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Y 110LISAND GALLONS of GENEVA, And TWENTY T OUSA ND GALLONS of BRANDY, which have been regularly condemned and mast:Wed ; now in Vats at the Excise Disoinery, St. Catherine's. Catalogues to be had. at id. each, and samples seen, at the Excise 1 Warebousekeeper's Ofiles, Tower-hill, from Tuesday, the =d, to Thursday, the 24th, from ten till two o'clock, and on the morning of sole, from ten till twelve o'clock. YENTA AY INTELLIGENCE. HOUSE OF LORDS, lamas, FEB. 18. IRISH INQUIRY. The Earl at . LIVER POOL laid as the table, by command of his Majesty, certain papas, and moved that they be referred to the Committee of Inquiry , into the State of ladaad.—Ordered. The Earl of HA RROWHY moved, that the Committee of In quiry into the State of Ireland, do report its proceedings from time to time. The Noble Lord also moved, that the evidence taken be. fore the Committee be printed front time to tune.—Ordered. A Gentleman from the Court of Exchequer in Ireland, presented certain official papers from that Court. Mr. Spica, from Chelsea Hospital, presented accounts of no. claimed army prize money. SPRING GUNS. Lord SITFFIELD gave notice that he should nett Thursday a motion to the House relative to the use of Spring Guns the preservation of game. He would not conceal that his ob. jest was to render the use of those instruments illegal He was quite sure that the danger and the cruelty of the system was well known to the Noble Larch. He knew that it was at the present time a matter of dispute whether or not the use of Spring Guns was illegal. He had no doubt himself that they were illegal, and he would use his best endeavours to prove that they were so. Adjourned till Monday. P. themselves the friends to religious liberty (Continued cheers)—but they were averse from giving any civil or political power to die Paputa. They considered that the Papists, luring failed in their 1 accession to power, had now recourse to mere daring views t that in the prosecution of these views they had banal themselves into a confederacy, under the name of Association. They now aimed at what they called political geform ; but what was, in reality, revolution. They were engaged in had* meetings,. collecting money, and were headed bj that miseh y induentiel body a 7 men, the Popish Clergy. The Petitio ns Ted the House that, in mercy to the Catholics, the Assodetion ight be put down. In this prayer he concurred, and was main and lau fieut the Opposition that if the measure were carried it would not in the slightest trench on the li berty of the subject. (Cheers g i n Benches.) The Honourable Baronet concluded by expressing a hope, that if the lion, and I 4 earned (eat eman (Mr. Brougham) succeeded in obtaining leave for the Catholic Association to be beard by Counsel against the Bill that oaten indulgence might be grouted to other Assonatioos, (lieu, hest[from Mr. Brougham) as he wan sure the Bill did not contemplau one more than another; he, however, would be much surprised V the Honourable and Learned Ge ntleman succeeded ; and, indeed, his conduct now was inconsistent with his advocacy of a very4lifferent principle shoot three years ago. On the motion that the petition be brought up, Mr. BROUGHAM rose—not, he saidaror the purpose of oppos. Ina the %ringing up the retition ; and, heibre he went further, he beipl Wei the high respect be aiwa tertained for the opi tdreeesideles Bon. Baronet, and, though event from his own, he had always a4mbed his consistency of et. His object in now rising me net tee oppose the reception of tion, but to convey to dr11... wrap informetlee es to tlaa is which it was got up. Elp-eld nest, hi the 'Ugh's.' to attribute to the Hort. Baronet any participaden in lean d WWI he would I take occasion to mention. fie was glad, as this petition was one of the few presented in favour of the Bill, that lie had a few in. valuable anecdotes to mention to the House touching this docu ment. It was sent from an inn to the office of an attorney, who was both the tool and the agent of the Hon. Baronet; from this ()fresh:a—(a laugh)—his Learned Friend opposite (the Solicitor (.eneral) would pardon him for using the word—(l laugh)—well, from this Mina it was conveyed by the attorney , f not, of course, as the agent of the Hon. Baronet, but as the agent and tool of that despicable party in NVells, who were constantly raising the im pious and ridiculous cry of " No Popery"—to that party was this attorney, and his offieins, made subservient. He (the attorney) rode several miles to collect signatures; he stopped at a gentle man's gate, near which there was a school, and asked the master to sign the petition, and to get as many of his scholars as he could to do the same ; he never showed the master the copy of the pe tition ;—now mind, ite was one of the few who might have been able to read it. (A laugh.) Well, he put down all the names of the scholars who were not themselves able to write--those who could, signed fur themselves ; and these are among the persons who have signed. (Much laughter.) When the school bloke up, the boys went home howling out, and bragging that they had signed for " brick and mortar." (Continued laughter.) Now, this was a cant term. The House knew that nothin,g was more usual than to have thine cant electioneering terms. The friends of the present Representatives formed one party ; those for the other party, that is, the attorney's party (a laugh), were called " Brick and mortar ;" and therefore it was that the scholars were bragging of their service to'' Brick and mortar." Now that the attorney had succeeded with those of the tenderest age, he went to try his luck else where, and assailed some old women ; lie told them that the Irish Papists were all coming over to cut their throats. (Muth laughter.) Now, nothing could be more important than to secure the female part of the community. True it was they could not sign for themselves, which was the more strange, as they generally ruled so much all domestic and other arrangements; but what they could not do themselves, they pro- cured their husbands to do; and these, yielding to the dismay and terror of their afflicted spouses, signed their names. Others were told that they were signing for the church, though this he was told was without the consent of the clergymen. There were many more who signed to the petitions the names of others. (Cheers.) It was said in the letter that none of the canons had signed the petition, ' unless some of the " brick and mortar" had signed it then. There were, it was true, the names of many clergymen residing in the city attached to it. He (the Honourable and Learned Gentle man) went on to say it was probable other petitions cf a similar nature might be presented, without there being anyone to expose t h e trick, or give any account of it ; be, however, would not oppose their being received. In the name of God throw open the doors of that House to them, whether they come from parties calling them selves " Faggot," or " Brick and Mortar." Ile cared not whet their denomination was, let their petitions be brought up—let them be read—aye, anti printed too, in the minutes of the House. But lie would, in candour, ask the House, when millions ,came before them, signing for themselves (cheers), and feeling for themselves, (cheers)—knowing for what they signed, and of what they com plained—then he would in candour ask the House not to consider such a petition undeserving of credit, when the one now before them was read (Cheerio. Sir T. LETHBRIDGE expressed himself considerably sur prised at what had fallen from the lion, and Learned Gentle. man. lie, however, must withhold his belief from the story until he he ard the name of the person who was the author of the communication. When the name was kpown, he could judge whether he was better than a master or a scholar. The fact, just mentioned were quite astounding, and he begged to declare his en tire ignorance of them. The petition, he knew, was, signed by many Magistrates, by some clergymen, and by many hundreds of the yeomanry of Wales. Mr. BROUGHAM, in reply, begged to say, that his corre spondent was not a schoolmaster, but a gentleman of the most respectable ommexions, and of the highest honour. It was not fair to ask him for his name. Ile (Mr. Brougham) had not men tioned the name of any individual, and therefore ought not to be called on to give up the name of a private correspondent. 1 The petition was then brought up, and ordered to be printed. EAST INDIA HOUSE, Peb. 18, 11125. HE Conn tr Directors of the Ilnited Company of 4. Merchants of England, trading to the East ladies, do hereby KIPC That a GENERAL COURT of the said COMPANY will be held by adjournment. at their House in Leadenhall.straet, on FaIDAY neat, the 25th instant, at II o'clock in the forenoon, for the purpose of continuing the consideration "of the Ilydrabad rapers now before the Proprietors, u far as they respect the con duct of the most Noble the Marquis of Hastings, late Governor- General of India." JOSEPH DART, Secretary. HOUSE OF COMMONS, FRIDAY, FEB. 18. DRURY-LANE THEATRE. TO BE LET THIS EVENING, an excellent STAGE BOX for Eight Persons, for Three Guineas. Also, one at VE CONT-GARDEN, for Six Num, Two Guineas and Half. Tickets for the French Play. Persons desirous of disposing of their Boxes for the Season, Week, or alternate Nights, are requested to apply to CHARLES WRIGHT, Wine.merchant. next to the King's Theatre, Opera Colonnade, Hay Instket. ,f, r, of 74 t Set. :s. Nu rnt and Ocean, nxt Lia r, from e, Nay. Concor. SAINT PATRICK'S CARITY SCHOOLS, and ASYLUM FOR FEMALE ORPHANS. TO-MORROW, SUNDAY, the 20th instant, a SERMON, for the Benefit of the above Institutions, will be Preached at the ch ape l R o y a l of Spain, Spanish-place, Manchester-square, by the Rev. W. MORRIS. CATHOLIC ASSOCIATION OF IRELAND. To be published, immediately after the conclusion of the Proceed ings in both Houses of Parliament, respecting the Catholic Association of Ireland, AFULL and accurate REPORT of the DEBATES; also, the Transactions of the Association relating to the proposed Bill for their Suppression, with Notes and Illustrations; and an Introductory Address to the Protestants and Dissenters of Great Britain and Ireland. By ENEAS AIACDONNELL, Esq. Barrister at Law, Agent to the Catholic Association of Ireland. Printed for James Ridgway, Piccadilly. lonaf ; ci Dun a, Phil. n. Alex , for Ba. for Ha. avidson, Agow to n hence, to }h. I carried Dicept l INDIA. r• ous wca il of ally Nat are Liisers reinairs MADRAS, SE PT. 28. The fever with which Madras has been so long visited still cup ()flues, and, we regret to stare, the number of those who were attacked does not diminish. We are amongst the sufferers, and our present paper (Madras Courier) has been concocted on a sick couch. It is with extreme regret we find the Cholera has again appeared amongst us ; during the last neck this dreadful disease has deprived the society of Madras of one of its most valued mem bers. The many deaths which have occurred during the present season have been truly awful. Until a considerable quantity of rain has fallen, we fear Madras will continue unhealthy ; we hope, therefore, the few showers which we have recently had will prove the harbinger of a plentiful supply. A letter reached us yesterday from Rangoon, dated the I.lth of August. On the 10th, Colonel Kelly, with 200 of the Madras European regiment, were ordered out to attack a stockade, stated to be about 20 miles up the river ; before, however, the troops had proceeded above six or seven miles, they fell in with two stockades, one on each bank, which they thought had been vacated ; a heavy tire was opened from the kit bank, and to which the troops were exposed toe a considerable time, owing to the boat lascars no; showing a disposition to law it, and the delay occasioned in land ing the scaling ladders ; this, however, being effected, the place was carried without further resistance. The stockade on the right bank then commenced a very destructive lire, numbers of the Madras European regiment being wounded, and some few killed. Captain Wilson, 10th h1.N.1. was wounded slightly on the head ; Lieut. Grubb, M.JI.H. through the band, and 3h. Maw, Naval Aid.cle.Camp to Sir A. CamOell, in the face. Our correspondent does not mention whether the last stockade was carried, but we conclude that it wse- We hive received a letter from Chittagong of the iith inst., from which we make the following extract : " Brigadier. General Morrison has joined our force, but I hays not seen him. Ile has assumed the command of the troops, and brigaded them. Sir E. Paget is expected at Chittagong with a bcrly of cavalry, and strong reinforcement of artillery and infantry. The union of these forces with those at present stationed here indicates a pro. bable intention on the part of Government to make ours the grand urmy ; and if the report of Sir E. Paget's arrival be confirmed, the conjecture will be borne out. " The field fortifications here, upon which so much time and labour have been bestowed, have very prematurely become useless, the rains having brought down large portions of the breast-works." i—Madras CCII I ier. avannah. Board of Grace, to 10 : Consular the Seine r Sisters, M. floi. the occa. el having number, their case ity of Lis the most money 1 incurred humanity your care, ,ken with iewfounil. Vander nna Vit. orff. For It, Visas. r, Brady; aori. For Aquatic, Vrow Nakrkaw, AMERICAN PAPERS. NI:WNY, JAW. 21. The wreck of the French ship Jerome Maxirnilien, which left this port on the 2d or 3d of December.. for Port-au-Prince, having on board forty or fifty coloured emigrants, has drifted ashore at Turks' Island. The packet ship Meteor, which cleared for Liverpool on Satur day, with a full cargo, only entered from that port on the preced ing Slonday—and commenced discharging a cargo of 130 tons coal, dry goods, hardware, &c. for about eighty consignees, at ten o'clock On Tuesday. She sails this day. The sloop Nautilus, of New Patz, on her passage from Pough keepsie to this port, last Friday night, struck on a rock near Wag ner's Island, bilged and sunk, her stern in thirty, and her bows in six feet water. The passengers and crew, 26 in number, and the deck lead, consisting of.loo barrels of flour, beer, flaxseed, and a few bales of dry goods, were taken off by the schooner Forty Nine of Peekskill. The cargo in the hold consisted of flour, flaxseed, beer, dry goods, 300 bushels of barley, &c. It was sup. posed the sloop would be raised. The Western Boundary of the United States, established by cut ttesty with Spain, has been recognised by the Government of Mexico as the true boundary between the United States and Mexico. Park, on i—at halt• COUNTY COURTS' BILL Sir R. FERGUSON presented a petition from a gentleman of the county of Durham, respecting the County Courts' BilL—Re ferred to the Committee. (ham, and es' kennel , errs every Club will Woad, on Wood Is once ham ar induces y well at- CATHOLIC ASSOCIATION. Sir M. SOMERVILLE presented several petitions in favour of the Catholic Association among them were petitions from the following places--City and County of Meath, Dunboyne and Dunshaugl.lin.—Ordered to be printed. Mr. M. FITZGERALD presented two petitions in favour of the Association, from Tralce and Killarney. Ile begged to call the attention of the House particularly to the latter; it was no ordi nary petition—at the head of the signatures was the name of Lord Kenmare, one of the most extensive landed proprietors, perhaps, in all Ireland. 'Phis petition showed clearly the union existing among Catholics; and why should not they be unitcd in their opposition and remonstrance against new and penal statutes ? The lion. Gentleman proceeded to say that Lord Kenmore, who was one of the petitioners, was descended from one of the most ancient and noble families in Ireland—a nobleman distin. guished for the most devoted and uncompromising loyalty. His brothers were engaged in the service of their country—they had served in the several campaigns intact their distinguished country. man,and one of them returned Maimed with wounds (hear); and they were now actively engaged in preserving the peace of the country. The Honourable Member, in conclusion, observed, that the C'atho lies of Ireland were not only actuated by a sense of their rights as freemen, but also by a feeling of devotion and loyal attachment as subjects. BRITISH CATHOLICS. übstribrn, etting was le backed is i icca 1T The Bill " to abolish imprisonment for debt," was, on the 17th January, rejected in the Senate of the United States, by a majority of three votes. We understand that the United States Bank yesterday invested one hundred and twenty thousand dollars 44 per cent. stock, on ac count of General La Fayette.—Philodelphis Paper. We understand it is the intention of General La Fayette to ap propriate the remaining eighty thousanddollars to the liquidation of claims on him in France, and that he intends to reserve the land given to him, as a bequest to his children.—Amer. t From the National latelligeneer.l RELATIONS WITH SPAIN. A resolution of the Senate, passed at the last session of Congress, called upon the President of the United States to transmit to that body information of the effect produced on our relations with Spain by the recognition of the Independent South American Govern ments. The documents affording that information it was his inten bon to have laid before Congress in connexion with the Message. That intention was accidentally not carried into effect. On the sth of this month they were transmitted to Congress. They make a volume of 140 printed pages. The papers show a state of considerable excitement on both sides, for the hat two or three years, between this Government and that of pain. We learn from them the fact, which we were not before aware of, that the conduct of Mr. Anduaga. the last Minister from Spain to this country, was considered FO offensive as to have been made the subj ect o t' representation to Ins Government, through our Alinisicr, Mr. Nelson. From the Baltimore Federal Gazelle, Jan. 14.1 Oar city was, this morning, suddenly deprived of one of its most estimable and most esteemed citizens—General Robert Ooodloe Harper is no more ! About nine o'clock this morning, after eating breakfast as usual with his family, in apparent good health and spirits, he was stand ing before the fire reading a newspaper, when the hand of death suddenly deprived him of sensation ; he fell back on the floor and expired without uttering a word. For more than two weeks east General Harper had been actively and anxiously engaged in the trial of an important cause in the Cir cuit C ourt of the United States for this District, now in session here : yesterday, at about two o'clock, he concluded a speech to the Jury, commenced the preceding day, which, for eloquence and pow. erful argument, was considered to have equalled any that he had ever delivered. Although he did not appcsir to be fatigued by his exertions, and was in excellent spirits during the evening, it is toes probible that, like the great Pinkncy, he fell a sacrifice to his professional dudes. General Harper was sixty years of age. lie was too well known and too highly esteeme d by all who knew him, to require any eulo gy or, his character, talents, and worth. Upon the rootionthetibePetitiOn be now read, Lord NUGENT rose. He stated, that a fact had come to his knowledge which he considered worthy of notice ; it related to the Bill which was introduced into that House, for the suppression of the Catholic Association. This measure he, in common with many others, deprecated, as he considered it prejudicial to the tranquillity of the sister country, and menacing In the liberty of the subject. On a former evening he had taken the liberty of expressing his belief, that in the course of the Session the House would be put in possession of some manifestation of the British Roman Catholics' feelings on the subject of Emancipation ; and also of some ex pression which would prove how warmly they sympathised in the feelings of their fellow-subjects. The prediction which he then announced had been verified much sooner than he had expected. The British Catholic Association had met that day, and drawn up a petition for the purpose of preseltation to the House. It was from the Roman Catholics of England, with the Earl Marshal at their head. It proved that the Catholics of England sympathised in spirit and feeling with their Irish fellow-subjects, and like them deprecated a measure, which, whilst it abridged the; right of the subject, effected no corresponding good. Ile (Lord Nugent) understood that he should, at a very early opportunity, have the honour of presenting this petition to the House. Before he sat down, lie begged to remark that the petition of the English Catho lics was drawn up without any communication, direct or indirect, with the Catholic Association of Ireland. teer Roy ulo p. (linker Int 1) ei, Esq. or Atoston, of . Barrows. sughteT ot Esq. of the to lets Cul. laughter ot the last of dent farm. aged 100 • of a quay. ; and dor m eyesight er faculties a sellar, in Teat age of id retained abi tants cf r shoes or of Canter- -I n n -late, HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, JAx. le. NIAGA. The third r ea di ng of the R Bill " furthA SUFFEerR to ERS amend the Act au. thorising the payment fur property lost, captured, or destroyed by the enemy, whil st in the service of the United States, and for other purposes," having taken place, and the question being on its pas. 111 :.'r, was, after a further debate which occupied most of the day, decided its the affirmative... Ayes, la Nays, 69. PROVINCIAL IRISH BANKS. Mr. 51 - QUEEN presented a petition foe leave to Win in a Bill fa the establishment of Provindld Books it Jr ' erred to a Committee. HUNGERFORD MARKET. Mr. COURTENAY presented a petition for leave to bring in a Bill to rebuild Hungerford Market.—Referred to a Committee. PORTABLE GAS. Mr. Alderman WOOD presented a petition from the Portable Gas Company, for incorporating the same.—Referred to a Com mittee. THAMES QUAY. Col. TRENCH presented a petition, praying fur the reference to a Committee of a plan for the erection of a Quay along the Thames. Sir J. YORK begged that his lion. Friend would pause before he lent himself to a plan such as that recommended in the present petition. Ile hoped his lion. Friend would not sacrifice his judg ment to his taste. No person entertained a higher opinion of his Hon. Friend than lie did ; he wrote extremely well, few persons spoke better, and he drew admirably (a laugh); but he trusted that he would not on this occasion be permitted to draw from the pockets of the people. (Much laughter.) Before Government gave its high sanction to the proposed nteasure, due regard should be had for the property which was situated along the banks of die Thames. Notwithstanding all the imposing promise of pil lars, of arches, of flower gardens, of fruit gardens, of promenades, &c. the proposed erection would, in his opinion, destroy the bandy of that noble river which it was intended to improve. (Hear, hear.) IVith all these, and all the essences of his lion. Friend (a laugh), it would make that river a receptacle for all the filth of the metropolis, so as to create a pestilence. Ih'no point of view in which he regarded the subject could he contemplate it but as a plan most unnecessary, and injurious even for the purposes which it was in tended to promote. (Hear, hear.) TOBACCO DUTIES. ESTCOL'RT presented a petition front Devises against the duty on tobacco. Lord BELGRAVE presented a similar petition from Chester. Alderman SMITH presented a petition from the Cordwainers of the City of London against the House and Window Tax. COURT OF CHANCERY. Mr. J. 11l LLIAAIS moved for a return of the number o?bills disposed of in the Court of Chancery, from the first day of Michael mas Term, 1824, to the first day of slichaelmas Term, 182 S, in ' elusive, distinguishing those whirls were disposed of on hearing from those which were struck off. He also moved for a return of the mandatory part of the orders on motions (as we understood), and whither and to whom the deposits were returned. Mr. PEEL assented to the first part of the motion, as those pa pers were only a continuation of returns, which had been before granted. lie could wish that the Honourable and Learned Gen tleman would give notice of a motion to move fix the latter part of these papers, as they were new, and had not before been required. Mr. J. WILLIAMS said, he would take what the Right lion. Gentleman was inclined to give for the present, and take an occa sion of moving for the remainder. CATHOLIC ASSOCIATION. Mr. SPRING RICE presented a petition from the inhabitants of die county and city of Limerick, against the Bill at present in progress through Parliament, for die suppression of the Catholic Association. It was numerously and respectably signed, and he might fairly say, that the sentiments it contained were those of the whole Catholic population of that district. They stated, that nei ther the sets nor intentions of the Catholic Association were such as to render necessary a restrictive law to suppress them. There was one part of the petition to which he wished to direct the attention of the House, as it met a complaint which had been made against the Association. It had been stated, that the Catholic Association claimed the merit of having tranquillized the country: they claimed no such thing ; but they did claim—and they had a right to claim —credit for having contributed to its tranquillity. (hear, hear.) They did not exercise the functions of Government, but they ad mitted that Government had done much to restore the peace of the country. The Catholic Association, in the opinion of the petitioners, and in his (11r. Rice's) opinion also, had greatly aided the constituted authorities of the land in producing that tranquil state of things in Ireland. The objects of the Association were threefold ; Ist, that of exercising the right of petition ; 2dly. that of procuring a well-ordered system of education for the poor Catho lic peasantry of Ireland ; and, :Idly, of procuring a fair and impar tial administration of justice for those of their countrymen who were aggrieved, and who had not the means of procuring jus tice. In doing so they disclaimed any intention of - exercising the privileges of the Attorney-General, or assuming any of the functions of Government. (Hear, hear.) There was nothing, they submitted, illegal in the proceedings of the Association, or any thing that required the enactment of a law to suppress that body. (Hear, hear.) Ordered to be printed. Colonel TRENCH said, he had a petition to present from the Archdeaconry of Ely, the prayer of which was far different from that of the last petition. The petitioners complained of the recent dangerous encroachments on the Constitution. In the second para graph of the petition, they expressed themselves to the effect, that the Catholic Association was hostile to the spirit, and trenched on the practice of the Constitution. They declared, that the Papists now, as much as at any previous time, laboured under the moat ab ject prostration of intellect to their bigoted clergy. They com plained that the Catholics were, and always had been, addicted to turbulence and rebellion; and the petitioners concluded by again expressing their alarm at the existence of, and the danger likely to ensue from, the Catholic Association. The Honourable Gentleman said, he entirely concurred with the prayer of the petition ; and would at present not trespass longer on the attention of the House, than to express again his entire concurrence in the just apprehen sion that was entertained of the undue and baneful exercise by this Association over the people of Ireland .— Ordered to be printed. Sir J. NEWPORT said he had several petitions to present against the contemplated Bill to put down the Catholic Associa tion. The first which he would have the honour to present was signed but by a small number, not more than fifty. It came from one of the most respectable parishes in Dublin, and, though the ' signatures to it were but few, he could assure the House that the petitioners were possessed of more than four hundred thousand I pounds in property. These persons of property so enlarged, came forward to complain that the peace of Ireland was likely to be ma terially endangered by the present Bill. The petitioners had a large stake in the country ; they were interested in the preservation of the public peace, and, with a view to the preservation of that peace and of their own property, it was that they now came for ward. They contemplated the danger to result from this Bill; they looked on it as the recommencement of penal statutes, and perhaps the fruit of a series of new and oppressive enactments ; they believed it was a prelude to numerous encroachments on the liberty of the people, not only in Ireland, but in England also ; and the Right Honourable Baronet conjured the English Members to rouse themselves, and look to this view of the question, as, though the Bill was to have no immediate operation in Ireland, yet, in its provisions, it might act as a precedent for similar Acts hi this country. (Cheers.) It was material that both they and tie House should take that view of the matter ; for though the measure was declared to be temporary, it was accompanied with a declaration that it was to be a substitute to six millions of people for their just and acknowledged rights. (Cheers.) This measure of injustice and oppression was to be co-existent with that unjust denial. (Cheers.) The petitioners, as lovers of peace and good order, prayed that no law may be enacted to curtail the liberty of the subject ; that no steps may be pursued to suppress the Catholic Association, which had conferred such eminently beneficial service on the people of Ireland ; and, above all, they prayed that the few existing privi leges of the Catholics may not be diminished. The petition was then brought up, and, at the desire of the Right lion. Baronet, it was read through. It was from the parish of St. Ana's Audeon, in the city of Dublin—Ordered to be printed. Sir JOHN NEWPORT then presented similar petitions from the following places;—The town and parish of Tuam, town of Drogheda, barony of Iffa and Offa, in the county of Tipperary; from the parish of Kilnamana, and town of Roscrea, in the same county.--Ordered to be printed. Sir THOMAS I.ETHBRIDGE presented a Petition against the Catholic Association. He said, that a great many more Peti tions of a similar nature would be presented, but for the very salu tary measures about to he taken by his Majesty's Ministers to put down that illegal Association. The Petition was from a large body of his constituents, who were justly alarmed. They begged of him to present it as soon as possible. It earnestly called on the House to enact such laws as they in their wisdom might deem fit, to check illegal Associations. The Petition was signed by upwards of three thousand persons, residing in the city of Wells and its vicinity. They ever regarded the delivery of this kingdom from Papal influence as the great source of our present power and great new—they declare themselves, the friends to religious liberty in iu fullest extent (Cheers from the Opposition Benches) —they declare The petition was then laid on the table, and ordered to be printed. IRISH CATHOLICS. Sir F. BURDETT, in presenting to the House the petition of certain Roman Catholics of Ireland. members of the Catholic Association, praying for a full and fair inquiry into the objects and proceedings of the Catholic Association, offered a few observations in support of the prayer of the petition. He was the less inclined to trouble the House with any lengthened remarks, as the motion of his Hon. and Learned Friend (Mr. Brougham) would shortly come before the House. The petitioners only desired inquiry ; they only asked that they should be allowed to prove the rectitude of their intentions ; that a stigma should not be affixed to their proceedings without reason. He hoped that the House would con sent to give the petitioners a fair opportunity of doing themselves ivatice, and that the House would also do itself justice, by attend ing to the common interest of the country. The petition was ordered to be printed. HIS MAJESTY'S MAILS. Sir JOHN NEWPORT moved for returns of copies of all me morials presented by public bodies in Ireland, respecting the con veyance of his Majesty's Mails ; also of the measures adopted by the Post-office, in consequence of these memorials.—Ordered. WAYS AND MEANS. On the motion of the CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER . - the !louse then resolved itself into a Committee of Ways and Means The SPEAKER having left the Chair, The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved, that five millions, semaketag In the Exchequer from the last year, should be applied to the swam of the peewit year; also that a suns of twenty millions be rased on Exchequer bills for dm service of the year El 4 These votes panted without opposition, and It was resolved that the House should again eesolee - itself into a Committee of Ways and Means on Monday next. MOTION FOR INQUIRY. Mr. BROUGR AM—ln rhing, Sir, to submit to the House a proposition, of which I gave notice lest night, I confess I feet con siderable anxiety. I fear I have undertakee that which would require a more able advocate, and I again repeat, that I do feel much anxle , when * I call upon the House for its attention upon this most im porta nt topic. At another period, or upon an ordinary measure, Ishould not inertehuse such a proposal with a grave and urgent motion, since in all ordinary cases, practical wisdom, as well as justice require, never to condemn without giving those who are 1 accused a hearing, and never to refuse a hearing to the accessed 1 when they demand it. I should have supposed that feelings lite 1 these would have governed this House, had 1 not seen something ' like a disposition to hurry this measure—to force it through its Sc. venal stages. It is this disposition a hick I think I have ob served, that has made my mind uneasy as to the result of this motion. I had been under the impression that it would have been agreed to as a matter of course ; but this aymptom to which I have alluded, induced me to fear that it may be otherwise, and that this motion may be contended, and opposed by those who hare introduced the BilL I find, to my un speakable astonishment, that Gentlemen are not satisfied with en treat:chivied hastening a penal measure, which has been founded, upon accusations partlyamagmed, partly finputad—apartndosindoliv which have been diminished, explained, hnd weakened, without any irquiry. But when the facts are sought to be investigated— when the accused demand inquiry. and cry, in the spirit of the allusion made by his Honourable Friend the Member for West minater (Sir F. Burdett), when they cry_" Strike, but hear!"— when those very Gentlemen swallowed, as facts, reports which are already proved to have been unfounded, I repeat, it fills me with unspeakable astonishment to find, that these Gentlemen resolve— decide we will, but hear we will not. This determination it is that causes me deep anxiety ; for a question of more fearful import never came before this House, and it Italian be decided hastily, I tear it will be a source of deep and lasting regret to this House and to the country. Good God ! refuse to allow six millions of people to vindicate themselves ! Close the doors of this House against inquiry ! When the petitioners court inquiry—when they demand the strictest scrutiny into their motives and proceedings, is it pos sible that the House can be so unjust as to try, condemn, sentence, and execute, witl.out inquiry? It cannot be possible that the House should come to such a decision. I entertain a hope that the House will not incur the fearful responsibility which must mite by a refusal of the humble, but firm and reasonable, demand for inquiry. The nearer I view the subject, the more I think on it, the more attention I devote to it, the more encouragement do I derive. The more monstrous the alternctive which appears in the event of • refusal, the more impossible does it seem to me that the House should incur so frightful a responsibility, as that which would arise from the rejection of the motion for inquiry. Ido not mean to debate the principle of the Bill over again ; not because I think the subject has been exhausted ; on the contrary, I think it , worthy of debate night a ft er night, when e ver a p e titi on s h a ll h e 1 presented—in every stage of the Bill, and even after it has passed, if It shall ever pas., I do think it desetves and require., repeated I discussion. But I shall not now enter into the principle of the Bill, ' because the question which I now have the honour of submitting is not involved in the principle of the Bill. Those Hon. Mena , hers who may have spoken iii favour of the Bill, and who sup ported its introduction, may now most consistently and rationally support the motion for inquiry. Those who differed with me when the Bill was brought forward, and were then opposed to my send. menus, may now conscientiously support my motion. I h ave no hesitation in averring, that if, instead of earnestly wishing that this Bill should not pass, I would be most forward to support the present motion for inquiry, I should then be most anxious to pave the way for the introduction of the Bill, by hearing the parties in their defence. This is all I call upon the House now to do, and I cannot contemplate any thing more dreadful then the consequences which may arise front rashly adopting a measure like that proposed, without sufficient inquiry. The greater the necessity for the introduction of the Bill, in the same proportion does the necessity exist for sifting the pro ceedinge upon which it is founded, which can only be fairly done by hearing the parties. This is the only way, the least objection able way, of coming at the real facts. If the House shall agree to the Bill, after a rigid scrutiny of the proceedings upon which it is founded, and atter hearing the parties whom it is intended to effect, in their own defence, it will take away the grounds for cavil. None can say to the House, you have determined rashly and incon siderately—you have trenched upon our rights as subjects, without inquiry and without necessity—you bade agreed to a penal law. the necessity for which is not grounded upon facts. Upon those grounds I should call upon the House to support the motion for in quiry ; but there exists another groand. lam authorised here to tell the House that a cloud of witnesses are ready to refute the account of those faces upon which his Majesty's Ministers have grounded this Bill. There is no man who, uppn general reasoning, could take upon him to propose such a Bill; It must be grounded upon facts. Nn man could think of proposing such a Bill, as lie might the consolidation of the Excise or Customs, or any matter of noto riety, like the abuses of the Court of Chancery. But even there, in the Case of the Court of Chancery, to show the value of notoriety in some cases, and its extensive application in others, when my Honourable Friend, the Member for Lincoln (Mr. J. Williams), proposed an investigation—and no doubt there is not, there cannot, be a greater practical grievance than the abuses of the Court of Chancery,—how did my Honourable and Learned Friend proceed ? Did he move a vote of censure? Did he introduce a Bill ? Or did he request the House to pass it without inquiry ? No such thing: alter a statement of great power, and in support of which he in troduced many facts, lie at length induced the House to consent, in spite of the mock proceeding—l mean the partial proceeding— i allude to the expression uaed by the Attorney-General—not to the passing of a Bill, but to the appointment of a Committee of Inquiry. This House needs not, it ought not, to incur responsi bility, by acting upon measures spun out of any theoretical brain ; its measures should be founded in facts. Is this a measure intended to abridge the right of petitioning in a free coun. try. Is this a measure upon which the principle I allude to ought to be suspended ? Is this a measure upon which the House ought to legislate, without considering the facts? But what were the facts stated by the Hon. Member who introduced the Bill ? They were as numerous and various as they were correct • there were only two facts mentioned by him. The number was indeed limited,• but the accuracy—that had no limits, though it was indeed little. The Catholics of Ireland are anxious to meet the few facts which have been produced. They desire to remove the impressions which have arisen from the statement of such facts. They here tender—they authorise me to tender parole and written evidence to substantiate the statements contained in their petition. There is much in a Member thus pledging himself in his place, that he is ' authorised to impugn the facts which have been produced. After this, should the House say, we don't wish for inquiry, we wish to legislate? Why, whet should such an answer mean ? That we don't want petitions on this subject that petitions haunt us. We don't wish witnesses, for they are the injured parties, and we have done them harm enough already. We will not be tormented with their defence. We should only be annoyed with their tales of distress, and if we permitted them to appear before us, we may only add insult to injury. But I should say, don't let the House be afraid, for if you open the door to the evidence which if offered to you, I have little doubt but you will shut out the Bill. (Hear, bear.) An example or two is worth many observations. and I shall relate one, to show the value of evidence and of inemiry. I hope the House has not forgotton the Right Honourable Gentleman (Mr. Goulbourn's) email and select collection of facts. I hope the House may recollect the case of the soldier which the Right lion. Gentleman mentioned, and which has been observed upon by several Gentlemen at the opposite side. Could any mortal man, who heard the statement of the soldief's prosecution. doubt that he was overwhelmed by the weight of the Catholic Aristocracy— that a prosecution had been entered upon by the unanimous vote of the Association, supported by the weight of their purse? It was natural to suppose every man in the House must believe, after such a relation of injury end oppression, that Hanlon, the soldier, was an Orangeman and a Protestant. No Gentleman in this House could have doubted it. But what was the fact? Why, it appeared that Hanlon was a Catholic and an Irishman, and that . he had been prosecuted for administering unlawful oaths. This example may serve to prove how necessary it was that the House should not condemn without having evidence before it. (Hear, hear, hear.) But then there is the petition from Wells against the Association, anti there may be petitions from many other ancient cities, but perhaps evidesce might not be inapplicable to those, It may demonstrate upon what that alarm is found-' ed, which the petitioners so pathetically express. But suppose I shall have it in my power to submit to the consideration of the House strong, positive, and undeniable proofs—proofs to which I shall not fear to challenge the utmost professional acute ness of Learned Gentlemen who sit upon the other side of the House, and, among others, those who stand among the must em'- nent of them, both in power, learning, and local information, the Attorney-Generals for England and Ireland--should I, in the name of this much-calumniated Association, offer such proofs, and thus throw down the gauntlet to the champions of the measure now in progress, will they not accept the challenge previous to making up their minds upon a subject of such overwhelming and vital im portance? Should he be able to quiet the apprehensions of the Church-alarmists of ells country, to show them the groundless na ture of their fears, and, in fact and truth, to dissociate the Catholic Association and the Catholic community from any participation or fellowship whatsoever with the assailants of the Church of England as by law established—should I be able to effect this, what will be come of all those alarms and cries of "No Popery" new so zealously raised ? I tell this House, anti its doing so Ido not speak rashly or unadvisedly, that it is the known, the decided, and tin expressed opinion, as well as the deep and mesa, feeling of the most eminent among the very many eminent men who are at the head of the Ca tholic Association—no matter how sincere and enthusiastic is their , lea and devotion towards their own Churcb—no matter how they, or others of their body, may smart under the etigroasing power of the Established Church, yet I tell the )louse and it, country. daft the leaders of the Catholic Association deprecate the idea of ay er possible interference with the tensporaliiva t of that Church. 'l' would not, Sir, had/they the power, uerisfer one tithe-sheet( from the Prim:sista to the Popish Rierarthe. The expreasioo of their feeling on that subject and I helices it to be a sincere one— is. ut God forbid we ehoutd ever see the day whim our (Iva) shall beco me possessed of the temporalities of the Protea:alit Establish. . meat." Rot en this subject I aim; al not oily to derlsrations tiet to facts--facts w.)tielt speak volumes—tire coNg,ct a the codiaio. . themselves. going lo the discoinfitiag of those who rathe thole voices against the Catholics, and egnally going to assure aa satisfy the minds of those who might have entertained 'any Akira with respect to the integrity of the Church Faitoblietthent or 'hie country. But, Sir, t put forth this fact only as a sorriplo of the evidence which can he produced at the bar pt. floe House, if the opportunity be afforded ; and I assure the house, that It is iset my object, nor the object of the Association, in niakiiig tlicir ee -1 eldest to be heard # your bar, to oceasiott as* feethectfelte, ttr pa. Inecessarily to protract the second read rtg of the Bill intrcduced loy lhe Hon. the Secretary for Ireland, 1:711C3.1, indeed, it be the Leen tiou of Gentlernem to read the Bill a Aeons] time ha-morrow, in, stead of Monsiny, the day for which it is fixed., And if (ice tale are desinnts of taking that unparlianientary atom in their ahaiste • to hurry on this Bill through its several stages, f fer one will /tot object even to that. If you grant the prayer of these petilloiers to be heard by Counsel and evidence at the bar of yostr pie s th at is not a measure which will itraied,e the' progress of al Ilill, ex cepting is so far as it tnay induce you to throw it our altogether, for the witnesses are now reedy to appear before you. Yes, Sir, twenty or thirty of the gendetnen best able tot ekve iniptiraint • testimony, ire already *Meads and waititg pParga....--if yyy ate' soadecide it—to miler it at bar of tics Roese. They are set lesothe pip tioiechr a s—tliougla co one can Le more ready to apprecia and eologarrikir groat &squirt*, TittaU 1.,' ,irere am—but they have come to this country with the hope, and with the reliance upon your known justice, that you will permit. Orin to appear before you, and give them the opportunity they seek to clear their conduct,explain their motives, vindicate the Association, defend their countrymen, Alld maintain the integrity of their religion. These AM the objects they have had in vice' in their request; and, let me add a still higher one, the maintenance and coottnuauon of the peace and tranquillity of Ireland. However unwilling Hon. Gentlemen on the other aide, and the favourers of the proposed measure, may be to call these persons to the bar of the House, I feel persuaded, if they comply with their request, and permit t:-WI , to give the explanation they offer—,jf they will but hear these men, ! and permit them to tell their own story in their own wirds, I feel persuaded Gentlemen wiU hate no reason to regret ;laving complied with the prayer of the petition. lam sure, it I can ye:a tore to prophesy the effects of such concession, front what I know of the objects of the Association, from what I have seen of these gentlemen who now crave a hearing at the bar of the House, sad from all] hare meditated on the subject, I may venture to predict, that both parties will come out of the inquiry, however it may ter minate, with mutual feelings of good-will and satisfaction. Ad dressing myself to the opposers of Unman Catholic relief. I tell them you will come out of the investigation with your prejudice.; against that body, if not removed, at least considerably sottcced ; and they will depart from the bar of your House, whether suc cessful, or leaving the fixed hostility to their claims unshaken, carrying to the bosoms of their countrymen such feelings of re poet for your justice, and delight for the kindness of your treatment, as, will enable you to do with ease Ind safety that which otherwise you can merely dare to do,-1 mean, to pass a Bill to gag the people of Ireland, without affording them substantial justice and relief. The; prospect now before the House of conciliating the people of Ireland is so impatient, and. I will add, unexpected, that 1 must crave at, tention while I dwell upon it more particularly, and in proportion to its magnitude. In doing so, I beg it to be understood, that I arm not talking the language of party. or assuming the tone of defiance. It is now our wish to conciliate all parts of the empire ; and when, in the.whole history of the country, have we had such an opportu nity to conciliate Ireland, and bind her in the closest bonds of atm-, ty, as we possess this night ? You have, at this moment, ready and waiting to meet you, the most ulistintuished members of the Ca, tholic community in that country. lou have, I n:av be allowed to say, virtually all Ireland ready to come into this house and su a leennise a compact of conciliation with those silo should represrat the feelings and the wisdom of all England. Will you say to disci, " We will not hear you ; we will enter into no such compact—go away ?" If vou do, you do not merely say—" Go away, - bus you do a deed leading to scenes which the youngest man here will not live to ace the end of, and causing results which the boldest Matt in this House will have ressomso repent. Lord Liverpool, nlio has interviews with the Secretary of the Bible Society one day, and with the Antiquarian Society the next--each of them not a whit more legal than the Catholic Association—has refused to hold any corn, munication with Mr. 51• Donnell, the Society's Agent I trust this, house will not afford • comment and a corroboration of the Nob; it Lord's conduct in their treatment of the request of the Assn:jailor ; I trust vou will not say to there, " Go your ways,we gill entea into no discussion or explanation,—we will adopt a shorter outage.?-., put you down, and throw conciliation to the winds." If, Si:, this is the answer to Le returned by this House to the prayer of this pe tition, it will be the most grievous mistake ever committed by Par liament. This House did not adopt such conduct towitdi America in 1766 ; and 1775, when it did pursue such a lire of conduct, it was under other and widely different circumstances. The House, when at that period it had but two or three persona from the colonies before it, was not aware that they spoke the lan. guage which pervaded all America, with respect to the extravagant pretensions of the 3lother Country ; and it was cipially ignorant that Dr. Franklin poss,ased the affections and confidence of the American people, when it hired a man to traduce him before the Privy Council, which cost this country thirteen colonies. Here It is impossible for the House to doubt that the persons who addreaa them possess the copfidence of the Irish nation . ; for it is made a charge against them that they are the representatives of their Ca tholic countrymen. It is all well to argue in this manner, and / am willing to meet Gentlemen on the grounds of their own corers aion, and 1 tell them they ought to rejoice in the oppo:tu:.i:y alfoded thom to make a treaty with the Irish nation (of course i mean the Catholic, and larger part of it) through the medium er the Catholic Association. Sir, it will be easy to effect this. ii the House will but consent to entertain the proposition of the peti tioners. The House would either have to grant the wishes of the Association and the Catholic body, or else reject them, after a kind consideration. Let the Ilouse do this, and their determination will be submitted to. I beg of the House to consider whether the adop s tion of either of these alternatives be not better than to shut the door upon conciliation, by rejecting the prayee of the petition? Sir, this is a case in which I expect to be met by Honourable Gentle men opposite with a cry that it is against all precedent to comply with the request of the Association. 1 thick I can produce nee. cedents to bear me out ; but even if I failed in my attempt, the present is a case which is of such an original nature as to form • precedent itself ; and I shall not abate in my attempts. Sir, this. House lost America by precedents. In the year 1706, the Stamp, Act was passed by the existing House of Commons ; an Act of so offensive a nature to our American colonies, that numerous peti tions from residents in America, and the inhabitants of this coun try, were presented to the House against it. Those petitions were received, and their consideration referred to a Committee or the whole House, evidence was heard et the bar. etriong other, that or Dr. Franklin : not only were witnesses examined but Counsel heard, and the inquiry terminated in such a mariner as to induce the then House of Commons to repeal the obnoxious law. Here is a precedent in favour of the petitioners. Afterwards, I here to inform the House, various pritioni and remonstrences 'AM sent in easiest the Boston port and illassachusete Bilis, in ahich remenstrances the house was reminded, " that if disturbances had happened they should take into consideration the causes which had produced them, and that no general discontent could exist without being the curse quence of general oppression." Unfortunately for this country, the same course had not been adopted in 1775 as thet person! its 17ti1l. I expect all the arguments to be adducted on the present etcaslon will be drawn from the storehouse of the debates at that time. The Hedge will be told that " this is a measure of state policy, one of colonial policy, arid that no man was struck at more than an other." A droll reason for the adoption of a measure, that it is equally offensive to a whole nation. I will tell Gentlemen, that If these are the arguments to be repeated on the present occasion, they are those by which the country lost America. Lout even thri, the principles, I submit to the House, were understood, if act acted upon. I prove this, Sir, by a reference to the protest entered into against those grievous an d unprecedented measures, by ewes men whose names would stand high by the side of the proudest and noblest this country ever produced—l allude, Sir, to Lords Cam den, Portland, Fitzeilliara, a nd Rockingh am, whose tames I find affixed to this protest against the unjust encroachments of this country on her American colonies. What, Sir, were the sen timents of Dr. Franklin upon this subject, which I lanteat to ray was a somewhat similar one to the present ? God grant the simila rity may not proceed any farther than it has already. The Dootor. speaking of the measures adopted by the British Goverment, says. " Such measures might, perhaps, be easily carried in Ireland. where there exists the althea ratio of a standing army. ' Ir.'—ro adopt the Italian proverb—' you met yourselves sheep, the welcrs will eat you.'" He then goes on to say that the prepositions of the Colonies were inibi,mantly rejected by a large majority of the House, of whose q•ialtfications for government the Doctor enter tained so low an opinion that he conceived they " had scarce dis cernment sufficient to governs herd ofewine—a homely, tut. alas ! too true an opinion. I trust it will not be applicable to the present proceedings of this House. Ido entreat this Hoare to govern the• country, not by fear, but good will. anti to recollect that the dif ference between a slave and a rebel is tut very slight. This was the worthy of notice. It wee at that period the boast of Minister' diet d u o ti c o t n ri , ne bu w t h d ic et h o w tt as ixed yrop m ou v r i td a a r t; , he ran tim. a b i n!tte u A d me ur: they could march through Amenea with a battalion of toploal an lion re ess rol and having lost thousands of lives. and added milliotie toast debt. troops, and it was rot :ill after the lapse of seven oe eight yens. that they awoke to an enjoyment of their serums, rod perceiv e d that. our colonic* were r••ettlediably gone. I rejoice, Sit, in the ma ea. hetet example of meted to us by that country, whiet has goat on increasing with our growth, and exhibits at this tei a ment the splendid sight of a cowntry governing . itself • a . out tyranny either its Church or State, uniting pieties • -... greatness, and, ilia late instants, exhibiting a amble example of v a titude to its deliverers, scarcely paralleled la intent or eno .re eter, Cap. neneed on 'a ship the • •••••••••• ft.* 2. mammy A24.TOY, I :. :: 1 1 -,,, ,