The Sun. — London, England, 1858-05-21 00:00:00

BagineSS this dal. 101 97i 81 90; 2 LAIIEST NEWS. Intelligence has been received from Constanti nople to the 12th. The Presse d'Orient announces that on the 11th a loan of 60 millions of piastres had been obtained ; it is to bear an interest of 7 per cent., and with a commission of 2 per cent. sine Greek firms had subscribed for this loan, which will be repayable, beginning with the month of July. Tha Journal de Constantinople contains a com municated note blaming in strong terms the specu lations which had taken place in the exchanges. The Bedouins of DamAscus had pillaged the ca ravan to Mecca, and carried off, among other things, the presents destined for the tomb of the Prophet. FRANCE. PARIS, THURSDAY. The Moniteur of yesterday announces that her Britannic Majesty has conferred twenty-one silver Medals on as many French sailors for service ren dered by them, in the month of January last, on the coast of Calais, to the English merchant-ship Excel, wrecked on that coast. Also, a gold medal to Dr. Charles-Felix-Garasso, of Cslaiß, in ac knowledgment of the care he bestowed on the only sailor of the Excel who survived the disaster. There will be an election on May 30 for a vacant meat in the Corps Legislatif for the department of the Orno. The Government candieate will be opposed. The Courrier du Bas Rhin announces that M. Migeou was elected a deputy to the Corps Legis latiff by 15,700 and odd votes to 14,350 given to Keller-Haas, the Government candidate. All hope of saving M. de Pane, the unfortunate person who was wounded in the late duel by the S ub - Lieutenant Hyene, is abandoned. It is found that the liver is pierced. The surgeons attendiEg him report that he cannot live. BOURSE, May 20.—A general rally took place at the close of the market on a report that the English Cabinet had obtained a mijority against Mr. Cardwell's motion. The following were the closing quotations 41 per Cents 93 25 Do. end month 3 per Cent. .... 69 70 Do. end month 69 75 Bank Credit Mobilier Do. Account 6SO Credit Foncier Belgian 4 Piedmontese (5) . Roman 93i Austrian .. Spanish Threes liomo Delz;t: -FOR CASH. RAILWAYS. Orleans Northern New Ditto 745 Lyon and Mediteran. 737 New Ditto — Geneva 492 i Western. 555 Strasburg C rand Central Saraini an Austrian NORWAY AND SWEDEN. The Prince Regent opened the session of the Norwegian Storthing, at Christiania, on the 14th instant. His Royal Highness commenced by an allusion to the disasters caused by the commercial crisis of last year, and from which Norway had not escaped : "The probability (continued the Prince) that the Treasury, the receipts of which are chiefly the produce of indirect taxes, will not be able in dun time to meet the expenses enumerated in the Budget, and the necet•sity of adopting certain extraordinary mea sures to succour those branches of industry which are suffering, have inspired his Majesty with the wish of executing such measures, with the concert of the elect of the nation, as will ba pr.per to sati-fy the wants cf the moment. "His Majesty has full confilence in your patriotism and counts upon your active support to resist the pres sure of circumstances. "His Maj6mty learned with deep regret the rohLf )r -tune which has befallen the capital, as well as the com mercial town of Moss. "These conflagrations, of so frequent occurrence, im periously remand the introduction of reforms into the present regulations concerning the architeAure of citi s, so as to shield them mbre efficaciously from disasters of this nature." In conclusion, the Prince Regent announced to Storthing that no favourable change had taken place in the state of health of his august father, the King. INDEX TO THE "TIMES." Who has not been wearied and irritated, at some time or other, in searching the file of Tice Sun, the Times, or other daily journals, for some attic!e or report of the date of whi c h h e h a d but a very indistinct notion ? and hoar often has the task been given up in despair ? At length an " Index . to the Times" is announced, which Promises to remove the difficulty in regard to the file of that journal altogether, and to assist in tracing articles to other newspapers. Mr. Foster, the pr, jlctor, has, Iv are informed, had great e xp er ie nce i u th e ki n d o f labour necessary to produce such a work, and has been "gaged on a leading London weekly j )ureal for more than a quarter of a century. He has completed an index to the Times from July 1,1857, to the present time. The method of working is this—in reply to an application, and fur a very moderate fee, he will transmit, by post, the date, Page, and column at which the article required will be L°lad, if it has appeared in the Times, instead of wast ing time and patience over huze ne 7e , paper files, the Person who has availed himself of Mr. F.ister's aid, will at once turn to the page where what he requires will be fo und. The idea is novel, capab:e of being worked at small outlay—printing the Index would be a costly aff.:.ir '-and the public, by giving it a fair support, will insure for themselves the continuance of a work, the useful ness of which is undeniable. We may mention a fact il lristrativa of the utility of this work,—having occasion to refer to a case pending in ono of our law courts, and not recollecting tho date, we challenged Mr. Fester to prove the practical usefulness of his index. He referred to his index, and answered us by giving us the date, the Page, and the column of the Times in which we found what We sought, thereby saving, what to us is rtote valuable, as much trouble and time, which, to a certain ex:ent, is our capita). MARKET flE'v'iti.—(This Day.) CORN EXCHANGE. The quantity of English wheat on sale in to-day's ttarket, coastwise and by laud carriage, was very limited, but the general quality of the samples was good. Selected Parcels were in fair request, and Monday's prices were well suPported. Iu other kinds only a moderate business was doing, at late rates. The imports of foreign wheat are 5,530 quarters. In most kinds the transactions were on a very moderate scale, at Monday's currency. Floating cargoes of grain off the coast were firm in price. Fine barley was scarce, and in stealy request, at full prices. G r i n di ng and distilling sorts ruled du'l. Over 20,000 quarters of foreign have arrived. We had a dull trade for malt, and late rates were barely stipported. Oats were stealy, at fall quotations. Beaus, peas, and flour supported Monday's currency. ARRIVALS MIS Iic'ENIE. Wheat. Barley. Malt. English.. 1,350 1 50 I 1,140 I rish ............ Foreign„ Oats. 1 Flour 30 1 SSJ 720 1 5,030 1 20,430 15,410 2320 siv. brie GENERAL AVERAGE PRICES OF BRITISH CORN Por. the week ended May 21, 1858, made up from the Re turns'of the Inspectors in the different Cities and Towns in England and Wales, per Imperial Quarter. WHEAT BARLEY I OATS EYE BEANS I PEAS 44 3 lid 353 0,1 253 81 353 7d 40 3 91 42, 1,1 THE SIX WEEKS' AVERAGES. WHEAT I BARLEY I OATS I n-ric I BEANS I PEA 3 44 8 ld 36s Oct 25s 0,1 31s 61 , 393 101 413 9 ENGLISH GRAIN SOLD LAST WEEK Wheat, 111,226; barley, 10,899 ; oats, 9,302 ; rye, 21 ; beans, 4,618 ; peas, 417 quarters. NEWGATE AND LEIDEDTTIA.LL. The supplies of meat hero to day wore rather extensive. The trade generally ruled heavy, a 3 follows : Per Blbs by the carcase. s. d. s. d. P. 1346 Inter! 2lO 3 2 Mutton, Inferior 3 D 1 or 13 .1 middling 3 4 3 6 Do., middling 3 bo. prime large.. 3 83 10 Do., prime .4 b b O., do. 5naa11•...3 10 4 0 f Veal. . 3 vork, large 3 0 3 6 I Pork. smA 3 4. s. a 0 3 2 4 3 10 0 4 4 8 4 8 8 4 2 Lamb, 5s 6, Id to Cs 2d. BOROUGH HOP. , We continue to have a f , ir but by no means active `4enaand for all good and fino hops, the growth of 1337. In `er,„for kinds are a dull sale, but not cheaper. And and East Kent Pockets, 70a to 112 s ; Weald of T: ge nt do., Ms to 665; New Sussex do., 50a to 60a ; Year.. "El; 21s to 50s. COLONIAL. l 'EA.—Thu market continues very dull. Common wae7tgh°lti, is quoted 10d to 141 per lb. SUGAR. —A. very limited business has been done, and he exception of the very superior sorts, prices have do exception 1 tendency. In the refined market grocers have confi ned thei r operations to immediate requirements, r.ncd icea are rather easier. Brown lumps are quoted &Is and "dmon tittl ers 51 s 6.1 per cw t. '"PEE. —There is a steady demand for the hotter Nati ve of Plantation Ceylon, at fully late quotation. end other kinds were dealt in to a very moderate exit tent at slightly reduced rates, ra,, e , E The market is very quiet, and at public sale r lower rates were currant for all qualities. fair amount of business has been dote, and prices continue to be well supported. be en de man d f or mos t d escr i p ti ons o f sp i ces h as .7n na ctive, and l ower ra t es h ave i n some i nstances b een IZ rA l t d t for Pepper, pimento, and ginger. Cloves and s. Drought about previous rates. v little business has been clone, but V,;: keen remarkably firm. A large parcel averaging cent. refraction sold about 36s per cwt. pri-u,2,,st,Low.—There is rather more business doing and b 36 9erc.. 3 . firm. P.Y.C. on the spot is now quoted 5 1 _ , June delivery, 53s Gd ; and last three months, 4 , 3 per cwt. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS. -(YESTERDAY.) The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat on the woolsack at five o'ck•ck. Lord BERNERS presented a petition from South wark, praying for an equal sation of poor rates. The E;rl of HARDWICKE presented a petition, numerously signed, from Preston, praying that Gude might be resto.red to the native princes. The Earl of CARNARVON presented a similar petition. The Earl of CARLISLE presented a similar petition from Staleybridge. SECOND READINGS. On the motion of Lard REDESDALE, the East Suf folk Railway, Vauxtni:l Bridge, Sufferance Wharves (Port of London) and Viscount K e ith's Estate bills were read a second time. PROTECTION OF FEMALE CHILDREN BILL. The Bishop of OXFORD moved the third reading of this bill. Tne bill wag accordingly read a third time and pass-ed. STAMP DUTIES ON DRAFTS. This bill was read a third time and passed. DESPATCHES FROM INDIA. The Earl of DERBY—I think it right to inform the house that is the course of the morning we have received despatches of importance from India, containing, among other things, representations from Sir J. Outrun, with reference to Lord Canning's proclamation, and also Lord Canning's masons for is,suing that pr oc l ama tion. Under ordinary circumstances I should have thought it doubtful whether papers containing a discussion of matters of policy between two high officers of the Crown in India should be Jail before Parliament, but as they had al ready been kid before the Court of Directors, and as the course pursued by Lord Canning had been subjected to much comment, I think it would be most unjust to that noble lord it his own reasons in his own words for issuing the proclamation should not be given. I should have been glad to have laid the papers on the table this evening, but they are now actually being copied, and I hope to lay them before your lordships to morrow. Earl GRANVILLE said if the papers were laid on the table to-morrow, and the house should then adjourn immediately after, they would be of I.ttle use. He thought a motion for the production should be made, and thus the papers could be in the hands of their lordships early to-morrow. The Elrl of ELLENBOROUGH—That conrse has frequently been adopted in this house, and I think it absolutely necessary that those papers should be in the possession of the House of Commons before it comes to the vote tc-morrow. The Earl of DERBY---I am equally anxious that the House of Commons should have the papers before they come to a vote. I shall, therefore, move that copies of the despatches received from India containing the grounds on which Lord Canning issued the proclama• tion, be produced. I cannot mention the exact terms. The Earl of ELLENBOROUGH—I will supply the terms, because I have read the letters. They are the letters of the secretary of Sir J. Oatram to the Governor- General, dated the Bth of March ; the reply of the se cretary of the Governor-General, dated the 10th Manih ; and the letter of the Governor-General's secretary, dated the 31st of March. The Earl of DERBY—I now move for the produc tion of thoso papers. The m ton was agreed to. ThLir lordships then adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS.—(YEZTERDAY.) The SPE-AKER took the chair at four o'clock, NEW MEMBER. Mr. W. 0. GORE to .k the oaths and his seat for Leitrim. PRIVATE BUSINESS. The following bills were further coneldered, and or dered to be read a third time :—Ry Valley Railway ; and Selkirk and Gal:sr:hide Railway. The following bills were read, and then passed : Andover Canal Railway; lhlly.nena , Ballymoney, Cole rain,, and Pertrush 'Junction Railway ; Belfast and County Dawn Raj way ; Cr.is wick Improvement ;Corrie, Machyzilleth, and River D.ivey Tratnrcad ; Dean Forest Turnpike Trust ; Luton, Dunstable, and Welwyn June ,, tion, and Hertford and Welwyn Junction Railway G.rn panies Amalgamation ;Taunton \\Tater ; Waterford Gas; and Windlor New Road. THE VOTE OF CENSURE. Mr. RICH give notice tit in the event of the reso lution of the right hon. member for Oxford (Mr. Card well), being carried he should propose the addition cf the following :—" And that the house commending the temperate pAcy with respect to the Indian revolt. set forth by the Governors General in the minute of the 11th July, and in his letter to the Court of Directors of the 24th of December last, and which policy the directors i❑ the letter to - the Go eernor-General of the sth of May applied more especially to Oude, do confidently re!y that the Governor-General will continue to exercise that firmness and humanity which under great difficul ies he appears hitherto to bare exercised." (Efear, hear.) Mr. DUNLOP gave notice that in the event of the amendment of the ben. member fJr Swansea being car ried he should add the following :—" And this house confidently trusts that the Governor-General wil', in the spirit of the letter addressed to him by the Court of Directors on the sth of May, pursue a general policy which, while it shall vindicate the established authority of the Indian Government, shall re-assure the people, encourage their speedy submission, and reconcile them to British rule." (Elem., and laughter.) OUDE. Sir D. NO PREYS silted the late Presidoot of the Board of Control whether the late Government had determined on, and communicated to the Governor-General of India, the line of policy which in their opinion should be pur sued towards the landowners of Oode when the fitting occasion should arrive for the publication of their policy ; and, whether the late pr,clamation fairly represented the views so communicated to the Governor-General ? Mr. V. SMITH said her Majesty's late Government had come to no such determination, or communicated to the Governor-General of India the line of policy referred to, and of course that being so, the second pars of the question required no answer. POSTAL CONIMUNICATION BETWEEN LON DON AND DUBLIN. In reply to Mr. H. HERBERT, Mr. HAMILTON said no satisfactory progress had yet been made. In Fthruary last the PoAmaster- General forwarded to the company the draft of a con tract which had not yc t been returned to him. It was in the hands of the Chester and Holyhead Company. and the cause of delay was Mr. Peto's (the chairman of tha company) absencs. There were difficulties in the way of carrying out the arr:..::gem4nto, which however would be removed by the passim; of a bill now before Parliament. He btlieved the eowpanies were ❑aturally waiting for that bill to be passed. BARRACK KlrouENs. In reply to V,scou►,t EBEITNGTON, General PEEL said that the re.oert referred to in the first part of the question would be ready on Monday next, and it should be immediately alter laid on the table of the house. aff,rent cooking apparatus had been tried, and as soon as the reports on them were sent in they should also be produced. It was the intention of her Majesty's Government as soon as a plan was finally agreed upon to have it adopted in all new bar racks, and means would be taken for providing for other means of cooking in the ad barracks otherwise than by bol . ng. (Cheers.) CIVIL SERVICE SUPERANNUATIONS. In reply to S,r J ELPHINSTONE, Mr. HAMILTON, in the temporary absence of the Chancellor of the Exchequer, said that a measure was being prepared on this collect, and he hoped it would be introduced shortly after the Whitsuo 11.);idays. Mr. GLADSTONE asked if the recommendation for tha adjustment of salaries wutill Le embodied in the iroposed or force the sutject of a separate one. Mr. HA NI ILION drelin•±d to state the purp.irt of any portion of the prop - ised measure. HART3OURS OF REFUGE. Mr. MACARTNEY asked the chairman of the Harbour of Refuge Cmumittee (the tneruher for Devon por:), what had caused the deity in furnishing the draft re,olutiong, as promised by him to the committee at their het meeting on the 19:h day of April ; and whether there was auy probab I,ty of their birg do.ivcred to the several rinemigrs previous to the recess. Mr. WILSON said the reason of the delay arose from the importance of the interests involved. He hoped to have the dud; rea-ly in a few days. NEW ZEA.LA.ND. In reply to Lord A. Cnußcma,, Lord STANLEY said the governor of New Zealand had no power to repeal an act of the Legislature of that colony. A proclamation was issued some time ago, which imposed severe restiictions on the sale of wines ; but it had been found to increase the evils of the contraband trade, without being effective for the pur poses intended ; and recently the governcr of New Z.,a land had issued another proclamation, removing some of the res'rictions, subject to the approbation of the Government. THE 21ST REGIME VT OF BOUBAY NATIVE INFANTRY. Mr. DILLWYN as l -:dtheec;otary to the Bjard of Control whether any account had been received by the Bard relative to the suppression of the mutiny and the dierermirw of the 214 regiment of Bombay Native Infantry at Knrrachee, is September. 1357. Mr. LI. BAILLIE said it was quite true her Ma jesty's Government hal received intelligence of the mntioy referred to, and the dl,arming of the 21st il,cgt. of B srobly Native Inf9.titry at Klrraehce, and he was at a loss ta know how it happened that it did not appear in the Gazette. In justice to the officers, whose merito ri3us conduct bad been called to the attention of the Commander• n-Chief in India, he (Kr. Baillie) read a letter from the Adjutant General to Sir Cilia Cs.r.apb.:.-ii. OFFENCES AGAINST' THE PERSON— LAW REFORM - . The ATTORNEY-GENERAL gave notice that be Ehould, on the 33 of June, ask for leave to intrc dt:co a bill for omsolidating the liw relating to offences against the person, and also six other bills fir c , nbolidating certain acts of parlia , nent. The learned Attorney-General also gave notice of a series of other bids be intended to iutroducs for consolidating the LORD CANNING'S PRIVATE CORRESPON- PENCE. Lord PALMERSTON—I hive to r.sk the indul , ener of thr , house for a few moments will() I make a :state ment which, I think, carries out a wish expressed by the house on a former ocea9ion. The house was anxious t.. bf come acquainted with certain pas; ages in Lord Can n'ng'a letter to my right hon. friend the late President uf THE SUN, LO . NDON, FRIDAY EVENING, MAT 21, 1658. the Board of Control, to which allusion has been so fre by what he had done, it would not become the house to quently made in debate. lam prepared to read that follow so bail an example. (Loud Ministerial cheers.) extract. It will, however, be necessary that I should i Sir J. SHELLEY withdrew his amendment, and the first read an extract from a preceding letter, which is i Bill was read a second time. explanatory of the extract in question. It is as fol. i CHANCERY AMENDMENT BILL. lo vs :—" Lord Canning, after giving his opinion as to : This Bid was read a third time and passed. what course ought to be pursued with respect to the ! MR. CARDWELL'S RESOLUTION. mutineers, goes on thus :—. "The talookdars, landowners, and their followers, men - THE ADJOURNED DEI3ATE. who have not eaten our salt, who owe us nothing, who Lord GODERICEI then resumed the adjourned de bate, remarking that in the present position of the epee ' think themselves (not unreasonably) wronged by us, ore in , a very different category. I will proclaim for them a ! ' tion it was of the utmost importance to keep clearly in view the issue raised. I c t u rg m bu e t as u u n r t e il of th m a e t rc h y ap a p n e d ns i , nd o u r l He hoped also that the house Campbell's guns have opened upon the city, I will not put would not shrink from expressing an opinion on the re gaetncleeassetftetrillLsucirkncolls out any public invitation to them. Itolividuelly, Mann solution. The right hon. gentleman the Attorney- Singh, and all others who show a disposition to come in, General for Ireland and others, had complained that the are being encouraged to do so. I consider this enough, resolution did not call on the house to express an and do not believe that mortal man could frame a precis- opinion on Lord C ' ' wining s proclamation at the same ' •if time mation of pardon to penitent mutineers which. issued that it deprecated the despatch of Lord Ellen now to those in Oade, would not be accepted as a sign of keret] th. He (Lord G d • ' . J erich) taought that despatch hesitation, and weakness, and so work us more evil than ' ;‘ - unjustamble, because it passed an hosdle opinion on the good." (Loud cheers and counter cheers.) I will now read an Proclaruation in the abse n c e o f s u ff ic i en t i n formation. When the papers recently adverted to were prmiuced, extract from a letter rf the 6th of March — that explanation would b e f or th com i ng . H e utterly de "My letter by the last mail mentioned a proclamation which I intended to address to the Oude chiefs and land- nded that the proMaination necessarily meant a whole holders. It goes to you officially by this mail. I hoped sale confiscation of property in Gude. Such sweeping that it would be accompanied by an explanatory despatch confiscation would be utterly opposed to Lord Canning's showing why it is i n some respec t s so swee pi n g, and in previous policy. The taunt that this proclamation had others so indulgent, and defending it by anticipation (for emanated from the late Government had been given up, it is sure to be attacked) on other points; but I have had recalled, (Hear, hear, from the Liberal benches.) The things more urgent pressing upon me for every hour of best ~ answer to the other taunt, that the proclamation the past week. You will not, of . conne, print it until it has been acted upon ; at present it stands only as part of was the offspring of Lord Canning's advisers on the spot, an instruction to Oatram.' was the circumstance that the persons who ware to (Ironical ceeers and counter cheers.) These are the pas - carry out the preclamation were the secretary t o th e sages in Lord Canning'a letter to my right hon. friend ; Government, Mr. Eitnonstone, who was with the Go but knowing that Lord Canning bad also been in cor vernor-General at Allahabad, and Mr. Montgomery ; respondence with Lord Granville, his intimate friend, I the previous acts of both of whom had shown that they thought it desirable to ascertain from Lord Granville fully rectgnised the rights of that village community. whether he had received any communications from Lord The hon. baronet the member for Tam worth had spoken Canning touching this proclamation, and whether be of the difference between the proclamations of Lord Cau had thought them of sufficient importance to be eho en rong, and those of Lord Dalhousie. Toe only difference to the Government. My noble friend Lord Granville between the two was, that Lord Dalhou-ie's proclama wrote me, this day, the f eilowing letter on the sub- lions were prospecive, and contemplated confi cation in ject : cease rt b silion should breakout, whereas Lord Canninsee "In reply to your questions respecting my private nor- proposed to deal with a rebellion actually raging. The respondence with Lord Canning since the change of reasonable Prima f scie interpretation to be placed on the Ministry, I beg to inform you that the only letter of poli- proclamation was that offered by the right hon. hart. the tical importance is one which I received on the llsth, and member for Halifax, namely, that Lord Canning was pro of which I read the greater part to Lord Elleuborough on posing to continue the course he was pursuing, but in the 20th of April. I did not read the whole of it for rea- whichhe tvaS interrupted by the mutiny, and had taken sons which I have stated in public, and which it is not advanta aof the events which hal since occurred to en- necessary for me to repeat, but nothing of real insportene.o able him g to dealwith the msurped rights of the Talook was omitted. Every word relating to the proclamation dare (Hear, hear.) Tee teal question fa• decision, how- was read, including the fact that General Oatram had oh jested to its severity, and that Lord Canning had in conse- ever, was the despatch written by Lord Ed-nboreugh. quence added a sentence to the proclamation, which would Before approaching the merits of that question, the make it clear that, though confiscation of proprietary right nob'e lord replied to some of the remarks a hich had in the soil is the general penalty, restitution of it is the fellers in the previous debate from the Attorney-General reward for coining in and behaving well. I was not car- for Ireland, denying that the !ate Presiderit of the Board Min of the data of my communication to Lord Ellen- . f Control (Mr. V. Smith) had spoken the word ins borough, but he has kindly referred to his papers, and has puled to him by the hon. and learned gentleman. If the read to me a memorandum giving the exact date ()fit, and de ,patch was inland.. dto be secret, ha secret, e asked whether in which it is stated that he informed me that he had ' ' the Government really believed the Governor Genera! written to Lord Canning on the subject. Lard Ellen borough has stated that the secret despatch was written on intended a general confiscation of the pr o pe r ty o f th e the 18th, dated the 19th, and sent on the 26th of April, people of India ? If such was the opinion of the Govern and has intimated that no explanations or announcement meet, they had committed a grave error in not recalling of explanations would have altered his view of the noses- him. (Hear, hear, from the Conservatives.) On th e sity of writing and sending his secret despatch. contrary, they had not recalled L trd Canning, but had "GRANVTLLE. left the entire responsibility of governing India upon "P.S.—I have submitted this letter to laird Ellen- his shoulders. The Government should either have re borough, who says that he thinks what I have written to called the Governor-General, or have distineLly told blue Sou is quite correct." that 'ILI proclamation might bear a sinis'er eonst • 110'10 With .Lord Granville's letter is a letter from Lord El • • ' ' ' n, aid that ha was to continue in the course of mercy and lenhoreueln which merely says : toleration which had been the characteristic of his paet "My dear Lord Granville.—lthink that what you have • (se )It '1 1 pelicy. - ear. wow' !saes heel for better if the said to Lord Palmerston is quite correct. „ Government hen f Mewed the ex trople of the late Sir It. " Yours very sincerely, "ELLENI3OROUGII. -- kindred ocea,ion isproposing P.:el on a _ . , • the curse fer (Cheers.) Sir, I thought it reasonable, as so much in the heuse to take in connection i with a former pr ,clann ' terest bas been excitediethis bone with regard to these thin of LerdEl b len i bei b eoug i n (dear, hear.) The cprestien explanatione, to trespatm on the indulgence of the home, of publication ar nd e , en tgiivien up, but if publication wed I hope that the Lome will think that I have only per were intende, as h t i r , _ _m o o t ; y seemed to be ilea case, formed my duty in neaking the statement. (Cheers.) • the despatch tires hly theec ioaable. Toe first part of Mr. BRIGHT.—As I trust that this unp!easant sub rrei to j the despatch rdeconduct ef Lord Cannine, ject wail not again occupy the attention of the house, I to the en zed the secor ;. i? k nexition cf Oude. What would wish to put a question to the noble lord. We have heard the natives o leers. t Hr. , of the disavowal by the II rue to )eight of two letters having been received by the late Government of t i hewhoe of Lord Canning's poiicy with President of the Board of Centro'. Before to-night we hadstatement that tigers was more than one. have no r gird to 0 ede . What would the army of T.ndie, of (dear, hear.) It has been stated that for 10 weeks General e,- . ft whMh the Gevern , or- a 3 ~.),' head, think of such a . disavorvel ? Bet there wan anoth:e• asn,ct of tly! Ties there was no conreninieetion of a direct character Item Lord Cennirg to the I.3,:ard of Control under the late tier', trLiab vitaPy affected th e proceedings s. f ehe G,- Preeident. 1)., I understand the noble I.,rd t eerie :z -Genera ' . L was win 1 - o red the known that one of the Lowe that these two let'.ers, received by the right hie. greatest obstacles whieh Lord C inning hel to overc'ens gentleman the late President of the B .ard of Contrel, :yes the eucroacOing policy of his cauntryreen in Lelia. are all the letters that Lord Canning wrote sea lam te de Ethel overcome that obstacle, but his opponents would Lim cr to the Prime Minister, during those 10 weeks, gait: fresh ceuraee when they h ear d C a et his peliey, on refer rieg to pubic affairs in India? If the noble lord or an important sold, bad beet, diavo.ved ny the British the right bon. gentleman had been frank enough to have Government. (Ceests.) The Oede paragraphs in the de stated the exact circumstances, we should ban avoided spat. h were in the last degree repreh ens ibl e, f or by them very touch of this painful di , cussiaa. toe gaites if t'rat country were toil th a t th e i r lan d was ()Ulna] by us by trout, that the ,file o f th e i r sovere i gn Lord PALMERSTON—The hon. geet. 16 : 1 1 111 was pro teas not open to flee censure which had b een ;sassed on bably not in tl.e house a few days am), a hen I gave an t. A oaeraber of the peatent Goys- Lan . , ee. . ent had s.a.e.! be answeranswer to a question on this euLject. (a: ar, hear.) That ' fore taking office that O:-la ought to he given back was so far incorrect, that I seal my right hog. 1.. 1 ule again to its c • •rff. . (Hear ) - Was that his opinion friend had received three letters from Lord Canning, .01? W 2.8 that toe o i efeion i f the cellective Gavern when in point of fact he hart received four. The dates mint ? The noble ler the member for London had A ell acre Februar sth • Fb • 20th, n from y e teary a extract March Oth an extract remarked that if one Government were to continue dis which I have read to the house ; , , sdecese it. is Ind'a, caletnit avowing the acts of ins pro , . , y from which I have else read ; and a short letter on time mutt befall our rule. Tess was a matter of innuenee gra 17th of March, containing a communicetion Oa a mu i which it was impoesible to aggravate, acid if they twhichright hon. friend sent to the Duee tary - • pin., my of Cambridge, who said ,nitiod to defend an empire which their ancestore and he had received the same inlor • c intemeoraries had c isciniered, they ought to pronounce mation from Sir Colas Campbell , (Cheers.) their censure on south dangeroui doctrines as were can H. RAIN - LINSON—I wish to a ,lt the Ceandel'or Ohned in the proclemation and the del.-ilia:eh. He might of the Exchequer whether he would have any objection almost stop taere, for he was content to rest the vote h e to lay upon the table the despatches received to-day free was going to give on the paragraphs of this despetch, Lord Canning relative to the 0 ade proclamation, so that but he found the motion was to be met by an amendment they may he printed and in the hands of members to was to be supported by tree Gore, ninent (Cheer.) morrow, before the adjourned debate is resumed. (Hear.) Tee CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER—It Tee amendreeat was harmless enough is itself. It ix they are to be printed, they shall be preseuted to the issessed a great deal cf truth which most could admit, house in time for the debate to-morrow. I will give a out it also pa; took of the motion of the Lords, when th e inure recise answer' in the course of the evenieg. Lad Cii inctl'or met a similar vote of censure by the p COUNTY FRANCHISE BILL. previous question. (dear, hear.) The amendme n t st a t e d that the policy of Lord Canning fa Glade, and the pro- Mr. L. KING postponed the motion for the second clatnation referred to, was worthy cf the confidence and reading of this bill until Teuraday, June 2. approbation . of the House of Commons, though they had COMMON LAW PROCEDURE ACT AMEND MENT BILL, not sufficient information on which to form an opinion Mr. ATHERTON moved the second reading of this —not withstandiee it was to • (else' rs) . . , .. the interest of the Government to give all the iref aeration they possessed bill. with referent t to it, whether it told in 'layout or against them. Tue Government, however, had pronounced a censure upon Lord Cunning's policy without informe tion, and they were going to get rid of a direct censure on their conduct by adopting an implied one; but he thought the house would not arr:ve at snob an important cencludoo. (Hoer hear.) II ,on. members on the Minis terial side of the h ouse sa id t h e rea l question, 33 raised !ay the right lion. gentleman the member for Oxford, teal between nu • rsuing a poll- yof cletneecy and a policy of cruelty, tflear, bear, and cheers.) He was rot there to defend a revengeful p dicy or a tyrannical or cruel rule, but to ask the hoes: to 4.1.al fairly and justly to the man who, in a tremendous crisis', and in the midst of the greatest dangers arid alarm, had al in.sst alone amongst his erear t .ryrnen in India resisted the cry of blood. (Lead cheers.) Leal Canning had thrown the whole weight of his ilifluence and authority against those who bad clamoured for indiscriminate justice, and he (Lord Goderich) warm here to defend "clemency Can ning " a eHans, which ho (Lord Goderich) looked upon as conveying the highest hititle o f h pre Imo Canning. (Cheers.) But what did gentlemen on the Mini torial side cf the house mean when they spoke of a revengeful policy ? He had board tnaay smegestioes as to the course that ought to be pursued towards the re bels and mutineers. It had been said that every man taken in arais agai• ' natue ought to be put to death, except a few who shoel.l he resorted for a worse punishment than that. and that he ' , licy gentlemen On the other side of the house approved. (Opposition cheers and "cries of "no, no," from the Mi eisterial benches )if , hen. members on the Ministerial side of the house disaperoverl cf the - policy, be referred them to a recent speech of Lord Derby's in another place, in which that noble lord had laid down that cer tain of the Indian rebels should be reserved for a worse puniehment than d .h • sta —via, by keeping them in eon fieement, arid Make them drag out an existence less pre ferable than death. (Hear, bear.) Teat might be the ministerial policy, but it certainly TVASI not the policy of the Opp?sitient (asar.) To that they opposed Lord Cenning a policy contained in hi orders issued in Jul aid ii'Aeed that due conside ra ti o n for him whi c h the el: gencies of the case dem an d s .?, They wero, however, called upon to decid e a question cf greater importance than the interest tf an individual, viz., whether they should apnreve of, or condemn the course that had been taken by the G seams:tient in censuring the Gov, raor- General in the midst of a state if things , x ting in India that was likely tee endanger the rafety of that empire, and inevitab'y multiply the ma ,,f,11 d i ffi cu l t i es the GJ. vernor-General had to encounter, and leave him to meet them with his bands weakened. (dear.). The course the Government had pursued led inevitably to the conclu sion that her Mejostfa Government were ready to reverse the arrangement Whit:ll had become a part of the settled policy of that contry, an d abandon provinces of our Indian empire whit',, as Minittsre of the Crown it was their duty to reada. (Rear.) He had heard it said on the other side of the house that every man taken in arms against us in India ought to be put to death, or reserved for a worse fate (m urmurs ,. ) Was that their t policy, or was it not . (ul, n°-) They disapproved of it, there "ire every rieu;',o (cheer,,` and counter cheers). He himself bad heard a noble lord in another place deli berately recemtnendthat pence, Y and a right hon, and learned gent'onen in that house (00, no, toad "read"). Well, be a crat! read the remarks of the ndele lord to whom he ref, rred. They were ae follows : "But for ever y one who fought against us, or who treacherously joined the ranks of our opponents, whether soldiers or not—for them, if taken in arms against us, there is but one righteous penalty, and that is death (cheers from the ministerial benches). But fur those miscreants, who perpetrated upon the healers of onr women and chil dren atrocities and barrens over which human nature sielerne, and the veil of deceeey tur,l . , i , be drewn, who have been guilty of unineeginebl atrocities 'against human net ore----fer them desalt is too slight a puni , hrneut. What punishment, wha t terror, can death inflict upon them, when one man who was about to be blown from a ennuee'e mouth —believing that a short and suddea death would put an and to his sufferiegs—tells you that he i ice rejoicieg in this, ',het with his own hell he eleuebtered threat er four of Your cmin a y men and country women. For such aim death is a., punislitnee I. They should here the heavier doom inflieted upon them of protraetad life, o f life, with the Lratid of CAM upon their bro w, denoting their offence, lest any man sly them. Severe, d egra ding, painful corpereal punishment should be their lot. Hopeless, censtaut slavery should be their. fate. Cendeineed to the most degrading occupations, he they Brahmins of the highest caste they should he the slaves of the lowest periall ; aril is chains rend in hopeless boning. they should drag out an existence to which death itself would be a relief they shoul t vainly pray for—a terror to those who may be tempted te share in their gent -an obieet of contemptuous execration to those whose feelings in tho tenderest points they have outraged." (Cries of "Haar, hoer," from all sides of the house.) That was the tt I he r momtnended by the Earl of Derby. An Hon. MEMBER—Yes, for mutineers. (Cheers.) Lord GODERICHs — The Dale lord (the Bail of THE OUDE DESPATCHES. Sir J. V. SHELLEY wished to 11E11 the C'uanc.lior of the Exchequer whether ho would undoubtedly lay the despatches from India upon the table to-night. (Cries of "Order.") The SPEAKER intimated that the hon. gentleman was not in order in putting a question unless it were relevant to the bill before the house. Sir J. V. SHELLEY . moved the adjournment of the debate, in order to put himself in order. It was lin • portant to understand whether these papers were to be immediately ltil before the house, or whether there was any reason why they should not be in the bands of members. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCIIEVER. — I thought that my answer was sufficiently clear. (Hear.) The hon. gentleman must remember that when papers of importance ore sent home and received ther e are many &rcumstaaces which a Minister must consi der be• fore he can promise to place them on the table. (Chu: r 7.) He has to consider not only the public interest, hilt the feelings of private individuals and their friends. All that I undertook wag, that if they were presented to Parlia ment—: nd on that point I did not give an opinion—l would take care that they were presented in time to be in the hands of members to-morro morning. (Cheers.) Lord J. RUSSELL—I cannA bit think that the question of my hon. friend was perfectly reasonable, because it is understood that papers have been received in this country, some of which contain observations; against the proclamation issued by Lord Canning, and others contain his own views on that proclaination. There may he remarks affecting individuals ' and state ments that ought not to be published, but I do not con ceive, while we are still carrying on a great debate in cfnich it is admitted that we are Lot in possession of the grounds on which the Governor-i General acted, that it would be right for the Government totally and cntirely to ref ase the publication of those papers. (Cheers.) I think that whatever may be the modifications which the right boa. gentleman may make, he cannot, but agree to the production of the papers which ought to be in our p Isuession. Mr. VANSITTART asked whether there wore any other letters received from Lord Canning relative to the Oude proclamation before those mentioned by the noble lord. Lord PALMERSTON—I have stated that there ware no'. Sir H. WILLOUGHBY was sure the noble lord (J. Russell) would not be an advocate for layieg papers on the table without due consideration. The house had only jut learnt a lesson on that subject. (A. laugh.) Tea Chancellor of the Exchequer would neglect a public duty if he did net take care that these papers were not hid without duo consideration. Lord J. RUSSELL—I did not say that due conside ration ought not to he used. I only meant to say that the papers ought not to be totally refused. (Hear.) Mr. SCOTT said, that the despatches received by the right hon. gentleman (Mr. V. Smith) related to the pre st:int subj-pct Of debate. They appeared to be a continua tion c f other despatches that had previoudy arrived, sad it wa , , therefore, only fair to the house t. -. .at the noble lord (Palmer-ton) and the right hon. gentlemen (Mr. V. Smith) should give the house those parts of these letters that related, not to private, but to public affairs, so that they might he laid on the table at the same time ar the desp:itcbe; of the Governor-GPneral just r.cnived. Lord P.A.LMERSTON sald that if ho received any despatchei he should be very happy to croduce them. (" Oh I") Mr. MILE 3 s.e;tl that the noble lord the member for the City of London had entirely misuridvntood the an seer of h:s ri!ht hon. friend (Mr. Disraeli). It et , m e 3 p,r • fectly clear that a Minister of the Crown would ai .t promise to h.; them immediat ly bef ire the hon e. (Hear.) Ilk right hou. friend said that if he could duce thorn they should be in the hands cf meml . .ere cc wort c;v: , moriiirqr. (Hear, hear.) Mr. ../I.Y.EZTON wished to point out the extrordinAry ~, cour,o which svgs being pressed tipni st the o rtovern n Lt. Tao motion was made to exellrle from considerat:,:n th, came and the couseqnenc3s of the proclamation ; but now there was a w, - ,nd .trfal desire to have both the came and the c mse.quen:!eo; considered. (*lear, hear.) If t'ln mover of tic resolution wkbed to go into th , rge quo , - tiona he ,hol:11 , 'o so honestly, by amending his mot - 00. (Cheers frelt the Ministerial benches.) Why no•J, ae f all paper', and demand either the bporr.val o r oo „,i,„ . • aa.ion f the procla;ration ? (Rear.) Let the right h.m. {ei , timlau take thst cour:e or &olio by that into which • e hal fallen—viz., of conAdering the despatch apart 101 l ;be question which it raked. Though it might br, come the right hon. gentlewao (Ur. azdwell) to ai.id ,way all prop r i e t ary r i ghts in the kingdom of Oude it will have these result s — t h at there will be nobody 'con nected with the land but the Government of India and the humble cultivator who tills the soil -- (heal) —and that the whole. produce of th e l and of ()tide and of theindustry of its people, w ill b e divided into two most unequal portions ; the large share will go to the Government in the shape of tax, and the smaler share, ehich w:11 be a handful of rice per da will go to the cultivator of th e so il. (H ear.) Now this the Indian system. It is the grand theory of the civilians under whose advice I very much fear Lord Canning has unfortunately acted; and you will find in many parts of India, especially in the Presidency of Madras, that the Foaulatlon consists entirely of these humble cultivators', and that the Government stands over them with a screw, which is perpetually turned, leaving the handful of rice a day to the ryot, and transferring all the rest of the produce of the soil into the exchequer of the East India Company. Nov, I believe that the proclamation sanctions this policy, and I believe further, that the re solution which the right hon. gentleman asks the house to adopt sanctions that proclamation—(hear)—that it wi l l be so read in India, and that whatever may be.the infiusnce—unfortunate as I believe it will be—of the proclamation itself, the statement that this, the highest court of appeal, has pronounced in favour of Lord Can ning's policy will be one of the most unfortunate decla rations that ever went from the Government of India to the people of that country. (Cheers.) Let me, then, for one minute—and it shall be only for one minute— draw the attention of the house to our pecuniary deal ings with Oude. A friend of mine has extracted from a book on tLis subject two or three facts which, as we are considering t e policy of England towards this afflicted country, I should like to read to the house. It is stated that under the government of Warren Hastings up to the arrival of Lord Cornwallis. in 1736, the Eest India Company obtained from the King of Oude, and therefore from the industry of the people of Oude, the sum of 9,252,000 L Under Lord Cornwallis they received 4,290,000/. ; un ftir - Lord Teigneneuth 1,280,0001. ; and under Lord W e ll es l ey, 10,358,000/. ' This, I , ought to say, includes the acquisition of the Doaa in 1801, in lieu of a subsidy, the revenue of that district being 1,352,000/. Coming down to 1814, there was in that year a loan of a million, in 1815 a loan of in 1816 a loan of a million, in 1825 a loan I of a million, in 1826 a loan of a million, in 1829, 600,0001., and in 1838, 1,700 , 0 001. Some of, them are loans, and in one ease the loan was repaid by the cession of a portion of territory, which the Company in a very few years, and under an excuse which I should not like to justify, reannexed, and therefore the debt was virtu ally never repaid. The total of all these sums is 31,500,0001., in addition to which the people of Oude have paid vat amounts in salaries, pew-ions, and emolu ments of every kind to the Company's servants in the employment of the Government of Oade. Now, I am not going further into details, but I say that the history of ..ur counexime with the country wacee interests we are now discussing is of such a nature that it ought to make us pause before we consent to any measure which shall fill up the cup of injury which we have presented to the lips of the people. (Cheers.) Two years ago we deposed the sovereign of Oude. Everything that he had was seized ; much of it was soli. Indiguity and wrong were offsred to his family, as the governors of that kingdom. I h ave h ear d some h on. gentlemen speaking from this &de endeavour to persuade the house that this cenfiacatien policy only intended that we should reed: re the taxes of Oade (hear; heat) ; but that is a delusion ; it is a statement so ab -mi that I am asto nished that even hon. members who euapert this mo tion should offer L. to the house. (A. leurgh.) In 1856, when you dethroned the King of Oude, yen stepped into his place, you became the recipient.: of all legiti mate 11 ttional taxes ; and now, having seized the 500,000/ a-year, the revenue of that emetry, toreder solemn treaty coivaiairea a clause that if there was aey surplus revenue it should be put to the credit of the kingdom of Ourie, and having, contrary to the treaty, applied that surplus to the general purp.isee of ladie, yeti descend below the rank of the king, and to every talooadar, to every landowner large or small, to every roan who has a proprietary right in the soil, to every men but tee steeliest, the hutntiest capitalist who cukti votes it—to a'l tan se you sty, in language which canon: b. tnisteken, "Come do n from tee in lependance and dignity you bare hitherto ci.j yeti. As we have done in other provinces in India wi shall do her-: Two fifths, of you hace not been mixed up in this war, but in dill general confiscation ianocar.t roust cellar eith the guilty, for such is iL3 fortune of war, and sech is the reaf irtune which we are about to inflict upon you." (Ceeere) If this be riot a proctana t:on of unheard of severity, box comes it that so many persons have proseeted against it? Die any man in tue world believe that the noble lord the member for the the \Vest 'tiding understaeds this proclamation better than the ii!ga authorities whose opiatons Lave been qu slo i ? (Cowers.) Dies be suppose that the llou of eozotliozs wi 1 take hie authority open a inetter this kind before that of the united press - ef India ? (Cries of Oa, oh I and cheers.) I d say hon. members have not read anything in the newspapers of India upon the subject. Some of them applaud the proclamation be cause, they say, that at one fell swoop it does that which line taken us 20 years to do in other dietricts— it destroys every man who can iefluence the pe lite of the country against the Britieli ru:e. Others say that it is a proclamation of such a character that it mu ,t cause war to the knife against the English name in Ou aad that the Governor-General who issued ,uch a document ought to have been prepared with a new army at his back in order to enforce it. (Gear, hear) Toe right Iron. gentleman the AAoreey-General for Ireland re ferred to what was said two or three weeks ego by the hon. and learned member for Devonport (Sir E. Perry). I will call the house to witness whether, when, in an swer to my cpeestion which brought out this despatch, the Chasc.iller of the Exchequer said that with respect; to the policy of confiscation—for that is the only Orie l ; in the proclamation about which there is any dispute— the Government disavowed it in every sense,—l call the house to witness whether every gentleman present down hero (below the gangway) did not cheer that sentiment. (Cheers ) Why, of course, every man cheered it. They would not be men, they would not be Eoglikisen, they wasllaoZ , be English legislator?, if they net done so. They would be me n w h o h a d never L air d w h a t was just and right if, at the very instant they heard the de claration of the Grovernmeet, every instinct within them did not co m pel them to an enthusiastic assent. hear.) Is was only when the fatal influent: of party—(':a•:ers)—and the arts that partyknows . how to employ—(renewed cheerios)—were put in mutton that hen. gentlemen began to discover thao. there was some thing 'serious and dangerous in this memorable despatch, Now, I would ask the house—because that is the ques tion—are we prepared to sanction the policy of that despatch 1 lam sorry that it did not occur to me until alter the amendment now before the house was proposed, or I would have moved an amendment expressly on that point; because I fecl—l speak it without the slightest reference to the influence it may have on any party in this house—that it is of the very highest con sequence that whatever decision we come to shall be in capable of any misinterpretation when it arrives in India. We have been treated to a good deal of eloquence upon the manner of the despatch, and I mutt say a word or two upon that point. The noble lord the member far London has fallen into the error committed by most of the speakers in favour cif the resolution—the error namely, of treating some of the outside circumstances of the case as if they were the case itself. (Hear.) He did not sta'o that there was a single word iu the de spatch which was not true—(hear, hear)—although he did express what I thought was a rather immoral senti- ment for so eminent a statesman. (Alaugh.) The noble lord told us that after a great crime had been committed men in offle-s were never to let it be known or suspected that they thought it was a crime, (Cheers.) Lord J. RUSSELL—Tee hen. gentleman is mistaken; I never said anything of the kind. Mr. BRIGHT-1 did not hear the noble lord, but I read his speech, and I can say positively that many friends of mine, net members of this house, have eome to the same unfortunate conclusion as myself. The noble lord, however, did not say what I have just told the house, but what he did say was, that there was a great deal of sarcasm and invective in the despatch, and ne road a passage to show that such was the case. Bat the fact is a good deal depends upon the retailing. (Hear, hear.) I could read a despatch of the noble lord in such a manner as to astonish the house with its concealed irony and sarcasm. (Laughter) The noble lord, if I are not mistaken, told the house that if the despatch were a proper despatch to be sent out to India Lord atening was not fit to occupy the meanest official situation. Now, Indian despatches have never been very gentle. I have read over and over again in Mill's illstary despatches sent out by the President of the Board of Control and the Court of Directors, and I have often thought that they were written in a tone rather more authoritative and dictatorial than I should myself be disposed to use or pleased to receive. (Hear.) The explanation is obvious. In old times the magnates sitting in Leadenhall-street were writing, not to Lord Canning or men of that altitude, but to merchants and agents whom they had sent to India, who were entirely dependent upon them, and to whom they could say just what they liked. The consequence is, that their des patches for 100 years had a character for severity and arrogance which I think might now well be dispensed with. (Hear, hear.) Still, that is a matter to be taken 'Lao consideration when many of us are disposed not only to censure Lord Ellenborough, but to dethrone a Government because a despatch has not been written precisely in those gentle terms which we think ought to bo employed in a document addressed to the Governor- General of India. (hear, hear.) But the noble lord i the member for London ought t o b e v er y f or b ear ing, n- I asmuch as he lives in a house a s b r ittl e as t h a t of any of Derby) said for all who had joined in the mutiny. An Hon. MEMBER (from the Radical benches) — Treacherously joined. (Hear, and cheers.) Lord GODERICH—That might be the policy of hon. members oil the Ministerial side of the house. It was not that of the Opposition. (Cries of "Hear, hear,) He should conclude by saying that he would not wriggle cut of the question that was fairly before the house by cot ng for the amendment of the hon. member for S Nau sea, and he should therefore support the resolution of his right hon. friend the member for Oxford. (Great cheering from the Opposition.) i Mr. BRIGHT—I am afraid that lam hardly able to • take part in this discussion in a manner becoming the magnitude of the question, or in any degree in accord ance with the anxiety I have long felt with regard to Indian affairs. I happen, however, unfortunately and accidentally to have been mixed up with this matter, and my name has been frequently referred to in the course of the debates in this and in the other House of Parliament, and I am therefore unwilling to sit still and vote without expressing my opinion to the house. (Hear.) In the first place I may, perhaps, be allowed to say that almost everything which has been said or imagined with regard to any part which I have had in bringing onShis discus sion has been altogether erroneous and without any foundation whatever. (Hear, hear.) There was no arrangement whatever between the hon. gentleman the Secretary to the Beard of Control and myself with re gard to the question which I thought it my duty to put to the Government on the subject of Lord Canning's proclamation. I had some time before spoken to the hon. gentleman on the subject, because I had been informed by Mr. Dickinson, a gentleman who has an extensive correspondence with India, that some-proclamation of this character was in preparation and was about to be i- sued, and when I spoke to the hon. gentleman upon the subject he told me that ho had no information with regard to ia and I told him then that if anything of the sort took place I should put a question to the Govern ment on the subject. That conversation took place three weeks before I put the question which I did put to the hon. gentleman, and when I read the proclamation in the newspapers I came down to the house, not having seen the bun. gentleman in the meantime. (hear.) On my way down I met my hon. friend the member for Swelport, and he told me that, having read the procla mation in the newspaper, and knowing my intentions upon the subject, he had till the hon. gentleman the Secretary to the Board of Control that he thought that in all probability I would put a question to him upon the subject. I came down to the house and put my question, and the answer which I received is before the house and b fore the country, and I confess that I did not think that we were going to lose a week from the daces-ion of the Indian resolutions oa account of that question. (hear.) At regard the qeesaon before the house I should have been content to leave it as it was when the hon. and learned Soliciter-General sat down— (seer)—and I think that then the bone mieht very well have come to a vote. (Hear.) I could not but com pare the speech of the hog, and learned gentleman with that of the right hon. gentleman the member for Oxford. (Loud criee of "Hear.") I thought that the right hoc curable member fur Oxford tacked together a great many very small matters in an attempt to make up some great case, and it appeared to me that he ad dressed the house in a manner which indicated that he himself was not perfectly satisfied with the comae which he was pursuing—(loud cries of " Hear, hear ")—for I think that if he had been stimulated by the sense that he was nudertakine a e, , reat public duty he would 'nave delivered a more lively and impressive speech. (liver, anil a laugh.) N iw, the speech of the hoc. and learned Solicitor-General—and I think that every gentleman who heard it will agree wall nee--wag closely logical and appeared to exhaust the vagumeitte which might be 'lied; and I have net spoken to any one who will not admit that speech was a complete answer to all that is a, all serious in the charge now brought against the Gocerninent, (Cheers.) The motion now be• fore the house is impel teat cateidered in two aspects— in the first pates, as affmiing the intereets of party at home—which some person., perlatpa alight think the most importaat ; and, in the second place, as to tLo effect which will be peodueei upon them frode of the pea ple of In tic by this discus ion and the division abotr, to ;eke pleee. Now, let us beer in rnial that the greet bulk of the native princes, whether. under or rot subject to English rule are ni t very like) , t c 7rrectly underaterid what is the result of any cabal or p illtieal C , CI 4 p;IT:Cy. (hoe'.) They w nothing of indaeduals here, and those "lend cheers" whin in a cleat, , excise us so much here are nothing whatever to them. The question which they will ask will hie what is the opitneet of the P..riia meat of England with regard t) tee policy announced in the proclamation of Lerd Caniting—(ctteco—and I compaeiu, arid I think the house hail a right to countilain a ni sawyi hear) wind h ea r T t Tae es doesnd o e l e not blow,l o o t r h n e t that tha re,olutio n o f th e r i g h t h on. ceetaraa3 cat efelly de a t lll o v e ' n f li d e b s e e t t r h t f h a U e t r (l in th 3 a c e t s t l ,. S i r ' '' e n , b . t y lt a ll :d e s i Luz that he wishes to deal with it in a direct manner. Now, w hat can be less direct than the resolution itself ? (Hear, hear.) And that it is so has been proved by the fact that through the -.Weole course of the debate every s ratites argument which ha.; been used, every serious feeling weigh has been txprested, bee had re ference to the character and nature of the proclama tion, and not to those little matters which Lave been mixed up with this great queetioe. (Hata) one, I believe, defends the pros imitation. Geer.) All that has been done is to endeavour to show that it was nut rightly understood by those who censured it as announ cing a policy of confiscation. In lac we are asked to believe that it means something which it does not say, and that it does net mean that which in the Eaglish language it distinctly states. (Llama) The right hon. gentleman asks the house to do that which appears to be an absolute impossibility, for he wants us to con demn the censure without expressing any opinion as to the po:icy of the proclamation. New, I do not believe that the right host. gentleman, although he has unfortu nately been led into this movement—(loud cheers) — wishes the house to pronounce an opinion in favour of the principle of confiscation. (Renewed Lamers.) No man, I believe, would wish us to pronounce that opinion —(t)ear)—but if we pronounce now a deci,iou against that ceucure, I ask any man whether it is possible that the people of India can form any other opinion tean that the House of Commons is favourable to tee prin ciple of tho proclamation ? (aear, hear.) With regard to the publication cf their censure by the Government, I can only say that it is remarkable how men can turn round upon that which they. themstltee formerly pro fessed. Upon this side of the house hon. gentlemen have efteu complained that the secrecy of the Foreign-office and of other departments has been the cause of the greatest possible mischief—(hear)—and will they now Bay that the publication of their censure by the Govern ment was a very higher:me and misdemeanour? (Heara Why, surely, hon. gentleman below the gangway upon this side of the louse ought to regard it frith some de gree of sympathy as leaning rather to the side of virtue. (Elear.) Now, with regard to the language of the de spatch, why any Government or any Minister might be censured if we chose to take up every word of e. cry de spatcb. (Hear.) Some men are more strongly im pressed than °triers, and write with stronger feeling—, and I for my own part like persons to write and speak in a way that they can be understood. (Laughter and hoar, hear.) In my opinion the motion before the House is a disingenuous attempt to lead the House into a very unfortunate dilemma, and I think that no judicial mind will deny that by voting for the reeolu ion we aro acknowledging the policy of the pro chtnati.m—(No, no, and bear. hear)—sod that is a step which will produce an effect which may be very den geroas in the minds of the population of India. (Hear.) I now c 'ma to the real question, namely, the policy of coufiecatioa as announced in the proclamation. (No, no, and hear.) There are certain things upon which I think we are all agreed, and one of them is that the people of Oude are enemies, but they are not rebels. (No, no, and bear, hear.) No, no ! Why, I thought that I understoood that those persons who blame Lord Ellenborough are of opinion that he would not have been deserving of blame- if he bad written a deapetch like that of the Court of Directors. (Hear, hear.) Well, in that very despetch the principle is laid down that tee people of Oude are not rebels and ought not to be treated as rebel e but enemies ; and if so, then we have no right to treat them otherwise than the law of natiens indicates. Will the house accept that proposi tion? (No, no, and hoar. hear.) Very well, hon. gen tlemen who will act accept it cannot be included by the noble lord the member for West Riding in the list of those in favour of the policy of clemency and concilia tion. (Loud cries of hear, bear.) I am certain that the people of England will accept that definition—(hear, hear) —I am certain that civilised Europe will accept it ; and I am equally certain that history, which will record this debate, will accapt it as cue which no man claiming to be a statesman, a moralist, or a Christian can pos sibly escape. I new come, and on that point I will be as brief as possible—to the question, what is the mean ing of confiscating the proprietary rights in the soil ? We have beard from a noble lord in another place, and it has been steel in the course of the debate here, that this sentence of confiscation refers only to certain un pleasant persons alio are called telookdars, who are barons, anil robber chiefs, and the oppressors c f the people. (aear, hear.) This is by ne means the first time that after a great %neg has been committed the wrong doer has attempted to itijure by calumny those upon whom the wrong has been inflicted. (Hear, hear) Lord Shaftesbury, who is a sort of leader in this great war, has told the world that this proclamation refers only to 600 persons in the kingdom of Oude. Let us tyke him upon Lis own term. The kingdom of Dada La , 5,000,000 inhabitant', abut one-sixth cf the population of the United Kingdom. Ape lied to the United King dom in tee same ratio, this population would affect 3,600 persons. In both Houses <f Parliament there are probably 700 landed proprietors ; it would, therefore, be an edict of centl,cetion to landed proprietors in the United Kit glow equal to five times the number in both Houses of Parliament (hear ) An Loa. gentleman al; that I ate all alma; is my figures ; I shalt be glad to leas his figures allerwarda laugh.) That is not the fact, but it it were, it would amount, cot ton poittical, but to a comelete suoild revolution in Oude; ame living in a coun try where we have one great province, in Scotland, be langiug to one member of tbe house of Lords, and 70 or SO milee cf territory to another, rand having Duke. of Bedford and Dukes of Devonshire in England, surely we ought to be a little careful that we do wEhout jsetrce overturn the proprietary rights of the greet telookdera and landowners in Ragas. (Neer, bear.) But it is a fact which anybody may ascertain by rearrieg to books which have been written, and witnesses who cannot be mistaken, that this document applies to more than 40.000 landowners in the kingdom tf Oude. Anil what is meant by these preprietary right.? We must tee what is the general ceurse of the policy tf our Government is India. If you sweep ne. (Cheers and laughter.) When the noble lord takes his pen in his hand it is irupossiolo to say what he will send forth to the public. (Laughter.) I have known the noble lcrd to write an c-xtraorJinary Ltter, which he .übtiess intended to be my pryer in its p h ra seology, toa bishop. (11.enewed laughter) I am no t ADXIOtI3 to deal severely with the noble lord, but when a grave statesman writes to eo holy a man ASass bishop one might at lza,t expect that he would avoid tarcasin and invec tive. (Cheer:, and laugh:er.) Yet, in the letter to which I refer the noble lord hurled his sareisai and invective against sinus 6,000,000 of his fellow-subj,cts, an d did great inischitf to the peace cf the united king dom at the time. (iLar, near and cheers). I can tell the noble lord of another letter, in which there was not much sarcasm or invective, but an eannzing amount of insinuation cf the most unplemant character. It was written not to the Governor-General of India, a proc°ll- E UI 10.000 tnilo9 away, but to a nobl e man filling one th e most delicate and difficult offices connected with °f' ' Upon that home government of the united kingdom occasion tto noble lord transgressed further, for in the most manner, when nobody asked hi m , he published the letter, and thereby f or a l ong period weakened t the hands anal damaged the _ c h arac t e r of the n o la viscount the rumba f)r Tiverton. (Queers, anj. laughter.) There is one other point which I must notice—the offset of the despatch upon the feelings of Lord Canning.. I am not so intimate with Lord Canning as many niembeis of this house, 'out I have had the pleasur e of hi s acquaints eine, and have always thought that he was one of the last men who would knowingly do anything inhuman or unjust. (Hear, hear.) That is my opinion still. (Cheers.) I think be is to be commiserated, as any other man in his position wool! have been who happened to be is India at such a time as the present ; and we are bound to take a lenient view of such errors as we may suppose he has committed: (Hear, bear.) If I were in India or anywhere else in the service of the State. I should ex pect that there would be a general disposition to give me fair play in the exercise of my office, and that no strained construction to my injury would be put upon anything which I did. (Hear.) Tbat is the view which I hold with respect to Lord Canning. I have never said a syllabl e aga i nst him in public, although I think some of h ie acts have been open to objection, and I am not about to say anything against him now, (Hear, hear.) I would not support a resolution which had for its object the damaging of Lord Canning, and I think the hon. member for Swansea has not done amiss in offering to the house the amendment of which he has given notice. (Hear, hear.) But it is just possible that Lord Canning is in the midst of circumstances which have rendered it difficult, perhaps impossible, • for him to exercise his own ca l m judgment upon the great question which forms th e su bj ect of hisprocla mation. (Hear, hear.) I see in that proclamation not an emanatii n from the humane and just mind of Lord Canning, but an emanation from that mixture of red tape and ancient tradition which is the foundation of the policy of the old civilian council of Calcutta. (Cheers.) But if it were a question of hurting Lord Canning's feelings and denouncing his proclamation, I could not hesitate as to the choice which I should make. Private and personal feelings are but of slight and tempo rary importance compared with the vast and permanent interests involved in the dangerous questions which we are now discussing. (Hear, hear.) I think, moreover, that the right hoe. gentleman the member for Oxford, the nablo lord the member for the West Riding, and the noble lord the member for - London, have no right to throw themselves into contertions of agony—(a laugh)— witis regard to the manner of the despatch, because, as was stated the other night by the lettorney-General for Ireland, they did not care so mu h for the feelings of another public servant acting on behalf of the Crown at a still greater distance from England, when last year they joined in pronouncing an emphatic condemnation of the conduct of Sir John Bowring. (Cheers.) I like fair play, (Cheers.) I would treat Lord Canning as I would treat Sir John Boa r;ng and Si , . John Bowring as I would treat Lord Canning, (Hear.) Do not let us have iu the service of the Sate low-caste men who may be trampled upon at pleasure and high -caste men whom nobody dare criticise. (Cheers.) I said when I began that the resolution is important to something else beside India. It is important to the position ef p ernes in this house. (Hear, hear) Lat me d evo t e a few wards to teat breach of the sutject. lam afraid—and I hope I am not slandering anybody in saying so—that there is quite as much zeal for what is called place as zeal for the good of ue (Cheers.) If the despatch had been published three months ago, when we were all sitting on the other side cf the house, it is prebeble that many gentlemen who now speak so severely of it would have thought it a noble &spates, c mteining noble se. timents, expressed in noble language. (Loud cheers and laughter.) But for the last two months there has been a ,`rowing irritation observable on this side of the he use. (A. laugh.) There has been a feeling which no ingenuity has been able to disguise— (clsers)—tlat if the present Government remained in office over the session no email difficulty would be found in dilelacing it. (Continued cheers.) When a tree is newly planted it n ay easily be pulled up, but it soon strikes its roots right and left and downwards, and at the end of a year the etrongeet man may not be able to tear it cut of the ground. (Cheers.) Now, hon. gentle men oppoeite know that I (I.ff•r very widely from them en many pane gut - alone, an l provably at no very die ' tant (Inv they may find it out in some net of severe hos tility —(a laugh)—but I put it to the house whether out cf dowel tbo reptration of the present Government is no:, in ene . ey respects, better than that of the last ((liens ) i uofertelee to say that, with no exception, the judgment of deputations from the couutry, for ex- - ample, will be in favour of the manner in which they have been ;ecieved by the present Ministers, and of the way in which their t.iggezti9os requests have been treated. (feeeere.) Itia , ; nosy be no great master; Ido nit say it is ; but I make the observation f r the benefit of gentle men who sit on this side ef the house, because it is pos sible that they ally Lave to receive deputations again. (a. laugh.) Take the con 'not of th r present Ministers in this how.e. I know i may be sail that being a weak Government, aid not having a majority at their backs, they are obliged to be very civil. (,' Hear, hear," and a laugh ) Bat what I maintain is, that every Ministry ought to be very civil to the House of Commove— (cheer-)—and what I am prepared to assert is—we all know the fact—that during the existence of the late Go • vernment civility was entirely unknown. (Great cheer ing.) Take another point, for it is worthy of the coo• Bid, ration of hon. gentlemen on this tile of the house ; and I ask honourable gentlemen sitting below the gang way to look to the., hereditary trouel ee th a t w ere going o n with resptet to our foreign policy, and which the existing Gavernmount found they had to deal with on their accession to office. There was the Censpiracy Bln which would have landed you on the very verge of a war, if not in war , w ith F rance. Th a t danger has ben avoided, by no concession, certainly, in jerious t i the honour of England. (Hear.) Take another question which agitate 1 the p abhc mind with respect. to Naples. I am not going into details on that subject ; but, as fer as a Government could act I think this Government has acted with judgment. (Hear, hear.) I believe the noble lord below me (Lord J Russell) admitted that him self. With respect, then, to these questions, seeing the dilemma to which the foreign affairs of the country were brought under the last regime, it is but fair, generous, and just that we on this side of the house should take no step which bears the colour of faction for the purpose of throwing the present Government out of office. (Cheers.) Whenever I join in any act to put the right hon. gentle men opposite out, it shaq be for something I clearly un derstand, and something that the country will clearly un ehrstand—(eheere)—:_omething that shall offer a chance of good to sumo portion of the British empire, and a chance of advancing distinctly the great principles which, if we are a party at all on this side of the house, we profess to have agreed upon. (Hear,) But there is another point to which I wish to advert. Not only is it feared that the right hon. gentlemen opposite would get firm in their seats, lout it was also feared that some mem bers near me might get less firm in their alliance with right Lon. gentlemen on this s de. (Hear) I have heard of mutinous discussions and meetings, and of language of the most unpardonable character uttered, no doubt in the heat of debate, as gentlemen say now. But something was going on in committee room No. 11, which, it was thought, unless it were put a stop ti, would break up powerful ranks, which, if united, might storm the Trea sury bench, and replace the last Government in office. (Cheers.) I believe it was intended that there should be a desperate effort made to change the state of things here before Whitsuntide. (Loud cheers.) That was a resolution come to long before anybody knew anything about Lord Ellenborough's despatch, and this teemed to be a convenient opportunity, inasmuch as it ap peared to be defending an absent servant of the Crown, and teaching a lesson to the government for what was declared to bo their injudicious conduct in publishing the despatch. Teis altogether appeared a very likely occasion for putting forward a pretext on which right hon. gentlemen might rile to office. (Rear, hear) Ido not now speak to the Whigs in this house, or to those gentlemen who have been in office and expect to be is office again ; but I should like all those gentlemen who call themselves indep l ndent membe rs , an d w h o come to this nouae with ineelenwt of place, patronage, favour, or emolument of any kindlor theinselyes, but with the ho nest desire to serve their ceuntey as members of the House of Commons, would consider what might be the result of the present discussion... if the present resolu tion should be carried, it was , Supposed that the oil go v,rnment, or some thine like it , would come back again. Now, there was great discontent with thatgovernreent before it want out of °filen; but no pledge has been given as to its future conduct; no assurance that it would be better or different than Ikermerly. No new measures have been promised, no nisw policy avowed, and no new men have been held forth to the public very distinctly to take the high offices in the state; but there has been something %na I think the members of this house must have felt pain in witnessing. (Hear, hear.) There have been newspapers greatly in the interest of the ex-Treasury bench (cheers), and in themostruon blushing knew exactly manner articles have proceeded ev identlym the pen of s nneeody (loud cheers) who h f what was wanted to be done. (Sear, hear ) For exam ple, whom I do in committee-room No. nle gentleman. case—a gentleman who as the other circumstances of.hthtehe not mean to mention, for de house knows him as well meeting, is held oat, took a moot prominent p for a certain o another gentleman, who made and no one is tn ifi or e e e in i d f ig a a n n r alt e a r t f g t o t v h e a r a hm hi e m n s t elf ca , as fixed ) the l r il e r o l r a to a o in ved or seconded a resolution, is a (C s h p e e e e r c s h . he is to be placed ; and before also held out for office, but it is not stated exactly in positionere is held u tha glittering ball p l ac e . in . the incoming government. I many what precise o t herst that thi s is meant merely for the hon. gentle but the glittering ball is held up, and every Ea dmoof a e n nn'o i ; s tel e aer e Ym pe e Cted to look at it. (Loud cheers.) These are not all the al is employed. lion, gentlemen sitti n g bslow the gangway with us for years—gentlemen of the most independent character— receive flattering and beautifully engraved cards for great parties in splendid mansions; and not later than Friday last, of all times, those invitations were scattered abroad, if not with more liberal, no doubt ssi.h a more discriminating band than Lreiterly. Oi course (it is very absurd, no doubt, but that is why I mention it), if those cards of invitation coetain,d a unto giving exac t ly a hi story of them, that. note would say, " We have measured your head and gauged your soul, end we know, or believe (for I believe they do not know), that your principles which you came to Parliaineet to support, your charaoter in this house, and y, ur self-respect, will go for nothing in sight of a meseratle tempta:ion like this.' (Cries of "Oh I" and cheers.) If we could see those persons taking the counts sail to ho takee by the celebrated horse-tamer, who ap pali, I am told, to the noble and intelligent instincts , of the acitnal he tattles, then I should not complain ; but they appeal to instincts which every honourable mind repudiates, and to aspirations which I hope la() gentleman in this Louse will be influenced by. (Clbstevo Ifthey euceeed, what sort of Government should It, e ? lam as anxious for a Liberal Government a, any man in this house, bet I cannot believe that in this pr Bent p 0.1,10 n of parties on this side of the house i liberal rod solid Government can be formed. We are' toll, and the whole country is fixed in expectation and LS. 1331 a 3A i 4i 8 li 2 2 li ,