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: 1# I taken 'Wile mra•nrea to calamity. Famine did not approach at ogee, but by de grees, and if steps were talent only a few weeks ago, the Go remotest woold Sot itseidisiquitted. "1' he House than divided— Content. l4 .• Nuiacootests Majority against the motion. On the return of strangers below the bar, se found The Marquis of LANSDOWN on his legs, mositig for a return of sit country Bunks, consisting of two, thief., four, Ave, and six partners. His Lordship observed uu the plan roamed by Government of paying the hal pay and pi o sus by a contract to he entered tow. lie conceive.' that if the G eeee potent were slow to adopt the ptiuri,de,uf lessen i the relief to posterity, the better way a ould be. instead of entering solos eortract with person., who, of course, would have a profit, that the Commissioners of the s4iiklog Food r-hoold be authorised to eppropriale s certain part 6f the fund ender their nvinagemrin fur that piii pose, by which means the cootractor's profit would at all ',rota he saved to the public, and it would be merely following up the princi ple of the Act which permitted the Coustritie-noers to be bidders for ism, loan to Guru Foment. He conceived& short Rill would be uecessary to enable the Cuiniuirsiuners to Lod fur this, which might be called an eichauge airbus, fur long annuitie.. The Earl of LIVERPOOL raid the clause of the Act of Forliansest alluded to by the Noble Marquis ass nut ems pulsar, on the Commissioners of the eilikluo fund, but was merely optiussal. It had been consideicd by eery competent Judges more fur the public advantage to go into the m ri het, saving the sinking fund to operate. Ile would out now outer upon the question of the comparative ails aahiges with regard to dm Man in cuntemplatiow, lo cause it soot!' de : Vend greatly on the nature of the bargain which H ; vrould be the s(uty of a Rigid ti n, rt rend his and himself to snake, sod if the trims iirrqr not curb us would he salvia tageous to the public, thet would certainly refase ihem; bet if the bargain were mate on the term, whicii they eireittin plated, it would certainly be more pOr ilozvuui to "Miriade Ft with permute from the meeker, than on any oilier plan. If 'hire shooed be any iodisposltion in the eon:victors to come srp to lb. terms of the Goverement, the mrsogement avoid be livide by windier, esor<e, more advantageously for lib/ public thou by the sinking feud. Earl GREY said, he (note •oot conceive any statement 'which the Noble Esti could hereafter produce that would *hew the peollit which the contractors mast mak., world not be a lo.s %olive public. Of the two plans he should prefer that of the Comm.orioners.of the sinking fond being the contractors; but be sheold like null baler the more simple plasm( • reduction of (maims to the amount of 2,000,000/., redact/1g the stoking fund by that sum. The Marquis of LA NSDOW N'S motion was theta agreed to, sad the House adjuu,ned till Muuday. i • HOUSE OF COMMONS, F.IDLY, MAT 10: gallery was oisent'd a; bait-past three, and the SPEAKER took the Chair at four o'clock. Sir W. LEMON presented a Petition from certain Agri. tillarists is the Connty of Corowatl, ageing' lowering the oties on the imporiation of corn.—Ordered to be printed. • Mr. MANSFIELD presented sclera! Petitions froth dif. ',trent Parishes in the Town ind County of Leieester, /mildest 'elm Rill for admittiog Ruffian Catholic Peers bins the 'House hi Lords. They mated that they hail a grist ees&et fur these Noble Personages, hut they considered their admis -1 sion at variance teeth the fundamental laws of the land, se e itstoblished at the Kevottition.—Ordered to be firlisted. 11h. RAMSDEN presented a Petition from the Town of 'olllllleld, praying Jr'A lor %Iteration fir the laws relating to' 'lseofvent elebtors.—lNderer IIIr.IIYNG peesentertilselittei Roth St.lfittSirer,'Reil. aal-green, against baths& litibting.—laid on tbstahle. Culsisigl PALMER . ittretedteti ties Petitioire 'from the Lreensed-Vietnallera in the Ctry Of litith, rig4inSit ebe system "Orgrinting licenses to lortiliceive; and lie MioulA beirippy • "alive Ms ettpgiort to any measure is vetoed; the MU - IQ Whitbahe puMle were' iohjeci antler The present eiStestr.!. Mr. HICKINBIIIN said, that (lie evil'iseas Antler geseral as bad been represented, Mail he could state that the county of Sbnomities was tternated. Ittr. , IIIROUGH All considered the quentleto one of Irons& iterate Importance, Aid he hoped that the country gestic aseleereeld glee their support to a measure which would souls be bot& forward to remedy the abuse. Sir E. KNATCHRULL defended the Maria rrrrr a of the earthly of Kent freon awe reopotations. The Petitions were ordered to he printed. Lord STANLEY ' , resented' a Petiiiim from certain Pro testant Dissenters against the Martine. Act—Laid oa the tattle. Mr. HARRYATT presented a Petition from eertalor Ship Owner, at Leith, against the Hill far altering the Plarigstio• Act.—Laid on the tattle. Mr. LEGH KECK preeeistid re relater from the Chortle warders of the Parish of Edilinglou, Ft the Counter.? Tel eerier, against admittinglthe Homan Catholic Peers into the Claim of Lords -;.-Uidereil to be printed. Mr. RUM HOLD trefitenteel a Petition from serials Fish. ing Merchants in'eiest Yarnirroth,'praying for a repeal of the duties upon salt —IAN on the table. Mc. SCOTT poem:moil a Petition from ecitain Unitarian nesenterr praying for an 'alteration in the Marriage' Art. He iroosidered that joinice .lerissioled that the prayer of the Petition shoill.l be rented, *oil he trusted that in a few years all those restrictioos us religion, which now disgraced our statute book, would be done away with. Mr. HART DAVIS presented a Petition from certain Tobacco Maaohleturers in Bristol, praying fa.• a reduction of she doting:i tobacco. - - - . . Mr. BRIGHT POI ppm ted the prayrr of the Petit WI. Sir I. COFFIN said, that atougeling tobacco load been carried on to a great exient in Ireland. le the course of la•t year a quantity of tob.iecu, to the amosat of 300,0001. had beeo i•trodueed into that cutitry. lAiil sin the table. Mr. CL It MI!: presented a Petition from certain Mai PI sinters in the County of Sussex, enmplannoc of the dotirs upon Imps. He was sorry to state Chit such wag tba melancholy cooditioo of the landed .sitertats, that the pea s...try were leaving the comitiy, the geutry rrsre .uo longer able to live is their maustuois, and the landlords might be considered se wayinc a rest to the Kuala to Induce them to retain possession or their farm. Sir B. LhATCH BULL said, that unfortunately the stale. ntrot of the Hon. Gentleman was not curined to the county sit Sussex. Sir :. SHELLEY said, that nothing Lint a reduction of taxes could am the (wintry, and he thought a reduction should be made to the amount of the sinking Inuit Sir T. LETHBRIDGE aunt, that every day he received fresh aceoust• of disiress. Ile lamented that there was sin prospect of immediate relief from the Government, but if some solialsotial remedy was out proposed, ruin must • Mr. H. SUMNER presented a Petition from the Parish of At. S4lllollr, Soutliwark, against the aemission of Roman Catholic Peery into the Howie of Pe.sts. Sir PANATCHK/LL presented a similar Petition from itselirehtlekccin and Cleigy of Canterbury ogsi oat admitting Venially Peers lulu the House of I..rds. He sr tilted Mks oPpArtinity Ofexpressing his objection to the • t;width Alselitestion hail been brought forward ; for igqt It thrintty dangerous to separate it from the The motion of " Nohk Friend wss netewarr, far it would to feet in eonition with the Petitioaers, The Hon. Baronet stow when nt was aptaird for, and tf sent at the proper lime. had abio4 l , if the Lai Lords were admitted, why the Catholic The Margot% of I.AISSDOWN wished to know at That Blitiops should net he allowed to take their setts amongst period the Government had sent relief, fur on Ilia his vine the Right Reverend Lords in the ether House? Perhapa it would greatly depend. ! mhbl administer lt. him some consolation to know how very The Earl of LI V Llt POOL replied, "Some weeks ago." ; -plight /I shade pr, vented, not only Catholic Riabows, hut the The Earl of LAUDERDALE said it was not only with a mr t y t t ihrowolv-s soil the Jewish Rabbi f.om sitting in Par - •---- hot L i ace w h e th er t h e G w .„ and • lancli.)-11 was hart ly the secidental - . insertinii o the word Christ tan" which prevented that siow sionmstiun which filled with alarm the good mist of Kent owl their worthy rep tative.—(Hear, h-ar.)—They would have nu objection to take the oaths spatial particular pniut• I of doctrine, soil thry were mriely excluded by saying And all this I promise on the faith of a Christian." Certainly the aternhers of the Greek church could sit there; they ab• jsted .11 the tenets, soil they were as well qualified as the hest Protestant within the Archeicarnory of Canterbury. Sir f.. KN ATC 1.1. explained. Mr BROUGHAM said, if be were the Patriarch of Con staiiiinaple, nit honour to which he did not aaiiire, he might most couscieutiously take the oaths of allegiance and supre macy. Mr. LUSHINGTON concurred in tie sentiments of hie Hunotirable Friend the Member for Kent, fur he would sooner cote for the whole mentinre than that which had been introloc.d; for, whether it failed ur succeeded, it could only irk( lutitisin * Which was itways connected with mmirtities. r 'Blriihrtr, if "the L. 47 'Poets, Mere admitted iutu Parliallutiee, tatit*trits to pretest the Citholle Bishops from oittibilherir miaow fottirortiherv! Ile therefore participated is tire slum fell'l4'ilie Ottill4ihere, and he should jive the 'lmmure his 414i•red'uriciallion. r.litt(Ptttiimvi still 'lle slier 'file 411411.'etrowei full credit flaill:: .:A tusas is wse a tß i r lirl thie li l he l . li'id li tiel!rid . "VlPer r ii- ,.. l ireltlw gli etliis.liiit l ift . Zaiffit :ipairtfaliiiiVititiebellillesed prodoc , irritation. The Petition woo Ilion ordered to be printed. Mr. PLUNKETT gave notice of • &notion (we believe) on the Tithe Lowy, for the 23d of May. Mr. PET.I. presented a Priition (rum the Dean and Pre bendary of the Episcopal Chapel in Long Acre. and another friim the Magistrates of Kilmarnock, against She admission of Roman Catholic Peers into Parliament —Laid on the table. HOTHAM presented a similar Petition from the Msysw and Aldermen of Beverley. • The Irish Milt Duty Repeal Dill was postponed to Monday next. • Mr: C. HUTCHINSON presented a Petition from certain Distillers iu Ireland respecting the alteration in the malt duty.—laid on the table. Mr. tvILHRH FORCE rose So correct a rolsrepresentntlqi which hail gone forth of an observation whirls had fallen from biro, ay apptird to a Right Honsiarible Friend of his °Nr- Mte (Mr. Wynn). He had been reprewmted (as he tinder stood) to have *skeet whether that Right Honourable Gentle men. had juiced the present Administration because he agreed with them. 6.r coin/46461 in their view. because be had joined them. Now he *eternal, protested be never made sods a declnration. Mr. %S'YNN said, as for as lie was personally concerned, he never thought the uhsrrsation had been made ; and he ahnuhi not ►naret the misrepresentation, as it bad called forth au valuib'ran explanalitia. • I THE CATHOLIC PEERS. Mr. CANNING mooed the Order of the Day fur the second reading of the Catholic Peers BEI. Upon the question that the Bill be now read— Mr. SMITH ruse to make a few observations: upon the gener'al question he should not say one word. In common with (he whole House, lie f• It the highest respect for the talents • f the Right Honourable Gentleman Who tad intro duced the ; bet he most exente hint when he said he considered it a measure of the mod extraordinary nature, a measure partial, instituted, and wind to the great body of 'the Roman Cillinfict, and egregionsly aristocratic. It was uujost to grout this boon to the Reiman Catholic Peen, and leave the laity where they were. He had paid the molt sedolon• 'Menthol to the opening speech of the Right Ho nourable Gentleman, and if soy thing were wanting to fill up the measure of his oppoodion, it would he found in that speech. 'He had sat with . I he greatest anxiety, and certainly not without alarm, lest the warning of the Honourable Baronet (Sir T. Lethbridge) might be tree, and that his lodgment should be carried away by the Dilatory of the Right Hon, Gentleman. However, if any doubt remained on his mind It ass entirety removed by the speech of the aught Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Peel), who had we powerfully binswered the arguments which bid been adduced, and so ' beautifully adhered to the limits of the question. He had 'Word it rumoured that this measure was not consonant to the feelines of the great hotly of the Catholic laity, or to those who geuerally advocated what wet called Citlisolie Emenci petiou. Re was therefore sorprieed to hove hearditte Hots. 'did Learned iffethlter (111 r. Pamkettl, who had brought for. Wird the great 'measbre lad Scotties, support the presetit motion. He wee enipeised to have heard him eitprees his afipt'ohttirits, triathad of mono; fan was reported be would have dope) the previous qurstloo.—(A laugh )—He slid not of fourse riatibt the elheerity of the Member for the Uoirer idly hf Doblin, hutif•he approved of this measure, why dot bring forward the genetril measure at once ; for surely that noestion, aided and supported by securities, would tome Mimi] hailer recommended to the linear ii the present measure, otteonnected with any such etioditions. He there fore considered it orange that the Right lion. Gentleman could net *sit for six little months—(A laugh)—when the whole quesliihr would be before them. He thought he had stated good reasons why those who were heifer tuchned to agree with the retinal measure shettlA convent to • pospolie wand of 'thie mesanre. It was no question so to whether tilos Omni was a traitor or not ; or if Charles 11. were a Papist Or not ; or whether the Catholic Peers were or were not deprived improperly of their privileges. It was whether this measure, if carried, would he likely to strengthen the ':probability of auntie with the general roestrure ; In his .. apioion it would have no such effect. Ohe word upon the 'general measure. If ever the time shonld arrive wheu sent - illies 'should he found sufficient to satisfy the etroplem of Isis high. Hon. Friend, soil those who entwined with him, then, aid oot till flans, would he consent to relax those restricouns and exclusions which yet remained noon the Catholic body. Mr. WETHERELL apologised for addressing the House after the eloquent slid highly gifted persona who hail spoken on this subject ; though yet, In consideration of hie right of exercising the free spay of debate, he could not anent to any thing which implied that they were to enjoy a monopoly of the attention of the Howie. He wished to state the ground, of the motion with which he intended to conclude his address. namely, that the Bill should not pus—grounds which he hoped to be able to prove were already decided specifically by the House in favour of his motion. The Right Hon. Gentleman who introduced this Bill had chosen to take a comae altogether different from ally taken hereto fore by soy of the advocates of emancipation. He hail taken a particular branch of that subject, and leasing out the queetion of admitting Catholics to all the offices of the State, had detached and insulated a portion from the whole, which vet was of equal importance with all that he had left remaining. The proposition for repealing the Exclusion Bill was founded on the tronsactoina of the day ; on the alarming finnan which had caused the enactment of it; un the Popish plot ; and the incredible infamy of Titus Oates. He was ready to admit the infamy of Odes—din his plot ' was tiothing but it beige lie, or any other name they chose to apply to it. The argument then would be, supposing all this to be true—the cause which originated the Bill hosing teased, the Bill should be euncluiled •Isia ? Another argue merit engrafted upon this by the Right Hun. Attorney. reeorral'oss, that the Eaclesion Hill wua nut considered as a Aindsmenlal principle of the Revolution. He would ad. ' rah the impelling and existing cause of passing the Bill might bare been the madness—the fury—the incapable ' rage of the people, then labouring under the dread of Popish treason. But though the plot to murder the King was a fable, wird were the circumstance* concurring with that period ? Not to say any thing of the notorious disposition of Charles 11. toward, the Popish religion, nor to insist upon the act by which he made that cotispicOone to the whole nation at his death, the breath was scarcely out of his body, ten dojo had Hid elapsed, before a mnsage arrived from the French King to keine of Bailin° what forte and strength could he raised in England in support of the Popish religion. Suppose it true that the ransom which originated! the Bill hail ceased altogether,and other ceases to mite after of full minuet iroportauce, was not the contiousere of the lave jitattlied by Mow tokorquent cireumst slices ? CutineeteJ, however, with this, was the proposition mentioord by bins before, Which w as proaouneed by • very high aothurit y, that the Exclusion Buil has uo pima& of the Revolutiim. If ao, "'Si Would have to give up the main pillar of all 1114 argil. lllieehis opposed 10 the Bill beftwe them. Let any melt de. tioesteitt to him that the finagles of Cobohes from Par. ihrosetitewai obtroideiwpfeted at the Settlement ; a n d, little 11 , 1 • Victim ettataturuce of tillevatti, itfat poi ma would have • very good 'Wee of meneing it fur the Bill before them. lie 'tonight dot he could. by very atithentle docomente, prove the contrive beyond all cuatroverey. He would appeal int of all to the correspondence caroled on by James during the life of Owlet' with the Prince and Princess of Orange. The thike was solicitous to make theM parties in his cumpi. racy ageinst the religion and liberties of the country. What i would have been the effect had he succeeded it would be dilnesilito say; but at any rate there emild Itsie Seri' no "Glorious Revolution,"—there would leave been no Kin William to save the Constitution, suit become thedellverer of ; Euglishmeu from the bonds of a doable slavery—from ty. reouy at home, instigated by the cruelty of foreign faction and b;gotry. The correipnedence took One, con ducted by Mr. Steward for the Utlke of York, and for the Prince and Paincess of Orange by Pagel. The letter as sounded as teethe probability of obtaining the consent of the i Prince and Princess to the repel of the penal laws, and par: Similarly the Bill excluding Catholics from the Home* of of Parlismeut. So that lay documents long before the Re 'Solution there was an implied contract entered into that the penal Ines were on their acerlision to continue In fhtte. The subject Mat treated In their, aniwer in a peonage, which, as It was not eery long, be weed recite to the House. The an nwer uf FAO to Mr. Steward's letter was, that they were meet against all persecution, on accoutre of religion. They freely consented that the Papists should be relieved from the et-verities of the laws made ntreonst them upon ac cunnt of their religion, and wete willing to grant • full to booth:to to other dissenters ;* but they could not consent to the repeal of those laws that tended wily to the r ity of the Protestant religion, op time robeerning the tors, which imparted no punishment, bat only an incapacity of holding public employments, eceleitianteal and civil, which could Mot be complained uf as severities, gine. it was a minus ub d in aft unions, and watt now necessary, both for securing the poithc peace and the established teligiun. If the numbers of the Papists *ere nosh, it sas not remonable le make such a change far the sake of • few ; and if these few that aimed at public cm. ployinents would be um far prejudicial to their own piety as not to suffer the King to be rot:tent with the repeal of the penal' levee unless they euuld get into offices of trust, their anibilion was only to be binned if they refus.d such goisd Offers. Su that King William dad agree to give toleration and relax the penal lawn, but not the gxelasloa Bill. This brine the conduct of the Prince of Orarat before the Revolution, what tea place im dtediately tapirla the Revolution? The first act Of the coyeriinient Seas the Bill of Rights, sod the acsetiption Riven in it of the couvocatiou of Pees was, "The Lords Spiritual and Temporal, being Proftnattis.” The Commons here said to have been connoted by leans—the Bill declar ing the assembled Parliament to be Prufeirtentll- Ile Legis lature, the Executive, the establishate•le lef terry Islet nets to be Protestant. It would hardly be ernottosded thin Lord Somers and the other great men of lila 'thee ' , Ogre 11- Immo of the 3dtto of Charles 11. The Bilt of Rights Melt have intended the cocky of the Catholics, intim It could tw supposed that those great men were Mintquainted with the astatine of Charles II.; hot there seed other e e i. ideates which were worthy of remark. New limitlitions were given to the prerepoive by the form of Ilse coronation oath ehrtioin prescribed, 'Mali boned the Klee and Chino to de. fend the Protestant Chureleand rites, as then ertablished. Protestantism prevailed throughout, and the Government, as thee fonuded, was to be Protestant only. From the Refer nektion down to the Revolution, no King was Wand to swear le defend the Protestant Church and rehpuit. There was no oath but the one old customary oath, which had been in use time out of mind, to preserve the Heists and (.berries of the my* TM. entire deviation from the fonirof the old oath, dirtied the design of preserving the Protestatit Government, ! mod by that to beuefit the Revolution. Again, let them re cite to the Act of the Scotch Ultimo, passed eighteen years after, the g2tl, article of whirl, stipulated the orpresestation of Scotland in both Houses, compelling the reptestulattee and constiment bodies to be entirely Protestant; so that here was the implied comport before the antral of 'Eine The Rill of Highly, 'which was the consequesce 'or his coming—the terms of the new Coronation Oath—the clauses both its that Bull and the Scotch Uniou—meld any thingonore be wanted to prove that exclusion um • fatidamenfal pelaelple of the Resolution ? He had no din. position to trouble the House with arguments upon the ear. tent topics of Ilse question. He would next notice the poeti cal., grounds for seleetiee the VIM' of the I' ton, ant therea. suns for simplifying and extracting it from the general Imes. sure of relief. Ile wished to have amine argument why this ease should be detscikd from the CUOIRIOIIa, and made the ,subject of the present Bill. He thought it • very odd commencement for the House to make in the Mignon or emancipation. They might have expected the appli cation of the old proverb, as "charity begins at home," that their own case would hsve been the precentor of that of the Peers. He knew that it was quite practicable fur the -Moon to imminence a eseasore affectiee the Lords. That not his topic; but at keel it might have bleu expected Moo the Right Honourable Gentleman would have token -cam to introduce his brodur Cumin:mem A Noble Lord had said that the Commons were lout the imaniueee of per sons sitting in another place. What would the Noble Lord say uf the Commons sealing seven or right etstesits of introduction to the House of Peers? Tt undid put the Home in an invidious light when it was sera that they were not eery ardent to set op the Heim of the prelwint order, provided they could prevail for those of the Catholic anew. • erect. He professed Hot to be able to discern the difference of these rights, or why the Peer should hr reintegrated before the Commoner. He waived the question of the right to either. He wished to bear the reasons for the differeoce. He on more at a loss to account for the inconsistency of the Bill. By that Bill the Peers were to be allowed to go into the House without say cautionary oath, which was to he tende.ed to the Catholic etimmoher, in one the Bill should pass for general emancipation next year. Why weather:Am- lic Commoner to be shackled with 'Atha, and ant the Catholic Peer? Was these less danger in a Catholic Peerage than a Catholic House of Commons? But, above all, why not put . them both into the same Ball? As In the distinctioe set up between the right of the Pier a pOiori to sit in Perlin meet, and the right of the Commoner only emseetetent upon election, the law equally excluded both, and is that view their case was alike. On a Pismo occasiou the audaority of Lord Bacon was Mutt& into play, which declared all rights to be equal—celiac ty or vligibihty I Now, capacity was every thing and eligibility nothing. Titus might the same argument he brought to bear with equal force on Merest shies of the same question, and be equally formitlable ; every way. He thought still that the Hight Hum Centlemin hid nut 13; - eit successful its the cumin distinction of the cases. He did taut pretend to doubt that Peer. were at liberty to sit its the House from the reign of Elizabeth to the 30th Charles II.; that during all the* time they were brought to no lest, and still might sit in the House. The reason Kinn fur Ibis by the Queen was, that abe had the. Peen more iintuediately moltr her eye. He could admit the fact of the Peers' privilege to he historically hue s and yet he could nut find out the distinction taken by the Bill before the House. He was anxious, too, to known the rea rots why the tests before introduced land been omitted in 'this 'Bill. What, lie would ask the 200 voters who sapported the Bill, was the reason thnt the test. of the Bills of 1807 - end 1111, were left out of this Bill? He then adverted to die Ball uf Mr. Grattan, which was given at !teeth net the work upon his late, unites by an Honouratde relative of his, who prontiaell to succeed to the rkbill. ties of his predecessor. That Bill was not negligeart of oaths, of promisee mid oblization. It bound the parties to swear uto to disturb the property or rrllibois ut Protestants. Of course they welt prevented frum attenoptiog any diner in church property. They were bound, in short, nut to na taudesce soy Church or State. W'hy dad Mr. Grattan, who was to be considered as the Mumma of foie question—who would not be suspected tale dispositiou to superfluity t.f restrictions— who would rather love mock soothing than outrageous re tuedna—why did he provide then bounties? His Bill was prepared with a plentiful machinery of dlauce over cur. respondence@ with the Cows of flume. Why was the Ca• antic Peer to be free from all uf there reetrectione, which were to be laid oat the CAntatuusw ? Enen. slag Ball of last year contatued some seenrity, although the oath prescribed was, after ell, what most moat he considered an a very milk mid • &ter oath. Itto why was it necessary last sea: to impose all oath, end what Micl'e it anseerstary now ? Why was it to he im posed on Peer and Commoner hot imp", Nod not en the Peer now ? It *ea said that there was nowslio Popish surceasing to be dreaded, end the foam ceasing, the le• should no ? imager exist. He did not mean to say that that 111:11111VIt was unfair. But it was set logic to se* that, became' the greater danger had d, there was no Janette remain. i tug at ill. There might be so danger of Pnpi.h de signs upon the throne, but there would be WOW for Popish designs io Parlament; and though be wruhl not emoted for the great quantum of danger, it WAS pain that a subordinate degree would ridst. As to the tint of the Peers. a prthrf, to sit in Parliament, the Queen, at the Revolutioe, bad • right a priori to marry • Papist. But fur what Will it declared by the Bill of Ilighse that the crown should fall from the head of the King the first lirne lie was seen at nom? It was not to he by inter ference of the Parliament. Tile throne -as to b-come ac- • twiny secant. The King alight fairly say.why tint estaticipate him as will as the Peers. He ought to hive his rights aim ta mer' if the danger was so far remote. In parity of *res ilient the eases were the same. The Catholics might Aerie . the power to destroy those eery laws. The principle was the same, though there be great disparity iii the degrees of danger. Ile could point oat places and oressioni where eight or ten Peers might by union and argument pro duce eTects not at all eorrespondine With their member, compared with what might be railed the common herd or population of the Peerage. That man insert be miry ignorant of the Coostiontiers who did not kuow that right or ten Peers had turned many qateitiess of • very iinportast elute by a conjunction of their influence, which dvagreed entirely with their numerical proportioo. The fame prin. tapir was applicable to the rights of the Peersoad Use King. There could he nu reason fur limitieg the religion and mar riage of the King, which did nut as well apply to the limi tation of the rebgiou of the Peers. Why showld they apply throe restrictions to that power of the Constitution which vas ifertolited With the third Estate, which were sot fietrisary for the second? He did not put this on the supposilioo of a nice had scrupulous sense of the ',milieu, If lbeCloilittler. t ion. He remarked on the care taken theouglioeirElsrape to secure the civil supremacy of the State,' fiat WO Catholic Aostriai to assail Catholic Venice, in woe at witieit,lran•ddid Roman Church not subjected to some restrictions. Why wan Protestant England alone to do withebt 'ffetitantees, re quirk by all Europe besides? Nay, is 1814, Spain was naked by Rotate to alter the oath of eepresssey, add ve fused it. Why should Protestant Erseleed moved* dime than Cathohc Spain would lOW ? Ye kilter that the doctrines (minded on the Weed' of Titus (Mori plot and elm dangers of Popery *V tIM lime,"ekre *apposed la be antiquated and gone H• would quote some. thing more modern. He reftreCa them to the various treaties also century, and the pehoewilioge of Conceive its 11788. He recurred to the Bill of last year, •is order belle NM the preamble the Intention of inassioe it-'+' fur the Out klose bf uniting and knitting together a belltearis ttf all sub jects." Thin was not likely to predate maims-of hearts. It we'll be heart's time to the Peer—lOUs it was hearted' to the Commoner. Yet this was to produce universal owe,* aseleffeet the final completion of ell ditErenees end &Pleat. ties. After some fuither remarks, he roucluded by slowing 024 the Bill be read this day six months. r. WILMOT had voted for concessions to the Cathaliell, but had never before stated hie reasons. He lad, most other difficalties, that of differing from w large end respect able body of constituents; but where the tappiwess Or 1114 I lions was in question, be took) not hesitate as to his equity. He would take the Bill on its intrinsic merits ; be me no thing in tbe Catholic religion to, prevent rweessidus - from 'being Male to them. He could nqt think of deannniltirg se curities without danger, and no Over - Mould be nepeekend helftrum admit ties six or eight Catholic Peers: • !Carew hies were wanting, they might be deuirnded•o&thelitmerel inert 'swig of tiaiincipadion, mod until then, onnlideClig the suffer ingreuf 'the put, Parliament mild offend to betirmaterell ieell fur the securities. He denied that three 'was they Mille in the coronation oath which justified thelCingln or 'fasilfg to assent to an Art in limier of the Callsoffes, if there were nothing in the measure dangerous to the klatch. Ciimradn prejudice was now the •sole•sopporr of the penal toile, which prejudice yet went opon - • night feeling, that such disabilities would never have been imposed if tromersed cause had not existed. He was soi to be Intimidated by the door's of molesting the Coustitulien, giblets was an ffieieutly plastic to admit this alteration withoutdangier. It woo*, ra ther tend to consolidate than weikeu the Constitution. It was nut now material what gave rice to the : Exclusion Dm Charles 11. was of an anti-Eliglisla.ayirit, sad the tests tee n required were against a religion the prefecture! 'of which were then habitually disloyal. ?Let • the Whine retook how mvaltially immunity after intention 'isiifgnees fee stored, in the munificent reeve sitWl; TM. proved that they felt the restrictions • hal Ili tn, fir enough to secure from danger. 'llle towsillie+4l that the dread of anomalous techuicalitiek an loildr"Bill was me. thing, because greater anomalies Ventillacarto exist. The present code dashed the cup of chill lineety'proffered freon the lips of the Papist, and then hollered hien for his thirt.t. He considered the principle of the DOH eilltibllshed 'already, mid let it pan, the prejudices would foie • sway. He thought the omission of the tests in 11w 818 levfeetil justified. He thought it '•blierd to dread the 'retro gression of a whole people to`the i Periolls et foresee darkness. The Pope had crowned Bonaparte Eniperor, lanai yet Catho lic Spain and Catholic Austria hail leaped with England to put down the usurper. He did not• Believe that the Ca. tholic Commoners would feel airy thing but pharetre legatee the concessions to their Peerage. He anticipated great effects from the conciliatory (bander of-the Bill in s• it bug Ireland, and uniting it together for the common advantage of both countries. That wasan object of more con.idesati ao than the technical difficulties of incorporating the 11111 with the Statute Book. He thought that the Bill wool(' he censider ed as an earnest among the Irish—tint loyalty of the popula tion being so conspicaous—that the House WU IA Id immediately I lte the general case of their misfortancs into rot iMerstion. I (lamer, that there was • sertner 'settee of responsibility attached to the taking sip or refusal of the meastire. They ought to pause oe tbe consequences of the ri fugal. He had beard a debate in another place on this quest cm. A Ca . tholic Peer sat without the her with a boy by his side twelve years old. "Ou the division of this night," said the Noble. men, " depends whether I must encourage or depress the apart is the mind of this boy." Eight yearn had since past. A serious responsibility attached to the Home for checking pee haps every thing that was valuable is the public or private life lath's! buy. He couelttaled by an traincrt iorocatiori lo theta as men, an fathers, sad peefessoes of Christianity, to rote fur the motion. Colonel FOSTER did not like the contraction a irie ;whole Catholic questiou ha the admisiion of Peers and Commoners to Polio:mut. He objected to the Bill. because it did no *lug to conciliate lrelaud. The Ceiba:ice would ea Ily re ceive any thing which put therm on the threshold of their sights; but if the Bill were passed, and they had time to re- Beet upon .heir rights, they would nut fel to oho eve that they did slot owe this step to the sense of general justice, but of favour to the few individuals Id be benefited. It would communicate a fair greater decree of 'Maumee to the English than the Irish Catholic bodies. He mailitained the novae., of deferriag it till the general measure world be brought forward. Dr. PHILLIMORE supported the Bill. He thought that it would be peculiarly useful to the Irish question. It was more feasible stun the crux rat ettirAiuu of eniaoripefion, because the measure war dcflur.l 111 ore stem', mid the same reason might be Orris to justify the omission of secu rities. lie thought that the Hon. and Lesreirel Gentleman should have quoted the terms of the statute of Elizabeth, banned as she was by Popish couspinic•es against her crown mid life, and ye t retaining sti much magnanimity its to wish to observe toleration as fer as possible. The words of the Act confining the oath to the Commons were Ilium: "Provided always, that fur as much .s tier Majesty is otherwise safficiently snared of the faith sod 10) alty of the Catholic Lord., that the said oaths shall out extviid to C.lllBllO 1160 SW Peers to tithe or prososuce them," &c.; and thus untied the state of the law for 115 yrais from Iti:J2. He refined to the manifest loyalty of the Catholic Peers of that 'period. The Marquis of Windiest , r; Lord Howard of who first fell iu encountering the Armada; Muniengle, who was •he first to discover the gunpowder plot; mid, abuse all, the regard they 'tossed to the Protestant 'theme, by voting iu the tetra of Charles I. sgatiest de• prising the llistinps of their rotes. AMIGO( Are liandred Noblemen and Gentlemen who fell in the unhappy dieter. bawl. subsequent, 190 were Catholics. He cited the ditty of EirOlin, who was present at the trial of Lord Sitars ford, and in his remarks insole on the sane day observed—. afore notielog the flagitious tergiversation of religions roondiort,lhat the tesiimooly of sorb a miscreant night not to have been taken aAainat the life of a dog._.. And yet it wag upon the plod proved by Hales and Bolllite 11.s1 tie Exclusion Bill psssed. Bing %%Ma irh n friend to tolerstion, and many coercive looeasstos were forced upon him by the patriots. If they were to continue en j e 54.4.4 1 of nitmlitme Catholics, wby bad thermal beee An of tie Po estreterionr, who lad bef..re now giros such open and violent hostility to the Church of FAN:lent Ha caw. eluded by earnestly praying 'unmet to the Hill. Mr. COURTENAY declined to to into the principles of the Revolution, or the motives which induced the lAgislaturo to pass the 34th of Charles the Second. for the last eighty years we had found it m os t cons i stent with the princip i les of the Cosmitution to relax the lane rgaiost the Reams Catholics. The operation of the minas? Indemnity Ait arlin ench as to render ioefrecta al the pravistoqii of the Test Act tuned sgiiast them. But if it was a Fait of the compact between the Kin and the people in the Revolution to siclaile Catholic, from offices, civil and mil.- tory,, how slid that Mead without' conduct Bad not ne completely opened the rairksof the army and navy to them! Red we nut declared theist qualified to be raised to the bighest situations in both . services? Bat we declared dint they not he allowed to enter wittil• these walls, loveadt r theinvelics beneficial by their mlents and wisdom to their cuuutry. Aunntalles and Inconsistencies were tallied or, White thew glaring absurdities and snomalies stared his in the fire. Our ancestors coosldered that there was nu ins - spins. bl objection to making such alteration,' in the Cousillotion regiirdisg the Catholics as circonsstnnee, might require. tot them consider what aright be the situation as the present oro of a young Catholic Pesr—let them sum pm, hint to harvest". treed Owe it any ; to have distinguished himself, and arrived by biogillantey at she highest rook therein—bast be found brinself checked when he looked to the sasembly where him ancestors had figured —was lag or VIII/ he out a more daa. givers Fran in Pat liatnent or out of it lie dad ass that more danger innate be apprebtodedfroai such an indivilliialeseuh.l the Legislature this admitted to it. The Hon. 31rni1.... then expatiated. on the advantages which would emit time i lis p at si lat to the Irish-Nubility, possemiag aa they did, so extensive an influence among their tenantry,the same in. torestla prcaervin the public mare and tranquillity. soil in insintainnieg iovimhille the prsociples of the einirtontion, which was felt by their Protestant I/relive*. • It Old cu. Mindy appear .to him that the weight of argument wa s strougly iu favour of the Bill of his Right lion. feria. The cause of the Catholics oil 'hastily advancing is pubic opinion and favour—. " Mobilitate viget, viresque aequirit eontlo." The question mast he ultimately lucre. s.l, and beeltreltril Gentlemen who had out yet made up 'bah' minds on OH sra esti.", to culialder seriously whether this was Sol an Oce4- stun on which the extension of privilege to the Catholics would not only be sate, but advisable and adrautagentia. Mr. WM. .VEEL regoestesl to be allowed to sty • Aar words to explitio his reasons for opposing the Bill of the Hight Hon. Gentlemen. If Hun. Geotlems n would bnt em - eider what would be the consequence of passing this hi into a law, be was confident there would not bestir!. sac, hers retire; for it.—(Hear, hear.)—lf its effect use merely ro adroit sik or eight Catholic Peers, Noblenma of the Swale... uspect%latlity, into the House of Peers, he, for himself, rem f, sued, should Out see soy rest danger in the mason-- Ind if this measure were tiecessardy to be followed by the 1”- troduction of Catholics into the House of CUID11)0115, he .1,01 not perceive on what grounds the profissor. of soy other creed should be excluded from that House—(iirar, hear),-stud if go, what security had die L'arliament then that she Pretest inns religion should ruutinne to be the established °se.— (liter, hear, bear.)—lt had been mid that they might to carry the Bill, because a majority of the people of ird.a.l were anxious for its success. Did he admit the far:. br ellswildstesers that it ought feel to influence Hie sli claim' et the Ilonee , beeense lie was porssided that, could the opi• ohms of she people of England, Scotland, nod !relied to tbey would he found to be opposed to it by a rot/ majority. He was i•erprited hew any owe who consideml ✓ecut dies to be it. cessa.y,could vote tar this Bid—sod beer: th , reforeastemished to find the night Hoe. Member fes c:1- I:u , sersity of Dsololo, support 14. If I his were the seisms 4ir throwimg open the doors of the House of Peres 10 COMIIk., Why Mat those of the House of Commons also ? Aid it's, why ilid he'not bring iii his general pmposition ! after few further remarks he concluded by expressing Ms 'llbee that fionotirlble Members would come manfelly Reign, slot express the sail intents of their constituents by liirowich out the Dill. Mr, WYNN said that he had !lewd as Hon. Gentleman ( s C ts u n t ri al i l u ei9 g,'Fthlatt'f): who (.Pr " would d cott u esli t eT ' the a" ela w i ' m b s u o i r i tb i r ' : Catholics 1131/11i be couced:d. lie thought that that avo.;,; ought to hive a great effect iu reeouciliog the Protestant ensikl of krelaod to such a reinilt, This was the great coo• matisqinition oo which the ate mud complete iranquilloy of 'relied was to depend. Aim this every measure of concbtatiou would lose half its weight.—(llear )—Ccrtan , Geutlemen would nut support this motion, oat tliegrouadthrt they would nut make • disiinctinu betwreo the Cobol e Peer• and the rest of that burly; hut he saw no reasou sui. though desirous of carryiug the full measure, he should int flakier fur the success of any particul branch of it. Thee was nothieg in reason or justice to lead to such a couch, pion. Befertnee had been made' ti (hr Bill of IM7. l': bad been among those who rata iialusl it, slim the claws bail been left out, cortferring uo Catholics eligibility In in, House of Commons; but he had since al.ays regrcitc.i part. The liouourahle Member who bad just sat des. thought there was no great doom is admitting rx right Catholic Member. iuto the House of Peers, te:: apprehended great danger in subsequently introducol. which he believed would be • eunacquente of the st:lss• Catholics into the House of Commons. But, good God if danger afterwards came, thes was the tune to male a stand against it.—(Hear, hear.)—Best because the Per. Gentleman frit there were objections to the other *Cr'ay... he voted against this. Ile had farther asked, bow, if (.ttn..• lies were nut to be ezelodettlroso 'this House, could per. us of any other sect be earlotled? Why, persons of anyarlirr sect were not etcledrel—(Cheers)—aunt before that arge• merit could possess any force, it would be wenn?, to brie( in • Bdl to incapacitate such sects from sitting there. flet theft°, Member for Oxfoi d (Mr. Wetherell) cud e after otlntlittag right or tew Coimbra boo Hos I Peers, the rtext step would be to repeal the Act 10 hibited the Kieg from marrying a Catholic. 'Mr Is however, were completely differeut. The attbolle would come Into the - Bosse of Peers to be elate three or four linndred otheis, Prottetvnts; lbe necessarily be over-ruled by a gre t inajorny in Psi But in the ease attic E;ne, their wits smooch count force—he stood alone. that it was also said, how answer that, though the number be Wow bat Beres, it may not afterwards be enlarged to teat. It seemed to him that it might es well there should be some qualification of property to phases:or eligible to a feat in the House of Peers, after should the King be desirous of carrying • meanie through that Muse, he would have it iti to create a whole regiment of foot guards Parra ; them into the House of Lords. It was also asked, yostrieearities? an a r t ) nil& as well be repliedit petal Bill, acessetspenird as it was with securities, beet thought the latter uerosary t o make the measure pals the public mind; but he had looked upon themes whol cessary, and had been sorry to see the Bill loaded The Catholic Peers resniued their seats in t h e out for • long period sobsequeot to the Reformatioi any mac could state any danger, any inconvenient molted therefrom, then be (Mr. Wynn) would id 0 11;e pow ir re i a b d y ma in i s s a to y, n t r h eyt m ii hei red e Col2Catthitt,iiticrllplieersoll. wihtesaeries., would act es s separate body nwiterl together for a s object distinct front the rostra! inter( its of their coati but the best answer to that was, that they were poi( proscribed class—a distinct holy—but sow mixed' ttttsut falsities, and connected 'nth them by hi r tore. LI nod Il;,t Htro , e ,f dud, pr.. two curl, the Pen. rolird lo •t tr.tin .• oter..tr • w Cull ,• • it 11l ' sop I , II b. .• render t•• fur hr. portico , Int ism ; and Lr witre lettere r the 100 hecon.re " .nllllol4' ••• holly sow with IhtO titer Ouse ion, Imo ner, who allow thtl .mud R e•adwtmr i a coal" wore"' Dolour' a witAT " bluu4, "'I I