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it y the Order of Council a measure of political neiissity. which it would have been criminal in Minister'=, not to advise his Majesty to adopt ? He thought it At the same time it was perfectly fair in those 'wh‘) - disapproved of the Dissolution; to tell Allniiters that they had put themselves into ajsituation in Which they were compelled to break the law, and that • t herefore they must abide by the consequences of their 'ad--` vice to his Majesty to dissolve Parliament. Every facultr,and energy of the Country ought to be called forth in this momentous crisis; but nothing . could give him greater al , litn than to see such conces !ions granted to the Catholics as seemed to be recom- . . mended by his Noble Friend who bud just -sat down. - He contended, that it was untrue to say we were a divided people.: He had , oppeoed the Catholic measure,: because he. 'thought it•pregnant With the utmost danger .to the Constitution ; for, ditreriug oompletely frail - Lillis Noble. Friend . on.-this Subject, he owned that he had always under Stood .that Protestantism and,clol liberty were as insepara :!.ble as popery and civil liberty were incompatible.— This Country must-have an Established Church if it wished to preserve:rehgionand tnoratsi and what Church was preferable AO the Protestant ?' Lord REDESDALE tcotitended, that to make further, Concessions to the Catholics would tend to make Catholicism the establishoderelibtiOn of Ireland. It would be altogether as unwise at this time to.grant the concessions lately propriO, as it would have been , to make the Chevalier Charles Edward commander in Clikf of the Army iu t 1-1 1 5. . Lord GRENViLLP disclaimed all intention of subititUtink a Catholic for a Pt:on:swill I. , :iabli.htnent Ireland,in 'no man would nib! oppu.4 such a proposition, it it could poiSibly be mad... 'The &idol BUCKIN<'iIWiSTIM t A e E,. t thought no farther concesSions ought now to, be made to the Catholics, wad; fat from Thinking - Alt:lt such concessions may not boa made at .Sonat tinitue 'time with great propriety. He • felt...biniselfvfully. warranted in voting . for the iudetnnity. 'The Earl of WasTmoRLAND denied the ;obliga- Oan and the policy of making the proposed conc6t sions.' After some explanation from Lord 1161 ! LAND,Who said he should to- morrow move for affititeratien in ;the preamble, the Bill was read a second stile, and ordered to be committed to-morrow. 'Adjourned at Two o'clock this morning - ROUSE OF COMJ!ONS, - lIONDAY, JULY 13. • • New Writs were ordered, for'Dorchester, in the' room. of Ashley Cooper,, who had accepted the place of Clerk of the Ordnance.; for .Grantham, !in the room of ------, who had accepted the place of the Clerk of the Deliveries of the Qi - dnao Ce; for Youghal, is the room of Lord Boyle, called up to,the Tiorte of Peers; and for St. Mawes, in the room arCAO-, vel . Shipley, who 'haVing been •alsdreturoed tbr the It 1 7. Borough of Flint, had made his ele i aion to serve for tie latter ,place. On the Motion of Mr. STUNT, n Committee was appointed to take 'into consideration the Standing Orderfi. of-the House relative to -the Turnpike Road 8.11, so far as it relates to the Estimates upoir tons presented to that House. ARMY cwTHING' AND AGENCY. Mr. Cocw4istut JonssTotie gave notice, that day fortnight he should submit'a motion to .ihe House, relative to 'Army Agency and Clothing ; but as he conceived it necessary that the House, should be in possession of . certain documents reli-• tive to that, questian, he took that opportunity of .giving notice, that he, should, 'to-morrthv, move for the following Accounts An AccOunt of all Sums of Money issued to the Army Agents, froth the 25th of December, 1605, to the (24thof December, 1.806, specifying the names of those Agents, the noMtier of Re;iinetits of the Line, Militia s and Fencibles, for which they are • employed, and the accounts of the Securities given by them for the faithful discharge of the trust re posed in t hem. An Account of all Sums of Money issued to each and every of the Army igents, by way of eompen- Wiwi for hit trouble in the affairs of the different Re, gitnents of which he has the :nanagernent, and pt_°tany other ilublic Expellees, front rile 25fh.0l • 14 vgember, .1805, to the 24th of Decemher, 1806, 1/ P"cifying the several beads of service fur which the compensation is grantee. • ALI ACCULIIIE or all Sum's' of Money advanced rg)onthly to the, Army Agents. for' subsistence, &c. kr what 1 ,, rinds these Paymems atyt wade in act Vance, a n d t h e names of Af;e'ttl. Att AecOunt of the Expellee 14 Agency, attend ing the 26.11 Article , of the Absitact of the Army _,Lthnates for this year, presented to the on l '°q- 1 &nu:117)1.1V lithieS_o( tut; ts entitled to receive the same, and the:amount paid to each Agent. A statement Of the mode of issuing the Rinds ap- Pllcablutathe Volunteer Seriitce, thrtiugh the ()thee of the Agent General, with an Amoun t of the Ex- Pence of th at E sta bli s hment, train the Ist of June, 1803, to the Ist of Jan. 1805, specifying the (litre rent heads under which the same has L)CCII i3CUA. A Srateruent of the Sums expended in Groat BO ?in; for the Volunteer Service, between the Ist of June; 1803i* and the 'lst of Jan. 1805, vecifying rticylarly how much has' been applied to the fol. ; wi ng heads, viz'. attending at Drill, Inveaien, ,ertnanent Duty, also of Drill Serjeants, Aduiants, rieants, Majors, Inspecting Field Officers, Briga mler %metals, Majors of Brigade, Aids-de-Catup, and Clothing. • An Account of all the sums of Money to which the Regi ments o f th e Li n e are Willed for Clothing, troth the I451:1 at' December, 1804, to the 25th of ccember, 1805, specifying the number of Regi- Punts. A Return of the Number of eireaive Non-com- Thissioneti Officers and Privates on the Strength of the Regiments of the Line, from the 2zith of De cember, 1804, to t h e g&t i l of December, 1805. A Return of the Number of ciffedive Officers of each rank on the Strength of the Liue, from the 43cbof11=etuber, 1,804, to the es th of December, DEFENCE OF THE COP.:WIRY. WIIITBREAII brought up his Bill for pro trlltiog+4ll4 fmco,pr%ing InOthtly. amongst ithe La 01.1rin Classes, and tor tiw twttcr ft.:~Yctlatiot~ any! . "• elier( TTECNecits"iitotii Pour.--i Lad a iiiirticpc. On. the qtlestion that th.., ... .. iiir, J/71-/,'ArBR Fill) -expressed hi4regrectleit he, -lin &hi not .)., ii•,le ld bring torWeirdilisecond- read e) •,,, the day on Which he had at first proposttd,_ ' . .n . l! , 'lss. he f?it hihiself.in the same situation efirh ' several other liotE . M , ,ebbers, who, woeld be obliged to attend their duties as Coantry Gentlemen at the . 41,u irter Se,sions and at the Assizes:, It would hays; . bet4ti his wish 'that the Bill should proceed through its second stage on the day whieb he bad erigmaily 'proposed; but, with a view to the . thities which he had to perforin in the country. he found it impossible • •to fix. the'seeond r6acling of theßill for . an earlier day • than Monav next. , A, many other Gentlemen wil) , might wish tolake a share in the dlicussioe,el this, measure would feel themselves in the seine situation with hini,elf, be had•the less diffictilty in proposing to put off the 'discussion to that day. Being upon '' his legs, he wiThed to take that opportunity ,of ad verting to the very alarming situation of public affairs; and putting a.qnestion "to • the Right Hon. Gentle man near him (Mr. Irilibreaebeing then at the Ministerial Side 'of the . Hous,e )-= -whether it was in the contemplation of his Maje sty's Miniskts to sub mit an immediate proposition to the Hieliie, founded upon the distressing circumstances in which the late calamitous intelligence•from the Continent showed the world in general, and this country 'in particular, to be placed. ) •It any such proposition wore ,- . in- tended, he trusted, that it should not 'be brought forward without proper notice, and • that the _Right Hononiable Gentle Man opposite Would not think of- diseussing a question, of so much importance whilst -a large proportion or the Members of that House would be necessarily absent, . but take every means Of procuring the fullest attendance of Par ,. sentient. The CHeINCELL , OI?t!I the EXCHEQUER, in reply to the Hon. Gentleman, rose to du that which A had previously been his kiwi:tit:is to de as soon as'the Hon. Member sliduld have satdoWl47--nunc ly to give notice; on the' part of his NoWe Friend, the ..Seeretary of State fur • War •and Coloniel, to bring forward, a Motion on Friday next relative to . the State of the Unitary of the Country. He should be sOrry, therefOre, that the observations which had fatten from the Mitt. Gentlemau should, indace• die House to suppose that Friday : was an' inconvenient day fur, that_ purpose.. He could see tin reason why his' Noble Friend might not on Friday open his plan: to the House, because that plan could not be carried into earth; without a Bill, ill tile- 'VaZiOCIS stages of which there would be fnaquent opportutii ties, in the course of next week, of dist:kissing its merits. But if it should be the feeling of the House, or even this wish of theHou. Gentlemen hintsvit, tll4 the Motion otitis Nublo Friend should be deferfea to . Muni iv, he had no hesitation to say, than. his Noble Friend would not have any objection to pat. off' his Metton.to that days tilOughit svas extremely desirable that even the smell space of three_ (hies shOuld not be hist in Ininging tot ward . a suia,pel - t e , so much impoi - ewe, .ft, on the. eentraiy, the tfilid should fe, i Litat nu meonveilience w(aild ariSe from Having the general exposition of the plan male on • Friday, udder an understandin:c ..,ti at wouid . he to • ttit be discussed in detail, after the intwodution of the measure founded iyou that e:yosition, lie availed • hinfself of . that occ..sion to give notice of the inten. tion of his Noble Friend to bring forward his Motion on Friday. He had already stated to the' Noble Lord opposite (Lord Howlett) the intention ofisis Nobleloriend,to bring forward an . important ques tien on 'the subje&, to which the question of the Hon. Gentleman, related, on Friday next ; and he had the authority of that Noble Gentleman to say, that Friday would be a more convenient day tabula for haying the subject brought lorwaid. , • Mr, litfilMlo34l,), thuilo . desirous of being•• present at all the stages of so important a question, • did not feel disposed tuobjed to the course proposed by the Right Hoe. Gentleman. But he begged leave to submit, . whether the proposition of the Noble Lord might notbe made on Friday, and the dist:Vi sion noon it adjourned. to the Wednesday tblloWing, in which 'case the °Nat of - Abe Noble Lord Would he attained by opehing his Plan on Friday, and there would by only a delay of three days before the House would 'have 4.4Uelde upon it. . Th 2 ,CILLWELLOR of the .EXCHEQUEA expmisca himself obliged to his Honourable Friend, (ii, he would permit him so locale him) for . t be man ner in which he had :seceded to•the course he pro posed. In whatever way his' Noble Friend tlhonld proceed, the objet of the Hon. Gentleman would be answered, beeause, whether the exposition ,were, to" be made on Friday, or on 'a future day,' the Hon. Gentleman would have all opportunity of discussiog Qte merits of th' plan when the Bill to be founded upon it should be brought before the Haase. ' u,-. Witvermiaet declared' hioiself.sailified with the course p r iyo se d, ivhieji bed already tieen'tnet with the approbation of his; No le Fiii..`zOl (Lord flowlex)..,, The Cita:cents:3a of . the Exe-tclittla then ex pressed a with that his Right Ho n' . Friend the Se eretaiv at War should put off his N otion relatiVe. to the further 'Estlinates teethe Army, which stood for this day, on it after the exposition of his Noble Friend's' plan on Friday. -, The" Sceaeirmty at Wan acquiesced in the wish '' of his Right dot'. Friend, and put atf his Notice' to Friday next. Lord HOIVICA: expressed his entire aconieseenCe . in th., arrangement propoied by the Right Hon. Gentleman opposif 4, and cleAtrea tiimik!lf personally ()hilted to that Right Hein. ..... I t; ent.eman fur his early enininunicatiou to 'him of the intention of the Noble Lord, respe:ting the important motion which he was to make on Friday. ' As'the Right Hon. Gentleman had desired. the Mrther Estimates for the Army to be • deferred :hail after the exposition of the plan to be brought.forward on Friday, it was to be inferred that • that' plan had some reteretmee to the defence of the Country. He. wis'ied tube informed, whether, as there was every appearance of engagements lowing • been entered into with4breign Powers, It was likely that any communication would by made to. the House on the subject of Anal engagemeritsat;.an early day ? This, question lie put because he thOught it in that the House should 'have sonic information upon the subita, but if the - Right Him. Geotlemen opposite' ahouidconsider it ineompatible with. their sense of public duty to give an answer, he should not press the matterfurther. , : ikir.'-Secratay 04NAlitikiGt replied, that undoubt edly certain engagements bad been entered into with . . :eigh--14swerarats4.that-it-had• betsa-t he intent iOn. pt: ht.s Alajestys.b.tinistert not to. batiiir Pa rliktuient, Oa . . Separate without roniting a cornmunication upon the subjea. These engagements had, however, been . eottliqgtit, and Minkters hod thonght it better to defer ti; - at cothratinicatvin for a shGrt time; in order to ascertain whother the• contingency upon which the engagements deponded would take place. It was deemed desirable that the communication should be made in the most Verfect manner, and.not . subject •to the contingency. But it never had been the in tention of his Majesty's Government to suffer the "sent . Sessiou to elapse without malting a commu nication to Parliament ; and he mason to think, that hetiwe the conclusion of the present week, or early in themext week, he should have the authori ty of his Majesty to make a communication on that subjed to the HOuse. he Bill was then ordered to be read a second tune on Monday nest. Mr. LETHORthGE brought up the Itepert: of the Committee on Mr. Palmer's. Petition . ; which was ordered to be printed; 'and reterred'to a . Comroittee thii day se'nnight. - The StistuFFs of the city of London presented a Petition against the Christ-Church Poor Bill ; ‘vhich was referred to the Committee upon the Bill. • Mr. FOSTER; adverting to the Notice which he had given for Wednesday next, on the subject of not proposing to grant more than the .Usual yearly grant to the Seminary at Maynooth, on the ground that he had found no document to thew that an ad- • ditional grant was. called for, stated, that he had since learned that part of the tnontsy had been issued,. and steps taken for the ereCtion of.t he intended addl..' tional building. lAr this rtason lie was Induced to depart Born his origitral.-intention, and then gave notice, that he should .ott 'Wednesday move not only the annual sum of aootg. but the additional 50001. voted last Session, at the' same tiMe that he should trot consider himself preelnded.•by• so doing from entering intolhe tuerits,of • such a ,Kraut, whenever that questionn - should be brought _before the. House next Session. - NIL WILLIAMS WYNNIA, in cOnsequence of the ootice of the Right lion. Gentleman, withdrew his notice on the subjea, which IA this day. Lord HoWtcx expressed his 'satisfitaion .that the Right 11cm. Gentleman, on a re=eousideration of sokieet, had abandoned his original intention. . , Thu Custicat.tox of the Akctutouttt brought down a Message from his Majesty, in which he ex pressed his deSire to have the aueen's Palace and lands of Froginore settled upon her Majesty and the Princesses, and requested the House to take the proper steps for'settling the same. The Message was 60'erred to a Committee of he whole House: TilC: SECRI',TARY at. Wmt pieiiented a Return of 'thy. Names of (Micas of the rank of cers, ow 031 the Hail-pay of his Majesty's Army.-- Ord,.red to iie on the takle. ri . • DU NJDA I br,)tkitt up a Bill for enabling the 13,:tst.„Intlin Comps ay to raise Money upon Bonds, or by increaiing their .tort;.---head a first tin'io l to bo reit,i :1 second time to-morrow. Tile SEC/u T:title WAtt brought up a Bill for the•tyetzer l'ayibent bi . Liala-pay Utlicers, and of MU of the Widt).V7i of OiliCCl'Sj which, after a iew observations froin Geacral Fitzpatrick, was read a 'first ela:, and ordered to be read a sedond tine on Wednesday. Kirin brought up a Bill for encourtigiug the Exptirt of baltvd Boef auJ Pork from Ireland.— Itcad a first time, to be rttatra seConJ time to-mor row. Ordered, on the Motion of Mr. FosTnn, that there be, laid before the aouse a Return of all Warrants for the suspension of part of the Duties on Raw Sugar imported into Ireland under the thrty-sixth of the Ki ng; w hich altturn was. then presented, and ordered to lie on the table. coNIMITTEF, OF SUPPLY. The 'House, nn the Motion of the dritiNCELLOIt of the EXCHEQ,tItiIt, r,csolved itself ita Committee of Sutyly, 'to whien the, lleport , from the Committee appointed to prepare an Emilnate of the Oarge . of the Pay and Clothing of the Militia of Groat Britain and Ireland watt referred. Mt:. tiohho'nse in the' chair. The folloading autp3 werethp.voted Vor Extraurrtiil4rigs of the army inzatE4) "froth %sat Pee., 11105 to 23tit 644% IBA 9 793,7t0 o 8 mixt out ptuviktc4 tbroy k'Arlurrtcot 4 ). Army Extraordioarie* tor Gre.tt ttritain tbr the yc.tr 1807. 2,900.069 0 '0 Ditto tot Iteland. . . 600,000 0 O It was :1140 voted, that a. provision be made for the pa v and clothing of the Militia of England ail Ireland, and a provision for.the allowances to stir,. jeant-majors, adjutants, and .snbaltern officers Of. Militia in Great Britain. The House then resumed, and the Report was ordered to be rece . ived to-mor row. . • . . • The, Windsor Voret gill waii . read a seqc,)od 'tittle, . and orderitd to bi. , cvintuitied to-morrow. Sit r. Tutt.r.,N, at ibe relitesCof the Chancellor of the Exchequvr, put Oti' Asii Motion re:nava ,to India, fro at Friday to Tuesday next. COMMITTk.g WAYS MERNS ‘ LoTTLRY.. • . The House, on the Motion of theettAptcrumti of ,the iesolved itself into 'a Committee of Ways and Means, Mr. Hubhouie in Chair, when . the usual Resolutions viere voted reSpeaing the Lot; tery, and tho Chancellor of the Excileyler stated,_ that it had been' suggt....sted to make Tickets in the third Lottery, in a certain proportion, 'prizes in tine t_vo , first Lotteries, instead of horns ier money, but Ow lid would not then ,;ive any. opinion UIYOII the solij , :.!d, but leave the in iltur for the future decision of the llouse when t!:e : Ltittery Bill should be brought in. Some Re',oltitions were also voted re spelti lig the Irish Sump Duties; wheuthe House hav ing restued, the Report %vas ordered to be received to-morrow. POOR LAWS. , . Mr. ,WittritattAb moved, that the Parigh School iiU be now tee d . a second time. Mr. DAytus Glopy mowed, as an Amendment, that, in place, of the word " now," be inserted, " qay three tnouths." • Mr. Moaats disapproved of the local manner of hying; the Poor Rates; and said that he should sup port toe Amendment. ELLtsox .surpo•tod,this atpendment, on the ground tit:it the op4rai,on of the silk, would be to Li\ the landed. intereg for the purposes had in view, and that if, the e'uation of the poor were to be taken up as'a national ob . ita, the expellee ought to be defrayed out of the general funds of the country. . . Air: STURSES BrarizNE wished the_ plpn to stlod iroperedueati4n should be gi - ven to the poor. 1T, , 1 thenglit the . titst provision i.Vould he, to charge • • expence upon r v ile Poors' Rite, in proportii,ti 10 wants, and The powers and the wishes of the Pal; H.; rattler r/;'2l.n. make,the matter the suhje.l of a gencral unlisthianishilig compulsory charge. —He dWelt very feeliiv,ly upon the cruelties practised upon Parish Apprentices, which, were to be imputed prin cipalry to the compulsory nature of the obligation to take them. ' . Sir SAstutt Romit.tAr argued strongly thlt the should go into a Committee; though he did not COntelia that it should be finally passed before the mkt session. The education of the poor . ‘•cittlkl t Illeness of thepoor, and consequently the pOors' rAte. __ _ Mr. itOSA: wished the Bill to go.into a Committee, to try if it could be made more perfca. He thougk it desirable to teach the - poor to read ; of 'the ,expe, diency of teaching them to'write he doubted ;. than that, he was sure Would put .them beyond their situations, and wOuld'therefore be injurious. Mr. LUSIIINGTMN recommended education es the best foundation of religion, morality, ;and in dustry._ ~ Mr. DuNnAs concurred in `the principle of edit• eating the poor. in Scotland the parents of the children paid a rate tiked by the Magistrates, in aid of the parochial allowance, to the Schoolmaster. The parochial allowante Was defrayed by an assessment on the land. Mr: Sumps/ . thought no good could be done by going into a CoMmittee. Leird MILTON spoke in favour of the Bill, which he wished to he expedited by all possible sne.ins. Mr. ulogro T:thon g :,t indiscriminate educe , : Lion inexpedient, as tending to contihmd !!1 ranks of people. Mr. TP7II7IIRE4D returned his Itcknowlet ments for the spirit of candour with which 6)4 'nwasure had been treated hi all parts of the House. fle thought it his duty, after all the mention he had given to the .suitjeci, and all thc... pains ho had taken 'to put the House and ihe Public in possession of the *result of his labours, to press J . Ol a iletision this Session, at least upon the great principle, Whether or not education was a source of indus try, virtue, and prosperity, and whether a sys tem of general educatiim ought to be adopted in this country. If this cowitry continued great :and prosperous, as he hoped it would, a system of general education would soon be discerned to bo of the u.most importance, and would, of course, be adopted. If good education was not substituted, mischievous and wickededucati. in would prevail, to the 0-eat increase of the public burthens, and the great depravation of public morals. It. was for the principle of a national education that he con tended. , If the principle should , be adopted, he would be ready to agree to every advisable modid cat ion. 1111 the Members who had spoken on the nuestion explained. The Marquis of TITCIIPIELD tholight much be nefit would result from . general education, but said that benefit 'may cost too dear, Hu wished therekire for some infertnation al to the probable expellee. Mr. WkwraagAD COUld not say how Lir. the pa rishes may be proviled with, or .be. destitute of buildings; that may inswer for School;. In many parishes it would not be necessary to expend a. shil ling on -that .aceount. Schoolmasters may Dc provided at a very cheap rate. The ULM CELLOR of the EXCHEQUER wished the 4i1,1 to go into a Committee, with a view to the utmost fairness of consideration. It was the wish, 'unquestionably, of every one in, the House to render the lower classes of the community better and happier. He feared, however, that the kind 'of education here proposed, though it may give learn-. ing, would not contribute much to dithtso industry, religion, or Morality. lielemrcld a general Legisla tive Establishment would injure and destroy the v e . , 'wavy establishments for public education now ex isting. He recommended a Comtnissiou of Inquiry, to ascertain the state of the charitable foundations prosecutlng tbr public education already established'. A Com ilinndlrwelaal:;:ta,44wai(tititoot any salary to the mimi ininstittiliGvnnei:t.tslittinissl), and With . ifut ; , :mac.. tz*W• When such a Commission should have ascertained whathad been already done, it would be time enough to inquire what further may tie dune. He defended the principle of the Pour Laws. However the sys tem may be abused; a s ev e r y •l arge system must be liable to abuse, it was a proud. characteri s ti c o f t h e nation, that charity was incorporanfd into the 'Le gislature. The poor of , this country had conseque n tly an interment the maimenunce of its constitution and independence, which the people of no oi l ier COW! ry kid. He said the education proposed wotild dis qualify tho persons possessing tram t ti e most Attieful description of labour. Tue tllakers were mentioned as a class universally edu c..tifrdt The et ample strengthened his argument— for he never knew of an Agriculthral. Quaker. fie wished the Bill to be made as perfect as possible, though be did not think it advisable ultimately to adopt it,, and without a prospect of ultimate adop tion, it would perhaps be useless labour to improve the plan. Mr•. SkiA.w LEFevitg was for going into the Com mitte;t. But in the Committee it would be desirable to incorporate other plans, - • in favour of the trea surSei:atrituNokzwZelalTsioltria4to speak strongly against the inefficacy and inexpediency of punishing forgery with death. The Gallery was cleared for a division on the queh , tion of the second reading ; but the Bill was read a second time without dividing. Sir T. TORTONI` spoke . in favour of going into the Committee, but he thought compulsory educatioit unacivisablty when voluntary education was every where establishing itself sucxtensively. Mr. spdEnN thought it would be lost time to into a Committee on a . lllll to which theliouse t as adverse. He recommended to withdraw t .111.1, and brMg in another Ma more acceptable form . . Mr. Rosa spoke to the same etre&t. STANHOPE thought the measure would be extremely expensive and inefficacious ; and in many instances 'wholly inipreflicable. He highly apprtwed Q 1 the part .4)1 the Hon. Gentleman's general pl ea which went to equalise tile county rate, acid was sorry it had been lost sight of. I: ort i Psrr tbous;iit it .would be mostrandid iii'tl wbe : were advstss to to tnir.