The Sun. — London, England, 1802-02-23 00:00:00

IMPERI/IL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF PEERS, MONDAY, rEI3. 2Z. COTS A-PPEAL. Scot.!. V. BRODIE.-.—Counsel were heard at con. tiderable length in confihuaticn, relative to this Cause.—After which their ,Lordships deferred the further hearing till to-morrow. . . Lord PELIiAn, ,oursuant to the notice he had given, moved,. That the consideration of His Ma jesty's Message, relative to the state of the Civil List, be deferred till this day se'nnight—which, on the question being put, was ordered accordingly. The Duke of NORFOLK took she opportunity to suggest the propriety of having the Accounts relative to the Civil List, which were laid' upon the Table, printed. This proposition of the Noble Duke's gave rise to a conversation between the LORD CH hIsIC ELLOR, Lords PEI AM and THoßeow, and his Grace, which, as relative to the point in question, was to the following effea : The.LORD CHANCELLOR observed, that he made inquiries respecting what had been the gene -141 yawls. 21,1 , ctuttCsra Li/ ,freir Lordships', House on such occasions, and the result of these.inOuiries was, his finding that the general usage and ptgtice was against the printing Papers of the desCription of these in question, - namely, snch.Papers as had been grant it ,usly from His NIEOF:Ty, as was the case in the present instance. With' regard to such Accounts as were laid upon the Table, in con sequence of Addresses of the House, - it was the cus tom frequently to have them printed for the infor. mation of their Lordships; on these general grounds, in the first instance, the Noble and Learned Lord seemed opposed to the proceeding suggested by the Noble Duke. The Duke cf NORFOLK, in general terms, con tended for the conveniency which would result from printing the Accounts, by giving individual Peers a due understanding of the subject; and seeming to conceive, that the general prahice was in favour of Printing such Accounts.--he submitted his_ proposal to the House in the shape of a regular Motion. Lord PELHAM' expressed his difference of opi nion from the lgoble Dulee,,on the present occasion, seemingly on the aener2l ssroends adverted, to by •his Noble and Lear Friend, and particularly on the consideration that the Accounts in questiop were not of shot complicated or voluminous nature, but that any individual r tord could, in a short time, make himself master of their contents. -The LORD CHANCELLOR repeated what he bad befofe said, that the best result of his inquiries was, his finling 4 that it waS not the general usage or custom of the House eo order Papers eoromuni. catod to them gratuitously from the Throne, to be printed. Another consideration adverted to by his Lordship, was, that on such occasions as the pre sent, it might be a inatter of discretion on the pail of the House, not meaning now to lay it down as a general principle, or ground upon which to argue the gobjeit) to set its face against the printing of such Papers, with a reference to the, ahusi to which that Proceeding would be liable by means of further publications, He was aware that their Lordships, at any time, had the power of preventing the pub lication of their Proceedings, but he seemed to say, that in such cases as that in question, the House having in contemplation the abuses which may re sult from the printing, in the way he had adverted to, might be induced to restrain from ordering - thos, which though their general usage and custom was against the pfoceeding, they had a right to do. Lord TIP:JRLOW seemed to concur in part of what fell from his Noble and Learned Friend, but not to see in so strong a light the difference between the means b y which Papers were hid on the Table, whether in consequence of Addresses of the House, or spontaneous communications from the Throne ; undoubtedly, in the latter case it may be a ground fbr' the 'Dorf; speedy and respeaful consideration of the respeaive subjects on the part of their Lord ships ; but when once Papers were on the Table,.•he seemed to say, their disposal was a matter of dis. cretion in the House. The Proceeding adverted to, therefore, may be regarded as a question of expe . diency, to which certain consicletations, as the ex pence of the printing, for instance, might apply ; " and he observed, that when these Papers were printed, there. was the greater chance for their being generally read. The Duke of NORFOLK, in explanation, con.. tended for the convenience which would result in the present ir.z%.:nce from having the - rapers printed, by enabling their Lordsbips individually - to inform, themselves of the subjeca. As to what had been - said of restraining the printing; he conceived it might be done without violating the • Orders of the House notwithstanding, as in his idea, any Lord could regularly obtain a Copy of the Papers feotis the Cleik, and afterwards have it printed for his own private use. Thi LORD CHANCELLOR spoke in explana tion, particularly with respect to what had fallen from his Noble and Ise.arned Friend, to whom he observed, .he did not mean to lay down a principle, or matter of argument, put merely stated what was, on partiiular occasions, the geneo custom and usage of the House ; an t i proceeding Piurilter, he ob served, that when Papers were ()Meted tube print ed, it was fOr the infbanation of , their Lordships indiv. dually,and not for the purpovs of publica . ;ion. The question was then put on the Duke of NOR-. YOLK'S . Motion, which was negatived. Lord Pzottesx presented some Papers, which, as we could colleft, were Accounts relat i ive to the Po pulation in Various parts of the Country ; they were ordered.to lie on the Table; and, shortly after, an Order was made, that these Accounts, when corm - piece, should be printeil for the use of the House. The various Bills before the House, which, - in general, Stood for commitment, were forwarded in • . their respeftive stages. - One private Bill was brought up from - the Com mons by Mr. Di citesisoN, which being read a first time, and some private Business disposed of, their Lordships adjourned till to-morrow. Noun Or et? MONDAY, YES. 22. Mr. Titirrett brought up a Bill to ere& a new Gaol in the County of Galway, which was read a first, time. THE PRINCE OF WALES. Mr. MANNERS SUTTON said, that having called the attention cif the House on.a former even in,q to the claims of His Royal Highness the Ptince of Wales, relative to the Revenues of the Dutchy of Cornwall, he wished now to inform them, that whilst it was the wish of the Prince that the subject should be thoroughly investigated by Parliament, he was expressly authorized by His Royal Highness to inzimate to the House, that he should defer bringing forward the subjed again before the House, until after the question relative to His Majesty's Civil List should be determined. He hoped there fore that Gentlemen would abstain, in the course of the discussion of that question, from making any allusion to the claims of His Royal Highness. — His Royal Highness postponed his claims for the present, from the high sense he entertained of the duty which he owed 'to his Sovereign ; and he (Mr. SUTTON) trusted, therefore, that the House would abstain from any allusion to those Claims, whilst they were discussing the question which .would come before them, relative to His Majesty's Civil List, CIVIL LIST. Mr. BRAGGE moved, that the Ad of the zz G2o. HI. Ch. 8:, relative to the Manage ment of the Revenues of the Civil List: sho uld ' be teach } which eing read by the Clerk, Mr. BRAG GE said,, it appearing by that a that a book I.Vas direded to be kept ibr the purpose of en. tering all monies issued 014 t of the revenues of the Civil List, under the heads of Special Service aI:A Royal Bounty, which book the cotiimittee to whom the accounts relative to the Civi!,Lisi were referred, was desirous of examining ; lie therefore moved, "; That the book kept in pursuance of that aet for the entry of the sums issued Jut of the revenues of the civil List, under the heads of Special Service and Royal Bounty,,should be laid before the House." —Ordered. Sir TrII,LIAIVZ EL FORD moved for an ac. count of the duties paid for the last two years On all printed books imported into -this kingdom, dia. tinvuishing ;hose bgund and aniaputid,r 7 9oered, 9 INCOME TAX. Mr. JONES said, it was his intention, if the CuAticE:.l.olt of the Excg - Evux had been in his place, and he lamented extremely that the Right Hon. Gentleman was not, to have moved for certain Papers relative to the Income Tax. He should now, however, defer his Motion till to-morrow, unless it was stated by some Hon. Gentleman on the other side, that the CI34',ICELLOR of the Ex- CHEQUER was not then likely to attend, in which case he had no obje&i(in to postpone further. Mr. RILEY ADDINGTON said, he had at present, no reason to doubt that his Right Honour able relation would attend in his place to-morrow. DEBTORS ;Vr, W. WY NNE, moved the Order of the Day for the second reading of the Bill to enlarge the powers of the Lords' A. The Bill was read a second time. On the question for its commitment, - I Mr. NICIIOLLS said, he was not prepared to go much at length into the subjed, but it appeared to him to be of considerable importance, as the Bill, if passed, would effe& a change . in the Law, of which many Gentlemen could scarcely have an idea, He would suppose the case of a person having a mortgage upon his estate, and haying given, a 4 was usual, a bond to the mortgagee. Upon this bond he might he .arrested, and compelled, un der the present Bill, by the Justices in' Quarter Session to sell his estate for the benefit 'of ltt's credi tors. If this were so, all the effect of the decisions of the Court of-Chancery for one hundred and fif t y years, for the purpose of preventing th equity of redemption from being brought to Sale, would he completely destroyed. He thought such a subject ought to be thoroughly investigated, before the House consented to pass a Bill of this nature, as it should be remembered there were fraudulent CredL tors as well as fraudulent Debtors. He hoped that those practising Barristers Who were members of the House, would attend in the . prOgress of the;dis cussion upon this Bill, to prevent. the Law of tli land from being incautiously and unjustly over turned. 'Mr. STURGES said, he could not discover that the Bill was in any resped. contrary to Law, nor did. he think ifeould produce those prejudicial con sequences which were feared by the Hon. Gentle. man. The House well knew that the object of the . Lords' Mt was to provide against fraudulent Debt.. ors, who were possessed of propert3r; - Throwing themselves into gaol, and there living in comfort and luxury, whilst they refused to pay the sums justly due to their Creditors. This was certainly a wise and politic regulation, but the objea eould not-be accomplished by that Aft. The At only extended to persons in custody for any sum not ex ceeding 3601.—a sum sa small, that it was not to be supposed that any person of the description =al., luded to by the Hon. Gentleman; possessed of large, landed property, would chine .to live in a gaol merely for the sake of refusing to.pay so trifling a sirtn. The Ad was therefore in this respea per fatly nugatory ; and he remembered, when an in quiry was made, some years since, upon this subjed, it was found that the Aft had not been in this respea enforced, as no person of property had chosen to remain in gaol for such a such, The ob. jet of the present Bill was to extend the provisions:. of that At to any sum whatever, .in order to, ,prg - vent Debtors, in any case, from living lukuriotisly in prison, and refusing to pay thcit'Ciedit'oi'L: _lt , also ,ektended the powers given- by that Mt to Judges of Assize, unto the Justices in Sessions, in order that persons might not be compelled to wait a year, as must be the case in some of the Northern Counties, before theatidges of Assize came down. Mr. Itircnow explained. _ _ . Mr. WYNNE said, with respect to, t 11:: Bonds giveu upon Mortgages, alluded to by fat. Lion.' Gentleman (Mr, 'Sic L 1.51,,he Gould not ;onccive of' what use those Bonds were, unless they could be gled upon. Mr. JONES said, that many tradesmen bad been entirely ruined by fraudulent Debtors. He highly approved of the Bill, and hoped the Hon. Member who had brought it forward, would pursue the ob jeft he had in view, to a successful termination. Mr. BRAGGE said, he doubted how far the oh. • jeCtions of the Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Nt c ',Ls) to _the Bill had been satisfadorily arft.wered. The corn plaint of the Hon. Gentleman was, that the power of the Court of Chancery, with respe& to Equities of Redemption, would be, by this Bill, transferred to the Quarter Sessions. A case had been supposed, of a person, having a Mortgage upon his Estate, being arrested upon the Bond which accompanied that Mortgage. The Quarter Sessions, upon such a Bond, would have to decree the sale, of the Estate; the hardship which might arise in that case vas evident—the Court of Chancery - knew of the Mcrt gage, and tided accordingly ; but the Quarter Ses sions, having a person before them in custody won the Bond, must order the immediate sale of the Estate. He thought this- objeetion had not Jeen satisfadcrily answered ; it might, however, bepro, vided against in the progress of the Bill. Mr. ALEXANDER, Sir W. ELFORD, Mr. I\Ew. BOLT, Alid Sir HENRI- MILDM each said avert' few words, and Mr. STURGES explained, observing thot. t 1 e Bill did not give any additional powers to the Justices in Quarter Sessions, but merely that power which the Judges of ASsile before possessed relative to this objet. The Bill was then ordered to be committed to a Committee of the whole House to-morrow. Mr. ROBSQN" said, if there was no objeeion to a Motion he held in his hand, he would make it then ; if it was objeded to, he would make it to morrow. He then moved for an Account of the produce of the 4.1 per Cent. Leeward Island Duty, Mr. N. V 4 NSITTART said, that in the ab sence of the CHANCEL-1.04 of - the EXCHEQUER he did not exaElly know what objection might be made to the produaion of the Paper alluded to by thr Hon. Gentleman. He believed the same sUb jed was some, time since brought before Parlia ment. Mr. ROBSON said, as there appeared some ob jeaion to the motion, he would withdraw it, and give notice of it for to-morrow. Mr. ALEXANDER brought up the Report of the Committee of the whole House on the Report of the Seleft Committee of Expiring Laws, which was read and agreed to, and Bills ordered. FINANCE. Mr. N. F.iNSITTART said, he rose to Tribve for certain Ac - counts, with a view-of .laying the foundation of certain Resolutions in the Committee of Supply. He then moved for an Account of the Deficiency of the Sum of 5,200,00 - 01. granted by Parliament for the Service of the . Year 'Soo, after dedu&ing the Sum .of. z,000,0001. for paying off certain Excheqwer Bills, in pursuance of two /Os of the 39th and 4oth GEO. In. An Account of •.the Deficiency of the Sum of 3,500,0001. granted out of the Consolidated Fuld, for the Service of the Year i'B9l. , An Account of the . Exchequer Bills. issued in pursuance of an Aft of the last Session of Parlia, :rent for the service of the Year, 1801. These Accounts were severally ordered. Mr. N. VANSITTART moved, that the ac count of the disposition of the Monies granted for the service of the Year 180.1 should be printed — Ordered. BOOKSELLERS ANP PRINTETiS. Mr. SHXII 7 LEFEVRE said, he had giyen no. tice of his intention to move this day, that the Foci. tion of the Booksellers and Printers should be re ferred to the consideration of a Committee. H.e should now however defer that Motion till to morrow. The Committees of Supply and Ways and Means were postponed till Wednesday. Adjourned at a Quarter past Five till to-morrow, THE SUN. SOLEM QUIS DIOERX FALSUM AUDEAT ? LONDON, FEBRUARY 23 , ISQz, WE this morning received the Paris Papers of the 17th and I Bth inst. The only articles of im• portance which they contain, are an Address of the Cisalpine Government to the People of 'that Reptilp lic, and a PrOclamation of TOUSSAINT L'OVV,ER TURE, dated the 26th of November.--Of the for,. mer, which is merely a justification of the proceed ings at Lyons, we have . given an ample extraa ; but the great length of the latter prevetiii - fiS - from submitting it to our Readers till to-morrow. If this Proclamation is the produaion of TotissAlNT himself, it must give the world a very high idea of his talents, for it is drawn up with a degree of elo quence and perspicuity that we have not often seen excelled. He enters into a very dist ina and able justi , fication of the whole of his own condua, and enlarges upon the necessity of a stria performance of moral And religious duties: he strenuously exhorts the People • to avoid Idleness, which he says is the mother of all vices, while Industry is the father of all virtues. The Proclamation concludes with a number of regu lations, for the preservation of tranquillity and good order in the Colony.-It appears that at the period of this Proclamation, .he acknowledged the super intending power. of the French Republic; for he says, that in consequence of the misconduct of General N4TSE, nQ General of Division 4114 be appointed until further orders are received frons France. The French Funds are declining—they are 2,t 55f. 75e. We this morning learnt, with great setisfaCion) that the dattyhter of the Right Hon. the CHANCEL` Loa of the EixcllEguE= it, considerably better. We have foreborne from touching Upon the sub. 7 :feet of the claims brought before Cleilouse of Com- -; mons by His Royal Highness, the Pitrze WALES, as it is now in a state of investigation fore a Committee, and will, no doubt, undergo -3 " temperate, liberal and impartial discussion by tire' whole House. In adverting however to this sub' . jeCt, it is impossible not to concur in the genera opinion, with resva .to the. delicate and .elegant manner in which it was brought before the Public. by His Royal Highness's Attorney-General, Mt :MANNERS SUTTON. • - - In consequence of an -interview bettvet . niOi r r .. SHERIDAN and IVIr. GILEV ILLE, the publicatioß , a Partipider by the latter, on the subje& of 0 .1 Private Theatre in Tottenhain.strett, is deferred. Above six hundred privates of the First meat gf Royal Edinburgh Volunteers, Artillery and Infantry, have agreed to renew -their orisi9 3l. offer of service, in time of peace, for aiding th f." Civil rower in the City and County of Edinburt h • Part of the Ross and Cromarty Rangers, frc' itc . Ireland, have arrived at Stirling. It is in agitation to make a Canal .navigable vessels going between Glasgow and Irvine. Were the Public to pay ettention to all the. ports which are circulated in some of the Patnerse. respeEting difficulties in the progress of the tive Negotiation at Amiens, they need. W'g 4 . amusement, however they might have reason, to eorrl-,, plain of want of real information, It is ,ent - iug s, enough too, to observe that the Papers which nO r . daily amuse us with fresh obstacles .an d uneapeaed delays, in the conclusion of the Treaty , are the saa'' that a month ago assured us it was adually The rulolic, we are satisfied, treat such pretended"' formation with the contempt which it nteritsee When we recoiled the secrecy with which the Pre/ 14 ' urinary Treaty was carried on, to the very moll of its signature, we cannot be surprised a' nt, ad 1 1 ,1 warmly applaud, the eorresponding secrecy On% marks the Proceedings at Amiens. Whether difile444 h ave ar isen or no, we will not venture to coreket,l - because conjecture any opinion can only b e " " it seems tows as likely, that the discussion ofti e important Interests as that Congress has to se i e t o may require all the time that has . ehipsed, to 1 . ‘ 15 ', them within the scope of a solid Definieive Tre 4t l; o ' Till we are better informed, than .04 - 040 channel of ignorant; speculating, and contradia°tl Journals, that unforeseen difficulties have ar is n we will riot give credit to the Report, nor l s T s ia we express any impatiecce at the supposed ' 4 . ire of an (vent, which there is no reason to 0, 1 , e ,.,, has been unnecessarily retarded, and which "I'lte On be no want either of dilige'nee or ability o,n t o part of the British Nege)tiator, t censurno,;, equally to the Honour and Interests his Cc)a li q - Boston Papers to the z7th of January lasr; s44 e r 4 yesterday received by the. ship Ifarlepiv, of ~tv p001.,-,By these we learn, that Captain LORD , Z o o arrived at Norwich on the sth of January, hif Point Petrr, states, that four days previous t° leaving that Port, an American v e , s ei arrived ftlerof which had spoken, off Desenda, five English Lit i fl e ie 'Battle Ships dire Et from Europe, bound to St' oi g ming°, to at, in concert with the French_ in seasing Toussa of the Government Of the Ai."' ioi A most diabolical attempt was made to clO r v, .the Town of Boston by fire, on the 1 Sth of when several building:, were consumed, and ri..;ef many lives were endangered ; but the only su.lo. proved to be a .child about fo ur y ears alai. had been put to bed in the upp e r p art of 4of , 1 1 which was consumed. On t h e following..eitoile/ still more desperate attempt was made for ta--t e ti strudion of the City by some daring inceriji%ti4 who set it on fire in four different parts•; 1 ./4 prompt supply of water and engines had hean ready in consequence of combustibles havit4 found in various parts of the town, and their , bid was happily defeated, though, very consi eti d i r elt l damage was done. A pers o n was apprehiP.::, suspicion of being one of the incendiaries. p; Monday the p th ult. a Petition was r-e.wriors4 to the President of the Senate, requesting P e d . r o sion for the Reporters to occupy a position''es e lower area of the Senate Chamber, for the e t itiO, of taking the debates more correctly. The f e L i ill; was immediately taken into consideration, ciP i o prayer of it granted.—Ayes 7—Noes 9•f it ,fo then moved, that each Reporter should enter b 1 bond for his good condud, which was ne2;;;IP a majority of 1 8 to 10. • ll‘ There have been, within these few days'i r; era over by a French Officer to MoNsIEUR, t Ol,, the . I's:11ao of FRANCE, several Notes wr it Louts XVI. the QUEEN, and the Pitt N-0 56 ' 5 . ' ar ZABETH e , during their confinement in th,;(1: i t l ii ef . , These Notes were written by the Roy - 8 . 1 ' l . O , on the margin of some Books and Newsr, frif had been given to them by stealth, and 'g c j eitle served by , a Municipal Officer attached to El e t„, Person, and who was since guillotined. i - r' t r manuscripts have been preserved since, is 0° pii ly mentioned ;, but they have been' sent SIEUR as a valuable present. n ke A redudion of two-pence in the pound •t (j 7igle. in the price of Butchers' meat on SaturdaY'-tilevi l,eadenli ill atad Newgate Markets ; we 11(11'e.eiaty0 tail Butchers will fall their prices in prole At Smithfield yesterday there was a large 40' sheep. and cattle, great numbers of w hicl 3, larly sheep, were driven away unsold. nea r The corn-mills of Earl Frrzw . • dos ton, in the occupation of IVlessrs. Ws is d f consumed on- Monday se'nnight. Th e 1055 mated at soool. f l t The LORD CHANCELLOR has appoin te o f WILLIAM ILUNT, Esq. a Curtunissi' llef rupts.