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once, to remove them from their Offices, but eer. tainly, it they were to be accused, it ought to be on some specific point. If he thought , the Ministers Were wrong in not going to War, let him bring for ward a Motion upon the subjea, and try the sense of the House upon it. The Right Hon. Gentleman had said, that Ministers did not come into their Offices by Intrigue; but if they came in to stop up a gap, and to prevent the People of Ireland of their rights, he was not disposed to feel much prejudice in their favour. He then adverted to the observa tions which had been made upon the Power of France he felt as much as any man upon that subjeEl ; but he agreed with ,an Honourable Gentleman (Mr. WILBERFORCE) that there was no reason to suppose that the Power of France would continue as great as now was—when the causes which had called forth those great exertions sub. sided, the Power of France would subside.to its na tural level ; it would no longer continue to be so formidable a machine, nor would she possess so . much applicable force as she now did. Mr. Fox rpursued this line of argument - at consi derable length, and spoke in.decided terms of the superior policy of Peace. A great deal of what was complained of would, he thought, naturally be reme died by the operation of time. NO part of the con_ duff of the French Government since the Peace, he thought, could fairly be deemed aas of aggrandize. ment against Great Britain. Most of the aEts in question took place previously to‘theTreaty of Peace: in many points there was even no pretext for the interference of Great BO.tain ; and speaking of the subjeft of the German Indemnities, he thought the concerns of the Eleetor of Hanover as distinEt from those of Great Britain as those of the Landgrave of Hesse Cassel, or any other German Prince.— Much as he may lament the fate of Switzerland, he thought it could-not be considered as, an aggression against this Country, still less a ground of War. A very important point connected with these conside , rations was the financial circumstances of the Country, which a Right Hon. Gentleman, who had so strenuously contended against the Peace, seemed entirely to put out of his consideration. With re_ sped to Malta, he deemed it - would be politic in the British Government to retain it, while a doubt remained respeaing the arrangements agreed to ; hut when these were settled, and France had fulfilled the letter of the Bond, it would be neces sary, on principles of National HonoUr,. to make the cession. All the causes of jealousy and dissa.. tisfa.'tion were not on the one side. He then re ferred to the irritating language which, he said, appeared in Publications on both sides of the water : he referred to some censurable matter which ap peared in a Paper printed in English at Paris : he then alluded to what had appeared in some of the London Prints, and which redounded to their shame. "He quoted an 'extra& from one of them, which was nearly to this efccel : " Creat,Britain might to fight this man with Navies and " Armies, or with something other than a Pen.". He would ask, was not this direaly to instigate the assassination of the Person at the head of the French Government ? Would it not bear such an in ference ?—(A cry of " No, No.") He reprobated in strong terms this mode of proceeding, but still he would prefer this Paper, to any other mode of War. He would rather have Newspaper upon News paper, Moniteur, Mottling Post, and .Argun ; the one upon the other, sooner than have recourse to the bayonet. He allowed the crisis was momentous, but nothing as yet warrant ed hostilities, on our pair, and he bad hopes of the Peace proving of long duration—the Riches, Naval . Superiority, and Commercial Resources of Great Britain, were its best Secui-ity---and„ upon the whole, he was inclined to assent to the Address. Mr. ARCIJDALE made a variety of observa_ tions upon the topics which had been urged in the Course of the . Debate, particularly on what had fallen from an Hon.. Baronet, relative to the Union with Ireland ; and in the attempting to define the. tern), Jacobin, he expressed' his hope, it could not apply to that Hon. Person, of whose charatier, in his idea of it, he gave an outline—and seemed to attribute the errors of his condutt to his quickness' of feeling, excessive sensibility, and proneness to credulity. Mr. WINDHAM in explanation spoke at consider able leng►h, but which, however, was chiefly in answer to the various' arguments adduced by Mr. Fox. ' Mr. WILBERFORCE said a few words in expla nation. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER ob- served, that the speech of his Right Hon. Friend (Mr. Wits:m.lAm) was precisely in the same strain of despondency as that which he had deliVered on the Motion for the Address. The general tenor of his arguments, however, were applicable either to a state of Vrv'sr or to a state of Peace, though certainly in a greater degree to the latter. He was perfectly aware of the principles upon which that Right Hon. Gentleman had stated his opposi tion to the Peace, and he gave him full credit for the Manly, spirited, and consistent manner in which he had always avowed his sentiments—lf he under stood his arguments of that night, .he supposed it to be the Right Hon. Gentleman's opinion, that upon the whole it was desirable that this Country, on the general ground of security, should be re storeyl to that situation from which it was taken by the Treaty of Amiens—ln that view bespoke of the evils which would be averted, that the French would not now be in possessiota of Louisiana, or of St. Domingo, and that the British power would still remain superior in the, Mediter ranean. This, however, was not a fair way 'of putting the case : the House were to con sider, whether, on the whole, it would be better, for the sake of averting those comparatively lesser evils, to plunge the Country into the calamitie s of War. The died - of the arguments, at the other side of the House, would be, not only -to renew, but to render War perpetual. Such would he the effect, if War were to be prosecuted until there should be a probability of those evils not being re newed, which, in the Hon. Gentleman's opinion, were less than the evils of War. Mr. ADDINGTON then adverted to what had fallen from a Noble Lord in the course of the Debate :, that Noble Lord had asserted a proposition which was not maintainable, namely, that it was impossible hostilities could be renewed. The House Would do him the justice to recollea, that in the very discussion of the Treaties of Peace; he had insisted that measure was not taken on ac count of any deficiency in our means to carry on the War. He had disclaimed the plea of Necessity, and in the present instance, he would aver, in opposition to the Noble Lord, that if the honour or the secu rity of the Country demanded the alternative, it had the means of supporting a contest of seven 'or eight .years duration, -without imposing any binthens on the People, but such as would be borne with cheerfulness. This allegation was not lightly made, but was the result of deliberate and minute investigation. With resped to the language that was held out, with regard to the Negotiations en tered into by their Predecessors in Office, and Com parisons made between them, and the late Treaties of Peace, he thought that the terms of the latter gave to the French no material advantage over what was offered to them as a first proposition, in the for mer Negotiations. With respea to the Noble Lord's objections to the persons of those who composed the present Administration, and his idea of their being unfit for their situations, he conceived him to ob. jea principally on the grounds of an imputed want of energy and vigour in their condutl. But he would ask the Noble Lord; what part of their con_ dun, either befOre or since the Peace, justified such an imputation ? They followed.up the plans of their Predecessors, with respea to the Northern Hostili.. ties, with vigour,and effect---their preparations for the Defence and Security of the Country discovered no want of promptitude or energy :—.they sent ade quate Reinforcements to the Army in Egypt—they detached a Squadron to block up Cadiz, and to watch the' Spanish Coasts—and since the Peace, nothing ofthat nature alluded to could be charged upon them ; but they would be deserving of censure did they dis arm to the extent which the Noble Lord and his friends at one time deemed it proper. For these reasons he was induced to think, and as there were no specific grounds urged, that their real crime in the Noble Lord's eyes was their enjoying the confidence of the'Sovereign, and being instrumental in giving_ Peace to their Country.. He then pro ceeded to argue with great ability and.effeft against_ the other positions advanced by the Noble Lord and Gentlemen at his side of the House,' and entered into some detailed calculations to shew that the si tuation of the Country was considerably improved by the Peace, and that her strength and resources were such as placed her above every apprehension of danger in those points of view, contended for at • the other, side of the House. Speaking of what had appeared in Public Prints in -both Countries, he expressed his concurrence with . what fell from an Honotirable Gentleman on that head : those kind of observations were, he thought, equally un worthy the good sense, the prudence, - and the manners of the . Country. However, it was, not his wish, on that account, that a finger sliould be laid on the Freedom of the British Press.—" God forbid !" said Mr. ADDINGTON, " the worst " consequences which could ensue from those, were " light and insignificant, 'compared with what " would he the effect of such an outrage I" In concluding, .he assured the House, that Mi nisters would uphold the honour of the Sovereign and of the Country, they would make no compromise disgraceful, .even. for the preservat ion'of Peace, but would persevere in a firm but moderate line of con do& ; and in pursuing that wise and honourable course, they would rely on the support of the ! House, and the approbation of the Country. Mr. WINDHAM said a few words in' further explanation. Lord TEM:LE also explained ; he was misrept;:s;:aited when made to say, that a renewal of hostilities was impos sible. Ile knew the Country possessed energy and resoii:e.s, but the present Ministers were unable to call them forth. Sir IAMES M. PliLl ENETe approved of the Condue'e of Ministers. A sort of'explanatory conversation ensued between Lord MotPErti, Lord HAWKESEURIC, and Mr. CANNING, rela tive to the comparative merits of the Negotiations at Lisle, and the Treaty pt Amiens, &c. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, in the course of some explanation, said, he thought it necessary to state, that the Establishmeets which were proposed as Cie eco nomy of Peace, would amount to about Twenty-nee Mil lions. After a few Observations from Mr. BRAGGE, the Report was read a second time and agreed to. The Address was ordered to be presented by the whole House, and those Members who are of His Majesty's Most Honourable Privy Council, were ordered to wait upon His Majesty, to know when his Majesty would be graciously pleased to receive the same. Mr. VA as TT rAkr gave notice (in the absence of the Chancellor of the Exchequer) that the Chancellor of the Exchequer would move to-morrow, for leave to bring in a Bill for eke better establishing and regulating the Militia in Ireland. Mr. VANSITTART then moved for the following .c -ounts, which were severally ordered. An account of the net produce of the permanent Taxes for the years ending the loth of October itiA, and the loth of October iSoz, dis tinguishing each year. An account df the amount of Boun ties paid on the importaion of Corn. and Rice for the same periods. And an account of the amount of Exchequer Bills issued wider the Act of the 41st George 111. chap. 4, now outstanding and iraprovided fur. Adjourned at Half past Twelve o'Clock, till To-morrow. THE SUN. SULAM SZUIS DICERS F ALSUM AUDEAT ? LONDON, NOVEMBER 25, 18oz. BY a Vessel arrived yesterday at Portsme,uth from Demerara, we learn that Surinam, Demerara, Berbice, and Essepag, were still in pOssession of the English on the t3th HIS MAJrSTY held a Levee yesterday at James's Palace, which was nu:nerously attended, it being the first after the opening of Parliament.— The Company consisted 'of his Grace the ARCH BISHOP Of CANTERBURY, the BtsHoPs of LONDON, NORWICH, GLOUCESTER, ROCHESTER, SALIS BURY, the DEAN Of EXETER, the 'French and American Ministers, M. OTTO, the Right Hon. the CHANCELLOR Of the EXCH NA] ER, the SECRE TARIES Of STATE, the Judge of the High Court of Admiralty, and the following Noblemen : Dukes—POrtland, Roxburgh, Peaufort, and Rutland. Marquis—Worcester. Earls—Westtnorland, Stair, Darnley, Cork, Darttnouth, Mansfield, Essot, Chestvrtield, C;.rdi;ori, Aytesford, Sand wich, Camden, Clank-am, and Warwick. Viscount Nelson.. Lordr—Pucie, Walsingham, Lowther, Cathcart, Crenvilje, LoftUs, Glendore, Melbourne, Ifirownlow, C. So merset, R. Tottenham, Bavning, Willotmhby De Broke, Hobart, Hawko4bury, Pelham, Castlereagh, and Amherst. Gorods—Phippo and Ross. ' Admiral Berkeley. Colonels—Robinson, Graham, and Metham. Captains—Chaplain, Paul-, Sir S. Smith, and Stirret. Saumarez, W. Hamilton, and F. Molyneux. Messrs—Duncorribe, Canning, Ryder, Lamb, Burnel, Town shend, Dickens, Yellowlay, Broderic, Guerin, Bague, Por talis, and Smith. The Presentations to the KING were : Lord LoWater, on coming to his Title: Lord Robert Tottenham. Capt. Stirret, of the Guards, by Lord CAthcart. Lord Glendore, on his arrival from Ireland,. by Captain Paul,' of the Navy. Mr. Burnel, by, the Lord in Waiting. Mr. Duncombe, by Earl Dartmouth. Mr. ToWnshend, by Sir W. Scott. Mr. Portalis, Secretary to the French .ambassador, accompa nied by Messrs. Guerin and Bagne, Aid-de-Camps, by Gen. Andreossi. The Hon. Mr. Lamb, accompanied his father, I.ord Mel bourne. The Earl of WAR WICK was at the Levee for the first time this season. . After the Levee His mA J EsTy received the Ad dress of the Lords in the Great Council Chamber. Lord ARDEN and Viscount NE LsoN attended as the Mover and Seconder, 'The KING afterwards held a Council of the Ministers, at,er which Monsieur Ovro had an audience of leave to return to his Court. His MAJESTY then returned to the Queen's House. Her Royal Highness the PRINCESS of WALES ' paid a visit yesterday to the QUEEN. We have the pleasure to announce the safe arrival in the Downs on the zzd inst. of the Hon. East In dia Company's. ship the Princess Mary, Capt. AN_ ' DREW GREEVE, and the Ann, Capt. ALEXANDER' SINCLAIR, from the Presidency of Bengal, which. place they left on the fat day of June ; arrived at the Island of St. Helena in September, and sailed the z6th. The Pursers arrived at the India House. with their Dispatches late on Monday night. The above Ships sailed from Portsmouth on the gth of September, 1801, with the- Manship.and Comet, for Bengal; the Caledonian and the General Stuart, for Madras, and the Sovereign and the Northampton, fbr Bombay. The Princess Challotte Captain Benjamin Richardson, from the Spice Islands, sailed from St. Helena for England the 17th September. The Lord Eldon, Captain Asper Sweete, and the Minerva, Captain George Weltden, sailed from St. Helena rim - the Cape of Good Hope on the 23d of September. 'the Skelton Castle likewise left St. Helena for. the Cape on the 4th of October. The Comet, Captain Thomas Larkins, sailed from Bengal on the iamb of May ; but having sustained, some damage in a gale of wind in the lay, she put back to repair. The Sovereign, Captain Gilbert Mitchell, was left at Ben gal taking in a cargo for England. The Manship, Captain John Logan; the General Stuart, . Captain Robert A bbon Mash ; the Caledonian, Captain John Craig; and the Northampton, Captain Robert Balker, were at Bengal. The Scaieby Castle, Country Ship, left Bombay the ad of July for England ; arrived at the I stand of St. Helena the beginning of September, and sailed the 13th. The Companys regular ships, the Thames, Captain Ro bert tVilliams; the , Walmer Castle, Capt. Essex Henry. Bond; and the Canton, Captain Thomas Lushing:on, which sailed from Portsmouth the lath of February last, arrived at Bombay early in the month of June following. We are happy in being able to state from un doubted authority, that our Government of Bengal • have dispaiched Mr. CHURCHILL to the Isle of France, in the Cornwallis, Capt. TENNENT. This Gentleman is instruttted to claim the restitution of several ships, belonging to our Merchants in India, which it appears have been captured since the Peace. The Priv,iteer which made the capture, is called the Sabtilite, and was commanded by Capt. Pt MAUD.— IL is coniiijently said' - that the French Conmander was we convinced of the Preliminaries of Peace <l4 . T~E'Z . :Jill/IC captured Ihe Highland Chief, Porcher; and ARive ; and theTa s ,Ca l ,c. MEiK, was taken by the Bellona, and the whole sent to the Mauritiu;. In addition to the above Prizes, are the following: The Sophia Brig, Capt. HAYES the Clarissa, Mr. HnitcoußT, Chief Mate ; the Nancy, crab, - Mr. ROPER, Second Mate; the Orient, from • Chittagong ; the Apollo, Capt. BROWN ; the Coo/wed/is, Lieut. M'CAsx L L ; the Amboyna, Capt. ALENS ; a Brig, which missed the Island, and went to Bourbon ; and the Prince, Capt. _Sco . T. Yesterday a Court of Direaors was held at the East India House, when Captain CaAt.c was sworn into the command of the new ship E/ph;nstone, destined for Bonth#.--The Court adjourned at six o'clock fill to-morrow. Sir GEORGE LEITH, Bart. according to the latest accounts received trinii the East Indies, was lett in possession of Prince of Wales's Island, as Lieutenant- Governor. We understand from Madras, that Jos' AHWEI3 Esq. has been appointed Resident at the CoUrt of His Highness the Rajah of MYSORE, at Seringapa_ tam, in the room of Lieutenant-Colonel BARRY CLOSE, who has proceeded to I 3 oonah, as the Bri. tWi Resident at the Court 'of His Highness the Peishwa, STREEMENT RAo PUNDIT PURDHAM. The Privy. Council again met yesterday morning at eleven o'clock. Lord PELHAM, the ATTOR NEY an,l SOLICITOR GENERALS, were present.-- Fourteen of the persons in custody were brought up br the gaoler from, Tothill-fields Prison. john Whitloe, one of the paity found at . the Oakley Arms, was, after a short examination, discharg ed on his own recognizance. Wheeler, ?intent, Blake, and Dry, four others, were taken to Union- Hall, and there dLcharged upon giving the same sureties. The remaining nine, viz. Terence Gaiter, Patrick Pollard, Owen Byrne, alias John Lambert, Solomon Chdron, Lawrence Sheridan, Michael Owen, George Wade,. and John ill‘Carthy, were re-com mitted. A Private in the Guards, of the name of Pollard, was likewise brought ty from Tothill-fields, and underwent a long examination, after which he was ordered to be committed to the Savoy. Several warrants were issued for the apprehen sion of other persons, supposed to be implicated in this Conspiracy. Tuesday the LORD MAYOR. ordered the Price of Bread to be lowered half an As s ize, or one p enn y i n the peck loaf, to take place this day.—The price of the quartern loaf is ninepence farthing. We understand that a Petition is preparing against the Return for Berwick upon Tweed. Mart ied, Mr..DARKE, of Holborn-hill, to Miss WEDGE, daughter of CHARLES WEDGE, Esq. of Westly Bottom, Cambridgeshire. Died yesterday morning, Mrs. ALLAN, of Sloane_ street, in the 72d year of her age. Died on Tuesday, in Chiidbed, Mrs. KEN WORTHY, Wife of Mrs. jAMEI KINWORTHY,'Oi ironmonger.line, -Cheapside, NAVAL NEWS. DOPER, Nov. 24. IT appears that the Dutch Ship the Vrede) of which I sent you the melancholy account yestetdat drove on shore upon Dymchur c h W a ll, about that miles to the Westward of Hy t he, a nd went pieces, she being an old crazy Ship, almost it n° 3 ; o ' diately. The scene, at the m o ment she went f pieces, I learn from a G ent le man w h o was one o f about thirty people then upon the shore, wag nixing beyond the power of words to deserw: i ; 'The following List of the Crew is taken from °" of the survivors : Soldiers - - 320 Officers - - Seamen 6r z Women -7 - Children - - - Passengers - - 20 of whom, lamentable to re l a t e , on ly 18 472 were save' and the greatest part of the m are d rea df u lly maii lle o and bruised. About zoo of the bodies have be picked up along shore. N o t an Offi cer wa s saved, FALMOUTH, Nov. 22. ARRIVED His Majesty's Ship Le Renard, of guns, Captain ALDHAM, and Hunter Brig, cf l b goes, Capt. JoNEs, from a Cruize, and rema in W't the Gannet Brig, of IS guns, in Carrick Roads. The French Sloop Les Deux Saws Unies, l ate Captain AMIENS (who died on his passage Wi le ' ward), from Senegal bound to Havre, with gins ivory, &c. went on shore on Saturday night lashat Port Holland, about four leagues East of cif Port. The crew and part 9f the cargo saved., In consequence of icontagious fever having brok en out on board the Ship Mari, Capt. TEMPLE, arrived here some little time .since, bound to Artie rica, from London, she having on board about for`i Blacks, she is ordered into'quarantine. PORTSMOUTH, Nov. 24. ARRIVED this day at t h e M ot h er b an k, an d - w e a put under Quarantine, the Unio n , G EMMEL) Baltimore. Spoke the Susanna, from Jamaica London, 3d inst. in lat. 4+. 17. long. 44. Union, Goonsvm, from Malaga ; arid liestal,fr 13 . ER, from Fiume. • fra il Passed by this day, the Leander, WHITE, ; a Demerara. Sailed 13th October, when ita possession of the English, as well as Surinam, Pets Nice and Essequibo l and, Martha, RocHE, (I° Grenada. PLY]IIOUTII, Nov. 23. ARRIVED the ship Lascelles, of London, Capraitl Ost ER, from Norfolk (Virginia), laden with o r ' &c. leaky, bound to London ; also' the Unit): BR ENT, frdm Bilboa ; Nivv, LEGG, from Bayoo c " and Naria Margaritta, SL E I BOOM, from Bilboa• Several of the wind bound vessels sailed ti ll; miming to the Eastward. Yesterday Sir WILLIAM SCOTT made a R e port M.,),;4zsTr of Wilk:am Codlin c , under cent er ' of death in Newgare, conviFtcd at the last Aahl';irc ratty Sessions for wilfully and feloniously destfl f ing and casting away a certain Vessel, of %.%, ble b was Master, upon the high sea, within the jtlr',4 diaion of the Admiralty of Engl a nd, with inters and design to prejudice Robert Shelton and otil et i i who had underwritten a Policy o f Insurance upon the said Vessel ; when he was ordered for execLi tl9 on Saturday next, at Execution Dock. On Sunday last, at Cook Berks, the Ladi, i , Col. WHE A TL E Y, Ist Regiment Guards, was sa l `, delivered of a daughter. , The First drawn Ticket in the State Lotter C° . begin Drawing Monday next, will be entitled t o ol . Twenty-five Thousand Pounds.—The First-dr avi i last Lottery was‘ sold by SWIFT and Co. N0.. 7 1 ; Poultry, who have al s o s h are d an d s old o t other Capitals since November last. On Monday next the Lottery begins draw i l; Mr. NICHOLsON'S Tickets a nd Sh a r e s that br !i been so justly celebrated for producing Car t Prizes, are only to be had at No. i 6, Cornhill , or posite the front Gate of the Bank. Note.—The first drawn Ticket is zg,cool• ar e the first drawn the fourth day will also be 25.00° A CARD. berry Merchants and • others, Shippers of Rol' „ : „, j , and Cherry Brandy, for the East and West 111°`"0" are respe&fully informed, .that these Article s I now to be had in the greatest perfedion, by aPP ing to the Master of the New. York Coffee -Ws where Samples may be tasted. . er.. Tues : slay last, at St. MARRIED George's Church, 1 13 T I° I h 6 square, by the Rev. Dr. Law, Archdeacon of R o chester :4 , c;r . -Rev. Frederick Hotham, Rettcr of Burnham St.i!tOlirowal folk, and Vicar of St. Warburgh, Derby, son of M r. ',1.1 1 0- Hotlidin, to Miss Hodges, eldest daughter of the late mas Hallett Hodges, Esq. of Hempstead-place, Kent' DIED. Yesterday se'nnight, at Frostenden, in the County o f folk, the Rev. Christopher Smear. MAILS. DO . ARRIVED. French o - - HolLuid o - PRICE Oa YESTIADAY. Bank Stock i India Stock Navy S per Ct.looi tot roof ; South Sea Stock g 110 reg i• j ler C. t. 1797, tool 991 ioo Excheq. liiils s• -„, 99i F un d a b l e ditto Pre l "• 3 pc.r Cent. Con. 831 Ilrai "3d exchequer Bills diS• 3 per Cent. Red. 66iii (Thulium tot 6) 'if 3 per Cent. Con. 674,gi t i i mper. 3 he , C ent intto Scrip Diito Ann. .ti 7 -16 . Bank 1.. Ann. 19i9-16 Bank for opening Ditto Short Ann. 4 7-16 India for A/c Ditto Scrip Cons. for Op. 671-1 z WELV E O'CLOCK• lOmnium- 0 t tr'S C ' • TIIIS DAY AT 67 Consols . C - Cia ' rder Arve r : Lannon • Printed ad Publiihed b ‘V 1.1.1. km Ycilot• Square., Scx rys (of South n Moitott-Sticet, y ); by B. APNII CLA N ;of Agi" Q. Ait Strand.