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APO :I. thaw/chi mew dram amens memory. Al to the pecaliar character of the ametteure before them, he was sot prepared so say it was the very best that could be devised; bat it retried to hiss she ' , emit, of souse immediate relief was se strung, that it world Sot be advisable to wait to order to God sat the astral 'Scams, reined,. The ..... e now proposed bad, however, Ibis claim. to. their support, that it bIIA bees tried before with esteem,. The only question thew to he considered was, whether, admittiag its Necessity, it was safe to introit this power In the hands of the Executive Go. viessaest. Oa this swhitset be felt no besitatirus swat bad iota/wed, sad Illioisters bad Watered a fearful, re speitsibility ; he. if he warlersiosid his Noble Priced (Lord lorerpwil), be admitted the retreat, of Wesley I. thermoses ficesiee late the state of Irelitod, and eritbesse aims ameratiee he should sot an freely aegoiesee la the present awasores. It appeared to Ms that 'Mem dimes baneta arose flaw muses ass °levies*, bet from the whale frame of so. City. This would be 4 very At staiject foe path •mie..tary iaveetigation. And feeling that Ministers, by pr..poaistr this amasser, and by the co•Adeace reposed is them by Par- Lament, bad pledged themeelvee to so limoiry late the stale el Ireland, be mold out withhold his support. Aid when be wandered that impression of kindness sad truly royal twain is the memorable letter addressed by Lord Sidnsouth, is the name of hie Majesty, to the Lord Liemenalit, on his ileparture from irelaod, be thought it expressed no lei the oginiun of the Goveromeat that of the Sovereign, and be woo induced to hope that some postigio of that spirit would ...strut the sullemee of the extreme low proposed. I. that rouviction, and the permission that no meaning leas Meows could tranquillise the montry, be gave the ropmed sea. sure Fitmentsl decided sepport. The Earl of DARNLEY said, if be did net express his eieisent Cans the pretest Bills is she strongest laitgoage he wits capable, it evisced a degree of cosidence is the Adrni. •Sistratton which be Was oat is the habit of reposing is them. It was sow several soothe since dine disturbances rommeneed; they begs. is autumn, and bed bees store progressively iserestsleg in a decree that called for the &t -reenail of Ocivernment. He thought that Ireland presented as appearance that latcht well bare mode Ministers pause before obey proirseted the period for calling Parlienteat ; sod now gorldealy they were called wpm to suspend the or. dere of the Hewer to paws the mama measures. With re. specs to the decongests us the table, it sppesred to him that the violence complained of was moaned to the peas enemy of Cork; and whatever oeteseity there might be to istrodoce martial law lute that eetiely, he saw so reason why it sitsuld extend over the toilet martry. Of the Magistracy of Ire. land it would not beCOMIN his.. to speak with disrespect; but from lams which were sullicimitly notoelows, from she us jaw religious diseinctiento which existed, sod from the satire state of society, be wooled ask, was it wise to lamest them with melt extensive power?—(Heir, bear, bear.)—As to the lowerreciion Act he desired their Lordships to lake the character of It from a pamphlet which bad lately appeared, written eiremiagly by a very admirtag &Mad of Ministets, some mid by direction of Aliaisters themselves. 'lbis he did sot believe, eoemeiviag tballneedesty, if so other motive cold, meet have restraieed them Ingot giving such • deecriptien of themselves use their steamers to the ßatios. i be biNac inn writt,m by some very aesisius hired, who ewe videred ultras all wise, all virtuous, all politic i■ their de- vitas, and all vigorous sad prudent is the executing tit vbeis. These were the words used by i►. author ia regard so the insurrection, and in reply to the ari uneau of the Irish Magistracy who bed called on alististers to grant the provisions of it in HMO: " Nur was there any (Meg is the climax-ler of those extroardinery messores to reconsmeted their adoption epos their owe menu. Experience bad -taught the lire character of this system. if it put down the evil fur she present, it elserished its renppearsoce with istreased malignity fur the &tore. It pat out the Ire by kickssg about the brands. It ropneaed the disterbauce fee the time, hot provoked retaliatimg posmoss which afterwards -broke oat with (stressed omen's. His Majesty's Mists ters acted ender these prisciples. They saw the Decently of doing something for the Irish people I. Ms way of grades' discipline, it was more coasouant with their persoisal feet. togs So conciliate than to eamace,• asd lIIIMUIig means equally efficient fur she same end, so prefer those of Malty, modem sod forbearame." With what sorpeim did be sow bear from the Noble Earl. us his mils pars, sod ea that of the Nuble Marco* who*, wishes h; had .sated to the Hower, that this very Let, so charaelerionl r woo row bee. come the best, the only winos of poitiog ■s cod to the Juorsiers et Ihel cooLtry: Boa there was wowe sod .1111 strouger reprobation given to it by the same publication. lu cousiderioig the question ma to whether other dictum stances might sot arise to require the renewal of that Act, the pintphiet went on to state—" It would be contrary to the benevolence of Government to resew the Insurrection Act. Is it forgotten that this statute is almost the Curfew Act of King William? It forbade the inhabitants of the dimurbed districts to be shiest from their houses from sun-net to sue-rise. It established a perpetual &newts, computed, net of Judges, but of Magistrates. Every perms apprehended might be taken en the spot to this Sessions, tied without a grated jury, or a petty jury, on the sole opt bier of the Magistrates of these Sesmunr, be condemned to transportation fur seven years. But will it ever be objected to a British Ministry, that, Nader the ibfleeace of another sys tem of government, and personally arcostomeal to an &dim aistratiun upon different proseiplee, they felt 0 natural re !attains to renew the provisions of so Act of this kind, and that they were slow to invest themselves wit► this tresses- Imam power ?" Then with a circusispectoess sad humanity which, if genuine, world bate done them honour, the conclu *ion drawn by the writer was—" They could sot forget that irittaud had suffered much Ender the erroneous system of former times, and that in the escrows committed by her po pulation, there was touch to commiserate as well as I , i pa ▪ In that sentiment of humanity he most cordmUy agreed; to that feeling of boassaity be celled on the House to consider the fate of Ireland; in the name of humanity, of the laws, of all that was dear to them in the Guestitutioa ; la the name el the possibility which remained of saving irelsad, he ins plated their Lordships to turn •ad bestow some attention on the miseries and oppressiumi of that people. II was said that this was no lime fur tesdering measures of coaciliatioa never was there • more proper tune for couciitatio• ; never could there be a time more opportune for considering the closes of the disease than while the paroxysms were raging, es as to make it necessary to suspend the Guntitatiou, and invest the Magistracy with discretionary powers. He re minded the Noble ffiscmust opposite (Sidinoutki), that when holding • responsible situation, be bad put • palishon to his Majesty into his (Lord SiJnioutles) hands, praying that under the circumstances which were jest then Lames to be so wulregeously worlds( In Irelsod, his Majesty would be pleased I. co nvene Parliament to take the state of that country into consideration at the earliest pe. nod which might be coseisient. It was natural that the gentry of Ireland skald wish the Parliament to meet, and that they should look up to it confidingly for re. drew. But they had not sought the convening of Paella. meat with a view to reemerge of coercion. bode measures were not is their roterration et trines; on tie cosi they thought me sifts mom proper for searching int* the canoes of the prevail/mg disordors,andstirsistisir The emirates had then bet eerily meimmeeed ; his Ma. jesiy bad jest returned from his visit; they teen that his greet heart mast be solaced by the great mid cordial warmth of his recepeirso, sod that they nook! sot be wring la ask. tog him to memo@ Parliament to consider the ihotresoss at Inland. The extatisee 011ie evils was sow no longer matter • al doubt. The eons themselves were attribotable to a rimy of causes. To discover the int sad most remota of llama muses, the, must recur back, perhaps, to the arm foes. lag gained there by the gaglish : awl thee racial the poll. ties' history of the cavalry outwards, they would Nis, that instead of ales mops eta civilising sod eivitishia policy being observable, Moro was only an salter= sneension of galling • tyranny—rem of bloodshed sod opproosims, snorted by my change eacept in oho mode of iallectioa. The most peaceable sad contented periods werowsly thews of remissive from a row of dreamt mast and oppressive asetweran. Va. less those oppeemisss war* removal sow, Ow opportunity foe retrieving the mere of the past would be lost for ever. It would be impossible to keep Ireland tranquitn—lt would hi Itikeit to keep Ireland at those up. retook*e were not unmoved. la an earlier and a dif. Lees* mealtime of society it sight lore base per MN.—lte *sold leers wisdom, policy * sod littssealky, • At of ebe josestets. I. loess liaised by kfte. eel So pit . duty to Feta. tiiiiiseela'sllll they eagle . M . ops eaxime_SO _Meer , the causes of Ilse gee Om -- titei iieilir Mew iiiem A Or quietieg !relied. Wet:C offer so opposition to the pre feet sesames, being iolleesiced so to tat from the aecesaity which he felt foe putties down the present disterbeeres. H. hoped that the Bourse of a few weeks ',mad give an oppor tunity fur going fully Into the question of the slate of Ireland; "meanwhile, If other measures were necessary to quell the existing evils, he would willingly concede the powers ewes sary for applying them. But he implored the Hume not to pet off soy Imager se efficieut inquiry into the causes which eit inevitably prolonged those evils. He felt that he should sot have done his duty if be had said less on the subject. Marquis CAMDEN was not aware till rectally that Guvereaseat iutended to pass these Bills in the course of the wet k. He did not complain of this want of Information on his own part. He was ode of thine who emeidered that the 111,11•101•11 were nut too 1110011 brought forward. If Parlia meta had met souser, and these seemeres had bees brought ' forward, Parliament would not have refused the powers sow asked. However, as they were brought forward, he took Misleads , oppuftweity of declaring his readiness to give them his entire sopped. Ile was quite sure, however un satisfactory is principle, ilim these measures must pass in order to pet dews the prevailiug disorders in Ire laud. He thought the description given of the Bills by the Noble Lord opposite meta*. The Magistrates could nut exercise the powers given She, without Ike concurrence of * ILiogb datimel s or Sericite', or an Assistant Barrister, who wan to isejeleed it the &anions with them. It was dangerous to grant noel powers—he admitted it; hut the rircernasamew domeeded it. M es of cunciliatium might be proper, 1 Nal almaald nail be mixed up with these. Such was his coma ' Asiee le the Noble Marquis at the bead of the Irish Govern itilet, that he would valiantly give barn say powers he might deem necessary to put dime the disorders raging Owe. He was very willing that the slate of belied should r hi s am ehe i eri on tiently considered. He hoped that some calm sod ate person would soup brio' oe the question, and Mire thews an opportunity fur discussiug it at length, that (hay might rightly understood She causes of the distresses etemplaineel of, and apply the proper remedies. Lard ELLENBOROUGH readily comereed with the MAW Earl opposite, that when the House was on fire the only coesideratims might to be bow to pet wit the flame; but the lemma the flame was extinguished they ought to look into whet bad caused it, and take care to secure • proper remedy. He had urger addressed the House epos any former occasion, nor hail lie ever before given • vole with so much pale. He hut read the papers en the table with astonishment and grief. He could not have supposed It possible for the Marquis Wellesley to have sent home 18 pages of dispatches, reciting the verities outrages which had takes- piece in Ireland, without oue allusion to the causes •Itich had originated those excretes. He had hogell that from the Noble Earl at the bead of the Treasury dot would have heard something of • statesman-like exposidae of the *Were and causes of the evil complained of. He W mot express the astonishment sad mortiAmition he at the entire want of all elucidation both is the dim g -s lilies of the Noble Marquis and the speech of the Noble . With grief sad reluctance be felt compelled to gore mite for the Bills. He knew that rebellion was sot to he Willed with, and that lawless teasel( must be repelled by lawful violence; but here be felt himself at • loss lee W. ilirmatioa. He found by the dispatches that outrages 1818 WM emetelfted in mum parts, because, as it was a b l ea l 111::wee aell neatiset military force—us others, sifitury foam was withdrawn. What had Government 'done with the forces, when, as it muieared from the papers, there was oar disturbed district of more then forty mike Is which there were nut present as many a• forty soldiers? To what parrot were laws to be passed witless Ministers would use foreatemegh to put them iu full tioa if necessary ? it was not mooch to seed • few troops into • disturbed pro- Were to remain a few days or weeks. They must quarter them r oil :soothe, perhaps (or a year ur two together, to do atm meet good. There was an elasticity its the spieled' rebellion there whirls would "pang up as room as they with. dire the compressive force, velem WWII down by contimi- l' ewe. Bet sante he admitted the general necessity of pass. lag these measures to settle present disturbances, he trusted litme monsetbiag else world speedily be dom. Mach pea*, primps deservedly, had bees given to the Marmite 1 ; but be meat say that the demand for the Habits • .Lt pas Suspension and lestirrectioo Acts savoured of the .. k , lice. of very COMM.. statesmen. If the Noble Marquis sped sheet with time 'sesames, and did not as absolutely mod as investigation hats the causes of Ma disorders, be (Lord Ellenbueough), however reluctantly, most retie tthe opinion of the latest' mad energy of the Noble iemela, which at present he was so glad to hold. He iatiosai among the preatineet measures of necessary dmicilialios, the passing of a Bill similar to oats which had been in discussion in the late Sessitia.—(Probably •OS Catholic Emancipation Bill.]--He had never coast. Sited that Bill as a sovereign remedy fur all the evils Mader which Ireland laboured ; but it seemed to him le he the hest fumedstioe fir a new system, which, es it geohi be more jest, would secure more waling obedience S. **lawn. With this view be had always supported it, and always would du so. Them were other topics connected with Irish grievances, which he trusted there would be am ple opportunity to disco's. He could not close his remarks without adverting, in a word or two, to the tithe system. He knew the difficulty of dealing with It; he hems bow bard it wee to make those most interested feel the difference be tween whet was absolutely necessary sod what was highly desirable. The commutation of Irish tithes was a matter of great ditlikehy ; but it was absolutely necessary, and it was mot impossible to effect. He called on Ministers to take the subject into their consideration. He was induced to do es from all that he had Weed, or read, or thought ea the *object, sod from that he was convinced that it was areas wary far the lasting poste of Ireland. He again repeated that be bad never given a vote with more pais; and that be was drivers to it from the necessity of immediately putting doom :shelties; at the save time he pressed it ou Minis tate to consider the real slate of Ireland—to press the sub ject". the immediate smote°. of Parltamtut, and institute allillerei of elfeeteal redress. Lord RISDIVIDA LE observed, that mooch had ion said i* disparagement of the genial character of t►e Irish ma glairsey. llhollered ►is own testimony from abeenstiese he had made when bolding an Irish ogler, t►at the Oovernaieut there ►ad freirecully esideasoured to get the nine respecta ble people to undertake the magisteriel once% ►ut is van. The reason cosemnly given was, that the gnat people in she osightemschood would mut daily support them la the attic' dia. charge of thine duties. (leder all t►e circumstances, the Magistracy wen chases then as well as it was passible for Goveremeat to choose then The main mintief then was a spirit of laeorrectios against she execution of the laws. In ked anew hod rendered due obedient , to the laws. It was the complain of Sir Joho Davis, in Hieing* asthma I. and U nussimed lanais hour. Who was is fault; 1111,every body —rich amd poor, high and low the evil was general. There was or renter kable teedney in the lower Irish to disobedient ; but there was a dispiriting in some classes to excite what ever laeliaatisa they had that way. Perkasie's* asset coo tone some mietworee for restraisieg the upper classes within deo bona& of law, and by that use... teeth the poor ha look up for protection to the law. He had land the Irish people most erosible of lindens mad fair Oceanian. Act justly by them they would act justly is return. Owe subject mefonosately divided them. How that subject, which he would set more paslicula►ly same, ought to be disposed of, he !new met. It was difficult to change the msnaleoty of enee's minds es that particular sobjeet ; but If they could scene gamest obedieuce to the laws, the spirit of insubordi motion most natio Many none ►ad contributed to pro duct the missies disorders. The first mitlemerte of the Kay la* then were not auspicious so trasqnsliity. They had hew followe♦*y men of policy which bad mot improved the friendly lesSege of the poetise. Tho evil woo eel die malt of sot ottomoi, bet of all Mei Well dose sod bad lien dome by pm, superior t 4 the military. she eeersioke. tale ja 401 4.1'41404 donee ' git t ►• re Sam us '4O wo ' he etas ire, one of the 'alive/tied expeessoa hie high adml the contusiesioe contaitied upwards of lieu of the icy of the country. Let their 110611110tniagine he the effect of such a magietraey le swayiug the the people to obedience to the laws. The Irish void do the seine. jet them convince the poor filet their grievances shoold mileessed.4.lef.them begie, or show a disposition to begin to email the tempera time Irritated people, sad it would do moth. There was an un fortunate habit which prevailed is Ireland—high and low— among all classes, of considering their offspring under a err. !aim age as unfit objects of coercion. The first thing dose by • peasant after the child was thought at to bear chastise ment, was to knock down the child perhaps a dui times going. From these mistaken feelings the children went without due iestraiist, in the first instance; in the second, they received it in a manner which went is awakes reseal meet rather then induce submission; and from this was very naturally derived, in the subsequent stages of their lives, • general disregard to, or disobedience of the laws; sod the source of the disorders was lobe found in the oppres sion which rose out of the multiplied letting of lands. He had persuaded • friend of his, while is lielasd, to get rid of the ioterneediate tenures of kis estate, so less than five in slumber, and let the fetus to them:copier as chief lessee. He thought some measure might be adopted by Parliament for duieg away the abuses of onder.leiting as they related in Ire. land, and to relieve the occupier from the oppressive dis tresses to which he was subjected in the recovery by the owner of the rents. He thought it might be advisable to assimilate the law and role or tenures in Ireland to those of England. He &fended the premed Lord Lieutenant from the insinoatios offered sgaiese)remi Had that Nottle Mar. "sleet once proposed any measoirem especific and certain re medy fur the disturbances which mom hem distant and cont panted comers, he would have proved himself unworthy to be trusted with those additional powers which it was the Ifilootion of Parliament to giant, and altogether unfit to ad- Moister the affairs of that country. He had thews his roma eMy sod the judicious vigbor of his misd in first seeking the imens of putting an end to the disorder", and reserving other measure till the completion of that object world allow time for deliberation. Lord HOLLAND felt that some apology was due from him for detaining the House, as he very cordially .`reed with much of what had (outgo from the Noble and Learned Lord, and almost all that had fallen from his Noble Friend near hies (Lord Elleaborough). He would nut have tuna tared on the I.:revalue of those sentiments which he so fully felt, be would not have visited the placing the ergo. meats of the eloquent speech of his, Noble Friend in worse language before the House, had it not beep for Ile misfor tune of • little differentia which reweesned'himself and his Noble Friend, together with the Noble and Learned Lori—namely, in the vole which be was abciet to gl•e. One Noble Lord bad begun with stating, that he felt the moral constitutional jealousy of Government as to conceding Bills of thitt kind. $0 far all wee well. He had heard him with *series declare in the west semester, that Ilisdattra should have his wire support. With much more appear save of humanity, and with feelings which did hire great Ito sour, did the Noble Lord who followed declare, that be was compelled to vote foe the Bills from the oveeseity of the ease, though be did it with grief and mortilleation. He honoured the motives of his Noble Friend. Could lie have felt soy such motives he would have takes the same course; mold be have persuaded himself that these Bills would re medy Iheevils complained uf, he would vote fur them, and do that for once, which, as an Englishman valuing the liberties purchased for him by his forefathers, he would be most reluctant to do. He also had a constitutional jealousy of the Bills, which would compel him to vote against them; sod yet, though his vote would correspond with the tenor of his whole political life, be had rot ea solved on it without hesitation, and he would have to give It with grief and pain. It was impossible to deny, after all the testimony adduced, there did exist a spirit of inserree , lion and lawless outrage, which must he aupp.essed by force. He was not only ready to admit the evil and the necessity of remedying it by force, but he might even admit that od dities.' laws were required to complete that object. He could concede as large powers le the Marquis Wellesley LI he would be willing to trust to the heads of any Governor. He was ready to acknowledge, without haven ever had any political connexion with the Noble Marquis, sad having never enjoyed any personal intimacy with him, that there wee so one to whom he would more willingly treat the re qeisite authority and powers fur en ppressing the insurrection. He had disagreed with the Noble Marquis on public •ffitirs occasionally ; but of the vigour and talents of that Noble. man he had always hitherto preserved one opinion. He hoped that he should still hold it—he hoped that further cu. mtutsiances would not compel hies to abroidost it. Bet, leek's( as the measures now called for, together with the papers on the table, and the speech of the Noble Earl op. posit?, he felt uurertsiu as to what might happen. Had the Noble Earl come does with • single sentence directly from the Noble Marquis, to satisfy the House that the Marquis thought them accessary, and that they were likely to be ef fective in quelling the tumults, be was not sure that be would net have voted them. But ne such statement had been proffered as coining directly from the Noble Marquis. The Noble Earl contented himself brining down the mere asseative of the °straw% as remitted by the Marquis, from which ea indtrect inference was framed by the Noble Earl that the Lord Lieutenstst parttculnrly required these measures. As It was, the House was left to exercise its judgment on the case as it lay before them. Its so deleg, and preserving dee deference lo the opioiun of the Noble Lord, it did nut seem to hint that there was any thing to satisfy the House in pass. big these measures. The Noble Earl hid eudeavoured to convince theme, by *very sew species of metaphor, that when the house was on fire, they must only consider how best to put out the flames. New then, to follow up this Sayre with arguments of their own (the al inisters)used upon this very subject—if a man were to come anti tell him his house was on Are, and then propose to put it out "by kick. lag about the brands," it would seem a strange sort of re medy. He would be ready to say to hiss, " I du not rightly, comprehend your plan—though as • Ire man, or an architect, must obey your judgment, sad take the steps you propose. It seems to me that a ready supply of water would do more to estiuguish the t il , of which there seems tube a great dearth." So, looking at the papers on the table, the want seemed to be that of military foree—of physical strength... sad not of laws to oesseliaollio application of it. He would call the attesties of the House to a few particu. lark to *hew the correctness of what be had said. If it could be shows that its those pails of the coon. try where there was enough of military fume, of phy sical street/Ih, that violence bad been suppressed, that torbulenee had been kept down, that would shew at once the means must proper to be adopted to put tout the flames. Their Lordships would God that in the province of Leineter, the breaking forth of the outrages nee in one place Pre vented by the police beilut in sufficient force and activity, and in the country west of Limerick, the peace was said to base been preserved because there was euongb of military force to awe the insurgents. Now for the converse. In the county of Tipperary, is owe plate violence was said to have broken out because the military there was withdrawn toe speedily, sod the district left open to the resurgent*. (Hie Lordship) specified • few other Wetmore*, which went to esta blish his aigument.] in nu rase could be find any complaint of the want of the powers of the Insurrection Aet. In Mr. Wilson's letter from there was • word on the sub ject, and a wish fur the Insurrection Act was expressed. In all the others the burden of the song was " troops"— , " force." be well.dispoaed population must be as anxious as soy pertains fur the removal of the evil, bat none of them • appeared to have asked for the Insurrection Act for that pur pose. The words used in one part were, " unless some strong measures were adopted, and the police augmented, sod the old military statioss again occupied, it will be in vain to I oek for tranquillity to be restored." This nattsrprove an inade quate remedy. It was is vain to invert persons with the powers to be granted by the Bills in districts where the complaint was the west of adequate force. How wets the rebellions to be restrained by the power to be gives to the Magistrates . to transport them at pl foe seven yeses, whets there sad keep Aeon sli iligesok'N alsiost it by *lwo shot Am Is au i With weep ealltioes of popistaltoo II Itooscoelpilso Wpm- It it were psi sible. They most begis with orsowder sod bubblier ma. 'ion of the ip soree‘they loom res .q the preseol despoditar Old 1111.011111 to pay doe ill swells of seeming Ireland, esd resort to *of holtlee slues, she mak fled with prieeiples of boosaity sad woad policy. pa. is Yorkshire, tars to the . sobjees, be tarsi admit that objectionable the r atios that tb seessem proposed are, they were the le ft ( which coon 100 richest Miry adopted soder the eireenstssees; bat though 1 ` the Hesse shy mom be was on lee sod they were bound as the lest duty to pullout mistle of the dreg mot torte etraugh to arrest these r BM rid USW no effect Its intimidating meets reseed% to see Mi Let the Moot figure to lovelies sitiporam a. di0.6..= elreomstaaced. The Magietralles melllpMel that 184 I • strength Is'eureqsal to the Wee oplimed to them. g i o lfill pp:e a Magistrate, upon good Information, ping to the house of • peasant engaged in these snaraadiag excursions—lbroffen. der is already acquainted that the Magistrate, if he sakes him, bps power to transport hint for seven years, without Judge or Jury, witbo•l any customary form of trial; for they might talk as they pleased of the presence of an 'seismal Barrister, or King's Counsel, or Serjeant. He contended that to any man who knew the Constitution of England, and was capa ble of understanding the uses of its jurisdiction, sad that knew the' value of trial by jary, such qualifica tions were all vague, aimless, hypocritical cant. The measures were is every point and , degree hostile to the coostitutional Interests of the country. What was there, be would sok, to induce an offender, who bad succersfullyren tended with the lawful sethorittee of the country, trendily . and easily to submit and be captured by a Magistrate, whom lie knew to be isvested with powers which were enmesh to shut out the previously exisitug chances allowed by the I forms of trial to escape the gripe of the law ? The want en der which the Magistrates laboured was not • want of power, bet • want of physical strength to 'orrice obedience to 11.- 11 ought never to be forgotten, it was an argument always to be kept is mind by • Senate or Parliament of • free Ita lian, especially when extraordinary powers were asked of them, that all power was liable to above. This was parti cularly to be considered in the preseut question, not only from the nature and character of the Bills, but nit account of the peculiar situation of the country and people to whom they were to he applied, a situation iu winch such powers were more likely to be abused than any others which could be ima giaed. In the first place, society must be considered in that country as being divided by the contentions of two chief fac tions, which more or less engrossed the feelings of all the peo, pie. The circumstances immediately preceding were not likely to leave the minds of the Magistracy in the calmest and most dispassionate condition far applying therm new powers with due moderation. %That were these circumstances? There had been a recent Evillest between the population and the lawful authorities—a contest against the laws can the part of Cie people—ln support of the laws on the part of the Magistracy. The people, though nut entirely successful, had left a deep impression of their violence. The Magis tracy were just coining out of the contest, smarting under the effects of the difficulties they had overcome—difficulties which made it impossible for diem to rid their minds of passion and resentment. Was it to such hands they were to commit the powers now asked ? By the British Con stitution the entertaining even • just resentment ammo , - ed to a complete disqualification of a judge; said yet to men whose minds were irritated by Ike must (slim; circumstances of opposition, and fraught with, meet probably, unqualified resentment, they were to intrust the exercise of powers of this kind. If acts like those were in themselves unnecessary and unconstitutional, the persons to whom it was proposed to depute the powers of them, were of alt persons the most likely to abuse them. If these remarks were applicable to the gentry and magistracy of all coon tries, he could not compliment the Magistrates of Ireland as forming the case of exception; they at /east were nut less liable to Mey the impulse of mentioned. The Noble Earl bad said that this was rut • new law—that their Lordships knew the Invert of these Bills—that they were acquainted with the consequences of them—that experience had been had of their effects. They had, indeed, experienced the effects of such Bells; they had sees them to force more or less fie quently for the laid -twenty years. And if the Hoare had not heard of the effects of such Bills iii • manlier sufficiently alarming to that constitutional jealousy which had beets appealed to, let them go to the records of the Iriah tribunals, sod they would And how far they had contributed to ap pease the toenails of Ireland—they would flint • Reties of oppressions and calamities which would make their feelings revolt, anal 611 their minds with the moat painful rerullec- Otitis. What was there to recommend these laws its all that had befell their enactment and execution, bet a continuation of horrible atrocities, which made the heart recoil from the contemplation of them? What results were t h e,. to recommend a recurrence to them? The Noble Earl de eland the consequences to have been good. lit might be supposed that rebellion and i lion had bees quenched, earl that Acts had been allowed to expire fur want of objects upon which to iaßict the penalties. The hare recital of the periods daring which they were is forme woold cure that delusion. The 10-urreetios Act was peeved In 1798; it lay dormant fur a few months, mid thou, with the Suspension Law, was in full rigotw ageis; 'bat was to say, all law was suspended the local gentry were raised into absolmie despots—there was thresghout the country an absolute democracy of tyrants. After this it would be supposed that the country would be triaged and prosper . ems. In 1807 the law was again in foree. From that period there was an interval of tine or two years without the Act, and theta it was enacted once more. After that the Noble Lord, now in his piece, had come down to the House and, much to his hosour, had stated that Ireland being restored to tranqsillity, he would move foe the repeal of the law, though it had then only • mouth or two before it would of itself expire. Where were the wholesome results of the law! Dad the Noble Earl gamete say that ',Ade that law, as it was called, was in existence, there wee the wort strut:loos absence of all law ? D.d he mess to say that Goverwiswat bad not horn wailing in all those periods throagls bloodshed and violence, effected almost without diectionisatioo, com pelled perhaps by the circuities to do so to preserve the Government of the country ? The statute book would be the fullest reply to such • declaration if any Minister were hardy enough to make it. Use of the eircuossiseces which would resider the powers to be grouted by these Bills peculiarly liable to abuse, arose from the difficulty sad ern barrassmeat under which Magistrates would find themselves hereafter, on a return to a more rational and coustitutional course of law. By custom of exercising mercies sad arbitrary authority, the people would, no doubt, come very apt to look upon those persons who hod held and •ised such powers as their osiers! enemies; they would learn to ahead and hale the laws from those whose na tural business it was to teach respect and veretatitte to the laws. Even in the cassia* • good Magistrate recurring, after the enjoyment of seminary power,, to • course of law wisely guarded with checks sod various modes of sleety, the impodi. meets must in some instances be disagreeable to him, sod he would secretly indulge • wish for the larger powers which he had learned to exerciee. This, in a Magistrate with say love of constitutional principle, whose character and mind were mot vitiated by the pomession and eseiche of extraordinary powers, was yet to be expected. But what wenra he she cam in • Magistrate of an opposite character—one who had no scruples in the indulgence of life passions ? Tkire do what they could, always be some little matter of diger,- time left to the mind of the Judge or Magistrate; sod let it be recollected, that the rule of the Constitution, io all eases where power was intrusted, was to 'oppose that the had passions lurked in the minds of all men. A Magistrate of the disposition he had pointed out, feeling the ineonve idiot., of the old restralute—perhaps galled with the retell 'reties of having abused the powers before committed to hue, would seek in the exercise of his legal and more mo derate powers, to 'hew that there was a positive ne cessity for the continuance of these which were more arbitrary. It had bee, well observed by alloble and Leaned Lira who had preceded him, though most impertinently as to the vote he promised to give, that in !reload there was a general want of respect to the laws, and that want of respect and obedience was a common failure smoeg high and low, rich math and Feat mum. He believed that the evil did exist, and that it was a defies,* ea, to deal with. But what was the remedy proposed by the Noble and Lamed lied ? How did he propose to leach the Irish respect for those laws anti that constitution which wets as profited, nod justly eulogised ? The argauseat to be Inferred was this, " Timm laws &misdeed pod in times of•peats and eseleothimit, bat is times of dilicolay sod danger, we also, as well as yes, discharge them lows which we at ether timer call os yea to admire, sad retort to violence lied cruelty as yen do; we she discarded our reverence foe the minititailioe,sed re sort to the Moloch of Malcom which yam worship." Bet look at the effect of this legislative on the Magistrate. He 'mid remise thus: If by a. bad administration of the existing laws he sae - ffitineet the diecoeteals as as to have these estesordinevy powers committed to him, he mugs to be a simple Hasistuale of iloa gamma 1 bealarts trout the melt of a mere itemiser of lie einsusisslOn tif the power sod swells • petty tyrsal of the district; his power is augeseuied—his cosoopiewee le iiscreased is properties as r d the e is i p t r l o a e y ees t iu seg i ea t i . n g h i M i i : b i n b r e ta i o i r o h y l b :l i s i s w e r t , ih we bal l as g ss l i v i e it w k w a lso—:r P : s g .r i s d i t s i e n l i sl i d i p ie r h t s art i t yr er. . ebb, In his opinion, to these Bills i it might be usfashies able to admit It, hat it was the troth. The local ',labiate become absorbed or quenched osier the visitatioe of the law military. Magistrates would be very circumspect in their eosoluet If there were soy danger to be moaned by it of invitee the visit of a large lied overwhelming forte, capable of erudite( them (lows to an indiserintimate level with the wretched •ietims of those habitual oppression,. They would he slow to do any tide, to ferment disorder, if they were i• peril of having their petty authority quashed by that of • fleece which bears with egret weight epee all the parties—epos the exaspersiensg tyrant of the neighb our: hood, and the wretches he wished to crush, he would be vigilant to suppress disorders se they prose, end by the meat effectual menus--ibuse of bessesity sod justice. Far this reale, be would prefer, if weed were, exteudieg the ru t , of the Irish Executive in that esseser. M•gisirued .oriel sever be SO rosily tat call down the vengeance of • restful Government upon their districts, as they would to ash for those extraordinary and revolutionary laws, for ova lotionary they were, however the description of them might be quilifled. At protest, if say Magistrate is Ireland were sated whet meson, be would have adopt ed to put down the disorders, the answer would ceilliely he, the Inserrectiou Act. The temper of the peupk of that rank was siotorisios—ii was marked by a h atre d of the lower el lle bad learned from • Noble relative of his sear him, osier at the head of the 1.-ti Goveremeet (the Duke of 'team II), that so souse, did a Lord Lieu. teasel land is theft country than be wad insiautly best by • SWIM Or those who were anxious to urinals as xescesdaney over hies, and to give to his mind • bias in favour of their owe particular objects sad Marmite. If ibey trued him to be timid by salute, they set about alarms ( hue ; if they found bus • sass of spirit' they put him us his mettle. Every engine was set is motion, so mesas were left untried, reports of the denerlptios best celeststed to forward their views were forewarded front every part of the obesity, and the must active us was mole of Me inflow, they possessed, by means of the most extensive cogresposiL s ace carried ea by a vast faction, which spread all (MT lirelainl. He perfectly agreed +Mb what had relies from the Noble sod learned Lord, that as act of vigour for the purpose of putting duwa actual rebelties ought to be ac companied by a thorough inquiry Palo the suture mid causes of the evil that gave rise to it. For if he trederstood him aright, the Noble Lord would is, that alas the House was called upon to greet extraordinary powers to the Government of Ireland—whew they found it stated by the Noble Marquis at the heed of that Goversetost that the causes of the evil were deep routed, they were booed to dr engin' some ssssss ace that the Government was about to ad. dress itself with the most serious and attentive appl!cat no t o the levesilgai mu of these causes with a view 'esthete remenh He should not contend that the law which they wens called upon to enter, although he cooed not shish it the best sleeted to the peculiar character of the evil to which it was intruded to apply, would altogether fail in repressing the spirit of sot. rags which prevailed ; becamee he dud shish, that, is eosjsse- Hum with other ceases, the approach of summer and the leigibesiag of the days, it was likely to have some effect in reducing the quantity of the evil. But still he did Mist, that however effective it wee likely to prove foe the time, the Hoerr ought est to give such posers ors them with out -• distinct isodersisodsug that the nitro/ins of Go yerument would be directed to the discovery sad removal of the remote cause of the mischief: If that were reelect ed, sad the powers of this Act should fail I. subduing the tits bieleut spirit that was sow is actioe, it would out be Wei or it grew into iciest retwilios; it would sense aurae the appearance which the Noble Lord over the way bad stated Met it had nut yet put us, it would soon become a political Of re ligioos civil ear. When persecutive was set on foot apiast the Protestants is the south of Preece, is answer lu au pietism which were made ea that subject, ii was said that the indogiluals were sot molested us account of their religios, lot that they had rendered themselves obnoxious to Hie Isis which it had bees Necessary to adopt fur the *oppressive of the designs of the fiends of Bonaparte. Rot to whom had the execution of those laws bees confided' To Catholic', whine rano/rove hostility to the professors of the reformed religion had led them to convert the laws which bad heck framed for the soppreesios of designs hostile to the eats blished civil isatioistiutis of the toiletry, into ?Settles of destruction to the sderrogies of their religion. The Noble Lord orii the crews bench (Laid Kenyon, we bilker) 'elev.', as he would seem to say the argument would only apply where Catholics were Is power ; but he (Lord Hetlasol thought that it was the case of human nature generally. I. that ;macular ease the Protestant became the object of perseculitoa with the Catholic Magistrate under the pies el his being • &inspiring ; and what security bed Hey that the Protestant Magistrate in Ireland would Hot treat his Cedeolie enemy as a rebel? The present, he couteeded, Inv Nit a remedy which was c•pable of removing the caste of the disease; which could cooly be eared by the adoption of measures founded ou long eeperieece sod study of the des order, and • thorough sequaiidence with the otestoleties ef the patient. He would admit the possibility that there mud of the whole of their disabilities from the Cadmic* of Ireland might be reductive of inconvenience er eirs• danger, though Ise wastat a less to conceive hew it cosh' hare seal an effect ; bat For the sake of the argument, allowing it to be so, he would yet matted that it was impassible that soy government could discharge its duty to the country, which determined to eirelisde from its •Itestioe all consideration of what was to be dose with re gard to the Catholics of Indeed. The tithe oysters elm wog • subject which so govenimetat woo Id de be duty is refugia( le submit to • thorough ievestigaties lied reels.. But these were question they were told epos which as usable was to be gives. Though all woe agreed in opieios of the secessity that something should be dose, yet they teak' sever agree as to the particular measure to be adopted; sad it was fothiddes to leech epos partieslar points, hsrsuse some 'see we ether being boom, to be decidedly supposed to their beteg et all interfered with, any attempt to divests them would lead to a diseglotios of the Cabinet; sad it use better that that shook' bold together a little Wager, than that • crying griever. Amid be redressed at the risk Of their wassiesity. There lay the root of the evil; the low, thus deep, was it fixed—sittschmest to uffice was tea principle to which every ether coosideraties was to be ewe iced. He begged ho might sot he misunderstood to say shot Catholic Kmeseipailow was the only remedy, or that it would be a complete rue for the disease, or that the Casio- Ile disabilities were the wily evils seder which boiled was labosrieg. Sensible es he was of the easgeitede sad impot ence of that sobjecs, yet he could out forget that there were others which equally deemed's' swains' and SlDOlidlnfOl. There were the tithes, of which the Noble sod Loused Lord bed said that • riudilestios of them would he HOY sdvaalageous to the cowry. The shortie* of the Vat body of the large leaded periprietere was ales • rotate sperm of coil to the esustry. That was undoubtedly Is may caste *wise to the sossexios with Zeglaed; but be thought that If that eumeskse hod bete made the mrses of exits& log the bowels of English low to lorlisid, that evil w o uidhe amply compositor*, to the revelry by the advsulalfre wh ich the people would lave derived from the change. 7 Ire triode of that eatetempt fur the lows, which the Noble sad Lesreed Lord bed deseribed as pervades( every class of the pee* t that Poetry, from the high bred diorite's, who leek the Igo isle his swot heads for the porpoise 40 summarily redrestioe a supposed grievesee, to the petty 'springier, who drew away cattle by sight fur debt rather Mee submit to the ignominy of employing se stistsey, row out of • totem• boo of the jalousie* ue the laws, mid me opium. that They were framed Fer the porpoises of epitomise to the people . 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