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.a ~. rai ht takes iota re-cessideratios ON Tride • 7. 0 ' 1,41 wa s agreed tu. COTtON SINNERS' PETITION. - " ITATIEttIfrA. Alderman- MusD stated. tlisi he hial In present several Petitions front it very worthy and meritorious class of the community, whose interests 'he understood would he _moot materially affected Lr the Kijecterl beide over the Thames, new anateritithr. The Petili were all signed by the ...sine description of lirrooris. the. Watermen below who st iced in their Petitions that their tons Voymetit and consequent sole means of living arose tram the eotisevauce of peenweigers anal Ittgrltte 11110$ 11 that lint of the Thames situated at and in the ii-iglikturlinial of Cocktail's Point Stairs: nod that should the bridge contemplated by an Act new he fore the Morse be erected over that part of tie lliotnes, their plyiag would be completely rens Aereil oarless. and unpiofitaltle. They further 1 epreseuted, that they had acquired the right to ply st ; irits the river by an ftrprinitice r•li;it of s-veral years. said that-the greater propor aimu of their heady ball, at one period or other. 'erred with evedit on bosol his Morales vessels of ssar.---The Petq'ini was then road from the Water ineu of Co: kohl's Puled *airs. and ordered in lie ou the taldr, sis were oleo the mouth,* Petitions. #Air. %VeoTyrsl.EY took that opportunity of stag ygesting to the Court or Aldermen, who hod so ex tensive a jurisdiction iii the affairs of the wateriness, 'the urgent necessity there seistril for raising the %Sees (es they at p.rsent were establisheol) of oder men plying...4lllo riser. Every *sick of life had sled( several pee%re►eier advauceinviit is its pr ice Niue, t!ie waterntrie• fares heal been het int-wooed, and 4 1,, 1 fow l i t no t p0.,41,1, eerie a livelihood if they were to r. sews sto re than their lime fares ae hair" apaMished lay 111 W. The introduction of'• . Jllll M remedy this grievants., would, lie thought, .he lotieli more becoming on the past of the Cayes ration of the City of London. than riving any en. roma:gement to complaints evidewily oval's% the erection of works of public utility. Mr. Merinos' Wont) replied, that although the C.siort of Aldermen had it oil their power, by Act sif Porhoment, to apply some relief :is in the Modes gnat y.'ot the liteorert farm still the Court could Sul lireveot, by riiis:ttg their fares, the ruin which mart ensue Mouthd their itlyiei4 he altogether cat -off Belau bridge. as they apprehended. The IN lowers, iii fact, had prayed for an indemnity in the • event or the bridge heiog.slloweil In be built, 41,11 It 14/1)4114 rest with the Howse to entertain the sub- j •ct or Met: Mr. A Idernion Von then presented a Petition • Itroal one Joseph Je.innig., air the county of Somer. t•et. rmolsta tttt Itg non lie had been unfairly and un jowly assessed ut different rates to those of his orightsmirs to the I r'a rates, nod praying far re - t.; the COmmittee on the Poor'. Ile then mow. d for n Rrtorn of the Ammo, of Duties! lon Coil imported iato the thileretit ;torts of Great Britain nod I►eland for the last three err s, ilistougnishi .g the ain, tof duties paid to i•ai•h I,mt irsiwctirely.—Ordered. • Lord Lnsci.t.t.as presented a Petition from the itihntsirroots or Slit l►rryitsg that tlint town ini.4it be lighted with gas.—head, and laid on the Lord Mperon prs•sattetl m Petition from the Cot :ion tiyinwers ut I lnlilaa, in fivour of the rim ror regnlntisig the I rs. of I.llinior iu Cotton Factories. —ltomt, awl said MI the tilde. • Lard hitt:l . ov presented ti Inhabitants of th.liormigh, in York-line, against the is4eiscleil niterst;fllll2 , iu the Poor's Law. elms be inre suit laid on the table. Mr. Planet. fdt extreme satisfaction nt having it in his power to I,sy before the house the Petition be 'then held iu his hung. It referred to the question of excessive litlntur in factories, to which such fur. (lama allusion hail bee n made in soul out of the llosse . by iyetitires and otherwise. It was u petilson from a considernlils. part of the town of Munclicater, the signatures ußiz, d In it, amounting In 1,731 in Number, were of ,o very fiat respectability, soil from the cunditinu of she sul►rcribing parties, it was thus' be phi listed to make this thing like 'luring to inK that asserted upon possess:ion. • csiwtelic ~..cung con labour, and .11 manus. brew also that ad _ opinions of corroborating the befiltll. opinions of London practitiotirts, - unacquainted, in point of fact, with she actual situation or cuudilioll of this ..f mechanics. It hod also been said that the signottires &Axed to fiefs Orr I'oll6olo hods . in some iosial.c, 5, been those of persons actouted by tl.BClllllellt, 111111 teen u of I.wriditre. If *toy thing could 'more these objections. he triiiitrii It would be the prt‘rtil Petition. it nag in the first place signed by 1,731 of the most respect. Wile inhabitants, who most fe elingly deplored the • distressing sitnation of those labouring manufac turers, whose labour was nor atone protracted DO us eves' to trench sou the hours absolutely necessary fur • the repose of humanity, but exerted iss a tempe rature of soars titre sae warmth. that st must be c onsidered highly prejudicial to the system of even the most robust. They in the strongest terms re monstrated, rroiti their knowledge of its preirollici..l effects, against the practice of rousing children of extremely tender years from their beds at uit seationable hours, in the most rigorous season, so their unhealthy mid unremitting labour.— A got the signatures to this Petition would he those of tire Magistrates/A the town and neigh. u hued, amounting to nine ill number—id . It toe resdoet *Swoons 21-wlllt. Ilse dere/men of the *strict 20, of whom 17 were eats Established Church. Of the 1148fgrouts there were three con. smutty is the habit of attending the Manchester tee.. firmary. Tires the Petition embodied every spe cies of testimony which could he respectable. either as to professional knowledge or general disinterest edness. Ile would not even now say that this body of evidence uoirlit to Ise conclusive no to the 'pro priety of adopting all the clauses of the Bill pend ing la k ftere the !louse ; but this he thought it had lorovedSsecond a doubt, that there should be but me opinim . ► within that House as to the prejndicial nisei desurtwtive coosequiences to young childrets, nod even to adults, of ustreraitting cud excessive laboisr„iit confined and over-heated rooms. The Petition was then rend, which purported to he the Petition of the undersigned inhabitants of Masitherner,, Salford, awl the neighbourhood, in flavour of the 18111 now pending fur regulating the flours of Labour in Cotton roomiest. Mr. Pummel Colloid not go into the discussion at present, but he would only observe, that if the opinion:li expressed on the Petition were so generally entertained iu Manchester end its steighbonrhood. it was rather extraordsoory tlwre had no greater slumber signed it. out of a population of such 's trut as that of Manchester. Ile was rather appre hensive that the medieal sulawriber to this Petition was the same verso.' with had already admitted in a ptiblicatiort of his, tint the opinion lie hid given was owe formed from general impression., rather than from inducti 0000 of facts: Ile had b e . fore mated, and his lamination too was derived from the opinions of professional men, ar;,;uiast: from actual oloservetion am! intlnetion of facts, that the health of the labouring chew in the cotton moon. factories was generally better than that of persous employed in factories of a different descriptiou. Sir FRANCIS BURDITT could not see how any man could maintain seriously, that children of ten. der years, called from their bells at four o'clock in the morning. and a!ssiost unremittingly noticed %toil esioe, should not .Ise excessively Homed by such treatment from one initutlea or year roll to stseolltre. lie hoped tlw Home would see the ne cessity for counts. , without delay_ to some reined's., regulation on subject. Whatever was slime thereupon should be dune quickly, if intruded to be done at ell. Lord STANLST entered into a cotnparative esti mate of the pmgress of disease so children thus mu ;slaved,. contrasted with it ill others not so employ ed. nsfro 'inversions! estimates Issi'l before the (louse, and felt disposed to inter that the representatiow, contained its these Petitions had beets at Ita.t iu this respect overcharged 'wanly low-third. slr. PERI, and Mr. l'utt.t.ors explained, cud the Petit was ordered to lie on the REFORM PETITIONS. Kir F. flußourr intoented Petitions from Need ham, Market Halifax. Alinley, Preston, and Mary le-baste, pra)ing fur Parliamentary Refustn. COPYRIGHT. ?.Jr. S. SUITII presel;l4;tetitinti from Messrs. Longman. Ilaust, Kees, Or►ue, sand llrowii—five gentlemen whose conduct in business errs the sub jeat of general eulogy. although condiscting the largest hisokselling trade in this or any other coun try—stating. that owing to the present system of copyright, and the necessity of supplying, gratis, eleven public libraries with copies of each wink published by them, they had incurred a lass of 3,0001. within the last four years ; and praying that the (louse would be pleased to auseud tlie law rela tive to copyright. The Petit' was read and laid an the table ;us was also a 'lair Petition on the part or Messrs. Lackington awl Allen. booksellers, preseuted by Mr. Illastassastsr. I .. . • If 4itia I . I#, . . ? 1: f t . !I I ', !, il I i 1 A : 0 * ol ~ 1 , . - 1 1 ill, - - 1 I . 1 i i 6.. is . Mr. FlNLAYprom..nlrd "" Pe itios fns the elision *pi nom of liiosgow egotism the Comm Spinners' DIM praying 'bat tier linear traitial sant interfere is the apportsesawnst of a. in n" in 0004 ' behartee. assati prays prriatheial to ' , their individual laternatn, aid that of trade griseralty. He man iteenestell a inattlar Pelhtioa flans Derby. Gad L uerLiq p►arolr.l a sinsilor Petition from FAL. ins. awl. L.wd haass.as astaittar Imam Iteetnadatie which ".-.r d e severally mai, sod laid as the table. thry eosilil he rtiinulated to inn opplicatioet to l'ailimment throng!' any thi interested ninny'''. Ile felt happy in intro& the attention ails". I 11111Pe • dOCY Meld con Wini specie' or rvid. 'Divot!' 'which it had lieeli Nolse•fit runner evening the House was not yet in pos Herrin was contained the evidence of the c eye-witneysee or the injurious need stilielic wiper:cm of the rystem of excessive lobo' tonreositinord confinement in the cotton fretortenrujiaittTWF4filiotarliouil. It kid Ist is source Itt objeetitin on a lino occasion, I though taw* boil hero olitaineil tier olio home dl.lirl~ai•hvtl physician" corrnhoratit general opinion, that ouch hours mid r seem isiteri lull were (liftmen unfavourable to these were nothing snore than the epic PORT OF LONDON. Mr. MAN NINO brought up the Bill for increas ing the mceommoditti tttt for shipping ro the port or London, which liss reed a first, mid ordered to be reed is se• • I time. Sir R. I'EEL moved that the consideration of the Report of the Cotton Spinsiers Regulation Bill should he poatpoiled until Fritlay nest, whichb agreed to. LEATHER DUTIES REPEAL HILL UM! A i.;tioar usovrd the Order tot the Day, dint Ike blither Dutie. Repeal Bill be then mad a stcoad time. Mr. C. GRANT rose to mike a few observations on the general measure, and submit to the consi deration of the House those arguments which hail determined him as to the expediency of proposing an amendment to the motion now before the House. He felt no hesitation in :avowing that there was nothing condemnable in any body of the coin moony, 'whether a trading coiuirxiou or otherwise, applying to Parliament by Petition, in any case where they felt or even intigined them selves peculiarly aggrieved. lint he could not help adverting strongly to the peculiarly singular cir cumstances under which the iiiii neimis Petitioners ou.the subject of the additional Tax on Leather had come before that Home. This trade, in com mon with all other branches of our trade, had beets for the last century making rapid advances. All other species of trade Had progressively contri buted a larger share to the necessities of the State, in the shape of taxes, whilst the leather trade alone enjoyed an elemptiuti from increased taxa tion, from the days of Queen Anne up to the year 181 e, a period of 100 year.. It would be difficult to say why it had been exempted, especially when it was considered that it was not merely the sionnual amount of the tax that r•luruld hare pointed it out as a Lit subject fur add& I taxation ; but also that its amount, one would naturally suppose. would•have been considered ivith reference to the increase of the revenue on oilier berm-heti of trade, an d the gradually increased irriee of every other article, as totally inadequate to the share the trade should hare contributed to the exigetivies of the State. The fret upon which he rested his opposi tion was, that whilst all other trades, increasing aids the growing prosperity of the contrary, have borne an equalized share of a layabout continually creasing, this trade, although also increasing with the common prosperity, has not for a century had any additional demand made upon it ; and when in 1812 the Legislature avails itself of the as sistence of the leather trade as ■ snake or ro refine, the table is crowded with► Petitions, en trefoil% the House to allow them to remain in the same state of exemption as they lonl done for 100 years before. Would such confin e d he faielowa‘rle other trades? Certainly not. The only posisible ;4rotind 'you which the ruplicution of the Petitionera could eland at all would he. exhibitieg proof that the trade hid declined imm e diately upon the impo sition of the tax, and 'continued to decline; and eveteltere it won'd be necessary to prove that the trade bad suffered through the tux, exclusively of any other iinpediment or unpropitious cif...em inence. But an far from this hiving been the fact, the trade will he found to have tits wets in a most eximotilinary immiter doling the three rears which fidieseed the imposition of the additional ditty. It* depression sleet' that rwriod•could nut he nitribilted to the tax, but to well-known causes connected with the peace, which had in the same 'mustier le l...elect other trades. The tax had been imposed in July, 1818, when the produce of the revenue on this article was only 363,890/. per minium ; in the quarter ending July. 1813, it amounted to nearly double at once, 654,000/. ; in July, 1814. it con tinued to incregiee, nsul amounted to 667.000/. ; as it dui also in 1815, whets it amounted to 677,0001. So far the experiment of three years proved the tax had not injured the trade. But was it not clear that it must have no prejudicial consequence. for the nature of triode is. Vest tisie description of tax is paid out of the pocket of the coneutner ? —lle contended, that the arguments of the Yeti. flutters went to cnuiround the whole nature of the diffienltint affecting their trade, which merely suf fered in contains' with every other branch wham the eti insilus was withdrawn which gave it activity. They forgot the effect of the Act or 1816. nud its tea- Aeitcy to create the reduction to which they alluded in the amount of leather no which duty was !mid. Prior to 1816, the tanner was obliged to pay duty on the whole little putilown to undereo the processor tan ning; he could me touch or alter it during that pro cess.; he was liable to pay for all the supernuitiesof the hide, which were intavailnitle. to hint in the way of his trade. But by the Act of Isl 6 this Hwy was remedied. and he had now may to ;me duty on the real productive part of the hide. * The obvious effect of this was to reduce the general amount of ditty, because leas weight was paid for since the alteration than before—and, of course, a radii tires in the niaiii ailment of duty was the consequence. Celculate this reductiott at one-third, even one-sixth, and see how far it %slobd account for the apparent comparative (1 . without summit leg that the trade itself had suidergone any ad verse couree. shake also the fact, flint in a number of cases mei was eulealiiited for leather; this, with the ;risen', ilepiesstset of trade at the parti cular period alluded to. would account for the ap parent reduction' winch was urged by the !retie tiouers as a proof of the decline in their trade oc casioned by this tax. —(//ems f —I-le would go fur ther, and chew thst early is' 1817. when other trades retired. this also felt itself extruding., lit the year 1817, the revenue from this trade may be computed us chargeable at 611.000/.; 595,0001. bad been ac tunny collected. lit the very last quarter there had been an augmentation, as cemparid with, the preceding one, of 1,7001. the year ending 5115 January 1811, this revenue was 348.000/. ; in the year 1012, 395,0001. ; in 1813, 674.0001. ; during 1914. the first year of peace. it fell to 656.0e0/. ; then in 1813, it renamed to 674,0001., amid the augmentation was, in the early part of the year, • when the demand for the article hewn' to revive from the Got eminent orders and other cnitsee:. It rose and ft II precisely from the game causes that affected other melee throughout the country, amid i not from the operetta,' of any particular dilly tone posed upon it. The hankrupteies in tins trade were elm urged as a proof of its *decline; now, in his opinion. they were to Ise accounted for exactly oil the aloe principle as those its other pursuits. For just tit time period when they occurred, at the close of the war, vpectilntions its trade were carried to the highest pitch, and throe who proceeded too rashly were of course sufferers. That the tax slid lint press on the trailers wt's evident (rem the facility with which they paid the Government ilesnands, and; from the fact, that dwelt: the last year extents to the amount of only ‘2,0c0/. had heat issued against them. It was also urged, that the number of li censes decreased; the number in 1816 was 8,500 ; in 1817, 8,272. Another Inert of the argu ment was, that it was it tax ott the industry of the country, and reseed haul on souse of the necessa ries in life. De +sifters' that these should be pressed upon with a light halal ; but he raw no reason why the leather trade. which fur near a century had been left untouched, should have now a special ex emption. when time exigencies of the State required that the necessaries of life should, to a certain de gree; he trenched upon. Ne was astonished to see this trade appear all lit once so anxious fur the inte rest of the agricultural branch, when the latter had, its the case of the Coro Bill, beat actually inter fered with for the benefit of the manufacturing iu terests. To say that this tax ;stewed on the ueces series of life, was to press an argument more speci ous than solid. This was a qsievtion, in fact, con casting the general liwincee of the country. rather than of any particular trade.—(Hear. hear.)-- Gesstletuen opposite were loud in their declarueons that the revenue was muclequate to the expendi ture of the country, and yet in the very same breath they called fur an important reduction its that which, according to their own statement*, was already too small. —(liear.)—This messy he a mere debating argument agnisist Ministers; but ass this repeal to be tolerated for such a purpose ?—war that which was pledged by the natiuntil With as a security for the public creditor, to be thus lightly lakes' from him by a vweeping is:olio's of this kind ? This was the way to view Ilse sal ject—it must be taken top its a general gotealion, and with out reference to lucid Caries's. The revenue of time country had weathered the storms winds aloud eil it, and he trusted would still he preserved fur the solid and necessary interests of the State. and for the security of the public credttor. Hear. e— lle would. Ise these remelts, decidedly oppose the motion. Lord A LTltOlit." Does the Don. Gentleman mean to 44444 se any Amendment ?'r. Mr. C. Gus tun begged pardon. lie would now move as miss Amendineut, dirt which he meant to Inure dour, but had omitted. at the conclusion of lea apeechommely, That this Bill be read a second time this day six months,. Lord A LTHOltr fully agreed with the lime Get, Ileinau, that the revenue ought to Ile adequately supported; but he would ask, wile it libt also ileCar• . nary that the menufeeturing interests, which led that revenue. si 1111 l Id be allowed to trade so as to have the means of pitying it ?—(Bear, hear.)—The Noble tpril. in a very low tone of voice, replied to Parts of the [lon. Gentleman'e !speech who hail pre ceded him, and pointed out the peculiar situation of the leather trade, which was not free, as was tl►e ease in others. The reduction of licenses evidently 'thrived the depreciation in the trade, and a review or all the details mititifestly chewed that a repeal of the a dditi o n a l duty was indispensably necessary. Lord Damien ? said, that some of the Peti tioners merely prayed to be enabled to meet the fo reign int ttttt favorer the market, which they could not do as the duties now stood. Mr. DANT DAVIS begged to explain the vote that he was slow about to give. which worth! Ire different one from that which lie had recently given on this question.—( Hear, front the MThisteriol Beackes.)—During the holidays he had taken great pains to inquire into the state of the leather trade, and the result of his inquiries among tl►e moat in telligent into was, that the repeal tilled for was minecesenry.—elfene. I—tie held in his hand a let ter from a very eminent tanner in Bristol. who had as thorough knowledge of his own interest as any other Milli iii the trade.--( Hear, from Me Opposi tion Reaches.)—Here the Honourable Gentleman read au estrivet from the letter. which set"fortle, that the town and neighbourhood of B,iatol had not petitioned liar any repeal, from u cotivictiOn that neither the manufacturer nor the consumer required it, and also becesute there was at present a visible alteration and improvement in their business—it further stated, that the reduced amount of the duly paid by bunters fur the last year or two was not occasioned by a Ealing off in the trade. but to the large manufactured stock on halide, from the ex tenvive purchases made from South America after late, and which being laid ill largely under fa vourable circumstance,. answered liar the years during which the reduction alluded to had tti* corred. The trade of course suffered with the ge nera mass, but was now fast reviving. The greater facility of cot ttttt totication through improved roads. &c. throughout the country also made some tunnels embark on a very large scale, and supply the neigh bouring towns; this necessarily reduced the number of small traders, and created the diminution of licenses alluded to. He would, for these reasons, oppose the repeal. Mc. METHUNN said. that from all the informa tion he had been able to collect io his county, the tanners were %Institutin it' calling for this repeal. The one alluded to by the Hun. Member, was the only exception that lie had Iteittd.of.—(Hear.) Lord COMPTON had also local knowledge of the complaints of the tanners to the existing duties, and of their oppressive effect on their trade. Mr. HART DAVIS explained. Mr. 111 ARNY ATT begged 'to explain his vote, which, instead of being opprised to that he had for merly given. like that of the Hoie Member for Bristol, would be in perfect consistency with his former opinion. —( Hear.) —Respectable its might be the opinion of the Hon. Member, and of the tinnier whoni lie load consulted, he (Mr. Nl.)'nuld Dot help thinking that the House had a far better criterion to go by on a subject of thw kind, and that was the opinions of the tanners throughout the country, who, to hundreds of I'etitiutts, loyal laid , their grievances before the llouse.—( !fermi—lt would have been as well, in viewing the subject, if the Hon. Gentleman near him'( Vli. Grant); hie stead of dealing in general p Soles, had confined himself to particular facts.—(llear.)—lle would have then found that the export of the umnuou factured article had doubled since the additional duty, while tl►at of the itianufaCtured had der:retie.. eat to less thalamic-half what it had twevionsly been. For the five years prior to 1914, the *mown or un rnanufioctured export was 5,003,695 lbs. weight— for the five years since it :vas double that. During • the same perinda, the expurt of the manufactured' article was. before IN ht, 2,449,79.0 lbe.—siiice, it i was less then one-half that ninotsid, so that the . operation of the Act was to doubt, the export of the raw material, staid to 'educe in the proportion of one-half that of the manufactured article. The foreign manufacturer was, therefore, thrown into other countries, of course a great home than must necessarily coetinue. But how war it car tied on ?-.W114 it Wit obvious that ;he sum thus raised was drawn from une pocket into another ? The tvoor, therefore, paid their part of it, and the rich were obliged, in the shape of poor's rules. to supply the means thus withdrawn from the lower classes, by an au impolitic tax of this kind. The wealth of the manufacturer was the great source of the revenue, and by his industry and activity taxa tion was largely supplied for the interests iii the State. This tax vitally affected the reproductive power of the manufacturing interest. and it only viewed three or four such lei tidietous initials to cut tip by the roots the resources of the State. He should, therefore, vote for the repeal.—( Hear.) Mr. BENSON said, that lie had nip doubt what was said by the Honourable Member (4r. H. MAO, correspondent the Ginner, namely, that he knew his own interest right well, wa. true. — (Hear.)—lle also thought the II sable Mem lor knew his sawn interest vilso, by withiliniseig from this vide of the House to the opposite.—( Hear, bear.)—from every quarter of the country this re peal was called for, and he trusted the House would yield to the players of the prilli tttt era. Mr. IlauT DAVIS—" 1 desire to know on what grounds the Honourable Member, or may man, presumes to say, that in any vote 1 give in this House I am actuated by motives of self-interest ?" ( Hear, hear, frost Me Ministerial Beaches.) The SPEAMER—" Had I conceived that the ex pression complatried of by the Hon. Member was iiitended to convey the personal reflection which lie seems to summate I should, as It Ntlitiit liner beet' lily duty, here at once interfered, and called on the Hon: Member to have given a suitable expiator tion. He will no doubt explain the interpretation tint upon his words."-s-(Hear.) Ms. Bassos—" I really meant no personal re flection on the Hon. Member for Mimed in what said. I merely thought that on the eve of an election the Hon. Gentleman might have resorted to ' a little manoeuvre of this kind to promote at purti cubit' vtil l —( Hear, bear)—but I mea n t nothing personally offensive to him." Mr. LUSHINGTON stated, that the result of every inquiry he had been able to make was ugainst the alleged necessity for• this repeal. The Hon. Mem • ..• ber (Mr. Marryail) had entered into some calcula tions which were wholly inaccurate ; fur so far from the difference being as he stated, between the ex ports for the five years before the additional duty, and the five years subsequent, the amount et* duty paid during the former lie* was 52,000/. and in the hitter something over 51,0001.; the difference was therefore but very trifling; and it was not fair to expect, when the duty was doubled, that the antomit received should be doubt priodOctfve in a time of ovace, on the comparison of the sum re ceived during a war demand, if this repeal were curried, the effect would be, that 160,0001. of reve nue would be literally taken from the public l ond put into •the pockets of the tanners. The public must also see, that if this tax were reduced, another, of equal amount, must at once be substituted to spoke up the deficit.—(Cries of Hear, hear.) — He fully agreed with the statement that a reduc tion of 21 licenses by no means chewed that the trade was iu adversity, but rather that the large tannerie. were absorbing the smaller establishments. He could state one circumstance as a positive fact, amid it was, that the great hoiise of Brewed, of Her. niondsey. had /ten gradually increasing their trade durifift the last ten years. They had gone up in stoma payments of duties from 5,0001. to more than I'i,oo/.—( Henr.)—The price of leather had also this year increased 20 per cent. The leather tax was, lie maintained. not taken from the pocket of the homer. but from that of the consumer, for the former was not celled to pay It until he had sold the stamped hide; Until HIM this aside had for a century been left untouched, while all others were coiled upon for contributions. If the measure were conceded, the drate6ek must necessarily be re pealed, and the currier would lose the benefit of it. Mr. Msitays.rr explained that he had taken his calculations from the official returns signed by Mr. Hobseu, the Accomptant-General. • The returns had been presented to the House on the 9th of March. Mr. LUSHINGTON said, it was Hobson against Hobson, for he also held the Returns of the Ar. comptant-Generat and they bore more on the point, for they stated the export of the manufactured Mr. BaoUGHAM, in reply to what had fallen from the Secret a ry of the Trietsury (Mr. Limiting ton), &sited that if this tax were repealed, a new one should be I lid on in its place. This was not the practice of Gentlemen opposite, out of whose book he would now taken leaf—fur tem years ate), when the Property Tax was taken from them, in stead of calling for a new one, they very properly revised their Estimates, and reduced them within their hear.)—The same course they would again pursue if this measure were re. pealed. They isoohl stud for their Estimates, mid look over the many useless items they contained, so us to make a reduction adequate its the ltin,ooo/. which this tax furniehed.—(lieur.)— The House would hear in mind, that no one actual estimate had yet been speCifically voted, so that they hid all before theta open to revision. The flonourithle :Wernher for Briitol had given as the reason why he altered has vote, the opiniots of a tan ner in Bristol.--(Nr. H. Doris here said, ." I did not give that as my reason."/--Them (comiuued Mr, Brougham) the Honourable Gentlentass has given au reason whatever for his change of sentiment. It was said that the tax did not fall on the tanner, but on the consumer: be it so, and that was the very reason why lie objected to it; for it must be obvious when it fell so heavily upon the consumer, the con samption must be reduced pro taste, and the ma trufreturer thereby suffer. His chief objection was the unequal pressure of this tax—it involved an ab surd principle. fur more is indirectly lost by its opera tion than is directly obtained by the enactment—its sheet tendency was to increase the price of labour. Like the Poll Tax, it fell upon every body, without having the same equality of bearing; nay, worse thou this was its effect. for it bore most heavily on those who were least able to pay ; for inetaace, the peasant who necessarily wore heavy shoes (stud the duty, be it remembered, was paid ou the weight) paid con siderably more than the Getitleanan who only wore light outs. He lied uniformly opposed this tax since its enechsteut, and would now usust cordially vote fur its repeal.--(Hear.) Mr. 111USKissON observed, that the Honourable Getidestran who had jest sat down forgot the ference between the Property Tax and the Leather betties. The former arms merely a part of the sup ply for the year, while the latter was solemnly pledged on the faith of Parliament to the public creditor, as a pert of the permanent taxes car ried into the Consolidated Final. The Right Honourable Gentleman said, he had 1 stened to all the arguments made use of by the Noble . Lord opposite, and by those iedividuals who sup ported hits motion ; he had also read the volume. sows tracts published by the gentlemen connected with the leather trade. on this subject.--and, after 'Vying the must mature coneideranou to both, he was prepared to say, that if the circumstances of the country Minified the Legishiture in revising all •the taxes, and in removing those that were most obnoxious. the leather tax was lint the one winch, in the first instance, he would recowtuend to be abolished. There were many others that operated inure unfavourably on the consumer thau the tax in question. This tax did not fall on the tamer, lint on the public. who consumed the article. Tine Winer was the person on whom the tax was origin ally levied, but the public alone paid it. He be lieved, that those who voted ag dust the tax could ant lave read the statements of the tanners, wh i.e interests were said to he so immediately concerned, or they would not have argued as they had date. The statements of those (stemless's.* proceeded un this itestimption, that the tax operated, oat to the iiOry of the consumer, but of the tanner. This tax had the inielforttine to be laid on three yeses ago, at a period immediately preceding one of the greate.t piessere and difficulty that this country had ever experienced. Navin been theft intro. deceit, and not having produced the full amouut at which it was estimated, the Noble Lord came birwaril and made that a ground fur repealing it. But, if he rested his case alone on the diminutive of the tux, and not on the public pressure, or its operation is inducing individuals to give up the trade, he might have found a much stronger rea, of the saute description, for removing other tat o. The business of a maltster had been already allud ed to, awl s Noble Lord had stated the diminutee e t 1