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21' IPER P 11LMMENT. NOOSE OF PEERS. THURSDAY," 41.7 LY 23. Witnesses were examined relative to El Di voice Bill; which wa'rread a-second time. and come tuilteil for to-morrow. - - The Lottery Bill, the'lrish Beef and Pork Expor-• t.iti:)n Bill, and the ;rich Spirit Licence Bill, were ' read a 0164 time and passed. Mr: flobhcluse,, Lord Althorpe,. Mr. Chaplin, 01. Bcanmoht, Col., Allan; Mr. Stanley, Mr. Graham,, and several other. Members of the House of Commons„, brought up the Frpgmore House Bill and several private Nils, which were read a first time. . _ _ 'lts a Committee on the Milt Tax Rog' ulation and NtiAl!ie4 Recovery the LORD CHANCELLOR Stalt7Cl thlt he had . found on inquiry, that the clause to, which be hadcobjeaed was a 'usual provisitm in, Irish Revenue Bills, - and therefore he shOuld not op phse it. The Bill passed through the Committee, and was reported withont an amendment. . IRISH OLLIIE 110U5t;S. On the question fot• reading a second time the Irish Glebe Hothe 11111, - • The Earl of HARDWIGICE ,obje4ed to the Bill, which he, conceived to .be superfluous and utineces..' nary. An Aft was passed in 0303 for , the. same puipose a 3 Ole present BO), and no satisla6tory reas. son uas stated why that AO was not carried into emictltion, or why', after passing the former Atl,. the ...present Bill became necessary., Lord Ittnitsmt.E observed, that -in consquence of us being tennired in the former Aa that the Board of First Fruits in . Ireland should give security stir the Honey adVanced•from the Treasury for the building: . of Glebe Houses; and the Board from the nature of its constitution as ktrast being incompetent to give such security, the Ad becattie nugatory, It way therefore fotind necessary to bring-forward the present Bill in' ' order t ha t the intended measure might be at length carried into effed. The Arathishop of DUBLIN strongly urged the . expediency of c3!r)itig'this meainre - into etredt,l and. which could not be dune withotif the aid oft& 'pre pent Bill. . !7 . . The Bill was read a second time, and committed for to-marrow.` Adjourned till to- trOr row:(thip day). HOUSE; OF CUMMQNS, ;. ,,, i • • • ' 111UBSDAY, Jt.ILY 23: ..A . ) The SPEARta informed the House, that the per inns who had pre4ented Petitions complaining, Qf undue Returns for the Borough ofLanctister, and for . lientiew, had. 6110, to enter into recoginiauces.— These Petit ions were accordingly disChaiged. Mr: Johnstone, from the Seeretary, of State's Office in Ireland, presented an Account of the In'. ' terchange of Corn between the two Countries, kora • Odoti t l= I ao6, down to the latest period: . . , Lord Mt ttrON presented a 'Petition from the Cl oth Weavers In Yorkshfre, Wiltshire, 'Somerset, and Gloucestersh:re, arlainst the Woollen Regulation" VI, stating the distra&itos which pact 41.thAisted between them and their Ma“ers, and the hardships under whieli they themselves labotired.lle Peti tion wets arOered to lie on the tab!e. The Account's of. Brown and, Muscovado Spgar. • f.a. the h 6.1 13 years, laid on the table, were referred to the Committee appointed to consider 'of West India Affiirs. 'The Militia Pay Bill, Militia Adjutants' Bill, Mi- Witt Subalterns' Bill; aud . lrish Militia Pay Bill, were Severally read a deed, Unto,. rinepassed, , A Message was t . ceil tai tri,in the Lords; stating • that their Lordships had'agreed to the Lottery Bill, ... Irish Prevision Bili, Irish Spirit.Lic,cking BEI, and several Private Bills. , . . --. ;'. Tii Report of the Committee 'of Snpply. of yes, tertian granting to his Majesty the , inm of 2 , wi n, towards repaving King 11 , ...iiity VI i!ii' , . ( •1:i1,-;, s,v,ii brought up,' . agreed to, and a WI oid(Accl accord 7 , . joi?,.lr, - 1 .1."1ie Report of the Committee. on German iancn , wan also • bronght up, agreed to, and a Bill Ordere4.l, • aiBr6yably to that' Resolution. , '-Sir's'. To a+ 0 st, In the absence of his [Ton. Friend (fir. Let htuiilge). moved, that the'Or..lef of the D 4 fur the , Fitn.u;e rei , olving'ilito, a Gonmittet, of the whole House on Tuesday, on the taihjea of Mr. P•diTlAs ppolicatinh, he di ;charged. It 'was tie in imtion of . his, lion. Friend :to give notice wl*n he wislivci the Order 'to be tent! wed, Consi ',link that the bn4iness was not one in which an inditidual alone was interested, but that public faith W. 14 Unpilealed - in it ; considering also the late period of the Session, lie did not believe,it was the Wish of his Honourable .friend to bring i forward the 3111)jed at present. ' sTm(c. Ittict'oßv PILL, On the motion fortaking the. Report on this Bill into farther considvration, , . Sir Enw ARD LItTLIVIII?7 opposed the farther pia. ct±c ding 4.ti time Bill, on the ground that the whole of the L:orded Inter est it) the,Deighbourhood, and p`go out of ni.4.43 , 4000' of thoinhabitstitth Were decidedly, awinit it. It was a Bill btotight, tit by ih o ' Rot or .of:Stoke on Trent, of whieli'he was also the Pro tnietor, for lease to divide the Parish, by ere4tiug four chapels in separate Reaories, which' of course he was meant to have the privilege. of diSpOsing of. It was therefore a' private objeel which was sought to 1)v attained ntif!er the pretence. of public advent, ,- tage. In this argument the worthy ,Wronet was. ttupportect by the Honourable Mr. , Ward, Lord ,Mil:-. ' ttin, Eze. . . , Mi'..l-14.ykras, Briowne, Mr, , Stotru .ke.i on the whet' hand, contended that tree Rejtor of, the. Parittti, in which by she increase of Manufacuitiits, the "aim ,., bitants now amounting to :upketr(l3 iof 50,40 , alba the i: itly6rod of which was, upwards of 2nool. p r an mfti much to his honour, came forward ,ro,propose t'est it shiruld be divided Into five small. Rejories, t V vt•by prtwatig farad fOditional number'of deserv- I ',; Clergymen, who might be at present, as too. many. were, very inadequately i settled, . It. was - im . -possible that 40 0 000 or *0,00 . 0 porSOnb in one parish tAid be adequately attended to by ono ClOrgythan -, and it t.:Ould never be an argument against any4nea pure of real public utility, that it might, at the 'same. time., his ofintlividuAttdvantage. Thti ; Hollhe then divided, for the BM, 63•-. against it, I}---'Majority in favour of the Bill, b 4. P,AsT INDIA UONDS BILL, Mr. floottouas brought up - .the Report. of the. f' ?,ht India Bonds , Bill. - ienti o On the cptestien that the amen mittee be read a tiecond time, Mr. PETER Mootte-entered into-a .detailed state ment and review of the affairs of the East India Com. - pany, in order teihew that its debts, and embarrass ments were I be consequence of measures which had been - foiced'upon the. Company bythe Governinent Ind.the Board of Conteonl, for the etTeOs bf which the Company ought not ; to he responsible. It was. inconsequence of such - measures that the' wars which had taken place in India had embarrassed The Company, that the participation on the plan of the pablic had taken place but once, ,and contended theretbre that the public had a ri ght spot only to make good to ,the Uroprietors their, stoat s to the . amount of twelve millions, but also to discharge . the ,whole of the floating debts of the Company. , Mr. DUNDAS, replied; that that was northe time for entering into. a detailed examination of the India, Accounts. It was a most extraordinary doetrine to maintain, that the expellee of Ors undertaken for the defence of the Company's territories, should 'be defrayed bY, thepyblic. As to what- !lad biren said respeoling the participation on the part of the public,' he should only answer by hi tinTilig the Hon. Gentle man to the AC}, in which there was an -express ex 'ception of times of war. Lord Focits . roxi declared it to be his intention to resist the • thriller progress of _this Bill, et least until the 111(14 Accounts shOuld be before the House, and the ground Of hiS opposition was, that by the Tapers upon the table, .the affairs of the Company. appeared to be in a dilapidated state. Mr. W. §miTii. 0)uld•not agree in. the position of his Hon. Friend, that the Publ c ic should respon sible for the sums to : be borrowed under this or. for . any other of the East India Compaity:s debts; , and unless it should. be Understood from as explicit protest, it Resolution of that House, that by sant tioning this measure, it did not make the Palk a guarantee for the debts • to. be incurred under it by the India Company, he could not' 'consent to' the' _measure. , . . . „ : TtIe'CHANPELLOR of the ExcupauEtt was stir prised that any doubts could be,entertained upon this stihjea,' after the mOnner in which it had been,dis r , cussed on a tOrmet night. Undoubtedly by-passing this Itill that House was no more bpUrld to guarantLe the debts,cOntra:led pursuant to its provisions, than it was b4,inrid 10 guarantee the debts of any private. Company or Corporation authorised' by A(1 Of Kir liatnent to raise money tbr the purposes of its institu tion. Theponey, in thisiustance, was to be raisL.d on the sole responsibility of the Company, to which alone, and not to the Public, thelender was to look for the repayMent Of the sums he advanced. Mr. P rmw,,s. and / Mr. W. SUITII severally ex plained. Mr. Cttrevsx should support the ppposition of his Noble Friend to the further progress of the Mea sure, unless be 4hOUld be given to understand that the third reading would not be presied befiite the end of next week, by which time he unOerstood, the dia Papara - would be before the Mr. GliiNT argued 'against the supposition that the Public guaranteechhesc BondS, ict allowing them, to be issued, .1 - Te contended, that the excht,ive ter of the.Eaq Jncaia Cotoao: ..vas.the only means of preserving India to this C,Alittry. The contingen- Cies on which a writ , : i;t; in in the Gompanl's pro ins bad been promi.t the Publie, had been re tarded and, pl'ovent ., ,i by a state of War. They had bren calculiutid to aci:rue upon a'prospea of :Nmee. Dr. LAWIttOIGE argued, that the ti..0.r.0f the even tual liability of Parliament arose from the want of sufficient proofs of the validity of the ComPany'w sesurity, which Parliantent was*l - A;und to aleertain before•it shotildlive its san,::tott to the issue Of the Bonds. After some further explanation hetwe,em : Mr. GRANT awl Dr. LA w RENCV ) the Amendments' were agree,cl . IV. : inqiited that•time ‘should. be a110w...A low . ..A- to. make .inrpiiry into the,solvency .of the Colnpany, before any farther proceedingson the Bill. Mr. DUNDAS had no objeaion to-a delay t , f a few days for the prodiwt ion. of: the Atitounts now order ed, but he Wired a loud ripping up of the Com pany'4.olfairs Was intended: _ Sir JOIt N NIMEORT &lid, the enaa4ement entered into with I) niti to o . ut3in the windfall. of the Par liament of that Giutstry to the C..iinpany!tt ntonopb ly, wereas•liir from" tieing - executed as the 'stipula tions entered int, here. After same it! u explanalion between Mr. Ctiectitty, Mr. GuANT, De: LAW 4nd Mr. 3 Artirrattexu,, the Bill was orderett to I , C rO4 a third time this (by IRISU INSURRECTION BILL. Sir ARTHUR NVELLItBLgY moved that the Irish losurreaion Bill should be committed. - Mr. WIIITAREAD Illetlli°Heil that a Bill of this nature. was propowl to be intro , :iiced by the late Mniiiii i ...tratiou. Li the present bill the re were • • .• certaoly Rome dunk; olle o litAlable, hut he„WittrWll - [hot . it go.Comntittee l ill.Order to see,how fir it might •' • In the Cooltiiittee Sir Jou ti NEWPORT adverted to the clause Where the penalties were to attach 60 persons taking and administering illegal oaths, and also-gym) thogeswho shoal& ‘. present, aiding and a4kiihttug." It might happen, besaid, / that persons >Tight be present who were InougliC there under - I he influence td fear s and persons w tier knew nothing of, what. Was going forward. 1 t would be tllljilit to pi nish them as guilty persons, especially if the' blanks . were to be fitted ty aciording ta the Ad :of 93, with the penalty of death. To remedy this defeo, be proposed that Ik/ tire the words aiding mid assist the w9edi " knowingly and wilfully" should b.. inserted. , The ATTthiN EY GEHERAL contended against tbe intrnduCtion of t best! wilds, as rho wor di n g* o f th e clause, as it stood at prtrsent, could nut include,those who only . came-to the assemblies in the foamier de s( nbed by thOltigbt f ton. Baronet.' , WiltrilEtßAD observedolsatif pergons should be, present who were eolleded by torce, and yet did not object, they would perhaps lie considered as aiding nod assisting, without any 'other grumul of • conviction. In a Bill so - highly penal, it was neces sary by every, possible means to guard the innocent, and tjterttbre be .thought the words ought tu ,in trtxlneed, as ;it all events they could do no . harm: • The Clll NCELLOR of the Excugavert said, that the Arnendinott would unpile upon the Prosecutes. the necessity of proving, that the ()Wender had been, present by force, &c. &c. a circumstance whch Would reuder conVilOion: in :tat?) , eases impossible. Those that were brought into the assemones ey mete , means, might inform, and so save themselves. The clause, as it at present stood, would protect the-in 7 nocent, without leaving an opening; for dia.-escape of the g uilty. 'Sir i ottN NEwPottr..then proposed, that the wori, " and." should be inserted betWeeti " present;'' - and aiding and assisting," so that the bare arcurn-, stance of being present might not .by itself belever supposed to' be considered an evidence of t guilt. Thel.A.olcEt.t.ott of the EXCHEQUER .doubted Whether this would 'not tattier tend lo subvert the o6jea the proposer had in view ; 'audit - might, per-' , haps„ , be imagined,. that the being present and . -the'', aiding acid assisting were ~ separate Offences, each liable to the 'Penalty. . Mr. GitAtTAbi•rigreed, that if persons %youth:into' , these.as9emblies for illegal purposes, they ,iipuldhe-! justly liable; buethere_might be many, present With out any such views--they might 'go there tom the influence offear, or for ~the sake . of tlic - conipany---"' and not obstrua ivhAr was goingThrward from dread' of the'consequences . ; and care ought to betaken that they should not be considered liable to the penal ties. This was a very penal measure, and be strongly urged the necessity of not extending it further than Was necessary, and of having the chines clearly, defined, . • • . Lord t-I,.PETTY proposed that the word '`present" should be left out, and then the " aiding and'assist- Jog" must be distinctly in litoof." ' Mr. SOdEoN supported this aniondtbent •on .the grounds that. persons'" aiding and assisting" at a distance would then be included, who might per- . haps be th& most guilty. `. Lord H. PwrTy , did not propose it with a: view to extend. the penalties ; but yet ,certainly the , tno - st cunning might retire to another room, and so escape. punishment, though the most gUiltY. This amend meta *Would answer both the purpose of includiog the absent guilty,; and protesting the innocent pre sent. The Citabtorttoß of the ExcithauEtt Iseemed disposed to admit the Amendment, on the grounas of its r Including the. guilty absent. Mr. WHITBREAD, Mr. GR,ATTAN, Mr r MARTIN, and mr.•LAMBE, however, objected to it As extend- .; in the penalties to an indefinite length, 'addie4ing the crime not properly actin**, Sir A. Wm..t.zst.Ev stated,: that the penalty of death was out of the question, as it was inteoded to fill up the blanks with transportation for life, or for seven years, ',recording to the nature of the crime. After some observations from Mr. Ciottr4l,„ Mbrtais„ and Mr. LOCKHART, TIW CHANCELL.OI4 of the 'ExtmEatmallkoposed to meet the -ideas 'of the Gontlemen opposite, .by adding a provhion " That those who should be.pre 7 . sent from-inevitable necessity, should be held inno-• Cenq and justified, provided they gave information wit bin ten days aftrward..r."---ThisAmendmenrWas agreed to. ..• The dfscussion on a clause- which subjeas per, sons.wandering or q)journiog -in a place to.be , corn , miited to jail, ny a ,, r • M N istrate i , within the district, there to rewin until released bv aqt' ermrse Gf law"; ocenpied the House.. for noirl‘ three hours. Lord limo,' PWLTY, Sir JOHN NO.VPORT, afid Mr. AVEmsa.SAD, eliforeed,, in the tuosC to ling manlier, a con,i4ta , ;(frii of the mifusops which strangers Would 'he sobjeeteii, as they . mist necess:r.. rily have (Its , gremo.st difficulty in cleat - log up their chaeaCter, dr•vecourting for- i;t,y s4spicions situation •in which . they Might .be . tbund ; the might; in, faft; be aPprehended either abroad or at home, either; wandering oy sojourning, tiR want pf the= power give a . satistiw.tory acciamt of th6inseli'ci, Sir J. NEWPWIT moved Amendment, audio , rizing an appeal-to the Lord Lieutenant,- or to the Qum-ter Ses , ,ions. • ‘ - The SOLICtTOtt-GENERAL. proposed., th a t the ap peal ShOtlld be. to the Lord Lieutenant only. wits .supported by the-Chatte4;llo: of tb• F A ch o 9l l ,:r, the Attorntl-G.:rlor , l l , mid se%er,il (Abel . 1106. Men!- 'hers; both 4)n tlit ground of exrdiency 44* ten , - deniesg furthe ittnation titit slyposet.cigisonet. At length the linuso divided, and there were-t- F o r Sir, J. ITewp9rt;Antelidrpent rt- . . Again,t it J 27 Theclanie Wei 4 then so Hr. tnodified'that the Ml gi,tote4-tthould,be. cotopetted to tranAntt to the Lord Liimtenant,, the story of the. 'stranger, or other ae cu,e(t pers(tn, along with his 'accusation. • - Tire Mho. dziusos of the Bill, were agreed to with , out any material amonsitueol.- ,tul Mr, Wn ITT3RE;tD's B ll,for the Reliefig the Poor was ordered .to b , ointrf tted to4nOrrow.', Th - t. other. Orders tvere disposed of, anti the House - - , adjourned at one o'clock, • - MAILS. • AitaivlA—T Gottenburgh, 2 Tonningen, t 1 " "9 " enbUr j4 I Waterford. PRICE OP :;TOCKS TIIIS uNy Ar TWELVI Q t CLOCK: Consols - . b+.# ► o,inniuM • - 'HS TII E. 5 U N:. 111:11.GM Vitt. DJCLNE EA.LIIUM At/ORAT LONDON, rgumy, JULY 24, 1.807*., • WE, last night received Hamburgit •andiAltona Papers to the inst. the contents of Which are, important, and, we are sorry . to Say, not of a more sati , ,l,Aory nature than the ;mass . of intelligence which /has recently reuelied tus.— Lord litncniblsorry has left •Nieniel; ar eyed at, Carlstroon„ Ir. wilt be recollefted- that Iris Lordhhip's mission was tothe'Ktire Of PRUSSIA I and lc 16• probable tli,ll one• of the first conchtions which . BONAPARTE linpOSt'd upon that unfortunate Ntinarch was, 014 he shoplci di miss t:h4 BriS4 Minister. It appears, by letters from cllistailtino ple, dirt an A6tion has, talten place bet6gil the Russian and Turkish Fleets, in Which; it irtiaid, the hitter had the advantage. From the manner, chow-. ever, in which the account is given, we have no doubt 'that the Turks were comple te l y d e f eate d . I t is,;ylinitted,that.five of thir Snips were ,blown out of the Line, and 'the epITAN P.ACHA relrealed accounts .state, that the English have evacuate d Alexandria. The Garrison, it is said, after the second •Aefeat, before Rosetta, was reduced to WO men, and deinanded permission to embark oh board Admiral Louis's Fleet, which was.granted. This statement_ obviously„egaggerated ; but we are inclined to be lieve the main fad, of the evacuation of Alexandra. Hoitilities commenced in Pomerania. Mar shal ;,BRUNE has published a kind of• Proclamation', or Manifesto, _against. the KING of SWEDIIIN:•-. Id this Manifesto . to it is curiOus,_ but not inconsistd eat with the French charieter, to' find Marshal IBRUNE complaining that the KING of SWEDEN ate tempted to draw him froin his allegiance, at the 'same, moment that - the -Bishop of •QUINPEK is ,publishing an Ordonance, in - :whiclk therg is plainly-an intention to . interfere between the legal , authority of • the British Monarch and his Catholic S9bj-eats of Ireland: A§ this Ordonance could not, be issued without the authority of the Srench Go veramento it must be imputed solely to that authority, The Embar'go which has been laid upon every Ve . s selintheditferent Ports of this Kingdom,will probably not be:continued above four or 'five. days. The Ex pedition will sail from - Yarmouth to-day or tp . . BY Letters from Barbacioei we learn'tbat Captain "SRERRIFF, in the Curieux Sloop of War, bad cap tured and carried into that Island a valuable Spaniiir 'Vessel,, Which he.ell in with off Martinique., The, Vurieux 'and-Rosario Sloops - of War were about to sad in company;tocruize for some rich vessels from Old Spain, of which Sir, ALEXANDER COICLIRAZO had received, intelligence. . . It vasnot. tp, he' e.steged• that 'Lord PASl'l,.;°. as/toll's - Plan fiir the National Di. erice, .were it as perfect as if ',it had been termed by supernatural wisdom, Would have pacaied zwit I lout objection from men who are . determined to upposev.h..tever may proceed from. the present Administration ; though, in the present state of Europe, sense of common clinger' pugbt Lo eittinnisla all party differences; The principal objeetion to the new Plan is, that it is, attended with the revival of THE BALLOT, which is , a:leclvd to be a grievous . rneaure, because it is conn tended that it will fall chiefly °n i che four. It is a..• principle whiCh cannot be disputed, that the put,lic.' safety the soprani law, and therefore that, Government has right to call. fur, the support of 40 to «iiout it: affords proteCtion: That 0 0 )4- t Lyt 'a ;novo. P.x.tiunitliv 00 . 11.11001 i tiilddling nod lower cider; of the Peop*Ahatv . upon the more opulent, must be ad tnitte d,. beC;ttse of . the interior number of the lat ter description., Bat this is 'nh objection grounded upon thequndamental principles of society, and.to . which,ltiert!fore, in particular .exigenoies i . •the bulk of the People . must necessarily subMit. The only coleation then k, what is the best mode of se fi e r t int the burtherGbytaking . trotri,the necessity of imphsidg.. it all .suspicion of ..PaEtiality ?' The Ballot-presetfts itself as that means. But though the ,rich cati.with tuuch . greatett ease exeMpt, themselves from the duty which falls upon - them if the Ballot should be drawn against them, may it not be urged, that, in the se.<ll of expense which their rank oblicerthern to adopt,. they are - constantly paying, More taso 4 to the Statelhan Cie poor,' and that the lower claisc 4 should cal l . ' ' of life aro supported by that very sc al e o f expence• Hence then, if the necessity of the Stati.. upon the inferior classes to support it wish thcir per sonal.service, iuis their duty in turp . .to come tOrwara . cheerfully and gratefully in Sol itudable a cause--a oae s° too that imperiously calls on them, 'for. their Ow n sakes,'.since whatever inconvenietr:emay attend t he Militia (and to that . only will they be compelled by the impartial decision of the Ballot), it Will be lig" . indeed in comparison with I.Vltat ,they: woad : obliged taendure if it' were possible that a crilnitot tlePOgtianee, 'or - a' stupid indifference to the Nationst safety, shoUld render them an easy prey to a r e. morseless Invader. Bat we told, that " nothing but abiolute necessity can justify"ito" an the Vs/tit er° add, that they " see no such 'necessity," We m 3l then surely ask them, what is became Of their Ore s ', or wiy they do not tiara - them toqards the state of the Continent, where they will "see agigantic Power, which, having overcome all obstaclesiliere, is Wi' to dire& itself, with augmented force, and onar, peasrable vengeance, towards this Country ? If MO' a prospe& does not present a necessity that calls Of 'all our energies, We'ltriow * not what can bu L the aaual tread of hostile feet upon our shore, s1)311 resume thii Subjea, as it is 'of t he Utmost . importance in -the .present condition et affairs ; and recurring . to . Lord CA3TLEIOO46II4 System, we iloubi not that upon' a fair irtvestk gation, and v‘ i ithoicb •- modifications as . the 4/1 " dont of Parliament may. suggest, it will be.found one of the best plans for the augmentation of the natio' al force that has ever yet been submitted to th e &aloft, to the good .sense, and io the patriotism °. our countrymen.