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was of such a stamp as to ibenr most evidently his image and siiperscription. But lie meant by this to throw out no imputation, against the Honour able Gentleman for that speech. Lord - Buckin7- banishire and the East I n di a C ompany -were Ire fore the bar of the public—that bar was at pre sent the Court of Propric;ol-, of East India Stork; and the ai.gument, of both the East India Gila- patty, and, the Ministers ought to be patiently • heard, He hoped that the speech‘of the Ilonour 7 able Proprietor would be published and distributed among• orparfies in the country'; for he 'vas convinced that that speech , would be of more be nefit to the ' East India Company, than any thiag which could be said by their warmest advocates. -If no better arguments could be urged in favour of the extension of the export and import trade to the oat-ports, to which exten sion, if the East India Company would nut con sent, they had been threatened by Government with an application by them to the Legislature, to deprive the Company of the management of India, the grounds of the Ministry were weak, in deed; and the Company had,yery little to tear in going before the Legislature. Of the speech, which lasted considerably above three hours . , not one-thirtieth part applied to the question before the Court. The question was not whether the trade' to -India ought tO be laid open to private traders, to which all his arguments epplital ; fur that sva-: given op is the course of litat year to the Government = it was not whether the manufac. tnrers 'and merchants of the sonntry ought to he alloived to carry their manufactures from the out ports to India; for th a t al so h a d b een arranged— , but whether the whole imports from India to this country,' which hail for so louts a time been enjoyed by the city, of Londoo, should be participated in by the out-ports ? and whe ther, which was .the most important point, if the Directots refused to Acquiesce in this, the government pt' India should be taken out of their bands ? Such was the threat held out by Lord Buckinghamshire'. The Than. Proprietor had col leeted an immense body of facts, to which he bad but one objection, that they were not relevant to the question. Toe diticrences with his Majesty's Ministers were not about facts, but alum tondos mental principles : and .if all the facts from •the beginning of the world to the preseat tiny, were brought together, they could not apply to the . question between the Alinistry and the East India Company. From the papers before thee) it ap reared, :hat their very existence was at stake— the city ivas besieged, and the garrison were sum mooed to surrender at discretion. The ques t 'lion before the Proprietors was, whether they would desert the Directors when engaged in a contest with Government ? and whether they would 'tamely surrender all that was dear to them, or whether they were prepared to make exertions proportionate to th,e,greatoess of tire in terest which they had at stake ? After hearing the panegyric pronounced by the Honourable Proprie tor on the government' of the East India Com ply, it w'm impossible not to be struck with the weakness and wickedness of any Ministry win') should wish to' overturn: hutch a government for mere speculative .cominercial advantages. The question before the Court was two-fold, namely, commercial and political. The corn:ln:roe of the Fii t India Company Was of immense advantage to. the country ; for they paid between fo ur an d five millions annually' to the Exchequer; but the commercial, compared with the political question, wait u mere trifle. ltinvolved not only the stability of the Indian Empire, but the stability of the Con stitution of this centnt.q. The first proposition which he Should lay down was considered as as iii eontroVertible axioni by the greatest politicians of this country, that it was impossible to transfer the governMent of India from the East India Com , patty to the English Ministry, without endanger ing th e balance Of our Constitution s This doe 'trine was laid down in 1784 by Mr. Vitt, and had been since acted on With the greatest beuelit. After an experiment of. nine yearS, Mr. Pitt re newed the Charter in 1793 for twenty years, on the same foundation. From this principle he had .never swerved ; and so late as 'lBO2, Lord Melville had thought proper to record on the subject. The fonndation 'of the do minion of the East India Company was a grant from the Mogul ; and though the ,Mogul was now no more, the natives of India still continued to look up to him with reverence. Oa that ground the Eastindia Company bad hitherto Acted as' Sovereigns, awl made peace and war. But if . the Compauy were no longer_ to' remain in pos session of the Government, who could possibly predict the effects which the ebange might pro-•• chtec uta 04: natives of Hindostan could not comprehend the complicated nature of the Government, and their elle gianee might. be shaken by , the alteration.— To the Company they were very natnrally attached --a long series of benefits could not possibly take .• . - place, without making an impression on the hisman heart,. These of themselves were strong grounds for continuing. the Government of India in ,the hands of the , East India Conipany. But aupposing this, Company not td have a strong le. gal right to the Govertiment Of ludia, they had certainly the very strongest moral and equitable right. They had gained and conquered their do • ininioas in India, with the sanction of the autho rities at home, • at their own expense-; and they bad go veined their dominions in the way mast con ducive to their security, and the happiness of - their subjects. Theyhad expelled from India their forini.' curopc,,,, ,the French and t heDutch, an d they had subdued theiruo less formidable rivals the Mahoinedan and Indian Princes They had added numerous settlements in'the Continent, and•ialands of Asia, to the State, and all at. timely own risk and esrose. That their government was 'good stud wise was now no longer ,denied. The very worst. eitemics of the Cowper) ) , had longceastal to inveigh against theni as the s: _;less and_ oppres. sons of India. It had been loog, t tgir asset tett by Lord Melville, and never denied, that the-nos sessionfof the Etibt Italia 0)111pfttly had isttamea a prosperity which il,";13 ItC%"er known wider the GOVertIITICIttS, and t1L , .1 if cOlUpOred with the neiOnitiring provitsee3, their ettitiViltiOrt MIS like. thu•,. of the I careful cultivator, Coutrasted with the slogg . itra's gar le . u. 111 - 1 ria, and the Ministry who acted along with bitn, were great ineti, and their opinions, had great weight with the c onn t r y ‘ To Compare them with their present puny successors would be to compare the greatest things with the smallest.' • G4pplau. to sej The Honourable Prop r i e t or .th en proceedeu examine the followi ng of Lord Bucking hanishire':i letter of the 2.lth December last : " 'flue expediency of adhering to that fy-ftlig by which the Goverpment of India has. heel) ad In ni•is tcred through the Intervention of the'Comililly, , is strongly felt by his Altijel.ity's Government ; hat it Inuit not be suppo s ed that there are no limits to that expediency s or that there are- no tages which might reFilt• from ar dilictvot course." This was totally unintelligible ; for if it was expedient• to• adhere to the system, then the result was in favour .of the East India Com pany. What did he mean by limits to that expe diency? If it Was ex pedktit to continue the govern ment of the. East India„Couipany, then the advan tages of any other system must be a atinus quan tity. (:Ippbuese).—li Ministry bad a new plan for India, capable of bestowing more happiness on the natives Of that country, let them pc , ,duce it. Al though they were Proprietors of East I ildia Stock, they were Mao Englishmen ; , and they wooid never surely be disposed to sacrifice, for the • sake of a paltry interest, the happiness of their country, and the happinesS of Millions in India. (..ipphtseS), 13ot if no better system of government could be deviSed for securing the happiness of the I ves of Ilindos tan and the prosperity .Of out own country, they would not, Ate hoped !•,.listen to the elanionrs of the people of Glasgow, Liverpool', and the other Out-ports. Let: not the limbs of the East India Company, be torn from theta 'and distributed among the out-ports, as .a bonus for the loss upon the slave trade or any - other trade, What facts had been adduced by the provincial merchants in support' of their claims ) Had they stated that the amount of imports would be greater ? On that subject the Court were in total' ignoranc e , When the Alinistry were asked, they told the Company they were not bound to give any •an wet.; and that the Company ought to rest sulk— lied with their decision. .Did the !lon. Proprietor (Mr. flume) mean also to defend that ? Surely,' like the hero of old, the Company. ,had a right to. be destroyed in the light, that they might at leatst see who their enemies. were; • : In allusion to what hail been said on a former day, by Mr. Hume, be remarked, that if the Commissioners of Customs could' not ,ple . vent Intigglin in the River,Thames . , under their 0 , ,v0 eyes, how could they: reasonably expect that it could be prevented when the trade was extended to so many distant alit -ports, begged the Court to consider the power of their adversaries, invested With: all the means which Ministers have, and ought to have, of carrying: the Measures they propose.--When he saw, Ithweser, that the in , habitants of the metropolis were making common cause with them—when he sale the idiniber respectable Merchants who were presting forwardto sign Petitions to Parliament, in their caese, he could not despair ,of specess. When Mr. :Fox, with all hiS distinguished talents, backed by a majority in Parliament, .and by . 3o manyef the ,• ancient and noble families of the eOuhtry, attack- ed them, they were firm, and the ciniscquence was that they , were ultimately successful. They bad thiS cheering consolation alio, that unpopu larity wefuld attach op any Ministry which Should attempt to trample on the rights of others, for .I,ts own aggrandisement, When the Aliriistry reflect ed on the extent of their commerce and esta blishments; it must hesitate before it cOnsigned them to destruction. Thinking as he did, he had no hesitation in dissenting •from the' Amend ment. As,to the ltesolutiims,he had morc doubts ; it would, his opinion, be deSirahle that the principles on which they proceeded should he briefly and: distinctly laid down, 'AS unanimity, • however, was on such an occasion especialiv de sirable, if many of the Proprietor s assented to the Restitutions which bud been proposed be shOuld not clissnit. Mr, IL TwisS rose, and entered into the sub ject at sonic length. The enemies of the COM patty were in the habit of founding their argu 'items upon onsrepreselitations,and to this purpOse no Word was more lavishly used trt-iito pOly-Tilvy Were called monopolists, and this assertion would •have had some weiglit,,did it not want the ofd fushiotted virtue of truth. If they were monopolists, they were monopolists only hi expellee ; and in this their adversaries had •sheivn no anxiety to share. They had been compared to tenants whose leases had expired ; it Was,in deed, the ease, that after they had expended their wealth - arid !about. 41.1 improving their. lam, they were now called on to give it up ; and that which they (tad sown wit S-now to be'reaned by others. If the concessions which werC now proposed were actually made, the smugglers would effe c t ua lly possess the monopoly. If it Wits iMpOSSI hie to prevent the exportation of bullion; the profit on a cargo of which was only hull per cent. how would it be possible to prevent the smuggling of teas, the profit on - which would be 96 per cent As well might they attempt to suppress vice by prp annation,,or disease -by Act of Parliament. Mr. PIA/ M MElt said, that 'from the. inquiries which lie had made respecting the American trade with India, he was induced to believe, it' was not profitable to those who carried it on, It was only by combining two or three voyages that the commerce could be made at all to answer . A tiOAL JACKSON . said, he wets indtleCti to believe' what he flail heard, that their common, wealth was in danger, by the talents which had . discovered theniselves among them. • It was .sel dons, Indeed, except in times of danger, that a state knew the talents Which it possessed. In ad verting to the correspondence of which so much had,been said, he was happy so see that Lord Buckinghamshire had treated tba , .Proprictors as , persons,. worthy consulting—OA he had not, a fter the example of former Ministers, conceived th a t *th ere wer e only two parties whose wishes oufebt to be inquired into,the ;Ministry told the D i. reel ors, Lord Buck iiighantAire had.ealled ou the m for itsopinion, and he': (Mr, Jackson) hoped, that the opinion which they might give would be tetu- TIIONIAS 11"001.), at Sto. 112, Strand; niMiiltrfl At ti e 2L N ()IVICIC, N 0.412, t1.'411 4 , m,Lere A l tivortieuient%, Oroexs to: perately and cant .11y conVey,A, - The alternative, utiwhic i his Lor Iship had called upon them todecide waS,-tidat they should consent to he exttionsiOn of the right of import to the ottt-ports. They wt it msent to this proposition in all its naked• oess, an - 1 with all its dangers, or some other mod e sh o uld he found of administering the Go vernment of India: After paying a compliment to the modesty and talents of the Honottrable Moves' of the Resolutions, Mr. J. proceeded to 'remark, that though the general arguments of .the Honourable Gentleman who had !flowed the amendrneot, had been well replied to, vet if some of the numerical statements of. that Honourable Gentleman were not controverted, he would be suffered to depart with advantage. lie was more glad to contend with the Honourable Gentleman than with a common antagouist ; .and if the speech of that Honourable Gentleman was to be considered as the speech. of Lord litickinglem- Shire, he wished that nobleman had manifested as much candour in the negociations as he had shewn taste " in the choice of his champion. He admired the skill of the Honourable Gentleman in this, as in other respects, viz: that he began by defending the Ministers, and thus conciliated to himself all those persons who, in such"a big as the present, most, front public or per.ion al motives, be nttached to the administration. Before he proceeded to rern:rk on Lord Rocking bainshire's letter, he felt conVelled to ITf11;,: that, as in the House of Commons, all those Charges are pointed at the Minister, which cue in tended to apply to the whole body of the Minis try—so ill that Cour, much would be pointed c , t. the. Noble Lord so oaten alluded to, which wo:111 be more properly ap;died to the ...Ministry. Ile considered, iodeed, the truer in ipiestioo as a Cabinet 14.1ter,.thOtigh it could trot be consider .ed as accordant with the sentiments O' Lord Mel ville, one of its members. Ile should have thought it the more, advisable for that Noble Lord to follow the example - of those great men" who. hail left the'Cabinet rather than incur the charge of temporary inconsistency . ; and he (lilt not think that the muses of Cuneing, or Wellesley,-sound ed less harmonious in the ears of Englishmen, be ,cattst they had pursued•sach a course., Mr. J.:cKSON, in ContiOthlii . oll, remarked, that from the'terms of the Amendment, it appeared to as_ if a radical change was already anticipat ed in the Government of then, on this SuppoSition, alluded to the subject of an in demnification to the Proprietors.- Why,.'he would ask, lead not fird Bockinghaeishire in his coy respondeneu, eropoierl au 4dequute remuneration to the COmpany in' such an event ? ..13eeause neither the pr e sent Ministry, net- any other that ever existed, 'nor either ;km/than Wild and his gang, were they the ,Ministers, oduld think, without an outrage upon all moral feeling, of proposing ultimately a cession of our rights in India, without a suitable remeneration. Although hadlormerly told ;.-tient, that their Charter would trot be-yeneWed without some opeo ing of the trade, in order to facilitate the bringing home• of investments from India, - still lie V 4 ,115 against the plan of the present MiniStry. lle also declared himself for the monopoly of the 'Cain.- pally, as well as for the continuance of its system of Government in India, He did not attempt, as Minister's attempt at present, to•sobverr the Con stitution of that Government.—.lf oar Rulers woidil exert themselves, as they ought, to amend and not to subvert it, they would confer the and would, at ptn tgbreeasttemsitebttimi, olitically i it inortal.—lnstead of this, they have grappled with ; the question ; and he could Mit help saying, that he anticipated their fall in the contest. The peo ple would oVercome theta in this Struggle,•for they h l aa w i..„,„ , i n a ' s imilar one, destroyed it greater / t in y : , M r . the facts Mentioned by Mr. Hume, that the private trade ,o 1793 amou n t• e d on ly to 181;0001.; in 1798, 80Q,0001. J., and in 1810, to 3,000,000/. he would draw a different 'inference from his. 'For he would ask, tinder whose auspiees tick great increase had taken cittleilpmiy, ei.\Vasit not under that o f t h e Di rectors, Proprietors,, &c. whom it was now intended to supersede? Mr. Ilione theti was .a good argument for us, and not against us, With respect to another of his urguments, taken from the fact, that. Lord Wellesley %vas obliged to li cense some private shipping, in additioa to tho se of the Company, he must state, that. this' was, done •when the funds of the Company Were applied to one of the greatest a political purposes, that of counteracting the machinations of' a power that . - meditated the overthrow of the whole civilized world. Even were he to admit that the facts were • as the Honourable Proprie tor (Mr. Home) had stated thCtli, still most of the inferences :were` agathst him- The Government , appear anxious to make au expeci-. ment . ; but this business can never be fairly a oa tional question, unless the experiment be made in such a way, as in the issue to afford an adequate remuneration. Though he admitted that the Com pany ought to make out a good cause, and that they cannot do so without satisfying the intellect and the philosophy of Glasgow and of. Liverpool, they were not obliged to satisfy those of *suterest ed individeals. lie then condemned some expres 'sions in Lord Buckinghamshire's letter, With re spect to the 'Petitions and Representations of the .Out-ports, tout would remind his Lordship, that the same persons were also for Parliamentary Ite 7 fort], ftlitt Catholic Emaneipatiem. With respect to. the trade of. the Americans to India, it Wit 3 a serious Subject, on account of the number of Li censes granted to them before the War, and which may be granted to them on the retttrn of peace.. In speaking on this point, lie condemned the .re-' peal of the Orders in Council. 'I he 13th article of a treaty formerly Made with America, gave them a sort of free trade to India. In conse-. (pence of it they asserted a ri g ht to at circuitous trade to all our• ports in. India ; and this point Was given up to them_ fry Lord Melville and the try ; the consequence was a similar claim front other neutral nations. The patty were wil ling; to iticrease the number of private ships in this trade.......,N0, this shall not be,' it west be free,-• sway th e merchants of Gla sgow mudj Oar Statesmen should strongly endeavour to I by wiLLIAM ARMICEN ,;:,,41t11 Molum,sturet, Par9r, Letters tot 6,:c..:(P01l 211,10), erease the exports trolll C,i:; coontry toladJ., ' 6 l l t2 } i i s , :t f ! ‘t t ( t e ' : o l l l l ; t r t u i t v r% b :l ' e t 4 e ' v e l a . r: r f'a l , c n ::co t ,b r i t i e Y . i i il l ' i ' i i i i i s ' a l. t o ic f co ll t !l s n i t '' r cans against our cot merce tuaY well be to those of Ilia aoatans against Cartla began almost with Out shins, but they at last. Ile thought, therefore, that tit all means to keep (lowa do: American. had been said, as the trade was a losing all this anxiety about it ? ' Of the eig ht which at 011 e time stood,aS abalance ' Company, live millions went out of tli the expenceS Of the State. Ile, ho' tended, that it was not 1 losing tra the Proprietors have' gained about year by the Indian trade. But even they were to lose this sum yearly, he may it not .be very well applied to r , poses_?,.li. will be out of or power t dominion of I li jet _nt..a w.,aout a commer poly. With respect to colon:sat ion, he that even their opponc.:t admitted the Would ilOt iHdiS6riminatft coinmerce lea, criminate access ? It was admitted .by vale, and acted upon by 1I r. flit, that nion in th:-.t. - country would It d 3111• Vi" up of the Governtecut of India to the Jr was by the suspicion :that Mr. Fox give it up, that lie Iva, raine I in the Ti. public.. Mr. Jackson concluded with remarks onParts of the Amendmen t. •.:Ul' , WEYBRIDGk: proposed the adj , the further c ons id erat i on of the e , ri uesday. Omits being SCCOW.ted, Sir HUGH INGLIS renearkt , d, it maybe an i d said ; though The proposer of the sotutions only WAS initit:ed to reply, tit, el to give Mr. II the only person on, the other side, a» opportuoity to also, to which he was catitkd by counts right. . ,Mr. Alderman ATK rose, for the poi: putting a ques t ion to : the Chairmile. '. mented deeply that the Government .t' I b t , puny . should be reduced to- such de , p eril t trenoties as the passing of the Resolutit, posed would necessarily occasion. 1 1 ,e, " . ft therefore, to know if it were not possillo' 11. Inglis, with some of his fellow Plr et : l 4 obtain an interview with Ministers f0r.`,. 0 pose otcoming to an explanation that 04' der a middle course advisable. - - eft:. Sir IL INGLIS replied, Out as Chairnolieor.; Court, he was ready and willing t° , ; bo oti' commands that might be given ; . but he 'on any such attempt would be fruitless. As t , ti t o cutive liody ; eelYe any' communications from Governa:tllei. if atty. such were transmitted they shoal ( ' the Directors were preptis , it, ~ nutted to the Court of Proprietors. dill '.. mo lir t. . a .: qt k il l oi d et e llt i c i ) t n an ot i . 3.llttws added, t l “ 4 he thot r i 4 wish unnecessarily to interfere, but h e , o p, 1 ( tl i t o a lv t ,: t re l l t i e m C e : t m l ei v a as n it right to make a last trial before 11 0 1 ) ' . o i l 1 ciliation were abandoned. Ile %%tiii C°l P : Company actuated era) , reasonable, and he boped and believed t i,.?, it Farried, and, ou the of 3 Yr i ' ' quittl i e r d ed b ;ot s l i t i i: i g ia t i : . h at .ec i :l7 o ,„ the isiti ' it was ordered that Court 1 l . next at eleven o'clock e preeiselV• ......._. 7 .________._____. ~A • 0.1 The two ttoops.of cavalry, th a t bee `atc Glasgoty for some time, m arc h e d for 1 - 1 . 3 ,:":0 t d e a r ri p l instancete nooo:lafiwyleesnsie: on Thursdaymorning. They aresu ceeedeli 4 0 , troops of the same regiment from Pier' hill r LI: • . " adjournment was tl:eitnt I,l l i i et ° : : 1 We are, truly Lorry to have to ree°"' I.l • te d Allis- town. , --On Sunday night last, auoP.' - .. c ' handkerchiefs tied over their faces, and the o 'i: with his face blackened) entered the b° , th : Bywater, of Gibraltar Straits, in thi 4 ' 4°l ;li : 'dvitroyed a 32-gauge cotton glove fra me ; y: , J inches wide, which Mr. Bywater had elaP' I : matiufactering goods- on his own aceoul lt , o p trage, cra,lll- oo frame Was theproperty of MN l li a g y r hi t., t o l t ie : l o ' t, Pavemetit, told was not, as had heel' r ', l i i - - - working at les s th an the c urrent price. 11 ', 0 , 4 rage is rendered more atrocious by th e e 'i t stances attending it. It . appears , that 13Y;' was sitting in the house, smoking his pice , ) a knock v as beard at the door, and an i'll'i(„ niude " if William Bywater did not live thy;:' On an answer being ICIAIrIiCd in the Ortl! they rushed into the house, and were met b i l i ,•, ; water near the door, when line of ihern l'' ' ira a pistol at hint, and ordered him to slew the frame. Bywater refused compliance, t 1 1 )° " t „ . the pistol was instantly snapped at him. A g he man then presented a pistol, ami repeated tll mand ; which. was answeied only by a mor e hi mined refusal. The parte ti i „E ng t h e irt lf . thu. , !disreardell, at length requested A1r. 1 , 1 ;,1 r oßly to sit, do ult, prOUilsing I t it be should l'if!,t; injured; this he complied ,with. Three a guard over hi n/ ' p l ' la irs then ieh tti cl iced n i e n, alias to sel i : is . es es: t emit(' into the warksh; N t; tl ;ro ll e t t i tt a t l re tbbt:lf6; o llll'4 which they had scarcely time to acemuldi'l t 'ail. their leers compelled IliVltltO al precipitate ' #. —Not:iughtotJourruil, Jan, Hi. g. MARRIED. • ic ~ On l'hurtday last, at Itlarv•-le-baoneChtireb, -"1"„1.4t t 044 Esq. to Kiss Brooke dati , liter of ELiw a iti 1) 19 of Wargrave, Berks. . - . On the 14th imt. at Goc i e ) r f tl E (1 1 :1;; Caring 4 n illir 4: t's'':' the %%ice of Pus,. Pryie, Esli. and the I.ter of t° , Ashbronli. le i 1 . On Smithy leo, at Siantnore, Mr. John lin1)10.,00.,(:, s,, :11.,':.a.n,nt,1.11:e:vt.1.1:1412,E1,tiz:(!aithtati,,:itiltiii.stililueliN9ea,v1;;".a:ant,Iiog'01,;10104 tuimorters of the Navy s'naril. cuar tliol il'i at Whiligh, Sussex, -Fralg e9 - (laughter ni George Conrthope, Eiti. . - . PRICE OF STOC Bank Stock, 'l-22 :23 Nary 5 per Cott. Irivlt 5 per cent. 4,liar Cent. 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