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.hat time, to bring forwara any ton. upon the, subject, because Opositions itt' that moment 'in I the Catholics thd not seem value Upon :these minor :con ilwohjects of those' proposi-, '•irS. slid not then spew any .de concessions. 13ut though be :e any propo-:ition,'he wa;; ~portto the Right llonourable ,d so, and to go forward with !wily to concession. :such, in his 'al feeling both at that time and , ughout the country, that both itholics, had a right to know . :heir differences stood. Refer- : of 'hist Year, be was prepared, in WWg proposed, to consider it !t) bud down, not pledgingliim le to consent to "any measure, ' 1.),s in his Mind could secure ;he same time the "existence - of !lurch. Ile trusted the good ,ors of both re:izions . would io When he compared the si man Catholics in the present 'nation last year, he .could not :on. Geatteman (Mr.' Baiiks) ,terial change bad taken place ,s to the temper „that, unfortit itSelt among ,many of them, o.lled.the temper of the whole part of their body may express 're Was a disin c li nat i on it)all. It concessions under regulation. difficulty which seemed to have . ,;rsons, that was the present si- That situation however was as inaccessible last year when !arried, aa he was in the pre-. true that in 1809 the titular had come to a resolution, that' 10 conduct affecting his .power, in his present state, but that -Bishops was in existence last '.. The situation of the Pope !instance that brought difficulty hat difficulty he;ntist confess, now, or at any other titne,' , 'e was not unwil:ing to submit" ose who had any remedy•to pro- Ay. The Catholics, he believed, 0 the Pope in his pres en t ;Ana the.y seemed to think hint in , divest himself of his character Thed to he the object of the 're, c alluded. With respect to the upon the subject, he could from it to disc o ura g e' in thatlf • the Catholics conducted still moderate manner, they ;ilea to ,the arrangement. Iu of the 'Protestant in to the Jneasure, but that teni~iercif the ti o 'ij t i f s f t r i o te n) P t - I r ) ( l ) l t t es crin t trill t o he rafter f a rOttla • 1)1 s to Sllre IV" 114 C" ‘‘luat rei , ;ulation the I • v iewlieh a d no :° that f6l. own part he Caine i m l ) file, regulations necessary, la G('Mtienian (Mr. Call - , hi' '• • s resolution in the la; " t ScS "Pe,lind SOII entertained that coolefOrward ht the present propo9l upon the subject.- I.llCat not prepared to submit iat,h.e. N1,0111:I : , ,ive• all his snp ir) who brought forward "such • )ere were, however; two -views which he would { say a fe''v was the objection of those Mif f" se any restrictions upon :1 trot he right, It was said that ;ent to the intended restrictions of their religions duty : no ` r e unwilling than himself to far political privilege, that .eat With religious duty. ler himself. as acting properly, agcy thing inconsistent either d(hdnty, ty, .or the dignity o f t h e i r not think they were so far 'icier restrictions' affecting the incompatible with their faith.' have scorned such on imputa -0 then), He conld rot believe 0 su c h regulations they would Was he to. be told this, r egulations existed even in Ho, ? It was quite idle to say 4011) . the Catholics was pureo dio aF.Serted- it only injured the led to advocate. Ile stood up for Braid that no such impression such firegulation the Catholics e as touch interested as the Pro be safety of the State was line. to the tenets of their. he done with much fOrbearaucei perhaps there were tenets led, which it would not be fair lii:ongh all its succeeding . itis 'be ease.witli many of the doe ,p church, many of . them as in were heeonte obsolete, though '"'t-ed.. It was not easy to wipe. was found upon the re cor d o f `veie not 'always fair grounds ch ore-11 1 0f Rome had been ge . , tl "ugh the Co - artof politics, and when on am 7 b e Pined, then it- was that rahle'to such a n object was . • 'ea u ' •e. Power of the' P o p e rrt air a tnstroment even f or politi ,a ground of caut i on be reitG e not tp .11) a late i nstance that , De:so trifling as ,it wa s utituritEn: ,el , of France, in , the fill e n d () able to subdue the papal chair. jJa(ll4'vqeii `ooked 111)011 himself to be aq, he was. 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By the late concordat, the Pope received a revenue of about . 80,0061. per annum, with . other privi leges, for which he agreed tai divest 'himself of all authority over France. This slimed the extent of that. power from tvhich it wits said they need apprehend no chrager: , He•would put it to-the House whether when such a - power was under' the ltdltieuce of France-, it would not 'be 'necessary to guard against . it.. The CatholicS ought to feel that they had at coniinon interest with them in providing, `ngainst such a .power. 'With out that ' it would not be right tai stir a step in the way of concession, The general con duct of the Catholics for a long time did not seem at all hostile to such guards. The Catholic coun tries in closest connection with the Pope, had still 'Some guard upon his interference. And even in Spain they went so far as by an Act of St - ate com pletely to disallow such i»terterence, 'while lie remained in his present state r and until' such time as' hit power may be. exerted for spiritual not for temporal purposes.. With respect to the opinion 1 of Mr. Pitt upon -this important question, lie per haps bad as good an opportunity of knowing it as any man, and be could assure the House, that to his latest hope- his mind never changed as . to tire fundaniental wisdom of some measure in• favour of the Catholics; but, at the same time, 'he con fessed that he saw great difficulties in the way of it, and observed with regret a temporizing on the part of the Catholits that created obstacles to.. ,their claims in the mindS of Protestants. • With' respect to regulations, though be. had no plan to. propose, he -saw no difficulty in such a plan. It , . \ 11 was only to adopt the same system that was acted upon even in Rouen) Catholic countries, •to gusrd. against the. power Of the,Pope: An Ipin. Batt. (Sir . J. C. Hippisley)' hail brought into view a system by Which this tniglit be .effCcteiL The ground 'of' it was, that the whole intercourse. with the See of Route should be open, not occult. There Was no- Vain in their religion they could wish ,to conceal, except what passed in confession ; and when the slrope at present may be' considered-in some mea sure a French) citizen, and that his authority in all its plenitude wits ackitowledged inskeland, could it be wondered at if security against his influence was creniauded ? His acts should . pass„ so far a s they regardedlreland, through such hapds as may know whether they were dangerous. . Thizt Nas the the first, principle. The next pointto which he would refer, was the Popes power of nomination' to hishopricks. He did not mean to say that such influence is'e:s .not better than irreligion, but is should he guarded against. For the necessity 'Of •, such a guard. there was no tit:atter of the House . from whence/Iv-could draw his arguments better than from the Gentlemen opposite. He could not per ceive that the vote wasinCblepatible 'with the doc trines of their Clitirch.• If he thoughtio,'he would be the la.st ruan insthe.world.ta press it. :He Wonbi look for some other' Lind of security. But he could assure the House that she vote was rather proposed by them :to him than by him to them.---- There was no,suggestiOn on their part that it was inconsistent with the tenets of their religion.— They `merely stated that.he should be sanctioned in this .measure by the bead of their Church. So far from wishing to throw upon the Government the burthen of selecting their clergy, he declared the very contras . : ; and such was their liberality; that at the time alluded to they outran the wishes of the, I. Governmeiat, The principle he went up'hn , was this, that . it would be better 'for the Catholics thernselves• not to devolve this - power of their Church on men , who may he suspected,. -end that it would be their interest to he certain by means of ' the veto, that.their prelates: were' not dreaded by the Government. Beforebe sat down, he would state the way in which he understood the motion of the Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Grattan) and the difficulties he saw in the Way of its execution. The impression on his mind Was that they were to , 'go into the Committee, that -in this, Commit tee a general preposition was to he proposed, and after that a Bill, which was to he subjected to dis cussion.• If such was the intention of the Right , .Hon. Moves, nothing 7 was - more fair or consistent with practice. TIC - must•declare, however, that as he understood the nature . of the Bill to he in troduced, he could not give it iii's support, becsinse it went to a sweeping repeal, svithout any secu rity, except the recognition of the Citown being Protestant. lie mils: dissent from the Bill on any such grounds. Nothing could induce him, to the concession of high political authority ? ,Withtint more security than this. 'To accept of, sneh se curity aas the Bill proposed to give, would he• only to call ia.qaestion the security of The Cro`wn and the EstabliSted Church. He would never place such high inttre-srs ender the mesa ges,:i .s!' stick . an Act of I . !irlitt if inetits . ' The Right Z I ono usable Gentleman ought, in his opinion. to have given in the resolution the whole scope of his intention, together with the means of carrying it law effect. Headmitted that it was the duty- of Parliament not to treat with the Catholics, dila to legislate • fur them. , This he admitted in the ahstract, but at the' same time be asked the House if on this subjedt they could properly-legislate on their own notions, withmit endeavouring to ascertain bow the regulations they miht propose Were-likely to be receiv e d. 'Th e 'penal laws which they might Teel it necessary to enact, imposing a penalty on - Bishops inducted into their,Bishoprics, 'a a man ner not saasstioned by the regulations which might be thought necessary, and prohibiting all.connee ,tion with the See of Rome, or making that which was now secret an open intercourse, ity might-be Said 'by tile Roman-Catholics, pressed more heavy on them than thcae of which they at present con)- . plained. It was ' therefore desirable . Owl they l o i u es g , h u t u should have'some understanding with de Catho d lie reeling this could riot agree that if they 1 to leiZtto treat with them, theyconld takenosteps their sentiments. It was said, that at the i time of the Union - a promise had•been made that something shouid be done for the Catholics. .tio - tb the manner in which this'had been to often brdtight fo - rWard, hp had felt it incumbent on him to.z-ivc in the present instance that eXplanation of • his vieWs which he had submitted to.the'llouse, Was ~ . atisfied, that if - means could be 'devised. admitting,. with .safety, the Catholics to the e tiovnlent:of the privileges they claimed, that it wouk give additional strength to the Em pir, great additional strength to the State, ctntl would, in every point of view, be most beneficial to the country. lie was therefore wiling to . g go into the Committee, in the hope that some thin s a tisfnctory wonld bedeviScd, tie wished he could.'see his way through but 'this lie could .not. •If all the obstacles, which at 'present offered themselves, to that which they Wishei! to . effect, were removed, still be was not prerm:ltosay that they could proceed to execute the measure, which . might be decided on. It ivas a sutject on which they ought not to "be hurried. `This nieasufe, Ultimately adopted; ought not to' be resblvecr. on in a day ; it Was ,on on which, not only' the Legislature . 'ifinght to'have time calmly to cfmsider, •but it; was one on which the Public orght to have an opportunity early to deliberate, hz..fore it was atter4pted to be carried into ttfect., The Catbolic' Mind was not at present .in that state to which it was desirable it shimild be broUght - ; and if that . cbange were already effected, which be lisped no very distant period .vvonld . produCe,i still, in the c;:i;ting'seate of things, he conceived there" Would be an insuperable tliiiculty in the way of immediately executing. part of the meastlre, which nt;ght be resolved on, on account of the present situation of the Popo. The Noble Lord : coacluded,, shortly re-stating the - principles un, which he voted for going into the Coaimittee. A great many Alembers- rose at, the sane mo. ment, to address the Chair, when the last speaker resumed Jiis seat. rent anxiety was manifested by the :House to hear Mr. Ponsonby, (who was among those who Jiad risen). but the Speaker named ____... . .. Mr. G. ROSE. Tile first part of this Right Ron. Gentleinau's speech, from the noise which pre-.. wailed in the lionse„...it 'Vii impossible distinctly to hear. We understood him to say, no man Was _ __ more anxious than himself to concede to the Ca, tholics the priOleges they required, if means could be dev:seci to grant them with security to the Pro testant Establishment ; but of the practabi,lity of doing this at Feick, be entertained great doubt. The Noble Lord was completely mistaken, if he thquet Igr, Pitt hid never changed his -mind on the sobject of the expediency of admitting the Catholies to the priviler" of the Constitution. lie had thought the discussion of the subject at yarion , periods inexpedient. • • Lord CASTLEREAGIi M. M. Surroti Aid - not know whether going into the Committee was or was not a •merematter, of form_ it .vas-eonsidereil'as a preliminary to . .grantmg further concessions to the . CatlinliC,4", he should feel it his duty to oppose it. The Right 'Honourable Gentleman who had brought this sub ject forward, had pot very explicitly described his plan. had,stated that : restrictions were neces sary; and another Gentleman who bud spoken soon after, to whose speech shell Frequent reference had been Made, had thottght the Veto could not 1.7 t., ive auctrecorotn estuted estic °min Then came an Honootable Baronet, who Con tended this Would be fundamenta:ly objectionable, and therefOr. they most, in his opinion, return to the Veto. Others followed, who; though they believed thatneither of these could be obtained, that the Veto would not be conceded, and that domestic nomination would not be conced ed, still . thought that something satisfactory could he 'devised in the Crillltllittee. He could not concur with those, who thcitight restrictions likely . .lo be devised in the Committee,which, though different from all hitherto proposed, would be satisfactory to the Proteqa:.ts; If they went int . () the Committee, anti ease ()it of it without (loin anv thing, be thought - the result 'would be incal'enlanly mischievous : - HopeS met ex pectations baying -been' excited, such a re sult would occasion much dissatisfaction, and a great ferment in the country. The Pro- ty s taors he exasperated •liy their going into the Committee, and the Catholics disappoint- ed. With this impression on his mintl,lhe could not but strongly ohjectto this proposition of the Right Hon. Gent:lent:an. The sense of the corm try furnished a :strong objection to the mequre. He thJught the Petitions-on their table ought not to be set .Lsic:c - , as sonic lieistlemen seemed dis posel to put them ;. and still less did he think they ought to be treated with that ses'erity of sarcasm, which sonic had indolved . . On the impro priety of this he conic entea at.some length, and complained of the refleetiOn 'thrown on the Cler, gy, who had come forward on this occasion.--. Here the. Honor able Gelid :bitten adverted to what, had. fallen from an Honourable'llatanct '( ;ir 11 Heron) on a fowler evening,- on the sob ject of .?..paurphlet published Ii) a U.:wired Prelate (the 13iShop of Lincola),. which the lon. Bait. had said accused the atkoca!'es of the C , itholies of " ortful mi:epre3entation, liht2r4ty, or infidel imilifereoce.7 He (toped thLi able Baronet had since read the pamphlet of Which he had spoken; for he (Mr. M. Sutton) iiras sure he could ;sot have read it before. If he had read it, he thought he: would not maintain what he had 'thus advanced. He was of opinion, that Mr. Pitt was in principle decidedly in favour of Catho, lies, but • times and.circumstanees had prevented' his acting on this feeling. Looking at times ;:trUl circumstances ow, he could not think, had Mr. Pitt lived, be w4tild have been disposed to go into a Committee on the subject of their Sir R. HERON, in explanation, said he'rosc'to reply to the attack which had been , made on hint by the last speaker, as well as to that which had. been Made on him the night befora, by another i ßight Hon. Gentleman, Who had accused him of a gros s calumny." The statement of the last speaker respecting. him was a most unfair misre presentation. tie then read the passage alluded to, front the pamphlet which had been mention ed; and left it to the. House 'to dec'ide whether he It" bred 'guilty of a gross calumny; oitswhether he bad been misrepresented. The' Hon. Baronet while reading the passage in question, was re peatedly cheered. • Having finisliett, he said he Would now ask if he was' right or wrong in the . • - meaning he had a... 4 ixei to . it, awl it' he Lid gnilty of promillgating ealtann ) . Mr. P. PEEL! wit h'.!! ad ; and to which the lion. 13 . aronet h'ad aIL td, re ferred to that remarkable expies,;o ,, , Baronets's speech, ‘vhich he had used crh( .k -ing of the Petitions received from the .'I hose Petitions heltad represented aS co ling from those who had " mitres on their head,, or who had mitres in their heads.'" "- This," said the Right lion: Gentleman, " I said was .a gross "calumny, and from that expression I do not de,i. part." , Mr. M. SUTTON' repeated that the passage in the pamphlet which had been alluded to, did not deserve the construction which had been put on it, and contended he had a . right 'to stae such to be opinion, And this opinion he would still maintain. [The Right Min: 'Gentleman had mach diffi culty in making himself beard, from the. impa tience of the House' forJlie,, debate to proceed. When he had 'concluded, several. Members ro.e, among them Mr. Pansonby, who was loudly call ed on to proceed.] • Mr., PoNsoNny said, what, had just passed - showed to what a perfection the critical tu-te of • the House had been brought. This, however. ) , had been amply illustrated, in the course 'of the: present discussion. They had, nevertheless, been, told that they ought not :to criticise the Petitions submitt'ed to them too closely ; yet one Gentle. man who had spoken from under the gallery had said he cotild not vote fox ,the motion on aceOunt, of the intemperate language held_ by the Irish. Catholics, and this though the English Catho lics, it was admitted,.had urged their claims with, singular modesty. Thus it would he seen in whatever temper the Catholics pursued the object • •they had in view, with some it was impw:sible their prayer could have effect, Particular notice had been takeit of what had been said of au Hon. Baronet, respecting a certain Prelate ; ,yet last night, the Chief Seeretary,far Ireland had cast quite ,as strong a reflection on another Reverend Prelate, who was in every respect as venerable and as immaculate as the Bishop of Lincoln. Mr. CROK.4It spoke to order. He wishtd.there ly to say that his Right Hon. Friend .had last night distinctly disclaimed any intention of cast ing the most dist,nt reflection on the ReV. , PreH late alltided to.---(L014 Cries " Chair gear !" Sm.) The SPRAKER said it was not strictly regtilar for .„ one Member thus to rise to explain what had fal len frOm another. • Mr. PorisoNnv resuined. The intemperate lan- guage held by the Catholics, he' contended, , vas not to he wondered at 10en the., state of, the,press was considered, which was understood to be un der the controul of the Right Hon, Gentleman's Government, 'from which publications were con stantly 'issuing, with vituperations and shut der% against the Catholics. It was said, as' the Catholic religion remained ,unchanged, the Cath6- . lies were no more to .be' trusted no..v than they N".".'ere a l century or a century and a half ago. 'Did, they helieVe any retinae was to be placed orti ti;e oath of a Catholic? ifthey dill not, they must be lieve the Catholics c.t n ble of the most abominable peljnries ; if they . did believe tile Catholic on his - Oath, when he s•.l-,..»-tt that no foieiem J,_cle sia - stieal authority " has, orought to have'' any temporal power It hatc rev hi tlu King's doininion , ;, they ought to be satisfied that his faith was »ot dangerous to the State. llefore they a“urned'tifat it was hostile to the State, it ought to be she Y . -11 in what i'espect . ltiS akknowledgme9t of the snore macy of the See of Rome could produce titischi , - yous effects. Would the l'otie raise an army to fight against this country, or would he assist the views of foreign powers ,• hy,seducing the subjects of this country from their aLegiance I. Would he • assail us by open force, or endeavour by secret plots ;o tindermiue•our ruin ?• In no one of these • designs could the Catholic concur according to • the oath he had taken. lie had felt much satis 'faction at bearing the Noble Lord (Lord Castle refigh).say •he would •Certainly vote fortgoing into the ,Committee, but that satisfaction had' been • considerably abated at finding that he would as certainly vote against the Bill which it would sub. oquerl;y'be proposed to, bring in. On the sub- • ject ,of the'r'eto he haul to observe, he did nut know that it was' nipossible for it ever again to be , • brought forward. The ,Catholics had not said they wotild'never concede 'it. All they had skid - *as, that at 'that time .(the time at which their resolutions were passed) that it was inexpedient to: give it up. Ile admired thetender anxiety which hind 'been displayed by some llon. Members for Catho lie consistency,asmanifested by theirearnestemba yours to prove that the Veto - would never' be eon ceded, and that domestic nomination would never be submitted to,' and on this ground objected to • taking theirClairus into consideration. Tlie ( 1 ,3- tholics were suspected of entertaining soniesecret opinions (secret they must he; for no such opi 'lions had ever lien avowed), that they were not' • bound by an oath to keep their engagements with thu who prof.:Ased 'a difterent religion. Ott the of.ment,al reseryation,be wished to -read. a the C;::titolics. 'To these he wiAh to call their attentio:.., •es what lie was about • to react was read to' the tioase, and • was worth hearing. The Catholics had - not affected to d • spistt . the charge perferred against them on the r...tbieet, but had applied themselves to' di:Trove .4., and deektred, " That, it. was a funtiamenral principle of their religion, that no person ou etirt.ll could license men ~•to. lie, forswear, or 'perjore iheinselvei„or to act agahtst theircountry, folder the pretetiet•of serviugthe eattse Ofreligioa, and all pardons issued, On such grounds, could have no validity, and Wald - only acid sacrilege and blasphemy to the aboye 7 inention The crimes. T NOhl e L o rd had - said this was not thy time at whijb.. the nieasure that might be resolved on, in favnir orthe Cathalics,'could be initnediately carried into effect. He heard it was one %Odell . ought not to-be - hurelee; ,which could mot -be conic to in a day. No one wished it to bit 2trirriecl ; on the contrary', they ‘ere ready to give any, time for the con- • sideratfon of it which 'Abe ['oldie. Might think reasonable. Motions on this sithieet, it was for merly said, were useless ;. hut, lie would ask, had . the discussiOn of the Claims of the Catholics done no good for the cause ? He heard, indeed, that the 'sense of the. Country was against it, but It: ti k. I*.