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F I r. j Pr`PII _ , • 40. Go the Report of the Commisiioners, there were things in it which gave him greet pain to reed them. , In respect to the parties who drew it up , he wept believe the contents of it. He lamented the !vita. If punishment were due any where, let it jogs ohhe Somerset Magiitrucy, as they meat to to the reentry at large. :Mr. M. A. net aciwittleilirsie ittlish*. be omit rather condemn these on the mall shelving of the Hum. Baronet. He had reed (he Said) the -Report of the Commilsioners with relit pains and yet could uttribote no fault to the visit,. ittra Magistrates. whose duty it wes•to have prevent etithe occurrence Of the evils stated. Offend whom it 'might, tie (Mr. M. A. Taylor) most insist that tltd Magistrates were t. blame. Had they done their duty there would have been no need of the Commission to look into the dkmp dungeons; they wowed bane separated those imprisoned for leaser 'deuces front the felons ; they would have taken core that thereshonlil have been cleat teeter, porifying air, and proper cleanliness. He had visit ed-leavens in every quarter of thecoontry, and se Yee from meting the Somerset Magistracy, his ex. etivietice er all 'other prisons and visiting trains, led directly to condemn them. He hoped the light Hon. Home Secretary, whore humanity wet ft ronspicioni in Ireland, would teach those Magistrates that the watchful eye of Government mos ajs them. end that they could not trespass as they , had doe, without subjecting their conduct to the severest ettrutiny. . Mr. G. BENIINTT was not much astonished at the conduct cf the Hon. Rama oil this question, nor wituld he have thought it nee . y to midmost the House on it, but for some symptoms of approval which were lirsanwed by a few Members on the Annuals of the Hon. Baronet. He had forewarned • friend of his tlett the Hon. Baronet would deny the fact of Mr. 114111101 solitary confinement, and had predicted the very definition which the Hon. Baronet would give of solitary confinement. His {Sir T. L.'s) was the worst degree of solitary con tistement ; hut there were others which might well bear the .name ; one of them was, where the pri soner was buffered to enjoy the intercourse of his feinly, hut only on such needling couditions and in such atrocious compaey, that he vim compelled to submit to the wino and moot terrible punish ment of absolute solitude iu preference, when the rigour of the hew in its extremity was easier to suffer than the tender mercies of the Hon. Baronet. lie would have the B.,rotiet end the House to recollect that there were no other prisons in the kingdom where pulitieal offenders were compelled to enjoy she society of their families in cochleae) , with felons So far from the regulations of the Ilchester prison being general. or even resembling those of billed shire gaol, they were , exclueively arbitrary and cruel. The abuses bad arisen front the entire neglect of their duty by the Magistrates. There was sio such thug us a rule for this mumble prison (though the Act directed that there should be rules drawn up for the regulation of prisons, and hung sip for the lam-mutton of priseners) until the other day. There was no defect of ditiy—no impropriety, •hosever gross, which was not to be found in the histmy of the management of Ilchemter gaol. -Mad the Magistrates only looked into the books, they would have rimed proofs (slough of the abuses at every page. The rowes were full of interpola tions. lie thought that it would become the duty of the House to address the Crown to remove the visiting Magistrates from the Commission.—[Here the Hon. Member read part of the Report of the Commissioners of Inquiry into the State of the Pri am, which described the treatment of two female prisonsra, who were shut up in solitude on some pretence of the gaoler, furnished with bread and a bucket of water each, and refused any opportunity of laying out their allowaoce of perish money in •providieg comforts for their inflows, each having one at the breast.]—This was a ease which must appeal to every twat. This, and many other abases described in the Kama. must be attributed to the iteeligeuce of the - visiting Magistrate.. To them he wrath! look, And not to their gaoler, or any other tool they might employ. They had proved them selves with fur their situations, and had he his will he would never more let them exercise one magis .terial duty. Mr. Abler:nen WOOD thought it extreme seve rity that there was yet no amelioration iu the treat ment of Mr. Haut. The Report countenanced this teference.,.:ls it slated the Commissiosters to .hare found him suffering simple solitary confine silent on the very sense of the Hine Baronet. As to the plea of, the Magistrate', that the regulations of the prison..N9Y. 5, - and 6, prevailed a n y persons • f , ont going within de walls, why did they - not let Mr. Hunt enjoy the society of his family without the wade? The same regulations belonged to erre) , fiction in the kingdom. but wee ever this interpreta tion gveis to it before? There had been persons of the highest cunsideration confined in Newgete; the .same regulation existed there; but did the keeper • ever think of treating the Noble Marquis and Lord • who had been connoted there as Mr. Hunt had been .tieateil ? They always distiuguished in oilier places between such offenders and the felon,. 6 1 111 by keeping them oatside the prison walla, weaned them from being subject so the regulationx.• No t t.ing could hie more fickle then the conduct of them Magistrate.. They had uo offence to charge Mr., Hunt or any of his friends with, yet they were con tieuilly altering their regulations : one time he was to-have i bottle of wine each two days:aid the • society of his f. ally ; then. without any. enure. those tudulgeoces wcie with•trawn. tit wished the • htagistrates to make an seder which' . wo.ul6 have effect - ef remmring Mr. Hunt from these re striOnts which they had pot on him.: nserelv twit. would's4no, because be bud brought Inroad the uiesmaniegetuesit of the prison. 7 Tie Petition was brought - Oil the motion for reading— • . •.. Mr. 11-licifelue again exterlpateir the Magi,- oho had sheseu the utmoil, xraiiintie to re. luAli the abuses as soon as they theso,,and.4 tied to ckary into insitirtitiste 'Writ . the !Nee cosiintiailatidui.4.ll the COMMA iiii111011..4”410 they referred' •toethe uereranytkf hisrldiers p, new J 41 - .1 • .11..0.77A• •prhon- • . Mr. Unman. was stery.liis litYlelf; if • the MA yittiato; Nita the Repott•tiaidieti littrd at;out thaw ls heliostat than to chew dear character. His ohitui saviors blot that they ems to blains. Lie bad beard (he knew not bow true it wee) Out vu i Thetition was &derrd to be printed. - Mr. Aldeveen WOOD moved that the nit uini r- I — be - prin - te - d - : ----7 ----- _ 7 - . , Mr. Peet. said that course 1111111114111111Vellots ob jectionable. But he had cessirfetOsl Ilait the ex pense of printing the lodide-Am would set be very great, and there were pecullaritiereen the east., which prevented the right understanding of 'the Report without the minutes, to whteh it coutineally re ferred. Mr. Husta said that there was en votiblishwient iu the Navy Office, which, not being at present employed, might be usefully engaged in this bu siness. The Minutes were ordered to be printed. Mr. Alderman Woos moved for an Adder's to the Crowns, praying to hove the evidence of the two Coroners Inquests laid before the . House- Mr. Pest., for reit similar to tholiii be had ex pressed before, assented to the motidg•obiett was then denied. :I: Yet v: -. PENSIONS. , ..e ~. Mr. CRIEVET rose to make gooa liis pronititted motion on the Act for entibling his Majesty to re munerate persona holding high and efficient *ilea. lions, en Act which was little understood by the House, and not all by the country ; yet it was most injurious to the interests, and insulting to the feelings of the country, and subversive of the prin ciples and practice of the monarchy. He was not in England iii 1817. the time of passing it, or he might hate spared his motion. Yet this was a peculiarly proper time fur the motion, because till recently the Act had no operation, and the general suffering of the community gave it ad ditional impertauce. It was called no Act to ena ble his Majesty to remunerate persons having held high and efficient situation., &c. The title had nothing whatever to do with the Bill. His Majesty hid nothing to do with the interests of it. It was de.igned to secure a monopoly to certain dealers in political offices soil emoluments. The profits of the moment were to be divided with all the method of any other Imbue company. The joint stock was 4.1,0001. changeable on the Consolidated Fund, and the charter of the Company decreed the divi sion to take place in different- proportions among five classes. The first class, coot ' • g the Foot Lord of the Tre 'bury, the First Lord of the Ad miralty, the three Secretaries of State, and two others, were to have 3,0001. a year each out of it, provided they had moped fur the space of two year—a very hard period, no doubt. But to make it tolerable, it was mentioned that whether it ran on, or was made good by intervals—whether the service were done by the piece or by the job— in whole or in pateli-work. the operater should be equally entitled to 3,000/. u year fur life. Certainly this ought to have been enough for any reasonable man ; but there was another pension of 9,000/. added, which was without any condition of two years Novice. So that if • &Insister only served for two minutes it would entitle him—nay. if he only went tip and kissed hends.—(llear, bear.) — The Noble Marquis cheered as if the case were iu coiltemplotiosi.--(Laughter.)--There wets. however, six pensions reserved for this first class, on condition of two years' service, and one even of oncontlitional service. The second class, including the Chief Se cretary for Ireland, and the War Secretary, were to have three pensions between them of 2,000 f. each, the term of service required being five years. The third claps, including the Treasury and Admi ralty Secretaries, were to have pet:stows of 1,5001. each. The 4th class were to have six pensions of 1,0001. each. As far back so historywas known, and from that period up to 1817, Kings sod Queens of England were always supposed to have in genuity enough to find out the merits of their servants, and to be the best judges of the rewards they merited, and where the revenues of a Sovereign had been crippled, application had been customarily made by the Crown 10 the Houle, stating she merits of the individual., and advising Parliament to enable his Majesty duly to reward them. These uotions were all clearly done sway by the Act of 1817 ; there they would Nod merit determined by Act of Parliament, and a monopoly of the article vested in the parties named in the Bill. The King had nothiag sodo wish it—no more power or voice in it than a subject ; his Majesty could not violate the Company', chartet.—(Ltiughter.)— The Noble Lord laughed, sod very good reason he bad to laugh.—(lncreased laughter).—By the Act for the limitation of pensiotas, the King could be stow no more than 1400/. no pension on any sub ject. But here were his Secretaries declaring that they would have no less than 9,0001. e-year. The King could not travel oat of the record; he must observe the Company's charter. Really this had a very bad aspect. In mere generosity they should have abstained from asking linn so *Guilt to the Bill. They should have used the *eel of the Coe. poration for the occasion. The preamble to the Bill should have run, " A Bill to roahle his Majesty to act as Secretary to a Corporetion of Place.huldeis." The question was, how such a Bill'shotild have get , into the House : it puzzled him foe a little mime, he then turned over the Journals, and he found that it was brought in by Mr. D. ailhrrt, Mr. Benito), end Lord Castlereagh ; be found further that gentlemen were Members of the Finance Catuoutee of 1817 ; he found that the Bill bad been brought in ptireuent to the recommendation in the ikst Report of that Commutes ; lie further found Ilott the busi 'ties, of that Committee was::csconsiderhistr (Sr the ; espenditure.of the country usieht bee tedeeird. and 1 what Olittf measures of relief could be given is the I •det cultic. undyr which the cdounsuo 'Weft that 'We then -lebouriug, without detriment to the general hoe.; le rests. '1o.• supeolisual..ativorer it would seem-, set: noe hulls they. were tp 4elitre '4t. distrrssea of . l I: the counirrby viehig filinietirs 44.0001. a year M u ! perpetuity. Its anyoth,r use it would seem to Pie t , i out very decent in i the error- who were to beile4 I by it to pot forward such •• proposition. But 00 was a piivileged place, mud they Otte st lite:rty...zu I du that which t4ieie would be D i k igi.i,lbsitty of do ing in any the cornsuoilest pers4 meeting in o;eig- Ned. The Corporation, iu the preamble. stated the grouuds of their e lelrusiolio. and a bold hue they bad taken. They said, in cousequeece of , 4 1 / 4 4m*, h rep**, they give it es their it i• expedient and nrcertmry, 4 proper economy—till the abolition or the limes " .• thereafter 'Limed for - the losses thereby to he incurred to the holders." Here they advertised nthe grounds of the building which they intended to erect, and it wore for the House to examine them on their own title. The House would do. him the fa- . your lo follow him through a review of the several Acts which it would be necessary for 111111 to touch on, and be begged the Honourable Gentlemen near him (we believe Mr. Bakes) to check him as he went along, if he made any thing like an overcharged statement, which there aas little occasion for in • case where the bare truth was so flagrant. The recommendation of the Committee lied led to the introduction of several Bills, the first of which was an Act to regulate cer tain offices in the Court of Exchequer and the Alien Office, " from and after the expustiou of the existing interests." Here he would have the House to pause, and consider the delicacy observed to• wards a aniecurist—what pains were taken to assure him that no harm was to happen to him—that not a hair of his head should be touched.—[Here the Hoo. Gentleman recited the titles of several offices which were to be affected by the Act, the duties of which were for the future to be done in person instead of deputy.] The compensations to the holders were to be awarded by the Treasury, though the offices belonged to the household; so that it was merely a trainifer of patronage from the Crown to the Trea sury. The next Act. cap. 61, went to abolish ce►- tain judicial offices—the Chief Justice and Judges in Eyre. north end south of the Trent, and others, the duties to be referred to other offices now exist ing. This was all very good ; but why should it lead to the creation of sinecures I—why did these services require to be rewarded with 42,0001. • year ? The next Act, cap. 6i, went to abolish and regulate offices in Ireland. But because places were reduced were sinecures to in crease ? Ia any other place this would be call ed obtaining money under false pretences. It was Parliamentary seindling—nor more or legs. He defied any to deny it. Was it to he endured, because Ministers had transferred patronage from the Crown to the Treesury. that they were to have 41,000/. a year for it ?—[The Hon. Gentleman pro ceeded to ■u+lyze the several Acts of the same kind which were passed for the regulation end abolition of offices in Ettgland, Ireland, and Scotland, and then resumed his argument i n the Act in question. which had been passed to remunerate the lose of patronage and profit incurred.] — This Act was an effectual repeal of•the 6411 Amid., which required every Member, on accepting • place or office from the Crown. to yucaie his seat. There was no such condition ■unexed to these pensions. Mr. Yorke, who had vacated his seat under the 6th Anne. had reason to regret that he had not lived under the government of the Honourable Member for Corte Castle. Well would it have been for hum had he seen the establishment of the new dynasty ; he need not then have vacated Ina seat, and gone down and lost his election, and thereby lost hi. pension in the end. Surely a F,. nonce Committee was the greatest of all grievances to a nation. The Noble Lord could never have brought down a Message from the Crown, stating that his Majesty wished the House not to forget the services of public men—hoping that some mile would be done, if it were only just to include them in a corner of • Supply Bill. As to his Lordship having the profits, or legiriling the emolu ments of office, that was out of the question ; but he could never have dared to bring down such a message; he could never have sliewn his face again. The utmost• would have been • message requesting that, as in consequence of the abolition of certain places the Crown had been deprived of rewarding its serv.ints, the House would place at its disposal a certain sum to remunerate service,. But this was entirely different from the Bill which fixed the services, the pay, and the parties who were to receive it. He protested against this new way of doing things through a Finance Committee, and under appearuneea and professions of economy. He thought it very poor that remu neration should be given to men holding " high and efficient situations." Clerks were fortuerly thought fit subjects for remuneration, bat not Ministers. In 1780, in the administration of the Duke of Newcastle, who had been Minister for 30 years before, there was no thought of remuneration to persons holding high and efficient situations. Mr. Pitt had riot thought of such n thing, though he had framed a Bill to abolish patent places; and now, when we were 600 millions more in debt, to introduce such a maxim was insufferable. He wished to go back to the old method of messages from the C,own, instead of by economical eesolu lions of a Committee of Finance. He concluded by moving— " That an Adarese be prese•ted to his Majesty, prariag that be would be pleased to gure di,rctiuue, that there be laid before the House accounts of all the profit emu sing to the public fiom the abolition of certain offices, reduced under the Acts of 57 Gro. II f. caps. 60, 61,62, 65, 66, and ftel ; and also, accounts of all places and pensions go anted under the aims stiannal, in rosueasatiou for the abiditiuu of the offices ',Lined in the abuse Acts." Mr. lISICKEI said, that after the attack which the tHom'and Cermet! Member had made upon the Faience Committee of 1917—after his hewing said that:the proceedings of that Committee were en abotailiable !outrage—(Hear, hear),—tie House would, perhaps, be surprised to hear that that , Honourable and Learned Member (ilr. Creevev) haulmlf was a party to tile principles recommended iii the Report of that Committee—(Cheers from .the .allitostorsip) Bracelet.) —i hat he (Mr. Crrevey) and his friend,prar him ( slr. Bennett. as we under stood), were as much committed by the principle .of that measure 'cruller the Noble Lord (London . Berry) or Mauch' (%lr. Bunke..)—(Hear, bear ) lin order to palm whet he said as he went on, he would read a Resolution which had been !passed in that Home on the 01st of May, 1910. A debate lied arisen out of a variety of Resolution, proposed :re it Finance Committee, of which he (Mr. Bunke,/ wee Chairmen, in Me (as we soder ' *toad). lo that Committee one art al Resolutions had been proposed by Mr. ileory Ma rta). another by the Lite Mr. Pererv.al, a shard by the Right Hots. the Member forWaterforel (Sir J. Newport), cud a fourth by himself (sir. liat.kes). Upon the - ~.--, . . .s•-. 7. iierile lot these Resolutions various &Instil hati taken place', after which ri Resolution was ',awed by "the House (and he believed the Hon. Member for Shrewsbury was present as teller on that ocesation), declaring that it was expedient to grant to the Crown full and ample means to reward its high and effi cient servants, and that in any attempts to abolish or regulate such places, a strict regard should be had to the existing interests in those offices.-o-(flesr s hear, hear.)—The Hon. and Learned Member for Appleby (Mr. Creevey) said he was absent at the, time when the Act of the 37th of the bite King was passed ; he (Mr. Bankes) must certnisily regret thrill eircunietionce, whereby they were deposed of his valuable assistance on that occasion, and of Thom exertions of his great abilities which might 'whops save stopped them in the career in which they were running headloone. He knew not what the ciocuin. stances were which had occasioned that event, but he foetid upon referring to the prooceedings of the House at that time, that on a division which took place after a debate on a previous motion before the House on the same day, the tellers were Mr. Cree vey—(Hear, hear, and laughter prom the M.itiste rial Benches)—sod Lord Milton—(Hear, hear.)— , If the Noble Lord were present, he (Mr. Bankes) should have something to say to him on the subject of the eonsiatency of his conduct in regard to ibis question. If the Hon. Member were a party to the Bill at that period, he (Mr. Baiikes) shonld like to know what had since occurred to make him wish for its abolition. He (Mr. B.) had undoubtedly him. self been a party to the Bill, except that he wished some limitations to be applied to the operation of its principle, iii particular cases, when peculiar cir cumstances might appear to require them. The Hon. Gentleman then proceeded to read an extract from one of the Reports of the Committee of Fi nance, stating " that the Committee ob•erved that there were many ancient high offices in the gift of the Crown whio) it conceived might be usefully retained to be given as a reward fur great personal services, or to secure an honourable retreat to per sons who might have been many years employed in the public service, or who had sacrificed lucrative professional pursuits to enter into the service of the public." He also quoted a Report presented by Mr. Burke, es Chairman of • Committee on the same subject, which stated, " - At the same time regarding it as a fundamental part of the constitu tional preriogatives of the Crown, that it should , have the means of rewarding persuite who had dis charged the duties of high official situations in • manlier more adequate to the dignity, responsibi lity, and 'importance of those services, than by the daily pay or salary attached to those offices, the Committee are of opiiiiou that some sine cure places should be retained for the pur pose of being bestowed in rewarding persons who had discharged the duties of such high official situatioos; or in the event of the [loose preferring to abolish all sinecures, it appeared to the Commit tee, that it would be necessary to provide some other mains of securing to such persons a more efficient remuneration for their services than the salaries attached to those offices aff.irded." And from the language of these Reports. he argued that the total abolition' even of sinecures had never been in the contemplation of those Committees. He had heard various opinion. in that House concerning the Bill in question ; and he knew that there were those who advocated the total abolition of all pen nons, and who thought the services of most of the persons in official situations greatly overpaid even by the salaries of the offices in which they served. Persons who held such opinions might consistently vote for the repeal of the Pension Bill ; but having voted for the principles of the Bill in 181 i and 1813, and having been present in the House on the day when the Resolution was proposed which was agreed to in 1810, whether he actually 'voted for it or not, lie must say that he felt much surprised that the Hon. Member should have come forward on this occasion, nod spoken of the measure in the terms which he had applied to it.—(Hear, hear.)—He could only account for it on the sup position, that the Hun. Member wished it to go forth as a new and proper topic for the harangues at public meetings, such as those of the proceed ings at which so, much had been heard of late, that 42,0001. of the public money was actually expended in annual pensions to persons who had done nothing to entitle them to any remuneration from the pub lic, in consequence of the provisions of the Act which was now under discussion ; and that he also wished his (Mr. Batikea's) name to be coupled with that statement, as the author and adviser of the measure. The Hon. Member had attacked the Bill, and made it the subject of a charge against him, that it took the disposal of those pensions and places, as lewards, out of the hands of the Crown, and vested it in a corporation of statesmen. The Bill, however, provided that the disposal of these pensions should Always remain in the hands of the Crown, under the advice of its responsible • Ministers. Was there, he would ask, any thing unconstitutional in such a proceeding? But what ever the objection might be to the provisions or the he begged that the Hun. Member might not be allowed to escape front the position in which he hod tired himself with regard to the mesaure, by his asoent to the principle which pervaded the whole of the Bill brought its by him (Mr. B-nkes) in 1812 sod 1813, and founded on the Resolution of 1810, which lie had read. But even if the 42,000/. were all paid at one time, still, in point of economy. lie contended that much had been gained to the country bylthe Bill. In considering this part of the subject, it was necessary to look at tl e amount of the sinecure' that were abolished, and the places that were regulated ; and comparing them with the amount of the pensions autho rized by this Bill to be given as compensation for public services in high official situations, even if pensions to the full extent ',flowed were Owlet' under it, it would be found that a great staving had been effected by it.—[lii support of this position the Honourable Gentleman proceeded to compare the scale of the salaries of the sinecures in the Exchequer previous to the alterations under the Bill, with the existing scale of shut establish ment; but we feel it necessary here to state, that he occasionally dropped his voice to so low it tune as to render it at times wholly inaudible in the gallery.]—lleknew that it wa s ver y m uch th e p ram . bee to raise a n outcry, as if the weight of pensions and sinecures bore timidly and oppressively upon the country. That existing rights in some unnecessary offices had been saved, he was ready to admio,,aud they ought to ilve so; be in loin)! sinerore oft; at present in the gift of the Crown. no such existed. The thus. Member for Appl e by (ti . F. Creevey) mid hi' friends, if indeed hr had any friends to support hint on this ut - cinion—(Losiglo. ter)—were lotting moot inconsistently with their ruiner rooduct, hawing then supported the loin . ciple of the Bill, Slid Voted Fur the Bill itself. Hating induced the Crowe so part with some of Its most valuable rights fir the public benefit, thew would now take away the consideration which had been substituted for the rights so give, op ; bet was that fair? Was it consistent with committal jurtier mid common honesty ? Would the linear consent to it ?—(1-fear, hear, hear.)—Hartnti himself taken an active part in promoting the arrerigeineut *lnch had been loathe—haein r , naked. effected it agaiust the inclination of ii.e Minister, of the Crown. who Would hate beep gro.rly n. glectful of their duty if they had eve% consented to the diminution of those rights withotit some rettorn-z-lie would not now lend himself to any act so dishonest and disgraceful as the rescinding of the compact as mails. by taking awry that which hail been substituted as a consideration for vs. usable conceded for public convenience. —(Cheers from the Ministerial Benches.) 6 Mr. 11. G. BURNETT, notivithatittichtig all he heard from the Hon. Member who had joist sat down, upon which he begged leave to offer • few observations, could not look upon the Bill in goe s . tint, in any other light than that of a measure which ought to have beets strangled in its birth. The Honourable Member had charged him with having agreed to the Resolution of May. 1810. low it PO happened that hr was not in Parli .mrmt in ftTlO; iu 191 I'he carne into l'erliameat, a,id in 1813 Nnr Bill broug!it in by the Hose. Member. But to shew what his (Mr. Bennett's) opinion of the measure had been in 1817, when the Bill will intssed, joined his Hon. Fiend, who made an able speech nit the occasion, in opposition to it, because lie did 6,4 agree in the principle which was now lee Ainots stun ; and so strongly was he confirmed in the No niron which he then held, by subsequent esperieure, that hr would neglect tin mean. to iii. poser iu obtain the repeal of the Bill. The Hon. Gentle man animadverted in strong terms nu the emptitiew of the Reports of Committees of the House, suit the utter disregard of those Reports, suit the speeches they made on them, evolved in the con duct of the Chairmen of Committees ; and cited as an instance the Honourable Chairman of the Finance Committee; fur if hr were called maw to point out the Member of that House wins we. of all others the most extravagmit in his. mono, arid the most parsimonious m his professustis, - who nibbled at cheese-parings and left the whole cheese at the mercy of those who used tt i.. waste—he should say, such a mall was the Ilion. Member for Corfe Castle (Mr. Baokes). give some idea of the value to the country of the sinecn.r. of *Welt he complained, the Hon. Gentlemen detailed the salaries of offices of that description held by Lard Grenville, Mr. T. Grenville, the Duke of Brick. ingham, and Lord Braybrooke. who between them had received from the public purse to the amount of N 74,000/. The Hon. Member for Corfe Cante had talked very loudly of leaving the Crown hare ; he talked es if no influence whatever were left to the Crown. To shew how well founded was the Honourable Mensbet's complaint on filet head, he (Mr. Bennett) read • list of places and peussons at the absolute (nepotist of the Crown, andt others given by the Crown subject to the approval of Par liameitt, amounting to 164,000/. a year. Thee talked of granting these things as rewards for pith. lic services, when there was not a man who Resew any thing of the history of the country who war net aware that for the most part they were given as die consideration for political jobbing of the lowest de scription of baseness. As for what the Hon. Mem ber had said of the right, or the Crown, he (yr. Bennett) was at a loss to understand what hr meant. The rights of the Crown existed only for the heoelit of the people—(Cheers from both sides of the House)—and must bend to the rigida and interest• of the people, whose best and most valosbleyightwes that of the preservation of their roperty„—(l-leur.)— the Honourable Friend was entitled to the thanks of the country for bringing forward this motion. and as to those meetings of which the Hoinsorsh'e Member for Corfe Castle spoke so jeeringly, hr should like to see the Honourable Member at some of them—(lluch laughter)—he should like to see tie Honourable Member's conduct submitted to de: tret of • jury of public meetings, instead of a jury of that House—(Laughter)—instead of heiag held up as the patron (Aeronomy, lie would there be rola muted for what he really was—the advocate of meow and pitiful savings. but. at the mime time the sup porter of the largest and moat extravagant public expenditure—saving of pence and lavish of gunieas —the voter, sea he always had been. of extravagaut estimates, and the supporter of prodigality of every description.—(Laughter and general cheerine). Tile Marquis of LONDONDERRY thought that gallantly as the Honourable Gentleman who hot just sat down had conducted himself, he w ould,. on review of hot adventure, find reason. in point nt prudence, to regret that he had not taken the hints from the Honourable Member for Corfe Csvt'e. unit left the Perilous enterprise of cor...ing b • Honourable Friesid*/ retreat to some other !flea The Holt. Member for Westminster, he bettegarle hal offered himself—(Mr. Hoblioute bowed) — who, from having but recently come into Paha. mew, and not being mixed up with the former pro efietetedrilnPforonthtehisse Gentleman had stated amounted to this, that he was trot a party to the Resolution of 1810, but s rv u i b ee je . ct, might have here better Now he could not allow the lion. Member is take that he did support the the lBl2 H a n i n :l rBab li: credit for seven years of opposition in suppertnig the Bill, t n.I afterwards for seven years in opposing the Bill. Ile (Lord L.) himself had opposed the 11.11 at, the ground of the expense to the country. but rho (lot. Member supported it bemuse it Intl erected from the other side of the House. He knee slot what it might be called in that Houle, hut out of it it would be deemed very !ike swindling to pet sonde the Crown to give up part of its valuable pri vileges on the pretence of vccommodation to the public by accepting of something else in eschangri anal ofterwards alien what was so substituted wet claimer', withholding it altogether. The Honoura ble nentlemmi had ealubited unusually bad two in the detailing of the Items attached to that e' 'n, test preastelie• et t bite at tbf . .4eic 10 61 'ciente' had end, " We' ' ell reeds delved - they " iMiiso r t A MIRA and .. - Ike ; , cruet. ant re- and viggesing, made he liewies :erneceetal to on 1 - shot Mr" l - 11 a Nod th," Geer At Amu