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~: the transfer of the military force of the Company , to Government. The Directors had impliedly conceded the extension of the trade to the out ports, hut endeavoured to stipulate that the hn ports should be confined to the port of London:"... Now the question was, whether or' not the ex tension of the import trade to the out-pouts .was of such importance, that it ought to be suffered to put a stop to the negociationir. A . question then arose, whether or not the country, from this Inca, sure, would derive additional strength,to bear the blows to which it was eiposed. He Would have recornmended, that Government shoulkbe asked, how far, if this were conceded, they would gua rantee the dividends and sceurity'fif the Bast In dia Company? The Directors had acted 'Other wise, and, after several cenfeveriees and other proceedings, whi c h are briefly tiesciioedi bad published, m their Resolution of the , lBo.of De cember, what he thought might lie 4 regardett 'as . a kind of defiance to 'slum Government Oust they were determined to,pursue ..certain line of con duct, whatever determination might he come to by Government: lie meant no offence, hut he, , thOught no advinitage could result from this in the negoCiation, It was the duty of Goveininent to attend to the representations made 'by t 1 a mit reins. In his humble opinion, Lord Bucking. shire in his letter, of which so much had been " said, had oely told them—" You seem afraid the revenues oldie country will he injured by the pro posed change, we think there is no'reason to ap prehend at loss." This opinion was supported by ComMisiioners appointed to inquire into the sub- . jeet, one of whom had told hint (Mr. Hume), that there was more smuggling carried on upon the , River Thames, than any where else. This might he matter or opinion, he only stated the fact. The conduct of Lord .ng.iamshire in attending to the deputies from Sheffield, Man clieSter., and .other ploces he' thought perfectly= ntitural re nd proper.' When the Charter was last renewed, in January 1793, it was thought that the negoeia‘tion'between Mr. Pitt and the tors bad finally closed. Nothing appeared hostile to their Wishes ; and from a letter reeeived - froth Dontias, on the 16th February, every thing" wag understothl to be settled. The idea that the' trade was not to be opened, flew like wild-fire all ovd.the'ettentry. ReSoletions were erinte to, and deputies sent up from the out-parts and' oilier places.; and on the 24th of the saute month, an ,- other letter *as received, in which it Wits 'said, " We have been mistaken ; we Will'tk i it give' yott the Charter on the terms you wish. Such terthe ,the interests of other .British Mei-eh:lilts forbid us to grant," The Court of Directors wire' ai . fietik then as they are now, but they cattle tt, noretolu- - tiOna on the subjeet. The sultiniitted tothe Court of Proprietors: Had t h is been thine in the present case, it might have been bettee; he thonght7 tt would not, have been worse. In' that case the deciaion of the PropeietOrs,Wai' such as led to the accommodation which afterwanW took plate arid had such a' certirse' been puraued in this ne goeiation, he should have been better Satilifi . .." ed. Ile could see re:idling in Lord Buckinglient , ; shire's letter so very offensive, 'as . it appeared to ' unite persiins. If it were so very much to beCom plained of, what was'that which had been receiv ed freer Mr. Dunthis, March Zl, 1793 The lan guage then held tors---" I tare not about your de = : the proposals I transinit are with feel warranted in recommending to Perna* ;trent. , You may accede to them if you plettiej if On do not, 1 cannot recommend to ParliaMent the renewal or your Charter, and 1 am ready to meet yoti on this or any other besis." The lan. gitage ot Lard' Buckinghamshire was, in his opi nion, more mild than that of Mr. Deming. The cOmplaints of the Merchants in India andit home Were to the recollection of many. It was stated, that in consequence of the exclusion complain eel of, many persons had been induced to throw their capitalS into a foreign channel.'' These be eiiine a crying evil, which it was thought need stiry to remedy by opening the trade. What was the state of the Indian commerce in 1793 ?—At cording to papers laid before the Muse of Coin mons, the total value of the imports made by OA viite British Merchants was 181;7101. In 1798, through the measures which had been adopted, their anionnt exceeded 800,000/. At this period, however, a new enemy appeared, that enemy,' Which after long sucking our blood, new brought it vilest us—America. Then it was that those who now oppoied any change being made, asserted their right to participate in the t rade to the Bast IndieS, and celled on the Directors to pottilt theft to lake it out of the bandit cif the AMericans, file knew an instance of goods to the amount of VO,OOl. having been shipped front America to the East Indies, and the' hills drawn on London paid Vs , the returns. . principle of our navigation Wei went to give England asJuneb as possible Of thecarrying trade. If America derived rt h ad. ventage front importing what ihe did not want to supply other ceuntriett, England Suffering her trido this, lost so mar is America 4'ifinid. lie might be told this trigs a fientral flag; and that the Course of trade was not easily to be 'changed. lie Windt] say, that to change it was nOt so difficult us they might imagine. If Atte ilea had not , been enabled to slimily foreign tie- . t'o'ns, dnr dVin merchants would have re-shipeed their imports, and carried an that trade *Nth had been carried on by America. By suffering Amt. - a to entiy It, we had lost much 'strength, and 4iV r eo . it t o her to break our own head. 'Bide sive Of . °titer uilvantiges we had thus given her MOO senora. On looking to the Statement re cesitly ;Wide by Mr. Gallatin, it would be 'ken' that 1,000,9(196f thillars she lied gained to carry , the War against Li s, by out ' thus giving her the trade, lie, then noticed and panegyrized the conduct of Lord Wellesley, in 1798 , , in per- • merchanti iu ball* to export under , licenses. He now proceeded to sh r ew the corn parative value tif the 'exports matte` at various periods. The avertigeof fdaryeers, 17 . 956 i, and 1798 , —; 9, iva4 as follow . . Liteks of Ittiptett. ixportt node by the I.ot)don Merchauts t o 3-Iths, riljf At kurope Ai o ulatc. ...• .• • ....... ••• . • 19 • Av . erne lit tine three yertrs, 11h9-0, & 1001. Q. $4 port' at Losidus Mereltunts LONDON: Win\ ♦t the Suv OPVic txportavt Foreipi Europe ll-865: Ameitca, " 46 1-balf. Average three years, 1802-4. The whole of India. • Londou !Merchants 127 foreign Eneope 42 America Average three years, 1&05-7. London Merchants , 92 Fureip Lurope America . • The lack of lupe% he statett, tti'l:k equal to 10,0001. Such was the increase of the American trade when the fooli.h measures of' the Artrerieart povernment interfered with it.. • In the 'yearBl go 9 and 10, notwithstanding the partial obstructions experienced, the exports of America amounted to sixty-eight lacks ..of rupees. Aud what di( our own amount to Seventy-four lacks giving us, with all ouradvantages -over America in the India, trade, but six lacks above their exports. Mians• OughtNto be taken to secure more of the advan47: tages of the trad e to this country. As yet he Could prove the expectations held out to the countryhad not been.made good. We.onght to guard against that Calamily, (for he called it a calamity), which deprived us of those advantages we had a right tri draw from our colonies. - EVery one most recol lect, that it was predicted the non-importation act of Anierica must ruin this country,' but those who loOked narrowly into the subject knew, that she exported . not for her Own consmnption, hut to supply other countries.' And:what countries did: - she supply ?:-..otir own colonies', the Spanish Main, and South America. The.,totttlof our exports to all partS of America la 'o's L.130:94,115 - •• . 24,753,111 7 23v917311 The Non-importation Act was 'passed, :itid what trait the result ? The exporti,to the United States fell in the Yea:r,', 1808, 'to 5',302,8661. Then it was said, England was ruined hut it was found that •hcr exports .to ,tlke 'West. Indi4 and other . parti of America„ . were_raised ;frgrii. 4hout , 9;000,0001. to 48,173,0561. Liao' ivas a. positive chanio: effected in the coUrse of track in one year. In l 80; the exports ft.'? .:.`' Siate,‘ ....k 7,4tioaes Tu vther Farts tif Motrica. . 1a,a00196.- Making a total 0f..., • lii 181 , the total amount of our ekports to all parts of /interim exceeded 28.00 0 ,000/•—From these statement', he thought - it would he seen, that the course of trade contd heelianged without ruining the merchaitts. That sOme hed been ruined was in a great meas u re owing to their foolish speculatitibs,:aud to their sending out int. proper articles. one instance, he believed, baits had been sent out to Smith America. lie wiiheil to spew that comme/cc is a thing,..which front its very nature, is incapoble of 'change. NO poiver in rthrope or'Asia, no power in the World; etitild'interfere with the comitteree of Great tams. But was it to be' alloWed, that' foreign Stites should step in and deptive this country of the benefits to be derived froth those poiseisions; on the acquisition of which so much blood, and So Much treasure had been expender; ? lie meant to shcw, that the city of London would actually be gainers 'icy having' the trade to India opened to the ont.ports of the kingdom. lt had been' said, , that the quantity . of goods of British man ufactitre, exported to India had not increased, and that' it was not possible that it could be increased. This he could disprove by doeumenti which he held in his hand. Prom these it appeared that the amount of exports had increased front 18 lacks and a bail in the year 18021'ers$9 . 1acks and a half,. in 1811. Here was an increase, in a period of nine years, during , which time the' amount of goods of British manufacture exported' to India, had risen from 18 and a half to 89 and it half ; yet it was said that it won impossible to increase the export ofgoods' of British maonfackurc to. India. In the year. 1800,. when some of the restrictions on the trade to India were taken off, goods to the amount of 665,0001. were shipped at London for India. In 1793, the amount of goods exported to Chinain that year . was 659,0001. ; and at that time-the quantity Of goods exported front this country was deemed to have reached its ne plus ultra. But in 1803, the value of goods exported by the , Com pany to Chine was 1,321,0001. This showed that it was impossible to file any limits to the Hai to which the quataity of goods of British mannfac tare exported to . China, or to India, might be in. creased. But What was the result of the partial removal of the reitrictions on the India trade. as it regards imports frotn India ? Why, there had been an increase of 900,0001. end apwards, itl the ins. ports from India, in consequence of the Jimited extension of the trade granted' under the Admi nititratiOn of Lord Wellesltl% Let the opinion of Mr. Colbrook be looked at. He said, that if the trade to India were opened to the out.iorts, no limits could be set to the increase of the trade, both as regarding the exports cud imports. It , was mistaken policy to limit the trade of the kingdom at large, from any false commiseration of as body, who really would not be materially injured by the extension of the trade which was so much dreaded on the one baud, end se ardently %visited" for on the other. The trade of thli cotintry could' he extended to a degree much beyond what many person; imagined. It was said that those liter chants, who wished to be allowed to have 'access to the India trade, had not capitals sufficient to enable theM to carry it on. In some cases this might certainly be true. But it was well known that merchants do not trade entirely on their own capital. :They trade upon the value of the goods which they. purchase from the manufacturer, and it was certainly true, that when the returns which they ought to receive for these goods were tardy, or inadequate to remunerate them for the sum they had paid for them, in such cases; certainly, there must be a partial kiss and inconeenience. But such cases rarely occurred. He then pro,' ceeded.to say, that the East India Company had broken, their engagethents, regarding the sailing: of their ships. They had dolaYe k tltbdistritteh Their ships within the time limited. This' be 'could prove if it were requisite. He should state the increase Which had taken place in the importation Of several articles from India. He held it impos. aihle for any person to say to what - degree th e In dia trade might be extended in many of its branches 'was incalculable. In 1786 the 'quantity of indigo produced was 240,000 pounds weight ; al- though at that time the Company was tributary to Manilla and other States. In 1810 the pro» duce of the same article was 5,580,000 pounds weight. Here was an increase in that one tide of more than five millions of pounds, and there was no saying to what degree it might not be • still incr ea s e d.. Wi t h regard to the tribute to Manilla, it 'was his decided opinion, that other StateX' might be made. tributary to Britain---hut never should Great Britain be 'tributary to any State while there remained the power to prevent . it. Cott on was another article which had v e r y much increased. In the ycur 1805 we owed the greatest part of the cot ton, which supplied our maimfacturers, to the Spaniards and Portuguese. I n di a at that time dill not furnish above , l-168th part. The whole quantity of cotton imported into Britain iri 1805, was 59,682,400 pounds weight, of which the pro portion from India wits only' 355,493 pounds weight, or about 1-168th part of the whole quan tity. But when circumstances deprived the coun try of the supply which it should receive from fo reign powers ; when it was necessary to make ' exertions in the British Colonies for the supply of the B'ritish 'manufactures, how greatly was the quantity furnished by India augmented ! The .quantity of cotton imported in - the year 1810 was 136,570,103 pounds weight, and of these India aontributed 23,144,907 rundS weight: 'What an increase was that ! mai the proportion of 1 A6Bth part of the whole quant'ty of cotton ported into the kingdom, India has now increased that proportion to 1-6th part. All the old ideas which once prevailed, that this country must be dependant ,on other. States, were, be trusted, now unite exploded. The time was now come when proper exertions shOuld be made, and he bad no doubt 'that there was the resolution, as there certainly was the power, to make Great Britain perfectly independent of every other na tion, To do this, from the instances he bad gi ven, it would be, seen that it was only necessary to be obliged to use our own resources. When this kingdom was deprived of its supply of cotton from .other states, it was obliged to have recourse to its own colonies, The consequence was, that in India the produce of that article was so much increased, that a quantity was now furnished from ,thence, nearly adequate to supply.our manufacto, !ries. • It had been - stated on a former day, by an Honourable.Proprietor, that the Mayor of a cer tain town, that came up with a Petition to Par liament, against the renewal of the India Com pany's Charter; being asked, why he did so ? an-, swered, because eves other town did the FrOm this the person who told the anecdote ar:!, pied, that this Mayor, and ' the inhabitants that town, had signed their Petition, without un- . derstauding what was its objeet. But would it b'e. said, that the City of London was thus ignorant ? No I let it be actuated by • a spirit of liberality, which' may make it, While considering its own righta, not neglect the interests• and the welfare of the other parts of the kindom. • It is said the out-ports are to be, ruined if they receive that li berty to trade to 'lndia which they so eagerly sire. This may he thought to be the result. But how is it possible, to ,know whether it will be so until it be tried ? if they find it a trade which will be so ruinous, as it is said it roust be, then of course they will soon give it up, and the Com - - patty may 'again go on as k had formerly done. The Chairman had stated it as a grand reason why the Company would .he ruined if the trade to India were taken from them ; because in the event of welt being the case, the receipts of the Company wonid be minus four millions: But it had AISO been said, that the trade bad nut been profitable to the Company, and' therefore was not worth giving to the nation. Why continue this trade, it it be so unprofitable as it had been call ed.? Thither let the Company redoce their. eata blishment, and let' them allow British Capital and British Merchants, at least try whether or not they could find it profitable. He had consi dered the matter much, and had thought upon it for many years. The result of his reflections had been, that the opening of India trade to the out parts of Me kingdom would not be at all injurious to-the revenues of the Bast India Company. He should consider the profits of the Company on the trade to India. The accounts of the Bast India Company had been so much Mixed with other pa litieil accounts, that it was impossible to draw up. .a:clear commercial account of the profits of the Company. He 'should take first, the territorial' revenue of the Company; secondly, the .China trade; then the India trade: The territories' in India stand indebted to the Company ,fiitt a very large swn, about 5,778,000/. With Other . s'mis the whole Ammon is about " 6.800,0001. The profits of the Chi na t ra d e ar e 16,092,832/. not Including 10 per cent. on invoice prices outward; which makes the whole 18,142,6191. The deduc tions from this, of rote of exchange on bills, .cap tures, &c. are 2,500,795/. Leaving the profit and loss on the China trade 15,611,824/. This was taken from the years 1792 and 3, to, the years 1809 and 10. The s t a t ement o f the profit and loss on the India trade lie should take from that laid before Parliament. The profit on this trade for six years wiss 1,853,2761.; the loss on two years 299,148/. ; leaving 1,554,128/. To this, adding profit on goods outward 271,1871. makes the total profit 1,825,315/. ,From this iris to be deducted, for various losses, and fOr insurance, 2,168,292/. ; making loss on this tratle,7 in.eight years, 342,977/. without taking any one of ,the many charges to .be added for payments to owners of lost ships, spiaes to Government, tite., There was a loss on the India trade, in three years, of 355,846/. and in the same period, gain on the China trade of 3,504,195/. GoVerntnent offered the whole Indian territory in consideration of what hail been done there by the Company. They (Aired the means by which the. Company may pay their tleht-arid they offered an opportunity to en able the Company to recover their debts in India, When Government thus offered to give all that was worth having, was it forthe. Company to tbrar gauntlet,..was it for the Coni all comMunication with Govern between the interests of d p bo j r l i l e e v e a t t lok'd the .s e a v u a rite d linetthe interests of the Directors, ostPail), must be :Li i iires, t4ul cy THOMAS 'WOOD, of N.. 112, Strand; 4114 hibil'h` by W 1 LIJA hi Arai 'GER SCRIPT'S, South blnlton.ttrrct, Orotrenor. !art. 2 ISTO. 112, Strand . %tart ddrerbisements, oriel tur the paper, Letters for thc Editor, &c, (P The latter, while they remained in OffieeM l ' Patronage, Which of course they would eott i l,'"l . to preserve. It was Certainly the interest 07, Proprietors, when Government offered thus faut nit,t to break off, and refuge communication: Ministers. He would admit that the tratien. been unprofitable, but he would maintitia 60:4 might be made profitable. Some pers ons hnit l l , that it would be dangerous to have our 107 possessions . open to Europeans—Could it b i 7k, riously thought that a few straggling Ent4kiiiii could gain any ascendancy in a country 01 there was an armed force of one hundred 11 7 t i: fifty-three thousand men (a great proportioa„; them. natives of this country), lodged in.Osß?, 4 • merous fortifications in India. It had alto o ,c (ri ; said that a consequence of extending th e I° o trade to the out-ports worth!' be, to niate sailors worse than they now are. This, he cow', ed, could not be the case ; .it could not be Pr at ! : on any principle. To those Who said that the terests of the natives were not attended would Mention one fact out of man ,which alone sufficient to shew the falsity of tions. Some young men at a College in having in a frolic set fire to the property of s idi tive, information was lodged against there; t; were apprehended and tried, and the Court tice sentenced them to be hanged. This sofa; was afterwards commuted for transportation , these young men were now in Bowl A . Would any man after thi s say, that the inn , of the natives were n o t attended to ? The Pp in India was excellent; he wished that the P i c/ 6 . in London was -as good. It was not, Pera h is jO priceg pe e r n i e u r i t s l s li i y ori k o n t o Zer t :t a it. of any European travelling in India without is .. set on the The Hon. Proprietor being here mat rupted by marks of disapprobation, , ~,° tili . The CILVIRMAN begged that the Cou rt givethe ever lo l iln. P ) gh o ii spe r ec opto i r l ie tnig r a bit p h a e t , ieat i and lti e o a t i v l e ug , ver 1 : 1 ° 11.1 :,, , . levant his arguments might be on the matte ° der discussioh. ~1 ag m Mr. Hue said he was so rr y if be had Sal. 01. thing to give offence to any Gentleman 1 0- 0 Ile wished to state his sentiments fallY v `' i t ) subject before the Court of Proprietors. I.°.„ tr ' already stated the distinction between th° 1 ,..0 rests of the Proprietors and of the Direc t i e r o the present matter. lle begged the ProP l 'i r g% to consider, that although Government iha l a ti , parto the Company all the sums adt'a lg , e iit them for carrying on the war, yet the So' In .. 1 Company having a right, by Act of Parlio`'` ) ol to - their Indian territories, Governnicut Oho never think of,taking any steps to depri ve „ 1 t oi . of them. He hoped that stops would be:oll7,icili influence Governm en t to come to suc h a elec t as might be best for th e i nterests o f theCoi n r o i t while they did not neglect the welfare °,', o ( kingdom at large. The City o f L on dOn, ho ts '` had prejud ge d the case, a nd came w i t h 0111 1 "" judiced to this discussion. . V l c 1 aou of gi ll ir l ew, roa..:111:1110,E:Tiic thetc)io and that in his last wort u n is g thought that lion. Proprietor had t oli l l'i ! „iil ye? , „ii e c_i. - 4 i Mr. flume. said, that-he had o nly , C l 4 he stated matters of tact; which, ifregnir"" a ► . l ll. '' easily' prove. He concluded by moving . 11 1 ;i r e ;t 9 !tient to the resolutions proposed ; tbe, 9 , 3 "„la tO the amendnrent Was, that the Court,!` to - „swik: stepi to appoint persons to hold con' u-g - -' .. i ns illtiteh:latai,:liclll,l.: jut.:l.,ll,Ll:;,):;:jj Ministers, for the purpose of providing tut- fn preventing those dangers which it r t ti de would attend the typening of the ludic r 1 i i the out-ports; Jittur person viould sec olu , arnetidinent, the Hon.: Proprietor said le sit t propose it. . 4 ,libloei:e:hoionterrupted Mr. go,n,free Mr. W. ICAtetse rose, but he ea id n ot to le o the am en dth ent of Mr. Hine. He observe 4 l if every Gentleman was to t a k e h our s for A li lion, there would still remain subjects; l ie remark. H e th en proceeded to se" in 'd 0 10 tone of v o i ce , so t h at from the ' noise In t hel s oo we could no t h ear him distinctly; he reK (i dil extracts from. th e l etter of Mr. 11.1)11"das',? Directors. We underst oo d t h e r est of hill - to contain s p ecu l at i ons on the consequencrs # oo f would issue from opening the India trad e ) out-ports. H e thought that. the j o wl'si , the country should not be sacrificed t° $1 0 notion which prevailed, that it would he t ter for the country at large if the India rt o were open e d t o th e out - ports. This was cr o i l a mistake. Monopoly in ordinary cases ' f oe, testable ; but in such a case as the Intl, Pang, it was a benefit t o t h e coun t r y itt R a se He conclud e d by moving that the Court - .1 adjourn. After a few re m ar k s f rom t h e Ch a irtna"' m ! 1 ), , Jackson, an d Mr. Hue, that had r der rj o merely to p o i n t s o f order, the Court 3t9 ' . a until Friday. ~./ nr . . 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' ;Or", NO , On the !Gib 'mt. at Nfitigham-House, Ber n , ' Ern*. Daughter. jott.' On Sundny, in Bui ton. craseent, Mrs. Tholo" _„ 01 Sun. ,prio I The same night, in Glutictioter-place, Portot 3 4 ,0 t I.atly of Captain ilarritow, of the Colditreat4a Otiou