The Sun. — London, England, 1862-07-22 00:00:00

(No. 2.) BALLOON ASCENTS with ou t " LE NOR-I m A Nurs" PARACHUTE DIP-FALL AID. MEuo.—The " Cruslty to Animals Act" advances as a reason for stoppage of these fret-foolery asso , iation excite ments, without wisdom being made manifest in case of col-- collapse retreat, at the over-three-mile zone-electric of g ton as s w i t hin the balloon, as witnessed—over Wolverhamp' poor Union mill' of the Somerie Dudley Exchange—at which point of barometric transparency the Paraehuts ought to have been spread on Thursday last. Mr. Coxwell's omission to take up with him the saep ox y g enic wax taper flame (as made by Jackson, of Pic dilly), used within its vehicle " the lamp of life," for nasal inhalation—as other aeronauts use agai nst the 151 b sq. inch atmospheric pressure on the lungs—accounts for the 451 b. on Blue , lip'd Glaisher suffering from t h e descent of hy drogen gas-weight circumvention. Thus the clear-sight Net-expansion. and absence of Nitro moist fog within the motive power, evidenced the dry elec tricity by the drowning-like effects on the system, that they were entering "Paradi , e • where the first pair meet,' or, in other words, the I,Vy n dsor' 7.-overhead Offcot region of the whyre-Wulfra' Hampton of EDGAR'S sister's Nip-scite-- prior to the Pha3'on-like collapse bull's run, (paunch-like) to the Lang-hamlet of Oakham—en vise by x Wrottesley's D°rdthy Dudley-Wardship of Bassett Stamford. However I_This over-sight default of the authorities for preven tion, on known g aseous change' at giddy heights— as well as to man's re-aeriform-within, as a pulse-rarifi cation of the brea th, for purification of the blood against any ' Prussian blue' discolouration of the skin at four miles loftiness', in absence of Winged life—shows a precedent for future P e ndulumic-umbrella-like dipfalls. . *Ni AtkyES- MOntagUe C. tt ACKERLET, Ext , c. • • 1-2 W. Iv., No, 54, Chamberlapae' Gie-sworn. • PETER BASQUET, Income-tax chief (1842 unpaid ~ f • China Ruff wall circuit horizon of-- , London, July 22. 1862) its Montezuma'd Admiralty red flag, not in V 4 Brant's power to give up IMP. 1793 China, to Mrcy, and cause of Captain's xi-yr support, tho' kirk- Qn's. ministers use his brains, and mock him &c. to death. (See Sun April 19, 28, May 16, & July 19.) CRYSTAL PALACE.--TO-MORROW (Wed nesday). ONE SHILLING. Open from Nine till dusk. pALAIS de CRISTAL —BLONDIN DEMAIN (Mercredi), a quatre heures. CRYSTAL PALACR-T3T , OND IN N.-/ will LUNCH on the HIGH ROPE in the Centre Transept TO-MORROW (Wednesday), introducing seve ral of his most daring feats. To take luncheon on the rope, he will carry a table and chair, and all the usual acces sories, seat himself at the table while balanced on the rope, uncork a bottle, and drink the health of the com pany. " 1 , u N ~ EVERYWEEK. ONE PENNY. THE s N 9 LON1)ON, TUESDAY EVENING, JULY 22, 1862. CANTERBU RY H AL L. The renowned Performers, DEBONNAIRE and AUGONARD (from Paris), at Ten o'clock. Grand Selections from " DON SEBASTIEN" and " IL TROVATORE," Conducted by Mr. Jonghmans. Principal Artistes—Miss Raynor. Russell, Signor Tivoli, and Mr. Unsworth, in his celebrated Stump Speech, " Or any other man " the original, in conjunction with Eugene and Donley, forming the greatest Com c Trio in London. Ala b the followincr, ('omic l alent, viz, fir. J. G. Forde, sir. Marshall, Mr. Haingsworth, and Miss Georgina Smithson. Gallery of Modern Paintings. T - H E OXFO R D, 6, OXFORD STREET. " TP E DAUGHTER OF THE ISLES," a Cantata composed by H. LESLIE, Esq., and written by A. MATTIMON, Esq., in honour of the Marrisge of her itoyal Highness the Princess Alice. EV ERY EVEh includeNlNG, in addition to the usua l enttrtainments, whic operatic selections by Miss Russell, Mat.iame Enderssohn, Messrs. Dlorley, Greene, and Albert, with Full Band and Chorus ; the Comic performances of Miss Caroline Parkes :and Mr. W. Randall, the Ethiorian oddities of Rumsey, :Newcomb, Little Bob, kugene, and ITnsworth (the origlnai " or any other man"), and the astounding feats on the Flying Trapeze of DEBONNAI RE. Hail, 6d.; Balcony and Stalls, ls. ; Private Boxes, 10s. 6th THEATRE -ROYAL, DRURY-LANE. Mr. D. Boucicanit, sole Lessee. !nig Evening, . THE SPITA MELDS WEAVER. Messrs. A tkins, F. Robinson ; Sara Stevens. After which, THE COL i.EEN HAWN. Nir. Boucicault, Mdme. Celeste, •To conclude with THE KISS IN THE DARK. Commence at 7. THEATRE-ROYAL, HAYMARKET. Sole Lessee and Manager, Mr. Buckstone. This Evening, THE WOLF AND THE LAMB. After which, OU R AMERICAN COUSIN: Messrs. Buckstone, Sothern ; Mrs. C. Young, Miss Oliver, az. With I.A. CON TRABANDISTA : Perea Nena, &c. And FAMILY JARS. Commence at 7. NEW THEATRE-ROYAL, ADELPHI. Sole Pro-rietor and Manager H , Mr. Benj . M amin Webster. 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NO Ail remittances are, henceforth, to be made to Mr. JOHN CHAPLIN, at The Sun office, 112, Strand, who has been appointed, by the Lord Chancellor, Receiver and Manager of The Sun newspaper, and the outstanding debts due in respect thereof. HIGH WATER AT LONDON BRIDGE. Tn t DAY.—Morning, 10h. 20m.—Afternoon, 10h. 58m, To-Aronnow.-Morning„ lib. 35m.—Afternoon, h. m. W J J t, • ./.?" • THE SUN. LONDON, TUESDAY, JULY 22, 1862. There is at length, happily, every reasonable prospect, we believe, of a settlement of the Great Fine Arts Difficulty. Whether shall the Royal Academy withdraw from its present position in the edifice designed for the purposes of a National Ga llery alone ? Or shall the National Gal lery be removed. elsewhere—leaving the Royal Academicians in quiet possession of their present 'vantage ground, overlooking the so-called (and absurdly so-called) Finest Site in Europe ?" Lord ELCHO'S motion, last evening, in the House of Commons, though it was 'withdrawn after a slight discussion, in which the present and the late Chief Commissioner of Public Works alone parti cipated, was merely withdr awn then for the pur pose of its being introduced again to-day—as an hif unopposed motion . Mr. ColireEß nisei distinctly intimated yesterday, a t the close of his remarks, that, to the motion itself, as it stood upon the papers, he had no objection whatever. Tae right hon. gentleman's only hope i n connection with i t was —that he observed (in rather vague term s, ter ms that might mean just anything or just nothing), the sug_ gested inquiry should lead to some "useful results," tending thereby to improve and encourage in this country tilt love and cu lti va tion of art. The noble lord's motion, in effect, simply prop osed • last night, and will propose again this evening, " That an bumble address be presented to her MAJESTY that she will be graciously pleased to issue a Royal Commission to inquire into the pre sent position of the Royal Academy in relation to the fine arts, and into the circumstances and condi tions under which it occupies a portion of the Na tional Gallery, and to suggest such measures as may be required to render it more useful in promoting art, and in improving and developing public taste." It is the demand, in other words, of another Royal Commission, One there has already been, as every one who has paid the slightest attention to this subject very well knows—a Royal Commission before which all kinds of men of eminence were examined at great length, including among those important witnesses scientific authorities as distin guished as Professor FARADAY. The result of this Royal Commission being ---who can forget it ? distinctly and most emphatically in favour of the National Gallery collection remaining in London , instead of bein g cart e d away to that suburban Slough of Des p ond (but too we ll known by this time) down at South Kensington. As nothing definitive, however, came from this very positive, and we will even say from thievery rational decision of the Royal Commissioners, there- can be no reasonable objection that another Royal Com mission shall be forthwith appointed by the SOVE REIGN as proposed by Lord ELCHO'S motion. Time enough that something were done in this matter. It has remained a moot point too long already. There must be an end at last to any further hesitation. The building at present shel tering under its roof on one side the Royal Aca demy and on the other the National Gallery, is, in point of fact, not merely incapable of containing both collections together, but even of affording each of them adequate accommodation. Externally the edifice is a disgrace to the country to which it be longs and to the object for which it was designed, that object being, we repeat, the foundation of a permanent home and abiding-place for the National Gallery and its custodians. In ternally the edifice affords anything but sufficient accommodation either for the purposes of the Royal Academy or of the National Gallery. And while this is so, it has to embrace within its narrow com pass both of these growing collections. Every year, of course, the inconvenience of this, both to the Royal Academicians and to the officials ap pointed to take care of the National Gallery, increases. The TURNER Bequest has happily brought matters to a climax. There is no escape now from the imperative necessity for an early re moval from Trafalgar-square of either the Royal Academy or the National Gallery. Which shall make way for the other That is really the plain alternative. And in regard to the decision t o be arrived at upon this alternative, almost every thing seems in favour of the removal of the Royal Academy, and against the removal of the National Gallery. The Royal Commission already referred to came, indeed, to that one simple and obviously reasonable conclusion. It recognised that the site at present oc cupied by the building called The National Gallery was intended, as the name indicated, for the pur poses of The National Gallery. From the outset the Royal Academy was there as the occupant of one-half of the edifice simply and notoriously on sufferance. As far back as 1839 the then Chancellor of the Ex :lacquer, known at that time as the Right Hon. SPRING RICE, but more familiar to the present generation as Lord MONTEAGLE, as plainly as pos sible, though in the politest terms of course, inti mated that the Royal Academy was there just simply—tolerated ! It occupied a portion of the building, a whole moiety of it, as it happened, with out having any legal right of property at all in it. Nay, with an imminent risk perpetually dangling over it, like a sword of DAMOCLES, that it might at any moment receive notice to quit, and to quit, too, forthwith. Notwithstanding which, up to this present date, the Royal Academicians have been in no way disturbed. They have had broad enough hints given them, no doubt, that they were becoming every year more and more de trop, that the room they occupied would be more welcome than their company, that they would do well to be at last flitting. Not one of those hints have they, however, had the grace to take. Even though they saw the masterpieces of one of the most illustrious of their body doomed for a while (in consequence) to be hid away like the ghost of HAMLET'S sire " in the cellar age." Even though they saw that those glories of English art had to be dragged off, one while to Marlborough House, and another while to the Brompton Boilers, until—under a threat from the Crown Lawyers that the TURNER collection might be altogether lost to the nation unless hurriedly brought back to the National Gallery—they were brought back thither again to be " cabined, cribbed, confined" within the narrow compass of rooms alto gether unworthy of their reception. As the suffi ciently plain and positive decision of the last Royal Commission (sufficiently plain and positive, that is for all unprejudiced minds), was nevertheless in sufficient to convince the judgments of the Royal Academicians, by all means let us have another Royal Commission, whose decision in their regard may be a trifle more imperative. Further delay would be something less than preposterous. Besides which, it will be a comfort to every one to be well - rid of what has long been an intolerable annoyance. If the Royal Academy his not the grace to take itself off —it must be made to do so. The Building about which, or rather about the site of which, there has been this long contention, is called, we believe, not the Royal Academy, but the National Gallery ! It was erected for the National Gallery, we believe, and not for the Royal Academy ! It was only after its completion that the Royal Academy was permit ted to move thither from its old habitation in Somerset House. It was so permitted as an act of grace, and just for the time being—it never being intended that it should remain there en permanence. Like incorrigible squatters who have been tolerated too long, the Royal Academicians required some thing more than broad hints, though unmistakably uttered some of them, to induce them to leave at all, however reluctantly. The fact is, the Legisla ture must decide on their eviction—if in no other way, by Act of Parliament. As a preliminary to their removal, we heartily rejoice, at any rate, at this immediate prospect of another and a final Royal Commission —a Commission expressly appointed, if appointed at all, to put an end to this vexatious and too long protracted Fine Arts Difficulty. We are favoured with another opportunity to " see ousels as others see us." In social and tri vial matters M. ASSOLANT and others have been presenting what they think to be Exhibition pho tographs of us to France and Europc— ryhai we think, however, to be caricatures or daubs. In a far graver matter Mr. THDRLoW WEED has been giving a picture of us to the citizens of New York which we can fairly recognise. He was sent over here to be a kind of unofficial rectifier of Eng lish wrong notions respecting the North, to nullify, as far as possible, the mischief supposed to have been cans „ eu by the visitors from the South, one of whom obtained English cheers by a free trade dis play at Filo, --mon gs el:a Hall. With him were asso ciated two for eoclr and the Continent ; and an Episcopal Church ties —a Catholic one, Arch bishop HuGnES ' Fr a nce the ns, Bishop AVILVAINE, for the i n struction of h through them or E nglish bishops and clergy' and their flocks. His g eneral rep ort is, th a t 'the was not in vain. " Peculiarly fortunate was mission was the ap pointment "The services of those enii h of the two bishope. and eminent divin es, and devoted Union-men, ''' th e former in Paris, the latter all over England, Were seasonable and effective; their exalted position,, their high characters, and their fervid zeal, gave weight and authority to their statements and opinions: , In one respect we think Mr. TIIURLOW WEED is in error—he seems to think that the South had produced a more favourable opinion itself at the beginning of the quarrel than exists now, and bad formed a public opinion against the North by an. ticipation. The reverse of this, so far as we can judge, seems to be the fact. From several causes, both in this Country and in America, we should say that t h ere A far more widely diffused opinion ' here than there was a year or more ago, that the North would not only act most prudently in giving up the contest at once, but that it ought to do so. Mr. WEED states fairly the causes of European want of sympathy with the North. We have been, he says, always forward to sympathise with those who were struggling to overthrow monarchies, and shown alacrity in recognising the independence of such as struggled successfully. He suggests, there fore, by inference, though of course he would not venture to express it, that we might have a reci procal feeling towards those who struggle to over throw that rule-of-the-many which the old Greek poet pronounces so emphatically to be —not good; and, that we might be willing to recognise, too, with alacrity, the independence of those who had struggled successfully to throw off the yoke of twenty millions of sovereigns. He does not forget the MORILL Tariff as a natural cause of aliena tion, and says that the emissaries of the South used it to show that the North desires a disruption of friendly relations. Certainly, if commerce be only one of the strongest bonds of amity between nations, the MoRILL Tariff cut it nearly through. The impression produced here by the natural differences between the North and the South, and by Mr. GLADSTONE'S expresesd opinions are specially referred to, and fairly stated. Mr. WEED objects to Mr. GLADSTONE'S view of the Federation being a mere co-partnership dissoluble at the wish of either party. He especially also charges him with if supposed to be a retir te n s e t r h , e broke epni m o o p n e n p t r h o e p ert safe, y a o n f d t s h t e o e fi r valuable r f org etting that the South, ns, arms, post-office, Custom-houses, public i s t n i e fi g c e u a p t. t i a i t r o i moneys and the like. But does Mr. WEED forget two facts—one that the South, on a rough calcula tion, must be entitled to just that part of the par nership stock which lay within its territory, and next that it offered to enter into arrangements for a fair valuation and division of the stock. Nothing however did the North require less than equitable division. Mr. WEED does not think that England, France Belgium and Germany, though they begin to ex perience severe inconvenience in regard to their cotton supply, will " intervene," of which the recent debate will more fully assure him. He attributes the impatience of France under the cotton famine, not to unfriendliness, but to the EMPEROR'S " as suming, in the absence of employment, to supply his people with food. While the North is success ful i❑ war he does not fear intervention, and it is remarkable that this is written on the Ist of July, just at the close of the six days' disastrous retreat. Mr. WEED looks, however, at the series of irritat ing causes which have engendered hostile feeling on both sides the water. While he owns that the Trent affair was " rightfully settled," he yet testi fies that it has "left an arrow with poisoned barb festering in our (American) flesh, and irritating our nerves." English expectation of war, and prepara tions for it, are assigned as the reason ; bat he adds that truth and fairness compel him to say that Govern ment and people sincerely believed that we " desired a rupture with them ; and sought occasions to taunt and snub them." He mentions among the causes of this impression, our opinion that by "bullying" they obtained advantages over us in the two boundary questions; also the dismissal of Mr. CRAMPTON, and our Consul, Mr% BARCLAY; American sympa thies with Russia in the Crimean war, the threats to wrest Canada from us, and Secretary SEWARD'S hostile declarations towards England. He acknow ledges that some of these grounds of complaint were well taken, and even shows that from our point of view we did not act unkindly in acknow ledging the South as belligerents. On the whole, Mr. THURLOW WEED'S paper may, as the production of an American, be regarded as an apology for England. He seems to have fairly appreciated our position, and comprehended our feelings. To us it seems to say tv his countrymen, do not judge England recklessly. There are dan gerous elements of embroilment between the two countries, but it is from misunderstanding each other. If both be fair and conciliatory, all will yet be right. IThe cotton question is fast becoming every one's question. Mr. GLADSTONE must soon feel it in the Exchequer, for our imports depend on our exports. Not only are the latter needed as the means of paying for Custom-house articles from abroad, we might get over that in a measure by indirect trade ; but our exports represent the immense amount of wages which contribute their share so largely to the consumption of tea and coffee, of tobacco, of sugar, of spirits, and of beer. Lord PALMERSTON will feel it in his fortifications, for he will hardly venture, with diminished receipts and the possi bility of an appeal to the Government for aid by a loan, to go on sinking the public money in fortifi cations certain never to be wanted, although well enough in terrorem, if we did not know what better to do with our money. We income tax payers shall feel it pretty directly; since, unless the Premier consents to hold his hand awhile, his demands on our diminished revenue can be met only by an additional twopence, or threepence, or more, and that at a time when the state of trade will render the increased assessment something very like torture, or a penal ii,fliction to many. In fact, in the lowest, the most selfish view of the case, we shall nearly all of us feel the cotton famine. That the productions of our cotton mills should form a third part of our foreign trade is alone proof enough how widely the calamity must be felt by which that trade is almost annihilated. In 1861 our imports of raw material was of the value of £38,600,000, our exports of articles manufactured from it of the value of nearly £40,000,000. This is the trade so nearly par4l7.od! Under these circumstances we ought to look fairly in the face the difficulties which are before us. The calculation made by Mr. BAZLEY, and accepted by another speaker and a large meeting at Manchester the other day, seems a very fair approximation to the sad truth. We give the details, but those who do not wish to take the slight trouble of examining them will remember that the well sustained con clusion is, that even supposing we could come at the American cotton already grown, and what is likely to be grown in 1863, the result is, that for one hundred and thirteen weeks there will not be in existence a supply for more than forty-six weeks. This is his computation :—" Suppose the war were to end to-morrow, the cotton supply could not be resumed under former circumstances. The crop of 1861 was 4,000,000 bales. Of this they might fairly assume that there were destroyed, ungathered, and smuggled by running the blockade, 1,000,000 red, culatfOvn bales. That left 3,000,000 bales available. Of this supply the Northern States would certainly take a third, leaving 2,000,000 for Europe, including Eng land. For the Continent 500,000 bales were re e of cotton cultiv atio n i s n f g or us th ls:o o , l o ) o o o f. bales_ ATsherseegawrdereed the crop of 1862 only one-f ourth of the ordinary area th e supp lylB6a three-fourths; and this would reducing pply, 40 t be the case in 40 0,000 t o we had 1,500,000 bales p or l h s' e su crop of 1862 0 aordeight weeks' sup y3fOrowmeekt 400,000 or eight weeks' supply from the crop of n l 8 63. or 46 weeks' supply up to October, 1 864, or 113 vc:eeks." When a supply of raw taateri t a of this trade which, in 1860, amoutted, from all countries, to the enormous quantity of !,390,938,752 lbs., is deprived of the almost as large mount of 1,115,890,6081b5. the quantity received "min the United States that year—it is easy to cor4ecture the terrible result on the Lancashire mills. The following year shows to how limited an extent other countries can supply the deficiency ; since, in 1861, we received from the States only the still large amount of 819,500,528 lbs. Yet all other countries increased their remittances by only 162,436,064 lbs. We must almost apologise for troubling oar readers with what is so generally repulsive as figures, but for which we might give them many more, all pointing to the same sad con clusion of the fearful deficiency of employment and loss of wages befalling our cotton districts in one year, and likely to be yet felt for years to come. The first consideration is similar to the one which pressed on us in the year of the potato rot in Ireland; for the sudden increase of pauperism is frightful. The year 1357-8 was one of the worst ever known in the cotton districts, but already it is calculated that the pauperism is seventy-five per cent. greater than in that melancholy year. Nor is there immediate prospect of remedy ;—even would the belligerents make up their quarrel at once, this winter must be one of terrible suffering. h is gratifying to see that charity is organising itself, liberally and wisely, but the calamity is to a large extent a national one, at the same time a purely exceptional one, and, we fear, can only be ade quately met by exceptional legislation. The rate in aid system must be put on the best footing, but we can hardly doubt that Mr. HIBBERD'S proposal of authorising unions to obtain loans on the secu rity of the rates will be requisite also. It is our objcct, however, just novv to call attention to the growing importance of the subject, rather than to canvas the remedies. To support these and to work them will require all the skill and wisdom of those who thoroughly understand the cotton districts. The first great object is to prevent this noble class of operatives from being pauperized and degraded by, we fear, two or three years of enforced idleness. The law writers, unhappily for them, got nothihg whatever from the motion submitted to the House of Commons last evening in their behalf by the hon. member for Finsbury. A majority of " five" in a house of " fifty-seven" decided that the rules and orders of the High Court of Chancery issued on the 16th day of May, 1862, by the Lord High Chan cellor, should continue in force, and should in no way be interfered with by the Commons House of Parliament. It would have been better for his clients, we cannot but think, had the member for Finsbury submitted his motion to the House in a different tone, and not proposed its introduction as he did by throwing out a really odious insinuation. Namely, one to the effect that the rules and orders of the Court of Chancery, to which he was thus taking exception, were designed to create a monopoly ! These rules and orders were issued, as the Solicitor-General remarked yester day while opposing the motion, by the Lord Chancellor himself no doubt, but at the same time with the express concurrence of the Master of the Rolls and of the other Judges of the Court of Chancery. They were designed simply and solely—who shall doubt it ?—for the better administration of justice. If deserving people were in any way whatever injured by these new rules and orders coming into operation, their being so injured is a matter of course of very deep regret, but it is a result quite beside the real ques tion at issue. The undoubted aim of the rules and orders that have already so operated, has been quite manifestly all along the better securing of the administration of justice in the Court of Chancery. To attribute their introduction to a deliberate intention on the part of any judge to create a monopoly was an indecorum that we can hot wonder the House of Commons set aside at once last evening. If these regulations have in truth imposed a charge of from £4,000 to £5,000 a-year upon the Suitors' Fee Fund—if they have pecuniarily bene fitted one man exclusively, while inflicting serious injury upon a large body of deserving and innocent persons—if these and other evils have actually resulted from the Chancellor's rules and orders of the 16th of May ever since those rules and orders came into operation—such facts are not only deeply to be regretted, but it seems reasonably enough to inquire whether the injured may not in some way be relieved in their unlooked• for difficulty. But to attribute the whole charge to a distinct intention to create a monopoly is not merely to act and speak in the worst possible taste, but to be guilty of an outrage upon the highest of our judicial functionaries. Under the circumstances, while we cannot bat still grieve over the ills resulting to the law-writers from the rules and orders of the 16th of May having actually come into operation, we cannot in any way regret the rejection of Mr. Cot's motion last evening in the House of Commons. Her Majesty the Queen arrived at Windsor by special train on the Great Western line yesterday. LORD PALMERSTON.—After the labours of the session are brought to a close, it is stated that the Premier will pay a visit to the Highlands of Scotland, taking up his abode at Tulchan Lodge, near Grantown, as the guest of Mr. Bass, M.P. THE ARCHBISHOPRIC OF ARMAGH.—There is a report in clerical circles that the Archbishopric of Armagh, which has become vacant by the death of Lord John George Beresford, will be conferred upon the Very Rev- Richard Chenevix Trench, D.D., Dean of Westminster. The archbishopric is worth £15,000 a year. CRYSTAL PALACE.—DRAMATIC COLLEGE FETE. —ONE SHILLING DAY.—MONDAY, JULY 21.—Admissions on payment, 25,603; ditto by season tickets, 2,567; total visitors, 28,170. CU niuMON LAW COURTS FEE FUND.—The annual account of the Fee Fund of the superior courts of law shows a large increase in the fees received last year. They amounted to £51,156. The export of English books to America (says the Critic) has fallen off greatly during the current war, but the extra import duty of 25 per cent. which Congress has just imposed is likely to extinguish the book trade with this country altogether. OVERCROWDING OMNIBUSES. --The Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals have given public notice of their intention to prosecute, under the act of Parliament, all omnibus proprietors who permit the over crowding of their vehicles, to the injury of their horses and the dt.nger of the public. M. Horace Vernet has just arrived in Paris from his chateau at the Isles of Hyeres. M. Vernet was born in the year 1789, and is consequently now in his 73d year, but is still as active and erect as a young man. THE DRAMATIC COLLEGE FETE.--The enter tainments at the Crystal Palace on behalf of this charity were continued wi,h great spirit yesterday, when between twenty and thirty thousand persons attended the fair. All the actors and actresses were again faithfully at their posts, and although the receipts from the stalls and performances hardly reach the high level of Saturday, the exertions of all the popular favourites were well repaid by the public. Every praise is due to the council, and to Mr. Benjamin Webster for Vie general arrangements, and the or der with which they were carried out. The receipts will probably amount to three thousand pounds. THE SECRET 60CIETY TRIAL—The Tribunal of Correctional Police gave judgment in this case on Saturday afternoon :—Greppo, Six, Mary, Roucol, Clement, Bonnet, Boudin, Bouya, Hemon, Jumera, Leger, the two Mediu gers, Moreau, Perdu, and Gerard, were acquitted ; Vessel, Bachelet, Miot, Gastinel, Carre, were declared to be the chiefs, and were each condemned to three years' imprison ment, 400 fr. fine, and five years' interdiction of civil rights. Alely, Barbarin, Lafarque, Creancy, and Joixanne, were each sentenced to two years' imprisonment; Adine, Ba.. rouin, Beurthe, Bonnerot, Bray, and Vaudelin, to one year' s imprisonment, with 100 fr, fine ; and the others to periods tli to e th ex r p ee ens m e o s n o t f hs th . condemned cvoaniloiinngtlyfrotompsaiyx LATEST NEWS. CIVIL WAR IN AMERICA. REPORTED CAPTURE OF BATON ROUGE BY THE CONFEDERATES. (Per Anglo-Saxon, by Telegraph to Cape Race, and from Londonderry.) NEW YORK, JULY 14 (Evening). An uneasy feeling generally prevails concerning military and political matters. A meeting of the members of Congress for the Border States has been held at Washington to consider President Lincoln's emancipation scheme. The New York Evening Post says that the majority oppose the scheme, and will decline to accept the proposal. A large body of Confederates has captured Mur freesborough, near Nashville, and taken one Federal Regiment prisoners. It is supposed that they will attack Nashville. Mobile despatehes say that the Confederates under Van Dorn have captured Baton Rouge, near New Orleans, and taken 1,500 Federal prisoners. Considerable excitement exists at Louisville, Kentucky. The Confederates are reported to be in force near Frankfort. COMMERCIAL INTELLIGENCE. Money easy. Gold further advanced. Exchange firm at 1281, Stocks heavy and lower. Cotton buoyant, and again higher. Breadstuff firmer. A strike has taken place among the labourers who load grain ships, causing nearly the entire suspension of shipments of breadstuffs. Provisions quiet. Coffee and sugar advancing, PARIS, JULY 21. The Patrie states that' Admiral Jurien de la Graviere and General Forey will embark for Mexico at the beginning of August. The Patrie of this evening asserts that France and Prussia have decided upon following a common course of cenduct on the Servian question. The Presse states that the number of men forming the French expeditionary corps to Mexico will be carried up to 30,000. 3 25 p.m. The Bourse has been inanimate. Rentes closed at 68f. 40c., or the same as on Saturday. TURIN, JULY 21. Gen. Sonnaz has been appointed Italian Envoy Extraordinary to the Court of St. Petersburg. VIENNA, JULY 21. The Governor of Transylvania, Count Crenne ville, has been summoned hither to report upon the state of affairs in that province, with a view to the early convocation of the Transylvanian Diet. BRUSSELS, JULY 21. The King was expected to arrive here to-day, but, having taken cold yesterday while walking in the Park at Lacken, he is obliged to keep his room, The indisposition is only slight, and the arrival of his Majesty at Brussels may be expected shortly. VIENNA, JULY 21. Omar Pasha announces by telegraph that on Saturday last the Turks drove the Moutenegrins from their intrenched position at Sagratz, and pur sued them in the direction of Cettigne. FRAN CE. BOURSE, July 21.—English Consols have arrived with a further rise of } per cent., but no effect has been produced on the market, which remains inani mate, but with prices unvaried. Threes, for the Account, are now at 68f. 40c. Little doing in Railway Shares. The market closed as follows:- 11 per Cents. 97 LO Do end month 3 per Cents Do. end month 6B 40 New 3 per Cents Do. end month — Credit Mobilier 825 Do. end month 835 - BAIL' Bank Shares 3235 Credit ander 1175 Piedmontesc Fives 71 Italian Loan 7l 15 Roman — Austrian Spanish Threes — Rome Debt Cash. Account. Orleans 995 .. 991 25 Northern New ditto oo . • • Lyons and Mediterranean 1080 .. 1080 -- Geneva 356 25 .. 360 Southern Western Eastern .... Sardinian .. Austrian Lombard 612 50 .. 612 50 ITALY. The Commission appointed by the Italian Cham ber of Deputies to report on the bill concerning political associations, has instituted a new bill for the Ministerial one. This new bill does not invest the Crown with the power of dissolving an associa tion at pleasure, but only empowers the Minister of the Interior to suspend an association, accompany ing the decree of suspension with a notification of the facts considered criminal. If within five days the matter has not been brought under the notice of the tribunals, the suspension ceases de jure. The incriminated facts are to be judged by the Courts of Assize, which may, in case of condemnation, also order the dissolution of the association. If the association continues its meetings after its dissolu tion, the members may be punished with imprison. ment not exceeding a year. The enrolling of men, and collecting of warlike stores without the permis sion of Government, is punished with imprisonment or exile not exceeding three years. The act of exciting subjects to disobey the laws or the public authorities is punished with imprisonment not ex ceeding three months, and fine not exceeding 500 francs. SPAIN. MADRID, July 21.—The Correspondencia Auto grafa of to-day says :—" It is not impossible that, under certain conditions and at a time not yet fixed, Spain might recognise the Kingdom of Italy," R USSIA. It appears from the Russian journals that the destructive fires which have spread such terror among the people are still numerous in the pro vinces. The Civil Uovernor of Tobolsk reports to the Minister of the Interior a fire that has destroyed in that city 95 houses, a wooden church, the office of the a dministration of the commune, and the archives. Only the official papers for the last four years were saved, and some of the church ornaments. A second fire is reported from Kanienetz-Podolsk, that has destro3 ed several private houses, the police•cffice, the printing -office of the local Govern ment, and the treasury, The Catholic Cathedral is also, very much damaged. A third conflagration at Browary, in the district of Ostersk, has destroyed 14 houses. The reports describe the origin of these fires as unknown. The Emperor has authosised the establisment of a bank for Finland. MEXICO. The Patrie states that a battalion of infantry has been sant from Guadeloupe to Mexico. I will be stationed at Cordova, under the command of Gene ral Donay. A letter in the Illoniteur de l' Armee says that there is the greatest anxiety among all parties in the city of Mexico, and that the conduct of the Government towards foreigners is more oppressive than ever. AMERICAN AFFAIRS. The private commercial letters from New York yesterday add little to the details already published. They demonstrate, however, that no part of the recent telegram by the Glasgow was concocted on this side, since the whole of its statements had been received at New York, and were supposed to be in many respects accurate. The celebration of the Fourth of July had been rendered the more melan choly by the inflated certainty that had previously prevailed with regard to the announcement of the fall of Richmond before that date, and by the state ment since current that the army of General M.Clel lan, which just before the end of June had num bered 85,000 men, had now been reduced by sick ness and by the loss in killed, wounded, and prison ers to less than 50,000. As the date of the letters by the present mail is only to the Bth of July, and the rate of exchange on England was then 1221, and the premium on gold 111, it is to be assumed that in the two succeeding days the estimate of affairs must have become still more adverse since the rate of exchange in the interval, according to the quotations by telegram, had gone to between 128 and 130, while the premium on gold also had risen to nearly 17 per cent. All the advices•agree that volunteers are coming in very slowly, and that a revulsion of feeling was beginning to be observ able, which seemed to indicate that the Democratic party in New York, which had ceased to exist as a distinct body during the mania for subjugating the South, were now again likely to assume preponde rance, and to carry their candidate at the next elec tion for Governor of the State. It was also thought likely that, unless the aspect of matters shall under go a great change during the next two or three months, there will be a large party in favour of foreign mediation. "Already," it is said, "the feeling is not nearly so hostile to England as it was a few weeks back." The Treasury Note Bill had passed, but the new issues thus authorised had not yet commenced, and their influence in further in creasing the premium on gold had still to be made manifest. A prevalent report that an export duty of 10 per cent. on gold and silver was about to be imposed had not received much credence. With regard to the bombastic proclamations of General M'Ciellan, which have disappointed those who had previously looked upon him as a steady soldier, it is suggested that they must not be too hastily ac cepted as genuine, since the conduct and character of Mr. Stanton, the Secretary of War at Washing ton, who gives forth everything that is allowed to be published in the subjugated Northern press; are not of a nature to guarantee that if he deemed such productions necessary to serve the temporary pur poses of the Government he would for an instant hesitate to fabricate them. 110 W TO BUY FRENCH WINES. You get a cask of " bon ordinaire," already drawn off (soutire) and fined (colle), and only requiring three weeks' or a months' repose in your cellar 'or warehouse to put in bottle. At times of the year when it does not freeze, an aboveground warehouse is the most convenient to perform the operation in; there is at least a certain amount of daylight, and your man is not exposed for hours to the tempera ture and atmosphere of an underground cellar. You bottle your wine, selecting a bright sunshiny day, with the wind not far from the north or the east. At Channel ports of France you get good ordinary Bordeaux for from £9 to £l2 the cask, which will yield 300 and a few odd bottles. I find what contents me for £B. Very good ordinary Bur gundy may be had for less, but put it down at £B. A cask of Burgundy yields only from 270 to 280 bottles; but the contents of wine casks, now differ ing greatly, according to locality, are shortly to be equalised throughout France. If you deal with Bordeaux or Burgundy direct, a "chemise'' or se cond outer cask, to prevent tricks being played with your wine on the road, costs five francs, and is not money thrown away. Adding to these prices the freight to London, the wharfage, the English duty, and the cost of bottling and of corks (the best are the cheapest; many a bottle of good wine is spoilt by a bad cork), the reader may calculate at what a cheap rate he can furnish his table with good light wine, by following the plan of buying it in the wood. English wine mer chants should persuade their customers to buy their ordinary French wine in the cask, and bottle it themselves; they might sell it ho at a reason able price, and yet get a fair profit. Your wine is bottled and stacked; a goodly store. For the first three or four months it is " sick," and out of order. If you can leave it untouched a twelvemonth, so much the better ; but in six or ! eight months you may begin to make use of it. "It is pretty well," you think. " Very fair." If Burgundy, the bottle already begins to show a crust, delightful to most English eyes ; if pure Bordeaux, it should not be tray the slightest crust or deposit after being ten years in bottle. Your wine costs so little that you make free with it, giving country cousins tastes of what they never tasted before, and trying its heal ing qualities on your poor sick neighbours. When it is half finished, you begin to say :—" I like this wine ; we must be more sparing with it," When it is drawing near to its close, you shut up the last two dozen in some secure hiding-place, only to be produced on state occasions. This is the history of many and many a cask of " bon ordinaire." We do not fully value our friends until we are on the point of losing them.—Dickens's " All the Year Round.' An extraordinary case of murder, committed by a woman, has just been tried in Paris. The prisoner, a widow named Parisot, 54 years of age, is described as a most horrible- looking creature— one of those miserable wretches in the lowest strata of the sex who haunt the purlieus of barracks,and who are known by the unfortunately ignominious term of "soldiers' women." She had for a regular lover a pensioner with a wooden leg, and the weight of 76 years to carry with it. His largesse to her—all that his means allowed—was the sharing of his daily rations He does not appear to have known, however, what turns out to have been a fact, that a rival named Hertz was in the habit of enjoying the lady's favours when he was away. One evening Hertz was either indiscreet enough or unlucky enough to knock at the door of the woman's lodgings when she was in bed with the old man with the wooden leg. She thereupon snatched from the bedside a sword belonging to the pensioner, and, without saying a word, attacked Hertz with it lustily, inflicting upon him 13 wounds and cleaving his skull. He died almost immediately, and the surgeon who gave evidence said he should have thought it impossible that a woman could hays inflicted such wounds. The ver dict of guilty being qualified b 3 extenuating circumstances, this virago was sentenced to 20 years' hard labour. 'fbe advices from Pernambuco give the particu lars of the failure of the banking firm of Amorim Fragozo, Santos, and Co., of that city. The liabilities are estimated at £200,000, and two of the managing partners have ab sconded. The position of the creditors, however, will be mitigated by the fact that the establishment was formed as a company en commandite in 1850, and that the share holders, having paid up but 50 per cent, of their subscrip tion, are still liable for calls to the amount of £50,000. Four or five other houses have been compelled by this disaster to suspend, and also the banking firm of M. Silveira. The treasurer of the branch bank of Brazil, st Pernambuco has likewise absconded, leaving a defalcation of about £50,000. THE YELVERTON CASE IN SCOTLAND.—Lord Ardmillan's judgment in the Yelverton case will, I under stand, shortly come before the Court of Session for re vision. While much credit is given the Lord Ordinary for the zeal and ability brought to bear upon the considera tion of thif critical case, few are found prepared to claim for his vote the merit of impartiality. Most people pro nounce it, while an able, a notoriously one-sided docu ment. The fact that Lord Ardmillan is a trustee of Mrs. Forbes is not looked upon as contributing to perfect im partiality. lam far from asserting there was anything in such a relation to bias a judge. But, unquestionably, the relation throws an air of suspicion over the judgment. — Correspondent of Weekly Review. The Opinione of Turin mentions some disturb ancesrowd which occurred on the 16th at Milan, wh p e a n ra a de c d the of young men assembled about 8 p.m., and paraded ! Viva streets with torches, crying, " Viva l' Italia Down with the Ministry I p of the national ".1:1°A9.: eF hc m o r tm eo ln - c s e h t a r c a c h t i o o o n n f s , u t h . e se esPPerlveaefeereacst: afterwards to the prefecture. They first proceeded to the house of theLhaFenGtyruaesnrsicgfhoict:onaltarul.blm,aalednli'd,' guards preventing their cheers the Emperor of tandheys contented s e e n p te a d ra t t h ed e themselves e A lv ut t e pe s ro w .un it ii h cer l i o e u s d a another point of the city a and Syndic both called dissolved similar who, by the coolness of a the persons F r e n t c h h a t were uttered arrested. m eac Ato after vainly captain of the to disperse, ordered his men to load. d eraon a n tr: t t i i . o n n ai w g a u s ards fa lent and the patriots" decamped. recom mending the crowd This WaS bU.-C c BAPTIS M IN THE S EA.--On Sabbath last, a man was bap ti s ed in the sea at Lossi emouth, in front of the r ailway station, —Elgin Courier, POLICE-THIS DAY. BOW-STREET. CHARGE OF EMBEZZLEMENT.—George Thomas Sutor, clerk, was charged with embezzling thesums of £l9 3s. 9d., £37 13s. 2d., £8 15s. Bd., and other moneys, received by him for and on behalf of his employer, Mr. John Danger field, clerk to the St. Martin's vestry. Mr. Abrams appeared for the prisoner. From the statement of Mr. Dangerfield it appeared that the prisoner had been a clerk in his office, and part of his duty was to receive certain rents, and afterwards to pay the amount immediately into Drummond's Bank. Amongst the rents he had to receive were those derivable from an estate called the Holborn estate, but it had been discovered he had received from a person named Deeks, occupying premises on that estate, the sum of £l9 3s. 9d., which he had not accounted for in the usual way. Another sum, X. 37 13s. 2d., had also been paid by a tenant named Waite, and the third sum, £8 15s. Bd., was received from a tenant named Rule. The prisoner left his service in June last, and a short time after his books were examined, when the deficiency was discovered. He was accordingly directed to attend at the office and explain certain inaccuracies in the books, but instead of so doing, he wrote a letter admitting he was a defaulter in the accounts to the extent of £ll4, but it had been occasioned by an accident, viz., the losing a large sum of money by the dropping of his pocket-book into the Thames. William Helding, clerk in Reynold's Newspaper office said he paid to prisoner, on behalf of Mr. Desks, in April last, certain money for the rent of some premises in Hol born. The prisoner gave a receipt for the amount, £l9 3s. 9d. for which he received a cheque, drawn by Mr. Decks on the Bank of London. Mr. James Cook, clerk to the prosecutor.—The prisoner was in the same office until the 7th of June when he left. It was the duty of Sutor to pay into Drummond's bank all moneys as he received it. I believe from inquiries I have made none of the sums mentioned have been paid over to the Messrs. Drummond. The receipts given by the pri soner to Mr. Hedley for the money was not upon the usual printed form. Some discussion followed on the admisability of certain evidence, 'and ultimately Mr. Corrie suggested that the evidence already given was sufficient for a remand. This course being assented to the prisoner was retuanded, but admitted to bail in twa sureties of £lOO, and his own recognisances for £2OO. MARLBOROUGH-STREET. ARTFUL ROBBERY AT A JEWELLER'S OF WATCHES.— CLEVER CAPTURE OF ONE OF THE THIEVES. JOhll Watkins, a tall fellow, wearing a light coat, was charged before Mr. Knox with being concerned with another not in custody, in stealing six gold watches of the value of £45 from the shop of Mr. James Bracebridge, jeweller and watchmaker, of 119, New Bond-street. Charles James Roe, manager of the prosecutor's business said—On Thursday last the prisoner and two others came into our shop and asked to see some gold watches. I showed them several, but not one of them suited them and they left, I promising to get some they wanted with enamelled backs, and they promising to call again. On Saturday afternoon, about half-past four, the prisoner and another man called and prisoner asked to see the articles which I had promised to get. I showed the prisoner a case of six watches, and, after some conversation, prisoner said they would not suit him, and asked if I could not get one with a single atone in the back of about £l6 value. I said I would do so by ➢londay. The prisoner then asked me about some chains and I showed him some, and he singled out. one, and said " What is the weight.' I sent the boy for the weight-book, or stock-book, but the boy instead of giving it to me looked himself, and this caused a slight altercation between us. Mr. Knox—Was any one in the shop at the time besides yourself, the boy, the prisoner, and the other man ? Witness—No, and I saw the case immediately before, having had it in ray hand, and no one came in while the men were there. The prisoner said he wanted the watch for his sister. The watches were of the value of £l5, arid Mr. Bracebridge had them on approbation. Mr. Knox—lt is all the same ; your master is respon sible. Witness—On telling the prisoner the weight of the chain, the other man said, " Oh, there goes your sister," and darted out of the shop. Prisoner made some more re marks about tLe chain, and said he would be sure to call OIL Monday, and sauntered out of the shop. In five minutes after I missed the case of watches, and gave information to the police. Prisoner, when asked whether he had any questions to ask, shook his head, Sergeant Joy, 9C, said—l apprehended the prisoner last night at the Bull's Head publichouse, Kingaland, from a description given of him by the last witness. After I got him out of the house I told him the charge, being fearful to do so in the house, as there was a regular den of thieves, but he made no reply. He gave an address, which I fmd to be false. The prisoner, at the request of the sergeant, was re mended. EMBEZZLEMENT, —William Riddlesdale, in the employ of Mr. Elias Moses, butcher, of 13, Tower-street, St. Martin's lane, was charged with embezzling several sums of money received from his employer's customers. One case having been proved against the prisoner, and Miss Sophia Moses, daughter of the prosecutor, having proved that the prisoner had been in her father's employ about 22 years, that it was his duty to receive money from the customers and to pay it over daily, and that in several instances he had not done so, Ackrill, 48 F, who had had a great deal of trouble in tracing the prisoner, asked for a remand, which was granted. THAMES. A THRICE DISAPPOINTED SUICIDE.—Emma Cannon, a very dissipated and drunken woman, was brought before Mr. Woolrych, charged with attempting to commit suicide. William Willoughby, a constable in the employ of the Regent's Canal Company, received information yesterday afternoon that the prisoner had jumped into the canal near the Commercial Gas-works. He obtained the drags and went to the spot. The second time he threw in the drags he brought her up. She was quite insensible. Mr. Woolrych—Had she sunk when you threw in the drags ? Willoughby—She was sinking. Mr. Woolrych—ls the water deep there ? Willoughby—Yes, 14 or 15 feet in depth. I brought her on shore, and Dr. Horton, of High-street, Stepney, attended upon her and administered stimulant and rescued her. She was then sent to Wapping poor-house. Mr. Woolry eh—This woman has been here before for a similar attempt on her life. Kent, the messenger of the court—Yes, sir; she was here five or six months ago, for attempting to drown herself. A Police Constable—Yes; three times she has attempted to destroy herself—she is a most violent and disorderly WOMh n . The prisoner in an excited tone said—She was drunk yes tesday, and did not what she was about. Mr. Woolrych—You have committed a most rash and wicked act. It is perfectly shocking to hear of a young woman drinking to excess, till she is mad drunk, and then attempting to take away her own life. The Prisoner—lf 9 on will let me go this time I will never do it again. Mr. w oo kych—You are not to be trusted. lam very much afraid you have been too leniently dealt with on for mer occasions, and now I think you ought to be committed for trial for attempting self-murder, which is an offence punishable by the laws of England. I shall remand you for a week, and when you are brought before me again I shall consider whether it is not proper to commit you to the Sessions for trial. INAUGURATION OF THE MYDD ELTON STATUE AND DRINKING FOUNTAINS BY MR. GLADSTONE.—The cere mony of inaugurating the statue to Sir Hugh Myddelton, the lather and founder of the New River Company, in 1613, together with the drinking fountains around it, is fixed for Saturday, under the presidency of the Right Hon. W. E. Gladstone, at the Agricultural Hall, Islington. The statue is of marble, on a granite pedestal, with fountains on either side, from designs by the late Mr. Thomas, the e sculptor, and it w ill o ccu py a cons pi cuous p u bli c pos iti o n in front of I s li ngton -green, facing the High-street. Severs / distingui s h e d persons are expected to be present; and the 4 th Middlesex Rifl e V o l un t e ers, with th e i r b an d, will be n i attendance as a guard of honour, ROYAL FREE HOSPITAL, GRAY'S-INN-ROAD. -- The number of patients relieved at this hospital during the week ending July 19 was 2,518, of which 935 were new cases. more Marl vane( about While and a sy mp adv ax and 1; No Turki togetl for re Thl of th, South Ani Lon& ward, Of 811 c the di eornn, arran t Idond( bush ] , tageot 33 Y th "Pen of off i 41,00 will 1 ' Will f deuce Th e Taotat Th( th e tt e nter ; 92i 9 3 'll:'reel 9. 11 er I 'email Zoan Th e a li Da Turki c 72t 7 Scr ip Sc r i p to 7 04 . Th e Prem. In have , 40 vvev - - North Gr eat and E shire; The lhaetic V alues. 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