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Ent, ewelnising Ilse followiwg tirtelpoll I: frown The 614.70iit qtr Tite.ts,lJ I) )1 Magian Ti VOW. to E P. bastard P. A.m. Lloyd H. hlndown k- 3/Itenan Lord Tlnni.C.til with the following li•I of exilitilktivitghloridw Lir Kirkman Finlay % o .lf. Yorlle Illahnio• ff. Eienerilry finatoel /Icon - hallo WINO, usmrt fur the Committee on LorJ Simlborrt ToonArad Sir C:.9'. Simultiou Jam.. M. Loyd Joao s I kosonnßoad Movies. Gilloort lord lidOu Members Air IM Coomiltee %V. H. Prinee Hon V. H. Pelham E k P.wimst% E .4. th••• sae ti .1 Is 11 . %V. 11 . ”11% J. Hama. 14*a R. 1101parel Howard 1::'A I. km-It thenrie TAI 1T• nth. rs for the Committees were sworn iw the s“ gist 4r.n An the rnoCon of Mr. R MaltyEv the Alirshal of the litoch Prison was ordered to loier solt Henry Swastn, Fos. to the Lir of the Howse a Toesday, the 13th imitate!, to tale Lis seal if he elesirrst. MANUrACTURI NG Esg. Mr. Matt:w►t.t. rose to presenta Petition from the me. cleswira nod others connected with the cotton wianufarture nt Paisley stud Montrose roe understood), romplaiiiing of the wirer, distress into which they were thrown by the decline of their trade. The petitioners mated a variety of wry rre. cnlifr enesmillanett to chew the almost insupportable iota ry which they experieueed. The II ble Ment. bee forcibly alluded to the recall chance which had hike's place within the last Mires or four years in 11m trade of these Petitioners, and In the circumstances by which it was occasioned. All that had been mid respectiug the Matt of the agricultural distresses, and of other bodies, and the rerilefiiee pmpesrel, gave no real or just hope that by any effort of the Legislature the dames whose intr rests were intended to be peurootol would be reinstated in any thing like the trade they possesses, al a former period, owing In the then more comfortable state of the g►eat main of the potin lation The Win. Member then proceeded to state, that to lochs stale of utter misery were the Petitioners emblem!, Gem he implored Government would consider their eerie in an attentive manner, and mature whether it would not he better that tlw country should give a wranll port of its capital to alleviate the intolerable misery of these poor people. There WWI nothing wleatevor political in their Pe. Von—misery alone divaled it,and humanitydie trnsted,wou ld extend to them acme ►elief. Without it the poor people coedit rot possibly live; aunt men in that state, when driven into any iminhordination we►eobjeets of extreme pity. The rrtition wan then laid on the table, and nide-red to be ps PENINSULAR ACCOUNTS. 011 the motion of Mr. C. H. HU7CIII,IPC.N. n numher of Accounts were rordrie•l respceton: the loedructio,n. sent out t o it,, Amlit 4 Mire for Pcoin.,olar Account, sines the year Isl 4 and also to thew the 'tale of the Commissariat Ac co,aui• and 17%10-toms of that Emablishment. The Hon. Member alto prtscutral two, Petitions from of- Frets in the Court of Chancery in Iro.lard, pr +pm( that if their established . Fees were abolished some remuneration should be siren them These vtitiout were laid on the table. SCOTCD LINEN TRADE. Mr. HEW f presented a Petition from the Linen Manarae turers of Antos, in the county of Montrose, prayiite. (a. we emild hear) some rernlation in their trade, to plate them en the snow footing as the high Linen Manatictorers.—This Petition was Lid on the table. ItrwrNue.—mil ITIRY coismissioriq The Mon. Member gave *Mice of sasolims for Monday next reopectiivg the expense of collecting tie Rememse ; and by his tab-etre Are.•unt• were ordered of she number of Gentlemen ap pointed so Military Commissions flaring the last ray, di,- ogniahing those from the Military College, and alto sif the siiimbrr of ORirers so appointed who were pat on half pay, specifying Ide dates of their Commissions, as well as of them Latf pay. BALTIC AND AMERICAN TRADE. On the attrition of Mr. )litairsierg. Aceottitis were order ed, aliewing 11w real value of the goods exported from Great IHridain to Swedrst, Norway, Russia, and Pressis, during the last twenty yen's, distinguishing the purls to nod from, nod the produce, British sod Iriab e fruirs Foreign and Colonial; the number of ships, tonnage, &c. engaged in the said trade n Ainslie same period ; also fur Accounts 'hewing the trade i . the exportation of timber, masts, Sae. from North America 111 Great Britain within the same period, and the number of ships employed, ate. daring the same period so the Baltic Re turns. CALEDONIAN CANAL. Mr. EDWARTIS preofote.l the &vented:oat Report of the Commisoiotteto for the Caledonian Canal—which wee laid so 11. e table. EXPENSES OF THE ALIEN ESTABLISHMENT. the the motion of Mr. Bran il'T. Accounts were ordered or the annual expeoclitore daring t►e last three yesis of the Alien Ilistablialmansis at Poem Harwich, and other porta, •prcdtiug the amount al cacti, the meows nod ingather of privet's employ, d, their salaries or wages respectively. Also an accootit of the ountlrer of Aliens paused through the its pects ire offices. cAITSES IN THE COURTS OF LAW. On the motion of Mr. SCARLIETT, servants , were ordered of the number of Cause/ entered in the original Paper at the Sittings of the Cowl of King's Benrh in and after Trent in London anti Middlesex, during the ten years last past, and of the numbers remaining afterwards nesettled in the Canoe Palest; together with a similar account of the ',amber of Roles for new Trials within the same period, standing on the Peremptory Paper during earls Term, the 'timber remaining to be argued in the Special Paper, Crown and Cisil bier. CLAIN! FOR SERVICES. Mr. TIERNIPT presented a Petition front a Clergyman of the name of Ath (or Ashton), a Curate, residing near Low tine/lorry, who stated, that early in the French rerulii. tomer* , war he had giant must useful informatiini to the Irish Government, which was must thankfully acknow lidged by personages then in power, and suitable services promised. The ohjert of the present application was to bore these promises considered. The MEM Hon. Gentle man said, that on inquiry from some Irish friends, lie had seceived the best character of the Petitioner, mud full as 'primer that he hail the claim he stated. ' The Petition was ordered to be laid ow be table, sod printed. ' COURTS OF JUDICATURE TN WALES. Mr. F. CAMPBRI.I. lore to make his promised motion on the subject of the existing state of the Comte of Judicature in the Principality of Wale.. He observed that many years had elapsed since the public attention had been called by Mr. Burke, slid since by Lord Colchester, to the imperfect atiticture of the 11'0..1 , Cowls, and their to . tlie p'- rue • llllOO of the inhabitants of the Principd:;ie. The Statute of Bendy VIII. lied tn.iiikileit iii ii great degree these Courts, and it. a 'reign which Mr. Burke had expressively de settlard as being little better than a series of hos tility on the one hands and aUffranee at the ether, eline of separation had been drawn between the form and state of the Welsh Courts sad those of &gland, which tf gh it might have answered well alien the inhabrants of tech country were of distinct habits sad language, yet became another character when both countries became morally blended in their nature, and when the line of se. pannier, as to interest", si'vrell'aur habits, was im perceptible, sod no other - eoperetung meek was ob. stumble more time that Mee whit progrophicelly eeeeeentrylrem•the 'thee sal =7Aster:l.Jlrlte'llrit argot hoperfeetilio iritte elation of the Weljk r t emMe to Oita lii triiiied • to draw the a m o f loo o f il,e Ovate Ras, tiLat it witness ereaped from Wales iota England. the Wide!' Jades had no power In compel his attend a ice by sine prows thee mild transmit after him. Tiwre was braid's a trry heavy grievance in the rircumetal,ce of the pleadings for • new 161. in the event of a misdirection from a Judge. 'Me* 'drooling, must be made out in • few hours after the misdirection, and laid before the Judge who made it, or else the else u ist stand over to a distant period. The Holy. Member then pointed out as another griecince the difference of exiwine ohne!, intended English and Wehh poens in the nintir of it.rs vvvvv g procirerlis , .a. Ile then alluded to the ftoous of action obeerecil its each of the Courts, awl particularly to that which was termed tie " cone &deem" I t sots said that if the present system of Welsh jurisdiction were abolished, this the:mond .-speditiosis from of plead. int( to cares of small debts would he abolished. Now he slid not think that this was a occessary consequence ; for if the 6. CONCeslii soirees" were good, why not embody it in any ameliorated plan alike for the English as well as the %Vets , ' people. If it were good its one country it must in the other. The real point which required alteration was thy enormous expellee and firms of levying fines sod suffering recoveries. He then loomed out the moor of is g writs of certiorari, and the great expenses end delay necloiiiiied by the mode pm tired. in the system of Welsh judicature. Then again respecting the equity branch of their pro ceedinue, that autheintc alourdity of law," as Mr. Burke termed it, the utmost imperfection was apparent. lo the first place, the Judge, the Coulisel, sod Solicitor concerned. were in all pro. kihility utterly ignorant of the real principles and practice of a regularly constituted Court of Equity —they had no opportunity of studying that brooch of the law. In tae '.V.lsh Circuit with which he was more immediately ecqoainted, there was cooly mie equity lawyer in the habit of going the Circuit, an that the suitor who had n o t ;he advantage of Isis useistatice was badly off indeed. Another evil, in dependent of the ignorance of equity proceedinga, war, that there was no lbw, time for hearing such causes; they were taken - up whenever the Judge had leisure, so that the suitor in them must peram bulate the Circuit with the Judge, and often have to encounter both his labour and expense without his corm brine heard. The party also must reside with in the josisdiction of the Court when the "suit is . . commenced, model he retires into England after, and while it is pending, the decree cannot be persimary virved. From this tribunal ton, there was no appeal. except to the House of Lords, thus im voniiig a remedy on condition both of.espeose mid delay, which of course prohibited the benefit it was destined to afford. If then the equity branch of the Welsh judicature war, as a Court of Equity, inadequate, and the other legal department map plicab:e, then the best course to take would be to consider whether some remedy could not be devised to place the system of the law on a better and more practical footing. The last part of the case to which be . would refer was that of the Welsh Judges. Their permission to retain their seats in the House , of Commons, was, he thought, most objectionable iii every sense.—(Hear.).—The same individual regularly going the tame Circoit, was also an objectionable practice. The 4wilifications which it was generdly conceived led toshe appoint ment of Welsh Juilges, were. without derogating from the personal character of the individuals so appointed, very unsuitable, he thought, for the dig nity and independence of the office they were appointed to fill. Besides, the Ministers who ap pointed then, moot be considered as more versed with parliamentary tactic., than legal knowledge and discrimination.--(Hear.)--They were not therefore very critical and nice in their mode of selecting—indeed, perhaps, they could not well do otherwise, for no profeseicouil man of eminence would undertake the office t'or its comparatively trilling emolument, and sacrifice his bushier, and reputation fur this species, of preferment. Very different was the mode of appointing Judges in England—the selection was made from men of profound knowledge of law, of unblemished in tegrity, and undeviating moral recti'ude and prin ciple. When such characters ascended the judicial sear, they conferred ruttier than received a favour. They were •Iso by the benign act of his late Ma. jetty made independent fur life. Such a merigoe of patronage did honour to the Crown, and still more to the royal °wive, for it placed at an im measurable distsocr from the reach of power that great engine of a despotic Government, a corrupt Bench.—(Hear.)—Ministers, he knew, had the strongest disinclination to part with the porrisiage which enabled them to uphold • corrupt lightener in that House. and reward political 'posing. — (Hear, hear.)-1t was revolting Id turn from the contemplation of the Eitglish Judges to the system which regulated the appointment of the Welsh. Ile should like to know also what justification there was for a bench of eight Judges for Wales, when twelve were considered competent for the While lati. sinew of England. He was persuaded that if four of these were abolished, the remaining four would be aniply sufficieist for the Welsh busiaess. They did not sit, as in England, one Judge at iVisi Pries and another hearing other business ; two oat tor. ther ih Water, and from the mode or doing Maintops in the Courts. this became necessary. He could not help here observing, that the Noble Lord, on the night when the discussion took phis respecting the Fifth Baron - of the Enchequet Scull tonal, said, he trained that Governinetelioilif oat be found to sacrifice its duty in the distrobatiou of judicial patronage. He now, in the motion he *Oa about to make, put the Noble Lord's declare. tion to the test. He now called nem, him to vaiy. why the Welsh Courts of great Session shOuld out be abolished, mid the Circuits bald, cwwilleviterld. ed in those of England, by a ceuvreient mph tion. This would of course increase thelmowless of the English Courts, mid require an aitirsieatii lion of the number of Judges. Too Jodie* would, he thought. suffice for the Nortlieni Dia vision, and they could materially assist in the Bog lish, basilicas. M the same direction, and also in that of the Coon at the Old - Bailey, to *brie the other Jildges daring their Term sitting.: •To ob- • 1424 toy objection that say be wades* the atteeloy _ of 'aornenting the aumber olthe Bn he mold state that such as teenage. pehtotily forrhir 0066.. 4 fa iW rtW_ • Fitiortr 1f; hobbit/ of ladies. th e 'MI • of C.- 17 "mm Mat receitra snecoiwire lotgenenta timer. There were at first three.• than sit. soil l a. terser& Preen. In IM reign of Edward Ell:there were nine; 19 Richard 11. 6' e; (Jeer, V I. (our *ova-seise Oranges had been made. In James I. a,, asiditom was 111440 of one Judge to gee Common rifts. mild one to the King's Benet', and thinks 11. odder' a fifth to the Comoros Pleas also. fie l ame r' therefore that the obje;ctioo as to novelty !omit' he coiAlereitior very groundless. The I 100. Member after repeating the of Mr. Burke nod Lord Colchester, vesper-tong the system of Vt jurli retire, v -luded by moving for the oppoiriteneto of a Select Committee, to consider the state of the Courts of Judicature in %Vales, a n d the pro priety of eholishing the same, and titan to consoler the propriety of vompreliesoling itiejodicirl hum or& of the f r rioripaiiry in the English circuits, seed to retold thereon to the House.—(l leer.) Mr. WARREN (•he thief Justice of Chester) said, that it was slot his inientiosi to have ris es , am early in this discussion, were it not for the esteem 'hoary personality in which the Ilan. Gentleman indulged iu the course of speech, a personality levelled at the e ll:ductal offices in %%kat without a single exception. Mr. F. CAMPBELL explained that he did not apply his argument iii a personal sense—lre only meant that tier error lay in the system itself. Mr. W RREN then resumed, and said, that it was the system wherh, according to the Hon. Gen tleman, mule the %Veld) Judges obscure, as well ignorant of Im-1/leer, hear, from the Minis terial Ilenches.)—And this wan the decorous man lier in which the eight Welds Jodges were to be spoken of, without a single qualification or reser vation. The 11on. Member said this with the knowledge he must have or the Judge who pre sides in the neighbourhood in which lee himself fires, a neon than whom there never lived one of more unsullied integrity, or better versed in the laws of his carnal •••,/ Mall too who was the per son.' friend of Mr. Fox, and appointed to his office by that Statesman. Yet the lion. Gentle- Mill, with this knowledge, was hurried by his zeal into an ortiqualified condemnation of every Welsh Judge; they were all to be sunk into the abyss of Wormy for their corruption and igoorance. Did he- ever hear, when he contemptuously spoke of Welsh Judges, past, present, and to come, in one sweeping condemnation, that inch a mite' as Sir Wm. Groot had filled the office?—be presumed he did not. Did he ever bear that Lord Kenyon filled it ?—lie presumed not ; nor that such judicial *II 114. tions had ever been occupied by Lord Rellesdn'e, Sir Vicary Gibbs, and the present Chief Jostice Dallashe presumed the Illonnurable Member had laver been isr possession of this information. They were all obscute, all ignorant, of course, all cor. rupt.—(flear, hear, from the Ministerial hrnehes.) —And yet this Sweeping charge of corruption must he made because a particular individual had the misfortune of filling one of those situations. Was it thus to be presumed that the bolder of such situ ations qualified himself for them by his corruption, and retained them by his senility ? With reference to his own competency for the office he beta, of cour.e he felt a diriculty in saying one word. Of his obscurity many of tier Gentlemen opposite were the best judges; he had known many of them long, and he hoped retained the friendship of some of them still, though he knew that political circum stances often varied the duratioti of such attach meut.;. lie hoped he was not also so ignorant, for he had had lie confidence of being profession. ally employes; in the course of his life by a moiety of the Gentlemen opposite, lie would leave, then. the indulgence of these personalities to the Hon. Member o - ,.posite, and also to the Noble Lord next him (Lord Milton, we believe), who in his absence had thought proper to make s i mi l ar obs er vations. With respect to the motion itself, he *mild be the last man to oppose any plan *hide had for its object the improvement of judicial business. As to the plan proposed now, which went to the entire abolition of the %Veldt Courts, he must observe, that the whole subject had been taken op, and the same objections now permed fully argued in Mr. Ponsonby's Committee, in which r vast number of witnesses were examined. The decision of that Committee was not that the Courts should be abolished. but that the system should be altered; and it was known that a variety of measures were recommend ed by the Committee to clear off the objections to the present system of the law, but 111 tio instance did they suggest su abolition of the Courts. In consequence of that Report Mr. Jones. at that time, but not now, a Member of the House. had brought in a Bill, which had been read a second time, but after the dissolution had been dropped. Sion after. in the next Parliament, when he (Mr. Warren) had first enjoyed the honour of a seat in that House, the subject was pointed out to him as one proper to engage his attention. He had listen ed to the suggestion, and it had been his intention to give notice of bringing its a Bill to remedy the defects of the system pointed out in the Report. The Honourable Gentleman had anticipated him by lois notice. and therefore he had con sidered himself reduced to the necessity of awaiting the issue of his motion, being de termined, if he did not succeed, that he would shortly bring in a Bill to carry into effect the re commendations of the Committee. The Hon. Geis demon. with sU the pains he had taken, had not been able to state a single point on which evidence had not been taken. Among the witnesses tea miued had been Sir Wm, Goad, Mr. Baton Garrow, Mr. Leicester, and several other very respectable and intelligent indevidoils, to the number of thirty litre: therefore he did not see what good was to re sult fraen referring die same matters over ago' itt for eximination. Mr. Warren the,. contended, that the inhabitants of Wales by no meows desired an shandom of the judicature, but merely certain ins provesnents in it. These were the sentiments of I petitiost • presented. froni a cerium's part of Carom- . then a few nights -before. lie thought its part of his duty, filling thoo(lice which he did, if them oso tion should be pressed to a division, not to vets r:+aiust it ; and if it should succeed. he should be mast ready to give all the info:ovation in his power to the committee a he said se in perfect eiricerity. Mew. hear.) • Mr. COMMIT had nether been Adele enderntand why Wei* Jimhges should be ield . in dint kiwi/. white En fish Joi aid inn Woofed au tortilla wig • . and Cl.i.f J irtir:e. of Owes- should no longet sit there, hi. Ilan. and Learned Friend (Mt. Warren) bad supplied him with rue.—( Cheers t ined Mug& ter Lard J. Ituttact.t. ani7l, that a newspaper some days liefore, lila reporting some remarks of his on the subject in discussion, had attributed lasignagp to him which he had not used. What he had said was. that the-re we. u judgeship in that [louse, which. instead of being removed like the others r the 1:1, 110 . 1 ,1iere of political disputes, was genteelly given in return for thr support of the Ministers of the day. (lad he aiLled that it was frequently a step to the offices of Attorney nod Solicitor General. lie believed lie should have been borne out by the history of the individuals who had held it. It could not be raid that a great benefit had been conferred on the rummy by securing the independenre of the Judges in Eligland. and at the same time maintained that the Judges of Wales should remain liable to ministerial influence ; for he saw no reason why they should be exempt from the motives that ordinarily influenced other men.— (l/ear./—The Goo. and Learned Gentleman bad declared that lie did not commit his professional eMulnments in accepting his office. If he had meant 'that it should be inferred lie had taken it in order to pass the remainder of his life in a more dignified and honourable manner, and if lie felt that he could now hold his bead higher in the word than he had before, be gave him joy of his sit on (Oren from Me (Ipposition./ Mr. WYNN said, that with respect to the me lion lie felt considerable difficoliy. It was almost impossible to consider the question of the Welsh judicature singly. Ile felt as much respect as any one for ancient ilstitestions, befit was obvious that the number of Judges which bad been sufficient in the time of Edward I. were not so in the reign of Geo. IV. Under all the circumstances, be should hr glad to have the Committee revived, but without the midenitanding. that an object of their appoint. meta would be the abolition of the judicature. The evidence given before the former Committee was never fully and regularly discussed before mak ing gip their Report. _ _ _ Colonel WOOD begged to offer a few remarks, as having keen it member of the Committee of 1817. That Committee had certainly been deprived of the benefit of its most Nxcellent and worthy Chairman (Mr. Ponsonby) before agreeing on their Report. That Right Ilion. Gentleman, whom be should ever remember with the utmost respect and esteem— (Heal —had gone into the Committee with a pre. jodice against the Welsh Judges • but after having heard the whole of the evidence with the greatest piitience,diligence. and impartislity,as far as he could recollect any thing of that nature, he understood that his (Mr. Ponsonhy••) impression was, that that judicatureconteined many important advantages, and that it ought not to be done away had read through the whole evidence within these few days, and he took it on him to say, that such a con. elusion was borne out by the whole of it. There was but one single person examined who had proposed the abolition of the judicature, Mr. Owen. A question had not been pat to any of the witnesses as tothe pro. priety or impropriety of the Judges sitting in the House. They had not too much money to spars in Wales—but the abolition of the existing judo• velure and modelling the administration of justice after the course in England, would inflict a heavy expense on every county in the Principality; for be belived that then it would be necessary to build new Courts iii every one of them. Another oh. et ruction to such a change was the ignorance of the English language generally prevalent among the people. The moment a Welshmaii witness was put into the vritne , es box, he could iso longer utter a word of English. And if Judges should be sent there, in the same manner as on the Circuits in this country, lie was confident it would produce vety great dissatiilaction. The state of the roads in Wales was also an objection to the assimilation; it wes not long since the Judges, the bar, and the attorneys rode on the circuits. The Hon. Gentle man then gave a jocular description of a Judge's horse having his leg broken front the badness of the road. lie hoped that the Bill would be re ceived, and that before being passed into a law. it would be sent dower into the different Welsh comi ties, in order that its machinery might be examined. and its defects, if it contained any. pointed out. But he saw no good to be obtaiued front the re. appointment of the Committee. Mr. Waorrest.EY said, there was every oppor tunity for evidence pro and ma, to be brought for ward in the late Committee. A certain slay was appointed for a meeting to consider of a Report, but in the mean time that fatal event occurred, which all had lamented. But it was the clear im pression of his mind, that it was the idea of Mr. Ponsonby, that the existing jadit.oture should not be taken away. A Member. with whose name we were nesse quainted, void, that he was surprised to see any Hon. Member standing ap in his place and defend log a system of which himself formed a tram No reason could be given why the Welsh should not he appointed in the same way as the English Judges were. Till the beginning of the reign of Geo. 11. the Scotch Barons had been allowed to sit in the House, hut an Act was then passed to prrvesit them. Therefore he did not see *why, when they and the English Judges were excluded, the dome of the House should be open to Welsh Judges alone. The floc. Gentleman then censured the practice of the Judges acting in the capacity of ad. schemes also, slid expressed his hope that the whole subject wuald he referred to a Committee, to re port on it most copiously. Mr. ALLatt argued, that the only alleged be nefits in the administration of justice in Wales, cheapness and dispatch. were counterbalanced by greeter objection*. There advantages were as. Mined by the sacrifice of a most impudent piiii ciple. The administration of justice was per. haps the dearest in the world, • but it was the best. The Principality of Wales had inferior Judges, as inferior bar, and infertor attorneys. It was against the sistero'ood not the inditoluels, he complained. Choosing the Judie! for political reasons. was ill.calculated to give the population a proper confidence its stir' independence sod integesty of the tribanala.—Mter, bits..)—There was "nether objeetitres ti' the • existing which he theesht etrield siet • be reisedred by soy. legisiStive sppieessiets of remedies, Namely. its lei. deny to moltiply attorneys, a body which existed N \4l4‘ : • there in 9 fat greater prnportion then is one ne er part of the empire, and the endless aliment it thns supplied to litigation. With respect to the ditli. culty of the progress of the Judges, he Isetieveil that the roads in the greater part of the Primmerlily were es rift all any in Englassd.- 7 1/feee.J—Per. haps the greatest curve to the country was the mode of doing business in the Sheriffs' Courts, an mil which be was confident could he removed by not low; but the alsolition of the jurisdiction. The Mew: v s . Lions of the Hon. Member for Bo eltionce-ini, respecting the prevalent ignorance of the F. r belt language in Wales. appeared to him tri no bearing whatever on the suhi , el...--fiie , tr The Members on the opposite pole of tlw connected with the representatioo of Wales, tote,. tinned a worse opium; of his Msjeto!'s than he could ; for wile:lever he had e,iiil..r•.4 with them on the exlperlie..ey of tif.e.ing s i..r. motion in the ipotesi) voile, olt•CIST•11/11, titelr " Oh! Ministers wooolol ',ever coo,oe.ot to, gib• np the patronage arising from the appinottlient fif the Judges." Now he could not think an bestir of 'hem. low was sure they would, if they saw ' , it such a step was necessary. in order to extend te Wales the benefits of the law of Fogland. Lord CASTLEREAGH said, that the lion. Gentle. man who had just eat down had done but jimire to his Majesty's Ministers', in thinking that wi ses the interests of so ioaltortant • 'portion of the empim pa the Principality of Wades were st stake, they would be actuated by no motive at that of pur suing whatever course might he moss beneficial so it. Certainly when he had mote down to the House, he had the impression on lite mind th a t o, i s question having undergone a complete investiga tion before a Committee, the Itr i .t of whwa Committee was on the table, it roily remaitwil that some Hon. Member acquainted kith 11:e de tails shoed , ' propose a epeeist: remedial measure to effectuate their recommend riots. Pilot Ise loot no hesitation in va3 Ong, that o!-)..rva.iaolo lasoi In- :1 mode in the coerce of else th-traise, wittelt sheared that the labours of the Committee had terminoteil less asti•factorilv than wool.' Weir horn the case antler other Cllntqat , era than throw w Inch hail teen described, awl that their It-port wits less perfeit than con Id have horn wovliell: molly same owe. those also desired to motto e a era tourney would ore that it was quote impol..ohle to undertake lt is the manner proinewd. Ibe 1:1(.!!"11, it was It i1p.1114 ma 'pledge the Ilissise to ain.loh juibtaa Lure; hut it called on it to vxpre , o4 a sn:od.wo n atlaa of it, tint only before nue .islottinte list lire,, wised, but in direct (frivoler of the 'wont given to the House by the Counun ire in a I:• non', without one veTrree or soy explanatory roreai_ tethers on the face of it. Ile hail a right to c 0.,. eider the Report as expressieg the re.il opinion if the Committee, an for us their e..iirtileriniiin 11.4 been turned to the erideoce ; it was alas err direct opposition to the opinion of every Willies% lint oar. He had no ohjeetion, United lie felt a dispo-itew, to here a new itivrstigation set ou foot. but prejudice to the character of ibe rxuU,rg tore. Ile had no reluctance en revising the C . mittee with • motion in the vamr terms or, the origins, one, which had led In the former Csrto.rrit tee, and without assuming that the new Cool. mittee should not eillarre the oliecia the:" inquiry. Ile lied no objection to aupenthog tioo repotted motion, by stihoop iiiii g„ alter tie word s. oppnintmeot.•' the toil o wiog words." to inquire lute and Frond to Cite Howie fondling the laws relating to the admitlisiratiosi ..f Itowice in Wales." He Ives sure the Howse serail he despesseti to act with the more caution. eiten they recollected that Mr. Ponsoulty, nee of the highest nuthoritirs On loin' , of law, had gone into floe Coutalitter with feelings as strong perhaps as them of floe Hon- Gentleman who brought fora:int the tinhjert that night, that the Judges should hoe Aludtoltell; lien earning into his inquities and examination of the evidence offered the outdoor of a lees' !Bind, laid, no far of could he discovered, alsendoned his mistime intention, and arrived at the conctis.ioss, that sae should leave to the people of Wain the institutiono of their operators, applying such istneliorattions as the wisdom of Penleonsent might devise.—f I kor. heat - I lie regretted that the Ilion. Gentleman sitite!if have indulged in terms of rfo.paragernent erlitch were wet only %twiny unfounded, as fir as regarded thrin dn•idnals to whom they were *potted, but colt:oho ed to do great mischief. 11' h respect to the topic. that it was inimpsisenient for a jodicial character to hold a seat in that Hisose, of ilwy looked to what passed iu former or mesons times, be hewed it would not appror that there hail hero any anxiety to choose the Welsh Judges not of the supporters of Minister', or that the mills', diesels selected had generally supported them after their 'tremolo's,. Hr believed he Honourable and Learned Friend (Mr. Moroi) was the only one of them who possessed a seat in the House. And if they went to the bar and there took an estien.roe of the character of his lion. mad learned Friend, se would be • severe censure on tin. imprudent* ARAI itutreurvey, to say the host, of the remarks which had been made on lieu,—(l/ear.)—lle (Lord C-- tleresigli) had stogya held that mats pu resort% who keiew how to look to events sis they wet Po*vieg. In order to tusk.' up his ow., *Outworn. — ( Load mid repealed cheers on lire Opp.rsithro Benches./—Ur asserted that he could not name lilts individual, who, tither as a lawyer or a. *eau, bad been held in greater reelect by the opposite site of the (louse When he Lit among thew. Noble Lied thew prhilosed the Ansecdfreot abuse stated. i• • .s. : • "oe .r) V! 4 air. Illiaciew said, Ouse if serve sus Rue. tialloll to Us, liomoole 3 •• instal nit 1.111 r• puha', his °Ohio* 11111111 ignol de-04rd that the Welsh.) edges should be occluded Coils the Itiuse. rz i at., Sion was, that the to.i.te-oi alrl:ueutitsgtltem was most corrupt. lit did slot Ns), mid no snail in fitei senses could say, that all the Judges. mrpsiiirteil were siecessanly ignoring or corrupt. If the Homo and Learned Oraitleasim (NIG Warren) were its also' Heuer, he should ask him' whether he kad twee heard of a ;semen being sMinielatesl tWhoe, a theist , of ces. velses . hid retired from iki bar totaty yew% and was, at the time of his tionsinalion. a Cles% iv the liewg's kitchen—Os tterg4l.—and whether die nonaination did nut atom out of ionise ? teauseetitio etsoueeted with a borough in sai_c i nflietsr.l—. MeAlarhasit thaw epiestudeerte4, task 1 01,4110° 6 a of the us slitelt!itm oeting.al.sdveßates. said IWO. 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