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Whets she lionsib • pwrtredso byway cd gp It the Crown, there was at. op. inetissiltr fur t is other caw % Owe was nitiltiug to goddrille Mimi' if the House, and the gre.tiest imago hard y followed. Stet Aid eekld tot fienhai a Comaditee mold do is ' Nita ease mom dam dm Nome itself. It seemed to be a Mintele Lordships so knew debt', 4mitaillbiedirefilitale mitre Mlle served. Them could =Ll,4l'lll atiflifskee tiopetled I. doe oaken, of the la m*c ewing them. In remes atm*, belie W e g: ii hdit at tie Tresasry MI 'iglu %bet nevi/ par ehldithlt *Owe the tiela,lth•liVilliet , - willowlvidilliffiwir wW 'MU* at the mamsel amber for siejerodailltlalraf ttie suiplet OirthtrAlt ‘• . Tim Ihnipsbilof I,..IItMOWN (10 raised t e s t Oillosfer wiesemeed didwrjlee foe 111 M pradoedem of she 11/Z ki*" ""hf. 6o , fti be celled to Ow her. berammettre approved sad mated, that be had merged Oil Omni& boned Ai - et Awoet, at she Tatman, pie re atelmal 4t, i MOW MO Of detiverry woe gone right. lb& Noy& or LtgletlDOWN moved that Mr. rayon, iso Tustmaamy,. slideild be called to the bar. Same *mahereateMeramtima teamed, in which tie Earl of tdosepord, tall ling, sad Lord Eteraley took part, wises senject wire,lby agreermat, art aside for the present, and Ark Loteholhir proceeded to the Ordir of the Day fur taking ialiatirotweratitti THE CIVIL LIST. Lad Kate mod that to movitig an Address to the 'chosen, it had been his wish to have expreased the tlionkb of the House to hi. Majesty for the retitle. title's iu the axiominure of the Civil List, which he ttad been spaciously pleased to order, but he found that the forms of proceeding would not adkma him in comprise any expressions referring to tbracta of the Crown its en Address of the nature die had to propose; as pert of the public, how. Weir. their Lordships had general cognizance of thit gracious eteosure. and were as liberty to notice It to their deliberations. First, it was to be ob. **resod that these reductions were such as c,..ild nut hpek been asked of the Crown ; they were spoons. netotsly given by the King, and eerie the more satis factory on that accoesui ; but ID proportion to the son4efactiou generally felt must he shit regret that thy reductioue were soot corned on further in re- Ord to the other branches of the civil list. The Ciown having made so spirited a sacrifice of ire own . proper int eresiosot would have been but a decent " 41 ° of roPirti .14 kiinisitio. sod all odiers concern. ed, to hoer followed the gracious example. Ile could alsj . bells thinking that it would have brell more decorous in Ministers to have brought down • Mrs sage from the Crown, stating the intentions of his Majesty-es to thole reductions—to have taLest the scale of No - Isamu, wpm, that measure—and then they might hove gone up with an Address of hum ble end grateful at know's...Nolen( fur the gift of the Sovereign. Why they had not an done he knew net. Did they wish in do good by stealth. that , they had hid from one House that which they bed communicated rarely to soother i—were they. anxious to pretetit the right hand from know ing whet the left was doing ?—or was it that they were . afraid of being called on to follow the example of their Sovereign, and make sunnlar reductions iu their oral emoluments dial not wish to cast reflections on those of their Lordvhiut who were most interested, or to assume that they 'were unwilling to complete the reduc tions of the civil bat. lie was aware that many of them holding very high and efficient situations in tat Govetitmeist, were chiefly anxious for the ho nour .of holding them. The expesolitthe of the civil list woe novolved in intricacy ; at, indeed, what part of the public accounts was not mate intrresie, to prevent, it would seem, the profane oyes of the people from looking into the arenas of &nice. Ile was sorry to say that their were ep ptterai.crs of extrovagame in the accounts of the civil list, which seemed to be incurred for purposes" of purliametitury influence and patronage. oneens•oseghc be necessary for carrying on the mea sures of Goveruniont in another place, but could aysicely be Deeded in this Heuer. It could scarcely Lecouteuded that their Lordships had not a right to inquire ins. the condition of the civil list, or that it woe not within the cognizance of Parliament to revisor it. if they thought proper. It was indeed lowed for she life of the Sovereign; but that did not bar the right of Parliament to inquire into it s if any „Aube were manifest. It had never been toatesided- that Parliament had sin right to inquire, .when complaint. were subsumed to them of the general dellcieocy of those supplies, as had been the ease more than once in the reigu of his late Ma jesty so now; if it could be 'hewn that those bapplots were more than enough fur the proper ne cesaistewof the State, it must be competent in Insonrat •to inquire and make reductions accord * awls: Ou one branch of it Ire intended, before he sat down, to propose • rerluctiou—the ex proses of foreign Ambassadors and Ministers —an article of tali ezlrevtigsncr. over which Parliament bed severed by its owl, act a power to teinde Mid reduce according to the (tees eoion. The Crows moreitree had uo interest in keep . rig up that branch of the es,seiw, and therefore no benefit would be lost to the Crown, but rather otherwiee. by a . serioua reduction. By the 56th of the late King it was provided. that if any saving attnoiri sugar lo the 31 chess (the expense of foreign inissiotis and ensbassie4, it was not to be carried to throttler classes of the list, but to the consolidat ed fund. The Crowu parted with no benefit in the &enaction. made on that cies"; sud it must be quite.eleor that of • cheaper mude of effrctiug the service could lie devised by Parliament, it would be airadatole, notwithatauding the previous outrage merit., 'foe that %touch of the expeuditure of the civil list. There were two or three other dense' on which he might have to remark. At . serereut he would °Leave that the classifications adopted were not such us promised to conduce much (*economy: 'fray sere arranged ou the plan of she IroillEilltO Of 1816, a perluil when the effect of • diminished print was nut cce,treeptated. and Hie value of all articles stood in a very differeut state . . from that which esisted at 'Oiliest. 'The race. before the Home did not comprehend all the mis• lions proposed were very inadequate to the sl;era. lions. The whole maw of allowances fur Anthers boas of prices, by which those estimates were ad. radon; in 1791,inclading matey charges left out of the vimeed eirashl•rably. comparing the pliers of 1816 present ret serum. such as those for Secretaries of Am ami 1811. He understood that the redactions pro- bassadors, Consul., Agents, Secretaries of Legation, fared were 33,000/. on the part of the Crown, and i were 80,1851. The expense for Ambassadors alone, 80,000/. on the other branches. making together i is 1821, was 133.000/. Here be would supply the sum very short of the advance which had been omission fur the other diplomatic charges from the mode in the estimates by the decrease of prices. He 1 estimates of 1816, which corresponded in most 'rested this sacrifice with that of Queen Anne, particulars .with the 'armful, of 1020 ; the stlcli sok res i gn ine *OO.OOOl. out of a, Civil List of I bona' charges of diplornatscetpeednurei 13.82 0 1.1 000,000/. [liis Lordahip read that part of theQuierw. l making the whole diplomatic expenditure for 1821, Speech which related to the stibieer, in which she 147,000/. which cost, Consuls included. in 1791. sgthalowledged the bounty of Parliament, and pro-. no more than 89,0001. He enumerated ex ' Weed. after saving all that timid be spared from penses of missions, for Secretaries of Legation, the Civil List, to give directions for the applicatien I and other purposes, which he was sot far of it to the services of the yeaci—What comps- from the mark in estimating at 120,0002.- 1 them was there between the sacrifice of one-eighth i He valued the whole expenses at 282,0001. The gibe Civil List in that period, and the offtr to re- total estimates of Isla for this one heal were dace a sum of not more than 81 ter cent. at pre. 926,0001.; but then there were charges laid before seut—a period which was more marked by dis- Parliament in 1821, farrow& for Foreign Anibass3- tress ? Let it be recollected that the Act for con- don—presents to Foreign Ministers—and several Leung the Civil List was brought in after the other matters, which mad e the actual expense mount assaciment of Mr. Peel's Bull. Be / concluded, up to 982,000/. being a n increase en the same ex trema the similarity of the items, that the esti- penises for 1792 of wiper cent. while the proposed Cates for the Civil List made in 1816, were the reductio ns were no t 10 per cen t. H is L or d s h i p theta undation for die Act of 1820. He proposed to put went into a detail of items of extraordinary diplo a• tof the question the climbers of the first class.— mastic expenditure. which chiefly related to the rats roig Lordship then went into a statement of details mons of Lords C as tl ereag h, Swaim, and Cathcart, at shew that the allowances on the Civil List esti- Vienna. He particularly marked the year 1818 as the atotesof 1816 agreed in most of the particulars with anus ariratilis for profusion in that class of expenses the schedule of the Act brought in on the accession • year which was as extraordinary for the lavish of the King.} These estimates were founded on newer expense,as for the cold calculations of policy, high prices before they had begun to decline; and the transfer that was made of the interests of even at the time of passing the Act there was a I the people of Europe, without regard to their will great difference between the prices then and at f —when every thing was given up to the stronger present. The estimates of 'lBl6 having been the Powers, sad those negociations took place which foundation of the Act of 1820, he was joatified I would long cause the English nation to be remem in aging that the classing of the Civil List had bered with hatred sad disgrace. He estimated the nothing whatever of et.samitty in it. In former combined expenses of diplomatic missions and the times there was • specific snin allowed to dis- eniertaincneut of Farrows Ministers in every way charge all the expenses of the Civil List. The fur the year IBIS at 334,0001. He particularly Crown then had a direct interest in economy. commented on the presents made to the Court of If the expenditure on one branch were ester- Rennin, to which there seemed to be no end. In regent, im encroachment must hove been made one year they amounted 12,1931. This was the on another to redeem the loss. Perhainent did not way in which Parliament had exercised vigilance then interfere—the Crown was left to manage its and control over the Civil List. Here were the re own interests. Now, what war the consequence, sults of that control in a permanent sugmentstion since the arrangement of classes by Parliament had of expense to the amount of 74,0001. a year. He taken place? One port of the services was pro- adverted to the method of managing diploma vided for by a specific suns, which was not subject tic appointments. He then came to the pensions to variation ; the other branches were placed under granted to Foreign Minister,. An expectation had what was called the vigilant control of Parliament, been held nut to Parliament that the expenses and the result was a greater excess than at any of diplomatic missions were saved by the pen former time. They all knew how business was ions. The words of the Committee of Ft done in Parliament. Mett.tiree of that kind, if they nonce were, that it might be generally assumed were reserved till June, or late its the season, and that in proportion to the amount of pensions introduced late at night, might he passed, be what granted to foreign Ministers the expense of they Might, without difficulty. S7nce that boast- salaries diminished, and rice . Ile wished to ed arraugeinent by which the expenses of the ask, as the salaries had increased, had the pensions Civil List were to be winched over and kept. really diminished ? lie believed not. Pervons were down by Parliament, those expenses which were sent abroad nn minions to qualify them to re in . 1792, 898,0004 had increased in 1016 to ceive the pensions ; when tiny were ready they 1,847,0001. ; besides which, the list had been re- returned home to enjoy these pensions, and other !need from the maintenance of the Royal Faintly sets were sent abroad to take their salaries.- the veyment of the Judges, and several occasional • payments. So that those services, winch altogether Cost about 1,003,0001. in 179 i, trod in 1816 grown in expense to 1,937,0001. He was not going to complain of the expenses of the Kiel Family, brit it was fit to he remarked that this expense was equal to three-fourths of the money formerly rais ed for the whole civil government of the country. The expenses of the first, fearili, and fifth classes, together with the pensions grouted to the Royal Family, were 678,000/. He considered that to make the public bear the burdens laid on them contentedly, there should be some sympathy thew° them in their distress—not by words, bat deed..-- Looking at the curtailments made iu the salaries of the great officers sod the sinecures, the country bad no greet reason to be .ati•tied. tie was pre pared to chew that much of the expenses were made available for purposes of parliamentary na fiuence ; he might appeal to Mr. Bitrke's measure for economical reform, and that pretended reform of economy in 1817, when certain Acts were passed to repeal several sinecure places, to prove the truth of tins assertion. lie was sorry that he had ,a 4 the returns for which he had moved to elucidate this part of lsi subject, that they might see at once what benefit the public bed derived from those five or *II different Acts. He did not Ititow that there was any benefit accruing from them : one of them, he believed, abolished the office of Clerk of the Pell* end the Chief JUSLICre ill Eyre.. He believed that nothing had been saved by that measure; ha would Imre liked to cast up the profit and loss, and to have ►een on which side was the b dance. Ile Imbed to belie seen what was the amount given to the holders of the offices in compensation for their losses by the Act brought is the same year, entitled An Act to enable has i♦laj.sty to eonopenssete per sons bolding high efficteist situations," &c. He was Dot aware. but he believed that the col/opener -6ms • would swallow up all the savings effected by the reductions of the offices. At the time of Mr. Burke's economical reform, there were several sinecure offices in Scotland which had Their Lordships would find, upon examining the returns, that the charge for pensions and that fur salaries to the diplomatic branch of the civil service, were both increased. Many of the Ambassadors em ployed in foreign pads received their salaries at a rite of exchaage which imbjectrd them to • cones. derable hw, and it was found necessary to make a corresponding addition to their allowances in order to compensate them for the loss so sustained. The Revolt of the Committee on the Civil List, on which the present scale hail been founded, stated the amount of loos eostoined in some instance*, by the variation of the exchange under particular cir cumstance., to hare extended as far as JO ur 40 per cent. and recommended a proportionate increase in the amount of the allowances; bat it added, that as the cncumstances which gave rise to that unsettled elate of the exchange might be expected to subside, • corresponding diminution of the charge to *inch it had given rise might be looked fur. No such ,diminution had, however, taken place; the ex changes had long since steady, if not entirely, re. tamed to their stature! level ; why then had slot the •appointrneuts aid allowances to the foreign Minis ters heels reduced ? Had the advooce in the pay - sod allowances of foreign Ministers been productive of benefit to those persons who were regularly trent ed to the profession of diplour cy ? He believed ..the fact to be quite otherwise. Formerly those per sons lied a fair chance of being promoted from the inferior stations to those of higher rank ; but he be ' belted no clisnce now reinatued of obtaining the more lucrative appoiottneres hut to those who were related to Members of Parliament. Ile remem bered many instances in former tunes of p r ies:sue "sho ve ex er t i o n , a n d wh o s e services had euceesaively raised them through all the lower gradations to the highest degree of diplomatic rauk. Now, how ever, no chance remained of similar elevation as a reward of exertions, however rneti Orions; the great prizes were reserved almost entirely fur the connexions of Members of Porliasnent. The ad. Vance of pay, therefore, had been followed by a decrease of benefit to those who war regularly not been abolished. At that time, 1797, u question arose about the propriety of reducing them : it was supposed by some that they were protected by the Act of Union. Much cunning and ingenuity were used on both sides. It was eery plausibly couteuded by some of the Scot.+ holders that the Act ought to be construed with respect to the offices most fevuurably for the public. But bow was the argument applied ? Why, that the public were benefited by the plan which would put most money into the Exchequer. The officer, in fact, were protected and existed of that very moment as complete sinecures as the Chancellorship of the Duchy of Lsocaster. Mr. Burke proposed to re duce the Master of Site Muck Hounds and the Master of the Hawks. He did not know who held the latter office, or whether he was a Member of Parliament or not. He intended, however, to found his motion on the expenses of the third class. Since 1793 there hud been a constant rise in all the ■llowances fur diplomatic mis sions. There had been a frequent new model ling of the whole. accompanied with an inva riable tendency to increase. Its many cases the businers, cud the very Courts where it had been transacted, had beets swept away; but in no case had the allowances been diminished—they had con. stoutly increased. The importance of the missions might have been more or les+ at different periods ; the salaries: had gone on increasing. The returna ,Jruteglit up in the service. Io support of this opinion the Noble Lied referred to the appointment of Ambassador at the Hague, • poet formerly of considerable labour and imporivaice from the nature of the negociations winch were connected with it. but, like an embassy to any petty Germen Court. not thought worthy the aftenuon or acceptance as Member of Par!lenient or any of his connexions. There however he now found Lord Clauesriy. with allowances to the amount of 11,0001. • year. with no uppercut busineer of greater moonlit thou that of yoke...nine petty Dwell town with his prepense. Unless Sir Cheeks Stuart we* greatly underpaid, the allowance to Lord Clancerty inept comei• dered wextravagantly disproportioned to the duties which lie had to perform. fle next in-tanced the appoietment of Sir W. A'Court as Envoy Ex traordivary to the Court of the Two Siedies. It might nu doubt be very convenient to that gentle man to have such all appointment, aid extremely flattering to his Sicilian Majesty to have an officer of that rank at his Cuurt ; but l ie (Lord King) did not know why the people of Euglaud should be called on to pay for it ; at:d tie to any secemity for such un eppointinent, he remembered an obser vation of Gibbon oil a similar occe•ion. that soy account of the eruptions of Mount Vesuvius which be might have to tratistnit to the Government at home. would he found a much more important subject of communication thou that of any polstical NM lIIIN . • mut whiCh could occur at that Court. The sum charged in the estimate for the embassy to Switzer land was 4.5001. for a service which was formerly done for 2501. a year. It might be said peeshep. . that all these appointments were nrcessaiy to pre serge the present excellent arrangement of the bis ' hence of power in Europe—but if they said the ba lance of power in the House of Commons, he be lieved they would be nearer their real object. If the miss•inn to the Swiss Cantons were placed on a reduced scale, the safety of the Republic would be etolangered ; if those to the minor Courts of Germany were wiihdrawn, the larger Powers would swallow up the smaller ; if the expellee of the em- bossy to the Hague were dinitni-hed, France would speedily overrun Holland and the Netherlands. In that manlier, nu doubt, it would be argued that all these appointments were necessary to maintain the balance of power in Europe. But it was strange, and rather unfortunate for such an argument, teat so many linter:cell of non-residence occurred amoug the persua.e at the head of these diplomatic mei 'iota. It was also extraordinary that nit the mere rumour of the intention of the King of Portugal to return to Lisbon, it should have been thought ne cessary to appoint an Ambassador Exeruordinary to that Cruel at a salary of 15.000/. a year ; bat now that the King had actually returned, a &err cretary of Leper ton as Charge d'Affaires was thought adequate to the service of that mission. What be chiefly complained of was, that advantage had been taken of every pretext that offered to ioe crease these appointments, and to carry them to too high a pitch, but that when a favours. ble opportunity was offered by a change of circumstances to reduce them, he could not find that any diminution was made in the ex• pellet. It would perhaps be said that the increase its the allowances was not more than was necessary to meet the expenses, and to reward the services of the persons who tilled the appointment.. He be lieved indeed that the money was spent ; but if the pay and ollowairres were deubled, tray, if they were quadrupled, he had nut the smallest doubt that the whole of what was paid would be spent, end an in crease to soy amount might he .equally us well de fended on the score of its tirces'ity to meet the ex• penises incurred. lie really believed that influence mid patronage were the ohjects which were the real. cause of all these great addition, to the expense and the number of aec•h appointments, for that was the vital principle which pervaded the whole sys tem of our establishments at present. Ile found the Treasury swallowing up nearly all the patron age of the public Boards in every department. If he looked at the revenue, which was collected at an expense of 4 or 5,000,000/. a year, in the several departments of custom., excise, post-office, and as d taxes—if he looked at the augmented esti blishmeot of the office of Commander in Chief— if lie looked at the India Board, and the office of third Secretary of State, the former of which was, in his opiuiou, wholly useless, fur if a third Secretary of State were at all necessary, it was for the Weirs of the Colonies, to which India naturally belonged—it was plain to him that influence and patronage were the objects for which the exteusite establishments of these several departments were kept up; end they had at length come to hear the uvuwal made, thee to keep up the Menem. of Go- vernmeat, ce►tain offices. no matter whether useful or useless, most be retained. Of all the operations that the present Ouvermnent had ever planned—of all the campaigns that it had ever directed, there was cone of which the success was so unquestion able as that which it had carried un against the in dependence of Parliament. They knew that their power depended chiefly on the means of aetiolying the claims of their friends and followers by whom they were supported ; and they refused to save ma. liuo•, because if such SUMS were cut off, nothing would be left to gratify the cupidity of their friends. The Noble Lord concluded by inuring— " That an humble address he presented to his Majesty, staling 111 0 be the .'pinion of th.t Mouse, that the expeusee of the civil government of the country had beta greatly and unnecessarily Mertes. din various branches and deparuneeia, but miter esperi.lly its that which, under the regulations of the Aet of the 56th of his late Majesty's reign, formed the third class of the Civil List; and humbly praying his Ma jesty to be graciously pleased to give the accessary orders for redu&ne the amoaat of the 'Hid expenses, as far as the tame could be done consistently with the dignity of the Crown and the interests or the country." The Earl of LIVERPOOL said, that whatever might have been felt formerly on the suhject of the expenditure of the country.% hatever might have liven thought or the expense of its establishments. and whatever might be the language which had heretofore beeii used iu speaking of the conduct of the Go. vernment in regard to the want of economy and the profusion of its administration, it was with the ut most surprise that he heard such a charge brought against it at the present little, as that which the No ble Lord had just been making, of a wanton disposition to odd to the burdens and distresses of the country, by increasing its expenses, by the maintenance of unnecessary appointment% or by placing the establishments of any department upon sic extravagant scale. Their Lordships had before them the Reports of Committers at former periods; among others they lend the Report of the Finance Committee. appointed by the House of Com. minis to 1817, which, lifter an inquiry into the siliole of the civil and military expenditure of the cuoutry, slated what it considered to be the amount at stanch it was likely to be thereafter permanently fixed ; they had also before them the fact that by the exertions of the Goveroment the estimate of the expenditure hail been re duced 1,200,000/. a year below what that Cont mince bad reported as its probable future scale. That being the fact, was lie lint home nut in saying that the Noble Lord wits nut warranted in the charge which lie hod made alpinist the Govertiatent of a disposition to increase the expenditure or the country beyond the just demands of the exigencies of the State ? In the views which they were in the habit of taking of this question, !Jetsam. were always in the habit of overlooking the enormous amount of the dead expense which had grown up out of the extraoidsuary circumstances of the late war, which it was not in the power of Parliament, without injustice, to touch. When it was consi dered that the amount of that charge fur hall-pay and similar allowances hoe past services during the war, which could not be reduced, was 5,000,000/. ; when the proportion *lnch that M.llll bore to the whole amount of the expenditure was considered, he would ark how such a charge as was now wade • . . again', the Goveriment marl fora morn nt he No. held ? With 'aspect to the observations of the Nog, Lord oil the effect of the joriadiction of comer,' of Parliament over the rxtrrissrs of the Civil I.ist, begged to remind the Noble Lord, that lb s . * , 4,, had most deeply con-idered the asilojett, that intally' even of those who wile the moat areuirgly ep pe .o to Govennuerit, had maintai n ed t h a t the great el. vantages of an established civil list were, that as long as the expenses were confined within the limbs of the prescribed nllowance, no inquiry *mold lbs made into the particular applicator, ' of the rota„ expended, and that sneh uti exception of the l fair List from inquiry would operate as an iodises meta to the Crown to econono., ' is Yte PO as to keep it within th e i.l:O ~Te . n . „,,_ r t poed, however. that the braiteli to which the ? -Isle Lord had tiarticular:e addressed himaseif was placed out of consideritlOtliti that airange-turn:, and was ordered to he prodded for 1.1 an express annual grant, in order that it might lie submitted to the fare control and discretion of Pali:num. But the Noble Lord was smog in supposing that when the Report of the Committee of 1816 nee made. on which the scale of the Civil Li st , adopted four year afterward., at the com mrc „,,,,.. it of his present Nlajesty's reign, was founded, ,octi depreciation of the currency prev.iled a. wacc:c/ materially alter the effect of chst scale on the cir. cunistancer of the present period. For that tuuojlC was made not with reference to the circmustances of any former period, not with reference to any erne lag depreciation of the curreocy, but with a bee to the circumstances of the iirne—when the ex changes were in favour of this country, when gold had fallen in price, when a large coinage of golu was issuing, when the prices of commodities were falling, and when every thing tended to render the arrangement most f,ronrable to the country. Their Lordships were aware that in thar,aod in the other House of Parliament, Addresses were moved, pm. mg his Majesty to direct an inquiry solo the offices, the salaries of which had been increased sluice 1797, in order that they might be reduced t o a scale corresponding with the alteration in the currency, and only making a fair alloaance far any positive increase in the diaries of those offi ces. The Government might fairly have moot there, and in strict execution of the terms of these Addresses, have limited their application to those offices, the salaries of which had been increased since 1797, in conseqnence of the decreased Mae of money ; but far from being actuated by any de sire such as had beers imputed to them, of unne cessarily increasing the allowances to persons iii the service of the Government, or of keeping them up to a higher scale than the mature of the services re quired, they had felt it to be their duty to recom mend to his Majesty to issue an Order in Cooncd, directing a reduction of 10 per cent. on the salaries of all the great Officers of State whatever, where no increase had been made,with the exception of of the First Lord of the Admiralty and the Chancellor of the Exchequer, either on account of the deprecia tion of the currency, or of the property tax ; hut the same numerical amount of salary had been re tained, whatever property or income might have in creaped in value during the war, or diminished in cousequerice of the peace. Knowing that the soh.- ries of these offices were not too large, and he would appeit on that point to any one who had ever Mb! soy of those offices, they had yet felt it their dui, while inflicting on others the necessary ieduction, to sheer their disposition to bend to the distresses of the country, and to recommend a like reduction on those offices. There had been no necessity, even if it had been their duty, to recommend a similar sacrifice on the part of the Crown; but the redac tion which had been proffered of the charge on the civil list and the four principal departments of the houaehold, was the spontaneous act of the Sove reign. The effect of these exertions had been an immediate reduction in the amount of the expenses of the civil government of 400,0001; and a fso, tare reduction. as the offices fell in, of 173,0001. more. He would appeal therefore with confidence to their Lordships to decide whether his Majesty's Servants had not done all that could, under the circumstances in which they were placed. have been fairly expect'd of them towards diminishing the expenditure of the country and its pleasure upon the people. He now came to the observations of the Noble Lord on the third class of the civil list, namely, the Ambas sadors and Ministers in foreign parts. One Mil. truant fact to which he wished to draw the attention of their Lordships, and which lie had no doubt they would be somewhat surprised, after what had fallen from the Noble Lord, to hear, was, that the scale of elluAances to foreign Ambassadors, which they were culled on to consider as • fair proportion, was formed as far hack as 17111. in which no alters. two hod been made up to the year 1804, when that stale was adopted, which it was iv 18lti thought advisable to alter to the present rate. — Now he would appeal to the knowledge and ear riestce of any one who had any experience on the subject, whether that state of things was not such as to make it mimosa to any one to enter into the public service in the diplomatic lire unless of ry as r po x u h ra t i u s a rd e , e x: se:: t s u u u l ircehwoolitifi•ewesr l e s s.hew e A re nd i former lia i d le e scalefr wouldot h f e t N h e e g i t to iut to the estimate and papers ou their Lordships' bible in confirmation of his opinion, that the pri sons kidding such appointments et present did out reciter expense. o f , mori hae was sufficient offices. to viler wouldtli eresseo c.d i Hb on any person tout to the diplomatic line, but who had ever been its foreign parts, to say whether the appointments of any one of these situa tions writ wine than suf f icient to cover the large expenses which they erecesesrily incurred, and whe ther they were Veen equal to the due discharge of all such rigorism'', without involving the wool , s who held theme. unless they were possessed of some considerable 'solvate fortune. Referrieg to the observations of the Noble Lord on the embassy to the Hogue, he declared that if it were determined that but one embassy should be kept op, and all the others should be abolished, he should have no hesitation iii saying, that the one to the United Proviricens alcoirld he the one to be kept up; sod he was sure that no Englishman who referred to she !lust eetweatous of this country will those Provioces, and the union of their juiciest.. would come to any other conclusiou. The allow. suers to the Ambassador at that Court were !WV'S. Sin II) large, because the cbauge of the residever tit • =IC r • I I. - I = NIII Woad& I I I