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S L T..—. 1 ,.. mi.l _ . • I •131 Nin 11 PAR LIA lIR IVPA.RY I 110USK OF LORDS, SCOTCH JUDICA 'Fhe LORD CHANCELLOR g 'Plumley met, to move the secood raters Bill. SMALL D' Tree Earl of SHAFTESBURY wierehane traders Ilfl4l other inhabitst prayierr for some altereioa in the I ebtet.—Laid oa the table. . ' • DRY ROT I: Lord DARNLEY' presented a p ar• use of John Burrieh, lately an in ::.g for some inquiry into the state t zurpose of preventing the dry rot. I )'titian was from an individual with bit as it referred to a question of so diliall of his Majesty's navy, he fel. give to his Noble Friend opposite U of clearing up many eireutristames I . public to avers general suspicion. h of war had been infected by the dry the person who signed the prude thonght, anti as he had lived in ti means of knowledge had been freq Lowey ins:avers totally unfounded. as means a lame portion of his Ma snubs at lease hoped that such was t Lord dIELVII,LE said that lt , servatior.s of the Noble Lord. As the Navy, the report of any general rally to be • expected, was ahaolutel petitioner. or stir other pereon. trjgh se plank in a vested ; this was unfit r..aey instances ships that had bee, the.ot reverse. rot had been examined, an , le had ~ It was his duty to suit li f th, been taken to aster/sin the stat attention which the subject t and for some sears peer, at least in emitnineel. In consequence of the knew the state of the dock-yards, a of it. had declared, if there were Nasy was most free from the dry. Present. As he had before state many a rotten plank might be foul • it' no timber were used in building 1 and well seasoned, there would be it necessary, however, to state, tl immersible to procure a suffietent : was. therefore, necessary to procure • Ile was sorry to say that this ti been had ; and he feared that more h vivre his Noble Friend, and the pu tecount the number of ships, the II irritate than at the present moment The Earl of DARNI.EY teems. , observations of the Noble farad (3° knew sev...ral instances, and one in Leen taken into Sheerness and exam it ing infected with the dry rot, but the s touched by it. When he coneiden who had the direction of the nary, I I. the Noble Lord had stated. 1 Earl GROSVENOR inquired ft the Noble Lord complained had bee Lord 31ELVILLE—Part front and part from the north of Europe. 1 'f lie petition was laid on the labl Mr. Parkhouse, front the Indic Repine of the Tanjore Commies'°, port of the Commissioners of the Cr I Mr. Mason, fr im the India Ht penisions, salaries, and matnities in during the past year.—Laiti on the Mr. Tierney. fram the TAX. 0 rams decided by the Judges wider the table. Adjourned. ___.. HOUSE OF COMMON We understand that the call of night, was postroncd until this de oaJried to strangers before a quane . LEAVES OF . Mr. LAMBTON received leave Circuit. Several other Members, 1 reeeiai 1 leave of absenee on accou ries:orients, Ste. ST. KATHARI fevered petitions were presented of St Katharine's Dock.—Ordered Mr. IiERRIES presented a peti t`ee town cf Harwich, in favour of Katherine's Dock.—Orderal to be Mr. AUMBOLD presented a p of the town of Ipswich, against th, Dick. ASSESSED Mr. RUMBOLD preset ted a I ii outh, playing for the repeal of tl 'be printed. sa T. LETHBRIDGE present , th: repeal or the assessed taxes.—C 1 HOUSE Mr. H. DAVIES presented a p George ' in the county of Glouceste : House Tax, Also a petition fro e.ry cf Bristol.—Ordered to be prit COAL Mr. T. 'WILSON moved for a r, paced from Newcastle. with the ne tiom which they were drawn, and a wise —Ordered. A petition was presented from T of :he duty on sea-borne coals.—Ch CATHOLIC AS The Earl of BECTIVE presen Ca:belie inhabitants of Newcastle I Bill fur the suppression of the Cat lie on the table. Mr. GRAYFAN presented a ! tiOrne hundreds of the mos: respec C.e Bill now before the House, for Asaa,•iaiion, be not passed into a lA s.l), that he heartily concurred wit! a,3ainst the Bill, es militating agai subject, as well Protestant as Crab,: the affections of die people of Irelt eleewhere.—The petition was limo on Ili: table. i Mr. A. ELLIF, presented a peti ' NEWPORT one from the Cathol . St. Mitltael and St. John. Dublin suppression of the Catholic ASSOCi oa fle table. Mr. HUME preser.fed a petitior !karts of Temp:emote, iii the co tree Catholic Association. stating 'uremia with their wishes, and the palmed into a law, it would be ar Brit:sir subjects ; they prayed tbt iato a law till they lied been 1 i mewer any accusations brought a (lit for his own part lie fully collet tionters, and lie was sorry to see il !erasion of Ireland ; he also lamer not seem inclined to repel this at both.—Ordered to lie on thetable. 11. C. HIJTCHINSON wese, that the petitioners believed his t deceived in the representations mad Adlrociation, aid praying the men Hutchinson) thought that if Mini! tas uf thatlirreie, for Royal appr 4 • their heads for the danger they The Ministers had not only the greater part of the Protestants ; In with the liberal part of the Cabin i I than, that they might rot lose th e hero compelled to disgrace liimse Ife had said, and would say agal waearity Ministers might have, at felt as a freeman would think so a sure. The lion. Gentleman condu • vie Catholic inhabitants of the l Youghal, mid the parishes of Dror all in the county of Cork.—Orleret S.: H. PARNELL presented a totems of 3laryborough, in the I tamtnttants of the barony of Dins the Bill for the suppression of i Ordered to be printed. 'str F. BURDETT presented a blunts of the town of Birniinglian messiest of illegal associations in I Catholic inhabitants of Kilmore, 11:fl for the suppression of Mega lion. Baronet said a few word* yet4;ionert. —Ordered to be printer Me. Of/MAU/IN presented sled 'freemen and freeholders of tl Lim statei, that the petitioner% we 'Milo , : Emancipation, because di imirpatintee with the seemly of ow woe. coesiderable alarm the eatable i Ca:belie A alnciation, holding its a ntent, ley One taxes to a large . , sioi eit discussions, the minds of tl maxioo, the petitioners preyed the i • sate to rand against the mils whit 1 wise !rola the Proceedings of ti • Omilbern said the main asser.tol, bis full concurrence. 'Me petition was ordered to be i Su ACIAH ELLIS presented Maria of Aa'alane, Middlehurd, I i 1 ' ..., INTELLIGENCE. LORDS, MONDAY, FEL 21. ICATURE BULL. .)11 gave notice of hiv intention, On seoood reading of the Sssugh Judi- DEBTS. presented a Petition from the inhabitants of Merton, in Devonshire, in the laws for ch.: recovery of small IN SHIPS. petition from a person of the inhabitant of Portsmouth, pray state of his ;Majesty's Navy, for the rot. His Lordship observed, that the ' with whom he had no acquaintance; f so much importance as the con felt extremely glad that it would • (Lord Melville) an opportunity at that had given rise among the. 1, that a great portion of our wraps e dry rot. Such was the opinion of Petition, but he (the Noble hoed) in the vicinity of a dock-yard, his _-yo frequent, that this opinion was in unfounded. lie believed that there was by - • • Majesty's navy unfit for service, PA the case. : he was happy to reply to the ob- As far sa regarded the condition of general decay, beyond what was nato. utoiutely untrue. Certainly, either the trjght occasionally rind a rotten beam undoubtedly s frequent ease, but in, been suspected to be Infected with , and had been found to be directly state, that of late years more pains .0 state of the Navy, in conYequience thject had created in the public mind ; least once a year, every ship had been of these exertions, those persons who nls, and were the best able to judge were any period when his Majesty's dry-rot or any other evil, it was the stated. he would not deny but that e found. His own opinion was, that tilling ships, hut that which was Good be no fear of the dry-rot. Ile felt that daring the war it was found _at quoraity of English oak, sell it procure it from our American CoLonits, this timber had, in some ioetances, r more would be found so. Ile could se public generally, that, taking into , the British Navy wv never in a bet. moment. ir expressed his entire satisfaction nt the Lord (Melville). Ile (Lord Darnley) ' one in particular, in which ships bad ' examined, because suspected of be tut they had been found to be scarcely considered the skill and talents of those navy, he was ready to believe all that from whence the timber of which A been brought. front our North -American Colonies, trope. table. Anita House. presented the First tissioners; and the Twenty-first Re ! Carnatic.—Laid on the table. House, presented Accounts of aU s granted by the East India House thr table. 0 fice, presented Aceoints of all under the Assessed Tazes.—Laid on lONS, MONDAY, FED. 21. ' of the House. appointed for to. .. day week. The gallery was not roamer to live. IF MISENCE. ...are of absence fora month, to go the lbers, whose names we could not catch, account of fits of the gout, domestic .RINE'S DOCK. ted from different pieces, in favour terei to lie on the table. petition from certain inhabitants of of the MU for the erection of St. ) be printed. a petition from certain inhabitants the erection of the St. Katharine's ASSESSED TAXES. a petition from the tows of Yar. of the Assessed 'rases.—Ordered to presented a petition from Axbridge, for -es.—Ordered to lie on the table. ;E TAX. a petition from the parish of St. Gloucester, praying for the repeal of the from the parish of Temple, in the printed. t a return of the quantity of coals ex- Ale name of the owner of the colliery and also of the quantity acried coast- Tavistock, praying for the repeal coals.—Ordered to he on the table. ASSOCIATION. , presented a petition from the Roman dewcastle (as we understood), against the Catholic Apociation.—Ordered to . a petition from Dublin, signed by respectable inhabitants, praying that for the suppression of the Catholic a law; and he (JL Grattan) must s ith the petitioner', and protested against the dearest privileges of the athalic, and as calculated to alienate Ireland, and to turn their attention brought up, lead, and ordered to lie petition from Kilkenny, and Sir J. stholic inhabitants of the parishes of üblin, both against the Bill for the Associstion.—Read, and ordered to lie ition from the Roman Catholic inhs._ __ county of Tipperary, in favour of stating that that body had acted in coo , that they consider that if the Bill an infringement of their rights NI that the 'louse would not pass it a heard, as they were prepared to t against them. Mr. Hume said, ....incurred with the prayer of the petls see Ministers propose the further lamented that the English people did this attack on the liberties common to table. ivtented several petitions, stating ,is Majesty's Ministers to have been maths to them respecting the Catholic measuce ihould not pass. He (Mr. in i sters sliotild carry this Bill to the approbation, that they ought to lose hey would brow upon the country. the Catholics against them, but the : hut the measure did not originate tbinet ; it was only consented to by their places. boot Wellesley had imself, for this was not his measure. again, that whatever might be the a, and he was sure every :can who so also, that it was an unjust met. sacluded by presenting petitions trona lie barony of Bantry, the town of Dronielogue, Scull, and Kilinoony, itirod to bt primed. a petition from the Catholic inhs. the Queen's county ; also from the Darrow, in the same county, against of illegal associations in Ireland.— . a petition from the Catholic inha. f niinghem, against the Bill for the sup. ions in Ireland ; also a petition from the !Camara, county of Cavan. against the sf ille g al associations in Ireland. The 11/04114 in support of the prayer of the e printed. presented a petition, signed by two thou. sof the City of Dublin. The peti t were averse to what is called Oa. they considered such a measure in. our fres Constitution. They viewed establishment of such a body as the holding its sittings in the face of the Govern. a hove amount, and inflaming, by its •oftl e mi:guided populace. in eons the noose to consider some mei. vhich had alien, and were likely to _ A the Catholic Association. Mr. aaser.ions contained in the petition, met I be printed. *uteri petitions horn the Catholic inha. lehurd, sod Rathtard, against the Bill A • for the suppression of illegal societies in Ireland—Ordered to be Fringed. Mr. BROUGHA M, In presentirg petitions fmm the Catholic inhabitants of cermin parishes in the county of Cork, aguinet the Rill introduced for the suppression of illegal Associations m Ire land, took occasion to observe, that he hoped his:Melody's Jlinis. ters would at least see the recessity of giving the inhabitants of Ire land, and those who wen o )000a to the inn In this country, an opportunity of ex pressin- their sentiments by petition. He under stood that petitiunder stoodikely to cane from every parish in Ire land, and from Many parishes in Ergland. He was convinced that the more generally the principle of the measure should be known, the greaser opposition it would meet with. The Bill was little known yet ; it could not be known in Ireland : it was only known to that House a week ago, and the details of the measure could scarcely have reach'd the remote parts of Ireland. He hoyed his Majesty's Ministers would consider the necessity of delaying to gire the country an opportunity of expressing its opinion. The Catholics had a right to this condderation ; the Houle refused to hear them at the bar, and at least it should not refuse to hear their petitions. The petition wax ordered to be printed. CORPORATE RIGHTS OF CATHOLICS. hlr. BROUGHAM presented a petition from three individuals, residents of the city of Dublin, named John Adcock, James Aleock. and James Henderson, complaining of the unjust de.ention of their eorporate rights by the Corporation of the City of Dublin. Mr. Brougham said, that this petition was an answer to what hart been so repeatedly asserted. that none but those in high stations were affected by the disabilities under which the Roman Catholics soffereti. It was also an 'illustration of what had been said on his (Mr. Brougham's) side of the House, respectint ! sele practical uti lity of such a body as the Catholic Association. The House were aware that individuals. by birth sod a certain servitude. became entitled to the civic ftoedom in chewy of. Dublin. The Fetittoners stated their claims in the regular way, and had them laid before the Council, but they were re;efted for no other reason but because they were Catholics. They had an undoabted legal right, two by birth, and one by servitude, hut still the Cor poration refused to admit them. Lie (Mr. B.) pledged Inaiself ass lawyer, that the petitioners had as strong a legal right to the civic freedom, as an eldest lawful son, after his father's decease, has to the freehold. The right having been withheld by the Car_ poratioa, the petitioners applied to the Court of King's Bench gal.: a rtanifstorts the mandamus was granted, and the rule made abso lute ; indeA it could not have been otherwise. Ity force of this mandarnua :he petitioners became possessed of their rights. Had they beim Protestants, they would have bees admitted without a moment's delay, and without the expense or • single farthing. Did not this prove that the penal Statutes, and the abuses growing cut of them, affected the middle and the lower classes as well as those in a high station ? It also illustrated the second proposition which he had laid down, namely, the useful character of the Catholic As sociation in supporting the needy and oppressed agaiaat the weal thy and the powerful. If the petitioners bad not the assistance of the Catholic Association, there was well-grounded reasons for sup. posing, that their rights would have been withheld from them for ever. (11 ear.) The petitioners were ready to prove the facts etattd In the petition,—they challenged inquiry. The petition distinctly proved that the Catholic is in a different situation front the Prete,. tant as respects his corporate rights. (Hear. hear.) Ile also con tended, that it proved the practical utility of the Catholic Asso ciation. Sir J. NEWPORT observed, that the hardships complained of by the petitioners were of daily recurrence in Ireland, and he re gretted to add, that there were often grievous aggravations of such a line of conduct. More than one person had been refused admit tance to his Guild—a preparatory step to his being admitted a free. man—for no other reason but because he happened to be a Roman Catholic ! After procuring one mandamias to gain admission to the Guild, he had then the trouble and expense of applying for a second mandamus to put him in possession of the civic right, to which, as his Honourable and Learned Friend (Mr. Brougham) said, he was as much entitled as an eldest son to the freehold of his father. It was really a monstrous perversion of power which was given to Corporations, to preserve the rights of the public, but which they too often applied to the injury of those rights. (Hear, hear.) The instance which this petition brought under the notice of the House was not a solitary instance ;— t here were a hundred other instances equally oppressive and unjust. It was a notorious fact, that, in order to induto persons connected with the Orange fac tion to heerme freemen, the fees of admission were diminished to one half, one third, and, In some instances, one fourth of the onli dary rate, to the evident detriment of the corporate property: whilst, oar the other hand, every obstacle was thrown in the way of the Roman Catholics who applied for admission—not only .of the Catholics. but of all those who were suspected to he friendly to theft claims. He understood there was a respectable Protestant gentle. man desirous of presenting a petition on this subject: he, like the petitioners, had his corporate rights withheld, because he desired that his Catholic fellow, subjects should participate fully in the be nefits of the Constitution. lie repeated. that this was a monstrous perversion of power. Perhaps it only affected the humbler classes, but the humble man had rights as well as the proudest Nobleman in the land ; they were peculiarly pressed upon by corporate injus tice, and it was high time for the Legislature to interfere and pro tect their rights. (Hear, hear.) The petition was then laid on the table, and ordered to be printed. Mr. ABERCROhIBY presented • petition from the parish of St. Catherine's, in the city of Dublin, praying that no law may be passed for the suppression of the Catholic Association, and that the Catholic Amnia . Mn should not be condemned without hosing an opportunity of being heard. The Honourable Member said, that the Catholics were only anxious to procure equal laws and equal rights by constitutional means. In these sentiments of the Ca tholics lie fully concurred ; because lie considered such sentiments just and legitimate, and he hoped the Catholics would persevere, by all the means which that House should leave in their power until they obtained a repeal of those laws which excluded then: from a full participation in the benefits of the Constitution. It was unnecessary for him to say, that he entirely concurred in the opi nion of the petitioners, that no law ought to be passed for the sup. pression of the Catholic Association ; and it must be quite unne cessary for him to say, that he fully concurred with the petitioners, that the Catholic Association should not be condemned without a hearing. The contrary might be the sentiment of the House, but it was a sentiment so abhorrent to eeery feeling of justice—to every feeling which he (Mr. Abercromby) had imbibed, by intercourse, reading, or reflection, that he should never have believed it possible that the House could have adopted it, if it had not been proved by the vote of a previous evening, by which the Catholic Association was denied a hearing. The petition was then read, and ordered to be printed. BRITISH CATHOLICS. Lord NUOENT presented a petition from certain members of the British Catholic Association, against the Bill for the suppres sion of illegal Associations in Ireland. His Lordship said, he had no doubt the petition would have been more full" signed, if there had been sufficient opportunity. As the Bill WM pressed forward so rapidly through that House. the petitioners thought it advisable to have the least possible delay in the presentation of their pe tition. This circumstance accounted for the comparative paucity of the names attached to it. It was signed, however, by his Grace the Duke or Norfolk, the Earl of Shrewsbury, Lord S tourton, Lord Arundel, sad a number of Roman Catholic gentlemen of the greatest respectability. amongst whom lie noticed the names of two Roman Catholic Baronets. Ile (Lord Nugent) was, naturally anxious to express his opinion on this important subject ; lie sus pended his intention, however, under the feeling that .a more con venient opportunity would occur when the Bill should be directly before the House. lie could not sit down, however, without oh. serving. that he fully concurred with the petitioners, that the Bill was alike injurious to public liberty and to the civil rights of in. dividuals. _ . . The petition wu read. and ordered to be printed. SPECIAL JURIES. Mr. PEEL gave notice. that on Thursday next he would move for leave to being in a Bill fur the better regulation of Special Juries. NAVY ESTIMATES. The House then resolved itself into a Committee of Supply. Sir G. CLERK, in moving the votes for the Navy Estimates, observed, that there was an increase of 120.0001. this year on the Navy Estimates, in consequence of the additional wear and try, and the increase of wages to artificers and labourers in the dock. yards. They were now only obliged to work five days in the week, instead of six. which they formerly did. The gram last year for the payment of wages to artificers and labourers in the dockyards, was only 476,00111., whilst that for the present year, from the cir cumstances which he had mentioned, amounted to 560,000!. The total amount of the ordinary estimates would ba the same as those of last year. On the half-pay estimate there was a consider able reduction, and a portion of the pensions now charged in the estimates were formerly charged upon other funds. The new works, particularly those carrying on at Sheerness, had added considerably to the amount of the estimates. It was not intended to go to much expense in this year, but the individual Mho had the direct on of the works there, had demonstrated, that, by the employment of the machinery at present on the spot, he would be enabled to conclude the weeks in a manner very advantageous to the public. 79,0001• would be the sum necessary to complete the whole of the works at Sheerness. The next of the public works which caused so greaten int:refute in the amount of the Navy Estimates, was the work at Plymouth Sound. There • light- bourse was about to be built, which was net comprekended in the original estimate. That part of the works on winch the light-house was to be erected, was neces sarily constructed in a more expensive manner, in order to protect the light-house. The expense here was estimated at 285,0031. which wu within the original estimate presented to the House in 11112, though that estimate did not comprehend the light-house, nor the full completion of a part of this great national undertaking. For the preservation of the light-house, and to complete the whole Breakwater. the sum he had mentioned was only required. In Ply mouth, the Victualling Offices were found to be very inconveniently situ-tied, they were at a distance from the storehouses, and the great object i‘ as to have them together. Besides, the Victualling Offices were in a very dilapidated state. The amount required for the erec tion of new Victualling Offices was estimated at 40.005 W. The Hon. BIITIMCS, in conclesion, proposed that 54,886/. ss. Id. be voted for the mashies and contingent expenses of the Admiralty Office. Mr. HUME confessed he did nor understand how such an ex penditure as that now proposed could be requisite, if the promises held nut in former years from the other side of the House were to be relied on. In the year 1818 a Committee had been appointed to investigate and regulate the expenditure of the Naval Department, and from their labours the country had been led to expect the diminution of some millions In that branch of our expenditure. How had those expectations been realized? The fact was, instead of a decrease in our naval expenses, the exact contrary had taken place, sad they bad become greater and more burtheneume in their THE BRITISH PRESS.. . • emeunt. lie was aware he might be tole, if we extended our land forces it would he wrong in grudge six millions for the sup port of our navy. It wan far tram his Intention to say that we Mould not keep up a respectable naval force; but it wan his opinion that our present establishment wan quite dispro portienate to our Wants. It was singly greeter than that of all the world beside. lie meet object to the estimates in their preXent shape; he thought them quite too weighty in amount. The House had been led to expect a decrease in the half-pny and allows...cc depart:tents. it was raid,. that by taking persons off those lists. and placing them upon actual service, as the exigencies of the mortice required, there would be a saving of fall 7 per cent. effected in those departments. But quite a different ardent had been adopted, and no attempt made to replace upon service Indite. duals in the receipt of halt'. pay. New individuals had been intro duced. and prnmotions continued as numerous and as frequent since the establishment of peace. as they did during the war, with the exception of the general promotion which took place at the ter- urination of it. The Honourable the Secretary of the Adiniraley had on a former occasion stated, in his place. that every fresh vs cancy should be filled up from the half-pay list. He wished the Honourable Secretary to point oat how litany individuals had beta taken from that list and placed upon active service. The fact bad been otherwise—the country lied been put to the expense of a full- pay establi s hment , and the half-pay remained undinminished. The' half-pay for the current year, exclusive of snperannuations, pen sions, and allowances, amounted to 897.500 e, and was only T 2. duzed 38,000/. from that of last year, which he contended war not a reduction to the amount which circumstances admitted. It might be urged, that promotion was beneficial to the service, and natu rally cepected by the individuals comprising it. Ile was really to admit all that. but could not see the neceomity of making the promotions of the pretent exceed those of former years. Ile would, on a future opportunity, in confirmation of wnat he then advanced, 'move for a list of all promotions, arranged specifically, and under the several years when they had taken place. The House should not consider the Navy Estimates as a matter of course, and pass them accordingly. They were important, and, like every other eapet.dit.re nithe public money, demanded strict attention and investigation on the part of the House. He was dis posed to give every credit to the evident intention to substitute a system of economy for one of wasteful exttavagance, which had manifested itself in the Admiralty department two years ago ; but he lamented to say, that a similar disposition had not been cots firmed ; since the period he alluded to, none but trifling reductions bad been made. Looking at the aggregate amount of the Naval Estimates, he had no hesitation io saying it was too great. Our naval force was much larger than was requisite, or at all warranted by the circumstances of the country. It had been said last year, that it was particularly necessary to maintain our navy in an effective state, on account of the disturbed and uneettledstate of South Ame rica : that was a cause which had now ceased to operate, and yet no reduction appeared to be contemplated. Previous to the late war, the naval estimates had never exceeded two millions, when the same number of .hips and seamen had been employed as now ; and yet at the present time the amount was live millions and a half. The Home would find, when they came to the votes for the public offices, that that branch of expenditure had been actually quadru pled in amount. He could not. wet the Hon. Gentleman who had moved the estimates, pass s^ slightly over the item of one million yearly expended on the building of ships. He looked upon that charge as exorbitant, and a perfect waste itf money. We had already 800 ships, and it was certainly unnecessary to add to that force, which was, as lie had said before, a greater than all Europe could produce against us., in the event of a war, by the annual ex penditure of a moron in befitting sew vessels, which, from the un fortunate se stem persisted in, were an soon to become the victims of decay. The Hon.' Comptroller (Sir B. Martin) might, if he pleased, smile at any mention of the dry rot ; but let him look to the investigation and prevention of it. It was a serious subject, and although not prepared to go the lengths of others in their ars. prehensions, he was convinced the' great mischief had been done by it. It weld be proved that, owing to the practice of building ships with unseasoned timber, the dry rot prevailed in no small degree. The conduct of the Admiralty itself went to prove the fact. The various modes they hal year after year adopted to remedy the evil proved at once its existence, and the insufficiency of the modes tried to counteract it. Many naillions cf minors of oil, coal tar, salting, had been all successively tried, and without effect. The variety of remedies proved the difficulty of care, that die naval department was by no means agreed in the pursuance of any one and specific system ; and that, ice fact, they were unacquainted with the proper mode of treating the mischie f. He would ask, what system did they at present abide by ? Was coal tar or oil used for the purpose? Under all circumstances, he must submit that the House was entitled to consider maturely before they voted away a million for building new ships. It was rut unlikely that steam navigation would e ff ect a great alteration in the tactics of the next nay war, whenever that war should arise, lie thought it would effect a very considerable chatige, particularly in the narrow sear:. From the operation of am h a cause, we might be unable to make use of one hundred out of our 500 ships. lie should give it as his serious advice to discontinue ship-budding for the next five years. It would be better to permit the timber to remain growing in the woods, and reach a proper degree of maturity previous to its use, than to continue thus adding to a navy already larger than the whole world beside can produce. The next item in those esti mates to which he should cull the attention of the House was, the sums to be applied to the improvement of dock-yards and wharfs. The lion. Member for Sandwich stated, three or four years ago, that if Government had been aware of the practicability of convey. ing chips from Chatham to Sheerness by means of steam-boats, they would not have expended *di large sums in the construction of docks at Sheerness. A million and a half had already been lost in filet place, and now there was a farther demand for 795,01)(11. Poseessing such au arsenal as Chatham, which, let it be borne in mind, answered the purposes of the country during the war, when there were double the number of ship in commission, time expendi. lure of so much money in Sheerness must be looked on as an unne• eessary and gratuitous expense. The works could be considered in no other light than as useless, and the money expended lost. The next item to which he thought it necessary to make an exception was, the aum to be voted for the new victualling establishment in Plymouth. He thought some grounds, other than a simple smite merit unsupported by documentary evidence, necessary to sustain that arrangement. lie should be the last man who would raise his voice against any measure likely to be beneficial to the country ; but he could not consider such measures as possessing that tendency. He wished to call the attention of the House to another charge, that of 3,0001. for repairing docks in Halifax. Why should not that colony execute its own repairs, defray its own necessary ex. penile', and not met the burden of them on the people of England ? The next thing he should mention was a sum of 12,000/. for rite erection of a royal observatory at the Cape of Good Hope. Ile wished to know what possible benefit was to be derived to this country from such a measure ? The House had on former ecca. sions voted supplies and salaries under the promise of receiving further information, and he wished Government had, in the present instance, informed the !louse what hopes were to be entertained that they might be afterwafile able to judge how far these prospects had been realised. It was not his wish to throw unnecessary objections in the way of the Estimates ; but he thought it time for the House to consider and investigate the ratere and application of them pre. vious to voting away the public money in the manner proposed. Mr. ROBERTSON deprecated the bad policy of the Gentleman opposite, in suggesting a reduction of our naval force, at a time when the commercial interests of the country had become so ex tended, and of course required an additional force to protect them in case of a rupture with foreign powers. It was nut fair in the lion. Member for Aberdeen 111 r. flume) to press upon the notice of the House our great superiority in naval power over every other nation, without recurring to the fact, that our superior commerce made it necessary it should be so. It was also to be remarked, that, in the event of a war, we had not only to provide against the attacks of what he might call the royal marine of foreign Powers, but alio against every merchant ship in their possession, which would be invariably turned into a privateee against us. Our com mercial interest was not now ss it had teen a few years ago, con fined to the Mediterranean mill the vicinity of our Colonial pos sessions ; it had extended itself to the teniotest quarters of the globe, and consequently required a greater force to protect its interests, and repel aggressions. Mr. HUME rose to repel the insinuation conveyed in the objec tions of the Hon. Member who hail just sat down. lie wished, as much as any man, to protect our commercial interests, but he must protest against the cipenditure of a million a.year in building ships which were unnecessary. lie could never agree in the prin. ciple of enlarging our naval force, while we possessed three times as mall ships in our yards as we had in commission. The gross number of ships was 500, of which but 130 were commissioned. Such an expenditure of money was worse than useless, and he would still continue to doubt the propriety of building ships to be consumed by the dry rot, and for which there was no actual de mand. Sjr G. CLERK moved that the sum of 29,0331. la fed. be granted to defray the contingent expentes of the Navy Pay- Office. file. HUME objected to the increase of expenditure in the de partment of the Navy Pay-office from 13,0001. to 30,0001. The Resolution was then agreed to. It was then moved, that the sum of 56.7801. 15s. be granted for expenses of the Navy Office. Mr. HUME complained of the number of Commissioners in this department as even greater than in the Admiralty. Sir B. MARTIN stated, that the number was four lets than it had been in time of war. business of the Transport Office had been added to this department, and it was impossible the pub lic business could be conducted with fewer officers. When Lord Spencer was at the head of the Admiralty, he saw and acknow. ledged that the business of the Navy Office eoule not be carried on otherwise than it was. The fact wax, and it should go forth that it was so, the Act of Parliament empoweree the appointment of an additional Commissioner to those now on the establishment, but for the sake of retrenchment that idea was abandoned. At the time when there were ten Commissioners, instead of six (the pre sent number), there was not one tithe of the terseness attached to the establishment which it at present executed. It was moved that 33,9771. 10s. be granted :or the services of the Victualling Office.—Agreed to. It was moved that the sum of 157,1761. 13a. Znl. be granted for the ordinary and extraordinary expenses of hit Majesty's Dock yards at Deptford, 11'4 , 0114.10, Chatham Sheerness, Portatnouth, Plymouth, Pembroke, Deal, Harwich, Leith, ('twee, and Cove.— Agreed to. Moved that 50,000/. be granted, at wars, o artificers and labourers of every class, employed in his Majesty's yards at home, and for the teams of homes. Sir E. KNATCIIBULL wished to know what esplanaiion was meant to be offered respectidg the artisans and labourers who had been discharged from Portsmouth, who in many intuition, as he was given to tandem/oil. had become burdensome to tidy parishes. He understood that there had been a degree of partiality in the woes in which these dismissals had taken place. Sir GEORGE CLERK, in answer to the Hon. Ren ne t, said, that when it became necessary tottiminish the number of shipwrights, the Admiralty, not wis ing to deprive totally of the means of subsistence those men, for whom they hal ho further use as sit ewriktlits, determined, out of kindness, to continue them working at interior trades; a n d this wen taken as a boon at the time. flowerer, about August or Septe.nber last, they became discontented, and murmured at this arrangement. They were then told, that eeepin4 them on at lower wages was intended to be a favour to them; and that, if they could get higthe wages elsewhere, ttnete was no objection to their going. It was also intimated to them, that ansingenents of exactly a correstiond ing nature had been made in the or her yards, and that the ship wrights in those places were perfectly satisfied with them (hear.) At Plymouth the like plan was acted on, and there wan no grumbling; the men, on the contrary, were thankful for the kindness extended to them, and were glad to remain. As to the fears expressed by the Hon. Baronet of those discharged men be coming chargeable on their parishes, he had to answer--that no thing emild at present be more easy than for those who wished to ob tain employment, there was now such a general demand for ship wrights. The conduct of these men was the more to be won. dered at, as in general they preferred the public employment to any other. lie agreed with the lion. Member for Aberdeen flume), that if they discharged all the men at present employed in Hampshire, Devon, or Cornwall, there would be employment enough for them in pr irate yards. Sir E. KNATCH BULL explained. Mr. HUSKISSON believed there was now great demand for ahipwnghts in the River, indeed such's demand as would give employment to them all; but he regretted to say that • spirit of insubordination had lately crept in among the men, owing principally to the bad advice and intrigue. of Committees, into whose hands their affairs were now committed. Owing to these comblnaions, a greater stagnation exists in all the yards in the River than had been knows for some time; and, indeed, the men have proceeded to such a pitch. as to make it neeesary for the House to intsifere aboet those taws; the removed of which has proved prejudicial alike to master and labourer. At present there were many parties ready to give employment, and „the men, by their refusal, had shown their conduct in a light which he did not wish to characterize as it deserved. In answer to the remark of the lion. Member for Kent (Sir E. Knatehlmll) he begged to any, that if these shipwrights were thrown on their parish it was their own fault ; they had the means of getting ample employment s a: fair and reasonable compensation for their labour. In conclusion, the Right Hon. Gentleman expensed his hope that he should hear no more of that system of combina tion which was sn injurious to the authors of it. Sir G. COCK BURN said a few words in explanation of the conduct of the Admiralty. Mr. HUME said, that, so far from thinking the Government to blame, he thought they acted with great humanity in keeping the men on at a low rate of wages, until the merchant had employment for them, and though they were not satisfied to work, he looked on it as an act of humanity towards them. He agreed with the Pre sident of the Board of Trade (Mr. Huskisson) that the system of combination now existing was injurious as well to the marter as to the men. He trusted, however, that their good sense would make them guard against such conduct for the future; though they had generally, hither:o. conducted themselves well, It could not be de , tried that seine portion of then had abused their privileges. (Hear, hear.) They had imposed on their employers restraints , "(hear, hear.) more degrading titan the laws which lately affected them , selves. Ile considered the conduct of the artisans as most tmgra , cious, and calculated to make the Horse return t those old laws , which had been lately muted. This he feared they would coat , pct the House to do, however disagreeable it may prove to act , against general principles. He wan fearful they would force their mends to desert them, and join in what must become soon the ge::eral feeling. He thought the constituents of the Honourable Baronet (Sir E. Knstehbull) bad no cause to complain. They could ask for relief from their parish with a bad pact: after having refused work when of it. After • few words from Mr. CHRISTOPHER SMITH, the vote was al;reed to. lb, The sum of 638.3G4i1. was .hfl voted for timber stores and !ghee materials, fur the building and repair of his Majesty's ships, for the ordinary repair of the ships in harbour, and for the repairs of the docks, wharfs, and buildings, and incidental expenses. On the motion that the aunt of 40,0001. be granted for •' pilotage, bounty for 'lures. salvage, maintenance of distressed seamen in foreign parts. Exchequer fees, and other contingencies," HUME inquired why the bounty for slaves should be mixed up with this vow - , with which it bad ro apparent connection? Sir G. CLERK answered, it was in accordance with an Act of Parliament, that the bounty for slaves was included in the Nary Estimates. The stun of 52,0221. 13s. Sd. was voted to defray the expenses of the Foreign Yards. • Oa the motion that 73,5721. ed. be granted to defray the ex penses of the Victualling Yards, Mr. HUME said, he was astonished to find that this estimate was increased, although a promise was trade of a reduction. Sir G. CLERK replied that no increase had taken place in the number of persona employed ; the difference arose from their bele . ; employed in a different manner. The sum of 53,5101. 13x. lld. was next moved for the support r f the Medical Establishments. 311:1 1 1iidiBSi;11,Niliit was that in the navy and army dif fere.. systems had always been pursued with respect to medical stores? The navy procured them from the Apothecaries'.hall, while on the other hand the army got them throne agents. Sir G. CLERK said a few grinds in reply. V. e understood him to say, that the medical stores fur the navy were procured by the Victualling Board. The vote was then agreed to. The sum of 108,0'41. 7s. id. was voted for the wages of the officers, shipkeepers, and men, borne on the several ships while they remain in ordinary. On the motion Oat 40,480/. be granted for the hired packets, Mr. HUME asked if any of the expense was not paid by the post.offiee? it would be very unfair if it were not so. Sir G. CLERK said, that the intention of Government was to substitute small vessels of war in place of hired packets, as soon as the contracts now existing should expire. Mr. HUME begged to ask the ChaneaUor of the Exchequer, why postage should be charged on newspapers sent to the Colonies, any more than if they were sent to Ireland or to any part of the country ? The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, it was ob vious that the expense of transmitting papers end letters to the Colonies must necessarily be greater than sending them to Ireland. With regard to newspapers, he begged to say, that the postage on them to the Colonic. was very moderate. Mr. HUME said, that the postage on newspapers to the Colonies amounted to about 12..000/., which was a charge of three or four pounds a year. As to letters, he would make no remark ; but he felt that if the postage of newspapers to the West Indies were lessened, this good would result from it—we would be made better acquainted with what was going on there. After a conversation, in which Mr. T. Wi,.sow, Mr. Fat- M•NTI.E, and Sir G. COCKBURN, took place, the VOL* was agreed to. On the motion that E 97,5001. be granted fur the half.pay of the several OfScers, who may be unemployed during the present year, Air. HUME asked, whether those Officers who entered into Holy Orders, and were therefore incapacitated from serving again, still continued to receive the half-pay in the army ? lie knew this was the case. Sir G. COCKBIJRN said, it was found that many officers who hail entered into Holy Orders were settled in small curacies; these it was thought unjust to deprive of their half-pay. It was however determined, that any Officer who, for the future, should become a Clergyman, should thereby forfeit his half-pay. It would have been unfair to have given the menaure a retrospective erect; and therefore. it was that those who received it before the minute was made still continued to receive it. . . Mr. HVltlk maid. he had in his hands a copy of the only minute, he believed, that wag made on the subject; it was dated Dec. 13. 1824. It stated, that there lead been a meeting of the two services (army and navy) on the subject. % hen he first brought the subject before the House he was met with a de claration that the thing wag quite impossible—the utter itnpossi. bility of the case was broadly asserted. Now, he wished to know if, before he mentioned the matter, any order bad existed ? or whether the matter passed sat sikraio? In fact, what he wished particulariy to be told was, if any specific order was made on thesubj-cr. Mr. ChiOliEß said, there had been an application, and it was refused. Mr. lIUME asked. was he to understand that navy officers, taking orders, were struck off the list ? Mr. CHOKER replied, that any navy officers taking holy orders were struck of immediately. The resolution was then agreed to. Sir G. CLERK then moved that the sum of 131,6921. Ms. 2d. be granted for the superannuations, pensions, and allowances to officers in the military line of the naval service, their widows and relat ifes.—.A greed to. -- • - - 1,6001. for ivaying bounty to Chaplains.—Agreed to. 7.0001. allowance to widows and urpliar.s on the Compassionate List.—Agreed to. 90,000!. to make good the deficiencies In the funds of the Charity for the Relief of %% idows of Commissioned and Warrant Olficers in the-Royal Navy—Agrced to. 260,0001. to make good the deficiancies of the funds for defray ing the charge of the Out-pensioners of Greenwich Hospital.— Agreed to. 1fv9,503/. 13s. 9d. to defray the chargeof superannuation money to Commissioners, Secretaries, and Clerks ; and of allowanca, in lieu of half-pay; to Naval Officers, formerly employed in the naval departments. Mr. 11U31E objected to the item of 4161. 131. 4d. to Paw Fraser, Esq. Commissioner, after only ten yeas ' service. Mr.CßllKEß—Fitteen years. Sir G. CLERK said, these pensions were granted upon the Bill brought in by the Honourable Member for Vorkshire (Mr. Stuart IVortley.) Mr. HGAIE asked why he should be likewise entitled to half-par ? Mr. CROKER—If the gallant officer had t%t gone into the Civil Service he would still have been entitled to it. Mr. HUMP said. that in addition to this pensim they had made' him • Rear-Admiral. The reeoltdion was then agreed to. Sir G. CLERK mored the grant of 255,00 E for works of the Dock-yards, the 1111123 wanted !nor Transport an rice, for the Vier tualling Board, and for orneiainna to the Army on board transports, and earrisons atimad—Agreei to. 168.3001. to pty the ext.ense of the charge for Transports.— Agr M eed tp. r. HUME said he perceived in the vote before the lest a stun of 46.001i1. for completing the works of the Breakwater at Plymouth. He understood, that according to the present system of intmage ment, it would require 26 years to finish it. Did the floverninent tntend to adopt the plan of the Sheerness works, or how long did they intend to go on in this manner ? Air G. CLERK said, an application had been lately made to tee superintendent on the subject, and the ensuer was, that it would be impossible to spend any more than that sum in the year, but he urderstood that a Report would be presented shortly. Mr. fIUME had no doubt that the Report would fully bear out the Hon. Gentleman's statement. When a superintendent had LOOK a year, it was not very likely that he wolild point out any very hasty way of concluding his laboms. There was a payirmter too, who had MU s.year, for paying about 3,500/. Surely his salary might he mowed. Sir CLERK maintained, that even if the Breakwater could be finished in a shorter time than was propmed, still Mr. Whitbread. the superintendent, was entitled to some allowance, as a measure el gra.iinde from the country. Mr. CROHER eulogised the character of Mr. Whitbread as an honest and meritorious servant of fhe public fo! more than 60 years. lie wait sure that whenever his services did reach their termination, that the country would have reason to lament he could not Berrie them limier. Mr. 111.131 E acknowledged that he was an able man ; but he objected to the jergeness of the salaries comrared with the dcties. Ile objected to such an establishment, and he certainly thotieht there could be no occasion for a secretary at 6831. to pay some NO or 100 men. It could be very well done by the paymaster at Ply mouth. Mr. CROKER said, the estimates had been red.iced. The House then resumed, and the Report was ordered to be brought up tu-morrow. CATHOLIC PETITION. Mr. BROUGHAM rose, and said he was instructed to state to the !louse, that the lion. Baronet who was that night to have I,re sewed the petition of the Catholic body had been prevented by en occident from fulfilling his intention ; but he understood that this mat important document would be certainly presented to-n.orrow night. and that it was the intention of the lion. Baronet to move the House that it should be taken into conNideration on to-morrow week. IRISIIUNLAWFUL SOCIETIES BILL. Mr. GOULBURN moved the Order of the Day for the second reading of the Irish Unlawful Societies Suppression Bill. Lord NUGENT rose.—lf he had no other objection to the Bill now before the House than what he hart heard from the commence. mein of the Session, he would see good reason to oppose it- Scarcely any two of his Majesty's Aliaister agreed. Neither the Attorney-General for Ireland nor the Right lion. Secretary for Ireland agreed with any other in the nature of the statute, the ex tent of its application, or the result: if the RightzHno.Seeretary and the Atiornee-General for Ireland were right in their assertions re opening the great influence exercised by the Catholic Aucciation over the people of Ireland. then the Foreign Secretary was wrong • in the opinions he delivered on a former evening. The Fordo Se cretary opposes the Association, because he contends that it does not represent the feelings and opinions of the Catholic body. The Attorney-General and the Irish Secretary, on the contrary, contend that it is dangerous solely from its intimate connexion with the great mend the people. The Secretary foe the Home Department opposes the Association, because he thinks it likely to disturb the peace of the country by its interference with the ancient system of Government. The Hon. Member for Loutit (Mr. L. Foster) die. approved of the proceeding of the Association, because Ireland was in • state of repose. IVhat result, then, de :hey anticipate from this HUI? If Ireland remains tranquil, the Foreign Secretary may consider his opinions fortified. Where, then, he would ask, is the danger? If. unfortunately, disaffection should break out, and :he consequence of this Bill should be to drive ten irotited people to resistance. then the Attorney-Gereral and the Secretary for Ireland would boast of the truth of their predictions. But would not that be prodnerd by their own measure ? Would it not be the effect of their interference? But he must strenuously assert that no case • has been made nut to justify such an Ant--no evidence had been re bend. Even if • case had been made out, which he denied, their Bill is a bad one, ineffectual as well as impolitic, and wanting, siw rale to say, any clause which provides against the main object of the measure—the Catholic interference with the administration of justice. He objected too that this Bill was not a ueanimone niewerre of his Majesty's Ministers, but a base sacrifice of the feel. irgs of one part to the prejudices of the others ; and because it had been userted that, unless the A soviet ion was put down, the Catholic question could never be carried with the full measure of approba non. His Majesty's Ministers had certainly prepared us to expect that we must not look foe any evidence in support of this Bill, and they had kept their engagement. Ile appealed to any Member who supported them if they were able to state one fact which had been proved—if they had heard any—if they possessed any evidence, more than they did—any private information—it was right that they should put them into the same condition. But there watt core. They were about to pass a Bill, unprecedented. dangerous, and highly penal, without the slighted evidence of its necessity. They had been told that the Association felt ton mach deference and respect for this House to attempt any resistance to its avowed deter. minations. Upon what. In the name of comin MI sense, was that opin ion founded ? Had that House been so kind and considerate in their emidoes to the e'elholie nobility and gentry—to the rank and cha racter and wonh which they acknowledge ; or were they entitled to respect, because they had been wise enough to pass an Act unjust and unconstitutional, without the slightest evidence ? The Attor ney-General had consoled himself with the idea that the Gentlemen whose names were at the head of the Association had too much good taste, and kind feeling,and proper respect for the Legislature, not to enuform to the meaning and intention of this Act. What lie was to understand by this he knew not, unless that those who were placed under the operation ofthe blunderingviolence of an fin potait Aet were to consider it unjust,and that they should not regard its provisions. In what a situation, by this recommendation, were they placed ! In what a situation, after all their vapouring about dignity and necessity, and rival Parliaments, and insulting Resolu tions, when they are compelled to say we have sent a law to control you ; if you have common shrewdness you may evade it ; but we rely upon your honour, you must consider our intention not our declarations ; you must be guided by the spirit not by the letter. Ile never knew any parallel to such a proceeding in the annals of legislation. Ile had heard, indeed, a story somewhat resembling it in absurdity, which be would relate to the House. During the exile of the late King of France a Nobleman had committed some real or supposed offence against the etiquette of the Court. A Cours de Justice was immediately summoned, and the Noble man—an emigrant, like his Sovereign, was cited, with all due solemnity, to appear before it. The Nobleman did not thick proper to comply. The consequence was, that he was served with a notice to consider himself a close prisoner in the Concierperte, and in that imaginary prison he remained, regularly attending, however, all places of amusement, until death (about two rears before his master's restoration) put an end at once to his imprisonment and his sufferings. (liear, hear, mid a laugh.) That the Catholics will act advisedly, and with all dee discretion, lie had no doubt, but by this Act they could not compel them their duty must be solely owing to affection. They reminded Pim of the old West Indian story. `• Massa, if you flogee—flogee, and if you preachee—preachee ; but no dope and preachee to." If you advise—advise, and if yea prescribe—prescribe . • but don't prescribe and advise at the same time. Whether the Catholic Association was to be destroyed, or not, he did not consider a very important question. The Catho lic Association was but a creature ; our decrees may alienate the whole people, and he would ask now a question which he believed had been asked ninety and nine times—it there are but two ways of putting an end to these distractions—a Penal Code and Catholic Emancipstion—why not give us the Emancipation ? (Hear, hear.) The Right Honourable Secretary for the Home Depart. mint thinks it would be incompatible with the security of the Este 'dished Church. He honoured the Right Honourable Secretary for that declaration, because he believed it possessed the merit of sin cerity. But what say those Right tionourable Gentlemen who have, upon every question how to save or govern Ireland, been dia metrically opposite in their opinions till now ?—What say they ? why, they are at length agreed upon a remedy : they have decided upon a panacea—a blister, to irritate and plague the patient. (Hear.) He bagged pardon for trespassing so long on the !louse (hear) ; but, situated as he was with regard to this question, he felt he must consume more of their attention. If Honourable Gentlemen would not allow him to judge of their reason for enforcing this Bill, by a full declaration of their objects beyond what the measure itself in formed Min, he was forced to the oneor the other of these alternatives —either that they had no solid ground for doing so, but were led away by their fears--or that the reasons by which they acted were not proper ,to be developed. If the opinions of Lord Wellesley had been received, is they were of some importance, they ought to be made known. He (Lord Nugent) had heard this was a question upon which much difference of opinion really existed in• the Cabinet, with regard to a part of that Nobleman's opinion& If so, why then he, for one, never could assent to pass t1::1 Bill, unless lie was informed why, and how, and coupled with what conditions the Marquis ifellealey was disposed thus to arm the Executive Power against the Roman Catholics of Ireland ? Ile honestly believed that the Noble Marquis must have been very much misinformed respecting the state of the Catholics; for lie could not suppose that his Lordship could at this time of day have assented to this measure with full knowledge of the real disposition of the Catholics of Ireland. He could not have come to such a judgment as that, nor have been base enough to truckle his opinions to others, What then was he t Lord Nugent) to believe? Why, he believed this, that if Lord ti elleley had expressca his assent to the measure, it was done in a qualified way ; or else that one halt of his Lordship's opinion had been received, sqd the other half suppressed, in order to give a certain portion of the Cabinet a vic tory, by getting this obnoxious Bill to pass. One word more, and he should then no longer detain the House. If it were only in or der to compel his Moiety's 'Mennen to have recourse to the real and only alternative by which Ireland could be rendered lastingly peaceable and happy, he would vote most strenuously against this measure. Should they persevere in inflicting this additional pe nalty on the people of that unfortunate country, then he called upon every Gentleman who valued the right of free discussion—he called upon every Gentleman who had a real feeling towards hapless Ire. land—he called upon every Gentleman who was a friend to true liberty, to vote against this dangerous measure ; because he was sure that, hoverer it might destroy the Association, it would only increase the spirit which animated it. Let it not be supposed that there was not a most close sympathy existing between the Catholics of Ireland and the Catholic Association. 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