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0 - • .. :/; • i y ~a 4 ti) 7 1;" . :1 w • ti = \N z x • , • I II \ J• • " ,•, • ' • NI, ,~: ~,, `'~, i , , 4' ! 4 4,4l)Efirt. : &G4) • t „ (~~4~ ~ :; ~: _.-;.- o . ll'l cir. , Numnriat 4638.] TUE S Y, .Iyiy 28; 1807. Si PE and for other pnrpOsei,. 'Lifter ,a few ob sen'ations from Lord HENRY PETTY, declaiing his cordial eoti- IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT HOUSE OF PEERS. currence in themeasure. Generalsnattaiml presented a Petition signed by nearly one thonsand merchants; traders, and inhabi tants of the City 'Of LiVerpOol, against the East India Bond. Bill. The Petition stated,' that accord ing to the .official doeinnants,..it .appeared that there was an excess in the elependitureabove she revenue Of -the Compact y; that the 500,006 i. participation had tv ail but once paid to the public since the year ,17)4, and prayed that 'the Company might not .be allowed to raise - More money on their bonds, till a full - inquiry should be, made into its affairs, in. order to ascertain what funds the Cothpany had to guran tee repayment. The Petition was then ordered to ,`", • lie on the . table. Mr. Hoanouss brought up the Report — 54 the Oertuau Linen Bill; which was ordered to be read a MONDAY, JULY 27. Counsel was heard in the Appeal " Wilson v. Alexao.ier," and the farther consideration was post poned t d Thursday bext. . HOMIOUISE brotrght up from the Commons tie Annual Indemnity Hill, and the King's Property Bill; and Mr. SWAN and others brought up several Private Bills ; which were read a first time, And or dered to lie upon the. Table. Earl FITZWILLIAM moved for several Returns re• lative to the Army ; which were ordered. AMERICA. Lord HO LVIIND requested to be informed whe ther it was the intention of his Majesty's Ministers to make any communication to Parliament reseeding a subjea' Which bad caused much anxiety in his mind; he meant the reported commencement of Hostilities between this Count ry and the United States of Ame!- rica.. It inch' a calamity must take place, he trusted that theluilest: information. would be laid before Parliament,' in odder that they might be enabled-to ascertain, the causes which had led to it. third time to-morrow. The Military Commissioners . Bill was read a second time, and ordered to be committed to- mt,rrow. FIANIBUR(111 MAT i.S RETURNED. - • ' Mr. HUSKISSON, after adverting to the efforts employed by theerierny to -prevent 'the passage of letters written in the'EngliSh language, on the Con tinent, Stated, thatlhe'mails which had been made up for Flanthnrgli,.'in ,the' end -of November last, had; after Many' ineffectual efforts to forward them, been returned•ta the- Ng-office in• this country. The letters must 'of 'Course` -contain' securities for property toa considerable amount; 'Windt it would be destrable •to return Iw-the' 'owners. The Post Masters had not.now the "authority to open such • letters; he proposed, therefere, to move for leave to bring in 'a Bill to authorise the Post Masters Gene— ral to open all such letters in the' presence of the clairntnits, who should be required to describe thL-ir contents, and to'furnish a"ts'pecimett of the .• hand writing contained in the letters ,claimed. Lea e was then given to bring in a to •authorke the Post Masters to open the letters- contained in the' Mail4 l made-up fOrtiamburgh the 18th, 21st, 46th, and 88th Of November last, and since,- which were now in the'Post Office, in' order that they might be return ed; with'any inclosures they may - contain, to the Writers. Lr» d H4IIWESBURY said he was not autho rized ot enabled to mike any communication at• pre. sent relative ti) the subject alluded to by the Noble Lord. fie admitted that in case hostilities did. take place between this Country and the United States of America, .art eient which would be deplored by his Majesty's Minister, equally wi th the Noble Lord, that the fullest information relative tasuch a subjeq ought to be laid.netore Parliament. He could not, however, at, present, make any communication) , and the Noble Lord must be aware that a premature discussion might be productive of very injurious etleets. The second reading .of th e Offices' .Reversion• Bill was ordered for Monday next. The Traders' Assets Bill, after a few observations, Was read a second t ape,. and committed for Monday. The Parish Apprentice Bill was, by unanimous consent, ordered to be read a second time this day three months s all.parties agreeing that it required. More consideration than could be bestowed on it this Session ,--Adjourned. • ROUSE OF COMMONS, tOREIGN TRIT,‘TIES AND'ANIERIcAIsIPRACAS. 'Ltird CASTLEItEnnn moved the Order of the Day for the second reading of the Rill for allowing a-cer tain proportion Of the Militia of-0.'61 - Britain to volunteer for general service. ' Mrs.:TV. HIT B IiBAD then rose and observed, that he' had waited= to the• la . st moment in the hope of seeing the . Right Hon - . the Foreign Secretary 'in his 'three, thdt he 'might put to 'him seine questions.' He• could not, however, let the present . 06easion pass by Witho'ut submitting these questions in the Right Hon. Gentleman opposite (the. Chancellor Of the Exchequer): It would be iit the , reCO!lOiatrof the House' that the 'Right Honott ra 'Gentletiino; whose absence' he had alluded - to, had',oll a' former night, in reply to a question tint by hint, resPeting' the Treaties or 'fingagenienti with FOteigh-V6Wi_vs; noticed in. the Speech at the Commencettitit"Of the 'Session, stated, that .haltad'reason • toi he'Sbottld be authorised to lay thece . TreAletAelitre the House, either the week before 134 i for at.'farthest. He Wished to' know then; ‘kbeiftliiis•' coMmunication tvrictld'tie made/6 the Was not his intention', howdvef, to "pre s' flit- the' communication, unless it' could ' be made without inconvenience to the public service but it was tirr:•' tural, in the present' state of the' Sbsion, that he should feel'eonsiderable anxiety to 'have the Treaties laid before the-House .as expeditiously'' He bad also - anotherquestion to ask the Righttlett." Gentleman; concerning the verY alarifiin; , event; 6f • which intelligence : had:teen received' 4itlier the diiy Ibtfore, or the day' pteCeding' that; ii'espe6ting ''the 'capture of an American 'Frigate by a'British VesSel.: :This event Was felt by him', and- writ id be- tilt 'by • every sober and refte!ting person in the nation,' fo' , be in the highest degree aiiirming. Whatfletifistted' to asklwas, whether any 'cotinututieatien. had been ' received by his Majesty's 'Gnvernment of the eir- ' c iimstances 'that had led to this`transatztion.? Whether the Officer conceened had acted upon insttuotions furnished to him by the Government at home, or upon, his own. feeling-df duty or propriety ? and whether it Wa's the intention of his llttjesty's Mini stets to make any couttnunication to the House upon ' a the tobte4 . The CIIANCE,T,L9R in the absence of hit' . Right Hon. Friend, woun answer the questiOns a the Hon. Gentleman.. assured flie Hon. MetibLit,, that it was the intention of his Right Hon. Frieiletti 'make the ConiMunica ticin he proMised, At the same time lie, .must observe, that' his Right Hon. 'Friend bad, nOt intimated, that he Wveuld lay a Trea,ty a Treaties before the House.' *The Hen. , Member and the Heim Wouldrecollet, that, in what passed on the, former night,' his lei rht Hon. Friend had stated only that the Triaty alluded to del6nded ' Upon contiogeinty Which: contingency; if it should not 'take placey - kveuld'render it nntieceisary en produce the Treatytdthe 'flange. ItwoUld not, he was sure, be expected . frmn him td stAte, what Was to be the nature • of the • cenrianiCation, 9 4hich his Right ' Hun. Friend'intended . tci make. :his only he should observe, that such 'cdininneication would he made itv-rriorrow . With 'respect to the" other que , ition of the Hen. Gentleman; he Should 'hope that there, would be no yeeesSity toll:sake' any Communication upon the stibjea. What Ike` should itate'at present Was, that as a Nlember of hislVfaje,ty's GoVern- Ment, he was not in possession flit all the circum stancea of the case, and could kir therefore make any clistina communication Upon the Subjett. All he shoeld'say was, that . if, upon` receiving the ne cessary infermation, it - shfiuld appear that there Was any t hii i g improper or utijnstifiable in the cohdtA of the Officer concernedi there cettainly would be • • • . . . . . MONDAY, JULY 27. • Mr. Itzw.tor LA4CLLLES took the oaths and his 4.4: • t„ ,i Mr, ScevelY, from the Tost. Office, presented at the Bar an Account of the gross and net Produce of thelte\.enee of the Post Office, from the ~sth ,of .4ril, 'OO3. to the .sth of J4nuary, 1807, distill t.,,lishing each year, ppo the dedudion by franking'. Ordered to lie on the table. . The_ Exchequer WV, Bill, his Majesty's. Property. Bill, the Getiefol ledemnity Bill, Curacoa ?zee Port' India Regulation Bill, Excise Regnlation Bah . and Malt Regulation Bill, were read 'a third. time, *pa passed, . , . • The Committee, on the Coffee Warehousing Bill was put off tiato-morrow. . ~ • It was ordered„, that it be an instrii6lion to the Committee on the Relief Bill, that they have power to divide the Bill. - It Was also ordered, : on the Motion of Mr. Wit 17.... BREAD, that the further consideration of the Report of the Parish School Bill be deferred to 'Thursday. Mr. WHITBREAD hav ing previously stated, .that as he understood many on., Gentlemen were •desir ous of delivering their sentiments, tipon the measure, lie did not Wish to delay the important , dismission fixed for this evening, by bringing en the -.debate 'Ton the Bill. , • The House having resolved into a Committee, on they of Mr. ROSE, teconsider of the propriety r i Perniitting the importation of certain enumerated article, into the British West India Colonies from IP.e United StateS of America, and the exportation of enum 6 r ated'articles from the British W'est • India Colonies to the Uoited. States, aireed to a Resolution to that etre& ; And the House baiing re siairleci; the Chairman reported, and moved for, and; obtained, leave to bring in a Bill accordingly.. .The Zincipal articles in the former case are provisions, pitch, and tar ; and in the latter; gypsum, an article eonsiderahle use in the United States r ,' Pn the third yacht* of, the I,endon Port Improve ment Bill 't conversation tools . place between Mr. ti ' , who stated, O - ta the authority of seVe- N respeetable persons, a liSeof whose names he had Itl his pocket, that several grievances were felt by l c !'iein from the 'Condu4t AfilteWest India Dock' In stitution 'Messrs. Aldermen SHAW and Comea; and Nir who defended with much ability !wl zeal' the ManageMent and direction of the West 2ttGiic t luck Cenioank. The Bill was then read'a tl tn • tank= and ;PAIIPLIF • ' • ARMY cyTkijNc.i. Mr. Cocnti.l is Autsswesr.ohterved, ,that fifteen . . ' l ,)'s had el.ipstl since certain ; Papers inityFd for by. e. ...As he had been ordered by the Hom 'lot bring forward the Motion of which he ha4gjv'en n ut ke, till thetie,PapeHs should 'lie laid on the table , , 4 44 then to save, that the Pa should be Pre-, stilted forthwiili. Mr. Lox t_e iitfarn7ed the Hon.. Gentleman, that 4 1 1- due chligenc' e had been used in the different offices, to forward the, Acciiiurts' , . They.would awake a large folio yoluine, and unless the 130/1. Member should mace some.alteration in his . ,tnetif . m,..or poiht Put wlnlf manner it lwas to be expedited, he was afraiti that the return could not Possibly 1u wedeln. any convenient time to the order. • Mr. Coe tee ANZ J onxsT.6NE observed„ that though thee statement.of the Hon. Gentleman might apply to ether parts of his moticin, it could not ,to that which related to the clothing of the army, . I \jr..l - 11ustussoN'obtained leave to bring a Bill for the more etf ectea l c h arg i ng p f AceonOtauts with interest for 14, aces of Public Motley in their finds, • every Wish on the part of his Majesty's Ministers destroy the regular recruiting. It wasaeinerk stile to make the fullesfreparaticin that the nature of-the -too that the plan of the. Noble Lord aleparteel case would admit Cif. ,He was convinced the Houk, the precedents of.volunteering.'intaithelsine.' , would feel, that it would - pot be . just to iinpute volunteering in 1709 had not - beenstiellowedthYsis blame in any quarter before a knowledge of all the. 1 lot. A smiler volunteering from'tles had taken . - circumstances' of the transa6tion should afford the place during the present war, and liadnot been sec means of •a fair and impartial judgment. ceeded by the ballot. n.This constituted . an essential Mr. HIT BREAp disclaimed any idea. of . irns t difference between the present end tbe Simper. eases... puling blame'to any man, and• was glad that he had Though lieeilsjsitted to theeiholeoPtheimeasurd; asked the internist:ion, because the auswer he had rmight beindtrced , perhapsaoswithdraw, shis oppdsi. received from 'the - Right Hon. Gentleman afforded lion to it if otiestestwo pointse?were to, ;be ceded to. hiM great consolation. The Right Hon. Gentleman , him. The first was that Anil proOkssition,shotild must remember, as to his first question, that the made,-undersdny . circornitances, tosthe .men who-. Right Hon. the Foreign Secretary had' expresklys should volunteersteenlistlior a longertertn „than that: mentioned Etigrientents with Foreign' Powers. sandioned , by . ,the system:adiatued.laat ,Atiat The CHAIVLELLOR 'gf' the EXCHEQUEfif other Was . , rshat.the mew who - should titi raised. be t, admitted that his Right Hon. Friend had used the behove° supply the place of those whownlenteured-: word Engagements, bet - still insisted that the corii into.the army, should not in atty.casis be: called on rti . - rnunication of; these Engagements to the HOnie • 'yolunt..eerinto the Line.' 'lf these points - were. ceded., must have'•depended upon the contingency Which , .alight be .inducedso vete for was to give - eftect to them. . LaCKH.eIRI' MOM heartily approved of tlittr The Militia was then put for the second reading.. measure, becsuse, 'as the Noble-Lord.who proensedr of.the Militia Volunteerßill, when it had stated, it would not i iutettere vertu the reghlsni! Sir ROBERT WILLIAMS rose to oppose the permanent recruiting for- the army.. It , was a4etetta Bill. He approved altogether of the system' that peraryeneasure to meet a preSsing exigency.l had been proauced last year by the late Mniisters,: treasures Was not like that of. the' iligni.floootifithltit and he had expelled tha the Right Holi:sGent le- Gentleman. opposite .(Mr:-Windham), twits idlaresyei men opposite had become converts to its inetits, and j nut complete mejer at once..,: The soldiers it .wonias that they would haVe had the manliness to aelinuw. ' give to the .artily Wouldtbe.of that description errs , ledge the fad: He called Shen an all the independ- phatically designated. by a Riklit Honourable ust ent Gentlemen in that Rouse to support their own 'lnman (Mr.. Yorke) !on. a wailer, night, ssi consistency by supporting that system • which Whey would be nice 'not; anaoled or e o s had last year so deliberately - and soleninly'sanStion- trapped in an incautious moment ; but. men who ed. He had always been a' friend to enlistment for bad seen service, sand whosonly regrettssi tnat , the sphere in- whirl? they .had. : "SUS a limited period, and he was- confirmed in his trio Mon by the.snecess that . had attended its adoptiott, siarrowsstbr their 'glory. It hod beets, osi ssts e thafahe measure-was teunded.uponSemitpulsitio,assat That systenthad raised . twenty - t w o' thouSand' men in one year, and would continue to produce. more s that argument would apply against all the- Sseiters, because the measure would be improving daily and Laws. 'These lawshad at firstbeen unpalatabis, slu t: so as in a' short iime to give the Country a producedtriotss buts the good seuse of thepeupissa . ..d.s disposeabie force adequate to.. every natioeal ptir-' 'reconciled:Wens to-them. But it.this measuvesseles pose. The objet of tile Hee. Gennettien 'opPoSite one ofessurgreater. - compulsion s : be; would reetutsi wls'to overturn a system that had proVed so betteti- lend. bituselfs.to its su.pports utder .theicireursis , cis!. They proposed to' take from tire Minna,- a - Stancesssif the Country, when. its_ toveterate foe was'' force beScealctilated far defence, to add to Iliestlis- Cottipelling State atter State upona toe tssettinent to poseable fakes which *as not lOW wanted. A to become subserviens to his power,. area would, per the InSpeding-Field Officers aPpoioted to thelro- . . , lieps roll _them allsagainst this Cutiutry. The: Miss lenteeristierthaintsined that the were of res use to neitenufsthisCoutury ought to eluvisie, by the ener.s . the Volunteers; because they 'had no autribOtytver .. ': gy of ; for , its safsty„ hat was the notpsol - .troy 'man, wiesevet tes, ssight be, Om was them; and eatild dot put Suiy-eurps 'through 'a slisgle ' 1 maticeuvre without the ordsr of the Colonel: •-• Thai 'Alltsisfisr J . and ,the . ..easasures( h 4 uses& adopt forsi withdrawing theseSinspeaiug, Field Officers woialsls - 1 seab4i purpoSessudoid .be Cheettaiiiraubmitted.•to 7 save forty thousand vsunds tb the Nandi - 1,. but that , . aast. supperted flys the people. , A tMtuister that:: was no consideratiSai with the Right Hon. Gentle - g)til4 att e iu thatAhanner..with etiergrwould sttleds uw . men` opposite. 'the' late Administration had , by .upon . the firmest' ground ; 'but In. thatSitoold their measures respeding'ihe-Volunteers, effeeltsilit ;negled by ptrrsiu saving of 0,),0001. to the' Nlition, without re'ticle- ;ing at o th ls e ir st. si .c te ur c it , y lx . the co Co n u t fl force edicients Ott all thesis ghkifida iseifitbrany time. ,They had , keen :it statedin Intel hefea it his duty toetipsis(i the Bill under diens.' .of the- Erenc4 Bulletins, that ,the .French soidietir. sion lit every. Stage, and"Shotild therefore ;MOST (Msridiculed the Cossacks for their mode of warfare,C .Amendments " be read a second-tiine' .by discharging a rrow s' . at the Laetny, , hatroseett's thiS day three 'months." ' •\ arms discharging not to be encountered by such weat;tin<4.l Colonel ST ANLEir 'allot-41164(A the be This sliewed the )necessity of, procuring a torsi/ cause 'it would destroy' the Militia, and be oporessives 'suitable to. the enemy it.isould have.toesintend witlf.r to• the sC s ountrys' The men' that were to la's, taken That.enemy employed compulsion:fat : the must fps troth the 'MititiatweretCrbei replaced by the ballot. rannicaL purposes, and shouldlwesnat ; resort to it, so. He did net t ant rove of thessieaSure, which held out j, insure our preservatiou , ? ThespeopleSslie was iiona encouragetnetit-t6Officers'of N.lilitta teisseelt tirerne-- htlent,.' would , submit .withsaltterity .steswhatever, tion in the Line; by the number of mein wittelii they should be :necessary fo,r that ,piwptiies fietsouldt could 'influence . to, .volutterfruin . lbes'regitnehts," not believe that the, Militia ,Officerseso bisivel;' pas, This would have a most!ststeibuS ellett upon the ti 'tone, and. highsmindadi a .class of .mens. would , Militia, for whith.'it .. latai''aripreseilt 'ao difficult tch . feelsany reluttance to.. consent Stu,. this.imeasures) *p4,ctire pMfier.AubillterriWingh. In: thespresents seeing and kuowing,s as.. they . must do, that Ours critical Clicuinstances of thegisuntry,he Wits very un- s fate dependanot. Upon what we may da:Six month*. oppoie any nibiitaeg that tilightbe deem- - . lience,F.but :what we Shall.:do.f tit present.• Every; ed necessary; but a sense , of .duty obliged, him to 'bp-% feeling of, pablic,duty.ttud - private , honour, a proper pos e this'ineasnie in every stsVl.. If; however, the regard for our ,sseligiort .itutissproperty,- as well Bill should' pass Siena slaws he wdultictiot ). throw•any as • for every thing. 'that , can be' valuable , its impediment in the.away at its . operatien:. He trusted 1 civil or social !life,. must: !bind than to pro that-in wellcase a clause would be introduced to. I - 1 mote the: measure. shOkild not , blind saitt;' , ' prevent the recruiting parties or Comnianding Otlis . ' selves to our sitnationes If tlineneiny should con-' cevr from tainPerirsg with the men. quer this country, lie would rob us of every things h Wns'iiiiencly in 11'4:W61th - 4 - state, and for his'part het .We hold dear. He would realize . what lie told- woniVintich 'tether the Noble Lord had brou g hti army at Ulm, that he hadt five hundred. years ,of fortisafd a proposition for annihilating the Militia al-. vengeance to inflict on England. Virliathe midi en' together, than /or degrading' 'by making it subser- he would'no doubt realize if he 'should succeed in vient to the recruiting Of.thf army. ' his designs against this .Country. Thatelferny had • Mr's TPILLOVG.HBY - went(' give his support to• . never brok e n his word in .an y thin g .cruel, ven g e. the measure; because St this eventful period, when I , fu1,..0r itivasive The long.arrear :of hate for the . theStatesof the Continent ivertrover-ron, and when' five hundred years that Great • Britain . had rivalled *6tyre threatened - with th'e same fate that had bes aodreaisted the power of Freece, would be dig.; fillen'ether nations; vigorous lilet}btlfeS were ribso- charged with :accumulated interest.' If this. way lutelkiledeasaryi - rbii . died 4 ufe he 'considered ettica- true, lie was.suresthat - Militia Officers ;Would not clews . and, front convefsations which he had had feel either disgust or: relaxatioriln consequence 01 it with Solite Militia OffiCers, he was convinced, that measure wlaietivaa necessary to; preserve, the COO' Os. if double the !either proposed to be elloWett to vo-- try from the dangers that threatened-- it. 'He was ltuiteer were necessary, they `could' be readily ac- sure that thew would be no objections , to, the met Otiired. Here' •he cbtild- not btit remark upon sure s , , when its would be seen that it was the tittle& of' the -late. Ministers, Who, had de- miry. In the casesof an .individual who might not serted Oaf brave '7lllies, itful ravished the force of be willing.togo . frotn his family, though ballotted, a tlfe'cotinty by such Expeditions' as that to Egypt, ! Nita might .be provided by private benevolence to which terminated iii a disaster that tarnished the cover him:from the severity. .HeonlYthrew duttsi iteof the.Britiih.artua. Of the Volunteers,. a force them, f that means might be devised to obviate . 11ny io ifitteh 'decried by a, Bight Hon. Gentleman-uppe- eases of individeel.hardship that , might occur,thoo6ll dieViirl'lVindharn), whose talents'headtilltecl,"but he was afraid that the practical consequence of as;t: , Whisid POitiestiPpeated se him too theeretiCal !LOW lug upon such a principle might be injurious in speculative, -he mi g ht truly" say, thin the'sliit'itlWlth ther way, by interfering with the regular recruitieg they had conic ftirwiticn had saved the 'nation, tOr the army. • • He was of opinitni that'theltisitoting.Field Oificent . „Mr. CALCRAFT could not concur in the send- and pensianent 'duty' 'Were'ndbessary to Make that tricots expressed by the Hon.Gentlemen,who had for terse etbeieet. - The "Honourable Gentleman s con- the first time addressed the Hotta) that night (Messrs, eluded bY'expressing It hope that tho Se. dissentioria Willoughby and Lockhart), thotigh he was anxious to which had lately prevailed amongst them should concur in any measure that might be deemed neves. ceaSe,''and that , there should be the same unanimity vary for the security of the country, its the evident in the councils Which lie was,titlre there would be in situation in which it wits placed. •Before he could the field. s.s agree to the proposition of the Noble Lord, he trust •• L'ord EUSTON spOkeigaihAt the Bill, but in so first look to the situation of our 'national force, at low a tette itsthe ,commelfeenteat of his speech; that the pretext for the Noble Lord's ;plan, and at ;lie it was impossible to 'coifed 'los:argument. 'He ad s plan itself. Wheu he found that the - force already Mitted the-army would gaitnby the operation of thi's on toot was, if properly organized; arranged, and re- Bill in the first itiATltlte'l bdr . Pariiiineitt t , as bound l gulated, sufficient to. save the Country, he was aux tO look farther, and thenssi4hat would become of the lolls to spare his countrymen that compulsion which ordinary recruiting ).--'llfatsiource.ol-stipely for the the Noble Lord: considered :necessary. .If he was, artily would be effeetually cut otf by the ettett at persuaded' that the existing force was sufficient fete this 'measure. raisitig bounties, would that purpose s ‘he was justified itt opposiug the .amble ~i~ 3f) sot .qtrf at td at 501 4 Oh UP 1 . : 4 oft 0 041. A1 MO' 50 4 ' 1 ' rti 10; is 111/ anY thgl