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. rt. , Nat eTs sad nee ender natAr toms:ova, for ( heir Rut sue Oar , icr• in capturiug thr 181. n. I ..f also to' Or ilun. Sir .11es:cider Corbin:ie. Cou bit Cu- W home, Rad the Otkii.rs n,rl inro u4der their ( MUM MA, • hu N bravely snit Jil1111.1) Ihuted their imprelcrs Words the wit." • Lord Glattl'lt.l.S roll. not for the purpose of * tucking the 'emu objection to this vote of thanks, be we torn would inure rsatlity than fin ti.. usell rtl reds his gratitude to tli - 0.411 who hail kroiatriboted . • their service* to their cosintry's good. But while ' . it* concurred with the Noont Secretary in prai•ing whet Itad been Atone by this portion of win army end navy, *till it was a question in has cobsidenr . .-. ..- timi now '.fsreity new sennisizion in that part of • tie world would be lieueticial to our comniercial ' ibtrest , . No doubt could rids*, that cur confined t '•' consumption at prestmt would not alioril II proper .market for the produce of chi, newly obtained co. 104, and by Mere:non?, 'he commodity prove in-, jurions to our commercial wrllare. It had been stated. the force employed upon this undertaking wore nut wanted in nay other;port of the globe. but s - ; th•r Noble Secretery must first prove. nut the motion ". ahvout to her brought forward by his Noble Friend, wly-ilier; if the ex:w,litions to Spain and Pnrtugal ought to have berg adopted, a sufficiently largv• and efficient force hail been sent fur the piirp4tee of eatraprting the citrupligii. 1 The Vote of Thvok. was suireed to tinaiiiinonsly. . 1 Mr. Coley preaositiol, Papers fro:o the Cott a... sioner* for the A r:.iiirisient of 11. ...edit re4artliog Scutlairl.--'3rder‘d to he laid on :he Tabled Adjourned. .... 7 ....4.0........ , 110VSE. Of COMMONS. —a-- 4 The rill flii allowing a litri.lce to he haft erects OM Tisfillits, r. 18ZaC the savoy to the iii.p,oirt bison., wet 1.0-.1 a secolol hoar coil reforefto a orirvte foutootv.e.. , , L. 6 I. Na &ONLY MONTGOMERY PrOngllt in a ltdi c.o. a.dtinz .., r s e,las all doubts of per no prof:ming the C.stlialseßelizisaa • a posses. freehold prosaerty us Inland. Haas! a tint time, ' AA& neutered to he read a secotol time this if.,. fortisielst. The Caernarvon Ilaehaur Bill was launch third Owe nod ' pnaiwal. The ficotris Reror Is' Bill ir-s read a third time and p-irsed. • The Irish Itibeinil Bali WAS read a iisirsl time cud russet 3 1r. Pow. 6 llllr Cave flak* or his intention to bring for - yard • ernes rtlato.s. to the . s...alactiost of ver..r:d pupas rrspect.n.c. eit hoe ra attains is Stain, an the litsth i‘iliiiilil i oat-As they w -re iss....Nsr. 6: 111 - Isn . to that dpi. :qr. ton:: xave nut.ee of his nitration to more, on Tharsila) nee., for a. veral papers talisfore to the Late CAW imicu id Pu•-iiizal Mr. ...taw Inured, that the paper* lahl befre. the 'louse bon tip- P.uuceg ituaid lit Dublin he Ishidcal Oros-sett. A .. iosatte from the Dunne of Petri infcuift fuse liaise that theirloriships lent 17tret'el 10 I lif Irish t'• ru filiton•tai ma bull, the Irish Spirit Drawback Dill. the PCiiiiiiAt Dilly Bill, tied Oft pewter Bill Mr. Payee dilute gave notice of Isis Atentino to noire tomorrow, for stone papers rentro to the dent:i rigri.ey of lobo New ton, Esa twos tie,. rear I /44 to liar B rea inoa. A Bull r.N,..:411 dins the rectegaitaaci a to er.nioial es... in Ireland, --i. 4 Mat time, roil ordered to lie lead sae. annd time teensuers LORD cAftTLEtt EAU ti. Lord Anemia tin" Ilastii.Tux said, that iiii un foreseen circanist•aie. would preeruo Lotto limn bringisiefurwarcl - ho. nityLoii relative to Lord Cos tiereaKh. oil Friday next, hr wished tile order 'should be changed tor to-morrow tie'iiitta,lit. Lord Casrxt.itAat.ii en.... Out Gtr tee purpose Of Obikerti .1g t i the !, ••.,n I , II• .•r, mi :t wished (oat it should hr ut.drridood a. fixed pe: -in inorily for the they mentioned. The motion for changing the day was then put stud carried. CORROPT DISPOSAL OF oFFIcCii. Lor.l Foi.nsTo s Eon pursuance of in. ilotiee, ore . oious to the late Recess, riade to sniske lit. 'notion relative to the existelice of cur; opt practices in , lie disposal of &Ares. lie doing this lie said, tt The House will recollect that l•i On, minutes of e vid ent e now before the It.nise, there w: re matters coixte 'nit not iinasediatela connected with the deportment of the Corromaml.qi-in-Chief, from which it Appeared that various 'eorimptious in the disposal of places bed existed to a very goat degree. The Molise did ant think tit doriusg that investigation to peals their inquiries as to those instances to a great ex tent ; but on one occia,i tttt t stink matters laid come oat as to iii.luce the I iduto; to otitniiiit a (Non:rattle* to investigate some, porticolar illbliSeii of the nature /te alluded to. and their report, which is solo ttt i t taus, is nnw in the. llinuis of almost every Member. It did appear during the lute investigation, that them were varioti‘ perunto, esnployexl iii the distio-al of places tinder Onverainent. and surely the Home icannot allow quoit peuelkos to exist, without exa mining into ettrio *towhee, ih order to ;undid% those that hate lie..a guilty of the offences that hove be •conie 'spy:its - iv, SO FIN to apply a remedy to the evil. Other foots hkewile tissue out. in the course of that love/ igation, with ruusuiect to the corrupt wale mid purchase of commissions in the army'--f . which it appeared dint army hunkers had been employed • . fir the purpose,of advantaging them-elvi. and their friends, eVen sittec the army regulations, reheive to that suluject, had been passed. Its the ease of Colonel irreue!As Levi . . it appeared theta notate of raining wee hail been adopted, that gave rise to foal-tenet cis of a most eortupt nature, and on alit certainly to be iiiiiiii,roti into. The eiremustaimes that have come to the knowledge of the House, since 1 gave my notice, are a great emilirmittioti of the propriety of this proceeding. I mean the int proprietiea that have been proved to exist in the appointments of _tile East India i'entssissists I *ball not enlarge upon this subject, *4 1 CroIC;CIV. it is _impassible the House Will refuse lunch a motion , ,A tie nos I have now I:se hortotit to submit to Ostia. I hen, therefore, to tome. " That A Conenittee be appointed to inrot're lain Oat es ' tamer or en eorenTst practice • rt any depart :trot of the store, or hall Hoy ,e4reeinci.l t ucgoetstioa, er bargain, et . then direst or loiterer, tor then), 4 4 Macro, and ai.,e, int o soy eorruiut priotic.•s, as to .he sale of ereitatio•Low iii glee sissy, awl I tee noisome of tarts fit let, it.—. i id Lbw toe said Cutniuittecilarrperneieirope6in, with observation' tfiere • trivoi.and also, that item bare pmwerlct report the Wrote,. of evidence, takau to•fore Dom, Sewn time to Niue, to the • 0 4 0 ,8 c./ • . Mr. Pi,flcl:v.tt. , --" I u•nnoot u4ree to this mo tion, hullos/ the Noble 1 . ...n;(1 inixely collects lacts out of that evidence, 'whirls. he says, littl'iCt^4 hint to dillik it would Last ailsiwirtle to enter into this tze.• sterol iirrpoirV, in order to elable the Ilium: to dis sever itofis•nlinti s who have herd guilty of eiyrrittit practioet, mid make anent the objects of censure and punishment. This, h.! .stays. is SPr the pur pose of prefetitioir the 'reciirretice or aitoiler emu-, plaiiits in future, rod conceives that the result would he criminal proceeding.' agniost inultvoltiols, • %Saloott knowing presiously who those indisidnids. .. . .. I • i ore to whole tech accuatitions mould apply. ?rota all the materials that we as yet have. 1 rTo not think thaj, to any our case, corrupt practice,, are brought home to any iieiiyidual eitimeeted a itli the offices and preferuiews in question-w•laut, oa the contrary, all the evidence app.mis merely to rhea that there are. a variety of instances, in which perilous, .erirct itig theineelves into a species of agents, have endea voured to obtain appoilittneurs throtigh those who may have them in their gift, by misrepresenting to them the wound* upon which rued) applies& ((((( • were made. Hy these means, Chime who :lettially have the disposal of the office, are as perfectly ig uorant of any bad intention, or corrupt pructiees or motives, as any individual Member in this House. lit the case of Mr. Thellusson, for instance, it up pears, train the evidence of the. person giving toe mforinatioa. that. that gentlensiii hail not the oftginest know led4e that there n 111.1111) COIIIII4. pitr nose, but ctiliceived that it was solely through frieudship to as It appeared also, that otlo r appotiittoents, of a similar nature, had been 1 , 01 , 1 y procured from avgnamtatnee Or persona, without any corrupt old under these cir cumstances. I apprehend, that if a Committee were to go into such a general inquiry, they would only huh eases in which it would 11,:, impossible to direct any punishment amtinst those Mein NMI the of jest a the Committee would be defeated. lint even although it were teherwisc, I put it to the Rouse whether it be politic to appoint it Coin tante, to inquire tint into any distinct charge, but set a Committee of Inquiry afloat I kr an intim ' edam, to investigate all abuses that may have existed for twenty years. Is it necessary thus to keep alive the public mind, on a subject ummc which mere already exists a great degree at a., siety ? (Some toughing fioni the opposite lion. Gentleman may luu4h, but I think there are several persons on the: oppo,ite side, who will not lie induced u:atit inch grounds to arstin to this motion. lam well aware that there may lie musty to the House anxious to oppose corruption, but my own conviction is, that a 1 do not think thcre is soy reason to soppose, that by further inquiry we could find cases that would lead to the punishment -of any intlit idttals, without stating any distinct i-vtain es of abuses. If there be any description of offeiwe which it may be thought possible to prevent by any future Bill, such a Bill might lie proposed for.that purpose, and I may remised the :lunge, that there ii already one of that descrip tom before them, for the purpose of remedying those alinses which that former Committee brought •to oar knowledge, and to prevent brokerage of offices. All that the House had to do, was to adopt some wholesome provisions of kw to pre vent tite icenrience of these evils ; and I appre hend that Parliament is already itt pu.ses.siun of all Uie infortiottioll necessary to remedy tlieni. Lord Arculaabe Rant wrox supported the motion, as he thought the disclosures already made were sufficient to justify its adoption. That fee mem which the Right Honourable Gentleman conceived would be increased b r such an inquiry, he thou4lit would lie rather increased than allayed by the suppression of it, and he would ask, was there uo dauger likely to arise from the suppres sum ? not Fordarreous dated, that the lionise el ready brought, to light a isyetein of corruption, and without a more minute investigation, Bills credit ;tot be brought in to remedy effectually the milli er.saplained of. He begged the Howie to re/1114:1A what had already been the conrequence of the in verti.r.ation of the Committee, as io the Duke o f York, mid cansider whether it itie;lit not be pos sible that such a Committee a. that lie now pro prised, would net most probably bring some other indiridnal to piiiiislinreut. The Heusi had other modes of punishment besides tubtituting criminal proceedings, and therefore the arguments of the Right Houutirable Gentleman amount to nothing ut sill, It was truly astonishing to hear soil, a pro positiots submitted to the House, as to'Wileilber it tons politic, or convenient to enter into far ther ex onination of Mouses, to keep 'dive the fer ment in the public mind ; for it could not be doubted, that after the suspicion of abuses existed, it was the most politic step that could In• taken to prove to the people that they did ant Sach a motion as this was the very measure the Iti;:ht Honourable Gentleman ought. by lair owis +argu ments, to endeavour to support. The seo.t likely mode of exciting a ferment, was, the endeavouring to shut the eyes of the people, by refusing the she tsctinn of threw who committed offences, and to Arty to what extent they were 'carried on. The . Ifni/lI:M{ICM already made hli upon the pit the mind scented to him to call loudly upon the /louse to go into this inquiry. soar to set the public right us to the real state of facts ; and couviuce them that they might look nn to their rulers with confidence, , which, in the present state of things, did not seem to exist, Whether these abuses existed or MA, it was in every point of view proper to 'agree with such a motion, aud if "any thing in the world was likely to raise die ferment to a dangerous extent, it was the opposition given to it, by one alio is the •frieud and associate of those persons alio are the culprits in the very oilencer compluined (liver ! Hear !)—lf this Cumnsittee were not appointed, the public must undoubtedly think that corrupt practices of the %satire entitled to, did actually exon. Lord 11, Para opposed the motion, upon the came grounds as Mr. Perces-al. Ile thought it was frilly necessary to adopt prospective measures, to remove existing evils. He could nut support the of his Noble Friend, miles* it wrut to-spe r. wirticular filets and abuses to lie inquired into end rectified. It was not usual for the House to Co' is mit such powers to any Committee—as it would be indeed departing from their privikgcs. The lotise nught certainly to hilt, e th,e power of judging if the ells, etions of may charge he sliffieiesit e be fore th e y - enumsitfesl it to the iiirmitigatinit of it Cointnittee. Such a motion as that now proposed, would to produce all inquiry into every abuse that us my have existed; ut day time. however di,- taut it might tee, when Amy suspicion attached. It war, in short, an inclai.iitorial Nucl. ~,,, which should only Ise lodged in Pashament. He should be nevertheless inclined to rapport his Noble F'riend's motion, so far as he could make out silly 1111Velik allegation, us to en, abuse whatever, aria. in; out of the Minutes alre.itly before the House; because he confessed that the premeut state of the: 1 puhlic mind required dint ingniries slinelld be can t utieted ins the &nog rational Lansc iple s . ti e 1,0 1 .., e d I that in the instances where Coutinittees had been appointed for general purposev, they had proved abortive ; !It'll' was the case in the generel inquiry Instituted as to the conduct of the Tory Adiannie tratims, ii, Queen Aunt's reign, and the generul inquiry into t h e conduct of thell alpole Adiutiostra time. On they gromitis he could not agree with the present motion +.a it stood—but lie arts peptic:l . to enter auto any inquiry of it specific nature, that might afterwards be proposed. Mr. WIIITURLAU said. he should certainly vote for the modem, because every argument used against it only tended to ,hew the no:tweedy of en uring into a general inquiry into the situntion of onr affaii A. Abuses have been proved to e‘ist. aril it only remained to be itscertnitied by whims they were tominittleYend on whom ptinishurein was vibe iiitlO:ted. lie believed that bulb in +tin! out of that flonse, the conviction MI liSt he illa : a great deal would be brought to li t :lit by sir: l 3411 inquiry. The Rtilon.Gemnitiagiiied that every tieing aiecee sary was included in the Bell he had abuilete to, but this he (Mr. W.) doubted exceedingly. If they did hut know the real nature and extent of grievances, how vivre they to remedy the evils ? What did that llaglit Hon. and Learned Gentleinan think now of the firm of Poltuau and Kealock, where placi . s of ell descriptions' were disposed of? It was there that the ,rand corruption was to lw finned, by which all wits corrupted. The first istfortnation of its ix isteuce was received with redieule by all, and that Right Houourable Gentleman seemed to have eio suspicion that there was any such office; mid yet it now appeared they bed gone for severe' years disposing of place., even by ;midis advertise vomits. If so,, aas it not ;ever to inquire if th.. e persouo were eciaiteeted with individual* it oilliee, lei, they disposed of plmes connected with all sorts of patronage ? When such mimes !save come out i.i the Cuminiiti e upon the East India allisirs, tooled the Right 11 ble Gentleman feel intr o. - . 1 that the public should be in a ferment? The public •tiiiiel was justly indignant at what had come 1 to light, and %inlets the House showed itself well ing to disclose every thing, and to bring culprits to posuishineitt, the consequence* were to lw dreaded. The motion might have Leen framed with greater specification, hut, even as it was, he could never consent to its being rejected, for the , purpow of throwing a veil over 'fuels corrupt trans actions. In the appointment of the Committee, such a selection of into might he formed as were thought most worthy of confidence ; and there might even be a power reserved to change them sit any time it might be thought proper. He hail now nn doubt that criminality would Le found to Huai li to many individuals from such en investigas tines, fur he believed that in various departments of the state, abuses existed that were not yet ch-eamed of, and that they by this means would be brought to light. If other Committees in mat ters of a general nature had been appointed, end did not do their duty, it. was no rearm' why the Mouse should not do theirs upon the present °era %ion. He was convinced that greater danger would result from the refusal, than from the com pliance with this motion, for the conduct of per nuns thooglit to Lie implicated must either be black or white ; if black, it ought to be disposed of by bringing them to punishment ; and if white, nothing could be more satisfactory to the House and the public, than their innocence should make ita appearance. Mr. Tieatixtr said he understood at the time the noure for this motion was given, that it was to bent a different nature, dint it was to atweify the isarticielsr installers of idolise end corris•ition to be investigated ; lent he now fouud that it was totally different from whist was at first intended. The Nouse were now, all of a sudden, called on to take one of the most important steps that ever was taken, and iti proportioit as the public mind was already ',Aurally heated, its consequeuces became oor less than arraigning the whole Govern. 1 merit of the country, in every deportment, as ! if their re-induct gave. rise to suspicion in every its-- stance. Ile perfectly agreed with 1s Noble Friend, that where a prima facie case was made out, it would be most disgraceful to the House, if not sifted to the bottom!, ; but while the House owed a ! duty to the people, t h ey also owed a ditty to the `Government of the country, in supporting it to a certain extent. They were. by this mottos, about I to deal with the Government iii a way which they **old mot dream of doing io the case of an indivi dual. It was u l mere rumours that they were to accuse persons of real-practices, and have their conduct investigated by a Committee ; anti it mast be recollected that the characters of many indivi- ' deals most sustain injury in the mean time, altiso' no specific charge could be at all brought against them. He load no doubt the Noble Lord most have some particular cases in his mind. otherwise he could not have brought even this motion for ward, because motne specific charge must have been brought before the Committee. and if so, why not put the House previously in possession of it ? If mil-practices had been committed by himself, lie shoodd certainly wish that they should he first lint upou a specific footing, and therefore be could not think of entering into the consideration of charges against the present Government, where no speefication took place. It would be even highly improper to put upon their Journals that there were grounds of suspicions against them. without stating the particular grounds upon which such suspicious reeled. • So far from desiring to throw-., veil over any corrupt transactions, lee weesheJ the very reverse, for he should wish every opecifie charge that could be meek nut regained no indi vidual to he prolitel to the bottom, and the degree of guilt attacisehle to hen to be brought to light. —He hoped the Noble s lord would, for God's sake, pause, before lie persisted in a • motion of this kited ; for, while he gave him ample credit for his hotiourehle and upright itittnitiosis, he felt I that the most deingeroum coosetpiesices might isrise from such 4 manifest departure from the ortlitiary peneeeiloigii of Parliament. I i the cases of the Rest India Patronage there was, in his opinion, no tiling that touched the Government of the country, diet Home., nor any public departineut,.for it onlv alieeted the Court of Directors themselves. is lir) OM subject to a separate law Its to the transactions Otitis nature that had been disclosed. It had al. ~-.~ .~ _ ways strus k I with surprise thitt the notm e had greeted pe saison fur that Co asuittee of Indian investigation at all, as Ilse Cotthome* o f Directors were already faith. •iselde Is, the ISMS for any eiltsice committesi. Ile tres..esi the Noble. Lord wou ld W ithd rew hi s m o no', awl houg it in in some ether shape, for otherwise he could not egret without moue sta.iig grimed. to critnioate all departments of the Slide. Ile believed the ma jority of the House hail Ito slis;eisit to shrink inquiry, but still that inquiry must be instituted in u meaner the lutist prover end just to satisfy the public. His nwei character must speak for itself, but he must say that no cry whatever could induce him to agree with such a *notion. Mr. BRAND quid. that he lead an objettom to the nestion of the Noble Lord, but it was tnetely an objection as to the mode of inquiry which it re commended ; by would support it or acv motion so recorded us to tit the trecedent• upon their Jour 'sills. The (;entlerriesa who were le ,t e,f orn „d njion the subject of their precedes, 5, had ties tutu d their dissent 14101) the ground* of its too steralityl I helves inclined to thiokt: et in son we. so tit to inquire into abuses as the Ilswevt of C 1111 l 'nuns it. If—iu the House s Coulasone ipsestious of that nature were likely to he ale. ciderl upon with snore consisleratiou ter the of the country than ill Comm:tires, tOr winch ru e . son, with whatever regret, he must ist oet the thin of the Nolde Lord I).v, hies Mr. LETLIBRIDart said, that the usiatiota slid nut appear to relate to any ourticular charges *gonna any particular per.r.us, whicit ROW What the Cousitry expected; upon that groused he sontkl wait until the Noble Lord was prepare:l to specifj the chariest hr had to sotbsuit. Mr. PuNKUNRY mid that he hopes! he world not be accused by any mass of a wish to conecal'assal serer', abuses; ou the contrary, he will most on v.. toils that abuses where they existed .11iiiild be brought to Hein, the Noble Lord himself was slat more in. Ile objected to the ruction lactose ti. House, because it eniri that great %apnea had rx istetlt without °filming any proof fur the as,er tion. If the Noble Lord had followed the e:oessl.le of the Honourable Gentlest's'', who brought for ward the charges against the Duke of Vie k, he winald.have.ubtained every satisfactiou for the poll lie abuses of -which he complained. He u:ougist the Noble Lord was hound to stets- the charges.— Tliei:4 wits n'OlitstaneC in tbe . practice of that Hoare to authorise the tuferteice, that, because sonic charges had coma ant ageinst an individeur, they seere justified in criuneatise; a whole eoteruirent. He would not give a silent vote upon that oucasious because there appeared a disposition in twiny per sons to misrepresent the character of that Noon . to hold them up its all knaves and rogues 'dike ; because it had been said, that it signifitd little what party was in, as the object of all would be to coy, r and to comitemmee corruption. He nould say, in answer to such persons, that there were itiin in that House as honest as those who wade the charge.' lie felt that he was himself actuated by principles:As pure; he %%evils! go as far as any mal ii. detectim, and correcti..a the abuses of the es en try, hut th? present mot lie could hot vote for. Mr. ellitt‘.TOPll6ll HIVICiIIX6OIII bald, that the motion of the Noble Lord went fusilier than he expected 'or wished, for he was desirous that It should obtain the most TeSpeChible rapport. With ik regard to what was said as to the general powers with which the Committee was to he entrusted, he was satisfied, under the cirruitesouices, to vote for the :motion of the Noble Lord. Unfortunately he Was of opmson that the system of got eminent sid ed upon for a lua4 while past, wits not such as • would benefit the country by its continuance. Ile ea, desirous that the Noble Lord hull brought fur ward specific charges ;' but from what had already umwarerl—froin what had been proved before the Mouse—the public were anxious and alive to in vestigation ; and lo• whoold consider hinoell . as con tributing greatly to tut injury of the public cause, if lie endeavoured to preveat that scrutiny which was called fur. lie was of opinion that the Noble Lord was prepared with specific charges, but there might tai reasons fur Isis not exhibiting them at that motorist. As to the itemisation that fool been brought against him, of arraigiiing the present Go vernment, it did not hold ; fur he had only moved for inquiry in general. Certainly, if iu the course of that inquiry there appeared grounds for IBC cubing them in particular, the accusation would be made ; but at present there was none. '1 lie object of the Noble Lord was to strike at ribose* in the Goecinnieut, in whatever hands the government might have been placed, and from a wish to prevent the same object, lie would support the motion. Mr. PRIMEVAL said. he had bnt one remark to snake upon the charge tout had been urged against the Noble Lord who •bmught forward the motion : it hurl been objected that there appeared no iip ee iti n grounds to which his motion was directed ; in his opinion, there were three distinct grounds which it ensbraeol. there was the appointiueot the levy. the sole of commissions, and the sae of place*. With the suspicions Oust lie einertained after what lately come to light, he was willing to grant, to the Culuruitte the 'rowers which the Noble Lord required, and even enure extensive ones if they wine neeesority to the farther developeuteut of shines. Mr. Wesson was sorry that he could not agree with his Hots. Friend who had just sat down ; in his view of the motion, lie said that the motion re ferred to three points. hot if lie (Mr. V.) under. stood it right, it went to institute so inquiry Ali out any limitation whatsoever. After what hint alrrndv appeared, ito one could refuse to go inch any case specifically stated, but upon the bare grutosd of general opinion, lie could not tote for tf.e appointineut of u Committee verged waft such exterior* power*. lie 'weed with the Nolde Loirl below him, that it would be nu im proper delegation of disco:64oo.--a discretion to which they were • kited by the people of England. and %Mel,. however highly he might respect the fifteen gentlemen opal' wham the choice might fall. he could not of gisiig out of his owls hands or oat of the bawl* of the House of Co onions. There .were roomy ierints to lie coosidered before they agreed to the appointment of a Committee, which the motion of the Noble Lord did not give them an opportunity of ascertaining: they should consider whether the Charge was of milli:lent mug-. allude; they &wit ! consider itheibq the evidence .