The British Press; or, Morning Literary Advertiser. — London, England, 1810-02-28 00:00:00

elm pn the ileet the pews ..1144 ,1J :a 0 41 Ar garrison.. I bare staAed, ,bat, epee eme occasion, one tommad men trtre 'JOY to be illliu, and live I teed in Lielltembneilt, but that I believed they wrap cumulated, par. tteuiarly La). 'I he t:liratly ‘‘l-1 c very early observed to be wok f . tutpruvinw the •uika, I presume) at Liao, aml, I brlunr.sukrepteutly, at Liefkeoshoeik. It as any pan of the faipmlitiou coutinankated to yuu pre yluus;y is your sailino.l saw a web draft Or eLttCh of bat ie rte .:GAY cul l e d the disp..aitiont All no f trinnl rotawauwation at all relative to it beyoud aty 'mu instrue. wow • Wei e wit ev , e consulted with by the Commander•io-Chief, ur His alalestys 31inisters, previously to the sailing of the E a rslitiou, relative to the objects of I. Expedition ?—1 was nut tossnited; the day willuwqrsetit to Lord Chatham's arrival at It.unsgate, I waited upon him, as was my duty at that time m • very short visit, nut lasting a quarter of a u hoar, his Lindrhip mentioned gener.illy, the whject of the f,epedition; but, in no shape, will, a view to consult me, tertaialy; use. was there soy detail mitered into either by his Lordship why me. What did you understand Is that conversation to he the principal object' of eke Expeditiou Ili nut sure that the object , . were at all detailed in any shape? I had undeistond, 77nious to that, what the objects of the Expedition writ ; that the capture of Walrheren, and the rapture or destruc tion of lira enemy* arscuals to the Scheldt, were the objects the 17:pedalos. wrist communications had yam with Lord Chatham, after his Lotilship's arrival in *oath lit reknit Lord Chat. mus e to the vitiate of behoure, where ley quarters -sem the day after Idle to-rival in the island, npuu the ; ticit ass the th at detailed communication a any kind I had aid% howl Ch ablis. respecting the Exit...ldiom ; I had sot arcs his Lordship sabsequeutly to his embarkation at all. Stale what the cosuatssicatlisna were which you had with lard Chatham ?..11 was a courcrsation %loch lasted a con viderabie thee; daring which. Lord Chatham certainly did meth , humane to ask lay opialoa relative to the ulterior pro. ediap attic army. state what waii the sabstance of the opinion yews Rare to Lard Chatham F—The seibatanee of wy tyneiod was, that them was sio p.olaabs6ty of our success •;aivat Antwerp or the *rt. . . . . . n.., ‘,.ti state the grouude oftl.at opinion, and, if you did, chat ware they ?—t staled tl.e grounds that led me to that wpiaion; they were, in geues . 4l, that the enemy was iu a s ate of preparation, which would, i. fallibly teak. 7t neces sary to hsiug, 'testy ordnance agasind the !two ut Antwerp, ro b lily, by the witueti 111 l of the low • de. tears ; by which I uoiler•tood Lill" and Litfltenshoe.k. I it., stated, that I e0n...-.recl no • Tactaal °porgies could e tarried un monist .litorerp, eal. we were enabled to ia• rr.t the lowa on both sides the That if that was so ems. traplation, it became necessary, that the taros detached to thr kft hank of the ricer should be ',goal to its tetra supput t moony. That, from what ce b ..1 reason to know, tf the noisily's of the enemy, or his state of preparation, and I econderi. g that a coasiderable thrlay must necessarily occur prorermng to • siege, I did not sec that, meth our num hes we had the slugfest proLability of succeeding st.de how early ton had formed that opinion?—l cannot teate , the preesar data; I Call only sa, that, very early after ay arrival South, Liewelaud, bat 0111121.)N was con firmed. Preiious to the sailing of the Lxpeihtion, I was not singuitse is 01% expectation ol sore, ss ; but soon after my antral ut South Berelasd, that opinion because a positive vs, Did Lard Chatham, then, or at any time, commitnieate to yae any plan iif operations by whirls it was intended to effect the illterigo objects of the F.apeditian '—l recollect no such yap einnrunntrated by Lord Chatham at all. tt l i en ins it first notified to you, that yes were to Lie a cosnmand is tha lispeditio•li—As nearly as I recut- Ito, in the latter red of June, or the becinsiagrifJ•ly, the ltter of service ..ia the first notice I had edit, which I re mind (nun the Commander-in-Chiefs office above the end game, or the beginning add sly. V. o ur nputior asked of TIM by the Commander-di-Chief, anal .41, . f His ‘fajenty's NI misters, either in wntio:: 1/f ver bal!, pees musty to the sailing of the Expeditioa !—Whitu I a Jed apt' any Lord Chatham at Itaunsgste, hr e , rtainly, Wn. camersat IWO s e li.d, asked generally what toy opinion , Attie Ispeddion was: hat, as I bane already stated, bin 1 Li.l..y mitered iota wee *ism/ otitis use, um !will say up psdawtr ‘..f Uotneen unit hno, Der win I at all called ..,pcst h au SY hi the ClieUnitilutieeß at that Clint. o,4 Y'rr.rs any general Omutas to laud Chatham, in tn." trwesor of Owl ri quest made by Lied Chatham to y.m '— lamed. it. f . : .s 1 raw recollect, that I did out think it pit,. Saar we ihnitil owned. Lor•I Chatham make any oldorrations thereupon ? Mt Lot :Chatham made to, W.-Amami tttt spoil my opinttet ; I liitittc his I.oritshiyi 11161.1,, that it certainty was on arduous ovirthikiny, awl that there Maa nn orapon to suppose the fritwy 1 , 101 11, an CO1C1314 . 1) UlliwtpareJ state; 1 north that tuthr whiik that paned. Did Sir Wlll rut &skid,. communicate to you the intelli• rote that lie from time to lime rereivcd respecting the state the Ivitihrittioas of Antwerp, Idllo , and the dieweet taco in Flasiltirs , —Sir tVillians Erskine cornommeated to Si sll roil imetheenee as he hod received, and that intelli had. In set alkint procoring in romorpienee of orders be armed Loin ow. Intelligence of that kind I immediately trusunted to latad•quortero. It ohm occurred that Sir Frakine, ou one or two °cranium, whikt he Irans• mood for imehigenee to use, transmitted it slain direct to keviivrters. 1.. d . the, neennling told.e information you re- A"dsa the astir of August, the siuulsot of the eiortity's e , . arlw.'en Antwerp nail Rerifell Oli.Z•0111, aid 'en both atria the Scheldt, was 21,751 men ; whit PeoPwwilwa" It fore bad pm mason to stilipO•e sere regular troupe - I I'. c• =sans of komwing that i irtilaislilailve at all rustily ; • ttie same time the roc...a colour of the tittelligrtiee lad 10 to believe that the whole comprehended I. that number owe regular troops ; maul of them depot. of the Freoeb Not. inlay of them Vet) yailiisg men, but regular troops ; its 63 " 'btu one instance, pa/14 . 111m* its that alludioll to is a l k " masters... a of the troop., the corps ate Illeliliss•rds boa , hy memo vouch our the un t ubere The geoera l ef tof the atitrl!,ee iter was, th a t the enemy's ( tore (*misted af regal.", to„ p., many of them, lonseser, 'Prat. of rev to the I reach art vote, sod rose) of them troops has itlf Med. i _L ) ,° Poe know of a ford that win Iciin.l nut not far from acmes the Beeeen-op-lomeo rissunel I—Ttir channel, Li b vitela, up•Zioni is at a particular time a the - 7,'"•• tomieserst.le eutent near thr fort of Baths. ,"'n , mom was that channel in possession of the British ?—The channel betrime in our roartrott.on from the um. 614 . ....Dm run of the f -et ot p hut ha. . , • you toMate that the fort of Bathe was attack ;:..▪ . **Ke by th e of doe ; Ilan. was the wh o le o f chann e l In mammies tithe tint bat r--The attack of the swns.'s flotilla was one by the Western Scheldt. :C.; Id troops bare pared across that twit at soy time with -1416R untitled hy any "(the enem', small ere; or era. ▪ —No annoyan ce roisld proceed : r to the cursis's Small became the riotnnel was marl) dry, stud *mall craft •.o.d out be ii, it to low ester. ▪ pont of (set wits it pramirah!e, at an early dot , - Aer so s , ostimpeemast o • of 'builds Berelarti, to low, touted for am% any force tusards Amster'. by that ford , —The f..rd Ms practicable I helium fur infantry, probably in .mall helm, but I enceore newer was practir tide at all f,:r stay Or n 7 m military pure ac ; the Cavalry lid artillery could not npmett poi it, o ut accutditil to soy lorlniuU that onto:o i l al the time. Win , ray attempt ma t e ht pass it, nr to take p 005,0061 Of Ibto;h.r aide, clr to thew,. •p any •wr his the other side t— np works no the other hy men fir the pirposit es( tat nig it o but no attempt nit ovule, Out was soy attempt made to cilia _ ` , p tssi did lon'. Chubu t , tips m: ,re at Bath e think 7 i:ad, head quarters arse IA t'rehlwtokkr, and hie 'w ter ' ra p ens, I believe, that day at Woltz ; he ass I know lath. it had been mart irolds t o hem londrd o Ilritnh 7, t`r • mortal of 2.1,1.,0 nw u , ,4, ar Ito et;aa,wu art 'Pkbd been his; tlytt ehlw to the l : gUhca,6n,a s hirr bees a IrtVouris that limed 1 iter (ur . ssms with a British three ;ad s t ' lse . ; :I V [w ills stolid.ll°l"7l,74•Y ar tlikri s ine7,4 • wrist is.i s fitted not ,s your Imo' hare • bl batteries a-aiusi the . Praft." 'I" --4". *bag r ip i s , 'Z ack .'no , i, of the plurr, ti ill. int as 4tiriyetio r rite:tittoisttd sock flu bleat eirentneditaree the pkee; M the lase tint'', I h.tvr uu Juubt that ouch a force taught hare reached Aut. wtrp, sad 'night have uncured the operation of a aic4e Whew the Earl of Ikrol)ta arrived as !Synth Berelatot, di•i not his Lordship tike the command of the &rosy is South &&•''cloud t.-He certainly did ; I believe ! stated that on the 9th, or 'Ws toy rmitainusd ceased. . . Do you conceive that the possesaion of the fortress of Flar.hilig, and the Island of Welchem'', was necesiiiiry to the farther n ceess oldie Expedition ?—I entweive indispensable Is it with a view to the advanee ataiust dativcrp, or to the retreat, Mu yust esoceive the possetaiiiii of %Valcheren was iiiikisperisehleP—ln bulls points of view. Do yOsteoueelee that after the taking of Flushing, and at the period when the army was 'may to advance against Ant werp, the further success of the Expedition hail become hopeless do ; I Where I have stated as lunch. Do you conceive that the toperstious against Antwerp, sad the operations against Flushistr, could havegune uu together? —I conceive certainly out with the force we had. Are you of opinion that Antwerp amid have been carried by a r. , sp-tirmaiN ?-4 certainly never had 'lily such imam non. kuowilie nothing of the works; however, it never struck wens a possible cave at all. The u r nly plan of alinelcYou knew proposed as naiad Ant werp, wan Itt rapid novels of the troops front Auntybet, ar. isonipanii..l by their field-pieces?—That was the only plan that wan cot ttttt muitateil to one. Would the myrrh of the army from Satityliet to Antwerp have been secure without cavalry ?-1 entieeiye certainly nut , but 1 he to he understood, that is founded oily on geeteial prineiples, and uut ou any knowledge of lb' country, fur I bad none. When did envalry and artillery horses arrive first at Batbs, and in what number ?—I nppielteod the first nrnvals utast have been betwrea the antis and 2316, hut I have no return, or reports of the uuuiber, auJ had no mean* of knowing them. la the rough sketch of operations sheen to you, was the previous capture of Lill° considered necessary to the ad. Wiggle agaion Antwerp !..-1 do not recollect that it was stated as access, ; whether it was alluded to or uot, 1 have nut at this moan' ..t a perfect reeolleciton. lu that same sketch wrestle possible inundation of the roan try before Lillo taken tutu the aecouut?—.As far sal rerullert, the practicability mid the probability Brut the enemy would resort to that n. sone, were generally noticed; whether with respect to Lillis or nut, I ito not at this ounsent recollect. In what you slated caocerinsig the march from Santirliet to Antwerp, did you take iuto the account t h e probability of t h e camatry being inundated ?—t certainly did; the mat ell tr. Antwerp of a considerable corps would have coot. preliended the dose column proaably by the higher country that was mit *Bested by the Ininidstion, in which cavalry would have titled • besides that, the mivemeut of an ara., without cavalry, is always ,crippled movement. rbe %Varian withdrew. Limit -General the Earl of ROOMY* called iii sod examined. What were your Lordship's instroetiess when you sailed on the Expeditiou to the Scheldt?-1 had so instructions On sailing with the Expedition to the heheidt, cretin to embark with 'ay ; keen my divione, was to rail one d a y later then the divismo that preeeded it. Will you. I.irdship state what were the operations of that part of the ea iiiy which wee seder your Lordship's imme diate command!—We sailed on the noib July. On the 31st we arrived within sight of the Idend of Waleherea, arid were directed by • frigate into the Roomput, and anchored off Veer Gat ; the troops remised us board ship till the 9th, when they were leaded in South Beveland. 1 remained in the command of the Island of South Beveland from that time till the evacuation, which took place us the ath of Septem ber; one part of my division was however landed from the transports to reinforce the troops before Flushing; see bris gale of 'dowry lauded with nee in South Beveland ; the es. valor ion:mined un hood ship during lbe whole time, with the exception of the 9th Regiment, which mere properly balongod to the corps under Sir Eyre Craws. [His Lie ddiit. ea• here questioned es to the intelligence received sis him 'eopectiag the state of the enemy's forces and meal,' in defence, bet his ,sewers merely corroborated the irtesessents of Sir John Hope.] Can roar lvhip state what woe the plan of operetions the retnat,l• •.f the army were intended to pongee derstoud that the ge'ienl purpose to which the remainder of the army *tee QrrtluM , was to land somewhere et or near Santeliet, +all to proceed to Autos:re for the purpose of se rene( airdestro% roe the eci t. Dial 'nor Lordship, thra , conceive the alicrior object of th e Upped. a ai m t: to tt'e destruct inn of the fleet, or woo to is Imre nrl , the arsenate and docks at Antwerp ? —Certainly to the it • ....Os and ducks tuo. Can your I.ordshin iv by what mode of operation it wee propelled to effort the th tern:item of the arsenals and docks at Ashissep wad nut acqesiiated with any details of the plan fur tenure operations ; 1 knew Coat a considerable nuns her of asortais a, thowitss.s and tenue gnus were embarked under the title ot the ore , .,:d oper ohms, which 1 understood to he destined to go np the Scheldt with the army. CM your Lordship Matt s. !ther these funned any part of the trail used to the •of Huston:t o or were • in parade train destined fora distinct office !—They formed no part of the train prepared for the s age of flashing, but I am not competent to say whether ems past of aliens were afterwards lauded; Cory were embarked separately, and there were ia !tractions given to keep the transports with those gout sad stores ow board separate. Does your Lordship know whether it st.d. intende I that Antwerp should have bees attacked by the ar.ny alone, sit whether it was to line been an operation combined with the navy apperlicuil that that must have eutirely depended .0 eirromstanees ; there could he nu douht of every possible co-operation on the part of the navy, to forward any purpose that might be undertaken ' • but unless the forts of Lille and Lieftenslitied, could have Aeon previously reduced, I am not aware how the navy could have co-operated in au attack a t om Antwerp itself. Dees your Lordship know whether it was intend, d to at lark Antwerp by assault, by bombardment, or by a regular siege ?-1 nut, hut, 1 apprehend, not by regular siege. Supposing the foree, intended for the attack of Autwesp, lauded at Sastvliet,what time dors your Lordship think must have elapsr.l before the whole of that force, with such trail as watt:nib:liked fur that purpose, could have been brought to .tatiserp, and preparations made to commence the bora lasrdmeut of Antwerp '—l have some didleulty In answering the question, because it Insist depend upon a variety of things, of which I am not sutliciently informed; in the drat place, meth upon the roads ; in the neat place, much upon the "nudity of homes for draught, that we might have been able to have asminitled three lint, believing that we had front shoot nine bandied to a thousand horses embarked for the artillery, and counting moos such assietanms as in all pro bability the Island of South Beveland might have fee wished. deducting h he comber of homes that melt have bees, necessary for the service of the Commissariat department, I aboold think that after the Mewling of the in fantry and cavalry was completed at Said, liet, it would hove Ikea a very favourable ralretation ' if we could have hoped to oprou the hombardinint in lets than Reveal days? 1 appre hend, that tlis homing most have taken two day, at the kant previous to that, but, in glen calculation, I am certtkinle se sussing every possible eireunntanee to be most favourable, that one 01.1/1 wish, or almost iseative ; but the Committee most ace, that is a eakulistiuu, which most necemarily 111, its nature, very loose, without perm! and particular know kik* mem the spot I never irm )11 Antwerp, now spoil the rota from Antwerp to Santrliet ; and much mint depend also upon the state of the heath anti the ficility of land. Mt, because the diflieulty of 'sadist gime and mortars, and the heavy stores Iwlssiging to them upuo a lornrh, 'lemmas, in the first place...cry much arms the of the ground itself. •ottl , cry nowh upon the weather that Inns orcao at the tin,, 11.1 that sou erairelatinn made upon that subject mint lc liable to murk atortctalitly. tinitposigig the a.ny to be arrived at Aitteerrp, Ulla and ftrreeo-up-Znotat ruin timing in the hand. ui the tieneh, by what imams was that army to be pro. maimed —From the beech at Saint-het. Would not that h Ire tetoltrol is necessary to have d e . taclonl a strong corps 1.. toml: Iter.eantp. Zoom, and another 'trims r otos to mask t h a t t h e latiOn to the rite, would always hare been open to that p om p —lt would -•,-telly tree hers nrressnry to leave a strong corp• al 100 t, for the permute of thnmistx loop worlds, wor t s , L,.ta at cur • Ilir litadiog of totop!ka, and to iMere the ye.i.lal tc tt .aerate It nenlJ have been sermear) alga, that Bergen-op.Zoora Amid have been masked with o f trey Illtffiriellt to come:nil the- garrison therein, and in l lee stoner 4 CO/pi must have Into pouted to mask Lille; the this , ' corps, however, might have been pat is situa tions to skied occasinually mutual support to each other. Does your Lordship kips, accoribug to the urigitial plat, . what was the osmium of the free that was destiussl to dr; ulterior operations by Santrket ?....litelading the reserve mo iler Sir Jnhu Hope, a part of which, tea of some other corps, must have been left in South Vreeland, the whole force would have SIIIINI4Iied SO 49,u00 rash and file, exclusive of the waggon train soil the gamier drivers; as nearly as t revel ' lest, they consisted of Sir Julia Hope's, General Grog amuses, Lord Hutilley's divisiou, and my own. Knowing what your Lordship dues of the enemy's fore., do yon conceive that at say time a:abstain:id to your ma-teal at South Bevelaud, the force you have stated would have been sufficient to hove masked tub sail Bergen-op•Zoma, to have secured the rout uys, aid to have attacked Antwerp with the least probability of success du out. Lows your Lordship know in what tune, as the forming of the origiaal plan, it was calculated that tie Expeditious probably would be enabled to laud at Saatvliet casmot answei that guest:ion. Ido not lhiok Shot, under any cir cumstances, however favourable, we could bare arrived at Sant vliet sootier than the 3d or 4th of August. The divoien in which I was arrived off the coast on the 31st, sad I think if the passage had been open, and a nol mid weather f able, we could not well have vomit before Ike minnow of the lot. I as. not competent to speak to the tine which it might have takeu to proceed up the river ; bat allowing fur that three days, we might, under those eircuinstaucts, pos sibly have reached it by the 3d or till. Suppriteng that part of the areas destined fur the ulterior operatimis, had arrived off Santvliet, oil the 3d or sth, dues your Lordship, knowing what has come to your knowledge of the state of the enemy, coaceive there would bare been any probability of their succeeding against hut weep ?—1 du mot believe ' from the iufunuatiou I have had respecting the state of the town, that it would have been possible, even then, to have taken the town witbout heavy at tidery. Supposing the army tail ailvaliced against Antwerp and had been repulsed, without bariog secured Lillis or Bergen op• Zoom, dues your Lordship think they would lure been exposed to iimaiueot risk is their retreat?—Tea very cons'. derable haaard, more particularly if they had uot liad time to throw up works to cover their re.euPsihk itom. !toes not your Lordahip think !lot the whole of the Came. ditiuo was rather to i late to answer any rtaterill purpose ?- lam not prepared 11., , Ter that que:tiom, fur Ido out know at what time it would have answered the purpose. (His Lurtiskita withdrew. The Chairman wu throated to report pnagress, suit ask lease to sit spin. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OP LOADS, Tugspar, Pas. 27 . X [ARMY ND Wing. Juditnent wnsaiEristeal to Ibis eau%e, with tool costs. The C. n I of Hot et A presented too Petitions, one from the confined dehtors IR the gaol of Winch( stir ; and the miler Gown Ilunc conhoed no the gaol of Laeter.—Ordered to be laid on the table. The Earl of Ltvattroot. 11:10Ptd, o, That a Committee be appointed to examine the Reports and Memorials uf the Commissioner. appointed to euadiset the improvements is the streets cad places is Westminster; and that a Mesesee be sent to the Commons, requesting they would tearscnit In this Flitisse a Copy of the Reports and Mcmorials laid be fore them, relative to the same subjeet."—Agreed tu. DISSENTERS. Viscount Stosto;;11 to a motion which be thought proper to make last See - ion of Pirlia• inent, in eepsequence of which a certain return of the number of licensed preachers had been laid on their Lordships' table. He was not altogether sa tisfied with the accuracy of that return; and, there fore, he should now more for an account of the number of snch persons. licensed from the year 17C0 to the year 1808; which return might be made from the registry of each diocese; and also a mare dtcurete one might he merle from the ,carter eee— 'ions for the lame period. It was his intention to bring this subject under the attrition of the House, in the cruse of the »elution, tudt-sir it should be taken up by some Noble Lord of more considera tion ; at the same time, whatever conduct he pur sued, it would be recollected he was the real friend of toleration. PREROGATIVE. Viscount SIDXOUTH solid, their Lordships would reeollect the doubt which had originated reopening the period when His Majesty's consent should be obtained. if any bill should affect the prerogative of the Crown. A difference had aloe been drawn be tween the proprietary and the prerogative rights of the King. It seemed, indeed, to have been the re ceived opinion of Noble Lord% yesterday, that the royal consent was not nece.a try to be given pre vious to the motion for the steoed reading. How ever, such was his doubt still on the subject, that he gave notice, if ever a bill affecting the preroga tive should come before them again, be would move, in the tirst instance, for a Committee to examine precedents, in order that every doubt should he removed. DISTILLATION BILL. Mr. Rose. and several Members from the House of Commons. brought up the Distillation Prohi bition Bill. which wee laid upon the tattle, and af terwards read the first time. This Bill, on the motion of Earl BsritrasT, was ordered to be read the second time on Thur.day next ; on which tiny it was al.o ordered that the Lords be summoned.—Adjourned. NOUSE OF COMMONS. Kr. GRANT preettotert the Twelfrit Report of the eora siesionere of Naval topiary ; which wee ordered to lie ea Ilse table. The Depaty.t'sher of the ;Slack Rat produced a List of the • Members halloited to try . the =lotion of Glasgow, which was as follows : H. Swan, Peter W. Baker, E. B. Portman, H. Ayre • Esq. Sir T. B. Thumping, Lord Guernsey, Sir J Stewart, Sir J. Young, Sir J. Orde, Sir M. Wood, Sir R. Peel, Win a. Lockhart, L. Campbell, and R. %Valliant, Esq Mr PAIRN [LC presented ■ Petition from the Romaa Ca tholics of the Queen's Calory is Irtland. DIST I LLERI Eg. Mr. Ferree roue to more, "1110 the How should re wire itself into a Committee of the whole House, to tew eider the Arts relating to Distilleries." After snme observations from Sir Jetta NtWPOIT, atsd the Ca&ac►Mott of the Exceeerre, It wee agreed t►at t►e Committee should not sit till Therciag. SUPPLY. Mr. Lusutverrny hrootiit tap the Report of the Com. mitten of Supply open the Army Estimmes. Ann tune words from Sir T. Tt %run, and Mr. WAIT , the revolution wire Weed to; mkt the Report or dered to he rerrirril on Tlonriay. Mr. LosatwaroN Ata.ne.l tome to being in a Bill to pay the Army at their ounrerre. The Bill for reeietrrine Charit•thle DOTtlg:tg . 3 Wag read a meted time, sod ordered to be nail a third time on Thom. day. Mr. CA IXIIL•rt moved, " net en Accent Lr kid before the Home, Mtbe Ofticen op" the Stall; art the Pay witielt tbry motes 1 sod Slag. of the Artillery " IRISH CATHOLIC PETITION. G RA . T eve sa.d, Chet Lie petition which he held in hi. hand, end Imo theiiit to pr -sent. woo • petition from divers of the Roseau CAtkiolics of Ireland—it was a prayer for ronstilutionel paici leges—au applicatiou to that House for those rights and immunities, which, as subjects, they were en titled to, bat, as Catholics, deprived of. Whets lie had last the honour of addressing them on Lebolf of the Cititolice of Ireland. he had stated. that they ware twilling to grant a veto to the Crown, in all eccie.ia.tical anpototineuts. He was sorry to that, upon the present occasion, he could not icpe.it that promise. He would not watt., whether, in the fora:Prima-ince, he had rightly informed the Meuse. or whether the Catholics had retracted. 'reset was a question lie never would discuss; it tiring his mission, lint even to defend hit:serif, at the expellee of his country. With res;lect to the veto, lie was favourable to it himself. He 1111 l glit it right. lie thought it Recess ire, for the proles-nuts of the realm, tat tl:e Crown should have such a power; any one who looked to the present deg's& eft situation of the Pope. must approve or it. for at eat impossible to *Aunt that a French siableet should have the privilege of nominating to es-rfe-isi astical situations an these cauntries.—(blear hear !)—Ftf had Ito doubt but that the "pinion of the Catholics wits a. favourable to of our enemy, as his own ; and he wad sew. that if they decided against the veto, it was airily from an idea that such veto was not the hest in :toe of se curing that independence —(!fear ! law !)—lf they persevered in thinking it objectionable, they winds, certainly supply some other mealis. It was necessary to the success of their cause, that they should, an I, lie eutcrtained iso doubt, that they would, come to a fair and full miderstesidia4 upon the subject. -Such .• dcteridasafinis newt fake place before the privileges for which th-y applied could be granted. They had ordered hell. to present their petition to the House, in ord -r that it might be dievuosed; whea the day for its discas s:ou was ntrived, he would real Vita claim tiros two principles—no religions disolality stud ho iu reign nolomation ; a full enjoyment of co suite nonel pritile4es to the Catholic., and a lull Ao' ray to the Gevers mint. He deli:coated any far ther cuoversistion upon the sail jeer. that day ; when t'.• debate came tin, he would cseprecive heat and intemperance upon either side. lie war al ways of opinion, and he was now snore confirmed n it than ever, titan the union hetween Pro:lama raid Catholic was a protracted marriage, add the b. .t couditct for them to übserve was to beta with each order's intirmilies.—( Hear ! hear !) Mr. PRICIMI. said, that though he agreed wi the Hight lionouruble Gentlesnaa, as to the oniata priete of a debate in the present stage. yet he comb! not forbear m.sLing a few monists opal whet had fallen from the Hight Hon. Geatlessiaa. He could not forbear expressing his satisfaction. that the Ikttle opposition which he vine capable of giving to the questioa. had accomplished the object of explain ing a necessity to them, which the Iti4lit Gentleman himself admitted. lied the measure been granted the last tone it was pro l in.nd, it would hate been greeted on grouiwia iiierni•wtent with coostittitio.eil sal.ty ; for it would have le en granted usiconditionally. It now appear. d, Bust whites er difference exist between the Hight Hon. Gentlemen and himself, lie was not charge. able with intolerance. It was a question oh safety. net of bigotry. The Right Hoe. limit's main had allowed List certain cosidiiione were alums.* 'Fillifti 'it eihiffil? grated; lb - Stet if he ( r. I'erceval) thought that others would be nece.sai ; nay, if lie was of opi n i on , t h a t t h e conditiois contended fur by the Hight lion. Gentleman. mounted io fart to nothing ; it was evident that they did not differ in prlciple, but ill the extent to which that principle should b, applied. Theie was another obseivation of the Hight Hon. Gutul.- titan, which lie should notice ; he had stales!, th> t b e would never enter into the questioii. whrtia , r he or the Catholics were wrong upon tne rut jeer the veto; it certainly might be a matter of init.& ference to the Hight nun. Gentleman, but it acs not so to Parliament ; fur, when Parli-owent was asked to grant them • father extent. se of privi leges it was of imporlanee to aseerain Kw fir their conduct weaved to authorise it. lie had stated so much, in order to 'hew, tl.at he oiss in fluenced only by a view to the softy of the casuistry, and not by those intolerant feelings which *owe pet sons were so ready to ascribe. Mr. Gaarras said, that he had never changed his mind upon the subject of the Catholic claims, nor did he think it could be attributed to him, that he was guilty of any iii. olisistsitcy in hie pre vent conduct.—(!/ear ! hear !)—When lie applied i n behalf of the Catholics, in the time of Mr. Vox, he never conceived that the Home was to commu nicate the pi ivileges, all at once. The motion then MU for a Committee, and the objeia of the Cern. mittee was to consider the qualiticatioha ;totter which it would be judicious to grunt thew he. therefore, conceived himself to be completely roe aistent. He remembered that the Mewls of the Catholics, in anotlar piece, avowed openly, tied the privileges of the Catholics should he recoil that wt . the security of all existing eataldisliments in the country, so that there was no desiation now frusta what was intended then. With remote to the to at p!is cation of the subject, which some (sentlen ea were fund of representing. it was the strongest po :able argument for a Committee; breathes the House a cou lit do well to recollect. that when Mr. Fox biought (to ward the question, the Pope was in the po.e r of England, but now he was in the power of Fiance. By delayilie the IMPilbUtt until now. the Catholics had lost as o;l;‘oreinity of obtaining their pr, aid Euglaod had lost an opporiunity of rliipbq jug her generosity, uudsr the moat favourable cacao.- stances. Mr. C. Hieecetesow said, that he did not with to delay the House for any time, but as he had never lriowe a Minister to display such a w:.nt of alliteration and conduct, he theepth he would be wantini in his pubic duty, if he did not mike • few observaiiiinit. He hoped that what had fallen from his Right Hon. Friend (Mr. Grauan), would have its sine effect tu,on thi! Catholics. whoa: OMe he maintained ; and that they would come forward, sod declare theiperl.•-• willing to separate the e . selves from forego influence, sad to yitel ap ay? pretension, which loCOMl•lemet with the secerily of the state. He would not gide his rq • is upon the veto, and he theught it rather hard that question, but newly warted, should be Levu a•!- ventage of, and brought agiiiiist their substantial clams. lie was sate that (be Catliul:cs would do