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P I WP Mk- ~~ Tern soy mere with the diet of the people, but leave them to their own mode of liviisg.--(Much laughter.)—There was nothing in the Petition wluch any honest man could refuse to support; 'but the question was, how many hooest mess were io the House? He feared if the calculation were made, it would (with few exceptions) be like au teeheq der return--a However w.ttlif'etil become them to i., and - lee could aware them that in all times esd is all place. he ebould be most waits% to tiesuazikit.asettietort a-4(leers.) • NlctioLeoe then presented himself et the - from of the hustler and tested, that he had a roe solution to move., which was, that their worthy Representatives should be instructed to move for the repeal of the window tax, and the taxes en salt, seep, candles, and leathers trod that they should be also instructed to have the Pension List reduced. lie then read several names from the red book of persons holding pensions, which he contended they ware not entitled to; amongst others he stated that of the Ihrowees Abererotuby and her daughter, and that to Mr. Ceouiteg's mother and sister. What he wished wee. that their Representatives would, to their place in the Howie of Committee, go through the book be held in his hand, item by item. Mr. flume had done much, bat it was impossible be timid do every thing. The harvest was great, though the labourers were but few. Ministers had told there,,when they had been asked to repeal the team. that it would uot be Inutile's' to the people. Ile would tell them .that the repeal of .the window lax would do good. as is bore hard en the trades. Juan and shopkeeper. far one of them paid- more tossed, it thus the Min gnus of Loudonderry. All tie wanted was, that their Representatives would go through the whole Pension . List, and that they should commroce that night. Nat that lie ex. pected they would be able. by say efforts of theirs, to reduce the amount of the money Ito improperly squandered; for he wet not fool reough to sop. pate that one huudied pensioned Members of the House of Commons would vote against their own Lemma. He visa, however, certain of gond aritei lug out of the discussion, for by its publication 1% would make every man of common sense a res teenier, and whenever th.t came to be the case, Londonderry might go about Ins baseness. • • • . The Resolution was not, put at this time, at so: count slits not, brow seconded.. The Resolution voting the thanks of the meeting to Mt. Hume wee then carried unanimously, cud the Won. Gentleman. was loudly called for. Mr. Huts wid e he returned them thanks for their kied expresaious• towards him, and fur their opinion of his exertions in the House of ConSincoit. He put a treat value on the approbation of the electors of Westruithirev, for they had always come • /wised in the evade of freedom. He would go: at fares any man to gain e Refoini in the House of lememotas, for amid that did take place he did not believe easels from hesero, were they called down to take the reins o, goverionent, could conduct them otherwise than by correption. The time was se length arrived when something must be done, and ether meanies adopted', for the people at large were oo longer to he deceived.--(Loud applause.)- 11iv humble turmoils sn trying to bang shoot roomer). in the tuanagetnent of public affairs, if it had no usher effect it would assist the great cause of reform. What he was endeavouring to do was to bring beck the public expenditure to what It had been in 1792. It Iced grown op to its pre sent enormous amount by the great contest they had been Coined in ; whether they approved of the origiu of that contest or not they now all felt the effects of it ; but it was the duty of every man to bring buck the expenditure tea wholesome state, and his exertions in Parliament never were intended for tiny other purpose, as they went no further. The public expenditure had been increased in the lest seven years from n millions to 96 millions.— (Cries of , 4 We know it !")--If people suffered in their landed iettereda they were trot tu be pitied. for the distress had been brought on by the land unarm who passed the S , it Acts. Those were the 'eery moo who now called upon the people (whom they had enslaved) to support them in ohismieg relief. This was but u just retribution on all who disregarded the rights of their fellow-subjects ; men who acted from selfishness, regardless of those Honourable feelings which should dictate the good of their fellow-subject.. He was nut one of those persons who would rave against all pension.; in many instances, although they bore the name of pension, they were only the payment of a just debt. He was sorry that the Gentleman who had preceded him had alluded to the pension which had been granted to the Baroness Abeecromhy and her children ; her husband. Sir Ralph Abercromby. died fighting the battles of his country, and he was conviuced that every cots endemic Englishman would be of (million that Ins family were entitled to reward for his services. It was right the public should he made acquainted with this fact; it was mischievous person* makitig assertions that were not built in •othruity, as it west to hurt what all were ausious feeo-ecoemisx. Let the rotten boroughs be what they would, or bow represented, if Ministers acted honestly they would have economy; but sleet they could not ex pect troll.* the present Minister*, at they had gone ems for 30 years. assisted by majorities, in managing the affairs of the country so as to produce rule instead of prosperity.—(Loud cheers.) Mr. GARDINER then Meercl the thanks of the meeting to the Ilots. H. G. Bennett, M. %frill,. E•q. S. M. Barrett. Esq. F. Palmer. Esq. C. Whitbread, Esq. 'N. P. Honyouted, Esq. end . Charles Shan Lettere. 31.P.'s, who were peewit. for their independent conduct in the House of Commons, winch were carried unanimontly. Mr. BaNNRTT returned them thanks for the kind armistice Ins name had been mentioned and re ceived. They had now met when general disiress prevailed. They were never asked to share in the feasts which caused that distress, but they were now called no to pay for them. He would tint pay the bill if he could avoid it. Nothing but force would compel him to do so. The Honourable Gentleman then alluded to the two Bills which hod passed only teen days before for allayiug the ilitcouteuts in Ireland; he described the stature of them, and contended that they gave power to the Magistrates which they tight never to be in. ousted with. He bed been always a friend to Helots, es be considered it tree the Nay means that could satisfy the proper complaints of the people. Mr. S. C. WaiTnitEaer returned his thanks to the meeting for the high honour they had done him. He assured them be would use his best exer tions for them to obtain their rights. which they could not obtain without Prrliamentrry Reform. Hs would stand by them in the great reuse they hid Midertaken, and go hand in hand with thew until they had obtained it, and he was in great ex ,pectetieu their labour would cot be of great dors tioo. for every minute diminished the value of Old Sum, and if they only persevered, it ,eiould be come of no value at till. Mr. WirVii.t., bI.P. said he was happy to have that opportunity of giving Impaupport to the elec. tors of Westminster, particularly su as be had the honour of representing • city similarly situated as to their elective rights. It was not to be expected that the House of Commons, as it was nor formed, would come to a vote to lessen the expenditure of the country, when so many of those who formed it partook of the expenditure. It could he only dune by the people, in bring determined that the House should reform itself. Mr. How xwoon, M.P. was happy in the oppor tunity they had given bin of addressing them that day, particularly so, as the chief of his consti tuents agreed with them in ►entiments. fie had always been e zealous sdvocate for a Reform in Par !tamest, and he would continue so uuttl that great object was obtsiued. Mr. Nictioison's Resolution was then put by the High Bailiff, and it having beeo seconded, as we understood, by a Mr. GLAZIER, it was carried unanimously. • Mr. Sruaca moved the thanks of the meeting to Sir Francis Burdett and Mr. Rohhouse, for their exertions in the cause of Reform, which► were ' carried unanimously, amidst loud cheers. Sir FRANCIS BURDETT thanked them for the honour they had done bun, sod assured them he would always lend his aid to recover the constitu . twilit, rights of the people. A Resolution which had passed requesting hint to use hiss exertions in obtaining the repeal of certain taxes, as it had been agreed to by the meeting, he would certaitily con sider it as their instructions to him. and raise his voice iu it. support; hut he was certain it would not be attended to. mthey directed him to go to the top of St. Paul's, if it was for their benefit he would attempt it ; but it would be with the same hopes of success as if he was to try to get • reduc tion in the taxes to he made by the House of Com mons as it was now cousitiuttd. With these feel ings he could out give 'hem any hopes of success. before lie took his leave, he could not avoid C 011.• gratuisting them on the turpitude of the meeting, and the manner in which their public feeling had been displayed. He assured them that he would have the honour of presenting their Petition to the Hodge of Commons the day after to-morrow. — (Loud cheers.) Mr: Houtiouse also returned thanks, and con• gratilated them on the respectability of the meet ing, and the manner they had expressed their feel ing as lo she re•olutiou which they had sanctioned for the repeal of certain taxes; he would prove to them the'next lime they met, that be would always obey their instructions. The HIGH BAILIFF then returned thanks for their appoubation of hi■ conduct. The meeting dissolved at si quarter before four o'clock. IMPERIAL PAICLIAMENT. HOUSE OP LORDS, Wsomusui, FISILUART 13. Their Lordship* met at leo o'clock is the mo►oiog. APPEALS. MAcDowat.D Appellant, RON Respondent. This was an appeal Gum the demon of the Jury Court, Scotland. Serjeatit Bosanquet and Mr. Denman were heard for the Appellant, and the Attorney...Cl 1 mad Mr. Adam for the Respondent —Judgment postponed ?lie Representatives of the late Sir HEXILY Vaur Tim risT, Baronet, Appellants; HORTON and others Re spondents. This was ■n appeal from the decision of the Court of Cbeiteery, Ireland. The Judge. attended. Mr. Hod was heard for the Appellants, and the Attorney- General for She Respondents.—Judgmrni postponed. The Marquis of BATH presented a Petition from the Free hokiers, Owners, and Occupiers of Land in the Yale of Taun ton, complau 00000 g of agricultural distress, and praying for relief.—Bead, and laid en the tsble.—Adjuurned. I ■ HOUSE OF COMMONS, WKDIIZSDAT, Faint:Any 13. Lord LOWTHER presented a Petition from the pens ' piers of Land it. Kirkby Lottsdale, complatoisig of sgricul. mural distress—Rs-6d, and laid on the A number of Petitions, of a private nature, were preisentsd sod termed to Committees. General GASCUYNE brought in two Billy one for en duiring,ond building a new church, the other for establishing a ash market in the boat. of Liverpool—which were seve rally read a first time. Several new Members took the oaths, among whom we observed Messrs. Fremantle and Peel. AGRICULTURAL DISTRESS. Sir E. KNATCHRULL pseaented • Petition Sala Ilse Os urns and Occupiers of Land in its• Eastern Division of the County of Keut, stating the distresses of agriculture, ansrpraying relief. A 'similar Petition nas then presented . by the same Member; from the Westin. Division of the same Cuuuty.—Read, laid on the table, sod ordered to be rimed. Pstitions to the same effect were presented from Henley. on-Themes ; from several Occupiers of land So the County of Gloucester, by Sir W. GUISE ; and from place* in the vicinity of Norwich—which sere read, and laid on the table. Mr. CURTEIS, in presenting a similar Petition from the several Owners and Occupies. of Land io the County of Susses, took occasion to make a widely of observations on the contents of it, and on the subject generally. The Yeti. I butters had last year, sod on other occasions, applied fur re dress of their 'suffering. to the House, and were told in reply that the only remedy for their case was tune and patience. Bet lime sod patience had dune nothing but producing so aegravatiou of their sufferings, and an e•acerbation of their • feeling.. He 'lieu adverted to the principles of Mr. Hall, , some of which he declared to be sounder and more British than those of the Aviculturist Committee of last Session. 111 r. ELI.IS could out ell silent and hear methods meow,- . mended for relieving the distress of sgricultore, which bad bees condemned by the must cologbtened Mem bers of the HYMN, and at many oldie cossoty smetsugs which had been held on the sohject. He had nu doubt hot that the Hon. • Member (Mr. Cortex) lad espremsd the scolowseuts of his ronstitunsts ; but hr had heard that opinsuus very different indeed from his bad been advanced at • comely tweeting for Some=—that it was not by endeavouring tontine the prices of produce ' agriculture was to be relieved, list by mammy, practises, in the greatest pansible degree, sad by every pear terrible relaxation of the Warders* Imposed *pea the cosatry. He charselorlse4 the thonflals of Mr. Webby 11.11 es ret series, twine of epinioe that prices could sever be raised to what they were duel*, she war. Mr. WODEHOUSE expressed his regret that the Ett•• I Member should have professed himself a disciple of Mr. ! Webbe Hall, the rather because be feared that if How. Gen tlemen adhered to such doctrines, the gamine :night never he takes up in that eeriest spirit by this House which he hoped it was on the papist of being. Mr. HUME thought that the Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Cur. Leis, we noderstood) complained to the Howie with • very bad trace. He hail said that the Petitioners had applied for years to the Hams without Alibiing any thing but words; bet be (Mr. Hume) celled upon him testate a single instance is which be bad dose that by which only evlsef could be eltl.sided, he challenged him so meson see is• stance itt •hich he had supported lb* retreecksoeut plie pcs•ed. He employed, however, that be woe henceforth Is place the Hon. Gitelman alarms the eerromenteal Reformers. The Petite. was these brought op, read, laid es the table, aid ordered to be fruited. Alderman WOOL presented a Petltiew from an individual in Ireland, praying abet espies of as informants, tried against Wm In sleet coast ry , aodeertaie aurespoodeace us the subject might be delivered so him by order of the House. It Os; eumplaieed of metals issedships to whirls be was subjected in the prosecution of the proceedings ageism him. The Worthy Alderman added, has as the Hos. Gemkesee opposite were at present gritted with so Oren • It of ecosuety, he should not at present ONO INN the printing of it, but merely that it be brought •p. Mr. PEEL said, that be believed be was Secretory to the Lord Lieutessat of !reined at the time of the transactions adverted to Is the Petition, but be did not recollect them; probably be had ewer baud of them before; bet he had .no objection what're, eo the course proposed by the Homer. able Alderman d hsiagias up the Petitiva, aid pestresing the priatiog aril. The Petition having bees the. beloved up and read.— Mr. PEEL immediately rose and seed, that he sow mot. Wird site ease a( the Pethieser, sad that the eireum. 'tutees of the ease were quite Notorious. He certainly had inquired into it, sod he could further say, without say heti la time, the Peiltio• cootateed grass Neehoeds. It was thee laid oil the table. ORPHAN FUND, ke. Sir W. CURTIS moved for certain papers on t►e dove subject, whirls wens ordered. Mr. HEATHCOTE snored for certain retinue relative to the quantities of grabs viarehoosid during the lut fea►r— Ordered. Mr. MARERLY awned for returns of the quantities of heap, Sax, sad pun Imported into England iron furtive soutstriee dories Suslont year.—Ordered. Mere of the expenses alteadiag the Teedea *AA 'Also, a tesslisamt/oa of a return of last year, ionise the member of elliewis en half.pay In Great nfilSill aid Ireland nu the iltb of January, 11122, together with the charge of the same to the eoustry —Ordered. Also, a matisestion of • return of last year, slating the member of gentlemen appoioted to first comminions in regi. mews of Cavalry and infanliy of the liue, and the asst. bee of promotions from Euaigna and Cornets to Cubans, is. elusively, from loth Jaaaary, 1811, to Silt January, 1861— which, after an observation of General (incase, that did mat reach us, was ordered. Mr. HUM E that moved far • return of all public servants is every departesest of in service who had become default ers since the year 1618, specif)ing the different &pertness., the assoust of deficieoeies, wheu ascertained, sad the sea. suns taken to teener the saute—which, after a few words from the same Hos. Member, was ordered. Mr. HUME thew moved that an humble Address be pre sented to his Majesty, praying that his Majesty will be pleased to glee directions that a return be made to the House of the total establishment of the Mint fur the year 18111, stating the salaries, fees sad allowances, and house. rest (irony) granted to each iudividual in theoremic. HAWKERS, ke. Al the request sf Me. LUSHINGTON, Mr. HUNK Postponed his motion relative to Harkiirs, Pedigo% sod H whitey Ceachem, till this day fortnight. The Sixth Report respecting Public Charities .0 lain on the table. Mr. DAWSON breoght up returns free Hie Howe Oaks respecting fetus. ender senteoce of transportatiois—Leid u. the table. OPENING OF LETTERS. _ _ Mr. 11045 stated, that he had never understood the Post-office lied a power of stopping the com plaints of individuals mode to Members of Parlia ment; but he had recently received • letter from a prisoner in the hulks, which bad been opened in its way, being marked "opened" by the luspector. Mr. Pact. believed that complaints made by individuals to Members of Parliament, by leiter, invariably reached them, though the letters were sometimes operred as this had been under these cir cumstances:—There wee • regulation 'hive the first establishment of the hulks, that persons con fined there had trot the power of writing to any one without the Government beiag able to ascertain to whom. This regulation bad been framed under the authority of an Act of Parliament, and under that had the leiter respecting which the address lied been made by the Hon. Gentleman been opened. If there was to be a regulation at all, he did not see how it could be acted on without being general. If a Member of Parliatuent were ex ceptede he might be accessary to committing ass offence against the Act, because • letter might be addressed to hitn,arid conisiu within it a sealed let. ter fur another. He could sieure the House, that in consequence of the regulation, the escape of convicts had been repeatedly prevented. A cir cumstance of that nature had occurred so late ■s April last, when, in consequence of • letter from a convict being opened, it was found that the escape of three convicts was planned, arid on examination three bars had been removed for the purpose. He could appeal to the very letter in question for proof of his proposition; fur since the letter had been ad dressed to the iimesurable Member, the writer had been detected its a fraud, and that detection lied taken plate in consequence of the information which it conveyed. lie believed the man's name was Jones, and be only %petitioned the feet its or der to slew the beneficial ethet of the regu lations. Mr. HUME said, that Sunday week be had heard the conduct of the individual highly ap plauded, and therefore he wished to kiww when this detect had taken place. Mr. Past replied that he was not certain of the time, but it was very probably since the day men tioned. Mr. BENNETT said that what he principally com plained of in this case wise, the stoppage of letters to Members of Parliament. Mr. Bennett then read an rainier of a letter, dating (according to our un derstanding of it) 1114 there was no authority to opera letter, addressed from persons co n fi ne d i n p it . sons to Members of Pre litnneto. He and his Friend (Mr. Humr, we Lelievr) had made it a poem to go to the hulks. and had there meertaiued that the complaint was f.l.e. But he had the of ) e )) ion of the Noble Lord bate at the head of the Hume be. pairtimout. that the Post Office was not bnrue out by law in the practice now under consideration. After a remark from Mr. PEEL, the tenor of which we could •ot collect-- Alr. JAIME stated, that he bad ONCE addressed • fetter to ti person in a gaol. ctinVicted or a mi-tiee meaner, under a cover. to the gaoler, requesting bun not to open the one enclosed ; but that lie had written an answer to him, acynaiiiiing him that he had opened it, conceiving it to be his doty. Mr. BROUGHAM was compelled to toter his peo. test, without any delay, against the doctrine that • letter addressed to u Member of Parliament could be oprued by any officer tinder Government whatever. Were were their privileges If such acts as were permitted, they had no existence. Hr had no hesitation iu saying, the privilege of receiving his letters unripened was as math a privilege of a Member of Parliament as the freedom of bib person from arrest. Mr. DAWSON said a few word., not audible in the gallery ; after which, the order for going into it Committee of 'Supply, on the motion for which toe conversation took its rise, was postponed. Mr. JANE. gave erotiie that he would to-morrow week submit a motiou on the subject of opening letters. SIR ROBERT WILSON'S DISMISSAL. Sir Rosette WlLsou then rose to bring froward the motion of which lie had given notice. If the object of his motion were limited to matter of a personal and private nature; if his own clairecter in this case w. re alone concerned—deeply as lie felt himself outraged and aggrievedeestill, under various considerstioule he would haviebeensiisposied to submit in 'deuce; but knowing. m he did, that the question involved others of most serious im port to the public interest, that it touched sloe in• arrests and the rights of the people of Englirud— (Cheers)—he would have felt IJ I JJJ self highly cul pable —lie would have considered himself gitilty of a gross dereliction of public duty, had he not brought the case under taw consideration of Perlis ment.—(Clieers.)—Arduous us was the duty im posed on him—and truly did he feel it to be most arduous and painful—still he cuufessed that this was one of the happiest moments of his life ; because the time was now arrived in which, io the face of Parliament, of his country, and therefore of Europe, Ise could redeem the pledge which he had given, control,' his accusers, analyse the charges made monist him. and thus secure and confirm that generous and honourable interest which had been raised for hint in the public nand.—(Hear, hear.) He was sure he need Dot ask for the indulgence of the House of Curumous—he was sure it would be granted to a man in his circumstances with that courtesy which characterised u British House of Commons. At the time when he had given uotice of a motion for these papers, he bad Naked the Noble Lord (Lonitouderry) whether he would con sent to the production of them, and the answer of the Noble Lord left him no alternative but to bring the whole of the case before Parliament. He did hope that the Noble Lord sod his colleagues would ha►e pursued a different course, that they would have abandoned their most ungenerous, most cruel, mod most unjust silence—(Hear) — that though they had hither►o shrunk from encoun tering itiquily, and from meowing the grounds of the course which they had advised the Executive to adopt, yet lie had thought that they would seize the first opportunity offered by the assembling of Parliameot, and afford him (Sir R. Wilson) an op portunity of grappling with some substantial charge.—(Cheer►.)—He had besides hoped, that though those of Ilia Majesty's Ministers who had recommended the measures of which he complained, would not he inclined to do him this justice, yet that when certain gentlemen had joined the Admi nistration, who had professed to stet under the coun sel of a Noble Baron in the other Honse of Par liament (Lord Grenville, we presume), they would have recollected and acted oii the language lately held by that Noble Baron, when he expressed a hope that he should never see the day when his Majesty's Ministers would suppress evidence which might be necessary for the redress or justilicatiois of any individual.—(year, hear.)—Never h a d l ie expected that in England—that in this sanctuary of justice—he should be compelled to come here to solicit his accusers for the knowledge of the fact imputed to him—of that fact fur which be had been arraigned by niiineless accusers. and condemned by a clandestine process. It was not his intention at present to inquire into the constitu tional right of the Crown to dismiss officers at its pleasure. He should not go into this part of the question now. lest it might cause a division of opi nion on what he was most anxious to establish. But at a future time he would she* that the exercise of the prerogative in his case was a violation of the Constitution, and in opposition to part of that mili tary law which was enacted annually. He would reserve to himself the right of shewing on &mother occasion that the right contended for was isicomp,- tilde with the honour and the interests of the army, stud irreconcilable with the safety and liberty of the country—that it disqualified officers from sitting in Parliament, and this excluded from the. army men who were so necessary to its proper frame, as Mem bers id Ilsiliaitient--that it disqualified them from sitting as Members of Courts Martial—bat, above all. that it disqualified them from cheetterg‘ng those paramount duties which they owed to their country—(Heat)—that it was adverse to every good purpose, sod favourable to every bad one—that the prerogative was never used arbitrarily without prejudice to the individual and injury to the public. The question' he was now mooting, which he now proposed, could not he considered as trench ing in any way on the prerogative of the Crown; because he believed (at least lie trusted that his confidence was not misplaced) that there was no man in this House who would maintain that this prerogative or any other could be exercised by the Crown, but through the advice of responsible agetits.—(Hear, hear.)—.He knew the time had been when the maxim had been held that a .Deo lies, a rage lea. He knew that there were once judges on the bench who had pronounced it to be the law of Eugland, that penal laws were not made to restrain the power of the King, but rather tn. larged it—that a power to punish belonged to the C►owu, because it had the right to paisluie Ile knew that there was a king who had said, that as it was blasphemy to question or dispute the decrees of Providence, so was it blasphemy to dispute the commands of a king. But the Revolution of 16811 had taught ministere, judges, and kings, that kings had no power of doing wrong ; that if they hod such a power, it would, by using. break in their bauds; that wrong could only be done by the 'WWI unlike . ' or .wirtged enamellers MIA mininers, that they were resownsible for it, and might eshed. Bust belle? proceeding to the Y i fl re which he would niobii.h, esteemed the prerogativ e t owar d, him to the ,11 tailored of public right, he Iserrged the llon• to consider who the inalimileal Owe treat them. earl el. at metsssev of grace lie 'aught w their hands. First of ell, he ores an officer of tesni t nun? years 'tending id the setlece, steo. thist l e, C, should adduce no proof of hi. ewe services, , h . the testimony of the Cominander.iii•Chief tl nt ;,, saes worths of that Imewitrable station to soh s it ; had aspired. Also, he was s Member of Father', who had felt it his duty most ca schist to rippooe the present klinister4, bet-soa r l ot k ,; breed that their principles mod plaierdin g s h a , been contrary to the honour, the welfare, atil tef liberty of the nation ; because he es neeieed thei 11 0,11(7 opposed to the prowess, of liberal otoiniott and to the freedom not only of their own (*Haw hut of moilskiud, they lied nn other spy , p e th., l , 4 to render that officer powerless. Did there net ells . pour some mot hid resentment. some rnalig.;sit., powerful feeling in their motels?—(Hear, beie.i— rti?shtiosyroe°ell'irwilehyhhisadd d pro f t a te it r h ty l3 l7e l e l m vi C i o 6 u t fi t s d ra t i u sid L and mere was a greet misconception on this pain , T:ie Honourable Member here read au extract se, circular letter from the Cuitimander-insChiel in tin year 1814, importing that such Generale at wet. Colonels of regiments, should have the option retiring, by disposing of their commissions for thi price 'Assisi to unattached commissions. T;,„ why, he would ask. had his Majesty's Milliner. in flicted on this officer the punishment of degrade Lion ? He would contend that it was a punishment and • most severe one—it was placed iu the Mu. tiny Act next to death. Was it iu tile hop, that, milder the influence of pecuniary emboli rastinents, he would resign his scut in Pirlia u s ei a and, perhaps, take refuge in • foreign country : Herr was r view of the case not quite so important. to which he yet requested the attention o f House. It was well known, it was quite notorious that it had pleased Providence to •ffilict more than one member of his family with the most dreadfu, calamities. It was known that these had on former occasions excited the most benevolent feeling. is the mind of the King. But when people sew that the Ministers prevailed on the King to make war or all the domestic comforts of en individual, there was but one opiuion, that it was some helm, crime he had committed, compared with whiet his punishment •was a measure of lenity. Nos he should state that which he knew to be fart that officers of rauk, not enemies to him, merest blindly attached to his Majesty's Ministers, as to eased that they were confident his removal week not have taken place without some misconduct w gross, that, if a trial had taken place, a worse cala mity would have befallen him, and the Journals under the iufluence of Goverimient constantly held the same language—there was not s day *tweets he was not exposed to a label in some of them, be t:stun., said they, there is the fact that so officer ce his rank has been dismissed from the series With. out inquiry, and therefore the iuference was fair and reasonable, that he must have been demi«. ed because he hoe drgroded himself, and mestere: himself unworthy of the rank which he beet. 44 Will," continued Sir Robert Wittier, " his Mll jesty's Ministers persevere in this course to tut?— will they act so to me ohs tailed ia mi way battles lee the good of my country ?—will they refuse that justice to me which is due to ilk meanest artisan in the empire ? If they wig, I call upon this I 4 sore, as Griotteinen—as Member. of Pediment—as Eaglislouseref—to deal by Neu. they would for themselves, lot their sons, fit their relatives or friends." If he had hada trill. he would !mire hod an honourable *cgs sue ; if he were guilty, the army had a right to kuow ha offence.—(Hear.)— They had a right to know the nature and charucter of it—that might operate as a lesson of warnoug.. Whet was the benefit of uli punishment I—example. But what benefit was there in a punishment which studiously concealed the offence? Thus was no justice at fill :it was be more justice than Ofe dark mysterious prueerdingf of the Inquisition. Even the Turk, when he took rill the head of a slave, condescended to affix a label in his breast descriptive of his offence; and was lie to he . deprived of a similar privilege ? If so, lie could only look 011 it us a precursor of a [flattery government , i For f the Hou-e would agree that thus ures ponsibie power of punishment should be enuexed to the power of pardon, it would enable the Sovereign to trust lute all the glorious rights of the Constitution, sod the mighty exerriuus of our ancestors. lie bar' done every thing possible to keep this iu au office donned, till he had been refused access to the Throue ; he had enut reined from the Home Office till he knew • that perjury would be protected by the rules of offiee. He knew that he was slow about to take a step which was an innovation on the rules of equity, and to his overt prejudice. Hr was now about to grapple not with charges, but with rumesis mat reports, but so tau it regarded hie own calcium, he should state the truth, the whole trutle and meheig but the troib lie was shout to go into very circuinstau details, of the cortectuess of which many of friends and other Memberil in the House wept's."' disabled to judge, and he called upon these cif tie farmer who were preseut to teemed him if he omitted any thing lions want of recollection, spurt any other Hsu. Member hi rise aftsraird . and contradict bine if be made any stiststentrut . because, upon hot honour, there was not a sing. eircurnstauce id which he VMS CODeefittd which hr did not wish the Hosea to pow , the most ample details. Hie .11tiojeasy's Mi niver* would not deny that his dimnessl malt place ill consequence of some imputed set se the 14t1► of August, whets the remains of her tat , Majesty were conveyed out of the metropolis. lir should, therefore, state every thaug a as far us he we' conceived, connected with that transaction :—lle was at the house of Count Orlutr, in Paris, when he was inlurmrel by the British Ambassador, Charles Stuart, that a telegraphic dispatch hi d arrived with au account of the sheath of late late Mo jesty, and he ineuediately left the house. He rant this, because it had toren said that he had heard h the fact at a dinner in company with 30 Free d ' slicers, and that he had shocked theta all by the exclamation which had escaped from him Upon that he arranged with one of the Alembea V I :h he h but the He they n)ini cent and into lie dii was cer ?here 'ar► ►eei, Q d irke t th,..y r w jii•iii•wm . ":•re l 'ri.,'' d ...in e li en bt u rrisratd m s l e: g . "l t :t7: or abed. Bust before proceeding to th e pa lick he would esiableh, rt Miesiste te sod h tive towards bins to u.. i g' s c n te u r i s e i ty it il i. o t f t I w p e h i m i l l i s e l t er i h e .gl e e Ilona o ti l l roe ni en). and *Vat mensal* of grace he snualo w her rut hoods. First of ull, he stasi s , offi cer of he years 'tending id the sert:ce, woo, th in X i, fire oulit adduce no proof of his own ser v i ce .", pia! e testimony of the Cornimender-ineCloief ti tu t ;,, to I wnrrhv of that hnnoirrahk ration 1.. soh c ol s '4 1: 0 1 ; 11 . ‘ and l t hurl felt it his Butt most cleo•cirs.t o a 14 n tt•e i rl e lat thi t e he l tr m i:r g i lt ioci r i 4 o l le " s lis s if ::: 4. 1 ir 6 t, the TO contrary to the {unions, the welfare, st.d thr sirup forty of the nation ; b ecaus e he cdoceired Mei Be s Icy id lo ° tl l :e " f sed r eed to I: he Pug o l ootor:1 I info r 1 it of mouskiud, they h o d no ether nil. peel ," kieol houl render that of f icer powerless. Did there ono ai ,. won mr some mothid reveittment. some Hot owerfal feeling io their moods ?—(Heer, BCC( otherwise had good frith been violated ,„ ,„ firm stature?—why had his property been colifiecsied WO id neer wet a gem' misconception on Ono pomp inte :le Honourable Member here read an extract oh, cane rcular letter from the Cummander-iteChiel 'nth, but gar 1814, iinposting that such Generals so is m be • Woods of regiments, should have the option s sot tiring, by disposing of th e i r c o m m i ss i ons fur On wain ice of aced to unattached commissions. Turf cuto te, he would ask. had his Majesty's Miuiaters iu- with cued on this officer the punishment of degrade. were Beto a ? He would contend that it wan a pu n i s h ment Broil dl • most severe one—it was placed iu the Mu. ed h sy An next to death. Ws. it its the hop e !eyes at, under the influence of pecuniary emlisir• .amens. he would resign hit mut in Psrlisio rs t cute Id, perhaps, tak e re fu ge in • foreign cou n t r y : in a err was a view of the case not quite wimixortant. lout which he yet r e q ues t e d th e Aseptic's' o f 11,, day, that ouse. It was well known, it was quite notoriout —hit at it had pleased Providence to •ffiict more than note e member of his faintly with the omit dresdfu, state Immune". It was known that these had on forme Imam canons excited the most benevolent feeling. is (Mr. e mind of the King. But when people saw th a t Lush e hlinisters prevailed on the King to mike war or tram the domestic comforts of on individual, there sump is but one opiuion, that it was some helmet them line he had committed, compared with whic next punishment •was • measure of loony. Nos next should state tint which he knew to be fact come at officers of rauk, not enemies to him, wriest • toll, indly attached to his Majesty's Ministers, us to Roue wit that they were confident his removal attic hour it have taken place without some misconduct w persist toss, that, if a trial had taken place, a worse ever ity would have befallen bins, and the Journals fie line oder the iufluence of Government constantly held but tl c same language—there ass not s day abrreis were was not exposed to a libel in some of them, be- venter ;use, said they, there is the fact that so officer o• the pe s rank has been dismissed from the serene wide He tb it inquiry, and therefore the iuference gem fain egoism id reasonable, that he must have been doomim oaten I because he has degraded himself, and modern: the aid rwself unworthy of the rank which he held. it wee Will," continued Sir Robert Witter'', " his Ms- behinc sty's Ministers persevere in this course to tut ? Causer Al they oct so to me who toiled io so sway oils 1 !tiles for the good of my country they gentle fuse that justice to me which is due to thr, borne, esnest artier,' in the empire ? If they I were II upon this Haus., as Goodell - len—as Members lie to Pediment—as Eaglistionerw—to deal by swear that t ey would for theintelsos, for their song, fa the M err relatives or friends." If he had hada trial. forwari t would have had on honourable *cgs pal ; they he were guilty, the artily had a right to krone ha aqing Pence.—(Hear.)— They had a right to koow the went it or e and chstucter of it—that might operate as a and ti sson of warning.. Whet was the benefit of uli into anishinent ?-example. But what benefit was whose leer in a punishment which studiously concealed lie did le offence? Thus was no justice at ill :it less be was Li ore justice than the dank mysterious proceeding, cer al the Inquisition. liven she Turk, whets he took if, City t le head of a slave, condescended to affix a label to he was s breast descriptive of his offence; end was he to he . roue, • !wired of a similar privilege ? If so, lie could only o ffi cer ukoil it us a precursor of ■ military gorerniorni, wrong or if the Honer would agree that this orresponsible waggon twee of punishment should be anuexed to the Woo , ft user of pardon, it would enable the Sovereign to ow tin um lute all the glorious rights of the Constitution, oar. h id the mighty exerfious of our ancestors. lle hot reeved m e every thing possible to keep this iu au officio; roper mood, till he had been 'aimed access to the mem Inoue; he had hut reined front the Home Office on, w I he knew • that perjury would be protected by e the! e rules of cake. He knew that he wets slow Woo, mut to take a step which was an innovation or. here t e rules of equity, and to his owe' prejudice. a seri e was now about to grapple not with c harge, !reshot at with rumonos and reports, but so tar st ranee guided his own coudnet be should state th, ched uth, the whole truth. and nothing but the Mob ek re e was about to go into very COVUIVIptaII t it tails, of the correctors" of which many col I-, n iends and other Melliberi in the House wipe •4o ker's tabled to judge, and he called upon those of tit' ri. toner who were preseut to revolted him if he elite nitted say thing bout want of recollection, t, arse Nun tiny other Hsu. Member to rive afterward; ark-co id contradict biro if be made any stiststerneui . ceivec mouse, upon Ins honour, there was not s si n g tk isi rcuinstuuce in which be was concerned r Rob hick hr did not wish the Have to w ore o ut be re molt ample details. His •Mojesty's Ho oved sleet would not deny that hie dismissal took i Hon. lace its consequence of some imputed act 01' id al so ie 14th of August, when the remain of her Ws u m hies'' , carte conveyed out of the metropolis. lb reed mild, therefore, state every thing, as far us he oat he ti c mcerned, connected with that transaction :—lle ems o as at the horse of Count Orloff, in Paris, when be be se e , as WM tiled by the British A mbussad "' ur, •• d •' mom harks Shoot, that a telegraphic dispatch lid he Is ✓ived with au account of the death of her lute Mo - nail, sty, and be inisurdiutely left the house. He Salt. If of tl pis, because it had been mid that he had heard el le fact at dinner in company with 30 Frei d thee" lice,,, and that he had shocked them all by He le exclamation which had escaped from loom toy a 'poll that hr arranged with me of the Alem4 lll tit Imo • • Pir 4 .° , m NM