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,examining the nrark of .the 'hoses of the gdod, „withontapening them, ,iii case ,the - operation of opening might destroy the goods. in 'consequence • - of this, many frauds were committed; and, as an instimee, he stated a case in which a box which , purported to contain ,tea, on being opened, was 'found to contain Cornwall stones ; this ,he men . , tinned, to strew that the provisions of the Mani fest Act were not sufficient., lie then went on to state what the effect of opening the trade Would be upon London,, where large bending. have been erected, and expenstee establishments formed, un der a conviction the trade" Was to remain in the of the Conatsuy. Were these at once to he broken daWn, for the purpose of givifig to the' out-ports bolseis which lie bad aheady statedsirtte. deltisive ? fie tooted the authority of Lord Mel= ville in support,of the: present system. On the subsequent resedetions, 4,5, aed 6,lte :should not at that time say any thing; . neither was be aware that they were in any i way objectionable.— He had already made sonic observations on the 7th resolutioo in addition to what he had said upon it, he would observe, that ships built within our' Indian territories are by law entitled to Bri tish, registes„; and also that St . t'cllTlCO froni the ter ritories of the Company ere British se:Mien under' .the true coustruction of the Navigation Act. All that he wished was, -that these persons shoidd be informed what were their rights ;' beea4Se this was nt'eessary for the security of their capital.. Thk led him to notice an Omission in his observ ation out the third resolution respecting the ports which were to be allowed to trade with Had the Noble Lord considered the 'Warehousing Act, and inquired bow far its provisions were coin llied with i -The trade to Jodie ought not to be id open to any portointil it Was proved to Par liaMent thet it was expedient, and that the port WAS, fitted for the extension which it required. lie bad no particular objection to the ninth resolution, for he Mr it highly prOper that the Itnyal Autho rity should have greater influence in the appoint- Mont of the Governor General of India. Heshould reserve his Oservations . On.the other • resolutions to the And. Having delivered his ophOn on the resolutions, and said on what poiuts he thought them - obscure, in what parts he thoOght them im propor, and calculated to leave the Company shorn of its power he would prOceed to call the atten- Om of theiAordsitips to some omissions itt thOse resolutions. lie had already said that . he would not separate between the power of the Crown and that of flue CoMpany; he would have them tonal gamaterl and combined. But he thought that the system required iMprovemeut ; and if improvement had been applied judiciously and prOperly, it would have prodneed the very best consequences. He had always thought that the power of the King over the country was neither sufficiently distinct, nor sufficiently active; for it should be so as to in -crease the strength and dignity of each. At that'. time there was distinct responsibility of :the Ciimpeity, He thought • that there was a' great. ,deficiency in this, that although the commer eitil and political capacities of the company were inieparable, yet lie was far from saying that the aceounts of these two branches 'might not be se parated. Why did not the executive power of the Crown exerciser its authority in this ? It ought to be` corrected---it *lido. be corrected, and he thought it very extraordinary that on notice should have hem taken of this in the large plan which, was submitted to Parliament, He next referred to the subject of -.:he situation of the whole army of India with reference to the authority of the Company. He said, that, the real cause of the dissensions be tween the Commanders in Chief and the Governor- General, was.the umlefined relation in which they subsisted with respect. to each other. Referring to the Native Troops or . Sepoys„• he thought that they ought to he admitted to those honours which they.tnight det , ..crve; i»stead of 'being '(as at pre aentj excluded from thoie honours to which others of . the 14 , 1 MC description ere in other parts admit 'tett. He akc, censured the omission of any rules respecting the admission of foreigners to India in rise of itpeAce, because, in case of a peace, fo reigners, to the preserit state of •things, could not be .preventc.:l 'from •roainiug through our Indian territories withoet reStrietion. Respecting the llth ft esolution„ about an Ecclesiastical tow bliihitjtot India, he had always felt that such an establishment 'should be placed on ,ft footing of great dignity, hi order to elevate the British in the , ea,tinettion of the natives. He also thooght that the head of the Ecclesiastical Establishment If lOUICI stand in the same relation . to the head 'a thi= Civil Government there us in Great Britain, -so as to prevent any Collision between the /loth°. rides. Owing to the late unfortunate occurrences in India, there might he great delicacy in the im. mediate. or incautious. forination• of such an esta blishment, and unless carefully done it might ex cite alarm. He could not separate the considera tion of the Ecclesiastical Establishment from ano ther extraordinary omission, viz. 'that no provi sion had been made for the establiihment of tee train wits ot education, which seethed' almost in- separable horn any consideration' f trotters of re ligion. With respect to the diffusion of the bless ings of Christianity limougst the natives, it ever it was to be done, it WAS necessary that it sionald be clone Atsdnaily, And must work its way through seinivaries of education. It had ever been his • opinion, that the diffusiim of the blessed doctrines of the IteligiOn among the natives, was only to be &eked by, estehlishiqg seminaries of idncation under our klcelesinstiettl dignitary, and there, to ,obtain the assistance 'of learned natives for this desirable purp'oic.' He never knew much of missionaries, thongh bet had always considered thew as a le;irned, respeetabre, and distinct body, and he bad sometimes 'employed a few in the edu 'cation of young. men"; he had employed sonic of them in tranallting the Holy Scriptures into the language of the Natives, a duty which he had eon cerveti to be incanibent on him as t.4oiernor , Ge , He finished a very long speech by,sayiug, that ilk objection to time plan of Ministers' wets slics, that while'it held forth to the country, • and to t h e wcivlito that Om East , lucius Company Was be cantiotted in the Government of India, al though the plaii did .esstnitially deprive the Coin puny of the means of`carrying on the Government, Eli zu various timr plaints, if it would tot entire lv destroy, at least it would impair the commer cial interc,t Of the Company, while it held 'out to British merchants deluive hopei, which could never b realised. fie moved for the production of certain parities to' illustritte what be had and that those papers. should be referred to the consideration of the select Committee on the af fairs of the East India Company, then sitting ; and after the Committee should have considered these papers, he should think himself at liberty to submit to the House any farther considera tions relative to, their proceedings on that sub ject. The Earl. of 'BUCKiSIGHASISHIRa rose, hi the situation in which he stood, it would be a neglect of duty were he to remain silent. Something of personal allusion had been mettle by the Noble Marquis to the conduct of Ministers; ,in leaving • brought for Ward this vulva. without _laying snfii, cleat information before the House. Such an oh -- serration appeared rather extraordinary, when it was known that with a view to inforniatum a mo tion had been made two years back for the Purpose of examination. The Commitkee appointed for that purpose the Noble Margaii" never' took_the trouble of. attending. To nil be had said upon the ability with which the Government ot. India had heel, conducted, he gave full assent. But he never could admit the charge against Ministers, that they broUght the House unprepared to the question.-- It Was jidt fair to argue upon it as an Act of Par -Hutment,- The Noble Marquis had dwelt at much. length upon the dangers of an unrestrained inter-. course with India ; but did the East India Com-, patty themselves admit this danger in the permis sion of private trade, so far as they allowed tt ? The Noble Marquis himself, at one time, seemed to,he of t different: opiion, and after expressing such sentiments would endeuy(>ur to trig,hteo them out cut the course theY`tato( - , , t6 piersue, of placing British merchants iirelikeiime , footing with:thp Americans. i he-AMOlgans carried on a trade to India, amounting to 1,465,205/. Ile would now ask &that Would not he a greit relief to the fish Merchants. lie did not see how it Was 'Ms sible to resist such an application. fie would not follow the Noble Marquis through all he had said upon the danger of increased adventure. 'The Noble 'tart:lois spoke mach upon the system of manifests. If he bad material objections to it, be ought to have proposed one which he considered more eligible. With-respect to smugghag, he be lieved it was .now carried owl() greater extent.by the officers tit • the Corapany than it could he un der the proposed change. He was prepared, when the occasion Offered, to state his reastms why the system proposed was preferable to the present one. After a long speech, the greater part of which we could not collect, from the low tone in which the Noble Earl spoke, he concluded by saying, that if it was his conviction the Company could not sub- sist without such part of their , commerce as it was prop i hsed to take from them, he should be the last to agtee to it. • Lord - GeeNvt4,e was happy that an oppOr tunity was once more given for dismissing this subject; and gsatetul for the light that-had been thrown on it by the Noble Marquis (Wellettletl. Until their pin was regularly proposed- by fro.. vernment, lie felt it difficult to make any vation upon it. He much doubted the practica bility of the Company preserving in Almon their commercial and political character. It was true that with propriety, they could not refuse to Bri tish Merchants what 'Was allowed to the Mei chunte4 of other countries. The question was; whether they were to 'continue - 10 preserve the commercial privileges of the Company for the sake of her political government. Their first fluty was to look to:the prosperity of the country for' which they legislated. The inconvenience of uniting the two characters in the Company svas too obvious to need veinal- 2 .5. As, to theirpoliti cal power, they were before deprived of it in great measure by the Act of 1'784. , As •to-„ the trade, the Company admitted that it was a losing one. He thought nu private merchants could suceesifelly cutter into competithiu with the East. India Company in-the trade to India. The Com pany. Who now carried on that trade at a loss, would carry it Cin at a stil greater loss in order to beat the private merchant. He wished they°. 'Meal and eisnimerciel power of the Conitiairy to be divided. The treasury and the counting-house in Bengal to he separated de ft:do. This would occasion nog inconvenience of moment,• and he could see no reason why the East India Company, in their character of merchants, shouldnot be put on a footing with other meri,hants, and obliged to make their remittances in hills ,olexchenge. The revenue of our Indian territory ought not to becol leeted in kind. it- could not be so collected with oat thcinost cruel 'onpressilon ; and Parliament, therefore, would not do its duty it it did not guard against such an evil. Ile' admitted it would he dangerous to .the Constitution - to give the -pa tronage of lndia,to Ate- Crown, and un this much stress had been laid by the Company, but he-con ' tended it did not follow, because it ought not c to be given to ,the Crown that it ought to he continued. in the hands of the East Jodie Cum- . puny. it ,might he . entrusted to other hands, under such regulations, as should make it impos sible to convert it to' tiny political. putpose., It was not necessary to the situation of our poor Con - atitiation that the East India Company. should eon ' tinue isf,the Administtation of the Governmeist of wished to know, when it was pro posed to throw open the losing trade of India, Why'British subjects were to be excluded from the China trade, from which we could not ex.. .elude Foreigners who were seen to be successfud, competitors of the East India Company ?. claiming all narrow prejudices, lie called , for a free 'trade. This he thought. necessary to the prosperity of our Indian Empire, to promote .which was their duty, a duty which they owed to God and,to themselves. If it were necessary to continue the Civil Admiuistration of India•ln- the hands of the East India Company, the army ought to !Tutuila to them. They ought to be }needed its, inseparably connected with: the discharge. of :their political duties. The Officers 'of the Indian army ought to rank with the Genera Staff of the English army. Ile entirely disappresved of the pretent system Of educating boys toe:lndian ser. viee. He thought, instead of being so educated as to make hint feel little attached to this country, it would be better that he should be, brought up in that way which would cause hint to' carry the strongest mid most interesting recollections of England. This 'was, a wafter on which* the Ex - ctitive Government ought not to be left to decide. Parliament ought to interfere, suppress time East India Company's College at Hertford, and, suffer no -one to go in an official capacity to lutlia, who had t at received his education at one of our pub lic schools. The Comany's establishments, of a nature similar to that which he had mentioned, ought also to be put down. This subject, he hoped, would be: fully investigated. Lord LivEnroot. agreed, that the first object for their . consideration teas net the ad. antages which England might'derive ftotti India, not whe thertrade could he carried on More beneficially for this country under one system or another, but circumstanced as we were with respect to fifty millions of our fellow-criatures, wltel systent of Government would most -contribute to their hap piness and 'prosperity. He agreed that taking the patronage of India out of the hands of the East India , Company, would not necessarily place it at the dispo*al of the Crown.' The Governmeot -of Jodie, front 1784 up to the present time, bad been most advantageously carried on by the Company. He knew of no colony in ancient or modern• his tory, which had to boast of such a - Government. The present system, with respect to the trade to India, he contended it wa s i m p rac ti ca bl e to maintain, under existing circumstances. A new era had arisen in the world, which made it impos ;sible. A great change had taken, place front the train of events, and they must shape their course accordingly. The question - - (as had been said by his Noble Friend) was not whether they should exclude all atiVeriturers front participation in the , trade to the East Indies, but whether they should exclude British merchants from that trade which - they conld not keep from foreigners,. It was said, " - mach damage wont& result from the unrestricted admiSsioa 'of Europeans into lodia. The Peti tioners for the Opening of the trade did not ask to• ba admitted without restrictions all they claimed was to be-put on a footing with the Ame ricans. The opening of the trade to India pro ,' tnised to prove beneficial to' those who might en gage in-it, as it had been seen an advantaeons trade to India had been carried on by the Ameri cans, and by private English merchants. The . benefit of the trade to India formed, however, but a small portion of the adVantages he anticipated front the measure in contemplation. The new sources of trade to other parts, which it wotdd be likely to open to us, if the precious golden oppor- - . timity were notiteglected, be thought of much greater importance, which, if we were bound by narrow prejudices, would, in all probability, fall into other bands. He, however, was of opi nion the China trade ought not to be touched, as makingau alteration with re3pect - to that, might risk the loss of it altogether. In, the one case (that with respect to the trade to India), -no pre,sent advantage was derived from the commerce carried on, a/ greet advantage might possibly be derived frOni throwing it into new hands ; in the other case (that respecting the China trade), we were in possession of a great positive advantage,, which Haight he lost, if a change were attempted. To the objections urged on the ground that it would afford great facilities to smuggling, he attached little importance, as the Itiver,ifforded facilities for illicit trade, greater, in a tenfold degree; than any other port. lle saw' no reason to think an advantageous tra4e to India might not be carried on ; and he trusted Parliament would be able el feCtually to guard against the evils which had, been anticipated.' The question was then put and negatived, And the souse adjourned at One o'Clork th.s morn ing. HOUSE OF COMMONS. vittrux, APRIL 9. A new 'Tilt- was ordered for the borough of St. Masers, in the room'ot Mr. W. Shipley, who, since his election, had accepted of the office of Steward of the Hundred of East Hendred. On the motion of Mr. Aldermen A..rxtus, it was agreed to that no new Writ should be issued for 'Weymouth till Thursday next. Sir W. Starr moved for and obtained leave.to , brittg in a Bill for the hetter tegulation of Eccle siastical Courts in England, and for the more easy recovery of Churoh.rates and Tithes. The Right Hon. Gentleman prefaced his motion with a t a w general observations on the state of these Courts. on their history, and on the inconveniences which existed in their constitution. The object of his Bill (which is the same lost by the late dis solution of Parliament), was to abolish ex communication generally, note only as a mesne process, but as an ultimate ultimate se.utence, except in cases of great offence. In thest, be held that it would be impossible to do away With this power in the Reeks iastical Courts, as every Church must have the ability to exclude univorchy mem bers from among them ; and there were prunes (incest from eiiample), whiLli were not amenable to the common laws, mut so destructive to society, that there most be a punishment, of force enough to repress them, Another object of his Bill, would be to lessen the . nintiber•of minor Courts, which had the pater of excommunicating; mid lastly., to, devise a more , easy manner fur the recovery of Church rates and Tithes, tire present mode of re covering small sums being oppressive, from the magnitude of the expellee incurred. Aftkr a few words from Mr. D. GIDDY, lease was given, and the Bill brought-in and read a first time. it was ordered 'to> be printed, and to be read a second time on the 28th. The Exchequer Bills Bill was read a 24 time, and committed for Monday. P. GRENVELL- moved for copies of the papers enclosed in a latter from the Governor Geea neral of India, to the Court of,Direetors, of date 2cl Nov. 1807 ; the answer of the Direators„and various other documents—Leave given. Sir H. MONTOOMEIty, in consequence of tire production of these papers, which would require a considerable time to print and consider, post" 1,0ND0N,%, Pcnti , tl THOMAS wonn, of No, se rand; and ru b l ia m i by WILLIAM AIIMIGER S< StHPS, South Multivioitti• St t shrr.sui Owes, NO4 11, 1 2; Strand; where ddrentifelnentS; Orders ft;r the Popab 40tterctier the:.Editor,Ae. (post ipaiti) potted his motion relat ive to the free exeNt. their rellg on in the inhabit,' Monday, till after the recess On the motion of the CH*: CHRUZER_the: House went THE AFFAMS Mr. Bruce Smith was call/ be had been, long in. ha and Reclaimer of Waste La was in unison With that of and contained no new sweat .Captein Hugh Lindsay or, He also had great - experience rally concurring with precedii subjects of unliinited interca speCulations, Mt. Wilson, -formerly a: Ca pany'a Service, and for niftily India, was next examined, a of the dangers of Elll'OpeRII : country, .and the risk altos terprize. Air. Farey, an India Mere: to the same effect. • The House then resumed; ing received; they obtained Monday, Mr. W. SMITH presented by one hundred Dissenters, i don, in favour of propagal India. It was read, and ordered tt Mr. S. THORNTON !NOVc ! fa a variety of papers relative to dicial administration India, hicat ions front the Governor-6c Ordered. The House went into a CollllUit!Ce HISIIIIICHt for llig r Treason &rabic. diictission ensuedh, elli'`c" ad leadins. 1 0011 1 - 11/1114 - I". Tiler wallet et. :ti?, 4, 44 , io, oats of le•l0t) liv S. fx tNcvA,Gat of 6t to a Collupittetao r led in awl ia as a WO And. His te d •• precediog 0106 teats of 4400.1; • ,as nex t gator' ein India, mole. , ing wit A oesses u,gj gale owl color lk, 4i. of , :aptaia to tie • or, Y years a ger.o, a rid spoke ie P 4 et, 1 ;,!,..1,, IllterCWlTri'' frOai Wei:oo - of U S nel :hint, gate e to ••i• • w wit t be. ..!pt RAJ the A pr : 1$ leave to tqi Or • 14, I le I, • ,„A,, reliO°lV'' iit and 31)00,4 ot tag dit 'llll4 to ollifh I le eitectioic t a e 4.0 4441 carrying the sentence of beheiu,„ mg' the criminals • •.‘ ,ii into execution. •4, • '---.... On the mot beillo° pkg, 3, 4 .., , 4on for the report ~.,a,,: , , "ii-ronav, . . . , Mr ii.n,s . r nail e i o::'` o f th , .KLAtio opposed the be ! of , i ~!ii t h e I . 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