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itelv before, were stigmatised in the dr ;al' the Archduke Charles, as unlit to , or serve with soldiers, were brought !nil Euglitihmen.—( Hear ! Pcii , !)-- 'anted no such defence.--t litodr.V— eprohate another inoustrotis natiOvatton, e Constitution, and destructit'e of our practice of secret andeolitary Minn ,o power of despotism could' Invent t ore subduing to the mind of than, or is feelings. Three warnings that he you'd evince that there could be no ,h points ; at prwsent he would forbear to subject. The insult to the City of tflord a rallyin4 point to every county , to 'option the right of petitioning, Ali together against despotism. If the t at to be made acquainted with any through the polluted medium of his •!u were they on the brink of destruc that remained of their freedom, and it token, was lost. He was not one of .uld attribute all the misfortune slid this reign to the, influence of a melig star waft IteetArary ; there was lume n themselves, from which all these evils •ouid see in that room the rout of all the is the root; sad the branches spread sided to every extremity of the coon ieir shade flourished no useful plants; 'ndist's weeds. The fruits upon the tempting to the eye, but to the taste I the bitterness of ashes. They knew to which he alluded, and also knew stud ought to be done to the tree which good. Our corruption interfered with 7h of the atate—it injured our navy, our iissinerce—and Ministers, at any price, a majority in Parliament.—( Hear ! e 1163 read of a Roman, whose unre -34:e to the Senate was. „ Carthage insist did be return ever to the souse dry must he reformed.". gun by noticing. that the Hon. e it speaking of them, had never called nue of Commons; but had etiled them ssembly. or Room. This, in the well , moderate language of the Honourable Ind as coupled with the concluding speech, imported as much as that not the Representatives of the peo -1 ht to he done away. Os this, nints, he bad the misfortune to i Hon. Baronet, and he could not fe ishorti the Finn. Baronet'sobservationsont the subject. coneu. os lived that his reform would so alter ii. 7itieetruiinn, that we would be t 0... ... ffitrevit from what we are now, or -ter tors were.—( fher ')—There was among the many extraordinary to wl by hint, which could not be cussed )br He had spoken of the jubilee, es s or. ed down the throats of the pro • ' ..eon compelled to eta MON*- . ..“‘re the legal Representatives of .„ British d. ~,, i l iiona,lt was only ne ts , recall there expreseoous , to mites.; ,4. r was there more general joy, or j wirr • used —llle ! hovel—The Hon. 11,0 tit as our revered lid beloved •- as being ruled by a malig uan t , 0 Vas noly necessary to repeat, to tw ee •" he rtita had comnseuced with 0 ; 4 6u e .41%,1 wars ever waged, which l u A ne e, raising the Maims to a pitch y , 4 ,,„:ar0pl td in former, though out iii bias true there had been many a u ,. g this long space, but were they ~,, J eri:late. mit to say the character, ~ o g , ire of the best and most ami a ble - i ;„„ at everexisted?—(Hear ! hear!)- 11,r, 't had, for the same purpose, told we re would be, could we reran this i .,..Xery true ! happy would we ibe ~.n.l detestehle revolution happen _ itch was to destroy and deface a Hear ',tear ) Could we. in any reign, or ti... repent to escape some injury, from il wide-spreading contagion, from the I rill. it brought on rcackind i. The llo tronet had favoured them with a passage b. as his ground-work, and alluded, in 'high hr must unequivocally dissent, lustrious Mr. Pitt; and concluded with wiposition fora monument, to which the Id, with his mace sail officers, conduct ifs, aml school them into office. All this pleasant ; but when he talked of the 1;.*: voinprHerl to pay Mr. Pitt's debts, nionitiernt to him, he had only to ve ,-rtion, to have it refuted. What ! enpelle3 to erect the muminaent ? • •') As for the money voted by the , puent of debts, it was voted on pub is. the Ite;wesentativcs of the people, itrous man who hail so gloriously alitry—and„ by this vote, the people .—been the great political adversary of is one of the first to recommend and proposition. It was, then, the same th it was exercised in this case, as on (I Irar ! hear ..) The Hon. Baronet ied ism) ability and prudence.—He set set, es a foundation, which was either iggereted. and his arguments fell lowlife of his premises. lie stated ty of refo rm , an d t h en went to the tired to the Citizens of London, by it; them to present their Address testy on the Mime. This, said the it, is an tenth to the Cite of London, if the imbreility of Ministers to tem in a dispute with Ins subjects. 11l r. bated the case, aiid denied that their ilt, or could he tiny intruded to the lon, for which he professed the highe.t eulogised in terms etindlle strong allied by Sr I'. Bartlett. On great lied bee n the heart of the empire, coo anal life to the extremities. The Re i grea tly owing to the exa m pl e an d its CITILTII% and this, with its unshaken to the Huns.. of Brunswick was alone !ruffle it to deference and respvct, bide aritninity, power, and loyalty. The was one that had oftru before been agi wa, no uoveltj in . It, mind it had never been decided, that the claims of the city were *good as those of the corporation to present themselves at the Throne. If his lion. Friends had granted this, they would have acted most nowitiely. They might thereby have alfirtle. , l a precedent, productive of great future evil. Nut to mention the infirm state of His iMaje,t)'s healta, it might be impossible for coy 111041ln:1i to receive every Address that might he seat Gem every part of the country. And what right had London beyond York or Leicester' They had no peculiar privilege, such as they cliimeri. lie hail also to observe on Knottier fact. It appeared, from the Hon. Baronet's own statetnent, that in this mighty monarchy, where His Majesty was surrounded with all splendour aml dignity, he could not even turn aside a foot path, in oue of his own parks, against the letter of the law. This was a pretty strong proof of what the Constitution was, and shrived that it would be no easy matter to block up the high road to the Throne. (Hear! hear!) Ile theta followed the preceding Speaker into the Address. He (Sir F. I. 1.) had expatiated on our dangers, our calanti- ties, and on the necessity of some step, which, in I . his opinion, would avert the one, and prevent the ' recurrence of the other. lie agreed with him that we were in much danger, but could out approve of the remedies be offered for our security. If these remedies were adopted, from dauger we would be plunged into greater danger, and ultimately into' ruin. His opinion, which he would give plainly, and without disgslise, was, that the couutry was not in danger from a foreign and inveterate enemy, but from a much nearer source. (Hear! hear! and cries of disapprobation from the opposite side.) Thi.swerie in danger from dissensions aiming them- selves—and they seemed as if determined more to hate one another theta the common enemy. lii this temper, every subject was exaggerated and mis represented. These exaggerations cent forth to the public, even from the House of Parliament, and encouraged persons, of a very differmit description, equally inimical to church and state, under thlir wing, to carry on approaches against the found ations of the country. With these .dangere siir rounding them, he would ask, could a man be found of greater ability, and of t urer I, to undertake the respans:bility of Government, than his Right Honowahie Friend near him ? (Mr. Perceval.) ' He, as vial as all who wished well to the State. laMented tile late dissensions in the Cabinet, but it was not the fault of his Right Hon. Friend. that an adtaiutstration was not formed, combining more the different parties, whose talents would have beets of great utility, to the country. —He professed his respect for some of those who refused ; they had their own reasons fur it.— But, whatever prevented the uuiou. the cireum stance accounted for the courage and constancy of his Right Mon. Friend, and secured to him his ad miration as a inen always ready to stand by his So vereign. He would always support His Majesty's G overnment while be lived. ( Heir!) He had nothing to hope—nothing to. fear. Let him be understood might. There might be instances in which he would. 4 public grounds, differ, either from those who had • confidence, or ethers; hue he weasel never emetically oppose any Government appointed by is Majesty. The Hon. Baronet had found fault with the omission of India in the Speech ; but h e (*ought this might very naturally be accounted fen; the advice. from that country did not arrive till a few hours before the Speech was prepared. and consequently Ministers could not have had time to deliberate and advise their Sovereign what he ought to say on so delicate and important a sub ject. He had agreed with, and voted for, the Address, because it was.es wordedos not to pledge the House to any particular points that were hereafter to be d is cussed, hut only to the general support of Govern ment. Tothe Amendment he hadobjected. because it went to give such pledges, and to prejudge the cases, before the documents on which their judg ment ought to be famed, were produced. With respect to the main topics discussed lest night, there would he future opportunities for him to deliver his opinion. He would only say, with re ference to the Scheldt Expedition, that the failure was highly worthy of their consideration, but, till he saw the papers, he would not pledge himself to vote for a more detailed inquiry. He agreed with the Hon. Baronet. that they were not fit judges of military operations; but entirely differed from an lion. Gentleman, who spoke last night, that the expeditions to Splint and the Scheldt were accompanied with unparalleled calamity and disgrace—(firer s)—What did disgrace mean? In the Expedition to the Scheldt, a simultaneous operatiuu of the army and navy was necessary to in sure success. Sir Eyre Conte, with his division, was to attack Flushing, while the rest of the force was to attempt a coup de mein against Antwerp. It was true, the plan did not succeed. But. had wind and weather nothing to do with operations by sea and land ? The fleet, instead of getting into the IVest Scheldt, was forced into the Roompot; and it must lee known to every gentleman. that, after the plan thus failed, it %ism impossible to think of taking Antwerp by a regular siege. Rut we had suc ceeded in the capture of Flushing. The Honourable General turned his eyes up (we be lieve the speaker alluded to some gesticulation of General Tarleton), as if taking a garrison of 10,000 men prisoners, and destroying docks, arsenals, and a basin, capable of containing, at low water, from IS to :t0 sail of the lute, were nothii4. Did he not know that these ships lay there in safety, and could come nut at one tide for the invasion of this country ? Wes it not known. that fur eight mouths in the year no shipping could lie in the Scheldt, and that the French had already been put to great diffi culty in forming wet docks there for thew navy, and het broken the backs of many of their situps in en d, ivouring to move them ? Was this to have dose- nothing? but was it to have incurred disgrace? (Hear! hear! from t4e Ministerial Benches.) Suppose a French fleet made a descent on Sheerness, and de stroyed works there, a thousand times more valua ble than they now were, would it be said they had done nothing, becausethey had not got toChathain Such a ain' t ( was possible. and woe to the. Minister in a hose tune it happened. lie wished Gentle men, then, to make use of fair terms, and to exa mine fairly. They would then make a stronger impression on all sensible minds than by such MIX. i epre-eittations as these. With reg ird to Spain, he thought there was a term applied to the General, hi t..ic accusation of rachness, which could hard') be supported. There was nothing he lamented and deprecated more than the readiness there ap peared to attack and condemn the Commander of our army in Spain ; than whom, a better sol dier, or a more illustrious 0111 , 11111 Na to the pro (( (( of arms, never graced the British name. —Vet against him, such gross cal uses and lib.la were published, daily, from the anonymous press, as were a disgrace to the nation. Ile trust ed some men of weight in that House would rand up and reprobate the orhons practice. It had been usual hitherto, for officers, how neglected by Government or Ministers, to he protected by the c try, and more particularly by that House. —But, in this instsime; the- most gallant hero that the British army boasted, whose exploits in India, and in Europe, had dour honour to his country, vets set up as the mark for ca lumny and detraction. If this disposition was not discouraged, it might kid, in perilous times, to the ruin of the empire. It promoted in the army distrust of their officers, and misled the troops and the people. Coder this persuasion, he was sorry to have heard the Hon. General opposite, ' (Torii-ten), as a brother-officer and soldier, instead * of defending Lord Wellington, olio was employed on a critical and important foreign service, and none preterit to insist for him, treat him sad his ' exploits in the manner he had done. In Spain, there was no rashness whatever—(Harty! Hear Let any one read over the letters, which were the only documents on the subject, and they would find, that, in the advance from Plasmas, and in the defensive position token up at Talavera, it was not Lord Wellington's intention to pro ceed further . into Spain. He was hot asto nished there should be rashness, when he consi dered the effect on thy public mind, by the daily • prints, a. it required more courage to rcuisiu in it jildir!Otiv position, than to whence to Both Sir John Moore and Lord Wellm t omi miga,t have advanced, against their own cool jild 4 isielits, from thinking of whet might be the °pillion of the people of England. hlany lives had been 10.. t, and many would be lost, from such impress i.e. 1 1 - I , lg made on the minds of Generals. In Spain and Portugal we had met no disgrace. The worst that could be said of Tat was, that it was imprudent; hut the term disgraceful was sure ly inapplicable. But even the former term could not. in his opinion, he justly used. From the Spanish a:couuts, and from Soule. Report to Jo seph Bonaparte. it appeared that there were only two points which admitted of doubt : First, what degree of trust was doe to the Spanish armies ; arid, seconeile, if it would not have been better for our army to have secured the pass of Banos. It cer tainly did appear, from Sir R. Wilson's afterward* defending this pass. for nine hours, against the rem. hissed armies of Ney and Souls, that it might have been an important poet, between their armies, in our poesession. But there was no disgrace to the army in all this. Lord Wellington, and the force under his cninniend, had done all the Speech stated ; they had driven the epetny from Portugal, in the brit )cant affair of the Douro, end they had preiented kis further progress in. Spain. He referreetto the map for the truth of this; and concluded by ex. reseal; his satisfaction on the expectation h e ld out in the Speech, that a good understanding might yet be preserved with America, as her Minister had expressed as amicable disposition on their pert, which was met by a similar feeling on ours. Sir Joint Swinges thought that the Ministry was iocom palest, at the mine time that he wee willing to allow the honesty of Mr. Perceval. Any man who supposed that the expedition to the Scheldt would succeed, omit have looked at • very different map of E u rope from that which presented itself to him. With respect to the battle of Talavera, glorious as it was called. he would offer a few words. No man gloried more than he did in mili tary excellence ; but there were two kinds of mili tary excellence—that which the soldier exhibited, and that which the general displayed. The soldier manifested himself in hie strictness of discipline. his patience timid fatigue, and all the privations to which his situation subjected him ; amid those evi dences the British soldier had displayed. With re spect to Lord Wellington, he did not mean to dis pute his talents, hut he could not agree in the admi ration which was generally expressed of the laurels he had gathered at Talavera; in his opinion, dry were barren laurels, or rather the water of the lau rel. which was Mit...mess itself. He was willing to give the Right Honourable Gentleman every credit for his loyalty, hat he did not consider him entitled to asclamer claims. He believed that the word was prostituted, whenever it was applied in such a sense; that no man hal a right to identify himself with Majesty ; nod that, whenever the attempt was made, it was as injurious to the King, whore it intended to sepport, as to the coustiention, which it certainly violated. He was of no party ; but he thought that the country respired a strong administration, and that it had it not. The people were taxed to the last farthing. and had a right to know that it was judiciously and honestly applied ; and he considered it a duty which he owed the country, to concur in the re inovill of His Majesty'. Ministers from office.— Stone allusions had been made to an illustrious Statesman, now no more; he conceived that it was owing to him that he had now an opeortunity of appe3r.ng in that place, or possessing an acre of L in d o n which to set his foot. He did oat court popularity, hat he thought that the loss of mil lions. and the destruction of the British forces, which had taken place on the seeds of Holland, should not pass without inquiry. If these senti ments were nut the sentiments of a wise inan, he thanked God, they were those of an honest ....... General Terms:cots said. that though the Hon (lentlemen ha.l talked of 'intuit/menus operations, the army was not calculated to admit •f operations of that description. As to the losses we had sus tained, in consequence of the weather, the Minis ters ought to have known that such must have been the consequence, and provided •geinst it. There were many exploit. in iiiiitory with which 'l'll could not compare. It might be wrong to condemn all officer in his ahsence, hut. is he deli,. red his sen timents in the pre•euce of mail of the friends of that officer, Its thought he was exempt (ruin such a charge. It wit , ' ci 'dent. from Sir A. Wedesley's dispatches, that the army was in w int of forer,,e and food ; iu such • c.isr, was it not injudicious to ! t ad on the army. H- dd net upon 014, or upon the former night. attribute discredit to the Britiwh arms, but he did intend to say, jrith respect to Bri— tish (;enerals, that they were usher di. grace. which nothing but a trial could retrieve. lie would not trouble the House silty further upontlie presel l t casion, as filmy opportunities would occur. in which 'he could express nis sentiments, perhaps a ith Altera propriety. On the motion of Mr, Peaces's!., that the Ad. dress should be rend • second time, Mr. Watts 1111114D rose to more an amendment. Ile said, that, in the course of what lie had offered last night, he did recommend reconotaical reform ; he recom mended it then and at present, because it apparel' to him that the subject was taxed altotott to the •mount he could endure, and that some method of retrenchment would be adopted, in justice to the country at large. Ile meant most past:culaily to apply his observations to the Right Hon. Gentle man, now Secretary of the Admiralty, and incase,- ly belonging to the Committee of Finance. He believed the declaration of that Gentleman, 1111410 livered on the last night, that he would endeavour to learn his duty. He feared, however, that in his survey of the different matters for his observation, he would not see the necessity for Parliamentary Retort's. The people, he thought, should have every encouragement, under the present unexam pled weight of taxation, and alien not only the weight, but the very system, was contradictory to the Constitution. He therefore should propose hie amendment, and he thought he had sufficiently guarded it to prevent all objection. His amend ment was, that, in justice to ilia Majesty's sutjects, they should adopt every ate•ns to lighten the eys. tern of taxation under which they Inhoured, ■odd apply the principles of recononiiciii Reform, which were at the same time consistent with the welfare of the state, and gratifying to the feelings of the luuutry. Mr. PERCETAI. saw no necessity for the propissea Amendment. After what His Majesty had elemidy deaared in the Speech, it ors entirely sapeellestrtes; hilt the e awl strunocr reason even than lisle icor oliptiginag it ; it would have a tendency to mere ex pectations in the pzople„ which it won't' net be possible to gratify. He sew no necessity , haled he saw no good that could remit from throiriai kind of censure over the coilectiou of the revalue. • thing en necessary to the support of our Cambia tion and laws: He hoped the House was* are this* the Government was *treade sefficiently jusitareil to retrenchment, without respiring the lisemality of any further direction. .l'pos the epteetion df Parliamentary Reform, he thought it wrong to liMel the country into an expectation at more thee could be dour. Mr. Poesoese could not agree in what t e Right lion. Gentleman had jost repented ; Amendment of his Right Hon. Friend had' s° c sexiou whatever with the war ; it was neees4 question of economical reforip, cad, as seek.. entitled to equal consideratioe. whether ie sv ',rem; he did not think it calculated to give - reasonable expectations to the people; it: went to *edge She Ileum :to such salt) form, as was consistent wirbjhe t e a l an d go ta interest of the State itself ; he therefore. could no weight in the objection of the Right Hon. Gem. tlernan. Tuesday night they heel debia-d, other measures; they had passed an Address without are sentiment, such as the present; it was accordia incumbent on them to adopt it new, if the master appeared to be such as was essential. Mr. B. BATHURST conceived that as there was already a committee appointed upon the seideet to which it referred, it was unnecessary to pledge the House to an opinion upon the subject. An allusion had been made, in the course of the debate, ties if lion. Relative had received • Peerage front His Majesty, in consequence of his services; but he could state to the lion. Baronet, that, et the time of his retiring from his Office, he refused a higher honour than that which he had since obtained, and also refused all objects of pecuniary gratification s in the shape of place, or pension, or reversion. Sir FRAMED BURDETT said. that he 11A Salt to learn what the claims of the Hon. Gentleman were,. to all the dignities F.c had received. Earl TIMPIA did not wish to excite the people by any extrsysgant hopes ; hut ne diet not think it too much for the Parliament to pledge itself • pea • subject of such vital concern. Mr. WEIAILTOO observed, that he had never given the House to understand that he was ignorant of the . duties of his office. lie certainly admitted, that he mast appear to great disadvantage, after the Gentle man who had immediately preceded him ; but he had pledged himself, and would pledge himself a,tain, to all that industry which was necessary to improvement. With respect to the situation w...els ha held in the Committee of Vioance, be c“uld inform the Honourable Gentleman, that he had ne ver set his voice against economical reform. He never objected but to one resolution, that which • went to deprecate sinecure places. He was a (Nitwit to economical reform, as far as it could he effected, consistently with the security of the Crown. • Mr. D. Baowx defended Mr. Wharton. and agreed in the propriety of regulatini the finance by the strictest rules of economy. _ _ Mr. J. SMITH thought, that. in as exptmditare of 70 millions of money, or some sadi sum, it ova. Natural enou•~r, from what they had seel, to suspect that there was a want of retinal:Hy is the ept•lira lion, lie did not conceive that it would be u.t to shew that there was great extravagance. Ile thought it, upon every account, impa;..n• to refuse the amendment for which he should vute. Sir A. PIGGOTT would sate fur .the ResolutioN from an opinh , n that it would he of massiittage to tho country, for surely it would be of isdraiit,ar, to assure His Majesty's sultjects that economy should be observed in the administration el those resources which they so liberally grantiM. it ap. peered, that no further inquiry would liholy Its made into some of the most important points. The present amendment he therefore considered as an ■llevtatton of that disappointment *lnas the Ilnti•e must expertence. The House thee divided. when there oppr*rtd For the Aisoothrooot Against it . ... t ..1 4 Mr. Ttsaxei then pi - v..4rd, the, ilia tbe who, immedist Gemini t infer h r employed. here to dcfen Englishmen w. lie had to reps • hateful to the • litserties, the I , so nment. No whAt was mot., o dious to his conld we ••,.. apathy ou such going into the London did of in the empire. and btitfld Op hilig will not thing, but th et! Ministers, thet le x. tem. siol ail • of their cosistil h., those who con , c alamities of tl tont star—no t , thing wrong in ,• sprang. 111 co evil. li-re wut 11 g Over, end eatti they vv. limier tin ‘'s nothing but ii ati.i boughs were t, . they hetro,eil th e p..s.age to what it was Sill way not goosJ tih t every branch t It e ar m.uui rota toilet hare a i 44 Ater!) lie I hi milting ldvice fit be de,tioyrd rg... point, " this c gre.e Mr. Yong ass Baronet, in s ries them the Holm E s Society. Ass. • d r weighed sad n Baronet, and fit part of his • , an d they war* 00 1 the Pie. sod °"1 mi d lid no other • differ from thi o r o f hut offer It fi L o h,. lie dissented re sinus, aid chliige tie 1. ly new sod ols hat no- " it ' th nether tinint nt, - introduc-. n i in silent. .. • had be, sad tli, y part ..r • ill then,. is onefreelyr irniiet bai ad • .rereigu's tar • This ma w its falL eV of the s lea reheated, 1, w Prosperity Lith ter times. he • fort noes be u.ed of bur the reig. ' , Sovereign. The than. B. no Us , how h at un ' , tr . 's.' or Ix bar d not the se sd :11 Frac pre world. (Hem I tit in any count: wt its baleful ell I u many r u l a paitt at S Imo nit-g e t - taro rtid, of trie sseech, tl ternss...om wI n, to Or late- s Ie his ougular pri ease Slater shoal; , pi . se* Ministers tot might be very Ids people.** belts. bo , • or to erect a ni th Este t.!; were t!it•v ro t , tis• (Heat ! hear . hz4 i e groan.{,, :,„, e to the ilk.: .• weed his cn•J uric *ere h oun d._ :J Mr. Pit,, wept. , :3. !rapport the p, to' eJumulsion lh it et Use Jubilee. _ limey• argued Out with a fa( 1,,,• false or px4l • wills the esp. ties necessity taunt offered r 4- ' 44 DerfllltitUi Me' I'. MN Alrjes w Or lion. Baronet, 11**11 fl proof of alit the King tie- Yorke than at. u!d 4 .4 any moo! • t~ ' ynf Lando ss. reim rt . and It r.. %Vs those tit • 4 4 . es.ions it bo p.•-r "ring heat al was _we tstidurt of it I i.y 11 ' 4 01'nel:a to i.dsi,.. nt to en Pendent o f i ts tilestinn Low Wed. •4` here ms•wwww