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1 UMBER 3177:j IMPERLIL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF PEERS) TUESDAY, NOV. 23. IEsTY TUTS day at h alf past two o'clock, tits MA. came down to the House of Peers in the l lstlai State, and being seated, in his royal robes u pon the Throne, Sir FRANCIS MoLYNEox, Bart. Gent leman Ush er o f t h e Bl ac k R o d, was deputed to order the attendance of the Commons, who forth to a v ery cons id era bl e num b er, appeared at at:he Bar. — HIS - MAJESTY thendelivered th e follow "ng m ost gracious Speech from the Throne: " My' Lords, and Gentlemen, IT i s highlv gratifying to Me to r esort to Y°llr Advic e an d ( Ass i stance, a f ter the opportunity sewhich has been 4icently afforded, of collating the ,c e V I MY Pqr.ejy,_ realized ltisperity of the Country has tien tournlQ" sanguine Hopes ;We have expe ,u ct'd Bounty o f Di v i ne P ro vid e n ce i n t h e pro ce of a•n abundant Harvest. R T he state o f t h e M anu f a et ures , C ommerce, an d b -venu e of My United Kingdom, is flourishing ‘ ,„Z i ° ,, n d exampl e ; and the Loyalty and Attachment z n , -c " are manifested to My Person and Gove.rn .s - " t ) afford the strongest indications of the just e e nse that is entertained of the numerous Blessings n iqed under the. Protation of our happy Consti thtion, • " In M y I ntercourse w i t h F ore i gn Powers, I Th a ve bee n aauated ,by,a sincere" Disposition for the tibaiiNenance of Peace. It is nevertheless impos lyise for Me to lose sight of that established and ath (System .Policy, by w hiCh t h e I nterests of c States are Conneaed w i t h O ur O wn ; an d 1 tiainnot therefore b e i n diff erent to any material lv?nge in their relative Condition and Strength. Condtta will be invariably regulated by a due -onsideration of the aaual Situation of Europe, and by -4 Ma watchful solicitude for the permanent Welfare y- People. " You will, I am persuaded, agree with Me in thinking, t h at i t i s incumbent upon Us to adopt th ose 'Means o f Security which- are best calculated th:o afford th e prospea of preserving to My Subjeas e Blessings of Peace. " Gentlemen of the Howe of Commons, " I lave ordered the Estimates for the ensuing -tea r to be laid before you ; and I rely on your Zeal t an f d iberaljty t • he Public s in providi ng for the various Branches -ervice ; which it is -a great satis friaa " vi t° Me to t hi nk, may be f ully accomplished tll° llt any considerable addition to the Burdens of People. Afy L or d s, and G entlemen, treat and increasing Benefits produced by that im aportant Measure, which has united' the Interests, -,,nd consolidated the Resources of Great . Britain and a.tdreland. The improvement and extension of these are, and Attention. The Trade r..nd Commerce 1".37 Subjeas, so essential t 6 the support of Pub -4e Credit, and of our Maritime Strength, will, I t il l Persuaded, receive from you every possible En. :s ura g ( "lnent ; and you will readily lend your as_ eye ' 4tv)ery part of My in affording to Mercantile Transaaions in United Kingdom, all the facility d accommodation that may be consistent with the e C u rity of the Public Revenue. tour To uph o ld the Honour of the Country, to en toage. its Industry, to improve its Resources, and inaititain the. true_ Principles of the Constituti on ti e e horOi arid Staie are. the great and leading Du. e whielt,You are called upon to discharge. In Performance of them, you may be assured of 1 110 Y uniform and cordial Support ; it being My Q or st earne st w i sh to cultivate a perfect Harmony ; ! n c i 1 40 41 ence b etween Me and My Parliament, and to St i j l )s to the utmost the Welfare of .11 , 1 v ton„.11, whose Interes ts an d H a p p i ness ishall ev er tiler as inseparable from My Own." T hel, o4l Commons then retired, and shortly after for m 4l PF FIELD was i ntr od uce d w i t h t h e usual thin , : iiti es, sworn, a n d t oo k hi s seat . Hi s L or d . , 4 4 1 4 " st'Pporters. were Lords Aucxt..vin and FEL- - - Afte r ‘41 4 , a short inter va l h a d e l apse d , t h e L ORD 19 ,11i, i\ h e t Loa read a copy of His Majesty's Speech, tabl e was afterwards., read by the Clerk at the THE ADDRESS. t Ii,, Qrd4 RDEN then rose to move an Address to The to kbi v laiesty o n the occasion of his Speech.. a Sp eec h Lord prefaced the Motion with short circa in which he descanted upon the favourable s ittcliolstances of the Country, with respect to l o t 1)1,:r.oal situation, which under the bounty ,n f 4ndvidence,. were to be attributed to the wisdom verns"nd-policy which aftuated His Majesty's tine Sp e ; tl ' h e nr• He remarked, that the pasage terircr", fro He the Throne, which adverted to in the t to e f i a . l 'oYaltv and attachment of the Country , is An l ''ell f r „:", ajesty's Person and Government, was that- there seemed to exist in the Country, some , . re n Ivhi t s b of that spirit of disloyalty and disaffection Se cret f°rmerly slimed itself, and which still led to with t,celnbinations and traitorous designs. However I t)ay , es Pea to these points, he thought Parliament e oftiC°,nfidently rely on the attention and vigilance 1,. Ministers. With respeet to the . v . a . s lai.stillPortant considerations adverted to in 11_1 rlnfide-Y's the,SPe his Lordship seemed perfailY td by lin! that. und policy and energy display eroker " 'Majesty's Government, and the prudence, 1 and diicretion of Aliniiters e would induce those results which, were most consonant to, the Honour of His - Majesty's Crown, and the Security of his Dominions ; and it was his opinion, that the line of condua recommended in the Speech from the Throne, would best tend to the preservation of the Blessings of Peace. Under these convictions his Lordship moved an Address to His 'Majesty, which was of considerable length, and, as nsual, on similar occasions, a faithful echo of the Speech. The Address being read from the Woolsack, Lord Viscount NELSON rose to second it. He expressed his most cordial approbation of the prin ciples laid down therein, and of the sentiments it contained : He was, the friend of Peace, and, he observed, having seen so much . of• the miseries of War, strengthened him in that intlination. How ever, much as he loved Peace, he had' no hesitation to declare, that the Honour of the Country was its best jewel, and that we should never suffer it to be tarnished. The next consideration . was, the r.:O - andsecuritY of our Commerce. In the just defence of theie, we should , persist to the last drop of cur blood; and Peace should be one of honour and security, to induce him to love it. He be lieved that the Country in general was aduated by `the same sentiments, and . that it was unani mous for the vindication of its HonoUr and that of the Sovereign, and for the proteaioa of its legitimate Comtherce. The best way t 6 preserve all was, by our conduft to evince, that though we loved Peace, we were not afraid of War. The declarations in the Speech relative to the gene ral situation of Europe, he most heartily approved of. No Power on the Continent should arrogantly say to any *of the others, « you shall ; do thus, and not do otherwise." Such would be a violation of National Independence. On the whole, he. cordially agreed in the Address moved by the Noble Lord, and he should not that evening,,arotible their Lord ships further on the, subjed, should_ he, not feel it necessary to rise in explanation, in consequence of any thing that may be said in the course of the Debate. The Marquis of ABERCORN, in a speech of considerable length, delivered his, sentiments, not only upon the topics adverted to in His Majesty's Speech and the Address, but_ with respea to the comparative situation of the Country : at present, and that in which it stood fit former periods. 'He belie red that every Noble Lord: who heard him would agree that the present .was one of the most critical and momentous periods that ever occurred in the History of Britain. They had many bitter reeolledions as to the past; and many new and urgent considerations with resped to. the future; the present novel and unhinged state of Europe was among the latter; and with respea to the COuntry itself, the sitssiaen, in whiehlio:dce stood, how i,taods, an,.; is likely to stand in futureovere serious and que - stionable considerations for the first new Parliament Of the United Kingdom; and these would certainly arrest the feelings of every man who composed it.—His Lordship proceeded to censure, in strong terns, the line of policy adOpted by the present Administra tion, and seemed to compare the conduct of France and this Country, in their political intercourses, as a system of insolence on th.e one hand, and of de.: grading humiliation on the other.—Great changes were efiefted on the Continent ; this Country should be prepared for the worstit was still adequate to its own defence, and it was happy that it was so ; the very fate of the Country was at stake.—The question was, whether' the condua of Government would be, to keep us as we are, or rather as we ought to bey or, that we should drudge:on in the etern a l round of diplomatic mystery and failure, irethe founded hope of preserving an ;insecure and un. equal Peace ?—The Power we had , to,ropf3rwith, was always our. Rival, and never yet- our , Friend ; but a Rival that was always more successful in Peace than in War ; the present posture of this Rival was formidable and menacing indeed—his foot upon every neighbouring and prostrate Na tidn, and his hand for ever on his sword—A gloomy and desponding mind could not be fairly imputed to himself: but he could not shut his eyes on the real comparative situation of the Countries— Such a situation as Ministers had brought this Country to was lamentable, after all the blood and treasure which had been sacrificed for her honour and security—after a contest for every thing va luable to Man in Civilized—Society. The No ble Lord seemed to consider the measure of Unior. as one of the highest importance, con solidating and increasing the strength of the Em pire, and tending to enable the Country the better to look her perilous situAiOn in the face— this measure, as well as the prosperous and rcspea able situation, in which, till lately, the Empire stood, was chiefly to be attrhoted to the incom_ parable talents of a Minister, the superior powers of whose mind could only be equalled by the sound_ fleas of his principles, and the integrity 'of his heart --the wisdom of his counsels, and the vigor of his measures shelved 'at once the strength of his abilities, and the spirit and intrepidity by which he was aauated.—Were not the hands of that great Minister with-held, were he un_ incumbered, and left unembarrassed, and his advice followed ; he entertained no doubt,, but that Mini ster, single, and alone, would have • brought the contest to a happy and successfUl issue : his services and exertions were rewarded byi the gratitude and affeaion of his Country, and his' wisdom and inte grity would be duly appreciated by succeeding ages. The Noble Marquis proceeded -to deliver his senti_ ments upon the various points conneaed with his general subjea, and commented rather a t length upon the subjea of the late Pacification, and the condua of Ministers with respect to tile Preliminary, the. intermediate Negotiations, and the Definitive 'Peaty of these he spok e in general tern of . , . _ kAi n - ) 7:7•11. 11 1:(*t . . . 4i, 'i - ,; - -.' _—...., , . • ~,,,/ / / -q- ~...':„ ,-,., „. -- , ~, A i.: •--div,,;••- ,' . , -...,,,, - s-$. , •i.I 1. :: ''''. l i.. . 41 c .; '‘ 4 '-, , .-1 , „ A ..:•%*1,,,,,, A . ~,'E t i . - . 4. "4‘ Ir i .- i r• E ,„,....,,...„,...„.......,..„..,.. ~,,,,,,,•..„.........„ ..-___-- -- - - --- i !:: -4 , '" H ifiti . ` f k •—' - .77., ,--;- ,;47/40;1 , •':?: - .S, . , Inl '',.. IL N;,.. - lii. ~.. •ii-iv. I ... . 4 i,,, . . . . . - ...., - . "'et:. '• -i. s . S . 7- • • • • . , laarl 91s -1 11(.1 , Wiplill \\ • . 'I " .. . .. • ' • .. ..,.- . WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 24, zBO2. disapprobation ; he.seemed to.consider the present; as an experimental Peace ;, btit" it 'was with satis faelion he felt himself disposed to agree with a Noble Viscount, who thought th e P eo pl e, were now unanirnoui,in a deteemination to support the honour of their Country, and to resist the overweening ambition of our ancient. Rivals; apd he stated sonic instances in which he 'considered the late Enemies of the Country as having aded in a fraudulent and perfidious manner.—He. thought a vigorous and spirited line of condud could alone extricate t) is Country from its perilous situation ; they should boldly look the danger in the face. Peace, he seemed to say, was ten times more necessary to France, and particularly to the First Consul. The consideration, even were it true, of our having no Continental Allies, should not dismay. us ; we should e trave rite less to' clog our operations, or to divert our re sorrces.—France, he conceived, to be surrounded te:,/ _inveterate - enemies, wlu only waited for the moment in which they could effedually declare themselves ; in that view, all the chances of War, would be in ou r favour.--.Spirit, unanimity, and a due confidence in our internal resources; would effelually enable us to resist the unwarrantable ambition of France. .It waslherefOre with pleasure he perceived these indications of spirit and firmness now manifested by the GOA' , ernment. The Earl ofcAßLis CE obserVed, that,he shotild indulge no triumph on beholding the recent tonclud of Ministers, which he conceived was .a derelittion of those principles on which they had aded, when he last ifad'occasion to express his opinions there.. on. .He . took ,no meri t f or f oresee i ng, as h e t h en had declared, the inevitable consequences of their condud. 'Speaking' of-the late Treaty, (so we un, derstood his Lordship)„ -he said, it forcibly brought into his recolledion a trite' observation of Dr. Johnson, who, on being requested to give his opi nion of a certain Poem, said, he thought there were many men, women, and children, 'who could compose as. good a one—and so he thought of the Measure in question. He was happy, that a high er tone than. usual was adopted by Ministers. .Fle .had to hope, that their anions would correspond with their professions ; and he thought for that part of their conduCl, which went to lower and .depress the Public Spirit, Ministers stood re sponsible.—lf there existed, the spirit and •ener gy in the Country which was 'lately alledged, he would ask, why that spirit and energy was not resorted to before, and ere so many humi« hating and important sacrifices were suffered to he made to France : every day some new agrandize ment took place, and to which the conclua of this Country eventually contributed. In this part of his Speech the "Ne' 4-lie Earl adverted . to, the C:essic with ez tad bten' maae, at the same lime there were parts of the Address which he approved of. Many points conneded with the general subjed furnished grounds for fair discussion on future opportunities, hut in the present instance some_points in the Ad dress breathed such a spirit, and seemed of such a salutary tendency, that he did not mean to oppose it. The Duke NORFOLK made a few observations on some parts of the - Address,. and expressed. his hope that the words he alluded to would import no more than,a determination to interfere on occasions wh6e the real honour and interests of this Country were afieded,..and not Upon trivial Or ordinary oc casions. The LORD CHANC LiOR then, after reading the Address; put the question thereon, when Lord GRENVILLE rose, and delive'red his sen timents upon the subjects in debate at tome-length. He cordially agreed with what had been unani- mousty admitted, th at the present circumstances of the Country were 'the most critical in which she was ever placed, 'and that the new Parliament assembled at a period aWfUI and anxious beyond all former precedent, and when the public expectation was more than ever alive ; that they may learn the real situation of the Country, whether it was to be suffered to continue in a state of crouching and humiliation, or whether the War was to be renewed under circumstances the most perilous and disadvan tagemis. The Speech and the Address, he observed, contained three leadi proppsitions, and with which he was disposed to agree ; the first of these contained a elect- dnd deckled censure upon the condua of the present Government, whose duty it was to have kept a jealous and watchful eye upon the occurrences of the Continent. The next proposition was, that no material change in the Powers of Europe could be viewed with in difference, This doctrine was, however, contrary to every principle and argument which was advanced in support of the Peace ; and in another view, he would ask, have not the most material changes taken place in Europe, and has any attention been paid to them ?---Did not even in the period of Ne gotiation France acquire Louisiana in America, and Italy in Europe, without its vary-ir.. , va tittle of the condua of Ministers,' though they had negotiated' with arms in their hands ? In last, it appeared, that the more powerful France grew, the more advanta_ geous the terms were rendered to her. Nay, even before the ink was wet, or the„ wax cold, upon the Treaty, Piedmont was suffered to be ad. ded to the extended Territories of France: Speak ing Of the conduCt of•flie : Negotiation, he censured the mode in which the King of Sardinia was treated ; of whose spirit, and his fidelity to this Country, his Lordship stated some instances. He also cen- sured the conduit of Ministers in not interfering in the important case of the German arrangements. — Perhaps, he said, Ministers thought Germany form ed no part of Europe, or that the concerns of the Empire were of no importance to this Country. --On this occasion they did not even complain, though the Constitution of Germany was as much subverted as that of Switzerland, and hex :Cerrito. [PkICE SIXPENCE. ries More plundered. Another part of the conilud of France, he.observed, involved a breach of the Treaty of Amiens, and see Med to affeCt the Do. minions even of. our own ,Sovereign.---He first al luded to the House, of Oiatige, which was by Treaty to be fully / indemnified for its pecuniary arid political _losses ; and on this • head he would take the liberty even of asking. the Noble Lord who signed the Treaty, if he was of dpinion, the House of Orange was indemnified ; or' if thereivere any hopes if that House should not be indetnnified in Germany, that it, would bo , indemnifiedat all ? The Other point he allnded to respeeted the Eletioral' Dominions of our Sovereign, which it would appeaf were to be made to suffer on account of England ; And that a part of the little pittance of indemnity . allotted to_ the House of aninge, tPken from the Territories of - our own'Sovereign. He would forbea:-- dwelling on this topic, .e.; he felt cher nothing, he could sty could the impression.whieh such . ,a consideration tnust'inake on the House. With resped. to -the alteration in the'tone and language of Ministers, he observed, it was not till October this was apparent, or that Means were,teken for securipg an adequate mode of defence. He agreed'. to the auzmentation requi'red, being necessary, but the House should be informed uppn what grounds it was called for, which did not previously exist.—lt was fair to ask for what par ticular reasons such measures were resorted to. It could not be any alteration in the disposition of France towards this Country, for every day since the signature of the. PreiirniziarY 'Treaty, France has afforded , unequivoCal proofs of a hostile spirit . towards this Country.—The ,best, hope -of she Country at present was, that-a total change of systerri and principle in its Government should rake plaee.. He felt no animosity towards any of His Majesty's present Ministers, for some of them 'he had a sincere respeet ; .but he felt it his duty to say, that if it were meant to consult the true interests of the Country a change must sake place, with respeet to the persons to whose discretion the ma. nagement of its , affurs were to' be trusted; he here entered 'into, some derailed instances, respeeling which he censured the conduet.of Minister's ; aftet e , which he adverted to the affair of Malta, one of the three commanding Naval Stations, which, he ob served, was happily retained by this Country only through the inexplicability of the arrangements which were made respeaing 'it. He censured the Ministers for going on disarming, notwithstanding , the repeated proofs they had of the oppressive and ambitious spirit of France. The increase of the Power of France .should be with us a fresh motive for resistance : the day of account should not be • insecure and 01;:ronou:AIM: 1 1-"eace.' s • - the Country should be* called forth—the prepara tions should be prompt and vigorous, and the lan, guage firm and decided: The Country Could be ex- tricated but by such means, and a recurrence for their diteetion to that person to whom the Countty with ene assent looked' up in momenta of distress and despondence, as the only instrument of its sal:. vation. Lord PELiIAZf conceived it unneceisary, at present, to follow the Noble Lords, at the other side of the House, in their detail of arguments. Much would necessarily become the. subjed of future dis 7 cussion, particularly when the Estimates were before the House. A degree of mutual jealousy between the two Countries was natural, after so long a eon test.—He briefly defended the condo& of I\ilinistrs, with respet to Con tiovntal Interference, and advert ed to the consideratfon, that the Powers interested were satisfied with -iespeci to the German hider'''. nities. The Earl of C A ATS FORT spoke at some length, in support of the leading arguments of his Nt:bie Relative, Lord GRENVILLE. Lord HOB ART answered, with much ability and spirit, several of the propo , itions urged by the last-mentioned Peer—it was at present unnecessary to follow him in detail ; but he denied the charge of Ministers having gone on disarming from day to day; the periods of service of those who were enlisted had expired ; they were "nece3sarily discharged.—A. great deal was said to establish the inference that the Government of the Country was now placed- in incapable hands.—As he had the ho nour to be of those Ministers, it would ill be come him to speak as to their opinion of their own abilities, but when they-were told of the situation of the Continent, he would ask, what the situation of. it was when that Noble. Lord felt it his duty to relinquish his own situation as a ,Minister?--He supported him with pleasure while in office, but they were not to be 'told that the present situation of Europe was owing to the incapacity of the present Ministers—it- was owing to circumstances beyond the power of the Country to control.—With resped to Malta, he differed in opinion from the Noble Lord ; and in concluding, he expressed his hope that the House would be sensible of ali the difficulties under which the present Ministry came into oce—these ,difficulties were well known to the Noble Lord, and he would say, that whenever the Noble Lord criminated Ministers for their in_ capacity, he criminated himself for resigning his situation. The question was then put, and the Address was voted Nem. Dis. and the Lords with White Staves, were ordered to wait upon His Majesty, to learn . when he would be pleased to be waited on with the same. On the Motion of Lord PELHAM, Lord WAL. SINGHAM was appointed Chairman of the Commit tee of Privilege, of all the Committees of the House, and of the private Committees during the Session. The owl Orders at the coalmen - cement-a the L rwl '