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LONDON, %VEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 18, 1820. NUMUEIt 5575. : heirr id. TH SA FR ft.norA I, etPI'ENI:OA R D RN. THIS EVENING. WEDNESDAY. Oct. IS, will be revived Sbakopeare's Pl.y of the existence of the con•pirary ;' sod having proved that, he wont,' goon and prove the arts against the pert icular indlvi. slunk That was the way Isis *stile a n d learned Friend actually did proreed ht the triel of Hardy at the 01.1 Bailey. The defendant had objected that none of the acts petered were made In connect with him ; and the Learned Judge who presided hail said, that the charge was of two ports— and the Prosecutor might Ant prove the existence of the conc./sires y and then brine it Lome to the parties a. well Se hr could. So in the p 1 ruse: they might first prove the arty of conspiracy against her filajesay by Volusarcati, and afterwards bring it home to Colonel Brown and the others if they could. 11 was not winery to prove the au. Henri y being given to bribe ; hut you must prove the acts of the agent, and that was sufficient. It Awl beessasiel, that this related to witnesses nut eternised at idlest Lordahipe . bar ; but on reterring to the riradelice, minus acts of subornation were proved agaiust Retool , and how could it be known that the witneaars who had bun etansisted were not also Wasted and corrupted to the issfie matinee ea Hesse he had dealt with! He thought they WI res-s(Haer)— for he judged that on persolumpedit depart from the truth without some signior matiill; and when he found that the wilt's-fists hail spoke. what he cousislered tol•Ily sod wickedly fal.e, he was comp-llerl to attribute it In ciwroption. If their Lordships divest thessoselve. of the right to probe and examine tutu the alleged conspiracy, they might undoubtedly do so; bill no man who was nut • At inhabitant it Bedlam would say, that if the evidence were gone into they were not competent to judge of the probability oeiruprobebi- I ity of the charge; lithe! were spot they ought to nitre from the situations which they now filled. As to the probability of the allegation of conspiracy, be would ask the Noble Earl opposite if be knew, before these proceedings began, what lie knows now, ahi thee he would have gone iutu it at all ?--r, near, bent.)—ln roncloaion, the Noble Lord said, he would implore the House not to deride opus. those Wes of the Courts below, since those Courts of Justice never had to try such a canoe as the present. All that was salted now was to slats/ the existence of a conspiracy, after which it could be endeavossied to bring home the charge realest those persons who had 'Nought the present procerdiugs before Parliament. that offered. sad paroled every coarse that promised to lead to the p r o o f of such guilt ? When a conspirsey to &wive them by false evidesier wag dem o / h ired, be could out hot think their Lordships were bowed in go halo the proof of that c o asistrory, whether it were the act of the poly promoting the Bill or of his agents, tar not. The evidaisce before their Lordships hail estahlishetl the syrney of Vilmar. esti as nnnnn cted wills Cul. Brown • Mr. Powell had tow reefed Cu? .1 Broths with himself, mid at the game time he hod proved his owe coisitexiou with the Milan Commie. mime, by avowiag himself as Oatmeal. Therefore the circuits stagers Ire had jest silted, left no doubt of the @gem". That mime d his, tie a u rae degree, front the necessity of firsholf into the coesiderstion of the extraordinary question which bed been started, whether the Aldan Consoossioe we. oat totally uneoweeeted with, and altogether alien to this eager? If they were found to be employed by them selves or ii. it agents is go twig together the 'vibrato by which this Bill wee to be supported; if their egrets were proOed to bare attempted the corruptiosi of witwesees, ear doubt wf misepiraey tumid exist; and be mold eel sus say sari, fee tiny moo from hastier cosapiracy, seises that wow Now le go lotto the proof of that which wee here deaustered. If persona were allowed le to aliened and collect wittiness is a foreign country—to take their depositions—to swear them to those depositions; and if, upon the mend of their not being a party to any inessure finiuded tin sorb evidesiee, they were to be considered as so fur alien to the cause that no evidesse of any corruption of which they might have bees guilty could be admitted on the proceedings iu support allUrb measure, he would any that would be to narrow their pro eeedisgs by roles not of law, hut Of lailleliCe ' • and they would act disgracefully, and in a mautier highly derogatory foam their owe character, and degrading to the justice of the country. Lord Manners in a few words expressed his opinion , that a person employing Commissioners abroad to do that which he could nut do himself, became bound by the acts ut such Commissioners, soil also of noir agents. But he wished to have the opinion of the Judges on the legal question, an I their Lordships might afterwards couturier how far that ought to boot them in this particular case. The Earl of Donoughrume said, that if he thought every person who had taken the same part es he hail done in re. spect of this Bill. was to be put slow,. as approving of the condect of the agents of stir Milan Commission; if these feelings were to be attributed to those Noble Lords who sep tic -tried the Rill, be fur one would not have bren an advo cate for it. He had always looked on it as a grand and im portant inquiry, and he was happy that they had the assist mice of the 1.. rl Judges. lie did ant agree with the Noble and Learned Lord when he rani, the greater the lasi. tude which was given to the evidence the more he would he satisfied. It was only what was proper to be dose is this great cause they were to consider; they were sitting as the greatest trehonal in the coustry, assisted by the Learned Jude's, sod if they reeeivtd improper evidewce it would be layieg down a mi crab at for the Courts below. Admit ting this person was an agent of the Milan Contioussiou, and had minconthicted himself, *ere their Lordships prepared to visit his gods um those who had presented this Bill to tin it Lordships ? They were eat silting for the purpose of trying a conspiracy, bet of coming to a just conclusion on the evi dence in support and against the Bill ow their flllite. Here. after if it was necessary to inquire iota the coespiracy„ be would cuter into that inquiry, sea pay as mach 'meaties t and give it as much assistance as say Noble Lord around hire, and he was convinced if that inquiry ever did take place, that the Noble Earl with the blue 'Advised (Liverpool) mule, come het of it perfectly assented. They wave wow in possession of who were the parties in this case; they knew who the accused was, and that the accusers were the Ministers of the Crown. It certainly was very happy that that difficulty had been got over.—o(4 laugh Itedship ward he would repeal that it was very happy that the diffiralty had been gut over, for it would save their Lurdahipi from hearing goulash/us on the subject both in prose and verse He was far from not admitting that those quotations chewed great ability, whether they were selected by the person using them, or furnished to him by some kited friend, he could nut help saying, Hsieh God, the cause for using them was over lies mind un the whole question, sad it was Bible that he imolai be tamed to Stresre from ibe upi moo he had cease to—she question fur their Lordship , ' consideralloo •t present was esissiameri in user. la she. thee • question shoold he put to ?lie imizer for their legal asaiatance and opinion, of petiog a riettion to the wagons at the bar. 'Re arcutuent of the Noble Earl slid nut pto Ibis plot, it weight ten' Weimer other view of the ease, and his remote fir snaking use of that argument Ira. hist known to hiiiself. Their Lordalitm sum whether it was not more safe for the Book to cool.- isskoi . isi dos rase by those isles established by the wisdom or lb.: greatest seen thiscountris had produced—by those rules that hod bees established fur ages in the Coors. of LAW, foe wit nesses telling truth. If they were bad roles, he would agree their Lardalops shoold out abide by them, but if they de. parted foam them, they would Mee to consider the sii isatiois they would leave the esiontry its, by kiting then. they were Not to abide by soy rule of evidence.. If this wire GM ir Lordship' determination, there would fie um safety for life at prupetty. The questioa thew was, whether they would 'egoista sot shorn otiosee see applyiug as any party is the taw that was is admit of witnesses beau; produced against the Bill, to Pave that such and suck • coniersitioo had tam place betweeu them sods perm. that was lard a party to the Bill Tbei r Lordship. were Not to adonis suspiriert lass their mi.& as to any part of the evidence.. If one wit sem was proved to be corrupt, that was no reason why Cur. tropism should attach to Nouther w,taesa, and for she celskiatet of one they bad no right to rej.ct the evidrare of auoilier. The commit sad great experience of the Learned Juidgesenabled them to form • better °ponies on sasbject of this nature than other men could ; therefore it us. highly de. thimble that their Leirddiips should have the herieht of their assistance by their ',pluton so gook she in oil this important The Lord rhamellor said, that some of the Noble Lords had opposed the quesituo going to the dodges for their opi nions ; fur the col-C.IIMo of these Noble Lords, he would state why he hail proposed the question to be put to Ike lassoed Judges. Their Lordships had been eiagageil 1.. sweets 36 sod 411 slay. in investigating this hosmeas, nisi &snug that time they hail f Mowed a. closely as possible the soles of the Courts below, as to giving evidence, sod site risks df the Courts below Were not gout', the wiser they wire done away with the better. It the ire.. hoe was pet to the Judges, whether such evidence souk' be admitted into the Courts below, and they decided Butt it might, would it not be More satisfactory to their Lordship.. who might materials some slight doubts on the subject, than if they bad come to that declaims widmist ibe opuitose of theLearsied Judges? So on the us h., side, those who had doubt% whether the evieleoce ought nut to be received,wonld they out be more eitisfiesl if the Judges decided deal it was not to be received, as it would pat an end to their doubt.? Algorseell moth had bees said about Bills of Passes and Pi mattes, chi y had Nothing to do wish the subject iii disrisiusiusl. Sense of the leilifeSaril hail given evidence which, he admitted, was very suspicions, sod ought to be watched narrowly; yet the language that bad been tised regarding them was etisjust dud improper. If the Iwo 'looses of Parliament could be bruoght to be guided by the rule* of the law of evidence of the Courts below, in cases of the Bills of Pains mid Penal. lies, it would be a proud day for the country, and hereafter he would not be afraid to say, that It would he said that Bill of Pains and Penalties WWI the must koient way ui prearteediag as it regarded the accused. Much had liens said us she deciaioss their Lordships heel tome to yerteiday ; so that occasion lie hod stated, if the Judges were of a cuii trary aphelian to him he would be satisfied ; that that was podia. that he felt uo doubt on, and therefore be did slut p.ess for their diploma; lint here be had a doabi , and a con siderable one, for which reasuu be would nut follow lite same course. There were doubts sulticiesit in his maul uu the subject fur ham to move that tie qried loft should be put to she Learned Judges fur their Oeciaiou, whether in a croutuall case A. B. could give evilessire as Isi C. 113, nut a party its the Case, offeriug a bribe to P.• F. to give evidence against the seemed ? CYNIBELINE. Britnns—Cymheline, Mr. Egerton; Pulailore, Mr. Ah. hull; Car Mr. Morose.; Clnten, Mr. Farley; Moron, Mr. Chapman; Lesinatos Poithnnons, Mr. C. limbic (his fiat appearance in that character). Humans—lack o Mr. Mscreaily (his first appearance in gloat character' ; Calms Luci.ts. Mr. Yates; Varus , Mr. ferias Queen, Mrs. Faucit ; Ilelcu, Alessi Shaw; Imager, all,' Foote. Atom which, Garrick's Dramatic Romance of CY MON. Media, Mr. EV11114311; Cyrams, Mr. Daiquiri ; Davos, Mr. I.i.ton ; Liar°, Mr. TN) lot. S)lvia, MIAS Greens ; Fatima, M. Guliba; Darras, Mr* Liston. During the reetmi 11w Tbraire bar been entirely new de corated and embellielsed. A Private Box way be bui for the Season, or sightly, of Mir. Brandon, at the Box-011icv. Places for the &Well in be taken of Mr. Brandon, at the Boa-Office, Hari-situt, fro* Teu tilt Four. 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AMICABLE SOCIETY, FOR INSURANCE OF LIVES, sERJEANT's.INN, FLEEF-s - TREET, LONDON, IN uoRroRAVED BY QUEEN ANNE, 1706. . . /1111 E 1)1 It EC Ii )RS have to; to offer to the atirsition of thy TABLES ur RATES, which 'rive kern lately conspleo 41 for the INSURANCE of LIVES, ut slur ',aril'''. Ages to 72; either for the whole Life; any sl•rctfie OlllllllVr of Y.ar.; She c oo t iute u r y of ore eyr_ sun ant-wiring 311.1ibrr j Or lOr Ilse joint ronttionunte or Ike Lives or Iwo Ptisoos, Silt loi.uratter payable ow the Death of either. _ _ homelier. in obi. Other are elreeted in certain cases at a reduettun or nearly 20 per cosi. and ires the whittle on terms greatly favourable to the !mitred. Inosessiers may be elected from 2101. to 5,000/. and every kind of luau , however short the period of 111 l mice, t. .1.11111.1 10 a participation in the pecuniary silvan taus laver noh to the Co•poi.it . These adva,tag.ra are wholly appropriatid to lIIC .t 1 fit of the Insured, in proportion to the smokiest of cad. lioonance, as circumstances aim is the year in which the death happens. Of the Claims upon thi• Society whirl, became payable is roped of losurane. on the Lives of Persons wbu died is the 1.11.1 Year, Fifiy.thr.e Shares leaving made Filters Yearly Taments or more, received addition. amounting to 140 per Ceut —Aix Shares Wring made Weyer; Three Shares hawing simile Ten ; and Thom. Shares Right Yearly Pay ment", 100 per Cent.—and Thirty-three Shares having made Seven or a smaller monsher of Yeasty Tamest", received SO per (•.nl. to addition to the Sums originally nolo. mi. Aloitrorta of the Chart. ri. and By. laws, with Tah!eir of the Prentisses, may I.e had at the I Mike, where attendance a gives doily from Nine till Thief o'Cloek. By Older of the Court of Direfillf.l, J. TENSAW, Registrar. THE QUEEN'S TRIAL. HOUSE OF LORDS, TUTSDAY, OCT. 17. The Lord Chime,lher entered the Flume al a few minister b. fore Ire l'reyers were read, and the names called. A cuesariterr appeartd at the bar with p.perr crew lattwe to the revenue, 1111111 Ord MAUI. of 611,1“ expenite.l so the pooreeiltori apiiiiat her Nlajeaty the Quires —The pipeis were ordered to lie printed . The Cosisterl were the., called in. The ;Awl Chancellor then proceeded to inform their Lord ships that towards the close of the procredsmts of yesterday. u muestiuu, wh.ch wss put by the Leashed Counsel ap. pe•rilsg ors he ha If of the Cho en against the. Hill, to a wit. Hess then sodrr • ximinatsust, lead been eel.jrcirel to ley Ilse Learned Couevirl who •pprarrel 111 support or the Hill. The rotation might he rrprescuteel to their Lorilslops, and Ise tiomeld U cuss. mend gm& of conviling it to their Lord. ships' minds 5 , . I rprer...t it in the Si ; whether a (*stairs prison of the is .stir o f Vilmarrsiti, iu miler 10 sudsier other rttsuna Si, cons furwsrJ 1111 WiilWlWr. l , or geo tUrUIPh testi mony against the party mire . umil Isy she Bill, had slot offered a 4 urrept indirectness' fur that purpose'— Au subject' was Imo , properly Whew by the Leashed Counsel fur the Bill, which ul.jection was answered by the Counsel we the oils• r side, mid it bre:sine the business of their Lordships to d terinisit of that rpresti ssss could or could not M. pet. Fur hi. orris pall lw must my that the case of VII. ma.eali might stiffer much Goon ilium eases which had beets Isrlure signed, soil ou which the Hoseet hail soiled that the arts of agency issue not sir moved, as Ihal t h ey ought in Buy manner to Ohl t the rase. to slating his opinion upuu the immediate questsuis to their Lostlships, he *Hull be es. knurly sorry in 'termite that wheels had bren offered by the Leashed Coons. I who raised the objection, namely, that Vilmareali helot , only the C011:1....1 w profeseisolial Wilt Is. she Milan his arts could in in. w lee affect the tisureedisgs of that Con 'wise's. lie would lie extremely .user la Culls Ituir oral au marrow a Slew re f the cane. I."4.kilig al the evidence, lie reesseciwed that there was suf. firient proof app s that Volinareati was, in fact, an Reset of the Aldan C.,iasisission, mod ass iserat 145511 ships 1111114 COUSIder 1. ii. puu this undersmoilang of she filar, b. tated ise loose the opirsiou of the Learned Judges, arid he would Mere lose vropuse a qui:slims for direr derision, one Is 114• conceived to he alowslutsly necessary fur his own mud their Lordships* giro/ante, that they should hussar what ussuld be Ilse law and the courses'!" proceeding opus' a similar Ufe in use Courts below, taking the case to be one which iced already mused Vilmarrati sou be as agent of the Milan Consnsisaiim, awl emistilerose the fart that he hail out brew called ur • xnusiesed, mod assuming what Nord met be veer Imbed, .he had of creel tenspintsous to witnesses is sp pear...saeppesing also that me proof %weld he made owl that and of the wilwes‘es who had bees txsioniucil for the pre. NeesitsUll Med been corrupted, in such a case could evidence be admitted tu slew that any sittiope Mai 'wen Nes lo corrupt the wituemes who appeared tier the define,. & His question would be, if is the trial of a cavil action la a criminal ittdociamit, esidesce hail been gist* so the cresse.timiniustiun of the witresees examined is chief fur the Plaintiff in the civil action or in assppows of the chargowoof the indictment, from which it was to he inferred that A. 11. hail been employed to collect wit. mosses for the PlaisoilT or the prosecution, and if the De. readmit us a civil action or tooter indictment, offered proof that A. B. had gone about to induce C. I) to give rn.►upl testimony in support of the civil action or criminal charges, nn witneaa called as a witness in thief for the indictment, or the civil action burin nailer trose-examination given any proof of A. B'. corrupt agency, would tlw practice ufihe Courts below allow C. I) , a winners called for the defence, ha give prooof that A. B. had offered corrupt nsedirea to induce bins too gore false leatimouy in support of the civil suit ur the criminal charges ? Earl Grey said, that if the Noble and Learned Lord wish. col for the answer to his question as inforsuation Si. satiofy the doubts pistil seroples of h:a own mind, whirl), be admitted, the House was bosom' to consider, he had suo objections to the question hoeing ',forted to the Judges. But hr must repeat that whir+ hr haul 'observed yeatcrdry, Thal if the Joptgea should deride that Ito• practice of their Courts would Rot admit such evidence a. hail hers offer. ed, standing in their perusal situation, tooter tiro row bar eireornatances which bad come to their ,kostit s ledge they were hotrod to go into the iorestigntioto Pro posed. Lie must, therefore, whatever might be the de cision of the Judge on the Treating', still urge their Lordships to pursue the inquiry. The taw was neither inure nor le►s than that of yesterday. The facts were atruage► than before. but the material question was ilwo same. if the shirt and technical rules of other Courts excluded such information from the evidence, the rule must be applied equally to day as yesterday. For though lidinar. coil was an active agent is the buoiness of the Cons. mission, in which Colonel Brows, and Mr. Powell had a engaged, yet, as the Attorney-General had truly slated, there was OD proof of any thing more than a p►afessional agency foe their Lordships, from which it seemed that Vilmarrati had been engaged ios preparing the testiosoony brought to %Man to he examined, and nut iss proeurisig it. Boot non coNslul that %%toucan had any power or authority fo Mr. Powell or Colonel Brown too do nor • act Dos beholf of the C.oinuaissioots, outlook his prso&►sional labours of an advocate preparing tialirsionV.— flowerer strong the peculiar ciiessnastonees of this rase, it WWI materially the same as that of yesterday ; hut he• moinsaisseol that she ordinary rule was not applicable in cases of this nature. Thia was a co Polio' proceeding entirely, and why the Noble tool Learned Lord should have introdur. d She cosoader silos of what would be the course in a civil action s he could not ondersiand It was a criminal proseentoms, tend. lug to the moat serious ■nd important eonaropiroiro a ; it hail oothilog to do with a civil action. The queotiooo, if any, to be put to the Judge., el Id he, if in the eto-c of a capital indictment for that was the caze—woulol auy man say that the Illesstriusei Person OffIOWII by the 111;1 cocoon- Irrvi a let. luok than the lows of life in the loop of I 1111 l our, rank, otiosity, privileges, and chararn so, of which the lull went to olepo ice h.►l,—if is. a capital case attempt should be proved to corrupt witioessea„ 011011 e evidence (11 , 11 t the corruption born successful) bring received wont,' have proved fatal to she prisoner at She bar, the Judge would not think it necessary to relieve all Sloe tea. limomy winch had heels adduced from auspicious by going iutu the examination of that part icosiar fact If the neat, were proved or mot, the question would lw the Same. Proof Was offered of an attempt to corrupt justice in it. source. The effect of that suborned evidence, had it het II BY fool, would have been to deprive 1111 inllPttioll4l W 1111 l an of rank, stasiou, cdsaracte►, moil humour. They were bound In re move t►at evidence. Ile mold not agree with the Noble Earl that it 1/4. 1,10 late to alter the rule of law. Ile could not allow that it was doing that fur the defence which had been refused for the prosecution. It was Not eves, a new role which was asked, morels les. a partial one—it was applicable t.. anvils ■ides. If in the course of any cri 000 that proceeding a case shank' aria* which would cause them to believe that attempts hail been usade to corrupt evidence whenever such a rase should arise, they were bound to inquire into the truth, except they were de termined to shut Ilwirears against all evidence, however well calculated to she, that the whale tare upon which they were judging was the effect of a foul and corrupt conspiracy. The rule of civil actions was not applicable. (Dis Lordship referrcil to " Pbillipn a Principles of Evidence us Civil Ac town") If in a criminal proc.•as evidence ■hoold he ten dered °ratio-milt. to corrupt justice by procuring false loll y, who doer the admission were fixed me ptinciplea or Stir endol of justice required that they about., Mg turn Owir backs on tlw inquiry Pito that evidence. If they slid, they would not appear in Ilse• eyes of the public 11l Ito ilirt justice which it was their wish, us it was their duly, to o xrrule. 'rube Earl of Liverpool raid Ihet he had no doubt his Noble and Learned Friend would have 1141 objeCl to 111 rike out Iliac terms of his 4041111011 skirl) iu.ludrd the cosiaolersti 000 of a civil action. Ile reserved Ilia opinion 4111 the other branch of the 'location 'moil he heard that of she Judges; but be thriuKtit he could easily poise' not she fal lacy, if he might nue she term, of the Noble Elora plume sit situ.,,, for Epilog mire :a 1 . 4444 of I curer Immo, having nu application ininic.liatelv 141 114 e raw before the House, and nuklwing of any weighs, if proved, ter strict the issue of their inoretrlioz. Tina salsa criminal prate-door, and That only Ile could have no objection iat any oilier time to Ku loin au 1104114iry as to the (viola' of Ilse Milan Commission; but sae Ohl. III( proper time fur that inquiry ? The Noble 1. 4 41.1 4.3111, 1 1 1 at if 110. swag :1 iriellllues ofsobwu nlK willow% in the 1 . 40114 e, 1111elhl 1101 the Commit 111 be at. h'ai'l t4l exanime to is He was reedy to admit, if it could he sheer,. that any witness hail !west corrupted whir had been caanineed before them, then (.IwakinK diffidently •• an un professional semis) lw would allow such evidence might be ad. milted. But she quest' here was, slut of a conspiracy Io corrupt situ ll4l had appraieel at Oar ha, bast to corrupt witnesses that had not appeared to rive center's, for 'lac • hat usse conspiracy soul', not be Noisily iniquitous as the other he sal not contending; lint all be would say was, that was not tier question before Own'. He thought that she ivory should be (lenity proven, and that isie witnesses ought to be some of those who hail been a Li- Milled at their Loidships' has. What hr principally rose for was to impress me their Lordships one considered ttttt If they were 141 gee tutu ass inquiry as to she conduct of she Milan Cusinsiareens, he thought some notice utizlo to bare bees' given to Vilmarcati and to Colonel Mown, nod slat the r it was pulilible to silinil the evidenre 110 M offend will t admitting all lbe evidence which they might think proper to offer is explassation of their conduct; that be consiilere.l world follow as a esecessaly consequence of the aileniar. ttttt of such lestineusy. He hill 110 objection to Vilsnarcati and all 'the Cummissioncra being fallen to the bar Will examinee', Lest the doubt he had ass whether it would be relevant Su the present impory. Lord Erskine said. that he not only hail not changed the opinion which lee hail delivered yertertlay, hot having eons'. dereel tin' case, and recalled to his mt usury the practice and principles which were entre familiar to his 11111111, hr was 111114. Orford in she opinion that his Noble Friend (Earl they) was right, mud that their Lordships ought to receive Ilse evidence whirls haul been offered. He Mooch, el arrange that, after the admission hail been mark that Ilse Hums were honed by um Ictlesical rusks, beet were lie attain the truth and rol !minister substartial jounce, thud Ilse adenissi 0000 of tlus testi mony should be opposed, and in that emoinaloss• proceeding all the demelvasslaKes were still darnel upon the Queen, sad sone of the ackenstages accorded to her. Notwithstanding that sassimium, and list erdsnimiou (reluctantly made) that mithilig could make anaemia ter the illustrious are-used for tae absesce a a 'material witness, it was wee truly wishes, to OMNI thews slow.. to the risks of law, but to rules of law befall, isapplicable to the pr. seat care. Noppreing • eriasiaal lasheioneel were preferred her asburuses wig wams aping dm Qietss, mid be were lire prosecutor, be slaurild sity lie wished lint I. be &dewed I. pewee Tlw Earl of Lauderdale said, Ow qiiestion atopesred to him to be, • heilwr the House would abide by the retire of evidence of the Courts of Law or not. If the excellence of those rules were admitted in 11w Court• below, lie desired to know why they were not applicable to the bizhest as well as the lovre4 Court of Judicators-. The doubt ma his mind was, that the evidence (and hr had can fully looked it over) only applied in Vi!muesli, as the agent Of the Milan Commission in I SIO ; when it appeared from the evi dence of Mr Power, that the Milan Commis.. Mlefainctus officio in 1519. INC then could at be revivified in 1810' From the evidence of Villfinlin Otelosare, with whom Velmarrati eons, Coal, it appeared It, it at the time of the conversation he might he considered es the weent of Colonel Brown. 011 these grounds he was for referring it to the Judges for their opinion, by which opinion, until his Noble aril Learned F. Weed "wild convince hien that the established rules of evidence observed in the Court. below were not the best calculated for the iliacovery of truth, shouhl, •Ithouch as a Member of that Meow he did not think himself at all times hotrod by roods d. cia' , feel a disposition to regulate his jaelgineut on this questemi The Earl of Measly' felt marls dilfideure lei addressing their Lordships on this qacsoireso, after thievery able and con vincing arguments which they had beard from his Noble and Learned Friend (Lord Erskiue), and it was with great melee. twice that he ruse to express his difference its opinion with his Noble Friend (Lord Lloodsodale), the whole of whose rondoet throughout these proceediags he highly esteemed. His Ni.ble Friend had said, Ought you nut to he b o und by the roles of 'violence iu the Courts below, because the experience of ages had Aeon that they were in general the hest caletulated fur the di.covei y of hullo?" He (Lewd Rosalyn) admitted the fact, and he admitted the religion ; he 'bought the rules of the Comets below were the best adapt ed fur regulating the proceedings Lietween parties fairly op. posed, and lie could well feel the necessity of not allowing any deviation from those rules in general caves, on amain of any peculiar township they might impose on either album parties, because any benefit which might be so gained by an individual was nut to be put in romp. tilion with the public interest in the •trady and fixed course of the administration ..f justice. Rot in this proceeding, though they bad top use side a party whose whole interest Will al slake, vet On lie other there was no party who could at all lie pre judieril by any deviation frum the ordinary rules. They were not now trying an issue at the Posit of the Crown, or a peyote infermation, the matter of which fell within the fair .cope and known limits of the eidablislied law; but they were engaged in the coissiilerati tttt ofa new law, the penalties of whirls were to be applied to acts fur which the individual charged with them was utit aseiroable fussy law previously ex • it g; fir it had been allowed un all handg, nay the pro. ..... ters of this Bill themselves had said that if that individual hail tweet tried by any of the laws which were supposed to apply to her earner, she could not he found guilty (Mar, hear!l—lt was on tient very circumstance that this Bill was ate I that they hid called on the party to show why it should not pass into a law. That party had undoubtedly a right il) phew, if it could be ;hewn, that the allegat 00000 a on which the Bill uses founded were fake, and theta the Bill routs; not pass, for be believed that no man wooed he bold mooch t., say, that without guilt poi utsliment "nicht to lie iieflicied —(fiegie!)--Now who was the tither party to thin Bill—the party said to be interested its asepporoeug it ? The Stair. It was said to be expedient fir the interests of the State, that an individual committing certain acts, should lie degraded from her rank in the Stale; although by these acts she hail violated No law by which de gradation was declared to be the punishment •lienaling them. Their Lordships hail adopted the p.m of the Stale iu this cote, by oeileriog the Bill to be pent...vied in, and by coin. minding the Attorney. General to appear fur the porpoise of upenieetc the ease for the Bill, and of bringing forth the petiole In support of that ease ; they were now deliberating uu ihe question whether they would exercise their legislative (tool oohs iu dies way—but it also now became a question fur thew consideration, •Iwitwr a conspiracy had nut been en tered Oleo to deceive them by false evidence.—(Haar, bear) He din not charge the coespirocy against the prosecutwr ; he did nut charge it against the party to the Bill; be did sot charge it sigeiust the Milan Commission ; nor was he hound to prove the cottesexion of any those parties with it. Ile would say that it was quite suffieient to compel them to go eat., she cooisideration of this question that such a con. .piracy could be proved he exist ; and it was not st all ow ceasary to prove that it was the act of ageless sent from this rottenly. He WO4llll put a case: Suppose any foreign power, nay of the States of Germany, for Assignee, not actuated by motives of revenge agsiond the individual, not protein. el by motives of interest, bat under the in- Beweece of any motives whatever, *lmola either by bribes, or promises, or threats, have corruptly indorse-eat witnesses to give evideore before th •ir Lordships in support of • Bill of Patens sail Frontiers, would soy one say that they could not receive evidence in moo( of 'tech corruptioss of the wit. swag, because it was out the set of the piety our of his agent, booed • peromi nut at all connected with the party to the Bill ? Tel heft it WAS Wild such evidence was to be refugee' beesooe it did Not prove I hat any of the witnesses is the ramie had hero corrupted. But he moat say, that whew a witoess had •Ireaely taken the bribe, it became a matter almost of impress. gelidity to prove it by the strict roles of evidence; fur yen could nut get the feet (ruin himmaelf. But Witte suborner failed in corrupting other parties than those who become witoesars in the cause, such failure led to the only way by which they could arrive at the fact of his having socconled in corrupting any. if such attempts as he had been describing had bees perpetrated by any person is this country, Weis 14 OM their Lordships home acemosted it • high crime, and a daring Irmo of Me Frieder* of that douse' dod 'mild they not have adored e'er, means Earl Grosvenor—This certainly is a subject of the greatest importance, in whatever view it was considu red, and he would very shortly state his resitons for the opinion he hail come to. He agreed it was important, at all times, to have the upinime of the Learned Judges; but hi would tell their Lordships, let the opinion of the Yarned Judges be what it might use this subject, he would be still of opiuitin that the question ought to be pest to the withess. Ile had out before stated his opinion 1111 this subject, because it was much better dune by his ?futile frueuds near him. He would not disznise his real sentiments ; he always thought tie present pruceedisg was cutstraly to the Coastituthen of the country, and of alt law. Having made up his opinion au ibis most material point, be considered any eitlwr part of the loitered lugs as deserving wily a minor consideration, for &flee her Majesty was permitted to return to this country the present prosecution ought Never to have been iastituted, tor it rested with Isis Majesty whether the Queer Consort should ever be crowned with hint. In regard to the immediate question under their Lordships' cousidetatiou, he would agree that they ought to confine themselves as nearly as possible to the rules of evieleisce of court* of law ; hut if there ever was a case which required precedents to be departed from, this was that ease. Throughout the whole business, it was impossible nut to dud that Vilinareati was au agent from the tom mew-enema of it. It certaiii'y was nut denied, but be was told he was sot a party to the case. He would ask their Lord ships bow be could be a party He could nut be brought forward as a oases., for be was so clothed with crime that his evideace world rut he received ■t their bar.—(Hene, keer."—Was he to be tutu the. that this was nut the time to inquire into the conspiracy? be would tell their Lordships this was the tim►, sail the only time, that the inquiry should be made, for it was the time when the conspiracy began to de velope itself. Was it when the evidence haul been goat through, atoll the effects of it felt by the accused, that the inquiry into the conspiracy was to he made ? He, fur use, would ray Nu. It bad beets already proved by two witnesses, that &Mello had offered money to persons to give evidence against the royal accused, sad that afterwards he was sent out of the country. Whether lie was seat out through proper or im proper motives it is not fur me to say; but it is it evidence lwfore your Lordships that he has breu sent out of the corn. try, sad that by a responsible agent on the part of the Bill— and theta is it because Vilerareati has not Weis celled as a witness that the conspiracy is nut to be inquired into? If be was in the country could they detain him is it? It was proved to their Lordships that they could nut, by Nastelli being siert out of it. In the early part of the proceeding he hail proposed that a abort Bill should he parsed in the other Howse of Parliament, to previ eat the witnesses front leaving the country until the troth of their evidence bad been nn- Tared into. Oa that ocessiou be was told that such a thing site (Liverpool) had said it would be quite unneces sary, and gave his assurance that the witnessus, at any time, would be forthconimg; mid he would ask their Lordships, how was of slum that Itastelli had been sent out of the eituatry ? If Vilasareati was here, there was s doubt they wooed keep bias u more than laetrile. Thew the course row offered is be pursued by her Majesty. Counsel was the only bustourable vac for their Lordahips to pursue; it world prove that they were not stamhog us strict technical forms, bat that in this grays ismairy it was their intertiou to do jostles to all parties. If the Ltanteel Judges, whore 'pietism. he had always revereseed, aboald decide that the wigwam slootoW out he examined on this paint, he would still consider it the duty of their Lord ships to make the hurley; and ►owever it might bort their feelings to differ from the Judges, it was still their duty to are that jostle..d was dose is the Royal eiecosed. Lard Restesdale--The Noble Earl who bid jut est thine bad told their Loedships that be had made op The Marquis of Lansdows objected to Ibe risestioa bring sent to she Judges fee their decision, on the goosed of the peculiar silents.). their Lordships were placed us. They were bound to look at the case an ose stauding shoe, and not depesdiug on any sales of Courts below. He was con vinced that he was correct is stating this, from the able and constitutional opislior gives by his Noble and Learned Flirted (Lord Erskiue) its his speech, stud he had .o dint. i ulty is saying, tbst their Lo.dships were not bound to act by the rules of the Courts below. The Noble and Learned Land we the %Vouhack certainly must have uuderstood that it was stated by her Majesty's Counsel, that the wastes was not produced to give evidesee as to any poetic..s that hail been practised agaiust the royal accured, but that Vil nsarcati omitted to get papers out of his, the wituem's, pus. session. There was a suaterial differesee between that and a person bribtug another to give evidence mealiest her Ma jesty ; but in judicial ...ids the crime might be the saner. De agreed with the Noble and learned Lord (31suorrs) iot his view of the CAW, that improper practices might hive bee. used by both parties to get witioesses to give evidence, and that their Lordships ought not to be Spade the dopes of either party. It was on sisal probability that lie did not support the motion of his Noble Friend yesterday. He, however, maimed that the conduct or vant.rcat, uu z bt be inquired into, and he beard the objection to that inquiry Oils astonishment, as it appeared in every page of the minutes of evidence that he was acting with the Milan Cum. mission, that be was in the confidence of Colonel Moen, Mr. Cooke, add Mr. Powell ; his situation was then knowis sod ackinowledged, nut only as au efficient agent, but a con fidential one fur the accusers. It had been said by the. Noble and Learned Lord on the IToolsack that this case had been hitherto acted on according to the strict risks of evideoce its the Courts below, sold he bad put it to their Lordships whether they would now part front that rule. He would tell that Noble and Learned Lord that they had not &Abend to it in the case futile against the Queen—that even after the question had haeo put to the Learned Judges for their opium., and they had given it, their Lurd.hips went from that &coon, anal put another question to the educes. It was to be found iii page 462 of the minutes. The question was put to Itacehi by lea Majesty's AtiornerGeneral," Did any use of the Monet its its London make any proposition to yen, as to your slot nob. ing forward as a witness against the Queen r He would ask what was the object of this question li could be for Soother purpose than to discover if Marietta was an agent lifths Queen. Now I do contend that in substance you did bring out pre cisely that which the Counsel under the uposion at it, Judges were not permitted to bring oat, namely, the venation that passed between Sbectsi and Marieto. It far nu other reason but that auspiciou arose in your L.A.:- ships' mind, that Marietti might be an agent of the QUICCIi. and unduly employed, although there was re proof of such employmesd, your Leadalops were Induced, fur the purpose of eliciting the troth, to discover what passed b. twren Ma. riesti, its comer...alio. with Seceld, on this subject. My Lords, I say, when it is supposed and al by the Come. earl at the bar, that they ran payee the evistesim of a COININo racy, it Is your duty to admit it us be g..ne into at the wise when it is meat temporise.. Can any Noble Lord suppose that this alleged conspiracy ought to be inquired into, sad yet contend that it ought sot to be inquired into now ? ( Hear, heor.)—l say, if it is sot inquired into sow, that it sever can be isipond into at all - , -(Hoor, lour.)—lf it is iguissired into hereafter, NMI, of the good . feels can revolt from it. Good God, my Luella ! if a cosispirsey has mimed fur the purpose ..f producing swirliest. agaiwel the Chem, are we epos that evidence to depose the Quells, sad having deposed her from the throne, are we to turn rowed mid say, now we will esquire labs the eirseparacy ?—(Loodi cheers ) We hem all heard of the Bast of Wsewirk, the soaker and stemma of Lisp, sod I comma we are lo become the anehme isod deposers of Qmsene, or rather the deposers and oishers tsf elltelell•4110., Ord 0( lag we are to go info the SsuipaSey,, ! , . ..). ~... - (iff4 fAr ' a) th r,o h4-P . . :Not' Celli 7 6 - t)h; • 1. lasi • V 4 . . . • . IL\ tett 4 it t IP. N.;ollhr * . . . .