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I CHANCELLOR took put, the Bill was read a seeped time and warred lo be commilted on Wr.taeaday twat Lord ELLEN BOROUGH mowed that their Lordships should he summoned for Wednesday next. Us the motion of Lord SH A FTESBURY. their Leirdehips adjoursat at a Quarter put Nine u'Clock till Moods: ssxt. is 7. HOUSE OF COMMONS, FRIDAY, •• Tile SPEAKER look the Chair at four o'clock. • PUBLIC-HOUSE LICENSING. Vr. BLACKBURNE presented several Petition, from Brewers Pend Publicans I. the Conti if Laseasier against If. • 4. Licesaist Bill. Mr. EGERTON prINISMeda SWUM Volition ft 114.-. Chester. '' z Mr. RECTAL look the opportunity of saying, that he tad been mirrepreseoted in several Pipers, no having said that then were so abases in the licensing system is the country. He bad never meant to say so; but he had pro. tested against ally distinction being drawn between lite between is London and those in the toiletry. • ' The Petitions weer laid on the table • Mr. ST A. TAYLOR fixed the 25th isalast for hiriagiag wa his motion relating lu fits Court of Chancery. BUTTER TRADE (IRELAND). lir U. BURGH presented. Petitio• from reveral Farmers Lasdholders in the Coons, of Carlow, in Ireland, prep int for protection to the batter trade. . Lord G. BERESFORD permeated • Petition from the Barony of lifiddleilird, is the Comity of Waterford, praying for protection to she butter trade. Ike N. COLTHURST patrolled his motion fur • Com mittee of the whole Hoene, ow the wabjert of foreign bitter, be Friday, the 14th. He mated that he dirt so in bores that Ism Majesty's Minis/ern soviet in the interim attend to the tepresootatioas which had been made to them, sad by brbtaleg the ssbjed forward themselves relieve his Net the eievesity of doing es. The Petition. were ordered to lie on the table. SS:the motion of Mr. C. CALVERT. the Metropolis 01. Regulation Bill was recommitted, for the purpose of Medeting arenal amendments which were agreed to, sod ordered to be reported on Monday next. Mr. BENNETT preseated • Petition from the Tanners of Salisbury, praying for a total repeal of lb. leather lax.— Ordered 1.• lie on she table. fbe ATTORN EY.G EN ERA L presented • Petition from E Mr. F eemit arr rrton. , ma Aker of the Court of Chancery, praying £sir • consp The Middlesex County Rates Bill was read a seeoad tialgi sad ordered to be commented. Mr. CA LCRA FT eomplaised that an order of the House for • Return of certain matters relating to the Court of Chancery, is the deparieneet of that office, bad been 'imper fectly complied with, so Emotion Mein been made of the *oils thereat,. The AI - CORNET-GENERAL said he would make is sprry into the eireumstasee mentioned by the Hots. Member, amid rod to have the ammiseion supplied. After • few words from Mr. ABERCROMBIE mad Mr. M. A. TAYLOR, the Petition was ordered to lie on the • gable. Mr. BEAUMONT prevented • Petition from certain Owners and Occupies, of Land in the County of Northum. Devised, complaleing of certain ',levitates they suffer from the Bone Tax. 94r T. ACLAN D presented Petitiouts from the Hundreds of Axminster mid Collumpieu, in the county of Derou, somplaining of Agricultural Distress. These Petitions were ordered to be laid oe the table. YORKSHIRE POLLS BILL. Mr. C. W. WYNN moved the ..coed reading of the Yorkahire Polls Bill. ' Mr. CHA LONER opposed the Bill. It teemed to have 'originated in the fancy of the Right Hon. Gentles's, mod the freeholder, of She county of York bad nothing to do ' with it. As far en they were concerned, indeed, Oman all 'were opposed to it. It west to deprive them of half their franchise, arid he (kir. C.) and they were at • loos to coo• .bat they bad dune be merit such treatment. He therefore moved, as as emeedireent, "That the Ball be read a•iteriond time this day six Months." Mr. RAMSDEN rose to support the amendment moved •by his Hon. Friend. The vplsino of the enosity of York es 'bra subject might be gathered (solo Skis circerestanre, that tee fear Petitious in firmer of the Bill come °all from places *bleb' mast be materially benefited by it. At a niceties of the Grand Jur y, who petitioned against it, where twenty-one out of tereety.two Grand Jurors Weeded, seventeen declared ~at Gate afentlillt the Bill, and four reserved their opinions, of whom three had since declared against it. He concurred in the obaervaiimsa of his Hoe. Friend as to its operation os their fraechitee. He now had four vote, for the county, but if this Bill passed he should only have two. Mr. WILBERFORCE looked open the principle of di. vidieg events's, es proposed by rids Bill, as a most danger- ~~ i; . . . use precedent; and there was oo reason why, If adopted in this 'sateen., it might not bereaffer be applied to other could've. Founded as it was on the plea of lessening the expense of contested elections, it might eves be equally as well applied to par. ieular tonne. The town of Northemp. toe, fur 'distance, had been said to have occasioned the rum of no less than three noble families by contested eleetioes. Mr. C. W. WYNN said, that he and those who trooturred wills tom i• ant opposing the transfer of the two Members to tlieCounty of York *bee the Borough of Grampahad sees diefreochised, did.. us the soderstanding that the wok of "electing the Members for the mealy of York should be read derail •s subject to suhrolneot regulation. A Noble Lord (Myron) coonected with the comedy, the cause of whose 4111. state he sincerely regretted, had in the last Sessinu proposed that the county should be formed into thee. or four electoral dm - pieta, where polls should be optred for the full Dumber .ofiltrisbers, but that he (Mr. Wylie) conceived would carry with it all the i fence of a division of the comely, ao proposed by this Bill, sod nose of its advantages. Oa the inquiry hi the Committee on the Bill for lessening the ex pense of eoutested elections by shortening the flotsam' of the rills, it •ppeartd that at the last cunte.ted election for Torksblie no live than 23,000 voters were polled; and many went back without voting, not beiug able to reach . stir* , in time; and every one lsen that die ounibeikkad One. been greatly increased by the subdivision of properly. thertiren thousand was as berg* a number of electors as cetera be conveniently polled at one place, and the West Riding slime contained 'leerily that eumher. The increase to sM number of Members to be elected "resold reek, else tested elections more frequent. And he would ask whether is was fit that the county should ecoulnife liabte to so great • Nit as meet be bioseht upon it be such contests, when it was admitted that 100.0001 might be fairly laid out in one slectio• without any irregular expense of treating, bribery, ar any thing of that sort lie was satisfied that this was • avessure that mast mouser or later be furred upon them, sod we time •ppeareei to him so k for its adoption an Ibis, whes two additional Members had hems giver to the county, Lord NORMANDY wished the House to passe before they pawed a measure, as inimical to the lute:ems as it was. sibeoltious to the feelings of the persons conceived. Uri HOTH A M supported the Bill. Mr. S. WORTLEY said that there were double interests to rejsreeeet—those of agriculture and those of commerce. The coolly was by far the must considerable fur wealth Ned intelligence is the kingdom. The representation must, there. fori, always be an object of pride to the Members who es jetted that hoarier. Although the county bad done Duthie' to deierve it, there was au advantage in the possession of the new Illeiwilete. At the same time, he could sot agree to the Bill of his Right Hoe. Friend, which went to give *newt of auterMite the predominauce over the other by theme diereses of Hie County. After some further dircuesloe, In which Loud litelhant, Admiral %theme, Sir. Dentate, Mr. Dateeembe, sad Mr. M. Feistier took a part, the House divided-a. Per sbe ........ 119 ... -- Fee time original Iloilo; Majority 3s The Bill was ordered to be reed this day six wombs. Walk dor waggery were taking their wets in Ws 11 1111, 7 Mr. S. RICE was oadersioatt to pot a quotation to she Secretary of Siete respecting she wiessoree taken by Caovera. meat for carrying IS. Meet the treamtec4datiese of the - 11 " k 6.-.- Commissioners of Judicial Inquiry r mycelia' Chief Baron O'Gralv. GOULBURN made some reply, hut the seise in the 'starry prevented the Vies lon from being dialiuctly heard, and the sneerer Wee woo heard at all. S. RICE amid Abet lie woad take the earliest epporta. m oo of heloreing the subject forward. Mr. PLUN wan. said that he had not had time fn read theist Report, aid was not prepared to say what stepo it would be access'' , for Government to take. A Member asked if there wee any intention to propose es •Iteriftweitif the vint.es on East India sugar ! The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER intimated that he thought it hest to let the duties remain as they were. Mr. GBENFELL put • question respecting the renewal of the Bank charier. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that it was not a matter of necessity with the Gists:mast that the charter should be r d , neither were they yet determined upon it. The wily measure upon which they had resolved was the introduction of a Bill to continue the circulative of small notes. The general of the charter might be efterwageht thought of. IRISH POLICE BILL Me. GOULBURN rose to move the second reading of this Bill. He thought it neesseryto esplein the grounds for so doing. The system of Police was divided in Ireland isto two parts—one set of Police were ostler the Lord Lieutenant, for the protection of Dublin, and the neighbour. hood of the seat of Government. The other was • set of Comesolis appoiiited by the Grand Juries to psi/nerve the peas -of the comedies. In the later livers:as were ap. pointed who were freepiently •Itogether Joill for theatre. ten. The sees of this would be plain when they wee. told that the remuneration for the office varied between eight sod 201. a year, 'nos often brainier to the lowest sem. Their duties were of the most difficult kind. The arrest of criminal was • severe labour, there being oo cos. conese of opinion on that subject tomb as gave effect to the hews in England. The delis were either neglected or abesed. He was morry to say that the tine of the laws is their hands was often converted into the graillealue of private motives. The result was, a very roes, defect is the risottos of, and obedience to the laws. He considered it of eke stmuet importance to And a remedy to this defect. With these views he had framed a messes, in doing which this Ant difficulty which occurred was as to the proper hands in which to place the correcting power. He knew the ob. Petioles there were to depositing it with the Govermsest ; bar they would all admit that the first duty of Government was to secure tranquillity, and if not by the hest means of ell, why then by the best that were practicable and would produce the effect. He proposed therefore a new force of emeolshles to he attendant on each barony ; the head nod stable in each cafe to be appointed by the Govern. meet. This was no new power; it had been enjoyed by the Government before, sad the jealousy of the Hoses WWI sufficient safeguard seams the abuse of It. It would he the deity of the constable to host out, to pursue, and base to justice, the erintioal charged or suspected with the least possible delay. Having ordered the fierce and staled, the mode of appointing it, the next thing was to place it at, the disposal of the Magistrate'. Another reason fur boleti,g it immediately under the G ent wee, the vest soft. ber sheenier% insomuch that Government had at proirild. no choice in the selection of Allegestrates, bet had frequently . to appoint persons to that office who would, under other are eunistasse, be considered wholly unlit fee that situation. He thought there could be no better measure contrived to restore the country to peace. It would give se individual the mess fur abiding at his post, when be would he supported by • sufficient forte, and would be ready to set, whenever occasion required, is an efficient manner.; It would not be denied that the former Polies Bill had hees • effiretive ad satisfactory, sod that the civil force created, had received the highest approbation for their general coo. duet. The law was effectually administered under , Whatever might be said of occasional iseffiescy sad emir. appliestloo, it could nee be 'Jested that it effected the ran storstion of tranquillity. There was say one defect is it: it eweld not be lesseglit into operetios wail disturbance and inssection bad men to such • height, that it was is. peneible to se it with effect. Proveneios was far better than core, and in this ease would save the application to the military fusee to which they were always driven, re pugnantly to their feelisigs amid the general spirit of the laws. He proposed to stead the efficacy of that Bill at since to the whole country. He proposed It as the opeuing of • sew system in Orel country, which would make the eseenties of the laws depend en the civil instead of the mi litary force. Sir H. PARNELL agreed that the police was defective, mid that the Right Hen. Gentlesise had set stated any thing like the extant of the evil. It would seem that the country having bees Raised by conquest, the habit of ruling by mili tary force had always bees prevalent. Otte great defect which it was east desirable to supply was the want of an or ielsl organ of communication betwees the counties sad the Government, such as the English counties had in their Lords Lieutenant. Another Crest defect was, that of the Elegise tracy ; at present they were admitted to be must unfit pee wees for that office. Would that be a resist for trusting them with additional powers' Many of them, to his knew ledge, made the administration of justice a matter of ewe. lioneat. Many of them had a great deal of work to do, and the poor people, to curry favour, would come in droves to dig their potatoes or cut their bay. Government must take first to reform the magistracy, without fear of, or favour to tiny individual who might oppose them. He had heard of some of the magistrates who held lands, and were an swerable for rents and tithes to • considerable amount, actually removals' the disturbances. The administration of the laws for rubbery sod murder was shockingly defec. live. The verdicts in cases of sorrily were generally man. slaughter, and thus bee owe • means of satisfying private revenge. The administration of law in other respects was equally bid: the difficulty of executing wets was en great as to street general credit, and such employment was with. held which would tend otherwise to relieve the distresses of the country. He did nut like lb. new plan of police, who were too much in the Isidore of • military force; he wished fist to see the coesiiioliosal face of England, the smarmed constables pat in action. The difficulties were great, but be thought that they might be sermounted with the assistance of a constitutional civil power. He deeded skit there was any Corruption in the •ppoiatmest of the constable, by the Grand Juries, who were generally too such occupied with ewers important affairs to attend to the persons who they spvioled. He 'hosed that the county Magistrates, as In Toigland, would be the fittest persons to trust with the appointment of She new constables, as they would beet know kn. to direct the force in the most effective way. The Right Honourable Gentleman (Mr. Goulburu) had stated (pat the people of England were all attached to the laws, whereas the people of Ireland were nil in a curansatios against Diem. He (stir H. P.) were not willing to go that length, fur be considered the people of Ireland loved justice as such as any other nation, and he believed they were of late more than ever anxious for an equal administritins of justice and merciful protection from the laws. He would beg is seg• gest to the Right Honourable Gelllitlikaa the propriety of making an alteration in She Bill, so that the sew police established might be merely auxiliary to the constitutional body of police already in existence. If that were dune, he should not have so mesh objection to the measure, fur he considered some immediate change essential to the preservation of the country. There, was roue eery great objection to the pies in point of practice, for how could the Government appoint 3,600 constables end 300 chief on. 'tab.'s? He hues numbers/al respectable and independent Magistrates that would set ermionenieste with the Govorn mast on the subject; and if that were the case the measure would lose all its intended efficacy, in couseeseace of its imperfect . tine. Masi' persons -would be disgusted with that plan. He would suppose • Nobleness, for in stance, residing upon his estate, having in his owe hands the apposite's* of ell the constables, sod by hi. timeliest management the best order 'prevailed. If Govern ment sent down to him thirty or forty of these Newly elected constables, he would he at saes dtsgasted at the proceed's', and would probably moil the sentry and become as absolve. Now that was sot at imaginary mete:west, he could name an Individual who would set per. eisely in tie maser he had described.—(Hear, hoer, hoer Then, bands, let the House lank at Cie enormous espeess ash dos. The or:feast of a head constable, with elosltsg ae;X. . ~, • _e • loose. &e. end arms, would amount to 1001 altar. The mutual expense of the Queen's county, which yea now 7001. or 11001., could sot *monist to lest them 3,8001. or 4,0001. for supporting its police establiaimeet; sad for • mach smaller sum a system of police might be introduced much more effectual and infivitely more eatisfattore to 444 mire. try. -As this measure was more or Res of • local antare, ha thought it would best be dieceserel is a Committee above stairs, which would eater isle all it• defalis ; and he, therefore, was of opinion, that the best course the Right Ham. Gentleman could pursue would be, to move fur the appointment of such • Committee. Os the whole be thought the system a bad owe, and crest if the people of Ireland were satisfied with the eiraeore, he should object to the principle of endeavueriar to reconcile them te as so. constitutional system of police.—(Meari hear) Mr. PLUNK ETl' raid, it was quite clear, from the wish which the Honourable Baronet who had just sat down had expressed, that this question should be referred to a Committee up stairs, as well as from the feeling of the Heave, that a general impression existed that something must be dime to improve the system of police to Ireland. (Hear, hear)—He had had opportunities of conversing with missy Gentlemen who were best acquainted with the condi. ties of Ireland, and they considered that an alteration in the system of police was a niessere, of all others, the moat es. Bestial to its prosperity.--(Hear, hear.)—Whether the men. sues now proposed, or whether a Committee up stairs would be best adapted to its discussion, would be for the Mouse to determine. The Honourable Baronet had !rely stated, that the people of Ireland were dealt with in • man. err very - diffefent from this. Theit was a set of extraordi. wary measures adopted for extraordinary *retakes, mast pre deady decked, and suet reefs' in their •pplicaiirias, bet slat they were deviations (rem the ordinary laws of the land, and were only fit fur extreomboary emergemries. The object of this eneeesee wa. lec provide against the seeessity of those oeconineal relaxations of the law, those parexyseis (if he might lige the expression), sail le effect something of a per manent system, which would not only have the effect of pu. uishisig crime, but world lotrodeet a habit of obedient. to the laws, and which, if persevered, in for some time would have the effect of attaching the people to the laws. The Honourable Baronet bad called this mestere en UliColl. *Citations' one, but with all respect to his opinion, he must take leave to state that be could ant think so. It introduced so new law, it made so new crime, it appointed no new officer. The only difference was this, that af . present the Grand tortes had the apptuitnient of the constables, which this measure proposed to transfer to the Crown. Plow to say that the appoint meet of any officers to execute the laws use uaronsitistiossal, did appear to him to he • doctrine wholly at variance with the Conetitutior. The Crowe wee the fountain of all executive appointments, and whether the constables were directly appointed by the Crown or by the Magistrates, who were themselves chosen by the Crowe, le neither case was it a departure from the laws of the calm. It was impossible fur the ingenuity of man to devise • worse system than'lltat of the appoiutiag the mistetables by the Greed fairies.' He would lay it dews as an *wowed principle that the appointment of coast sides is Ireland was • RolOsiolla job; and in saying this, be did mot mean le east MI imputation epos belied, but speaking generally be would say, that where the responsibility was divided be. tweets 24 Gelatinise's, sad fell Epee sone particularly, the same practice would always exist. The proposed plan would give the power to the Lord Lieutenant to make these appointment. ; he did not of course mean to say that he would sot be liable to be imposed ono all such appututmeate wen open to imposition, but this was as little liable as any mete ' sure that could bedevised, , In all eases is which abase. had been practised isl the appointments by the Lord Lieutastamt, the evil could bt corrected immrdiately, for • nountWy relays would be made, whereby the mode of adasisilattrieg the law would be brought ender the revision of the Goveremeat,. ...teems at prevent, if an improper appoiatineet took place, they must wait six moods' till the neat Assizes before the evil could be remedied; therefore, although it might be pom sable that jobs might be practised, sod the gaud intea. titres of the Goveraseent defeated, yet this plait was the least ohjeetionable of say. The Heaourable Serowe* had said he knew • Measlier of most respectable and iudepeisclent Magistrates in Ireland, who (*failed the duties of their office name attentively, and he slated that it would be a great hardship they should be deptived of their office. H. (Mr. Plaskett) had the pleasure of beieg atqsaiuted with many must active sad intelligent Magistrates, and he should be as sorry as may man that they should be displaced, But the Rueinerable Baronet made • very great mistake if be supposed that the Lord Lieut MIS rem evils d to act indiscriminately, and not to exercise his own distretiou. There could be lio more objection...le messese than that. There was, for issuance, the county of Longford. He remembered the period 'rhea that toutily was the most remarkable of any in Ireland for the aon.exerstion of the lasts, for the sapfneems of the 'Magistracy, and the prevalence of crime; and bribe highly meritorious expellees of his No. hie Friend who • represented that eassady (Lord Forbes), who was such as ornament and benefit to his turn ery, that comity was sow the most orderly in Ireland. It could not thee be supposed that the Lord Lieutenant would interfere with him sad ;he salutary system he had established for preserving the peace of his county. With respect to the expense of the proposed plan, the House would find, that OR the whole it would be rather ecoorimical thee otherwise. He world just take the liberty of making a few calculation. of the expense likely to he lectured. He was Now gulag on the supposition that this plea was carried into eitreuthr• is every county iw Ireland. The number of baronies amounted to 250. If there was a chief constable fur every barony, with • salary of 1301 • year, it would amount to 32,5001. Ten constables to each barony, at • salary of 351. would amount to 175,0001. Fort in. specters, with salaries of 5001. a year, would amount to 2,0001. • sear. Ten Police Magistretes, at salaries of 8001. a eeor, would amount to 8,0001. This would make a total expendlieee of 217,0001. Now the pre. sent expenditure amosnued to 178,0741. and the whole excess of the proposed plan above the eeriest would amoral, iu point of expense, to not more than 40,0001.; and, besides, by the establishment of asi rffeeteal miller, the ex traordinary f orc e c e eem .s r y to prevent illicit distillation might he considerably diminished, so that ie fact the difference would be very trilliag. Bet that gestation should not be considered a matter of calculation. The proposed plan would predace the greatest of all economy—a saving of public morale, the people would be restored to • habit of obedience to the laws, and • necessity would so longer exist of resort. leg to measure. of corrtion...-(Hear, hear )—lle did sot memo to say that Ibis was the best proposed; he would certainly be better pleased If they could assimilate the laws of Ireland to these of this country. But the House must out eousider this as • permanent roes. sore. He should hail with as much pleasure as any man the time when the extrsordisary messuree which were wow resorted to could be dispensed with. If • better measere could be proposed he Ovoid be must happy to adopt it, mid he was sure he should heartily etnrisr in any suggestion which might tome from the Honourable Baronet (Sir Henry Parnell), whose unremitting attention to the interests of Ireland entitled his 'spurious to such weight.—(Hear, hear ) —He should coaclude by proposing, that the Horse do suer resolve itself into • Committee to consider the Bill. The Ho.. J. JOCELYN 'deprecated lbe practice of c.a. sorted the magistracy er eesdetataiec she ramie' apneas' until eonerinini wore effectsel wee Introduced. General HART said he could soot sit by silently sod hear the magist►acy of Irelattd abused; hat he considered ibe present pollee of that country wotse than if the people lived wader stiostial row. —(Hem, hear.) ..kIe.SPRING . RicE said he should not discharge Mollify if he dal not speak his sentiments boldly upon t►is Mt lie did not thi..k that his Hon. Ftimal (Sir H. Parnell) bad take• the full view of the principle sr tbis most alarm. lot measure. Se far limn any light baring been throw• rime the 'object by the Rtght Hon. and Leased Gen tleman (Mr. Plunkett), he seemed to have exercised all hog greet sad highly valued talents to lead the Honest . astray, and induce them to draw inferences diaireetricatly opposite to that to which ,bey shield come. He should nor argue the question a. • matte► of expense, fur if the measesee could produce all the advastages -hick it pea r* seed, a* expense should pervert hint from (islet it his warmest support.--(Hear, hear.)—lf it would iutrodure • spirit of subardieation, soul teach the people to 'tepee* the laws, Shell, indeed, he shield he pried of his country. Gm It uuuld he lb. support sad not the weakness of England.. Bel Ilea eossidered that so far free alllach• tog the people ke lite laws, it would only rouse their iodignstlon smalls* them. Before -they aielleigotel the prevent system, (bay would do lien ies cowl*? Whelk" it was dentin in Fiedler, ur whether lie evils did mat arise sat of MY ghat*. If it were so emitted, bed, hew wee it posslbia that each good fruit cosh' bon men se such a tree? 1F that system, under the laudable meougement of the Noble Lord, had produced such satisfactory remelts in the county of Loagfutd, why should it not, if properly eller eiseet produce the same beselicial crews he other parts of the country? The Right Hun. Gentleman (Mr. Costlier's) said,*Oh! we have now brought back the days of peace and the nights of trasquillete, we shell sow have the safaraits norm ;" but the Right Hon. lad Learned Gentleman said, "Na; that measure wee to be only temporary, sod he looked forward to the time wises they hope/ to be able to effect a more lenient system." But be (Mr. Rice) contended that alikeogh a caste might be made ant to justify this measure, yet they were bowed to adhere to the Cusalitotiets 'where they latnehated as ulterior measure. They should not disgrace the Magistrates before they had takes some steps to render them efficient ; they should And purge away the dross, and then see how the metal would week.—(Hear, hear.)—Or the subject of expense, unless they were prepared et *bastion the present system before they introduced a sew one, the ealcolstions of the Right Hos. and Learned Gent'. man were incorrect, for then the cosine, would he burdened sot only with the present system, but also with the ex. pesos arising from the new measures.—(Hear, The Right Hon. and Learned Gentleman bad contended, ' that this measure was a constitutional measure, benese the Crown was the fountain of office; bat on that prideiple they might go on multiplyng offices ad ire/lei/sun. If be were asked how many new offices were created, be would eay, nearly 5,000 new ones. But he objected to the Idea of this wenn with any question of Illiaassee. They (mild not do away the cayenne laws, for that only rested with the Clieseerellee of she Exchequer. He had taken the Iroubleof compariag the number ofihe Magi s with lb try, and he found they bore this proport ion: In Limerick and Tipperary they were as one to meaty-Ave square miles, sod one to Ave iloonised of the population. In other counties they were as one to eaves sad a belt square soiled, and one to theca thousand and form thereof the populatum. He called spin the Germinated to purify the Magistrates, for it was the infusion of bed blood into diem, and not the want of independent men loan as Ma gistrates, that rendered the system so extremely defective; they should follow the example of the county Lougford, in. which Oho system bad bees foetid to work well. He WAS sorry he did not see the Members for the comity Mayo in the Hesse, for in that county the same salstary effects had ' been produced. He would now addon asi authority, te which some weight would be attached on the other side. 11 was the speech of the Right 1100. Gentleman opposite (Mr. Peel) id the discussion of that measure which went by his name in Ireland. He stated on that occasion, that be was Ohs sure, if the system were made permanent, it would be impossible to prevent abuse. The principle of she pee. sent Bill was the same, and if carried into execution it would deprive the people of the means of improving their emsdidon, sir preserving the itasquillity of the country.— (Hear, beer.) lie J. NEWPORT said be bad carefully examined the neessore before them, an/ if be conceived it emsl4 he begeficial to Ireland be shoold sot oppose it. If the pre seat system of police is Ireland was fogad hearicial in Longford, why should it sot in other parts of the coquetry ? and he would ask, was this a time to introduce • measure diverging as widely as possible from the policy that should be pursued towards Ireland, on the sole responsibility of the Executive Government, say, from the operation of its details on the responsibility of thee inferior agents ? He considered the Bill would give the greatest offence le the Magistracy of Ireland, and he hail authority fur stating that many independent Magiosates would throw op their Co.. 'mission if the Bill passed. If it was only to the details of measure he was opposed, he should have the less objection to ping into theCoinenittee ; hot after the most serious coon &ratios he could bestow epos It, the resell be came to wan Ibis, that it disappointed all the hopes be liadesteriaisied; that Instead of assimilating the Government of Ireland to that of Eaglasid, it more than ever destroyed the resesoblaees. It would tend to alienate Gentlemen from their homes; stead of presenting, it would increase absestreskilp, god pe ewit commerciel speculators is this country from veaNug their espied in Ireland.—(Heer, hear.)—He believed that mu emu was more attached to Ireland than be was.—(Cheers from bon sides of the Haase.)—He felt as warmly sa any man that noblest of all the passions of the busses heart, the love of country; but should the Bill now before the House ever become the law of Ireland, he sboold never more coo eider it his country —(Loud cheers.) Mr. PEEL said he was quite sure, that if the examination of the nnesore nee before the Hone could leave led the Right lion. earemet to approve of it, he should have been harpy to Wee bad his support, but as he had come to • differ. ens result, be wan not the less disposed to believe the since rity of his evolution. He perfeetly agreed with the Hon. Baronet behind (Sir Henry Parnell), that a great incon venience existed is Ireland for want of fame cfficer as a channel of communication between the respective counties and the Government, like the Lords Lieutenant of counties in England. Ulm* • former occasion, he stated that great difficulties did exist in the way of the reformation of the magistracy. That Body of men was still defective, on ac count of the great •bseuteeship. It appeared to him that there was a defect in the Rill which might be remedied relative to the Ministrates. Os the discussion of the Peen Peewees- Coo Act, he opposed the proposition for establishing ad peodiary Magietraley. There might be a necessity fur some few in aerials districts where there was not a Magistrate within 30 or 40 toile" ; and he would recommend his Right Hen. Fiume' not to take an unlimited power, but only et ti ned that clause respecting stipendiary Magistrates tat those districts in which it became necessary, either (sow theabsesee of the resident gentry, or the neglect of duty on the part of the Magistrates. The simple quessiou before them was, in what way the constables should he appointed. Some were anxious to assimilate the practice to that of England. Nothing undoubtedly would be more desirable if it were practicable, but the condition of the enmities was too different to suppose that, fur some time at least, constables could be got to act in Ireland gratuitously. He implored the Horse I nut to discourage a plan which professed to remedy such error. mows evils. If this measure Ins successful it would not wily introduce • better system of police, but habituate the people of Ireland to the greatest of all blessings, an equal, unvary ing, and impartial administration ofjostice.—(Cheers.) Mr. ABERCHOMBY time to tames. Ms dempproliseion of a measurewhich Me nesidered so dangerous'. He thought she first step to be taken *mild be to reform the magistracy. He knew great difficillties lay in the way, as far as regarded feeling; but there was so dif f iculty fur a man who was determined to du his duty, even at the risk of a little on• popularity. The consequesire of this measure would be, to make very respectable Magistrate retire from she Commis sion, fur they would sooner withdrew than ester into a doubt fel contest with those intliwdemls who should be appointed by the Government. He was surprised a little that the tiecrrtary of Stale did nut seem better acquainted with this measure before it was introduced, foam which Ise would infer that it orig . ,- stated solely with the Irish Government. The Noble Lord at the brad of the Irish Government had ones been compared in Ism administration of India with Bonaparte, cad if any ono wished to discover the leading principle of Bunaparte's char. racier, he world and is in obis 8.11. Bunaparte's principle was, that all government should proceed flogs him. So said the Marquis Wellesley. I and the people compose the na tion at large." He should give bas must decided uppoo tion to this Bill, vehicle he considered of a must amnion character.—(Hear, bear.) Lord LONDON DERRY recommended, as the best ening the Horse could purser would be, to consent to she second reading; and 111 she Committee they would have an oppor tunity of discussing its details more fully. Lord ALTHORP said, that as his objections extended to she principle of the measure, he considered it better to diming it now, for be could net give big sweat to the present Bill after any modibeee'vn whatever. He eons. mooted ibe prisetples of the Bill, which appealed him highly objectionable, and he deprecated she no tonettiolionel powers which ihe Bull would give to the Lord I.leatenaue. Is was a Bill which might out, io bin opintou. to be adopted in this or any free worry under al mom sup eircumulalacca. Mr. C. GIIANT sold he had hitherto entertained the 'rips huirtmestihesalt pe""sadiwaFafillsouslaheassaounuireetteeswilaPeastijetimmedhelfaelffele:kb:lsh.ahigneseilla::lleifolltihatiellperile:rti:Pi:ries:lasyblite:teli:tPdher.Bl"PiEliza.d.l4 hid to express that dissent in this isstsed. The subject bad eugoessed Meek of the attention of the late Irish Goers. eddies hid been ender consideration, but afire the salt swam deliberation he did sot feel warraoteil in proposie such a esemare.—(Hear, hear.)—One of the first sod most imported ohjects of Government was certainly to se cure t h e free aid edicedows adasiddrothe• of the laws, hat it wroin. tumbrel on the Legislature to geed against the purchase of that object st the price of my oilier of the valuable Mei. Minn 4 01 tbie Mushy.—Glen, hear)—Hid *my oilier less objectionable method yet bees tried of eradieating those evils which it was the professed object of this Bill to remove —(tter, hear.)—What was the plain effect of the measure sow proposed It was simply this: Ti place the whole of Ireland ender the operation of as armed police, or, is odor words, of • gens.d'armerie. Illediemismably the overinflate of Minna Se Ireland required a remedy. No mats mole 10.. fa at the Police and the Magjeiracy le Ireland willow fettles She stermity of some remedial measure. Rat was this io.i o erb er sateelltreaehomersandide•yeltoarnfl:tw:lafssaildteidespo:fveseah:ltileshetiob.d""jiielyin7ofinltnh:7lleanimeHdra'aelistiliar:ne:df—:ll4:o4.deiit:lii°h::....l b doleisculrdipasinfttob.eadesid is o edt a ls u a y t arty persona of • m os t impt a o t p: t r ways disqoalifed Ibr the situation, had found their way into die Commission. The ecu• - queues was, that it ales happened that the Magisteate s of a district were is • state of warfare with each other ; cad a still (muse diesel was the disgestiog of the fittest aid mod desirable part of the Magistracy, and their refusal to associate with the others is the diielloge of their Mr.. Rot was the objection bets to the principle, or to the pew -6(4'1104 ? If it was nut that pemaiple of •gwaSednoweiSla. gleamy dim wee obiecend se, why was not elm meardy 'lewd accordingly ? If the defect wee set MI the principle, why was not the practice changed ? V the appointments of the Magistracy and the constables had been regularly sod pro. perly moodeeted, sad still found imellitteel, he mold have exceed to elienge the whole opine. Bat why, he must ask, was • nee system to be istrodueed, when it was admitted that the 'debate regelmiod MA she been truly and folly acted upon ! The Mouse was bound, before it sanctioned this measure, to rail on Bose who proposed it to skew that every fair experiment as coastitutimal pgimiples had berm tried sad found defeco e ti o v i e er —( oo C ui lieem ot of thin Bill, aw ind y ispe wer a e sa b b o l u e nd pre l l e im pr in: e s t t i:t she ant other less objectionable measure wreald be subtlest. Mira he looked back to pest perioda—imilies be meowed die distwrhaads of 1770, he there (mad the same complaints of the supineness and inactivity of .be Magistracy. Is 17117 it was the same, and is every subsequent period of disturb ance, and no systematic attempt had yet been made tat cheese the character Grebe Magistracy. Two years ago this subject had come under the cossiderstim of the Irish Co mmonest, and its Miceli°e was tweed to the complete ire. also at the Cu mission of the Peace. The unarm carfare dated* was he ktiew bestowed by the Lord Chancellor is perfection that object; and six mouths ago be vies Warmed that ono more sham two or three counties reunified to be gem through. He concluded, therefore, that by this time the work mast have bees completed. Why alms had this pee bees produced?—(Hear, bear! The noise from a pimento part of the Hush*, oecesioned repeated cries of " Bar, heir) He was sure be seed sot remind the House that affirm ai subject of the deepest importance; end not less tie to Bag , land than to Iteland,—(Hear, hear, hear.)—For if the moctiosed the introduction of a sedum of this asteerti. batimal *stare into belted, what was to purest the ap plicedios of • similar measure to this toiletry ?—(Rear.)— The system of grateitues parochial constables might, is his °polo% be eseeessfelly tattoduced into Ireland, and the experiment ought to be made. The state of the meaty or Longford, which had bees so much alluded to, afford the struneast argument la I of his view of the subject...- That had bees brought ahoisi by the system introduced by • Noble Freed of his (Lord Forbes), whom be shosld ba happy to see at that bar to give no lbw House an stemmed of Itisult aerial loss and expertesee on the *object. Hr (Loaf Forties) had felt that his owe homer would be compromised by permit hag the introduction into his county of the Government po lite; be had therefore applied himself to the adessioa of system which had so pettedly succeeded is premeretne the peace sad liasquillily of the county, that while all arnesd it was subject to the opei stint' of tee Peace Preeertratio• and lesserectios Acts, that was left to Bo owls police, and so securely aid effectually was the law Veers admisaistreed, that at the most crowdsd fair • sin gle constable was infficieat to take into custody the moss popular delinqueot.—(Loud sheers.)—He must protest sealant this Dili as one of the must einaseasereable injustice to leased ; inasmuch as it went to sabers the whole of 11 counties to a message framed foe the suppresses of do. terbamee existing rely is six. He objected to it, became he mum ever object to the principle that that constitutional system which was applicable to England would out be fur Itelasd.—(Cheers.)—And he must again object to the sys tem of extraordinary legislative interposition es every ominous of local sod temporary disturbeece is that emetry. To that fatal system which had been Cuastantly pursued lied gradually incressed from the White Boy Act to Ike mord period, was it owing that the Peace Penetration Act, which was only (rimed fora temporary end extraordinary prom, was now its an aggravated sod exaggerated tom shout to be established as a perenauent measure—(Hear, bear.)—H. objected to it as a preventive measure, because it was is she very nature of such a measure, es applied, to lead to the uppresrive and dangerous exercise of • previous iiisisi tion—a system of search and conjecture of aims-. Nut the least extraordinary part of this Bill was the sat of authority vested Is the high constables. To introit the peace of a county to the protection of inferior officers of that dereription, was like placing an army under the cum mend of a seijeaut.unejor. Ibis species of bleb constabk world virtually supersede the Magistrate. For what Mars traternild refuse lo act issues warrant, fur isstaace, when ever he should tequtre it ? Roods( bum to be • confidential agent, in coomantofficisl correspondeote with the Govermado, the Magistrate could sot refuse to coder in his destauds, be cause he might have taformation from Government oakum* to the Magistrate which feudistl it sec. y. Mess out the tendency of rich • state of things, be would ask, be to render the Madrid, indsff rest and carelees about the peace of his c he ex. pe. ou .e uiy a ? nd e the e n x i t r e e n a s ted ive the H.. al cwlatteodcotquithieiters measure, which was entirely at the disposal sad mild the eselosi oat of the Croon, het of the Lord Lieutenant, aid removable by his dinctiou from one part of the toady in the other. Hs would ask, whether this system did n o t carry within itself the semis of corruption ? To suppose it is action feet lies corrupt sad misclemoss &polo-atom, try must lame those coneeried with it to be glee must malice of men, sad whistle foes from the cameos influences and potatoes •b•ili boutau nature was subject. He elitisd upon the HNYM• 0"1 to unite keel( with th s measars, which went to establish si wide a distinction of conesi tutorial character, no sit. tly err - eviscilable • system of interoal goverement Weide the too modeles; but to consider the laureled of !reload as pre mance ily and ireepaeably sailed with those of this cotietiy. —(Much deeding ) tha the bed ik f l p r ai r.i . l u o in i et e A o si s ß f f a l l bi 2.l. ex a ( .. G d e n. r: i l i i:o rt i o n::: cd o u l f rel P h o Pr :i t a th iß e h a ? y, h o i t wi f .e l t re ti l le :bc. .;F i s l t r l be cured but by some legislative enactment of this nature. The lola. cop', of this Bill use known to almost every Magistrate in Itetand; and he (Mr. Martin) diclared upon his honour, slat a at ti t: u p:dug of it would be considered in that court( a Sir N. COLTHURST said he had heard no reseed, Pie' posed for the evils that distracted Ireland before this, which in his edition sem eakailated for thew removal. It had hires si t e P la i r e:: lls3 :l 4 , l 4 s h e T e s a d s .hui a" , s e t o s ida.s t 'str awi t e he i lfwa e i t ri r el : d e i i m aa ll . s h :i l o r gres s ein a lui l m l i d :O wi a ri el i n uc f la or Y : h ee t e be'll a r it e h t m e bb: t e m d x y w ee ll u ash ifo:n t : : : :;: eit' be sts%l Mr. GRATTAN was understood to my that the moths isle:owe:l:oi : f a no bi l a rt isu lawd eire.l is. " it H er eithecureo:Eai,dewe,al e should aims as alt o u sh f liwec the wv:e p t Mr V. Fll ZGERA 1.0 said the speech of his Right Ron, Ftirsd (Mr. C. Giusti), the ability of which he admired, soil ~ f,z - r 1 p i t e I .151, ia la ve ills MN eft Or M MI I ■ I M ll& • -. 1.-- . .. t