The British Press; or, Morning Literary Advertiser. — London, England, 1822-04-26 00:00:00

;am.. UM I 1 . ... 1 61 itr i *ll oow published —nor were knowledge unit tonfined to the upper cl asses or th e higher*S L' lons. A friend of his going throuilli (tit* thund the Quarte r l y J ourna l o f Seriviitt. de* ~ um bcc..46c . t be' • Enircloymetioa in. tfie lie .* an inferior •tradesaisn. Passing through Oslo .....g.hcA. j...a115x...h.,-.4 . . 1€!&.....41» • toe/ -..lwkge soil= **/41111itir - rerrlFlCifireh winks were not taken there, moire' they wire' pertiCularly ordered. Such wee thrtillitilie state Of-tigiiiiwitfiiin . iii - tho frighei viol' ,ester charm* aware of the . to educe euaisple of by the tin. 4 of diffus bed' been en phis was set , .her been laid works et a low neeiced Hume' s fa, end others Ibliihod _ . in Gd. 1 ihlIT we . trilile hail passed ii mooledge—. of the parties r the, works, publication's con of the (lay. 411 biro Societies. and spent were four sheet that went on will' generally the to the stele moved for time sgo, moonier "lie , were in sold yearly , 110111840410.-7,000,000 ones—and 'ell her two frets from Neer. la )ablished in Eng.. 35 in 1821. ;periods pirb last 91. 3 in in 1821. 14 ; 111 1, 1 70 0 9 9; 14 A. Nein* jo the Sri :6. Total tlB4;—in. r published itetnertit on to cou'ider hod peon _ adequately to re .. grfailat • this, increase in the knowledge and in ,,tellsgeace •• of -the people of all chases. He °"411V1 /tale hfoodi r io paasiog that it was not Duty neemsery, for Parliament to inquire if it did rgilly rep/toot the increased wealth and intelli tor,te trf ., 44goottettry, bet it ought to keep pace with the It of society. He would state it .$4 • tae irnAshich could not be controverted, itmt no government ceuldl continue which was oot . 41 11 (44 iR,. l Ole aisle -and.condition of the peoplii ogee wborg .11.4sitti to preside. Any governmeul . Fit :tipL mut girt iu coneordaace with the hasatedgt 21 ..thi rtin tsi th e k g ed whi ch em d r is i t: l l o d g, o n l ot th ac e coninsb. or : - risat, t weir sn evident thet•it , occopy the time of the that another and a very ined wt thin the walls of by the molt liberal. . service of the Crown— freedom and the morass Right Hon. GesiliJ ire vise,. which was iii that the increased is.; a reason for contineing beet.)—The piece wad timid. What an nr prnportien as the pen- House -were to become 'e required to be more mare corrupt—end enlightened, the Go • the less capable . of altogether so absurd, og,Da it could utrkghusg. , r thepropoeition, a Ormsod riotalli4 of the PeOple: *Would' ' ‘lue of monarchy, and the dissolution of •the to Coutoder what the and in considering this struck by the remark of if the defects of the re. so good, that there is country who is caPahle' . a proper "ray. who, Member or other." caution of the cam had, some semblance. . statement. .4o far wan it truth, that there muatbe. et - . persons,perfegtly fsee".erho,. Ytill..hett.b? voter APP l o.*.ish4 to ,hare r volt. *Mt sicre , perrecily cspikiplejskgaercierult thefiroctimi of riesling tiserubersvAl:lispets ;wait the broad , fact t i ed, - to besporitAgt Oat bee' that * the,tnajority. . tir House wets . returned 4 8,000 electags.-.- • . tigas i Ste : m.44logs utter6,at aar with the ,IfYst"fil. trAPPrlttoCe ,mall knowledge ref.tht peo- Ate...! terge; but if,%key:wese-so ir l iMo Maisie, it 1..04. bf -sclii Olt. o.4kik.t4 440'4 milwOnclrat, sgs )a *otir!lcdge arid. mdeabiiiist * Aret§telalf -el re-' .. .root right: less krodusOly. 0P4871444, eltailet the, *guy • jui 4 hero igg utmost AP itgl f l ake t al. Gispepris-. tlollmse repremoristgomotelkanurelakcontied-to:k .. +VI 'Man . poesioq gef i lte „wop,le. n dhle.rdist.uot orFr this of tilt wittOlithliratti hol.'o vim sietaissais ;degree. so ta desanlifilt the voAes.,in,egs, queer ! tit). fkr* Avrce,446l4.**.4.9r#Presohiefi, to_ tot found *intim! ._ l l#l,febtit, .401414 514 treii• h*olotritoit tif•tha o .litiVistrrileriontid.tksbosoufac- , smegys'neeg eusisleg,to visto.fqr the enmity Members. * the +bore &burliest. was assail j. oui iii 658 mem- KS: 4 1 M 4 .lft No MP. ate, ildi . A 44 .tu this. that . . ~ . . conni •• yq e 4 :iv expetiliye thet h sres,i gfposible is ' eithout the orierifire of a Sery 41 west perriion . f etuir. The electors of Devon- Agri, fur inhfacti • were to be brought to the poll fe , :fb titles do each side of thet'S'iiiitry to Exfter. Was it probable that gentlemen would often incur Abwitilittmai /mom et such eoutwite-?- -1111#4iii.. ',sequclice . was, that a compromise was generally made, lud the two parties beiog both represented, {haunter of the members neutralized each other, leir4ng else rmijority in the proportion of six to one Oith the Other me-sabers. Another great charge had. crept in by the gieat proportion of the landed gentry • having beencalled iiptotheHliiirseofLords. Mr. Pitt, with prorfigsl profusion, lied bestowed Peerages on the bulk of the property in the Lower House, so that tee country gentlemen of the nest degree of , ivealth were Leos ohle to bold the contest. .He was disposed to think the withdrawing those who-had the greatest stake in the country from that House we. much to be regretted, and that if persclos of the greatest property only were entlileil to sit, their ae pbaiiktions being expos e d to poblic ceersuse, would be ifound to accord more with the views sod opi . silos of the people out of doors; and that even if They were appointed for lifetbeqatrestiment would • 4 stitl be s wire toteiable Goveituiteut. 'lf it were practicable to abolisri the Hattie of Commons alto gether. and manage all their: proceedings by the [fosse of Peery, he qiii;stioheel-if the Li , rda would ' molt rib' to *tire popirfar than the House of otpteiptria'siiCore colistiiio:4ltelnunded thii opinion fiiitbe "sippo*itiou thospersoos having a large stake m the country wereless likely to propose measures as absurd and disgusting tolhe whole people. He thought the case of the Queen proved that there : "yeert symptoms of so ipelisetiou . iii that body to ipposider the wishes of the people, which he had sewer seen masifested in that House. He came next to consider the state of the representation of the great %owns . where there might be a few Persons of hidepgridesit pray of thiriking, hot the grepar nunitier were so swayed, that the influeuce of such persons waitnothing among them. Again, the rights of elections had been so pared and limited by decision% of different Committees of the HOuse, that Plymouth, which it the restoratiou'of Chirtirs 11. coutsiord '3OO .votes out of • a papal * . goo of MOO ruhabitairie, now had only 900 voters out of • population of 16,000. Thecondrtion of the video of 'Bath add Cambridge were other instances orths minion' b 7 ;hick greet team/ were to be ' a*iikTred in course ()fume out of their representation. But the most prolific source of evil lay in the *taller botonghs and Nernst of those:44o.in Eng land only, regorged 280 Members, nii actual Maio titY +ir 'w - i.to!lse, with fres than • 5,000 votes— _llmif theist coptaiuiug lest than 9,oooiiihsbitauts. It was well knows that the abuses of these boroughs were of the grossest, kind. Corruption hod bribery to the greatest extent prevailed in these borobghs, especially in Cornwall. Were he to go tato details, he could read letters which would shew in what manner corruption was practised in there, and that the returns were made by money only. This fact, however, was not oily well known but acknowledged. It was admitted that of forty-two Cornwalll boroughs. only five were represented by natives of the county. This was stated by eh.. Prime Mister as a reason why they did not need alteration ; this was quoted as a proof of the ex cellent elasticity of the Constitution, that the old boroughs could be made to represent the• new riser csutile interests. Goad God ! was this theri the wry to effect represoutation ? Ouly consider what ,this practice wise; r ond to what consequences it ,must lead. 111.,11.egen with perjury, and the .violation of elliribiemaleeen laws decreed by Par liament to prohibit the payment of money for elec. buns ' • it •• led to draiikeuness and Avery *bongos. lion. Bid witb this vielaiten of law. and contempt of morals. did it produce representation ? When the Member reached that Heise, the money being paid. it reef indifferent to the elector whether he voted . as a Whig or Tory, as an advocate of freedom or slavery, for the Dome of-Brunswick or the House Of Stuart. The Member code into possession of that limpet dangerous possession, however , without re , eponsibilit,y; he became the representative. not of the great body of the people, but of the mercantile house with which he was connected. He rentecn • bered one of- those members, who dreaded the Ilistice which he thought would be taken of his ow, confessing to him that it ems a most urifurtueitd business, and thatrhe (the derelict member) would never have sought * seat io the House, only he wad induced to do so by the other partners of the house. This was a sort of member not desirable company for that House. His object must be to obtain ad vantages of Government—whether infamous ones or not lie could riot nay—but certainly the sole view in. that cape must be the interest of the firm. Dur ing the war there were many excellent things to • be given away, Oue member made by a single license to the West Indies 15,1001. It became natural for such persorts. to wish to conciliate the favour, and fix the attention of Government upon them; but they . would be far from represeuting the people or the usaaufacturingelosseo to which they belonged. There were nut marry olio would ley out their money on a small borough for the mere pleasure of being constantly in a minority. A greater number would be inclined to co-operate with the Govern ment,and Secure their private interest—besides, there was the hope and desire of olsiaining the pattenage of the borough ; but not. only so, there were among the evils of ilia system the employment of the agents. the middle men, the h o o g ry attorneys, who carried on the traffic, and. •perfurnted the disgraceful office of handing aver the ilamoury, so. as to elude the law. Then, fur a small {sum of money in a Government borough, a Mem-• .her go v t the•distribirtien of alla_the.borough of fi ces - .010. The -GOtriunent had to give away. One of' thin boroughs. which via represented by the 'Chaticrltrit. of the Exchequer, was SO ' fall of _offices, that it woe perfectly astonishing . to are the list of pertrus who . held posts in the packet, "eerie; rind. other offices beloriguig to that ho .rtrytigli. 'ln such eases it was impossible for any iiidillseriderit perirdit• to hope th it his vine and ea isople.toold Ins:v'e the smallest weight in the elec tion. •Ssich bease 'the state of.the representation, 05td.1.5 absolutely at , variance . with the slate of the:pe6Ple, it, must follow- that the ebtipai 'evert to he reineelied. .• It' had '.beet mit wittily Isy . Mr, %I'iredisrial;" that those "rho cfled'out'ior R. form on accousit of the defective stole of the refire isioitanou, ',arc like the MAN ia Ihe Speciatgr, who . r had every symptom of the goat eicept that.be felt no pain. All oignions of that tind, howeviki. were in the teeth of that sound doctrine .in Bace....that estrogen, instead of ash shifts ap.d expedients, ought to consider of dangers which are to come, and then they might be able to put them still far off. • ' There was not even this spree left for the date., gees. of bad representation. They had the prows{ of the Government with ell the other symptoms. The country was suffering from causes *lnch had arisen out of inadequate representation. It Reform could give no immediate remedy ' for evils now existing, it would furnish security fur good government in future. In examining the evils of representation. it was to be observed list the House might possibly go on in perfectly repre senting the people, and yet the discrepancy not be detected, or the whole consequences of the eta detected. The people might be eager for war, and it would be the interest of a corrupt. Go vernment and a complying Parliament to be foe war also; there might, by accident, be iii economical Minister to place.—the Parliament would have no difficulty in agreeing with him; the people might wish for the reform of the laws, and there might be nothing in the subject - to which a corrupt Par liament would object. But other cases would same, or later arise when the most credulous would be convinced, and requite no further experience to eteinplify the -evils of the system.—(Here the Noble Lord took a brief review of the motor of Mr. Pitt in 1785, •and of the argarnents he afterwards used on Mr. Flood*, motion for Reform in 4790, to evade his early deelarations.)—Mr. Pot was right in his way. , He ceetaiirly had the majority of the property and the people of influence for him ,in the war of Mi. - They were frightened sod alarmed at thee tii44.l.olwent willingly intuit. At a later period, whey tbi - war had hefted two or thiett years, there was "disposition to return to peace, slid the peace of Amiens for a time satisfied the country. They entered a fresh war, which went on without the growing discrepancy of the representation being discovered, 0 so felt as to induce any call for Refbrus. He ineatiooed this, because there was • dieposition in the people (whatever might he urged to the contrary by those who held the people to he subject to the designs of agitators) which was opposed lo tumult. There was a d..positiuu in rayon; of any Government put over them which continued..eseept,the evils of it become intolerable; nor could the people be induced to take even the necesseey owitions against the probable loss of their liberdis; lihd reat must be the evils of the Govern meat before, t people could be brought to oppose them. :A prop of this lay in the eonduct of the House upon the Walcheren expedition in 1809; an ex peditiowes signal for fsllahy sod imbecility as any that ever left the country. There was soaring to allege either for the original or for the catmint's-- it stood every way condemned. The phonier, had the 'matt ample means at their disposal, and yet the 'execution was most disgraceful sod ruinous. The men who were sent mit might ask, in the language of the children of Israel," Were there not graves enough iii Egypt, that ye have brought es oat to die in this 'orange place ?" And yet thisexpedition, so full of cola. mity and disgrace. 'the House was not contest to refrain from reprobating, it actually passed a formal , ettlogium on it, which was entered on the Journals or the House. This fact, so strong and striking, convinced many of the necessity of Reform 11 110 Could never he brought to believe it - before. when they pew the praise, of Parliament following an act upon which the country was calling deed' the IWIII. viest punishment. • The planner of that expedition was now the Chief Minister in the Howse, and' tjie General who commanded it had received one. of the most aplesudid rewerdsof the Crown. The gene ral pooulerity of the Spanish war which followed, with the hope of reducing the Sovereign wise enta then domineering in Europe, e n abled Ministers to 'evil all the defects of that mischievoui achieve. Went. The confidence of the people was taken advantage of in the fullest manner. Every possible abuse crept in—every advantage . was taken to increase the burdens 011ie people. It was not till after the conclusion of tfltr Utak • . • Ole Sense of the country was restored. gum. too then fell between On parties—whether there should be a lane expensive military governuseot or at cheap civil one. It was quite plain what the de teem must have been, hid the interests of the peo. pie been consulted. It • was e vid en t th a t if the Uouse really represented the people, they must have determined for the champ civil government, and if they did not represent them, the question would be divided in direct opposition to the wishes of the people. This question must be considered as the experiisenswom erweis on the subject of re preseutation. It was then decided what was the 'notion of the representetion in respect to the public interests. It was decided against the reptesen- Wiwi of that House. They divided in favour • of retaining satiety-nine thousand troops with all the expensive establishments appertaining. These votes did not comprehend the majority of the county Members whom he had described as more directly representing the independent portion of the people. They divided three to two against the military establishments, while the majorty of the whole House divided three' to two' in support of the proposal of Ministers. Those establishments led edittributed in a very full degree to the suffer irtwisilder. which the. country at present groaned. [W.liordship proceeded to state some curious par. washer respecting tbe•votet given by county and 'other Members, which he had collected from re :iiserlai niiiefe by Lord Milton, and a book recently ,poblished. called Tie klecturs' neworashropteer.] ,Has Noble Friend, he believed, in his calculation, tad: put down from his knowledge of die House, -sod- his tecollecnon of the different Memlprii, and the side which they generally took. the atwitter in 'ilhich they hid ;toted. He (i,ord J. Russell) telt jug from the book to wOieh he had alluded the :votes of the several Members, had put down as Ministend all those who had not voted fur reduc tion in the establishments and expenditure of the Gore'nitnent; end ss'Opposition Members all those who had .vinctL for apy three popular measures, atliiviltill they might ,have generally voted with the Ministers. He thought that a toterably for test; for no men could deny that the questions in which the people 'took th6le/gest interest ,z were tl?e hest crsteduli or th * Odegree in which the imtes of that House esteemed the sentiments of the nation; and Ittihot done wore two subjects whsiO heel arisen' dot- ...(04,1 3 41 ordeal :But there was it still ream ..)o Abe lower orders; there were fee km Asgire.ef stimulus which had been given I ihOftan by Ore Lencestenan orhools, the ee ; 1010 hoidiseen most laudably followed b toms' schools. But besides those modes lb); knowledge 4t it cheap rate, there had' eiliv iu operation. Some yeses ego's phi ~$P foot, 'mid 1,000,0001. had altogether omit gyr it, for publishing standard works Clarice. *moue these works he had no'icei .. o.istteg. Ojos, the Encyclopedia. Sr , 31, 00' wise insportence;" they were publish( t ire s/stims, which were brought out either i qv /, .itimei,but fair-to say th at thii I •pippiiim4bt of those Acts which 4 . )lAR,ros the mippression of - kiwi. ...aitheugli it was an instruction of A :the kraal' employed in vending th ... ' e . they were note° deal in soy publics! , A . nrtl P r e Peilbeal controversies of .. 1 1 0.; greet sues to knowledge I ,iireen lb the Bible sod Christian 'relict i or Ahom 900.0001. had been collected i the Bible. Society. Of tracts there 1 • .. ono distributed uonually. He *bold inCrelPe of politicsl knowledge aria • !Inuillllllpidity, and hoer senoesly and lien .pri r ioi te of the country was called to t, i .:41149. 1 1r5Mt. of the day.. He had in t . 0 11 1 !OW 01 6 ledloseper - IlltilliDps some ti 4f / 1 .:fti poi;.us* out in the nit .40 ed.' . Lit it . appeared that 'there ngjaitqr alone 0,000,000 newspapers a —,11.00,00041ai1y Leaden uewspapevo-1 t49.11!7 ; 'l)!Pers—lit,oofl,ooo of weekly c fitif-fsht . tseye mad e ar of publications of 1 4 - 111$te days a wytk. He,„hild oilier I .... ..,,fpc•• ?,,, t e .: o l l ;iirt . ee pai t ie h , e s same t'vij iere' 51 hewsp.peis pobli.hii : . . -70,06 there weft 62--and ISZ ,Jr 416d-tete - 1/:ere id the sense per ; . . .-iiielirst •Puthe second./ ; the last 400011 is 17911 . : 9 in 1790 ; and 56 I ,than 414 y papers.. 1 7 0 14 9; 1790, I A. . rWOrfa . three days a week, is 1791 .4, ;Ol t ,' VOWS published once a week 91 & latter,lo. Papers published tr , 3 . .4 1 '1 4 5ica. former period. mine ; latter, 4 ~.you . 4stipee rnod. 114; far the latter. i • *mile ne. o! oat double the number I i • Ye!" ttp.,, , iiitying completed the vitae . e part at the !object, he next came tc . *twit Parlimmetit, and how far it hi Power and knowledge so as adrquat ..ei,a3g i ,eggar mimic general wept • lead 1 0 ruivf..,Tiiaject r iwtsty. 09914 411 . 0 fie or, t ag *. if Staling it. bat that oreatetieory rues rentintsinee I;l9Mrip .11 had been ssid I 4itinfyd Itlinister ever in the set one wleplnas ffiendlv to Gerd, rr(liber, Av oe skerpersoi'd by this 1 *;io .4 _.rjrri qf . Ointtu re dotter , Ogling lair/bolted, the titutorieg of the people was a i til e 01rwet+(}1,esr,. hear, het 44,1144 ..9.n0 other gruuli go Tenn W 9 sat, that iii pr. vie stA rot I•sags. the H a Iptge: fetollll . *lrObey were 1 nest, they were %D become She more tine persle Wetting ei i6ntnent ought, tn 4 Made i n e g insproiiier: Tbie'was i tany Gove*Waiit sdi „pi tl)ey te . l9)loW up . .. ...• 4.9 p so adverse to the al A( ake tbem'eloolpt of the - tole iimpie them to beention; for tl • ( 49een4,01.tv• He came neat 'Pate of Par igesept ..01; and f iie j‘ct; he bad, Ipeei filen era • lodestone,. isbp s; groking of t uliti•o„ seest.'" , et it is s lljr• free agent in the eon ks , exercising ,the right •in i not te voti fur: some i 4sidelring_ rtsst general . cal ititentstor, hi i ..memt ' lieve In. it truth for go. ttitli . 4,.statem ,fines, now reselyWinsite troth, et, least, one mullion of: persons ...... . • •... • 4 • . 't „~ . 14 M -,:• ( • • 4%. \ v • • % *. \,, .. '. &W it: . 'TAey were obliged in the first place to b g b it r oe ; uvgerhy and,. r: PP : r f c t e e ise r esn a t l ail l .f , e t lli teka oulori ris" 4: 4 t g o w s h P s i l e:r e h u tt re th o e f t y he th m s e ou they were in dauger of losing their 611 ect, be. cerise .pahlse . -wilissisto was gessepolly oppmeel to them, and n measure could be carried into exert'. tion until it had passed thronh that Home, where they weir acr.oolortatly iteble to defeat loom the in fluence atheist opinion abets otrowgly expressed. Thus it had happened in more than one instance, that after all.'the pains bestowed in securing the support of those who were tee be privately cam/tined, they had been catalpelleid to change the almoners which they had brought before Parliansint. He believed it would' be far better (Pi Ministers that they should alter their course. in Ifit. &ft ioratiee, than encounter . the diwgraCe ' of • being cow., polled to .do so after every extrinse kg been • swede is win to wane its adoperon spinal the wishes of the people. k 'hiking 'instance of ti,, sort of conduct felted upent Atiniltibis ley the pie.. sent . ' , Tate" had occurred ai the clitatiekegment of the present Sestina. It•teas 1411 known that 'aloft the Station ,cousonertred, bepvy eptuplaints wen: heard from the gentlemen chiefly Interested ti.l • •landed property, that the wovertitneet was re ..t unwisely arhoiniteered, !keener *whin, had beets dune or amtu attempted towards .the relief of t'ie landed interest. What was the cohdoit punned ...by ALUMS= lis Celllll44ll4teelt of those complaints ? Had they'endetroored to :irottetliate the landed pre , dtrietiors, to retrieie th loss of their good opinion and support, by the 'introduction of any pone. tar lateamire calculated to allay their appre hensions' and to alleviate their &Armes ? N 9! but they went to chat was siallefl the Greif. tulle Party—(Henr, and laughter)....that party, at the bead of which was Lord Grenville, a person officw w .l l .l ) , o ie,: s htie e ,ri, g rok r ap e llni a roi, t riwo il falcat e , iledsidig : Letiied na e c x s, e, ti t il e p t i t e)n . ix i i v ri e t,ep ( rw ln uienbe h rice t ie i c e , a ti l makff r eo ec eu r h.t eh oi e , h a ßos e r : d el . Lord Grenville having sonic time since declared his intention of retiring from public buniursa, [has deprived of Its head, the party no longer pot.. greased any considerations: Hr rid not mean to deny ;l ‘ iorthlt might have r ottiLl Some degree of id fluenie remaining somewhere;. but it did so hap:.. pen that by the people of the country at large they were, us a party, held in _derision said abhorrence.. --(Hear, hear, hear.)—fvery clan and limey.. (fon of persons, whaieler• their politico! feeliogs: . might be—whoever rhymed the Torso.—who . *her lißaided the Whigs—whoever vilsfied the rub. cal reformer*, was alwayg sire to couple his ce9- . Mu l es with 'sortie vituperation of the Grenville party. —(Chee , s and Irugliter.)--.4 tid ; yet all .at otmers levy en muse had been , teade.of that patty, and • every brooch of its , genaetriect hed s been enrolled in the ',nettle.* 'Was • thertveteiveou Id • ook, any diipo- ' intim' in the people at large to consider their knit.- ti.m as in addition elf Arc egth to the Governmeet ? I Nat by any meats. 11 gral ' in that House, it:d there alone, where ther be iOprintentyl a certain num ber of boroughs, thett erldiguo Wes felt.—(Hear.) II was a yule of our ancestors. that thaw Member* .of that Noose who obtained office , should rett r.l to their constituents, in order that they might exec- cise their dircretieti as to the chntinoance of then confitleact, and the trust epix had previourly re poses! in theut. Persona ut, sprh ,circerastoores were subject to exstnination by their coostitueolns touching the inducements to accept of .ofim sod the conditions of the eugagasnents into which they might have entered. It might be asked, fur iortance,,arbeiker . they hail dialoged their opinions es the subject of thermic tax l—(ateess and lauglater).--ohetlyer they had done any thiug for the Catholics of Iretaa4l....(liesr, hen)-.lather, - among other stipulaitorro, they hied made airy is filltOttrOf • b,000,000 of their fellowssehlects, whom claim• they lord • hitherto considered sufficieet to lewp them aloof from Age. except ipnv the ear:idiom) of their beteg coureded?--(Chews.) —lle did sot know how some of the G. utlemen opposite might have bees prepared to answer sueb question., nor whet. otiebl bate been the effect of their answers upon their Itori stilltinti, !floe (Cited J. R.) were a cutialituetit of theirs,. hr youth . never @grid ' rostributi by his vote to their rehire, unless they bad atipoloted for the concession of those chime, and with some peewees of sordemi.—(Hear, hest.)—Bat, is Ihe present use, those rpleoliees were Steer put; thearlike tlensie bad retained their seatsi.up eptine•iinity bed toes afforded to the people, ea ke thelettnttatit.n Were oirtt i have been, of saying wbeither l tddriesidered these Gentle men asp longer worllg of R R tf. Wolideure. Two of throe Gentlemee still algeat:4ll eat tile Represeolative' of Buckingham in thstit . uOl ii hi could not critter l e r them as the real Reientative r k• lint only as nemeneradere in the disguise of Ripseritativt . ell.—(Hrar 9 and laugitter.)— There was another Itrionteot ;which he had no., yet touched on, which wriahlial ipbeilitlY ill favour of Reforni ; wkie, was the pest aelhority of them by aloft it hsd beteuetere been impperted. Lord Clareellen had expremed his aptalen that soma alteratin• might with propriety be set..ptee is bet ter times. • Mr. Locke had given the same (minims. bore Blacksleee, Loot Chatham, ktr. Pot, and Mr. Foe had sit aiteehled &Beat ; and it would only he to the tie Nome to repeat their several opiaiuns.• Hem thee they had Ch readmit, the mold revered of 'Rory slalieshaen ; IliaCka, Its must liberal of Whig philosophies • Blackstone, the Sect I dof nenstoolienol lawyers ; ' Chatham, it. hoiden d( practical ministers ; Pitt, the treat chicle and leader of one party; and Pus, the object tf off, ri inn nod e:leem 'o •nuiltir. Such a combination of sp'endni names seemed 1.. his mind ist • earry with At s e. icht of authority ,n /scour of that cattle watch they had all supported, that was seareely to he resisted It seemed to hole that the united opinions of sock men were to be look ed up to as preceeleole t they took sway all the rage grdaess of Innovation from any charge which they evenebieed to recomnseted. He knew of no anc.,nemex no tiff Other side het those of- Mr. Murk. soil Air Wieselh,m, oed e• with the sths* whom hit - hod mons il. Haynie meted nh.l t ime ; de il pr s'a ectte7 b Lt aiL t i ie w a m m "ta re :o it ui7l ' i n iot ih ii ' l ,f e; l : l n iul erewlrrn iis atir i .:::r wee Acetate of the kingdom--gwatly improved Is week! , mid haul. dee ; add what he coot-civet! to he the Metter thr re preseotation In Parliament—mode evi rooted andaareortd, and mach arrive to. the made in which lb, Meedeos were returned ; it remained foe ham to stale what be roil - 1 " i " " he the be" plan, by which rime remedy seen be pacts to the tall of which lie complaiiied. In c moiderirg of such a p'se, it was ualtir!il for Ism to etude to what had had been propo•eil io Ilia respect by tlinse great astb/e 4l t a wire brat pie/edit! him he thew advocacy of Mello*. Lant Chatham had proposed to add 100 members to the aerates of who It the House was in lois lime composed. Mr. 10 suggested the addition of •100 meager., to be elected b.„ .. ~,IP 4 " counties, is ailditren to it mie the, iii the House. Mr. roe" proposed the add hots of 100 Members, to be elected bytes holm holders tlerongihout the roasts, whirl Mr. Fox deagst the be.i soggesit.ii salt hint kireuutiered He (LordJ. IL) iras toclineJ to proiooe he add 100 Meted) , rs le lila "blue' bust nut io give them oil to co.& e: nor all to towns. He 'hoar , alums tie shoeld be abetted Id T h e cd ,,,,,i„,, sad 40 14 great lows% toms 10 rWatneermil, •itiL sone to semonfaceurem lose'. How the new Members *lowed be dioretteled ha dad eat thialt it areemar); nromematate mere minitely—ao would require• the most ' , wheeled thspamettieltordtlln 4 thee. In briogeog forwird this prop. sal, he bad /Q uad 6 dll'nz.illy eaelermed to lona which Lord Cbaiteine 'ta t Not met will:. Ali addit,ot of ooe hundred bad bee- . „el !, c ~,. ~;; : ot•lhatilimi6onrotthe the ottestion s df the goers* on' s od the sentiments of tbevottai lev and unequivocitly owsus,sed Win on any others. He would therefore proceedtbotate the result of both calculations pu., th2ae eo tees._ tiona. Fly the calculation of hie ilfribleirrieod, it appeared, that boo thirty-three boroughs, the number of whose inhabitants did pot exceed 1,000, there were twelve members who soled against AR. Ministers, end forty-four who voted foe them from 35 boroughs of less limn 2,000 'iambi. tants in each, 16 Members voted egoism, and 45 for the Ministers; from 76 boroughs with fess than 5,000 inhabitants each, 48 Members voted isiguisist, and 93 fur the Ministers. Then cense the boroughs of a lager size, of which there were 25 with from 5,000 to 10,000 inhabitants, of the Members from Which there were 24 who voted ageism the Minis tees, and 27 for them ; and in the last place were 31 towns, each containing from 10,000 inhabitants upwards, of which 38 Members voted agaimit the Ministers, end only 21 fur them.—(Hear, hear.)— ! fie now came to his owes statement,aapd he famnd that from places in which the, numher of Wu. bitants was under 500, one Member only taid voted fur redaction, and 19 against ;o f the Members from pieces where the number of inlsabi tants was above 500, and under 1,000. there - were twelve who bad voted for reduction. and thiry three against those from pines of less than 2,0011 inhabitants. 17 hid voted 14,, and 44 sprits,' reduction —of those from places of whit-h the inhabitants did not exceed 3,000, the number of Members who had voted for reduction was 19, and of those who bed voted alpinist it 46—of the Members frown places of under 5,000 inhabitonts 25 had voted foe sod 45 spinet reduction—an d of those from places with above; 5,000 inhabitants 66 lied voted for ueduction, anil oily 47 against at. —(Heir, .hear.)—The general result of this calcu- Ivitou way, that the proportion of votes changed against the Ministers as the number of inhabi tants in the places returning the Membeta who voted increased; in this manner, in the class where the cumber was lonest, there were nineteen to one for • Moister& ; in the near class, three to one fur Ahern; and al' - hat they coati to 'be five to ,three ageissA Arms But there ware, tplier in -stances ;- iliefe.' titre imeticular enhances of gars titan, which had occsrred ',Wats the, Kosent year, the infemoces from which were ars swims as could be ' dratta . from any general eilitrlitt lion. He *Meld take titres great iluestiuna. that ,of the salt E A that for the reductirUt acme of the l'ostroasters.Giberal.- In the division ou the Mk tax, the nierobers were 169 to 165. Of the 165, there were 49 Members for English and Welsh counties, stud 55 front great town*, there being only 56 torus of that large size. So that the majority of the Meagher, Our counties and great towns voted in that mailer number, while, on the other hand.• the lOust ',amber contained wily 14 county Members and 61 placemen—(Hear, hear)—unly 10 of whom could.by possibility be said to represent either counties-Auricle towns is that House. He hoped, therefore, tt yo u sot spin be said, that M while on the ath,' 'Ode were to be friosid nearly all •gm .Mezubers from populous . phiem. the Opposition was made up of throe from. rot- Y° ...cmr".ll l (Hett's beer, .heer.)-014 _the.tou tine for the reduction of one of the Postings. tens-Cereatial, - the tituhtwrs 'were 159, and 104. the majority against the reduction heings!s. Of the MI& there woe 99 6;46:h and Wehti county Members, and 40 Members from fatly towns; whift• he the other hand there were but 11 comity Members, and 23 from Jorge towsis ; that is to say, that ehe bliiiiuiera. had a majority of 25 of•the whole number in their favour, on a ouestion where the medlar representatives were 69 t o 34 against thew. —(Hear, hear hear.)--11 any fact could wake oil impression in that House, he thought they had it here. They had here the representatives of the Crown anti of the House of Lords, overvilielm ing the represetnatiitei of the people by their hero bets; where the object was entirely to manual, an office inAbkitatrutione of thW Crown, and coafered 011 i ineinbei of the Hot of Lordv.—(Hear, hear.) —l e e( it ke rgatenibered ,lust, that on (fiat memo . rable they bad heard advanced the dowries., that the number of useless places should be main . tonsedoestentioterponse to the incsessed intelligence • wt.*, People—(Hear. hear, hear.)--ii doctrine which the Hobourable Member for Kneresborough (Nrir .1. Sackiutoth). deeply versed as lie was to contostutioittl Itartiong,declared to be entirely new; and .bywritich the member for Cork Castle (Mr. Balikriq had declared himself to be greatly slurry,- tel.—•-(cheeis end witch laughter.) —The Ministers of the CCown ought to posers the confidence of . Mouse of Commons, and that House ought fairly to represent and to hove the routl denee of 'the people. those were the true con stitutional principles of Parli•ment. and a de parture from either of them must lead to error and mischief incalculable.—(Hear.)—ln the time of the Stuarts the Minister. dad not possess the confidence of the House of Conitnoint, and therefore lewd tu mults. insurrection. civil wars, and finully revolu tion ensued. Io the present times the Miniver, possessed the confidence of the House of Commons, but that House did not speak the sense of the people, and therefore had we seen tumults and alarmiog dissentioas la the country, and witnessed the continued efforts of the Goverouteut to repress them by law. restrictive of the liberty of the sub ject, and by enormous standing entice. If he weir forced to admit that some persona, who were frivida of his oion, "'wed to passiseg•tliese restrictive 'awe. tad Paring away the Bill of Rights, he looked on 1019ile leessereswitk the greater regnet and deplored their consequences the more on that account. They would not hope to ereet the Legislature of this coma "lty into a Venetia') Senate, which, if it ceased to govern by its possession ujilie esteem of the people, ..00014 terrify sod awe them into submission to its ideerees. The liberty of England abhorred attend ing army, and the people of Blighted could not lie ioverned by force, nor by terror, by restrairitsaapoa their freedom. 1101 by curbing the expres,nois of their opinions. If they had a reformed Parliament, the Ow vernment would have nothing more to do than to submit their measures to its con•ideration.and if they did pot meet with its sanction, to tiojt.e.LlAth SNP*r iions as were deemed neceraiery, while if srenelsonvgi by it. they' would be wore of Me aWsent ipd ra t tly compliance of the people. But, at prelims!. file/ were obliged to partite a winding' and a degrading • _ s .: - ~ `~ • to th . wl du • er hi :.L A M • at - P 4 'V/ II • 11l ►a Sr ar • . APS rei P. 4 8, ob •w fix till . _' CV VI CO VO atr eh •n tAi •I 1.1 of eh