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_.,.~•, wily of the sod M *Wroth tithed to trot what the gormand *mist- velvetL pit., sio-rwabliitsmest o the hbroash of leverets& Sate* ISIS that borough • had so municipal • • s••••••steat•t all. • Ababa fee reeds fkoW Lord A. lisertillso mod Sir George Ciro the Pelham was ordered to be priatrA. Colonel BAGWKLI, preatrited • Petition Oros Cleat of the Pears as 'reload resaretierthrOrasd Sari !resettlements _ - 9411.m:thelesed to bee prtiated. -, • • • PETITWON 0 1 1101 R. H9RTHWICE. Me. A BERCIIOMBY reaested YAWN; from W. 11, DortbeicA,.whiejsetwasised a mere realist of the facts bad tieffe;ings or Isis tsar—the civil proceedioss. atiGenscrowas the questios between him and Alexander, aust Weston tbe charge of (elegy laid against hiel.fOr Pft"" 1 " of his coo property-4U armee hod cwo ci :arkt +t .Doadest-stsis removal to Edissbargh le irous, eard sowed with pistol,—bis itesprisoseseut for ; di" subset's's' dis missal, brassies ,ais itssege task' be bemight-egstatit him. He stated, 1111111“OVIT, that aftee the seeetud oriel, the Jodie 'had awarded that Alexander, the amonacti.lleasseeetur Oho Lord Advises's miss the proper oat), psy sehateser cents ati",ropeasee Borthwtirk hid beeo pat la from first to last. The Noose MiLlit . ere ihit this was se sekrquato re. tardy fur socb'aisiliiPlied lajitrirs: The act Meat be cos 'littered as a public ope, doss is the peesesirt f judicial efffrers Way, fur the poklic. To whom thee could the ap plCration be so' proper as 'to the House of Commies? It was tree that the petitioner's ease hid hero refused a bear kg by as overwitelmisg majority of that Husse—and it might farther be urged that he could bate ids cellos against the Informer of the Learned Lord, bet tbe Lisette(' Lord was himself a party In the trassactios. If it should Then be mid that there was still to be had so matins against tlat Learned Lord, hi would reply that It wu only adding mockery sod insult to injury to pimps" it. 'What was lila Petitloneir to dot What had he been able to do against the array of the greater part of the judicial its. thosit irs of Scotland uppused hem? Au act bad been cuts milted selosonsig to the' greitest possible outrage agelest the rights.of the...object. He was compelled to declare that he would out Ilraert ibis subject omit ameba Mk had justice done him, or "eta the House—the facts being previously had before 'hem—should finally detirmire sod.earress ihe aleorseinstios Sot to glee his case soy eunsidetatios. It would after that he fur the triendsof the lame and ciisatito stun to say, what they could thick of the state a Stallard, if au i • I moo costa, to tbst.countiy, he twice put pn. 'der arms!, kip% is irons, be so cativeyrd user the tonistry by gourds with pistols. held in prison Destroy dspe, released fur avast of a ch4ge, sod then he shut cistfrom all remedy for his unjust treatment. .lie had setrei seen Burtitsrick ; Isis fussier 'llll and, conduct lit could say no thing ;. g ut those who bed comesuoicated sub Bortboick had assurelliiin that. Berthwick hiaiself•bad taken the greatest pains to bLing the who* matter tn. the dotermitiation of truth. He believed that be had bt eo nut more anston• tot to mislead the House than Boe:toick had hero scree. pshiss sot to mislead him. He would take effectual mesas to muslaish the facts of the ease, sad it would flies beim (lie House to determine if they *meld throe Any kilos ledge •t• cossidtrattue of seattere as impertans, of the nature of shieb all the *odd besides were so entirely convinced. The !Marquis a! I.ON LR DERRY by on m•ana Wished to shut that which would b. matter of uuturiely to the cuuully. He woul.l nut oppose the Petit 00, our did be enneeive the 'House concluded by the decision of, the oihrr aityht monist siiiasittim. inquily. That Miitina was misfire to the conduct of his Hun. and Learnrd friend, sod so far 11.. did nut tbmk on that one subject, Out there was enough to induce the Hume to gb intr ao inquiry above stars. He did suit wish to oppose intrit.!, but Best he Moven *het 1 , 1 sufficient rase Oa old be meaty out by documents produced bane the Honer. ••• _ Mr. A BERCROM BY did not say, though be 'opposed it, that the House declined inquiry jib the ease,by the de. Won of the other eight. He was glad to hod that there was no irenrhesive objection. The LORD ADVOCATE did not object to the Petition, nor would ha oppose inquiry. All he asked was, for the House --t• suspend judgment, ,sod that the statement made Might not be held as unquestionably tree. He admitted tbst his information bad bees very imperfect ; but he believed that the warrant by which Borthwiek bad been taken was prepared as •Il other warrants of the same kind, sod re quired him to be lodged in the next secure gaol. It was by his own ri quest that he bed Ines removed to Edinburgh. He believed that when the judicial document' were before the House they would be quite satisfied with the cooduel of those who sere n o w arraigned ; but be entreated them to litispend their judgment till all the iuformatioo was before them. He was far Into declining the responsibility which atisched to Lim front the conduct of his Deputies. Lord DINNING, as connected by ties of relationship with one of the Genilemen implicated, did net wish to stifle Inquiry. All be asked was patient sod deliberate inquiry, and for the House to withhold judgment until all the info:. 'Ration was before them. There had been already sufficient uggravation is the slatemeot ; sufficient asaumptiou of fang aid of law, which he trusted ureold be entirely erased from their memories before they commencedjumeiry. Mr. BROUGHAM joined is the same appeal. As at length they were to hare inquiry, which be foresaw most VOnliff or later be granted upon those moat extraordinary tea.:snclinos, it was oily proper that those who acre to judge 4.! the conduct of the law ollicer• of the Crown, should have their minds rued of any impression at all unfavourable to the psi ties. Those persons were now on their trial, and it s ores only right that the trial shonld be conducted with - the • st inspattiality in the minds of flee Judges; but be marvel that forty.eight hours ago none of this light bad airsick upon she mind. of the Hun. Gentlemen opposite, oft:l that had been asked was iuquiry.—(Hear, hear.)—No u.i.• wished to proceed without inquiry. The cry was , • Do not convict the scritaed upon our nascriiou—but c i te I: 3: usi the other hand acquit him because we make it. Here are fares and perwius r. ferred to—co to iuquiry, that the alba, gat cisas may be affirmed co dismissed" It pleased the Haute sic its great wisdom and or probably influenced It er ttu by the eloquence of the Limited Lord, to deride other wise. "fro, we will nut inquire ; . we shall do nothing ie. It; because you have stated offence. nod stained persons; because !mu may be able by documents to back up end establish the use yew have witted ; mad because the question 4 one of the gravest 114111/e *hick can iota-reed the bberties of the subject or the pure mtministrat of justice, therefore we refuse to go into examination of it." He was seirprised and pleas ed, however, at the change wrought. lie was content vo consider the statement sod the defence as prrfeictly even-- enough for llien—no matter from what 1111011Ve, or whether from thee elfcct of calmer and more mature deltheiation or I n ot, that the House were wilting to allow inquiry, and that tbry would here an opportunity fully is swipe/rate the truth. He protested, however, against admitting the doctrine of tbs. Noble Marquis, that they could bay. nu suffieiest ground for inquiry, without documents previously moved for sad prodewed. This was out the Coisiditistioa. A Member was. to make hie statomeeit from his plena la Abe {trine ; it was . ctrouith if he cambered is the probability of As charge ; he was out bowed to furnish legal evidence ilwat at all. Gm. , cites fame sae • selficieet grosad far bopmebeveso— isiewevir was vetoed estoogli fur impesubmielaW.ow mule bitO. et taus, vial removable probability... mmebed be Hu t ' "a nwalld 6 to Mood "Warr' gra Mbapriebalear. 10 Irtglas lot banelke •illeP , *PP. 1 ,1 eit B 4. -*aim* /web evedsose, 7 Isty migitt he part perlass#.4last =kW be What and t 88 11111 41 4 $ 1 !"-. aOW 'MOW qfuralgrqvme-av maa• 1. , Ito .__ _ - It MAW kid tair pr .- I= er" f 17 .pswo i • . • • * 4 Ile. I. P. GlUNTertorr lea a volt with*** put * Thar is ibs right 'Ho alsermiti*: It bud really if Int to remoin* mos* mhos a .orfeoltrag al* hMatier•mrele toothier * dbdk if the. loom eisiodaloss satirges as privaireheradir were committed MS ' unman oboes -duty it Woo to gaL i t b mcli• ! that ea limmunibla mut le limo to bar *angled wide Ivory *ilia .. plylog Albain. bad - Italie*, Is end* miniezll, *aide WO that esetwory. He 'Weight ibst hi* =(Lierd • Archibald Howditoa) - lai ' bun seal bard , et _hod • verdict arras% the libeller . , 'bd. the /edge had -been emr-onmeat Is ilifr Is the Nip lb prevail •viadietim damages, alligik, whoa mtparryeleast, tight *kitchenette of his fto F diltrilmo blgh iiiiititsnoreabiti *ba affect* bp soy we Thileinegstpliratio was, Net *duo gave a • of Is. damagos, !Ake was likely to give a very differest leapiewilame oflllmiine in this maw, to that ophith 440111:Wirp; r ire tin DERRY was quirt rmdy to give all laser make out • (sacral outline of the Cale. • bus thiglit ass be matted* as to any qursiii; founded Sufermatioa. Lord A. HAMILTON wished &sham., to understood if Ober was to bane leggin or sot—aud if inquiry, Ohs, whether by Coramistee or not ? They threw enough of on. trim to bauble to say, that it frequently kept word .f pro tease* the ear and am to ilea lope: : _ The Marquis of LON DON MOIRE repeated that he was have the docemmots produced, bet the House could sot be mecloded as to whether there should be after inqiiiry.or sot. Lord A. H• M I LTON complained of a most roes miare presnotatio• by the Learned Lard us a Sr.., sight, wirers be stated that on bit ease the jury only awarded le. damages, anifterstrired by that means to raise eery and a cheer from those about him. The Learned Lord must hove known that be Ilefroutthat which all lawyers would admit to be most easels- Hal,. that the jury footed the offenee proven, and wort after induced to reduce the amines to the lowest by the charge. of the prealdieg Judge. People were re quired generally to I to into Court with deem bends. It had berm his wisteriase that he did dose. The goodwill of character bad bees held out to the jury as a rearm why be required no large damages to justify it with the public. Was it fair for the Li arard Lord afterwards to use that eircumetesce easiest him (Lord A. Hamilton) with the House? Would the Leawood Lord repeat that represents. lion ? He would at dare to do it. Be could sot again have recourse to so /tom • nriarepreseniatioa. Mr. A agßotom BY would move for thejtadicisl papers, the production of which wowed do much; het they would avail comparatively little without the aid of parole evidesee. The truth of that, however, mast rest for the present on his ststemeot. He k new: what course to take in reapeet to Beethwirk; but be did mot see what could be doss is re. gaol' to the of f icial peewees withoot a Committee. He thought that the House had received with too such facility the doctrine that the Lord Advocate was not airewerable far the cooduct of his Ihrputief. A. to the issioelmion of the Noble lard (Bowing) that he bad &foamed Sete sad goes. Rues of law, he dad lot know ha what manner a state. mut could be made, if the facts were nut lobs 'mentioned, sad the persons pointed oat. This was all that be bad door, and after doing it, be referred the whole statement to the scrutiny of the Ilium. The Marquis of LONDONDERRY again objected to soy pledge that there should or should not be Lard RI N N I NG espleiord. The LORD ADVOCATE did sot wish to elms the re epoosibility of his office I. auy degree. Tito Petition was ordered to be rioted. Mr. A BERCROM BY was about to move for the judicial papers, but was induced, from the areusidg rehremeree et tbe MOWS to dwell longer opera the subject, for the reseal to postpouo it. MASSACRE OF THE GREEKS. Mr. W. Sutra wished to put • question to the Noble Marquis upon a subject which must be deeply interesting to all Europe. There were ru mours is the newspapers of to-day, of transactions at Constantinople, which had filled the breast. of all who read them with horror, sod were most silictimg to many perious in this country who were really in terested. He only wished that the Noble Marquis wou'd be kind enough to say if Government had received any official accounts of those atrocious traiissctious to which he alluded _ The Marquis of LONDONDERRY stated, that they had received information that ten or twelve persons had been executed at Constantinople. but the par ticular facts or reasons had not come to band. They were unquestionably calamitous circum stances, which had arisen from painful and bar barous acts committed ott both sides, chielly in the island of Scio. The severity of the proceedings et Constantinople had iu ull probability amen from thence, but Goverunieut had no positive informa tion upon the subject yet. Mr. W. SMITH said, that they were nett 12 or 15 execations mentioned in the accounts, but 80 o► 90; it appeared that at least 85 had suffered death. The public would hardly be brought to believe that such transactions did take place ; but lie was informed by a person now in London, who was in the town at the time, though his feelings would not allow hiss to - be in eye witness of it, that the Turks in one instance actually impair(' six per sons alive, whose only offence coosisted in being left as hostages in their hands. Sir J. MACKINTOSH wished to know if the die. patches of the Noble Marquis cootoinctl any repnrt of the number of persons murdered by the cruel trants of Constantinople, who had surrendered themselves under the security of the British Govern ment protecting them ? He wished to know also if it was true that the markets of Constantinople and Smyrna had been crowded with Greek ladies and children. effered ss slaves, to be at the caprice and mercy of barbarous and voluptuary Mahometens— was it the fact that amiable rod siceomplished Christian females were exhibited for sale in this new species of slave trade ? The Marquis of LONDONDERRY declared, that Government had no means at present fur satisfying such an inquiry, end it was quite impossible that the Huose could be benefited by pursuing it fur. they for the present. niers might have beam eighty or ninety put to death. as he •did not kuow how mooy wee brought into Cotistantioople froM th. Mores. Bat there were only tem or twelve !shout whom the British Guvernineut could properly inter. fere—the others were oat of mar protectioa ; that airy could set claims prateetierr frost she British • 'Ambassador so 'principle: • • Lord Strahgferehild" most hosotrably exerted• his goad allkisl ors behalf wed* ieffeets. 'atwl lad rams to *ppow at am 'Ape thatitiaistarpsaitbsa wait 4amarksisif moms. • 5 .. ... ~ 41b. -. 1 • • • . - v , ,• obit, aow -my Itroyea list ail the Rol* Allies itakket tb e l mait l L PErm a ri , 441 _,..,* " ' soil troemovoortv . no lodges who tried /heir ewe Id det.oo Coossel• do gl wad ilP'' . M produced. Id sUnie Petitioner, growl : A i vetoed Me ouppooed he could i • %D . - e O, .1& """ - *6 ' ' ""11111 , _,,,, 41.... TN 2:10 4, Meow to . , beam:told phoutt • ' , a t P ~„„„,c i '''i \‘ ' • fl - '". ' rwo, on. .' • • twee woold bob le 2 ' . T e r' ' I i - . cosilisa . • ...yr, . - 4,4. dr -t.,. .", .- ' JllOlllOl • aliAlobtratioo lot) ' 4 •fr0......i, ~, , j„...,, .. 4 14rw0 • 0.1111111 tft ' oplotene.--Tbe • •:::'• 1 - : l a M table. s ' 0. • SCOTCH BURGOS. . ^ ..*:c . '.. . 71 . tie R. I t • • . • -' • ' ''' •' - - " -. . tot t tilt • ...71 - 440trIted G•l 5 4 . • you.% of la ' sow the t . • ' tea ow Woolly ao RI ipootry. Ns t Ur. NUN ,d a hope that slit' • ILord - tort was of . NIP Penis ellibitite ought fi • would int . 'o 11111. a elerwe .oessoolkag amle- . - mew lietotradlnif Stiliifty Islet by ilitt- . etretee to _ .wrever thititittit to th'llori - , MM. ' TN woe baeletetettfU•4ol tlAtINd W u " M. J. P. GRANT.oever had a vote whitlows pea teetereasolo • haertede is , the Bill to doetrereith drat thee es tbe oil* • se sisimm y, s , feud *Wrath • • • -•• ' mill if cowl to resets -a wow" ,' Mn J. P. GRANT *Wheel to Meow what the Ge o erseteat *oe a . orlsoltr eA4I *Nor wrote ion, to tun" Il " . “.Ptrtiurt" "'" " alt S ttl "? 1 ? t tatt" 116 . 11 . arab u the. mini a ot iamaskee disd • • • . ie• evas ains •i.s ehtraec&F . . 1 Is , V. would AP A fbi. flow it liesa ituo byAlefinetikate ' chasms* . Ne essektieta soy.lay. ,oratet of . • . more • *Sin. • Sir IBA PiditiOe hem • . • ot •0 14P.' . 44 1 11** Y . e•eer pe that teem - e days. The Peti tioner* stated their Witigt AP Minter Italia Ttirs - daritti, prepeernell I Bill So a * MA* Of ► Thoh: waßyrepreksitai the people. E • .dered to be pefisea t. . Wosattoiar poke ; of .5 ,atotiles 'reapsetiag a Bill ASO pasted . 00 . bones the 13th of last month, jlticb wept to lay additional burdens ; on tae p t withost asy: explanation whatetreelaviug bees. gipso. The tax, was directly .operative spot the ms~e, and the Bill went to otter the 55th and QM sof his lets Majesty. The CmancaLLoa'orlfre &lawsuits mowed the Order of the Dry f6rthe Report oa the Naval and Military Peoatoos to be .brought up. TH,E LAIR ATTOI4IIIY-WaiLIIL or IRELAND. Mr, Baousit•ti said that the HOURS most have rani in the papere extract, from a most extraordi nary lOW which went to affect tile - parity hitherto existing end unsuspected in the administration of jeatiee. The letter wee from the Right Hon. Siurin (at the date of it Attorney-Groeral of lieiaud). purporting to address GO less a person than the Lord Chief Justice of the Common Pleas, Norbury, enclosing en extract from a Peer. which, in respect to the conduct of a high judi. cial officer, suggested that he should take the opportunity of going circuit as Jude, to inter. atingle his functions in 'salines,' of and act upon the minds of the gentlemen of the cowitry. He .hoped that lie need not urge any other reason tonality hint in proceeding, to give those of the Government Who were interested for Mr. Seurin an opportunity for explanation, that the proper parties might be enabled to deny it if they could. He *as willing to leave it as a question whether any . man in race : had dared to write such a let ter, or a hundredth hart of what wee to be found in most portentous letter—affecting not only'the office of a Judge, but involving a charge against the Reverend Bench of Bahops, - from which those high personnel; must be freed, or their conduct be under a jest obloquy. He was aware of the difficulty of interfering in such an affair. Had the letter only existed in private circulation he would not have taken that notice of it; but as it was published, it must be either admitted or denied within a reasonable space of time. Mr. Pau., though it might or might not be his • duty, as Home Secretary, yet as the par : ticular friend of Mr. Ssurin, he would say. that he was not prepared either to admit or deny the authenticity of the letter. nor did he conceive that any one was bound so to do. He could easily believe that it must have been extremely painful to the Hon. and Learned Gentleman to have taken any Parliamentary notice of a paper obtained in 'itch a way as those by which that letter must here been acquired, for • man to publish a letter found in the public streets which ought to be delivered back to the owner ! He would rather be the author of a letter ten times as bad, the° the person who had caused its publication. Mr. BROUGHAM had said that he would not have noticed tile letter if it had been private in its circu lation. He had not heard of it at all till yesterday, and therefore could have nothing to do with its publication. He agreed in reprobating the probe. bin treachery of those who published private papers which 4%41 into their hands from means not the most honourable. He conceived that nothing short of the necessity of law process could justify the publi cation of private palters. He would almost go the • length of the Hon. Secretary in saying, lie would tether write than circulate that very letter ; but his disapprobation was perfectly cdiisistent with his conduct in calling ulna; the parties, after publica tion, to affirm or deny the authenticity. Mr. PauL put it to the Hon. sud Learned Gen. tleman to consider what was likely to be the result draucha proceeding iu encouraging the betrayal of private correspondence, slid if it were not likely that the good to result from it would be insufficient to compensate the . eirt.rnious evils which might sake. Mr. 11. G. BENNETT wislird to kno — w if the Hon. Stcretary would inform himself of the means ay which the letter had got auto joublic circulation, and convey the information to the HOUie ? Mr. declined the office. Mr. Buouottare said, that if no denial were given, the country would understand that the wile reason fur not proceeding rested on the difficulty of intiafering with the parties. NAVAL AND MILITARY PENSIONS. The Repott oil the Natal and Military Pensions was then brought up. Oti the first Resolution being put—. Mr. CURIVEN rose to retirees his regret that Ministers %%wild tint consent to abandon the whole of the salt tax, which operated so iiijuti.analy on the eg.icultural, fishing, and mining interest-. The Dutch made ten millioni a year from their fisheries, while Great Britain scarcely livide eke, with all the differences of bounties and advan tages which the Dutch wanted. In the mines of Potosi they used twenty-eight thousand tons of salt annually ill smelting their ore—an advantage of which our iron mines were deprived by the duties and restrictions. He expatiated on the adantage it would be to the needy popula tion of Ireland to be, enabled to work at the .fisheries, and get a herring for their potato. SUutatl policy culled on the Right Honourable Gentleman to relinquish the remainder; and. if it were not for the sake of putrottagr, he was sure it was not tar the interest of the revenue that it could.be kept up. 11 the iutention of retaining at were to keep in employ the 2,000 persons in Scot. land, and about 800 an England, employed in the collection, whose livelihood might perhal.s depend upon their salaries, he could see sonic reason for adhering to the resolution; but if for the sake of the paltry portion of reventie which it produced, he could not thank that that was for a moment to be balanced against the benefit which the people of the country 'would derive from its repeal. He caned, therefore,. Opon the Right Honourable Gentleman to yield to die voice of the people, ' which cried eut.froln e t * end of the to the . Odle', to give up the trifling cum which ft produced' Po tilt reventle k for The sake of the etilktisideheiteo6 ;Atka would bp defiled to*tbo FoitutrilioPi there-. Wont of A tats ea oujurioup .int its *pentium apse • age; ciltNEt ,tecitree. Sob rotioneree, is p gil. as tbited. consumer. ljeVrerPOTed, 14 4 445 t it is the Ithierfibt fte:,,"e ham led after the tilt** if 4aPaJtiY,l Iltiklatifleitfe @strike reosaining !hid, atthir.llkst 'for the - Perpose of inr fi g disk *eras. .." that the duties now payable on lialtinlOrest Ilsitaiik.-aid Ireland shall Aiwa ma be no loupe _ . "jeayelile. Mr. LICTCYSTRIL seconded the amendment. He Could sot consent to keep op the re anent of this tax merely in compliance with the solicitation of those persons who were interested in its continuance, for it appeared to biro that for Cientlerneu to solicit the keeping of a tas iu which they bads private interest, savoured of any thing but the essence of the pure spirit of patriotism.—(Hear, and laughter.)— He advised the Right Hon. Geutleman 16 give it up. and fistretry to purchase public good humour and noioistetial popularity, Commodities which were grewing scarcer and dearer every day ; and not to let slip an opportimity which tniglit never again occur of making so large a purchase on such rearun. able terms. The Right Hou. (hollering') it seems, expected by the increased conium si o fptio: salt, in stead of the 200,0001. which he proposed to re tain, to get 400,000 L So much the worse, said he; —(Laughter)—for the thing that was must to be avoided was, to take money out of people's pockets, and the thing most to be desired was to leave a shilling in them, if they happened to have one. —(Laughter.)—lt was said that this resonant of a tax was necessary, iu order to mane the clear OW.. plus of 5,000,0001. for the siiiking fonds agreeably to the remlutiou of Perliemerit, sod to keep faith with the public creditor. He was no advocate for a breach of public faith, he admitted the 611.0 of the public creditor to his dividends, and he was willing to struggle for the payment of them es honestly and as pertinaciously as any moo—certaiuly quite as honestly and pertinaciously as thole who in the teeth of the Act of Parliament subjected theta to the operation of the income tux.—(Near.)—And there. fore it was that he wished for the total retina of the salt tax, for he was sure that it was quite impos sible for Mr. Peel's Bill, the payment of the sorb ' Indust', and the surplus of 6,000,008/. to exist together. Mr. J. SMITH supported the amendment, be. cause the duty ou salt interfered with the pour man in all the arrangements of his domeviic economy ; and he was coefideist that this additioual reduction could be afforded without trenching upon the rue. plus of 5,000,0001. which be was ready to admit could not be encroached upon without a brra.k of public faith, except ins case of paramount netessity. But if this additional amount of taxuticn could not be given up without touching the surplus of 6.000,0001., still he should be disposed to say, that they had better take off the mit tax entirely and let the tanners wait till a more convenient oppor tonity•for the reduction of the tax ou leather. Mr. Dealsors supported most cordially the amendment of the Hon. Member far Cumberland, because bethought the remnant 91 this tax ought to be taken away. He must, however, object to the doctrine of his Hon. Friend (Mr. J. Smith), who said, " repeal this trx at all events, and let the tanners wait." He protested against the injustice of depriving a large and respectable body of men, whose capital was embarked in the leather trade, of that proportion of relief which had been promised them, to bestow it on others.. With respect to the keeping of faith with the public creditor, he ad mitted the right of the fundholder to his divid e nds, and that it was incumbent on us to make every exertion to pay them ; but that being dime, suf. ificieut, in her Opinion, was achieved fur the pre servation of public faith. . . . _ Sir. LITTLETON baviug voted against the motion fur the repe•l of the salt tax on a former occasion, wished to state his reasons for supporting the amendment of ti.* Hduourable Member fur Cumberland. He opposed the motion in the former instance, because be thought the tax neeeaury to the maintantasee of the surplus of 6,000,0001. which the House had resolved to keep up for the purpose of a sinking feud. lie regretted, however, that that resolution had bees departed from, by the adoption of a measure on •the recommetiotatioa of the Chancellor of the Exchequer, fat exteudiug over a loos period of • yearn the charge fur 'helium tire y to defray the amount of half-pay mud naval and military amnions; which, though it uumivally hit the sinking futuJ untouched, tracked it by a sort of counter current that affected it eery severely. He therefore thought, that it was no longer necessary to subject tics country fur net trifling a sum to the operation of a tax that was is...generally disliked, is order to keep up a mere slew of a sinking food; besides, If it should hereafter he found ueeessary to supply a substitute for this tax, a belt he lo..ked to the public spirit soil exertious that had heretofore been displayed, be could not but feel convinced the Chaucellor of the Exchequer would dud no difficulty in gettiug the Hutton to accede to a proposal far that purpose. Mr. Alderman C. SMITH thought it would be much het. ter to keep the tax which they now bail, than be tiect,sk. tided to look fur another to substitute fur it hereafter. Toe inconvenience of turning out of employment and whit-mg to distress eight hundred pour wretches of Esc it:tow...— (Haar, hear! and laughter)--that, he thought, ass an evil that greatly eseeeded any benefit the public could thrive from the total repeal of the tax. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER regretted that as arrasigemeut, which, when it was at first proposed appeared to have given such general seta:Kt:on, •dtould have sine* bees disturbed by the oppositiun which lend been raised against it, and should uow again have to etict.unite the araeudment of the Hon. Member fur Cumbettaud, which, if adopted, could not but end in diaappointnieut to the country. He felt it to he R duty that he owed 10 the situatiuu which he filled, to maintain the integrity of that surplus which some Hun. Members 'moo d so an (tingly duo. posed to Rollick ; he (rift it also to he a duty be owed to the poblie credolor ' by whose exertions he had hoes, enabled to make those arrangements by which he had preposcd to • ffect three reducns from which a COObidt r• able relief would be derived to the country; and, tin rerun% he wan bound to ptraevere in opposing the total repeal. The resolution which load been agreed tit no the Committee was the result of much attentive cousidennion of the subjirt, which Nil hint to the conclusion, and he had found itii ream:.,, upon Norther deliberation and Inquiry, to alter the judemtut he bud then formed—that a partial reduction of bulk Ike taxes, that upon salt sod that upon leatkei, weeld laird a more beneficial relief than the total repeal of tither tax if, however, the House *humid determine upon' a total repeal of the salt tax, he should be compelled to Mauldin& that part of his Resuletion which related to the I reductiou of the tax upon leather.—(heir, bear„ hear ) He hail been accused of wishing to retain the rt msioder of the salt tax for the pefpoßell Qf Bel licutitinen. should know that the Teroatiary bed sotbine to du with that petrustage i thcoffieers of the Excise Witty all appointed by . their own Buerdi The saving is the expesitie of collection that could be erected by the,,,iiire repeal of the lame would I his very isectimiditrafile, mosieisting tinily of the armee* *lnv. ; Honed al slut pup awl the wolutha of the pits, bt amwOlei I of sPhome islariy• did Dot ',Weed is the 0 00 J Pal! ar.• : sum felt &Gilled, sad 11,0601. toe grilsea. All lire 91411. i &ken tiortetimi4ltitlk ettliectio• palOriim, woes • aiiiitdriihrifei..biliettorpootryor . o4; seen 01l dim re", vice si. few Alp! ebs.w..strviFek '.. .af the repeal of this too. fa Leland so braeft 6 .4 a*4o from the total repeal is the way or lenses. lag the 01l 4 collection, as mil the duties were then . swinheted:renir by • ° u p i r t i l l e e e ß t i lie n i . G re si ati m er u b se e : r , :o w ! etcw ymi.chh:rsell'aiihtzureesoshPeslclirttenttli: i Me s engaged in them disposed to complain, that 'bee he offered to repeal the duty of 2s. a a.. 61. t , *bleb the were subject, they stated th a t they were so sea . — We iir the Mitreetigieef'ameir premed situation, that thee thought he bad better let it renatia..—(Hear, and laughter ',-.... The Irish fisheries, however were not subject to More ie. striellosa, sell beim so sisiele .whieb was dilimied to them ToiY . r" isalivitactWred in Ifrilimil. He was at a loss, there % ore, lo conceive in what way the Mon. Member proposed to Baronet the iaterstas of Ike fisheries of 'reload, by hie tee sasumeadstiow. If the Hos. Member proposed to cocoa...ere Ilsidie fisheries by a system of bounties, he could nut app.nr e of the suggestion, fare it could only ten , ' to restore Hist mote of things which, Adam Smith spoke of whets be said, " the ad. vent fished for bounties, tied not for hiterings."—'liesi. ) —When he considered the amount of relief which thepubli. would derive from the reduction of so ennaidtrable a part of the tax as he bad proposed to take off, he could not think that the people would be moth diepose.l to couple's) uf the comparatively trilling hiconvesienee to *Melt they would be subjected by the rentainder. The ad.liiion which that proportion of the tax, if retained, would make in the price of the article to the consenter, would nut exceed a half. penny per lb. ; and supptiCug the peoportiou no the con. sampling of each person to be equal to that of each o , hie neighbours—the poor men ' s equal to that uf the rich—it would be found not to exceed 9s. fur each person pee annum. But be could by no means commit to the doctrine that the pins men paid more than his kir proportion of this tax. The amount of revenue yielded by the remnant of this tax had been spoken of as too cistemptible for notice; but he calculated the peoduce, t era emppoting so isicrtme of consumption should take place, at 200,00131. • year, a sum which, in the present state of :no revenue, he should by no means feel justified iu dgixy parting with. So essential indeed was even thpt sum to :he • support of the necessity financial arrangements for the yrs.-, that if the House should refuse to telettl it in tint tax. be should, as he had already staled, he comp: I ed to propose the reteutioo of the whole of the h slime tax. He h„ Men d therefore, that those gentlemen-who thought it would be an I advantage to the eouutry to repeal the ha:f a the !Patin 7 tax, would give him their support uu this oCC ii.io , i.—( H , ar)— There was another subject connected wiili the retention or this tax 'bat was particularly deserving uf .he cut/tide/m e n of the House—tie nicaid its toilet ation Upon the tusuvfartui e of kelp. The number of pi r•uus employed in, sod deer. tag support from, that manufacture in Scotland, was aot t•ri than 40,000. Eveu will, the retention of the duty of 2. a bushel, the mineral a!xalies could be wide iii hanland az a cheaper rate thau kelp could be imputed from Seutic.l. The inevitable couscqueoce, tbeiefore, of Cie aludiiim. of that duty must be to deprive of their means of livelihood, or to drive from our shores, so large a number as be had mentioned of the most mural, the must super, and .he usual industrious part of our population. Under the circumstances which ha bad stated, he saw no reason fur altering the fret Resulutiou, which he hoped weld meet the approval of the House soil the coontri. Whatever ailed he the jodgfitent uf the House as to !Fe _ .. propriety of hia plau, or the soundness of the priiir.plcs which it was touudid, be hoped they would du jubtire to the motive, *hick had iaditeed bits to bring it fur ward (tlear.)—tir aliuuld, however, de voileuee to his fet:iligt be gave *ay ta soy larger reduction thou be had already prurosed; and if he omitted to repeat that iu spout tiouing that reduction, he had made a 'throe° of Ihu.e taxes, which to his calm and deliberate judgmcut, bad ap peared twat calculated to promote the public interest.— (Cheers ) Mr. WODEHOUSE said, if they vein to believe she flou. tablog atateuituts of the tublic revenue which hail beta put forth by Government, it d d seem to be hardly worth while to to this arrit-httl reinu.itt I( a oldst unpopular tax, of which, at bait, our Cowl' was warted in the colLtctiou. Load A LTHORP said be was not to be caught by the bail uhieb the Hight HonourAxle Gent Wows IA tbi.oets out to the advocates fur she repeal of the let. titer tax —(hear, hear, hear!)—Tbe Right kluoutii.he Gentlemen agreed to reduce that tax at a former period in a full House, and sow he turned reload upon a Om Hour-, and refused to comply with his forum agircuatut, if the total repeal of the salt tax should he pressed. He (Lord A) I; It it to be. his dui) to vote for the total repeal of that tax; and be trusted' the Right Hos. Getittraiso hid too just a souse of what was due to his own character, to rtulue Lis promise to. reduce the leather lax. _ . . . . The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER reminded the Noble -Loral that iu his first proposal to remit any tsars, be staled the amount to which he could carry that iernis• sion, beyond which he could nut extend it; anti in which lie bail now said be was uuly adhering to the atatrment be had made when the firat opposition M 43 made to the proportion of llae tax which he ploposed to retain. Mr. H. SUMNER thought the present a most nojedi• Battle attack on the Chancellor of the Eachequer, and roe ieuded that those who voted for the total repeal of the In t tax were guilty of • breach of faith with the :rather trade. as they thereby put it out of the purr of the Right Hon. Ge..- Hainan to fulfil his promise of reducing the leather tax. Sir J. YORKE thought that no tax should be taken of by halves, but wholly and entirely repealed Colonel WOOO niniut iioad that more benefit was derlved to the country generally by port o.iing iln• aoleunt of 'edit, lion amour a variety of tsar., than by •h illy repealing any cue tax. He should have wished a.me part of the present reduction to have been ap:ilird to the candle Lot, whereby a greater benetit would have been derived to e p,r.iculaely In the part of the country to which lie br lungrd, ths• by the prevent arrangement. He should net, as atone other gentlemen bred done, rtindnztze fur having opposed the foimer motion ter a ',Tell of the s .It taa. nor even for opposing the present amendment ; he *laity' up. pned any mutton of that nature from any of the gentlemen opposite—(Hear)—and for this reaaon, because be plarel Ferric' confidence iu his Majesty's Ministers, and thought them the beat judges of the propriety of reducing any par ticular tax. _ . Mr. hIARTI N (of Galway) said, the carrying of the smeodinent would involve in total ruin not only the 40,000 persons in Scotland, who depended fur siihri.tetire on the manufacture of Ittlp, but also a vast portion of the pews. !ion. of the west coat of 'related, who had s) tailor market for their labour hut that manufacture, which c o u ld n u t he carried on far 'mother moment arks. the 2.. • bushel duty on salt should be taken id,. Mr. LUSHINGTON begged to remind the liaise C the general satisfaction end tatipraibsi ion sedli w loch Ile statement of the proposed remis , ion of raze., leas rem-foil by it; and appealed to its coosideratoot whether s oy thing lad since occurred to author re a departure tutu the plan which they had RI first r (-rived with ouch art lootatious. He repeated the arguments founded on the elTeit of the repeal upon the nisonfactirie of kelp; witl 'affirm , d hu decided conviction that its operation would be cat.. rawly injarioti: In t , .e fiat. rtes. Mr. Wh. - THER ELL said Le to!, rstocd that the las upon leather stood titst upon the dst, and he had, and lie ‘17.re.1 say others were in the ammo ;medicament, tittered into a p:c.lge to SU I/I.orl OW retold of it; and wheie he felt Irs - lord to vote for the revel of no ts• that c o uld t ar,aet coedit, at the same time he felt himself more bound to upperte that to which he was plagsal in preference to any other. Mr. SCOTT bald it would he better to t &et a total re pot' of a few taxes than the pailisl repeal of many. He hail listened for an humr end a half to •- discussion shich conisiued very little matter, slid the awing , so argument in favour of the total repeal of this tax was the feeble meow 'ln which it was di ft toled.—(Hear, and a laugh.) Sir FRANCIS OM MANIX EY was in favour of a p tool repeal of taxes. He considered it accessary to retain in out hands am memos of paying the setvants of the public. — Look to the arenhers of public affirms within the last 40 or SO years thrown oat of employment—look to the eea . that had abet themselves—(A hough).--look to the Danaher Cl mesa who fee want of subsistence had destre,cd Ibemwe irt% --(Mock laughter ) I. LONDON DERRY said, be wag flifPri" the 601418 4K 8 erfosele were aimless to coma to a dittelpo irks their kelp could be !inputted from Seolic.i. cousequroce, tberefure, of the t be to deprive of their menus of livelihood, or our shores, so large a nut:aloe as he Ltd the must mural, the must sober, and ,he ous part of our population. Under the which be had stated, he saw no crawl the first Res*hallos, which he hoped to approval of the House and the count's. ht he the juderrseat of the House as to tie is plan, or the 'Quadrates of the priiiriptaa ui toundid, be hoped they would du justice to hick had iodated bits to bring it forward Linda, however, de violeuee to his ferhogs o any larger reductios thou be had already id if be omitted to repeat that iu appur- tdoetiou, he had made a eilteimo of those u his calm and deliberate judgmcut, bad up- alculated to promote the politic interest .--• :HOUSE said, if they wets to believe the eteuituts of the tohlic revenue which had rib by Government, it d d seem to be while to cling to this anti-hid remnant a Mar tax, of which, at bast, our fourth the cothetioa. HORP said he was ant to be atheist Iv rb the Right Honourelale Getillemas had • o the advocates for the repeal of the let- ear, hear, bear!)—Tbe Right Meows!! e cent to reduce that tax at a fosurr period in a sow he turned round upon a thin Idovv.., comply with his foresee agrecuitut, if the tee salt tax should ha pressed. He (Lord A ) I duty to vote for the twat repeal of that tax; I. the Right Hog. Geollemen hid too just a was due to his owe character, to riot ice Lie lice the leather lax. CELLOR of the EXCHEQUER reminded d that iu his first proposal to remit asp tsar., mogul to which be could carry that iernis• lich he could gut extend it; and in which lie he was only adhering to the statement be had e unit opposition wan made to the proportion eb he piupoaed to dNER thought the present a most nejaai• n the Chancellor of the Exchequer, end eon. ose who voted for the total repeal of the an t ! of • breach of faith with the leather trade • as it it out of the power of the Right Hon. Ge..- I his promise of reducing the leather tax. iliongtt that taa tax should be taken of by oily and entirely repealed that mart benefit was iler:vtd generally by port °mill ihe D , lll.llnt of redo, itriely of tiara, than by •h illy repealing any hunld hare wished e , me part of she present ave been applied to the candle tax, whirr:l elit would have been derived to 1 1 e t.- the part of the count. y to which lie IT- ( the preeent arrangement. He should nit, • gentle:yen had done, apologize fur Navin; mer motion for a repeal of the a .1t ha. nor ling the prtsest amendment ; lie always ups on of that nature from any of the gentlemen Ir,310(1 for this reason, her-vise he placed ice its his Majesty's Ministers, and thought udges of the propriety of reducing auy par- IN (of Galway) maid, the carrying of the old involve in total ruin not only the 40,000 !land, litho depended fur subsi•tenee on the lulls, but also a vast pardon of the pepida- t coat of 'related, who hod s.o odor mstrket ✓ hut that manufacture, which c o u ld n u t he another moment arks. the 2.. • hasslitt duly be taken ~if. NGTON begged to remind the House C lust - action and isttlissibni ion with which Ilse 3 ae proposed remission of taxer, was reetiti d t. plicalcd to its coosideration whether s oy nee occurred to authio!ze a departure which they hurl Flt first r reined with ,tecb He repented the areameirts founded on the spent spun the msuntartn,e of kelp; ■ of •, Elt ELL said i.e wit!. retoed that the tax upon rat upon the bat, and he had, and he ‘17.re.1 re in the gam, predicament, tittered .1110 on the repeal of it ; and where he kit les - lord rtral nt no tax that could affoct a into time he himself more bound to uprose le was plagsal in prefereuce to auy other. a said it would be better to r free. a total re- taxes than the partial repeal of many. He rr an hone end a half to •- discussion which little matter, stud the etromg. at argomerit ant repeal of this tax was the feeble assume di frniled.—(Hear, and a laugh.) it If OM \I AN NEY was in favour of • pa toil . Fie considered it uceessary to retain in out aiss of paying the !servants of the public. — ;1 lathers of public affirms withi• the Met 90 own oat of employment—look to the ors . he'n'elvel—(A htulgh)--look to the number Cl 1 Wald of Slibillienee had dealtrsitled lbemme irt% 14 "e ll e tiDERRYssid. he was 0 0 " f r iefa the se mete were nxiw to coma la a (limit* irks 'lr MI