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tiarriety, tne Insolvency Go 2-F .. vernment, and the pestiOn could tint be taken aS'a Mere question of tart ; but the whole must be take n together, the ' tad as well as the inference that was drawn from it, of the I nsolvenc y of Government. He dd not wish to fix the HOli. Gentleman with the exalt words Which had been imputed to hitn,but thethe Hon. Gen tleinan h ad not told the. House what words were Which h e u s e d, The 'Hon.' Gentleman (Mr. C OURTENA Y ) h a d ar g ue d, as if hi s Right Hon. Friend (the CHA2 . 4F Et. I: OR of the . ou h g a n d taken, a wrong . ground, in .observing, ha n d h now Ave the Hon. Gentleman (Mr. • RoasoN),.. proofs hundred of the assertion which he . made, they amounted to nothing, , , because he had only a :single fact in. his - possession, w hen he made that . however, had assertion. His Right Hon: Friend, t his. argument was ad not argued . in that way,. u (Mr. Roasow) only, dressed to the Hon. Gentleman •tion, when he .was only who having made am assertion, aware of a single faa which_could support that as_ section, ought not now to bring . forward other filets in its support, which he was ignorant of at . the ust time he made the assertion, as. the assertion m the information had, wh en heo mad e . e Judg e d accor di ng i.t. He . adm t i o tted, that circumstances had taken place similar to that brought but hOw was 'the forward by the 41 . 0 0. Gentleman * .iMr , r. o ii sor ffed 'd by Al lem ~.......- O ne of credit of Government a e called - upoti_:.by the very Gentlemen who .hadbeen th ' .7 liOn. 'Gentleman; a City Member, had stated ; that th e B an k ers of the City of London were always i': l ready t e - the Bill s o f G overnment , even pietc rence to a II others. He thought. it -was not righ t i n the Hon. Gentleman, to bring forward a subjed of this nature, or to cause a discussion of .this ki n d to go forth , to the Public, patticularly as the n ame of the_ Hot , : Gentleman was already so well the" in the Public Papers, whilst that House alone' had the honour alid the happiness of being able Properly to estimate his observatlons, The ma!t . er . • n , 1 . 1, rested o wi t h t h e Hon. Gentleman; if be w_lth IrelY the i n f erence - which' he had made, or, if he (P4 ' said, h e never Made such an inference, there T was no occa s i on to go any farther : the Hon. Gen.t ie 'nan, howe ver , had nit done 'this, but seemei till to haVe a reserve. 'lt was impossible there couki be any real imputationlof Insolvency thrown upon Government, . nor was there any possible . occasion for granting the Hon. Gentleman's Motion. I. llr. A r " :1 - 1 D-eiLL said, he wished to put the Learned Member righ t , who had asked the Hp uourable Gentleman to Withdraw' his Motion,. as ' b y the Jules of rebate, when- a Motion. was . °ni ce put from the Chair, it was in possession °I the,. House, and could not be withdrawn unless the , muse gave kave. H e also wished the, Hous k e . ~,Yould dispose of the Motion as they ,"csts hwould b• . might thin . . was received ult..- e- by negativing it • .for if it as a Member near hi.m(T.Vir, Co . .t _ r N"),' had proposed least by negativing rt,.i . 111°u ld he an admission of the ta6ts , he thought Title 6tl , : i erwise, b ut it would be an, admission, that the Ise had a doub t on t h e Subjed,.by acceding - to suL l .i 1 Motion, which was as unexpected and unauthorized, Lnd of as unwelcome a nature, to both sides ~o f t h he. ,„ —° use, as could - be,conceived ; at. the' same tun; , e , ~- " u s t observe, that Ministry 'were dealink .: ,raiher b ru elly and hardly with the Hon. Gentleman, intrying e d iminish hi s ri s i ng r eputat i on, wh i ch•could only l ttribu te d to their envy of the impression which ' ' cand e was 'making on the cou n t r y ; b ut t h e y oug h t i n ou r to recoiled .the many unsuccessful' efforts, da ys, fter day, a n d month afier month, the 1-lon. Gen_ Lean had made on_different - subjeds 7 ,they should i'`°lleft his. arithmetic without figUres, his chrono.. ii3gy without dates, and his, history, except in this .stance, Without fads ~---=.-it‘Was cruel to dep r iv e Il' a m of th e cre d it of one single lucky hit which h e ev ,nlade in his' whole-Parliamentary , 11 life-7-ow ltanceer).-if Gen t l e M en were to judge'from thin irl , tt , he t h er there w a s any latent ..opposition to . 4113 ear, hereafter in the House • and, if it was to . to . • h,, 4/ } - I ,'.,'"e as •it had begun, sometimes appearing in 1 .„, i ., - -,4 -tt of. interrogations, and • sometimes as .pro, r,'esY3 and new in the 'form of a bill of tlineteen pout* t iirteen shillin gs ' and fo urpence, h e t h oug h t Minis:. ,'.7 might .be eas :,. 0 be sure y eno ug h as t o the corisequencea.-7 vli ., nistr it had b een sa i d, that the ytuatiun of litie s ye . -I rouir ec more than super human abi. ' yet Ile v4l° wished them well, and thought Well of them, believed they had nothing su per.hurnan about th em . no more man he believed they were " ri very able andvery honest men, vhose only wish Country (ii., their COuntry would 7 to serve their • and that they permit them), had alma. 7 . e. Patience to the purpof e ; but it 'nth which were adequate ton el:comptish, if they 3 bi ll tieS co u l d . rn ,. IIS t be more than any human . . , condud of Clerk 1 a bill of rri • ' Y could regulate the_ It office,"andmanage so that r,. nee , . neteen.Po.4nds thirteen shillings and four. 7 ,_,lt ,should never be presented twice for pay- . r: , ..4--For the reason he had already given s he wa against the Motion, 4 , 4 . .. . cal ' ,'" YON.ES said, the Ho* Gentlemanliad. h ut l" his Hon. Friend's assertion " a god tour e thought i t a b a d hit for the Ministers of hist ,the which Y• He ne was n ot • present • on that 'evening; I, e ll he must call. a Stormy Sitting, when his tion , he rte n d in .., . t age the assertion, but when he heard of it,, _ LoPght it was ay up. It was very extraordi- -...1), however that IVlinisterq . should be so 'alarmed turn this subjea, an d that neither the CH ANC ELLolt tile. RX e n EQD E It who had been twelve months in -Office ' . nor the Secretary. at. War, nor the Secreta ..,r_le, of the Treasury should' know any thing about . " though it was no'' admitted to be a common Pra4ice• Proofs Proo His Hon. Friend was prepared with i• , anti would bring forward damning proofs to i irobora te the assertion which tie .had made,. if 1 3 Motion was ranted ; and h e contended it ought I 0 be ac granted to. , ?hr CRANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUE;; Dee r explanation, said, that the assertion which had by made on Thursday evening, and acknowledged ,-,Y . the Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Ronsor:) . , - was, that , ‘at anvernment Acceptances had been refitsed.,payment :nPublic Office,. , Th . c Hon. Gentleman had . made is. assertion when he only knew at the time of one ..n.titary instance ivhere this' had happened.-- He.- _Wished novV, with the.perrnission. Of the House, - to, 't_ ate a cireumstancesvhich. lie omitted before, natlife.- t`roY) that the Bill Was. prelented. for payment by a. l in • - • - . - ; -- ! . indigent circumstance s ;_h , was , . des.r. au of having this tircuMstatlce explained. • • .41.LEX.4DER said, 'he was oue `of those who called upon !the Hon. Genilernan Rota_ sox), on Tluirsday evening, either to produce proofs of his assertion or to retract it. He insisted that Gentleman Hon. gcntlean did on that evening exptessly mention the InsOlVency of Covertiment, and that what the Hon. Gentlerrian afterwards 'stated, •was merely to explain how that circumstance had hap- . pened ; that the Hon. Gentleman had also expitssly asserted that Government Acceptances had been payment at I s 'ublic Offices. It was not merely therefore a question about a Bill, but relative to those assertions which had been expressly made by the Hon. Gentleman. Mr. RILEY ADDINGTON said, he merely wished to make an observation relative to the stir prize expressed 1.) - S' ' the Hon. Gentleman (Mr. , JONES), that the Secretaries of the Treasury should be ignorant bf the circumstance of any acceptance of a Public . Office not having been" paid. Had a Trea sury Acceptance not been paid when it became due, he supposed the Secretaries of the Treasury would have known something about it ; but how was it possible that they should know every transaction which took place in every Public Office under Go veriwient ? He knew this however, that if the Commissioners of the Sic - k ,and Hurt - Office had ap plied to the,Treasury for money, stating that it was immediately wanted, and therefore requeiting that the usual forms might be dispensed with upon such an occasion, their request would - have been complied with, and the money immediately issued. An Hon. Gentleman (Mr.CouRTENAY), had stated that when he was in Office, when that was, he (Mr. ADDINGTON), did not know, the Treasury had fre quently refused payment, alledging there was no money. He had been but a short time in Office, but so far as his knowledge extended, he could po. sitively assert, that the Treasury had never, in any one instance, refused to make good its engage ments. Dr. LAWRENCE said, that the question was, whether the Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Rossox), had alledged any sufficient-ground to justify. bis, Motion ? he thought that not a , single word had been alledged by that Hon. Gentleman which. could tend to 'prove that any thing conducive to the public , utility • could be derived from the present Motion, which he should therefore oppose. The circumstance which had been made the subject of discussion, had.arisen in this way ; the Sick and Htirt.Offiee, as, well. as several other Offices, were forinaly .tinder. the en tire controul and tnari client of the Treasurer of the Navy, who could : not therefore make_; up his accounts till the ac4ounts of all. these ~Offices were settled ; now, however, these Offices were immediately dependant upon the Treasury, with respeet to pecuniary concerns, and it might there- Tote- very probably, happen, as they bad not Trea suries within themselves, that they might gome times be without money ; this was an inconve nience, but so also was the former, and there was only a choice betweer. two. inconveniencies.—The fact, however, brought forward by the Hon. Gen tletrian fMr. ROBSON), proved, nothing. Dr. LAW. RENCE was proceeding to advert to an expression used by him on a former; evening., which had been noticed by an Hon. Gentleman (Mr. ARCHDALL), but was called to Order by the SPEAKER, and after a short explanation, sat down. Mr. WiLBERFORCE observed, that if a - party of 'Gentlemen were met at a dinner, they might make such a subjea as the present a matter of.dis. cession ; but when he considered the various im portant objeas which ought to occupy the con_ sideration of thenouse of Commons, he thought the time and the attention-of the House were very much 'wasted in- discussing the subjeCt now before them. -The Hon.-Gentleman (Mr. Ronsox) had drawn an . inference from a fafi, which, it appeared, was only part of a pra&ice that had existed for -many years ; if, however, as - was .adtially the ease, the Public Credit had remained: wholly uninjured by this prac tice,. then the present Motion was not deserving of the least attention, If the Public Offices were not alloWed -to keep large sums of money in hand, it must sometimes happen, -that they would -want honey; and lie thought it better that this-should take plate, than that large sums of Money should be kept in - those Offices. There was no circum. • stance stated, nor could any infeince be drawn, that could, in the least,' weaken the Public Credit, and -he thought the better way„ would be not to .waste any further time in discussing the subject. • " Mr. ROBSON said, he had 'been called upon -to state the words which he had used on Thursday evening. He had then said, _that payment of an Acceptance,. at one Public Office, had been refused (11 cry of—ANo).-- 7 -He wished for the Papers for which he had moved, in order that he might prove, which he knew he could do, that Acceptances, - at the Office in question, had been refused payment in more than. one instance, and that from such Bills . not .being punctually paid,' a great disadVantage aiose. -Knowing this, he did nor consider,himself . ..to blame in bringing forward an instance of it which _had come to his: knowledge: He asserted, that this prattice 'prevailed in other Offices to a great extent, • Which he would likewise prove, if the House would grant him the necessary documents if they would not, how, was he to prove it ? .He considered that he had done his duty in hringiag the subjeCtforward,. and he kneiv that-there were many gills in the saute situation: The CH4NtELL6R of the EXCHEQUER said,. the Hon. Gentleman lidd now confined his sertiontd an Acceptance being refused at one ..Public Office ; but he *as, confident that the *p - 1-, penta. man did say, on Thursday eveningi that gos.erp ment Acceptances had been refused,payment Ile Offices. • Mr. N. / I ,;INSITt4RT said, . gatt 14. circ.uni . stance Alluded to, was nothing new, as it was only part of a cOnimeort prktice which had. sxisted for .severat years ; but he was authoril'ed ; by Gentlemen in the Sick and Hurt Office,. to say, that none of, the. Bills Of that Office bad ever hen protested, nor had :any stepkeli . ir been taken by th, Holders ; to re . (Over their arnoPne. 211 r. MARDlNsaidi he did not think the Hon. Gentleman (Mr.- RoxisoN)' made use of till word :Insolvenei, at l e a s i h e (Mr. MAR:TINY did not lair film, .Mr. DENT stated, 'that he called the ffpn.,Gen tleiilin (.Mr. to Order on Thursday, be:. . . Cause he -Lid :diitinaly tincierstoed' him to charge Government with Instilvetiey, from having refiised pay meo t--to' Aceeptanc es . •.. Mr. MOORE attested the correCtneis of the statement :61 . the CHANCELLOR of the ~ExctlE Q,IYE it, ,and Said; there , c ould be no necessity for granting the present Moiibn; as the last was admitted, and 'the HOP.. Gentleman (Mr: kOi3sdn;) himself had rejeeted the inference. T here was no_ thing in the circumstance alluded to. Which could in any manner atteet the Solidity of Public credit, and he thought such disetfssibPs as the present improper, as they tended. to eicite , an unfounded alarm. " The Ho.4,!h e en i_ d ivided on the Motion of :the CHANCELLOR O f th e EXCHEQUER. For it - 79 • Against it -- After Strangers were re-admitted, the Report of the Cinnamon Doty Bill was brOught up, read, and agreed to, and th e Bill o rdered to be read a third time to-morrow. Accounts . 'were presented 'from the East India Companyrelative to their Servants ar Bencoplen; which were.ordered to lie on .the Table. Adjourned at six o'clock till to-niorrow. THE SUN. SOLEN: "QtJiS DICER:E FALSUM AUDEAT ? LONDON, 111 1 1 CII zo, iBoz. UNLIKE our Cotemporaries, we have sedblotisly abstained from . agitating the Public Mind by the communication of every idle rumour which—may have been .- afloat respeling the Negotiation at Amiens: Satisfied with the , superiority of our sources'Onkelligedce, we shall not fait to make *.the earliest cotanibniciltion of eirctOnstances - , when any such occur as we can with propriety and confidence impart to „our Readers. .- The line of . conduct , which we have adopted. upon this im. 'potiant;OCCasiOn; precludes . us from paying any at tention to a report received`this morning front but which some of our ill-informed Cotempotaries may probably very pompously — detail. -We - are well assured that no Official Communication has either been received from, or made to, the Marquis CORNWALLIS for the last three days. - • WE this morning received an imperfea set of the Paris Papers of the 6th inst. by the way Of lictt lope. They are principally filled with Extrads from the German Papers; and consequently contain numerous speculations on the important subjea of Indemnities. It appears by Letters from the South of France, that they have again suffered "very cOniiderable da.. mages in that quarter, from inundations. , Letters from the Banks .:of the Meig, dated the r6th ‘•rcbruary, state, that M. de liiitrowiTZ, the Hussian Minister, 114 d a Conference at Berlin ,with General BELT NO . NV ILL E, the French Ambassador, upon the subjea of Indemnities in Germany. The Conferences lasted two days: when they.. were over, M. de fIAUGSVIiI communicated the result to His MA J ESTY, and General BEURTIONViL L E immediately sent off Courier -with Dispatches' to Paris. It is understood, tjTat many propositions' have been made ro the Cabinet of Berlin,-relative to the Dutch) , ofillea/en:/irg. We are not ignorant of the desire of the French Government, that Prussia - should cede. , all her PQSSCSSions in Westphalia, as well as those to which she forms pretentions, to some Secidar . Prinee, in' lank!' that the frontiers of Prus sia, and those of France and Holland, may be removed farther from each other; but the Prussian Ministry are equally persuaded; that by concearrating the Prussian States, their alliance with France will be more strongly cemented. The great difticulty, how_ . ever, is to find States of equal 'extent and equal pc 'pulation, to indemnify the Coprt of Berlin. Several German Papers state, that the KMG of SARDINIA will be ihdemnified in Germany , and that another Prince has renounced the Indethnities which were primiised him in that County. The French Funds have risen a litae they are at 56f. 45c. COPRikIIiAGEI4, FEB. zo.--The I%ty established the lid of March last yeaf, on the Passage of the . . Belt; is annulled by a Decree of His Majesty,• on a reptesentation rrawlOtby the Direeton-General of the Port's. • tr F N 1 13 . tteg linent ilvissars of the. GRAND' 'DUKE TIIRDINAND, nnd that of Duke•Acs'EßT, are destined to attend the tbiri t ots at Piesburg, whilst he; &sides ,at the Hungarian Diet ; a'nd they lairel'ecei4ed ot'ders'atcordingly; ._ ' THIS morning the Hamburgh Mail arrived in ciiurse. It is wholly barren of Intelligence. A Letter frpm CO ; o f nsta, H t_nop_e; Jan.- r 5, states, that an Embargo laid bf afe English on the Ships about to . sail with mer.chandize from Byrn. had given occasion to rottch conversation there. . -tf. . 4r PLYMOUTH, MARCH S.; itte Renard Sloor; of War; roifi Cruize ; Lady Charlotte, EvANs; and the Countess of Cardigan; HILLI ftotii Boar: deaux. PORTSMOUTH, MA i 4; SAILED His' Majesty's Ship firootver:oie; id the assistance of the Childers'l3tig of War; on shord near the Needles ; and Cra-zi'm Piircej Kiißiica JACOESEN, for Lisbon: SHEERNESS, I\l4ilticti 9; YESTER DAY, after I S OSt, , sailed His Majesty'i Ship Di/iv/ire; of 22 gum, Capt. JONEii for Y;r; Mouth. . iLlqyd's Afairh i t IsB2. The Sttbscriberi for the. Relief of the Sufferers, \ under Command of Lord Viscount NELsorr and- Duke of BRoi;Tc, in the Chnnriel, ire of that a§the . Stibseription is so striall, that the division should be deferred. for the present; as they are in hopes of having it increased; Besides the.Squadions destined - to,,reinforee our Fleets. - on.foieigi) stations; a Channel Fleet of thirty 'sail of the line,, including fifteen three-deckers, will, .in the course of a few days, put to sea tinder the Command of Admiral Cor r ucwALLlS ; and the North Sea Fleet, under the Orders of Adaiiral •• • sort, which is now - receiving supplies of Seamen from. Sheerness, js also exreaed to sail before the end of the. preSent week. An order was received at Portsrnotith Dock-yard . on Monday,' to store and. fit for sea - immediatOy the Winrisor • Ca i/6 of 9S guns, Vice-Admiral MITCHELL ; the Prioress Royal, of 98. pins; Cap. tairi Mitt NS ; and the Julies of., So gtius, Captaiii .Sir Eor,tuNpi NAeLE. . • • An order. was dispatched on Monday to Wool.:, %Vick, for several thousand harinnciekS to be sent off direa,ly for: 'the equipment of ships and the beSt bower cables, which, since - the, signing of , the Pre liminary.Treaty,have been 4istontintled' in many of..our Men. of \Vat, ,are,. bY_Ordet of the Adrui: raiiy, 'to, be brought "again into general use.. CORN EXCHANGE; io; clay shop slip Ply of Wheat, which -caused rather an advance. ; Barley - continues plenty .and i tricierate ;- Oats, from. .the, many arrivals, are nearly l'iefoie,. but Einq Seri.. remain dear Rape Seed a and loti cr. .. . . . . 3 , 4 Wheat ,- ~ 61*.s 'jtis a S . .is ocl 13canS (new) 4os a s O 4 Filieiiii:" ..- - ' s's A S6s od, Tick carp -28 S a 3zs 64 ;Mag.:::: .44s - 46,5‘ . a SOS- Ott Oats .-: '-; -: I ,igs a 22s oti. Fin* do. , : „04 a 53 - sod Toland do; ... ,_ 22S a 24s Nil "Barley' .. . 4?S ' a .43$ 41, I. Rape„,Scect .. 32 . ..l ,a j5l per lakt Yine ttour 6os a 63s per sack 'a t os per do. I Rs lli c ire7Vjase, •— • z 41.0: a 4 4 5 4 :' . 9 dz tt i 1 Sccoud-Oo: 53s • . yesterday the RO'lrta FAM iLi came to Towri frornWindior,' to Buekinghaiti Wt ate . happy' to inform the public; that Lord Rilaftis,:-Whd Iris been very:dangerouq ill for some _time at Siratfieldsay, isin a vety gradual•state of amendment: . . . Yesterday - the LORD MA:x6lt,. Ordered the,prkti • .• . Of Bread to continue atload the Qqartetri . Loaf. Yesteitiirk was the last day on which the 1-4ack. ney-polchtnen could claim the pdditiorial fareS °it what is called the 25 per cent; The Minister ofPolice of the Italian, RepUbliP has forbidden the use of an d+ - titlP; except that of Citizen; throukhoUt his country. -Theterni Zen will beCome so common; that it will; ere long; be 6 . nsideted as disreputable, initeati,of, denoting A person. of Worth; and Charier, atcording to its ancient and proper ineAning: At the end of the Play; at Drury Lane Theatre, fast night; Mr. KEittELF came fbrward; and by de. sire of the Proprietors, informed the Audience, that the Funeral of the Most Noble FiANcts, late Duke 9113inioRO, 'being. fixed for to-morrow, the Theatre would be closed for that evening. On Sunday the 2 - Bth tilt. as the Reverend Mr. SMITH,. Ream' of Sr. Michael's, Winchester, and one of the Minot' Canons of that Cit-y, was per.: forming his afternoon duty in the - Cathedral, and had just read the text of his Scram, suddenly hii voice faultered i ,. and he fell back lifeless. 1 - le - Was immediately taken fume, but every endeaidur to re store hint proved. ineffectual: A mule; which carried part of the baggage of ,King William 111. at the haute of, Iloynei died a feW days since in the County of Meath. Loid DErt By had a very hard run' With his stag.; hottrAls on 'Friday last; and on Monday Morning at eleven o'clock, the deer - was turned but before a very large field at Haddingtoa,' five miles beyond Croydon.. The usual , law_being given, the hounds were laid on; and went °Tin very high stile across the tottutsry to Bromley Common; Farthing tiowni &c. T4lekieet. bting frequently headed, kept . travers. ing the ?country in different ditetckions, and was at length taken near Blechingly church, after a very se. were-run ofitwo hotirs and thirty-three minutes. O'n the night betwixt the id dnd 3d inst. the Post-ifoy 'from. Peebles_ to Howgate *as robbed. Sunday se:nnight the Lord's Stippet havin g been dispensed in the Burgher . Meetinghouse atNew:: town; hetr,,i,xt ,Melrose and Jedburgh, - ,in.Scotland, it rti.6retli;9C-*trally crowded, and in the middre of the ern-k•rw one of . the gqlleries save way: i ) iovi-; dentiallY lives Were - lost, but rnFty . Were con.si derably.hurr:Vnil'in..,-Wornan so severely; that little hopeS of hc'r reto'Vtiy are entertained: Matters were;. lfoWever, itirst got adjusted, and the sera vice p/oceeded: On the ri th pft rho'htl . a person;' sold at the Market' Cross, tri PNpel-en-le-Frith, t wife, a child, and much fo rtliturc 43 would setup a beg.; gar, for eleven- shilii;is I