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n at case his Majesty would "be perfealr right from such Ministers a promise that advice - should not he repeated. A tr. ,r,imßE exylained. t . itr..T.AWICES declared, that in his opinion the cp •simply—whether or not we were any fo adhere to the British Constitution ? Under - the . circuiostances of the ease, bethought that, his 3,-..l . jesty's Ministers had ailed discreetly in withdraw- . 'Roman Catholic-Bill -but he must- at the . say,,t , hat abandoning the Bill they had. p -1,1, all itie daerenee that Was doe to - the scruples ()t theaugust PersonagetwwfrosefeelingsTthe Bill was r •000aht: they proceeded, one step. further, !,ad .they signet.; :tly pledge .for their future conduct, ihey Ceased- for one mornent r ta be the unft.ittered viler, of their Sovereign in the present stateof.the. Empire, they would havehee„Opst - 2 heyond 01 redemption to all seise ofdecency l and_shatue, 1.)6 hat e , aeted in the tuosJ uncon7ititotional and un,- j...tstifiable..nianner, The.fevonsibility of Ministers Cie'securiti of the priNileges.of this country,and di 4,lolonilted it front every, other. If those were no longer- free-agents, where was: this Te r soonstbdity to -be found ? If they tied themselves )wn to, give that : advice to the, Crown which , s!oteik.l- he palatable to. it, :in what -a state of (lan ,ger- ini4ht . the count ry he placed!, He'. %Alai retotiilbed, he was. terrified, at the language, of the prosent day on this isubjed. How different, from that of' the reign of William the 111. whose. Mi nisterwere.contrinually giving him advice that was even personally disagreeable to, that , .Monarch, such ter! instance, as to diichargp' his Du'..ch pards,, 4c. hut who. were never dismissed: on that acconnt.--f if once a Minister of :the Crown ivvere heard. in Oh. House of Commons to. alledo in defence of hit conduCl, that lie did not think himself tiffed in offering. incompatible .advice to his &we - 7 - , reZgn, adieu to the • BectiA Constitution'. If once' this great land-mark wtrelost, all soon he lost. "As to the uprightness of intention in an Au.:- qua, PerSonacre, ,th uniform pra6tice.of 'bad o !:;utiiciently manifested it but the conviaiorti that he fey of this fad- should never indute him th , surren der 'a single privilege.of .Constitution, that most voidable .and; inestimable legacy of our forefathers. , , thelast month the inoq irocOnstitutional doctrines had been generally circulated; whatever rnight.be the fate of his flon. Friend's Motion; he was grateful to hiin forhaving, by bringin g forward ~enabled forwarenabled him tolenter his:protest agains.t those do&rines. He had. hitherto supported the - treasures of AdMinistmtion, becau4e.he thought that those measureswere beneficial to-the country. It had been said of that Administra, t ion, that they had promised much and dOne nothing, Winit l• was the suspension of taxation nothing ? Wis the Abolition of the Slave. Trade,nothing .Was the ainelioration of. the Seotch: Law nothing ? In the :tut) , possession of. power --was the det, rrpina 7 tion to curtail patronage nothing ?- Was: the. 64N - -, sit n so anxiously 'Manitested to heal the .wouri4-, (4 Ireland,.nothing; • Pledges had-.frequet' ItTy been g E.by. .public, .a p peft to . been Ouen only q . o be broken; he trusted-that_rnlßwpql4,, now bt fonn&whOwould.not.barWr th6rsonseienets • f4rarty-ecttsideration. F:or,-hiim.4ll he . hii4.l)Gtiting twhope orlear -; it was a matter of inciiifereuee,,to, hit - n. by Whom the State was - goverhed, so it , was' go- , verned ..veil. arknowla;ivd.great itttlivi,lnoi • ta;ents-,eloqdence, atid , Scuterifin . the npw , nistratiou s but; et)niinced as he was,of the .prpme,ty itis Hon.:. Friend's motion, he 'felt. bow).4 : to, give leis hearty assent - - Mr. titilonatcE, ongerving that. the late , ..l) , l•inisters cliartgedllle dieasur.e.thgrakiirAt•pr9- , and that .th•fy ilaxtivot, as It was t;)o..ridttly, to 'explained:this change to their Sovereign, knoved.the Oiler tq the Day. . • - ~• the motion for pa-ssin , ; to Mr. BASTARD mtpporied the:Order of Ole 111% • He thoughtithe ElN:qPght not to seek for abstraa principles,: Int, selves to the alts that had been committed. ,\ The inade.by his... Majesty naturally arose 'the declar.ttion of shis Ministers. 13t-for.k?lie assented. to the alsstrael question, therefore, be Must boshewn i , its applicabgity to the present case. • Mr.lll, bil - ZGERA LD Was , . of opinion,that there was not a single sentence in the Resolution, -nor a, single part. of , the.conducl of Ministers, whichdet - o- ; g-,tted from the prerogativeblihe Crown-If the rogutivniha&been infringe& it tud y been infringod , .by those wbo,would destoy the. respoinsiblity stern..He enteird into nii examination ottho recent proceeditigs. of the late Administration, and contend ed that had they acted diftereutly. tiwy would hate been guilty of aderelidion of their trust. It . was an Administratiou of talents f .ot. considLrqtigo,„atid . possessing the confidence of. the,country. _ By every. man in the empire, therefore; it,was to , be lamented 'that'the. services of,such ruen,.should be lost to the country. He described the, state of Irela,tld as, vITY bazardbus, -deprec.ated' the total ignotanoe„,an.l , e_yqn he, fenced-, the apathy,on , this subje4, ankl.wislfe,d:lll# was'of sufficient importance to rotoiQtne, ly, - ;otion of the. House to the consilleration :of .tlii,s,:question--, namely--whether they °would command the services of 4or Millions of people, or hazard' their enmity?' Sir T. TURTON said, it was impossible not .to see that the pre •o ‘ e Of the Crown, was.attempted to be invaded. A rcatedOal had beep said abrint the pledge given in 1 / 93 ; Ministers, however ; had , not Hesitated to postutn theredemption of-other pledges; such a; for a Reforiti, for therneralqUeitionOfErna.n , Cipition. Was it not their (int)! when they made an alteration in,the measure, 'to explain 'it to the Sove, reign with precision and accuracy ?, Wiint was the nature of those alterations 'but an unequivocal and entire repeal of the Test A-& ; • for the Thea Sore prd pOsed by the late"Adthinistration no 'rnore.reseinbled the i . et of 1783 than darkness did light. By their condua• they had placed the king in :tin-invidious situation.; and by their declaration to him i had she Wit . th6it readiness to throw upon theieSovereign all the • obloquy Which might-result from future-;refusals to grant the Citholie claim. In these circumstances was not the King justified in requiring- t o -promiSe that he should not again be harassed ,on the sujed ? He Was' confident that jail' appeal' to the House and the Country,., in support'of the Royal, prerogatiye, Vould be .successfully rdl i de. • The supperters of-the %,te Administration had said,. that it,Wati not'for 1)6- :lit . 's:al speculators to offer-their invalid security to the cnuniry: What, 'then, was, the Axistoeracjt of the country solely to didate.? -Why sUppo,,ed his Majesty's' present Ministers ,would- not , attend ,to he interests-of the `Eppire at large, and particularly: to keland ? - He did not like the - prophecies on this Itit ter subjeet, for prophets atways felt something lice a desire that their prediaicins should be verified. 'rho question before the House was, whether they WotilA support the crown agairtsLthe attempts of an .Ayi's toeracy that:4oold strike-at theroot of the 110' . ;'al prerogaavel, in the present reigt);:iihe,CatiKilks had, little to complatt2 of. If the meatra-Would, as they stated, have safely combined all the energy of the Empire, it was desirable ; but why agitate -it when it. wai.known itcould.never receive_the Royal appro bation. Mr. ,C6RWEN heartily concurred 'in'the motion for a Resolution, not as an abstra& question, but as 0110 in-yhicll the interests oc the country were materially . concerned. • . • • Nr LTiEl`brE LL thought that . the late' uncalled for change in the Council of hisMajeSty could not :fail of . mak:inga . deep impression - on our Allies, and raistog,the expectation of our enemies, and this at a peTiock-whep a-firm reliance hadheen entertained' on the co-op ration of Great . Britain in the common cause.;, for could any' one assert that the slightest cOnodenee could exist in the permayence,olthe pre sent Administration i/ The right which 'the Crown possessed of appointing ,Ministers : was undoubted, but it was .necessary those`Ministertshould possess the conAdence . both . of the aristocracy and deinocra.; .cy of the country. The new \ Administration seemed -to emnlate the giants, who, when overthrown and touched the earth, recovered their strength, fori t Was mot long since they doubted their power to carry on the Gwvertunent of the country; and since that time , their opposition had been repeatedly defeated. If2 J . FULLER contended that this was just a question - between one set of IWft eisrs and'another. As : to ,the pledge demanded by his Majesty, it a n y Minister had advised the abrogation of the 13ill of Bights, or the dissolution of Magna Mina, he - should like to '.know whether the: King would not. have been justified in demanding_ from them a-pro-, wise to refrain, froht such advice in future, , and if , their, word was not to be trusted, to demand that prornise in writing ? forty years ago, such advice as had bon given to his Majesty .would have been ithpeachahle:. He remembered the time, not-thirtyyears since, when LOrd North gave up this. point, and, sent to Ireland 70,000 stand cif alms, which had , since. been used in rebellion, against- this Country.— t Some people said, that the late Ministry had done great things. He thought thegreat family of which it was chiefly - Composed, bad been always very, full of theeries, and no family had been better paid. fOr their,theories. By the,first.theory we lost America, by the second, the Lledion A&, a most contemptible court hadheen.produced, and by the last and most fatal,.the Slave Trade had-been abolished.' The last was founded on, the., most foolish policy; it went to,. lessen the, growth of sugar, aiid also— The . SPEA.KgIi requested : the HO,n. Gentleman w6uld adhere to the question, , proceeded, but again entering on the 'inexpediency of the Slave Trade Aboliti6o, , was acraio called-to order ) and: sat down. • Mr. P IAY ETT, the Attorney-General for .Ireianci j in a maiden speech, supported the original. MotiOri..-Alluding to what had fallen from an .Honoui-able!lfaronet, who . accused, the late _Achill ' ,nistration of attacking , the Prerogative ofi he Crown, and of- endeattniring‘to •shiftilhe odium from. their . • own shoulders to those-Of the Sovereign, he ex - pressed' great .anxiety clear - 111tnseil from a charge of Such' 'a - - dishonourable' nature. It was most' distitittly the sentiment cdi his heart that he believed' his Majesty totally;:incapable of de mandint a pledge frOln his Ministers, or of adopt. ing' ally - 56 - 00 g tneastire, which pledge or wkich measure he did not sinCerely believe necessary the4elfare:'of his people,. The persons who had: tkiidenyoured, he trusted ineffe4luaily, , to r3istj'a•crr. , throughout Country, that the Church was i n . danger, hathtaken on themselves , •a serious teAPonsi;i;J hility,•'fortheiHouse,waS.yet to learn •by what Part_ of the ciiiiduo of the late Administration the Pro., testant lESfAblishrrient had been etidang - ered; Tren ing oonnexion :of Great Bri:nsit l and Ir&latidi , was the only security for thewertifre of the Enipitie , iand• feeling that the security of 'the Protestalitc'Establishment was the vital 'principl e of, that' connexion, he should.-certainly neyer .1144. supported-any measure which.. 'appeared in th e - slightest degree to trench upOn that security. the alarm which hail been raised been well fbuti:ded he- Would' lia•ve echoed it ; but nothing'. was 'so dangerous' as unnecessary alarms. He.dtd novbe , : lieve : that.theiintentions of th e Gentlenien opp os i te , in raisinthis, alarm; were wilrUily-erroneons, but shewn• • that discretion they at • least not which' qualified-them .td• j h e olit i i , i sa a i - d a reit u ot t i Covert= A v,cnclt:.meat:me: As' se, much had ben of 170, he would call the attention of the House to that A&, which seemed but" ill tinder stoo( L.:- It was iiiti - dduced in' leelandj not as purporting jto apply 'to- IriSh Cat i CS, but At , de , . scriptions-Imd-countries who eXerdiesi , the- military . prolessiiiiiiin' Ireland. By the 'A:a of Union, the. esi'abliShnients toe t'yo Islands: were no longer separate. The ainly pf Ireland became thetarmy of Great 3ritatn thd' navy , of Great.- Britain became the navy of Ireland. - By ' th e UniOn Aiis Majesty could-gi.antanY command' in the artny.short of 'that of Corninanthx in - Chief,: and any • comnuand in the navyuto'a Catholic; provided suck command w;:ta ercised-in Irsland alone. Thus thos6‘,Vho raised:the alarni,Taised it'against the established - 14 w. I•46tt , 4ki•- tisfie&With their. pliicards, &c. an attempt had been ina:le-by'a. a person for whom he entertained a 'high . respeiit, the , Clianceller-of the University of DlAblin (the"-Duke-of Curnberland), to disturb the peace of the ThiiVersify Dublin,- by endeavouring to prO curb a 'Petitibdagainst the Itotilan Catholic ;1- 7 114dittg the .iirst tolhis effett had not been siiccessful, 1i second letter: had been' sent; in :'Whiith it was intimated; that the otily'way to pre-' serve the lavourof the Royal Duke to Althorn behad 'alluded, was by signing. such a Petition. , He Was not aware whether =this '!fitter application took `place after thejiii6i - stire had. been: - AbandBned in • I''arlia7; . ixuenf-ai,hefore.. If after, it was a political schame . do suPport:the new Administration if while- they • Bill was pending, it.was an Unconsthotional and Warrantable interference.' The present was not 'a party lifes . tion . ,.bilfbue Which involved 'the vital in leresta of the Empire. He had been. in the babit-of : c(inSidering''the Protestant Religion as in all'its‘ points , --Valuable in a political li,r. acid -vifluahle as embodying every virtue and enal.iy.--t lie earnestly called upon , those, Gentlemen Ilkinght- those virtues and charities subitanti, I). prove by the* vote of that night, their belief of the truth of the Potestant Doftrines, .a n d thei r l ove o f its amiable character. With . regaid to the pledge wl'li‘h h:id been - deninded' of the late . `:Str3tion, it . was not only danger o u s , constitution considered, as stibstituting secret whisperers tor' the known advisers of 'the -Crown, .anci. as • - Separating the interests of the Ling from the in terests of the People, but it was also dangerous as. al - lb - ding the state-of Ireland.. If there:_was any : .thing to which it was , the duty of Government: to ' - apply their daily and nightly attentiOn, it , was the.. state of the Catholics- of Ireland. It was true that' the Catholics of Ireland .httl eNperienced great ad..' vantages during the whole course of th e p rese nt be neficent* reigp, It, might be Said,, that.they ought to be content ; but he put it to the Members of that House,, whethcr, rank, wealth, -and honour;_ would make them - Content, if n they were . precluded .from the constitution country ? The, reserva, tions 'adopted in Ireland had produced, an anxi 7 . ous Gentry, ,and a subservient, Priesthood. • If he. were asked what remedy. he would apply, he might, perhaps, not be able to ausw,er. But c,‘:,this . he Was satiSfied that things could not remain as they were -they must -become either better or. worse. .As Well might it be expe6ed by shutting. one's .eyes, • to prrest the fall a body irresistibly. impelled to the earth by the, laws of gravitation, as to suppose that by . an inattention to Ireland, the evils to which he alluded would of themselves sub- : side. He spoke. in the presence of personswho were ' , well acquainted w}th these fats; , What must be the ,effeCt of the demand made upon the-late Administra tion, for a pledge,.on the Catholics of : lreLand ? Had ever such a: pledge .been before demanded as it••re 7 lated to any of the inhabitants of the guipite ?, The right of the meogst individual to lay a - ..Pstition at the toot of the Thr o n e. . had b een long established ; but here was .a restrion on the claiMs of mil ; lionsl this w 35 not, merely- a. novelty, it was a. pro digy, an alarming appearance in: the Constitution. Only unbounded power or unerring_ wisdom ought.to impose" such. a pledge. What must be the feelings of the Catholics of•lrehn - rd, to he told that the conscience of the Crown was bermetieally sealed against them ? If the Catholics could not obtain _their objea con : - • stitutionally they would attempt to obtain it un constitutionally, He disdained the insinuation of an Hon. Baronet ; that those who,propliecied ill were desirous that their prediCtions should be verified. He .Must be_ free from. every suspicion of that nature.— All that beheld valuable in life wasrin Ireland. He owed gratitude to the CrOwn foi: the confidence that had been rePosed in him—he felt. no hostility to , the. present Administration ; but he only diScharged a solemn duty ; when he declared, that in. cOntetn 7 . plating the state of Ireland, his apprehensions rose to. a degree: of terror which he was unable to express.— Many were the incendiaries lure:'..,; about that. Cou ntry. Into their hands might the Catholics be flung • :if• they were debarred acees3 thoahrone. incetitt pchigves,_ Cineri The (Linger miEht not. be inwediate,. but it would: still not: be the iess.ioevitable, and, the,existpnce of the Prot estaOt EF.tablislanieut itself mighit by seriously iiivolvd.irtt4Rl. result. - - The: 01-J4tSC;ELLOR of 1114 E (Mr. ic.EvAL) agreed that , nothing was more ab hori-6t.tb the freeidorn of delmie, or more inconsistent with free discussiorrithan that anyeset of : inen should impute to - ot.hers..as the motivesof,the opinionsithey "- offered, the consequences they themselves,oon , ceived likely. to . rentitt front t hese 0gini0n5.,....-'He im ,puted such motives - to the Hon-.!Gentlernenoppo 7 site,and be hoped thoy(Would do similar justice to him : and his Hon. Friends ; and -if • from: ideas, however ~ r nistakvicin theirminds, he ha.i concetved and argued ; ., that great mischiefs might. follo.w from the tnea4ll.:,. 'they had intrOdueed and: abandoned, they-. would ,not. charge hipwith raisio.g Axryk.tkat the Church ;qO-in,ttatiger 4 ,inerely with a•vit-iwSto pr.orpote party_ ohjs.tas. -He hatllitratily.,stated“the.groodson.Which he. concoived .the.ineasure introduced by ,the ' Lord opposite waszN Of a tendenvy-d4wvou,s. to, thc z chu rc h .E,:tabtkhoent., inelts4l - ct-twa .to, be considered not . orrly,r.s._ a: -sihglogmcgiure it was. ; brought ita,as , meaw-tre , inieqe4l,o, - 0061:iate. th . 4 Cat hoties,, but t effect that.objeCt übles it..6101.1c1-,..htfollowed by other measureq of a larger eY.tent, belie:- the. expressions • he had used ,on the sentitnents be that t h a t measure: .should ' claims would not , : stop the qamissioti of. ' Irish. Catholic Bishops , into the Ho'Ati - P. Lords lionourablei'a Yearned (3,l4ilqnap _who just,sat downrlonfirrned him in ; for tie stated, that it was not in human nati.kre;that the-Ctt tholies.shottld testsatistied as they were i .or that they Sit wild; be.con tented.Av.ith out opeuing:to hern ottOr titicl disfintStions front which,tbey : 1 / 4 Y.vr1,1 no exclaed,' It 113 d eel ) sul)l4A.eiLtlat:wlitathe elMive tra,nehise was . Iran ted, amoinpanied, Nvcirh o thr co o cemions to the thighe,r : ranks,- ftirtheriag4lan,cl pletely stopped, et .the Cat holics,were not.content, and why ? Because, from the repeatedeonct:ssionsth it bad been teiader to them,. it. wasnoit consistent ,wit 4 human nature that they sh ould, hesatistied r..-ith less than the Protvstlnts enjoyed. the ground of this insatiability; and this .encourogenWnt. gi.vqp to tfbw deinands by coltinuel cuttcasion, he opp6sed the Motion : for the ,Thtroduaion of the Bill ; and those whO were -now in otti,,Ce with hit'n V. in the Faille principles litid the saute E s ) :however, was not the time .to go Inuell at leng - th...into the Catholic question.; for he agreed that ,the points on which : the merits. of the questi9n im mediately before. the House rested were very. distiLld .froni thatlnestion. HO‘v the. Hon. Gentlemen op. positc reconciled to theinselvos their abandonment of .the sill, and their sense of its indispensahienecessity, : as he-had. not the. beoetit of heating theiex - planatipn they hadgiven, he should not take. much pains; to in ' quire. The Honourable and Leatned , Gentleman, opposite, liis.Learned Friend, if he, would allow him to call him so, had..not only made an appeal to the real friends of the Church,: and the real friends. of Religion, which implied. a ,contradistipdion of the pretended - friends of both, but bad also. told the House it •WA uticotist tut '-onA to.eudevour to pro cure Addressea to .Parliamit on censures .pending in Parliament: t'i,LTSKE77: hoped the Right Hon. Gen tlemau cNc ei thiiirr„for in!etruringr, hirnijust set him- right. iie,)lad si)(;kett.of iigterferePce i,ro..:ure, but of - the 'Un-:- due.. Use of the Sovereign's name to procure Ad= dresF,es to himself. Mr. PERCEVAL said, it was not necessary td , apologize to him for such an interruption as the Hon and Learned Gentleman had given, He Was much better pleased to be set right in the beginning than , to be suffere4 to go on in error. But his Hon..and Learned Friend was still guilty of a- mistake with reseed to the principle.' was the use of a name •.I,l"..that House never soiused there-before,- that Was - • irt reality unconstitutional and dangerousiberand any nrecedent ever liefore established, 'and' not any ar gument or indecetnetif held forth by any person td - . offer an Address of . any deseriptiod fa. g:V blare4y'; He would fOrbear to touch upon many topics inv.; levant to, the imm.,,diate subjea of the debate,,and-. among them. the merits of the .late 2 Administra-; tion. He bad already employed himself fot. the greater part of two Sessions in doing.justife . to tlio4 merits; and it was hardiy to bp stipp . 4seAr that he could now comprehend them 211 inthe reinainder Of one short night,. In confining himself to the imme;• diate question before . the HoUse,'he could not how ever exclude_ the ,consideratinn of the eircntostances' So materially connPaed with it. It was'idle to bate the 'Resnlution propped from . the ;:s an abstrad : proposition ; it must, of necessity', be consi dered with' refe'rence `to the tiros upon ti h Cl 4 it was 'acknowledged to be fbunded; and' the. House should be caution's of being led,' ,by joining - in that abstratc,t Resolution, into an implication of fads of which there was no proof. Fir's't, the' adop, tion of the proposed Resolution Would imply; that the dismissal' of` the late Ministers Was an aa vhicft .the House loOked,upon as highly. censurable. -Far, coupling the conSideration of the Resolution with the explanation made tty the Noble- Lord, out of which the Motion'gre,v,. it wouid be implied, ti:at a• pledge -Of a censurable nature had been, requir,d ; and that, ' On the refusal to accede to that pledge, a Leusurable 4istniss: ; ll followed ;,,end further, that those - who weis ow in office, had expressly, or by ion, given that pleke.• .•4e was-giaci .11. t had rightly - concei-vel the Objects of the Honourable Gentleman. Its - wished the Motion had distinly - sta i ted that objea, rather than attempted; 'by any means of general inn guage,-to draw the 11()use into an 'itsserit to' what it would eXpressiy never give its -sanetion.— The House was called upon - to consider the 'que,stiifni stripped - of its cireuinstances, and then it pected that a censure sheull file passed upon : tho mere ft - aid:et:LA& 'Of - the King in distnissing tha .late ,Ministers. But the circumstances .of the ° C3SL't iminediately alluded tO were to be considered ; and if the SO::ereign ',was, to be called to 'the' Bar' of the HOUse,_not less justiee should be'khewit thaa' to ati.y private individual. He'fert the'diffiCuity he was nnder with respeat to the torus of the lionse but upon a question relating, to the disnii of Stets, _and a•qnestion Upon which theSe Ministers j usiqcrat t heraselves against their Sovereign, Much-la titude was to he allowed toohose who appeared ,on,' the Opposqe side. waS certainly true, that for Par liamentary purposps . it Was. Supposed that - the did nothing Without 'advieet'but the fat*. yvas,.intnis. case, as he believed and-had reason to know, the _King had-acted witihourani - advice Whatsoever,- he: meant sof - lir as regarded the pledge required of tire late. Ministers ; for as to their dismissal, he did not mean to say-that there bad not been. advice.-- 'saying that - :so much been done advice, lie-did not however mean to repudiate Ircra hiri self, or froni 111(;,,e conae'aed with. inin, vie re.; the demand of the pledge, l , .1-le..was - ready to defend the wisdom of requiring such a• jut if the tP6t, - ,viai to be argued with-all its legal c,ohsequenceS, he thought it still • right , arat shoUld' tie known to Parliament, and to the coun try, that there ; was no secret adviserhatsoevar, nor,'aox adviser connec - ted with the proceedings that: , had :taken place in this respe6, the dis missal of the • late • Ministers. But when the ctis •inissal of the Mini tors was, resolved upon, it .beca.te necessary to. recur ,lu.others to carryon the.business ‘..whicll,4ag beetytleler,initied upon; and in his ciOlioaH • , those referredtv were net at liberty to give a, :r i erusit, :Which would„w,t a.top to the public business, even, thc s y,hoWd ‘iisayipyoye of the principles which.: 'lf.Alt6 the elnoge; bat ttiepresenclqinisteris,certainly r d id, not disapprilve of tile prsceechngsthat had led to the applieation from their Sovereigntothem. rieelon- Iceived it would_be coo,vc.-..nie,nt itt• the discussion tea erns pier the niesure,,wilich Len ad be the-Occasionof tpq dismissaqh Ogee stages : First, when the applies c4tron ' a rt h s iS r l o i• n tli l eit t y h. ' a s t c i o n ns . c ,4 nLt: • bring it ;, \\•Len it, hid been locought 1 2 ,t4 1\1&?at•; Lad ny)dc:rstpqd.apd ,spn4lonc d it ; and,. • thirdly when it: .was, tt,e stiiree,s attending,that;proceeding., As to the first, w4s' could. have un4r stetod the orisinal . into,tionody as meant to extend rile pknvisiou s . of the 1 , 41- th,,gt of t7l? s to (4rea(Bri,- tan . ] t by r aleans of cl;tuses.,in.t he Mutiny,. The I frrtdi;Rate.ll to his niajosty, turning .en the,arroma- • lies of the law, in, Ireland and Great 4ritain,, and oat the obligation of the plg4ge given in Ireland in ms extension .of the law, ofihatTettntry to.this, and th the.bse of the words .o.f the Irish Ad in the disl2,..tch„ that is, toountalicommissions,ancl.all thearguments offvni to gatn his Majesty's consent, tended to shear • that nothing - more vas meant at that time titan foci tendahat Act : to this'cquilyp 7hiswas,reuslered Stilt 'more clear . and unquestiOnable,,by the:change,whici;s, was trodnced ; in to the,expressions when ii.began be to, in the. contemplation of the late Ministers to grant more than was granted, by the Irish :Ft'.4. then the for Mer expression of commissions was omitted, for,* did not apply to . the Staff, and thewords " warrants and. appointments" were introduced into the Bill. It was besides to be. considered, that, it_.was not tilt .• after much reasoning that his IVlanstyhad been in- • duced to withdraw his 4is§oitfroru the original pro position; and that his Majesty had then declare. 4 that nothing should, ever, induce him to go one step, further. His Majesty; at ,the. same. tune, exp•esseti .a hope that his forbearance in this instance, would save him from being presied 'further upon . jeCt . upon which his mind was unalterably mac* up against all further ccncession. It was not his '',lajesty, alone that understood the original -intention in the limited. sense of extending the Irish Act to this Country,: the .person who was eruplbyed Ireland (Mr. Elliot) to. communicate -with,the Catholics, did. not feel himself authorised to give any larger understanding till he..liad referred to his princip:l3 for explanatiOas ; aed the.N . cble Lord i empluyedlo communicate with his Majesty