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Member be altogether unnecessary. BREACH OF PRIVILEGE. Lord J. liuSsll.l. wished to put a question re specting a transaction which had come to his know .ledge, that nearly concerned the pnvileges of the House. An Hon. Friend of his had received a let. kn b purporting to be a Treasury circular, request ing him not to countenance or support the manures of Lord Althorp, Lord Nornissiby. Mr. Creevey, and others of the Opposition; that they (the Op position), in despair of getting into power, were taking tuessures which would undermine and de stroy the iiiterests of the State, end which would make it impossible for soy set of men to terry on the goverunseet of the country. It was ingoed "Charles Arbuthnot." He took it for granted that this was me atrocious forgery, and that 110 Secretary of the Tressery would ever dare to represent the Members of the' House es wishing to undermine au t destroy the best imereste of the comairy, nod make it impossible for any lieu to carry on the go vernment. Mr. AiteuvutioT said, that he hid certainly written a private letter to several Webers of the House, in which he 'hod warned thawing the mea sures of certain other Members-4meg% if the letter were produced, it would be friend to state the 'abject in a very different light Ism that of the Noble Lord. He bad intended nothing dis creditable to the motives of these Members; he had. only alluded to their motions. He was as I far as the Noble Lord, from wishing to do any thing injurious to the privileges of the House. He bad stilted nothing but what he was quite as ready to state iu the House. and wished it to be under stood, that he took the whole responsibility of himself. . , Lord left the question of privilege to be settled by the House. He thought it due to himself to state, that having acted counstently with the discharge of his public duty, he should have thought it extraordinary if any one had Jared to attribute to him a desire to undermine and de. etroy the best interests of the country, merely be. caws he brought forward a motion which bad beets . • . HOUSE OP COIIMOSNICIPRSPATs MASSA 15 - Th... SPRAY I toldt i alid sb e t at o'clerkaftle which IS* raiew 'a OPIIMINeed lia the posse of • Link isiM4o t 4h:. to WIN ilid*:7l4ll . l • Math trw eamtB). - - • ' • , * • :IT • .! IMPORT ATION - OP WOOL 4 ••• • STI/AMT. WORTLRY wished to ask the Right How. gigr, Wallece) a memlies relative to the limper. 'erwodl. He is that the sabers! opinion 'MR 'Ore ahead; old • icalarly amongst his can. • ' Adj . that' Ille leeleafe lately latrrideeed *gold . gifir‘ dm- power , St itepohlsg , msollea cloths; wiretisus. 7. .} lag s sad sNU g them- deal tee. He had usdeestood the ▪ silkiest of It was WM.& he give the privilege of imperilog, wirmikeeder, hod afterwards re-a-spore's . them duty free.' `ISE ebbed foe owe* espisandon an that aibjeet. ;•t1 e. W4LLdlCEws o mace obliged to hit Him. Priced far Ma w opportnaNy of teetredleting that error. The skims earths gasmen wee seething Isere than hie Heieuralik //Wad Usti mated. • STATE OF IRELAND. v' Mt JOItN NEWPORT postponed the mitioe of his Hon. Prisled•(llllr. Dominick Revwne), upon the state et Irelaud, from the 1741 to thetatit of April. AG RI CU LTV RA L DISTRESS. Mr. LEGH Petition for the Comfy of Leicester, . Relitt,M egrieultare.,—Ordered to * be piloted. • 'Mr. wARRe 'premieiroi a Petition from certain Free bie/Idris in tee Chicly of Somerset, expressiag their eatisf•C• at the annum which.had hese introduced for the Ere t revered of small debts, and praying and it might . pase ft Sget r a klet.--Ordered,ta he epos the table. LONDON WATER-WORKS. ' l ' . Wit CURTIS moved, thetas Friday next thew LllO thoslal be read • ascend time. LIGHT-HOUSES. ti.o Mr. Rum E waved for returns oftbe total osmium of Nimble does paid Se the tatted Klemlom, specifying the ..latelliarge, sad the mode of application of the surplus ry fleeter: arising therefrom, distiaguieiting old Scotland. a •lIIr — ISA AC COFFIN was glad the Hos. Meador hod : 1 11/110404 for these seeoants. General orders were usually gived &Zi a is foreign trade to ester the English port: as . tra passiWo Is essesqemee of this many theame4 i;•11r/Pire were drowsed. Mr. WALLACE did aid know whether the Hostierable • I:esti/mi. (Mr. Home) was aware that the Foreign Teed* ""were already employed ile that inquiry, end tat before - ' - • y t e r r f r een ielas he t periso bntlinset ' a sae , no ,'" 77spect' she titpert- at Std ' ' .iirice °type. dimmed in that House. ' Committee . . Mr. 411.814111110 T was convinced that the Noble I Mr. MONEY observed, that most mint aware wen e Lord would see, if he read the letter, that no such •likrailili Opt. =ram lablitadoe , by ei pm impntation was applied to him. were ob' outer= - The Morgues of -LOODONDIII.ItY said, that there diet periffrVere produced, lib i „,. ~, , was liberty enough used both in and oat of al Jekotterent le she Comesiteee ems. .• pt. *ALLACE aad Me. NOMIT immusegliogiolusi. o.flouse..• its commenting on principles and eneseaves,4 :" Sir J. TORKE did Not think that such a, it was too mach fee Hon. Gentlemen opposite tir ' a, had been steetteried by hie Hes. Frieet illi traol ;rastici. th.t they were to take whet coterie they • were dr•weed Mete the ergotism of the world. ' ' Mr. ttAAS (Dobbs) mid, it use • very viosstai drew,. 04. e. that as iiii woos, sire, no , as .ro.rosya year. after the ,(duty, and that those who were opposed •to 'them Veal% ships manse from trusol seem minced s. to y 11 4 .should, in this land of freedom, be debarred:9M ' • same duet as finAga ships. That !mid mareety be believe .. retina ing MI it. • D i li *al lie* aahlitalltielett!l Sidteel: &Tenet Gala Ire. Lord NOIUNAPIPT said, that he had not reedthe . libels legator late she'd tor r 4 eNoter Or fear time. teet ° ,lettet. He was only endeavouring to reply to • Itoeso as liattials ship. • ~ :•• f.r .& L - ~ ,aric ". RIDLET midi " imaiiidhipmaide io . in lb . charge of siniatiog in a system to undesmise and *mtert to the I,,,i wai w ith ig uil os piell e di e seirib t peen, debilOy ihe best imerests of the country. nankin was Mae agreed is. The Morgans of Lost:mut:setae said, that the ._ _ _ __,.sila. 111111TERWORTR`preeroted a Pellihie tniei the reusetks seemed to have been applied to • the con. 1411011111011 . 11114 ° he L ° l4lle•Vrattcr-linats, Pr°7l°Ft° be beard .diet, acid Dot to the motives of the parties Men; , trifi_gidlLspemel amiss! the Bill liert•doetel by the Hoo. )cart timed. , .1 amtPoriis). r In. 1 .. DUTY Obt.,l;gel4ow. , Colonel DAVIS/ conceived that the weeds 41 in ust teftw EN Pince*/ • Pashtos hem entitle Tallow .deispeit of getting ism office" implied an improper ie ten to the City of LaMien,'erathig that the illicit ro*- motive. i • a ellillablitt of es° 4 ‘e h i " b e im n e n ° llll4 14 seek . 55 extent The.Msrquis of L os so explained. • 1001.1 lialoobaposeiblor fee she IMPllhaler to amootte with ~. , , . . mr. AROUTHSOT sato, that his only meaning I Ahem, and May therekes pomp* amillit mama if the dal spun Ninort. I :I was, that ,he disliked the tendency of the inesoures ' • . Mr. CURWEN presented wither popiriam Sepsn the of the Gentlemen opposite. He did not wish to ' Getters aid oiler person. concretised is lahoooltesi Whale withhold himself from the responsibility of hewing ir'aier7,•""img that she 1 11 ! 4 " 4 " 1 : 1 !!!'" ...41 6 ° .nett sod expressed that sentiment, whether in or out . .. %tweed ea to resider erasing 11111•111rMiiiiirdi Toylike in gems . *table, Med they ettrsbalsolkwildy.bdoes o f f,,,,,0, ta ll ow , , ~,,,,.,; , •_.,,„ ~„ . alas if there was any breech of privilege in it. . , jitr. culler tN mid ,'* for Oat soaker Masi , , Lord J. RUINIIII.Logreed to leave it to the audio. 3 lin *pea Ihr Ortlerag NA _ Void rose eir late, aoll ,' i rity ef the Choir if .the course taken by the Hen. -WWII* 'eleeielelevetd it i hit. I fell siieudalies i lip ' .Secretary W.ll orderly, or if it was tote gross brooch snaleiMisirae.it to obi 'Mei oPes day, whin war We. ..regolal ant* • . 1 . ,of order to impala unworthy motives in that or any MALT TAX. • . ..10ther *ay. • . ~ . - I "j . Mr. LUSHINGTON coved the Order of the des foe et • ~. The 1411.111‘1111 thought that that branch of the '"Same resolving itielf Jai° a Committee. • alleelfece. "despairing of office," could bare nothing •• MY. 0111 0 frotsbed . so state before the Speaker a l .to do with the privileges oldie House. 11the other S *their, Hat he estridered the r emelt of a stoillret M ,p peas of Om sentence described the parties as wish , o wlsolil aloud i.rebel, Mod that if it were .11,1, !ea.. it , amid caster the greenlet heeirnit fel* ... PIK to indertaine and destroy the interests of Abe „c nen. .-; ~,, 1 ,State. undoubtedly they were most disorderly. Belt ^ 8 11 r. cia.vrirr aid, he was anxious to bares they might *Stet the tendency °illy, and sot thie• • 3 soadlestawillig **wellies the malt two heads, aid he had matins As the can stood,. the letter net bei ng f ijoy i lithati dog amomerieroms of* the Cateandloor of Ike E. before the t ito ~ _ II I .lbetrivir, sad shot Labe fitmourable Gentleman told kir, °it 1511 impossible MO to give 4 ." so dimly betab.. stabled. ift abould am, therefore...peas rip of the ciintents. of the letter. - genii isto a Comminee. Ma l A voutanolmoirtasubed that it was a priests' t ta41102..y basis reibase‘ cntri wmi le egids . ll . 44l j aghie . 4l4lll4 . se tn ie wl" avie tr e :: I letter, turd den be brphAset even kept a copy of it.l . . -I .' sii4,lfil.weeld.harie illat , elfeet hcamold bil floppy to bee A. ille , Fertated it SllMllletdeht he was the Nat to Shlablit 8 . 1 . el* neglect to ligeterlaildr 11 , 91 1 1 1ti01l arm molt. he fretP OM eanSPlMObaly of having been the soh liee opite'at a lore mhos! bawls mow betreit dm aoseemer. author of it. -, 44• ~ -421.1 . • ..• Me eboloid be happy to liket inn that joyful day would Hilt. C. WYllll,lllll4.thot it was the first time iwrinwh. a they 'sight deplete am of the fail lietillert an application of the kind had been .lade to the of a peony • pm epee berr-kd ( olittlgb)—oad be beim , is lowa , gr , i , 6 , esokma „ewes, (Mr. I . Choir so a supposititious earn.. . He skpitrelinded: , de reanweetetive of drahalleyieterepts, prim • • th at they did sot want maniples, either se or out *f''' wa.lll Oa . otetterhf IMF/tans peourer. iiregoii , e 4 ii , , the Holm , of the liberty aged to eemotaiiug Alio , se.V4 ix wr said; lie *odd give UM and the measures of public One. •'• • • 4 ' Laureled dlietateMea illfltie iefsinistloa, wile% en. pr* . 1 • - Sir R. Feaovoor tatielogod. elsolitoros a Tres- WA, be doe bees warier to ills queseimi. • Out *film eve. 1 ,. "co* g ossQmorrammis get o nswitilag spew soar go k p e owl circular and not a liters '- 0...• . , ?estrange., v.Wtottity Iliertinow less tboo dorm bail. Mr. C. -Wrox said, that wiled how isubtespsl pme; Se. . a Harlin of . ltt . dism . eaa Jeasitted; tea. privet* letter. , L.,;, dis.,-, -,-t-. -dl. 1 , PeWelloid 'me rewsiabli'll° a • bri "a be, 410414 + e , . AS r. Bases said a few Ores* Ali& Mom IIIM••• • OM* Mimi Inmeaoffeitoetieu Mins ib esegitt;k iw i. la ute ,,,,, 00d • , . I ,_ i t qaesear 01111COVNE •sewelled4l wow wham' efel,- ' w Jr ~ ' , • ". , '''' Ili' 71.... '." ', - . irsoui...itsgt lobe ,matAtis sort impromik m d " ma i 6 , ~ 7 , sk, f.a. LAMS ■ ISKI, that the ttikhe bow. Ong: INlNDifiet the roposeamoostelkatro soiseplessey *lepton bad booed She whole gentiles, tiebetiller s_eifl_ u _t 11 4 2 ,List 7c romp Ifni's,* iptstottlio,, . erup to be coaaideatd. es a rings letter-en so and !:I =,,=,, m r„ jug a t i TeMr.r ii rt s 7 - 4 1 1 'Lord J. Iltuloat.t had newer cootendadtliutithetuti • Ob.. CALVE*? ‘e 'r it .. . wrws a breach of privilege, he had ealrealled their Mr. Soriano. W *sift, Wor aaraloro wietseeMet .adeestion to it as e subject which very needy etro;' l I __ t ____"4 it, I nitt! itel. PlK**, .P04.141i *Ph* 4itoo named their privilege.. He had disowned itn. ' —ro -11..,!p r ow • ?Infflir l ifEßPl, lB 6s4 T‘.. pegioiy diohonourobta: aad unworthy motives. and 466 ,4 1 ..' P. *ore ' hile it e i . , c; ilis mi k , osi a & ji g e at ism ei - Liird J. Mussel!) should forbear •to make awy lona ...4. evit• . tee ... its/ sus. .h ;;t..ti ! • sibs' goat it. . •-•,- - 1 Thil w r i Z e Jliistomillitsito lookilffiMite• OS, • 'IMIId intrUiltio roes to give hotife, Met 1111 . ,' i . sise.:olon s.i :drama.. irks ,il &haat ,4•:. w.... , • . .ra e , .. , ,di. ;t • . ~. ,i... ..-- Al t the south of Ireland the melOrity of insolvents Were sihtee tat some time, the elation *tie agreed is, sad Hie lithe elms. In the north of Ireland the Presby. 11 ""en" .. 4 ivitatie were us m uc h o pp resse d b y tithes as the . }!rd A: MILTON wished to orydroorrout informs- Cash°lire ..f the south. cud it was only from their thimpeos" from the Bus. Go ve : * * o 'a tor Oho holob 4 the forbearance that their Lordships' table was in- arsa riSrfrtlE -- — ,likit ildi a l 9 ender .i lietreliallscihmhe : 141 Ike " I:112 modeled with petitions. His Lordship adverted to friealikiat-Eular• the abuses with respect to college livings ; the Fel- .r . l nsi old lICALLOR of she 'EXCHEQUER wished lb. - lows coming to take • of them, contrary to ""We tare to poseur 1 "' ireliu"' ca she Cb4kmaa of the Excise of Scotland use iro pnitetip i ib is, AN I jo s M ..... . .. .theil , i ktteg • totK«goi. vr r iava .;;ITt.re; ..;:ligoe. - - 'twelve or fi fiesu children The Report was ordered hi be received ow Moeda, ors*. orals Hit . 111 • The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER mend, r otottilen Aid on the table. -iiiisesitivil - ovecoactufge ow itartslag should adjoin TO Miriam. iltilorqUis, of LAysanws th en presented n Mr. Hupaous*, au behalf of his col leaps,. post- .: Petitimh b uts, the Propeininin o ilm en i n i nn www we ii, pow the notice far an address to the Crown, for ~ ,,,nd 5 1 4en0 other p wr i s h eno w t h e ~,„ raw as s h e the remission of Mr. Hunt's punishment to the 47tb . .. l e o,* presented b y o t , Deb, of D ie ,,,,,, i i i i rc I t of this ens nib .. He Warned, that there was some . .. : mea onse udjovine4. read an d . laid en t h e ta b le. aft er whic h t h e slight ground for hoping, from what had fallen front i . 4 the &limber for Yorkshire, that the motion might be altogether unnecessary. E. ' would bring the subject of the Poqmester•General again Wm*. the limit ou Thursday, the 2d of Stsy. Tio 0.4 0 , • till Hi* lay % wee thin tlwritr beirop 4, *ice of • Madan ?se ken bring in a' Bill to amend the Marriage Act. far Wednesday next. I ' 7 The itekriiiiiifveditielf into • ll' • con m o se MI. LOA PA MOUTON moved that sitg Pouted to his Majesty fur military coots Mr. Hume rose to move for • reduction of the table allowaoces to the life and foot guards ow duty at St. James's. The charges were, for St. Janses'e 6.0001. and for Dublin a charge of 1,0001. of a similar nature. He thought that 3,0001. a year was enough to keep them a plain table, and it could never be - desirable to teach them the use of wasteful and extravagant luxuries. He thought that the expense of 3,4001. for the riding-hoese establishment at Palelleo ought to be reduced, and also the sum of 601. to Sir G. Napier for re gulating the colours. He moved an amendment, that instead of the rem proposed for contingencies, the sum 01 . 211,400 i. should be substituted. Sir C. Bitast.t. staid, that the pay of a liente soot of guards would yield mach more interest for 'the expense of his commission than that of a cap tain in the army, with whom he was ranked, were it not for those allowances of which the subalterns derived the chief benefit. Had the officers of the t guar& the smite allottances of other kinds which *ere common to the rest of the army, the expense would be greater, so that he might safely say the Government save d 8,020 i. a year by the present ,4emegement. Aillenersl HARI/Haag said, that the privileges of I the guards, now in question, had been enjoyed since their first formation. What they received different from the army would amount to 18,0001. If they had the same ullowauces as the army, in all respects, the expense, instead of 18,000 L, would be 30,0001., leaving a deficiency of 12,000/., by which the public would be gainers. But deducting the expense of 6,0001. for the table at St. James's, Aire was ultimately a saving of 6,000/., as com pared with the coutingencies for the same number 'of forces in the army. The regulations were of the hest kind. No wine was drawn after ten o'clock, and the mess-room was cleared as soon as the clock itruck eleven. The army was administered with us economy and propriety in peace, as it had bees wii6 efficiency and glory in war. Mr. B111111•L was happy to agree with the pro.. 'positions of his Hun. Friend, but he could not 'assent to this motion. There were seven battalions 'among three regiments of the guards. If they had the usual wine allowance of 2501. for each butts. lion, that would be 1,720/. a year of itself. The other regiments had barracks. Several of the Ai. 'iers of the guards had no lodgings assigned sheets "There were 62 subalterns, 31 Captains who were field-ollicers, and 8 who were not, to be provided 'foe. The lowest allowance that could be made tol •:rat for lodgings would be per week. If the g of those allowances were deducted, it would "lie seen that Government saved 6,000/. a year after ;eying the expense of St. JaMes's sable. colonel Telugu' supported the original motion. ' Mr. H. G. Benxi/re made a few observations, 'Which the torbuleSce of stranger. forcing their pot urge in and out of the gallery prevented es keit 'catching. " Colonel DAVIES said, the simple question which 'he had to propose to the Committer was, whether they would be content to pay for an army of 68.000 twee in 1822, 18,0001. more than they paid in 1519 for an army of 80,000 men it.-thiuking that suck a demand was extravagatit, and disapproving of the . riding establiShment et Pimlico altogether, notwith standing all that he bad heard in its favour. There were rough-riders in every regiment fur the purpose 'of teaching the men to ride, and the reduction of the useless establishment would save 1,0001. more, Ire should move, as so amendment a reduction of 19,000/. from the estimate before the Committee. Colonel DILLILIMPIAt said a few words, which the noise in the House rendered inaudible in the 'gallery. Lord PAUSIIIIIIIIOII . , mid, the appointment of rough.rideis in every regiment of cavalry did not renddr the riding establishment at Pimlico less ne cessary: for these rough-rider. (veld be of no use for teaching the art of riding in their regiments, an. less they were first taught themselves, end the Pim lico establishment was necessery to ensure the practice of an uniform system of ridiog through. out the sereice. With respect to the charge for the Albany barracks us a depot for recruits for regi.l meuts on foreign service, if those recruits were 'formed into battalions for the purpose of training, tbey would require a stair, which, for 2,300 men, the number of recruits for this year on the coiree.. pending scale of the British establishment, would edit 7,000/. The total rapture of this depot was • 4,20td. being lees than the arrangement which had . , been suggested . ' ll nearly 3,0004 The whole ex • peese or the reeretting sniff, recruiting officers, &e. hi the several districts did not exceed 9,0004 . "COlonel 'Ostititir said. it ought not to be so iu Isyi *ere Were 5,000 recruits raised, kid for the present year only half that number wire calculated upon. With respect to the riding. establishment, and the necessity of keeping op an uniform system of riding throughout the service, the rideog.Mister could not, under the present plan, superintend the riding uf all the regiments, for he never visited them: nod the detachments that were trained at Pimlico, when they teturoed to their regiments, might forget the lemons which they had there been taught. Gent's' GAICOVIIII defended the allowance for the table et St. James's for the of Cers of the life, iud foot, guards • Sid also the system of granting P. t eiraii i s in the depot., ' Lord Pa LUMMOX said, the gallant Officer (Col. • 'Devito, contused the estimate made at the coM-, 'lsteutinuent of a year with the Charge for the tutus'. televise at the end of the year, which did not al wild agree. C.6lonel DAVIE* mid , then sin account ought al. . , want to h e given of the difference. If the expense, exceeded the .estimate, the necessity for the excess should be *hew°, and else consent of the Hansa ob- ' timed ; and if it fell short, then the eurphts of the 'ilitalshould be accounted for. I ' P4l.lllercelt mid, the estimates were fro migpeP they could Make' +• • the* le Neel the probable dill/tory for (he year, vatany circumstances *riot to Ibterfere the arra . ori ' kid dame, which ,not alw . , aid theeelmalt was Impossible always tollihke the teetotal IT: turn ant according to 1110Plistimear rif it d the estimate, the excess formed a pert of the charge for ).hie .estraonlinaries el the .easain; year; if it Jell short; the surplus of the riskily went in diminution of that charge. ir' H.iimunias mid. thee with respect ris the charge for recruiting. a greet seeing was effected by the present plait. The officers on the recruiting service lied formerly no power of fierily approving or rejecting a recruit until be reached the head quarters of his renewal, which was now done by the inspecting field-officer of the district, and it often happened in those times that after • recruit had at a considerable expense been brought is, to the regiment he was rejected and the whole expense lost. He understood that on the average one re cruit in twelve was so rejected ; so that if the old system were restored. as had been suggested, one twelfth of the expense of all the recruits brought up to the several regiments is the service would be thrown away. Sir R. H. VIVIAN defended the Pimlico riding establishment. as most useful in promoting a uni form system of riding throughout the service. With respect to the increase in the amount of army pay to General Officers by the allowance of the full pay of their regimental rank to Germs, Officers who, at the time of their promotion. were on half pay by reduction as regimental officers, he defend ed it es only • necessary increase to the means and comfoet of meritorious officers who were raised to a higher rack in society, and who. before that regu lation, were placed merely above want, and if any blame were cast upon the measure, he took to himself a considerable share of it, having been one of those who joined in the strongest recmanienda tion of the measure to the adoption of Misstates. Mv. C. H. HUTCHINSON eulogised in worm terms the exertions of the Hon. Member for Aber deen in the cause of economy and retrenchment, and iu addition to the good effected in the way of saving to the public, by his minute examiostio• of the details of the several branches of the public expooditune, he would venture to assert that the Right Hon. Gentlemen opposite had thereby nc. quired au insight into their respective offices which they otherwise never would base had. If any improper imputations had been thrown out against the guards, he entirely disapproved of thews. He thought that the table at St. James's for those on actual duty ought to be kept op ; but it was the duty of the Noble Lord to take care that it was placed on a scale as econotcal for the public as was consistent with a proper provision fur the number and rank of those who were In partake of it. He hoped therefore his Hon. Friend, if he divided the Committee on his amendment, would leave out the 3,0001. which he had calculated as a deduction from the allowance for the guards' table at St. James's, and he should be prepared fully to agree with him to the rest of his amendment. Mr. T. Wt Leon concurred in the oberevation of the gallant officer, as to the difference between the estimates and the actual expense. All sums, whe ther greater 01 less, which remained-from the sup ply over the actual expense for the particular branch for which they were voted. ought to be brought to account; and If any deficiency arising in the amount of the supply voted were allowed to he made op out of the extreordiosries, be saw as use in voting any particular sums.—(Hear.) Lord Pstmearrow said the gallant officer had quite mistaken the mode in which the estimates were framed. The amount of any patientsr esti mate in a former year, was not a guide in framing the estimates for an ensuing year. 'llie mode in which the estimate for the recruiting for this year was made was this : first he took the number of the establishment; then he calculated from an average of tinnier years the probable number of casualties on that. number of men, according to the particular services on which it wss likely that they might be distributed, by which deficiencies might be created, and that was certainly much better than saying, because such a number was raised last year, therefore we will calculate on so many, for the present year. Mr. HNIIII defended the observations he had made on the present and on a forme, evening, on the subject of the guards' table. When he made those observations, he did not mean to give them any personal application. but to apply them to the general principle. All that he bad Word since, and particularly what had fallen front the gallant Gene ral, the Member for LiverpoollGenerelGescoynet, confirmed him in his opinion; aust it was not a little extraordinary that his espressiou should have been found fault with, when the Booed of General Officers who had examined into the subject. in the report on the system, condemned it altogether, and need)" in the same terms, recommending, in preference, that the officers should provide for thensetlves, and that such au allooriume as might be thought proper should be made to them. With respect to the "e -lements in favour of the aiding eetehlisliment. it 'appeared to'him to be equally necessary to have a depot fur the infantry to teach an uniform sys tem of marching. With tespect to the recreating, he understood the calculation to be, every recruit W. ; which for MOO recruits would be only 45,0001.; but the charge was 38.004/. As • great difference of opinion seemed to be eotertained on the subject of one item, upon which he bed cake 'sited a pert of the reduction included in his amendment, he did not wish to press that, but he thooglit himself bound in justice to the country t• propose a diminution in the amount of this vote. Colonel DALIITINIPIE said, that the Hon. Gen tlemen bad forgotten the most material article in. cavalry. a horse. lo the infantry, marching only !recto be taught ; in the cavalry, riding also. Mr. Hone said the question was, why est:sortie pity means should be used to .create wore wain.. mily ill soy one line than the other. He under mood that bosses were more easily to be taught than me*. Both the amendments, propped by Mr. Bees and Colonel . DaVtas. were .negatived milhont a . ditivioo..suwA the.ortgival vote.of .836,33.91. or. .Id., agreed to. The vetoer 841414114 teethe Irish Establishment , being agreed to-1•" 4 "' • l ' u t d i r4 1 .40. 1 4 1 0** is trifP o l444 ll l:l•Ae lee. the staff, obseried, that one Major-General I been reduced in Guernsey, and two in the C. ones ; considerable reductions bad also been rn in the Medical Department. It was also lotto( to make some further reductions in the color eitablishments, but they could not now be sin with sufficient accuracy. -Colossal ..0414.111 awl s bia sibaervad that tii were still veiiiiiitlTOUr persioDeult Dist rict knish. to the QuartermastersGeneril in England, sal . fat cooeidesed to be entirely onalesa, except hops the one at Lieerpool. who might be of use superintending the passage of hoops to sad ft Ireland. There were aho two Inspectors of Clothing. whose offices he looked upon us siliece, On the colonial staff be should only remark, t in the Windward and Leeward 1-luuda cower'. able reductions might be made in the Quor muster-General's department. In severs' 1-14 there were very small garrisons, there could b.! combined movements to superintend; the f Brigade Majors, therefore, the two Assistant QL teruoter-Generals, and the five Deputies, could be necessary. In the island of Trinidad. there • an Assistant and a Deputy Assistant Quarterro ter-General, and the "hole gernsou consisted of I • men.—(Hear.)—At St. Lucia there were sheet same number of men, end the like establishai • of Quartermaster-General. Lord PA LMERSTON said, tinter.° of the Qe termasters-General he the West Inches were or& to be reduced. They were almost all Barret Masters also, so that the expense of Barrack-in_ - tem was saved. Mr. Hums said he woo not to be quite so no mollified. He thought a lamer reduction rlould made in the staff: He would put it to the Co millet whether fur the home staff they would c . mine to pay the exact sum of 15.0006 which tt paid last year ? Ae wished to ask whether theret sr now eery necessity for four permanent District Q s . ternmaters-General ? Butthey had braid.. fourQu terinasters-Garieral at herd-quarters. In 179 i, th- , • was only one Quartermaster-General, and cite potty, mid now they were called on to keep ap rig Then there were two Inspectors of Army Clothiu. he should like to know why they could uot now 1,- sort to the same system as prevailed in this respe-r before the introduction of those uppointments. If they kept four Adjutants-Genend and four Qesr terinasters-General at head-quarters, why coal t not one of them do the duty of inspecting Or clothing of the army, and the two impeders reduced. There were also six Aides-de-Camp tot:.: King. In 179 i he thought they were plaided kr in the civil list, for they did not appear to the army estimates. He also wished to know why the Cho:e lates-General should not be reduced. In 17ote this establishment had begun, et the expense of a guinea a day, or 3831 a year, for the Chaplain-Ge neral. lie had stow 8001. a year, as assistant, a, .1 three chaplains to the forces, molting an expense 1,776/. a year. He had never been able to lit 1 what the Chaplain-General did. It was mid th..t lie examined the qualification, of the chaplains; lint as the Bishops would take care tiot to ordain im proper persons, this labour was thrown away. Colonies he saw a great field for reduction. lit Cantina there were fear Quartermasters-Geoeral, two Aides de-Camp, and two Secretaries (a Secretary and A ssistoni). Two of the Quartermasters, one Secre tory, and one Aide- le--Camp, might be reduced , . In Jamaica, Gibraltar, and the Cope of Gaol Hop., there weir the min. eatablailiments all in do— phone, which admitted of the same rediretiou. He coures»d it seemed of little use for him to go Hoy them details. The House had voted 133,00 u/. far the Staff last year. and 118.000/. this. Witte lie 179.2 the whole business was done lot 24014 Was this to he borne ? fie proposed to redact the vote by 12,800/. the amount of the items he hest commented on. Lend PALutarron said, that in 1783 thy* had been six Aides-de-Camp to the King, as there were- now, and that then ohm they were borne apron die staff. The Hon. Member was led into an error by . omitting the contingencies iii 1792. Tiieexpeme of the Staff at home was in that year above 14.0004 when by the arcossms it should appear only 6,0001 of Tl c ie u Nob at.ie l i e Lord ns.o eneriii contended esta i bii i s t h l ni a of d the u s ie tikf l t t . . linectosita Army Clothing. As to the Aseittsat- Quartermasters-General, they were stationed at die poets from which troops were embarked, Liverpoac Wiatol, Portsmouth, and Plymouth : these ins woo also in 7 .l'dinburKh. As to the redaction pro posed by the Hon. Gentleman, they were so nye and inch/nine that he cunki not wonder that 41s Noose did not concur with him. Surely it wet a 'fey onoatiafactory way of proceeding to soy tiro there were so many officers in ouch a place, so. l that therefore they should reduce half oh them; 'that three was .0 much meaty spent, and that therefore he would reduce sn maul thorium* poundo.—(flear.) Colonel Tototcu said, there were the mme nom. her of officers employed in the Qoarteramakr-Gtr neral's department in 1793 as now, but they Wee different tides. Mr. Huss s observed, that though the /term a: tl , e Staff in 1724 was increased, ny the addition a coutiogencier, yet if the Extraormosnes, which to the last year were 11,5181/. were added to the st count, the comparison would not be more bosom able to the present permit. After an explanation between Lord PALMER 'irroN and Mr. Hurt— Mr. ELLItli observed, thut if, Rothe Noble Lord had remarked, it was impossible to conclude *WMs the expenses poiuted out • by his Hun. Frieed (11, Hissair) should be reduced or tin, it aes to the mod in which the totimines' were brought ;foretold the this result was to be ant ditties. As to theColout Establialimeina, the acclimate should be drawn . to as to 'hew• fhb tietestiosor in which the iachvichni holding oppoistsuents welly . stood, To Hike, istatittice, the case ut the dierral toellianditig th Pieces in Ntirtb . Awirrics. the Hottest was to rot Apo 3,45b1. a year. but if they looked Oilla in which lie stood, they would liissi•ittat received beaWka 4.5001. .tern og Inoue, from 'Perliantent of thtt Colooy, and had tl.e profits a regiment * so that he had altogether nut leas t hat #.000. , • year. He did not mean In Aire any opt MPS im) the propriety of paying loam Gcareruor*Ge . 4111111•1 of Coma& half as pinch inure shun tist wooer It Ilk salary • or oil of ha Majesty's Kit, 'Secritmieir of State, but be conteodet • 114 1 4 14 /Wi 1 4eit called opeu to sot. fOr,ao, As e hivt view s the Of by pew.- ,c4lO/. ,000/. stikty li.• ttait- at the epos'. a pre- vague it th win • : 111P 17 1111;e1"1"he i '-; boo me lOU I ich oe SC • 40111 'AI I I e Lori I (Mr. mod d i hi &sib • AG mho& kr, fu ng tk- Le Vet situ bit /tits el is Mit . or•Ge- seen VI" trocio . Igki • Mt S I