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look, and to consider the excess as not taking place till the War. It certainly was to he wished that it,had not been incurred, bat when all the circumstances were taken into consideration, and when none of the items were liable to suspicion, he did not think that the Hon. Gentleman would induce the Committee to concur with - him iii opposing thiS Motion. One of the objections_ of the Hon. Gentleman was, founded upon the charge for Foreign Ministers ; this was an article of expence which . the Hon. Gentleman used always to approve of, 'bin he had statett that his objection was not to the continuing the_ former exe pences, but for incurring new 'ones. The Hon. Gentleman had objeded that different persons had been*sent upon different missions, and had been very witty upon the subject of Lord Whitworth being sent,to Copenhagen; and another Gentleman having been sent orna fbrrner occasion to Petersburgh, and= had contended that 'elle whole of, this charge ought to be strode off. This would, indeed, be most extraordinary economy, to say the Civil 'List is"*.- in state of difficulty, and therefore' we'mnst not send extraordinary .I\flissions to Foreign Courts,- althou a li, perhaps it might be,the means of saving the, Country froth a War, or of leading to the conclusion of a Peace. The Honourable Gentleman might . say, bad any of your missions this'effed ? This v. as a point he wOuld not argue in a digres sion, -br . in a parenthesis in, a speech: He would not now enter into any argument about the obj'a of those missions; he would only ask, whether a difference of z or 30001. arising ,from such a - cause, and under all the circumstances of the present times, ought to decide the condua of GoVernment,- or whether it aught to be introduced into a grave assembly by a grave man ?—With regard to what the Hon. Gentleman .had said about the office of Secretary 01 - Sfate, it iviis a iubjeEt which had often been mentinned'in the HOuse a and might be discussed again ; and if the House.was.of opinion' that if ought' near to be continued, i t might be bid down. The Hon. Gentlermui - had Contended, nhatthere was' no occasion for such an office, becaus' the labour Of Secretary of Statelesd 'very considerably diminished by the sepa ration of America from - this Country e but whoever would take into consideration all the' affairs of this Country; would-not find it easy to state any. period in which there was Occasion for greater exertton_ or greater vigilance_ than during the War, and which most, idi a considerable degree, be. kept up during the Peace .which 'had this day been announced.— The Hon. Ger , rieitan had Spoken much of theeffed of Peace and - War upon. the Civil List ; bur his Right Hon. Friend had taken Much pains to skew that thiS iii - creaseedid not' arise from the War, as such, but had merely-increased during .a period of War. No such idea had' ever been advanced by his Right Hon. Friend as that which the Hon. Gendeman had laboured :to refute, a.nd which in of file% he had advanced-himself, viz. that because the general expences of the country were 'great, that - :eherefore the Civil: List must be in creased in propottiOn. ' NO. such argument had ever been urged, and the, Hon. Gentleman had merely invented. it for: the. purpose of refuting it. It had been admitted•that some of t'he expences: of theCivil - List musrihave been increased by the great increase-in the price of proviSions; but there were some expences which. absolutely - arose our of the' War : she would take for instance one charge, that; was Foreign Messengers, an 64)N - tee arising almost entirely out of the War:. He foimd that this was charged under the head - of occasional payments, under which head the greatest increase had takers place. Many of -these expences could not have been foreseen when the' Estimate*was made. • When, -however, he saw that *the . Pension List had been kept 'within its bounds,. when he saw that the sala ries had' been diminished -in general, and when he saw that the increase which had taken place was in articles the le4t liable to suspicion ; he owned he felt great gratification in -thinking that no applica. tion had ever been made to Parliament, the explana tion of which was more simple, or lay in.a more nar row compass, or that came with a better grace than the one now under considerationeThere remained but one point more upon which he would say but a very few words, and that was, respeding the nature of the Civil-List.. Upon this parr of the subject he - - would not enter into any discussion of the different changes which had taken place in the nature of our Revenues. He would contend, that when the Civil List was once granted to the Crown to be disposed of, generally.speaking; without the interference of Parliament, it was at the same time true, that it was not only the right but the duty of Parlia ment to-inquire, .whenever they saw any grounds for suspicion of prodigality or corruption, and espe cially whenever there was any application 'made to them for relief. The Gentleman had spoken of the expences in fornier Reigns, but he wish - ed the Hon. Gentleman would take into consideration the Grants to the Crowil,' and the Debt in the three Reigns preceding that of his present - Majesty, and he would find that in the first sixty years of the last century, the average expenditure . was 794,0001. • per annum. Now, allowing for all the sums which - had been granced, and. which was now proposed to he granted in ,aid of the Civil List, for the - last forty y ears, the expenditure, upon an average, was not above 918,0001. a year. He appealed to the Comatit tee, whether this, increase in tine proportion offrorn 8 to t . (he was not talking of die Revenue only, bet - of the Revrnue and Debt together), • taking all the circumstances of the times into consi lieration, and particularly the great increase in the .f price of Provisions, deserved the language which had been applied to it by the Hon. Gentleman '-'Look at' the great variation of money during the • period of 'which he had been speaking. It had va ried in the proportion of from -z to 3, and the va riation in the Expenditure of the Civil List was •i onl) ;is Bto 9. It would - also be fair- to look at the 'state of the Hereditary Revenue the average .amount-ct th , ,t. revenue durihg - His Majesty's Reign ' was 1,200,0001. a year, and in the year .11300 it amounted to no less than. 1,8oce,000!, ; and. this great incre ,se of these revenues was an additional - proof of the: increased prosperity and wealth which - • the'People had Acquired during His Majesty's Reign. f- He wonid tr , :uble the Committee more at large. The Qui:stiqn sci.n`ed to him to lay in a very nat.- D 7. LAWRENCE rose to vindicate the charac ter•of Mr. BURKE, whom he represented as an ad vocate for a rigid system of economy, when the independence of Parliament had not been endanger ed ; but when he found that the safety of the Con stittu.ion was threatened. by domestic factions, he nobly relinquished a system thatwas calculated on ly for tranquil times. The Donor then appealed to the good sense of the House, and trusted, that now the War was terminated; the Office of Secre_ nities. The Islands of Trinidad and Ceylon are ceded and guaranteed to His MAJESTY by Spain and the Ba.: • tavian Republic. The Limits of the Portuguese Dominions (on which so much has been said), are• . regulated according to the stipulations of the Treaty of Badajos, and not that of Madrid. No new Concessions are made respefting New foundland. The ContraCting Parties are placed in the same situation in which they were previous to the War; the same Privilege being granted to the French at this:Peace which was granted to them 'at the Peace of 1763 and 1783, of cutting wood < in the Bays of Fortune and• Despair, for the space of one.year. In restoring the Island of Malta to -the-Order of St. John of Jerusalem, a very detailed and import.. ant arrangement has been obtained, which we un derstand will be highly advantageous to the Maltese Inhabitants, and peculiarly gratifying - to their feel:. ings. This arrangement will be under the guaranty of the principal Powers of Europe. The French Language is to be abolished, and no person of that Nation is to be capable, in future - , of holding any Employment, Civil or Military, in the island. • We cannot conclude this statement without con gratulating thg. : Public on the successful efforts of •.: His MAJESTY'S Government, in bringing this im portant work to a conclusion. We are. persuaded that their success in this respect is to be ascribed to that happy mixture of firmness and moderation which has marked their conduct from their first LONDON : Printed by BUCHANAN MiIUILLAN, (of Bow-Street, Covent-Garkicn; ancf‘Publish,:d by WILLIAM SCRIPPS, (of Horse-ferry-road,' Westminster); At theSYN-OFvicr, N 9, ;,) 4(tipid where ,ildvertisemerits, Orders for the Paper, Letters for the Editor, &c. (post-paid), must be addressed., MONMOUTHSHIRE.--All the Proper t y 0f Ile ." , • TO 13E' SULD BY AUCTION, or By ' Mr. CROFT, g sreP fi cLo r ' At the Greyhound Inn, in the Town of Aberg - r ite 1 0 1 ' Thursday the Bth Day of April next, .betw."-eli_it to;. of Three and Six o'Clock in the Afternoon,. sunl i icc 4i ' Conditions of Sale as-shall ix. then aril there pf° i. v,,10' Table FREEHOLD. ESTATES , 'E under-mentioned very De:irahle af fof l '' '''‘i , Tax, in the two following Lots : • vri'• o id co , Lot 1. Two Farmi, called CADVOR w ith c. dischatge° , G RA.I GE ; consisting of two Dwelling- houses, Acre.'.4. good Out-buildings, and about 40 t custormirrY . 1 w oo' c‘o: 1 3 t gArable, Meadow, and pasture Land, n -- ~E . 0 , 1- 1 ' pation of Nicholas Morgan, as tenant by tn,clt::l;oll s °' itil r ' Lot 2. A FARM, consisting of a .. weliill, colcco. convenient Out-buildings, and upwards of a l., t ile 0 Acres of - Arable„ Meadow, and Pasture Land, ," or. l pation of _lames Lewis, as tenant by the ' N. 'B. These Farms, which are. capable 0 ~... Fa ris _ f oe able annual improvement, are situated in til - ' 3l .fif c ti, , r Lanwenarth, Ultra, and Lantoist, within ahou".,, ~,/ tv,'l. l -0 0 much-improved and nourishing' Market Tor" 1 cal) l , L3 ' . venny, and within a short distance of sev er . co tif Year.tverY c°j i cs ° 'Works. iicl Pli:l` jc ' The Tenants will shew the Premises L a - n d and may be liad on application to Mr. Croft, _..thoire. Surveyor, .at Lanarth, near Ragland, row compass, and he had no doubt hat that the Committee would concur in the Motion of his Right Hon. Friend. . s Mr. FOX wished to know whether the Right Hon. Gentleman had taken into consideration all the charges, which were then paid out of the Civil List, and.which were not now paid out of it ? Mr. PITT said, he had not taken either side into his consideration : the ‘Duke of Cumberland was paid in part out of the Consolidated,Fund : he had. merely taken. the general estimate. -Mr. TIERNEY said, he was disposed to give great credit to the Chancellor of the Exchequer for the very candid manner in which he had brought forward this subjea, particularly in having the Papers printed, ,which was rfeer s done before in cases of the . Civil List. He felt himself disposed to make every allowance for the change of circum stances which had led to this increase of the Debt ; but it appeared to him necessary, before .they voted this sum, that' they .should inquire whether all the same payments continued now to be paid out of the Civil List that used to be paid out of that Fund.— The Civil List had - been stated to amount to 900,0001. a-year ; but he contended, that besides -the 900,0001. a-year settled . upon -His Majesty, there were other sums which must be considered as forming a part of the Civil List. In 'the first place, the produce of the Four and a Half per Cent. Duties ought to be added to it, because His Majesty en joyed those duties ; in the next place, all the sums which were paid out of the Consolidated Food to the different brandies of the Royal Family, must be considered as so much.given in aid of the Civil List. There appeared to be some dif ficulty in understanding the meaning of M. Burke's 'Bill ; but the words appeared to him 'to be very distied. The Right Honourable Gen tleman. said, he had never tmderstood that Bill in the sense now put upon it;, he was extremely sorry that was-the case, for if the Right Hon. Gen tleman had acted otherwise, he would have saved the Country this very great expence.—When His Royal Highness the prince of Wales's affairs were under consideration, that Right Hon. Gentleman stated, that the best plan would be, to follow Mr. - Burke's Bill, and a part of His Royal Highess's Revenue Was appropriated' to pay his Debts. He trusted the Committee would, in the present instance, follow that example with regard to the Civil List. The Right Hon. Gentleman seemed to think that there were no articles in. the Account laid before the House which deserad censure ; in this, however, lie could by no means agree' with that . Right Hon. Gentleman• Ar the close of- a long and expensive War, the Country - was called upon to pay one Mil lion of Money. - This might:appear to the Right Hon. Gentleman a trifling surn, but .to him it ap peared a very serious one, and the business was brought forward 'in a way that appeared to him an insult to Parliament.. He admitted, that cases might exist io which it would be right to call upon Parliament to pay off incumbrances on the Civil List,*but what he complained' of .was, that- it was suffered to increase to such an amount, instead of acquainting Parliament of it almost from day to day.' According to 'the present plan, we were call ed upon tom without the merit of being generous. Among the many advantages which the. Civil List had pined, there was One wiiich . arose from the War, and that was, that.being at War with almost every Stare in Etirope, the Civil List had made a very great saving in the allowances to •Ambassih. dors. Another saving arose from the East India Com pany having undertaken the expence of the Board of Controul. Besides this, there was the Annuities to the Princess Amelia and the Duke of Cumberland. These considerations ought not to escape the atten tion of the Committee, because they very consi derably ,increased the Civil List. Another great saving which the Civil-List: had' made during the War, was in the article of Secret Service Money. In all former Wars, there was no Secret Service Money voted by Parliament, it was all paid out of the. Civil List; but in the present War, Parliament' had voted near 900,0001. for that service. With regard to the Law Expellees, they.appeared to him very enormous—the prosecutions were carried on in the most expensive way ; in many of them there were 13 or i+Counsel employed, which certainly could not be necessary. There was also a charge of roB,oool. for presents to Foreign Ministers, which he believed was without a precedent. The charge which was made for Messengers appeared to him enormous, particUlarly for Messengers at home, where The estatilishment of-the Mail Coach in his opinion rendered the employment of Messengers, on common oCeasions, unnecessary. He did not mean to go at length into all theseitems, he wished that some further time should be given to consider them, he was willing to refer it for examination again to the same Committee, and he was sure they would say, that there were many of these articles that ought not to be paid. He begged pardon for trespassing upon the Committee so long, but as he really wished that this subjea should be re-considered, he should move that the Chairman should report progress, and ask leave to sit again. Mr. ROSE went through a variety of Items re spetting the Civil List, as well as: on the state of the Pensions. He commented very largely on the comparative state .of the Civil List between the Reign .of George 11. and His present Majesty, and concluded from this comparison, that the expendi ture had been, in point of economy, in favour of the present Reign. He observed, that no individual interest had been preferred to the Public Welfare, and that in all the appointments to Foreign Offices, the strictest selection in respect to ability, and the utmost attention to charaaer, had been observed. •Mr. TIERNEY 'explained. tary of War would be abolished, as well as the other Offices dependent on it. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER explained respelling the character of Mr. Burke, and con ceived that the present Motion was in every re_ sped conformable to the spirit of Mr. Burke's Bill. Mr. STRACHEY made a few observations in de fence of the general plan of economy which per vaded every Department of the Royal Household. Mr. BANKS objeited to the sum of 94,0001. for the Foreign Ministers, and suggested the pro priety of abolishing the Office of Secretary at War. The Question was then loudly called for ; on - Iviiich a division took place, when there appeared in favour of Mr. Ti ERNEY'S Motion - 46. Against it 228 Majority Some farther conversation took place, during Which the Gallery doors were kept shut. . A se cond division took place (as vie could collea) on the main question, on which the numbers were, Ayes . - - - 226 _ Noes - - - sr Majority . 1 75 The House then (at Half-past Twelve o'clock) ailjourntd to the usual hour to-morrow. THE SUN. 60LEM QUIS DICERE cALsvm AUDL•AT ? LONDON, MARC If 30, 18oz. WE yesterday had the heartfelt satisfaVin of an nouncing to the Public the arrival of thet;DErIrrI TIVE TREATY of PEACE. In the . carrrse of the afternoon was published the following LONDON GAZETTE EXTRAORDINARY, MONDAY, MARCH 29, 1802. Downing-Street ' March 29, i 802. .Mr. Moore, Assistant - Secretary to Marquis Cornwallis, arrived this morning at nine o'clock, with the Definitive Treaty of Peace, which was Signed at Amiens, at four o'clock in the afternoon of the 27th inst. by the Plenipotentiary of His Majesty, and by the Plenipotentiaries of France, Spain, and the Batavian Republic. Our Readers will do us the justice to recollea, that we last week, we believe on Friday, very confidently anticipated the arrival of the Definitive Treaty in the course of, if not early in, the present week. This, amongst many other instances, will serve. we have no doubt, to convince the Public of the superiority and authenticity of our peculiar sources of intelligence. We understand that the P.atifications are to be ex changed at Paris, and from the distance of Madrid, it is scarcely possible that this can rake place in less than three weeks. The Treaty of course cannot be laid before Parliament till after the exchange of the. Ratifications. We have taken considerable pains to obtain in formation respecting the particulars of the Treaty, and we have reason to believe the foll Owing to be corral : The Treaty is founded on the Preliminaries, no collateral matter being introduced, except in one instance, wherein it is s:ipulated that an adequate compensation shall be given to the House of ORANGE for the loss of their Property and Dig • coming into Office, and which we:ire confident will be the policy by whicli, they will still b e g overnd) in every future transattion in which the Interests of the Country may be concerned. Last night Mr. ADDINGTON gave notice in the louse ofCommons of his intention to repeal the Encome_Tax immediately. This morning we received, a Dutch General BELLIARD, known by the command he had in the Army of Egypt, and particularly by his Capitulation at Cairo, has been appointed to colt mand in the ci-devant Belgium, "as a mark of the First Consul's approbation of his condua in Egypt• counts of the Preliminaries 'being signed, h.ice bee rl received with great joy pt the Cape of God Hot"' On Thursday HER MAJESTY will hold a Dra y " ing-Room at St. James's Palace. 're-morrow the Monied Interest have their first , interview with the CHANCELLOR of the Es, CH% . QUER respelling the Lan ; on Friday t he Biddi n g a will bemade, and the Bargain concluded ; and he Monday, the Minister last night gave notice, will open the Budget. • A partial illumination last night took plac e ' d s „, gun at the Admiralty-Office and Horse-G uar ha l Most of the houses in the principal streets in t o , Metropolis put up lights in the course a the eve ing. The grand illumination will be when the vra. clamation of Peace is made, after the Ratificati ons ' The arrival of Mr. MooRE and of TER, jun. the Messenger, who accompanie d et would have been more expeditious, but for of cross- accidents. They were obliged to' le : ye g e Calais in an open boat, which made 'their. Pa ss :rd. tedious and disagreeable, and between Dove r h ;i s e: Canterbury the pole and a spring of their c 'S broke, and in another stage one of the wheel - "s ver , feli, in consequence of which the carriage 14as i c s of turned.—These accidents occasioned the de" nine hours on the journey. we By the last overland Dispatch from In' l74 ,fri) learn, that the Fort William, W o rcestert i — pb t p• Cartle, Lord Haq,:ikesbuu, kockingban, arn i ',bee nix, sailed from -Bombay the 15th of Isltr ve- i i , elf last, to MahE and Anjengo, to complet e f v. lading for England. • The Vier Cruizek "" f t he turned to Bombay from Chi na . N o accoun t ° "The Earl cf Talbot so late as the 28th of JL"le' c nito' Hen.; Dundas arrived at Be nga l the - 23d bet-. • Jai PORTSMOUTH, MARCH 29.--Arrived hi tris His Majesty's Ships Latona and St. Fiorenzot Cruize ; the Lido Frigate, frOm the MccliterO f T.:.. and the Renard Sloop of War, from plymoucii63 This morning His Majesty's'Ship grool , verin e J;rii from Spithead, with orders for the Sufolkfr he re ) expeded from the East Indies, not to Come I n •ifo . t Downsaa t t c h ) e p i r min o c itn e hd e e d bfi d .ei oi i nrfer;t. favor u r f a h e N ,i ,e will be e nn in met withher, imd delivered the orders aceordinglo ' HAR w cH, M AR c n 20.--Tic: 'King , o ? f ifis , riackeL,capt: P. EANE, arrived at:five o'clocPioait Afternoon troth Re.voetsluv s, with the last e igo and Passengers, amongst whom were tWO " r kis ColirierS,,Of . the names of WASHA4L and MA sc° rar c rvi DEAL, MARCH .29. —Sailed to the We — av icAt the East India Company ' a Ships Glatten, Bra ti v i l Royal Charlotte, Earl St. Vincent, and Liiej together with the whole of the outward -b° ° ' MARRIED. g In Autumn last, at the I sl-of France Captain • fsaf;of the East-India ship Bellona, to Miss .M;ri4 SP r3tt? bury, Wilts. STOCKS, DAY. India 13,:miS NO' Excheq. lilt's 5. lre ol• I undable 11) ditto v at' 3d Excliequer 13 I\l4-,w S. S. Stec!: • 01111 - limn , t &Sit dank i t i l t k ) o e r i A b . r ir 3 i Ann, r 2 e r c 1 11 1 7 : 11 7 6 , '' 1 , 91 : 70 i a for ditto 69i. Consols for April i" PR ICE O f YXSTE Bank Stock Navy 5 per Cent. - to2M 5 per Cent. ►797, shut Irish 5 per Cent. shut 4 per Cent. Con. shut per Cent. Red. shut per Cent. Con. Ditto Scrip Bank Long Ann. shut Ditto Short Ann. Ditto Scrip ARMY AGENCY OFFICE , L01 14° ..05 2.1 . , Buckingham-street, Stranot . VTR. SOMERVILLE most reiPe 4li t t ,'L lY gell i c e e r t VI. leave to acquaint his Friends and the Alti l l o rri-St that lie has opened an Office at No. 2,1, 13uolci"tiliog telator Strand, London, Where'he wilLtransact evet,,Y n t ' C ‘ , o c , to the PURCHASE, SALE, or EXCHAI".3 his e ' s -d missions, as also the Half-pay Agency • „ nr i ,frol' for s ev'oc rience and knowledge of the business (11c hav i lv rFl'u t 0 years assisteclin conducting, that business in a v b ,' i lcas k ; House), trusts that those Gentlemen who :o'Y , i ,f, Sti , L.get favour him with their commands, will rrteet„Zb e ' footw r " tuition as will give satisfaction. His terms w"" • ;- and the greatest punctuality observed. "d) ac id! ' es fli e Peuongl application, or Letters (post - P al frogi • above, will be duly attended to.—Office Hours, till Four.