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i t 1 I ) k4il, ~~` . ii ~ • ! • e . there occasionally sprung up there bursts of less. :ricteble gallantry that may require the strong iii te-powtion of legit authority—(.. /angle.)—lint they ere very few in number, and very rare in their or riturence. lle Man 'unposed to alter that part of the Act of Geo. I • which merle privately receiving •nilen goods, under peculiar circumstances, a cani ,al felony. The only conviction under that Act •• was the noted one of Jonathan Wild. The Honour. Ste and Learned Gentleman then briefly recap'. •.lated the head. of the parts of various Acts. inn• e an ii. l l p i r.i.hment• fur off•nres specified ~err, 1, which he pr0,e...0f to hive rip...t r d.. A them was the Arl fir e spirally piton ..,:pout reserve, the kiting end morning of rattle; nod he also promised an alteration in the Statute .resperting bankrupts. He meant to mitigate, he rock the severity of some of the provisions of the 'ilarriage Act, which, among other mellow eR created no less than five capital of reoneo.—.. hear/—For many of these. and other, of a . 'abler character, lie would propose to melsetitute t -insportation instead of death ; and in eft spe c R4l he meant to consolidate. ar it woe, the er , terul penalties which he would substitute for . ,nose contained in tarts of other Statutes. He had ss 'Mention of withdrawing the capital punishment f, cis the actual forgery of Bank notes, though he wi;alrl propose its being revoked in all cases of }:rryste forgery. In tittering or holding forged Bank notes, he would apply the punishment of tranisportetion, still of course leaving to the pro. ••c dm to select his own mode of proceeding. Ile hod observation enough to see that the greatest apposition he should have to encounter would be in.repealing the severity of the law in cases of pri v.tely stealing in a dwelling house, and in private Lorries; and yet these appeared to him the cases it, which the principle of the repeal more clearly 'palled, for they were exactly those in which, according to the must conclusive testimony of at evidence before the Committee, prosecutors sloe deterred from proceeding against offenders 11 the unmitigated severity of the tinnishroent upon conviction. He, therefore. in these roses less appealed to the humanity than the Rood sense c f the floury, to adopt the propositions he submit. ;.,1 to them. The Hon. and Learned Gentleman n concluded. by proposing that a Select Com c.ittee he appointed to conoider so much of the en. animal law no related to the iiifliction of capital pu i.,si,ment fur felony, and that they do report t'•ereon. 11Ir. CANNING rose, not to oppose the motion in +naval the proceeding, but merely not to be Underwood a• nsenting to the whole of the proposi tions commented upon by the Hon. and Learned Grrntlernan. He could. however, truly assure him tt.it in the future stages no cil.jection should be taken to any of his propositions for mere objection sake, bat only upon what should appear to arise on safe end solid grounds.-1 Hear, henr.) The Committee was then appointed. On Sir Jews, MACKINTOSH next moving for leave to bring in a Bill to repeal the 12th of Queen Arr.', which made it a capital felony to steal to Op vela' of 40s. in a dwelling home— Mr. Beau sr! rose to 'sprees, in common he *rested with every Gentleman who heard him, his aseirsto Cs Hon. and Learned Friend for the ef. f•ct;ve meaner in which he had called the attention r Parliament to this most important subject. He r•-•az complimented him upon treading in the steps e that great wan. Sir Samuel llomilly, in enforce g the repeal of those parts of the criminal law wt-ith were inopplicahle to the present state of society in thi. country. Sir Samuel Itomilly had si:cceeded in abolishing a part of tbat revolting aef:tence for high treason which was so calculated to disgust minds of ordinary feeling; and lie (Mr. li ; trusted his Learned Friend would now have tea, good fortune to abolish that still remaining part of •he sentence which left the quarters and head of tie criminal to be disposed of as the Crown shall tl„rik fit. There never was a mare thrilling or re 'minim sensation manifested than at the late execii tton of a set iif criminals. Any thing which in this Merrier could weaken the moral taste or keen sensibility of the people, must have an ilijnrious tendency.—(!:fear, hear, hear.) —Many attend. rd executions for a variety of reasons; some through curiosity, others from a more laudable mrairre. On the late occasion it was found ne. cessary to diiguise one of the executioners in a soriik, the first he believed worn on a scaffold in filiglend since the time of the dreadful scene of Cheats the First's execution. His objection to V.Pse cruel exhibitions was, that they did nothing in ILe way of prevention, and sere only calculated to «mind the ferlin a js of the helpless families who rurvivril criminals. He made this allusion without it. slightest political feeling towards any recent rarrumstairce—his allusion was meant geeerally to e impolicy and injurious effect of such exhibi tionii.—(hear.) Sir Jaur.s filactutvrosti said, he entirely disap proved of etl acts of unnecessary severity. He I.A manifested this fr.ling by his sloe on Si r Simnel RoI:IRVs motion for abolishing the ..hale of that mutilation of the body of the cries. stet executed for high treasou, which had now*fil ocly in part altered. terdoobtedly on a future occasion it might be his wish to endeavour to do away wills these vain severities at an execution ari.ieh 'hewed the rancour of the survivor. and lied sin effect upon the fetings of the criminal. They were the barbarous relics of past times, which might to he wide yield to a differerit condition of society.--(ifeer.)—Siitl, hoot.. r r, also he touched such circonistinices, he should like to intro ct nee the topic of rrtt irmporhry ullusions. and when the dist could he had upon it on a bet ter finding. lie then complimented his Hon. Friend fur his kilossii humanity and philanthropy, mid expressed the gratitude lie, as well as the pub- lir', always felt fur hie important assistance on all occasions connected with benevolence and hums eity.—f Hear.) jAINE3 1111CitSITOSI1 then brought up a Bill f.r the repeal of the 514'1i Geo. it. making it capital to steal to the value of 40s. on a nevi gable riser 'or a port of entry and discharge; and another lull to repeal the 13th Queen Anne, which makes it a capital felney to steal to the valor of 101. privately iii a dwelling-house. Both Bills, were read a tirst time, and ordered to be read a second tisne—the first un the 14th May, the second on the 110th May. Sit JAMES Slacstirtosi brought op soother Mil • • • • , •• i • for the repeal of the 5.h snri llfh NVillitus winen mak eb it capital 1r1..0r in pl rat 5% 111 II shop.— Read a Bust time. and ordered to lie read a second, but no time specified. CHURCH PEWS:. . On the motion o f L...r41 Atlil . o%. 'teemlints were ordered to be laid before she I 1..u.r of all &collie, greeted for the enclosnre Murl erection of pews in all churches A r d chapels hrlon gong io the eistotilii , h• mesa throughout En ....bind and %Vole% frutn the year 1797 to the present DISFRANCHISEMENT or GRAMPOUND. Lord Joux Runoff, in onikitig the motion of ' which he had given notice, frit it necessary to otter wino! Opllll4llsw to the :111111 4 e 1111011 the Pattfret of it, :la well as 0u olie eerier»! rropriety" of re. moving the rimier. of convicted close boinsigita to rich, large, and populous towns tan nine twilled. When moving for les‘e to introduce a similar Bill in the last Parliament, the general principle upon which he mowed it were admitted. Whether this was a proper punishment fur inch • case as that of Grampomid, or if there were any propriety its removing the franchise.° soother place, might yet lie argued of fortlwr length and at a more advantageous opportunity on a future stage of the Bill ; at present he would confine hiniselfto the consideration of the best means of giving those electors of Gram. ))))) rid an opportunity to exercise their vote in some other place which had not shared in the guilt of the corroptson. this view he proprwed in the Bill the removal of the franchise to Leeds. • town surrounded by se veral villages, each making part of the borough, and conlatuing altogether shout 70,000 person.. These would give, suppose the qualification to be the paying of 5/. a•year rent, 8,000 electors; if the qualification were 'raying 10/. a-year resit, there would be about 5.500 electors. His chief aim was lashes. that it would in future he a principle of the proceedings of the House to tran►fer, as often as convictions furni►her. the opportunity. the charters of close and corrupt boroughs to populous towns. if the principle should be, established. it w•s little 'natter whether Leeds or any other 'dace should be selected for the first traveler, or any populous town iu the West Riding of York. All he wished was to see the principle established ; or if not that, soy other alticli would tend to the rune effect would be equally satisfactory to himself. He then moved fur leave to bring in a Bill fur the object before stated. Mr. CANNING undertook, in oliservasce of the agreement between the Noble Lord and the House, that the previous stages of his Bill. as far as they had hero corned through in the last Part's,. merit, should not be prejudiced; Ministers would offer no objection to the Bill in tins stage of it. He would not be ',ledger' by this, however, to refrain from objecting, if he sew fit, in the other stages; at the saute tone be assured the Noble Lord that Miuisters were far front wishing to object to his motion. He and the Noble Lord kit in common as to the necessity of punishing this instance of de• tected corruption ; so far as the disfranchisement of Grampouiid went, the Noble Lord was likely to receive support. The admission which had been .orade, however, did not extend to the nomination of Leeds as the hest 'sloes to which the fraisehioa should be transferred. On this he would remove himself, and when the Bill came before the House he would he prepared to meet the different points contained in it which he might think objectionable. He was particularly 1111XionS that the admission which had been made by Ministers with respect to the Bill should not be applied to any thing beyond the bare disfranchisement of Grampound. The Noble Lord seemed to think little of the suc cess of his Bill, or the specific case to which it referred. provided he . c•ouhl establish the general principle. lie (fir. Canning) did not hesitate to ray that he untold do every thin in his power to prevent the adoption of any principle by the Howse that could lead to a supposition of a general di*. I/0411011 in the Government to alter the slut, of borough tepresentation. He would pay the utmost tottroitimi to the specific case of the Noble Load; he would do all he could to pre veut any general principle from being deduced from the specific case. He wished to know if it was the intridion of the Noble Lord that Gram pound should be heard by Counsel against the dis fratichiseinent Lord J. RussFr.t. said that he had no such in tention. The caw had been carefully examined in all it. particuLtra already by a Committee of the House. Lord A. HAMILTON paid, dist if there should be any objection to Leeds up the place of transfer, there were many placer in his part of the counts• very well fitted to receive !lie (nag/i.) Lord J. RUSSELL, in reply to the Right Hot,. Gentleman, (moist to draw nothing from the mi. mission of Ministers like a pledge of assent to the !present Bill, or any principle for future proceed ings. There bad been come objection to removing the franchise out of the hundred to so remote a dis tance; but all hr caked from Miuiste►l we,, to give the puhjert rimiest consideration. The knot'. ledge of the ooucurrence of Goverimient with the Rift; had given great setisfacii (((( throughout the country, cod if it should be seriously supported. might mend more than could the., be cooceived to restore the confidence of the people to the Govern ment. M►. D. GILEIERT said a few words, the purport of which we could not gather from Ina interstice of them. Lord MILTOK, in reply to what had fallen from the Honourable Member, admitted that he would have been right it co other borough had been, or ever should be, disfranchised beside% Grampound. The difficulty which occurred in the preseutt•ase was, that there were dive ether b ))))) ughs in the humfred, each of which lie feared were subject at some future day to fall into the same reproach.— (Loughter.)—lf the ham. Mies should then lie merged in the hundred, it might happen that all the boroughs would in time be convicted—the elec tors would then have ten voter each for the boroughs, sad two fur the counties, in all twelve votes. Air. D. GILBERT eXpialord. Lord J. RUSSELL then bronght in the Bill. winch woo read o Mot time. •nd ordered to be read a awcond Hose ow Friday tre' glut. PROVISION FOR TUE QUEEN. Lord A. Hasattrom wished to as the Choneel ,o "v . lot of theExcherpter whether env Trivision was to he made for the Quern in the Civil Li.i? The ('itaucei.Lue of the EICHIQUaI re plied in the affirmative, F.DWA&DS THE SPY. Alderman Woos, in rising according to the no tice which he had given. had no other object than to punish the guilty. and by no means was incliord to offer any annoyance to the Ministry. He had i done all in his power to obviate the necessity of f the present Matt ; first, by applying to the chief officer of the civil power, before whom he had laid various documents, the depositioas of numerous witnesses, and had added to them his assurance, that , he had much more (ridertee to eller if opportunity were furnished f., toyealtog it. His application use umucceatd ; he bad heowght down upwards of 90 documents to lay before the House, and un less a Select Committee were allowed to ersmioe ii.to the matter. he would be obliged to reed the whole of them to the Hottlic.-1 blirghter.)— If the Committee were appointed, be would feel perfectly satisfied with say decision they might adopt; if the Committee were not granted. he would be compelled to read all the documents, or at least enough to convince the HOOP,. If he could *hew that Edwards had formed the late plot, had been going about for years exciting and inviting persons to embark in it, hod famished all the arms which were seised at thit late trials, and more which were not seisedw-if Ise could prove all this by laying satisfactory evidence of it before the House, it would be almost impossible to refuse the Select Committee. He had evidence to prove, and that given by persons not implicated. many of them having good certificates of character, that Edwards had called oa them repeatedly, and urged them to undertake the bonne*, of a conspiracy against Government ; that he had offered them arms. money. and every other requisite and induce- Meat to the undertaking. He had traced the his tory of Edwards back during a period of five years; he intended to confine himself to a period of the last two years. In the first part of this period ha was at Windsor iu a very indigent condition, going about with busts for sale. Suddenly he got into the company of a very rich man, had abundance of money, which he attributed to the death of a German Count, from whom, he said, Lord Castlereagh had helped him to acquire a consider• able sum of money. He would shew evidence that Edward, was connected with Castles and some po lice officers shuntg . the war, for the purpose of de coying French prisoners from their quarter', end causing them to be seise*, by the officers when they imagined themselves to be in the act of escaping.— If be could prove all this, the House must grant him a Committee; if not panted, then he must tuke the next best course left him for the perform ance of the duty which he owed the public. When he considered the character of this mso—the maw nee in which, as should be proved, this fellow had seduced poor wretches into the commission of a crime. apparently for the purpose of betraying them; his behaviour towards them. telliog them on th night on which they were taken, that if they were defeated by the military they were to rally at Lord Harrowby's; his perfidious intimacy with Thistle wood, having uti=se logging for him, and after wards. when the amation for Thistlewood's op. prehension promised *sufficient gratification to his avarice, betraying him to the officer,: all these thins gave the mind an impulse of horror such as made people doubt if the perpetrator could be human. These and many other imporiaot facts he would substantiate by good evidence. He hod the pre cedent of Ministers in his favour, who had on lees than a twentieth part of the evidence he would ad duce, referred a far mote important question to a Select Committee. The worthy Alderman quoted the opinion of the Lord Advocate, in the case of Watt, a spy. to shew that it was advisable to pu nish spies when convicted of such violent miscon duct es he had to prove. He then proceeded to state the particulars of the evidence he had before him. The first was that of one Piuckbard.'of Beth nal-green. wise had men Edwards in a public.hottee in that neighboarbood ; Edwards proposed to him to take certain instruments into the House of Com ' mom, in appearance like books, but really coo instol•barrels. which were to be die. charged on the assetablir; tow was to be made into balls. lighted. and thrown down iuto the body of the House-- Mr. GitadraLL wanted to know what authority the Goo. Alderanau bed for the documents he was Offering to the House?-1 Cries el " Order I") Mr. Dessert. expreseed his surprise at the in terruption. Mr. W. WYNN thought it a disorderly inter ruption. Alderman Woos said. that the depositions had been prepared. mud the parties were in waiting at Lord Sidmouth's, ready to swear to them. The next evidence was that of one Toobridge, who had frequently met Edwards, bat never without the latter endeavouring to excite him to violence and sedition, 'spatially against the person of Lord Cestlvreagli. whom Edwards invariably describ ed as the b---y Irish rn---r. The next evidence was by SeEriosq,2irliehedknown Edwards fur five years, mad Ted repeatedly received Lions from him to embark is • conspiracy against the State, and was especially solicited by Edwards to go to the Smithfield meeting. where open revolt and riot were to be expected. Another witness lied repeatedly seen Edwards, beating up in public houses fur recruits to the Cooed of rebellion, di.. playing hand grenades, and offering inducements for the enterprise. Auother evideoce was waked up by Edwards on the t9th of August, who said. that filaischester was on tire. the New Bailey burnt dowsi, awl Mr. Hunt killed. Edwards invited *bit evidence to turn out immediately. and take arms that the people might hare vengeance. 'flits witness gave a lung description of the plot, which, as Edwards informed him, was agreed upon ; he would nut trouble the House with these ',sui cides*. Another witness lead give° Edwards two sword* at his request. Edwards dirtied this wit tier' to see ; the •ittiees smut, sod found Edwards in a Brunel jacks-4 , 4th pitch. gunpowder, and other conibmitibles around him. forming gre ti ides said certridges. The worthy Alderman loess tiOtirti a variety of stiteasioe. and stated the contents of their testinimiy,oll of 'Ouch proved that Edwards had beta for a lori time bodied in urging his dia • bobtail iiseatemea to r t bellion in public houses ~dlO ceftwohinsof yid et Bully smong that :a.O• .t • a 44% 141:i al~.,rr ; • where;povirty grave him any hopes of Wee& A large supply of money, which he was found to. have the ment. Whether this was the 1,0004 for ceasing possession of, ,O treed back to the Govern. Thistlewood's apprehension, he could not say. Upon these, and other similar grounds, the worthy Alderman moved for a Secret Committee to in quire into the conduct of one George Edwards dor- Mg the last two years, especially ss to Ins connexion with the tite traitoroua conspiracy. Sir R. WiLsott felt it to be his duty to second the motion ; be hoped Government also would an quiesce, as it wonld give tin opportunity for refitting those rumours which had prevailed so manifestly to the discredit of Government, about the share that their supposed agent, Edwards. lied in the laterite*. cities. He had spoken with no one on the subject of those trials who did tint seem Maine...cif with • belief that Edwards had been the sole contriver of the conspiracy. Spies might sometimes be 'trees sary ; but • system of spies was abominable. When the country arrived at that condition which made the Ministers declare spies to be ne cessary for its general government, such Minis ters ought not to lose a moment in abdicat ing. Au awful responsibility attached to the use of spies; too much vigilance could not be used in preventing them from becoming agitators and contrivers of conspiracy—above all, they ought not to be furnished with much money. What might not such fellows es Oliver, Castles, and Edwards effect in the obscure villages of this country, with a.coortmend of as much money as they found neces sary for their purposes ? He did not assume that Edwards managed the whole enterprise in the late plot, as they had it in evidence that the conspira tors deemed the assassination of Ministers to be a necessary requiem fur the havoc of the Manches ter massacre. But it was proved that Edwards seduced a great many of those who suffered for the late conspiracy. He was the more likely to be jealous of such Measures after what had taken place in a neighbouring country about three years ago, where the most shocking execution of the culprits did not produce so much horror as the escape from all punishment of the wretch who seduced the cri minals into the perpetration of their wickedness. Edwards was as worthy of death as any of those who suffered. There was a great danger in allow ing such a fellow to go about with money, in sinuating that he had the authority of men in high circumstances for what he did. It must have the effect, at least, of making the poor and ig norant suppose there was not so much crime so they before supposed in embarkiiig in a plot. It. was higbly deagerous to suffer such fellows to escape with imPuititY, when convicted of such naked wick. educes; it would make the miscreants swarm over the country as soon as known. His object in se conding the motion was to come at the truth. Mr. Bauxite contended that there was nothing in the case, in the evidence adduced, or in the proposition of the mover, applicable to the usages of the House. The object, on the face of the me. lion, was to teaming into the criminality of a parti cular person. Was there ever any thilig so strange or anomalous proposed to the House ? He had fre quently cautiooed the HOW* against erring en this ground. They had high and important functiom to perform; but it appeared to him. that whenever they had acted judicially. they had appeared to little advantage. To inquire into the particular criminality of an individual ! What power had they for this ?—(Hear, /sons the Ministerial side.) —ln the judridical courts there was the power of putting the witness, as it were, in the presence of the Almighty, by making him depose an oath. Where was the need, what was the pretence, for not seeking the usual remedies of the law ? He understood that the worthy Alderman had offered leis depositions and documents to the Home Secre tary, wits gave no encouragement to the inquiry. What, then, was it necessary to have the concur rence of that personage in preferring a bill for a criminal iudictment ? But what were the docu ments ? Pieces of paper, not sworn to, nor of any value bryoud waste-paper. The worthy Alderman had sagaciously remarked, that it was very wonderful that all of his deponents spoke of the arduct of Edwards.—(Cheers from the Ministerial side.) Did it never reveal itself to the judicial accumen of the worthy Alderman that there might be such a thing as a conspiracy ?—( Cheers from the Minis terial side.j—Besidea. were not most of there de ponents, as it was well known, implicated iu the dark conspiracy which had been detected ? But in any case, was the House a Grand Jury? and was there such pressing danger of an explosioo,frons the door being underlaid with traitorous gunpow der, as to make so summary a mode of preeedure necessary ? He said nothing for Edwards, but he suspected, though he had no fears of them, that the deponents were not a whit better. In the milky kiudness of his nature, the worthy Alder mail was unwilling to have Edwards banged ; be only wished him to be sent out of the country. He would most probably have the ob j ect of his motion. Their why trouble the Howie ? Next he would tutu his attentiou to the observations of the gallant seconder, which formed seve rer ground.. He came over frooi France, as lie acknowledged, with those stroit feelings which were so common upon him, that Edwards ought to have been put in the *inseama box on the trial. Suppose the Committee granted, would the gallant Member have a special instruction given to the Committee to ask why Edwards was list put in the witnesses box ?—(Sir R. Wilson replied. " Yes.") — It was impossible fur the House to occupy its valu able time upon a motion ao brought and so support ed. He defended the use asides in tile present 140- toted state of the country. He might expose himself to obloquy in saying it, but is his mind none were fit to govern who would scruple at using them solder such circumstauces. Suppose the house of Ilie mover or seconder about to be orsaulted by a gang of rubbers, and oue of them came beforeli.sud to wforui, would either of them be so stupid or so mad ae to say, " not believe you. because you say you were to have been one of them ?" should the House use less discretiou for the public Mau individuals would for themselves? The worthy Alderman was a Magistrate, mud ought to baste known something of the spirit of the laws of hia country ; be should have known dial the evidence of accomplices was cumulous) , *might by tbescui• must law. A great tringi.trata of eatiqu►ty, whom lie would not venture to compare with the worthy Alderman, had 'hewn by Ms use of informers .; that he was not Ettore employ log them. 'rt. Gentleman concluded with ginning, the nur.i. Sallnet— " Studies toujurationis vehewtenter r.+,..,, ideuot, deatque °perm, ut rue, gusts tultutne miust•v• . Imbrued." Mr. Hoetiouse. in gie;ng his vote this nieio, thought it necessary. after what hod fallen from o r Hon. Member on the floor, to soda why he nis a „ t to vote for so extraordinary, a.) stupid" a 'ow n ,. He felt that he had need of more than the n.,i indolgence of the House, completing the peculiar, very peculiar circumstimces snider which he sd. dressed them, to that indulgence he trusted, than to the weight of argument which he riii,nit Hia difficulty was increased to having to crowriet the opinion of so respected. experienced, and it.. telligent a Member its the last Traitor. who hM declared that there was no precedent in the mots of the House for the motion. Now airless his senses were so doll or so perverted as to prem.' him from distinguishing between right and wow... T . he perceived many precedent., all of which a rr .. in direct point. As to the need of evidence oil oath. he could phew cases where the House hail assumed the power of jurisdiction without any exa• miteatior at all—without soy other intent loii.; entertained than of itifirciing p hmeot. Meeks. nations against Ministers were visited iii this then why not michniatioris against the people ? He thought there was good cause for going Mos the examination. because of the unfortunate ca. derstanding elsewhere, that Government, lir its own agent, had owing sted the late plot.— There were other disagreements "Toth were eqnsi'y lamentable. The first sii‘lit he sot in the House he heard several expressions implying a necessity fur what was called reducing the people ; particu lar degrees of violence were proposed to he need towards them. which proved a feeling to ex ar. within those walls which was not all uotlersoonl outside. He would not say that the Governineto were guilty in employing Edward...ir that they were innocent; that was part of the matter lit tptestin. Let the opportunity be given for clearing it up, soil skewing that Government had not wtoctooted crimes. In reply to the observation, of the Member'o, drawn Irons the aucient world, he oi l ,- ' posed the Hon. Member alluded to Cicero. Toe lion. Member had forgot to state that Cicero th,i not make Fidel, and the Allobroges eotot t orstwr.„ (cheers front the llpposition.) --the did not api.!y this remark to Gosernmerit. but he was rept,- ing to the inference of the Goo. Meistieer's argument on sppealiog to the ancient v.orld, as :1 its wisest inhabitants espoused the epy system. Now many of them utterly reprobated it. An its telligerit and honest historian. Surtounis, placed them biter edverserie reruns, and cautioned Princes against ming them. The Emperor Tito* used to cruse the spies to be whoa, and 'lent tutu distant banishment; Constantine frequently put the tae formers to death • wad not only among the good t,ut among the bed Emperors did the dettstatiouef spies prevail. Caligula said that he hail no ears for inform ers; Domitiao disliked them. and *aid, Prince-pt. qui delatores new costive, erridet. So much for she opinions of that socient world to which the Hon. Member hod referred them for has authority. sod to which he (Mr. Hobhoost) only alluded before an assembly so well informed un the subject, to skew that the inference was not tutirely iu favour of the Honourable Member but as the anrient world gave no uniform support to the moos!. merit of spies, neither did the modern world The only ;sort of Maelitavel which stewed to countenance the employment of such oriortitnetite. was the assertion that governments must employ brutes as well as men. Moutesquiese laid slow,' that even in a monarchy spies ought not to he Cu. ployed, because there wain coup feeliug sootiest them. The prejudice, said ,Ir. floishonse. generally prevailed against such persoirs.sullictentiy psiiited oat the iufainy of their etoplovisierst.— Hear.)—lt o_ppeared to hint that the film. Ger, tleman (Mr. Bankes) in saying that spies were necessary to good government, had moue one mis take, and that for good, he ought to have sob-o wed bad—(4 Imeg/)—for be did nut recollect any good government in which they had received employment. Some would make a distinction be tween a spy and an instigator, but lie could not perceive the justness of it; for could there, he looked, be a spy without so insiigation ?—/ -- A spy lived on his intelligence--his subsistence de pended on what information he brought, and there fore he thought it was not in the nature of things that such agents should remain plosive observers, on the contrary, he thought that where a conspiracy slid not exist before, they would make our. After a few more remarks be hoped the House would consent to entertain the question, and thus show that they participated in the feelings of the Com mons of England.—(Cheering ) _ • Mr. BUTTERWORTII said, that a short time be fore the explosion of the plot, a ',talon who lied been seduced into it. without any kirowledge of the ultimate derrigini of the couspiraiors, vent to en old friend of his (Mr. Lutterworth's) with whom be had been acquainted for many years, sad told him what was to luipprii. Fiji trivial Winced to make • confessinu of all lie knew osi the pubjeet to him (Mr. Butterworth. as we understood). He hap pened to he our of toast at the tune, but on hie return lee brutal that the man hart called at ins house. It railtseqiiently appeared, that the marl had been led into the glut by One la Ilk OVell boors. and nut by Elwards—(Hoar,6ene)—sail Le really believed di a up to that those I'o h,ti hero Ic. noceatt. He haul been induced injurer the plot Ji reading-room lie frequtirterl. here ro• lotto•t barn maim his mum,. hr related to lora Ihr of the circurnetarices—(Cries prefer I '') he wished to buret him bere.e r .11.141str.alt the depositions, but the 0111) wale terrified beyoarl mes• cure, and begged :hat Ina risme might out he wade public., and at hits request he, had 1)ot been rarimirre.i ie• a witness. He had sent for that tiered that err, evening. rind asked him lead lie known Edward. Hr replied !se hell not, but that he lied been toll by our of the eroirpisoturs that Edwards had ireto present at one of the early sueetings of the consir- Calor*. but din fie bad out been at any of 'hoer which were held near to the time of their opprrben• 1•1011.-.• (f/ear, Iseurdrum the Ministerial betichee.)— He had further asked him. whether it was Iris opi nion that Thistlewoorl arid the ether. ',nuttiest coo spinners had been led ibis., the design of assarw uatiou by Edwards' lii replj, lie )tad asked hit;