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N , , -.it,. . . 1 1 / 4 .. .. .! - his dues which could only be drawn by rliotrest; but to give more for land than it wv ihtla Ult ; '•pn his income woo made up from small contr4isire seeffied.-to have -forgotten that :115er5r .....• _ ir;eh ha m oot akaiiiionowd letiveltisoon faintly state of colbbinition among the thine ...,,,,,.. 4,o ftsm ,„ ... . . -. t u. ..••••••$.O. 'Of b. % e ge bol. stran g ers, whi c h led t o t he e mo t e r - does. Time. ~.......l io .:, . I •;,. N.. "1111 • " 111 contact with the most indigeot psi. ~t liar po pe- sat' ..,,,,....... 3 . lotion, in a state of m entire exhaustion, but inmost ISl.ouglit forward the proposal more uuder ! ' crises those from 193.9111. he tlementied ,his does were , ticto,,that the krises rasielobir .e• framed as 'ritairotl rr ; persuasion, and one directly id '-- to his iliiird in the way of ri more general meo elAinse. To remedy this main evil, lie proposed to there were caries in which they might In Carl in a Bill to errOht Jke;.,.il,c:lVOr'ltll'.fitetit.rt , .feet; .arottf tine Blll.were earned what lease of tithes for 41 ours. tits second propcetition there of the Government ,striding for*. *pod . be to eireble theincumbent'in enter into I t . pose a mare general measure ? He war , lessee with the ProPriefot of the l'and ; sod thusthey : .tliey never would ; rend therefore theHor would get rid of the two chief difficulties. Ouriog right to expect that aortuessure proposed the,period Of the lease there would be no difficulty !Should •be one, not of *weirdos/sit in the ore- in collecting the tiihei, anti the composition being • made degree, but of general and extensive 'tumu li sod and certain. lhe'eiPetiees to be paid by the lc- neat suivantage. The ; Right Hou. Gem. had sail r ostler of the bold viottltf xl.O he Matter of certainty Oatmany difficulties stood i ll it ) , way alloy general to he previously ascertained. He might he told oiesiure of comintitotion ; but .that those difficed that leasing tithes was already in operation ;' but brie were, he hail not attempted to sheer. There hts . Bill enlarged the power of the incumbent, Se were,tin getitions egsiost It from either lay-iropro as to make tne ' bargain equally 'advantageous and priotors or clergymen.; but lie (Sir H. l'irsiell) be timdinu for the whole period comprised in the lease. liefred thet, in posit of fact, the greet body of the Vs - prevent any danger to the church properly, clergy in Ireland were in favour apf such is mea- Which had not the natural parental guardianghip for sure. It was most important o as t the geperal opi rite successor which belonged to landed property, neon of the clergy of Ireland shosild be oscertoitted ; the covenant moot be subieet to the inspection of hewould therefule reorl'to the Ihnow.suote of the The ordinary. He wontd also propose to Ore the communicatioos whieNhe bid received from c:ergy incumbent polier to enter into an regiment with men to. Olt Sulijectottthe time when he wog briuging the reversioner of the land for the ceityletion ot t ihe forward his Bill, which sermolteohew that they were same period of 21 year.. This wait' oat i specials- by no means generally Neves to .. soilt • ,plou. The live fettle& ; the benefit's of it had hero telt sind ...am of the parties. for obvions rumor, it was •eaperienceri already. Wherever Consposition lad unnecessary for hilts to mention' „brit they were per `taken place those perishes discovered an improve . sons of the highest authority and most respectable Mem in the condition of the peOple, pod an opiros character. [ lite Right Hon. : Baronet kocettled between them and the clergy which was sensible lo to read from these diferent.leitett Item clergymen, every one who' witnessed it'. tie had the blipping suggesting specific pl a i t s for hing a.general cool anticipations onto the result. If parties bed alreitly mutation in lieu of tithes throughout,the country.] entered voluntenly into agreements of this useless He came, therefore, to the crmelesion. Ott if the there was the proof of the - goodner4 of the remedy'. Right Hon. Gentleman re a lly had any wish to 'The clergy, relieved from the,ensiety of collecting bring forward a satisfactory geiters),mempre, it was their doe., 'would he able to devote themselves more only necessary for him to talte the optilions of the entirely to the sacred duties of their function. He clergy themselves; all Shot- tem seaming pees am 'would riot suppose that the tended gentry would centy in the search, to lend to the discovery of a feel itn7 OppO•illOo to so desirable en erraogernent. plan at once efficient and desirohle. If an acreuble They most be glad io have their dealings•cutifined tax were objectionable, _sotp_e other way might be now to men of 'manly and education, and they deviled of effecting the object; such, kir in *bold Meet wish corresponding cutdirlity on ihe stance, is lied been carried into e ff ect in ~1 the' • . part of clergy. It might be said iliSt !hiss snea- some cases, where u rate authorised by Par sore would Prevent a general eomiuutatioo of. Ohio. hament was levied upon a Witioleerarith. and He presumed that it !would' hive no such eifeet. He money raised therefrom to be Teeted in the 00- was willitig to . Viten to that or any other proposition chase of land forthe Use ,of 'the ctergyrmati. He which shodid"be submitted, but he had roUnd hoped theHoUse artudil . not he induced to ogres to great diMetilty in considering that question of coin- the'lliglit Hon. Gentleman's Bill, which, if adopted, mutation. ffeloilliiiiined, however. that the ores- would stand in the way of other efficient measures. sure would fiditilate any other which might be And he trusted the Right Hon. Gentleman would brought fOrviaid for the general commetstion of not press it until he had uscertaisied the feeling and tithes, and thaCteini the Matron of t4i Hon. tiro. opinions of th e clergy an d the cou n try; but would net when he farmerlyinfehAucedo merivelike the lake until the vest Session to inquire into that present. He ifetWedtWtgoitiee thetflie mend e#s subject, and consider what measure would be most monition bildren for some time index the confide- consonant with the feelings of the country, and titian of ' the' NO Ocrineitk, went, 515(1 that the likely to provide ,the most efficient remedy. He best and speediest Otis .wotild be taken to plat was sere the sArsis ood.motion of the Right Hon. into opiestinti . .+,y ' e ( .w of the kind ' ,w hich would Gentiggaanwould of themselves satssfy she people be sselsoliejitsle - and useful . '4lfter tiPologisiiig,for of Ireland for the present, tied reconcile them to the length atidAiielitY of his eddtesi, he trta,f a or the short delay by the le'serimiee it ithirag, hold out , • . • • leave to . blitz in a Bill to etuible E . cc e ta .el of relielf. t and othei rifiono in 'lreland 'to grant . eases of 'Sir J. NeWPoaT pet fectly agreed in opinion with Tithes, to hi Winding on their Successors, the Right Hon. Baronet who had jest sat down, that Sir HAwailiiiit.i. said that the tithe 'system bed it would be much better not to attempt any reforin been Odinteit testi .14 Mr. Pitt, at the time of the of the tithe system at pr e s en t, than to edupt a mes- Unirin;• as the great evil of Arthur, ; it ho .beep sure so wholly inefficient for any good purpose 'as so detignsied often 'since then, led no remedy that now proposed. In ;noel of the int;fficsicy of emitted to it. Ile was not to bleMe. As soon es this plan, he appealed to those cases where such a _begot a seat in the MOSS he submitted's motion, I power as was herein contained already termed : lie which he . had repeated every oucceed,ing year for p meant the cases of Bishops' tithes. In all Ireland considerable time. Petitions conic from all pa l e, there were no tithes so badly administered as in those Of the Country 'Complaining or its grievancys. Al parishes where the Bishop hod the claim to the tic last the state of the country made the evil itOoleor I tonal tithes. They possessed the power of leasiog, Ale, and Governioeitt had turned their a ttention hot into) instauce wi th in his knowledge had any to h. The 'qtiestiera 'fer . riarliernesit now ter. me to . leases beets granted; on the contrary, he knew of some the Wore and extent or the cbenge to be effected. I cases wherein gentlemen had offered to become ft- T. indgethis Pihperly they ought to muterstand musts of those tithes in o rd e r t o protect thetr . 9,1,m the extent of - tits He was of opinion that it estates and their truants fr o m the (Sligo of I tlse ow would ev i ct:vire a much more genresl ntemitare than tors, and to secure them ag ainst the improper doer nett.. He did not aver that t)ie' evil lay to the manila which were continually enforced fur the otnonot or tithes 'exacted. The clergy did not re- tithes, and these gentlemen had been refused, and ...rive tinyrthin i g Atka the'proportioo of a tenth; lie the proctors still allowed to Proteed io their ex: Iseheiest 'thin" hips, exacted it with great lil?era. action. With respect to the dt(fiepthieti *Kiehl the toy, n o , t h e 111 4 0; . 1 : 14a. pentleinasi woe quite Right Huisounible Gent's-coati ' !hid Alleged as ex wrong in asCribing the isii-paytneat of tithes to the wing in the way if any genius) measure. ,he was exciiisiteieuto. Thelithi l ts.esshes:id truly, were of at ii loss to know !here any dillicrilties were to iitcballitferale euronrit inn (fienatielees—and there- be met with that might not be easily overcome. fore the erinsihdeitiOsi 4 eieessive rents was put fie was sure that if he could poll the parochial staite out of the gale.' lnetire Mode 4colleeting clergy of Ireland one by one, in such a manner as ilk tithes created I tli# grevrioCe.. lieu' there was to prevent their 1111'00 Trig s being mode kuowo to &et power on one lienb,' end great poverty upon their ecclesiastical superiors, he would answer for ithfch to exercise it o"n . tree :t1,"111.. there most be polling fire-sixths of the whole in favoer of ,s gene emotion and tyrann ) .''. The dipculries were fre- rat commutation. Every branch of ihe tithe eastern (*oily ag'railitirrhy the mode of asserting the was loaded with evil, but there as noise dirt lied COL A• stitgle clergyman liald been humus to been so fertile 'in mischief as the tithe upon pot.- &avulse • whole district, hy epposiag the toes, which, wherever it had been introduced, had Lab I to the custom is the collection of his tithes. proved the most prolific source of discord, wrieery. The poorer of the proCtor Was by far,too greet. He end disturbance. It was one of dm causes Most Could choose between the Ecclesiestistil and the deeply affecting thetranqiiillity of Trelepa;* 'and if Exchequer Courts, as so where he would bring his soy proof were wanting That the tithe on potatoes, action. He did not wish to wake this pert of the and the mode in which it was enforced, was one of ttutilTon *arse than it was, ondlie would therefore the most powerful exciting curates of the disorders iffateit case :—A process tuned brim the g*the q uer which afflicted that country, it was abonchintly tO . 'teetseer tithes which were for the year 181 . 6, afforded by the contrast of the peaceable condition no. 414. ; fur 1817, 75. ( 6.1. The consequence was of those districts in the' north, where it was hitherto that the map pityl at 141 11;0•. 10d.. likelUdioi happily unknown, with that of those parts of the 4[ 10s. costa. Every individrial . was liable to this, sobtb and west, where it hod led to 'disturbance, process at the will of the ;flavor. As to the tell. istroge, and insurrection. 'He could tell the Right Rion of the people being a barrier—lll gave it ass Honourable Gentleman 'that the tithe system, slid his confirmed experieuec, that the .Cotbolics offered the manner of enforcing 'it. was rat is a grievance, the leaat objection—the l'uittromots the *Dugout complained of as such,' ocd even resisted as such by complaints to the tithes. As • bode there wee the rich proprietor of the . Established Church, as nirthing like egines4resietanee to the pitypent ,ill' Well as by the Boor Roman Catholic; and for ate the tithes among the Catholics. The Bight Hop. evils with which it abounded, he lte* of only one Gentleman had omitted a material grievance io the remedy—a general commutation. 'That was no new tithe • systee4 arising out of the Charge leis* pine : principle ; it was one that had alresdy been acted the' raw produce 4 the latOck. Tins, according to on in the case of the ministers in trrus, by the Act flsolet,'hed 'caused the 'tithes to increase ; 'Aro of Clarks 11., under which Comminsiouers were 01' _ _illy years in one district ; to treble the value, where the land had only increased one.fnurth—or twelve times less than the incressed value of the lands. He denied the astertion that the exaction of litigh feats disabled the payment of ;kites.— Though no doubt, in many instances, landlords would advance their rent% to is I. endeavour to get the most they Coold, it was not to tis soppowtd that they Were in general so 'void or 7filer as ao exact such high rents as must, 6i itseir oppresaite 04frcps on the tenants, ultimately ruin their own aippests. The lltisibt . Hon. geutirman had slated, , . . . thetitere Melded shwas me poor people in Irehind W *epee' of eitehiletitiori thiit iniliaccilikew to !toy _ inch ..oases poiuted by the Privy Couned to . effect a valosbon of every house end other property iu the respective parishes, accerdiog to which the dues of the minis. ten were apportioned, and such valuation was held to be bidding. Why, he would ask, might not a similar mode of proceeding be adopted with regard to the tithes in 'he country ? File deprecated the odoption by the House of any treasure which might ham the effect of inducing a hellif that the,' had applied t-remedy, when in fact no renirily would be applied. Believing 'as he did that the lament prepaid offered no rented? to the evil knowing'ilint in those c`ases•where a similar provision alrtudy existed, it bad cilber 'nem been acted on, xt 4 Nl* • - • ••••. or proved intr.-ma i l. h e w ,,, g i golo to be aidiej in lolling,. the Home gad the Country iiitei the belief that this memoir. 'Would afoul any remedy. It would be far better therefore to wilt until on . a: -: .• .... • •..10,. • • • • • , ' ' '-'- 1 -; • ...4. 1 .........a0, .., ,e ,-... , , ~ Consider of ouch I' a remedy, thew to urn.* meosttre, crude and indigesterl as !her ' 'eh would not touch the evil. •He.should ly kith is oppoe the introduction of e which he theologist might be 'tirade IT the removal of the evil fur which it was Provide; and if he conceive , ' that the Right How, Gentleman eauld 'fie in A to be made available to that objeCt.lie ready to concur in it, Apt hailid not think it possible that it cf tila•kte•olllo(4rds or lest li oi et il"4o y measure which caold .he adopted 14 evil,.it it woe founded on or adhered to the principle ofshotaing of tithes. The Right Jinn. Gentleman said, th a t hi s Bill would not itatid in the way of any general plan of coiippptistpati; but it did so, by irroctoeing au iturroom• that a remedy pros already *plaited. It would be pleaded next year against any further proposal that might be twonght foil/serif; tostl.thereby they would be placed tinder the necessity of wititing for some TeSr• longer, and witnessing the confirmation of the effects of that yystern by which lreland had so long beeu harassed utalMisturbed. Mr. Ptonkkry said the House would no doubt recollect the call that had been medrat the ',pro log of the Session, sod the warmth and earnestness With which it had been urged on the Government of !retold, to bring forietirtl some measure to ameliorate the tithe intent, 'which it .was stated was prettying so sertiely on the country. In con sfq.oetwe Of Altai appeal, and 01 th; manner in which it .had•laren orgelf. the Government of that country had applied its whole attention to the sub ject, and after the fullest consideration itt their power to give it, this measure opperared to.be the best they were able to propose. He thought, there , fore, that there pas a departore from the toual courtesy shewn on spiel) occasions. in rofusing to the Rill the formality of a first reading, iu order that the House might be put iii full poasesporkof its details. His Right Hon. Friend (44 J. New port) opposed the 13i I. because he Ned it would 101 l the House ant! 1 • ooOtis to 'opt ,#poo tile giSubject. If 'it riget ' Ike .geipoind of tbooe evils growing out of the "MOs which *gaoled the country, it ought to !have the eli!ect which his Right Honoorgblw -Priests! autitipated ; b ait if it did not prove an e ffi cient measure, as his Right HonourobliFriind said it would not, then it nei ther ought nor would it lull ' the feelings of the House and the country on the subject. Notwith standing the arguments of his Right Honourable Friend, he was confident it would not stand in the w ay of 111 1 general measure of commutation ; but would rather facilitate that object by its effect is ascertaining the valpe pl the lithe. in the several diwrieis: flisklglititooparsble Friend had said there was AO difileully in ibd way of "a general commutation. If be eeneld 'thew aey plan that Wei it of prrctirahle, safe, and euntistent With those inkwell, *lnch must be proterted, it should not oily wirel with no opposition from him (Mr. P.), but It should here hi. cyclist support. The Govern ment were not to heldamed ler pet Iscitig able to propusestach a Plan, because they 'had sot been able to discover arty such; •itif he should be'dio4lying the House if he allowed any opinion to be euteriniocal,ihat he had the smallest hope that any aside plan could be foend. The first objection which Lo 'restliciplted to any such plan, would be—as to the mode of assiring the amount of the composition. The property in 'AM must be desalt with on the trove princi ple as all otber property, and he was sure hii Right Ho nourable Friend would nut Wish to deal with it otherwise.— He should be glad then to are any plan regulated by that principle, that would be es pimple in its operation as his Right Hon. Friend supposed. The •aluation in the firm place in bipd, meat be formed upon the actual value of the titlitei,• bed WM upon the rim paid. Now he would veolusi so assert, and if requisite would undertake to prove, litht 'What hail hitherto been received ansisented much scare to one-tweetielli than to one-tenth of the produce of the country. The Aso erect if such a me.aaie, therefore, inlaid he to double the amount that had hitherto been•pitri ;' fur. If they compelled the clergy so tate a commutation, he would say that they must rive them a commutatiun (minded on what they had a right its receive, and not on whet ,lbey bed menially received. On what principle coulil they apkipt say compulsory m ió whirls propm ty was ronce i reid, unlesis it were founded on the priociPle of right! Tlie4e was so other, no:eis the cleric,' wire to be compelled to ontiehrier a part of their right to those who sought to ease ilitonsellves of the obligation to pay the full amount or their tithes; lead if ear* that convenient principle were acted (1114. f !RIMY( to the discretion of those Oho were to pay the amount of itilies which they should be called on to discharge, he .yarned the House and the country that it would eel eed there. The evil would soon over take the landlord's; the rents woutd soup follow the tithes.' The first milikei of complaint, in ell the disturbances that took place its Ireland, was the tuber, but it was never lent; in reaching the rents oho. The grievance began with the clergyman, but it always ended with the landlord—(Hear, liesel--He was sure that every man who had bad any ripper. loopy of observing the rise and progress of the disturbances, and tracing their causes, knee that the tithes were no more in questiou than the scuts. His Right Honourably Friend had said, that disturbances prevailed in those places where Ilse tithe on potatoes was exacted, while other place., where that tithe Iris unknown, remained perfectly tranquil; sod therefore he it.gued that the potato tithe was the cause of the disturbances. Bet be would try the strength of that argument by suotbee, founded on the reverse. In the year 1 . 820, the four countie. of Mayo, Roscommon, Galway, and Sliest, were in such a distils bed state aa to be placed under the operation of the lasurrection Act. There was no tithe on potatoes exacted • ia theise•eoinsties, and at the same period all the other counties, eve, Hume where the potato tithe was collected, were free from disturbance. Could it from thence be inferred that the cause of the disturb. eat state of the four castanet' he bad mentioned was to be found in the absence of the potato tithe ? He would therefore oppose his testimony us to the cause of the disturbances to that of his Right lion. Friend. It was said that this Rill would not be 'Schen, because wberethe power of leasing already tai-red it was nut acted on. That was one of the inconveniences of arguing on a measure before the House was in possession ails +lentils. It would have been found on an inspeetion of the Bill, that it nut only enabled the clergy to lease their tithes, but it gave such advantages to the party, so would act as a moral compulsion to the exercise of that piker. It would also remove tore of the greatest inro/3 , e0 , of which his Right lion. Friend com plained, namely, th.t of the etergyutan having to deal with the poor occupant of lend professing a different religion, who felt it a hardship to be obliged to pay tithes to a aurch to whirl, be did soot belong. He wished to guard spinet soy thing w:oeit be might say that night being con. 'trued ono a general and unmerited censure upon the laudlords of heisted generally. He was sure there were no men as a body more respectable, more just, or who had a truer sense of what the circumstances of the country required of them. Rut he slid assure the Howie, that the demands for rent were found to press heavier on the poor people of Ireland, than the exaction by the clergy of that whirls as their dim they had a right to claim. There were lambi that were made " tithe-free; and the result was, that Hie difference or enema of mut exacted by the landlord fur such lands uu that accusal was on ao ge • -• _ sr oust nearly fiptar fiasco Ili levied for lightyl. go il4lne,ovs.'y ~a• drat tort, .bil if v o n ihr ren• slant sislijeti of 44snu s; the hit.11..r.1 Irislilug Ihr leiia.,l le lake (Pr land I trt . e, at an itirreare of rent, learns 4 him In mettle am • etereato• ll or his po.re.bf ; and the ....,,. • . clergy woal4 willingly 'wog( t► goontefi itotelimipttnqww. Even aamiiiing the feel, he Anil.) not feel 111111Mleta to I fenwiply with the wnshris of eny portion of the clergy. ci the expeni.e of eionprotnisios she iplerefle Abe Altltes_itgmls ewinhliehmersl. Mr. S. RICE mid, bit all the hopes bes had hitherto en. tertained of a emigres -tiny measure for the emelmestion of the tithe system, were new Overthrown. Far what Irish Geetlemnis, who hi d heard the opinion of the Altueury.Ge. urral of let:land, could say the ,he eetertaired espy tendon. able expectation of any genera/ inerauee being offered by the Government. The Right a.. the A ! ,.„ 1 . 5 .pe,.....1 had asked, what better plats ilt;:y (the Oppositims) ha I tu propose? 'the fair 'newer to ruck a litiptl4lll would be, that it was the province of .Government tu propose plans. and thit it was • snakiest objection or ,their met, if a plass to proposed was int:Niro air its object. Alibis% be asked, what full sad fair mea s ure of emptititetion, they were peers:ed to give fur the whole anoint of the SAM ? If the clergy pet in their claim :for the Gill Pea' piietien of the tither, ler (Mr. M. Rim) Irma alb orthein in return to perforni a frill share of theryedMiei. coMliaera lion of which those tithes were orielealt y . beittowed--(/leae, hoar )—The Attorney-General of Ireland, with his annmand• sue talents and great legal knowledge, knew' MI well thst it was nut • viaion of which lie spoke, when he Mel:limied the fourfold division of the tithes—fair the repair of the church, for the bishop, and aboee foe the maintenance of the poor ; mid lastly foe the support of the pan.chial clergy. He visa sure that there was as meth anxiety on the part or the parochial clergy o f Ireland generally as on 'het of his friends, to meet the measure of vegetal commutetirm. He called, therefore, on the Go vernment to investigate the subject, and to imitate whether such a measure might not he practicable. If it were an, it ought to be adopted to trate,e the peace of the country; for be was sure would agree, that on the principle enteral ensre. lawn) of tithes, more than on any other, the peace mid happiness of the people of Ireland depended. The use monocled, he declared, would be inefficient ; 124e411111P, as his Right Hon. Friend had stated, it had been already tried and found wanting. If the Right Hoe. Gentleman (sir. Goal burn) were really disposed to assent to the future introduction of • measure of general commutation, would .11e consent to the sppointmesit of a Commission to investigate the whole of the system, and to say how far it was practicahle,or otherwise. The late Mr. Perceval, oat a motion of • (sited of his (Mr. S R.) on thie subject, said, he was happy le inform the Mouse that the subject of the Irish tithes was then under emisideriann, and be hoped to be metered with a measure relating to it in the next Session. Session after Memino however had pulsed away, and Secretary had ancereded,Se. tretarY—an, i.e believed, with the hest intentions; but thif had fiend the subject ao hampered with difficul t*, that they abandoned it in despair. 'Aid he was Odle sore that unless some gentle violence were used with the Govern:neut. however well dispersed it might be, it never Would be able to carry any missies of that met into effect. It was in vain for the Irish Members, unless they did vied a Mlle of that gentle violence, to say that this or that ought to be done. If they ;Alerted at ale, they must be contieced that some general measure was necessary; and if they did feel it iu be 50. no motive or feeling of a political nature whatever ought to 'adore them to relarfrenta enforcintit. If this Bill was eslculated it hie opinion in remedy the evil, no Gentl eman opp o site could more heartily join iu supportin g it than hinsterf. But it was *cause be material:fed the fullest conviction (gat it win oot on elfictret measure, tool that so oilier could be pubetlinted which would rot better answer the purpose, that he opposed it. Mr. D. BROWNS said, that the subject of tithes in Ireland had for the last fifty years within his memory involved the country in disturb-ince. fl'ithout goiegintoputieulars, with out attemptiog to say who was right or who was wrong, he would sty (list the tithe system e as the chief cause of all the diets:chances In Ireland; and that he thought should weigh with the Honor and the G :vermeil to pminote as investigation, with • view to the discovery din efficient re medy. The country mem could he tranquil while that els. tens existed. He thought the present Bill would relieve the evil its some degree, and therefore be should agree to it. He did not, however, think a fell cure could be found in any measure short or . general commutation, and he hoped that womb( be at leeeth accomplished. Mr. DAWSUN returned his thanks to the Right Hon. Gentlemen (Mr. Goullrurn) for the cool, sincere, and dis passionate manner its which he bad brought the subject for. ward, and concurred in hie proposal ma laying the foundation f.le a Paeral commutation. He thought that the whole cell of the tubes arose from the law of agistment. The modern. tiara pf the clergy in the collection was exemplary, sad he wits ghat° have an opportouityof expressing his opinion, as many aspersions had .ten tlifoeit on them, 'bat the clergy of Ireland were in every respect equal to the clergy of this country. Mc. SPRING RICE explained. Mr. ISGAA DY raid, that with all the alteation which he had been able to give to the 'abject, he could come to no other opinion their that the tithe system was p great carte of the disterbauces; and Omagh he did •ut tisiuk the Hill would do all, yet It weoltreffeet eoniethieg—and, as such, it shoildte hie support; but be would oppose any coin mutat:oh kis should have the effect of gyring a greater income be *Velem, time they already had, which, iu leis "MO alti" 1 " • was no w too large. The Honourable Menden.' ettaimersteil the hiseilehips to which the farmer was iexPriecria Wens if any titigalion or dispute with the eiereiy. 7 44 sammary remedy was a great grievaace, for tporglt the clergy were nee allowed to sit as judges its 'their over ewe. yet their frjeeds and relations wiipbt, and' frequently did sit by invitation ; awl thus the administration of jostler in Ireland wea brought tuto cat tempt, and the children of the farmer aggrieved by it were nurtured in eentimeuts of that kxil, watch led them ulti mately to recruit those bands which were.aceo to exist is the mountains of the south of Ireland. Be believed there was not a county of leelend, which paid the tithes of potatoes, that a Speelsi Consosission for the trial of White Mil offeacea had nut gone into since the Union. It was somewhat re 'linkable that in Ireland the progress of eultivelion and if discontent had been co.extetierve. it did area te kiss slat the nisi,' tautly( distuybeoce there was the tithes, and that something ought to be done to redeem that gri The Marquis of LONDONDERRY begged to fecal the attention of the House to the questiou before them. His Right Holt. Friend had felt himself called upon to eater somewhat at large upon the sabjrct, but he had not pro (emelt to have made up , his mind to any general measure, and was ready to receive the suggedions or auy Hon. hlenther on the question; this, therefore, was not he thought the proper stage for any extended debate on the general eutsject. He should be unwilling to go into any diseussioe which should pledge his own mind to say cuuclusion, es he, like his Right Hots. Friend, was anxious to keep himself free from soy pre mature decisive. He could 1101 join in the expreeston of satisfaction expressed by the Honourable Baronet (Sir Henry Parnell) at the downfall of the tithe system in the other countries of Europe; 1.01 lie was satisfied that the House, is giving this Bill to Ireland, would be giving a great boot. •to that country. He deprecated any premature discussion ou the commutation of tithes, though it had beeu treated by the Hon. Baronet as if the question of com mutation could be as °may settled as the purchase of • quitter of wheal. lie had not understood his Richt lion. Friend to hay- named any particular measure as to which lie had made up his mind. Ile had declared that he would treat he if (d w i ronb: pro p e r ty ) o r s vialounofti. should be property tremble eh tr u e r a e t t o d f o ro a n o n nr the i a n t adh sam e y i e r o d e t u t a ne l : p t .( i r f h i mu n e e a c t i(jel:Le:Riett_ fondue — (He ar (Lord a s La .1, 1 A r i e t : lues'i d heir)—he therefore hoped the House would keep the whole question of COMMailliOa open fur future consideration, and if his Right Hon. Friend could not satisfy his own mind as to any system of commutation, either permissive or compulsory, he would place himself in the position to inform the House what were the means which pies:gated his coming to any conclusion. At the same time, as be observed before, his Right Hue. Friend was • i IT people ft tidier that t results, and 1 It would be .. .1 Wit f r 50910 r ra. Mouth. to Cu red As fiat restore ; hut Aer, and rhit love that ef- I r 'be rarrernel) chauce was : auy saeastue ward to pro- ! phcable to ili A quite sure : intended to 'm ai hid A Bill of the I p e a hy . sh en . modified as i he least pos. I should he re 4 . •1.... I. :a _ , . • ready to reeplite any eaggeitiano open the etil t ieet, Ih,t i L e hoped they eulld not be drawu fr.la steespaprrs, ur We ru prnweratiONe leld.s Her H PAlth ELL espleined. M43tCHINSON stint It was with reit.: • • - ; a. 11 .pect. (ht this occasion lie waesakiaryo w A to give the Mi•isters leave to bring 111 10.• . lllll commit, tug himself to support the meas.., to oppose the commutation of tithes. He culiceve2 this oue a ,twerimmacensesit on the part o f 31iiiirtils to wilt, tie ha I ages called upon them to do—ln take the male of Ir• lam' tats trim suleratsuu . If he understood Ihr N,,1,1, Lord arughl, Ilse isp Mimi "sold, if the R.II pe:scd, 1011 run. sidle tier eVel, 'hitt bad been dune which ought to be Ouse gin the quirstion of. tithes; that, in short, this WlOl a prieNy snit nut • Real measure. He begged leave to remota the NoSle Lord airplane that Is the discuestoos which 1... iv utter In Heat Hasse iipho the subject of the Union. Alt. Pot blinded S. the aubject of tithes as one of th 11110.vo of .1 ("laud, mut he hoped the Noble Lora would sett th It derlaration of Mr. Pitt slip from his memory. AINCAREW leas 14 favour of a committal's.' of Altiset. . Mr. ll,i,l t Y deprecated the idea that the perusal IMI wae set •tiar)i ow Hie clergy. qt.. lf. CoLT.FIURSr usid he had no hrsitatios in raying, with a view be the trenitsillity of the errantry, a comaistarsusi of it'll," wsis seersite.y. He meant by comnsutattos &Yen astlestr eisivaleot to the clergy for the income which they possessed, mad he did other Hos. Qentlemen thej.nstiat to that uu 110 other principle would they legislate. lie thought the disturb meet were attributable to Ms tOira, out to life deity bet Jo the system. He could um attach any great value to the pi esent Rill, but he would sot withhold his Cl.l/1141C111 0 10. bp In, it.: et in, though he did out Walt it Would allele its oti:jei ts. Mr. FORTESCI: E •iipported the Mr. OKA A DY raplamed. RICHARD MARTIN said be should be happy lo consent to obi ("Mllllll* [ion of tithes ; and he sho u ld pre f er such a propiattio n t o th e B i ll uow be fore them. Horres as , he should support the pre/out Bill in all its stages. Colonel VI/ROE said he should support the Bill of hit Right Hon. 'Mend (Mr. Goulburn) as a stepping Stone to some amsionariii• of the system of tithes in 'Wand. The question was tbeu put and carried without a dirisios. Lease was nceordingly grimed to briug IU the dill, and a c..ininitt-e appointed for that purpose. M.. GOO LRURN moved that au humble Adder's be me. sented to his Majesty, praying that he cuspid be graciously Weevil to order that thevd should he hod b.-fore the House a e,ipy of a letter addressed by the Chief Baron of Ireland to Won. Gregory, F.m. sootier to Courts of Justice is Irelaud. Mr D'GRA DY said, he was mimeo that that letter should be laid before the House, mad placed in the hoods of Meinheis as Bonn as pastille. He could ;saute the House that the Chief SSW° had /use no time its preparing his reply to the Report of the Commisairmers. On *motion of the CHANCELLOR of the UCH& QU'Ell, the House went ist• • Committre Sits th e N ava l sa d Military Peasious. Some sew glories were proposed acid sgrreia Mr. IllU)tE 901 he could Mt consent to let that *abject pais wittiest militia toteriri .hts autumn ' , mfrs. WWII tint ritticulttaimlap of Ole Ch. .grliar of the E‘ciargostr• The litriaars t. a tfroacietlTto be rrcrived so-sierlow. 'Mosher Oitiersid Mr ,Day sere 10.-arisposed of, and the Hotta attimittattl at lkliaNtast Eleven u'ul.cit. FOREIGN INtELLIGENCE. PASO PAPERS. PARTE, JUNE 10. ANSIVE,R OF THE EH g; Tp THE ADDItLis or THE CH AVOSIi OF PEERS. A‘ I am deeply affected with the aerellnieuts caracole , ' to wards me by she Chamber of Peers; I feel very great sati.fsc- Hon at their eagerness to answer the appeal which I made to *opt, aid stt the oisanimoos agreement which prevailed in their deliberatiorn. It i. by Intel, concord that we shall twe eted is dulls's( the elrosts suf malevolerier—effirts which ..1% erpr be so no purpose. It is with she moat sincere pleasure ,s t il infuses the Chamber, that I have teressed, since the Irmo low of the Session, imelbgeuee which mummifies.' that pear. 'mill out be distasbed in she Ead I fed a lively satisfm lieu iu impartiug • hoots/ledge of this fart." The ship Le Nnstois, which recently arrived at Boordesag from "be late of Boisebon, brought letters dated is Erb:No.7, contaising altketior intelligence respecting be expedition from klidagascar. A corvette sent from that island to Bour bon fur succour for the Governor of the colony, brought the following details:—(tat of 'lllt individuate, composing the pm/owed of the expedition, there were, at the departure Al the corvette, 37 dead and 167 sick, only eight remaining t 6 good health. The ship Le Nantois has also brought wry alarming se. counts impaling a• instil rectiu• of the blvehs, had broken out at Ilse Isle of Frasier. These ecconute, huervri, add, that it bad been rrpreased by the energy and prompt,- lade of the ;nemeses adopted by the young Creoles of the Nand, bat the coaseqoenees mere dreaded. wunlJ he highly desirable fur the Colonials themerlve. to (eel the ar cesvity of subjeeiingllveir immediate wulrala hit thew can preeersatioa, by the rigorous rxersitioa of the laws prohibit. leg the Wave Trade, for this infanivois traffic op!) . rocremys every day the dangers which menace the Colonies, by esAS• mewing the strength of a population Thigh already so Ma patient', iiiiiijorts lb , yoke of slivery. The Aulte'de Sian Carlos, Grandee of Spain, who has rt aided at hOttedeoes fur about s year, set oat on the sth fur Lyt,tig. french Fonds—Five per Cello. opened et 92 f. f_ OF ; bithro, 92 f. 30 c.; dos. ai c. ; Hank Stuck, 1,63ar, musr . _ EArlomge on London—One month,?Sc ; pope opoutl.e, f. c.—(Cours Authentivse, Jane 10.) SPAN ISII pArEas. CADIZ, MAT 2E% (tar Journal, the Rer lacier General, pulliipl34.2 varioes lenr 601111 0?ICRIORice,ideRial the err exiraos. MEXICO, FEBRUARY .29. This pimple is *km liberty was provoked OW! the deal sokasnittes s.d fashiossble phrase+, Ands itself the vietlin of the copeied of Ilorbide and kis followers, sod iodised is dieresis which it never before knew. The roared be been et length installed, giving its sanction to the faired plan of Iqusle; but every thing lndiratrs that the whole viii i.e.., vasials is smoke. The first steps have been cooties. d to ns, , ' very dtsadeeable altercations. kits Hirh.ess not 1.. 1, " tG pannoies which be in known to poierain. oceortei! the mistake of the President Odour;.., the Litthest swot ; hot the error (*log discovered, several Depot id priori frit, which w tie orlgin of the discord which is approaching. ItsiMtk Ise sent a letter to the Congress, in which he desires that the place maybe assigned him which be is to occupy, "Ph" he is present as General in Chief and Liberstoe of the country, which be has raised fin. the rank of a colony to that of an iudepenileat nation. What mot re , t , is a remi 1111 l ranee that it is to be presented todnotto• • A parcel of naked wretches, who are called an army, and 3 swarm of civil officers demand their pay, which has &I'll iollg in s , re short this is a most infernal confusion. said Nagrete will enter tomorrow, will 700 horse. and things en on, it is probable that a costribation will be levied to support them. HAVANNA/I. APRIL 15. Asn's ovine* lave takes the Spsaiih brigantine Ra messelio with swore than I P .I/0 serous of Infitru. 'Jur 184 4 arvoissita Cron Vera Crud are In the 141 h alt ; but ar ea't for the arrival of various vessels which erre to usil boon Vera Crus. 'They will satisfy oar *patience 14.51)(1.11.g the latest oeearresers in that Kinga.sru ; i, as ,, srlo l on !owl andourity, that there is an upen breach 14” , r en lturbide and the . Con*resio, Fur this irs•sin it has said, and we bare grounds not to doubt is, that Ifni Chin, estraidering hisiself as wedeue, has resiilseJ lu consult • ,1 " Getters! Cries I. the part which prudence dirtsle• to ho' is this ditileitll sheltie., and that by the advice of Cruz h; has catered isle a *ierrespeadeacs with tlie Commanders "VI I!