The Sun. — London, England, 1813-05-14 00:00:00

vrhe fri { yeiter' Co ,Tll.lte fi nd to' gniga" Ne . l 6 got! do . ~p h FaC' diz , 11 b l i T relY or piCV, oulct riOgs o , , tivot 15;U00 on 6c 10 We 11 o te, 3° c • 46 1 ItCb, 1111. 0- ' • • 005 ilit f l ` "lr 1 . 5 lo zo tali; 631 j. , per „hiclO al B pi tj'i T e ' e ' irri f , Ay ;4r , Ole l XOl, ~ OP' o f , ge , L e f fr 0 4° . . 5 ,11 3 1 rOd' p ack' 0 1 ' 1 ' t 1 ) ! 1)0 , 14,j~ t ~ di e !cc" ( 116 , ~lir~ litltill, jA ItLI.A,W.CENI'.. HOUSE OF. 140ROg THURSDAY, MAY 13. MISCELLANEOUS. a Catantittee of Privileges, the Claini.of.the • Robert Needlnun,, to the Kilmorrey Peer tiiii taken into. conSideration, and softie 'vi !e adduced in tnpport theleof. :. The further trdings in, tte Committee were aaljonrne4.till , . 'ley sesitnight. . • . . a the resulting of the House,' le Fiirl of DERBY presented•a:Petitioo from. 4!lgt9n, in JAncazdliKe, in (avow of the pro -11"11 ot . Christian Knowledge in India. N EIISKINE stated; he had several Petitions , laalae effect 'to .present to their Lordships.. 'lliere drawn up in : an ttnexceptionable man 'The first was from the . Missionary SocietY, Id in Lo n d on, t h e - , sole object of which . ?Yea(' among the ,l-leatltera- and ,inien 7 . nation s the blessings of the Christian ' 141.1 .; blessings to which this country was )4 1 1 for every tether natios Ni‘l'aelrieD"SietiSfler72gki:eelv'' eirtY ec'lllll37"ei(ti; k k , 1e . 12 Innau t nature 'vas subject. .... 91, ,Lardsltip also oin reentetl Pettftons t ii ,1 1 0 1)1 11 Liskeard lii the County of Corow! rvl r t illo certain parishes in Somersetgliire. r ile t ! )f these Petitions should have his support 1 4 % w lP . i l th a view to the, promotion of Christian 11, 5 "414 e, e by itil s a f e .111(1 prudent means i , the only pr YlNch the 'Hit of the Gospel could tee t rely Igtm,. lib ht 4;4 4 -le petitions being read, were severally (1 0th nit nii the table. tht., ,Itu ltgritio n of the I.4oTip CUANCELLOR, ~ t(l erf . - . . . L litt 11314. COnSiderin ir the Report of the Coue•-,. l'ottp e l , e n u e i • - tivil,. g e s on tTse - Bortlavvick ,Peerage %vas h e t ,ti till Tuesday. next. li. .:._ `kill s, a `,gle awl.. Hope Insurance „ rif CoiliPits i r „ al l '` t he, Fast S m i t hfi e ld Bill, WCre broughi, h q th e c ol b 7 S' • .1 Nt Ls SilAw, and le t i ,.. 1 1111Q1IS ) Sir A. ll ie . i w beri. ) rear .Insurance _lnsurance Coutparty'f,_ .. 4i1 . 1 I,iras . tt O h : ~ ':,'Y Mt, W. Small , and sevF.E,d, privitc kir,p: 411%,1418 1 - 11NG'1'01,1, - Sir J. .k'I'LI. , ,Y,' - Blld' "enI *NDL4 T.. • ' ' , . . .. , L .441 ObEt L presented a Message froth , th e ~i i, o f , . tt l ii is , i , "' 61111 11014, requesting Lordships', i ) 1 1 for Baron Redesdalc to be esainined 1,, M e e , . sti ll , otronittee. of the.Conniunis, uptio th• - ..i.- tli„ ~I )f the Six Cle'rks of the Court Chan • 'reta il { it,. t • , . t 4 ,14 ~ 4.411011 interval, the Meisengers of the '4, ( e ll 'l l s were calied to the Bar, agaio, when fli t tIRD CBANCHLLoR .( who had in the mean 11 '4, 11 ", b " il l •4_-"m" ion tt) :their 1,3 1 ordship) in 1 ormett ! t at, ntle men that. the, 1 - I';use had granted lt.tve ; toy 'k IC'' It etleilale Si) . to attend, if he should im3lll EliskaN I PY Uf c -: ' lll '''Ve(l for the production of. a et uti , m. , Circa(.; ‘ . itnitet, of the Court 01- Gast In- tit)) , telativ e (• . , A . II i s Lbia to t h, ktior , , . 4 '. ‘%e wino • .)toot 1 .. 'totem wh, ch . I "! Me. Grant to that Coast i a ~I important ~ 0. observed, would thr.ow . sum° I ". ''"(; whi e h l . : l l , l i t ti ".ll the subject.w-Whigh . it fslereo aceordi wri le qaestion, 'being : iiut, WaS ealti 6,,, i lts:ofB' r ,,, P u r it e ,i rte i d a Petition. from the Luba . kWvll, j o ti ‘ a . al itti Bishop's Wearmouth . and pr0p,„,,,,,,,,... ,€.!'"iillty of.llorhana,, in layout' of pv et i li t! r ' . .,'" 1 01 Christian Knowledge . in India. 11 ', his 8 L ' o ll r e ( 1 1 1 81 :; 1 0 1 , : b bi serve lf pursued by propee t,,,, . ~.111,„......„ • 4 ', 1 , 1 1 4 ) tilt -1,;-.1;:„°1),1;,unr Wore: aware .there could be 'bait ~ satiestron would be aS,:to the If lne. lins sho , , eLawai c of. what the P.l.°- t 4 in 1 "Itt be, he would not pledge lulu il) re 1 Pon the Brayer i vt I . Peet t o 44 4 of)port tlle. it n Y i e e r a . ::: 4l l l i e e ' P p e. r t o it li i a t b n i e y rs . :vO a n ti ll , etaii „, unity of expressing his senments 'il t , ' 1 he , 1)..,• • - -ottun was ordered:tO lienOn the L' hl 4, t(I W A ', 4 • 4 (4f prities,rlfGll;AM reported froth the , Cornotit , • i 0, 1 1,.. ts,.,.tnat'llte -Martinis Of Sligo liad e 1ik,:..,, ~','s tight- to ..'yote foe the Election of a • pi, ti :: reCr of Ireland. l l ' 111,i,',', e casioni,of the first reading of the NOr irri it tri lic httrance,l3il I, as a bove,. "' he •st) ,. \ LE observed, there were ,severa l h9 11 4d Nerst - 1 : of • ' 'I. r nature, 'Which t NI. , ~ ow , a . Stint !II tiitYWer svoL.erloill. attention of the - House ; as t i , iiiti4 i , irauted,, with respect to their ohjects, ! , ‘, ll ktiemtilds would, in ease-Of an it)toilt et,KY 0. ti , s ' lose die s• • I ti'. • ti) which they other- 1 , o t th i , , .st... )ene ~?. they „ other- t kl btt (4"e entitled. - . . •, . ' v,'llit t ces brokerage. Rill passed through a.. '4 orthe who' • House, and. was reported, 11 Any ' - 1- kc , it t . ~ iiineiinierit.. ft Nal • • - tit,. 'llir, "'lig Bills upon order: chiefly private, ' 41 10 1 : 1 1 1h r ; 1) e e . ti vel y for warded , aft er ' Which ‘l) 3 attiournetl till tovlitarrovV. . to I spl .teoe(l' H OUSE, ( . ),V C(E\I ‘1() \IS. i TENVSDAY MAY 13* 1 il li etlt - , ' ' : 1 4 t :',. ' 4eric4 n Prizes Bill weut throe 11 a Corp-' J i k. 4 , .ti0, ! 10,,, tun Was presented troiri Cardigan. ini t n,Y,-rt It, t lir) , • be made to th,e 0- ~i, C „l l7 " nee ssi"s 4na Y .. • . e'red - it L -44 , ,•-•ics, as th e petitioners cpite-1 ' 1 ) t t i . l ' la nger the Constitution.., Ordered - to tie . ie tahi, t. , k i% .1. 1 4 1 14 k EY, in the iihsenbe of 11's 11°11.F.r!end'. I.k vii,,, l 'ton, po3tponed the notice , r i elati: i, e e t n o itui,kletof tile war - inAurerica to the its,t, P , t. th e i t , - ‘,'"eitk after next. f,i'"2‘iiiti (.1." ,c 110013.1341 was ordered to be read a tcleliti‘tlillle..'t'eti(u)':-1 l i t il i g H t l ili Y i di n ext. ' Bill Went throu gh re ! 94114itt v'v,PrO finlutt and ,„, 441, , it I '" 11" i t r was ordered to be :nlleitir - — otirev at i ee rim was committed for it 1;7 n ext. ' , ittgtilli,b,4ntlll'e Subscription through Bill went e : 1 %414' 4 'te, Alld. Trio' report 'was 'ordered to b. D to. • • 1 4 ' 1 11 4 ;, . Plorrow. Ist ,''fl "iv I se 'went into a Committee on tbeCon .•-,4lite (?ttl'ln'6'Sugar iiill. cc ) ... AN 9 . - • F , liatj. sa id, that ,tt, ,i iielpi ene . t u;:i . )ll Ot the , Act...) ,ER.1..1 ‘,.,....w 41ta„, 1 , 1 , , t the high price ,at Wl ► l I '."",,'„ q4 s , ; II ‘Le nuirket, h e cle . eined it expeditilt t)., 11 the fi '4.9 ltesoiatiolis in the , Coipmittee. -11,,,, rst4( /. i . ilaii,eiy,.thaL 1-. 0 h0., t •,, e!o utlon wing pu t , ~ . I .. , 'ititt.t,,,, -,`"li'iliiiriiie, (;iracialoupe, auiiiiien-tit • 'Pyii:zTt'xill:_e,tidatittelf hap boale` ~ atitittional duty of Os., per cwt: co tiNumption, ,• , . • , , .. Iktt4 said, that Whatever ohjectiOn be inny 14W.4tOthe principle Of the' resoldtion, hL .vi , ould not prevent its being carried into effect in Elie pre ,sent.initance. , he r.esolution Wassagreed to. •Th&SeCondßesOlution Was; that an a&litional dikty.of 12s. Cub per cwt. be iniposed upon clayed sugar!, , • - Mr. MAnairivi! opposed the resolution, as posing too high an additional deity. Mr.-BARIUM supported it. After a few,obsei rations fromthe CHANCELLOR of the. RIOHEQUEEt W.-PUNDASy•the resu lutio;i Was put and carried. • Lord MILTON presented a number of Petitions from Leeds and other pfaces,,prqing; that lathe event of the renewal of the Company's Charter; provision" Haight be. made for the introduction' of the Christian religion into 'lndia. They were or dered to lie upon the table. Various other Petitions to the same effect were presented, Ind ordered to lie upon the table. , • Mr, avv is Gin.DY , moved fist. leave :to - bring' in a Bill for:procuring relurns, of all.persotis com mitted:for trial and convicted, in the 'different Gaols of Enaland and •Wale,S,.and fp r ,i,akiiig away from the Clerks of Assize, and Clerks . of the Peace fees received by them . upon ~and. for making compensation fur :the same.-,- Leave given. ThellepoFt of the Prisoners 'Relief' Bill w s ordered'to be taken into - further consideration on Monday next. . ,• . . • .. The:l-louse will, 'on this day Selmight, solve itself into a..Cominittee' on •the Irish h ides Bill. The House .on. .next, go into a Conunkttee on- the Ship-Owners WHO Bill. CALL OF 71-IF., Mr. RYDER eipreSsod his deterininatiiko of persi•ting, in the call• of the' House that stood for Monday next. A$ it was likely the Ilouse would. go at Coininittee on the Bill respecting the, Catliiilics now, before tbem, it was neeess...try.. that therc should be as . full an attendance as pos- . Bible'; he *would therefoiep . ropose, dna the order, ibould. be continued until the fate of the Bill was deg cl ietermineo. ;Sir joit . &• Cr)).. HIPPIALY aiirf, , thatithontrh the nsotion 'he' Made. on Tuesdaylast was not. agreed to, Jte insist -still perscVere in • Isis intention of• . moving fnr . stime cit the' , ,ilottiments thist w,cre the object :Of that motion.. The. Hon. BarOnet then moved for ii'Variety of papers,,ind ;iniong the rest, for , a r eopy:.of . the .commun;cation addres'sed by •:Getieral.§tewart tii` . l4ord Castlereagh.,- , teintive, to theputrd's •:inspiised ;in Pottugsil on thepower of the Lord CAS . TLIEREAGII said, that the production of that. cOnstnunication May he attended with in couyenience. Sir.] C. Hi PP ISLEY said, that,he did not move for the papers ‘Vith a view of throwing any obstacle.,. in the way of the tie -would not o ppose the second rvadink.of'it.. His ' intention Was-. to prOptiSe some tits' . ainen(hu when it' was brought before the ComMittee. lid would„ however, let the, notice he halt given that night stantl... • CATOOLIC CLMMS. • Mr. GRATTAN moved the Order, of. the for thesecOnd reading of the Bill for relievitx his Majesty's Roman Catholic sobjects. OrOhe ques tion being put from the'Chair that the Bill be now • 1 read a .second time, Dr. DUItiENAN, rose. This vaS a Bill, he said, which, far frOin being what it purported to be, to Bill for relieving the Roman Catholics, %% is in fact and .in truth u 13111 for the restorabion .of the . Roman Catholic religion. and the suprem:icy of the- Pope .in these realms. A Petition kid upon the tab)e ,itself the Petition.of • the Pro testauts of Ireland, prayed the unconditional re peal of "all laws affecting the It (»min C.athulici, ,That Petition . could - ,not with'truth b&called the Petitkin of the Protestants .of 'The tubscribed to it did notliltogtther amount to 4000, of which .the•ntune , .of lilover of the ,Bill (Mr. Grattan), third .or fourth. The names';'whatever boast.may ltc made.of their length, ..wire trot more trifling in nenther thati„ with a very few exce.ptions, they were in resp..‘cta bility It was not the Petition of tits . .Pro. testants of Ireland. lele lot - Paced over it with,some attention, and found upou ealeitlation ,that.it 'did not contain more than three loindred names of.; tinY..nbte.., The rest was, a collection o.9bsC lire .sigoatures . , unknown, to tny persoiOnit them-, selves. and their.ussnciates, of revolutionary ractets: who had lahpured .for ,the .rnitt of 'their country, untl 'tutfortuii-ttely escaped from ~ e xecation ; men , among whom he r ! t,retted, aud m.ns ashamed to observe the very few respectable ,perqtw who signed the Pvtition. This bill had neither more nor 1C:46 view than the scheme. :ptir*ned by Jatnes .thg Second., It was supported, .40, by tine very same argtowntS. I.3efore he sat clowo, hi u:Ould demonstrate', that • the coneilia- Voa which the Bill was ocreted to pmlocc, for aver emanate! improctiCable „ r that, it must continue ; .impracticable• fi'Orn the principles pro- , 'fessed tit present, and always 'by the Catholics theinSetves; .In the piirsuit . of a scheme . , m : not .at all differing that now in contempla- Jaes the ,s'econd Ipst his crown. , His -Protestant- subjects weie then donvAlced that it wotild be - ruiuotts to the Constitution-f, and if, from a .conviction of , the injustice 'of such a . scheme, they elcprived stun. of his crown,.. how .iould the, schetne he now:a just one ?. ,by time passing: of this Bill, .it was .deelared a jtist one, the House should seriously con Sider how. such a declaration would militate., against ",the .pi•esent • succession, and subvert at .once all'the principles of the revOlution. he tenet:s of the Catholics to nvhich he Aided, 'and iu 1 ; "wad ren-, deredcoueiliation with, the Catholics impossible,. seemed to be very little Understood by a greo. .part sit the House. .the hostility . of those, tenets to. all_ friendly connection with - ProlestAnts,' he , 'should shew to exist. They iuculeated the doe trine, that 'Heretics .were to be exterminated ..by all possihle.mcans in the power of.the Caloholie and it *ea only from impotence that such tenets itere. pot carried into efiee:. - Their impotence was the only security that Protestants had: Those tenets, whatever others ally pretend ltl argument, xvk re as unchangeable as' the: Itoinitn Catholic ivould 'offer suni.!ient proof: )ntan ( t :; : t 11 . ! Li t .c h l e t iirts.clut'neTal bleness. lies held the Church bC jufallibie. .• , Church held that the decrees of Councils were as upon conscience AS . the Scriptures—the, tenets•to• which he alluded were tci be found in ilmose., decrees. The consequence was clear with- . out-any further . reagorming. They,-.not only held the decree of councils to be binding, but the pre sent ,Professor of Theology at Alaynooth main taint:4 and taught, that the decrees of the. PoPe,. when tiatdissented s from by the Bishops, were as binding as the decrees of a Council, 'They must resort to the 'Councils to see what the nature of some of those decrees was. The Council of Lateran, which decreed that no faith was to he . kept with heretics; was held In 1215., It worts said 'that these decrees were become obsolete through age,' Christianity - &mid not be abrogated bytime, and th'ose decrees tvereheld to he as iminOvable as Christianity itself. The Professor at 'Marmot!' maintained,' that the decisions of -this Council were as binding as' the Scriptures thernselves.,J -There was no: reason to say that those decrees were' antiquated, when the7Roman . -Catholic Di-, vines thearsele6,still triaintaitied them. (Here the Learned Doctor read. some of .the decrees. de claring that heretics were nor sidmhi Bible - to any plate, that they were intapable.of giving testimo :ny; ittc.). It was true, indeed,' that those decrees were not now put in execution, but; this proeeed ed from-the inability ofthe Catholicrso to do.-- The bath taken by all Roman Catitaliel3ishop . s. led to the'same effect.. It rendered , conciliation T -impossmele. 'I, hey sw ore to pro ote r and even :tug , mentthe 'authorit y -of the Pope. Dr. Troy indeed said that a part-of this trith was-withdrawn at the . desire Of the Empress of Oussia, He did not know whether sirclOrasthe case:' The assertion rested.: on the authorititir Dr. 'l'ron, - Tiwe was air. Oath . also taken by every Prietift when-he got a parish, ~ in which he swine 'obedience to ,the See qf. Rome-, and to the deereeS of- General ,COnneoi, thematized all heretics Whom' the Church had an -I.,ithetnatized. , This wa§ the' doctrine ,elf that church ,:ciut a which t: ere was ni.isalcation. No stront;cr oath of rilyaltylo the Pope than, this could he :devised by, human ingenuity. ,TheiConn • eil of'COnStimnce caurC ne't'. , washelti about,_ hundred ye ars'after the Itirmnfr„ , lksftlecreesweie also' roaintained .48'4Till'ding: , hrtimi& same --Profes4or. at .illimytiooth.' This Council . ;declared lobieltJass -an,(l, , jorom - e of, Pt:10_01e heretic 4;.. Tuqi.;.had -t tie protection oftfie Emperor Sigisiound hot.it drecedd,tilat 1111 oaths and ~ promises. here' tfics Avercimli : and vOid, as telitling to , the pretu-,1 'knee of the:Church; the protection .6.1 time ,-Ernpe- For went for nuthilig. :Tho Omiottit nl,.l3mtalel was: the next: - It lasted to the year 1563,4nd, its de crees *ere admitted as well,as,ihe r , .<st. Time Conn-: cil of- . Trent teas a Corripiltn'dium Hof all*that Went before.. It'poniirmed ell ':friririer decrees. .The , 'cons l irinence of the liroce*dings of the Conneil C.!oesttince .was`,.. - thAt,Joi;rn floss, even' in the pre sence Of the Empkimr' him4elf, , whoseprotection he had; was linvfmed—burned alive; an-d. et' the Professor at Malitinoth took pains_to prela obe— dience to time decrees of this Council.- There W-s: -an establishment far whichhthey 'annually - voteth. the supplied'' by which it' waS ntaintained, .thoseconnii - ted with it retnAed to take.lht : .% Sotantaley', ee quired by their own Government and acknowledged the Stip Nutley •• of a tore!gn po teutate„ If, all the o.itholieF, f oked - Were..granted • to-morrow, they would still : refuse to tit4..this, ,ciatlt. supremacy of the 1 3 ope.was a Ammer Of faith, And.therefore - they Would take no oath which.went is dy-ny that. In -other thatters'they. woald ; pke•,oaths, ,without holding themselves , bourad''tofnifil the engagements thus contracted for otheroitths, - necording to 'Dr. Troy, and all tlicir Other , theologians, were aot biotting, , an- , cordiri, to ti'e threes of the Chureli, which• Were. unchaneable. lie had already exposed-the. folly of supposing thesedecrees were abrogated'hecause they-were ancient, or otei.olete,,as they had been • called. Tbey'inight as well say time law of our e umv i outrmi s o b,,l e te, and no moreattended to, as 'contendthat heeau4e these decreei were old - they were hot considered as • binding. lf' these were ' held to be-abrogated-because tWelvehnndremi , years. had pass.ed since they weee issuer), it might:with , erp.eml reason he conteivled . tliat ate law of. our,Sa viour.was .milso :abrogated, as that was so .much Tbv'Ciitliptic Rishops: wire.slavefo'to tite fiope„a.S. 'the atholic eler , v•was to thetn,, and in, .Catholic ctanitrre i s the lower classes were stares to the... Clergy, , Poke himself' Was the .slitve of Bnermaparte. 13uonaparte had made him, subservient to all his.wishcs. He-laid got him to, evoWn , h im lied -to deelare that na.foreign . I.3iSh op should have poiv - er . in his dominions. Respecting these, the latiguage - of Buono:parte was,- . "that. they' had employed thcir . spitituni:iofinence iar jure him; and that it had beeu demonstrated to . him tthe Learned 'Dikter begged- the flortie to attend this); tlaklie etereise'Orsuth power-as they had ,pos4essed in' his:dominions-wet, incontist-. cat with the interests.and,,independenee of Francc, rand thesafetyend dignity of lies throne." Thialtad been the pint - not:ea Butmaparte ; 'he had: ref Used '.t•o- stain foreign ' influence in , Vranee;. and' had had obligedthe 'Pope t 6: reside there, and wetild not suffer him to stir out of his dominions. -L-The Learned Doetor then proceeded.' severely to eeti, sure the liiil and asserted-it was of More cause titmice-to Buonaparteto get this-act passed than to ohtaiu twenty continental decrees. By means actot • this lsii;r h n e zyt n i m e ) i, rivgl?mt in tins co d could i the BiShopt,'oter whom. lie - had great power ; .the Ilishc+s :named .the Clergy, with whom they could do what they pleased - ,- and the cicrgY had boundless influence over the i People "d , in diet, migit'Abe'said.to govern timn,. now e:Mett upon , thc Hot:lse:to see what . parte had done. H e h a d not only got time n omi nation of time Bishops into his own.po,wer, but he had prohibited' the Bishops from nominating a. single Priest; without the approbation of time Pre• feet of theprovinee. Yet while this tv i t tione. ill France, e Catholic conotry, here all restrictions ii'ete to be removed, and Catholics were to be ad nutted to the highest ()dices of the ,-;tate. Jte wished the House to look what had been the Coti duet of those who were, to be thus favoured here in other countries. Thev arouses not tolerate the Protestant „religion wherei they hail power. F or proof of this:they-trio) only to look at the first ar ticle.Of the'neW 'Constitution Of Spain, where it WWI enacted that the -Catholic religion should be the religion of that country, and no falter religitrn should lie tolerated. Another proOl of this rite litres• lately .met ,a work whieh he , had read,. wherein it was.stated, that linootiptrte had pro,. ;," posed to the Pope, that all I:eligions shottlil, be. lerated' and freely exercised in France. What had been the answer of the Pope- 7 —of the preent , ` ' Pope) The proposition is ,as .violently .rejected, as beitng Contilo'y to 'the Canons of the R m . Churcl:, and as being libely to: lead. to, the • - most cOliSeonences. The night H 0:"... Gentleman who had arnu,,ed the Htinse sb much " s . .on a former evening, had certainly displayed much wit. : and hamour,' but he (i)r. Pitigenln) could tint think this was a -laoghing matter. To him it 'appeared, a most serious question, affecting 'us it did the Constitution olthe country, as it 115 d been since the year 1558, the first year of 'Elizabeth, is . • ben, the. Oath of- supremacy Wns enacted, which afterwards in the lith of Elizabeth, every nigh was obliged to.take bylaw . before he .could _sit in Parliament. The Right Hon. Gentleman had stated it to have been the intention of Mr. Pitt to,do something- in favour of th'e Catholies.; but front Mr.-Pitt's own words (which he quoted) • it was,clear he bad no intention of athnitting Ca- `, tholies to places of -trust and power: ',After this,.; how, the liight, 'Hon,. Gentleman (Mr. Canning): could, think , the clauses he had ',proposed finntied . on an.y thing that Mr. Pitt vvould have eounte traneed„ .he (Dr. ri,) did ,nitt know. He con, tended ..I.lr.'Pitt had never given such instructions to Lord Cornwallis respecting ,the Catholics, as heliad. been stated to have given. He himself Ira d heard Mr. Pitt Intving given Such, t a unt he' (Pr: rtatigenttO, :was Knisfied he tests too t•reat ai - Minister to dbso, or think pla6ing' kuown.. enemies ,to,thestate, in places of trot and loaves'. ' T hisryas contrary to the whole conduct of lds life, mot *rich Stateipents were prejudieial to' the , ehawter of ttrat renowned St;ite.stmin lie wish eeltolnow.what-ciudd be the great 14rievitnees of , wltich ,the Catholics hail to complain just ats,this that : tht-y should p,,)lisrit manifeSto 'like that which they, hail just ~eat forth to' the- wOrlti, in kyhielt a Noble 1,,0rt1, the Judges (onc - except ;cad other distingnished:,persons:, uPete treateit s it ith the most virtilent This publication 610 co.utained mcnuces which, but for the.coan tenanca;they had lately met with in this House, the, ,Catholi,cs, would not have dared to . have thrown out.-,:But for this countenahre irad Sup- • port, they hfohld not have dared to act as they Irad.' acted ; , ktiowiog their own, impotence, they would have been un:re cautious ; ktniwirtg that it took the Pt•ntestants, but orie mOntli in 1798; to ontAltern completely down, and knowing . that • the Protestants were, ready again 'to put tbetn , down in the ,same manner,. I. , ,very thetnis hail been resorted to, to swell the importance 'of the Ca-. Their numbers had beini,gretitly- exage-,' geratecl, and the Ili - Amp had been repeAtedly. 'told of the sorrows of five millions o f their stidering •brethren. The Whole_ .populatlon of Ireland did nut exceed fonr millions of 'Fersonk, and it iv,is 'admitted by the Catholics theinselvethat there 80:000 .Protes tants.' It' ,had: 'been stated • tliat.the Established Church cost the country' an !wally 20,000,0001. The whole income Of thepita. 'blibbed Church, it tkppeayed, on a careful calditl;l - exceed ,382,0001. ex a ggee m e a statement of expense, of 'the Establishetl Chureb,..was•like, the r vain boastini..!,-of their num , bets, In some parts Of their 'late publications they represented themselves tri be in a "I..tate at' • depres,sion' and !extreme poverty, yet in others, they ilO de ai most,.magnitieent display of their numbers,'their _wealth, awl their, power, with as much regard to , . truth as was . observed in their twenty millions church expense story. lii the same: spirit they had represented the income of the Board of ,Virst 'Fruits to amount , yearly , to .40,000 i. He. was hiniself a niember of the Board of 'first Fruits, and could 'take upon ' 4inisclf to say, 'that it had never,yet.exceetled4oo/',7' per annuto mentioned these, things- to shew the rhonstrout falsehoods_ they were capable of sending forth to,the'world. It was said the' Ca tholics were fighting,, our battles. He ajmitted that Wt. , :had Irish .troops in our armies. The life of a- cOtuniOn jsoldier wi - of so mucheasier than that which ti airy of ,the Irish had been, accustomed to lead, that it was.io,rain their. Priests tried to,tlis4 shade them from , entering into- ; the army..; Ins spite of them they , ,would ; mitwith• • standing that had been said of the advantages Which. the anion of ,the (.;ati s tolicS, and Protestants would give in adding to our force, fie was corifident' s the passing of this Bill would not cause one than more to enter the army hint(' been, said, that nearlyhalfour military:force - WAS . e.01;i• ,Of Irishmen, , He would assert, they did `not fortn more than one-eighth part.of it. -Tit speaking- of•tbe Irish. , in.the service, it wag a ' non practice WA.3trffle that .ev;!ry frishmen most be a Catholic. 'o'l:* the natives, .or:lreland nom in our armies, &c. half of them were Protest. , ants :, the argument that the present n,Djeet situa tion of the Pope must preclude' all apprehension . was finite ; he was,nev r fOrthhhible.from his tem poral power, but from his influetiqe over the minds of the people, and at present being the' slave cit. Buonaparte, his ,influense was more to be tlreadetl than ever. He would now, if the prayer of the Catholics was ,granted, have to decide on the le gitimacy of children, on the claims of -Catholics to estates, to settle disputed titles, And this alone, -•would give bin' great influence among thew. lie coiner not approve oftbli Bill. Ile could not cf..l-1- sent to repeal the Ist anti sth of Elizahtlh, 11043 Acts of Uniformity and the Test and Acta,. The 'P, titions in i l ls - our tat-oli t cs had been signed by all those wIR 4 fim" l " l .'!' it t h e " 0 conotr,es should be separated; l'hey .‘‘ i t no t t o b e vs peeted they would .try to do that a „hid, t h e ,y h a d attempted in the'reign James • 1 1 ";: v i s 'e e t : i e t: i t. t ot . t U o i tt:' 1 1 t hs t e nt h i: c 1; ?; ve t 11(11111‘'fi'lritS“ :; i ' lieli4et41i l ielsi'( ; I: H. to sep,trate the two countries.? lit less than twenty vears, if the 'Bill ptissed, that wronld be c,,nduct of the Catholics had been Such, that instead of giving what they did not at' a tries t. Li t :: 4 1 4 1 1 . !::r 1 ' l 'i ll ‘r: e ist(l'' : ( v: l o vY - 14; % 1 1, ' f et tl► With the pledge g iven in. the Cotonai ion atth . ,. the Sovereign give his assent to this Dial They , all knew whathati-beett the feelhor of rite , I}ttagl oti t.hi Nnbject ; and how could are 4.1 P