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74 r, *.tl. ..47114e* • IMP. AIAL PARLI.IMLND. ItOUSE OF LORDS—FsIeAr; Jena 21. bicr; their Lordships, in a Committee of NWleg .9, heard Conn. thel, and wit testes in the Rove Pecrage, and adjourned the furtter nroe-edine till Wednesday. Mr, LASCCI.I.I 7 .S, from the Comment, brought up Mr ?alt's Indemnity It A, Whith was read a fiilt time, and ordered tis Th. Earl of SUFFOLK present...A a Poitiers against the r. C 1 1 -• Pour 11. 1 ,which. on the motion of the Loan Ca sit tattoo, en account of some informalities, his I,rairlship with drew for the purpose of presenting it at! another day, itt an ettiendeil form Lord WA LtSINGIIAM presented a Petition trent Mt. Justice tox, which stated the very heavy esneoce hr had heNt put to in defending himself before their Lordships ; that John Arm. sewing, Hugh Galbraith, and otlwrs who attended a', Petition• ets and witnesses against him, had, by petitioning their Lord ships, been allowed their expellee. , ; and that he being in a puNic capar;iy, was obliged hitherto to dots nll himself at own o. , :pence, against private Petitioners, whose expences, by enter of their Lordships, were &frayed by the public. It also stated, tlir.t at this time of the year many of their Lordships Were obliged to be absent from the H lase, on different busi nests ; and that hiving the greatest conidence in the impar. tiality of their Lordships, he liop-s1 thly would tale this Pea tition Into their consideration. _ f The LORD CHANCELLOR said, that the contents of the Petition were of so much consequence, that he would move it should be taken into consideration on Tuesday next, and chit their Lord:hips should be sumrnoced for that ;lay. Ordered: The Order of the [Say; for the recommitment of the Stipen diary Cumin: Rill lating read; The Duke of NORFOLK stated, that this Rill had bean breuglat up from the Commons at m late a period of th,,SesAlon as to preclude the potdbility of iti receiving that attention which a measure of sd moth importance required. it was hit sateution, therefore, aft.yr it had gone through the Committee. to move, thin the fusthet consideration of it be postponed until nest Ses•mit. The Bull was then recommitted, wirm the Archbishop of Armagh proposed en amendment, fir the purpose of laic the operation of the Bill to Ireland. A d , a short emiver . &scion between the Lord C'tancel'or, the Archbishop of flub • and the Archbishop of Canterbury, the amendment was negatived Vo shout a division. Several t louses were then gone through ; the Chairman re /arnica progre,r, and the Rill was ordimod to be further com imitte.l ua SVednewlay nett. Adjourned mill to-morrow. HOUSE OF COMMONS. The House resolved itself into a Committee of the whole House, upon Mr. Pitt's Indemnity Bill; the Report was brought op, and the Bill ordered to be eneraesed. Soon after, the Bill was read a third tinae, atid passe{. . Sir EVAN NEPEAN moved, that there be laid before the Howse an Account of the Sums lasaCti by the Treasurer of the Navy, to pursuance of the several Alt; respecting the cliecrivery of the l o nug.tudc at Sea; and also an Accounted the Burns disbursed hy the thonniiaioners of the Ifcard of longi tude from the Ist of June, lb . rd, to the let of Jane, 1605. Ordered. • Thu American Woollen Evportatien Bill was and a second time, and ordered to be commitu....l sot Friday next. The home res., land itself into a Committee on the Pone Cleree's Bal. The Report was brought .Ip, and the Bill or deal to Ire read a third time on Tuesday next. The House went into Corms:Aye upon the Woollen 'Manu facturers' Sumension 13::1,aud the Report was ordered to be re ceived on Taltay The Septet coon the Southern Whale Fishery was taken into further con, leration, and the resolution for coot iining, Arc a time to be lead, the bounties paid to vessels ir geeing In thu trade, being 'r.4, !cavil was given to bring in a Bill purse •ut thereto. Toe house resolved itself into a Committee upon the East Lulu Woollen Exportation Bill, and the Repontardered to be eeceived on 'Monday next. Mr. SPURGES BOURNF. moved for leave to bring in a XIII to authorise the Lord. Conniissioners of the Treasury to certtin :tools, wares, and ever:hanilises, to be ware , upon giving sufficient secoritees fur the duties payable On the sane, which was ordered accordingly. Mr. S 'URGES BOURNE also obtained leave to bring in a Bill for the better regolation of the Waeee s f Setitien engaged in the Coasting Trade, which was t. tit in aecordinglr, read a first ant second time, And ordered to be committed on Monday next. The Bark Preservation Bill was reed a third time and pasvel. Mr.I)ICICINSONI brought up the Reorsit open the Land- Tax Red.ma;.den Bill : the seyval amendaients were read and agreed to, and the Bill ordered to be eng-oned, and read a third time nn Mototav next. Mr. JOHN L t TOITCHF. obtained leave to bring in a 11.11 fair the better Rsgulatina of the Trade of Bakers in the City and comity of Dublin, which was brought in accordingly, reed a first and second thee, and ordered to be committed on Aforoley next. Mr. Rat, from the. Excise Office, attended at the Ba- of the Moose with an account of the number of Birre:s of herrings cured in the Isle of Man, during a seetain period, which WAS ordered to Ile on the table. Mr. ROBERT DUNDAS s.misnmts broeght up the lt, , port of the Cartminittee upon the Cochineal, Sarnia, and betty Duties, which was real, and leave g.vea to bring in a Bill pursuant thereto. Mr Mikes, from the Olier. 'lithe Board of r.rintronl, at tended at eau Bar, an Account of the Number of Soldiers ellusbaseed in the East Indies, and returned to this country, from the year 179 h, to the year ISOO; which was ordered to lie an the tab!c. Cornet d:R.ALIFITIRD roe°, and said, that it had been his intention to more that those papers shoot,' be edified, hat as they could not be done in time for his motion on M niday next, be would tint persevere in that hoention. Upon Mation of Mr. VANS' rrArt . r, the further consld.r. atoms of tha Broort of the Coot natee upon the Dublin PAYSItg 11101. was poetpoited till Mooday next. Tits: Ilnuss went into i Conimitra.. noon the Irish Leyelisis Catn;ieasatiou UM, and the Report ordered to be received on Monday. Mr. DICKIISONT bmitglit up several Papers presented from . a the Hip . l of Admiralty i aln several P 411 , r. resting to His Bisiesty's Dock Yards, which were ordered in II vrr• Upon MAIM nt the SECRF. rA Y WA 2, the Militia V eers Al!o.vanes Bill was orderedto be committed on Mr. AT.F.X.\ NDF.R brought on the Report of th,. Com. ia:ttre rtivon the Irish Civil Ltd BA, the soperal A.nerid,nerite were read and agreed to; the Bill orloed to he engrossed, and to be read a third time on Monday. Mr. F CEA pr.^ nod e:, th.tt Xfonday rat he would b int forward a btotion tr....petting the A:my .t:strarinliwarica for Ireland. Long C rt.EnEArat brought in aWU for Amending the several r • , atitric to Irifir if...cut .14, &c. in Irciattri, which was real a first time, 4x4,..01 to be printed, and to be teed a second ne on Mondsy ir rim 3TATF: OF TUE AP . MT. Colon:I CR AUFURD, in cQnseq.,^nce of the Account of the Muster of the Monthly Returns, wigek usually accompanied the Distribution Paper, which could not b: printed hetore Monday nestpand as it was necessary that it should he perused before the discussion, which he meant to bring forward, de- ferred his motion on the State of the Army till Wednesday next. minnt.FsEx E.LEcTio,x. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHF.QTYKR, in reference to the ballot tor a Committee on the Mid leser Eeetion. which stood for Monday next, • red that there could b. no prospeet what ' the proeeedir7s upon it being terminated short remainder of the present Session. fir that the &faculty of assembling A oil limper of Nembers to form a ballot, would the puhlic Marine o w remained on rsi i i Mat atie console-mill of the Petkiou Il_ L' . • .tf,v be postponed to Thursday the Ist of August nett, ' which was azreed to. IstEssaGE FROM TILE KING. The House having, pursuant to the Order of tht Day, resolved itself into a CoMmittee on His Ma. jesty's last Message, and the reports of the Com mittees on the purchase of Mr. Townley's Collec tion of Antiquities for the use of the British Museum, and respe'ting the First Fruits' Office in Ireland, basing been referred to it, Mr. M.sx ANDER in the Chair, and the Message being read ; the CHANCELLOR of the -EXCHEQUER said, that having had an opportunity of offering what observations he had to make in the long de bate which took place upon this subjeet last night, the only subjeß which appeared now to be explain ed was the amount of the sum to be applied to Con tinental purposes, if necessary, in the course of the present year, which he should propose at 3,500,0001. It had been generally admitted that it would be pru dent for this einintry to be in a situation to avail itself of any comlAnation against France which coal be lot med amongst the Powers on the Conti nent, and as he did nnf wish the inference to be made, that the redndionof the vow in the present year was owing to any diminished chance of an ex tensive combination. he wished to explain that the reason for its being less was that from the lateness of the season there would be no prospeß of any co-operating auxiliary being brought into action against France before the commencement of the next session of Parliament. The question being then put ; Mr. FOX said, that after what had alrea ly passed, the House must wet% from him a dire& negative to the present motion. Tbough the Right I lon. Gentleman declared that he would give no farther explanation, yet that by no means went to supersede the necessity of doing so. For his own part, when he sa* that no plan was laid down, add no explanation afforded, he thought it his duty to give no money. If the Right Hon. Gentleman meant, that provided we were under the necessity of engaging in a continental war, because no reason able terms of peace could be obtained, he would be first to allow that Wa should bring into that war all the streng:h that we were capable of providing, but he never could subscribe to the Jeanne, that if the Cattntry eng.tgod itself in an extensive conti nental war, Ow House had no right to give an , .. .. opinion on it. If the object of the motion was to offer terms of peace in concurrence with Austria, and such other continental alliances as we may be enabled to form ; and that their weight would be tiirown into the scale in case the terms were re: jelled, there wits a chance of its having an effect; but he feared if any propnsitioas were made in con jundirm with Russia only, our chance of peace would be more precarious. With regard to Prus sia. its long and intimate cenne&ions with France must reader all hopes of co-operation from that quarter quite nugatory ; and in resped to any for midable interference on the part of Austria, he ap prehended it might, in any point of view, be il better ground or fear, than it could reasonably be of hope. If the °lied of our negocia:ions he are • commencement of the continental war on the part of Austria,and that Russia was also to wage that species of war which it did same years ago, lie must protest against it, both for this country and for Europe. He would ask, with what rational hope of success cold such a war he begun ? Austria, at the best, could make no serious impression upon France in the course of the neat year ; and neither in the nest nor in the following year could any thing better be expelled. This,vrould be the case, taking it in the most favourable point of view ; but if, as we were taught by the calamitous experience of former tears, the war should he followed by the disasters of that House, what further hope could we entertain, ei ther of fatirre liberty, or of ever setting bounds to die enormous and growing power of the French ? Supposing, therefore, no more than that the chanc:s of success were doubtful, and that reverse must be disastrous, was there not great reason for that House seriously to deliberate before they could hazard so alarming a result ? Had the case been different ; had we been at peace, and that Austria and Russia at war claimed our assistance against France, he should be one of the first to recom mend their obtaining all the aid in our power to give them ; but now the situation was wholly dif ferent. Mach had been said last night of oar example rousing Europe ; but the died seemed to be confined to the magnanimity and valour of Englishmen in the case of their being in vaded ; bet he had : great doubt of our being able to rouse others as auxiliaries, sylten we our selves only were at war. It would not be very agreeable to the House to :hear any more than it was to him to say, that from every information he could coiled, the, charader of the British Govern ment on the Continent was that of befog selfish and ready to pay others for going to war, merely for its own exclusive purposes. How could we suppose others would be roused only for our convenience? If the tOntinenr. whkls was far from being impro bable, was highly averse to France, and was only waiting for a favourable opportun;ty to exert itself and reassert its rights, was it possible that ititould bea pleased with a Government which was eternally reviling--constantly reproaching it with its submis sion, and instigating it to war? If Austria em barked in the contest, he did not see how she could at present pursue it advantageously either to us or to itself: he admitted, that in preserving the balance of power in Europe, our interests were united, but if Austria found the result of war unfavourable to her, she must be reduced to the same or stem terms than she found her sell compelled to accept at the treaties of Leoben and Luneville. Austria certainly was not bound always to submit to the SAM! ' terms, for no nation ever did so which found itself in a situation to extort what was Letter ; but under the &sting circumstances, if driven into the war, she would, probably, be brought down to the condition , of one of the secondary powers of Europe, from which, in all probability, she never could recover. *Faking it in another point, and supposing that Eng land, Austria, and Russia, were driven into an offensive and defensive alliance, he should still doubt the soccer; of such a cnmbiaation, because England and Russia, with regard to France, would stand in a .. i diff.-ren: predicatnel,: from that of Austria. li, h.:secret, theie three power. formed a eessiedion for the our i' , OlC of obtaining a satisfalLn y pews, and that Austria should not be obliged to , take any pan in .L until her interference became ne- ~~ Misery, then, indeed, ha should be disposed to en tertain sanguine hopes t.f its success. 'VII not 4p peer that His Majesty had yq i meglepany Formal answer to the overtures of peace ma I on, t4e tort of France ; apes it v. as not to be eepedeil all the countries of Europe would receive the ex planation of our !Ministers in so fevottrahle a manner as it had been accepted in that House. The Ministers in their vindication said, that at the time the offers came over, the French Government accompanied it with a message to the Two Councils, in which it stated, that no other terms would be Wanted but those of the peace of Amiens. It did not follow, however, that if that was the disposition of the French Government at the moment, it should remain always the same. It did not seem that the offeis made to this country said any thing about terms, and if any should be proposed to them by England, he thought they should be deferred to the meeting of a general con gress, where there would be a great probability of their being successful ; arid, if otherwise, the refusal might be productive of very favourable effdts upon the other powers. At all events, should the inten tion of Ministers be to offer any terms, he could not too strongly recommend that they may be moderate. It could not indeed be expected, that'any country should propoe at the outset all that it might be satisfied to accept as an ultimatum, but above all things he should deprecate our making th.m so strong, as that France must refuse them, and that be made a manifesto for the powers in concert with us to commence the war, and by that means alienate from us the g -od-will of the otner realms of Eu rope. It would be a'surd in him at this time to an tictpam what these terms should be, but he must wish then to be offered and couched in the real spirit of peace, such as would conciliate for us the regard of die rest of Europe, if they shotild fail of success. What may appear moderation in our own eyes might not be Moderation in the estimation of other countries. None of them will be apt to think that any proposition made only by England and Russia in the present state and temper of things Wont,' he altogether reasonable, but, if made in conjunction with, or under the mediation of other powerful states, their rejection would then, indeed, open the e-, es of Europe, and render effedual co operation less difficult to be obtained. A circum stance such as that would be of great and material assistance to our cause, and obtain for us the good opinion of all. The judgment of the world with regard to our sincerity, must depend on the nature of these conditions. If proposed in this manner, he was in great hopes they would be successful, and end in peace, the bee guarantee for the continu ance, security, and solidity of which would be the united wishes of all the countries of Europe. When we were formerly engaged in Continental wars, he might not have objeded to this motion as a vote of credit, but when the House was left for its objet, to the wildest guesses, and kept in such profound ignorance, he thought it could not do so well as in fol lowing his example, and meeting it with a negative. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER replied, that in the Debate of last night, he hoped he had sufficiently stated the reasons why it was ill-- possible for His Majesty's Ministers, in the present situation of affairs, to explain what means they pos ses ied of forming alliances on the Continent. From what he just heard, he was in vim doubt, whether the Hon. Gentleman thinks it right to make offers of peace, fur the purpose of mice, or with the view of producing a refusal. Upon his system of reason ing, the circumstances of success, or defeat, uncer tain in all military enterprises, should be sufficient to baffle every plan of alliance or co-operation, aitd the policy of this country would be to say to all the other powers, " you must not stir at present, lest your condition should be aggravated." No doctrine surely could be better calculated than this, to en courage the supineness of our neip,lthouts, and pro. mote the aggrandisement and enctoachments et France. It would be n.) better than advising them to lie by and wait, till by successive inroads and usurpations, France should grow stronger, while those who might now oppose them should, for fear of the worst, be daily diminishing, both in force and, in revenue. The Hon. Gentleman eznorted this Government to wait till the other powers were dis posed to call for our assistance; but if circumstances enabled His Majesty's Ministers to state to him their transadions with nations, they might easily shew, that lie was as Leech mistaken in his inferences as in his falls. lf, indeed, this country were at peace, and in that situation, instigated oilier nations to go to war, the arguments of the Honourable Member might very properly apply, hut being at war with a power against which foreign countries had also wrongs and aggressions to complain of, he never knew that it was against policy or the Liw of natious to persuade and stimulate others to embark in a con test, in which they were interested themselves. At present the interests of Europe were blended with those of all the neighbours of France upon the Coe tinent, and if England could rouse them into action, it must be of advantage to themselves. It must be admitted that there may be cases where the Conti nental Powers are well convinced of this, and ate only deterred from co-operation from vie-vs to their own safety, not easing so much from the want of military means, and the deficiency of their revenues, as to bring their forces into Aaion ; and if in such a situation, your duty and means may: enable you to supply them with that which they are most in want, you must appear to them in the light, not of instigators, but of benefeetors. For in stance, suppthe the Right Honourable Gentleman's advice to be adopted, and a peace made under the guarantee of other powers, he would a-k of what avail would be this nominal guarantee, if they had not power to enforce it ? Considering, then, the vast power, and the remoteness of Russia in point of situation, and combining with it the situation of the other states upon the continent, he contended that it would be inconsistent with what His Majesty set out with at the commencement of the session, to enter into a separate negotiation of peace with France, before he could have any concert with those powers *lnch might secure him their assistance if it should be necessary. The answer of His M ijesty to the ov:rtres of Franc: was not given in a haughty or scornful manner. It stated that he was Ki.ling to treat for so desirable an objet, but that, as the se curity of his dominions was essentially connected with the state of the continent, it would be ne cessary for him previously to consult with other powers. At the same time, however, that the French Goserneacnt received this answer from us, it thought proper, indirenly, to state message to the coun c ils the terms of the peace they wnu'd grant to us. They offer us onl treaty of Amiens, and not the terms of ele but their coestrtilion cif them. He would ni discuss, whether the misrepre.entations mad, by France had the edea of tlimilaishiug.a usual con ideration in the eyes of tiirope,"rs could he tell whether they were lik^ly to•- or differ with France, in re:.tatil to the which might r be prppostd„, until he w formed what these terms may be. If France content to accept of any terms siPcis' mito more content with the safety and indepeu lc Europe; ht• should not be disposed to shape terms in any other manner, than by the best star security with respeti to e•scliftial points in w, Europe could be placed. In what he before st. be did not mean to be understood that an nitric. with Russia alone would he the most desii situation that could he obtained, hut he • " thought, that even a Emitted cancel with a power, from the died it ott9 produce on F. would be prodative of gleat local advantage?. Mr. FOX explaiiiied, that his in/emit:us a calculate the chances of gain with the chaui such events as may be produaive of snit), ;in k ' causes in which a war way possibly be attends, annihilation. That may certainly depend ~f . . value of the stake, but he thought if Atte gaged in a war ivrenncert with us and Rus, would aa with extreme imprudence, and put thing to the role The lenewar"of the war met- be thought wrong, and, in his opinion, so, by other etinntries, and, inlaying it was he did not mean in a moral sense, but us being and impolitic. The Right Hon. Gentleman theoretically, and he pradtiadly on the sttlejen, taining we should be at greater advantage courting . e.eme than by our courting, them, .4 had reeetved these powers of Atka submission ; an every one mist know that Inch reproaches ale net likely to, produce notch Itientiship, as no :Lae thanked an' ther for instigating him es fight, ecete he was not desirous of doing sa iu It the of fers of peace made by France were loose, our Answer might have been in the same strain ; but it was an absurd way to tell France, that we could not at the time negotiate, because we had not yet arranged our military advantages over it. The chief thing, how ever, which he had to recommend was, that we should not offer such terms to the enemy, as, putting ourselves in the place of France, we should reject without any hesitation. Lord lIENRY PETTY said, that when the House was called t pon to grant public money, it had a right to know for what it was given, and what was the nature of the set vice which was to be expected fur it. That precention was the mare necesse. y now, as we were intormed six months since, that a confidential intercourse was in train, and entild not fled that any progress had been made in it ever since. He had no other mean; to j Lege of the dispositions of Foreign Powers, but by these public channtls, fiom which he could n t learn that any thing better was intended fat us, than the peace of Amiens. Austria had made no military dispositions; the inti mate conneelion which subsisted for yeas: between Pru sent and Ft ance, WAS strengthened and confirmed; Russia was pursuing the same system of policy which was adopted in the reign of Catherine; and as to the States of Germany, they seemed only es look for a state of submission. Besides this, he could see no common basis which other Powers might be induced to treat upon. The Ministers said this subsidy might be defrayed out of the abundant resources of the country. These resources he considered as abundant and solid, when pi needy applied ; but he did not think we had a single 'hit ting to spare for extravagant expenditure. Mr. BAN Kei said, that as the application of tte; money would be a more proper sublet tor sloe in the nest, or in a subsequent session than a: presertte‘he should tote in favour of the. Motion, though he was aypr.hensiv • that its effeels mi*la be baneful, if it was intended that we should catty on a war of subsidies. When he heard those Gen tlemen who uniformly opposed continental eonnec dons. now speak so much in approbation of then„ he considered them as penitents who were coming to receive first stripes for their trensgressioes, and were afterwerds to receive absolution from those confessors who were in the habit of preaching tie that dolrine. Mr. WM. SMITH said, that he should oppose the motion, as he could see no necessity for its Ado?. iron; ter if the Ministers meant, in cast the nego tiations should succeed, to call Parliament together at the interval of a fortnight, for the purpose of submitting the matter to their approbation, it wool! be Owe ettough then to decide upon the snbjea. The fltiestistts being loudly called for, was pet. and it war resolved— Teat a sum trot exceeding 5,800,0001. be panted is fl.. Majesty, towards the supply of the present year. Mr. LON said, that the Committee to whom the Petition of the Trustees of the British Museum, praying a sum of 20,0001. fur the purchase of certain models of ancient sculpture. late the property, and in the possession of Charles Toweley, Esq. deceased, had been referred, had made their Report in fave.r of granting that sam, ar they thought the parchese a very cheap one, and that it could not fail to prove of the greatest advantage to the artists, and the fiee arts, in this country. Having stated this, as the opinion of 'the Committee, he would not uespass on their time further, than to move— That a sum not exceeding 21,0001. be granted t jest', t enable the Trustees of the F.t:ttslt Museum to pur chase the said cot:coital. Mr. W. SMITH said a few words in foior of the motion. and gave it as his opinion, that it was the best bargain that ever was made for the pehlic. Mr. BANKS spoke in the highest terms of the excellence of the collation, and the guest benefit the fine arts in this counts y would cettainly derive from its being accessible to the public. lie men tioned, however, that Mr. Townley had, by tux Will, left a sum of 4,5001. towards building a lery to contain the said colle.hon, for the put pose of letting the public have access to it. The bretler and relatives of Mr. Townley were persons of Lige tnrtune, and very liberal sentiments, and had offtece the colleCtion to the public at a very Cheap pinch iii' rather than he at the trouble of building a pier , . and at the risk of breaking those valuable roe!'- 1 " in the removal. He thought, therefore, there Kai a chance, if du: House did nut agree to the :01 )' it , presi -"ni ibild lac :In • lie tl That t lust Aho, I.xtlisqt Ev,b The ed this whirl gencio The and al FA 01 Th: Fund. Alg recei 7,art secre part adjo In C f l° ellesez E:e s.ll‘ea red t! ever of the durtnx the *ad tray my lieicm now Sotetrupt tl ►end. urn to in a hate, that e which e colle o4 My the 'tea was treaty, ruse to m lot now Sir W. le of us flscci ga t ' ( Ntr. teries.. o f this COU Iris i n . gre.ent of should 61 not ar fight be t hem AT en of so onside' Ape his F echo'. state of ge t them M stated,' ree.nent the"j a al o lestrable The itt always, All the mighty t p stain. R bets, Mr. 1 7 ( to e ' 'el the 1.1 IVIIC to . .1 0 1 Y T , itICOS t t .r::e n 4 those or& Jed with Ph! .the Ire cm Atilt en.. Oa, she Mr. I ut every the Pr" ir by us the Con+ n. justl y s wrong, rise th g ()thus to take an spelt', this nigl snAin. queen by ..I.eir t!..c.refet Thai 3, a; 'te -