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IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE. OF PEERS. TUESDAY, AUGUST 11. The Irish Salt Exportation Bill, General Delan cey's Estate Bill, &cc. ice. were read a third time. The Appropriation 13'11, and the Irish Vote of Credit Bill, were read a second time, and committed for to- inb I row. The English Militia Transfer, the Irish Militia Tiansfer Bills, went through the. Committee, and }'ere reported without any Amendment. Inc third reading .o ' the Traders' Assets 13ill was, on the motion of the LaRD PHAN CELLOR, postponed till to-morrow. PAROCKAL SCHOOLS, Lord HOLLAND then rose to move the second reading of this Bill. lie should not now enter into any detail of the merits of the Bill; he. could see no objeetion - to its principle; and however • several Noble Lords might differ as to the means of ac• compliShing the obje6i, all seemed to be agreed that the accomplishment of it was extremely desirous. Lord HAIPKIESBURY ware among those who l)a.:1 considerable objedium, not only to the pro visions but the principle of the Bill, though he was ready to confess that the measure was one well , worthy the serious attention' and mature considera tion of Parliament ; under every circumstance of the mernent, however, he must obje6t to its further progress ; the preanible of the Bill he could not admit, and never would allow'that the lower classes of the people in Scotland were better educated, or better founded in the principles of virtue and mora lity than were the corresponding classes of society in this part of the United Kingdom. • Even while he allowed that the principle.of a measure like the pre sent was desirable, and right perhaps to beetled on, yet as the-means proposed by the Bill were wholly inadequate to its attainment, and there was not by tiny means sufficient time to consider and mature so comprehensive • a scheme, he should now move that . the Bill be read a :second time this day three worths. Lard HOLL/IND.observed that this was one of the measures which had been dropped at, the close, of the last Session, with a recommendation that it should be renewed, and renewed .with ettea during the present Session ; ',yet new it was said there was not time to entertain it, and the recomiuenda tion, as ie. other respetts went for nothing. And whence arose. all those violations of engagement and disappointment of the hopes of . the country, but' front the hat' dissolution, which, however, it was cqntended, had net been eroduaive of any serious iotemption to the public business. • Lord ItEDESDALE opposed the Bill, as not. arming the Mioist'er in each parish with a sufficient i'legree of coetroul over the regulations to be adopt ed, hilt leaving the whole to be decided upon by a make ity of the inhabitants of each parish, by the Churchwardens. Overseers, &c. This mode of pro ceeding .vorild be attended with the worst possible elt;:e'l in the Northern Cennties, where the poor "Were not provided tar as in the other Counties of Ene,land. Besides,, hew must it not obstruct the, Order and permanency of many private seminaries of education endowed by, private donations ? If it was thought expedient by the majority of any parr,:,, might they not alter the Whole tenor of such estabtishments, aid new model them according to their own notions, and the lights aed authority they should derive front the Bill. Almost all of its pro visions were iiicely to be productive 'of much prac tical mischief, it' the Bill passed la its present shape, without the least probability of its being attended with any new bietetit. Viewing the, Lill" in this light, he must agree with the Noble ,Secretary of State, who Moved that the consideration of it be pestponed. Lord ROLLAND, in explanation, read several ClAtsin of the Bill, to prove that the 'Noble and 14ailleCi Lord who spoke last, had ruisrepresentM it ; for these Clauses made it clear, that in no in stance were the parishes to ad without the advice and contreul of the Minister, or those under him, Lord REntisoALE ex . piaMetl, in order to chew that be had not misrepresented the Bill, The , LORD CHANCELLOR opposed the Bill. in its 'present shape, though be .vas by no ttieuus un friendly to the `principle of diffusing instruation'as generally and as widely as possible. kle: was fully sensible of the benefits arising from the system of Oucation in Scotland, and as he hitusAf was one of the-borderers on that part of the country, he felt 'himself indebted to that system for the benefit of his MIT edueatiOn ;--still, he could nut approve of the present - Bili, bemuse ,it was trii,erably de ficient in the means of the great ob jkit which it scented to have in vietv. Besides, it tended to a departdre from the principle of ittstrudion in this country, by taking it' in a great measuro out of the superiiitendance and controul the Clergy. Nor were these his only objeetions —in t i t, hatet-n- shape any Bill of the kind 'night ap prar, he never would agree to any, that left matters bf this nature to be judged of and decided, by the majority of theinhabitauts of .To what contn..a.iii might not such a toOde ut dtxision open a door.—Wonld it not give rise to all the Mis - cliivis of at; the majority et the inhabitants ef hatever description of people they lo Oct composed,--What eudtess . !- t 4 there out been nut long since; ..I1 in the; Siection of a Minister tor the Pari,i; ut ti.::: nweil ; ,'.teed has nut that conten tion ia.. ;ven y' at the liar of thii House ! hati ~() it, r 1, , -'t to the clans , z, ‘‘.l)iett gave to the Coo:: of by the (lei-oat ut tht.r. money for thcse it ittlAilltllcA to it tertain stun, should be rt:kollected stniv IL' sweated in thin:Court, and 11411 v 1,, ti,- the oyster came to bedivid- thc gut nothi;)g but the shells. He the IAI in its rew- If 16;111 RC I -; ; j r , Cel 1?B V )' (lust ecl Ite abottid not 0. t, I• noctlitt-tc/ inci plc 01 (Itiltisit:B pour, sl,:otAlkt 111- ::(!i`e. opioi(,:„ t, I tIX .: %! t' 1 ) )tft• . (.)I lhf' 111i'it- (ii it had ,io ct)11- ilicy ira,i under- ft .1;1( . 4 Ot.j.'et li.itlthtit 11% t;, i 2 ,-- ; U 3 littetaiuLi tiv.)ll.thiS to a certain extetit. His enquiries had already em braced a large distriEt, and fur the sati'sfa6tion of the Hotise ho could affirm, that the-advantages of edu- cation were extended more generally than it appear? ed to be thought, and he would venture to say, that in the - parish alone,in which he resided, these advan , tages extended to no' less a number than 4000.—,. Perhaps, when his , plan was more matured, he should have the honour .of submitting it to their Lordships. in the mean time, he most agree with the Noble and Learned Lords who preceded, and who truly observed, that the provisions of the Bill lett jittle or no mitring to the Minister in his Parish. This would go to subvert the first principles of education in this country, which had billion° been, And he trusted would continuo to be under.the con- trout and auspices of the establishment, and . their Lordships would feel how dangerous it might be to innovate in such matters. Their Lordships' pru dence would, no doubt, guard against innovations that might shake the foundation of our religion, and It would be a chief objekl of their vigilance and care. U t cast rnaneant in Religione Nepotcs. Lord STANHOPE could not altogether agree either with the Learned Lords or with the Right Rev. Prelate who preceded him. They seeped to appear to have no idea of any education that was not linked to a particular religion. Now the first ele ments of useful education, with which he wished the poor to be instruded in, was reading, waiting, and arithmetic. These were the foundations of useful knowledge in a commercial country like our's ; nor did• they involve any necessary connection with Church Establishment, which it was yerr natural for the Right Rev. Prelate to be anxious about. As to the Court of Chancery, the, Noble and Learned Lord on the Woolsack had given axery just idea of it. He himself had a case in that Court, which lasted only forty-two years ; he heard of one that had last ed four hundred. The question was then put on the second reading of the Bill, which was negatived; and the motion that it be read a second time this day three months, was agreed to. IRISFI ARMS BILL. The Order of the Day was then re ad the House to resolve itself into a Comtnittee upon thisßill, and the Chairman accordingly took the Chair; which being obserYed by Lord HOLLAND.--His Lordship said that he had sonic observations to make on the principle of the Bill, but not having noticed that the House had gone into the Committee, he should now move that the Chairman do leave the Chair, that he might be more regular in delivering his sentimetits upon it. He bad often lamented that when measures of this delicate and important nature were brought before the Flonse, none of his Majesty's Ministers took the trouble of entering into any explanation of their tendency, or of the grounds upon which they in tended to rest their necessity • of this they now had furnished a frcsfrexample. iut their conduel, when examined, must, in the present instance, be found very strange and unaccountable. Not twenty hours hour-, ago they dwelt with great warmth and em el:iisis upon the necessity of raising the' largest pos sible armed force;. that the perils and exigencies of the moment required it ; and that the population of the country should be strained as far as possible, in order to furnish this force.' Yet at the very time they are urging every nerve to procure this arm ed force, they are adopting measures to disarm a' great portion of the population of the United King dom. This he thought most preposterously absurd; he had given a painful and reluctant assent to ano ther Bill 'of this kind (the Insurreeliort ; 'but this Bill he must oppose in toto. The former was to be as it were a sword in the scabbard ; not to be. drawn out but upon an extreme emergency. • The latter is to be wholly at the will and discretion of . the Magistrates. He had much rather the Bill had been male imperative on the Magistrates than op tional to register arms, and,grant licences ; for then the operation of the Bill would extend equally to all descriptions of persons: but at present, trots a variety of impressions and prepossessions, it was' likely to be applied very differently to certain classes of persons. This he did not say trout any disrespect to the Magistrates of Ireland; but front a conviction how men's minds must be affeated nuder the pre sent state and Lireurustanceg of that Country. The only remedy, in his bpinion, against all these was conciliation and concession ; and then,, instead of being so distressed for men, you would have more than sufficient to answer the call of the present exi., gent moment. Why net follow the example of the great Lord Chatham with regard , to Scotland,--,. That great Statesman did not hesitate , to raise and arm men in that Country, at the 'moment it war thought Most ' disaffected. The Noble Lord then urged the same strain of arguments against the Bill, which, on a former occasion he had employed • against the Insurrection Bill, which he looked upon as congenial ; 'and concluded with moving, that the Chairman do now leave the Chair. Lord HAIYICESI3URY did not conceive it , ne cessary to preface his motion for committing the , Bill with any new observations, because the measure was not a new one, but one which unhappily it had been tinted aecessary fur some time to keep in force, and to the principle of 'which the Noble Lord had assented when he formed a part of the late Admi nistration, when that Administration passed the Gunpowder Act, which was exactly the same in principle with that of the Bill now before the House. He could `not consider the case of Scotland so applicable as the Noble Lord seemed to imagine it to be. :Lord Chatham undoubtedly raised Regi ments in Scotland at the time alluded to, but they were raised for foreign service, which made the case ve;sr different trout the present. Neither did the present measure argue any mistrust of the people of Ireland, as the Noble Lord appeared to insinuate.--- . Was there not itt Ireland a National Militia ? Was thew not in Ireland in excellent Yeomanry : the gre ter portion of which was composed of that par-' ticular class of persons to wheat the Noble Lord more particularly alluded ? Yet was there any miser trust be in confiding arms to their hands The objeet of the Bill was to keep them out of the ts of ill-disposed persons, who might be tainted with niischieous political principles; and the neces sity of doing so ha been generally felt and gene rally acknowledged. It was under the pressure o f that necessity that 'Government now aCted . in pro posing this Bill, and be was at a loss to see by whom t 4 could be fairly objeCied to.; - , . LONDON, • WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 12, 1807. A. report was this morning very generally drews lated, and obtained considerable credit in the higher Circles, that the Expedition under Admiral GAM.. BIER had completely succeeded; that our Troops had taken possession of the Island of Zealand, and that the whole of the Danish Navy, consisting of 20 Sail of the Line, besides smaller Vessels. was in our possession. We are unable to contra di& or confirm this report, but we can state positively, that at the time this Paper was put to Press no official accounts had been received by Go vernment. is morning a Mail from Gottenburgh ar rived : the last Letters from that place are dated the 3d inst. They state that en the Ist. the Eng lish Fleet destined for the Baltic was in sight ; and that an English Officer landed for the purpose of procuring Pilots for the passage of the Belts, but `without success. The Fleet then proceeded fpn its course, and as the wind was fair, there was little doubt but that it had arrived before Copenhagen at the time the Letters were written. Marshal BEE-. NADOTTE had bad an interview with the Prince Royal of Denmark, at Keil, the result of which wag not known, but a very considerable French Army . was in readiness to enter Holstein the ITIODACOI BEE-. NADOTTE issued, his orders for that purpose. Our EXpedition, therefore, arrived at the point of its deS tination at a most critical juncture, and intelligence !nay be expected every hour of the success of the Enterprize. We have seen some private Letters, which state, that it was confidently expeaed that the French Would make an attempt upon the Island of Rugen, as they had colle&ed upwards of 300 small Vessels : it is, however, not probable that they will make such au atte►upt Mita they are in possession of Stralsund. It is also stated, that the KING Or SWEDEN has published a Proclamation, couched in very strong terms. It is addressed to the German Troops serv ing in the French Armies, or as Allies of the French, and calling upon them to vindicate their honour and their national chara6tcf, by joining the only German Prince who lies not yet conde s"cended to make peace with BONAPARTE. ' A Board of Artillery Officers, of which General FARRINGDON is at the head, are gone to the coast of the Southern Distrid, from . Woolwich, for the pur pose of determining. un the best triode of defence for the Martello Towers which have been lately erected. The first General Meeting is expeCted to be held at Sandgate to-morrow. The lateit letters from St Petersburgh speak ge. nerally with confidence as to the removal of the re cent restrictions upon foreign commerce. It is grated in One of these, ". that things have taken a more favonrable turn ; and that great hopes are en tertained, that the Commercial Treaty with England will be speedily revived, and atfairs placed upon their former footing." The Ship Alert, from Charleston, is arrived at Liverpool : she sailed on the 14th of July, to which date she brings letters, the contents of which are confirmed by the arrival in town of a Gentleman who came passenger in the same ship. It appears chat Charleston was in a state of .the greatest alarm and consternation ; that meetings had been held, and resolutions of the most violent kind resorted to. The Commanders of the English Squadron had been hung up in effigy, and afterwards burnt. The order for. wearing mourning, by the exhibition of a crape round the arm; for ten days, had been very rigor ously attended to ' • and a Scotsman, in ridicule of the ceremony, tied a crape round the neck of his dog. This piece of mockery so enraged the mob, that they put the poor animal to death, and then procee.'led to the punishment of its master, whom they first proposed to tar and feather ; instead of which, however, they took him to a pump, and drenched bins till he was nearly dead. ' The Cardinal Yoitx had attained the age of eighty• two years. He was a quiet, inoffensive man—our good Kiug allowed him, out of his privy purse, a handsome pension. His death is of some importance ; for, we beli'eve, an A& with respe& to Attainder of Blood was to expire at the death of this last of the Stuart family. PERREGEAUX, the celebrated Banker of Paris, died lately at that place. Considering that he was .a rich man, -he weathered the Revolutionary storm very well, and lived to die of a decline, though a few years ago he was in such great danger of a sudden death. The harvest in the Western Counties, and, we understand, in all parts of the kingdom, promises to be abundant. beyond preCedent. The wheat in some places laid by the late heavy rains is clean, and toil in the ear ; the barley and pease very good; and t he apples in the cider counties aboi , e a lair crop. PORTSMOUTH, AUG. IL—Arrived last night 'the following Vessels from Hull, viz. the ProVidence, Ej)44 Sarah, Hope, Muniqme, Lively, Whim, and the Margaret, bound to Portugal. Also„ arrived this day His Ma jesty's Ships Linne and Sophia from the Downs. Sailed His Majesty's Ship Raven with a Fleet for Portugal, having brought to last night. The outward-bound West-India Fleet remain in Yarmouth Roads. PLYMOUTH, AUG. 10.—Arrived the Plantagenet, of 74 guns, from Portsmouth. The LElus, Oa- Mussoer, from Tonningen, bound to St. Thomas's, laden with linen, &c. detained by the Mars Priva teer; and the Sophia Magdalina, MAANCKE, laden with linen, &c. from Tonningen bound to St. Thomas's detained by the Lord Cochrane Privateer. Sailed the Lavinia F:rigate 'on a cruize, and the Entreprenante Cutter," with a Fleet of Viaualiers under convoy, for the Squadron cruizing oft L'Orient. Sailed the Cresar, IJappg Return, and Busy Pri vateers; on a prttize. DEAL, AUG. 1 I.—His Majesty's Sloop Cannel sailed this morning to tha Northward • and His Majesty's Ship Agincourt, and 4ergere S loop, sailed this by to the Westward. SEI EFAINESS, AUG. 11.— An ived the Pandora Sloop of War, Capt. SPENCE also several Trans-. ports, from the River, Arrived the Trompease Sloop of War, Capt. PoP. , LING, from the North Sea. Arrived His Majesty's Ship Childers; the Crpizer, Capt. STODDA&T, sails With convOy I 0 the Baltic this evening. DISTRIBUTION OF PRIZE MONEY. To the Officers and Company of ills Majesty's late 1140 Armed Lugger Phoenix, for the Capture of the ratrioten, on the loth August, 1794, will be made on the ;ph inst. No. It, Cecil-street, Strand, and every Tgesd'y utter for three years. To' the . Officers and Company pf His Majesty's Sloop Cruizer, the net produce of the,loll6wWg Captuies•ann Re captures:.. lena, 6th Jan; . adj ; litaave, 26th 1an:1847 ; Leander, -26th an., 1807 ; Guardian, 26th lan. 18 0 7, v. , ' it be made on board, the loth inst, and at No. 2, James-Stri:qt Adelphi, for three wombs.. To the Officers and company or. Hit Majesty's Ship, Ethanol', the nett pr.duce of the following Prizes : Fishing. boats captured 25tO.ittoC, 1803 ; Amphion, ,9th ; iklaj Dolphin, on time 2ot loth Noveniber, iSo3; and 1 Meta, kith Auost, tari4, wilt be made on the 26111 hist. a; Nu. 2 names-street; Afici irs. Tu the Oiticers anal ut Hi; Majesty's Ship An son, part of the proceeds . 05 the Spanish Ship La Guaira . .. loupe, captured on lite 14th December, IN,* At No,z,J4mires t , street, Adelptii, on the AOtil rust. ; and fur 'wee years.. To th e (Micas and Company of His Maje'sry's Gun-brig Attack, tor the Ciiptute ur L'Airifibie Gerirrane, Rmi the Olt ot March, 18z6, and of the Vrirxmit Gabriel, on the zAlt . April, !Soo, 'will be nude on board tile said Gun-brig un the 12th inst. and for three inoritits, at Nu. 12,, I.! prr . 1•11.1111::61• street. , • Tuthe'Otfirers and Company of His Majesty's Ship Critiier, for the Lai , : rJnatina Tiv,i in, on tit.: . 2 )'q fUne, nil, Witt 'be paw :)ual Sneaneas, on he arl /avail' ot. having been paid tile 13,11 0 1. bruary, tBo7 j, and every TueshystAt aitOr, net eleven and three, at No. a, ' arc° months. • To the Officers and Company of Fps NfAjc:;ly'S ship cruiser. tor the Capture of the 1 , 'itern:it, Augult, titoi, the Matte:, Unpei, Ant, and u-illearn' oq' bnalo at btkethebs, q iltr ar.lval, .114 4:vet, TueAtify mitt Satutday aft , r, between t - lcveninid Nu. a, tiainnietr Mott, Xttf4llCa, .or 'hire! niun• .is. MUltbERS.—On Monday se'enight, in the owl : day time, tht...e several murders took place in ihe neighbourhood of Fethard, in Ireemd. Tee jrr curtastances were as follow :—After the cuti mg of a field of rape, near St. Johnsioe n, lour of the pry who bad been engaged in it, and had got so ii6vhat inebriated, proceeded to the house one Delany, at. Knockinglass, against whom they harboured a 1 14 : vious malice. The party cons..(td of 4 man tiainea Meehan, the ringleader, two persons oft tie na • of Dwyer, and one Farrei—arriving at the houses wbich.Delany, on their approach, had shut, O . ); called him to come out—which, on the assUranFe safety from one of the Dwyera lie at length clia , armed with a ,'lane: They immediately kit tia" 4 bast and put him to death with the molt savage brutality. His wife; by whom he has left si)‘ °C seven children, in endeavouring to save him, %co, very much mangled by several wound s o n the hea d ind breasto—Atter the murder the villains retreated, and stopped for a short tune at a house not far from the place, in order to wash the wou nd s of .one of , in his own defence, had them, whom Delany, cut the wit murder ht''e ala ran ne througu Delany', .In the mean 'timtreientidsle, ho a party immediately pur s u e d t h e murderfrs, and came up with them on th e l an d s o f Clonbrogans when they instantly di s p atc h e d two o f t hem, Moe 'ban, the principal,. and one of the DWyers ; th e , other two, for the p resent , escape d : The WOMOI 5 outcry of life, we are glad to hear, is not in danger, and she is removed to a place of safety. An awful and truly melancholy accident occurred at Halley, in the Potteries, on Saturuay se'nnight, - in the evening :—Three of the sons of Mr. Wil son, a respectable nianufa&urer in that place, for their amusement, and as a preparation for celebrat ing the wakes the succeeding week, had placed three pieces of small cannon in the garden of the elder brother, which they charged with poweer and .waJding, and disposed at a short distance from each other; w!:en one of the biuthers was in the a& of tiring the first piece, the elder, with his. inthnt • child in his arms, was in the front of the third, and, dreadful to relate, the primiog communicated to the others, by which unfortunate event the hither , and child were literally blown to pieces, and in a moment rendered spectacles too shocking for hu- manity to contemplate, and that in' the presence of their nearest and dearest ties—a wile, mother, and - brothers. Their mangled remains, inclosed in the same coffin, were deposited in the timily vault ea Wednesday last, in the presence of numerous specta tors; and this distressing event Lids cast such a gloom on the surrounding neighbourhood, as all the hilarity attendant on the season was not able to dispel. .Coroner's Inquest was held on Monday b e f o re Ta o s. SPARROW, Gent, when the Jury, atter a minute to: ve3tvgat'on into all the causes which led to this melancholy catastrophe, returned a ve)'lia 9, f ,• dental death.- V11! .. .67 LSI.aLI 1../ la i. 10.11.0./... 4,, .0 motion, and negatlVed without a division. Lord HARD WOKE wished to propose a Clause . for . regulating the mode of promulgating the Bill ; bat after a few words from Lord lIRDES/14LE, the Noble Lord withdrew his Amendment. Thd Re port was then received without any Amendment ' • and an understanding was entered into, that the dif ferent Militia Bills would be read to-morrow a third time at half-past (cur o'clock.—Adjourned at eight o'clock. . MAILS. A22/ViD--.1 Gottenburgh, it Dublin, t Waterford. Dut—t Gottenburgh, 2 Waterford. THE SUN. sotAkt styli DICERS FALSUM 4UD4AT 1