The Sun. — London, England, 1813-01-05 00:00:00

CATIIOLIC CLADIS. , • A CILVR SGE , tr 'rLt F. 14)0 . BtsHor ov LINCoI,N, .DeLveretl hi,Mity, sjuyie ) arka .Tidy, lal2, to the Clergy (d his ' rtioreske. (Continued frain cu . ..Paper of Satitril.ly,) . - As-the authority of Mr. Fox may have _weight Popish witirsame of the present advocates for the cliniari, 1 beg leaVe:--to transcribe the 'fol lowing- passage from his - history of the early part tkie reign of James'the. Second : " But the inefficacy of mere hews in favour of the sidijects, iu the case of the administration of them falling into the hands of persons hostile o the spirit Winch they had been provided, had been so fatally evinced by the general history of England, ever s'alce the grant of the Great Charter, and more especially by the transactions of the pre- . ceding reign, that the Parliament justly deemed their work incomplete, unless the bilke of York were excluded from the succession to the Crown. A bill, thereft.re, for the purpose of excluding that Prince, was proposed, and-passed the House of Commons (1679) ; but being vigorously resist ed by the Court, • by the Church, arid by the To ries, vas lost in the House of Lords. The re strictions offered by the King to be put upon a Popish successor arc supposed to have been among the most powerful of those means to which he was indebted for his success. The dispute was no longer, whether or not the dangers resulting from James's succession were real, and such us ought to be guarded against by Parliamentary provisions but whether the exclu sion, or restrictions furnished the most safe and eligible mode of compassing the object which both sides pretended to have in view. The argument upon this state of the question is clearly, forcibly, and, I think; convincingly, -stated by Itapin, who exposes -very ably the extreme folly of trusting to measures, without considering of the men who are to execute them." Page 36. The firm adherence of the Papists to the spiri tual jurisdiction of the Pope in this realm, has lately been manifested in a strong and and singu lar manner. When the Popish. Question was brought forward in Parliament in the year 1808, it was proposed io both Houses, as it were in con cot and by authority, that the King should have a , negative upon the appointment of Popish Bishops in Ireland. But though this was represented by the most powerful and most zealous advocates of the Popish-cause, as tin indispensable condition of granting the Papists any farther political privi .leges, yet it was 'positively and peremptorily re fused by the Popish Bishops themselves, in the name of the whole Catholic Body, upon the ground • of its violating the rights of their Sovereign Pon• tiff; although the Pope has not the uncommitted power of appointing the Bishops is any - kingdom of .Europe, and the consent. of the Protestant King of England is necessary for the advancement of any person to the Popish See of Quebec. Is it to be belieVed that Papists would* true and faithful , subjects, if it' ;;:stead with power, to the Sovereign of these Kingdoms, when they deny him even 'a negative upon the appointment of Bishopricks • within his own dominions It is well known • that Popish Bishops have great influence with their clergy ; and, that time Popish clergy have great influence with their congregations ; and yet it is required that this influence should flow front a foreign source, through channels, over which the civil and ecclesiastical head of these kingdoms is to have no controul, no cheek, no in terterence. Can it be sale to place men in au thority under the King, who are thus attached to a foreign power, and,that foreign power at this 1110flient under absolute subjection to the most in veterate enemy of this country ? It would be un instance of the grossest kind of that acknow ledged absurdity, imperinnt in imptrio. It would be to give the Pope it complete command over the minds mid consciences of men, who would owe an unreserved and undivided allegiance to another • master. Let it not, however, he imagined, that I think this Veto would be an effectual prcsenat ire • against the dangers to be apprehended frost th e admission of Papists to au equal participation . 01 ". power with Prote,tants. .1 mention it solely f or the purpose of drawing from it this inference, which appears to • the deserving:- of • most serious eon namely, that no.eredit is due to t h e nycertion, that the Papists of the present day Ore ihilerellt 110111 the Papists f.ainer is it to be supposed that l'apists,-huve renounced n ov of the di4wriminating and exceptionable doe trines of the Church of Rome, when we see thew so pertinaciously uttering to its forms and disci pline, at it moment when they mire soliciting fresh tavommo and privileges, and upon a point too, which leas been conceded in other countries, and even in one of our own foreign possessions ? Can any s initance he conceived, which sbutild snore Strongly indicate an unctinciliatiog temper, or more distinctly murk the improbability,. of their mtrqnieseenee in any terms of adequate security, NVislell many of their advocates tieknowle4e ue cesSaryto,besubstituted insteaditif the existing laws, but which have never yet been especially stated / Nor are other proofs wanting that the doctrines and principles of Papists have undergone no new alteration; hi a book, published by authority, fur the use of the students at Maynooth College, the " Infallibility of the Romish Church," witicla in fact comprehends all its other doctrines, is re peateilty and unequivocally maintained ; and the concludes with these remarkable words, r‘ Itagoe maximo inl pretio illurl Concilimn (Tri dent:noun habere &them onmes,Clerici tom rat i one Doginatutu sit veluti (minium priece tent.imca ynotlormun, compendium, et ratione Disciplinam'merito diei possit Manuale Sacerdo— (minium qui .SacerdotiO stint initiandi." Those, therefore, who are at this day educated foe, the Popish Priesthood, in this kingdom, are not instructed in any new system of theology and morals, purged of all' the old obnoxions tenets,. but they are taught to set time highest value upon the Decrees of the Council of Trent, which, be tildes asserting the former errors and corruption of Popery, tire known t o h e i ts th e highest degree hostile to Protestants. And in the .'catechism taught in die saute College, supported as !t is by our Pi atestant Gov( tithititt, it is cxpeesrly assert ed, thin there is 110 , :ialya.tion out of the pale of the Romidt Church. In a late publication of nr. Plowden, called " The Case ;Wed," it is openly avowed, that the very same tenets are maintained by the Papists of theSe days, MAC!' were held by their brethren of former times. He' expressly says, " If any; one pretend to instance, that the modern Roman Catholics differ in one iota from their ancestors, he either deceives himself, or be Wishes to deceive others. Scalper cadent is more emphatically descriptive of our religion than of our jurisprudence." The titular Archbishop of Dublin, Dr: Troy, in his Letter, published but a few years since, says,that " the religions opinions of Roman Catholics, being unchangeable, are ap plicable to all tunes ;" and that the decision of general councils are of infallible authority, and absolutely binding upon Roman CathOlieS, as rules of faith and conduct. And he particularly quotes, with marked approbation, the f;!ttrth La tera'n Council, the decrees of which enjoin the utter eXtirpation of Heretics (that is of all Chris tians differing front the. Church of Iloto.), and the dethronement of Heretical Sovereigns; and they declare, that all engagements entered into with Heretics, though sanctioned by oath, are twill ties in themselves, It seems wonderful, that with the avowal of these principles before their eyes, and With the certain knowledge of a variety of facts and events, which have taken 'Alec in Ireland, in the last 20 years, in exact conformity with these priciples, I. any persons should imagine that 'the grant of the claims now made would tonciliate 'the Papists , and make those contented and loyal who watthl'other wise he torhulent and seditious. The demands of ' 1793, were made under the sauce promi,e; of peaceable behaviour and zealous "tkertion in de. fence of country against the common cue-, my; and also With au assurance, that if they should be granted,.the Papists would apply for no futther indulgence. All those demands were then gran!.- 'ed ; and what was the consequenee? The Papists having thus acquired additional strength, and hav ing, as they supposed, lulled the government into security by their promises and professions, formed new conspiracies, prepared for open rebellion, and invited the French to their assistance, for the pnrpOse of accomplishing their real objeLts, sepa ration from Great Britain, and Roman Catholic Ascendancy, Let it be remembered, that the con cessions in 1793 were far more extensive in their operation, and therefore inure likely to cause ge net al satisfaction find to excite gratitudeamong the Papists at large, than the grant of the ,claims v► urged would be, the advantage of which Must ne cessarily be confined to a few of the richer and higher orders. The eagerness with which thes e claims are pressed, pl a i n ly proves the anxiety of the Papists to obtain political power, told the rea diness with which all ranks have concurred in Pe titions for privileges in which by fir the greater number can have no personal interest, shews, how easily the whole body is put had motion by those whu have influence with them. ('ra be continued.) POLI CE. MA N lON-1011s Davis was brought before the LORD MAYOR, charged with stealing from a .cart, in NicholaS-laue, Lombard-street, a bundle, containing► übout . 72lbs. weight of pork, and some wearing apparel, the property Mr. Reed, of Greenwich. The carrier bad just step ped into a house, when the Prisoner very, delibe rately. took the bundle, and was going awry with it ; but another carrier, of the name of Jones, stopped hint,. and the property was soon after Identified. He was fully committed for trial, Guttm If AL T., .--•-iilltrder."--4 Oh n Bloomfield, a watchman belonging to the parish of St. Sepul chre, having been murdered on Sunday morning, hetween one and two o'clock, the Sitting AZrrgis trate was occupied at this office, for a considera ble time, ywiterday, in endeavouring to. trace .to whom the foul act was imputable. Three persons were put to the bar onntspicion, vi z. Cornelius Sullivan., Tlwa Griffiths; im4.illary Slovens. Against these prisoners appeared two hrother§, of the tonne Masheter, both officers of the navy. These (fent(emelt .stated, that they were walking tip Skinner -street, on snuday morning, between one and two o'clock. The one had hold of the other's arm; and on reaching the corner of Sea-coal-lane, a man rushed 'forth, and With out the slighest provocation, knocked one Of them down, :old on his getting up again repeated the %time violence. The other brother immedi ately called the watch, upon which the aggressor, and a companion who was with him, ran oft, and for that tune evaded their pursuers. In a very few minutes atterwards, the attention of Messrs. Masheter was directed to it crowd on the Opposite side of the way, at the' door of Mr. Godwin, the bookseller. They crossed over to ascertain the cause, and there found a watchman in the agony of death, arising apparently from a wound or contusion inflicted on the jugular vein. A consi derable quantity of blood was then "issuing front his mouth. They remained on the spot for some atinutes, and were at length induced to go . to the watch-house, to give such, information as came within their knowledge of the circumstances. They bad not been long there when two men and a, woman were brought in, in custody, otte of whom, the elder Mr. Masheter believed to be the fellow who had struck his brother, and pis , it also apeared from other testimony, that . they were all together immediately preceding the violence committed on Mr. Masheter, they were sent to the Compter, upon the presumption that , in at tempting to escape from justice, one ofthem inflict ed the blow which caused the death -of Bloom field. •- Anne Simpkins deposed, that she wars i n Skin ner-stroet at the time stated hy' the last two wit nesses, She saw the prisoners. together itt the Star' public-house, in the Old Bailey, shortly be fore. She also saw Mr. Masheter and, his brother . walking Slowly up Skinner -street, and Sullivan rush suddenly from' Sea-eoal-lane, and knock him down twice. GrilEtbs took Sullivan by, the arm, and endeavoured to get him away, ,On the LONDON: by TttomA,, wool), of :•;,, 22, It asivll- et>ut t, ch-dreet, tovvrit-v,:tr,b.o o l d Pu b lish' 0.41 by WILLIAM ARMIGEII SCRIPPS, South Moltou-street, Groivvnor•squafo , At tlit: 3VN Ot 1., ICE, Nu. .11..!, 6t.r,c 1 (1, oritere for the Paper, Lctt&rs tor the Editor, ikr. (post paid), most be addressed. Watch being ollect ) they Went bff tdgetuf. She had not,the slightest doubt, as their per sons. A cauutryman Was present ) also bore testimony to the identity tit the prisoners. john.'Ward ) d watehmettild Cow-lane, said', hci heard the alarm of the/rattles; and shortly af ter met the deceased, !old asked hint if he knew where the row *as ? He answered, he believed in Skinner-street. Witness inmtedlately fan that way, and the ((ceased folloWed close behind him. He saw the crowd assembled at the corner of Sea coal-lane, and approadied it to ascertain 'the cause. He learned that a gentleman had been knocked down, and that the assailant had got off. While talking, he heard a taint noise, us if from a suppressed attempt to twirl a watehtaan's rattle. The noise came from Mr. Godwin's door, whither he proceeded, and there found the deceased lean ing against the door in the agonies of death. 'They lilted him up, and he immediately expired. He seemed to have received a most violent blow on the side of the neck, which was cut : the blood flowed in great quantities from his mouth. Witness saw no person run towards the deceased. Benjamin Hodges, a private watchman in Skin ner-street, was alarmed by sonic persons coining to his 'box, and calling ,him out; he suspected they only wished to get him away from his nuts ter's premises, and did not feel disposed to go, hut at length being alarmed by the faint rattle al luded to by the last witness, he went to the spot, and there found the deceased in the state de scribed. The Watchman of the Sun Fire-Office hearing :the 'alarm of rattles, ran up Snow-hill towardsthe place front whence the sounds proceeded ; as he rm.. he porecivf.td It tall stout man rim quickly by him.. Ile did not, however, take notice of this eircmmtaace with any degree of saspiciOn, as he was not aware of the cause of the disturbance --- On reaching the crowd, helearnt what had taken place ; was alarmed with the others by the faint rattle, and on approaching, discovered what had already been described. The prisoner Griffiths now begged to be heard. He : stated,. that'he had been spending the even .ing with Sullivan. They bad been to the Thatched House public-house, and bad gone from thence to the Star public-house, in the Old ; they there drank a couriderable quantity, and at about Gulf-past one quitted the house, the •fernale pri soner being in their company. Hating. Met aim they woman in Skinner-street,. some altercation took place, and on the two Gentlemen (Messrs. liasheter) approaching, Sullivan knocked one of them down twice.' lie (Griffiths) then took him by the aria, and, dragged him away ; after which they all three ran down into Fleet-market; and afterwards returned to the place where the assault had been conn..itted. They subsequently went back to Fleet-Market,' where Sullivan and the fe- . male prisoner quarrelled, and made so much noise that the watchman took them into custody, and conveyed thein to St. Andrew's watch-bouse. He (Griffiths) followed them, to Speak in their behalf, when he KS well. as they were detained, and sent to the Compter. lie denied that any violence bad been committed towards the watchmen. He said he was himself a master turner, living in Clerkenwell, and that Sullivan, who lived in the Borough, occasionally cut out work fur him, Mr. Nalder, the Deputy Marshal, said, that there was a considerable variance hetweeli the story now told by Griffiths and that which he bad told him the clay before. Several watchnien spoke of Sullivan as being a man of dubious character, a frequenter of houses of bad repute. in Chick-lane, and other well knoWn receptacles of suspicious character. , Alderman ATKINS said, it was probable other light sons might be found competent to throw more upon chi. mysterious ;Mail.; and, in order to give an opportunity for the adduction of such evidence, he directed that the prisoners should be remanded until to-morrow (this day). They were accordingly remanded, and all the witnesses in attendance were directed to' go before the Co roner's Jury. •.Bow-STREET. —Forgeries. —Yesterday John Langhorne, who was' employed under Capt. Da niels, the Paymaster of the Army for the Kent district, who absconded from that county, and was pursued to Lancaster, and from there back to Derby, a abort time since was brought to the Office, and underwent a long examination, the detal of which is void of public interest ; only, we are exts cn►ely sorry to say, for a character like the prisouer, who has been posiessed of consider able property, and been highly respected , as a mercha►►t, that it %vas proved that numerous for geries, to a very considerable extent., had been committed, in which Captain Danicls's name, the 'Field-Officer of the district, the Adjutant of the Kent Local Militia, and a number of Military Officers' names have been forged, and the pri soner is strongly suspected of having forged th em . Sonic of theta were allowed to be most excellent imitations, Mr. LicartELn, the Solicitor to the Treasury, attended to conduct the prosecution, and stated, that he was directed so to do on the part of Go vernment. Mr. NARES, the Sitting Magistrate, asked the prisoner if he had any thing to say in his defence ? Ile replied, he had not. He was committed for trial. On Wednesday last, a most shocking accident occurred at the Proving-house, in IValtner-lane, Birmingham. One of the workmen employed in proving the guns for the army, stepping, before the muzzels of the barrels after ageneral discharge, to fresh prime two or three which had not explod ed, the old Priming soddenly took effect, and the contents of the piece literally carried away the poor fellciw's leg and thigh. He was immediately conveyed to the hospital, but died in few minutes aster his arrival - there, leavin a widoW__ and six children who were dependent upon his in duStry. , On last Tuesday evening, as a young woman Was tritVelling on the outside of the Arundel stage coach, she dropped asleep on the roof, and fell from it, when one of the wheels ':passed over her, and unlfappjly killed her on the spot. - • A turiOuj t e a s e -=-The ?Arming cuttit4l z , * '; 1 . 1 has bccurred tit Hull, a few days ago.- Oa Stl day a womaii tif the liami'of S4gul iraS,comniitted to tbe'gatil at that .place, t following grounds young Wortr_illiii%ll° MarV BUrbillder, dep a Oitta, that having SO: Val(' a stranger; search ofplace; with Seymour at a lodging-houSe ye,.terday't!.oj night, who told her 3he could procure her . Edon ; accordingly, on Saturday inarnit4ol' Set off together, as ti! d'oPonent 'thought, for ", dOn; Ina instead of that, her conipa rt ion tor t to Ferraby ; and Mule? the pretence of gettl her to buy something for her• children, sen t „ into a shop.. Durk) , " her abseiled for pose, Seymour made Ott with two handles of I,„e g ' ing apparel, belonging to Maryßarbindet. l woman, who g wts taken into custody, with bundles upon her, at Melton. The rods 1 1! produced, and sworn to by Mary Barbinder, p alarm bein iven,ursuit Was made d ol moor, who alleged the had brought O'e.'ll cell out of Lincolnshire, was coniinitted day to take her trial for the robbery dt the C I ! jog Sessions. The girl was bOUnd over to P r ' s un cute, and lodgings were obtained for' her, the Sessions, or until she could procure a Ott Tuesday, however, she W.ts apprehertdo(:; charge, of having stolen great part of the l' e! tides in question from Mr. Clemeshaw, 13!''' ley, from Whose service she had absented lie without any notice: In consequence she wa sts l to Beverley, to be examined before the of that place. • LONDON MARKETS, tic. RETURN OF wiIEA By Messrs CHILI) anti N. Including only from 22 Quarters at 1423 od 65 - at 140 s ott 20; 171 at 136$ oil 289 3 2 4 127 at 133 s od 257 at 1323 Ott 180 8 47 " at 13us od 621 2.7 ....—•••••-•-•• at 1263 od And Si Quarters at Total 5,756 Quarters. os. 91,t. lower tl I' IN MAIt.F.I.I.AN t, 4 ALP As, Meal 1Ye 1 g 1 " 151 Dec. 21 to Dec. 26. I i 228 --- at 110 1.- 0J 306 ----- at 124 , 43 ----,,,. al 123, G 4 416 -- at 12 , ! I 42, ------• 4 6,1 ----- at Ith oi li6 ------ a t ! if:: : 37 6 ------*°t, :::.' s ni I 41 ------ ''. r o e 0 4 73 ---....1it• 1 ‘ a j 32 ............•••*atioi i C toes. per Qu arter . .--,AVeraga 120. Sit' 'llan last Return.,.....--' . _ A RETIs RN 0 F FLO U It, o dice, From Dcc. 19 to Dec 25.--Frons the Cocket, ~ Sacks. s. d. Sacks. s. fl. S;" V . ....... 01 3 si c ° 1 7it —.—toB 3 I 3t4 ~..761 94 6 7 sso o 355 —lo7 6 „ow/ 2 •15 109 o 63 --ro6 o s:A! And so Sacks, at toos. per Sack• 4,50, Total—tt,3B6 Sacks. —Aver.ge 139,6-0. P" 98d. per back !wet thin last rettin--s.>.„ --'' ---.... ....- ••- • UXBRIDGE. ' Corn-Inspector's Return. _Thursday,Pic V ;;l t ' ~, to • W „ ht. Perin 2 i .4. 10S to 371 OS Beans loss ' .- , to il; Hurley, per qr. 56s od , tn 65s New ditto 6006 ~t s P ) Oats .113 S od to OS 04.1 Rye c P e a s e 85s od to 87s ad. _.........,...d St.hliS. Ditto F.nglistt - . 61s. to rizs. 4 ,. Red Clover( Foreign) - - stns. to n o s. ovr. Whitoclitto, - - - I'm. to 15 9 '• I , r l , lt yr-Grass . . • . 3es. to sr , '• l i t b::;:'• .1. "'"IP. White . . 16s. oft. to 2 0 ' Red anti Green - . 21E. egt• t o 1.4 . '. I. j White Mustard S e ed - 225, pit. tO 24 ' • ',..,), ig " . Drown ditto - -211 s. ad• t:' r,,:: ,), Carraway ;weds . - 7;3. od• t ' ) -: , , Coriututer do, - • 3s s, (..t• to ''','"; r ot 4 . Cinque Fain .. • --s. c d ; to — " t ot , Trefoil . - - 2,,5. to 7 S,;. i'''' rg..f " Canary - - - t os s. 1 u 1;53. ~,I• Oil Cake at the Mill. 171. $75. p e r thotri.„.",r..> 1 1 1(11.3i. ti" tIltWll44/1. f)P g NsW r to t Kent, tot. O. to t4l. os. Kent,: I I to 13 1 , Sussex, 191. 9s. to t 3 1 .. S. Sussex, io' li.SllOll, 101. 00. to 114 lO C E3lllllJan, Zol• Old I..)idy laid 3,1 r -58....,..1 taiWCATE AMU I.I.;mJENt - tht.l , Ily,the Careaie. Peer 3s. Bd.' to ss. 41. Vc4l . v . ca. t o ° 6 l ! : ' Muttoil 411. ott. to si. 61. I Pork ss. 2 v.i. 0 ; - . ut t: t l t t. s t . C i t: t o o r s L 6 E ib A . ' e l a t c l i li i I: ;per W.) At LE Al ) 1 •; : ‘ 111 ( 0 .." ; Ditto, s 6 to 661 b. each - . 2. 6 '!' to 1 Merchants' Backs, . w• O', to 1 Dressing tildes, - - ;et . " so " . Fine Coach Hides, - - :t 0 3 ' I, tO l eV . 1 Crop Hides, 'is t° -1 01 b. for cutting - ' 1 to k , o, C D a i I l i t o S kins, 3o t t o o 4 5 :11 b ): 32d. - to 31;1..per lb ,' Ditto, So, to 7olb. 33 I. to, 4 id. pet' lb . Ditto, 70 to *oily: 334, to cd. per II!' no lb. Small Seals (G reen l an d) 335. ed. to 395.0"• ' . Large ditto, - ; zos, to 1 8 3 s. per clo . Tanned Horse Hid es Goa Skins . d 1 21‘l• to i 30. to 61s. per din, Beat !loiters L Steers,(perst.) 11 Ordinary is Su *- ~, J , 15 (i 2S SA to 3s 6! Mrtket Call ti) „if Middlings 24 o d to as 4: 1 Eng.ltorae 46 ed.' . Slicarlings .. .. 361. t06._._.......1'./# TALLOW. o w Town'rallow 89$, . p t . Yellow Russia White do. 89i. 03 • 1 0,. Soap do. ilv• tp. dci 'Melting S i itll.7.td,' Average pricy ss. ad. Ditto rotten AV' Graves As. 04 1 . d. Good Dregs t 9 ur o'l' g al Yellow Soap, , tool.---Mottled, Pa os. Price or Candles per dozen, lm 't3s. b.k. " . — M, e ' L : 15 S 6d. per dozen allowed tor ready St. IAt.I.ES'a 11AV MARKET, 1 10 ',.1;. IIAY, al. t 64. od. to 61. tos: Straw, tl. t 64. od. to zl. 64. 6.1.--Aver. PRICE OF St. aines's Market ss. lit. Clare Market... ss. zt. A/Wet:hap, Markasi. per steam ofillb. HAY rvfMtts:V l. .i. lily 41. 4s. to 51. 1.44. .—A cr. 41. ° l ( 4." v ' Straw it. 163. ad. to O. 6s. oJ.—Aver- Clover 61. tos. ed. to 71, los. od• """4." MAICRIP.D. V..;4 a ! lja„ On 'fbursday,,at St. Punci as, .1. F. L " e 0 " 1 ",,t Oard-street, Russell-square, to Nliis DIED. r . On the 11th of October last, in Sttrista mt 04 it late Governor of that Colony, in the Gist year 0' tw ic On the elgtult. William Lowe, - Fisq. of shire.' „: On the 23d ult. Southwell, Nutty, aged SO. ibi °rl Yesterday morning,_ after a painful illnet 4 p 0 sth son oOlenry Thomas senor-place. 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