The Sun. — London, England, 1813-02-19 00:00:00

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Ordered to he on milar effect was presented by the Npotl, from the Archtleaconry of nresented a Petition front Burn- Lord Viscount Melville, from , against the renewal of the East India niont4poly.—Ordered 'to' lie on. the AMERICAN WAR. the Day for summoning their_ ilk into' consideration the Papers Rouse upon this subject, being 'l4sT rose and said, he timid not, occasion, trouble their Lordships led • , vie‘s of the fitthieet to which referred, or touch upon any of the :s of the Negociations ; but eon those on winch was founded' the 4 • 1 4 have the honoor of proposing and which was so framed, as, Jahtmeet the unanimous sanction of There was d isposition,- he oh part o f his Majesty's Governtnent, - inquiry with respect to any part subject. Within the interval to 11 more particularly call the fatten- Jose, it wOnld .ineontrovet•tibly ap- PaPers, there wits an endeavour on he (jolted. Stites to provoke the .nient-to some act of hostinty.— weeks afteethe period! to hich h ‘oluti on Was taken to repeal w the Or e ii.. If that ute*.itirc were fit t..) he Ls also right we Should reap the full ;1 1 a conceskion, tool in that view. :curdingly dispatched to INIr. tto he int crVa t the United States r declare sear against l°tcoima ;tied by au immediate • "" •• .sion of t,d teu the 611Wo ii f an ar c*?"'the ern on on stice Statc:•,, ti :der circumstances r" . , Tras the first apparent result of concession. The Noble. Secretary a. adverting to the steps taken for !- two great rivers on the Eastern ica, described the distinction he ady de facto, and one by natiflea ;sols•ing onthis Ftep, they had. ,to .tune of the l'elations bet wren these !cted by such a measure, and this , he mo n th ot August the exporta „Q,lii p . e . parts were to the extent of fine ntil tilnrl That was a consi kr,st • vet4t,.„ sermitcly to h e atten d ed to. The ti"!'''':tteclaratl ou Of \val. was at' a period \reit have acted with great advantage West India fleet, licit the prompt ititc c'ijitetY adopted' for their preserva— itisli Commanders in that. ('peter, eof the miscarriage ot the .expedi-• CoMmodore Rodgers. The Noble vetted' to the,. propositions indde on Err. Monvie, and the other American Ls well as thoie made 'on the part of throligh the medium of Sir John ITeel ; the 'ititereonrse on which. oc-:, 'l the injustice and aggressions of the ,vernment ; when' they:had the Ora neil no longer as a pretext, they a uspensioit ot our rights to 'reclaim tissue BritiSh who had un into the service of the United States, in the result, we were in effect called 'doh tiltoecil t er, '1.11 3 Lordship 411\reit Tee and effect upon this part of his right in queAitri Ams distinct and ittd im'olved the vitA interuts of the had been unittorinly 'exereked; not and, but by other countries in shad uces. They - were also allowed by These rights they were, in fact,' abandon ; rights not only necessary ititne power and interests of Great eventually, as. might b i e proved, for ;erica he rse lf ! H e then adverted, in ; he former forbearance of this country , , zed the Americ ans to this nio , t flit dit . rt gerouts . practice ; t o th e l ea di ng of the atTatr of the - Chesapeake, the of which, awl those proceedings ; frequent! pato ted t) eaMinn u.•' 0,, - Pirit by w hY l P C * 4 - • , „ LiAtca the American ( tor eminent ri nd aLrttroughout the whole of the trans-dsVelt 'upon the r4:l - leafed rintet, 4:_Attierican Officers; that the British l e, fa et al ." 0 411 ( 1 ,ed, were oil board their vessel.-- 1.9 a Brithh seaman beitor c rried ntate of intoxietitio;i, li%ar a df the ' ;:ttue trestuie'vnirin""..t.crNY;lrds experienced a top st se pritt N I to th e C"sefttiente of, his 'attempt to td),„ sePv ice of 11 ., • . 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The pretext of implied citizenship: as urged by the American nef,Yociatori, WWI the next topic edverted to by the Noble Secretary ; a character so easily assumed by and allowed to any individual, when any British-born subject may appear before a ma gistrate of 'the United States, and upon the allega • tion of two persons, may obtain letters of citizen ship. Between site) persons and :the ne,tives of the United States was said no,dillerenee'would be made. This proposition was highly reprobated' by his Lordship, and it was the leading point in the Address which he was about to propose, to which their Lorships would be called upon.to say whether or not they approved of the conduct of his Majesty's Government in. rejecting so unjtisti liable, so dangerous a proposition He trusted that right woold never be abandoned, at least un til an substitute could he l'tnid. Upon drat point, he trusted, no difference of opinion would exist in that House, vrhatever there may wall respect to minor considerations. If any NOI6 Lord thought. that the British Govern inent ought to agree to such a psoposition, he could not consistently vote for the Address he should have the lidriour to propose. If any Noble Lord held the r4ghtin questioo of vital im portance, and that it should not be relinquished by Great Britain, he certainly would support the Ad dress. Ile trusted.the'llouse would prove to the World, that it was not so-base as to barter the.na tional honour for advantages of trade,, , or to sa crificetheindeperidence of Cow:l'y for commer= chi aggrandisement. He trusted their Lordships would prove they were not so broken, so sundered by political divisioas,'as not .to go hand in hand to the 'Throne, with an Address founded on the opposite principle of national honotir and inde pendence. l'he.Noble Earl then moved an Ad dress tci hiti Royal Highness' the Prince Regent, express i e oft me sentiments inculcated in the. coo rse of hisspeech, and the sense of their Lordships, that his Majesty's Government conlanot assent to the proposition& of that of the United States, without surrendering soul e of the most ancieni and important right~ of the British, nation, and that impressed with such sentiments, they would :ieftionsly and cordiaily support his Royal Highness in every thing 'that may he necessary for prosecuting the war with vigour to a safe and honourable eon elusion. • On the question, The. Marquis of LittISDOvi;NE rose to express his satisfaction, at the Address being so framed, that those wbo may have differed upon fOriiter part; of the policy of hit Maiesiy's laovCronient, with re spect to the United States of America, did not now feel it neeeSsary to withhold that acquiesence to it; which he for one, was anxious to give. He admitted it .wmis not necessary, for the purpose of deCiding 'Too the present question,' to advert to any of the preceding considerations, as alladed to by theNoble.Earl. The present proposition con filed itself to the consideration, whether it was reasonable or not to expect from the American Government; upon the repeal of the Orders in Comicil, a cerrespOndent disposition . in the Go vernment of the"UOited States to feel anti allow for the extent of the sacrifice. fie thought it was fairly to e be expected; that upon their. knowledge of that concession, the American Gdvernment wOulti have recurred to that state, in which,.with ntiew to the circomitallees, the existing difference could be but and most successfully adjusted. With respect to the qnestion of the hnpressment of seamen, he did not conceive it so much a dis pute upon principle, as to refer to points of ahuse . incidental to the exercise of that right. It was a (itiation that unavoidably involved Much of feel 7 ing and of prejudice, and he trutited the Noble Earl would not expect his:vOte so much upon the questioo involving the right, as upon One involv. jog the circumstances attending it.' Re observed with much satisfaction, in the Correspondence of the Noble Secretary' of State,. and with still More in the declaration issued on the part.of his Ma jesty, a diSposition manifeSted to enter intodis euiSions upon the point, and to'listen to any pro:. position on the part of the Atrierican Government. He lamented that part of the conduct of the baited Statestifforde&grouild for the'' mputatiOn of a hostile disposition "towards this Country : he was also of opinion, that, if the Orders in Council Were recalled at any' earlier period, the War they were now involved in with 'America Would never have taken place, and of which he thought a stronger proof could not he afforded than the course of the transactions as they appeared hi the Papers, "as at an 'earlier' period it would have been impossible to excite the people olAmerica against this country, as it had since been, and Oh the Very groithd of these Orders in Council. The great in;, fluemice of iblic opinion upon such a Government as that of the United States should be consi dered. Adverting to the reciprocal and connect ed interests of both countries, he thou lit the wisest and best policy of the 'British Covt'rffinent would be a systernito conciliate the good opinimi ,and 'tiven the prejndiee, of not only the people, but the Government Of time United States. As things were, and • in the state of 'war in' width' tlds ti.y was placed; he knew and felt there was no other resource but in a vigorous and effeetnal pro- Seention" of it. (Hear, 114:44r !) —He had bow e%.'er to rt gret,. there were circumstances attend; , 'inn the cGtiduct of this unfottunate War whiell Went to alzg•ravitte its evil ;=---there wa; vho'ur acid eN,ertion which he could mit hot re- Prebetiti,--the powerful and 6ki e nsiyie n i ca ns pos. sessed . by his Al ik iety's Government should be considered, inure espueially when the whole lite tit and resources of the enemy lay open to their ope ration. 'This country possessed a navy, .ivrought to the highest pitch of power, which was rated, in a great measure, for the purpose of fresh operations, capnble'at the least of overwhelming the small stlur l o s of the !United States. The preseaited itself of teaching an infe rior, enemy at one the disadvantages of that si- Nation in whieli she had placed herself. But these eere considerations, which he knew were not eonnected V. - ith the present question, hut they irlll ho made the subject of distinct discussion.— . Ile agreed entirely with the Noble Secretary of Sou! in his leading proposition, and saving the principles to which belied referred, he saw no thing to kuculpate his Majesty's Ministers as , to the present question, Or to induce him to refuse his assent to the Address' proposed by tl.e Noble Earl, He hoped and trusted, however, that no practicable method would be lost sight : of, to con ciliate the Lluited States, without prejudice, at the same time; to the naval rights and paraniount interests of the country. Lord Visarairet,numte rose merely in consequence of ichrit had fallen from the Noble Marquis, upon Utopia more peculiarly interesting to one in his official situation. By what he un derstood from the Noble Lord', he must have meant that such a force should he stationed on the coast of America, as at once would over whelm and put down for evermore the whole Anierican navy ; and. not only flint, but, as he conceived him, to destioy also that species of force which was the more likely to ernray the Ma trade of this country. With respect to the particular case, it had 'been for sonic time past the practice to keep a naval force in that quarter. fit to hold in check that of the enemy, until a force more adequate to the Tiurpose,s of offenslve opeetrtions could he sent, should the conduct of that power have rendered it necessary. The sub ject; however, was One of:detail; And he was pre. pared' to shew the Noble Marquis; that at the very breaking out of the war, such an amount of force was Stationed in that Line:ter, as-in the opi nion of tispecteble persons -was amply sufficient for the purpose be .had stated. This the Coins matiders on that station had direction to use for . a vigarons proiecutioe of hottilies, should the conduct of the enemy wai's:lt them,. and meas sures were promptly taken adequetely to reinforce their Siptadeons. The principle that such a force shoald be midetained off the ports of the enemy, as.tet preclude any danger therefrom,' but also to provide for the security of the maritime treacle of. the country, as in fact to render it a matter of 'ex treme difficulty, if not impossibility, to annoy it. The subject, he repeated, was one purely of de tail, which mild not now be entered into,' and' he ~would challenge the Noble Niartiais, or any other Ntible Lord, to slieW thet every practicable exertion was not promptly. made to augment and render thoroughly efficacious our naval force on the American station, consistently with the jests of the service in other quarters of equal,' or even, in some points of view, of greater import ance. Till a proper opportanity .should' errive, he must be excused from going more detail ; and which he would gladly do,' Should any Noble Lord be disposed to take up the question in that way. The Marquis Wmer.sx.ey concurred with the Noble Secretary of State, as to the great leading points of the present question. First, est° its jes tiee ; Secondly, .As to the importance of the ob jects in Issue; Thirdly, As to the anxious wish that his 11001 Highness should be supported in, the, prosecution of the war with- a vigour and of.; feetroportionete to the justice' of his cause p and, fourthly, That he should be adequately sup.' ported in sortable and patriotic an enterprise. lo all these he agreed With the Noble Earl with a cordiality and n sincerity that fell nothing Short of his own 'feelings tin the occasion. lie rose not merely 'to call upon the House s to shew its unanimity upon this ,most inqukrtant occasion, btit to, express his. Wish that other topics might be excluded from 'discussion, and kept separate from the' more important question itselt. He could not ;mild expressing his wish, that this just war were inure adequately noulage&--.that the hostilities Were 'prosecuted with the necessary vigour . and exertion, and that there wse a hope of speedily Seeing them so prosecuted. These were points which he knew were proper for it distinct dis'eus .sion, and at a period which be trusted• was nut for distant :' with respect, however, to what had Wien froUi the Noble Viscount at the heatPtif the Admiralty, as to the amount or„rathef the prin ciple .of the force stationed near the Coasts of America, he had to 'observe, that in his mind no wise or :prudent man, or even one of common sense, A . yould not naturally have expected, view ing the relative eircuinstances in Which'the'coun trieS,hadlongbeen placed, that such a result as that whichoceurred was likely tOtake . place, and' have taken steps acciirdingly,The countries were ion - state of pending hostility, and upon that principle such a force should have been kept in the vicinity, as - immediately, on the declaration of War, to afford thC . nicAns of 'following up that measure of the enemy. With the necessary vigour arid' effect -on' the part'of this country ; but by what fell from the Noble Viscount, it did not oppeur to hint that a sufficient pace had been kept in that quarter for to. obviiiiisly necessary an object. The extrente 104t1tof the discusqlon Oil trail importittt sei►►lye in the cthtft':ii.ottse of Portiaownt, eonfintot as to a Atria' arid getimi sketch of the rem wining part of the Dehite]. r The 441 of I. 4 teritoot delivered hissentinientis at seam length, and displayed his-accustomed nth.= lity end' eloqueiree. Minch of that had trim- Spired that evening, 'he thought Matter proper for distinct and separnte - tlisenssion In hivviest of the subject,tim Conduet of the American Obvern thent driviog Great Britain to state of defeat EPRICr, SICPENCR-HALrPENNa'''. "sive liosiinty, was inflitenced trove by passioi thee even by policy,----He agreed with the Marquis (Lanscrowne) that the great paramounr: right in question was liable to sine Ouse in V 4 eiiereise 3, but the very circanistettees which ren der it so liable to f;husc, render the ri.v.ht itself of greaterimportenee to this country.---The cgitutr'y would bent infmiud that, the war we.: one of feel ing and passiOn . on the part of the Government of Ameriea, is the conduct of the Eastern ind West ern States, whose intereSii vi'cre oTipo'scd„ fnliY evinced. Adverting to what was said of thy. , na val conduct of. the war,_ though it was not luny. regularly under discuisiciu, he thought too much stress - was laid on the ciycumstance of the escape of pqrticular ships ocer.sionally froth the ports of the enemy. There was neqr acase of 9aval war- 7 fare in which Welt instances did not occur. If the naynl life of the illustrious NelsOn were ed to, from its commencement to the great triumph whicli crowned Iris deathleSs nu merous instances, nut only of single 'ships, but of wholo squadrons end fleets of the eucniy, nun voidehly ercoping from their ports. Thc N'ohle Earl then edverted,to the leading tnpic ht.disems 7 siOn, the : great 'paramount. naval right,.whieh he con.;idered not only as the foundations of the nit? vial power, but cs'sentialitn the well-in:int; and the national independence of Great Britain ;' liiineiw Pies which, he trusted, wank' never be.lost sir4ht of by a British Government ; and, in concluding, his liordsliip dwelt on the 'great desirableness of unanimity on the present occasion ; as:unanimity, in the present instance, would not only have the most salutary etfeet in this country, but even hi Amerieti, The Alaftpiis WELLESLEY and. Lard Viscount Miavitug respeetiVely spoke in ekplanation. The Marquis Of LA' spoke shortly hi. explanatiOn; todadveiTai sornevoihti, in which he considered the naval conduct of the war as ma terially' defective. Lord Hti.LLANTti, tho Ugh he agreed. •With. - the_ Noble Earl at the head of, the Treasury, that tint war seemed more the offspring of passion than of policy, yet Ihere . were. points' in the conduct of the ..British Government in the transactions with the United States, of which he could not approve. With respeCt to the- proposed _Address, a part of its wording Was such. as would preclude 'hilt) fr'oui sanetianing,it with his. vote. He did not affect to state the precise words ; but the part he al luded to was that whieh weft to express the en, tire acquiescence of the House in the k - esistmett ntadc to pretensions on the part of .iktnerica which cotild not be acceded to withatit the surrender o some of -the most important , arid ancient rights this country , . To this, in .his vitae of the cas, he could not 'Obscribe but that a system ot: euticiljation in. every, reApeet towards Ainerie.t, was the mast wilt, and politie-tor tlii coUntry to adopt, The Earl of liminowxy . urgued ahiv in,suppart at the Address, and ezpref,sed his_ apprehension', that should the Ll : tilted Stiites persist in making the distinction as to the paints in dispute, between the natives and maturaii•zed subjects of the-IhI4CA States, the war must lie interminable. The great right in qnestion, which involved the vital inte rests of the country, should, he thought, be eon, tended lor, white the power to Contend remained in the country. Lord fIoLLA . N . a, iri e.gplanation, he did not see that strong proof Of at utaitiv (tailis on flie part of the American . Government, which sonic Noble Lords seemed to think'. If such were the case, that 'Government must have altered great from what it wag at the periOd when he. had Ilia 'honour negociating.With its Ministers. Lord Eatsx . .iNg expressed his. sentiments nearly t o the same effect as his Noble Viiend who spoke last, The Lotto CHAritliq.LAilt WAS of opinion ,that lri Majesty'A IVlinisters had . rather' to apologise for submitting to very long, on. the part 'of ..Great Britain, to the provocations they tectived front the United States. Re sincerely thought they would find jit . very bark tojustify themselvej, is they abstained so loug . in 'the cas4 of any other' Power: ire felt assured", they would all recur. to the firSt opportunity of re-entering, with honour, intek , the relations ot peace and Lonity WM) the United Stem; of Aplerica. It was.. the interest of, both counttico, that these relations ihould never be brokenl :,reel their interest to .return to theta as soon a.; po,;sihic. But he must protest agaiwit an!, dOctrine which militated again 'A the assertuni and exercise off rii;ht, without which this' country could not even es..io, th:it cniling; upon the personal service of itA subirets, under their ane glance,' from the service of forciti St.„ltes,„aini to 'afford their utmost assistance to the cOuntry ,against those States with wiwin iver l / 4 .: at W. 11". This was a principle and object in which the vit?'.l interests of this county Were inV.Ol,,,ty! ad it Ica'; incontrovertible, that. States had a to retain the allegiance of their natural born ,inbiett s ; awl he could not help saying; that inde!-; America al tered its conduct with respect to that. snbyct,i - he did not see how the defect could be supplied ; the continuance-of such a practice wore sufrered, it would reduce ounavy to that stare to Which,; it it ever should arrive, the country 'tvo.dd 11.31,0 every thing to fear,.• . The question waii'again put; and the Add!'e , .4s agreed io With not more titan one_ or two (h en. tient voices. It was 'ordered to• - he preSet*d . the- Prince Regent ip,.the resold way. WAlt IN ,IN The Morquis WELi.F.; , tr,v act - Oat:ltd . th 4110 1 ,5:.. that he should ing forward • smile lod° -itif).!,s respectial.; the last eanipaign in tilt ret in on Thursday the 4th at fol' which (,_iv rimtreti their Lordships shOulti tide tiered. 'l`heiloute tilen (at S u'elock) till tu. morrow.