The Sun. — London, England, 1802-02-06 00:00:00

. • h a ' • ' ~ had beeh Met with laughs an 3 sneers, n 4 i n SUC case he thought a Member was entitled to the pro_- teaion of the Chair: The CH.I.I\rELLOR of the EXCHEQ UER en..' said, h e s i ncerely concurred with the Hon. G tieman who had just sat down, in hoping that the People would exert their Franchises, in chusing such Representatives as would support the true interests of the Country and of their Constituents. Upon what ground the Hon. Gentleman had felt himself warranted in applying the epithets of scan_ dalous expenditure to those Accounts, he could not Conceive ; he confessed he did not expert such an expressi on f rom a Gentleman of his c an d our and liberality, but he defied him to the proof—he de fied him to lay his finger on any one item to which that epithet could be fairly applied. He was far from complaining, on the contrary he sincerely Papplaud e d a vigilant and jealous conduft on the ert of that House, with regard to the expenditure of Public Money. He wished to have every part of the condua of Ministers investigated, particularly that part which related to the expenditure of public anoney.—i-le-had listened to the observations of the .Hon. Gentleman who spoke first, With patience, and that was all he could say ; be had listened to him with all the re s p e a d ue to a Member of Parliament. He could not follow the Hon. Gentleman through all 'the observations he made, b ecause h e knew his Hon. Friend near him had turned his attention par ticularly to that subject. There were, however, tw o or three points on which he begged leave to say a few words—The accounts upon which C lentlctrian .hadbeen descanti ng , had been the Hen,presented, from t h e great d i ligence which had been employed, at an earlier period than usual, and the Hon. Gen_ good sense must suggest to hint that it was proper to abstain from making the pecuniary ar rangements for the year for a certain period, that is to say, till after the making the Loan. —It was his intentioo to propose a grant for a part of the Ex traordinaries of the current year, but when it was fouud that the amount of the E • • 4 xtraordinanes of the i • aast year could be made out, he thought it would be better, in the first instance, to clear off the expeaces Hof the last year. One of the s ums to which the onourable Gentleman had o bj e ct ed, was a sum of Gentlem an i'Orho oo l . to ' , Lord M taaro ; and the Honourable wished to know what it was for. In bpening this subject, he stated distinal y that the •Itpencet were divided into three heads viz Con tinental Expences ;Ex pence • ' ' • s in the West Indies; and all the remaining sums were for Expences in r kgypt. He stated that it havi been - d • ng fo und im possible to raise money for the Army in Egypt, it had been found necessary to o • ' pen communications at tCI st-' • n antinopte and Vienna, and to raise money iht .re by drawing bills up England,and remit on to the sums, so raised, to Egypt. This was the appli_. ition of the money which the Hon. Gentleman sup_ tad was paid to supetaniniated Ambassadors a they ittyl tio connexion whatever with the Noble Lord's d_tplom 01. atie eliarader. Wi t h regard to the sum °f ntiataleo paid to theLandgrave of Hesse Cassel, it s_an item that formerly attracted the attention of he an It WaS perhaps a'subjed of !egret, that 1 41 :-' money had not been paid beibre, becaUse, upon the 3nitice of the dtmand, there could not be two opinions, because it was th e . . result of the positive ob l i gations 0 a T k in reatY: With regard to the sum paid to the gof Sardinia the f actshortly this '—The Subsidy g r anted ' was . to that Prince Was 200,0 . 001. per annurn-a. ....a, 100,0001; of which was paid, and the Warrant for t Other the.oo,o ' odl._ was ma d e o u t at *hen the Y the Treasur b ut it was not ten atendered for payment, tt a came ill that account of the Misfo rtune w hi ch be _ o a are! ' in 1 6 79 • His claim, however, upon this Counti otiiplied with the Tr eat as complete; because he had Cdritideratibni nor reat• After a great deal of stration, but so kin, d uring the present Admini:_ was determined to 4 a ' as October a iSco, it the claim. ,of the Xing Of Sardinia, anti .adm i t it was to be paid at the fate a 4 0 001 , a month: t° determination *vas carried into eii'ett ' ' . , and. the present Minia titers, being satisfied - bf the ' ' - Justice of the demand, follbwed the ex. ' Ho ti: • ample of their predecessors. The . n. Gentleman had coat nd d ' charges were not for ivii.t. e , that many of these i,adry.Services, and there ' fore ought not to be clat in the Army Extra" ordinaries. But the Fickf r e Cat error upon this subjeft ; it was n i tleman ib w i as in an fine the Army Extraordinaries to CintPtcalsgs. eft° con na. tare Merely Military: Undoubted' I -e a *S ° 1 a not ter de scription Might be given to them • l ' t:t • , it . would be impossible to separate the Services of a Military oa -lure, froM those bf another deseription: With - gard to the want of Dates; this hurl been a sub•reect ,;,af .dam for a lung time: • • When they co uld t given, they alWaya were--Lbut every labd ' ac nuanateal with the sub'e,t} ••be ' • ) Chet " _ tnast convinced, It was utter! • ' ' •*1 Y tm Posstbile to give them ii every • 1 in stance. ' ' 'I he Hon. Gentleman, had ' , a, sta.ed one point as a matte r of fade, i . n . Which he begged leave to tally to differ fr o • / a , d sa i d, that when hitt% The Hon: Gentleman , !" the Vate of Credit was voted last year, he, ttne CHartcaLaort of the Ex- Cif! ) f,t/ER/ had stated, that the S' m the n granted, Would cover all the E• •• a s 1 , atraordinary Expetices.•- e begged leave to s did not speak et the HOTI. Gentleman rights he confidently upon the subjed ; he had merely e x - . p , essed a hope that the sure then granted aatilld be sufficient• _ He stated that a Negotiation Was then pending, and if it ended in a Peace ; many expenses would necessaril be b I 1 y a 6( geL , and there i , :re he would not ask for a larger sum, - If there were any other points which had d "•' es ' ma e any i.npr - sion upon the House i he was perfectly ready to en. ter into an explanation he was riot aware of a ny other ;at present, points, which rendered it neces sary for him to tresp upon th e H ouse. what as s u Mr. m had said Right Hon. G ent l eman i n partieulara-but-merely to inculc a t e t h at a greater ture. attenti on ought to be paid to t h e Public Expendi yoxEs said, he thought his H on . F r i end and ) deserved t h anks ' for his exenions ; he perfettly agreed with the Hon. Gentleman , heliind him (Mr. Maar' al) with respea to those MtplherS who negleded their duty. There were itiar h y dear and worthy friends of his who did not attend their duty, and he hoped not a man of thein vould be returned at the next General a cipae nao.re dun thin, wh en L i la vi tals Eledion tel the . Pe At a*. . . , . $ pie were grant e d away, were men called upon to be at their posts. The Right Hon. Gentleman (the CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER) expressed his surprize that his Hon. Friend (Mr. Ro BSON) should talk of the lavish expenditure of the late Admini stration ; but was there a man from hence to John o'Groat's House, who would not say that the ex penditure of the last Administration had been pro dieral and wasteful in th e ex treme ? W as not t h e Debt n of the Country 558,000,0001. in blade and white ; and was not the great increase of this Debt to he attributed to the late Ministers ? And yet the Right Hon. Gentleman defended them: that Right Hon. Gentleman must not, nor ought to defend them. He wished that the accounts might be ren dered clearer by the addition of dates, as he could not ascertain what appertained to the late Admi , nistration, and what to the present. The SECRETARY at WA!? said, that some ob. servations had been made with respeit to the levity with which the observations of an Hon. Gentleman had been treated ; but he confessed he never re membered any dry question of Finance which af forded so much mirth and facetiousness in the course of its discussion as the present, and he thought the House were much indebted, upon that account, to the Hon, Gentleman (Mr. RoasoN). With respel to the observations of the Hon. Gentleman upon the different items of the accounts, amongst the first was the sum of xscol. paid to the Due tie Choiseul. The circumstances, however, in which that Noble Personage was placed, were well known : he was employed to raise a Regiment for the service of this Country, but the vessel in which he embarked, be ing unfortunately wrecked, he not only lost all his property, but was detained a prisoner in France for four years. Under these circumstances, there could be no doubt that the liberal and generous feeling of the Country was oiled upon to make him a com pensation. There was also a sum of r 50,0001. to the Representatives of Mr. .Smalley : this arose upon an account a considerable time before, on which there were sums due to Government. These having been settled, the balance due to - olr. Smal ley had been paid to his Executors. The next ar ticle that he wished to observe upon, was the sum of 56,0001. for the Black Corps : he should only remark, that these Corps were first raised by Ge neral VAuGHAN, and afterwards highly approved of by Sir RALPH ABERCROMBY. They were in number rz,ooo, and had been of undoubted utility ; a part of them had been employed 111 an Expedition against the Danish Islands, in which their conduit had been marked by the strictest propriety, and had ruet with the greatest approbation frem the Com mander, upon that nccasion. The exrence of these Corps had hithecto been included in the Army Ex traordinaries, and the House had voted their conti nuance for three months. How far it might be pro_ per to continue them after the expiration of that pe riod, he hoped the Committee would not call upon him to give an opinion ; he should only say, that it was at present a matter of discussion before His Ma jesty's Ministers, and he hoped he should be able, before the Estimates for the year were laid before the House, to state the determination of the Go vernment upon that subjea. He was not aware of any other article in the Accounts, on which he was called upon to make any observation, and therefore he would not take up any further portion of the time of the Committee. Mr. MARTIN thought he had been charged with being an enemy to mirth, which he did not consider himself to be. Mr. N. VANSITTART expressed himself much obliged to the Hon. Gentleman (Mr. RousON) for examining so minutely the different articles of the Accounts, as he had thereby afforded the means of defending them. That which he would first ob serve upon wa s , t h e sum of 67,0001. for Bills drawn from. Malta this money was paid for the purchase of Corn to send to this Country ; and he Would put it to the Hon. Gentleman whether this was for the benefit or injury of the Country P--•-• With respeci to the BillS drawn by Colonel RAM_ SA Y and others from the Continent, he .thought that subjea had been sufficiently explained by his Right Hon; Friend (t)he CHANCELLOIi of the Ex ,cuEQuER)• On the subjea of the Bills drawn by the Prince de Bouillon (Captain D'Auvergne), the Hon. Gentleman (Mr. RoasON) had asked who was the Frince de Bouillon ? He thought that no Gentleman could be ignorant that the Prince de Bouillon was descended from one of the•first lies in France, and that as a Captain in the British Navy, his condnec had been produaive of benefit to the Country, and honour to himself. " With respeA to the Bills drawn f rom S t . Domingo; every Gen: tleman, he believed, was aware, that after, the eva cuittion of that Island by the British Troops, a Civil Establishment was still maintained there for the benefit of our Trade ; and on this account. those • Bills were drawn. The BillS drawn from Domi.; nica Were on account of a mixture of naval and litary service, which could not easily be avoidect--- . Those dawn by Lord Balearres on at count of la:. Indica; athounted, it appearedi to t 19,6601.: 'the extent of thiA service nose in some measure froth the artil.,'al of Troops there from St: Domingo. With resp e a to th e Bills drawn from Noira Scotia and Canada, it was well known, that in remote Settle_ meats the Array Extra6rdinaries bore a large proportion to the number of Troops ; and every Gentleman Who had been employed in distant Settleinents, must know that this arose froth that mixture of naval and military Service which in those remote Colonies could not possibly be avoided. He thought it unnecessary to Make ;iny further re mark upon the Items contained in the Accounts, coneeiving they had been already cuffieiently ex plained. Mr. JONES wished it had been in his power to separate the acCbunts of the late and present Admi nistration, which he was desirous of doing as much as possible. He wished, however, to be informed by the. Chancellor of the Exchequer, whether the account contained tire whole of the expellee of the Egyptian Expedition The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUEI said it was impossible for hini to know that ; he appre hended there were not sufficient stints in the Coin miSsaries' hands in Egypt to answer .the demands upon them.. The Hon ; Gentleman (Mr. JovEs), must have strangely misunderstood him, in supixi- ingMm to ha re said, that no f urt h er expen . ce would be incurrel in consequence of the Exredition to Egypt: Troops Mill continued there, and it was iniposFible to say, that the accounts relative to the Anny.in Egypt i,vere closed, as whilst an Army re mained in dial Country, expence must continue to be il!curred. Mr.7o.VES'said, he should most probably think it his duty to trouble the House upon that subject on some fiture day. Mr. ROBSON said, he thwight His Maje Sty's Ministers had very fairly met his remarks; and 'lie felt himself satisfied with their ans*i.s. There was one subjed, however, with respct to which he was not quite sat i s fi e d— t h e E%chequer Bills which were granted to His Mn J rs . ry, relatiVe to the distiibution of which a Paper had been laid Up on the Table, bore a premium of 30 per cent.—he wished to know how the money arising from that premium was applied ? Mr. X. 1 ANS:iTTART said, it was true that the Exchequer Bills had borne a premium of thirty per cent. but it was also true, that the Public had received the full benefit of that premium. • - The Motion was then agreed to. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER then moved, " That it is the opinion of this Committee, that a sum not exceeding z,000,0001. he granted to His MAJESTY . towards discharging the Debt of the Navy," which was agreed to. The SECRETARY at WAR moved for the sum of 114,0001. for the pay of the Militia, from Au gust to December, ißot, which was likewise agreed to. TIT House resumed, and the Report was ordered to be received on Monday. The Committee of Supply was ordered to sit again en Monday. I'lie Committee of Ways and Means was post. poned till Monday. Mr. 1 4 ,0850 N postponed his Motion relative to the Bank of England, till Tuesday. Adjourned at a Quarter after Seven, till Mon day. THE SUN. SOLEM QUIS DlCLRE'r4itsunt AUDEAT ? LONDOIV, FEBRUARY 6, 18o2: IT is finally settled; we understand, that Sir Joitx MITFOItD succeeds the late Earl of CLARE, as Irish Chancellor, and that Mr. ABBOT is to be the new Speaker of the House of Commons. This Arrangement, we have no doubt, will give unive. sal satisfitaion. WE are sorry to state, that the account received some days ago, of the Loss of His . Majesty's Sloop Utde, of 18 guns, Capt. P. CANTS, is confirmed by intelligence brought by the Prince Adolphus Packet from Lisbon. She was bound f. 6 Minorca and Malta, with Money to pay the Troops, and unfortunately overset in a violent gale of wind, in the Gut of Gibraltar. it was feared that all the Crew had perished. Firs MA,' Es-t' yesterday morning at nine o'clock left Town for Windsor. The Qu P. EN and PRINCESSES, with their attend_ . ants, followed at noon, in their carriageS. The ROYAL FAM T. y are expected in Town on Wednesday, when His iVIAj ES TI will hold a Levee at St. James's Palace. Lord KENX'ON, we are happy to sav, was rather better last ni , vht, and his health has been mending for the last tnree days. His MAJESTY has appointed ALEXANDER FRP . - SEk TYTLER, Esq. to be a Judge of the Court . of Session, in the room of the late Lord S TON EF ELD. This morniog arrived a Mail froni Lisbon, brought to Falmouth by the Prince Adolphi.i Packet, in five days . . If the account brought by the Ilardurjh Mail which arrived.yeuterdy, be authentic, it shews a dis position, on the part of the T ur kiSh Governiiient, to esteem Great Britain as the lirost favoured. Nat;on; in which case; froM the numbor of our Shipping, and the enterprising spirit of Our Merchants, toge ther Witli the poweiftil means they possess of secur ing to themselvei a new channel of Commerce, there can be nb doubt, but that the Trade of this Country will be in'creased, intend of being di minished by the Peace, ai some have euperticially imagined. Nothing can be wiser and more politic than for our GOrerimient to Open new sources of Traffic; by which the genius of Our Nation may be kept alive, &ft. Se.amen employed, and mit. ReVenties ultithately increased. The Trade with Thrkey; once the most important to, and held almost exclusively by the Fretrch; may, .by the gratitude of the Porte, be thus converted into a lucrative branch of Eritish COthnieree. It cettairily Will be the most gratifying to the People of thiS Country, beeatist it has been fairly and hciiimirably won: Thursday morning a detachment of the GUarde, consisting of ico men, landed at the Sally Port, Portsthouth; from PEnpienne ; several of them appeared to be blind; having bandages tied round theist eyes; Another detachment of the Staff landed in the afternothii and ittarched for Petersheld on their route to town. _ ___.... In consequence of an otder froth the War-Office, received at Birmingham, several Recruiting Patties beat tip, there on Monday ; but it is only to com plete the old Regiments, lessened by deaths and discharges, and no more than a peace bounty is offered for recruits.. The similarity of the fate of C . lipt. FITZ G ERALD and Governor WALL is somewhat remarkable : They bcith belonged to the 69th Regimint of Foot ; and in the year 176? they fought a Duel at Gal. way. The former was hanged for murder at Castle Bur, and the latter fot the same crime in London. .I'ii fr.A.i iri'fri; TORBAY, FEn. 3, SATL 'pp the Ville de Paris IVIAri of fog Piy mouth. .FALMOUTH, FEE. 3. Txe Princess Elizabeth Packet, liitin, with tiit> Mail or the 20th ult. for the Leeward Islands t the Duke of York; DR AKE, and. Privce of WaLs TODD, with Mails of the it tth and tcith ult. (per Dude of York s ', and the 26th tilt, ( per Prince of Wales), are detained by contrary winds—We have at present in HarbOur the whole of the Packet belonging to the Lisbon station. The LGi'd Cfniqes Spficei-, COTESW . ORTH, and Cheito:•eid, BLIGHT, are appointed to rake Mails of next month; the for Mer for America, and latter for Janiaica. Arrived the Priirce .Adolphus Packet, joiciEs, sirt days from Lisbon : Passengers by her are, Colonel the Right Hon. Lord KENSINGTON and faily, and Captain PUILIF DUMARESQ, of the Navy. She brings an account of the loss of L'Utile SlOop of War, of 18 guns, Capt. P. CAN - Es; on her passage to Minot:ea and Malta, with" money to pay the Troops. She overset in the Gut of Gibraltar, in a violent gale of wind--it is feared all tile Crev , i are droWned. Also arrived the Brig Juno, Capt. REED, froth Havic-de-Grace for Madeira, eight cltys palsage and the American Ship Abig ; Capt. SNO'ki', from Norfolk; hlids: of tobacco for London, 35 days paSsage, and sailed again this evening. His Majesty's Ship La Censtavce, of 4 guns; and /Verity SchOoner; were laying at when the Pri,:ce Adolihus 'ailed from tlience. I'ORTSMOUTII j Fr B. 5. His Majesty's Ships Rest;;tree, Santa Tcresa . znci Za Miiievve, this day sailed for die Eastward; to be paid Off: Sailed His Majesty'y Ship Cergsfor: an a Cruize ; and Edquard and Mary, HA Ri,EY, for London. His Majesty's Ship Resi:tanrc arrivcd this day from a Cruize. \Vent out of Harbour to Spithcid, Ilk Majesty's Ships Endyinion, -Boadice a , ahcl Seitgul. His Majesty's Ships l'Egyp . s=ien, , ze and I'4frica;ne Are ordered to Sheerness to be Paid off. Atiiired the Alfred, CHAPMAN; from Havrede2, Grace, with coals, having been therc thre'e mOnths;'.. and not permitted to lanth HARWICH, F E B. 5. Tx A. 7 7;7? Georg'e Packet, Capt. Pk IP DEANE, With two Mails, 3 and the Diana, Capt. STEWART; with the last Hamburgh Mail, flailed this morning with a fair wind for Cuxhaven. At the same time the Princess Royal, Capt. Szi4TER; sailed for fieL, voetsluys, with the Dutch Mail of the 3d instant. The King (;eorie, Capt. Ft.yN, the Earl ojeLei.., celtr, Capt. Tao:sasoN, and the Prince of Wales, Capt A. DEANE, are every moment expected;, their respedive MAls having all been pat on shore to the NOtthward of this Port. Si:EERNESS, TH.r> day sailed up the Thames for Woolwich, His Majesty's Store-ships Wcohvich and Chichester. The Cal:itet did not sail for the Thames as was reported on the 3d inst. Court-Martial has been held on beard the kir, at this Pull, this day, on Monza's Atlin, Pilot of His Majesty's ShipMiizotaiir, far having, " through his ignorance and stupidity, ran her on the Pan Sand, en the 'evening of the LBth Olt." when the chargeS being, proved in part; he was severely re . - primanded, and strongly admonished to be thole careful in Ititure The NagicieNile has gen . e out of Harbour. The Funeral of the late Earl of CLARE took plgee in Dublin last Sunday morning .about ten o'clock. He was interred in St. Peter's Chuich-yard. Not_ withstanding it was designed by his friends to have a private one; it was attended by the greateSt train of Nobility and Gentry ever ternembeted on a simi lar occasion. The procession went froth his house in Ely-plate; by Hurne„street, along Stephen's-green, and through York -street, to the Churchyard. The Bearers were the Marquis of ELY, the Earl of SHANNON, Lord Viscount KILViARDEN, and Lord CiiARLEiriLLE. Ey his Will, he has bequeathed to his Lady x zool. Year; and hii seat at MOuntshannon - during the 'Minority of his eldesr.son; to her he also has con fided the education of his children, with an allow.. ante of .i6ool. a year for that purpose ; to the presetit Earl, his paternal and acquired property, about 60001. per ann.; to his second son and .hi only daughter, 20,0001. each ; and in case of failure of his own issue, he has devised his property to his nephews, the sons of Archbishop Bea ESFORD. —He particularly cautions his children against the sordid and disgraceful vice of gaining ; ,and though he wishes their education to be in England, here. conimendS them to reside, after they come of age, in Ireland, the country to which they owe every thing.—=His Executors are, Lord KILWARDEN, ROBERT FREN:If, and GEO. STEWART, Esqrs. Mr. PAUL VAICLANT, who died" a few days since in Pall-mall, served the office of Sheriff for London when the Earl of FE&RERS was executed for mur dering hii Steward; about .1.0 years ago.