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LAL PARLIAMENT. ROUSE OF LORDS, FRIDAY, APRIL 2. lag took place before four o'clock, some private business was disposed GRANTHAM took the oaths and his hips then adjourned &wink pleasure, 'ye the House resumed. Were administered at the Bar to War - Estkin reference to his intended re their Lordships's Select Com ma' the consideration of the affairs (erred. Adeohn, and several other witnesses, Ia sworn to the same effect. DERBY presented a Petition from n Lancashire, against the renewal alia Company's Charter. presented a Petition from Barn- Citfty of Devon, against. the 'Ca- presented one from certain Ship ,thers of the Town and Port of Ips the employment and registering of in Asia ; as British ships, &c. Intents being read, were severally or in the table. PNCIFIC PETITIONS. .wt) stated he had,a number of Pe ' to the House, respecting which, not mean to ground any motion. should beg' leave to say a few , theit nature and object. He was ,at the splendid. successes of our ritinent would induce- his Majesty's to take the opportunity, in-concert ies, to enter upon some negociation %e blessings of peace, upon terms slid advantageous. If any project of , likely to be entertained by the Prince Ilittisters, he thotight not a moment lost before the attention of the People lament was tailed to the subject. With ie cause of Spain., he thought every 'uld be mad e for its independence by as not only objects - of great national *F involved, but even the very honour this country were now engaged, to independence of Spain. The Noble 'resented the Petitions he bad referred Were all from certain friends to Chris littuanity, whose n a m es mere there %ed. tow n a►tid neighbourl►ood of Aleihourn, 'tY or bcrhy. • tkewell, it, the same county.. .otighborohgh, in the county of Lei- . . iehester. , e town awl neighbourhood of Derby.. '"tiel)( n ntington, ill the county of Lei ,e trout the t owu and n eighbourbbod. o with a few others 'thd • .e were presented by his read in the us were way, e on the table. liNsT INDIA. QUESTION. • • ryes WP.t.t.P.st.RY 'acqtrainted the House aentiOn, on Wednesday next, to bring m otion for the prod u cti on of certain %lett would distinctly relate to Ow state Questi on , and for the purpose of their .reed to the Select Committee. This, whole, he thought the ini”•.t convenient .°e eeding yet he thOw.ht, at the siloo! the presentation/ of the llcsoletions h the system, proposed by Governinect taunted, should he aecompaosett by tvations tendingto explain tuck nature,. auents with a 'view to' throw same light ,object. He thought a general Parlia4 le"33i°ll- of the subject should have tny 'examination of evidence. , With re tie resolutions, he Observed, there Was a inconsistency upon the face of them. —.7 1- Set out with was'not carried into.exe the subsequent resolutions, but defects doubt be prod uce d o f a very op p os it e The Company would be precluded from rof discharging those functions either Or abroad, that 'which 'it , Was in the first ln:oposed to allot tti them. These were ,ich he should hereafter. have nn oppor discussing. The restrictions which were to be laid on, would render,that delusive; 11 this view that he proposed to move in Papers on Wednesday ~nott, when an ci ty would be afforded to Noble 'Lords of explaining such parts of the pro as were in his Mind extremely obscure. ld of Lt.viRPOOL did not rise to otter anY, ons on those topics to which the Noble kOrerted, and in which lib fully agreed " to their superlative national and i nlpOrtiktiCt. The Noble Earl then ' e "rrallgement proposed and agreed to on "erdog for'the course of their L° ll- : i ce dillgs on the business in question, and 134 'Vr'AnLit that artawyement was formed:. Iglit it such as- nould afford every Noble 11Porttniity of fully discussing „ 1 . 4 , 4 "4 proposi ng the sub any amendment he should i„ ii i" Per to ItTIV of the resolutions ; 'and leave of t h ' 3 Power to fuing forward the consideration to t Ott l t 'thiect .my other shape , either antece- , Mu! - the examinatiOn of the evidence, or at Itibit:volelak,ioci of it. F or hi mse lf , there was no t "le consideiation of which he given tu to the : satisfied and he was tisfied in his own mind ' e °Pinion lie had formed upon lit. 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Earl Gary-Hied Lord PRENVILLE_ spoke iti fa_ of time, ,as it may be too late id ttte session fa • begin .the investigation on the part of that HouSe, 'When the Residittions should regularly .he sent tip by the other House. In this view they were emit. , municated at nearly .the same time ; not for the purpose of deciding upon them, but with a view of examining evidence upon points materially connected with them, and the better preparing their Lordships fur the considesation of the ge neral subject. The Marquis of NVELLESLEY then rose to bring forward a Petition, which it was his wish should, as the others, be referred to the. Select Com mittee. It related 'to the subject 'of vessels built in Asia, respecting which such a general alarm seemed to prevail in this country. The wish of the Petitioners was, that they should be placed in the situation in which they had hitherto , been, or that they bould understand distinctly, now, what was meant to be done respecting them. — After a few farther observations on the import,. ante of this description of vessels, his Lordship presented the Petition, which seemed to be from certain Merchants of the Port of London, for themselves, and in behalf of others connected with them in India, owners of ships built in that coun, try, praying that their interest might be duly at teiided to. The LORD CHANCELLOR observed, that the Pe tition could be received only as that of those Who signed it, and the ducument as such, was re ceived and referred to their Lordships'. Select Committee. Lord. GRENVILLE .addresied.tlfe House at some length upon the subject. Ile agreed with his Noble Friend in his sentiments respecting the subject of the Petition just presented, as well as in what he had thrown out in .referenn to the re solutions upon which the system proposed by Mi nisters was to be founded. The general afliniS , sion as to the Import and Export Trade to India, .was so limited by what it. was proposed to retain, that the greatest hazard was run of the result be ing highly injurious to the commercial interests of those, whom the new system professed to benefit. He had uniformly been of opinion, that the trade to India should be thrown more and more open to the commercial capital and enterprise of this coun try, and with respect to the more immediate sub ject of the Petition presented by his Noble Friend, he thought the proposers Of the plan should con sider they were legislating for the geueral benefit of agreat, mighty, and imited'Empire.. The Marquis of WELLESLEY then presented two or three Petitions, which being shortly read; seemed to bp frow the Packers and certain, other deScriptioni of Traders employed by the Las, India Coiripany.. These were, as' the former, ordered to be referred to the Select Committee. ritLioNETIS' OF WAR. your of The' Loan CIIANCELLOR and Lord T i LLEINTRO ROUGH StrollthrollpoSed . Lord lior.a. , ,ND - spoke in_ reply. After which the-Mouse divickti upon the- Amendment. Contents Nop-contents , • • Majority against the Bill Adjourned. till Monday. IMUSE OF CONFNIONS, FRIDAY, APRIL 2. The Report of Thi*Ximunittee . on the Cardigan Election Petition ivas brought up. It declined the Sitting Minnber (John Ward,). - ,to be duly elected ; but stated the petition to be ne:ther frivolous nor vexatious. On the motion. of Mr. Rosa, Returns of the Convictions at the Old Bailey, from Dec. 1811, to Feb. 18_13; distinguishing the name and:offence of each person, were ordzred to be laid before the House. The Marquis of LANSpOWN, in:consequence, more itumediately, of sorry:, applications . , which he said had been made to him, rose to call the attention of their Lordships.to this subject. What be wished .to be informed from authotity was, Whether the propoSition made by the French Go vernment was s sueVas to be deemed inadmissible, or whether, if such were judged adiffissible on the part of this country, any proposition' was, fonnded upon it ? And he had particnlarly to ref:ir to . ? report that seemed generally to prevail, that the ground of rejecting the proposition was—: pre sent circumstances of Etwore. This he ttt be informed of ; dr whether the proposition, w:ts rejected upon ocher grounds ? The Furl orLivvarooe felt with the Noble Marquis, that the question .was one which eqeally involved ,considerations• of humanity tied justice ; and he felt himself called upon to declare, that !Its Moiesty's Go t-ernment then and ever, 'were ready to ner - ociate with that of France for an exchange of prisoners Upoll fair and equitable terms. It was tindoubtedly enfortunate that all the elforts made upon the part of the former, for that object, failed of success.. Upon the last occasion, when an at tempt was Made, .his Majesty's Government ex pressedllieir candid readiness to enter into the negociation upon those grounds and principles qpon which they proceeded on fotmer occasions of the kind, when the failltre took place in conse quence of the propositions made by the French Government being such as, could not, consistent ly with the honour or the imerests of thecountry, be acceded to. He had no difilenity in stating, that a:disposition bad been made to renew the negoci ation, and areitaimation of that nature was made: on this, it ,was-dittinctly declared that his Majcs ty's Government were disposed to negociate upon the principle on which the last neg - ociatinn was eonditcted,and he was sorry to say, the proposal was received on the part of the enemy in such a tvey as to leave little hope of- :a successful issue taking place. And be must say that the Noble Martinis did,his Majesty's Government no more than strict justice when be deelined 'Creditiog the report of the negociation being discontinued an acemint.of the actual, eiretints - 13.11C0S of Europe. Nothing ,whatever nit the oeensiion turned on that ground, and he' agaiirrepeated, the British . Government were cordially disposed at any time to renew the negociation in question upon fair and equitable terms ;- and to come to any. conclusion upon the point at all consistent with the honour and the itr terests Of the conntry. Some further conversation on this - topic took place, in whicth Lords Grenville Grey, and Rol land Matte smite observatious, and the Noble Earl (Liverpool) spoke in explanation ; but nothing materially different transpired from what he bad. advanced in the, first instance. He reeated, that the British Government had expressed their per fect readiness to negociate upon the flamer terms or those of the last preceding negociation ; but they were unwilling to entertain any proposition that would operate as an injurious precedent with respectlo the established principles upon which such negotiations were conducted, or would Sentially militate against the honour or interests of the country. On the motion of the Earl of HaseOwaY,. and after a few words front his Lordship on the oeca sion—the consideration of - the R e port of the Stipendiary Curates' Bill, was adjourned till Monday. PETITIONS FOR PEACE: , Lord Le.visotr GOWER presented a Petition from the Master Manufacturers and others connected with the Stelfordshire Potteries, in favour of Peace. - The present Petitioners, though among thoSe Wiwi) had snffereal most from the war, : had .not been seduced by the 'example of others,:ibto any acts of violence. he concurred with the Petitioners in anxiously desiring . the. restoration of pesce, he wished. to state, that he did not agree with them that it would be expedient for that House to take the subject into consideration. — He should move that it be brought up. An Hon. Gentleman had given notice of a motion on the, subject of peace. When that motion was made, he bad no doubt this Petition would be taken into consideration. The Petition was brought up and read, and or dered to lie on the table. Mr. WHITBReAD held_in his band a Petition, the object and the language of which was similar to that wh i ch bad just been preseuted.by , tho Noble Lord. He move' that it be brought up. The Petition was then brought, up and read. It was from certain Inhabitants of . Leeds, and its neighbourhood, in favour peace: The Honour , able Gentleman then called the attention of the House to the very moderate and proper language in which the prayer of these us well as that of the last petitioners was expressed. He .begged also to call the attention of the House to the general good conduct of these petitioners, under all the privations to which they had been exposed under all these sufferings, ftotn^ this dismally long pro tracted war. The Noble 1....01d (Lord L. Gower) had . spoken of the notice whieh he (Air. Whit bread) had given, and which he bad afterwards deferred till after the recess, -without naming a day, but saying., he might yet feel it his duty to do so before tlte end of the Sessions, He could not yet name the period when be would make that motion. Ile was aware that if ever there was a period when greater difficulties would be opposed to tbe,attainment of an honourable. peace than at any other, it was that at which their table should be covered With petitions on this subject, and therefore he had always wished to guard against the House being' placed in this situation, by taking it up before it came to this, that the Executiq Government might not be cramped in its negotiations by such a circumstance: , At on early period of the Sessioo, he bad taken an opportunity of _expressing his sentiments on the subject of peace. in an amendment which he had thotight it his duty to move to the. address's. He had given notice of a motion, but the ,fortu nate events which had-taken place on the Contis 'tient of L'ureue, fortunate if they Were turned to a good account, which brought news better and better from clay to day, while it increased our hopes, bad added, by new' conrsectiuos, to the difficulties' in the way of an immediate return to ,peace. These difficulties:were, it was true, of a pleasing nature, but difficulties they. were ; and feeling this, he i hati thought it right- to leave the executive • unfettered in their operations by any Parlitimentmy resolution. This he should still do till he, sail; reason to despair of the cause ; to doubt of their keeping peace in view us their ob ject, or till it appeared, haying such object in view,' they wanted sufficient energy to accomplish it. If he saw entertained by I%linisters any of those wild chimerical projects, which- at various periods had been entertained by the English Gos veroment in the course of the present' contest, if be saw tiny countenance given to that Prochuna- tarn which had been pat fortb- as issued by- Louis XVIII. or if he saw any plan entertained for changing the Government of France, then he should feel it bis•duty to bring the subject under the ennsideratioo of the House ; then he shotild wish Petitions to be presented from all parts of/ the country, anti _think every possible exertion ought to be made to arrest the career of an Ad ministration, whose intentions were, bent on a project so desperate and.eh&terical. On the pre sent occasion, he 'should be glad to hear from the Noble Lord opposite (Lord Castlereagh), a snore distinct disavowal of that proclamation to. which 11e had already alluded, than he had given on a former night. •• He should be glad for him to avow, notouly the proclamation, but also a par .ticipation in the views of it. 'On this subject it was for the Noble Lord tube silent or not,. as be thought proper: If he were silent, his silence he (Mr, Whitbread) should regard as extremely omi nous. His disavowal, of all 'participation in it would he most satisfactory, and might tend is effect that which was the prayer of the petitiobs :before:the House. Lord es`lereettesou said, whenever the lion. •Qeuileinan thought proper to bring forward milt motion, the object of. which .would he to impeach the past conduct of Ministers, dr to submit to the -House r.oy resolutions for the re; ukttion of their conduct prospectively, It is null then he WI ditty to explain the principles on whiclethey had acted. snopurrEns RILL. With respect to the last topic touched upon by Lord nom.awn, pursuant to his li nt i ee ; Ala the HOU. Getitleill4ll,be had :already stated, P th at were no peartv whatever to the roclis a f tera spe some ' _ eeh of se length m oved the motion which had been mentioned. '-hey had, reading of thia;oll,, however, felt that theta was nothing in the tone of Lord Viieouotwo Smu'ru seeing no ne j . smun t • MinlBters eesst y h- it to justify any intert ! :.•reace on, the part of Ga. vernment. It would have been 'discreditable to them to have fettered the,will of the head of that imiOrtunate fancily to -whom we had afforded an asylum, if .it, would not have appeased like eon- verting that asylum into a prison . . If the Hon. Gentleman thought Ministers were parties to that , . paper, chin any waytted up to any particular line of conduct, he begged distinctly to state that this vas not the fad' He Would assure the Hon. Gentle man, that they were as free to pursue any line vf conduct which .night be called for by the interests of this country, as ever , ",they had been at any, • former period.. He admitted that before the Fro- clamation appeared, he knew that such a 'paper vas to come out, but any knowledge of it, as to approving of it, or being in any way a party to it, he denied. Mr. STEPHEN obser"vid, the Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Whithread) had represented the Noble; Leird (Lord L. Gower) to have said this was a proper time for attempting to negociate a peace, and stated hithself in that to agree with the Noble Lord.---• He had gone 'l,vitlt the Noble Lord in 'all he had said, which he could not have done had.he made ' such a statement. He understood the Noble Lnrd ' to have said that circumstances kistified sanguine hopes, and in this he cordially agreed, but be did not understand him to have said the present Was a faVourable opportunity for negotiating . a 'peace, Though he applauded the conduct of Government with respect to the Proelaniation, he hesitated not to say of that paper, that as the act of the rightful heir to the,Throne of France, from his sAnil, and with all his heart and judgment, he bighiyapprov ed of it. ' if a 'declaration sti wise, so moderate . , so benignant, could find its wayto the eyes and ears of the French; it would he likely to produce the wished for effect, and tend to overthrow that mi litary tyranny which was established in France, and . as fatal to' that country as inconsistent with the repose ofEurope, • Lord L. Gowen said, the Hon. Gent. (Mr. W.) had understood 'hint rightly, and bad not balite , presented him. Mr. WHITBREAD was not sorry the Honourable and Learned Gentleman (Mr. Stephen) had mis understood him (Mr. Wnithread) ; 'as,, bur for such misunderstanding, he ' (Mr. S.) must haft' concurred with him. —(4 laugh.)--,lJe had uot commented on the Proclamation as being the ac,‘ of Louis XVIII. but be was glad to hear it ibis= , avowed by Governmeni. ' The .Petition was then ordered to lie on the tablC. ', Mr. WHITBREAD presented petitions on' the same subject. from Melbourne, Greenock,' Mat loCk, Derby, and several other places. . Vie pe,; titions 'wet e ordeted to. lie on the table. Copies :of extracts from ~treatieS Conelwitled by the East-India Company with the native-powers i with. other, papers relative to the conduct of Ett;. 1. the East India Com ropeans, not the servants of pany, towards the natives, &c. &c. wire ordered' : ! to' be laid before the House., , . . Several papers reintive to the appropriatfion of monies arising frnm the First Fruits in Ireland, within the last year, were ordered to be laid be= fore the House. IRISH FINANCE. Sir J. NO.PouT was aware it was out of the ordinary course to ask the question he was about to put to the Chancellor of the Ex cheipier for Ireland ; but circumstances, he thought, bore him out in doing sci. Ile wished to ask it it was intended to extend the property tux to Ireland ? 'Mr. W. FITZGERALD replied, that the Right IlOn. Baronet had truly said, the question, was ,one which was inconsistent NVitl4 the ordivary usages of Parliament. 'deprecated the prac tice of asking such questions across -the table,, which bad lately grown up among them. Under existing circumstances, trot ) the state of the finances of Ireland, he did not propose in the pre , sent ydar to extend the Property Tax to Ireland. At the same tittle he wished to state, 'that if he was deterred from doing so, it was because cir comstances of a local nattire Made it very difficult to render such a measure palatable, till further arrangements had been made on a great view, of the subject. It was MCA at present in eontempla. tioo to extend the Property Tax to Ireland. Sir J. NEWPowr said, .the question was one which under ordinary circdthstances he would not have put to the Itik;ht Hon, Gentleman. lint the auitiftion excited, on the 'subject had Made it ap pear necessary. Mr. W. FITZGERu.n hoped the Hon. Baronet, alter this explanation, would not refuse his so port to the taxes proposed in lieu of the Property . . Sir J. NEwpotrr said be Was as little 'disposed ns airy man to throw needless impediments in the. way of the Right lion, t tirentlennin. BIi,EACII OF riumEGE. Mr. M-A, TAY LOR rose to give notice, that it. nas his intention on at future day (he could not tottue the clay at present), to bring forward a ca cunistance connected with the privileges of Howie. He alluded to a trial which had recently taken place, the result of which, he thoigtit.„ wupon ent materially to trench the priiileges of Members Of Parliament. Ife did nut fitulfault with ,he Judge who presided on that. occasion, but he was satisfied the 'House would feel this to be a subject worthOheir most serious cousi deration. • ,The House then resolved into a Committee op the affairs of tire EAST, iN1)1 A COMi!ANI% GRAIIAM.IIICII in and examined. Hit evidence get eyLtlly went to . corroborate anit which he gave on rlinrsday. STretturt having gone at some length intrt ti oestiOOs to the NVOCihip of Juggernaut, an . it ‘ ,„ m c i e ber objected to proceeding in this line - Orexamitiation„ and the . Witile3S Was ordered to 'withdraw. , Some diseuWon ensued, and Mr.Gra hain heir% a 4 in 'ealled.in, the examination took the same course for neatly an hair, when Mr, Loshington again objected' to the going so much in detail into the religion, Ste. of -the Hindoos ; ii matter neither contained in 'the petitions referred reterred to the (',totntnittee, Oar in the resolutions of the Noble Lord (Castlereagh) who drought tires quetioll'lnfare the House. The witless beiug once more ordered to with.