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.~ the subject of the salt lax. Ti was his intention to pretpoce that the intentsl duty on salt in this country should 6r re clined from lbs. to 2s. per bushel ; and that the existing re. gulatious fur the &hem of sell fur the /Aeries, and other matiofseturing purposes, should be coetineed to the bth Ja. nosey,• 1825 With respect to thee:portion* of salt from this , country, it was Ins ententes to propose that it should he el. lowed to be exported, duty free, to foreign ports. and ono to livened, and that, upon being landed ii. Inlaid for mum nip. tic's, it should be subjected to the some duty and regulations as at preacat. He should also propose that Ireland should be allowed to make salt for interest consumption without payment of any duly ; and that the last allowance should likewise be extended to Scotland. Should his plan meet the approbation of the House, he intended to per.evere in the reduction of the tax on leather, to the retest which he had before promised; lot he was %whaled that the recension -if taxes could not be carried soy farther. Rh. CCRWEN said, lie was by no means satisfied with the explanation df the Right Hun. Gentleman; he therefore eroded that be would give notice for Mond., for the Corn. IMAM in order that they eight then go into the discussion, asd the sense of the House be take,, on the Resolutions. After a few words from Colonel Davies, the Chancellor of the Exchequer, and Mr. D. Gilbert, the eutiversation dropped. KENT PETITION. Mr. HONYWOOD presented a Petition from the Free holders of the Comity of Kent, in County Meeting assert. bled, on the subject of the distress which now meson on the country, complaining that Petitions on the subject of Dud distress and its causes bad not received from Parliament the attention which they merited, and praying fur a reel and efficient economy, and a full and fair emeTeintatiori of the people in Parliament, sad that the House would he pleated to make a jail redaction of the interest on the public debt of the country, as soot' as it had reformed itself. Sir E. KNATCHBULL said, that though Ise had the nele. fortune not to agree in opinion with the petitioners, yet he did agree with his Honourable Colleague in the stannic* he bad made, that the meeting at which it was adopted wan highly numerous and respectable. He said It was extremely difficult fur him to express in appropriate language what be telt ou the subject of ibis Petition, and of the meeting et which it was resolved upon ; bat he meat say, that it ap peared to him to be very unfair, and to savour not • little of manmuveriug, to couple the two topics of the distress of the country aid reform of Perlistennit the requisition on which the meeting was convened. The Honourable Baronet the. proceeded at great length to describe the proceeding; at the meeting, which be characterized as the most orderly sod respectable he had ever seen. All was conducted with fairness, and a Petition was agreed upon, the seine In substance as the pentad, with the exception of one dance. Every thing was conducted is the most orderly manner emit a gentleman, stating himself to bee freeholder (whether be were so or not was met withi• his (Sir E. Krialehbuit'w) knowledge, proposed that that these should be engrafted on the Bill, chub called upon the Noose to violate the ne bula! faith. Su astonished was the *hole meeting at the irropolitios, that • pause of several moments ensued before ern person could be found to inroad the motion. At length on person did step forward for that purpose, who however, upon re 9 , thou, thought better to decline ; and, after another pine,* nut lier person did snood the noniou. ThetYhig leaden, who load called the meeting, remained silent at first,but he was sorry to say that after a pewee there were some among them elm seemed to applaud the Resolution. Some others, how. ever, oar Noble Lord (Danny) it' particular, who made a twat 'taint it, opposed it; •nd appeared to feel indig. sant that the aristocracy of the country should be led by a man of such a character as that person who proposed the clause, which deserved the highest reprehensins. He (Sir E. K) differed In opiniou with the meeting on the subject of Parliamentary Reform, and called fur some explanation of what Reform was intended, aid whether they meant a change of meta or a change of us aaaaa ea? and be was an swered by Sir. Colibell, that their main object was • reduc tion of the int-rest of the debt. If those who had under. taken the lead in the proceedings of the day bed then slept forward, and expressed the now abhorrence of that proposi tion which his Hon. Friend soil the Noble Lord of whom he had spokes expressed, they might have prevented the nilop•ion of the clause.—(Hear, bear )—He therefore pro. tested, is the name of the county of Kent, against the Peti tion being considered as emanating from the great body of the freeholders of that county. The Petition of the snisjo shy of that meeting it undoubtedly was, but not of the ma jority of the freeholders of the county. He felt eon/dent that it •as in ' , manse opposition to the feelings of sine. truths of the county. He protested abo„on the part of the Whig leaders themselves, against its being considered as their Keene; far though, being takeu by surprise, they had not exerted themselves to previon the adoption or the clause to which he had alluded, be was confident that it was an di rect opposition to their opiiiions. Mr, HO,NYWOOD said, though the requisition for the meeting did in some degree emanate from the Whigs in the county of Kent, a great smother of the requisitionists were not Whigs. The requisition was signed by 450 of the plumps' landowners of the county, owning • property of tint lass than 50,000 acres. Whatever his Hon Colleague might say, be (Mr. H ) would maintain that the Pomona • did express the general amnion of the meeting. With re spect to the opinions of the freeholders of Kent on the sub ject of Parliamentary Reform, that topic was expressly pro prod in the requisition for the meeting, and if they were uopuie d to it, that was the time and place for them to ex. press their opinions. Lord J. RUSSELL said he smitld not but feel surprised Thee he heard it stated by the Honov;eable Ba ro net (Foe C. lintelibull), that ene-tenths of the respectable freeholders • of the (natty of Kent were against the Petition, that they 14 4114511 come forward an.l stated their 'Feminism's ow the hcession. He regarded the adoption of thin Petition, by the meeting as a proof that theirs was in the trosetry • considerable body of pentium of the highest • reopectebßety, and of considerable property, who were re. doted to nth a stale uf distress that they were ready to sure to say propos/les that bore upon the Gee of it • pro mile of relief from their present rendition, without any in. ' , mien to injure or overlent the Government. Having be e n caked on several occasions whether he inteuded again to bring forward his mottos or the sash net of Parliamentary Refoeur, he would take that oppectuwity of stating that at some fu ture occasion he should renew his endeavours to yr , what he comeived to be • fur and fell representation of the people err Parliament. He would not pledge himself to soy path solar time nor to the peitteuler terms of the propos,. lion which he might hereafter submit, but his motion would be for a Committee. But whatever opinions he might enter tan se the necessity of Parliamentary Riform, anal on t h e present mode of returning Members to Parbernent, Ise lover could countenance the doctrine that that House were not the legal representatives of the people. They bed been ad. mined end wcoguned as such, and any debts eoniracted by that Hons.., any future Goverument would hr humid to pay; tier could he a ver be brought to Coeseut for a moment to rinds'', any proposition for reducing the int erest , or ens ceiling the obligations which bad been entered into respect ing any part of the public debt, but In the case of an seer wbehning necessity. Hedid not mein noels a necessity as mere expediency, or the wish to avoid the inconvenience of the charge might iodine some tees to immure, but such a feresarty as would onovines all parties is that Homer of the impenibility of longer coetinuing to pep lt.---(Hrar.) Sir E. KNATCHBULL made some uhaervatiuus in so Inca tour that we could sot collect them. The Marquis of LONDONDERRY saigl he was not in the Hume ether the Petition was read, lint from what he had learnt of its contests mid the remarks whieli had bees made upon them, he dial not apprehend that the clause which recommended the reduction of the iutneet of the debt, would form soy obstacle to the Petition lying upon the table. indeed although it was perhaps to be lamented that a meet ing of the freeholders of the county of Kent should have adopted suels • proposition. yet be thought it shuuld re main an a record upon the Journals of the House, to warn other cueutymeetings against beteg betrayed into the situp. SIOn of such propositions. He bad heard stilts pleasure, and indeed without surprise, the disavowal by the Noble Lord (lord J. Russell) uf such Anwar., as th at which " IS littMemtion contained. But the Noble Lurd would excuse bins fur saying that be could not feel altogether ea. thfied with the manner is /Aids that disavowal had hems exprened. The Noble Lord said he could to induce the interest uf the debt, but in the ease of WI averwheltiiing necessity?' e (Lord Londonderry) did cot like the use of the word 0 onsersl," fur be could out couple the idea of conical or choice with that of necessity. And he protested agaiast the expression ip this instance. beeline it seemed to couutenance the notion' of some wonieceieut neecastsy, which might induce Gent Men to sanction the spoliation of the property o f th e pa lie creditor.—(Hen, bear.)—He considered the right of the public creditor to his full amount of interest, to be as sacred as that of the, landed proprietor to hie freehold; and he eoutst no Mere sanction the spoliation of the one than of the oftiv.r.... The Noble Lord hail expressed his intention to reneSr his motion for Parliamentary Reform. He hoped the Noble Lord wbea be did bring it forward would go into the cussion with that coolness and temper which he hail before evinced, and which so well became hint. But he thought the circumstance of the Petition auw before the House ought to be a caution to the Noble Lord and other Parlia mentary Reformers, how they proceeded to break down the establishes' modes of tepreseutatiou, to let in others which might have the elrect or lessening the dispassionate judg ment and cautions discersimeat of future Parliaments. Lard J. NUMMI *tier. tied his surprise that the Noble Lord should so far have misunderstood his meaning as to the necessity which alone would jestify any departure front the engagements of Parliameat with the public creditor.— He had expressly said this he did not mew, such • conve. miens necessity as the Noble Lord alluded tn, bat that the necessity of which be spoke eels such as would convince all the Members of that House alike. for instance, ifs forei i tn enemy were at the gale., and we had not the means of rasing money to pay the interest of the debt, and at the same time to pay the fume necessary to defind the country, that would he such a necessity as would justify the Vi..latiun of the public engagements, because the difeuce of the na tion was a ditty paramount to every other. The Marquis - et LONDONDERRY said, what be most objected to was the auticipation of any necessity that could justify the withholding payment of the interest Oahe debt. He objected to the NohLr Lord's use of the term "cameo," which implied a deliberate choice, which could not exist with an imperious and irresistible necessity, which could alone justify to caecal the oldigatioo. For eveu such a secessity as the Noble Lord hid described would only an. Morin the sosprosion or temporary postponement of the payment, and could not annul the obligatioa, or do away with it altogether. It was the encouragement of any notion that a necessity (nit such a proceeding was anticipated, that he chiefly deprecated. And he did deplore that the met' of rank at the meetiug did not step forward and resist the adoptiow of that clause in the Petition, and •indicate them. selves from the impriation of sanctioniug any proceeding so unjust and so dishonest as that which was suggested. Lord J. RUSSELL said he had no objection to retract his expression of " consent." He never before understood that she Noble L.srd was a critic of words.--(Much laughter.) —With respect to the Whig trade., in Kent, he believed they had been carried away by the feeling of the whole meeting, which the the cause of exciting. Mr. CA LCRA FT, as a freeholder of Kent, must dissent from the expression of the Noble Lord (3. Russell) as to she feeling of the whole meeting. If the representatives of the county, and the other leading men who were present, bad taken no more pains than he was t►en using to explain to t►e meeting the nature of the proposition, he was confident that not fifty re 1 1 ,0114 at the meeting would have adopted it ; but the Gentleman who moved it, who had favoured the county meetings with his presence, and whom hr before knew to be a freeholder, would have been de• sired to mount his horse, and go bark to where be came from. He was convinced that if he (Mr. Calcraft) had not been attending his deny iu that Horse, in combating the Chancellor of the Ibldlsequer upon the salt tax, hut had been p t at pbis meeting, humble no inclevldusl as he was, he should have bees able to prevail with the meeting to reject a proposition so dishonest.—(Hear, bear, hear.)—He protested, therefore, against such an apology as had been made for men so honest, so well in tentioned, and so well principled as the freeholders of Kent. When people undertook to manage she business of a public meeting, they should be prepared for inch emergencies as that. The sudden nature of the occurrence was no excuse for not resisting it. Sir E. KNATCHBULL said, lie did attempt In speak in opposition to the clause when it was proposed, but he could not obtain a hearing, Mr. J. SIIIrH expressed his surprise and regret, that the clause had not bee,' opposed by some other of the leading pewit's at the meeting bis , des tbe Noble Lard (Darnley), whose conduct '4;l him so much honour on that occasion, for such a measure as that whir h had been proposed must wanly° the roontry in inevitable ruin. .. .. . Mr. BROLlfiti A 'll mid, that too ohyrts seemed to have been held in view I. the Noble Lord mid the Hon. BirWirt opposite (Sir E. liiiatchboll): the one was to east blame ois the leaders of the 11414 aristocracy.—(" No," from Sir E. Koatchboll.)—He understood the Hun. Baronet to have ceo. stored the Whig mriatociacy fur nut °priming the proposition. —(Sir E. linsiebboll said, he regretted they had nut done so, but did met said, he felt regret that they bad not opposed the clause, which was, though mot quite the same, yet almost as bad as ; for curs ry one knew that there was no more rutting way of expressing blame than by avowing regret, whereby one avoided inipsigniug people'. motives, loot coutrived to attack the soundness of their understandings.—(Laughter.)-e• The other object, particularly with the Noble Lord (Looduis. deity), appeared to be to attack the meeting itself, and through she aides of that meeting to titlark roomy meetings is general. He rose, therefore, to vindicate bath parties. The Hon. Baronet asked why the iVhig leaders did not come forward and smart the torrent of bad nrinciplea which stranger. were pouring iu upon the meeting. "If they bad done their duty," mid Ike Hon. Baronet, " they could have resisted the proposal, nod to their nun-resistance alone it Oiled its lwest." If that were true then the blame was im putable to them alone, and nut to the meeting; but the Honuoralale Baronet hisnacif had acquitted them of eves that Mayor, for he admitted that one Noble Lord snore them did come forward and make a speech against Ike obeiotioos proposition, and be idso admitted that toe others joined his ii his opposition.—(thr E. Knatchbull—" Some few.") — That int loord the leaders, .r course. nod be had received the iitstiraures of all those Noble persons who were there pre sent, that they bad voted against it. So that iti spite of op position of the IVhig leaded*—in spite of the speech of one and the votes of the othcm.againat it, the obaoxioas Resolu tios was carried. How absurd then was it to blame the Whi leaders lie was at a loss to know what his Hon. Friend (Mi. Calaraft) would hive had them do further. Upon the solemn assertion aperrona who were present—persimi who had been accustomed to obserie public meetings, lie roald assure the lignite that it was the opmion of those persons that the mime of the meet tog o as decidedly to favour of the proposition; and on that optimist it was that they acted in limiting their opines ilium to it. Him own upiniuu was, that if a clear explana. Iwo had been given of the nature of the pioposiltun it would sat It ire been ...looted into the body of the petition. He understood the meat log to have hero execedingly Numerous and highly respectable, of persona not of one pasty alone, lint of all !polies; that It wa. nut merely a Whig met tiny, but attended by malty who were sinsitaehed to any particular parlyouid Ity a limier somber of perms,: distinctly belougitor to the party of the Hirouurable Bascom.. No man could dray that at far as reward the subject of the distress, sad of Parlianummry Reform, the Petition expressed ihe deliberate slam of the whole meeting; used the propo.i. Owe objieted in hayloft berm adopted us so anixrcied proposal, he did suit blame tin to roe sot irmistiug it. hut he did thick that it was adopted only At e the want o f full doicussioo. He protested avows' Ilse essimiasioa which the Noble Lind wished to establish, that au weight of credit should be giiess to Petitions from such soettiopre as that, be cause an accident of that kind happened. He loped the people of thus imuotry would eentossue to hold sorb meetings, IV impress ibeir opinion of the distress of the comm. ,the Jaeger to which it was exposed, and the tosses to which they Itstogoird it t and he would say, that even with respect to such lllNOpeleall.lll , as this, the more they were discuieed and explained, even fur the sake of public credit, the bet ter, and the more toosioced the people world become that umlaute bat an imerwbelasiag necessity, excluding all idea of r.weed Or choice, amid justify a breach of faith vita the public creditor. Mr. CA Wits% FT said, the Hos. and !Agreed Gentleman hituaelf had CONIC resod IS the proposition, whiXll be (Me, Calera') hiinfelf had sisrlea. that if the qnsation had %en discussed, the clause would not have been adopted. and It was wily for not discimusisig it, that Le (Mr. Cairreft) had blamed those who *ere et the sneetint. fir E KNATCH BULL was umlerstood to asseverate, that the persons he had anode.) to 'sushi not disco.; the quo. tints; Cad one Noble Lord in particular was celled or, Ly name to deliver his sentiments, but he s efuacd. Mr. HONYVVOOD said, the Noble Lord Minded to by his Hun. Colleague, he knew to be opposed to the proposition from s conversation he had with him on the sulijset, mud he had 'pleaded to addriss the tueetiag, but from the hest and length !arbor hr had been pest op he a crowded waggon, he alra• obliged to forego that nitentioll. Mr. BROUGHAM repeated that the persons in question not only Itniertaiteed opiunins against the propuritien, and expressed those °pitiless in private conversation, but they uted agXinst them publicly in the m lour usual on such iv-casinos—by holding up their hands ; and our Noble Lord did make a speech expressly autism the mutton, and was nut sparing in the acerbity of big oh ions on the quitter from which it proceeded. The Marquis of LONDONDERRY put it to the judg. meat of the House whether be had uttered a single rapes mien against county meetings. All he lint said was, that if such meetings did amigo to a reformed Psrliament the duty of spoliation of the public creditor, as had bees dune to this inalanee, though he did not think litany county meetings would su far diogrece thernselvea, it would b. the enure ne cessary that Parliament should be so constituted as to be able to exercise a sound judgment of its own as to any mural or unjust proposal that might be suholitted to it, and that the representatives of the people should he able to diacrimina.e for themeelves the wisdom and expediency of the opinions rupee saed In this Petitious emanating from such meetings—(Hear, hear.) Mr. BROUGHAM said that not one tittle of the obnoxi. 011 s passage in the Petition wawa jet abre censurable, or in. deed half so blameable, either in point of expediency or of justice, as the policy which the Noble Lord and his col league in the edministation had pursued fur so many years of deptecisting the carreney.—(Grest cheering from both sides.) _ . _ Lord CLIFTON said it might appear strange that he rhould come fore and in imam sort to criminate himself, but lie must say that he did think there was a great want of spirit on the part of the Whig leaders at the meeting in not resist ing the proposition. A Noble Friend of his hail made s speech against it ; and after that he (Lord Cllflun) did out feel himself called upon to a.iy any thing on the subject, as it could rot be supposed that any oh tMos of leis would have give. additional weight to the argum.uts of that speech. He could not conceive how Mr CoLbett could bare got so complete possession of the meeting. He Moped it would be a warning to gentlemen how they refrained front resisting such attempts iu future, and alloyed pet itioaa peei. pining such a remedy fur the public distresses to be scut up a. the petitions of meetings at which they attended. Mr. PEEL said he most say that he thought the manly and becoming confession of the Noble Lord much more tended to set the couuty of Kent right with the people of England that the &tepee of the Hun. end Learned Gentle. man.—(Cheeit.)—The surprise expressed by the Noble Lord, as to the cause of Mr. C.bbest's influence over the meeting, had been answered by the Noble Lord himself. He bed assigned the cause iu the comenencenseot of Lis speech. It was because he bad not been manfully opposed What was the 'glance brought acainst the msesiug—that it petitioned for Parliamentary fti form ? No; hilt that a adopted a pro posal reeornamadiag a direct breach of public faith. VI bat was the charge urged osmium the Noble Lords and Gentle. men of rook who atleoded the meeting? That they did not explair to the freeholders the nature of the proposition. The Honourable and Learned Gentleman himself said, that if it had been fully discussed, the meeting would have re jected it ; he therefore justified the blame which had beets east on the meeting. The only attack on public meetings was made by the adoption of such propositions. With regard to tlee proposition in the Petition for reducing the interest of the debt, though crude and isdigrsted, it was manly and direct, and on ihat arrouat tofinittly prefixable to the cir• cuitous proposiitions, and dark •nd distant hints that were much made use of in other quarters.—(Cheers ) Mr. H. G. BENNETT Raul, be was not at all surprised that the ciliation of Parliament and Government sisoubl have corrupted the honest fettles , * of the people, and led 'hem to look to other sutures for relit f tbau those which they World otherwise have sought. He roasidvred the adoption of this proposition, lbouever, as a burst of feel* from persons ea. sembled to discuss the grievaneie which they sorely fell, and seeking for relief 'melee circumstances that had Hever before occurred to them, sod out as the deliberate act of the meeting. Mr. WESTERN rat il his surprise st the consummate impudence, for he could call it by no other name. with which the lion. Gentleman opposite, and his Hon. Friend (Mr. Caterers) bilis, him, iltionniicid the Freeholder' of the County of Keut fur dishonesty in making niche proioosal, after the Parliametit bad for the last twessiplive years sanctioued the Goveinment ht defrauding Ilitt ertditter 'at one period, and the debtor at assotber.—(Cbeers.),...He was astuaisherl to bear Gentlemen talk on this subject as if faith was to hr kept with the public re , ditos usly, and out wills the debtor also,—(hear, hear, hear)—as if Mae only "emus to be considered w. re ilioae situ rec.-lard the taxes, mid those who paid them were to be 1•• ft Pout ly out of con. sideration. It was the influence of the grntle•nau who attended the meeting (be meant Mr. Colihrtt) lira had ex. trotted that opinion from it, w•hh•h was expre.sed in the Petition. But it was their own feeling of the distress and ruin that surrounded them, shseh convinced them that the moment of overwhelming necessity was already Nrrivsoll.—. (Cheers.)—For be would pot it to the Noble Lord whether any men io the condition of Ihosr persons, seeing perhaps the moment arrived when the whole fruits of their industry acid labour were to be taken from them, could imagine any thing else but that that was the moniciii of overwhelming necessity.—(Clieers.) , Mr. HUME thought the Noble Lord bad endeavoured to fix no undue a h a•e of the &Mutilate of the House upon the donee is question, in order is ward edT its aisentina (runs she more important part of the Petition. The °bier. linnable clause prayed that she Honor would be pleased to make • justly reduction of 'lie interest Or the debt—(Hear, hear)—aa soon as they had reformid ilormselvre. Had ant the Chancellor of the Excliettoer already to use Wanner re. dared the interest from sin door cent ? Aid did he sit anticipate still Nob*, erdarlinu ? But the Petition also slated, that " they had seen every *bows defrotted. and every proposal fur retsearbuient rijected, or so ',toddled as to be rendered ougalory." And w■s not that time? Had they nit contented themselves with rirdarlag petty clerks with small salaries, while they retained all the high paid ollieers, who might be even more advaidagrously thapenard with ? Hod they meddled with any of lb. larger establialimsnta? Had th►y redneed the motif of the array ? Had then mil left most' o the r soperdeitiei entombed? He hail no liestation Ir saying that it was sloth voles as those "(the Honourable Barnett OW E. Knatelibull), said other., who wwted as he did, that had betrayed the freeholders of Kent into the ex position of what be now desoluoted es o dishonest opinion. Sir FRANCIS BLitt VETT said, he did Hot think the men of treat bad bees treated with justice, uur the llonirmalile Meagher who broaghsl forward site Petitios,. lie thought the Honourable Harnett (bir &tweed Kiiiitchbull) was ten to moo more Inwood to perform the snarly duty of oppositig the rider added to the retitle* than the other Hon. Measlier. whose sentiments accorded with the general geniis/tents of the nteetiog. The seen of Kent had out amid they would 110 i pay 20a. in the putted to the public creditor, but there might be persona there who thought they ought to pay 308. is the paused. That he thought was a point sin which lacrimal might estertain Jiff opinions without bring called lard aseste. Let the Finauce Minister make out that the pro. position was dishonest, sod be would answer for it Ilse . great ('sulk of the people would gree to ii. He was happy to ...ppm' the Petition, and he would sny that no one had a right to brand any person el:insetted with the Po. titian wills dimbusiessi Mr. MON t Kenai I. wool./ mill Ortil to the Noble Marini., nor to airy oilier man, on regard to pubic faith end national honour; no i'ar was he from wishiug to deprive any man of Isis rights, 'bat he coni.•nded the old public creditor, who trot his mosey before I'M, had had great injustice done him; but th ere sa s a great difference beteeen him soil the pew public crc litur, wino had adrauced lass moue, in a prectatt.4 paper sot coureitible tutu gold —a cut ulativa which he could eornatre to nothing but the assignals issued by the French Convention. Mr. WILSON protested against the comparing of the Bank notes to 'miens'.. Mr. G. R. PHILLI Pit said, that great as the sufferings of the people now were, they irould be incalculably in. creased by a mare loan) thing like a system uf depreciation. Mr. LOCKHART dad not think the vote of Ike House as in the value of the Hank note in 1811, ought lu argument to be tir=ed on the ground it usually was. The House voted the Bank notes equal to gold to support the public credit of the country, a, Oliver Cromwell, adieu be had ea provisions in his ramp, ordered a general fast. Mr J. MARTIN would not oppose the Pentacle being re rehke‘l, as he believed it came from persons who were quo. rani df the nature of the proposinon it committed. •On the qne , tinir for the Petition being printert—.- Mr. BROUGHAM agreed walla what had fallen from the Hun. Member far Reading,.. to the similarity of the Bank note and the assignat. Step by sten the same measures were taken by our Government r* Ilse French Goverumetit took ; they did sot advance quite .o in-, Lot on the other h sad the Freneb C Imo never ainerted the gross absurdity that we did Is 1811 Though that Cuntent was swayed by mobs and clam .tir, they never had the absurdity sad die. honesty (If it were dohoto a%) to say that the assienst was equal to the lutns.cror of Fra..ee. When the Right Hon. Gratlenzau said he would pleler the honesty of su open at. tack dram any circuitous nod ausidlour asssult on the public faith, that description applied to no one on his (Mr. 111.'0 side of the House, bum it or ir dto those who first debased the currency, among, who•o the Right Hon. Cattleman was sitting. 11 was en sit of irsud and rapine, inindisrus mid base, tr•echprous as well as viulent,aud they only ought tip seep the fruits of it. _ . Mr. PEEL admitted that he had meant to refer to the Hon. and Leased Gentleman, and to the Hun. Member fu► Shrewsbs►y. He had said he preferred an open attack to any insidiesm talk of accesoity, berm's* he believed thatat.eb language tended to create lust ISITPONIii, and because he I hou . ght tint, I. public as in private atf.ire, it ems improper to state eases in chick rnbberry might be jostifiable. Mr. H. G. BENNETT said, be still held that if bad borrowed tls . It was a fraud for any one to call spina him to pay 30s. He did chore hi. Majesty's Government with bowing cheated both pubic and private el...damns, but he had never let out of his bpi she iliohoueot sentiment of not pay tog the pkblic creditor; hut to enable no to do that the Mi flamers soot to remit taxes, and above all to 'emit that measure of apoliation, the sinking food. The Martinis of LONDONDERRY had no intention to protract the discussion, 1111 r to imitate the peculiar tone and temper of the H.... Gentleman who bad jaat sat down. If the Hou. Measlier meant to heroine the avowed patron of re volutionary proere•hnga. be must get better pretexts than any be had pat forth that nicht, for nothing was more cle.irly understood than that the capital advanced was to be paid iu we. lies nioary at the end of the war. Mr.HICARIxI armed in opinion with the Hon. Baronet (Sir Francis Burdett), and was desirum of receiving the Petition. • Mr. HUME said it was rather too much fur Ilse Noble Marquis to complain of harsh language, adieu he pewit'. ally made use of narsber laugusSe than any Membrr uu that side of the House. After a few words from the Marquis or Londonderry, Mr. H. G. Bennett, and Mr. Calcraft, the Petition was ordered to be printed. Air J. NEWPORT gave notice that when the Irish Min. eellancuu• E.timate came before the House he whoutd more that the sum to be toted for Mayeeeth College should be 13,0001. OW at .11.-..(Hear, bear, bear.)—The cry of innovation must, he thought, be at an end. He did nut Rod that is the time of Edward 111. or &unix the infasicy Henry V., any trace of these vulgar prejudices which were said to prevail on theput of the people of England against foreigners, and which was now used as an argument in the Wow of Com mons in favutir of the preseat measure. Ile took the grounds of this non 16 be, that, without it passed, conspiracies against furriest Governments would or might be entered into in this com.iry. But so such statement ap peared in the preamble of the Bill. Now he wish. ed to ask whether the prevention of conspiracies were, under the lOW of nations, a duty who h was ueri•g to • friendly Government? If it were our duty to prey.ut, it was also our duty to detect sod discover them. To do that it would be necessary to liege a body of apics for every coon try-s4oe Austria, Freesia, Rowe, Spain, and above all. fur Turkey, whirls at present wee most enslaugered by conspi rators. If it were our duty to attain the end, it was our ditty to employ the means. The Hononeable Member pro ceeded to argue at great length the evils that solid arise from admitting the principle; bet it might be said, though not a positive duty, it was a duty of good neigh bourhood. A Noble Earl, at the head of his Majesty's Governmewt in soother place, said that there were 1114) eau tending principles in Europe at present, the one he cal!ed the Revolutionary, stud the toiler the Monarchical principle; snit he stated that it was the duly of this cusatry to p a pear' t neutrality between thins; bet if it were not a dirty to prevent and detect eouspiracirs easiest a tortilla Gwent. mane, then it was a voluntary departure from that seestrality which was said to lie oar ditty. It was pa.- j gist, being is favour of all Goverameals, boaerer de spotir— tod against all Insurgesita, however oppressed. It was • law aimed entirely et the defeated and the miserable, against those who fled from waists mad scaffolds, mad upon them they were to be thrown bark by this ementry,aurieatly, buww• fur its koepitality.--(Heat, hear.)—lf the Bill pulsed we rhosild be assailed with eosin...at demigods by Foreign Governasesits, and should no luoger have the simple answer II make, "It is sot it oar pusses " We could so larger say that aliens were equally wider the protection of one lass, and that we had mot the glorious power existing with star fries& in Turkey, amid with our late ewe. mice in Algiers, of banishing whom we would. The Hon. Member examined the merits of those Goveransents for whom we were called Upoll to make this inroad ou our ancient policy, and argued, on the authority of the cir cular letter r f the Marquis of Londonderry to the Fortiet h Ministers. on the occasiuts of Austria invading Naples (which he ral'ed the lint Catholic epistle of the N o bl e Lord), that if these Governmei.ts did not treat &vetoed In the saute moo. nee as they did Altar Slates, it was want of power only that mole the dtffereace. He inalauctid the domitiation iced by Austria over Switzerland, in regard to political fugitives who had taken refuge there, and then stated, in Keitersl terms, some imilituces of ijranisy exercised on individuate. lie would not particularize, as he ;sighed Out to expose either the unfortunate persuile themselves, or his informant-, to the operation ot that oyster's of esponinge that pelvaded alt Europe. He begged p 'eths of the Honer f r having employed • foreign word, but on this ore isiou he could not avussi ii, and he rejoiced that the language of free men had no wood to describe that abominable spits-i•. The Hon. Member shortly recapitulated, and concluded by moving, That the Bill be read a second time that day Cx 011.1111hs. Mr. PLUNKETT said there never ells an occasion r.a which the powers of h's Hon. sod Learned Friend pressed iiiio his aremosests topics which in others would be condemned us irrelevant than the applause with which his speech had been heard by both sides of the House. He did not propose, even if he hail the ability, to follow him throughlbe widely, a. tended range which he had chose° to take. The qoe•tiout wa.., whether the Alias Bit which posed in 1820, should be renew• •I fur two years lunge.? He felt a cotwiderable degree of ul,lii. witty to executigis the task imposed open him--(Hear. hear,) —more particularly as the tone assumed made it Necessary fur every person who ventured to •ustaio the measereon enter spins his owe defence—(loud chrer.l—under eireornstauera of discourtesy which did not often take place; but, backed by the opinion of the people sad Parliament of England, much of his apprehension was removed. The Bill did not touch any of the rights and privileges which Aliens ever enjoyed whilst in this kingdom, on the contrary, they were under the full protectios of every one of them.—(Herr, bear.)—lt was not denied that such a power existed somewhere in every Star, however free or however derpolic. It win nut an "ti• notation in this country—it wen an expedient to meet the exigency of the moment. It was a practice founded on the. ancient principle, of the law of the land, and only regulatid and adapted to the particular circumstances of the riot,. With respect to the exercise of such a power it could net be safely lodged any where hot in the Executive ; nor could it be exercised otherwise. There was no lawyer who, consulting the principles of the Constitution, and the enslaves of legal iustilotionr, would deny that this pow, r was inherent in the Crown. 'The sllegiance of a foreigaer was sot limited like that of a native, for he might witlidiew it whenever he pleased. If the allegiance were limited, the protection afforded to the alien must in like manner be Ii muted ; and the Sovereign must have a right to remote bin whenever his residence may become dengrreu..— The analogies of a similar power in the Crown wets: numerous. The power of issuing soils to present • saner from leaving the country; of ordering him to return after 1,.. may have left ; of proclaiming pence or war ; mid of order i stg alien corium, to leave the country. Authorities were de manded for the exercise of this power; and nu lesa that, flee itistances bad been gives from the reign of Queen Elizabeth. But modern cases were called for. That was nut a fair way of dealing wills Ike question. When it d the purpose, the opponents of the measure look shelter in antiquity; but when that was metes' them, they called fur modern autho rities. It was asked whether any decisions in support of such • prerogative in the Crown had been given in Westminster Hall. But he would ask, whether any such drelli (((( had takes place io respect of the prerogative in the case of alien enemies ? Aod yet that prerogative was never 'questioneut, although it had long lain uoexercieed. Now what founds. tins was there in argument for denying the existebce of the power with regard to alien friends, which was • admitted with regard to allies enemies, merely from the absence of modern decisios in its favour, or from the lone disc ontniustace of its Me ? The Right Honourable and Learued Gentleman then proceeded to notice the ,),F,....Ht sorts of danger which this country had had to appieln-nil from abroad, in the times sitharquent to the reign or Elisa beth down to the year 1703, which be resolved into foreign arms and dioeffected subjects residing abroad: the former were to be met with •rms, the latter by the laws, and 'wither required the exercise of this power. Rut its 1793 • new &ti ger arose in the influence of those anarchical principles which the demon that had usurped the poswasio• of the throne, awl the minds of the people of France, who had burst from the ir chews berme they wire fit for freedom, had engentleied; owl which it had become a part of their sworn policy to don ermiriate throughout Europe. To protect the country from that danger, the revival of this dormant power °Cabe Crown was necessary; and he appealed to those who had survived the dangers of that period to say whether the preservation of the cOontry was not noun Ils the measures that were then adopted, of which this was a main feature. Hr did nut meat, to assert that the dangers of that period existed et present; he believed that the fan tastic figures which the French of that period bad trick , d out in the robes and drapery of ft eedom, had long since Seen pat down. If they existed at all at present, it was only is the olisteerity of the darkest places. Hot among the utinstarr of aliens whom the cum se of events drove to *tuck a r. foge upon our shores, were 111311 mischievous nod dean ; cling Cho oo ett rs, who only sunght for a pace where they might in secu rity prosecute their plots and isitrigoes against (matzo states i sad it wan incumbent on the Gavel-omega of this cousin' , to ;newest such proceedings which might endanger our foreign relations ; distil no less so to protect our owe populetion from the rontaminstine influence of the principle and in trigues of such persons. The provisions of the Act did nut go to present the arrival of foreigners in this (-wintry ; but wily to require their compliance with certain formalities, after which they were at liberty to go to any part of sir king dom, subject to removal by order of the Privy Couticily if they were discovered to be dangerous persons; and the re gelation, fur the exercise of that poem' were the only urea under w birth it could be safely and efficiently exereivil. It was the only way of patting down the intrigue, and ClDUipl racks aforeiguer• id this cultutry agaiust foretgo totem- , I ALIEN BILL. On the Order of the Day tor the second reading of the Alien Ball— Sir J. MACKINTOSH rose. and after alluding to the die- I cession which had just closed, said that he should not have troubled the Huu.e if it had nut appeared to him that the whole quest i .n of legislation as it regarded the alien had been put in new ground. We hail had triennial and biennial Alien Bills. At first it was proposed as part of the measnres necessary uu the transition from peace to war. la 1916 they were not to make too great • jump—in 1916 there won souther reason soden. d—in I b2O the measureless defended I e.t the Neapolitans aught propagate tentialts at Manchester and sedition at Birmingham ; but now that all the pretexts were done with, they most be looked upos as the most frivolous and ridicalons that were ever adopted as the foundation of !egos. biting uu a great measure. But those pretexts all acknow ledged that the measures were temporary—al least that me. tit belonged to Aliens all. A new situation had now arisen, and the House was to decide, not whether the Alien Bill was to be consideied as an expedient to which occasional recourse Might be necessary, or whether it was to be added to the general body of our laws as a ne cessary measure which the fully of our ancestor% had failed to adopt. The first objection be hail to the 'masque was, that it placed 25,000 subjects of a free state in the con dition of political slavery. The second charge be bad aga nit tt* was, that besides its injustice and oppression, it Would artustum the citizens of a fire state to the practice of slaeer y, and he was sore that it was the last power which an honest Minister would de.ire, or • wise Commonwealth suffer to be evtablished. To pass from political objections to those which ease hose to every man's baptisms and bosom, his third *Nicole's was, that the power was arbitrary and Might be exerted ruinously to innocent individuals. it was a power likely to be abused, because the Wiwi deals, to exerehe that power, bed not their judgments stalled by those forms which in all ages bad been found neces sary for the protection of immense, agaiust the errors of those who exercised power. This was • power sure to be abused; it was the must irresponsible power ever given to noen. If he were called span to make • short cutup endiurs of tyranny, be world only love to de.cribe the powers and operation of this Bill. It not Duly armed the Government with ty voltaic power, hat it gave to individeals in private society the same powers which ii pretended to give to the Govern. meat only. What ought be the effect os foreign wit uess-s ? Ile would oily allude to that topic, as there were Hou. Member. fully competent to speak certainty on it. But thus much he would say, that ignorant as foreigners were of the spirit of our laws, of the influence and control of opi ✓iots. and, he would also say, of the character of those who edmini.ter the law—it was a natural consequence that the timid might dread its power, and the wicked avail himself of its terrnes, to Impede the course of jo•tiee, and this objec tion did out anomie& any abase of the BIS or those whom it empowered. There was snob r objection, Chit whether &noted ur not, the knowledge of its exioence most ne cessarily prevent many meritorious men from necktie re fuge in this kind as in furore days, for they would out trust men though they might trust laws. The alien who came bere sow could no longer brave hi• op• proem ; he was not received as forme. ly, but with a brand .opuu his forehead. It could nut be 'tried from the gamu t...re that sere here, that none were deterred Guns coming. Though 50,000 peewee fled Iron' the tyranny of Louis XIV. loud the Edict of haute, yet numbers still remained behind. We were told that we lived In an age of rivolutions. lie should have thought it proper to ossusge the irritation, to base given every facility to vanquished parties to withdraw, nnJ nut by keeping them peuued up, force on them the necessity of selling their liver as dearly as possible. To admit this law, the pr..pusers thi• measure were now willing t.t degrade our aiseont law, and stigmatize Magna Chart+, which had the honour of being the flat law framed to !Totem slices; they had desecrated their country, and de graded its COsisSitollisis in the rte. of fore goers, who had fiddly believed the institosons 1,1 F.4lE:and not only secured the freedom of Enalishnsen, hot afforded protective to fo reigoers, who crowded to it from quarter of the world. It had been conteeded that the protection of our ancient sta tute* was confined to merchants only, bat the Act of Ed ward 111. added the words, " and ntl other aliens." And the mat ute of HenryYl. which regarded 40 freeholders, expoesaly stated, that it was" to give aliens greater courage and desire lu come ht this threatry." He would ask the House whether the operation of the Alien Bill were not to give leis and less drove to aliens to come to this ementry ? whether it was not, is feel, the antipode of that Bill ? How opposite were the masses of our ancrstots from those of the present day. They were out content with allowing the trial by jury to aliens, but they provided that so alien should be punished for say offence without having had a Jury of half foretellers, whilst we enabled the King's Govern. maul to imprint" any number of fureiren frithout any