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ti was not anfficient to shew that he was connected with V.'uvireati; the esses of Iltaidelli sod Vilunertati were dif ferent, for se to them, it was proved they were cosset-led tore aher. He was, Rl:ergot,, of opinion the question could n.l be pet to the witness; but if hereafter it was proved, tt.at bare was any connexion between Zings and say of the are.••• tire the Bill, it +eight be putt. 'l.le Lord Chancellor asked, whether it was their Lard *li v.' opinion that the C..... c.slled in, and 1....k0 med. that it wee their Lordship.' decision that the goes. tin ! , should. not be put to the witness; which heist agreed to, the Cosset advanced to the Wu, and the Lord Chancellor thew of the decision of the House Hr. Williams then rearmed the ex 'nuncios, of the witness An.o.tie C.ti told ow yowlerday you w.•tt with Zing's front VC-Aka •, Milan I did. Dui yule return fruut Milan to Venice with Zawiga? Yes. Vote malty Joys Jul you anJ Zang* slay at %Islas ? Two J. s. Vlriat distance is Milan from Venice' About 185 you pity your ours expenses un the journey, or any nitre/ person pay them for yuii Jul out pay the fortieth 411,VilIllg• paid owy expreivws. - Had you may hostelry; that broil ;let you to Milan? Nose. Hut Zsmgs any business in his profrssiuu to Milan Nene, only Ibis obje-ct. /but do you /wean by this object *lbw Attorney General objected to the question. 1.0111 Chancellor thought the wane.. might be asked, it he know what was the object of Zings otherwise than by what lam' tuld biro. %Ir. Willuuts s3id be would put the question iu another way. Did you see Zang,' do any thing else at Milts besides to the house of Vilmaitati • He went also to look after Roberto, the broker, or t.econd manager of the theatre. List you r . with Zings, or du .on only know it from what he told you ? We went together, and found Roberto at a .-••tiee•huuse. Inn mentioned yesterday that yott Met 2 Inca comi•g out or ibe boom of Vilemarcati with • number of Napoleon• iu tug hand? You. At that tune did he wake you any otter'-- The Attorney-General objected to the question. Mr. Brough.in did not run.ider that the decision of their I •r.t.hups prevented his ex.iin tong the witness as in facts. The Lord Chancellor Mall of opiniuu that the question might nut to be put to the witni..s. Mr. Bronchial said he wi.lted, with all humility, to put a yuraiuu to thew Loidships—whether their law decision *include him from esainoung his other wituesses to Ito. point a. to facts The Lord Chancellor oh d, that it would be dangerous for their Lordships to lay down a livid ride, as to its apply ing to every witness, fur the evidence of each witness must slid um its own merits. Alt. Brougham stated, his reason for asking the question ....ohs! he did not think the evidence of his oilier wit. noses noo' bring it nearer to the 31ilaia Commission than that of the witness at the liar; for R..slelli they had not, and nu process that they could obtain %reload bring Vilmsrcati ; and as to Zangs, he might he in the green hag fur all he knew, which mole it impossible fur hiia to bring it nearer to the Milan Commiasion. The Lor4 Chancellor observed, as to the bringing further suurssrs, that must he left to the ulu‘crelson of Counsel, and he was cunvine.•d the Home COO.l not plate that dis- virtuosi in better hands than Mr. Brougham's. Mr. Brougham then said, he had no further questions to pot to the witness . . . 'flee Attorney-General declined crow-examining the a loess. The witness wan then recalled, and examined by Lord Lauderilste, when the witness stated that be saw Zanga eons, down stairs at Colonel Drown's lodgings, with his baud toll of Napoleons, does he mean to say that he had them in a bat or a purse' He had his hand thus—(Hollowing Air forad)—full, awl he has a large hand.—{A lattglt.) MO you any concern with the theatre at Pesaro I No, o''u r than that a letter was written to her Royal Highness, 'orming— %Ir. brougham objected to receiving this answer as evi d.o.er. The FACI of Laaderdale paid, that Counsel could out know ivipat the wan had been aliutit to my. %7r. Brougham mid, it had been the nnifonst practice of C to stop a witness when lu• was on the confines of p.powthing objectionable as evidence. The Hurl of Lpuiler.lale üb.erved, that wbrt bad bee, "A was no alltlier to Isis question. 'the gliestioa was therefore repeated. The witness an swered, I The Esrl of Darnley asked whether 70111111 was ever in the errsice of her Royal Highness r Ido nut know. The •iuuw then withdrew, and, idler a short pause, Dunsinichin &leaders. was celled awl swore. Mr. Smoglama here remarked, that nearly all the rest of the evidence orbirh Is • hail to produce was liable to the rains loon inken he their I..orilslupo to preceding part• o f it. 11.,vr• vet, there w. re nor or two .1604.41 PS vet behind who li.••ie within the exc. ption laid down by their Lordships. Fln. *aliens was tiro examined by MS. 11S11111 What country are yun of ; Treviso What 11111111111,11 tif you follow lam professor of liters _ tLne. tif w l c a I sesii se s Italian and Latin. IVhere does he I.ve ? At Laurens'. in Switeellaud. Was be al Merges in 1/eiresither, 1818 via. Does he know Sacchi Yes. Hid he see him ai that place in Near 1814' Vv., 1 saw him there during that year, in Disaember. Did Ssechi Auld any ronvenuition with yea on Slip subject of the proireedings against her Royal Hithisess? He Mil. Did be give any counsel to the witness on Shit subject, or make any application In him therrusi!— The Attorney-Grneral objected hi the question, no the 'found that it did not arise not of She crins-exatniustiun of Sacthi, no question having been put in:spitting a cunt-in:a lign between him and this witness. itlr. D►nman said, that 11wre was sufficient evidence in priOlOtel 111111111011, of Sacchi haviug acted as all agent to the Milan Cummisaioo, sod tlwrefore be apprehended, it was compete.. to him to inquire into his conduct in that ca p►city. _ . A Peer put the folhosing quesliun—Does the witness oaderstassel Engloh but it was withdrawn, and by tbe dreier of astir Lordships. M►. Dermas proceeded to state, more in detail, his argil. ineistsin support of she right of pining the question ob jected to. His Learned Friend had ini.irted that hr had no tight to inquire into the dertorminns of Sacrist to she wit ness, without puiuting out serneilisug which bad hero said by Sudo is his evidence of a cueversatiou between them, iskiitg it for grinned that his (Mr. Diatnaster) übj•ct iu putting the quemstou had beenook procure a contradiction to wan." 'tato meat. of Farther; that however, was not his vitkatt ; bur object was to phew that Sacchi, smug in She capacity of 511 agent to the Milan Conoto+riors, and em. p!,yeil in collecting evidence, had mole au application to 11..• wittiest. to depose falsely against her Royal nightie si.; that he had told bolt Whoa had made their fortllati iu that way ; mid that as they hid, an woaM she witwess also, who wag almost a atrnsiger su him, make hit tortuur by so doing. Isram the widener In pages ♦O9 404 410. it would he sees tart Smell was there charged oasis agent of the Cononsissies. Mr. Dealll4.l them lead extracts (rum the 'voltam of Faeclo, stating io ruhrtance that he had been employed to go lasso Switzerland in lclrk Madame Demont from Amine to Mi lan; that ire bad Credit with a hanker there, having aft, toils deposited is his bonds; and. I hat he bad got no artery front lie Commissiussees except for floe journey to Char. nit:, sad that to Inosaiitie. It was us his journey to the Witte. plate, Mr. Dentures coutiliord, that he. had made this elfte,ood hr s pprrbtmded that that would let him.in to she. uhvi biretta/loci bail been in the character or ol . l, Weld. . - Mr. Park •tfi.taed, itut to sutler the vietsitors to he se. ow/red, ovoid be ioessarlorsit witls the °pima, et the J.sdeev, delivered by the Lord (turf lustier the day before. It wis contrary to she welters' principles of law 10 allow she eirodoet of • 'risen. of a prosrestor so b• irepeaelterl with. out von), flusher proof of strgeuey Than was roneeyell ht the terms of the quest lux. Ilse use rstaloirity for raffia( II•eehl uu agent wilt blosply Ibis--lhat he bad hers lu Lonesome* sod brought use wilur►e from thence to rod dust he had been at Chateau, sad received mum r out that atroost. • sed s, W _~,,, h ..,,~ soma ~,~} ~f 1~ it was it from this nagged evidence of his tiriog employed es a courier that groeral agency was to be inferred > There was we evader* whatever of his cullertist witnesses resets'''. or of en application to any other prams whatever to give 'eldest. except Madame Doomed. He apprehended there. fore that sorb a overoti.le could lust be pot iss the rowel stage of the proceedings. Mr. Denman said, Shot there was Nothing whalers" is the emir.* required by hint incousimeni with the oplahro deli. cereal by the Judges ; and though kr had before castrated himself, in s►ewug the agency of tkicelki, with referring to those pages of the evidroce which respected lisechi himself, be *Mt sure that their Lordship would not shut their eyes to what had been slated by the witnesses. of the prueeethogs of other agents; it wisield be the worst of wafts! ',limier« to du so, fur he was sure he could establish o coonexiiiii be tween his acts and similar one. of other agents. When their Lordship found that &Kati hail hero employed to go ha Lansanne to Ming a witness to Milan, and then to go to Clunsitz, by the same nolividnals, and for what purpose no one could doubt, it was perfectly clear that he had hero an agent. He could tort doubt that there bad hero sittfirient proof of his agency to let in the quest' . Sorely if he was known to have been an authorised egret going about the country, abia‘ing most grossly Ike office eons. tnittrd to hint, their Lordahips would not reject tindltlire of that fact. If such a rule could be adopted, then his Learned Friends would be fur ever able to protect and screen fruits tiaposure the Mikan Coismocdini. But un the principles bulb of law and common seam, be apprehended it was competent to their Lordship. to eesmine witnesses as to what had been the conduct of the authorised agents of the Milan Commission in labouring to oujore sod death'', lay weans of false testimony, the character of her Royal Highness. The Lord Chancellor asked whether the whole of the evi dence opine which they relied to prove that Sacs.hi hail been a general agent, was to be found is pages 448 ■nd 449? He bad put this question because he theaglitt that the question at present under ionsideration migist be hush ed at in two different ways: first, as to whetberflacchi bad been ill agent; secondly, whether, sapposing that be were not an agent, this sort of evidence were admissible to im peach his testimony as a witness. If Sacchi were as agent, then the question could be put ; if witness, then he might he tolled again and have mew questions put to him 14 iay a foundation fur the proposed evidence of the reties% witness. Mr. Denman then 114141 extracts from the evidence of lk. moot, is page 344, importing that she had been desired td go to Milan by Sacchi, an Italian Gentleman, who had bees in the service of the Princess at the mime time she had been; hr had game to seek and fetch ber, hut she did not know whether he hid been otherwise in the service of the Slilao Commission. Mr. Path, in reply, said, that his Learned Friend had dealt somewhat to generalities wise.. araknag of the effect of the evidence of Sleicchi. When asked for the proof of his agency, he stated fame which proved nothing mire thee that he had been a mere tonne,. Out the ground of ageocy, therefore, the giestiou was quite untenable With respect to the other ground on which it was said to he maintain• ble, and considering Strehi as a wutuess, it would not be jast to Sacchi. It would be contrary to every principle of law and justice to put a question affecting the credit of soother witness before giving the other person an opportu nity of explaining his conduct to the Court On both ground", he contended, that the question was inadmissible in point of law. The Lord Chancellor apprehended that the whole of the evidence tending to shear the ageucy of Saechi, would be fueled in pages 344, 372, and 448 of the evidence. His Lordship then read the evidence from these different plates, principally as stated before by Idr. Deren in, and then ob served, that as Sacchi was a witness, the first question would be, whether is the present stage of the procrealitigs a ques tion could be pelt to the witness with a view to affect Sac. chi's credit? He at present put his agency out of view fur half a minute. According to the prileciples of law, the wit ness could not he examined as to declarations of a former wituess, that former witness not having been apie.tioned to such declaratious. In the case of Rastelli, the House had reaulecit that evieleure could nut be received of whet he had said without calling him. It was on tidy around that Majoechi bad been milled back. The ease here was sidtply Ibis—whether, because Sacchi had been it witness, the Cusnael could nu that account ask the present wittiest., what his declarations bad been, without calling Bauchi , when there was an opportunity of ealliug and examining biro as to the conversation Aced oil that emend he thought it was enough to say, that Seeds, outlet to he called and asked what his deckrations to the witness were Willi respect to the (meadows of vesicy, it depended ou what hr haul read from the emelt-ore, for their lorddiips to say, whether employment there appearing, constituted him solely a in. ssengerOf whether he had l.eme also em ployed to collect and induce witnesses In give evidence by permiasiou ' deelarations, mid similar meaus—that was for their I...n_rdships to dries mine. bard Erskine maid, that in his time, at an Advocate, he Iva. quite litre that if • witness had been examined fur a prowcutiuii, and it waa afterward. found that that wit ness had him-elf been bratine lip fur Inlay testimony, be, as Voiotia. I far the defence, could have called upon that per sum himself to gli,c.edst his emit testimony, and other pennon besides. to chew that he was • corrupt willies.; and then she Counsel on the other side ...glut call on his to eatablish hi • owe evidence. Fart Grey bad been reluctantly compelled to dissect from his (tubule in a recent instance. He had thought that if they were to let in the *widener of persons entirely 11111.4111. steeled with the irmisaciion, it night prolong the pelmet-d -onee tu an interminable length, and, moreover, lead to also• gems* consequences. But thus case appeared to stand on vett, differeut gruuuds. Here there was evidence that Saccbi had been ill the employment of the Milan Gtwmia• 61011; and, therefore, whatever proof might be required to establish agency is other case., hr thought there was enough stated here so admit Ilse testimony objected lu, on the ground of his being an agent ; but mach more should the levtimulty be received ou the ground of Sacchi being a witness, and of the testimony going to discredit his evidence; [Prange if a person who hail previously stood at the bar as a witness had endeavoured in inbuilt witnesses and purchase false evidence iii the very same cause, who could believe that be would stop al uttering falsehood himself ?—(fiear, hear.) The Earl of Live. puul said, that hr could not admit the evidence sit the want vs on the ground first taken by the Noble Earl Grey). He thought there was no proof of that deree of agent) , which would justify the question. But Sacehi baring been a witness, lie was of 01111111011 that be ought to he called back and questioned as to the con versa. do with the Earl Grey repeated his argument for the rereplion of the evirtrece. Lord Erskine (we understood) agreed that Swells shoeld be rolled hick in the first instaisr.-. The Lad ChAacr:lor suggested that Sacelu should be sent fur. The Solicitor•Generat, in the mean time, wished to know whether S.irclis was to be called back to emitrndatt aoy thing he lold said b.&we, or to give frr•k eeideoce, which smother Witsiess might be examined upon The lord Chancellor Gaud it seemed to be the opinion of the Hon.,. that Saran should be recalled. Luca Laittlerd.k thought it ought to be definitely elated for p hat institute Macau ought is. be recalled. Was it tu impeach us credit out I.f lus uwa mouth ? su U might better be pin uu tuber anima& Th.• I.urd Chancellor legged leave to state, in order to put an end In I be forst 1111 l ,in Ire first place, that he hail thatinctl) said that Sicelia teas not a general agent ; and in the taxi place, that his declarations could not be inquired into till M. sere called himself. Lord Erskine ohnerved, that the House would not he bound by the Sr. y of the witnes►. Thry ought to begin by r•tlin this 111411 to prove the act of curl option in Yoterbi, and tutu the usher bide might call Saechi to tout'w dirt hon. Lord Reties&le !Inmate. that in point of form the Nubk and Learned Lewd ou the Wunieark omelet ID inform the Ceenusel at the her on what grounds the es itlerce of Satehi was to he received Lord Grenville thought it would be !proper to call on the CCutivel on the one side in lisle their IC4IIOI/1 why she qua tiuu nut be rut, awl un the other to sbew why it should. The Gomm' bsiug called In the Iwo.. The Lord Choice Nor informed them that the nem* eon. sidereal theqweetiou of the tolmisaibilloty or Madmasibillty of the evidence sufficieatly argued on the ground of impaled sasere—asad that it was desiroos of hearing thews arise its inarliMasibitity ee admissibility ua any other grounds t h ey hail to urge. taiTo lim ilm A t ll t r roe ".Gelbe' qwestion s w i a s s "a w , ho th l ll ly t te:l a i s nis 7 M P l a r e"l in t o p. a m on s t en tsi Is., is whatever way It was to be considered. Was Ilse evi dence of corrupt agency offered is toiler 111 •lf..ct the cbs. meter of Samba as a witness How could they (the Collll4el 011 the other side) have a right to go into evidence of cor ruption Rail delitiquency, when is °Military practice they could nut give ',ideate of convicted crime. against a wit ness, except they had a record from Ihe Court winch load fouisil hiss guilty? Aosd this was on the modern practice only—in the ancient ISO 11110( could be gives' of olimaccs alien to the doer which hail been dismantled by a amines. in order to affect hie credit. 100 the modern practice a wane., might be asked if he IeUMIIIIIII.II marl or such arts—he might refits, to answer if he pleased—if he did sneerer, his answer moat be received, mod stn evidence druid be aft.-rwarda ad mitted to discredit that answer. The reason (or this rode was obvisiess. A witness. (mold not come prepared to meet a charge against hie charamer if it were wholly unfottooled. The law requ,red Host every witness should have sootier ht some way ur other of all that was to Ire dune to affect his coedit, it sofficomit lane to enable him to marl Ike charges which were to he Mooed against bins Mr. Park ro ferret their leoroblaps to page 290 in Phillips's Priscipies of Evidence, for the rule which bad been so well stalest by his Learned Friend also preceded him. lie found a similar exposition no /entice Belle.. book uu (Seri Prins. Mr. Brougham agreed wills the general propositions wh ch had hero held mot by his Learned Friends. He agreed that, graerelly spealciag, it was ant competent in a COUlleel to discredit a witness by tendering proof of particular acts, as to which he had previously omitted to examine hies on crussexanoinat ion, when called a. a witness in chief. That was a general proposition, bottomed in sure principles and expediency. He ...odd also agree, that evidence coatd not be given to impeach the credit of a willies., of acts dime by hint out or the particular case in which he was called, ex cept as to general character, when it might be asked, " hou know A. B.; is he a man whom you would believe upon is oath?" l'lsese proposition,. weer foutoolo-st nn one ass-i (lbe same pi inciple, a n d nor vo satisfactorily eatablished, that it wvel/d be in v3lll h 4.1 they the wish, and they hid it not) to attempt to misrule them. But the case they presented was simply this—ihey offered proofs of she alive coached of • witness in this particular came, Isaeisig been domed to going :Mout suburodug evi dence. He knew that they remold out give evidence of a tribune called its 10111 cause having $lll/411 . 11e1l eVioltilee ill any other cause, without they load the record of his emivicii 111 l to produce. Ile could agree to that proposition without con trolling Phillips's book stn Eridemee. But it was otherwise with the case in hand, which was caked out of the general rule. Ile admitted also that he could soot have called Mel verlore to tiegatire any thing which Sacehi did nut reculket. Rut on the highest grounds of justice, he churned the tight , I of vaulter the question; for of he should prove clearly that Sadie had gone about suborning witnesses, who, would ! believe his testimony Mr. Denman, in impport of Mr. Broughams's argument, put the case aim issue in ronrse sit trial v Soappoee Oil ex staining a witness on a collateral inquiry, it should be ells. towered that on the slay of trial the lawyer 1111 the op. polite side, who wasn't ex mined witness in the cause, hail offered a large bribe ld give false testimony, if the Counsel I were ready lo prove the ect against him (the lawyer), wee it possible to doubt that they would be at liberty to lint a wit. mas tutu the box, and immediately examine him as to the fact, not only with a view to discredit the attorney as a witness, bet I for the purpose of disgracing the came of his principal? It I would Iry the last degree of atiturility Its impeose that they I would be condemned to wait 'odd they had not put the attorney into the box, soil laid the foundation for con. ! tradicting him It would be quite privilege enough for ' the attorney to be able to come back, and deny by his re-examination, of possible, all that hail betel proved against him This was • ease precisely similar to that before their Lordships. lu the Emmet. part .of these proceedings they had been put to a difficult choice as teethe timeand !node of duos examining the wituriown for the prosecution. One of the peruhirdira of their Case was, that having been denied ! • list of aiinesse. they had no opportunity or obtaining the knowledge is y tOr the doss-moimination until the examinations were completed—except they hail chosen the alternative then offered, of Delaying the proceedings, which • they considered to he for more doucerou• to the interests of . their Illustrious Client He thought that by the evidence of Marches jusiency to fetch Demont, mod his excursion, dinsigh was 'hewn to allow them to prove his corrupt prac tices as an agent elsewhele, of which they had abuudaut testimony in the neighbourhood of Milan. Mr Park inferred from his Learned Friends having re. eurred so frequently to. the question of agency, which had already been €llllpg.e.l of he their Liordships--(" No, no !" fees all efaaeleee of Me Hoare)—o,, far as the Coisissel on both sides were concerned, he apprehended the question of agency was dome with, the redolence to it proved the little reliance which they load ion the other ground, 'timely, that of affecting the credit of a withe.a. Mr. Brougham had admitted the general proposition this a witness must have due notice of a charge which wis emended to affect his credit. Ile was al a loss to see what notice Mace's' had re , (elect' on the charge 110 W offered to lost brouebt. In as long crosso xamination no circionstaieces had trampired too lead hint to suppiele that the charge of corrupt agency would he brought. It wa. argued that if the proof went to corrupt conduct in Ilse cease, the evidence must be admitted. That point hail heels decided by Lord Ellesiborough„ in a case of weary, wherein be load refused to elbow proof of any other contracts uoade by the party, except that a hich was the cause of the trial—aior would his Lordship allow evidence to be given of au attempt whirls had been made to dissuade a wit ness from appearing at the trial. Mr. Brougham 11 gist that the case of Harris and Tip. per, which had been quoted, was entirely in his favour. The Lord Chancellor said, that he had been so long ablest from the practice of Nisi Pries that he felt great difficulty in determining on any qiiestion of that nature. His Lord ship's opinion inclined to the prevention of the question in the present stage, no sufficient evidence of Sacchee agency having appeareJ, and hr not having been examined. upon the charge now brought iu hie croswo simian:thou, it was scarcely possible to allow 'violence to he gives of hie corrupt practices, for the purpose of affecting his credo iii question. In this opution be was mistse.b,airengthened by that which lord Ellesibususogh bad ! ;tronouncell on the case just quoted. However, his Lordsloto observed, that wellons simile ea ideate, according tuer/well.kusrn maxim of law, for which reason he wished, with their Lordships' permission, to pso. pose a quesiloo for the Judge*, in order to ascertain the general roles and peachee in the Courts below. The question which Ise would propose was. " Whether, according to the general principles of evidence to be rrceived in Ike Courts below, when a witness called for the prosecution had brew examined in chief, end had not beets muss-examined as to certain acts dome, or declaretioue mole by him, hs order to pocure other witnesses for the prosecution, would it be cons. portent in the Counsel for the defence to prove such declare. limos nod acts without first calling back the wituess to res. mine him a. to 'loose acts and declarations ?" The Earl of Liverpool thought that the position was not very necessary. The Coun I did 1 .e. llO. di sagree as 19 one ground, that of affeclieg fiacchi'e credit. Perhape the shortest way would he to call hack Moretti, and My Ilse rosin ditiou fur b. bootie forward the evidence offered by ex.' nettling him first. It was nut a question of excluding evi dence, but telly as to the master on which the evidence was to be received. The shortest way would be to recal Macke The Marquis of Lenaihowin had no objection to the comae proposed by the Noble Pearl, if the COUUSCI for she Bill ape proved of it. But be objected to the principle upon which she Noble Esti proposed to admit the evidence, monody, in contradiction of Sacchi's recollection or declaration ; whereas the proof that was offered ass of corrupt acts done Soy Menlo, which had minting to Du with boo memory ur ad missions. The Lord Chancellor ;squired if the Counsel had any objection to n•cst &arch, ? Mr. Bruath•~m thst the last timc tlrcy wished to recil a W 141 1 ,113 be was ROI to be found. • The fmrJ Chancellor—lf he is to be Wend, here roe soy obleetion lo rains, him? Mr. growellain *mil, Nose in the least, if we ems eaansine kit% sew. The Lora Clotot•ellor said, every ogle who knew wind evi dence was .ant two. the girt...4 , 11y of r‘mssoioc a witness at the time un which hr was r illrol, rather than at any other Inge. t.urj &Aine made sum- oh•ervations ou the terms of the opte.tion, which he so.oset.e..l either to alter, or submit • separate twat . at Ihe Lard Re.leollto 'poke. The Lord Chant-rib,' pot the rerestinn to the Howie, " Is it your Lordships' ;demo, Ih.t ope4tion elionttl he pot to the Willies,. on the erollll.ll of them totirretent prow' of Sarchi ha•tor hen, netti ..f the Milan Coannitmom before the que•tion wrest to the The Earl 01 I. tr•lrrel4lr tur.le game remark,. The Lord Chancellor punted riot the difficulty which ',frock hint, of taking the sense of the Moose on the polltog of this question, upon one ground, for which some of the Peers were ready to vote, when there was milither, ion which perhaps some of the Veers who WOllll.l object to the tiro! grained, would wish the siosesti.os il. ht: WO. II Wl* on thAt aerwilit he hail poeferred 11x plait of Irking nn sip . from the Jot/lova, le v Ingot to their I Air , l4lii pa afterwards to decide o f tine woonld allow She orie•tiool to he pot. Kul Grey, after valet...ow,: the 'Stitt to which, on the present sits..dims, he viewed o h« character of agency, namely, Of I. proved so have heels time in a part trills, came, !toroth the author's isnot were out diitinctiy proved, aereed to the opreition twos( pot In sloe Mouse. The Lord Chinceilor actin asked, if it was their I ships' pledsoooe that the polo ion idniold he put to the willies,' Holhool 'lid not approve of putting such a ques t too. One pi f their 1. r I.hips were iesdy to allow the qamition, on the around of alrectitai the credit of the wittiest;; another portion would allow it is.. Owe ground of proved agency. If it wrist to the vote on either of these erounds separately, the Iloilo. might be led to reject a gamine, which the tnajoroiy, (ruin thlTereut motives, wished to have put. After a few remarks from the Lord Chancellor and Eul Gres:, Lust Erskine then reqetesteil that the following question should be put to the Judges:— . IVhetker,ifon any trial, in any ram in the Courts below, a witness is called sin the part of she plaintiff or prosecutor, nod gives evoleitre mg dust the AeGndant in smelt case; and of after the cross-examination of such wdoes., if you discover that the witness so examined bas eorropted or endeavoured to corrupt other •ittiemes, the Cututvel for such defendant oily not be permitted to give evidence of such eiwropi Lord Carnsrvon moved. as as ameednient, " That the goes/ion he mow put, — and observed that it was .55.1.5. t o be referring questions to the Judgesouid after ilk y hid iwen their opinion, *part front it. The Lord Chgistellor then put the two cistestionsi and the amendment of the Earl of CArsinevon woe negatived. Lola I.:•.kines 'potation won 'lon pot to the Learned Judge's, wiso.atier considering fora Assort tone, re,psentesi premiss lO be allowed to commier of the isse-t t until to.mo c es.w morning, %I'll II Man .sgresql It •wii Italf-pa%ithrec o'Lloct: the !lonic adjourned to to-morrow. MEETING TO AIWRI:SS THE QUIPItN. Yesterday it very timainerous meatiug of the lobs. totem* of the Parish of Sr. George, II snorer. square, asiersubled sit the Great Rootu, 'tissue,' of Venison-yard, Lower Brook -street, to consider of an Address to her Majesty. At one o'clock the room was crowded to excess. A great number of Ladies were present, fur Wiluill accommodations had been provided near the Chair. Jnitte CAM 1105140n:46, E•q . being unarmemou•ly called to the Chair, addressed the meeting. Fle said, that he was uumt happy at all tines to inert any portion of hie constituents, anti was particularly gratified to see hiontiell: at the present alumna scr. noseband by such a numerous and resort-table as. wmbly. lie was sorry to leans that thaws whose duty it Wet, it his humble opinion, to attend to the wishes of their fellow-parishioners (alluding to the Coon:kw:nib:us having refused to call the meet ing) had not thought proper to afford to them Nil opportunity of expres.ing their sentiment,. They had assembled to express their opiuitms, not biassed by the consider mtion of the rank of the party, but by the desire that justice should be dose so every individual, let their rank he what it would. The question had, within thew ten days, ste mmed a very different aspect to that which it had hitherto borne, as it had been said in time House of COlikillol4 it was not now a trial of the Qtieemi, but of his Majesty's Nlinteters; nut of her Majesty, but of her Majesty's perseteutors.—( Loud cheering.) Front the itmoceedings is the !louse of Lords it would appear that tome or the charges had left the slightest slur on the character of her Nlajes.y, but they had blotted with Untenable trains the characters of those who had pursued her ; hot for a month or a year, but for a quarter of a century ; so grossly treating her, who„whether as a woman , as a stranger, or as a Quern of these realms, was entitled to their respect till she had forfeited it by some act of her own. He would not endeavour to Inflame their minds by considering the injustice and persecution winch her Majesty had Puttered, for that sympathy lie might securely rely tit the sentiments spouts. neously springing up iu their own boson's. Ile thought it a question that required 'wither argument nor der-I:maim, st wits merely whether this Illus trious Lady, who had been Ilse contirmued subject of insult, shonlil be crushed by the hand of power, or upheld by the sympathy of a generous people. He would like to put it to sortie of she Noble Lords or Gentlemen, the perescutors of this Illustrious Lady, how they would feel if a sister of theirs (for that was the way in which the case should be put, in order to he felt) were to be sub. jected to such treatment ? He would ask. sole. thee they would endure such persecution against a female relation of their own, out rise up in yen geauce against her persecusors ? Suppose it were the sister of my Lord Castlereagh. the sympathy of the people would be the same as for the Queen—if she were to be accused by u Commission, who if they found no charge were authonsed to make one, fur that ails the astute of the Milan Cons. mission: they were seat out with an empty Nag, and order e d to to return without a full one— (Loud laughter and upplasrael—it signified no thing whether the charges were true or false,just or 'millet, so that "hen the bag was b•ought over here it appeared to be fall. lie would like to lie informed hum it happened slut the Milsii Commissioners, during all the lime they were occupied with their inquiries, had not acquired the same tnrana to 'hew the falsity of the charges aganist the Queen, which her Majesty's Colossal had got in the short space of four weeks. Surely smiler they had got the depositions of the Demonta, the Ssechis, and Majocchip, it was their duty, its stead of' giving implicit credence to their testimony, to have asked of oilier persons if the charges were true or false, or likely to he true. Why had they ' not applied to Dr. Holland, the confidential physis AIM. • - - , . - • ••••• • •' ' ..' ..••••••••••....- _ - ___ . - • clan to her Majesty. who from his situatirm Must have been able to give the utast satisfactory testi nom.), as to the truth or falsehood of the charge It was their duty to have doubted the evidence of throw scoundrel. (for that was now the proper epi thet fir them) who had given each testimony, and • to have caller! noon others of her Majeure house hold. %Vila prevented them applying to Slimed, who bad, in the evidence lie had give., contradict ed the testirnony of Demont ? But, no! their duty was to fill the bog with depoodinea against the Queen. and then the Ministers would he enabled to say to her, " Come over if you dare." They de peoded on her Majesty being as weekly timorous in repelling the charge, es they pretended to be cr..- drilous in receiving it. But their hope. were all blown into air front the moment that her Nlajeste made the magnanimous declaration that she .will repel the charges with all the means that GO,l 1.,.i given her. The neat qnestiori was. not hoe the Offer of the Queen should be settled, but how should the effete of the Miniaters be deternitired ? It was the Ministers now whin were on their trial, mai he booed that the united voice of the country would be heard to call for justice ore all there who had di. reeled that insult opine her Majesty. He had leineelf helmet Lord Castlereagh declare in the Iltruae of Common+, that be had given order' to our Ambassadors et Foreign Courts not to treat hi r Majesty as a Royal Personage. lie sh ou ld l i k e to he 'lammed by some Lawyer whether it was not now, ao formerly, a greet iniedemesnor to torn. 'Begs' Commieoions. Referring to old tones, he fume' we were not withotit exemples of persons who had suffered the punishment of the law for that of fence. Surely, then, there was a power in the law to popish fur the offence of 'soiling that Commission, which, hr believed, was without example iii the loo tory of Eiigleiel—[Mr. P. Moore, who sat dose to Mr. Ilohhouse, amid, " or in the world ;"),--or, as his Hon. Friend Mr. Nloare said, in the world. He should like to know, whether such calunnor being disseminated agates, the wife of any mile he would not say the King's elk, but ano 111411 . 1 wife. that inn would not, if abroad, hasten t.. England, and indict the authors of it. Ile it. firmed, the King's M nisters it-Roved 'imp.:lch mein for is g the Miles, C0M1111914011 alone; but tbe rattlers given to our Atithamadorir abroad, formed the too t solid end rational gnomic, for such a measure. It was the centime' ar t ily of Slinisteio, when they were charged with lialialaaaKealeal, Its retort upon their accusers with the charge of oily deriristg their pieces. He declared himself to l.os nue of those politicians who dud out ar,tic to bare shy of their places, and 1w believed none of those wh eal h e had th e houe ur of aiilrtsoing desired It. he liii their place.; he believed the peopl e of E 11411111,1 liked their 'daces as little aa their persons.—( fit_ please.) By what might be gathered (ruin °heel vatted of passing eveuts, it appeared pretty clearly that the Minutera were at the last gasp—they were strug gling in a quagmire, and the dos they threw einem only served to belted triensaelveo. They lied but a kick or two left before they would expire.—(Lead laughter and app/ease.)—The Ministers were now reduced to the deplorable exigency of existing upon newspaper paragraphs. Ile alluded to the dtscovery of the notorious distributor of placards, Mr. Fletcher., ..liar Ft - mains, alio& Furor,. He cutileosed he was Dot satisfied with the eaelaincion give.. on the House of Commons. It was true Lord Castlereagh Rot no and•assured the House he fatal never the ed %o;, him ; but then es the gentlemen had so molly aliases, it might be that be lied dined with the Noble Lord as Lord Something or Sir Some. body—lie ought have bad a title for oast OITII - j ou that it was tidying northing to say Mr. Franklin had riot dined with my Lord Castkreattii. my Lord Sidireouili, or any of the Noble pentoti• who were in the habit of giving dinners at the pub lic expense. But then Lord Castlereagh added, the Government could not interfere, because it would have been at, infract.on of the liberty of the subject. To be sure, there was rather an awkward giggle our one side of the House when that declara tion was made. He had heard of the devil quoting Scripture; and le would say, there were no word., which came with so little grace as the words " liberty of the subject," out of the mouth of that Noble Lord. The only thing left them to do was to charge the friends of the Queen (that was about seventeen mill* sof the inhabitants of Roglanil. Scodaird. and Ireland) with being in a plot agleam the Mi nisters. To that pitiful " complexion had they conic at last." What now remeined for the people. to do, serta to continue to give the Queen's cause every support by all the peaceable lateens in thror power. satisfied as they intuit be, that in defeedie t e her rights they were tnetiorrining their own. They were now met to congratulate her Majesty on the failure of this the third, fourth, or filth (he knew not which) conspiracy which had been formed against her. That this conspiracy too had failed was quite apparent ; for what had been proved ? The extent of the proof was, that her Majesty had slept on board ship on deck, under a tent, in pre ference to sleeping under the deck, subject to the annoyance of the diluent arising from horses, Ste. ; that near her in that tent she had chosen to bore one who had served her with fidelity, and hail be. fore protected her life. That was the whole of the proof that she had chosen to repose in that tent— nut undreesed—with a free passage through it, and liable to be lifted up a dozen nines in the • Melt, to see if her Royal (lighters, was asleep, That was absolutely the whole of the case. Thar Honourable Gentleinon then referred to a placard, in which he had been charged with kiwi.o ot. lit hitting asserted the fact of persons of both sexes 1,1 Russia having batleol toe ether. This, he SIMI. was an anonymous chargo from the manufactory, he supposed, of the Gentleman with the stock of nauit and he had , therefore, cundesceirded to give it any answer; but for their senefertiou he would rend a quotatiiii from a book of travels.-- [The ro.iiii being now li Iril, and sonar hundreds of persons being ender the windows outside, • cry was raised of " To the window !" in consequence of which the table on which the Chairman brood was moved, so that the persons outside could hear as well as those in the room.]—Mr. Hubhouse pro ceeded to read quotations from the Travels of Dr. Clirke. and Acerhi, which fully bore Imo out in the statement which he hint made, lie proceeded to descant on the possibility, if • certain palace near where lie spoke were to be scrutinized in the way that her Majesty's conduct had been scanned, lithe. th ee a green hag might net be filled from Bence.