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but were not sufficient. From this sourre Aprmg the vagrants And _sturdy -beggars . spoken of in s9lige.. quent statutes, who wandered about forcing;uln-s,, skulking about isolated habitations, • and committing: every - specie*: of virulence and robbery— .Statutes: ''ere passed: the evil, however, was not cur--; ed.' After the diSsolution of the' monasteries, it arose to 'a arelter height than ever, and the only re medy then understood Ovas'greater cruelty in the-en aafnents. By the Statute of Edward VI, if a man was' found Sp have been without work for three days, he might be seized - asaslave by aity one Who could, lay hand() on lthn—he . might be branded with a mark' , of infamy, and, compelled to do any. work s ,. how,-, .ever vile," (these were 'the Words of the Statute) • and if he ran aWay, from the person Ikho so 'seized him,, before the expiration of 'a periodaif 14 years, die was guilty •of felony. This' showed. the state:, df society at the time, and the monstrous eiiiS that rell suited from the want ofan . eulightertedtnefhodOf prp .viding for the Poor. This Statute wassdon :repeal= ed,'but others of - g reat severity ,were ettaaed„ , this plan of severity was not done away unfit the,, Statute of Elizakietli.' • .The state of the F'tiiir came 1.1? ; y be the subje& of serious con s ide ra ti on during the; - - reign' of Elizabeth, and the resnit was thg „Statute, of the 43d. With these examples before us, we were to consider what would be the situation of this. Country at the-end of twenty years, if no relief or redress were to be.given to,the Poor ? All that sys tein that'fortned the cemeni between rpan.and man would •be done away, and would throw the needy .and profligate'lpose on society, and we would have an army of vagrants and sturdy beggars wander,. lug- about the country colleaing alms by , ,force. 'Others Might seize upon narlic•ular'4pOts, and say, " VOU do 'not give us relief we. will assert the rights of,' maitre, and occupy part of the soil here. It is-O ur right to save - ourselves from 'starvation if we can if .you do not give us food voluntarily, we will, seize it by force." This was a situation into which, lie CoUld•not risk plunging thecountry. 1 2 7. . by then,', if it was, not wise or politic to do this, for if it had,' been wise or . politic he would have dared •Co do it,' but if that was not, the case, what was to bedone • Why, if the Poor Laws were not to, be abrogated,' . , that still remained which Mr. Malthus proposed, and' that was, .“ that if it should be thought utiadviseable . to abolish the. Poor Laws altogether, means might „ ' be found to modify . and regulate . them, ,and to re move many Of the evils with which they, were at-, tended."• That was precisely the ohje& 'which" he' had in slew. He begged -leave to say,, that he had', no wild and enthusiastic projeas in contemptatipn,,"-: to do away poverty . altogether, and to provide-every One with a sufficient competency: s. The thing was , in-its nature. impossible. Man was born .to labour as sparks fly 'upwards; and :no sociefY • coric "xist.,. withoxdistinaions in point of rank and -w.eabli.' Those who maintained the. (- - intrary. were either weak enonah - not to gee the necessity, though • obvious, or wicked enouffli, for private purposes, to inculcate notions which they knew: , .could' not be reduced- to praelice. Every perspn - .. would Wish, no doubt, - that the peor should enjoy the comforts of•life.- It was the beneVOlent wish' of Henry the IVth of France, a wish:so - well ac cording with the charaaer of. that .celebrated Monarch, that he could live to Se.e ~the time when - every peasant In his 'dominions would be able to atiord to have a pullet in. his pot every day. for dinner. All must join such a wish, .but the was impossible,' and' we ought carefully to avoid the holding out of filse notions, which God; and Nature did not-permit- to be realized. He had' read in Collins's Account‘of New SoUth Wales, of a . notion that prevailed among the convicts, that there was a part of that country to which they. had been transported .which produced thb• fruits of the earth spontaneously ; and the delusion was 'so Strong, that many of these wretches set, of in- search of the-01),.., jea which they, had,in view, namely, an eeniption from-that . WhiCh 'is the lot of man. But .t4y perished in the wildernesS; and became the prey of wild beasts.. If,,therefore, the notion was ti/ be held forth that plenty was to be had without .the'poor would be thiqrably misled, and we Oiould all perish together. :Tire, objet lieliad in Viel,v to regulate, to modify,' and. to add to the proviSiiins made for the Poor; and if we should come to . a pc, riod • when these laWs should become obSolete„,4 thing of which .he did. not altogether despair, 'there would be the more .reason: to .reioice... His objeit was to make the Poor, if possible, absolutely-04)4meg to accept of relief, and to give them_the stronge:it motives to provide for' Iliernseives, and 'opportunities for that purpose,' so 'as to render them valuable mem litjrs* of society, instead'of being a burthen.to His.design •was•to exalt the mind of the e labogrer, and to give him greater freedom ; ,to stimuiat * him by. `rewards ; to render the bUrthens: more equal • to' make a parochial relief a matter of degradation ;• and to .discriminate between those who had been reduced to ,poverty by crime*, and those who had become Toot' .through misfortune, He would propose two or" three regulations with that view. In -doing this he. felt' it necessary to be cautious, that he might not open a door to new litigations, a thing which was par- . ticulatly. to be guarded against. On, that account he would not alter the denothinations.or the boundaries - of patishes, nor wonld_ he ii.jterfere. with. Courts of- JustiCe. He would not intrOduce any thing new, except where, it -should be called for bpall• -.the enlightened persons ,whO 'had; ~%. f ritten ,on the. sub,-,s! j ea, or, with ‘Oloat he had conversed. Nei:would:. he halter any part Of thu old Tegulations,; except,, where he found - that the, ajteratiop, had, be*ii, found to haVe• been 'good in pra4ice somewhere.!.. His' first objea was the eatatiOn of the...cl.arac-,, ter of the labourer; arid, 'Vitt/ that view, the ,cipal• point to be attended to Was, the education of thepooi. It.had been magnifiCently 'said. froin . t.laci, Chair, Which 'he (1-Ir. 'Abbot) occupied, doors of thjt House were A thrown wide open,' •__. 43d of Elizabeth, which had embodied the previous enaaments, and which it was believed at the time had carried the plan to the -0 - reatesvlfarfeaion., Many 'eoadrnents had been- tit a b cie.sini that Statute, in order to. supply the- remedy Itilierdit:was found to have failed in its object: Butthesc A.as:had all been founded on that Statute' ; " wiria - , 4 4hough it had failed in some - points,-had not been; conthderect as ra e dically wrong.. He hiniself - had' taktips t4r& - liberty. formerly, on. two .occasions; to propose rpgulations • oh. this subje.a. These. regulations :had not been adopted 1 . and oh • more matlre consideration he, had. fOund them so de - lea - live; that he had not noWernbodiehl . them in the measure which he intended - to Propose. Mr. Pitt too hadatternpted a reformation on , t hisstth jeCt but his.: projea.had proved abortive,.and his net paSsed...thronghiA its stages in this . House. It was not his intention: -to comment upeo •• -. that projel;,' - Which was . supported -in-'.a, strain of - eloquence Wh,ich must be long remembered -by the Members of Eimer Parliaments. Mr. Pitt had then said, that the 43d of Elizabeth was:tp.ipe - Considered'aS, the standard, as the Bible on that subject .j: he; ac cordingly founded his scheme on that,, : haSia.l.7_.Since that period a gopat revolution had, talten r plabe in the public mind with respe6t• tot be provisions of that A 6.1. Many cloqhted the -. .somidness . .of tite ;: priociples on which it rested.; much had been. said : on the subjea,- -rind muCkithq been written, w n he.at444 41Plailoso- Plier of no Mean name (Malthus) had _pronounced the Whole system •to . be.bad, and radically vicious. .positions were so clear,-and his 'statements sup ported in' a manner so luminons o as neVer.to have been excelled. lie'had reflected on his principles, and he was convinced -that they were fohoded in nature, and could not be ortertni - ried. But .his c. 16 -: duetions to the length tO,whicli he carried them, lie could not subscribe to. Though- he. believed -Ws.. principles - could. not be controverted,. yet he certain ly differed from him with regard, to - many of his con -elusions. It Was not for :him ; .to „enter, .-upen the consideration.of the. abstra&-qighte.wl-ich :ohe 'mart had with regard to-another--,Of the duty: of man to wards man—and the right which a man had to sup port from the soil on iwilich h&was7bornh•F'But ;to study these. things,-and to understand therth, , iwas •• the duty of a person who,: pretended .7torciffer 're- • guiations ou this subjeCit, for. it iwas.ortly - AVith That Understanding that he could propose.ohy system pr regulation which would - be .elfe6tual. But, whether man had a right to be supported by the soil . on 7WhiC..h . he was born, was a question which he felt it unnecessary to enter upon, for in a civilized cour try, and especially in this country, he, trusted that lie would always meet with support. He hoped, therefere, that there should always-be found-on statute-book a refuge for misery,even irbrOught oa by vice, much.-more if brought on 'by unavoidable misfortune. -But to go on with. the conaider,:ition of the subject of the Poor . L4Ws-,- e supposiiig their prin ciples, zs stated by Malthus, • prothoted misery • and eucouraged profligacy, the qaesticio - eaMe', , to this, " -dare you abrogate them at once-?-" had not nlet.• with any man wil6, with a distittO vievi.of the consequences that would folloW . ; . .04Otaiaech that titis Was , pra6lCable. The thing, indeed, was impos , - sible, as might easily be proved. The starvation; the misery and the death which 'would "ensue ; would tar exceed the :calamities which war could bring upon • a conquered people, and no future good could possibly result from it to counterbalance So enormous a present evil. The next question then was, whether a gradual abolition was _possible, to bring us back to the situation in which the country was 'before the 43d of Elizabeth. Two diS tinguishett writers had proposed plans with this view, and these were Mr: Arthur Young :and-Mr.• Mal thus. The" projed of Mr. Arthur 'Young had' the, authority of a late Baronet, a Member'otli4"Hous6, Lenieaitt Sir W. • Pulteney, who vas: -always heard :ti,ith deference and respeEt.- He concurred with Mr.' . Young in the opinion, that the Poor Laws Might be got rid of by gradual step's towards their extinc tion, • The projehl was, that a shm•equal to 'w hat had been raised •in the past year 'should.he allowed; -aac-divided smongthediffereat diStrias, and that an intimation 'should then .be given that no more would be given in the ensuing year, by which Means it :was exoe(iled that the sum would beat last' the- merits of this schenie- be need not ceder at present, as it bad been recited by • Mr. Maitims, who had proved that it was erriitiOns',. cl7hol, and impossible to , be 'ca?ried into 'keeutiott. He fek it necessary to go at same renetiFtot'oeihis subject, and trusted the House' WOult(tbear'. with him, .considering the Maghitude of the object whlch he had iii .view-, he need scareely . .sOrkitihelF- , ind'al ilrence. At pre.seht he could - rneet wit hp"OppoSi titan_ but what might arige from A irit'efft'Aikt-liirrn• conviction of the inetliciency or dahger of hiS praPo sitionh Ho would uudoubteclly have the wishes' Of every one for his success, and he felt it iris duty to shew, that he had taken , pants on the question.-4 . miss Ppioloo .withfreg.arci to Mr. YOutig's 'plan coin r th part of Mr.~ Ifithe,plo4 . vfere a:lopted, - famine Would destroy . -mahy, - and pesti leoce more. - He had hiniselfobserVed where- pesti jeneehad been stopped -by time ,proper application:of charhcy. IWlyat v. , Puld'have . 17een - the ca.ge Yuen - g's plan bad heeh adopted in this. case?:•Wotild . not the: pestilence have increased, and F . lgllrnyed vast numberS ? If the . rigi.?t to guppoq e4l4ed, • it:: existed in an üblimitted degree, end . no Could be • i.itawn except you touk-1 lioait necessity itself.: :Malthus had proposed the only other plan • fcir.the gradual Abolition of the Poor LaW, that seerned - .at'all • .adequateto the objeef.,l-1 is proposal Was,that• ` 7 aregu-' t ion should he made that no childhern from any mar ' riage takire , place at 'the expiraitionefayear from the . ilate of. the}aNiT; shoUld be, entitled to .any parochial relier.'—(Maltlitis,. - page. 538). Now, • supposing this-plan, to be - adopted, th6re would be ;- a constant kud.anchclashing amo n g thew who should• be en titled to - .parochial relief, and those who were not, and Whoa the period arrived at ,which - .1 - to relief .voil;d: ,t - auted, what would be the situation of the •country 'A Right Honourable 6'entlemati over= the way, (Mr: Rose),W - hoilad reflected on this subjeft, and made many useful • reports, had consi-, clered What would be our situation ; supp os ing th e Poor Laws did not exist in order to have a proper view of this, we had only to cohsiderlsiaat had. been the coh.litioil of the country before the •Poor Laws Were enacted. • When the feudal system began .to relax; the number of the poor began to increase, and even as early aS.Riehard.lL severe statutes were against vagabonds and-beggars.. monas:, - Series at that time,' however, were a great resource, to Petition's of all sorts- 7 -[these were.the wotds - of . Mr: Abbot ;when some doubts had been ex•presSedir whether the . Lancaster Petition,. in tha case of—Mr. ' Cawthorne,, ought to be . received.]--=His object- Rat; to throw the doors of instruetion wide open to the' , poor.- fie,begged of the HOuse to consider Eije dif- • ference. bet Ween man . inhis rude, ana in hi s civilized,, state. If any thing human could . be-ruore cletr:vted'; than a . brute, it was man' in his uncivilized state, When every bad passion rage 4 - ; witil unrestrained fury. HoW wide the diffemike asAic-3PpliOnchect a - period , of civilization, and att.flipe4 • „ • state of society which existed iii this cptiutry;.. a dyiliiect state'he.woi4id afi;rm, howergr..nitich.it might militate against vulgar prejudices, that the vices , ti' i 1.4.e,0P persons in indigent circumstances wbo had -werefewer, andAhe .v nines greater and More nunlb- :liTtftitlit,uplarke ifa - Milies - *, , it hent parochiSl relief, and tow,. He would , therefore propose, that tlie wholclof ri - dhigear f 'ilre late p - olt6 of - Bedford for his active bene the p.opt)lation lion-ld have the means of dog niringin , ?ri:r?.)l4ll,Pi r aileh As*"eS." , 1-1 e approved of these re f n.matien; PreAdices had existed against enlightening fr'kittrWtlatigi.tgii - lie did_ not think there Would hive the ,peopl, but thec had now, in a great weasittire;dis- I been Mau_ claimants, but he had been agreeably sur appeared: He begged them to - look st an uninformed .., kirised 2 NctitTdlthigalmants nornerous. The effects mob., and observe how easily they were led by the btlir4-f:.'1(44-,.ihrtEnit'ailYlpersiinS who would have been obliged -fling and the disatreaed; and then Witt trk timo-pfact ;: . -to' have recorirsc,,to-..likesChllartelief.tiOW'Scorned it. ,was exposed and overturned.before an er ili g h - thned aSk4 i- - ,l4kiVailti:ilierefore isropose, that- Justices should sembly. lie. would . ask „whether AristideSr Woutfl - f•-:laPtQ 4 - iefioVer:bfgranttng rewards of this nature ac!. ;;have. been banished from -.Athens for his haying - 1 edtkliir to' the' number of children ; and he would gained. the sirname of ." The JuO,t," if his*J'udteV+ l -44eprciP63 - 0, 7 11 - iat arch persons should have some jiad.been enlightened men,.-- insfekldf - being; like the • lir4eliif d'ffinAion to point 't?„lflll'at - they had been illiterate fellow - who could , neither. read ner"Writer- . ! . .eorieftleied l aSiineritorioui r 'ptrsons- .' This - would be a . , I , . on whose card Aristides had ~,written 44'; ow /1 , 1 . cheap • stitnplUs • tn.. induStry; and . a po w erful . one; 1 , natne,?.... He would -- ask- WW4tbet. Or -the an,. 7 t crogi..sasarntran vs.tond of distinetion. A hothefthing Nrllicli 1 aner De Witt v,,r : otifd; ltav:been torn in V ipte`dei - ! lie-,lCOnitiiisPo§6, 'vvi' to- give seeurity to - the pro r! PO e4lighteuedassembly,?, or whether, if the.people;itrp?ttp!miztithtbtlit3or-sletfid adeun) u late. He could not jiad:been ehlightened„-the ! -seenea - which:hifd ., been• :--t7A•onbikibiti:Otsdir , to , t 4, sYsfein of fiircing . thetif the s'sourge,and.. disgrace of, this Itnetropeliisltr igrii rite it egsfen3kiOf their Money. -He 'theught it ought (Lord .Georg., Qordon's. : riots) could --, - hlecifit-ialtagr; tcbdtsil 410."4"Wilhe - h;7; otiqi -, -clibice,- and that there pine? ,But he, would refer to- the Conditidr4trihe: zilluitlai liA,t o ttt lipt*interferehce ,kith the m a s pos , poor ,in Scotland ; .wherethe Poor Laws . lrattro4dnieirS43l-f..cfrihnni4t;.lves were generally the wisest measUre become obsolete 4 -autl what was thiS,eiretlins: ntinaptit 0411t1t rittperty..: But it often happened ~stance owing to, .but to the'etfeas-af-stipetitit etia.r4:ll4diibi4.4ikit::44-4nnhey , .Which 'they 'had' saved, altion.. . A misconception , existed witiv're.SpeCe...46,:tdSlileAntidt-Vniti?proper , security.-- . He would pro : ROtland;lhe fiet..w as, that..a .system of 'relief Of the, kitninotl*leittire l•-thetliod: by Which-this evil might be same nature.witb,iliat of the : -BngliSh .Poor Laws esl . - , floifradld;• . : ne :thought the - notion' .cf county banks, isted . there, but was never resorted to, ekqeptill. eased- I:iStarte4::l7y.Mr, Maltims, eould'hot be reduced to prac 7 of, extreme necessity.. Decisibris:bithe'Conrt-of Ses-':' - :tiee;imr/ta.-he -- .‘voliliPprotibse•theret'i'ire'Wiis, that cer sion,existed compelling relief., but this resource Was'- sain . -"Conlrnissionbts - sllduld •be - appointed in -.Lon seldoin resorted to. He had received-much assistance i dOrt to manage::r{ - Fund ivhiell slut ld lie called tizs 'on :this' sub e jeal,:ftom a Gentletnan. of 'disfingtlißllc4;. ,Pooite . . Fautl.;* That every:poor Man sbOtild have , -• ' .: : longingtO any, talents, ; Ix ho had, pya4tised at . the bariti Sciiillat)dothe ,, , , pTol.4.llroc:so - scribin g -' , ici this fund; the'le w eit and Wasl'now a Member of this 1-IOuSeTM•r..-Horner- 40h46riptioh :,h e i ng ,96i sliill:thgs in the year, and, perhaps).. ,l found that tbe, poor in that c1p1411 7 ,, ; the_bigbest...s); thatstite Miel e -Sin n be. , i.i try had once b-en in a sit tr iiiorL flo 1 0$5 d re adf u jiton- . -, inf4tvidusbvtifd'isot be alloyed-to exceed 2001; that the poor - of England had' been in the earlier-peridds., ,ill6-.inte,re4t, :W. - herr 4 it...4rnounted-'4o',ten Shilfings i . Of our history, but that after Wards their condition: . Should transin ited- and there shooshould be had - been - So much altered for the better,,, was:it .un- .no dukies.paid:on stamps, and. that .theletters.:,On this; ~, • reasonable to expect that the same effe6ts would' beLif)jee't should be free' of po s t age. He Would ale q ,.., `produeea in - En g land; if the sametneansWereiap-, : , .: provg? , g i that therriciney.,inig-ht•be ,Vesttdhfilistitince4 plied -? Ike begged leave to ,advert to the.clesCrip-, ,-o wico ngogepoes . -,, care ,4eiug :taken- to calculate - so a% . t ion of the poor of scotland„. in 'Alas,. by .Andrew it Aely#o9),tintaterjeo;•• ,- These' Were the regixlati” - Fletaner. - ' kaPpeared that then there : .were no lesl l Abbtiolik/y.hv,,wonl&T . .prOpose ' for • exalting,the:eha ' 'than - 200,000 - beggars, , Wanderin4 -about frouriTotg A 9 ,r 0 944 oabcAgrer. :They. :would do timeh,..l 4 2; to door,- and though the, untnber:_was..grmtly iii-.; ,- are 41#1. : *mairced—still to • . bt 'done. . Arr.' Whi t ., 'Creased 'by the peCidiar" clistreSseS,ot that _tinae-„4et : 0 - ..• tivii4::,i-proceeded: to 'state - 411 A • the O4 of that no less than 160,060 . of this . descriOcto-',geoe-:. di zatkibn - Athet;)3ible- (inj:the opinic>n 'citl its eulo g y tally exiSted; an enormous , number uotwideringllie ~-isiSVn i tilb'itk.tAhe. present - subieet, , enatiecl-•*tt in state of the C o untry at that tithe... These,stere , 24-c. !;eVT1 1 141#41.:47a , . , .-rate - should heraised---; ::liaViiiio: ' were ' diaed to' the meSt abontlinable vices. .Th 0 , -fgariTs ! • , 1 9„119 1 - - trtit:79ftequal .r.•• :their fet pea iiite '''Otireo of I , had incestuous intercourse with .their own daughters', .p, 4,an5,,-,. end ,-canseqlfen tlyi , t-tifit;' , poillfibiitiOns' : raised ';---Many 'of . them remained 'unbapp 7,e, 4 ; . a pd, N yhen opportunity offered, they had recourse to robbety and: ,a9 1 1tg,W45,.:0 1 74.. t• to 'Order to, - . equatize t'll - p Ito 'Murder'. The remedy Which'Mr,:.Pletther 'propoed, . -.. ot:•,.the oonn tie s,-th*.-•mor e : Wealthy parishe's wOO was tO'give abetter education to the poor: Thet .•ithe :,Phliged *0 z - loake --- gOod - .piel'ilailcit. of each .0t the system of education began in Scotland,. - and . to'hOr- ,:,-z pc9rest ; parisites, .2 and . 'thuS*6-sst , ef . pacislies'Were row - a quotation once made use of:bv Mr. Burke=- - •, L assessed tc(Znpped"Tt another.- ' The distrtbittiOn'O'fidis !,..:, : Arias vitts - 4 , hought-tOoebnfined. , .Heobje4ted then to . shnui alt nautis . ~:Oatietsabirval! lye.tioinght they'Wbutd . pr - tive diffieult i,traioicap," - ::arid4k)equsl in their operpon. :National 1 !Prteswtritlttge to , affeot 'the t rade..of the Coun tr y ; in ..ntiroportion!aS" the- rates Were smail, - se ,would the Aligributionte email; The parish of Spitalfields vvos,. a .I.lnrcifidll . the.inadequacy ,of . the present s ystem. i n ,liigtlianrish , there *as , no' oPulenthouseholders, 1 . 11( ' podr were adually Hying on the poor, and the pi' that was talcnufroai- one- part to save the o;ovr.....titti dying .ot. hunger, indangerect tii the sarn6-deb-ree tio firs.,t,;ithe j tnenliiiho employt hoSe thanuftairrerS I i \ c ~,ficiagke4l:am theparish, and accordingli , lii;e - !n y rOiliiiig•,their,Tovei!ty. -, 1114 pc Hill such : as this, _,•)lrliatiec4l4-beexpeOed from' tilt piesetiti'.systeni of . ..p.tr,rptgs,v,i : kfen . o!Ktongst , the counties; the itaniircic vtlitsrgp(4*(les do . not :pv aqsmOdii aslibe'lgiii!iiitttral : )..:oJlKi4ti a dit sh oat :I ,pr opose: th'en;iliata gene'rali(..l - . 04.inatie.,in.-t-lio second 'ci - 4'etetis',,,ession of . pycwilwav : ,-h,y :T all"the different- Cii;erse'eiS', Of Elle ,aver944 o ,Aroonnt.. of. pa-or:rates 'levied- ' for • tlie three, - I,is ft4l- . Cedilig ygerS ; • mild if aiifiiiii'ili , lia'id um- 0 ,tliall• dotlble:,,tlN...4muunt or cob rit' nftt , ',''Yliar:pa)-ish ~ :44QA1- ? :ne4 o 4eved, t the .ifmnuntoil fie deficie - uCy' cif county Irate! t The county ra4WatTtedib - -li . put upon abetter foot ipg, .. •rt IpAs . 'sate,bakt . :beetv.filklif- in the iirn? 9 1 1.Cigg : Waliani, and the iiies.sthiiltiftle On- Itirrired itf tl-if s.true Av.:ly since. . . file skent?Kil s i.builL rate i ii;is,seem., regulau.,l by. : the _Poor shale; .-anti te tAtiill-0,1-tVv,=Dr.. sevYritii.Year. —Ea ShOttld- propose (I,?alf ) ?l4JA - i. i h)artof tli e, coLioty ratei tkon I d .t.;.i-11 on t?, , d e V r i 4:„ 3 , 1 4.• v - ,„ l i-i I P . ProAnt:tiYa - ,:.abe . 4''t s should e . :ttitti_e; 'll . N i a VT. ; ! ?.,1 1 ,„V . ,, .-Yi.g. ~ .atiother, ' Opinion Hof k ~,,,,,,,,,,.,..„t,blF Myiter, ,. .be had :50 . .....fi1:en• cited ( 1, ~,, ,, F, roiaotts),,,,:y,Ncllopillop he . : (Mr. Whitb re ad), 66 'll ,helms - prejudice.. ...ealit4ted to e l *: s ?- - ; , -st!"9sg . -179Pri)4090 '•.° of. Mr:. , 5 Arthni irpg 016:9f:sunly - H,ing, ; llx pOor : w+th habitariOn4: a' Cotta l', and i• cqrtairip:cu*cit).'s;: zt.c.:... Here .hh . cliOeied.'fror.i.';qr:-144Tilips-Re '.stiotald 'propoSe,' that a po..ver e give -.n. AV the:Church 'Ward ens t o : : enable . t hem to let our. . c r cittilgii;to , ..thC pOoi, and 'tO- ~ ;enable . th Q.. , parishes tt3purchase•land to build'those .Ottages •upon.. ' 'Much-.as . . • he , resPealed •the talentS,,,,• e.,-/i3O; cen - upended the .t untl:intentionS "of the author hshad. - ,j - q§,talitzded: to,. .110:!' still t,loight his .b6Pk ', was one thati-,should: be -read -With Caution: it might tend-to harden time' effect, he ,was confident, the writer 'never intended to produce. The. Honourable, Qsatlemt ad 7 . li6Xt. : pl'Oeeded to a. consideration- of Abe AfestrieS, - and . proposed ma n y holes ,. • 'for the better:- regulation , ot their meetings. iin i Alf ol cijiii?ezCs- Poor ,Lavvs 'hefound. tliar .. l. Con- Itr i t - Asl9 t tchAbe Myr-rates Nv.as a neceiSary'qualitica. lkopiAt'Nygt9ritti. vestries: . lie 'ems again , ,t this rule "P6..ili?Ailt the sutra - too gret,' and was of ' opi- Nli n tkac, 3i: kt. would be better' to enlarge the MeL.l- - . irto.biA4,,t9,..,tile,present mode of relie+,;ing the poor, • Ithere.was.a'radica error, as appeared from this cOn 'oi4eration, that there-was-no shaMe attahed; to th..... friecessity of being reli6ved, as' 'Well' as the'sii,x,iio4 . jmPolicy. 9 f puttiog the.idle in abetter coirditicui than the .:honest and persevering industry of the. laboo- ,ink,kasani,st an possibly place . hini in. tie shoal(' ; propose also an entire, modification liithe Work kiOnse.: system- i .. to- ::which, as it at present .stooa, he professed biinselftw - ftiend. ' Re - shOuld"prOpose too, ,-. that the different ' . Conti try ''Jil slice's., 'is.hould be ern . - - - -. ‘ . . , oo weYe,d i 10.,: - examine and - :clisoriMina . te hetween the! ~ cri 4144 . abctititfocelt.ithoii rive flonourible Gen,. Om . "ol,ecttit. - entled‘ . l . ciith thoVing - --" That leave be , iiiv, kliaitgliitiinoo 11-Bill foCProirn;ting titt_. Encourage , 1 - 1(14-qd6-titilustryin tine labouring class of rise Mil , : Ingtleoritiff fdr•tlie more' effeCtual relief and regula ; oniii4i ; t4l4)iiriming and necessitous - POor." . . AftthoWeCifiVersat ion between Mr. R os E, M r. Cm..- ) loiVtitliTSTuadEs Bou a I.VE, Mr..ELLisoN, Lord I' ofki : AF, Sir 3, NE , Vro.uT, and Mr. 13a.kpoE 8.1.. Stella refulsit. 'Dettuit saris agitatus humor Cwlcidunt trenti, fugiunt'que nubes. aTV • , the . etil ceased, and the whole was„asciibed to, the etreas of edticationto the. systeM rochial schools. • To thisthe I prd Advocate of Scotland,' 1803, Then the sithjee - fof these schools was before 1 the House, ascribed the good morals of the Scotch. He stated, that from Mapehester alone, more cion'vias were sent-abrOad. than 'from the whole ofSFotland ; and that no.naore-than six persons annually Opon,an average .suffered: .capital pv.nisbnient in that' corn try. These:sehOols• indeed 'served as a sea' of pare meterl6' ascertain , the state of:the poor in' SColland.: ►-The Poor tawathete had 'lately been 're-torted to more than usual.:•: The salarieS of the schoolL:rnaSters. I,being -only the same as it was 20 years ago, it pened for sometime that some schools i.yere'aEfually, given up, and to this cause night the evil hi preperly .ascribed.. Inexaa 'proportion- therefore-te the Tagernent of educatioo; -:was the prevalence of good order-in society. He had said ettou4h he believed, to convince.the House 'oftheprepriety of introducing •; plan.Pf.educntton into his 33i11. mt . at a . tcoderate,expence •;;• bat- if the thit.l'shotild be succes4ill, the ,expeitce was no colv;idertation.:. - N.V.fi1t....! ever i.t might be,. it would be repaid ten . JIA in hard- money, and more than:that in the Unproved state of ,thepeople in point of morals and thrntort,... - L He whci. had been ,a friend..torefc.frm And still vi•as a: friellul to it, thought that thi.v . Ould be-the `G's;st method to accomplish ObjeCt. •In +life - intertit between Mr. Pitt's :,1 lan and-,this tilnd;. a 4AT of . education had been -,partially set. ..On feet, whiBii, he was, happy to: find had "received the Rbyat . Ritionl age. was so plain: and so Sirtiolified, migh,Kinstly, be called a grand di'scovery;:He' a}litdeci' the system of Mr. Lancaster. .11.e•thought that thiin' had met with difficulties from prejtatlie;ed 'persOna;'yet he was. happy to-find that it still - retained the Royal. patronage. However opposed by, bigetty, it 'Would finally succeed. It was not to be expected that such !a thing shouldhecome universal at once ;.but.it could ,not. be smothered , .and it would one 'citly . pre‘ . .pil n nimrsally. The second. plan which: 4nieatit to propose. for exalting the - ,charaaer of the la bourer was that which bad been proposedhyM"r.Pitt, :•and that was to throw open the law of settlement's altogether, which produced more jealouskaodheart, bumings, called into iftion more bad paisions„ and . , gave occasion to•Mcire litigation than . alinostany thing, else conneaed wit h the Poor taws. He then went 1 into the history 'of the Ad of Settlentent, by which a person...havinz,.resided three years without interrur tion intone place;- Was entitled .to relief. Mr. proposed five years, and this was was. the titne on Which Ile had .:fixed,. and he would add, that. : no person having been convi4ted of a crime should have the, be,nefit of this.. .The overseer, he thougbt, should . have the power of examining to . what payish'any person belonged before :this period of residence was. expired,..which would entitle'hiM torelief rem the parish where he dwelt. 'An 'apfeal should lnwed, to the Quarter SesSionsi and this to be decided 4pon Within two 4essio.is troth , the . tune of appeal. :• o ,At present- no, notice' taken of the:cir 7 , 7 Uumstanee of the propel. of each till the: time.. .I, ) yhen .a person Was dying`f dead,' and NVlin in con;.; se9oence the ..besr lou'rce.of information was lost. 140:ond ti is'he would . propose that 'Quarter Sessions.. siloalit4rant rewards to labourers under confined Ari. tr 4.5: t;:ni.• ! ,'s,. a stimulus to industry. It was well'• that many •p6tsomj, Who, from . a laud-able. Ni'ac 3il3lTled to be indebted. to parochial re 7 ~ •.-tn-ts fon:ed. to . it by nocesSity, and having had, 1 . -.•cLirrt-se, to it o - tfcz.v had . `l Est that prideand soatne. Is:He aj-yerted to ;the beneficial effeelS of the Ilenefit l'S.;46etie::, and the rei,i , ,u4.6writouciii 4‘griculturjl JO- 4 41.; ~' 1 , 4 kl 4. :` S 1+ l~ .