The Sun. — London, England, 1807-02-28 00:00:00

1 I I Mr. WM. IllYiVNE . said that there was a great difference beNteen popular .clamour and public 'opi nion. His mind was made up -on the subject; he wished no furt her evidence. He thought the evi dence of Carolina acid the Barbadoes Assemby more than sufficient. Mr. HUGHAN spoke from local knoWledge.— He had been ten years a resident in one of the largest of the West.lndia Islands, and maintained, from his own personal experience, that all the sto riesof cruelty to the Negroes were idle tales, whol ly unfounded or grossly exaggerated. The Honour ble Gentleman then recapitulated the different argu ments already urged against the, Bill. He dwelt much upon the incurable slavery of Africa. - Mr. Park had stated the proportion of slaves to freemen as. 1 to. _3 but it appeared that when the King of Bambarra took 900. prisoners, there were found .among them but 70 freemen. Mr. BROW NE followed on' the same side. He thought ,the Slave Trade a political evil, but an un avoidable one, interwoven with the interests and prosperity of Great Britain. He argued on the in adequacy of the Bill unless all the other Powers con curred in the abolition; as Great. Britain shared. but one fifth of the trade • and insisted upon the ruin of the Colonies by the failure of the continued supply Of Negroes necessary to their cultivation. Mr. BARHAM,. from his own experience, was not U'arranted in supposing that the Negro population could be kept up in the Colonies. He had not, on his plantation, neglected any• means that humanity or prudence could suggest to keep up his stock, to Which be had determined for years back, not to add• a single newly purchased slave, and yet he - had n o t been able to succeed. IV any - means could be de vised fOr so desirable an end, he would be very hap• py to make the experiment ; but he much feared that none such was likely to offer. Still he was • determined; upon the principles of humanity, to sup pm the Abolition , --regretting merely that it h'ad so long continued—but deprecating any reproach on the Merchants and Planters concerned in it. For of any guilt that attached to this trade they were at most but partners with the Parliament which tole rated it, and the country which profited so much f r i orn it. These Planters, therefore, ought not now, in his opinion, to be dismissed with censure, or without that fair and honourable compensation to Which they were entitled. • Mr. COURTENAY spoke in favour of the Aboli tion, and eulogized, in glowing terms,.those distin • guished per Sons who had so long struggled for its attainment. Sir RAIiIrMILBANKE and Mr. MONTAGUE spoke • -on the 'same side. Mr. BAT4URST was for a' Gradual Abolition, and questioned the practicability of an immediate Abo lition. A Member, whose - name we could not learn; con- , ' tended that:the Abolition itself would furnish ample .compensation to-the Planters; as it must naturally tend to enhance-the value of their present Negroes end Plantations, while he argued that a . Continuance of this traffic -would, by operating to increase the mans of cultivation, 'serve to extmd the produce, • which was already superabundant, and thus lead to the ruin of the Planters more immediately a n d effectively than C ou ld, b y any calculation, be appre 4ended from an immediate abolition. Amidst a loud cry of question !' question !. Mr. IFINDH4M rose, and said, that from the lateness of the hoifir and the eagerness which •the House very naturally felt to go into the Committee, he should 'reserve the , •sentiments which he -enter tained upon this important subject, for another stage 'of this Bill., Differing, as he did upon this question, from many of those whom he most respected and es:Cemed, he was naturally, desirous-for an opportu nity of stating the grounds which appeared to his Mind to justify this difference. With all the rever ence which he felt for the principles of justice and humanity, still he confessed that he had not courage to come to the decision which the advocates . of this measure proposed ; contemplating, as he did, the effects which its adoption threatened to produce ; apprehending from if ; and 'at no very distant period too, no - less than the ruin of the country. He most fervently wished that these apprehensions would prove to be unfounded ; but yet they had made such an impression on his mind, that considering the tfeceasity for the passing of this Bill was not on the score of morality so overruling as to leave no Option, he could fiot,forbear, consistently .with his sense of duty, to. resist it. As. those Gentlemen who sup ported the Bill were anxious to wash their hands of the guilt which appeared to them to attach to the tiaffie it proposed to abolish, so he was equally anxious to. wash his hands of the consequences which that abolition in his judgment threatened - to produce. Mr. IP MTBR.EAD rose about one o'clock, and in one of the moat, interesting, argumentative, and impressive speeelTs .we have heard Upon the sub kat, entered : fully into ita.merits.• He began by ex pressht his astonishment and regret; considering the Mind and feelings, of his ,Right Hon.. Friend wh had just sat doWn, that he should be found 'to abandon the' sentiments which he originally held and's° ably' maintained upon this question —a sen timent indeed which was grounded npon conviaion, so strong, that he once stated the justice and ne cessity which called for the Abolition Of th is o dio us traffic- to be p er f e a 'IY for. After hearing his Right or any man, so directly con tradia that opinion, he could not refrain from rising adherence to the ()Pinion to express 'his decided - which be had before declared upon this important topic. As to' thOse who . expres se d a wish for Gra dual' Abolition, he could not help considering them as any other than Anti-Abolitionists ; for they held, the same language several . years ago.; and in point ofifaa, according to their mode of reasoning, the time for immediate Abolition would never come.* Eat the Most singular arguments of the opponents of this measure, who pleaded for a Gradual Aboli tion, proceeded from those who maintained-that the pppulation could nOt at all 'be - kept up in the Co, lollies, and still they. told the HOuse to wait until means could he found to keep up that population, acid then they would_ not object to the .Abolition'. With regard to the , assertion, that language had been - u-ed wtieh served only to excite the passions, h e should . loniy observe, that his sutri , e. was to find the debate so cool. What ! 'that the friends of this , Thu should b 7! engaged in a caieulat ion between .Eng-, and ~ Atistcan blood ; that they shOuttl be , . • .•7' :t : no profit TOTill--tirdcrWed-frOrn .. . is thAn r)bbory „and near- der; and that is order to persuade the trilitli , Par-, liament to give up the pursuit, it should be necessary to shew that no pecuniary loss. could arise-to the country ! The idea was degrading, as intolerable ; but still the proof had been given, and long since too by. Mr. Pitt : and after all this, the trade was persisted in. With regard to the assertion of one of the adversaries,Of this Bill, that one English labourer did more work than ten Negroes, he conceived:that a strong argument in favour of the measure. For what did it prove ? Why, that all the influence of arbitrary power, coercion, and torture, .could not extort from a slave one-tenth .as. much labour, as could be voluntarily obtained f r o m o ne -f reeman .— The Honourable Member, after deprecating the idea of arguing this question merely upon the grounds of policy and expediency, concluded with declaring . his decided opposition to the principle of compen sation in the first instance ; for if the door were., opened to such a principle, it was impossible to cal culate to what it would lead—perhaps to an extent Which the English Treasury would be Insufticitmt to satisfy. He could not conceive any, principle of compensation the Planters could now assert, unless that of a claim for prospective profits ; and where could such a claim terminate ? If a case of critical loss should hereafter be made. out, it Would then be time enough for the House to con sider it. Mr. FULLER opposed the Bill ; and Mr. HER BERT, of Kerry, supported it: Lord Howtcx stated, that at that hour he would not enter fully into his reply but should re serve himself for the period when his Right -Ho nourable Friend (Mr. Windham) should deliver hi 3 sentiments at large upon the subject. At present he would merely move that the Speaker should leave the Chair, the Blanks be filled up, and the Amend ments introduced pro forma. • . • These. Motions were- accordingly put and carried, the H ouse 'resumed, the R e p ort was rece i ve d , an d ordered to be re -committed on Wednesday next, it being understood that there will be no objection to the Speaker's leaving the Chair on that occasion. Adjourned to Monday. MAILS. Aitatvzp—z Gibraltar and Malta, t Dublin, t Waterford. Dus—; Gottenburgh, t Lisbon, t Dublin, t Waterford. PRICE OF STOCKS TDIS DAY AT TWELVE O'CLOCK. Consols THE SUN. lIOLLM QUIS DICIRE I.A;itIM AUDEIL7I? 2, D 0 N, SATURDAY, FEBRUARY 28, 1607. Tn E Cornwallis Packet has arrived at Falmouth with the Mails from Malta and Gibraltar. Lord CowNoWoou's Fleet before Cadiz, were all well, and iu expeetation that the Combined Fleet would venture out; but we fear that .that expeaation will be disappointed. The Packet sailed from Gibraltar itt company with the ,lia/cyon Sloop .of War, 'and about ict MerchaniMen,:Under her Convoy for Eng land. . • WE yesterday stated the terms upon which the Loan for the service of the year is to be Cont6oed for, but we were prevented, by the lateness of the. hour at which the Meeting took place between Lord GRENVILLE and the Gentlemen who wished to cOn tra&for the Loan, 'from detailing. the substance of the conversation, which took plaCe. The awount of the Loan is to be, for Great Britain, 12,000,0001. and .a Supplementary Loan of 200 4 0001. ; and for Ire land 2,0c0,0001. His Lordship also informed the Gen-, tlemen that a further Loanof i,504,0001. would be re= q 4ired for the Service oflreland,which it was proposed to raise in England, and to make the Interest payable at the Bank of England, and also that Government ,. reserve to itself the,Option of a Vote of Credit for Three Millions, to be raised by Exchequer Bills.— One of the Gentlemen who attended asked Lord GkEwv-tit.z whether it was intended to pay off any part of the Loyalty Loan this year ? His Lordship re- . : plied it was intended to pay Off 800,0001. this year., The Contraors then wished to obtain some in formation upon the, subjeit of Subsidies ; but Lord GRENVILLE said that Government could not pledge itself upon that subje&, but must be left at liberty to a& according to Circumstances. The Parties who attended were, Messrs. Gotnsm ID and Co. Messrs. BARNES, RICARDO, and CO. Messrs. BARING, arid Co. Messrs. ROBARTS, CURTIS, and Co. YESTERDAY afternoon a Gottenturgh Mail ar— rived i it-contain s not hi ng but a confirmation of the intelligence which reached this Country several days ago, of the investment of Stralsund by the French. THEIR MAJESTIES did not stir out of Windsor Castle yesterday, owing to the coldness of the Weather. • Yesterday the 11 INCESSES, accompanied by the Dtrkc of CU:',.IBERLAND, with their usual attendants, rode out for about two hours. • .Lieuterant-Geheral SIMON FRASER goes out as Commander in Chief, with a Star}, to Nova Scotia, in place of General GARDINER, deceased. , - tHE ORATORIO.- ThiS Entertainment is so ably brought forward at Covent Garden Theatre; that it . inereqes every night iri attraaion. The Seleaion of last night was admirable. BRA'II,AM was most warm ly applauded Conte if ye Dai-e,". and in " Gentle "firs ;," in the latter of which he was most delight fully accompanied by. Ms, C: ASIILEY the ". The- Battle Naida," was,' as ilium], -;-verrsuccessful. The ChorusEes, were full, corre6l, and itnpr;..ssive. - - NAVA ,L NEW S. C1 . 1_7 TH , FEB. 7.5.- . ---Arrived this day the Corn de et, ANT.nOtiv . , with Mails.from Gibraltar, nilta,- and ilessina, - 13 days.passage from Gibraltar; sailed from thence in company with His Majesty's Ship Halcyon, of 18 guns, Capt. PrARcE; having under her convoy about 100 sail for England." The Squadron Off Cadiz were all well,, and in hourly ek - pedation. of the Spanish Fleet coming out. A Mes senger came with Dispatches froM Sicily, end Went off for London immediately on his arrival. His Ma- J ests• y' Ships Pomp, Intrepid,' Swiftsu re , w ith the . Kingfisher .and Bittern Slobps of War, were lying., at Palermo; ,and.at Malta, His Majesty's Ships.,Se . - . rapis, Aurora, Ambuscade, Amphion, and Spider. The-Princess Augusta Packet left G bra hat; I for , Malta, -with Mails on the 3d of February. , Also arrived here the Pickle- Schoonqr from a Cruize ; and the Betsey hired Cutter from Plymouth. Sailed the: Eliza, HUGHES, for London, 'With fruit from St. Michael's. The Brisk Sloop' of War, with a few Transports under convoy for Cork, and Which sailed a few days since, put back this day by contrary wind., PLYMOUTH, FEB. Hover and Scorpion Sloops of War on a cruize to the West ward. Arrived the Ranger Revenue Cutter from the Ri ver : she was &heti out of the Downs in thee-late severe gale, - with the loss of an anchor and cable. PORTSMOUTH, FEB..27.—Arrived the Speedy Sloop of War from a cruize. The West India Convoy are postponed from, sail ing for five`or six days, on account of a;great part of the Fleet having not yet been able to proVide themselves with anchors and cables, several ofwbiely , . from the unprecedented deinand, have been.obliged to get supplied from London - . The Dock-yard rope. makers, after leaving the Yard, have been employed at all the private rope-;walks; so that not a moment• is lost, either day Or night, to get the Fleet ready to sail. The Brig, sttstrurd, of Sunderland, from thence to this Port, with -coals, sprung.: a leak •on the igth instant, had all her boats washed away by the.lee, and having the water above the middle deck, the Master and one rrian were saved by His Majesty's Ship Defence, which was at the time so near to the lee-shore that they could 'render no farther assistance to the CreW ; a Sloop shortly after bore down to the assistance...of the Brig, but cannot -tell"Whetlfer she saved the s reinainder of the Crew. • • , HARWICH, FEB. 27.—The Escort Gun-brig ar- , rived yesterday, and the Constant sailed on a Cruize. Early this morning the Earl of Leicester Packet, Capt. TnomrsON, arrived with a Mail from Gotien burgli., The'outward-bound Packets, with the Mails on board of the . 24th, are detained' by a strong North east wind. Rernai D the. Bonetta Sloop of War, with the Ag gressor and Escort Gun-brigs, and Badger Excise Cutter: DEAL, IyEn. 27.--Arrived, the Elelra .Sloop of War from Leiih Came down from . the River the .Russian Ship 13e4sey, WH'EATLY„ for America Little :James, for Malta ;. Stork, DONALD, for Demerara ; .Grenvilte' Bay, MANN, for Grenada ; and several other outward-bound Ships. Sailed through, the Downs the Rackers, SoPER, fOr' St. DOrningo... The Deziastatlon Bomb has a . Signal flying, and is preparing to sail 'With the i outward-bound V esse l s for Portsmonth; • Poot.E, FEB. 27.,--A Convoy for Lisbon passed by yesterday, which tvas joined by the Vessels bound thither from thi4 Port. The Harlequin Armed Ship, is put in ;ere; having Ina with cnnsiderahle damage in the late gales, . SHEERNESS, FEB. 27.—Sailed His Majesty's Ship Princess Royal, Capt. REYNOLIS, for Chatham, to' be paid off and laid up. Arrived .the Danniliss Praam from the Downs, having sustained some damage in the late gale. Letters .from our Fleet in the Dardanelles, state' the following partieulars of the' state of affairs in December, in Turkey :-The Canopus, 84, Rear Admiral touts, the Encly . mion, .44; and another Frigate, are stationed direalropposite the Grand Signior's Seraglio or, Palace. The Thunderer, 74, and Standard, 64, - and two Frigates, are anchored to command the , pas'sage of the Dardanelles. A few days before these letters came awak, a Russian Frigate, from the Mediterranean, ,passed the Dardanelles, without molestation from the Turkish' batteries. But SEBASTIANI, the French intriguing Ambassador from France to the Ottoman Porte, made.a violent remonstranceat this Frigate passing the Dardanelles, but could, get no redress ; as Our. Envoy, Mr.:Annunisor, gave in a representation of the business, and placed it in a proper point of view, to the satisfaCion of the Turkish 'Government. There are 20 Saul Lille' and Riptes. in the Arsenal, but not above five of them half mnned., Our Ships arc all. in high order and• diScipline, The Turks treat our people with the greatest Civility and' attention. Betresbnient3 of all kinds are sent on' board our Men of 'War. Our gallant .Admiral and his, Officers, and the :Captains and Officers •of the other British Men of War, frequently dine on shore sliith AIMIJMINOT, DUBLIN, 'FEB. 24, , . •.• a On Tuesday 4 tneetipg of the . was held. at the Rotunda, the of FINGAL iii the Chair. His Lo I) cotruiltllr.c-f bk.accig ainting the Meeting that tie nnswer from Government, relative to .t - 1 receiVed, and that they had hi infort.-nn Ministry was of opinion, that ai the present jun&ure, 1)(.t .;. - ;;tr!ous the Catholics themselves, buL to the 4:i;tnpire. large, That Government. had already determitted cause 'a - stria execution of the LaWs en,taccl your of the Catholics, and to lay coinpletely opc:n to, them bath the, rank and emoluments inc . ident to the: Army and Navy; but that, 'at,:the'same tirno, Administration wished not ihat.it,should - be a coin promise entered into by Governthent with the C. tildes of Ireltind." .!T :u re This communication appears to hoe been, fol 'lOived by a motion to present the Petition .notwilh standing this discouragement : a deterrainiiii.):l which Lord FREN -wished to postpone until sense of the Roman Catholic Gentry in the distant Counties should be ascertained but this -was over= ruled by the majority, and the PetitiOn imanimotisly adopted and ordered to be laid before. Parliament. FROM THE AMERICAN PA.PERS% • NEW - 7 YO RK; JAN. i2-Last night the Brig 77thtii - MAICDONALD j -arrived from New.chleans ; she s'ailed the gth.of December, with_ dispatches fronl Gent—al WiC.KINSON. 13nRit.1.1. 1 .S to. be, at .iSratchez on . the 2.oth,Decerliber,. with ‘2OOO men,' and 4opc) ttickians were toimn:edi:uely: his objc : !fa • the subhigation of MeXico, and the separation of the Western from Abe' Eastern States. General W 7 l:. KINSON Was making every , preparation to def en d City; every seaerlan in port would be put in reciut JAN. 1 y the arrival yesterday of the schbon et Amelia, Capt., BROOK.S, from Nev OrleanQ, we received the papers of•that city to the ult. In consequence of a previous invitation from his Excel lepcy . the :Governer, : the Merchants of that place had assembled. at Government-house, for the purpose of consulting, with . him. His Excellency explained to the. Gentlemen theobiect - of•the ry. preparations making there, which are in defence of, a prer.nedhated attack on the Territory, by a tor ; midable party of men assembling on the Ohio; head ed and led on by some of the first characters in the ti n i on . He ipfigmed them, that the principal ob leo of rallim: them together, was to deliberate on the best,plan of procpring, for the public service a number of seamen, sufficient to man the gun-boats; and other crafts, intended to be arme.d. Thathe con tejved an appeal to the Merchants themselves would, at this hour of danger, be preferable to any impfess meat ; and he was persuaded they would display their patriotism, : by adopting the best and Most mediate measures, toenable Commodore SHAW to procure the handS necessary.. ,' _ . C •-.After Governor LA.I?3ORNE concluded his obser . vations,' , General WILKINSON ' , who attended the Meeting, informed the Gentlemen of the nature of the plot, and 'the manner it had been 'disclosed to him. He expatiated on the want of authority to execute to their extent his views and measures. He particularly related the object of the invaders to be the reduction of that place, iii order,, with the. booty they:Might find in it, to make an attempt on Melli co; and if they succeeded, to sever , the 'WeSteka States from the Union ; that the attack was to. be • made by land as well as .by sea; and concluded bp-denouncing the leader, AAJ(ON &raiz,' and pledged'his own life in our defence: The Governor and General having retired, the Meeting proceeded to deliberate on the best plan to co-operate with vernment, when it was unanimously agreed that an embargo ought to take place, Which has since taken place. • •• It was Stated at . New-Orleans, when the Zmelid sailed, that the'adherents of BURR amounted to 7606 men; andit was believed that'his *force toopia consider ably exceed that number.. The attack, it was ex pected, would be made between the 20th and 30th December. The two gun boats had proceeded ul the river, as far as Iberville; and wer e to ascend 28 high as Point-Coupee, and two bomb-ketches were also ready to follow them. Conimedore S'IIAW bad purchased the schooner • Ranger, of Baltimore, mounting 16 guns, for the service of:Government: General WILKINsoN had given orders to have all, the forts repaired, the'city picketed in, and put in complete state of defence. In addition to the above particulars we learn, that several persons have been arrested in the city of New °Cleans among them was a D r . B OLLMAN, and Messrs. OGDEN and SWARTWOUT,-Dr. BOLLMAN has been brought to this place, in the Schooner Amelia, as a. State Prisoner, under the charge of Lieutenant WasoN, and a guard. of . soldiers ; • he was yesterday landed and left in the safe 'keeping of the Commandant at Fort Johnston.. Dr. BOLLNIA& was one of those, whonttempted to release the Mai:- quis DE LA FAYZTTE from Magdeburgh. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES. WASHINGTON, JAN. 7.---The Slave Bill occupied the principal attention of the House the whole day. On - the amendment, which sas offered to prevent persons brought in contrary to the provisions of the Bill being sold as slaves, tlie ayes and hoes were (So each ; th 6 Speaker decided against the arnencithenL Names of the AfemberS of the Coort-Martial ap pointed to try Sir HOME POPHAM : • Admiral W, Young, Presidmil . Vlce-Admiral Sir E. Gower, Vice. Admiral 1.1 - lolloway, Vice: Aclini ral B. Row ley, Vice-Admiral. E. ,Stanhope, I<ear-Ad m i ra l I . Rear-Admiral Sir 1. Coffin, Rear-Admiral Sir R. St - radian. Captains . - Flargort,' S. M. Scott, 1. Irv;n, and C. Boyle. On .'Thursday evening an inquisition , 'vas taken before Q.Honosoil, Esq:Coroner,'at theWhite . Hart i Leather-lane,: on the body of Martha toye, who wag found with her throat cut;.. at her house in Leather lane, on Wednesday morning. From the Moltiplicity,, of evidence, the'examination cc.)fitinued till six in.the Morning, when the .Jury determined that she had put an end to her lite,„with_ her—Own- hand ; brought in a verdietof ineanily.