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IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS, Faroalr, M A Y 4 . ROXBURGH PEERAGE. Sir Samuel Rum,lly W3ll Motif:too the part of Sir James lowa K.... and M r. GllllOl, fur General tuitliwr pro- , ev laigaue fresday. REVERSION BILL. Bid GROIVENon a.toL at was his intention to• have moved the second renting of this bill, at as early a period as possible, after the reseess and, t herefore, had fixed this day for that purpose. But on account ofavveral Noble Lords, who were then absent, and who would probably take part in the discussion, he should move That the Order of the Day be discharged, when he should opt t Thurs day se'unight fur the purpose of moving, that the bill be read a Second tain--.•." Ordered. INFERIOR CLERGY. Lor d rini.Lasn took the present opportunity of giving notice on whit day he intended to submit several motions to the House, relative to a subject which had b •en tnentimind on a former occasion, n „„.dy, the relef of the lower orders of the Clergy. He could have svislied the Noble Lord (Harrovrby) who hail brought this subject b; fore thou, at the time, had been present ; fur, although it was not hi. intention to inter at ally length into the merit of the subject now, rt. in candour to him and others, and ni justice to the House, he thought himself ca ll e d upon to state the outlive of the motions he should bring under their consideration. He had not been rumbled to form a complete judgment on the whole question, or hr should have wished to state the eruct terms in which those minion,. would be worded. But he utiderstond that an application %mild again be made to Parliameist for the relief of the lower Clergy. and he wis:aed to impress upon their minds, that there was another mode by which they might be relieved, and one which was , sanctioned by the law of the laud: for, it would be found, that the higher orders of the Clergy were bound by law to relieve them, au:l that they were fraudulently enjoyin.; those funds which the bounty door Sovereigns, and the porter of the Legislature, had cousigned for the use of the lower orders. A ccordingly, it wits his i.atention to propose four mo twos, one for an account of Queen Anne's Boonly, another for an account of the purposes to which it fog been applied, a third fur an account of the rent improved value of all benefices and lavings what ever, and a fourth fur an account of small liviugs and parishes. under art' act of Clue. IL united ro Towns and Corporatims. Ili, Lordship then gave notice, that he would make his several minions on Thursday next. The Archbishop of C4Nri.r.DUILY raid, the Noble Baron would recollect that the two tir.t sc counts isten k led to be moved, were before the House ; and ea to the others he thouillt they were of such a nature as to induce the (rouse not to szree for their production, unless some situ io grounds were Aeon why they ought to be pro duced. lie also intimated, that Thursday would wit suit th‘Conrenienve of the Hever . ..n(l Prelates t o attend, if the Noble Baron could mime any other day equally convenient to I self. Loral lini.ttito was desirous to accom 'iodate tea convenience of the Reverend Prelates, 11.11t1 he would therefore home Fri , lay. Ile was slot aware that the two first iiertrupos were before the House, for they hail not come under his observation. The Bishop of LONDON believed the accounts alluded to were before the House, excepting fur the present S‘-ssior. Load Hot.t.ANo fixed Friday for making the mo tions he alluded to, altlionzli they might not be precisely the same lie had described ; but if he should consider of any others (ana l yse understood him) he would give timely notice of his inteution The Irsh Co:oners Bill parnit l / 4 1 through& C - mittee, and w.is rliorted without any intendment. Lord A. Somerset, Mr.•tygon, Mr. Hall, Mr. Benson, am! several Members from the House of Commons, brought up several private Bills, which were laid upon the table, and afterwards read the first time. Adjourned till Monday. mouiz OF common. LONDON ,HWKS. Mr. H. BROWN K brought up the Report of the London Dyck Committee. Mr. Tutioortio rani, he howl many objections to this Bill, but would decline urging them at this Mr. W. SMITH 9180 otijeeted to the Ball, as lass thing had been done, and it was a monopoly iniegignia to the public. The Amendments were then agreed to, and or dered to be engrossed. Mr. W. Nix moved • for, and leave being oh taiiied, brought up the Tenth Report of the Com tainiiotiers of Inquiry into the Gaols of Ireland, which was ordered to lit ou the table, and to be printed. PETITIONS AGAINST PRIVATE RILLS. On a motion for giving further time fur the report on a private bill— The SPRAKUR oiserved, that a very injurious practice prevai led, of not presenting petitions against private bills—whieh, perhaps, had been three mouths before the House---till within three or four days of the report being received. By this means the petitioners awl their witnesses were detained .in town fur a long Nue, and at d very heavy expense. To prevent this injustice in future, he begged leave to teke 64 opportunity ofauggestiog. that it might be desirable, next seosion, to limit the time for the presentation of such petitions, previous to the time far receiving the reports. A Message from the Lord. aced their Lordships' assent to the Irish Roads Bill and several private Bills. COLLECTION OF TAXES. Mr. C. Du N DAS ohrerved. that, • in consequence of shst had fallen from the Right Hon. Vientle- Man epposite, on a former ocrasices, he had nits- P"ndeil his design of calling the attention of the noose to the vexatious mode of collecting the as sessed taxes. It was not his wish to burry Minis let's bat, al his atrxiety was great to have this Ma- Portant topic inquired into. and existing grievances redressed. he wished to know if any measure* had yet been taken. to alleviate, its•this respect, the die tres,es of the tiuhkect The CnAncitt.t.onnf the Exciattatinit, in reply, stated, that the bill he had formerly alluded to *as now in a state of preparition, and he trusted, shorts ly, to be able to bring it into the Rouse ; the Hon.' gentleman would thou see if its provisions answered his idea of what ought to lie done. Mr. Gmeeress observed, that the property tax was nearly allied to the assessed taxes, in the goevences occasioned by their collection. He had intended to have offered a motion on this subject, but would now wait till he saw what was the nature id the Bill about to be introduced. Mr. M. A. TAYLOR had, early in the course of the session, mentioned, that if no person, more able than he was, took np the subject, he would submit a motion to the House on the subject of the Re cords of the House of Lords and Court of Chancery. Ile now sikonlied his inteution of doing so ou Tues day, the epth of the present month. SPANISH PAPERS. Mr. SIMIDAN, alter some preliminary obser 'Aliens nu the state in which the papers relative to Spain were, at this tuoustet, either produced to the Howe, or notice given of • motion fur their pro duction, by a Right Hon. Fri6scl of his (Mr. Can ning) signified his intentiou of laming for such pa pers us had been produced to the other House, und pot to the Ilottse of Commons ; and also for the Correspondence directed by Government to Mar quis Wellesley out firs recall, cud that Nobleman's consequent cumniunication to the Supreme Junta. On the question for the production of these PO pent tieing put— The CHAKCICLEOR of the EXCIIFQUER said, that the former were not delivered to the House in con scqueoce of a mere mistake. They were now pee-. , paring, and i•Juld be laid before the House, iu pursuance of the former order, and therefore; new motion on the stibjeet was unnecessary. With re spect to the additional rapers, he wished the Might Hon. Gent. to give it notice on the sullied, Mr. SHF.RIDAN, upon this, withdrew the motion for the first papers, ned fixed on Tuesday for his motion fur producing the correspondence, • &c. on the recall of Marquis Welleslei. EXCHANGE OF PRISONERS. Mr. SHAPE stated, that it was nut his intention at pre mot to bring forward the motion of which he had given uotice, relatii ere the Exchange of Pri soners between this country and France. He - was restrained limn doing so, because 11/vitiations were going on for the eecomplist iit of this de sirable object, which he trusted would be ultimate ly successful ; and he would not . , by introducing a question which might gtie rise to discussinti no the subject, perhaps throw seine obstacle iu the wily of its being speedily effected. CRIMINAL LAWS. Sir SAMUEL ROMILI.Y Auid, a return hail been produced from the Secretary of Slate's Office, iu consequence of a motion made by lion last S..bb our, but it was out so full or particular as to wise er the purpose for which he wished it. It only stated the iiiimbera of pers me committed to gaol, in England and Wale% but tlie most Wiper taut part of the information ‘ranted, was the nature of the offences for which those persons had been committed; and, of these, how many had been ac petted. and how many convicted. For instance, from the return on the table, it appeared, that up wind. of 4000 persons were committed in the year, for larcenies; but this was not sufficient. It was of consequence to know of these. how many were for sterling in dwelling-houses, how manly' i n shops, ho • many on persons. &c. ; how many were ac quitted of the capital part of the charge ; and ell other iaftirmatien connected with their crone and sentence. Ile could wish to sue from the numbers thus clearly marked out at daft-relit periods, in what mauiter alterations cud experiments in the law had wrought, and them , deduce conclusieus as to the (elects of these al.eraiions. With this view, he would move, o That au humble Address he previewed to lite .Staff-sty, praying that be would he pleased to order a rehire to be laid before the House, of all per. , o:lll committed to gaol to take their trial et the Assist.' in England and Wales, in the years 1805..6.-7,-8, and o, distinguishing the crimes with which they were charged at timer committal, those for which they were indicted, those of which they were convicted; whether the conviction was partial or complete, the nimibers discharged, the numbers exisaited, &c. Ike." lie did not conceive there would be any difficulty in procuring such a retern as the Six Clerks in Eng land, and the four in Wales. had all the informa tion in their possession, in calendars and other re cords. His object, iu this 'notion, was, to renew, early in next tiession, a measure of which lie de plored the miscarriage in the present. He would not trouble the House, with bringing again and again before them, any measure upon which the since of Parliament had been sufficiently expressed; but,he did nut think that had been the case in the present instance. The Bill had been lost by a ma jority of two. and of those who voted, several had expressed only doubts of its efficacy. Like boine of the unfortunate criminals, whose cause he plead ed, his Bill was condemned, not for any fault, hut for sonar offence in the person who brought it for ward, of which the Judges bad obtained informa tion. Doubts, in this institute-, instead of 'Term nog in favour of life, lied operated against it. lee was nut mush surprised. that a Secretary of State, • Chancellor of the Exchequer. and • Lord of the Treasuryoshould vote together; but he was surpnsed, that, a question of this kind, so remote from ell party-feeling, and of mere speculative opinion, as it was called, should have been lost, influenced by party-spirit. He could not also help expressing his astonishment and regret, that a matter of so much magnitude and importance, should have been decided tit so thin a House. Whether Gentlemen thought well or ill of the ques tion, surely a question on which depended the lives of 7 or 800 men annually, was worthy the attention of a legislater ? Some Gentlemen had told him, that they would 111 .4Ve attended, but they did not know the motion would have come on. He had done all in his power to make it known, and had given his notice in a very full (louse. A notice, such, as he had trusted, would have excited iuterest enough to procure an attendance as numerous as the High gate Archway, or Lambeth Waterworks. He now again gave Donee. that he would bring on the con sideration of his other Bill on Monday. and if the notices which had the precedence occupied too much time on that day, he would positively move it on Fri day. He had heard it said, that even the declaration of his intention to renew the measure. would ioduce some of thole who dispensed the law, to inflict the capital ponistinieut on offenders before the Rest Session ; but this be could not believe; for he could not think that auy unto, who sat in the seat of jus tice, could ever think of ausweritig arguments used 'list House, by the staffering4 of ther fellow mortals. He concluded by egs,u s:uting the Inn tuns, and also the nuttstauee of a bri-otid (notion to the same effect, only substituting Quarter Sessions for Assizes. On the question being put, Mr. Secretary thrusa expressed his acclrdance with the opinion, that ail the information twit could be ohtaiued on this subject was desirable and im portant. He avowed this, to L,uatd himself against uny misconstruction, if he could nut procure all that his lion. Friend required. He believed this motion was the cameos one wade in a former Ses sioii, to comply with *limb, the Noble Lord, who was his predecessor in office. had made every ex ertion, without being able to succeed. The Clerks of A,size, &c. had complicit as far as they could, and he could not tell win titer it was in his power to procure any thiog further. Ile could assure his lion. Friend, however, that he would take all the pains to procure the isforination, though lie could neither pledge himself as 19 success or time. regard to the agreement of opinion on his side of the House, lie could not see any thing more extraordinary in that, than iii the agreement of gentlemen upper:Jae with his lion. Friend. His vcoe lie gave on this simple ground, treatise he did not think the c 3 would be prevented by the alteration of the .low, as was supposed by his Hon, Friried ; and lie could produce many cases, in which such offetices, from attending circumstances, deserved more to be capitally punished Oran other crimes to which his (100. Fria ud would coutioue to attach that penalty. Sir THOUAS Tuovia attributed the thinness of the House on the decision of the question, to tlrre bring, on that very day, county Sessions all over England. The i..stsactu.oa of the Excisrtiusit. alluding to the asierrations of his L►s►rued soil lion. Friend, that party-spirit hsil 'nisei in the decision of the fate of his Hill, could slot see thst ally imputation of that kn►t could justly be made. Persons not masters of this subject, would 'morally go with those, with whose utrislions and Mattes of thinking they were ill the 'whit of agreeilig. The thin at tendance oo both sides of the House was another proof that tie;t her ht, II in. Friel.ils on hi% side, our Gentlemen who espoused the oppo.ite opinion. had been very anxious to exert themselves to have their party frie►►ds shout them. After a few words from Sir S. Root LLY, bulb the motions wer.i port and ogrred to. Str S. Routi.t.e then gave woke, for Monday, of a motion Oa the subject of Tr*Mpurts to New South Wales. Mr. SHARPE gave notice. that he would. MB Friday, wove for iiii add 416% tII I lis Maje,ity. pray ing for the production of cerium p.titets relt,ttql to in the ILdt Report of the Conanii-sioners of Naval Revision. FINANCE Mr. HCIKIIIOII, after some Astra:dim), on the nature and expenditnre'in the Transport Service, moved for a return of the number and tonnage or hired tramports in the service, made up to the Assays possibly period; mitt deittneuishitig ttle ra tions on which they were employed, and the num ber and tonnage at each swim,. Alan for a return of the number of seamen employed to irivigate them. The estimates on this subject, tho' dated on Bth January, had not been presented till now, and it was icupoaaible to come to the vote for the provim o n of 1 5 ,000 me. additional 10 the navy, as proposed to he done on Monday, without the lam.- minion Ma was two-nary. lie therefore hoped his Right lion. Friend, (the Chancellor of the Ex chequer) would postpone that taotiou till Friday, by which time the 'paper. he had now moved fur would b before the House. The CHANCILLitft of the EICIOQIIEII had no ob jection to the production of these papers. He then explained the manner in which the estimate for the 15,000 additional men to the Navy, and the . frans• port I...stiniate, were made up, and could not imagine that any im-tposierne,it of the voting the .iipply For that purpose, would enable the lion Gent. to be more prepared with arguments on the subject, than he was already, from his intimate acquaintance with it. He did not wish it postponuul, on account of the lateness of the season, and the expediency of having the various items of the annual expenditure ascer tained before the Joan was contracted for. He would therefore retain his intention of proprisiil the increase of the Navy Estimates in the Com mittee of Supply, on Monday, end the Army Ex ttaordinaries on Wednesday. Mr. Thattiv had thought it was understood that no pressing business was to be brought on upon Wednesdays; as to the expenses of the year being n • ily to he ascertained, before contracting for the loan, if that was the reason why the Right Hon. Gentleman would not accede to the de lay requested. he could as.urehitn, he would not for ward the matter touch in that respect, as the Peti tion trom the East India Company, for a loan of two millions, which must also enter into these cal. ciliation', could not come from the Committee above Muir% in less than four or tire days. Sir C. Pots said. there were many ports of the Naval Establishment, which might be reduced. end it was therefore improper to vote For the additional 15,000 men, till they Umpired into what might be retrenched. Ile believes! as much might be saved,. as would render any further provision unnecessary. For isatanee, the Harbour Uuty Men were a great expense to the country, and were of very little use. It was no humanity to a man who haul spent hi life at to employ him in the same manlier a t was iit ;tin, ploy ed. There were also from 15 t o eo.oou men , who had been at sea from 15 to 17 years with out being on shore. Looking at thr state of Fiance, it was a fair question to consider whether it was not ati t time to begin with reducing them ? All these things were arguments in Favour of the short delay req nested. 'The CHANCSLLOS of the Excultrauxa said. all these things might, and must be brought under the consideration of the House on Monday, whew the vote was proposed, and it would then be for the House to judge how far they would go. As Cir his employing Wednesday, it was only because finding die Mondays *La Fridays so much occu pied with Oakes, that he took that day, in under to I • i secure one day to himself for the discussion Oa the business. Mr. Hcsittssow said, though he certaialy was prepared to meet the question on Monday, with . general arguments, he could not be so well pre pared to enter tutu particulars, us if the motion was postponed till the papers were produced. As for its being necessary to know all the items of the an nual expenditure, the reverse was the common praictice, and the loan sae, usually, made early in the Session. Mr. WILBERFORCE, ou casting his eye over the estimates, was surprised to find that an esti r....ate for the New Dock at Northtleet was nut among them. The question was put and carried. EAST INDIA AFFAIRS. Mr. CREVEV rl)*P, in pursuance of his notice, to move fur three sets of papers on the subject of the Midi's of India. As timi was a subject of ; ; rest im partance, it was hut lit he should state t he object of his motion. The tint set of papers for which he should move, would be for the purpose of shelving the nature and progress of those disturbance. ni the Madras army. which had shaken the British em pire in India. From them it would appear, that this was no mutiny of an ordinary nature, and that the danger incurred was great. It was not by the superiority of the Europeans that our empire in India was preserved. The King's troop" did not amouut In snare than 4 20,000 men, and ilia. Com pany had but three battalions. On the other leind, there was an army a from 150 to 160 Mo nerve troops raised soil recruited from those Governments. which we had overturned and destroyed. lie feared that :ill these couutties united in sentiments hostile to the British. In such a situation as this, what must have been their feelings, on beteg spectators of the British officers iii array against the 3ritish Government, and actually engaged 1.1 condiet ? What mil they have thought, whew they saw the 'blood of the native troops stied in a quarrel of this kind ? It was a miracle that oar Indian empire withstood the shock—sabot-It a) terrible, that be was informed the native Princes had to send emits. series to the camp to seduee the soldiers Worn their oflicers. He was astonished that the empi e survived it, mid was sure rhat it must have shaken the opi nions both of the 'woole and native troop.; Lib re s wird to the British. The first set of pii,er•. as he had said. would illustrate who was right and who was wrong in this dreadful At prose it he would give no opinion. The Government accused the officers of euteriug into a combination. and carrying matters to so dangerous .a length, that they were compelled to interfere; arid, ou the other hand, the officers denied all this, and ac cused the Governor. Sir George Birlow, of leaving. fora year before they crowed iota thus combivatvn. treated theta throughout with wanton iiisul•.— The only opinion he ensild now give was, that no provocation in the soldier could justify an ap. peal to arms. The next sets of pliNtS would move for, were connected with the .inn cv torts of law at Mildew.. Here it was tweessaty fur him to state a few facts, to Arse what has totrss tion was no this part of the question. A few years ago, whets the Carnatic was ceded to the company, they took noon themselves the payment of the Prince's debt.. To liquidate these, they resolved la oat span the sum st fire an - dhoti*. to this coun try, by an act of the Howie of Commons, Coins euissioners were appointed to inquire into the claims. soil pay the money ; arid, last year. they had found there were claims to the amount of So, instead of five millions. 111 such a matter as thi., there were no doubt many fictious demands. At Madras, a cer tain bo.ly, either from holditig honds,or forsome tab. r reasomealling themselves t hobrmafide creditors of the Nabah, prosecuted other claimants, in three differ ent actions, for conspiracy and perjury. In these three trial., however, strange as it might snood in this country, the Government took part, not with the prosecutors, but against them, and fur the prose cuted ; and by their influence the questiou was de cided. The interference, too, was of an ojoiressive kind : several of the prosecutors were removed front their offi ,, es. and sent hundreds of miles from Mi. dr.'''. One person in particular, tin years of age, who produced a certificate (rem hi. physician, to prove that removal would be dangerous to hes heal b. and asked the reason for his banishment. was de nied an answer, and seta to a place where, by his death, in a fortnight, he confirmed t h e pliy saian'e predictions. Nut content with this, Govermuent had still further interfered, and, selecting certain persons from the three Juries, by enfant these pro seentions were trier!, dealt with them as they had dealt with the prosecutor., removing them from Office, aria sending them away from Madras. He did not mean to say that Government might not hare been reduced to exercise tins power; but it seemed so 'tromp- to men an this country, that it was but fit to be inquired into. He would therefore move for the prod nation of ci pies of these trials; of the orders for the removal of the persons; applications, fiiquiriag into the causes thereof; and ether papers coulter trd with the same. 'The Council of Madras consoled of four persons, at the head of wham was Sir G. Barlow. Those who dissented from him, were, by law, to state their reasons in minutes to the Court of Directors. He wished to have these. as he understood 11,. Petrie. the Second in Council. did object to the measures pursued. His (Mr..Pettie's) opinions too, were of some weight, as compared with Sir G. Harlow's; for he Iliad been 44 years at filedniss while the latter had only bent two or three. The oniv remaining papers for which he should meve. were such as would shew how these mate.' had been viewed by the Court of Directors and the Go vernment at home. This was more necessary, as the Court of Directors had divided in equal mum. hers on the que.tioti. whether Sir a l'1"1" or Mr. Petrie should be recalled ? and the mice - dental issue was the sending Mr. Petrie to anotier l ;11. vernment. Some of the Directors bad pro. tested against this, arid he wisht,l to base there protests, to see on 101.0 their opinion, w en founded. These were all the papers he sew wanted ; but, he trusted, should any others up. pear to he nee,,sary dune,: the. course of this he world he perruitteil tocsin for theta. The lion Getilleruan concluded t.y moving for the Male of papers wboyresuentitreft, being copies of all cor respondence between the Commander-in... Ch.. f, .• • thr Gov,rnor to Conrail at &Andra% three- . err, •t of Lieut.-Col.Monrott.. &c. Mr. New ex Meseepitaw, i,