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teat an!: explana ias whatever. He adverted to Ma I ,Maiesi's Speech, which was expressive of great anxiety for preparations for our safety. Alla he adverted alao to thlasentiments expressed by an Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Fox; when that Speech was urdcr considervinnt In that House, who had declared that he . .tna'd voted for. the Addrea, because it pledged the 7elootc, its his apprehension, to nothing which had a tent - le:icy to sorgisient .our Peace Establishment, he being of op i n i on , t hat such Establishment might tfely be reduced, and avho expressed that opinion etrongly, by declaring, that tha best way to preserve Peaceavaa to reduce such Establishment. He alid oot Imputed/ to his Noble Friend, that he acquiesced in any - such sentiment, but he atated that, to shop the necessity' there was for accompanying a Motion for such an augmentation as this in the Peace Estab lishment, with some explanations ; for without some such exptanatipos, as necessary ground for the in crease, there could be none, upon the principles which Ministers - themselves had declared. Circum stances had attended these Estimates, which never attended any other in time of Peace or War, which he found himself bound to declare ; that al_ though he approved of the augmentation a,Ylich was now proposed, the proposal for the augmentation was originally for three months—the vote of to night propos d it for the year. Now he should wish to ask, wherefore should that vote he con tinued for the year ? He admitted that the present moment was full of care and anxiety to this Coun try, with respea to the Affairs of Europe, and that Parliament could not do better than to assent to a large Establishment. But then he admitted, that when such an augmentation was proposed for three months, the natural expeEtation was that some point remained to be decided—something of Negotiation unfinished—some measures to be adopted, which a large Establishment might he serviceable in bring. ing to an issue ; and the House would be unwilling to place Ministers in such a situation, as that for want of a due force, they might be led to a prema ture conclusion of any undecided point. But there was nothing of this kind here, or if there had been any change taken place, it must have beers' a change which has taken place since the discussion of the King's Speech, in that House. He wished to say nothilag uncivil to any Member of that House, least of all to the 'Noble Lord (H A witassuity) ; but if there had been no change in circumstances, since tie discussion of His Majesty's Speech in Parlia ment, he must be allowed to lament the flunuation which has taken place in our Councils, and which rendered it necessary that this establishment s hould be voted for a year insTead of three months. He would not have it understood that he objected to the vote, on the contrary he approved it highly ; but he lamented that such a measure had not been held forth as necessary before that time, and reasons assigned for it, before it was proposed. He begged ;cave to subscribe, however, implicitly to what the Noble Lord had stated In explanation to-nioht, and Le thought that the debate of thl: evening had well provoked, because it had produced irorn his Majesty's Ministers declarations in which he had the 'highest satisfaBion, and which came from a Noble Person for whoa - ) he bad the most un altered affeaion. He rejoiced in toe explana tion which had been given, for it would afford go the people of this Country, a knowledge of their true situation ; and he was sure, it was in vain to attempt to describe it less critical that it was ! It flid nor, however, follow, that Ministers were ad vocates for War, by the preparations they were now making--they might see this Country, at .present, without such a preparation, in more danger than if it were in a state of War. Seeing our situation clearly, it was our business to profit by it ; and if ,we apprehended danger, it was our business to pre pare for, and to meet it. And here he must agree with the gallant Officer on the Bench near him, that preparations in the present state of Europe, against the taking of a Ship or two, or some Colony in the West Indies, would be miserably inadequate to the situation in which we stood, for that s'ie ought to he prepared for our danger in its utmost eiitaemitya-s-We were to prepare, not only for the pOssible hostility of France, but against the treachery and perfidy of France —We should be prepared not for what it was probable she might do, but what it was possible ahe would endeavour to do—To pre., pare ourselves, not only for a possible attack in some distant Possession, but also to be prepared for the possible event of an invasion of our home Do minion ; not only as the first declaration of War, but even possibly before any such declaration shall have been made. He did not pretend to say what those preparations were, it being not his habit to consider that branch of the Executive Government, but he mentioned it in _ 'general terms, as in his opinion a necessary caution, leaving . it to those Ministers, who were most Cor!yersant such subjeas, to take such steps as might be necessary for such a purpose, always 'wishing it to be understood, that in the force which we prepared, we colleded it with some reference to such a possible eztremity. With such sentiments, it was itnpot;sible that he could objeEt either to the present, •or any augmentation that could be pro. posed to our forces : but having said this, he thought it incumbent on hire to glance at another subject, in which the speech of his Noble Friend bad not given hitnt any satisfaetion whatever —he 'team relative to the affairs. of Switzerland. The Noble Lord would certainly understand him as having not the slightest intention to allude tv him personally, if he dropt a single hint tend ing to bring into doubt 'the propriety of His Majesty's Councils upon that subject nothing :ould be more distant from his intentions than to convey the slightest disresped of his Noble Friend. ::" , lor could he be supposed to allude to any deficiency tither in the taleoci or the seal of his Noble Friend, for 'full disehatge of the office which he held.— VC was well aware no man tendered the Safety and the Honour 'of this Country more thati the Noble Lord, but he must neverthelos be adinitted to take notice of the ~übjetl of Switzerland. "He thought that the House was epiitlea to expedi same explana upon that matter, Which had hitherto been passed s daer with a studious Silence: What he wished to know `was, Whether the and the flonottiof the Coun ,... try was an any *Sty committed upon that question, and f 'cam9ttteil, how, and in what 'marner, had the filed e t eon redeemed? 'Upon that stibjed he irustar, t'hato - Oer'now s or 'atSome future 'period, an exs, plari3tion would be given. He could not, however help again repeating, that it was a Matter much to be lamented that proper explanations did not accom pany such Votes as the present--for they ought to come from Ministers unsolicited by any Member of that House. He was satisfied that the circ4m- stances of Europe required the present Augrnentl tion, and, perhaps, greater ; and therefore- it had hi 9 most cordial concurrence—but he could not late for it, without this species of explanation. TN ATTORNEY GENERAL said, that the course which this Debate had taken was sO extreme ly extraordinary, that he felt gre.it difficulty in ()Tering himself to the House, and yet be knew .00t how to suffer the Debate to Nss unnoticed. It was mnst extraordinary that persons of the sentiments wh:ch had been professed to_night, and on former occasions, should have accompanied those sentiments with the observations he had heard to_night. A compliment was expressed by the Right Hon. Gen tleman who spoke last, to His Majesty's Minifters, for the Vote which they proposed now to the House, and yet he censured them for observing a per_ leaf silence and reserve, or rather concealment of the reason they haffor proposing such Vote, which rea son, when given, was that which was perfenly notorious, so that Ministers were censured for being Filent on what had been already spoken, reserved on what had beet' already communicated, and for concealing that which was already notorious, namely, that they proposed this vote on the suite of things, as known already to every man i 0 !he Country. This was certainly very curious ; but who were they who complained upon this occasion ? Not those who, by their former declarations had given them to understand they expefted the Peace Eotablishment to he reduced, particularly an Hon. Gentleman, who had on a former occasion declared himself clearly in favour of a reduced Establishmeot (Mr. Fox), but who was not present at this mom*. That Honourable Member had said a great deaLs,ri the subjuft of . reducing our Establishment, paid insisted on it, that a large Establishment was likely to provoke hostilities, and had urged a species of reasoning which the House did not seem to assent to. However, if that Honourable Gentleman were now in the House, complaint against Mini sters would come consistently enough from him, because this Vote was so large. But the complaint came from those who agreed in the Vote, and thought it came at the present time with pecu liar propriety. If Ministers came and proposed 50,000 men, without any thing extraordinary to require it, then some explanation might reasonably be required ; hot to requite explanation of that which was notorious, and to censure those whose measures were approved, was a novelty. This made him turn in- his tw) mind a question, whether there was not something more in this business than was brought forward before the House ?—At the commencement of the Session the House heard a speech from the Right Hon. Gentleman who spoke last, an able and an eloquent speech, representing, in warm language, the 4ati g elS of the situation of this Country, and the necessity of vigorous measures on our parr, and applauding the Address then proposed ; and yet now Ministers were to be censured.—li any Gentleman were to come into the House of Commons in the . middle of the present dele!te, iie would be led to suppose there was a vehement op_ position to the measure proposed ; but what would be the surprise of such a person, when he was told, that every one of these Gentlemen approved highly of the measure which their speeches appeared (Acne lated to condemn.-- 2 11ere the House was assembled on a question in which there was no difference of opinion, and yet there appeared to be much discontent —One would suppose there Was something proposed which called forth the real indignation of some Mem bers, and yet what was the end of it ? Why, truly, that the measure now before the House was just what they themselves would have proposed, if they had had. an opportunity of proposing it; which proves to my mind, said the Learned Gentleman, that if they had an opportunity of proposing it, you would not have heard of their Opposition—lt is not then to the proposal that they' objed, but to the Man who pro. poses. The great ground of objection with these Gentlemen is, that they have nothing to objeft to. Indeed, it has been stated with great candor to. night, that if Ministers were removed, every thing would go on very well ; so that after that, there was no mystery in Gentlemen appearing to censure -Mi. nisters, though, in their consciences, they were bound to applaud their measures. Ministers say, 44 We do not" think it advisable to commence hosti. lity at this time." 4- -,, So do says the Right Hon. Gentleman. Ministers say, 44 But it is pro. per that we should be prepared for the alternative, if hostility should become tinavoidable."4,--" So do I," sa ys the Right Hon. Gentleman ; and yes, by his manner, one would suppose he held a contrary opinion. The Learned Gentleman concluded, with expressing a wish that Gentlemen, while their votes were for . Administration, their manner should not appear to be hostile. Dolor LAWRENCE expressed his dissent from the sentiments of the Learned Gentletnan.—lt was the mere artifice of an Orator to take off the at. teUtion of his audience from die question in debate, to individuals, who took a part in it. He main. tained that Ministers.hadnot laid before the House . proper information, preparatory to this. Vote. He censured the ptattice - of voting any thing upon the rumours of NewSpapers ; they were not authentic sources of information - fit for the proceedings of the House: they ought 04 vote nothing but on official information. He did not objed to the vote, but he feared it might be found too small. He then took a view of Political Events upon the Continent ; hinted that France was inereasing•her strength with the most alatnaing vigilance, while we had been neglecting 'ours, &c. tor which he disapproved of the conduct of Mipisters, and .expatiated on the above topics at considerable length. After which the question was put and carried, and'all the Resolutions were read and agreed to. The eV ANC ELLOR of the EXCIIFQUkR moved, that the House do. to-rnorrow resolve itself into a Committee of Ways and Mean.--- 7 0.1 - 4cfeS,.' He then gave notice, that he should then propnse the An'n'Ual Malt Duty, and also to raise Five Mil lions on Exchequer - Bills, for ;he Service of the en •:„ . : suing.year. - • - A of an Eleoor of Newcastle.F4er. Lim, complaining of an undue Return, was pre_ sented.—Ordered for consideration on 24th March. Mr. ALEXANDER brought up the Report of the Irish Militia Bill—Read and agreed to. At nine o'clock the House adjoerned. MA/LS. AARIVIID. Dlit., French 2 • - Holland 2 THE SUN. IVALIUM ♦VDL*T LONDON, DECEMBER 3, 16 oz., YESTERDAY morning Count Sc austmt "ik N- NtNCX, the Dutch Ambassador, with his Family and Suite, landed at Dover. He was expeded in 'low o to-day. The account which we yesterday gave of the sudden dismissal from Paris of Count STAHREM. n ERG, by an order from the French Government, has excited much comment, as well as aurprize. As this information seems to be doubted by some of our ignorant Cotemporaries, we think it necessary to say that we pledge ourselves fur its authentiLity. Tuts forenoon a Dutch Mall arrived. By an article from the Frontiers of Switzerland, it ap pears, that fresh ferments have arisen in the Lesser Cantons, in consequence of the rigid measures pur - - sued by the French. BY the Jamaica Mail, which arrived yesterday, Government received Accounts which fully con firm the disastrous issue of the French Expedition to St. Domingo. It was understood at Jamaica, that LECLERC had aftually re-embarked with the remnant ofhis Army, consisting only of about 1509 men, and that two Black; Regiments in the pay of France had joined the Insurgents, who were in very considerable force. Last night we received I'aris Papers to the 3oth ult. It is not yet known what arc to be the additional Indemnities of the GRAND PUEE of TUSCANY, but it is stated, in a Letter from - reana, that the two Secretaries of the French Legation in that Capital had set out for Paris with the Ratification of the Treaty concluded between Austria and France respecting that subject. The Bishoprics of Trent and Brixen" haVe in the mean time been taken possession of, ip the name of the GRAND DU K E,.by order of the EMPEROR. In Sviitzerland the Senate has issued a Decree, imposing upon all the Cantons, in proportion to their resources, a War Contribution of 900,000 (37,5,001.) for -the support of the French Troops. • One of the Articles of the Decree re- • serves to the Senate the power of exacting extraor dinary Contributions from those Cantons, Com mulles, or Individuals, who have taken a part in what that body chuses to call the Insurrection ; upon which subject the Executive Power is ed reefed to make a Report within one month.-,--- This Decree appears to be intended to throw n early the whole burden of supporting the French Troops upon the unfortunate Patriots, under the pretence of imposing a general contribution upon the whole of Switzerland ; thus, not content with depriving the brave Defenders of their Country's cause of their Political Liberty, and even imprisoning their per. sons, the Oppressors. of Switzerland will make them pay fOr the chains with which they have l o aded them. ALOYS REDING and ADF-DER-MAUR still remain immured in the Castle of ArbGurg. Deputies fro:3l the Carrtons are continually setting out for Paris, but . the- Elections are not yet completed. 'lke Ilioniteur was expeded, according to re. port, to give the Debate in the British Parliament on the Address to His MAJESTY, at some length, and to make comments upon the Speeches of the different Members, but it contents itself with giv ing a very short statement of the Proceedings of both Houses of Parliament, and with extracting from the Mercure de France some miscellaneous observa tions on subjects likely to occupy theattention of the British Legislature. In these observations some re ference is made to the Affairs of India, which seem of late to have become a favourite subject of discussion with the French - Papers ; and they conclude with declaring, that no Government would consent to the interference of England in those arrangements whic,h the Peace has rendered necessary ; and that tire interference of France in the affairs of Switzer land was indispensable. • It is again stated that Three Thousand French Troops have arrived at Leghorn and Pisa. The French Funds are 53, to. • Yesterday at twelve o'clock, Mr. ABRAHAM NEWLAND attended the Omnium Holders, at the Stock Exchange, to announce to theM that the BANK DI R ECTORS had agtkeed to their application; and that, instead of paying, towards -the redemption of their Cnnium, 4o per Cent. on the z Ist of January, they were to advance zo per Cent. on the 74th of January (which would assist them till after the opening of the Consols.) and the other zo-per Cent. on the )6th of April : so the whole payments for the redemption of the Qmnium will now stand thus : On toll of Jan. 20 per Cent. I On 18th of Marcli,.3o per Cent. isth at, Fcb.,,30 per Cent. 16th ot April, zo per Cent. After thts 'communication had been made, the Funds ruse about a half pet Cent. The PriVy Council sat again yesterday. Seven persons were fully committed to Newgate to take their trials for High Treason, X Court of Common Council was held yesterday at Guildhall, which being the first Court in the new Mayoralty, the Lord Mayor addressed' them in an elegant speech of considerable length. The Thanks of the court were moved and qe. corded to Sir joHti Emy4a,*the late Lord Mayor, • • • PIA VAL DOPER, Dzc. z. fits Exec4ltatcy Count. SCIII4MtLPENNI NC Ambassador -from the Dutch Republic, with l' ls. Lady and Family, lauded from Calais this mornirl" PORTSMOUTH, DEC. z. Cisur into Harbour from Shithead, His Majesty 's Ship Topazz, Capt. HO4BvMAN. ar Arrived the Aurora Frigate, from Lisbon, e" the Thelcus, PRIM. from Sunderland. A large Brig, name unknown, laden with winel has been discovered at sea, bottom upwards, a ti ti tO .Ved into Shancklin Bay in the Isle of Wight , a n the wine landed all secured in the king's Wa re ' house s at Cowe3. PLYMOUTH, DEC. i. ARRIVED the Brig Elit;beth, Wtt. GAtosili ;‘...lastee, of and from Liverpool, laden-with Sugar' Src. for Amsterdam; the Brig Neptune, GR ;Fr:1113 Master, la4en with Linen, from for London ; the Snow Rebecca, London, NESTLING Master, with Wheat, from Quc — , bound to Leith ; the Swedish G%-dlict jobar,; Frederica, laden with salt from Alicant, bowl° : 0 Gottenburgh ; the Ship L;011, of London, CaPt ai i i TyLpit, from Trinidad, bound to Lonclotir ! te r the G lennuore Frigate from the Eastward ; a6O Julius Cesar, SARGENT, from London to I°,l s . serrat; and Olsnie Branch, Watson, from M a " to Hull. A Portuguese S....7.:uadron, cf four Sail of the Lin e ' lately but into Carthagena to procure provisio °s .; As soon as it had obtained the necessary supply'l sailed against the Barbary Corsairs. :,„ of The French, as soon as they took posse' s 's' Martinique, imposed a duty on all Foreign Vesse'st; Letters of a recent date have been received fl if our Troops at Alexandria. They were genere,,Yi healthy, though cases of Dysentery and Op thalur had recently occurred. They were, howev er, for' tunately unvisited bv The Plague. of Mr. TURNER again performed the charaoer ' Richard the Third, at Drury-lane TheatrV'Sl t ` e ' to - ra ' ‘. . day evening. He appears to have a just coOcCPL o a of it ; but he fails in evincing that discriminati-of, which is so necessary to the correft dellne4t o° %sj the subtle and hypocritical tyrant. Mr. Ttli. 24 'ila possesses talents which will doubtless enable hi sustain with ability many charmers in the Dr On i t but we do not think that that of Richard Mn in is exaelly the proper field for his exerticuleti He was received with applause, though not unitli%.o with marks of disapprobation. The House svOic til t s ); We are, sorry to learn that a mischance happene d in fencing scene, from which some unpleasant colstiu—r, qiienees are likely to result to Mr. Tv aOA Ea• C. KVA/3 I.E'S foil, by some accidtint, was t h r ust 11 . - 00 , Mr. Tu RN E face, which caused a great 4 1151 s , of blood, and rendered surgical assistance 1 1 r* - , sary. _0(/' A suspicion having lately arisen at Coverll7,4 den Theatre, that persons got admittance by PIO Qrders of Madame SromAcit and 13R6gA s ' f ' matter w4§. put in a train of examinatio ult iC nights ago, on some people presenting such Orcle rs a l was discovered that they had been forged by 3 r b son - lately servant to Mr. BRAlirtM, scho h 3 1 ,1 5 0 , 1%; sisted some time by selling them. The culPritilo4 detained for examination to-morrow, when JO° • and STORAGE are to attend at Bow.street Yeste;:(lay nineteen P r i s oners were tried a. g o d, Old Bailey l two of whom were capitally cony viz. • wet John Maharzse,y, for feloniously being ar .„` „ oi• without any lawful cause, befOte the expita ti ; be the term for which he had been ordered t° transported. , rh o John Vickers, for stealinc'enh arid ncltof amount of 401. and upwards, the prOPC I4I , • Charles Robertson, in his dwelling-hogaP , -'H:/0 Nine were conviled of felony, 'viz ~ , John Doran, lotr i th Robinson, James AO,* --4,oits Eleanor Carty, Francis Keoj',. lary,es s r . Henry Lazarus, John Allen--and eig ht quitted. EAST RETFORD. — On Friday last, Mr . 1 , 5 a 6 5 :L. moved the Court of King's Bench for Man ' a f Ef t to elea Five Aldermen for the Borough ° o f the Retford, in Nottinghamshire, in the room. sow same number deceased. It appeared from 100 come,. be merit, that the application to the Court vva' o ne 0 necessary, by the condua of a Mr. Parker, rs tO the Alderrrien, who barricadoed his d °c `f o r prevent being served with the usual notic e d 00 0 ' Ele&ion of Aldermen ; and this the Learne,orpolli sel said was done with a 'view tha t the 'poleeft, tion might be dissolved, because h e, Mr. A ir , ci l P, could not endure being left in the vini'f it Yl,ai lv :. affairs of this Corporation, over whiell he S CO 4 e a tong time had too much influenc e. seeing the impropriety of such conduct, or ae c e :aci es ' Writs immediately to issue to fill pp the / eft drawn The ye l s 'i t c e k n e fi t ly N a n P . r 4 iz s e 2z of in O was divided into One Quarter, fle rio4ce Ten Sixteenth Shares, and sold at the 01 ' Swtyy and Co. in the Poultry, where T ie "' Shares continue on sale. nteheTphoreuss:anti:ttill:?:lo::oo3 111.4 RR JED. f' Ob e Yesterday evening, by speciil li cen ce. at lor d R r mow's, in Portland-plac,: ' Lord Southampton, to mow, seconddauglaer of Lord R. 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