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'to 11 'gift that la fat it his arty thos shortly t tall the 'attendee of thr Home to thellallieet of this Petition. IRISH lII:COACHES. 'llre..*Codega said, that tea trovieg the Order of the Hoy • for second readies of thisll; Mew make a few ~ beervhflose, width oppeeeed Mlles ; sad In Me 'lint plats Wished to express his oilmen respect for the PetatioasterwOrneral, as rivets Noblesse, though be rooliti efillaWyktmemd.ge their eondect la their office; 'he shoo vie slairittes to gamma hie wawa fee the Cowtractor , s',ir the MAD weitless selesdathich was the reed he I. rt priecipally is lemma pollemisa •for whom lie 1-ol a sincere regard Me_ piinelei friendship must not inter fere with public arty. lie had relocated the Secretary of State for !celestite forward the Bill in questisio to the Post. 'lssetere.Orseral there, for their observations; their Land chips were not it lowa, bet she Bight Hun. Gastineau had peen set kiwi as to communicate to him itrebbserwations of their :territory ors the Rill, and it was tram the Secretary's remarks. that 'he Maud it nereseery to trouble the Howse; ego) here he roast observe, that, if he had any doubts before . es to the propriety end emearity of this hilt, the observations .of the Irish Postioffies completely removed them. Upon such obeervatinev es he (Mr. Cooper) had made on bringing in the Rat, which were not deeded by the Irish Pore-office, lie felt it nemecessai yto say any thing More. The first °lo tion tittles. made by Me Secretary was moat exraar dioary ; he 'denied nest the heavy coaches, with the greater riember of plesengers, snivelled 'slower in consequence ; he raidfit almost as well have said • that a waggon ou:ht "tae travel es fast as a rot conch ; another abet rvatiws sot the Secretary was, that they were obliged to .thew she sddilioual member uf paseengers aienreer they were applied to, otiose wlse the eontrart would he thrown up. 'rims it was olovious that the Poet-olfire contracts were good rears" the public, but good for outhing as against tier can. vitriol-, "hewing that there was to security, and that of enure the Possoffice was at the eUTTIIIIeIe mercy of the con tractor. The Secretary stye, 'list the Mutest/lice had paid large slims in advertising for contracts, in var. This did hot snorter him, fur ins aolvertisenient of this deeeription II load art his eye ices the western reed, for a contract fur a roach for four iusidd and one outside passenger, where the coaelm a already established were allowed to carry nix inside out (our outsitte piesitigere. It was trite in vain, in such a 'caw, .to esprit Ibis advertisement con's' tee imeceseful, and the money was cuuserrently thrown away; indeed, he comb" hest think the Postmllice *Anomie 'vriehiirg to he snecesefol. lie uheerved, that the Secretlify, in'ealetilating the nitleael„ %, ',nutria the distenee Into English miles. It, however, this way allowed, the Secretary must allow him to state the greet nolvantages the Irish contractor had in the cheapness sat homes, of forage, of lebour, and other matins. But the Se. sr, ivy Lays, airre i• a contractor, whose moieties In ostlers annually amount too 1,11001. This is a must important data from which to draw the following conelusions:—lf the timbre cost 1,60 n/. per annum, as there is a clerk or :neat at must of the station, where there are ostlers, who superints nol the seavbille, mid every thing sa lving to the coati:es, it was obvious their salaries soma, on the whole, exerul the o..tlrm; he would call them, on a guess, 2,0001., per annum. To this most he added she rent of she staliks along the line; be 0.111 not call these less then 4001. Now this 4,000!. per ensionn welshd be altogether • aimed to the public iw !reload, if the coaches were conduct ed me the Fotglieh plan by the iwnkerpces use the tomb', for though sheen...racoon must have all these expenditores, it was w.i so wills the ionkeepen; with them tlse sense wakes, the same stabiles, their own superiatendauce its can yin( ma their ether beanies", did that of the mail coaches. But there was another matter in be taken into comideration. The pro fits on such ao establishment ought to be very considerable, ewohably 3or 4,004)1. pre annum. Thus it eppeared there seemed lee as ample fend for encouraging the iitukeepers to 4inttliwtolle the business. Bet the Secretary says, these are •no such mimeo be had. He (Mr. C.) said, You don't, nor '54111 cannot try, so lung as you make contracts fur 7. 14, and 21 years, and renew contracts berme they are expired." boot the Secretary says, I , 'they don't ram them. they only extend them." This is certsioly a chimerical dietlaetios ; end he says, they sieves sxi.ad them but obeli they get a great &demises for the public, as where the coateettor coo. seals to go bee, hooted of fear miles an hour. Now this is precisely our of the things whist, he (Sir. C.) etimplained of thy agree with cools-actin atogo at four miles ao hour env such magnilleent road,. and pet in the power of the euntractor to oblige the Poet-olEce thereby to renew his runtract, by Warr; to go at a greater rate 1 Dot the 13.0 at extraordinary coloservation of the PostmdEce Secretary was te r last, and in which he is very warm. He charges him t Mr. C.) with the Hill making Ilia owners of mast roachis liable to all the penalties that drivers of stage coaches are liable to by the SOth of the King. Now all he need say ou this part of the etitject was, that it did no such thing—it does nut make them liable to those realties; and, in face, It was at the maggestims sof owe of the contractors that be (Mr. C.) struck out the clause is the Act in question; au that it ens toortsine but the eagerness to bud fault with this Bell that ura-ioned the unfoondeil observation. Upon the whole, the Secretary's defence of do it. Print.) was most unfortunate. Be', he observed, that in one of t h e WWI IlelP, sieve the annual suns to the Contractor amoutatol to 1,4731. per annum, they allowed him 1201 for carrying Ilbe Sunday mail. Now as it is well knows" the coaches travel ou the Notsoley, *ltether they have a mail er nut, it would have m erino! little foresight in the lust-offiee to hare saved ibis sum; but it appeared they gave the same contractor 5281. for carrying a secuud guard—this seemed le erectly enor mous. He could make similar strong observations ow ethers of the contract., tint he would not feather occupy the thine if else House with that past of the subject. Upon the veltule, the onail coaches ou the western roast were shitinefitl—heavy 'coaches allowed instead of tight coaches, diligence' instead uf (meetly*, and all 'levelling at a slower rate than they ought. It seemed by the Post office Secretary, that be thought it exit/tontines y that the conduct of the Post-office department shunted he milled in (restive ; bet he (Hr. C.) did mot see why atty "iotohlic drpartrriral rbwld escape the ihal an perititeutiatire uf Pao hiameut ; be could not molly forget the Report of the Commissioners of Aerometer where they stated chat in an eniceruisr to audit the Post-ofise accounts, they (after speeding more then • year it investsgation) were obliged to report that from 1794 s. 1810, a period of to vin., they cone" get an satisfactory account ; that the year 1610 was 'hefted satisfactory account they could lay hands as, and in this they were etialiged to lake it op with what ever balance the Post-office chose lac give them. it was fair. however. to slate that Ise believed the accounts of that depariewut were from that time correct. However, there were other abases he could notice, but that he did not aisle (either to trerposs yes the time of the Home. Where there was Iva year a Postlatice revenue of 160,0001. and only 46,0061. reached the Exchequer, it was peel/lila, we. canary to investigate the aerosols of the establishes's.' ; atid even with this great espeiteliture, they would sot allow a real mail coach to thereat breach of road cemented with Sligo. Viotti the whole, with so strong a case—with a case so gm from shakes, strooglyconfirmed it was with great relic• tams he should move to postpone the Bill; hut whew hew'. *Werra the late period of the Semis., that the Secretary of State for Ireland had sot had as opportunity of iNforesing Isonseelf en the suloirel,and that as the Pill did out proposer aneadle with existing exmairacts, the delay in that respect could mot lee iiijuriuus, be would move that the Bell *Wald be reed a second time this day six moothe, with the deter tuinatious if he was is Partisan; of briagieg it forward next Seasium. The Bill ass posimmedaccordio*. Mr. HAIITAILD iwaaaltei a Petitions hoes Deireamaiire, pimp Isig thetensie aharatise might be mode w the Lew rue the reemery of Small Debts. DUTY ON WOOL. EOM ROSZIT Enmshe H. Seaman (Slimier tor Gloorestersleire). said, he held is his hand a Petition e.igued by a large eca respectable parttime of his coestitoents, against the Tee on Foreign Wool. He was, be aid, aware that die lime fee petsentiag the Petitions had goo* by, bit be felt it his duty testate in his place that he had received it. He could state that the Mx hod excited a great and ge. meal Stl/111110111 ihroeighoet the mouotry—it was II tax which maser greedy issime woollies simpfactures. GLASS DIRT. Mr. lloosuar breath* op We Report of abs Glass Tow Duly Bill; mid oho Hal woo brought op, sad read a brat bow us the swiss of the Cussciuma of the Escsroarss, i / i . ~ ... • the Tubuai Importation WI was rialSseemsal time, and committal. ASSESSED TAXES. Mr. Bectossu brought up the Report on the Assessed Taxes Composition Bill.—Ordereal to he taken into further consideration ou Thursday nest. LOTTERY Btt.t. On the Order of the Day being moved for the tbird rending of the Lottery Bill— Mr. Les-ref:rot( rose. not, he said, for the pur pose of entering at large upon the policy or justice of the Bill, he had already recorded his tal J JJ ion on the subject ; but he rose to state a fact which certainly was of a very scandalous nature. It was this—that a Mr. Wheeler, a late Sheriff of the City of Dublin, had been last year convicted of carrying on at system of illegal ilemratares—such deserved punishment ; it was most scandalous, and was ot variance even with the principle of the Right Flon. Gentleman himself. This was a twit ter which called for animadversion, and he wished now to know whether any step bad beets taken lay the Right Ham. Gentleman. The CitvcceLt.ot of the EXCUTQUIER said a few word., which were not audible in the gallery. We understood him to pay, that lay waa not acquainted with the cit - cninstances of the case to which the eight lion. Gentleman alluded. Mr. lArrreurosr, in reply, said, that the record of Wheeler's conviction war on the table of the House; be was convicted of keeping a little-go shop; he was therefore surprised how this scandalous °Hence could hare remained ntiknown to the Right Immo. Gentleman, and certainly it was not to be de fended on the plea of ignorance. De would now only say, that he expected not to find this scanda lous gambling and little-go Sheriff licensed nest year. After Mr. LYTTFI.ToN concluded, the Bill was read the third lime and passed. EXCISE DUTIES DILL The Order of the Day being read to take into consideration the Excise Unties Bill—on the motion that the Speaker do leave the Chair, The Marquis of Tavvivocts said, lie email not let this opportunity pas. without expressing his sen timents on the new taxer. On this subject, he would freely tepee., his rspinio► s. though he might differ perhaps from Gentlemen with whom he was in the habit of meting. Was et not, lie asked, a grievous reflection, that the proposal of Ministers for en income tax. had the inemediete effect ou Members of getting rid of that tax ? as a NO!)!e Lord, on that ()erasion, had 03114 that Member, poly felt *envious to relieve them selves, it was a sad reflection. that the [louse of Commons were prepared to reject with in dignation a tent affection, themselves, whilst a tax operating with the most distressing effect oil the pe,orer 'hisses of avciety, was received with cheers, sod nothing was heard but the triumphinit majorities of Ministers.- 7 /Ihvir, hear./-11 this language was considered intemperate. let the Gen tlemen recollect. that io letn. the Noble Lord op posite (Lord Cluttering:lt) hail declared, that as the !louse took off the property tax to relieve them selves, Ministers felt it right to take off the malt but to relieve the country. If taxes must be im paled, if it be necessary to place fresh burdens on the people, why did not Ministers now propose their favourite income tax ? The realm was this— that Ministers weir afraid of the House of Cone moi.e. Ile lied heard much complaint against the imputed diseffee • of the people-4f the people were discontented. was it a mutter Or surprise to flied them so ? Wive. it a matter of surprise to hind them discontented, when they sari those w'io should be their representatives in interest and in feeling, :es well as in natne, sheltering themselves from a property tax, whilst they impose fresh taxes upon the poor man, already suffering under burdens too heavy t o be borne—was this, he asked. what .he c try had a right to expect from that I louse ? Would thee have acted thus in the last year of Parliament was long his persuasion that opposition within the walls of that House would have little effect ; that it would be useless to rail against taxation, how evre oppressive. until lie could see a Hume of Commons elected by the people.—(llear.)—The only true remedy appeared to him to shorten the donation of Parliament, and to give a virtual reins saltation of the people. The noose were not igno rant of the state of the public mind—they knew with what anxiety, in the course of the recent elec tions, every opportunity was seised by else people , to assert their rights, and to express their senti ments on public affairs—they knew that a change of men would not relieve them—that nothing but a change of measures could save the country. The voice of the people of England should not be dis regarded : they have cried out against taxation— they have expressed open hostility against the large peace establishments that have been kept no. The cambial and the Crown are at variance. The peo ple have called on Ministers for a reduction of este blisliments,eend relief from their burdens ; anti hew have they been answered? They have been an swered by increased taxation. sudden. heavy. seal severe. The Ministers of the Crown have hero tumbled to Jo this. because they le“ve been sup ported by a Parliament elected for seven years, and influenced by borough interest. For lion ' self he would declare, flint until lie saw a sin cere disposition manifested to relieve the people —until lie saw a reduction in the public establish ments—until he saw a system of reform, retrench ment. and economy acted on in all the depart , menu of the State, he would not misted to lac one additional tax upon the people. Feeling as he ditl, he would move, that this Bill be emensitted this day six mouth,. The CHANCET.I.OI of the EXCHEQUER said, that of course all taxation must ultimately fall the great body of the people; but it was a subject of congratulation. Out the additional taxes had but little pressure on the lower orders of society. Of the three millions proposed to be raised, the pres sure on the poor was trifling—the malt tax. for instance, will not Macaw the price of beer.—(4 lerils.)—As to the arguments of the Noble Lord. they were of • general nature, mid applied more to the constitution of Patliatostit, and not against the taxes. Mr. Csuatts CALVERT said, he was greatly surprised at the speech of the Right nom Gentle man. The Right Hon. Gentleman said, that the malt tax affected the rich and not the poor. Now he (Mr. Calvert) took it quite in the reverse ; it struck him, that the tea injured the poor sod not • • the rich. the excisemen; by the law, is preveitterl from entering on titivate premises; and persom who are in the habit of brewing for themselves have thus the advantage of purchasing malt, before the excisenarm can take the amount of the stock on hands—they have the advantage of purchasing it free of the duty now imposed; but the public brewer, who manufactures the article for the poor. can have no such advantagew-therefore the poor are exposed to the immediate pressure of the oat._ whilst the Lich, to a certain extent, are exempt front it. When the Right Hon. Gentlettion as serted, that this tax would not affect the price uf' the article, he seemed to forget that if the tax was not imposed, the price of beer would be lessened. The price of beer, like every other commodity, must always depend. in a great measure, on the march .1 of which it is composed ; and certainly the pri.iti 111 l of the (tight Hon. Gentleman is very novel— whilst he proposes to tax the material,. he mortals that he will not affect the price. He (Mr. Calvert) was not sufficiently prophetic to Nay whether or not the price of the article would he raised, but cer tainly it was prevented from being; harried. The situation, lie said. of mallrtrrs, was cruel 111 the ex treme ; they hail been subject to match inconve nience, mini to heavy duty, and they are now sob jr et to an additional duty of 94. 6.1. The Home might impow ditties on the people. but could they collect them ?—(Near, hter.)—Will not the excess of taxation defeat the hopes of the revenue ? The Honourable Gentleman complained of the insuf ficient securities *lnch, in many ilisaances, mole sters are in the hobit of entering into, and instanced a case where a mobster applied to a tailor, or rather a mender of old clothes, to become his security for 2,0001. though the man never in his life was worth 1001. Mr. iIkNNETT said, that the Right Hon. Geo. tient:in (she Chancellor of the Exchequer) did not stale the argument fairly. He said that the Malt Tax would not street the price of herr ; but was it not certain that the tax preveisted the price from being blistered, null, therefore, wis it not substan tially a burden oti the people ? Upon this point it was not necessary to argue. To contend that heavy taxation sill not influence the price of the article taxed, was a position altogether untenable. The taxes proposed were stuck us would greatly Weil the people, arid he could not but cotssider it the worst possible means of supporting public credit by oppressing the poor. Hr could Hot approve of tales that wrist to secure or to increase the property of the stuck-holder at the expense of the counlrY, already taxed beyond its means. He was, lie said, astonished to hear it asserted, that those taxes will nut affect the poor. Did he forget the tea tax ; was not that article now a necesiatry of life, nod the source of subsistence of the poor ? Were they ignorant that many a poor family existed almost on tea—that many ■ poor man, with his wife and six or seven child►en, out down to partake of this scanty beverage, without milk or sugar, and with sin other kind of food brit an insufficient quan tity of coarse. brown bread ? He could attest the fact, of tws counties with which be was acquainted, massy families were reduced to this state. Tea was their common, constant, and scanty sustenance— this article had already been taxed three millions— the East India Company have a monopoly of pro fits of two millions more. 'rhos the people suffer is double oppression—they are taxed on the our hand by the Crown—they are subject to a monopoly on the other—and by both they are made to pay for this single article no leas than five millions of money above its value; yet not even here are they suffered to re►t, but at a time like this, a new and severe tax is sought to he placed upon them. %Vito that has con templated the decay of this eorristry for the last twenty • yew s, that does not see with bitterness and sorrow the slate to which she is now reduced. Notwithstand ing the increase of wages within that tone, be con tesided that the poor roan now enjoys less of the cs•mforte and of the hare eircesanrice of life than in 1793. There was no country to the world where at this moniesit the situation of the labouring poor was so stretched. where they enjoyed so tittle of the comforts of life. The cause was obvious. There was no country in the would where so much was taken from them.•—liiear. hear.)-I'n the entire system of inxiilion he expressed his decided nos tlity : lie said that if this were the past year of the l'orliatntait, he would not set those taxes put upon the heads of the people. Mr. CRENFELL said, be would ol•pnae the Bill, though nut ott the principle of the Noble Lord— not on the ground of a corrupt representaritto—he c fuse that was not his opinion. He would oppose the new lasts, becantte he considered that this was tint tl•e ttttt tit tit to introduce them—because he dial not Hunk that the preeent situation of the country enaldt-d the people to meet them. Mr. Gooch contended that the Malt Tam was introduced ■s is woe tits, and how it could be now kept on in a tune of profound peace, appeared very strange to him. He could only reconcile it by considering that war still existed—war against, the best interests of the canopy. They were add that the harden was trilling, but surely Ministers should rteollect that the people, particularly the fat turn, were tiltrady ground down by poor's rates, end taxes that tiley cars with difficulty discharge. When Gentlemen talk of a trifling burden, they should recollect tl►at a single pound mi the strongest animal, already ladrn to the ex trod of his strength, must bring hin► to the ground. He would oppr•se ti►e tax, became Ms considered it uppirsoive en die agricultural interest, the best marl most •aluable class of society its a free and moral country. Mr. Piticx said, he felt it his duty to oppose the tax. He could not forget that when Winters brought in the Property Tax, they had declared that the affairs of Glivertiment could not go on without it :-...they were defeated. hut they kept their places. and found means of meeting the expenses of the State. He would appale the new times, because they would impure burdens on the people at a moment of public distress. when they had not the means nor the inclination to submit to additional Lord EBRINGTOM could not bring to Wad a single circumstance which could justify fist hopssi lion of stew taxes in the present sesperreashed state of the country. except the dreadful itulasuity of an impending war. Ile therefore cordially ape• curled in the motion or Friend, mod was glad to have loch au 011)611844y is it wifordod, of . . t• k • • . ' . . . . esing his vote against the principle of the 8in...-. f Hear. hear. Lord COMPTON trite agreed with the Hon. Gentlemen op p osite, that the Property Tax. in a modified shape. would be the best made of recruit ing the finances of the country; but he thought this declaration came with an ill grace from the quarter which gave the most strenuous and effective opposition to the renewal of that very measure.— _fame, hear, /ram the Treasurys Benches.)- . -A direct tarislways fell on the bulk of the consitry— no indirect one fell generally in a disproportionate manner upon the tower orders. /I 4 --. —eta., hear.) — He would meet the Hon. Gentlemen opposite, so far as to state. that if they would undertake to vote with him for a modified Property Tax, he would agree to reject the proposed new taxes.—s(Henr, hear, frogs the Trealwry /Teethes./—lf they would not, he most lie compelled, in consequence of the exigencies of the Stale, to vote for these new taxes, which he did not think were to objectionable as s ttttt e persons Ornstein thein.—(Hear.) Lord A. 11.01 i I.Turt said, that the question wh:eil it became essential for the House to consider wits, not the amount which the Chancellor of the Exchequer may assert lie wanted, but the amount which the country wits in it capacity to pl.-. (Hear, hear.)—front wlist he saw of the state of the country, lie was confident that no excessive permanent revenue mild be drawn from the public in the present state of their burdeus. He could not, therefore, consent to a plan for attempting to lay on fresh taxes in the grinding , distress in which the people lay. The time. as well as the mode. was, he thought. peculiatly unfavourable. Know. log as he did the tenacity of the Night Hon. Gen tleman to retain such taxes as the House confided to him, he had the strongest aversion to acid to their number. IVlnst was the Right Hon. Gentle man's motive for continuing dr Lottery Tax ? Ile said it *Na because he bail i ns other way of ritisitig the same amount of money for the public service. But now it seemed lie had discovered fresh sources of revenue—but tlisiy were of a kind which the public were utterly unable to endure. The House hail had documents before it to shew the distresses of the people. The Petitions from Carlisle owl other manufacturing towns were decisive of that fact ; the agricultural Petitions were also u proof of what that branch of the com munity had suffered. A part of the proposed-plan was to augment what was called the sinking fund. Now the former sinking fund. so far from operating beneficially for the public in a reduction of their debt, hail only administered to the Minister the means of expenditure, rather than the means of reduction. In objecting to the proposed taxes, he begged not to be understood as on that account objecting to trisetion altogether, and respecting the molt tax in particular, lie thought it • molt ioju dicinus one—he should rather see duties affixed to distilled spirits, it would be much better for the month and productive industry of the people. This attempt to lay on new taxes was besides as directly at variance with the promises and pkdges 1 of the Right Him. Gentleman opposite, as it car• tundy wad with the prosperity and permanent re sources of the country. _ _ .. Mr. Colts Paid, that the ultimate effect of this fresh project for taxation. must be, that the greater part of the amount would be drawn from the poor's rates. For Ina part he should oppose altogether the stew taxes. Ile was it very old Member of that House, and had 1011 1 4 been in the habit of Peeing the profligate expenditure of the Minister when ever he could get motley from the pockets of the people. At present lie would go further, he would assert that this Was a corrupt Howse of Com mon', from which on gond was to he expected— (Crier of Ortler."')—front which the country could receive nn salvation. Look at the mo tion the other day on the state of the nation. The Minister on that occasion summoned his troops. and got it triumphant majority. It war j , .ke to state that the same feeling could he round to prevail out of doors. They must be aware, and must feel. that the country was not in a condition to hear those grievous burdens. Fran, what he saw of this Parliament lie hoped the day was not far tiff whets the country would have the beilefit of triennial Parli florists, there then would be a greater assimilatino of their sentiments to those of their coustitutents. If it were at the end instead of the begitming of even a septennial Session, persons would not be found to support such n project as this ; they would not attempt to do it its the face of their constituents. He had always observed, that at the end of a Parliament Member! behaved a great tkai better than they dill at the be -t intiing.—(llefir.)—ln the begi 111 l Mg they were gone Indifferent, but lie trusted that a reform of Parliatiteut would he pressed as the most effectual step *hid' could counteract the evils that now pre vailed.—(llene.) Mr. Gnocit wished to explain the vote he meant to give. It wits slot his intention to vote against all taxes, for he kitew that the country could snit go on without them. His objection merely went to o'l particular tax he had animadverted upon. Lord Nlsurna said, the lion. Member would then merely vote against one tux, because it af fected a particular interest in which he was con trrorsl, while he would have sio objection to vote for 'mother that might, perlrips, be equally inju rious to the community. lie hail, in fact, one VOIC for Admitsistostion, and another for his con stituents. Mr. Gooch complained, that the Noble Lord had no right whatever In impute to him any motives for his vote, except that it 'estimated from the best of his judgment mill understanding.— neer.] Lord MILTON disclaimed imputing any unfair motives to the Hon. Gentleman fur his vote—he had merely stated that he had nue vote for an Ad ministration to which he hail no doubt he was hi,. estimably attached, coil another for his constituents against the malt tax, winch would affect them its particular. He (Lard M.) confessed, that ermine,' a war a, that in which the country hurl hero re long engaged, it was utteily impossible stud great cool difficulties should not esivi; hut the principal, difficulty of all was, how to get at a particular lax. Honourable Clentleuseis were ready enough to vote fur testa iis the main, hut when the particulars were diaelosied. then they were equally ready to shake them From any pressure upon their isome. dime interests. As to the prevent taxes proposed, its the whole range of them be had 'virally seen one which he arooglst could lave 114 geutrill coucur ..• . " I recce or the country. Taxes upon luxuries, i•. seemed, were curried as far as they could, and now it seemed the Minister was about to adopt a plan, the effect of which would be, perhaps, to increase the revenue, but certainly to diminish the moor( el of the country. Every order of the community was pressed on to an excessive degree, and it the higher orders were obliged in many cases to reduce their establishments, it was not hecause they were unwitting to bear a full portion of the public burdens, but because they were utterly ur • able to meet the demands made upon them. Tits , object of the new plan was to create, or rather to augment what was called on efficient sinking fund ; now he thought it would be much better, instead if tearing 3,000,0001. from the pockets of un tor ',overstated people, to !tea, it where'll. now was, at their own disposol. fructifying with their own in dustry, and itieteud of being sunk by the State to accumulate by compound interest, rather accu mulating in the general channels of reproductive industry, where its augmentation would far ex ceed the compound interest which it could acquire in any other shape.—( Hear, hear.)—He was there fore decidedly agaiust the proposition for new taxes. —(Heer.) Mr. T. WiLson said. that In spite of the taunts of Gentlemen opposite, he had no hesitation in avowing that he we, ready to vote for an amount of three millions of new taxes. He voted for this sum that the country should be put in a coudition, in time of peace, to meet with advantage sly enemy (if snch should ever arise) who may dare to trample upon it.—(Hear, hear, hear.) — The object of the proposed measure was, to bring the sinking fund op to a certain point. He con tended that the sinking found ought to be esta blished at 5,000,0001., and that it then could not with safety he touched. He regretted the con. flicting opinions of the country respecting the proposed new taxes, and he concurred in think. log, that a modified Property Tax would have been the most expedient and effective course to have taken—he meant such a Property Tax as would he laid upon all classes who were in a condition to pay it. If the House were ready to concur in such a tax as that, he was willing to admit it would place the country in a safe and proper attitude. 11 not, he must only concur in such taxes as he thought the necessities of the country required.—(Hear./ Alderman W AITIIM ate renewed his protest against this attempt to add new burdens to the de pressed t re te nt r d op fr le om of athilegcuouurinterrys. against Pet i a r id r o ess ini anda s i t bee a t t a e xes. and yet the Minister did not hesi tate to propose them. The City of London had petitioned against them, and be entirely concurred in the prayer of their Petition. .He should never consent to new taxes before a rigid inquiry wes in. stituted into the national expenditure.—(Hear.)-- It was extraordinary that the Chancellor of the Exchequer should still continue wider the delu sion that the bulk of the people were in a capacity to bear three millions of fresh taxes. The Right Hon. Gentleman had indeed said, that two mil lions of the amount would not be felt by the peo ple. This was not the least of his delusions. How could he suppose that the poor would not feel the effect of his new malt duties ? They would not only feel it, but almost exclusively bear it, for they were the chief (nearly the sole) consumers— the rich had generally abandoned the use of malt liquors. The Right Hon. Gentleman stated that the tax would fall on the brewers; they said the contrary, and it was clear, therefore, on whom it would fall. He hail within the last two years heard repeated motions for reduction of expenditure: there was, to be sure, a concluding Resolution in the Finance Resolutions, pledging the Government to economy. Let the Right Hon. Gentleman begin to act upon his last Resolution first, awl then let the Haase see. after his system of retrenchment, what steps he had taken with sincerity, and then let the public tee whether new taxes were neer,- sary.—(Hear.)—There was now si surplus of 2,000,0001. over and shove the expenditure of the country. Why then cripple the interests of the country by new imposts tot he amount of 3,000,000/. an extent of burden which the people were, he re peated, in no condition to bear? Such was the opinion of his constituents, and in that opinion he entirely concurred.—( Hear.) Mr. Wit. LAMB begged briefly to explain the vote he meant to give on this occasion. He ad mitted the necessity of retrieving the financial state of the country. when it appeared that even with a surplus of 2.000,0001. above the expenditure. the Chancellor of the Exchequer was still unable to pledge himself to the monthly payments desired by the Bank. This was riot a flattering state of things; but when he looked hack for a century, he saw that this situation of things was not without a pre cedent—the same result had happened at the end of former wars. This counts) , had indeed carried on her wars on a different plan from that of many other States—her system had uniformly been one of bor rowing to meet her expenditure—a system which, if ever the country were engaged iu a new war. would, lie trusted, be departed from.—( Hear.) — The present state of the country was not without a precedent. The war of the Succession, a century ago. left the country in great emberrassment, 110 did the American war; but he recollected, at least from what he had read of those times, that a difs ferent course was then taken by political parties front that pursued at present. Even at the dose of the American war, in the midst of the political bitterness which then prevailed, Mr. Fox, with all that constitutional distrwst of Ministers for winch la; was so remarkable, did not oppose the new tasty (mare one or two) iiitroduced by Mr. Pitt in 1785, nor did lie 179 t ; he then declared that whuever was Minister, it was essential that the resources of 114 country should be upheld._.( Hear, hear, from the Tre as ury Beaches.) —This example he (Mr. Lamb) should be noxious to follow, if lie could see any similarity between the present and former state of the country. The present di/trews of the people were very great, and the new taxes were on articles of general use. Ac a general principle, he did not object to taxes on such articles, but it was obvious that their tendency must either he to localise the price of the article, or to reduce ite quality by Ant teration. Either effect would be most injurious to the poor. who are the general COMISMIM of such articles. Besides. the feelings of the lower classes should be consulted as much as possible in taxes affecting them ; for every sort of exaggeration and diacoir. tent must follow the imposition aura burdens of . 1 , •