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inert, and be prompted into aaion only by the in fluence of British Subsidies ? Such a supposition was tooliibsurd to be seriously attended to; and as to the 6vit in of the late Administration,: to which the Noble Lord so fondly referred, and seemed so anxious to bring under discussion, he would fairly say, that .inertness and folly of that Administration bad form d the heaviest obstacle witlLlvhich the,presem Government bad, to struggle. They had - never prepared any one praCiical means by Which our Al lies could be assisted, or that could inspire them with the hopes of contending successfully with the coo inow enemy. • Their measures were • adopted without foresight, and condu6ted without energy, and consequently produced' no effeet. Atter a few words in explanation from Lords liot.Lstio and LAUDIMDALE, the question was , put on the Address, and agreed to nem. dis. ' Lorl Iipk'KESOURY next moved an Address of Thanks to his Majesty, for his gracious Coinmunica that tett-Cling the Vote of Credit; which was like- . wise agreed to rem. dis. A MessLge wax likewise delivered from his Ma jesty, respecting the purchase and settlemdnt of Fioginore House on her Majesty; which was ordered to be taken into consideration to-morrow. INSURIUCTION . BILL. Lord H.4II;ICE,SBURY now moved the Order of tini Day fir the second reading of the Bill to prevent Disturbances, &c. in Ireland. He telt it to be a Measure of great importance, and it was natural to expect he should adduce some 'pions for its adop tion. Measures of a similar nature had often been resorted 'to by the Parliament of Ireland, the neces sity of wrier had grown , out of the French Revolu (kw, and the principles which the authors of it had attempted to disseminate throughout every country. Associatio,is had at different times been entered into in that part of the Empire, in which oaths were ad tnin6tered, and engagements entered into, for tjie worst of purposes. To counteract these pradices, a Bill of the nature of the present was first intro duced. If such practices were dangerous then, bow much more so must they be in the present state of Europe . and of the Empire, and when•the ffite of Iwland was more closely linked than ever with the fate of this . Country, and of the; Continent. ,He could nut, under such ` circumstances, foresee that any riiaterial objection would be made to the 13i1), not only because it was brought forward 'in a milder shape than that in which the Parliament of Ireland had 'passed' it ; but because it was • known 'to have been in the contemPlaation of the „late Mmi7 . . .- uistestion to bring forward a situilar measure, little cLererent from that which was esow proposed, and with which, of course, the Noble Lords on the other side would not be .much disposed to quarrel. In that hope, he should move that the Bill be now read a second timd. Lord 1101,,L4ND rose, not to oppoSe the prin ciple of the Bill, or perhaps even its provisions, though there were sonic of them which he wished to ,coo athehded, but to give it en assent, which, however, was wrung from him with sorrow, and only by the gripe of an extreme and lamentable necessity. -He felt it to be a necessity not only painful to his feel-, ihgs, but degrading to his character as a Member of 1 thet House. Hew long was the Imperial Parlia ment to continue to legislate for Ireland in the spi rit (X this measure, that is, in defiance of the best principles of, the . Constitution, in the blessings of which we cannot allow that unfortunate Country to participate ?-S-Were these the promises —are these 'the fruits 'of the Union ?—But if he was corn- Eed to submit to the laimiliation and the hard seip of assenting to such a Measure, the causes et least shou;d be inquired into' which produc ed the dire necessity upon which alone it was ats• tempteh to be justified. The causes chiefly:appeared to be the disabilities that hung upon the Catholics in that distratied country, the. pressure of the tithes, and . the . etEiris' that were, systematically made to Lep alive religameanintesities between. the Catho lics and the Protestents in Irelands oh each of these causes, the Noble Lord descanted at great length and much warmth. He was well acquainted with the charat ter of I rishmen, and no chewier did, he ever see. 'mare conspicuously. Marked by benevo lence; generosity, - and courage:: What then was it that Cleated in that count r y those inextinguishable :disiehite4s: which 'called so often for the enactment of Measures like the piesene?-e-lt Must be some thing of a nature the most imperiotti, when it urged men to forego the blessings of eltiiized society itself, zed the advantag,es of a Constitution such as this Cwmtry boasts of and is blessed with.' :that was the source of the eVil which we WerebOund to eZ plore and if it was duly explored, the remedy must soon be discovered. The fate is, the great majority of the people of I re la n d were 'd e p r i ve d of the full enjoyment of the Constitution, and alert - ea them selves injured. and degraded by the.suspicions which gave rise to that deprivation. Eriglishnien loVed and admired the Constitio ion, because they enjoyed all its benstitS Could it then be fairly expetted that the pee lc of Ireiaod should equally 'love and admire that Coestitution, Irons the 'full enjoyment of the' bete tits of which they were debarred l 'No, it was thit in the nature of things ;'it was not in the com position of the human_ heart ; indulge them in that fair enjoymeet, and a l * murmurs ere appeased and sdenced. As to tithes, 'he Was happy to think that Ministers meditated some Measure of relief, and if so, they so tar should have . his most cordial support. Would that theyetnight also be brought to .discoun tetrance the by which religious animosities were fomented in Ireland, where, by the priticiples instilled by the tatechism taught in- the charter schools, the infant mind of the Protestant is poisoned with prejedices against' she Catho'ic. Yet thotte who encourage that system ofedocation, Accuse the Catholic of uneharitableueSs and intolerance, the eely ti ices which they themselves must be conscious they are indulging against these very persons to whom they hupute theru. But is pot that the heighe of tie , hat itablehthiS fs it not a refinement of tyranny, a tyranny not far abort of that which characterised that most accomplished of tyrants, Tiberius.- Still, u all these discouraging digressions, he would warn the people of Ireland not to look abroad to assistance or redress, but to, bear with patience their present grievances; and to hope for a fuller enjoy. meat of ti e,r rights. That they could only expect fr en the wisdom and liberality of this Country : if .ey looked' ter their rights elsewhere, they would rally fled the rights of the sword. Lard I.l:llElticK vt, as sorry to hear the language end the sentiments that fell trout the Noble Lord, for they could be produaive of no good. Why eter nally introduce the claims oithe Catholic? why in sinuate that they had reason,not to love the Consti, tutioni and that at a M Oment when they - enjoyed almost every thing"We'ConStitutioncould bestow, If the Noble Lord wished to trace the cause of the discontents in Ireland, he perhaps might find them in this country, and trace them to such speeches as heThiMself had just made. He might also trace their obje& to the principles,avowed by the leaders of the late rebellion in that country, who avowed Thernselves to have other objects in view than Catho . lie Emancipation or Parliamentary Iteforrni 'Against the operation of such principles it was that measures like the present must be adopted; and perhaps the more frequent enforcement, of them might have pre vented the spreading of disorders and the mischiefs that sprung from them. He _admired much the personal chara&er of the Noble Duke who was lately at the head of the Irish Government ; but had that. Noble Person allowed the County at Mayo to be proclaimed during the excesses of the Threshers, the contagion would not have spread into the adjoining Counties, and many - persons would have escaped from the sword - of justice; who, on account of that injudicious lenity, had fallen under it. So little was the real state of Ireland understood, and consequent ly so ill-adapted the means employed to govern it: The Duke of BEDFORD rose, under visible agi tation, to vindicate himself from the charge brought against him by the Noble Earl. He had acted in Ireland not only to the best of his judgment, but froth the advice of those who were most competent to direct him. He felt no regret at the part, he had aaed.. It was not in the County of Mayo, but in that of Sligo, where the disturbances then prevailed. Lord KINGSTON contended, that the Magi strates in that County were the real promoters of the disturbances. The condua of many Of them Was such, as to disgrace the Magistracy; and some of them rather deserved to be hanged than to be made Magistrates. Indeed he knew one of them who had the halter round his neck, during the Re bellion; and, if such were the heads, how could the people be brought to respea them. Lord HARDWICKE vindicated the reluaance he had alwayi felt and acted on, to put any county out of the law. Lord CARLETON thought that such forbearance might have led to the very worst consequences. Lord SELKIRK would vote for the Bill ;' but chief ly on the ground of its acknowledged necessity. Lards HOLLAND and LIDIERICK explained,; after whibh the Bill ; was read a second tune,, and ordered to be committed to-morrow. ,Lord LAUDERIIALE mentioned some objelitions to the Irish Custom House Bill ; but would take ano• ther opportunity to state them more at large : Adjourned at half-past nine. HOUSE OF COMMONS, WEDNESDAY, JULY 29. Mr. Howard, from the Exchequer, presented an Account of all Stims of Money 'issued in pursuance of Addresses from the House of Common's, and not triode good by' Parliament. " Mr HoßitousE brought up the Report of the Committee on the Duties of Silks; which was agreed to, and Bills were ordered' accordingly. The Public, Accountants' Bill and the Post Office NU were read a second time, and ordered to be committed to-morrow. • Mr.--HositousE ,brought up the Report. of the Coffee Warehousing Bill ; which was ,agreed to, and'Ae Bill ordered to be read a third dale to-mor row. On the Motion of Mr. Rose, an Account was ordered to be I4id before the House, of the Receipt and Expenditure of the Sums voted by Parliament for the Royal Nova! Asylum ; an Account of the ratio of Coals, Candles, ere. for one year ; and vari ous other Accounts of a similar nature; as, also a comparative Estimate of the Expellees attending the Naval and the Military Asylum. In a Cortunittee to consider of the importation of Swedish Herrings,. a Resolution was agreed to, .on. the motion of . Mr.. Rose, that Swedish. Herrings should be allowed to be imported into this Country, on paying t duty of •6s. 7d. per barrel, containing 32 gallons: The Report was ordered to be. received to morrow. Mr: ROSE brought up the Malta Calico Exporta tion Bounty Bill. Read a first time, and ordered to be read a second time to-morrow. . . The Dublin Paving Bill wen t th r ough a Com- Inittee; -the Report of which was ordered to be re.. ceived to-morrow. Mr. HOBHOUSE brought up a Repoit of the Com mittee on the Justice of peace Bill; which was agreed to, and the 'Bill ordered to be .read a third time to-morrow:. The House went into a Committee on the Ex piring Laws Bill. • In that part which related to the Woollen Nlanufaalures, Mr. Rosa moved, that the blanks he tided up " to the end of the next Session of Parliament." If the Noble Lord opposite, who had on a late evening expressed his wish that the du ration of this A& shookl be limited to . a'month or six weeks after the conimencement of the next Parlia ineut, still persevered in that desire, .be had no ob je6iion to concur with him, but of course he sup posed that the Noble Lord would be • prepared at an early period of the next Session to bring forward a Bill for the.purpose of amending the great evil which would otherwise exist. Lord MtvroN had no intention of proposing any Bill on the subject, but be trusted time House would be induced to appoint a Committee to investigate it narrowly, and he thought that by fixing the termi nation of the present Alit at an early period:of the next Session, Parliament would more readily be pre . veiled on to institute such a Committee,. He'could not agree with the Right Hon. Gentleman with re gad to the inconveniencies that would result from L.Suffering the AO to expire. Mr. WILBERFORCE differed from his Noble (bolleague on the subject of the inconveniences that the expiration of the Ad must occasion. Ina pro- Apeding of such magnitude, involving so many a:im plicated interests, he did not think it would become Plirliement to fix the termination of the At: . .t at a. n south or six weeks after the commencement of the n ext Session, that they might as it were, .be forced to turn their attention to . that which they o ught readilyand spontaneously to coniiider,;.. Afier;,a . tow words from Mr. Sruitottslßountie, a a Short explanation from Mr., WILtERFOR . CF., t be lalaiikg were filled up with the words " to the, end of the next Session of Parlisment, l ! And the House having been resumed, the Report was or dered to be received to-mol row. A Message from the Lords ; announced the agree went of their Lordships, to the Militia Pay Bill, the Militia Subalterhs -Bill, the Militia Allowances Bill, the Irish Militia Pay Bill, the Irish Spirit Duty Ile 'gulation Bill, the Irish Sugar Duty Bill, the Naval Stores Importation Bill, and the Compassionate List Bill, &c. On the Motion of Mr. CALCRAFT, an Account was ordered to be laid before the House of the Numbers wanting to complete the Regular, Army; distinguishing cavalry, infantry, and artillery ; also an Account of the nurnber of Effe6tive Yeomanry and Sea-Fencibles in Ireland, distinguishing each Corps, and the strength of each, as far as the same could be made out; also an Account of the number of Sea-Fencibles in Great Britain. . Mr. HusiussoN presented Accounts, pursuant to order of the House, relative to the, state of the Established Church in Ireland. Sir JOHN NSWPORT moved that they be printed, observing, that they would spew how attentive the late Administration had been to that subjet . t.....N Ordered. Mr. BARHAM gave notice, that on Friday next be would move for leave to bring in a Bill to regulate the issue of EleOtion Writs. The 9 SECRETARY at WAR presented comparative returns of the number of men raised by recruiting during the last three years.—Ordered to be ' printed. On the motion of the SECRETARY at WAR, account was ordered to be laid beforembe House of the number of Deserters from the Regular Army, during the years 1805, 1806, and 1807, distinguish ing each year. The Colonial Import Bill was read a second time, and ordered to be committed to-morrow. The Sierra Leone Company Bill was read a third time; On .the Motion that it do pass— Mr. DENT argued at some length against it, de scribing it as 'an improvident and scandalous expen diture of the public money. Mr. WILBERFORCE defended the_Bill, and stated the causes which had induced Government to take the Colonj into their own hands : among the prin cipal of these was the protection of the ova Scotia Corps, and of the Maroons. Mr. EDEN, Mr. HUSIUSSON, Mr. SHERIDAN, Lord H. PETTY, and Mr. H. THORNTON, spoke in tavour of the Bill; Mr. FULLER against it. It was then passed. Mr. SHERIDAN gave notice, that on Monday next he would move for leave to bring ,in a Bill pursuant to the prayer of the several Petitions from the Brewers, &c. of the Metropolis. C9I: Woon presented a Petition from Mr. William Spurrier, Sheriff of the Town and County of the ToWn of Poole, who was yesterday committed to the custody of the Serjeant, at Arms. It stated, thatf!Mr. Spurrier deeply lamented having commit ted a breach of the privileges of the House of Com mons, and of lining in consequence incurred their displeasure. He being duly sensible of his error, he begged pardon, and threw himself on the mercy of the House, entreating their, forgiveness and his release. The Petition was ordered to tie on the table, Col. Woon then moved, that Mr. Spurrier be brought to-morrow to the Bar, in order to be dis charged. The SECRETARY. at WAR expatiated on the crime Of which Mr. Spurrier had been guilty, and observed, that the only cause which mild be assigned for strewing him lenity was, that it was, in contempla tion to iniroduCe a new law on ' this subje&; a Subjeat of the utmost importance to the cliaraaer of the House. • iVir. FULLER declared himself to be 01 an opinion similar to that of the Hon. Baronet. M r , W. SMITH thought this one of the grossest cases that could found in the annals of Parlia mein. He could not conceive why Mr. Spurrier, who had been guilty of an o(fence of such magnitude,, should escape with less punishment than Mr. Brun drett, who certainly had something like an excuse for his condua. Although he 'should riot oppose the motion of the Hon. Colonel, it by no means bad his approbation. The -Cits cup Lott of • the EXCII24IIER animad verted with considerable severity on the silence of the Hon. Gentleman who had just sat down, yes terday evening, when the first step was taken of that lenity which he now so much condemned. In the proposition which he (the chancellor of the Ex- • chequer) had last night made, he thought that he had colleded the sense of the House. Mr. W. SMITH explained. - He had last night yielded to the general feelings of the House, with a reserve in his own mind, that if the discharge of Mr. Spurrier from confinement were proposed at an early period, to state his objections to it. After a short discussion, in which Mr. ROse, Lord H. Petty, Colonel Wood, Mr. Barhatn, Mr. Pole Carew, and Mr: Bingham participated,' Mr. LVSHINOTON moved, as an Amendment, " That Mr. Spurrier be brought to the bar to-Mor row se'nnight, for the purpose of being discharged." Mr. S. THORNTON seconded the Amendment, conceiving .this to be one of the grossest cases that, ever occurred. Mr. WINDHAM, Mr. WILBERPORCE, and Mr. LoCICHART, said a few words, in support of the ori ginal Motion ; after which a division took place. For the original Motion 45--Against it 29—Majo rity t(i. Mr. Spurrier 'consequently was ordered to be brought to the Bat to=morrow, in Order to be dis charged. • On our re,admittance, to the Gallery, we found ,the SECRP.TARY at WAR putting off his notice for moving the ..additional Army Estimates to: Friday next.' The House, on the motion of the CIIAWCELLOR of the EX-G.0.61(4k, resolved itself into a Committee of Supply, Mr: Hoiiiiouse in the Chair; the Re port of the :Royal College-of Physicians respealing VaCchiatitm, mid several estimates that had been on the table, having been previously referred to the CoMmittee.. DR. lENNER'S REWARD. 'The CHANCELLOR if the EXCHEQUER rose to-call the attention of. the Committee to the iteport of the Royal College of Physicians, respeti ing the mode discovered by.pr. Jenner of prevent- ing the Small Pox, the severest inflidioe as a dis ease to: which mankind is subject.. Whatever might have been the .origin of the discovery,. it had never been known before that Gentleman made it public,. that the Vaccine Disease could be communicated by Inoculation. If that discovery should prevent the Small Pox, it was hardly possible to charatierise its value in terms too strong. When the Committee considered the advantages that .had already resulted from it, and that would in. future result from it, when .the prejudices that existed against it should subside,. he was sure the Committee would not consider the proposition he meant to make extra , vagant, but liberal and just to the individual. No. Thing was so difficult as to fix upon any standard whereby to measure what should be the grant of that 'House upon such an ()Coition. .The. subje& had been under the consideration of Parliament some years since, but then there bad not been time to satisfy the House of the value of the discovery, and therefore only 30,0001. had been voted to DoCtor Jenner, instead of 20,0001. which his friends had propoied. 'The inquiry that hid been recently made,. was perfedly satisfs&ory to his mind, and consequently he proposed to move a grant of 10,0001. which with the sum already granted to Dr. Jenner, Would amount to the, sum originally proposed by his friends to be voted to him. It was'unnecessary for him to urge more arguments in sup.. of his pm+ position, to those who had read the •: eport. If they assumed, that the Inoculation for the Small Pox was a benefit to mankind, they might then be able to estimate how much greater a benefit this dis covery was, which, as appeared by the Report, was a certain security against the Small Pox. It appear ed, that of thosa who had that disease naturally, one in six died, whilst of those inoculated for that disease, only one in 300 died. But of 164,38 t cases of persons' vaccinated, only three had died, which made the mortality Only one in 54,741. It would be impossible after that statement, to repre sent , more favourably the advantages of . the dia. , covers? ! And when the deaths, and all the cases of inconvenience that had occurred in that number of cases were - taken together, they amounted to 1 79. only, out of the 164,381, which was an infinitely smaller proportion than the actual mortality by the inoculation for the Small Pox. But it was not this Country alone that was benefited by. the , discoveers the whole world participated in the advantages re• suiting from it. Au objection might be made' to the utility of the discovery because it tended to increase population, but he should refer the principles of practical rinitraility, in preserving hie where it exist ed, to Inc eucouragenierit of those cheeks. men tioned by Mr. MalOus, whereby plrulation might be kept down. they were to go into a calculation of the inpnuer of lives that had been saved by the dis covery, and the expence to the public spared by the diminution-of the number of, persons in the hospi tals, they might have a means of estimating the ad- ' vantages of this important discovery. On all these. grounds he would move the Committee, " that a sum not exceeding 10,0001. be granted to his Ma jesty, to be paid without fee or derluotion to Dr.' Jenner, as a further reeird for his discovery of the; mode of preventing the Small 'Pox by Vaccioatien.s' Mr. SHAW LEFEVRE was sorry to oppose the motion, which he did not Out of &srespeat to Dr. 'Jenner, but from a feeling of pubic duty. Many of the statements in the Report were ill founded, and others were carried too far. He could bring evidence to the Bar to prove that the rmo rtal)ty Via% greater than the Right Hon. tkntlernan had stated. This was not a period of the Session to vote sach considerable sums. The Hon. Gentleman here mentioned the case-of a physician, who in 'the year 1777 'prglised vaccination with success, and cr n• tended, that if-the House was to be liberal, soma part of the money ought to be granted to that Gene tleman, who was still living. Lord HENRY PATTY contended, that infallible lity ought not to be made the test of great disco' veries, which ought rather to be estimated by gene• ral averages. He was disposed to - go farther than the Right Hon. Gentleman, though he should nut take upon him to make any specific, proposition to 'the Committee. '1 here was no standard whereby a great public discovery could be, estimated that woeld not enhance the value Of Dr. Jeuner's dis covery, if tried by it: If cottiidered' %ith reference to the national benefits resulti4 from it—tostlle advantages that he might have derived from his dis covery, if he had not published it to the ks urid- - 49 the ;effect it had in raising the tame, the honour , and the character of the country—there was tio standard for estimating the merit of any public covery under which Dr. Jenner would nut have, 1.1"!, peculiar claim upon the gratit u d e - a nd lib e rality the House. It appeared by the Report, that the deaths by the Small Pox bad increased !Juice tilt discovery ;' and thougo tie should not wish to u se . any compulsion, or to interf e r e Wi t h t h e lib e rty Way all . persont should have t o a d as they thought to ,o adviseable for their own !he a lth, *o r for teat uf their family, still he was of 'opinion,. that 'persons preferred the Inoculation for the Small Pox, shout" not be. allowed to endanger tbt health of ()alas. Such persons, in his opintoir„ . ouglit to be conlio# ed to their houses whilst athttlert by the disease , and. not : suffered to spread infeCtion through 111 e community. if any proof Were waniei, tel trio atu~ of the discovery, it would be Montt in the ready r e ception which it had met with from all tiati°°' even the least enlightened of Asia, where prep dices were most deeply .rooted., It was highly tifying too to witness the . zeal .:with which the Gen tlemen of the Medical ProteSsion, not, only w the metropolis, but in . all parts of the country ; bad pro; muted the interests of humanity, by adopting and ailing upon thisimportant discbvery General TABLED:AIf bore testimony to'. he value of the discovery, from the number of the military whose lives had been saved by it. It W o ' besides, an important circumstance, that the troee . s en_recovery might leave their barracks, and othe' i succeed them without any danger of infectiou.-' Military Wen were said to be most fond of prai' it 'S great conquerors, but in his opinion, this Gentleman' who saved the lives of millions, was entitled w mo re praise than the most successful coequetor. Air. STURGAS BOURNE, agreed with t_h ° . Noble Lord opposite. (Lord H. .Petty), that sef . ," means ought to be taken to prevent person". tag the Small Pox from spreading' the trileo0 1 7 ; 31 1 Sio He understood th a t it w a s the prattice at the het . Pox Office to inoculate out-patients to the t0.1.10_,- b1e2,000 in a year, who were to corue three t 011,7,.., week to be personally inspected at the Ingenuity could not discover a more eilectuat tt il Jr, of spreading the contagion, and lie thccaiot