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Irma the kingdom, and that in no case any re. ferenee been made to 11w desire of any foreign Go. "eminent. There therefore existed Ito ground fur stating that the renewal of the measure was de.. sounded for inch reasons. The present wet not the peeper period for disclaiming the grounds on which arliament, two years ago, had been induced to sanction the measure. The right of excluding, it should be understood, belonged to the Crown by common law ; the Alien Act, merely gave a more enosinary way of carrying that right into rarer- Hut it was impassible us deny, that in the present state of Europe touch regard ~,nust be bad in the policy of one State towards what was doing iu another'; and if there existyd'iti l attother Government a right of excluding certain den gerous characters, who were thereby. Pored into the siirroondiug States, would it he .i.e to let this country remain unprotected by a coon tervailing measure ? The Noble Earl denied that this country had ever interfered iu the interne) aft irk 'of another State, so tie in by dinnpr'to allert its d! , 'livi or comp/waist, its inaePenditice. The Noble Lord, he obienva, hati n vpoltey but justly of the character or the present King of the . Nether lends, bat he would add, that it was the voice of his people had called him beet, afld had invested hiM with the title he enjoyed. The onion of and the Netherlands was not a question then fur disetniion, but should it ever come before their 'Lordships, he traded. without controverting the high authorities prodliced by the Noble Lord, whose opinions ire*, uo doubt, all very correct in reference to the times in which thej wee uttered. he 'should be enabled toshew tw a t the interests both of Holland and thp Netherlands roistered such a titeartire neeessary. If, howevei, the Noble Lord fancied that the dfsposition or loyalty of the people had been in the slightest degree affected by the union. he was very mach mistaketi, for there was 1101 a country in Europe irbere the people were insure attached to their bovereign than iu the Nether land.. After the removal of the iron yoke which bid weighed down Europe, the People of that *sentry had now the esloyment of an excellent Constitution, materially improved by acts Which . retold not have been ilie result of any foreign in.. %armee. The Noble Lora hid spoken of the former policy of this country and of Holland, in redpect o the admission Of strangers"; bat he (Lord Liverpool) wOuld . say it for 'Great Britoil' sod fee a • country to which, isext to his own. he Fee * pt at tached of any in Europe, that their polity MO IR WW . respect altered ; they each still held their, dims been to the foreigner who came in tilt optiiness of rriendship, or alto sought for shelter from state or religious perseratiou. Out in offering hsOsOfalifyi lives there no difference to be held between the ine titorious or the evil-disposed ?--Or could it be sup limed that the State, like individuals. had no power of shutting its doori agaipal ill , incendiary and the robber ? The Priuciple of reasoning foreign ere by the sole power of the Criniii lid bees already frequently recognised by solemn treaties. whereby States, and this State among others.had engaged to deliver up individuals. The hoble Lord seemed to him to have made out no case to justify, the mu lion ; he should therefore give it his negative. The karl of CAllNinton couceived that the rea sons presented by the Dloble Earl opposite Liver. pool) did not _justify the proposed, measure of the Alien Bill. If his argutitents, founded on a uer. ceasity arising from the policy of other countries, bid any force, it should have the effect of coufidiog to Moisten, not I teinporary power, but of arming them with a poen' and perpetual authoritY.— (Hears hat.) Lord Hou.ain briefly replied, observing that. when the Alien Bill came before their Lordships, he should, he trusted, be' enabled to shew that the tomer, was extremely inhospitable, and inconsistent with the character of the country. The Noble Lord had seemed to think that he had iepresented the people of Holland as discontented with their Go iernment. The fact, lie was convinced; was emu tinily the 'Contrary; and he believed that no people had a better right to be contented With their Cots 't H e a r .) The motion was put and negatived withbut a The Houk then adjourned. MOUSE OF COMMONS, Tunnel?, MAe 14. WATER COMPANIES. Sir lltrtts Osumi presented a Petition from certaie Inhabitaate of Ike Parish of St. Mary-labour, against the Bill new prfilias for supplying the tigrish with water by • parochial arriugemest. lie thuright the plea proposed was one of the, gilded width ever mitered tutu the brad of rusea, and he bad in. his mideavoisred to make tae parishioners tbi.k so: for from what be had sees of the priseipais of the Water Companies ; he was persuaded they were °ow ready to afford water at a very them!) rah, at indeed a pewit of 41. per test. This he thought fair aad reasonable, and that the plan of the pariah to interfere with it was most injadi eine s Mr. Portia* said, he had reason to believe the Bill pro potted by the parishioners would be withdrawn in the coarse of the Senior,. Mr. Pend Wane ahjected to the Bill on principle, and ha he amid not tolerate this Saone of parochial jabbing, uk soy arrauneweent of this hied in • ptivale vestry, to tax the whole parish. General Tioilotros said the town was at the mercy albs Water Composite for the supply of water; they now re. quired IL per real. more ha the shape of profit than on former occasions, Mr. HARVILT tbosght the rivalry of the Water Compromise led to a variety of seeful improvements is the mode of sup plying water. The Petitios was laid en the table s Sir Jamas (Allan presented Petitions (rota the Proprie tors of the Chelsea anti West Nidollosex Water Works, Against the same Bill. The worthy Baronet said the pro pel. tors premed actuated by i proper seem of duty. and so lotte es be found thew so be was &serve to as/ ones-km.6e 1.. their trade. These Petitions , vere laid ow the table. 51r. UUNDAT pralealed a Pelliioll rival tilt COIIO.I-010. werA of Derby, against any additional duty ou tbvir trade,— Laid on the Unite. Mr. et.acantiitie prevented a Petition finose the Mann facturers sit Woulleila, in Poiellitali, la Lnacaslslre, in favour of a repeal of the Wool Howe He oleo preseosed • Petition from the Dyers in the same plAre. 114larl lbe duty on Rape Oil. %The Petitions were laid on the table. Mt. Peel. presented Ateennta of the Expenses of building Glib.. Hotta.' iii Ireland.—Laid on the bible. Sir 11. PAILMItt.t. brought In the Hol)head Road Bill, whirli was read a first time, and ordered for • second reading hu Monday. Mr. 11'. Dunn*, presented a Petitiou from the Royal Col lege of Surgrostas ui Mduihurkh, ou the subj. ct of a Bull Oita lo fore tie Fiuilie fur the regulation of their Profession.— Ordeital to lie on She table. COPYRIGHT. Mr. MIL•t presented n Petition free the &roads ACII. consequence of the flagrant mid _ those spies and informers who had excited so much corismotion and niischief in several parts of the eunistry.. Those two documents thtew a great light 'on the system of the spies alluded to, and they were *veiled by affidavit before the Mayor of Phi. ledelphin, and certified to the English Consul in that city. One of the affidavits was by a person, named Williams Stevens, and the other by Charles Kendal; they both its a clear and perspicuous man. ner pointed out the acts of spies, particularly of Oliver, within their own immediate observation.— The statements made by these persons were such as he was convinced the House would feel the import ance and necessity of immediately referring to a Committee for Inquiry. Mr. Cobbett's Petition was the most respectful in its feria and terms which he (Lord Cochrane) had ever had the honour of preseutiag to the House.—(A laugh free the Treetwry Beitches.j—The Petitioner moat earnestly mud respectfully prayed, that the House would take ions its most serious consideration the ac companying documents to which the Petitioner alluded. Ou the question that the Petition be brought up, The Senses& said, that the appendix or davits alluded to by the Noble Lord could not be received by the House.—( Hear, hear.)—The Peti. Lion certainly might be brought up in the usual manner, but it was for the Noble Lord to consider, whether any purpose would be answered by having a Petition read. which referred to documents that could not be received in the manner intended by the Petitioner.—(lleer.) . Lad COCHIRAMB replied, that he was not aware be had said the papers were annexed to the Petition. though they certainly accotnpattietl it. He thought the Petition in itself contained matter fit to be sub pi hied to the House. He bhuuld, therefore, move, that it be brought up. The Petition was accordingly brought up, and mod at the table. It set forth that the Petitioner, William Cobbett, late of Botley. near Southamp tou. in England, and now of Long blend, near New York. thought proper to state to that Ho nourable House a communication which he lately had with two indirkduals who had left England some time ago, and who knew the character and machinations of the spy Oliver, and others of Isis description. The Petitioner stated he felt it im possible to address the Heuer, but with respect and veneration—(A lwmgh from Ms Treasury Benches/—or to approach that far-famed sanctuary of the law, and entreat it to listen to the annested documents. without the utmost humility. The Petitioner then reviewed the acts of Administration for suspending the liberties of the subject. and alluded iu indignant terms to the trials at Derby, where ten lawyers were paid by the people to pro ',cute the prisoners, and only two appointed to manage their defence. To one of these (Mr. Cross), the Petitterser applied some very pointed terms, for his 'conduct in the defence—and after tracing the distarbances of the country to the machinations of hired spirit, and commenting very freely upon the conduct of Colonel Fletcher, at Manclieste_ ! r . the Petitioner concluded with praying that the House would retrace its steps, and inquire into the origin of the events which led Brandreth and his cum. pasiioas to the block. On the question that the Petition do lie on the table. Mr. BITHUBST rose, and said he apprehended it was impossible to conceive that the House could receire this informal Petition.—( Hear, hear.)— So far as he could collect the object of the Peti tioner, it was not to call the attention of the House to any specific grivance of his own, but to that of other individuals. who might, if they pleased, sub. Mit their complaints directly from themselves in the usual way. --( Hear.)—lf they had any abuse to cousplain of they could do it by a direct Peti tion, and not by documents annexed to that of an• other. Now as to the time at which these indivi duals left the country, and the motive which led to their exile, all that lie should say was this—that one of them went away a considerable time before the coercive Act. alluded to were introduced, and the other some time after. But besides the informality in the Petition, he had also another and a stronger objection to its reception, namely, that it vista made the vehicle of it libel on the judgment and talents of Mr. Cross, who had assisted in conducting the defence* at Derby, and also on a thobt worthy Magistrate, Colonel Fletcher.—(/ liar, hear.) — Under such circumstances, he molly hoped the Noble Lord would see the propriety ofwithdreiving the Petition, without any further diiciisiiod upou the subject. —( /fear.) Lord COCIIIIANE said, that his motive in pre the Petition was to lay before the House the very impatient matter which it contained and allud. eel to. Ile particularly wished to have the docu. meats accompanying the Petition read, as they re lated, iii ad extraordinary end explicit manner, to the cuieduct of a spy of whom su much had been said unit So little dune. As it appeared, however, that the course lie proposed was informal, lee had no objection to wiihdreitv the Petition, nut with any view of immediately preeentiog another, hut for the purpose of informing the individuals of the for. mat Course. by distinct Petitithis ' to which they tneM treat to get al the mar the House. Mr. Winn whetted to know whether. if the Pe tition were withdrawn after bricg read at the liable, the Journals woitld contain any record of its con tents ? Th'e &atter being so objectionable, he thought no recuht of it ilsould be suffered ou their Jotirsidl•. The SPEAREE laid, the fret of the PeCtion being withdrawn most be untied nn their JOUrtlo 4 . But he apprehended a t notice would be * suM. Clew record that the Petttion *as withdrawn by colorist Or the Huns... Mr. Wynn said, that I►h Would most strongly object to ,iich charger as the Pet►tion contained egano.t should 1 r.icorrical on the Jour. nal, of ti►t Hume, witheat the partite btiviog ei.het ~~,~ Z ~ ~ the power of defending themselves, or proving the filsehood of the charge—(lkar.) The Petition was then withdrawn. • THE IBRITISIII MIY/WATNI. •. Mr. DANSE' promoted a residua teem the Tina tees of the British Museum, suiting the inadequacy of their funds for the support of the Establishment, and praying for an odditional grant. joord CASTIAILBAGIi, on the port of the Crown, had no objection to the reception of the Petition. The Position was laid on the table. On the motion of Mr. BANKES, Accomits were ordered of the Income and Expenditure of the Uii tish Museum during- the year 1817, awl ni.o of the whew fur the year 1318—together with the return of the number of visitors for each of the lest seven years. The How. Member stated, that the lest return woold chew the vast incre a se of visitors during the last year. SCOTCR COMMISSARY COURTS. Lord A. HAMILTON rose to make his promised motion, for copies of the correspondence which took place between the Home Department and the Commissioners appointed to inquire into the Com missary Courts of Scotland, their fees, clerks sede r" Ser. His motion principally involved two point.: one related to economy, which was here neglected—and another, to the freedom of election in the county of Lanark. The commission to which lie chiefly alluded was that touched upon in the third Report, and which related to the inferior Commissary Courts, and their clerks. The House would be surprised to learn that the Commissioners were appointed four years ago ; had made four Re ports; ssid yet, strange as it would seem, not a single step had been taken to give effect to their re commembitions, though at one time a Bill had been actually prepared for that purpose. The third Report contained a recommendation for the aholi tints of the Commis s ary Courts, and of the Com missary Clerks ; and yet, nothing was dune. In a former Report, a " •Itir recommendation was made, and left equally unnoticed. A representa tion was also disregarded of not filling up VISCiIIN cies in these departments during the inquiry. The preamble of that Bill set forth what was stated in the Report, namely, " that the inferior Coin minor, Courts of Scotland should be abolished— and that certain minimisation, should be made to those who held offices therein—shut that such alte ration could not be row& but by the 'authority of Parliament;" arid the Bill then went on to enact, that " the said abolition should be effeeted."— That measure had proceeded through the House of Commons, but was lost in the Lords—and, from that time, until the present commission was issued, the subject had remained unnoticed. Pending the proceedings of the existing commission, the si tuation of Clerk of the Commissary Court at Dumfries, was granted for three years to a Gen tleman, as an iNterise appointment, by the Court of Session ; but, when it was feared that the aboli tion of the office would be recommended, it was suede an appointment for life, by Government. Why was this done, if it were not for the purpose of influencing parliamentary elections ? He should call for papers intimately connected with the subject--and he could conceive no reason for withholding them, except that the busi ness was wok to bear the light. The system of grantiug offices of almost every description was made subservient to electioneering purposes in Scotland. At Glasgow, the best mode of getting a situation in the Excise, was to procure a petition, signed by a number of electors, and addressed to the Right Hon. Geutleman opposite (Mr. W. Duudas), which was rarely found to fail in effect ing that object. The Noble Lord then animad verted, in strong terms, on the conduct of his Ma jesty's Government, in having made an appointment for life to the situation of Commissary, a previous interims appointment having been made by the Court of Session. In consequence of that act, compensation would now be called for, which. un der other circumstances, could not have been de- inunded. If what he stated were incorrect, it could easily be contradicted ; but he believed they would not be able to remove the fact, that ten of the Commissioners had stated to Viscount Sid mouth, that it was intended to abolish the Coo• inissary Courts—end, consequently, that, when he tilled up the office, he was not ignorant of the step about to be taken. The Noble Lord concluded by moving— " That au hamble Address be presented is the Prince Regent, praying that he will be graciously pleased to Aired that there be laid before the House, a Copy of any Letter, or the Substance of any Communication made by the Com missloisers appointed to iuquire into the duties and emu's theists of the Principals and Clerks of the Courts of Justice in Scollaud, or say use of them, relative to the ioexpediency of ailing up Oakes in lbs Comnsissary Courts." . Mr. BATHUIIST said. it appeared to him. than nothing which the Noble Lord had stated, formed • su4ciead ground foe producing the correspond= once alluded to. for ergumentmake, that ▪ CorreopOodeciCe existed. Ti. Noble Lord; in the Grit place, blamed his Majesty's Ministers foe not having taken measures to carry into effect the recommendations of the C•toatissiowers of Inquiry. This could only he done by a legal enact►nent; and any other individuals were as competent to introduce ouch • measure as his Majesty's Mi nisters. The Noble Lord. through the whole of his speech, thought proper to attack an i►►dividual most unjustly, and he should not, on that point, expatiate at all. The Noble Lord had stated trhly, that a Gentleman had been appointed to a situation which the Commissioners wished not to be filled up—hut it was easy to eiplain the cireum• stance. Those Commissary Courts, he understood, were similar to our minor Ecclesiastical Courts. —ln them inilividdals were obliged to look fur probates of wills—and, as hr haul been in formed, the business of those Courts clth!, not be carried on without • principal and his clerk. The Courts Were. therrforei of great Importance to Scotland—and the Court of Session; kwowiag that the business could obi be carried on w►thnut a clerk, lied appointed one. ad Interim, in a parti cular im►trpce. The liersinia. however, who hail made this appointment. were iibt those is whom the patronage really exis►ed---and ©uetr►ment were still rosaessed or time power to alter it. It was very true that a Bill lied been introduced to abolish these Course. But they were conasdered to he es aenti4lly necessary—and neither that, our a mra. ' lure subseiluently intruducedi wee mit:boned by • • ! ?:\ . • . „ the Legislature. Evidenlit, it woo that those Court. sl Id exist until liartionient iuytl toted some other tootle of transacting tlir 1)114 . 11w:4a miw performed by them. How then stood the or- Onsesit or the Noble Lord, that .t he Court of inoii had a right to algniiut to these offiee•, ad id. ferias ? tits ad interim might be for ever—wive Parliament might deem it necessary to pro.tile any other means for the transaction of Ilse nes.. The Noble Lord had made a charge of cur. ruption against those who granted the appointment. Rot why did he not found it on something to lie discovered in the ,returns. iit mere suiertion , ? Ile could assum the Nuhle Lord that the communications of the Cuiuinistionera dealt in generalities, and did not bear out the insinuations which lie had thrown out. Nu statement had been made that the persoo now aging the situation was unlit for it, which he conceived to he a material point. The Noble Lord's argument went to this, that it was improper in Government to make the appointment in question, because, if the Com missary Courts were abolished, it would he neces sary to purchase the right of the individual iii office. But answer to that, lie tirg 4 eit to. observe, that the appointment could nut legally be made in any other way—iiiiit that it was necessary to the domestic police of Scotland, was most. evident, when tlwy considered the prin ciples on which the Commissary Courts proceeded. In conclusion, he begged leave to mote, that there was no such paper as the Noble Lord moved for— That was a sufficient answer to the motion—bolt lie wished chiefly to rest Lie opposition tin principle. Sir J. Ngwroax said, that since the Commission was formed, contrary to the will of !Ministers. the public did not. appear to him to !Live been bully dealt with. They hail it right to complain Ii 4t the suggestions of the Cointuissioners had not beau carried into effect, He believed that those Gen tlemen had performed their duty most conscien tiously--and, from the high respectability of their character. the greateit attention ought to be paid to every reeontruenclition coming from them. The Right Hon. Gentleman bad stated, that his Majes ty's Ministers had no more right, than ally other individuals in that House, to carry the. suggestions of the Commissioners into of it was a mat ter that might be taken up by any person. But, on a former occasion, when an attempt was made by persons not in administration, to render effective certain recommendations of the CommiOoners, they were told that it ought to be left to Ministers alone to carry them into execution. _ If this were the manner in which suggeatious of reform were to be met, Commissions of Inquiry might he considered as wholly useless. With respect to the appoint ment in question, he conceived it exceedingly wrong, pendiag a Parliamentary inquiry, to fill up an office, permanently, the abolition of which was con. templated. Mr. W. DUNDAS said, the Report alluded to had been printed only in February last, and, there fore, Government could not he blamed for nut hay ing acted on it. With respect to the office, it was most properly filled up. The reason was obvious. Ten years ago, a Bill was introduced for the aboli tion of those Courts, which was lost. He would ask s then, had Government acted unjustly, in ap pointing to the office, that Bill being thrown out by the Legislature- and when it was quite.inicer- Min at what time any Act would be passed ou the subject I The Report, it should be observed, did not relate only to the removing of these offices—it embraced a great variety of intricate subjects, which were all to be considered. A. to the observations which the Noble Lord. had mode on the appoint ments in Scotland being,. rendered subservient to electioneering purposes, they were wholly ground.' less. Mr. J. P. GRANT was of opinion that Milliliters ought' not to have iniirtf i itp appointment to this office, while a Board' a Commissioners were en gaged in inquiry. • • They should have waited till Parliament hod conic so a decision ou the subject --and it was quite clear to him that a person hail been appointed to the situation, for the purpose of entitling him to compensation at the end of u twelvemonth (when probably those i.ffiees would he abolished), to which, Wilk!' other •circuinstatices, her-wad Lira 11•44449 claim whatever. Mr. IL Cr.sve was rk ci/Anion that the appoint mem was perfectly just. The Report was made oat . the ort7th ofJutie --and theihdivid wit was appointed' by Lord Sidmonth in the mouth of March pre eeding..—R9 that hia Lord.huip must have been igtio rant of the intesitiens of the Commissioners with respect to those offices. Lord A, fltaittioe, in reply, Observed, that his arguments applied, not to nee wirsfe. but its The Report recommended the abolition of ti Commissaries and 513, Clerkis...whons fioter 1111 l eon, acting on the principle they lied adopted in this instance, would have the power of continuing. The motion was then negatived without a di vision. , • • • . - . - . -1 7, 0 +11, I , from the kingdom, and that in no case had any re. deloteus of the College of Altera', I ferenee been made to the desire of say foreign Go- trr.:lll" be made is she Ce PP IIII "transept. There therefore existed no ground fur i P n ' PETITION' Fgoll MI stating that the renewal of the measure wee de. i 1 . ,„,d cocusAwit rase to p Mantled for much reasons. The present wail not the ! which he' oat eeriest iy "Ilk proper period for discussing the grounds on which ! e1 au „,,.., e a „„ ja * Ow a m e t Parliament, two years ago, had been induced to I who some tithe ego *kilt to An sanction the measure. The right of excluding, it I o f t h rixerc i m A rt , t h,„ ea , should be understood, belnnged to the Crown by '. vernmeut ; unit in this Petal , common law ; the Alien Act• merely love a more I documents from individuals in imports!) , way of carrying that right into torren- t: i cunsiequence or the flagrant • R tisti; But it was impassible I. deny, tha t iii the I those spite and informers who i prevent stilt, of Europe touch regard ~psust. be comaiket i o , an d ni i„hi r r i„ 1 boa in the policy of one State tewellis what was eunotry.. Thee* two &armee doing iii another'; and if there exiiterriii l aliother . 'On the system of the spies m Government a right of excluding certru den- were tailed by affidavit befo . . gerous characters, who were thereby. face etito i lagelphia ; and ceitified to ti the surrounding States, would it he oloe to t that city. One of the ailidevi let this country It• main gingerotecle4 by .it coon- ~,,,,,,e d ‘v i lli aes Stevens, and tervailing measure ? The Noble Earl denied that Kendal; they both its a clear a this country had ever interfered iu the intermi), aff.liet ner pointed out the acts of 'of knottier State, so ris in bey dinnpr'to effect ite Oliver, within their own imam elignity or compeotnise its indekorl_encr. The The statements made by these • Noble Lord, he obterNred, hattepoltee but justly or he was convinced the House w the character of the present Xing of the, Nether- ante an d utens i l o f i ume d „ . 'lends, bat he would add, that it was the voice of Committee for Inquiry. Mt i his people had called him boa, aid had invested was the stoat respectful in its I him with the title he enjoyed. The union of he (Lord Cochrane) had gal naniall end the Netherlands was not a 'question prearutiug to the House.— .1 . theta fur discusiion, but should it ever come before r egular , Be N ehee.)—The Pet ,i t s 'their 'Lordships, he treated, without cootroverting and respectfully prayed, the the highs authorities prodoced by the Noble Lord, take Tutu its most serious c whine opinions ire*, uo dobbt, all very, correct in componying documents to a reference to the tithes in which the/ :mere uttered. alluded. 1.. be ',hada be enabled to shew tact the interests butts I Ou the questiou that the Pe of flatland and I'd tho Netherlands reodared such I 'Fbe spiAliEs said, that ti is neemetre neeeesary. 'lf, hoirevei, the Noble Lord davits alluded to by the Nob : fancied that the drapositien or loyalty of the people re ce i ve d by th e H ouse .—( H en had been in the slightest degree affected by the tie.' certainly might be brow union. he was very mach mistakesi, for there was rummer, but it was for the No trot a country in Europe itiare the people were whether any purpose would bi ! .1 ensure attached to their sovereign then iu the Nether- . a P e ti t i on rea d. which refers labile. After the removal of the iron yoke which could not be received in the kbits' weighed down Europe. the people of that the Prtitioner.—( neer.) ientitry had now the eu)oyment of an excellent . Lad COCURAIIII replied, t Constitution, materially unproved by acts which : he had said the papers were am could not have been the result of any foreign in• though they certainly accompt I. %twice. The Noble Lord hid spoken of the former . ,witted Petition in itself contained policy of this country and of Reflood, in reipectls pitted to the House. He shu ! the admission Of strangers': but he (Lordaverphol) that it be brought up. 1 would 'say it for 'Great Britsio and fir lead, a • the Petition was acca mi„ criantry to which, next tri his own. he wes_ frd • .7' read at the table. It set fnrtl tached of any in Europe, that their policy hid itt op 'to„, c a hh au, late o f B ut . respect altered ; they each still held their, deers . in E sig i an d , an d now a been to the foreigner who came in then °mutes of New York. thought proper i , . rriendship, or who sought for shelter from state or namable House • camomile religious persecatiou. But in offering liftst4falify, ' had with two itsdivkduals eh . . teu there no difference to be held between the use- some time ago, and who km titorious or the evil-disposed ?--Or could it be sone . machinations of the spy Olive (unused that the State, like itidividwilles had tat description. The Petitioner power of shutting its doorsigakial the incendiary p oss ibl e t o a dd ress t h e H oui .• cud the robber ? The Priucipleor retnOving fereign- an d 'attrit i on — lif lumg4 . , • ere by the sole power of the Criiiiii hid beat already Beaches)—or to approach that 7 I frequently recognised by solemn treaties. whereby of the law, and entreat it to States. and this State among others. bad engaged to deliver up individuals. The hoble Lord seemed documents. without the alit Petitioner theu reviewed the as . t , to him to have made out no case to Jitstily, the mu. , f a r suspending the liberties tie', ; he should therefore give it his negative. alluded iu indignant terms to The Earl of CAZWiItVOIII couceived that the ref- where ten lawyers were paid Ii i t sons presented by the Dloble Earl opposite (Livers ',cute the prisoners, and on P pool) did not justify the proposed measure of the mange their defame. To one i I Alien Bill. f his argutitents, foituded or! a eta. the Prediseer applied some ye ii cessity arising from the policy of other countries, his conduct i n the defence—s t ' ,. had any force, it should have the effect of coufidiall disterbances of the country tr to Ministers, not A teinporary power, but of arming hi re d spi e s, an d commenting them with a general and perpetual authority.--. amshict of Colonel Fletcher, (Hear. bar.) , Petitioner concluded with pet Lord ROLLAND briefly replied, awning that, would retrace its steps, and in when the Alien Bill come before their LordshiPts, he of this events which led Bras should, he trusted, be . enabled to chew that the pos t ioos to th e bl oc k. measure was ettremely inhospitabk, and inconsistent O ti th e quest i on t h at t h e I i with the character of the country. The Noble Lord table. had seemed ten think that he had to d the Mr. BITNURST roar. and is • people of' Holland as discontented with their Go- was impossible to conceive thi CertiMent. The fact, lie was convinced; was eseeu- receiie this informal Petitirs tally the bilitr.uy; and he believed that ito people 90 far as he could t collect th th hail a better right to be contented with their Cott- li stitistsom—'t Hea r .) mier, it was ooho call the a to any specific grivance or his The motion was put and negatived withbut a other individuals, who might, diiirinn. niit their complaints directly The Houk then adjourned. the atm' way. —(Hear.)- 1I MOUSE OF COMMONS, Toottaolt, MAT 14. to complain of they could do —.:. tion and not by documents au WATER COMPANIES. oth er. Now as to the time 1 Kr iluai Ilammite mauled a Petitioe from eertaie duals left the country, awl t h e .11 ' Inhabinnits of the Parish uf St. Idery.le-boor, spina thy Bill atm math* foe aupplyire the tigrish with wore by • their exile, all that lie should a p aroc hi a l e m ernotett . m e d ew ed the plea proposed w e e of them went away a conside , • • . one of she Wildest which ever warred %to the head of wean, coercive Acts alluded to were . and he be.' in. ran t esdesvoisred to make ills parishioners other some time after. But be.] . i thiuk so: for from what be bad area of tba priseipais of the the p etition. he had also ass . tomer Companies, he was persuaded they were no* ready ho _, . . )1 .. P * a ff or d water at a very !heap rah, at indeed i pewit of 41. ash to its rece tion " 111 per teat. This he thought fair sad reasonable, and that the vehicle of it libel on the h . , the plasm of the parish to interfere with it was Most iejedi- of Mr. Cross, who had assiat, elms. defence* at Derby, and ale • Mr. Portia* said, he had reason to believe the Bill pro- -- Magistrate, Colonel Fletche posed by the parlidliusers would be withdrawn its the coarse of the Seaton. Under such circumstance's, Mr. Faint Woos objected to the Bill out principle, and Noble Lord would see the pro I its he could not tolerate this worse of parochial jobbing, of the Petition, without any fun ally aernageoseat of this tied is a titivate woory, to lax the the subject. —t ifear.) . t whole palish. General Tioikorox said she town wan at the mercy of the Lord Cocrlaslig said. the . , ' f Water Composies kw the supply of water; they *ow re. sifittiil the Petition was to lay quired IL per twat. mo r e hi the shape of profit than on very iiirpottatit matter which ii I farmer oressieuts. eil to. Ile porticularly %isle Mr. HAILVICT thought the rivalry of the Water Conspeeist led to a variety el useful Onproveourat• is the mods of sup. meats accompanying the Petit ',tying water. bites', in ad extraordinary awl ' The Petitios was laid ee the table, Sir JamEs (Alla. posiewed Petition. (Jai the Proprie. the cinisluci of a spy of who $ said mid lo little dune. As 1 tors of the Chelsea and West Middlesex Water Works, that the course lie proposed 1 . ' . Against the same Bill. The worthy Baronet said the P ro. no ohjectinn to withdrew the I • ti i ro r t i :a h n . r o il 1171 n ott e* s i tl ac tliVacji l l tra m a P v f e r lewe e to sa47 duty, and t o e view of WomedieftlY Pveemti in their trade. the purpose of informing the i 4 These P..tilinns were laid ow the table. mid Course, by distinct Peti : • 31r. %SUNDAY laaaealed a Pellikal Gla a tile CottoriAsPlo. her:. of Derby. s'sinst any additional duty on tbar trade.-- miM telort to get ut the ear of 1 1 / 4 Mr. %Vette wlaherl to km Lim on the 14. ire. I I '‘. taiga were withdrawn after be Mr. asscitaultire prisentAd a Petition Rote the Mane- , tirturem sir woolen, in coicilitati ,in Laileashlre, in favour the Journals wniild tositaiin a eit' A repeal of the Wool Millen tents ? Thb dialler being t ' - ii ' He also preseosed a Pension from th e Dy e r s its the same pure, 'via.. the duty on Reps Oil. J II The Petitions were laid on the t a ble. th ournal... ought no recutd of it Should ),.. I 11.. Peer presrultal Atceonts of the Expenses of building The Sikalt En iaitl, the Glib.. Mows in lrelmsd.—Lail on the Ishie. Fir 11. PIL AMltt.t. brought in the Holyhead Road sal, bonne; wit h drawn i i ii i h ri ll , t r Zli e ws i s ir i l l e s d ua a l , lie r.t i t t li s t i v Ic wtoeh was read a first time, and ordered for a second reading Clew record that the Pttttio 6u 'Monday. i• Mr, iv. Deans, presentee a Petilirtu from the Royal Col. cuti.ent Of the House. II ! lege of surgeons so Ethohorkh, oil the subj. ft ors B i ll 11011/ Mr. WYNN cod, Hitt 1i!... rt hi Awe tee Hogue for the regulation u f their Profession.— object to such charges as 111, . l 1 i , • ' Ordciiil to lie sin She table. againit individuals should lie i COPYRIGHT. 1 Mr. MlLgt presented i Petitiim Noe the Senates ACa• gals of die Hor s e, withent lilt .1 1 . ' i 4 i 1 I deadeye of the CoUrge of Aberdare, preying that so el. knows be made is the Copyright AM.—Ordered m be pieta. PETITION Fgoll lOC COBIIITT. Lord C•cosaw's raw to present a Fluids, RI which he *soot eseirsily epllett d atte t 4Cl of U sibe was fens a celt erriNs who 'wine tithe ago *kid to America in consequence of Dig cdercivi_Arts then passing by his own Go- vernment ; and to this Petition was riiiiesernoso documents from individuals in exile in Ainericnain consequence of the flagrant end notorious acts of FORGERIES ON THE RANK. Sir J. MACKINTOSH said, he row, agreeably to notice, to move that a Committee be appointed to inquire into the means of more etlectuolly pit ventiu4 forgeries un the Bank of Englcu►d—and to repot their opinion thereon to the House.' He could assure Gentlemen, that, until lie had that moment learned the detersn'oation of some persons (whose sentiments on this subject had, lie conceived, ton much weight with the House) to oppose this motion, lie Could scarcely persuade himself that any serious objection would be offered In it. He could scarcely believe, after the progress mark. in that inquiry in which they had ecub..rked, that :toy opposition would be given to prevent the Legislature front &ming to that result ► to %%Inch all the previous steps they had taken manife►tly tended. In the Lett discussion, connected witli this sohject, a very important priiiciple was established--and an orgit ment, which had long been triumpliairtly used by the Bank of England, was directly over-ruled. The Bank could no longer, after that decision, declare that their accounts I their affairs were those of a private Company, into -which Parliament had no right to inquire. That pretence, flimoy as it was, had been tenaciously adhered to by ti:e Bank, until it was overturned i►y the lag dis cussion. It ;reined to him doubtful whether the night Honourable Gentleman (Mr. Yen ratan) hod inside up his mind to grant the judicial details connected with one of the greatest evils that ever afflicted tl►e country, until lie found the- sena of time House decidedly opposed to I' N ' IJA 6 \ NV • • e • Lull, And after what ire bad items, he had hot little doub►, that, if the imleprisdesit individeatab who had delivered their itertinsetitss on the former occesioti. would 110 W C forwent, its the same lllai.ilet, the Allnsisters of the Crew', would be %smil ed out to provoke a el.vision, which would termi nate in their defeat, as he was perfectly certuiti tic l a st would base dime, if they had celled for it. It had been ridusitted, its the coarse of more than one discussion, thee the inaptitude of the evil was Pinch an Ito call fur is (bete inquiry. The investigation had been, pushed to a certain point—documents hail beet, ;allied fur from the Bank—met the ge, rat sense of the House hail been loudly expressed on the propriety of lindisig out some ineutee f o r the mitigation of the evil. Few subjects had ex cited such a general interest in the minds of the public at large—in the 'de of the most quiet part of society—it, the minds of those who took the least part in the discu.sion of political subjects. It appeated, indeed, to be a most momentous ques tion, whets they came to examine the doctioneuts illustrative of it. In the course of twelve year•, preceding the stoppage of cash payments, but one executiori for the forgery of Bank notes occurred. Forgery was then one of the rarest offences its the record of crimes. What billowed ? lit the course of the lest seven years, one hundred and one per bent had suffered for that uffence.—(Heirr.)—An other 'comparison, equally striking and tiorribk, might be sit tail. One instance only of exe cutitni for forgery of Bank times was to be found in the twelve years preceding the re striction on cash payments—and, it, the last seven years, no less than forty font had taken place f•rr that offence its Louden, mud sex u4►ne,'. Forgery mood et the head of the list of capital of fences. The number of p.ersuais executed fur that crime, gieatly exceeded those who suffered for murder—it was far beyond the pioportion of per sons executed for the next great utl'ence, buigkre —and it rebsolutely doubled the number of those who forfeited their lives for taking property by force and violence. This was the seatilt sin which he rested, and which he implored the House to con sider. lie implored them to thick, whether they ought nut, by a Committee of tin it own, de view means, if nut to remove (that he feared could only he done by the irsitnitalion of cash payments). at Is ist to mitigate the evil. He implored them to consider how they could answer to ilkr con sciences sod their constituents, if they orglected this duty—if, deceived by any specious pretence. they transferred that duty to others, which the House of Commons owed it to the people of F.ng. land to perform theinselves.—(lfene.)—lis . every point of view the subject was spiralling. New horrors seemed to surround it on every side. Let the House look to the result, drawn from docu ments laid before them. The returns of the 1111111 her of prosecutions for Batik forgeries in the years 1816, 1817, and three months of 181 S. had beets made up--and the increase would hid defiusice to belief, if it were not founded on the most authentic evidence. The most extraordinury circumstance Wins that, in the last three months. the ev►l had in creased to so dreadful an extent, that ►f it went on in any thing like the same ratio, the proosecutions in 1818, would be three times greater 111411 those which occurred in 1917—the last being the worst year ever before known. lie perceived that souse returns of considerable importatice had yesterday been presented—and amongst them a return of the expenses incurred by the Bunk of England its threw proseititionv. When he alluded to thew, he did not meats to say u word invidious or accusatory bf the Batik of England. He merely called the attention of Gentlemen to the duty which this sys tem and its consequences devolved out that House. Airing the first few years, after the stoppage of :Rook peyments, the expense of prosecutions was equal . but if had iticrrased wonderfully. In :the last year the prosecutiosiv for forgery cost 30,000/..—aud, in three months of the present year (to give the House some idea of the rapid and gigantic stride which the evil had tikets), the ex pense amounted to near 30,000/. The general average oft the expense struck him with astonish. merit. 'Ube general average, for prosecuting emelt individual, was 26:2;/.—(Heur,hear.)—Thi. appeared to be a monstrous mid air alarming etreetn stance. Takiseg the average of single years. it w s s greater; but the general weenier was 26.5/. for the conviction of each person. He did not mention floe as a charge against the Bank, but as a ClittOblilat. ing 'stool that the House ought to du its ditty, and investigate, to the last, this pernicious 5 3 .- tent, instead of sufferirig the investigation to devolve 1111011 others. In the last retinue, the for genes exhibited one circumstance estehaely sow wrier. In the course of the last time e ear*, the forgeries, which were formerly roused to sot 11l sin see had climbed to those of larger amount. Tire skill and experieuce of those who lord etuberke.ti in the forgery of small notes, had excited them to titillate these of much larger atnuutit. lit muse quence of this circurustarece, he was afraid, etets it' cash oryinents were resumed, ti at a considet able time must e lapse before an end was put to the forgiag of large notes. Experience had abundant. lv ahraii, that Free its of punishment —even the fur feitiore of tile, had nu effect in repressi❑g this evil. The tempt/thou wits so great, that the fear of death slid not prevent prritaiiii Irons eittliat king in this traffic. lie had often !gimlet' tl►is bort his own oil seivation—und lie would 111)1V fortify th it statement by quutitig the words of the Lord Chief Banes, when inotieutwitig sentence of death, of the late Lancaster Armless, on several persous who had been•. found guilty of fulging MII4II Mitt.. •That Learn ed Judge, in addresviog the cosivicts, said—" is evident that previous Intiliontnriab h ave h a d uit effect in checking this tenor, for all your otiliterS have been commuted *nice Ilse. last Assizes;•aud. mattes souse other memos Le devised to put an vet to to, we must proceed to the utmost severity set the lao." The foamed Judge, as a Alititstee of thy law, could lint avoid, however pionfoi it might be to Isis feelings, the iwrforinstice of tl,e duty which hit situation imposed on him. But, by ti l e partite thesis which he used, 1411.11 hIC 54111, " owlets* tonne other mode ha devised," Ire seemed las stew plore the Legislature to relieve hint end brethren from the horrible task elect, nee so otitis devolved on them. The frequency of nit• pilal I ttttt ithinetsts for this (lime, to isier Ille words of the Petition from Liverpool sit tics see feet--" merle our laws hateful to for. tended to destroy the wood mood