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I 4 .11 EIZ 1.4 L HOUSE OF PEJRS. THURSDAY, JULY 16. THE I,ord Advocate of Scotland and Mr. Nolan %rem heard in the Appeal Wilson v. Alexander. • The Hearth Tax Regulation Bill, and severalpri y,:t;! Bills, were brought up from the Commons, ard read.a first time. T..e two Exchequer Bills' Bills were read a third t. . , `rne Duke of NORFOLK adverted to two Bills on the table, viz. the Parish 4pprentices' Bill, and the Traders' Assets. Which stood fora second read ing. To him they appeared to contain matter well worthy investigation, and perhaps of some amend tuel:t. In order, therefore, that Noble - Lords . may I:ave.time to turn their attention to these Bills, he I}.9uls,l.wist), tho second reading, of 'them to 1:1e de terred till Monday the 27th inst. when he intended himself to make some observations upon them. ..The Lola? CIIANCEI,I.O4 concurred in opinion with the Noble Duke, and the Bills were ordered t0,14e N;ad a second time .ou the 27th.—Adjourtied. HOUSE OF COMMONS, THURSDAY, JULY . A neW'Wtit was,OrdOed for the Barough of Hert ford, in the room of Lord Robert Seymour,. who, having been also elected for the County of Caerrnar then, had Made his eleaion to serve for that County. The Spa/meg informed the House, that he had received a letter from Mr. Samuel Smith ; who, hav ing been ele6ted for Midhurst and 'Leicester, had made his election to serve for Leicester, -A new Writ was then ordered forMidhurst. • A Person presented certain Papers from the Corn missioners for Regulating the Otlices of,the House of Commons ; which were ordered to lie on the table. The Irish Penalties' Bill was read a third time, and passed. Mr. LtJSHINGTON brought up the Report of the pill for altering the praetice of the Courts of Equity in suits in which Members of Parliament are De fendants. The Report was agreed to, and the Bill ordered to be read a third time to-morrow. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL gave notice, that he Should. to-morrow move for leave to bring in a Bill t4A.lter and Amend the A& of the 40th of the King, as fir as it .relates to Lands, the property of the Crown, by entreat or forfeiture. • The Folkstone Harbour Bill was read a third time, pasied. HOBLIOUIK reported from the Committee an- . pp rated to consider of the Standing Order of the House, relative to serving notices, by parties Peti tioning against' the Return of `Members, and the R e '- sautfien of the CoMmittee, that, in case the Party or his principal Agent cannot be found, a service of potiee to that effeet, upon the Clerk of the House of <.,:onnuoni, seven days before the examination Of the Petitione.to be by him entered in a book to be kept for that purpose, and open to the inspeuion of ajl parties, should. be sufficient, was agreed to. ' The commitment of the East India Company's 4orisdhaion Bill was, on the motion of Mr. DUNDAS, lialt-oif - ts. , 'Liao BREA,CII OF PRIVILEGE. M r . JEFFSRY, pursuant to his notice, rose to cal the attention of the House to a circumstance, which was not only a violation of the law, but a high tokeach of the privileges of that House.' On the 29th of April the writs were issued, as he under stood, for the General Elation, and amongst the other writs, one for the Election, of 'Burgesses to serve in VarliaMent for the City and County...of the city of Poole. Ha had been informed by the Mes senger of the Great Seal, that this writ had been delivered immediately by him to. Mr. ;Jonathan Brundretc, Chief Clerk•to Mr, Lowtoo,. in the city, ,to be sent to the Sheriff of Poole. When he called upon Mr. Lowton, to inquire whether the writ 'had been sent, he was intarmed, that it had 'been sent th'ree hours before ; and on asking to whom the writ had been sent, he received a rude answer, de clining to state to whom, and accompanied with an observation, that it had been sent down in opposi tion to himself. It was not till the 20th of May that ,the Sheritf gave notice, that the elealien would be NW on the ,25th of May, and in cefisequence Sir itichard Bickerton, one of the Lords of the Admi ralty, awl himself; who had gone down to pole when the writs were issued, expecting that the elec tion would come on immediately, with slveral of the Oeetors of that City, were detained there 3 weeks, to their great inconvenience. He should not de tain the Hou:o by .dwelling tion• the motives of the conduct t& which he complained, but should o n ly t state, . that as parties ran- high in the city, and the Members. were- nearly balanced, the delay had been resorted. to in order 'to give an ppportunity to one person, who would not have bee n 0 age to vote till the f2'..,1 of May, time to attain the proper dge to tote. The conseqnetice was a special tetorn with, respeet to the two ,other Candid a t es , li e baying been the only person aLually returned.' He should not trouble the House farther at present, on Mthe subjea, than by moving, that Mr. Steinfort, essenger oh the Great Seal, who was attending in the lobby, shoUld be called . to the Bar, to be examin ed relative to the business. Mt . ..CRUMMY wished to know what Breach of . Vivilege the Hon. Member complained of. T he SPEAKER said, it was hia duty to answer that question. Undoebtettly, any person who detained a Writ issued for the Eleilion of a Member of 'that ilouse, was, guilty of a high crime and misde , 'rueanour, the highest of which that House knew, bscause fetch (onclnel had the effe& of keeping the gepresentatives of the People, "who ought to be in the House, for the time, out of it. Mr; Steinfort was then brought to the Bar, and stated; that he had reCeiVed the Writ for Poole a 'rifer twelve o'clock, on the 30th of April, and &livered it within less than two hours after to Mr. 13 tLiiidreit, Chief Clerk of M r . L owton , f or t h e pur j~ct of bcing forwarded witb ail possible expedition to the'Sheriff of Poole, . Mr. "Strinfori then withdrew, and Mr. Thomas ytort aud'Mr. Jonathan Brundrell were ordered to attend the flonse to-morrow, after which the fur if,er. .cOnsi'Llertt ion of the rni , carriage Of th e Writ fin' tie late 1 -41etonf o r • n ' Po ole w put. off m till to-orrow. ig EFFECTIVE STRENGTH OP VOLUNTEERS, Sir THOMAS TURTON, in rising to make his Motion, in pursuance of his notice, fur a Rut Urn of the EtTectii.e Strength of the Volunteers„ felt it im possible not to partake, in the satisfidion of the House and of the Public, that a Noble Lord, whOrn he did not then see in his plaCe, was to-morrow (this iga ll ) to bring forward I proposition, in which this part of the National Force was to be adequately pro vided for. There was a Return similar to , that he wished to call forAefore the House, presented in December last ; but as he,knew that it was itiacc-a rate with resped to three or four regiments, he was sorry that it could not be seen from it how far it was to be depended on. It was peculiarly desirable, in 'the present situation of the country, to kfiow what wits the effe&ive Strength of its Volunteer Force; and it was not to be concealed that that Force-had greatly decreased in consequence of the discouragements which it had met with: He was convinced, however, that the Volunteers were hound at heart ;, and. that, . with a little encouragement, they would again fall into their ranks ; and, in the present state of the country, they should look to the Volunteers principally for the defence of the coun try. He should conclude by moving—" That there be laid before the House a Return of the Effedive Strength of the Volunteer Force of Great, Britain and Ireland, distinguishing Cavalry from Infantry, to . the latest period to which the same can be made out." The CHANCELLOR • of Me EXCHEQUER had no •objetaion to the Motion, as be thought that every imbrmation on this subject should be afforded to the House. But he apprehended that the I-lon. Baronet would be disappointed, jibe vxpeeted More accurate 'information in this Return than in that which had been laid on the.table in December •last. The Inspecting Field Officers had then been done away, and the Returns were made by the Comman ding Officers of the Corps, without any check on the part of Government. These •Inspetling Field Olin- cers had been only just appointed ; and, though they might haVe made Returns of a few corps,, the great Mass of the Returns, which, by the law, were to he 'made. every three months, would still rest on the same authority as the Returns to which the Hon.. BarOnet had alluded, Mr. SHAW LEFEVRE contended, that if any relaxation had taken place in the zeal of the Volun teers, it was because there 'did not appear the same occasion for their services ; and that, when the,,gne my should again appear on the coast, they would again rally round their standards. If the VolUnteers had been ,worked,- as formerly, he was sure titeir numbers would have diminished. The measures of the late Administration respeating their, he insisted, were wise. He felt warm on this subjeet, because he had commanded a Volunteer Corps since 1794, and he knew them to be attached to their Sovereign and the .Constitution. Whilst he had a limb- to stand upon he should be found at his post, and he was persuaded the Volunteers,Would be found to ad here steadily to the principles upon which they as sociated. • Sir THOMAS TURTON replied, and contend ed, that such discouraging language as " armed de mocracy," " depositaries of panic," Bcc. which had been applied to them in Parliament, had principally _trtnrleti to diminish the numbers of the V o l un te ers . It was impossible um iuem, naving fife recline -or men, to be insensible to terms of reproach-;, and it required all the. influence of their Officers to keep them from chewing .their sense of them, by with drawing from their corps. Ile had raised the corps he now commanded in 1794; and had the satisfac tion to state, that whatever provocation might have been given to the Volunteers, his corps had not been influenced by it. The Motion was then. agreed to. A Message from the Lords acquainted the House, that their Lordships had agreed to the Three. Mil lions Exchequer Bills' Bill, and to the Two Mil lions and a Half Exchequer Bills' Bill, without any amendments. It was ordered on • the motion of Mr. CHARLES DUNDAS, that a Comtvittee be appointed to consider thp Standing Order of the House 'of the 24th of November, 1699, relative to the proceedings in Committees on Private sills, in order to enable the Chairman of such Committees, immediately upon their being appointed, to issue summonses for the at tendance of persons before them, tbr the purpose of having them ready at the Committee seven days after its appointment, Which summons, according. to . the same 'tandingOrder, could not have been issued before the meeting of the Committee. Mr. FOATER obtained leave to bring in a Rif), to Continue for a time to be limited, the Aet of the 9gth of the King, relative to . Dimillaries. Also, 4 Bill to provide for better regulating and securing the Duties on Gold and Silver Plate tnanufadured in Ireland. The 'Windsor Forest Bill passed through a Com mittee ; to be reported to•morrow. Ordered on the Motion of the SECRIITARY at Win. that there-be laid before. the House -a Re.. turn of the Number of Men raised for the Regular Army, in June, 1867, and the corresponding periods - of 1805 and 1 RO6, distinguishing those raised by the Additional Force Bill, by Regimental Recruiting, and also Men from Boys. . Mr. HOEHOUSR bronght up the. Report of the Committee of Supply, when the several Resolutions were agreed to: Mr. CHARLES GRANT moved the Order of the Day for the second reading of the East India Com pany!s Bonds Bill. On the question being put, Mr. CREEVEY rose, not to negative the second reading of this' Bill, but to niche that the, second reading of it be put off, till the East :India Accounts now pitting, should be in the bands of the Mem bers. The House was not in possession of anTdo cuments to prove the expediency of agreeing to such a measure, This Was the first' instance in which that House had been called upon to pass such a measure, without previous inquiry into the grounds upon which it was foundct4 by leaving the Petition referred to a Committee of the House to - examine into its allegations. There were at present two Budgets in arrear, and the last Accounts Of the India Company, to which the Houio could' resort for information, showed the affairs of the Comp any to' be in a ruinous state. By these accounts it sp. ; peareo, that there was an excess of above two rail- lions the Company's foreign expenditure over their revenue, and a loss of 2,200,0001. in their trade at'home: Under these circumstances, and wh:ist the Company had a debt of seventeen millions at home, payable at the option of the holders, he did not think that Parlilment would do right to pass this Bill without inquiring what means the, Com pany had of discharging, as well their former debt, a 4 this new incumbrance. He should therefore, not withstanding the prospea held out by the HOn. DireCtor opposite, of a permanent peace, and con sequent prosperity of the affairs of the Company, move as an Amendment, that the Bill be read a second time on this day fortnight. Mr. GRANT rOplied, that though the Hon. Member might be aetuated.by a desire to promote the public interest, he took the wrong course in his speech, for- his arguments were founded in ignorance, not in his knowledge, of the subje& - The sole" and simple reason for bringing forward the Bill be fore the India Accounts could be brought under the consideration of the House was, that if that course had not been taken, the Bill could not be passed , this Session. - The Honourable Member was aware how difficult it was to prepare the Indian Accounts, so as that they could be presented in a form to be in telligible to the Members of that House. He was sorry to find an Hon. Gentleman who had filled the situation lately held by that Hon. MeMber, so igno rant of the affairs of the Company as to make the assertions he had done. It was true that by the ac counts on the table there appeared a deficit at home of above 2,200,0001. which the Hon. Member had stated to be the amount of the Company's Joss on their trade, whereas it had arisen from the quantity of stores and other articles which were necessarily sent out, in consequence of the situation in which the Company's Settlements were placed. By the plan adopted in 1802 for the liquidation of the Com pany's debt, it had been recommended to send out from Europe considerable qdantities of bullion; in order-to avoid the necessity of making loans on im provident terms in India. This had been done in 1803, 4, and 5 ; but the sums and bullion so sent had been applied to the purposes of the wars that then existed, so that no reduetion of the debt had taken place. 'So' also, when the system in India had been changed by Marquis Cornwallis," considerable SLIMS had been sent out, not for commercial pur poses, but for the general expenditure of the .Presi dencies in India. Under these circumstances, the Company, though by law authorised to increase their funded stock, had applied to Parliament for authori ty to issue bonds, and this was a much better course, ,for the public, because, if the stock of the Company should not be worth any thing, it would be irretriev able to . the holders, whereas the bonds might or might riot be taken at the option of the individuals who might speculate in, such, securities. What he had said with respect ito the prospect of peace, was founded on the Report made by the Governor-Gene ral, and he was persuaded that the jealousies of the Native Powers had been extinguished by the con ciliating disposition vanifested towards them by our Government. On all these 'grounds, be.should vote that the Bill be now read a second time. Lord FOLKSTONE defended the statement of , his Hon. Friend (Mr. Creovey), as to the situation of the East India Company's affairs i and contended for the propriety rof deferring the discussien Oil the pieties slimed be to the liands i of the Members. He protested against the implied gua rantees-that Would be given to the security, of the bonds, without sufficient investigation of the state of -the CoMpany's affairs. To issue bonds without such a guarantee, would be to delude the public. Lord HOIPICK insisted upon the propriety of waiting till the documents now printing should be before the House. The importance and extent of the measure to be proposed' to-morrow, for the de fence of the country, would invOlve details, which would, in all probability, keep Parliament sitting for so loeg a time, as to allow full opportunitY'to this measure after ample discussion. • The state-of the East India Company was such, that if the Home could not in this Session go into a particular' 'eve, tigatiOn of the Company's affairs, it ought ift pledge itself by a Resolution to . , do so in the next.— He on the declining, state of : the Com pany's investments and sales; on the increased dan gers menacing our Indian Possessions, from the in crthised power of Bonaparte, whose, hostile designs against our Indian Empire were well known. He insisted also op the instability of the'Pcace with the Native Powers in 'lndia.. He was of opinion, that those who should advance money on the credit of. these bonds would have a clairfi upon the public, if, the Company should prove unable to discharge them. (Certainly not; said Me, Charles Grant:) That - was in •his opinion at least doubtful.. If the ComiianY could raise the money , on its own credit, why did it come to Parliament ? If the sanaion of Parliament was necessary, was it not in order togiVe the, bonds a credit, which implied a Aanalion,- amounting virtu ally to a guarantee Mr. DUNDAS defended the rayaing of 'money upon bonds, in .preference to the augmentation of the Company's capital, which . the:' Company was already by law entitled to make. With respe& to the urgency of passing thellia Soon, he believed it was strictly a Private Bill, and must of course be reported this day sennight, or fall to the ground. This, how ever,, The - House .may dispense with. With respeEt to the state of the Company's affairs, though ex , pensive wars had brought on heavy charges, the Indian tmpire was as little ruined by those heavy charges as this country was. by the heavy' wars it had to stAtain in Europe. Neither did the failure of commercial speculations in one or two years imply absolute ruin, The .West India -Merchants also'were under difficulties i but nobody thought of saying they were in danger of being ruined. He denied that the passing of this Bill amounted to a gearantee on the part of Parliament. It might as well be argued, that Parliament would be guaran .tee to the increase of the capital Whi c h t h e CO m - - pany had already power to make by Act .of Par , .liarnent. Dr. LAWRENCE, as a Member of ParliaMent, ignorant on this subject, and entitled to informa tion, contended' that no farther proceedings should be had on this measure, without frill inspection of such documents as could be had. There would be abund:mt time for .this. It waS generally, under stood that the SeSsign could net be tetelipat e d iu less thou '#ve weeks. The CIItINCELI,OI? of the EXCHEQUER thought it strange that as this measure had been agreed to by the late Board of Controul, it should now be opposed- by the Secretary to that Board (Mr.' CRECYKY). He denied, that Parliament. in passing the Bill, guaranteed the Bonds. The pre sent 'high price of the Company's Stock, 180 per cent. was a sufficient proof of the Company's credit, and the stability of its funds; - withOut" the mid' of Parliament. The present dismission , was, at least, a sufficient notice that Parliamint gave no sanaion. The Parliament was never st}pposed to sanaion the West India Dock Company, or .any' other.private speculating Company, when an Aet was passed en abling such Company to increase its capital. It was allowed on all hands, that the Company wanted was the best mode of granting - that relief, Sir A. WgLLESLEY supported the measure, and maintained the propriety of proceeding upon it with out delay. The Company's investments bad been fully attehtlea to: The di ffi cUlties arose from the State of the Continental market, goods to the amount Of 7;000,0001. being on hand. The territorial reve. nue in India afforded a surplus of 1,000,0001. above the expenditure. The late Wars had rendered our EMpire in India more secure against any attempt from the Native Powers. Lord MORPETH recommended a minute investiga tion-of the Company's affairs, with a view to a comet 'plete settlement. Temporary arrangements were indeterminate and unsatisfaaory. Mr. LAMBE thought Parliament bound to investi gate the solvency of the parties to whom it granted power to raise money, and of course responsible iii the event of those parties provin g insolvent. The question being put, a division took place, For reading the Bill a second time now J 5 Against it _ - - 10 Tire Bill was accordingly read a second thne, an 4 ordered to be committed on Monday. 'ln the Committee on the Irish Distillery Bill, Sir JOHN NEW PORT insisted on the propriety of with holding the Bounties to Stills containing above five hundred gallons. These bounties gave an advantage of one shilling a gallon to these distillers. The' smaller distillers could not go on under this disadvani tage; He moved an Amendment to limit the dura• tion of the Bohnties to Ist November next. Mr. FOSTER defended the allowance to the larger Stills. The Clause was rejeeled. The Report,of the Bill to be received to-morrow, In the Committee on n the Irish Cu3tonts Fees• Compensation Bill, Sir Jouti Nuw PORT contended that the compensation should he taken from the Consolidated Fund, as was dune in this Country. Mr. FOSTER said the charge was general on the commerce relieved from the Fees, with the excep, tion of imports and exports between Great Britain and - Ireland, Which by the Union could not bo charged. The Bill was agreed to in the original form ; thei report to he received to-morrow.. The Resolutions of the Committee of Ways and Means, brought up by Mr. Hoatausz, were ogrt.ed to, and Bills ordered accordingly. The Frogmore Grant Bill was brought in, and read a first time, to be read a second time to-inor-. row ; alqo, the Irish Hospital Bill, and the Sac . Duty Bill.—Adjourned. MALLS. ARRIVLD—I Lisbon. Due--3 Gottenburgli, s Lisbon, Dublin. z PRICE OF STOCKS TEik,IS DAY AI TWELVE O'CLOCK. - 4Eit cx. div. 1 dis THE SUN. SOLEM QUIS DICZRE FALSUM AUDIAT LONDON, FRIDAY, JULY 17, (807. So great have, been the exertions of the Adrni , ratty to prepare a Fleet for the Baltic, that •upwardi of ..>0 Sail of the Line will be re idy to sail iii a fey( days.. Adriliral.G.matza is to have the command, and Sir HOME POPHAM is to be Captain of the Fleet. Admiraf;ESSINGTON, and Commodores Sir S. Hoag and Ic.EATs, are to have commands. There is every reason to hope that.by.this prompt and vigorous f" .. ertion, the danger which has been apprehended i of R l tipture with Denmark, may be averte d. • Tins morning Government received Dispatches , from Alexandria; dated the 21st of May, and it is with much concern we state, that they contain an account of the death of that gallant and worthy Officer Sir THOMAS Louis. Hu died, after an illness of only two days, on hoard the Panoiis• The Garrison of Alexandria was in good health , and proviiions were abundant. The Albanians bad made two or three demonstrations of ,an intention to attack the City, but did not venture to make any serious attempt. *Our Troops burnt f. about 30 of their Germs. : We trust that the next accounts from that quarter will' inform us of the ;evacuation of Egypt by our Troops. In the present posture of affairs, we cannot spare men enough for 414 conquest of ggypt, and the mere possession of :4lolndria cannot be attended with any advantage. Government have not received any official intelli gence of the Preliminaries of Peace having been signed between Russia, Prussia, and Franeel but there seems no reason to doubt that that event took place on the ad inst. It is with much pleasure we state, from authority: that an investigation has commenced upon the `frAnsa.6tions to which we lately alluded, respelling the department of the Foreign Cdips. We shall of 9oo . rse forbear to make any comment oa 119 6ubje44