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I r truntly, that it was their Lordships' duty to do they were now, celled upon to hear Counsel mareiott equal and impartial justice to the Isighest as well as a ineueore which o y exist only eiitrd in tlicentice gi t :se lowest, and to give nu advan ta g e to the oar mo re respecting it by a Noble Lord to lets Awe P ven ar. than they could concede to the other, to have no lament.: Such • step directly militated spinet course for the. one inconsistent with that whieh the the rights an d pitvilegrs of their Lordships. This hearf-traf re,:•"tlis; Utiier . ."-tie -- WertrTa4 atitit”dirkiniiff Stinitirditfeeed hems the Lower I louse . in this re. Rithemibe.•• tia -f innet still, however, be prelim. sowct, that their Lordships were wider no titres. aced too toote r that ..tlieputelsout _the proceedings lily to move for leave to bring in a ;it was hitherto iDstiinted tlie g4est ertittpetetit for ifq Peer Orbnee to bring in Bill. Pectibarify prevailed.' She by their How hethear n • coulwd ! Oaga i w) , in any C nst the eaeroecis of ouhigtithe.h air Lne g iships' Rine, ' anti by 'the !R e nege 'from low, Cho e the •Cro wu, wheidy -arraigned at the -bar of I rent right in it Peer ?—(t/awn.) the *piddle. Wird there not, he asked,' pecoliar i [Lord DOCIIC--*. That is not the object of the ciethressitinees in tree iitdetion, highly 'dfteiving hf Pettiton."] -theft •Ttieir lardsHipa taught •He contended that ill effect it was. In giving melees tto tiike'eare difheolt r a er,•thativilN • this 'opinion he spoke in behaff of their Lord 'af the'same tinier they were unwrlfilig to allow het privileges. and without reference in this per- Itiojeity any advantage inconsistent with the prifw tieular case. He should indeed. 'he ashamed of ciptie of even-handed justice, they should not ex. himself if he could not dismiss from - his mind every parer'her to an undue portion of prejudice, arisorg thing which he Wel beard previonity reipecting this our of the course they adopted in this unhappy ease when he came to consider it judiciously. Ile ' transaction.--(fiefre, hear.) —Let their Lordships would put a case against what had been said on the see'how her Majeity stood . its this case, re cont. subject of influence. Suppose a man stands before pared with any other individual pot upon trial iii a Jury confessing his guilt, and is afterwards the etvilized word .—( Near, hear, hear.J—ln the red a witness fur the Crown , and that he then does first place, neither their Lordships nor her Majesty sot give the full and frank account he before gave, were as yet acquainted; except in vague and ge. Con that then cot be put upon his trial notvrithstanst mirel • term., of the scope of the intended Bill, log what previously passed? lie certainly cannot to lie : would fur orpiment sake suppose that it was in. b ut ed i without the proof required by the law; tend e d to be a Bill to dissolve the subsisting m ar. but still the Jury are called upon to reject from thigi between the King 'and Queen. This step their minds what they had previously heard of the thetthas to be taken without. in the first instalice, man ' . ConoiCtion. 11 Juries con do this, which was hetring airy person on the Qtren's behalf in de. so often seen, why may not he as a Peer in Pattie. feriae of her character and rights. Though this was melt do it ? shnitld take care, on this occasion, perhaps to 'be done in her Majesty's case, it could to preserve, so far as he was concerned, tlie functions noir, their Lordships knew, be done its the case of anal privileges of Parliament. The moment the Bill the m e anest su bject of the land, unl e ss w ith a pre „ came before them, Biro, but not till then, could the V•ints peoceeding in the Ecclesiastical or Common I question of hearing Counsel haw. As the case now Lew Court* bethw. The consequence - of this pre. stood, the proposition made in the Petition was the Sams course wis, that the stewed party knew all I . most extravagant one ever made to Parliament. — the charges 'Adored in support of the pending rues. (Hear, hear.) nire, as well as the details of evidence urged in its The Marquis of I'AMIDOWN said, that almost d in- the whole of the emba Me m no* felt arose from support. Of all that •prev inus knowled g e an quail her Majesty was deprived by the course put. the mode of proceeding' which haul been adopted. sued in her case. She halt also the disadvantage of AP the application to hear Counsel the other day, appearing after • Committee of their Lordships had was oilmitted, he could not see how in the present reported that there were documents. supported by instance it could be refused. It was t he that it a variety of etidence, which cliaTed her with ass would have the effect of arrestiog the progress of a adulterous ititercourse, with being guilty of a measure as yet not regularly developed. if that it-go lfing coarse dr licentious conduct, which called for mint had any weight, it must have been on a for the most solemn infinity. Was it not natural that m ew oecassion. whets it was not acted upon ;fur the Queen, Iltitlihg . herself so placed, should then the. Secret Committee had - been appoint. he anxious to counteract the prejudtce thus raised ed, but had not sat. It was said that the Queen against her ? But the Noble Earl opposite had had t.o niessis of • being informed of the pro suited, " How could the Queen have any know. ceilings pending they admitted she Us that House ; was in how f t orm h en ledge of' this prdceeding'?" To that interrogatory did it happen that his Noble Friend near him (Lord Dacia) had given i i i the former instance For this admission raced in th her ey most satisfactory answer ; addition to that, he clearly made when they then acqui woold beg lease to remind their Lordships what Majesty's application conveyed in these words, hart been their own 'course of proceeding in this I " the Queen having beets 'Dionne& that proceed business. Had they not already, on the Petition of i togs are to be instituted in the House of her Alsjesty; heard Counsel against the sitting of i Lord., feels it necessary to approach you* the Secret' ennstwittee, when, in point of fact, there Lordships us a petilienter," &e. As no forms Waallil proceeding at the time before their Lordship. ! were then technically interposed. he was at a 'rhey had not then tethered to techuical formalities, loss to are hew' - they could he staved now. why s h o uld they now ? She had no more know. Her Majesty dike 'not at present eleint to he • ledge theta of the intended coarse of . proceeding I Ward igitiviat the Bill: but she cOMPlained against than she had now: • lie Coofeesed that when Counsel t it 'Repent which had been' aside, Mut claimed nos had been heard on thi' fdtmer occasion, he felt that to be heard in her defeat* against the allegations touch inconvenience' might Oise from the adoption contained in that Report, 'whit* ems professedly M il .nch a comae-of proceeding. in the state , tended as the remind -wilt& of further inquiry. which the question then stood ; but though not She claimed to be heird• in the present stage of struck with the propriety of that course, lie was f their proceedings, soil hr should recommend coin riowilling to object to it at the time, anal he had libellee with her Majesty's request. He said this acquiesced rather that approved of it, considering ; in ►perfect and total ',gummier of the mesons which rofessed herself the situation in which her Majesty was placed. If i her Majesty, in' lieu Petitioo. p that proceeding was at the time to which he *Mud. ; mexiou. tore urge . Those reaaons might possibly be ed not objected to, nod not objectionable, law 1. weighty, peetingthe hounexion between tie case much stronger then in comparison were sot the I ar It tiled sirut l . and the lothoequent loweedittiCe g ttttt lids on which the present claim made by ! T bi a was the first tune in which her Majesty were founded ?—(1leor, hear, hear.)— her Majesty had been pot iii poweesion of • The Noble Earl states that he objects to lacer ispecific allegation. If the !louse had alreedy Counsel now against the Report of the Secret Coin- broken through all these rules us a case in which -metre, and that Counsel cannot be 'ward against • 1 IWytind all comparison they might tai have B:11 which es yet has no parliamentary existence ; adhiired to. it use 'Wetly not right to stand trout, in point'of fact, the Report of the Secret upon the point of loran turn. They ought not Committee forms a. yet tin part of their Lordships' to do so on this oecifiion. lest hereafter. in the • nroceedingt ; that it is only NO initiative, of which ergot of prajtattici being excited ageinst her Majes theVueen can hate no knowledge. It has heen ty; she should have 'an opportunity of turning w o n stated that this charge affects her cher-a:ter, round and stating that that prejudice would nut hate idierests. rerhaps her life, and she now states have existed if they had acceded to the prayer of that she has weighty matter to urge in her defence, that Petition. She wife mititleafto every privilege which' it is material shoold now be heard. Coiui. t 'which justice would extend to the husublen pennon dereng. therefore, the situation in which the (lure' I in the state. He entreated the Howse seriously to Is !Meet., sod the deep itttereet mom the qiiestion consider o il this cuwasism, whwther it would not be which now agitates the public mood—aii agitation bitter' to accede to the prayer or the Petition. than •to which. however, he did not :diode with an inn- by rejecting to appear to deprive her Majesty of any plover view on this delicate unhappy travisactioe, ottyalitier which taw thought essential to her own lie thought their Lordships ought Dot to be too casse.,..-(.ifeeff. hedge) • Mee •in pressing forward technical forms to such Lord HOLLairki said, that the terms of her Ma ad appticetion as this, and more particularly in a jerey's Petition had been entirely mistaken. Iler •oisie in which it had been on all sides agreed there 'object - in 'presenting it was of two Itiods--first. as were misfires.' forma or precedents entirely analogions against the Itiport on their Lordship.. tabk—and to guide their course. This ca se weir without pre. eeettitilty; *tilting that she had certainly great and cedesat or land-mark. the lodination of his mind r weight; reasons to adduce against other 'tarts of the W. 0.4; therefore, wittnint armor:on! to purse the opia. I proceeding. lie was ready to ortanit the Petition stop too far, to accede to her Nlaja sty's request ih .abbe of a Very extraordinary 'store; but •were not lola cave. Hr was noxious in this ease that their .theirLordeltipa altogether tes(reeting this bateau**, Lordship, should carry public opinion onto throw, ..placedin extraordinary situation ? When they 'rimy ought particularly to do so in a case confessi. spoke of the forms and functions of the House, did edly itivolved in im nittch difficulty aid embartawis • 'the Noble Lords opposite mean to say am ment, and %Oleic her :Majesty asserts that she has its t h is busitiers . they had proveeded according to weighty mailer to allege, which it was material top those forina;;or had they nut rather altogether Own. • her future defence alionld be now heard.—(/tear.) gated theist ? lie has very well hwarr. that or- The Lams Itsca.i.hou sold, it was tint his cording to the tiara of Parliament clothing which • interition to have trouhleal their Lordships during bad ocbiarred in that Houseought to he moldered ti,.. must distressing subject, last in have sat dose 1 as bring known out of it ; hut if that role were et. a patient &meter' of whet was passing. and, part,. I godly observed, in what stale Would it not plecithe colarly, determined taut to have his mind judier. t licensed ? Let them look, for toistance.to the only why- afficted staring the progress of these charges by case rhich bore any thing like an ithelogy to the what lie might have heard under any other prepetil proceeding, inituale, the commesicensent of , staircee. He had hroril a gr`eat deal of Secret an impeachment elsewhere. If information re. Catermitterg, and read IMO more eilsoul them or late. sprining that sere not *uplifted to transpire: how ile thotild'ooly say upon' that subject, that upon could the party be enabled to petition ag Mist the-most mature reflection lie was now prepared to it, as was freqUetilly to be the case ! Were say, that had theii Lordships not adopted the not charges awn made in their COWS! which they had taken in this business, they House whieli were stopped in their progress On rae. .0604'0/a hare acted in the Hamner which. lie I room of thew najustoce ? flail not Lord Bristol Monti% tenime them. in the etiolation in which ()lice laid a charge tau their table, proceeding. Into theyrwtte ploced.—.(ilear, hear, hear. ).—W whirl's were iestnialy stopped be the House. mid an teepert to the Petition which . had liveti just end put to tile nivestigatiou ? When they talked Of reloaded from her *Majesty, ell he should say adhering to precedents, he would ask. whew would wi4, ithat itv-prgyer ealiml•tij 'bent for nothing they dad a precedent for laying a criminal char? let* than a surrender of the *hole coostitution of of this kind on their table its the manner that this lied Partnimenn Its tin fi tat place. it was not rompe- been . laid ? Ile - would sumer their viviestions about wise as yet' for stay pinion to say to •wlist the Re- precedent' when they hae-atiewered bile. 'rlirir pore' eta 'their Lordships table Would lead. He proceedings now had•eommetteed by a Secret Cone. 'ki bd glad ate. lame ohm; iu the history of insure; • they' had • bees' Conducted' i i i-etuonort the Ma proceed:up of Parhatneut, they had beet' as altogether auotaalous. %Vim the Noble Lord law—and when that donbt was strongly itwl eons elusively Gilt by swell high authority as the Noble Lord on the Woolsack, and fry 'another Noble Lord (.e believe Lord Erskinet who had also pined that high otfiee, after having held for a long time a high rank in the practice of the Crimi nal Courts of roupitry---atien such doubts were hell, would it have been proper for In. Me. jr,ty's Ministers to twee 'seieetril I'or such et this the co u rse of tin iinkaelinient ? WieUld it have been proper fin then' to - have selected a mode of pror;reiling *bleb may fall in its proxies's. till ',Town or - the iteterpoestion of a legal techni cality? That 'bring the' case, he saw nu course whiCh their Lord;lii4ss could suitably hdopt, except a Bin of Pains and Tim consideration, as lie had said before, then rose, by which House of Parliament ought the proceeding to . originate. Uri, der sll the cireumstafices of the case, he thought • advisable the Bill should be introduced , before their Lordships, us their Orlicial habits and forms would enable them to proceed more effectually iii the progress of the inquiry. (Hear. hear. I There war another circumstance which particularly frointed'out that thir measure should originate with iheietortiships. Though this subject did not come ti-fore them exactly iii the stature of a divorce between the King and the Queen, but roller se sit inquiry more iesraeiliatrly affecting her Majesty in her rank and capacity as a Queen, yet still it did relate to some degree to the marriage contract at present subsisting between the King and Qpresi ; for the allegatious being once proved as set forth in the preamble, the dissolution of the nistriage rini-t be the inevitable consequence. The Nolrre Earl then defended the course pursited on this•oio fell case by the Executive Goverionent.iiid eelA s iis ed the justification he put forth on "'former usgb.t , which was, that in a case of such extreme import atter to the dignity of the Crown and interest* of the country. end where the illustrious rank of. the party was considered. the necessity of the inquiry origin riot constitutionally to be permitted to rest on the respusisibility of Miiiiotios, without en intermediate investigetion satectioned, by the nothority of Parliament. It was said that the Itsport of the Secret Committer had the 'effect of prejudicing the case of the seemed. He was ready to affintt that there was no form in the administration of justice framed for the safeguard of the subject, that did riot in certain cases operate with some de gree of prejudice. This consequence unavoidably arose not of the stature of the proceeding, and must be t.: k en as the lesser evil to which openly must sub:. snit. As to the Bill which lie meant to introduce, the preamble would state, with as much particula rity as the Wore of the offence admitted, the apes cilic charge. It would then, proceeding on the aso somption that that charge were substantiated before their Lordships in evidence, go to deprive her Ma jesty of her rank and title as Queen, and cons clink with dissolving her marriage with the King. There were Ito isenul consequences over and above whin lie had mentioned included in this Bill. With the exception of the degradation of the Queen from her rank, and the dissolution of her mar riage. should the alleged crime be substantiated vomit her. it was not iiiteridell to bear inure severely on the individual thou the case actually called for. The chargmicomaitied is. the preambk were then to be gone thin, and if the House should be insur ed by the evidence of the correctors% of these charges, their Lordships would g o on to the second reading. Ile trusted that their Lordships would discharge their duty as they had done on every other occasion wherein they had been called to exercise their ju dicial character, so as to secure, as they well dewy the respect and confidence of the country. He would then propose that the Bill should be read a first time; after which he would move, must re spectfully, that copies of. the Bill, when printed, should be delivered to her Majesty the Queen. Then their Lordships would be able to postpone the second reading until the Queen should be con sulted as to the period in which she would prefer that the Bill about(' proceed. It was a matter of indifference to him. If she wished it, the second trailing might he delayed, as well at intermediate proceedings, until her Majesty's Counsel were 'ready to go into her defence; otherwise, if It was her wish to !proceed forthwith, it would be for their Lordships unix an early day. lie would propose that day fortnight; iii the mean time 1w would pro pose next Friday or Monday for further proceed ings of an intermediate nature. Their Lordships had a painful and distressing duty to discharge; sioce his Majesty had intrusted the +administration of the Executive Government to his present ser vants, he (Lord Liverpool) had not been called on to perform any duty so painful and distressing to his awn mind and feelings. Their Lordships must endeavour, notwitlistunding, to discharge that duty with tirinneis and resolution, but with the utmost possible lenity and mildness to the illustrious ac cused at the sirtne time. It had been said, mud it was highly satisfactory that it could be said with truth, that there were no precedents h of such cases on the Journals. For a period of two hundred years, with one exception, wherein the party had never come to this country, there had been no Queen of England against whom event whisper of alteme had been heard or circulated. For the last sixty, years what benefits and advantages had been derived from the example of England's Qifeen, by whom the morals of the country had been so powerfully protected. The only case of a contrary nature which had been known to the British Court for two . cen turies. was that to which lie had alluded. which was the Case or one who had never resided in this einintry. If the charges which were to be advanced. should, after being proved, 'fail to convince their Lordships of the necessity fur proceeding with this measure, it would not he' only the impunity of 'but the triuntpli a guilt. They had a straight forward course to !wow, from which they were not to be deterred. they ought nut to be driven by the effects of :prejudice or popular cha r. He then moved that 'a Bill of Pains and Penalties for depriving' Cid - ohne Quern of Eng land of bur rights, ptivileges, and prerogatives, should be read a first tisde. The preamble, which, was read, set forth. that whereas in 1814, Caroline, then Princessof Wales, and now Queen Consort of England. engaged in her service, in it menial sittiotiorr, retch as he bad' before filled, one • Bartholomew, or Ilartylomeo". Bergson, wild that she did afierward's raise the said Bergeron into her confidence, and not only gave him a situation of dignity iu her houseltokli but near him (Lord Elkoborough) talked of riesling not equal justice to the highest and to the lowest, dot he mean to say that their Lordships would bate ventured to proceed against the lower' in the land he the process of II Secret Committee, by a formal Mermige from the Crown, deingrattnir the *reused ?_ %Viten the Noble Lord talked of equal justice, he would ask him was there any part of this wit Ile pro. reelltsig cosidtrited in the natural (-norm of law ? erer the forms of' lairi talked of in this case ? not' the 4 ritry assumed fact Or the fir rainy of a legislative proceeding enough in itself to Phew that the Mfiriser's of it thought this 'Mt extraordinary case. to 'irltich the forms and prece dents of law were by them considered in applicable ? Away then with this stickling for the technicalities of 1.14' when 'the Mature of the case sheared that it Is ettlSrlitl la*, without fotm, and Without power dent; k'easiiife'llie Proceedings upon it ! If he ap proved of. thou inquiry so strongly as lie distils. proved grit, lie would still say, that to a case so anonslibus, it . W:411 wiong to fetter dove* the ac cused td Orditiary rates, while their Lordships them selves pinCeeded Ot;on rule. extraordinary. As hype orgoment that nothitsg could as yet be known else. where of I heir proceeding., and th it they mart therefore he considered as still confined to their Walls, be would out waste his time in repelling, it. Such an srguinent was not worth powder and shot. —(4 laugh, and Ilear.}l&-They may call it a fool demential and an established privilege, foist their designation would be idle, so long as the principle of it was palpably unjust. A right of use merely to one party and an injury to another was.substaii tially unjust, and ought to be disregarded. %Vati. respect so what the Noble mod Learned Lord had said of the judicial impartiality with which he would come to the consideration of this case, he gave hint full credit for his assertion, bat he 'could not are the application or the case riot by the Noble Lord of a man ' bring subjected to a trial, after having, as a witness in another cause, confessed himself guilty. There the prejudice, if any, might be easily discarded, because unborly ever dreamed that the same Jury ihnold try the man whirls had previously heard and diarrgerded lira testimoily. N‘'itli respect to the Report of she Committee, of which it was said the accused could have hail no cogniz .ace, it was enough to say that it existed, mid contsined a charge of a woos( beriOUS torture, founded moms documentary evidence, on. attrintruvied• by tient ewe • testimony. That Ite port-recomineisiled ■ fegiilative procrediug; Maw &soy facts could be -hewn in the present stage . of their 'Proceeding which might quash the inquiry ahogettter. or alter the intended mode of coo. &tiding" it, 'ought not an opportunity be allow. cif for their advaiissiou Ilut it was Said that this would create a bad precedent. Ile de nied. that, strictly ,peeking, there could be any precedent acted up in Bills of Pains and Penalties. all •of winch most depend se verally upon the valirfiry of their specific grounds. if tto Wet Were do'obifiii, and they were about to institute au extrattrilmory peor;rreditig. hi thought the Orkin coots, wroth, be to err upon the side - of isidulgence,—( AM.) The Marquis of Becitemusu mid. that this was not so much a question of the strict implicit firm of precedevit. lII* usaisstrustwe of the very essence of their institution ss a House of Parliament. Between the present application to hear Counsel and the last, which they had admitted, there was this difference—on the ( - miner occasion a proceeding was pending, fur the Secret Committee had been appoisited, though it had not then sat, and there wawa immobility that arguments might be offered that would prevent their sitting. What was the case now ? The Committee had made its Report, and a Noble Earl laud given notice of a Bill founded thereon. The Bill not being yet in troduced, situ proceeding was before the House against which Colmar! could be heard. (Gaul for bid that the Queen should not have every proper opportonity afforded to lier•of vindicating her cha racter! hut this was tint the time. mid mode of t joy ing tiipt indulaence. 'flue Earl of DAIL% IA contended. that there ex. isied no analogy between the prerent case and the practice of Parlititteot iu ordinary matters and UL former times. Windil to Coll, that this case had never come before their Lordships, or had hero re ferred to a S.-v.. 4 Committlee.—vi Committee on which the eye+ of the country had been fixed. Ile entreated the House to prime before they rejected a request sinitlar to one which they bail previously admitted.. As ire apprehended slim too motion had been mode sitar that which proposed that the •Pe. titiori shriteld 'fie nut dye - table, he' was inclined to Moir, if his Noble Frienk dial not, that the Coati. otel be called in. • Lord Uacrte restated the- object of her Majes ty's rebury's. and moved thsittolosel should lie called in. The question was put froM the Woolsack, and negatived viol t a divi.loo. T.be Earl rs 6 LlVitmepoL thin, ruse to submit to their Lordships the Bill or which lie had given no tice. In doing so. liC watt convineed Ise would best consult his own feelings • as well as those of their Lordships, by alistsfitiritg •at the paeseilt moment Troia entering into any ulyfeil of the important mat ter to which this gilt had reference. The preamhle would speak for itself. said develope that charge, the allegations of which it would be the duty of Ifwie 'oflibilly'eMployed MI the occasion to prove by evidesice belbre . their Lordships. Coder there eireurostences, most deeply would he regret if auy thing which should twiir before their Lordships its the early . kluge of thii 'proceriting should create any undue prejudice. either its th%ir Loyd 'Novi' or the public I. Some prejudice was perhaps the unavoitiohle consequence of an ac cusation, of this kind, but it was the unavuid. Mlle attendant upon such proraerdiugs. Ile did not mean to revive hummer topics of discussion, hut he would worm, that. upon, retracing and re considerilig every thing a bids had been done, he agreed •sviiti hie Noble and Learned Friend, that no oilier course was mom for their adoption, under' the whole of the painful ciresienstances of the dale, except thM which they lard adopted. lie had uti ai former Hight argued the propriety of instituting in impeachment rather thou a Bill like the present; but he was Mill of opintoo, that when a doubt was cast upon the legality of such privcreding in this particular case. oft account of the circumstances of the crinvinality not bruit • that which could be established in the manner required by the common entered into a mo - vt unbecoming and thiigracefol intimacy *Oh him, surf that .he besides arquired for him from the 11) r i ((( .es of EltrUpe orders of kilightlinoil, and bestowed on will an miler of kniglithood created by berrelf, and fur whirl; vlir had tin sufficient warrant or authority ; aral ric.i whereas forgetful ..f the rimy . tri welt vhe oved to to e King and the State, she c Isicle4l iii sottbrirTiortifitriisie• in veni i place*, and •t ditlereitt"tinieit, 'with the mina tertreiesse end Olen. give .it freedom, arid' entered noir disgraceful, 0111 r mid tilirrosis wills the aforeos i iil ; literature, to evince their reg. rid fur the I sss ; s our of the Cron', their Lordvhipa pr.rv that it may be enacted [torn soul after the of the Act, &c. ; then follow the pen:dire.. oiro• are the deprivation of the vtyle and title ui 4 r s of these realms., mid of all right'', privilege.; pie. ruptures, exemptionv, and immunities, v be. bulging to her as Queen Consort, and flirt she shall mod may be, from mud after the 'revving of this Act, for ever &prated from, and be utterly iirc•pabtr of, exercising or enjoying the swine, mud that the acid marriege between his Majesty the King Gird the Queen be, and the .stns is hereby wholly Jul solved and annulled, to all entente arid purpose.. The Earl of LIVW4,IOI. moved that the Bill should be printed, and copies of it delivered to the Quern. Earl GREY wished to know if any oilier sort of 1111 l nunication were to be made to the Queen ? Ile put it to the Noble Lord whether tile same liirurßia lloll ought hot to accompany the Bill, to riot out to her Majesty the particular occasions said cocunt. stances which were alluded to. The preamble did not state thins with a sufAcietit degree of certainty to enable her Majeity to know in what way she ought to pieparg to rei;el thesis. He wished to !wow also if a list. of witnesses were to be given to her legal advisers. The Ear,' or Lill**POOL thnagVt that it would be time enough bn the second. reading to discuss chic nuitteis reTeired to. ite had 1,0 delliculty stating, t h at the . spectication of preamble w3s clear, and particular enough for all lair purposes ul defence:" At to giving the .irectised a list of wit nesses, it was wholly imprecedented in parliamen tory proc'e:dniga, whether of impeachment, or on a Bill of hains and Penalties, and WWI never allowed !Yell in criminal judicature, except in the single case of high %rearm,. tier Majesty would he allowed her choice, as to whether the accusation should be proceeded in, or he Maid. ui the tilel place, until Ilse defence was reidy,. This was an ad vantage which could not upperians to any other course of proceeding, sad did away every litritivaltle ground for requiring that the hit of witnesses shou/d• be produced before they were examined. Lord Wens. was unwilling to trespass on the time of the House, but /w felt it isecessary to move that the Counsel should now be heard sin behalf of the Queen, that their might be enabled to state those weighty circumstances alluded to in the Petition. Ile did it 016 iirlortnotion received very recently. He snored that the Couovel should be called Isis Lord LIVERPOOL. thought it would he better to put it off till to-inurrow, when it could be done without any irregularity, mid at which time he would not attempt to oppose it. Earl GREY thought it would he improper that the accusation should go Girth for souse months, before thedefencecOufd be produced. The whole proceedings ought to be postponed until the Queen should.be : rwly, and the accusation mid dafeuce should immediately follow. As to the clearness of speciticatiiiii in the preamble, lie must monad the Noble Lord opposite, that in all such proceedings 'llitsfactsWere au proved before the accused, that full knowledge might be had of the nature of the eeidence; and the charectir of the witness. He thought there: would fie something anomalous in the part which the Attorney-Geurral would be call ed Oft to act, having to coudoct the prosecution by direction of.that House, when he would after wards have to decide on the Bill as a Number of the House uf,Cowmons. Lord LIVERPOOL Paid, that the proper course_ was to direct the Attorney - 7 General either to pro ceed]; oy to,.64mreouniel to proceed iodated of him self. Burl Gum, did not amateur in the propriety of the course to be pursued. Pt was necessary not only that petfea, justice'shoold be done, but that the cond4ry Should be satisfied of the propriety of the course adopted. Lord LIVERPOOL defended the justice of the course raged, whirr) was strictly according to prectd,ent, apd calculated to determine in the most egriNabLe way the issue joined between the parties. Earl Quit said. his only anxiety was fur the character. of the Rouse, which could not, with credit to hod]; exercise hi the same time the func tions of prosecutor, legislator, and judge. The LORD CUANCELLOR appruerd of the regu larity of the course taken. Lord• lioi.t..Aup argued on the atiomolous situp !nation in which the Attorney-General, as a Mem ber Parliament, would he placed by the direction of their Lordships to proaritte the kill at the bar of thetilouse t flow would the House of Com mons feel, if 'told That an IniAjeldunlof their body had hero directed to prosecute a. Hall whirl, miktit be then under their • consideration I The Noble Lord should have stated some one of donee prrcr. dents, what lie' hoe;ii-r1 Of Weil* followed. Ile thought that there niuhl, be . .no waiso effectual ti. prose precedents, tar rime% one applicable Ili ti , case having been produced, as to sp k iiiiiit a COW.. mittee to search for them. UrflifC the Attoroe).•• General received his directions, he hoped sonic dtstanet account of, the accusabon would be fur nished to. th accused. Lord ,Ltireueout. said, that whatever role was adopted relative to the counsel for ogle soli-, %rutin! he equally applied to the oilier. The Attorney- General might n o t appear Ititmelf. as indeed it was generally cus,ioduary cat•trs for him to ap point .time one to prosecute. The Hal was read a first time,• and copies were ordered to be delivered forthwith to the Queen by the Gentleman Usher of the Black Rod, to the Queen's 'Attitrise7 mid' Sol icirer-Getstrol, and to.tIN At(ortiey-Grueral. Coupel were heard .on the Goldsmi4. Coto e Bill, after which the Iluwe aejourued, ~~