The Sun. — London, England, 1813-05-12 00:00:00

Fon. em Gentlen knew nothing at this moment, , hen they bad gone so far as to have the second reading of the Bill stand on their orders for this night.---Cflere he read his motion, anti proceeded • to expatiate at great length upon a number of most important topics, but we regret to say so in audibly to the gallery, that we could •only occa ' f.ionally catch a few of his statements, without be ing able to' collect the infereneessor conclusions drawn from them. We are therefore compelled to content ourselves with a very imperfect out liue rf sonic of his able and erudite arguments] Ills wish was to collect evidence, and produce a report that would not discredit that House, or the. twenty-one Gentlemen whom he had it in content. 'dation to , name on this ComMittee. He repelled the ohleetienis that had 'formerly been urged again ,t this 'Course; and contended, that it was tbe-only mode cif arriving at 'necessary and useful inforniation to enable them to legislate wisely.- 7 - Great bilormation had been derived from the Tree- , tatus Eceie, , ;ice, but still more would be extracted from the labours of a Select Committee. As or the Bill now before the House, with all his re spect for the able. persons who framed it, lie could not think it worthy of approbation. Ile could not say of it moterimu superabqt opus ; and he dif fered as entirely front the clauses introduced by lhe Itt e ght tionourahle• Member for Liverimni.— T 4 lion. Baronet then retCrred to Several pamph lets on the. subject of the Veto, .and conteaded that the Veto had excited no dissatisfaction among the Catholics till they were agitated and stirred up to resistance by anonymous writers. The Catho lics viewed the 'present Bill with horror, as ap peared from the Irish papers was the case in that country, and the sentiMents of many of the Eng lish Catholics were in unison with theirs. And :chat were the regulations ,with which they Were 'trssatisfied ? Iteulations, he would undertake to , prove, which existed in every country in. Europe, and, were acted upon in all. This position he corro borated by reading extracts front Pr. Milan's writ ings.. lie opposed the Bill in its present state, be . cause no information had been circulated in order to remove Protestant prejudices against it ; and because did not satisfy even those for whose be nefit it was proposed to enact it. Let Gentleinen read Dr. t ilnet, antt they would find that he and all rite Catholic Clergy, ; and tin hpilleriSe number of the 'Laity were ready to ascent! the scaffold and, embrace the axe or the halter rather thanssub mit to the provisions Of the Bill and the clauses of the Right Hon. Geutletpan (Mr, , I.or himself, he had adVocated the anise eight years, and was still friendly to it ; but that it should be carried into effeetpioperly, it' Was indispensable that they, should be acquainted with papers on and under the table. (The Hon. Baronet had a chest full of papers on the floor, and a number on the table). In the case of the Slave Trade: Abolition, they had Comniitte,e on Committee, and Report on Report. This was the:reasonable course to en lighten the public ; and surely if ever it wits rad site, it must be so on a measure Of this impor tance. It was but decent that they should not write to a decision while mutual charges and re crinfinations run so high. When Prelates of the hight” , t character in the one church, i‘ccuseti those of the other of entertaining dangerous doctrinee • and tenets—till thee. twitters were clearly explain ed, it would be most unwise in -the' Legislature to' re,s a law on the subje:J. The matter of the civil authority of the Pope ought partienlarly to be in quired into. That authority was greater titan many pers'ins apprehended, and it would.be well to re eolleq that e'en the Catholic Mary, when she re pealed the laws oilier father Henry Vlll. against. the ( I ,atholitis, repealed only those of a religious naturo pas:ieti after the 90th 'year, Of his reign, brit continiied in 14 )I're the civil 'enactments of the ear lier periotl..The Se i 2 of Rome hn'l great civil power in respect to marriages., to and in many other ways, and on all these' points* was thought absolutely necessary by Catholics to have ccottr,:„e to the holy Father. Another subject sAiell called imperatively for in vestiptiim and Pl' waS the - state of Mooastic .Religion and of Monastie Institutions. Gentlemen, it' they pass ed this Bill, might not expect to see processions Of 1101110 i mud friars in tits streets of the Metropo , nut such might be the case. He, for tare, had no objection to a Roman Catholic Lord layor, hut. he confessed he would not like to see the sword, and 1113 CA! Carried before him in pro , .!cs , :ion to a Catholic; Chappl. Without wishing to Intact value the. Rill, be 11(. 1 ,1 that Some collateral securities Were absolutely necessary: Such securities were deemed oecessary hy all States (as he could prove), and Buonaparte himelf had ac m accred upon the in thcieMkiblis„hnient of the Galilean, Church. The oath proposed mightibe ample security= with those Catholics who took it, but he wanted something it) protect us against the encroachments of the Pupil See. This was the opinion of Lord Gren ville, in !SOS, when he advised the other House against hasty and inconsiderate concesion, with out. providing safeguards consistent with the exi. geueios of the titlle'4. But the in , Atilicieney of the oath 11 it perfect security Was ObViOtt9,‘ from the numiler of Catholics who took tlitAe fo rco dy L i ll down .hy the law, lle lid made studioui inquiry into thi , :sohjeet the details orwhicit ale vent ii npd state;i to the House, the n only about one thousand eight .hundred CAtiolics •had taken the . oaths in 31 of the most populOuS coml. ties in England, sinee the year 179 l. On, the su bici:t of the education of the Boman 'Catholic Clergy, lie could not avoid expressing his'surprise at the narrow policy ti some persons who had proposed to reduce the extent of the establishment at rA,vimoth. AVouid any man deny that it was not l.wtt , A .- that the Itormin Ceholie Clergy should he well educated ? IVoidd any person wish that the order of the'Jesnits should be extended ; Ger• laitily there was no better way of preventing this, than to atrord sitaident metilli for the hiStruction 4' 4 : those persoiri %Imo were educated for the (obti , cl A aere tzars a I Oil in the coun try, whldt thought' itself hotitltl to 8) -t the . .. i p t ();t; ,° : l esai i ts . the: support(if .0 suthcieot to nect,„'„l:„h s Was .ilttl e d e Mori , tstic h, the would not only be highly impropeo l Vtt e 'Jill through the Hunie w ith out -4-mil my ilo airy, --7 but it would I,r!, highly prejudicial to the bleittUelpittion. It ti t i lcr, per. bops, be saia, that such language was against 04 Bill ;' but he wonhl say that the Bill should not be carried through before the subjects compre , bended in his incition were duly considered, as they were all objects oflegitimateland wholesome inquiry. Spain, Portugal, and several of the other Continental States had found it, lecessary to legis late for the purpose of abridging the temporal au thority of the Pope ; it could not therekre _be denied, that it behoved British Legidators to exa mine the acts of those PoWers, and - the etfectS which they had produced, before they passed a law involving a question of a nature perfectly si milar. The Honourable Baronet. then went on to particularise the Papers• for which he wouhl. move, as connected .tyith the laws of foreign States on the subject of the intercourse, pzrtnitted to exist be. Teen ftoman Catholic Clergy and the Sec of Rome them.! :Consisted partly of Cares-, pondence ' between.... British Ministers resident abroad with different Continental Governmentg on this subject. :The Papers, 'as they contained in formation relative to the establishments in foreign. States, were necessary to he laid before the 'louse, and to lie submitted to the eansideration of a , Committee, :rhe only .objection which he could anticipate to his motion'was, that it woulthietard the bill then before .the House : but whatever might he the state of pro ,, '' ress'of that Bill, the ,test which it was intended to effect, was the set tlement of that great question, and this certainly mould not be . attained without a compliance with his motion ; In order that the house rnight. pos sess such information a; to enable it to, determine upon :he pro .:r securities, and, by examining the regulations. of other kingdOnts to that effect; and the success.with which these regulations had been attended. The Catholics might perhaps say, why ought the House to legislate so strictly against thern ) Why suspect their loyalty,? The answer to this was, that ,SpAn, Prussia; and other S,tates, had legislated so, and that the laWs of England should be framed .on the same principles. - .The. Bill Which wa§ then before the House might be presSed through by a casual Majority, but would that majority convince the nation ? Speaking as . a Catholic, he would say, that the . mode by which it was proposed to carry through the Bill was un constitutional and uncanrinical.-: Pariiiiment wai no longer acting upon the principle of simple re- . peat, al:hough that. doctrine had been broached • by some persons. It would be but 'just to ac knowledge that lie did , not Alien advocate any measureiwkieli be had not proposed runny years ago ; and to prove this, it was only 10..rehsary:for him to refer . to the correspondence which had taken place between himself and a Noble Viscount opposite. He moved ' " That a Select. Conimittec be appointed to examine and report the state 'Of the laws affectin e , ,, his Majesty's Roman Catholic Subjects within the realm—the state and nutliber, of tire Amman Cathslie Clcr,:u—their religious institutions---and their intercourse with the See of Rome, or any Other ForelLin jitristlicton—a state of th..• laws' and regulations affecting his ISlajesty's Royal Catholic Subjects in the several Colonies of Great Britain—the regulations . of Foreign States us tar as th,;y - canihr substantiated by evidence, respecting the nomi nation, collation, or ntstitutlorr of the episcopal order of the Roman l',!alholic Clergy, and the regulations of their inter course witit the Sec of Rome; and that such Committee have the usual ptiwers - ofsend:ng 'f or I,ersons, papers, and reCor,di; And that it he'restrtctee. indinctint: of the tiolfse in ifs re, port, merely to the of facts ,appearing in eti &cites." Mr. GRATTAN' said, that with every feeling of 'respect towards his Honourable Friend (Sir C. Hippesley), and with the most thorough convic tion that he vas actuated, by a sincere desire kir the success of the great . canse, in the promotion 'of which, he had so long and so ably laboured, he found himself compelled to say that be brought forward his motion at a must tinseasoimble time. His honourable Friend proposed his' four motions on the supoosition of ignorance respecting the laws which affected the Roman Catholics, and, than such a proposition there could scarcely hp one, more umvarrantable. The Honourable Mover could not have fin got that twenty-16m. years had elapsed since the lirst agitation of time question--- be, must have remembered that it was af?:tated in 1789, 1791, 1792. 93, - 95, in 1805, 7,9, twice in 'lBlO, twice in 1811, three times in 1812,, and twice in 1813--he must have recollected 'that in numerable publications have appeared at different times on the same subject, many of them by him self---he could not have forgot all the victories s-hich he obtained by his publications, nor his able arguments on theology. The- object of his liconoitrable Friend's motion was had been defeated by. the signal :service; which he himself - had performed. A resolution hail been • been pasSed,by the House,, advising the repeal of the penal laws. What was time motion of his Hon: Friend:? h was, that the house shOuld appoint a Select Committec.to cousider whether there was any foundation-for that resolution which had been ' formerly passed. His Honourable Friend had said that if his motion defeated the'Bill, and-prevent ' ed it from passipg during the present Session, it' was very well; and the cause of emancipatiol. was promoted : the question was, therefore, not for a Committee, but whether the House would reject the Bill. By agreeing to the motion, time House would declare that the Resolution which it had passed had been precipitate. Catholic emancipa- Owl Was to be postponed not for six months, not, for a Session of Parliament, but for the purpose of appointing a Couimittee to inquire into matters , so complicated that many years would necessarily elapse before the object could be effected - . Time delay was not to he for one Session, but for ten or twenty years. After Parliament had taken so long time to deliberate whether or not it should ,nct with liberality, if time House was to agree to the motion, it would uo worse than reject time Bill ; it would do that -which would amount to a declaration of ignorance, which did not and which could not exist. : The exhibition of time Penal Laws was by no means necessary for, their repeal ; oil the contrary,- such an exhibition would only raise old animosities, and rake up that which ought to be consigned to eternal oblivion,. Vet this was the object ,of the mnotiou : and the Committee was intended . not only to renew the memory of the Penal Laws, but to try the Roman Cathotks on the charges of ..the Bishops.. The House would maintain its dignity ,hy avoiding any .ne . ll - 4:oracro-• yersy. It was to be a fjounnittee.“l discuss con troverted questions—matters of religious contra-• -versy ; nay, - it was to be a • CoMmittee of diplo rfiliCY, far it was to :obtain infarmatiott 'froth ylooltatiC correspondence, and it was a Committee which could not. Cane to' a Report for many years;. "yet there was to be no Bill for the retie( of the Ca - - thotics until the Coll4lnittee should makeits report. -He found hitty;elf Oldiged to oppose such itino • • tion, and he (flit so with that respect which he always had for the eminent service's of the Hon. Baronet in the cause of .the Roman Catholics.: Lt. had been. said that the Bill w hi c h was b e f ore the ; House `had given great offence to the Catholic . Board oflieland ; this assertion he positively de nied. The whole body of the Catholics, in as far as he i could learn, were well pleased with th e ßill, and would be . most happy to accept such conces lions from Parliament. He intended to. move as. •an amendment, that the Order of the Day should' . be read ; and it was for the second reading of the ('atholic Bill. Ihis. Bill was diVided into Ibur • harts. BY the first part, Roman .Catholics are al lowed to have seats in Parliament : by the second,' they are allowed to vote :at elections : by the 3d, to hold civil and military offices : and by the. 4th, they are to be made admissible into : corporations. The principle on which the Bill had been framed 'was that of incorporation. ' The 'great question ; and the gre a t o bj ect was to commun i cate to the- Roman Catholics the same privileges enjoyed by .Protestants, in as far as this—could be done con sistently with the safety of th e C onst it u ti on . It • had been said, and with some effe.et ,that theCa ' tholic Board had ,not only opposed the Bill, but made it the' subject of sonic resolutioas.— This, however,•was quite uutouoded; the Catho lic Board had neither sanctioned r, or adopted any such resolutions,. Any argument which might be founded on this would be fonnded'on a report, and that report was not the Net. The Catholic Board had met several times; ' at last had come to a resOlution—not against the, Bill but to send DelegateS to London. There.was there fore no reason to assume thati.there existed any dissatisfaction against the Bill.. If the House - vas' not come to a decision on. the Sub .jee, as long' as there was any Newspaper that wrote against the Catholics, and •as long as any of the Clergy refused the veto, then they might bid good bye to concord for ever. The principles ou which it was necessary that Parliament should le gislate were, the liberty of the Catholics, and their -own security. Whatever infOrinati;m he had,• tended fo shew that, the disposition of the Catho lics towards the State was quite as good as that :Vhich had been manifested by the State.towards, them, in the Resolutions which Parliament. had passed in Weir favour. This clearly .spewed that there was,a.re-action of feeling, and a recipro city of sentiment ; far every advance made by Parliament towards conciliation, was gnat by a. correspondent manifestation of an inclination to' be satisfied On the part of the Catholics. One 0h... jeetion which. bad been made to the Bill was, that It:did not give to the Roman Catholics a right to vote in the election of the Peers. The Bill, how ever, did confer this right, upon the subscription. of a certain oath.. Another objection - was, that the Beneh , was not •inclifdedirt the offices to which Roman Catholics were to be . pdmitted ; nei ther was the right voting in corporations permitted without the subscription of an oath, , .'which ; Was likew;e thought necessary on ad .'.fitission to the Bench. It. was said, that' the' Bill excluded -Roman' Catholics 'from the Col leges.• but if yaws no such t hi ng ,.. I t did-ind ee d exclude them from every thing ecclesiastical,. and the word 4 sit exclusion' had. been .inserted from it conviction almost 'universal,. that it was not rea sonable that they Should he achnitted to any thing eceleaiastinel. The Bill, therefolc, secured to the Roman Catholics the • following pri .only. modified by certain conditions, yam-Ist. They were alloWed to vote at the elec tlon of their own Peers4-2d. They as ere admitted to Corporations-3d, to sit in Parliament-Ith, To civil and military offices---sth, to the Bench-6th, They were not excluded from ;colleges, hr.:: in 'that respect left to the law as it stood— 7th ,They were nut prevented, from' acting as,t4oardians to Protes tent children. Such Lreing the privileges conferred . by the Bill, it was certainly,one of incorporation. He Would next speak of the securities which were required of the Roman Cath o li cs . Th e Rouse eel.- ttiiirly would not have approved ( 1 ,4 the proceedings of the Committee if it had drawn up the hill on the question of right, and lit ot on the benefits, of the :case of the Catholics,; 'for, it would not have been proper to have gone into any. such abstract principle. The great object of the bill was ad justment, and the soul of adjustment was incotpo,- : ration. It was, therefore,thought bett er t o ` remove thelaws which might prevent adjustment ; for, had' the ; penal laws been entered into, they would have produced much irritable Matter; but, by doing away these acts, a way was opened for adjustment; while:the offenSive matter in the nett themselves was avoided. In 1793 the - HOnSe did not proceed npon any numerical or abstract principle, ,and the con sequence was that. the Bill whichwas framed, al• forded to time Catholics' lunch comfort. - The se curities were as follow The exeeptioh'of the' office of; Lord-Chancellor, and this because that office, in one point of view, might be consi dered as (mein a great degree eeelosiastiettl. 2d, The exception , of ; the office of Lord Lieutenant of Ireland, 3d; The dkeeptiOn from atlvi.vson. Ath, Th e I , :,ceept,ion of a - ,,y place. in any. Ecclesiastical Court of Judicature. lith, Exclusion from COl legiare Establislonent .Or Foundation. 6th, Ex clusion from any office in any Upiversity. The exelusion' from any place in a school of Le elesiaStical foundation. Bth, the prevention of the exercise of any right of presentation. 9th, The transference of the rightof presentation. 10th, An oath of itilegimice, and ot, abjuration of the regicidal power of-the Pope, of abjuration of the • • deposing' powerOf the Pope ; -an abjuration of the temporal poWer Of' the Pope, and also of his, in fallibility; an.abjuration of the principle of no faith with Heretics; it also swears the Catholics to protect the established Government, and to di cover any plots for the, suhversion of the ; esta blished religion, Sze. & e . If Ito: was asked why the oath %vas so long ,and so particular, his an swer,was, because it was part of a fundamental: oath of the land ; and because the object was to increase the seetnities. While the fundamental , :oath was augmented in point of extent; it as also generalised.- Besides these hecrities, there were two clauses which had been suggested by a Right Gentle:nau .( Ir. C.), the object of MS to secure the complete domestic nomination o f Vohops, and to guard against foreign nonliutt- tion: Tie submitted the Dill to the tina; . t: h.; .tthhomitiessv,asn,,bbieiceaiitisseccittaceidnattliiceipitted the Itomiliital P mem. • The main securities .‘ere°retet'itlliult-L-1:1 ese-it:11:i1;:4 corporation-2d. A bar against Catholic isifit;,!;i:,, in theChareh,9lll-34, A. bar against tlichitoet' ence of any Foreign Power. The 1;i11 was - wh'eli no one could well objec t, Without el)?''''' in;; to Catholic prluciples . 'mid Prort.,s.taut- city. Ile then moved, as an amenthitent,."( l'ill: the other Orders or the 1).0; be it;'-' 14 ." .'4 ' . A.Ir.,RYDE:t observed; .that the,Right lien 1 • 14} )e gentleman opposite had cootetneil hi"l , with stating; that from :11l appearances Cietviii',. of th e liontati Catholic Boar; wOiliti. In 5364 1 'with the intended Bill. ' But what, he.wotili! so , 1 would :tasty the ProtestantQ, s hould t',:is J, ll l' 4 ' into a law ? By it 1.1,c 1...,,iy Coi•poratioiii, 1,4 Courts of Jit:,tice, the Army 1111;1,,;1 e 1• • the Cabinet were to 1;e open to the' 1 14 ' 9 '''' I .: e , 111 . " 1 ies , without any additional ...,Tircit - .:'• ''' ,i , 111 , 1 ()C , the Bight no:lourable Gentleiti,ol'coiitjii,v, •Int,eeo, an oath . to be takes! by Itotno Cati)o:loi, hilt this could not be., considered as all ildii," 4l ,' / '. security for the new advalitc,4o' grante' L ''' r. . c,l Avent . no farther than the teith'.cout:iidul 1'1,.. vOttl"of , the Romani e:itholics. As' y '''''. . .4ill-91. 1791, 11141 in til , . 1 ri.i:: Dill of 1 4, i ; .'‘ -.Bill of the Right tionotirebh• Gentlearo %,..' e_onie under discussion, h e . ~v(iald DOC tr"u 1)1 !" Illottli= by premature objectiond, bat rtl ii , v , f ;; ; ,:..t . s self to the niotion of tile flonatitisc. "''.l'ittea opposite, which deserved the niost '',',' , 1 . . „ II - tion : the more so', as he had al \cjv 4 ,.. ~:l ' al the most strenuous Stipporter..;, ''' ` L i -lt and his doubts - came of. eour 4 " .,,. -t , l'. v'' *eight than from one o f its 4- u , ',. 1 . t .f .. ( l. ei )) : l : l P l o i g lil t i i i i r : l . t. ce ss t i l t i t r c i e s : s . lll l -i sr ß o ee n s e( ;s lC . l . G c a r i h t i l e l ees a :ii i :t ° I . j :n l i fl e le i c: : r t: % l v e la l e in /.'r i t h ‘ l'''ittia ` i)r i; : l fi' l i(jga' i :i: Piteets ? He was sure that the 11•01). ''''''''":' t• always proved himself the hest friend to t 3 t: i present occasion, he t i : i e .: h i :t i c:l IntalYtil,ti bliosrtc'e(iTei!iii'll t c i t.::i s t e ie ‘ s vhi p e r h o i s i d a d d ed, by the nil . hat theY " 1, . la 0 , not appear to hien sufficient to depart al "„, e ,, to r until the infornibtletie:ii‘nisrp°oviiiidtee'til loiet°lll;tl::etillait Baronet had been obtained. lirhen eitn.ii.o,., stitutions were formed unknown to Guyeilliplil when a stun of 90;0001. eras already sttbsci l, ' i tao a:Jesuits College, would any one 5: 1 :f l 3 ,'! 0 e1l quiry was necessary, or that the res. vi c il l i i 9 an i g r e Y s ‘ i .i t c i 71 I i d e i l u li t l I.si%vh:AlcieU cttebil'ii).l(ll“llt'4l''ece:"°::4:: gratitude of the Coin/lies •for - plt s 14v"rs-' sample of .w What c , Might reasonably eYP6l„cla's them for more' substantial ones ; but %,.vh',ltdiirui fact ? ()nt of a population of 1134' ',' r ',';',, 1, Roman Catholic's in England; 5,000 tilt , ) ` s ilill the oath of allegiance pres'erihed ja 'ili e , c(ctailaoieliers.itiepiiilEsnrteotieo:l::ii:eit;:l,.:kiii,,,e:l,Vbh:inv it s seas i r : 1 i) g k l e 1 , p i : i v t : t t I 1 :: :::: o s y ti c r i , tholic Priests ruled over their ilocl , s %%11.61', fIY , .. in pi.. „ they should luive been- disobeyed, , " 11 1': qiiit' . the utmost caret: Another most .12,71, , , , ,,.;,,,„_0f %, Y ai to guard against-the. unduo oillisfdered t theee of Rome ; an d w h en it tril ea _ wa s l t , h: ll ( L rat P li e‘ o )P f le alle ' ;), ,a l lat'orrt:ilt : ; :i ,'3. it l :ri t, uniform practice of the lious e ' to y coablltideittioele: nece : e,l 0 i : 1 1 1: e tii i .) ) (: / o.re l in • iv t is a iio: n ti t itai.: n lni( i ll a is t l‘ t iuto e ,ai t ur . v , idl i t t gb c e o tic t i t ,l l , i , . r i : i t i it c i : ee t rr i . : ,pi. s l4c t s l :: ,:ft,l l 3 l :i l l e i c : l :l l :c o : , rPat!oti before th e . 1 wish art 't at 131 .•• ttuca u oict i ll i co:tv: t it:rr il ite4lsl. e irsiri.g) p itie r .t e tc e e t occasion - ''' dt tl n id ie thought i t-le appointinent of 'One 0 1 "' ; ', co Ow . lie Question. His language was th""' vs .,: tofr'l l ','; etsassatryir4tcolia...aCp°plrloPinatTttl)'ic)ll:l',ll,lll:ctii.l(l' mittee hear their demands, and the ser:" l °7, it - ii4.4'''. ' named to prepare opposite hristlelTeltiftttilgsl•t'trolili(glyQua,ii'eric.',Pig:.... inl a g i n:t.,:o.l,34.lealkNre:ariF,irveol%ii,atilot thattt sll einCcgaietileri:o.iiii)le,:s,l I , : ; : t. l it r .ci ' l 'i .c ' it i o : . that the Hon. G e nt. oppo3ite ennsidere(l,.',l):oo .: tt l i i : i t i i se c e l ll r l t t i l i t i o u e i ll r . i l ' Housebi" but n i t t u s e : 1 1 1 . 1 :c l ; b :l ie l e e i si ::: 111°1:1:551 : : : : 1 .1:1::c : :;;:::ni:::.1 ''''' 1 k li c a p d . t. p_ro:i i s T e . d 6 : r o att h ai a:e the iliil . I)l.° . ti h ri st it u r l 'a ' !tight Hon, Gentleman opposite v:* -I :,`l i t iti ,' 41 ,1•,' printed before the holidays, in ()roc': he Irk all, be fairly considered, which proall',' d el lie„,P .- ,---C'here raign;:t7lshsetiswo:cill'ill'o'kael(:'oiv:l he was'most willing to take the ilil4 l3 , t to slo l ,, i ' . o l l tlemai l 's, word, but then his car mast o' . 00 0 , :'. 0 , ly deceived hirn, This 'eras the first I tio , i,,,l fi House deviatiOg from its usual p i r d o e be 00," WilrY ill important CaSes, and it "' LI it ,►l 14 ' l time that a Bill, altering the fundaill'el'i,: ~"'`,,,`,, • the land, s h ou ll have-'been' 1 ,,,,,, n i es!ef wor e Iv tit bout any such previous ingairy• ncvii,'!,,,i chievous course could not .po,ssibl'. l b . .1,.. ( itfl' o ut by it the house would 'be neeosiTii; ili'llio of every , source of information. 1, 10,,„ mean to itnpute any ituprin_tyett:',l'Plinieuiri4.., insist say, that if it was frol . ,•; s e, !Vl' eaverrto which discussion toay glre**lo,-,fio, merits of the Bill:Ivo" not - beet) "' ; '"''' ll 4 44 ''',o l P the recess, he must say that a nor` l , " P .so"' experirient could not 11AVe bees) ITl3o!.;oliiii/ , 0 , (111:ITt‘tretilyfa. ritChNeCiii.:s7lllnllliltiStel4::iblldeCetill:'4:),;:tlllei:l2,r., the House cOn , idereti the Dill, riot l' iii ii till Ei tt a second readiti4. if there eier w:i' it alit (liie it mantled serious consideration, it '''''; heg : ''o 4 slight llon.,Gentleman (rile. GratttliJiti.,:j t o ~, ie was in a most peculiar degree calc"''',„toe 0 60 0 the passions of the people. If tilcl i `o loo t 0 tVt eision upon the subject, tbk*Y.' l4{3l' ::ti . it ' ito °. to it after the most deliberate 11.47 ,of t. y{ reason lie would S'apport the inott°'' , ro , 1 10',. 0 . i ) .c.,/ Ba:nriet. di. j- n ~1 . ,,c , e ~ ...., Mr. 5.3 RATTAN - explained. 1 - I . e• tol . c clic' e , •'. himself to have the Bill pr haul' b c ., be 0°,1 ;0 ; but he expressed a wish that it'll' i 3 e Y ruo tia" b :,fri 4 o ., fir. CA:ail:co begged to 10":Y,v) re- 1117 ,0 1 , 1f . i Hoil. Baronet (Sir J. Cox Il ) pP , -; c ',d . t y , ‘ a rks o ict i r t idi• ,i o , he proceeded to the few rem inuice ; which bvin; , ' (it r - h e es . 1- ' , I(l '' ''l t t ' 4ll • z., ' e- ' 1 bec , ' '' V , ..,et may read the motion whieh 1 10( - ',%.1c0' 4 : gatived on t ie 2-Ith Of Apr . 11" :,,,,, ' ,Ei'' , 1 :, ; :l'i, o ; hod done reading, Mr. Calii'in ‘ g l" ,i.. la: 4 ') i i ot ' s tle,it resolution hal been nu=n` u) 000 rl).j.iotitYi of svioch the. 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