The Sun. — London, England, 1807-11-19 00:00:00

TO THE'EDITOR OF'7IIB . SUN. • .LEIFLRAV. iii. t `{ 's, Slt, I have delayed this Letter in h ipes:4( finding in the promised Articles of the leading Opposition Paper, on the subject of AMERICA, something by way of illustration, if not of ,defence; of the, Treaty con cluded by its PatrOns, but I still meet .with pothihg specific,. except as to the Eleventh Article, and• as to. the. Seamen, on. which subject the Treaty is Itshall, therefore, litoceecl in the, clet4iled, ainsiaeratinn•of the Articles. The 'copied iron the Si.rieentiV Article of the Tieaty of 1794, and relates tO iite appoint- . . ment And behaviour of Ccn is a good Article. The Eighth, foll , ,wing the Seventeenth. of the loymer Treaty, provides for the speedy decision o 1 cases lespe?.-Aing Vessels detained on suspicion of Enennes' property or contraband. " There is " added,'! says the American Abitrad, " a promise, "'WI ; the part of .01MAT BRITAIN, that hereafter " INDEMNIFICATION shall be gamed for, unjust " seizures; for detention, and .vexation." WIN is meant by this Was,agreed in the former Treaty, tit all proper measures, should be taken to pre "' vent delay in deciding the cases of ships or car goes so brought in for adjudication, and in the " . Payment or recovery of any Indemnification ad ": judged or agreed to. be paid to the Master or' Owners of such Ships.'. AU this: is very tight ;—in cases of Vexatious . seizurt,; the Cciuttr , of ADMIRALTY ought to decree the - payment of - the Expelees, of the Claimant, by the , Captor, and to assess the' freight, deMurrage, accord- —• • , ing to the degree in which the ` detention may be deemed 'frivoloiis or vexatious. Any stipula tion for Inderrinification, beyond this, which . is the usual practice, seems 'unnecessary ; and nais , damns also as every provisinnis, which brings to be decided, ns questions riState,mattcri which, con cerning Individuals, inity be safely lett to the.ordina ty administratiortof Justice in the Cotial-s . hilt it seems :IS if this, addith;n4' Stiptilatiolt 'were applicable only to seizures made Great Britain, it is true, is now Belligerent, and Amerio professes to be Neutral; but 'it Treaty, surely,'which is to continue fbr ten years, ought not to confine itiellto the. actual sta!‘iol . things, Without looking to contingent changes. I might tirgo this las a point of policy but.even supposing the contiu genCy to be more improbable than it is,. is. there not to be i iin . ceivcci' in the'Clause, so limitted, ti little too touch of the tendency to insert whatever stipu .lation AmitatcA clioe to ahlt t%itliout attending to the corresponding interests at Britain f 3 it let us 'couider the'Atnei ;eau Abstract to be untaitlifin,,as to the limitation to .Gre;it Britain Still denounce the additional ,Clau6e, if account • be so far 'correct, as either restless d•ritteictis • , useless, if reti.tfred. Merely to the judgments of the Court of Admiralty ;, clange runs, it intended to Wing every upon the State. At least, Sc,. let tti hear something.by way of planation. The Clause as it now stands is either not t.) be understood or sotto be defended. "1 have no objeak4'i to the Ninth Article, which adopting gener,illy the list of contraband contained iut the eighteenth of the former convention, excepts Pitch and Tar,' when not 'going to a Port of Naval ktiuipment. This distinaion . is ~ackklo'.l, l !i'lc g ecf in our Courts with respect to several articles of doubt :fill use, and there seems no occasion wtiich cwild mak , it i , ecessary to, destroy it, which'not equally - make it necessary to impose mach mate vigorono .-, restrictions. This:new stipulation, howt 6r, is also to be ichicd to the'list of those evidently inserted at the tegtioit of America. lam far from stating this , • its an objeaion ; but it Is indispensable that it should be , bertie in mind. 'The truth Article, whiCh acidsio the tatter part of the 'former eighieena (respeating l3lcickadb), the proN,,hiott that " PA:risen-gra not in the MrlitarY'Ser vice of att6iny . sh6ll. .not be taken and inadc /toners," does trot call for :pirticular obserVation. The order of arrangement now brings,nie to the ,Et.Evcwitt Article, which professes,twatliktst one of the moat difficult points of the Negotim ion:the ni teilerence of ,Aineriea in oar Enemy's culoui:ti Trade. littfora we begin 'upon tliih diwushiou it is paturi& to pause. The evil agaiiht which 'our:Mi• niitcr% had to provide wai _on ell'haucloCknowledgeri to be great, the remedy not onattoded with Olitfrolty. From their condoa as to Gill poirtto which the publication of " War in Dispise" has given tam ititcreSt, we shall,be better enabled, than. from Fitly other put of theTreaty,tonppreciate eorreMy the . ` talents of the late Administration, filch- knovvh.Oge, . and Sk4l, in that impOTlaitt virt of Diplomacy which r ooucerus - our ithiritimc rc11,64,1),„ give this Clati , ,o a ip , rnliar claim to 'atiention. It is oft Cilia, .and on thi, wJ /y, that the adluirers of the 'rrealy have ventori,d `po*itively to assert that the IlLnipmenna es wer.• intarrassed by shall state theAuzstion as 'it stood 'l - ;;n:111 extytine, the ;Illegationt or einbarrasiment, and mark ou't clear,ly the prtksions . qt"the ai I find it. We have already met with a plentiful share 'of' tonciliqtidn, thj approaching discus4on ascer. tam whethet" it .has winked tan& in, hand with FIRNINESS. I)ECIUS. 'MAILS. „ AAIUN ID-1 L— I Li 4bon, Dublin, 3 Water- turd. PRICE 01: STOCKS • THIS HAY AI. TwELVE O'CLOttt. . COHSUIS .- • ..• • - - • .. - - ".' •'••• 6.3. i T E S N. SOLLM QU DICSKX . FALSOM AUOLAT L 0" N D 11 7 , THURSDAY, NoVEMBER 19, 1807. WE yesterday expressed a hope that we should this day be able to account for many of , the SeVen . teen,Transports which were. then ,that hope has been in a great degree realized. We have Abe pleasure to state, that there are now only nine Trans ports unaccour.ted .for; anit we trust that in a day or two we shall have to announce the sate arrival of these nine. It may not be unpruper,upon thisoccasion, to advert to an assertion in a Morning Pant, though, indeed, it is almost,too'absurd to require contradic tion, viz. that 300 tnen welt; lust on their return Iron) Copenhagen. The ~ .fact is; that the whole number of persons lost out of such an itnimnse Fleet ,and Attily, navigating in the Most tempestuous weather ever reeellected,...does not exceed 200. With regard to the Observations in the' same Paper, respecting the Value of the:Stores brought home, we beg to state, that orders have been is sut:d for suri'vying mid valuing, and the Report of the Surveyors, which will•be made public, will at: ford the most satistattury answer to these assertions of the Opposition Writers upon this subject. Ad►uiral Ka r; has dropped down to'St, fielon'i with twelve Sail el the Line. The rapidity , with, which so considerable a Squadron has been fittecttbr sea refiecits the higheit credit upon the Admiralty,• and the Officers 01 the subordinate Departments. We mentioned saint time ago, that the Russian Fleet which has lately been' employed against the • Turks in the Mediterraneim, had put into Gibraltar. Some apprehensions were at that time entertained that it was the intention of the Ritssian Admiral to prueeed hum thence to Cadiz. We should have been eittreinely sorry lf.:.Admiral SINIAVIN 114 d h1.1 . (;11: an attempt), because it must have pro, Uticekl mop serious consequences, tor we hitie litrung re.ison to believe that it Was Like Orin intention of ttie AUtniral cumnimuiug the bioellacling• squa t-lien oif Ca6iL to .oppose their entrance, We lie“c it is Li fr bCl.(lt4 that theY should Nvinter iii :t ttisli Pert, . THE c 1 urocter . of the Emperor At.iy,xAN Lica stood 60 hi&l 111 generol l ll4 . loo befo., he osient'ect to the unfortunate Treoty of Tikit, that the, ‘ivOrtd, with whiitevyr 'justice it 016 '1"r4::.t),,, beeit th4psed to vterw that act of tto! L.tu peror vith regret rattier than indignatiu:l, tar as he %Vali cuhcarned. It *i~ to be hoped that he was he victim. of evil counsel turs--that. ht NV;I6 Cl.;cse lVcyd by the artifice, or tkrown into' a state of cbahterna, nun by 01'0 SLICt:O6S 01ttic' Eticibyr—and that ratlac- Lion iiits con rnecd imeoliey oftlio ;Ai d the degritLialicili winch aLteiklud Ha 'night sup- pose that the Ruler of the French Armies would he satiated With viaory, and to give the world ft:- pow,. But a Circqub iittice liar recQutly oecurrech which provewthat BUONAN,itt r clUtLi slut trikllllol3 Colliptit'e tilt - lie . lia4 to &teat; land brought the ell:gat:ter ot . his . adversarie to the state of It is well 1; that.' one of 1116 chief Masai's Wlliell tise Li;locrOr ;AL LX4‘11411 . 1 , !h ineo thy .War whit I.4*l'anc q , tvas the 6eiture ut dad thhtable anti uttutizetaing 1)4.4i:e LK, ilk a neutral .I.crntory, Joe the murder ut that pttloctui hate hritucit ut the lioutteuNs, with the tntiti mookety of a u La; but I.vititout Lift! slightest pretetwe 01 it just actusatiutt. hcre wits indeed soluelltint so inrueiti4 in (n4IL tratisitetion, that every Putt:N -(111e ,wltu felt a intver 3e w: ut his own iliginty _ Mit Nye recoiled With horror true) the idea ut, entering into paeltic relations with the chief author at it, tt,vu4,ll it might not.perhaps 113110 need deemed a lit. ground Ica . emional wiirtare. Such no - c ;ht. tie • stipposed, to b the sentiments' vl the MO turcti-;--311c11 were certainly the sentiments of 'the, Russian People .ind et ev'ery People on earth tit it had not lerfeited all Claim% tcy the eharatter et IT timidly, Could it. then he CO iCellCd that„-,of tile: lt.lCll ‘vilCi are at derytiutt tit IStril.:4.ll' VE, Ilt bilUtiht havn all be,a to 11 . 1 , 1tatitla ht icttic rei.itteiti* bet weet) him ond tilt; aN101.1411.311, Gellutai CAnLttVcouuer, the in) , ion the un- it instrument (.4 hiy wil”;eance ui ferred, that unlessint.'4ONArArvrc was an*ioyts to o*- rage the feelings, . a 4` to degrade , the character of the Emperor ALSAtinis, •be could not have • - chosen..for his Ambassador a man who must be hateful in' the., sight of the Russian Mo narch, And - an - Objeerof "abhorrehte and contempt 'to his silleas. At is impOssible to view thi% con duct of BUONAPAR'ia in any other light than as the wantonness of inSult,• arising froth the intoireatiOn: of pOWer ;: unless, indeed; it be . cOnSidered as a part of that system by which be constantly endeavours to bring disgrace upon All antient Governments, in order tO strengthen 'the new order of things which he has brought forkvard; which he has 'full rei= . son to believe must depend upon' his own life, and, will totter, into ruins the moment he sinks into the grave. 'lt is natural on this occasion . to picture what this country might expert. it' it were 'possible that, for want of due vigour, or an averseness to continue a struggle on which our all depends, we were ever to become victims to the 'rule'of buotlar',taTs. It he. can thus insult a Monarch with whom he has just ' entered into amicable Connexions, which he. Micas, to be desitous'of cultivating, how would he as to wards a,Qovernment and a People who:have So long bid defiance to his arms, and laughed at his me naces ! ! We-might .expeitto endure the full weight of his vengeande, and to be reduced to mob a state of oppressive bondage, as would render the lowest of his Vassal States happy in comparison with our sufferings ; and those sufferings would be embittered by the consciousness that 'we deserved our fate, since we should bring it upon ourselves, in opposi tion to'the dreadful lessons of a tremendous expe rience, manifested in the history of all countries that have fallen beneath his iron yoke. His MAJESTY held a private Levee, at the Queen's Palace, soon otter two o'clock,- which was attended by The Archbishop of Canterbury, the Lord Chancellor, the Lord President of the Council, the Secretaries i)t Slam: tor the: Home and toreign Departments, the First Lord of the Admi r4ity, the Master General of the Ordnance, the Chancellor 'of the Exchequer, the fudge Advocate, the Secretary at War, the Lord Mayor of London, Lords Lake mid Amiltrst, Admi ral Sir H. S. fitanhope„ eneral liloomflcid, Colonels Kobe, 17: 1 ArOey, 'larding, Lake, And Cookson, Major-Gene ral Finch,, Captains Foley and Bolton, IC N. Alderman Shaw, and Messrs. Menial' and Fawkener. The following hacl..the honour of being presented to His MAJESTY Captain Dolton, of the Royal .Nayy, of His Majesty's Ship Fis'gard, by Lord Mu'grave,. upon . Ms return IroM :Curafoa and the Jamaica station. • • . Major 1 1 ranklin, of the Roy 4 Artillery, ypon his promo. tient 'retain front Cope:lilt:4;GO. The Lord '.ll4,ypr of Lo:.4,ni, : upon his entering into his Office, by W. Olerlllail Shaw. • • Lieutcnani,t2pionci Robe, : of the Royal Artillery, upon.liis 'xcturn from Copenhagen. Vico. Aumiritt fir tlrnry Stanwell Stanhope, upon his bt:. ing VreAtql B.ironet, min upon return from Copenhagen. , I.ienrct; Harilioit, ut Ow Royal.Artiliery, upoti Its IC,: if,, tr.,nl Copentigeo. • ' ' . Mr. H c:71.4(10; Nlcklish, by Mr. his ,a.l,.:!iatary of Legatioll to Sicily, . . Aral -t, Ful,h, open his' return from (..opellhagen. Ljeut tieorge Lake, by'his father, Viscount Lake; • Up , ,in his promotion, troth half-pay, to be Lieut.:Colonel 01 the z9i?; itornetit. • . • Ci4onin georgo Cookson, of the Royal rlot4e Ar y,.npon his return from Copenhagen. - Captain Poky, of ,the Royal. Navy, upon his promotion to ,the lank of of Marines. Lieut...colonei 1) . AI - coy, of the Corps of Royal Engineers, upon his return from Cgpetillag:ll. General Isir.oinlield, , upon Ina promotion. Ht9•MAJESTY held a Privy Council, and gave au 'diences to the Cabinet Ministers present, and Mr. HBoNo. the Judge Advoeate, who laid before His MroasTv the Procleeding,s of several Courts Martial, At halt past five o'clock, Hiss - MAJ emir sot Oir oil his return to Windsor., • . Yesterday the QUEEN and ParwcassEs came to town frotif Windsor, and paid aviS'L am t 4tethe,s , ia e s i.en p t a l . a c b e k: '`Governessverness of the Priocesti*. at St. They afterwards -dined with his Royal Highness tluf ' Duke of Crimuniti,No, at his heuSe in the Kitchen.; 'Yard, St. James's . . Their Royal' Highness the Dukes . 1 of You':, SussEX', .arid CAMBRIDGE, were alio of the party: The Service (A plate . which was e ,ed u N i. this occasion, was entireiy of gold, and is said to have cA st 10,Q001. A party of dragoons were sta • tioned in . the Stable-yard.,from - the time of the Royal party's entrance' into the - Park, until after dinner (ahQuf o'clock,), when they returned to Windsor. A party of the Guards 'were 'st:tioheclabont hisi4oyal • Highness's door. TOarld the Palace, both 11,;t the entrance-and A great - cork:must; people as return of the Royal . Visitors to. dud: from the house Of their- Royal Host. The Princess'SOPMA was not stACieiitly "recOVer, ed yesterday to conic to loWn, The - Duke of - Poirt.i.tqn'was prevented -from . 'at tending His MA.illiTT yesterday, through tion, and an attack of the gout, of ' : which 'his Grace is contied, at his ,seat at Ilutstroda: It was not _to be expeaed that the late Orders kn._ Council should pass unnoticed by Neural Guyer -1 ) , Ments. said that the American Minister 'it s remonstrated against certain of their provisiens. e t have no doubt of Ministeri consenting to alter.atipi of the encroachments . which shalt. be proved ta. be,, inconsistent 'with the spirit of the Order. But it 'is quite clear that the ." hostile, tcndency the De- ' cree against the, American Trade," which it is said "-the" Merchants have been able, to trace," is an es sential part of the ":measure, :which is intended to, subjett . Neutrals to the same injurious trenttnent . .fromu!, as they suffer, without remonstrance, from . our Enemies. • A letter from Malta, dated Sept. 26, says,---" rrhoi report of the French troops bang in possession Cvph.thria and `'/.ante proVeti to be premature, and, - Viiili.)urfoundation, as the Master of an Imperial,' h in s w r t i i ir l it i t:t .l l,l i t t l t e 't (t e l l e i i i 4 t re h l e f ,::it i f t:::t o e h s e e f li r ' i r l :e l ) i t e si t t r c: s l i t ‘l t a roo n A 4 t p l o s e n ' m h t a b i d i a e rg t B t o o t was laid on the 24th_ inst. on all Daniih Vessels in this port. We have great'hopes that the negotiations, N A V-A L:- N EW S. t sbneV • 1?! if44,p,tigr,lit,. Nov. 17,--The line-of-battle ye4terday in Cawsand Bay, t11;t Norh ) 0 1 74 pns, from the Downs, 1 ~ •.TbaiToudroyant, of 80 guns, at anchor in Caw- . sand Bay, is ordered . to sea with all possible dispatch 11 Rear-Admiral BkIRTEE, whose Flag is flying on . board her, will this afternoon shift it to . the Sederß: plum; of 74 . guns,. in 1-lamoa;e, Arrived the Ships Cpyntry ..§;;;iire and Flora, fiora London, b o u nd to the ,West Indies, • • . having ad' allpt,P9l:l:toouth iq a gale of wind. Eliza, WitersoN, laden with 400 PTO of wipe„ . ftorn Oporto, drove from leer anciiors ici Himmaze yesterday, in a gale of wind, and struckoa the. West Mud, and • this morning sby fell ovet OP. har . oroadside into deep water, and h is feared will be lost, as well as some part of the cargo. She was Purtuguese Vessel, purchased at Oporto for the pig" pose ,of bringing off tha Blitish properly at that place. • PORTSMOUTH, NdV: 18.—The following 'are 114 names of the Transports which . arrived last IVlondsl' under convoy of the Minotaur, and six other M e 4 of War, from Copenhagen, last from the Downs,vil., Ann and Maria, Lewis, Ilornhy's Jupiter, Scipio, PO , Auckman, EaAle, Rolaeris, Nautilus, CfCOWS, Alg London, Scirrs, Endeavour, Cummings, lane, Corbett, fi" delay, Norman, Pearl, Harris, Hope, kitchcn, flora, I°4 " bert4; Essex, Welfred, Enterprizei Simpson, Neptu ne, WO ton; Atittihitrite, Chiverton, Eclipse, Richardson, .fi ° ' .Branscomb, Indefatigable, Helder, and Neptune, I ark. fvr Also came with the above Convoy, the Venus, 13q0.11, the West ; Robert and Sarah; Teasdale, 1641str°' and Coinwall, for jurriaica. ,. *11(4 yesterday the Ignirodik Frigate, Cat th e Hon. CAtiDOGN, and fiitiadano latoral-shlPt 4i44 a convoy for the Cape of GOod Hope, Arrived this dry the Pelican Brig, •CapC.l44.°l7' and Surly Cutter, Lieut. CRAWVORiNi from th e ; also the Hawkesbury, Youso , (t" Gibraltar) froth the Downs. &Wed the Hearty Gun-brig, with a on' -u - L; - - voy for . th'e Downs; among which are, tiie WlLooooss, Hdro, HEAOI,By, Aeti ve ; Co4 o, friends, SPARROW', and Henry, BATCHELOR. Went into Harbour yesterday the 4111010 Store' ship, late from New South Wales and the Di 44 meld frigate went out, Dropped down to St. Helens 01'13 day the MO' taut-, Defencf, Valiant, Brunswick, rilfted, Hercule, Againernnon, Superb, and Afars, 744/ and Ruby, vf,6 4 guts, SurcjiNr.ss, Nov:, 14.—Arrived the, Woo/I'l4A Lieut. Cox, with imprest m en :And vohkraaers the Ptert, and Prisoners, with which she procoo to Gillinghami and the - .l4i:da, '3B guns, Capt. 11. HONF.YMAN. Sailed the Platy, 5 4 gtitis, Capt. 1i0p.09041(4 ryacr,rtx F: , 0, ~1 !:; i. . Nov.i.LArrived the draen,t, 04 guns, Car t-4 .., .. .K. H. CIIANIBEALAYNEA from the Downs ; Xii° Sloop of War, is guns, from the North Sea; CGfi r I;atant Praam, 18 guns, Capt. A. It. 1410,01111' with . the Danish Frigate Iris, from. the Dovvrthl: der convoy ; Thunder BOnan, from the lathe OP G, CocKs; a Danish Frigate, . from the.Dowt na m e unknown ; and the _Deptford Tender, . tat Avia,ot, from the River, with iinprest men "' volunt'ee ' for the Fleet. --••- . • if ' Nis . ..' 6 --:411 ' h •; ?‘ • 1 .., Pws a, eavy; gale from E,-' i iitelit3l4•hits nearly druvgansliore.On the O a 9 ''.:deli4!;.J.lo- Mad O the sigtol, for §*stanee., . I, Afrived • the . Sparkler. ) . Li eut, J. S. A. • D i r i- a s i "from the DOwos ;. his Majesty's Ship 'ThisixA " guns, Capt. —...- ; and Cen.'or Guu-brig. ,s Last evening',. at sum set; his Flag on board the Nu m'Or, haying obtaill 4 " l4 * of absence. . Admiral Wet,Ls sir; ;witty , Nov. t7.--Arrived His I%rlajesty's Ship ' 5 Capt. tiounsoN, the wind . having blown iio tit r q ° M' ' from the Eastward. . • • ide Nov,. 18.—The i'ultuie Slocip .of War has 117 i, : signal for convoy , to the Baltic : if she cannot OOP, -any. .Vessels at this place, Will proceed to the itte. berifieuthat purpose. . ~ , . , . 'a o's 0. ~,Thitotir,a .Court-Martial was held on, bog . P=Majeftvis Oip.,4lugnanirn,e, for the trial of the Sir‘ ~.. i.gtont.okaille. 11<anderer Sloop of War tor dren t ` cr ' ed !intiss•lJAP.tharge being proved, the Court ;0/ 14 i.‘ . . 1 1 hitilli. l be dismissed his Ship, and to serve ill an}' C iv , ' Ship,, before the ,roast, the Coannander, in. might , be pleased to point out. , • .f,'e Cul' -Last evening four seamen, belonging t o tr.- . je • tune, lowered ;the . Jolly-boat from thes!erei . 11/P , off '..i.eitla her , . and . h'aye not bind i been heard Pi• Jvirhxedlilis Nlajesty:s Ship Resolulion. ,i I '!Striled the:Nassau for Mil. t",' • 1\- ":`h` .r., ailed thrOugh Downh 18.—S s the Ow - 0* River, to the Westward' 0 . 0. Listerh for i,_ The Galen, Stedman, for Boston; H airittt 00000b7; bap ; Two EneloiS, Donald, tor Tortola ; 14,r, v . 0 11 Cook, for Antigua ; Princess ot Wale*, M ''''';ol l4 ,, , houn;h, Seencer, and the hque*tr'ir*,,tinwn, t0r . , ‘... roc 0 . is Remain in Inc Down* thu b hip* Ai pa' last !,Araivi Al‘ . ..1.._ kit:Ili:1(U .J.i, for GrOoknia ; .A(113/011, 1,110"1.• ' _• ...•_ 4-...••