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ri/ /. a reifies sealed DADA and that seigid Re ..aloud • lkir way to ertietate the arstiseesto of the 'sentry. As fir the karate bodies who elippwrlrd the lIMPINOVIN, they were prinripally rose kalif a of she legat iprofeeekel, who woos iii neeseed, s 'Nob., by she imams* which the Led Presided look I. h.—Ordered is be pn.i.d. WINDOW TAX. Mr R. SHAW poopesed, to W. doseloy, 11th April, hie 11 " 1 " resPeetive she Me Taz, vide\ dead for Wodenday, 11th Apt' " -- MALT TAX. 'Mr. LUSHINGTON braised is • Rill id regulating ter boll M Malt.—Th. Bill woe nod s the tier, sod witted 14. is roads aeostod dad sessmorwer (M. day). VAGRANT LAWS. Mr. CISETWTIIO said. he was safe the House ammo be aware that • Secret Committee had been appointed in the last Session to cowsider the laws relating to vagrants; and shortly after that • Bill was introduced, but it woe so late in the Season *hat it was considered better to limit the period tfian to render it permanent. From the observa ions lie had made in his own county and the information he had received. particularly from that most excellent institution in London, the Mendicity Amociation, he was enabled to state that the operation of that measure had fur ex. :Periled the boat sanguine esurclatious which had been formed respecting it. Vagrancy bid consi derably demand, and • great diminution had taken place in the county rater, which premed so heavily open agriculture. The object of hie present motion was to consolidate the various Acts relating to •igrauts, taking hit round ,upon the Bill of last Session. When he stated that within the last PO years 49 Acts had been passed alma the sub ject, he thought it would be sufficient to induce the House to consent to the motion,. It was re haterked by one of our monarchs, Edward the Sixth, "That it would be most advisable, when time silted, to make ell the statutes more plain snot *hart in order that ell men might understand them." If then that was necessary at that period, bow tnoth more u'c y now, when there Vas such multiplicity of statutes. His second object was to steline. as much as poesoble, the crime of vagrants, in order to distinguish the venom classes—the idle end disorderly. she unfortunate and distressed, ;he sturdy beggar and the incorrigible rogue; foe i,.tres most material that all these classes should ,no a s • be. coufuunded, or the same punishment in- Ctrd all. Upou this subject, he would beg .Zeler the House to the opiutua of a snout en trued magistrate. who had written sense able stark. upon the subject, he meant Mr. Colqiihouti. Ile said. " That in legislating foe a penal offence in *II free country. it was always serf& to consult tlm feelings of society ; for of the people were eoce impressed with an idea that puaishmeut was too severe. it would he extremely difficult to tarry the lees into execution " In the retest Bill he had also ia view a plait fur regulating the imsaing of various. Upon that subj.ct lie had received • letter from • magistrate, which stated that it cost for passing vagrants in two counties, Berke and Wiltshire, 2,51}7/. in the course of one year. It was then reeutially necessary that some regulation ghoul(' be made on that subject. His next object was the regulation of the venous lodging houses, which were, in fact, nothitig better the. so many receptacles for vagrancy and crime. In the neigh bourhood of Whitechapel there were thirty or forty of them. These houses could not be altogether sup pressed, and his idea wee that they should be licensed like public houses, they should pay some small sum. and their license was to be retained only during their good behaviour. He should theree• fire move for leave to bring in • Bill to coaselie date the various Acts relating to vagrauts, and all idle and disorderly persons. Mr. Caters seconded the motion. Mr. CIISTIVTIID end. the other Bill he had to propose was similar to one which had been intro duced last Session. Every gentleman who acted as magistrate must be acquainted with the difficulty s.f drawing up a summary proceeding in many cases. The object of his motion was in make one. general form of proceeding. He should therefore core, " For leave to bring in • Bill to facilitate sumo mary proceedings before Magistrates sod others." Mr. M. A. Tavtoe said, if the Honourable GenOrman would be able to frame • Bill which wruid übsiste the frtiveset difficulties which urine its many ease., lie would be entitled to she gratitude at his cottony, fur it was almost impossible to draw up s proceeding of so nice • texture. es that • itlitish attorney will not discover some flaw. Leave was then granted to bring LAI both Bills, • aid a Committee watt appointed to prepay diem. PUNLIC JOURNALS. , Sir JOHN NIIWPYIT moved fur • Select Com mittee, to take ur• consideration the Iteeolutiou of tree 7th March last, respecting the distribution of record volumes, and to report their observations thereon, as to the best mode of carrying the said Resolution into effect. After • few words from Mr. Davies GILBBILT, leave was grunted. awl • Collllo3lllet /appointed ac es/Jingly. WA Of THE HOUSE. Joitit 1 4 41111ruiet said he had a motion to s:bunt to the consideration of the House, which, if adopted, would, in his opinion, be attended with the most beneficial effects. It was. t h at the House be called over upon the 24th of April. In gidiug this long notice he had two objects—filet, to give ample tame to such geolleinew as were detained in lieland end Scotland ; and. secoudly. aid prtompally, be cauae it was probable, indeed certain, that some mammies ofimportaoce relative to Ireland would be bought ender the consideration of the Hotta', sod I,e considered it of -Abe utmost advantage to secure • full attendance. From the experience of many years he could say that nothing was tuore grateful to the people of Ireland than to are the questions in which they were concerned attended to in that House. And he knew how difficult it WWI to make it apparent to them, that, since the eatiuction of their own Legislature, their interests bed not been tieelected ; and it was his sincere conviction that ~tithing could trod more to the prosperity of the et.untry than to impress epos their minds that their affairs had receleed adequate attention. If hi. Knuth)* was agreed to, it would hese the effect of s, coring a full attendance after the recess. He had bet owe object is view. and that was to establish Qua be hoped would be etOrmanent, the confidence et the people of Ireland in that House.—(Flear, berer.l—.He should therefore move, 1 ' That the House be called over oft the teth April next" The Caextillissoa ef the Except's& did Dot meet to oppose the motion of the Right lion. Baronet, for he fully concurred in the opinions he hail expressed. as to the iMportatice of chewing to the people of Ireland that their affairs were - lint neglected ; bat as the Right Hon. Baronet had not laid open his views, he wished 'to guard himself against giving any pledge to support whatever motion he might submit upon the subject. The motion was then agreed to. POOR'S RATES. Mr. TtioNall COurtswatr moved that • select Committee be appointed to consider the sums assessed on Poor's Rates for the last four years in England and Wales.--Ageord in. Upon the request of Lord JOHN RusseLL, Mr. Hesse consented to postpone his motion, which stood for Tuesday the 19th, to Thursday the 41st blatant. COLLECTION or THE REVENUE. Colonel Davis rose in pursuance of a notice lie had given some lime back, to submit * motion on the subject of Collecting the Revenue, and whether it IraS considered in • constitutional or a Galicia, point of view, it must be a matter of extreme itn portisuce. Though he had moved the Order of the Day for the motion of which he had given notice, it was not his intention to involve the whole subject of the collection of the revenue in discussion— his object was merely to have motion., taken far bringing the collection of the revenue uno der the survey and eontrol of Parliament, the .same a every. other branch of the public expen diture. Wheu it was considered that the ex pense or collecting was four millions and up words, a corn equal to the whole of the interest of the public debt at the commencement of the list reign —that it was at the absolute dispose! of those who had the directiou and management of the pub ic expenditure—that in tits season of general dis trese.it became the House and the Government to cut down and keep pruning the over-growing and abusive expenses of the various establishments, he thought there would be little difficulty in con vinciug the least credulous how necessary it was foe Parliament to have control over these ac counts, as they had over all others. He need IK-steely add that this article of expenditure had been always considered by every Minister as the great source of his official power, and as the readi est means for wielding the opinions and votes of Parliament. He thought it best to go at once into some general description of the resolutions he was about to propose on this most important subject. His first resolution would describe the general rate and amount of the charges for collecting the reve nue of the year 1820—namely, an expense of 4400,000/. in collecting a revenue of 62.000,000/. or thereabouts, being a charge of 61 per cent. His second resolution would state in detail the separate charges of collection on each branch of the'revenue of IBM sad the difference in the rate of expense between both periods, which difference would he Ifinnii to be on the expenses of collecting the cuts toms, 1/. 12s. per cent. ; on the excise, gn. per cent.; • on the land and awaited taxes, 500,0001. in total• on the Post-office. El. Ito. 3tl. per cent, ; on the 6d. duties I!. Is. per cent ; on hackney-coach du ties,3l. 10s. Bd. per cent. ; on hawkers and pedlar,' licenses, 4!. 17s. 3d. per cent. These were • few instances of the increase of charges, which he had taken out of the finance accounts laid on the table. If there were errors, be they on the• heads of the Gentlemen who placed them there; they were the proper guides in such questions, sod "it was not to be presumed that the accounts were preptired with • view to deceive them. He defied soy proof of error in quoting those accounts. To •avoid alt dispute on the propriety of adopting the periods for coinparisou, lie bad chosen 1812 foe the .lower degree, because theu the depreciation of me. nay was at the worst ; and mot , it was the first yew of a new system of payment for the of-4 Seers which just then went into full effect, in which fees were abolished, and reward for civil services use to be conveyed by salaries and superamiustioosouly. His third resolution would go to establish, as an infer once from the previous resolutions, the necessity of having estimates laid before Parliament of the pro -IMble expenses of collecting in the current year, Altogether with the other estimates. .He did not wish to propose any general change of the bind regula tions, that might he an object for the tutor! deli betations of Parliament; all he asked 'O N , 'hat they might have contr o l o v e r the expetimseetel lectiog as over smaller sums. Two objections might he urged to this: Ist, the increased difficoltiee of collecting all the branches of the revenue, out of which might seise many smaller exigencies which would create much more business titan ordinary. This objection might be met with a provisioo, est poweriug the Treasury to engage such assistance es emergencies might demand, taking care to lay the accounts of such service before Parliament at the next Sessions. The second objection which might be urged was, that after the statement of the Right Hostoarable Gentlemen last night, that all world be dope in the way of reduction which it was pos sible to effect, these resolutions must be entirely useless, fie thought this argument the strongest which could be urged for his motion. It was the constant experience of the House, that au reduc tions were ever seriously set about ; every abusive job and expense was preserved until Parliament took the matter in hind, and then, to say the least, the economy effected was greater titan any anticipated. He would state a few circumstances connected with the revenue, which would serve es the strongest reasons for the House going along with his reso lutions. First, as to the customs : It appeared that in 1797 the salaries of the chief office,* were raised 15 7001.. • year. because the revenue had then increased from 3,700,000!., the amount iu 1788, to 6,400,000/. The rate of collecting in 1797 was 15s. per cent. The Committee of Fi nance in 1708 stated iu their Report, that the total net income paid to all the officers of British cos. toms, including establishments of 'tarty desei i pi jou, usellin,ooo/.; out of which 25,000/. went in sine cures, leaving 350,000/. for the effective service.— The revenue of 1820 was 12,200,0004 ; the salaries were 950,0001. ; being a charge of 01. 4s. per cent. from ISv., which was the t harge for the former period. 11, thought this demanded explanation. There were nine Cominissiouers of Customs, who, between the years 1784 and 1013, lied received. independently of their salaries. 80,0001. in gratuities. iu 1706 thine C./gamin/inners received 1,900/. a year, which. the taxes peed off, left them a net income of about 9791. This was tht. tern m .de to Patlia• meat, and no more was tlioeiht of the 'matter. It turned out that these Commissioner* had received back the whole 01'11414 tares under charges for qua rantine service, and in 1794. the Treasury remitted them their taxes without room) assigned, which twee bee continued up to 1808. He was loath to mention names when talking of the receipt of such enor mous profits; hut there was a Mr. Bruin who re ceived beyond his salary on the year 1802, 750/. ; 1803, 2,230/. ; 1804, 1,073/. ; 1803. 74 61 . 1806 . 7461.; 1807, 730/.; 1808, 4,304/. lit the last year there was a charge, besides this additional reward for Mr. Brui n 's seal sad industry. of 1,000?. for a Mr. Rowe, for doing Mr. Brom'. duty. Did not this demand inquiry ? Would the House allow it, except they meow to abrogate their - councils. and tell the people that they cared nothing about the ekpenditUre of their 'smutty Another gentleman. a Mr. Dean, besides his Wary of 1,300/. as a Commissioner of Custom+, was receiv ing compensation as • Commissioner of West India Revenue Inquiry. If he did duties enough to deserve 1,300/. a year, he could have little tune for those of the second office. He was of opinion that six Commissioners would do quite as well as Moe. That was the number before the intritution of what was called the Cannon-street Committee, • Commission appointed of the highest persons in the State, in 1818, to examine the customs, and suggest alterations in the collection of that branch of the revenue. He must say that their labours had not always been of very happy result, or else the Lords of thi Treasury must have shewn but little regard for their recommendation. But in this case the Commissioners declared that nine Commissioners of Customs were not too many--fit opinion which he opposed to the uttermost, and undertook to shew how the duty might be cone,. niently divided among six, by which means a saving of 4,2001. of salaries might be effected. Ministers were laudably anxious to reduce small offices, whicb were unnecessary, why did they neglect to do the same with high ones and with these three Cont. missioners ? He feud an extract from one of the Finance Committee Reports (vol. ii. page 93). wherein the Lords of the Treasury declared their will that no one should be admitted to the offices of the Cissionos but such as on ezatbination before them (the Lords of the Treasury) 'could prove that he was well qualified for the duties. An admires ble precept; what was the practice? With the exception of two Commissioners, Messrs. Rich mond and Williams. not one of them nut of the nine entered the office with any knowledge of the business.—(" Hear, hear!" from the Ministeral benches.)—Mr. Dean was a Police Magistrate; was that a At apprenticeship for the Customs?— The other day an officer of the army was appointee!, a very gallant and deserving man; but his previous habits could not have qualified him for the Cur torns. His brother, whose long standing must have gives him experienet, west not to make room for biro. That there were eoestatelly growing theses la the celleetisg de. partisans was plain boo this, toot Comatistees of logotry into the Remise had bees sitting is 1764, 1797. 11119, sod 1817. What would have been the use of their imioniea if abuses had sot exited' In Scotland there were Are Com missioning of Customs, which ninmber ought to be reduced ' to three. He would tors to the sopereenuation stale a few Mews respreliug allowemeles of than killel e fibMll/ I ed ender the 00th Gee. 111. cap 17. In 1817, the relisedlta4 low3sets were 61,3001.; in 1816, 71,0901. He need sot reale r what bad bees the canna in grandee allowances previously to that Art, afier whet they heard last might; bet the whole -0, Ike retired *Bowser's, which had swelled at last to .11111.418111., skein the year previous to the passing of that Act 100ffigs. exclusive of lrelaed. That Act bad caused the ItOfebing. The principle of it was, that VW sue a c retire tom service but on account of the istirml- • ilea' of age, and consequent incapacity, which were to rte verified to the Commissioners by proper mealiest certificates. ' In the list of grants, comprising this sum of 86,000/., were re. tired allowances fur fintan, tea, five, and, in come cares, three years of service. The great majority werelliNatit the prescribed period of twenty years, and that which was very remarkable, the inflimities of axe, allowed none of them to exceed the term or twenty yews. In Irlefisme of the return. asendations oldie Fi Committer, soda the emersion, list of retired allowances I. 1816, there bad hien no less 'than 2,700 new appoiotaleota. He stated other ob. 'fictions —to the vast amount of law riming. The charge of 611,0001. for the Preventive Service, or, as it was called, the Coasting Bincksde, which so far from pre venting the practice of 'mewling, as he knew Com et: act observation and ioquiry, gave it iacreased facilities. Such was the dexterity of exeeeising that cuatraband trade, if it could be justly called so, %hie the highest bodies in the Baste were ike greatest smugglers in it, that the smuggler bed fused sot methods not only of running a cargo ashore with safely, but •Isie of converting it to &beeline profit, eel is some eases to have it eased. As to the Mat pretence, the common method was to give false informetios of the ap• preach of the smugglers. The revenue force was drawn off to the pnhd described, *bite the smugglers 'ended their goods is security in some pars which was not suspected. lint they need nut do this; a readier and surer way of posit was open to them Stippose a cargo of 1100 tubs of spirits to be seised; they would contain about 2,000 gallows of spirits; the first cost of which would be about 2261. The reward directed to be paid for seising would Le ahout 1,2901., two-thirds of whieb went to the Beer, the color oue-third to the informer, who might be the proprietor. and thus w, Wel be secure to himself 4001. for twit whisk cost bine 296/. Then there was soother lois is the sates, for it would be found that the finer and furl . ..hates did out PaY one tenth of the el:pewees of seisms. Let the Iluuse rcfi et on the hardened vice sad shanty, sod the misesy which were sit the while grow* up from this system. Were the duti.s on foreign opk.iialie be leJriced from 195.t0 12s. the iodine ment tca snuggle world be almost entirely abolished, the expenses of the preventive service wood he diminished at least one hair, and the consurriptioo of shoot 180,000 Item which were annually rim would tie sutesti , toted by the mime quaatity on which the duties would b e col lected, to say nothing of the incases of consoisiptiens by letting dowse the stole of taxation. A real two. fit would be derived to the revenue tqual to 9,200,0001. To prove tb s he would only observe, that is 1811, when the deters were Um. lid. there were 2,06E000 callous • forepos spirits imported, sialing • deity of 1,559,0001. The drily was raised toward. the MI of the year, aim in 1812 the member of gallons imported was 199,000, bring only oat tenth of the year behme ; and notwithstaiiiling the la- crease of the duty, the to:al amount souk to 180,0101: as that here, as is many other rams, they had *early 'a im e d the revenue by ism/easing the dunes. He took that oppor tunity of comphwaiad of the siiange nes] , et of the Orders of the House among the officers of the departmesna. In furnishing papers which were ordered by the Hoene. He gave suttee that if the thing should occur again he 'retold ceriatn'y move for the pasties to be milled to muse, fur their contempt to the bar of the Howse. tie expeiselmi on the enormous piofits of same of the law officers can. erected with the revenue departmenta. He pa. ticularly pointed out lbw of the Solteher to the Excise, the priifire of which, a. he had insert stated, Welt 40,0001 a year, ' But be they 30,0001. or 90001, they were by far toe meth. He complained of the oppressive expeuses of Litchetesee peewees on the simplest greened. of offence. A slag, is we 611,1•11r*, had offered to pay 1301. rather their go so trial , with them for 2(101. sad was afterwaede acquitted. lie egotism/eel by moving the fullowlog 14 Relolverl, That it appears that the 900 of f i 1te4,11451. 176. 111. *as applied is tie year coding the 5111 of 'attary, 1621, under the iwiri of dories el Ms. ,• _ _ omgruneut, to defrnic the egpenees of collememg and UM NMIIV the sum of 811.811p t ibel., Ow gross ordnance Revenue of the Visited Kingdom, betiog at the rate of 01.10 e. per Brat " That the ander-vorntinned brenehes of the Revenue. were rollected is she year. 1812 and 1820, at the following Isles : CUSTOM,. !Ores.* el nee G r oss Profiteer. Rate per emit. 1814. 1812 .... Z 111.0434170.... 17 17 7....t0 0 0 11120 12,206,114.... 8 19 0 1 1 5 • EXCISE• • 1912 19,476.949 3 17 4 0 0 0 • 1920 .......29,342,898 3 111 1. n ...0 0 9 LAND AND ASSESSED TAXES. 1912 ....... 7.444,791 3 19 4 0 0 0 19110 POST.OFFICE 1812 1,910,761 42 10 11 6 0 0 1940 ....... 1,894,631 25 3 2 2 12 ONE SHILLING ON THE POUND PENSIONS D SALARIES. 1911 .. 19,313 1 12 0......0 0 0 1810 SIX SHILLINGS ON DITTO. ISIS ..... 17,081 ll5 4 0 0 0 1890 HACKNEY COACHER. 1812 27 809 12 1 II 0 0 0 1920 ... 26 374 15 11 7 3 10 S HAWKERS AND PEDLARS. 1112 1820 " That,ou comparing the retest which the several breselms • of the ue aborc.inentionel were collected is the year. 1812 and 1820, it appears, that although they have greatly increased, yet the elfarge of collective was greater ii 1820 dims in 1812, 14 per rest. " That although it is the duty of this Howse, as the rem sentatives of the people, to superintend sad control every branch of the public expenditure, yet it appears that the large sums which have been annually expended to defray the I charge of collecting sod nosnagieg the reveuee, knee been disbeitsed without any set-oust being gives ef the manner is which they have beta applied. " That to enable obi. Honor to exercise a proper control over the public expenditure, it is It that estimates of the probable doom of conciliar sod managing the ... be Ily submitted to the couaideratlua of Parliament, mid a vole takes thereupon." Mr. LUSH INGTON said, that the gallant ofSeer bed grossly deceived himself in quoting the ots. He had abstracted the permanent and tramitury . es of the year 181.1. and only the permsoeut ;eves's,* of the year 1814, and had funned his conelesious altogether erromostely. He would have to add upwards of 3.000,000/. to the Cosmoses of 1819, and upwards of 5,00,0001. to the Excise, of dutws which were of more expensive collection than those which he had taken, sad then he *veld learn with artimistasent, that the rate of collecting for 1812 was 51.9.. 9d., per c. at.; for 1840 U. 116.4 d. a differesee of only use.twelfth of U. per teat. He went into a review of the statement of the gannet Heather, and corrected the errors tato which be gemmed to hare fallen. He thouebt that this would be con sidered a very in/mg lucerne of charge, when the high templathoss to smuggling, from the very heavy ditties re. geared to keep up the revenue were coosidesed. 8. far bed their efforts bees successful, that a eisesiderable Mamie of duties had taken place on foreign spirits sad tea in the last year. There was no increase oa tobacco lead morlf, bet it must be satisfactory to home that those doilis still kept up to their former pitch. Their seams would not have bees see complete, hat foe the persevering vizi. lance. integrity, and spirit of the persons engaged la that collecting and (prevent ive services, to whom too snitch praise could not be given. As to the eouiplaist of the gallant Member, of As neglect of the departmesta is pee. &brie( accounts which were ordered, he world answer for that Government and all the °Seers world di, whatever they could to comply with the orders of the House. But they could hardly yet have deserved the reproach swat es them by the threat of the gallant Member, to Wag them to theater of the Hose. Such had bees the deemed for pa. pens by the Member., to aid their views of public mrcauree (very proper ones fee the ns to entertain, p.rhapp), that the duties of triflit of the departments were effectually isterrapt. ed, sad the clerks had been engaged night and day is pre. paring the various documents. He would towel to the !tallest Member so to dimel his motion to future, that Go vernment might not have, an in that fur the law exposes of collecting the reveune, set forth under different heads, to seed to all the out.ports before the return could be com pleted. He stated some particular papers, In preparing which the Owosso office* bad been in constant labour al most night -sod day, and yet it would be some weeks before they could be procured. Is regard to the pay of the Solici tor to the Exeter, instead of 40.000/. or 30,1401. or 20,0001. it was 9,0001. which was divided between two permits, and gave each a net income of 4,5011. Considering the extent and difficult nature of the duty, that could mot be cond. dered as too mach pay. The emoluments, however, of that office were among those which were to be referred, by the moons of hit Right Hun. Friend, fur consideratiou as to the pinpriety of irduciug them. The expeose of the preventive service, instead of 611,0001. was only 520,0001. a sum of so extravagance, considering the dielewlt nature of the service, and the necessity of effectually preventing the spoltatioo of tie high duties required to keep the reve nue. As to the siumbe: of places in the Where, that sub ject was under the considriation of the Conimisetuners, and all the unnecessary one' *mild be •bolialud. He piked the labours of the Commissioners, who had made twelve of the ablest reports on the records of Parliammit, and neter wet, soy sagg.stius:s of the same authority more imphewly übeerved by flioistt'r•. Another Cuinnitssiou bad berg ap pointed since for Leland, and it was in contemplatios to extend their labours to other parts of the kingdom. To the Drat resolution he ftet nu objection; to the second Ise must object altogether, ou account of the messy manifest errors iu it. In the third Mete ought at ;coat to he en •mentlaseut introduced, to alter the differeuce of rate Mere stated to of 11. per cent. If the Honourable eel tiellent Member woolJ only look over some of the large books which were prepared for him end the House, he would Cod mom of one infoimatiou he had called fur t• the pas em lie bed moved for. He asked how it wee possible ler tioverewieet in formals estimates of the expenses' trforl. would be wasited for collecting the rrvruue, whim the mamma of it nomt depend on the slate of trade and the va riations of the seamus . The e we. one motion to which Go. 'mimeo* would not object : if it were out done by say of she Geutienteu opp ante , G.....meet would ceriamly saki. the subject iutu th. it own hands he meant the dreamt.; some plan for reducing the emissions and muitifariou• ' , comets to some system of more simplicity. F.rim the leveret con. (lotion of them it was a common rang fur motions to be made fee papers which weds already gee the table. H• concluded by moriug the previous cseitiou. Mr. FIUME was surprised that the Hun. Member sheetd move the previous goestiaiti oo a Resolution to which he said he had sin objection. Mr. LUSHINGTON said arross the table, that If the Hoe. Member would look at the cubism of extremities,/ sources of reveour, he would find a mins of 3,000,0001. which ought to have been included is the statement of the gallant MSc, r. Mr. HUME said, what hi. gallant Friend comp:aimed of in hiamotement was this, that the tale per real. for the col lection of the Commits on Si,, gross produce, •misurated is the year 1811, to 71. 17e. 7d., sad io the lest year to el. 116., beteg so Motive of 11. Is 6J. per reel.; and to the gross produce of the Excise (boors, in ILO gunner year it was 3/. 170. 4.1. sod the latter 3/. lbs. Id. beteg au Ma'am of Moe-pence per Cent. Mr. LUSIIINGTON said, if the Hon. Member would go on to the end of the column, he would bud a note Is which it was posted that the rate of per reni.ge was cake hated on the whole mown of bird. the pm mamma and ex traordinary se tultellser. Mr. Hl/ME then proceeded to read the staiemeats from the paler of his gallant Frieutl, u.. 1 compile 110114 wink lest I::: Pis:eel:.twiltassbiaieumille.staly of cu e n i el son e o u s . sir i t o liat ch tt e ee: lima. in the Terrier, Worn, *bids held la tali but gslls•t Frirod way right and the H 416. 'Seer; 56 , 161 Perleve it world be said that be was reeding froartheavrtar is t Uoi oh eih re abr T . d . i ded . h h t e hh ic ae h o m b lipe a : a i i h e r : ed a f dli be e eal!kwari:lliehojimmig-hu:heidigitholsbentsidhreelbeeircduknfihigelrea, ...l iho i ll ee o g o( sr i a h s e ties hiud 111111111kal s ai 4 Mr. LUSH I NGTON lookiseg over it to point to the not in that paper —(lleBi9 Mr. HUME said, that was featly itio math. After ha his gallant Friend to took at the dote to a eertain i'n t 6; matement, era the Honoorable Secretary lookiep art a par r himself, a appeared that so such awe wise the be ' found. He tboatt,eht the How. Secretary would du /0211.1 . by candidly scknoveledging that he hail hi t an f i . :„ N attempting to coy-eft hio genie' Friend, mode a littl el He thought that even if his gallant Famed had been a ve. 'a ithnhaevheimsb;asatkamNaskfteillre:i:!;porwaliiiiisegethofh":bmiheseemd. o s" : "S io re n ed . hei T oW h! :" H ri ss igill a at' . "a ...,,,o-5.- 1 I cor rect sad they were nut 'lee to forme an estimate of the e y l •of the culleceios wed ensnarement of the rte.-aura witch meet vary accordingly as she latter increased or dimise•Ma. Ben the Hon. Secretes y very well knew that the charges whirls they prioripally wished to look at was that of the establok. meats, compared with which the vaelable charge beast mow, for the eseployaleat of as additioe s l num b er of e - y iho ee deeeripisness which received the lowest mlyiee, WWI light and trifling. H. could not shook the objects* had sky weight in it ; for if it were good at all, it *ogle equally well apply egionst the produttion of all the easimss, , •hie 6 were !treacly laid before the House. A. to she ;p ew , which she Hue. Secretary had read them about the' gyms Id the Treasury sad other department,, he would 4 4, how much of that 'ts eld. was owing to theme Ives? TlbeWs. G-settersan said, that paper. acre often called fee whirls h e Yield rove were already he toe she Hoare hat win e doh, did he n 551 poiot not that Get is, the La illation *hes arch papers were applied far, by which the tru.,ble of a wad time inalung thee. out would he avoided, and MINA live saved! Who W 32 1.1 blame, his lion. Fri-std who, hetet tu want of information to a particular point, siseoid is the How. Member ass servant of the papee• shit* hr iesitO, is order to obtain that inform/Mom; and afterwards moved lair them ; or the HUM. Secretary who knoemag elms the Mind information was contained in papers alre.dy before the Hosea, refeeeed en ti II him so, or to let ibis know •he.e ha might Sad it Bet In poem of fact the idea of such a gram of isouble and confusion a. the Hon. Sees-airy had 4. scribed, was aloagesher Mowry. On the Bth February, the Houle ordered • retitle of the establishment. in the mom. of the Customs at the oat-ports, chewing the number of perenne employed is each class, which morn led set el been made. Now he (Mr. Hoene) held in his hand a last chub was made up sad sent to the Theneery quarter, in which were contained all the detaile, to make a lois of which the Numerable Secretary bid told aim would raise • confusion in all she establishm, see ihoonis e ,, t the envoy) , ; sad be ()Ir. Hume) would posh make hosed( to extract from it la two hours all she parolee's's of the rehire which he had alluded to. Surely, then, ism chit is any of the offices at the Treasury might be expected ado it in two days. The estimates which bus /admit Fitted had moved Ilse ought to be reduced, in eider that the Hoene might have ass opportusity of eheekten soy approach is irregularity or extydragesee is she charge. If those felt. matee bad ansaally been laid beforeche Husae,• cheek wail have been ploy-don the increase of the change for anemias, le Scotland, for instance, the chair few retleetiag the tales WM, amounted to 17,0001.; sad in Inn to 311,1111. Did eV man think that such in ioesesse wool I bay gat Maffiestiosseet and usaccountert for, if site estimates loaf Ames every year laid oil the tab:e? Attie, if the Helde as lanced to the chrnrge of collectius, sad the grow anavet (the Customs in Great Britain in ISO sad 1841, they maid be tarp, iced to lad, that in 1807 the 'apnea of optimise ea 10,000,0004. was 606,6034 ; aid that in the year mediae 6th January, 1821, the roes *moral of the Castellie cm 9,337,0001, aid the expense of cube...doe 1,097,0001, being as iscreased charge of 400.0004. for colectsug a seat seam Was three a. indieridoal in the Humes •bo Amiga that if they had had before them as estimate 045054 soda an increase, it would not have been inquired how that esti mate had bees. made? Tho House would be sarrised, Pedlar , . 10 Sod, from a paper ',hob was bid ea the tOh last year, what was the iscrease which bad lake* place is the salaries of the higher appointments ow all the eschliels mesa essireeted with the reveoue say 1791. Is the Board of Tax". the salary of the GM Coinsais.ionet, la 17'0, was 9001, in int. 1,6001.; that of thew rued Comma nailer, is 1793, was 500/, sad sow it was 1,0001.; and that H the third Conywriuser was oleo raised so 1,00.11, from 6104; and so on in proportion were the salaries of the other peons in that depollutes' augmented The brat Cososaissioner 5.4 the Custom*, is 1793, had a eatery of 1,41001., fie nu. re setved 9,00014 the 'Deputy Chairman in 17113 raciest 6001. a year, bit salary was sow 1,0001.; dairyman foe. stern had a salary of 7601., he now received 1,70 1 1.; the chief clerk tall others had bees i e d in a like ir sportioa. le the Excise these were sloe Commissioners at 1,4001. year eat h, exclusive of 600 f more to each of the Charism la the Toessary, Stamp office, and any other dermas. connected with the remote-, similar regulations had bees made. These things aeeuunsd d is a great measure we the isercased charge of the cone-thou and masi•gentent olds re; sad they wore now sold that all that mild be done in compliance with the dealte of the Huai. et the close of last Session, to approxdnete towards the wales( 1792, was by a reduction so the amount of 10 per Yoh la the Cosioms In Scotland, their were lee Comaniatessela the Gist of whom, Mr. Berl, whom he believed to be a "Wl terious and efficient officer, received 1,6001. • year. Ms Commissioners beside the ire, as far as he wax isforwed, were all that we, necessary; and the other rims of OW establishment also might be greatly reduced At Glasgow, Greenock, and Leith, the romblishmeets are much too extravagant, lb. charge belag 12,0001. s.yesr fur each port. The Honourable Secretary had stated the cheer for the preventive service at upward. of 600,0004; he would ask whether that oust included the 60.0001. width wee to be voted in the "levy estimates fur that service! If It was included, the mentioeing of the won twste over is two different sett of estimates only tended to confuse tie statement; and if it wee not included, it should at least be horse in mind as en additisin to the charge. He Owe& It • questa,. worthy the serious attention of °overrates, •Ni. with? ? eh:: e lt e n d blishmeat ffe sa c il e b . l ii n y o p t o b l e a ati t ur or i t ter s. d . m i reg . t. but • trifling abatement of the high and extraeagent dunes would remove the ',monition. ir 1,000,0001. of Bien t up fur that purpose, the immediate diminution, fv"ic 01. -revenue would, lo fact. amount to no more thoi insomuch as they would save 600,0001. by the 5.5 hi. co. the preventive service. Wish pried to th. him kJ , , • he b to t a h h e o u o l fs d et e n gf eL ad p s bn • ed k m o w . oust was at e t I I I.; =apposed that a ovilicima somber of offieris might a 1 . • for the purpose, who would be contented with the reme. ml. from half so fell pay; bat if be had been rirlifle they drew their half pay, sad receiveJ herd's aryl, do e the amount of fall pay. The colonial eolablishments •( tit Customs were also most extravagantly conducted. He fol . ' I euisitslB:irs tari eretardsi. o f v tOOO edeidustaire: year, aid afire received a s sc r e e llec a service came home, and were sinersanuated or a Pt*: siun of 6001. • year. There was gee, a collector Iris' SC Lucia, be believed, who had a peasion of 50 . r._ a year; fur what was it supposed? becamee he hal l collector 111 Z years, at • eatery of 4,0001. • ref; 11 % every owe who kuew any thing of she colossi", fmeethrsea;nial a. that eillishelt::::aiiiramprioecbLb,laVern IsvaedialloraffwfliPs"4. C so w "l e a n bila be li a t l:ce u v hill i be Li nw t i l i t q a o u re :i a rc a t u he d ir :a lB" .. crois f :T ne a lle lat i e l:a e. : b rb i l : . e uirk . a "tse . :t h l i r r7 ss . 4 a se L nci .l e: L e u fella . ‘ f ill o telhel : Cllttl i e ; r : collector at a place called Seedy Point;" the Hoseuribia Member was taut Certeisa in what Wood The 1 7'r sispranasation and increase of a..laries was one wait! . whatever vessel the Noble Marquis might be plreW:,:', make on the low or high tone of his obscrvatioas , as °"_ list night, ought to be pat an cad to. It *as a lio r t _ it ko p r capessive, aid so liable to abuse, dal be thought dal B " I 1 • • • I • • ati di Jt In of 111 Al r ef e to his - hop et. Ht .I,d the it II tee 1 N I Ma SO■ tea( urtl t. than brie fete LI *ere 114.4 ••.. h.,, •