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• • . ... _glit. erdre aim munieekol in the ~senorjillltilliellA i day to General I. neare, •the Pertateses./sparl* that he might state his sentiments uplifts it to Int British General, previous to the negomation of the Convention. The Portuguese General rent payers eontaining reflectious upfol that linuistiee, which were totally anfouittled, mid they arrived in Lou don previous to the dispatchestfroat the army, and thereby raised an improper preitencregamst all the subsequent proceedings as to tire Convention. Although Sir H. Dalrymple did not think it pro* vii rot to produce this letter to the Court of Inquiry, o.i account of its being not so much of a military as a political einture; he (Mr. York) conceived that in fainiess to drat iris/lout Officer it ought now to be product d. There ware also repre centations made to Sir Arthur Wellesley from Oporto, whole he did not receive till four days after the Convention hail beau actually signed' ; and these he wished produced-1 epausa it was very Tema:id:o4e, that they were very ildferently warded from those proceeding from General Friere. These evi l ler% were in the prwsession of the gallant officer liin.s-If, wed might formerly have beets produced h. him, without any inotion--and therefore Its could not conceive there would Ire any ohjectiou to! • their production. They would, at all events, chew the public how cautious they ought to be in ar raigning their military and naval officers, heron* they had all the hafortmttious ruvtittle upon subject** .of this nature. It %vas our Natalie in war, that alp most all our armies were always opposed to their eileiny in difficult site dimes, Cad in inferior num .bers ; besiJes this, it was nut possible that they could be so well *applied and eiiiipewd, upon the • Continent, as those they had to tight with. If it was not fur their heroic spirit, they might not have been, in mei)y instances, so successful as they had • been. Add to this, it should also have been con sidered, before the public condemned so severely as they did, that Sir H. Dalrympleconlil nut have been in possession of his full Judgment of the al'- air in which be had to take an active concern.. In !teed of there considerstious, the politic% roared.. ',Joked to what had been stated in the perioiheal preyo-and he should ever protest agaiust that deel -1 sive and immediate censure which was pronounced without coosidoring the rest circumstances of cases twfore them. By these means, he conceived tale . gallant Geoera4 hod hero harshly treated in elle Prevent in.leuce, tad he should therefore move— s' That an humble Address he presented to Ills Meitstyv Irmeiogfere espies or estosets of a latter from Sir H. Dalryaiple to Lord Castlereagh, dated Dec. V 3. 1148, together with the enclosures rela tive to representations Iyy•usy Portuguese anthori - ... . fe.aercntion ecnnutunirrieil *, iti August, Isom, a. fa r public iervice--trigrther Castlereagh l ' u ' . , id, he did i ffel it hit dilly niakingetromfiestetcations to -- --o the hoomerable and i -make couiraernica rith the Convention, ppesercei that id that it think it pctideint demagog to Jostify sg the case. he produalinu of these . .1 of. any •jiverefit, J NW* hems inure is of deapprotestion much as he, appisived of certainly, is opposilug - - assure -his night itari lespelosioc f ti Ws Majeaity's Om . .. . Geo. Tau-kens said,•Abst aljhough he would not object to the outlaw, yt 1141:Sauld liot hull) thinking it. vosruM eat have soy bent vial effect iii justelyeng Chat clisgeweet al Convoistaa,,, nor now of those connected with it. This General succeeded to • thd coinrisaird.of an ariny, espial if cot supepor to - ! the freach,..iu cavalry, in infantry, and see *trivet. These were o.rposed to ale army composed of bad materrials.rfor the army of Jutiot, it mast he recol lected, were not like the army of Spam ; Ili short, ir. was such an army -as might veep likely:hove tai ' ow phed over the lAorteiguese, bat not over British • forces. He should be sorry to hear any Officer ex pressing kiinself as that Right Hoo. Gpentlenum , ' bad door, fur although lie (Mr. York) bad been w art . ss• lisetetary et War. be appeared to have a very der- V ' fermi tinge of mind from any -military person as to -military transactions. Maly Officers had told him that a . gnat and pernicious edict had, been •• produced ear Spain, in coasequence of .the pre ! ohms Convention of Ciatra•;•and this he belirv . ea, .as it could ant be deemed honourable fir , any officer to ir with the placard of Ciatra itmut his fleck. Nom were Owns 41 1 000 me.. of •-• a timer -description-Am those esopiturad under Sir .. lilt Dalrymple., and yet see had nothing like the e invention of Chez* that ahead in the aisaala of the .. " 1 "' British History. God forbid that we should ever look upon it in any . -other visw-thno as most die - graceful-; for lie world rather plow Waimea in the ' 4 "• than pot it to tech a. Conventions as that was. - Th , letter called for had sot town trewomitted till 1 si.even days alter the Convestson of Centre, are i a • ne-tirsaght that the Gesawels might to be .cnn w•• .tieurned for their delay is rending dispatches. Wises the papers were pasiliiced, he should have "'. en opportunity of more fully delivering his opt- e I ' . f ~.. gneobou to the Right Hoes Secretary opposite. There had been lately a Spanish Treaty concluded, by which His Majerty engages toassiet the Spanish nation against Fraoce, and promises not to ackuovvia ledge any olher King than Ferdinand VII. his heirs. or such lawful successors as the Sienna!' us tine should think proper to acknowledge as their Sovereign. These words appeared to - him to be capable of two interpretations, the one was, that the King was bound to acknowledge the legatimute representatives: of Ferdinand the Seventh, in right of heirship; and the other to acknowledge such Monarch as might he de facto. the King of Spain, or such as the people of Sixth' chose to acknow ledge as the successor of Ferdinand the Seventh. He washed to have NU explanation of the real meaning of the contracting parties upon this point, previous to the discassiou that might afterwards take place upon a subject relative thereto. Mr. CANNING, in answer, stated, that the treaty certainly bound Ili. Majesty to assist Spain so long as both countries were in alliance against France, and not to acknowledge any other sovereign of Spain than Ferdinand the VIM. Hut it was to be recollected that that family was already in the ac tual possession of the French, so that it was neces sary to provide for a case, in the event of their be coming extinct, where a contended and divided claim as to the right of succession might arise. Ile had no doubt that the Spaniards would give the right construction to the proviso allud ed 10, for it was not in this country that it could he so coustrued, should there arise any contention between the two branches. It did not depend upon us to stay who was right, or wl:o wrung. It would not have been proper for Its to have said merely that we could acknow ledge the lawful successor to the Spaniel) throne. lie that would he leaving es to determine who was the [twinl heir to it. As it stood it w ,, ti la b e Ir v _ timucy qualified by the acknowledgment of a na tion ; but, as to the acknowledgment of tiny Stave reign, imposed upon the Spatiiielt nation 'iv France, it was obvious that the obligation of the treaty could pot upply to it, as the whole par of th at Treaty to obviate that usurpation. To suppose that tlae Spaniards would acknowledge a usurper, was sup posing a case of difficulty which would entirely an nul the Treaty. Mr. POPHIIIM .expressed himself as pant!) , satisfied with the Right lion. (;stitleman's expla nation, but he could not yet approve of His Ma jesty entering into a contract to lie bound under all circuinstunces and difficulties, to assist the Spa nish mains,. There was another point upon which he wished also some explanation. It related to what appeared in a letter from Mr. Frcre to Sir Jahr; Moore, dated in January 1809; wherein it was stated—•' I leave to request that the bearer of this may be previously examined before a Council of War." He could nut help thinking that it was • most extraordinary request, for a person, not military, to make to a General commanding His .114ojesty's Forces, and wished to know what reason could he assigned for such a power being given to an individual in that suitputiOn. Mr. CANNING spoke to order, as he thought the Right Honourable Gentleman was not merely putting a question, but entering upon other sub. Teets which would lead I.iesllllr. C.) to trespass much beyond the ordinary mime of reply upon such occasions. Mr. PonsosraY acknowledged he was wrong in 60 doing, and therefore he %fauld confine his ques tion, by asking merely who the person was who was entreated with a message of the :nature he had stated. . Mr. CANNING said he could not gnawer the question, because he did not know who he was; but he maderstood that the cause of the examine- I of the person alluded to was, that he had wit. neared a scene passing in a quainter totally distinctfrom the place where Sir John Mome was mationed, which it wail neressery to divulge open oath. THIRD FINANCIAL REPORT. Mr. PoxsottaT again lose, and stated he next wished to put a question to the Chancellor of the Exchequer, relative to the Third Report of the Committee of Finance. Ile wished to know whether that Right Hon. Gentleman lied any plats I in agitation, for the purpose of carrying into effect. that Report. as it contained subjects very im portant. as to the public ascoaceny.and the ineu -1 race of the Crown, and it was necessary not to raise the expectations of the public upon such matters, without *hewing that the House had a wish to do their ditty. He should be glad to know what was to be done in regard to this particular, previous to j a motion coming oil, of which an Hon. Centlemati haul given notice. .The CNANCILLOR of the Ex cacques said, he did not think it necessary to state any thing upon this point previous to the motion alluded to coin .. ing on. , -, MR. FRERE. Mr. WHITBREAD expressed a wish to know, whe ther it was the intention of His Majesty's Ministers to continue Mr. Freer in his situation. and also what instructions were given by that Gentleman to . :epic rfittasengstv 41,44 to by his Right Montionalale 1 Eriend, (Mr. Poesonbyl Mil wheehdr.elk messeu r 'gee was a Frooduaa ot aisitaglisbauk 4 _. Mr. CA IS II two simmered, that with respect to the instructions alluded to, they were already in the papers laid before the House. As to whether Mi nisters were to continue Mr. Frere or not, he thought that was en improper question at the pre sent moment. Mr. WHITIIIMAD said, he intended to make a motion npou that ntlitictt upon • future occasion. Mr. CAN mtma said, that in further etplaoation of an answer to a question formerly put as to the treaty of 41st March, he shOuld wove for the pro (locums of tt Copies of the notes ex changed between the Spanish Minister and Sir Jose Moose. no to die regulation of the army, ilia Marsh 1111118. Ct(ELSII4 HOSPITAL. Husitsson .tated his intention to move for two additional papers, relative to the' lease of lands 4° colonel Gordon. to from the debate of F i rittay met, it appeared to him, that it was almost is sible, but there had been some misuuc levat a t He had since one to examine the inanduesip apd found that the Wilding they were AWN tie lIC N, would interfirre with the Infirmary, and mint he saw it he ma satisfied that there WIN he., !WWII= . some intentional. or accidental mistake or saisander. Mr. Poll9ollllllr, in pursuance of a antis* he gave I standing and a departure from the order of ihe Tres. • yervitery. rose for the purpose of potting a kw miry. In consequence of this,theSurveyor-Geuineleif ' IMO Olt Wit% as to thg'Coovvotton ' Mai Arthur Wellesley, itf August • aa net injurious to the public Mr • erith the answer of Loci Castlerengl Lord CASIFLZREAGS paid, he disld to state, previous to ntaki!o l Foa‘ Parliament, that he did apprise the 11 f4stiatit offifxr in querioa ...to -01• A tutus of all papers connected with tl to Ate Court of Inquiry.--iilt appear Ouse, the gallant officer did not thi ,V=ry m ore dtcut being th ',„"raidy was not aware that the prod pers now sought fur, would be 4 41ltho‘tgli, indeed nothing could hi `exaggerated, than the feelings of is the public mind, and much as the whole transaction, he certaiiill this motion, . could distinctly awn Friend, that none of. that injor bard beco excited on thy of Elio vernmant. • • hem. • '' Lard Cleeet.seeio Mode some observations . elderly applimble to what had fallen from Mr. s.- • • York; hut not atieliMe to the gallery. a • Mr. NICIIIOLAS CALVEST also spoke. but not "Viabbl a . •Illr.Yout, in reply to whet tied folks from the "'ldeal,. 'Lord who hoe animadverted epees hie cup- ' - dad, lie' should beg leave to tell hies, that he ! - Ifflt..Y.) lent been educated iit the principles of a • Whig. dud AM he had at just a sense of the pre- ' 'native of the Crown cod the homer of his Coun- try as any man. '• * The motion was thes pet sod carried. and oh*, t'' *Nether mention by the sone ltigM Hint. Gentle- !". • • Mai rklidtve to sr •1140111111114 of the twalutPoits am- `'yylnyed for taking the apalitish troops from Lisbon, • iarlseed hi a letter to Sir H. Dalrymple, dated 10th o January, 1901 t. , . lIPATIIIN TREATY. thit the Crown Lands hod beets soot for ana qbaseion ed, and it was foetid that the sews of the buildings had been fixed OD WON/US his consent. In coupe quence of this another scite had breu fixed .upon, which in the opinion of the Surgeon and Phyiriciati, way perfectly unexceptionable. He accordingly moved for " a Copy of a letter from George Har rison, Ea+ to the Surveyor-General of the Crown Lands, dated April 1809, with his answer thereto." Mr. M A X WICI.I. said, that since the last discussion upon this sulijrct, he had gone to Chelsea, to in spect the premises, and found ell admission refused even to Members of Parliament, and that the workmen were employed in boardilig up the Iron railing, so that no person 'night see what was still going on. Mr. Lone said, he had given no orders to that, effect, and hail no doubt dint the whole steps taken by the Treasury would. when the papers were laid before the House, meet with their appro bation. Sir OSWALD MOSE TAY said, that after what had fallen from the Honourable Baronet who had erdeted to be remelted. It had herd said that ha stated that only one house would be built stroll the ground; all he lino stated was, that there ass but • small .riot Inc 11Hildill): 011 it; but that that spot was only sufficient for die building of one house, he had never said. An Hon. Baronet had said that he had stated that the rrassiry had bought the whole of the grotnid tier the purposes of the Hospital ; what he stilled ask, that they bought the ground frow a helmet* that part of it would he as advantage to the Hospital. Geo. TARLETON explained. Mr. Luxe bititi, that it did not belong to him to admit the Gentleinen of that limier little the pre mises. An Hun. Gentleman thought it extraordi nary that nothing was done, until the Him. Bart. brought forward the inquiry ; the moron wag, that no complaiiii had been made ; ahe circumstance, of course, did not collie to the kilowledge of the Trea sury. All lion. General had said, that four acres were in the inrsaem•siou of Col. Goldon, and only half au acre appropriated to the purposes of the Hospital ; he could assure the House, that above brought this matter forward (Sir Francis, Burdett); one acre was nppropristed to the Hospital ; iu fact, whose indisposition prevented him that day from that it poiutessed all that was considered neeetwary attending in his place; he should have expected to it, with the exception of about an eighth of au that free access would have been given to Meat- Luxe, shout which there were disputed opinions. hers of that House to inspect the premises, but he Mr. Ca Luta re said, that he was one of those unilermtnod that Members were excluded both on Meudiers whoa ltemitted to own-lime the premises. Monday mid Tuesday. He was told, that this had but on applying` fur admission, he as. told don been done by the orders of the prevent Commander- Colonel Cordon bud giveu orders that no toe in-Chief. He hoped this war not die case, hut should In' admitted. He then rung a bell, which that the tictimit liberality would be shown to the was answered by a young man who repeated the Hospital, by the whole of the gsrdeu being giveu same words to hint. Alter this he celled tepoti up to the peirpose originally intended, the inure friend of his who belonged to the establishment, especially as the lands had been given up by Lord but he was not at home ;he eccordinely left wont Yarborough on that account, at a leas sum than with him, stating his wish to see the grounds, mid he would have sold the lease to any other person. received a note in answer, representing that us ini- Mr. Huseessos raid, lie had read the whole of practicable without an application to Sir David the Currrapondenee between Government and Lord Duudas, the Governor of the Hospital. That Yarborough, within these few days, but found that circumstance gave a colour to the statement of his on the contrary the highdit possible praise had HOh. Friend, and lie thought it right to explain it. been endeavoured to be obtained by those acting Mr. W. WY NNE thought it strunge that the for his Lordship. A legal opinion was taken as to complaint of the Physician should not have been whether Lord Yarborough could, by the terms of made before; and if his recollection was right, the his lease, make any use he chose of those hinds, as Hon. Gentleman had stated on a former night, that he proposed to make a wharf upon the River side, the Physician amid Surgeon approved of the bate. and o decision war given in the negative ; and ac- Mr. LONG said, that be alluded to the scite of cording to the value tongued by arbitration, • the Infirmary. sum was paid for the lease for the use of Govern- Mr. BARHAM said. that when it was evident that went. the Members of that House were excluded, some Mr. PERCETAL said that the whole matter had steps ought to be taken to find out by whose orders been submitted to the Directors of the Hospital, they were excluded. who declared that the quantity of ground they now Mr. WORTLEY STEWART said, that he heard possess was sutfictent. Upon that the application that ten thousand people went to see the ground at was made by Colonel Gordon, and what was unne- Chelsea. cessary for the purpose of the Institution set to 'fie question that the papers moved for should lota. With respect to the orders for excluding the he laid before the House, was put and agreed to. Members of the House of Commons, they could Mr. W. WYwax moved for a return of the nun not have been the orders of the Governors of the her of men recruited by the British army in Spinal Hospital, for the premises were in the possession of and Portugal. heather person ;if any orders were given to that Mr. liuseisson brought up the papers relative -effect, it was natural to expect that it was from to Chelsea Hospital, which were orth red to Ise upon the possessor they proceeded, and not from the the table. Governors of the Hospital. When the public Sir Tdostea TURTON said, that he was perfectly attention was drawls to • particular spot, as it sensible that any Member who came to ask lon the was to that the possessor might naturally have attention of the House to a subject upon which-it given • general order for the exclusion of the pub- had already decided, should have strong ground lie, without including Members of Parliament, to sit port him iu his request; it Would' be nee's though by accident it had had that erect. If any nary fur him to dew that there was something in one connected with Government had interfered voicing the dignity of the House; in addition to with the admission of Members, the House might which he thought be could also prove to them that with propriety make it a subject of inquiry ; but the liberty of the subject was concerned ; aenattet if it appeared that persons in iiiferior and subordi- to which he was persuaded the Houtio would hoe nate situations, or persons who were entirely dis- with greet considerution ;if such redeons did not tin& from Government, had done so, it should not exist iii the present instance, he would be one of the in his opinion occupy much of its lutetium'. last men to come forward with such aneppeal. He Mr. MANNY, LL txplaliied. was sore they would be unwilling that any proceed- General TABLETON said, that that was only the ins should he handed down to posterity from them second time the subject had come under the consi- which would be likely to affect their liberty and el deration of Parliament—and he had reason to con- dependence, and would assure the House that be was gratulate them that it had. One good consequence influenced i.e that bienneasby no other cousideratioe bad already followed from inquiry, the scite of the than that ofjustice, tied a for their honour house was to be removed. Another lee expected and consistency; he had no knowledge of the 'Arum would result immediately, the admission of Mem- or family of the individual in whose immediate Ca bers to examine the premises. The fact appeared sour Ins motion would operate. He would sime to be, that, of the ground bought for the purpose shortly the grounds upon which he founded it, and of improving Chelsea Hospital, half an acre if they would only take a more accurate view of the was applied to that purpose, and fear acres were .proceedings respecting General Claveriag, he was spared to Colonel Gordon to build upon. They of opinion, that they would be inclined to retract. were not to expect that the military establishment If, as he expected, a day had been set apart for the of the country would decrease, on the contrary consideration of the evidence ; lie would not have there was every reason to conclude that an increase hail occasion to trouble them that night, all parties would ensue, and, therefore, the Hospital of would have had substantial justice dune them. Ge- Chelsea should experience an increase of aCCOUIIIIO neral Clavering had been committed for prevents &lion. They had already ascertained that a gnev- Lion, but there was no precedent upon the Journals ante existed ; he was desirous that the papers of the House of a person committed for veva moved for should be granted, as they would afford ricetion upon such evidence. It had been said additional iaformatiou on the subject, with which, that he came with an intention to deceive the if the House was not satisfied, it would have teal House, in a fact upon which it was anxious to he opportunity of examining individuals at its bar, informed ; but let them consider under what cir for the purpose of ascertaining the necesaery facts ; cumntances he appeared before them ;he came not he was persuaded the House would pause before it as • voluntary witness. he came in onwequence of agreed to injure any public institntion, for the a letter sent by as How. Geotletosits purpose of gratifying any individual whatever. Here Mr. WHITBREAD rose to order. He said, Mr. Possowav said, that he did not think the that if he understood the Hon. Baronet's speech, worthy Baronet behind him at all censurable for it was his intention to conclude with a motion to having stated, that he had heard the order wan reverse a proceeding which the House had debuted, given by the Commentler-in-Chief ;he had rated and on which it had resolved that session ; such a it as a matter he had heard ; it rested with the motion would, in his opinion, be it:consistent with Ilronotteable Gentlemen opposite to contradict the ' the forms of the House. report if they could. The only attempt to COW. Sir THOMAN TURTON said, that if that was the tradiet it, was by a supposition, and suppmition only motion be intended to submit, the Houour wds not a satisfactory refutation. He (Mr. P.) able Gentleman's opiniess mightlamight. wished to know whether the grant of the ground The Ses•ada observed. that he could ualy pro to Colonel Gordon was already made out, for if leis pow one motion at a time. right of ownership was established. he might !mid Sir Tuos.TURTON acknowledged it was bisinten the house upon that very spot, which the Hon. dun to move for the release of General Clattering. Gentleman had acknowledged to be so emotive- The SPRAICHR said, that that being the Hon. taient. Baronet's motion, he was of opinion. that con- Mr. Lone said that it was a conditional rent, it sistently with the forms of the House, he could not provided that nothing should be erected on it that proceed with it. if the Hon. Hamlet thought lie would interfere with the convenience of the Hos- could make not a case sullieleutly Aron to justify a new proceeding, it would he for hies to she" why Mr. Poesowet thought it eery - extraordinary General Cluvenng should be-dismissed , unbent then that sttemut of the kind should be made, petitioning the authority of die House. end that no inquiry should have taken place, until Sir 'flumes TUBTON said, he would state the the Honnuretile Baronet had brought the business • grounds opoo which he thought that General Cis before the House :he recollected that an Hon. veriug should be dismissed in such a manner. There Gentlemen had stated that the ground was of so ' wes • precedent of each* dismissal. as early as the little value there could be but one house built time of Cherie,. the H. in the Mee of Sir John Her upon it. man ; he was committed for prevaricesioo, and • Mr. Htnattseew mid, that it was not for the missed without petitinniog. lit the order wen . Trownry to say when the house should be built, hating the proceedings in dischargione prisoners, the they had only to provide that it should lint inter- concluding words were s• the pnsoner slush tie fere with the hospital ; having so provided, has brought up unites otherwise disposed of by the thought thet„-if a house or any other building was Howie." Supposing he was not guilty, would it Ire built so as to interfere, that building would be right to confine him until he had acknowledged his `..~ ■