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for abolishing that practice, bfkaose the country bud come to the convictiou that toinetbiag must be done by a chow: of measures. not of men clove. The Hon. Member then defended the nation from the charge of dusaffection„ end described the suffer ings to which many of the poorer port of the popu lation were reduced by excessive notation. Even in France, whose Chamber of Deputies he cuit stdered but • poor imitation of ours. time was snowed for the consideration of the King's Speech. He noticed with repristintion the 011111/.1011 of the affairs of Greece in the Speech, and commented with ity on the terms and provieiona of the late peace, as exemplified' in the cases of Norway, Saxony, Italy, Vetoer, Geom. The Noble Lord and his coadjutors in negocisting hid seemed to iiike a !demure in nutting by pulitic.ll ties, couo toes differing in geographical position. habits, (ret ina, and prejudices. Ile could compere them to Oiotbiug but Venn-, as represeuted by Horace :- --“ Cat pheet imparee •Formas ample animas salsjoga a hence teem sitter* esssjoeu.w ITe i thesi 'adverted to the contplaints made from the lonian Islands against Sir T. Monlaud. the Gower nor, and the discontent of the natives with his ad sninieteation. and argued that to ask the House to agree to the Address would be to make them echo sentiments which ought not to be put into the mouth of the Sovereign. He had been informed that the custom of reading the Speech at the Cock Fit had been discontinued in the year I 797,111 con sequence of a piece of waggery then practusrd be parodying the King', Speech before it was Jr livered. The noise was sometimes so great th O the Speech could not be besot, and so it was occa atonally mentioned in old journal,. He trusted the House would not compliment away its forms, if it had any, nor Vote without knowing what,,Asey were going to vote. ..,•..• sail- The amendment hatiettlimen put from thoollloir, Mr. GRATTAN ackteemidthe House, but, wt etsie *ret to say, that, from his lineation antler the K A. ieth %Ad the noire whi.lt at tittles prevailed in the ' Rouse, we could collect the tenor of hi. observe- Alm linit' very imperfectly. It was very gratifying, he-teid, to terry Irishmen to hear his Nobility bt/ tape's noticed in the Speeph from the Throne.-o fikkseld not avoid congrotmeting the Ntible Lord aid birscolltragues on the subjeci.; the practice. he believed, was new, mid he hoped it would be fol lowed op hereafter; it would certainly add to the affectionate loyalty of all classes in that country. Much ems said of the hurlessuess, murders, and as • saminatt e ous of Ireland; but these were the natural fruits of the system of low and goverment by ',kith that' unhappy island had long been ma naged, and it ever would be the case, while the people were kept in that state. It was not to be exported that they should prove peaceable and Imaged, while subjected to • never-ending series of impolitic, degrading, and penal laws. They who dud expect this of'them remtuded him of the drummer, who. while ilogAing • soldier over every port of his. body, cried &molest Ise sees net se he isleesed. The comitey posilessesi many greet ad vsnteges—it had a fine population; it mar, not withstanding. lung Alined. °weeded, sad seem ingly siCcurst; but it ems not • curse from abuse. brit front bad government. Ile would go aloug with the most violent Gentlemen iii that country (and there were many violent Gentlemen in it) in repressing the excesses of crfitie. But the whole eetiatry ought not to he stigmatized—lnd he feared there were those who did stigmatise it 'for the dine orden of a few. Sometime., on the other hook they were honoured with idle panegyrics on their character, but they looked for something else. iiiii. government was the source of her sufferiiio. ' A lt present there was e gcictd deal of distress iii'gle country, but tut disaffection ,to . the Govertigtidt. There was a good dealof disinteetion,with Ailliii,, and some war with (fie Excise," till - Waillse te al, salt of frightful an immoral iii i." "Itii4is nut necessary to go very' far'bat k to trace the cs'uses of the coodieiois of Ireland; they might be, ftAil in the eveitie of the' reigns of Elizabeth' aid the Stuarts‘• end down mill. in cult itiris,4iti ties, pen.tliet c , anti legal murde , n 'lfyitil - a • remedy thellouse Masi weigh., II she illigit Oi l, and eircamstances Of. the conk; :' 'fith 'poor labourer wile in n most wretched Fooditionk• his house and furniture were literally "'lt' " u t t " H ir , and lie hitosetf !almond for • fewtorsoce or list& pence in - the day. oAlt this he e1+11 4 67-pirhis tithes, taxes, mid priest. This anita greledeal 1 Jess would /nuke a people diptentelited. Tllitioe. ' Member then adverted to the large sums 7Xriiitierl annually from Ireland in ients. The Gentlemen of Ireland were tun ultra advocates fur that eystem in which they were brought up. They were great admirer, of the British Coustitution, but it was whets it was 'attended with • huge military force to execute the laws, and au army of excise otticeM; and what were his privileges ? He seemed to have is little enjoymentof.the British Constitution as the peasant himself. After some intervening remark. which escaped us, Mr. Grattan said, that in Leland the nice of farmers was gone, aiirf that of gentle men was going. Parliament had still left in the country the old source of calamities in religious ilistioctions—(Hear)—and it was for them to my how long it was to continue, how long recourse was to he had to an armed force to raise the tithes aud laxs..—(Halt.) Ft e Marquis of Lott POWDIIIIT said, that in cometotcrice of the tweet • which the debate had t;0,.-0, be should trouble the House with very few ohorvations. He believed he expressed the feel ings of the House when he declared that he had never heard an Address in the House which more called for conciliution and unanimity ; and there- I fare he regretted the occurrence of any thitor which ,eosid tend to interrupt the tone of good feeling . to which the Address MA been moved and se conded. And he begged leave to . 'sone the Home that in following up the views of the s Pooh by agr?eing to the Address, his Moja i I's Ministers should not feel themselves pledged to any was important measure which might be afterwards submitted to them; neither would th is course at all preclude them from scrutinising i the conduct o f h is M a j es ty' s Ministers with all that 1 strictness and eaactoess which the state of the coun try required. He thought that to postpone the e risideration of the Sp ee ch would be weakeniug t ' at dignified tone of respect which as. due to a r Seeech f rom t h e Th row .The Host. Baroaet had rvqueuthy thought proper to make these general , ~~ 'The Honourable Seconder, howeve r , had overslept that ma r k, protests it the commencement Or a Session, and he . and his colleague might stow have thought it their : sad je " dellts llas• as the Has. alivoet had Stated, le tvheolred hirrlf i i be e co r n ee tra ral iliepol e ; fur, a he i first of all eulogised duty to come forward with • set of charges against the Government, or even the constitution of the ' ibraP"„ghttsiturtbe eosntry , and afterward . :, aritire al p si r wh a i t e c h d them as country. On the question of Parliamentary Re- I being misled by the arts ef. ilt.derigein g persons into (mic rofilm, if he understood the MM. Baronet right, het nags discontent. 'Pie some kind of language, it would be hail waived the intention of bringing forward Ili, remembered, fed Sam held at • tardier period, a t m , l e e ee _ l e t t ree sh e e deated dietemiw i • *M u ck g i vuund to the earth every dais more enlarged form of the question, that of Ulll versa! Suffrage, iti order to make way for she awe limo e.im p u tati w a s s el a'ail the ad y liget vivrompearilloupsare"edoreteerkielliraum limited motion of the Noble Lord (Ehrengtoti ) ; bet peals to that Howie fee relief. It would elan be reriseus e ' l c ie s t:l notwithstanding this coricession, he Pile Marquis or that the spirit whi c h l e a to the application of such Muguage Londonderiv) should not va r y his o pi n io n s oat th e I to the co ns pleiot e o f • s u ffe r in g p eop l e , had led under the rhlere•aufrfnpedreservii, sod d g i t i li be e e C v o il si i iii i i i ii n i s ou nr f i r es om e d the dance.' which subject. If thesente of Parliament was to be pledged on all the important wince eminnued in the Speech &dopiest of measure. for circ ir itowerribin e , * l e in u t i" t e o n i l i e s y d ' e l e s ei .the y by agreeing to the Address, three mouths would subversive of the must saleable rights of tlir subj , •et. The be little time en , tugh to consider of the latter, is- I House had disgraced itself; lie begged pardo n fur away, perhaps, s u e strimg au expressimi--(heer, hear)—but it had solving as it did our f ore i gn po li ti c s , ou r r e v en ge, our commerce—but, shove ell, that from which acted in • I " •nbecuswing it, dignity, and derogatory from the character of Englishmen, when in answer to the the country was now generally suffering, the de- cries oldie people fur breed it had given ' dem a stunt.— pressed slate of agriculture-rind. therefore, if it i He therefore thought it was bed policy is the Honourable wee possible to ni,ke the Add re ss, a reply to the Member to rewire the terullectioe of what 'night have been considered unturtairate al the lime, and oug h t to h ave {men Speech, it was a (atomise tit the H 0,,. Beimiet not buried is lasting utiliviun. Neither the Nosiusrabie Mover to take more !!Die m Bat *Karver the House our lie Seconder, to speaking of the wew" might say upon this occasion, it would not bind try, hod taken any notice of the Colonies.e Pr ob ably the n ; them subsequently. Ile one wished to state that, i look it fur greeted that the statement la the Speech a the if the Honourable Baronet's amendment should Souristnasecutraluitan of committee applied equally us lino be negatived, as he hoped it would, it was his as u,c t i o ed ims it ers he ery w . e. He i r i a d ilea upon those Gentlemen row interitian, ott Thursday next, to drew the attentson thus, G w eelle t rae• of t the 'llll who o let w e is ofe pres e nt affair, I I 1 " t rey m of the House to that part• of his Majesty's Speech I Colonies. If thole Grades:len chum to speak to that which related to Ireland. Further, he proposed, i subject, it would quickly appear that they were II! ON Mae day towurds the close of thi ensuing week, • condition which we*. far (rum woo routing that re. probably Friday. to lay before the Howie the views Er fi ve g en um ia .d it e ue lu u s f ht t s he p peec r i usr una rity tho uf T e h o r nm e tu ll e e which had of her Majesty'. Miniatera ill rtlittioti to the agria th at the coil duct of the Gu r vern rit of il l ite . country, a N ad ieedr th ' e l cultural distresses of the country. an d the remedy policy it bad pursuer/ in relation to the agnate of Turkey, which they were deeming to apply to it. And he was chimacefol to the character of Chrilitilies and revelling believed he might e.y for his Right llotionrible to the feelings of m.o. to supporting the Turks to their up. Friend, the Chancellor of the Excheyser, that he premium, of Ch • ills. Since the last meeti ng o f P ie t s _ spent the country had sustained • bur it the dra.h o f t h e would not delay lon g er than the beginning of tfi- first subject au the kiugdarm, )et all mention a the following week to bring in ii Measure for 0-- - eireenntuuee„ all allesion to that tweet bed been mast ► ... . the nix !he stneod. meat of the Suprrannuation whrn he would -..ton to I•ty open to the House the different ted, the articles of retrenchment contemplated or eseeuti and the savings to accrue from the reductions in t.. naval and military serrhes. He meant she to put the House in possession of the some of our income and espeaditure. Having stated this, lie hoped be alight be allowed to odd, that it wai not the inteins lion of Government to sleep on their posts. It would be presumption in him in my that nothing in their conduct was capable of improvement ; vet he did persuade himself that the House would ferl tit's& ed with the explanation which would be giver), thin they might then say they had the good of the colitis try at heart, and that no pains or labour horh*ei spared to attain that end.--(Hear, hear.) "Id! • Mr. C. HuTelitasoa declared, that to meisihres of coercion and restriction fur the preservation at property and peace in Ireland, he should give his decided negative ; but I.e !piped not to be axis. anderstaod, for no man condemned snore than lie, did the acts of atrocity which had of late too rte.. quently occurred there. He complained that' the emancipation of the Catholics had been 'with-. held since the time of the Union, though be hick for nineteen years not ce4s-d to remind the,Nnfilel Lord thet that was the only remedy. Ile 6101 d. the Nohle Lord to bring the affairs of Ir. landr rre-• trent ly before the House, and to make the rflikfkr! moo of them fashionable. The case of Ireland was • diffictilt question. hot theltrofile yid estsati come to it with that rnstiliiiesil u e *inch he w.; ca= pable. The Moo. Gentleman Then procresied to animadvert at some lea th on the other topical of .the Speech. s'YThe Marquis of LotthiiiiihheeT said that the 'Address did not pledge the Yule to any specific Measures with regard to Ireland. these would be matter of subsequent consideration. He took this occasion to state that to-morrow he should lay b.- - fore the llouse certain dispatches from the Mar., quis Wellesley in refereuce to the present state that country. • Sr J. l'lltisroorr would not °polite that part the Address which related to ireleod, because. did not conceive himself, by eireeiug so it, 641,4 to support coercive tosttaures— , neasures of that char- - - to - - ‘ezelteiktl hone the Sprach. Thus bail ih.tt enmity •be►w atrouAly eassited the whole eundect a Mt• piste., towards that illustrates isalictilowl, fullaewsreen beyond the grave, mad displayed itself in • mommor most *emulators to the character of any Guteestaeut, sad mike. bated to reflect diagram, if say act of lite thavernmeat could geoid d e so, upon the dignity of the Throne itself (Hear, bear.)—Tbe. coodition to which the Ileanem of the i minatry had been reduced was such as to put it out of its 1. power to take up arms if it should be called upon so to do, sod bad placed iis power so for as tra.beohrepiseil by alined every other nation. And yet that was a state of timers spun which they were called on by the Hon. Members to eaters toles, Om Throes. The royal riot so Ireland was also made the subject of magratulatioa. Sincerely did he hope that it might prove so •hereafter amid happy should be be if the result would allow hina to hail it u melee led to • lasting recnneilisinto of its marital differences, and the alteration ..of that apneas which bad hero so truly deathbed by an Hen. Member behind his as ilividiug sane front aim, and sowing 12 = la uf sting and rancorous hostility to the bosoms o f H e hoped it would lead to the adoption of a *oscillatory potter, which worldetsable them to afford some relief to the bandarie of this country by withdrawing a large portion of that immense military establisloneet which was there kept op al pseseot at ao enormous an expeuee. Is the ermine of attend Ware bad been • gradual (anise off during the three years [premise, the last. It was slated that during the -present year these had been some asiditioa ; this might perhaps he the case, but in point of revenue the Country weanot, on the whole, la a much better coaditimi Mom to the year 18111.. Knowing that much would be said tea th e su bj e ct of the alleged impeueerneut of the revenue, and liveries that it aims intended to bays recourse to owe of those lempariatiag Miallsores which had so often bee, tried, Ile 4411411111.1111.11 then alternate 4 lied .4441/eIIS, hear)—he b e g ge d t o No r base ieforamed.late l.st ores Nat a was the imeniion of Ministers to propose • loan of who sok lions to the wintry hankers, probably fur the , purpose of propping up the Siukiug Feed.--(Hear, hear, hear. ) What was She mounandiagsituatioa of the country whet was the flourishing stele of tie annum ohich the Hume were called spun Mien with cmagrat elation The arrears of the Consolidated Toad ansomitied In 9,000,000 f. ; N dal 1. at this morarni, if the leek, from caprice or any other wilo. live, should refuse to make the usual advances. Ilse public credi'ar must gs napaid.—(Hear, bear, hear.)—Thu was th e commanding etiolation so exultingly spoken of. The state of she public accounts was each, that, from the con fused mid intricate glimmer in which they wersflepi. 'here were very few people is the country that could underatand them ; while in Franey and in usher countries they site so simplified as to be perfectly anderatend by all. Undemanding, as be said before, that Molinari were about to adept the same spedient which they had before made use of. be had taken the trouble of referring to the former etaiesiests of the Right Hell. Geolleasen (the Chancellor of the Es. .ares—.M. itiititi; he would Hirer •to wily iiii contlittori 4 of I - . - --- -- ~ chequer), Ow, if he were •ruite io any of the statements their being joined with those of conciliation, or he was oboe! to make, would set him right. From them which lost lie had always been' rut advocate during he had draws out an account, • copy of which be beta to the twenty Sessions he had enjoyed a seat in the his hood, sad that Right Huu. Gentleman might have an Howe. i opportunity of following him avouch his statements. He REDUCTION OP TAXATION. I would baud him • eopy.—(Mr. Hume here held out a Mr. BROUGHAM gave notice, that he should lake ad. i paper, which was heeded woes the table to the Chaseellor vantage of the Report Itt•moredw night to optima • motion of the Exclompieu •111•eli laughter was excited by the eir. fur • reductive : of taaario• to such ao amount as would not I "nutall", which .I.l4i""led sputa the Margate of Lou. only chew the people their good.will, but also their power douderry bolding out is s hand for a copy, the receipt of to make it effectual to their benefit His object was 111 take which he acknowledged with one of those polite obeisances away die sinking fund altogether, or if the coontry ass not rui *ll°ll4 Cordob a, II so justly c•tebfs l2,l .l—lie Wil oily • yet freed from that delusion, yet to pot off the appliegii i ,„ i sorry that the time weutd not admit of it, or every Honours. of it till its deuces could beer it, be meant melee private hie Member should have lied our. Thus slatemaol was cur . locumes. reedy copied, with the exception of one misteke—(Hear, Mr. ['UNE said, that lie was anxious the Hon. Baronet'. sod laughter, Cunt the arinistioud benches)—that was motion should be carried ; but if it were aegatived, he should an error of the printer, from the annual finance accounts submit an aseeedment to the Address, which would lie a for the years 1617, 1818, 1819, mod MO, Aisne to pledge of sincerity, if them stwalry'hooesty of inteutioa la; the sth of January 1821. In that paper ibe aeco•••• the Hesse. r- -A . :. , were slated as they ought be; on one side being placed The All9lllllO/14119 was Himont from the Chair, the gallrtyl every bred of the general expenditure, including the charges wee cleared of straegers, and Ibis Masse divided. The raw of management end collection of the revenue, which was bees were— actually • part of the disbursements; soul on the other, on. For the Amendment Against it which could out be considered a pert of the actually await - 1 Majority l2B able income. The whole uf the gross receipts, exclusive of On our re•arLaiissioir to are Gallery we found t the balances iii the bands of the cullecturs—thst is. the whole uf the actual revenue In each y.ar was as follows: Mr. HOMO ou his kg., coronsenring on the tots Ist 1517 Y57,050,549 5 et ture of the Address which had been moved. If In ISIS 69607,911 4 10 those lion. Gentlemen who had mowed and second- la 1819 58,600,251 12 lei tit it would state that they dtd out receive from the Is 1420 ..... ' Ministers themselves the copy of that Address which The total expenditure was as follows; : the House seemed inclined to adopt—if they would declare 10 11117.. re ho .j• • • • £73,087,310 0 0 :::-. 73,125,194 to 0 that it was not in feet au Address draw• up or dictated by In 1818..; the Ministers themselves, he should feel disposed to view it la 111111.a . .J41" 7J,59e1,115 0 to to a very different light from that is which be st present be- lha 11140..q.asteati 75,007,1104 0 0 held it. if the Ministers who bed written the Speech which The House wouldimalMilberepeoditure had gone os gra. was delivered from the Throne, were also else framers of the I dually ineressiag its -gob sweeeediog year. /led why 9 , 9! Address which puree.' led to be the answer of that House to j Had the revenue increased likeivies 1 They would Sod that the Speech, could there be • greater farce than suck • course a it had not : fur within the period •iribiaced in that account of proceeihng? The Speech end the Address 111119 became, I three mullions of additional taxes had been imposed, and the hi feel, almost one and the same thing; the only difference revenue Is Ireland had regularly decreased. The people of being, that Ministers, who were the authors of both, i leniend were called apse to paella:vested taxes, for she put use sot of word. low the mouth uf bus Majesty, purpose of payiug soldiers to keep dews the people or Ire and tato the mouths of the two Hun. Gel/dews another land, while the revenue ordeal cusutry contiumed to fall OE set of words with the same meaning. He had hoped that I He would *hew to die House die reault of the gesecial rep whets they heard the voice of the whole people Cum one end lotions of the Right 'Hon. Gentleman, from the first day of of the kingdom to the other lifted up in eupplication for his taking charge eif the T ry. Ile would skew that relief from those distresses, the pressure of which bore so 15,000,600/. had thereby been lest to the euontry.—(Hear, ratamisly upon them, he should have beard something mob- i bear.)—He would undertake to skew dist clearly no any per mitted to that House by the adoption of which, before it suit am:lamed with ibe four heat rules of arithmetic. separated, it would pledge itself to take the subject of those The whole amount of the Jerome for the four years be had distresses into its early and most serious consideration ; and mettliotied, wee . 205,760,4152/.; the amount of the expeudi to drew emelt • pledge from the House us. the intention of lure, exclesivn of the Stoking Fund, for the Nome period, the emewdesent which he was about to move. With the was 231,291,7704 kevlag • surplus revenue of 4,472,000/. conduct of the lion. Mover he had se fault to And ; that Tb. Ilusse would...bee:ye, that if those four manors and a Hon. Gentleman had only performed the task which had half bad been haver', busbauded, the debt ought, as a met ' been assigned him, and in the litifilineut —.Adult ditty had most tee of course s to have been reduced to that totem. Taking properly adhered to the letter of his instructions, fur it the 3 per mint. al 711, 1,2,1171. of easiest dividend, might would hove been dangerous to restore beyond them have beer rot aced; the amount of the spatial short, fur - '71(7 7 7' • , . . . . . Laid Ts: Redeemed, and fur Long alnimilics, whirls had bees reduced, time to 981,6191 making a total of 451,111117. Is which amount the mom, charge of the Fended Orem 002111 In have been decremed in 1811, when* , la had been i eeeee .111. The Hon Gentleman then proe*ded to discos. : the subject of the Sinking Fond, which was ferried by set ting apart a portion of each loan, for she ptirpoor of esta hliadtiNt • Gad fur it gradual repayment. /be wow" so eel apart was placed in the hands of ceitaiii Commis stoners Coo that purpose. One would nattimilly expect that money so given would he applied in reduce the " II of she e"" 1 .7; bat in point of fill, it 'tint in quite another manner. I f it could sea phew°, that of floury that had heels borrowed at 60,'i part bad been ✓ ipen ta the Commissioners who went Ibe orst sear to m tr. bet In buy up the same richeour..., whirls 'had Bern posted fur that loon at 70, it would evidently apple, that •u muds had been lust to the country. Tit, siccoontiioshich had be. it laid before the House *hewed, that in thrk ni v the surplus of fuse trillions and • half had been•dipipated. He could wi4h that • 'Sinking Fond alioahl J.A. formed by a real surplus of ••••••e every deer; lint 1.12w001d have It applied In the reductions of rive debt immediately. The country had entirely lost the benefit of the four and a bia mom.. s and, nut may so, hart it was more ht debt now than no the Iss Jantiory 1812. The amount thing , ii by the TtelhturY for iniered•pind un the tended debt, thole* of management, and isbwesi on Excnecpser and Iriah Tteaanry bills, W 119... . It. 1R17...• 6'31,288,801 In 1818...05„.,,,, In 1819.0 a " In 11628..„. The Howie would observe that in no two sac * i e fte !re"" slot it •oinnt to within anew tiro will!ions.lif the 1111. f e A.m. What would have been the cane if there h ol been no Inking Fond! Beret r iog to the Treasury Areurinha, it would appeal thotike charge for the funded debt tie ibe year ending 51h January, 1822, would he 30,180113 k, tool the inteird on 34,7016911. of Excheqner Itt:lii slated to be boiltanding nil bib Jatioary. 1821, calculated in the proportion ~f 1,849,21911 charged in 1820 fur the interest on 42,894,882 k hi bills out 'leading on 51h Jill. 18!0 (thotigh I.e beheacd the amount was 'heart arndermated by the Chancellor or the Eatliequro would be 1,300,0001, making the whole chair for the funded and unfunilid debt itinniiiit to 31,480,213 f.; whereas if the simple. revenue he had torn e m•iiii eeee eel had been properly •pplied, it would lime been reduced, by the ithlemptioil sod expiration of dividends, and chaste for ennui ea and laud lan redeemed, temountini to 453,932(. to 30,619,872/. The present absurd system of the sinkiog God was therefore Mown to have occasioned to the country • heavy lost daring the tact four years, and would go on at the same rate wilting us it should be continued. He would then-hoe •41r, whether ang thug more important could have beet. tiniertrd in Hie 'from the Throne, than • recomm•nd.tian to the , idelhanetse investigate with care the date of the politic Milamom ! The Hun. Gentleman then proceeded to animad. Aillbilietlie practice of employing the public money in the •• a/ particular deparimeats in fund jobbine, and nn the 'punt, of letting particular individuals in the City into the secrets of the Chancellor of the Exchequer, who mails(' thrinaelyes of the Information they so acquired for their own private profit, which he contended was a ' , Went most un worthy of this great nation. And he woul.l ask the Home all/Mayer felleetiog 019 °soot this=., it would not have Iwo more conaisteat with its ditty to have agreed to the armeudoient of the lionvorahle Beroort !—(flear, hear ) TM evil prmtice• mod delusive "totem of necounie to which the Sinking Fond gave rise were incalculably mis chievous. He would skew that if shot darkly plan of Mr. Put bad not been adopted, at least 100,000,000/. woad hire bees saved to the country.—(Hear, hear.)—He would sky it to be • delusion from begilsoing to end,—(Hear, hear.) — It would be far preferable that a plait should be adopted fur ran :ering the public accounts in a plain and open statement of how moth won received, how match was expenthture, - sad what surplus remained ; sod that the athletes should be Noe ioediately applied to the reduction of debt to that smogs._ He ealmtated the .Right Hon. Genileinse not to proceed say mots until he had on simplified the ar. of ignorseter as to Ike real meeditims of out of the present made of staking ep eateleale, was such that every idle rumour excited a world of mseatikseya, apprehension, sod alarm, fur the possie blip coomeqesemes of oily unfortunate and unforeseen °reit. teem That would occur if Mac public accounts wire aimed so simply eta that all persons who mold read could one Semiarid sheen. If the sinking fund were done away, there Mould be as available surplus revenne, which by the pretreat system was el thrown away in the insnsaeMent of locos, for . wheels there was OM the sisistle.l rest in eessity The told topic of Me Speeds which sac noticed by the Hon. Mover, was that of the reductions whirl) were said to have been made. A • pamphlet had •ppenoril unite.* the title of" The State of the bletion," which we. stated to have been published ley the authority of Ministers, in which a rest deal was said unto, that subject. But lee could prove that Not Doe in:dement ,shereia contained tom firm to lad was Corrett.—(Hcni.)— Cpthilit was therein takeis (or rerintliuns in 'the estimates of 11;1106,40001, in one year, and a like turn in another year, and • mon. list it well • ronstimit subject or complaint in that . Home that the intilentillerr Oen . .. Clrfrenpf•lllieti with the sup. • ply. la the four large marmots wider the head. of Navy, army, Ordnance, and filiacellaneima, credit waa claimed for *airings to the sawmill of 10000,000 f. in the Ism four year*, aid yet his staiemeut shewed • prosre••cre increase is the • mineral expenditure during that p rod Ile deprecated Gentlemen being noislell by the statewide that writ their put forward. He retreated the House to attend It. the video set by Ministers themselves is that publication opus the reductims which they had made. They toot gitast amidst to therm , Ives for the exertions they had made, and yet said that after all the savings efr•ctid were but of tittle value to the country. TM revenue was mated in 112 Speech to hare . . _ . is. —T-11; escieiled t h at of the preceding year, sail to appear se be in • course of prole entre improvement. le the Speuelefsetta the Throb. i• 1816, lie found the use language bed beets made um of. The revenue had your on increasing from shat time, but • progressive toe had also takes) place is the eapeodituie. The Honourable Gesitlenseo then proceeded to notice the paragraph in the Speech which stated don The ElliiillAttO had been framed with every alma lion to economy winch ciicismstaures would 4110 W, mad that it would be satisfactory to the Nellie SO keen that his Majesty bad been able to make a larger ieductio• In the I expenditure, particularly in our sieve! and milt. tarp ',gobbet-inmate." He read passages from the vpreclies . of 1819, 1820, and 1821, is marl, them/fine %curds, which uccosiutied some laughter, and said it was ratio., strange that after all those lions, and nuts ithstandiug time two branches. of Hie establichmetit acre alway* 6.4 to have been reduced, sot one peas) , less of expeuditure lid been incurred. Whet, be asked, ought to be said to the Sr. who put forth such matentrnts ? If that Weal were composed of five hundred tradesmen sustead of gentlemen, they would be scouted out of Tradesmen would acititiniae every item of account et heirs utmost severity, and woe be tie the Right llon.Crseleams if he did not render them in a little better form and uslh much mote accuracy than at present.--(Leughter.)—He called upon the country Centime') to attend to this, sod to redeem the pledges they hail given to their coasiituenti o to compel the reduction of the meatiest of the cuentry.-. (Hear, bear, bear !)—Considei able imprueetnest ass said to have lakes place is the commerce and manufactures of lbe kingdom, which were said to be in a Aourishaug conditive. The same was said fu 1818, arid the slate of public referiing to the prices of the funds, was al that lime cited as a proof that the disirevera which had prevailed in 1M ;1 preceding year were gradually subsiding. Bat at that very time, white the Minister was borrowing money to buy opt pail of the debt, be was employing underhand uteasuirs is cause a rise In the funds, su that • higher price should be paid for whatever be bought. The Hos. Grallerean next proceeded to costive the question that had been put on the preceding day by the First Lord of the Yoramary to a deputation of Gentlest., from the City, which, be Mid. was a decided proof of the utter iganrance and imbecility of those who were charged with the adiumistratiou of the affairs of the country. Confounding the present depassima of the agricultural interest, with sisal of the caienftercial mid esenufacturlng interests at • former period, shay proposed to relieve It by an edemas- of capital to the country kaukeis„ when it was notorious to every other 11130 in the country Mae the bankers bad more capita! cm band, than, rut the want of . . meorily, they knew, hopf to employ, or ,coolel.And means to use. When, during the last &mint, he rifted the propriy of reducing dm pebble establishments to the scale of aniet he callell the golden period of 1191, use dumber of Athol mialrattio derided it as absurd, smother &Monied It as folly,; all declared it tee he ingiractiemble, saddle Rouse was led to 'clop' that upintort; yet no mime had the Hoerr eepersted, than those same 11 suss vi adopted ibe standard of that reel deo year. Th e «title cheer fur the expen ses o f the Go vernment, visa and military, itcluchng Ireland, in that Ate, and exams's, of their debt, amounted to about 10,000, f. The Pigpens, of collecting the revenue fur that year, de sr peered ley the lite Speaket`i report iu 17b0, ensountietrto di Scree teal.; and the ramie shire. of the debt to about tionkendt. el'h.r, on the tither hand, had It brim last The amount of the exp en s es of the Civil List, milt • eieil establettmenta, mod collecting, amounted in tele .... to .: te7,1?7,4411 t a 1019 • 1810 the last was • sear of boasted ecOnott,,, sod feat year 'the in.litltt *RS tti,r24,1431. All the teiluetiejos thit had been moide mei in the army sod navy estakdiShrhenis ; lent no thought had been ettertaieed of teirelaiog .the Civil List The aronont of the Civil I.ist wen now 1,104,0001; in 1192 it Wei myelt Its., aititortgh • large animal was theta paid one of It for pensions of various kinds Which were sow prodded f • ir horn oilier source., The late •ceereious to the Mt for the impose of siiet:gthentug It, was like In trnitueieg a number of i0d,,0•41, foto • riamoserod family to consume the little that they hid remaining. The brother of one of those persona (Mr. lkyriu) had been appointed Minister to' the Swiss Caohnis al a salary •f S,9COf. • yesr, with 1,5001. for outdo, sod he supposed tree 'viten: expenses besides. That was the economy produced by that secession of strength to the Ministry. Sir J. Webb held the . appointment of Directoe-Gencal of the Medical Department of the Ordetinee, at a large salary, abieh was named for t edortiun, but, thmugh the inductee of the Earl o' Chatham, oho previous to his ensbarkaiion r.r Gibraltar bad made it a reclaim that ibis appointment, which was two of his snaking, should not he reduced, he had bees Mot in, and to Mahe up the necmiary redolent:in, ten young met, relocated as sotgentia, had bee• placed on half-pay at • day. The system or panting slew eumrisisaions and me motions in the army and navy, instead uf filling Op vaCallfiell front the half pay, to which be called the attention of 110 Wear 184 June, was still etititheued; and to skew Bee prom& on which it was kept up, sod the impartiality will, which it was conducted, he begged to inentiou that in the whole corps of marines only me Scat eun.mh.ifiti and No other promotions had been given since the peace, the teams bring that the officers of that corps .ere not brother* or relatives of Members of Parliament; but in the same period 241 new commissions bad been given in the navy, at an increased expense More than equal to the saving effected by the reduttion of the whole of the unfurls slate eletka who had bees di-m.sited. Had any nue of the jithinr Lords of t be Admiralty bees reduced ?—(Hear, had say other of the ureters officers with Imp salaries bees reduced?—(Hear, hear.)—Oar the couirmy, • gallant Colo nel is his eye, who held two lucrative appolutineute before, had lately been appointed sit perititeudr ut ut the gma..-(L tusk. ter)—and hit the dein!) of General Rothfurt, • brother of the gallant Colonel had also been •ppointed to the melisso sitsuattos of asehtant Sr.. worker, w hick had thereby West= meant. There were many inferior soustims in the boon. I hold fitled by Peers and Members of Parliameut which 0011112 to be r. dared. The coleuses fur the guards, under the dle rectmns of soother useless and expensive establishment, bad cost the country 4,000 limes more, be had beep inform, d, then the prier fur witch they meld base been made at Bumming ham. The Hot. Member then proceeded io succession to review the establishments in the lonia., Islands Malts, Cape of Good Hope, and the other Colonies, which he dealt elated as a scandalous charge upon this country; whereas, If the Culottes were permit!. d the advantage of British laws, and relieved from the dispeceful reale idiom imposed osi them, they would be fully able to osaintain their us. esta blishments without expesse to this muntry.—(Hear, beer. (.ea-) -He contended that the Housmsosid. set do its duty wood It eowrfrefted the abolition of every theliolder of which did the duty by deputy. He saki e..orlude with Ibis address to these airtime(' who came f there to benefit their constiteeth; to those who came the.. to hearth themselves be bad nothing to say.--(Cries o " Order! Order!") The SPEAKER said, the Hot. Member most be sereo that it was not in order tu unpile tu any G.them-us that came to that House with any improper motive. Mr. HUME said, although he might out be allowed use the expression, be Mould still continue to thiukk true. The SPEAKER said be would put it to the Hon. Steds• her lumen' whether it was at all consistent with the intention with whir - bibs Rules and Orders of that House had been established, that when any Hon. Member was admonished that a wheeler expreseium used ley him was out of "him, he ehould reply, that if out permitted to me the ViLet be should nevertheless continue to thick it true of Chair ! Chair!') • It Mr 111.7 M E said be bowed with the most perferieelllie riou to the decision of the Chair; and concluded by tepolom. as an addition to the Address, " That shale tb:y Mammal their grateful acknowirdinieuts to his Majesty far the re• Auctious made in the several public eittabluiluornts dui lug tie Just year, they fell it filet, duly to slate Ode conrietio,, that still further reductions were stereseary; that the distorts which in last Sesaiuu bed been proved to exiat bad greatly increased and that in their opimou excessive :autism, dia propui (tined to the means of tbe people, and aggravated by a vicious system of finance, was she principal cause of that dialects, to relieve which they earnestly recommended each Nether redortimas io the pnWic expraditure es argt: enable them to relieve his dutiful auls;mta frost some poi sluts of the liferdeu of taaatamkwhich premed aitht each one • thy upon them." The CHANCELLOR 41 the EXCREQHRlllooldidt wee sot the firm time that the anousettoo had Memoir/lb of W. acuity to the. peak aAoeses ; his desire legalist Its y .should be iitquismokmaderailissal. Is unmet, Se the Bark of &wand, the Haw weer aware that, is us verreatee., eseetlueir done with them „could be • secret hermit . There .was as Act of Portionless which remised that .all mem Metres thereto should be Isid befoi• Peri.* • moat, he foursomes of which he -.Mold, In • few day., *slew before the Home. Whisimer wield he the view of the Honourable Member for Aberdeen, who thought te e maposire oto very extraordinary, there were many wh o thetwoht that the present distress,• might be retioved by . liberal OSIOO•1011 of the emetic, of the country, bat ow tett queettoo he metal sow to offer uo argument. is at • slays as uppartaaity would be offered by Me 14,b10 Feared (ii - Marquis Loadonderry) ; in the totals he most deelere, that bo held it moat naproitable to disease lIMISOMO ty bakes. II be were capable he should think is s mete it' the time .f the Home to attempt to follow the lloomantb, Member (Mr. Hume). As to llie calculations of the Be.. Member, be believed it was quite unusual is that Boom., say any thing to such a maw of Genres without rm., der comideration. Had they been submitted to b:rn IJ 'the Hoe. Member (accurdiig to the mesmerised Mirka / of Hnumeahle Members proposing to debate them), tg should have been tine ready to have gives the Horseenth:o Member fur Aberdeen bus ideas thereon ; but it us. It . less ear, for him now to do it, us the calculatioosiof Hunteurabie Member did nut appear to be., so his reseal,. hon. For iu proportion as the seteme approached to doe eitoeorlatire, was the impossibility of assklug the a- - thorium be proposed. If • Member's statement, only In four years, IttialOg SOH a reduction which iff tiny tewnetre to meet Ti 4 gonoutable Aleskser if, Wit ad ofeatting for fegii what the Govrroment bud What reduction's had been would be laid before Pa.. smiles data thew if more cow instieipste feline mid d .r elllrpraseupke of the How, darted the pobliesemire. the sympathy of tie Noose diutharged, sad reprobated Wield the ,janier clerks f pwubilitr of making the great re• as bad, according to the Hot. • morphia revetwe of four inilltos.4 totalA be more ruts tlian tip trouiJ leave the country ilatileot the rarest tragic, Cc ontac. would hove sheen muie ibeneira, other reilociiins (vilboat kaowleg I aimed/ done) he ttad •aitad to se.. n nadir la • few dayi est!111•41 and the Hue. Milltbr. - ruuld be June. But in tot mem" Its puede n yea wore eoasaittaargii ,Gi•ailernaii than to above wrlvri Tke.Hun Member b.col it 'overall tee Clerks rho had k• • rd Ilse Gur , ronteat • feggClkot ho e • • A ._a,l \— •Pt et 'or I.e ly i I Uri: T ,_„ ~~ limed •!1^•••! ~~ Ii f j , .1 ILI 1 ' •