The Sun. — London, England, 1802-03-17 00:00:00

stating; , • buttes upon tea and Sugar, by • . • teat ht had been obliged to alter his Bill respeding those aid. des. Th e fad was, the duty upon Tea had been n ew -modelled, a n d the re f ore i t was necessary to brin g in a new Bill ; an d not f rom any defed in the original Bill. With regard to the duty on Sugar s ther e was an i ncrease i n the duty upon that article in Gr eat B r i ta i n , on account of the stopping of t he Convoy Duty, and consequently it became necessary to do t h e same i n I re l and. It would have been but candour in t h e Ri g h t H on. Gentleman, when he tuade such positive assertions, to have also stated those fads to the House. As to what he had said about the Clause for altering Bills in the course of the Session, he could only say, it was the constant Pradice in thi s C ountr y, an d h a d been attend e d with the most b ene fi c i a l e fr e d s . Cl auses of t hat kind were introduced into the most important aels, such as the Income Bill, and the Assessed Tax Bill : and indeed the more important the Bill was, the tore necessary such a clause was. He was sorry it had been necessary for him to take u p so much of the time of the House, but he totally differed from the Right Honourable Gentleman upon the point of form :.—:. this was a radical difference--the ir paths Separated at the outset. He differed from him in Poin t o f pr i nc i p l e - - h e differed from him in the pic ture h e had drawn of the state of Ireland —and he differed froth him in what he had said about the at-. tenti on paid by the United Parliament to the affairs of Ireland. He was himself a living witness that the peopl e of Ireland had found in the United Parliament mot only a fraternal, but a paternal care, and he was sure the Right Hon. Gentle.nan would have felt as he did, if he had not unfortunately disapproved of the measure of Union. There was one point which Le forgot to notice : the Right Honourable Gentle_ flan had said, that the Officers of the Parliament of Ireland who were upon the Civi l List were no longer u p on it. This was n ot t h e case , they still re ' Thained upon the Civil List ; it was only the sur. Phis of their salaries that wereaid out of other fu nds. H e felt great concern for obli ge d having been to intrude so long upon the House, and re. turned thank s for its indulgence. Mr. FOSTEIt explained. t ;7;he CHANCELLOd of the EXCHEQUER - a.u, he was really very unwilling to detain the liouse, even for five minutes, after the very able h. and..,. de ar c explanation given" o this matter by is Right Hon. Friend, w h o had just spoken (Mr. "". he Right Hon. Gentleman .who had dust sat clown, put the q uestion upon an issue, and I s aid, that nothing could be voted in a Committee f Stlpply, but what was for the current service o the year 1 and he adverted to tie Bill now be fore 'be for the H use, as conta i n i ng more than that. which was- c urrent servi ce o f the yea iti; 'But this was " not the way e ver in w hi c h V otes f or t hi g -R i bli c S erv i ce o ught to be cons id ered, and he mined that Y sum of money voted for the Palk_ Service, ,ver since a Public Debt existed, was as much for o th e curr ent service of the year as this Bill was.— h at was the case in every Bill voting a sum of il p n eY for the P u bli c S erv i ce ? P rec i se l y t h e saint in neiole a s t h at w hi c h was now b e f ore the House. Y ' s MA JESTY ca ll e d f or a S upp l y f or the Service of -l e Year, that was, in co mmon l anguage, f or carry- I Z on the Service of the year ; but that included the ileacof defraying charges previously existing. The f t , ll ,e Of Commons could make no Grant of Money CO?"hi. Ser vices ,p revi ously called upon by ~,, ic un less KING. --What was then the proceedin g . in a liernttittee of Supply ?....it was that of granting to Set e ,islVl A I"TY a Sum of Money to defray Public k)iesPlies Ma ttsrY always called for Sup for the Services of the year.—His MAJESTY Iltd not call fo the intere st Money s'pecifically to provide for the st of any Debt " anter i or to the Service of current year ; meta to furnish the well might he call on Parlia. that .„ might ha v e }, Ricans of fora . debt, rce 1 - peen accumulating ever since the providing— vo Litton. The application from the Crown to Parli amett , was always to defray the Serv ices of the i',: ar . His Right Hon. Friend had observed, ,and, 4 v l _ r: ADDINGTON said, he approved of it highly, T t ld he w -as Persuaded the House would approve of lwaalso, that there should be in Ireland, as there • 8 in England, a permanent means for provid 'ng fo r • a permanent debt. To be sure this W st a a s a principle which must gain assent the in parn t it was stated, a departure from which, on the n , o t n o f, the Irish Parliament, was to be excused only n; onle t ue Pressure of some necessity operating at the folio t; but a course which was by no means to be w e ,' On, in fee}u• ll ut what he was led most to iomment the case now befOre the House, wili ) the - ef -7 L wLh this Bill was to produce : it wditid op rate, as Revenue Bills should operate, as a check ituit Parliament on the Executive Government:-4 wi/ w i a s as saying this on the part of Parliament, " we s_ tsuffer Supplies to be voted, even for the ervic. o f • A ' the year, or to be furnished under any pre ice until we are satisfied with the Executive ,° ve rnrrient :" that was the principle - of the sstem, „. ; -t the former mode adopted in Ireland did } really over to the Executive Government a great power e ver the Public Purse: for although debt, when ae a.Lirnulated, should he attually defrayed, and even tthotigh there should be no permanent Fund for e f a . t , Pout Pose, yet, in the mean time, the situation umfotunld, be ho possessed money in the Public Funds Very Government ,UnCoMfortable, for if the Executive , nappeni, - Parliament, sh ould e •the confi dence of ng to possess ple m ig ht consid 1 ~,er as injurious to them, and against which t hey t ri i,h t e 0 veuernently remonstrate, appre. pensive, perk -e s I • • - Le ...' I , P , tilde coin:; of the debt mignt not itre. paid, they would have no such influence as they r ght have under the system which was pursued c e, that of makir-). seeuri t - . .6 a permanent provision or 3, of the Public Creditor it being`there only vot e d . annually, there being always an apprehension case_c) eitalnty in that mode. Parliament in the one would really posses s much less in the other, of powce ove r the Executive Government. With t .p to the Question of Order, he should hope there would, in that House, be n o diffi w culty hat. r triad. e ver. B ut the Right Honourable G ent l eman b ad '2e a stand on one or two points, which had ' 4 been adverted to by his, Right Hon. Friend, and vro which he should therefote take the liberty of ad. ertillg 'Very shortly. The Right I - lon. Gentleman ad asked, why not Year go on w i th the Services of the for the two Couotr',es, pari parse . The an. sorer was : , —This Was rot for the Service of the yew', but means of providing for the Interest of an antecedent debt, and, properly speaking, had no thing to do with the Service of the year. There was another part to which the Right Hon. Gentle man particularly alluded, and on which he thought necessary to say a few words, namely, the sub_ jell of the Civil List.—Unquestionably nothing could be so desirable, as had been stated on a for_ titer occasion, as that this branch of Expenditure should be provided for permanently ; and upon this subje& his Right Hon. Friend had, most ably stated reasons why it was in its present state, and apologised for not bringing the whole of it under a permanent system—and this arose from the pecu liar situation of the Country.—We should hereafter have to examine all the Duties imposed in Ireland, their aaual produce, the manner of colleaing them, and then we should have to consider of the means for providing permanently for the Debt of Ireland ; and that in a way the least onerous to the People of that Country. He had heard from the Right Hon. Gentleman, with particular regret, that there had been some inattention in Parliament to the affairs of Ireland :.he had asked, what steps had been taken towards removing difficulties and impedimenta which formerly stood in the way, and, indeed, now stood in the way of a free communication between the two Countries ? Now, he averred that during the whole of the last Spring, until the prorogation of Parliament, when Metnbers had an opportunity of returning to their respedive homes, not for gra tification, but, chiefly, for the discharge of other duties, there had been much attention bestowed on the affairs of Ireland : an uninterrupted attention, and the course would unquestionably be pursued ; and he could tell the Right Hon. Gentleman, that a system of regulation upon this subjed was in coesi derabie forwardness, by which the impediments suggested by him, would, he hoped, be entirely removed.—But he thought it a little hard, that on circumstances which, so fairly, accounted for the delay of a plan of regulation on the subjea of the Revenue Of Ireland, the Right Hon. Gentleman should have taken it for granted there had been a remissness in this matter ; when, in fail, there had been none at all. But, with respea to the com ments of the Right Hon. Gentleman on the state of .Ireland in general, he had been so fully, so justly, and so ably answered by his Right Hon. Friend, that he need not add any thing to that answer ;' and yet he knew not how to refrain from an ob. servation Of two.—He understood the Right Hon. Gentleman, tonight, to treat of the affairs of Ire land, as if not only the Finances, but the Corn. me= of the Country was declining , terday, he had the happiness: .to hear fremi that Right Honourable Gentleman, that on the sub. jest of Agriculture, Ireland was in a flourishing condition, and this he attributed to the wis dom of its Laws—He trusted that to the wis dom of our Laws, that Country would owe as much on the subject of its Commerce and Ma nufadures; for he was• confident, that encourage.. ment to Trade, from Parliamentary Regulations, would draw Manufactures, and every species of commercial enterprize, in its train ; nothing but this was wanting to make Ireland one of the most important branches of the British Empire, by which she would reward us for all our labours, make amends for all expences, and become, indeed, one of the most valuable parts of the United Kingdom. Under the direction of a good Government, and in the hands of wise and discreet persons, acing under the provisions of Parliament, vigilant, and provi. dent of its interests, he really did not see, in the affairs of Ireland, any thing that was not to be contemplated with satisfadion by, a man who had the best wishes for its welfare, and who felt a pride and a desire to manifest a joy in the prosperity of the British Empire.- He said this from a full con viaion, after an attentive perusal of the affiirs of that Country, as far as he had been able to compre hend them ; he would add, that he should be ashamed of himself, if it could be justly imputed to him, that he was negligent of the interest of that Country, or that he had not the most earnest solicitude for its welfare, and was not always ready to afford every means in his power to accomplish the objedt of its complete prosperity. He was not speaking for himself only ; he would undertake to speak for others. He knew . the zeal of his Colleagues as well as his own, upon this sub jet ; nor was that all, for there was a disposition in that House, which would supply any defeas that might appear in him or any of those with whom he had the pleasure of ailing ; if Ministers should hap pen to sleep upon their posts, that House would not sleep,. and would soon awake them. The House would do its own duty, and, if necessary, would take the charge of this important subjea out of the hands of Ministers; or do that which Ministers, without the assistance of the House, might be found to be incapable of performing. Under these cir cumstances, he felt comfort in considering the state of Ireland at the present moment.—With respell to the Bill now before the House being temporary, that was a matter of necessity, and that was all he had, at present, to say; nor was it necessary, indeed, for him to have said so much, after the very able and satisfactory manner in which the subject had been treated by his Right, Hon. Friend (Mr. CORRY). He should, however, just add, that the objed of the system just now about to be adopted, was to convince the Stockholder of Ireland, that he was to be placed on a footing with the Stock-holder of England ; not having his property depending upon Annual Grants, but on .a permanent provision. Mr. 0 RAM BY approved of the plan as stated by the two Right Hon. Gentlemen (Mr. ADDINGTON and Mr. CORRY), who had done themselves so much credit, and given the House so much satis. fadion to-night, particularly on the subjea of a permanent provision for the permanent Debt of Ireland: He corretted some of the statements of Mr. FOSTER on the provisions of the Ad of Union, and alledged that that Right Hon. Gentleman had confounded, in the argument, two things that stood distinct upon the faas, namely, the Debt of Ireland, and the regulation of the Duties there.—He main. tained, that the plan proposed by the present Bill Was extremely simple, and was the course pursued last Session of Parliament. The question wink then put, the Bill was real 2 second time, and oicierea to be dOinmitted to Committee of the whole House to-morroW. - The House in a Committee of the whole House came to a Resolution for continuing, fora time to be limited, the Bill for making Starch out of Rice, Potatoes, &c. on the Motion of Mr. VAI4SITTAkT: —Report ordered to be received to,morrow. The House in a Committee of the whole House, past a Resolution to instrua the Chairman to move for leave to bring in a Bill for amending the Law respeaing the Irish Linen ManufaaureThe House being resumed; and the Motion made, gave leaire to bring in the Bill accordingly, on the Mutidn of Mr. FesTER. At half past Six o'Clock the Rouse adjourned. THE SUN. SOL EM QU IS DICERS F ALSUM AUDEAT ? LONDON, MARCH 17, 18oz. WE yesterday mentioned the receipt of Dis patches from Marquis CORNWALLI§ at Atiziens. We are not without strong and solid grounds for an opi nion upon the probable contents of these Dispatches, but even that opinion we shall with-hold, resolutely determined to persevere in that cautious line of con duet which we have °Hate thought it indispensably necessary to adopt, and which has been imposed on us by a sense alone of resped to the Government, and of duty to the Country. That a very few days, however, will absolutely put an end to our suspense, we cannot entertain a doubt. Possibly we might, have been led to express more anxiety at its continuance, had our con fidence been less in the vigour, as well as the calm deliberation of the Cabinet. The late conduE of Ministers seems to have called forth the ap plause 'of all descriptions of People, which their language, as well as what we know of their measures, has abundantly justified. Of the former, we have thought it one of our first duties to give the most faithful and cornea Report, especi ally , the language of the Minister, when the subject was no less delicate than the state of the Negotiation. We wish that all our Cotempora ries had been equally cautious. A more glar ing misrepresentation of a Speech, than that of the CHANCELLOR OF THE EXCHEQUER, which appeared in a Morning Paper of Saturday last, and which was copied into an Evening Paper, we never witnessed. It appeared by OUR Reran of that Debate, that though the sentiments indicated a firmness aml spirit highly becoming the Minister of a great country at such a crisis, they were no less charaderized by a proper caution and reserve. We cannot help congratulating the Country on finding the public mind so happily prepared for either alternative ; for the measures which have been taken are equally calculated either to accelerate a Definitive Treaty, by dernonstrating to the. Enemy (a term which we should be glad to drop) that Go vernment is not to be trifled with a or to enable us to renew the War with promptness, decision, and effe&. WE this morning received the Paris Papers of the 13th inst. They bring no news of importance ; the Minister of the Italian Republic, at Paris, has been requested by the French Minister for Fo reign Affairs, to wear the Uniform worn by the French Ministers, only substituting the Cisalpine Colours instead of those of France. He is not to take place among the Foreign Ministers, but is in future to be considered as Minister for Foreign Af fairs for the Italian Republic: The Marquis de LUCCIIESINI, Minister of the KING of PRUSSIA, has congratulated the First Consul on the issue of the proceedings at Lyons. The Count de COBENZEL, Ambassador from the EMPEROP. of GERMANY, has made known to .the First Consul the Resolution adopted by His IMPERIAL MAJESTY, to admit Ministers Plenipotentiary from the Batavian, Helvetic, and Italian Republics ; and that on his side, he was disposed to appoint Ministers of equal rank to reside in those Republics. The Count also intimated, that His IMPERIAL MA JESTY bad seen with interest, the definitive or ganization of the Italian Republic. The Count de MARKOFF has received, by the return of the Courier which he had expedited with an account of the result of the proceedings at Lyons, Letters of Credence, to reside at Paris as Minister Plenipotentiary. The Chief of Brigade COLINCOURT has written by the same Courier, that His IMPERIAL MAJESTY of. Rvssia. has seen with interest, the advances made at LoyOlf J towards opening a Commerce with his States, His IMPERIAL MAJESTY expressed himself satisfied with the appointment of General HEDouvILLE to reside at his Court. The French Funds have risen a quarter ; they are at 57. This morning arrived a Mail from Lisbon, lr-ought to Falmouth by the Prince of Wales Packet, *;.pt, TODD ; an fourteen daysi NA P'.2l L NEWS. FALMOUTH, IVIAti.64 24: SAILED his Majesty's ShiPS Athtthyit, of j wins, and L' I mmortalittr, of 36 guns, with the Speedwell Cutter, Capt. i-loiktms, on a Cruize tti the Channel against the Smugglers ; also the Dish of York Packet, Capt. IJEAKE, with M ill of the 9th inst. for Lisbon ; the Rasper, Capt. HANNIFERi for Cork; and the William, AUVilk, for Penzance; Arrived the Prince of Wales Packet, Captain TODD, 14 days front L i)on left there the !Val singhant Packet, which was eicpeJed to sail on the 7th inst. with Mails for England. The Packet does not bring any particular news : among the Passengers are Mr. A B 6+, Mcrchan, Mrs. Vi rrii, the Lady of Major FaiTH, and Mr. BEZ c kA, En_ voy from the Court of Portugal to the Bitavian Re. Also arrived the Assault Gun-Vessel, Lieutenant G. ORTON, from Scilly ; the Spider Schooner, of 6 guns, Lieutenant TOMLINSON, from a Cruizc the Four Siiteil,W ILL! Ams, from Pembroke ; Thomas and 7udith COUTH, from Plymouth for Li.. verpool ; and Goad Friends, BARRETT, fro►nExeter, with bale goOds, &c. The Prince Ernest Packet, With Mail from Ame rica, is hourly expeded. A , TARcii i 6: EARLY this morning arrived the King Georie Packet, Captain 1 3 ; DEANE, from Heivoetsluys, with the Mail and Passengers : she left Holland at seven o'clock the . preceding morning. The King George, Captain f LYNN, has sailed foi Cuxhaven. DEAL, MARCH i 6. SAILED the Vixen Gun-vessel, on a Cruize ; and the Automatill i CURTIS, from fingal, for the River. SHEERNESS, MARCH 16. ARRIVED His Majesty's Sloops Diligence, and Aintzo, from Yarmouth: A Court-Martial was held yesterday, and by ad journtnent this day, at the Nore, on board the Bet-schemer, ReAr-Admiral Ro w i. EY PfeSiLtit, on Lieut. TaumAs GAttom AD: MARSHALL, of that Ship, for charges of Drunkenness, Neglect of Duty, Sleeping on his Watch, and Disobedience of Orders ; exhibited by Capt. Fit As ER of the said Ship ; when the Court was of opinion, that the two first Chargei, were proved ; that - the Charge of Disobedience of Orders was proved in part; and that the other Charger of Sleeping on his Watch, is not. proved ;• and adjudged him to be. dismissed His Majesty's Ship Berschermer. go EXCHANGE, Marc,' I ke Tx IS day our Market was tolerably supplied ; but few Buyers. Wheats, from the latz short sup plies, maintained their prices. Fine • Oats, very moderate ; and inferior sort 3 is. cheaper. Flour as before: Wheat -64 s 74s a S6s od Beans (new) 305 a 345 6d Fine do. - 875 a 905 od Tick ditto - 2.ss a 32s e'i Malt - 445 485 a sos od , Oats - - xss a 2IS od Fine do: - sts a 525 6d Poland do. 1.25 a 23s 6d 13atley - 405 a 435 od Rape Seed 321 a 351 per last Rye - - - 405 a 445 0d Fine Flour 6;s a 68s per sa c k • White Pease 385 a 45s od Second do. 60s a 655 per do. This morning a Thad, Mail arrived.--It con, tains no new article of intelligence. Two 11a4urgb.11-141s remain doe.. THEi/t MAJESTIES and the PRINCESSES on Monday dined at Frogmore Lodge. A Paper of this.inorning states, that advises were yesterday received by M. ar-ro, containing an ac_ . count of the arrival of the French Peet at St. Do mingo, and that General LECLERC had landed with., 'out opposition. Yesterday a Court of Direaoirs was held at the East India House for the purpOl:e of Opening pc. kets and reading dispatches received by the Gear glaira Packet. The Georgiand arrived at Portsmouth the rgth -inst.—sailed from Bengal the a Ist Oaoher, and from St. Helena the loth January—parted with the Lord Thur.low, on the Line, the 29th January. The Lfird Phurlow left Madras the 18t1; Oc tober, with the S4O/k, Man of War, and. the Prince, with French Prisoners. ,The latter was missing on the zgth a!tober —the French took possession of the Ship on the 3oth, and arrived with her at the He of France the 20th November. The Officers and Crew were very civilly treated there, and were to be sent from thence to the Cape. On the fist December spoke the Eu;:yelice Frigate carrying out news of the Peace. The True Briton and Princess Charlotte sailed from Madras to Amboyna, convoyed by the S:bille fi on the t Sth Oaober. The outward-bound China Fleet were spoke with by the Union, Rice Ship, on the. rsth October, ire lath 5. S. and long. gi. 30. E. steering for the Straits of Malacca. PASSENGERS PER GEORGZANA. Captain Luard, late Conintandzr of the Svc allow ; and Mr. Leopold Fitchet. PASSENGERS PER LORD THURLOIV. Mrs. Sewell, Mr. and Iklrs. Hughes, Major-General Tolson, Col. MlNeal, Captains Tone and Blair, Lieutenants Watson, Bovine, Hunt, Perring and Hamilton, Ensign Pillichady, and Messrs. Brounker, and Leslie. Gr Gnat Ht LLARS BARLOW, Esq. had been ap pointed Vice President at Fort William, during the absence of the Governor-General, who was at Mongheer, when the Georgian,: lett Bengal. Yesterday the LORD MAYOR, after examining the Returns of the Mealweighers, and the average prices of Wheat and Flour, which was considerably higher than last week, found himself under the dis agreeable necessity, according to the Aa of Parli anent, of raising the 'mead Two Assizes, or Four pence in the peck loaf, to take place to-morrow ; the quartern loaf will then be sold for Elelien Pence Three Farthinri.,