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ii• of debating the measure subsequently, u he had the greatest objections to the Report. The Marquis of Lompourriaav observed, that there were a g►eet ninny steers yet to go through, awd the House lusd been already folly engaged four eight. on the subject. There would be uovertuni iv enough left . for the 'Hon. and Learned Gentle mit. Colonel Dieiu could net consent meta of his Resolutions, because they went to re auction of taxes and speedy relief, which the Re. i niri did not, but only to contingent sod probable lief for • case of diets'ss which he hoped would ..•r @flirt. Sceet.wro postponed the Poor Removal I:I'll to the 31st Stay. AGRICULTURAL REPORT. On the motion that this Report be brought tap General GASCOY 111 gave his opposition to it, became it went to establish that the distress was occasioned by the importation of foreign grain, which doctrine he denied, and he would therefore give his opposition to it in every future stage al• lowed by the vowel forms of proceeding. Colonel DAYIlta then rose to propose resolutions for reducing taxation. which, he said, had been printed, and before pieced in the hands of Members. It wait not his ioteution to oppose the 'etiolation. of the Noble Marquis, because he thought them better than the existing law. Those who sup ported his resolutions would not be bossed either way by it, ss to•the resolutions of the Noble Mar tel. . He did not nosed to' have interfered with isle subject, bet to hove listened only, and made up his mind on the general merits, but that he found of six sets of resolutions brought for ward, not on. cautioned a peoposition fur that immediate relief dimmed by the Petitions from all parts of the emintry. No one else undertaking it, he had*felt it to be his duty. They hail great au• ',tonnes io the House for the opinion that notation had not crowd the distress, but redundancy of produce. The Noble Marquis had improved on this. and declared Aare* redaction of taxes which could he made in reason, would afford uny relief. He believed this, if it Were to summed that the pric,e of corn was to. he kept up fur ever to 70r. aeCalra the farmer a reissonemone price. It wee the emotes% of the country to grow curls as cheap se possible. and that could not be done without a great teductioss of the bodes of the psaltery He hoped 'never to see corn the same price again that it hod been. He hoped foe theindulgeoce of the Irish Gen deists its *hat he was shoat to propose. It was trot his wish to do Ireland any inischter, but his motile Nerve to equalise the preeaure of public burden. upon the agriculture of the two countries, which arse at present very anieqestly divided. He was anxious to do justice to (With countries. English agriculture bore heavier taxationiu the costs of yitiaisetioo. The taxes on pudic., leather, salt. .6.41, amounted to 3.837;0001. foe Great Britain. two rds of which-fell e poit.Engliele toots of production. To this most be idard pour rates, which at the last 'were for March 43, 1840, were Pewee' millions and a lielfo:-sit sidliolis of which fell upon the land— 'educed uow, perhaps, by declining prices of food, to five milieus. The taxes atfecsiug' agriculture is jrtl.iod tweet tchiefiy those of the Excite, upon he-wouldrpropose a considerable reduction. The excise on leather • in Ireland was only. U 1.5941. The customs duties home by agriculture might be computed for England at 160,000/.—. tOr Ireland 91,000/. lu theatre's time Ireland had 'become a iciest importing country to England. 600,000 quitters were imparted last year from Ire. hiod—and coionlering the fertility of the soil, tilt cheapness of lillsour, Bud th 4 little consumption of iTieir food 'by the distressed inhabitants, IR ass likely to be more and more each year. This was injurious to England, and not beneficial to Ireland.--holding out en isidocement to throw 'meadow lands into cons cultivation. of DO btlitet to the inhabitants, fur so long as the system which afflicted Ireland were to coutisue, the country might be cultivated like a garde*, and her popu. lotion would still have to starve. He would now proceed to stow the Noble Lord how it was pos sible to make a considerable reduction of taxes and sot not impair the establishments and the sinking. fund. The Noble Marquis had said that the die warble ferriage likely to he left (rota the oeuvres to progress would be about 2,1e0,000/., of which about 1,800,0001. would be repealed in taxes— the rest was to be available for new penalties or other extraordinary services. He thought that tram the increase of the revenue, valued by the Noble Marquis at one million end • half a year fit was greater still by the retains of the lest month), and those measures before mentioned that It would he quite easy to repeal three millions of taws, and )et keep the sinking fund untouched, and ac tually assist to increase the revenue; for so far train townie° increasing the revenue uniformly. by adding to its amonnt, there was nothing left to improve the revenue now. but a diminutions of the taxer. The opposite theory was proved in more thus use instance. In 1808 the taxes on foreign spirits were Pis. 70. a gallon. The on 4.600,000 gallons was 2,000,0001. In 1810.2..6d. a gallon was Odell; the revenue produced then only 1,559,0001. •I•iii. aegibt to have been eneugh to teach any tiwore Minister; but, in 1812. the duty was raised to 194. lid.; the imports were reduced to one-thir. teentls, and the duty on them to one-twentieth of the year 1808. Ireland was still stronger evidence. There had been an enormous load of taxation laid 4111 since 1807: the revenue, which was then 3,376.000/., was now 700,000/. worse. This was the close wish all immoderate rates of taxation. He had thought before of moving for a repeal of the salt and snap tax ill great part, mod some of the mad tax, but it was more eligible to get rid of one tax with its machinery altogether ; lie. therefore, proposed to move for the repeal of all the excise duties on English salt, candles, and hides. and of tise voodoo tax. together with the excise on leather and English salt in Ireland. These taxes altogether produced 3,800,0001. in gross. mod oat only 3,200,0001. The public by the Tepee' had the advantage which they lost in the pay. anent. This might be dune without touching the surking fend. He was surprised that Government Aid mit review the system of taxes, upon the reform of which their own depended. They ought to trace toe operettas of each overdoes tax through the whole coons of its desolating career. acid detect tott self-dmisoyiog prisciple which diminished the preebees as they bed segmented the rats, The ~~ duty on Wine in 1791 produced a million. It had betel tripled since, sod the wealth of the country had Wen doubted. Instead of producing four mte. liossiud a half, which it ought by this compete: nosh it only brought one =dhoti and a half. The tax ow leather had soak from its heavy pressure te 400,0001. It uses or.e million and a half to the pub lic if the destructive efficts of it were treced throughout After some further observations on the unprofitable pressure of taxation, end the relief which would be given to agriculture by the repeal of the before-mentioned taxes, he concluded by pm poring Resolutions to that effect. The SPIARIR was about to put the Resolutions it en amendment, when el • Colonel Deems said, that he did net wish to -oppose the Resolutions of the Noble Marquis. ' .The &BAK la satisfied the Hon. Member that abluslations could only be moved in substitution lithe motion for bringing up the Report, or for some port of the Report itself. The CSAWCBLLOII of the EICHRQUEIt was un derstood no object to the want of notice of the Hon. Member's intention to bring forwort the motion. Colonel DeVIV.II said. Oust in order to prevent any misandenitanding or surprise on the snbject, he had requested to have his Resolutions printed, and distributed with the votes the next morning. • Sir J. SUBMIT said he was as anxious as any Member of that House could he for every possible reduction of taxation ; but if the Resolutions of the gallant Officer (Colonel Davies) were put to the vote, he should vote against them, for this express reason, that they had no connexion whatever with the question before the House. which was, that the Report on the Agricultural Distress he brought ups, and he thought it most important that that subject should be disposed of. He considered the Resolu tions of the Noble Lord • considerable improve• meat upon the present Corn Law*. The motion was then withdraw,' ; and the gum. tioa ir that the said Report be now brought ow being' put— . 4, -Ti 0 1., ,lii Mr. %Yemen rove and said, in reply to tin ' °b aryons" of the Noble Lord (Londonderry), wish i lag the discussion to be postponed, that in the view which he (Mr. Western) took of the subject, the more early ties discussion was taken the better. The Resolutions of the Noble Lord, instead of 4ending directly, or reins remotely, to the relief of the agriculture of the country, were in truth only giving it snother and • deeper blow. The CSICII. tenon ,of the protecting duties was founded on a ;return of foreign prices of corn, which were taken *sour own fluctuating and depreciated currency, eiad not is. the price of geld. He had stated that me a former evening, when he was contradicted by the lion. Member behind him (Mr. Ricardo); but . , would again repeat it, and if the Hon. Member Purtarliugion bad referred to the paper to which . (Mr. ‘Vestern) had on that oecusion alluded. as iodated with the Report of the evidence before the Committee last year, he would riot have given that *feet and positive controdictiou which be had dime, for he w.s con6ilent that his statement woo correct. Ille a Sully's account of the prices at Dioneic was 4006 in the currency of this country, anal not in the price of gold, and therefore in founding hie coley lotions of protecting duties upon these prices. the argument of the Honourable Member for .Portar lingtuu bed tended to 'naked the House. ,For the consequence of the prices being so token sons, that from the currency being at the time spoken of in • state of depreciation, those price. were stated higher than if tam in a metallic currency, such as we now hive, and thereby rendered the protectig li dtaties apparently IMeessary. so much lower..t ' they otherwise would have appeared. Thii . vrOuld,.be easily seen by reference tu the scout! state of the malice's at Hambergh at this moment. The prices At Flambusgh now are: IVlteut, ofis. to 3114 Rye.. 13g. to tear—Barley, 8.. to gs.—snd Oda 5..9d. to 6s. ad.; sod the freights fo out Hem bq rgh are lint higher than from souse parts of the county which lie had the honour to represent. In addition to the citcumstance he laid mentioned, the House ought to be iefurmed, that such was the distr.-ft in the vicinity of Hautbergh, that the Danish Govern ment had consented to take wheat in payment or lases, and had actually received 70,000 quarters on that account. That Government would ',morally be anxious, as speedily as possible. to turn the gratis es received into money, and the convequencit would be • still lower reduction of the prices. HU had received communications from slimed all perm of the country, respecting the proposal in the Noble Lord's Resolutions to lower the importation price, which, he was informed, hod created greet alarm among the farmers. The faith of Perliamint rood pledged to the agriculturists by the former Act. to afford them protection to the price of 80s.; and the farmers consideeed the reduction of the import price from 80s. to 704. as an abrogation sr that pledge. He therefore dial assert thit the adop tion of the Resolutions of the Noble Marquis would add greatly to that dismay which the Pell. Lions on their table shewed to have been before but too prevalent. In the Committee various accounts of the foreign prices were given, by various irodivi. duals, and by our Consuls abroad, and there would be found on examining them a constant variation is those accounts. That variation was only to be accounted for, by the prices having been calculated in the currency of this country, when it was in • state of depreciation, and not in gold ; which oc casioned the returns of prices to vary according to the fluctuation of our currency, and not according to the variations of the price of K ohl. On these ground. he contended that the Resolutions of the Noble Lord would only aggravate the evils they pro posed to remedy; and he was satisfied that it would be better for the 'soiled interest that they should continue under the operation of the present law, thin that those Resolutions should be adopted. Mr. J. SMITH acid, he felt convinced that the &mom of the ugricult to tit, arose from causes which it was toot in the power of Parbaineut to remedy. He had heard of remedies being pro:reared, which seemed to him to be ruin and dehtrection. mod un der that impression he was cleinrues of calling the mientiou of Parliament to them, because loose of them seemed to carry with them all that was de 'tractive of good faith and public credit.—(ilvae) —He had heard of a motion being mile on a for mer evening by the Hon. Member fur York (Mr. Wyvill) whom he was sorry net to see in lus place. fur he had a* desire to aniatudvett us him in hie abeeuce, for a induction of titration t• tioa West of 90,000,0004—.(" No, 00.“)—His usetiesta, 410 1 ~.+. r ` ~ r true, merth expressed an Opinion that a Merge remission of taxation was necessary ; but the s p e ech with whirl l the Mono - it Able Memhe, pre.• f.ced it, weot to u reduction of to,ooomol. Now lie did not think it would be (titlark lo Mow,' that if any person bed a desire, instead of relieving, to ruin the agriculture of the country outright, he could not propose a metulicebtal means for so. complishing that object, taws to the amount mentioned were reduced, it firld be impossibfe to amy the dividends, end at the same tirue to pay the establishments that had been voted for the public service.—(llesr, hear.)—The army and navy. the former at least, hewing arms in their hands, could help themselves • end he apprehend ed they would not he preventcl from getting their pay, whatever might he the ewe with other breaches of the public service. Rut he wished the House to see liar a moment what would be the effect on society 'of a remission of taxation to the amount of 20,000,000 f. supposing it to be intended to pay the fundholder but the half of his dividend.— There eould be no doubt that if such a motion were adopted, great starlit would be excited oolong the fundhotders, particularly among foreigners, who. it was well tuition, were very large holders of Bri tish stock. The proposal to curtail them of half their income, would induce them to sell out et al most any price that they eould get, in order to with.. drew their property from sta insecure an investment, in order to place it in the foreign fends. The same would elm be the case with t‘ large proportion of the English hoiden of sleek. There wee already a strong disposition to sell English stock for the purpose of making turndown!, in foreign feuds; end if any idea of 'such a reduction as he had alluded to were for a moment entertained, there could he sio doubt that that disposition must be greatly increased. The measequence would he that the exchanges would be almost immediately from 40 to 30 per cent. against this country, as was the cote with the exchanges on Paris in Mt and 1793.—(Hear.) — That would cause a demand of bullion so great that in • month at farthest the Bank of England would cam to pay in bullion.—(Hear.)—The pro perty of the Bank of England was a great part of it at this moment in the hands of Government; it formed a part of the public debt. He spoke iu the hearing of the Chancellor of the Exchequer, who could correct if he was wrong in his statement. There was at least between 20 and 30,000,000/. of that property locked sip in the public debt in Exchequer bine, and the deficiency of the Como- Striated Fond. Had the Bank of England a pre ferable claim to be paid in full over say other pub. lie creditor ? Certainly not. The Bank then would become insolvent ; it would not be able to pay tep shillings in the pound—and would their notes pass then, or ought they? Who would take them un der such circumstances on any account ?—(Hear. hear.)—The same would be the case with the He vale banks, and with the - large commercial houses. If he stated any thing that was not fair and right, he hoped some gentleutan would take the trouble to refute him ; for he should derive great consols lion from the proof of hiri fears being ill-founded. The consequence of the numerous failures which lie had described would be a scarcity of trimiey ; that would produce to prices—much lower than at present.—(Hear.)—The lend would then become productive only for the support of the paupers who would press upon it.—(Hear, hear.)—These would be the consequences of carrying such a motion be that of the Honourable Member for York (Mr. Wyri(l) to reduce 20,000,0001. or taxes, and yet there hail been thirty-seven votes in favour of that motion.—(Hear, heal—Amor% them were two, those of the Hon. and Learned Member for Winclielses (Mr. Brougham), and of the Right Hon. Member for K borough (Mr. Tierue3), who, he regretted. leg' . 'sow present. He par. titularly regretted . * th ey gave .—( Hear, hear.)—He hoe, Meth t be incapable of giving borough a vote contrary to what they thought the interest of the country, and that they wire incapable of invad ing public credit.—(Hetr, beer.)—He knew they had, in giving their votes fur a reduction of taxa tion, expressly disclaimed any tuition of pushing it to so greet an extent ; but he could not but regret their votes, because he thought the votes them selves would be remembered when the explanations they hart joined with them were forgotten— (Hear.) He was aware of the risk to which he exposed 111113.- self in commou with oilier Members of that House, of having his meaning perverted, slid his motives misinterpreted.—((pear.)—He had no doubt that he shonld be misrepresented. lie expected to be told, that he was no member of the monied note. rest, that he was regardless of the sufferings o f others, and cured not on whom the weight mud 1 , pressure of taxation fell, as long as the interest of the class to which he belonged was kept up.— (Herr, hear.)—He could riot, however, concur in the justice of such a charge against the monied interest ; he was not aware that they were chargeable with more cruelty or selfishness dim others; and he was much wronged if it was supposed that he was not desirous that taxation should he reduced. He had supported the repeal of the malt tux, slid them°. lion to repeal the salt tax, because he thought that they might be adeantageosily removed. He was a friend to every reduction of tuxes short of that re mission which would lead to infamy and ruin.— (Hear, brag—He did not mean to say that the country, after such a vote, might not at a distant period, us France had done, right itself, and ulti mately feel relieved. But his objection to the nio hen of the Hon. Member fur York was, that it would lead to immediate ruin. —(Hear.)—There were other ennsideretions which attached themselves to this question. Was Otte 110 such thing as nr. (tonal honour? Was there no such thing as national morals, as the mend strength of a 'ration ? After the splendid example which this country had given, after the brilliant exertions we had made, end the high character which the nation had justly attained for its scrupulous maintenance of its honour, and fidelity to its erigagements, was it nothing to seed lice its honour and credit, by violating its faith with the public creditor? He, for one, cuittem pluted notional diatom,* with more than horror; awl he hoped to close his eyes in death rather than see that dry whet' any proposal to violate public fuith should be seriously entertaiued, in order that he toight avoid the coutempletiosi of the miseries which be feared must ensue from such • measure. It was • mistake to suppose that is **ld seuvit the 'Octillion' interest. It would Ilia that, as it would all the interests of the 1 ' the I:::es:iiiitiii:Hue.4.l;adeisibliel"d;liwhasa:lngdi.eaPrite.-D' 111:111: f e l a y .W i ww°lle ire: ha e l t i e l l e y r s e , was erni t e ;4 t heit e h vlsee at o :::- : 146 ; e"116 : 1 ; • eastiltei; • ii erOVliilbsolee all in one Melee ihr dee • cei gM eheae st . eis istin . c icknts tiyu. ie ll m e o liat t ;o hi d y e e n t b be t s be isvee were io r, i ta c t o e n e t e r t y y , L a lieb t r il id im t l lte e ivtareillateiluionnro.f and, e i si ki rreac e6 7.. I ne hei 4%; willsoit . testerielly affecting its 'Proper infertile. Slasher Mk. ester.), however, had referred hi ,e.' - ' Hew elikftiflude to the Colonies, for nisi snit, the Cape of tlfia . II etre for One, eta several 'others, c sabw inekeit i.lky,babyd w y li ch i a e kke h h he lheated (af t. e nt . :: R ef .) iti w eesw a a s s n a : ois t d br oboy f b o reteed of which he need not enter into particulars, and suaseveselter-tertiett • aim might be done away. If in answer he should be fold that the influence of : 144 . 41 " , i r t lie nlial e ea „ A llaa si4lilsie ehehie al al•ther'i the Crown would be weakened by such reductions, p w e,:."hy„ e r he , wasre."l- can 7 . t g eo al i r i a l t il , r , l ,l da le s eat, 1.. he would say that in the present situation of the Gray sad Mr. Bully aid ea *gift. Mr. Selly -a s ci li r ib y " Mr ' country, neither the Crown nor the Gseemment was the pekes higher. Mr. Gray gave Men at the Bi:este:ls' in went of any such influence.-(Hear, hear.)- chime, which ,as against this mooing is mitteesetice of And if the gentlemen opposite knew their own inte- f t elt, s i li M i te i s e a r m : her i T e : a d r a lse be f a t n : urze d lf I : ef it w e l b7 sib : ac he ße.) l 2 ,6, , , f , the d" as 8 , 6* reit, there were mean. by which they. might create therefore, p h ri a c rthf "e to on . ; e°l 7a e ti e sl . h7::::::: 6 % `' for themselves such an ingueuoe es would make them invelnermble, and secure them the confidence a boa lla s ver o .,As e• gr itt el: n : t oo i' a : bi t h e efey lla i i .d ak ereb l4 4 l ‘ . coezfilimoily Itloeurs and esteem of the people of England, which they by the Noble Lord sad others, that she way so merl e . t h e sit present appeared in no degree to pOsseite.-.• (Hear, hear.) effect of foreign mice. is the market of this coast, Mr. D. Beoweg said. that he regretted that no- calculate upon tat aberage of the list la fir SO year:: l' hi " ,,.. thing more had heels obtained than the Resolutions l y ho pt u it eh wa lte meo (M i r s . e A ch .) angsreetatrietasaathaers; butee should th lait be go tt e ,. years must be struck out of the account, oaks. th e y e y e ., of the Noble Lord, because he thought they were not beiteficel to the agricultural interest of the to be misled io their legislation. Too Baltic prier fon century, which was what he had most tit heart, that period had bees regulated by the price is Mak-last ; Sir W. W. WYNN said. he would summit the and if the price were Ms. in Mark-lase„ the merchant is ilie Resolutions of the Noble Lord, although they did Baltic would not sell lower than the Hared/Ise price, as. not go so far as he could wish, donne the cost of transitive. To suppose, therefore, the any calculation could be founded oe the Bettie prices. a. Lord A LTHORIe rose to offer • few words upon wire "sew.a than le take the prices • the • - what had fullest from the Honourable Member for York for the same period, sea apply . ILO t i t: Use same ph " tilidhund (Nlr. J. Smith), respecting the votes its pose. With respect t. the calcalatioe ref the prices is is; support of a motion of the Honourable Member fur depreciated eureeDeY of this coaote•fr the otketwaiew a ti e York on a former evening. When a men gave a T H h o e trosi H rable im M us e 4 me i r 4 ; rec tum Eam ex p was perfect*, omen. vote in that House, he voted for the question as it she paper which he deliver ed in, in, wi d l id iallt re b t ial h wig ' " I was proposed, mod tint for the motives or reasons of which he had received the corrections of with so l i t i r l i e " Dm ' the mover. But his Honourable Friends, to plecessey from she Honourable Member for Egan. le tan whom the Hon. Member had more particularly paper the prim of Ills. ed. shoold he read Its ; Pli s ,book' alluded, in explaining the grounds of their vole on he resS A I L L I i t weeeeS that he er z ., ",: .I...sib 0 * %bole the occasion in question, expressly disclaimed the ta c rti ,,, 7 ,„„. „ lied .. e, legislate f u : ' , l 2 I" ! 4"1 41 laa i notion of going to the extent of the speech of the W e mig ht by t axa ti on an d regu l at i on preel4 l ent earn Hon. Member for York. Aud on that ground he (Lord A.) thought it extremely hard that they soil,, being h iC u r° t w w u he e n zce y p o o t e yuon i ut c n orn s oh u fa e c die h tu on a low n t y d h p e o s i : n i p e e r h r ti: e r theit e t : :tn i l i v eina: should be charged in their absence with any Mien lion of assailing public credit. The vote which market-over ge could not agree in the satisfaction expressed by they gave was merely fur the motion, that so immediate ma extensive redectioa sof taxatioss was the moot effectual means agrieulteral distrait.. the Right lion. Secretary at the fulness of th e E x • of relieving the it.. He (Lord A.) shoolil kismet/ have voted for the motion if it had been made at nay chequer, or the bettered condition of the lehouter, other time. He opposed it solely because it was as interne. He thought that if we *Mitred to the stenderti es Aiwa of the astiuereed debate. He Molested that neither his fixed by the Bill of 1819, we wese but in the c ure _ mencement cf a great change, both comm erc i a l an d Hoe. aed Learned Friend (Mr.lbourbans) nor his Right Has. political, ail armlet the effects of that ch ange ac a F t rien ill a d od (M iw r it . T ab ie e me cu y) rg w e ss w ro hi w ch p bad resett bee t, l b . li n t a lizcz ass lel 4 17 . s ai it without offering some observatiee. The Hoe. Member said had Ise means of protection, or of seeing how far we their rote would In remembered when their speedos weft oheeld come out of it; but the agricsliaralisis furrows • but she @Me observation surely woad/ hold I were safe so far es the present Corn Btll could wri the opera; of the Hoe. Member who made the wile& Sect them, and there he would entreat the Have Mr. J.SMITH explained. Ho had expressly mmeielad to leave them till the great change was concluded. the Moo. Members to whom head landed of sepeessise the ekes of the Hoe. m em b er fur York. but said h, was For in the midst of this state of things the 14011111 awry for the vote they had gives, M the tridental's' might should be cautious not to excite the fury of a st"rm, not always accompany the reculkctiou of the vote. . which it would sot be easier to excite then difficult Mr. CH A LON ER said, the Homerahle Member be Mid. to oppose. It was said that the currency eat me bunt had himself 'petard the ehteratisse he had mile ie an established measure, the operation of which was the course of his speech, of the facility with whit* a Mama her e y that Hew, might be misrepresented a , to s h ad h e finished; but he contended that the toentry woe had amid. tie (Mr. C.) at by his Howounble Cidlsoesse now in the midst of the operations of that iniquiloi.s (Mr. Wyvill) when he m ade th e m otio n is question, **d em measure which was working io every shape o f die, mem be r ed-pee/eras well his baying said that he did not WWI gutted robbery from one end of the kingdom to to propose that can all the amount of tio redskin* to ha . , . i . ture toff -(Hear, hear, hear.)-Se far Item this made I. wows% but d i nt ie his °pane Utile short of that (I bee. amouatcoalit rive imweil.ste lobelia the aren't ankh the iCI tinge uff cexbffieled. there use one part ca nnon,. Bat be did Dot wish the vole to be coupled with surely untoacbed, which it Ministers did continue theism.. He (Mr. C.) had thought it proper to say thus ' lb dowered. it would exhibit an utter contempt of much to iilefewire of hie Hun. Colleague in his abeaser. e v ery print iple of justice-he meant the reduclieu Mr. PHILLIPS said he had ruled fur she "" 4.4 is 'P K ' of all pensions-(Hear. hear, hear)-and waterier. tioe,,bet had irripreraly stated in dotage°, that he cinoW oat _,_ , k e l p re t ee ti ng soma any reduelioe of taxes which woad 1 Were suers.. be smea r to continue to profit Sty it ? affect the 'while emitter. With respect to the observatioa I who were patties to the Act of 1797 Win Odle Hoe. Member fee Essex(Mr. Writes) cif the &mg. not so increase in the value of currency ea prices quoted to .lee Committee aloft year being takelalea ; i nsicose o f a ll L ases , pens i ons , so d m i me , is la the eurreuey of this coltoclithe Mon. Member would m• i the amount of the increase? This increase is the collect that last year we had a metallic currency the same as at pcapat..-(Hear.)-Hs thought the biol. re , 00 , 11 ., I value of the currency was to the amouat of betwees duties ~,,,,p re" ,e 4 , i s t h e tepee s / sl oe of free si as hi g h est 30 and 50 per cent. and if the Ministers did hot peioes thaw it was probable mold be °Wised, or thew wee make a veductiori in salaries and pensions to that cousialatit with the interests of the p eop l e o f ibi s aosmry, amount, they would leave en the character of the and men of the agriculturists themselves. The whole collate, a vile stain. With regard to the present t e sk s ie leta reimk ed oar mew laws was founded on the desire of high Meaderes m it was calculated in so dupe to satisfy the country, he earnestly implored of the House out rents sad high mires, and was iherefure defective sad mu.. ~ The agr iculturists complaised of one another, that they bad sot paid sofecient attention to their owe to permit the Report to be brought up. ittlemtol hat they (ergot that the present Cara Bill. of The Marquis of Loenoetieatte said, he hoped which they sow complain es mach, wee their owe measure. the Hon. Member who had just sat down would He thought it was one of the greatest artesian to sup ple* that t h e reesee p i l ee o f re d, priest , we , the put attribute it to want of respect if he forbore to ems* of the loosest disines. Na mete flat em the 'follow him through a greet pert of his argument. prices is Prance, and all over Europe, had bees felt either which did not naturally affect the present questiou. „....lant the enigma) . _...../ drove eats set of Pease,, or also He had called upon the Ministers to seopend all 7 i r liki ena eo Pi s i ii r,, - „, ---- „r y a rr a g e ts ' is aa re : ras s i i r os w itil exPerl itai e. w eed a , measures until lie had e co i n d v es er l ted ida t i l l i d e ar li d ou o se f : s o lu h e is . sii iiiiiviiiiiiii o f gam * .„, impsee ,„„ isrosgb „, Europe opinion respecting her than that of Eaglsod. He had so doubt that price, might which, though lie had listened to the Hon. Meru. be forced up much higher, if importance from Ireland was bet's speech with the utmost anxiety, he had oat excluded. HO men those kip prices be retained f By uo been able to learn what that staadard way ; whether visease . 111411611 at present took Inge quantities of amati. colt). paper, or the simple unit. He (Lord Lou fecturessed catmint produce to retara. If the imporiadoe - to enter his protest aga i ns t Sh e deader') of grails were stopped, the demand for those would cease.- The wages of she maeufarturers here must be raised with the price of peovimierie, end the rest of the manaketures would t i a n l ig ei i i n t ie le r i s r pe d ne ec d lam w a it t l i s on hi e s f d t ry he a li f r g in u . m G en e t n i tierm on po u t bz be such as to render them unable to compete with heeled cal economy. When the Hon. Gentleman talked of maiiefaciores. The workmen would theu he thrown out of employ-ths want of trade would cause • aiminutios of the o f those attempts to create persieus ut one demand for produce, and what would theu become of the agri. !billet WS ? Gentlenieu deeeiveil theeteeives if they supclton ; for the Hone. rosions coming down, it was iti truth nothing pose d instead of establishing coley that manufactures and commerce we re st pres en t in h ig h pro. was aware that the general scale of o ffi ces to d *peony. They are only sow just recovering from that pressure pensions, so far from being increased sioce seeder which agriculture is labouriag. They had fur a loaf time been forted to see their prolia fallen of, their capita y reduced.lrish es. visitor; and it was oily by low wages, supported by else neatly in the law vetoes of provisions , that they were sow enabled to go reduced one half , and the Scotch .from i.,_ t b h i e elterotiou of the curpretn;cyo,owLeirset cbownsidbeei,:ea ea. It pas moil that indirect taxation pressed harder on land mine propotien ; and the o ffi ces. on ter ti "-- Mae mataaufactum, sad reliance tektite duties io protect it. creased, were also considerably reduced-- " g We ' Bat he believed if the details were loaned into, theleestritil tested his utter ' bl' ide would be found to he the tart. He hal heard so proposition ionolln _ Ina 'my to form seq . ' abstract standard of value to which the a. on this subject to which he could give his cordial assist, hot . ided ff the Member would refer them that of the Honourable Member for Portarlingtoe. He . thought the whole of the proses. system bad, aid that the be business of the country was not to *tiled ea longer it ht ori, the more the r ous e r , would suffer from still till the House understood the Hon. Member. its effects, he n ects, and t more would they appreciate the mood. H e ii,, - ,turd th e a n d he hoped the pub. g gloomy notiotus which the Hou. ness of the principles on which the doctrines of the 11000111. Member for Essex seemed to esiteitairi, because hit able Member for Purtsrlintloar (Mr. Ricardo) were founded. Mr. SYKES having ruled in favour of the motion of the Horrourshie Member for York, that an immediate and large app He e r co e l i so ice k i e ved d u t p he to p b r y ese th n e t reduction of taxation was the best eseaos of relieving the give no adequate protection. Now looking at it so a sgriceliure of the canary, viedicated himself from doe charge of sinning at a rrthictiors of the dividends. He be. a reo c r u u l t t e ur w al ou in l; could lie grown abroad, the Committee had ie 'freed them was no was is that HOUSC who harboured any protection as it respected the price et which corn torus from our Course's in all the ports of Europe. i.ka of that sort. With respect so the came of the distress, be could nut think it arose from a superabeadsece of pro. and they proved, that spread as it was over all Eis. dace, bat (rpm the state of the currency in which the pre• rope, in some parts without opportunity of 'coding dace was brought to market.-(Hear.)-He thought with the it so distant markets, the greatest variety of prices Hon. Means r for Gilmour' (Mr. Atwood), that the alters. esis ,t edthoughthe Hon. Members " I Essex and ties of the currency was the man tame of all the confosioe. ' His ewe knowledge sod re f ormat* led him to agree with the Hors. Member who spoke lase, Hat she maaefacturisr the market at • state of depression was the price and commercial interests were not mum douriebiag Ilse the against which protection was to be had. But agricelocal interest. the Committee had looked to the general foe' Ur. RICARDO said. the principles ow whirls his opleiees age price, te which the duty being added, and the am the subjoin before the House were (waded had aleuady 1 heal an hilly explained, that he should mit then occupy the fair mercantile profit, making together 270. err time el the Howe* epos that subject. He was, however as. quarter. the Committee were unshed, 1101 that it toteltY *aldose to vindicate himself from the asinseamn:ime would prevent foreign cure coming it), but that it of the Hue. Member for Ewa. Me had asisievelona the would ~.. pretreat it coming het foe a market. This MM. Member to say th a t the prices efosee i• Hsahargb fi nal measure. for rte . iii nwimiusi. adr pap er currency , p o d be em e a t o ty did Minty is die present state of the corn marke t of WI bee. takes is the calealatireas of the Committee, to all -1/1 " I to b° asbaidered as a 8 INA that, la sash% se, the Homeatable Member was le Europe, the duties now etc.-emery would be toebleb I