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R att. bs woady *e want of nee. h , nlliug on rise Remembestrcer. eased tbe Addams l oas.ed is that Cour iziess that it timid be read. He was itecsonie he was hire ill•t it would be )1 • laajwitT of oiyi,../sat.. by ix wet majorities to owe of the largest t. ul ever sees.m.refprimerrk44• itaragei speared to can of tlia evissung-ases-.-- 'poised the worthy , Hisealeoppis. would wet. abpix,:t avow.—(ftere Mr. Atkins cried out. that he did *art to thew, hetillituld abstaii Apse my tamirks open it; but heltrould'contend, with. at few at contradiction, that the whole of %he Leptesentatives of tbeCity had had an opportueity Fatiressing theieseuei meets upon the Address, and ifluenciug at by their votes, if they thought proper extretse tbe, opportunitv—(.4ppreete.)- I Vhen ti Court wassumusesedoll theCuurt was included a dila t oriness's% audits romintious were valid, not. ithstaedimg the ebsetice of the negligent.—(A p faints). As to the positive merit of the Address, e.erie'nothing to it disrespectful tft the House of Iranswick. nothing disrespectful to the Parliameist F (Inlet Britain. nothing unbecoiniug the Citizens Loudon, in times lake those (npplunses). Hr as no party man; he believed the Court would do im the justice to acknowledge that he was not ; he mild not go all the leugths of certain gentlemen; et he thote,;ht it impossible, that any people, with teir eyes open, could he insensible to the aggraii isement upon which the present Ministry was eat. and the constant solicitude they evinced, to refer their ewe interest to that of the pablic—eifp- Fees: s).—hie hoped, that the Members of thou !ourt would nut act like so many children, and roared to contradict to-day what they had app roved of yesterday. Sit Cu amts ?ma said. that what would fall eau bias to-day might probably be considered us Invitees that party with whom he was in the habit (acting. He admitted, that the act of than who tat ea the ',cession upon which they were sten *Md. was the actor all, as completely as if all had ite. /Applause's.) He was bold to say. t h at a =el into than himself, or one more sincerely to his kiertigu. was not in the Court, or i the Country. At the MUSIC Caine* When a - nice are of this description wee brought forward. he felt iluself bound to resist it, its inconsistent with the igxlieem ty of die Court. (Applaases a. .) tie was still. est of the same opiatesbefore; witls.respect 5 tbe.,oreas itself, he bad.the same objection to , ; he considered it as.a disrespectful Address, and, us which it would be fur the honour of the Court alter..if itemtlit do e° consistently with its own filitle regulations, which it could riot, with dignity r propriety. abandon. He hoped the Address veld be published, far he was cure that if it was, would sweet with the same fate which that which as prodoced in Ow Court last Monday had met ids. /Lied dissispobotioa.) .It would have a good feet upon the public mitt& by abewiog to what eigth the party was willing to go. Mr.I.VC&I observed, much matter was introduced Ste the Address. which, be was persuaded, had seer entered into the contemplation of the Court. it &Honied to thou reflections which were passed that elm of their best Generals, without any in. pity. He would appeal to all the Members who two puss alt upon that occasion, whether they on. Ittelluelleflism the notice, or from any other intil the debate itself informed them I such reflections were to be introduced la obaarvid. that there was no differenee of opi leo at to the necessity of inquiry, and supposed it ea ie the recollection of most of them, that a Willy Alderman had pledged himself, in case such o inquiry was proposed in Parliament, that he souk support it. It would therefore be more be eating. in his opiiiior, to wait until Pediment and refused, before any effort was mall to press it l e 'pun their attentioe. This was the reaton why he igned the Itequirition, and opposed the Amend. went. Mr. M AWN 4!C could not conceive, for a moment. hat so extraordinary a reason, as that which the last speaker but one had advanced, in favour of publishing the Address, could possibly have been advanced by any Member of that Court. He had expressed his wish that it should he brought before the public, merely that it might be condeinued and fiegraced by them If he had not this instance be. Hite his eyes, he could not hiive believed it possible for any member to be notions for the disgrace of the society to which his belonged. The first subject for their inquiry was, whether they had any precede sus to bear them out in the re-consideration of this Address t If they had, he was most decidedly of opinion twat they should proceed in re-considte it. (Applause). lie perfectly acquiesced in the go• tieral.spinthf it. (Appleusse.) Ile thought that the country ought to take care to whom it was in• treated, noel of what description its Ministers were. (Applause.) But though an address fur inquiry might be necessary. he ,had sot see why any unqua lified censure should be attached, either to blmiste, a or Commanders. (Applause.) He therefore thought it was something unjust to be talking of inquiry, and, in the same breath, giving judgment. (Ai.- plauu.) lie did not think it right to bniqg people to trial with halters round their necks, mid there fore he. wonfd vote for reading the Address. `Mr. WAITKMAN said, that he was precisely of the same opinion with his worthy Friend who sat near hen, and who had done great I 00000 mir to him self 114111 to the Como, by the part he hid taken. lit was the more happy to have his support mom this occasion, as he was generally in direct typo asnuu to him ; a circumstance which led to the strongest presumption of integrity soil independent feeling in this instance of has support. He had said. that if he consulted his 'private feelings, he would rate for the reading of the Address ; upon the same ground of feeling, he (Mr. W.) would rote for it, because he was sure that nothing ob. iectioaable would be found in it. or militating iii any 'simmer against those principles which it ors their duty to maintain.—( Lord applosses.) Ile was not surprised that many should on;ect to where heal proceeded from him an this case, its they were always an the habit of %hewing Ishii the wane regard. The hour, it was tisiii, was late ; bit it was net mid, that the itireatigetion was imperfect. or the discussion limited; on the contrary, he could state, that it was most full and accatate; there war not a s.a.gle pot-it 111 the whole Ouch .r. 1111 1 .1 • '••••••1 treat. and that disastroubl; there mu greyed for said so still. Da Was it to be presumed, that those who sat there doing their duty, until a late hoer, should tie turned upoa by those who neglected the performance of it, and told, that, because they had neglected it, the industry of the others should go for nothing. He was is years i. Member of that Court,and in the ha bit of toting with minorities, yet he had never resorted to an attempt of this kind. He had been left in • minority upon the debate about a monument to Mr. Pitt, which was resolved upon. A more dis graceful act than that the Court had new passed ; and though it was lost by three only, they did not attempt to debate it again ; on the coutrary, when application was made to him far that purpose, he had too much respect for the proceedings of the Court to violate its forms, however great the oc casion, or however strong the probabilities by which he was encouraged.— ( elpplauseel they resolved, in the present instance, to discuss the Address again, he would be obliged to repeat all his arguments—the entire debate should be re ' Dewed, or the Gentlemen present elsould decide without consideration. No objection whatever was Made to the broad ground of inquiry ; indeed, if they objected to that, they might as well give up lie right of petition altogether. (Applanses.)— Gentlemen, it was true, had said that Portia strut would take cognizance of it, and that they would . support the inquiry, if moved in that place; but lie could not depend upon this.— (Appleuses.) He had seen them for many years opposing all such inquiries, and, on that 'milieu felt u difficulty, which lie could not surmount, in complimenting them with his confidence. He was sorry that the worthy Gentleman opposite had let fall an observation, which proved his ignorance ef the Constitution ; namely, that the Address was a retlectiou upon the Parliameut. if lie had only ' looked for a moment into the authorities, he would have found the right of petition established upos the strongest fuutelation ; he would have seen how the persons who brou.;ht the Constitutiou to what it is, and by whom the present Family was seated on the throne, regarded such right ; and from so seeing. he would have been taught to respect and cherish it. The arguments used upon this occa sion brought to his remembrance the times of James 11. The complaint then was, that the Per► liameut was not called together; but the Coins plaint now was. that, though called together, it wee currupt, and thereby inadequate to the i = pto bf its • meeting. (Here one or two Menefee • , Gentlemen might smile; but he defied film to point out a petition in the whole of dot Ihseak sl . (presenting a volume of the Proceedings stionewr Common Couneils,)inore moderate is its timing. or inure respectful in its language. A little balm the Revolution, a petition was presented, then por ing for die meeting of the Parliament. Upon that occasion, many persons (like many of the preseat slay) opposed it as improper and disrespectful t• the Sovereign ; but what did the Parliament think of it itself ?---eshy it voted that it u s es the undoubted right of the subject to petition the King to call Parliament together, for the redress of grievances, and that to represent to His Majesty that such pea. tions were seditious, was • violence againt the ancient rights and privileges of the people of this kingdom. The opinion of Parliament was therefore express upon the subject of this right. Previous to that time, the debistes iu the Flouse of Commons were timer limited; bbt immediately after, permissionwas gives to that aerie; that the people 'night ree the cosidttet ' of those who acted fur them. Time right of petition was then asserted and maintained, end Amour& recognised by the hilt of Rights, to the esehmiss .4 of all disputes and contradiction. He had stshad, at the last meeting, the affair of Minorca, as appli cable to the then discussion ; he thought so still. Lord Chatham (the Lord Chatham of that day) was, he believed, fully as great a man as Mr. Perceval, and yet, he declared, in answer to their address at that time, the sittisfactiop he felt, in observing how dearly the people respected the honour of the Crown, and of the country. So contrasted were the opinions of former Ministers with the present. —.With respect to precedent, some Gentlemen lied called out that they had precedent fog the reconsideration and revisal of the address ; but what sort of precedent was it Wheel that Corporation voted an Address, it ordered the Sheriffs to wait upon His Majesty, to know at what time the ad dress so voted should be presented ? Why, then, having obtained leave to present one address, should they presume to otter another. —(elppleastes.)- IVonld it not he better even to do wrong once, in support of a just principle, than to give up that just principle, and do wrong in many cases. Sup pose that a iniW and water Address had bees rated; and that another, more strong and vigomus, had been proposed—what would Gentlemen think of this daring innovation ? But now that a vigorous and strong Address had beau voted. it was not thought so daring to substitute it with • milk and water one. He, and those with whom he acted, bad never quarreled with an Address, after it was once re.olved upon. They acted according to the prin ciples of the book which he had quoted, which was• new nut of print. and which they ought to sub. scribe to republish, for the purpose of instructing them in the principles of that conduct which it would become them to adopt. Under all those cis.. enisistances, lie itopcti they would see the propriety of going up to the King wills a temperate and loyal, but, at the seine time, bold and manly lane, gnage.--I.4ppi,nrses). As to the necessity 0f..1114 quiry, no one could contradict it. Was there ssici thing due to the country, nothing to the scaly, which lie was represented to have libelled, bat which he had not libelled ? He admitted that it was composed of the 'semen men, but he could' not help observing, that the way to eouuteract, to de. feat, mid rtti tt that bravery, was to stifle inquiry in those instances where its bravery wu rendered use. How could it think of opposing itself to the haennies of the enemy, if there was no encodrage meat to its spirit, or inquiry into its disasters—if justice was not dune upon the ignorance which Dna applied it ? lf he vies ever so sure that Parliemeut :r, titat atten. o batted gat observe open , gild if he *as to observe 1 1 c. fie had saraMer points. to which his . observatioas wets Fart, and was partseaTarty directed. It was that which respected is anxious fur the f rom mander to who* illusion was already be approved. made. Ho had said atrtady, that Van army marched out. of. the boldly into a country, and was in want of prevision it Courts he for three days, and was afterwards obliged to re- would take ttp tl►e which he war by think t►et they w net Tote for the form opinions upon to form, but to ea, would follovi from fear toexpresstbe Look to the de ing tell him that Majesty. When . w hoot such disgraces tinned a Cabinet M' the intention of Ministers to dragoon the Parlia ment ?--(App/auses.)-otLet the people then stand by the Parliament ; these were not less serious times than the times of Lord Chatham, or those of any other Minister who had ever presided over the affairs of Great Britain. He was sure they would nut stop here ; they would recollect that the person by whom the Expedition to Holland, by whom the Expeditions to Spain. were planned, and the Con vention of Cintra brought about ; and against whom corrupt practices bad been proved in the very House of Commons, which he had insulted by such actions ; they would remember that he was not dismissed in consequence of any one of them, and that his colleagues themselves bad told them so. When they saw a government tolerating, encouraging, and adopting the perpetrators of such mischievous experiments and corrupt practices, , surely they must see the necessity of inquiry ; and, , seeing that necessity, they mud have the spirit to vote e'er it. Mr. Dixon said, that it was not his intention t o follow the worthy Gentleman in any extraneous matter.—He had but a few observations to make. It had been repersented, that, upon the discussion, respecting the Address, many among the party which opposed it were runaways. Runaways, per haps they were, but they were come back again, to try their strength with those from whom they fled. It was his wish to encourage every young speaker ; he did not know how he could better shew that in dulgence, than by advice. A young . Gentleman bad spoken upon a side against which he would caution him ; if he took his advice, he would not persist in following the pack (is lanes). The Iroise thy Member observed, that an Address to His Mo. jesty was now very unnecemary, when he considered the prosperity which the country enjoyed. The Parliament would soon meet, and then application mold be made for a redress of any grievance. He odd, that be could satisfactorily account for the conduct of those Gentlemen, who, by leaving the Court. had incurred the impair/lima of running away. In the summons Which had been issued upon the occasion of the last meeting, the word Expo. ditiou, tad lint Expeditions, had been used ; and yet the Gentleman had proceeded upon a discussion of a long series of expeditions ; and those who would have heard him upon the occasion for which they were summoned, could not patiently wait to a very late hour, to hear him up on a subject fureigu from it. Mr. Idiot said, that a worthy Member asserted there was nothing of disrespecs to His Majesty con tained in the Address. He entirely differed from him ; there was language in that Address, evincing a disrespect to His Majesty, wad to the Court ; he could not comprehead the meaning of the word disrespect. if that Address did not contain the lan guage of it. The ground of his objection to the presentation of the Address was, that the Court had no right to meddle in the affairs of the Crown. This put him in 'Mod of an indictment in the Court of King's Bench, of a ear an named Horseman, for pub fishing a libel, written by Hague, against the Duke of Sussex ; the honest Counsellor, who generally at tended that Court is estate of i nebriation, observed, that the Defendant had is right to libel as well as the city. (A lough.) It had been said, the pre sent was on awful crisis ; he was not in the habit of looking at things on the dark side ; and even if he did think the ends gloomy, be would not be the maa to represent its gloom, sad dishearten by his example ; but the bigotry, instead of labouring under this melancholy gloom, was enjoying the extreme of prosperity. Had it not an exuberant flow of the blessings of imports and exports ? Had it not, within the last year, doubled the product of any for mer one, in itsadvantages from commerce ? and wise could say the present crisis was awful ? He had been laughed at by a worthy Member, but he was insensible to any sneers against him, while in the cesseientious discharge of his duty. (He again adverted to the present prosperity of the country. and was quoting Adam Smith, in confirmation of his statement, ai to the increase of commerce, when he was interrupted by loud cries of .6 Question.") Mr. Alderman CIIIRISTOPIIER SMITH said, that it was not only an insult to His Majesty, but to the Absighty,sto offer au Address. Mr. Csavreuotte. said, that, upon the question being put, open the last day of meeting, he was not prevent, sad thrreforehad no opportunity of voting ; he wished the petition should be read. Mr. Wageta said, the division upon the last meeting was like that of the House of Parliament upon the hominess of Ladd Melville ; he said that whoever would propose a division, would bring the Court into disgrace. A warthy*Memberhall spokeu of abstract questions; this was really an abstract question, viz. whether the petition should be read, or should not be read ? Mr. KEDUILS said, that he wished the petition to be read, that he might judge for himself; it was his duty to give his firm disapprobation of any lau goer derogatory from the dignity of his sovereign: Mr. Sheriff ATZINS•Rid, that a worthy Alderman had made very uncorafortable remarks upon his conduct ; he knew not upon what principle they differed ; they were, in his opinion, completely cu. incident. He stood independent and fended ; he knew that public men must have public reparation ; he had an Address in his pocket, the object of which was to procure that reparation. A (geode man said that he had acted in an ungentlemanly manner; ( 81 Order! Order r); he was surprised Ibis worthy colleague bad passed it in to side-wind s way. The petition should be couched in most respectful terms—in terms of extreme submission. Woe not His Majesty to feel his dignity J os much as one in private life ? and will lie he inseor ble to an affront offered to that dignity ? The question before us needs not so much discussion, it is one of a very simple nature. 1 say ihr best hopes of the roma try have been disappointed by this late calamitous petitioning , to c keeping it within the rules of respect and sub mission. Mr. Sheriff WOOD said, that the Gentlemen who had objected to the Address earned on the last day of meeting, said there rhombi be an Address ; but what was it to be ? one of their own ch oos i ng . Perhaps they were afraid to alley their Address with dignity ; not that they feared a repulse ; foe on en application of Beckford to His Majesty, upon a much more serious occasion, he was most grad ciously received. It is from the Ministers., mid not from the king, a repulse is to be expected and fe• ceived ; and Dot the leer from them, since their ac quisition of Lord Wellesley. What did Lord Cochrane say of the spirit of the eitizens of Low. don ?—" In the city they crow like co c ky; b u t at Court they hang their beads." Mr. Lucas said, that they were Dot afraid to go up with an Address. in which heir respect awl submission were testified ; but they certainly had every objection to offer to one which contained. at the same time, a reproach of His Majesty's . misters, and a deprecation of his generals. Mr. WA IITH)! AN raid, that it was the particular concern of every main, that the Address should be highly respectful : it, was so, in every sense, re • presented in constitutional language. When he should hear of 4 disrespectful Address. Ile would . read the present as n contrast to it. It reflected honour upon that Court. If His Majesty bad corrupt Ministers, it was the.duty of His Majesty's subjects to represent it, aid those were his best friends who would tell him of the abuse of his go- ' vernment. There was then a 616ew of hands, for the ques tion, and the Low, Marini declared, that he thought the shew wan in favour of the amendment. The bar was then cleared of strangers, for a diti sion upon Ali/lemon Wood's amendment, when it • was loot by a majority of :7 ; the doors being closed. Mr. Sheriff ATKINS then proposed an amended address, which prodscFcl i nzuch discussion. The doors were tint stn ned, but we under stand, that, afteeertiiii • debate of four hours, the Address,.* 4 amended. was carried; the cumbers being-- Foy the Amendment tto • ' 'Against ft lot , MOwity —l3 Severest fi4atitioes for Leases were read sad tr.- (erred to tommittaeo to eiamioef and Reports for payment of tradaienoteo hills. teed for gratuities to officers, were riik'aglied to, and ordered.—The Court then adjourna. • the titiliingsa, a circumstance upon expls4L-thadalsa is tr e ay r had Lees •ktitniled• means so eass assured he would still Ri b : • Aisle crisis a ve r y a t% ful ware not iLngyshinen if they did -Thew bee'littr. l ll'aithius i .) 11„t ie Address. They had a right to egmkgrcil htm.AP .salitonsitleritgkt us *yell. lie. upon public measures, and sot only hliireirar, was immovable is. hiarophion ; and even express them ; shame and disgrace iftlgkedotry was in )uch iiiitaty s ,he would nit be rotathe neglect to exercise, or the thtellitaman MWI het it seas No men be sentialents which reason dictated. couldtgpyMiat Wattisduct had, upon auy occasion, Government, would anyone lie- been intlearniggqphe,coliceiyed the country d e • it there was no use in addressing Ills minded an inquiry into the conduct of Ministers-- e n they saw Lord Chatham, under it had felt and exprerised indignation at theieien- races had been experienced,still cow duct. Itio'man entertained a doubt of its right ut ;et Minister. did it not appear to be retitioning ; but that right was to be supported by THE BRITISH PRE LONDON. THURSDAY, DSCINSKii 14. According to the latest "accOu ate, received last night from Oxford, we understand that Lords GIMP . VILLE and Ernow were nearly equal, and that ea/ Duke of Bilaait ore was considerably behind. l Speculation, accommodating itself to ths p ,anpid changes of the, Alinistry,istaily produces agw re ports. It is now 901.. that Lord MAILGILAVI is to be et the head of thv.,Qadoante,'altd be succeeded in the Admiralty by Lord blatmta.a. Much damage, we fear. has been sustained by the shipping on our coast, in the dreadful gate of Monday night. The Hero transport, Captain Stone, and a large ship, supposed to be a West Indianian, were driven on shore on the Main, near Sandwich ; the Here got off end put into Itaiusgate.--One vessel sunk off Broad Stairs.—`Seven verse", were driven on shore in Lymington Creek, but got off without am mage.—The Coffee Planter was driven on shore on the Spit of the East Tong, in the Queen's Channel, but got off, and went into •Matgate Roads.—The Pelham, Hunter, lost her Where and cables. The Leonidas ; of Lousiest, frees the Baltic ; the • beim of Weymouth, Carter ; the Norwich; Card tier ; and the Russian ship Usaries, (a prize), ease driten on shore neer Yarmouth. A vessel foundered at sea off Yarmouth, and it is feared all on hoard perished ; name unknown. The Brlkrophon. man of war, was run foul of in Yarmouth Roads, and received damage. Farther particulars are gives in our naval column. • From all the concur-nog information or testituo nies to whicls we have been able to resort, we are too well authorised to assume, that the accounts whieb are anzioaaly expected from Spain, ithi,neva they may arrive, will, by no means, he of a pleasing or exhilirating nature. At Seville, it is indeed ad mitted, that all wee suspicion, mutual apprehen sion, and distrust, on the part of the Juuta,tuitier the people. The Address f or Proclamation, issued by the former Asserably,couvoking the Curtes, con tains, indeed, many beautiful and affecting pas sages, or appeals to the nation, and to the human mind. But it remains equally to be explained, why, during so long a period..dritifir;;tliex sever hate yet assembled the Stettral'At4 411, .14ep aoir they at length summon that friiresil l iartv .l e Vody to meet fur isusiness, they take care to name se die tent a day, the lot of Mart:, nest, its models it toll' probable the destiny sidle whale Peniessialanill l.e irrecoverably de:idedilittfore: the Cortes can inter- fere. If the resent Gossip', l ilies of Spahipi once on theirou may be altowi4 they ousbt .tero• of Du, MARCH A N 0 9 1 t! Jiilkult to pros when opposed I the stiug or NA he says, iu the F irs &wow coot for nothing in That the gra Aranjuts on th it is pretende clatiged to ret ,:arching tO 10 the Ministe tut, instead o b . e.rn able to sad that the f at. or in the vi perhaps could such a =stein if made. woult understood t/ arise to the Barcelona, Si at least two •arre, and of t►e residence analogous to I fortified, defy two to many .14011 ATARTE churches, in c of his buperts spoliation, pr That the inhal expel their ( suppose. 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