such as they saw best adapted to do the work of the Connell. With respect to the objection of the right:l7on. nt rush wppweite, that no provision had been made for the elected and the nominated members dying alternately, he did not know how to guard against the possible disparity of numbers suggested by the right hon. gentleman. All that the Government could do was to take care that at the outset the arrangement as between the two classes—the nominated and the elected —should be a fair one. They could not do anything more calculated to make a Council of this kind work badly than estab;ishing a permanent distinction between the elected and the nominated members. (Hear.) Sir E. PERRY understood that it was the int-ration of the noble lord that the members of the Council should not be engaged in any other business, but as the noble for i seemed to think that there would be a difficulty in framing a clause to secure that, he begged to suggest that souse such words as those in the Act of 1793, whereby all those employed in the service of the East India Company were prohibited from attending to any other business, should be added to the clause. Sir G. C. LEWIS apprehended that the object of that act was to prevent servants of the East India Company, while it was a trading company, from personally engae ing in any other business. (Hear, hear.) If any words were necessary he thought that those in the orders of the Poor Law Commissioners requiring persons employed by a Po.ir Law union to devote ail their time to its service should be adapted to the case of the Council. Mr. T. BARING said if any provision against the members of the Council being employed in any other business were inserted the noble lord might be driven to appoint men who could do no other business than that of the Council. (Hear, hear, and a laugh ) He did not think that the Council should be f xcluJed from seats in that house. Advisers and not mere clerks were what they wanted.. The SOLICITOR-GENERAL reminded the com mittee that what his not le friend bad said with respect to the employment of their time by the Council was simply this,—that it was; expected that the time of every person who joined the Council should be at the disposal of the Council. But to frame a clause by which every member of the Council would be bound to be engaged in no trade or traffic whatever was a very different mat ter. Such an arrangement with regard to the Govern ment would have deprived the country a few years ago of the services of one of its most able men, inasmuch as her was a member of a mercantile firm at the same time that be was a member of the Government. If it should be found that a member of the Council did not devote sufficient time to the Council the Govern ment could take steps to move him for misbehaviour. Then, main, it was always in the: power of Parliament to address the Crown for the removal of any councillo.r who did not perform his duties, so that there wa9 a• - donble check—one in the hands of the Executive, and the other in the hands of Parliament. Every one must desire to see the Council formed of men of the greate4t experience and practical ability, and it might in some cases be that their very connection with some other pursuit was a guarantee for the possession of those qualities, and he could not therefore consent to the pro pose'. Sir J. GRAHAM could not understand the applica tion of a principle to members of the Ceuncil which it had not been considered necessary to apply to Ministers of State, (Hear, hear.) Speaking with accurate know ledge, he had known Cabinet Ministers in both Houses of Parliament, and members holding high position, who were partners in breweries or insurance companies, or who were connected with some commercial pursuit. He saw no reason for introducing any such principle as absolutely to prohibit members of the Council from being engaged in any other occupation. They would be al. ways under the review of that house, and they would be actuated by a sense of duty, and any such restriction would probably interfere to prevent persons of the highest qualification from undertaking the duties of councillor. The duties of the office need certainly not occupy the whole of a man's time, and he should cer tainly deprecate the insertion in the bill of any such provision as that members of the Council should be ab solutely bound down not to follow any other occupation. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER wished to point out that the hon. member for Davenport had placed a very strange construction upon what had been ' said by his noble friend. His noble friend had stated, what was the unanimous opinion of his colleagues, that those members of the Council appointed by her Majesty would be expected to place their whole time at the disposal of the Secretary of State, but he did not at all intend to say that the whole of their time should be devoted to the duties of their office, or that they should not be allowed to do anything else. (Hear.) As regarded those members of the Council appointed by election, his noble friend would not for a moment lay down tho principle, that they should be required to spend the whole cf their time in the fe!filment of their duty as councillors. It was very possible that persons might he elected from their connection with the Court of Directors, who at the same time would be occupied with public or private interests, but ho did not think that any disadvantage would result from that; but, on the con trary, the election of such men might be the means of introducing into the _Council a great deal of practical knowledge and experieuce. In effecting a transition from a Government of an anomalous character to one which in time would assume a more regular form, it would not be wise to adopt a principle which would negative a prat tice which bad in the Government that was about to be abolished been productive of beneficial result, and it would be highly impolitic, in his opinion, to define, by a clause in an act of Parliament, what time the members of the Council, who would of course be bound by their own sense of duty, should devote to the duties of their office. (Hear, hear.) Mr. RICH objected to the expense •which would be incurred for the payment of the salaries of councillors and their retiring pensions, and gave notice that t ie would propose an amendment relating to the subject. Mr. FITZROY intimated, from the chair, that the discussion which was going on was most irregulP,r, the real question before the house being whether ti''a or seven members should be appointed by election. Sir H.WILLOITGHBY considered I . l aat with a view to the appointment of men in wbr„ rn persons connected with India would have confidr.,nce, it would be advisable that the number of council'iors elected should be ten. Col. SYKES concurred in that opinion. He thought also that when a perso n accepted an office, who himself intended to do hie duty, he would not engage in multifarious occupation which would interfere with the f - 4 (Infi9q, b u t a t the same time he would not bias p iaOG.. i y a b.LIOL LL:t: t . - liament. It was absurd to say that men engaged to hte rary or scientific pursuits should not be eligible for the Council. Such a rule might exclude some of the best men. Mr. D. SEYMOUR was decidedly opposed to ren dering persons eligible to be on the Council who at the same time were engaged in large contracts. What would the country think of the First Lord of the Admiralty being a timber merchant as well t (Hear, hear.) Mr. G. HUDSON hoped the committee would con fine the discussion to the real question before them, viz., whether the number should be seven or ten. The amendment was then negatived without a divi sion It was then proposed by Lord STANLEY to add words to the clause, enabling her Majesty to fill up va cancies in the Council in the event of their not being filled up within a specified time by the Court of Direc tors. The proviso was added after a brief discussion. Clause 8 was then agreed to. On clause 9, Lord A. V. TEMPEST moved, in line 4, after " fiiled up," to leave out the remainder of the clause, and add, "by persons, to be elected as hereinafter mentioned, from among persons who have been ten years at least in India, in the service of her Majesty, or of the Govern ment of India, in any department, whether legal, civil, naval, or military, or who have been 15 years resident in India; and the parsons qualified to vote in the election of such members shall be proprietors of capital in Indian stock, or of paid-up capital in railways or other public works in India, of the amount of one thou , and pounds ; or of persons who have been ten years in the military, naval, or civil service of the East India Company, or of her Majesty, provided always that no person shall be entitled to vote in the election of such members as afore said unless he shall have been qualified as aforesaid for six months before the election, and be registered according to the regulations hereinafter to be men tioned." The noble lord contended that his proposal was in strict accordance with a principle which had already been sanctioned by the committee, and also in conformity with the sixth resolution. Lord STANLEY thought the house had already de termined that such a constituency as that implied in the amendment could not be found—(hear)—and without detaining the committee, he should simply confine him self to stating that the Government would adhere to their original intention. (Hear.) Mr. AYR,TON quite concurred in the resolution of the Government. Sir H. WILLOUGHBY believed that by the intro• duction of the necessary safeguards such a constituency might be obtained. The amendment was negatived without a division, and the clause was agreed to. On clause 10, Mr. V. smut' reminded the noble lord the President of the Board of Control that he had promised to consider the question of constituting two-thirds of the members from persons who had been ten years in India. Lord STANLEY said the subject had been carefully considered, and the Government proposed that the "major part" of the members should be chosen from persons who had bad this Indian experience. The words " majoor part" were then inserted. The clause as amended was then agreed to. On clause 11, Mr. GREGSON proposed to leave out the words "good behaviour," and insert " five years, and to be re eligible for election." Lord STANLEY said this que3tion had already been debated at length, but the committee had determined that tenure for life would be the most advantageous arrangement. Mr. LINDSAY believed that ultimately India would be be better governed without a council at all. Elect members for life, and they would naturally vote in favour of vested interests. If the hon. member pressed his amendment, he should assuredly vote with him. Mr. D. SEYMOUR asked whether in the event of the Government desiring at a future period to diminish the number of the council, the retiring councillors were to receive life pensions ? Sir H. CAIRNS said the question of the Govern. meat was that the council would be the permanent mode of governing India, and if hereafter the number was found too great, it would be open to the Secretary of State for India to come down to the house, and say that he did not think it necessary to fill up the vacancy. Lord PALMERSTON - said that this point was of great importance. He lamented that the house had de terntiued to make the council so numerous, it being hie decided opinion that several of them would turn out sinecures with retiring pensions. What was the object of the committee in regard to the formation of the emen d' —that ehey should be independent —net for action, for the Chancellor of the Eischequer had denied that they were an executive council. The fundamental principle established was that it should be a council for advice, and that it should be rendered independent in order to give sound advice. It wee thought that the members of the council should hold office for life, and if rendered unable to perform their duties they were to have retiring pensions of 6001. or 8001. a year. He (Lord Palmerston) proposed a much shorter way of making them iudepen deet, namely, that they should hold office for ten years. Tney would then be quite independent, for it was barely to be expected that they could hope for favour from a Government in ten years. In addition to that he pro posed that they should not be re appointed or re-elected. (Hear.) Could anything be more objectionable than that they should be appointed for life ? If Indian experience was to be of value, it must be the exeerie,,ce of this day. Any other experience woald be worse than useless, be cause it would only lead to error. Tne experience of 15 or 16 years, considering the rapid advances making in India, would be of little use. He was met by an ohjec• tion that the delineator would gain more knowledge of India in the council-room at home than if be were in India. If that were PO, why tie up the choice of men passing their lives in India? Why not have a series of Secretaries of State ? Tney would get in all probability men of advancing years—losing activity of mind and body. They would thus have an effete council. He should support the amendment now proposed, and should afterwards propose the amendment of which he had given notice. Mr. MILLS said the case of the noble lord himself was one of those who was a proof in his own person that the country should retain the services of those who in early life had served it well. Sir E. COLEBROOKE supported the amendment. He admitted that by au-expensive system of pensions they might get rid of th'e difficulty with respect to the individuals forming the council, but there was another question more difficult connected with the patronage, and they would find that the families of the councillors would be very unwilling that they should retire. Mr. A.YRTON thought it would be highly inexpe dient to be constantly shifting the counoil. The executive council was a phantom that had flitted before the eyes of the noble lord, and bad dooeiveLl him. With regard to retirements, he thought they should be gradual, because he saw great dangers in sudden changes. Mr. W. EWART said in order to have an indepen dent council there must be a limit of five years with a prospect of re-election,which would be an ample security. Mr.......jlollhought.a periodical infusion of new blood into the council was necessary. Persons who held ap pointments for life were always found to be listless, while those who bad to go out at a certain time were al most invariably energetic. Re thought a superannuation fund to secure the retirement of members would be a most unjust thing to India, by creating a very serious charge. Appointments for life would not therefore be so beneficial as appointments for a term of years, what ever the limitation might be. After a few words from Mr. LINDSAY, The committee divided, when the numbers were— For the amendment Against it Majority against - - Sir G. LEWIS asked whether there was any necessity for that part of the clause which referred to criminal or disgraceful conduct. It appeared to cast an unnecessary stigma on the councillors. If any member of the conned was guilty of criminal conduct he would be liable to be treated by the criminal law, and would be committed by the magistrates; so that by the very necessity of the case prevented from attending the meetings of the council. As for disgraceful conduct, he could not conceive how any such emergency could be expected. Sir. J. GRAHAM said the members of the court of Directors were removable for "incapacity or misbeha viour," and suggested that a similar clause should be in troduced in this bill. . _ Mr. CAIRNS said her Majesty could have no power to discharge those who were not servants of the Crown. Sir G. LEWIS said that the directors were not remov able by the Crown on an address from this house. They were not servants of the Crown. The members of the council were servants of the Crown, and that they should be removable by the Crown on an address from this hou-e, was consistent with the whole scheme. After a iew words from Mr. GURNEY and Sir H. WILLOUGHBY, Mr. WARREN said that county court judges were removable for misbehaviour or inability. Lord STANLEY said that under this clause there would be the power to remove a member of the council in the case of insolvency or bankruptcy. Ae to the ob jection that persons would be removed for inability, though arising from no fault of their own, the provision of a retiring pension met that point. Lord J. RUSSELL said there bad been instances of judges retaining office after they were unable to dis charge their duties, and the case might be the same with the councillors under this act. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that there was nothing so difficult to define es inca pacity, and every attempt tee define it would trench on the independence of the council. He therefore hoped that the amendments i:vhich had been suggested would not be pressed. Clause 11, '.a amended, was then agreed to. On clause 12, which provides that members of the council shall not sit in Parliament, Sir B. "PERRY said it was desirable that the mem bers of. council should not be engaged in trade. He had understood that this was the opinion of the Go v. ernment ; if so, a provision to that effect should be introduced into the clause. The SOLICITOR-GENERAL raid if a member wail appointed on the understanding that he should eive the who!e of his time to his duty, and if he did not do so it would be a breach of the understanding, and wenn come under the definition of misbehaviour. Sir E. PERRY urged that the words "or concerned in any trade or traffic whatever" should be introduced into the clause. It was well known that a late Presi dent of the Board of Control had been engaged as a sleeping partner in a large commercial concern; and I he wished to prevent anything of this kind occurring with tlze new council. Mr. LIDDELL thought that, considering how useful the presence ( f East India directors in that house bad been, it was very desirable that the house should not few thP future deprived of that advantage by the ex . frnm ti,,q hwiqp. By that exclusion they would deprive the Indian Graver n• men`, of some of the fittest persons for the -council. He proposed to omit the word "no," and add "8 " to the word "member." Mr. ELLIOTT said that all the information they were able to obtain in Indian debates was derived from Ea,t India directors. Why should the house deprive them selves of the advantage of that information which was thought so necessary for the Indian Government Mr. GROAN said that if the clause were carried they would have no authoritative informant on In dian affairs in that house except the president. Sir E. COLE BROOKE supported the amendment. Mr. CLAY was far from undervaluing the assistance of the directors, at the same time he thought that from the wealth and position of many gentlemen who had lived in India, they need not apprehend any dearth of information. Lord J. RUSSELL was averse to putting any re straint upon the choice of electors unless on very strong arguments. The principle of exclusion had been carried too f:tr. There were few men who had afforded so much information on Indian topics as Sir William Grant, whose speeches had been heard with great admiration by that house. The objection that the debates of the council would be reviewed reminded him of the story of a Welsh magistrate, who, when he had heard one side of a case, and the counsel for the other side was about to address him, stopped the learned gentleman by saying, " When I have heard one side of a case I can decide easily enough, but if I hoar both sides I am always puzzled." (Hear, and a laugh.) As the council was now constituted there was ❑o fear of an Indian " agitator" becoming a member of it. (Hear, hear.) At present, also, the opinions of the East India Company were well known in the House of Commons, and due abatement made for them. He thought the balance of advant;To was in favour of members of the council sitting in Parliament. Lord STANLEY agreed with the noble lord that there were advantages and disadvantages in members of the council having seats in that house, but the advantages of their being excluded, in his opinion, prevailed, and he should therefore resist the amendment. He would re mind the noble lord that there were already many classes excluded from Parliament by reason of their office. There were judges and others, and there was no class of men who would feel the hardship less than those men who, having spent their lives in India, had no social ties at home. Give these men seats in Pailiament,Eand it it were not a disability, it might be made by the Govern ment of the day a condition that they should get seats in Parliament to support the Minister. He thought they should be kept, if possible, free even from suspicion. The mutual confidence which should exist between a member of the council and a Secretary of State would, in his opi• nion, be much impaired, by the former having a seat in that house, and connected with some political party. He thought a councillor could not discharge his duties as a member of Parliament and a member of the council in an efficient manner, and he should therefore oppose the amendment. Sir J. ELPHINSTONE thought the reasons given by the noble lord who had just sat down were totally without foundation, and believing the exclusion of members of the council of India from that house most mischievous, he should support the amendment. Mr. V. SMITH asked what it was they required in members of the council but to be independent. But surely after their experience of the Board of Directors, who were said never "to ba guilty of au indiscretion," they could not but see that it would be most inconvenient to have members of the council in that house, for unseemly con tests must arise between them and the Secretary of State, which would be most injurious to India. By admitting them into that house, they would either be the creatures of the Minister of the Iday, or obstructives, and in either case it was not advisable to admit them. Mr. PULLER supported the amendment. Mr. RIDLEY could not see why members of the House of Commons should not be eligible as well as members of the House of Lords. The committee then divided, when there appeared— For the clause Against Majority —124 The clause, after some conversation, was agreed to. The CIIAIRUAN then reported progress, and obtained leave to sit again to-morrow (Friday) morning. The Herring Fisheries (Scotland) Bill passed through committee. CHELSEA•BILIDGE ACT AMENDMENT BILL. On the motion that this bill be now read a second time. Mr. BLACKBURN moved that the bill be read a second time that day six mouths. The house, after a few words from Lord J. MANNERS, divided— For the second reading For the amendment 96 Majorityfor the second reading -'.;5 Mr. BLACKBURN' then said the bill had been rejected three weeks ago, and was now brought on after 12 o'clock at night; but he hoped it would be rejected upon ,going into committee. The bill was then read a second time, and ordered to be committed. SALE AND TRANSFER OF LAND (IRELAND) BILL. The house. ent into committee on this bill, and, having passed some clauses, The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved that the chairman report progress. The CHAIRMAN accordingly reported pr. , gress, and the house resumed. LONDON CORPORATION REGULATION BILL. On the motion that the adjourned debate for going into committee on this bill be resumed, Mr. WALPOLE moved that the order be discharged, and it was discharged accordingly. CLERK OF PETTY SESSIONS (IRELAND) BILL. The house went into committee on this bill, and, after a few words of conversation, the Chairman reported progress, and the house resumed. COPYRIGHT OF DESIGNS BILL. The house then resolved itself into committee on the Copyright of Designs Bill. The bill passed through committee. BISHOPS TRUSTS SUBSTITUTION BILL. This bill ;;;;C;;;;;;;dtime. DIVORCE AND MATRIMONIAL CAUSES ACT AMENDMENT BILL. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL, in reply to Mr. GLAD STONE, sail he would, on Monday, name what day he would bring. on tha socond reading of this bill. GOVERNMENT OF INDIA. BILL. Oa the motion that this bi.l (Lord Palmerston' , -) be read a second time, An Hon. 111 E 1113Eu, amidst the l aug h ter o f th e house, said, " Next session." Lord PALMERSTON.—This day week. (Laughter.) MARRIAGE LAW AMENDMENT BILL. On the motion that this bill be Lola BURY moved that nothing herein contained shall render valid any uu n i ago with the sister of a deceased wife, if either of the p art i es t o suc h marriage shall, after having contracted such marriage, and before the passing of this act, have inarxicd any other person. After a short discussion, the clause was agreed to. NORTH AMERICAN TERRITORIES. _ _ Sir E. B:t - fT1 -7 6 - 1sFbio - oght in a bill to provide for the .. _.. , e ~'Y r government of certain territories in North America situate between the Pacific and the Rocky MountainE. JUDGMENITS ACT (IRELAND) AMENDMENT ACT. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL for IRELAND brought in a bill to amend the laws concerning judgments in Ire land. DETACHED PARTS OF COUNTIES. Mr. WALPOLE brought in a bill to amend the law concerning detached parts of counties. SUPERANNUATION LAW AMENDMENT. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER brought in a bill to amend the laws concerning superannuation and other allowances to persons having held civil offices in the public service. ADMIRALTY COURT. Mr. WARREN brought in a bill to enable sergeants and barristerslat law, attorneys and solicitors, to practise in the High Court of Admiralty. The house adjourned at a quarter past one o'clock. POLICE INTELLIGENCE.-July 1. GIIILDHALL.—John Perry, a carman, in the employ of Messrs. Mosley, a newsagent, of Cathe rine -street, was charged with the manslaughter of Mr. Bamford. Police-constable 315, said—l was on duty on the 16th June i❑ Fleet-street, about five minutes to 6 o'clock, when I saw the defendant galloping down Fleet -street towards St. Paul's, with a horse and cart. He was going at the rate of nine or ten miles an hour. A gentleman was crossing the road near the end of Clifford's Inn-passage, when the defendant's horse caught him on the shoulder and knocked him down. The horse and cart went on about 10 or 12 yards, when the defendant pulled up. I called to the defendant, and he pulled up immediately. The gentleman was taken to the hospital, and has since died. I attended the coro ner's inquest, and a verdict of manslaughter was returned. The defendant was committed by the coroner for trial, but he was admitted to bail in one surety of 1001. _ _ The surgeon's evidence having been •taken, the defendant was committed for trial, and the same bail taken for his appearance to answer the charge. MARLBOROUGH-STREET. —FEMALE AME NITIES.—Mre. Mary Ann Robarts, of Brompton square, was charged with abusinc , Mrs. Catherine Beaumont, of 14, Halfmoon-street. The defendant drove to the court in her own carriage. The complainant said on Friday last she was standing in Rotten-row, when the defendant, as she passed her, called out, "That's the swindling thief," " That's the Irish -." The defendant stopped and pointed at her for several minutes. In defence a witness named Isabella Litchfield was called, and she denied that any abusive lan guage was used. Mr. Beadon Rai , ' he had received a letter from the defendant that morning stating that she could not attend the summons, as she was ill ; but he had been informed that the defendant had ordered her carriage for 12 o'clock, and he could assure her, had she not come forward to meet the case, be should have issued his warrant to take her into custody. He should now order her to enter into her own recognisances to keep the peace for three months. Country Markets. MANCHESTER-JULY 1. There was a fair attendance at our market this morning. English wheat was held for an advance of is to 2a per qr., and American ld to 2d per 701bs. Flour generally is per sack more money. Oats ruled steady. Oatmeal rather easier, in limited request. Beans and barley firm. LOUTH-JuNr, 50. We Inwe again to report a dull market for all descrip• tions of grain, and late rates were unaltered, but prices Wcru rather in f iveur o' the haver. Wheat, red, 388 to 41s ; wiadu , 45a ; white, 4Ga; barley 32s to 353; oat, 23s to 26s ; beans, 40s to 435. BOSTON-JUNE 30. There was a poor supply of wheat, and the demand was very languid, and, although prices declined is per qr, but little business resulted. Other articles were in limited de mand at former prices. Prices :—Wheat, red, 38s Od to 45s Od; new, —s to —s ; white, 43s Oct to 47s Od; extra, 48s. Barley, 28s Od to 33s Od. Oats 24s to 30s. Peas, 40, to 42s Od. Beans, 42s Od to 44% Cd per qr. NEWARK-JUNK 3D. At our Corn Exchange to-day there was a good attend ance of farmers and a large show of grain. Wheat ad vaneed is per qr. Other articles as before. Wheat, white 46s to 48s, red 4b to 455; barley, malting 33s to 345, grinding 3.1 s to 31s; oats, 12st. 32s to 345, list. 26s to 28s; beans, 43s to 45s ; malt, 64s to 72s ; peas, 40s to 42s ; tares, —s to —s per qr. GLASGOW—JuaI 30. At this day's market wheat was generally held for 6d per boll advance, which was only obtainable for the lower descriptions of States—Baltic and the better sorts of Ame 'lean selling more readily at full prices, and some quantity found buyers. Flour not any dearer. Barley, beans, and peas held firmly. Oats, oatmeal, and Indian corn un altered. EDINBURGH GRAIN.-JuNE 30. A rather small supply of grain to-day. Sales lively for all sorts, an prices better. Wheat, on the tup, Os 6d down, and on the average Os 2d up. Barley, is 3d up on the top, and Os 4d up on the average. Oats on the top wore Os Oi up and on the average is 2d up. Beans on th• top is Od down, and on the average Os 3d up. AVERAGES PER IMPERIAL QUARTET. Wheat £2 1 10 5-12th. Do. new -12thd. Barley 1 5 10 1-12thi. Oats 1 7 7 0-12ths. Beans -12ths. Total Supply and Sales. Wheat 100 grs sold. 911 gra Barley 362 gra sold 176 gra Oats 1110 gra sold 739 gra Beans 63 gra sold 53 gra DERBY SMITHFIELD.—Juss 29. Oar market was well supplied with fat beasts to-day, and high prices were asked, but the sales were heavy. A large number of sheep and lambs, but prices unaltered. Fat and store calves again plentiful. The following were the quotations :—Beef, bid to ; mutton, 6d to 6Ad ; lamb, 6cl to Bid ; veal, 6d tc —d per lb. ; pork, 5d to —d per lb ; rough fat, 4a 8d to Us per 141 b.; hides, nd to 31d per lb ; calf-skins, 4d to 5d per lb. [ADVERTISEMENT. ]— SIGHT AND HEARING SPECTACLES—.. POWERFUL TELESCOPES OPERA, RACE, AND PERSPECTIVII GLASSES.—S. and B. Solomon, opticians, 39, Albemarle street, Piccadilly. Observe—opposite the York Hotel, W. By her Majesty's Royal Letters Patent for valuable and ex traordinary improvements in the most powerful and brilliant Telescopes, Camp, Race-course, Opera, and Perspective Glasses, to know the distances. These Telescopes possess such extraordinary power that some, three and a-half inches, with an extra eye-piece will show distinctly Jupiter's moons, Saturn's ring, and the double stars ; with the same telescope can be seen a person's countenance three-a . For the waist wlnBdist-hlaiih_nacAlfrevasimaillugues. distant and an object from 16 to 20 miles. coat-pocket,audare o T f hlearßgeory,alanAhailbl Exhibition, 1851, powers accordingly. able, n ewly-invented, very small, powerful, Waistcoat-pocket Glass, the size of a walnut, by which a person can be seen and known one and a-half mile distant. They answer every pur. pose on the Race-course and at the Opera-houses. Country scenery and ships are clearly seen at 12 to 14 miles. They are invaluable for shooting, deer-stalking, yachting, to sportsmen, gentlemen, gamekeepers, and tourists. Opera, Camp, Perspective, and Race-course Glasses, with wonderful powers. Invaluable preserving Spectacle Lenses of the greatest transparent power. The great advantage derived from this invention is, that vision impaired becomes pre served and strengthened and very aged persons are enabled to employ their sight at the most minute occupation—can see with those lenses of a much less magnifying power—and they do not require the frequent changes to the dan. gerous effects of fartber powerful assistance. Persons can be suited at the moJ remote part of the world by send. ing one of the glasses out ot their spectacles in a letter, and stating the dist:nee from the eye they can read small print with it, and those who have not made use of spectacles by stating their age. Deafness.—New Discovery.—The Organic Vibrator, an extraordinarily powerful, small, newly-invented instrument for deafness, entirely different from all others, surpassing anything of the kind that bas been, or probably can be produced. Being of the same colour as the skin, is not perceptible. It enables deaf persons to hear distinct lyat church and at public assemblies ; the unpleasant sensation of singing uoi sos in the ears is entire. V removed, and it afford/ all the assistance that possibly could be desired. -39, Albe marle-street. Piccadilly—Opposite the York Hotel, NV, BIRTHS. CarAsr —On the 30th ult., at 6, Marlborough-hill, St. J o h n ' s wood, the wife of Professor Creasy, of a daughter. LEwis —On the 30th ult., at 25, Whupole-street, the wife of Spencer R. Lewin, Esq., of a daughter. SIMPSON—Oa the 29th ult., at 32, Oxford-terrace, Hyde. park, the wife of Robert Simpson, Esq., of a daughter. TURNER —Mrs. Polhill Turner, of Howbury Hall, Bedford. shire, of a Eon and heir. MARRIAGES. ST. LEDGER— Goocsr—On the 20th ult., at St. 'George's, Han over-square, Major ;John St. Ledger, late of the 14th light Dragoons, to Harriet Gooch, relict of the late Sir Edward Shirloch Gooch, Bart. Slaw —HILL---On the 20th ult. at St Mary Abb o t' s, Ken sington, Ed w a r d Wingfield ult., Commander R.N , third sou of the Right Hon. F. Shaw, to Louisa Arabella, eldest daughter of his Excellency Colonel Hill, Governor of Sierra Leone. DEATHS. BouwEss—On the 24th ult., at Stoke Hammond, Bucks, Oliver Edmund, the infant sou of the Rev. Theodore and the Lady Julia Bouwens. BEL „ s _oa the 29th ult., at Iledford-square, Mile.eud, Mr. Walter Bullcn. p ussA sy-- . --0.1 the r ,:7th ult., at Lord Sherborne's, Glocester- shire, the Lady Dunsany, aged 41. GINOELL On the 27th ult., at 107, Mount-street, Grosvenor. squire, Mr. Wm. Gingen, aged 74. TURNER—Oa the 30th ult., at Terrace House, Polygon Southampton, John Hornblow Turner, Esq., formerly of Clapham-common, aged 74. WALKER—Oa Saturday last, the 26th Juno, the wife of Mr. John Walker, of the Swan Tavern, Walham-green, greatly lamented by a numerous circle of friends. LONDON Printed and Published by MURDO YOUNG, of Nc. 112, Strand, Printer, at The Sur► Office, No. 112, Strand, in the Precinct of the Savoy, to the county of Middlefiex, Fri , lay, July 2, 1858. Cryst A Lust it by 3 Lead( Vi be du kitet Ti admi: Introc mane • comp LEC'. qu ANyA, nary and Two tom r 58, Priv l Pala Open dren of t' Oft of gait as ti