The Sun. — London, England, 1802-01-13 00:00:00

r‘f the Vengeance would 46 what their Cati+tain liked. Fitzgerald said, never mind what they did, as we have begun it, we shall go through it ; and in case the Officers should draw their aims against us, we will skew no mercy : they could not kill more than fifty or sixty people at most, and , they could find fifty or sixty men to take possession of the magazines of powder. John Allen said that night to Stephenson, "By G—d there will be bloodshed before the week is at on end." Stephenson, re plied, It would be a bad job, somebody might - pay for it. 7 bey were drinking at the time. Allen, said, '' God give me heart' an strength, there is no fear ; we will go through with if,. so that there are no informers." Philip Flandcock, who was in his hammock, cried, Shame' at us for making use of such expressions while the people were awake The boatswain's mate having' been drunk he was cabbed, he received a dozen and a half from' Ches terman, with a pea-squeezer ; about five in the evening, I went up upon deck, and as I was going - towards the forecastle, I heard a great.noise upon deck beiween the two forernost guns, and• T came back and saw' Patrick - Cannan going to be cribbed for wrangling and making a disturbance among the ship'S company ; he Balled his - tnessmate George Dixon, "a thief ; Collins, the butcher, asked him, ilf he could prove George Dixon a thief ?' he said, si no ;' ' well,' says he, it you breed a disturb gon shall be enlibed ;* George Dixon drew his knife to Patrick Canaan, who gave him a slap in the face ; Lieutenant Bogden came dowrl, and abed, what noise it was "--they told him, it was only a man going to he cobbed. Lieut. Bog den told them they should punish. nobody with their Own hands, but send them aft to be Finished ; Col lins said, ' it was only a cobbing . Immetii ately,Lieut. Bogdert was shoved in the crowd ; saw a man strike him ; I cannot tell who it was. An alarm came diredly afterwards, anti George Dixon came down the fore-ladder froM the main_ deck, and sung but, bear a hand up, you here is a man in irons :'—the people went up, and made a rush to go aft to take possession of the arms and disarm the sentries, and go noon the forecastle, and kill all the Officers ; they said they would soon Clear those gentlenien quality off the forecastle, and send them. away, arid began cheering all the way as they went. They stopt and did not go aft when they . found the Marines were under arms; they went to the'forecastle and gained . the others. Fitzgerald Wanted them to go aft and take the arms ; the Cap tain immediately after that came on the forecastle, and asked what* they all wanted, to make so much noise at that time of night ; they said, they wanted The Prisoner to be delivered up. One Gillespie, James Riley, and many others, whom I could not ob, serve, said, lie should not be punished :' the Captain said, lie should, he had heen,drunk'on duty, and insolent to hia . superior officeri.' George Dixon was one whose voice - I could pick our among alt of them. Captain Eyles was walking fore and aft, having hardly room ; had been shored among them in the crowd. I could not see any body in the front that I could take notice ofi_but Collins, Daly, Fitz, gerald, Cooke, and many more shoved the Captain, when they picked out the principal ringleaders. On the Bth, Tuesday, I forgot 'to state, that John Allen ,ctt ra :McEvoy, s if he thol3slls they Sll9old find plenty of marines to join them ?—it was their Own good as well as theirs :' M'Evoy said,- he could answer for twenty or twenty-four that would join therm.' He said, 'Captain Valle-a: of the marines, might order the marines to fire; there might be afe w tulpins who wouldire, hut the rest would *fire over their heads, and Then throw their arms down, and Come and join them ; perhaps with their arms, if it was possible to get them, if not the bayonet would do.' M'Evoy was frequently among a few of the ringleaders talking what way they should. ael. John Fitzgerald, I saw very often along with him, but I could not' hear what he said.n. Thursday in the forenoon the Admiral called all hands on the quarter deck concerning the letter, that, was sent to him reSpCeting the ship's compny, that they were willing to fight for Their King and Country, but not to go out of the land, that the most part of them had been five, seven, or- eight years in the Service, and no the War was over they wished to go home. Admiral Campbell de sired to know if the Marines were in the same mind with the Sailors, and to send two of them to speak if they were, and the Officers should not take notice of thbse men, and he desired Captain Valleck to speak. John Allen, as soon as the peo . pie came down from the quarter.deck underneath the forecastle, desired M'Evoy to go aft and= tell the Serjeants of Marines to appoint two men to tell the Captain and the Admiral, if the Marines were in the same mind. A man of the name of IVPEash went, but I do not know what he said. May field was the first man picked our." On Thursday, between five and six ; Fitzgerald was the next. — Cooke said, g 4-n your eyes, you b--, why don't you speak your minds ; don't be afraid ;' he then - fell back to the ranks for fear of being pick ed out. Admiral Campbell came to/he Marines to try to make 0 - win quiet. A few sung out,,.' stand Your ground you . Jones said this, and said, if every man' Was of my mind, no prisoner should go oat - of/he Ship, except they punished all.' On that day all the prisoners were picked our ex cept Daly and:Hillier. I heard Dixon and Comayne say, and many mare with them, near one hundred and 'fifty, they would take knives and.stab the Ma rines when they Were asleep in, their haMthocks.— If every man. was of theii mind them poor . fellows should not go out of the Ship ; it was not suing like shipmates; but d—d b 7 --y rascals to let these p oor men go. I. was present ; Miles the Captain of the Waste f Shackleday, Harris, Whittaker aptt Wil liams, all belonging to the sau guess. Peorge Comayne was close by the forebits, qeorge Dixon said : a me he did not think I was- fit to be among the True Brit Ons ; he thought I would `teport thern, and 'begged me to go. - I would not, and ie kndcked me down mite. On the r ith day, about ten O'clock, he told me I should not' go home ; he would make me tick before the week was Outs I told him I did not mind it. He and George Comayne sung out as loud as they could, that in case they could not destroy • the Marines, they - would kill the Officers out of -revenge; thtit their conitades were gone out ' of the Ship, and if that would not do they would blow the ship up.— Thomas SyMenonds, a foretop man, was there at-th, same dine, and said ro me, he was sorry he Ilid not killed the Officers on Sunday ; he had it in his power-at the time, as he had a crow bar his hantt. George Dixon gave me a kic4, - and I went away and never went there again." • „ Examined by Captain Eyles, the Prosecutor.' Q. Did you ever hear any of the. ViisonT call themselves delegates Yes, on Thursday night, Fitzgerald, Collins, tiiidatesterinab. - Q. Relate the words Fitzgerald made use of when he called himself a delegate They were 'speaking to . all the men in he forecastle ; they :all three said, ‘.‘ don't you know we are delegates of the ship for your own benefit 1" Some answered, yes'—this was On the loth in the af,ternbon, 'When Carman was going to be cabbed. Q . . Did they not say they should give all orders for punisimient They said they should punish themselves. Q. Did they say.the Officers - should have nothing to do with it r—A. Yes, Chesterman.said to Mr. Forfar, the Lientenalit; ‘e no than should le nished aft, they would punish them themselves." . Q. When Christopher White was attempting to unship the ladders, did you hear .him call. out " Fitz, Fiti, it will be 'proper to send a ba—r after the crow bar."— , A. Yes, I heard him say so, and there was do fear but he would, go - through it. Q. Did you hear William' Hillier, •the prisoner, cry out on Suhd'ay the 6th, with his lends up to ;, his mouth, lower down the ports ?"—A. the starboard side. • Q. Did you ever hear' the prisoner John May field,. say 4 he would see hiinself_ damned hetiire,he . would go out of the land ?'—A. I did, on the foie_ castle, smoking his pipe ; James• Ward Wa3 with him. ExaMined Q. You have said in the beginning of your nar. rative, that there were nineteen or twenty persons assembled, who swore they would go through the business ; did yOu either at that or any other time, see them make use of a . book to bind them., seNei to be true to each' other.?—A. Q. Do you kuow were the messmates of James Ward ?=--A..Yes, Joseph Drinkall, Whitfield, Mayfield, Ward, JobaCross, atid Lockyer. Q. At the time: you went forward to the nipper, lockers, and saw. the cartridges of powder you have described, did you hear Daly. or any other' prisoner at the bar . say they had brought that powder there to &fend ,theMselves I heard Daly say to 'Bill " we, have plenty of powder forward in the nipper lockerS to cool the officers' temper; ,and, if that would not do, they would rush aft and kill all the officers." Hillier said, " that will do very well"—to my hearing on the starboard side. Examined by Admiral Afitehell,..thc.President. Q. From the th to the r WI of December, in the course of those days did you see in any of "the births, either in the Middle or lower deck, ,any more of the seamen or marines administering the. oath the pri„ soners before mentioned had taken in their own or any o t he r oat h to stan d b y themselves_?--_,, A. No, I did not. Q. At the time Daly was looking out at the haw ser-hole to < , ,e if boats were coming, did you observe any. of the prisoners casting loose any or the tackle 'of the fore Most guns ?—A. Fitzgerald told them he would soon get two guns pointed aft,• for the guns were loaded ready. Q. Did you know the guns ,were loaded t—A. Q. Did you know that all the Igwer deck guns were loaded ?—A. Snowden said there wete many of them lciaded. Cycs...:examilzed by jaw Iticyfleld. Q. At what time of the day did you see die sea. men take the oath ?—A. In the morning, about nine o'clock. Crass.rxam;Ned by joreph Ward. ' Q. Where did ,you see me at the time they were taking the oath. —A. Ab reast t h e fore_gun. Cross-examin e d by . 34nzes Chesterthan. Q. Can you recolleh. any person who was pre. sent to certify 'you saw me take the oath, Or handle the book ? A. None but them I mentioned before. Q. Do you recalled who first took the oath ? A. Fitzgerald was the first man, Chesterman the next. They swore to be true to each other. Admiral Holloway.— The Court would advise you not to ask such questions ; you only stamp the fad. stronger against you than it was before. Prisoner. Q. What part of the quarter-deck was I in when you said, I sung out " AO, No i" when the Admiral was giving orders ? A. On the starboard side of the quarter-deck, close to the foremost gun. InTront almost, there were not more than five or six men before it. Q. In what part of the forecastle was I, when Admiral Campbell came Forward, - ,and spoke some words on Thursday ?- A. He stood by Midships, and came over to the larboard side ick.,the iknk, - where. the . Captain was shoved. He was one of them. Q. Can you point out any person at the - time that you heard me express the words, " that I nomi nated myself as Delegate- fOr His Majesty's Ship the Terneraire ?" A. It was, dark, but I k n e w hi s voice ; there were 5 0 or '7O People... He was one of them. Admiral hfifchell. If there was any doubt of establishing charges against you, you would critni_ nate yourselves. _ _ Prisoner. To the best of your knowledge, what time of the evening was it ? A. A few minutes aftei five, whorl Carman was caked. Cross-examind John Fitzgerald. Q. What time were the words spoken to you in our birth, " that yOU need not be afraid ?" A. On Wednesday and Thursday ; likewise before all his mess-mates: James. Kelly was facing me ; I, was between Fitzgerald and CheS/eTman. Cross-e.ranthred.by Joseph kavdand. Q. Do you recolleCt one any ciccasiori since you have been.on board, my saying the word " Damn " and such like, too commonly used ? A. I especially heard you when you hove the capstan bar, and said you would not go. oat of the lark:. Thomas Jones asked no question. .Cross-ekamined.by Thomas Cross. Q. What day, and whai time of the day ) did you see me talk to any of the Prisoners in Fitzgerald's birth ?.„ A. I saw him on Wednesday and Thursday in Fitzgerald's bi'itlfillso V\rattirs fiTtrtifitt often there, betweep the Ist ayd .. / . l* • Q. You say; George Perrdit w 4 in the ,birth When the letter 'was wrote i&Additral._Catrapbell, where- was he sitting ? A. Sitting in his own birth on a stool. Ido not know that he was there - all - Om time. He was there. t ha.hegirming of writing-. theletter. „Q. ra s tiF there at the time Cross was ?A. I heriii►s. I ant not r . ,oiitive. ,Q._Wfiere was I sitting at the time ? A. He did not sit at all: he was leaningover the table, speak ing to Taylor. William Cook. No question. • Cross-examined by Christopher White. Q. Can you point out any man who saw me at the lower-ladder Yes, Paul Rousseau; and many `more. Sutherland was there, . Cross-examined by Sohn Collins. O. You said you.saw me and others inviting the ship's company to ,go aft ; what part of .the.ship Was I in ?—.A.; Oa the larboard side of the lower deck. • Q. 'When the hammocks were going up on. Tburs day, you said you heard me say, Damn you, you don't know your own minds,' what time was it ? A.' In the morning about nine o'clock, he was stand ing on the forcastle. ' • Cross-examined b_y James Lorkyer. Q. You say, it was . about nine o'clock in the fore noon you saw me, can you recoiled any other, per son who saw tit! ?—A. I cannot recolled-any other than I have mentioned. . . • Cross-examined by Johns Cummins. , Q. , You say I called for shot,. whereabouts Was I when I called for shot Nigh to your birth, close to me ;. I moved - a hit from the place I was standing on, _and he desired me to stand my ground, and .sing out for shot,. as soon as the officers came down. Q. You said was putting words in the letter, do you , know what they were ?=—A. I cannot, say, because you did not speak loud . enough to let any one hear. Cross-examined S 2 Wm. Q. Ds , you chink it was possible for a man to pass , through the4hip's company, forward,ior see through, tl3efin'on :Sunde,:after - the ports were doWn No,_ not very,lveil in sortie parts. Q. ._Wliat side was 1 on when the ladder was tin shipped ?—A. ,He crossed over on. both. sides : he was on the starboard side. . O. Where was I when you heard me sing out for shot ?—A. On the starboard side, to the best of my. knowledge. . Cross-examined by John Daly. Q. Was any one by whe'n" I made use of those' barbarous expressions you said I did?--A. Yes', James Ward. He made use of as bad expressions. He said lie would not heave. the capstan-bar to go out of the land. Q. What• time of the day was it ?--A. On Sun day the 6th, before ten-o'clock. Qe Where was )ou standing when you saw Tne look out through the hawser-hole ?—A. I was abreast of it, and I spoke to Daly myself: I asked him, if he saw any thing comipg. 1e gave me n9_ answer. Q. Was , my bpdy,• or • head , or any part, - out of the hawser-hole ?,—A. No part at all ; but he' was lookht out to see whether any boats were coming. The Court adjourned. SECOND DAY, THURSDAY, JAN. 7. James Ricliardson morn. " I went down to tte lower deck for a sheet of writing paper. On the starboard side I found Edw. Taylor, and asked him to write a letter. H e s aid, ' You had better wait till this, business is s e ttled.' I then asked him what it was-? I dared say it was nothing concerning us.' He answered, Yes : it Was concerning the whole ship'S eMtiliany.' He : then toldme the ship was going to the West Indi e s ; an d that, , all hands Were going on the quarter dec - k to tell' the - Adiaiiral Iliey Would not go. I,then looked round,akil saw James Chesterman and John Snow den discoursing together, and a number *listening to them. I heard Chesterman ask Snowden if -he was agreeable to go to speak to the Admiral. Snowden said, he had no objeEtion, if he could get another or two to speak : with him ; 'that- was agreed to. Chesterman said, Ali that we have to do is, to let the people, in the middle - deck know it." Taylor answered, Here is one who -belongs to the middle deck will do.' Chesterman then touched me on the shoulder, telling me all I have mentioned; and asked me if I would go; and let the people of the middle deck know of it. I then went up, and told my Messmates, John. Clements and Joseph Wynn. They began to laugh at me, and said there was nobody there wanted to hear of it. Johnson was read ing a book ; I asked him 'what it was. I told him the - particulars I licaid 'below, and ,asked him if he chose 'to let the people know on the middle deck ? He made no answer.--=—As I found there was nothing to be done, and i t w a s ra i n i ng, went down again. I went down ; and my mess_ mates told me it was all true. I asked- who told them ? One of, them pointed to James Chesterman, `-who was going round the deck. Some time after I went on the poop, and swabbed it, and coming down again, I saw a number Collened on the forecastle, and calling others Out of the waste. I went on the forecastle, and heard Chesterman and Snowden talking together, saying, they wished they could get the other man to go along with them. I asked who he Was ? They refused to tell me, but told me he waSon the poop. I guessed it was Bar ny Young. I told them they need not wait for him, as it was- his Watch upon deck, and he would not ciMie dowthe-people began shoving one ano ther aft on the' gangway, till they were stopt by tl;e officer on the, watch at the quarter deck. The Captain,. 'came out, and asked what they wanted there ? Some of than wanted to know where the ship was going to. The Admiral came out, and Acid what was the matter ? The Captain told him the ship's Company wanted to know where the ship was going. The Admiral answered ) to Hell, if she is tyrderedi.aiad we must go with her.' I was on the gangway. There was more conversation I could not hear. The Admiral desired them to go down and make them uiet;wllich i wa; d w o a n t e c , h a w n d a s t l o te u n t. w \ e v ri he u n p o l n e n e t l p o t t re oos quiet; and staid till in maies told me the word had been passed when hands were turned up to bend sails, to go down to the inner, my mess -lOwer deck. James Chesterman in the afternbon de: sired me to see that every person and. my messmates in the middle deck'drank their grog, and that any :man- who...was: amok- would be._turned down i on the lower deck, and cobbed. On Sunday morning the word was passed as before, when hands turned up to , bend' Sails to-go down on , the lower.deek -as- before. The hands were turned-op about eleven to bond the sails,-whiehiwas done as usual. Aftergails were bent,. -1 went dowri-to dinner.. After I got my dinner 1 , went to the,lowerdetk, where I saw James Ches.: i terman in his own birth. I asked hiM what they :were going. to.do„ %Vhether to unmoor the ship or 'not ? He answered he did nut know. During the time we were discoursing, .Edward Taylor came down, -and asked what we were to do ? Chestet:l: answered he did not know. He said we must soon know, there is no' time to he-lost, as the. bands would be turned up to unmoor as soon as they had - got their di-nner. I then went to the midge deck to my birth, where I, staid tilt 'my grog was served out. As soon as I got my grog, a man came and passed the' word for us to go down- below, wha it was I do'not reeelleet. I Went down to the lower deck, and; stood alongside James Ward. I asked him', what he was going to do ?. He answered he did not:know yet, but he believed he was going to l o wer • the ports down. The words were hardly spoken when Will. Hillier was in the manger, and putting his hand to, his mouth,• singing out with a- loud voice, ' What do you say, lads, one :and all- fore and aft - lower away ports?' He had no answer the first time ; 'then . he repeated the .saJne 'words . over, again; and the ports welt lowered accordingly, and the all began Cheering, and asked where the • 'ship' was going.? Some of the ladders were unship. ped,- but the Officers got down below; and sent all the people on the quarter deck. When They were on- the quarter decle, , the Admiral- asked, What all' that- noise was below ?' A . great 'deal passed, but I eolittrnorlieiie it. I went away. After that Ed warid Taylor ,told Me to go down to thelower deck. I was going up to the head, where I Saw John Col'•g lins, the prisoner; smoking a pipe on the forecastle; I asked hirn what the people were falkingof below He answered' he did riot know till six 'O'clock ; told me I might -as well come -down then; and should . know. Just as - we had erided,'‘ John-Ciro rains, -the prisoner,- came up and said, there Franey on the foregratings as drunk as hell; and quarrelling with every body that comes past.' Col lins knocked the .fire out of his pipe, and went be low with John Cummins ; I followed them, bug' when we 'came there Franey was gone. _Pin C 01.., gins went up again, and I went to the lower decks: and Saw Franey in hiS owiibirth. -I -went up -again' under the forecastle,-: and Colli ns as k e d ' m e if I nod . seen any thing - of Franey since : I told him yes, be was in his own birth. He asked me- if I thour . e! he' was drunk ; I told him I thought he was ; had seen him in the foregratings, as I came'it). ti, c first time. I then went to my own birth, :aL 'raid till six o'clock. I went to the lower kl > the 41V board side ; there I saw Edward Coy' John Chesterinan, John Fit -:;.ge r:dd, jaalet Ward, and James Lockyer. The IA ‘ ter wer e ' in their own birth ; they were all sac,:., d'O c. . • carrying. the hammocks up in the Mottling, and number of people were listening to • them . . Th l e. people who slept , aft we r e t o come f orwar d. I hear`; Collins 'say he had passed the word af t ; and th e. people h a d all agreed to it. After the discourse wa s settled about the hammocks; Edward Taylor eb served to the company, they must beware of Mr . ' Stanton, the MaSter;s-mate. • John Collins tr“( l° answer, saying, Damn him, he, will be no troubl e at all ; we can smot h er hi m i n - hi.ched.:" I saial " Collins , I hope you will do no such thing ;" : r answered, " Damn rrry blood, what's . ione-man's to a thousand ?" said, jack,khop& there none going to Jose their r-Tayl•nr , Voser‘JedY he hoped we could do it witlinat; iiut - Ithere sva one more man we -must take ektelof,LJahn lik!kY the boatswain's- mate. One amongthe Crowd " Damn him, we can hustle him among ourselve s . I went away a little while after ; I met Taylor on the lower deck, and asked him if he was going 10 1 Ward again to make such a noise as in the afternoon', 1.-ic said he did not know. I told him I thought it would be better to ger three men to speak to ill ° , Admiral, when he came to the hatchway; for Oar when we were together making- such a noise, 06 one could know what the Admiral said, or th e Admiral what the ship's company said.' He said; he thought that would be the best way, if we co uld get any body to speak to the, Admiral. I told hint: I dare say, there were plenty, in the ship would d‘i it.' He said, I dare say John Collinsivill do and Joseph Rowland.' I then went away to It middle deck between six and,seveo ; I met por,' Rowland .on the middle deck,. and began to te' him what Taylor and I had been talking abeti t ,;- he said ; he was agreeable- to.speak, as he thoug ht it better for two or three to speak to the Adinif!i , than so many.'---On Monday morning I M Tar"' on Ta"' on the middle deck; and asked.him again about Or letter ;. he said, ' I had bett e r wa i t anot her daY °r. two,.', he told me when the hands were turned of toluomoor, to repair to the lower deck a gain. Aft i e , ‘; dinoer, I was carryi n g m y di rty ' water. to the hea,l ; I saw a parcel of peopl e stan di ng at t h e .foreniu' gun of the main de c k ; re Franey over the b c, of the gun; and James Cliesterman, with a pair' e • pea-squeezers in his hand, to cobb him with : bef °t 4s: he began, he pulled off hi s h at , an d sa id, r - , 5 going tocobb him f or b re aki ng t h e l aws o f t he shJP company,' then he gave him a dozen.. At five o'clock in the evening of.MondaY'''' cr a going down the starbo a rd Side of the lowerti -oo . e - when I met Cooke, the Pri s o ner who asked Where . I was going ? .1 told him nowhere in p al ' cular ; -he said you may as well lOok out here. , a 0 asked 'What for ; he said they were going td some business ;- I told him I was going to look ve r on the other side ; I went b a ck, a nd crossed °, 5 the fore.gratings, and went into Ch es terrna ‘ i t , birth, where Fitzgerald and Chesterman were " I 1, ing about it.. Chesterman called William Lock wc t and asked him if he would look out : he. the" " r a y out of the birth, and was takings man out. of eV I t