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I 1 ' spied the individaal who applied for Ineit is the mediarl moo who greeted . .*beilr.)—At the some time he coesidered it Useotraiatent with joshes that apeial mason sbesel.l be visited where it was Wm dor. He should, thereffre, wish the Howse to suspend their opinioo mail the evidence was before thee. Kt Riot Ist.4 Idolater Gel s Where were 00remetedM his wee, weer to which tit: aoaawlriitfd •itin• iiiiempererwho-rrive f49 1 1P•0 1 -te Irilit.twee hit!. :ollio.ftwo.reerm tsTlalte ista.weeseise. fete stobid INA •leens,-fawns`ithe 1 ,1 7110-114., Mad!, briny .eistemnanetu whisk *ye lead tethilOwelitat the MD/Ostyak, of S reetellitelWere setniated by soy wowertity gorstree , ii, their -..tteidereat sf . Mew Hent.'llseegb In was 'freely io thot• their order* had , ropy Notigesdket•ey, Helorped that Heemir aideliesstiemea womb, not combine to emote' the eitideeme of the Report with no resented a War- M a t igptiost the bleiriatratios who hod steleelvtall :in the discherge of their, unpaid and very trey/Iseult : serviess. .He Mos'inducrd to be-. fore that Ms. Hunt's • situation was et present as cssotterrisble -se the emeditioe of the gm! 'redid ptrasit. As to the admission of Mr. Heft's friends.. lie fend that the present High Sheriff bad•tekes on himself .the respoosibility ref mdmitting flews . ssotler the Wet segniatioes whieh were m force - when Mr. Hoot euterrd the prison, he having, se ts, was n a rtir a t oug l, on n bj ec ti oa t o hem He de . scribed the measures which were in megrims strider the &Ingle/rase* fur alteriegthe gaol. fired. 'netted that seats charge of neglect laird lie egaitist them, tend that they confided too much in the brit they were not withoot good remelt, fruit. At the time the typhus fever wet raging ' witirinthe prisou, it would be seen hy the Report that no coodeet could be-morw praiseworthy than that of the gaoler. He had come from the holt; wheiht-leir had been offered another situation' if he' *Geld reelsoin, with an excellent character. That be hot eoutiatictlfor some times° deserve it, might be known (rout the 'widen°, of Sir T. Arland, and that of an 41.-u. Member opposite (Mr. I. Rennet') who bad both testified is his good con daser in the ovinopentegit r of.the prison. It *mould bemire/idol minim: to the minify got to relytoo implicitly Olt the Intend character of any oho in their antigleynsetit for the defence or integrity of bite pertigularcoodort. He coordemoed the impo lit7of general censure, ea the whole body of the valet Mogiinittes. . r. : 11. C.. 01111 ware did not blame the whole of tinier:may Alogintrotes, but he condennted the sue ., Iflnifill..condoet of •the visiting htagistretea, for .rshpsosernerrul, we the evidence before the noose. kue r w9 9 10, himself more an. Address to the Crown. :Mr-Hume fervid riot. after reading the Report, mitering tinnier ripittion. that the magistrates had aboard mid segferned their treed He wished Mi fritters had followed their own preterit of tint eria. snidiug subjects initially, in regard to the affair of CoMberlind spite. end the dismissal of his gallant mid Han. -Friend. ,Tie Sottcrtoe-Gsxeaaa, alluding to what had been said of the rules and regulations of the prime on a former night, had sent 'loon for them. He bid seen theirs in their original state. end also es they had here altered end decreed by the Judges. 'flue original rules contained three or fourharsti cad tit, necessary 'eglantine's, which were struck oat by the Jodges, end he was new in a situation to State, Met. there wee nothing illegal or *erre in them, mid that they were in hie mind entirely without rea. actable objection. l'he Petition was laid on the table. Sir R. Wit.teni presented a petition praying for liefoens.sild the release of Mr. Hutt from confine. nierst.gtrest the town of Itochduk.—Laid ue the lie it. Wtteox moved for accounts of all the hap - duties taken for the year 1841. distinguishing the.old duties from the new.-:-Ordered. The names of the filarquis of Londonderry end Mr. Peel were added to the Retold Commission. Ur. MAISEREY wished to:put a question to the Chancellor of she Exchequer. He had withdrawn st nsetien tor papers emostreted with his motion for to-morrow night. respecting public accounts, on ci , auluion of having them produced in time for thsipiarpose. lie wished to know if that proinise would hr complied with—if otherwise, he thought at artarlit be a bevy unfair breach of faith with the intim ? Tire envies:Lime of the EXCHFQUER 'aid, that in the elftebee of his Hon.- Frieied who lied mode the promise, it was impossible tOr him to give an winner. - . Ur. Alderman L''.ooo previewed a Petition from ilollitle,f.,,il, an ihe toweastaip of Olilliton, preying for liefutin, and the rriedse of Mr. Haut.—Laid we the table. r~561 -'- ai. POSTM ASTCRS-GENERA Lord NORMANDY ru s e tu fulfil Ina protnieed two t' . tic expressed his satisfaction at bring relieved in the conduct of it from any. possible supprwitien , gF dto , i.g it from personal or snaddhoosesottees; h 4.d. ddetudted‘turrely by tier anise of She great eiri• gede..id:s of the: prrut, which required every Mem her to !oast out specifically. wit he ear lil do t, nury. d.iiiceswhich could be 'pared in old of tbet ..,(..--robich was so grisecally wanted. ills motioo h::•1 another iiilrstaitage, the objects containing now ti.rig of that hardship which many other reduction. ..1 very f) - ce ..posry economy had inflicted open the holilets of the anuatious, where to/defier s r ...a n i s ' of the public, who had spent their yovili and health in the setwier, had been deprived of the means of tile. Those who held the ram to which his Motion referred, were so circutaatapeed, both as to rank onti.cluiracter, that Use House bay. lug once decided. that thsir services-could be dia.. penaed with, they would be prepared cheerfully so bObotit to that decision. Nor did his tootles isielude any suggestion of blame to Geveroageot. The regnlstious of the P. , al-toffire were pa perfect as any establishment could be. No. prole .could be too high for the nitrite of the seri*, astptayea to it, and the seal to be woeful and abialippg to all • who had hastiness with the estikil ' t ma the ' part of the efficteni head of it (Mu readiits). was ' r _• Qoversarent a OW place of it wp it these which . Ow mans. iir . 111161■11 I 'that Gevernmen't 'Would volutiterily as olletierhiesh beleaged to their peez il sat Atli* istilijhitim Of the dm* of its. ;2 11141111 4 1 :g . k sod ti t hsf !be' ost rk. tau . .erotihr * be i lt des Joe new onettinst Irbil* he' Mai to agitate. it had been twice erme he 41511.11-4reeisle :Wale teed here referred to Mr. 13unkes's Post Office Bill ; trot In whet usi his *Nervations applied, .pot to be thimeiY eiiertiiiied - ter thy ga tlery.] ...He quoted in • tetrad .ropos are 'of the &parts' of • a Floosies Committee, which stated it to be the opinion of the . Committee then it was possible (with ohm degree of. safety or detriment to she public interests was not determined) to hire the tlutiecof the :two Vets. nmeters.Geueral dose by one, and the glary of the othereeved. Witold the Howie be lea iceitoreicul new than in 1818 Of ID 1813 ? Frets the ittfOrles tiros which be hid *Noma with respect to this office, it appeared, that soon titer the Union the office of Postioaster.Clepeol, created slider the eneetasest of Charles It., was mattiolidated: the office •f. &etch Peetiosisim •being then elinlished : it AIN declared, thsit the bosii•Ms df the of ce should be conducted under one reinter, who was to hew the besies style, and title of Postmaster. General. He knew not by what legel subtlety it mold be contrived' to make two Post masters out °filth cos 'squired by the Act. The passages itnesediately felicitates in the Act de sctibed the Pootsesster as •• be," et -4 , he sad his deputies"... stsgsslar controst to the :poxes of the modern title, " Their Lordships the Poetinasters Picteltml," gad ea on. The tomer •badietaltbing of Augustan propriety is . it; at hest it was good English, which the letter was not. .The Act of 6th Arnie. arid °thereof the sequent .periride, preyed that the Houle had bein made sulfirieletly alive. to make she crest ion. of 'footsie,. rely diTheelt. It was reasoosble that the most should be then mode of the old odes. The patronage of the Post.effee was con. skived as quite large enough to divide among ten person. The prolits were chiefly medic op of pensisitet "sod frosorshich were of easy dovish*. Hut it sppeared that the Postmasters of those times, star. leo the swig* of 0eb..1. end gnat pert of Geo: If. sc• tdelly did the butaness of the office. He found the name of Cornirallis among the dignified sieves/rifts and greed's, who butiheld the while the nerves of Walpole and others, men of real business, mind the Feeetengs of • their stay, proved that the dirties of the office were not left, es at pre. sent. to the Secretary the actual creation of the two sinecures was not lentil long -lifter. The ears of proof with regard to his mono. was much lightersed by the notoriety of the fact that the Postmaster-Getter' . did no duties whatever. His proposition would net, therefore, go so far as to km abolition of both places. He woo aware of the use of 'a high name wherewith to head a depart ment if any importance. He ridiculed the swims of two Postmailtere-Gentral being seremory•fer the due toiletries' of ibis branch of the revenue, or that they could act, as had bees suggested. in defence of them places ma checks one upon the other. NO man ita hit settees could credit sae:* a prow,- sition. Some weight, it was trme lied bees given to that opinion by the Finance Committee of 1817, who bed reported that the dutiei of the too places could not, without disadvantage to the pub. tic interests. be intrusted to one individual. But surely. if this argument were good, it would street all the other deportment.. They must Alen have two First Lords of the Treasery. and the same for the Admiralty ; even the Treasurer of the Navy neat have his double, though as far was he front being ouly half an officer, he was actually two whale ones. He did not ray it invidiously, being aware that the Hon. Gentleman fulfilled one office. of considerable duties, without salary. The ergo. ingot had bees actually used, and failed, in saving the office formerly of Joint Paymaster of Forces. He explained the inconvenience which had been experienced by Mr. Palmer in the Post-office from the frequent changes . of the Posimasters.Gr:oeml, on account of political causes. Thera were its Mr. Palmer's time no less than eight of these changes in seven year.. These cams were nof now is opera. tion, however, and he would ask nothing for his ar. gement ou account of them. But now as to the opi nion of the Pinnace Committee, which he had read. He would oppose to it a niece of evidence quite as respectable taken in 1797. Lord Chesteifield was examined as to the duties of the two Pos.misters, and being asked what would be the effect if they should differ in opinion as to the regulation., he replied that - such difterefice was not comm n or of likely OCeriffetiCe ; hilt if it should happen, supposed Chet the junior Postmaster-Geheitsl would give way to she senior. So that the public were called on to pay 4,600 i. to enable s Noble Lord to give. way to a Noble Earl.—(Laughter.)—That the duties were not very oppressive, he gathered from the fact that during sonic time iii lele, 1813, and 1814, one of the Postroaisters was engaged in di. phonetic business abroad. The Si otch Post-offiee was under the same regrilstinos as that of England. The Irish Post-office was conducted snare expo .sively than the English. If twirPostrnair ere were too much fur Englund, certainly that number must be too greet for Ireland. There would hr real business for one, bur if it would forma any inducement to one of those •Noblemeo to reside . et home, he would here no objection to allowing such on inducement. He had conducted his motion with • view to the necessity of economy, and by no merits involving the question of Crown influence—a question upon ..which be would give his opinion whenever it should be • brought forward, but not now. If his motion were resisted because of the seeming encroachments on the patronage of the Crown, he , should consider that he had a jest right to cram. plain. The excessive coat-nen. of the war had ,created a great taxation, the march of events "hod .oilestly and gradnalle increased the influeni:e'of the Crown. Any Nervous ahrm or morbid fear *?dimi nishing the Salome* of the Crows mast be ridicu lous. The question was reduced to a :unit* corn . peas of argument; it sous merely u qeestiod if the Hoses, muter the existing distreoper, was fowled. in the framed eetnestness is effect elf possible econo my. Woe the vote given by them on a tosser .aiglit to be mouldered op the hest econtimicat divi dend le be paid to their tarnstitseats, or was It 10 bow dbetiorge is fell of all tbeit mbfigatiese its that hied! Medici ant wish te' bald tbeurby the rate of the previous sight; bat the proseat ease mutt asedribiager Mtti if thee was to ill the hello. sr MI • .. • . iiiillllll sing Goa main °fail their prelmaione. much bet ter bad it *AO for them to Mee voted o simEle eye on the Miter side, shwas* the eritroilAr"lela- Won by •thiit preemie, of mammy which they bed no intention to He froPeatio have the vote of his .Honoara I Felted. the Member for Yorkshire, who hod *glared that he mould rote 'Ter . the reduction - of triry lefeee cirnistair with thr iliktY of the State. 4 hi* Honourable Friend (he regretted hit absence atligginontentj should op pose him. it could only be is the ground that two Paltmssters-Georral were nekeisary to the wtfrty of the' country. He hoped, after sell that had been said about reduction generally, that the House would not reject a specific proposition for that pur prier. end agree to the tontinnance of the Office in sfellattee of public opinion. in derision of the public aufretings, sod in contempt of their frequent profet *ions of public economy. He mowed the following Resolition :— r " it is rim opinion of obi, Hoene that. arithent detriment to the public terrier, the desks of Joist Postmaster Gene. #tt lied be does by one isilivWoik sod Mot the salary of flee other might be thereby idoette the public." Mr. F. lioattmoN could not agree to confine the view of this question to the. mere princiole of economy ; the proposition of his Noble Friend was sceotnpenied with si suggestion that the same course should be taken iu respect to other esteblish mints. The question of the influence of the Crown, and proper Imitation of it, became necessarily in volved. The safety of the State might be in no danger from the reduction of this or any other office; but it might be essentially endangeted if this proposition were to be followed up in regard to all the otletireetabhshments. It was an argu ment which subjected those who held it to some derision, to merutaio that from the experience of all mankind in 'all history and all times, some in fluence most be kdged with the power of the State to emery - on its operation* for the public good. If it were. argued that more ahem existed than heretofore. he imintained that they were necessary to meet the counteracting circumstances which now opposed an irresistible barrier to the undue increase of the influence of the Crown. He contended that that influence, both direct and indirect, was much less than ever were conferred with the direct and in direct influence of public opinioo. There was an extension of political information going on in the eoustry which he rejoiced at, but which certainly tended to evoke the operationsofClovernment mote difficult. The responsibility of a Minister was said to be less than formerly; it •war ter, thou sand times greater. There might not be the same hazard of life unit fortune, bat at every turn of the streets you might hear the most Inquisitive and active scrutiny into the acts sod general character of the rulers. Thii, Which he was ready to hail. as • great blessing, incresied the securities fur good behailour and office, and caused in fi nitely lets gel &knew in them Wren ever. He objected to the motion, because it did not involve the question of the influence of the Crown, as the 'Dolton of the Member for Shrewsbury, for expelling pl.cemen from the HOW, bad dour. They might be derided for opposing specific redaction, when they prefessed their willingness to reduce generally. He must oppose the reduction of any expense necessary for the-due aseinteoacce of the State, and therefore he gave the motion hie negative. far. GUltalle thought that the House wonld eternally disgrace itself, if, after dismissing such a number ol° petty clerks and useful indium) , servants, they continued this job of 2,500/. a year to make one Noble Lord concur with another No ble Lard on the deities of a sinecure office. A Member on the Ministerial side under the gal lery said, that he would 'vote against the motion. Sir J. S . EBRIGHT had received much personal kindness (min our of the noble persons in this oHlcr. He had acted with him in several ca. oscines iu the county of which he was Lord Lieutenant, and had held the of f ice fur nearly half cetitury with the greatest honour to himself. But he was there not as an individual, but to vote in trust for the best interests of the Sate and his con stituent.. He admitted the excellent management of the Post-office, and the well-known merits of Mr. Freeling; hut none of these consideration., nor even the gratitude he owed to the noble person to whom he had alluded, could prevent him for voting for the reduction of an office proved to be so useless. Mr. 11. Semmes PO. that at a late meeting in ' his county. the distresses of the country had been ascribed to taxstion, nod • deinaiiii was expressed •in the course of the proceedings for unsparing retrenchment. If he had consented to receive instructions as to !heir views, lie most have voted to bring nitio-ures of reduction into operation, which would bring about great evil. He did not know whether two persons were necessary or not ; but Sale motion were acceded to, it wmild be applied to all the departments of the State,— (Cheers from the Oeproatiuti.)---%Vhs , would Gentlemen really wish to do that ?—(Cheers.)— Was that rashly their interitionl—(Clit ers.)— f so, he would not girstoSig with them pod degrade him self by endeavouring to reduce the inflti , rice of the Crowe, which was alleatly too low. Ile would op pose the motion on that general principle. Sir J. Yoace hoped that be was not more sub ject te the excitement of popular opinion than tile Hon. Member ; but after the part he had taken with regard to the two Lords of the Admiralty, and considering the office of a steno(' Postmaster. General was *Airless, lie must vote for the motion. As to the effect of the reduction oil the influence of the Crown, he thought that it was but a pour plea to bolster up the power of the Crown by half • dozen useless places. He thought Ministers should have given way on this ma well as 011 the question for reducing the Admiralty Lords, the suggestions of the Honourable Baronet, who had according to hits own statement filled one of those situations so eminently, notwithstanding. There Could be no moon for having two Postmasters General.any metre than for having two first Lords of the Treasury and of the Admiralty. Ihe multiple was of Most unfortunate application. if they could agree to keep mocha three =oath. and three months, they night be allowed to take one salary and divide ft betweio diem. He might be wrong in his view of the question. bat !primal(' support the motion. Me. MP mai ',lliad not Woe spoke. bet that ike mode "wed by hill Hootroruble Colleagoo were used by hi. et' the Sur County kleirbreg, Mu "'eat Dot lay oat it Par !brit adO4 - IN ~~~ . • he dyed act to say in it. rye be gg ea ICst>ae to repeat his assert ;on, that the distresses ot the'cOof try retried the most ' , unsparing retrenchment. His opinion was that the infineoce of the crown. had greatly increased, especially silk* the public dis tresses had made the upper classes so dependeut on Gtutavonstiat for theattpply of their luxuries. The Red Book and the state of the revenue were proofs how gr►stly the influence of the Crown had been increased. Hi objection to The inotisin, if any, would be. that it did out go far. enough. He thought that both °Sees might be done ewev,ittid the business could dove by the Secretary. having placed she Pied -oillett rode, the TreAsury. He again repeated his assertion, that unsparing ►e iveochttteut was necessary in every department of the State. Mt. FREMANTLE wee decidedly hostile to the motion. It was admitted that no office couW be better managed. The Noble Lord did not 'soh to involve the question of influence. The questioJ then was. narrowed to the mere awing of 2,5001. a year. He thought the safety aril honour of the country concerned. The Flon.e ought to consider the general operation of the office altogether on the country ; ancient institutions, licit bail existed ler centuries, sod were needful f • the interests of l'he State, ought . not to be ahrogit d. It coolaletiot he pretended that the saving wo Id give relief in the amount of a f4ribing. The hie Lord ought to have shewn mismanagement, or improper influence in ihe management or the appoit ttttt rot. The in fluence of the Crown was No far from bring increas ed, that it was ',owned to that degree that it wus stow almost impossible to covey on the business of Government. Mr. S. WORTLEY having been referred to in his absence, took the opportunity of expressing his opinion on the subject. He had certainly said that he would vote fur the reduction of an otriecessary offices. He might vole for the question; bot how was he to ascertain, after the cieclardtioos of the Hon. Gentlemen, how far these reductions were to go? A week ago there were two places reduced— here was another to-alight, and to-morrow the whole office was to be subjected to discussion. Unless they were inclined to adopt those unsound views of reform which were now ao generilly proclaimed— unless they were of opinion that they ought to make the Coustitutims approach nearer to • re publican form, they ought not to make such an attack on the sources of Crown influence. He had voted fur the reduction of the Lords of the Admi ralty, because it had been recommended by the Cotnmitt•e of Finance, and he was anxious to snake • sacrifice to appease the irritation of public (mi nims. But if he was to be led on step by step, from one such vote to another, he must make his stand somewhere, and he would do it ow this motion. So long as establishments and influence were necessary to the Crown, he would not consent to have them beat down. If his con stituents required a Member to do that for them, he was not the man ; he came forward to do his duty secording is hts best ability, and he must think as meanit• of himself if he were to give up the interest of the State to the demands of popula► opi nion, as he should do if he were to sacrifice the liberties of the country to the corruptions of the State. Mr. BANIES had heard the practice justified of upholding useless offices that night on principles winch he hail never beard uttered in Parliament with as much daring bcf . ore. Useless places to he be kept up for the influence of the Crowu ! He liud learnt to suppose from the best authorities he had..ever known in that House, that the Crown was entitled to a large and legitimate influence wising out of suffices essentially connected with and neces sary to the existence of Government. That influence in 14 monarchy ought to he con.iderable, cud should be more at the dorm), it of the Crown than it was at present. Toe Bill which had been mentioned by the Noble Mover, and which he had brought in two yesrs ago, bud the eoneurrence of his Hon. Friends opposite, and particularly of his Hon. Friend on the second bench (Mr. Fremantle) (" Hear, hear !" from the Oppositiou.)—He was not a litile surprised at the time of that Hon. Gen tleman on the present question. He was of opi nion, that so far from the influence of the Crown be ing strengthened, it was much weakened by alleles. places. All offices were ins certain degree grievance:, and the least apology fur them ought to be their necessity and list fulness. He was astonished t h at his Hon. Friend who spoke last (with whom he generudly had concurred and acted) should think it necessary to deniand from Members OJ' that House how far they meant to go, before he could bring himself to vole for the redos tion of • oat less place. It was a very strange question to put to a Member of Parliament. . Nat a single argument having Inset) urged in defelice of this office on the grounds of its usefulness, but the resistance to the motion being founded solely oti the general principle of its necessity, as a sup port to the influence of the Crown—feeling, as he did, that the duties of the suffice could he fully dis charged by one Postmaster only, and than the retitle. Lion of the other could in no way affect the tialur-I and just influence of the Crown, ari•tmg out of its legal authority to appeint persons to till the nume rous efficient offices (Attie Suste—lie thought it was • duty imposed on all, but ninre purlieu 111 If on him self, as this office was one of those ineutioned in the schedule •ooexeel to the Hill brought w by him in 1813, to support this innnom, and he could nut an ticipate that the decision of the I louse could be otherwise thou in favour of this reform.—(Loud cheering.) Mr. Pxot. said, his Noble Friend who opened this proceetitog had argued it exilusively as a ques tion of usefulness and economy, and en. followed by his flight Honourable Friend (.Jr. F. Rubin son), who argued it as a question of principle, set tail( aside the considerattou of the efficiency or in efficiency of the office, and coutendifig that it was necessary to the influence of the Crown. But the Hon. Member who had just spoken was mistaken if he supposed it to have been for omit moment conceded that the office was inefficient; be (Mr. Peel) did not understand his Right Hen. Friend as admitting that the office was an useless ewe, but as arguing it on the general ground of the effect of its abolition on the Influence of the Crown, and saving the other question. in the sib, servatious ishieb• be was *boot to rebook SO the House, he sboeld !Ureas himself Rest to the question of the usefulness of the aim, stud secescify Mini tothe•Consiaeritidn of how ai r t n n) ; du i t teit ts .lec k i i son n fi e gt necessary Crown. r ro y or r o s e r t., t o lli Th sle'e e m e d , aai iii teo o li k li dni utir : e tte oin t f l t , ttih w tien o tj u ied td int not alonewfaciromp out b t u , : tieseot argistr iet chit it should n ot be re duced if the circumstance* which ren d ere d memory iu the .outset had ceased to eStit; but be thought they /would be &mid of some weight in the consideration of the usef u l ness of tl:• office. If it were one which had sio the corcitosstirneei of a sear, or of any o tis t uu h nt er ,ohi ti ouic:trhed . i easy oe ,..,, frebre , who was there that would say that it ought to he tniiintanied after the necessity by whici% it had been created should have ceased ? r ut downs* l of any proposition of reduction of o ffice., they were constantly referred to the year 1794, us the petind the scale of which * pre. rented ei t i l t ie co p u m st pe an r ily sta u n .e d d ard w o . f , re i t as had brew created since that period ought to abolished, and that all salaries ought to be lowered to the rate of the establishments at that witting therefore, by necessary inference, the • priety of keeping up such as were then in Now he bad referred not (silly to the period 1794, lout he had gone us far back in his refrrrr c , as 1692, and found these officoi existing in their present roux and number, so long ago les that date. It might he said that perhaps the du ties of the office since then were so Mild. changed, and had been an much diminished, se to render one of them no longer necessary; but at all event', it was natural that that fact should be ascertained before the House was called upo n to vote for the reduction. He would ask the House then to look at the iodine of the duties, as Affected by the unioinit of the revenue which the office Ws, duced, and of the litter were found to have tzritit ally increased, he would maintain that to be a strong argument in favour of the efficiency and 11.- r:essay of the office. The Right Hon. Geoolermui then rend a itatetnent of the amount of the vr .r:v revenue of the runt Office from the year rtti, when it was only 430,000/. ; in 1783 it ns. 434,0001.; in 1793, 627,0001.; to 179.5, 705,00/.; tit 1815, and mitre, it was upwards 01 2 000.00 w. As for, therefore, as the duties of the office dein:tot. ed on the amount of the revenue, which aa, to pled since 1764, they must have been very vein.. ly increased. Ha admitted that Ors was a dul: Slew of the question, but he was arguing it nit tie basis on ethics, his lionoursble Friend (%I r. flankr.) wished it to be maintained, namely, whether it was a beneficial office; and even on that lee maintained that it ought not to he oboli•lied. But he would refer the House on this part of the (po tion to an authority which he conceived to be tame all dospute—that of the Coqumittee of 179:f, which he had never heard spoken of in that Howe but in terms of the highest encomium, %Aleut e ,. ference to party feeling of any kind. What pod the Report of that Committee ? " That the duties of the office were of a most finite:often., kind, that it would acquire importance with the increase of commerce, and that it would be . worthy of emisidelation whether the establish ment of a Board of Commissioners on the plan of the other departments of the revenue would not teed to the improvement of the mode of and conducting the business." The Cio 11111 l otter of 1797 suggested, it was true, a modification of the office ; but what was the plan which they recom mended ? A measure which would have reatir increased the patronage and influence of the Crowt.: for if five Commissioner* were appointed, at i,ooni. a-year each, the expense to the country would re no greater than at present. But even on that narrow ground the patronage would have been more ri. trotted. If therefore any base considelatiou ars. tronage had actuated the Crown, it would lido: adopted that recommendation rather than has, kept op the old establishment of two Pot. masters at a salary of 4,300/. each. Tde office. of Postma.ter-Generel was comodered ss one of great patronage from the number of ap pointments within their gift. But what was the prop" which bad been hrougbt forward by one Hon Geidlent,, Thal the whole of the duties of the office should he trait. (erred to Mr. Freeling.l-(Hese, hear;—aid that the pahno• age should be exercised by she Tteatury km He had no wish to min:ems . ..rut what the Hun. Geuilmose had stated, ur to pi e clude him from the opportunity of ox. ploioina his measiuz; bulobeis the Hua. Gentleman pens pined to traveler the office altogether to Mr. Freeing sod to the Treasury, he could come to no other conclesion than that he intruded to vest is one or the other all the palmist. at present is the heeds of the Postmasters-General. He in.uld ask whether any fault could be found with she admittiorz ti of the business of the office in say one of Its brioche , ' Ii had been admitted es all bands that it was coeditor! most advantageously to the public; sod was it then Gu to transfer all the merit of its regularity, COOVl'llifilfe, and di.- patch, to an inferior officer of the Board. and to deorritoe the beads of the department se tueffitirnt ; He roits,der,d the (hate, of the office to be of a most importdot allure, ois connected with the amount of the expvtoninre fur tbeesto blioloment. The reveane culls eied iu the h hole deportment was little more Hem 5,000,0001.; but the expenehi!uie amounted to ao less a mem than 500,(00/. every pa,ntrat of which was made by the express authority of the Just Postmasters-General, Mr„ Burke bad never supposed the duly of these officere to he so great as evirely ti weary the tone of Ilse iudividuils who held them ; sod eat he said there were only two officers ..f Stile wh ich would touch, asmely, the thirst Secretary of State.+, red the Board of Control, and made nn mown.' I.!. , tlever . o: niite:vecProuncessiimiriaaresattaeriogasiGt:On the e.uunJs whirl he had a 1r 1. : He mow approached the other branch of the (pie.lent, which ha touched with great diffilenre, from his cuu.i tom of importance, sad because he reit that she bare dioritssoun o f ni the nt ate . bj it ee ll t ila in u v g olve she drogue the in a time country. p try p i v i e o t; cliffic•lt was it to describe the just Waimea of the Cross. But if he found an office established at the period of she *evolution, and rensai&ite untouched by the wisest m's , and the greatest economists the country loos known, that he should my was one which it WWI lint adVh.i'le to touch. He had heard doctrines broached in tin: House daring the present 84.11161011, such as had rover been beard before. He had braid from the Honorable Member. for Sandwich (Mr. Marryait) as argument, that so be latd fused it amatory, from the diminution or trade, to downs four clerks from his own private establishment. therefore it was necessary to dismiss a considerable number of the per. • sons holding sintatioes is the public offices, where the int, 4 • mess was sot snlitelrat to give ober full occupation. Bet be (Mr. P.) Dever mold admit that the same principle of RP'• lanes amid apply to the vast sad complicated usasagemest of public "Aces as governed any private establishment. Me had heard from the. Homserahle Member for Applrb, (111r.Creesry), that me prorate/a shootd be mode for public servants so their retirement from office; he bad herd demands of every kiad for the redaction of every aver.P ll " at Mere, bet made la seek • amoaor as totally to overlook twee, Wag that had hems does in art way of economy tied retrewelsaienr, sod supported by argameals which led . le Ibis remlt, that the poloist Alm ef the Stale should le gins be I hose who Were Willie' to Iddlderbill all others la Oil e I he Lr r I 1( f 4.4114 uots the• to pi Stab glad SPrvj 1.4 k re•a vs • .rw w . m• m“ 11,01• .4. Is VMS/ if knolea. Ile had ho biome for G oh oceouut of she tontinuAnce of I've :unit Pingonaolier-Geuer4l; job on it n.d been rounnued uu through dm alight be coiled pool times to tb It, woe rather too much to expect • ?• 4 1 , 114 01,, • 4 _~