The Sun. — London, England, 1802-12-04 00:00:00

LAIPERML PARLIAMENT HOUSE OF PEERS. FRIDAY I pEC. 3. COLINET, were heard in continuation relative to the Scotch Appeal, Thomas Graham, Esq. v. Isobel and Ann Henderson, namely, Mr. ROMILLY a 3 .• . Second Counsel for'the Appellants, and the ATTQR wry GE NEkAL as Leading Counsel for the Respon -1 • dents.—After which their Lordships. deferred the further hearing till Monday. Some routine business was di posed of. The Earl n/ MOIRA stated, that in pursuance of the notice he had given towards the close of last Session, 'he rose to bring forward a propo;;ition, 'which had for its objet the amelioration of the ex isting Laws of Debtor and Creditor, The subject was of that nature, and tinfortquately not a novel one to the attention of their Lordships, as tendered it unnecessary' for him to trouble them in any detail upon it. In the present instance it seemed to he the Noble Earl's wish, merely to present the Bill for a ,first reading, in order that it might lie over for- ionic time for the particular and deliberate consideration of their Lordships, He then pre sented the Bill, which was jntituled, c‘ An lor the more effeaual Prevention of 'frivolous and vexatious Arrests, and for the 'Relief of Persons imprisoned on Mesne Process." The Bill was accordingly received, read a firSt limo!, ;And ordered to be printed. The Noble Earl then observed, that in order to follow up the measure he had just proposed, and to r e ntitr it more efficacious, he conceived it would be proper to adopt the legal provision which was nn a former occasion before the House. The second Bin which he had to propose to their Lordships., was a transcript of that which was before the House last Session. This Bill he also wished to have printed, and we understood his Lordship to refer to some differences of opinion which had arisen in the Courts below, respeaing the construaion of the Ad he alluded to; and which, on mature con sideratiOnp may be settled in the present instance. He then presented the Bill, which was entitule4 an AR for the " Relief of certain Insolvent Debtors." The Bill was forthwith read a 4rst time s and dered to be printed. The Ea!' of Mot 6A addresse'd the House a third time, relative to a point conneeted with the fore going general subjea. He observed, that an erro neous supposition had, by some means, gone abroait relative to an intention, on his part, to come forward with a pro p osition respecting Bankrupts. Such an ;ntention, however, was not entertained by him, and the mistake had caused him some trouble, as it had brought upon him a very eutensive Correspon dence indeed. The Order of the Day was then read:, (upon which their Lordships were summoned), for taking into consideration the temporary Order of the last Session, the effea of which is, that Petitioners for 'Naturalization Bills shall accompany their applica ;ions with Certiscates from the Secretary of State's Offize, respeting their residence, good behaviour, and compliance with the Provisions of the Alien I,d, 4c. The Order being then read, it was passed nem. 4.5.--Ordered, on the Motion of Lord Witt.st NG .IM, that the Regulation in question 4e added to the Standing Orders of that House. - The Earl of MOIRA, in pursuance of his notice on? former evening, rose to bring forward his Mo tion relative to the recent important transadions in .the Carnatie.—He repeated, that since he had ori -ginaly given notice of his intention, circumstances bad occurred in that quarter which precluded the attainment of the objea originally in view ; the opportunities of personal restitution were passed by—the unfortunate Prince, who was principally to be affected by what he otherwise should have had to prnpose, was now beyond the reach of present calamity, and bf all future araiety- t —Alicare re zperfling him was at an end. " ICI flce Domestic—Foreign levy— " Nothing—can reach him furthr." Fate had put its seal upon their deliberations in that view. With resrest to what he should have to oberve, nothing was further from his intention, than any invidious refledion on the two Noble ;Lords whose names had frequently been mentioned in what passed in the House upon the the subjed in question. On a former occasion he had explicitly i,-Iven his opinion of their standing cleat of all re. ~ponsibility in those transaoions, tarther than the cfcessary dbedience of Orders attached to them. After adverting generally to the Parliamentary Rxgulations which had been made for, the better Government of India, he alluded ro the Establish :nent of the Board of controul, in some points of -view, as a salutary uieasure ; hut it would not be so, %lid it adopt the vices of the former systems for the cove6rnent of our lfltlit possessions. In regard ro the particular transatlions he alluded to, they did nor, he observed, originate with the Qovernor- C;enerai, nor with the Governor of Madras : the Mimic would, however, have a clearer view of the merits of the question, by seeing the Instructions :;cnt out by the Court of Diredors in 1798 and 1799. o .. is:obje . t_t in rising, was to procure the production of these Document:. He adverted to what he con. ceived to be the unwise policy of extending the British Territories in India, and which extension :11dy easily be accompanied by injustice : their Lord_ :'ups would see the counterpart of the measure he alluded to, in the recent aggressions of the French government in' Europe—however, such conduct on our parts in India, may be regarded in a still more unfavourable light. He alluded to the use which was made of it by . the French- 77 the point of view inh:ch they endeavoured to hold us out to other .I'owers ; their endeavouring to justify their aggres sions, \by what they asserted we had done in India, gnil in a great degree, making it their example.— . At the .same time, he seemed of opinion, that as cir • comstances stood, they should have very little op.. portunity of being able to do any thing of import_ ance upon the subje6t. He would however, move, •-" That there be laid before the House, Copies of all the Instrudions sent out bn the cart of, the Hon. the East India Company, fcorp the Ist of January 1797, to the tst of January 1861, from the Copt of Direaors to the Governor-General ; also to the Governor of Madras, ,relative to the assumiition of the Government, Sce. of the Carnatic." On the question being put, Lard HOB ART rose, to say. a few words on the occasion. He seemed to entertain no objection to the procluaion of the Documents moved for by the Noble Earl, but decidedly declared his opinion, that when the Arrangements made in India, allud ed to by the Noble Lord, were thoroughly consi dered and investigated, they would be found, not only consistent with sound policy and strkl justice, but to tend considerably to the welfare and happi ness of the inhabitants of the Carna tic, Lord ORENVILL observed, that as what had fallen from the Noble Earl did not in the least re flea upon the Noble Lords, of whose condo& he approved, he did not feel himself called upon to take any part in the picsent conversation. He would, however, say, that he entertained an opi nion of the Ineas.ure in question, similar to that given by the Noble Lord who spoke Int, And he would add, that whenever the transaaions alluded to, from whatever quarter they originated, were duly investigated, they would be found to consist, not only with true policy and justice, but essentially to contribute to the welfare of those to be affeCted by them. The Question was put, and . the Documents or dered to be laid before the House accordingly-, After which an' Adjournment, till Monday, took place. 110 USE OF COMMONS, FRIDAY, DEc. 3. TI;E Report of the Committee appointed to in quire into the Petition for a new Burying-ground for the Parish of St. Giles in the Fields, was brought up, agreed to, and a Bill ordered to be brought in upon it. A Petition was presented on behalf of John Macnarnara, Esq. one of the late candidates for Radnorshire, complaining of an undue Eleftion. Ordered to be taken into consideration on Tuesday -the z9th of March; and a Petition complaining of an undue Election for Kingston-upon-Hull, on Thursday the 3 tst of March. Some Public Accounts were presented, and or dered to lie on the Table. Mr. CoRRy brought up the Bill for the Enrol ment of the Irish Militia, which was read a first time, and ordered to be read a second time or. Monday. Mr. CORRY said, he had given notice of his in. tention to propose another Militia Bill, for the pur pose of assimilating, as far as possible, the Mili tia Laws of Ireland with those of England. He wished now to renew that notice, and to state, that it was his intention to take an early day next week, for the purpose of proposing a complete Militia system fur Ireland. The mode of proceeding which he intended to adopt, with the permission of the House, was this, viz, to propose that the Bill should be read a first and second time, and then committed, pro forma, in order to fill up the blanks. He should then propose that no further proceeding should be had upon the Bill until after the Recess, by which time the House would be able to consider the subject maturely. Mr. Poo LE brought up the Estimates of the Ord nance Service for the ensuing year, for Great Britain and Ireland.—Ordered to lie on the Table. Mr. PoonE gave notice, that he should propose to vote Ordnance Estimates in the Committee of Supply on Wednesday next. Mr. VANSITTART rose to move for leave to bring in a Bill, which, he said, it was unnecessary to preface with any observations, as it was the An nual Indemnity Bill, which he meant to move for. —Leave was given to bring in the Bill. The Order of the Day was then read for the House to resolve itself into a COMMITTEE OF WAYS AND MEANS. The House having- 'resolved itself into the said Committee, • The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, he rose to move the Resolutions of which he had given notice yesterday, viz. for the annual Duties upon Malt, Mum, Cyder, Perry, Tobacco, and Sugar. He also meant to propose the Duties upon what remained of the Land Tax, and upon Pen sions, &c. Ifit should be the pleasure of the House to agree to these Resolutions, he should afterwards propose a Resolution for the issue of five millions of Exchequer Bills. With regard to the former Re solutions, he supposed they would not be objected to, as they were the usual annual Votes. With respect to the one he had last mentioned, he would submit a few observations to the Committee before it was proposed. The Duties upon Malt, Mum, Cyder, Perry, To bacco, Sugar, Laud, and Pensions were then voted. The CHANC EL LOR of the EXCITEQUER then rose. He said it was unnecessary tor him to state to the Committee the advantages which resulted from keeping in circulation, a certain number of Exchequer Bills. The only point %Aida required at. tention was, that the Supply of Exchequer Bills should be regulated by the convenience of Public Service, and the state of the Money Market. The quantity in circulation had accordingly varied, at different times, and under different circumstances. Previous to the commencement of the late war, the sum in circulation was 7,4.78,0001. In the com mencement of tBO2, the amount of circulation was 29,000,0001.; since then, a considerable reduc tion in the amount of the Exchequer Bills had taken place ; and at the moment he was speak. ing,. the amount of those in circulation was about sis,coo,cool. In the sum he had mentioned was comprised the 5,500,0001. Exchequer Bills fund ed by an ACt of List Sessions, and also those of which an account had been laid upon the Table. In '1793, previous to the commencement of the War, the Navy Debt amounted to 3,344,3971: in 18oz, to 7, i iO,BSoI. to which night be added 1., r 78,0001, being the amount of what was paid by advance out of the Supplies of 180 z ; making togethei• above 8,600,0031. At present the Navy Debt might be stated at about 4,500,0001. so that the Navy - Debt, had been teduced nearly one.hAlf since last year ; and with regard -to the Unfuldcti 1. - ):'br ) • it bad been relueed above 18,000,0001. In stating the amount of he Exchequer Bills at i 5,000,0001. he comprised those Exchequer Bills which Were in the possession of the Bank, and which were to be repaid by the Instalments of the Duties upon Malt &c. as they came in, and therefore they could not be considered as being in the market ; taking out, therefore, the amount of the Exchequer Bills in the possession the Bank, which amount to 900,0001. there would remain 14,100,0301. In this sum were to be comprised the Exchequer Bills not in circulation, viz. 3,000,0001. which would not.bc payable till t 806, taken by the Bank in consequence of the renewal of their Charter, and also ,z,980,0001. charged on. the aids of t Sot. There was also a sum of 1,500,0001. of additional Exchequer Bills to sup piy the chasm that would be created by taking out of the market the Exchequer Bills bearing an interest of 31d. per day. That the Market would bear the ad ditional issue of five millions of Exchequer Bills, there could be - no doubt, because they were now at a premium ; but there was another infallible crite rion by which the Committee might judge upon the subjed, viz. that although by the plan adopted, some years ago, persons were allowed to pay in Exchequer Bills for their Taxes, Duties, &c. yet a very small proportion had been paid in Ex- Chequer Bills, which was a plain proof that the de mand for them was great. Another proof was, that there was now a greater demand for them than could be issued, from the residue that remained in the Exchequer. He begged leave, before he sat down, to give notice of his intention, on this day seennight to enter into a statement of the financial circumstances of the COT) try, as far as they could be at present stated. He coecluded with moving that a sum not exceeding five millions be raieed by Loans on Exchequer Bills.—Agreed. The Report was ordered to he received-on Mon day. General GAscovr;tti presented a Petition from the Merchants of Liverpool, against the Ad impos ing a Duty upon Tonnage. The Petition having been read, General ge.scoTTNE moved, that it shott l ,4 lie on the Table. General Lek L ETON said a few words, which we did not distindly hear. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, it would be perfeCtly improper for him to enter into the discussion of the subjed at present, but he was anxious to take this opportunity of de claring that there was not a man in the House, who attached more importance to the Shipping interest than he did : They were, to use the language of the Petition, the Manufadurers of British Seamen, , and a more noble Menufadory it would be im possible for any man to be engaged in. If it could he satisfadorily proVed that the duty in question affeded them in the manner that was stated, he need not say that the proof of such a circumstance would lead to the repeal of the Tax.—Bat he was con vinced that no such effeEt was to be apprehended. All the information he had received tended to shew that those who thought that the Shipping Interest would decline with the Peace, were fortunately er. roneous in their apprehensions—He would not say that in some parts of the Country there was not a decrease in the Ships which entered inwards and cleered outwards from Particular ports. He grieved as much as the Hon. Gentleman could do at such A circumstance ; all he meant to contend was, that the Export Trade of the Country of British Ma nutadures had increased Aince the Peace ; that the number of British Ships which sailed from the Port of London had increased, and that of Foreign Ships had decreased. The Petition was ordered to lie on the Table. Mr. 3:EFFERYS said, that having presented to the House, a few days since, a Petition from the Maitsters of the City of Coventry, praying.relief from the penalties of certain Clauses in a Bill, lay ing great resttidions on their Trade, he wished to be informed, by the CHANCELLOR of the VXCH E - QU ER, Hit was his intention to fix an early day for the consideration of the Petition ; he said his mu tive for pressing the Subjed, arose from information he had received of legal proceedings for the penal ties being commenced against many of his Consti tuents, Mr. JEFFERYS added, that he did not en tertain a doubt, that every degree of attention and redress would be afforded to the case of the Penis tioners, which it would be found to merit. Mr. ADDINGTON replied, that he was to have a meeting to-morrow with several persons in the Malt Trade, and every attention would be given to the Prayer of the Petitioners. A Petition, complaining of an undue Eledion, was presented from Newcastle.—Ordered to be taken into consideration op the same day' with the former. • ,Mr. DENT presented a Petition from the Pri inecr3 confined in Lancaster Goal, praying for itliel.—Ordered to lie on the Table.—Adjourned till Monday. TO THE EDITOR OF THE SUN. SIR, 2d Dec. 1802. Mosr of the Papers have attempted to display thz..ir wit, at the expence of the Officers who chose to amuse their friends and themselves with Drama tic Performances ; nay, some have insinuated, that the Representation of Heroic Exploits, or exquisite Humour, and the reciting with energy and feeling the dignified sentiments of our immortal Bard SHAKSP EAR E. will unfit them for their Duty to their Country in, the Field of Battle I I, Sir, have had the honour to serve several years in His Majesty's Fleets, and in every Ship . I have served, theAding of Plays ills been a favourite amusement, not of the Officers alone, but also of the gallant fellows that formed their crews. These men, Sir, fought their Country's Battles bravely'; nor did I ever find, that the mei hero of the Drama, proved otherwise than a real hero in the Fight. Surely, Sir, these Gen tlemen havek, been harshly used, and most unfairly condemned ;Land 1 think there can'be little doubt, that the representation of the atlions of Henry the ';ft,, of Hotspur, &c. is quite as likely to stimu late to the performance of noble deeds, as the des_ perate courage of risking all on the cast of a die, or rilibirg the constitution by drinking to excess. I am, sir, yours, &C. To CGARrcro ND r, YTS. CAtstottts perhaps Faze cbserved, that the su-lf-- whiah be writes has berg take's up hi a place, s;:bere Ile cA l° cf Our gallaxt Sailors mu„" e : ver !nt.et with every ARRIVED. DO . French U PRICE OF STOCKS, T 1313 DAY AT TWELVE O'CLOCK. Consols shut I Owniurn so* diS c ' Ditto tot the Opening .6% THE SUN. SOLXM QUiE, 3:CS RA ,lILSCM AUDZAT LONDON, DECEMBER 4 , ISO. WE this morning received the Aloniteur of th e 3oth klic. It contains no News whatever, but th ere is a long Dissertation upon the English Cons tituti° in the form of a dialogue between an English o and a Frenchman, who is supposed to be tinder t he influence of what is termed the' Anglo-mania. 11115 article is not written in the same strain of irig 4l° that we have lately witn e s se d i n t h e Mon;teilr. ~c acknowledges the excellence of our form of Govel li ; meat, slid merely contencls that it is not calculat e for the People of 'ranee. ..! WE are enabled to assure, out Readers, as the te' suit of inquiries which we have thought it right make, and on which they may depend, that t be French Gentlemen who are supposed to be cooli4 over here, and some of whom, we helievg, are 1r ; rived, calling themselves Consuls for Commera‘fr Pvrto:es, are wholly unaccredited by our Gover n ' ment. We believe, indeed, that an applicat O that they might be so was peremptorily refuse (/ ' They are therefore no more than common French' men, whos'e Passports must secure their admiss i°ll into the Country ; but whip are subjeft to the 9' ration of the Alien Laws, and liable to be at afi l time sent away for tilal-pratc.tices. . . THE interesting Debate which took place ill t . 11 . ° House of Commons on Thursday, was wholly 11 1244 : peaed, This cannot be wondered at, , w hen it ' 4 recollected that, perhaps, no' instance ever beo /4 occurred of a discussion taking place or a Nail A f f Army Estimate on the Report, which has been O f fered to pass through the previous stages unnorif ; s a ;• A more extraordinary ground of charge boo by, any Opposition against any Government, 1 - ''" that which was $o warmly supp o rt e d on this 00 ; sion, we do not remember ; an d it was f a irly al ' justly retorted upon them from the Ministerial' of the House. It was, that the Minister, the Estimate was presented the day before, did n° tr in a set speech, state the special grounds on w hl t i c i it was recommended. How did t h e cas e ga n. • HIS MA; ESTY, in his Speech front the I s h r°Pct o strongly intimates the prop r i et y of h av i ng rcca 4i. " , 3 to new means of Severity for the Country 3 ill the Debate which took place on that occasio n ' 00 was clistinftly explained by Ministers, to me at ' cu. increase of our Naval and Military Establish oo. This was gniversally approved of, with the O cePt tier) only of Mr. Fox.--,Cin Monday a reguM r te j Eke was given, that the E s ti m at e w ould be v° on the - Wednesday ; gn Tuesday the CgANC fi se , LQR of the Excl.:Eat.; ER informed the 149° , that we had still go,ooo Sailors atig ,„ iv ployed; and on Wednesday it was formallY P oe • posed that that number should be kept up• r e e a Minister appears ia his place to answ er , so) questions that may be put to him, and to g" , ' - vo l ,explanation that might be required. Not one e ne" was said upon the subject; from which it wa" o i c , rally inferred by the House, and by the F` i "°W I that the propriety of the measure was IOC ) , 0 11 ous to admit of the possibility of a canine" t was it. Thus the proper opportunity of diseussi°o not lost, namely, in the Committee ; and lr ' st i ; le ott through any neglea on the part of , Gov ern i t he but through the general acquiescence ° House. in 6611 It will he observed that this Vote was , f ft not for an increase of numbers ; and even t we believe it has never been customary for the the nister, unless specially called upon, to state) P: 4O , first instance, any special ground for stie i l' ve :s) , tion. But we are wholly at a loss to conce :41g this disrespect to the House (as it was eall e w d) ;s , th e not as properly have been noticed on °1 wet day as on the Thursday, though even on the f co reirl day it would have appeared singul ar i as from would, th i o lo se w ev w e l ia)apvperovberdougoifit tonhethrticesuebrre It bat e the regular and usual day. It is rather-rem' that Mr. WINDHAM did not speak. o ne of e h The ATTORNEY GENERAL'S Spee c h Cd was fialC • til C the happiest.pieces of pleasantd animated that the House has ever witnessed' _----'