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ILA. PARLLLTIEIVT. HOUSE OF PEERS; MONDAY, JAN. 26. The Duke of Devonshire, the Earl of Pomfret, and Lord Mendip, took the Oaths and their Seats. Iu the A.ppeal c' Lewes v. Moigai," Mr. 1 erci 7 val vvas heard for the Appellant. ;--Further hearing t.o-morfow. 4 The further consideration of the 4ppeal f` Cham ley.i.,. Lord Dunsany," was deferred till Thursday. 'The Indemnity pill, and Iliowyer's Lottery pill, IFere read a third time and passed Adjourned till to-morrow (this day). HOUSE OP CO . MANS, NorspAy, JAN. 20. A new Writ was ordered for the Ele&ion of a l'e,presentative.for Canterbury, in the room of Mr. Simmons, cleeeased. • .•• • .• Several' Petitions were presented against the Oak park Regrating Bill, which were ordered to he on the table; among these were Petitlefns from --the Tanners of Herefordshire, of Yorksbire, Northamp tonshire, and the County of Longford.. . The Loan A.EIVOCATE bro(ight in a Bill for Sus pending the Powers of the Lords of Council-in Scot land so far as they relate to the Atiginentation of the Salaries of 'the Clergy.-s-Red a first, and or: tiered to 15e read a second tiin - ele s inerrow. • • Mr. -SIIERII3 O 4.IIr, after ads'erting to the obser vations of an - Hon. Friend behind . .:hica (Mr. Whit 's:64Y ,relative" to the propriety of making sortie' farther 'provision for regulating the office of the Treasurer of the Navy, upon which observations his Pion. Friend declined to at last Session, in conser quence of his suggestion that time .-was requisite psore satisfaCtorily to arrange those regulations, gave notice that be would on Monday se'nnight move for leave to bring in a Bill for Regulating the Office of the Treasurer of the Na v y. Lord TEMPLE moved the Order of the Day for the second reading of the Oak Bark Bill, with a view, as the Noble Lord stated, of postponing that Order until this day fortnight. The Hon. C. HERBERT thought this measure cif considerable importan ce , a n d deprecated any hastP in its progress. It involved, - in his judginent, the whole question With regard to engrossing and re- grating, at least so far as that principle referred to the 44 of James I. a clause of which it was the pro fessed intention of the Bill to repeal, and in so doing to elter that course which the country had, pursued fa, r upwards of 200 years. In such a case the ut most deliberation was necessary ; and, in order that pis deliberation should be resorted to, he would to morrow move for the appointment, of a Committee to consider of the Alt of James, and to report whe ther the whole, or what parts ought to be repealed. There Were 'clauses in this Ad which referred to the tanner, the currier, and the shoeniaker and the security of each from the penalties 'of the 'Ai:st de pended,, in most instances, upon the attention to its precepts on the part of others : therefore, a full view of the Whole of the prOVisionS of this Ad, and a careful examination of - the relative state of each party, was necessary to the purposes of justice. • . Mr. WILBERFORCE stated, that this Bill, had ex vited considerable attention in Yorkshire, , and that he approved of the Course proposed .by the Hon. G=entleman who' spoke last: Lord TEMPLE stated the motives which induced him to propose thiS Bill : he under Stood that the clause meant to be repealed had lain dormant for several years, during which the - Oak Bark trade had gene on fully to the satisladion of all parties con cerned. in it. But some time since it ,svas adted upon, and penalties sued for very improper motives: TO - these penalties, any 'one was liable who bought bark in order• to' sell ag4in. 'There-, fore, according to the, opinion of the first Law Au thorities•he had consulted, every one who sold bark became subject to those penalties, with the excep tion ,only of the timber growers. The consideration of this circumstance, conne&ed with a knowledsse of the fad', that .the generality of those who sold bark were not growers, but persons who bought bark in various cliredions for the purpose of sale, determined him to bring ,in this .Bill ; and this de termination was strengthened by.a desire to deprive the Simber • growers of that exclusive' r i g ht of s elling. bark, whichthe law, as it stOod, confirmed to them, and thu; gave them the power of monopoly., 1 1 1. e hoped that he stood acquitted of the imputation of any Wish to hurry this Bill, or to produce any other, e'eselt than that which shordd,servc to do justice to ail the parties, argil to prothete interests of the chnntry—(llecer fleet !)-:i'r'e N 106 1 .6 Lord con dude(' with expressieg his apptobation of the Me- Son of which' his lion: Relation'-had - given notice;'- add . stated, that in rnovin . cr to pk - psine the second , reading, of this:Bill till this day fortnight, he did SO in the unclers - randins, bat .11. the' , Corninittee to be moved for by I ion. Rerritike - shoulcraidt brit - ages:o its Report by that day ; .he'would move a farther postponement forAsotherrini,glit. - • •i Bsicenwris ans ervticate Cor the appointment of a Coin eni t tes-a WsiS:Mr s A - 6e. Mr. RIDAIV thought the candid manner: in which his Nibble Friend had'saded,, 'Was pe'culiaily entitled to- the thanks of the parties concerned ; 'but suggested to his consideration, Whether in..agreeing to postpone. tlic measure so long,.fie•might not ex pose several 'psi,seSi do the pieia:tics against, which the Bill proposed to guard, as the Suspension Bill Of .. hst Pei Lament , :Vas'ty &-xpire in ferty 'after cairn 211 C -C m 64 of . The Right 1--ion. Gentleman did riot tiliink the subject. sacorn plieSted that The CointriittleVght not report much sn(mner than sii,nceltO be . 415theds hot if the Re port should be delayed, he recommendes!. that the suspension should be farther continued for two or tin-_e roor ths. -•-- • ith...ROSE observed, that there was,- no probabi lity; :1 - litevdr that the deliberations of the p r 6posed could be far prOlynactl, as not to af ford time for carrying -a. Bill throutr Parliament titneencie4h - to prote:t thd parties; to whohl - the niolf'Fion q ua'ble qentleman alluded, from a final Judgment. -; . • fir. St. I , :ftTIVA N suggested, that to expose the par . en to the pro, t..: . 66 or ccitnmen . Cement . olan ac -40t),-would. to expose them to considerable trouble and- injustice. Air: CURRY uuaerstood that tho' peoplo of lielaud waited with considerable aniiety to know the fate or this Bill, the prOvisions of which mint be carried into a law, or. the tanning trade of that Contitty would be as iE derived its principal sup ? . - ply of oak bark from this Country. . Mr. WHITBREAD believed there veere very few Members of the House who were not applied - to upon this subje&, such was the interest it excited. He complimented the manner in which the Noble Mover of the Bill gave way t o th e suggest i o n s o f others. 1-1 - e approved of the proposed Cominiitee, and was of opinion, that the whole of the provisions of the Act of James would be found utteily inap plicable to the present times. • Mr. (..;a4TTAN apprehended that a great deal of the uneasiness which prevailed in .Ireland resped ing this-Bill proceeded frqm an incorrea conception of its object. He suspe6ted.thaf in some 'instances it vas tither supposed that the purpose of the measure was to enforce the penalties. He should, however; take Occasion, to communicate with. his Constituents, who had written to him on, the subject, and should advise them to petition the House upon the subjeel, in order that they might have an .opportunity of bringing their' sense upon it before the proposed' Committee. Lord TEMPLE'S Motion was agreed to, and Mr. HERBERT'S Notice was entered, .respeeting the POlTl ' mitiee, 6i-10-morrow. The SECRETARY at WAR brought in the Mutiny a,first, and ordered to be read a second time.this day se'nnight. Lord HOWICr observed, that the. House must, be aware that an order for the ballotting of an EleEtion Committee stood for to-morrow, and that no busi ness could be proceeded upon until, the Committee was struck. He thereforefelt it necessary to . 'state, in order to prevent disappointment or the delay of public business, that if a sufficient number of Mem bers should' not be present in due. time to proceed to the .ballot, he should feel himself justified, .in the execution of his duty, to prqpose the usual order for enforcing the attendance of Members. Ordered, on the Motion of Lord Howicx, that the Chaplain should preach before . the House,.in St. Margaret's Chapel, o n F r id a y next, being .the 30th of January. A Message from the Lords stated their Lordships' assent to Bowyer's Lottery Bill. •,Mr. C. W. WYNNE gave' notice of his intention to move, to-morrow, for leave to bring in a Bill or Bills for further continuing the Ael of the Parliament of 'Great Britain, and also the At of the Parliament of Ireland, for preveuting the Seduetion of,Seatpea and Soldiers, &c. LORD. WELLESLEY. .Lord FOLKSTONE rose .and submitted-his pro , mised Motion relative to the • re-printing of the Papers laid before the House, and printed last Par , liament, upon the subjea of the condud of Lord Wellesley towards the Nabob of Oude. The Noble Lord stated the reason of his Motion to be, in order to prevent the delay which occurred last Parlia liament, in consequence of the printing of such Papers ; adding, that if the Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Paull,) with - whom this business originated, and who now had a Petition before that House, in which he hoped to succeed, should not be returned in due •M time to prosecute the cause which he had-begun, he would himself take Up the subjea. This matter having been so long agitated, he felt that it was for the credit and interest of all parties that the House should come to some decision 'upon it. The 'Noble Lord was not aware of any objedions to this Mo tion, but if any should ' be stated, he hoped, for the indulgence of the House while he attempted • to reply. The Motion - being made, Lord HO WICK said, that the Noble Lord having now stated his intention to ground a Parliameutary proceeding upon these Papers, on as early a day as possible after they were printed, he really could not see any objeaion to the Motion proposed. The No ble Lord must feel it to be the wish of the House to come to a speedy decision upon this subje&, considering the length of time, n o w not less than three Sessions, which it had been before it, and also considering the case as it referred to the party con- cerned. He would be glad to.know from the Noble Lord the nature of the course which he meahV l to pursue ,npon this transaction, and also whether it was his intention to proceed upon the other charges advarced' upon'this subjed ? . Lord FOLKSTOKE thought it hardly fair to expe& that he should in this, the first stage of his proceeding, be called upon to state precisely the course which he might deem it adVisable to pursue:- But yet he was willing to give all the information in his power, wishing it, however, to be understood, that he would 'not hold himself -bound by whatlie might' now say. Hi s pUrpose was, as far as his min was up, to move a Resolution or Re solutions, expressive of the opinion of the House A to the condiid of Lord Wellesley relative to the M . - bob 'of Ouhe. With respea to . the other charges against that Noble LOrd, he ,felt a difficulty in an- . swering thequestion of the Noble Secretary of State, because he had devOted much less of his attention to them than: to that to which his motion referred. to . that , charge which related to the Carnatic, the, Right Hcitiont'able Gentleman (Mr. Sheridan) who sat nearThe — No - ble Secretary, stood pledged to sup port that,. it taken up by any other person ; and the j. opportunity of redeeming his pledge would, lie ra ther thought, be afforded him. Upon the subject of the Mahratta. Papers,.. he was disposed to think that they-unfolded some. transactions which would form good, g round fora charge. But upon this I point he had formed no resolution, .nor would he at present pledge himself to any other than the Oude charge. Sir JOHN "INSTRUTHEI? wished the Noble Lord would have the goodness to be somewhat more definite and intelligible as to the time at which he meant to bring forward his proposed charge, and as to . the course he meant to follow. With regard to the Mahratta - and Carnatic cnarges, the NOble - LOtTh seemed-to have a floating idea in his mind, but not 1," yet-to be resolved. It were highly desirable that the Noble Lord-should make up his mind upon these . points; for he must be aware how the Noble Per son who was the subjed'of these charges was likely to feet While they were suspended over him. That they should be decided as soon as. possible .was that. Noble Person's wish and interest, and indeed justice Called for Such expedition. He requested to know from the Noble I r ord whether 'he intended to carry his chargi beyond that House, or to confine hit t - o,the censure which his Besointion, 4nßesolutions, rajah( 1-orivey ; but he was still more anxious to he informed as to the time the Noble Lord was likely ,to bring tOrward his proposition Lord FOLKSTONE felt that his difficulties in• creased as' he proceeded in his efforts to explain ; still he would endeavour to Satisfy any ,Gentleman who might wish for information upon the subje& of his intentions. He would not pledge-himself to any other charge-than that of 00e ; and as to time, 'he should probably bring forward his motion about month, or six weeks after, the Papers' should be re printed. But that must depend Upon circumstarices. • As to the Mahratta Papers, • he had formed no deci sive opinion ; but upon the subje& of the Catnatic he referred to the Right Honourable the Treasgrer of the Navy. ' , Now, if the Pap e rs u p on th at p o i nt were brought forward by Mr. Paull, so long since as 1802. The Right - Honourable the Treasurer of the Navy had brought that business before PAElia- - mem, and frequently since had pledged himselinot to let it drop; yet he lad let it drop; for what red- , sons bad never been satisfaaorily stated by the Fight Honourable Gentleman. But whatever disagreea ble feeling upon this point Might be ex - cited in' the Noble Lord's mind was attributable to Mr. Sheridan. The Noble Lord concluded with a hope that he had satisfaelorily explained upon all the points referred to, repeating that he would confine himself to the Resolutions he had mentioned, or probably to one Resolution, for certainly he would riot go the length of all impeachment. • " ,Sir J. ANSTRUTHER complimented the Noble Lord for his candour, i.wd was happy to see a reso lution to bring this long pending question to a final issue. Lord FOLKSTONE begged to be understood, that he had not made up his mind upon the subjeCt of the Carnatic ; but there was one of the Charges brought forward last Session—he meant the Money Charge—which be was prepared explicitly to say, that he had no intention whatever to follow up. • Mr. W. KEENE hoped the Noble Lord would at. tentively examine the history of Indian - politics ; from the destruetion of the power of the Mogul, before he brought forward his Motion. Mr. BA NICES wished from the becrinning that this case had beh referred to the Court of Indian Judi cature. The Noble Lord bad stated, that he would bring forward his promised Motion, if the Hon, - Gentleman (Mr. PAULL) who originally introduced this question, i should not be within a certain time re turned' to this House. How far the return of that Hon. Gentleman was at all probable, or desirable, (aa laugh) he could not say ; but if that Ilan. Gen tleman should again be introduced to the House, he might .take a course different from that proposed by the Noble Lord, and the House might be supposed committed, in some degree, by supporting this pre- - liminary step. Against that supposition he wished to guard himself, because he would not, by agreeilig%, to this Motion, hold hiniself committed to any sub.: - sequent proceeding whatever; aril he felt it the more necessary to make this. declaration, ank to protest against the use , of such an argument as that ' which was used last Session 'against a Motion of his by a great Statesman who was now no more,.name-- I ly, that the House having gon e a , cer t a i n l engt h i n one course, stood committed, and should not alter I that course. Mr. SHERIDAN expressed: his cOndurrence in the Motion, . and, his hope that , the Noble Mover would not consider his baying declined to notice the allusion which- he had thought proper 'to m a k e to him as the etre& of 'any, disiespedful inatteti Sion. The Noble Lord,' in announcing his condi tional notice, had expressed his hopes that the ori ginal Mover of these Papers would succeed in his Petition—[No, said Lord Falkstone, I stated, that such was the hope of Mr. Paull.] Oh, that he had such hopes (added Mr. Sheridan), was extremely . probable. - He was, no doubt, a very native can vasSer and sanguine politician, but he must excuse me (said Mr. S.) if I decline to sympathize in liis hopes (a laugh). But as to the Noble Lord, he an nounced his'resolutien to pursue a different course from that followed by his Honourable Friend., Then of course he disapproved of his Honourable Friend's mode of proceeding. It was rather surprising th a t* the Noble Lord did not in the course of the last or the preceding Sessions, advise' his Hon. Friend' to abandon that Imode. It was not quite so friendly not to have given the hint. As to the recommen dation of an Hon. Member for referring this case to the Court of Indian Judicature, he would oppose it in amine, because it would be attended with too much expence for any individual to . undertake, per- Imps not less than 8 or 'lO,OOOl. in bringing os . ver witnesses, &c. but a word or two as to the pledge. to which the Noble Lord had alluded.'—lf that • Noble . Lord had been present, he might have heard Min; two or three times, state distilidly in tlhat House, the reasons which produced the delay complained of, and. also the grounds upon which he thou Ott proper to decline bringing forward this questi'on.'. He, however, utterly denied that tie had ever for feited the slightest pledge on this busineSs. He de-. fied3ny man even to catch him tripping. 'All, that be ever said, and the grounds upon which he ad — ed, be was ready to repeat again, and upon that repe,ti tion would confidently..rest for the justification !of his conduct.. Whenever that ednEiCt was fairly re presented and clearly , understood, le -could have no fear of censu was-now prepared :to-declare; that if any Other person, whoever that person might be, should bring forward this question, he would most distindly 'pledge himself to give that person his most zealous, sincere, and strenuous assistance —to exert as,much-of his humble ability in fatonr of the motion, as if it ~were, actually brought for ward by himself; Lord FOLKSTOIVE would not enter into 'any controversy with the Right Hon. Gentleman upon the subject of his . former pledges; • but he recolleded very accurately that the RightJ-Ibn. Gentleman did promise to bring this question of the Carnatic before ..the House. As to the grounds upon which he was induced to abandon that question, he really was not apprised of them. He had heard something' of the Right. Hon. Gentleman's unwillingnesS to excite 'pleasant feelings_ among his colleagues in office—= that is, in plain Efigli3h, that he was not willing to lose his plaCe. The Noble Lard was, however, glad to , hear the Right Hon. Gentleman's pledge this evening. For his strenuous and sincere assistance, wherever. he would 'be strenuous' and sincere, would tie a most important aNuisition indeed., The . • Noble Lora re.)elled the idea that lie wa* to aa as the substitute' of Mr. Paull, ,or any man i he was acting from-his sense of duty, and even the friends of Lord Wellesley ought to be obliged Hl' . him for the course he was about to take, Its it would' afford them an opportunity of vindicating his cha rmer--and the charmer of their Country also, which was stained by the acts imputed to him ; if these imputations should prove to be unjust, he de elirahe shouid feel highly gratified, for he had 11"6 personal prejndice whatever against Lord Wellesley. As to the course, he meant to pursue, it would be open to any other MeMber to" propose a different course, if he fit, and this course would not at all : interfere with those who wished to go thqt length of Impeachment. Mr. SHRIDAIII- observed, that no doubt the Noble Lord wished to have his public condu4 ascribed to proper .motives, and it be expeeted to have credit given him fur such motives, he would not be.so forward to impute improper motives to others (hear I he4r !) With regard to the motive` which the Noble-Lord had thought . proper to attri , bate to him, he would ask that NoOlp Lord to state in what part of his public condna he had ever seed any thing to justify the imputation be had attempted to fix upon him, to shew that he would be induced to abandon his principles from a love of place; or to sustain againa him any charge of inconsistency ? If the Noble. Lord had had a corre& recolleaion of the proceedings of that: House, the Noble T,ord would have known that be did, two years before the present Ministry came into place, state the grounds upon which he was induced to deelioe,.kringiug fori. ward - this question respeaing the Carir,tici at the same time 'pledging himself to support any person I,yhb should bring it forward, • • I Mr.. WHITBREAD thought the Noble Lord entitled to Thanks for the I\lotion before the House, and that the' nearest connexions of Lord Wellesley ought to feel satisfied with his conduEt. With rem gard to the allusions made to the Indian Judicature, he perfealy concurred in the opinion expressed by his'RightHon. Friend who spoke last. 'Before ha would-ever consent to send any man to that Tribnr pal, he would call for a very mat er i a l a l terat i on in the ACS. • nelfon. le POLE thanked the 'Noble Lord for the - candour, the decency, and the civility which he bad.manifested on this occasion, and which formes} a very striking contrast, indeed, to the langu age and conduct which the House had witnessed-4i. ihert course. of the last Session. The Hon. Gentleman dwelt upon' the situation of his Noble Relation, against whom charges of robbery and murder were circus. lated through the Country, and expressed his earpe4 Irish that the case might be decided as soup as pos.! sible. f With respe& to the question of the Carnatic, the Hon. Gentleman called to the recolleaien of the Right Hon. Gentlemap (Mr. Sheridan), that when beetriginally gave notice of this charge, he stated it to ln a charge against the Madras Government and why then-give a preference t o L or d Wellesley ? His charge at tirst, when. the -Papers were Moved for, applied to the M a d ras G overnment, the 13i)ard of Cdritrdnl, 'but above all to - the Court of Pir e a ors ; . and the qovernMent of the day, therefore Lord Wel lesley was put into good company, but Bow, lie seemed - to be taken al o n e . SBERID.AN repeated his former remar_„,..k, that no ma n could 4n4 read the Papers alluded to by the Hon. Gentleman, he found that Lord Wellesley was deeply concerned . in- the transaaion of which he coMplained. Atid • . when ,the question _should be brought before ! he House,. he wo u ld b e prepared to shew the guilt cf all whom he had before charged, namely, Lorci . • Wellesley, the Madras Government, the Board 9,t Controul, but above all the Court of Direaors. THQRNTON professed himself to be stili of the same opinion he expressed last Session upon the subjea before the House, and approved of tua condua of the Noble Lord who brought ferward the Motion. He. preferred his course to that followed last session—for though . he thought Marquis Wel lesley deserving of serious reprehension, he was npc prepared to go the length of impeachment. Witil regard to the question alluded to by the Right Hor3. • Gentleman who: spoke last, .he vindicated the cony. du of the Directors. He was confident that, al faras they were concerned in that transaction, they would be found upon the fullest investigation to, have done their duty - corre&ly and manfully. • The Noble Lord's Motions were agreed to, Mr,. WELLESLEY POLE moved that the Paper& which had been before produced in behalf of 44.5-". quis Wellesley should be reprihted.—Oxdered, -• The Report of th- Copinittee of-Supply, relative to vote for an .at:c!itional 10,000 seamen, the Expences of Public. dflices, Criminal Prosecutions, B,c. were brought tip.---Iteolutions agreed to, Mr. JOHNSTONE rriov'e'ci that thti ArMy, Barra44 and Commissariat Estimates-be printed.---Ordered, Mr. PARNELL moved the Order Of the Day for the second reading of the Grain Intercourse The Bill -was read a second time, and Mr. Parnell moved, that it should be committed to-morrow, A MEMBER, whose name we could not learn, saidralatthis ,w as a subject of great importances and there were a great number of persons intereitcd in it, he wished that the Committee might b e de ferred a day or two. The Committee was then fix 4, .for Wednesday. • IRISH TREASURY BILLS. • In the Condnittee of Ways and Means. Mr. PAR NELL, in the absence of Sir JoUN NEWPQRT, in cUnsequence•ot indisposition, moved that there be granted, fur the. Public,Service a .sum of I ,000,0001• Irish, to be raised by loan on Treasury Bills; these bills not to remain floating, but to be payable from 'the aids of the present year.—Ordered.—The port to be received to-morrow. - The Irish Customs Regulation Bill, and the Irish' Ele&ion Bill, were ordered to be committed to', morrow. • Lord TEMPLE gave 'notice that to-morrow be would move that the House should go into a Corn— mittee to consider the propriety of allowing the ex.- portation of worsted yarn to Canada. The Irish Militia Services Bill was read a third• time and passed.—Adjourned. MAILS. • . . • . uttenburgb, Dublin, z Watcifurd. C. PRICE 01 : ,13TOCKS THIS DAY AT rwEtvß Cor.sol4 . 6:i Reduced Auu. 0,0