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= M FEINMRIIIII r 777 7 r - Vr. J ties of a Court was locked Op in the breast of 04 iodividual, though the parties had applied to him iu bodies, persoually, and by letter, he could net get one of theta, nor the solicitor of any owe of them, to put him is possession of his case. with islet! authority to make his own use of it. The reason of this drewd snort be too obvious to need explores tron.—(l4eer, hear.) —There wee one apneal entered in 1814, and it was at the heed of the paper in 1819. There was another appeal from the Rolls Court in 1812, which headed the return on the table and sew stood fur judgment ; and he could state furry instances as strong. He knew a person of Moderate income, who came to what he thought a God-send, one-twenty-eighth of a oertain property near Islingtnu; the shares were valued at 1.200/.—' An amicable suit in Equity was necessary for the adjustment. It remained in Chancery twelve years. The adjudication was, that the property should be equally divided. The man hud to pay for the costs on his share alone 7501., and received after all that delay 4501. into his pocket. He knew the case of two - ladies on whom devolved a beneficial lease of twelve years, by which they hoped 10 save them eelres from indigence.. The property happened to he in actual raseuino of a rich fat attorney. who perceived their inability to eject him, sticLwitlistood them. A trial, however, was had, and a verdict obtained. He moved for a new trial, which was refined. But what happened ? An error was dis covered in the record. The case went up to the Lords, where it remained ten years. One of the ladies died before the hearing, and the other survived the bentficirl lease, already nearly run out. It was quite usual for a case to remain ten, twelve, or fif teen years before decision. It was a general con •iction in all branches of the legal profession, that once in Chancery, no one could escape without suf fering severely. He knew that much was to be raid in favour of justice, when it did arrive, and 161 the purity of that jurisdiction could not be suspected. No question but every thing was done by the present Chancellor and Vice-Chancel lor, to subdue the arrears of business, which yet baffled the claim I f hearing to the suitor. But all their toil was ineffectual. He stated hit object to be, to replace the Courts of Chancery on that high, efficient, and useful footing which they held before, and release from their functions that tendency observed during the last two years, of enhancing the litigation mid expenses of soils most immoderately. There were two Com mittees of Perlianteut cm this subject iir 1811 and 1812. It was then resolved, on account of the flagrant expenses and delays of suits, that a new Court should be established, to assist the dispatch of business, to be called the Vice-Chancellor's Court. The Bill was opposed in its passage through the House by some of the greatest men— among them, Sir S. Romilly, who exerted all his eloquence to induce the House to refuse their con lent. When he mentioned that great and revered man, he mentioned one who, for his skill in equity jurisprudence, was equal to Lord Nottingham or Lord Hardwicke, or any other, how great some, who had adorned the jurisdiction of the country.— la an evil hour the House passed the Bill, and by that cot off the privilege of suitors in being elite to claim hearing before the Great Seal ; and so rest was the confidence in the sort of person who was likely to be chosen. that hardly any cause was set down in the Rolls Court, which could be taken before the Lord High Chancellor of Eng land ; but the other duties of the Great Seal estranged him from his Court, and business grew so fast upon the Master of the Rolls, that Sir W. Grant, a man of most luminous and acute mind, was obliged to retire from it-9bserving. that from the work he had his back was broken. As to the proper duties of the Great Seal, the King might appoint him Speaker to the House of Lords; but by every definition in every law work, his chief bust cess was to administer justice in his own Court with the least expense and delay. What would Lord Hardwicke say if he had seen the day when there was no approach to the Great Seal, but after the judgment of the Vice-Chancellor, with double expense and threefold delay ? He knew that Lord Eldon was the very first property lawyer that ever held the Seals; but how was he circumstanced ? fie could scarcely get through a statement be fore a message came, and he had to pack up his zones to attend a Cabinet Council. He was be come, in short. • Cabinet Minister more than a Judge. Sir S. Romilly had prophesied of this * tent in his pamphlet on the erection of the Vice. Court ; he had finished his statement of evils pre. dieted with that of the alienation of the Chancellor from the business of his Court. He would prove thst Sir S. Romilly spoke truth, if he could read figures aright. In the last eight years and a half the Lord Chancellor had heard 53 causes, the Vice- Chancellor 2,3sB.—(Hear.)—Was that withdraw ing the Great Seal from his jurisdiction or not ? He knew the pains Lord Eldon took to examine papery, and save the trouble of reference ; but would any one deny that he was drawn away by his other duties from those of his Court In eight years he had heard 157 appalls; the le tents on the table contained 109 appeals, which at the former rate would take four years to hear them. He knew that the Lord Chancellor had not a mi. nate in the day to himself for all that. He made other statements to shew the great increase end "low dispatch of cases, and the vast accumulation Crum appeals on the Vice-Chancellor's judgments to the Lord Chancellor, an event which Sir S. Romilly had anticipated, and foretold all the con sequences, both as to defeating the purpose of easing the Chancellor, and multiplyiug expense and delay in the suits. He expatiated on the horrors of what he termed an equity ordeal. The Noble Marquis certainly had no bed of roses, tett it were better for him to hold his place in the House two additional months every year than to become a suitor io Chancery. Then he would go to the House of Lords. The preamble of the Bill by which the Vice-Chancellor war created set forth, that, " whereas the number of appeals had of late years greatly increased, therefore, as well as for the better administration of justice in the several offices of the Court of Chancery. it was necessary that another judge should be appointed ;" that is. it was necessary that the most considerable part of the husiticie of the Court should be ownfided to a Deputy. By the return of the number of appeals hoard in each year since the appointment of a Vice- Chancellor it appeared, that in the first year they were 6; iu the second, 84, which was certainly a 1 1 ! I I 75%://r7ll . j , Rest number in the third. 54 ;in the deal, 40::, then 95 ; then, ire; then, 41; then, el; slid lastly', 46. The woe the rate at which appeals had been dispelled of iu the last pine years dean to the 10th WY. 180. The number then to be heard, and already a ppointed was 12e; the total number of appeals en- t ee ell.was 155; which, taking the average of the nine years which hr had enumerated, gate 38 as the number heard in each year, it would take four year• to get rid of. Was that, he would ask, a state of appellant jurisdiction to which • suitor ought to he sobject, after having been forced through such course as he had already described, in the Court of Chancery ? Ilad then the object of hartenitig the decision of appeals, arid affording relief to the suitor, been answered by the results of the Vice-Chancel lor's Bill ? The Noble awl Learned Lord at the head of the Court, and the officers of the House of Lords, said that unless mime means were takeu fo► geniug rid of the Scotch eppeals, they never should be in • better condition ; curl he heard that there was to be another tribunal for the purpose of those appeals. Take away those' appeals, take sway the bankrupt business, arid the motions, and he would ask whether office of Lord Chancellor would not then he half a sinecure? He knew that there was a necessity for some better regulation of the Scotch appeals; and the Judges in Scotland had wished to have an intermediate jurisdiction ; taut the Bill for establishing the office of Vice- Chancellor had set said, that idea. He sated, therefore, 'whether looking at the ancient constitu tion and jurisdiction of the office, it would not be better that a time should be fixed at which the Act creating the office of Vice-Chancellor should he taken out of the Statute Book, and some other more effectual modification he given to the admi nistration of the Great Seal ? If they were con vinced of the truth of what he had stated, he would ask, whether, as honest men, they thought the debt due from those Courts to the suitor was amply paid and satisfied as it ought ? If they thought the Suitor had no right to complain, then no language he could use, no declaration he could offer would be of power to persuade the House toconfarm to his views. But he was satisfied the House would not suffer these things always to remain as they were at pre sent. He would ask, whether the House did not think that some measure ought to hr adopted for improving them ? whether it could refuse to sanc tion an inquiry, whether the establishment of a Vice-Chancellor's Court had effected such a change as it ought, arid whether it might at some future time be expedient to substitute some other measure? Till lately he had entertained hopes that the illus trious individual who at present held the office, seeing the evils that so manifestly existed, would himself originate some Bill for their removal. That noble person told him he disliked his plan, sod wished him not to press his motion before the Easter recess; with which wish he readily complied, io hopes of some proposition on the subject proceeding from him. Since then, howe►er, that learned per• son had told him that he had come to the deter. initiation of resigning the Great Seal—(Hear).... though he aid not say when—(L•►ighter)—and therefore lie did not like to originate any measure on that subject while he remained, but preferred leaving it for the consideration of his successor... (Hear, and a laugh.)--He (Mr. M. A. Taylor) did not feel it to be very material to himself what plats might be adopted, but he was convinced that some measure or other was necessary for the cure of this crying evil, arid he therefore told the Noble and Learned Lord that lie felt it to be his duty to urge the subject upon the consideration of Parliament. lu the performance of that duty it was, that he now moved, " that the House will resolve itself into • Committee of the whole House for the. purpose of taking into consideration the Act passed in the 53d year of his late Majesty, entitled an Act to facilitate the Administration of Justice." He would then state that it was his intention to propose to the Committee to recommend that the said Act should continue in operation for two years longer, and at the end of that tense that it should expire, and be followed by souse other more advantageous measure. The Arroamay-GurraAL said, he could not for • moment imagine any reason why his Hon. and Learned Friend should not at once have moved the repeal of the Act to which he had alluded, in stead of moving for o Committee to inquire into that upon which the House was able to decide at once ; for his Hun. and Learned Friend had made up his own mind upon the subject, forming his opi nion from returns which were before the House, which shewed, as he conceived, that the effect of that Act had been to create such an additional de lay and expense to the suitors in the Court of Cllllo. cery, as called for the interposition of that House, and that interposition he conceived should be direct ed to the cutting off one of the existing branches of that jurisdiction, which he contended did not con tribute to the dispatch of the business of the Court, but enhanced the delay which lie sought to remove. His Hon. and Learned Friend contended, that in consequence of that Act, the attendance of the Lord Chancellor was more given to the hearing of appeals in the House of Lords, but that his .itten. tem was thereby withdrawu from the other business of the Court of Chancery. (The Hon. and Learn ed Gentlemen then entered into • warm panegyric open the ability, sea!, and conduct of the Lord Chancellor in the discharge of the duties of his station, and upon the assiduity with which he attended to the business of the Court, where lie - sat from the month of October in each year to the month of September following, devoting even those days which were usually kept as holidays to the discharge of the molt pressing business of his Court.] Ile thought the attention of the House would have been mach better employed if it had been drawn to the-present state of the bit. siness of the Court rather than the returns upon the table. They would 'hew that, except with respect to the appeals in the House of Lord., there wa■ no accumulation of business; for there was no cause now on the paper which had been set down for • hearing anterior to the last term. HIM lion. and Learned Friend had mentioned a case of au amicable suit, instituted by is parry entitled to the twentieth share of a particular sum of money, which was le years pending in Court before the money was paid. . Unless under some particular cireninstaticers, such as the minori►y or absence from the kingdom of some of the patties, which were not unlikely in ■ case where twenty persons were concerned, it ap peared to be utterly suipoasible that an amicable suit ' should have bftu of that duration ; and in a case 1 ""• 1 1 1 7" . - where delay eras caused by inch circitmalineei it he hid mentioned, no biome could attach to the Court for such delay. The Miser case which had been mention e d o f the writ of error in ejectment, had nothing to 'to with she delays in the Court of Chan cery. His Hon. and Learned Friend said there was • great number of appeals on motions ; but • motion was very often in fact a hearing of the cause, and by its result terminated the Suit. 'Flue same was the case of appeals to the Chancellor from a hear ing Wore the Vice-Chancellor, which was in fact nothing more than the rehearing of a cense, to which every suitor had a tight, even formerly. when the cause had been heard before the Chan cellor. The impression intended by the Hon. and Learned Member's statement evidently wee, that in consequence of the establishment of the Vice- Chancellor's Court, fk Lord Chancellor sat at home at ease, and lAA/eery little to do, compared with the business dispatched by the other branches of the Court. How far that impression accorded with the fact, would appear from the returns before them. It should be borne in mind that while Parliament was sitting, the Lord Chan cellor attended in the House of Lords three days in the week to hear appeals ; and it should also be recollected. that every thing which came before him was of great importance, and in most cases strongly litigated. In the year 1821 the Chancellor heard eight causes with exception.. —(Hear, hear, front the Opposition benches.) — He understood that cheer, but it should be recol lected that the motions to which he should come presently were for the most part the same as causes. He also heard in the same year live pleas on de murrer, 57 petitions, 103 bankrupt petition., 245 lunatic petitions, and 418 motions, every one of which, or at least the majority, were io fact causes. In that year there were 890 different mutters 'dis patched by the Court of Chancery ; in the year 1820 there were 1,015, and in 1819 the number was 1,111. Looking at the figures then, no man could say that since the establishment of a Vice-Chancellor the Noble Lord had withdrawn himself from the busi ness of Ins Court. He came now to the appeals its the House of Lo-da. The number of appeals dis posed of in the Lords front 1803 to 1812, the tea years preceding the establishment ache Vice-Chan cellor's Court, was 193 ; in the ten years following there were 419 appeals disposed of. How then could it be said that the creation of a Vice-Chan cellor had led to increased delay in the hearing of appeals ? The Han. and Learned Gentleman then enumerated several appeal causes which had occu pied a long time iu the hearing, and the decision of which bad been greatly forwarded by the in creased attendance which the Lord Chancel lor had been enabled to give ia the House of Lords, in consequence of the establishment of • Vice-Chancellor. The number of Scotch appeals had certainly much increased, and if they continued to poor in as they bad done, undoubtedly some other means must be adopted for disposing of them. But so far front the number of appeals before the Lords requiring the number of yews which hi. Hoo. and Learned Friend had stated to get rid of, if they were proceeded with at the awe rate as last year, when 48 had been disposed of, they would require zither less than two years. In no branch of the business of the Court of Chancery had any case been made out of any arrear of which the suitors had any right to complain, and still less of such an accumulation of Wiriness, or such an increase of des lay or expense as to call fur the Intel ferenee of the House to operate the changes which his Hots. and Learned Friend required ; and lie therefore felt himself called upon to give a decided negative to the motion. Me. WILLIAM. (of Lincoln) admitted the pos sibility that the claims of the Noble and Learned Lord at the head of the Court of Chancery to the warmth of panegyric with which his Hon. and Learned Frieud, the Attorney-General, had spoken of his vertices in the discharge of his judicial do ties, might be perfectly well-founded ; he aI•o admitted that his Hon. and Learned Friend was perfectly competent to judge of the validity of those clainio. But he should riot attempt to follow the coarse of his Hon. and Learned Friend, or to juin in his encomiums, for fear of weakening, in ►tead of contributing to his authentic panegyric, because he had not had the same opportunities of judging which his Hon. and Learned Friend had enjoyed, and the little dist he had possessed had not been of the most favourable nature ; for, almost the only experience which he (Air. W.) had had of the mouser in which that Noble and Learned person exercised his judicial powers, was on an occasion in which he appeared in the ambi- i guous character of party sod Judge.—(Hear, hear.) —Leaving therefore panegyric upon the No ble and Learned Lord out of the present question,. with which it had nothing whatever to do, he would proceed to the un,:ion of his Hon. sod Learned Friend, which was perfectly consistent with the view which he had always taken of the subject. He was quite at a loss to discover how • reference to the papers before the House could lewd to a conclusion adverse to the preposition of his lion. and Learned Friend, which :Sm . , turned on the ground that the butanes', of the Court of Chancery had taken a new directiou, which was injurious to the suitor, and which led to an increase of the number of ap peals ; for, if any body would follow down through ' the returns the causes heard and decided by the Vice• Chancellor, he would ILA them to exceed in the proportion of ten to one the tininber of those de cided by the Lord Chancellor. lie contended also, that the operation of the Vice-Cliancellueo Bill, to increasing the number of appeals, sod driving the suitor on from one Court to another, had greatly re grawnlell the complaint, winch was as old as the jurisdiction itself, that if a person once gut into Chancery, he could never get wit again. Mr. 11. Twits and Mr. WETHERELL rose ■t the same time, and • 'mortal call Willi mode fur Use latter, hut the former Gentleman having caught the eye of the Speaker obtained the iirecedence. He detailed to the House the results of his calcu lations from the returns on the table, 'hewing the pruporttou of every branch of Chancery husin•sa disposed of by the Lord Chancellor and the Vice- Chancellor sine the creation of the latter office, and that not only had no accumulation or smear of business taken place, but on the con trary increased dispatch, and a rapid reduc tion of the pre-exieting wren of business. He therefore contended that there was no reason for carrying the cadets activity of change, the rage of Irrrir"7 ii ' ~-+~'- • .. i . . the present day, i nto the coustitotion of oar Courts of Justice. Mr. M. A. TAYLOR replied, and said, that year after year, n long as he saw the evils of which he comPluined continue to exist, he Would renew his endeavours, and persevere in his exertions to effect their removal. The House then divided—. Noes Ayes Majority against the Motion . 67 MINISTERIAL PENSIONS. Mr. emuavow rose to submit his promised mo tion. He was aware that at that late hour he Is. bowed under a considerable disadvantage in bring ing forward tins important subject. When last he had the honour of addressing the House upon that question, he merely moved for some documents, which were to make the foundation of the ulterior proceeding, which he now called upon the House to consider, namely the propriety of repealing the Bill commonly known by the name of the Pension Bill. He knew that when he called upon the House to adopt • measure which went to take away 42,000/. a-year from the Administration of the day, paid in pensions, he imposed upon himself a most difficult task ; but so fortified did he feel in the unparliamentary. nay, iniquitous character of that Bill, that he was not deterred from taking the sense of the House upon it. His allies upon the occa sion should be public opinion through the pub licity of their proceedings and the forms of Parlia ment, sod he was confident that even though he should be left in • minori►y of twenty to-night, yet ultimately that Bill would be erased from their Statute Book. The course he meant to propose was, to submit certain Resolutions, containing the f ac ts upon which the House were to decide, and when these facts were in the shape of Resolutions, and before the public, they would be able to form an opinion upon them. It would, perhaps, save the time of the House, as well as trouble to himself, if lie ►hould take the Resolutions as his test, and re mark upon them as he went along. The first Re solution was— It Resolved—" That it appears to this Howse, he an Act passed in the 67th year of his late Majesty. e. 66, that • auto of 42,0001. per annum is charged in perpetuity upon the Consolidated Fund, to be divided in pensions among certai• persons who shall have held certain public offices under the Crown for certain periods of time, viz. six pensions of 3,0001. per annum emelt, to such persons as shall have held tile offices of First Commissioner of his Majesty's Treasury, or one of the principal Secretaries of State, nr Chancellor of the Exc►equer, or First Lord of the Admiralty, for s period of not less than two years in the whole, either isainterrept. edly or at different times. Oar other pension of 3,0001 per minuet to any person who shall have held say of the last. mentioned offices, without being subject to any linsitstion or restriction whatsoever, as • duration of service. Three pen- Mons of 4,0001 per 'anima each, to such persons as shall hive held the offices of Chief Secretary for Ireland, or Se cretary at War fur soy period not less than bee years is the whole, either uninterruptedly or at dill:Tent times. Six pensions of 1,5001. per annum each, to such persons as shall have held the offices of one of the Joint Secretaries of the Treasury or First Secretary of the Admiralty, for any period not less than See years; and six pensions of 1,0001. per annum each, to such perilous as shall have held the offices of the Under Secretaries of State, Clerk of the Ordnance, or Second Secretary to the Admiralty, fur any period out less than ten years." The second Resolution referred to the pretence upon which the Act was founded, and was ale :-- " t. That It appears be the preamble of the last-recited Act, that such sum of 42,0001. per &nests is provided fur the different persona therein seamed, or secant of, and as a caimpeaation for, the abolition and revelation of different public offices by other Acts then sad there passed, and which will deprive 11w Crown (as therein is stated) of part of the means by which his Majesty had been heretofore enabled to recompense the meritorious services of persona holding, or who have held, high and efficient public offices." Hitherto it was for the Crown to find out the me rit* of its servants, and the House of Commons was applied to in order to enable the Crown to confer rewards where they were doe. But by this Bill a different course woe pursued, for the House of Com woos took the power into its own hands, for which reason he should propose the following Reso lutions :-- " 3. That althoogii the said Act of the 57th of his late Majesty, c. 65, professes is its preamble to supply the Crows with sew means it reerriliPSllSing the services of persons holding, or who have bend high and efficient public office", no application from the Crown for such new sources of pa tronage, by message or otherwise to this Rouse, is to be found upon its Journals; that the said Art appears to have precis ated solely from a Select Committee of this Howse, and which was partly composed of persons who, from their official si tuations, would themselves become entitled to the lemming created by the Bull ; that this Select Committee was •p -pointed is the year 1817, during the premier of great public finanirial distress; that the sole object of its appointment (as appears by the Journals), was to examine into AN public revenue and expenditure of the country, and more en.ecially to ascertain what relic f road he afforded to the people by the mine-lion of such expenditure; that this Committee, nevertheless, so appointed and so composed, did, its their first Report, recommeed the nation of this Dew and burden some Pension Fund upon the people, fixing, at their own dis t-tit on, upon such persons who were alone to possess it, ad in what proportions, and leaving to his Majesty the authority of his redo only in the last resort over pensions thus created by his Isis (svelte of themselves." " 4. That antecedent to the Act of the 57th of his late Majesty,c. 65, it was unknown to the Lagged Constitution of 411111 Isiordoin that the abolition and segselseion of useless or overpaid ogees were to be porchaeed and paid for by peasious ft om the public, to persons holding gla and efficient public offices; that the power of the Crew. to dispose of its revenues le ferour of the abject has hero greatly abridged within the last two centuries, without say claims for compeneetion by pensions being made from the persons who then held high end airiest public offices ; that wenuua, useless, and overpaid offices have been abolished and reeulated dorioe tee seine period, paitestarly by the Art of the 23d of his bite Majesty, e, 89, whereby differeeit °dices of considerable ensistament in his Majesty's Ezell , quer were abolished, mid others having profits to as enormous sanoisid, were regulated and reduced to a definite and COilleariiiVtly moderate value, bet that no compensation by prosien foe curb abolition and regulation was claimed by the peruses who then held high sad efficient situations." These were the facts on which he mesut to proceed. This gave him an opportunity of remarking on what h.ed beets said by the Noble Marquis opposite, on the debate relative In Ambaesadors passions. The Noble Lord we. , Oki , very high minded—(A laugh)—" What !" says he, "would you dis.rigover the monarchy by going into the Consieisieer He (Mr. Creevey) was at a lostv to know how the monarchy could he more din rigottrod titan by the proceedings of the Commit'. e alluded to in the Resolution. The Noble Marquis might I.lk as long as he pleased of dinnigorring—(A Isegb)—aye, Sir. dis•rigokring ; the teem writ not has; he should never think ut OSi/1K such II word. Be hail borrowed it from the woe.- bolary of the Neble Marquis—(A langh).-he was never more surprised then when be heard it. lle welshed to sheet whet had bees the practice of Parham/est at va rious times. In 1782 he found a message from the IK'ne to the foliating effect:—" His Majesty has taken into censidee•tion the supply granted by Parliament, rind in the resent distressed state of the constry, recuntm zeds MIN . le hi. C... 011.11110011 le adopt the mote effectual plan of ecomonty." Now if that retrenchment was accessary at the mod of the Americas war, whew we bad cooly a debt 44200 millions, bow much more necessary toss it sun wheal (lint d.l,t was increaued to 800 enillioss.—(Hear )—This system was perfectly woe. Bet supposing it were not, and that it had been the practice of Parliament to propose reward. foi public men sod to marshal them out like clerks, there one. was such 1111 atrocious, shaiiilaslale bargain as was made he. iween these pensioners and the public. The fifth lion which he should note read referred to that part of the subject '• 5. that in addition to and Independent of the precedini objections, as affecting the origio and priutiple of the Pro. shin 11.11, the eossraet which is lb, reby art up between pensioners under the Bill, and the public at large, i. w id, out any adequate consideration or advantage on the owl or She nation; that the YrifiCeS to be prospectively abohi.l o . , or regulated, by the Art of the 57th George lii cap. 61, Ilt, 63, 64, 07, sad 84, forth a limited part oulY ..t Offices of the smile description, which were all it. e.ile.! upon as lit to be abolished or regulated by the e.t.a ..• this blouse, in the years 1812 and 1813; that of tin. *Seel to he prospectively abolished, those of the too Cli.et Justices is Eyre, of the value of two &mends lour.e. per lee.. each, are the only ottee whirl) have bees usually granted by the Craws to persons who hive held high mot effiei,nt civil offires, and that of the Aim: to be prosper. lively regulated, the principal regulation is, that the dr. tin of such offices to be proportionably r.gulatert. The pro. eipal regulation is, that the deities of such offices shall be performed by the holders thereof in pete,ti, belated of by poly, the appuistmeet to such offices, as well as of *alarm., hero; loft at lbs male discretios of the Commissioners of Majesty's Treasury; and yet in return for, surf by way purchase of these prospective, partial, aid indeaniteasrbi t , the people ate to pay, from henceforth 42,0001. per iu perpetuity, to the airerest publie Strrauts of the Cruesu who are named in the Pension Bill." The principle oa which the Pen;ion Bill was muicileard was, that by its operation many places had been altogether abolished; but with very few exceptions, sill dal had been done was, to iotrodoce so isdelnite toad of regulation. Am Hun. Gentleman near him (Mr. Betakes) had slated on a for. inen occasion that be (Mr. ereevey) bad voted fur throe en. !temente; bat the Ritl to which be gave his support, pro. teased to have for its object the abolition of all offices whieb had un employment. and to regulate those whtrh had; and there was his difference between that 11,11 aad the one they were now discussing—namely, that arrordnog to t h e which he voted, all the salaries of Ina lea fains west to i.e saved to the public. At that time he took die Hon. Mrrnher fbr a sincere reformer, but sever was refurme• so dis•ripu —( Laughter )—He was surprised that a iriKVI. Geolicmaa the Hoo. Member could list introduce a maa%are of such vs t utility as the one to which be hod alluded, sad afterwards, when befell into the campasyof the Noble M■rvaisaud others, support a measure which gave additional salaries, and for only two yrars service. Now with a view t►at the amain might form some conPctere of the vest savieg which hat been effected in the coarse of five years, by a measure of economy which had emanated from the great Cotlurtl of toe nation, he should propose the following Bes,datiorti— " 6. That from the retinae which have been made to the Moose, of offices already abolished or regulated ender Act last mentinaed, and of pen/loos received sailer the Pea. moo Bill, the following appears Ic be the result of the col leen between the pessiosers claiming under the Kasha* Bit and the public at Inge, up to the Kemal period. lo &g -land, offices abolished, those of Cletk to Ike 'Wardell to the Mint; saving, 92f. 10s. per annum. Stamper of Weights; saving, 150/. per annum Total saving in Ragland in lee years, 342!. 10s. 10 Scotland, üßices abolished, viz. Admt. rat; inving,l,ooo/. peraonnwe. laspeetor of Military Ro a d. ; saving, 200!. per aansm. Offic v vacant and subject to regulation, Lord Registrar in Scotland, late value 1,20 W. ; but no saving returned. Raises Sarneanbrincer's Odiee Scotland ; saving armors! SON.; and the °dice of Teller , live Exchequer in Ireland, late value 1,3001. per annum; keit no atavism/ returned. Persian% which have received his Va. jesty's sign manual, under the Pension Sal', to Hilary Lot.' Pomona Badmouth, 3,0001. per anneal.; and to the Steil Hun. Henry Goolburs 1,11101. per annum; the latter pentam being eirspended by the Pe.taion 8,11 , :111 long as Mr. Goal_ burst but& the office of Chief Secretary to She Lord brute. ✓ant of Ireland!' " That ibis Hotter is of opinion, that had the dicer a Clerk to the Wooden of the Mint and Stamper of Wei& in England, cod she offices of Vice Admiral mid lmprio.- of Military Roads in Scotland, remained as the disposal of the Crowe, looted of bring abashed, they would net have been conferred by his Majesty tease [Leary Lord Viscount Sideuaih, as • recompence for Ms service., in the different high cad efficient sitaalions which he an held, and that even if they had bren all so eosferu .1 upon lord Sidmauth , their united profits are very nib-line in amount to the pension he now receives as a comeensation for the loss of them. That it Appear., murrover, by a der-s -weat lately laid before the !Lust, tier in the ;ear Henry Lord Viscount being they First Con, mil:sinner of he Majestj'a Treasury, did grant to hi. sun, Henry At:Min:ton, the offire of Clerk of the 11/ England, of the I value of 3,9001 ; and !bee Lord Sitliwoufb or his family have received the profits a. arch office fur twenty years although Lord Sidatosiholuris4 a greet portion dem+ time, bee held different offices of err'' emolument uuder the Carsten; that Or office of Clerk if the Pelt. was, al the time it was last granted, and is .T", as office metaled 'slimly by deputy ; hut by one of tie Arlo of regulation, before referred so, the duties of an. arm at muse future period are to be performed by ,1 % . principal in person. So that Lord Sidmuntb, or bis famil,. receive at presto 3,0001 per annum as the profit oi'fi.r office without bring 'abject to soy iegulailon whatever, icd Lord Sidmuutb rreeires a farther sum of 3,0001 per 1101.11111, as a compensation for some nijory which at as preemie • some other person may sustain by some future resultant , . this office when Lord Sidetuutb's interest, or tiat of in timely, therein shall cease." - • He did mot wish to go oat of his way to sty any thing marivi of Lord Siderostb, but be believed the greatest admirers el . the Noble Lord would admit that hr was not likely to esjiy a more lasting or distinguished plate in history than Lard Godolphin or Lord Cbstbairi. Yet butts theirs Noble Lardy only coudeaceoded to mile one politest, and that from the Crown. He supposed Lord Sidniouth received his remittal too from the Crewe, although one of them would seem le have been eouferred by boroself.—(4 laugh )—Bs shoal now propose the final Resolution :- 4 8. That this House is of opinion, that for the House of Commons to provide pensions for the principal fiervanq of The Crown by Committees of Its otos, and without shy application from the Throne fur such purposes, isms i r. (armee with the isn't prerogative of the Crown--aa abuse a that power over the politic money, with which this House • intrusted by the Cnimitiiiiiiti•••••Nliti so initilersioti• Ohm re • • the people; and that time erievitroe is«ill torslortobte"' by that new dud degrading prior i ple rot the Pension fig;.a ,•• • compels the people to pin chase from the ki.vantsof 1* ti - .• very abolition ur regolnt ion of a useless or overpaid 'flirt after all the sacr;ficis *Mai have hero made by the m ot and industrious population of those kingdoms; •1.1 V•ier that u•parallehd dieters a ith le hi, h a great stortioo of Holt population is at present alllicteil, they sre rnfttlid fadeout'. tea a muter of right and justice, sad not of pa/thaw, the nbulition aud regulasiou of every useless and overpaid Wire in the State whatsoever; and that in coelsormity to all emu just and reasonable maims, it it the opinion of this Hose• That the Pension Bull of th. 57th alms late Ala jesty, c. 85, ought to be repealed forthwith.' He had sow stated to the House the motion which be had ti *Anna. Lie knew hr should be lift to • til•llrd 111•11 of . ,. yet be knew that sliest the enlidhietted opium , of the toss. try would become acipaiiited with the facts clock he had elated, as once or litter the Bill would be removed bow thee statutes —(H. or, hear.) Mr. DANCES said, that the lion. Member •10 0 14 '' just sat down nut only •upported the clauses of the Ml' t 11414, bet what was more m•terial, the principle of Me 8; which be was now reprobating. And a hat cal the ern( • ale of the Bill' It was thin, that every udire to lib a salary was lIIIIChe.I without any to perform she sd he abolished, and that those whir!: hail duties %tumid Mr" alleged. lie k gew of no other sound principle us lo t thr y ;should proceed. Mr. rill he, in his vety ab le e extrusive pixie of strotot, did sot cot:trotplate 1155?...*1641