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•-~r---. , .- its pelepeted, that the wad " saves'' as the term Intentioned in the Bill. as the first enlistment, lie omitted, in order that the word " twenty" be sub stituted in its room. TbeIiorioiLAITDERDALR. isaspeech of some length, opposed the amendment. which, in the first instant,, he ceinter4 4 ,ll, was as objellionahle, ac cording toes: argieberits of Noble Lords opposite, ern the letnands ef its infringing the Royal Prero gative. The real questien at issue was, which of the twe plaits afforded the greater temptation to in dividuals to enter into the Military service ? and he thenght after what was repeatedly advanced in at-- gement by Noble Lords at his side on a former bight - and, indeed, (tom the ee'ent tendeecy of Ise di fferent el arteme. little of real doubt could ob- Win as to the question. This seemed even to be the opinion of the Administration, cf which the Noble lewd laradyjerenseel a part; as, with respell to the marines, a •Cteeps of the greatest importance, appeared, en order had !wen issued from the t it e Boast.' of Admiralty, dated the 3d of February, enlist for limited service; and this experiment. Ps far as it went, proved cnr.siderably proAtetive, M at...peered be the accounts of an officer of high in that Corps, to whom the Noble Earl re. rary ed After this, he deemed it rather extraordi. the Noble Lord should contend against the principle of limited service; there was not the **lithe ground to suppose the measure would not **lithe tame beneficial effea, generally, through but the service. He, therefore, for one, felt it his gty to resist the Amendment proposed by the "Table I,erd. Lord HA WEESRURY, in explanation, observ ed, that with reaped to such an order issuing from the Beard of Admiralty, as the Noble Earl di,- Scribed, he had never heard of it. The period was said by him to be the 3d of February, which was but two days before he had resigned the seals of lectecary of State ieto the hands of His Majesty. • The Earl of SUFFOLK argued against the sdeption of the Amendment. It had been objected to ibis measure under consideration, that it was pin. posed to be peemanent. That, with him, was an begembeat in its favour ; he hoped it was meant tee part if a weit.regulated system: a charaeter "hie's, in either point of view, did not belong to the crude and temporary measures of the late Ael rethaistratiee. lbe Bail of WESTMORLAND, in a speech of some length. supported the amendment pro psed b e his Noble Friend; in the course of which 'he went over a great deal of the line of ar .riasent he bad adopted on a former night. He still contended the Bill, in its present shape, in terlocked on the Beret Prerogative ; and seemed 0.11112 4111 opinion, that, in case of invasion, His Majesty, were the A& passed in its present shape, end net accept the offers of men to enlist os erst.iiers, by any other mode than that pre . scribed 'which alone could .bring them under the pe ssakaaa of the Mutiny AEI. With his Noble Friend. be mpg istirely igssdrant of the order said to be dated . hy the hteotrd of Admiralty. The success gib& a aseasdre. he denied, however, the No ble Eitlis having proved. because be neither speci- I bd Itmaimber of men raised, ncr the proportions of dew. After arguing against the Bill in its ~great shape, on a vatiety of grounds, he con altsded h 7 expressiag his cordial approbation of the kiessoimoat. the qoestion which bad been previously called for, was then put, when Lord Hawkesbury's Ame:dment was negatived without a division; the Bill read a Sd time and passed; and a mes sage sent to acquaint the Commons therewith. CHELSEA ALLOWANCE JILL. • The House having resolved into a Committee on this BBL a conversation of some length, and rather of a desultory nature, arose, in which the Earls of We•tmorland. lloaslya. Moira, Lauderdale, and Carnareen, and Lords Grenville, Eldon, and Hasrkeshury, were the Speakers. • At length. Lord GRENVILLE reminded the Cemmiltre, that the question before their Lordships was. el-ether ;he consideration of the Preamble of the Bill be now postponed This being carried in the affirmative, the Clauses of the Bill were ag:eed to by the Committee, and the Bill was reported wittiest amendment. A short convert cation took place in an under tone of voice, between Lords Grenville, Walsingham, and the Chancellor, partly across the table, relative, as we could colleCt, to a question of privilege stett ed on a termer night, in consequence of which the sera-gets had been diteCted to withdraw. '1 he LORD CHANCKLLOII alluded Sr the groiinds upon which he was inclined to postpone the discussiro of the above, and observed, that the Commons had no more constitutional right to arrest ..... or to entoree tetweertendener et-a Peer of Ile Realm • (alluding to a former vote of t'..at House, which included Lord Teiptnouth), than they had that of a Lord of Parliament; at the same time his lordship observed,• there appeared no proof to him, that that House meant to aft in such a way. Some routine business was then disposed of, and at half past S ilielt.ek their Lordships adjourned till to-morrow . when they stand summoned on Lord Creneille's intended propositions tespeCting the ad ministration of justice in Scotland. ---.o—. i r IPOUSE t)t , C.VMMUNS. - ..e--•arr of Greenwich Ilospitat preiriteli the areesets ;e terAny by V net. 110.3. I..—. Ordered to lie tra be Si , I SINCLAIR gave notice, that he weli..! to-lorwrine dr,e t..eatt.otion of th 7 11.1:c to the seetect et tynert-wher eit o‘lgons its Scothierl, plYtiCalatly 4 far as regraded outage pasetagris on them. On the motion of Mr Alderman COMNF Ho rat ie earned the debate on the firm readiog of the gore I.trotaticet Corporation Nil, awl after some obrwvations from %lent. st. Lefevre, and Alexander, mad Sir T. !tfeti!a:fe„. and the gallery being cleared fur a division, tbeiiii eel reel a fiat tufo:. Several Petitions against the Bill, and praying Mit it might nut mu tato. law, from :he d:fferent S wafire rate Ndetrojal'is, wet, presented by Altl-nmen Art.:atoll t a d Cwt.., anti • ' , lend be lie no the Table. The beds Export mid Impart Pe ant! 3egu'ation B;11 rots re:.l a fiat, and ord.!red to be teat a 'moon time to-inorruw. The Insb Spirit 1.,-eace Amendment 8.11 was also reed • lira, awl urile7sd to he read a set.,nettifillun Thurt•lay. Mr. Afoot, (rein the India Board, eleven:v.3 pipes relative to the Deists of the Ceraattc.w-tarder , A tole au situ Sir JOHN NEW MINN moved that theOnler rot ving ini• a Cominittee ot. ti:e Irish Ildirit:a Volunteer Bill he vlrretgal. 30. the patinae of ti.trodueln; onortirr short awl temporary Nal. which, he th•oetr„ wooded he les. • to ..• 1,1 ' 4 bait little amide of the atteinlanee of tile* Conn. title, he hoped the Hon Baronet 00014 ilst. en as•uvoce thr.t the new Rill would not contain ►ay of those pans that Mere obiefted to. • Sir JOHN NEWPORT replied, that it ass not a measure of the present Adminishation, who found it ready He, however, assured the Hon. Member, that any suggestions that tiler be made, would be attended to, and that n wit his intention 'hit the 13111 6110114 be pi The Order was then d.,cli.need, and the Bill witlul•aan. On the motion of Mr WILBRAHAM Pourt.E, ti e minutes of the ',:donee taken before the Matt Committee were ordered to he laid before the Item , . The Irish Election Bill was mad a second time, and tom. mitred for Thursday neat. On the minion of Mr PAUL, a return was direct -d to be made forthwith to the order of the 13th itnt. Mr. CALVERT mooed—" that there be laid befire the !How. a return of the number of informations laid, a•vl pnne- Cited to conviction, or co•npromiscd by the Exci..e, t mos cpierie. of eva•iont of the Duty 011 Malt, k 0 Wit real:, Lilt:111g the Ist of June, 1806."—Ordered INDIA AFFAIRS. Mr. WALLACE, in order to vindicate the late Beard of Controul, from the charge of wilfuliy withholding Papers, which would be necessary the articles exhibited against the Marquis Wellesley, moved that these " be laid before the House so much of the Papers respecting the °tide charge, as re lated to the private chars to of the Nabob." Lord MORPETH said, he retained the same cbjeCtions to this motion now, which he urged against it on a former occasion. Mr. PAUL said, he should not object to them, but thrught it very extraordinary that they should now be moved (or by a Member of the same Board, which withheld them, as being State se crets, twelve months ago. They would exhibit the Nabob's private charaaer in an unfavourable point of view, and shew that line of conduct to which he was driven only by injuries, oppression, and injustice. Mr A. WELLESLEY said, that though the papers would be favourable to the cause of his Noble itelatior, he must objeft to them, as tending to injure the charafter of a Prince, with whom we are now in amity, in the eyes of his own subjen, Mr. PAUL said, that in the Papers presented by the late Board, there were a Lumber of ma terial paragraphs omitted, which were totally un connefted with the private charaCter of the Nabob. Mr. HOLFORD contended, that the paragraphs alluded to, were, in substance s contained in the Papers produced ; but of that the House weuld judge, when the whole should be before them. Mr. Calvert, Mr. Alexander, Sir R. Buxton, and Mr. Rose, were against the ratio:lion of the Pa pers ; and after the strangers were several times or dered to withdraw preparatory to a division, Mr. WALLACEssid, he would consent to withdr rw hit motion, upon the undetstanding. that the 1-I , ruse was perfeftly convinced, that no blame attached to the late Board of Controul. The SECRETARY at WAR, pursuant to order, Presented a copy of His Majesty's instruttions to tl4 Conamissiouers of Chelsea Hospital, in regard to the treatment of the Out•pensioncrs.—Ordered to lie on 'the table. The Irish Mine Bill was read a second time, and committed for to-morrow. CHARGE AGAINST MARQUIS VFELLESLET. Mr. PAUL, seeing a Noble Earl (Temple) in his place, wished to observe, that the order made far Thursday next related to the Ferrukabad charge, and that of which he gave notice for tomorrow was the Oude charge. His intention was to go into evidence to-morrow, if that course should be al lowed, and was desirous of knowing the Noble Earl's intention ? Earl TEMPLF. replied, that he was very glad to afford the Hon. Gentleman the satisfaction he wanted. His object in making the motion, was to prevent a long time from elapsing, after the charge was laid upon the table, before the House came to a question on it ; but he had also stated, at the same time, that if the Hon. Member had any motion to make upon the subjeet, he would be wil ling to give way. If he should propose to-morrow to go into evidence, his object would be answered, as that would be taking the charge into consideration. SLAVF. TRADE. Earl Temple presented a Petition from the Planters of the Island of Jamaica, against the Bill for prohibiting any more vessels being employed this year in the Slave Trade, than what had already sailed, and prayed to be heard by themselves or Counsel, on the second reading of the Bill. The Petition was ordered to lie on the table ; but, on the suggestion of Mr. FOX, the hearing of Counsel was deferred to a future day. Earl Temple presented, also, a Petition from Mr. Pusey Lyer, and other Agents; and Mr. Rose another, from the Ship-Owners of London, to the same effel, which were similarly disposed of. Mr. FOX then moved the second reading of the Bill, whicia was done without producing/ any conversation, and ordered to be commffted on Thursday next. On the motion of Earl TEMPLE, the Thread Lace Bill was ordered to be re-committed to morrow. IRISH POST ROADS. Mr. Alexander brought up the Report of the Irish Post Roads Bill. Mr. CARR ohjefled to that part• of the Bill which subjeded baronies to the payment of the ex pences of those roads, which, in some places, ran • a great way into them, and ought to be at the Jsarge of the counties at large. It was, he said, his intention to propose a clause to the effeet of what he ritenfithied. Flie SPEAKER informed him, that he would, in another stage, have an opportunity of doing so. Mr. FOSTER observed, that the Hon. Mem her's clause had been refused in the Committee, last night, and supposed the same reasons would be sufficient for its rii,Clion now. The best way, in his opinion, would be, not to put the Grand Juries fiedzr any restrietions, but leave to them the ills rretion, wiiether a part of the elpence should be paid by the baronie.., or the whale defrayed by the counties at large; as, in that respell, many parts of Ireland were very differently situated. Mr. STEWAR L . concurred in this opinion; and the Bill was ordered to be read a third time to morrow. Mr. Ilan-thorn bought up :he Report of the Committes of Supply of ye , terday, aliowirg the WU 9e.09Q1. ill a compeolottion to ,iUr.us Cliambeta and their !:uses by the LH , •!, W. ,reel to. The Oibtaltat and Malta Postage . 13;11, the Duke of Grafton's Agreement Bill, fry the butlerage of wines, and the Prussian Yam Bills, were read second time. aad committed for to-morrow. rle West India Auditors' Dal was read a third j time, and passed. MIMIC ACCOUNTS. Lord H. PET TY gave notice, that on Monday next he should move for leave to bi ing in a Bill for more effentr.illy auditing the public accounts of this kingdom. AMERICkN INTERC3URSE MIL On the motion being made star the second read ing of tie; Hill, The SPEAKER asked, whether there were any Counsel attending but none appeared. Mr. HOSE then said, that the persons Most deeply affeeled in this Bill, sere apprehensive that the hearing of Counsel in this stage. would only be produeiive of delay. lie understood, that the merchants had an interview upon the subject with the Setretery of State, but though he beard them very patiently, their arguments did not appear to have made any impression on him. These Gentle. men, however, both here and in the out-ports, felt their interests, which were of the greatest magni tude, very deeply affected by it. The planters were Ali() in the same situation ; for though at times it %%44 necessary for them to have supplies from the continent of America, yet it was very well known, that during the whole of the last peace, they were regularly supplied by British shipping. Oa the breaking out of the war, when sufficient convoys were not provided for the trade, the Governors thought it necessity to give permit ion for the im portation of provisions and lumber into the islands in the West-Indies, from the American continent. On an inquiry made into this subbed, by the Privy Council, they were of opinion, that the supplies might lie sufficiently transmitted in British shies, and so it continued fur some years; after which the Governors again thought proper to relax the laws. The Board of Trade then took the mbjeet into con sideration, and the censiceence was, that striet in structions were sent to frt. Governors. They were told, they must depend on their own responsibility and that if they used that ton freely, they were not to expect that tecy should receive any indemnity. From an application which was afterwards made, by the Merchants and Ship-owners, Lord Cam den, then Secretary of State, sent a letter to ti.e el svernors, pruhPaiting their opening the p rtts to American veveis, except in casts o: real distress, and that nothing should be allowed to be imported from tl.e American States, than front the British Colonies in America. The importations from the States were also confined to lumber and provisions. In consequence of this, the West India Governors, particularly those of Bar badoes and Jamaica, narrowed the importations very considerably, and no bad effeas were produced from it. The American produce was allowed flee of duty ; hut if the intercourse was permitted at all, i he saw no reason why they should not pay the, same as British vessels paid. when they went from this country to America. It was true, the Americans did rest make a claim of this, but it existed notwithstanding. There was more mischief in this, than in any other Bill he ever sew, for it was a complete suspension of the Navigation Laws, till the end of the war, for which direetions had been sent out already, although there was no precedent in former times, for any suspension be yond a single year. This measure would debar British ships from the trade most effeCtually, as long AI the war continued, and at present it was impos sible to say what may be the period of its duration. He then went into a repetition of the calculation he made befoze, to shew, that in consequence of this suspension, the number of British ships employed in the trade had, within a few years, been diminished from 935, to 107, with a proportionable diminution in tonnage and seamen ; the consequence of which was, tnat he understood there were, in the last year. no less than 10,000 hogsheads of sugar, which could not be brought home for want of shipping. If this Bill should pass. he should venture to assert, that in a short time there would not be more than twenty-one British ships em ployed in that trade, It was a maxim here tofore M this country, that however partial we may be to commerce, we should be more so to our naval strength; but this Bill would at mice cut off one of the principal sources of our navy. He die not think it wise, when, at former periods, see sue. fered articles of the first necessity, which we could not otherwise have, to be imported by foreigners in foreign bottoms, bet this Bill Wils unprecedentedly in jurious. The Bill,he said, was most wantonly brought in, without being desired by any man, or ane set of men whatever ; on the contrary, the Merchants and Ship-owners only desire to have an opportunity of going into lac arornittei above staii e, to investigate the points in douht, wfiscis would not atm a delay, he would pleege himself, of more than tour days at the most. They did not wish to take up the time of the House at this late period of the Sessions, and no unnecessary delay would be suffered to take place. There were, he said, a number of Mer chants and Ship-owners, who say, drop your and we will take the matter on ourselves, and en gage to supply the Colonies in British ships. He implored the House to give a reasonable time, end would therefore move as an amendment," that the Bill may be read a second time this day se'snight." Earl TEMPLE said, the complaint was the most extraordinary he ever heard; the Merchants and Ship-owners were allowed to be heard by Counsel, and they had not thought proper to avail teem. selves of the privilege, which shewed they had no thine very material to objet to. The Bel del not go the length of peremptorily opening the ports ; but only says. in case necessity may teqeire it. In shore he had heard no argument yet caged, which could ! iduce him not to press the Hill. Sir C. PRICE said, he had conversed with many merchants and ship-owners of great iisloimation, on the subjelf, and they all concurred in opinion, that if the bill passed into a law, it would be attewded with the most pernicious consequences to commerce and manufeetures. He should, therefore, vote for the Amendment, to have the matter investigated by .1 Committee shove stairs. Sit W. YOUNG thought it right that Honourable Members should he eriaious for the commerce and manitteetures of the crniutry, but they ought also t o s weetie to the neceseities at the West Indies; and ce:tain he was, that the colonies could not de sue• pl.cd from this country ; nor; in tie two gi oat iicles of necessity, provisions, and lumber, by a 4 other than America ; he should therefore support the Bill. Sir W. CURTIS spoke in favour of a Committee above stairs, anJ therefore vr.la friendly to the Amendment. Sir F. BARING said, in all cases the navigation laws gave way to necessity—when we wanted p ro . visions. we gave invitations to all nations to furneh them, and never confined them to do it in letiree ships ; on the contrary, we took them as we Could get them. He insisted onit, the ship-owners of this Couto try could not supply the colonies, and it wenial be dangerous and cruel. es well as impolitic, to host to them, at the risk of starving thousands, in case they should fail in the attempt. He aims therefore a friend to the Bill. Mr. Alderman PRINSEP thought the Bill, with certain Modifications, might be made a very goiel one. If it was positively elated, that the taut shceild net be dispensed will, but is cases of resit etnrgency only ; and if there was a provision in; troduced to interdict ships (ram carrying provisiomi and lumber into any ports of the West Indies, but where there are customhouses, in that case he would support the Bill, otherwise not. Earl TEMPLE said, there would be ro objets• to attend to these suggestions in the Comeli•eee. Mr. PERCIVAL said, he feared there would be no security in trusting to the discretion of the Privy Council, that the suspension of the Navigation AR should only take place in cases of emergency. he he held in his hand an order from the Secretioy of State for the Colonial Department (Mr. Windham), dated before this AR was brought in, auttinii•in; the Governors in the West India Isl suds to :edam American produce, not in cases ut per ticulet elver I gency only, but generally during the war. It, ua the contrary, this trade could be carried oa by itish ships. it would uecelestionahly be better; why then refuse a Committee. in which they might prove this. recd remove doubts teem the eelighomed minds of Musters themselves ? It had been sled, this country could not supply the colonies:the List 11 years bad fully shewn the contrary, and pre verithere was no *Rual necessity ealstiog at the time this order was issued by the Right Honourable Secretary. Be sides, that argument went the length of saying, the Americans may do whit they (sill with os ; ehich he thought grossly impolitic and unwise, at o e very moment they were shewing so eager a d •in , . to quarrel with us. He should, therefore, support the amendment. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL was astnri.hed that this measure was objected to by the Hun. Gen tlemen of the other side of the House, ae, Sr flr 'toe year 1793, a petiod of about thirteen etarS, Governors were in the habit of suspect dog this great Navigation AR, about which s s much bed been said, from six *tenths to six mono.l ; sad these very Gentlemen were in the habit of allosiOng this illegal proceedingithough they were now impedi.eg to trust His Ma sty and the Privy Council, with the exercise of ehe same discretion Tee Right Honourable Gendcman then a ivauced many other arguments, which have been before greed, and 5.11 J, that with respell to the lecture which hi s L earne d Friend (Mr. Percival) had given to His M. j.ety's Ministers, he would leave the benefit of it entirety to them, and he was perstieJed they would ay..il themselves of it, as no doubt they were convinced. that it was given for their advantage, and the public good (a rev of hear! &ar ! from the Oppositiomßerebts.) He could not do lets, he thought, than say the same thing to another Hon. G. ntleman (Mr. Rose) who, or, all occasions, was ready to offer his advice to Hs Majesty's Ministers, certainly for their advantage, as he (Mr. Rose) conceived, that a little of his ex perience would be of service to them ; and it was a lamentable thing. he thought, that that gentleman could not add 13 or 14 years more to the 22 years of service he had already seen, for the purpose of instructing Gentlemen of. the Administration in the duties of their offices. Sir C. PRICE explained. Mr. CANNING was convinced there never was so unwise a measure proposed, both on account of its practical effeet, and its political consequences. He then entered into several arguments with respell to the propriety of allowing the ship-owners an op portunity of proving that they could supply the Welt Indies; and also on the impropriety of giving the Privy Council a power of judging of that of wilech they were by no means capable, with imper tieety, in a situation so remote. The A !TORN EY-GENERAL explained. Dr. LAWRENeIIi thought the arguments of the Hon. Gentlemen, who opposed the Bill, weie founded pn fallacy, as this was not. as th y repre sented it, a new aad innovative system, arising cat of an adverse disposition. on the part of the pirated Adehinistratien, to the Navigation Laws ; but had remarkable precedents in the time of the late Ado ministratima, particularly in the instance of svioh . was called the Dutch Property Act. %Olen ships (. 1 any nation, and any description, wanting a piace deposit, found it in the posts of England *edit , r Colonies, and that for thittecn years together. kig did not think the Bill a violation of the Navigation Laws, and should give it the support of his vote. Sir JOHN NEWPORT caps issed his surprise. that the Ship•owiters should evince hostility to t , .4 Bill. as it was in fad ore which deserve.l awe warmest support. It affected them in the same was that it did the Provision-merchants in Ireland, who, under the assurance of the Privy Council, and the Board of Trade, that in future they should not le disappointed of their market in the West India cotes Meg. by the Governors having power to milt tbelr articles, and deal with other nations tor their sue plies, had embanked in that branch of commeire with alacrity. and to such an extent as would insure sufficient and certain siipply to tho .e islands in fume , He spoke the d. cider! sense of the persons stegaieol in the trade. when lie said. that since the late of the Board of Trade to them on the Wit& ski, tied embarked in the un teetaking with more aro rity than was afforded by any measure of the leie Ad ministration. The House then divided, when there appeeree f r the original question, Ayes 112—Noes 64-3iLejsrs lf 59. The Bill was ordered to be committed on ?this .• the other orders of the day were disposed of i 4 4 at &Atm o'clock the House asijouroed. F