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111 ° 1101 ).113;auner. stood it meamie - to ;M 7 posed' to s ew in CO - Li - Cetiink tie Memnrelaieiy • rid °lan anomaly; bet Ween the laws Ofdlifernt I.arts e'pogeti by them. • When ther• could not go.farther .of the Empire,. He believed the Noble Lord opposite tact concession, they were clot boilnd to 'eterniiy of (40Wicli) when he Stacwi a different understanding service; they 'might resign. 'Under theseconsidei:a on his own part ; but the ,Right - Hon. Baronet, late ; dons' his Majesty may justified in saying his Rai- Chanceifor'of the Exeheqt.ter- for Irel Hui, had given ni . Sters should not come to him with advice repuk sorne sanction to the'other belief, when in opposing pant to his fixed principles and his Coronation Oat h. • the decay of the proceedings on the BA!, which was Others'alsO thdught'l,Vith .11iS Majesty. He, for one, urged by some on; the groundoPthe'abence-of Abe - thotkOt that measure would.lead to the destruaion:l Pish'Menahers, the Hon. Baronet stated that the Bill or the Church'Establishinent of Ireland. , It was, was already law in Ireland, and already sanCtioned therefore, not to be 'wondered at, if his Majesty 'by th e I r ish Members. But .there wara still further •i Should have thought his Coronation Oath in this in- San Lion in the understanding - of his Majesty, as • stance efidaiigeriti.. The Reformation, and the Union three Members of the late - Cabinet Were under th .with"Scotlarin, had Sanetioned the original Church same diffiCulty.. (A communication froth the other 7 FAlatilishineilk, whicli'Was adopted Also , for the sake sine,' across the table, only two.) •He begged.narz ., , of POlitical-Freedorn. He was how surprised to hear . Annhe ' ihringht The Lord Chancellor, the. Lord E that attachment jo.principles Of such value, Was ~con he of The Bench, and the Lord looked upon as antiquated, arid belbnging to the dark.; ilreside n t . (Sidmouth) - had been dissentient to the ages. 'Air attachment to such darkness could never exclusion beyond the limits of the Irish Ad ; but ` beluatter of - shame; and he should wish always to . he found that. the Lord Chancellor had not been preServe it. He censured the determination to con .'slimnioried- on the second day, and he thought it not cede to the Catholics`Of Ireland, in consequence of so right that the Lord who had the particular guar , the disturbancelOf the last year, as an encourageMent diansiiip of the King's conscien ce should - have been disttirbance, by holding out concession as the Con omitted in the order of summons; and still further he - ' s6titience. He alsdCondentnea the' idea of holding :thought it right that: the dissentient Members of otie'advantages'to the more wealthy Catholic's, in or lbe.Couneil, as well as the- consentient, should be der to engage their favourable .influence on their in . -- larnmoned, in order that the King may have the 'feriors: thelOyalty'of these Gcntleme'n was not worth 'benefit Ofhearingfhe opinion of those who confirmed, much c it it could not be active on the considerations as well as the opinions of those who invalidated, his -- nbiitenjO)ed...4n answer tolhe chaige urged against principles with respect to the Church; which were him - , of haying wantonly offered to enat .strong • kloyin to have been heretofore unaltered' ‘Cirtth•respeet to 'Freland, he stated; that he established then that it. was a thinhr, unknown-to 'had' offer' only in the contemplation of !9nie,,of his Majesty's Cabinet - Ministers, and 'to the irg' - bein:g r rikTeAiV to adopt such Measures: , In Minister in Ireland charged to negotiate this parti- 'that ckse he i ‘kbuld have S'upported such measures tular point, that it was intended to ex - wed the xiithoCit any regard to the loss of popularity, in 'Act of 1 ig3, it was not extraordidarY th a t his , vAiCli, as a Memberof . a- new Opposition, he was in ilajesty,- himself should have . been at a loss to un- ' ::ti7blving himself. lie denied that the Catholics could derstand the extent of the: proposed measure. - Here flow with truth be said to be given'oVee'fb a perse be closed the first Point of -the question, content . - cuting spirit. Foi'hitils'ellyhe defied arty one to shew -established, that his , the, instance in which had shewn a want, of ing himself with haviag Clearly Majesty had no knowledge in the first ins t a nc e ' of tnO,dell!tinn in his power, or 'a w an t o f c h ar ity in - its b e i ng i n t e nd e d t o carry tlie triew , Lire so far as lits - 'siehgion. He thbnght the proper way to main was afterwards proposed. -.As to•.the time when fain tranquillity in Ireland, was to hold not only a the treasure was introduie4intoit k e HOP just SeitiltS pre- and tranquil, but a firm hand towards the Ca-. sent extent, no . communicAtion ha `been; made to his tholics, and by no means tO - encourage . them to new Majesty on th a t s ubject the' . 3d of March. I n t h e hBP e s'", by forward „co4esiions. .Igsread of encou,*: ititeilinediate time, dispatches had been laid before raging hone from recent disturbances, it should be • his Majesty, stating, that .the Irish Catholics would encouraged, if at all, after a long piiriod of loyalty not be cont e nt with the measure then pending, IA itit- `and approved attaChrbent. I-le was convinced that no out large additional concessions. .T:ie hope of keeping thingcould be concededw about d,angerto•theprotestant back. the agitation of the 'general Petition. 'of 'the' Establishment,' and there fo re not hold ire would out Catholics, could not, in the qpinion of, the .Lord r any hope to the Catholics. It was highly impolitic Lieutenant nor of the Lord Chancellor of Trees t, to keep up a fluctuation in Ireland; the Carbolic and land,. who was more particUlarly concerned, I,e the Prote s tant Churches _would be - in ,la.wer of a . accomplished without grantinz, an aci.lition to the ruinous conflict from all concessions which would Officers' Bill, the situations of Sheriffs and Mein- i go to approximate the situation or the Catholi.:s with hers of Corporations to the Gentry, and the ‘siva- that of the Protestants; and would be highly injurious. lions of King's Counsel in the COurts of Law. Then as to the pledge' rejeded :)y — the. late MinisterS, dispatch' containing this intelagence was certainly and supposed to be - granted by the present, no such 3 ent to the King, but without any precise notiftea- pledge, he could assure the House, had been given, lion of its meaning ;, and here he must say, with- at least no such pledge had been,given by him. Nor tint any chorgeqf intentipn to circumvent, or over- was it to be stpl6Sed that, becauSe such a pledge reach the King,!that the want of precision and ex , was required from - the Ministers ho had urged the Planation that existed w..,s the cause of att. or a great l onnoxious measure, snelk-ia pledge, - or any Pledge, part, of the difficulties that 'were found' to encumber had been required of tue new aiste.7s.. He, and thi s n questio. When the doubts arose in Ireland, and those with whom hw e acted, ere known to be of the caspittch sent back . with a view to remove those opinion that no measure of the nature to- which the doubts led to a more clear disclosure of his Majesiy's pledge applied, should be brought forward without mind„ ivas atteMpfed first to 'modify the proposed measure to hiS Miijesty'S wish ; but when 'it Was f c 'und that,that Could not be done with the satisfac , ti( "/ hiCh it was at first proposed to give to the e , `f t h i Plie4 it was thought better by the . advocate's of the measure" to Withdrit'W' it. • And ' . h r ere was aPcth 't 'iptin which the kite Ministers over -I°°k'' 11 , a Material duty indeed.• After they had r 4ed that the irnp(irtance• of - this business would - 4 °t admit of its being piistp_oned single • day, . had, he `Woilld not say from the motive; but cer= ttinly with the effeCt, of keeping theirplaces, Made ,t fe °driest sacrifice that had ever bet Ore been known; , sacrifice of private feeling to 'public principle.— ' 4l is MaTesty'slate Minister - claimed a right, in with -u,rawingthenwasiire lately before the House, to state :tueir sentiments strongly in favour of that measure, iand of a general system of tlwour towards theCatip-: -f i nd rUn NV ., li the strangeSt pit he had ev4khatini he wished . thOse who" were so itnxionsiteglialtl -a gainst the case otip CroW n without responSible 'llister s , to cOnsiderin wb4t situation we Would be if th eMiniSters in tilts case :were 'allowed to tOrne do\kn Pa - 01 1 state their own case against their Spyereigti—to lay they were faYourable, and they were right, but ' 4 !5 Majesty opposed them, and they.wereobliged . to , concede. --(ii cry of .“ An, Fq.f" )--Was not that ,the fa6l ; he was stire the Noble Lord would suppor Ilimself in nothing biit the faa,'and every thing he acv acid heard confirmed the i nyeSsion stated; Whit responsibility then had the House 10 look to ? The late Ministeis would have said, if : the, pledge of,which he would say a few words ny iliait by, had not, been required, we are strongly for e measure, but the King is strongly against it, a ad therefore we must give way. In such a si tuation w h at r e sponsibility would Parliament have jU look to ? His Majesty here contented himself : 1 1 1) °h this too, with regretting that his Alinisters la menting opinions slide rent from ' his , and with ; tll 4ting- the necessity of introducing d is cussions iMproper ; but when the right of stibinitting L' tli er measures was insisted. on, not to combat a --. e te loose opinion, but a settled principle of his Ma ,l'i4stn.tnind during his reign, the House would see ;,`'e mischi e fs that must result. He was ready to allow ` th at, abstratiedly, Ministers were not to fetter theth :,!ves in the right to advise how'the prerogative, to ; v " or withhold consent to 'alis of the ,legislatnre, a 4411 (.1 be exercised. But the ease_ in agitation was ea se of bringing forward a great legislative ~,, ques tion against the Crown, with the authority influence of Ministers of the Crown. It was 1 / 4 . 4l eulOus to say the Kiyg had the prerogative at c hanging his . Ministers, unless he could change' the m M upon certain topics and principles. His a e i i st Y mind was made up not to concede further i P°4 this question, and any further instances could t ru cince nothing but agitation and irritation. If • le minute had been Suffered to pass without' a 1 1 ) ) dge, an attempt might be afterwards made to tha t forwa r d th e measure again, on the ground, at it..was not contrary to the sanction of the pro l'il _ c ssion, and acqui esce d i n . Hi s Majesty, therefore, re quired a pledge in writing that he should not be d isturbed with applications which could only pro quce distress and irritatio..,, and that pledge at: the tent moment went only to extend tor a little time tut Learance which the late Ministers were d. - the ca)nsnt of the Crown;, and the Parliament, 'and the People of,his country., Therefore a - pledge was Superfluous froM then'. He believed no such pledge had been recittirettirdin any of his cotleagues,' cer= tainly no such pledge had been ;required from him. If laelitte Ministers were dismissed on the re fit-al to give the pledge, it "was not to be concluded that the 1-lAii - Mitifsters had given `that-pledge But the concitiSion 'was. not fair:; and though 'they ,should..ev,en.,bfve, disapprdyed.some of them, he did riot nevilMintsters were at tiberty to refuse to come 63 OrficJ ;Tit. the business - of 'the country was not Lobe' ai lowed to stand still for - want of a Go. veroment. Neither. as it to be, supposed that the new Minister s h a d adol)ted the pled g e supposed to 'Wive bten givon'Wtheit predecessof§PHe hoped th 6 House would be cautious of implying a:censure On the dismission of the--late-Ministers, and if they did 49; that they would be particular to see that they not do it without just ground. Mr. GIUTT I 4.4I/ hoped that the sway of Govern metif 'over the Irish Catholics would always be mild ; fel' if not mild if Would not be peraianent. The Government of Ireland had been guilty of extrava : - gain excesses of power, and had been compelled to capitulate with the people ; for capittilatibii - With 'the p.!ople were -the consequences of enormous -stretches - of po,,ver. To such tluduations mueh of the 'distresses that had existed in Ireland were to be attributed. Tile Speech' of the Honourable `Gentlemanwho had just sat down, may be divided into two principal points, Ist. as it related' to the Catholic question it may be divided into two points ---.-first, their condutt towards the Catholics; and, se condly, their conduel towardS his Majesty. The be . netit of the Catholic Bill had been felt by experience .in the last 14 years. It was not, enough that the .Mutiny Ad provided a remedy for certain - difficulties in which Catholic Officers were involved here; there ought. to be a provision more explicit to.secure them ag;inSt a penalty of 5001. and the chance of being :disabled from suing at law, and of bringing a wit,' ness. Innumerable complaints had been made of severities to Catholic soldiers, in the exercise of their religion, since.l79s. They had been prevented from going to mass, and had been forced to go to Church. This was, by a double cruelty, to make the religion of the Catholic soldier his tormentoi„ and your religion the means of his punishment. He owned-he had not-the-agonising foresight to see the destrudion of the Protestant Establishment in there. lief Which was proposedtobegranted in this resped to the Catholics, nor from having,Catholic Generals on the Staff. The Bill went to give to the Country the benefit of the powers of the CatlioliCS, physical as _well as intellectual ; and in order to do. that it was proposed to give to the CatholicS, in some degree, a cornthunity •Of rights, as they had a community of danger in the fullest extent. All dissention between the different classes of the subjects ought to be re moved; and all the 'united energy and hostility of all turned against the common enethy. The late , Government of Ireland had chewed an honest inten tion to execute the laws already. paSsed in favour of the Catholics, and to give, the benefit of the Con stitution as far is could be. ,That the Catholics de sired more was, however, inquestionable.—Hence it was argued by their opponents, that it was the course of human nature that they should.go oti to dettityStion rif Use '.olnuth :Establishment. But this 'was to suppose every.ind.ii a•High Churchman, i• which was-not human nature. TheZight Hon. Gen-. ' tlernan Mistook huMan nature, and made every man a causist in order to establish his own casuistry.. it was not, however, to be -supposed, •t'ait ci u cenls:. lie 'would .expose his,famity, for wh t in :order u, have Priests ! no, for he already had them ; iu prder to have Bishops"! no, for he' had them alsO; bdt tly have magnificent Bishops, end that by the:aid of the French, who had inadeellisitups poor in their own country.—The Catholics were satisfied with the concessions already .made to them when . their Govertirneete was mild ;• they Were not satisfted• when their' Government was ,otherwise : •in 1793, 'when ~ t he last]conces•sions were made to them, the very Minister who proposed these 'concessions represented them as still b.irbarous, and said it was an ad of insanity to' grant them the fraitchise. Two. persons of the name of Hamilton, who signed the Catholic. Petition, were afterwards prosecuted -as defenders, ,:by means of witnesses so infamous, that ,the Julge from the Bench said those witnesses themselves ought to lie the objets of prosecutione To give the Catholics• the pride, pomp, and • circuaistanceof glorious war, ,was some ground ofrattachment, giftssas con ferred M a proper shape. The various Acts the Irish 'Parliament since the 14th Geo. 111. had done ju st ice, to the loyalty of the Catholics, and had truly charac— •teriled the hardships with, which they. had been :treated. The Irish Roman Catholics, were as much • the constituents of this House as any,subjects of ,England; and when any 'Member stigmatized tine catholics-of Ireland, he stigmatized his: own• con stituents. The Universities' of Oxford, and Cam bridge,' on addressing-his Majesty against the 1.311, • strove to weaken the •strength of thel4'4lnpire, and to endanger the ChurehEstablishment, br.endan , •cring that , empire in whoSe security,thegnu ch e ata et;ery thing else we held:dear, was eompreheoded e Here the the Right Hon. Gentleman: detailed the proceed- MO on the: Officers' Bill, , and the references to his MajeStys upon it, and argued that; the;re was no intention ;to surprise. his. Majesty. Then as to the pledges required of his ;Majesty's late :Mialeets, ' they must have forfeited their, Stations a/ Ministers if they had given such•.a pledge, and have consti tuted themselves the. tool 4 ofplace, and • tne'tnere . hirelings of salary. To what part of the duty, of a Minister may not such .a pled::: . o be extended' if th 6 precedent Was once established. .It was very ne cessary that Ministers should hold themselves iree to advise, according to circumstances.. Circunistauces. may .be such as, in a short space of time, • to .render a different policy necessacy. In 179'2., the Catholic Petition was rejeaed in Ireland ; and in 1793, the. same grants were made. So it was . with all the concessions Made ; what_ !acl been .granted subsequentiy, had been thought daugerous :to be." granted in the first instance. If a French force were in the country, it would be terrible to have the hands of Ministers tied up from what the most esetttial pns licy would ditState. His Majesty's late Ministers Would h.ve t - orfeited their duty,as Privy Councillors • by agreeing to 'such a pledge, and would have eove- Panted against one-fifto of his Majesty's subjeas, , He commended the late GoVerninent for its care in putting an end to the religioes dissentions in-Ireland. He stated the lanieutable coosequences that had been produced a,eoittrary systetn, when Government, desirous to promote dissention, had encouraged Poisoned paragraphs, the tendency and consequence of which Was to drive God out of his attributes, and Parliament out of the. Constitution, so that tiss• Country was at last{ 'reduced to the lowest step of human calamity. He wished the Imperial peo ple to be, id t ntitied, and not to be at issue one part with :another. He wished the, people of Lug,- land ,to be impressed with a spirit-of Moderation and charity; and he was proud to see so honour able a Specimen of that moderation in the City of London. He dwelt upon the' importance -of Ire land in a commercialets well as its a 'military poiot of view. He -recommended to treat the -Irish people with softness, gentleness . and a'ifeet —He - applauded the Government of. the, Duke of Bedford, and that of Lord Hardwicke, for their beneficent charaaer. He recominpnded to those who had been -lately in Administration still to pursue the same plan. And as,theirprinci pies would preserve their authority, and that autho.- rity'would.probablybelstrenethened by the of this night, which wotild.at the same time sliew the Catholics that their cadse ha,d deep 'NM id the -House, he recommended them to use that authority to' promote • peace; union, and concord. :If the cry Of • the Church being in dander was "raised; both :Catholics and ProtOstatts, and all parts of the Ern 'Fire ...would be ruined. He gave-- his' sdpport Ao•the original 'Motion, as tending- to- rumintain the Con stitution, and the integrity and independence of the Empire. • • • • Dr. .bUIGENA N went into a retrospective ex, • amination of the principles . and .cotiduat of the,ll6- man Catholies'of Ireland, and controverted most the facts Which had been adVanced by the Gentle- Men oppoSite to him in support of -their claims. The amount of the number of the Catholics, and Of the. property they posSessed, \vas greatly .exaggerated. At the period.of the last census, the whole of the inhabitants of Ireland were net computed at more, than three millions and a; half ; two of 'which were said to be Catholics. ' But subsequent and more accurate surveys stated the relative number of Protestants and Catholics as two to three; and 'in, respeia to . property, as fifty 'to one: The Catho lics already enjoyed every thing by, law, still they are not content 5 , nor will they ever be satisfied until you give up. the whole of' the klifgdom to . them. AS to means and consequence', they bear no proportion to the Protestants ; for it is well known that the Protestants put down the re• hellion in a fortnight. It is equally well knc:4n that they will not take the oath of supremacy ; for , they look to the Pope as the Supreme in, spirituals ; and if.you grant them what was proposed by' the late Bill, they would aspire 'to the same power in temporals also. There are - already in the Arng Navy A 3 Many Catholics as you can procure to serve. The'granting of any further clahr,S to the Catholic Gentry would • not advance any-Object of that kind. There are not, perhaps,, thirty Catholic families in Ireland of any antiquity; nor dues the whole of their property, taken together, exceed 50,0001. per annum. One Merchant in this country could eon tribute more to the State than the whole 'sift' of them. Is it then to grailly them that you woull ,le stray • the 'rest Acts, which by the Mast eanetit Lxwyei have - been. described as the bidWarkS of the Corwi. tution in Chore]) and Suite.? Conld the SoVereil:;ti cOnsot,to rep,.ai those Acts e it;iout a viiAti on of his COrOnation Oath ? Even ! with that they would not be satisfied. They would have - all or nothing. Stich were the-pretensio n s that their Deputies l a t e ly • set forth—among w homwere some. who took ad vantage of the Amnesty Act, and came back : 19nin to promote intrigues and stir np . discontents. These were the men who endeavoured at a separation Of, the two countries, and who would join; Ronap - itte to-morrow, if he could enable . , them to establish a Republic under the protection of France. The Power which that Bill would have given, them they would, turn againt England in' fav ou r o f h er most i nveterat e foe. indeed the framers of it could be ne friends to their country; and it seemed to be the intention of a Peer 61 the re a l m , who had been.in that House,. to subvert hi' such means the Protestant Religion. Lord 110 - IVICK rose to Qrder. It was tOtp.ssi ble to he.o - such a - charge brought against a, Noble Peer, and not calbupon the Learned Gentleman to name the. Noble Person, and 'make, good the charge. 1. Mr. Pt Oritca and Mr. HON NE4 alsh 'spoke, to or- . der, and begged the SPEAKER to interpose' his au , thority. TiIe , SP.E.IKE I! apprehended that it b e l onge d to every - Member to deliver his sentiments in what terms he thought proper. " . GRENVILLE said it was impossible pa tiently to hear so seripui a charge brought .against Noble Peer of the other House. It would tend 'O* ita to disturb the good understanding that. ought to subsist .bet Ween the two Parliament. On these 'greunds,. he 'thought, the' Learneit DoCtor was not in order, and ought to name the Noble. Person to whom he alluded. Indeed. he could, not be left to his option 'to withhold the ex=, planation called.for. • These reasons were also urged by Mr. SHERIDAg. --t4j SPEA, 4 ;said, 4 th.t codeavoured to dis fune.qions to the best of his abilities, and he ii.:;alceved that be might say, frotn, the b-,t - in-' foriratieti of the Orders and Pray iec of the ~el- • that the words delivered did not amount to 'a 6 . 90, el ordpr. . • Dr 1L there might he too - ,mneh.warmth in his mode of et pressing himselti but there.were noble Lords in that House, as 'well as in the. other, to whom - he, might have referre!.. should not,;nowever, now, trespass tiny longer on the patience of the House.- Mr. ROMILLY very, forcibly deprecated the' mischief of exciting religious animosities, I.VhiCh the. • conduit and expressions' of spme of the Gentierncri: _ opi,;)si;e to him seemed but too well c,ifridatesi . to' produce. Bat he was anxious to bring telt . the: Ho: ,to the-question before, the m , w hi c h th ey. - see oe d, i in-.=some measure, to have lost si„;fit --=l-fad the, late Ministers subscribed the pie !o-es ptoposecl to them,. would they not have been guilty Oa high:crimeAnd tnisdemeanour ;. and would nut • that House: betray its trust, if it did not hope ...it .Mintsters , who would bind therrisehes to t0r2,;0 giving athiice to the' Sovereign, and that, perii respecting, points the most essential to the s y of the EA:Tire ? Never was 'any doCtrine mere dangerous.to the'. Sovereign, and , if it was tool:led in truth,Ahen all he had, ever.. read or heard of the Constitution 'was fallacious and absurd. It was one of the- most sacred priociples of the Constitution, that the King can do' no Wrong, and, consequently, f o r ev e ry at; dime by the Sove reign,. some person : must be responsible.--0n this principle TCSlect the rights of the , people, and the security of the Crown. , Even when the SoveieL" exercises the prerogative of Chnsinc; -- his 'Confident:lA servants, some, person or : persons were res'popSille for that exercise. ;To chos,his., own Ministers, no doubt, o the prerogative .of the Crown. By that prerogative the ; king Can call any man lie Pleases. to ~nis Councils.. Even a. man in whorh that-House has no confidence.—He may call to his service a man who has been convicted by that House b of a. , - , ross violation of . brought trjalao acqu4el; but: so acqUitted, Oat not, one. Ot, his powerful frieudS in .that ever yet vehtored to .move the resciticiiug rho solutionWhieh stood against hilt] who co.Wij,9t ;come into the-other House or P,erliament NcialOnt yeadipg Men eyound'hith the sentence passed upon him, and whopust:still 'nave reSocitid- Mg in his ears the words, upoil • moor." . 7 .•4 Il7r. JEFFREY, of Poole, rose. to'order.—Tf 'Learned Doetorhaii been disorderly, in his," althAe s to - a Noble Peer, surely the Learned Gentleman wI I O wns now' specking was, far, more reprehensibl e for the allusions which he was miiking so direalYio.the .cas, of another Noble Peer, whom he might as well .name. After sorneeobservations from the SPEAKCR, 214;fr.ROMILLY proceeded to shew„ that he only stating a case - to prove the Crown had the right of the choice of its Ministers, even when theyWi-e e men such as he was describi ng ; , b ut then the 'Min:- sters were responsible for ,that, exercise of the pr, • r%!.tiVe, otherwise:the Constittition was n 6 the King would,he'ab so l ute , an d t h e House of Coin . mons lose. its dearest privileges. For the person of . his Majestylie had the most sincere attachmeot,,the • most profound respea. Nothing !i 4 d ever been done byhim injurious; to.the Constitution from the first it6t of-his reign down to the moment he VV,as he could therefore ‘unpute, nothing to his Majesty, i but to those who advised him, he., would impute every thing,. 'The do4trines broached this inight, s he woui c i again : assert; were incompatible with the known principles-of the Constitution, and Would prove nu less dangerous to the security of the Eanpite:.7These doctrines; and the cry of " Popery, if dangerotls to the Church," &T. might be attended with most seriOus mischief; and he should be sorry that any thing in the conduit of his Learned‘Frieni.f Percevcl) could b fbund to give countenance to : 7 ,:uelx an idea, which must kindle up the. worst nassierf, and endanger the safety of the State. , • Mr.' B, BATHURST . lamented the u r into the debate of the's::eted . nime of the 60irer(-ilyn, .but the turn given to the'discassion made that viokt tiOn of the orders of the House ;MR oidable.-7,-.4,via:, , alb - tined,' that there could be no act of the Cro without advisers. This rul e , hObeheved, lia.4 so •;.e exceptions.. When the Crown;'for exarup.Q, missed one set of Ministers, and called anol,hcr 7 office, during the interval between he disuni. , .:iirinc;?....e One • and th,4 establishment Of tli'other Crown ~ k.ithout:any 3dviers. • 'Another rah; L-