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.1 .-- a i l always express!. and this sentiment he would never I I s ' aii Rut w hen this measure was pnionsed as an alteration for i e nion• A could that alteration be obtained ? If no!, it 1 i in. wou ld at • ,tors, i Min to be richer hunting to say, you may have a I 4:els:'1711;il eliohicil it is known eilli b t b we to dopted. The question then I ,an y are you prevented from I rat*-- aa wi l r ile could not see the bearing which this had upon the ehos.l-oroniio bed , considered. It mattered not, if it was se, if it could 0 be obtal i va or why it was prevented; and in the 1 ra y tame h iinc,eml b y min cry . a ing m a mil to be mach: If the Catholic i i - .)„.., be not granted, what, he would ask, would be the con. i • iaa s o a c a" . to I r el a nd ? should the refusal he auSmited to or re- 1! it ,.., 4 ,4 If it were to be submitted to, then the Catholic As. put down. Ile ehtietted some Honour.. elation'-i. must ba a bear in mind, that if in the course of his o t a ti l en a a n tien' a - ta n r y to thing should fall from him which might i • box , hardly on them, they wets not to consider that he meant „an:warily to attack them, but that he was prompted to it by a ne. IT defend himself: lie beagal, huurevever, to observe, that Wil oo af' I)U:tang himself on his trial, he meant to file • cross-indict. par f oot aga inst them, and to put them on their trial also. lie had into i tof h o nour of first coming tainent as the zealous advocate o r the Boman Catholic Claims, when his friend 3lr. Gentian was aaa f , hiellbee and adveuted the same cause. lie (air. Plunkett) 9 Wiped la support of this gm 'Lion on the grounds that it was con. ! anent and just, and likely to advance in the favour of those who held the reins of Government. lie did state in the course of his ; t an a s peech that was atairwards published , and from which an itt t!e:t 1144 ro d a last night by the Honourable aleniber for Lincoln i mr. J. Williams), and which he would never object to have read saygentleman who desired it. He did state in the course of t i a ai l apeec h, that he considered it a deplorable thing that the c a binet should be divided on the gunmen, that it was no „n aaf i quo ion, 011 which a division might be fairly allowed, bats v ital question, and one that they had had opportunities of considering again and again ; and one which, if they did not con fider, they did not do their duty towards the people. He admitted as: it might be fairly inferred from hit speech, tnat he considered ne Gove rn ment of the country, in oot having made up their minds this question, had n ght in jounag not acted rightly, and that he would not be us • Government an divided. Now he oistiretly de eared, that be had since changed that opinion—the opinion, lie a unt, as to the inference that lie could not, with honour and can. ••Ay, rill that Government—and now he was rot of that opi tam pleat, bear, hear, from the Opposition Benches.) lie ail not think he was in any way evading the question against yin, nor in any way a:tending it. That opinion, he re ad he had since changed, and the question was, on what to° • a intiple that change had taken place? Was he justified in fe lunging, Was it his fault, or was it owing to circum stances in which he might include Paine portion of blame to dime via made the charge against Min. When he made that speech he pandered, that although there existed among some part of tne Ca. and professions in tavour of the Catholics, tome,: professions meant annieg, and were little else but a mockery. His Right lion. baba (Me. Canning) was not then o f ihe M n istry u Laughter.) net= the yea evening on which lie made that speech, he was re pliel to by a Noble Lind (who had since departed from this world), vac reminded him. that notwithstanding Ms assertion, lie had 'wed a Government that was divided on this subject—in aung the Duke of Bedford—which Lord Castlereagh told LID, and he admitted, was not entirely agreed upon it; for led Sidinouth was hostile to it. Lord Grenville friendly to it, ma: Lord Erskine optemd it. lie did not at that time think the castiun was at all advanced, or that there was any good prospect careens for the Catholic cause to • Cabinet so divided, and lie taught there appeared a better chance of it on that side of the Eau on which its now stood. He was not bound to any indivi cm in the House, to give his reasons for his conduct. if any in andual in that Administration had any claim upon him, it was atil Grenville, and Lord Grenville only ; no other al ember of it ,veld have had the slightest reason to complain, it the very day remaking his speech he had finned the opposite party. Well, e and the adennivaration he had connected himself with were hauling assiduously, with the assistance of Lord Castlereagh, so cin a short time a bill was passed through the Mouse of Coul ees, which granted to the Roman Catholics a great portion of lea claims; from that day he never doubted the sincerity of Lord unlereagh on the subject. lie (Mr. la) went on, arguing and the. nouinglus sentiments; and after the lamented death of 31r.Grattan, le brought forward a bill which was carried by a majority through nr House, and sent in triumph to the House of Lords. Had he, :refine, any reason to suppose that a divided cabinet could not carry it measure, which was only thrown nut by a small majority in the ilaus• of Lords? He would inform the Hon. Gentlemen opposite, s' he had found in the course of a few years the Roman Catholic nation had made way, step by step, since he had separated hiin el from Mom Hon. Gentlemen. He had found that in many M ai:eel:hey had chosen untenable and mischievous ground, and he rig forced to dissent from them. On the question as to the re. :oral of the war, this had been the use, because he felt it his duty onset; further, in the question as to the dia arbances that alp tad this country in 1819, and it was a most important question, a hsd been under the necessity of taking his stand on the ground it public mkt,' ; it was also the same on the question of Par. Bunten , Reform. On all great cardinal questions he had . been forced to differ from those Honourable Gentlemen ; and it nut not he only who differed from them, but the public also Inith dos ditchnisaes of the lion. Gentleman on the opposite side of the Mouse bevies any claim upon him, and with this ex planation of the eawdoet he had adopted, he saw no reason. ea ground on which it could be objected to him that he had seeded to the gracious commands of Its Sovereign, when he so pleased to make use of his services. He was not afraid to Wide 21611judfori•• of the House and of the country in the conduct he pursued. Zio Ron. Member had a right to throw out insi. nations as to his motive, or conduct. He did not insinuate any nag against the motives of others; he owed the explanations he had given to his consistency and his honour; and it any per m improperly supposed that he had taken office for the emo luments of the situation he occupied, he would appeal front such an unfair and unjust imputation to the history of his life—to the known sacrifices he had made of emolument, to preserve tat consistency of action from which he had on no occasion trace swerved. (Hear, hear.) His Hon. and Learned Friend the Reinter for Winehilsea had said, that the cause of the formation of the Catholic Association was, that they took the manage. meat of their (fairs into their own hands, finding themselves abstioned by their old friends ' who accepted office, and eh:in deed them. The Roman Catholies of Ireland, as far as re ggae' hint. he could safely assert, did not sympathise in this eautnent Since his acceptance of office he had four times, at the aletrece meetings of that body, and through this very Association, MARA the thanks of the Catholics—he had been honoured with the 'spleen of their entire confidence in his integrit), and of the anurance that their hopes of success mainly depended on the con tinue of these exertions for which they thus expressed their graiude; even so late as November last, he had reeesved this tea timocv al their esteem from them, and he had received it, although helai refused to be the slave of their directions, both as to the time when their petition, entrusted to him last Session, was to be Inman turvis•d, and as to the conditions which he might feel it Fun any to introduce into it. His countrymen were a tractable, a just, a d generous people, and although he had refused to present a intition from the Association—hut as the petition of the Roman CAIAI4I generally, yet they paid a testimony to the sincerity of the notion and principles which governed his conduct. This re tention to which he last referred, originated with Mr. Woulfe, a Inneman of the Irish bar, and a Member of the Association—a min shunt he was happy to have occasion to name in that House, ono; anount of his having originated this motion, but as a man tan sh en there was not to be found one of higher talents, or more errl!•.e sorb, in tie rising hopes of the country. On the oc .uion n rut he referred, the Romvn Catholics placed this petition in life tunas of the Honourable Baronet, the Member for West. toiler, and they stated, that the reason which induced them 1,..1 i d0 so, mat the apprehension that the duties of his (31r. i ronkett's) situation might render it inconvenient to attend Irly to their interests. They at the same time entreated his neat —that entreaty was not made in vain, and whenever '' Honourable .)!ember might think proper to bring for. stud that . petition, he might rely upon the best support that he cold giro it. And of one thing more he could assure him, it was 11 a -that when the Hon. Baronet should introduce it, he (Mr. P.) ' 'odd not that meanie walk out of the House, and leave ka to high; the battle of the Catholics. (Loud laughter.) In au alluding to what had passed on a former occasion, he only did • ha exem p t and relieve himself from the responsibility of having l a n ° tho consequences of the conduct that some lion. 31ent a' waitht proper to observe vented on aim. He did not mean to : aainate any thing agtinst the motives which might have actuated aa ran. Baronet in ehe course he then took. o,n almost all points rinks he differed from the lion. Baronet, but he was happy a r .i lhe opportunity of expressing his conviction, that a more z 7 1.1)1 e, consistent, and sincere politician—a man more dis t" Vend by high and unsullied honour, public as well as private, Zaf en be found within the walls of Parliament. (hood cries j. ae , hear, from both sides of the House.) He was glad of the 7 411 9 that pre•ented it s elf of the expression of these sweimenw names the Hon. Baronet (Sir F. Burdett here bowed), and he • '';‘' l ,. 4 he base and engsteful—he repeated it, base anti ungrateful, ! ~ n e riot awn - uuMy seize the opportunity of rendering this tap ' 'al of the high esteem in which he held him. He had thus Stupid the House at some length as to the conduct he had pur. "L He had done so reluctantly ; but it was imperative upon eia because, since the filet moment of the introduction of this ' , stare to this hour, en alleged inconsistency on his put had been o" _ atry adverted to, which was certainly giving to him an import „. '; r id what he d es e rve d- 1n inconsistency, however, which 4d w aftheaged as one not of action but of opinion. (Hear.) raid „ had to complain of the treatment he had experienced from 7 owourable alember for Lincoln (31r. J. Williams.) That a l t 3 1ember had quoted a passage from the speech delivered by r'" 31813 . In t h at passage it even appeared he had disapproved . • L. mho .., • ittemperance ef the public speakers in those assemblies ' - ' 4 ate ted to be the organs of the Catholic body. Ile con dilrai c • • them on that occasion, and his cor.demnatoon then was in Nest accordance and contistency with his condcnination of the ""e in temperance now. The Honourable and Learned Gentle , . f r a ; awl rot fairly quoted him, er he would have found aaam endeavoured then, as now, to separate and detach the 0 7,,,,,.. 4 f the Catholics at that period from the violent proceedings bi - ' 1 ° 60 t 1 e 11 ; so now did he endeavour to induce the House 4 ..lOfawen the vices of the Ca th olic Association on the Roman a n aa , alulation of Ireland. (Loud cries of Hear, hear.) The !st'e'm Learned Gentleman would have perceived that this was a' i aaa if he bad but read the paragraph which preceded that ,ta clone him the honour to quote. H^ would there find the na":aa sentiments:—" 'lle conduct of the Roman Catholics s ia erl ,. Tanned to as t he argument to abandon the pledge which a ., acia . hell out to m hist Session. lam not the ad. n• of tier intemperance; there are some proceedings of the body which affects to act for then, thet are cettai unjustiliable , —auch are their attempts to direct the public m'nd on all political autiita.a, and to point out to them how they ought to act—the holili g an inquisition on their exercise of the elective franchi.e." One would almost give him ( Mr. P.) credit foe foresight in anti c ip at i ng t h e very pmceedinp which the House were now called upon to restrain. (Hear. hear.) This inquisition was exercised under the bane of their displeasure; and pennons were induced to desert their frie A, and abandon their plighted engagements. This was insofferaLle, and the more so as coming from persons wh s were themselves the advocates of unbounded f.cedom, and as daimine the most extended toleration. They were to be found carrying an unparleving tyranny into the domes tic arrangements of every family. This I do not defend or palli. ate. lam not the apologist of their violence, nor do I approve of many of their printed publications. To this tone, which is inde fensible, I hope to see that the legislature will never yield ; but as indecent clamour should induce them not to yield to any thing that was nut reasonable, so it ought not to induce the legislature to with.. hold from others that which is jest Now if be (Mr. P.) wished to have his sentiments precisely laid before the House, as to the present measure, this is the very patagraph which he would employ the lion. and beamed Member for Lincoln to read, for the purpose of exhibiting his views and opinions, which were the same now as then. (Hear, hear.) There was a growing disposition in favour' of the measure throughout the country ; and he c o u ld not b e i n . duced to coincide with his Right lion. Friend (Mr. Canning) in the apprehension that there was an indisposition in the minds of the people of this country towards granting the concessions which the, Catholics sought to attain. They turned their more serious thoughts to the situation of the country ; they saw that the game of govern. ing Ireland otherwise than by conciliatory measures was hopeless.: . they saw that if pernicious means were not resorted to, to intercept and blight the blessings of Providence. Ireland would become a source of strength, of security, anti of vigour. to the empire. As to the se paration of the two conntries, he believed it was not a serious idea entertained by any person ; it was an empty and an (die threat, which did not deserve the character even of a rational menace. In the vicissitudes to which, In the progress of revolving ages, nations were subject, this mighty empire might fall, yet Ireland most .fall with her—her interest and her fate were bound with England—they were the same and inseparable. But, however that idle threat was to be itespised„-thcre was a donsideratren which the people of this country should not despise. In the event of a war England might, lie was satisfied, reiy on the exertions of the Roman Catholics:—' no doubt might be entertained of their fidelity—but a suspicion of the soundness of that part of the empire might induce a nation to make a demand, and dictate insolent tenni, which it would not otherwise think of. This mischief would be best arrested by doing to that country an act of justice in the time of peace.— Oa whatever terms, or whenever the measure of emancipation was conceded, it must be conceded and obtained by the force and influence of the reason of the measure, of the right of it, of the justice of it. On these points the Roman Catholics were invulnerable. but on these grounds, and on these alone, should they rely. It was, therefore, that lie deprecated the mischief of their relying less nn the support that sound sense gave their cause, than on the display of their physical strength, to which this coun try would never yield. Their demand, when it came in that shape, was insufferable (cheers); to such a tone Parliament never would, or ought to lend itself. They who may wish to use the Catholics for their own views may give a different counsel front this ; for his part, he deprecated the doctrine, and would anxiously dissuade the Catholics from it; he was satisfied they would give him credit for the sincerity of his advice, for the measure of their eman cipation was only important to hint as it was useful and bene ficial to them. (Hear, hear.) It had been said that the Catholic Association spoke the sentiments of the Roman Catholics. so far as it expressed a desire of admission into the blessings of the Consti tution. He believed they did speak the sentiments of the Roman Catholic population, but if it were further meant that they adopted all the excesses of that body, that was a propositioe he was prepared to deny. Many Roman Catholics were disgusted at those excesses, and his Right honourable Friend did no; state too much when he said that they would be glad to be relieved of the influence of this Association, which sat like an incubus on the heart of the society of the country. The Clergy would scion become jealous of having all their influence transferred to this body; the Roman Catholic gentry would become jealous of seeing new adhesion arise in society, and would be glad to he restored to that natural place and station in so ciety to which it was the object of the present measure to bring them bask. (Hear, hear.) Of that Association and of the mem bers of it, it was far from his intention to speak in terms of disre spect. With the leader of it, Mr. O'Connell, he had only a pro fessional acquaintance; he stood eminent—deservedly eminent, in : his profession, and was, indeed, as high in it as the laws would al_ . lowa member of his religious persuasion to be. (Hear, hear.) In the relations of father, husband, and in all the private relations of life, his conduct and character were marked by the most perfect • propriety ; he had only to find fault with him for the wildness of his politics. Ile believed that that gentleman would not enter into a pettifogging attntipt to evade the provisions of the Bill should it , pass into a law, but that he would rather, together with Lords Fin , gal and Gormanstown, and the many other most respectable mein ben of that body, submit to what the law imposed rather than enter into an unworthy task of endeavouring how they might best elude It. To very many Catholics the measure, he was satisfied, would be highly acceptable, as it would laird them an honourable excuse for relieving themselves from an influence of which they were tired, and of which they disapproved—the influence of the Catholic Asso c ation. (Cheers.) Mr. TIERNEr said, that he felt he rune under great disadvan tage in following the very powerful speech or the Riht Hon. Gen- Semen. House, Semen. Although he had sat alloy year(-in that he had not on the many occasions that that question had been discussed in • Parliament, onened his lips. He felt that on those occasions the question had little need of the support of any argument from him, nor would he on the present occasion offer himself to the • attention of the House upon this subject, but that he con • ceived the present moment to be one of a critical crisis, and danger to the Empire. (Hear. hear, hear.) The Right Honourable Gentleman had said that this most objectionable measure might be ! avoided by tile more gracious one of Catholic emancipation, and that he would be glad to see it substituted for it. On their own : showing, then, it was a measure that the adoption of a better mea -1 sure would render unnecessary. It was not a little extraordinary, that when the object of a measure was to abridge the liberty of the s subject, the Ministers pulled remarkalily well together—they only • disagreed when the object was to extend it. (Cheers.) In sup porting the Catholics now, as he had done on former mea -1 sions, he did not do so in consequence of any partiality he entertained towards them as Catholics, but from a convic , tion that it was a measure rendered requisite by the general policy of the country. He was by habit, education, and con viction, attached to the Established Church, though he was not • blind to its errors. He was reconciled to the Catholic question, because all the dangers which might reasonably be expected to flow from it, had long ceased. The Protestant religion was esta blished on a secure basis; no apprehension was now to be entertained from a Popish Sovereign ; there was no Pretender now to bring • forward ; and as the liberties of England, and the interests of the Church were safe, he saw no danger to be apprehended from the • measure of Emancipation. The. Right Hon. Gentleman thought that one way of arriving at Emancipation was by a Committee on this Bill, theobject of which was to abridge the privileges they al ' ready enjoyed . .. Mr. PLUNKETT thought that some facts might transpire in the Committee favoutable to the measure. :tin TIERNEY resumed. This was an extraordinary expec tation to form ; the more partic.ilarly as they were to go into a Committee without having any facts whatever laid before them. (Hear, hear.) This was one of his principal objections to the measure. We say give us information, but this is withheld, and then we are told faits are everything, and the greatest advantage will flow from them, though none will be given. (Hear. hear.) The mere assertion of the Right Honourable Gentleman was all that was placed before them, on which they were to legis late. The Right Honourable Gentleman in his speech, which so delighted them, had said that he regretted the shape this Associa tion had assumed. Ile (Mr. Tierney) had not regularly read all the proceedings of that body, but, as far as he had observed, they had only undertaken and entered upon topics which were fair matter for discussion. They had discussions relative to the Union, the Church, and other measures of legitimate inquiry. If the Right Hon. Gentleman supposed there was anything mischievous at the bottom of this Association he should have awed it, and afforded the House an opportunity to judge of it. This Association was not composed of a little knot of men—managin the affairs of a people; they consisted of six millions of persons.—(hear, hear— six millions of men united to promote the same views and ob jects—was a- formidable body ; it was a fearful consideration to legislate for such a body complaining of grievances; the more particularly when it was admitted, even by those who in troduced it, that it was a measure not calculated to afford any relief even on the 'hewing of those who introduced it. The Right lion. Gentleman spoke of a new adhesion, and of an ad hesion of the people from compulsion. Now there was no evidence that there was this compulsion used to create adhesions to this body. Neither did it appear from any evidence what ever, or proof before the House, that this Association acted as a Parliament, and assumed • jurisdiction in the country. The right honourable gentleman had complained much of the omission of part of his speech by his honourable and learned friend, the member for Lincoln, (Mr. J. Williams); but while this com plaint was made by the right honourable gentleman, lie himselt whs doing a thing not very unlike it ; for he did not read out all the paper from which he lia4 quoted ; he did not read all that passed at the trial ; he forgot to give that part of it in which the account is given of what Mr. Blackburn and the magistrates said of the man ner is which the prosecution was conducted. (Cheers.) This part the right honourable gentleman forgot; perhaps he remembered to I forget it. (a laugh.) The house were told nothing of the address of Mr. Blackburn, in which he thanked Mr. O'Gorman for the temperate manner in which the prosecution was conducted by him. (Cheers.) The whole of these proceedings give no proof of party violence or spleen. The whole of the paper should have been reed (hear. hear;) and from that specimen the house would see there were no severe hardships imposed on those prosecuted by the association. No man was more averse than he was to publie pro secutions : bnt it they were never worse carried on than in the pre sent instance, there would not be much to complain of. The right honourable gentleman (Mr. Plunket) hail taken pains to state all the proceedings of the association : he said they had an " army un armed." The last word," unarmed" he put into a parenthesis. (cheers. and much laughter.) He told us, they had devoted to the n no less than an army of 30.000 collectors: and how were these soldiers armed ? oh ! very formidably, no doubt. Why, each with a leathern bag (laughter,) and a slate to take down the names. (laughter.) These were headed by 2300 priests : and why should they not collect this money ? It was a miserable subscription, and though very general, it did not amount as vet to more than ten thousand pounde. He (Mr. Tierney) did not amderstand the Right THE BM' I Plitr.SS. • • Hon. Gentleman to express any alarm at this rent, aorrliow could lie stop the calection of it ? May it not •be co.leoct! nosier another form ? Nods d :no ,ey was collected for, other o'ijnets thW. giving it to the Ash.rin'ion. The Priests ware in the her.it of collecting subseriptiols many purposes. Suppose that in additlitet to ono penny a week. which they before got, they should say, Giye us a penny more, and who could control them in the application Cl that additional penny ? And such would he the effect of iii. Bill.. It would make them conceal their objects and drive them to secrecy. Their grievances preyed hard on them, and they could het but be clamorous. The Right Hun. Gentleman did not say that the 4 1 1. h socialion was illegal, but said it was contrary, to the.spirit of the Constitution. This was a distinction fried to be with:mood, hut he supposed a lawyer could talk a deal on thrisulsject. (A laugh.) The Catholics were led nn by the Right Hot , . Gentlemamend the Right Hon. Secretary for Foreign Affairs to look on Emanci pation as their right; hopes were held out to them from day to day, and, now they were to get na relief, but were told, " If you do not go home quietly, hold your tongues, and never ask for anything, we shall seed you all to encl." ((sheers.) This measure of emencipation was &thing to he sunk in tbeCabinet • —it was never to rise to the top. The Right flue. Gentleman once, in describing the state of Ireland, miffed it *" *rock on the breakers." He and his Bight Honourable Friend by him may ' now review their handy.work, and bis Right Honourable Friend, in his next edition of his song, would add a stahza shout the new pilot that weathered the storm." Now it was nn longer a wreck, but a gallant ship in full trim. All this was achieved by these • gentlemen, and fit to hold both the imports and capons. (Great laughter.) The Catholic question could not but be carried if the two Right llonourable Gentlemen opposite exerted themselves. . On a former occasion it was almost carried s it passed that House ttiumphantly, but was stopped in another place, principally • through the influence of certain persons who wore whit: sleeves. (A laugh.) There was in that place a majortty of 38 against it; and it to happened that of them 25 were so adorned. Ine Right Honourable Gentleman (Mr. Plunkett) says he joi..ed the present Administration because he was satisfied no better At'ministration could be formed. The fact was, he had for a long time his anchor a-peak (great laughter), and the manwnt an opportunity offered he slipped over to the other side. ((Ltd cries of hear, hear.) he had for some time found hie sat at this side of the House rather uneasy ; the Six Acts threw him into extreme dismay ; something elite occurred—a panic seiied him and he took place. (Loud cheers.) No person not insane could say that it was impossible to carry the Catholic question in the present Cabinet. There were six to seven for it. He (Mr. T.) had been long accustomed to mino rities, and could certainly pronounce that a promising one, and one of wholesome complexion. (A laugh.) Why, if the two parties in that house stood so, lie would not be astonished to see the Right Honourable Gentleman wheeling. hack again to the Opposition. (Cheers and laughter.) But the Right Honourable Secretary for Foreign Aff sirs says he will not break tip the Administration on any account, nor would he torn tail and go away. Indeed there would be no occasion for this ; if he boldly put the alernatlve, of retiring or pressing the Catholic question, he (Mr. T.) was sure that the Noble Lori who was as it were the keystone of the Cabinet, would not decide hastily on the eubject, but would grant a hearing and rehearing, and it would end as most cases do in his Court, by leave being given " to have the case mentioned again on next Tuesday.' (Cheers.) And, indeed, it was not fair to say that that Noble Lord was so hostile to the measure of emancipation, for he gave a noble proof of liberality in taking as his fellow labourers six men tainted with liberal principles. It was mon strous, it was treachery to his Majesty, to withhold advice from him on this mast vital question, antkone for which, because' they would not now grant it, they were to substitute a law violat ing the liberty of the subject. The Right Honourable Gentleman. after entering at length ions the necessity of granting Catholic Emancipation, begged to say, that in any remarks he may have made, he hoped he was not understood to make any allusion to 31r. Peel. For that Gentleman he entertained the highest respect, and of his sincerity he had no doubt. (Hear, hear.) After some further remarks, the Right lion. Gentleman proceeded to say, that the English Catholics were still worse treated than the Irish, a a! again he would repeat, that if the Right lion. Gentleman (Mr. Canning) said that they must alter the laws affecting the Cathodes, or that he would retire—lie repeated, that if he uscn language of that de cisive character, he must succeed. It had been said as an excuse, that it was impossible to form a Cabinet for carrying the Catholic Question. lie (11r. Tierney) denied it, but would assert, that it was impossible to form one on the principle of refusing it, and if those who had been taken in, as it were, on stress of weather, had used proper firmness, the measure must have been carried, and to their want of that firmness he would attribute its delay. ( ?sheers.( • The Catholic Association, it had been said, took their affairs into their own hands. Why, so they ought. (Hear, bear ) And this afforded them the fullest evidence of what it was to refuse a people that to which they were fairly entitled. (Hear, bear.) They found themselves increasing in wealth—in the wealth of mind, and in the wealth of commerce. They had their cotton manufactures and their distilleries : they must take care the latter, however, were riot found out. (A laugh.) With this consciousness of growing im portance it was natural they should come boldly forward; anti then would be this difference, if Parliament refused to listen to theirjust claims—that the thing which to day might be given as a boon, would, at some future, and no very distant time, be demanded as a right. (Cheers.) If men found themselves deserted by those in whom they had been accustomed to confide, where were they to turn ? to whom could they refer ? 25,009 of the military might now march through Ireland untnelested, notwithstanding-the 2500 priests and the 30,000 collectors. But supposing some war were to occur, after souring the wow of the irk*. **at ettghT not be to England the injurious results e Ireland, and lie begged to address himself particularly to the Right Hun. Secretary of the Foreign Department, Ireland was a vulnerable point. Suppose the discon tented, soured spirit of the Irish were, through the medium of a newspaper paragraph, to become matter of notoriety with our continental neighbours. Suppose Spain, so informed. should, in return for our interference with the South American states, acknow ledge the independence of Ireland, what would remunerate us for the loss of that valuable country ? and why was this state of things endured ? (Cheers.) Why were they to await the arrival of so desperate a crisis? (Cheers. Why, but because six • six out of thirteen gentlemen could not make up their minds to perform an act of justice toward an enlightened and ! suffering people. (Hear, hear.) If these measures were carried, ' and failed, what would be the end ? They would find the • Catholics would still think, would still meet; and they would be found in dark cabals, and in secret associations. It had been said there was no intention of acting offensively towards the Catholics, viewed as a distinct body frotn the Association : but it • was a monstrous proposition to say that it was not degrading the whole Catholic people to frame an Act of legislature for the • r wpm of preventing them taxing themselves. He had not th e east doubt, if certain individuals were to withdraw from the Cabinet, that it would be difficult to compose another Administra tion opposed to the Catholic Claims. But no apprehension need • be entertained as regarded this particular: there would, in that event, be a necessity for providing a Lord of the Privy Seals, a First Lord of the Admiralty, Lord President of the Council ' Chamber, a Lord Lieutenant of Ireland, an Attorney-General of Ireland, and a President of the Board of Control. The idea, therefore, was not to be for a moment entertained, they might as soon think of -raising the dead. (Hear. hear.) He should set himself down, not approving the whole proceedings of the Catholic Association, but anxious for the political welfare of hi s own country, and unwilling to deprive an intelligent people and a sister kingdom of so much of its liberties. • Mr. BROUGHAM then rose, and moved that the House should adjourn until Monday, fur the further consideration of this question. Mr. H. G. BENNET seconded the motion. The House then divided. Ayes - 70 'Noes - - 252 ' On a second division, the result of a similar motion, there were— Ayes - -76 l Nora - - 231 ' Before our re.admission to the gallery the House agreed to the ' adjournment, and rose at HALF-PAST ONE o'clock, after disposiug of the Orders of the Day. G ERMAN PAPERS. The following article is in a Westphalian paper : Alexeres, Jaw. 29. " Some time ago the inhabitants of a whole parish in the country of Mark seceded from their clergyman, renounced the rites of the Church, and, infected by the mystical bigotry and reveries of ill. understood religious principles, have become perfect separatists. The Consistory of the province of %Vestplialia has adopted suit able measures against these abuses, and has commissioned the Rev. Mr. Weihe, of Alcnnighuffen, whose long services bear testimony to his excellent character, to restore the estebiiahed order of the Church. Mr. NViihe has visited the parish in question, but we hear that he has not been received as it was hoped he would, and that he has effected nothing. It,. much to be wished that the particulars may be made known. Indeed it is not only tri the country of Mark, but in other parts also of Westphalia, that melancholy occurrences of this kind are remarked. In the neighbourhood of Pyrmont and Minden also, the sect of the Quakers is evidently gaining ground. Male and female preachers conic even from foreign min:ries. Thus, in the course of last autumn, several rich Quakers from England arrived as missionaries at Pyrmunt, and from that place went to Minden ; in both places these people, and even some inspired women among them, preached in the meetings of the brethren in the English language, which was explalncl, by an interpreter; they likewise distributed nume rous printed tract., chiefly in the French language, and were not sparing of money. having, it is said, distributed among thtir partisans above a thousand dollars." SWITZERLAND, JAN. 23.—The Governments of the southern Cantons have lately taken some further steps towards a commercial convention with the Austrian Government of Lombardy. The convention is intended to be confined to Lombardy alone, and the chief object of it would be the seapalation of the transit of goods through that kingdom from Switzerland to the ports of the Aledi. terrancan, and vies versa. It was supposed that there would be no objection at Vienna to the conclusion of such a treaty, as it would not interfere with the Austrian system of duties on import-16°n. It is said that instructions from Vienna were expected at Milan, on receipt of which it would be decided whether negociations should be opened inimediately, or whether they should be deferred until the arrival of l'nnce Metternich, who is expected at Milan In the spring. It is said also, that while the Prince is in Italy, the negoeiations with the Orisons will be continued on certain poi tits, which remain to be regulated between that Canton and Lombsrtly. Measures, it is also reported, will be taken for the indemnification of several fa milies in the Unisons, where great estates were confiscated in conse quence of the arbitrary proceedings of Bonaparte, in 1797, in the Vateline, and the districts depending on it AMERICAN PAPERS. By the packet ship Ls Fayette, which arrived et Liver pool on Thursday from New York, which. place she left on the 17th ult. we have received American Journais to the 16th. T h eir contuits are uninteresting : NCI" , VOltk. JAN. 15. • Captain Nichols, of the. Amelia„ who left Fernarcl.uco on the 1.40 f December, informs that the 'lace remained in quiet posees• sins of the Emperor's troop•. lord Cochrane had taken possess:on of Leixa, and had gone to leeward in take Alaranhain and Part. The market was very dull. Flour 7 dolling ; Sugar high ; Hides very high and scarce; Coffeel3 to 14 cents. • We understand that the Pecaident of the United States ratified, yesterday, with the advice and consent of the Senate, a Convent ion concluded and Waned at St. Feteriburgh on the 5-17th of April, between the United States and Kuroda, by Mr. Aliddletno. our Minister anthat Court, on tl•.c part of the Un;ted State., and Count Nesse:rode and M. De PoleCca., on the part of the Emperor of Hos. via, which establishes the boundary line of the two nations upoll the north-seat coast of Anneric?..and Elands adjacent, at 64 `deb. 40 min. north latitittle.—Pfatiortof Joarrwei of Tuesday. fbe British Government has refused is cede so much laical swan! Island of Abaco, at or near the Buie in the "call, as might be ne. cesaary for Cie purpose defecting a light.bouse •tlvircon, for the greater aecurhy of the navigation over and near the Bahama banks; , but oars to construct light.heuses on the sites the Americas Yernnteut may indicate, provided our shipping passing that way will contribute to support the expense of such establishments.. To obviate the difficulty of levying light-money on American 7.c.1.e15, Ito be paid into the British Trearury, Mr. Canning was willing to leave this to the American Custom-Houses : l?ut Mr. Rosh having no power to assent to such a proposition..cnuld do nothing more than trat.smit it to this country ; and aC tae matter rcsts.—Phile delplahi Goleite. STOCKS YESTERDAY. lfttli• Bona. 9R 1/7 pm Long. Ann. 231 141. 1.0007. S 3 64 pm Ditto,l id. t.cnftr. 63 6563 64 pm 460/. 63 66 pm Ditto. Small 43 0 pm iTOCKS YESTER ItA V. French Renter 103 f. 76c. 104 f. Exchange 24f. 10e. Oreek Bonds 69 81 9 Pi Mexican Bonds 8144 01 1 Ditto Acct. 814 4 no 14 80i Ditto Scrip (1826)34 iiiipm Neapolitan Bonds 9L Peruvian Bonds Ditto Acct. 84 Ditto Bonds (18221 100 Russian Bonds ( 1822 )471 II 4, Spanish Cons. 23 24 3 . ' Ditto Acct. 23 4 I Spanish Cons. (1023) 16 AMIE YESTERDA Y. Leghorn . - 48 Genoa - - 44. Venice . . 2; Malta . . Naples . . 40 Palermo - 118 Lisbon . .51 Oporto . - 81.1 Rto.lansiro . 48 Bahia - . sni Dublin - ll Cork .. . 9i BULLION, PLR OZ. 4. gortugalGold in coin 0 0 0 Foreign Gold in bars 3 17 V New Doubloons 3 18 0 New Dollars 0 4 lei Silverin bars 0 3 Of .I.;s YE...TEM/A Y. Welch Iron and Coal 1 o\l LIGHT AND CORE COX- PAN S. Continental 9 8.1 Provincial Portable 21 United General 13 MISCEL LAN t ots• British Iron Company 8 it Bristol Ship Canal Canada Company 284 2 711 Oen. Steam Navigation 104 Gold Coast Association 74 154 Metro. Alderney Dairy 44 New Corn Exchange 10 10. Pearl Fishery (Yellow) 18 Ditto (White) IS Prov. Bank of Ireland 84 ~ e { '. eard•sl Prime Minister, is still in the e2nAdecte of Al* Kluo, and guides, behind the curtain, the m.asurcs of tbo new Administration : but those best instructed in, the true state of affairs, treat this idle insinuation as it deserves: The letters state,—and they are from the best B . 6preet of authority,—that the new Ministers *ere appointed through the influence of Sir W. A'Cocier, and having bad the 1141 4 dress to succeed in placing a new Ministry at the head sC affairs, we think he is not likely to suffer any indioldual ort .the discarded list, to frustrate in secret the whole object at• his policy. It is believed, and upon very good grounds) ` *hat the Count de SUOSERI• is to praxes to London al 'ortuguese Ambassadcr. This a . 4angemerit; his easy to perceive, may be reconcileable with the soundest politica/ prudence. It at least removes him from the sphere of in:- trigue, and takes away any influence which he might have t:pon the spot, in forming any countet.-combinatiois Private letters from Zsnte, to the Sth Jannary, itat6 that all dissensions amongst the Greek Chiefs and the GO vernment,. were put down, and. that the GovnmCnt bad ,sobtained a complete and setleil preponderance. Val. watt, the individual who wks known to be the Rturdan ,Etnistaryin the Mores, had fled to the lonian Islands, as 'bad also the rebellious Chiefs ZAT andNno. Co. LOCOTXONT had submitted to the Government. It alas appears that the English inguence had gained a decided ascendency in the blares; this will have the effect oe con, tentrating the zeal and talent of ;lose who take tIP)e lead, and of giving stability to the system under which their po• litical independence has been hitherto co effectively aro: nized. . : The adjourned debate in the House of Common* • specting the Irish Associations was continued I:t.st trishp At one o'clock this morning Mr. BROLGIIAM moved **- adjournment till Monday. On this question there Imo two ilivis . t ons in succession, and, finally * it was agreed that the further adjournment should take place. The principal speeches were those of Mr. PLUNK err and Mr. TIERNEY. The former was one df the most strecer:sful end, impicisive pieces of eloquence we ever heard. The defence of his political consistency wsi*pre-erninenrly tr-ilimphant, The passages in Which, when out of power in Ibl3, Le condemned the factious proceedings of the Catholic Cub of that day, seemed to have been spoken almost propheti cally in anticipation of the recent conduct of the present Ca tholic Association. The tone of the !tight Hon. and Learned. • Gentleman's Speech was peculiarly frank and liberal, 11114 evidently produced a deep and lasting impression on the House. The proposed Bill, he stated, would net irterfere with any popular privilege known to the Constitution. He acqcitted the Catholics of all turbulent disposition in act or intent. Their proceedings tended to collect materials of mischief, which would explode when the first opportunity occurred. The Dolce of York and the Princess Sophia paid visits to the King yeterday. Yesterday afternoon, at two o'clock, a Cabinet Council was held at the Foreign Office, Downing-street, which was attended by the Lardhancellor, and all the other Ca binet Ministers, with the exception of Mr. Si cretary Peel. The Cabinet Ministers continued in deliberation till four o'clock. The Earl of Harrowby gave a 0-and Wainer on Thurs day, at his residence in Grosvenor-square. There was a general inactivity in the money markets: . yesterday, particularly in the English one. Console for the Account were at 931, the whole day. The mons,- 6 trametions wbrellOne at 93P, ; but there was little or nothing doing. The Foreign market was also inactiv e . but not heavy. Spanish Bonds were done as high as 230) New Mexican Scrip was 3ii. New Brazilian 441, Coloto. bian froil, and Greek Sgi to g, at which price it continued very firm. The Mining and other Shares maintaired ttto primal of the preceding day, although there was but little business done in them. The proprietors of the Levant Ccmpany assembled yes terday. The President, Lord Grenville, took the ClirCr, and addresled the members at some length on the dissolu tion of the Company. His Lordship returned them thanks for the honour they had so long conferred upon htm, as President of' their body ; and expressed his gratification that, in dissolving the Company, Government entertained no feeling of hostility towards them, but that the liberal policy of his Majesty's Ministers, in widely extending trade, had alone led to the dissolution of the Company. The Protestant Petition is ro be sent on Friday to Len. don. Among other signatures, it will have those of the Duke of Leinster, the Earl of Glengall, and Lord Lorton. —Dublin Paper. According to an account presented to the House of Com. mons, the number of persons admitted to view the British Museum, from Christmas, 1523, to Christmas, 1824, was 112,840. The clays of admission are Mondays, Wenes days, and Fridays, in every week, when, b etween the hours of ten and two, visiters are immediately admitted on application. The Dublin Freeman's Journal save—" 'We are re quested to state, that it is not determined that Messrs. O'Connell and Shell shall proceed to London, it not being determined whether Counsel will he heard at the Bar of the House respecting the Catholic Association." It is said that the Hon. and Rev. and Rev. Mr. Packet. ham will succeed to the Deanery of Emly. Upward* of 1,000/. have been subscribed for the famil♦ of the Rev. Mr. Maturin. Dnuny-La r.—Mr. Kean played Shylock last night. The house was crowded, and the play went off successfull . Mr. Elliston has made the most liberal offers to Mr. Braham, to induce him to resume his situation at Drury lane for the next season. Mr. Braham is already engaged as the leading fatalist for the Oratorios to be given during Lent at the two National Theatres. ' Yesterday, Robert Dixon, Esq. was called to the 11.1 r, by the Honourable Society of the Middle Temple. PRICK OF litom.—We hear from Birmingham that con. siderable inconvenience is felt there from the great and sudden rise of the price of iron. The price is now such, as not only to make cowetition with foreign manufacturer* difficult, but to render The execution of large orders which have been actually given, impossible. 'lmmense order* • from foreign agents, especially from America, have beers made at a price at which, from the present price of iron, the goods cannot be supplied. MANSLAUGHTFR.—On Thursday het en inquest WO held at the Prince of Wales tavern, North -street, on the body of J. 11. Parry, Esq. a barrister, who came by his death under the following circumstances :—Th e first witness, Emma Purdy. deposed as follows:-1 am servant to Mrs. Dunstan, 26, Pleasant terrace. About ball-past eight o'clock on Saturday evening last, as 1 was going to Collier -street, along North-street. 1 saw the deceased struck on the mouth by a tall man, dressed in a fustian coat; the man repeated the blow, and then gave him a tremendous hit in the aide; the deceased instantly fell to the ground. and appeared to be dmul. A gentleman who came up told the man in the fustian. „ coat that he had killed the gentleman. Several persors came round and nicked the gentleman up, and carried him into the • Prince of Wades tavern. 1 should not know the man again who struck the blows; he was quite sober, but 1 think the deceased wasMtoxicated.—The Rev. Jean Baptiste Herbert sworn. I live on Field-terrace. and am a el•rgynian and teacher et foreign lan. ptages. I saw the deceased at the bar of the.Yrine• of Wake. asking the landlady how she did ; saw him leave the house. Ml. Lowed in a few minutes after, and saw the deceased struck by a man a vio u le id nt t l t h to the th t en e blo w. w k n ocked ~‘vht a him villain doer;you must he ue be ilted lon tlt ha r dead. e kasi the man.". lie replied, he had been insulted and struck by him first. I then. went and toll the landlord that the deceased bad been moat cruelly used. if not k.lled, by a man whi used his house. This witness swore most posittvel r to his having made the menus. 'ranee known to the landlord.—Tote Joey censured the condom of the landlord in very severe terms, and returned a verdict of " Man. slaughter" against William Bennett, who has been conveyed to Newgate. The unfortunate 31r. Parry had, within a few days before his melancholy death, come into possession of a very Lap property. . 1, 9 :• ,_• ;t, • ritlcEs OF BRITISH Hank Stock 3 per tent. - Red. 9. 3 pert ent. Cons. 1 J Ditto Acct. 113/ 3i per Ceat. Red. Nil 1 Sew 4 per Cent. lON "MI PRICES OF FOJIEIUN .4 istrian Bonds 9711 Ditto Acct. Brazilian Bond. Ditto Acct. 88. Ditto Scrip for the Ace. 1G pm Ditto Scrip (1025) 41 e pm Buenos Ayres Bonds Ditto Acct. 901 I Ghilinn Bonds 881 i'olombisn Bonds 91f Ditto Acct. 924 Ditm Atonds (1824) 914 90} 1 1 Ditto At.ct. 911 1 00 i Danish Bonds 102 ounsE OF EXCH. Amsterdam C. F. 12 3 Ditto ' at sitht . 12 0 Rotterdam 12 4 Antwerp . - 12 4 Hamburgh - 37 1 Ahem% 37.2 Pat* 3 days'eight 25 15 Ditto - . 23 45 Bourdeau 23 45 Kerlin . 7 5 Frankfort-on-the-Main 1512 Feersburgh . 9 View's . - 10 4 Trieste . - 10 4 Madrid - . 36 Cadiz . . sq Biiboa . 35t Barcelona 35 ieville - . 33} blibraltar - - 31 PRICES OF SHAI ASSURANCE COMPANIES. Alliance Brit. and For. 18 } Palladium 2} i sitirts. Anglo-Mezican 115 Auglo-Chilian 113 12 Arigna Trop and Coal 16 Bolanos SOO pm Brazilian 224 Chilian 17 1$ Colombian 36 35 Gen. Mining Association 143 15 Hibernian V t Pasco Peruvian 213 25 Rio de la Plain 27 25 Tlalpuialwa 200 WO pm United 111cicican 115 100 gfte 15 rttiott ipros-s: THEATRE R()YAT„ DRURY-LANE. This Evening, SATURDAY. Feb. 12. will be performed THE FALL or ALGIERS. The Principal Characters by Messrs. Sank), Terry. Horn. Harley, nettle, Browne. Mercer, and 0. Smith; Master Edmonds; Mesdames Stephens, Graddon, Nled, and Carr. After which. a Traditionary Tale, called THE SHEPHERD OF DERWENT VALE. Rooney O'Chisel, Mr. Fitzwilliarn. Lady Matilda. Miss I. Paton. On Monday, The Merchant ..,f Venice, with the New Pantomime. THEATRE ROYAL. COVENT-GARDEN. This Evening, SATURDAY. Feb. 12. will be performed TILE INCONSTANT. Old MlrabeL Mr. W. Farren ; Young Mirabel, Mr. C. Keinble; Dore tete, Mr. Jones. Bizarre, Mrs. Chatterley. To conclude with HARLEQUIN AND THE DRAGON OF WANTLEY ; Or, MORE OF MORE HALL. Harlequin, Mr. Eller; Pantaloon. Mr. Barnes; Clown, Mr..l. maldl. Columbine, Miss Romer. On Monday, Der Freischutz. and the Pantomime. ADEIPH! THEATRE, STRIND. Thla Evening. SATURDAY. Feb. 1". will be presented a new Comic Durletta, celled THE LIFE OF AN ACTOR. The Principal Characters by Messrs. Wrench. .1. Reeve, Wilkinson, Power. Lee. Brown, Campbell, Salter, and Elliott; Miss Doden, Mrs. Daly, Searle, Bryan, An. hc. To conclude with MORE BLUNDERS THAN ONE; OR, THE IRISH VALET. Larry Hoolagan, Mr. Power; Louisa Lovamore, Miss S. Booth. The Bill int Pans commenced publishing yesterday moult,' at seven &dock. LONDON, SATURDAY, FIDALJARY 12, MO. Last night we received the French Papers of IVednes day. The following are extracts : LFrom the Monittur of 'Wednesday, Feb. 9.1 LCC&HOIN, J AN. 'N. A letter from Napoli di Romanis. dated 14th December, speaks as follows of the late events in the Mores:— " Our enemies will certainly not fail to spread exaggerated re. ports on the dissensions which have lately prevailed in this country. IVe can, however, affirm, that the discontented who had ventured to advance to Conato, and even to Tripolaza, have been dispersed by the troops under General Goun , a, and that they have fled into the mountains. The Greeks generally obey the Government of Napoli di Romania. and as long as the inhabitants of the islands continue to remain firmly united to those of the continent. and par. ticularly to the Peloponnesus, they wilt have nothing to fear from the Ottoman power.' We have the following account from Corfu, dated the 30th De cember t— . _ "The Divan meets daily, and by what has transpired. there is no doubt that the Porte is making extraordinary preperatiobs fur a new campaign. The labourers in the arsenal work day and night, and it is said that the fleet destined to act in the Archipelago will consist of one hundred vessels of different sizes. The submission of the Greeks is announced as certain, because the Turks reckon on the great resources they can command against a country distracted by civil war. "It seems, however, that Ibrahim Pacha will not wait for the opening of the next campaign to continue his operations Soon after the sth December the Egyptian squadron began to convey troops to the several points of the Alarm which are in the possession of the Turks, such as Patras, Eaton, Alarm, Ace." —Plorence Garette. FIICI4CII Ft:Nns.—Palis, Frs. 9.—Five per Cents. 1031. Csc. Flank Stock, 1,9721., 501.; Neapolitan Reno', 89t. 95c; Spanish ditto, 171 ; Spanish Loan, 571 ; F.:change on London—one month, 251. ; three ditto, 241. &c.—Coors Akt4entique, Fib. 9. We have area letters from Listion, dated the 29th of January, all of which speak with the greatest confidence of the recognition by Portugal of the independence of the Brazils, as soon as Sir CHARLES STUART arrives at Lis bon. The merchants are uniformly anxious for the accotn plishtnent of this event; the new channels of trade that it will open—the commercial connections, usually of slow growth, which it will instantly occasion—the extensive market, both of supply and consumption, which it wall create—must naturally make this recognition on the part of Portugal an affair to theta of the most immediate interest. All the attempts to circumvent it have failed, and the best informed peons consider it as certain. Some, indeed, there are, whose interests lie in a contrary dfrestion, who assert that the Count DI SL'Daaaa• (P•xrtotc•), the dts- v. • 4 ,t