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••••.- • IMPEIIVL PARLIAMENT. XLTUSE. LOADS—Weastesesv, Jew' U. SLYIsttsUR ss SEYMOUR. Catania were heard in continuation, and at con siderable length, respeaing the above cense, viz. Mr. Percival, as leading Counsel for the Respon dent. After which, the House, on the suotioa of Lord Lauderdale, adjoureed the farther bearing till Friday. Pending the hearings( Counsel, who were order ed temporarily from the Bar for the purpose, the Earl of Elgin. one of the Scots Representative Peers, was swore end took his seat. " Atter the Crese , el had withdrawn, Earl S CANN° PE rose and observed, that with respell to the intended procedings in Westminster 'Hall to morrow, he had to call their Lordships' at tention to— Here one of their Lordships moved the Order for the exclusion of strangers, which forthwith took place, and the House continued in close discuuion for surly two hours. MILITARY OPINIONS. . OD our roesimission to the House, we found H.% WK ESDURY addressing their" Lord attl on ibis subje4, rearaing which, he had on a owning given notice of his intention to • forward a motion. The opinions of the Mi med other officers on the topics to which he . were intended for the information of Go vernmest, and were given under the idea, that such .• its *aka was to be considered as of an official t lam. It Waimea sn understood by His Majesty's ' 1 dintillinistorn and it certainly contained a body of witeramitialle Information. This information, and the seJe6 to which it referred, was thoroughly in- Weetigeted ; and, after the fullest consideration, it wee eet derniesi expedient so tar to alter the ge neral state of the Army, as to adopt the measure, generals'. of enlisting for a limited _ term of years. This, be thought, was sufficient ground for the predation of these documents, un km some strong and decisive reason was offered 1 -by His Majesty' s Ministers ; and this ground was greatly strengthened by the consideration, that His Majesty's present Ministers bad come to a different conclusion upon the same,or apes other information. - -do this view, it was fair. with regard to the army, to • the interest of the public, and to the eharater both of the late and present Administration, that the do t CaXtelnis in question should be laid before the House. The issformation which he wished for. involved purely a military discussion. upon the advantages, •or disadvantages. of a particular military measure. The opinions had been impattially asked for, and he had no dealt bad been impartially and houtestably • these To the production, he could not serany nded oblation that could be offe-ed. With . to the idea, that opinions were of a di . • or ccieltradiaory nature, being an objehion. *Ss the contrary. thought it an additional reason for airbefore the ;as the diversity of and opinions might thee be compared, Inisl olosideeublii light thrown fin the topic under disk Loedshiesconsideratiou. He did not mean that •theso opinions should limit, still less decide, their leredepe determination ; but to contend that they were it subjects for consideration, and %het much att% light may be derived from them. To the ob- Ste of his motion, kw would set obit& a flight whadiiiiii. of it. Were the widener of infer- Ilnale genduced. it would do away any jeZtien ill the score of the informality of the letters trans- Witted. To put the House substantively in possession et the information alluded to. was his ehjeft• The paint el taw respective administrations having come . to a different concludes with rape& to these deco llation. was an additional teases for their predation ; it was right the public should know upon what greunds litelt conclusioneweee adopted. He eon locked by moving. in elle% on address to His Ma ti. prayieg that climates& may be given for lay - ltlYbcfere the House, copies of all official opinions of cella General and other Officers, transmitted to iiisllll,ll Highness the Commander in Chief, on the seijeot of mrsettnents. for a limitted term of years, atc. His Lordship then alluded to • portico/ars:leo ;sent. the nature of which we could not bear him elatedly describe. In the production of which, ne thought therzwould be no objeftion. and be ri pened his lOne that their Lordships would accede to the motion. Dar Bart of MOI RA said, it woold not be ne cessary to trouble their Lordships with many words the ;resent occasion. The documents s hich Noble Lord wished to have produced, would no ground whatever upon which their Lord 'could decide in reference to the business them. What might have been the intentions of the late Administration. with respect to them, I's could not say ; bat of this he was sure, that those opinions were net called for in the way alluded to by the Noble Lord. They were not caned for in say way that could give the Officers who commu *Ned their opinions, the slightest idea for sup itt. that oo any future time they would be made o l bjea of public or parliamentary discus:ions. The ornioas were communicated in confidence—a aisof laxity and di ff useness pervaded these corn : to my the Imo. se would he highly to t lay such documents upon the table, or M lades them the sable° of public discussion any may—the more so, when it was considered, that the writers would have no opportunity of explaining se of justifying what they had advanced. Fu dges the letters in ener.iou related purely to pro ? Zferl ohjats—to the interior discipline of regi. &c. important as far as it went, but not - seiseinted to form a ground for the discussion of • the groat, general, and es tansies measu ae, the I 'louse weeabout to discuss; besides, these documents had as reisrease to the existingstare or circumstance., of die country. The great change in those. which hod since taken place. was alone sufficient to rth a!l the considerations, upon general therein advanced. With respect so the tz bad himself communicated on the oc ey get even apply to t he then state of the cowry, dld the majonty o f them. They were caged spas to advise, not as statesmen, bat as General Officers. IA ith teseeet to the dotu ante t which the Noble Lord, in partictdar, emn osived there could be no o t, jection to pro(1“: ,- . le, ler one. telt himself cslled upon most stre..u. mealy to resist i;.s ptoduaion. He 'never could a~rcc to the la).itx upon Oat talle the opinion of a COMM ander-in-Chief, as a ground to influence or de termine t decision of that House W:ge such a thing att .pted, he. should no other reer join him, would ether his protest against the proceeding. The Measure to which the documents called for were said. by the Noble Lord, to refer, was one of a general and extensive nature, and embraced the most important interests of the country, and in this view, he con tended these papers were of no use whatever ; ad ded to which, 'considerations of . delicacy- he hoped would operate with their Lordships in rejesft;ng a proposition, to which he felt himself called upon to give a most decided negative. Tile Duke of MON (ROSE ni Ade severalobserva tions in favour of his Noble Friend's motion ; but which, as well as the remaining part of the discus sion and business of the evening, our very confines! ' limits do not allow us to recite. The Earl of SUFFOLK spoke shortly against the motion, and expressed his opinion, that as other means had failed, it was proper to try the experi ment of recruiting the army, by means of enlisting for a term of years. Lord MULGR AVE sank* at some length in support of the motion. With respect to the idea of the letters in question being confidential, on which so much Was had been laid by the Noble Earl (Aleira) opposite, he conceived a very different idea. At the time when he come nunicated his opi nion, as well as now, his conce, loci of the word " cofideetial,"which the letters were described to be, Was, that the respeaive icfficcis sh cu.,l not them selves commu,icate to each other, or in sty one, that they had delivered such opinions ; but by no means, that at no twine ,ime, or under any cir cumstances. it should n.t be made known, that they had delivered s ith opinions. Lord GRENVILLE. in a snort hut argumenta tive speech, opposed the motion. He was hostile to it. even in point of principle, as nhj -eti,ig ta any decision of that House being mad not upon wheat was a statement of faits or circumstances laid before them, but upon itmere exposition of the ar;iiments and opinions of other mcco ! Do' was a principle in Parliamentary deliberation which' he crii:4l not ad mit. Added to this, he agreed with his Noble Friend, that the opinions called fur were given without the least reference to such a measure as their Lordships would have to d;euts. The question was then put. when Lord Hawkes• burr's motion was uegarived without a division. The order was then road for the second totems of the Mutiny Sill- It was stoondirg y read II ll eund time, sad comer. icteml for Friday n e xt. liirt.J::STILE FOY On 'the abotiou of L 10 GkLNVIII.II.. the order for be farther cons intuit her in: ...t i e of Mr. Juoise Fs, :;ail the Pc khan of teat ',rained Judge, Ake. on Tuesday tire, was disetnniied, and renewed for lbursday slew -era. Tiff. stair. sr 11 / 4 T anve Lard ELDON, af er odv—ti! g to ids itaidequacy of the emolumen:s attic Led to the siru.st:oil cat t'iis useful and retspeaable Olizer of heir Lordships' House, who, to his knowledge, for several ;ears had served that :Acts to his ea •rt pacuitia.y vantage, Ste. and alluding to the vary tel rent situ eine) in which the Rerjeaut at A:1114 aise.!Citag the other House was Viet:J, prevotteJ P.La:1 !: " cron e Wat, sq. the Officer anutic-1 -0. p. Lag their Lordthips to take the act euineetrreces or his case into their gracious condderar 00. anti' order each nwasuscs to be wisp od el - eterin e 0 I s hett Lordshipss' wisdom and gautturis may seem we er. His Lordship was not pre t fly ..eci.t.-d as w the Mast preferable manner ut pr ereed.ng on the occa. eon ; but tl ought it would be roper to eeftr the Po titiem to the sonsirler a. irn of a Committee in the first instance ; ••nd he earnestly lecomin.:uici the sob jsB to the:r Lordriips' attention. Earl SPENCER expressed his concurrence in the propriety of what had falle a from tar Ne•ble and Learned Lord, and the Petition was ordered to be referred to a Crcrnmettee, to sit on Monday next. In the Writ of Error Cause, Lineard v. Mayne, their Lordships. after shortly tearing Counsel at the B ir, athrmed the Judgment of the Court be low, with tool. costs. Lord ELIX)N took the opportunity to remark win a consideratiou of importance, with rupee tie which. he conceived, some measure on the part of the House should be adopted. %Vhat he alluded to, chiefly respeeted Ow consideration of costs, which were, in no We (60 we understood his Lordship ) ) under the custom and practice of the House, to he awarded at a higher amount than 2001. ; this was evidently are inducement to the lodging of Appeals on intelested or onjusti.iable grounds, and operated as a grievance to the other party; as by means of the Appeal, :.ct only the property was kept pos. sessiem.of, and it- proceeds, or the interest of mo nies received, but the costs of the actual Resper.- dents mac am.ina to 7 er ROM Cr more ; and the Appellan:. feeling be should have no more thug 2001. to disburse, would be the mate :ns:uced. eel. dendy, to come forward in that character. These eonsiddratioes he earnestly recommended to the attention of the House, and particularly to that of his Notle Friend on the Woolsack. The LORD CHANCELLOR said, he per &SAT coocurred ina. *bat bad fallen from his .Noble and Learned Friend. Certainly, what he bad adverted to, was a serious grievance, and calla for decisive correCtion. After some routine hominess was disposed of, their Lordships adjourned till Tien ()Clock to-mor row, preparatory to the proceeding in the usual farm to the High Court of Parliament in West minster Hall. to deliver their it.a)c4imr on the Case of the Impeachment or Lord Viscocat MEL V ILLY. HOUSE OF COMMONS. Sir T. Metcalfe obtained leave to hr,:sit in a Dill to incorporate the Globe Insurance Conpany. Mr. R. Thorn: ln brought up a pctizion brood). curries', leather sejers, cf Colchester. %mama the Bull for the repeal of the }lapels AR —Or dered to be referred to the Cor..roitwe on the bill. Mr. ay n presented sirafuir retnKins fron. strums persons in the coun:y ; is virs::d. &:.s same or.i • was made. Mr. Alderman Cnmbe obtaing.l leavc to bri , •ril a Bill to anserd the act of t4.,•:1^,:h of the lt.ot, so far as related to ,:ompemat, n given in cant- i .c4Le t - the Iminovem:nts of tile Porto, I.ondrna. Mr. Dugdalt brolfiht tip a Pet;tiOTl from !h.: tan ners, saddler s, hairless maters, leather sellers, of Birmingham, against the Bill tOr the repeal of the Flaying 4.l.—Qrsiered to be referred to the Committee on the Bill. ' Mr. VA NslrrAit I: moved for an account nl the quantity of raw and disown silk, importe.! exported to and from Gie..t Britain, for tire but twenty years, endinilsw.—Ordered. Ile also moved for an account of the •alue of Goods exported from Great Britain duriag the GAMr pelitd, with the names of the particular Counties from which the same were exportel—Or- dered. Also, a Copy of the Agreement between the Lords Commissioners of the Treasury, and the Duke of Grafton, under the A& of the 43d of the King. —Ordered. Also, that the House would, to-morrow, resolve itself into a Committee of the whole House, to con sider the rates of Postage from Great Britain, to • the Islands of Gibraltar and hlalta.—Ordered. He then presented an Estimate of the Expenees of 'reeling a Court House in Palace-yard, West minster—which was ordered to lie ou the table. i He then presented the several Accounts relative to Silk—which were ordered to be printed. vi coo VIELVILLIp:'S IMPEACIIMENT A message from the Lords, infotmed the House, that their Lordships would proceed with the trial of Henry Lord Viscount Melville to-morrow morn ing, at ten o'clock ; and that their Lordships had agreed to the Irish Stamp Duty Bill, without any amendment. The SPEAKER gave notice, that he would be ready to take the Cbair at ten o'clock to-morrow morning; at h.411--past ten the Maragers' names would be called over ; and, as soon atter as poorible, the House wt-eld proceed to Westminster Hall. Mr. VANSIT EAR!. moved, " that the House will, tQ-morrow, resolve itself into a Committee of the whole flutist., on the :111 relative to Prussian Tarn."—Ordered. He then presented the Duke of Grafton's Agree. ment. and moved, " that the same be referred to a Committee of the whole llou.e td-morrow."--Or der The Custom House Fees Bill was real a second time, and ordered to be cos lint to-morrow. W. Alexander brought up the report of the Committee on the General Assessed Taxes Bill, al lowing the Ex-mptions of four per cent. for al children above two, to these paying Assessed Taxes of 401. a year, and upwards. The resolution was read and agreed to ; and it was ordered, tl.at the gentlemen anpointed to bring in a Bill, should make provision for the same aceunlingly. The Report of the Thrt-ad Lace Bill was re ceived, a a ordered to be talk-m into further con sideration ou bionday. Mr. Secretary Fs )X gave notice. that he wculd. tn-witirrow. Wive for leave to bring in a Bill to pre vent the carrying itt slaves in any ships but. those that nave sailed. for the present sewn. W4lll' INDIA !WM I'URS' BILL L'lrd l'llliTko;;Ytlseiirder of 'h., Day •vr the House to r• solve itself urn a Corn soiltee of th • wh"l • House. on the West India Au dit.Biil ;in is the question that the Speaker do leave tit:. Chair : RO.it.: begged leave to observe, that he thought the Bill had been pushed on with a degree rf otecipittiney which was not strictly justifiable He wou..i sh mite his objections to the Bills in the year 17:4 a correspondence took place between him and the Commissary General, in the West In- die., no the subject of auditing the Public Accounts to t-. 4 pact His klajesty's dominions. In •799, insouctions were rivets to the Cumnlt-si inert ap pointed to investigate the accounts fit that Gen tleman, and these Lommissinuers h .d acc:trdinp,ly proceeded so to do. Circumstances, bon - eve!, hi:O pened afterwards, which requited the appointment of other Commissioners in aid of the first ; those had p•oceeded to the investigation, and were em ployed io it. when the Noble Lord came into of fice. The Noble Lord came down tothe Houtz out of breath, and told them, that next day lie would astonish them ; and he had done so, by bringing in the presort Bia, wnich went to appoint as set of Commissioners for the s true poopme, for the provisions of the Bill were smelly the sense as those of the last Aft, under whigb the Commissioners have so long been acing, and he weold venture to assert, that a bol.ser pretence for obtaining patronage was never attempted. than that made by the pr sent Bill. without a-y pre tence whatever, that the other was not equal to etre& ad that w n required of it. The great ob jection, however, that he had to this 11-11, we., that by it power was given to the freasury, to delegate powers which belonged only to Parliament to de legate, and which had never been vested in any other hands. 1-le had examined every Act that bad passed for the appointment of Commissioners, s'oce the Revolution. and he found that in no one instance had any such powers been ever given, but by Parliament. There would, he said. to conse quence of this Bill, if suffered to pass, be nine new Commissioners. at a salary. he supposed. of 1,5001. each, which was a very heavy espenditure of the public money. If these new Commissioners would expedite the business. the eapeitce would be *ell bestowed ; but he insisted. that if the Noble Lord and his colleagues had managed the matter properly, this 'aperitif need not have been incurred at all. for the provisions of the Bill were as nearly as passiltle the same as the Aft now in knee, anu the old Cornmissiotieri cc.;ll have dime the business as well as the new. 'fl.-re were, however, some things in the Bill, which were r.ovel, and others that I>r thought dangerous. He only desired, there. fore. that the N ble Lord would in-fer going into the Comroitt..e on the NUL fur twenty-tom hours. that Sit might Ease time more fully ht consider the sev-rul part' of it and be better preparsd to cad the atienti.t.n et the libuse to their importance. Lord H. rtior said, he thought the Right Hcia., Gentleman dais not atted wiui any degree of canti.u - or fairness. or he would have made his re%nest for deld,?itrg to go in o the Corm:noun oil to.ntnrrow ef-ire be had stated so many obildions t ; toe Dill, as there would halve been no necessity rt Lee done so. unless his request bad been rt , llse Right Non. Gentleman having. how ever, it ori uis objedions to the aid. though be was tut tattlined it, WM 14 * 6 7 : 0 1 1141111 1 rt .1 it became necess y roe him to answer thr. 3a ( 1 14. thins as shortly a. po-Sible. Hi- denied, that 1..: came down to the 110 t < e no of Meath, at, 1 it was not. the fiat, that he sai.l he would astoltrlt them and he wonl,f prove, wit it the Bill cause into the Committee, or in any n her rag • ist the b•is;ue s .. thst the prim; ions of tau• Hut were very diir.rsat Irons chose of the A.5.t now in fuzee—shat the 11.11 wa s absolutely neces.ary—and that the objetlivas ut th e Right . Hon. Gentleman to the adu.unn• of Commissioners, wete idle and lus He lasit4ed that the Bill was not calculated, ner t.ireatd ti the mtaining of patrenitE,i.e, and that the addition t,f nine .Commissioner. wsaild not be any extraorditaiy espenee to she public, a. they wete intended - ohly to be temporal y, and that their appointment via-. l absolutely nee iisary, ht order to make their wog through that immense accunsulatioa of accounts which ha•l taken place, in conseqeence of the tn. gle& of those whose duty it bad been to take c.ie th.tt the public accounts slieuld have beat moperly audited, and who should have prevented thel: arising to that vast m.tss at which they now stoat. He bad no objeatun to .the delay required; but thought it necessary to say thus much, that the Right Hon. Gentleman's assertions might not in far work on the ignorance of the House, with u sped to the merits of the Rill, as to cause iaipre.. siuns against it which it did not merit. 'the Bill was then ordered to be committe.a. te. morrow. Mr. ROSE begged to know' of the NoYe Ltri, when be meant to bring forward his oth.r 8.11, is he should wish to be prepared to make his oh4.e-. stations on that also ; and to be able to thew tf.e House the great importance of their giving it t..eir utmost attention. Lord H. PETTY said, he hoped in a very f-vr days he should be abltr co breig fotwaid Ore mil to winch the Right Hon. Gentleman now alluded. Mr. ROSE gave notice, that he wortli to-rntr. row move for certain accounts, which would be necessary to throw a light on this ,übjecl. INLIIA PATERS. Ter. PAUL moved for a copy of All the crate. spondenee between the Secretary of the Gaveritur. General and Major Ooselry, Aid-de-Camp to the Nabob Vizier of Oude, from S.ptembet, 16M, to January, 1803. Sir A. WELLESLEY said, he did not rise to obirtet to the produet ion of the papers moved for ; hut as they related also to the transaCtions of Mr. 'Freres, who was not at present in this country, he• submitted to the Honourable Gentleman, whehet it would be candid to bring them lot ward ? He had otherwise no obket whatever. Mr. PAL% said, the papers were of the first im. penance, to elucidate the charge he had laid ea the table, and he must persist in nis motion. M-. WELLESLEY POLE coincided io opinion with his Honourable relation, on the subjedt of Mr. Treks, whose charaeler would be implicated, with. out 114 being ahle to defend himself ; as to hin -e:f and his Honourable relation, they had neither of them any objeCtion to the papers. Mr. CREkVY thought the lloncuralik Grotty. rran shinnd have given notice or such a motion as the present. Mr. PAUL said, that after the Ci•a-ge had been so lung on the Table, he did ne: monk he was or ought to be confined strialy to the rules respeCting notices. It was very differom from the first opepsog of a business of this kind.—The ;rapers e-re hlkoly essential to the elncidatioss of the 1 Charge, And ha thought he had a .iglit to move for tnem immediately ; he had, ho...ever, •no o'y T. than that what bad passed should stand as a n.xce to-morrow. Mr. P. NIOORE gave notice, that he would to. morrow move tor certain papers relative to lodic. Sir A. WEI.LESLEY moved' for six Inclusurse from the Governor General in Council, to..tkin Court of Diteaors, datsd the 28th of Marc*, I 803.—0 r dered. CHELSEA HOSPITAL RILL Mr. Secretary WINDHAM moved the third reading of the Chelsea Hospital Bill. On the cuestion being put ; Mr. HUSKISSON said, he had, in a former stage of the Bill, made his objeftions t•s n ; and those objections lied been answered by the sup porters of the Bill. He had since maturely consi dered the answers given, and he found himself still of tire same *plaints, and, Own-fore, kit it to be his duty to re-s:ate those - bl3ik dims. He then said, he LI./ _lett a ry attempt t r ilv.tie the prerogative, or to intrer...h on the privi.eges of tf.e people, were equally wrong, as both were esse n tial parts of the Constitution. Che Rigl t Honourable Gentleman, in his military plan, had, in his opinion. done both; and it had bean mentioned, as matter of surprise, that those, on the same side of the House with h'Jn, whn objefted to the inva sion of the prerogative, should stand up for the privileges of the Pe iple. He though:, however. they might do this without the smallest degree of inconsistency. He then proceeded to repeat the objections he had before made to tie Bill; and dwelt particularly on the idea, that. by this plan of limited service, the Veterans of the Army w:,uld be con tinually obtainiaz their di•charges, and would re main is the country, living on the bounty of the Crown It was by sigh mes as tbise, that Mathit and Syfla, among the Romans. overturned th. Constitution of that Country, and it was dangero:: to place uds in a situation in which the same cliangt . might be one day effected by the maciiina:ions o f the discoereated and the ambitious. He thought also it %iris another very strung objection. t.i.: when men were enlisted for seven years positlrel - Parliament stood pledged they should be main tained fax that term ; anal if a peace should ta'.a place in the intetins, they could not be discharged wOhnut 4 breach of faith. wilich assimilated to a permanent Army. From these various cciis:- derations, be :mild out give his ascot to the thitJ reading of this Bil!. Geoeral TA)SLETON moved, " That th floule (which appeared at this time very thin) should be counted;* upon which strangers were or dered to withdraw i lin., there heirg 40 Waite.: preier.r. the discus s i o n comln ord. Oa cur ra-adtnission. we found \lr. WINDITAM obseiving that the eentidc..- placed in Use Crown by this kiill, was no mor was easally .lone in co:mi.-trial and otht r crc. Csiter we:a canclu.led by the King's Fero:, .1 • bat si enlist it sty' Thent f , re, other of tl pop' soni, p cn Ich ;Mb • The .defe the pers of lean the be e aft. ei she and rio: zeta thei and TTI3I thAi • L abo wai fair •al wh SIC, sho MC lia SVC ZOIJ wh eni du of an be to ' 4. VI be it a H el