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PARLIAMENTARY INTELLIGENCE. HOUSE OF LORDS. FRIDAY, Aran. 9. • MESSAGE FROM TBR COMMONS. Mr. Breeden and other !daubers from the Commons, brought op sesmal priests Rills, which were read a first time. IRISH FOUR PER CENTS. DILL. - - - - - --- The Ithlt rout per Cents. Mill was read a third time, and raased. SALMON Mil CRY ISOOTLA _ _ ~, The Marquis of LAN:- DOWN gave ootice of his intention to postpone the further consideration of the Unitarian Marriage Bill ull alter the holidays. Adjourned to Monday. HOUSE OF COMMONS, FRIDAY, Aram 9. The Speaker took the Citair at four o'clock. NEGRO SLAVERY. The following petitions were presented against the slave trade—by Mr. 11. stunner, bona Farnham; by Mr. 'frentayne, from Aber gayenny ; by M r . Jones, from Itliltiird ; by Mr. Blackburn, from trot ; and by Mr. Ilyng, front Clerically/ell—all of which were or deity] to lie on the table. USURY LAM'S. Mr. Sorrant ONSIA)W give notice, that soon after the recess he should move for leave to bring in a Bill for the repeal of the Usury Laws. (Laughter.) COMBINATION LAWS. Mr. LAM BTON presented a petition from the artisans of Dar lington, against the Combination Laws. Sistibr fleitlolll were presented from the journeymen printers of Dublin, by Mr. Ellis; and from the journeymen bookbinders of London mid Westminster, by Mr. llobhouie.—Ordered to lie on tl;c table. The Earl ot.ROSEBERItV presented &petition from the free. holdecti of the county of Elgin, praying for an inquiry to be inati. .A. 4 relative to the salmon tial:cry.— Laid on the table. SECRET SOCIETY ACT (IIIEl.AN i)). The Earl of LI3IERICK ;presented a petition from the Free masons of a town in Ireland (the name of which we could not hear), !.rat I.T that they might be exempted from the operations of the beetet tiociety:Act. The Noble Earl thought the prayer uf the pe 'Mon most reasonable; Freemalons' lodges were composed of Pm iestenta and Catholics. and he thought it but fait that they should be free from the operation of the Act in iltiestion. Ile should there :are move that the petition be laid on the table. The Earl of LIVERPOOL did not rise for the rims:" of op- leerig the receipt of the :petition but to remind their Lordships that the attestio• tithe Haase ad been called so the point referred to in the petition entrusted to his Noble Friend, at the time that lag Bill was In prowess through the House. A clause was pro pled by a Noble Duke convected with that par. of the country, the pb4fl of which was to exempt Freemasons from the operation of ti. berm Scciety Act; but he (Lord Idverpool) lad opposed it, because he doubted the loyalty of the Freemasons, whom lie heti, vat to he most exeelleot subjects and hipli;y: reapeetable . per. sons Se a body ' but because he wished to put down sceret societies rot:rely. Ile agreed with the Noble 3lattittis opposite, in the ne erw•ity of putting down %met societies of every duel i:ition. In his yet :ion their Lundships . cbu!d not go too great a lergth in estin pioltieg tonic secret institutions, upon tiro grit riplc *list they ...lain be enablotto say dielaw was universal ; it ttprio3l to l, ; •i c ti e ,. 4.1 Ail chows and denominations, many of which had been mon bl'olo.,l for the best purposes., end had the most tier elieial oi,jects :n view ; hut it made ro exceptions; it bore equally on institutions ronsisting of those woo were loyal as well as others, and it was the universality of the principle that, in his opinion, ought to be at. tended to. _ _ 3 he heel of LIMERICK bad been connected whit Ireland the whole of his life, and had coiriceinently many opporturtilie.s of hovering the Freemasons of that country and their general conduct ; and ne could esteem that they never trusted imbue's! questions ; their only objera in meeting were for charitable purposes and good-te The Marquis of hANSDOWN concurred with the Nolde Earl it the head of his Majesty's licierniment, and at the same time was mire that the body that lwed hero alluded to haul never encouraged, in tot most remcie dime; ewer mischievous desiges and proceed ings. Mit had so kng seemed Ireland ; they had 7.lway% %hewn theutrelees goad Eubja :s ; be thought it was not expecting ton touch from the Freemoseus to forego their rights hot the peixrel geed. ile had heard with pleasure from the Noble Earl opposite, that a system would take place that was mint expedient, and he would say, was more important for Ireland, than all the law in the tvtatute Look ; cbleh et as dr application of the intittence of Go vernmeitt to put down those procoutiens„ which had so long dis eared the country. Ile sect/Hosed one of the most eloquent of Irish statesmen to hare said" That the wing of office over shadowed the •acetroptelie" , The influence of tiovernment Lad been at vet mod all over Ireland, in opposition to the people, who would no: believe the- they were protected until they saw the Ito raiment really sincere in their intentions to protect them. To scf quick item git was distressing to see the influence of flnt er'. ter a men' approil against them ; and the course now about to be advised, be trusted, world operate most benelicially. The Earl of DARNLEY agreed with his Noble Friend as to the wecomity of putting down secret societies ; but he thought the Freemasons might be excepted. Ile hoped that as the Legislature had tilled in putting an end to secret societies, the Noble Earl and Ida colleagues would use the influence of llovernment for the pur ls's., and so put an end to processions altogether. The petition was then laid on the table. BURIALS IN IRELAND DILL. Loral presenicaTp;tltic;ii from Protestant Union, praying that the Bunahi in Ireland Bill might not pass into a law. Lord KING said, that It would be seen from this petition that the Catholics of Ireland were not the only petitioners against the .CilL—The petition was laid on the table. The Earl of LIVERPOOL moved the third reading of the Burials in Ireland Bill. The Earl of DARNLEY wished a clause to be introduced to permit burials to take place without the necessity of the performance of the Church of England burial service, should the friends of the deemed wish it. Al present, according to the law as it stood, elegymen were compelled to read that service. The Earl of HARROWB% moved a dame, by way of rider, to meet the views of the Noble Earl (Darnley) 'The Hill was then read a third time and passed. ADMINISTRATION OF JUSIICE IN NEW YOU NDLA ND. ..... Earl BATHURST stated, that he held in his hand the draft of -a 041 for the better administration of justice in Newfonnilland; be should move that it be then read a lint time; and be read a second URIC on Tuesday next, ale he would explain the objects of it to %bete Lordships. The Pill was then read a first time. The Earl of DAR NLEY wished the s,:eoud reading to be post poned PR after the holidays. Earl BATHURST was desirous for the second reading to take place before the recess ; he should of course not press for its gong into a Committee until the House met after the holidays. UNITARIAN MARRIAGE BILL LAW OF LIBEL. ...... . Mr. 110B11013SE presixited a petit ion from the inhabitants of Westminster, praying for an investigation into the law of libel. The Honourable Alember stated that the chief ground of their complaint was as to tile manner in which Mr. K. Butt, who had been convicted of 'libel, had been treated. They complained also, Mat by the present law a man might be h e ld t o bail on the affidavit of at it:6ollas' who chose to charge hint with libel; and this /ay wa s chieey founded on an Act wh ic h th e !l ou s e would mutely bilker had passed through it in the year 184tH. as an amendment at it, Bert:ate lass; it was commonly called the Indictment Act; but what it had to do with revenue laws he was at a loss to discover. Since the passing of this Act more than 500 individuals had been tried under it, not one third of whom had been convicted ; it was like many other laws in the litatute-book, of an extremely tuischiev 'nun nature, and subversive of the liberties of the subject; and he Loped in a short time to see it erased from the Statute-beak. petition was then laid on the table. EXCISE LICENCES. Mr. CURWEN prtsented a peution from Putrid', against the excise bccotes.—Laid on the table. ASSESSED TAXES. Mr. al' N(3 presented a petition front tletkenwell, praying for the repeal of the asserted taxes.--Ortlered to he on the table. lIIDES AND SKINS. Mr. ELLISON presented a petition from the tanners and cur riers of Nt.rhumb.sland, fur the repeal of the duties on hides and sl.ins.-I..t'd on the table. ATTORNEY'S TAX. Mr. GRANT presented a petition front the attomevs of Ranh', praying fur the repeal of the attorney's tax.—Laid on tl:e table. FREEMASONS IN IRELAND. - • lir. PRENDERGAST prese nteda pet itio , ;froi the Freemasons of Connaught, praying to be put on the same rooting as English Fris.4.issons..—Lnitl on the 'Able. AGItIeIibTURAI. 11‘)ItSES. M.-. I tENIS‘ tN presented a petition from the market-garden es* about Batter, a, staticg that three years ago the repeal of the duties to: the agricultural horses took place, but that they, the p e _ titionsrs. *lre not included, and the tax on horses continued to L., Iturind to. them in au oppressive manner; they therefore prayed that the rep..*l of that tax might be extended to them, their horses ben* used as pltunzli-horsen. lost A ItTllolt said a few words. ....... _ 7 1 : 11;Cl lANCEItIa tit of the !Al:NE(161:R said, that if the petition had bean presented to the Trnsury it might have under gone a sr.iisfoctory investigation, na g if it appeared that hones were partly employed in agricultural purposes, they were exempt from the tax, by the .1(1 of last year. Alter some words from Mr, Ellis, Mr. Bright, and Mr. Curren, the petition was laid on the table. hl. 6. lIENNET presented a petition from Wm. Harrison, a Monti focruar or kid gloves in imitation of the French. lie was clio:ged with having smuggled the glove' which hr had manufac torast, on which an Exchequer process issued, and he had been, io consequence. nearly ruined; the whole of the stock having been centiemord. 'Pule persons who cut out the gloves, and made them, were ready to swear to the facts. The Hon. Member wished to know vduit 'area u. could be made to the petitioner under these circuntstanem ? The CII.INI EI.LOR of the EXCIIEQUER was entirely ignorant of ...it: t'ut• ,tared in the 'petition, as they had not been *fare the 7'rta.•ury r:i•tce he had belonged to it. /lc was no friend to prohibi• :one, end be iptabdita to move for the repeal of that on French glove!. ; tot he would reed the petition, and sce what relief (void he afro' •' ,1:Y wished to know, if the tees paid to Juries homer bad undergone any alteration • as the to give a fee of two guini to the Jurors if INCL. ND. Sir 11. PAlt NELL derired t:.l;!..iw if it were the intention Of the Right lion. Secreti:ry for Ireland to reLes the Insurrection Act this year, or to avant n select tee o.i the F.taie of Ireland. Mr. liN replied, ti.st he was then on the eve of his deparnire for Ireland. and on hi. return rould be be ter able than at pre.eni to rirrly to the questions proposed by the lion. Member. Mr. (Tint EN meted for certain returns relative to the quantity of salt used for agiculturvl i.urpones during the years 1823 and 1821. Mr. I,EITESTER. in supporting the milder, expressed a hope that the remaining part of the salt tan would he repealed, in conformity to the promise made by the Chancellor of the Exile- quer. DI 7 TV ON RUM. . . Mr. G. ELLIS presented a petition from Mr. George Francis, of Whitechapel-tord, a rectifying distiller. The petitioner prayed for permission to convert rum into British spirits. Whilst the present high duty was continued on ruin, and ,hut on spirits roxitufactured in this country was reduced en the low rate of two shillings, it vas in vain to hope for the antelioration of the present condition of the West India interests. The effect of this high euty was to withdraw the consumption of this article almost totally from s.titland and Ireland, and in a very great degree from Erg. land. Indeed dare was s greater quantity of rum in merchants' stocks than there was any hope of demand for. It was not to lie expeord that whilst st irks natlil be lammed at a rate of from five to six shill:ngs a gallon. persons would be disposed to pay for ruin ilic large vac? at which it we.s now prcottable. The pr rtial reduction pmposed by the l'hancellor of the Exchequer would rot be available to any substantial relief. Ile hoped the House would attend to the prayer of the talkie:Tv, which "multi give material aid to the Wcet India interests, and would interfere with none but toe already overlrenwn profas of ;be Et rl bh Mr. HUME said that it was the duty of the Chancellor of the Ex.retpea not to attend to the separate interests of the panics • hoot an acquiescence to the prayer of this petition might alliat, but to the general interests of all whom it may concern. T. chew how the present high duty 111.011 rum operated, he would ad vert to the great talling-off that had trken place in the compara tive consumption of this article. taking the relative consumption of two years a., the standard of conniabwel- In Itigland the consumption had been, in one year 3.600.008 gallons. and last rear it did not exceed 2,100,084/. In Si"tland, from 346,008 to Vilt,000; and in Ireland the filling off had been so great as from 1,04/0,800 to 7,11e0. From the reduced duty on spirits manufac tured at home, a gallon couhl be procund at five shinny", whilst a gallon of rum with t h e pr . sent duty varied from thirteen to four. teen and fifteen shillings. This snout ant to an aboolitte denial of a fair market and natural rent for West India rum ; fur with such a disparity in the duty, it was only natural to expec t . that the con sunptilan should exclusively confined to home sp irits. . . Mr. L. FOSTER said, thai the rompmison instituted by the Honourable . Member—that which he drew between the relative consumption of two years-Aid not proceed on a perfectly -fair statement. The Honourable Member did not take two succoisive years, but two between which there was an interval of fifteen years. rhe reason that in the former of these yews the consumption of rum amounted to one million of gallons vas, that in that year, in consequence of an apprehended scarcity, distillation from grain was discontinued. This explained the cause of variation in consump tion as r.gtmled Ireland. Ile would leave those Gentlemen con nected with England and Scotland to explain the causes which re spectively affected those countries in a similar way. (Hear.) Mr. !WAIN explained. Mr. BRIGHT considered the imposition of the present high duty oa rum as at variance with the Iwinciples of free trade which hod been so much vaunted. If the present system with respect to this duty were continued, it would have the effect of destroying the consumption of this &nickel together. '1 lie duty upon rum was as high as a thousand per cent. With the present cheap rate of spi rits it was impossible it could compete with it. He was favour able to any measure which would have a tendency to procure a mar ket for tile Went India rum, and therefore was favourable to the permission to rectifying distillers to convert it into British spirits. Mr. E. ELLII'E expressed his intention of opposirg the bring. ing up of the report, if a greater reduction was not proposed is this duty. The reduction of le. Id. was totally insufacient for any purpose of practical benefit. Ile complained that those engaged in the West India trade were not sufficiently attentive to their interests. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQIYER was not pre. pry(' at that moment to enter into a discussion for which opportu. tutees would offer on the bringing up of the report, and on future stages of the Rill which related to the subject of this duty. The coacession which had been made, though not a very large one, was considered by those in the trade whom it mast concerned, as a great bandit and relief. They would probably require a still _greater con cession ; but that was the ease with all persons sho looked for con. cessions. They always coveted something more than they got, and he did not expect to be more fortunate with the persons with whom he had consulted on the subject of this duty. Thus they had even gone further than he did ; for he only spoke of the reduction as a good principle to proceed upon ; whereas they admitted it to be a substantial benefit and concession. The case was one of great difficulty, and in which they should proceed with the utmost coolness and circumspection. He was desirous of seeing the result of what had been already done, before he would countenance the adoption of new measures, in a ease where errors might be fatally injurious to the very interests they were anxious to serve. It had been said that the West India merchants hail hc,n inattentive to their affairs ; if an, that was their affair, not Iris ; he felt that he had not been wanting in that regard and attention to them which his situation and their importance required. (Har.) Mr. Is. It. ELLIS appmved of the course re.ented by his Right Honourable Friend (the Chancellor of the Exchequer). In his opinion his Right Honourable Friend was disposed to act on sound principles for the promotion of the West India interests. After a few words from Mr. Itenstat. and Mr. G. ELLIfs, the petition wan ordered to lie on the table, and to be prnactl. Sir G. CLERK presented a petition from the candle-makers of Edinburgh, against the duty on candles. CO3l lIINATION LAWS. I. Mr. If I'M presented a petition from the shoemakers of Bury, an l.aneshir•, against the combination laws. The petitioners stated reveral instances of members of their fmternity having been act:. tcnced hi the tread-mill for a hr,•aeh of these law.; hut he was not prepared to say whether their committal took place for conspiracy only, cr far actual assault. lie vcsiented a similar petition front three pscsuns wirn had been imprisoned under the same laws, one of wh.ou had been sentenced to an impris”nment of eighteen wombs. The lion. Member presented a third Petition to the rame of xt, from certain artisans of lite:amid' and Deptford.—lleferred to the Committee of Anisans. Ir. TI EH N EV l ;t4en ....-- ILiTa petition from the weavers of Knares borouvh, against the combination laws. Lord A LTllfitt moved for a return of all sums advanced during the last year, by the several grand juries of Ireland, on grand jury presentments, distinguishing the sums sev..rally advanced under the Constabulary Au, the Peace-pretervation Act, the Yo. lice Act, &r. t! they pre a verdict for the Crown's if not, they mil) received a proceedings were a great measure sunsended for a time by their guinea. i opposition. Ilia Wert was, to give educnitton to the. , willing to Mr. PEEL said, that nn such practice as that alluded to ex- receive it in the least objeetiorahle shape. /le was satistied that no kited now. it had been altered. I mmicy could be better bestow, d titan in educating the Irish people. Aklman SMITH end Mr. Haste said a few words. and raising them to a condition more lined for the enjoyment of The petition was then Isid on the table. i their rights. and the di , eharge of their theirs. t/n the motion that it should be printed, Mr. BERRIES op.: Mr. ISUI'TERIVORTII said. the lion. itlember for Aberdeen posed it, as containing charges against the Commissioners of the was mistaken. No such controversy had taken Tigre us be had Customs, which were groundless. it was (Mil , ", to the conduct lotted respecting the circulation of o w . scriptures. With respect to of the petitioner himself that the guods load been condeninal, the question before the !louse, be OF Butterworth) was decidedly and the trial was a most impartial one. conrwiced that it would be mischievous to give the people of Ireland NEW St/I - 11l WA EFS. ;my hot a Scriptural CdUlllflllll. Kr.owledge. without morals.. could Mr. BENNET moved for a return of the quantity of dollars be only productive of evil. The petition of the Catholic Itiallops imported into New South Wales, in the years Int- its:*!, sod he considered a reflection on t'i.ristianity and the word of Cod. 111:2 ; with the amount at which they wire purchased by (invent. (Ilear.) Ile would repeat that it was a grout libel on the sold of meet, and the price at which they were paid in the Colony. Ile God. (Bear, hear.) moved Mr tilts return, as he had untlers•ood that these doll-rs were I The resolution was then agreed to. issued by the s. Coectntr.tut at tour shillings, but that they /n the next resolution— would consent to receive then, hark at three abillings. This vari• I Mr. 111751 E rose to explain. The Catholic clergy wer e not de anon in value was atter.deti, necessarily, with the titmost inconve. shuns that the people should he quested without relig ion. But nie ace, and a hich he hoped sonic means and resolutions would be they were of opinion that the unrestricted perusal of the Bible night adopted to correct. I induce the uninformed laity to imbibe opinions highly . injurious to Ihe CIIANt:ELIABI of the EN CIIEQU ER admitted that ! them, unless it was aecompanictl by proper coninientarics. great inconvenience must nereasarily arise from sneh it state of cur-! Mr. G. BENNET said it was quite unjustifiable to cast such rency as had been adverted to by the lion. Member. Ile begged to' reflections on the Catholic Bishops as the lion. Member for I/ over inform the hose that measures were in progre •s to prevent the in- ; bad. equalities at present prevailing in this stitch:la of coot, and he flat- i Mr. B'ETTERAVORTII disclaimed all intention of throwing tcred himself tliat the result would he satisfactory. (Bear, hear.) j any aspersions on the conduct of the Catholic Clergy ; but the Mr. A ItERCIIOM BY preset.ted a petitior. from the inhabitants importance of Scriptural education was unquestionable. A cons of Caine araihst slavery. 1 ertrative view of the morals of the lower orders in Catholic and Ptotestant States would at cnce prove the fact. Mr. MONIIi said, that neither the Catholic nor the Protestant Bishops objected to Scriptural education, according_ to their re spective °piranha of what constituted it. h was well known that some of the English Clergy had ribbed to have the Bible circu lated onli with the l'aterhuan. laird A LTHORP asked, when the papers he had moved for at the commencement of the Session would be ready for delivery? Three weeks ago he was told they were on the point of being produced. Mr. 110C1,1SURN stated. that the rapers were in such a shape as required them to be remodelled, and that had caused the delay. WESTM I NST Ell ABBEY. hi the Resolution for granting 53,090(. to purchase Mr. Anger stein'e collection of paintings, Mr. HUAIE, having referred to a statement of the President of the Board of l'ontrol, that he recollected when the &drills j sleet to iVestminster Abbey was very easy, and of scarcely any I expense, wished to know whether any illumine had been taken to cretin the public the right of seeing the mono mints in Westminster Abbey, which had been erected at a great expense to the public, and were conaequent!y the property of the public- Ile understood that some negociation had been pending on the subject, and he wished to know the result. It was mate. vial, tow that the public were going to give a large sum of money tor the purchase of pictures for the fonnatior, of a national gal !env, to ascertain how they were denied the sight of the monis nients they had raised to the memory of eminent individuals who had served their country. If an abuse had crept in by which some had assumed the right of selling to others the perquisite of admit tirg the public, it should be inquired into. In every part of the country aspersions were cast on the Dean and e'llapter of West. minster, on account of this tax on public airioxity ; and he con ceived therefore it was the duty of his Majesty's Ministers to avail themselves of thin opportunity of ascertaining whether there was kr y prospect of relief e An Honourable MEMBER, a hose name we could not learn, suggested, that, as it was desirable the gallery of pictures should be in a central situation, and as the lease of Marlborough House would expire in four or five years, that should be chosen. The site and gardens were admirably adapted for the purpose. Ile trusted, therefore, that no renewal of the lease would be granted without consideration. Mr. W. %V YNN said, he certainly remembered when but a snatll number of monuments were excluded from the public, and they might Le seen foe sixpence. Now every part of the Abbey as closed, and the price of exhibition was two shillings, lie was not aware of any moms of redress, though he regretted the exclu sion of the public- The Ikan an d Chapter had a right to exclude if they pleased to exercise it, and the Executive Government had no power to interfere. Mr. BANKES aside a few observations, inaudible in the ll gaery. Sir J. WROTTESLEY stated, that formerly Poets' Corner was open to the public, and a passage was allowed across the church, which formed a material convenience to the inhabitants Westminster. They were now obliged to make a considerable circuit round the Abbey. Formerly the whole space between the organ and the west door and the north aisle were open. The only part closed was King Henry the Seventh's Chapel, and six pence only was charged for that. The other day he went into the Abbey for the purpose of making a passage through it. Ile was met by the verger as soon as be entered, and told lie must pay two shillings to see the Abbey. lie asked if he might not go into the church, and under that pretence went towards the choir. He then walked about, and endeavoured to make hie way out at Poet's. corner; but the verger told hint that as his object was evident, he should go out by the same door br which he had conic in. (A laugh.) These charges were a series of paltry and scandalous extortions (Hear, hear.) lie was not inclined to use severe Epithets, but this was a case that deserved the hardest. This noble and ma,gnitieent building, the pride and boast of the country, was let out to show men, in order to make a trifling addition to the income of the Dean and Chapter. When large sums were again to be invested in the hands of the clergy, it was important to inquire how they had con ducted themselves hitherto as to the trusts reposed in their hauds. Mr. G. BENNET asked whether it was not possible to remove the monuments out of the Aobey ? It wculd be a fit subject of en quiry for a committee, in order that the monuments might be re moved from the power of a scandalous set of money-dealers, and placed somewhere within the view of the public at large. Mr. AIONCK had some doubt whether the Dean and Chapter had a right to keep the doors of the church shut against the public. Before the Reformation the churches were open to all who chose to resort there for purposes of devotion or curiosity. He trusted the scandalous distinction between this country and the Continent as to these matters would soon be &toilettes". An Honourable MEMBER whom we did not know, observed, in defence of the Dean and Chapter, that in proportion as the attention of the public had been drawn to the monuments in the Abbey, an expense had been created to watch the visitors, and prevent muti lation. The resolution was then agreed to. TURKEY COMPANY. On the resolution respecting the allowances to Consuls and Vice- Consuls abroad, Mr. II UII E said, that as Government were about to put the system of our Consuls abroad on a proper footing, he hoped their attention had been turned to the conduct of the Turkey Company. Ile was aware it was a delicate question to interfere with chartered right., but if evils arose to the commerce of the country, there could be no doubt that the system should be changed. The Turkey Company enjoyed the right of appointing the Consuls within the limits of their trade, sod no merchant could obtain redrew; from Government for any wrung he might suffer. His only course was , to pet7lion the Turkey Company. So enormous wire the charges of the Consuls of this Company, that their fees alone amounted to more than the whole freight and expenses of an American vessel. The consequence was, that the Americans were dislodging our trade up the Mediterranean. Mr. Secretary CANNING said, there was unquestionably an anomaly arising from the power of the Turkey Company. The attention of Government had been turned to it, and they were fully sensilde of the propriety of extending to COIIMICITe, in every di rection, tl:e same kind of protection. The resolution was then &geed to. CHURCH BUILDING. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER then moved that I the House should resolve itself into a Committee on the Church Building Acts. Mr. HOBIIOUSF, begged to know whether the forms of the House would allow him to move the Resolutions of which he had given notice in the Committee. The CIIANt'EI.IiOR of the EXCHEQUER said, he knew not as to the Ihm. Demleman's Resolutions ; he knew that his own could only be moved in the l'cornittee. The Speaker then left the Chair, and the !louse resolved itself into Contst l i tttttt The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, he should not hare thought it necessary to have troubled the House with many observations on this subject, bad thine not been some remarks made at the time he first acquainted the House with his lotto - aim. in propose to Parliament a grant fur the purpose of littiltlieg additional churches. lie contested that he was a gnoil deal surprised ut the opposition manifested to th a t m ot i on , and more at the reasons assigned for the opposition. lie had not expected, indeed, that those who dissented from the doctrines and Msripline ot the Church of England would be very anxious to pronmte a proposition of this kind ; but he had no idea that it would have been textixl even by those who dissented from the chervil, that there W..% any their g objectionable in principle to ask these to etimilinte so far to the notional establishment an to provide titatm,, stirmosi: g the fleet • sity trade out, to enable the tricot. 1,, r., Cie ; hit rch ttiattt TI ligion, service. lie lotd thought that ; a/ nLe r ot, Citrintianity have consideri d a proposition ti, itotn Sr the t'iseliility of tlat e liLtl, at present, no means of ere Santee, a propmition not only not objectionable, gist,: et intell. It lied rim mitred into his iniagi. ;••,, .to waehl have renre,ei led a proposal for building :pi' t :to ~fir., . a. approa; almont to - blasitheaty I ~-.) ;11. 4 . (Lee were eoulats in I.4;:ti minds an to thr tali. ; nay. lie would not mithriake to define it then, ran the first time that he had he,ad t!t.tt to give titc means if e'otiling rebotons worship was biasplit , Letin. Meat% hear.) Ile was aware Met this charge sea accompanied with a rem ar k. elm certain twit s ought to Weep:AM, instecil of this appropriation tht tr p endue,. It eight have been said lie was inconsts.mit in wtf:i.ri-g the grievultre to retrain, slide lie proposetl the erection of new ehttr; :he e tight even ha% e been called I. porritical in taking I het (nurse, but it 'passed hi, humble understanding how he ean t lii b e e it ; ,ig,ii with lift•phenty. Ilin nit ration was. haring MO Ob. .liela which he ~hncld ieltet. The first sus to tacilitate cot nil:ohs- on religions rtot,hip ; the it.ottind to remove a particular , grievaiti,... I : e preferred the hit ;yr because a posit:re goof! was gained, while the pie. , tire of the tax init.:lit he removed at ;mother period. ' If i f, 1 , 01 o •i t i on state d Vtie true , i t wou ld go to d o away all est - hbnitca to:tun:Kn. And if it were ill he lad down that (Dissenters' were not to support it, pin must go the eat( nt to which lie allotted. In fact, the lit inciple would go Ill.:Ai:1.4 ai public grants, inasmuch en e v e ry s p a itic intu v ie ata l was not Ittti,eliced by the general outlay olsimmy. renlica m the f.11i.)14.4 of Pissente;,, he jutl;;,il of them es he did by himself. The I Intro. voteil every year a sum, though small, for the education of the Irish Priestletna ant! of the Olisenters, but nobody ever of jetted to either, because all the community had rot teCCITCCI P! direct benefit from the rate.. When he called fox a vote of NINA/ last year for chinches iu po;;,, :el 0,11 Scotland, no n'Jjes•iiton was made to it; on the contrary, it tees re. ceived with *Hsu: e. So far then the principle was the same. lie admitted, however, elat there slinteal be a necessity for calling oo the liou, to incur do. t xpense— Mr. Ii0111110C4E—" To find some mode." The CI i ANCEELOR of the iiXt*IIF.QIY ER knew of no mode beyond some ass:at:wee tram the politic purse. It appeared that a', great nember of persons were without the means of attending the church warship. Many of them, it was said, were lOineenters; and that others, from age mad infirmity, model not and could not attend : but it appeared that in one marlin quarter there was not room in the churches for mire titan one out ea. every seven; and that was a state of things which should not he allowed to exist. The immense accumulation of population outstripped all possible means foe the parish to accommodate suet a mass of people, many of whom were poor, and it would be unfair to have them without the fair chance of moral instruction. Parliament was bound to attend to their in terests. In lat es where churches were built, the people flocked to them, and derived there every comffirt and consolation. A Chris. tian Parliament would neglect their duty if the moral insteuction of the people were not carefully provided for; they were charged with the interests oldie poor, and they should attend to them. That was his object, and the object of those with whom he had the honour of acting. l'runi what had been done, added to that which lie now proposed, the most sanguine hopes might be entertained of its 'Am ens. Ile did hot mean to say this grant would complete his object; but it would do essential good, and that was all that could be ex pected at the present. It appeared that the million already granted exceeded what was expected from it, and in place of iffi churches and 140,000 people ac • modated, the churches were nit, and ac commodation for 13:401.10 persons. A great deal has been done in aid of that million by Protestant professors, and no less than 2011,000 L was sub.icribed, which necessarily increased the accom i modation for the public. Whether the sum expended was one million, or one million and the 200,0018. of private sub scription, the principle was the same; it was one of charity and good-will, and chewed that the professors of Protestamisoi were anxious to provide places of worship for themselves, es well as their poorer neighbours. It was therefore unjust to charge the professors of Protestantism with supineness towardst he interests of the church. It was said that many ! fine churches were built, which very few contend ; but that again he thought a most unjust charge. The service of those churches was attended by crowds, even to overflowing, and if more churches were built, the overflow would increase, lie had &statement in his hand from Blackburn, in Isneashire, where the people were poor, and were they on that account to be denied the means of enabling them to attend the service of the church ? in the new church at Blackburn, more than one-half the pews were set, and he tuintitted that free seats should, as much as possible, be provided ; but still he thought the letting pews wait a very legitimate means of support to the clergyman. There were three services melay aerformed, and all very respect ably attended. In Trinity Chapel, Bath, the new church was also well attended ; at Glamorgan, in Wales, the same was to be said. At Binningbain, and in other places, the congregations were numerous, and this statement concluded by saying, that when the service was well performed, and the beats free, there would be found no want of full congoegations. (Hair, hear.) In Nouitigham, the report stated that the free seats in St. Paul's were taken by storm, and always well attended. In Portsea, in Chatham, persons crowded to the new churches before the doors were opened, and many never before seen at a place of worship were sewn at these churches. So much for the charge, that no persons frequented these churches: and who would say that money thus expended was not well bestowed ? (lieu, hear.) The people did cure for the church, and would attend public worship wherever the opportunity of doing so was afford..d to them, as in the cases be had just mentioned. l'he church of llransgrove (situated in a neigh bourhood tilled with poachers and smugglers), was attended with the happiest effects, owing to the great exertions of a pious clergy man and his amiable wife. Many of' those persons now regularly frequented the church, and had improved in their lives and morals, in consequence of the erection of new churches. Instances if this kind need not been m u ltiplied; those already stated were the best proof of the great advantage resulting from the former grant of Par. liament. Another grant would extend the blessings and benefits of religion to the people, and • liberal, much less a Christian Puha ment, would not treat the question as one of mere pounds, shillings, and pence. Let it be recollected that those grants assisted the Este blndied Church, besides producing the annforts of religion.—the only solid comforts which well regulated minds could find in this world. Much was already done by private individuals, and he expected more, and therefore he only proposed the vote of aOO,OOOl. at present. He only asked Parliament to contribute something to an object of importance to the well-being of the State, and he en. tertained not the slightest doubt that Parliament would give their sanction to this grant, called for a legitimate pat and which would be fairly expended. The Right lion. tpme Gentleman then moved, that Exchequer Bills to the amount of 500,000 L should be issued to the Commissioners thr building churches under the regu lations now existing, and which may be further framed on this subject. Mr. lIOIIIIOI'SE observed that he was fully aware of the im portance of the subject, and if a necessity for building churches were made out he should be the last man to oppose it. He stood there as the representative .4 Westminster, and lie knew that in op posing this grant he consulted their feelings anti their interests. The Right lion. Gentleman seemed to think we were very rich ; he seemed not to know what to do with the public money ; but if he looked at the petitions on the table be could find what the people generally stated to he their wants. His subject was one of great delicacy ; and wishing to guard himself against niisinteroretation, he should follow the 'tight lion. Gentleman. Without public grants, he thought the church, highly beneficed as it was, could provide for the graduel building of chtuches. As to the grant for Scotch churches, it was wholly beside the present question. In Scotland the Presbyterians provided churches for themselves, and they had no endowments. In this country the case was different; and he asked was there a single petition for new churches ? Not one ; and would it then be said that there was any deficiency of reli gious feeling ? On the contrary he believed it was on the increase, but not since 11117, nut since the commencement of the revolutionary war in France; all that happened without any call for new churches. Since 1817 he found there were 13 applications for new churches; but that was natural enough, for let it only be known that tl.e Government had money to expend, and many applications would be made for it. He believed that there were some places in which there was a deli ciesey of churches, and in those places let the deficit be supplied It was stated the other evening, that no less than 133,000 persons wetewithout means of being accommodated, and he had taken sonic pains to inform himself on the subject, and he found that such a statement was a very great exaggeration. Many of the churches, lie knew, were thronged ; and in St. James's, he was informed, that a person must apply seven years beforehand in order to get a pew. St. George's, Hanover-square, was also filled ; but then there were six chapels of ease, one of which he had lately entered ; but lie would not then name it, lest its Character might be injured. He did not think the want of religious acanuniadation was at all as great as was stated in the papers before the House; and for the few churches that were affirmed to be full, there were niany not full, and in which accommodation was to be found. Ile could, front his own observation, give the Committee three cases: the first was St. George's ('hapel, Westminster. Ile would mention these in stances to show the error of the Right lion. Gentleman, who bad slid the grant was founded upon necessity, as there was no religious accommodation. He certainly took his example% from Berkshire and remote districts for this. He argued front those places upon which he could, from his own experience, rely. He would next mention the parish of St. Ann, ‘t'eatruinster. It was alleged by the documents upon the table, that the deficiency of religious ac commodation bete extended to fourteen thousand persons: this was, strictly speaking, an exaggeration • there were no chapels of case in the parish, ant there were 1,400 houses ; there was always plenty of room in the climates ; and, as he was informed, there was no complaint whatever of the wart of religious educa tion and that was not • tact which was stated by the papers sub_ mitred to the II ouse. He nt at made an inquiry into the state of St. Janies'a, Westminster. The deficiency of religious acannium elation extended in this parish to 26,3110. In this chapel there was also room for many more than attended ; there was a new chapel built in the parish, that of St. Phillip—this was not full, lie' found, on inquiry, there were several chapels of ease. He next in geared into the state of St. Martin-in-the. Fields. The deficiency of religious accommodation extended in this parish, according to the papers before the House to 23,7;.0 persons. Acalinmodation in this church was most tally had ; there was not the least difficulty. In the parish of St. Margaret, the deficiency was said to reach to 20,869. This church was not full. Here were three cases which he himself could answer for. There was also another church (we did not catch the name), in which the deficiency was said to reach to 11,8tV persons. This church was not full, 'and when a sermon was to be preached in it, for the purpose of bringing a crowd, it was far from being tilled. lie was informed there were place* for more than lOU, and no difficulty in getting room. lie had thus shown there was no complaint of accommodation in the six parishes of Westminster. 'There was no deficiency in the parishes of St. Paul's, or of St. Clement. There was another point to which he begged the attcmion of the Coniniittee ' when this subject was to be con ! aidered : the wait or acconimodation was found to exist in the parishes where the great and popular preachers were • it was cum_ 1 laine!' of principally in the parasite? of St. James and St. George, but this complaint was equally applicable to the dissenting chapels, where popular preachers were heard ; as, for instance, in the flit.- , !renting chapel of St. Stephen, It'esminetcw. In this chapd, and some others, no mat was to he had ; but we ought not for this ! reason, build chapels far the dissenters ; we ought not to do so ; it was our duty to support the established church. The application would therefore Le as reasonable from the dissenters , of Vresttilinstre, as from the membets of the established church. I lie would never consent to vote money to obtain room for the dis senters, as they would most as• erectly tart vote it to procure room for us, Flom all he could learn upon the subject, and he had made many inquiriea, lie was convinecd there was tic deficiency of attention to church service. lie Itail net made his inquiries from his particular friends ; this would cat be tzar; he had applied to strangers, and to persons of a d palliest descriptions ; and he leamed groins them that every chow of persons, every respectable ahopkeeper, took his fsmily to church every sunday; that lie would, in fart, bo disgraced and ;mimed at if he did rot do so. ( Hear.) He therefirre felt hintaelf a strudel in the assertion, that the want of religious accommodation was not ...eh, sit least as far as the city of IVc stminster, which he had the bonier to reprera nt, was con cerned. Ile would now rot ice one assertion of the !light Honour able Gertleman : he said he %ea• him sufficiently sanguine to do all the good, but w e ought to do all the good in our power ; and it es d say , doought a l p , I the 'll ' to e 'lli in i' b e ra i n e c hnil s :ih i so r : lLe : u t i t : t bar :t i uk":l.:.depeihrceni expenditure a, g ' sil l !,.ul.tfhe:rtierl d istant:...ijol I nir o: 1 r i ch ! dt cl h i s w ea .tt lawir i i ‘n :r a Ec t i• t to l: i i i v b: ce: gr o ut i t , vol u nt a ry e l , ;r jot y i b f w ii iluonldne bu t he nuo c f l e wgen ta ken din the i:lt it l f , - I :l7l le i l i c. rci t i tad, i h e e n ti.: w i m i: i ine i n i dt n eh u hie t r ; a l tat write% The churches hitherto Kilt gave accommodation to but 153,0110, and yet these churches cost ate million. The sum of halt a million required at present, would tallied accommodation but to 77,0ffil persons, and yet it was rooked and stated by the doer. could by athwart!, Sir :k I. tti . It II)1.1 •in the Court of lixch practice lied been to SUPPI.I7- 7 EDITCATION IN IRELAND. On the nuttion of the VII A NCEI.I.IIII or the EXCHEQUER, IIItOGDEN brought up the report of aapply. On the It:solution for grunting 22,0001. for educating the poor in Ireland, -- ''' 1. 7 :111: rose to protest against the system of education fol. lowed by the Kildare-street Association. The money voted by Pat'torment for tato:ming the Catholic poor ought not to be en trusted to the disposal of a society who ite:in!ed on compelling them to LIM the :scriptures. The Catholic children ought to have the benefit of a system of education free from the los judieta that ex isted agzinst the 111101 C 1111r.0101 by the Kildare-stiect Association. Ile It;:t already waled the ori, iaiv of two Catholic Bishops r h %MC 011 , 1iSeti to that systt-to Ile was now in possession th • I opt. ions of six or seven who all expre,szo t!:.ir m.xiety to see the perio!c ...hr•at.si. hut not on the priiiripl.s (-: l:•'• lidelare-street Assomtion. the tor Tree, the Catholic shop of Dublin. kel inlaitted that edut'ation w:.:4 among :Ix I;-.t wants of tho Irish Ilopk boa he filth:cud to the intlisc 1. urinate circulation of the s.•F;l•to:cs amangst term. Dlco.r 3lerray. itt.other Catholic B:shea, pho st::te.l, that to fore, the /tilde as a schnol.book into the hands of children was a coi.dition to which the Catholics could solo oit. The sane opiticm were expressed by Drs. Mile, Corri:iter. and Curds. Th?y all t; , . rroverl cf the spr.ail of education, but not that it should he made the instrument of party or prostlyt him. The Bon. and I.e.trret: Gentleman (Mr. North) had mlts tided that a Fri-littoral islurati.ri was essential to the welfare of the Irish pistple. There uas no objection on the part of the Catholics to the circulation of the rip. tures tinder what they conedvril to be proper restriet:ttns. It' n Scriptural education was the only object, why eppose the it tred tion of the Bible with or without note or co:on:eat ? In tilts country, a tew years ago. there Was a strung contest as to the dont ' 136011 of the Scriptures without notes. Ilall the dei:y had tell sett to support the education societies, bsvausc they wish, II to intrealocc the scriptures without note or continent. As he had Leen a mutt. her of the committee of the British Society for five ) ears, be could :peak from his own experience of the clillicolty of clruit.ing support from the clergy on dirt account. The British Society prutessed only to teach its scholars to read and write. leasing the clergy rdt.:r. wards to instruct than,in reliviott. The Quakers were site ! p.ll supporters of that society; and those who Lime them were aware tlwt they would nut sanction hand.:: den improper descrip.' thin ; yet, so great was the opposition of the I ligh Tory r a:ty to the system of' education framed by the Bitid' Secimy, that its ne no. laid unon the tab: that there wart 0 ore than three rniVicre twenty-fiur thousand persons who wore still in want of religenis accememetation ; and tiic nnu r.ouireil tor this purpose according, t. , the rate oil:trio, d to the House, amount to the sent of twenty millions ..t e (trey. This wan the su n; which the Eight 1 loneteinehle (Semi:man said would net be asked for at met, but the Parliament would be tolled up to grant it liy decrees. It shoold Le recollected that th e part of the population sueplied anti religious aeconiniodation ran not the one-third or ore -notrile of the entire. This wan certainly the c.ese. The number of peronts wanting rel•gious acrammodi. Bon was stated by the returns :o be 3,082.2411, and if this wes such a crying; want, it would be cruel—it would be impossible to leave such a number of peesora in went of this accommodation. The necessity of thus acting would be greater and greater. If Fuck a number of persons were in want of religious education, we must give them n.oney. We could not suffer them to wander about tho country in want of this accommodation. If the rumher of persons already mentioned required such a auto, the whole population could be in want of CO.OMl,fditil.; and thus the country would be embarked in an expenditure of money to which the representatives of the country could not consent. The preventing of such an ex. penditure would therefore, in his opinion, be a matter of vital, of primary, of essential necessity. Ile therefore objected to the prit. dole acted upon by the Right Ilonottrable Gentleman, of asking for a supply for the whole population, because the million granted would accommodate comparatively but a mall pro. portion, and the additional sum would serve but 77.n00. lie could, if he were be allowed, point out a remedy, and he did n ee see how any objection could be made to it. lie would have doteole service said in the churches—(hear)-if necessary, he wo u ld h as , treble service performed. (lieu.) it was unnecessary for him to it. form those who were acquainted with the mode of performing divine service on the ('ontinent, that the churches were open from ten to twelve. lie was aware how different the Roman Catholic service was front the Protestant—how much shorter it was; it was finished in about a quarter of an hour ; and when one Mass wait said, the church might he applied to other purposes. Why should not our churches open as early as die Roman Catholic churches, and why should not two or three sod vices be performed ? would, in his opinion. bea better plan than taking half a million from the poekehof the people for the purpose of building churches. He would venture to submit another plan which the lion. Alember for %lidhurst had suggested. to which lie could see no possible objection ; it was, wh e n the population became too large, and could nut resort to the parish church, these persons should be peemlued to select a pastor, and build a church of their own. He had beard the liberal principles of the professors of the Established Church spo ken of, and it was upon that liberality he built, when he ar gued upon their paying their own pastor and building their own t urches. Of this there was an instance in this city : there was a private church built in Curronatreet by one of the noble family of that name. If this per. mission was given to the people, and churches were built, the ground let for such purposes would bring a higher rent; it would be said the ground was well applied, and its produce would be sweet and savoury. A friend had told him, he let ground for a house, and he was surprised to find a church upon it. In the elec tion of the pastors by the people and the building of the churches, he was sure the people would not be found niggardly. lie would not allow them to appoint pastors who differed from the Establish ed Church ; he would refuse his assent to the selection of such per. soon as would be schismatic -4; if such were elected, the church would degenerate into as many schisms as there were churches. lie would not, as he said, allow the people to choose their pastor, except with the approbation of the diocesan t the Ilishop should have his veto on the choice. This was the view he took of this part of the subject, and he trusted it would not be considered illi bend lie would not suffer the Liturgy to be given up, when he gave the people the right of appointing their own pastors. There was another remark made by the Right Honourable Gentleman, to which I c would ullude. He had remarked upon their paltry nig. gardliness about pounds, shillings, and pence. He was sorry to hear the Chancellor of the Exchequer say this, especially at the beginning of his career. It was surely his business to look arta things of this description. Certain statements had been made to the House; and he argued from the six parishes of Westminster, containing 130,000 inhabitants, that these statements were exag greeted and overcharged. No complaint was made upon the sub ject. lie went to all the Churches, and made all the inquiries in his power, and he now gave the result to the General Committee. lie would now move, as an amendment—" That the sum of one million had been already granted for the building of churches, and that a fnrther demand of halls million was made by his Majesty's Ministers for the same purpose, and that but a small number of persons had been supplied with religious accommodation by the NUM already granted, and from the rate orthe sum granted, not less titan twenty millions would be necessary for the object in view ; it would therefore be inexpedient to make any other Parliamentary grant, and it would be more expedient if Ministers devised some other method of affording religiousaccommodation. Mr. PEEL said, nothing could be more fair, nothing could be more liberal, than the principles on which the Honourable Gentle man had rested his argument. lie admitted the importance of the subject—be admitted, and, as he conceived, with the greatest pro priety, that the national religion ought to be protected. Ile assented to the object of the measure; and, he said, that if the expenditure called for was necessary for, or requisite to, support the established religion, he would be amongst the foremost to contribute to that expenditure ; but granting all this, he ettetopted to op pose and weaken the arguments of his Right Honourable 'Friend, and his object now would be to shew that he had failed in the effort—that he had no success in the combat. In the corn niencenient of the argument the lima. Member bad said it did not appear there was any ground tOr the complaint-411m the measure before the House required support. There were not many peti tions on the subject ; it was not called for, and in many parts of the country there was a perfect and complete indifference on the subject ; this very indifference was one of the strongest reasons for the motion, and he would consider it as one of the greateo arguments that could be adduced its its favour. The strongest a-- gement that could be adduced in favour of the motion was, that this indifference m to religious accommodation could neither be cherished nor inculcated. He would remind the House, that, pre vious to the year 1817, complaints were made, and acentnniods tion called for by various parts of the country ( 'omtnissioners were appointed for the express purpose of investigating these matters; and it was to them Commissioners the complaints and petitions were addressed, and not to the Parliament. Were it not for this circumstance ; it' these commissioners were not in. atituted, those petitions included in the appendix which lay before them from various places would be heard within the walls of the House. The arguments adduced by the lion. Member as to the state of the established church inlVestnimster were far limn being conclu. sive on the subject. In these document! he had chewed that the churches which he had nientioned were not full, and there was ae coniniodation in them. 'l'o make his arguments conclusive be should have shewn that those who made the complaints could have attended these churches. lie wished to know if these churches had pews, and if they were free of admission. He wished to know if these were chapels of ease, and if the pews were not the property of the rich. The Honourable 31ember did not touch upon then part of the argument, tor the object of the motion was to give the the right of free admission to the poor. Ile believed the lion. Member was mistaken in the nature of the returns before the House. Trey were not the returns of all plies; they were the returns of parishes conta'aing 4.000 persons; and to mike his argument conclusive, he should have proved that there were no places in Westminster which poseessed, notwithstanding the expenditure of money, such a nuniner of perstms without religious accommodation. To be consistent, he should have shewn that since 1719, notwithstanding the expenditure of the mosey. thou: was no place with a population of 4,11111/ deprived of the actonnue dation. Ile would take some of the great marufacturbig towns. and shew the Committee the real state of the subject. Ile would begin with Birmingham and Walsall. These places had nut complained; they had not coiled for money, but it should not be inferred they had no muse of complaint, or that they did nut want the money. lie would ask If it would null be contidered ass great advantage if even one individual of a family were provided with religious accommodatiqn, would not this be a great and efficient good ? (Hear.) It as it not known to all that the vicious habits of an entire family were often shamed and rebuked by the conduct of a single individual ? (Hear, hear.) that a single person, by the practice of virtue and religion, had often reclaimed front crime those who devoted their leisure hours to vice? ( ilear,) was it not known to them all that even a child, who had the advantage of being well instructed, had often shamed its parents from the vicious courses to which they were accustomed, and these parents abstained from crime in its presence? (Hear.) It was a well known fact that even an infant child reclaimed its parents from their vicious course. It would be conferring the greatest benefit upon every poor farnily, if the head, or any individual of it, were enabled to attend a place of religious worship. It was in his opinion clear, that if, whet., there was a populatin.l of fiooo persons, and room but for the relig' accommodation of one thousand, the remaining five thousand must, of necessity, go without it ; though, his computation was, perhaps, not correct, as from the member should be deducted such as could not attend from age, also children, to whom any attendance was, frOITI their tender years, unnecesaary. lie would also deduct, as he thought he ought, the dissentene. He did runt object, God forbid he should, many per sons in :his free country going to any place of warship they thought proper ; but there were certain cases in which it wa s just ifiable to reclaim (and he would not use the word ralaim if he could avoid it) dissenters, if we could, by fair means. This was juoili- I able, if we were seriously torten,. ett of the truth of the religion we professed ; and by lessening the number of those who differed from that religion we weuid certainly be dune,. a great good, provided it were done by justifiable wears ; and,. as amongst the disonters, there were some hone s t enoug h in admit that they were dissenters, nut frau' conviction but becsu<t• they pmfetreel that religion to nor.e—if, tone a population of 104'00 such, 2,500, the one-fourth, were ree hinted, he thought a great good would be done by the grant. Ile would now state the so.uatton of the manutaetuting tears. The population of one of them (we could not catch the nan:o) was, i:: 11117, 4 1 1.000: 11 ' 0 ' was religious accommodation for snot tiu, one-fourth. allowance ter the disser tees. It would not lo• denied that this saw should not be allowed to hest. 'r ite 10111 n.. larlll% bad a populate of 114,0119; there was religions acootanientation to: about Dion I. This, eurely, could cot he alley: el. to 3.01N1.000 tf persons i spoken of by the Honourable Alenib.r, it was a most egregious lacy. God forbid there should li, stall a eumbcr, but if them were, the granting the money would b.: th.: way to reduce it. T he granting this stunt would be a good work, • litele would enable us to sow the aced front abide we hareem of the greatest advantage to the country. The En; ^orauie 31eniticr spoke et a tuned) her the evil : he wished .o I.a. to , ;:ole services; this was the case ; it was dowel:far as it sv:.sy,..,s.h , s; this plan ought to co-operate with the grant ; he was nor advmk to it ; but he doubted if it would answer. '1 here were, in some instances, three services; lie could skew, to the satisfaction of the Ho nourable Member, there were, in sonic cases, not leas that five nervioes. if this euggewien were adopted, it should he recollected there were other services: there were catechisms. the baptism of children, and the administration of the sacra. 1 I PC CVI Dq in' fl!