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MI II v>. *es the amount in salaries and emolnments of every hind derived from it. His attention hod been called to the subject by the recent appointment or • person to fill the vacancy of the office. He had heard. b•t did not know the fact. that the appoint . rim he could hove but little ' objection. If it .. .turn lit that the saLery at 2Q0i....1tA1l still_ ;NI IfibirTd hold 'Sir, '. et t t•• rent ' Yeettecttng . :the 'conduct of his Mitially'es ieterlt In` Mill *tinning .. the alitte; 7 •- •boi• IF it skald rani Eat, front _eAy etkplarktiou . .lebbilleggat be deco 'Mm the otlits , side of She • : iSioteree; that lid celery dal Weeildll. - Or. ti . lelided' to • he... reretted4ty' the oresiot 'hoblir; he - Weld not 'Toontinue td heM thtesanse oXetion la the afipt... • ..' Meru rehich•he then felt. 'therefore concl ud ed :11* moving for 11' cdiiy Of the *Sktfkria a. lment in .1101Nslien. •'t the Lear Awvoc in 'rooi'lii ) `tliF 0;4144 'of • - 'bring what he was suet initiate' give sitisfaCtion 'to ..lithe Noble Lord, that no salary whatever had been tiertigned, er was intended to be 'given tp the person •Nerso ' now heM' the Ace in queititti. The oaks. • Mae eatahlitherlid ITSO. at wltich time certain priii. .legert were enjoyed !tee the' Roy'! . Iltirgter . Uf Scot. Lad, .which were it olidied in 179 D. l'hiei . itill, • however, remained the record of - .054 precgediags.Of ....the oflictof the Conservator, whieh was a . 4aluable 'deeelDent, and one that it was of importance to • weserm, the preservation of 01401 rrnsaineld.' Can .dteled to the charge of the Coneervitor. — There -same also certain fueds of which he had•theCOL. '4ll,ion. wear' Wm. CURTIS raid, if there were stir tbing .Itopeoper in the appointment of the person who now ' • 410/t1 the office. he must take a share of the blame tapes himself, as it was on his application, at the loom of that inclosidual, whom he judged to be -ireily way qualified for the bade. that the . Noble "bed then at the held of t 1 lirkießepOitment • taide the appointment. ''''":"" ' ' -' . ' Mr. A seacaO‘li pike, it, be, understood. cer vectly What the Nohle mid Learned Lord had said, it "woe this, that all the rights of the, Scottish ilitrght . whatever were at an end. and that there was only • record remaining of 'proceedings relating to these tights, which it *milt! office of the con servator to preserve. In that cam he thought , that all the purposes of the office could hemitch better •effketed by the rernovel itf that docnmetit to mane owl of the public officer, :tirlace i 4 tesill.g.rerolin in inik'devolit.' 'oda averse old !vtrierit l eamid at all 'Weer to be hid It rot iii t Atioritiqii for winch it *toil he wanted. '.! • 'Mr. Phut.' timid; 'Hie 'Noble' 'UM lately et the' hhild of the Home Deparimeut, Ili making the sp.! 11111111Insent, ford no intention that any eJary whai-i' aige should be received byrthe person when) he soh "Anointed: ' bet he m•d'e it hem* he Understand ! that three were some' tondo, the preservatino till ss*ieh required the appointment of such en officeo., ' ' 'Sir .J N Immo! to ppottell i Atot Applioft ameich 'Wei agreed to. COMMISSARIAT COURTS S SO LAND. Lord A. HAMILTON amid. that the subject of the motion which he now rose to make. porsoent to the notice which be had given, WRO one on which he en teat/tined a eery different opinion of the conduct of Ministers from what he did on that which , had just Lieu disposed of. He was about to move for leave to hying in a Bill for the abolition of several offices in Scotland; and he should not have charged him •••4l witty the responsibility of such an undertaking, if be were not assured that the House would feel the.prowiity of the inensere, and if the lousiness 'were net in great part already prepared to his hand. The offices in question bad been reported upon by two separate Convmiesittes as offices that ought to be sholiahed.—(Hear, hear.)—He should address the observations with which he felt it necessary to trouble the House to three Pointe The na ture of the offices; td, The grounds on which he °moved their abolition ; and 3(1, The means by which he proposed to abolish them. The origin of these offices was to he Ira: ed far back in the history of the country. They were remnants of ecclesiastical • jarialiction, and were twenty-three in number. The number of officers attached to them was *3 Commissaries, 23 Comtnaaariea' Clerks, end twenty-three Procurators Fiscal, who were not paid by Government, but by the sulicci, by extracting, from the pockets of the people un atrranilible and extortionate sums for fees. In 11118 a commission was appointed, which (lid not report on the subject till 1810. But from that time his Majesty's Ministers and the successive Lards Advocate had been most culpable in not raking soy steps towards their abolition ; the pre broittord Advocate, perhaps, it was but fair to say, was the least culpable on that score, as having he'll the shortest time in office. in 1810 the Cumulus sum,- coninosed of the heeds of all the Courts of Scoirenti, and the LOrd Advocate, made thee;4lae r port to these words : otitlerse Commisinierra having mtwaidered the gesseal rimmed , in the areouirstantes of Scotland siure the establish ment of those jurisdictions, IMP of opinion, and do report, shah those irrfertor Courts are sot only nnircecessary but in. jrnerra, and therefore Desk to i.e abolished, and the matters ,over which they have jurredietion to be transferred to the Alier airs Comte, arid ilia. it woold br fur the cousideratiors of Parliament la what miliblief compensation should be made to • mock prisons luddiui appoiotmeuts io those Courts as might be deemed entitled thereto." 1814 the Lord Advocate of that dariistrot demi s Bill to effect ibe transfer recommended by that pent, of which the following was the preamble :—" Wh it appears GUM the Repents of the Commissiourrs (to which be liod'alluderl] to be advisshle and expedient that the rofcrtur Consmitsery Correia in Scoilaad 'Mould be abolished, and that certain other alterattomi aud regulan ~,, s should be made working the nastier within thew jurisdiction ; be it there. Gee enacted. that within three months from the date of the pardon of air Act, all arch inkrior Cumenimery Courts in Scotland he alsolisherl." That bill war introduced by the Leta Adearate, who was himself use of the Commissiont rs by whom the •holitiou had been recommended. It was read • Ara Sims, sod before it proceeded to the secoud reading, that Whir sad teamed Permit thought At to estract the • •Itoredier , lie would ask the House whether it could Cod in sorb matt:a any thing creditable to that person himself, or jeell to Scoslaiut ? The precise reamer why the Bill was with drawal, be (Lord A. Hinwilion) had never been able to miceetaio; but he beliercel it was to he found in the ess erns- Malice of art . Hoosiorahle Pr terra of hie bowing mowed fur • fresh Commisirita,mbiels, perhaps, led the Lord Advocate to hope that IM &It Cumasiames might came to • differ's. catechist - au frewithat which bad bees deeds by the former, sod therefore to prefer lytag me hie ears till be 'Mould know Ilse result Wat,tteetiad Commisaints made its Report is Ills; and be maidd read tea sansei, heat She Report to oliew is., that it coneorred trophies wish the deem Batty bet that It •dotraled a goober of ilia abuses which pitealled is those Cants, which seesseli b reader It more Imperative no alinisteri to have effected their abolition. That third Report (two Reports had seen made by the f•r thee COO aviation) coorarred with the former sae is opinion, that the offices had become not only unnecessary het isjuri ono. It stated that "they had directed their enmities to the ed what did the Hoes, think had been ditclosed on that M- I quiry bat it system of abuse, and frauds of the grossest kind. (Heir.)—" Ilia fee, NlOell mere chareedat the dim: reties of toe isoce"." Our of 11168!011ices woe now crept, sod It was 'hillniebtlost ha sacirrithit it *hook! not be illkiimp. " Not *ell do the Comoninsiewerselsito f.. ad lasifees,• bet they 'llell'tbe AIM of Procsiabir Fiscal for their owe hermit."— ' n attestator bed been enede .to ahsiish that twectiert by the got illrifi,; &sided oa f the Report of ISIS, whkb eon. iiiwel 4 clause, meetly( 0 that no este of the inferior Miens of thew? Courts should thereafter be. permitted."— hi it imbed so attain in ISIS, `load it ism dbis moment," 'bald Siii'Sable Lord. 1 ' actually going ou."--(Hear, beer.) — Ile booed to be indulged with the attention of Ministem, " eta eUler Ptoble and Learned Lord oppoeitel fur, if it was their ditty to •tlese to the teeporta of Commlattlantel es them sebjeels, the 'streets which he Aros shout to peed de. weeded their most ptsetieslar attention. Me. Faulkeeer, • omit ...f the wits-uses examined by the Comosisgiosers, mated that "rbere wee so Axed regulation or scale of feet, but Illy? tare altered eeeneding to the will of the clerk aid the perseiii nintWeitid." • That wee the state of 'Wogs wider sw,Ctrloliate Coolostml(liss sod three or foor successive Lords Advocate, aid yet shot practice had been suffered to go on 'tie HiC last foorteme yeses.. Another pesos on the same 'subject of` fees said, " There was co rule, bet the fees were elsil° l4 Odrortliell to his Cmitkplion of the trouble be had its the burieeee." The Cewatiseiosers also stated, that " sot wily bed the fees been improperly and usialluty exacted, ' bet !bey believed that such IfIll•CliOO of fees bad in some alai been mounted up fur the purpose of fulteishing • as departed claim to • greeter rompessation is cue the offices ehould be •holished."—(Hear, hear, bem.)—Now When he (Lord A, Homilies) read in those Reports the wanner le which them fees hsd been exacted, asd when be milisidersurdie letwrds of time fur which ruck& pearlier had been tarried es, he meat confess be could toot think that ' meth eisemeentiou was due to those wke should be de prived of a .source of illegal entolueseet by its abolition. 'He sow mime to the points of the mode is whirl the aboli tion of these offices might be effected. He coatroom' be • should sot feel kilned( adequate to undertake the waseage. i meol of the abolition of 53 Cowls, useless sod more thin useless as they were, if he And alone to conduct all ' the business euseected with it, and to Genie tali she pro ' 'likes of a Bill. for that peepose in detail I bet duet *Ws. already fa a great measure dune to hie hand. He bad , foe his guidance the Stll drawn up by the Lord Advocate. same few of the petioles is those offices might be eatakd to rompeosatiow t but by far the greater past of them meek be •. found to merit nose at all. A Cummissioa eweriesletl‘nr• leech years age reeommeeded that these Courts Awl& be iikniislied ; a second Consmissims, for years ago, sepeetted (hal recOmersidatiee, aid now lee had to ask witsebor the - Illinlster's, *having allowed the Reports of them Commiselsos 'Olio is the table of the Hole?, the one fur twelve ant*, Other for rise /eery which described thole elks& -oe amine, aid . worse than weeless, as absolutely iejeoloon,, ' sod recessisMasted them to he abolished.. mild Adrift! lola aitasere *dell had fur its abject. to giveAllialle NI Midi reroaimeadadiii? He concluded by ousiiint Illgtkrarce,be'i - given to hill* iiii a gill to 00* the IsidielltOlor" of Ctmiiiissariesie Reutlasd. , . ... .t, t.. '. ~.• 'the LORD ADVOCATE said, lie diltesse else as object • the priseiple al the Noble Lord's usetwita: .41 the Noble had Asked him ie private, instead of publicly calling 111119/O him to avower is hie place is that HUM!, whether it use his ietention to oppose the reseal motion, he should have told him that is had bees for some time in osoloinoiestime on Me sobjeet with every individual cm. eeroed in the offices in question, sod that he was prepared in the routes of this Semites to brine. is a Bill for' the per. pose of reducing them. The Noble Lord Lad blamed his predecessors in office for set having earlier carried the re commendation of the Commissioner • into effect; it weasel for him (tire Lord A.) to say wh is might have follueeeed the conduct of ushers, but, for himself, be meld sot lake may blame for such part of the delay as might be sitrillautehle he him. When he COW lido office two years ago, he foamed the tea- lerials for so eeteosive reform is most of the offices is Scot land. He had applied himself with MI much diligence to the arrangement of those saaserials se circumstances would per mit, end with the purpose of bringing forward to succession the Bills for effecting the wriest! 'heretic's' with as much celerity se ere, correistent with the degree of castles in qui. site in uperatious of this swore; sod in the last Session he brought in a Bill for the regulation of the Courts of Session, end soother fur the Court of Admiralty; mod it was his in tention, as soon as be could get through the n y po► liminery arrangements, to bring forward another on the present subject. These Courts had *buried teflon ill cases of debt, where the sum did not exceed three or four pounds, fur which they drew parties from distant parts of the country, and involved them iu enormous expenses, and that brow h of their jurisdiction be admitted was a great public nuisance, and called for instnetste Atolls:cm. There was another breath of their jurisdiction which was more important, from its euunexion wish the revenue, which drew large fees; but it was uot os those fees that the Reports of the Com missioners had recommended the abolition. The Hauer would see the necessity, in case of abolishing the offices, of giving some compensation for those fees, which in some cases aniouuted to four or five thousand pounds. It beeame, therefore, • material question for consideration, how far the House might be prepared, in the present state of the public parse, to gratis the sum which would be required for the purpose of such conipenastions. And, when be considered the opposition which was made is the last Session to the compeusatioo fur the office of Clerk of the Admiralty Court by the Hun. Member for Aberdeen, he felt that these was much difficulty is the way of bringing forward such • subject at the present lime. He bad therefore been induced to consider huts far it might be possible, with adrausage to the public, to adopt • plait for the gradual •holitiou of these offices, as the holders should die off, with • view of lightening itie'burden on the palate purse. He wolod put ti, therefore, fii*llie Noble Lord to consider, whether tne utkji et of his motion would out be better answered by leaving it to him to bring Anoint the measure which he bad in preparation. Sir J. NEWPORT said, with rem et to the payment of compeoestion to the holders of the Jiffies in question, be hoped it would of course be nude ,..2 od that uu cumpeusa. lion tepid be allowed but for what had been legally re ceived; and, when it appeared that 'Moe persons bad for su long a time bees exame' large illegal fees, he thought that was • . circumstance material to be rousithred in apportion ing cuinpeueation, and ought, to to in reductiou of the amount thst might otherwise hart been claimed. No man, however, could ohjrcl to the allowance of a fair compose tout' fur the moonlit of legal (era sb.rhaired. 11.. DU•i'i UAS, as far as we could collect his meaning through the suite in the House, though, the observations to the Ruports of the Commissioner, uu the alowsrs which they pointed ust slid nut apply generally, but only to particular Commisearista. Lord . A. HAMILTON said, iti reference to what had fallen from the last speaker, ha could only say, that every corset which he had seed applied to • &Merritt Commis wary, end he might have read still more; so that it appeared So him, that if the atones deaf iod uni Ity prevail its those Courts, they weir in very general practice, sail with few eseeptions indeed. With iesprct to the suggestios which the Noble and Learned Lord had thrown out, of the propriety of leaving the matter in his hands, he could hove nu objetions tu scenic to it, if be had any peeper security slat oh, thing would be properly done. He therefore buped the Noble Lord would agree to his noisome fur leave to bring its • Bill, for oho h purpose the Noble Lord btniself, or awl other periwig, might be nanird; arid, for his own part, he (Lord A. N. would not whit. re, rulers he saw that the dia. position ti. proeirid sail, it fill off. The MIR I) A OVOCAI'E raid he bad sheerly stated that hr was in . 01111111111001111C41110111 vista the isidivittnals in all those offices iii Scotland on the subject, and that he had s Soli in preparation, which he should be able to propose is the Howse before the Easier !WWI. He theret.re trusted the Noble Lord would see the little sweat', there was for his resew motion. Mr. PEEL, la coneespeace of Ow allusion which the iiii il ia Noble t-oIA ),ad it& im • rant' In one ei the ogee lm qeestion, begged to woes tie lied old the House, that that, nod isail‘WkWY "or hereafter occurs abated b• 0•11011110.1 so the that go claim for embiewoodeto AMY thelleWe, eves foe the legal fees, from the preset • • • The question being lboe parns SrAKD .esiA be thelighe the Ayes tad • A division wa s called ire, n ett ofeellePri were afar" to withdraw; hoe before else biker was cleared, some center. nation took plans memo that*, betimes real A. 161109 ° 4 sad the Lord Admeste, on the molded of the withdrawing of the mono., mid after • few words Gem Mr. Brougham, the Nagel' of Loodenderry, Mr. Tierney, Mr. Peel, and Lord A. the neolioe wee negatived without • /Ileitis'', sod the Miter moved for $ list of the Commissariat Comte le Scotland, with the same' of the Commilearies,C.oneenieseries' Cloths, ami Promoweem from 1510 to the present time. AGRICULTURAL DISTRESS. The Margolis of LONDONDERRY sand that the Re port of the Select Committee of led &Woo 'ma the Agri. cultural Distress, be referred to a Spite{ Coormlttoe to illaems eider sod report on the same. Mr. GOOCH rose, sad hoped to Ito allowed to says km words on the subject of that Committee, of which be was the unworthy Chairman. He had been charred, by leisrepreo eentatiee which he hoped had not bees wilful, with baring acted in collusion with Ministers, as respected that Com mittee. If be had done so, be should feel himaifeeiverthy to represent the collet, tar whieh he bed theism/}e le be refereed. lie had mewed foe that Committee in etemetreenet ore determinatine which the numerous Petitions from that most ealoghte body esf the eximistookyx 4be pregnemewoOd persons engaged in ageitellore, had led him to fawn washy he last Session, to bring the subject forward himself If no other its. divides) better qualified should modertake it. He hod perbope reason to regret that not much had bete dome fur them; bet be had used his hem endeavours. H. felt it his duty, pre. vious to seeking his motion, to wait cm the Noble Marquis, to ask him whether it was his ieteetiem to oppose it ? The answer of the Noble Marquis wee, that the Goverenteet did not Weed to oppose the emotion, bet they felt as mont hly as he did fur the &Weird state of the agriculture of the emitter% and modems!, wished to relieve it. He expressed his surprise that with seek dispositions towards the apical. tend letereet the Noble Lord himself hod not brought the subject forward; bet to that the Noble Lord re plied, that with the little information which he pos. sensed en the subject, be was not prepared to say what amid he done, and be did not like, by feting the lead ors the question, to excite hopes which if might not be possible to realize. That was the Might of the temonenies. Hoe which he had had with any lommeh of the Government ow the subject, mod he hoped he should mot 'gain be accused of collusion with Ministers. The Committee was afterwards appended and nook its Report. Viewing that Repent, he was sorry to my that it appeared to him to have been wholly uselme. It had been drawn op by • Right Hoe. Gen. "'saga, whose ability sod experience rendered him very fa. miller with the prioeiplee by. which the inkjet, was affected, sod 4o &elm did match credit to his tortuosity and taleet ; .but it was looked epee by the revery es perfectly useless, .ne • romplete mystilleation--(Hear, hear, sad laughter,, .from the Oppesities Benches)—and so he mismidered ILI .thel was, perhaps, rather strong language fur him as Chair.' man of the Committee to apply to ifs Report ; bet it ought Isel have spread meantl arm the count, y, iestend of which it • had abed mealtime het deckers over its evils. Referring to the staiewesie.whieli had Men made by the Noble Lord last Friday night, he most say that he thought it highly 'slider. • tory. He could mot help deriving greet pleasure from the view which the Nellie Lord had taken of the theamcial con. &tom of the eenntry—(Hear, beer)—and from hie expleas. Hoe of the intentions of Government with reepeet to the pnbltc creditor, for be felt convinced that the beet mesas of affording relief to egricultese was to keep op she public dit. With respect to the relief to he delimil from the reduce- Hoe of the public expenditure, he feared that may would be diseppoinid to learn that on more could he dime. The ut most relief that retold be afforded in 'bat way, was by re duelist the mobile establishments as far as it could be done. He did not think that reduction could be carried any further at present.—(Hear, hear, hear.)—He, for am, thought that no further redaction could with safety be made in the nemerical strength of the arany.-(Hear,, bear) —but in the civil deparimeets both of the army and navy be thought much more might be dom. He did not mean to pledge himself to any vote out the subject, but should wail until the estimates came regularly before the House. He regretted that he bed m.. 1 attended much last Session us those occasions when the Hueonrable Member opposite (Mr. Hume) brought forward his i ?prated motions fur economy. But he was prevented by the close coodoement to the Com wiittee•rooin, whirls was so medial variance with his general habits. He hoped Gentlemen of all pullet would unite io laying aside all party feelings on this occasion, and join in one common effort for the general good of the couotry.— (Cheers ) Sir JOHN SHELLEY rose, not to oppose the re-appoint , ment of the Committee, but to offer his opinion, as that was the first opportunity which the Country Gentlemen had had I for so doing, on the statement of the Noble Lord. The brilliant speeches of his Hon. and Learned Friend, and some other Hon. Members on Friday night, were enough to deter • plain man like himself from °Wending asy observations et that lime on the Honer; mud besides be waited to hear the opinion of his Hon. Friend, the Member for Suffolk (Mr. Gooch), whom he considered as the heed °title conotry Gee. Heinen, having here their Chairmau in the Committee.— His Honourable Fated had expressed his ssrpiise at what the Noble Lord had done. Now he also felt his surprise ou the subject, not indeed at seeing how much, but at bear. log how little had been done. As far as the reductiotof the malt tax went, he thanked the Noble Lord for that.— (Leoghter)—But with respect to his plan conceruing the fallacy of the Sicking Fund, he (Sir J. Shelley) thought that one million was quite • sufficient sum fur keeping up that delusion, sod the other four millions of income above the expendeture would be much better applied by affording relief to the coven, lit the reduction of taxation. 'When the consideration of the subject was resumed oe Friday next, he thought the Noble lend would end that it was a heavy bodice to the country, and promised at best but a doubtful benefit. His opinion of the whole scheme of the Noble Lord was, that it was se attempt to bolster up the funds at the expense of the land. d interest; god he, for one, must say that he was not content with it. Mr. WODEHOUSE ease for the purpose of sakiug a peed. ealar question of the Nuble Marquis, to which he had ao doubt he would be able op give a most Salisfsrfory answer. He was &MEMO, to say as little es possible on the ellieuge of the currency, end the consequent eha,.ge is the prices of produce, and the effect ef siltation He knew that the Chan cellor of the Exchequer was a roost incorrigible person to whom to appeal; hoot the Nature of his office it must be go; but after all that had been said about the change in the standard of value, he hoped that the Right llon. Gentleman would not forget that there ass our standard besides to be consulted, from which, being " as geed as old Kuhl." it ens right that it should always he runsidered—he meant the mandrel d of integrity, He wished to s epos' his obligatious to two Gentlemen opposite, one of whom lied especially lea. dered the moult, veto mitt essential benefit, from his expo sitlii• of this subject on a previous day. Though he differed I generally from that Hors. aid Learued Gent. the., could he no question but on this sonject he hid made the ablest use of ilium talents with which tie was so eminently gifted, as, indeed, the subject itself required his ealranidinary powers of entlersteading to compass it.—(Here the Hoe. Member made sere,ence to some passages in the letter of • Noble Loot opposite to his constituents (probably Lend Jubu Res• sell), which cseiteined this expression : " Let sot the landed interest of Crest Britain imitate the tandhuldets of Poland sad Russia, who fumy when they themselves are eatiteril, ell is well."}—He regretted the use of this Immune. It should he rieulterted that there was on similarity in the circuits,' sole s. It was • libel are the retry of the, memory. Slavery, feudal thievery, ur seine thing as bed, was the condi- Host of the oceopiers of the mil there. The lauded inierest there were able its derive suave small pittance, perhaps oar , sixth of the produce, far reel; hat they were cuustiteily aut omated in their power, by the reciprocal operation of cur rency, In hiding the peeks from them. Such language, therefore, for any purposes of argumeet, was altogether use less. fit agreed wills Ile Noble Marquis, that it has as well as mischievous to think of relieving the lauded to tem, at the expense of mooned, the commercial, ur of any other. He now none to the question which he arnheil to put to the Noble Marquis on one of the projected measures -at sellef whisk see • tonspened is the spiestiw behave o the Horse. It seo ws was bebl dfret re c ollected a cnlleittedatthitaattionwli, thereenihe wassehet r thea difference it ergumeat spots • branch of it between Mr. Horner and Mr. Elliot. Mr. Horner admitted that when three was politieni danger in the question, probibinuo was justifiable. Mr. Elliot, on the contrary, could nut roil ceive, p4lieal denier coexistent with commercial cutely. Whichever wee right, or whichever was wrong, no nom need to be ashamed of siding with either of those 'gators ties. His object was to get a distinct ex e lanation on this point kom She Noble Marquis. There could be mu good fella*• for withbsldiag the mower. He was backward to make any premature remarks; bet if the usessuses of lb. peoposell Committee omit to introduce any, the slightest, re laxation is the principle of prohibition, the effect would be to reduce to a complete wilderness ell those unhappy soils ?which had wows up to become seats of populous tudustry. They would sow be overspread with poor, whom they would burs, sal how either to maintain or remove: Thin circuits stasissed, would they not doubly feel the preemiee of the taxes, which, cousisteolly with the wants of the State, bad been de clared by the Exchequer to be incapable of inferno. ? He h . was sorry to hoer suet, a declaration, because it bad been delermised that rich of the great interests mold uoly con tribute to the wants of the State in propurtion to the ability left them by their means. He lemented still more, because it disagreed wi b the Resolution of the Committee. that "if our taxation were to be measared by our population, it world be heavier than that of asp other country in Europe — if by or capital, lighter." Suppe.. Ate etioclusiop to be Needed oe say thing like truth, whet was to become of those unhappy porno's of the population who were exempt from the advantages of • profitable uceupatiou of capital?, He wished to refer to the Report of the Cosotuitte of 1521 , which be believed was drawn up by the author of the Report of 11115.-17 lie Honourable Member read extracts from the Report which, after taking a g I review of the capi tal exhausted in agricultural improverneuts, the cockpits... and cultivation of wastes and cinnamon, kr. described the loss likely to occur, sot only to the layers eat, hut 'through them to the country at large, if something were not done to give them time to rescue themselves bum it. The commie. non of the sake Report went on to declare the antral!, of keeping up those lauds, is order to make the cottony less dependent on foreign growth, as, in the opinion of the Committee, many of the chief difficulties •nd privstious • incidental to the war, arose from that state of Oriel. deuce.}—After this he wished to kuuw in what possible way they could proceed to attain relief. He h..ped it would out be supposed that be was seeking to rise angry discussion; but agriculture was realty so distressed, that it wse necessary to know explicitly what was to be dune. He concluded with au earnest convoy that every aim possible might he done to relieve it. Mr. DAVENPORT, referring to the ststemetst of the Noble Marquis es Friday lest, wondered that the state of the finances being so flourishing. would only allow • diminution of taxes equal to Is. • bushel o. malt. The Noble &forgets was mistaken in slating the amend of taxation on the fsr eggr,fie be equal to le per test. osi big outpours. He could emit as to the Cheshire dairies, that they paid as mach as lbw cent. on one article—salt—which ef all taxes ever in. ended by the ingenuity of man, was the most oppressive to agriculture. CURWEN wished to know If the Noble Marquis Wooded to open the whole question tis the Committee? If as there world be very little done this Session. The Noble Marquis seemed dies to act as if jie doubted the existewee of the distress. There could be to such doubt at pretest. Did he mese to open dist question egain—was that the ob. Jen of the Noble Lord ? If so the Session would go by be fore the Committee would be ready to report. It was matelial that the; should understood if they were to go from monopoly to a free trade in corn. The Noble Lord would determine this without the intervestios of • Committee; be did not west that sanction ter his measures ; be could not with Io leave responsibility us elicit shoulders. Ministers night to have been prepared oo this subject. He would have bee. glad if the Nettle Marquis had taken the business into bison,. hoods The Noble Marquis must be satisfied that • great diversity of opinion existed oalbe subject, end that if it were left open, the whole Session must be spent before they come to the Repot I. Would the Noble Lord be contest to ha. zerd, iu the present state of she country, the poet ponentent of soy measure to soother Session? By his own manning there was so much eons grown is. Silesia, that the growers were ruined by the sisperebtrudance mad the corresponding fell of prices. Would the Noble Lord leave improvided the risk of bowleg the ports open fur five or six months to the influx of foreign grain? He admitted the resonsion of Is. a bushel malt duty to be a great boon from Ministers, smung whom, in the lest Session, the Noble Lord deelated that it was impossible to spare any part of the malt tax, and that rather thou do it, he would quit his place. The Noble Lord was lucky I. having taken • different view of the case; but mark the extrat of the Noble Lord's gene rosity iu this boon. The Noble Lord had said that the taxes epos agrieultont were equal to Ave per cent., and he offered to remit one half per cent. He could prove that 20 per cent. might be remitted to the (-rimer, if the taxes un salt, leather, barley, soap, and esti. dies, were repealed. Let the House provide relief to the di see of agriculture—let it be dose speedily, or it would soon be WO isle. Whatever he might think of the Sinking Fund, he would be sorry to see it totally takes away, as that would have an unfortunate operation on the credit of the country. But he thought the time for successful operation with the Sinking Fund might fur the present be deferred, and • few millioos of taxes given back to those who •ere in distress. If the remission of Is. • bushel on malt was all that the Noble Lot d could effect, the extent of Vie mischief would become immeasurable. He thought good of that part of the Noble Lord's plan which went to recommend the establishing of • fund to meet, by purchases, the effect. of as °velvet/41(.- lOct harvest. He reckuised the superebendaiseeof last year at one-thirteenth, which would have been much greater bad the season been favourable. Now, if • customer could go into the market to send that superfluity into the rehouses, the effect would be most beneficial-- Suppose the price to decline to sixty-five or 60s. such a fund would be enough to carry off the surplus, and prevent the danger of hang,' to recur to foreign markets. Any t Wog like • deemed which the Government amid seed into the market would be highly beneficial, Wit poly weal to pievent fluctuation. es to the questiou of the mode sad time resod proper for the admission of foreign gamin, there was none of more iusportai.ce to all individuals and classes is ▪ Wherever deprived the farmer of twain must affect the home ms ket, by ureveutiog bow from bring • cus.umer to I lie manufactories. The Noble Lord should have been prepared to prupuse his mr ..... s without referring to a Committee. He had beard the Measlier for Suffolk with eonsidersOle iss• innishaseot. Would the constituents of the Honourable Member be prepared to r n along with him in declaring that muds gratitude was due to Ministers, and that their only Ault was in not having adopted their promood measures last year? It this were to be the language of country Mein. ben, their case was desperate. Had they acted together, they could by this have compelled Ministers toad properly. lustesd of %sue miliion they might have had five repealed, or at least so much as would have proportioned the weight of taxes to the altered value of money. There was the salt tax. What • grievance! Each family paid front twenty-five to twenty-eight shillings a year un that tax. Could soy thiug be more oppressive to the pour man? His pig, which was to him a sinking fund, and fur which be could not get 3.. a stone, was of no value to bins—the price would not pay him at ell, and lie could uut afford the expense of salt to p-eserve it for his own use. He did hope that the Noble Lord would go farther than be intruded, end instead of Is. per bogiel give them sip some cunsiderable portiou of taxes. Let the Noble Loa defer fora lime hiss intentions as to the Sinking Fund, and revs.t the ruin of the landed interest, restore the energies, and effectually save the . H. owned that he beard with delight of the increase of the revenue; but be did not trim how to act-oval for it, while it was notorious that every man is the country was redoring his expenses. let if it were so, It would be the less difficult to take off more tines. Suppose that as leech es hi rattld ihe renem,,' front the tax.itiou of each farmer, ties manufacturers and an the other ititerests would he correspoildiogly brsiefited by u. There might he a way fur igniting all sides us this subj et there webs be some point where they could mart ben t ,. : Abe Nesbit Lord's reread of soy tides, s a d their mines f, t every tieing. distress was treat, sad time increase. P e wished the Noble Lord had attended with him at the grest4, Market in the world (Smithfield) to-day, he wutilil ha w . in se l ei i l e g i ct i n e r :s h op.. l . : d ti odp o r p : ib, t r i e l l ' ir oo m i e veir li e b e aa o L e. er ea t e nhu t v r k :to isa . not dr ham tev set i : t er il e is a iditha Cu rmet hu i ti ls e l ti d oi7 ' ec h p r e e ru rie:v ib pr econu a i met h e l e da y abr ui e j ue a rs po r eo k ( e d T at i i ; fiigi.t r : ; ( . .. whatvotestaive rein w ou ld take place, if effectual relief *ere be carried through dating the Mr. HENEIf said, that the Horamible and Learted Gentlenne, ('Zr. Brougham) deserved the tfietiks of 0.• monies for hi. 'revives on • former 114011111111. He tins e , sai t ar d the itioiress under the soundest views of politica' weaves', He sashed the Noble Lord to give more ration as to his plan. If the Noble Lord could do swu m more than repeal le. per huobel malt tax, the lauded i n t ers ; would only feel insulted by hie proposals for their relief, toeless aume fuller explanation were to follow. 'ro am eoui .,± now be no doubt stunning es to the down., W., tyc Committee to be appointed a. being the best mode for .a. plainiag as to relict ! After she state mein of die Non < Load, he could scarcely conceive that Ministers %mewl, d du any thing more than they had proposed. The charge. use. casoosed by the transoms, L one war lupine weer ensuo,o.; io the callers of the present distress; soother emote . I . os , unorcessery importation for some time of gram from con• tries where the expenses of growing were low. lie trued. weight was the preient Corn Bill. That Bell went to give minupoly of the market to the Briti•b grower; it f si i", when the effi cis were most required. He differed freeness who supported the Bill oil the principle. He took it to be better to allow free oupactatiou, or make the sioxrpoi. effective. With the present taxation it was 1 / 1 1 111000 1 411 sea compete with the low prices of producing fuseige He thought well of a permatieut duty, however Wadi. there was no advantage in high prices—the lower they w e if remeuecative, the better. Ent, !Meg must drpead the costs of prodaetion. Therein the augmenting mew was is the amount of taxes, aid not of rents. It was vaie to argue about one lax or another tax affecting sgeirollere. Taxes writ su hkaded and modified in operation, that al. mutely they bore on all isteresis equally. Let the Home consider the effects of the tax on salt mad malt in reiterated,' poor man He paid as much of those taxes as the man with ric e so large se income. All taus fell on the commuter, generally speaking. He thought the plan 'attending money on the pa r rates ridiculous. He thought the linking Fend a &creme, the expellees of which might be 'pared to the d' avi culture. He did nut like the plan of • feud to poetise surplus core. The last public grievances were tie nuts barns, and warehouses, left without imerference. The Re. strietios Act, mid the late recurreure to • healthier Mien. ard, which height be considered, oat to say it irrvidlousle, as two separate acts of rubbery at the distance of thiiiv yeses, were among the causes uf the distress. The:Boer had ineremeed the weight of the natiosal debt. Hems. sidrred. tie reduction as meenspary, bet it was set .1 the same importance as the redaction of rests. As is the gestation of taatioual faith, be was aaitioes to preserve it; bet he could nut coiner with the Hoe. Member sho asserted that the lands were mortgaged to the ampule lithe debt. The tondo were responsible for a fair poring Otis debt. The fundhohlerand.every other class was liable is dm proportion sad degree. The land-owners were so far reaps. Bible, and they had themselves to thank for it. He vu net going to throw blame any where is pirtieular; bet the landholders had deserved meek idealist they were sow suffer. lag they bad supported lbe extravagances of thirty years war. The war misit or might mot have twee accessary. The eztravagaace of carrying it on was without nem. He com pered the discontent expressed by the coostry gestklass be. hind Ministers to the wrangling of two perms. in a public. house. istending to impose on &third. He thought mimosa of too good an understaudiagexistiugbetwen them. Minotaury bad increased is power 33 per emit. he thought the °Seen of stale ought to come forward and surrender 'airman', the like proportion of flavor enormous emoluments, sad takes le the same amount be remitted to relieve apiculture. Tie House ought to tats to p lles arrival of the {speeding evils. Mr. S. WORTLEY differed from most of those who had 'Pokes. He thought the statement of the Nub'e MerqJis most satisfactory, and thought the modes of relict proposed by him more eligible than she dirtiest repeal of bis r e. When the Hon. Member for Wiltshire said the country Gen. tlemen bad to thank themselves fur what had heptagon is them, be (Mr. Wortley) was willing in take his full shoed the blame upon those measures of Geverucnent whin he bad upheld.—(Hear, bear.)—lf the Hoe. Member out that they deserved blame for supportiag the Mintlefell att. Crown, be was willtug to take his full share of It, become be believed that the war was necessary. to preeetve the liber ties of the country.—(Loud cries of Hear, bear, hear) — la spite of the cheers, be would still say he believed that the war 11//10111141.0011ry to Ware the liberties of the cosstryue (Hear, hear.)—lf die war bad not been supported by the Gentlemen of Eoglaud, Eugland would ere this have he. come a province.—(Loud cries of " Hear, hear !‘")—Tlist was the ground of his support to the measures of the err, and be was willies to take any blame that might auach. He was astoeisbed to bear it said the Noble Lord's Mekong was not satisfactory. Good God! what! a clear ionise of five millions for • Sinking Fund over the whole expend , tare sot satisfactory!—(Hear.)—This and the remittiag of million uf tuxes—(Hear, from the Opposilioa with the promise of further reductions by this red of fast veers not satisfactory! He differed froto 111000 wM wished to touch the Sinking Fund. They must stick to tbst, at any anode whirls promised redemption of the deht, and agreed inn would soon be effectually relieved. The loweriag of Interest would lead to this, and ilie mode of efferlieg it ell as plain as two and two make four. He tout tee rise of a mortgagee, pledged fur a large portion of his estate it to', which be would be enabled to pay off with mosey borrowed at three per reef. His income would thus rise is the pro. portion of 1,3001. upon 1,000/. per 4110410. Tbourb for stetrateot of the Noble Lord was so saiisfactory, he embed to go further than the Noble Lord. H. Was b•ppys• best of the reductions made by Ministers since the test /esteem Yet they ought to go Netherton' than reducing Iwo sit i,aS if possible—tit shuts as far as the safety of thrgeMelle•li allow. He did not euscur in the plan of tending agrivaltiro leer milimes. Nu hostels could be ,leaved from tee apple cation. He approved of a Committee, and !hal wasters should be takes to pewees the rush of importation wino priers 1.:11. Mr. RICARDO agreed that the statement of the Noble Marquis was satisfactory as to the iocieshe of the rreioe , As to what had been said of the Slalom Feud, there • • one great mistake. It was ',Troweled se beiug • entse , u supporting the leaded ititerest.. The ergumeut was lb.: that by the reduction of interest all lb, laodoween eau he relieved. He quite agreed its the eerfulnies •f a Sisk°4 Fund, if they could be sure that it would be fairly soi honestly applied; bat the difference between them was tin . d rl hi wise b e e r l t i h ev ieh e ep d rii t eei h a a ,o l .rfe. t s h i e toro a fk ur in, po otwu ri et t y n i.i g d of Tidha i w lF ini Sio roalgio ki w n at g -tro F ha s t n a d it: iro i l.id i t, profits to be made by capital—that agate oa too waiter labour—and that on the prices of food. If then were any wouldspefol u rity Gtr t h e i e F n i :d7 d i P a e a him; r a , P r l it t it :te a l' eoxfreptlrkr.ripe 'l, itt. 4 :f: 41 3 4 i S ir F a H. fter th spending of the whole of them that remained by the Right Hits Gentlemen, it was mi.ehievuos to venture on a are ex ',velment. It led people io expect the iremilleiag mf ion which could not be epared, •nd oily furatabed new moal fur facilitating loans in regard to the observations of Hun. Member fur Wiltshire am the speech uf his Hots Lesraed Friend, he was surprised, after su much; to discover that the Honourable Member differed al`• from hes Hoe. and Leaned Fried es the subject. The Ha' Member emerged that the taxes were borne by the cossmorii to Aeon the prodveer was nabled ee w greet metope refer the horde*. His Hoe. std Loaned . Friend had 10 geed that though nnaufacturers mid alert the bunks. _I! Red new rtiellfell inveations essehinery to avert j ; new tax, the agrieukarist could .hift so part of his % I w o to atwitter, stridden. The ultimate relief iu agree , I 1 I swim e llKoff- • e bear.)— i that ibe I by the e Wee lod , p ) —Tut r ibe etc 0 ach. He e lateen( lb maw t pspeadl4 • tria( of tire)— • I of fear la • 16.114 0 Laren agrice4 wring a( le 4 Ore e 'awed s es i it tee, Si porromil il I be pre. 1 Hurls lks I e weed IN r ow bee la 'row vs sillies, 11.1 to weeli la rieeiters oe seei• t Be/tam PI ps irlien it re he N«!• Iss erne. , Fl Pert • ' so iww .... 'li pm th , • R I weed la 1ia1 , 31 Os irly ..I la 'Si ch.. sh 1 1 , 0. 4 to it weed be 1 .. 0, km age* if lb were ail Sc Feed. II IL Wsi • P after the fn he RIM are .1 1 * el lazes, 110 w need' of • of lig Ho 40.• iii eel It &Of' NI I WWII! Of 'le th" eel • •••1 1,0 . morel' • hi lad s' AM nkg. l i 64 evert ' Na e topl i Imhi woo' Th it ,