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. 6 h ie o u t l a s t ,. so slgrAitga t yeti' ratrat stage of 1 14011111rty oat et the,' been sreferl d,r bp Shot Wommt.ble Nrwiliec.e• the eate do• - ; Mond of a uoitq . or be had w .the gligehni.javy sibiryairirk tisf that' dbe tem- llmpreos. stetted ef to beep star eolywoe ' h ic k a decided usisiterrial msjorily. Whit 1 1 4 J iabe JPlllfe °a iiltPee the illeteetled alit. at kemeledge among She pearls .tell width "iftwa prineipla of MI. 11101. That, lublt pea, the ateelaese of that iltyl...(tacittster.)-41e s hield not p ee . 't add - die cape of the 'MS* PM% sad my iltalMesaaseirta- • net' lees thaw 'SS officor. whieb hid beet field with swam haps be j a mis e d in allwaing to the raimisom that hod 1 twee df thoCcete• ape are ilewerry.geriltoooltervd rimes( i• farlistreviet althea Hie hat *Me years. Se much ft.r the prevailed upon that subjecti issit the eeftit primal, lithe Stabile rated is all llama rcywelllkaraneapshinet moodesion l!aswortio• of the growing irearwee of the Crown from Ilse in. that soesetbiog entroordiaary dust have occorred.-- , the same effect iu aiTcrliqt, the eosin" of public aftrirt air I .lCreese of placemee in Parliament. He had stated be he Wheeler the leformathee which had cricked rim cam trite. I; an at the' imalre Krim' Wonoureble sod Learned •'early pert of the Session, redactions she several depart., that they were loW ‘• owe wore each majority and The Gruslema bad pet the raat of the absolute power dm 4 lemma of Getternwoota, jaw whith his R ig ht H onoura bl e s i s ters will go out," he cook! not ; but be did know that C, *Ott taedace" of the he'll mad military aereit i v, 'Friend (the Ch ance ll or of the Exchequer) would tabs en that nerves he sea be *mold opt, Mlle Mr. Duo. and asked whet nhoot not thee/tient of telluence bedlam'. the , weisoilit ha the pccuitat 'ear of 140, 4 100 t. sawed. Ho Imdeew e p i ng , say that he could name illy, bat be certainly did see ereeek e e of web AI power *mold gfve over ??,Olga permute in his band a otatriewiteof .the regatta .4 die redocitaas eaf may whenh r k iwi L Mthe owye *pope, dant we %WU. H. (bird •LeedoWderry)ald teat bite* where the Honourable i ogres elide since ehtipbsaie 44 she war, showing a redeation tri er eight had Toted against ate. Noble Loud, follow him out Grellemaa et that eoriaker, twit it wee south bricionderry eat. lof 11,119 idlers, wish *alaries yamnsating t 340,0001 eerie.. and rote with brat,—(lesalthelia)+4l 4 • slaw agriklar Mt- I eullatiaal at 104,4 " ( 4 . 10,4 Lomkltiaref)lm 4 bee^ able "Ale- sine at the three bemired reduced, by tbe armore mola r: occurred a few Bird*. bosh, when a clause wee pan- rive. Rut it saeature llerreeteed of die bisdroebieet to the ie. minded by the Be r enetoble Member for ( wk Castle, Pend by the Right H•re•ritol• Member fur Lieerehistl e I assareete, bait tha await is whisk she India e• woo verreised, with t zo,onot. a year of salaries, sod ilium which be had. isladon Bill. thee deo • Alm Ilarogorond of soy ageoeseut tie skaldic/It W or e s o w e d opporol is( to 150,000 f. a year. S u hat sinte Csoniog) to be added to the Cora K e g The Noble Lord agreed to the YruPu'utiva. "led fur tie aselltermwsldbormial w - the Hoewaelretbee the power of the the clown of she war 'here bad twee a redeetion is sh e sow . clause, and it was carried. Rat io the soecoodiel heal. of Cwowanawar the • misty end ran was eel esimintidarod•wida her of alarm of 3,011, and in the annual amotnit of **la the mil, on wool brr night, it hawing been tea" mleiliehla ablillast . bletrolity to pertleanowa tire otherei4e Ham Yeenwp- ries of 730,0011/. a year. giseeptiurr the Cowan*, which Inas to throw t h e we ight of Goresesseet ruts the male in kraal I BMW se 6.,•.„...1 He weselsl appeal , lie liessalione us aleosrly •odocgarie die tomes' reduction welch the atom el. of the agrieuhviral Mitres*, the Noble Lied opposed it, tidal Illbooppeyello lisoelses,wiselary "Mir eallitool Bina hoosies and laborious impair, bad bearable to effect, •by die sr -'otitis against the !apse losemblibtii!eire thettaills,•shlteir alma friebilbeiltreModsl tams wet. 1101 atwitter department of the unease 'bat vas supported , major* is cisme. These test/Ames abielt be Irsd quoted. peult Usat whatever Illisuster OW affairs of Ceoveraanami. 'oald have. and <quid stwityscomassod • Nokias ill , is that House; a ossj •ray tot ',Minty composed of omm:um, but of perisoas who for iheasselvos, *it (anal's, coitus:was. or &madams, bad hopes awl espeetsittrus obich it ass iu the power of Govermoast to gratify, sod the necessity of pro ellflog the firlditse*t of tibial placed them so moil) vowilee this hAbseoce of au sdesisistratios, as to remise themetioells ' end sacootrolted cuttecise 1 their et the Ailmieetty, were set everisol with is Imob etteeellem bed lebeeelley, however fictive is political eppeeitiee t Ile if they weer in the vesicant habit of whim( with Miele hue. The Hueerenble Gentleman had west referred 1 the eelesiel reibeieheretien. is skew the witeet if the hiatuses 40 the Cratere is that directions. Taw moms of iefresellepe withie 'twee , Lesidendenl'e) vas* bed eel erlehted hiss ewe Maio Is met it store !bee •IteM lbw !Weber elated by the Nee end ("reed Geetirwiee. N. sweat '7 have feeknied all the tweeiel oaten ie.*, Idled fur an indepeadeet . . . of 'filiarretieis its the discharge of their ditties its unit Hesse, with the abanlists holder of aay ethos at the pleasure e( the Crows , . Thew were the causes why the conduct of Parliament was Away. the same, unifutmly sispportiug the Misiatry of the day, and only respite with the changes at Court; cud upon these groouds it wits that be called mine the House to adopt the Resulation be was about* to propose, sad which, if adopted, be intruded to follow up with ;tome specific unasute. But be should perhaps be told, the po pular opiaiou was a suffirieut check upon ibis influegce of the Crows.. ti'loo dewed that in time the voice of the people mast he heard, arid must base some influence eveu la that House? While there was a free press—chile the Bench remained uncoerupt, and the Bar independent while that House ietsioed the right of diacossiou—while debate went on, sod the doors of the House were throve opus, so that the public could know what was goiqg es there, there was • limit to arb 'racy power. It wev is min to deity that the publicatiusi of toe procerdiess sal tbe diecomi iiii s in that Hosea gave as much of sects. ity tm Oka liberties of she euoutry as Plaid perhaps be had with • eon rapt Pailiameot, and that the voice of the public would as te•gth God its way thither, and not without ultimately effect. snit its rill. But the evil was, that it was not anti' after ateluge of misery and mischief bad beets prineril on the coos. try,by yaws of resistance to its wishes, end disregard of its complaints, that the woke of the people tardily prevailed ; mid it Win against he delay that be raised his complaint. They walled until the !pool was raffled and the waters disturbed ; titey wailed owl! the ear popaii all 4444 the stagnant pool of serreption,aud then, the grooms and prayers of the people is the mess time baring horn seat up is vain, they were so looser able to reskt, sod they did at le .gib what so Jade. pendent or a reformed Parliarseist would have dose at tit, yielded to the overwhelming foree of the public will. The question of the slave Wide proved his wbele cai.e. All that was wanted at soy period of the protracted, latiorioos, sad painful struggle, to carry that greet qaeatioo, was the weight of the influroce of Goverument. OS the last division na that question, that Kok place in 1805, it wet rejected by as actual majoiiiy. The ties! year Mr. Fox came iglu slice, and in the year following it Nang made a Government Iteration, sorb was ILO change so its favour, that It ca. ese• turd by 286 ou 16, 'bough it bad been rrjecird but Iwo years Wore by a decided majority. What did it et prove but sisal it was only the differesire of • man !setae a Minister or out ' the piecoios the ~..‘a rostaioly ham so._ Colonies. at least saves-eMhilie of wheels were filled by as titres appointed by am Governors. He bad dwelt epos the seeuiototant to °Gros le the Colonies of aromas who PIN wised in thmeouotry; bat he bad overlooked a 'egotistic@ that hid been adopted of rowspellioathe holders of patent learn to reside in the Colonies, • teltaillirt by which ant 1... than 29 offices 10.5sre compatible with Parliament had been exeloded. %VIM resent t i the morning, of the Crown is the List Iss.•. dieshe,soold sestovetu assure the Home that if see stream mosso than that estate I fora lbefoiss of Parliament, or the adoptioa of she resolution of the Hos. sad Learned Gentle.. Imes, it inieltS quiet its •larios. This neat branch of the in n of she Crown which had been much dwelt es .was that 'wising oat of she increased revenue, sod she too e illCfeSaffl expertise of collection. The Bosse. wool sri he surprised that the collection of s revenue of 50,00 0 _ independent of the isiereasse is the **Weirs of the oliams, sheath' be ',tended wish a much greater expense than when it was only a clown' of that enatiowL Bolin should be glad to know whereas shat forsoilied a Awe of extended iiitlitsnee or patrooatre of lbe Crown. By a comparative acewont of the collection of the Cier toms in the year 1797 (she hooks of the pear 1791 were consumed in the fire as the Costoss-house), with that of 1811, it appperwl that the ironsh-e of officers is 1797 was 5,728, and in 1521 it was 6,664 ; so that a revenue .ell double the sinotiat was collected by a number of roam. less than imathird growler. But be ought to Mass. that • There were smelly 440 persons lees employed us collects tug the etthe ditties that wore cadirosed in 1797, The amount of the salaries is 1797 was 418,0004 and is len it ens 8311,0001. i bet the (totter part of the I was owing is the abolition of fees. Is she &trim the member of olicers employed in 1792 was 4,500, and In 1912 it was 5,881, sal the salaries were, at the former period l 3lll,oool. ' sad at the latter 08,0001, which here a very trifling pro ports*s to the i in the amount of revenue col lected. Bet she whole of the regulations that bad beets adopted Is Arse department', as far from tending to In crease she inflooscs of the Crown, down to the present day they had Ipso expressly calculsted to restssis it, by the setwailecilow sof a morons of promotion by sent. *wily and merit, issieed of filling up the higher offices wish fresh appoistaseets. ill applymg his segunseal of the lucre**. of Palrlesette sad Masseur. accruing so the Crown fresh the kens,' in the moo •it of the taxes, to the lacrosse of the rabbit debt, the Hoo. and ' Gentle. retro which caused support or 6 _ House of • whatever he proposed. Consideriog that it was the dolly of the House to look stoma upon the changes that bad token place, to salary thief of the dift rent ermine. shiners in which it was now placed, from those which existed at any former period of our history—the d.ffe. fence to the information of the people—the difference in the meanies ilromailed by the inteiest and welfare of the the eouotry—the necessity of enforcing the moat rm.:Seco. corny m the public expenditure, of paring slows the over. grown estatilishoui nta iu every dem, 'ascot of Government, of toweereg the eerie of ■llswances to the servants of the Crowe as twitch as possible, and redocing the member of diem W as as we. eimpat We with the carrying on of the affairs of the country; but ktiowine how vain it was to ►ope for the accomplishment of these important ohj•cla, while the Housesuffered itmll to be swayed by the impulses which • my @nodally had she power to pot in he fell it hi e ditty to call upon the House to declare its determination to abridge that power, by adoptiog the foilowing gmedisiimi : ° That the iiifluence now possessed by the Crown is wine cereary fur maintaining its room Holton., dignity, destructive of ibe indeproilenee of Parliament, and tnewmisisteut with the welfare and well-govermeirot of the State." The Marquis of LONDONDERRY, in rising to answer the speech of the Hoe. and Learned Gentleman', maid, he Must throw Maisel( nu the iodulgence of the House, while he attempted so briefly en she nature of the andertakiug would permit, to address himself to the leading points of • the Hon. and Lesrord Gentleman's argument. Tile Hall. and • Learaed Geoil man had called on the Hence to folne to the Couelusion will, biro" that the infioenee of lhe Crown is at Ibis moment destructive of the independence of the Parlia ment, and locution's's,t with the doe administration of the go vernment of the State ;"•iiti be had endeavoured to make mist that proposition by an exanituatioa of the increased interne and expsoidonte of the Government, and the state of its tsieiel etitablisharirots, end by examining MOP the ',induct of Parltainnit daring the last twenty years. The Hem. a n d Learned Geodes's. had mated to the Home►, that in ease it should adopt the Resolu ion which he had mused, it was his inteiiime to follow it sip by some etesaiire, the nature of which he did not ' , sprawly mention, but which lee (the Maiqua of Londonderry) thought he had more thins once caught a glimpse of during the speech of the Hu• Insurable sail Learned Gentleness, thanes he had t.krn no incousiderable degree of pains In veil it from &wrest ton, aad it plainly appeored to be Reform of Psrlismeitt— iCheers.)-1( that were the object of the Honourable end Learned Gentleman, ohy did he not bring it forward at once, end place it on the rp.cille groood of the mgiiment .III( he had taken. instead of sheltering it ender an argument 'pieta the toll of the Ceo•n? He (Lord Londonderry) himself was quite ready to go along with the Hon. and Leotard Gentlemsts is admitting that the iufla•nce of die Croon was spiel and proper object's( Parliamentary j•.Juus); and if he could make omit a caeca excessive inflococe ferule wr II the conwitotiooal privilegrs of Partistneti I, iheu there would be a ardosfactory ground for his bringing furwad such a propmitioa as that which Mr. Dutioutig hail made to teatime it within its proper but e•risi then lie would lot ►ate the field to taro mood sod say that wall a "woo, w►y there should be a Reform of Parliameol.—( Hear, hear ) The Hououralie and Learned Gentleman bad referred to the year 1780, and compared t►e extent of the revenue sad expeurlduie of that day with the present But that was not coming to close quarters with ilia leafiest. He must come to a mooch more narrow view of t►e questilio, io order to show bow the MINI see of the Crows upeueled upon the P.•rliament. lie did out mean M Impute to the Hon. and Lra,aen Gentleman any wilful ollitalement, but he did Sod, that iu the zr id and warmth of the advocate, he had berm hurried 1011 great VISE& r, SOS in mane of ►a statements, arid had unduly inflamed his argument by the inferences which lie hail drawn from those statements. The Hun. anti Learned Gentleman hail stated the expenditure of the present year at 28,000,0 6 3 L, bet his Right Honourab'e Friend (the Chancellor of tire &chequer) did not mesa to take a vole fur mere 111. n 11 1 0 00,000/.; and the sonnet of expenditure to 1781) •mild be friend to have been 15,000,0001. But would lire Honourable sad L d Geutlemao compare the rireselebnas of OA two periods?—would lee hake tato 'he account the increased population and augmented 'width and resonrcesef the cavalry?—would he look at the KIM Mind, acted upon as it bad bete by the crews o: the vas ma at present uortergoi lig • mid seentiu, b y C os . •isaionera appointed by Parliament. If, therefore, he *Mid she. that fur the last forty years the shot. gems of the Parliame•taty a►pheatioa to the subject St the inflamer@ of the Gunn, had bee• to repress that influence, to economise the public expenditure, sad to re. duce the number of offices as much as possible, he treated be •hnnld have •indicated out outy the Government but raeiiament front the aspersions of the Hoes. Sod Learned Grotlensau. The Hon. slid Learned Gebtleman seemed to hove been more rinaious to wound Parlemma sham so censure I Gowen:mem; fur he had arraigned the votes it had given at different times, as tribe, Mod proceeded on any other ground inn preference to sjust regard for its duty in the discharge of its important Into. If the Hon. and Learned Gentlemop was as liberty to contrast the votes which Perliemeett might hove given at dittereut periods of the same question; if he ~was at liberty to refer to the vote for the repeal of the malt taw, agreed to in a thin House, sod contrasting it With a subsequent vote against the repeal, mem Is a full Meier. , and after a thorough consideratima of the bearioga of .the ~ m envois the public reedit mid resources of the country, and upon the come:met of votes given under each a differroce of circumstances, to fouled an argument of inconaisteory, or excessive influence of the Crosse ; if the Hine. sod Learned Gentleman meant to segue that the vole which a thin Howe had one night adopted, a fuller house on a sub sequent night was humid, render o risk of bring charged with yielding to as undue iolluence, to sopport, *mild the Hon and Learard Geodesists undertake to *et upon that reasoning himself, and whenever he (Lord I.) should ham Hie good fortune to persuade the Noose to rule with him, epos soy question, wooed the Hoirourable sod Learned Gestleman promise out to roil to persuade them to alter their vute?—(Fle ir, and laughter.)—There must he •• end to all reconsiderstioa of any qwesatem if a change of opinion in the House was to be liken as proof of corruption, and to be made the ground of Parlianien. tery Reform. He could not give into the ureteral of the Honourable and Learned Gentleman, that having snpported one set of Missistere, it was ioconaisteint in the House to soppoo I their successors. He was yet to learn that it was say part of the Mutat-ma ibis House to nominate abs Ministers to the Crown. He •pprebevided that it was the practice for die Cross to appoint its own Ministers, sad that it was the duty of that House to support the Ali. Meters whom the Cities should appoint—(Hear, hear,) — an its Mini for the time being—(Hear, her, bear.) — The Parlowneet, 'bids had been so much reviled, had fah. filled its duties is the most ememplary manner. It had de. fended the country agonst her foreign enemies; it hod pro. weed her against an iietstuated portion of her owe sub jects ; it had protected her from the machinations of a mischievous party within it ; it bad gone along with our Isle glorious and venerable Sovrreige through the period of a long and mistral reign • it bad pewee:Neal in Om - --- - ' ~mime fur the freedom of Why hail ~, Leonard mat Lod referred so the Exchequer processes, end bed ins.. deem. • level *regiment whieh he (t►e M•rgwhs of Loa doederry) was at s Ines to rioderstand. He, however, mean. e 4 to ire* supposed that the Merrier of the rewriter must have Mil to au farrea•r is the number of Earkeiprer pro mise, anal had stetted se to the issereasell iefl of the Crown from that circumstance, from the power irest.d in the Cha•cillor of the Easehequer to decide in what cases it 'night be proper to enforce the laws, and where it might be ad visible to extend a liberal relaxation of the operation of those laws; bat so fur from processes ►aving inersased as be supposed, they bad actually decreased in the period which the Hon. Gentleas• had selected for comparison. He had asked for • return of the Exchequer protegees its Scot land during she last ten years, a. COlannted wills the preceding ten years, and lie would and that from 18110 to 1110 the member was 3,000, and in the tee rare ending in 1810, they were boil leas; he would thert fore meet a different result from that which be hail captor& Bit' eves ranting the ■r laws to have Increased the influence of lb* Crowe, that would sifted an arallinellt either for an alteration of threw lase, than for • refit. in of p or l(a os eot,— (Meer, bear.)—The Hoe. and Learned Genderless *test re rev►ed to the number of plat.• men fo Nehmen?, but it would be found, that at no period had the smother of per. Mae holding other ruder the Crown, sitting its that House, been au small es at present. The Hon. and Leaned Ges• siestas had said that there were SO 'Ascertain silting is the H..a.e, bet he (Livid L) auto, not and more thaw 47 hold. Inc placer w►ich could be said to connect Sherri es all wills the influences, the Crown. He could out account for the num. bee a e , e.l by the Hon. *ad Learned Gentleman, even by supposing hum to loser drawls noon the stores of the Beeches hew hint —(Lenehier.)—He 'webt have included, perhaps, the Honourable Menders for Caine (Mr. Abercromby, a Gesimi.iloser of Bankrupts, and Mr. J. Macdonald, one of the Clerks of she Pricy Beal), one of whoa (the latter) held a patent sire fur life. He might also bate sates Into Abe arrive* the Gallant (Ifficer, the Member for Bob (Colo. wet Palter, Aide-de-Coop to the Kies), and the Hun and teamed Member fur Pet. rburouels (Mr. Scarlett, a King. Counsel)—(l.seghter.)—lii refer. ore to the condom of the reviled Parliament, lie hoped the Mo. au.l Learned Mem. ter would tint crustier his view its support of his argument to the parliament which mope. ted Lu,sl Sidnioutb Is sac. esssio• to Mr. Poi, nor to this which suppo. led Lord Gen ital., but would emend it to the Parliament of liso, sad say that it was so constituted as to stand in need of reform.— Aail there were tin irna than three distinct eras at curtail. anent of the patronage of the Clown since the Resolutions of that period. .4 large •sad signal alteration was effected by Mr. Burke's Bill. Aod would the Honourable sad Learnt d Genii. man say that • afaierial change had nut been effected in the influence of the Crowe by M.. Pitt, in throwing open the coutracts for loans, end Ilse army sod navy contracts, to public coinpetitiosi, united of committee the former prac tice of goring them as • matter of favour to the supporters of Govelnment ? Or by She placing of the revenues of the Crown and Crow• lends w r ote their present (outing' '1 lie Hun. and Learited Gentlensau said that Mr. Rose stated Stel places or have been reduced, sod 1,500 to have beets created l but it was no such 'biog. What be stated was that elan had been reduced, and 11N1 had been created. But those alio were offices uf manual labour in the collection of iLe reveaue; and the others which were reduced were of a different mature, sod precisely that ghee. iption of offices which • Mower. %inshore to keep up the itilliseuce of the Crowe over Parliament, ...sold have beet' desirous of keep ing, for they included upwards of three hundred sinecures...- 1u 11104, Mr. Pitt abolished 108 office, with salaries emuuist fog to 42,0001. a year, in sinecures of three, four, and Ave hundred a year each,- in the immediate gift of the Tremotry, •sad most desirable us objects of patronage. The Huis Mem ber, If he had bete disposed 11.1 enansise featly the conduct of Governante! se rrajteci of its influence upon PillitaMeni, would have isiqui , ed what had hero ill conduct •tune the return of peace is respect of the reduction of wake* and places of profit and patronage that had grows up its the I deportment* of the public service during tie war. Many of the ulece• which had beets left untouch ed by Mr. Burke, for the 'taunts stated in his celebrated. speech, such had been the growing spirit of eerier* in that HOUK, had since been reduced by the me which the Honourable Measlier for Cul& Castle (Mr. Baulsee) had wilt. !nutty° ; sod the abobliou of the second Pastelists:table, _.....MIM•ia era._ must spirited ers its steadiness awl perseverance, this reviled Par limiest hah conducive thoweevests to • glorious lerameatiooviehielk o wl ail the gloomy fueebodtogo, diesemeniessii predieteonisassiblisoosed prophecies of the Hutt. and Leeriest Gent. lied been able to avert. Notwilhatauding all the charges which the Hon. and Learned Gentleman lead brought Kimmel against the Par liament, is stating that they did nut deserve the confidence of the country, or were not qualAid to midget its affairs, yet that very Parliament had saved the country sad with it saved Europe—(Hear, hear.)—He thought it necessary to say this much, fur he never could sit quietly and bear lb... Parliament calumniated. He, therefore, called upsets the House to reject the proposition, fur he warned them that that Huanorable and Leerued Gentleman would not step there. He would come at • future lime mud say, " It as impossible the tiitioiry can ever Hiurhh whilst you have that nuisance of an unreformed Pailiantent. You must loomed now, for you laud the basis of it when you sup ported my motion." But that Honourable and Learued Gen. Ileman meant one thing while be professed another. And if the Parlianieset were base enough to toga their own dishonour, he should not lung beailce to demand • Bo form of Parliament. lie, therefore, called on the House to proceed to the orders of the day. He thought he had sbeeu them sofficieut grommets fur forming that determina tion. He should, therefore, muse that the other orders of the day be now read —(Hear, hear.) The Hon. H. G BENNETT said, he was very unwilling to rise after the able and argumentative speech of the Noble Lord That Noble Lord had conaluded so the same high tune as his predecessors had dune, but be feared the preseut Hone of Commons would co n e to a different conclusion from that to which former Parliaments had Jose; wheu • similar proposition had been submitted to them Ministers were left iu • minority, fur the Parliament then feit as the country now feels, that the iidluence of the Cullen was ton strong far the interests of the people --(Hear, hear.) —The Noble Lord had cantered tutu a variety of details. He should feel it necessary IC (I.IIIIIW, is some degree, his example. And Bret with regard to the revenue. Bet the question as, not the amount the revenue, hut the ex. pelage of its collection. And when they foiled that is 1792 the &mono of collection was one m•Ilion, and that in 1021 It amounted to hetweesi 4 and 5 million% they must sce that the indurate of the Croon had increased in il.g same propor tion ; and when the Nubile Lord bad said that all these ogres were reward fur the public 1).11.61, he must say It w ee all • joke, and he was amazed that the Noble Lord could have the face to make such a statement, in the pry pence of many whose esperieuce and daily application at the T y would enable thins to contrsdict hear!)—He would take the instaiice of the Pust-uffice. Formerly all the appointments in that establishment were is the girt of the Postmaster Graeral. It was true, that the Minister might ask • favour of him ; but at present all these offices were in the heads of this Treasury. It was precisely the same with the Stamp office. in this Cession's and Euchre there was a large array of officers, amouuting nearly to the number which in the good old times of the country consti tuted the mantling army.—{Hear, hear.)—Woh respect Its the power of the Crown in dismissing officers from the army, the Noble Lord had asked, Would you infer from one in. stance that there existed a dispoiestion to stretch the preroga tive?" He siothered. " No. be that case ever so bad." But when he (Mr. Bennett) slated that, since 1793, 969 officers bad her,. dimmed from site army without • trial, the Haute would be enabled to estimate the value of the Noble Lord's argument. He seat came to the number of place_ men in Parliament, and including perilous who held offices which seemed only uominal, but some in reality valuable, each as King's Serpents and King's Connect, ih erw were gy persons iu Parliament who received 110,0ont. • year.; be. sides which, there were 73 pemons holding military an d esval euntenleairios. The House wear swore of the great of the Crown io the disposal of church patronage, mad they elan knew that that vegetable body were not le markable fur wiehleoldine their support. Without meaning to touch noon Ireland, which wait the most rirbly endowed church in Europe, where there were mil, 500,000 Protest nob, there were in England two Archbishops, 24 Bishops, 33 Deans, std Prebendaries, and 1,020 livings. So the; f um that the House coald form some idea of the proem of pa. Wattage in that branch enjoyed by the Crown. lis 1700 it would be found there were 22. S Peers, and it was stated upon a particular occasion by the late lard uwerisroi. teat the member teas kneelers in IVO; It Merin there won 375. it7ll there was one Marquis; at present there ors 18. In there were 78 Earls; at present there are 189. le Mere were 86 ,Berom, and at person there me 141-- it r or.)-olt wild ea that manner, terming a commoner 11110 $ : ..that iongeoce w a s e x erc i se d ; and if any man would go 11Orancti all this. beaches of Petra, he world bed that ninny ref them hotwers had been conferred for supporting the last :tear. The Noble Lem, had concluded his speech with a tygoegyrie on the iete•Parliameot, but the remote, was 41bi beet judge of nat.. By shrivelling they must be knows. .11011 what was the resat ? They foaled the country a 7:; they mide it isilderness. Tory found it is • stale I:ity at • time, when plenty was considered as indica- Mon of plenty and prosperity, and they left it in a state of omoterty aid ruts.. The agricultural interest* were over whelmed with dieters.: the commercial part of the comnin sky did nut seem Mach better. The colonial interests were iii dilate of seketivirledired bankruptcy ; and by that test he was ready to try the question. He was of opinion that it Would be • good way to reform Parliament by tarring out patieenten and peusinners who wore the livery of the Crown, aid night alter night swelled the majorities. He feared it 'wad of little use fur his Honourable sod Lammed Friend to oddress • House so ronatitote.l. HoweVer, he would es lighten the country, and he still had borr one day to see the country enjoying • reformed Parliament, and a cheap aid efficieest Goverument.—(Cheers) afr.fITIJART WORTLKY said, if the statement. or the Honourable and Learned Gentleman, and the Hoesourable Gentleman who jest sat down, were correct, he slieuld an donloedly say that a reform in Parliament were neeewary, and the sooner we bogie the teener. But he thought the Hoe. and Learneel Gentleman had arraigned the House of Commons most falsely. He, and the Hoe. Gentleman who followed him, bad placed the ques lan on the &Mimi ground neat nothing but • reform in l'arliamest mold save the col:wiry. Tina he would meet thens on their owe ground, and say that a referee was ant necessary—(Cheers has the Oppositine)—.and that a reform could not be ef fected, unless they dot away the Monareby—(More cheering). Iflot was there no inllnesece except in the House of Cow. moss? Was it ant Items that the Crown had more loam. once in the other House, and yet that Home always decided with the Commons except i• one case, where tie House of Gemstone undertook to dictate to the whole station. But be sow came to closer 'quarters •ille the Wu. end Learned Gentleman. He (Mr. %V.) and those with whom he boil beets in the habit of acting, had been accused anew. porting Mr. Addington in opposition to Mr. Pitt; but be Mined that they supported him in opposition to Mr. Pin. It was sound cuusiitutional doctrine to t that the House of Commons should listen patiently to the proposition of measures by s Miuister, and Shen Nippon i them if he felt that he should .lo so; sod be and his ftProts could nut be ac cused of massisisteury in having supported Mr. Addington, when Gentlemen opposite, who were perpetually taunting him for his realm's, also gave him their support. It o ft true that at the death of Mr. Pitt it did •ppear to him that the Government almost naturally frlt into the Mods of Mr. Fez, and bethought that ibe House of Commons would not have acted fairly if they did wit give him • teir chalice. He did not beau to defend all the subaeqwent meaner... For iesiatece,- he thoaght that taking Ole CbiefJessiice of the King's Bench into the Cabinet was a ye., 'lmproper Art. He remembered Mr. Fox laughed, and said, if be wanted t o try lie opposition hoshould just select such • question as that. but the queasiest wu, after baying supported Mr. Foe, would it be tight to tell the Yee% that he leas wrong in seleelisg him! He could not approve of resortine to the " No Popery" cry, but the result proved that the King and the people wereisoreed. He now came to the Welchem. ea. *edition, the vote of all others which be tonal it moo dif. dealt to reconcile. We were et that lime regard in a war with France ; ,we had an army in the Peohiging. A grvat doubt existed. at 10 the diaporti too of Gentlemen opposite to emery the war to a eineetusion. They hailed it. from with cheers sa a steam of obtainiso power. Thee- two, alibough he could not defend the expedition, yet, as he thought, it mould not be right to 4 siat,lniviog once Mega.. flo much for Walcheema—(Mach eiteeriag and laughter from the Ow posilime.)—oWith respect to the malt imr he thought it was • mere sitaiier of surprise, and ibe subsequent vote declared the cottoned of the House. Uproot the death of Mr. Peremal he thought a chase. of Admiastratims should lake place, and accordingly. he moved a resolution to that efert. Nego tiations aceureltitgly mot on. They ell rrmembei eil the ten. reasonable propenitions of Gentlemen opposite, esti' et length the motley grew tired. and elerlered that any Gomm metet was better than nose at all ; and shey well knew it was tbeir own fault not to have come in then. If they en joyed the con' dance of the country they mast come in. But some how mother it always happened that they sew oppowil by one parebl the country awl outbid by other,—(Cheers) — and he couleLtell them that as long as they (littered mono fotjuthres they never would obtain the rue.fidence of the aresehle part of the eouotry.—(Cheers.)-0. the imbjegi o f reform here had haw of tote crew attermions in opinions, as. the store frequently it was discussed the mere erroneous would ii appear.—(Chtees.) Mr. PRELsaid he should ant have risen bat for as ob. senate .... which he understood had Motu made by the Hun. and Learned !Rover of the Resolution we that distitigu.shed body whom lir had the honour to represent, mid to represeut whum he considered Isis highest honour. He Await have thowtht if there %ore any bed, thst was mitre likely theta another to escape censure it was the Vole any of thaend.-- ( II rsr, hi ar )—With ri street to the specific erminn of the Hon. and Learned Geolleman, he nui. l e .stood that he lest eomplaiserl of their having selected Lord Grenville as Chau rellur of the University et a particular petted, sod the n. tit fur an inconsistency in their enudoet us i pat.icular goes lieu. With respect to the first, he would &A what man possemed bigher claims to the appointamot than Lord Grenville? Tbey rertainly differed from hie on one par ticular subject. But when they considers.' his ioviulatele at. tachmeist to the ecclesiastical institutions of the country, if. distinguished and eonstani oppwiliute to those priociples which brake out at the commeneenmot of the Fetich Reim tinier, the distingenthed bosoms he elitanted wi ti e at Os. ford—constituent all these eircusest,oree, he 111,111i1 ask, lila. there any thing improper in the appoolign.ot, wed ohms they considered that hr wig opposed by Lord Eldon, the Mire!. Idly of Oxford war exempt Iron my imputation. Now fur the measure of 1817. It was erre Ilia. in 184 many per. mew were coemironotiely crowned to elm meaner' *hie% was broogbi forward for relieving the Rom in Catfishes, bat there as a material difference ohms it was brought (unified in 1917, when tliry had Dot the d• glared opinion o f the Kthe against it. Thee, were very essetitist dtWerenees in tho question at that period to justify the University of (Orford in the coarse they lead taken. It would be pre.umption m him to occupy more of their time. He hoped he might •p. peal to those feeliugs of regard which every Representative fell for hie constituents as his apology fur having some fur. ward.—.( Hear.) Mr. BROUGHAM rose to reply. He wished irs this DAR Melton to say one word on .hat had Allies from the Right Hun. GeetUrman who had, wills seek • natimal swesety, dto fended his ennstiesents. In one point he seemed to be Milo informed, fur he (Mr. Brougham) did not blame the trolver any fur haciog chosen Lord Grenville. He considered it a mint et sod proper Orrice. Lord Grenville entice ally rea sensed all the accomplishments tibiae could qualify him for the disineelion. But he slid elate, that had it sot horn fur his near approach to power, it was his opinion that all these qualihrstions which he' perselised, would out base obtained for lons the bosomy. He was much fees disposed to reprobate 'hum who felt a non retentions deference to the *twenties of the King than them who raised a " No Popery" cry against one Adeniuistratiou, for the purpose of pulling souther, to wit, themselves, to its stead—Ml of whom, with oue exceptios (Mr. Perron!), he believed were nut much troubled with reliMous mouples, aid be believed that their agents out of doers had sa little regard for the opinions of the late Monarch or the present Kisses for the opieiimia of William the Conqueror.—(Hoer, hpor.)— He thought the doctrine laid down by the Hon. Metatberfor Yorkshire (Mr. %Verney) must unconstitutional, namely, that we mum not express our disapprobation of 0116solres selected by the Crown own gone liteal.e• wee brooobt forward which might perhaps plunge the reuutry its ruin. To keep in • Government at the most critical period of our (ate, whet, we were swimming, as it were, for one lives la • oedema, when France was kotteking al our port; that We should thee wait meal the Ilissisters hat destroyed thittgasil-• try, anJ thee tun Hamm that has of coadttet fit/ hot appear to him coestitotiutell. He sever read the elinetche- Item au; and if it were thecae*, it was • prsetiteulrichlolif bees often deputed Iran, sod 'sever more frequently this •t the terminate*, of the Amweican war. Oa the Recast caution while* ha . had beutight forward, end the es. stems which had bees given, bie would leske the Houle to decide. He had Arm admired the skill of •tbe Noble Lord in leaving untouched all the *ere parts of as at gamest. sad with • due regard Out only to the feelings of the present Pailieneest, and the character of the past, tb• staining hintutf fmm enteriag into the subject. and leer ing it to the Honourable Member for Yorkshire, who had, in his opinion (with all due respect), made • most lame sod inspoteot defence ' particularly reopettiog Walche r ea. The argument which he (Mr. B.) had advanced wet this—ln order to preserve the busses of the Constitution, you meet ascertain acts, which irfmtiefoefe appear to be changes, but which, in point of fact, were nu more alterations than wheat you have removed • weight from one scale to another, yon. moat replace in It a weight of !he same 'magnitude, in order to restore the cunnterposse.—(Hear, hear, hear)... and the cousiterpoile which lie recommended was such an alteration as would iscresee the intercourse between the re. presentative and the coutituent. Upon these wounds he called spew the Horse t• adopt the Resolution, if they ra ined the good will and confidence of the country. He mot use that its a ; but if oilier Pailismessts had cw limped obdurate until it was too late, it was surely griatiollk is them to look • little before them, and rescue the man try from impending rein. The Minim thou divided, when there appeared— For the Fur the Amemdmeat • • 210 LaNimmiii.... ". Majority against the motion ." ~-- - r ~• ~` _.~. The other Oakes of the Day were flirt) diopoteel of; DOE the Holm adjourned at HA LF.PAAT TWELVE o'CLUCI. TO THE EDITOR OP THE BRITISH PARS& fit—The Pahlie are already apprised, that the Mot;os et itor John Newport to pledge the *louse of Commons at the essaanseeeerrient of the neat StillOd to iiivire tutu dm Tubs System to Ireland, with a v.esd to commutation thereof, was net *aide, nut by a arg•tive, hut by reading the übhit Order, of the Div ; sod that the Minnoers, &retell Out Irish, had but ereen MI lora ty in it House of oue hisailted sot f.rty.ftte Slenshers—hJt it id aims tit they should into* the maroponetst part, IA that majority.—Thiriy-dve sere /dew wee, ea will appear by the smelted Arbuthnot, R , ;:ht Pon. C.—Serretar y to the Treasury. 'Neigh, Sir 11.1yesed—iiittrrepur G.ur.al of ilte U.dnancn. Broglie., Jantes—Ch u of t Committee of Supply. beresfoid, Lorit l ettr i g4—Compir. 1 , ..r of the IlernsedtedeL Corkint , u, Sir George—Lottl or thr A.!iui ally C..pley, Sir J. S --Selititand.peliel al. Calvert, John —SeerEair • to 111, Lord Chamberlain. Deems, George— UOddrtketel•• y Slate. klOll. Henry —Cummisssun• r i f ‘Vau.fe and Forests. Gosittarn,• Right fien..Nevtil— trial Serietary. Gifford, Air Belo Hoshissoo, Right Maw. W.—First Cuminiesiotter of Wogd• arid Forests. Hill, Sir Geuree—Vice-Treesurre of Ireland. Holmes, William—Q. What his place may hi walled ! Liam,. H.rn. H.—MsrMal to the Atliwirtlity. Leos, Risht Hou. Sir C.—Payuvibtee, Loesiori, Vtieu•tit—Lord of thr Re.:enambei. Warms, Sir B)ant—Coniptroller of the Navy. iltiewogiimei, E. A.—Lo.d of she Tremor,. O•burise, S!, J.-1.0.41 of the Plunkett —Right Hon. if. C.—lllab Aitortary-lihitgrie, • Itaght How IL—Seeiretory of Stmt. Ph . pp,„ H o y. E-r-Clttlk of Ordnance Dellygrittla P.lmeroon, V I it'll i —Set friary at *ar. Rohlown, Hum F.weTviaosairer of the Wimp, AL Sotarritet, Laid G.—Lord of the TrosSimll• - Vaesitilari, Right Hun. tal —Chaneylloi. of !be Ermlargidrr. Silber., Right Hun. 1. C.—Ch. l'Jostiee is Ey* eesilive, Right Thomas... Mic- Prelident Met eseed. of Trade. Wyatt, Rt. Hun. C. M? yo.Prvaiderat of Au Rotted of tali ns. Wm render, Right Moor Sir G —Lord of the Adillnelder. Ward, Robert—Clerk °trite Ord Robert—Under Sreeriary of Slate. Clerk, Sir George—Lord of the Admiralty. Loshingion, S.—Secretary of the Treaterprvni In oddities, we have the ft flowing sons or brothers Ptseravon or Cabinet Ministers : Apeiel. Yiaaue.l, 9" Ms Earl Bsrh rst—Sterol stem. Lowther. Hu.. H. C.—Bruthrr to Viscatiet kintslidts Lund of the Treasury. Sandon, I/Drowns—Sou to the Earl of RerrowSly.reali. M. Snarl, Nathaniel—Hie wif, on Irish Pension List, Let any moo now review she hat, and my, whether the Rowse of Commus. have or have not declared for risottos- Oyu tit the Tithe System of l,elaad, with • Mew to come isiitstiuts. H I B ERN ICES. Of the rentsuing lust twee are Corey Members; two, grieve to say ii, Gets ',timid: 710 THE EDITOR OP THE BRITISH mini. ~ Ato-11 is with regret I observe that al attelei4 (abaft. Mimed last Seysiam, but egoist bromtht forward is the Mir 'rut) is milling in Radiomen., limier sapettein et • 841. initialed the w Spooled StAmp Amendment Bill," tio sew tam spots the poor ratan—a tax of all others Of eltleti ohjetniumsble, as it is promised to he levied epee eves At staallett sums his frugality may enable hill to lore, to serer, is Iva U 8,4 the meld of *toque hie raemia• odorant iota,. m , , t, or Su keep a helplest widow and destitute fondly from the parish Poi khouse. Yoe arm, dombilem, aware, the, under the Amos? Perlis. meat fur lie protection of Friendly, or, es they are terser•, " Benefit Societies," such societies sororities, Sic. are es emnied fry. the stump ditties; by which exemption, the rarrnbere thereof are mashie.' to secure to thesspelvem a MIA of money (minerally Rum 101. to 301.), payable at the deiths of thentseires sod their wives, iswn„t those .latent hilef *PM to themselves. and a residuary trifle for the tomediate teller of their families. Rut by the new w Spoiled Stamp k e emlevens Rflrulalion lilt" - they tire to be no longer ex empt. a stumped warily beteg proposed thereby to bs iudis pensably Necessary.. A measure wit injurious, se impolitic me this. which will templet u peer mom to pay a Salt whorls eano e t be reee t e m till after his desth...ihus lazing hint even beyond lb. most inevitably tend to intimate posterns's., as sisoustiode of poor man, who now .apply their bard-earned savings to the praiseivot thy purpose of secorilig a di emit fiestral, or fur a means of relief, by means of their benefit societies, will, by the mmetition of the meditated Art, he prevented from sa dolga ; mod then, when wore out by old age, or 'hatched by sadden mussily, they leave this world, their rimming' must Re at the mercy of the parish for immanent, and their &sa lute family become the Manistee of the parish workbag's,. loch 'smug the inevitable tendeiacy of thin meditated-. tilt injurious tam upon the poor man, I ■m inducid to is. Itirmt that yogi will put yore reader, on their mimed, Sul emotion them against its ilmtroctive, ion moue to themembors of the numerous benefit sucii lies of 1 the ateteopolia leap be aware of their danger—that they any immediately (or they mill be too late) asamoble, sod petite 's* Rarliiyaseat to be still wield from the Stamp Aet■—;fist t►ey May yet be enabled to provide agaiust the boor of death, sad lb* tempts of a fnpity when drprirrd pt it s chic( ',app. ' s. A AIf:AREA OF A BEN eFIT soccETY. Jnne 30, 19311 TO rffs.--spiToß OF THR BRITSINI P East Fwd,. Findsley. gm —Persil me, through the mrdi•m of your Paine, t. oi l er a few übserv.ainns relating to some malicious suit •• dalSentretistemiza maii, open we on trawoutroccatione in the J . Mai N (wooers. Mesa 11 •, t vemagi• .bas cop 'loosed cure the Helton of that Paper Cllculaed and pat. hotted a eport, that II In.. of the illsine or Haywood was gs nay huu•e an Tavistnek.sysito, whim his Hoye' Highness ihe PstifteASSlVlt htl‘osireti me with bas preseuret rsolrannly declare that 1 onse t limey of the 1111914 , 0“ of that urfurti, lief dart; bat through She ntrd;unt of the tidtUe press; yet the &au.. bad ate trolly tip call hie my ~petal /rum,. 4 u ff Vitall*. 40 rreoenositt - s, aut• •,••••• wevoug•. no SIM 1.061 I rurwaw WOMB =iglu revamp. Figure toe cillialf7 iv ruin. my uy.rc S•Ti..orm.gimm, wean mr ii t oyag nigpairs, tee n that the House cold form some idea of the extent of pa- ITo keep in • Governmeot at the most critical period of our Vreltivrl.feeeefivi beswored tae with his pastor.. I'wltysnlp %; to trousge io that branch enjoyed by the Crown. In 1760 it fete, erbeii we were swimming, es it were, fur oar lives ri a dectiirt that I never hero of the existence of that unfelt', , 11 would he funnel three were 225 Peens, cod it was staled wollow, wise° Feast, was hunching. as tier rot% that We nine Wed, bet through Ilse mediums of the ptttlle press', yist ( 1 4: Lord Liverpool, that &Would llacu wait email dielliwesters bet ilaeltroyedllweitill-* &aloe Mad &hearses*, tie cell Igo my itspcoal'frwhic ist upon a particular occasion by the late 4 1 1 ft •