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i , P I .. . I aadmierF4 • disliagiblor A l viele TaCIP• t o ile dm ,. 'which uoilr , WA Meta fir political libatielet pia bet vas .. • . . . • , lotio 4 wore token of the tenant if the reedit lee eirChehaiefte :Creel lied iglraefs *IAA" tad Mirbeie", we ibe'ela made it profitable, notwithstanding the lectern'. ealitaties.tmrserally las *Wm liberty W. 15 retest ffeti . OdUlly OW . Nun as to the law on this subject • these lordships Mode& thqse who agitated psblie attire, the people pretty iell ontleatand it whin he informed thee they we ti s i pro stras of istemisioable %lavers. if we looked to it was a practice to give no to the cldigyeele of Oda too* mate*, aadrarticolsrle to that musky where illy on which it was intended to set out ISttftbes. Bar gelitlcaL was tarried to a greater decree of r 6 if there. gave notice fur the same day it was held to be good 1 eneineet than any country in the world, he meant the proof of a conspiracy. He was nut prepared to say if this - United Silica of Jasserka, we should find that the 1114SIO of 1 • 04 e Of were not essentialil to the colteetion urethra. Either the people were in absolute slavery. The came principle the law was noomessary, and therefore &tremble, or I would hold good in a greater or I degree in me, the 'morns wee detestable to require suet, a lee. Out of ; Mous states in Europe, and under whatever (urn bowl -1 hat alternative they costa net escape—Slav law or the system, j age ripLl appear, the stale of things he had described would or both. must he Micelles's, elk/minable, soil tyrauMeal. ; be found ruder the omit free as well as nailer the NOM Ile did not charge the clergymen wish niacin any use attest . despotic Governments: from whence he infra' d that the law—they were generally tau liberal and generates is reform, , peculiar condition of soy country must he considered by the it ; hot they were to minfider the laws and the probabilities relation in which that clam of the community stood who lam they would be called. into play. In addrtion to all the laboured for subsistcoce, towarda those who enjumd the pro. other grievances, the tithe WIWI moot unequally raised. Some perty of the country; and if they examined fairly they emelt, 'dam paid the potato lithe—others did not ;in some. the find that mile-leutha of the diatiorbances which took place in '• • question of right was quite undetermined. Litigations particular coatitries arose, nut from hostility to the existing were constantly growing from the uncertainty of the Government, but from setae disorderlis society. The whole Claim—enforced in this Metauce, not from the produce of . history of Ireland confirmed this fact. With the exception t trm., but subtracted from the very soluistewe of labeler el the rebellion of 1798, when a conapiracy was formed to in the gardens. He could hardly conceive a bailee ere promote a rebellion, and to omelet • Freuch army which hail more desirable measure than tine fur the general comma. • •theit 'coded in Ireland. all the other in so ions in that tatimi of tithes. He had nothing to fear is stating this, ',milky were principally directed aesino property alone, from the adt utile) , of them on the principle of divine right; The Noble Marquis (Laasslown) hid alluded to his Ms.. hevanse, although there sere pamphlets published oat that ; key', agepiciumi visit to Ili-lend, and the beneficial ground riveoliere, there was no curb uoinion iemainiug with effect which had flowed from it. Their Lordship* their Lordship., or the retired bench of Spiritual Lords, were of course aware of the enthusiasm with will. h whom l i e rejoiced to we before him. Had there been amp 1 his Majesty was received, of the feeliugr to which it hail doubt upon the point, they had the best authority for deter. 1 given use, and the sentitueats it hail created; pot still it was mining it. The Bishops, at the time of the Reformation, I eomriously a matter of fact, tbat bis Majesry bad scarcely drew up an exposition of the doctrines of the Church, vibleli withdrawn from that country—nay, while hii feet were still was printed by order of Eli:al/rib, and published by her owe i upon its shoree—when the iumurrections begun ; yet (as had Printer. and ordered to be read in all churches and chapels. I been slated by a Nnble Friend of his), he had no doubt that In that exposition it was held, that " one of the greateet and if his Majesty bad arrived in the city of Limerick at the very grossest errors of the Church of Rome was the eifirmation of moment these disturbances were at their height in that theilivine right oftithes." Whatever might be claimed for them neighbourhood, lie wuuld have been welcomed wills the same on the ground of expediency, the ground of divine right was I enthusiasm as in the metropolis. There was not • single sorreerlered. .He did rot deny tithes the saute protection i hand-bill circulated in Ireland, or placard, in which there i lie h was given to all other property. They bad dealt with it was an expression of discontent against the Goverurneut, se Infirm., and always would deal with it in the must cautions I that the insurrectios was entirely levelled at property. He 1113110er ; the intervals of the church were coucerned in it, I could assure their Lordships.thei he did not make this slate. Lot not the general interests of the community. He Is- I meat with satisfaction; fur a the evils arose out of the nos. limited to shew how that property, might be enjoyed in • management of Government, a remedy might be applied, monster not out, homeless in itaelf, but with benefit to those which could uot be found fur • state of (blues so compli. iimiected wish the payment of it. He intended to keep to rated as the state of Ireland. it was a curious fact, that if three points: one, no principle of commutation hut such we examined the three different parts of the United Kingdom, -is lie would be glad to accept were he a tithe proprietor; uo one would say that, in point of interual economy and too, he would nut propeee any thing which would decrease I national prosperity, fkoiland was inferior to the other two, the means of respectehility fer the clergy; thirdly, he yet popular principles prevailed Ma much kw extent there. orepose nothing dim would make the clergy Mlle, she. i la Scotland they had very little of what was called popular pendant on the Crown—were it to hie pewee he would make I representation, whereas the popular representation of Ireland item more independent of the Crown thin at foment. He I far exceeded that of England. A Noble Lord in another place, aireeested an expedient of commutation on (holies of same of great connexions, diatingnished talents, and highrespecta •lsiea in Scut lend, which were regulated by a serum Jury se- Witty (land John Russell), had brought forwarda proposition coniiite, to the mine of core: he would prefer taking the to reform the represeotatioe. Hews glad that 03051511 et had oecraze of five or 'ix years for the basis. One groat advan. faded; but if it had succeeded, still that plan would nut sage in the cenimutatioa was, that of the laudlord paying have giveu to Esiglaud so popular a representation as that the clergyman ; which might he made still more beneficial of Ireland.—(Hear, Isere.)—Out of the 100 Members for by Pe.""ding a Power to emsble the landholder to acquit ate Ireland, 11l were returned fur counties, sod that too to the lands for a sufficielit coosiderntion uf the payment of tithes in must inconvenient mode, which amounted almost to snivel.. rerpeturte. by settling land ou the churches. This would be sal suffrage. Ireland then had soothing to complain of in inapplicable to England, and hi should be 'oily if ever the that respect, fur she eajoyed a contitutem more liberal than clergy became its that sense, to any considerable extent, the imagination of a bold and ardent patriot could wish to liociholdersi hot it was admirably suited to Ireland, and confer upon his own country—(Hear, bear.)—With respect the presence of the incumbent on his estate would do to the keit, !rebind enjoyed to the full extent the whole run hto •e order among his periabioners around him. principle of the law of England; she had the admidage of There wa. a precedent of it nut inauy years ago, wiles, um. the mei by jury to the same extent as in England, the same err an Eocloitare Bill, the parkhomers were enabled to aduiluistration of justice, our did he ever bear of complaist eerie:de an initiate for the elem.:maim at an expense of or suspicion on account of a dial:hence in religion. Asd • by which they ogle exonerated from the payment if the subject wee. examined by what he• cuusidered tom s rise evermore. He cou ld no t anticipate any rea r the fairest test, namely, the number of appeals, their minable objections to the principles he had laid dime or the Lordships would find there was no mason to suppose reition he had still to submit. He described some of the that justice was pot administered with the same purity oriel' defects and difficulties its the tithe awns of [Maud. its the King's Courts in Dublin as in England.-..: her other mihject he would mention before he sat down—tie That view of the subject naturally led bim to the ewe& grooreirce fill by the Catholic popialetiou in having to pay deretiou that at was tint from disloyalty to the Crown ' s'. e.tids Pretestaut churches ehieh they never catered. A new from a desire to reform the Parliament, not from a love of • s 4 stti.rn of saul to have been attempted,wi lb those changes by which great bodies of people its this coon. o view to rebuilding some 01 the churches, and to relieve the fry were agitated in moments of distress, that the late die. r oishionersfrom ilie ie a ten the capital speut Mauch buil& tochauces to Ireland had arises. He now wished to advert Pug. Government het) remitted fur a time the whole claim of to the topics ititruduced by the Noble Marquis. On the sob. f est-fruits in the reign of Qiieen Anne—they lied nut been re. ject of the burdens to which Ireland was subject, if their reseed since, and smelly yielded less now than they did at Lordships would take the matemeateof the Noble Marquis Mist period, as might he seen in the letter of Lord Gotha. en to the, increasing population of Ireland, its great fertility, phis to Swift, on the subject. He exhorted them to coosider and substantial wealth ; aad when they considered that Eng. of relieving the population from the pressure of the tithes, laud paid 51,000,0001. of taxes, whilst Ireland scarcely mai the clergy from the odium ..f the claim tad exectirio— paid fuse naillious, they could not suppose that the to make a provision for the ineumbent better calculated to burdens imposed upon Ireland were either excessive preserve agrteinesit cid concord between she Protestant or iiitoletable. The Noble Marquis had slated that clergyinsis and his Catholic pari-biotiera. He would next the revenue had considerably dimiumhed since the con touch tan the subject of his motion. If any Lord fill doubt elusion of war. He (Lord Liverpool) admitted that it was so, or hesitation either upon the recta, er the propositions for no country watered more than Ireland, in consequence grounded on them, let him convey himself in mind from of a diminution of expeuditure since the termination of peaceful and flourishing capital to a remote branch the war. No man acquainted with the. Mouth of Ireland 0!" that port of the empire ; let him limit at the din- could be ignorant that the principal distress arose frost nrcenixa tom of the community, and the lose of iudueuce the diminutive of supply, 'which first redeem) the riots, sad r on•equeut nn the loss of means, among the minima thin the reverme. But lie would ask, did nut England act I••••ieri,44 of the people; let Inns consider the sacrifice towards [Mend with the greatest liberality? Did not Estee vif all woe obligation—the systematic violation of the land take the weight of the debt of Ireland upos herbage and Isio-s--ti.e lope of an spiwal to the Si itiuuals, cot off us every institute provide for an indulgent, generour, and (be from all except is few individuals—• magistracy such as would say) a wise appropriation of her burdens? With re , lie had tieserihed —sari the meows of paying the tithe actor spenttotheExciseLaws,theywereundertheuwtwderaueo 4 'lli crippled by the procedure of the laws which eaurced a Commission appointed to examine into them, who were dm t!•eias; hr wool., ask *lambi r, in • state of society so dem. best competent to perform the ta,k, bemuse they were free chested—so absieloned by the law—so remote from all the from locator other prejudices. The Noble Marquis had ahead adrautages which resulted irons the capability of seeking ed with great delicacy to the subject of abaenteeship, anathema redrew to the Courts—where uumbers were propagating ever, from an interesting speculation for political efts& equally dangerous in their physical force and their habitual mists to consider whether it was the same thing fm a comma violation of moral eleigaiimaii, could they hesitate to do all try that the profits of it. produce should be spent either in their power te prevent that which Levi Bacon had so pro. at home or abroad, he (Lord Liverpool) should...it , uotbing plooteally dreaded, that " Ireland cuvilisrd might become shunt it ; for there was a paramount missideration of such mote d ttttt uus also Ireland savage I u (either. magnitude as threw that part of she subject entirely into the mice of this view be would propose his Its-solution. shadt—he meant the mural effect it prodnced.—(Hear, hear.) ftluet f Ily slid he hove fur the success of it; that the —The Noble Marquis had staled that the wet of Govern. • of the Monarch to that (tawny might not be lust for mead being in this country, it was eaters! enough thee e'er that the splendour of 'lime hopes excited by his Ma. persons of large property should reside Isere in preference to j..sty having fur the first time touched Ireland with his foot more remote parts of the country. But what would they wield nut be dissipated in gloom; and that all the interests say of Scotland, which was jest as remote as Ireland, but tai the country tweet be equally administered fur the general where the same evil did slot exist? With respect to the Ma good. He moved— gtatracy, be could stale to the House that the reform of that That it is the opinion of this House that the state of body at proem actually employed she consideration of the Leland immediately rrquires alteration, with a view to 111/- Noble Lord who held the tate of Lord Chiscellor of Ire. pie,' the condition of the people, and adopt measures cape. laud. But it was a subject of extreme delicacy, in winch the eally to ironre tranquillity." utmost caution must he übsensti, on account of the party and The E oil of LI VEK POO I, said he felt the full importance faction which prevailed ; for it required a sound di ieo of the question which war under their Lordships cuusidera. to determine in what case a Magistrate should be dismissed son, cud slut importauce bail been coneideeably augmented withuut it charge preferredsgainst iiimaind whether there were 11 lice lair soil csudel eii I able meaner in which it had beets euffictent pram( of hie incompetence. He believed that In trea.ed by the Noble alwilitis who had iittrinliiced it to the the adminiatratioa of justice between Catholics 11061 Protest. Moor —(Hear. he ara —tie coula .sere their taridahips that mos, these had been oat ill/illinfllols% made to the disfavour be apprieclicil tbia discussion of the various weirs alluded of the Catkulic. Hr was sure that if an Meatier of that air by the Noble Marquis with a fell timire to omit all ex. kind were disc o vered, th e re w as no N o bl e Lord at the head Vrsueous matters, which could only aggravate the mils of u( the Irish Arinnuisicatioa that would not make a severe stork they complained. And if he opposed the resolution ample of this individual so uffeoding —(Hear, hewn—The which bad been submitted, it arose front a feelifig that that Noble Marquis had Slot alluded to the new measures ht Vesulutiou was unnecessary, and that it went to imply a tea- progress Ito altering the Grand Jury presentments, end His sore out the Government, end particularly un Ite Noble Lord et gelation of the Sheriffs. Unfortunately each was the Ma. •1 the had of the IrOb Ailminoirattow. Bet he would wise (lotion of Ireland, that it was necessary to look for new the Rouse to look a hale to the state of Ireland, for in order principles to apply to it. Let than look to the condition of e• apply a protrir remedy it was necessary to ascertain the Scutlaud before the introduction of the hereditablejerisdie. seal distorter. And pet baps the great reason why the con- Mous, and any if it was not more unfortunate than Ireland et shill'', of Iri lam, had nut ben before this ameliorated was, present, sad he had so doubt that ifarsistanee were gives by the. that the real cause of the mini had ivies mistakes; fur it residest acuity in Iceland, the measures which bad bee° lately •liveya W 45 the ietsre-t of factiue (and he begged to state proposed would affect, after auntie time., 111/farelaiVe ILK* that he dud is et allude to any bluing which had been said or 'titration in that country. The laws Male be obeyed by the atone by the Nulee Maseru-) to 'give a contrary direction to rich as well as the poor, and the higher oedema should be the those evils, and to endeavour to prove that they grew out Or eyesuf Gurenimeas,tu assist in carrying them into exerotion. (be Gueernment, or out of this or that Administration. But —(Hear, hear.)—He now came to the important topic of is was impossible to consider the state of Leland fairly wills. tithes. Os this eubject them was one point from *A hieb they eat exaniiiiiiig its real conslitiose and earainissiug what re. mast stale, without' reference to which all reasoning would ets ci it dall red from uglier parts of the respite. He had be mil., and 'het was that the right of tithes (he did rut takes the liberty of,ststiog on a forager uteasiou that to con• mean divine right) wee es mind a• the right by whitebait stilering all such questions as the present, Iwo comsat/motions pruprietur, perchaser, or inheritor of a property, enjoyed hie . eiust be borne in motel : Gist, whether the evil arose faum trussessicros. Bet even if the right of property were to the relation a which the Goverewient stood to ilk goverued; be estimated by this utility of bias who sejoved it, he pod secondly, sloth. rit ',msg . from the Stale is which would even then say Ow the modest clergy a n d Inland howdy itself wit* placed, mid the relation' its which the were as useful a lowly of sum as any in the community. hotly of tie people pool as compseed with those He cowidereil them as resident proprietors, who spent threw tilio possessed the property of the cuoutry, by these income ammo theme hoist whom it was derived Ile knew Ilse principles the whole state ed the world was to he that la many liastieseeo they did not receive isse.belf of their merktvied. If we looked,. back to these emir times does. Theis let their Lismielmps consider what email be Amused the studies of cur earl tb, - - • Y!". Ike effect of the mode of missesuistion propoolid. They said . . . . they were anxious Hi limit 'related aid improve ; and wing Jld limploppies la its impoverished add ~~ L ! h ' sterVing inhabitants? They proposed t h at, 'co b they formerly paid their tithe to the ri.sident clergyman who spent it amongst them, they should now pay it to a nea• reddest laudlord.—(Hear, beer.)—Therefore he had no doubt that the moment the 'object was fairly considered, there was no honourable miod that could doubt that tithes constituted as dound • right of property as any utber, end • perhaps was better exercised than any other. One of the great evils arising from the present system was the awbdivisims uf properly. lo this country if a clergyman received 4 0 1 a year, it would Perhaps be paid by 30 people ; bat in Ireland a clregyinati would enjoy an income of 4001. a year levied perhaps from 1,5011 persons. What was the remedy pro ponsd ? He said, let the proprietor pay the tithe and regu late with the farmer, sad the clergyman lease his tithe to the proprietor. The clergy would consent to that system, lona if any difficulty arose in the way of As executioe it tweet proceed from the proprietors. Oa the subject of corn. mutatine, he must any he never had seen any principle of which he could approve. Bet if the proprietors would con. went to the proposed srratgement, there would be an end to all the evils arising oat of a eubdivision of property, which its his opinion, more then any other (muse, tended to impede the progress of civilization; for he always found ohs' civil': ilium increased in proportion in this ronntry in proportion as property was less subdivided. He was not aware that there was say other topic to which he vliould advert. Several measures had been proposed to Parlientent which would come before their Lordships its proper dine. A ineasore had been introduced by a Right Honourable Friend of his, which it wis considered expedient to bring forward, not as the only measure which it was intended 'to de vise, but merely to try its temporary operation, whilst others of more importance were in preparation. Another subject had been isiteeluced relative to the police, on which a vs del of opinions were entertained, many of them erroneous, and whirl, priciest's) from an attachment to ancient eines, which, upon other occasions, they were anxious to remove. Before lie sat down, he felt it necessary to make an climates doe to remove any imputation that t h is motion might seem to cast upon the conduct of the Noble Lord at the head of the Irish Government, although he was fully disposed to give the Noble Marquis opposite credit bush fur the time be had chosen and tile talent with which he haul brought forward this motion. Their Lordships must be aware that in eunsequence of the noting of Parliament, the Lord Lieutenant was deprived of the valuable assistance of those who were connected with the Gordioneut, indepeudent of which, since be bad ondeutaken the Government of Ireland, the Martinis Wellesley had bees suffering from indisposition. He never knew a man who could bring the whole energies of his 'isnot more completely to the consideration of any rises lion, and he was the last MO io the world who would put his pen to a hasty or precipitate measure. He would look far acid deeply berme he gave an opinion; and whether that opinion might he right or wrong, it would, at least, he the result of the most mature judgment. Besides his natural capacity for such a subject, be brought to the consideration the strongest attachments to Irelandsee(Hear, hear )—lt was Cue country of his birth—in which he was first distinguished —trues which be came to this country—in which he had run his bright career. He returned wow to !related for the first time with all the dispositions of an bialunan, and with the puerensa determination that the loot act of his political life would be to confer a benefit on hie uative enuntry.—(Hear, bear.)—The Noble I.ord concluded by stating, that, erithout meaning any disrespect to the Noble Marquis, be felt it his duty to move the previous question. The Earl of LIMERICK said he considered the condos before their Lordships one of the most vital importance, and in the course which he maul to pursue, be begged to tally to disclaim all party views. He could not avoid feeling some surprise at hearing the Noble Earl who had jest sat duwu state that there was no necessity for the motion pro posed by his Noble Friend. But he was of opinion that every part of the speech of the Noble Marquis proved its necessity, and if the attention of Parliament had not been called before its separation to this importaat sub ject, he should augur the most lamemehle consequences. The evils of which they had now to complete del nut seise from the gentry of Indeed, for there were nu better landlords to be found; but the preseut Eaciee Laws were enough to barberise any conutry. He considered she present mode of exercising the elective franchise as productive of evil; for nothing tended more to excite a spirit uf paltry ambition, rind there was nothing he should more willingly reform. (Ja the subject of tithes he must say, that, he did out wish to deprive the church of their dam He was descended on both aides from olergy, and was as much attached as any man to the church establishment; but he thought that it •1111 the duty of their Lordships so consult the general good when it would not interfere with private loftiest's. Did be mean to adveriste spoliation of the church ? Certainly not. He Isnew• if be dil he should advocate su attack on his own. But he could support the proposition of the Noble Marquis without any view of that kind, which, instead of injuring the property of the church, would rather tend to inerenie it.--(Hear, hear.)—The Noble Earl had expressed his approbation of the plan of making the proprietor respon sible to the clergyman for his tithes. He, for our, never could consent Meech a measure. The Noble Lord concluded by espresaing bin determination to support the motion of the Nubia Marquis. luMinous, wad coitprdiensive itategiedit of the le * • cols who had introdoced this lingsdrtaet subject to limit Lordships' consideration, it would kW enace y fur MO aw ry enter very onsasittly into the question. Sonsiethiug„ ever, it was necessary for him to say iodefesace of the Nokia Lord at the head of the Irish Government. He was ex• tremely surprised at the mode in which the proposition eras met by the Noble Eifel opposite, fw be never recollected to have heard, either there or elsewhere, a speech so wholly devoid of party.—(Hear, hear.)—lt did not mullein one single sentiment that could indicate to *bat .party the. Noble Marquis belouged.—(Hebr, bear, heitr.)fle could slut, of course, be supposed witf.lly to Misrepresent the Noble Earl opposite (Lord Lfeerpool), fur whom he esi• tenanted the highest and most just leapt-es; but be con fessed tint his speech did appear to hem like an answer to a strong party opposition speech, as if an week hail been made Opus: Ministers from his (Lord D.'•) side of the House, and that he (Lord Liverpool), as first Weimer of the Crown, felt it nereseery to put ass extinguisher on it. The Noble Earl bed stated, that this mulish implied a cell. sure on Government. la the first iastassee he denied the inference, but inisnitting it to be true, should that iiilltienee the Howie to nject it ? He rowidered the speech oY his Noble Friend sot an attack, but en unsuswercd—"l'llswer able statement. The Noble Earl bad also said, it was an attack on the bead of the Irish Goverenseet. He (Lord D.) felt as strongly as asp Iwo could do fur the diameter of entheiligiledlusitariou the s .... ln a d ra lvideal. He bad seen him at business, witnessed In any man gre*lntelirestakuleth,isgroethateer; pc " r i se l li :cra n n ey :, nor a more complete and entire absence of every feeling but that of a determination to do what was right. With little assivtance from those officially connected with the Govern ment, in consequence of the sitting of Paileameut, and Whet causes, all the weliy,ht devolved upon bin shoulders, nor did he shrink for one moment front the task, but performed his do. ties like Cu honest, firm, and resolute man.—(Hear, bear.)—• The Noble Earl seemed to be of opinion that it was to the Lord Lieittestant the country was to look for the remedy of all the evils. But did their Lordships see to what extent this argument might he carried ? At the conclusion of the government of the Marquis Wellesley, if any measure were incomplete, if • remedy had not been applied to any earn baler grievance, the Noble Lord would cry out, " Oh ! yod must leave all this to the Lord Lieutenant—will you at tempt to iuterfere ?—will you not give him time ? He (Lord D.) thought that time had not been given to the Mar. quit Wellesley. They might have known he would have made himself acquainted with every circumstance connected with the subject, before he proposed any measure. He had done too much in every situation in which be had been placed to risk his hie,' character fur the purpose of gratifying the in. considerate impatience of the public. He was too prudent to grope in the dark, he would sound the drum, be would take up the whole question, and wit proposition did came forward, they would find it would be a 'erasure worthy of a great inns or it never would proceed (ruin him. He (Lord D.) could not hope for soy benefit hula the Iwo mea ltimes which had stolen into Parlinuient at the rod of the 'ration. The public mind had been greatly agitated on Ike 'object of tithes. and strong expectations were entertained that something would have been proposed by Goverumeet in way of commutation. But lie must say that iu say thing which had been said by the Right Husourable Secretary for licked, or in any expressiuu which had Cahn from the Right Honourable and Learned Gentleman who bad supported him,, be could find nothing that gave the least encouragement to such a hope. They stated, cer. Mainly, that the subject was nut preciuded from consideration, but they would not hold forth the least expectation of such a proposition originating with them. With respect to the Magistracy, be must say that they were In • very bad state. The House was not acquainted with their conditiun. It was true the Lord Chancellor would not refuse, uuless he saw strong reasons, to appoint a Magistrate on the recom mendation of a Privy Counsellor. But why not take • general review of the Magistracy? He considered the Bill which hail been introduced for regulating the po. lice, to Bey the least of it, of a very objettionable racier. He felt that such a Bill would never be offer ed to an unoffended cuuntry. But, God knows, his country had been sunieiently intruded; bat. if this Bill should pass into a law. it would hr completely degraded, fur the old established Magiatrates of the counts . / wutaid be placed under • pensioned magistiacy.—(Hear, hear)—Now, admitting that such • system might be necessary its some parts of !reboot, why saddle the whole country with it? Vi'hy extend it to Ulster and Connaught ? He had no doubt that when Government brought in the Bill they ihueght they were acting well. No man of • contrieltensive wined could suppose they were doing much; but they seemed to feel that something was necessary to be done in the present Session, and they might as well bring in • Bill or two, which could do no harm. He perfectly agreed with the Noble Burl (Liverpool), that be was not aware any dm. tiactions had been made to the ammonia,/ of Mamatrates us the ground of religion. He had recommended several Romeo Catholic Gentlemen who were instantly appointed. He begged pardon of the House for having detained Owes so long, but he could not, cousistenily with bin own feelings, allow the giantism to puts without expreniug his - emulous upon it —(Hear, hear.) laird ELLEN BOROUGH did not wish to change the tone of the debate, fur which reason lie would out give louse to the whole impresaious on his mind. He wts of opium's that the motion made by the Noble Marquis (Lansilowu) might have been made at any time at the conquest of Irv. laud, or at the Union, for at tome of thuse times had the state of 'rebind been properly attended to by the Government •f this country, which wee a slur on the precut and all preceding Governments, for they did not ea:celiac into the true cause, which was the statute law of Ireland. How dif fer. lit the state of Ireland would be ifs nil lac motion hid been made at the Uition, and carried into elicit at ie'.t tits,-, fur 'ben they would have hail only to contend with a popu. lation of five minim's, whew now they had to cuoteud with • starving population of seven millions. He declared that in his opinion there could be no improvement to the state of Ireland under a Govirnment conetilui d as the element at as, i.e 1111111 all persons in Ireland were put in the same situa tion in the eye of the law; until then equal jostles could mot be done. The Noble Earl (Liverpool) bad told their Lordships that it was the bad state of society in Ireland, and not the Government, that had been the cause of the distress, and attempted to romper, the society with that of Scotland. He would ask the Noble Earl bad Scotland tithes, and she (her she had out strict justice, and whether the mass* of the people were oat of the pel• of the law's, which was the ease in 'relied The Noble Earl ought to have told them what was the state of Sertilartil whets she was con quered, and the measures taken by Englund to ameliorate their condition. The first thing that ass done was to send English judges into that country to distribute justice ; the consequence of which was, that in a few years the conquer. iug country land no ucca•ion to leave • single soldier to se cure her conquest. The Noble and Leatued Loud on the Woolsack said, that from the small uitmlier or appeal, which came from Ireland, he was COW/11/MI the people were sails. fled with the distribution of justice. It was 1101 the diet. i. button of justice between the rich that was complained of, but that between the rich and the pour where Magistrates were called on to decide. As to the commutation of tithes, the marlinem ought not to be fixed on what the clergyman says be is emitted to receive, but on what lie had been is the habit of receiving, as otherwise it would be the ruin of the proprietors of laud. Withuut commutation in the Bill in. troduced into the other House of Parliament WAS made cont. 'misery, it would be null. When a Petition was presented some time back by a Noble Duke (Devonshire) ou the sal,. ject of tithes both his Grace sod the Noble Marquis said they were ready to make every sacrifice fur any commutation. He klieg, a great estate ix the 'girth of Ireland where the proprietor of the laud was the imprupriator of the tithes, w here these was out a worst said about the latter; but in other parts of the country, where the tithes were in the hands of the clergymen, and the chief part of the pariehioners of an other religions persuasion, they felt the headship and iiijus tii.ceid o f se , T hi h s e o tob ß l i e lls E i a n r if l o ( d D u i c ot ed ou i g u l t i o nt t o b r e e) o l i ld House of Parliament did not proceed from the Executive of the Governmeut of Ireland, but from his Majesty's Govern. Mena herr. That was saying that the two Governments were distinct. Bet if beat any time had occasion to bring forward • motion to censure the eondoet of the Noble Marquis at the head order Irish Government, he would do or, tududiog the whole of hie !Majesty's Government. The LORD . CH A NCELLOR wished to say a few words as to the administration 01 - .IIIIMM As far as he was enabled to judge from the appeals which were before him, he saw no pretend of complaint. But he eery well knew bow *oilseed stood in that poetic-oiler. The number of appeals had been diminished of late years in consequence of the 'ego lat ion that the Chancellor should hear appeals three days iu the week. But since the passing of that regulation, and the shop was thrown open, the number of customers toed Mere aard. For eleven years before, the es timbres were 1116, and since the num hers were WA. A few days bark they were calculst.ng if their Lordships hid ordered the Cloriacellor to sit constantly until the appeals were all gone through, hi's/ many consecutive days would occupy ; and the calculation was, that for the Eng lish, Irish, and Welsh appeahr, fifty dale would be quite sufficiesit ; hut that the Scotch would occupy more than 400. —(A laugh.)—With respect le the question of tithes, he must say to reply to the Noble Lord who opened the d• bate, fur whom, in common with-every man tin the country, he en tertained the highest respect, that be considered it extremely strange that in his speech he should have denominated tithe ■s a tax sod impaled. With all due respect be would tell him that lie might as well apply the expreasion to the mere growth of his property. The Noble Lord on the truss bench (Lord Limerick) had stated that he would consent to in terfere with the properly of the church, although he could not allow an loterference with the proprietor. But he would tell that Needle Lord the law of the land was this, that when he purchased his property, lie only obtained a claim to nine -tenths, and the remaining one teeth was sn much the property of the church ■s the properly which be purchased. He felt it necessary to make line observations, and shonld not detain them longer. The Marquis of DOWNSH IRE said he was very much disappointed at the manner in which the corona had bees met by the Noble Earl. The proposition of his Noble Friend was clear awl simple. The great objection which was felt simian tithes was, that it operated as a ling upon all improvement. The Noble Earl had talked of the benefit of resideut clergymen, but he saw from the Report of the Committee ou the subject of tithes, that several parishes had been nuked, from which all the advantages of resi dence were destroyed. In one district of Iwo thousand acres, in a particular part of Ireland, the living of one clergyman extended over I,CII-4 acres. He eras well aware that the Noble Lord at Nee head of the Irish Govern ment had turned his attention to this subject, but he would meet the same difficulties as his predecessors had done, fur there was not a eciuntry is ohs world in *huh truth wan so hard to be elicited With reaped to the Police Bill which had beam introduced, he ronsidereil it extremely objection.- able, stud for the north of Ireland. be could speak front posi tive knowledge. that it would discourage senor of the most necelleese Magistrates, and indispose them for the exercise of their office, and he knew that the appoortment of a stipen diary magistracy WO4lllll ironer roue of them to withdraw from the commission. As fir the residence of great pro prietors in Ireland, he llnegM that whatever abstract opt. Mona might be entertained-.if they would only devote a Pal of their lime and income to the improvement mad en- Ceseragement of their ennetry, awl would employ iatelli gest and honotrable sweats, they weld soma see a dirceetat state of Hinge in The lad sf DONUGGH MOR said, that after the clear, .\ ( 1% faL •.46. in • • , : CSINTO II epalie la (hoar rf the ern: Kittlite, and said he world vele for the moti on o f **Noble. is. The WA CHANCECLOR did set deny that Parha- Shoat eterfevie in the sehjett of tithes, bet be thought they Its tier interfere with any thing else. The Earl of LIMERICK and the LORD CHANCEL LOR explained. The Earl of DAHNLET odd, Ise would be sorry to de tain their Lordship, but lie coati not, consistent with what lie ihunght his .duty, give a sheet vote on such an import. set question. It had been infest properly awl ably argued by the Noble Boron (Ellentpireorh), Shensr the two Go remotest' were to lee considered as seParate, ogee. The Noble Earl (Bnemeelomore) had told them .bat the proposed measures in the other Howse of Parliament did not Meathe from the Noble Marquis at :he head of the Government it , ed with I, e e" : t r e e , i ll :ji g : 1 17 ; . .. I t 'll : te a:t h e e : . el se : u l o In t l e : I l i !b ob : i ldet compelled p e p ‘it e rl h esialki b t t ws y saying, t t h h h" e a o t s ai n we t h a b s j il e e r s ::: t was mieretlehlue su physically had in the nature of the people rot Ireland, that they ought not to enjoy the protection at forded to the people of other countries. This certainly was strung declaration. awl not a fair representation ef tbe peo ple of a reentry . who had never been protected. The visit of his Majesty to Ireland held out hopes to him that the Inns. lion of 'reload would have been considered, and their con: dillon ameliorated; that hope was strengthened when the Noble Mugu's, at present at the head of the Government. was out there, bat all his hopes had been disappointed. He considered Mat • total revision of the Magistrates to Ireland was highly n y; lilt he thought the prevent measure pro Posed in the other House of Parliament would Only have the effect of diegoi.ting the whole Magistracy. If the propitiation of the Noble fulsrquis (Lansdowo) was not carried this eight, be hoped he would bring it forward again and again rain it woo coot ;if he should decline duties so he (the Noble Earl) would consider it his duty to do so. Lord HOLLAND said, after what had been mortared on the subject by Muse Noble Lords connected with Ireland, and after the able and eloquent speech of the Noble Boron (Ellenborough), who was, like himself, not couleri, t i Ireland, lee would only express his opinion on topes that I had been improperly brought before their Lardsloop., and were not connected with the subject. The motion of hs Noble Friend only went to pledge their Lordships to take the state of Ireton , ' ,situ their consideration; this was an. swered by the Noble Earl by ntovibg the previous spiesties that was, according to Polio:mosey language, sayi ng this is not the proper time for tabor it into coaridera. tion, but when it comes from Ministers It bears moiler construction...have ronfidence in the Executive, and it will du all you ask for. He agreed that Parliament had bad student patience on this subject, fur whey a mes sage came f rom the Crown for coercive onetime+ agsioet the people of Ireland, which their Lord.hips reluctantly parted, the Noble E'rl at the head of the Treasury told them, it was the state of the society of the cuuntry made them necessary, and the F.vectstirc was trying to uhrisee it, which was precisely the sa me lose which they had heard foe the last tweety.mo years. Whets his Noble Friend (the Doke of Devonshire), with the modesty which became his age, mid with that promise of ability which wee noberent in his fa mily, presented a Petition fur the moinnouation of tithes —(Hear, bear, hear)—the Noble Earl opposite (Liver. pool) highly comphmented his Greer, awl seemed to COT cede to the parrot the Petition, and so far impelled on ha Grace, as to stake him believe that he would roc/tole ; but be (Lord Hulked) told. the baba Doke he wassaistoken. for the Noble Earl had two modes of genie/ rid of a woo,. nun: the Met, by being boonneroue, and declaring that the country was in danger, or that the Church wed Shute eve in Osage. ills other, by acceding to every thing that r atli.j. but it weemos she time for its being comedies, eh. He, for himself, would tailor take elm Noble Earl eu. his hither tones, for in Ms softest moments he was the most ..lattc• lOUs. He recollected me the quests's of the Catholics, the great. est abjection the Noble Earl had to the mrsaure way, ilia: it would pet swords in the bawl of the Catbolien to cut the throats of those belonging to Me established church ; but les afterwards agreed to a Bill inttuffeced ha the Irate Duke of Norte*, which put the verify liernrda in the hands of the Ca. Money. When his late "eyerito he lainented (mend, .Mr. Houser, in the other Belvieu( Parleament, brought forward the subject of the currecey, the 'Noble Earl met it with ab horrence, mad there was a repollution posved in the other Howse of Pealiement, that a one pound Bauk note and a shilliag were of meal value as a (shone Lot after wards the Noble Earl assumed the proportion of Mr. Homer. TM Noble Earl said at one time, from the in crease of the eowelatiou et the amatory the 'tending army could not be reduced, nut our could he lace from it , and afterwards be swept •wayotir.third ,f it. It was the nine with the Wooten of the teem.; the Noble Earl had imel them that nut one stoillieg ovoid he given top, lance whirl several taxes had been repealed. 'The Nuble Earl. perky., would tell them that it was not be that had given them up, bet the Helium of CAinimon.. He would t e ll 10, 1 girt he waa at the head of lota Majesty's Government, sad was particularly come rued with th e h oaorea o f the Go. t v o ern i men heir t, Lo a r o d d .hi t r l ,, int a lr d f t io h otz e. lot cou n i o u t ,,, to ae. which wneertiounost founded in fort. Then route the euridine of the Sinking Fund: the Noble Earl *could not load with a Midi,: of it ' • he would take it into hie embruce, nod clasp it to hie bo som; but the OILMICUI he COlllll nut deal with the Sees, Alt ones get eufeehleil and Ire lees it fall from his embrace.— (Hear.)—The Noble Earl haul told them to trust to hum sued his Conceivers, and they woelil Ming the country sable through. Ile, fortune, did not henry* hhn; for whether ft was from the construction cf the pet scut Admioistrition, or its bad compottent pwrts, he, fur one, would trot tmailseet. The *hole of the NJ:)I6 Earl's argument stoical the station was the ewe of Etrirly. This e a me will a i h. f d grace from • person who soppoited the Ualon; and hmuelit that load society into the toma t o of his c o m i ty,. Th e itohi e Len! concluded by enervating their I.Coridollipe, as they fie! introduced the Bub, mere, thins 'the whole benefit of it, mud del IS son people of Indeed into the Esgtiah Ceestim. peed the trial by pry from tide hi lithe in that eirentry: Their Lorilehips thaw divided, whet. shuts appals* titer the maim of the Marquis of Lahialuste •t coosessie.. Pressiee ....—. Nat Contests 65 Pommes .- lOt - Mojoeiro Their I.o , d•hips. at Irltapivel. Elden o'Cielet, on the tuutiou of the Earl of *II A ETIRSeII KY, adjutiroeJ 51ouday nem. HOUSE or• COMMONS, 'FRIDAT, Just 14. The SPEAKER took the Chai , at foe,stork. _ . Mr. DA LY gate notice of a mutton. Nie neN! en the stakieei IS Titheti in Ireland. Mr COKE presented a Petition irons the Landhohlrrs one of tbe Hundreds of Notfulk, tomplariiii.e of Aerie.' turd Di sssss a, and praying fur Patliameutaty Kefoim.— Ordered to hip, tinted. Sir R. WILSON peeeented a Petition from Wili:zen Greathead Lewisof Coventry, now a petsimor u. the c") , 1 1 m Oakbara, complaining edit proseentio• bavtne been t urned against hits, and peualties levied fue roaeted gram as a 11l bsittnielor ruffct. Ant., a hlew woril‘ from the CHANCELLOR or the EX. CHEQUER, the Pet iI MI was ordered to he spun the talsh • SA LT AN LEATIII ER TAXES. GeneraIGASCt)YNE seeing ihe ClEtnceilor of the le chequer in his place, stashed to ask him, in ender that the pedant mind 'alit! lee set at fist use the solve% win h. r it Ka! , his intention to perserrie in retaining the S. p. I ' o ' ll ' l of the salt tax. or to glee up the *hole Ur. IL SU M N Elt Bawl a report was is circuitous), /6,1 in the event of the ...hole a the salt tax briag gisct , "P. was intended nut to ittoceerl aisle the .qpeal ~1 the lax; •tol as it was e f great consequence to those .otirernrJ in the !rattle, trade to Le e °erectly info awe* 011 the sehst. lee hosed aloe night Ilene Gentleman v aseshl state *hat tbr intention of Gore' lenient ass in that net pers. The CIIANCLI.I.OIt of the EX .7.IIEQUER said: should have oudoubtrdly to propose en tosidershle alteinned in the Resolutieus hirb the House hail already agreed Id's r . *4