The British Press; or, Morning Literary Advertiser. — London, England, 1822-11-16 00:00:00

THE LIBERAL. The cense of freedom is never exposed to so much danger as when its injudicious friends, ender the in. Ihrence of any temptation whatever, hazard the as sertion of principles that are opposed to the social sympathies or the moral feelings of mankind. This remark is suggested to us by the recent publication of the Liberal, end more particularly by the three, certainly very indifferent epigrams on the death of Lord Castlereagh which it contains. We shall not be suspected of a wish to palliate any of the enormities of which that Minister was the sathor or the agent, when we express frankly the disgust which these productions have excited in our minds. Suicide, from whatever cause it may spring, whether from philosophy, remorse, impiety, or mad. peso, can never be the fit subject of epigram. The limed taste, which, in this instance, do bet re-echo the voice of nature, forbid any approach to levity on such a theme. • We should not certainly have deemed it necessary to advert at all to this subkct, if certain friends of the authors in England, still more injudicious then themselves, had not attempt. ed, by cool and sober argument, to defend these miseries, long after the writers in Italy had begun, as we ebsritably hope, to feel ashamed of the taste sod temper which inspired them. It is with the prin ciples/re which this defence is attempted that we have new ti do ; embarked as we are, honestly end zea. loosly, in the some political cause with the promul. peers of these principles, we are anxious to disclaim any participation in them, lest the errors of individuals should be mistaken for the opinions of a party, and the enemies of freedom and reformation obtain an accidents' and unmerited triumph. The imputa tion of cant is no sufficient answer to the animad verrions which these pointless and misapplied jocu larities have justly incurred. Because cant is too prevalent in ihe world, are the genuine prompting' .f good sense and right feeling to be checked or silenced? If there are pretenders to temperance, who exhilarate themselves in private, are we there fore to exhibit ourselves in the streets, drank before flinger, and vociferate as we reel along, " We are no canters ?" THE TURF. PARLEY HILL HUNT RACES. lr row weal% 13.--(LAST DAT.) 11 , 14Tckun Po Amy, brat Mr. Armstrong Pilot. Four win, bar. Swerpsiakes of 15es. each, fur haeterk—F u er sijies.-11e3ta, Mr. Ihrvey's holier Major ilsrvers Dr.;.. ' Mr. Grad's Logic Mr. Jenesl• b. b........ „,„ 2 dr Mr. li urne's Probe ' 5 dr Farmers Slake. of Ip. ad% mile by lowstre.-lbgs. added. Mr. Owes'. dual ... Mr. Feara'a ir. b.... .............. • ••••••• 2 3 Mr. lieraa's Take... .• ... . ........ .... , ..... Mr. Heywood'a Cohneel Mr. Paillintere's Gipsy Gir 1... . Mr. Goddard'. Crimple, fell • dia. The race affer4ed smock Aversiv". COURSING. The matches at Bill Bill baying given sea much diversion on Wednesday, and some nut being run out, •nuf leer day's sport w-s concluded upon far a Solver Cup and Cuver. The Cup. Mr. Mortimer's Flora beat Capt. Meatnewe's d. Mr. Hardson's hr, d. beat Mr. Montagne's Fly. Mr. Jones's Harlequin beat Mr. News's gr. 41. Mr. Herriot's Sped!, brat Mr. Heed's Tally ha! Mr. konseling's Harriet beat Mr. Boussolow's sp.'s. Capt. Smith's Monk beat Mr. Peamoa's tan. d. First Tie. Mr. James's Harlequin best Herriut's Spierße. Mr. Mortimer's Flora beat Cap' Smith's Mmk. Mr. Harrison's br. d. beat Mr. Rmadiug's Harriet. Freund Tie. Harlequin best Flora, mid *um the Prize, Mr. Harrison re retinal 6.e sovereigns. Matches for Five Guineas earls. Mr. Giles's be. d. heat Mr. mile. Hampton Court b. Captain Aldridge's Flight heat Mr. Auisrvy's Buistrude dog. Mr. Wilmot% Fly h. beat Mr. Walker's Gluey. Mr. Anbrey's *b. b. beat Mr. Hanger's Teesdale. TIM CHASE. But there is, it appears. a community of feeling on this subject between the noble author of the epigrams and an immense majority of the English people. Never will we believe so foul a libel on Iflrcountry. A savage ►hout of exultation, it is Ism, was given by some three or four sco►e of the lowest of the mob of this metropolis, "as the de tossed Minister was borne to his grave ;" but the alleged community of feeling, we hope, and believe, moods us further. We hope this, not out of any tenderisers towards the memory of Lord Castle. •eagh, but because we are firmly persuaded that whenever the moment shall arrive for the Engli►h ' people to assert by arms the liberty or independ ence of their country, such epigrammatists and such shouters will not be found in the foremost ranks of the conflict. As the enemies of corrup tion, we would not pay so much homage to the late Minister as exultation on the event of his death implies. What necessity for reform of system, if accident can thus elate us ? In a very few years the preoent administrators of the !Item meal, one after another, .quit this mortal scene. What • series of triumphs in prospect for the friends of Reform ! But are the immense majority of the English people so unreflecting as to enjoy these triumphs, or to doubt that the same system which has created the present race of Ministers, will go nu to create in succession others equally obnoxious to supply their places. It will 'tot, we presume, be contended that Lord Castlereagh was any other than every or. divary personage, or that he was possessed of any of those rare endowments which confer individual importance. The system, then, which produced hunt, could, if it required their services, produce such men not by ten., but by thousands. These expressions of exultation clearly, thee, as • mitten of taste, ere disgusting; mud as • developement of political feeling, frivolous and childish, if not per skim's. It is surely not to intended by this barbarous triumph to consider the deceased Mi nister es • *cape-goat. who carries away with him the whole loud of iudignation, sad thus to relieve his survivors, in some degree, from the responsibility for bed measures. which they perhaps suggested, and ill which they certainly concurred. But the fidelity of history most be preserved, it is said. Who denies it ? The difficult task, how ever, still remains, of discovering seine connexion between the fidelity of history and the writing of bad epigrams, or the utterance of exulting shouts on a retest suicide. It may well be doubted even whether history will busy itself much about the in dividual political charscter of the deceased Minis ter. From the death of Pitt and Fox to the pre sent day, we confess ourselves at a loss to conceive whet history can have to say of the characters of British Statesmen otherwise than in clusters. Li verpool, Sidmouth, Castlereagh, Bathurst, Har rowby, Canning, Vansitt•rt, &c. &c. are a cluster of Dames, which at the historic distance and in the l i historic light will seem amazingly little. Will his tory rehearse the tiresome debates, or recount the use less and unmeaning divisions of the present House of Commons ? Will it criticise the dull ferocities of The Liberal ? Yet this is it as likely to do as to demand the attention of posterity to so barren a theme as the individual character of Lord Castle. lI milk This pka of the &Mil of history is s ,:,,t,.,.. .....:- •• _ old - __ The Cottesarore hounds will wirer na Monday the Igth, at Picksorth Town; on Tuesday, at %Viag; on Thursday, at Lohiburp; and o• Friday, al Brook—earb d■y at a quarter Iseforeeievea o'clock. Emil Fitanilliam'a hounds oa Mosiday Ike ISA, at &miry Gorse; on Tuesday, at Solon Wood; us Thursday, at Stansrick Pasture; and on Saturday, at Elton New Close— each day at !en o'clock. Lord'Yarhornegh's hounds on alondny the lath, at Ormsby Mill; on Wednesday, at Hendale Lodge • on niday, at Girsby House; and oa S a t ur d a y, a t Riby Goss Laura—each day at eleven o'clock. Horton Huai—ST R. Sutton's hounds on Monday the at Saxilhy ; on Tuesday, at Lsorrorth [hide; on Thursday, at Catchy; and or Saturday, at Blankuey—each day al dowels o'clock. The South Wold Subscription hounds on Tuesday the 19116, at Asterby; oa Thursday, at Putney; and on Satur day. at Hagnaby—each day at half past ten o'clock. Mr. Charrorth's hounds on Tuesday the 19th, at Stanford Hall ; oat Thursday, at Harrington ; aad uu Friday, at Stows Wood. Eaton Cunning Meetinge commenced ow Thursday Ike 7th instant, and will be continued fortnightly daring the season. BOXING. Titer" was what the Awe, tribeld Wee a san g day'. Pial , yesterday, is Mettub's klike4ews, hetwesew elesseis amid V. bridge, three battles having been 'alight, two of which proved oat and oat. The Seal was for twenty sovereigns, betwee■ Ambrose, the celebrased Wiltshire wrestler, mind Weston, Captain Fairbors's man, who was willed and lost some grinders with Flowers, the blacksmith, last September. The Met mend of the battle, which was rowed in as open ring, was coiling andainintitar during eleven minutes, mostly Is favors , of Weal., by his quiche's*, is the absence of science. There was so parrying, because the men did mot know how to come it. lii • doer, Ambrose gave his adver sary a MOM irelatedill•l fall. I. Stroog exercise had takes away the lest flourish, and brought on ihe piping system. Weston 'seemed bent by the fall, and be braise Isis adversary's by a (retry first bit, arid floored hiss, said he seemed as if sulfsmated with Mare'. 3. Ambrose went reeling to the scratch, es drunk as ■ bac rhanalian beadle from a Lord Mayor's dimmer, but be rss le and threw ►is adversary s heavy cress bottnek. 4,5, and 6 rounds produced uo mi•chief, with the excep tion of Weston having received a punch us the eye. The Oita were too tired at laborious work. 7. This was the hest round is the battle: it lasted nine wiggles, mid there was much reseal hesey hitting ea built sides, mid claret hew Neill the seconds we►e covered with glory. 8 and 9. These were staafully fought, but st the close of the latter Ambrose. whose peepers lame nearly mom to prose, three his adversary so heavy a (all that be lila taken ult . the ground imaseless. This lucky throw of Ambrose cue him the battle is Any misiotes. MS ..11 0 ".• - •^01IP Mr. WARRFleto—" My client did certainly not commit • contempt wilfully, because he was led on step by step till he was in • manner compelled to ma►ry ; and he had gut helms prepared for mar. riage under the late Act of Parliament." The LORD CHANCELLOR—" I am extremely glad you have mentioned 01.4 Mr. ‘Vakefield, for now I shall order that the affidavits for the public.. tion of the bent,. under the late Act shall be laid before me, ■nd I need not tell you what contents they must contain." Mr. WAILIFIELD - .I That shall he done." The LORD CHANCELLOR—"I shall net permit Mr. Ainsworth, nor any young wren io the kingdom, to run away with a girl possessed of such consider able property, and then come here by a mancouvre to excuse his father from making a settlement upon his son. Let tins stand over for a week, and by that time let me know whether this forty thousund pounds gentleman will really do any thing for his sou or not, and then 1 may iterhaps be inclined to make such a settlement upon them as may make 4v-yeang couple more comfortable dish they may at present tepee' ; but if the whole is to come from this young girl, 1 eta determined that the husband shell never touch one shilling of it, and 1 should wish his father, and ell who Iselimit to him, to know that unless a settlement can be made on his p o et, I shall order such a settlement before the Master as shall deprive hint of getting nut farthing of her pro. perty ; and if she should d.e, he will be in the same situation, for he shell never be benefited by it." Mr. HEALD —" I beg to inform your Lordskip that the-Delesidam's father h.is no less than eight children; so that if he even has 40,0001. a share to them all will tint amount to very much." The LORD CNANCELLOA--" But lie is not to make this girl pay every thing." The LOND Cuiii Jostles said, if be thought the decision which the Court would cause to in air, case would hare the slightest tendency to abridgc the liberty of the subject, he should pause befure . l‘: mule it; but conceiving that the right claimed•l 4 the Plaintiff, if estab'ished, would be more n ol voorable to that liberty, be should not hematite to deliver his joilgruetin. He thought it w. 14 qu.ce deur that tbere was no authoroy. either by or common law, for the right slow fur the kr.t time chinned. h was the practice of Afsgieiriet. ie cafes of doubt to desire the presence ;add bt. aistooce of professional skill. sad no 4614 that was a practice which might is certain rums •14.• very expedient; bat Ins Lordship thought it much better to manna on ins present Aintitip, is the discretion of the Magistrate to' 'refs., : or allow it. This was ant a trial; mistier weir the Magistrates aasambhd in may Aliitig,,Lifie Court; hot it was a mere prellissamuy intimey asoertaist it it awe arreeemry that she party should be committed, or boil taken, in order to Isisrbrin tz forthcoming at a fotureday. Tlie Grand:itsq . wili a preliminary iutioiry of *similar astare..iu she s& gros meted, and sit thalibarace of all Jlitt One • the 'adgmeat of die Conn son In. for the Dv 1441.afisticw BayLitt Concurred in 1 opinlikn with 'lllllo42iiii Justice, fiat ilwre was tio ietailinutylvr she aisle claimed in the, present case.; obeerviam, 11104 was sat a ceorsi seat nary courietion, of NI, ~-~~ l 1 • • _ . . prevalent in the world, are the genuine prompting' lately been subject. was caused by the improper sp. Iref & ore d e i te . e i r i cclur:k. hounds on Mr. W AKEFIELD — s` My client did certainly not them to evade justice ;or gOods which Ind been commit • contempt wilfully, because he was led on veyed away, and the conviction of the ' robbers Moeday the 19 . th, at Santry stolen might by means of such information be con- of good sense and right feeling to be checked or plication of lunar caustic to a sore ear. It touch- Gorse; oe Ta i r a L l a d y, at xUIIOII WOW; us Thursday , at silenced ? If there are pretenders to temperance , ad the tympanuns of the ear, which became irri- gr aavrta k Pasture; and on Saturday, at Elton New Cruse— step by step till he was in a manner compelled would thus become impossible. There was not only no authorities in favour of the right claimed by tiled, and a ff ected the nerves the brain to •• yin- each day at ten o'clock. who exhilarate themselves in private, are we ther e- Lord Yarborough's honed, on Monday the 19th, at Ormsby to marry ; and he had got hanns prepared for mar. rile under the hoe Act of Parliament." ( 11-11 , lent degree.—Thu we have from authority,— fore to exhibit ourselves in the streets, drank before J directly against it. Here the Plaintiff dinned to /Evening Paper.) T he L ORD CHANCELLOR—" lam extreme! glad you haste mentioned th.t, Mr. ‘Vakefield, for attend before the Magistrates and exam* wit- Gushy House; and oa Saturday, at Riby Cress 1.111/C%—esch flinger, and vociferate as we reel along, " We are ~ I...AMBRIDGE. NOVEMBER 13.—The election for day at eleven o'clock. no canters?" the representation of this University will take place Horton Want —B , r R. Sattoe's hounds on Monday the enw I shall order that the affidavits for the public.- But there is, it appears, a community of feeling i about the 26th instant.-011 Monday a Grace passed 181 h, at Baxilby ;oa Tuesday, ■at Lsogwo,th Hriilee; on tion of the banns under the late Act shall be laid nesses for the person accused; but for what par- before me, and I need not tell you what coutents self had no discretion, but must commit the party Th asy e a rs t d e a le y, ,eu st o C c u l t o e c h k y . ; and on Saturday, at Blankiwy—each soar should he so attend when the Magistrate him- on this subject between the noble author of the i the Senate to apply for a asondantes to confer the , degree of D.D. on . the Rev. , DANIEL Cazswei.L. Th e South Woid Siebscriptics hounds on Tuesday the the y most c°1"1 "* " epigrams and an immense majority of the English l if the felony war positively sworn to, even though M.A. Fellow of Trinity College. Also, the limo- leas at Asterby •o• Thursday,at Penney • sad on Sitar- Mr. WAKEFIELD—" That shall he done." the witnesses might not be of good fame sod credit. people. Never will we believe so foul a libel on degree of MA conferred Lard T day, at H It ' h - . ' The LoaD LmsecELLOR —" 1 shall net permit This was the law, as stated by Dalton, and there- rsry . . . was onHOWAS ar. at sea_ y--eac_ day at half past tee o'clock. aflrcoentry. A savage shout of exultation, it is H a y, o r T r i n i ty C o ll ege. Mr. Cbsworth's hounds oil Tuesday . y the 194 h, at strinfor4 U A; sear. v.. neworth. nor any young train in the kingdom, fore the atteadauce of an attorney to wattle ',- Hall; ou at Harrin ton • and uu at Stowe lure, was given by some three or four "core of the Extract of a private letter, dated Malts, Sep. w ssod. Thursd a y, g • Friday, to run away with • girl possessed of such consider- posing witnesses would be perfectly nugatory. lowest of the mob of this metropolis, "as the de- tember 24 :—" Ihe Cambrian frigate sailed this Eaton Coursing Meetings coonmeaeed ow Thursday the able property, and then come here by • manoeuvre Mr. Common SELMAN?, on the part of dm morning for Minks. and the Diana Dutch frigate 7 th "Moot, and will be continued feriuightly ( s w i g t h e to excuse his lather from making a settlement upon Plaintiff, contended that every person accused of ceased Minister was borne to his grate ;" but the for England. Sir THOMAS MAITLAND is hon. ly KWIC his son. Let this stand over for a week, and by felo n y bef ore a Magistrate bad a s i g h t to i sm an alleged community of feeling, we hope, and believe, expected Imre." that time let me know whether this forty thousund adviser of legal skill, either Counsel or Attorney. moods us further. We hope this, not out of any BOXING. pounds gentleman will really do any thing for his 0 i Extract from • private letter, dated Venice, present. for the par .if not of ex Ming wit. tenderness towards the memory of Lord Castle. October 29, 1822 :—" It is rumoured that the as what the Fe„,.,...". wueld /1011 or DOI, and the!, I may perhaps be inclined to neon, a t l e a s t an s h e . et the proper questions to s.e.t al::: t eat :ara:1131:1:. wake such a settlement upon them as may make racy Learned Friend (Mr. Coleridge) had relied pried- be put in order to s his innocence. Has resgb, but because we are firmly persuaded that pgyipcipal , subject recent* agitated at the Con- yester day, Alelltalee alaistare comfortable than they whenever the moment shall arrive for the English greet. is the adjustment of the claims or of the bride*, three haul. having been Neghl ' i" of which Proved at r all eSeld g e ce s t e i c Pi l e re bu or t e irthe whole i t future destiny of the young NAPOLEON. The t w eed oal liwe T ar ts: I . •CH &tenanted tha s t othecohusbvironsad !tally on the authority of Dalton. souse of whose , people to assert by arms the liberty or independ- 1 br in al l ed wa W s ithi l m eeli vi tY restleTtd teesl e o t e s this young grrl, destiny of Spain is said to have been decided dicta were net only without the sanction of any tore of their country , such epigrammatists and Captain ' Fairbers's was, who shell never touch one 'tattoos of it, and I should first principles of justice. other authority, but were directly subversive of the at Vienne. These are, of course, mere on dots. s d,„,„ with pl ower , t h, id ac k " ,: t a mi t a ll e ed t & al ? lost "ale' wish his father •II who 1).1°14 to him, to know that though the Magistrate shuuld ktsow the wit- ' such shouters will not be found its the foremost h r d ' °ri. ' ' maw 'He had laid it down which can awe no oilier flue aeon than coulee. The fi.st mind at the battle, which was fought in an open i . and i that enters a settlement cuts be made 011 his part, I nesse. were undeserving of credit, yet it was the reeks of the conflict. As the enemies of corrup. tore. The king of Pat./MA 111/d the two young rine, was cutting and mainihm durine eleven IrtheOtre mostly shall order such a seitlernetit before the Master as la . favour of Wean. by Ina Trickiness, le the absence of tion, we would not prey so much homage to Princes have been staying fur th e last few days at Venice at the new hotel, which has " kn i o eu oir ee li . ow T t h o tr e e o "s it . . ° Itrarreling, nae, i bee me a br a u se n th g e av a:e i ld a id d zo r t sha I i deprive him . o i l lo g u e l i d ti d ng e ogr e farthing n o Ithieersapro. Gofer practice to commit. After that lie (Mr. Deo- the late Minister as exultation on the event of as an authority. His Learned Friend had said there 1 ' i been recently furnished in • tuignificent style by wry a mom irmitedeus fall. palate . , l man) had hoped never to have heard Dalton quoted his death implies. What necessity for reformsituation, for he shall never be benefited by it." ~ Mr . . I - I E r ! 1.. D - 1 " I b r eg to refoein your Lordstr.ip was no authority fur the right claimed by the etuni. I i the proprietor of the Hotel de le Grande Bretugne. ft... 7 :,. .. ga t n t i r d ors onh e e akab ererseh s a v e si t e a in kra w arzy tou the .e t e t d ii. be iu n ri g slo b , y a l td . of system, if accident can thus elate us ? In a very feet years the present administrators of The MVO left yetterday fur Verona, and the Prince. return this day. It is expected that thehis adversary's by a lucky first bit, sad mit lue-s- ' e • e """' ' " " he 4 the sytein usual, one after •another, .quit this C o n g r ess will terminate on tlie 9.501, anal the Ern. oct itt° 3 ° . l. l ::::. • '... d en h t e re aer e lard as l '!: " a t e r s a ted w d i t e l f e L e t a - ba, I mortal scene. What • series of triumphs in , ~. prospect for the friends of Reform ! But are '•,; the immense majority of the English people • peror ALEXANDER will then proceed to Floreirce and Rome. The EMPEROR has drawn on two Workers to the amount of a million of as quins for his expen s es 4,5, • in Italy ; he spends magnificently. Spade da vet.. so unreflecting as to enjoy these triumphs, or to Imperatore, says My Apothecary. implying, 1 sup- ehasallaa beadle f rom :turd Ma s y cr ois c d,arter:but be ear In . 1 T ni b a and threw his adversary • heavy erass bonnet'. sof ii rounds produced uo .1-chief, with the excep- tion of Weston having received a punch ire the eye. The were tired at laborious work we ; ThM l w " m the best round is the . battle: it lasted nine . doubt that the same system which has created the pose , that the other Emperor is a f oo l to him , an d miser's, and there vise with room' hea vy present race of Ministers, will go on to create in succession others equally obnoxious to supply i that the Austrian finances admit only of a species sides, sad claret hew motel of bastard magnificence. This day the sentence 9 1 "11. 1 pronounced by the Wisner' of ofModena, their places. It will nor, we presume, be contended i opens forty-seven parsons, including ("ON mei, the latter w Am hi bro., whose peepers we.e that Lord Castlereagh was any other thorn • very or. I d.clared guilty of high treason, has been published• f,rirt.h:ei ground o l ,t ersary " h `• dietary personage , or that he was possessed of any The sentence of death on Professor GIUSEPPE An- of those rare endowments which confer individeal DREOLI was executed. That on 6 " . RANCESCO CONTI nun him the baud. is Any mimes. himn ha h..oh that there the seeouds were covered with was u y fought, but •I the close of eta r has no less that, eight children ;so that if be Cyrus lilis 40,0001. • share to to the tat and 2d Philip and Mary, that the tight _ will tint amount to ger? . much." LORD CHANCELLOA-- make this girl pay every them." THE PORTSMOUTH CASE. tit; but LordCohe hed expressly said, io refers But Ire is net to his behalf was a right at common law, mud the wo- of the pony accuted to have witneeses examined on lutes were only declarstory. Ile (Mr. Demmer) contended that there was no argument which could Mr. HART —" I loo.g to inlirron your Lordship, be urged against this right of a peon igeoratit per. exists a difficulty as to how the expenses son to have legal assistance at his atomisation be- is to be defrayed of the wool TO geolirmen who are fore the Magistrate, which might not apply with to visit my Lunt Portsmouth. lam debited to equal force wettest allowing it an any case. It wino .Kate, that if the Court !leeks proper to order it, suggested that the Attotney might give informulton "early stone to the gentlemen ettiplo)ed un behalf of the Noble to other criminals concerned, sod there could thus airy a fall that he was taken less. This lucky throw of Ambrose HOPKINS AND BEARD. Lord will have No objection to advance the money be no private examination : but, in truth, no exa- cm his aecouost." 'inflation could be so private as to prevent that soot The Lotto CHANcerroa—" I can give no di. of couaniunicatiors, for the person accused must Ise • j r was commuted for ten years imprisonment. The This light, also fur 20 swereiens, lasted 17 misates, i n rection as to that whatever. While en application present, and might convey it to others if necessary. ti importance. The system, then, which produced which 15 ,making rouseis were funiht. Hopkins in knows in lunacy for it COUMlllWitill is pentillig, the Court But this spa 11.1 t pretended to be a private exam- names include some of the most dietingoished No. has no jurodicrion over the individual', property." settee,. He coneeived the pretreat case was plainly lime could, if it required their services, produce Isles, Officers, and Doctors. Al Milan, sentence of lithebeFte:;C:uhrl!' and science;the and his adversary Is "' se Mr..H•ENE 7 " 1 sliest beg to ,rate Lady Ports. thetingoisiliaWe from the eases of ezaininations be- such men not by Leine but by thousands. These death has been pronoacced by • a Special Commis. style of Gas in g the g ars; Pi th Y ree n ro:a w d h s, o by th a d fe h a li el w es .r a k aied i. ex tb : month ' a utter incupubility el being at the expense fore the Coroner. for there were uo parties ' before expressmos of exultation clearly. then, as • miner mon, upon a Humber of Nobles, Doctors, &c. inning taste He (01 tired in the fourth round, when Hop- (contunveci) declared guilty of high treason asystitst k.ns broke greiand. pinked hi., and led the rest of the light. of it. the Coroner : it was a mere inquiry IMO facie, if taste, are disgusting; sod as s developement o f The LORD CHANCELLOR— If Lis Lordship which might or might tot afterwards woke some the Austrian Government, they have been hung in Hopkins """ with severe l'lthuhtheul• political feeling, frivolous and childish, if not per- effigy, and their estates hare been enafiacared. „ A y o ,hd Aght for a sovereig, followed, being b ot h cnee , can be brought to London under proper care end one in a criminal charge. On the ground* which ir 6 The Ring's picture was given le the Wier of the /woad without being disturbed, I shall It•Ille DO objection.'" he had urged, and because • contrary deciejori Dicier's. It is surely not to intended by this THE FUN Da.—The market was very sternly ght. Mr. Wernaazit.s.—" I did nut understand that would be extremely prejudicial to the inteleoto of barbarous triumph to consider the deceased Mr- yesterday and looked firm. Consols for Account, -------,-- the expense of the medical Gentlemen who have justice and the liberty of the subject, he treated Diner es a scspe-goat. who carries away with Trim 82i 81i 82k ; ditto for Money, 82 811 82; A fight took place on Wednesday evening in already visited the Noble Earl, was ordered la be the iudement of the Court would be fur his the whole load of iudignation, and thus to relieve Reduced, efit ; Bunk Stock, 2491; 31 per Cent., the Waterloo Bridgesroad, between • disciple of client. defrayed neat of his funds." - .. ' 931; 4 per Cent s. 9821 ; New 4 per 102 1 1 !;Cents. CA RLILE (who has lately opened another mart of hi. survivors, in some degree, from the respouvibtlityTh e Lotto CHANCELLOR—a' Certainly not." The LON'S Cuter Jusrica said, if lie thought India Builds, 40 4-2 pr ; Exchequer Bills, 577 9. sedition in that neighbourhood). and a working (LadyOW big to inform the Court ease m which the Court would coe to in this for bed measure.. which they perhaps suggested, -ForeignStork .: New Soranith. -I I in ; mm . The quarrel arose in consequence of the for- L rs ' 6 6f 6 - . „ ii and iis which they certainly concurred. 1 But the fidelity of history most be preserved, it lean, so 81. is said. Who denies it ? The di ffi cult task, bow- The Court Antbentique, or authorized ststement ever, still remains, of discovering some connexion between the fidelity of history and the writing of ' bad epigrams, or the utterance of exulting shouts N oi. e i s i, P° 9 l o l tr c h u 7 l B ein nt 78 i ; Romans 8 6 i 87 ; 1). . men u.irig souse irreligioutexpressions which led to of , the fluctuations of the French money-market . is angry worts. and finally to blows. The contest, however, did not last long, for a severe blow put in onthe mouth of " c lic ?rm . ," a settled the Isterirtess printed and published every day at Parts , soon after in favour o f " the iit ism, 'w to advited his fallen three o'clock, the hour at which the regular public adversary to be more cautious in future, in asser- tions he could not support. tnat • !NI /011th had ► ece 'red on the nth would have the alinktest tendenc y te b• • ofJuile near u t 00 1 0 i. and since t i hat, lime a farther the liberty of the subjeet °- , he should pause be fore til• sum of 500 /. ; ale., ' Lord Portsaanuth was entirely aged, it; but conceiving that the right cleimed•l4 without money whi-ii he came to town. and Meters. the Plainti ff , if estab . ished, would be more no( slot.- aver, pea bankers), and aloe the receiver of vourable to that liberty, be should not !minor ii..“ his reels. had got such notices served upon them to deliver his judgment. He thought it ie.l4 qu.;e as to poeveut them from supplyiug him with dose that flier, was HO authorny, either .by metre.: 1 business of the French Exchange closes. After on a rectal asieide . It may well be doubted even that hour, trantactisers rat the nature of time- Wednesday morning an extraordinary ( rocs took whether history will busy itself much about the in- bar; nose are still corned oil, and fluctuations take place in the neighbourhood of Lower Grosvenor- money." CHANCELLOR—" The truth or COrDIIIOII lOW. for the sight now fur the fir.t is, i time claimer.. ft was the irractice of Magivirat, A V sue trot ing in the world to de , with that subject. We ewes of doubt to desire the presence ; acid at. I 1 The il Loao Ogee as if the regular market was still oleo: hut place, Pimlico, between a Mr. L. C. and a Mr. dividual political ch a racter of the deceased Minis- If Lord Portsmouth is of a sound mind, and does sosteoce of profesairmal skill s and no doelst that . r Qtly official authorized account of the day's M—N, in consequence, as we are credibly informed, not allow a proper marines:ace to his wife. she mast was a practice which might is certain noses .b.o ' ter. From the death of Pitt and Fox to the pre- of the latter eroding a very offensive letter to Mr lo th u e siie l v i s l' ivthe printed one.• apply to a Court of quite another junedretion. The very expedient ; but los Lordship- thevignt it rent day, we confess ourselves at a loss to conceive • The sheep fair at Stamford nn Fiiday the Bill L. C., who immediately replied to it. by belabour. question before use 1., is lee of a seend mind or is much better to remain on its peseta '4i/otiri allot history can have to say of the characters of i ns t an t, was pretty brisk, and an advance iii price o r I lug Mr. :d—N with a horsewhip , which in a'n he nut ?- 1 A 'no r 'nog-le v.t is necessary for me l take slt pm. in the discretion of the Magistrate te - lefit. g o; British Statesmen otherwise than in clusters, Li- about 21. a head au. getrerelly obtained :'headings gle hottotell the parties broke; when Mr. L. C. able amnia of decidnig justly au that ; but or allow it. This was tint a trial; withe r wi le I / verpool, Sidmouth, Castlereagh, B a thu r st, Ha ir _ sold at 18s. to 241. : the quantity was about as thought proper to de p ra ve a dr B Y ll2Bll of his itee 2 ril ill this some of the proceedings I have nothing at the Magistrates assemblad to any Aesag, r eo te , , rowby, Canning. Vansittart, &c. &c. are •• cluster of names, which at the historic distance and in the historic light will seem amazingly little. Will leis- large as usual The show of horses 064 a poor one, and the prices were low.—Cheese scold from 3t, 441. which he contrived to use with such dexterity on a ll to d o s i t e bi n property." the trunk of his adversary, as to . induce lion to take to as high as 6s. 6d. a rout . —The (air on Saturday to his heels , to the no small satisfaction of a uume- for nest cattle was very large, and the prices gene- tory rehearse the tiresome debates,or recount the use. rally were sot higher than the beasts were brought in less and unmeaning divisions of the present House of Commons' ? Will it criticise the dull ferocities of The Liberal ? Yet this is it as likely to do as to demandrare assemblage of persons who collected to witness tient reediest twee going dean. what they termed " coming to the scratch." Court; but it was a mere preliminary inquiry I,i Mr. Huang stated, it was quite impossible AIM ascertain it it wore thweasary that the party %should her Ladyship could pay the heavy fees of the mai- be committed, or hail teken, in order to hitebeiii i ; Mr. SEIRROW begged permission to make ma a for p t,c ri oming at a fotureday. The Grand :Jury . ftior intioary tulistry of e 'Whir statere..iti she for by the graziers in the spring : many were driven Great commotion hes been excited at Grimsby a ff idavit. fur the purpose of rebutting sem, ocewena . • grime& waled. end to the- elbsence of allwiis (wit % , away atisold. At the above fair, an extraordinary during the last week, among the o ffi cers of the lions which had been thrown ors this poor Lord in she judgment of the Comieleset lie, far •the . D,.. ewe-shear sheep (slaughtered by Mr. J. Pot LARD) Customs and Excise, by the landing of two cargoes an affidavit which had been tiled only yesterdob , . , was greatly admired for rosin, and symmetry; the of smuggled gin at that place, which have been and which he knew to be incorrect. IStis *Mice - BtolrLitie Concurred its opthickn with the attention or Posterity to so loom •a . vet weig h t, sinking offal. was 36,11 b. per quarter.— safely conveyed up into the country by the smug- The Loan CnancitiLoa observed that this tea. 'ffieOtifif Justice,• diet 'Owe see es iesthepty I, r these as the individual chewier of Lord Castle. The animal was bred mid fed. by the Marquis of l glera, netwitlisteediag the vigilant watch that has goat was quite within his Lordwfup'e view of the she tiskt claimed in the. present case.; isksersi am, noels This plea of the fidelity of history is a LIMN and had otter lasted either corn or cake. been kept up to detect the parties concerned. caw, fat be was always milieu that slhdevits this et was not a ceer.of summery emitistien, Of NI , 1 1 4 ... t ' . i .-., • . .1 . , . . • __...44.. --. _ -- - --". --.0.- - . - : ....,--, • ...- - - .. •.„,,,,,,,,,,.............. - ---- " nor- ...eismillk -1 4... _ wrer - .... - t alleanstse44llll.lll.oolllPmers., ' ...a- -' .'' '... 7. ... 11 A11 P - '"41 11111 11 1 .1111 "111 -: - 7—mber ' . 'ml.. --- - 01.111111111111101101111.1 1 - 1 .. . f~uDow pretence, it is mere “vant," it is an ergo• talent to which no min of ordinary talent would have recourse, unless iu the distress of s very bid cause. Lord Byron is unquestionably a great poet, yet he affects to stand aloof from human sympathy, and not infrequently he manifests hostility towards it. His mind has created to itself a peculiar and unhealthy atmosphere, in which it lives and revels, and, perhaps, though that is doubtful, enjoys. Ever and anon his muse transports him to the haunts, and prompts him to expatiate on the feel ings of men, and he then sings with ii power mid a sweetness that never fail to astonish and delight. Yet in his happiest fights some contagion still lurks about him—whilst he emits the most splendid rays of his genius, lie diffuser also some taint of the morbid region of misanthropy, in which his spirit delights to dwell. The epigrams in question appear to us to come from the very centre of this unwholesome region. We console ounielves, however, in the opinion, that the social sympathies, and humane feelings of our country, urc of u growth aid stsmins sufficiently robust and powerful to repel this noisome contagion, whether it present itself in the form of Sardonic sportivenets, of insidious sneer, or of undisguised ferocity. We have now performed a tusk which to us has been u painful one, and to which we hare been impelled by a desire to rescue the character of Englishmen from what we think an odious imputation ; and by a conviction, that the progress of liberal political sentiments amongst a generous and high-minded people, cannot be promoted by suffering the advo. cotes and partisans of those sentiments, for one moment, to be identified with the authors of The Liberal. We have heard that the painful affection of the head, to which the Duke of Wetunceron has lately been subject, was caused by the improper ap plication of lunar caustic to a sore ear. It touch ed the tympanum of the ear, which became irri tated, sod effected the nerves of the brain to • vio lent degree.—This we have from authority.— Evening Paper.) CAMBRIDGE. NOVEMBER 13.—The election for the representation of this University will take place about the 26th instant.—On Monday • Grace passed the Senate to apply for a asandames to confer the degree of D.D. on the Rev. DANIEL CRESWELL, M.A. Fellow of Trinity College. Also, the hono rary degree of M.A. was conferred on Lard "IIiOWAS Hay, of Trinity College. Extract of • private letter, dated Malta, Sep tember 24 Ihe Cambrian frigate sailed this morning tor Naples, and the Diana Dutch frigate for England. Sir Teoess MAITLAND Is homily expected here." Extract from a private letter, dated Venice, October 29, 1822 :—" It is rumoured that the priiscipal subject recently agitated at the Con gress, is the adjustment of the claims or of the future destiny of the young NAPOLEON. The destiny of Spain is said to have been decided at Vsearm. These are, of course, mere on due, which can have no other foundation than conjec ture. The king of PRUSSIA and the two young Princes have been staying fur the last few days at Venice at the new hotel, which has been recently furnished in • tnignificent style by the proprietor of the Hotel de le Grande Bretugne. The MEG left yesterday fur Verona, and the Princes return this day. It is expected that the Congress will terminate on the 2501, anti the Em peror ALEXANDER will then proceed to Florence and Rome. The EMPEROR has drawn on two hookers to the amount of a million of sequins for his expenses in Italy ;he spends magnificently. Spade do vero Imperatore, says My Apothecary, implying, 1 sup pose, that the other Emperor is • fool to him, and that the Austrian finances admit mily of a species of bastard magnificeoce. This day the sentence pronoonced by the Tribunal of Slate of Modem., tenon forty-seven persons, including declared guilty of high treason, has been published. The sentence of death on Professor GIUSEPPE An- DRZOLI was executed. That on FRANCESCO CONTI Has commuted for ten years imprisonment. The names include some of the most deningoished No- Offieers, and Doc toil. At Milne, sentence of death has been pronounced by a Special Commis. stony upon • number of Nobles, Doctor., &c. (coatumaci) declared guilty of high treason against the Austrian Government, they have been hung in effigy, and their estates have been confiscated." THE Fusios.—The market was very steudy yesterday and looked firm. Consols for Account. 82k 811 82k ; ditto for Money, 82 811 82; Reduced, 81 it ; Bank Stock, 2491; 31 per Cents. 931; 4 per Cents. 9821; New 4 per Cents, 10418; India Coin's, 40 4-2 pr ; Exchequer Bill., 5 7 79. —Foreign Stocks: New Spanish, 62 6lf Neapolitan, 78 77i 701 ; Rowan, 8 6 i 87 high, 90; Colombian, su 81. The Cores Authentique, or authorized statement of the fluctuations of the French money-market, is printed and published every (hey et Paris, soon slier three o'clock, the hour at which the regular public business of the French Exchange closes. After that hour, transactions th the nature of time baraitir are still corned un, and fluctuations take place as if the 'egoist. market watt still open: but the only official authorized account of the day's business is the printed one. The sheep fair at Stamford nn Friday the Bth instant, was pretty brisk, and an advance in price of •boot 2% a bead was generally obtained : abrading, sold at Hts. to 44r.: the quantity was about as large as usual The show of horses was a poor oar, and the prices were low.—Cheese sold from ss. 441. to as high as 6s. 6d. a atone.—The fair on Saturday for nest cattle was very large, and the prices gene rally were sot higher than the beasts were brought in for by the graziers in the spring : many were driven away unsold. At the above fair, an extraordinary two-shear sheep (slaughtered by MT. J. POLLARD) was greatly admired for q•ality and symmetry; the art weight. sinking offal, was 3611 b. per quarter. — Tim arias( was bred and fed by the Marquis of Until, and had never lasted either corn or cake. LAW lATALLIGANCR. COURT OF CHANCERY, LiNoomes FRIDAY, N ***** AR I. CONTEMPT OF COURT. CLAFIDRSTINE MARRIAGE. 1.62116 V. MINSWORTIL Mr. W . INGrigLD begged to state that the De- Tennant hi th,r caw *as it' attendame. and Imid mode on affidavit us dirrcied, but in *lnch he only stated that he it the youngest sou of a gentleman worth 40.000/. . Mr. 'haus appeared for the Defendant § and thought he could chew to the Court that in thia case there boil been no contempt of Coact. Mr. WINGFIELD--." The case has been already argued." The Loafs CHANCELLOR—is It has been dearly proved to me that throe was a contempt of Court." Mr. HEJILD—" I understood Not." The Loafs CHANCELLOR..." I was certainly of opinion that there had been a very gross contempt— and I think, Mr. Heald, your client is trifling with the Court, because his affidavit, when the case was before the Court a few days sew. west to state that he did know that his NOW wife was going to be made • wand, end to preview that hr took her to Gretna Green and emptied her, at which time, in fact, she was actually a ward ; and it stood over until t0..d..y, (list he might have an opportunity of informing the Court what kind of vettleutent he could make upon the girl, and what his relations would do fur him ; and stow it IMO. out that be has not one farthing, which is just as I expected, both from the demean our of tote parties and from every other appear sue,. Now I beg to inform your client, that I alas* mot, on any acconnt, allow him to treat me in on• rings manner ; nod his coming here to-day ent i ploying smother Counsel to re-argue his case, in stead of hasiug been prepared to give nit a proper reply to what I had asked of him, I think exceed ingly uttli,ndsome. I suppose lam to take it for granted that this young man has nu property of his own, nor yet any authority from his father, lofty that any of his property Is ready to be settled upon her." should be filed, sod as speedily as possibie •a. surered. Some discussion then took place as to the probs. biliiy of being ready with the alidsvits at ihr time nhich had been contemplated; but Mr. Hone Mid, he thought the slid/nits on kis side would be tiled within a day Or two. The LORD CHANCILLOI felt great anxiety that nothing should'he left undone which sight give the fullest information On the question. COURT OF KING'S BENCH, Weaning Ti n t. FRIDAY, Norman/ IS. RIGHTS OF ATTORNEYS. CO! O. COLIRIDUZ AND ANOTHIS. This cute came on Mr argument on demurrer. and involved the important question of the right of attorneys or counsel to be prevent on exaujinatimil Were Magistrates on the part of perilous charged with felony. The Plaintiff, who is au attorney of the Court of King's Bench, had attended before the Defendants, who are Magistrates of Lioculi shire, on the part of George Brown. also Mood charged with felony, for the purpose of eroseses *mining the Prosecutor's witnesses, and producitig witnesses on the pert of the peewit accused, tut the Defendinti; refused to admit his tight to do so, aid caused him to be put out of die mom. He brought his action against the Magistrates far an assault, who pleaded as a justification the tea pots of the Manilla in obtruding himself into their room. The Plaintiff replied, claiming his right us an attorney, to attend for the purposes of examining the witnesses, to which the Delendami demurred. Mr. COLERIDGE stow, on the part of the Ma gistrates, appeared to support the demurrer, nod contended that there was no authority whatever for the right contended for by the Plaintiff, tither by the statute or common law. If such right existed it would be productive of the greatest injury to the cause of public justice, for it then followed that there could be nu such thing as a private atomisa tion, and in the caw of on examination of ens of a gang of criminals, the rest of them migherecave iulormatirei frous the attorney, which woul4oatile them to evade justice ; or goods which had been nuke might by (aeons of such information be con veyed away, and the conviction of the robbers would thus become impossible. There was not only no authorities in favour of the right claimed by the Plaintif, but there were some authorities directly against it. Here the Plaint.ff chinned to attend before the Magistrates and examine wit nesses for the person accused; but for what par. pose should he so attend when the Magistrate him self had no discretion, but most commit the party if the felony war positively sworn to, even though the witnesses might not be of good fame sod credit. This was the law, as stated by Dalton, and there fore the attendance of an attorney to exam* op posing witnesses would be perfectly nugatory. Mr. COMMON SER./RANT, on the part of the Plaintiff, contended that every person accused of felony before a Magistrate bad a sight to have an adviser of legal skill, either Counsel or Attorney. present, for the purpose, if not of examining wit. acmes, at least efsuggesting the proper questious to be put in order to thew his innoceuce. Has Learned Friend (Mr. Coleridge) had relied princi pally on the authority of Dalton, some of whose dicta were not only without the souctiou of any other authority, but were directly subversive of the first principles of justice. He had laid it down that though the Magistrate shuuld know the wit nesses were undeserving of credit, yet it was the safer practice to commit. After that lie (Mr. Deo matt) hid hoped lime to have heard Dalton quoted as an authority. His Learned Friend had said there was no authority fur the right claimed by the, flan till; but Lord Colic had expressly said, io refineocs to the Ist sod lid Philip and Mary, Mut the tight of the party accused to have witnesses examined on his behalf was a right at common law, and the sta tutes were only declaratory. lie (Mr. Denman) contended that there was no argument which could be urged 'Oast this right of a poor ignorant per. son to have legal assistance at his examiaatioss be fore the Magistrate, which might not apply with equal force against allowing it in any case. It was suggested that the Attorney might give information to other criminals concerned, and there could bus be no private examination : but, in truth, no exa mination could be so private as to prevent that soil of communicatime for the person accused must he present, and might convey it to others if necessary. But this was tint pretended to be a private exam uotton. He eonreiced the present case was plainly deoingoishaWe from the eases of eliminations be fore the Coroner, for there were uo parties before the Coroner : it was a mere inquiry into fact', which might or might not afterwards woke some one in a criminal charge. On the ground* which he had urged, and because • contrary decision would be extremely prejudicial to the Wilts. of justice sad the liberty of the subject, he trasted the judgment of the Court would be fur Ins client. HOPKINS AND BEARD. This light, also for 20 soverriena, lasted 17 Initiates, in which IS snenalting roulade were fought. Hopkins in knows at the Firres'Court, and has science; sod his adversary is one of the herd Aghting Gipsy tribe, who did his work in the style of Gas in the Ant three meads, by • fearless and ex.. caning tomb. He got tired i* the fourth round, when Hop. kons broke gremend, pinked hint, and led the real of the tight. Hopkins woo with severe pouialtinent. A Tonkel fight for a sovereign hollowed, being bulk errs. The Knees picture was given to the loser of the second fight. A fight took place on Wednesday evening in the Waterloo Bridge.road, between • disciple of CA111.11.13 (who has lately opened another mart of sedition to that neighbourhood), mid a working man. The quarrel arose in consequence of the for mer u•ing 'owe irrrhgtou.espres►tons which led to angry words, and filially to blows. The contest, however, did not art long, for a severe blow put in on the mouth of " the Deno," artiird the business in favour of " the Christian," who orlvired his fallen adversary to be more cautious in future, in asser tions he could not support. IVeduesday morning an extraordinary fracas took place in the neighbourhood of Lower Grosveno►- place, Pimlico, between a Mr. L. C. and • Mr. M—N, in consequence, as we are credibly informed, of the latter eroding a very offensive letter to Mr. L. C., who immediately replied to it, by belabour. ing Mr. M-11 with a horsewhip, which in a shrug. gle between the parties broke; when Mr. L. C. thought proper to deprive a draymsu of his teaser, which he contrived to use with such dexterity on the trunk of his adversiry, as to induce him to take to his heels, to the no small satisfaction of a aume. rims assemblage of persona who collected to witness what they termed " coming to the scratch." Great commotion has beets excited at Grimsby during the last week, among the officers of the Customs and Excise, by the land* of two cargoes of smuggled gin at that place, which have been safely conveyed up into the country by the smug gler% notwithatandiog the vigilant watch that has been kept up to detect the parties concerned. THE PORTSMOUTH CASE. Mr. HALT—•s 1 Inqc to intern, your Lord.hjp, that there exists a difficulty as to huw the expenses is to be defrayed of the rued TO gentlemen who are to visit my Lord Portsmouth. Ism debited to state, that if the Court think+ proper to order it, the gentlemen einpin)ed on belpilf of the Noble Lord will ha►e no °bitellOn to advance the money on his amount." The LOUD CHANCELLOIL--" I can give no dio ►ection as to that whatever. While en application in lunacy for a commission is pending, the Court hes no jurodociion over the individual's property." Mr. Hoatse—" 1 must beg to state Lady Ports. mouth's utter incapability of being at the expense of it." The LORD CHANCEI.I.OR—" If leis Lordship can be brought to London under proper cure mid without being disturbed, I shall have no objectiost." Mr. WETHRRELL-.-" 1 did nut understinid that the expense of the medical Gentlemen who have already visited the Noble Earl, was ordered to be defrayed mit of his fends." The Lotto CDANCRLLOR—" Certainly not." Mr. SILIIRROW—" I big to inform she Count that Lid, P0'1%9143610* had received, on the nth ordains., near 1,000/. and since that time a farther sum of 5001. ; also, Lord Portsmouth was entirely without money wt-ii he tame to town. and Messrs. Drnminond pin hankers), and also the receiver of his rents. had got ouch notices served open them as to pleveut then' from supplying him with money." The Loao CHANCELLOR —" The truth is, i have nothing in the world to do , with that subject. If Lord Portsmouth is of a sound mind, and does not allow u proper maiiitesnice to his wife, she mast apply to a Court of quint another junadoction. The question before me t., to he of a mond mind or is he nut ?—And it is necessary for me Is take ill ;ma. Ode means of deciding justly ou that ; but in this stage of the proceedings 1 have nothing at all to do with his properly." Mr. Moans stated, it was quite impnisible twat her Ladyship could pay the heavy fees of the yeti nem medical mew going dealt. Mr. SIIIRROW begged permission to mit as adidasit, fur the purpose of rebutting Yee Weals. . lions which had been thrown on this poor Lord in RR affidavit slick had been tiled only yesterday s and which he knew to be incorrect. The LORD CMASICILLOR observed that this M. trot was quite within his Lordoittp's view of Ilse case, fur he was always *oxtail that slhdasits