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in defending the conduct of Ministers.. Ilia Inn,- drip roncluded by saying he would not intrude aps , l ong er i nn she House, but hoped he 1)4(1 said *efficient to induct inquiry. Ile would theleiere wove that the word "vow" be sett out of she m otion. and "this day week" inserted istatead. Mr. Wants twos imitteed to Peron(' the Noble Loin's mutton the more readily, because he war cognissot of the mousier ill riiich Ihr Cillieishiffese of 1013 load fulfilled the duties imposed tweet *l t em. An lionuttrable Member, with . * view to a Nil intimuoonou of our deportmeut of the Civil 1.i.1 expenditure. had moved in the Cuirmoirs er Cu the personal attendance of one of the 'Acre* of that 41,pgrom,id ; but in Mit termini he failed. lle Own moved for various palms, but all were re fiord; anal there wee only such ilocienseuto Lod I'efore them us the ertajorny of the Commuter fraustainsietl WI it was) chose to send for. !le bad always. Ilrouth professing the hialteat respect for the Crown, 644.11 an olvecure fur inquiry ; and a feriae he had shooed it necessary. how low 1. more have at the corouseraceasrut of a New reign ? Ile rosicluded by asylum, shot he should support the motion of the Noble Lora. Mr. Sjll9lttstioN contended that the Noble Lard ought to Ir..r stated whet the essesoustastees were which tt.t•k the presrot oust of the wool emarse of proceediog. In 1818 full inquiry ass made, and the eats. Mil,Worm of the late Misr 'Naively eerrrow4 from that of the Recent ; therefore, wises the Noble lord tallied of s Groom of tin Stole, he weeld inform him that the office ter. at ii,e demise of the Crows. The Hon Member ar.4. , ..1 11.1 so. ion addition was required to the establ,shnieut i■ latei for the Heretic, it was iscumbeat ton the Noble I.nttl w, either that the first okulatioe was extrans. el t o o else that lest might sod ought to sellee ter his Mis. p.ity, mow that he is Kiar, tbs. whew he was lieges' only. Ile observed, that all the How. Illensbers who had spoke, on the °thee side, sod the Noble Lord among the rest, had laid their finger, ow t h ► Master of the Hawks; but he meat inform the Noble Lord, and those Homortable Gentle- Mr", that to east office the possessor had as good a right as to a freehold : it had been granted to them for ever, sad they held it by se good • title as ray grant of land ensile by Henry Will., or as that by which soy N0)1.11 , 111 or Gentleman held his landed estate. The soma otwervlti,rn might extend lit the Vicar of the Tower, owl the view... small avms payable to Corporstious ; they were ■ll ream. in perpetuity, nod emild nut be abolished. The Ifni.. Member econevided, that, looking to the state of tbn exchange in 18IS, by which a judgment might be farm ed, a•,d the present resod, there we. on such difference all the Noble Lard had segued in the alnico( the currency. He mei preeiroled to take a survey of the Civil List, from the photon.« word. and liveries, sad the tight of par to ponce, down to the Report of the Committee iu I:e.oillesideil that the reolosnl of every charge of a fluc tuating nature from the Civil List, as effected by the ar ringeonent of 1818, w proper, and that by the classifies -1,.,n and method which had hero adopted, all recess was prevented. and pn effeetnal check provided. As • proof, of the rlTerurrseas of the check, be alluded to the rionsisoce elf not s *hitting of debt having bees incurred dining the f f..re rho Art of 1816, though the eh►ck was in the Lords or Ihe Tvesoury, as now, yet t►e►e had never before hens an officer whositAtity if was especially to bring it before tht m. It, ronrh.sion the Hon. Member affirmed that the Noble Lord hs.! not made oat his case at all. The only two, in. ntaners of Anse which he had quoted, the firm was the Groom of the !halt, in which be was mistaken; and the s. rood was the Ilmater of she Hawks, and the other mall rtymenis with which Parliament could Sot deal. Mr. BROUGHAM said, that he hod no intention elist....r oP stlilressing , the !louse upon this aces. •ios, haring.., folly expressed his skies *a a former fleeing as t.. the mrdns of the question ruder consideration. list hr could 114.1 firbear from correcting the mistake into which .R.gbi Hitooltrable Grattemtut had fallen who hail list iiineword the House. Thi• mistake wao indeed a• en 'Nene his astonishment. Fur holt could Mitt flotionrehle Gentlrwin so far misconceive him 1 0 euppetae, that in 'illusion to certain moult grants /11111.4 is tai. pipers on the table, he meant to propose the Atollion sir curtailment of these grants f Nothing of the k , ..1 was indeed in his contemplation, nor was it fairly to be iledweed from the ;galore of his observations. In answer the argument urged against his proposition for severing mien e•tab:ishatents from the Civil List, be referred, and very "Attu:illy, to some particolsr grants hereto- Coe rid nut of that fund, ialtielt alight obviously be so (lost: it without in any degree endangering the dignity of the Crown. AR the grants which he had quoted on Vslany. and to which the Right Hun. Gentlest.■ had joss refined, were precisely of that description. %that, fur incliner, Viol the allowances to the Vicar of the Tower and the lump,. of the lions to do with the maintenance of the dignity or splccdour of the Crown ? There was also another g ant in she papers on the table, which, from considerations of delicate, he forbore to mention to the Rowe on Friday, he means that.,to the Rat-killer.—(A land lough.)—But menttudi.ir this officer ouw, and he hoped he should sand rd by the House, he by no means intended to *ay the ntikly of such au officer, may more than he roma the exitance of rate. He could wand, indeed look at any side of him without admitting the exist eare of ral•-•-4/Istr, hear, and repealed langhfcr)—end Ist h was the number of these vermin, as well as the realism "mums of their character, that he was as little disposed to us an ensi to the office of rst-killer as to that of keeper of will'er animals, the lions.—(A lapis.)—But he could nut help thinking that utiliser of Ihese offices were intimately connected with the splendour or dig. hity la she Crown, that their maintenance ought to provided for out of the Civil List. No wish ~r »as either expected ur implied is, the observe )6l II be felt it his duty so sishmit to the House on rr.d.;!: It would, indeed, bare been hicossistent with the Si,,, of his argument to make any proposition of that 113111/... k 4 It was his declared wiry, that such grants as he Pencil to, should he rasher paid out of the COWOOII - Fund than included in the Civil List,as it was evident lest li•wow gratis, were nut all connected with the maiute ii tore of the Royal dignity. Sir. Tpsnpre said, that in addressing lite House upon a suds. t of dais nature. at a time of such general and grievous distress—at lime that our agriculture was at. utoterislly deprived, and so very likely to become wo r se —at a time sheer our Commerce was in the cognitions so fuicibly de•tribeil this sight by au Hosoursble friend arse him fir Baring)—al a time when oar Forma fsetitreys were nearly starving—at a time when the disetuoi tvuta arising min or such circumstances were such as to h•rak out in various quarters into acts of unjustifiable, a tune when the pub!ic revenue bad (auks In such " s"asaterablit extent as imperiously on call for the most ...moms in every brawls of the rah;iC expro..lllnre. he e.... 181 'nuke nu apology fur net...vying she attest' tilf Ilati•e, whits be submitted the uhaervations which sorb a ata!e of things naturally suggested to h.s mind. The Hight Honourable Gentleman us the ether side (Nlr. Ilitaltioton ; had rested leis objection to the amendment rul"nrcl la his Noble Friend. upon three grounds : aro, t1,,l there wee nu preerdent for built as in. 4" , r) n. his Noble Friewl celled fur—sernalnYt that a"'Y ohjeetionaltle item or items in the paper us the 'Ale might be pointed tout used discussed without insti• Intents any such isogniry; and, thirdly, that there had been ''" 'leek* of expendst•rc its the Civil List 'once Ike Act " Nowilie should take the last griossi.l of objection hy the Right Honourable Gesitleouni, and observe, l hat uf the procreate...of any ewers' of espentlitars beyond 11 1 s grant in the Civil Lest, wet.: an argument to he se. lied upon, for the extent of sloe genet, It would seers rash " seri/81111~i the grant of tern million% then "be law at present proposed; Weston, the larger the mot the less ornlistrolity there would be that any curios al smpiesullpere 'null Oecer.oe day asp debt would be incesswed. Tian as N. Ile objectimi upon the Scare of precedent, be ihnellit he glad to know where any precedent resold be Nisi in oar history for wale au accumulation of cabmen!, or such a pressure of snistartnoe as at present sillicted this country' MIA respect to lite third groused relied upon by the Right Hose. her Or. ) resold by 1141 mesos motto in the pauegyric toe howl theitt‘lit proper to pion 00000 ice upon the neraiegemen( of 18111, because he well recollected that she arrangement was founded upon a mere stateisieut pre• armed fir the heads of the several depertments of the Civil Lilt, which statements She Committee in 1818 win not allowed effect sally to inqoire into, it being einicrived indelicate to sift the matter by ally personal examination of the Lords of the 114.1154h0hl 'spun the items its their various estimates. There was mithiag in these esti mate., lie in the arrangement which followed, that ehould solisfy the Honer, or that mold preclude the necessity of reedier inquiry wpm, this subject. it was tosid with some triumph by the Right IL 00000 ura'lle Gentleman, that the present state of the Civil List was owing in a great meerurr, to the eicilastre of the and opposite in 1618; so that after all the President of the Hoard of Control said shoot delicacy to the King and potting bis Majesty on board wages, there less now • Crone man of the name of Harrison, appointed minutely to inspect these ..accounts of eggs and milk." as they were called on the other side of the House, with regard so which nu Goo_ mitten of that Housecoteld coneistently be permitted to make the sliglitest-Itiqoiry. Rot how was the notion of delicacy regarded with respect the settlement for the Chimes ma. blishmetit, when Cul Slieplienseni was called upon to versed§ • monde estimate of list expenses as that °dicer dill without hesitation or reserve, and completely to the satisfaction of those who took intaglio/.to imannue it. He tallied upon' the House to require a similar estimate in this case leefore it eon. Noted to vote die antemut of the Civil List. The Holm was indeeitboond to inquire upon this sidiject for the salisfactioa or the 'oolitic, for the credit of the Crowe., awl for the vsiolies. lion eyries owes character. Ira dote inquiry were instituted, the cwitiley would be contented with the grant, although 11131 grant might trot be more lima 1000/. less than the sum now proposal. But the saving would, he was persuaded, be considerably more, if a 'borough investigations were allowed Io take place upon this subject. Of the fallacy of the estimates In which reference had so afro and so confidently been made ow this occasion, the House might judge from this fart, that although the estimates of 18111 amounted to 1,448,008/. the Aet of 18111 was founded upon an estimate which was introduced, making • deduction of 139,008/. and the Right Hoomerable Gentleman bad then said, that the ground of this deductim• was the deprecia tion of the value of money. The Noble Lord, indeed, had givrn other reasons for this difference iu the amount of the estimate for the two years, and hart referred to charges fur additional Ambassadors, and fur keeping the gardens. But he (Mr. Tierwey) knew slut, nor could any man know, what real payments had been made. They might hive a mass of lowers laid upon their table, bit wa it possible for Gentlemen to go through the details Or those voluminous papers, in order to ascertain whether the items made op the amount of the estimate? As so the doetuation in the valise of mosey, if the value were greater. then 139,0001. was not the sum; if has, the sum would fall short of that amount. In every point of view, there fore, there was bee Ponied method of arriving at a keine , ledge of the sem which was, or ought to be granted, but by a Committee of In q uiry. 'she grounds upon which the Committee had made their Repoli in 1811, were the estimate made by Mr. Pitt in 1804, She average amount of expenditure it, 'even years eliding its bill, amid then the amount for the two years and these quarters. The amount for the two „ sad three quarters might to have formed no part of the calculation, became the ex penses of that period were Meowed under very peculiar cir cumstances. Another Report in 1812 took foe its basis the expendieure of the were years ending is 1611. It was that the estimate in 1804 wan an estimate which Mr. Putt sever made out, mid that it was made for purposes at soother kind. Now, although 1." wan no great Pettile, be entertained too great a respect for the memory of Mr. Pitt, to believe Lim capable of leisdiag himself lo a pro .lra of this sort. As to what was stated in the Report of that COlNlaillfr. that they could not aseeitain the grounds upon which the Report of 1804 lima made, he amen observe, that many of the Gentlemen who sat in Mr. Pitt's Committee, the Right lion. G. ntlemeit apposite, for institute (Mr. Hos. kimono), the late Mr. Ruse, and many others were alive, and sat span the Committee in 1811. That Committee, however, .deemed it expedient to throw Mr. Pett's essintate aside. His Majesty's Civil Liet Establishment in ISOI, amounted, h e b e l ieve d, t o n47,!100/., seal in the arrangement for ant year, Mr. Pitt had deducted a sum of 133,0001. He able 110 reason why ends. should sot be given to Mr. Pit .11le believing that he could make sorb a redaction iu the Civil List, for taking away 136,0001. from the average onewint of the three preceding years, and the actual sum saved was not more than 47,0001. per annum. Was them soy thing extraordioary in supposing that Mr. Pitt, having all the means of nice, tlining the facto. should believe that be could effect sorb a saving to She cottony? it was said that the average of the sere. years ending in 1811, was the true criterion by which to form an estimate of the Cord List. This he distinctly &sled. He would call to the recollection of the House the great expenses of hie late Majesty, asking front a large family, the expenses of the canard uf Wenke, hemmed not is repairing, Imt in improvioy the stupendous striecture drf Wiallsor Castle, and in huildiug Keissiog o Palace for the then Princess of •Valee, the expenses of his Majessy its removing his family from Lofoten to Windsor sad Weymouth. Norse of these eircosawancr- applied so the peseta day, sad a Irate of expenditure, suited to that penal, might wit Su be adopted in 51w present reign. The House would sot discharge !hilt duly to their country, it they did not watch With the greatest jealousy the proceedings of Ins Majesty's Ministers In that part of slit Report of Ike Conineittee in 1816, which respected the charge fur Am bassadors, tie Noble land (Lord Castlereagh) hail himself neknowledged an error ..f esoloor. Now could he (Mr. Toeseeey) be sure that there was not sow an en or of fed,oool.? Four must eveatfol yeses, and assay changes bed taken place, Dud it was most ioceenebeist *pose the Howse to passe and inquire, units* they were ready to place implicit reliance torn his Majesty's Minister', and to sent to whet, sor the Crown might expect at their hamar. They were tailed spa to vide 850,800 f. for the Civil List establishment of Great Britain, sod 200,0001 fur Ireland; but no Milady bad at any time takes, plate with respect to the Irish expenditere. The accounts of the Civil List had become so complicated, so many sums bad been taken from one head nod added to another, that it was extremely doe/Iran to arrive al an accurate knowledge of the subyect.-1 here war anidlwe view of this question which he consOtered So be the must importaut. The Right Hownseable Genilenean had stated, that the mem of I legs, but - ■ 88,0001. per Ronan •ppropriated tolls. Privy Purse was the they basing only sum that properly reptsiswil to the Crown„ and he (Me. Ticrwey) souid Wore *Wised that this sans had hew charged epos the Corieololseed Fowl, toweled of the C45`11 List. It was not placing the Crew.. 11. that road situation in which it formerly stood. Formerly the Kum was considered as the father of his people, and a grow sum was Rivas bias, whirls he alight expend 111 sets of benelliceoce. Now, even her Wiest, the (totes could out Sad • place is the Civil List; sod iu a 11111 pet riding fur the R.syal Household, the Queen of Et.cland was excluded, although re comiteed by the Lard Chaumolor, and happily fur her represeesterl by his Honourable Friend (.Mr. Berroghant). lie world not press VICE-CHANCELLOR'S COURT, Weresautresa, this lope forth.? a 1 present, Newest it malt oirressnelly MOND/111. MAT 8. bosom she subject of future ihse h e n et =47 of ;llama the soma 60,0081. in the cliep osal of his it eras material to studerittagel how much of 'lost CUAPIR 4N U. CURTIS. le."" already 11/ h." Majesty's possession. The Hull " Mr. BANES staled, this woe a bill filed for the lielibepegreseding entirely in She dark. There were the lhr properly of a testator die. 11110801 of the Unehiev of Cornwall and Lasearter ; the Pts'lmar i4 101911, 1 C fosimirr; he Irthi writ, antoantiag to 10.000/ and She latter tribute( according to bur will. It only hunt t weet, Itt Ib,oool per inonel•lf 40 theti• sums Wrestickti eintbet. Gory 10 open the ',deadlines.** there was only ii sine a year for the 31 4 3,001 1 t. which had been whole lo,u.ront wouie la &Vide by an ing•stry before the Allister. 'flue h e ainely. e ole tho o ssiol 'rotunda • year, benican imwease tertistor bequentiten fey Ins wit' certain proper! . to of Illy pee road. amigo the grins SWIM of . sixty thoosaiid pounds per mooing. 'Foe Warbler of erialehaa hos Majesty's line elintlresi of (use daughter. which else sleight have Ministers to apply large sows vat of this ittiroosiinesily I by leer then bueleanit. Jinni J.0.:4111); the children sevens, 1111151 be ./bl.lOlllll to everyone, anti the Milsw ovoid i t., s a ke on the youngest of Oleos stn. 4 the age tow how easy it ovoid be al the eve of a groom, election, ofBl. i t ap " of til dust the were lire children to take 20,0001. out of the privy pursue. fire Stir purpesen of eu „. 06 ... H ., uwsl+rtkiseratemrae wish =teas ps i s t„ I barn ui the Itfeettine ul John Jacob, and silo alter self. He adne.tted that this lea. Meta tone so sword the fist- lit Ogle brcauss a willow, stet the bull clanged that Inge a hie Majesty, but k felt that he alsnald not discharge his duty ti the eueotry ot4 imitated the dissiket i.f M wsiea .'era in conaeoting ie I lei issuer reteesehotents. and dis charging • few unhappy clerks, while they shot their ryes up o n the improvident grant which they were called spots or vote to hie Msjesty. He bed diacnorgril hi. duty to the rinory, sad he trusted that the House would discharge theirs. Mr. Canooto said, that the Homo was now called upon at the consineercement • New reign to do that which had hero inverisbly dime 110 nottiar occasions. to snake • final vote of a sum for the expenses of the Civil Gm/creme's. and She support of the 'Civil Fiuweeholil. The first thing to he done so she Howie was to look to the practice of former time., and in tracing their proceedings th gip preceding reiges sip to the Revolution, and the reign of King Millions, they would find that men a gi - sni had been always at find voted without annuic iuynt.y Ile to...mooed obis nut fur :he pus pose of proving the inipiopriety of entering lido previews inquiry, Lilt to skew that it was incumbent on those who lecoionsended rawaystion to lay some special groom& fur this unprecedented mode of proceeding.-- If the Civil List had undereolie No revision whatever to the course of the late reign—or if, having been revised, it could be Aeon Gist inner the last revision there had been great exceeding. of the last estimate and gram, Ilia perhaps might be alleged ss a ground fur exception net of the gene ral rule, and of she Necessity of shin previons investigation. But the atuence of both these cormliestauces famished a sew motive, in additiom to precedent, so follaw the old customary course. The Right Honourable Geothrosast, in slating the ground.' of hie opinion , said, most fairly, that whets a gum was given to Om Soweerign's Privy Purse, there was afterward* tie account of its opplieation. He (Mr. Castling) admitted that, bit he coairoded that that very incident was, of the mature of it, as long as it! existence had bees recognised by Parliament. With respect to the revemies from the Duchies of Lancaster sod Cornwall, site latter bad bens eojoyed by his late Majesty from the time of his accession to the majority of the Pnuce of Wales, and the former sill the end of his reign. The Right Hon. Gentles's,' had spoken of the iminarasse prestorty Irft by his late Majesty; hot without pledging himself positively fur the corrector:as of lie statement, be had every moos in believe he 'slated what was trim vim.n be said that the whole accumulation of proper ty which existed at his late Majesty's deers,. had accrued 'sorely from the evaseseacement of his indispositsoo, during a period when be was enable to dis pose of Hear ) Mr. Tiallmay asked (as we understood) for what purpose the Commivoioners had been appointed in 1811 Mr. CANNING Custimiled.—The CouNllNanoliers has been ' appointed to administer property of the King, but so small in its amount that scarcely any Gentleman in the House would look on it as a great acquisition, and the land. would revert to the Crown.—(Harr, Aaiun!—The Night Hon. Gem ilemmo's purpose worild out be answered without ass ioquiry tutu the Privy Purse also.—(. No," from the opposite sido.)—Ho begged to remind hint- that he was not precluded from lairestiarting the charges on the - Civil Lirt,nnd the impasses on the Kuril Household, after she Civil List should have been witted; oar the contrary, there were many is. stances of its having been dose in the course of a reign, but not use at the euninseocenont. Mr. Burke had caused the whole of the household expeaditnre of the Sovereign to be sifted with the must rigorous innietaiess 20 years after Ms late Majnily bail aaceuJrd the thrum.. He admitted the distressed state of the country—he admitteit Iliac the splen dour attic Crowe was too dearly bought by the discoateat of the people.-•-fHear.)—Bot to deliberating on the cowrie proper ies be panned in the present coojuninure, his Ma jesty's Mioniters bad Not entertained a doubt that if the pro position sobniiiied by dorm to Parliament should be gun. fiord *Weir the limits of the pro/deism which was already ' to existence, the House would think that they bad dome , their ditty to the country no less than to their So. vereign.o-(Hear, krar.)—He did not see what change coold have been advised, in the way of lowering the former -establishments. Reasons, indeed, might easily have been ad vanced—was the country in a condition to permit it, en the side of an augmentation' Fur she Sovereign was expend to many slipcases, from which he had been exempted while Prices itegaist. The keephig a Windsor, for example, was a new burden. Ile should have bees mood glad that the Home bad nutuifesicil unsairoily on this qoestiois • and he thought dial the principle of the Right Hon. Gent leman of rigidly examining before granting say thiNg, was *either very gracious our eery wine. He did trust and believe, that it was the wish mod intention of the thraldom. Personage on the Tbroue, to live strictly within the provision made to 1818, after the MOH laborious and deliberate investigation, imd the must extensive discussion. The effect of adoping the original snotiou would be, that the House adhered to the arrsiogrosest of Hill, while the people gained all that fell Is by the death of the late Kin. 1u thesis. of 385,0001. whit* was ruled in the account. on the table so have bens received by she Crown out of the Admiralty' and other foods during Ilse late reign, was included une of 110,0001. which might to have bees deducted from it—because so much had beer ap plied by his Majesty to the payment of debts, fur die dis charge of which a provision bad been made by Parliament of 50,0001. A year—a charge on the country, which, without that arrangement, would have coutianed two years longer. On She whole, he did nut see any ground laid fur deviating at this time from lung established prec.slest. Mr. TIBIINZT and Mr. Cantatoo moloally explained, after which Mr. Ttanstao said, that Mr. Perceval having appointed eight. Commissioners iu the year 1811, with a salary of • thulium' • year each, to administer the King's property, he bad inferred that the property which required so mach management was nut very small. Or on, point he bail bees misunderstood by the Right Hoe. Gentleman; he had never asserted or implied, that no sour should he left to the ab solute disposal of the Sovereign; on she contrary, he was of opinion that many inconveniencies might result from the adoption of such& principle; het what he wished to effect, was, that Parliament should know bow much exactly that sum su to be aboslotely disproed of was. It now appeared that of the 385,0001, the proceeds of the dram of the Crows, 110,0001. had been applied, and very properly so, to the payment of debt.; but still she whole of the sem must have origioally gone into the privy purse. After • short enoversation between Mr. CANNING, Mr. Tiastnelf,asid the Council-Woof the Exeueouto, on the last-mentioned *object, the House divided use the anieod meet. The numbers werr— Apia.* the Amendment Is favour 157 . . . . . Mejiwily stains! the Amendment.. 119 On sour return into the gallery Sir J. Rawson? was pn his legs, but we were unable to culled the object of the Baronets elmervallonis they having heew almost concluded before wee re-tedatiminee. Mr. TISIIIIIV sand a few wools in explanation. Sir Joun Ncwroar and the Csarccu.ost of the '- augur* explained. The original Resolution was then carried. Adjourned at Tw tt.st ott.ocit. LAW INTELLIGGACE. the two I.itter were illeirriehete. tt was }hereon . nicevvory in hove to iaquo'y iota thet fin tv Slr. Titestortre sod he was Counsel f.r the iuGtnts whip weir chivied Votive 101 l to be illegiti unite ; iiithusigh ilw allegistiuu wanted*, there woo not Li littl e id evidence on vu i pint it. The Vick-Citeoctit.o.nu—••Tnke the inquiry before the :11inter, and let hint tilro inquire whit ore the prniiorlintiate oherrit the clitlarroi err willtard to tecett , 'inapt' the will of the Trilidlol. livh.rresl to the Mester. Il•noeur the Vic E-CllANcrl.l4olll emit into. Court N 1 vett is ' ClUCk bad s o twelve, hr having got •tvuuth Itty imiwr r r raiser*. lie win take the a'assi.ris horst fur Wer1;04141", oil lef.rai.f= few ; 41111 c•nives for limber direcilimir. ow N'trduer day ; tuuttiinv,uu Friday; nod *hurt ceases, 041 Sa turday. COURT OF PEING`g BENCH. Wsnimmit, AIaNDAr, May S. TUX KING v. HENRY HUNT. ESQ. AND °TRIMS. At smear!! hour tics MOT ll Itt Mr. How. accom panied toy Messes. Johoson. firmly. mod liansforil, approved WI Ilse floor of the Court of King's !kiwis, to Iwor Ihr opinion of Ilir Court Upeil the paints urKed by Mr. hunt, in support of his mtnittliTor a uew trial. SIN , If after eleven o'clock the Judges took their sea... an 41 The CHIEF JIHITICII proceeded to deliver his op . . He iiiiiiii rimed by stating. that this was an indictment against Henry Hunt. Esq. and other D•fendinits fora conspiracy. It had occupied • great deist of the piddle nine, and since the trial several new points hail been urged its behalf of the Defetulanta, in support of a motion for • new trial. Upon 11011 e of these prows had he the least doubt. The first was the refusal of the Judge to receive evi dence touching the c loot of the military in die peering the ineoing. The matter at tissue was the consluct ol the meeting itself, it. legality or tllegali'y. Now that point could not be decided by the act of the military—their 'opposed misconduct could never decide whether that which had, iii point of time, pre ceded it, was or was not illegal—their violence. if it were so, could not justify the previous appear. once of ',Wetter on the part of the meeting. But in fact any doubt is; that point most be set at rest by the verdict of the Jury, which did nut charge the m.,ting with intendisig violence at the time, but sills endravouriug to excite the people to hatred and contempt of his Majesty's Govern. orient. The secant: objection related to a certain paper. which contained what was called the Smith. field Resolutioses. It was said, on the inn of the Defeudants, that this paper had sin reference to the affair at Alasicheater. and ought not to have been received in evidence ; it was also mid, that even if it were rdinitatible, the mode in which it was received was informal; fur as the printed paper must bawd been taken frum some manuscript, cleat manuscript ought to have been produced. Now, ow the latter argument he would only say, that as the printed paper came in that form front the hands of one of the witnesses, it was endue= ter- 'tinily as against him. A. to the other point, the gr.. nand admiwibility, he thought it clearly admissible to shew the conduct of a person who had just before presided at a meeting like that convened at Man chester. and who w;is to perfortu the same once in • place where he had no local connexion whatever. The Learned Judge then went over the objection urged against the admission of the evidence of the training and drilli n g at White Mom, tits assault on the constable. and the subsequent hissing at the door of the latter, and said, that he thought all had been properly admitted in evidence on the trial. With respect to the inscriptions on the banners. and the necessity of producing the banners hi Court, instead of admittiag oral evi dence of their inscriptions, lie denied that the boomers bad any analogy to the case of writ ings; they were more -like speeches, and as con veying the sentiments of those who adopted them. There was no analogy. .lretween the production of writings in civil vises sod that of these banners in criminal ease. In this case the evidence respect. ing the inscriptions was cleat ly admissible, for other wise public justice might be defeated ; as its a va riety of instances. though the inscriptions were clearly liven. the battings might not be captured. and Fri the hands of those who could produce them in a Court of Justice. With respect to the Judge's charge, lie tl s lit it fully borne out by the evi dence, and the effect of that evidence it Was for the Jury alone to determine. He saw no grimnids laid fur a stew trial in this case. Mr. Justice Flohaoxo and Mr. Justice HUT then stated their full concurrence in what bad fallen from the Chief Justice. Justice BAT LIT said, that if he entertained nay doubt upon any of the points. he should not have failed to have expressed in the strongest terms what that doubt was ; but upon a careful conside ration of the whole of the arguments, it appeared to him that no foundation had been laid on which the Court could grant a rule fnr a stew trial. He should nut go much at large into the subject, be. cause he entirely concurred with the observations of the Lord Chief Justice; but on one or two poinis he would wake • few observations; rod Bat with respect to the comfort of the soldiers ; he con sidered at the time, and still thought he should have been guilty of an nbandonineut of his duty, if he allowed evidence of that Let to hare gone to the Jury; for the dein...woe of the crowd, not that of the soldiers, was the issue they were tryiug. If the soldiers had misconducied themselves they were liable for such misconduct to be tried; he there fore conceived it proper to reject the evielreice offered by which they would have been prejudged. To re but the evidence or ti.i.o. mid Entwistle as to the conduct of the meeting. the most complete evi deuce was allowed on the pert of the Defendants, and much evidence was given to that point. Very early lei the ciee au Oriel:twos was takes an the part of the prinrcutiuot. that tantrum of particialm sets or the whiter* ahoulJ net be received. and lot had these ruled it mould not ; vii the third day of the l e i a l. to prevent mistfusiceptiati.s. Ike had meutiosed it again, and be woold mod to the Court (Nous a piloted accouset of the Anal, which to SW port was. lie believed, qecte sweet) vilest be thee said. [His L.ordslop brie mut the 'amigo, the purport of sown was. that 110 1.4101•11.,410% ~halt his Lead. !ju t , 66,1 said ou tieekpreleiesee. wimpeal. it !weaver. freely moue to the •Helemetineteto girt Olidellm to „hew the peaceable cocduat, of the riogesiesg.l ~_ -~--- Lordship observed. tbst site eet to the evi. defies of the remillettimei poweed at the Smith field fleeting, ii appeared the resolutions weir orally delivered by eosin perms on the hast ier, and the witness Fitzpatrick. trecelmel s µsteer from one of the witness, as awl to, thole. resul atoms ; he compared rod found it cue respond. if with toilet he had heard. it therefore appeared his Lerriblsip it was receivable as against that De lendaid. With regard to the resolotione themselves.. be had not brought his mind to doubt that lie had properly stated to the Jury the inference which 'night be drawn from them ; for what were the facts? Mr. Hunt attends a meeting at Smithfield an the 9.lst July ; on the 31st July au arlytpi.e - went appeared in a Manchester paper, fur a Alt% t ing of • similar nature to be held on the9.h August. at which Mr. Hunt was to tate the Choi'. Mr. Ilunt arrived at Manchester on the 8111 of August ; the ineetiux wits postponed to the 16th. surd at that meeting Mr. flout presided. Now hi. Lordship lotted. ass it iticouvntelit to inter their at a meeting sitembled for • similar purport M Ileii t Weald to protium similar resolutions mod act.ja ineuilar anariner ? His Lordship agreed. tlisd is the absence of 'eidetic, inorieesee woe to lie pressroom ; but were they not then to drew iraVOSOLII from err. deuce adduced? He would put the case of goofs stolen. no person seeing the thief is the int ed . meshing them. but they are hisiod in the poreseiow of a person within 114 hours after, the presumption is that lie stole them, and it is for him to produre evidence to account for how he CMS)! by V c c : e•or such evidence persons were every day found guilt). If Mr. Hunt meant at the Manchester meeting. put similar resolutions to those passed at Santis. field, he was criminally culpable. If he meant pu: different ones, he ought to have produced et .- deuce of abet was intended to be proposed. • His Lordship then briefly adverted to the t,u .i. ing and drilling, the evideace of which, he thought. had been properly sent to the Joey. His Lordship next made some observations on parole evideuce, the tendency of which went to prove that the rule of law. as to its admiseimi, was not iu enamel Cole* so inflexible as Mr. Hoot had oauleoded. lii con. elusion los Lordship said, that he entirely can. eurred iu all the observations of the Lord Chief Justice. • a The ATToRBIZT-GENSIIAL MO D and nlftettlAll'S on the time which this case had occupied alreedyi s prayed the immediate judgment of the Coerce.' the Defendants. Mr. Hunt said the observation of Mr. Attorney- General as to the length of time the case lied occu pied was 110 feniall why the Defendants should met have time to prepare their sfhdavits which they would have in off er . The Loan Cuter Justice- 4 ' Mr. Attorney. General has said: if you have any thing to oiler tee objects nut to Wait." Mr. Hunt then named Monday next as the day on which they could have the alidatits from elan. cheater. The Arromm-Gursitistbsagig Art -might be ready with thew os Zjrt . which would be much snore commie's% , wlawas war the last dsy of Term. -• The Cone's, afterletime einieilletiesi, decided that the Defendants ditivid Raw sp es Saturday, and alibi to the Court if they were not then ready whet Mop had brew takes, and the Court would Ass. *tide, if roper, is Ist it stand ever till g e rient then bowel to their Lordships and withdraw, accompanied . * th e other Defelidants. f • FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE. •...L .r.Rtr GOIXA,II' PAPERS. - • ft- Lllllllc, APRIL 09d . 4 _ Our fair has now begun some days; it is pretty well attended, and many buyers art still expected from Russia. The Greeks, who made large peel. chases at the last Michaelmas fair, and who era mid to have still a considerable stock on hand, are pit so numerous as usual ; some are said to have k. l it away in order not to be obliged to make goodiliear payments. The Jews from the kingdom of Po land are more numerous, and the goods poretroont is the beginning of this week especially met melon brisk demand. [outlier was boug h t up oollogl• though it was very dear; this hes been the cage fur some days plash Woollen cloths have had also a rapid sale, and silk goods did not want foe' per ehasers. It would he. however, too early to furies ma opinion of the result of the fair, but it w .tsar believed that it will not be had. Meer aralises for payment came front the north, and though else number of tellers is even greater in tilt, fair than usual, yet • great deal of wholesale buSiiiin is dose. There are many French. kohoin, Plwareo. lenders, and English here. all of thews relieve, aiiif their numbers greatly injure the sale of (ii•lemaii manufactures. The English are particularly tie memo.; and what • crudity of. English goods there most be at Leipsc this fair may be interred from the fact that 40,000 let. of Roglish Tart,* and callicuea lace Cellar by!woy.r Lowlier* uhnie to Leipsic for Our Eisner fear. ,A still gjeairr quantity of other goads, for instance, hardware. japanned articles, tkc. goer down the Elbe to MagJe berg, sad so to Leipsic.- A single hnu•le Imre lia• now received 900 cwt. of English tau (or japodnen) goods which still maintain the superiority ovor.tlt German.—(iVipmpberg Correspondent, 0507.) VIAMIteoIIT, Alien. ir. The agents of the German merchants au, su.ieo facturers in the memorial which they hare 'ad dressed to the Congress at Views*, iiirist on' the necessity of calling together a general congerss of the European merchants. They desire that they may have grouted to them, for six yours ouly,Aie mouovoly whicia their rivals have toppled lor ld r. end they hope that its thia chart peliOd they shall acquire suffacieLt strength to maintain the cilniii.- bijou oith all fireman. They violently ttrusan,t thot, to paamote the interest oldie (itrillitaii law:he - facturer., proliitailoty eposoeree_ stay be ailo k iteit ag 'hint England. Accordi)g to the last aerosols 100,, co!!1+ 101 - Doyle, ellorschiil Ahmed Piclia, silo 11,..d berii obliged to quit Aleppo. in cottarytieni'i of n' &a revolt of the populace, Wrist tionsialrosli the N. v et the, helot of e :body : of simple had esomio-.1 eithost,emacy the . rialgo, of ' crams. auLl Weis. ..a J ! it 341 I ~I