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IMPERIAL PARLIAiIIENT. whether the refusal of the interference of the late Emperor of Russia wit.h respea to Malta, was owing to the late Ministers, or to those who ne gotiated the Treaty, he could wish that the Cor respondence on that Subjea were before the House. —He deemed it proper, that every ptaaicable in formation should be given on all points conneded with the Treaty, and declared himself the Advo cate for Parliamentary Earl SPENCER spoke shortly in explanation after which the Question was put, and the Motion ordered accordingly :—And an Adjournment im mediately took place. __c :~ HOUSE OF PEERS, HOUSE Of COMMONS, FRIDAY, MAY 7. A Iklzssnoz from the Lords informed the House that their Lordships had assented to the Eicport and Import Duty Bill, the French Wines Importation Bill, and the Irish Bank Restrittion Bili. 'Mr. LosaixoroN brought up a Bill for establishing a Market in Loudon for the Sale of Coals, which was read a first time. Lord SHt7FIELD moved for the following Accounts, which were severally ordered An Account of the Quantity of Timber and Plank used in His Majesty's Navy, trom the year 1780, so far as the same could be made up. An Account of the Quantity of Tinilier necessary to be Nat in the Dock Yar y cts.for the purpose of keeping up the A List of all the English-built Ships emplOyed in the Merchant Service. A List of the Ships and Vessels, not British-built, in.the Service of the East India Company. An Account of the Contract-prices paid by the Commis sioners of the Navy, from the Year 1770 to the present Period. An Account of the Quantity of Oak Timber and Plank imported into Engtandlor 25 Years past. - Mr. CR.4 WF 0 R.D, from the Treasuryaaf Ireland; , ptesented an ACcount orthe Public funded and unfunded Debt of Ire land, 'on the sth of January 'Sol, which was ordered to lie on the Table, and to be printed. Mr. SI-En:AA:I, from the Sramp - Office, presented an Ac-' count of the Arrears due from, and the Balances in, the hands of the Distributors of Stamps. Mr. WESTER N brought up a Bill for the more effeaually preventing the stealing of Turnips, &c. which was read a first time, 'and ordered to be read a second time on Wednes day, and to be printed. Thel Usher of the Black Rod summoned the House to the House of Peers, to hear His Majesty's Commission read. The SPr.t,KEA, attended by several Members, vvent.to the House, of Pecri, and on his return inforM&l the House; that the Royal AsSent had been given by Commission to the Ex port and Import Duty the Irish Bank ReAriction Bill—the french \Vines' Importation Bill—and several pri vate Bills. _ _ Mr. SARGENT presented the Ordnance Estimates, which were ordered to lie on the Table. He gave notice that he should move thern - in the Committee of Supply, on Monday. Mr. N. VANSITTART moven. f or an account of rite gross and net nrocilice of the Stamp Duties for the year ending the Stns of falluary, tlica.—Ordered. The account was iinnie diarely presented at the bar by Mr: Stedman, from the 'Stamp Office, and ordered to lie on the Table: A Message from the Lords,intbrmed the Hotise, that their Lordships had agreed to the Sugar Draw-back Bill, and se vera! private Bills. FRIDAY, M A 'r 7. I r , l it case of Herring v. Goodtitle, a Writ of ir r or from t - il'-Ourt of King's Bench, was taken into further conside_r_ „; 11) , when their Lordships were pleased to affirm the lirnent Q 1 the Court below. po rf u s e .sii %ozal Assent was , r iven, by renc Commission, French Wines Importation tolm the the 4 i t i . a x n p k o o rt i s i D re uty Bill, land lles t triion Bill, the London Port and nine others, of a private or local description.— t o Lords Commissioners were the LORD CHANCELLOR, WAES . INCHAM, and Lord AMCKL AND. RAccount of the quantity ofLogwood, Mahogany, &c. arteci from the Ba of Hduras, since the ist f' !unary, as, on the Motion.of on Lord G )41+tV I o OrdeFed the tici before the House ; as was also an Account relative to I mportation of Gum Senega, in the like period. MINTO acquainted the House, that as he , ‘-g gined the su bj e t upon ,which their Lordships • summoned upon Monday would not take up ' 4l of their time, he proposed to move on ihat :for certain information, preparatory to the dis „'sion of the Definitiv e T reat y on W e d nes d ay ii ) lti and which he thought was highly necessary the due illdstration of that impoitant subjeEt. he inf ormat i on h e a ll u d e d to, princ i pa ll y re l ate d L ° . tWo imp ortant p oi nts , t h e fi rst , as we un d erstoo d Is Lordship, was respeaing the establishment, &c. tthe Italia n Republic, and which took place in 'e inter va l b etween the Signature of the Prelimi. •ry a n d the Definitive treaties ; and the second fesPeCted a point of great importance to His Ma jetit's int erests i n t h e M e di terranean, namely, the Ration of the Isle of Elba. iThe o r d er o f t h e -D ay for summoning their 'or being read; • ti E arl SPENCER rose,. pursuant to his no ti and in a speech of some length, called their i lf . l 4,_ships' attentio n t o t h e subject o f t h e I s l an d e d Malta, as One of the m o st i mportant o f t h ose e ,1 4 Oefted with the Definitive Treaty o f "eace.—= to expatiated upon the great importance of Mal till,' With regard to the interests of this Country, il l t4ler in periods of War, .or in times ofTeace.-='-He t ' r t a proceeded to detail the nature of the proposed r j , t4 : l Vtnent, with respect to that Island, in the t6 -tli aive Treaty of Peace, and argued, that by 11C . Wt6t of such arrangement, it mus t f a ll under ik B t entrol, p e r ha ps the. titlatinion of the French p e r l t . b i lk:: He particularly dwelt . upon the financial `the...iubjea., - and stated, that; according to She rt information he could obtain, the Revenues ot r i il 44l- }ti were: considerably - short of 4.0,00 . cih per k;,.t rl : a sum which the expences, unavoidably in ly the proposed arrangement, would great.. c Ac eed. As an instance of which; lie stated, that ,: 4 1)ences of Corn to supply t h e i n habita n t s o f it, Fi t take itp about a fourth of the money. Thus tvict'lbstaneedi Malta might became dependent, t' h was one of the reasons urged by his Lord s hip, t h tt ) s t 'te great prObability •of its coining undet the 1ad,,,1•0f France ; and, he observed ; that the 56- te;„ 46 ns in the Treaty, would afford numerous pre, lvt - a r, to France for interfering in the concerns of. at He concluded by moving; that' there be laid before the. House an Account of an - it it r, ' Territorial Revenues, and Coriimertial Duties of the HIS of Malta, &c. from the Date of its Surrender to " 1 s Majesty's Forces to the present HOJART said, he should not appose The 4 t Motion i but would, o b s e rve , t h at i t d i . not fair thus to attack Ministers by means of eahssing separate points of the Treaty ; the whole Should be f a i r ly an d fatly di scusse d, an d t h e *> a t question f or th e c ons id erat i on Parliament a 4 sl v vhether, mulct all the circumstances of the roan His' Majesty's Ministers. were justified to the dot?t r yj•nnforming the Treaty.upon the Table; or „ With refpett to th e . particular part of the li t : , dwel t upoir,by the-NobleEarl, he observed, hi, u ric great cons id erat i on i n negot i at i ng t h e ar- Nii,e e alent was . ; the interest of the Malt es e pe o pk i tt n j t ' condua entitled then to the favourable at -1)k)r) of this country ; and he contended, that the of itatrangement Was favourable to the extension commerce of Malta, which must of cotir; a ,e the duties con.neaed therewith: E arl . ofCARLISLEi in observing upon what i, r , °4l the Noble . Lord ; said, that the objea. o f ttp oi l 'ahle Friend was; not to press for a decision i t4i a parti cu l ar po i nty but .merely called for par, !r, 411 4 r information, for the purpose of the better 1k l ug their Lordships to judge of the whole or ) a ') . and Such Was the tendency of hi s o wn M ot i on f r ° , r iae_ r night: u RENVILLE contended for the •necesai ty fortliltormation, in order to enable the House .to tille sc a Proper judgment o f t h e i m p o rt a n t su bjea in . Fai re He He was particularly anxious for the re. nap 1 i n t h e present i nstance, as it s hewa 'that t h e p resent Re venues o f the the Were wholly inadequate to the support of. h ad P r losed a rrangements ; an d t h e N o b le L or d . I voul t ) Futted to tell the-Ho use , ho w t h e new s y ste m. N tr be more f avoura bl e. to Tra d e t h an t h e f or-• th a jjhe joi ne d hi s No b le. ' F riend in thinking, ' ai , u Y the e flea of t h e Stipulations , the Island of. 1 1 must fall under the dominion of the French. om d HOLLAND expressed his opinion s that thate othe r Documents relative to Malta, beside Lef 6 ri l° 7 ed for by the. Noble. Earl, should be laid l' ott r e the House.—He ,regretted that_ we had no ‘ , ith left tti us in the Mediterranean,' and it was hi r4 _ Palo he h ear d ' t h e two Noble Lords under th at ' ~t.`..PENC:-ER and s'agait4aLEY, -almost prove n Malta was i n a great measure surrendered to, ;-,-that unfavourable proeeeding, other 0 44 y ourssble circumstances in the..- Negotiation, been oaetated by imperious necessity.- Much had ta e c .d of Russia refusing to be the stale Guaran, le i epic independence of Malta big he revel- tl 4dt there was a perit.xl when Rtissia would have ucef?te4,• that trust 3 and, in Dick! tolaow THE LATE MINISTERS, Afr.NICHOLLS said, he had thought it his duty to submit .a Motion to the House for the pur pose of bringing the Conduit of His Majesty's late Ministers before them ; but more particularly than of the Right Honourable Gentleman (Mr.,Plrr) who' held a prominent situation amongst:those Mi. nisters ; not only because he was thus prominent,. but because:there were several circumstances which would apply to him in a. greater degree than to his Colleagues: The Right Honourable Gentleman had commenced a War for the purpose of wresting from. France the Austrian Low. Countries, and to pr0..1 tee Holland. France was, howerer, at this mo ment in possession of the Austrian Low Countries,. and she had subdued Holland; He had a right to say;. that Holland' i,vas subdued by France, since those who approVed of the Treaty of Peace, congr a .. tulated the country on her retaining Ceylon, as it was thereby taken out of the possession 'of the French ; , -i-- , and those who condenined the lamented that the Cape was left in the hands of Holland, because they coriSidertd it to the hands-of France: TEC Right Honourable Gentle. man had therefore failed in this object ; and. - it was to be remembered; at the same time; that Austria bad no pretence tocalkopon'this• country for the de fence of the Low Countries: Another object: of -the • War 'was, as stated by the Right Hon. Gentlenian, indemnity for the pact, and seenrity for the future ; which he supposed id mean the disthembertnent of the French Empiie; and the augmentation 'of the Power of -Englanct and her Allies Had .this been -effeded The fad was, on the contrary; that the Empire of France was extended beyond every thing that ambition ever dreants of them look at the 'terms of the late Negotiation. France bad taken; as the bask, of her Treaty, the Kti posiaetis, as to all she Was in possession of ; and the statur. grio ohm bellzevi, as to . all- she had.lost-t---a.basiS of ne- • gotiation which was : never before used by . any Power whatever. A third ohjed of the War was the extinetiort of French Print•iples. He might, be con .sidered as differing in opinion with resped to French, - Principles from tiffany Gentlemen in that House; but he had always conceived; that the obied of .the French Revoldtion was the abolition of the Order of the Noblesse and of Feudal Rights; in which he was fortifitd by the opinion of Mr. Burke; and many other enlightened men, who eonsidered it to-be the objed of that Revolution to. destroy the Constituted Authorities of France: it was thonght that this -Country was deeply interested in the re-dstablish ment of the Constituted Authorities of Fiance, and in preventing France from becoming a successful ey:ample of insurrection to the rest of Europe. Had the War restored tlre CoriStituted Authorities of France ?' • .Had it prevented the' example of success - ful insurreCion r Had it Wit entirely failed.? The War had ; on the contrary; held oirt encouragement to • pmorts holding similar principles' in other countries ;- , and nothing, gave so eomplett a discomfiture to per. sons influenced by Similar principles; in Irelatid, as Peace. Ag to- Jacobin principles in 'England, he dtiged that the Constituted Authorities of this • 'Country were ever despi se d any great number of the People. The late Miniiters, however, in endeavouring to guard againiC ; French Principles, had increased French power to such an extent, that he'did not think any: man would be bold enough to say, that he bad not apprehensions froth the 'power of France. He was grateful to the 'Ministers who had made the. Peace, which had been rendered neces-' 1 say by the War., He should now make some ob e servations on the conduit of . the War. The Right Hon. Gentleman had violated three great politica; maxims laid down by a celebrated writer, he meant Machiavel. The first was, never to believe the relations of Emigrants, relative to the state of their Country, because they 'were likely to be deceived themselves, and were deeply interest.. ed in deCeiving others. The Right Honourable Gentleman had forgotten 'this : he trusted to the relations of French - Nobles, as to the facility of overturning the French Government, forgetting' the lesson taught his Predecessor, with resped to the American Loyalists ; and the consequence was, as might be expelled, his objett failed. The second maxim was, not to trust in invading a cotintry, to internal dissentions in that country, because as the . fart proved in this instance, external war would in all probability compose those dissentions, and dice& A temporary union among the contending parties. The third maxim was, never to rely, in the event of invasion, upon any success to be derived from the state of the finances of the country invaded. ' The Right Hon. Gentleman had,. On the contrary, con sidered the whole as ,a question of finance. He should now advert to the measures pursued by the Right Hon,. Gentleman. The first great measure was an attempt to famish France, which was pro duetiv.e.of calamities to this country much greater,: than were generally imaginekl. An endeavour was made to deprive France of a supply, by buying up, corn in foreign markets ; what was the consequence ? The Corn-merchants in this country, unable to en- , ter into a. competition with Government, relin quished the trade., The supply thus rested with Government, who, introduced too little into the ; markets in the years 1793 and_l794., which pro:. duced the scarcity of 1795, a scarcity which 'did not arisefrom a bad Harvest, but from the scanty supply of the years 1793 and 1794. The scarcity of . 1795 obliged the Governmet4 to invite -the Cern-merchants • to resume their trade, the cense-- ; plence of which was, the country was exhausted of money from the large sums paid for foreign Corn and this, added to large subsidies..sent out of the kingdom, produced the stoppage • of the Bank in February 1,797 —These were the corsequenCeS of an attempt to famish France. The next point was the e inbiguity Of the Right Hon. Gentleman's conduit, Which left it a matter of doubt whether this country was aging as the Ally of Other Powers, or endea vouring to make a conquest of the ,territories of France. ,By .this .condutl, the Right .. . Hon. Gen tleman alienated, not only the ,RoyaliSts, but the King of Prussia, the latter of whom retired from the contest when be saw it was till, object of this Country to dirnember France, whilst the Royalists. evere disgusted by our conduct at Valenciennes arid Toulon. The third , measure which he protested .against, was the system . Of Subsidiee to Foreign ,Powers, Subsidies having been granted by the Right Hon. Gentleman to those Powers, of a magnitude before unexampled, -an instance of which was to' be found .in the Subsidy to Austeia in the year 1797. The fourth measure he alluded to; was the Expedition to SteDcerningo, in which it was undecid ed whether it was meant to take , ,possession of the , island in the name of the French King, or to make a conquest of it. If the Right Hon. Gentleman had indicated. an intention of taking possession of it for the French King, 'the inhabitants would readily have submitted ; if it was intended to 'make a conquest of the Island; the Expedition was ridi culous; as only 750 men were sent out, though before the conclusion of the war in that Island we lost is,ooo men, and expended 22,000,0001. . The Expedition to La Vende6, which he should next adverteto, was a disgrace -to this coUntry. in the E)ipeditiori to Holland- We were told . that the .people were to join the Army; who „were Sent out in an undisciplined state ; Itit it was a rash •measure: The next measure was, theo[derssent ...out to Egypt to break the Convention entered into with the French. ThiS was alSo a rash measures; it catisededs to,giVa offenCe to Turkey, and obliged us to send to Egypt the only Army we 'had left, which ought to have Served for the defenee of Per „tugal; in consequence of Which we suffered hee,to be subdued by Prance. The Repedition toe Egypt was successfully concludede. happily by. the Peace which wedrad just : made. dint would 'any man in theHodse say; that T'eace might nor have been more happily obtained when Bonaparte offered it ? And ought not the Right Hon Gentleman to haVe known,- that Bonaparte was the Chief of the Bris sotine Party, . who were always favourable . to Peace ? He must have known the .rums on Which Peace was •then proposed to be made ; tit bad now been concluded on much 'worse' terms than might then have been Made. Added to this; Peace would `have at that period:opened tons another market. for the , supply of this-Country With corn: Another charge which he made; wa's.the indticing Austria to renew the War, when the Right Honourable Gen tletnan ought to have known that Austria was not in a: situation to renew it. The consequences were well kneWn Atistria was i'nbdoect rind compelled. .to:! Make peace on tfie terms dictated by 'France ; who might; _ if she had chosen, have takeri pos session of Vienna. One subjeft mote, he should refer to, which was the quarrel with the Northern_ Powers ; and which might have been prevented if Malta had ,been, given up to the.Etpperor of Russia. Was any' better artangetuctit trtatiowith respell: to that island ? Was -it . More likely to fall into tiff. hand's 'of France when under the dot - hihien of RuSsial than .while it, was under the, sovereignty of Naples? The bra Very of otir nattier), and . the death of thii- Empetor Paul; had fortunately effe6led a. ehang4 or otherwise a force Might have been required in that quarter which, it would have been highly in.: convenient for this Country to spare: The Wart he contended; had in its ultitnate objed failed, and the calamities of the Wai• had rendered Peace ne. cessary. • Of thoe CalaMities litany Gentlemen had no idea ;--but let them look at the Poor House fort the illustration. If thiS Cotintry had even been in ai. prosperous state, the rest of Europe, ircapable of continuing the contest at the time an ofi'er of Peace was made by lonapa.te; Peace ought then to have been conclud , A. Be had now, to . exainine the con_ dud of the Right klonoutable,Gentleman had beemsaid that the Right Hon e Gentleinlm had shewd great abilities as a Financier ; he thought the Right Hon. Gentlethan had rather-displayed • great weak.: ness. The principal financial Measures of the Right Hon. Gentleman had been _the Incortie Tak ; the Redemption : of the land Tax, the addition of z48;doo,dool. to the National Debt, and the -7 crea.. tion of paper money. The Income Tait had esta blished an inquisitorial poWei in the country; and the sale or. the Land Tax had put all the landed property in al state of requisition ; it had been. adopted ,by the Minister, for the purpose of keeping up the funds; but it Should- be recolleCted that it had kept tip the price of beef arid muttori at the „Sitne time: In consequence of this ineasure;, thousands had perished in the Poor:.houSes=---(Altiett iiirirmio).-I.;et a Comthittee be appointed; he said; " Id-inquire, -and . they would-find that a much greater number perished within the last two years, than at, any formerperiod.-48,cocnciddl. had : been add e d to the National Debt, Whilst paper money had beers created, which had kept up the price of all the ne. cessarics . of 'life. - With respect to the sale of the - Land .Tax, they :cotild not see the mischief of if; but wheitthoother parts of the Land Tax came to 'be sold to strangers; the Country would then see the full extent of the mischief. Paper.thoney had raised the price of the necessaries of life; and open rated against the Country. With, respea to the War, 'he would ask, had it been successful, or 'had its object been aittaitied, and, he trusted, it would be generally an§wered, "No." It might be said; that the , Right Hop. Oentlerrian had received no, ertioltinietir from his'Administration.; He admitted it ; the Right HOnourable Gentiernan .was not t nem Of avarice; hut of inordinate ambition—the Right I lonotirable Gentle Man had,, however, ex; tended the arts of corfuption; he had ditribute4 in' tfie, course of his administration; more than Job' Peerages, and with a proper Waste of the public Morley, he had given away more, than 586 Pensions; His conduct relative to the Catholics of Ireland' was to be highly condertined; as he had endeavoured to make a large body.of His Majesty's Stihitas look to him.personally, for that boon tvftiCh was to come ftdm the Crown; With respeft"to the Debts of the Civil List, the .conduCt of the Right Hon; Gentleman was- extremely ctilpable in the manner in which. the Revenues Of that Civil Liit were disttibtited. What could, be more dangerous than for a Minister to render. the King's Sons in some measure dependent Upon him-.: 'self, by giving thoie sums to them out of the Civil List, the grant of whiCh might to come froth Parlia; ment ? The Miniiter Ought likewise to have considered the right of the King's eldest Song instead of .giving him, from time to time; sums out Of the Civil List; The Noble, Lord (BEL daAvE), having given notice -of his inception td move a proposition of Thanks to His Majes ty'slate MinisterS, he had thought it his duty to call the attention of the House to the toncluft of the late - Chancellor of the EXchequer. He thought it necessary; fdr the sake of the Magistraty of R o y a l.; ty, that Gentlemen- should be . cautious hdve, by a vote of such a . haturee they erea.ed a • pthirer unknown, to the . COnstittitiona Let their! take care they did ' not eitablish a 'power by sueli means supreme; every over the Xing himgelf e for the motion ,Of Thanks applied' tn' Men who had been removed . from office .by the King Having .briefly tecapitulatcd the ar guments' he' had used; he Concluded by moving, "'That an - humble Address should be presented' to HiS Majesty; ekpreSiVe of the Thanks of the House - to fiis Majesty, for having been pleased to remove : the Right Hon, WILLIAM PITT froth his CdtincilS." Lord BELGRAD E said; that he rose to make a MOtion; by way of 4mendrneat to the Motion of the .Ffort Gentlenian who 'had . just sat dciwn. -He could hardly think: the HonL Gentler-Pan Meant • se riously to press his Kotion, as- it was notorious .that iris Right Hon. Friend had resigned his Situa tion; •and'.had not been dismissed Us Majesty's stvice. The 'Consequence of: agteeing to . this 'Vote therefote would be, that the Hou.se votild address the King to thark him for dc;ing What he had, not 7done.—;.The Hon., Gentleman had dwelt upon a'SUbjea very 'much in derail, which made.nd - part of the, present SubjeCt, the Subject of Peace ; it was a distina Question,' ;end ought td lie. argued on separate grounds,, at a , Separate , time:- He said, that he came forward with . much readiness,: as lie Could not helpeanticipatirg a Very and Cordial support to the Motion which he should have the honour to.cortelude. .He eritertained , Ahat expeetationd , both from' cite disposition appatent inl - the House-on-a- forther evening, ioen • the subjet was .first scatted, and from the nature of the- Motion itself, which embraced a general Vote cif approbation of the leading Measurei of Flis Majesty's Councils during . the late Wirovhich.had been frequently the sullied of commentligion in that liotise, and rectird.: ed in the Journals; in terms very honourable and flattering ? in various AddreSsel to the Throne,- But though the 6arulud. of Goverprrierit hadebeen scveot