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Ain nine out of ten of all the convictions he „ ne w(' under it, the conviction was grounded nn t h e siogle unsupported testimony of the Excise A cer —it person incapacitated to be a witness h e the law here.—(Hour.)—To produce further proof of the total disregard to equal and strict justice that this law was dislinguiahed by, it wag necestary to m ention that Ireland abounded in lakes, many f them containing numerous small island., pre -I,,„ting many facilities and temptations to the il wit 'fl ie se were selected as a usual scene o ihis operatione. It was sometimes difficult to ascertain the district to which they belonged; and in that case the Judge was permitted to impose a 6,, e ou each of the adjoining divirions. The !louse wou ld a llow him to trouble them with frostbite as extract from the testimony of the Member for Birscommoit before sub Committee, illustra tive of this part of the ject. It stated, flirt in the year 1813 six illicit stills having li-en coiererl on an island in Loch (ore, ui the mentioned county, and the gauger not having b ee n able to nscertain the parish to which it br. N e ed. the Judge who tried the inform oa st) , or . tiered the levy of a distinct hue off each a.f the s , x a djacent parishes. AS another instance of the root table manner ill which the law was executed, he might stale that a small still having; been teiz-d tame time since in an obscure hamlet in the migh liourhood of Dublin. the Chief Jostler o f t h e King's Beath and the Attorney-General were o bliged to pay a part of the fine imposed in conse quence ! Bat the law did not stop there, for lie ru e clause of it, a fine of 101. or an impri.inittient s months, was provided ag Mist any iii iii io potsessom an empty cask should be tumid. 641 All Excise officer would swear had contain. hit of unlicensed whiskey—( glen., hear) —and he hail frequently, with astonislimeist met ,l i isost seen these persons make oaths to that el fret at Assizes.—(Hear, hear.)—The connequences to the poor pea-totry of a law so singularly cruel in principle and operation were such 114 Wight na turelly be apprehended ; they added tenfold to the horrors of poverty and disease, and he so. l en oilv declared that bus heart had fietpiently sickened at beholding the !Marries intrialiwed into whole families by the isuliscrimiliating and unrelenting luau. of its executioti.—(llerie, hear.) --glut there WAR one desire of the Act which had no parallel in the annals of legislation. Ile had already mid that the Act in question was a re-enactment of a former law. In 1810 the distilla tion fine• were suspended ; in 1812 they were re pealed altogether ; in 1814 the law was restored ; the Chancellor of the Exchequer thought proper to hav,6 it re-enacted, and not satisfied with giving it a prospective operation, by a refinement iii legis lating before unknown, conferred on it a retro. spective efficacy ; and gave the Judges of Assize a power of re-itßiding those fines which had been first suspended. and then repealed ! !—(Hear., l — furious infliction of penalties immediately con sequent, shewed the unfortuuate people that all e x • jwctation of compatriots WAS vaiii—they were struck with despair at *wring their properties and liberties placed at the mercy of a set of unprincipled and rapa cious men—and they because indiffereist as to which party prevailed, the Excise officer or the smuggler.— Stich was the principle of the law, and a cre some of its enactment*. Why melt a cruel experi ment in legislation had been made in Ireland he 'lid not know ; but this he knew, that if the. Minis ter introduced a law into the Highlands of Scotland fur the collection of the revenue, which confound ed the innocent with the guilty, he would not long keep his place.—( Hear, hear.)—The people of this island knew the value of just and equal laws too well tamely to submit to an enactment of such Ali initrai4eotia nature ; and lie trusted its members would tint sutler the pregame of it to be collie• iined on the sister country.—(lkur. hear.) — The Ito: of flights directed that excessive flues should cot be imposed on those convicted of guilt. What would the framers of it have said, had they been told that in future times an English Parlia ment until(' paas a law which would fine the • - cent, perhaps to their last shilling I—( Bear.) — The advocates of the Act suppor•tl it by the ex ample of Alfred's system, which fiord the whole tithing for sit offence col ttttt itted therein. But he denied that there was any analogy between the two cases, anal he was confirmed in his opinion by the testimony of several respectable writers. A tithing in Alfred's day, consisted of ten families united by the sinceest ties. They had a perfect identity of interests and possessions. All property was gained and spew by them in common. Ile thought there Was no hardship in people connected in that manner iseing rendered responsible for the misdeeds of each other; but When the connexion ceased, so did the re lative responbility.—(llear.)—Millar. in his His torical View of the English f.'onstitsitson and Govern ment, observed, that 66 that luw (A iii - ercel was to be looked upon as a remnant of extreme simplicity, rather than a proof of much improvement in govern ment." Such provisions, Mr. Dawson were only suited to the rode manners and c lit imi of infant uueiviti ed societies, and it was au intoleralAe hardship that the inhabitants of a parish. or a tow to land, should at this day, in Ireland, he simile an swerable for the offences of our soother.—( /fear. ) —He hoped the Howse would pardon him for ( t ooting the opiision on the RAMP *object of I time, That writer. alluding to the law of Alfred, had mil, That perhaps it would be reworded as destruc tive of liberty and commerce in a civilised State." But it might be urged that the pri n ciple of that law was still retained in punishing litindred4 at the pre sent day for crimes cominitttal snider certain cir cumstances within them. But this case also was very different—Alfred's law was directed ageiust crimes which were so by the law of nature, which were male is se, such as murder and burglary ; and if the Government was not sufficiently strong to suppress these itself. it was justified in compelling by such Means the people to assist it. But lioa did this argument apply to moo demeanors— offences which were rendered so only by the Jaw of the laud ? lit the re arm instance the distiller was only guilty of a breach of the prohibitory law; lie *lid tint commit guy thing which was a mrstum in se—awl that an other individual. who participated ueither in Ind profit nor his guilt, was now to be involved to his pumeliment, and robbed of his last farthing. be cause the Chancellor of the Exchequer had found that the laws of Alfred inflicted fines on the in habitants of a tithing or hundred, on the commis. Sion of heinous eiiines, was not to be ii irate. ( ilear.)—The powers the re-enacted Taw conferred upon the Excise officers fir its execution were so extremely strong, that if pot its 'strict op-- ration, as they frequently were, they mii.t nvres- Sirily have exasperated the minds of the lower Wilco( : —they did exasperate them—and the csii.e. (pence was, an eternal wit hetereen the parties. The innocent stul the enlightened kid no motive held oust to them to promote the execution of the law. if they did not give information, they were subjected to the same penalties with the sintiggl. r— end, if they dui, they became victims to the rage of the pea.antry. The lion. Member then cited various ',arts of the evidence given before the Coin mittee on Illicit Distillation, in the year Iril3, as calculated to evince the spirit of oppression and ✓apasity winch had characterised the execution of the law, as well as the melancholy consequeuees resultis f' er therefrom to various iiislividnals. lie described the fraudulent minsoctimot in which Ilinchey, an Excise officer, had been esizage,l— cen.iire passed upon his conduct by Mr. Cof fey, so loapector, and hia l'olllll tttt 46011 in office 11.1t0 , 1111.140ifillig, by the Board of Excise—the cruel treatment Mr.Colquhouit, who had pointed out the goods of lsi• guilty neighbours, to Mr. Nevrinsit, another officer, experienced from the latter. Ile also read a Report made by Mr. Perry, is C mis rioner of Excise, on the calamitous effects of the law in the North of Ireland; and to illustrate its effect in extruding the practice of perjury, refer. red to a trial iii which on Excise officer wad I found guilty of a certain offence, and senteneed to a fine and itworisototient of t:velve months —thongli pia i iiiii reviler was afterwards !till- Wished 011 the confession of two of the Jury to himself, that they knew lion to Ire i 11111 l celit, but were resolved to brig a verdict against him, to express their detratation of the character of all per- SOIIIIIO his AllllllOll. The urxt consequence of the law, after perjury, was assassination, of which the melancholy death of Mr. Butler was 41 ilitiSt eouelu sive proof. That gentleman obeyed the law— exerted himself in jamuuting Its ex,ctition— yet in mil-day, within a few yards of los own house, was thistly murdered, without a single attempt ly li*:s own iron:its and laleborers to save loin from his fate. Ile roman , led that the whole or she hoisted efficacy of the law was tittrilollable to the ruiployineut of a military force ; and as a most important confirmation of ail lie had said, read a letter from Judge Fletcher. wherein that learord individual, tiller stating that lie liad rojnyed the le.st rinportunite of observnig the effects of the Towriluod Fitting Law, room going the North-west Circuit thren, represented it us la ; m i .:licit to the common sense and feelings of mankind, as well as to the first principles of the British Constittition ; thought it had only sprung from u desperate rrsoltitimi to raise a reveinie in Int mil, los, nefas ; mud that it led to Ille 11011T1S,11 timelier! of perjury in prose cutor., defendants, sod witnesses; sod traced nearly all the assize business of the rowdy I)tmegal to its iidluerice, direct or indirect. Mr. Dawson afterward* alluded to the opinion of Sir John Davis, •1 That no nation under the sun loved equal and impartial justice more than the Irish;" entreat ed the Chancellor of the Exchequer to try the effect of mild and equitable measures of Govern ment ; void robicluded by secroollog the Motion.- 1 This speech was received with laud and constant cheerin;r.j mr. LESLIE FOSTER dsf-nderl the law nn the ground of its importance to the revenue, and its ef ficacy its suppressiog illegal distillation. Ile argued, that great as were the moral was resulting from its operstion, those which wroth! spring from the only system ever proposed as a substnute would he still greater. He took a review of the various changes which the law respectang illicit distillation had tot dergone since 1810, mud produced various-cilcula. bons respecting the quantity of stills discovered its different counties or lielaml, to skew that the consequence of the lining law was a material reduc tion In the manufacture of milicebised whiskey. It was, he said, asserted, that the Irish were accuse to prosecutions. They were so, where the interests of the revenue were concerned. hi no country was the law of society snore strong; nod he was coo winced that the inhabitants of towillands could in all cases prevent the offence. Whatever, lie said, might be the imputed defects of the present sys tem, he thought it far preferable to the system proposed—a system which would go to encourage prosecutions aria military hunting. As to what had hero said respecting the small stills in S..rbt land : lii that country there were 39 mills. 1 1114 the revenue they produced amounted to about gO,OOO/. that is shoot 5001. each. In Ireland there are 12 small legal stills ; these are somewhat larger thaii those in Scotland, but they produce a avenue of 116,000/., thus producisig a revenue of about 19 times more. But if the House would en! brge the numberof small stills in Ireland, they would, its fact, make smugglers with licenses, instead of having smugglers with t them. The large distilleries would not be able to bear ou against the increase of small distilleries—and the eousequence would be, that they would bring ruin and beggary on those persons who have embarked their Capital In large distilleries. To skew, he said, how well the present system worked, he had to state to the House, that, for the last year. 12,000 willows of legal spirts had been consumed in liniishowen, where there never was 4. gallon of legal spirits used before.—(A laugh.)—Tlios wit% he said, the con sequence of the elforts that had been made to put rlobvii illegal distillation—efforts which would be he st a ppm. *late(' when lie stated, that 111 our flay, in no less than twenty illicit distilleries li,ul 10,0 lensed. Sir JOHN Sri:WAR r said, he trusted it was un necessary to sa), after mill the !loose hail heard, that the present system of law was most severe, %holiest, awd nowis-, lie hoped the House would agree with him its thinkiiig, that ilie time had now arrived for getting{ rid of that system rittogrOlter, for surely no case had been made out to justify the law. 'Flue lion. Gentleman (11r. Foster) had stated that the system of small distilleries hail been tried, and failed—he (sir JUllli !Stewart) was r. 014. 11:f11 11141 that statement was not correct—every ;en tleman who had enrolled to the subject knew that the small Podia had never had a fair tri.ol—they were impeded and discouraged in many ways ; indeed it w.is impossible that th-y could have existed under the regalatious that had beets mete—the laterees • or the s mill proprietors were always rdiligid In give way to those of the proprietors of forge ; hut above ell, they laboured tinder the 'rower the (7ominissioners hail of witliliolthog licenses. instead of giving every man a fair opportunity of r ot o loym g capital awl his toilnstry ni tit. fettle. The esta blishment of small milli would have a powerful effect in puttee: dawn illicit distillatiosi —the pro prietors of moi .11 distilleries would find it their inte rest to pot it down—the prof de would be indisreil to :mist iii putting down illegal distillation, and until they assisted it could not be lint down, though the country might be covered with military force and revenue officers. As to the statement made by the Ibis. G e ntl e man, to %hew that illegal distilla tion was on the decline in Ireland, lie (Sir John) would observe, that in the first year he referred to, corn bore a very low price in Ireland, there was nn market, and it resulted. as a matter of esturee, that the m111..1410011+ root slionhl find its way into illicit distillation ; the third year he referred to, there hap pened to lie a litgli price, and a gore mirket fur corn, and the Irish firmer naturally exported it. Another year was one of great distress in I reland besides, from the wetness or the 'resin), and the tallis serpient want of fuel, illicit distilleries were not worked by the people. These re:semis would trod to exiilaiti the statement made by the Hon. Gen tleman ; it was to these local, temporary, and inci dental cuss. s that the alteration was to be traced, and not to the effects of a system which WS4 only ',regnant with public imusarality, misfuriitie, shill diertintent. Mi. FosTen. explained. Mr. IV ELLESI.EIf l'oae said, that upon this sub jeett when he told an official situation in Ireland, the subject of illegal distillereis canoe iturnediately under his consideration. Ile differed with his Itieht Hon. Friend, then the Chancellor of the Exche quer fur Irtla•id ; representation* came in from fereut parts of the country. expressive or the horrors and distresses the law occasioned. In consequence or these representations, the previous tines , were re mitted, and the Act was suspended for two years. fie was, he said, astonished at the statement made by an Honourable Gentleman (Mr. Foster), tiainely, that the system of small stills had been IQ operation. In 1910. the noes were suspe n ded"" ; 1911, in an Act of Parliament was framed for the esi enuragetnent of small stills; and tit 1912, lie (Mrs Pole), after great consideration. and after consulta tion with the Judges ;mil the law officers in Ireland, brought in a Hill, which passed into it law. But it should be recollected, that distillation Croon • whether in small or in large distilleries, was wholly suspended, and not a still of ally descrip tion could legally work during the whole time. Every one, he knew that the former Aell were ineffectual ; he brought iii a Bill with new provi sions, ander the first advice, lost the Irish Geistle men, not taking into consideration the fact that the distillation of grain was prohibited by law, they called out by acclainetion for the re•eiteettlient of the kw. The Government complied with the wishes of the gentry—in his opinion wisely complied, as all Governments act wisely in attending to the de clarations and expressions of the gentry of the country; upon that occasion, however, he divided the House against all the Irish Members. lit 1813, a Committee was formed to take into consideration the state of the laws oil this subject--be would refer the Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Foster) to a stile oleo laid before that Committee, that the elate which the country was then in W 45 occasioned by the fitting system. The lion. Gentleman, he said, had talked of the decline of illicit ditdillalian in Ireland, hut after the two instances of IJotiegal and Tyrone, where distillation always was most encouraged, it was ludicrous to talk of suppressing it.-- The Right limiourahle Gentleman said, that fechog :is he did, that the present was a horrid system, pregnant with mischief and misfortune, no thing oti earth would induce him to support it; of course his corimcirtittous opinion was, that the law ought oat to exist. Lord MUUDITCHARLES said, that at the last As sizes of Donegal, there were 31).) still lines, which, at '251. welt. would amount to 7,5001. to he levied off this Door and impoverished comity ; he said th it so many unhappy persons were inirisoneil under this law, that the gaol of the county was obliged to lie ridaroeil. Mr. V. FITZGERALD contended, that the law introduced by Mr. Pole haul 101 l total, soil was. tin fact, the law now existing, or rather, indeed, the law sit ',Mira Went even further than that of has Itight lion. Friend. It was, he thought, strange logic to impute to the law cruises of murder and of outrage, whirls the law, in fact, was made to pot duait. Ile stated that the system now complained or had been established as die means of correcting int evil previously existing, and which had arrived to a degree of fearful magnitude. He had had no official information for nearly two years respecting the made in which this law had been carried iisto effect, a n d being absent from the House the 'tight on whirls paper* relNinig to the subject were laid on the tube, lie was in fact less acquainted with the particulars of it than perhaps any other Mem ber, lie hurl even desired most ansi tusly to ab stain from the discussion of this opiestion, lint it wit impossible for him. He was aware of the evils complained of, and lamented their existence, but they were not nitributable either to the law or to the Government of Ireland. Ou every occasion wher.jo penalties could with propriety he remitted. the Government uniformly afforded every tudul grace that was possitile, wills a clemency which perhaps might in some points tor exposed to cen sure. Alludirig to torts.t had fallen from sot flout. Friend (Mr. I),twuoil) who :::111 supported the mo tion, and who li sil undertak-it to its tiotatit hits opinions; by a quotation fume a work which could nut he too much read, lie expressed h is h op , that those w h o d rew lessons of wiadoin from the report of Sir John Davis on toe state of lrelsud, would not fail no remember the sentiniento or that di,- tooguishrit snot-email on other ore ohms cl 1111 l retest with that couistiy. Sir John Davis had represented the Irish as they were, gallant. humane, Nod sen• sitsve, told as a people who were particularly de „sr„u„ of " m a laws; lie hoped that those who cheered that upiotnu when quoted buy his Hun. Friend, and who also seemed to approve the siri that nu questions connected with Ireland, the opinion of the majority of the Irish Members. el lit prevail, would on Nlonday act iii conforiniiy with those sentiments, and that he s hould then be counted in the Warne majority relit, his iionouralde Fric:al.—(Lord eheeriaz.)— W hen he rose on this rift -.lion he had tint meant to eternity the lime of the II mop for more thin live misiotes. lint the interest he felt in the anhjeet hail drawn him OA. With respect to the rletarosiont of Ihe 11 , 111‘e nn t i aralpleo:lll l t, e l Id meetly say. that lie could not regret if the decision of the night ace wed the Confirmation of a niessiive which he had himself proposed ; 111111 should the d e cision lie otherwise, it clout(' ill lie come loin to question the decis:on of the !louse.— (Ilear. hear, hrar.) Mr. W. Put.E. Mr. V. Ft rZGFRALD, owl Mr. DaWsosi a. venally explaimil.—(Cries of " Q o e , ' lion. QOPItiON !") Mr. A. I' FRENCH allowed, that during the last two years there undotildeilly was a dinituutiou in the crime of private distillation ; but tits dill not arise so morli from the onerat of the law. as other circumstances which lie should mention. The sear li-tire last was one of iilt.olote famine, in which the landlords were actually obliged to slip ply their tenant, with provisions. aiiil last year fuel Was so scaece that turf was selling at 9(1. a kisli. The state of the country. however, in the present year was that which should decide the opinion of the Clouse, and in this year the practice of illicit distillati hail increased surprisingly. !le denied that all the people in the tocanlamle were, or could he aware of the exisaelice of ;in illegil still iii the ttod asked the Ileinhers fur England and Scotland, how they would like to have their coun try exposed to such a and %motions sys tem ?—(1/ear, hear.) —lf they would not, could they think that the Irish Gentlemen would endure to be irod•li.ii down in slid) 14 mariner ?—(i.fror.)— Ile 'puke iii favour of licensing small stills, and concluded by saying, that if his opinions of the in jurious effects of the present law 011 the morals of the comitly were not saw:hotted the authority of every Judge us Ireland, lie would never optis his mouth 14V4111 on the siihject.—( Hear, hear.) Mr. I'F.EI, lamented that lie could toot n , tree with the majority of the Irish Nlenthers tit their views on this important matter ; but lie could not hesitate, even tinder this disadvantage, to deliver sentmients. lie IHlllelllefl, a. sows-rely as any one, the evils which flowed 1 rum the existing system ; hut it sl Id tint be fergotten, that they arose at tone particular period, and were the conscipielices of the acts of individual officers. This, no doubt, was a proper object of complaint, hut no one could contend that such arts ought, in .trietness of argument, to lie urged against the measure Ihri,. These evils also had occurred previous to the appointment of a Committee to investigate the matter, and the measure which had been muspended for one year was reenacted with the simnel unanimous constitt of 11w Nish :tlenohers. The measure was re-enacted alter a Committee--after the examination of the Members for Ireland then in at tendance. There was • Member for Mayo, a Mem ber for Westin( alt, for Wicklow, and Sligo ; yet now it wise required that the measure should be repealed without any inquiry whatever. The first Member examined was Mr. Urowne, who stated, that in the comity of Mayo the evil had very much decreased--thal the evil hood been got under—yet that was the time that Parliament thought roper to repeal the law; and the consequence of suspend. lag it for three years was an increase of the rvd to an caw moo. magnitude. %Vottid the Hollow now again try this ex periment. and he again compel!. .1 to cope with the offence when it shall have acquired strength, and have arisen to a gigantic height ? The Right Hou. Gentleman then read se. yes al extracts from the examinations • f the Irish Members, taken before the Committee, all of which were strongly in Unmoor of the operation of the law. Such were the am nions of six of as respectable Menshirs for Ireland as came from that country; men who were capelole of forming a correct judgment on the matter, and who also expressed the sentiments of the majority of the geutlemen in their re. spectire counties — Mr. A. FFRENCR here interrupted the Right llon.Gentle. man, and reminded him that the Committee had been moved fur by him; that he had asked the Chnswellor of the Exche quer when the Committee would be held. The Chancellor of the Exchequer was silent, and the Committee were cum pi Ilea to examine the six members alluded to on the chem., aif their knowing any thing almost the inatter.—(Hene.) Mr. PeeL continued, sad said, that surely if there were any Irish Members in the House who were hostile to the measure, it was competent for them to come forward and state their opinions. He then read some extracts from two Reports presented by Mr. Gregory to elle Treasury, on the effects of the former it stem, and that now in practice, which went to skew the inefficacy of the former, and the wretched ness soi those places where the practice of illicit distillation prevailed. Ile remarked. that if the present system were am-nolo4l with evil, the House should not close their eyes sit those which attended that to which they would revert. and concluded with a few observations on the impolicy of admitting any vacillations in the systetis to be pursued in this particular.—f near.) • Mr. A F n explained, and proceeded to make some remark' upon the proceedings of the former Comnnnttee, when he was called to order by Mr. V. Fitzgerald. Colonel BARRY stated, in oopoeitiou to what had fallen from Mr. Peel, that be had beets examined on the former Committee, and have a very decided opinion against the system of still fines, and which lie should ever Ise ready to maintain as destructive of the moptla and injurious to the rots teats of Ireland.—(Hear,hrar.l.—He felt as strongly as any man, the disadvantages of vacillations in the measures of the Irish Government. but lamenting as he did that the present measure had ever been adopted, lie eolith, not hesitate to prefer a charge now to the contionauce of so dreadful a practice. He did n ut wish fur a total and instantaneous repeal of these laws, hut he was anxious for the establishment of aurae concomitant remedial mea sure, which would gradually restore the country to its eta. feral state. The remedy might be a diminution of the duty, and the establishment of small mills, for small stills have never been encouraged in lieland.---(flear, hear.) — He knew &Gentleman residing in the heart of the illicit dis filiation, who proposed to erect a small still of 100 gallons to counteract this evil, but after having ispended 1.0001 on the erection of it, he was refused a license. The only reason alleged fur this refusal was. that there were two stills 01500 gallons each within shout ten miles of liins. The best plan probating to be adopted would be, to refer the subject to a Committee.—( Hear, hear.) The cwasicELLou of the Eirsteepueit concurred in the last suggestion which hail Callen from his Right Hun. Fs send, relative to referring the subject to a Committee. He feared, however,thst the finances of the united kingdom, for wh els be was deeply responsible, would suffer severely ft-out vacillating in the system of gosernment. He tottered that the establishment of small dill. would he arieossl eii with the best effects by raising up rivals to the illicit distillers. In this opiottots lie was confirnied by the experience of Scotland, and be had no doubt that if the Gentlemen of the sountry wont,' concur in upholding the laws, the adoption of ibis plau would be aitendeol with the happiest consequences. He alluded to the hardships said to be suffered by the people of Iceland, but if Gentlemen would turn their eyes so several parts of this country, particularly t 4 those where the practice of smuggling most prevailed, they would bad that such seven-tier were out peculiar to Ireland. Sir NEWPORT remarked, that of all lilt courses ever pursued by the Ministers" of the Crows, that which they adopted this evening was the most ainachievous. Nu opt niun seemed to have keen formed 014 this imports's' ;mist by the Chancellor of the Exchequer-amid eta this as well as on other occasions, floe consitry was to women Nu undecided Nlissiostry awl a divided Cabinet itemi rsorring.)-.He then entered cuts a csuaiderstior sof the queen , " aid said Ilia , eotild he conceive the morale of the people of 1r.!•..4 wool., he borer conenlied by the repeal of the present n'tern. than by maianining it, he should not below , • shout the line of c.indoict he ought to adopt, for he should ever ennaider re'venite ea 'oohing worth, if pneehased at the caroms, of the morals of the remote. Ile feared if the re peal were ranted, the practice of illicit distillation wmb/ insolently revive In a great extent, and redoce other not. of I. land to the miserable condition of the coalition, of l'yrone and Donegal. He led as a truth, of which he was well colviiired, that by the countenanc.. shewn to the pract , ce by the tawdry Gentlemen of Tyrone and Doilegalk the pooreV people were abanlntely teniiiied to commit this nffenee.—.! Hoar, hear, and trier of rl .An, urs")—Gentlemen might cry " No, no ;" hot he had pitch authority for hie tome. (hit he eased not think of retracting them. He reseed this tomd on the attention of the Hu ss ar, and conch.!./ by expreasing his belief that the prevaill system was of aerviee to Ireland Lord CaaTr.r.ttEaOrl thought the attack otade by the Right Hon. Baronet sin the Chancellor of the *scholar wits contrary to the practice of the noose, end inc 00000 with the ileeorton, he might almiiet say the decency required in l'arliamentery trannactiops. The Noble Lord Owls cle f...elml the conduct of his Wight Hon. Friend. soil colienrredi with him to thinking, that the gallant Graseral (meld to here sit opporlouity of brining the subject fairly before the Committer. Mr. Ilra:erre gala, the House w-is placed ;n an cleft-tor. Binary situation Sty the conduct of some of his Nlittistere, in the w I they met this oneatiost. An lion. Member, who held a high situation under th e Board of Li,. rise (Me 1.. Foster!, strongly opposed the mutt 0000 0 lost li.e Right Hon. Gentleman oppoaite, and the Noble Lord also, took upon a audits', guide a slifiereut view sit the quo-stool— the reliant was obvious, they felt the tone of the House, sold trembled at a division. They knew they dared not take ilia atom. of the House sin this .abject—/Hear, lad the Ili:lit How (rentlemmi state what he Meant 10 des in Ili^ rommittee—antild consent to repeal lII'/ ) Ile Mr. Bentiets) at not e as , that he thought tin' Cent. tiaele..s, sinless the law were at Once rep,3le•l, ! Wear. )—lt was a syntrin of eatable hiao srveiiiie on 11.0 sass or puldie rapine—one ip which it remained f r the 11.01. e 10 .3y, whether the people of Ireland sh o ok, emaini.e 10 I,• spot/lied, and their lan& waste, or uhillser somethioe. like jostiee altould pr. side over the reverne slums rottotry, whit It sieve, could be the cases.. long as such 4 %%stem as 011ie prevail...l. All also convened wills (.eoth ail from Ireland must have lit-moil of the pillage which wit • very where endured under this 'Khoo. mer.nre. The Rizlit Hour Gentleman floe Chatteellor of the Excluquer) 115.1 slot that the first dery of Government Was revenue.; he, on the rnillrary,ll ttttt ght the first ditty von the proleelioo rf It e r ople.—r kern., from all 'Net of the tharre. ; the whole fire of Eiliope, these was notitiog to he Nero like the stale of degradation in alt rh Ireland was by (hit law. 111 Conlitriell they heard of the peopl.• bri n g sacrificed to feresioe, but Iliere was 110 100.4 sisal ilitv b. Europe save that 1.1 which the at tentiou of the [louse was now C3110%11. No whirr but in the East rind in litisi•inta rn oat such apt il of retroile to be founds It was anise coo.usir•it with the Right Hon. Gentleman's plan of finance—like :he Lottery, it gave him a rCVentle, 311.1 he Cited oust armee. It was a part of she aline creed, All that ho lir. Bennett) could be anxious about was to strew the people r r the country the system that his Majesty's Ministers li ul bei .1 porstiing with respect to revenue, and the trrma point ulna., at all luaurJa, they would exact it If the Hun.. did not look at ousels la system as it ought, the cuoutry certainly would —cheer.) l'he ('oascrt.tma of the Elettssatlett .14'11441 that he ever nerd such 311 expression!, as that rr venue, contrailisi ed from the interests of the people. was the first object of a Government. What he said Was this, that his first laileretk io she situation he held was, Ist take care I Is-. 1 the 11.Vci•ile lit Site country was rendered effect ive.—(Hear.) RrNmrp7-.- , ' All I shall say is, tint the Right. lion. Gentleman'. set m was paramount' " Mr. Wet. Partnet.t. congratulates! Ilse House on irh it ate peered to him to he the likely result of sloe motion. Ile lamented :list a Right Hon. Gentleman . lir. Pei l) should have taken the plot lie had done. and shewis himself aro. lugist for every thing which was unjust, inloleraol, suit illlberal. Mr. Peet felt it his duty tn require an explanation front the Wm. G. oileman who had spoken lest. Did he comicrwe him to have meant the expressions he bad used in the reuse in which they were usually received, he should not House take an opport sootily of evil niring an explanation, het there was really something in the leinper and Manner of do: Hon. Gentleman, which forbade him to pat a serious con struction on the epithets he had used, though he fi It it right to give I • 311 oppurltillity of replanting them. Mr. W. PARIS iLt. assured the Right Ilion. Gentleman that there was nu individual for atom he entertemed a higher personal respect, and that if Ise had used any dope. (-misty harsh epithets, It must have milieu from his bring t lists agitated at the SuCCeall of this motion.—///eni, heir.) Mr. CHICHESTER expressed the sincere gratification he felt at the prospect which was now held out of am...siding the law in Ireland. He relied, that the !atoms of the Committee, aided by the eandoor and good sense of his Majetty'• Go vernment, would bring this question to that issue 1.1 which it must be the wish of (very friend of peace and good order it should speedily at rive.—(fle.or.) General HART participated In the gratification which the result of this motion was so calculated to diffuse. Ott thus auloject of illicit distillation, all lie should say was, that ha had within: so much at heart as its utter abolition; soil it was because he was its greatest enemy, he was the advocate of an alteration in the present system, which tended so mut Is to its eocouragement. Mr. J. P. GRANT rose to make some obaervations, but the cry of " Question r' was so loud, that he was obliged to sit down. The motion was then agreed to, and the Committee was fixed fur Friday next. Several Ace tttttt ts were brought up relative to the amount of Duties ou 'roomed Leather imported into Ireland, att.( the number of Vessels that navigated the llenai Strait. Mr. Alderman HILVGATC presented a Petition from Sod. bury, against the Pour Settlement Bill.—Ordered ter be rioted. Mr. Alderman Woos moved for returns of the amount of coal contracts made by Government during the last avveit years. After a few words from Mr. MVSILISSON as to the form of the mutton, it Was (Or the present withdrawn. CLAIMS (IN FRANCE 811.1. On the moti of Mr. Luanisoxon, the claims on Frain e Bill was read the third 1111 w and passed. The other Orders of the Day were then read, and the House adjourned until Monday next. FVREIGN INTELLIGENCE. DUTCH MAIL. ♦PRIG 14. SECOND CHAMBER OF THE STATES•GENERAt, Aran. 21. After adoption of the g.ueral laws respecting t h e Customs and Excise, a beginning was made in the sitting of Ow Second Chanllsl3 . Or the States Gaismil of this slay out, the dercussiou of the particular laws. Those upon the Order of the Day were the five projets of laws respecting the duties upon salt, soap and polisher, turf, coals, and the tonnage duty. These live law. wire comprised in one general Kr port, presented by the Ceisteal F/101011 in the last sitting. His Excellency the Director Gettersl of the Customs awl Excise was present ta.day, to explain the reasons of the va rious laws proposed, and to defend them. After a Wilt end pretty sainsated discussiou, all the free laws were pal iil Ihr vote, each separately, and all passed. The Assembly adjourned till Tuesday us at, whew it will have before it the projects of laws relative 411 the duties um whets. Jiatitkil liquors, beer, sod vinegar. PrOCICOOLIII. 0. 1111 r. Sergisia, who is returned from M. 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