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V I! I i Inpeesehm? I awed meat; it load More bees the MIMI end of August or the bogie leg of September. How may days was it befere Foe left the Villa Bergson ? I don't know how asap days. Was it • week ? More than a week. • Was ant Bagami living at the Villa .Berami the. be kft it i No, be bed guise away, lad I don't haw Inane he lived. • . Who dastard yea to come over here as a integer?. one—my owe will. Thea does be mesa to swear he mime volootarily, withal say applicants. hairs' hose made se him fa Nat papas t• I ramie here by ally own will, is came I heard that the sus ste Cadasso was reeeiviag whammies, sad I west to a/ 44 hat 1 had to say, as I knew something of that Lolly, who had slime .us a great deal of good. IM. Lashingtoo—He mid, " had doer a great deal of " me." Shaul Peers--" Me good" listerpreter—Acterding to the deimmenedava I took, toy first impression was, that the words were Ness pod;" um as the answer was very lung, awl I had to put my marts done so a confused way, Mr. Powell suggested to Me that it was sot use good, bat good to every body. That is right, certainly. Asa bins what his same was? To me sad tb all the • people of the Barosa—to the people to general. • What do moo mean by a great deal of good; Jo pee mea• to say that her Royal Highness had done • greet deal of good for you, and for alt the people of the Hama Yes, all. IM you mean to swear that you west to Codeine, the advocate, of your owe stead, and that ao application was made to you to come here to give evidence before yo• went so him? I will swear that before any tribunal. Did any person apply to you to go to Cadase before you ...tit to him ? No • I beard that Cadazu received witnesses in farmer of this Lady, and I went of my own accord. Were did you go to Cadasza ? Oa the 21st day of As pi.st. Was Bergson then at the Villa Bergeron ? No, be was oat. Was Bergson at Miles at that time ? Mr. Denman observed, it was iaspoesible that the witairss, who was at the Barone at the time, rand tell where Beir gaini was if he was sot at the same place. The Attorney-Hewers' said that the wittiest, had stated be want to Cadazzo, at Milas. 'I he question was then again pat. He was nut, as far as I know. any person desire you, Income over here as a witness ? Nuns' but Cadman, who told me if 1 had any deposition to make I might go, for my depositiou was a goud one. Did Cadassu examine you ? Yes. Was any other person present ? No. Del you, in consequeice of what Carless° said to you, cum . over hereof your owe. necord ? Yes, toxemic I tuld him that if it had been a laminar , that required woe to go a hundred miles, I would g.. williog!y, because I would go. Mr. Drumm said, 1w vri.hed the operative to be again put to the witness, foe the Int... Titter had stopped himself after the word " became." The Lord Chancellor there asked the Interpreter if be had Oven Die witness's whole answer The Interpreter answered that be had ; ad the Interpreter fur her Majesty was of the same opinion. After you had beenAexamineet lay Cadaaro, sad before ...or setting out from rely, did you see any other person on the sob's. et of your corning here us a witness ? I saw another Vigils), Advocate at Mitsta. When was that? The day after I saw Caduso. Vim was with the Eisend' Advocate ? I was in his house saw co one in; I went there of my own second. Doi you see no other person after you had seen the Eng. 114 h Advocate besides Carfurzo on this subject ? Not at that tin.. Ai any other time ? When he the Advocate Cadaszo came to the Barons, I saw him and another person. It lin was this person ? 1 donut know. MU he an Englishtnao or Italian' I believe he was a foreigiier, Englishman. 1 did not speak to him; I took them to sleeve them the home merely. Do you know Vassal' ? Yes. %%hi"' did you see him; was it before you set out from Its:. Yes, it was. Dow lotig hefore ? It was in the month of August; I t!.. not know when, I have not the date. %Va• it Lefore sir slier you went to Cadaun After. Did tun come over to England by yourself or with other raglans I came over with my head Master, Garolioi, sod Slate other patisetegerr. VI lirre did you we %%mesh ; was it at the Villa Bergman, c• at Venice? At Ablate. here al Milan? Near his house, I saw him as be was r .tin e Mill his carriage. 1.,•J you tall at his house? Never. V. as that the only time you saw liajm I saw him many t roes in the years 1517 and ISIS. Did you see him at any time ein the subject of yam coat iog here as a wiiiie.s? I bare seen him Acre in this country, ii Loudon. • Pad you pay your own expenses coming over here, as you • voluniarily 111111 out. paid them My head muter, who paid the expenses I.rnil. is your head master' Garolini. 14 he your head master alien at the Villa Bergami ? t'.. Wl l 3l are you to he paid fur coming here as • witness? %at-. I went to the Advocate I told hint if ibis was to be au a `!...1 of a Wile taar I haul uo objection. to to. liiterpreter-.But I forgot the heat word the witness 'I lie Lord Chaucellor—Let the question be repeated : w!.i.h was itecordusgly done. V, ben I *eat to the Advmate I told biro if I was to go an adie,l miles without pay for that illsistrous lady--.• Taw Attoriwy-tieueral.—That Is kW 8111*Wer. V. 11.11 are you to be paid for coming h. re? As to pay. I es u,lua tell; when I weal to the Advocate I told hiss if be • would giii something to my family fur their &upturn in r•y aboe•site.l would gu to the end of the world f u r that • Tue. Interpreter--He twang by " that Lady," her Majesty. 1 you uwau to say you expect nu ihrog for cunning Ilie i a .' If they vin take case of my family 1 h eve uo expec -14 t inn of seemlier...time for coma; here. %I bat was to be paid to your family thorium your absence ? A f ries to my wire, sod Italia here to each of my daughters. you 1111 yam per day ? I. :hat alt you me to reeriv., or expect to receive, for rominc here 'nips Is for the annuitants. of my family, but v myself, if they give our any thing, I'll take it; if rut, I • si gu w ithout it. Dal you snake any agreement with any one for resnerne talon for turning IW11•? I ran swear this, because I have u.soli - nu netau:um ; hut as there are 10111 C other people inn lone some hopes, to have I tomes.— .•1 !aleph.' 'Utica am I Ist understand that you have hopes of learned for timing here? I have no hope, ; and as I told you he roic, fur the btu' fit that Lady has done ins I would gu to the end of (1w world. You said, when you were here last, that Rastelli came with the son 1.1 the heed master of the Villa Bergaini, what is the name of theme,' of the head master Anthony Garoliut. Is Anthony Garotim no archilue•, the same as his father He is p o ne clever thou lilf father. Did :awl yousie, Gnoliui on that oceasiou take a plea of Me house ? Yes, he made a little drawing or design. Did young Garoliul make the plan ? Yrs; when be came to the Barlow with Delmont and Grroline and other jp4'fbllllll went up it sirs, and they mule the drawing or plan. Did prolog Gallatin' go sway with them when the plan was made ? No, the others went away ib a carriage; Gartilissi and ftastellt went out at another door, sod when they were there they began to jump fur joy, sod congatulate each other. Do pun remember whets Berland was at the Barons, and her Royal Highness there, that there was auy denim'? Yea Do you know a penes of the name of Antocini? He was Lieuteisaut of the parish. Whet is the extra of the Villa Bergami and its grounds? I do mit know precisely; it is an came of one thousand sod • bell pertaire. How muck is a perchier? All this room I would sup pose to be half a perchiew. How may acres did the estate cooties ? How am Ito know , I MINN know acre.. • • •. • . Tast %ft.iii•elli.A•lapi, 1Pead: ww. 011110 ‘llllO. NAN Were ag a tr ik etpowi Nibs wed Ad when bee Ingham had impressoi 11 AWN; to esi awl tbaillbollpfroot ewe apother assd woe falber. • MIA Alper peesetse-wilve previa it these bells? AN people were twooght up; from a Whir were bowed op, sada mother owes Nom* op. sad tha-fother web reins. _ Were Nen assay meows et a low 'beetle* A those balls No. N what siteallow of life were they' AN grateel folks; 1. wouldw 11 Arstaciai a jewthapao, rad ibe ANN were all gastlefolks. Beth seeks NM Amides? Yes. Do yea bane, • person A the same of Maria ? Perhaps she amp have goes there. Who is she' Ido out below her correctly. Does she not keep the puhlialionse called the St. Chelsea. pher? You most have vitistakai the name of the landlady who keeps the St. Christopher, for that is met nut her name. What is her name! Rosins. How long has she lived there A longtime. Was not she at those balls % Yes, because she was brought by other girls. she came; she is a respectable woman ; she is not a bed winwm.--(A innoh.) Is she owe of the ladies you have described as gentlefolks attendiag those balls ? Tes, she came, mid came only user, this Rushes. Is she one of those persons whom you described as yen. tlefolks? She came only once. Question repeated. She wss the mother of another girl, who used to in there. Is there anothe► inn at the Karoo' beside* the St. Christo pher! There is—Bergson is the master (owner). Who lives in the hoer* There is an isokeeper there. What Is his name Giovanni Angelo, •bo is now there, is the son, bat before it was kept by his father—he is e4lled Antonio. His wife and hrr sister, did they route ? They came ►ut ounce. Who is her sister She has no sister, Italy a daughter. Does be know a person of the some of Dawitsto, at the Raton% a blacksmith ? No, there is no Dapttsto at the Barons. What is the blacksmith's Dame at the &roast? Aatonio Hanoi. Were he and his family al thine ? Nu, he han no davighterr, only three runs. Was he at the ball, or imp of his sum' No, I say yft bem, He bas told us that he is • carpenter—does he remember at ■ny time doing any work to • door up stairs at the Barons? Yes, bare worked at a!I the doors of the house at the 13sruoa. Does he remember on one occasion ping up stairs to mend a Moor at the Krona' How am Ito rem...Meer that, went up slain, a hundred times. Do you remember at the time you were mewling one door up stairs, seems her Royal Highness a n y plate No; at that time I hove not seen her ; I have seen her down stairs, and in the ball, and other places, bat when- I was encoding a door I never saw her. Did he ever see the Prows* in any rams ep stairs' ! !rec. svn her in tier own rOitin. Was it at the time you were mending She door you saw the Princess in ber own room) No. it was when I was eirryiaig • chest of drawers up stairs which had been put out of doom. Where was it rim saw the Prioress on that occasion to her taws room. «tics I was carryitic the drawer, up stairs. Was lie/game with her? No, I did nut see him with her. Did you see Bergarni any where taro that occasion ? No. Vain you swear that you did nut see !ler/anti on that oc casion in the Princess's lied-room? Yes; I can swear before God to this. Did he at any other time are Bergami in the Princess's bed room? I never saw hint there—never. Have you never silted that you saw him in the Princess's bed-roue.' ? How can I ten such a tieing when I never ass him. I am sot asking now whether you ever raw it, but whether you ever said you saw Berigaini and the Priuees,■ toxeiher in 'terrain's bed room? l tu:il you 1 know nuthiseir at all of Ibis affair. Will you swear you never said you saw the Princess and Berganie torther iii the Prietress's bedroom? Yes, I ems swea► tt before God that 1 never saw them tog. thee to her ewe, room. I don't ask you whether you ever saw them together in that room, but whether you ever s.i,l you saw them together there ? I said I knew nothing of this business; it was not I who went pp slams, for tittle were always four or five men •advr me in the work. Have lour not said that yogi saw the Quern in her room when you were carrying ■p a chest of drawers? I have said that I neat once into her room to mend this cheat of drawers. On that occssion was it that you tow the Priucess in her bed-room Yes. Ask him again if he ever said that on that, nr on any other occasion, he saw the Princess and Bergs/pi together in her lied•ruoni % Huw many times must I say the same twine; I have said, and I can swear, that I newer saw Ber ga►ui in the bed.r►rom of thr Princrss. I Wee Dot asked hiss whether he saw, hut whether be ever said be saw Kermit and the Poi:tress together in tbe Prin. irtas's room ' I 'weir sold so, 111 $l . 113 Ve 1 Pero it. Does be kiwi/ the wife of the Baton Berrturs ' I do. H 45 he ever been bre at the Villa ISerguuri : Yes, she was there before I set out. Before Ise eel will for Enlso.l' its. ll,tl he wee the little Vict..riue there? No, the little Vie tonne was out st home, she u 311 at school. Mere at peboul 11 don't know the place. Yen hare told us that they were all gentlefolks who vi sited the Villa berg:ant; be good enengh to mesition the mime of auv of the zentleown who usad to go th.fre I can't till their names. Can Ise mention any of the ladies? 1 might mention Ma rianne Donttrini, 1 might ntentine --. 1) ui , and if Ihr other people were placed haw.* me, 1 might recollect their na MCC Marisaue Dun°iini ; where does she live ? Ai the Bs (WM. What in ? A girl well brought up, •od Ilse flower of geetlrfulks. Is sir not the daughter of the man oho keeps one of the inns at &irons Yrs, she is the dsokhier of Antonio. The Attorney-Gthersi's civas•txasninatiun hang two eon. chided— Earl Grey put the following questions : Wheilnw any proposition was made to him to Rise eri• .druceazaiust Alf Queen, slid by whom The wit..., nut uuder.ittudin g (wr mesons... ) the epsisiinti, anew. red No. Did uu persou speak to you on the subject of giving evi. deuce *gannet (paitirular isiVissis was laid by the lister peeler on the wuid MOP* the (luny? Yea; there is Ras trill, whom 1 usentioued the oilier (lay. Did any other person speak to you on the same subject? Yrs; there was* person ut the name uf Moulto n , who while went tutu his shop to buy snuff; or something of the kind, loW me— Thr Attorney•Geni rah inicrposedhere, and prevented the Interpreter from translating the remainder of the wiener. A 'hurt pause in the proci.r.hisaa took plan• here, in eun.. sequence of liar Lord Chancellor having Ith the. HUSS., pre. ?hugely. On his Loril.hip's return Eirl Grey soiled the difficulty a Web had occurred. The AttorneyGrurrah übsrrsrd, that it wined appear is pair 98 of the printed evidence, ibat when oar of the: sk in ems for the 818 had staled, in smelter to a quern? that be imagined to and en, Mr. Denman had ohjecied, awl the Lord thauerhur had el. tided that the run's imaginal sou Was nut evidence. His °hireling, on the presto* occasion war similar. He cumendid that any conveiestion between the witness sail Kumasi Sae not evidence, and he had losterfir ird, with the view of preventing that frum appeariag un thin mitintes, ninth if it ever were inserted deem, Most be after ward. struck out. Nf the desire of 'he Lord Chancellor, the preceding 'Ora tion and answiT were read, and the last questior aid part skewer wrre reed. The Nubk sod Leaned Lord then expressed a wish that the question should be argued by Comma u belt sides. The therisiopOesieral said, mat - big objee'dui recaving the tosser wbigh the wittiest libd even wd that the Ws vorsatior Wieser him and Itigulti *IS rot deidebbe. • • The die iteliellerAkeeel sheds* Ttie Alareent irhl... penallleastei Qs witness end • strsaproenti net, 11 0 1 1. 14 011 OP 0 . 011 Olen of evidence by abide die Quarts Weir war swami * be rrarival tittles MO as reerniving" dm Wastes. it noel/ Ye &eel th.l itre uses at Rifest' seamed there but osier. eel slat essasith es alis pram obit 4•ll4seteili le sar Naas. — Pre ateenleparegiul issisSed that Me grewirr Ins ma s rim! *se. Tier Lord Cloasseeilor called oa her Majesty's Corwaset to N pport the mrestion isf receiving the evedeme. Broughton said, be was lest to tryst the voodoo ma the grimed of the. former evidence os tossehloa Riaanti.— The effect of what eiidence might be give. lieee4l ee e "e e e.' tog this sosa might better he diecosord afterwords if .weary; but what already appeared in rehttion to bins, sad which would he fowled in page VII of the minuses, was soilicieut to authorise the rectiviug coaversatious with him as evi dence. (Mr. Brougham she. read over She part of the evil deuce referred to, sad proceeded.] Is Appeared here fist Itssitelli himself stated that Itiganti eagle to him and told bias he was to go to the Advocate Vanier/di—duo he went to Vulassrcali the day after, therrf we be wrist I. Volmareati in consespooes of Itigasti's cumin to him. What did Vilniarcati do ? By way of adopting the acts of Rignoti, be essadosed, though out with all the solersaities, desired him to go to Milan, and he woolly went there a day or two after and wes examined. This was sufficient proof of the agency of tiganti su let in the question which hat been proposed. But, with great humility, be soliotiited In their Lordships, that there was an absolute necessity fur openieg the door Its admit nucleate of this deseriptiou ; for, suppose he should move that spat after agnit wept to dif ferent persons and held language of thus sort, " you will get so snuck if you swear so and so against the Queen ;' " yon will get to mach money if you swear that you saw Bergson putting his hand orp the Queen's petticoat ;" what if be should prove that other agents promised money to venues persons for sseariug these false soul scandalous de tails which the *itemises soy they beard of but (non these minders of false lestormay—if be should stew this, although be should be unable to establish the Ilek leetweea lhem awl the Prosecutors or the Milan Cum.. mission, he affirmed that their Lordships would be placed in a most awkward situation if they should resolve to ex. clunk that evidence—being evidence which would of neces sity exercise the greatest intiresice over the mud of ally man in forming his decinun on the passing or nut pastime of this Bill—nay, he would assert thet it ought, iu the very Moment it was beard, determine any men of impartiality to Vole (against it. It Would be therefore most material evi fleece, if it (veld be proved, that a number of prisons were going about through Italy, offering money fur testimony ageism her Majesty, even though the link were wantiug skew the conuestion belly( ea them or his Majesty's Go vernment, who, it seemed, were owe to be cumideied the proweislors. If lie were allowed to establish this of the Milan Cuinmiseion (they were told that it was now not iii. title, though Colonel Brown was still tin list scene of ii), would it ant have the greatest influence over their Lord. ehips' minds? lie thought that their Lordships Mould nut •after that long doubt how thiii thing had beets gut tie; tory • coon perceive by ohom and against *buns the nin epin., had hems got up. le short, this roaster was of the very greatest roommienee. They ebarg.(l • eisuoptrary against her Majesty the Queen ; and though they should not be able to Min it home to Lord Liverpool Or Lord Mr. rowhy, or the other Noble Lords who were now his (teetered ant:igunisle, yet he was sure thct their Lordships would be of opinion, that evidence of the description be bad men tioned 'west to have a must decided intlutwe on every man in and out of the Hosier, in forming his judgment whether this Bill ought or ought not to receive your sanciioor Dr. Lissitinetins lugged to add a word or two to what had been said by Isis Learned Friend. He did out teems to say that Repoli had been moved to have been a general agent of the Milan Commission ; but he should coutred that It was apparent he had been employed under that Commieekin for a particular purpose, viz. the procuring of evidence against the Queen, and therefore he said that their Lordships ought to reci ire evidence of all fans of that nether. The question was, how Ibis Himmel had conducted himself in his employment ? Now if it should he proved that lie bast made promises, offered motley, and betel nut inducements of tither kinds to various permit's to give false evide nce against the Queen, he thought that those w hu had employed hem must be held respousible for his conduct. It was but justice towards McQueen that be should be allowed to give in evidence the acts of Moult, in order that Ise might trace the suborn:nouns of perjury to the Milan Commissioners themselves, who were to be considered responsible for by acts ' and those of every usher creature a hom they had engaged to collect persons to come to England to perjure themselves. Was it not of ins. ',einem* to her Majesty's case if be could chew that al every place whence • witness had been brought, numbers of agents bad been for • length of time residitag, tempting perilous lo come aid velar falsely against her Majesty, makiug presents, mail pronsisieg (livers individuals that they ,hould make-their " fortuue," and " a good day's work of it," if they would come to England as witnesses against the Queen, and per. jere themselves? The witnesses abroad hail been ecorn, though under what minim 'sty be (lid nut know. Ile did not know by what power 1411 oath could hare been administered by agent' sent out to a ("reign country by this Ailiniuistra lion. Would it be theta said that the Governmesit was not mponsible fur •uy act of this Milan C011111111144/11? It could out be. Neither agate could it be nisiistainril, that she Ms. lan Conirniesson was nut answerable for the conduct of nt ganti or any other agent. They gave Win their authority, and adopted his acts, by examining any witness which he sent. l'ltenfore he hoped that their Lordships would be of opinion that the question was relevain, mid indeed essential to the inquiry. He trusted they should be allowed to go on, and then they should chew that agents almost without oustilier bad been employed gulag throngls the country, sick ing fur every person who might have any kuowledge of them: transactions, and remits.; recede of indigent persons he fore the Milne Cumusisuliun to perjure themselves, mud utter wards support their perjury lore. The Atturney-General, in reply, confessed himself ROM , what astuabibed at the beldame of the amenities mode by his Learned Friends sou lbc opposite side; assertions news lived by the evidence, parlietelarly that the Milan Com. IMAM). bad examined or oath. If thi y looked to Ilse evi dence, they would find that leastelli had directly miens he hatlnottakeu ariy oath before the Commission— The Hoe. nod Learned Grotkmar, was interrupted by Dr. Losbington, who referred to the following pusuge in page 224 of the printed evidence of Rage:smut :—" Were you swum r-m Yrii, I took an oath."—" %Vete you sworn on the Gospcii!"-vo. Yes, I took nu oath hi fore the Advo rate Vilmarcati, and dies I kissed the emu which I carry übout me." The Attorney General immediately obarrved, that labia( the whole of this evidence together fairly, their lordships would ace that ltagestioni had out been geseral laugh followed withal' and without the bar, on which the Lord Chancellor rema►ked with warmth, that if ao Advocate were hooked in such a moaner iu stay Court in IYest muialer lie would immediately quit it.) The Attorney-General citations. d Hr insisted the ques tion which had been plot to Hagazziansi was," Are you ready t•, swear to what yuu have said!" to which he replied '• Yes," and then took • out . his CTO4O and kissed it. He would contrite' that tau oath bad been administered by the Combas siun to Ilageseiuni. He was merely asked whether he was ready to swear in a Court ofJostite to what Ise bad Uwe de posed to. His assertiou, however, wee Rood fur nothing, the matter was In be ofttermine.l from the ivideoce ; but be said, that if the case were eassmired‘suto fairly, it would be fulaud that this was the fair softener. 11'Isy did he state Ibis? Henson swiertious were very confidently made, and a•seitiuus which had no rousse:ion wit► the questiust. The question was merely Ibis, whether that sort of agency had nut been fixed or Rigautt, which his Learned Prieto% had twee obliged to admit was necessary to justify the question propoited. Even oath respect to Rested'. their Lordships badmen decided whether be was as 'gest of the Csaimiasiau. But the question our was, with respect to the agency of Iltsgauti shw. It was said be had bees employed to collect readessce; bat where seas the evideeee of this feet The Hos. and Learned Candlemas this read wee dist part of lbt ',ideate of Restelt which eroutpripes the alleged &Obey of Monti, and proved that all which it eats maw was, that Itigaati bad desired a potash ta go be. 14 , olid. L. - sw one- , gwEgino ! ' • fore we ludithiemele 7 the ,411.1111 b i& titiomlikeseeti to call memo (0111084b—IWIli ogre711 'lipoid be ebsaiheraieg 110 shill they Wbesitarenteel pewit/WA Itt hied they Ohl liejtehleil to the eitil itrairy. They wools, be Wins AO, of she protripel 014.0 of tbe itweetiget . i,4l, soul ~111‘ 9"4""""111111111h-rila ititatised Shot beweese ll. oV IIP11111"Ili e person bre• - • 416111161 a1; pent : * ed .1 1: go with a message to another, that then all Ilse ado of that person Isael.beme therefore adopted. by. the Peader, and that tie made himself rospooMble fur all Bre mailed of the other !' The Lord, taiiisiodlur said, that unit 'primed to he she purpumWf the quettium to let in evillest. , a 'beacon of an agent, before the ageary was proved, his dilly relished bins tee declare this, itowieding he the umbras*, rules sod prunes ples of evidence, sack proof could out in that mime of she proem din be admitted. If any Bidet, Lewd differed from him as to his outlets* of the practice of the Courts, .torli Noble Lords were perfectly competent to prepares question, and submit it to On Judge., tv older Si, amertaiu what would be their conduct ill smiler cases in their Coterie, and be (the Lord Chencellor) would fed extremely obliged to troy Noble Lord who woo d put such a question. As lo whlt had occurred wish respect 101141 very quessiun us Saltattlq, though his o•u opiniou was fixed Lebow that, be had felt that perhaps the subject required more deliberation. On that account he could wit but feel much more paitafaction that art opportunity had been offered by a Noble Peer fur • arguing Ow point at grater length. lie would now emit the recollection of their Lordships to what appeared in the evideuce with respect to Itastelli. A *Blum hail been call. eat, isuswitlostanding Hastened absence, mud very properly std justly called (as the Counsel &Ramat the Bill were nut to blame fur Rastelles absence . , ill order to chew that Rastelli had ina le utTers to induce people to give lestienuuy agaiust the %wen. Let their Lordships take it iu soy view that they might choose); but first of all, he derised then that their Lurdships meld out be told on that, uc any occasion, that lore were Noble Lord* sits sag is that Mouse, who euent have ally anxiety to hare that Bill passed. He protested agssast any such remarks or assertions as unusually unjust. If tyro those übseivations, or any such should time from diem, soy of their Lordships, he protested against them. He did nut iuteud to apply Isis reniask• to aist• particular instance; lie was then speakiag purely hypothetically. Ile would asenene all that might be said fur fact—he would suppose that the Guveroment had willingly placed itself is dirt odious condrtiun whirls had tweu attributed to it, of being at once Judges and Proercuturs—he would take for granted what had been said of the Milan Curnmesmoue.s, rod that they and the Government were, as they had situ &berthed the either day, a a jowl stuck company" tie the prosecution —lie uuuld take Art granted that the agency was proved, and that the acts of the agents were adiutssibie, as in that sr.i.e they would be, still there was uu erodeirce mud Itigawti was the agent of airy body. Before the act of the agent could be given in evidruce against the act of the principal, tUr agency roust he established. There were si r. ssi ws)s eif sluing this. First, She principal weight be Lereouglii to make the J JJJ un ; secondly, the agent might give proof f the fact ; mid lastly, any usher persuu might be called to prude it, by chewing the acts of the representative. Let their Lordships consider the suhjett iii these different points of viers. The principal had in this case mode so mita:scion of the agency. The agent was capable sal ruling it, arid a +limas had been iota 1111 l led till that very ',mut. Hut was Isere ally adnu.siun of agency 111 his tvid,.wee fiuppase Kiganll really to have acted MI an ri,ccitil; hail he bee a called to prove the agency? It would be said that they nese put ting a party ',side,' great difficult:re wino toy called on Bain to establish the agency, sit a case where the pi sucipal refused to come furwind, and the agent bad the givaiebt In terest iu delaying lilt IrIMIIVX lOU with the principal, and that tiro in a ease where eels ruabl be pruv.d lb, alleged agency. Be it so, hut were the rules oaf law therefore. to he broken duwu .!* But what ma, the real case ill evidence ? 1.. t their Lordships purr to Rastullre evideuee, and they would bud that 'Lament was persuaded by Name to go be. fore the Mullin Commissium Would it be argued that it was proof of agency that one our had desired another to come before the Milan Cosponsors' ? The Counsel against the Bill acre bound to have called Riganti; sad though they might not have bees allowed lie inquire from any of the wit timers, yet had he been Cuutisel fur the Bell, and had known where Itigauit was be found, Ise would Out have imitable' that kinualedge from the ether side woe atypical after the in quiry was made; he would, imam stionably, hare informed them. But theu it was said, Bud it was not merely the agency Whiell it was attempted to prove 111 ibis Mee, but It was a culiiipirary against the accused. But where was this to cud if wire they let in such evidence? There might be con spiracy uss our side as well as on the other. By this he in. It tided no 10.011410 u ; he never could furalee him self if lie threw any imputatiois oil either party. But still be must say, that cuaspiracy might as well exist on uue side as ton the other. But lour were their Lord. ships to ascertain nu which side it oddly existed r Cer tainly, a great deal snore must be proved thus was yet be. Pure their lordships. The Counsel against the Bill must call some of the agents, at whoever hazard, to their case; they most contrive to lay a better froundation tur admitliug tire evidence of a cunspiracy Blau at present existed. He repeater!, that he should feel happy if any Noble Lord, who differed from his opinion of the principles of evidence, *meld put a questimi to the Judges. Throughout the whole of the proceeding, h. had acted in da retrace to the lemming and experience watch surrunirded him. And though bin eiwu uptown wall filed, lie 611.11111/ take it as a great trvomr, if any Pete WIMP 41111eled from it would erode to am the question at rest, by vellum fur the opinion of the Judges, as to what would be the practice la the Curestair beluw is similar eases. Earl Grey said, that sheet he proposed tier question upon which the objection had been taken, be had dune it after ma ture reconsiderstiou of what had passed us Saturday had convinced him that the evidence bail bees improperly •x. chided. He felt that his question was open to the objertiou of the Attorney-Geurial, who did no more than his duly in urging that objection. Of the manner is which that uuty had been discbargol, he (Earl Grey) had uo reason to com plain. That objection had, after ample and very able argument, been completely confirmed by the opinion of the Noble and Learned Lord on the Woolsack.— lle feared that hr might nicer the imputation of undue pertinacity, if, after all that be had heard, he should state that iu his own opinion the question ought to be pail. The staieenent of the Noble and Learned Lord, as to she anti oaiy rule and practice, was certainly right. There cured be no question that such as the Nobler and Learned Lord had represented it would be the practice of those Courts. He had nu wish to try the worth of the opinion of the Noble and Learned Lard oil rules of evidence by referring a ques. titan to the Judges. He •as perfectly ready to admit that the question, according to the strict and technical rules of e cadence, remold not be put in the Courts below. But the question tut their Lordships was, whether they were to be bound by lb& practice of ordinary occasions in those Cowls, wheel particular circumstances not only authorised, but de mauded a deviation from their rules He bad given it as his opinion in the beginning ut the proceeding that the House ought to confine itself as strictly as possible to the admitted rules of cvideoce in the Lower Courts. But their Luedships reserved the right of departing fruits those vulva if particular circumstances should arise to justify that 4e. parture. The question was, if they were au situated at w aled as to he uuthorised to else that diacrelsou which hail bees' so reserved It was admitted on all hands that general agency had nut been peuvedose Riganti, but these Lurslships were 10 look at the naliere of the meanly before awns. A Bill of Nilsson., Penalties was (nought, as it must be sup. pond, by liar Government—it was supported by evidence collected under their authority, and by this severe and anomalous proceeding it was proposed not only 0 de wier the Queen of all bee rights and 1014/1101111,11, but besides tint to inflict infamy on her family. He would ask R their Lordships carte mot peculiarly hatind to see that the evidence bronchi was not only nueuspi. clout, but unsuspected? And whew they had it in proof that perking bad actually been engaged in 'Jerboa witnevere rewards to indite* them its appear is support at the Bill, could it be assented that because there was su pouf of the cusuiesioa between the mahatma principal is thee inearmare and the agent, that the evidence would maim eases petted ? They bad it ia prod that Miami retailed Itaatalli to go before Hie Mika Coatailailes, sad la eds. 4 6 ' -AMP `l.4*_:_4 ..~ ... . - . • S. • . . felonies al that he west. TN it should be peeved that this Itignieti (he tested the ewe hypothetieally) had pa t to say other witness. and at Dowse thee Of other de. sired blab In go before the Niles CUOININAIII, to kiwi, " if you give • particular kind of testinioay you shell have • gnat reirava," he would sok. if such proof of it Awl( nsn4 Rol miaSevially street the &vinous of then Lueilthipt: eifergalled Ila gift ,fddletist so lbelhilt elr clarified that Mere was si• roof of general agency ; be ad. silted the oppesitioa of ordirfory rides of evidence malmsey WY a to the orinsiaskia of •oeh• toeiraowy ••. that whiells ihey *idled t• Maio by putting the gerilinii. Dui one% a owe had bees snede out, that. if Ilcol and este. tdoshed by fortheir testimony, most essorrioce their Lordships that a temptations had been offered lo amber.. • wittieaa to give false transitorily against the %t Nes. lie stoteeivt.l that, tinder these rbetssnalatioes, she evidence was perks -11 1 ad nsiaisible. The Noble eat Learned Lord had very learned) , ex. poootdool the priseipi srnfevidenre do what he supposed to be 'ignitor eases in the Coorts below. Thank God! these were n„ similar room. He was 111110401 ilith.lnird to be found from the Noble sod Learned Lord at the table on gut , ' •• plaelieri Lot reeling. sts be ed, that there *creek( e. whirl' jissiitied the ponirolar logairy which be rt col, Ise mots be excused roe Nitt penning his opierio,•, [mumble one, and perhaps nut the opisiou of arty wine V. e, is that Hons., that his yiesoilla was admissible. liis iit , ‘ wsah 51 *hoot the preen:door was, that the rpierttp 7 i atiahl be loom alit before she public is the clearest lo most satisfsrtory onaosetr one way us the which roii!ii um ttr if they soffer.oi au grave a ease to go by nuileht,el, tows fled, ontexansioed. Agai• be experseed his defrreocr to thejudgaxent of the Noble and Learned Lord ua the Wool. sack. He admitted Heat the Noble nod Leal tied Lord !lad Wiled the rules of the Courts below with exacta's's, yet lie could 1101 think that their bireltliilis nimbi helloing rittht to confine tin esschts strictly to tbuse rubs to the prestos: iiistatore. The Earl of Liverpool mad, that if any doubt existed a. to the effect of the law of reirleace on the care, it weal.. be Lest settled by referring a question to the Judges; hut iitelerstood it to be a general admission, that the epinion the Attorney Geiser's!, congealed by the Noble and Learned lord as to the leactice in other Comte, was cornet. Th. the,, name t the question of kpeciallity. Helot wile ;fie 'tulles ler rirriaretauces of the eds.:, which ought to infiec e the House to depart from that admitted usual Coarse of p r ,. et riling Before he examined ;hit question, hr am. ii just observe, it must be moot swkwa.d f r !her Lordship. in that stage of the proneaing, after hae. r . r bens eroded throwahout by the common roles of ....• dente, to alter their condors and adopt anothe r rw e It was nut admitted in the croto-1 of tneir proceeding as a in utter of positive right that they should coofilte there.. am strouly to the twin of the lower Courts. Oro the , as tiny wile aping in tin: •Nertise of legi.latiee as !suction, it was 511151.1 i.nesionble to sat 0. .4t they might ma to in their iuyoiriee . Furese. 1-g and judging of the hiII:MVO its ore wfirels might an.. NO wide an areeille of those functions, it tonal advisable by ils. ir Lord-hip. lit otaaa.kie liae , a- • . by the 'corral practice of the haws of the c.01.t.r, Would their Lordships at this ..lenueed stooge another course with reference to a pal titular 1a.., case might tried to interminable into le For at :. • Ohilles Wed that not only as to , t. other, might they be reasouality requested to I part f:•• that rule whieb had hitherto liens blames that !bey might nut to be bound by nice and teetooe ti jertions i but this was no nice anal tsclin.ral .4. 1 . it was an objection founded OM the very ••. • a of justice. When they were called on to j. o h~. n f ripals by the acts of their agents, they osir.l•l to Ise ~r. lain as to the proof sit the agency, far Ilats a obvious that a pasty labouring under ii fro , • tie. is the proof of their innocence, heal a ~.,• re ii'a slid easy course to pursue fur escape than lo ch•r e • the other side with cen.piracy, after having dole s.: about layiug the grimed work of each charge carhop. far their own practices. lie could conceive no prosciple m... • clear, more Olurinela SO es4ll/1011 moose nod to the in,,., :or professional mind. He would Net go Into any pro-tient, application of his remarks. The evidence Sheered that It.- genii had told Raisselli to co to Vtlinareati, not with any particular message even, but simply to go to the Italian Advocate. If that were to he a•sittned as evidence of itt • agency of Riganti, they would violate every v . :oriole nr ivy still ofsabataetial justice. lie agreed with the Noble Lor sisal when they came to the ju.latnent of the rise, and 4 eousider the whole of the etrideute prnaile , J, it woui.l I. their duty to r.ject all doubtful testimony, not pet it Lela.. entirely, as much as if it wore not io the hook. Tlery could only pass such • Bill spun llo• most clear and in. ria-puinble lest 'musty ; and if the preamble slim u1:1 rou• nut to be reseed by evidence admissible to every Mille', the Bill ought not to pass. They ought to look at the evidence must sessile:wilily, sod strike out from their minds any part of it which was at all tainted. The Noble Lords opposite had shrwn tbesaselve• desirous to have the Milan Comanisaiou probed to the bottom. He (Lor.l Liver pool) had no objection to that investigation. But he must say the least coneenieut course which the House could adopt for that purpose would, in his mind, he liar memo.' proposed of letting is that inquiry side-ways. Their proceedings costal sot bet be torch embarraned ly Ilre ac companiment of such au investugstiou. !At that Commis sion be inquired hoe uss its saill grounds, when the noose would wet he shackled as at present by technical modes or inquiry. He could sot agree that the question of the Kahle Earl was one which, Se the present sitrettons of the Hoase, ought to be put. Lord Erskiee gave the Noble Earl fall credit for his de termination to guide his judgments no the Bill by she clearest nod must indisputable evidence. The only question with him was, whether the question proposed by bps Noble friced was not necessary to delermisie what was indisputable test:. missy aged what was not! As to the argument of the Noble Earl, that it was too late to alter the rule which had ha heft.. guided them, he admitted that unless he (weld shew that the rule was inepplinsble to the particular raw, and that the whole proceeding was plated its a totally different light from that in which it lad stood all along, the rule ought not to be departed from. He felt great satisfaction in not brier rose of the Peers who had been supposed by the Noble and Learned Lord on the Woolsack to differ from hini, and who bad therefoie been invited to refer a question to the hedges. The Noble awl Leaved Lord had stated the rule of law most correctly , but be bad not givers any opis atom which sheered them why, in this panic:taw instance, they ought mot is depart from the ordinary roles. He bussed that he should be clearly isoderetood, and that if he stated any thing irregular he should be called to seder be their Lordships. The Noble and Darned Lard took this up ponsatity of correeting a mirtake which bad gone forth as to what he had said ate fume, period o f this Aldan Commission, It was impossible for him. the whole of his pool life proved it to be inspossilsk, that he could have said any Wog to the direct disparagement of the Milan Contsolsoloo, ensifted and asemosisied as were the whole of tie affairs of that Consatiosina ; on the contrary, he had bag been iutimato with Mr. evoke., sad for the present, at least, he had no mason to suppose bat that the other sesitkutets who sold with him wile equally Avant and respectable • bad said was, that had the Commissioa been COIN pos. a • S . angels', issatead of honest men, the evidence beer corrupted before it reached them. The use et questios was 10 enable the NNW In ore hot Far ii bad been corrupted in ise source. That Itigauti bad nose been proved to be as agent, we far that by his conduct he in volved his principal, ass true I hot the net of the principal was mot Oben an oostaust. Rigawll esker, Ibtateili to down tad be exantiord by the Mike Comitirtilots, and lee went accurillarly. lie admitted that this was not enouz... to prove that itigaati ass oh(' agest of the connotation. Bat thee could they Inhere that lists man bestow motive offered to bins to go there when asked by Rigauti to got surely at must he alasitied that Rigasti somehow or other was in fluent Is take as interest in procuring testimony. Levin y irks the particulars of such a fact ought to be ailmitted. It would he foe their Lordships to determine, when they canoe Is pispoonwee their judgments, if the interest whisk Rig.ull took was a corrupt and profligate bt-rest. The object or the "motion was, to fears what induced kigaisti to be so bony—to lamer, in skeet, if any toospiracy had bevel at tempted. lithe inquiry shooold prove that there was no eon spitaey, it wunkrees at all affect their Lordships' lodgement. If proof were offered of large promisee, and now& held