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. "40.111 i tut, yes bow Yilstattsti was morsel is her Hoye Highness's affairs' Yes. Was Potasai thee engaged in Iser Royal Highness's af. fairs ? Yes, her Miles affairs. Ilad Potassi docunteeta in Isis pommies of her Royal Highness? Yes. Ise kid; sod I took them to Yilrnarcati. Did you mut, es int beaffnean, inform your master that Yilrnarreli bed Valetta per fee.papets ? Ku. • . Did you bet tldelt it your duty to do KO I thought 1 should do no hassled Do you mean to my, you thought you shield do no harm in giving documenet of bee loyal Wesson ? 1 only gave letters, not documents. • Do yton think it so biro to give letters of bee Royal Iliglineu? Yes. Did yam not think it your duty to communicate this to your master ? I thought it was my duty, but I neglected .. — (44 tough.) Who was the person who called upon you twice, request ing you to 1;4 to Yilisurcati? Ido nut know, if 1 did 1 'would mention it. Where did you first see trim? In the street of San Jerome, year the theatre. Did you meet him by accident? Yes; 1 did not know him. Ifid you not ask his same, when he knew ynii were Po tarsi's servant' I asked bite, but he said it was no busi uesa of mine to know it. tWhere did you meet him again by accident on the second day ? Where I met him 13. fur Waq ii at the Slate how the seroad day? Yes. 1)14 he put the CIIVIC Ties to you the second day? De •Aied me if 1 had thought of what he had told me tire day fore.L. What did yoe say? I said 1 bad thought of it, and would not go. Did you see kiwi again ? No, I went In Yilmarcati. After telling hem you would not go Yes. Did you a►k him his name on the second occasion? Yes; Le ri fused to tell me. Did he go will you to ? Yes, to the door. Mee you seen the nsau siuce ? Yes, but nut his face. Had you no curiosity to see his face? Yes. Did you follow him to zrstify that curiosity ? Yes. Where To the door of Yiluvwcati. Had you ;sitters in your possession thee? N. , ; on the former dry I had, but Not then. Did you see the mats after that? Once, but I did not see Lis face. Wag he a young or old man ? Middle-aged, I think. Was he light ur dark ? Durk. How was he dressed! I am not a painter to draw his picture.—( A laugh.) 1111.11 WAS be dressed? Ido not remember the colour of his coat. Ilas body instructed you, al this bar, not to say, Non usi ricordo! I have beard this Non mi ricordo about tow's, and I asked whet it was. Did Vassali tell you cot to say, Non mf ricordo! No. Did any uue tell you not to say, Non se *uteri, instead of Nun mi ricordo? No I knew it myself without teeing Sold. Did Vilmareati pay you for the papers on the first lime? ; be gave me three double Napoleons, and he told me to get ebnculate.—(.4 largh.) When did you take the second paper. ? After September. Dow soon after you took the brat papers &I you lake the second i Three ur four days. What did he pity for the second parcel? Fuur single Na poleons. Were you sent for ? No; I went of my own accord. When did you carry the third parcel ? Iu October. At what part of the month of October? 1 du not re member veto ther it was the beginning, the middle, or the rod. West. you paid fur she third parcel ? lie paid me another time. II hen did you carry the fourth parcel to Vilmnrcati ? carried him papers as far as the latter earl of November. What I asked was, when you carried him the fourth parcel? I LIJ out know precisely; it was us the latter end of the month of October, or the It-limning of Novi ntlerr. Did you carry many papers to Vliellafettil i They were mot papers; they were letters. Dad you ewe communicate to your master she circum stance of your Laving given those letters or papers to Ya rn treati ? I ',ever said any thing to him about them iu my re. You have said that you remained itt the service of Po int-ft until the month of July following. Dui Mg that time did nut Putatti speak to you rotative to the papa rs Never. You have said you were left in charge air these papers; were you the confidential cleik of Potazzi ? I was. Did Pittazsi never miss the impels ? Never. Hid you mut think you were milli( a must infamous part in delivering those papers lo Vilmareati ? Nut at she begin nine, I dad afterwards. How long was it before this light broke in on your under- MI. Oeama■ °birdied to the question, 54 it WO Desolating that a light bad broke. in uu the uulkratandiug of the wit utt4. The Solicitor-General said, be hail so objection to put the question in a dif f erent shape. When did you discover that your cowing -I was base and infamous ? About the beginuing of the present year.—(.l laugh ) I wish to know whether it was a discovery of your own, or you were told so by some person or persons? Many per sons act basely and sofainously, and afterw suds repeat ; and so have I. ben you discovered your conduct to be base and infa mous, did you think it your duly to commuaieate it tu Pu tessi ? I thought it better to be silent. Having swore thug you considered your conduct base and infamous ' and that you atcrwards repented, did you not think She best thing, as pail of that repeatatico, was to com municate to P.rtaszi what you bad dune? I could out fore see all these 'llium Navin said that in the beginning of the year you had repented, when did you carry she last bundle of papers to Villosarrati ? I do not remember, it was She egad of Novem ber or the begissuing of December, in She last year. Am I to understand that you never carried papers to him after that lime?— The Interpreter said that the witness requested lime to consider before be could swear. In the month of Judy, the persois whose name I do n.,t know, called at my house, sod asked for a list of the witoesses in favour of her Majesty, and I gave it to him. What I want to know is, whether you called on Vilinarrati in the mouth of July ? Yee, to tell him that this permit) bad called. _ - Was that the same person whom yon before met by acci dent iu she street, who bad then called upon you? No; the best person who called upon me I don't know ; but the person who came in July is kieanti• Did you give any papers at lint time? I gave him the list of persons. Wu that by desire of Potazzi ! No. Do you mean to say that was a list of witnesses who bed sat out on behalf of her Royal Highness? They were nut all witnesses. I did not give him a list of all witnesses. Mr. Dr 11111•11 objected to this line of rxamiustion, as it referred to a written paper which ()tight to be produced ; nod as it was in the hand+ of liimarcati, his Learmil Filend could of course produce it. The Solicitor-General was satisfied with the exaniination, so far as it had gone. I understand you to say that you did not communicate that list to the advocate PUNZZI ? I did not conituoti:cale it to Milani. Then basing repented of what you had done in January, you afterwards in July delivered to Viltinrecti a list of wit iiesses coming on behalf of the Queen—is tint s o Th ei r carne five or six names. I gave the nvini• myself. D:it Vilmarcati give any !bloc fur that lust intellipnre ? Det, I gave him this list to bud cost who the person was who called at my house. Did you give any of the papers to Iligatiti ! I did not give them to Rugsuiti, but to Vilmarcati. Hair long was it after you gave the list to Vilmarrati that posy master hoew of it' Oes the same day that I guild the Advocate Puiazzi, that tease day I gave the list to Vtitnar age. L. Did yes &hoer any other papers to .V.lasarcati after De . Afther t 10114 except the list' Nu. ' , W . ^ pm , di., . - • -)"• Will vs swztip:tively at Ms sweeten? ; * will sin it al tiolies.• . • : • 4. • Did yobt war s I sever Milled ell iralmipsii vas tin WNW awn No Did Vilanteati pay you for the papers arthe stotthey were delivered? Yes, at the begiumin—afterwards, w. Wes was it that Yilmareatizve yob the ) Bleu eotonei Brown sent me ; it was at tbeettalfeWsic.i,7W year. How loos was it before that time that you had received any mosey of Ifilmareatit At - the end of Noveastme. So that from November In March you sever received say mosey from Vilmarcati ? Nothing. Are you sure of it ; will YOU swear that ? I slicer it a hundred times. What WaS the last saga you received from Vilatarcati ? Fifty-two and d half livrea of Milan. Are you quite sure that this ass at the end of March? I ant. • Have you never staled that you received money from Vilmarcatt for papers in February, this year ? No, I did out; never took any thing. I Lin 1101 asking if you look any thing, but if yaw never stated it? I have not said it; and I never took any thing from die end of December to the beginning; of March. Will you .wear you never said it? Yes Will you swear you never so represented it' Yea; I never did. Dial you not call on Colonel Brown with a Motile of papers? I had two or three letters to make myself known to brow Did you not, when you called on Colonel Brown, ask him if be was out one of the Commissioners appointed to lequire into the conduct of the Princess of Wales ? I knew it. But did yon not introduce yourwrif by taking a timidly of papers in your pocket, and askiug Colonel Brawn whether he was 110 i one of the Commissioners appointed to inquire into the conduct of her Royal Highness? I calkd, and I took unt two or three letters. Diii you not deliver there to Colonel Brown, raying, " Are you nut sloe of the Commissioners appointed to inquire into the conduct of her Royal Highness ? I 'hewed him Manse letters to make myself known to him, la complain of Vil. marcati, who, ufst r prancing me, hail paid me so little. Di l you nut usk Colossal grown if he was not one of the Cominissioners appointed to inquire into the conduct of her Royal Highness ? Vas, I asked him so; but I knew it. Did root Colonel - Brown ask your name, and who you were? made myself known by telling him I was the confidential clerk to Polazzi. Dud you it 11 him that when you first entered lbe room? At first I asked him if he was Colonel Brown. After that, slid to,,tlouel Brown ask yuu who you were ? lie ant nut sek me who I Will. Will you swear that Colonel Brown did not ask you who were, and you refused to tell ? He did nut ask me who I was, but I told it him by myself. I ask you whether you will swear, that after refusing to till Colonel Brown who you were, he did nut shut the dour sod say, you should out leave the room without telling him who you were ? I sweat this not to be true. I ask you whether, in answer to a question put by Col. Bruwu, you did nut say you were Clevit to the Advocate Po tau', and then he gave you k Jae- the two letters you had given him, and told you he thought you a most illtlMllaa scoundrel, sod would end by being hanged? Ile shall be hmiged and nut I, fur I nave out said so.—(A laugh) Yuu must perceive that is nut au answer to the question I put :tly qoest:on is, not what you said, but what Colonel Brown •9111?- Earl Grey—The witness does not appear to understand the question ; it had better be repeated. The question was again repeat again, it is not . . _ hue; he gave me the leper, but he said no noire; may more, he shut ;he door of his house (rasa), its order nut to be heard, sod he told me nut to speak au loud, bemuse I ton.plassied 4.f Vulinareati ; and he told me to call mat day out Vt'snare-Au, from whom I should receive 200 francs. He told use nothing else, but that Vutinarcali should keep his promise. Did he 1110 t say you should not co out of Ilse room before you told him who you were? He is a liar if be said so. Du you mean to swear lie did out say so? Yes, I swear it ; he told me what I have just said. Did not Colonel Brown Noy you were a moat infamous fellow? I have repeated many times he did nut say so. Dud he not say you would end by being banged? He never told Inc so. Dud lie soy ay thing to that effect? Nothing nt all. I have been seduced by them, and they are Inure infamous than I am. Did you call on Colonel Brown more than once ' I called the first time la the miming mid he was nut al home, after dinner I fussud him. I have beet" take. Did you see buns more thou once? After, I saw him many times in Milan. But • than once at his own house'. Only once. What lime was it that you 11•11 , 1 bins at his own bowie? At the end of ftlarrh this year. Mt it were the papers you carried to Colonel &own at that time? 'lwo or three letters. i'then you ea'led out Vilmarcati the first lime did you tell biro who you were? Ile knew me. I ask you attester Vilmarcati did out ask who you were, and wltether you did slut refuse to tell i No, he dud not ask sue because he knew roe, and a persou took me to his dour. Du you meats to swear that Volowercati did not ask you who you were, and that you refused to tell? Nu, it is nut Did you nut list ■t that time on the terrace Porto Mau ) No; I !mil then at —. Is that the place where Potsazi lives? No. Where do you live now? At pitseut I live at Porto Mao. W hen did you first go to live there? Ou the 29th Sep to miter last year. Have you lived there from that time to the present? Yes Having told tv that for two or titter months you did out think it infamous to In tray your m ister's coufideuce, I ask you if you think it isefainuus to say upon your oath that which 31r. Denman objicted to the question, as the witness had said no such thing. The Solicitor General said he would put it in another fort•. Havitiz fur the fie-t time in the month sit Ja nuary that it II as infan t t;; balmy the confititure of your nia.ter, I ask if you thiuk it infamous to say upuu your oath that which s mitclie Mr. Denman ohj; etre! to that question also fur the same reason that hr übjvctetliq the Fulmer, but his objectisa wa, urerrulcil. To Dry the troth is itistice--(the remainder of the nit nens'a allOrtr we (mild smut Mar). Did you rummunic.ite sliest. facts to Putasti un your own mutiny? I told him on the 27th July. And un you tell og hio UM facts uu the 27th July, be immediately dismimued you? Yes. Who base you been living with since, from that time to the present? lam in trade. What trade? 1 buy and sell woollen cloth fur dresses. Did you stet sway uu that botanic," before? Yea. Have you no s-xneetatiou of returning 11110 the service of Pursuit after this businesa is user? 1 swear uu, because 1 ant in trade. WM) brought you over here ? M. Vaitaali. What ate you to kave fur coming here' I will receive nothing; I ensue here to remedy my error, and tell the truth. Ou you meats to swear that im the only reasuu, and that you have uu expeetati .... of eunspinsatiou or reward from any person ! 1 swear it. Du you mean to swear that you have ant been promi-ed any thi.ag fur main hue? I swear it; they have promised we nothing. Tbea it is ugly lees& to remedy the eeil you base occasioned, and hues smoother motive whatever ? ?Spiking else. Dave pia had uu couieseuicatioa with Putaxam niece you were turned eat pf his if! ? Nu, litcas f se 1 Peat ions the country. Did Punueei never aeatkfue jam ? Nesey. I. be utmjl mutes omdfmre bee Majesty? Ido &glom!, Ark pia lama ,to rictar pus kayo. badjp, eiraimptisa with Put ,ssi sires July? I swear it a liasdnA tboaaapil tiara• . , WINS! it yam carkria gads? At boos. When is that ! At the NV Doss. At Mills? How far is tilt hi& k ? &stance. ' ' ' ***/,'? What do h as 11#eadalodillistee, Mlt &IWO 0 pm! wore elms a mask Have lived at 111111mfeaditifsly to 1164vaseal that ! I always lived as Mills, maps a few days that 1 was is to country. Then yea him put. Iwo almost front Aldan 'wept the time that yea were in the country? Yes, only thin time. DJ psi neat to say, that, thatch residua% in Milan sU ttiitiote, you hue riot cared 'Tian Putsizi or seen I halm ores bias, sad bowed to hint, bat nut spokes to his. Where have you nen his ! lys the Como del How Ina% sines wait that? Abort a month. Was Putiiiisi contented for her Majesty in July when you left his wince ? He was. IM you mesa to swearobst Howes you noel Win is Miles you did not speak to his ? I swear it a hundred thoassod tiniet.—(.4 large.) Wire you sot examined at Milan before you cause here ? Yes. Who was it that examined yew? My depositions we►e given in on the 27th July to the Advocate Pots:at. Were you examined then by the Ad•trf Ole PanKm cm the 27th July ? I, by my owe screed, told hint the whole story. l)td Putaszi take it down is *Alin? I did it myself with my owes hood. And after that he turned you out of his service? Yes. Did he not tell you you most go out raw, for not do for )us to be in my service till the process is over? No; because when 1 was in the office of Pumas' 1 gut nothing, but now I Kam by my trade. Did you leave then no order to gain by your trade, or were you turned uut lie mot me sway. Did you know at that time that you eonld gain any thing by your trade' Yea. Why so % Because 1 still continued iw trade while 1 was in the unit* of Nissan. How COW yea then to an into 'hectare of Poloni for a year, where yuu got nothing ? I was there for the sake of learning to write well. And will yuu swear now that you have no expectation of returning to the service of Putaaeo? I have sio r xpectatien, I have no hope—l ant iu grade, wluch sails me better. lie-examined by Mr. Williams. You said tll.l, because you asked Colemel Brown for more moury, he called you an impudent fellow ; was it before you irectved any money from Colonel Brown that you received money from Vitalist - call ? It was ou the follow tug day. Was it after the conversation which you had with Colossel Brown, that you gave the list of witnesses? Yes. !low much money did you receive in the whole from Vil marcati ? Aletut 330 frames; (ruin that to 40). The Laid Chancellor asked, if any of the Noble Lords wished to question the witness? No question being proposed, the witness withdrew. Mr. Brougham said, eat! up Phlippo Poems again. Poore appearra at the bar and was examined by Mr. Tyndall:— Do you know a person of the name of Riganti! I do. Do you know whether or not his name is Phillip? It is. Whirr dors lie live' (The wattles, described the street in Mitsui.) Of what trade is he? lie sells tubscco, soap, salt, li quo►s, brandy. Do yuu recollect lois eallingon you at any time? lie slid not rail 01/ ❑e; hot when I went into his shop he had al. ways something to tell me. Dal h.: ever make you soy offer ?-- The Atleerney.teaeral oleketeil. There was no part of the evideere whirls fixed the character of agency un Regatta. The laud Chancellursaid, that he was nut then going to . t what lipoid he the effect sir value of the evidence , given by the last witness ; but from what appeared in hie examination to have passed between Yilmareati hod Itiganti, there was ground enough laid to enable the Cuuusel against she Bill to put the question. Oie th et occasion what did Rigasti do? I went to buy salt, tobacco, ur something, and he told me, fur hr knew I belonged to the Barons, " Nine, have you aver seen any familiarities (the original was a word of various ac cepimions) between Itergasni and she Prioress ? Now is the time to come forward and übtaiu a name" (or be come a mall). Did he say any thing more on that occasion; Yes, he told (as I simmered no, I bail seen ins ittelecetteies)—" No' have you no► seen Bfre3oll putting the Princess 011 horse back or imbeds, put his limed up under her pettiroats Did you make any answer to that? Yes, I told him that this was a true (real) falsehood, for instead of 11141, he paid her all Ilse respect and decency which that great personage 'egoista (% Nth was dim). IWas there any thing mare said ? At other limes when 1 went to his shop he antioyed Inc su much that I was obliged never to gee to his shop again. Crory examined by Ike Altorory.Cincral. Yuu say iliet Itigauti never called ou you, hut that this courersation took place *boa you went to Itigantes shop— is that so? Yes, it is ethetually so; lam sure of it. When was it that the conversation look place? 'When I *cot to boy sum. thing; tobacco, salt, or something. I know the oreasion, lint I waut to know She tune—how long ago sal it ? I don't Loots precisely; it happened last year; I doss% know the time prycisely. About what time iu last year? Ile said as many times; when I went to his shop he always said such ausioyaures; he.vdu went ■o far sa to ray he would wage war with her till death—there were invest persons present. Will he name some of those persona' I could name An tonio Ilisadi, also was pi-tarot; there were whets, bat 1 don't know their uatnes. Who is Antonio Bleadi ? He fol queoted the shop. Whare does he live? At Main. What part of Milan'. 1 don't know ; he lives at Milan. What is he—tell me what be is? I duff % know if he is emplowed by the polite, or whether he is iu some other oc es.pation. Mid [tirade hear the eotyv:•raation as well as Pomp, as well as yourself ? Ile slid not speak it to me directly, he spoke it lo all present, not directly to me. 'rhea it was a gem-sal (troves-salmi ? Yes. Ask bon it he knows no sober names among those present 'Tie impossible these things eau be remembers d, ezerpt it bad berm kauwu to are toil dose thiors suld.l happen— den I should have pod all prupte attention. I remember Dirndl was present. Was that which he has stated all that petard—did any thing more pass than he bas stated? I cannot recollect. I always said so answer that her Royal Highness was a just woman (donna yiatria), and a charitable woman. By the Lail of Lauderdale—Was you press, at at the balls ■t the Basun'? Yes. Was your daughter there? Nu; because 1 have got none. --{ Laughter.) How came the *lines, to sey the other day that he received ■ Isere a day fur his wife, and half a litre each fur bit daughters? 1 said ebildress, slot daughters. My eldest son is trine years old; there are others under Lim. I had denia -1 acts, but they are dead. Antonio Majocebi was morn, and msteshaed by Mr. W illiatos. From what plsee does the witness come ? From Vesicle. What business dam he folksy' ? Before I was employed by the police—boo I am nsauagrr of a stage. At Venice ? Yea. IDoes he koow a perma of the ease of Paolo Zany! I do. 1$ hat is he Manager of a theatre. Ask him if he knew that man in March, 1818 ? 1 did. Ask him if he remembers being with Zang* at a theatre in Venice in the course of that year ? Yes. About what time of the year ? In November. At that time does he reinenther Zang , ' receiving any let• tees—one or moire? He received Iwo letters at once. Did he ob.:erre if Zariga opened she letters ur nut ? I saw him open them and express an emotion el surprise on read. log them Then he observed an emotion of surprise lu Zane from reading the letters ? Yes, that it very true. I do not ask what passed iu conversation npoa it; but after that did he and Zane gu Gust Veaice to Milan ! He or tre) set out hum Venice and went to Milan. , -«- 4 .• t • rill= it ~,ri tesa 6, after the receipt et threilafeWlAlNlK cw " 7 1 4 7 140 1721 1 1;:aroyaoee d ihy the H hit arrived at the plane fimatttr y t e : hree West, was there any goose, tiersettlit I oy she per or &e on ? On the day folloitioty test tufteletcb estwival the letters, be weld to the place front Mune, the dilogrsee set net, and reeeivrafiftera golden Napoleons. ---MPterriwwwest th, _ _ i• Porto Originals! I remember it ; we went to Porto Nehru does . - Orientali to look fur the 1110tIgt Nu. MM. Does be semember the houses atljoising on cash side ? Before'* readied' Ike door of 660, is tailor's shop. Is that the Adjoining boost on one side ? Yee. Dues he nut at all recollect the description the adjoin. ing house on the other side of 1140 ? I paid no attention to that, but wily So Ilse sailor's *hop, becaosit we there inquired the marshes' of she door. Does the witness know whether Zang& went into that house or not ? He wens in. DiJ the witness go up stain with him, or remain below 1 remained below. How Intl did Zany remain away ? About s quarter of •n hour. . .... Then the evilness waited for hie Yea. Dud lie auul Zings gra together to ail other house after he Mid twat al No. G6O! We did. While he remained et Milan, 410 e. lie ►esnember going 10 anti oilier house? To Ilse house of Vilniareati. Does he speak of 'be Advocate Vilma/esti—is he u lawyer ? Yes. {That street did he live it ? (The witness described Site street.) Ms that oreasina did Zeno to into the house? Zanza went in and remained about au hour mid a half, but Goa was nit the following day. Did the witness remain below? Yr*. At the resit of tht time did Z imp comedown and juin him again? Yes. After that did he and Zama an to any other house? We went to the house of Major Brown. Major Brown Major Brown ; that was as Zing* told me he was ratio!. Does he know a Colonel Drown as well as Main,. Brown I know sine Brown alone ; I don't know if be is Colonel or Major; I have not twen'has 1. he an Englishman ? Yes. An objection was taken on account of the insufficient proof of the person. The Lord (li:timeline raid, he should be asked, dues be know the prestos he calls Major nelson I saw hint on the following day, when lie met Zanga again, and bowed to him. Zatiga told me— The Attorney General said that was toot evidence. Did he ()twelve that persou and Zueea speak to each other? No. Did they move their beads to each other? 'Phey bowed to cads other, sod each went his own way. What was the street in which Cul. Brown lived ' Porto Orientali. At the Image No. Ml' Yea Now I *Pk if, on this latter occasion of which I have been speakine, Zeuga weut up stairs the evening that we ante d No, on the last occasion stated by the waste's ? Yer, be went upstairs. Did you go up stairs remained below. How long slid Zino reinaeu above stairs? About • quarter of us hour. Did the witness observe any Thing in the hand of Zinga when he came Jowls? Ile had his hand full of double gold Napoleons. How many, to the best of his recollection, might there have bets? He told me 80; I believe) there must have Into so many. Does he mean 80 Napoleons, or 40 double Napoleons? Eighty double gold Napoleons. What did he say to you at that time?--- The Attorney-Genetul objected.. Mr. %%* Minos persisted to his right of pultisig the ques tion, and invited the other side to an as gement. The Aiturwey General said, drat if their Lord•hips in. feuded to he regulated by any roles of evidence, they must rejert that which was now offered. Mr. Williams said, that by any fair and strict interpreta tion of the rules of evidence he was entitled to put the ques tion. Here was a declaration acetempauying an act, wed theme was ins rule which could exclude such a piste of eet. deuce, eves in ordinary caws. But sorry would he be to press the question on such narrow gourds. They were per mitted to prove, if they could, a conspiracy. Now he would suppose a cony/T.:awn after the fart which bad hero proved to the t fleet following :—Suppose the language Zinga to the wituess to have been. You see I have gist eighty double Napoleons for sloiise someihitig, namely, to sorer agaiust the Princess of Wiles. If you, will du as I have dome you may have dusty double gold Napoleons." Suppose the winless to have refused the offer-- The Solicitor-Gemmel interrupted the argument. It bad Preen too much the practice to *appose, in an argument its reply to an objection , the 'elude wailer of evidence objected to, thus euggeettne to the witness the lute of !nationally which he was to give, if allowed to give any . Mr. %William* waisted to know hue he was to make their Lordships understand his case ' if be were out allowed the use of terms to state it. Hail his remarks been ensile tiptoe lily thing out connected with the question, Ibex would have beta, an Insult to their lAsedslops ; but except he was allow. ed lu suppose some case, he could give Ito explanation. Ile would suppose that au offer was made to the t loss — The Attorucy.General saki. coed to the supposition, if it related to au offir made by Zane. Ile at least was out a proved ogee& Mr. Williams said, that lie was anxious to meet the ob. jection in every way. If there was • conspiracy, to Ilse proof of which they were now admitted, they had aught to to-gin at either wad of the case. The Judges hail transited that It was competent ill the proof of • conspitecy either to begin with gtairial eviderics of the arts, and sfterwards cat ry them up to particular individuals, or, if they chose, to begin with the solicitations uf the traders, and follow them out to the crucial effects which they had produced. %Thai he it,. tend , d to represeut on the present occasion use, that up and shown in various parts of Italy, from weir institute* which bail occorred, ofclrirh they were reatiy to otter posit; Isere existed a pr. tiy general outlet staudiug that 113 as. was to be had—that profit was to be made in prat alum. dance—that large advantages wear to be thrived by no. &linking to give evidence against the Priures. of Wales, This is a dry question, whether it is or not aelitiss•thle evi dence. It is a step, fur we can only proceed by steps, and cannot tunic into the conspiracy immediately. Mr. Tyndall—After the able argeematut of my Learned Friend it can hardly be necessary for me so add any dais!. It will appear from these detached facts thal there was a conspiracy existiug for time porpmie of procuring evidence. It is nut necessary for us to call the actin party before your Lordahips. I will put the ordinary camel an election, ail one party endeavouring to sheer that bribery bas been a.m. milted •t an electiois by another party. Whoever thought of calling thews' of the party who actually committed the bribery ? all they would du is lest of all to affect the spot by acts dune in She cosine of tic electior, aid Mai to en. dt' to bring dims sets nomad as ageism the principal. We cue only proceed is mere. Your lorslabiew perceive that one person scatutpaisied muitber to Miles, sad the drat ex. traurdieiary thins Wet happen is, he buds • sem of mosey deposited soniewbere„ that sum of money certairly carnet have come there by chalice. There mist be some deltic. in putties it there; 5u party NNW have bad mese abject is putting the ammey there, hut certain it is it sushi met here been twearriage. For that it was Ostia too large. Froin Gil. Brown's they is is the house uf Yilmarcsii, said from these, go aria to tbe brass of Celesel Howe; lacier at the beast a sawed Mess the ',Reese is given • liesalfsl of double lispuletins. We pet this MVO! aroued—thst it is emit sebstsative fact sweat ethers'smil poem le isfer,sed must tae researily isfselbeesleteace ail a esempirsey. I meow trees it to the Coastal. had at pews% bat the rely swung is per. me is to obey eisar aaddistiact hets,sell at last trace that le the soave of ties whelp. lo to Comitott whet* ea* pens. is eadsaimaeitely , es psi weithirece aoidast •bew.ltsysl Miglieses. It Mao isalbsse. is miliati ebel prey aggesesi Mimi dl d egree be be talp,eyea bp ,ililemeeeeeif Asa To Wee ready ppt se fee se t. Were 4bee Mieleeseei rie memieree, be bee see ode& be Abe Ceemakries. 41 se ./eisbleb abuse tee% moil week Vine et tbe seas velar% WS may be ebie Ak-N•.•the'l 4 . .) 116!"1- ( .:11 • )4.4. to get at the real party. 1a the Clog 'Atone, which eras trial for high tresses, a ktter was prodsceil which was sem authorised by any party, as far as the evidence went, bit it appearing that wren, persons were coseermil is tine desigii„ it was decided that it might be given in cvideuce on account of its being one of the parties. I submit that your Lord ships ought to permit its to go halo the raid' ncr. The Attorney-General—l think your Lord.hipa will no w litlireMwelhoisripwrtameasif lbe wait)* promind to he pat. Mr. Willi - ins, says, that not only this is evid.±ince, bat AMA every prevelant report and rumour at the time she witnesses were at Milan ought tu be received. That is what he IVO_ tends for, if I understand his argiinwitt. Tsar Lartilahips must see to what au.eatent you are opening a door if this evidence is to he received. Isay, if this ato be receive.' sis a conspiracy against the Nfilaii Commionion, it is impossilde to eltfroil it. I sannt (NI tln the receiving of any tact evidrnee to substantiate sn font, a.e bitten.. • t hairs against any islividual. My frond gives up the t•eileuce as strompanyisig the art, Isreinse, if the act is not ttl.. deuce, why the drclarati.iss is nothing. ti lost is the si. goment of my teamed Friend, 111r.Ty15.411! why he tons c4stifts by .tabor his impressinii to row I..ordslitr, that at present they haw,. nut NO a rooodmion fur this t lb -lieu.; but *sr. you must ht is all those Ibiurs, her .51-01 ultimately they miry lie able to coon( et them toucher. I ulij..tt to thus ..!deuce. because you lust,. sat) tied ite suite at present there was smut ya cousins:try, or that it can hi' proved; for yua arc to Iltipptoe all i1100C , ..t tilt !tee) tftl , (011104 (uglily. t ask why they du not tall 7, ins be fine yoo ' rays Mr. Williams, "I will uui ...I him." nary have a tut:lst not to tall !slut ; but yet I ssy, if the decimal, 111111• of 4 111311 were 10 fix :.ost ea m y nem, nn man is oosfo Any oasis can say, •' I sin ageot to A. C;" moil if that is to Ire relied iso, how cm A. 11. be safe' We have heard of a 'too y of the triton..., i i coompiny with Zal/1,1, goisig to a olibgeoce, n finding mane), to rouble them to prosecute their j ninny. At Mo;a.o, nut knowing Colonel Crown, nut kstoorin; alio lo a le rims exi..torol, nut knowing that the person he sir wa a rot ~,,, I Dr o ols rxerpt room the declaration of Zinc', yet 4::1 llilS I VIIIPIII.r, Willi II would liot be ClOOl4ll 10 SIP I t soy horns., 1,,,,g, your Loirolshie• are called 011 In say Illst Z silts is the agent of Vihanti-41i. My Lora, on li. half of Colo nel R-own •siol Volin•reati, I call upon your hued-hops to passe he fon! you remise this UV idt , o4 e I,l.pccuing their character and reputation. Your I.ord-h.pe a. e trying thin rase as it were au indictment for a comapirsicy, and if you were doing so I my Use Coulson I would deart I lola doily if he Mot nist soloject to the evidence. It as out dune to to olio' ass impressioro coo your Lordships.' 'Mood, but it is 1111- 11.1-101):t. fur as to shut our Iy. s as to 0.,'.1...1111 Ilbe 1111 pro D. SIMI Is intended to be made. I 'stopped Mr. Williams when Its. a. 1.1 he roppobed he could prove a ~,,, ething, became I km." it,., are 'supposed to he proved aIiCII slated by the euolutel 011 SUMHIIIIIiiIIi. I say, my Lord:, unless you sin;. 11111. 110-re will Inc 110 tints rill to 111.: iiiorcry. If bus otli not then; will be nu inossibiltly of astswerisig the .',secure g:vo n. 'I 111. 11 gill a leelniical ohjoll , but oi is a film and 1....:,1 uhjo clion ; it is au objection. Valid) 1.1.111.1• as tiros as a r oe.. It r iiroottliam-1 ,:tilirime I have uu sight to reply, which I oto oust wish 111 111, VIP Atilll my Geurral—l really mmd object lii this. Mr Wong- oam sand, besot . ..ours« lls•I no Field of reply to Ida Learned friend, the Attorney-Gem col; but perhaps Itre:r Lordships would •Ilsow boo in snake our 11 1 .).• I v ‘ tiow, wi,,p7 l was nierely that his Learned FEICII.I at elilr6.l to hate I..ls'lr mistake.. the visitant of their arguisioad to support of thew roglot to put Ilse geretotion. They we oe 1101 somtruoliog, tie.t it to any degree affecieol Colima I Drown, loot only tiro Moe had the sight so esve it 411 elfilleill-e 111 14.01 6.1 ihst r.."- smeary whirls they charged to Is ore I Xl*teti ~soon* 11.1111,* ilia , * (duals wills whom they should mods AVOW' to CtS11111:tt It hereafter. The laird Chanrellur said, it appeared to him that this was the first tone in his life that he had rso r heard of Noels evidenee hying, offered. 'Else gronsids us, which it waa ems. tended that this evidence might to hr received, w-ie, ti,....i, the agency of Colour, Brown ; boil that had MIA hitherto been sislutallti4te.l by proof to instily them iii letting so iltix loot of evidence, an tor what had passed bet area tun" mid a titbit person of whom they knew mashing. lie could nut "eive how may floog that Zing -t 551.1 on coming dna o sdaire rondo! lie tvolfttee of what lent passed above stairs, stow dial he nt all know how that could be proved ostlers 7. 1 flea 1611101 f Isn't: called to prove it. Another grouse! W:11., t h at it rosy he evidence of cori-pirsey It, restrict-, loot before it could be toolisitited, Ise woos a open.oa that it was incumbent nu them to prove the counextun of all these pat ties with the comporary. Lord Erskine mid, the sines • now for their enossiolera. tiom ssa%, olio titer sir not if this were au inolictlnteit agaisost the persons in question fur a conspiracy this cvideare w•,..1.1 be. :Mout test ? Now, in a case of conopirary, the cooineaona colloid not he moved 'submit first uprising tine compsraes , lay proving Hs cgod.oice trout the arts of certain oart..•, whom it w•ts the bassisseas of Ow i • cobra &thew:sods *lt iii eilnuirct, as to show them to be elotag•ol in one consointios object. This could only be doom by first of all g•' ''e i. , evodence the acts of parties essgag:ol ill the forth. railer ad . that object ; for it wis impoosteb!o• th at even the Conned could know she extent fu which he emilol carry his prim," until the witnesses bad hero 1%1111111,i. They mull pr,C.4.1 with the evidence link by lick, awl if Its were no; ati:e to connect the chain, theft Ilrltfirr COllllll ItPll.ll, 0 , 4 Vol easareati, nor any other person', could be allecle .1 by ll. lu the case of Ilsoily, to whirls he had before alluded, too which pus Noble and Leal tied Friend ',the Lord Chita-111ov IC laded the proaccsit ion, they begin loy proving *lent Ctl -13111 acts wo_re dome amid letters written. and dechir..t...i.• made, in ord. r to Aro the ox.stenee of liie cote pir.irt . 1)01 his Nettle awl Ixsrsied Fooled, alien he etltCl%.ll :limn tilt' WOIIIIIIIIIOUS evidence in that rate to which lie 1,.. , .! El'Iklill.) objected, but which 111 the opinion of tile h•irii ('his t Justice who peessiolcol, was Ito r eft.l to be vel.h nee propo o t.• be gone into, which decision he neknooledz , ol to ho Criss:. coulorinalole to list law of the lanai—li.l his Nettle ion: Learned Friend at that time know whether lie aloosild L. able to prove any owe of those nets to he the art of tie party. or au act in which the !laity uu trial ass at all impl.- cites' ? Certainly out—he thought he consist prove it, but 1... had failed PO 10 do. He (Loral &idiom-) bad a right to Si.. that his Noble mod Learned I, maul del Ilia pftil•lt ii, be taus the verdict of Ile Jury had iheriikd shat ii was slot peowi.. Boil would any mats impute this a. a toilt to the Noble ass . Learned Load ? Could auy M3ll E.” that he had adopted a. w • g (otiose upon that taccossiou ? So it was in the preao'et Cast: conspiracy Was here lUillUtell, 1111.1 11 Sll3ll C 1.1111,1 Its whether this might or might snot be eviolo nee of ili 11 cos. - spiracy until he knew what d- evidence was. Ii th,•.• short out Cuuusel from this first link of the evidei..• , bow was it possible for them to go on with the is. tuainder of the chain ? The only sion.ations for the • Lordships stow to consider was, whether it their opinmo what had been state-al at the bar was siren 1411/flit! 411 this might go into cow.istenily with that opinion of the Learise : Judger, which had been delivered that morninc, wild wpm which they hall sauce acted thrutighout the examination of a witness this day. He dial not wish ta cony that venial.' .. beyond its hearing, far from it; lie was only anxious toe . to the bottom of it, that he might be enabled to deride : • • far it went to establish the existence of the conspiracy a!• • but Lego charged, and in what degree it would coin esi : . several po tams with that charge. The Lord Chancellor fell quite 'satisfied that if his N..: P and Learned Friend would but examine a little further in this question, be would tratertain more doubt than he ii , • expressed spun it. Its 0 rase of conspiracy, were it a • proved that a number of persons had continual together f • use common object, any thing that was stud or done (tenor of show persons in forthersure of that abject at • good evidence agaisu the whale of the pasties. This I took to be quite clear, that if A B. were once proved to I a party in a conspiracy is winch C. 1). was also peeved ••• be a party, then whatever C. D. said ur did towards 'ff.,: lag the papas. is whirls they were joined would be kg proof of the guilt of A. D. Fur Inatome', if say ether r• • use could pose C. D. to have aged a pattiFe;. , , apse* Maim fur ill oldect the purpose. of tite„cp , epilog, that weak' be 'reef equally agaiss‘A. .11.;..,10: • it wesM set be ',blew 10 e ff ect silk". ettlitso• IS lall" bees lb* roma so he i peetj to thogeapral pf. a , :s o 4 ....,...... io ibis illsit. if Hwy mom po' .., j . g , C. , • loael &ore was a party le Abe ceipepboeyjos . w I - . ftes• is** apose q she., lobs .evieekat. . 41,1- I hoc Reed** Pole whet be boil mid is she pow *we.' •Ow .ram *lab had beosallodoil to by his NW* lid Laura" ••••.- \ 1.2.-•• W Ii I; h