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A. Estimate' Mantling is * notice in the ;doper for that evening. he sod his Nun. Friends near f ug , hol•espected that they would be brought on in the Committee, and h.d therefore come down i nepared.to ,Ivr into the dierinoion of them, but uoprepared for any diecuenon of the Navy geminate.. • StrJ.Ossons said, that there were a few votes for the navy still reumiiiiing to be disposed of, owl lie Ind understood-on the last night of she Committee that there world he we objection to proceed with them on this eveilitig. M r , mks said, that he had several statements to lay before the Committee on the subject of the Breakwater at Plymouth, the works at Shrew's ond other plaices—Ole plovers relating to which, owing to the notice of the Army Estimates. and the *tint of notice of site Navy Estimates. he had but brought down with him, end WWI theiefuie whol ly in:prepared to go into them. Sir .1. Omits said, in consequence of what the Member had stated, he would postpone for the prevent ihr vote fur the works in the yards ; nod move a giant of 265,000/. for the purchase of pro visions for troops and garrisons 011 foreign stallion', and for she convict service, and the value of rations fur troop• to be embarked on board ships of war and transports. Mr. Howl said he could have wished to have it distantly stated what proportion of this grant was required for provision. for troops is pinkies on foreign stations— what proportion for the convict service—mad what propor boa for 110Jpiembrrked on board ships of war asd traua porta. These particulars were necessary to euable the Com mittee to judge of the ieasonabletiess of the vote; and he therefore hoped that they would be specified in the estimates aver, (enure year. The tube was then agreed to. The of 231,9001. was then voted far the service of the traeoposa department. Sie J. OSBORN sad there only now remained the vote for she warts is the welt to he considered, ah:ch he ander otooll dal Hos. Mosher not to be prepared to discuss at proud. Mr. HUME said there were several points in that vole as which some explanation appeared to him to be necessary, whisk ha mold out well go into without some dominions. whit* Not **peeling the subject to be brought on that sight he had MA at hoses. ARMY ESTIMATES. Lewd PALM ER6IOAt hen rose to penpese tie dune for the establishment of the War-office for the esseiag year. Reductions had been made in the establishment to the mon key of persons, and is total amount of 8.0001. The re daction would not appear to beso mooch nu comparing the totals of each year, because • sum of 9001. fur the reduction of roes had been, through error, twice deducted la the imamate' of last year. Of the officers reduced in the amoral of hut year, there was one at a salary 1,200/. ; one at 1,901111.; two at 8001.; two at 7001.; one at 8001.; two at 4501.; one at 400/. ; and the others al l..wer salaries. There was still a large part of the office employed on the acemets la aaaa which oereeld of course be subject to re- Jimmies as those accounts were brought to a close. Pursuset to • seisms of the Treasure, he had formed an arrange.. most of the elite oa • sew scale, which when brought into fall operation would create a difference of 19,0001. At meta each clerk, is calculating the period at which be Weems entitled to as increase of salary, dated from his fleet entrance into the office ; but in totem the time would be reckoned doting only from his standing in the reticular class to which lie belonged. The efeet of the alteration would be considerably to retard the period at which each clerk would become entitled to an increase of John. So that supposing A clerk to enter theta:Bee at a salary of 90f. • year, and to he promoted its regales grade. tins through the several classes, he must have served 48 yeses before hi can become mottled to • salary of 900/. He concluded moviug • grant of 41,11151. 16s. for as anew. *ace to the %Secretary at War, his Deputy, Clerks, Ike. Kr. HOME seed, he was glad to hest- the statement of tat Noble Lord of the reductiom that had bees made. He (M r• 11.) could only mike them amount to 7,3001. Them was as ad. &Con of 4,0601. to the amount of the pension foe superan nuation. The Noble Lord hail stated the amount of redee. times Mem 1114 at 19,0001.; but if he looked at the pension list be would Sad that 17,9101. bed bees added to it in abet period from the War Office. In stalls', therefore, the amount of redeletiode, he stated them at more than they proved to be is aka, a part of the amount being in reality ouly trans formed from me head of charge to another. The whole 'eta blidemeneeruht to have been reduced much lower. Is 1798, it was may mow, and in 19013 it was 29,000/. The breach for amewelerite arrest, made a charge in the present estimate of 13,0001.; last year it was 17.0001. This system of tritium stemmas fall into rrrrrr r and letting them remain without examinatioo so long, that the individuals who coeld give *se explanation respecting them uric dead, was attended milk much vexation, incionreidence, and often Injestice to indieidosile.Theee was no office in the whole range of thepub lie service that eas more in need of regulation than the Wee Office; sad much. of not the greater part of the evil *fate pm. seat system had lieu crested under the management of the Noble Lord. The Hoe. Member thee proceeded to observe tepee the endear the salaries in this office. The Commis ci !agony is 1796, when speaking of the inereme of the salaries in this department, raid, " they found the Minute to have been granted under particular cir cumstances, and they considered them as of a tempo. racy nature' From that, be contended, it was tvi desk the teamed aisle was only impeded to be eon. eimied daring the extraordinary exertion of the war. lilt comuidered it as not a little serprising that they had a Secretary at War at • solar, of 2,4801, sad a Deputy Secre te,' at 9,690/.: the Deputy receiving • larger salary than the priscipal. The lest clerk received 1,4001; In 1796 his salary was 722/. The system of pluralities that prevailed tea the office wee 'kW, reprehensible. There wet one clerk who reserved 1,926/. fur diffeient allowances. There was • Mr. Edward abet load • salary of 700/. which he should have supposed ass intended as a payment fur the whole of his service's ; hut he ale, had Ls addit el allow- ante of 180/. fur no.okitig out the estimates. There was • NU. Wilkiumn, alone faulty was 400/. • year; bat who re ceived an additional 1001. for misting to unlike out the esti mairs, another 1001. fur (doting the army list, mud ad dittoesl sums under three other separate heads of al. lowlier's. There was a Mr. ll'. Merry, junior, who had a salary of ?NI a year, and au additional allowance of 300/. as Private rib crelary to the Deputy Sectetsry.-- Tkere weir •Ilowsoces of this kind remising through the "Ere whirl, seeeled up the estimate to the amount at tenet of 3,8001. As far as lie was able to understand, and lie had very mood automates ion respecting the business of the office, he was errofident that fifteen tomes might be found to do the whole fur 18,0001. The charts of Leber. fur contingencies he thought kith!). ektral'aratm• When he too t occasion last year to advert to the number of clerks at large seltrie• in the higher deportment* of the office, the Noble teed deelored that not one of them could be ; hut slate that declaration he had reduced several. Nou he • a, coneraced from tbat fact, that the same reduc. lieu. Might as well have been•made before, and that if half 4 loon sate clerks were now reduced, the duties of the nther could be repi•lie well done as at presest. There won is Mr. Sullies• who hail been only ten years in the office, :ne! hoed • salary of 1,0001. He should like to hear from .sac Noble Lord how that gestletnao came to receive so large 4 "Ilary ia so few years. A pt•rsoou who had bees much l earn' as the service bad been ilia liseged. and at the same • this gentlem a n was recommended for as Imo-ease of ' 2 " O /. rear. The principle of mienotion by menially was "el chick could not be departed from without inconve. erete, and ought not but upon tome extraordinary ue "4"it• He wasild a-k the Noble lord bow be ream "l"l le kismet' the introdoction of so many young men P e the office, while he had increased his pension lit He should like au know how messy new bands he • y. ":"%frai redeeing with one baud, -he heel in --etee flesh appeintaseMs with the other. By list return aftioatalabiiabstraiiltetti 6.6leardoi to be him *eon wise had sally here moo year in the office. So that they Ural have beer appoiotod noes the Nimble Lord's system of reductive so 4 eamosey hod been began.' 'There were se. wriest junior delete we the peewees list at 14tt/. a year; why had mot ilrey been pot tato the sltnationa which lied been filled by fowls eippoistiiients! All vacancies shoeld be filled up from the siepersonuatio. list. If that plea were mood no, the Noble Lord would have no occasion to intro. duce any sew penises for the next ten years. He euncleoled by proostior against the charge of 43,000!. fur this office, when is 1801 it wanted to little more thou half that awn. Lord PALMERSTON said, it was true that in the dis. erasion ow the strength of the establighineut of his office last year, be had soled that no further reductions could be made without inconvenience; and if, is compliance with Uterine . 'rations of Gentlemen opposite, he hail since 'educed some of those vomits who might much more cotiveitieutls fur the public service have been reialoed, he thought it rattier strange that the Hooorrable Member should now torn round, and with his peculiar inconosteney complain of that reduction. The Hutt. Member complained of his (Lord Palniersiou's) introducing young clerks into the office notrati of 'hue whom he had reduced. But that was the only means by which he bail been enabled to ell; et the reductions which he had made. He reduced clerks who had bees employed at larger salaries, sod In order to supply the assistance required to make up for their removal, he appointed aill.ein, fewer iu number, and at the lowest eateries of 901. a ye it. The great complaiot torsion the office last year was, that the salaries were too lure.. To lessen the charge, he reduced a number of the highest salaiies and employed persons at the lowest rate. and that mode of reduction was now made the subject of complaint. If the p t establisbownt of the office were compared with that of 1798, it would be fuuud that theu the number of persons employed was smeller toil the snubs higher, and that now the clerks were more in number hot at lower salaries. The Deputy Sr. rotary, whose salary had been remarked spent by the Hon. Member, was formerly Inspector of Army Accunuo, and hod the supplying the tertian.) of Gibraltar with coals. The uffirial emoluments derived from those sources amount. ed to 2.4001. a year, end those he gave up in exchange for • salary of 2,6001. in an office imposhig on him a greatly in creased quantity of business. The Hun. Mendiersaid be had made inquiries, which rendered him fully acquainted with the state of the office; and he asserted, opus the know ledge he had so acquired, that there was no other public office that stood so much in need of reformation. He neither knew, nor wished to keno, the sourer from which the numerable Member derived his informatiou; bat ha could mown the House of she fact, that since the year 1610, as leas than ttl clerks is that office had died, mostly poem am of pulnioaary complaints, and other dia. "oder% loreasibt ea by the severity of the duty. Much bad also bees said by the Hon. Member on the subject of pls. rolitioa• bet if his informer had told him the troth, be would haw knows that so far from creating pluralities, he (Lord Palmorresen) bad always *et his fare against them, and bad prevented diem is many Osman's. The Hon. Mem• her had esosplaimed of the allowances to two of the clerks, for olrawirog lop the estimates. He could assure the Com. ntit'ee that that was a very laborious daty, which lasted se veral soothe; it was performed entirely in extra hours, with great aosiely and fatigue, after those persons bad gone . through their dee share of the regular business of the office, and ou far In,. Wag overpaid, be was sore the Hun. lei m. her himself would, or making the experiment, rather feel disposed to ammweat than to reduce it. Mr. Wilkinson's allarwmace for editing the Army List was quite misunder stood by the Honosoble Member. He was allowed to edit the monthly Army List at his own risk, and to take whatever emolument he could derive from the pub beating, bet be had no official allowance for it. The an nual Army List wua Wally different thing. It was mach larger, sad mere expensive; so mach so, that it would not pay any bookseller for publishing; and for his trouble in editing that, 100 L a year was allowed him. The Hon. Gee. ilesman's so das of en otionomial reform was truly curious. He said that 111,0001. was sufficient for the charge of the esseblioboarreg, mai be would dividethat among 15 persons. lammed • of tompheyiwg • greater member at smell salaries, be woad employ Mama at 1,000!. a year each. Mr. Merry, Jewkw, was employed is Private Secretary to the *matey at War, as 4 got to the Deputy Secretory, and he took charge of the whole correspondence respecting the Coat. poseiossie List. One of the other persons mentioned by the Hos. Member received a pert of his allowance for taking charge of the popery for the Depoty-Seeretary.—(Hear, boar.).--Hie should like to know bow many persons the Honourable Gentleman required to take rare of bis pa pers? The monimilation of the mass of papers that came iulo the *Ace consumed a great portion of time, and by intrustiag it to clerk, the time of the Secretary, which was much more relatable, war saved. The Hon. Member had eskitel how Mr. Sattivan came to receive so high a salmy. Ho (Lord Palmerston) had appointed him to the situation he now held al once; and he would say, with perfect coofidence, that if the HotroerWe Member inquired into the manner in which that grutietnan Aid his dury, be would find reason to approve of bra appointment ; and k be compered the state of she smuts store that person had been in the office with their pronto,' (verdant's, he would find that be deserved the highest credit for bis assiduity. Such was the opinion that he (Lord Palmenton)entert•ined of the weight of duty snacking to the oiler which Mr. Sullivan filled, that in the saw Peale framed on the Treasury Miller, be had recom mended the future salary to be increased to 1.200/. ; but the oddities would mot he received by Mr. Sullivan, but would be gives to whoever succeeded him. The office nand in the situation of the Chief Inspector of Army Account% who formerly received 1,500 f. is.year. He tame now to notice what bad been said of his introduction of fresh clerks biome hie plan of reduction had been commeoced. The fact was, that last year there being a great pressure of business, he appointed six temporary clerks, with the ex press understanding that they were to be reduced when that pressure sethaided. That, he supposed, had been mistake. by the Hon. Member for a set of new appointment% while old ones were cut off. The present charge fur the whole reta blishment of the Ohre was under 44,0001.; in 1796 it was 67,000!.; sod in 1797,51,000/. The Mom. Gentletnan well hoer that large fees ware formerly received, which went as emoluments to particular indi•ldeale. The Deputy Nears. tary bad received in one year fees amounting to upwards of 18,0001. which had been since abolished. In 1805, the cheese for the establishment of 105 persons was 66,0001.; at present it was 44,0001. for 116 persons; so that not only was the amount less, but the proportion paid to the imiimdsale was also diminished. The teurober of the persons employed and the charge fur the whole este blishment had by no means bear augmeated in propor tion to the Merto►e of biesinesa its the office. In 1794, the Number of papers Overd four') the office was 7,207, mid the number of persons employed was 22; 16'1797, the um ber of paper' isoupeal wan 14,253, mud the number of persons in the oilier was 42; mot in 1821, the number of papers sett out minortiied to the 792, and the number of roseate employed to Ise In 1797, the number of accoouts and docuiscots conuceted in the accounts sent into the of f ice, which bad to undergo examination, amounted to 1,205, in 19t0 it was 15,900. So that whether they looked to the number of paper. sent out, or to the uumher of docioneets that came into the office, they would find the business to have •usgmenint in a considerably critter proportion then either the mouton of prisons employed, or the musict paid fur the service tof the office The Noble Lord concluded by defending the uerlahoess of the breath approprintol to the esamioation of account' in &reser, which had already reeo. sired to the couutry sums tar exceediug the expeue•in. (tiered. . _ Colonel DAMS said, the charge of Ids Hon. Friend against t►e Noble I..ird was hut for bowing aisle reductioas after he had WWI tory could not be made, but foe his tarh.. one ea so doing, WWIIIII rearatoote until shnolotely driven to rrtreachoterat. And she proper way of cooolderlse the question wan MS to lonic rit t►e cannot of expenditure re duced, but so inquire want omega ma k b e sa „,t, go d b e hoped that the wily limit to future redottioss would be the impw•ibthtr of earryiog thi in further. Mr. HUME said, the Noble lord had talked of - employ. in elm kr at 911 J. a 6ear, I 'MACS(' task..., at web no t ar i es u b o bad bees. adored ; but he *lmola like to Mira bow mart be bad sow io his office st that ratwaf *May ? He believed that weir L CM* to .be !wand 41.1t4s Maar 1201: • Trells respect ki !Er. 4 . 4.• Oak tie 4 had bens somewhat esinianliwary. Ha need his tier. rites Is bore beam of au stries 44l a Melefetfiterali ete fl• here throws all vibe had gorse before Mai nom the abode. dad is cesseerproce of his excreting', iserilenese osselisam he had reeomarmsded an ierrearrt of aolary„ sot tra be Eisen ID Mr. Sallies., wane zeal fall standstill had beta al cumipi. troops and in exemplary., bad 6o nhernom might chaste to succeed him. Such a principle of reward mad autwabatitios lof emolument be bad sever before heard of, mid madly teald um comprehend. 4 • Lord PALMERSTON mid, the Honoured, Modiber t with hi. 'noel inceonatericy, bad beat curaptained Nan too large s sa t o ., . 22 g i ven ir t Mr. !Outlives. and wow Iliosiwei Inn for soot having reronswiemted that it should be istbressed. Mr H. G. BENNETT vindicated his Honourable Primed , (Mr: Hone) from the charge sf bitossieleney. HI. Ho. Geetable Friend bail tensility at first maid foe as ex. plaeatioa of the claims of Mr./Whys. t o so large sty; sold the Nutile Lord is explanation had nand the nodal, and services of that weettersan to be eneh as In induce him to recurnineied as addition of 21/01. to the misty, not ol laineself, bat of hie softener, whoever I be might be, aria however little he eight be capable of de. I serving it. His Barometric Friesd, in reply to that explaisv tioo, had expressed hie surprise at the extraordinary mode wield/410f comphinesting and rewinding Mr. &Oliver tee big verifiers, by watch out himself, but aurae other perm* to cense after km, of whom he Mime ' , whine, sod who Nicht probably sat be half so d lag. well to be beaebied. He (Mr.. H. G. B.) wan at a leas is discover any i literacy in that. Lord PALMERSTON explained, that he had reeofa meaded the inerts.e of salary from a persuasion that It was doe lu the weight of hasineas which fell to it. But Mr. Sullivan and himself had tostarred in preferring that it should lie a pioripective regula son, and not an immediate one, brcau.e that Geo4•seas was a persotial toaamtion of kls, and appointed by lima. Mr. W. SMITH said, there did aM yet appear say suffi cient rams fur the 'acreage of salary to the successor to the office, the duties of which were now so /ally u 4 ably per. formed at a salary of 1,000/. The elite was then ogrtetl to. Laird PALMERSTON then proposed the grant of 110,903/. for as allowance to the Paymaater•Geoeral, his Deputy, clerks, die. Cumin DAVIES said this was an office which might be altogether dispensed with, and the duties performed by the Secretary at War, within whose control it lay. In 1797, when there were two joint Paymaster'', one of whom had since been abolished as • insecure, the charge of Ibis office woe ugly 11,3401.; which at present fir salaries alone, exclusive of imperanosiation pensions and cootiageociis, was swelled to 19,0001., being, if the salary of the income since sbollsied were dedaeird, more than double the amount at NW period. On whet oround, he asked, was this ewers goat sod sinless eutsbiwhment to be kept up. Bat he knew it would be is vent to contest the point ; that was apparent from themes's', in which the discussions on these estimates were treated. Last year Gentlemen voted for the estimates, gad afterwards fur the "eposl of some of the taxes; this year they would not vote for the repeal of any taxes,but they mid they would vote spinet Ike estimates. When, how. ever, it came to the point, and the estimates were pet to the vote, the same Gentlemen either voted with the majority. or never gave any vote at all. On that eased be would not undertake to propose any amendment ;rhos if say other Gentleman moved au imiendenent, be should be ready to support him. Sir C. LONG said, that none of the Committees which had satoo the office of Paymaster, General had ever thought it useless, hot now the Honourable Gentleman comes slows, and, in his sagacity, diecovere that which had escaped them ; hot he (Sir C. Long) would tell him, that hit kaew nothing of throatier. of the office wises be rafted it, duties merelyanisise *real. Did he coercive the payment of she half pay was* mi nisterial duty, which could be discharged by the Bank of En tered ? Another duty which the Paymaster had to perform, mad which he (Sir C. Long) had been occupied with daring the 'morning, was the Axing the amount of petiole's to be goyim to discharged sniffier*. Was that a ministerial duty which the Bank could perform? Again, in the psymest of pelteemirney, three was a duty which was pot ministerial, sad which no Bonk could perform. If the Honourable Gentlemen was satiated of the correctness of his own views with respect to the office, he ought to brie( in a Sill to put it on a different footing; but if be oestured to hooch on that sea, he wonld be shipwrecled before he gut a hewing, yards from shore. As to the half pay, in 1792 it smounted to 231,0001. and the number of persons to whom it was paid was 4,707, and the payments were twice a year. Now the amount was 1,520,000 f. which was paid to 11,900 peesons try quarterly payments ; so that the i aaaaa scot bass sees Ma me 1792 would well account for the Macrame, its the establishment of the office, and that increased bassinet* arose from eels of that House. To another &cessation of the Hon. Gentleman he pleaded guilty. The cry bad hitherto been, you have struck of from the poor clerks, but have left untouched the beads of departments; but be (Sir C. Long) had diinioisbed the eateries of all the higher classes, sad now, of the lower. Mr. WUME said, the whole amount of the redoetioes verde by the Might Him. Gentleman, as compared with last year, anwowired to 1,9011, and the accountant still stood at 1,5001 a year a casino.' et 1,4801., sap so on in proportion. This whole o f Hight Hon. Gentlempn's speech turned on the word ministerial, and yet the Finance Coessinistee of 1817 make use of the eery same word ; and the Vapor( went on to state that alt MN duties were reduced to mere mat ter, of account. The business was in fact now coadocted by prieted forms, ands* mock had the clerks to do, that if Foes went to the y-office before 11 o'clock or after two o'clock, you bed no ellutme in get say business dote. He thought the office hour, ought to he at least from nine o'clock till four. As to the duties at Chethea Hospital. or those rela tive to peke-money, the Right Hon. Gentleman said they had nothiog to do with the duties of the Paynsastir-General. Last year he (Mr Hume) had found fault Mete a charge of 3,800/. fur expense of paying rereigo officers; be &toot me that item in this year's estimate; was that trastsferred to the Paymaster.Gersenre office? Hr should like to b ice_ formed whether the Committee about to be appointed on the public accounts were to exJend their inepsiriee to other offices besides the y ? If they were, he thought thaly would point out a simple mode of keeping the amounts its the perraces. of both the army sad navy. Sir C. LONG said, he had always studied to Misplay the accounts orbits office, bat the Hautarable Gestlenses would recollect that hr (Sir C. Lang) was a public aecountaat to the amount of nearly three hundred asillauw;-and though, no doubt, the Honourable Gentlemau could gave him a ampler form of arniuntr. yet be mudt look &little Ishii, own awe. city, and consiatratiy with that object, the bootee's could not be done in a simpler form. The paying of the foreign cams Itadleea transferred to the Pay.oflier, mad be (Sw C. Long) had selected two out of thesis clerk. formerly employed by Mr. Disney, and appointed them on the same saltily, sod at the Dame time giving them so•underainnttbaftbey were tbni porary clerk.; thew conditiowthersubwribed to, and yet the lieu. Member for Aberdeen was not satisfied. lie therefore despaired of any thing being done on that aide of the House whieb . euntd satisfy she Hun. Gentleman. If the Paymaster'. Daft ia 1791, were mioitterial, It had changed its character wry materialy in lst2, and ther die Flan. Gentleman Inuit below, if be kiiew way thing at allot' the ollice. Colonel DAVIES espinitied. Lord PALMERSTON said, the office of Pasoinater.G•- neral was out simply to issue money, as the Hon. Gentk mon supposed; but he had the duty to aicertain by a entente lospretion of durosuerrta i not only the identity of party, but their barring coeforosed so sill the regulations of thvekr- vier. The hiymasiet.Csessersl was oho iz.isjficalo Paymaster of Chchir3 llospitil. Mr. HUM C said lie inset remind the Noble !Ara (Pallier. stun) that last year be declared it was impossible to iramifer ibe payment of the foreign troops, yet this year he It. Mtsr few yardarm's Mr. PEAMCB and Col. DAVILA the resolutiou wes named to. £6,1144 was thee moved fur the Adisitaut.Gmersl's De. parlors'. Mr. HUM/testi'''. the Noble Lard), smuttiest to el minas.. dieted Aural Ibob, by which he wield we that them 1, Of au allowsom of balf. to be combined till the Ailistast.Geoerol oat placed on the staff. lie wislud to know if that officer was mos ems cue tiro dee! Whetter Aliti e l e aMitre ME— • year fems the romesamil Of the Id West I fa mimetic I Lord PALMERSTON elid the Adjdiest ral lad set , bees os thrust since the year ISIS. The resolution lets thee agreed .4,6•0 wag thew 1110‘111 fur the Jedee-Adeteeete.Crisevel, his Depety, Clerks, and contingent calker/es Of Ilia office. Mr. HU el E observed there Cat • rechictiola of 600/. from this item, end tilted to know hoer it armor ? Lord PALM ERSTON sale It arose rpm the absllitio• of the Deputy Judge•Advoeute In ffetth Britain, and the cc lietesent of the Dewy ledge-Advocate of &Weed. Mr. HUMS said be *amid be glad to know If there Were •u intention of bringing bask the oiler; of the Joke Ad vueate-G Ito the rate at which It formerly stood ? Two thourand Are huudred pounds a year he conaidrred to be too merit is the present elteenslanees. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER snit the Offices of Jedge-Adeocate of Preotlatid and Ireland being abolished, the whole of the desire of those °den were thrown upon the Jodie A dveeate.G. areal. Mr. HUM E said, front the Report of the embetirsioners of 81 dila', Is/wiry, the allowances of this officer wet. stated at 1.3701. A charge took piece in URN; sod Why! Oa steeliest of the greet iscresee of the army; sod certainly the centismaace of the increase could not bare twin note*. plated In time or peace, when our military farce was so touch reduced. There could be hut little addition to the duties from the troops in Scotland 1 sad as for Ireland, three wee se Deputy-Advocate Geseral there. on whom the burden of tie business meet prittei pally re.t. On the whole, be con sidered the* a salary of 1,5001 • year, with • house to live in, was an ample salary; he 'Wild therefore stove, that ie. stead of 4.5101, the sum to be granted be 3.5801. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER explained. The SO LI CI TOR-11EN ERA L said this patent nice bed been on its present footing piece the Rerdlutioe, and the Stacy had nut been accessed fur a period or so years prior to the year 161014TIve Hon. Member for Aberdeen supposed that the duties of the office Were diminished by the peace but from the alteration win* took place in 1511, whew general regimental courts-martial were introduced, so far from' being reduced, the number of reports were increased I. the proportion of three to two. It wee daring Mr. Foes administration that It was thought proper to place this office on the footing ofone of the Judge of Ike Court of Elefs Beath. The Hon. Member (Mr. Hume) melded ant aware of the duties of this office I. time of peace. The proceedings of every general regimental Court martiel were transtnitted to the Judge Advocate G I, by whom they underwent • minute investigation, for that office was for the protection of officers of the army; for though it were martial law, it was administered scc u rding t o th e criminal law of ngland, and the sults of evidence. If three roles bad been violated, it was the duly of the Judge-Advocate General to prevent the sentence being carried into execution. He was also the legal adviser of the Contenanderis-Chief and the Secretary at War. The salary be considered not el ell dispopurtmeate to the duties of the office; but it should be known that when the Judge. Advocate General foe Ireland was abolished, it was at the epeeist iesisom of the Geatlemsn now holding the office that no increase of salary was made for the additional duties so throwa upon him. Hr. HUME said he knew not Where the Learned Gentle. mere got his information that this was • patent place, by which be wished it to be eadevetood it was one with which the House amid sot interfere. The Learned Gesileman said the same roles prevailed in Courts Martial as in Courts of Law, when in fact it was the complaint of every officer that the rates of evidence were not attended to. The Leveed Geed nen was, be believed, just es correct • night or two ago, when he alarmed that his Majesty bad so power to reverse the see levee of a Court-Martial, when it was a notorious fact that his Majesty did frequently interfere, nod where a simple mow bad been passed had dismissed the dicer. The SPEAKER said, as be had had the bow* to 11l the ogee sew ender the esisinderation of theComettetrie be wished to put them is possession of what his spieled was of the *Wee of that office. Had it bees • mere question of redoetio• of salary or remodelling the dicey he showid net have troubled the Committee with • since *aril ; Isut he was smarm* that the Committee should know that the import sem *delicacy of the duties were not reduced by the ehriege front war to peace. Those duties it noes impossible .hold he lightly dealt with. This olicerr had the right of private audience of the Soveselme, tool he would put it to the Com injure as long as the *sties existed, whether they could diminished by the question of peace or war. It one psi. fectly true, as the Hon. Member (Mr. Hume) bed Weird, that in 'meanies the strict roles of the law of evident, were not complied with as in Courts of Justice. it was obvious that this arose from the constitution of the Court (admirably fitted foe Its purpose), but not consisting of Lawyers. That point he bad considered of so greet importance, that he did, with the able assimmice which he then bad, at. ways asfil and examine to see not only that the of fence was proved, but that it was proved according to the strictest rules of evidence; and no the remelt, he toot upon himself to advise the Crown either to approve or disapprove the sentence. The importance to characters renskting the promulgation of any part of the proceedings till filially set tled • molter of great cessequenre, prevented him fro* Itieg with any one, and impressed bin with • Deese of the deep responsibility which be owed to indivsduals, that they might trove the benefit of every point of law. la the first two years after his •epointmest to the office, he had never been absent from Downing-street for Ere weeks, and be believed that be might confulengy say, %bet not a day had passed in which he was not in communication with the Come mender-its Chief, the Secretary at War, and the Secretary of State. If the office was to be maintained •t al!, it should be with that character sod dignity Siting for the individual who bad to hear so hero., a responsibility. Should OW Com mittee decide fur reducing the salary to 1,6001. • leer, he entreated them to come to that opinion ou some ether ground than that of the unimportance of the duties of the office. The flattery was then cleared fur a division. The urn• hers were— For the Motion. l4 Against it . 124 Majority for Ministers.... 106 On our return to the gallery, Lord PA LhtERATIr., pro posed that the sum of 6,716 f. be voted for the Methesl De partment- Mr. HUME thought the House should recollect the dif ferent sitastion in whicb the country was placed 114/W and in 1792. The Medical Boards had been increased, and in his opinion might .be diminished without any detriment to the public aervise. He was unwilling to be dividing the Cont ainer. bat he was satisied that an.reenuenical arrsugenient might be made by uniting the different Medical Bosnia antler one establishment, and reducing the number of desks. He threw this oat as a suggestion which be hoped would be acted upon on 'lettere occasion. Loud PALMERSTON said the duties of the Medical Ele.. parlament were of • aacut important desertption, and no one part of the military syrtein had been more improved attire 1199. - - The TOW wee &voted' to, aud •artous other iteruvwere thou proposed aud agmed to. Fur Hospital coutiogeoetose.l9,3so/. Fur Medicine, &c. i; Ireladd,f,oolif.; sad For the Volunteer Corps in Ireland, 61.3191. 194. ed. Lord PALMERSTON' theta proposed that the gum of 13,e621. Is. 7J. be voted totters, the expenses of the Muyal Military College, Mr. FIUME nkjected to the great expense al elk* Ilia establishment was kept up. There was a G . /senior, • Lieutenant-Gortrour, Maitre, Captains, ettkitsloittg. Ad. add he really could not see the aavervotty of *art) s eaurinous townie the education of ■ few young Men. One huhdrltd and Maly young wen had been windtlell slow the-pease, each of wheat cod the country 7901. a.yeer. &sites, he thought ".5 was eitrenttly improper to take in more yonug wen tits. cuald be provided for in the army. There were 29 Professors is etietwl them. The number was 31, bat two had berm reduced, and routs still remained for forests. ne duction. The Mom. Gentlet•an refereed in support of his argument to the Report of the Committee of Finance, which elated, " that alibiing% they fully eoneurreal an the r or mitosfitium the children of brave men whet had fall.D ut the service of their country, yet unite 'Amnia be atinantrd lots the Royal Military College that cuulJ not obtaiii coluotissioso, ~ifrrl -.1.. _ ~~~ I...isink r ,~. . +M it *as i pointed." It ro' • Lai i Ph, Herr) was at fact it was attar rapes, as to Ii brook doers Has , Dalt wastiaa tlye tit the itoethit: tory adatailau. it was to vaia terry cookie, Iteohif rtaesiary tioarti.• a tie and 'ileitis sirsala U ft were ofilobsod sal dust its Am.. encourage too Pity 4.1401,11 a is Falling,. Mr. F. PALM Might ihisk • bitsismit, it Cher it should There were so 290 boys. He IMMO( necessary. of ilw Deputy mei Private Fierretary Tbree were is ' sad it was the e e o tt e i b w r I W i e b b l i g i r i l ee :I i D . l l 1 that it was at w country would alai 'Abed PALM] leatiesitioa withjaatire s that promote the Mier inatermtly Waal* Mr. P. PALM of itiatteatiou, or the Depaty.l _ Mr. BENNET!' thought the number of boys admlollll9 might be reduced ooe.fuurth, and that lees as many as (4919 eominissioos. He was wdlint to addit the peopthillt of supporting a school for the edueation of the seas otfolli.brus who had fallen is the Ferric° of their mmotry. He i• differed as to the extent of it. Colonel WOOD said that the number always supported the College mime Bearer to the meo• of the Hon Grattan (Mr. Bennett) than probably he was aware. fur toot of t 290 boys is the College 110 paid for their obscatiou, at t 1 rate of 1251. a year. The Howe then divided !-- For tile Ameodsseat IA Against it Majority for Ministers 49 Lord PA LMERS TON said, he shook! sot proceedferlher l with the ell/Mare that evening. He should take the navy estimates on Friday, and if they were concluded, be should propose to go oa with t►e army estimates. The Home then 'mooted, and the Report was ordered to be received on "Forsday next. Mr. WI LMO T gave notice that cm Friday the *9th inst. he should move for lea►e to bring to a Bill to regulate the trade with Canada. The other Orders of the Day were thee dimmed of: and the Hoess adjoented at [ULF-PAST TWELvi: O'CLOCK. THE BRlnsu PRESS. •1 I ~;i . . 11 • 1 1 11 4 6- ire it tree Moe* to Menu. . pirated." 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L*l PALIIIIIRIthiIIt nett ibil ie. • ' ' . • ( /Ift./ Meow) was at Its* esittkvl is the 1114101 w, frellsi,,,.. . • I fact it was agar that be oh4eetwits owe not .4 . towels lie. 4 . repose aa to the spitem, bob Lis eridvet b 4 .... d i1 1... .. - break doves tie ortabllslitavat ifliollet 1 t *veld oolp waistiag Or lime of the Clansoditesi N win lfarilmr .. tit lie iwiellisity of keeping o p some sem .4or 04h. tarp adotottoo. tlitlesi thee Mere WA diet ' lidresier; it was la rata to es peet any greet militant sob ie . , , •••• i every ruithiry these colleges were supportellt, it wep treuttly meessiary them thistild be some MIIIIII Men of ii. t . .. iiircti.rs at the bead of the establirlisueot * +hirseter . and 'slew, would command respect faun students.' .: .• If it sire ottpos4 ow coustitintiwasl grow ,he might ' sat tbot to Aspirin, a Warne, of all wheel lilit4plis : i 1 encourage too ranch of a military Spiril, they i segri... ~ . tisty ricked, Si the peracipls 0( tie RuyAl it College i. Flatland, • Mr. F. PALMER said, that whatever the Woe . . WilitM think of the propriety of supporting as as este. • bltaksweat, it would be • quesion toe theoflo co late tyke- • • ( . they it should be s u pp or t e d at suc h as its meow he.-- There were no less than it persons employed lis adsirMe 190 boys. Ile did not erMaider the attendance Aram-. 'error neeesaary, and therefore either hie tterviee4 it ifs... A . 4 of the Deputy might be dispensed with ; there ws obis +bet . .. •- r . . Private Secretary of the Govettioi, who had giolkiug Cl *Mr- • ',... I Tb•re were in f ac t many re d oet i oor that might ite 640 e. . and it was the d u ly o f the Clotoatittee to Wth Waist upon eig. • Sir WM. DE CRESPIGNY said, If e*ee the re was tin t eitabliehmeat that should he reduced, it did appear I* lOra► that it was the Military' College. It was true the moos '• country would be hmall i but it sat by thee* small savirga ire e . country would obtain relief. tf• Lord PALMERSTON said it was quite unjust to matte rtioa to the Governor, for be believed he stir • with justice, that be devoted all his great nttlitary.tal. . • promote the helmets of the College, mid that it tiod 1 A maternally beurAted by his anions asherstiou. Mr. P. PALMER did not Winn to accuse the Got *her of Matteatiou, but he thought the setevidaree of either ilk or the Depaty.Guvesuor might be Aispeosed with. Mr. BENNETT thought the number of boys admlllighi might be reduced one-fourth, and Mat Isis as many as cdoll• ',Maio coassaissioas. Ile was willing to auldit the p#44,1111# = A LONDON. THURSDAY, Kiwi V. lllita. Mr. Cuttwxu brought forward his promised ono tioa yesterday evening in the House of Comarioils, relative to the expediency of imposing an addition.' duty upon the importation of foreign tallow, clict•se, and butter. The object contemplated by Mr. Cuawxs was an increase in the prices ssf articles of domestic produce, and u conseqnent assistunce to the agricultural interests of the coun try. In submitting such a motion to Parliament, Mr. Cuawsw seems to have forgotten the good sense and just principles which have usually go verned his conduct. lie not only warred against every ordinary maxim of politicul science, hut seemed to have nrglecicd the consideration of how far his scheme was practicable for the purposes which be particularly contemplated. But it is un necessity now to quarrel with the measure, for hip. ply the House of Commons rejected the &nation without even the compliment of a division. Mr. P. lioantsou gave notice that it w a s hi, tention, on Friday ve'uoight, to move for a Coin. mittee of the whole Hesse to lake into consistent. Lion the trade of the Colonies. The Right Hon. Gentleman did not intimate the precise nature of the proposition which he shoulltsulimitt to the Corp. mittee, but we presume that it wilt relate radii. stint), to the metsure which- we noticed. some time since, for Opening a direct tra4 &tweed flritish West lodio Islands cud the e c th ! ltiept of . Stmenca. The Coluntitfee ocrorei g n 'Nide hay !ltd..** sub. jeet under consid'eration, and the revolt of #lleiV quitiec is'a reiolution that a Hill distely introdneed into the liaise of ertliitiWila to Chia effect: Tills suisikcf, we are totionicil by 3lre W r.st or. had alio occupied' the ratite/1r siterithart of the Governineot, ant) iodeerl.att ore wilrownitred tharthe Ministers had mire to t4si emlelesicit wHich.we have now refeertiri oirree' tittle pre . e!tiiks'ile the adoption or the resallition dj tlla C.:mummer, Thitinfoligocee we ComMonipalk 4 to oye render" aslong; tine. at die 19tt►•of hot . mouth; and al. though Mr. Wit.noT of &hilt ties* unrierthele, with le deb e@paivette confidence. ei etratiedict• or Pat. liament the truth of out stittitsmi n isit, MIAs: we de evotaow hesitattotirnfitni.ttfaf:ii was iti•spieit , sad'ireablistauce ementiallliScorki: Mr. Itostwiteli gave ti4i!le4 ttiit afar da l ?, he.leeld submit a motion fie tier rt041..0f the oindow'and.lionsur tam. That the Onridbeitait ope. rates very Mitstionsty. and; oriveiropest sif its ine. quality. very. unjestly. estir vrell•br afißoßtti uulortarratlely there are rteitertiltide tindleto a similar reproseit may be applied. curl merited this censure were to be repeeied. where Cts? k..- •4J l ie 1 a~ ,, 1 ~~ 4 , I . ' 1 ', t