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11. , /14'Z 'UAL PARLIALVIE:NT. HOUSE OF PEERS, /4qND4T, ; APRIL ?Q. Mr, Adam and Mr. El - slinp very. 11.eard in the A 1) - f ?,11, of G;.tlioway Tblld f~tther t .The • Lrlaii..i3i - 11 Was rear! a s.ecoila- jtpe• Atkcau,4lip , plQvp4, :Motion was a,greet)..fo - ,. ,that their I.,bx - dships'Ve`".sitrninOried for Thurs4ay•Dpxt i ,AN . hen wa's tO go lilt) I # committpe - on'the:Loati Jciterest • 1 • ScO'r4.l - 1 LUDIC The Order. -of.%the.Day being tea,: tor the House . to, resolve itself intoa.Committee'n the;abow.: Bill, Lord :At.rcKLAicn expressed his surprise'at the Sud den change of opinion that seemed to 44(7: taken pace among a great..nurnber.of tier LOrdships re sleeting the merits .of. this Bill. ,Not more than a knonth ago it seemed to be sanaioned by tbe almost c‘niversai approbation of the'Honse. Now'something utterly subversiye of the principle of the Bill was up in opposition • to It, and. that by many. of thOSe who Seemed such warm approvers of the- first Bill. What. could'be - the motive in the huttan mind that gave rise, to such fluauation .of sentiment he could ;lot take upon. himself to determine 3 ' but thus In at teMpt co sqbstitute . a new Bill upon the ruins of the former Bill, appeared to him to be unfair, unmanly, and unconstitutional.., The LORD CHANCELLOR denied that he, had ever given an unqualified approbation to the espe cially, to that part of it which regarded the introduc iion of Trial by Jury indeed he had , been indiffe rent abolif it; and even if the present Bill should be withdrawn or lost, he did not,conceive himself to be under the necessity of proposing any Bill in, its stead. Lord . ,GR,ENVILLE animadvertedwithgreatwarmth on the inconsistency of those who now opposed the )3:11, after the flattering manner in which they had at first received it."' lie should persist in his Bill, and put it to their Lordships to decide qon it by their votes. Lord KINNAIRD fOTIONVed on the same side. Lord 1-lAl,%;KEsiturt - ii contended, that neither he nor any of his 'Friends had ever pledged themselves to support the Bill in all its provisions. Lord LA:vntanntE. took a survey of the . different .opinions ,expresed.respe6ting the merits of the Bill, and contended that not only a Majority, but that of file; best inforrnedin Scotland, had- given it their approbation. , he LORD 'CHANELLOR, iu explanation, said, that he Vould propose I,vhich might bring Oho matter. to issue., It was now his intention to „7 . 2ve, that the Committee be deferred till Thursday that their Lordships might have time.to make up their.minds on. the subjeCt,,and that then he might : take the spase of the House upon It, and afterwards ) if necessary, move, 'that theComunittee be postponed three weeks, for the purpose of allowing time to epare, another Bill, The Duke of 'ATitot, suggested the propriety of iiischarging - the. Order for the Attendance of the Scotch Judges. • • - Lord NIEf.VILLE took up the suggestion, and gave potice, that on Thursday next he should move, that the:Qrder.fer the.Attendancc . of . the Seotch.Jndges be discharged. Lord L.,Al.!DErtiam.E W3S exceedingly surprised at this notice • andasked jilt - was thought necessary to mOve for the attendance of, the Scotch Judges upon a Blil, the. whole of which had been submitted for a fall year to 211 'those persons . in ScOtland who were most cotnpeterit to fortn an opinion of its merits, how much more so ,roust it not be necessary co have the opinion Of the Scotch Judges upon a "Bill of the nature of which nothing at all had as yet Gran-pined ? .prOpositiqu of the LORD CHAIICELLOR was, then 'agreed to :..the House 'resolved itself' into' , a . c(immittee, pro forma, and it was: ordered that the corrnitttit; do sit again on ThursOy next.— - A.t.lj °din HOUSE OF COMMONS, The Hon DENNIS BROWNE and Mr. u,Es obiNi' took the Oaths and their Seati: WEDDEEIWRN presented a Petition, from the llaster,Calieb Printers of perth, against .the Calico Printers' Bilh—Ordered Co lie upon the nazi' the second reading of said Bill. On the Motion fcir .he third reading of the East Lon:Ion Water Works'liill, a Clanse wa4 proposed by Mr. NI A NNIYQ, to restr;.iiii the Company within lhnits ; on which a.division took place, when Were appeared-Against the clause, i 5—,-For it, r 26— Nlzij:Drity against • . Waite strangers were excluded, another division took but upor what point we did not learn. The Bill v. read a third time, and passed. . • MUrINV . AT ATE 1.1.0 RE. . - Mr. HOlVO.trif, in a .tune Of., voice not very au:',..:..)1 ; ) to thc gallery, said, he thought it his - dtity to cad att;:ritinti of tbe*House* to late dread ful Liv.itiny at V ell br C j a y , he. had ev,ery rt - .‘:,son to think, had been' octrisibnea by an measure, tending to violdte some thr: eusteins ,of the natives. He wished to put a - `;',.1.-stion to a Bight Hon. Gentleman opposite, as hesidetit of the Board of COlitroul, according 176 !if: should receive, he'shonld, perhaps, 11,IS dUty to ".,found 'a Motion upon this nsub -;!c.1-. He wished to - know whether, in consequence vt t accounts received from. Madras, any steps rind been takcn i either to rettiove those persons who Lave.lbeen.so obnOi,ious to the natives, or to attempt ,/.o.Contliattliose who,were so much irritated - ? IiUNDAS, as President of the Bo.ird .of Coniroul, answered, that he could assure the flon. 6 ;11:12man, that- the Sobje.6 to Which he alluded had ,• le.en of serious consideration with the Board ContrOtth.-)' Previous to the appointment of the iy..senyjioard, * the Court of Dire4tors did make a ii,,olution a :o the changeS 'that were to 'take' place the Madras' Eshihiishment. With .regard to the causes of that unfortunate mutiny, he could, 'only . that - dnring the very. 'days since the present 10.6 a have been 'appGinted, it wes impossible that they could have; made up 1.:L . 6 - minds, or that they ::;: v ii‘riscertain . that did 'aattally The . 13oard having he en so employed, I.,Lc.pthis whatever steps vi:t . uC 1 . 1.1: - !,2, , d nece.gsary. •, • Q:: L— •thac as •tlie qi3c,stior, was one 11 , It the: 'twist serious consideration, he should thiyik it would be advisable to delay a4r.t., ing ,any measures,, till the aVival of an Qt - ii , :er whom :l e. to be upon his passage from India to Ws country. The Oa - leer he alluded to was Sir John C r raddoek, who;-from his situation at Madras, had had an opportunity of investigating the whole attair-,-and who, therefore, would be able to state "tilt • i)articul.:irs with - more • teeuraey than --coultt be done in any written dispatches. On the Motion of Lord CASTLERFAGII, Sir Fitz gerald, Hill was ordered to attend in his place on fiViokiday se'nnight. Mr:WirrriaiAD'presented a Petition front a Mr. Waterbons'e Cricuble Lindsay, who had been Captain Of a Yeomanry Corp's,. in• ilia,County.of-Tyrope, in _lreland, praying for some relief, on_ account-of very, severe losses he and :liis family had sustained, (hiring the Rebellion in that Contitry, while using his best ekertions in supp'ort of the King and Consti tution. Mr; STEWART and Mr. Wic in .m , bore testimony to the veracity of the assertions in the Petition; and it was accordingly ordered to - be laid upon the table. -Lord HENRY PF.;TTY.: postponed the second read:- ing - of the National Debt Redemption. Bill till this. day se.'nnight, on'accouut of the Loan Interest Bill, with which it had some connexion, still depending in the HonSe of Lords. GLEBE HOUSES IN IRELAND. Mr. ./FICK.H.4/1/ rose, in -pursuance of a.notice he had given, and made a speech of considerable length, explanatory of the _state of the 'Protestant Chtirch in Ireland. It had been long a matter of great complaint and_ grievance, that the Protestant Clergy.-had - been so ill provided for, while their duties had been greatly increased by the union of many parishes into one. die concluded with mov ing—" That a Sele& Committee be appointed, to take into consideration the several Ads of Parlia ment relating to the building, re-buildiiig, and keep ing in repair Glebe Houses, in Ireland, and pur chasing Glebe. Lands ; inquiring into the, returns made of the Churches, and the Reports as to the union of Parishes made in 1803 and 1806, respec-; tively ; to 4„xamine said Papers, and to ascertain how tar the s saiu Acts have been etfecaive or inadequate, and to. report their opinion thereon to the House." Dr. DUIGENAiV. said, that most of the unions complained of had taken, place under the patronage of the Crown, particularly:an the county of Kerry. He admitted, however, that many grievances bad thence arisen, and th i erefore it was a. fit subject for inquiry. He'believed that a more oppressed set of inch did not exist any where than the Parochial Clergy in Ireland. They did not enjoy one-titih of what theywere entitled to, the great majority of them, not haying 2001. a-year. He therefore seconded_the moiion. ' Sir JOHN NEWPORT said, that many erro neous claculations had gone forth as to the: actual number of inhabitants in Ireland. The number,as' laid down by Mr: I.oshe; in the Irish PhilosophiCal TranSa&ions, amounted. to upwards • of _four mil lions. " Although' the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland had the power of disuniting parishes, he had not found any instance in which they had , done The state of the Proteitant Chord) of Ireland . did require the 'attention of , the House, and he Was sure they could net bestow their labours better than in discussing - such an inquiry. The CHANCELLOR of the EYCILECNER . . said, he should certainly for Wait' the objectof the . Motion.. He believed (be money directed to be ap plied for the benefit of the Church, by the Ads in 1802; had never been properly applied. " ;Many of the unions had beendireded by the Privy Council, on account of some of the pariShes . not being ade. quale to the maintenance of a - clergyman; The pro posed inquiry,' therefSre, appeared to be one Of the most useful ads the Souse could engage,l o -' One objed on this side of the water had been, to secure the resiclepce Of the Clergy, but such lin °hied could not be,aimed at in Ireland, as t ill s uch time they had parsonage houses to reside in. Mr. MAURICE FITZGERALD stated, that, to his knowledge, 'some, of the Livings, M the South of Ireland amounted to 10001., to-13901., and som e even to 30001. a year and Ids& that, iu same in stances, :where a consolidatiOn of Livings and Parishes had - taken . plaCe, -aidatiention tO pious duties of the people had been reversed; for no place of reli g i ous w o rs hip was provided. within , the reach of ttie inhabitants ; nor'could such parisioners obtain baptism tor their children,'or the other rites of the Church ; "and the consequence was, that the. Protestant inhabitants, in such places, had digap- Feared. He hoped, therefore, that,a strict investk gation would. be set oti foot, with a view of correct ing such abuses. 11 Mr. thought, that the Rouse ought to be put in possession of "circunistances so material 'as those hinted at by the Hon. Gentleman. The ,population . of Ireland, as computed by, Mr. Bushe, amounted, in the year 1788, to 4,800,000 iohabi tants the population of England and Walei, as the Coisus was taken in 1801, was 9,200;00o; from - thi‘i. it appeared, that the calculations of- the Hon. and , Learned Gentleman .(Dr. Duigenan) were formed upon mistaken data. .L'Vr. A . r. INC HAM spoke in explanation ; after which the Resolution, as moved by him, was put and carried ; and a Select Committee of Inquiry was ap pointed accordingly. . ASSESSMENTS OF.IRISH GRAND iums. Mr. MAURICE FITZGERALD stated the amount of Assessments - imposed 'by the Grand Juries of Ireland, for the repairing :of roads and bridges, to be of a magnitude beyond. expectation. By the l'Qturns on the Table, an annual sum was stated as. exceeding half .a million, exclusive of the heavy levies imposed for turnpikes, and the mainte nance of communications between the high-roads, in addition to 'considerable sums for opening and repairing cross-roads, which sums it' was 'to 'be expected Would increase: Thus a"Stuu equal tdone fth of the' whale revenue of the country was raised in Ireland for the - sple purpose of making - and repairing' roads. Such a revenue * ought to be Con ducted with the. Most economical. management. The object - 01 - his intended MOtion was, therefore, to regulate. the Assessment of 'the Grand 'Aries 3 and i in h . • ' lienilipose tint orcv.sr to tshould c rents under ~ . . sik pont - ids - a year exeMpted from Grand Jury A.sessinents, and'that this tai shotitd be levied on the true prAnciple, that those on whom' it was im pOseci should:have a se.n.*,l6 interest in the tax to be 16 - led, and that the Grand Jurvmen who imposed this tax should themselves f•Jel . somewhilt kif the border!. lie meant. also to propose some regula tioos respelling .presentationS by Grand Juries:ln Irelandi,aod a more rigid mede of calling persons to - account for the suns raised, •and the disbursement of thens. He proposed, with the leatre of the House, to bring in a Bill to remedy these evils, and that such Bill should lie over until next Session, to give titoe, for its examination by_the G•raud.deries afire, laud ; ;at the, same time he did not mean to trench upon the ancient powers.of these Grand Juries, but only to subje& the exercise of their power to Stria regulations. It was' necessasy,. at the present junc ture, to attend to the state of the people of Ireland ; at a moment when every man who 'supported - Ale Union had his views completely blasted, and when - the recent Administration was founded on an in terdid to meet the wishes of that Country, and had . accepted office on condition of intercepting the Com munication of politiCal privileges to a:large:class of , that community ; and when it had evenbeeoine mat ter of consideration, whether it was any thing better than a mere nominal Union which had taken place; it became especially necessary to consider what .1)- ordinate measures could be undertaken for Alle. befiefit of Ireland. He concluded with moving for leave to. bring in a Bill to alter aud.,emend : the - Laws relating to the levying of Money by Grand Juries in Deland. he CHAKCELLOR of the E. I .:CREQUER, said, he by no means objcaed to the introdu&ion of this measure r. nor should he oppose it in its progress through the House; any more than he would ob stimet the progress of any: .measure calculated for the real benefit - and happiness of that Country ; he rose merely for the purpose of rebutting the founded charge of the Hon.' Gentleman, with re sped to the-supposed principles of those with whom he now awed in his Majesty's Administration. He assured that Hon. Gentleman, that there was no thought more foreign from his heart, than that of in tercepting the wishes of that kingdom from ap proaching the ear of his Majesty or' of that House ; 'nor was any duty more' present to his mind than that of 'promoting the interests, tranquillity, and prosperity of that part of the United Kingdom.---: Such; he would most distindly state, should be the object of any counsel he might be called, Upon to give respecting Ireland. He must, at the same time, enter his protest against the idea of the Hon. Gentleman, that it was doubtful whetlier the Union betWixt - Great Britain and Ireland was produdive of any advantage, •or was any other than nominal. — Such a suggestion, if trot noticedonight lead persons to suppose that a doubt was even entertained in Parliament whether that great national measure shotild be- rescinded ; but considering, as he did, that the interests of the Nation at large were .em braced in it, so as that it would be productive of the greatest mischief if Parliament should suffer this , -contract to be agitated,' he could not therefore suffer .Such an idea as this to be thrown out in silence, be lieving, as he did, ._that neither that Heuse nnr the Empire ,at large would indulge for A rtitiment such a serious thought. Mr. / PARNELL wished that the condua of the - Right ;-ion. Gentleman had been such , as not to en courage such an expression as that made use of by .7 14 Hon. Friend (Mr. Fitzgerald) ; but if' prejudices were set afloat to the prejudice of a large body of our fellow-subjects in Ireland, was it surprising if the feelings of Gentlemen belonging to that part of the . EMpire should be aroused to the use of strong. expressions ; „, Mr. 11 7 7LBERFOICE said he shOuld give. his support to the Motion. It gave him great pleasure when Gentlemen from that part of the United King dom called the attention of the House to the,cone sideration of the interior situation of Ireland,- and gave any information upon the subje&. He could not but think that if they took more frequent pp portunities of enlightening the House upon the. real state of Ireland, they would do a most essential ser vice to their country, and be was sure they would find most attentive auditors in the Members of this. part of the United Kingdom; who would as zealous ly and anxiously promote the interests of their fellow subjeasinfreland as those whom they more immediate- ly represented. With respect to the general question concerning the Catholics, this was not the tirtie to enter into it—but he could not but call to mind the opinion given respecting Catholic Emancipation upon a memorable and unfortunate occasion by a person who must be supposed to have consideraale know ledge upon the subject. He alluded to tde .eXarni nation of a person who was a leading nun in pro moting and fostering the Rebellion in When he was asked whether he thought the Etnan: cipation of the Catholics, as it was cali':d; would ,have tranquillized the people of that counety ?"He ,answered,- that they did not care about it—that it was of no more value to them than tde,,ink of his pen. .Whether this person was correct or, not in his .opinion, he could not tell ; but he was sure that if the Gentlerneu of Ireland would frequently call the attention of the 'United Parliament ao tie real situa tion of the interior of Ireland, much night be done to ameliorate - the condition of the pevle 'of that country. If Irish Gentlemen, and MeinherS of Par-, liament, would study endpoint out measures cal.' culated to promote the internal comfort and prospe rity of Ireland, they would do far mare real service to their country than by recriminating upon those Who could not hazard ihe strong measures they :might wish. Whatever difference of opinion there might be as to higher questions of policy, all,. he trusted, would concur • in endeavouring to promote the reformation of the abuses in that Country ; and with this view, he wished it to be considered, whe ther it might not, be possible for the voluntary exer-. tions of the - great landholders themselves to correa these abuses ? Mr. FmomiALD, in •explanation, stated his. mo tives and, expedations in voting for the Union. His motion was then put, and carried, and leave was given to bring in a Bill accordingly. • On the Motion of Mr. WICKHAM, the several papers relative to the Glebe Lands, in Ireland, were ordered to be printed. • The Innkeepers' Allowance sill, the Traders' As sets Bill, and the Oak Bark Bill, were severally read a third titre-and passed.—The Report of the Com mittee. on the London Port Bill, was brought up ‘v hen the Report was ordered to . be committed.— Th'. Parish Apprentice Bill went through a Com mittee.. The other Orddrs of the Day were deferred. Adjourned. . . . p , ..n5 i Li:bon, Watafazd.. ,-~ PRICE OF STOCKS TUTS DAY .AT TWLLNE O'CLOCK. Consols - 6cli OnaniLun r f E SUN. SGLiM QUIS DICF.RI TALSUM AV:)7..tf 0 N .1) ON, TUESDAY, Apigr. 21, 1807. No intelligence whatever reached town this morn . itig from the CoOtinent. A report was circulated yeS terclay, that the French had evacuated Hamburgh,and that the Swedish TioQps had taken possession of that City. Th'is report was founded . upon 'a 'Leiter from. Elsineur, but tip'ou an examination of dates, it doe-: not appear entitled to any credit, We have made some farther ExtraCts from the Po. reign Papers, respeaing the Negotiation with the Porte, and we have strong reason to fear that the opinion which we expressed on Saturday, in oppo sition to. most of our Contemporaries, that the Ne. :gotiation bad failed ? will prove to be top well founded. THE opponents-of the present NTinisters seem to entertain very serious apprehensions that a dissolue tion of Parliament will speedily take place, and so eager are they to reprobate that measure, that they will not stop to consider whether their arguments are consistent, or even whether they do not press more strongly against themselves than against their adver saries. It is boldly asserted, that a great majority of the People concur with the late Ministers upon the question which led to their dismission. If thew v('ho make that assertion really believe(' it, a 'disso lution of Parliament would he to them - a subje& of trinmph rather than of regret. They do not seem to, consider how much they ,cenfess the badness of their own cause by displaying this uncommon sore 'less, even upon a hint of a diSsolation. The opi nions of the KiNe, the Loyd*, and Commons, are known to be decidedly against the late. Ministers Up en - the measure which caused their removal from office this cannot be denied, because those opinions haye been most distintitly and unequivocally pro nounced; but their advocates contend, that the measure was in general popular : then Why should they dread an appeal to the Public, whose senti ments, they say, are in unison with their own ? Why should they be unwilling to have their' ceedu4 debided upon by the only Tribunal which they Issert is favourable to their cause The real faa is, the late Ministers know, that with respe& to their con dua to his MasEsTx on the, Catholic Bill , th % pilb° lic opinion is decidedly against them. They Weed ", deny if with their tongues, but they confess it by their fears." The Addresses to His MAJB4Trt Which .are pouring in from all quarters, have, Sct thoroughly convinced them upon this subje&, that ft is not surprising that they should be unwilling !G' have recourse to the only other criterion by which the public vpinion can be known. Hsi MAJESTY is expeaed in town to-marrow. Yesterday the Princess . cbrARI O 9TTE of WALFiI with Lady DE CLIRTORD, deft itun House on 4, visit to Blackheath. His Royal Highness the Duke of Cti - ,2l3Ent.Azil? has resigned the qui - 11E11am.! of the South West pis' tritt. Private letters by the Denmark Mail contain ini telligence of a recent date from St. Petersiyirgh. neral Duaoc had arrived in that city, wiw pacific proposals from BoNAPKRTE to the Emperor ALE AI•rDER, " His Imperial Majesty, however, retese4 hint an interview ; and the only reply of the Kos' sian Minister was, that his Imperial Master woui4 listeh to no terms but in concert with his Allies; that the - preliminary stipulation would be, that P°' latid'and Germany s h ou ld b e en ti r ely evacua t e d by the Fiench Troops. M. Novosti.Tzon , had set oic for .Mcuel, on a special mission to his Pi ussian jesty. A - Gentleman who left flushing three .days agc, .and has arrived at. Dover, states, that it was conk' dently rumoured there in the private circles, that up: wards 0110,000, men of the French' army in Poland were known to have died through fatigue and want of proviSions. It was also reported, that the French had suffered another severe defeat about 14 days ag°! There is a fine new frigate, Of 44 guns, lying at that port ready for sea, threeneW ships of 74 guns each , - and three frigates are expeCted there from Antwerp' in a short time, to be fitted, but manned they cal': not be from that part of the coast, as every s oidie: • and `sailor arc-gone to the army, and the inhabitan t ' are called out twice a day to praCtice small arms."' A great part of the Boulogne flotilla is likewise er peCted at Flushing this month, • or the next. The Konzgsturgh Gazette, of the 26th March' contains the official report of General BENNIGS I4 ' relative to the battle of Eylan, of which so OWN accounts are already before the public. • Tile General states, that the Russian Army, , t 0 Consequence of various detachments made trot" l was only 70,0, while the French army amoun tei to 80,000. It ill. " The battle, which began about three o'cinc , d , the afternoon of the 7th February, lasted till 0, night of the following day ; the loss of the enerri4: says the General, according to their own accoti'd, amounted to 30,000 killed, and 12,000 woun ct `,. 2 i Ooo were made prisoners, and 12 eagles tak Ohr.loss consists of 12,00 P killed, and 7900 ed. k"ourteen French Generals were 16 1 e' e cl, wounded.. ' Nine of pur Generals were wiAt''ai but most of • them 'sb, sli&htly that they have a r ea d d. rejoined the army. This Aleport is &vied i BEN:NIG,SEN.7 - i pt.