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upou *nullity oression. Mentioned to IRO !hit Le was very much supported by Sir klotoco Stiv ; and that they had been lonic acquainted. He • told me that Sir Horace Alison desired hit* tp say he would be much obliged to rne if 1 wouill my influence with the Duke of .York to assist 'Lim (Kennet) in obtainiv.sr a situation in the 11 est Indies._ . . Q. Was the, second communication long after the Unit ?—A. No, it ads not. . . . . Q. Do you know that Mr. Kennet had, in the interval, seen Mr. Atkin 1 believe he had not. Q. Did you date to the Doke of York, that *hen the offer of moue, was spoken of toi a 'loan, &r Horace Manit woald be much obliged to his Royal Highness to assist him in procuring a situ ation Mr. Kennet's communication, in re sard to Sir Horace Mean, was subsequent to the o*r of a loan. I am almost certain that that comnsupication was made at the second interview. Q. Did you ever state to the Duke of York the Illissage as to Sir Horace Mann 1 did. Q. flow soon after Mr. Ketintst had informed rat as to that wish 'of Sir ['orrice Munn, slid you info:an the Duke of it ?--•A. Aluinit immediately. 00 you know what interval there %VIII, la.- the offer of a loan sod that consniunication as to ilorace Mann ?—A. I really cannot say. Q. Vies the loan seer accomplished P—A. 1 believe not; but I may state, that his Royal High se.* had not been in the habit of employing ate in his money traasactions. Q. Do you know any thing more Hs to the iv, goctatios shout t:,e Joao P—A. Mr. Kennet cellist' on me several tim's!s, and wrote to me occasionally; but it is very difficult for me, at this distance of time. to recollect what passed. 1 think, however, he mentioned to me repeatedly that he hail seen Mr. Adam, and complaint.' of the delay; tool at one time lie said he redly believed his Royal I figh. ne s e the Duke of York and Mr. Adam were itelir ferew about the loan, judging by the delay 0C1:41. 610110 d. I wish you to stute to the Committee what you know in respect to the steps taken by Mr. lino sad others to procer Mr. Klmnet a place. A. 111 coilselpiesice of 'Mr. Kennet's rontmnmea tiuu to me, and particularly tlrit in which he men tioned Sir H. Mann was lute itAcil in his favostr, I stated to his Royal !Ugliness Mr. Kennet's wish to obtain an one of those offices which were specnied by him ; but 1 do nut recollect wind they were. His Royal Highness authorised inelo write to NU.. Long nu the subject. I accordingly wrote to that i:entleinan, but I do not recollect writing any other letter, and having no note Of the sub ieet. I not not enabled to rna'.e anv rt.sfi•rritur to papers which would assist me in stating other par ticulars. Q. Was the letter. of which you have seen • copy. (No. In ' ) shewn to the Duke of York ?--A. I believe not, so fur as I caw recollect. Q. Was the substunce.of it stated to his Royal Highness, ?—A. I cannot say it aa> ; but I proba bly did do so. I certainly should have stated to the Doke such a letter. if such co,ninunicatiou were in tended for him. 44. Uo you know that Mr. Kennet ever olit tined ariy appoiutuseut ?--A. I watint 6aV. Q. MINA was your situation with the Duke of 'York N—A. Private Seeretary. M. GREENWOOD. Q. (1y Lori For.xsrop L.) lloyee recollwct Mr. lieleiwt coming to you to cousequeisce of* w i,!t ex prei.well by Colourl l'aylor, t.. talk about a lu.nt of roomy to the Duke of York ?—A. I do. dude to the Committee all 'you know us to the tretuuction.—A. I know very little lout it, except Mr. Kennet calling upon me, as I u,,- derstood by the Diike'a cornmandb. ti talkwd to him shout the :proposals he had raudetu Colonel Taylor. I thooght it was a wild pri-rposul ; re I did tot give it much credit, and 4.4 not much attend to it. Q. When was this I. I rannnt rvrollcrt Q. What was the proposal which the Witness states to have Levi) a wild proposal ?—A. A very large loan. without any thing repaired but per sonal w curdy. Q. To what extent was that loan ?—A. To the beet of my recollection it was to the ;amount of 30.00!11. . . . Q. Did Mr. Kennet state to you whit he wished any thing else than personal security for this loan ? —A. I understood his object was to obtain some appointment for a friend ; but Ido not recollect wit it amendment it was, our do I know who the fliend erns lie bud in view. 4. Do you mean an appointment uixh•r Go vernment ?—A. l efmebulell it was so. To the beet of my recollection it wus wine appointment in the West Indies. _ Q. Dtd you state this conversation to the Duke of York ?—A. 1 stated the substance of it. Q. What were his observations ?—A. 1 do not thick his Royal Highness made any other obber vatiou. thou that Colonel Taylor or Air. Adam bud directions to inquire almost it. Q. Did you ever suo :Mr. Kennet upon this snip. jest. after that time lie called on one several tunes. awl repeated In. utters, but 1 punt very little att,4ition to them. _ . Q. Did he then repeat his llPplivatioti for a situ ation udder Government ?—A. Ido not recollect that ha did mention that more than once, but in genera: our conversation was very short. Q. Did you communicate those conversetiotts to the Duke?—A. 1 do not think that 1 did cow mucilage all of them; but 1 remember saying to the Duke that I looked upon it es a proposal not likely to take effect. Q. Did you repeat to the Duke Kennet's wishes to obtain a situation under GOveniment ?—A. I believe 1 did. _ . (j. Did Kennet ever apply - for a situation under Goveruinent for himself ?—Not to nay knowledge. Q. Was it always for a friend ?—A. I always on . derstood him so. • Q. thd you know who Mr. Kennet was ?—A. I load beard he lama been ia trode.iii.l3and-street. • Q. Did you know what trade he eitrried Ns at that time ?—A. No. Sir. •Q. Did you know where be thin lived?—A. No • but I believed him to live beyond Westmin ster:bridge. Q. Did you know that he bad been a bankrupt ? A. I did not. Q. Did you ever inquire into his character ? A. No. I dui not; but I had beard that he was an tigditte,,:at character. V, yid you state your knowledge of him to the /believe I said I thought him to be a maa; iot to be depended upon. Q. Are )on certain you did so I—A. I Iwo no donut of lie Witness was ordered to withdraw. Mr. HTISKIISIOX stated; that lie 114 d. since the termination of Lieutenant-Colonel Taylor, con w CI that Gentleman in the lobby, arid that he (the C.ilintei) said, that if he had been asked farmer questions, he could have answered them. Ile asked him in what respect I To which Colonel Taylor aoswered, that it was with respect. to the conversations he had with the Duke upon this subject. lie therefore suggested to the Douse the propriety of recalling that llentleinan to the liar. LIEUTENANT-roLON EL TAYLOR. Q. (lit/ .Ur. ilus.titNiutc.) 1 to know whe ther, peudiug the Lliciswe you have relined. yon mole any inquiry Keiniet's character —A. I did nut; he was only known to we by Sir Horace rreorianiendation. (4. Did our friend state 10 you any thing yon now know fit bin ?-21. In consequence of his visits to the I lorse o..iinrds, where he "...true three or font. times. &noir or less, lie was met by a person who asked me, whether I was a..qiiiiiitted with hint, and whether I had long known him ? I said. I oily knew him from Sir Horace Mann's recruit mendition, Hod his subsequent communications with ine. Ile theti told me th..t lie had formerly kuusn him ; and, I think, Ito said he had bean a Stoek linker. that he had failed, a al that there were certain eirvinustan.:es attewhaig his fdlure, whith were not to his credit. lie thrterOlC cans tinned me him. Q. Did you communicate this information ? A. Ves, I did. Q. What passed Itetivuen ynn atal his !toys! lAUgliness in constincoo.• ot this info. ?—A. liis told uv. i i eismegionire thin e or, to drop rliTtilt.'1"11.•1:1011,1 iu his ilinsor. Q. la there silly circisinstasivi ,it to this communication, which ecco,lett, tinit i• mittens{ to the present 4ille-l!Ml?-11.41:1110i Sny I do. Q. (By Lora Fot.v.,ro.N. Do %on rrcullrrt whim that intiirmatina 0) ) is to Mi. K4'11:11:( ?—A. I ttttt sly 1, , -s o‘elv. Q. limn wh.•..i wiss it 'on gaine.l that inforam tion I um .iesireil ii, WWI 110 T Cate his name. Q. Did Kennet bring the letter of reeorn nen dation, in consequence ot• any wish expressed by ?—A. Ile did not ; it was spontaneous. l'his 11 itues withdrew, and the next tailed was WILLIAM ADAM, Egg. Q. (If ! Lord FULK•IO%I..) State what you know of cam transaction not recollect any th a ; Brit aut:l it was mentioned this night ; but as st.. Darr went on, and stated some circum stances, it recalled to ray memory some particular. of such a transaction taking place. The circum stance of the two notes and the letter having been par into my hands, has made that recollection still inor,•.aceurate, as far as it is possible for me to cull thet:curate at all which rests upon recollection at so great a distance of time. I remember having sews this Mr. Kennet upon the business of the pro posed loan, and upon that only. Nothing, as far a. I can recollect, was ever stated to int , by him that could remove the impression I had of it, which was, that it would not turn out a loan which could be entered into. I apprehend that *owl after the first interview, (if I had more than our with him,) I must hove left town for Svailairl, an d consequently have nothing of what was proceeding.' (daily thing' tea. proceedin 4.) I can only account fur that letter, written by me from ti,,it hurl, in this way pievious to my ili-partii:e fur illy resi deuce tlwre, I had been considering the different matters that I was to enter upon when I returned to t0%161, and hall been answering letters prepara tory thereto, and, lionnii4.t other., had written tine oa that subject. I (In lint veolleet ever having seen Mr. Kennet after my return, at the seine time I think it is probable I may have seen him, but the loan was put an end to, without any be ing dour. I think it right to Inv, that I knew ire. thing at all of Mr. Kennet when lie called On tae. This is all that I C:1110.111 to my recollection. Q. Did the lint. and Learned Gentleman make any inquiry into the character of Kennet ?—A. haven° doubt I did ; I must, though I cannot re collect of whom. Q. Can you my when ?—A. No ; hut I suppose after I returne I from Scotland. It mast hare been after my ret aro. Q. Can you soy what was the resale of that in quiry ?—A. That he was tint likely to accomplish the object; hi shot, such as Colonel Taylor has stated. Q. Did you know any thin. 4 of the application fur a situ:mon under Government ?—A.'Ne. • Lord EaLawman then asked whether Kennet was in attewlane? Whim Mr. C. W. WYNNE ob jected to his evidence teeing tiikrn. upon the ground that it Trunk' not he received in any Court what ever; to which the Noble Lurd immediately as sented. Ul4llll w 1 , 114.44011 rfolll Mr. PERCEVAL to Lor4 Fot.hi'roNl,. whether he had nily other witness to rd!? He replied in the negative; but did not know whether Mr. WkitOLE lied any. as be was then absent. Upos Mr. WARDLS rttorain to his Seat, lie said be and no other witness to call ; but he had some letters to lay before the Committee, which he actor litigly pre:Need. lie was then interro gated by Mr. LOCKHART. Q. Are those the letters alluded to by Mrs. Clarke ?—A. They are. Q. Will you state nearly at what time you re reived them ?—A. I rrceived than about two months since from Mrs. Clarke. Threw are letters from Officers to get farther recommendations, with blanks to be filled up. Mr. BIRRSIIORD said, it was not to he supposed that any Member would fill up those letters. It might be proper to call in Mrs. Cl.lrke, to know when she gave them to the Hou. Gentleman ? am. I, as they were written in different hands, it might also be proper to ask her who wrote them, and for what purpose they were written Mrs. Clarke was then ordered he ct!led. Mr. ADAM mid, he wished to pat a few tine.- tiono to big learned friend Mr. Adam, at tlir Name t;m he by no means meant to say any thing wine!' could in the slightest degree be considered offen sive. On a former crenin•' he had put Slain! (ion& tiOliii to that Gentleman, oil winch be was referred to his former evidence. Upon a closer examina tion of that eeitteuee, he found it did WA entity the scope of hts meaning ; he therriore hoped he would be allowed to put two or three qUestion& Mr. A ['AIMS expressed his willingness to ansa cr. 14. Were you consulted whether Mrs. Clatke's annuity should or should not be paid ?—A. I. did hot know that it had ceased. Q. The .Committee are to understand that you did not advise it should be stopped ?—A. No. 1 did not. Q. Was it known to you that the Duke of York r. fused to pay the *ty ?—A. I knew it in no other way, than at the time I emnintinicated with the Duke of York u•au the receipt of her letters. Q. Do you know the reason of his refusal ?—A. I do nut know the respective facts, but 1 know generally, front the same communications, that his Royal kigisairms discontinued it in consequence of an impression of Mrs. Clarke'', conduit not hieing such as was originally ineuut when the eunuity was first granted ; but I do not mean to say it was re• gularly granted ; she was to receive 1001. quarterly. Q. Did the discontinuance of the annuity arise owing to her being engaged in military appoint. longs ?—A. 1 have no reason to believe his Royal llipq mass ever knew she bud ■oy such engage ments. I Wish to add. with respect to the annuity, that the payment of that annuity did not tall with in the fund under my administration. I trust 1 shall be excused for tiespiticeing on the time oldie .Coutiuittee, but there is another point, not quite ►elevant, which I wish to state ; it is, that that part of his Royal Highness's income which he retained for his private rise or family purposes, is not in the least within the province of my trust or know,. ledge. All that *us within lily trust was appro p;iuted by his Ito) ill 1114hiless for the liquidation u. pry meat of the interest or priiicipal o► his debts. Q. At what %line did this impression on his wind tiike place %—A. 1 4 -1 011 . t I now, hut I will speak us iieurly as I two. 1 sr's, inint:sitA his Royal 11iL:trtiess had been subpaelietl 0!1 't trial. Vivre the lion. (i'llitletllllll was stopped , ou areauitt of this line of evidence being inadmis sible, and the last seatencis was ordertxl to be struck from the uniiiitcs.] MRS. CLAIR ma. called examiartl. Q. (By Mr. LW:IMA ar.) Are those the lei t erg which You delivered to Mr. Wardle, in ohJer, as you said. to facilitate souse negurintiou Yes. 11'lien did yua deliver theta to Mr. Wardle? A. Semi utter 1 'ot them front Mr. Donors*. Q. %% (lid you get thew [ruin Donovan ? A. l do not rccollt et. Q. They nre dated in the beginuing of the year M 08; Ind you thew in your possession frown that date till you delivered them to Colonel War -A.l oanntt exactly say. Q. Look at that letter, and say whose head-n it is ?—.A. I do nut know. • Q. Look at the letter \ u . 2, can you any whose that is Flo out ',now these handset all. Q. Look at No. J. eau you say whose that is ? —A. I do not know. Q. Those fete's purport to be certificates from officers. Did you give them to Nlembers of Par lisment in usilta to procure bi i zinitures for reounnititilatious. without kwiwie; whose lionil wfitimc the were i—A. 1 wive raw to Geo. taav ering. who inquired into thut fact at Mr. Green wood's. he had cilia precaution. Question repeated }— A. Yes. Mr. Donovan told me they were all correct, and written in the proper Illi4ll/1.1. Q. Did Donovan say they were written by the Officers they !purported to be ?—A. Veg. Q. Do you Laois Donovan'. build-writing ?—A. Yes. Q. Did you think they were Donocan's writing? %o. 1 t•ertaiady did not. 1 dia mut supixise Huy io.e would rot ik owl turn would pot his otgua. lore to another ktter.—(A Aigh.) Q. hid you put letter.' ii.tu the hands of Mem bers of liarliatnent. he 4 ging their sigiuitures for rte endations. aithcat reading them?—A. Yes. I supposed they wuuid read thew thenoldves —le laugh examine into than. as tienaral Claming had dont. Q. Whew did you receive them ?—I (Inapt tell. Q. Which It die original one in voli.ch the name of (seven t Lee is mentioned ?—A. I must leave that tulhe Hon. House to dud out. Q. How do you know which w Donovan'. ?—A. Any one may tell that in hall a moment. One iv a copy or the other, without ■ny direction uo the cover ; the direction I. cupped WI the bottom of the letter. Q. Are those the mune letters which you men tioned in your letter to Doom um oldie js;h of Jr inserv, to ate nevi:Ultima ?—A. Yes ; but Ge neral Claveriog had one. Q. The remuinder you gave to Colonel War dle ?--A. Ye.; he told me he would get *mut re commendations or Members of Parliamei.t. Q. You state, then. thut Mr. Wardle would get you signatures to false reconnueudatious to fur ward the aegociatimi:—A. Yes. lie put them to a different purpose ; he Wllll blUghlleg at me ; he said so to get jute the secrets of I/outman mid iu self. Q. (By Mr. TRACT.) Do you kisow the reasou of the onti-payment of the annuity ?—A. No. Q. W hat were the conditions?—A. Mr. Adam can tell; he proiuised. loth to sue aial my lawyer, that he would see it puuetually poid.—(d cry uf "Order!") Here the Witness said. she believed Mr. !teed was shoat to be c.illcil, which she thought ttttt ic , :esvtry, sue she did mit deny what he wag t.• called to contradict. Q. (By a Member.) Why did you allude in your kilo iii which you dei.ire to facilitate the cor respondence for army roinotiaits., to the two deaneries ?—A. la my opinion I did not allude to the• two dowries. I aid' lily letter otiny be refer red t... (4. eau you state the 511111.1 the Duke of York paid lur you ?—A. 1 do not know. Q. Was your coachut.m upon ho Ird uaerstP 4. When he wu. nuurieti he uent o s I (11m. Clarke again urged the Unproi,r,t) }testi living called, and asked. edit I her ahr sni s zlot nue tate the 4tOlge of the /Amer up au if '—'1.,•60(1 laughing, with cries of Order Order !) then withdrew. The CHAIRMAN 1111 . 0fRUNI the Committee ► that \lr. Read had bUILIIIIOIII'd :it 1 1 o'clock, and bud not attended. Some question, were then put to Mr. WARDLZ, by Mr. Lournene, as to what answer he gave to Mrs. Clarke. w hen site gave the letters fur sign*. tune..., to facilitate tic negoviation. To which Mr. WARDLE: replied, tint he did not at first know what was meant by the negociatioii, as he stated last night, but he believed he told her his friends were on the wrong side of the !louse. The letters she referred to were those he bad that teen- Mg laid upon the Table. Mr. WARDLE was then asked, whether he be lieved Mrs. Clarke right iu stating that he had promised to get her recommendations signed ? To which he answered, that he had said all he knew upon the subject; the question was several times repeated, and similar answers given ; Mr. Wardle adding, that Mrs. Clarke might think he did so promise her, though he could not believe he did. Mr. CIWILVa particularly objected to Mr. Wardle's auswer, and put the following question, as being direct : Q. Is Mrs. Clarke's statemeut tine or false A. After the way io which 1. have answered the Committee, 1 think the House are as capable to judge s% 1 am. (War ! Bear I) Mr. Canasta insisted on the question being re• pealed, and contended the Honourable Gentleman was competent to answer it. lie then It-ft it to the judgment of the Committee, whether it otit..;tit or might not to be answered. This produced a long conversation, •in which Mr. Martin, Mr. Bathurst, Mr. Whitbread, the Attorney-General, Mr. C. W. Wyune, Sir T. 'forum. and Mr. Barham, took a part. The latter Gentleman parti,a arly urged, that there 'anilla appartMt impropriety iu the question, as it was not a question of fact, but of construction, and the Committee had. been particularly cautious to tgli other•Witnesemis not to apeak as to opinion but as to fact (hear ! hear !) while at present the Hon. Member was desired not cooly to speak us to his own opinion,bist as to the opinion of another. At length the krrueNnv-GcNEmet. said. he would put is question which tuigiit satisfy the views of the Committee. Q. Did you, directly or indireCtly, promise Mrs. Clothe. to comply with her desire?—f4 g•meral laugA.)—A. Whether my taking away the letters from Mrs. Clarke might give her reason to believe I would comply, is, as I *toted before; more than L can answer. Mr. BEILESFORD wished to ask a few question• •f the Hon. Member. _ _ _ Lord FOLKSTONS stated, thit he never recol lected.* inure indecent proceeding. The Witness who was examining ut the Bar was ordered to withdraw until the arrival of another Witness, and then his Hou. Friend was examined, by way ofin leilude, until that Wituess should arrive. After borne time had been spent in questioniug him, not in the aunt decorous manner, the Serjcant was asked if the person for whom they waited was yet come' and being iuformed that he was not, the lion. Gentleman wished to put a kw more ques tions, to pass away a little more of the time. Mr. WMll9l'OllO said, that he had not commit,. nieated with u single iodividted round him, hot thinking that us favourable an opportunity as would offer, he therefore propased to question the lion. Member. If the Committee were of opinion flout this was not a proper tins.. he must nutimit ; but he would nut lease the House this nizlit until he had questioned him. Lord FouurroNL explained. 'Mr. PERCEVAI stated his motive for wiski. g to bring Mr. Read to the Bar; it was that he might identify Mrs. Clarke as the person who was with Mr. Dowler. The question that led to the debate VI its ant pot by him, nor diJ hi take any part in the debate ite,lC Ile thought that the Noble Lord, instead of stigantisiiig that side •of the House, in general, should hither have stated the persona he thought censurable. Ile would take astiiiiitage of this oppormeity, if the Com mittee would permit him, to call their Ltteutioa to a inset important circumstance, iiiaterialiy connected with the business then under in qalry. The circumstance to which he alluded, was a fact new to the House in general, but not uriktiown to 'nutty persons ou both sides. fie had kept it a secret purposely, till the evidence was closed, conceiving that the most favourable op portunity for its introductiou. lie begged to mute, that if there appeared any impropriety iu oitli holding it from the Committee so long, that impro priety was his own ; his Royal Highness was tho.t anxious that the communication should be made. The circumstance to which he begged to call their attention, was the soppressiou of a most material testimony, relating to the charge respecting Major Totiyii. That charge, as it now stood, rested upon the tvideuce of Mr. Donovan and Capt. Huxley Sande's, for the part which Mrs. Clarke had in the case, was trifling and unimportant. [Here the Honourable Mesulier read part of the evid, nee o f these Gentleineu, frarticularlv of Captain Sondes, in which he mentioned hi s . having prevailed on Captain Tonyn to wait for a few days longer, when he was anxious to withdraw his 01C1130759-• dum front Mrs. Cl:irks.] He could not, ht. thought, more correctly introduce the supprescion which he rode to nutlet., than by stating how he oh mined the itiforurtiiiii. About lest Saturday se'imight he had received a letter, by Colonel Ha codices, from Mr. Adam. This Colonel Hamiltou commanded the baggage curbs in which Sunder was u Captain. Col. Humiltou stated, that under standing Capt. Standen to be aerpmiuted with SOITIM. thing at' theatfair before that douse, lie desired bin to relate all he knew of the auhiect. Captain San dell accordingly acquainted him with many cir cis nistances ; all those, with the exception of one, he stated at the Bar. and that nue was the material stippreswion which lie (Mr. Perceive!) had risen to e•lll.tu:i. Cupt.-Sanden harl stated to the Colonel, that upon learning the dissiitisfaction of Major Tonyn. and his intention to %,itliilrair his security, lie told it to Mrs. Clarke. She lade him go heel:, and endeavour to persuade him to wait; and. iii order to induce him to think that she hail with his Royal Highness to effect. his business, .1, ease him a letter. purporting to hi' a letter from Duke of York to her, acipealitieg hi r that Capt.