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LA* reAsfeed ih rate of Interest, the thoontalale Mem: , bee eepreseed hie satiefaction et Lode' heard the Chap. , seller*, the Exclieleet say, that the Vow, La ws were •afair. Thee was so period at which is alter*, le ties absurd laws mild be so properly and effeetteely Ititrodhled as the r e s ent when they were, iu fact, a dead letter, the market mice tof the loan of Money being lower than the legal price. Bel he amid tot believe that the reduction of Interest made by the Bash had say geoeral effect lapse the value of mosey in tee market, or upon the price of lend, or of asy i comdier. day. If the Bee& bad doubled its circulation, t world lave we permutes' effect upon the 'aloe of moneys U such • this( had hake* place, the general level of interest world be mowed in less than six months. The country only re. quirrd, end could eel, bear a certain eireallatioet had. *ben that amorist of circlet/Ilion was sewn, the rate of %tenet would lied its wholesome and manual level. He was glad that the Rank had detersaised to rednee It. tate of iatereet to Liar percent.; indeed, they would have lose wrist in &chitin le du so, as by that wears oily tumid they bring their notes into circulation. Ulm Bask bad sot reduced its ilatreest to Ler per clot. the cots try must oeeesserily resort tounetallie currency, or else Notes loud be issued from some coher quarter, as it werestil he im possible for the Bank of Euelend to pet • angle pseud note tato circulation. loeouclosion, hr ovoid slot help obeevv. ing, that he Mt moth conemierrelioe foe Mee sofeetnieste Gi otleman who was induced to give feIMU. more for au estate is coneeeptence of she bark levieg loweted its 10. %feet to foot per east.—(A laugh.) lift. 1. M ARTIN ronsidewd the sinking fund as a means of keeping up the prices of the Nada, • great benefit, not to the stockholder alone, but to the country at large. If the three per cents. had been et 60, instead of 60, the Bank would mot hate hod it iv its power to reduce the rate of lute. rese. Re ergeetted Mist the Chauirettor of the Exchequer had sot called stye attention of the Committee to the del. Mese, of the coosolieleted food, which wee • subject of the degpirM importance to the country. Whilst that &Reimer, . anolleatale it was well known that the Right Huuourable .ffidellealm wee obliged to depend upon the Beak fur ad. ammo he the psymest of the dividends. Now, is the ellellellf the Bask being subjected to the payment of its medemMe red cis demand, it might so longer suit Ike conve x lam !see or the laterals of the Bank to continue such ad. and the eessequeses would be, that the Govern .. letelleolthe cad of some quarter, would dud itself nut is a eilarelem to pay the dirt/trod/ due to the public creditor. Ile thighs it was t be duty of the autmeelkw of the Excise. tyre' to provide against such • aontiageocy. Mr. HUME said, he considered the actual accost of • the public debt to be • maitre of much less consequence the , the manual amount of the charge which the country had to pay. At the end of the year 1815, the emoting of hat/treat ebeegnble tepee the funded debt was 25,000,0001. since ILA it hail beta increased, so that last year it amounted to • 11,716,000/. the amount of the funded debt Navin( been in. Jrcemed, mid that of the unfunded debt diminished ; but the Chnowliur of the Exchequer sow told them that at the cud ; dire next year It would ameout to 31,000,0001. belug an =permanent charge of upwards of 1,200,0001. fur the dad, while the unfunded debt, instead of being siallaiha properties, had been actually increased. He should heeled to know bow the Chancellor of the Exchequer could maeremilme the coeutry un the circunastasees iu *Web he had placed it, having thus added 1,200,0001. to the prima. seat charge. Mr. LUSHINGTON contended, is oppositio• to the Hon. Alember for Portarlitgtun (Mr. Ricardo), that there was a clear surplus of income above the expenditure fur the present year, amounting to somewhat more than 5,000,0001.; sad so order to support that pundits hr recapitulated the humor income and cluree, al stated by the Chancellor of the Earbrepeer. T be Hun. felemiper for Wiucleasea (Mr. Brreaghtten) seemed to have some difficulty is end/Haan/Rug that part of the statement of leis Right Hon. Friend (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) with respect to the oettleineat •f the debt between the East India Company ad the Govern. went of the country. One übserrairen might serve to en plain that. There had been loop litigated claims between the Government and the East baths Compaey, which had et lea g th been arranged after considerable discussion and is. quiry on the part of the Noble Lord at she head of the Treastrey, and his Right Hon. Friend; it having been willed that the Compel, should pay 1,800,0001. to Guyer/s -weat. Of that sum 1.00,000/. had been paid, aad they had • /titbits take credit for that sum its the pretreat year, which Eft 1,300,0001. still repaid. Ile thought the First Lord of she Tremor, and bin Right Hun. Frieusl, bad a right to tale credit to themselves for having effected the arrangement of a debt of so many years sueding, in a manner completely satisfactory to both parties.—(Hear, hear, and laughter )e -e Tie Hon. Member fur Abingdon complaiued that so moil* bad been takes is the estimate of future reductions.. Mr. MABERLY said, referring to the Report of the Li- Bans Committee of 11117, he had complained that the smell of the expenditure had not been reduced within the hm is wieirb that Committee bad fixed. Mr LUSH INGTON salt, he thought it rather • subject fir eongratelation, slut even taking it so, they were ens. bled to chew • clear surplus of 5,000,0001. of income over the expenditure, witbuut those tednetious, which tt was still perfectly competent to the. Hour* le make. The Honourable Member said it sat is vain to expect that asy thing effee teal would be done towards an ecomonsical reform, nukes hy a Committee of loquiry ; but he would undertake to assert, that a Commission which had bees appoiated within She hat fire year, fur the purpose of inquiring into the winos departments cunoected with the public revenue, already dune more in the way of economy and ttefsl regulation than all the Committees of that House Our ea toy years past; he meant the Compiled°, of Inquiry Sabot& establishments of the Cu.toma, Excise, and Stamps. With respect to the compl aut. on the subject of the saperennoation •rowancee, the regulations which had been udupted as to the ages of persons admitted to appointments is the several establishments had dune mine tinier& the effecting of en economical reform shin lied been done by any Ministry that this country had assn fur the last hundred years. Mr. RICARDO said, he looked upon the saving of 2400,0001. from the 'meal sum] military prnsiou scheme as leeser.)—And he wished to boor whether she Chancellor of the Exchequer had not made an &newest* for 'hat as • part of his eutplus ? The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, that the aunt mensiuserd au allowed for. hIr.CALCRAFT said the Right Hon. Gentleman bad staled a surplus of 5,000,0001.; to get at which be took ';edit fur 557,000/. for • manes' made by the East Isdrs Company. But be forgot so place oa the other aide erf the accuuut a sum of 1,800,0001. doe from the Company to i;,Aerabsesit, which was mew uo longer due. He should say, iSelefore, !list lie ought to deduct from hie supposed surplus 1,30t40001. being the difference which was owing to the couutiy at the liegiuning of the year from the East Judie Compsil. 1 he CHANCELLOR of the. EXCHEQUER and Mr. CA LCEAII•T exchanged a few obsereatioaa in a low torte of euice,•bich the interruption in the gallery rendered it imposed:de to collet!. Mr. J. SMITH thought the sinking fond, by keeping up the price of sunk, facilitated lie redaction of the debt is the only way in 'thick it was practicable, oarutly, by the re, introit of the interest. There hirer two modes of seeking nth a seduction : one by • direct violation of faith with the publ c creditor, which no honourable mind could wish I. adept ; mid the other by inducing the emulator to e,rierrt his stock into • I,wer fond. in that ists, lee looked buss e d to the reduction of the 4 per emits. and 3h per teats. to 3 per cent. He &petaled the huldi eg out of aired/m -ins of the interest in auy other way, as a mode of relief to t t .rlanded interest. He did not think the pressure upon teem from low prices could last lung. It woe an evil that earned its own remedy with it. The penc i l's alight perhaps be cruel in its operation upon the small (miners, and thuat wh o cultivated inferior soils ; but the result wuulel be that I -ea con) would be grown, and then prices would rise. llr. BROUGHAM congratulated Ike Chancellor of the !.‘..iir q ur r on ore piece of retrenchment, at least, effected v th e r r y, in earring the crepes., of trumpeters by "online their ows--(laughter).—Formerly, when the Il•aecelloe of the Exchequer opened his budget, he was Is !!'" habit of receivireg panegyrics from &Emma painters of 11 7 House, from the mashy gentlemee, aid others queue s riid sub htm by soy official tie , bat RIM sight all the doitramlal l asa of tits plea prestaleatriffit 8 gatlralla wt. was intimately weeweard with Ma...pahe Secretary of the Treasury (Mr. Lamilstro). IN they were to begees him,' there never was, Is the frimoryofitse coastry etwei an eco edt of 'Meister' as the present Met Lord of • the Treasury sad Chaise*ller of the Piitetaralet. In the Grit Owe, thou had ease • groat deal mere is abe way of tartmahamat le the last Iwo yeas, than all the Camshafts of that Boas bud-seer derat-odia eneeediagly nom pliormararg striders spew the Castanets appointed by •tbe llama; and in the elm -plaeo, they lad efected suet amimesass/ swarm them all a. Ilhalasva with which this eeetetarbad hems blamed-.i• supposed he ought to say—. (Lsagliser) fee a haawalswill. years past. These were the greatala os which the midst passional of Misistors put their eliding to the grotiteds of the Houma sad Abe costal's. But east la fact had they achieved to (mettle these to this breadth of encomium ? n• Fiance Committee of 1817, to their Reputt, fixed as the limit within *bleb the whole expenditure of tie country might be reduced, 36,100.1:100/. sod the actual eatpeuslitere of last year exceeded that sem by 1,500,0001 ; and this year, taking it epos the charge of their owe estimates, It would be 24,500,0901. or only about 850,0001. below the estimate of Ilia Committee in 1817 ; and that west the tallest of their reductions during a period of Ave yeah, whew, even if the posed este were only worth as mach new am ia 1817, the Committee did sot mesa to limit the reductiosa that might be made to that estimate; but salting that sem as the proper mamas, for that period, they thought Slates time west os it might be still more Jr. Creased; bat what would be said of such retreeehateot when it wee well known that, revery article of subsistence had fallen io value at legal 35 per ceat. ? Is order to have kept pace with that change, and with the further charge predated y the altecallou of tie currency, there ought to have beet a reduction of at least 6,000,0001. He could not therefore go Moog with the extravegast praises which had proceeded from that disisterested, nueouomeoed, and impartial quarter, the Secretary of the Treasury, in Isis panegyric upon the first Lord of the Treasury mud the Chancellor of the Ex chequer. Br would pot It to arty Naas out of the pale of she Tressoryo—he "wield have put it to any one of the inferior Lords of the Treasury themselves, if any of them bad been present, fur, Gad mut, he believed they were very little coo meted with the bootees' of the Treasury, and that might perhaps account for their absence from the discussion on the Budget—he would put it to any one who heard him, whe ther, except on the score of patronage, any more obvious saving could have presented itself than that to which the Hos. Member for Abiogdun (11r Moberly) had alluded! Wire an office was abolished, they were obliged to make some priri. lion on that account for the person who held it : but nu such provision war requisite, or ought to be made, if that person held another office, nor would any such allowance have been made by se economical administration. If a Mae retired from •n office after lung service, either from age, sickness, or other infirmity, then be had a right to a• adequate allow ance. Bet if the office were abolished, because it was no longer necessary, be ought to have a decent maintenasce if he had served long; but if he had only bees a short time in the service, he should bare so retired allow ause, but ought to take his chance, the same as be must in soy other profession or calling. Bat it was a principle wholly incootrovertilele, that if so office was reduced, and the holder of it held also another appoint ment under Government, he certainly could have no right at all to any allowance fur the office so reduced; and it was not to be endured that such a mod* of expenditure should be found fur the public money. Again, could any thing be more obvious than the propriety of appointing to any offices which became vacant, or any new ones which it might be necessary to create, those persons who were re ceiving retired pensions, if they were able to serve, is stead of making entirely new appointments? The Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Lushingtou) said be could not go into the cases allude ol to by his Honourable Friend (Mr. Moberly) because he did riot give the names of the partner. But that was a most invidious way of doing it ; and besides, the ob. i.ction did not rest on the merits of the isdividuale, but wholly on the principle. He would, however, particularise one, Mika he fuuod in the paper, on the table. A person held as office at a salary of 300!. a year, which was abo lished, sad he then got a retired allowance of 1601. Soots afterwards be was appointed to another office of 300/. which was also reduced; and, instead of returning, as might have been expected, to his former retirement of 11101. a year, be received I. addition' Is It 1401. s year more, as the retired allowance of his secried office. So that be retired upon an allowance of 3001. • year from an office that was abolished of 3001. a year salary.—(Hear.)—He would mention also woother case which had been noticed before, and which chewed the ingenuity of those who husbanded the resources of the country, in devising excuses for their misapplication. A person held so office of 5001. to 6do. a year, which being abolished when he was at the age of 35, he retired on a pension of 400/. a year, which he (Mr. B.) should have thought too great an allowaece to a person of that age, after only eight years service, eves if he had no other re source. But he held anuther at the time of 3901. a year—(Hear, hear!)—But that was not all. He had also two other offices consolidated into one, fur which he wee paid by poundage; the return did not say to what automat, but he boa informed about 8001. • year, and certainly it mast bo treastbiag considerable, for the same offices sufficed hereto fore fa two individuals. Now, be did say, that out a penny of retired allowance ought to have bees gives in those two eases, because they retired not from sickness, nor age, nor long service, but from the abolitiuo of those offices from necessity. The Cast of the Secretary of the Board of Con. trul was also worthy of notice, whose salary had been raised from 1,700/. to 3,2001. a year, and be had an allow. suer besides as a colonial woad. The Hum. Gentleman is hie speech bad not nosfised his reply lb remarks upon the speeches of those who had spokes before him, but be also addressed himself to mei ral others on that side, and par. ' titularly to him (Mr. B.), because they cheered the sotto ' meet about the East ludic debt. In point of fact, he I did think it curious that after chiming 5,060,0001. they I should have been at last eonteutod with 1,800,0001. He did sot mean to say That there was may thing unfair io the case ; but there certainly was room, on hearing such a statement, for • supposition that since 1,800,0001. was now • satisfac tory payment, they would have been greatly overpaid al the original claim of s,ooo,oool.—(Laughter.)—He had never mole stir istended to make any proposition that the pub. lie creditors should not be paid, but he bad always said, and he would contend fur it as a sound maxim of financial policy, that Its best seesrity the public creditor could have for the payment of his debt was ,from the followiug up r' gularly and strictly of a system or ecteediy, rigid even to parsimony—(Hear, that wr realer jeopardy could befal h.s claim, than the con jeut s had e :ere receive ter d, if b y e eg e r i; would after r o a t " c al (he it waserliainutratehratthMouigrt less, after the evidesce which had been given of their vast sn eakiest to rutted it—but be must say, however forced upon them—of that roavoilable perhaps, but extravagant scatter expeaddere libel was now followed. After a few words from Mr. E. SMITH, the first Resole tioo was tweed to. Os the second Resolution bring put— Mr. GR EN FELL asked the Noble Marquis (Londonderry) whether any steps had bees taken, as had been prornieml is the last Session, towards procuring • settlement of the claims of this country upon Austria, •nromiting, be believed, in principal and iutere.i, to about 17,000,0001.? The Marquis of LONDONDERRY assured the Honour able Member that a negotiation on She subject was now in progress, from which, though be could not pledge himself to the result, be certainly anticipated a favourable issue. Whether favourable, however, or otherwise, the House had tr rtaistly a right to be informed, and should have the earliest iufoimatiuu of the result. Sir J. NEWPORT wisbed the settlement might sot re semble dot of the East luilia debt.—(Leughter.) The resulatioa was then @greed to. 0. the resolution for raising 400,0001. by lottery, Mr. J. MARTIN expressed his determetatiou to take the mese of the Hesse. Me. HUME Reid, he had some hope from en expression of the Chancellor of the Exchequer that he would give up ibis resolution. He bad mentiuued the possibility of its being abaedomed, coupled, it sas tree, with a hope t►at NOW other tea would be substituted. But he (Mr. H.) thought Ow u the Riglit Henourshk Genlietnitt bad a sarphis, he 1 • 7 -.4.. .:!-$. :: Iligiii te'ase'l to torero Si amjectiosehle a trade of mast/ hilt tat lie Malt) sat see *hal availing' elk WM the sum of 1140,001 d. even without • sebstilele. Ar otw ifoin by Mopping the di ff ssiue of alle;W:llMrilM had • emiandibjectlonie r tree, frees Hear, bear, knit) w- Petnier weer lib rgoinik their ishlesey tonitiats es swab of the Del if w e this cosi - airY had been involved, . they were to be kept eft ho hoped the establlebilieekmould toe toMparalitrely asidtporlant . be minket, ebetaged ; ler, from the list epee the to -he *h llll h was net likely that Mare would es* 311111 felted that sit the Commissioners of Lottbeies Mid Bet isbe there had arisen out of the French Revelation tel or/ dila to prevent their Secretary from brill returned IS ili principles. On the o u t baud there was she unbowed pri public defaulter.—(Hear) the other.—(H The C F o or ottlt retelosiss _ghttpll44ll4ll-•• • . . .... .... I %shill t 4 tiples of ebsofete prove.—(Hear, t win ., be rw )..-sed the pie& elphs of unqualified reret u tl ou pit eer t hern a hear.)—'Chat euutest he regretted, because it tesdar Against It w . ' 'lstenillet. It wee mot with a view to arrest dm progress of I illiblillise •• - • . weal& .i. i which all our efforts could not restrain, that he sd The ether Besolelmart thee agreed hatillh inn, ! Ilse measure; but Upon th e g roun d s b e h a d s tated, sodlibl reesemed s swig Ise illopert ordered to 11111111110311110 4 1111. , - Aim aby of the motives which hvd bete attributed to the esommee. , - .4 nb•vel.../T UOVelltinttal, that be supported the motion for going into • i ' '• • v i • 4. • ALIEN BILL m ,o)aimomm the Committee. • Mr. PEEL anowad the Order of the boy tavillbsihmui •, • Mr. J. WILLIAMS said lie rose for the purpose of ex.. (ohm lute • Coaimitteeos the Alien Sllt 4, - • 1 ,- ."1 resting a slootre sod well.eonsitiered eimositiop is thus Mr. HOBIROUSE said that be bed, when geniffdasillid Bill. No ma. could doubt, that if this Bill passed now, it was brought forward this Seseion, gives soder% that he would be euatinited lo ?inure; and'he felt the malt bumper should give it all the oppealtiou is his power; he meant that able oppositioa to the Bill. uo the very ground. span which sort of opposition which it behoved a Representative of the it was recommended, namely, the responsibility of the Illi people to give to any measure which lie thought Injurious; sister. - The House were called upon to 1 11 • 1 • most though is ISIS, if be bad reed the debates Of that period daillitm l • o, b•••••• • • disefeliessr7 power, •• the gvousd •right, there'wes an honourable OCllitllllo 11110 had spoken that the power would not be abased. Is any single tsL opposing bodily_ redeemer to the Bill—(h e did Bert speech which was made in favour of that measure, there H now see that Right eriourehle Gentleman Is his place)— had met been the most (Hemet inertias of necessity; kilo that be was sot without • precedent, If he bad spokes Thep stated, indeed, that peradventure at some period or r - itlf the moat unqualified animosities. He could assure the 'teatime some foreigner might arrive who would disturb the Hosournble Geetlessan (Mr. Peel) that be never wit bliotiwrable relations between this coastry mad other steles. mottiled dueler/ the *bole of the period that be bad But he would ask what insinuation was there of werewity i s 'p a li m p ses t s whew he found th a t It was hi s bikni*. now' sad he said that when that necessity attired) thee bring forward this measure, when he beard the Right t would be the time to call tipon the House to great that Illosoureble Gentleman say be wished for this measure as • 'I large discretionary power. This subject had beets argued 'measure of confidence—bit argument was simply this: ins the other side as if it were • mere legal question, but it 0 o re me the piper:, for I least it; give It me, an d I w ilt I ' appeared to him to involve serious political considerations. 111 : 111 ant *belle it." Whew in 1792 the first !Wires introduced He looked upon it as • measure atectieg *be liberties of the into the House, Mr. Bowie said it was to keep out of this country, ogee which every gentleman is the House was al costar, the ilbesels revolutionary atheists; brat he sebum. well calculated to form an opinion as • lawyer. But even as a !edged it was as aecessissa le the power of the Crown, and lawyer be was prepared to argue it. Any man who had ever expressly said shot if the Crown had it lii time of were, it read the Coustitution must admit that the King atter bad would be too greet tor liberty ' • bat the Right Honourable the power to send a subject out of the kingdom unless tee the Attorney-General for Ireland differed from him, sod 'lard of some offence. But tire Right Hoe. and Learned coati-tided that it was a power which the Crown al. Geuttensee (Mr. Plunkett) lad taken the converse of that ways had. It was is fact so great on alteration of the Condi. •rgnmeet, and reasoned upon the writ of as creel regno. Nikon, that when the French Government declared war Bet he would remind that Right lion. end Leaned Gentle. against us, that set was complained of as an infraction of mail of the opinion of no leas aWO 'ben Lord Chaseellor the Treaty of Commews of 1768. Is 1801 the pretest was Talbot, pronounced a ',rotary ago,. " That there to provide for ea expected state of hostility from the nista. bees • writ of 11l treat regno issued whhout a hilt being filed." bility of the power of the First Cosset. It 1814 she insts. It appeared to him that the Right Hun. and Learued Member bility of the Bourbon. was the pretext. He tiled these in. proceeded at as over-strained aaalogy. If aliens could be stances to stew skit so alisister had ever yet asked for punished with the same severity for ao offence against the these Bills without wipe a ti ega iha w of speci a l ne c ei s ily—. laws as as &globules; if besides this we have the power to ante had ever asked tor kon osellieoce sliete. la 1814 ell"l bins the comely) . Ilr t h e Crows Polossmd lima Prero . . . . . Mr. Wiry Addington asked fur it for one year wily, sad the Nab's , Lord opposite said be could net at eines dispense wi:h all the precautioiary es whirl hod bees thought ac t cessary; yet now, is 1821, the Minister of the Crows few down and asked r this RIR es so temporary grimed, Bit on sods • principle (if principle It coedit be called) as it might be asked fur a continuance as .part esti tweet of the law of the hied. In 18111 the Bill was eostempseaseess with the ono patios of France by the Allied leap., sad seas not to continue say longer. Is MO the Noble Lord opposite talked no more of fereige danger ; the Bill was thee, be said, solely a meamire of domestic policy; but be the. add. ed, that the Bill would not be disagreeable to oar Allies. After this detail, the House mast be aware that the Bill had never yet beea proposed:to Farness/at os the simple ground ghat it was now pet. During the whole of the debates, there 'ves only one Hon. Gentleman wits spoke owl,. and be was now on the Beach. Mr. Justice OM did say, that be saw nothing is the Bill to limit •it to say particular time eirmlaress. When be (ler. Hoirlsowee) beard the Right Rot. lienittary tent of Magma Charts, be felt as if be saw a witch going to read the Lord's Prayer. When a moderi Se. eretsry of State read Align' Chiefs it meet he backwards. He (Mr. Hobbouse) coo Id not sudeeMesd hew be could twist that document I. his favour, Tee belied dose it with some success to those who had sot read lard. Coke's rem meat ea that passage. (The Hoosemble Member here quoted the passage from Lord Coke] Yet the Right Honourable Secretary had applied that passage (which Lord Coke mid nicest so Ace of Parliament), to as Or der of Commit. The Right Hos. fiestlemes said he would sot abuse She powers; bat he,selib-bis Hos. and Learned Friend (Sir .1. Mackistosii), would my the law itself is an abuse. He bad talked of his responsibility, but he would appeal to his candour to Noy, If Mare was such a thing as ministerial reipoesibility it war a esseindy. We have bail nothing like It glace . the Revolstitio. la a coin. firm of parties, a minister might be scat to the Town as Lord Oxford was, or impeached, as Sir Robert Walpole was; or be might beds as great deep.' as Lord North was; .but this was sot the sort of responsibility to which the Right Hon. Gentleman alluded. The Noble Lord bad talked of the Right Honourable Secretary as one who was is carry the prieciplee of liberty higher t h an ever. The Right Honourable Geatleman must ezeose hire (set amain the ligklee'. _ ' that lie could • lest personal offence), if he declared _ see nutkiug iu him to reconsnseod this measure, but he could see le his priocipks that which did net recomineod the mea sure to his►. As a contemporary of the He.. Secretary he must say, that he saw in him oily a ?Collier dangerous to the liberties of the country. He •Ilowed that the Right Hun. Geutleinan was conscientious and consistent, but theft were qualities which gave an edge and polish to those takuts which as Now directed must be very detrimental to the liberties of the e try. Had Lord anti himself, after his glorious valve which has been conteuded for, be would ask, what was the necessity of a legislative measure to invest Ministers with this vast discretion before its beeesslty was shewa Id exist? Therefore (with all due respect) the course pursued by the Right lion. and Learned Gentleman appeared strange to him, for his doctrine was not oily not borne out by asalegy, but it possessed this other vice, that it made a most triuniphaut argument against the Bill.— He'weeld ask what there wit* in the appearance of the pre sent times to justify the measure? If we were tint at peace now, would the Secretary of State hive the goodness to state when it was likely that happy period would arrive. The Honourable and Learned Gentleness then adverted to the difference in former periods.' rhea the Bill was sane liaised, from the present. In 1793, what *am the state of feeling in the country, when a member add( House (ffr. Burke), then arrived at that time of life when imagination gires place to cooler judgment,euuld have produced a dagger and throw it on the 'emend as • justification of that Alien .111111 what nest have been the time, which could tolerate ao extravagant and theatrical as exhibiliun—(Hear, bear)—But strong as were the arguments against the Bill arising not of domestic circulast , they 'teem augmeeked and fertilled by the consideratios of other - .ales. He would suppose a ease. Let him suppose (which God avert) that the righteous teethe should be evereeme,and that she inhabitants of Greece were drivel, from their cava lry; that, attracted by the.bistorical character of Ragland, before Alien Bills had come lobo fashion, to sorb an asylum fur the desolate and distressed from the evils which awaited them, they widened the people of England, by whatever of virtue or humanity remained, to assist them is recovering their lost rights, and that then those men should be immured is the dungeons of England, or driven back to bare their necks to the daggers and poniards of their barbarian assas sins, and all from the dread that we should break off our ami cable relations with the Turks, or dissolve the tie by which the Defender of the Faith was leagued with the grand enemy to Christionity.—(Cheers.)—He wurld say, then, that this was by no means an iesprubable case. The same psiacipte which was applied to foreigners might be turned against oar aelVes. Make it once a precedent, and it will be full•wed. What today was fact, becomes to•uaortuaa doctrine & and on these grounds be should give the Bill his most determined oppositieu.—(aseers.) Mr. HUDSON GURNEY was ready to admit that it would be most inexpedient that this country should heroine the theatre of political intrigue for oilier sinks. But this Bill was obnoxious, without being operative, aid be should therefore oppose it. The House then divided on the question fur ping Into • Committee. The slumbers were-: For the Committee 144 Against it 6O .4 mot'. Ibiza ..a glo., career, kume slows nil asked for such • power, be (Mr. Hubbouse), bad it been in his power, would have raised his voice against it. It was said to be accessary fur our do mestic security, but he found only four persons against whom the Bill had been brought io operation the hat two years. Now, be would ask the Right Iluu. Gentleman, if those three mu nod one old woman were seat oat of this country on account of any plot or conspiracy that they were engaged in ;Diatom the Goveronsent I The Right 800. Gent. said, " But won't you guard against a great admitted evil I" ....To this be would say, as a French author said of the Holy Roman Empire, " It was neither Holy, nor Roman, nor was it an Empire." So he would say : It was not great—it was cot admitted—it was out an evil. It was so assumption to say, that there Ind been so abase, for Sir Samuel Roundly had proved three or four iustemees of grievous abuse, and if one only went hack a year and a half it would be seen that the Allen Bill operated most injuriously to the cause of justice io preveatiag Marietti from liming to this country as a pitiless, la dread at the supposed oper ation of that Bill. The Hunurable and Learned Gentleman (Mr. Plunkett) bad alluded to Mr. Prix, and intimisted that be would have changed hie principles on this subject. lie (Mr. H.) thought flint such as assertion was a libel upon the dead. It was said there was a revolutionary devil abroad al that time; but the devil (bat was abroad uow, I. the language of the Poet, wse.-.. ‘‘ Wiser than of yore, " And tempts by making rich, nut making poor." That was the sort of devil against whom it was necessary to provide in the pretest day. He would, with the permission of the Huse, quote a passage from • speech of (be Right Hon. Geutleman at the head of the Board of Control, if it would not be considered usihandeoete to quote it in his ab. Bence —(Hear, bear.)—The Hen. Member here read a para. graph, which stated, " that the sovereign authority exists in the King sod Parliament, and if any Hon. Gisetlemaa matulaisis the right of seudiog Ahems out of the country to be in the Crown, be must maintain that the sovereignty was in the Kiog alone." Mr. Hubboesecootinued: The Right Hon. Geatlentan indeed gave an Were-80de proof from the reign of Charles 11, that at that period, wbeo the prerogative was at she highest, the King had not the power to seed • foreiguer out of the country. A Frenchman had deprived him of ono o f his fa ire mistresses, sod afterwards appeared in 16. utopia with her at the theatre le the King's presence, who, to rid himself of the. sight of his autmenfel rival, wrote Ira' the King of Prune, who recalled him. lie begged pardon , f or basing in l ong detained the Hume, but on a subject of ouch importance be toasted to be excused. *r. F. ROBINSON contended that when it was asserted Om measure was brought forward under false pretences, sad in subservience to foreign Powers, it ought to be ahewn that there was some interest or advautage to be gained by the country frost snub a coarse of cuudret. He con- Majority B2 On onr return to the gallery, we fumed the House in a Committee, discussing whether they should proceed further. The Marquis of LONDONDERRY said, he appreheeded they weld lobo • Committee for some purpose. There was but one blank to be filled up, and they had better pew*. A few nights back a■ Hon. sod Learued Geotlenise typo. site (Mr. Brougham) had objected to the practice of Watt. log off • discussion; and as they would have two other op. perterrities to discuss the principle, they bad better go oe. Mr. BROUGHAM said, ►e objected to breaking off a de bate, because it was an efronioate piacticr, but the present clause opened the door to quite a new Mr. P. MOORE raid, it was perfectly tree they only worried to 811 up one blank, but that went to ratify all the clauses of the former Bill. The best course would be to discuss the clauses seriatim, as if the 11111 had ■ever been ietrodueed before. Mr. HOBHOUSE then proposed that Its duration be limited to one year. Mr. DENMAN sold, he must oppose that amendment, for he was so opposed to the principle of the Bill, that lw could not sanction its existence for ne hour. The Committee then divided (as we understood) on the proposition for reportiug progress. The numbers were— for reporting progress. 37 Agaiust it 144 Majority lO7 Another division took place while we were excluded, on the original motion fur fixing llskideration of the Bill fur two years. The slumbers were— For the Motion. Against it bb Majority 7O While strangers were excluded from the gallery, we under. stand no amendment was moved to the preamble of the Sib by Mr. Biougham, on which a discussion took place, is which the Marquis of Londonderry, Sir Jobe Newport, and Sir James Mackintosh, took part. On our reedusissiee ors found the Committee discussing the aoseedosest, the precise nature of which we could not ultimo, in which Mr. Wetti►nll, Mr. Alderman Heygate, Mr. Searlett, Mr. Peel, Mr. William Smith, Mr. Denman, Sir Robert Wilson, Mr. Richard Mar. the, and Mr. Brougham took part. Strangers wereordered to withdraw, but the Committee did not divide. We under stood the amendment was negatived. On our re. admission , into the gallery, the House bed rei.unied, and the Report of the Committee was ordered to be brought up ou Friday next. Mr. WESTERN stilted, that according to t►e notice of the nowise be had gives for Wednesday, relative to the cur tench be would present his Resolutions en that day fee the Impose at ilbele bring printed, es to drip a* be le pea entrion of the House. • The Idaretaid e 4 LONDONDERRY eald k he had eireir !retie* le the corm prepered by the Hee. Member. The ether Orders et the Day Sere Mee diopeard ef end the Haab* adjeareed 04 a OIUARTER, TWd O'CLOCK. MINORITY of ToWittilorla Vim DDDDD wet tut AIJOLITIoit or . 4 " ems Lorkaar TAIL—JULY I. -- - liidni ,iiisi. &Akita', J. C. 'Scott, J. Brougham H. 'moist G P. SeSright. RI, I. Butterworth, J. Marjoribanka, S. Smith, W. • Barham, J. Morland, Sir 3. Srarlrtt, J. Bernal, R. Martin, J. %Valium, W. Benyon, R. Moore, P. Williams, Jutrit Coaeannon, L.. Macdosabl, J. Whitbread, W. a. Calcraft, J. Newport, Sir J. Whitbread, S. C. Dittman, t. Palmer, F. Wilson, C. Great 11, P. Paruell, Sir H. Graham, S. Ricardo, D. I'ELLEIR, Halchinsoa, Hots. Smith ; G. mu., I. C. H.* Smith, J. , .. r , ... ~• . _......lossaimma—JlllM LONDON SESSIONS. tetterday tbemSessio DS *net/levied by the LORD Stared, "beau) 684 Sheriffs, and several Aldermen. A Jury befog sworn, tbe following aim was railed on:— THE JUNO, ♦T THE PROSECUTION OF !ARRIVE C. ORTON. Mr. CHARLES PHILLIPS Hirai Stilled lb* Sue to the :tar AS follows: " Gentlemen of tbe Jury-1 appear is this test as Cortese! for the prosecution. The traverser steads at the bar Indicted for se assault upon my elite., Mr. Parkins. Mr. Parkins is a gentleman who has lately filled the high office of Sheriff of this city. His character must be too well known by you all to require any observation front me. Of the Defendant I know nothing, but 1 cannot help tegrettleg; that • gentleman of his appearance should stand accused of t►is offence. He Is, 1 understand, Clerk or Secretary to an Association called the Co•►titutional Amenteflon, of which yon most •11, ao doubt, beve beard. With the polities or *lees et that Association 1 have no concern, nor does It form soy part of my duty, and still less of my inclination, to me. my self up with the opinions or principles of any of the par ties in this transaction. It happened that on the 18th Map last Mr. Parkins was silting in his office at No. 10, Bridge street, when a knock cause to his door, which, was opened by one of his clerks. He there saw a gentlemen who In quired if Mr. Parkins was at benne, tied beteg auswered i■ the affirmative, be desired the clerk to tell him that Mr. Orton wanted to see him. As soon as Mr. Perkins received the message be went down, whoa Ortos instantly said to hint, " How dare you go into my room sod take say paper►?" Now Mr. Parkins will swear to you on oath DIM be newer entered Mr. Ortoe's room, and sever took his parsec.— However Mr. Orton did not wait for an mower, bat took • stick or switch from under his coat sod thrust It at Mr. Par kin's els. Hal neither gave him time to answer nor woke of an assault. When Mr. Parkins recovered from the surprise which the attack occasioned, he commenced defeadiag which be would have done most effectually, but foe the interference of some dogs, which, 1 will not say, were brought there by Mr. Ortoo, but certainly they mimed more friendship for him than for Mr. Parkins, fur they is- Meted upon him no less than eleven wounds. However, Orton did nut come off scot free, for he bas got sufficient reason to teach him, armed or unarmed, attstk upon Mr. Parkins again. Mr. Parkins was so wooded that he was unable to go to • Magistrate, and accordingly he seat for • Worthy Alderman, whom I am sorry to my, I do not now see present (Mr. Alderman Waitlem•n). He instantly attended the call of Mr. Parkins, fulfilling, as he always most do, his duty. My Learned Friend (Mr. Adul plias) says that the wounds inflicted by the doge have no thing to say to the case; but it does appear is my sosamen sense, as, I am sore, it will to yours, that Orton Is rearm slide for all tbe wounds inflicted on my client by sews of his agg►essldu. These wounds might have bees much more verities ; and had the femoral artery of Mr. Porkies been cut, Orton might slow stand arraigned upon a very different charge. I shall now say no more. These ore the fame of the case, which I have detailed without eoll3lllflll. if Or ion has • defence, I shall have an opportunity of address ing you again. If not, las sere it sill be to you, gentle men, • p: ble duty to prosovace a verdict of guilty; and into your bands I commit the case, conscious that my client will find justice. Mr. Parties was then called, and being examined by Mr, Phillips, deposed as follows: He saw the Defendant, Orton, on the 18th of May, at No. 10, Bridge-street, al eleven o'clock la the foreouoo. Oue of ►is assistants had left the office, and Worsted, statism, that Mr. Orton wanted to see hint. At that tints he was dictating a letter to a yetis; man in tee office. He went to the door, sad iris uneasily accosted by Orton in these words, "How dere you, Sir, go to my room and lake my papers His hat was off, and be bad gm weapon of any kind. Before he had given an answer, Orion pulled a stick from under his coat, and struck hiss repeat edly on the face. There was a chest behind him, so that be could not retreat. There was a MOW gut Linear them, u born he pulled out of the way, and in getting from the dour he wss seised by two dogs, one of them, • large dog, easughi him by the calf of the leg, the other by the hamstriugs. H. called out, " For God's sake take the dogs from me." All this time Orton repeated his blows with the greatest fierce ness that could be conceived. The office in which he_ had been sitting was appropriated solely to bin own business. He at length kicked t►e dugs from him and knocked the stick out of Orton's baud, who then struck him with his fists; is the emliel, Orton wem down. He received eleven bleed isg worsteds ma ►is lace, nine on his thigh, ■nd Iwo on the calf of his leg. Nut being able to go to re Magistrate, he sent fur Mr. Aldermau Manholes, and also furs Sargcou. He was confined to his MOM for awe than a week; Gems of the wound; were not healed yet. He meet gave Delos the least provocation. Cross-examined by Mr. Aool.l.llllll—He peter, by accident or design, gut possession of a paper bel l iniging to Orton; bat he saw • paper of that description on • table in a public passage leading to his office, end also in the hand' of the waiter. On bigot asked whether the paper related to the Cinistitetiouel Association, he said, he should ritesb nr memory by lookmg at ars extract he bad suede finis the Times newspaper. Witness thee proceeded to read the extract, stirs he was interrupted by Mr. Aldolphus. Witness, salt continued. Mr. ADOLPHUS (with vehemence) —N Will you act, S:r, like every other sheers i" Mr. Perkius—" l sill, Sir, *ben you 11MSHOs hue I.ke a Gentleman." The RECORD= then interposed. blr. A uoLraus—" I am not,Sir, to be iaterrupted by the observations, stock are made for the purpose of ca , laughter. An advertisement has been pot is the pripes• Line sun Ong, foe the purpose of bringiog a mob here." Mr. PHILLIPS That °bewailing should out be made." Mr. Alderman !Snows s—" It is as observation stitch should not he made us Court." (Some hissing sae thee beard io the Court.) Mr. ADOLPHUS—" There. sow, you have the truth of my • etwervanou."—(More hissing.) Mr. Alderman Hnowss-ss" That bisateg was excited, Sir, by your observatioo." Mr. ADot.rwus—" This Court Is boned by law to defead me, and I most receive the treatment of ao advocate." The cosmasamination was thew motioned. He did mot seed that paper to be published. Me bad no 1 doubt his clerk look a copy it. There were three persoll• in the office. One of his servants (Gill) stood between loos and Orton. He Jid not push Orlon before Ise struck Ling. The cane with which be was struck was a heavy nue. He defended braise:l as well as he could, but with great Vantage, as the dogs were at hie legs. Orton (Woof go dos %t more than once. He saw the dogs sleet : at. of them livid at No. d, Bridge-street, and was a regular inmate 4.11 . Nu. 10, Owe the office was removed there. Re-examiutd by Mr. Pult.t.tra—The Jogs came from Ole passage white Otto. was staging, and Hoy acres se aed - AD ~ ~. iii -_: