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IMPIRUL P.4IRZI4MENT. HOUSE OF LORDS-.Fato•a, Stith IS. Counsel were heard at considerat.M length, in continuation, respelling the Appeal Ctioe, from Chancery, Seymour e. leitzur. To proceed again to-morrow. Berg Assent was given by Cemmiwien to this Income Irish Sups Duties the Irish Stamp Dune., the Usk Wows Act Repeal Bill; and to twelve Bills of vale mad laealdOtription. Leah Cosamtwiewors were, th e Lord Chancellor, Lord . COMMONS. EXCHEQUER, animated h and delivered a mes• that House required relative to a ►object and the intercity of deeply coneeroed the bar, their Lori. Commons should be r. Arid the Depute again at the Bar, they Commons the Chelsea h Malt Duties BM. brought up from the Byns, Jeddrell, Gra which the greater part deputation to t onnage Lordship:; accordiney Radnor and Romney, Vit. Lords Holland, Raw itrierdale, were nominated. Putted Chamber, to meet wet eight or nine minutes, t Duke of NORPOLIC the conference with the. y Lord Henry Petty, and cated a resolution to their firms bad come to a vote, injurious to the repute 'he ptinctples of hum ; they should proceed take meevtees with a the Earl of Aboyne, from etutain Per's of Earls of Selkirk, Had -- Subscribers, in re. ....osnances of the resent teprerentative Loids, a Peer of of which, ■o sum. • new Represonutive of Union, injurious to United Kingdom, etc. would take the same ordered to Ile en the Table. After 1 sheet ceneenatton between the Earls of Lauderdale, labor. tad Lord Helfand, which seemed to originate in soma regal erg that had obtained during the temporary exclusions of manger% 06k former days, it was, the relevant standing order basing bees pregiuusly taken ipto consideration, or dered us this *fem. that the disc allowed by the standing **dews for entering protean, as far as respected the triak of l. erd Visceens bitelvdle, be extended until Tuesday neat. NSW MUTINY 1111.1. The Order being read, which was one of those tarn 'Allah their Lordships were anstienoned, for going into a Committee on the above Bill, the Venue resolved itself into the same accordingly, lord illalsiesgbarn in the Chair. Alm &shoot previous conversation. of an expla ining*, between the Earls of Westmorland . as to the :solar mode of discussing the • or elillittelfilt of the Bill, which it ap sieri= ragwas is one of the schedules, Earl of WESTMORLAND rose, and in t= of considerable length, *stressed his ob. to the clan alluded to. (Our very re striesed limits confine os to a brief and very general WaSsilseat of what took place.) The Noble Earl =dto the clause, which went to authorise, ge throughout the army. enlistments for a li. enind term of years,iestead of the unlinsitednumbers. Which before generally prevailed. He censured it . ali ',Willa& groonds ; chiefly on its being not only sammelsory, but highly injurious to the state of abseipliee, and well-being of the army ; and, also, as such a general legislative provision trenching es. she Royal Prerogative. The customary Oath introduced into the Mutiny Bill, he considered of a civil nature and operation, and no way sighing His Majesty's Prerogative. There were bet two instances of an attempt of the kind Wag made before ; one of these was during the Administration of Lord Bolingbroke, in 1712 ; and the second was moved by the late Mr. Thomas Pitt, in the year 1750. He admitted the Royal Prerogative had, in some instances, been altered, and, perhaps, upon ;ust and sufficient rounds ; but is had never been attacked in such a general and extensive manner, is by the present till,and which was rendered the more censurable, as the attack was by a side wind. On occasions of real necessity. no Prince had ever shewn a greater readiness to sacrifice considerations of prerogative to those of the welfare of his subjects. His Lordship then went into a variety of calculations, with a view to shew, that the effeft of the provision would be injurious to the Recruiting service; and instead of eventually increasing, would go to diminisn, the somber of the army.—He particularly dwelt upon the peculiar cite-sawyers at the country, wish respell to its distant Colonial possessions--in which view, the discharges on the expiration of the terms of years, may prove destrutive, and he instanced seine cases. wherein, to a considerable extent, the unlion:ed service was preferred by those who entered —He deprecated all schemes and spe sutations, especially in the present state of the country. in which measures should be cautious ly adopted, and en the surest grounds. lie con 'lured any regulations which tended to introduce a . state of citizenship among the soldiery ! and ope rated, as he coatende i that ander consideration, eventually would, to disorgadme the army. That the regulation would operate injutiously, as well in point of f .1! rt:c economy, as is every other point of view, was plain from the consideration, that sol diers, when their times were expired, instead of re entering Iwo their own corps, would enlist in other tegiinehts, and so obtain the full bouuty. After ad ducing a number of other arguments, and describing Cie comparatively advantageous and superior state in whicn too empire ma.; found by the present Mi sister:, which be could not avoid charafterisinp, as •• 'lie terirth of its power and glory !" the Noble Vail constoded by moving, in the way of anicnd mee.t. in oe.ior to obviate the provision in qoestion, •• that ...ertain words in the schedule A be emitted." On tire sioe.tion bring put. II ail `L i....N.i. hit rote, and ia a speech of *early Atteiiet74 — , mat CON FEREN CIL I. I ViTH THE CO The CHANCELLOR of the =CHEW beers! Ilember., appeared at the Bar, at Rego Ibm the Commons, impce tine that th • aim* isteforelles with their Lordships, n to name the lumstatba of the Country, a, baliehley, fasiiay sed round poker, Irma a AAet the tileesmagam bad retired from II tint • esaierence wan the Cr in the Painted Chamber. *Me M Cmarera appearing again Rea ishammi of the same. Alemauder bought se from the Care iraftejeaere BUI, and be Additional Irish hi A meat number of dinette Bala were b Orldefoo. bf Sir K. B. Folkes, Mewl. B BIM, sal atm Gentlemen; and of etre usesetintneled mod a first nma The Umli their preceded to select a del Illastaakaratte ID the part of their Lordshif Ora M.M d Nerfolir, dm Earls of Radnor UM W& &Amp of St. Asaph, La plenburough, and Lauderdal trips preceded to the Pontef shad instretho Camegans a.ri, in shoot rig Shea Ler*thigs catutiled ; •haii the Duke e ffect. that they had had the c =m 1011 ons, whit were represented by Lore ether Member , . grim had communicated a hue bier, that the Huse of E.iremoss that the nhieen Slaws Trade was injuri tioa of the country, and rontpiry to the Wry, justice, and round polier..-and that • ire the twat Seseiesi of farlisment to sal Wan le the total abolition thereof, &c. SCOTS PEERAGE. Sere& ?whims WI" presented by th f . lated Inudrrdate, aod other Pearl, froi Seethed, among whom were, the Earl. diners', Weinr, Lord Sinclair, &c. as fierenee, MB we could conga, to the cecure ' cresatwe of .me of the Scots Reprerental the United IL isegdera I in consequence memo Wag NINA for the election of a reef, Centrary to the spirit of the Act of ANA rights as Peen of that part eikthe u Aa.; sad playing that their Lordships w lout their 9.60111 consideration, &e. ihe IPetitiees ware, for the 'warrant, TAAL equal lends with that of the Ncble Lord *hp pre ceded him, supported the Bill in its present shape, and argued for the expediency .and beneficial ten. dency of the clause, sn much the object of the Noble Earl's censure. He denied that it in - ringed in - the slightest degree upon the Royal Prerogative ; an ohjzction of the kind was never thought of, though various Acts of a similar kind had passed. espe. cially in 1756, when a term of five years enlistment was proposed, and these expired in 1761, one of the hottest periods of the seven year's war ; and since that time, frequent Acts for enlistment, for three, or five years, or during the pending wars, had passed the Legislature. lie did not diem it necessary to follow the Noble Earl thtough his various calculations ; most of Vlem were totally inapplicable to the topic under consideration, and the power reserved in the schedule, for extending the term of services would, he thought, do away all obje6tions whatever to the measure, the adoption of which, as settled in the Bill, he would most stre nuously recommend their Lordsh;ps to adopt.— He must, of course, resist due Noble Larrs amend- ment. The Earl of WESTMORLAND, in explana tion, contended, that these acts of the Legislature, to which the Noble Secretary had referred, were very different in their principle, as well as bearing and effea,from the measure now under consideration, which went to prevent the King from enlisting a soldier on any other terms than those prescribed in the Clause. Lord BORINGDON, in a short speech, sup pot tea the amendment of his Noble Relative, who had just sat down. The Eatl ot CARNARVON supported the Bill in its present shape. The Duke of MONTROSF., in an able and ar gumentative speech, supported many of the leading positions of the Noble Earl who opened the dis cussion. The Duke of GLOUCESTER, in a short but spirited spec :h, supported the measure ; from which he felt co..rident of the most beneficial results. His Highness expatiated on the inducements which the option of enlisting for limited service would hold forth to young men to enter into the army. and described the pleasing and attraltive scenes, which might attend the return of the young soldier into the bosom of his family, in the prime of life. after having fought the battles of his King and Country. His Highness was heard with the greatest attention. and loudly cheered from the Ministerial side of the House. Earl GROSVENOR followed, and offered se veral arguments In favour of the Bill. Earl CAMDEN spoke in support of the Amend ment. The Earl of LIMERICK followed on the same side, and in a speech of some length, delivered with his accustomed ability, opposed the measure. He spoke decidedly in support ot several of the Noble Earl's positions, who proposed the amendment ; particularly the consideration of the colonial pos sessions of the country, which placed it in a very different situation with respell to its military sys tem, from that of every country in Europe; and he also adduced some instances to shew where the plan of enlisting for the unlimited. was mere pro dudive in obtaining men, than of the limited ser vice. Lori KING displayed his usual talent in sup porting the measure. The Earl of HARDWICKE was inclined, from his view of the subjea, to support the amendment. The Earl of BUCKINGHAMSHIRE supported the Bill in its present shape, which, in tai, he thought no more militated against the Royal Prero gative, than any of the Mutiny Bills their Lord ships were in the habit of passing yearly. The Earl of ROSSLYN, in an able speech of considerable length, supported the Bill in its pre- sent shape. Lord HAWK ESBURY, in a very animated and able speech, in the course of which he made use or many arguments, already before our readers in former debates, c‘...sidered the present mode and the extent of it, as one entire system against all authority ; it was a measure idle, inexpedient, and in a great degree desperate. The clause introduced was not a furtherance of the Prerogative of the Crown, but a limitation, by which His Majesty was precluded from raising men either for a limited or a more extensive period. As a measure of experi ment, lie had no objection to giving it a fair trial, but would not have it applied as a general measure, extending to the whole army ; as an experiment he would offer a bounty of 16 guineas for enlistment for life, and 12 for a limited period, seethe effett of this, and then either adopt or rejedt it, as would [be found expedient ; but, he again repeated , that the present mode was not only idle and unnecessary , but desperate and dangerous. Lord HOLLAND replied at some length ; but after the sound, true, and genuine doctrine with which the measure had already been discussed, and the able statement of an illustrious Personage (the Duke of Gloucester) he did not think it necessary to •enter it 'urge lettrthe subject. HiiiNt adverted to the various topics made use of io the course of the Debate, he considered the question to be, whether an alteration in the army was, or was not necessary ? upon this, there could be no difference of opinion. He admitted a large army was dangerous to the liberties of the people ; but when it was ab solutely necessary, it 'knot,' he done in the way most consonant to the feelings of humanity and sound policy. The Earl of MOIRA felt himself personally called on to answer some observations of a Noble Earl (Westmorland) relating to the artillery, who were enlisted for a limited term ; they were known to be the best disciplined, and horn the advan tages arising horn that service, a man considered it a great disgrace to be dismissed. As a military man he must say, the opinions of Gen iral Officers al. luded to, could not have been taken with reference to the present situation of affairs. With resprd to general principles, he most sincerely considered it the moist useful provision that could be adopted. Lord MULGRAVE, at some length, strongly deprecated the principle of the Bill, particularly as far as it related to the &sells:l 6 e of wen in the time of war. Lord GRENVILLE, in a most able and con vincing speech, which we lament that our limits prevent us from giving, defemir(l the measure be fore their Lordships. Iti leakit-g pia‘ipir, he said, had emanated from the great mind of the Statesmati whom the toiletry Lamented, with whom he had repeatedly held converse nn Ow sub , jeti, and who, until very lately, in this life, had entertained a conviction of its expediency sna jus tice. His Lordship hiving concluded, .he House divided upon the Amendment.—Contents, 54 Non-contents, —Majotity, 57. The Bill then passed through the Committee, and their Lordships stand summoned for Vriday on the second resding.—Adjourned at Three o'Clock. HOUSE OF COMMONS. Mr. Quarme, the Deputy Usher of the Black R d, ap peared at the Bar , and •ummonerl the liouie to ',mod in the House of Lords, to hear the Ite),tl Assent given by Cummissom to rertAtit The Speaks went a,cooliogly, and nn his return informed the House, that the Lords had agreed to the Irish Export 2,1,1 Import Kill, the Irish Stamp Duty Bill, the Irish Additional Forue Repeal BM, and to several petite Bill'. A short c orive,ation took place on the nun reading of the Gleam Invitiance Collimation Bill, and the Debate wee recd to be ad,•ounted to Tuv.day. CONFERENCE WITH TILE LORDS. Lord H. PETTY reported at the bar, that he had been at the FIOUSIB of Lords, to desite a Conference on the Resolution respecting the Abolition of the Slave Trade, and that a COM. mitts, had been appointed to manage the conference on the _ . part of the Lords. His Lordship also reported that he had delivered to the said Managers a Copy of the Resolutions of the House on Tuesday last, which the Managers had carried to that Lords. and that the Lords wuald send an answer by a Messenger of Oi! the Excise, Mr. Kempe, from , present count of the Ditties of Excise outstanding in 180:i and 1806, pursuawt to Order.—Ordered to lie on the tittle. Sir C. Price brooght up a Petition from the Merchants and Dealers in Thread Lace of the City of London, against the Thread Lace gill.—Ordered to lie on the table. Mr WICKHAM moved fora Copy of any Article or Arti cles relative to theT aaaa y between this Country and the Court of Bavaria, in 1500; also a Copy of the Instructions to Cie Commissaries; and a Copy sof the Crinserissioo appointing the said War. Wickham Commissary General in Germany, to gather with {Atter' Imre hint to the Comminarietvelative to the execution of their Duty.-w Ordered. Mr. C. GRANTmowed fur a Copy of the Report of the Committee of Correspondence with the Court of Directors, of the $J October, 1504, on the subject of the Carnatic Debt:, with the heads of the Plan proposed for the arrangement of the fled at the Bar an Ac same —Ordered. Lord-HOWICK gave notice that he would, on Monday, move for leave io bring in a Bill to extend the provision of Pay to Seamen —AI3:I a Bill to extend the same to the Marines. Sir P. MOORE moved for Copies of several Papers rela tive to India.—Ordered. '. Mr. Secretary Fox brought up the Slave carrying Rill, which vim read a first time, ordered to be priu:ted, and read • second time en Tuesday. Sir J. Sinclair brought up the Report on the Broad-whmiled Waggon Road Bill.—Ordered to lie on t h e table. Sir J. NEWPORT moved, " that the Pitts relating to the Election of M lathers of Parliament be entered, as read ;" which being done, he moved for leave to bring m a Bill to amend the said Aets.—Ordered. He also moved for leave to bring in a Bill for regulating and securing the Collection of the Duties on Spirituous Liquors distilled in Ireland —Ordered. He then moved, " that the Acts of 10 Geo. 1, and 3 Geo. I, be entered as read," which belts done, he moved fin leave to bring in a BO to amend the said Acts. The Right Hon. Baronet then gave notice, that he would en Monday move for leave to bring in a Bill to amend the Wish Spirit Licence Act. Mr. BERNARD moved for an Account of the different Sums of Money expended on the Port of Dublin, by the Di- rectors of Inland Navigation, stating the authority on which the said Directors have expended the same.-iOnleted. WF.ST INDIA AUDITORS' BILL. Lord H. PETTY moved the order of the day for the House to go into a Committee on the West India Auditors' Bill, which being read, his Lordship said, that before he moved that the Speaker do leave the chair, he would wish to make a few observa tions respecting the objects of the Bill, by way of obviating the objections thrown out against it on a former night by the Right Hon. Gentleman op posite to him (Mr. Rose). He then stated, that in the year 1300 and 1801, Commissioners were sent out to the West Indies, for the purpose of investi gating and auditing the public accounts in the dif ferent islands; that they proceeded in the execution of the trusts reposed in them, but found the ac counts so complicated, and so much mixed with accounts kept in England, that they could not pro ceed with any effect, and were therefore under the necessity of sending home one of their number, (Mr. Bearcroft) to communicate their difficulties to the Treasury, at the risk of the Commissioners on the islands being at an entire stand.—Mr. Lear croft arrived in England in 1804, and in the course of that and the year 1805, took examinations of the accounts in England, for the purpose of detecting the various frauds that had been committed.—ft was, however, found, in consequence of these exami nations, that none of the ?.tors of the abuses in the West Indies, could be called to an account with any effect. 'l'ie principal object of the present Bill was to examine into the former powers, and to give the Commissioners snore extensive ones. And in order to obviate the inconveniencies and dif ficulties which have antecedently occurred, so as to frustrate the intention of the Legislature, and all the efforts of the Commissioners, who had been obliged -WahaglAa DSO of their members, shire ure-wther provisions in the Bill, to form a new Board, one 1 .10 part of which. shall reside in the West Indies, and the other in England, which two Boards shall continually correspond with each other, and communicate such difficulties in the \'..-A Indies as cannot be cleared up without communications from home. Thus, the two Boards would be en abled to make ci ntinual protTrers in the investiga tion and auditing of the accounts. No time would be lust, as had been the case in sending home Mr. Bearcrolt ; the Commissioners would, on the con trary, be efficient ; and how the Right Honourable Gentleman could call it a sinecure, he was at a loss to accost t for. There was also a clause in the Bill, empowering the Treasury to appoint Clerks aud Sccreraries, but rot Commissioners, as had been stated by the Right Honourable Gentleman. Hav ing made these observations, he would suove, '' that the Speaker do now leave the chair." On the question being put, Mr. ROSE said, the Noble Lord could not be more desirous to have the abuses in the West Indies inquired into, and redressed, than he was. He therefor e wished for an effeelual Bill to answer so desirable a purpose ; where he had, on a former nigla, laid the greatest stress, was on the Commis sioners at home ; he did not object to the appoint ment, by the Treasury, of Clerks and Secretaries, but only to Commissioners, with such a salary an us:x.oJ to t .cir employment. He had looked into every Act or Parliament, and could find no instance where the appointment of Commissioners 'was made by the Tr-astiry. He olijeard also to the informality of the Bill ; by one clause the Kirg har a power, and by another the Treasury si.a.l be at liberty to appoint another Commissiourr, and also Secretaries. In all former Acts, the appointment was aiss sys made, either by Act of Parliament, or by the gong. under the Great Seal. As the last Bill went only to the examination of accounts during the last war, he had no objection to its being repealed. His grand objection was to the two Commissioners who are to remain at home, and who will have very little to do. He had conversed with Commissaries, Deputy Corn. missaries, Public Accountants, and almost every description of persons who had been conversant 'us those matters, and they all agreed, that no audit. except on the spot, could be of any use. It was, therefore, provided in the last mt, that the certifi cate of the Commissioners should go to the Com missioners for auditing the public account* and he would have the same done now ; he was sure it would at least be done as efferneally, it not more so. He thought the Commissioners at home unnecessary, when he last spoke on the business, and he still con. tinned of the same opinion ; and he should, there fore, think it Iris duty to take the sense of the House on it. Mr. FOX said, that he had himself experienced the difficulty of finding proper candidates to go to the West Indies, as some of those he had applied to for that purpose, said, their situation was not so bad as to require it. If Mr. Bearcroft. who came over in an ill state of health, was found useful, for inves tigating accounts here, surely Commissioners, atmed with proper powers, must be more so. Mr. PERCIVAL said, that if Commissioners were to be paid here for doing nothing, it would be still more difficult to prevail upon them to go over in rotation, than it would be in the first instance ; as a man may excuse himself by say ing, that when he first engaged himself, he was single, but had been since married, and would not. leave his famly to fulfil his engagement. Mr. Rearcroft was found useful, from the local know ledge he obtained, while with the CG17111116. shapers in the West Indies ; hut by this Bill. theie would be three Commissioners of accounts at home do.ng nothing, and only appointed for the sake oh patronage, while there would be only two abroad actually executing all the business. Nothing was a greater proof of the patronage, than the con fession of the Right Hon. Secce.ary, (Mr. For) who acknowledged that he offered situations in a departmer.t with which he had no official com►exion. The House then resolved itself iuto a Committee on the Bill, (Mr. Hawthorn in the chair.) The first Clause being read, Lind HOWICK explained. that all it enacted was, that in case of the death of one of the Commis sioners abroad, the oilier may appoint the Secrete: y to act as a Commissioner, ad lidera*, till the pleasufe of His Majesty should be known ; and atter a long conversation between S:r Win. Young, Mr. Rose. Mr. Percival, and the Attorney-Ger.eral, the Clause was agreed to. On the clause being read for the appointment of Lye Commissioners toe auditing accounts, two teal in the West Indies, and three at home, Mr. ROSE objeded to it as an unneenifsey sad unprecedented creation of new and sinecure e lem. merely for the purposes of patronage. He stated. that so far was this from being sardioned by the example of the Board of Treasury, under which he had the honour to ad, that in nineteen years that Board suppressed upwards of one hundred sinecure places, of from 20001. to 8001. a year. Two sinecure place. of 80001. a year, and which at this titre would have amounted to 40,0001. were vacant, and in the gift of his Right Hon. Friend deceased, (Mr. Pitt), but instead of nominating to them, and this extending his patronage, that great Minister sup. pressed them, as he did all the others, when vacancies occurred. There were at one time forty of them vacant, and he suppressed them all, a IA which he was ready to prove, if any Gentleman thought proper to dispute it; for there was nothing he had more at heart, than that the condu3 of that Board, during the L 9 years that he belonged to it, should be examiued into. There was no danger of any persons now flying from the West lathes to this country, to escape inquiry, on they would be equally liahle to it here, since the passing of the Act of 1802. As he considered this new creation to be a matter of patronage and mere formality, without producing any benefit whatever, he should. • on a future day, move for an elimination at the Bar, to inquire what use they could be of. Mr. FOX expressed his surprise that gentle men should put this Bill on such a footing. as to suppose that three Commissioners here, in conger* correspondence with the commissioners abroad. could be of no use to the auditors of public accounts. As to their refusing to go abroad in rotation, that was no more to be expelled than in other branches erf 'entice, where gentlemen accepted of employ malts subjefl to all the contingencies that belonged to them, and indeed there was the lees chance a: such a refusal, as, after residing two years in the West Indies, they would also in the same rotation come back again. Amongst the many virtues of his Noble Friend (Lord Grenville) now at the bead of the Treasury, industry and attention were far from being excluded; and he would pledge lea life and reputation. that if the situations or these Commissioners should turn out to be mere sinecures* instead of being laborious and operative, the BJard of treasury would be greatly mistaken in v.hat it was about. Mr. ROSE moved an amendment, .t that 'ported of five, there should be only three Commissio.xrs." Lord CASTLEREAGH argued against the clause, at considerale length. the principal points he dwelt upon were, that it was an alarming thing for the House to be now called upon IQ create An ad ditional class of Auditors, who, if they were t) ::a operative, would render the final Auditors, to whore the country looked for responsibility, a mere sin:. cure. Upon the whole, he could see only three effeets th tt could arise from it.. Either this neat creation would embarrass the existing Auditor-, '' .7 they would turn them into sinecures, or he ,n..- cures themselves, in any of which cases he Hitt consider the measure to be mischievous. Mr FOX adverted to the observation made, 1 its being a proof of the patronage, that ha bad of feral IP. n 4 that wori in ti k3n , whn the, Inn wh,. Itnu' , lifie Teat Nn COT Pan VOL crc stu; cn•l the lift mu via gala a., Th the er lie in