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lalebisersie,'Cheers..:—Would they place the slate and Ilse authority of the Hoeft in great* claspr and jeopardy; If that was the wish of their Lordships, they bad only to proceed. He Wrongly asserted that the affair which had just sprung to their view should be instantly set right. So strong a proof of a conspiracy to defeat the ends of justice, as was manifested by this one fact, compelled him to say that their Lordships would do well to gel rid of the hominess at once, while they could do it with • show of justice, by throwing out the Bill.—(llear, Agar, /sear.) I The Earl of Liverpool conceived that be bail some claim In fleas lordships indulgence. He would ask if the Nobla I or.' had treated him with the ordinary fairsess which he i Lime !nig, d that Noble Lord generally possessed, to as sume as marls as be had dune with respect to the motives and conduct of his Majesty's Government on refereoce to sareunistanees, which very probably might he very satisfac torily explained to their Lordships, but wills respect to which Ministers at least would be able fully to exculpate themselves before their Lordships. As to the allusion which had hero made to his own promise of securing the continu ance of the wit Melees in this country, he could only say that Ise had WWI held out either hope or promise to their Lord steps, except such as he had afterwards fulfilled. He ap pealed to all his past public life, for the refutation of any such charge. He repelkd the imputations on behalf of Isis triends in Administration. He must admit, at the wise time, that it was the duty of those who were engaged in supporting the Bill, to secure the continuance of the wile urines in this country. He was ready to admit, that the wading away of Rastelli was highly blameable iii whatever quart. r it took place. He must entirely acquit himself and the Government of Huy share in the transaction, as be would also the Attorney and Solicitor-General. He was astonished that such an affair should he construed into a conspiracy to -defeat the ends of justice. The face was, that Rastelli had been habitually the courier of the Milan Commission ,• be was employed in brisiging over the first witnesses, a n d on the adjournwient of their Lordship' House fur three weeks, it haul been thought advisable to send him with dispatches to Milan, in preference to a courier who was less acquainted with the business sod the route. He was expected back be fore their Lordships would sit again. II was se erroneous instance ofjodgmeot to send him away, bavlhe had no doubt that the motive was a good one. It was sot for the purpose of withdrawing him from justice, as had been assumed, but be cause he was the fittest persos fur the mission. As soon as it was known that his presence. would be necessary, the At torney-General (as he understood, for he held it to be im proper for Slimmers to interfere) had dispatched another cuseirr to bring him bark. The Marquis of Laskdown admitted the explanation of the Noble East on Isis own behalf; but it was use of the evils id' the present must obnoxious measure, that it put men of the Noble Earl's candour and honourable sincerity in the sereseity of exculpation. He entirely acquitted the Noble Earl amid the Government, of which he was a weather, satiny participation in the fact which had just come out at the bar of the Houk. But if it should be proved that, not withstartiling the ureter of Government, and the expressed undertaking of the Noble Karl before the House, mid of the Howe itself, that no witness should be withdrawn from the consequencis of his perjury—if it should appear shut after all thee,, the infsrior agents of this prosecution, wicked and unprincipled as those agents might be, had contrived so withdraw one of the must suspicious witnewee in a mo ment when his fusilier examination was likely to lead to the most important re-wilts—was il fittiug that the effects sit euch reelect should WI uu the Illustrious Accused, when the party on whose MCCOU.III she was prosecuted could no where he discovered, nor induced by any solicitation so stand up nod own himself as the prosecutor? His /Lordship was not saying now what might or might not be elicited by the further examination of It sitelli ; hut there was evidence before their Lordships which did go to falsifying his lesihnotsy, and their Lordships had already experienced the sashrantage e f having the witnesses ready to he called bark if necessary. Was that an importaut consi derails's, or was it not'—bad it not been fumed important ! was it west important in the case of Majoechi, who had been twiterecalled?—had it nut been of great importance on other swessioes? The Noble Lord at the head of the Admiralty bad f mud it accessary to meal Wm. Carrington, to examine him, not upon points which were in the seat remote degree connect oil widiaiwpwitoserlime before she Hoak, hat with referesee to his wallow sail pm-suits before the time that the wits** had arrived at misolesod. Ile had uotbiug to say against this, which was slosibtlesss dictated by a proper motive. hut what was he to lif e r, when be saw, with this instance before Mai, that mach a *duets us Rastelli hail been sent out of the country? He ridiculs il the account so gravely given by the Atiorney.Gesiesal of the transaction. He felt convinced immediately that uo good reason could be given for it.— Rastelli was In gu to Milan, forsooth, as • living testi mony, its satisfy the friend. of the witnesses that they were all safe and in good health 1 The Noble Earl bad dealt in a touch more handsome way, by admitting at once that blame must attach, and dish attach to some miarter. His Lordship cowhided by declaring it to be his conviction, that the oily prop. r course fur their Lordship to take was, to r ive sip the inquiry at once. The Lord Chancellor said, it appeared that Raskin had horn sent away, but by whom did nut appear. Hail Mr. Voile sent him away 1 ---(Mr. Mauls., who was standing near the Cossissel, 1.. isle a Lion expressive of slissent.l - His Lordship said, that by whomever it had leans dour, it 1 was, be moat say, a most ill-judged . If it had l• been dictated by nay improper motive, it deserved the sever, at reprehension; but if it hail been founded on msg . lake, no oppeobi 'taus terms should be applied to it. What had now hews proposed? Why to call this pi risen, to the bar' That could slot be done, though it Vf.41111111111'11111.114 that he shoold be forthcoming hereafter. He 1111141 say (speaking his watiersests trify,as he had dose throughout be whole proceeding) nest it would be impustible to place her Majesty's case in the same All 11M1101 , 1 as if she witnees was fnellsconsieg to he 111141 r1(411111111111 at their Lordship' bar; and it would he fear their lassalaiiipe at a future day his cull cder that cierosotasice, sad to give the Illustrious l'ersou ' the most enlarged and liberal benefit of it. Were they to close the peuceeiliege in their present state, no pram who obese., well to pinto- justice could say flint the tlouse had given that poseet ism .1. the Illustrious Personage must cow• reined whadrehe ought to have. He thought in the situa tion of difficulty its which :he House were paced, they tea& to proceed open the understesideig that the witness walio be prodectil for examination at a fissure slay, read thee it weals' be for their latolehip to give that fair awl liberal alterrawee to the eircimedauce, that an vein...motels eto delayed amid MO be so advantage...el to her Majesty as if She oast's" were wow ti. Ise examosed, which on the ma i tweet considerate.* they might thine it d J. The Eael of CartkelMia •SF l ' l '. l 41111 the Noble and Learn ed Lord is the difficulties in which they were involved, but he did not coarse !eh him in the upiu 00000 that tie person who wished well to public justice could ',tense th e pr o ceeds sip to slop where they were; for how del the cask NOW 011 . 1141 ! Her Mayessy's delence 11411 titan interrupted by the absence of a moss material 'mitres..., and it WAY euisfeseed shot eishatasatal justice Clll/lel 1101 1115 w he done. He asked, thereftire. if they kid lint long riesneh outraged public feel. sow swatted esessinun *ewe, sisal disgreced the country, by tisleteng to i ibehley elects could not be (Plowed up to may p•articst purpose' It was now high link that they elsoulit du juste , to 111. w-elves. There wag 'newt that a system of s Violater whereat leis 1.111,1r11, Will the wiluef4a who was souse maternity ea. es teeny to rafoie or eetablish the case, coati not ima be poolutesl, without that prepasalites which the Nolde sod Le are ed Lind bud neknoeledgesl would render hie u x millet esitaaiy ougatosy. He eelsosted their Lees.... Allies to 1 . 141.i11ef well before tie y preeetsl on the tnes%ure, .Milo r. Meet that if the Rill could possibly pass that Hillier ' one !Le is Prove as popes before them, that there was not) lb' slicliteal thence .1 its 'Meg through Ilse other House al Pailt.tiaritt. III: cis ne•t ly press..l upon the House the cows ..peteral ttttt . that if they now yeti-aka in the , they "mild ihrerere, meal pesbaps eisdanser the exisieuce of oar moot t ICCellcigt 11.61101111111101. OM these grounds hr was re. -Peed to ;oho We, wisp a it. Ho.ase—(thior, hear)—"P" .1 ; 41111 fur the smockualice of that high (diameter whirls tiny hail hitherto h om e, h e sbould muss that the House do adjemen to also. slay ases snmelbe. The Loses! Cherrellur PRO, the Noble Lord bad mistaken what he haul mold. Ile bad out slated that the House cuiJal nut our do snlidential justice. lord Ellesthurougb said he had understood the Noble twd Learned loud to leave stalesl, sot that substaotial iota-see Could not now be door, but that it was impossible to place her Majesty's case in fhe same situation as if Rimelll went then to be called to the bar. Such being the situation id which they were placed, Asa was the prupuajtion of the Noble Berl ? That in contradiction to every idea orjusticr, injuriously to her Majesty's tioaracier; and contrary to that tisane which it was their ditty to pursue, they should now stop their proceedings. When their Lo►dships should come to the final consideration of the proceedings, there would be two quest' for their consideration. The first would be, Guilty or Not Guilty; the second question, which be con sidered to he totally distinct, would be, whether uu the evi dence before them they would pass the Bill. He had always held the opinion that their Lordrhips would never pass the Hill bat upon evidence so clear, so unsuspicious, so coll 'Weis% That it would be impossible for the House, wills any regard to It■ character, to decline passing it. It might be possible that the evidence given would not be sufficient to indoor their Lordships to pass the Bill, but yet might nut be sufficient to hold her Majesty entirely innocent. What he wished was te hear all the evidence, when her Majesty's Innocence might be made manifest, or if the Bill passed, it stook! Ire upon the moral conviction of her The Earl of Darnley thought there was another question Winch ought to be asked of her Majesty's Counsel, which was, whether is their opinion ■ay injury would arise to her Majesty's case if their Lordships should please to stop the proceedings at that moment. Earl Grey said, that notwithstanding what had fallen from the Noble and Learned Lord, it seemed to him that they *ere really placed in a situation in whir* according to the Noble and Learned Lord's own sbewingOilsbataniial justice could not be dose. He has stated that by the abstraction of the witueas an injury may he done to her Majesty's de truce which it would be impossible altogether to repair. If her Majesty was so deprived of those means at present, oc casioniug an injury to her case which uothing to be here. after duns could repair, how could it he said that rub ■tanfial justice could will be done '—(Hear, hear, hear.)-- He telt fully all the disadvantages of Interrupting the de fence before it was eoucluded, and perhaps he wished his Noble Friend would not persevere io his motion; but if he did, be would be ()Mired, however reluctantly, to assent to that proposition. An the examiustion would go to the con tradiction of testimony, no mace could say, that, if taken here after, it would be the same after every opportunity of learn ing all that had passed in that H.)1111f, which it would have been had the witness been called up without any prepara tion. He would not go the length of raying iliere bad Men a 'vitriol of subornation, but it was in proof that Has. tells Lad been most extensively engaged in proeisring evi dence. He had offered one witness money, who bad in. formed another, nod that one had told a third, describing exactly what had appeared very likely to pioduce such tea lint.my as they had beard about thestatues of Adam and Eve. Glider such suspicious, if the *opens could have been pro duced before lie had beets prepared, the conspiracy, if it existed, might have been discovered ; and if from the cir ciernstauce of delay, that could not be .lone hereafter, then be must say that in leis °pluton they were so placed, that if bia Noble Friend persevered in his motion, it most have his 'support. It was impossible to bear the facilitated with out condemning the measure, and the Noble and Learned Lord haul done himself tin more than justice by censuring it. He could nut join in the mild epithet of " judged," which the Noble and Learned Lord haul bestowed open► it, but be would say it was most mischievous. From the nature of the ease, the person, whoever he was, could not but know the lammingy of keepiuZ the wiluevor lest be should be called for. If st were necessary to keep 'securely one witness more than smother, from the nature of his mean natiou in duet and his cross-examination, any person conver sion with Courts of Justice could out but know that Rests-Ili was that wituess. The Noble Earl opposite bad rested uu his character to shield him from any imputation on account of the abseuce of she witness, and he (Earl Grey) would give bin all that credit which his high character no well de. served. When the Noble Earl had given his pledge ■t the ceimmencemes►t ut the proceedings, that the witnesses should be funk-winner, the House gave credit to that assurance, and rested upon it wish implicit faith. Hut if after having gives that pledge the Noble Earl finds himself in the situation that those pe►sons who were bound to know that pledge, and the will of the House, had, notwithstanding, paid nu regard to either, he wished to kuuw whether the House could de pend upon it in future, when they found the Noble Earl's agents acting in defiance of it by sending out of the country a volisieas so materiality the one its question? Flow we-re the Counsel for the Querii placed by this circumstance' they had doubtless relied upon the Noble Earl's lice, and hail calculated to bring up again any witness they might ask for. On the whole, it did seem to him that the House were placed by the forfeiture of that assurance (lie meant nothing dieters/ace-HSI to the Noble Earl) inn situation in which they could not render complete justice, and if it were asked him whether the proceeding should continue o► not, he must say that it should not continue. A Noble buil (Elleoloorungh) had spokes. o f two question■ for the con. sideration of the House hereafter, but on a proceeding of the present nature-, he thought it impossible to separaie the considerations tinder the two heads he had staled. Il wan upon time aggregate of the evidence that their decision must ultimately be founded. _ _ The F.arl of Liverpool—My Lords, 1 will just say a few words in answer to what has been said on the other side, because, if the quest" was this, that in consequence of a measure to whirls we have just now referred, substantial jus tice mistd not he dune to her Majesty, 1 should agree with tue Noble Earl that the proceedings ought to be suspended alloy the,. My Na.tile and Learned Friend on the Wool sack did nut say that substantial justice mold not be dune to her M ijesty ; what he Paid was, that in consequence of this event, it might, by possibility, prove favourable to her Majesty ; and he exemplified it in this way (and 1 lake the reasoning to be correct), namely—that you will be b.oind to give her Maj •<ty the full benefit, as far as she is comment. ed, of all the evidence that knight hi 11f911,111t to impeach the credit of Rastelli, though by possibility the conduct of Rade'', if here, ought be explained, and in a satisfactory way. I will assume, for argument sake, that there has been au improper proceeding at Milan, hot with regard to the evi dence we have heard to day, though as affecting Rastelli it is of the most serious nature, yet, I say, as to all the others connected with the Commission, so tar from there tieing any thing imprope►, I think it is rather the reverse; hilt certaisily nothing against them. However, I will assume, my Lords, that the proceedings of the Commissioners ism improper —stall, my Lords, the case does not stand on that lestimony--still it is possible, on the other evidence of the ease soreosoected with this—upon evidence which never was at SI thos—mpon evidence which sin being at Milan ever saw— by evidence who have had nu mimic:dim with Rastelli ` or ■ay herb, of lint description ; it is po &ell possible that sucks case might be made out on that evidence, mud that this Manse will be I ttttt sid io duty to pronounce her Majesty guilty of the charges. My Lords, then, I maintain that the argument of the Noble Loral is completely erroneous; for it is nut a question wheilo r anbstartial pieties caunot be dune • —. it may he dune; anal, in fart, this very circumstance may be the 'neatly of turning the case very much to her Majesty's fa. you/. My Lords, 1 ask you. this, and I put this question to you, whither, without going back, without any retrospect of the state in which this case now is—with the evidence Nought forward out the part of the accusation—with evidence brought forward on the part of the defence—liittweat let that evidence Ise •ttended to in all its effectr, would it be possible, consistent with bee Majesty's character and honour, 141 saispenil shear proceedings?—( Hear, hear.)—Wolii.l it be possible, I say, to satisfy tire public mind, or eh) substantial ju•sace, by leaving •stell a case without sonic &emu on it? And I here may say, iii an►wer to the Noble Lord who spoke lasi, amid of those who are acting with hien, and the Baron who spoke before bins, that *ldere, ought to he done tin this measure, your landships can never rightly decide it till you bare heard the vitiator the cane. It is nut the castor' the part of the accusation only, but it is the evidence ist support of the accusatieu, and the evidence on behalf of the laurel, and the whole evidence of Ilse ease, that eau bring you to a' right couclitaims. I have no difficulty in stating, that what ever question arises in soy stage of this business, that you owe it to the Queen—you owe it to the country—you owe it to the Irmo° of the country—Pot to ►brink from the owes- Hon, twbether the preamble of the Bill is proved or wt. I think it right to say now, without anticipating tkut which I admit tolte a separofe qtrentionobst &Amid think it the now/ unfoetitnate, the moat iH.judged , and mom imprudent course that eiteld be adopted, "wady, that Foe avoid cc. deaeour Jp amojbey the qeestlioo of pilly or one guilty, with tboowestion etpedilaey and potiey. 1 have already said, that if I thought this wouhl•riefeat the ends of sub. Manual jostice--end I cannot see how it ran defeat the ends •of Pumice r fur you will Ire without the explanidow of Rats lent, mill therefore it will be more is f of the Chown— yet, if I thought it, would defeat the end s ofi era rj r - e , I w ou ld agree with the Noble' Earl that the proceediogs should be stopped. Only one word more, my Lords and with refer ence to the observation which has been snide by the Nuhle Lord uppeaite, I do admit most completely, that if Reettelli was Pent away fur the purpose of withdrawing a witness, it would be a most iniquitous act ; but I coescientionaly thick that the individual who viii it, hail nu intention of doing it • for that purpose. I belie ire it was not done iss • way to de serve the name of iniquitous. The Earl of Lait.lerdate—l commit but state to the Howse my ferlisigs as to what has passed in the course of the day. A proposition bris been submitted to the Homo% on which its tumour depend' With respect to what has been stated by my Noble Friend (Earl Grey) as to what was stated by the Learned Priam, ein the Woolasek, be email call it no. thing but a complete miarepeesentatiou. I cannot conceive how it is possible that any body roeilil have undershoot the Noble Lord us the Woolsack to have said hist if Itsetelli was not forthcoming, substantial justice could nut he done her Majesty ; on the contrary, he stated, that it was • eir emestance which would, most probably, prove favourable to her. The preparation sow fur your Lnrilships• consideration is this, that after the whole of the evidence in support of the Bill has been brought forwards, and when one batf of her Majesty's defence is gone jute, to stop the Bill, becanwe there is no remedy of • special act, it appeair to me that it would be the greatest art of Homier towards haw Majesty so to do. My Lords, when you hail heard ell the evidence against her Majesty, it was said by my Noble Friends in the House, that it was an mreerions thing to Beak of adjourn ing the House. Now they state it is in her Majesty's favour foe your Lordships to hear one part of her &retire only. I say, Vaud' • propositiou had been made by any person who might be supposed to be farcurable he this Bill, it would have been said to have been a proposition more atrocinor than was ever heard of. 1 do not see hew we ran say, be.. cause Re...hill has been improperly carried away, that her Majesty shall be precluded from bringing before this Worse the other half of her detester. When we are to suppose her Majesty has such a case as will make every one of your Lordships think het innocent, how can we aliendein it, •nd say that she shall Wit he allowed to preeinee the other half of her testimony P You are here, my Lore:s, to consider the interests 4.f the public. N..w I desire to know if you are to 1w called to the tribunal of the politic, what you will do Why, says the country, lIIIW tenure it that when her Majesty only came to half of her defence, you stopped her when she emelt have removed any stigma which might remain on her conduct ? I want to kneew what the conothes of Europe would say—what any inelersenelent. miuded mall would say if you do not hear the either half? Is there any vile believes at ilea moment that Itastelles but. sine's is the effect of a deep-laud conspiracy ? Is it a car. cumstance that can satisfy any man that that is enough why her Majesty should be deprived of our-half of her defence Lord Morley said, that it was important to the feeling. and honour of the country that the truth or fahwhoud of the allegation stated in the preamble of the Bill should be known. He said that he knew of no nu vie tome to nicer. lain the truth than u Irgislat eve inquiry, and hh , ie foe it was for that reason he gave lii• Ville for it. He- ....treated the NotreoLord not tee persist in his mutton till ihr *bole of the proctledinos should by enecludell. It uas potable that the 'blew* of this man might prove very favourable to her Majesty, therefore he thought the best way would be for the Learned Counsel fur the Oilers' to proceed in their - defence. Lord Alvanley—My Lords, after what I have hewed at your Lorilahips' b ir, I should nut thick it proper to proceed any further till we have some explanation. I wish therefore to know, who the person was who se n t th e w i tness away ! The arl of Liverpool—lt was Mr. Powell. Several voices—" Of the Milan Commission."—(Cries of IS Order, order.") The Fart of Liverpael—Yes. . _ Lord Carnarvon--I have been applied to to witheliaw my motion, but I have substituted in the place of it a motion Io which no answer Ina been made, and to which, in point of justice, I suppose no Noble Lord will object, comely, that a question might be put to her Majesty's Counsel, whether the immediate measure of kastelli nut being forthcoming is, in their opinion, hurtful to her Majesty Na Noble Lord has said that it was objectionable, and that we should not hear her Majesty's Counsel with respect to this guest cause at our bar, especially after having heard the Noble Earl opposite, sad the Noble Earl on the croes.bench that it is to the Queen'a interest. That motion I persist in, that Counsel be called iu, and your Lordships will then he better able to judge than I sun ; but even then, though I am ready to state that nothing can alter my opinion, not even the speech of Counsel, that we, for our own sakes, and for the sake of our country, ought not lir proceed in this case further. Yet, my Lords, I shall he guided by what I hear as to the motion I shall make with deference to your Lord ships. One word more let me add. When the Noble Earl on the emu...bench has said, that if we put an end to this we shall not satisfy public feeling, I deny it ; the public and public feeling has given an opinion out this proceeding (near, hear, hear . —The public, I say, gave an opinion, a decided opinion, the first day soil the first hour they knew that it was to be di:cusscol. The motion than is, " That that question should be put to the Counsel, and that we should bear then, as to the importance attic measure." Earl of Blesinton—My Lords, a Noble Friend of mine has, I think, very properly asked who the person was who sent the witness away, and the Noble Furl, with bis usual candour, has stated it to hi Mr. Harrell. I happen to he personally acquainted with that gentleman, and I should be sorry that sum impression was made in the Howie and the country, that it was possible, because he was our of the Aldan COMlliiSriUllerl, that he could possibly be employed to Ise a party iu a conspiracy. I re4ret as much as ray man that perhaps knows him that lie had any thing to say with the Milan Commission. lam sorry for it fur many reasons. I am sure if there is a conspliaryit is one to impose on him, for I am sure that he is not wilfully a party to it. Lord Alvonley explained. . . . _ Lord Holt:suet—. My Lords, I owe it to myself, and I owe it to the Noble Earl opposite, to assure the Noble Earl, that at the time of making the remark, and before he had delivered his Breech to the House on this subject, that I did not believe that he was directly or indirectly • party to it. I founded the opinion, that it could not be fa um that character which he has upheld so lout ; and though I stn placed in political hostility to the Noble Lord on rosily times, yet I am sure that there is, neither on this side of the House ur the other, a man with more himuurable feelins. Hone.) —I acqiiitted the Noble Lord then, and now, after what he has stated, I dist iectly acquit him of any participation in any thing like conspiracy —still, my Lords, my feelisgs on the subject are exactly and distinctly !hesitate, and though I ac quitted the Noble Lord of any thing like conspiracy, I confess after hearing his speech, and after giving • few minutes calm reflection on the subject, I do think that the Noble Lord has been oecasiunally during the whale of this inquiry making undertakings, and promising more to this House than he has been able to perform. I say this, because the Noble Earl has stated distinctly !bat this proceeding has been culpable. My Lords, if the Noble Earl, when he was asked it lie thought he could prevent the witnesses from being sent out of the country, hail said, I have not the power by the Constitution' of the country to keep them within the realm, and if he had further said, there are subordinate agents over whom I have no control, or wkom I believe will nut attenJ to that control; my Lords, iu that ease, I do con. tend your Lordships would have come to • resolution very different front that which you did. Your Lordships dial nut take into your own bands the extrentiou of that design, but you left it upon the assurance that the Noble Earl would do as much as possibly could be done to prevent any such event. My Lords, I believe that the Noble Earl has dome all that he ibuught it necessary to do. He ma y h ave d one all that it was possible fur him in his situation to do ; hut the thing that time House required to be dour has nut been duae, therefore we arc placed row in that sitaislioa, op Mitch I would not cavil us words, as to whether sob. Hantial justice can be done or not, or whether ber Majesty's defence will be isjured, but the Court cannot perform that which my Noble Friend states we are called oar and ex horted to do by the Secret Cousrnittee—we cannot proceed to inquire late the psoceedlopt with a satisfactory Mel*. Outk•—•Cß'ear, keter.).4fy Noble. Friend on the cross beach, , irllll Ciotti, as I iftiotehtlfeicellent qutlities, I au eat I t say I differ with hies on alI orenailias with Move NM than any other Noble Lord, fry.. his ristreine good humour and km& any interested manlier in which fi▪ t miry expeenif : lll6 VOW*, it makes it no fur th er pain than the didereace one b as Cor ill. judgnout. Sly ' Noble Priem,' says, tint it wield Ire the gr.terse joins ties tri her Majesty now slop. I confess, my lairds. that I am made of e• sterner muff" Ilinti my Learned Friend soi these occasions, fur I have beret ready from the err) rion-• meneernent to sash the Bill, at any periml end at any time, away.--.(Near, 'freer )—Su, sty Lords, if the motion bad been persiated in , I certainly should love given a rote for plotting an toil to the proceeding at once. li is said le ill he a great injoodiese I. bee Nlkieety to slop the premed. begs. The person. now say, who air so incjadichirialp asizioas for the honour of the Queen, and that justice wad 'stereo MIN be deem her, that to slop thew proceedings would be isjustiee to her. Now I conceive our duty Oslo eloatijoative 10 NO one, !nil look to tiothiu; noire than our own cha racter. My Noble Friend (Lord Lauderdale; say% that be never heard of such a thing as stopping prertiredines—he never heard of a person (wing mounded, I date say, fur want of sufficient evidence; hot does my Friend WM. 111/ say, that he know. of tin Matinee of the breakiwg.np of a proceeding, in eonseq of some irregular proceeding on the part of the sopporters of il , without hearing the whole, and without roisiug to an opia 00000 of Guilty or Not Guilty? The Noble tart over the way (Liverpool) says. that no ease can be decided on without the formal 11111111111111 C-U au.: saying., Duihy or Not Guilty. If a man is arena ii of murder, I' may in the course of the proceedings Caine out that be is guilty of a crime of a different complexion. Ile has 'lie ad vantage of the declaration Guilty or Not Guilty, and if there NI one single item, ore single proem/lotion wrong, he has a direct mid complete acquittal. We were told that this was the advantage on this °cession ; thought it was en advantage, I agreed that le want but I thought it was eso fouodali 0000 , or coherent of the measured I thought it an advantage on the per. somptioa of guilty, but I doomed it Done on the ore.altlPltoll of innocence. Now, my Lords, site word un another subj. ct, and I trust that I am as little disposed to deal in aspersions as any man in this House. Bret, my Lord., I recollect an expression of a Learned Lord, whom the Noble and Learn., ed Lord on the Woolsack has succeeded, Namely, my Lord Thierlow, which was this:—" I will not take Ray notice of any persons, my Lords, on this occasian, because I know if any one makes any ob inns ma Ito continct of any ;Im am is any office, however seiborilinate, nue lays ones self open to hear a panegyric on all the perms. of that office, and to all the peramis conueetral teeth the persons of that office." My Noble and la:wiled Frond (the Earl of Blesinion) says, he knows the character of the person was so excellent, that it must have been an error of judgment. The Noble Lord opposite was called apnea to name the person, and it turned out that he was a per. ion employed under Governmene it. the Commis. sion, and all men who serve cooler Goveriernrist are 'Wilsons, kind, and tvirey thing that is excellent, atiii theoefore of course ibi s persist. was so.—(Lord larghiags` , —Now Ibis Rastelli was tomtit the pertains employed by the Milan Goo mission, and I wish your Lordships to recollect that the Noble Lord says the Queen has advantages—that she has advantages, gild allowances shall be made. Allowances of what ? Does the Noble and Learned Loll mean to say, that whets Rastelli is brought bark that we are to hear his evidence le that the allowance ? For what be was wanted was not merely a contratlicei 0000 s.f !Oa testimony—(Hear, hear:—it wits to a conspiracy and a connexion with the Milan Commission, as connected with that conspiracy, whether true or not I will not sty. I ran not say that Rastelli not bring forthcoming would incline the Noble Lord to make such an allowance as to come to the cattichesion that there was proof of a general conspiracy proved. He conld not have meant to say that, and if be did not be says nothing; because it is possi ble, by briugiug Rastelli now imineili•tely and colonial ing him to the wiliness at your landships' bar, that a conspiracy might be proved, though I ant not say ing it would. If it were proved ehat there has horn bribery, and that perjuries have beets impoited in whole cargoes, does any man say that your Lordships erneilet nut immediately get rid of the Bill ?—(Load crier of " Mar, hear.'?—Dues the Noble and Learned Lord mean thalehe Queen should have all the advantages of one immediate exeunt nation at the bar ? if not he means nothing. In what anus. lion are we now placed' We are placed in a situation in which we cannot go un withont the possibility at least of substantial justice being denied. To the accused it may, I admit, operate advantageously; it may induce men to give a latitude to their vote, which they otherwise would not give. That is always true, but that is always upon the supposition of guilty. If her Majesty had been guilty, she might have gained some advantage from it. I put a case, that she has it its her power to lay open the whole of this conspiracy, and of bringing it home to the ronviciion of every emu in the House that it is so. I then seared up, not even in merry to the Qinum, not in conse quence of any wish of the Queea's Counsel, but l staled op and say, that if we go on, we cannot lay our hands upon our hearts and say, that we are quite sure we hare dune jos tler. Vie are uot following the dictation of the Cum. mittee, because we are now placed by our ladies in • very awkward situalion. My Lords, your Lordships might have placed the witnesses in the custody, and under the protec tion of the House. It might have been a harsh and tucon. venient measure, but it would have Dien a reasonable Übe, front the circumstances of the ease. &lore we did so, we asked the Noble laird on ate other side, whether be had any thing to suggest on that subject, and he said he would do all in his power; now it appears that one of the witnesses is not forthcoming, and if this is justice, justice is very crook ed and narrow. IJo think, if any allowance is given, it must be to that which is the marrow and soul of the whole proceeding." Lord Erskine—Although I have been at all limes ready to vote since the commencement of ibis proceeding to pet an end to this Bill, I have now an additional reason after what has happened to-day. However, if my Noble Friend withdraws his motion, I move your Lot tiniiips that that question which hat been suggested be put to the Counsel at the bar now, that they nosy have an opportunity of consi dering of it by to•morrow. Earl Grey--1 should wish Mr. Powell lo be called to ac. count for this proceeding. The Lord Chancellor—lt is now half-past four, and I should think your Lordships would think it better to adjuuru tilt to-morrow. East Grey said, he thought it was very material that be should be examined sow. John Allau Newell was then sworn. Lxamined by Earl Grey—l would first of all ask Mr. Powell, if be was employed in the Milan Comniissum ' I was. Are you at primal an neat in support of the Bill? lam assisting the agents in support of the Bill. Were you present in this Court at the examination of &went? I was. Have you sent Rastelli out of the country? It was I who recommended Hastelb should be sent. To whom did you snake the reconinie mended it to the Foreign Office. Was it at the Foreign Office you reco be sent ? Yes, as courier._ . rum I recover. ended be should Did you get a passport for that purpose ? 1 did not. Who did du nut know. Bet you applied to the Foreigu Office, and recommended that he should be sent ? If you will allow me I will give an explanation. Rsatelli had been the courier who had con ducted a great number of winsome* to Dover; them wit nesses had been maltreated by the populace at Dover, and they were afterwards scut back. Were pita them? I understood it was so from Rastelli. I learut that various reports were propagated m Italy, on the darer, which the witnesses for lb. Bill received by com ing over to this toiletry ; 1 had heard that report■ were pro. pagated to Italy that they had received great personal jury; l bad beard that the families of thong. perm's,' alio were Isere were exceedingly emulous on the snhjrct of 'heir relitioes vibe Were is this country; I had understood lumen' was acqu•intediwith the greater part of the fami. lies of these perilous; and I thought it would be an art of humanity to those Matinee soil frimsds, that some permit, who had sees. the whole of those witnesses in this country, and who was acquainted with those families, should go 0... r there with letters from ,h' wiln e ; 410 he h.,. lug h , mrell been ao eye-ostasss ut slur sr satiny heir, tips he should report to thous familloa what slu I. situations really esere—pby that no•atis to pat ass rod to she great Anxiety which I thought those families muwt useeesparily feel for their (muds Goring tint to be your upiniou, ifi.l you Hot Imo. titigakv Minding Kaaselli out of the tours. v otos orating it impoosihtp to estimsue him here un the solsecs Linde, pt the time Ita•ls 14 was .rat away, ..loch I thersle slap on she Tioutoslay or Friday •forr the adjoureitn. us of Ifs. Howe, I Contrived slim there was ample little Cu his sr taro before anis atsels us CAel.enet►al d jost.oclisios to Itartella, as far Ir. I nrcull.Tr, were, this' he was I.• retnfn hereon or before the 3d of Z)etulter, pod at the lelli tt•itt, I b.rd a fifth CUIIIiCiIUIS ON nil mind that tic would lksniti tel IThout did you re at the Fareige-Ofire t T. .l.rr Mr. P3oola or lAMr I Mil tN•I Crash" .141ebsi t+ wl..:m 1 sigard that Ra.telli was to be arm' a. even l r. Dia yoo. state to the penologist tbe Foreigo.filiice. who ever they might tw, 111.1 t Kertelli last beets f zoom.• tl a* witness on this 11:11' Idu awl metalled to bare 'limit 'we 1.1101 Otitelllrtlt. Did elate who he was! I behest it wis rifilt's known who Iv. was. thee you Iw4 soy eommer•katio• front .Bich ynee thtao it lendable be will be sorra in England! lam nut aware of on ) reasons; positive directions have hero sent, and ad Means shall he used to make hint etc, hi re. %Theo were those directives *rut They hate been Iwo) or three limes; the last aro sru t ou SAlurJoy or Suaitt”; the mast positive slireetiont. HA any answer keen received from the bre ) I 1:s.1 Iwo ut that Itastelli had for some do yr barn vloStmt It ill o I confined to bed, hating been bltia.lril by some meslieal man fur a fever. Exam:Ned Ly Lord Alvavki. Did you ever receive tiny &retinae fr•tn b;s ilfsieoty't Government not tit ■flow soy wines. tore tint of this emelt try Idu not 'vendee t any otterihe one to that effect !:ut at the lime I Kul %we'll 1 hod not the kw , . Mrs h•! wtsul.l be called as it wittiest, Enke* it the $lll pout", this Mate that it would go to the Commons. Then, Mr. Powell, am I to understand from on that int *orb inairuttions were given To use personally Ido not recollect ally sperille instructions ;0 eiria:uty an; pr,sei. , at the &hate iii slits Heine in *loch the Noble Earl at Ili, head of the Go , rrllolllll had mated it to he She intention :sf Government to take 'Very rare they cuulthin prevent wit me,se• going out of the reentry. listunin.• lh.it. slid 51111 nut cctioidrr it a piece of d:11. 0 IWllll . llre I.t rrcuosmrud Ilstl lo• Wolf nisi of then country ' f did not think it nso art of dirtier ; 1 liort a full expectation he would have rein, gird ; I never soisl.l have consented to his goring, if I hwi nut *apposed he would have linen hire Was he to bring bark any frrthe► ari'nesses whatever. Could not the etbelisse of those whop. also wire 'op posed to have bees maltreated could they not hat ✓ apphcd 111 Colonel Neoan at Nlllall to have got iatellsrestre • They certainly could, sod many of du us dot, and i.e rive them the heat assurance h✓ could, hot they ',wild ssol.t.e d a ith that. From some linlf trig I have tees 1...1 depositions, in which ths y depose to have lours) of se. u...,,. injuries received by their latiusse; iso.l nolaistt.tandrut all the assoranea they rev-lire-4 to the roof rary froin Cahouet Hruau, they •ere null satisfied *llls these. I wish to know whether Ton base soy m••ans of enmml ling him to appesr Imilisadually I can have untie ; but et risibly conc. eve, that femme the direct. .... • which have ties,' sent out, means will be takes by the Citivernineut in s kit It he is, so compel him to appear al he should refuse. Has any of the other Wllliebilre been setts out of the coun try Nett to my own koweleJse. Earl Grey—l move shit the question be now put to the Lessor,' Cousin'. The Lnhl Chancellor said, he wag not doing to nehe objection to the 'pavilion, but wienlii only submit orwitire they hail bellee not gieter it till tu. 1111 l rrow, so it wa• so !Me. The Hoist then adjourned at a Tram r to flue, u. h'11,2 oltderstarmloog that tier Omani caused be asked 410 e to-naortote. ADDRESSES TO THE QUEEN. The following is her Majesty's Answer to the fient.inktonl Aittdret. I return my elsonai arkuowirdzments to Ilse fuleabitauts of the Parish ut Kensiugion, fur th..•loyal and affectionate Ad dress. I have nut forgotten, and shall not readily forget, that period of nay life, which I passed in the Palace of Kensing ton. The Inhabitants of Oda Parish were then more closely united with use by the chart las of neighbourhood; and those charities I ue ver sailer soy change of place, or any laps► of time, In efface from ray reeollectiou. Every locality to which oar residence is transferred, it associated oath ',animist cir cumstances by which it is wore or Inn fasteweil on the me: usury, ur made issierestiug to the mind. tut every change that we mall„ every locality to which we remove, seems to remind us of ermine portions of life that have :tided awn". Tu look back me the scene where we have aptlit any port of our former years, is to tie reminded that tour, though invisible in his motion, is repel in his flight. The interval winch I passed in the Palace of •Ke..mgtum, was nut one entirely composed of calm and .unsy at which DO part is rolled by inquietude., or ob.:cored by "oda. Nu poi Lion of my married life leas tree of this kind, and this formed no exception to the rest; bat in t!;e prriutl to which I mu alluiling,desth had nut made that ravage in my demrse ic scene that he has since ()crossroad. 1 could them, though teals often than I could wish, yet 1 could, at time., enjoy the sigh of one who has since been for ever turn from my embrace. The brightest prospects is the abort space of beams exist_ ence are intro abort as a dream, or momentary as a soiintl. If my pro.pecis have ever been bright, the illuminated speck, to which hope. is pointed, has hero speedily evanescent. My enemies have been incessantly plotting how to darken mill days. But perhaps, if the noun of my life has been troves. 'sous, the evening may be clear. • The Winning is her Majesty's gracious Armlet to the Address from the lithabittuis Croydrisi, Stiehl : • I have bred much grotille I by thisloyal and /Sectioned! Address front the Inhabitants of lb, Parish of Croydon, iis the County of Surrey. It is not possible for the dim tight of man to penetraie far into the dark immensity of the moral world; lilt atoll there is light enuagh upon tbecniefiurs of that awful riaci, to teach us a few simple but salutary truths. Our hnited perieuee and confined observation are ouracteut to prey that evil is often one of the means of good, and that the. seeds of misfortune often throw tip a harvest of h.lr;il . : areas. My life will furnish numerous instances of a mural retribution; and will, at the same time, prove that thee. mute native strength he unprotected innocence, 'Mod most systematic falsehood or the best fabricated In the conspiracy against me in 1806, thi re war no iv. ..1 ( will. contrived circumstantial particular., which ..are f • - ed into a very plausible story ; nor did the tale want :hi support of witweasts who bud oar scrupulosity shoat a., oath ; bet the whole fabric was ou yowler touched by the wand of truth than it dissolved into empty air. The par. sent conspiracy, in like manner, is di-mintier/1M to Jots bees the deliberate cuuti trance of falsehood and inalevie.. II bore a country has been long zurcincil fur the bairn( of a kw, it as ous for such an extension of political rizbts, as may eriatil them to check that corrupt influence which, 'shill it %Ms, will more ur less paralyze the worst sue ties of thou wittlits t►e sphere of its ageney, rid filially sap the VI I y sitsls of the Constitution. ♦ll political institution, like the mate - rial taboo of man, are composed of perishable elements. they contaiu in do motives the principle of decay, of which thu agency, melees scropelnusly watched and carefully retrrikii, is never still. But ►ue few Govsrummits ever see the titers. sily of early reformation! Hence they delay reform alt .t is too late—or too lute to be beibelicial. They eit►er utvir I wins it news 11, .+r .ow, ...NM l i1.1. , C11PM.11.K to.. ...sew eanieuee win oe 'vireo, out me "M cannot perform that lies of these persons; and 1 tboosbt it would be an act 6..."' Y i 7 1 7'"'P .Inu. 'Y wsirn ` g ' Hsu "mull r *hot he but mid. lie bad miLatated that lOC !Sows CIMAIII. , 1 114 mi st o be a separate vocation, dist Inlsould think it rtes goblets my Noble Friend stales we are coiled on and' ex- of humanity to those minium. awl friends, tint some as atilt. B ut h ow few Go/refugees.. ever ate 16 out sow do stall'ilitillial iwtiet• city of early reformation ! Hence they delay rehire lord Ellealourough &sof he lad understood Ake Nol?k attd i s i pa t ary c gaggage, the most iH-jaidued, and moat iiisymodimei kiirSod to do by the Secret Cenwalitteeere cannot proceed pence who bad seem Ike whole of those witnesses in skis Learned (A il nto have violet', wt 'hot elsk4slllol joptess . .sorer ghat maid be adopted, namely, th at pun ' h um id cr . so le gg i n Ist, th e piveee di n . with a satisfactory egouglig• country, and who was acquainted with those fagaiUeo t should is t " lats—or too his to be'belisfiril• They ern" . . # • • • . . -, . . . . ~.. •. _ . ..4 . .. . ... ~ 11, . ..... I .. .._ 4 -• .- . . . . ,