The Sun. — London, England, 1859-03-26 00:00:00

, THE SUN LONDON SATURDAY EVENING, MARCH 26 1859. , 1 1 _ ,_______-____ _ ._ _ _ , ,• ... that view he had suggested that, before passing the second He could not join with hon. - gentlemen who had attributed changes. There were imperfections in that act. In the first i the British constitutionto be scrambled for at every hustings many said, hut rather to retain the freehold franchise of ' find an impartial jury. (Hear, hear.) They had found it so have arisen-demands bite those of which Mr. Burke spoke reading, they should adept the resolution he had pu 1 upon unworthy, motives to the noble lord ; on the contrary, he place, that act excluded from the franchise those of a cer- in the kingdom ? Is that the course which a Conservative those persons who now had votes in the borough and the on more than one great occasion since the mi n i s t r y came when he said that "an early Refo Bill an honourable the paper, deelaring-" That while this house hay ing, at deeply regretted that such imputations had ever been thrown . tain amount of property and intelligence in the compare- Government would think it their duty to pursue ? I cmmty. Now the ancient system of voting in this country into office. (Cheers.) If the Ministry had misconducted a gement with an opposing power, and a late Reform the opening . of the present session of Parliament, in answer out. (Hear, hear.)' Still, while giving the noble lord credit • tively higher cliisses of society, who were perfectly qualified do not think they would if they could, and do not think was, that every man should vote according to his pro- public affairs a vote of want of confidence would b e a manly Bill was a dishono ble capitulation with a conquering to her Majesty's most gracious speech from the throne, for the highest motives, he could not help asking who was in every respect for the exercise of tho franchise, but did they could if they would. (Cheers, and langhter.) Ido peity for the locality inwhieh he possessed it. That was the motion. (Cheers.) If that motion is to be made, the noble enemy." It was beca he de - sired to see the dangers of this assured her Majesty that they would give to the great sub- to give them a Reform Bill if the present Government could not nevertheless possess the technical qualification of occu- not as yet believe that if that was their intention that this law from the time of Henry VI. to the time of George lord had nothing to do with it-it was a manly st e p, and if latter policy avoided, because he desired to see carried into e ff ec t a po li cy w hi c h was at once t ru i v lib era l an d truly ieet of the state of the laws which regulate the representa- not ? (Cheers.) In what part of the house could theYcom- pying a £lO house. That imperfection, lam perfectly ready house would not be wiser than they. We do not feel stronger 11. A good deal had been said during the pre- their conduct was so improper, he had no d ou bt th e deci tion of the people in Parliament that degree of calm and mand a majority on any question, least of all on this? (Loud to admit,. this bill is calculated to remedy. (Hear,hear.) I than they might feel the duty of Parliament and Govern- sent discussion of the importance of diversity of suffrage ; sien of the house would be one consistent with thei r cha conservative, that he should vote for the resolution, trusts as nr th a t th e ' t wou ld b e t h e •, o f a m easure of impartial consideration which iII proportionate to the mag- cheers.) Who was to be their leaden? _They were apt tO .do not join in the sneering taunts which have been throWn ment towards the constitution of the country ; but I believe but the noble lord waS thnvery person who by his Reform racter as men, and would maintain the independ ence o f the rm w hi c h wou ld b e au h onour to ti e ; p ar liament that nitude of the interests involved in the result of 'their dis- look to the noble lord the member foh hiverton. He had out against what are called " the fancy franchises." (Hear, that this house would not lend its aid to a course which it Bill destroyed so manYvarious kinds of suffrage, and recom- house, and be consistent with the interests of th e c oun t r y. p asse i it , an d a ur it y f or th e w i s d om an d temperance of CUSSiORS, they will without delay Proceed to the nonsidera- done him (Mr. Wortley) the honour to ask him te join hear.) - Some of those qualifications will admit to the fran- thinks would be injurious to theinstitutions of the country. mended Parliament to destroy no less than 250,000 40s. (Loud che ers .) tion of the measures laid before them by . her Majesty's re- his Government, and he had felt- both at liberty and happy chise many who are now excluded, and who are qualified lam confident, therefore, that the belief in the dissolution freeholders in Ireland who were never guilty of any crime, Mr. E. JAMES moved the adjournment of the debate. Parliaments to come. (Cheers.) . p• . s onsible advisers ; but that this house is of o:einion that to do so, but he had felt at the same time that inliii new lby their station in life to exercise it. (Hear, hear.) Another which has been so much bandied all over the town by mem- and who voted according to their conscience. (Hear, hear.) Lord PALMERSTON thereupon rose and said-I wish Mr. H. DRUMMOND considered it a very great minor no settlement of this question will be accept able to the position he should not be arraied againgt his ancient fnends point in which they would naturally have found the arrange- bers of the Government, high and low, is only an attempt Having tried this experiment in corPore vili, the noble lord to say one word with reference to the statement of the hon. tune that they should all be mystified and at cross-purposes, people, or enduring in its character, which does not pro- on the question of reform. (uheers.) He had felt assured ment of 1832 defective was that the occupation franchise in to renew that which was done last year. It is only a vain had now turned round and said that it was unconstitutional and learned gentleman on the subject of the mission of M. scarce ly an y on e knowing whether he was sneaking on a vide, either by modifying the present bill in ec.mmittee or that the noble lord would Propose a reasonable, sensible, the counties was placed too high. They would natu- threat for the purpose of influencing members. (Hear.) not to destroy but to regulate the mode of giving the vote. Ovillard with regard to Lombardy. (He ar , he ar .) Ho did p • c i p l e or me a d e t a il , or w h e ther there was a principle or a otherwise, for maintaining the censtitutional distinction Conservative bill - using th,e tehm Conservative as con- rally, therefore, put in their bill a provision for lower- Then :there is another course that they might pursue, (Cheers.) Such was the argument uPon the score of uni- not propose that Lombardy sh ou ld n e ma d e au i n d e p en d e nt between the county and borough suffrages, for the preser- trained with TorY. (Hear, near.) He had seen the noble ing that County franchise. Some might have agreed which is that they might abandon the bill. Ido not formity and on the law of the question. The noble lord kingdom, but that it should be elected int o a separate duchy detail in the MI. It had been asked why the bill was introduced. vation of the freehold franchises hitherto exercised in the lord standing firat bY the side 4 h!in whom, in his (Mr. to the amotuat propoied by Mr. Henley, £2O- think that they will abandon in (Laughter.) Ido not had applauded the principal provision of this bill, and said connected with the Austria n empi r e. (H ear , lean) Why, because it was forced upon the Government, who counties of England and Wales, and for a more extensive Wortley's) political hero - worship, he had divans looked (cheers from the Government side)-others might have been suspect them of such a want of due sense of the duty it would add 390,000 to the franchise of England, and then Mr. WHITESIDE, speaking across th e table, was under. brought it in to keep themselves in their pla.ces. (Laughter right of voting therein, as well as for a re-adjustment on with the utmost veneration -namely, Mr. Canning, the in favour of placing it at £lO. At the same time I must which they have to perform-(more laughter)-as to made a minor clause the foundation of his muddy resolu- stood to say, " Then I Must have been mistaken," or "It f rom th e opposition.) And now, what was the opposition on of the suffrage, and its wider extension, in cities e ereat chamPion e of °, ll r e constitution. (Cheers.) • In 1832 he concur in the statement that that £lO franchise for counties believe that they would abandon the bill after having • tion, and insinuated that that was its main PrinciPle. The is my mistake." the ot h er s id e ?It w as a triangular duel, th e ques ti on being and boroughs, than is contemplated in the Present bill." had seen the e nchin,e 'or° contented with the bill, and think- never.has been confirmed by this house. The last bill was deliberately undertaken to propose to Parliament a mea- noble lord was the parent of Parliamentary reform. He The debate was then adjonr n ed un til M on d a y nex t . AR) BILL. ' (H ear , hear.) That was the substance of his resolution, but ing thatit went quite far enough. In 1854 there was some read a second time ; but I voted for the second reading dis- sure of Parliamentary Reform. My conviction, I will had bills of all sorts, shapes, and dimensions. He had bills PATENTS FOR INVENTIONS (muessehoNs OF which one of thr noble lords should be at the _head o k f the forms of the house would not allow it to compe t e w i t h di s pl a cement in. the Cabinet. The noble lord separated him- tinctly because it did not identify the county and borough not say has been, but my conviction all along has in 1852 and 1854, and carried neither. He thought the affairs. There wer ee manyegentlemen in that house who too , , th a t o f the noble lord, but which he should have the onpor- self for a short time from his colleagues ; and it was under-. frenchises but simply professed to lower or amend the law been that if this house were by a majority to affirm the Government ought not to carry a bankruptcy bill, and This bill . o wa ni s y p L :i s s yn s i e Ea d i l i t . hrough committee. credit for being independent members • but somehow or tunity of moving as an amendment, if th e no bl e f er d/ s s t oo d that the disagreement was on the question of reform, in regard to the county franchise ; and it was left open to principles involved in the resolution of my:noble friend, the brought in one, and put it side by side with the Govern- MUNICIPAL ELECTIONS BILL. other he i lie er _perceived that th m• de t pendent members (Ru ss ell) should come to be put as the main question. He and on tne subject of the bill which the noble lord (Lord discussion in committee just as are all the points in the bill Government would feel it their duty to go on with their bill. ment bill. But he had produced no bill with respect to This bill was read a third time and pa sse d. , acted : ll v differently from the d:pe se d m be (Loud t rus ted, however, that that necessity would not arise, and J. Russell) had introduced. (B ear, hear.) He (Mr. before the house. (Hear, hear.) As to the borough fran- And I should ask no engagement on their part to adopt the Parliamentary reform. He defied any man to tell from the The other orders were then disposed of, and th e house He could not understand u Z the•Twe r ;e: on that laugh . e - h f he saw some symptoms which led him to believe it lik e ly- 'Wortley) had felt therefore satisfied that they would have chise, I confess that for a considerable time I entertained a resolution, because the power of the majority which carried noble lord's speech what his opi n i ons were . (Hear, hear.) adjourned at ten mimites hi oneo'clock. n r•) obliged to range themselves with one or ot er o hi oh, oh")-for in the course of the debate, and in those from the noble lord's (Lord Palmerston's) Government strong opinion that the £lO franchise ought to be main- the resolution would compel them to adopt it, and, therefore, It had been said, what business had a Tory Government t n fle Pa l e t° s t e s °n . c r " co lo mbatants instead of taking the independent line. He conversationswhich occurred betwee n mem b ers i n th e lobby, no violent measure of reform. But if he did not intro- tained ; but lam free to admit, on furth er consideration- it would be childish to direct any threats to them. lam to introduce a Reform Bill ? Mr. Pitt brought in a Reform • , . . . • h i t • m e self would not vote under a mask ; he would state at and the communications which occasionally tonic place be- duce a violent measure, what hope would he now have (cheers from the Government side)-th a t it would be a good satisfied they would not so far shrink from a performance Bill, and advocated it twice and thrice over ; and he should CO UNTI? r MARKETS. o co that if the m ure went into co ittee he should tween them out of the house, it was admitted by lion, gen - of finding a majority ? (Hear, hear.) Such being the case, Conservative measure to lower it, so as to admit the better of their duty as to reject a resolution which had been af- be glad to know whether, according to the true principle n ote with the noble lord (J. Russell). Any Refo Bill ~,,, fiest o „ tlemen that the resolution of the no ble lord had got them he (Mr. Wortley) hoped the noble lord's vote would not be and more instructed part of the working men. (Hear, hear.) firmed by the house. But if I had entertained any doubts of Conservative policy, the present Government were not v must, as it appeared to him, consist of t P`"'''' 4 ' ' - into confusion and that the result would probably be to de- recorded in favour of the amendment. Cheer Last This bill no doubt contains arrangements which, indepen- on this subject the would have been entirel removed bas well entitled to brin in a measure of Parliamentary re extension of the franchise ; secondly, the disfranchisement ei b d u:in; . . feat the intention with which it was brought forward. when a resolution was proposed by an lion. ge s nileman Y (M ea r r ! dently of' any lowering, would hive a tendency' to aamit the candid explanat Y ions of the Secretary . to Y the Treasury Y . form, and carry it, as t g he noble lord, if they considered c u b: l u g ye: r n . s e r a a i t l o y u r s i i ) ai e a a k i r k n e g t of some places which had members ; thirdly, the giving of (Hear.) He confessed he was startled at th statement , f M. Gibson) the noble lord had no difficulty in perceiving some of those classes. Ido not join with those who think He has stated that every part of the bill is liable to altera- such a measure to be just, expedient, and useful ? (Hear, r r 4 1: 1 ;:a o - n n C I : 0:0 I t b f ss . a together was flat. Wheat in some members to some other places. Whether the should esta the Chancellor of theExchenuer, afterwarde;eph h ated , by tr c ie the object which had dictated it- (Hear.) Unfortunately that the deposit in savings bank s w o u ld ne a null provision, tion according to the decision of the house in committee. hear.) What was the ground on which the bill was not to latish a u ifo f chi -of £lO, go do Y to universal noble lord the Secretary for India, that the itimatitY oetween on that occasion that motion received the support of the (Hear,. hear.) But, nevertheless, and in addition. to them, Prom that assertion, coupled with the declaration of the be consideted ? The noble lord admitted that it would add seffra n h th ra t u li ge-w e er e 7beuld dis or chise 13 borouelis or the county and . borough franchise was thejsrinciple of the gentlemen who now sat on the Ministerial side of thehouse, my opinion is that some reduction ought to be made in the Chancellor of the Exchequer yesterday, it is practically im- 390,000 to the constituency. The reduction of the borough holders were no inclined to submit to any reduction on the 30-whether they s o give h Y uld 10 or 20 embe to laces t• m of d rs • had bill. It was evident that the noble lord (J . Russell) was as well as of the hon. gentleman (Mr. Gibson) and the noble amount of the £lO borough franchise. (Hear, hear.) I possible that the Government can recede, and therefore I freehold franchise was from 45,000 to 50,000. On which rates of last market day. Flour was little inquired for, and f i c t il e y h e a s s il e d must. be noted lower to sell. Indian corn attracted little which now had none, _was . o t nly_ a e cp t i i e n s e ni e of t e k g e re b e in. As not of that opinion, or to be consistent he must have pro- lord the member for the City. (Hear.) But the noble lord feel quite as forcibly as others that you ought not, by ad- hold them bound to conform to the decision which the house side would be the benefit and advantage to the public ? He attention, and all descriptions of yellow are quoted fully nothing whatever to ci a o wi hth p p posed throwing out the bill ley the eLedinary amendment of (Lord Palmerston) had no difficulty, at that time, in descry- nutting a large majority of the least instructed of the corn- may make on the motion of my noble friend. And if any had received a letter from a person in the district of Mary he did not how they were Id per cental lower than on this day se'nnight ; white is that day six months. He (mr. Ss vv ertleY) had read the ing the object of the motion, if those who now sat on the munity, and of those who have the least property, to over- zentlemen have entertained a doubt that the passing lebone, stating that, witli a £l5 franchise, two-thirds he remarked w ti s i r: fi cs an a e go . , e. He did not care aboutslang held for the advance of ld. . Oats.and oatmeal dull, and tho to put any li bill, and could not find that i e clanaity of franchise was the . Ministerial benches had. For what did the noble lord say ? whelm the influence of intellig en c e and property. lam of this resolution may cause - this opportunity of set- of the artisans in that district would have votes'. If terms. ouse H uu hold suff rating suffrage, and manhood principle, and 99 out of 100 wum read it through without He told the house it would be idle to suppose that if the quite ready to admit that it is not merely ignorance that tling this great question to *be lost, I entreat these gentle- that were so, how could any man argue that the bill turn easier. Egyptian beans are ld to 2d. per cental lower. suffrage were, e suppos h ed ilintended to re the identity guessine that it was. (Hear.) He considered the identity amendment were carried theY could go back to discuss the ought to be excluded • but that those who have no pro- men to discharge that aPprehension from their minds, be- did not deserve consideration ? He considered the admis- Peas and barley without change. of the voter ; and therefore q ' the uestion was sim 1 ne of p y 0 of franc t hine a bad feature of the bill, but it was but f - 't aea second reading of the bill ; for there could only be one perty ought not to be he persons to direct the legislation cause I say that the Government are now pledged to the sion of the principle of personal property a wise and just The arrivals from Ireland and coastwise since Tuesday re With regard to the ballot, though nothing could stituted th ' • t ur e, and no more e 4 ?n , e principle than any other interpretation placed upon the motion. So he (Mr. Wort. applicable to those who have. (Hear.) :Subject to those declaration made in this house-are pledged, notwithstand- principle. .It must admit many thousands of persons, and have been light. From foreign ports we have received Innellin d e '• hi t 've a ret vote, he believed that if the 1,375 qrs wheat, 3,446 qrs Indian corn,. and 1,375 sacks flour. ' ever in uce m te o gi feature. The objechon nf enteitained to the noble lord's ley) said of the present resolution-its only object was provisions, lam perfectly convinced that a reduction might ing the decision of the house, to go on with the bill, and to therefore the benefit was on the side of the public. But it suffrage were ex nded so as to admit the working classes the resolution was that it professed one thing and did another. plainly to defeat the settlement of the Reform question. he made, and I think ought to be made, in the borough alter It in committee in accordance with the resolution. had been said, " 'What have you done for the working r rhe exports, in the same time, comprise 3,871 qrs of wheat, 3,205 qrs. oats, 275 qrs. Indian corn, 1,553 Backe and 128 for th ir tectio So far as the ballot would be neeessary e . pro .n. . (cheers.) It Professed not to destroy the bill, but it would 'Lord J. RUSSELL-The settlement of the Reform ques- franchise. (Hear, hear.) There is another point to which And if they do not choose to do that, they will be forced to classes F" The noble lord would admit a few capable and had one, it had made entirely in favour of the non. . barrels of flour. debate f r g . . Hear hear have that effecn ( , .) It admitted the principle tion in this way ? (Cheers.) the attention of the Govermnent would naturally be directed do it. (Cheers.)' On other points on which objections may worthy men-very few, no doubt. Another noble lord . member o Bi g ham. He had only to sit still and in five of the bill / and worse, it admitted the principle of the Mr. S. WORTLEY had been arguing that there was no -the question whether some transference of seats ought not be raised they are ready, as they repeatedly told us, to prove would admit them en masse. The hon. member for Ohl- . - y the house must swa ow ll his bill. The Would have f the francm identitY ° ; --se-(hear, hear)-for the noble other way. (Loud cheers.) He did not mean to say that to be made from same of the smaller constituencies to those their case. That is a matter for the committee. No doubt ham would deal with them in the same way as the slaves WAKEFIELD-MARCH 25. - ears 1 k hth • good bad Y f their di to eat the ep ,_w e ert e e r vT i r: d or the or t lord's resolution only referred to the rights of the free- there was no other scheme; but there was no other party in places which have either grown into importance since 1832, will arise with regard to these points, and the only difficulty were dealt with, and admit them at once. The right hon. Mederat upplies fin ry gen firsor the coast and by railevay gestion. . The h hoidens and the requirement of a further extension, 0 , f the house that could carry one. (Renewed cheers.) But or which by thei r i m m ense increase of :population have which is apprehended with regard to the two questions has member for Halifax would admit them to some extent. this week e The whe e' at trade th be . ell' af m 7 of the t i rking classe7 Im lle (Mr. to-day, and the busi tlemen wi mg rai the borough franchise. The resolution of the nom now with regard to the noble lord the member for the city, becom e t oo l arge f or a si ng l e representati ve . The bill con- been met. I have said it is not my intention to go into the What the right hon. gentleman said was deserving of con- ness done was v li ited t ore hl w of the wor ' classes than ery m i ,_ a i a i n advance of -fully ls Drummond) was no ß m bird was therefore illogical accordi n g to his own view. But what was his position ? He (Mr. Wortley) well remem- tains a provision for that purpose, and lam not disposed to abstract- question. I thank my noble friend for having sideration, first; because he was afraid of the working on l as t we ne s • t th ot in fact, all afraid of prices. Fne Eng sh barley scarce, and of any other class. u were ey n , _ s _ men the bill had good in it, and it had bad in it. The good he bered what the noble lord said with reference to the motion quarrel with the Government for the limited extent of that moved the resolution which has drawn the attention of classes ; secondly, because he spoke not unkindly of the dear. Beans and other articles unchanged. e nother 9 When a manufacturer selected one of ms Mr. S. Wortle y) would preserve and increase, and the bad eif General Gascoigne in 1831. The motion was not pro- provision. (Hear, hear ) lam of opinion that a great rids- the house pointedly to the two principles evhich, if they Government ; and thirdly, because he spoke reasonabl Y. Wheat, per qr. of 8 bushels' 60lb , Essex, Sff , d le n d a made hi • m head-overseer of his works, did he not take fie ould s ' w _ hike out. The first good in the bill, as it oc. posed as an amendment to the second reading of the Reform take and much wrong reasoning prevails with rezard to the had remained in the bill, would have prevented the olnior- The right hon. gentleman would admit a fair proportion of Kent, whith, o fd, 47 s t 0 :49 6 . s ne . 45 th 48 u di ar an , w, s s ; tto, red, D'd h t tak 't if there was any possi- . security. (No.) i eno e i n t if curred to him, was tha+ from first to last it made no men- Bill and so far it was less objectiona ' • • „ , ble in point of form smaller constituencie s . (H ear , h ear. ) Th e l arge towne are tunity of settling this question. I agree with those on the the working classes, and that proposition he could under- old, 41s to 48s ; new, 39s to 42s ; Lincolnshire and York •lity f tt• git 9 (No.l Did the house suppose t a bi oge in . tion of .the ballot' ` 4 " _ , see et al i the power i nto th e ir own hands, _ e _ . . •(` Hear," and Oh.") There were than the Present one. General Gascoigne did not raise a field where men who live in those communities, who have other side of the house, and especially with the hon. gen- stand and reciprocate, but not their admission en indsse. s hi re w hit e , new , 41 s t o 45 s ; re d , eg e t 4O 0 s. the woraane cias g mours in the autumn that there was to be some attempt any objection to the principle of the bill ; his motion was acquired wealth, character, and position in commerce and geman who spoke last, and I should have looked with A complaint had been made iteainst his right hon friend 6 f the whole burden of taxation to ra Averages for the week : they would not trans er to deal with this subject in the Government bill, but he re- merely an instruction to the committee, and was intended to manufactures, are naturally the objects of the choice of those great concern at those agitatiens which 'mi ht h 0 th StfthC 1 • b ' h • • . g av gone e ecre ary or e o ernes wit respect to the exclusion d ever one of Wheat . 2,261 qrs., at 41s 4d others ? Why, of course they would ; an y . o ae wo ot id not occur in it. indicate what the parts of the measure were to which he constituencies. The counties, on the other hand, are fields on during the ensuing autumn and winter in every county of the working classes. What his right hon. friend said oiced t find th t th rd " ball " cl . them would do t e h same, although they seemed so very J eee Berle y......... 452 . „ 37s 6ad • was glad to find that there was no attempt to trifle with objected. But what said Lord Althorp ?He said that the where gentlemen of landed property, gentlemen connected and borough in the kingdom. I presume there is no man was to caution the house against raising hopes and ex. , i Supposing half-a-dozen of 11 Oats , -s -d mnch shocked. (Laughter. that which he considered to be a delusion and a hateful de- amendment would destroylthe bill. And what did the noble with county concerns, naturally expect echfind seats in this in this house who has taken an interest in this matter who pectaticins that could not be satisfied ; but -- he never said, . -- ff 11 . g through a desert, and one of them had Rye - them were trave in estab- house. But • of s vice-( e , ) and e believed that if it were lord (Lord J. Russell) himself say ?He said n the motion there is a laree amount of intelligence, hae not been inundated with plans of Parliamentary reform. and never meant to say, that he nailed resist an c e to h ar hear. - h • If -FS --cl and. the remaining five had none, Beans 55 „ 43s 9 1 d gotht camel-load of food, lished for a ear it would be as un ular in En land as it was a iece of arli enta t • s e e• t• • •• e ' 1 of woul d not th e fi ve h e lp themselves the very first day ? . 3' . Pep . g . P 1 3 am rY ache , bron,ht forward, in - knowledge, of capacity of educa lon, residin,,, in c asses There is not a day On which we do not receive from some the mast, and would give nothing t o th e wor ki ng c l asses. Peas .... 28 „ 4os Od was in every place where 1 . . t had been applied. The right deed, by the hon. and gallant general, but concocted by men included neither in the one nor the other of these- correspendent some written paper or printed pamphlet- The provisions of the bill proved an intention to admit (Laughter.) It might sound very well to talk of trans hon. member for Oxfordshire the other night remarked how more wily advisers-houd cheers)-by which an attempt (hear, hear)-and. these small beroughki s whatever may be some plan of his. 'And if this question were hung up for the working classes. In the City of London, the .- ferring taxation • from the poor to the rich ; but there was a • • painful it was to go about for a month or two wearing a was made to bring together all the enemies of the bin, and the theoretical objections urged agamst them, are fields' in public diecus - Sion for the next twelve montns, I need not, great bulk of those who had no hou s e s w ou ld EXETER-MAR= 25. - fallacy involved in such language. There could be no em•• mask. Establish the ballot and every man in England to entrap such of its friends as might be dupes and gulls" which men of that description, who have been most Useful in lau sure, paint out to the houie the public inconvenince be admitted. But ilhe noble lord had never pr o . An average attendance. Many of the samples were in ployment of the poor without the accumulation of capital, veould weay a mash. (Conservative cheers : ) . It would de- -houd cheers)-and then the noble lord warned the house the deliberations of this house, may obtain access ,to Parlia- which wduld Arise. I therefore can only repeat my hope duced a bill that admitted any, and now he called upo n th e better condition, and at an improvement in prices. and nothing tended more than that did to benefit the poor. The hon. member for Birmingham said that the strength T s roy public morality and public respensibihty, and encou- not to fall into tbe snare. He (Mr. Wortley) hoped the ment (Hear, hear.) And I think that it would be a great and expectation that this resolution will be carried by a ma- house to refuse to discuss a clause that must admit a - vh thi d s ea , w te.. 5s 0 to 5s 2d I Barley. rep every man to deceive his neighbour. The whole noble lord would see the present amendment in the same misfortune if, on the one band, none but men c,onnected with jority, which lam quite sure is adequate to express the greater or lesser number-to discuss the clause relating to Ditto n e d e s gd t o 5 8 od 0 t 4s Od to 4s 31 a s .. . 2s 10d te 38 Od and glory of this countrylay in its mannfaetures. He added, ~ system of the ballot was foreign to our institutions, and ab- light; for had he any hope, either with or without the aid commerce and manufactures should be returned to this opinion of Paliament, and there can be no doubt whatever savings banks and. lodeers, which were in favour of the Flou r , n ue ee s t o el s " See how they best all the manufactures of the world. • seconds 2 s to 28s per sack. horrent to the genius of the people. There was positive as of the hon. gentlemen around him, to carry a Reform Bin? house, or if, on the other, none but men who by peculiar cir- that the measure will be so framed as to be in accordance working classes. (Heal., hear.) He had considered most r , -eh ' ' 7 - That was not true. There was not a single manufacture vATTLE--A ue market was fairly supplied with stock. well as negative good in the bill. There was the extension (Cheers.) Had the hon. member forßirmingham any hope? cumstances have acqnired a great Public character-as e for with the principles laid down by my noble friend. (Cheers.) attentively the !observation of his right hon. friend (Mr. The att d that was net better in foreign countries than. in England. u l en ance of farmers( good. Pork carcases a large of the count•y franchise. Putting aside the question as to They had all heard of the hon. gentleman's bill, but he ap- instance, the hon. anti learned member far Sheffield, who Mr. WHITESIDE said nothing could be more ungrateful Walpole) that the reduction of the franchise from £5O to £lO (Oh, oh.) Those were sounds which were never heard in e Manchester or Birmingham. (Laughter.) With all their the 40s. freeholds, there was the reduction of the copyhold peared to be very timorous of exposing it to the atmosphere has no particular connehtion with Sheffield, but who owes than to dwell on the vices. of the system under which they would be dangerous and unconstitutional ; and he had ;„,! . ) t u f . , p sco c rie,losod to lls Ewes, per lb :...-d to 61c1 and the leasehold franchises from XlO to £5, both of which of that house, and he had not allowed even a corner of it to his seat to his position as a public man-I should say that lived, and to point out rather .its abuses than to dwell listened with some surprise to the remark of the right hon. p or n Arkwright inventions, and their spinning-jennies, they had Is . es, . o 7sod hi 8: Od Wethern doe_ n ndto Od Would extend the number of voters, and there was the great peep out. (Laughter.) It was the little mouse which had it was a great misfortune if the house only contained men on its excellencies. They were taught by a philosopher gentleman (Mr. Cardwell), that there would be no more Lambesar° never to this day been able to mike such muslins as were 1 5 i p _OUt Od Fat calves, d0....5d . to 6d extension of all, the reduction of the occupation franchise run into his pocket, and which he took care not to let escape. of that description-(a laugh)-and if there were no means called divine that they should deal with their country as freedom in England if this franchise in boroughs should made by the native Hindoos. The linen of England was Rough fat, nad per lb. £5O to £lO, a step he had always considered danger- (Renewed laughter.) No man could better explain his views, by which young men who had not had the opportunity of they dealt with their parents, " with entreaty and persua- prevail in counties, and that variety' of suffrage was essential worse than that of Scotland, the linen of Scotland worse from - ous, and which he had always voted against. Then with or put them m a more attractive form. He had done his acquiring distinction, or making themselves sufficiently re- sion, but not by contestation." Chatham and Burke, and to the maintenance of liberty. Now, was there any sense than that of Ireland ; and the very best Irish linen was BRISTOL SUGAR-MAR= 25. regard to boroughs, there was the lodger franchise . , which best to advance his pmject of reform. He had been listened markable to be elected by large constituencies, could find Pitt and Fox, had failed every one of them to carry a ram- in that ? (Laughter.) What would become of th e people inferior to that of Silesia. (" No," from Mr. Kirk.) The transactions are few, and those at rather lower rates. would widen the circle of representation and bring m thou- to; he had been judged ; and the result was that the people their way into this house. (Hear.) If the Government, ob- sure of Parliamentary Reform, and why ? Because ihe of Ireland ? There was a nl2 occupation clause Au. the Their cloth manufacture was inferior to those of France The trade generally is dull, there being no assortment at sands of voters ; and there were the annuitants (which was would not have his bill. (Loird cheers.) The hon. gentle. serving how the act of 1832 had worked, and discovering in it mind of the nation was never with them. Tf they could for whole of Ireland. In boroughs there - w as a r a ti ng o f ss, and Belgium. Their ships were inferior to the French, and market. Refiners' goods are rather easier, the demand not open to further extension in committee), the savings bank man was proud of the title of Tribune of the People, which these different imperfections and faults, had addressed them- a moment look at tbe principles of Parliamentary reform which was equivalent -to a £lO or he': letti ng . nene v ac - American ships. (Oh, oh.) Some of the best they had being at all active. Rum quiet. Prices steady. depositors, and the . personal or professional franchises, had been well given to him, for he had been their activ e selves to apply a remedy to those particular defects, . my that the great statesmen to whom he had referred illustrated cording to the right hon. gentleman if a balance should be were captured during the last war • and when th.ey tried to which would bring in a great many more. Looking at and their honest advocate. (Cheers.) But it had happened opinion is, if' their - measure had been tramed in a reasonable by the splendour of their eloquence, they would discover struck at 110 the liberties of th e p eo pl e wou ld b e gone . lay vessels down on the same lines in this country they these provisions, it was impossible to say that there was no to him as it had happened to the Tribunes of old. The manner, and sufficiently liberal to secure the concurrence what ought to be the principles on which this question (Laughter.) Now did the house belie ve th a t if a bill h a d could not. In glass they were beaten by Venice, Spain, and extension of the franchise-it was a wilful closing of their people admired his eloquence and courage ; they respected of those who are attached to the constitution, but who wish should be popularly discussed. They said it should be en- been brought in fram e d i n th e manner suggested by the RAILWAY INTELLIGENCE. Bohemia. They were told the other day that their best he suf- his honest • but the would not have hie bill eyes, to say that they could see no enlargement of t y , y , . (Ch eers ) If to see it strengthened by improvement, that the fol- tertained where the undue influence of the Crown was exere right hon. gentleman-na.melynith a £2O franchise forcoun • prim • ting machines were made in America. The railways . frage ui the bill. (Hear, hear.) As the right hon. gentle- the noble lord succeeded the Glovernment might still, in lowing which they have behind them, combined with the cised-when the House of Commons was a corrupt parent ties-that the noble lord would have availed himself of that TRAFFIC RETURNS FOR THE WEEK. of this country were aged worse than those of France, man the member for Strood (Mr. Horsman) had shown no- spite of that-at the expense, no doubt, of some sacrifice support they would have received from the independent and corruption was its offspring. When the sympathy ground for impeachine the bill ? (Hear, hear.) The prin- Ger ny, and Belgium. Now, let the house turn to the - thing could be more ea,sy then to render the ' measure as and some humiliation-but still they might accept th e portion of the house, would have enabled them to carrY a between the representative and the represented was de- ciple had been debatecrfour or five times, and had b een f w i ce - other side of the question, and consider the case of aericul efficient as they pleased. In fact the bill might have been course which he (Mr. Wortley) tendered to them. If fh e y measure, and to settle for a time (finality is out of the ques- parted, and when them was a control over the conduct affirmed ; and if the bill had not.carried out that p • ci l p e Railways. Miles Opened. Receipts. ,______....______, ~....__-..-______% ture. There were 20,000,000 inhabitants of England and drawn on purpose to invite amendment. All that was ne- did not accept his offer they must resign, and lea ve th e n o bl e tion), but for a certain period of time, in a manner satisfae- of the legislature by the executive. The undue influence the first thing that would have been done would have been 45,000,000 of F ce. For our 20,000,000, 18,000,000 of 18.59. 1858. 1859. 1858. &miry to do would be to make the first clause, by the orais- lord or the hon. member for Birmingham t o fo rm an a d m i n i- tory to the country, the question which now agitates this of the Crown was gone, the corruption of the legislature to endeavour to defeat the' measure on that very ground. cattle were *sed; for the French 45,000,000, but 10,000,000 - - - - sion of a few lines, refer to the boroughs only ; and if they stration. (Cheers.) Their only other alternative was a dis- house and the country. (Hear, hear.) For, though lamof no longer existed, . and the control of the legielature (Hear, hear.) Now, what had the noble lord the member 4 X of cattle were provided. Again in sheep, we furnished Ballymena and Portrush... 35 35 - - t the count franchises into the second clause there solution. Loud h then pn y , ( c eers and counter cheers.) He hoard it opinion that there is a desire for a certain okange, 'still the by the executive was destroyed. The appointment for London said to justify the house in adopting his con*. 60,000,000, while the French lead to do with 32,000,000 Would be an end to that principle, or rather feature of iden- whispered that the Government had mad th • •d t state of the count is utterl different from what it was in o f a vice-con ul t eup eir min s o ry . y , s o Japan could not now escape the eye of sions ? Three very distinguished persons had very unequi- Bedale and Leyburn lO 10 94 81 only. The produce of England was 20 hectolitres per acre; tity which had be nso much ob'e ted to (He h ) d' 1 • • ' Belfast and Ballymena j c . . ar, ear. isso ve. New, his right hon. friend (m r . waip o i e ) had 1830, 1831, 1832. At that time the greater "art of the large Parliament. (Hear, hear.) What remained on which any vocally expressed their opinion uponthe merits of the reso- 13 if tdc • D eas an ounty own 2O 17 65 65 1 048 1,077 of France it was but 10 hectolitres. Thus while for every . , P . . . 419 271 Tnere were many things in the bill of which he reatl a - alread warn th gy p y ed e Government ag a i ns t th a t s t e p, an d no communities had no share whatever in tne legislation of principle could be discussed, except whether it would not be lution under discussion. The right hon. member for Birkd., Lane., & Ches. June. 32 32 2,495 2 201 person in England half an ox and three sheep were pro- - 7 d A t th th f • rove . mongs o ers ere was, or instance, the pro- man could speak with greater calmness of a dissol u ti on , for this house, because they were utterly unrepresented. It was expedient to infuse new blood into the body politic ;to ex- Coventry (Mr. Ellice), whose attachment to the cause of r e . Blyth and Tyne 2O 13 1,615 1,118 vided, them was for the French but one-third of an ounce 1 1 posal about voting papers. His belief was that that would his seat was safe. He (Mr. Wortley) did not know whether then said truly that Gatton and Old Sarum were a reproach tend the area of representation, and to give to all who de- form no one doubted, had proclaimed his cond e ati o Bristol and Exeter llB 117 5,500 4,898 of beef.- (Hear.) Thus the only thing in which we were n of Caledonian l9Bl 11 9 11 11,806 11,572 prove a substantial extension at least of an exercise of the he was in the samelsosition, but be believed he was. (A to our representative system, and that there were cities unre- served it a tight to be represented, if they fairly and rea- the resolution, and that conde atio n owl e t t o conv i nce supenor • to all other nations in the world was that which ge, a,nd that it would bring to the poll a very valuable laugh.) He would entreat tbe . Gevernment if they wished presented larger than the London of our ancestors. The sonably asked for it ? (Hear, hear.) That was the only the noble lord of the Opinion entertain e d by an i m • 1 Ches.&llolyhead(with3lold) 94 - - was fostered by the capital of our country gentlemen. rra partm Cockermouth & Workington 8 8 - - f electors who at present did not vote. (Hear hear.) ' to settle the uestion onsafe mai 1 q . p pes and if they venerated only way in which th ose pl aces cou ld b e rep resen t e d was by principle at issue in the present day. The attention of public. A noble earl had expressed himself equally unequi- Cork and Bandon (Hear, hear and laughter.) The most extraordinary 20 20 250 335 as to s o th d f fr . d h uld 1 d 'dth t ' As . e anger o au ,e co easi yun erstan .. a our institutions to pause before they resorted to that step. taking members from a large number of the smallboroughs. Parliament had been called to this question by the Sove- vocally. The hon. member for Stroud had mad e a s p eec h Cork, Biaekrock,,e ; ' , asset:h. oe 61 185 200 thing which ' the honourable member for Birmingham said sh elections, where there was no great üblic o mum (Hear, hear ) Let th m em e rem ber what took pl a ce in the At present the number of great communities which require reign ; two Ministers atterepted ; to adjust it - they failed. which hon. gentlemen opposite laughed at. It was o h en t o Deeside • 17 17 212 • 182 was, that he was a Conservative, a statement which he 111 P en a h rttl • tke t P t• li ' ' azi Iv . ere veey i e pains were a i t i o preven imuoper country in 1830, -when the passions of the people were said- representation, or counties that require division is smaller ; The present Government next introduced a bill, and it had this strong objection, that it was t rue _ e af •t Dublin & Belfast Junction followed up with the assertion that the House of Lords very WOr 0 i Dublin and Drogheda 63 •63 1,537 1,443 prac ice!, voting_ papers were liable o abuse ; but if the denly roused, and no moderate counsels were listened to. therefore it does not follow, because there was a large dis- been so variously described, as vicious and beneficial, as being strictly a n d faithfully true. The hon. gentleman ex- D b u . &Wicklow(in.Kingst.) 401 101 1,193 1,092 • tible with the liberties of the country. It was was incompa suggestions of his right hon. friend (Mr. Walpole), Or some There were elements of danger amongst the masses ; and franchisement in 1832, that there should be a demand for aristocratic and democratic, as conservative and revolution- pressed his opinions on the subject with a c ourage f • 610 434 ' 'true as the hon. member said, that the last reform very * , ethers that might be made, were adopted, there would be in such times the worst men became the most powerful, another disfranchisement now. I say, then, that if the ary, as possessing these several attributes at the same mo- nem, an honesty of purpo se which, aft e r th e mem - ' a ef. a tff; s litt l e k an d A E rt L r n ot kiiien 57 35 bill was a struggle for power between two classes. But this th, & Abel.. Jun. 3 7 1. i 3 7 1 i 1V 1 58C 2 4 0 reason thapprehend fraud. If any proof were wanted and were elevated to the position of leaders. He implored Government had contented themselves with a measure of rnent, that one was reminded of Archbishop Whately's argu- debate should have passrd away, would a l wa y s a un d t o Dundee Per ,09' bill was likewise a struggle for power and while the three n (lithe necessity for some such plan he need only refer to the the Government not to dissolve ; let no expectation of in- that sort, lam justified in saYing that theY would have had ment for the non-existence of Napoleon Bonaparte, in Cep' his credit as a publi c man . That h on . - • Ea t A '0•1' 67/ • 671 930 866 gentleman said that s n, ian noble lords were fighting. their triangular duel, a power was hich would E.Counties,Nrtk.,&E.Union 489 489 22,357 22,302 turn which had 'tut been üblished with re ard to the creasin their stren h tem t e j p g .g . gt pthm to a course which might no great difficulty in passing that measure, w . sequence of the impossibility of . the opposite qualities by on comparing each of the noble lord's bills with the present arising up behind them like a wave of the sea. Hon. gen- r e East Kent l9l - 239 - borough of Marylebone, where out of 21,000 voters only peril the institutions of the country. (Hear, hear.) have given credit to themselves and satisfaction to the hich w he was described being found in the same individual. bill, they might as fairly have been met with' aprf • tlemen had seen the waves on the sea shore ; they could 0 000 had olled. Cheers At the resent time there • Viscount PALMERSTON-My right hon. friend has country. They have introduced into the bill principles (Hear, hear.) The Hght hon. gentle Man the member for resolution-that the bill mi ht be a dd- h rehmmllrY b i lLaneashire(in.Blackburn) 111 105 6,164 5,176 mark how each wave came up, but they never saw it retire 1 4_,_ p ' t " ( h .) ke tf p the " f' ' totally inconsistent with the constitution, and which would Wilts described th 1 • g men etat t e exist Edinburgh and Glasgow , 142 142 5,479 5,033 e opposi e side as being so divided into ing rights of the freeholders were maintained, and that the Edinboro% Perth & Dundee 78 ~, , , 78 2,886 2,947 -one wave followed closely on the other. So it would " th • e nattny glue men w . o were . p rot% th exercise o d eir privilege by the inTnivemences whic ey dreade , challenged my vote againstthe amendment upon the ground commit an act of injustice to • freeholders, disfranchisinff parties and sections, that there was no chance of their agree- right of thei • • be in this case, and he warned the house therefore to of that which I stated upon. the motion of Mr. Gibson in r posterity might be considered. That would Forth & Clyde Junction e s pecially m times of excitement, from their attendance at _ 100,000 Of than. Well, by sonie mistake-mistakes will ing in any one point, and perhaps that was the reason that be a fair subject for discussion and dely t t e . 1 re f Furness - 988 1,000 be careful in the course which it was about to take. He erence to th e polling-b oo th. (Hear, hear.) Having said so much regard to the amendment that he moved. lam sorry that happen in the best regulated families-(laughter)-by sonee they found such qualities m the measure of the Govern- the advice of the noble lord the m c b f or n T• Glasgow & South-Western. 1831 1831 6 324 6,056 felt that it was quite impossible for any set of men er iverton, he about what he considered to be good points in the bill, he I must disappoint the expectations of my right hon. friend, sort of mistake, a provision intended to exempt from the ment. (Hear.) The right hon. gentleman said he was thought he could give him a plain m :nd Great Northern 283 283 20,811 20,819 sitting on that (the Government) side of the house tchbrine em hatie answer P . • Great North of Scotland had now no hesitation itt adverting to what he thought was operation of the provision all the existing freeholders hap- dissatisfied with the bill because it made the franchise uni- The noble • lord said the reeolution w in any measure of this kind which would not excite distrus7 (Hear, hear.) Because I do not think that there is any as not intended to nt.Southn. & Westn.(lrlnd.) 229 2031 5,885 6 385 ~ . bad. First and foremost there was the transfer of borough • - pened to be foreotten though it has since been laid on the f e , -. orm. He said he could not assent to a lowering of the affect the bill nor to affect the Ministry ;he had no inten- ;Teat Western , 466 466 26,925 25,203 on the other side. It was also very well for mem to say ree o ers om e counties to the towns. He must con- . f hld fr th similarity whatever between the two cases, lam goine to s 0 -able of the house. Well, then, th e y i n their bill provide county franchise from £5O to £lO. But the right hon. tion of the kind. No ; Government will take back null and Holderness they would give it a patient hearing, but the house knew d'al h • the fess that at first si ht he thoueht this ro osal would afford give my cor i support to t e resolution of m noble friend. for n idenefication of the t ' y , a i own and. county franchise, de- gentleman had, as a member of The Government, assented bill and amend it ; the answer he had to give the oble inverness h Aberdeen June. 57 15 553 - they would no nothing of the kind, that they did not want . 1 tt g h t 6 f h P 1 13 •fi Ch s o me equiva en 0t e crea ion ote 1 0 class. His rst ( eerie) The amendment moved hy Mr. Gibson had stroying; as has been stated by all who have sPoken on this to a measure containing that identical proposition. (Hear.) lord was--they never would take th e bill a n th a t o ff n • Irish South-Eastern 251 25/ 270 187 to do anything of the kind. There was but one way in n ensive Killarney Junction 4l 11 354 289 view of the propoaal h had naturally been coloured by the nothing whatever to do with the bill, to the second reading side of the house, and by some on th e o th er , an ancient and was the right hon. gentleman justified in attacking the resolution. (Loud cheers.) Obsery h which somethinn might be done, and that was by way of e t e style of the noble Lancaster and Carlisle (in. medium through whip he saw it, namely, the neighbour- established principle of our constitution which provides for a t le'll b e • resolution. Tha seemed the only likely course-certainly of which it professed to be an' _amendment. (Hear, hear.) It • presen 1 e ause it proposed to establish uniformity of lord, blandly compassionate, frankly patronisin and at Kendal and Windermere) 1 100 • 5,857 5,631 hi. which he resided In the West Ridine the whole hood i . d k • • ' difference, an a very mar ed difference; between the countY suffrage at the limit of Xl.O, when he himself was a party to that time agreeable and pleasant. The noble lor4 hp s Lane. & Yrks.(in.Blackburn) 289 269 22 505 19,403 a far more likely course than that they were pursuing. - was a direct vote of censure on the Government of the day. had b • representation eem swamped by the £lO house- a n d the borOugh franchise. Well sir, that arrangement, it the introduction of a similar measure ? (Hear.) The right knew what it was to have a threatening- reselution ir e a r n a- d.: , Limerick d F an oynes 2 2 'l3O 122 They were then doing nothing to reach a conclusion-in- We a t,ed it • the se • •h ' . holders of the towns and manufacturing villftges. eceP in sen 'in whine it e was intended ; and has been said, and very justly said, will lead to electoral hon. gentleman advised them to withdraw the bill. But if i n m• • t eel h , ist ef - e n Llanelly 4 387 107 - deed, after all this debate, long as it had lasted, and able as g over a mis ry. k ear, ear n e gets up e ore the He (Mr. Wortley) probably knew the West Riding in the performance of our public duties, perceiving th a t we districts. I acquit the Government of that accusation. The they did so, h t w a support was the right hon. gentleman in house and the world, and with the most disinterested candour' London & North-Western . 791 ‘52 60,107 67,026 it had been, no two ieersons had been of one mind. London and Blackwall 5 531 1,254 1,225 Mr. DENT had listened with attention to the speeches havine been mixed u in three of as wel as any one, e P had lost the confidence of the house, we humbly tendered to motion Of my hon. friend the member for East Surrey to a position to afford iftheyintroduced a new one ?Hebelonged states the resolution meant nh• r .te d d ot mg, et as never in ne to London & South-Western . 321 287 12,838 11,942 the greatest contests that had ever taken place in the county; reduce the county franchise to £lO, woind have led to the to a party which had grown smaller:and smaller by degrees, do the Gove rnment any injury ;if it was carried the bill Loud. Brighton, &S. Coast. 202 18. 11,830 10,602 coming from the other side of the hou.se and had been sur but he found that the bill itself provided against the result her Majesty the resignation of our offices. The present assimilation and identificat f the county franchise It • ion o . and therefore he was at a loss to know what support he could might proceed just as before. The noble lord gave that L'derry and Enniskillen prised to find that many members who had expressed their h a rehended. Its sed divis• ould ' o e pre t ipo ion w i amendment is no vote of censure on the Government. • •h't be t h d • did not establis i , cause he still left un one e the 40s. give if they prodnced a bill which made the county franchise advice and expressed that opinion to a body of Eng- Lond., Tilbury, & Southend. 42 40 916 ns want of concurrence in the bill had nevertheless stated that °1 " ufact ' giv f e t° (H It is a' a d • • Man.,Sheffield, & nineolnsh. 173 1731 9 ,708 8,402 f urmgcons ituency-onepure y menu ac ur- ear.) . n men ment strictly relating to the subject freeholders, a numerous body ; and therefore, even if the bill and borough franchise unequal. The bill to which the right iish gentle men ; their answer was-the resolution and they would vote against the resolution. The main ground Purea3;an on o a mixed character Hear hear Another tt fth bill Manch. S.Jun &Altrineham 9 had passed, there etill would h ave re mained a. great distinc- hon. gentleman was a party, and which contained a similar the bill went together ;if one fell, the other should go with m ' • ) .. .... .. ma er o e . (Heaahhear.) It brings into discussion aryport and Carlisle 28 28 920 ggg of defence of the bill put forward by her Majesty's Govern illg' tblt • e the bill a the f ili ( hell • • grea o i.n ese s ac ty ye . c it woinct anpra tion between the county and t own f r anchise. But the bill of clause to that in the present hill, was a decisive answer to it. (Hear.) The noble lord said he was convinced the re- Midland • • meat was that it would act as a barrier against that " ugy points which were at onetime deemed fundamental principles • 6111 6144 32,375 29,539 to those disposed to violate the constitution, by circulating the Government does not m ere ly l a id t o the identification of all he uttered. But th.e right hon. gentleman put a glossary solution would be carried by an adequate majority. Had Midland Gt.Westn. of Irind. rush" of which some hon. members appeared to be afrai . of the bill-at all events, which are leadi no- features of the fietitious votes. (Cheers.) He greatly objected to any re_ .. . . . . e , the fr anc hi se, a nd to the establishment of electoral districts, on the resolution of the noble lord for which he felt much the noble lord authority to speak for the House of Com- Monkland . lg 177 3 ' 340 3 ' 690 He believed that the bill would be ineffectual to check any 52 1,520 1 446 . viva i o f the system of out-voters • but he did not think that bill, and thedisensmon of which ls more convenientlyraised it actually establishes them. The bill not only extends the oblig e d t o hi m . .The right hon. gentleman said the resolu- mons ? Has he yet recovered the fi con dence a majority Monmouthsh. Rail. & Cansl 44 44 2,163 2,300 call for real reform. Its provisions went simply to callmg . . 1 im lied ' such a revival. Hear b voting papers necesean y p . S ,y a preliminary amendment than it could have been in come £lO franchise of the boroughs to the counties, but it transfers tion was aimed against the principle of uniformity. But once pliteed in him ?He told the Government they were Newcastle and Carlisle 7B 78 2,931 2 , 756 into existence a class of voters who would be greatly under hear.) He now came to the most important of the efects the 40s. freeholders to the boroughs, with all the other pecu- when he came to the author of the resolution-when he in a minority-they were Newport,Aberg.,& Hereford 50 43 1,375 1,080 the' control of the country gentlemen, while by its insidi- mitteel(Hear, hear.) But, long as this debate has lasted, and at the mercy of him and his North British (in. Dalkeith) 149 149 4,713 4,695 of the measure-the limited extension ofhhe franchise which liarities which completely identify the county and borough came to the person by which it was invented-but perhaps friends ; they had placed them in power, and allowed th ously disqualifying the 40s. freeholders, it tended to remove long as it appears, by what we see, likely still to last, I can em North Devon 35 35 385 313 it afforded to the woHcing classes of this country. "Work- franchises, and in fact it d oes es t a bli s h e l ec t ora l districts, he was in error on that point, because from what had been to exist. They owed the noble lord nothing (Loud ch North-E eers.) h astern, 7361 720 32,393 30,277 a most valuable class from the representation. He con not sa that the time and attentio hich hv be b nw a e en estowed ing classes" and " mdustrious classes" were very vague Y . though they are unequal. Why, sir, I should almost sup - throwif out by the right hon. gentleman, the member for If he had the power he has lost it ;if he lad a sidered the bill most faulty, and he could not but think it a majorit Nort London 9 9 2,455 2,427 phrases ;he flattered himself that he belonged to the work- on the sub'ect have been entirel thrown awe J . y y. We h ave nese t h a t th a t part of their arrangement had been suggested Stroud, some dark and mysterious necromancer seemed to there was not in his Ministry abilit wisdo •Y' North Staffordshire 233 233 7, 20 6 5,771 misfortune that such a measure, which was a mere sham, y, m, or capacity ing classes himself, and so did all those who obtained their made some progress in the course of our discussions. (Hear, by the hon. member for Birmingham ; and if we are to de have somethin n e to do in its coneeetion-(cheers)-seemed to retain poWer ; th a t North-Western should have been brought forward. was the severest imputation on the . 461 46/ - - livelihood by the exercise of their Professional abilities or hear.) When this discussion began we were led to think- tennine who are embarked in the same boat, I should say to have acted between the noble lord the member for Lon- respectable and antiquated Cabinet of hich th b N. Yorkshire and Cleveland jot - - - Mr. PACKE was most anxious before the debate closed eno le lord Oxford, Wore., & Wolver 94 94 4 , 208 3 , 755 their mental powers. (Hear, hear.) But he was now erroneously, as it now appears-that the disfranchising of that the hon. member for Birmingham is rowing with the don and the noble lord the member for Tiverton. And the had been the chi e f. (ch eers. ) Th e w (laughter)-to say a few words with regard to the monopoly noble lord had told them Peebles 'lB 18 172 166 speaking of the better class of artisans, for,whom he doubted tne connty freeholders and the identity of the county and Chancellor of the Exchequer and the Secretary of State for three magicians having Put their ingredients into the caul- that the hurry o f b us i ness t h e f of knowledge by the working classes which was assumed by pressure . o . affairs, and the St. Helen's Canal & Railway 30 hether they had done enough by the bill. (Cheers.) On borpugh franchises were fundamental principles of the bill India, much more than he is rowing with the noble lord dron, there•buhbled forth this muddy resolution. (Cheers want of tim e h a d p reven t e h hi Scottish Central "53 30 1,7 .21 1,96 0 hon. gentlemen on the other (the Opposition) aide of the * m from bringing forward his 50 2,i0 , 2,705 the other hand, if they went down as low as a£6 occupancy which, if rejected, would be fatal to the measure. But I was (Lord J. Russell). When this hill first came before us, the and laughter.) bill, that bill which had existed only in nubibus or in the Scottish North-Eastern ll5 115 3,490 ,' 3,455 house. Now he knew something of manufacturing towns, • and he would say of the town of Leicester with which he he doubted whether they would include the whole of this glad to hear, in the short answer which the Chancellor of the first impulse of every man must have been a desire to alter " Double, double toil and trouble ; imagination of the noble lord, for neither on that nor on Shrewsbury & Birmingham 291 29/ 1,734 1,4 t : lass Cheer. He felt satisfied that e workine class s Exche uer made to a uestion in te e 'ally • timate that there was not' a more orderly ,e„, • ( •-.) . th 0 e . q . ct h arty part of last even- it in committee ; but when we looked further, and found Fire, burn ; and cauldron„ bubble." any other practical subject had his Government Ift Shrewsbury and Chester , 48 48 2,588 2,324 was especi m , not desire any measure that would make mere numbers mg, and still Morn . glaa to hear to-night in the more ample th a t th ere was interspersed with it provisions so completely And then perhaps they separated with a e any Shrewsbury & Hereford - - and loyal set of men than its inhabitants. The hon. member mu paracmunt. ye . had re . cently presided over an educational exposition or the beeretarY to the Treasury, that her Ma- subversive of the fundatnental arrangements of our repre - ' When shall wo three meet again ?" measures behind thenn (Hear, hear.) The noble lord now Shropshire Union 2l 782 762 for li* nigham (Mr. Bright) proclaimed himself the friend told them that he approved of the bill in some particulars, South Devon meeting, consisting entirely of the working classes at Shef- jesty's Government consider every part of the bill to be open se n t a ti ve s ystem, the next impressi on I think in many satisfied that for the time of _the workin classes. Now, be (Mr. Packe) must say that field. Politics were excluded by the rules, but the hon. gen- to consideration in committee-that there is no part of the bill mind s must have been that they ought to resist the second . " The charm was wound up." and recommended the Government to take it back even with South-Eastern * 301 301 14,359 14,070 South Wales l7l' 171 5,988 6,757 on eve g • • h• hth terests of the working this offensive resolution attached to it. That resolution ry occasion m .d w ic in th e in demon opposite was then attracting great attention and it the maintenance of which is a sine qua non of the Government reading. That was my own impression ; but the noble lord Were it not that he understood the S eaker would ut 't g io ir c or o k n shire and River Dun los 108 2,1 , 16 2,733 at house the hon. member classes had been cons' ered , . ssible to r nt aef t th le• 't H - cheers -and that th s h • t h• p p i from was not attached to the bill for the purpose of spoiline it. wiss men° p eve r erence oe su jec . e ( . ) o e provisions o w ich the amend- the member for London suggested an amendment involving the chair, he-would ask for some explanation of the philo- The noble lord tho • kt and Darlington had voted against them. When a bill was brought in to (Mr. Wortley), remarking that the time was come when it rnent points are just as open to discussion reconsideration the ' I r matter which ught it was rather a compliment to b the Taff Vale , . , particu a . . was more e s peci a lly o bjection- sophy of the inscrutable resolution which had the merit of Ministry The resol t• 't •lf t•d fi • d 54 54 3,69 9 4,045 secure to the operative a fair day's work against a fair day's u ion ise was mos in e nite an un- Ulster 52 36 1,174 1,385 d ' bl that th h uld be dltdto th fr hi d d t • • was esira e ey s y ami e e anc se, an alnen men in conututtee as any other points of the able. lely noble friend did me the favour to show me his stifling frtiVild closing debate before discussio n . (H ear .) •- ' wagesnthe hon. member gave that bill his opposition. On certam-(hear .hear)-it pledeed the house to nothing, it Ulverstone and Lancaster . 19 19 469 326 • aho e that s would be taken to include in the measure. Hear hear If we • such ro • • expressing p pain . . ( , ..) gem p gre ss m the amendment. I sa id I thought the amendment was excellent He would a l e whether it was in the spirit of English gentle- was so framedas that if he 6 Vale of Neath 251 251 1,302 1 798 another occasion when a bill was brought forward for the titution worth rather than numbers-a sentiment which course of the discussion I cannot sa that I r came back to power he could ~ . y egret the -(ch eers and counter cheers)-and T was quite ready men thus on a question of so much gravityto avoid discussion not be called on to redeem any pl d e which he had • Warrington and Stockport. 12 12 - ' protection of women and children in factories, again the een s - - . . . . • . . grven- - was recei . ved with an assent oi acquiescence that satisfied him prospect of the debate ome on till Monda or Tuesda F ,„ y y to give the amendment my most cordial support. on the bill e and if the noble lord could do so to defeat the Mi- (h h ) hh el 'd thi eg f Waterford and Kilkenny 3l 31 294 283 hon. member was found amongst the opponents of legisla ear, ear -e a sai no ng o vote by ballot-(hear, Waterford and Limerick did t d • it d ' t th d the worbng classes no esire o see a pre eminence nex ,or any oeray in the week, because I anticip a t e Th a t i s th e only mode of at once bringing un- nistry bya side wind ? (Cheers.) An ho 977 tion. When the truck system was under consideration, the . n. gentleman had that hear)-nothing of any one principle but th tth a e posterity West Cernwall 27a 274 699 en given to numbers alone. (Cheers.) Such being the case, and that the progress of convi c ti on ma y go on p er s hasse w ith. d er di scuss i on those two main points which. aro night given. notice of a motion of want of confidence in the of the e• t• 40 f hld h ' hon. gentleman came to its support not only with his vote xis mg- s. ree o ers s ould preserve their votes W.HartlepoolHarbr.&Rail. 39 39 3,276 2,667 granti n g that it was desirable to extend the franchise to the the progress of the discussion, and that we may ultimately essential to the bill. If they had been left in the bill this Government ''`hMinisterial cheers.) H e could unde rs t an d f h but with his voice. It was not pretended that the very or t e county. The career of the noble lord the member 'hy,hilt te etaven Junction l2 12 496 368 worki n g classes, how was that end to be attained ? It could all agree in supporting the motion of my noble house would not have Passed it, but if taken out of it the that, for ifWaS open and manly, and thee could know h ow t o f bill before the house did not give some advantage to the or Tiverton furnished the e best argument against organic " n a n sg e h at F ur urness Jun. 35 35 gg 337 not, he thought, be done by merely lowering the borough friend. (Cheers.) But whether that he so or non at house might have agreed to go into committee and modifY meet it, but he could not under s t dd i d k e d . W'have ,&Eornint. 7 7 182 working classes-that bill too was now opposed by the hon. an e ar prow ings parliamentary reform. Th pres arhament had been e , n ent P franchise ; but there were no doubt means which might be all events, any scruples which hon. members may the other objectionable Paris. I thought it was far better to which had been had recourse to by the noble lord. Th e m ea . e ()REIGN AND COLONIAL. member. Taking the information which present cireum he noble lord • he ha siunnaoned by t , d commanded a majo adopted with success. As to what those means were, the have felt en the ground that the carrying of •the resolution attack those two points than go into the chaos of a commit- sure of the Government had been conde mne d fo r h - d'd Antwerp and Rotterdam 52 52 79 2 978 stances afforded, he must say that he did not think the wat it i nty in it such as almost no Minister before him ever had ; Austrian noble lord (Lord J. Russell) had suggested none-(cheers) would be fatal to the bill, and that the question of reform tee where the discussion would have turned not so much not contain. It did not contain anything with read t th 828 673 29,455 26,420 working classe s valued the suffrage so highly as it was the e e. r. o e and could it be said en organic change was required when Belgian Eastern Junction 261 261 271 297 and he both understood the meaning of his reserve and would be indefinitelY noslened, will now be done away with, on 'the principle as on the wording, and where we should borough franchi se , d • con d e - • an to mn it for what it did not that, Parliament, almost before it was well assembled Buffalo and Lake Huron fashion with some hon. members to re resent ; cert • I • - y in old • 'tate 't (Ch ) Still there was on e plan which and every member will be free to vote on the resolution ac- have been lost in the confusion of a desultory discussion of contain was worth of th e • . the cases of those boroughs where aPlar g e portion of the w° ' au 1 ' eel ' s ' capacity of the noble lord and of had asserted its independence and voted out the , Detroit and Milwaukie lB5l 140 1,268 974 he would mention. The city of Coventry had a most satis- cording to its merits. (Cheers.) I much regretted that the that kind. Therefore I say the idea of my noble friend was the Parr t y l • f h ' D tch R ' u henish 108/ 1081 2,648 • 3,397 voters were of that class, many of them did not take the 'amen ary ogre ot e 19th century. (Hear hear, noble lord When Lord N rth had d h presse t e factory constituency. None had been more steady in the Solicitor-General should have tho ug ht it b ecom i ng hi s own. exact l y th e cours e which, under the circuinstances, it was and oh, oh.) The oble lord 'd h uld di ' * 43 Grand Trunk of Canada 879 849 8 667 8, tronble to record their votes. The hon. gentleman in con -1.1 ..wh t sai b e co not scover the Parliament on this subject his answer Was, " I Great Indian Peninsula l3O 884 ' 618 elusion stated his intention of • V 1 l 1 .• choice of its representatives n none more honoured by the position , or consistent with parliamentary practice, after most prudent to pursue, and so far from being a motion principle of the bill voting aeamst tne reso u eon. . . . y, he no .le lord never could have am the creature of Parliament, in my rise as well as in my Great Luxembourg 122 38 - 2 0 - . - 5 . 3 8 - 4 Lord H. VANE said he should suppoTh the resolution of distinctio n which those representatives had attained. And exhausting all the arguments his ingenuity could suggest in that necessarily, if carried, insures the rejection of the bill, read th e hill, He read his resolution ; that he read care- fall ; I was nothing when I came amongst you • confidence Great Western of Canada 291 283' ' his noble friend because he believed filo co • •' 1 what wasit upon which the constituency of Coventry was support of the bill, at last to have recourse to that common- I say th t I think the Government ought to thank ni full ntam a pnneip e , . y y, and when it came from the hands of the three eminent raiseel me up dh 1 Ihd If ' • ,anw en i was wi rawn ell." The his- Lomb rol V t' - • 8 ' 225 8 ' 595 a o- ene ian 285 285 which was not to bo discovered in the Government bill. 12 . (L d h ) A 1 d d• f 1 • - a • ' • chiefly based ? Apprentices in. ou c eers. n appren- p ace an or mary weapon o persona taunt against thosa noble friend for making it, because if carried-and I have com • b • • positors y whom it was set up it was found to be suffi- to of üblic life • ry . p is an answer to a . hundredfold assertion of f Lyons and Geneva - - 142 107 3,759 2,209 Mr. S. WORTLEY felt, as he had placed on the books ticeship franchise would place upon the list of voters a class who differed with him in opinion. (Hear, hear.) I repudi- no doubt that carribd it will be-eeers)-it relieves them cient for their purpose. The resolution was aimed • against the mfluence of the Crown over his t . hou . se. That ,histo 3 adrid, Sar • ' agossa kAlicant 284 224 6,936 - 5,128 of skilled artisans, who would be infinitely superior to mere ate, for those on this side of the house, the reproach that from a diflieulty-7(laughter)-w 'eh, if left in the bill the principle of the uniformity of th ff Gd B • rY Maria Antonia , .21 21 296 167 the form of a resolution to • - esu rage. oo . ut is a stron roof of the little need there is g p of parliamentary Northern of France move m the event ofthe success of 1 h hold rs He would ask the ho eto reflect what we are actuated in the course WO are i e n 0 ouse e . us p irsum e by a desire would have infalliblY led to the rejection of the measure. he would quote the noble lorh. against himself ; and ther f 574 574 38,219 38,988 bl 1 rd's a end t the no e o m men , some explanation of his purpose must be the feelings of one of these higher class artisans- for political objects or private advantage. (Hear, hear.) I shall not go into elaborate discussions on the fabric •of ere orm. The House of Commons might require to be invi- Norwegian Trunk 44 44 was nothing like quoting a Whig against himself. (Langh- gorated. A great number of elements ought perhaps to be Paris, Lyons o k Mediterrn B4l 781 * 63,g7 54 616 ,837 and views was due from him to the house. He reeretted to one who not only knew his own trade, but who had read Such an imputation is as unworthy of the learned gentle- our constitution, or the abstract ri • • • p nciple involved m ter.) He could safely convince the noble lord of three th 0 nags represented there, but the conduct of the house in reference Paris and Orleans 922 857 14,546 39,275 much and understood the constitution of his country-what man as it is undeserved by those against whom it is many of these details. There are provisions in the bll f h' Paris and Strasburg 979 838 41,150 36,578 find that his noble friend the member for Durham did t • no ni i rom is own mouth: first, that the noble lord was an enemy to the very Minister wh hd • t o a ins sat down gave the mus t b e th e f ee li n g s o f a man of this class, the aggregate directed. (Loud cheers.) I should have thought that which I think the house will not adopt. I think that those of any great measure of Parliamentaryßefo -he decidedly t t- l t d Royal Danish 69 69 tend to vote on the same side as he should vote, for he con -8 ronges , c eares ,an most decisive proof that no ver - - income of whose family might perhaps be £5 a week, but the forbearance exhibited by those whom gentlemen oppo- provisions which admit of the fabrication of faggot votes, stated that in so many words-(h ea h • dl " y Sambre and Meuse 6B 68 1,166 1,347 curred enure ' ly with his noble friend upo • • n one point-viz., who, because his employer fuenishea him with a cheap site from the commencement of their holding. office have the provision which gives the franchise to non-residents that he was in fav • f 1 f le . ' •' '' r, ear) -secon y °Teat measure of change was required. (Cheers.) The Southern of Pra nee 777 773 14,416 9,825 om 9 a ' t en e i t orm rane Ise ; and thirdly, noble lord the member for London had' touched on one West Flanders that the great object with the house and the country was a house,. was not allowed a vote ; while a few doors off was a tePresented as the 'majority of the house might at lea s t an d to enab:e voting papers to be used, I ay, I think an; that he f 75 75 731 694 " w . as o opinion h this bill would be a very topic which he could not pass over in silence. The W. and N.W. of France..,. 716 598 33,789 25,894 satisfactory settlement Of this Reform question. (Hear.) By sinalh g n 'b r ant Sho p kee l er, w hose window was ornamented have secured them from that imputation. (Cheers.) Isay likely to lead to the greatest possible abuses s th t e tbl ese aro ma - „rea essmg to the country. (Hear, hear, and laughter.) not& lord said he had great respect for the noble earl with tallow candles an red herrings, but who beinn a ten- that unexampledforbearancehas been maintained b entle- ters that lam not oine ar • • • for 'the second reading of the bill he considered that - Y g g b to gue , they will be argued if When the hon. member for East S • b h f . uney roug t orward at the head of the Foreign-office but he did not think his ' voting pounder, possessed the franchise ? (Hear.) His ri g ht hon. men on this side of the house. (Hear, hear.) Last year, it the house should eo into committee and in coin •tt th li . t• h 1 'll ' BIRTHS. , mi ee, as e 18 mo ion e ma( ean i ustnous convert of the noble lord presence there was necessary to "the safety of the commu rtunity offered for eirecti ce he embraced the only oppo n e such friend (Mr. Walpole) had truly stated what the practical is true, when public indignation was rouse Iby a certai neht hon her r' t 'cl n n e. n < one sal , you prove your case. (A laugh.) the member for the City of London, who gave counsel to nity. He ivereed with the noble lord that England was i . n DOUGLAS.-On the 25th inst., at Kensal Manor House, the settlement. If the second reading were carried the bill grievances of our re resentative s stem were • namely that despatch, addressed by the Government to the Governor- With reeard to the two points to which the resolution applies the noble lord the member for Tiverton on that occasion in dependent Of any particular Minister. Lord Malm b '- wife Itee to what extent it was im- there wer t• 11 t • y •ti h ' - ' Glfldif It • d b bl• cl. t all 6 - • es ury s of Major-General Percy Douglas, of a son. . might be amended in commi , e cer am grea commum es w o were unrepre- enera ona, we e require ypuicu y to c upon we have prow d our case ; that is to say, when the Iroise has the following- words; When these noble lord d their resence or absence at the Foreion-offic 11 to ylf on the other hand, they carried the ro- sented, and 'certain excellent classes of our countrymen who Parliament to mark its sense of that desPatch. (Hear, hear.) - declared that these parts of the bill shall not be ca /T i dth •'t d ful (L h s agree p e could not decide the LISTER.-On the 24th inst at Donca.ster, the wifiof John . e , en unamini y was won er . aug ter.) The noble lord future of the country • but' it was a different tt e ma er what Lister, Esq., of a daughter. poen e SS . , • were not allowed the franchise He Mr Wortle would Gentlemen o osite ma im eine that that motion w • h . y) .pp . yin . as with- the committee will not alter the bill in that respect. Now, had said-" For my part, I should think it imprudent in policy prevailed at the' For • solution of the noble lord it was true the second reading eign-office-that was a very clif- hloen not sto ' . pto discuss the disfranchisement clauses of the bill. drawn owing to the apprehensions excited by their threat of sir I should have dw It more em h t" T - TA. On the 25th inst. the wife of Abraham Mo e p a really a few days the noble lord if he were now to say, independently of the ferent question. There was not a gentleman who had - mieht be moved on the next day. But who doubted that He thought the Government had acted in that clause with an approachin di Iti fP h tb th 1 ' ' I • g sso uon o ar 'amen ,ut e.rea reason, ago than shall to-night on the consequences that were general o inio • p n which he has just stated that it is the in that house-ther wa a seat catta, Esq. of 15 U 'W b - lace Tavist , liner o urn I) / ock -11 and in all ext e s not a man of capital and industry squa f ' cl th:amendment was intended to defeat the bi P ' reme prudence, fo r no measure would have a chance of why members were disineline3 to support that motion I be- likely to follow from the affirming of this res o l u ti on , i: '' - ' ' ' ntention of the Government to disturb the legislation in the country-there wa re, o a aughter. s not an humble artisan-but was ig.. from the passin th probability would have that effect. (Hear, hear, mr 1, g 0 at house which proposed to disfranchise a large lieve to have been this-they saw that the inini s t erw h o was Th ere is no doubt it will be carried. Then what is the and mind of the country by brin • • 1 d dI i terested i 4. ETRE. On the 24th inst., at Park House, East Cowes, hing in a arge an . com- l eep y n n that question. (Hear, hear.) The noble I l e - Opposition.) Indeed, they had heard as much ; but he of L i e r r_ o f t the smaller boroughs. ft was expec ti ng too muc h persona ll y an d mcrepecn ii arly respons ibl e f or t i .mt d„ pa t c h course that the Ministry will pursue ?We are told various prehensive measure of refonn. ' (Hear.) Again the ord the member for Tiverton wag d• t • se of Vight, the wife of the Hon. Henry W. Petre ais inguished statesman a son. ' 4 Abfe th Go m t threw up the bill and appealed hope eor e vern en a n only tedestroy their own seats bu tat the same had resi ed office and the we e dis osed to time to in • 1 '. - ' ' gn ' Y. r P • accept fbat things. Seine tell ~u t their constituencies. It was only in times of as an atonement. (Cheers,) I will not imitate the example thingh (Loud laue - d h us they will reign. I believe no such noble lord said, "If we sincerely desire reform, the only -he imputed no un ` hter an c eers I th• k • - worthy motives to him-but did an • ) . in it se ouid course now to be pursued is to adopt a measure which is in one doube he was the cause of all the confusion i 3 t o th e c o unt r y they would hesitate, and reflect on the da n g er extre me excitement like 1831 that s uch a thing could be done. of the Solicitor-General, and reproach the Government of be a dereliction of du • • ty on their part if the did resi n it-elf a safe im ro in t w - y . g s pveen , henee er such may be proposed, (Loud cheers.) n Europe? MARRIAGES • Hea‘r he Since the report to which h had f red e re er of such a step. Of this, however, there could be no doubt, ( , , ar.) The right hon. gentleman (Mr. S. Herbert) the day with having abandoned their own form • • I (Ch )I d t h • er princip es eers. ono want tem to resign. (Ministerial and I cannot but admit that the measure of the honourable was made, he had r• - • 1 - 1 tatn-Jois - es - n the 23d inst., at the • residence of the said that the mode of p r evis ed his recollection of a country in - ° b eldest de h that it was the object of the noble lord in moving this rose ., venient. Had the Ihi oceedin g by resoluti on was incon- and discarded theirformer opinions byproposing a measure of cheers.) I have heard of a gentleman whose servant had gentleman is such an improvement, and I think that no which he took the eepest interest-he meant Italy. What b'd ' • • _ e n s e s parents, Re ecen n _ _ cug ter of A. H. Hart, lution to defeat the bill. (Loud Opposition cheers.) Il e fal ? (Cheers.) He n b a er ß e g, the n , be en so unsuccess- reform. I hold that they did their auty in proposing suels a incurred his displeasure, but the gentleman said, " I will one who is possessed and entrusted with the £lO franchise was the cause of t;• 1 1 e confusion there 9 Hear hear ) H E q., of 40, Upper Bedford- 1 1 ) ace) RUSsell-souare to i d there had never been a measure. (Hear, hear.) They took the Govenunent-to use not punish him I will deli . t con mn iin o keep his place." ' can object to its enjoyment by those who live in counties." would answer that cpiestion. What • ( '' • e Hyam Jonas, Esq., of Woburn-place. - ' expected that honest affirmative cheer ; but the noble lord measure, either ,with re b rrard to India or to a h h I'h th bl 1 d h h d" • • ny ot er a p rase wnc enoeor at t e ead of the Govern- (Lou cheers.) Sir, Isa it anain the Mini t t k occurred in 1848 when n . y, , sry oo the And not content with giving hi s o pi n ion, the noble lord the A ustrian Governme tff d t h• d n.EARD-WRIGIIT.--011 the 24th • , had not avowed that object, or he would have moved that of our dependencies-, which had met with so general an ment will understsmd-with its en e t (Ch d G -. . t •th • ga b emen s. eers an overnmen wi its engagements ; they undertook to brine •h . " b •"'dh e th occupier of a £lO enco of L n o ere o secure te in epend- inst., at All Souls', • that bin - , gee e is reason, ecause, sai c, e Langham-place, William Heard, E the bill be read a second time that day six months. (Cheers.) acquiescence as , but, whether that was so or not, laughter.) Those engagements they were bound to fulfil, or in a measure pf refor d ombardy ? (No, no, and Hear, hear.) It might se ,of Hitchin se th m, an I say they are not &tine their ho ein count i enerall a erson of greater intelli- ' e us a yng y p hal e been expected that any Minister would have ac ted Herts, to Mary, only daughte fs • -.- • ' cep r o eptimusWnght, Esq., If they carried the eecond reading they might insist upon in the Present Ca - e L'use had no choice. (Cheers.) to pay the forfeit which they entailed. (Cheersi . On 'fdt t th C 'd 1 • • e o ul'o 'e rown an to tie countr if in c s y., ? on equence of genee and possessed of more property than the tenant of a the most magnificent ff d b of the same place. the two main points of the resolution in, committee-first, They could not now expect any Government to command - these engagements was to carry an India Bill.• hey had' such a vote as tha • • t which in noble friend ro oses p p , they similar house in a borough. oer ever ma ey a great and point- I think this change is safe- fal monarchy. The noble lord, however act e f th b the preservation of the rights of the freehold voters residing a majority. The time hhcl now come when the real diffi- disapproved of an India Bill, but when they took office the ' resien their lec and y th ) 1 , _ p.es , pct. on o ers the duty of doing it. that it will consolidate our institutions, and give further (he imputed n th . t la . b t , in, or e est , DEATHS. in boroue•hs, in which he perfectly agreed with the noble culty of bow the Queen's Government was to b • d fltth t th lA' tt . fi d-th t . e carne on e a epu lc expec a ion was xe up on a measure, i ley have advantages which no other Government have in etibility to et rre rssentat've system." (Hear.) After this • , f o ing o im u a total want of sense) lord-(bear, hear)-and necondly, the further extensi f • • •enccd. (Hear, hear.) Net that on ow as exPen fthtd' he apprehended that the honour of the Crownwas in some degree committed sliccessfully settling this question. It is th •dt .t tti •t •1 1 ' fth-•bl1•d•1 t h m f tl I • rt. used it. His answer was on record. The British Mi eir u. 3 ose oi, ( ec aration o e iso oinV, ia eca e o ie g ossary of nister besought the nob' 1 d BARKER.-Oza the 23d inst at his 'd U . d owne _t erreee „,. . .9 . ren ence, pper Lans• the franchise in cities and boroughs, in which also he any danger wohld arise out o a o t e, il , ty, for he be- to its being carried ; and they properly carried on the mea- and therefore I sey-not •e , eor to take what ho could et meanin e , I can assure them. any un- the right hon. ..entleman tho member for Wilts, that the but the noble lord would not rec • • • ' g ' Birchin 1 ,ni offing-hill, Charles Barker, Esq., of • anneed with the nobl e lerd. It was scarcely respectful to ll ove d that the Honse of Gm :amens wa s auk to frame good sure which eI ad beeun Tie' hd it d ' bt. But e'vl t t 1 '. - ' eive it. All this was of im- ~ . ane, aged 66. w I r. " ' • 'Y ' sPel e ' n° °li the Go i i ,ann - have too e on s a n opinion of them to think that resolution of the noble lord was dii•ected against the unifor- • • the Crown, after what had passed, to reject this bill on the measures, and that they might with confidence depend ii ' -s he did fulfil that eneae. pon nevertheles t y , b e men t, an d .. by a resignation they would shrink from the performance of 'laity of the franchise ? pot tance in answer to the questions which had been put. Ralunie- e -6 h , .n t e 24th inst., at Torquay, suddenly, the second reading. (" Oh," laughter , and " hear, hear.") its ineenuit and industry ; but they must not look in any f India was transferred from the' com any to the e dut which t verninent o . . . p . . y hey have undertaken, , Well, then, it is said An HON. ISIEM.BER-That did not affect When a great offer was mode a ct• • • vould have • • the borough k h • ',gr a minister I Joy. Montagu Bayly aeed 34 , 0 • nown ow to accept it. Soon after this offer was made, Hon. gentlemen might lawrii but '" hd n t 't •ed ' ' Y fi d sons to form an Administration th w e a oyc arriv part of it to n per . . thin at Crown. It eves then too late in the session to ent er upon' the they may dissolve. Well, I have no greater faith in their franchise. BRE at the time when the influ ''' ' ence of the Crown was to be en- could command a party mason y. t Was there any Radetzky chaneed the fortune of • d when the nol" TT.-On the 13th Feb. last on board tho shi Eastern tion of Perliamenta Reform The recedin Govenah dissolvin ques , , ry : p, g g. (Laughter.) In the first place, to dissolve Par- Mr. WHITESIDE was obliged to the hon eentle fld • • e war ,an •, we Monarch tBtM • ' • P tirely dieregarded. (Hear, heir.) Th 1 • • • ' t f roe severe ministries to prevent the Governmen rom acceding to the propos:a ment had equally been prevented in the early part of that liament at the present rao eth 1 . 1 • hth't•t . 'f "t hl d In • men imp ies somet ung more tan einen up ion, or i ena e im to remark that th e man or or ,in his next despatch, would have accepted the, o ff er, -,-, , a sea, reve -aj or Reginald Best Brett, of the nombey Artillery, aged 38. had promised a measure of Parliamentary Reform and to emend their bill ?He • was happy to think, from the session from enterine on the ue -CO .C-, I h f tl 'll fG e mea- he was told he was too late-blood hod been eh dd h , q s I , n- iroL,ca c . e . crs rom le WI Q overrunent. The concurrence of the house would sure of the hon. member for East Surrey did not affect the could " '' ' ' ' --e ' au e B ' three times had the Crown recommended th b • ' ' h b • (S' S N rthcote) that there was tl G • esu ject to speech of t e hon. menet ir .i 0 ' • le overnment side)-by the pressure of the India ques- be necessary to its own diesol u th Th tfb • • borou , th frinchise tint I'l • not expect aiter victsry what had teen offered in ocrern-On the 24th inst., at 2, Stanhope-street, Hyde their consideration in the spe ee h from the throne and the not. At th e same time he thought h i s r i g ht h o n. friend tion. It was therefore, perfectl - rieht th t the horrid sach that ii 'ldb . ' .n. e s ate o usiness is , ...,<w ii e it proposed to reduce the moment of depression. It was not vr - •f h a park, the Rev. Jame Sh ld B • a y 8 , wou e ne cessary t o h av „th„.„ t „ i n „ N e n cou nty franchise to £lO it left tho borough franchise t £lO eey wise or t e noble s ergo oone, incumbent of St. . house had at the beginning of the session assured ' her Ma - Mr Wal ole) had ked the Government a little too much. postpone the ' h of Pan' 3 6 a , lord to touch on foreign politics ••• t I • John's Paddineton aged 7 _ '. le sun recolleat what had ' b ' 5 • iamentary Reform to the preeent to have an a ro • ' \l anes ion . pp priabon act, to have a ways and means and that the noble lard votal for that proposition. (Hear bee th ' jeety that they would give the subject that calm ad • ( •d P ' as h th h uld accept the session. n impar- He ha only a nght to demand tat ey s o . n the time came for the consideration "of the act, to make provision for certain Exchequer Bonds that hear.) lf, therefore it was unconstitutio 1 d• 1 ' , n e result of his pot cy i n Belgium and in Naples FILY.-On the 224 inst., at Clarence House Gillingham dal consideration which was :proportionate to the m< • d • • himself en- measure egni- ecunon of the house 'onnhe points on which he .. , what was the manner in which- they should have fall due in 3une-, li th t• el' •th1I• t • - t f 1 ' na en misc nevous (Hear.) The adminis‘ t . 1 o ever e ese onera ions wi yequire , e icai 3 oNoeor a ro uction of the county franchise, leaving the Wh 9 . ~,,,, ion , INV , mus e c anged. t b h • Kent, Captain R. H r , '23 ' . ry, loth Regt., aged . bide of the interests involved. (Hear, hearn Noev, it aP- tertained objections to their bill. To ask them to give a applied their minds to it ?• TI C • ler ace a o . nservative party • concurrence of the house 'Are they assured of obtaining borough franchise untouched, what could the ' noble lord t• 't f t -• y . Becaure th lad made no provi • ey i . mon for the Dos- MAIN.-On the 22d inst., at Knightsbridge, John Main, peared to him that to make the measure the subject of a guarantee tnat the 3; would acc t anything to which the they are not opposed to t• btth '' th t • ' ' _ . progressive improvemen . , u hr a . concurrence ? lam quite ready to admit that ou oc- say in defence of his votinn for th 'cl h I cri yo . tue 40s. froobelders. They did pro -, • d pose indee to aged 56. great party movement-the stalking horse for a t h ed K • h elp -hbII t r any- improvemente a e grea party Ouse asTe , was as in,g tem to accept tea 0 , 0 •• . n their charms must, according to their casions when the contest i s between two political parties on the hon. meniber f ' , ei en ica proposition of deal with the waking ones, but what of that ;th ' or Surrey ? (Loud cheers He bet' v d t e noble lord PEDDER.-On the 24th inst at Bri hton Sir John Lewes e ffort-was not giving to the question of the representati thi 1 t h . hth •ht Irt • on ng eseo w ic ey mig .ene am ever so strong an own principles, be made ' ' in accordanc e with the established a question of foreign relatione, of peace or war, or a ques- that the right hon. gentleman the .) .re e hought•af th e n, ohildren and grandchildren. To assert Pedder, late Ch . fJ •• ” g ' . le th t I d ' arra' con id t• of the peep acain an imp i s era ion which b• t• o jec ion, provided only a majority of the house assen . ted principles of the B % t• n ish cons • ' member for Wilts and th titutien. They improve t o ti o n on which the Government and a majority of this house the noble lord the member fT . • stice of the Su reme Court Van ' at prilloiple the noble lord was ready to be t t D . '.L d re u P ' ' they had pledged themselves in the addrese to th c ntain •th 'll e rown to it. (Hear hear.) They had taken o ffi ce as th e represen .. m ai , cy wi not alter to destro Hear hear ma disaeres it •s , or iverton jumped too hastily an - osint of political confusion y. ( , .) y e c, i perfcctly constitutional that they should to the conclusion that the meanine fth bl Id' • • A - ' . a par y o any remen san . (Cheers.) He believed he , to give to it. (Cheer s f rau , t h e , m i n i s t er i a l benches.) Th • f' • • d h h f t t When they came to look at th ere tatives o a namonty, an tey must t ere ore not expec o e state of our representation, app . eal to the country, and it is perfectly right that tho lution - was such 'as the „oeno e or s raise- had answered the noble lord plainly. (Hear he , ar.) In - was a course which, he sugges t e d, won ed be !consistent carry the measure exactly in the sha e the wished, but standing as it does on the act of 183 9 , th y ght to have majority who ma hay y described it, and that they put an reply to his advice to take the y e censured or disagreed with them interpretation upon it to suiP their argument, which was bill, the Ministr resolution and take back the with their own dignity, with th e res i, ec t th e y owed to the they must endeavour so to medif I P t Y t th • considered what were the pints -• • e • nu- ' y i as o mee e views arisi ng ou t o f th a t ac t should nevertheless render aid to an honest appeal to the that unif • • ' y answered they could not tak h e t e resolu- LoliDoN : Printed and Published by MURDO YOUNG, . Crown, and , which at the sa m e ti me wou ld effect all the of Parliament- (Heare hear-) If the house adopted the re- which required or admitted improvement. The experience country on the point in dispine But that is not the pre- ehiev • ' ' e ' • - ormity of suffi anis was unconstitutional and mis- tion, and take back the bill. ous , ii. hereas the meaning of the noble lord, the mem no mistake The H Lou ( d cheers.) • Let there be of No. 112, Strand, Printer, at The Sun Office, No. 112 • . • ouse of objects etated in the noble lord's resolution. It Was With solution of the noble lord; what would be the consequence ?we have since had might naturally have led th trt • t t . I - • 11 h em oce am sen ques ion. ask why the Government shou , t row ber for the C . , ity of London, was not to unsay what he for- it, (Cheere.) Ii bli e e eyed • Commons had the issue before Strand,. in the Precinct of the Savoy,. in, the county of • , • . . _ - . _ in that house they would alwa ys rdiddlesex, Saturday, March 26. 1859_ • . 5,631 19,493 122 407 57,026 1,225 11,942 10,602 713 715 8,402 837 888 29,539 3,690 1,446 0 2,300 2,756 1,080 4,695 313 30,277 2,427 5,771 LONDON : Printed and Published by KURD() YOUNG, of No. 112, Strand, Printer, at The Sun Office, No. 112 Strand, in the Precinct of the Savoy, in the county et Middlesex, Saturday, March 26, 1859, BU( Apj Rea by cu Dep na re Mi Johi Hen Will N. 11 Robe Irt John Winsq. Sh AfesF Will Dim btu Mr. ] Lond Shell Leed Live bui Mau( Brist By wort; be cal sewn Will Pul of M, theca in the had a tors a addre Not SRA' DAY R' (DO Sir NO' FIR' 9th A FII Corp lii 1 ticipa partic Tin near!: cent. Eqi paval The years. An , Life. Thi IN Clow, Ment under on or due. AND] Regis DoC Met An on tlo but a, nracti legall impot equall