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the proposed mem re e \vas contained, and re•-statiug, 4 in conformity: to • theeseniiments expressed in the . dispatch which, been sent in answer to the communication of,- Mr. - Ljhot's conference, that e%.ery•.cominission in the array was to be _open' to the Catholics. ;This dispatch, .Sire I wrote , with as much clearness as it was in ener power to do:" With the clauses it went to the King on Monday.; on Tues day itereturned from Windsor without the slightest hint of ohjeklion tee the.part ,of his Majesty ; and ; as I had •been,arcu4tomed to do, ore.reteiving the Royal sanction, I iturneciiately forwerded the dispatch to Irtflande. In the mean time e Sii, obje&ions were started,•merely in point of form, to the mode of pro ceeding in this measure by clauses in the Mutiny Bill, *ltctit was thought better to introduce a separate Bill. On. Wednesday I attended the Levee 'at St.. James'seatathhact my usual audienee of his Majesty... After the audience his Majesty inquired: what busi ness Ayes going-forward 'that day-in the House of Cunrnions'..? I replied,. thatthe Mutiny Bill' was to go through one of its stages, and explained the rea sons7vhich had, induced me to embody the clauses for allowing the Catholics:admission ,into the Army. and Navy, in a. separate Bill. His Majesty approved of this change, :and asked whether the Bill was not the 5311113 as;the Irish 8i110f.1793 ? I stated in - what, the •ditference.consisted, observing, tklacit had, been fully.detailed in the various dispatches submitted, to his Majesty's.inspefaion: Here, Sir, „I must acknow ledge. that his Majesty did express a general disappro bation of the measure, but not in such d manner as .to induce are to, conclude that the relu6tant assent originally given was withdrawn, and thatl was not empowered to bring in the Bill. What confirmed me in my opinion was, that my Lord Grenville had a subsequent audience, in which his Majesty did not. make a single observation on' the Bill. On Thursday or Friday I introduced this I3ill into the During the whole of a week,, althonghl had various conimunications with his Majesty on other subje&s, his Majesty did toot make tho slightest obje&ion to • this-Rill,.noe'was any intimation on the Subjea re ceived from his Majesty until Wednesday following (at which time I was precludes front attending my dnty hi this House by a' family calamity), when his ! Alujysty stated decidedly his objeclion to an ex temion of the provi,ions- of the Irish At pf 1793. —From that moment we were convinced that .his Majesty had misunderstood the snbje6l; or rather, I was convinced I had misunderstood his Majesty. Having unfortunately introduced the measure, in the belief that I was eandioned by be King, I iminedi ately suspended any :further proceeding on the : Bill, and demanded eti audience of iris Majesty on the fol lowing day; andeconvinced, him that I had been rriiS led, and had misutOerstood those gracious expres si gis which he'hadeeseelona former occasion. Froth I that motnent, Siieeit e beecerne.the moit.atutious con-•+ shleration of Mintsteo how to. reconcile their Public ! de-ty.with their respea for the :feelings of his Ma- 4 jetty. •We attempted to correa, ,the Bill, but the 1 obje&ions,were so extensive that it was impossible' to muddy theeileasure so as to remOve'the obje&lous .; and - at the same time leave it efficiently beneficial. — In this situation we preferred, abandoning the Bill altogether. In doing this, Sir, I own, I made a most paintnl sacrifice of my personal feelings to public duty ; but this is a sacrifice I trust I. shall never hesitate to make. We thereforeeofi'ered to withdraw the Bill ; but at the same time we felt the necessity of adding something to that °Er. On a former oc casion 'a desire had been intimated, that nothing of the kind should in future b'e pressed. We therefore thought it right to reserve to ourselves the power of expressing o'er opinion, and of suggesting to his Majesty any future measure shut might seem expe dient; accompanied •%:cith a JespeCtful declaration that all the Members Qt : the Cabinet were eager .to contribute everything in their power to his Majesty's personal ease and comfort. This part of our proceed ing, Sir„has been most shaMefully misrepresented to the public. r --lu falsely stating, that we Wished to re serve to ourselves the right of pressing the subject en his Majestyin future, it has been omitted to state that our only wish was to submit any measure that might seem expedient, to his- Majesty'seexision ; it was omitted to state,,that we respectfully assured his, Majesty of our earnest regard for his. personal ease and comfort. Sir, in what sittlation,should we have been placed had we no retained , tee right of express log our sentiments ? The Bill introduced by us must he withdrawn. I felt,. thA ~ tithout exposing biS'Majesty's opinion I might have assigned Sahel cut public reasons for, withdrawing the Bill ; but, Sir, it Was impossible, consistently with my honour and my sense of duty to my colleagues, that I could refrain from declaring my own sentiments upon it. Besides, in withdrawing this measure we had to look to a Catholic., Petition, and to the pressing of the general question more eagerly. than ever upon Par liament. Was it•not necessary that those who hall -hethre supported this questibp should again state their opinion upon it ? And would it haye been honourable, would it have, been fair, not previously ta , appiise Isis MajeAy of that' coarse which we -telt it to .be our clear_ and undoubted duty ta pur tle-? Sir, I. am confident that in making this appeal ..to the Hcu&e I cannot be unsuccessful. Let me put - it in another- point of view. Suppose, 'after some -discnssion„ that the measure had beets abandoned; '.e.nd suppose, that on the presentation of.the Catho lic Petition We had' freely stated cur opinion without ny previous intimation to his: Al*sty:--what . sort eh charge would 11 - ;en have been' brought against. • us, by those who now accuse us for having Made a can- 4.1k1 explanation to his 4lajesty of our semunents ? But to return, Sir, to the ,history of this transae,, Zion. His Majesty, in reply,-expressed l his satisfac 7 tion at the deference w had shown • hith ; but re opired us to withdraw the other part of our state ment, and -to - give an assurance in writing' not only that we would never again propose the measure in question, but 'also that we would never pro - pose any measure cOnneded with it. • Sir, as- far as - personal motives operated in this demand, lam con vinced that they were of the purest deso iption ; for, during the short time 'that I have had the honour of being in his Majesty's service, I have had fre quent opportunities of remarking his Majesty's gra cious and benevolent afeetion for his' people, find the 4nxions desire by wlich he is urged to promote their Welfare. As tar, therefore, Sir,' as his Ma . ie ,, y Was personally et'ncerned,l can have no doubt that in this demand he was actuated :by the Most •t• bondur4l4 and congief)tiouS Motives alone. But tteither o'ifs'elf nor my colleagues being able to as to this reonisition, we stated to his Majesty , N pos6:blity of out complying with it,•' Zit next day his Majesty,. in the same gracious_ manner that we have ever been aecpstorried to experience from him,. informed us that he must look out for new Servants. Two days afterwards I was authorised to state this'circurustance to the- House ; and on Tues day last his Majesty signified his pleasure that . we should resign our Offices. This; Sir, is a statement of the - whole transaction, as far as it can be -stated without a reference to the various documents that I have described. • 1 much wish that those docu ments, in an ktil mutilated state, were beforethe House and the- Public . ; and if his Majesty *ill be gra ciously pleased to give orders to his Servants to pro duce thepi, I, for one, shall be highly grateful.— Those documents will bear me completely out in the assertions, first, that we did not propose the measurd" to his Majesty without sufficient motives for so doing ; secondly, that we did not propose the measure to Parliament with Out sufficient reason to be satisfied that it- had his Majesty's concurrence; thirdly, that when we discovered his Majesty's in surmountable objeaion ,to the • measure, we ful filled our duty by,COnceding to it ; and that in add ing the respectful request to allow us the liberty to state our opinions on that subject, and to propose to his Majesty any future measure that we might I think expedient, accompanied with the assurance of Our anxiety for his Majestys personal ease and comfort, instead of improperly pressing the question on his Majesty, we were simply doing that, which not to have done, would have been to have justly subjected ourselves to the reproach of every honest and honourable mind. , Sir, I shall be ready now, or hereafter, to enter into- any further explanation that may be demanded 'of me. I am sure the House will have the candour, to .believe my de claration, that I feel not the slightest di'sposition to complain. I cap entertain but one feeling with regard' to the gracious and benevolent dis position with which his Majesty is animated, and so •far -from endeavouring to lessen. the respect and attachment that is felt for him, no man will be more ready and anxious than myself to increase it. Indeed, Sir, I should be most ungrateful were these not my feelings; for during the short 'period 'that I have had the' honour of being in • his Ma jesty's service, I - was honoured with repeated marks of approbation ; _and on quitting his service, his Majesty, satisfied (with _the exception of this single measure) with what he - was pleased to, term my faithful and- diligent discharge of my duty, conferred upon me the high reward of his approbation. Sir, having concluded my state ment,- I . shall abstain from entering into any argu ment upon it.' I ,will,not.,attempt to shew how inconsistent with our honour it would have been. to have. given a pledge on :a point, in which, above all _others, it is..most, essential that a Mi nister should he free. I will not attempt to chew that we should have acted, most, criminally, as well as most unconstitutionally,; had we agreed to give that pledge. .I leave the statement -to the. candid and dispassionate consideration of the House and the Public. If* any- one think., that ; out .of.that' statement a discussion can arise, when those per 'sons by whom the late Ada ilristration had been succeeded, return to their. Seats its Parliament, I grail most cheerfully engage in that discus sion. I am therefore anxious that the adjourn ment should' be' as short as possible ; and had_ hoped, that Monday se'nnight, by which clay the new Writs may with ease be- returned, would have been a proper time for the re-assembling of Parlia ment ; but the difference of two days is so small, that it is scarcely Worth 'contending for:; anall shall, therefore, agree to the Hon. Gentleman Motion-; only stating, that should any , Gentleman think pro per to bring this-sUbjea into discussion - , I am desirous that the earliest possible day should be selected that purpose.. , _ .• • . Mt. HUSK/SSONexpressed his approbation of the candid manner in which the Noble Lord sicced , fri to the-proposed adjournment. ;He deprecated 'de bate upon the statement made by the Noble Lord; in the absence of every person conneaed with that side of the House who was acquainted with the Par ticulars of the statement referred to ; and was sure no intention ever existed of misrepreseraingfaats. Mr. FULLER wished to,knoW whether the Noble Lord opposite, and the Noble Lord who had in the • other House introduced the Bill for the Abolition of the Slave Trade, had brought forward that measure as Members of Administration, or as individual, Members of Parliament ? Lord 1-1011 1 7Cli answered, that he and his Noble Colleague had recommended, that - measure as indi vidual Members of Parliament. Mr. FULLER then • asked whether the seals had been .taken from the Noble Lord and his• Colleagues on Tuesday morning ? Lord HOIVIVK answered, that the notice of the command to deliver u p t h e - s eals had been commu nicated on Tuesday, and they had been delivered up op Wednesday morning. Mr. liii.4.ND gay e notice, that-on Thur,sday fort night he wouldwouldstlimuit to the House certain llesohl- tions expressive of his sentiments wie.• l regard to the • conduct of the la :e 4dministration ; and also expres sive of his sentiments with respect to the grounds upon which his Majesty had been advised to dismiss •thern General LOFTUS stated,, that rl.O pledge had been given by.the Irish Government for an extension of the A& of the Irish Parliament of 1793, to Great Britain;. but be admitted that a prospe& to. that amount had been. held out. Nothing was wanted tq make the people oflreland completely happy but good-order and industry. The map of the people were in a situation as comfortable as ,that of any Hon. Gentlema❑ who heard him. The Catholics were only debarred„frombeingit4ges in the Courts of Law, from being. Members of Parliatnent, and from being Gevierals on the Staff, and these were restrictions that were never felt as grievances by the Catholic Bodyat large. It• Was then ordered that the House should, at its .rising, adjourn to Wednesday the Bth April. Right llon. ord Louvatigg, who had accepted the office of one of the Commissioners for the Affairs of India*, with a . salary ; • For the County of Edinburgh, in the room of the HOII:ROBERTS4UNDERSDUIMAS, who had accepted the office of President of the Board of Commissioners for the Affairs of India; For thellown of Monmouth, in the room of the Right Hon. Lord CIIARLES SOMERSET, who had ac cepted the office of one of the Joint Paymasters of his Majesty's Forces. Lord H. PtTTYmoved, that the order far going into a Committee on the War Taxes Bill be deferred to next Wednesday se'nnight. He said, the condutit of the financial measures would, of course, now de volve on the. successor his Majesty had been pleased .to nominate to the office he had lately held. He wished, however, that the Bill now before the House should be taken ‘ into consideration as early as possible after the holidays. It was ordeitd that the House should go _into the.Commiitee on Wednesapy se'n night. The other Orders of the Day being matters of course, were dispoSed of without observatiL;;:.—Ad tjourned till Wednesday se'nnight. MAILS. ARRIVED-2 Gottenburgh, 2 Husum, t Lisbon, z Leeward Island, a Dublin, Waterford. pus —t Gottenburgh a Lisbon, t Dublin, 3 Waterford. THE SUN. . • SOLZIK QUIS DICER.E FALIUM AUD6/4.2? NEW WRITE. On the Motign of Mr. HustussoN, new Writs were'ofdered for the Election ofi.Vienibers • For the County : of Buckingham, in the room of the Marquis of TITCHFIELD, who had accepted the Office of one of the Comtui . ssisaners for executing the office of L'ord High•Treaurer.of England ;- For the Borolkh of.Ha - slemere, in the rodnl of the Right Hon. CIIMILES LUNG, WhO had aceepted,the office of one Of the Joint Laymaoeri of his Majep:-• ty's Forces ' ' For the'Boroneli of Beeralston, in the room of the L 0 D 0 N, FRIDAY, MARCH 27, 1807. Two Gottenburgh Mails arrived this morning; the following are the only articles of-importance which they contain : " By private letters from Gottenburgh, of the date of the 14th of IVlarch, we are informed, that. the Swedish Government has detained there a part of the 500,0001. sent out by this country for RusSia, which part is to pay subsidies due from the latter to Sweden : these subsidies, it is 'said, amount' to 375,000 rix dollars.; and to answer this sum, 64 casks of Spanish dollars, containing .5.0,00 . each,,have been stopped and lodged in- the Government Hotise, - Gottenburgh. GUTTEt4BURGH, MARCH .16.—Letters received by the post of to=day, state that another severe Battle took place the end of . mbitth, bet Ween the French and the Allies, , near. Braunsburgh, which_. ended in favour 9f the latter.. Other letters say that . . • after the Battle of Preussisch fire French'llt giments came over to the Prnsiatis, to which they were necessitated by hunger:. " An Engliih MesSenger has arrived tiete't&day, from St. Petersburgh, with Dispatches from thence, and from Constantinpp!e : it is reported, that although appearances are atpresent very warlike between ..the Turks and Russians, yet that great hopes are enter-. tamped of a speedy accommodation." (Extract of a Private Letter.) ALTONA, MARCH 20.—The 'Advices that have been received here, ,since.,Tny last, from. the Cora-' biped Russian.and Prussian Armies, are of the most gratifying nature; the Fresich, ifthings go on as they have begun, will have no faither occasion to - issue their. Bulletins, to impose on the.credolous part of the. Public, as they will be obliged to retreat much quicker than they came. On the Ist inst. Gen. BrNtriosnres. headquar ters were at Heilsperg, the chief town of Ermeland, in East Prussia, situated on the river Alle, where he had received The Insignia of the Order of St. An drew, as a token of the great satisfaction his Sove reign feels for his signal services, and this mark of distinction was accompanied by an addition to his sala r y of 12,000 roubles. lie-bad 'broken up from Konigsburghalready, on the 2.4 th ult. ThePrns sians, under Gen. Lasroca, were on his right wing. Gen. LEsTocces-head-quarrers were at Peterswald. "9n -the 26th ult.. the French gained - an advan- . tage over the Itusians, and occupied the town of Braunsbuith, on the Baltic, from whence they dis lodged the AuSsians; but the latter returned to the attack on the 27th ult. when both parties became alternately masters of the place, and alternately lost; it again. ". Those conflicts were. most bloody; and the bravery -and lion-like courage, and perseverance of theaUssians, after "daily .battles with the enemy, from the 26th ult. till, the Bth instant, maintained the field of Branusburgh,which was seen in flames on the sth inst. In this place, and near Heilsperg,-We French left Roar 15,000 + dead on :the field. , Near the 'latter place," the French General LEIW3I/11E, is • said to have been taken prisoner, with 6000 men. • " I\l4,einnori's head-quarters were expected at Thorn on the gtli inst.; and though the french had a considerable force; consisting of their.own troops, and the German and-Polish trool)s at I Ibingt yet, by the latest accounts, they have been driven - back, and Gen. BEt4I , II . GSE/4 kept Continually advancing. " The Russians are - aboOt to receive two great re. : intorcements each of 80,000 men, one of which will he under the - command of the Grand Doke CON STAN TIPiE.* A private letter from Berlin, of the' 14th inst. says, that T4LLEYRAND, ‘ ,llsides g great, . . number of the diplomatique Corps, returned thither via Breslau, in Silesia, -thinking the other road no' 101);* safe. BONAPARTE was daily expe3ee.7 WE lament that we are prevented by want room from . laying . before our Rea:lets the official ac count, given by General.BENmosEN, of the operas tions of the Russian Army from the time of its arrival in Old Prussia, up to the Battle of Mohringen. The length of the Debate in bath Houses compel us to defer it till to•morlow. TEIE subjeet of the debate in both Houses of Par liament last night has produced such an unexpe6ted event, and has excited such general anxiety, that the details of that debate will doubtless attract the partieular attention of our Readers. We have not room to enter into such observations as occur to us ; but, indeed, the subjed was so fully canvassed, as to enable our Readers to form a clear decision them selves. Tw.o points, however, it becomes us to no* tics, namely, the evident repugnance of His MA.. .tasTr,during the whole progress of the Bill re speeting the Irish-Catholics, and the misconception under which he was induced to give it any counte nance. It is evident that His MAJESTY could only conceive that it was the intention of the late Mi nisters to extend the Ad of the Irish Parliament of ,1793, to this Country, and not to enlarge its provi sion's. It is surprising that any mistake should have arisen upon this important topic, that His MA= JESTY'S sentiments could possibly have been tills• understood, and that Ministers should have proceed ed so far without having the fullest conviction of HIS MAJESTY'S feelings and intentions upon a sub- : jeCt that so strongly pressed upon his mind. That the late Ministers had any view to dec e i ve His MA.. JESTY, cannot be supposed by their bitterest enemies, and the warmest of their friends must lament that they took so decisive a step without ,sutficient in- quiry and explanation in that quarter on which they must have entirely depended for a full authority to their measures. Yesterday, .at two o'clock His MAJESTY Lehi a private Levee, at the Queen's Palace. ,The-fpllowihg had the honour of being presented to His MAJESTY, upon their several Appointments, and kissed hands earl Camdep, upon his being declared President of th* Council. 'Lord Mu.lgrave, upon his being appointed First Lord of tha Adiniraity: Lord Cnarles Somerset, upon his being appointed loint Pa master of the Forces. Earl Chichester, upon his being appointed one of the Post. masters- G eneral Earl (Bathurst, upon his being appointed Master of the Mint, and President of the Boardol Trade. • • 1 )) , Ir. Robert' Saunders Duna s, upon his being appointed rfesident of the Board of k:oniroul. • -Mr. Long, upon his being appointed Joint PayinPster of • the forces. , • Lora Louvaine, upon leis - being appointed a Member of the India - Board. • Mr. Percival, upon his being appointed C:lancellor of the Exchequer. After the Levee HisMAJEsTy hell a Privy Coun. Cil, at which Mr. PERCIVAL 'was introduced, and sworn in a Member, and took his seat at the tio nourable Beard accordingly; and at the same time was SW 011 into the Office, and took the Qath Qf Privy Councillor. Mr. 1108,ERT SAITNIVERS'DUNDAS was likewise in, troduced, and sworn in'a Member, and took his seat at the Hon. Board accordingly. His MAJESTY gave audenees to Earl CAMDEN, the . Duke of PORTLAND, Lord HAWKESALIRY, and Mr."PERCiVAL. About five o'clock His iviAJEsTir set off for Windsor. Wrn. Duncan,, the Gardener, who was to have been hanged yesterday ibr the murder of Ms master, has received a respite for ten days. PLICM017:11, MARC!' 25.---Arrived the Caesar, of 80 guns, Rear-Admiral Sir R. J. STRACtiAN, from Portsmouth ; Frigate from a cruize on the Coast of France ; and the Pluto Sloop ith of &:gw \ l N: b a e r r : Anna, ro t ni ,or the Eastward. Arrived also the Danish from Norway, ‘y this () jr 7: ri'e s I' Josef,of 110 guns, this' morning came i n to harbour to refit. FALMOUTH, _MARCH 24.—Arrived this morning the Princess Elizabeth Packet, KInD, with Mails from Lisbon, eleven days passage : left ly ilia in the Tagus His Majesty's Shi ps Li ve l y, Isis, ''ltavett, Richmond, and Martial Brigs; also the Prince of lYales, Townshend, and Auckland Packets, The livalsingham had left Lisbon on the 4th instant,. but th e e Wind blowing strong for some days atter from the northward, it is supposed she is driven tar west ward. The convoy from England had not arrived . out the • Princess Elizabeth was in s+ghc .f a Sh about seven or eight days since which they,supposed to bo the Widsingha3n. • • • . This 'morning Capt. Pococx, of the Princess Mary Packet, arrived here with the Mails from the Leeward Islands; which were landed at Penzance, where the PaCket now-is ; she has been, 48 days,from ,Tortola, and brings no news ; Passenger's by her Col. ARMSTRONG,. Major lii`MAHON, Cap tains R 9 pmEs and . WAnELL, Lieut. YIELDING, M., CROIL and' WM. GOMAN ;\ the Packet arrived at, Barbadoes on the loth of January, _and found lying there; His Majesty's Ship Northwinterland, 74, Ca nada, 74, Halifax, 18, and Swinger, 14 guns ; on the f..,)(1 February, in .lat. 36. 38". low.g. 45..5. spoke a Brig (Rosint ib much distress, and which had lost A rudder, and had 'thrown st) casks of sugar over board; on'the sth inst. fell in with the Diana Packet„Wilh.whieb she kept company for six days, and parted in the night. • . . POOLE, MARCH 2G.—The Nevvfoundlatid Fleet under Convoy Of the Me i rcury" Frigate; passed by yesterday"; they are tocall off Torbay to take that ‘7'essels are there destined fbr the same place. 1 ; DMD. , Lately, at his seat,at Wrig p tington-flall, near Wigan, Lancashire, vadvanced - age; Edward t)icconson, Esq. I,oNnon : Printed by It: II A riltls (of Marileft-court, Bow-trect), and publi:;hed by W."A; Sca !PPS (cif South. Miiiiltuii-ttrocf), at tb,e, Sun-Office,