The Sun. — London, England, 1813-11-18 00:00:00

it do' , of *3 r dot sty icr by Fang r part, !f ,4, 4(4,0001, f or th m elensala. testillsily ; arid 8, 000, ° 661 1,414 servi ce of the general ii:tercals of lito-ope. If called , Dy the House to vote of present the se t-0A stun of two millions rind - a half for 1 , specific P,urpose, it wou l d engender some onneoeSsary, dif 4ulty, , as it would then ottly be, issuahle to. the rieis thus mentioned, and not to Austria or ;WY owel: by, whom it might be waffled. He should Ilitrefore xote that branch of the provision on a !! ) kral account ; and s h ou ld conclade ',yam: wing. that thNe millions be voted to . his Majesty to en, ',,l e hita to fulfil' his engagements with other 1 , w ell. His LOrdship followed tip this motion iy,,aaother to anthorise him to hring in a-13111 to 7 443 e the ism e of that prt of the pap • r corrency e NI, the use of the Allied Powers, which was to be l'i;hitauteett by Great Britian. U 11•, CAN NlNu..—Havint , unfortunately not been 0 11'.ieut when the . speech of his Royal Highness the Pritiee Regent called forth the most geoeral r t e of support from the House; he was fi TotO to take the present opportunity of express ..', as strongly as it was possible for hip) to "Press, his entire concurrence, not only in those rlellil assuran,es of support, hut also his sincere iciaktion to !flake gobei those engagements which l, 1tel) kl , ited to the House by tnis Noble Lord ; x to h's approbatio n of the way in . which the. ~i tt! ,e , Lool had proposed to grant assistance td 1 „ 11 : 1 1 , i 'll, and ut the proportions into which thia d iffe 9lity aid Was divided. If those, who at many . 04 , 1 r e'll Period s of this tremendous and long pro -11.40;'d contest, had felt it' t heir datyto call npon ~ Cmillem to retrace its steps, and depart from r , , , _'e . Y they had before the adopted, oow manfully came i os l r f I t o loin their congratolations on the alter 'su,..l"li"o of affairs, which holds forth 1.2.f!c1i blighter than ever they cOuld have boiled prospects : li r ! h nv muclimore oatural was it for those to be wt z t loos to p2in in the general congratulation, who ittt er felt such fears for the final issue of the con '. Ka" won also considered final success as the '' 46 fruit of yiaorotts and wellected exer "l'"? 'Those ' - . . ttir,. who . had viewed the affairs of tir.,, :Pe, and the past events of the war in the ti„ie.‘"lforourable light, and who had at , former 4 co uidered peace as the holy chance of se 146111•were now well justi fi ed in also' expressing I s .„ 4l,l ';ish for Peace, at a ti me that those wishes Irr.,„ in 't' iikely to meet w i th more genera l sym p a thy lii4 l '' r ecent victOri es . A t t h e same time it was s 4 I Y w llimiral, that th ose w h o h a d a l wa ys contend lo „rt plat deliv erance of Europe should not only. 4 144, 4 1 1 ' 1 'd for, but that it was likely to be 111t0r.,,r, by persevering efforts : it was highly the; ''''' those men also to,come forward upon Vie I r i . T l 'l occasion, and vindicate their share in Ofteoll(")11"1 Joy', (Hear, hear !) Those who had so 1 11 )lie; ° ) ; I ' i ' l eved peace as a matter not only of N ltel - l '.''''t 4 necessity, felt themselves now war ' IN, '" takin g a brighter . view than they had ever tos,„; (l `me of the situation and prospects of the 4 1 , it 'Y. He also thought that this- was.ati•oppor t4l.lY,!viii.ch warranted him in warmly expressing 'hi i t 4 !" ) lv felt the sincerest satisfaction at the pro, enu re , peace P e e'ee whieh the country now had, trout his . iit ' t, ' ,ll l. 4 e r r t ,.. , 4l l `' L l , e a t r i . o g n e , a t s h t a i that ' el f e e x a l c ie e n s i v li t . i t s u i l i .e ot , v v , a i s f , s t i l o le t r ‘ e v i c t ( l ) f l i t t l i d , e , . 1 1 11 \ii . " . ' l l '' kit least N t V , i v t e it e t i t i l th a t i e tr pi v .i i c e e w \ ‘.hirc.l.li!ona,zctsconl- paid, r . `' , . i t i lit h)l l , w e , re .. r, this i desirable, object, much yet l '' , Ata l- t " 4l he done He, however, by no means, ',‘ l ',"'t; 0"Y, that the boor of peace wns yet ay.._ ' . 'iki t ; l itow be had the great salisfactton of Lord ri e h l '; 41 0, at all. events, the•country was in 4 'ord .. t road to it. (Retie, hear!)--The Noble lth,,t (L ra Castlereagh) had stated to the House, I N !i lr . t's alp prospective, as well its what had fa ti ' lcady done. Ile should cheerfully vote . ed , 'e prospective part . of the plan, and wish - 14, 4 express his entire approbation of shut ),', uten done. At present lie had only to give 11, 1 0 ' 4 Probat on of what. had been performed, as . ''Noine Lord had left the discussion of what was i. ''Pective to a future clay; but when it should be 1 ' '"ght before the House, it should meet with his ,- s„ . to vatison ne s i ' , the mighty advantages which . had resulted to ;. 14,„'"olitry, and to Europe, from this emit:toll 1,- nor Could even the whole expenditure of the i tif i , l. , l 'e eousidercd too high a price for the placing 1 lia 4"l. * in the situation in which she now stood, i 111 t , 1 : ll the stone time, be thought it right .that 1 . 14,',,P'llitry sh ou ld not b e d ece ived with the mis -1 'it :Iti:notioo, th at ever y thing that could be wished i 1 til li ' l ' l4 w done. The difficulties that we had still to a 1 4,V nith should not be under-rated of di'ltlis -1 n ‘ i 'llv e , were not, even in the present situation of . cr a s '‘o coosider it as a game that was played out., f ue p r 4 111 111 that had been cast up ; but, we should fr ~, (Tared still to persevere it) those exertions o r wi , , t eFl, ,neli such great udvuotagei had been al , m i l -s . t ',' •••• • at . was imp o ssib le 1' 1 ': '14.1" 1 now to look I supposed a .: ' , it 4 : - loose periods which` many int . L---, • t 4 ttii i ,,, t fdvourable for making peace, a l 1 -t, tl la i. without re,- •• fa, t ti.s to r nog t y kl ' i t Providence, tout at temp . Itti sr , 1 :!'!5 We bad the courage to resist the i 4 tri\' 11 ,;t wee thrown in our - way , ..7--(Heat . ', it t al i'4‘4 l) When peace should now be concluded, ' . ' k i k' .„, e , 4 Peace presenting itself to us onder very $ .ittti- ,'e atures-from that w hick mightformerly a 11t,",,e0 contemplated, It would . be a peace t R i, ~ ,i lil i ttelv in the terina, or bearing ` 6 4l„ ,e ctioli : it would be a the character peace worthy of this 3 . i ;" l ll,'Y' - the glorio ts fruit of - our long exertions , il k - chil d • i . I • D' ' . uis • of Victory ; not bearing upon it the - 14 P be , : att l 6 7. , 11 - ot e ir r 'mit y, but the character of our tia ',lot as a ransom tobuy off dang .. er, li tek t i t it l '' elfeetof a great national exertion to an " it ' , iti 11„,[ivr. Ilecustorat ;dated the country that they I f i! ti n "` conipell I '' aa lt • et lt any !neuter period, to the tx ' . ~,,tra,, of %itch a peace as could then be obtained. 0 e ': l t1: le e( tl .° "Y i i t, t rrtived .le force of the country bad been tried - 1 s i 4 y, i 1 and tbsit all the projects which an 1 i i , t . a: th e re finement of • hostility, could cle . • 1 io:' had " t our military and contincrcial great- , , . als o been complet el y A. k q, A ,. tried, and had a tt Ai, i n 'ler those experiments had been so fully ' , 4 1 '1:ct 1. ' l 9y future peace with France we mig!t 0 A til k () hi I 4 a f , the true character of peace, in - t t ,. NI u „„ • tr ve "u, and" in that security which alone ; II ( . 1 th e „, however, .liii r l 'out e , ll nne of pence. We must, . ‘t 11,,4 puit , • part of bleat struggle on the _ .' l 4lll 'Y l ch it a- ii , t,„,„ could not be supposed that he i,sed - elit to relinquish. any thing be now ca .. , wi . o,t, i la wit hout using the most vehement exit iL tit 1 . clo th feno . 1 . 4 '..td lute! them. The great changes 11 ~,i,y taken place in the condi -4tkirs i kk • ' ight reasonably be e exPect" , ect . 141. elltve the- tt hit tt peace> tot not the principle. npciti which this country tees dispOsedLto make peace. That principle hoist still be to s e, cereourown national hoed* and interests wit - 1101a seeking to destroy. either the nationtd hontairo? ,our enemy, or those interests which as a notion s':e was entitled to claim, and bounsl, to defend, With reference to the vote of this night, as far: as it WAS retrospective, be should . ask, was it no thing,• that - if our hopes of peace at former periods bad been (.li9PPOinted, oor present prospects were , . now so bright? Was it nothing ,to consider not only the present sithation - Of this country, but also Of-Europe; a situation'so very different from what it lied - Neu in alnoet the whole time of ,the re collection of the Members - of that House I Was it nothing, to consider the failure of all the gigantic plans of the enemy for tire ruin of this country In the first place, he should. consider the fate of the great Continental System, by which our enemy bad hOped to destroy the commerce of this .country. The effects of that • sys tem, when first adopted; were apprehended as 'much more tremendous than the country found theta to be upon the triul..That great system u l, however, now received a blow, front which it was impossible that' it could'ever recover. It had been found that there was something so incom prosible in the nature and principle of our com merce, that it was able to resist the utmost pres sure of tyranny, and had now risen with tenfold vigour from that pressure. This grand experiment, of the Continental System, had been tried to the uttitost, and failed. It never could again be re vived. The next grand experiment was,, the great Confederation in which Bnonaparte had moulded almost all the States of Europe, so .as to make them act as satellites to France, and take whatever direction or impulse she was pleased to give. This experiment had also completely failed. It was pos sible, to be sure, (considering .the vicissitudes of war) that he might again burst forth front behind his iron frontier, nitd carry desolation in his train through some of those countries from ;Odell he had been lately driven ; but was it possible that he ever could again unite those canaries to his empire ; or make them the instraments of his future projects : was it possible, even &he should conquer those countries, that any eonfidence could in future subsist between him and his vassal states? If he were again to appear as a conqueror, be might go forth like the mighty. idol, of which SQ much bad been said last year (in the debates on the India question), crushing his victims un der his •chariot-wheels, but he would never be able again to yoke theta to his car. Was it possible that the same confidence should again existbetwcen hint and Austria,and the other great rowers I Was it no subject of rejoicing, that dur ing the pressure of this long war, the sailitary cha racter of this country had grown up to the height at which it now was ? This was, the glorious fruit which proceeded froth our' exertions in support of the Peninsula. It was that spark which first appear ed in the Peninsula, and which had been, nourished for so many years by this . cotentry, that at length burst forth into a -flame, •which had illuminated the whole 'of Europe.—(llear, hear.)—When We first , started to tine present war, we rested on one mighty column—our naval strength : but now we bad, in the progress. of this war, erected di new edlumn of .equal. strength, in our military power. Froth their rival but couseoting energies, equal but inseparable glories had been gained. We had now the satisfaction of feeling, that if ever the war should be brought to our own doors, the country, in its military power, possessed the elemenes and principles of safety for many ages to come. How different was our situation in this respect at present from what it was at the commencement of this war I Instead of trembling on our own shores at'the threats of invasion from F rance, our willies had now planted their triumphant standards on French ground, and on the 4tanks.of the Adotir. He knew there were some who condemned this ad vance into Frafice, atria conceived it to be a rash step. Without pretending to ju.lgeof it on military prin ciples, he must say, that viewing it politically, he could never regret the planting the British standards on the soil of France.. life had no fears of excit. ing-the irritability of the French nation to greater exertions by this advance of our army. Ile was wit afraid that any person in France could seriously entertain . an ,apprehension, that it was our intention to possess ourselves of any portion of the French territory ; or that it was the' seri ous intention. of the Spaniards to extend their territory, from their formidable natural barrier of the Pyrennees eo the river Adorn.. 't here fore, did not regret that a Portuguese army had now eittered s theFrench frontiers, and had in their vie* at Bayonne that - flag. which it was threatened should be displayed on the towers of Lisbon. He did not regret the circumstance of a Spanish army being now employ'ed to beleaguer the foul ram parts of that place, where all the plans of the subjugation of Spain were decided upon and. set tled, where the glory Of their Crown was tar nished,. and their diadem stolen from the lawful owner, and pocketed by an usurper. 7.1 e did not regret that,'aftcr all the threats of invesion on the part of France, with which the war began, France -now found herself invadtql by a British army,. fiediA not regret to find thatt-- ~ -----r•UttroJoacbias renisset ad tubes ea. IYardantts, tt cerpis larva crania fatis." , • He knew there were many who considered such feelings as mere delusions, but he should request them in this case to leave him his delusions; and keep thefr philosophy to themselves. It must be in the recollection of the House, that in many former periods of the war , it Joni been the practice of the enemy to inveigh against the selfishness and inte rested views of Great firitain, He. believed, thAt none of The powers'of Europe new gave credit_ to those reproathes. There was one power in the world (America) with whom_be wished for reconciliation as much as any man. If that power was now hesi tating at all in its policy, he would Wail her to compare and fairly review the conduct of the two nations, France and England, in the cou rse of this long. war. If she could look with calmness. at the conduct of our enemy (now that the sp4ll.of his invincibility was- broken), she would perceive that, wherever he went, his career was attended bytl d es t r uction of ancient nations a s.w ell as.dynastte : that his conduct had been in uniform hostilitY to .conunerce , to literature, to.the light of Jo h o nour,, and to all the fecline and scildukdua di, *Met) etintibiel Men and tiatirint and that the 630 - Se of his exertions was in the Attempt to roll back the.tle eiviiiintion and barbarize •all the nations of the world. If, 'then, she would coo shier the conduct of Great Britain through the war, and the effects likely to he produced by it, she would find in the march of GreatY Bri tain the greatest benefits springing up to aillsa , iVliere her power went forth in Europe, sliSI would not see the extinction of dynasties, or the degradation of ancient nations. On the contrary, she would be found aiding and supporting those which were falling, and raising up those which had fallen. She would trace the more generous policy of Great Britain in resuscitated Spain, in re-created Portugal, and in' the pi esent situation of Germany, which was now a nation as well as a name. If the conduct of Great Britain pod France during the present war was thus fairly compared, be thought it impossible for any na tion to doubt or hesitate to Which of them 'it would be most honourable to ally them selves, or which of them was to be consider ed the most disinterested In its objects, and the most friendly to the general interests of the world. When he considered the great ef fects which had been produced by the suppiirt which Great Britain had afforded to the exertions of the other powers of Europe, he must again say' that lie thought the expenditure, of the present year had•been amply repaid by the benefits which. it had produCed ; and that not only.the expendi ture of the present year, but the whole expendi ture of the war would have been cheaply lavished to obtain such important and glorious results.-,- With respect to the mode which had been pro posed for granting those subsidies, it had his most entire approbation ; and was sanguine enough to hope, that if they were employed in the manoer proposed by his Majesty's Ministers, they would nit only be the Means of. further Successes, but that even in an economical point of slew, they would place as little burthen on the country as could be done'consistent with those exertions that we were bound to mnke for our Allies. He thought that this mode of mixing our cre(tit with that of our Allies, was the best means of making them both as efficacious as seas possible. 'There was one of 'those subsidiary treaties on which he felt himself bound to make a few observations,--- , When the subsidiary treaty with Sweeten was laid before the House last session, there were souse parts of it to which he, as well as maily other Mem bers, had objected. To that part particular, win re a valuable island was ceded to Sweden, he thought it then possible, that by the treaty Swe den might be entitled to that cession, eVell al though the continental: war should ,have finished before its troops could come. into the field to take any share in it. As to the money given to Sweden, he bad no objection to that part of the treaty; and as to the part to which lie had objected, that ob jectioo had been `over-ruled by a very consider able majority in Parliament ; and therefore, wliat 7 evir might he his, individual opinion about the original policy of that part of the treaty; it was 110 W clear that the engagements entered into, then with Sweden must b e adhered to. The hope's of Europe were now placed on a high situa‘ tion, and no danger could be apprehended, but in the possibility of the efforts of any of the con federacy being foimd ‘t , anting. We were placeil on gratifying, and on auspicious grounds, since the union of the great Continental Powers hail taken place. lie sincerely misted that no want of cordiality would again occur, to open views to the artifices of the enemy, Next to the,feeling with which -he was impressed by the vote he should give to make Great Britain the • very soul and pride of this great alliance against the com mon enemy of Europe,—next to that would be, not merely the regret, -bet the indignation which he should feel at any one member of the confede racy who should, before this great struggle-for the independence of Europe and the world was brought to an end, - desert its legitimate objects, by the conclusion of a separate pence. But he believed, and trusted, there was no such danger. When be mentioned it, be did so an d without suspicion. But' without surmise , it was right and fitting, that while foreign na tions were looking to the deliberations and de cisions 9f the British Parliament, they should see that we were acting a great part., in the confi dence that they were determioed . td act up to the great crisis upon which depended the recovery, and the permanence of the liberties of Europe. This, at least, we had a right to expect. ,When we looked at what the enemy was doing, we found him not only calling on the people of France. for the means necessary for their own preservation, but for the means necessary for the cootinuance of his mturpations and conquests over mankind. lie evenluid it.down, as one ground, on-which to call forth the resources of France, that he should be perplexed a-al agitated to - be left sitting on a, degraded thrime, and under a' crown void of glory. lie had even ventured to state that,.as.a motive why the people of France should contimictoshed their blood. The language or poetry bad been 'considered the language of nature. The Empress of France, most probably, was not conscious, when she delivered the speech of Buonaparte from his throne, of the sentiments of that speech which oor great • epic poet had put into The mouth of the first rebel and usurper. Sa tan said, speaking of those who ruffered from his ambition and his promises— Ay one, they little know " How dearly t abide that boast so vain, " Under what torments inwardly I groan, " While they adore me on the throne of Hell." But the personal glory, as it was called, of Bun naparte, and the'inaintenance of his usurpations, formed the policy on which it was thought fit to call on France to make her sacrifices of treasure rand of blood. Great Britain ought to conduct herself us the provident guardian of the liberty of Europe, and the disinterested spectatress of the blessings she had been, under Providence, the in strument of restoring. • Sir G. ilepancoTe said, that the Continent had neter made such exertion as during the last Om yeah, when she was without large, aids from thiS country :• and for this plain rpason,' that they smarted under oppression and tyranny, which had provoked general resistance without British gold. If thlit spirit continued it would do more than hundreds ‘ of rnillions,of subsidies.. Surely the Pe ninsula offered au simple field for our owoocrtions, rof - tirt tt/ttifilpit to flthetS. Sortie tbatilitt ditit from the sinhiug fond and•the paper sytetn3 might loans to any. extent, while Ave reserV4 a part, or toot from sonic other fund tO supply deficiencies 3 but ,this Was faliacious.---4 `The present.-trretraure. came from the fei'..lata mendatimis ,in the Regent's speech, which hi! praised. Ant t its . ooileration and liberality, attic) which, he. hoped,.lo - dil be acted upon withot,t insincerity. Ile hoped ,that Ministers , would tion their subordinate agents in the public priori, lest their violent language should lead to the sus. picion, that they, privately discouraged what they publicly avowed. Recollect former campaigns. in 1799, Austria and Russia were successful, every where,exeept undericorsakow intiwitzerland. Italy, and Germany to the Rhine %Vete freed : b u t what f,l , lowed ? The victories of liolienlinden and Yiartmgd reversed the whole, and laid Austtia prostrate.-- There could be no faith in the small states, whet must go alternately with the concocting parties. Some thought France done for': but if on every SUCCCSS, delliandi were rilbed, there seemed no cud to the war. We were now on a proud eminence, and ought to make tip our minds, in conjunction with our Allies, on proper terms of peace, and abide by them: He was surprised to see, in a re cent puhlication, a proclamation from Lou's XVIII. which, oil its former publication, was not avowed by! Government ; but which was a docu ment that he did not approve of at the present moment, however he lamented the misfortunes of the illustrious.tamily. If peace were to rest on • the question of the restoration of the Bourbons, it would be impossible to foresee the period of its - return. If he militated against the feelings of the House in his observations, he was sorry, but he only did his duty fairly and conscientiously. Mr. Wm TBREAD intended to say but a few words. The declawatory harangue of the lion. Gent. (Mr. Canning) should not induce him to touch on many topics. He maintained his conviction of his forma opinions as much as that 1-lon. Gent. did of his ; and more particularly of those he expressed when that Hon. Gentleman had a leading share in aye Government of the country. He should merely say, that he never was disposed to recommend measures of humiliation, or to sue for peace from France; but that he often shiv tleit opportunities of negociating were not taken advantage of, and `thought that no indisposition existed to dealing. fairly. lie was quite, as confident as any man could be of • that which could not positively be proved ; namely, that the policy recommended by Mr: Fox, would have prevented many of the dreadful. evils which had occurred, and which still existed : and he believed, that had it been pursued, ,we ,should not now have had such large subsidies to grant to create a great effort for terminating the war.. Put the I-lon. Gentleman- had touched- on some other topics, such as the peculiar feeling and exquisite s ensibilities of some persons respecting the situa tion of Lord Wellington and his army in the ter ritory ,of France ; but be (Mr. Whitbread) Vail never heard from.any one. lainentaritins . On such a subject. Those who did not anticipate Lind ,lington's victorious entry into Frahce, as it appear ed the Hon. Gentleman did; rtioiced, he was sure, and he for one should Say he did, quite as sincere, ly as the Hon. Gentleman could. He rejoiced, that in the events of the war t ' twat great Com mander had arisen tO achieve those great deeds which redounded an much to his glory. There was something rather overweening in the Ho nourable Gentkinan'S talking, in his declama tory speech, of the wisdom of bur- cooncils, and the splendour of our exertions, having produc ed these great events, He should recollect, and Ministers should recollect, and the'Allied Govern ments should recollect., and it would serve some what to moderate the exulting tones of triumph, that Buonaparte's inordinate and extravagant ambition., poshed.almost to madness, had been the great cause of the destruction of the twenty's forces. The Go vernment n? Great Britain, by its errors, made . Buil naparte—Boonaparte, by ambition, had tindons' himself. *By his eager pursuit of his anti-coMmer cial system, he had pushed his objects to-so thin germ's an extent as to isivolve the ruin of his armies. In his wild schemes, in one instance, it bad been by the more direct agency of Heaven, that he had reduced himself, happily- for other nations, to the situation in which lie now stood. NVhea the Honourable'Gentleman talked so pont, ponsly of coalitions a general way, be should look at former ones, and compare their orighs with the present, and mark their distinctions.--- Formerly coalitions were commenced by our offers of great sobsidieS. Now the three great powers had coalesced - first, and we were called on sithse-: quently to aid them bygrants,which, as he thought, were prudently supplied by Ministers, in the view, be believed, of the legitimate purpose of will', an honourable secure peace. 'The Noble Lord (Castle reagh,) had alluded to his mentioning the words " &Mid ' Of peace," on 11 former night. Perhaps he might have been more correct, had he spoken of the principle of a treaty of peace, being the same as during the Armistice ; and he hoped now, that there was some well-It / mown And understoo.l principle of this nature among all the Allies. ire did not Mean to ask for it : but he hoped it was well understood, for if it was not so, lie should apprehend some new disaster. Sonic power might make, as formerly. a separate petce On favourable terms being offered her by France. Now , it was of importance to mark why the Allied Powers had beaten Buonaparte: It because the people had suffered severely uudor the oppressive rule of Buonaparte;• hence th had urged on their governments to the war aptiost him :.ire should take warning by that. . gke at tempt were made even to push Itiamtipurte too far o they might find the question so plop(' as:10 the energies of 1792 in Trance, which might ulti mately lead,to the overthrow of what the Mlles h rl done, and to the renewal of his conquests. To tit,: particular stints to be voted, he had no ohjec. tion to make. Differing tis be did„ tally, from the Government, on many impo7tant subjects ; yet believing them willing to 'prest ere: the honours of all thehellieercuts, agi . L! , l to giving them all the men and money that were necessary for their object, He retained foes tner opinions respecting the views upon N orwa y they always excited in {rim honor and ). hot that matter was now past and gone. We knew now what Sweden had done; and whit Auts• tria and Pru4sia had done, and we knew whn.l