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-eurity of .the Crown, as it was irreconcilable w the spirit ol the Constitution. No man felt m to sincere veneration thr the SOVereign than che, 'arid he would be the last man -in the .w oral that towel reduce his authority to a ci pher ; an& it , was, that'veneration which prOmpt eim to say, that the Sievereign could - never harbour such a disposition as an immutable hoStility to any measure that might be necessary to the well . eee ; 01 ene •lescription of his Majesty's SubjeCts. conaeqeenees of . such a determhAtion can never attach upon the Crown, but to the advisers of the C. wn. All acts 'of kiridness, • grace; generosity, clemency, and , munificence, belong to his Ma pee; ; bet whatever-is harsh- or wrong; can never • hi; l i, *A ; for such acts Ministers only are re-' sponsible. As to all,that haS' beep higed with re sped to the Coronation Oath, hot an' objeetioti ,of Lilolil but has been started to every measure that has el n eu idopted in favour - of the Catholics; but his N:lajesty's wiSdom and benefieetice have .weigh dowh all these objections.: That a triiSimder standing has eitsted with respe& to the - Bill ine question, ,he would readily adriiit ; but there was hothing in ihat Misunderstanding thatafforded the least ground of suspicion against his colleagues.— Indeed no man of honour Could for a Moment sUp pose them capable of any deceit towards their Royal. Master.--Their Condtiel was not only a proof of their fairness and sincerity, but their cautious de ference. to' theopinion and wishes of the Sovereign. But why thus show their deference by - withdrawing a Bill which they had asserted to be their indispensable duty to. propose ? They certainly felt the political expediency of bringiog forveard such a measure : but, . unexpeetedly ,finding that strong objeatimiswere made ' to it, they withdrew tt ; reserving to tlietnSelVes the . power of britiging it torward agent wiginiever im perious necessity called for its auoption ; and.here he must hope that no Noble. 'Lord would attempt to confound political expediency with an imperious neL cessity. How such a reservation on their 'part could' offend his Majesty', he kneW not ; nor would lie believe that it had offended bun s unlesS the measure had been misrepresented to him by some secret tins *chievous - advisers. No, never should 'he believe that the remmil of the late Ministers, and the man ner of their removal; was the 30 Of the Sovereign : • • it 'was an ad wholly foreign to his disposition, and contrary to the 'whole tent hr of his life; it is an a& 'that Carries with it marks of a very different nature, and can only be the. work of those who Surrontaltd him. He would insinuate frothing a,,,,craiust any Noble Lord which Be was not ready oPetifY to avow ; ati if any l Noble Lord took to iihnsell whatheewas al luding to; he should be ready to believe that Noble 'Lord, when he denied any .such advice Upon his honour. it was, however, well knOwn, that in ail politica) machines there were wheels withi n `• Wheels; yes, as 1113Iiy as in . a silk mill ; and Many of .ahem also, so sunk in the 'Jail that it _was almbst impossible to know their places., Some no. : tion of this kind triaS , tend to explain ,the intrigues e that removed the kite Admiiitration. 'Whatever motives or opinions intty be itiopthed to the Sovereign, it is impossible he can hemade responsible for any Of them. His adyisers only are responsible; and Who ever would prestitue or venture to say that ,any such measure was the suoutaneous utiproinpt& aft of the . King, .to that person he should say, such areaSser tion is not to be 'discussed here : the place to settle it would be in the Great Hall. The Constitution must be preserVed; and he wonld haZard his, prefe;sional chsraCter that this was sound constitutional dodrine. Who will attempt to 'alter the nature of man ! Yet it must be altered before' it can 'be, eXpetc.ted that file Catholics of Ireland will cease h.epreeent AddresSes and l'etitious. They present one: no notice is taken of it. They . present a second, a third, :a fourth : is, no notice to be taken of them. ? Who will take upon himself to declare that now is not the time to _listen to them ? or who will dare declare, ,that nOt time is ev - to come when they will be attended to or no circumstances , arise when their 'claiMs should be acceded to, and the bar 'between Catholic irid Protestant reinoved ? if any one do venture to, Make such a declaration, he should say_ that such a man should' be tried thr -sedition. He reilly shuddered at the conseqUences that might result 'in Ireland from the effects of such unconstitutional doarines he could'rOt e even eith calmness, conteMplate them: at'a distance. Under that impression,. he should strenuously support the Motion. . Lord JERSEy spoke' at some length in favotir of - • the'Motion, but in a tone of voice scarcely audible below the Bar% Lord I 1,11: ROirßy adverted to thescanty docile meats before the House, and wondered that upon such imperfect materials any seriouSdiseession would be entertained by their LOrdships. If, hoverer, they would attend to the "commencenient acid progress of the transktion Which gave ,r;Se to all these ; dis cussiops, they must - ,he surprised' that any misundee standing Shotdd ever haVe takelf;place respeCting the Bill alluded . to so oftetP7eand still rrice - e so, that such, a -MisUnderstanding could have continued tOr a moment after the, Written 'declaration de-, • livered by' his Majesty to his, late Ministers ye . - speaing it.- Was if not plainly Stated in that written declaration, that his Majesty would never consent to go a step further than What was granted by the Irish het of 'l7O ? To' what purpose should his , Majesty repeat that determination, or Why should it ever be interred froth his subsequent 41elice, that he had given his consent to a measure that Went much further than the Act of 1793, N'lien he had already . so .-.oleinnly declared that he should never consent to aoy, extension of it ? Indeed', there was at let such a variety 'of interpretatiopS of the Bill, even be tweenditierent Members of the late'Cabinet, that:in the end, they . 'did not appear to, understand each other. 'Yet it, was expected that a Noble Viscount (Sidinoulh)• would, still recomMend the Bill to 'his lajesty, althohgh it was knoYvn thiit the Noble V is count hill-bell was hostile to the' measure. . Surely it, should diminish' the regret which it was proposed to express - for the retnoyal of such men, to see in, what absurdities and contradictions they are capable of 'en t: : themselves. As to interpret itions of the Coronation Oath, he should not now entefthe lists ..vith,t he Learned Lord (Erskine)' upon that point; he should venture; however, to observe, that the monitor the .Sovereign had to coesult, was the monitor within his own breast ; a'monitor that,has faithfolly.gweed. his exemplary life, and nor the interpretations sit of his duty, ' dictated and prescribed by the cOnsti-; aces', of oetier Men. As to - the part of the Motion bleb. Went to express regret at tb; removal of the late Ministers, he was at a loss - to 'find on vili:%t ground it could rest. He-had much .respeet for in,iny of them, and o was F illing to acknwledge they pa's sessed talent-s 5 but when -their superior tron!;e,„:nci...itit abilities wen so exultingly: boasted of, migl it, he a be a;iOwed ff 6 ask Wht.-;re were the splonAisl proots of those rare abilities to be found ? Was it :in . the di4triblit ion of our naval and military force?' Was it in the:multiplicity and success of their rxp..- dirigns . ? Was it in tile sl4:4:lndourof,.th9h . victo ries, or in the extent of their conquests ? Was it in their promptitude to co-operate with our Allies, or in theft generOsity which prompted 'such a liberal .pecuniary aid -to one- of them ?—Were these the specimens of those sinpendons talents, without the exertions of which .theCauntry mus't be ru . ned? As to their pacific negotiations, it was no easy matter to :eaaraCte.rize them. Indeed the only parallel they teemed to have, ; was theft late negotiation with their. Sovereign„ 04 : here too they, never, could come to a point ; one rested on an account which they but imperfealy retolleaed ; so that they never perfe6tly understood each othCr. Whatever were their talents, they have been tried, and the Country, he belieVed, was now fully dissatis :fied respeaing ,thetas They may, have talents fur an opposition and the effeas of that opposition he, might deprecate. Still his Majesty's present Mini sters should have hot hitt to fear--they haVe-aecept .ed their places; that they might stand by their King; and with.their King they will stand or fall. Lord SELKIRie waq_o" f opinion, that the axiom, that the' Ring can do no wrong, was to she under stdod in two vsays--first, that his MinisterS or ad•. visers were resp6nsible tOr the a&s of Government, and that the private aas• of the' King NA ere not 'anicnable- to law. It was never necessary tbr the public good that the private ads of:the King should be considered as arising iron) , advice: .He cjki ceived it ,impoSsibie that anV-ParliattienOry prOceed ing could be sounded Uperi an-act of which they. 'could have no knowledge. It % , as certainly true, that 'the garbled publication of the Cabinet 'Minutes had ren dered a more distinct communicatiQn to Parliament necessary, and on that circumstance the permission of his- Majesty • fbr such communication had beeti founded: i3Ut it was for their Lordship's to consider what was - the object of the present Motion. Though he agreed in an unqualified Manner in the truth of the proposition contained - in the Resolution proposed to them, he was not prepared to go the length of the measures that Nirere to be grounded upon it. The Object of these measures was to turn out the present Ministers, and to reinstate the latol'ilinisters. ;• He should not 'agree to any proceeding for thatptirpOse; because ; though the late Ministers should be replaced :in their fOrmer situations by a'ay machinations of party, it was impossible that they should possess the Same degree of hiS.Majesty'stontidence as before, or that they could compose the same strong 'Gov'er4-- nient as they had when the} carne into office.: Though • the public was aware of the splendid talents 'which they individneily 'possessed, yet it" was iinpoSSible that the same tirin reliynee could he placed in 'their it - e...ares as betetofbi - e. The'NL.w 141inisters were Untried, and ought to have 'an.opport(inity them of shewing - how they could - c'ontinet the athirs of the country: . He thought‘that tlicy 'Mould have a trial; and thaCt belt; merits should be , d6cided upon by their - measui'es'. At all cventF, he trusted that they would give ail earnest of ttlelr printkiples of Ministraiioi to the people of, IrelanA, by carrying inttifoll effect the la-vs as they at present existed m that country. • . Lord 110.1i.LVGDON. did not mean to 'negatiVe the Resolution of the Noble Lord (Marquis of Staifbrd), hut before he should sit elOwn,.,Prollos;td to Make; a 'notion that shoUld get rid Of it, by re ' lieving the House frO!n - coining to any decision up on it. NO one of their Lordships, he was sure ; was prepared for the first part of the Ref-so Ntion, which therefore took them hy surprise ; and h e was prepared-to say that no Pat liamentary ground. had been laid for it. Some allusions had been made to a Cabinet Minister, which was not regularly be, fore them, and to the speech of a 'Member of th at [louse. Now the unrecorded speech of ailY Noble , Lord was not a sufficient Parliamentary docatneat. But the latter part of the 'Re-soh-eon contained:a di re& censure upon the personal condud of the King. Ile was not at all surprised that the Noble Lord at the head of his Majesty's late Government bad ap• plied for perniis'sion to make the communibatiort which he had • given to that-house, neither that his Majesty, conscious Of the pinity. Of his own mo tives, had given that-consent, nor that, theEoase had allowed such coinniunication to yet 'there be made ; were many _Noble Lords who thought.withbim i that that Noble Lord ought to have been p stopped in progress. A sa c re d barrier had been, in this instance, broken i down, and the praCticeshould have been arrested, not Sutl . 'ered to be-drawn into prece dent. - fjecontended, that his Majesty's present Mi niste3 had notgiven any pledge whatever upon any subject, nor would the present Reolution, if agreed to, be binding upon them, In the beginning. of century a Resolution had passed that -House,' declaring those. enemies to their country Who shoUld make peace, leaving, Spain or the Indies in the possession of aßontbon. This Resolution`was not binding upon the Queen or her Minisiers, and a Peace was afterward= , con - chided,' leaving both to a branch of that family. He readily acquitted his Majesty's late MiniSters of any intention to force his Majesty's consciences . Much less to obtain his consent to their measure by fraud • but he Would not absolve them fro 4 n the charge, of negligence and inattention, which in pri-, vate life would be considered an abandonment of coma on prudeyce. The Noble Baron (Lord ren had said that a misappiehension had taken . placee upon the subie4; but he should contend, that the - liiinisters should not have resorted to the ctrcuit- Ous t ,'and, he should add, unconstitutional, mode, of 'endeavouring to Coiled his Maje Sty's 'sentitnents, by sending for hjg' penisal dispatches that were 'to be dispatched to another part of the Empire,' It w"s rather extraordinary that. the First Lord of, the ytea sury should have had an audience of his Majesty so soon after, and ;lot speak of tile subject ; that the question should liave been'so studioualV kept out of view. If any trouble had been taken by that Noble Lord to ascertain his Majesty's sentiments, the con sequences that have resulted might ',have beep pr - i vented. The demand of the pledge had arises gout Of the reservation -6 made by the .Neb!: Lords, and When it was probable that the questivn would again be re- . newed to bisjiajesty:lke asked, wilt: , they it was extraordinary that his Majesty shouid. 104 ,to 451 y-, tber, quarter *for Minister's *hose sentiments more nearly correspond with his own.? 71,11e.n -riistrs themselves had argued; that the cause:9f their making their reservations was, lest their otn:4sion to di') so might live been construed into an implied ad riis;ioit of tine pzige, th`ong clqirat , ,:!ful to ihem as Privy Councillors. There '.ere Many eases in which .the King should •as upon his own judgurer The - Catholics - of Ireland; that the qUestion was not deC,ided by any party cabal or intrigue, nor from any want of 'affeaion On the. part of his to any part of his subjeas, but in con sevenee of his Majesty's feelings- of conscience, aria fear of the.crirne of perjury ) , would be guided in *their condua by a _submission to the IaWS, by that moderation anA forbearance whiCh must be dic'iated by a proper regard to their interests.— Heshould then give no opinion on the Catholic QUes tion, hut seeing more. to approve than to regret in its accomplishment ; he should be . glad when, the op portunity should arrivo of Carrying it into effe(St.— 'lle felt that nb-parlianientary ground had been laid • for the motion ; that the latter . part of the ReSolution involved' a ditelf censure of His Majesty'S perso,ml conduct ; and that the ,first part of it. included the • whole comprehensivenuestion respecting the con. duct of Abu late Ministers; 'he moved that their Lordships' do now ldjourn • • Lord KINAL-4103 contended that the doctrine laid-down - by the 'Noble Lord, who spoke laSt, re specting the feelings of the Irish. Catholics, as the defeat of 'their measure did not arise from cabal or iL)trigtle, went to drew that it arosefrom the per4onal feelings of his Majesty. He contended, that the example of the Resolution. of - Parliament about a cPntury since, quoted by that Noble Lord, was not ap,tilicable to the presen case ; as to the arguments etillis Noble Friend (Lord Selkirk), he trusted he would not continue to use-them with the teal . of a new convert. His Noble 'Friend lidd said that the stew Ministers werelnitried, and 'ought to lave an opportunity of sliming what they could do. Nnble Lord, liege entered into a review of the claims Of the prominent Members -of the pre sent Administration',' contending, that they who had precipitated, by their mad politics, 'the ruin of the Continent; - were not end ti&l. to the confidence inn -Country. He insisted, that the latel Ministers had ddne much for.the Army, promoted economy, and lent their supPoEl to all motions tor-public inquiries, and, for discOvery of 'public rapine. He should have eXpeCted a charge reSpeeting their condtk't in foreing a transation from any On .- e soon than the NNoble 'Lord, the mad politics of whose Cabinet had driven the Continent to its ruin. He 'trusted that there were sOine in the prt'sett -Cabinet who would*COr reEt, the inadueSs' Of such CoOncils. If one of the great geographical Powers of Europe was at our feet, if the expedition to Buenos Ayres was now likely to be.successful, it was all duet° the late Mi nisters. He -could not agree with his &elite and Learned Friend, that this ‘vis the first time in:the present itklign, that secret advisers had driven a Mi nistry from power. The Same et;ent had taken, place in the case of the greit Earl of Ch,eham. And, tixre was 'a s.,a;ng between his measures, previous to his dismissal and those of the late Mini sters. He hadovercoMe the prejudices of the Jaco bites 'in the Highlands, and Sent them to conquer in all parts of the world. On all these grounds, he should vote for the motion.. „ Lutil SIDAIOVTIIIc It it equally impo:ssiblc to assent to the motion, as to give it a direa ney - ative, and thcretbre was reneved from considerable dilficuL ty by the course proposed by the Noble. Lord (Bo- RING:10N). This mode was the best to meet the question, because the /previous question might imply that it might at some time be decided-on, and he thought •it ought na at any time to be mado the subject Of , a decision of that House:. The question of adjournment, if carried, would prove their Lordships' convi&ion that the Resolution Ought at no time to be decided upon. The Resolution was founded on the discussion that had taken place pre- - - vious to the recess. ' He admitted, and even con-" tended, - that his Noble Friends had been placed' in a situation of greet diMculty, - by the inUtilatedstate tnents of the Cabinet Minutes' that had found'iheir way 'to the Public, even previous to their resigna tioq. It was natural that persons of honour should de m—and permission, in such a case,. to state the whole case,with a view to counteract the calumnies circulat ‘ed•againSt them. But pAst, trusted, would not be drawn into a precedent. - A he Noble Baron (Lord HarrOwby) had justly observed that this proceeding was founded only on the newSpapez - ; parDgraphs and speeches in Parliament. It' was a`painful duty for him to perform ; but -he had observed the cireurhstances that had led td the discussion of the question—_--died moth 'as he deplored that discussion, he trusted their Lordships would agree with him, that was im" portant \ the question Shsuld . be 'rightly understood. He asked; therrufore, Lordships, their pa tience and indulgence, whilst he employed the per mssitin which he had from th.,. highest (niarter, to p the sn bje.:':t in its. l.ropc_r • ligLht, -their Lordships all he knew upon the subject at the transactiou. . d'11.4 ()NOR rose to order; and appealed to their Lordaiiiis, Whether it might not be ill-Tat-lid menlary for a Member of that House to enter into an exposition of transaaiOns,_ which, accordinghis oath as a Privy . Councillor, 'lie wasbound.to Con ceal' ? , Lord' MAW U7ll Continued. He considered himself absolVej Irma the strianess of the oath by the permission he had received ; and appealed to Lordship4just ice' and impartiality to allow him 'to pursue those steps which others hail trodden with out having been interrupted. When the latelAdmi niStration had been formed, no restraint had been laid upoh him with respe& to the Catholic Question. At that time his opinion was as strung as at present, and he had expressed •his 'confident . expectation to a Right Hon. Gentleman, now-no more, and to the Noble Lord lately at the head of his Majesty's Go vernrnent, that the Catholic Question Would-'never ...,agaitr be agitated. This he stated 'only to shew that • he had kited conscientiously.throughott. But what he wished with - most. anxiety to press, upon their Lordship's' attention was; that a Misconception had . : taken I)l:ice—that it .was not x t ra ord inory •diat should have taken place—but that it would haw been impossible that it should not have taken place: From , the first appointnieut of the , late Adtuinistrationt up to Fehrtiar,y last, ,he li ed observed th,.: Wish of his Colleatue:; to abStaifi from bringing - for Ward VOL: Question,' 1.3111V.i 411. by an iMperious . , . sense of ditty. Then li . was ; lioni.::ht that tre ferme.nts. in Ireland be al.ayed. by the rneaure. The Noble Viscount .then entered into an act Orate histo:-' iical statement of the progress - of then easure, stat ing; , ti'tat, his Majesty had in, the first instance de -dared his &termination not to go a step beyond the , Irish Art of. -1793, and that he hiinsell had been of the same opioion. The Noble Vi count ; Called the next day at the FOreigh Ofifee, and stat ed his cobjedions, and : found thd NOble. Secretary equally desirous to have every thing connected with the in,iasure , well un.lerstood. Ile was sure that his ..Noble Friend (Lord Howick) I that he had his MAjesty's - approb.ition; Or he would not have opened the measure to Parliament ; and though he could notttionht his. Noble Friend's imp;e:,ilon, he had difficult} , in believing the extent of the consent of his Majesty. On the 4th of - Ma-eh be had com municated leis dissent to any extension beyond 'the Irish Act of 171;3. He had never seen a . cOpy of the Dispatch for Ireland, which had been sent to his Majesty but;bc insisted for going .over a part Of his statement on a former night (which skewed, that his Majesty had never 'consented .to moreithan the ex tension to the Empire of the Irish Ad of 1793). He also.contended, that the consent of his 'Majesty had ken. So uuderstood by :Lords Howick' aud 4rs‘iilv.• and Mr. Elliot, in Ireland, as well as by himself. A misconception alone could have produCed , the mis take. It was impossible for him to have Conse;tited to an extension of the protisions beyond the. irish A& of 1793 ; and he was, therethre, astonished to find that a Right Hon, Friend of his (Mr. Bond) had been instructed to *pare clauseS for the Mu tiny Bill, of a more extended operation, and larger import ; than he could consent to. He thought . that it was not too much on the part ot-, his Majesty, after he bad declared that he would not go a step fdrther titan thci ALA 170, to etped, that the measure would not tie carried 'to a greater e- t. - t m en a ' i t e , s t t h y an at he a l p lad au as t se ie c te e, t , t w H ha e t h i a l d tt s S l l .l a o t .ci li t hove Properly have stated in Council, his objedions to the hill.; and Au the same day h's Majesty -had signified his disapprobation of the whole measure. W - hen sound that Li measure was to be persisted in„ which he did not think the king could have con-. Stilted to,' he had, in the beginning of the following week, tendered a resignation of .his office, out re• ceived the ( . :onhoatids of his Majesty to continue in. his ~otfice, which he did tor the fortnight noring Which the .A.dininistration remained in power.-- The return of theciauses without muarli.was no scoofof the Ring's -assent ; he might wish - for ..a'personal comniunication with his Ministers, and thelaa.-was, he had sucli.coMinunication next day with theM; The representation that, had been sent to ..his Majesty, he had never seen, nor - the answer to it ; 'hot he had understood that the authors etc that represtanation had been required to with draw it. Ile had never contemplated .the repre sentation, as deScribed to him, but with sincere re gref,.though he was sure it was only intended fairly to let his Majesty know what his servants tdt. them- SelVes' called upon to 'do. He, had nil} , to say, that the demand of the pledge' which had been, required of the Ministers, v4io had made the .reser vations, would liaye been to him a proof, a painfill proof, that they ,no longer possessed that share of his Majesty's confidence that would be necessary to them to condo:A the affairs of the empire. •As to the Chatge of secret . a4viCe, he eOLThict.ere , d that as made without Of against-evidence, and all ex.-. perlence; Theconstitutional maxim, that the Ktng7 could dii no - wrafg;'‘and ihat hiss•Mmie were re sponsible, referred to ads of EX:ectitive Govern tnent,,. but there were many instances in which , the - King must judge for hitns& if.. He was ccht. , yinced. that the Icing had ated in this. instance :frotn: the internal: itnpulse of Iris own heart. Un-, less the existence *of -secret advisers 'coUld be Oka .blistred, the ituestion• would beu:against:the per sonal conduct} of the wing. That great -States.= -man (Mr. Pitt), during seventen years that he `preBided over the 'Administration of this**Couri try.„ could never discover, a trace of that secret advice: It was his firm convietion,, that his testy had 'no intention to change. his Ivlihisters till the misunderstanding took place. 1 - kre be -should say that he was not aware. of any dif ference bet Ween two sets of Ministers that. wt nid be. of such weight as -the im-portance of upnoldinc , , the .authority of the King. itt . had been stated, it would appear to the e of Ireland that his Majesty's honourable feelings were . the only init. pediment to a measure in which they were nite rested. But he, denied, - that there was an obstaci-O in the consistent opinions of that House, ana.in concurrent deciSion of the other liouse two years'ago. The whole of the,present Reign had beep a cf . magnanimous policy and:concession to the• Catholic s Wole Viscount then stated ? that feeling a 1i Aid, that too. much had already..been graineu to did Catholics, he should not consent to granting mor He passed a high panegyric on the 0E144' of thO, Duke of Bedford in the Government of Ireland, placed as his Grace had been in a situation bfconsi-. derlibie difficulty; and after some observations on tto Goverfiment of Lord'Comden, which be. couiendral was good, and• that the acts (*barbarity and injustice, which took place during that Noble Lord's admini-. stration did not arise out of his, system, concluded by declarinz, that-he must oppose a proposalon, the, tendency of Which, by the niost remote construaiop, went to at Laid) blame to the Schereign. Lord LAUDERDALE, in a very warm speech; dontelided; that the proposition of his NOle Friend, so far , from • having been met lairly; had been placed , - - fase- point of view ; particularly the asser tien of the Noble Viscount, that it was diredle4 against the .Sovereign, demanded his . animadversion, and that of all the friends of the CoustitOtion,---•.' 1. The Noble Viscount argued, as if no one could deemed the reSPonsible adviser of the King; 111 lv he had'had an.opportunity of insinuating,hisadrico before the step was taken. For his part he at,Aay,i understood" that, person. to be constitutionally re b uoil4 sible; who either adviSed an unconstitutional sure in the first instance, Wlio aequieseed_in it .‘;:neF'. advised•by others, or who, by his subsequent coo' dn6t, Contributed to the fulfitamly of thw'rneasure ., The :.',Loble Lords opposite, had 'triad:, thernselVeS 'With: the ,kno , ,vledge treat an till' constitutional pledge had been den - tin:Jed t!r- 4 predecessors, they accepted other's; they - did so, .cv•=r l having , lkst t. , )tite..Ntng ;hat demand was unconstitutional. ...He attcertAt eta 0:.! cases of Lords Somers and Granby, which pro'