The Sun. — London, England, 1802-05-07 00:00:00

- - JMPbRItIL PAI? L'ArAll , l EN T. 1 HOUSE OF PEERS, THURSDAY, MAY 6. HOUSE OF COMMONS, THpitspAy,. 04y 6. Coe ts..ss.t. were filially heard relative to the Scotch Appeal, hog, v. Thwaites, uarnely, the ATTORNEY ,GENERA,L on the pan of the t\ ppellants in reply, aftec which their Lord- , ships postponed the further hearing of the case till this day se'nnight. The various Bills before the House were. forwarded in their respedive stages. The Eledion Treating Bill was brought up from the Com mons by Lod BELO R VE, and one Private Bill was pre sented by i\;l,r. j9DDRE.LL. • Some private btisiness was then - disposed of, and their Lordships adjourned until - to-morrow, when, the House .ttanci.s s:turimoned,upon- the Motion of EarlSf ENC.Eri. On the question, Whether the Cullan Road Bill should be read a'secoh:l time, it was opposed by Sir rr_ Li Am SCOTT, and supported by Mr. Mf.reivr.F • Upon which the House :divided, ayes 53, noes 49 . The Bill was then read a second time.• On the question that this Bill becommitted, the House again divided, ayes 51, noes 40. , Earl TEMPLE rose, in consequence of a former 1 notice, to move for certain Papers relative to Malta. In the first plice, however; he said, lie should state . the reasons which induced him to call for these Papers. It was agreed in the Preliminary Treaty, that Malta should be restored to the Order,as it was before the war, placed under the guarantee of a third Power. By the Definitive Treaty both these; stipulitions - were . infringed; the order is not re stored to its situation before the war ; a,new Lan guage has been introduced into the Order, incon sistent with the radical principles of Nobility on which the Order is' founded.; by leaving out the French Languages, and introducing that of Malta, - we have adopted the much deprecated principle of interfering with theThternal Government of Foreign Nations ; we have joined, France in revolutionizing :Malta, and converting the Order of Nobility into a Deniocracy. The NOble 1.,0rd then entered into a detail of the revenues of Malta, in order' to prove that we had restored the Order without provid ing for their support, and consequently for their independence. He then - proceeded to shew that a Neapolitan ,Garrison put Malta entirely into' the hands of France ; he. ontended that Prussia, Austr la, and Russia, would , not interfere with the guarantee proposed to l them, and then the affair "remained entirely between Great Britain and France. H e coneluded by several observations, to shew how• much the security Of Malta is aiFeled by . the state Tw Inch the Cisalpine .Republie w a s , pl ace d b y t h e reaty of Luneville ; from which he inferred the recessity of that Treaty being laid before the House. He concluded by moving, , : " That there be laicr before the House statetrent of the romthercial Duties and Territorial Revenues of 'the. Island of Malta since it was surrendered 'to His Majesty's forces, yith these Duties and Revenues, distinguished into any nual accounts." • • • •-• • • • The cotton was then.put_and agreed to. Earl TEMPLE then moved, " That an humble. Address be presented to His ,Majesty, will be graciously pleased to lay' before the House a ropy of that Treaty concluded Luneville, between the Etripact of C.,ertriany and the French Republic." Lord .11,1WEESia- 7 47Y said, he did - not rise to a r ty LnsWer whatever in this course of the proceedings, which tic thought .would not be right" or regular, but simply to state in a feW words' why -he should obed, to this gotion... The flat Motion of the Noble Lord was . for a Mere matter of Ac count. to be laid befOre the House, and he had offer ed no objection to it, nor had'he any; but this vas Of another kind, and he objeded to . 1:, because no Parliamentary ground either had been, or could be stated for the produaion ,of the' 'Treaty which i 1 called for. Yesterday- Motions had been made;and one of them for the Treaty of Badajos, to which be did not objeel, because a fair Partiamentary ground 'was laid for its produCtiOn, and so, he did not Oppose it, nor did he, after the Mo.; tion wab modified, oppose that for the produc, tion of the Tri:aty of Madrid. The Treaty o Was concluded a year acro to which this country was no pzrty, and was not includ_ ed in the Definitive Treaty of Peace—under these circumstances . , he .aid not think any Parliathentary ground wv:s laid for this Motion. This Treaty could not be wanted for inforination, because, in reality, they might haye a Copy of it at almost every Booksetiee.s : Shop ist this Town. But there, was no ground for calling for it as .a State Docu ment ; Gentletnen had no right to say, that this Treaty was in the hands of Ministers. He did not say it was not but he did say, that - tli-ere was no Ic'arliamentary ground laid for' the House tb say it Wai. Feeling that this application to the 'House was different from that to which the House assented yesterday, that tlio l'arli,imentary ground was laid for calling for it, that it had no cOnnealion with 'the Treaty Of Peace, nor with any thing arising out of it, he took the liberty of resisting this Morton. Mr. THOMAS GRENFILLE said, he could tot alldw the . distintlion made by the 'Noble Lord, between the'Treaties of Madrid and Luneville, nei ther of which were mentioned -in the Definjtive Treaty, but both were intimately conneaed with it, The ecssion of t h e ' Ci sa l p i ne Republic was so generally understood to increase the power of France in that quarter,.that most people thought we should I P iave retained I\l4lta, us a countervailing possession. t could not then be argued, that the Treaty of Which. the Cisalpine Repubil was ,given up to France, was a question uncooetaed With a discussion reliaing Malta, Mr. PITT said, that his Noble Friend had not stated that the Treaty in question had, or had not I:ezn o icially communicated to Government r , he ilitrely stated, that . the Noble Lord and the Gentle- iticn Who supported this Motion, had no Parliamen tary ground upon which they could assert that this Tleaty 1 - 14 d been so officially' communicated, But tie' ;Pally could not conceive how the.produetion of ';his Treaty could'be necessary for the purpose of Thc;c:ebate, nor did lie think i t cou ld b e proper l y applied fof, on the grounds which had been. stated ; ti . s Right. Hon. Friendspust know, that the Treaty Luneville was not made in conjtinOi4 o this ihat we were not a party ni. , ,zeisarily eon 44ed with it. • Whether we approved of the Go ,Ttrnent of Aust.ii 3 yidding to the necessity which .• ' • d; aced that Treaty, Wag another question, but it certainly was not a British question. But on what &untis did the produdion of this Treaty appear to .be necessary to a free, comprehen sive, and candid discussion df the Treaty of PeaCe, such as tet?cled to convey substantial in formation to enable the House to forma judg ment sa.tisfaaary to themselves, and the 'Pub lic The mode of Airoceeding adopted by his .Right Hon. Friends Alper) this occasion, seemed to be to separate, and to take one by one, the different 4r ticks of this Treaty ; and by these Motions, to diicuss each Stipulation . by itself, instead of inves tigating the whole'-Treaty at once, and deciding upon its general merits. His Right Htm.'Friends confessed, that the subjea was not before the House; they called for Documents to, enable them to decide ; and yet they argued with as much pe remptoriness and decision ? as if, not only no further information was necessary, bur as if the question admitted of no doubt. They decided without he. sitation or difficulty, that one Stipulation was inef feAual—that another was inconsistent with the in_ terest of the ,Country --that a third was disgrace ful, &c. He agreed with his Right Hon. Friends, that th4'stibjed was .to be considered With a re_ ference to the general situation of Europe granted btit if the Treaty of Luneville was laid before the Houie, what use would it he Of at present ? His Right Hon. Friend opposite to him (Mr. GaErivi Lee) had lamented some of the Stipulations of that -Treaty— so did he. It was, however, now set aside by are a& of the FienchGUyernment, which 'was a newrnqnu 'tient of the ambition of that Country, ereaed even between the Preliminary and Definitive Treaty ; his Right . 4 1 . on. Friends opposite-to and he did not differ in their opinions of the Chief Consul and Government of France. 4s far as that conduct went, it might be urged as an objeaion to the whole Treaty.. "He did not differ .from them upon general points, but with regard to the inference that Might be drawn frOgi them. , The way to consider this sub je& would be, in hiS opinion, when the time for dis cussion came; to consider the objets gained 'and for.: tified by the Treaty of Peace, compared with the pro bable effeel of a continued pro s ec ut i on o f t h e W ar, un d# the circumstances in which Europe was placed, when all the Other Powers were making separate 'Treaties of Peace, .and securing their separate in feresti: 'He . had said perhaps. more than was ne cessary ; but he merely' said thiS to suety the view in which, he considered th e qu e st i on . Th ere was nothing more unfair,. in his opinion, than thus tak ing the Treaty article by article, 'and debating it in detail, when the only proper way to consider such a subjea was to take it in the whole, with all its bearings and obje'ts ; to consider the situation of,Europe, and the hopes, .by continuing the war, of altering its situation, and to compare them with the difficulties of continuing the War. His opinion of the situation and resources of, the Country were well known ; it was such as ought, not to compro mise the safety or dignity of the Country. He ;le ver thought so, and he was now less than ever in duced to hold that opinion ; we were far from hay. ing arrived at the ultimate• period of our resources. This was a general question, and he really thought that his Right Hon. Friends would do better to vOait for the period of general discussion, 'than to adopt this plan, which, strialy speaking', was not irre ,gular or unparliamentary, of discussing the Treaty in detail, and sta king every Motio n f or a p a p er a vechicle for general animadversions uponthe Peace. -This kind of debating could answer no good pur pose, and therefore 'he 'was not surprized that the Ministers declined. this mode of discussing the sub jea, and waited for the day appointed for taking the Treaty into consideration. . Mr. IV.I.2VDHAIV contended, that we could not argue so well upon the. Treaty of Luneville, nor make such use of , it in the Debate, if it were not officially laid upon the Table. The ,Treaty of Ltineville throws much light 'upon the general Question, by chewing in what state Europe was placed by it. It also brought to light the bad faith of the Power with which we had recently treated. The utility of having the Treaty of Luneville was then evident ; the only question that remained was, whether an authenticated or an unauthenticated Copy-of it was preferable. It was proper to have information ; and it was necessary to shew for what reason any particular inforination was called for. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, he would not pretend to decide upon the intention pf Gentlemen, in ,the Motions that had been. made upOn this Subject ; he could only judge Of the ten_ dency of them.—His Hon. Friend had said, he did not ask for the judgment of the House at present on any part•of this Subject; that, Mr. ADD I I , ITON said, was what he complained of, for when the judgment of the 'House could not be had upon the Subject, Gentlemen were taking a course (as far as their influence could go) to_atfea that judgment beforehand ;—a mode of proceeding which was certainly at variance with the practice of the House. —lf the language of the Hon. Gentlemen on the - other side of the House, was; as had been described by his Right Hon. Friend (Mr. PITT) ; if their Ar guments had . been direded • to obtain information merely ; from him, and he believed from no other quarter, would they hear any complaint whatever : but the complaint was, that these Hon. Members were taking a course, the tendency of which was, to produce opinions which could not be expressed by the House.—Now, with reference to the Mo tion before the House,• he had very little to add to that which was said by his Right Hon. Friend on the Bench behind him (Mr. PITY), and his Noble Fried on the Bench with him.—But it was said, it wa T right for the House to know what had, been don e with regard the Cisalpine Republic, and that therefore the Treaty of Luneville should be produced ; the answer to which was, that the Treaty of Luneville could not explain that Sub_ jest ; it could give no information whatever upon the Subject on which so much stress was laid by Hon. Members on the other . side of the House.— It had been alledged; that the Treaty of Taineville would be useful to. the House in the disCuSsion of the . Treaty of Peace, and• it had been - Oki also that his Noble Friend admitted the Treaty of Luneville was an Official Document. 'His Noble Friend had said' no such thing - .—He did not acknowledge it to be an Oficial Document ;--1-le said, he did rot mean to eay whether it was or not an Official Document, but that it had never been stated in such a way as justified the House in con. sidering it as an . Official Document.--But, it was said, thr,t as the Treaty of 4adajos )4 been granted, the Treaty of Luneville ought to be grant ed.also—and, it was Wic.ed, how could the one be • refused since the other was granted? The answer to which was ? That the one had no necessary con , net - lion with the Treaty of Peace, and the other had. The justification of a particular part of •the Cohdu4 of the g.itecutive government rested on an Article of the Treaty of Badajos ; and it was there ' fore assented to, that s u ch Treaty should be laid before the' House; but that was not the case with resped to the Treaty of 4uneville :—However, if it was conneaed with the Negotiation which cop eluded in a Treaty of Peace, and if, instead Of justi fying Ministers, it would lay down grOund'of in culpation, and the Document called for, was an Official Document ; then it should , be produced. The Treaty of Badajos had a necessary'conneion with very important parts of the Negotiation.— The Treaty of Luneville had no such donne Lion ; and therefore he concurred with his Noble Friend in resisting this Motion,„-- r There was no reason to say that the discussion would be fettered, or that the ground of argument . would be narrowed on the . Sullied of the DefinitiVe Treaty of Peace, by .nega tiving this Motion.--However, if there had been a Parliamentary ground laid for the produftion of the -Treaty of Larneville,,unquestionably it ought to be produced—but it was not -,so ; and he woL id f a k e the liberty to add, 'that tl:re 'Treaty of LUneville wool4 . noi aid the disctision, if it were before the House. In one word,. the grounds cf his opposition to this Motion were—that no parliamentary 'found ation was laid for its produdion ; and also, that he denied there was.any conneaion 'between the docu ment demanded, and the subja to be discussed. WINDHAM explained, that it was not . Pis cussiOn but Inforthation that was at present re quired,' Sir l YOUNG said, that it was only from the Treaty of Luneville we' could learn if the connec tion between France and Austria was such, that the latter would be a proper guarantee for Malta. Mt. /ONES said, th a t the E x -Ch ance ll or o f 'the Exchequer and he seldom had the fortune to agree in . opinion ; but what that Right Hon. Gentleman had said this night; was so like what he himself had said last night, (a loud laugh) that they seemed for once to agree in opinion. Long speeches, he said, had been made about Papers. He did not know what use would be made of them ;" but, cer tainly, the movers worked well with the materials they had ; but .their efforts were in vain, for the Public would hear of nothing but Peace. Mr. ALEXANDER deprecated the present mode cf discussion, as it tended to prevent all Parliamen tary business, and to prejudice the public mind be fore the question was fully and fairly discussed.. Dr. LAWRENCE contended, that it •WaS per fe&ly proper on moving for Papers, to go into the discusSion of those points to which the Paper's re lated ; added to this, it was impossible to discuss a subject of such magnitude as the Definitive Treaty, where so many points were to he considered in otie debate, nor could they go with propriety into that discussion without the means of previously inquiring into the details which relatol to the subjed. T 1 Treaty now asked for was one of two Documents, the other being the treaty of Badajos, Which re lated to Malta, and he thought it .ought as well as the latter to be laid before the House. The Motion was negatiired. On Lord TEMPLE'S last Motion being put, for a Copy of the Laws and Constitution of the Order of ;Malta, referred to in the toth and rob Sedions of the loth Atti'ele of the Definitive Treaty, Lord HAWKESBURY obje&ed , o it, observing, that 'he believed His Majesty's Ministers were not n possession ofany Official Document of this nature ; it was matter of history, and any one might refer to it. - • • After a short conversation between Lord TEM PLE, Lord HAWKESBURY, Mr. WINpIiAM, Mr. N. VANSI TTAR T, and D r . L AWRENCE, the Motion was negatived. The second reading of the Irish Court of Law Eiil was postponed till Tuesday. The farther consideration of the report of the Poor Relief Bill w: deterred till Friday next. - The Bill to amend the Lords Ad was re-Committed. A short conversation took place between Mr. Wit. 4rAm WYNNE, Mr. ALEXANDER, Mr. SERJEANT MOORE, and Mr. BURTON, when the Bill passed through the Committee. The report was received, and ordered to be taken into farther consideration on Tuesday, and the Bill to be printed as amend.- ed. Mr. N. VANSITTART moved for leave to bring in a Bill to enable officers, seamen, marines, and soldiers, employed in the serVice of, the Country since the 24th 'George 111. to ex ercise Trades.—Leave given. The second reading of the Town of Sligo till was post poned till Monday. Mr. W. ELIOT gave notice of his intention to move the Navy Services in the Committee of Supply on Monday. Mr. BANK ES brought up the Report Of the Committee on Dr. Jennet's Petition, which was ordered to lie on the Ta ble, and to be printed.. Mr. ALEXANDER brought up the Irish Sugar Drawback Bill, which was read a first time, and ordered to be r ea d a second time to-morrow. .- Mr. ALEXANDER' brought up the Irish Indemnity Bill, which was read a -first time, and ordered to be read a second time to-morro*. • • The Committee on the 7 Aas relative to the Sinking Fund was postponed till Monday. • • The Committee on the Irish Linen Bill was deferre.4..till to-morrow. The Committee on the Aas relative to the Provisional Ca valry was postponed. till' Wednesday. • . The Militia Pay Bill passed through a Committee,• and the- Report was ordered to be received-to-morrow. The Militia Subalterns Bill passed through a Committee.,— .Report. t6,:morrow. • ... . l'heCuilimittee on the Scotch Nlilitia Bill was postponed till to-rnorfow'. Adjourned at eight o'clock till to-morrow. PR ICA 0 S T dank Stock 1 9 2 3 N.oey per cetit. ro3i- 2:k 3 ; per C.erit. 't797, par Cent. • 4 per Cent. Cote. glak perCetit. Red. 75,1.• kr Cent. Con. 7biai : . Ditto Scrip ,1* Bank 1... Ann: 217-161 7-16 Ditto Short Atilt: Ditto Scrip STOCKS. MD•Y. 1 I ndia Stock 2241 Excheq. Bills ss. 6s.' prem. Fundable ditto . prem. 3d Exchequer Bills par ' New S. S. Stock Oinnium go. linper. 3 per Cent. 73i 4' Ditto Ann. 'l2 -3-16-4-i6. wank for opening ..' . India for opening COnsolli for ACcctlEt 763 7 6i. A X-P.ll' so. Holland - - ; French - . r MAILS. PRICE OF STOCKS, THIS pdvr AT TWELVE O'CLOCK ponsois. - - Uranium THE SUN. ... - ° 31 DEEM QVIS DICERS ilastll , 4 AUDEAT LONDON, MAY 7, IS0:• WE this morning received Paris icarnals of t ilt 4th instant ; but they contain nothing of interest. On the 3d, the French Funds were at 57. 30• We also received a Dutch Mail this morning Nit its t eqptents are unimportant. His MAJESTY yesterday morning took an C*' curbion to Kew Palace. e l.i. d m ne o rs n a g ii ' y t , he vi.l p is re4e r i . it K at i i x on w s: A t N o , fi v i e s an ll4 o ; K iE ii s i T oata ): l , y ° . Lord HOBART. 'The Dutchess of Cot:R.l4.Np arrived iry - - this Moi-*g from Paris. The Peace Establishm en t, b ot h o f t h e. Nail and . Army, will be comp ose d o f- t h e b est b o dy o, r P le. that can any where be seen, .as none but picked nt I nc will be received,-either on board the Ships, or r 9 any of the standin,g Reginients; . The retirement of Captain SCHANK, from t h e Transport Board, was, we believe, in consequ h c. : of his own request, on account of his health. 46 Board will only e x i st t ill t h e accounts 'relating t° Transport Service, and. the Prisaners of %II . ? "Made up and adjusted. Much Spectilation seems to have arisen, arin—; sarily; reSpe4ing the Dissolution of Parliament. We never su p pose d i t wou ld b e dissolved LP.- to wards the middle or 'end or June. er.• We know th e art ifi ces t h at arc use ' made u 7, o ',ie.- r sons of a certai n d escr i pt i on, to rut) down o t " n predate that m ost respe ct a b le pa r t of the r , E 1 pity, with ()) whose cre di t t h e v i tal interests c Country are so clo se l y connected. A ve,lY tendance in the house is exPeted on the next l cussion of this qUestion which, 1 S ta r iuS fof , we t ! , • Tuesday next. Mr. ADD;tGTON llas been peculiarly fortuna te in finding such a Coadjutor as•Lord'Er 4 ,v, , K Esaul' fr and" particularly in concluding a difficoit Negol ;ion. An hereditary love and knowledg e o f "b e' ness, a manly eloquence free from asperity, and ; voted attach Tent 'to the Constitution, have irioc i f ic . bly marked his poli t i ca l_ career.; to which ril 3 Y.i t , added the most imiable private character and .Str l efi i est integrity, which identify himwith the 10 Government as it did with the preeding one' Iv ', It has been an n o unce d at t h e General pC,StPagif that "after M on d a y t h e 17t h o f M ay, the Fi:mj-e5-4 Mail will be m a d e up an d di spatched three weep, viz, on Monday;, Wednesdays and an Yesterday a Meeting washeld of the mereiier:, of the City of Loudon; to take into theiior sr is ation the propo se d meas u re of a Th ree Day's clect the week to the Continent, which they apPre' en e al. Would prove detrimental and inco nven ient to them. A private Lette r rece i ve d by the Geouiaxf frog! Bengal, i n f orm S us t h at Government' have o'c succeeded in civilizing the Vessoyee, a race 0 ' c s ' s o', plc, than whom no tr ib e hi t h erto k nown seCa l ;e ar barbarous.—This object. appears to have in I ;itli. the introdudion of the ti m b er i nto 'Bengal; which that country abounds. tha t We are informed by the Overland Express , the Heiress of Shevagunga died in 0410beF 1. Her successor has been. appointed. boo TO V SSA INT is a pried black, at present 4 01 14 Ss years of ag e ,' of a venerable appearance' • oe4 possessed of uncommon discernment'. He i s S the Gener a l i n Chief, and is always attend e ` i t k i pi l four Aide s -d e -C amp . H e wears as a un if o rm, 3 °v et of blue spencer, with a large red cape falling f pee his shoulders, and red cuff's, with eight rows n iett es on his arms, and a p a i r o f l arge go ld co lt co ati thrown back on hi s s h ou ld ers; a scarlet Wa l , s a r ed pantaloons, and half bo ots ; a round hat Wi t! ' lo g feather and national•cock a d e; an d ' an extregie* sword is ,suspended from his side. , A Earl COWP . E R, is about to return from Par is ' c ; be fortnight's residence in that Capi ta l is fou r T e pebq as much as is agreeable, an d i n t h at t i m e . all t sight; may be seen. • s t° An Entertainment, in h onour o f t he Peace', i 00 (1 , be given by Boo,r L 0 E'S Club, - upon - a. very' w ill scale, though, at,the.sae time, the compd.n';,,, a t be very select. Th ere are to b e 250 Subset.'t flit° ten guineas each, for which they are to have ea in Tickets each. Th e Ge nt l emen are to be dr es eata fs; an uniform agreed upon, or full dress, or ree l ' the Ladies in fancy dresses.. wid er ' The Lord Mayor and Sheriffs have, we „ion' e stand, shaken h an d s , an d ivas h ec i d o wn th derstanding between them hi a bumper °f paign. The latter, however .resolutely resets I ; l eY question of Ri g h t f or f uture di scuss i on , in wl ch Will have the benefit of Clergy. Why may not the Lotteries be• •hereat te ; 14.0' in Westminster-Hall out o f . Term . ..time 1: W' c o so li, of no place that wou ld answer t he ptirpme a Of and, we presume, no ex p ence Would be inc ur • fc Government for its use. Let - Mr. ADA of seems resolved to be a M an L ater' tern. A few years ago he published Bedi t a en m arl Now he has publi s h e d a w h o l e Letter, wri t years, ago by M r . F ox , w i t h Annotation s D Ai Mr. g• self.' In due ti me , i t i s possible that o wn will` be abl e to publish an entire Letter Qf d wi ll i , (writing, but it is hardly , probable that any bo J fad it but himself. S 1,2 been • His Royal High n es s the MIK EOfL;EB Nrog , .; Re6lusr ot ys pleased to appoint the Rev. Mr. FAR • 1 kiig htic Adisham, in Kent, one of 'His -- ° Y a Domestic Chaplainst al.rS.