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I _ . . lootO4 pill. then it its Mid the Noble Lord at the head of the Excise takes.uoon himself the re of Mr. Hill's 14E.spacitutson ; it was somethilig new, or would have been couxii,ered Ito at oilier tense in that House, fur one person to s3v hr trek the rerponsibility of another upon himself. It II 11 heen asked wised he have siisiniawd 41i ? To which I . answered, yes. (in the .inject of reseime, for the benefit of the public. he would• rather have had in innocent, inexperienced young man, than one who was repent:aced in the tricks and fraud. of office. In a public charai/er, 'dowse. ty was the drat thing, character the next, awl - *W itty was not to be considered in the same die. fhen it had been maid Mr. Hill's abilities had lo fu his recommendation. Here the Right lion. Bart.. re ferred to his evidence before the Comininsioaers, where he Lid that the excise laws were so intri c rte that he emeld oat anderetend theta, mid thence necluded him Gnat for his eppoilitineat. As to his tienwledge of Mr. Hill, he never saw 111.11/Maine till he env the Report, and lie knew neither bun istouoy• of his connections; the first notice he received, front a erivaterosinox washy an nnonyinous letter. Whe ther Hull or P ig were guilty he could got pee neid to say. Fanning was charged by Coeur:its w i th iashosesstio i , of nerjury, and had solicited to he tried. lost had been refoled. . When Hill received twenty poilleif a M0. , t11. a regular Sufi; it nos no fee, it was a brew, but did not become a stetuable etfletee till liethS. Two mouths after that Act had received the Loyal /talent, Lill, continued to ft:- wive that bribe, and where an Art of Parliament la cl been Newel, it tire-site the particular duty of that Ilona- :o !solve it enforced. NV llt iHalt .41141 :het ma iinprtrotoo had One alit •sit. that a number of Members of that House II • I • siuroperly obtained their nests ; that u Noble L••, I had attempted improperly to obtain a seat Iriery;--4his imernoaoi, the [louse wished to countersue. Than agesu it is broadly asserted, that the (env-rnsurrit are corrupt ; this also the House • .:e..1 to contradict ; hut whet would the country the when a men, found to have been guilty of Lathe: a Isr.he, tai d •fent the purpose of his office, is 1 11), Mil' • te e ;••••(1 'pat hy. appoiatment to a higher office ja • .tier • flit oar houmt.inaus could vote in hi» fit ..1 he was at u loss to reconEile with his idesei of r. ••.• The qn • I,e;ng loudly called for, the House divided, whit ten- appeared-- For the e - viols gametal 77 30 %mast Sir Join Newport's /14‘..in IRISH ?TYRE& . . Mr. PAR*Ett ..ated. that as a forivier motion. relative to a Comoiotatimi of Tythea lea Ireland, had /*l .. * rejected. items the ground of the want of sufficirait information being yet obtained upon the subject, he hid: iii pursuance of his notice. another 'notion to suhruit to the consideration and stritiptien of toe House: Tile Howe were called upon to woke Jahn- envier to those petitions that hid heett prewated ;o them ; . *e.l as at preptinstory one., he coati we its wale] emend for ol j. etiag to what he slo.nhf LAW tmteerrc, which That en taunt* A•htr,ss I. postale': to His Majesty, precirur that he 'fillet be vat-on-soy 'lewd to direct a ave ✓ edemaosiftri.o so Ice apptihrril, to Infinite into the mode of eoileeitne the Tetl.es to Irclaail. snit, also such other matter. CV4 . 1•Ct.41 therewith, as they ehould tititek lengthy tb , :or attention, and ...report their .ipius,io thereon " Mr. ()MIDAS (ticeretary for Ireland), opposed the '-"ion, epoo the ground, that twfore they went.' the lete;th of addressing the Kiug to vrewiiiit Coal oat,ftennero to isrit.• such inquiries, they should first he satisfied. that some prachioilile measure conhl he oropose.l and adopted to remedy the .eoleeoinpluinell of, *nil acknowledged to exist, In re...;ard to the buyiiig of tytheis. It would only tend to raise the exee•et emus of the people, while they saeild not realm-. titer. The limn Gentleman must be *wore, that the ft flings mid pa-aions ladiei•lU.llS were already WO twitch alive atpou time aishieet, thresigliont every district in inlaid; beside* the house were not it present ' el,mriteel of info/elution nixes fresh subjects. It might us well be said. *that they could not le, gi.late us to the tithes in Scotlaed. without atiticio t r an Inquiry ; whe.-ecs it *44 well known that a leas was lately palmed missive thereto, merely u•dion the state treat of those acquointed with that country. Hif demisted of the rape (henry of the mode of ieitr'ry pro;ersed, and e 1... of its areeesity, us sta.:seat inforin..tiosi could .be derive,' from t :endemism 'connected with the seiter• kin: 4 4mo. Alr. MACIRICIR Ferx.isatt.D expreesed his sur prise et bearine , siscio nU .naisai•i!iun to this rusti,n, as the fnriuw'r noes had beans opoeveled upset the groom! of there brio; a want of sidlleent iofoni 'nation. respect to exciting dangerous ex pectations in the minds of the fseople of Irelaiid._, by the messere pmpowd, he could assere the Right Hon. Gentleman, that they could only be excited by the coatinnauce of the present system, and he was persweled the inqiiiry would hove quite an opposite tendency. There were parts of Ire land where the most serious disturbance* had been, exeittol within these last two years, upon this very subject; aired he WAS sorry to say, such had been the case in that very part which he had the ho nour to represent. He was convinced the Right Hon. Gent. when he leteame acquainted with the actual foam of the tytlies in Ireland, would retrii••t his opinion nod sentiments in a fiiture sessiou.— There were many abuses existing there, which did • tint exist here. From the sentiments generally ex * pressed in the Reese upon a former night, lee W3 l . Pure that an inquiry ',m i ld be the best prellininery to any toeissore that Puilintnent could adopt to re medy those evils. He aimidil touch npou a few of the griermicies relative to the raising of tythm in Ireland, its soder that Gentlemen might contrast them with the mode adopted in Eliglaurl. In *l - 4 0 ) . 11ete4 the t, this's were collected by the a..tent• of she. iliceClergymen in the most severe mender. It was mien a central habit for clergymen to art them op to eviction, stud sell them to a respectable ten lot, who einaltivel another to extort the ntwitiet from pow mid se•llloinnate If tech practices ijv England.. no 31 : - Puister ivould dare to d Parliamentary in • quire.—lii Irele.d. almost all the lower or .%••a of the pe .:Plc snhsi trd by cultivating the soil, and it snit ATRIA them nst particular this tea operated as 41 grievnite burden.—Even the tw tatrec civilian of the eeisent did not t ocapg the most rizftrir:s exections.—Theis war contrary to the iniu• , • , ciphs ot taxation a dopted in enuntry whatever. —.add to the 'milli...sof colt tiun, the plass of apportionment was far front being vaisiitable.—ln goose counties, such sir Ulster and t hstsusiugliti the putatoesgardeise were not tithed at all.—ln ;Keay, the I I the of potatoes wes tats of %is, per acre, mid in two districts tinge to it. it is. treble that act .—This he thought was a severe 1104.4 disturbances of the White Boys were solely owing to the grierancra die Tythe System iu those counts-see, where arbitrary modes Of exaction existed; while its other a , where they. -did lest exist, no disturbance bad taken place. lie ditl not wish to conned this inquiry with the l•queetion of religion, as Ise W 44 convitsced the Ca „tholics paid the tithes more freely and snore will ln4ly than' the Protested*. Tee former abstain from retina:nice, from motives of delicacy, sal to political disatfestion mingled itself with their diti duet ; the utmost they detininded, in any balance, was, that they might be allowed to deal ininiedi•• ately with the clergyman for the tythes. If the matter of tytlivs was to bee the sub-. jest of future discussion, it was surely propet: that the Home. should •be prepared far In the views he had in regard to 4 cotansinsition of tythes, he thought nothing but a cciinitletesorm mutation would ever tranquillise Ireland. It .would put the established chtirch on a happier footing, and would afford pro ate,. encouragement to agriculture. It was quite paredexteal that pas, lure lands should be riciapted from airy prtssiium to the church. linked all the greet lauded pros pridore, sithough more interested io tile church establishment, were exempted from the payment of tythes, a cirrunistantie which was nsost diocese raging to agriculture, and en evil which could only be remedied by a cosennuttition of tytlits, by which every individual should pay his portion tu the cler gymen. finder these circumstances he should vote for the 'notion for inquiry. Due Das, in explanation. IMO, he meant to convey any other opinion, thee that this was a subject highly worthy of the consideration of Parliament. He thou&lit, however, That the in quiry proposed was unnecessary. Mr. Pustular raid, it would be highly satis factory to know at what pt rind Government would think fit to make any inquiry, or adopt any mea sure upon this subject. • Lust ',elision the Chan cellor of the Exchequer had stud, he hail even zone the length of prepariug is Bill to remedy these evils ; bet this session he said it was so full of diffitialties, that lie tsd Mntliet 1 ) 11 tr I , " poise, 1111, any measuire to adopt. When his lion. Friend (Mr. Parnell) moved for kiwi to brine ic a bill, the previoes clue-bee atm moved, for the waist ol informatics's—no telortnatiou War. yet procured. 'ltrid now the House were told it isits - tisatiecessary. The time was tint far distant when that Hight Hoit. Gentleman and all others Weeibl find that informa tion, as to Ireland, was indi-iwirsabiy necessary. The system of tythes was.a subject of gre it impor tance, and slim !el with great difficulties, but not such us were wholly insuperable. The argil. ments used against adopting this measure, were ti:e hest resisons in the world for taking it tin mediately into considerations The imigi - it was deferred, the more was Ireland expo-rd to calamities and aifficulties of steers keel. Why still the ili4tit Hon. Gentleman not take some step in the interval, since last 11"Saittlat to roe" , the information he wanted ? Why did he now say, diet stn account of the difficulties artilimportatice of the subject, be should take no step at all ? The subject was of midi vital importance for the tranquillity of Ireland, as well as of this country, that be hoped his lion. Friend wield take the sense of the Hoene upset it, stud that Government would slot meet the House with the same igtturate•e next session as they, did upon this one. As to ex eitieg dangerous expectations, how credit it Le sup posed that well a matter entild lot conducted seett ly? It was impassible te proceed in any way without exciting the hopes and expectations of the people of jitelenti upon thts Subjece—The measure pro posed by his Hon. Friend, approved to him to he both judicious awl temperate.—lt applied to the Crown, as to the Head of the Chervil, to inquire rule this church property.—lt place) the nomina tion of the persons composing the constuisition en tirely in the Executive Government, where it ought to be.—lle hoped that these repeated motions upon this subject would at least have /this good effect, that they would campel Ministers to adopt smite mistime to ameliorate the situation of Ire laud. Mr. GIIATTAX thought that the Commission of Inquiry proposed would not have the desired effect, as it had been generally found that such Commis- Gimes were inadequate to the objects in view, end rather tended to discourage the ntloptinti of a mea sure than etharwise. Even although such a Com mission were to deliver in a report, he should not Le disposed to reckon it •binding. He had been many Commisvions appointed By the Crown, but they had keen foetid never to go to the root of the evil, and rather tended to reconinteint a feeble than an effectual measure. He thought that it would he •better to move, next session, that a committiv he appointed, and that the loss of . this motion would not enthariass that one. • The CMANCIII.I oft, of the linCtirtnltta did not think that the" House were in ignoraiere with re spect to the stAtject or tythes in Ireland ; but hr conceived t h at the difficulty was how to end oat a practical mode of securing the proju•rty of the church.—lie had never objected to the former motion of the lion. 'Member, on acrostot of the watt of information ; but he objected to it, be e iii.e it was not a meavu:e capable of beilie adopt ed, for the reasons he then gave. Ile bed lint been remise in making inquiries. and had even pm duced a plan, which however he airmails found it necessary to abandon, as it njipe-nrsal.it could. .tot have the effect ilevired.—:-Ie readd not he persuaded that any inquiry, tither be eniunnsvion or cominittee, would Jo any good, for they dot not want information, b:st they wonted merely • Oen of how to get the better olthe (1415: nines they knew to exit. Sir Naas PORT Allitd% in AttpflOtt of the mo tion. He thought the a 11,441 1110i114 it were very extraordinary . . li they del not Ifiglittte It previous inquiry, the were sittempting to apply a remedy, without knowing who was tie. no t are of the disease. which appeared t,i he entirely a new mode of Iczie:atiog. If the result of time - 6..n.rititosion . .trol not istiory ILO Rolm, they ini;„:.l Lave recourse to mu* ulterior fur mil:stool. I s At id: events, the Noble Lord opposite--(Lord Cas tlereagh) was bound by his fortnir profestious. st • the Union, to find out some euuditiratious lighten the burdens of the plan oppressed peo. ple of Ireland. Instead of doing so, however, that Noble Lord appeared to forget all his pledge, for the public good, and merely to attend td those that went to provide for individual* whom he nod taken care to seduce to his barn standurti. That ' noble Lord professed to be the follower of Mr. Pitt—Sequitur rune passibus epic. If he were so, he ought undoubtedly to perform the pledges winch that Staining:oi had made. as well as to pwrform those which he himself bad ulidertaltm. If Mi nisters profuse to be the soceimors of Mr. Pitt. let them come forward, with one consent, end reckeild the pledges he had given, otherwise taey could not pretend to he other than unworthy succes sors. Lord CASTLEREAGH stated, that he knew of no pledge. whatever that was made either by Mr.' Prtt upon the subject, of tytlies, or upon • the Catholic Quastion. He should nioat distinctly deity that ever he Mid made ally pledgees to Ire land. Coined HuTeutesoN supported the motion. end 111 strong terms depeecated the 'conduct of the Noble Lord opposite (Lord Ctri(tlereagn) as to In land. He looked upon that Noble Lord as the parent of the Coion, and Ise,in ltrder tereffeet it,had made many prorinees;•-hut whenever any 'question, a, to the amelioration of the situation of Ireland came to be agitated, he tither put a negative upon it, or roused the previous quekt . If the Noble Lord thought he snould be hooded dower to pos terity, either for private virtue, or public po lineal conduct, he (Mr. Huttliiiemis) inu , t beg leave to be of a contrary °pillion. / l re tear cry of Order! order! and the SPEAKett inter feted earl observed, that it was irregular to allude to tilt pneate character of any individual of that horse.) If (said Mr. H.) the whole of the Country, were to stand up in support of that Noble Lord's conduct, he should he proud in stsoding • and station that he bad grossly discharged that public duty which he owed to that country celled Ireland.—How maw years had passed since the u sod yet siothiler had hems done to ardeli orate U. situtaboo! No.olie of the caper tat;ons of ifs unhappy people lead I -en answered, sorbing hut 11,•roov r fivc.....latiun Iced enaued.—Ala,entrea were greasily increased, the e 'pit hart been de sated. by its nobility, and almost the hole of the great landed proprietors.—'lush had brio preemie ed. but nothing had been performed. Mr. PartarLL said a few words in reply, and persisted levitating that he had been called npnis IiV.A Right Han. Gentleman, net then iii hit ! Amer, (Mr. Canning), to postpone his plan, upon she for suer occasion, of account of tit neat of rain or etion. He presumed .that it was °wire; to that Right Hon. Gentleman having so committed him self, he dirt not tletk proper to attend in his place, when he undcr.t.n.rf this inotiho wits to have cows forws:ll. • being or&red to withdraw. the. Howe divided-- NL/ta Majority asakat the Motion —7l Mr.-Wier:oLE. entered. 11 to a statement of 4414, abuses etisting in the luedical department of the army. He 'said. that nn! of 20,0110 men in the !Areal 13,000 fell sictims to in•:ttention.— He also molmtake t.l prove, that instead of ten per cent., 100 we cent. was charged upon me divines. lie would therefor! move—" That there be laid before the House a re% tin irof all the persons employed its the medical depgrtnieut of the army, containing also the dates of du it ropective appoint. meats.' Mr. PULTIN RV hail no ohjecboo to the motion ; he said, that a Board of General °Beer* had heen appnintrd to i.tpiire into the subtot, as they were conceived to he the most adelpuutl to the task. Mr. Hose stated, that the medicines supplied to the Army were more economically managed than those of the Nary ; there was out au tticrease of 100 per cent, upon medicine. Mr. WARDLE said, that he hail nc hesitation in rep i nin g his fo, mar assertion. he knew it tp be a I.r could prove it upon the authotity of a most reApectalde medical gentleman, that 100 per cent. chaAred 11 1 1011 medicines. ['totems the Commis sinners ;11110111111 . 4 saved the country 100,0001. a .year. they poolil not hai e performed Alleir duty. Itir. I'F:aLevar. multi, that if the Hon.tientleman had ihscovere.l any way iii which 1004001. e-year might be pav-d, lie should communicatti_that piece of information to the COMIDISSiOneryi in the dot in. stance. Mr. WOITBREAD thought that the Honourable Gentleman was misundrrstond. He did not state that 100,0001. would be payed iii hare medicine. Mr. WARDLE stated, that he il.d not pay that sum would 'e wired merely in medicine; hat in the whole medical estahlishmt lir. . . Afttr a few words from 31r. WALVO I t. the m tinn was agreed tn. Mr. MtanYarc said, that as he understood His IMajeety's Ministers did not mean to appose rie production of the paper hr intended to move tor, he would not delay the ilouse with any observa tions. Fle moved, " That copies of the notes wllich passed between Fite . 113j , sty's Minviters nod the Government of the ( 7 nited States, recplptinfg the repeal of the Orders in Council, and the re.tora. tion of the commercial regal:dittos between the two State., mid telvo coin... of the iststructinos vet the Secretary of State to Ilia hl,ojesty'a Minister in A merit.* upon that subject should he laid before the I lnute." Mr.CAlt RING Raid, that there could be no ob jection to grmiling such papers its :lure already Ire. fore the piddle. It was not usual to lty before the Monne the inatroctions itiren to Niint-dr , tt, nod, therefore, if it •Mil hot for the peenhar circum stances of the preartit mu, le• iiii4lit olivet to if ' in thi. instante. So &strong. were tits Abliestc'ti Misoi.iters to prevent taint had hoppenr-1. that they Gnat. the mast complete instr9ctitni• to the Minister in Americo. Vl ith rennet to thattent. he did not. mean 'thy IMnnaal dii.reveet to him ; hut certainly in an, rase hr WO r.l.iinte.nly loot iu consonance, hat in coAtplete contradiction to the Miler" no distinctly Oren. Fie writ to the full eaten: of the suhmis siour, without obtaining any one of the comes. •r!"r - r -- '"'F' • • . bions recOmmeoded. With reopebt fb tie GSM of the Chesapeake, it Was sot wove 144 ,d he settled to the satisfaction bf His N'aj; t - (,oven-meld thaii the Orders . in Cnuteit: .U.er ooe of the votes that had ptisset4 ttpon, that 6.1 b,; . • , the Wow must see, th4i voisuot Ukety to . to to a More amicable deterinioutams It ortvr ova.. the intentiou of His Majt-st)'stiovernrum/ tr, itakke4*, a gratuitous sitrreniler of the itystem which been acted upon, with, he would a •y j td the country. id, Isir.l"usibuttim sal that whit the Right ••Reint Gentleman had just declared wits so nano% ri ;it the buttery of the country, hr hoped tie ...mid penvit high to -pot a question upon the suhigett h was , unknown, he belierod, m tbe histo-y of the r!itirs tql) that tiny Miitater at a foreign court lout sets mf contrary to his instructions. qur nun tie wished to stilt err nM•di ut t having door so now, had sent haute any jitsotiea tinn of his conduct; and vflietiu:r l if he had. there would •be any objection to laying it ir , tdre ••lie House fie thonwlit it necessary to enahle thew 'to judge of the trhole transacuon, that this thoold be granted. • Mr. (:amatao said, that after the papaws now moved tor were examined, if the R: - bt konourabisr Gentleman thought proper to me for other papers, lie would then ueiciiss the 11. , -priety rir granting or with.holiliag them. • Mr. l'onsoudr repented hie question, to which Mr. CAW R 1:411: answered in the affirmat•ve. Lo r d litnae Perre wished fu- the production of the justitic4tion, as it ought putsibly he the care, that the art a s me r u irioug , • Lord Ilin•ror wished to know the cohunerciel situation of both cauntrie, Mt. t:•:s Nian Saßi. , • .t it war , ertainly a f;•11- ation of great canarros•ment. An ...I-renown'. un inthurised by the Court, had :dared them ita that pa etlicarneor. • After a few words from Mr. Air. WHITEHEAD. Alla slr. BARING, the frintl4l.l was, agreed to. • The Report of the Cutninittee of Shinty was brought up. Mr. Poligussy amine 1 , thit, from th- lat!cessi of the how-, it being tun, twelve o'clock, it wissid lie expedient to defer the consideration a' the Ftrplrt till to-morrow. Mr. Ytatutv•r. had no objection, if it *cold Dot juterfe., with other hinnies,. iVfan-rts said, that lie intended to wotion without any preliminary cagerzeattoino Mr. W. Sims thought it would be ritually we/- proper td !Mug it !onward at the setae hour morrow atight: cansideraram was deferred as animated. The Cestoms Cng.ll. dime Silt, ar are,. 1..., serrations from Mr. BARINO sod Fir. 14 -.45. reud a thud tube sod • The re111411111:g . Orders of thp pity N.. a - 6 1 to this awl tile ficirie istipurned ..t *'.• •If FAST ONE. A.UEKIC.4. sib.sv rout, *Mt. The eheeting prnmect of imam. arth4Oreat I;ri- Cain seems to h*v' le.:ed every heart as t• joy i I es terday, at satirise, noon, end soudua it. :ederal aa listra-sranr Oral from the Imite-Y, and the frigate C.:at/as/tient, lying in thw Kash Itivrr. The 1. 1 4, raw: field, and in the evenin►r'tllers cc. a gene . thronglioni tlie. gag. T he Meehai..• opFosite the Park, alwe nrnil Count • .of the Federal ttepirklicens was lighted we:. vat lash:, rind el..coraterl in Ines style. Every heart seem•::! to be gild .111.11. , ;:liug to proff,r th.niks to tl:a.e ..ho have aided in eff..ct ing this west desirable denuuegost.of sus late en pleasant difficulties. • ine told that, since the adjustment of nur differences with Great Uritain, Gm. 'lurr..ius, tae French Minister at ‘Varhingtro, rege.n..iter a •++.rl ball-frog. His whiskers present a frightfu. ap pearance, and he is swoliea with indig,.zuou ,to monstrous size. Aram il7. Independent or oat Independent —that is the question. Among the thicunienu iverch rye Inte Administration kept back. lest the ocopir should know what was going on is France. was the follow ing letter from Mr. Armstroug, which his ' ;e:y been discovered and published at Easton, sal y :141 .Mitteti to be genuine at WiaAingtou : IBITaSeTS •r A LIITER ►RUM MS. AtMITJD%C To SR. usuison.' eitaevAßT tt.t, 1008. 1 ‘ Mr. Patterson offers so good a conveyance that I eannots but employ' it. NoOm L h.is occur red bore since the date of my piddle dispatches (the 17th) to give to our buiine.s an asp e c t more fturuanthle than it then had. hot, on the other hand, I have conic to the knowledge of two fscts, think sufficiently *he* the decided character of the Emperor's policy with regard to us. These :ire. ' " let.Thet in a Council of Administration. held a few days pest, alien it was proposed to modify the operation of the I)trerees of November. 1806. and Daee•mber, 1807 (though tfe proposition Ives supported by the whole weight of the Count ii). he became indigaant, and declared that these Decrees should Auller no change, and that the Americaos should he compelled to take the posi tive character' of either allies or t•oemies. . " 2d. That on the th January last, twelve days after Mr. Chemptigny's written assurances, that these. I3ecrees should work no change in the pro. perty sequestered, until our discussions with F.itg laud were brought to a core; and seven day* be fore he . reported to me verbally these very WI. autronee*, the Emperor had, l:y n epeeist dcrviion, cenitlscateil two of our ships and their ear:raves,. (the Julius finery and Juniale,) for want mere• ly of a docitanciat not required he ant law sir ,stage of the• -ommerce in which they bad been engaged. This act wits taken. se Y amp iaforint d. or, at g' atmd report caf' aequestei cal eases. amounting to one hundred and +may. aid which. at present prices, will yield up wanls of one hue Ireil . of franc• ; a me n. • whose magnitude alone, render* hopeless eil et .. Ilempts of saving it. Dane*. Portuguese, aced one rims. will be the principal sneerer% If Ir m raglat jet euppnaing that the Lniperor has definitively taken kis ground. I cannot be wrong in concluding that jot will immediately take yours." I I - '''' ......-- 7t