The Sun. — London, England, 1813-05-25 00:00:00

i`tt ~~Oita) ;lit tot totle ghAtta obteis'aMpleiteettrities .•;;Iv el , i,„. ;h e p i eservai too of the Protest:l:4 ib lishreeek. Ile `cults Su rprised that Gentle wit° werc tinily ei.taehed - to the Protestant /term could c-i it ' l Mph - Ste, .1 t himt apprehension ; at must be the fate of the Protestant Church in 101 (1,V this Bill were.passed 'into a law. To tiit - appeared certliii, that iii twenty or five and ent) , years, if Catholics were admitted to sit in iiistnent, the . Protestant Church in , Ireland uktiot remain oa its present foo.tin. This, he ' llt emied at sonic lerigth, rtlight be g anticipated tit .ittevitable consevenee of the present measure. etheaght he might fairly assume, that each good Oalie believed his own church to be the only le nt e , and consequently regarded every other !Oistuatieal and heretical, 'ati d therefore thought ,:,'"%vii ought to assonie power otter them.— 'NM he not, then, thinking his own Church ti be en humbled through the wickedness of Inuits, he anxious to restore it to the rtl which it had lost ? As a conscientious ', t1 , 118 must be his Wiili ; an d m igh t i t no t b e. 'lulled, that if a favotivabiL. opportunity °IFFI.- ,Itc Woold lie disposed t o g i ve etEct to this '' at the expenee of the Protestant interest ? then proCeedett to describe the inconveniences Iple Fk'th might arise from a eieastire like this, if, ' 1 I'l; the two, libil , es, that power Which was ii!,Ritationally lodged in the Sovereign, but 411)ail .early }Awn exercised, should be called lit t°° lT('se it. llf _Catholics were admitted ti: ? '" li ''"ktit, he could not but think their ad le'dl,4',,i,w'filld be ;an endless source of dispute Xitt s ,", v "'ity. How Could good , Catholic's sup- Linit',"Citt aleastueS favourable to a Pros estaut k m en ' which %vent to take money from their le !allat iwteby to prevent itsecipiiring thl i t P" - tritsauee C tw e t 1 la which. they must think it -entitled ?. t b . c s 'lllosed twit they would not use the, tkemlb Is . . bt t h eir ° II givei l them to advance the inteiests kaypai,„(l'wit Church? . Stirely inat ; and where tio ng t 1: 'fleet would stop he knew not ; nor why lim a t 'hitch as it . proposed to give, the Bill N it i "NI where it - did. . Things 'conld not re- Nitclerc. 'This had. !Teen said AVIIOO the.re ti, ns ill Ireland were repealed .in 1793..... It !net) see. ' '' Ri„ t ••••••ell a it you give 'them the elective i rati te' Y"'t adtiiit them into. Parliament, and if you rtit c :: l; e r ! I lls/ you give them every thing. ,Thii 11 4 1, 1 ' 1) 1 i was correct. Giving so much, more t g .. e , called for.: It had been proposed to life bill arrangement, which would unite "lid to te b .,- '' Parties, hut he thought the framer's 1 , 1 ,, 1 - oill must he satisfied they had not • +.'0011(t tv or,-: l %tii t o : l l , c i alli of doing this. The present men lead to new differences, for when they_ rie iti ::, C "tholictt . the power of noing incite than 1) 1 ,1 4 :: Yet doee, it Was not to be expeetecUthey 4, 1 _7 1 1 . 1) 1 1 while they had' any.thing to demand. . ~a ir e ‘ n . t r tihnight h e the fate of this Bill, lie was k 1, 71 e. present would mit prove a final ar ,l,44zeisiti; tiiinliw‘mild riot ptutan end to the tillinta• ..,titti t IC 1 , tat divided the two count r ie s . Ad-, ..o 1 arliametit, the Catholic ' Id aspire tenie the confidential servant:nit-I:le ciown ; I. 1 1 disputes waturt arise simita r to those which I t it . ead of in ancient Instor'y, betwe e n the qiciatis aed the pietai l i ns of Rona!, thete, et It long struggle, the Consul i o to the Plebeians eOl ttolleicrli:jiz tli i t e i r r i i s b i t i l t t ii i : t4 ‘, l L l .::: l i t i a c i . o P t i ‘ ; l i - p 3 tr s o i s e i t i t a l ::::::l t n o . the part of the 1) , ( , the apparent superiority in . alne llitl i Was so great, that for g time the .peoele continued to clitio j se their ni the ,l'itrici lit lifils - fr o party, Was made,till • t last a or tinning mac of di to that di :nit • ' lie 1, each' 't° i f t teat ,t ill ' illt , ' - i i .., • , %IleW of nolling to L.- : it Nq s . - t '. 4 '"''•"'as between the Pro : , gltid the CatatiliCS. It was . contended, t 4ll .tki niu, I ' . e it,.r4rvy. tr,..l6:su.tt:l4,l?eticii:L,i,,,ii k ; 1 " , 0 rc ,..t I itiy f t e i f t i e tt )t hl ii n a t: i t 1 t n N a l a t l e i tw, swa, lie tiiii 111 4 se c 11e..t they were 'hound !i f; '! - le, •ttaotie r. Ele del ii.A see that because ion given the elective traaeh'se, that they Imilki t o qi,; , iici l I . the right to sit in ar iatnen . [..l.llllll',',',i..m,eno'w under eops.cieration Were thrown le itat titter clauses'Of the Itill might be eoter 'Li!, t si., 4 4t if this were given up, they gave lip tß:,f:it'tlr).,.for,the sum of power which ‘ would le I . 'lle Catholic, body, if Catliolies once . 11 t thh te i . .eit s tik _ i , to sit Th Parliament. ; would enable itilk,„..",."),,tiitt every thing else which they might. I.4,tliudke to demand. k • tptitit44,,..rliEltEllGH wished to confine the ob c',ttittioll,fte.hati to offer to the clause under con- A ll , l il (tt 41 he' concurred with his flight Hon. t - . 44 ,tt, tk,,l.t Speaker) in :thinking that on:this fer'Ytt,i t tlartaii ce of the Bill depended, and ta r „ lt e tv oll 'i'h, to carry this, he conceived such )1 , i., come 4 strip the measure of all those Wu 4.°"tice., , It ellees which it was their object, to t ,'6llt.t e 4144 which he conscientiously . thought Nty o , 4 . tyzr cted to result from this 'Bill: If in, '•"ititt e , ' t ot , t . th em . the Catholics' to, office, and refiiscd ; t ot h ill Parliatneut, the . inealtire Would f ' l tittl 611;4 character which it was necessary .it 1 :le did ! t '.) give their wishes .effect, Peeling N„ w it e .‘'., i . n , ~., , ... ~,,, f„ ii n , . icsn eet t o t il e n o man e..atinnic ii.. N ti i.tt u vt .. , / .. ue i le _ e LWor g Ali Ile did thepreSeot siruhtiim f :hi ry . i a 1..9f their church, he considered . it ne l'A::tit,le:e ~g .kli l i t , i ir "gai it , t any thing that might af ',l; tli; "3- , % , 1 ',l' the Pro!estant ,Establishment ; 11 1it t , :it of r sf,‘"!lntl of expediency, he thought .no Stt _..ii t ti. ,,' Igt()1,13 restraint ought to be proposed, 1 411 ,Zere .C9llplell Witil some great.. emistitit (l;ll--fles 1 0 • - s lot). It was necessary that a seen led b e , , . k - yr: - tit , obtained to guard agaliot external iittittil:lti.tt %.vlien requiring Ails, he wtet placed uti4 1 , 41 (41 , In' which he could proffer great wit' I( ttii s i lt ' ', Pilegeti, bethought such tin' arrarsge .. li m a • , Catholics' ' w()Ilid oqt,r,„„, , e with the az : .. ny f , "It State, and conducive to toe pio-. , 00 0 the ' 4l e°ll / 1 " *V. ' Aleeting then). oil the ba t - Otuilizititilt4bl etnlideiice, a . satisfactory ritrange--. t1 . 1.,,, 14 , 1 e made, and both Catholics aed State .91 t11. • aguitist external dange If the Ca 7 r. - 4 , ' 11 1 a i s • ~. 4 %4 with pita of conciliation, faill,y em ,t,thli, i t „ it,lie legislatore in the attempt to ef .,‘, 4 , 4 ~.. eld not doubt the success of tlieir ef '4* t or ttit w c had none of those li•fpochelidrinc „extre.,,,4„;('titation which sonic ( . :Laitleinea i giqt lei -,.-: 'tut it Illtsi hs.eli hst;eti, .would this lay i t .l' ce ii tai ? it would in , ea act of illy 4 : vNithi x,i 1 1 '*. ' ' I . , „ftte 4, 0 ' 1 11 c fitiiimii .:iiiiiri r . o4ttiliteC to 'kbltietto kv Y (lid • and God corhiti th ,, t 'atiV of i 8 ' 411 '0111.1 ' • ' ' ' tnt v . . ' presum e to !..iy,. Ow .w ;,et ken! ' 1 "".-;ht i tu f rt. til t ,; f- , I in tI, wi . (ictlar 1 44 011 id — 6 - uever be ilite; - ,..; hoWeVer tql!Clhil, of, t. 1 )11 the 1 11. 'll l O.' tit ttt nC It trr t-1 C C S • I . 4 r 4 -~' :. i . • -• • , atentes might chatge. Tie did riot then say this woold be final, but he would Say, that if the Pao teatants Ware ;trong enough, to guard against those abuses which uligh •be anticipated, if taking a . foadainental measure' which treated the Ca tholics as friends, guarding each party from exter nal danger, be thought. thete \vault' be no very gloat difficulty in arranaing most. of. the -points that ,would conic into discussion., Ale thought the seeds of discontent had: been sown in Ireland by going into needless details. It they wished . to perpetuate these unfortunate discontents, they would do well to revive such discussions; but if they ,wished to make a proper impression on the Catholic, mind, the paotestants 'should look at the subject like Statesmen, and not. make the diffe rences between them the subject of an annual striae., gle, which on the broad principle of mutual conci liation, might be settled at once. That act of Pa pile), in another country which had recently been. brought to light, in his opinion was so far from -furnishing an argument against this measure, that it made the strongest possible appeal to Parlia ment in its favour.. It at once displayed the true: ,situation of things,- it disqlosed the whole call:, and set before their eyes the remedy for the evils apprehended. It proved that the authority of the See of Rome could not effectually contend against the : State,. armed -`Witli that protection, which, if the present act were passed in a. spirit of liberality, it would be their power to give themselves. It could no longer be said of the Catholieadvocates, that they•liad na specific ar rangemeets to propose. They had now, he re joiced to say, a substantial intelligible measure to offer, the general provisions of which his flight Hon. Vriend,. with all his constitutional jealousy of innovation, had not theatght deserving of cen sure. To some of the arrangements suggested by that Right Hon. Gent. (the Speaker) be had no ob jection ; but he observed, that the matters . which he had brought forward a little ostentatiously, for . securing the Catholic solider the 'uninterrupted exercise of his religion, had not been particularly noticed, because it had not been found to press on him se as to give cause for complaint. lie under-, stood the argument of_ the Right lion. Gentle,- man,agaiet the Clause to be this--that under no circumstances ought (:atholics to be adMitted to sic in Parn , :!llCA; but looking ut all circumstances walla! he 'his hand on 4i4 heart. and say, that it the . Catholies conducted themselves with coalman' prudence, if they :vou!dgive up all that, asCatholies, honest niep, theycould give Withollt S3CII-. tieing one iota of their religion, would the Right Hen. (.3- at. say, a system ar eaclusion,should be a permanent systeth ? If he thought' such a system could not !)e. permanent, he would not think that the basis of one more dui•able ought not to be held to unite both Protestants , and Catholics, and that it should be doha immediately' to con ciliate, instead of going on further to exas perate•each other. lie was surprised at the ap prehensiona of 'the Right lion. Gentleman. lie had thought he hati ditticulties , about the securi- ties to . be- propos ci ; hat when ,securities were brought forward, be had not anticipated difficulty iii concession. He had heard may Oeittleniena say, -thatif the Catholics wonTh take theoath of supremacy, all objections : to . admitting them to equal participation of the rte vantages Of the Con stitution would- vanish) and ,they would. be too happy to act wita those who were thus reeoaciled, to the State. He thought their religion was not opposed to their taking the oath in a manner that ought to be every Way satisfactory; but it, was creditable to thein in a moral point of, view, that they refused to take it, think lug, .as they did, • that it Was incompatible with the existence of any power in the head dal their Church. They ad mitted, however, that the Pnpe hail Oo tempo oath power • If what were -.ailed mixed, cases; wire: submitted to hila bringing; the deei aioris of the' See ot . ::.use under the cognizance of their own responsible: officer,: they in filet brotight those mixei cases itudertheir own ju— risdiction. ' A loop-aole, it noel been-said, would still he left, and this heeihnitted !night be,true, as was frequently the case in laegialation ; but, he contended that the Protestants would add to their strength, by sheiviug that the Englih Con- , stitittion did not depend upon a system of excluaa sion to shield it frovedanger from abroad. The . existing dilferenees removed, be could not bea: lien the Roman Catholies would remain together a solid body, always complaining 'of grievances, and endeavouring -to. make (agreements with the 'Minister of the day, as some Gentlemen had sup posed they might do. If be thought the men sure put the Protestant church in danger, much a&.he.altottld lament the necessity of doing t 0,,, he should oppose it ; hitt in a popular Constitution like ours the predotninanee of the Protestant religion most be so complete from the Crown, and : the publieestablishMents being Itrotestant, that he felt oolie Of the 'alarm with which this mensure bad been contemplated in various quarters. He thettight it not improbable that some of the . Gen tlernee sent to Parliament by'eutholics exerted themselves With greamr warmth, in favour ctf the . CitholiCs than would be found in Catholics them selves. He did nut, think, therefore, that the ‘, chinge.wonid Mica' the Cathedica, Whose poWdr was not felt Within those walls in, the manner' supposed, but they would feel that the brand of distrust wastiow 'removed, and habits of mutual confidence would soon grow out'of the:change.— He chid not think it desirable to keep up an annu a l .strtiggle,ria if fee the purrpoe ofaacerta Ding how long pee:party could hold out in petting forth elaieis, and with how munch ill 'nature they conld be received by the other, "years he hail been satisfied that a measurelike the present could :alone extricate the colleens of England front the : difficulties with which they were beset lie re. joiecd at the .c.!:11 1) ,:r 111 rritich the• Measure had been n ight-forward by those who formerly; eon temled that no securities Were necessary, end was glad they 'Were prepariug td sliew the Catholics, w h at - tidy could and would do to relieve them. n o b oo ed 'the wrist spirit' of liberality would be seen threarghout. He had the greatest respect for the seutinieets of those who opposed him, • and with araeeti he cordially ia.,, , ,reed the g eno lit . policy of ti k . COUntry. It was with anguish that he (Herod from them on any subieet ; limit in the pr sent inatuace Nacre to sheae m a ,, a n: ‘ a ial e y r'l u epersonal favoer with whir Is thelehed honoured himuu inanyectasions; were he hot to act from the feelings of his own heart—.,.(The Noble Lord resumed his seal amidst loud cheers from iillpurls of The (louse.) Mr. YORKE said, the Noble Loaf had spoken 'noeh of the happy state of things which might be expected to result front the pising of this Bill ; mid could he hope that the effects of it would be such as the Noble .Lord bad described; the mea sure would s.ertainly have' his' warinest support ; but far from this, lie MIS of opinion, that it would increase the existing differences; and influence the animosity of the parties, by bringing then) in con tact with each other. The dangers spoken of, it bad been ,said, were imaginary. He could not say what of evil might occur in twenty years ; but this be was sure of, that we,had been well gtivera ed under the laws as they at present stood. These had raised - this country to a situation of greater prosperity, than any country !lad ever been raised to before; and he wa-s satisfied that if the lawS continued the same, things- woold go on us they had done, With this confideoce,' and with the experience of the past, he coind not consent to such an alteration io the laws as was now pro posed. . Those anomalies which could Safely be removed, he should be happy to see ;done away, but the present question wits; whether or not ;thc... Catholics !Mould he admitted to take a part in the Government Of a Protestant 'country His Noble Friend had admitted dance wits to .beepprehelad ed from foreign intinenee, and lie had also. ad mitted the necessity of seenritieS.: Now, in his opinion, there was hut one security, for the Pro , testant Constitution, and that Security they were going to give up, for the only real secu rity against the Catholics-was keeping them out. ' When, in framing the Feiglish Constitution, " it, was declared that it should be a Protestant Monarchy, that it had been suggested that the King should be authorised to choose Popish Ministers, this proposition would have been laugh .'ed at. It was undoubtedly meant by to PrOtestant Monarchy, that the King, 'the Ministers, and Parliament, should be Protestant. It then. thii pr:nciple were given ty,,the English Constitution would be destroyed. • How could they suffer Ro . man Catholics to make laws for the regelatioO of the Church of England His Noble Friend, on a former Occaiion, had adverted to the inconsistency of his thus observing to the frieods of 'the'Cardm lies, You set: out on the'priuciple.that there shall be no interference in '.the• slightest degree with the Bomsts Catholic Church; but would ud. mit the ROlo4:1 Catholics into Parliament to in.:. terfere with your own." It this were perniittede . hat would the Church Of England say? Admit ting Catholics into Parliament, and to be.Minis ttas,. whit security had the. Protestant Church's Was oat doing - this to violate the con pact be tween Chore!) and State ? 116 could not therefore agree to this, clause, bat this thrown out; he had no objection to take into consideration the other provisions (4 the 'Bill. - Whatever they did be was sensible would not give. satisfaction to the Catho lics, lint he was ready to goes far ,as be could con scifaitiously, and to do what. ought to satisfy 'them, and svh:lt would be sufficient to content reasonable men. He bad enderstood that the Bill was not to pass till it had lien ascertained thataike Catholics would agree to the provisions' it contained, The Commissiou, however, which was to siydfy this agreement, would stand for nothing it their decision had' not-the sanction of one of the Episcopal Order:, Front the, moment ' the Bill passed, ;he Catholics would be entitled to the privileges of the Constitution, and while they were i suffe.red to come to Parliament, and take a share indict Government of the Country, lie learen the Protestants might look. fooheir secu rities in vain. Mr. GRATTAN observed, that if the Catholic Clergy did not agree to the commission, their whole episcopacy would be stopped, and this con, sideration was an answer to the apprehensions of thellight lion. Gentleman on that head. :.With respect to the great danger anticipated. from the infitsion of. Catholic. characters into the. Legisla _,ture—the Legislature whieh acted upon Protes tant subjects, he'denied that any would exist. It would not be a Catholic House Oinking lows for Protestants, but a Protestant House with a very. stnall proportion of Catholim 41-,(1.-this was the essence of Inc Protestant establishment; that all classes of men shotild be represented. It was erro mous to say that Roman Catholics and Protes,. tants could not he united,--,that there was a:civil incompatibility. He denied the fact, that tra»- sabStantiation, or a belief in saints; 'created this incompatibility, nor. was it' the case in any other country,. The Right Hon. Gentleman whose opi-, nions had justly so much weight (Mr.. Abbot) objected to the Bill, frOm a belief that the nitro duction-ola hundred of the Catholics of Ireland might be dangerous to the Piotestant influeece in • tltitt House. The probability of this he meld not admit; - forlhe bulk of the landed property in Ire hold was ht Protestant' hands, and It was the : landed - property „which .sent. Members Jo that House. Seven Peers in the other.flonse, nod 30, 40, or '5O Members - in that House, which-con sisted of 6 Members; could never give the Ca tholics au ascendancy. Soch u minority' could could not .constitute a majority in that House. 'But 'what 'was the qnestion before them—not ivhether the 'Catholics should have seats, that was only.tt part ; of, and not all the measure,. but wise •ther the Protestants. should have seettrity . ? Time framer.: of tlfe Bill came to them,with this, and now they would reje4 both ! in his opinion, the *hoses which het been addid to the Bill were. perfectly consistent with the Catholic religion, and essential to time passing of the measure if these were rejected, then they would be rejecting the Bill lit. complimented Lord C,istlereagh On leaving " acted a manly part in regard to this nica;- sure ; .tud ns,the side he had taken:might he AM 1101)4411*.fav a seli3on, it was . but, right that the framers Of the Bill should partake of the odium with him, which he had to'encotOlter feolo those Ca." tholies, and. their Bishops, Who were hostile to these clauses. In the sentiments uttered by the Noble . Lord lie coriihtilv concurred, and dilfered ;11 entirety from the opinions held' out by the Right lion, Gentleman near him (Mr. leorke).. The question was, whether thcy would have the Pope's power limited, and the Catholic Laity in, col-Fo ll ow ,-with ; thems e lves, or whether they would have the Catholics disonited, and the papal iniMence whole Mr. RATnuarr thought what bad fallen front the Right lion. Gentleman of so extf aordinor'y a nature, that he must call the attentioo of the House to some of the points he had titgea It had been proposed; at an early stage thei:ill, to postpone the.concessions till they saw if ti.e Ca tholics would agree to grant ? c,LunitHs ;. but by the mode noW porsued, all world he granted to the Catholics With no 'prospect . 01 hen *sub mitting to them, at was stated by Dr. '..*Wlnq. 'He augured, therefore, the clause of 3cc..by wool(' be nugatory: He was i ,'.:t orprised at the assertion of 'the. Right Hn oottfitble Gentleman, that they could not exchtde perSenS from the State hot for treason. Th e. c o nstit u tio n aid the practice of out ancestors, trout the time of f'ar, volution, proved the veverse of this ; for,bY,these, the religion of the State leas held to be Protes tant, and other religious Were escluiled. As for the probability' of danger, from' the (atholies iii that House, it did. not :eSt On the nutitber of those who' might . be chosen in the first in,qauce. But Gentleffien on the other Side Lad, in former argu- Meats, told them' that the power'od pr; - )perty ot' that body - were growing and Oust grow in ire land, till they Intd, a decided ;;•ieri(irity. And were there no Catholics in England ? were th ere no countries in which there weer thou Sands of them ? And ought not the Legislature . to look beyead the present moment in a nica;ure of this importance ? He denied the truth of the dilemma that had been, put from the other side, and conceived it to he per fectly possible to enact all the seem utics iti the!Ilill, with only part of the epoi!cssioris: It was high time for the House to look tr. the former; after what heat been stated concerning reli,gious sects, and the progress of Clerk4lcatbMie intitutions in this country. The Right Hon. Gentleman had stated; and he begged the 1-lonse'te attend to the very remarkable word-- . -be bad 'Stated . that he was willing to- share with theni the odium of the chimes to provide Qgaitast foreign interference:- , --- Whence proceeded tInS odium Was it if provi sion ,:4gainst .Ptipal interference that 'the Ri.,ht `Hon. Gentleman dect4reti to bendious ? It could only co - the from the body to which he had sdluded. Titca where Were their securities, or Where the principal object for whic,4l they entered upon this conciliation? He feared that this work of peace.was only . the beginning of .animo sity and further Waxing, and. he, for one, would not consent to give his vote for Innovation, Nybigh inyolved the dowofal of the Constitution. Mr, GRATTAN . explained. . Mr. \V, FITZGIUtALJ spoke- in favour of the measure, and' recalled the attention of the Coons- mittee to the question immediately before them, ' instead of disctissing the general principle.. He, prof6sed himself to be an advocate for eonteisido, With. Security ; and though the clausesreferred to might he unpopular for a time, be was sanguine that the fond sense of the Clergy of Ireland Wouht reconcile them to a measure, long before these devises were acted upon. Mr. CAti'N,ING rose at A late low, and entered into an able and eloquent argument in favour of the measure generally, and of the particular clause now under discussion, ,which, in his opinion, vitally involVetl, the adoption or rejection ,of the whole Bill. The measure embraced two parts : concession and eoneiliatiottto the Catholic, and security to the Protestants.. This clause was the greatest of these concessions, but he WA/ more hi favour of it bemuse he believed .in . his. sail] thict • it: also ssilOrded the hest security tp the Protestant's. It was of such paramount. consequence., that upon its fate depended whe ther the next twenty years should be pass,cd in tranquility, or in growing discord. stud 'map peasable dissension. They were threatened by the opponents of, this measure with the danger of bringing dissensions Within these would admit it for argument sake, though pre . peared to refute it, and on .his conscience and judgment, he thought the best way to allay them, MIS to give them .vent thcre,,to let thcrii run , their regular course, instead of beiag over the country by a general, uncoiltins:4) itg4u tion. lie had often heard apprehensions ex,- . pressed lest demagogues sl raitle find, they way into that House. He ever thor:ght it the .hest way to, bring: them face, to fare here and in many instances where this had been tried its might be in the memory of many) it terminated in no increase of , power to the de gogoe, but. on _the, contrary, his tenets were put to the test, :Mir lie dwindled into n:nive canoe. What was trim of an individual, was true of the Catholic Body. Ile said, let the House, meet 'the cause. of disaffection there... Strip fhe party of real grievances, and placetheni in .nalied deformity there, "where they were not Jialged,by the inflamed passions of a sympathizing multitude; but by the penetration of persons who looked with Statesmen's eyes to what was- brotsght before them.•----llc next ridiculed the visionary alarm of danger from the-,admission of Putholies, ,is it-tiny would invariably act together, and attractin:! °diet' bodies; usurp the Government. The same argument was Urged both at the Scotch untilrish Unions, and yet it was not found that Seotsujen or Irishine'n were always, of the same way of thinking in that House—By refusing them seats in that House, they woidd.he made to look for every fltrOi.ir frolll. the cr'o'wn,' and.not to connect themselves with the popular branch, and this in itself was' 'dan gerous thing. He could not conceive any body more at for mischief. He next commented upon, the, speech of Mr, Bankes, and pointed out that the historical fact he lutd cited, went to innye the very reierst of his position, th at eapieity Possession. He also coMplained of the way t in h v l l :, ; , ; , l 4: obj i:suect:had been difenoed tin seeurities debated wire proposed, instead of the 01 ' when the details ought to coup.. Itistiti ffi ,k , having thesis tdo)get l ":r )itaii dl emu:: m ust be, done tbv.):.....it.:1)1015 1 Oild 4 this the: ib is c whfs s l u a cted ‘ e v irin 4 :lf)i ' l l ig ive t i l l l ' at must be prepared to o lhl t .;g1 r eY i t l es e : l l l e' ef e ..(l : e' t i( i gelltlytehlta‘o:aY p.ntis anti t s i t t e ' l y s" its restrictions as they pleased. ' After - cominent. sag with , much good humour on the sedulous la, bour i , of Sir J. HippiSiey,t o t i ci p i i re no d comoi o. nicateinformation on this subject, he, in a power ful strah4 depreetod tin disamdutltieln Of the highly raised hopes of the Catholics„ and intreatAl