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, f Goaded, and undertaking to aver that the house of Xl'lllllllll, Haisbisiy, and Co bad two control or influence is the. deter wituatiois of die Magistrates, be would proceed to answer the question of the Right Hoe. Gentlemen as to tit& vise twat. It was to be recollected that he had, whhuuttonsolu lag the trade, pledged himself that the price of her wield he lowered as soon as the sticks upon which the toll Miss were taken, should he consumed. The Government remitted uste•rartbing per pot duty, and they required the price in he . . . . . . . . au such on b4ll4l;er the brewers. He said at the time that It oda delealbous that the m•Jney to be sawed to the tataller, het 4.l.Theakeilse that eloeotd so tale the pocket. of the breirem e pledied Coo& to • ',auction, and it bad labiraitlae•.—lbte, Hash boom asked, " be* me& ?"J — The price bad bees barred a hallpeoey pee pot, Govern. nay hiArlog ',diced It • farthi•of There way • very getiorailmossodeestamdlne, that the pablie•bettees were most esmseeely the property of the brewers. He would tome the esseaditlos of his own business to spew the fact is the proper liebt. He dealt with NMI persons, of whets there were 106 laving homes le the (meaty. He pommeed 49 homes out *ldiom and so more; about It hewers were confined to his berniko:uo by excessive loess ad el sport them, besides • Asa mpio• which Moderate loans had brew advanced ; leay. lag toss than 600 houses steely free and independent of his. That he was not the bleed of the emeopoly eyelets be had proved, by suggesting to the Nlember foe tihrembery • Masse for his Bill to realm° brewers from becoming Immo srf poblic.home premiss. He /mew Hat ibm woold go to impose frrsis restraint, oa the trade, bet he thought it ateisMissety. He world reply tp another ermmeet respecting sherefirength of beer. A gallant Admiral had expressed a wish that he could get it as strong as be used to drink it is his youthful elms. Ile (Hr. Beason) Inuitelten the trouble es Squire, and found that ba r eqs brewed sheeted sow by 1$ per mot. Mate 20 years sits, es the Whist iisnieed rtht learn fres the mimes is the Radii mike., IMildliwthiti by sine other observations Is fausgemf compietitino. rt , •s, t 1. , •/ 9..1 •1111 It:• "fr. CA LVERT deeded - timl tHasmisessetteemeepefy our waived to large tows; k was he SSC aidsrastrely era Greed is the country, where one brewer hold the bowies of every village toe miles round. lie thought that the Mogi*. tram ought to interfere to prevent the practice, mid ebb hoist the Itemise front bowies the erepsetp bees/errs. He WOO was ea advocate fur the fair emapelitimeof an epees market. Mr ). lIERRIGHT said that It em *below( BIM s oysters, ingeinst the evils of which the coostry was sling sanigns dysesd to the ether, ought lobe pet as god to. ho-is Mr. G. BENNETT admitted that his. Hoa.,FYlssii s l stllt Member for Weymouth, bad suggested such aelsassalligH which be had described ; bet he found great dideeltp• In id. eredeeirrg it into the Bill, mg kaowing wades what treat to place she execution of the law in deal respect. Hs thought It was high oboe le pot as cad to she practice of toommoly, which gave the small brewers au opportursity of drenching the public with their poison. He had examined the beer its several villages of his own county, and It was almost always bad, ober. being hardly such a Odor to be Moad sea free hose. He recommended some &heredity's of the strands' of bottsan,aad for the trade to be thee thrones freely apes as the sale of bread. Mr. CA LVERT sad Me. BENNETT mutually etsplained Mr. WHITER EA I) concurred with all that woo said hy the Hoe. Member few Weymouth, *ad particularly scow inn aded an open trade, so far as not to endanger the great quentily of property invested already is pablicAtetries. Mr. C. SMITH spoke. Mr. MONCK said that there needed .soothing more Is prove the evils of the system than ilia mistimed fact, that a boos become doubled and trebled in 'aloe by Wittiest a licence granted to it. Art ewe/best physician who had sur vived 30 ra re in Bash, lead assured him that the greater part of the distempers of the hammers is the neighbourhood, such as cholics—(Laugliter)—were to be attributed to the perni- cious beer mold there. Mr. C. SMITH wits 'bunt to speak again, but wu pro vented by tries of " Spoke:" Mr. BUXTON explained. He d.d not wish to take the mentor his suggestion to the Member for Shrewahory uu ►imself only. He ►ad it ire from • respectable brewer, user in that Howse, Mr. Barclay. The Petition was then read. Mr. HUSK ISSUN explmarel, end said he did sot pretend to know Ike **Nationr and focal eneuaessaates su the Petition. Mr. C. SM ITH again opoilapiall liaa , Pettiloo was laid on the table. Mr. HANEL, moved that edthmatee for ezpenisee for the British Museum be referred to the Committee of Sopply...— Ordered . Mr. HUME moved for other returns for the Aerate otibe New Colnetes—Mauritius, Ceylon, Cope of Good Hupe, mod Melts, shearing the names of the Agents, dates ud••p- ' pointateni, salaries, and emoluments a rotary kind ; together with similar rewrite respecting any other offices held by the same agnate, and from what ninety of the public service they were paid. Mr. HUSKISSON said that he had made that reborn for himself twice tu the House and ouce to the. Committee up states. Mr. HUME admitted the fact to he as aestqatbs the Eight Hoe. Gentleman respecting himself. Others hid sot imi. tiled him. Several of them refused to &mead the retur a seat them fur the purpose by the Committee, tillegieg the Committee had am right to Inquire into the affairs of. f' tither offices which they might bold. Mr. WI L.MOl' did not know bow it was possible le 11114:. • ply, to every instance, with the order fur the retards maw . asked. Mr. HUME thought that oothiog could be easter, as opi aloe in which he erns borne out by the same order keeling been fully complied with in SIX or seven inseams which had already occurred in this Session. The accounts wars ordered. Me SYKES presented a Petition from the Shipowners of Eiegaturayipori.Hull splint the Navigation Bill, especially the secoad clause. Sir V. W. RIDLEY presented a similar Petite. from Neweasile•upon-Tyue. Mr. BEAU bIONT said a few words in support of it. The Petitious were ordered to be printed. Mr. MAXWELL presented a Petitiee frost Renfrew, praying the removal of the restraints on the iatrudeetruir of Scotch sporilv.—Ordered to be printed. Coloael DAVIES read Resolutioes to the Mosey Stigler. be gave notice, he waeld by and by move re the Couseslttes we Agricultural Distress. Sir F. BVRDETT moved for copies of the Report of the evidence of Dr. Bryon, goal surgeon of Whetter.-- Oirdered. Mr.GRENFELL wished to know if the Cheer:eller of the Baelsequer was prepared to lay before the How the copies of the corresoondeace between tie Goverw.ient sad the Bank of England, and if eel thee, at what time they might 'tweet it! He wished also to hurry when the Right Hocuer. able Gentle..n reseeded to bring forward the subject of lb* risawal of the Bask charter The Marquis of LONDONDERRY intimated, that is the abortion of hie Right Hoe. Friend there could be sus as sort gives to the questioll• Or the Hon. Gentleman. Mr. CALVERT having seer great numbers of pour Irish conveyed slung she road in waggons, tutended to be sent beck to their own reentry, wished to know if it were by the order' or the Goverasneet or parochial means t Mr. PEEL knew sedate( of the eircuouritsece, sad cern chided that it most be,s parish &fair. AGRICULTURAL REPORT. The Slarguis of LOWDONDURY moved the Or der of the Day for the House resolving into OM. saltier to consider the Report ou agricultural di•trerr. Oh the motion that the Speaker leave the Chair, Mr. Etkice robe. He was sorry, after what had pawed the other night on the mutt expedient rearm. to he taken in the debate, to break in upon the Oyu then agreed opon, but his duty compelled heat to do so. He Must advert to the propo.ihotto to be submitted to the Committee by the Noble Lord. at.d the other plans of relief to agriculture. If ha thought any of thous propositions would really relieve agriculture. or if they were not likely with out doitig it to Nitre very materially the manufac turing end ceminercid interests, he would not have intevfered. Had he not taken this opportunity of op). po.iug all the proporitione, lie would nut have done it in the Committee, except nuthe occurrence of each separate, which he was not willing to do. The Noble Lord ibipbeil the attentiou.of the Committee thin fixed first of all upon the project for edvoncing one million on woo:hooting corm He could not see how they were to avoid going into the general . discussion on this branch of the 'abject, which comprised two very material considerations : first, the once of corn, awl the mein. about to be taken to raise it ; a' co o lly, the effect of that on the 'other interests. lie would trouble the House with a few remarks now, promising to refrain from any in the Committee. He had formerly stated that the only object of the Committee was to raise the price of corn. He was aware that the attempt could not succeed for she present, and that it mutt be intend ed with disastrous effects to the country. He had ventured to denounce the propositions hatching fur that purpose, us empyric nostrums nut worthy of puttee; lie still thong lit so ; they could pro duce no benefit to ugriculture, and they would be highly detrimental to the mercantile and manufac turing'interesto. Ile thought the mune of all the promoitious (rod there were numbers of them); he had the same objection to them all, that they weed to raise the price or corn at • time when corn was 50 per cent. above every oilier market of Europe. He took the average to lie from 555. to 605., untl bread in London was double the prise it was io Paris. If the consumers were to be culled on to pay more thin double the price of other cointries, let it be coeisidered how this was to affect the coin ' nitrite and' menu factures: but suppose the House `agreed in the necessity of raising the price of corn, •Itst would the agricultural classes require us the exact reruuntratipg price So far he was rpudy to go wish them, if it could be proved to be precticable, as to do something to keep the price stationary. But what Orlie was to be adopted Would 55.. satisfy thein ? They may say that they can't pay the lases out of that price. He concurred with them—he would go with them in getting the taxes reduced—hut he would not go with them to raise the price of corn. and by that means destroy interests which were equivalent in importance at least to their own—he meant the manufacturing and commercial iuteresta. If the projects were not strong enough to raise the price up to remuneration, grievously injurious as be considered the present monopoly of the market Vibe native grower, he would rather that than any new regulation. It would be well to refer to the course taken by Parliament in regard to the corn laws. There were only three instances of Parliamentary interference until the law of 1815. He explained the state of the law as to the imports and exports of corn in 1791; the prices were now on the tame footing as in 1791, and lie did not believe they could rise higher. In 1791, the average was 495. In 1800 end 1801, there being a scarcity, the price rose to 1275. ; it fell M 1801, 3, and 4, to 655. The Legislature then.' in Tear Of the imports of foreign grain, brought In the Cora Bill, which was the lest'before these:crating else. It imposed a duty of 4s. 6d. when the price was 63.., which was to diminish to ed. 'when it reached 661. The last Bill inigmedis duty of IS.. until the price reached 70s. It was impossible dist the landed interest could go on at the present rate; their distress was known to all. , •idtiot what was the remedy not to throw their beirtlens on other shoulders. Let them com pel a redaction of taxes, or at least force Ministers to u recouoideratiou of the affairs of the country, so as that measures might be adopted commensu rate with the dreadful distresses of it. At the end of the war the price of corn was raised to an average of gg,., the taxer were borne with comparative ease. 71•Ite Legislature had since changed the circum stances of the country. The forty-three willious of rental which Dr. Colvishoun valued the country at, with wheat at 100 s. a bushel, gold being 3/. ler. the ounce, had been sunk one-half by the alteration of tl:e standard—the pressure of the taxes was exactly doibled. Talk as they would, the country could alsett go on in this state. The Same causes would 'Produce the same effects as they had done when ° they were before its operation. The difference be itween him and the Member for Portarlinston war. Abet he took the alteration of the currency fur the mosionine cause of the distrets, and over-production for the minimums, while the Member for Portarling ton held his opinions rice versa. A bad harvest iii two-thirds of the counties had contributed to the im mediate causes of the distress. It would be as well to see how these causes had operated in former period.. He referred to the prices about the time of the Re. volution and just after, the currency was much de. based, and the price of corn went us• to Go.. About the year 1700, the currency was elicited and restated, and the prices fell to 38.. and 355. 'fins was the same cruse with that in action at present. Na. slid she fall of price reflect one ar ticle only, as corn, or one class of articles, a. the wood. corn, meat, and other produce of the land, but there was a similar decline in cotton, hemp, and iron. In the year 1813, all these snicks were double the prices of 1791 and 182. If corn ouly had falleu, the cause might be exceseive production ; but they who held so roust be prepared to allege over-production we all other commodities, which had all fillet,, though in a sew instances, in variable degrees. What male the evidence of the case cf the early part of last cen tury conclusive was, that then there was no paper motley ; the currency was metallic, which was re stored from a debased and altered condition. The subject was now more full of difficulty. In 1809 Mr. Horner stated the Batik of Eugland Holes in circulation at seventeen mullions. He said that they had lately added one million and • half to that sir. eulution, for which he computed an accompanying addition of three fathoms of country bank paper, mskiug together four millions end a half, or • war 'Noel to all the currency added to the circulation of the world in the same time by the mines of Amt.- ries. He estimated the depreciation by those tour millions and a half at Is per cent. It was to be doubted if gold could thee be made the mea sure of the depreciation, and Mr. Horsier thought that the gloomily of gold coin in cocoa lotion, ought. with a like quantity of Book pater, to be left out of the question, ea balaiscisig each other. Hr then estimated the depreciation at IS per ceut. But let thew absent how the paper had eubntly inerekted, • when! there were 29 milli utry book pews Dud 30 mill' a B4' f I ritud enoru. Tbe queutity of both tog raised from 96 'to 60 Whoa. lu the r 'rid she es DC! ef.geld war 3!. 164 6d.g it w . ift '8 1. 170. 10d. re was impossible that the r e I,Ortikr that time could have been correct.— Mr... Homeland the House must have been deceived qpun the price of gold. He did not blame the Bill of the Right Hon. Gentleman opposite for the evils. The cause was the Act of 1797, and the effects continued up to 1815, during all which time the coontry was treated as feverish, or in In ague— now starving for currency, sad now inundations of paper. In 1815, the American wer being closed, vast exports of manufactures sod of foreign merchan dise left the ports. So moth gold wu expected to return, •thrence an attempt was made to raise the standard - by it. The Government made sn effort to riy the Bank, end the paper was drawn in. This west on, but in six months producedsuch confusion that the Chancellor of the ExcheNner had nothing fur it hot borrowing twelve millions of the Bauk again, and the paper was issued in greater qoatititirs than 4ver. In 1914, the Bank had 18 millions afioat— in 1818 30 minima—and in that moment, when the depreciation was at the worst, in came the Bill tht Right Honourable Secretary. He acknow ledged that he hod keen one of the actors in that tbeinure, as indeed he must always feel anxious to prevent • discretioisaty and boundless issue of pa per. The ounce of gold was then said to be 41. 2s, He 104 tit the time that it ought to be taken at '6l. 10s. and that something ought to be done to adjust fixed payments to the new standard. Some such bold measure they still required. He would not say that he was prepared to alter agaiu it was one Hong to take an important step towards a just object ; it was another to undo all again for the sake of petty, miserable expediency. He would support an effective measure; lie would not suppoit a measure of • meaner character. In 1818, the country bank paper was 27 millions; in 1819, 20, and 21, this was reduced to 13 millions, deduct ing one-half front this portion of the circulating me- Mom ; and then gentlemen, forsooth, were much astonished at the falling of prices, and could not molt-wand the extent of the former depreciation.— He stated (after various intermediate details) the Bank of England notes in circulation to have been reduced to what it was in 1816, and the reduction on all the notes in circulation to have been from 60 to 36 millions. Here was the great canoe of all the suffriings. He would not now state why it was not possible for him to agree with any of the proposi tions, and why he must protest against any further proceeding with them. The Noble Lord had made large boasts of the increasing mercantile prospe rity, though no one connected with bovines. had borne out the statement by evidelice of any sort. The Noble Lord had said the same of mouuric. tures, and no doubt that there was a temporary ad- Toilet in them—they were saver in brisker occu pation—how profitably was to be determined. But look at the causes of this. If they had wanted in millions of coin, and manufactures had lett the country to that amount, it would have the same appearance of prosperity. and would be so far valuable. They did sat went corn but gold, and they therefore had been forcing the importation of gold. The accounts of the exports were fora while augmented. But this ass not a naturel agate of things; it was a traffic which could not long cots , !Mut, although the Noble Loud inftrred that all the other interests would be relieved through this. The Right Hum Gentlemiu had boasted that his Bull bud put the working cl into • bettercuoilt bon. So it hod. Wages did not readily follow the decline in the prices of food. The labourer got the ueceikaries of life for one-hull with the seine wages as before. Hod they nothing to fear from the adjustment which must follow of wages to these priers ? The luxury which they could indulge in— ite spoke it comparatively with their previously des titute coudition—would breed a spirit of discontent when they .caine to be abridged of their., and Parliament would have to devise measures for keeping them down. The residue of their wages they spent w giu or other indulgences, which accounted for the temporary increase of revenue. He coffin deceit the Corn Bill good, merely because it lay as a dead letter on the books. No Government would ever undertake to enforce it in a case of rxigeocy, and circumstances gave the farmers • monopoly of the market. He ,deprecated any ides of raising the price of corn. Could they he inked to undertake to force the labourer to pay double the price for food paid by the labourer of France and America? He bad been told by the Member for Nottingham, that there was a great demand for English mechanics rod artificers—an that it would be quite cruel, his Hon. Friend olperved, to prevent them from going. Let the House think what this in (nested. Three or four years ago it would bare been difficult to conceive the benefit to be derived front niautifacturra to America, where an acre of ground was to be had fur 1/, sterling. Now there were cot ton manufacterers in Philadelphia, and a spinning jenny to Malisiachusett, which were found to be so profitably, that orders were given for several more to be erected. This transfer would go on still fur ther, if the prices of food were to be tamed, until we became like Holland at the decline of her com merce. As to the propositions. and especially the brat. of advancing one milli on grain, it was so absurd that the Noble Lord must «bamboo it. He considered all these measurer inefficacious so long as the taxes were to be rallied out uf pro duce depreciated one half, which yet was dearer by fifty per cent. than the produce io Amsterdam. the only free market iu Europe. The project of advancing one million had been compered to the aid of Exchequer bills to merchants ; hut he saw no likeness in the case.. Money was nil vowed to inerchouts un goad; which were wait ing for a foreign market. Money could not be mlsanced on good grai.., sod the hail would rot in the warehouse. The. project most be given up. There was uo relief, for it was impossible for the Noble Lord and bib Cove, aaaaa ent to take so bold II step as it would require to extricate the country. The only thing having that tendency was to piers them for a reduction of lutes. They had been coruipoelled to that already in a degree. Taxa- ' two. accordin g to the Member for Purtarliog- ton, must have been iiicicused ten per cent. by the alteration of the currency. lie believed it to he 40 per cent.; but it must by that ad miasma hare had the effect of laying uu tau Sr - manses of new taxes thought the project of , and mischievous. Still because it west to ►edu he wished to come at by it all. After earnest!, compel reduction of taxes, tag up their time and _ opposing the motion, upon take the sense of the House. Mr. J. Bees?, said that the Hon. Gentleman had taken the average too high at 55a..; it was for England 'and Wales 445. 102. He did not admit that the farmers had enjoyed a monopoly of the market, nor could it be doubted bat that the con- . trary was the fact, when the Irish importations of grain had increased seven-fold. and of flour eleven.. fold in the last four years, without any alleged im provements in the cultivation. It was impossible that these quantities could have been of Irish growth. He ugreed that the best mode of relief was by redaction. Much was no doubt to be done by ' redacing the tithes and poor rates, and without this they could not support their present burdens. His object was to got rid of the present Corn Bill, .thrill - it. horrible restrictions, which formed • :Crmost destroctive to the landed interests of ountry, and not less so to the interests of the people in general. The Honourable Member for Coventry (Ir. Ellice) and other Honourable Gen tlemen expressed themselves exceedingly murexes to protect the consumers. Bat who, he would ask, were the consumers? The farmers themselves, \he labourers, the mechanics of various descriptions em ployed by the farmers, and the manufacturers for horns consumption, were all consumer*. These were all in distress, and all equally stood in need of protection, end must all derive it from the same source, because the home trade was sinking, as it always had and always most with the decline of the agriculture of the country. There was another clan- of consumer', for whom nn doubt the Honourable Member for Coventry felt the deepest interest, but for whom he (Mr. Be net) was nut at present disposed to feel much cormnioeration, and that was the monied interest, who had lienefired chiefly by the low prices. They, no doubt, would view as • hardship any decrease of the profits which they were able to draw from the . exhaustion of the land ; but he (Mr. Derma) had no feeling at all for then.—(Loud laughter.) They had derived their greatest prosperity from • measure which had aggravated, if it had not in a great degree produced the distress which weighed dawn the agriculturist.. What the amount of the injury dune to the latter class might be ; whether it did not exceed tea per cent. • argued by the Honourable Member for Poeterling ton (Mr. Ricardo), or whether it reached 40 per cent, as was asserted by another Hon. Member, or whether it even exceeded that amount,as maintained by some, be (Mr. B.) did not know, but what he did know was that a considerable portion of the clearers had arisen from that cause. During the war, which was carried on by successive loans. to provide for the interest of which it was necessary to raise additomel tarter, and by the secrificeof funds. whieh ought never to have been touched, the trade of the country was extended in au artificial 'twiner, slid when peace returned the trade f.ll ; some of the taxes he was aware had been reduced, but by no means in an equal ratio with the decline of trade. in that state of things which followed, the measure for restoring the currency to its former. level had been adopted, which he viewed es a second cause of the succeeding pressure upon agri culture. The only means, by which he cooceived efficient protection could be given to the letter, was that of a fixed duty on importation equiValent to the enormous taxation to which the farmer of this country was subject. He had been told by many that the rate which he hod proposed to fix was too low ; and there were 114 doubt on the other hand persons who would Omit it tot, high. He thought it would not he denied that the price which ought to be used, was that which would give the same mcney rent for land as was produced in 1792 ; and in order to arrive at that, it would be necessary to attend to the valuation of rent by the prices of corn at that period, and to compare it with the present. The average price of wheat for the ten years previOus to 179 /.. ova. 6s. Sid. per 'bushel. Supposing. therefore, the gross produce of a farm tube 2,000 bushels, that would hove yielded at that period 6271. Si. lid. All land surveyors at that time gave as the value of a farm, one-third of its gross produce; so that the •ntrual rent of such a farm as he had supposed. would be 209/. Is. 81d. The price which he wished to obtain at the present moment was Br. 41,1., which would give as the amount of the gross produce of the same farm 8371. 10r. Of that lie would take one-fourth fur rent ; because the same land-surveyors who in 1792 gave one-third of the produce on the value of a farm, now gave Duly one-fourth ; assigning as • reason for the ditlerence. the increare of poor-rates and taxes. Cousequently he would have fur the rent isf the farm 2091. 7s. 6d. bring only 30. 91d. higher than the rent sal the slum farm iu 1792. Every body would admit that the landlord was en titled to some higher rent at present that in 1792„ because the taxation is much higher than at dist period ; but it was not his wish to give him an In crease of rent equal to the whole amount of the dor. ference in the 'location at the two periods. If the scale of duty which he suggested were imposed, on I lie op ' gof the ports. the large importation that would take place would bring e large sum into the treasury, which would enable Government to re &ice a corresponding amount of taxation, as a set off, in favour of the consumer against die high price of wheat. The Hon. Member then proceeded to notice the frequent observations that were made • the adruntege which the landlord had over the helmet, which it was said enabled him to screw up Ibis rent, to the highest possible pitch, which he con troverted. and said that the desire of profit wit., es in all other cases, mutual ; and if the land. lard was anxious to get the roost he could for his land, the farmer in general was equally anxious to give as little as he could help. He knew a farm which used to let for 1,4001. a year. that had been thrown Op, and although a short time hack fifty persons would have been found ready to Wier them selves us tenuntr, not one could now be induced to take it. It was said as an argument against the impoortion of duties, that the distress did not arise from importation ; that they had now the benefit of protecting laws, uo foreign mu hating been for aILeA• mMiNIMIN. wears brought into the market. That , he was reedy to admit might have some if his views had been confined solely to the -gradation of the markets; but he was not those who imagined that any scale of tutu, Cld be imposed would have the efivet of the farmer, unless they were accompa. ALA great redaction of taxation. ,:lgawroar could not refrain from eijsressa lag Ins surprise et the Coarse taken by - his Hon. Friend the Member for Coventry, iu o pposing th e motion for goi n g into C omm it tee . The ITonse should recollect the unmerous body of petitioners, manufacturing as well as agricultural, list it hail to deal with ; and he thought it would not be acting with common decency to the vast body of highly respectable persons whose petitions had led to the appointment of the Committer, from whose Report the Resolutions about to br considered had emanated, 'if it refused to go into Committee upon these Resolutions, that being the course usually followed in the practice of the House, and having been adopted as the more convenient mode of discussing such subjects. That was the first consideration. Again, It was also necessary to con sider what was due to the Right Hon. Gentlernin who sat in the Chair of the House.—(year, hear.). His ditties were already sufficiently laborious, and it was any thing but fair to hiru to increaseihrin unnecessarily. by going into discussions while t„. was in the choir, upon subjects which were more re. gularly end more conveniently discussed in a Com mittee. He would propose, therefore, that the dh eussion should tint be prolonged, bat that the Home should go into Committee. When they had heard what was there proposed, it would be competent to any Hon. Member to move that the Charmain leal e the chair; but it was not just nor becoming con. duct towards the Petitioners to divide without hearing whin was to be proposed in their favour. Mr. BROUGHAM concurred fully in the. suctes tion of his Right Hun. Friend (Sir Johu Neispon) as to the propriety and greater convenience of going into the Committee, and lie was sure his Himoureble Friend, the Member for Coventry, would give him credit for not urging th.t course out of any respect for the plan of lea Melisti'• Ministers, for he slid nut bel i ev e one ballif the propositions, as far as he had berm able to understand them, that were put forth 111 their Resolutions. But as it appeared to him iin men could refuse to go into the Committee, wiles: it were Cu tridieidual, if such there were, which he was sera his Hon. Friend was far from being, alto held • belief in the perfect state of the present Corry Laws, arid regarded them not only as need. lag no change, but as so htt.d and adapted to all couditions and exigencies, of the state, that no addi tion or alteration could be made in them but her the Worse. Mr. Moack so'id he could not fully concur in the observations of the last speaker, although he entertained most of the sentiments of the Hon. Member for Coventry. lii his mind, the cause of the distress was mainly to be imputed, tint to low prices but to high taxes ; and he saw nothing in tlit• proposed iteloolutious which went to the reduction of taxes. He was not • friend to the present corn law.; ow the contrary, he in s. an evenly to every Corn Bill. He ilvnight them all a tax on the rest of the country iii favour of the farmers. So ler from viewing the low prices with dismay, lie koked to them for thi salvation of the couotry—(hear!)—k. he was sure the country gentleineo would never do their duty to their country as they ought, in resisting the iinpositiott of tutu-msery burdens, ilia the same time that they agreed to tax the rest of the country, they were allowed to protect themselves by artificial measures to raise the price of corn.— , (Hest, hear.)—The proposal to lay on duties oar fti reigu corn was at that moment premature, because they had already .11 the effect they could hope fur Oulu such at Olin. They had u compltte monopoly. It Ms* said that great inconvemence would result oar the opening of the ports, from t he passing from a state of complete monopoly to u complete fire trade. He could only say it was • case which was foreseen when the 14w was made; and he did not thick the inconvenience was us great as it was tail to be. It might be inconvenieut to the lundowoers, to whom high prices were necestry in order to secure high rents; but it could not be so to the farmers, who were not interested in high rents; nor to the great body of consumers, who were interested in los prices. Doctor Paley looked out the variations of the seasons and harvests as • providential check on the rapacity of landlords; but he (Mr, l‘loock) being of opinion that the seasons were on the average of the world always neatly the same, that when a season produced a scanty harvest in one country, it was compensated by a eurreapooding abundance in another, war rather disposed to view the variations of the seasons, and their effects upon the harvests, is • provieential provision iu favour of free trade. He thought tine evil, it it were ooe, had nearly reached its height, and that it was inspo , siiii hie the prices could go much lower than et present ; but he thought it was almost eqoally impossible to look from any natural crimes for such a rise to prices as would lead to the opening of the ports; fur, in the space of got) years previous to 1797, it had never occurred that wheat was so high as 80s.: and he protested against the anomalous attempt, by artificial regulation., an to raise puce* as to keep theirs up to the level of the taxes. Mr. Mats Baowss was understood to urge tha propriety of going into the Committee, but to he decidedly 'pima the wale of duties been ►uggrurd. Mr. EIMICE said his Right Ilonoui nutiourable Friends were very ouch they ►opposed him to intend either to petitions of the agriculturists. ur to *pp' preoriit coin lairs, lit compliance Mall 0111111./11 tlf the House. he was disposed it amendment, hut he had thought it e the oppurtont.y of expressitll hi* tile torssure• olitout ►o be prypovett. Sir W. W. WYNN woo uud.rs►ood in algrreing ►o the House gOO% tot, Co Hon. Member pledged himself to agree .ulunous, or au . bvicrtbe to the al/loam' sent Curn Laws being either good or utl only *..ruin) to take any proposed 11114; coti.eJerstonti. Sir K. Wit.surt said lie could unt, with his duty to Ma elmslitUrsits, Coal House going into the Committee, excel underotautling of I a being for the por i in the last two yeah lie above We i lt funa din peaglpiii absurd ar gumen t H the! "apse with it, w e i g ht, if Lice taxmt, so effect whieli em s ' caw I any means rather then not , see of {l)61 ly exhorting the 1101111 e to ` - ifigt.i.nlim :es, and apologizing for tak- protecting attention, he coucluded by atiedmith a upon which he resolved to Sir J. N E, DOI to Dr WIIICD lud loursble and mistaken if i oppose the arose of thr II the general nut to press t his duty is. optuumof I to say, that utuntittee, to to the kNr- il the pre- herwise, but muslificatiuu consisteatl! [mut to the apt with lII' rpose of thr, 1 I i I~+ 1 1, F {.