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I.Pwrol advances made in Cluilt,or 134“ALC111 . itteePt amis, um Goods cut signtd for these isles. htl I'S L FaRLiAIu4.Y T. % , 110UNI: OF COMMOAN, Taoa.o•ar. Psis s. The Sloes xra infornsed the Ilona', he had re ceived a letter front liver-Admiral Ds; twiny, re forming hat ttiati4ks isor the Itoktour d o es him by th e ;see that H,eiitte. noticing hie exertithis in the emliseketioe of oil r treys at Cortuiita which was trail ea.! ordered to be catered on the Juunials of the Howie. A person from the Treasury presented a Report of the aspoitist of titre Bovesties paid on the lm visitation of Fish tut the last year into the port of A Report peas al s o presented. of the unwise of. Shies etueloetl in Int Whatn fishy'. Mr. Husetssue broit4'.it iii the roc tontine log the Prohibition of the Distillation from Oralu in Great Britain, for a kneed per;od, mid for pre ventiag the onporteihse of Malt Spirits from Ire land and feieige pouts. The read Wet tiuee, and ordered to be read a second time. Mr. WARDLIt sate 1 to the Hew,: !newish to i n d u l g e, tie-:untrue, in an opportemity of giving• • farther teethooso. in addition to that which lie gave last night, iit order to correct • a mistake he had heels led into. He had since recollerted Ife had seen Mrs. Clarke on the morning of 'Tisesilay last, 'niece& of the eve:eine. as lie had deted ; and wished to hare that rectitirOl. Mr. Secretary Cousins lireueld op the Pipers relative to the appeisioneut of Alr.'ilelfery to the Flair of Consul-Getterel in PorttepsL Ordered to be 'yr; ilk if. Mr. Mesa? Mearte moved, " That the Papers relative to the 110.1 i . ,, to the Aeeet se i Ceyion, which were laid on the table yesterday, he printed." Mr. Hoseissoe ebjecteil to the motion, on the ground of unnecesoarilv addine te the a; rvit ex rare incurred by printing by (irate of the Hoes. entree there• were grounds which rendered it expe dieut in the preseat inetauce. Mr. M eerie COnCeIIIPA that where accounts re latire to the expenditure of public money are laid • before the Meuse; it was a inotims of counie where any Member w,alle.l to make them more psodir by Piloting. in orthir o draw tilt attention of Members to them. Mr. Waamv.a mired. That proper pi.rsons froniehe Military t Ace of his Royal Highutes the Placer york a., to-morrow. attend tilt CO , • ttee of the whole House, appointed to intittifr into the eirescluet of his Royal Ilighsteee, with regard to pro issotious, with the booke of the Office, containsug the lists of a pplications tut liberty to purchase by Sabalternis, 'during the period in which l'optain Mating had obtained his three commissions ; and also the hooks containing the lists of the Subaltern Officers during the same period." Mr. PEAGFI'AI. wished the latter part of the Mo tion might be postponed till to-inotrow, in order to see Whether any inconvenience might atteud the production. It r there were no objection, they could easily be produced iinnierlietely. if utoved for, YU as not to retard the iliselissiois. Mr. WARCI.F; declared he had no objection, and proponed the entire motion till to mo rrow. Mr. WHITBREAD wislip.l to he informed whether Sir Arthur Wellesley heel continued in possession of the office of Chief Secretary tor Ireland, durin g tile period lie Wil* rendering such isuportaut sere trims to his cinestry *bored Sir Aerne WF.LLKIILYW answered, that it had been considered that his continuing to hold that *Mee did not preclude hie being employed in the service of his country elsewhere. 'rhe Noble Duke at the head of istilsire in that coinstry had certainly the oopertuuity of miming another to the situation, during his alieestee, if it hod heels found requisite. Ile hail beets absent from the =tabor July to Au gust; dining that ( )triad he had received his salary as Secretary. but his !el only for a part of it. He certainly could not afford to be deprived both of pay and salary. Mr. WHITBRit AD WM about to make some obser vation on this niatteneut, when he was interrupted by the Seemsen, on the point of order, to know if he 'smut to submit any motion ? He replies!, he merely meant to use the iisdulgseice of the House for a few minutte; but if he was to be prevented, he should certainly feel it Isis duty, tearoom futon, slay, to move that the office of Chief Secretary fur Ireland is an inefficient place. ENUATMENT BILL. Lord cANTLMIEMiII moved the Order of the Day for the second reading of the Bill for einpow triter the enlistinent of men out of the Militia auto the regular sans. His lordship said, that having before offered his sentiments on the subject on the introduction of the Bill. he ehonlil not trouble the House at present, but merely move, "'That the Bill he now read a second titue." Mr. Bbetsver inquired what the inteiultelsliffer . nee of bounty was between those who entered fur limited and 'Haim:tad service Lord CASTlAlltitAttin replies), " The difference was six guinea's—ten or eleven for the limited, mid fifteen or sixteen gnineasfor the unlimited service." Mr. F.1.1.10TT then proceeded to state his objec tions at large to the 1111 . 3 , 0fe proposed. He said he hesitated much at any thing that might have the appearance of objecting, in times so inieneutone the present, to the increase of the inflate force; but his objection* were not to the thieg itself, but to the mode by which it was attempted to be ef reeled. Although the measure hail hero form: tie adonteil. tinder the pressure of emergency, yet it would Le foetid that that cutergeuc) would ore-ate upon itself by continued increase; mud the preseot • ;kiln, though iu form it new Bill, ) et beiag iis iact part and coiitiispatiotiof diet system, it wastiwieture that he objected to it. •fhe oreeetat he considered as i pregnant example of the &huger of kid rte.:- dvtits. Upon the isrst inttoduct ~,,,, there was a great she sv of preparation, and notch pititiontary Inquiry; but as a measure of course, aua wiwortity de -emirate ; Ise would therefore proceed to state his objections. W urn the meesure was first a g itated, it had been re *conemesitled flow the I breite.that we dente' proceed to merest., one disposable force, oithotit tiopairiog our means of internal defence. To this touchstone the plan adopted was wholly inopplitable. Thu ter,' means adopted by a erpetitiou el bounty, first for entering into the Militia, and torn ter %ohm tteriog thence into the , Lute, was found real caily injerious; whet was it but a perpetaal drain. tending to destroy ell ilis.tplint sir time Militia, besides operating to the to.s of the offi cers iu that service, by disgusting ? ho lung ago OS the Peace of Amiens.. lee bad es premed him self adverse to the exteosion of the Aldan'; not be. cause he was adeerse tothent, bat because be wished them to refusal es they then were, as the beet means of keeping up that state of discipline which ha considered they were thee arrived at-..theetwrientes. The evils attending enormous bulimic* mere univer sally admitted, and he therelose could not help culling the atteutiois of the House to the expedient proposed by the Noble Lord to remedy the evil.... it was well known that bounties had. envied from tifteew to so inigh as twenty-live gbittetii. Officers were to he allowed but tto guineas* isien ; but his Lordship -hail a ballot, inpetto, which be kept to lie I t nut as isceastuti taught require, to quit heel the levier alien they appeared tardy. What was this, in.o mercantile lomat of view, but, to call fur ser vices at a less price. and et the same time to say, wait a while, sod you dealt hate the market at your own price.? This was. besides, an expense coining on the heel of burdeste already too heavy ou the comities; anal which, though no direct tax, was the worn[, because the most Mosque', 'fite present phut aSs also objectiottable for another expense. isainely, the uccoistulatisne of • the militia fasuil)- Homey ; which was nut oily to be paid to those actually in the militia, but to those who should In, drafted froiti it. He theu eatered into a shoat comparative view of Mr. Wiadliacter .plitti of defence. which, he contended. if suffered sufficieet time for the experiment. would Mire proved wu't efficacious for ell the purposes proposed. Colonel Isi'isnoutet supported the Bill. Ile considered the objectiot4.toraterly made to tar measure, to be Istousiseit ass DIM so well unfit rsiau.l ar it was now ; au solteratioa of opinion, Ott lug eihier to the Militia Colonels better uisiierstauding the advaiatages atteuduig it, or from -a greater pre valence of the military spirit trotting to !Icarian timl ittcoareniences for the public weltare. ass surprised at the objectiou of its tending to 'doses' theatilitary energies. when he Saw the late glorious ictories effected by wen priutipally hunt the militia. It aas also objected that the solonteeritig would have the effect of driviag Officers hose the militia; on the contrary, he thought it woiald have the opposite edict, by holding out an -encourege meet to Officers, Oho, though of respectable fami lies. could not purchase; bat to whom the holm w® held out of pawing front the militia into the line, by bringing with them the requisite usimber of sets. Its agreed with the Flom (jeittleman, that the militia had arrived at its lIIHASSISOM in discipline, but he therefore thought it right they should brie the liberty of trauderring their service. because there was no Auch thing as remaining stationary-; amid if not allowed to ether tido more active service, they would inevitably retrograde into wore,. It would also he Ilse means of getting rid of s u d s wild characters as, tliougli Yt hero ire objectiestaltle,vo o u hd make excelleist sasialicie. With respect to the objection of the high price of bounty, the remedy he conceived to lie very simple; it was only making it gineially known, that the penalty of AA. ex empted for the years, and i.e one would give a higher price for • substitute. In fact, such high bounties were ouly given during a ballet, but maw there were not more than seveu• or eight guineas given. Oat of twenty moo that had latest) joilted him, none had received more then ten guineas. With respect to uulisaited service, he .tasted the opinion of a serjeaut of his, who said, the reason' was, that expecting to be able to procure tin ir discharge easily et the end of a war, men chose to take the larger bounty wider that apes:elation. Upon the whole. • he cousidt red the present as the Mast mode of procuring a disposable force on which we could rely, and therefore aupported the Bill. Sir THOMAS TWITItill conceived it would have beets wise to delay the present uscioure until atter the discussion of the motion of his Right lismour ,able Friend (Mr. Pousouby). Was the necessity so urgent, for the purpose of sending out mother army to achieve another Conveution of Civets—or could it he intended to send another force its tra verse Spain unsupported ? If mot, the actual force was quite sufficient fur defence. Ile was nut one of those who ever suppnost lloimparte serious mitts threats of .iurasioit. Autaupportad by a navy. The idle was exploded built in theme:leo' and mo dern word. The Romans could never conquer Sicily, th nigh at their door, mail they had de feated the Carthagiuien fleet ; hut this could not be done while their attention was exclusively di rected to their army. The same was the case during the reign of Louis the XlVtb. Looking at the measure as to it, mode of operation, he con sidered it equally objectionable; it was tweaking on the good old system of the tens break ing iu as the Coustitutional boundaries Which had hitherto defended us. A Constitutional Militia did not consist in enlisting for the purpose of vo binteering into the hue ; but serving amidst friends, and defending their respective coutities. Mr. BARTSIIO cousidered the Bill as every way nbjectioisable. It was mitt that a prospect of actual service was tied story to keep alive discipline ; was love of our country, or a desire of ilonig our dUty , principle of action ? For Lis part. so far f fearing any danger of wait of Oflis en', he knew of three or hour Gentlemen' waitmg for cous,niseions in the regiment hr had the honour to ermentuel.— It sea: said that the Colonels of regiments were now more sensible of the advantages attending the present system ; who these were he knew nut; Ent if they were content to be mere Chill-serjeants fur vegiments or the line, it might be good or bad as they esteemed it. The evils attending the iyiasim were sufliciently notorious; drinikeimess, 'mirky, and deserlou, were its consequence.% ; anti SCIMMPIIIe ass the Coutiimiuler-in-Chief of the ill elfeeta, that he lied reeoninieeided the yearning it into execution only wasoding to the strict letter, or rather to evade at by every possible ineaiis. Hr knew also that it wits the feeling of the majority Or oiSerrs, that it was better to put an rah at once to ti:e system of militia, thun expose it to the ceittinutitimi °Cheese evils is hid, had crept M. Lord :EUSTot4 opposed the toottoo. • Mr. PULTaNLy observed, that there could he no difference of optuion as to the necessity of tiicritan ing the regular entity. Tine there ought be some hardship attendiug the rueasiire at present 'wrote the House, he must iielmit; but this cue a. period iii which those herds-hips must be trimmed :it jus tified, it called for Mem. The regular army ought to be supeorted and supplied from the militia; and his Right Hon. Friend had done all in his power to mitigate Whatever eiils might be expected to result front it. lit , had great hopes, front whit lied been stated by his lion. Friend behind - him, that she plies submitted to their consiuleratMit mat be pro ductive of tie greatest beoclit. to that %eerier, its whose success we were so materially.iitteresteh. Mr. VstriEstllDlVir professed himself favolonthle to the system of the .•Loeal Militia; at the same time 1w was rather inclined to intimmt the motion, of the Right Ilotiouratile • s%.retary, *Welt he Colas. sidereal as liseriug a chthe fur adoption, upon the principle of experience. Mr. CAM:Rare admitted the necessity of main tniniug a military force ; but at the skew- time. white he admitted this necessity in its fullest ex tent, he had sonic hr.itatiou iii concurring with the motion now before them. He appealed to the recollection of the I louse, and particularly to the . recollection of the Right llonotimhle..Gentleinait I • If, whether they had not been told it Inc months ago that the military force of the country was never in so flourishing anal efficient a state as at that period ? How strange then most it appear, that without any account of waste, ordiscoinli titre, or loss, when the cry of victory. was ringing in their ears, a cry which, iu his mind, (so far so respected the military) was not taisapplied.hens strange couit it appear, that amid this cry, we shothld be culled upon to supply losses and repair disadvantages? He thought it would Le more becoming the Right Hon. Sceretury to enter into particulars upon this head, and present sonic aireettat to the Ilouse of the forces already committed to him, before he Mended a me ply of other force. to be committed to him even. it appeared from wcomparimin of the papers of this reimiip with the last,-that there had been a dr:fie4 of 30,000 nieueethe loss of SO,Oine men, was lest, in his estimation, a matter to be passed over without are ount. Some objections hail been stated against the Om which an Hon, Friend of his had proposed ;but he would declare that the plan of his Ilvn. Fiiend had not a fair trial, and therefore ant judgment epee its merits. mo s t come without piihkeient eoreolsoration ; in any ease in which find • system haul a 0141, it had proved its utility ; but when expedients were ap plied, in consequente of competition, that utility was defeated, and the prospects acted expec tations it held forth, losvto the country. - . The Noble Lord had stated one reason for increasing our forces, in winch he reeretted, that lie could not agree. His Lordship 111,4 said, thet we might be called upon to act a greet' pal f teem the Conti nent. From the present aspect of atiiiiis, froin the documents now in our posseseion, amid the experi ence which we had hitherto been able to collect, he could entertain no such expectation ; mid when we looked to the situation of our army after its return, he trusted that we would be little inclined to ex pose another to a similar fate. The tuilitia'wes species of force be respected ; lie therefore could not approte of any meisurestled interfered with its interests. The prevent MIMI one atlas description ; it went to bike from it that high clutnicter which it . should always minutes°. and whiCh every tree lover Of the Constitution masa wish it to maintain in its purity. Some eulogioiut had been passed upon the local militia ; to those he aseented; but he warned the noose, that if ever the system now pro posed was exteeelai to the local militia; theeulogia ta would be inapplicuble, end ought to he retracted. '1 he system of his Hon. Friend was folitided upon the principles of human nature ; 'end, limvever it might he misrepresented or mistaken. was calcu lated to promote the great object of national secu rity. The ballot proposed in the present tustance was also objection:thole. 110111 PIS practieel °mores. stion. If it were necessary to procure s general de fence, should it not be supplied from the general fund, Matra(' of being demystified from vartietiler counties or districts, contrary to the spirit of our Constitution ? He conclude:ll with almervitig, that thssgh it might be impossible to resist the influ ence of Ministers, as he was sure it was upon the present occusion. yet every Member of that House was competent to give • his opinion, and fart such sentiments us he thought right, in the present alarming am, eveutfol el tais. Mr. Pei:et:nee explained. Colonel BAUW L contendesh that the wisdam or folly of Ministers, in disposing of the forces with which they were already entrusted, was as ouniplete a question of military means as the iminerwal amount of submit and bayonets; still lie was satis fied to wave the great question which Ministers were desirous to avoid. and would coidine hiinself within the strict limits of the subject. If it were ex pedient, as had liven iusisted, to transfer part of thus militia to the regular force, why. did they we re commentlto transfer all? We had iiiiii it was true, to increase the regular army ; but then M' ourselves tit the same time not to iiiert.:lNV it at the expense of our defensive force, and he emitelidell that the defensive force of the country would suffer materially by the plan of the night lion. Secretary. Mr. lot aItART thought that His Majesty's were still hound to do all they etstild, not ii. rely ler their own couistry. hat. ter Spain. and Immviently were instilled in proposing the meat 111111tVr Collsitleration. The events of Spain that little was to be relied on any de feusife e distinct from the feather army. It was t:tteti that the present measure was unjust; but it reds not, he contended, so partial in its ope ration, as had berm represented by thus Gentlemen opposite. it would be • Insali inure unjust and. oppressive Weill,4lllrtt to Lie nit I.:1.• 1..i..d.0t Govern.- meta, under such circtunstativcs as the present, 111111 prevent them from aff.oilitig that assists ace which might be necessary, by a scrupulous but tuts. taken sating of expetulitu, ... Lord CASCI.MLUAGIII bald, tillit so alt were of o;,i ;ion that the force should be iticrensiAl, the o n ly difference must be as to the method lby which that increase was to be effected. lie did nut agree, that, because there were some topics remotely concerned with the question now before them, these topic* should be previously discussed, and the disposable force of the country tieglected, u n til Mtioaters had answered for the use they had made of the forces already eau iiii itteil to them. if increase was, No it was culifesv.ed to be, indispensable, why wait for the verdict of ally party to stopvly that increase ? —An Honourable fiuntlensmn hail complaietti that the ground* of the necessity of this ite crease were not stated, but be did not think it required titre great decree of penetration •td • discover, in the present state of Europe slat 'of the world, the necessity of that iiicreasv.-.: Whatever some (let:denten may think of the cat• of Simko, we ostglitat lead to have tke memo) in our • hands of affording her effectual co-operation. It would be a bad pdicy to think of depressing the Executive Covernment, by .kerning doss it the na tional force. While the people of tins comart are bound by a "Amin pledge, and while the people of that country are trot to their interests and to them *Avis, we will support them. lie would allow that we should not_be misled by visiotrory projects ; but if, in the course of tbe struggle, which lie hoi.cd and believed was not tertniusted, we should see ratioto)t grenitmls of sneers s„ this country sfas drtetiained to embark in the (Isthmus undertaking. it could out 'be supposed that the world would Lopata forever un- • der tile tyranny of me individual; and therefore a case tiii, t iit arise out of the struggle in which we were en e .i A eil, .. call far a prompt and inierptic interference, which we should I.e prepared to afford. How would (love , ut be exposed to censure, if it delayed until the very inueneut this force was wearing, out! Were to erontruence its preparatioua in the moment it shownt act. The Lion. Gentleman hail spoken of deficiency ; but that part of the establishment to volin.h• his re marks applied, a Nil . to 'which this Bill was directed, experienced increase and not deficient,. If the House would exeunt', the returns, they would see, from the frame and nature of the estaLlishmeht, a ' necessity for the measure lie submitted, in order to make up the deticiency of second battalions. It .vas stated that limited service should be adopt. 1 ed. •His Lordship had no objection to admit those who enlisted for limited serviceto the regular army, but to limit the system entirely, was a measure to which he never would assent.... Mention had been made of the necessity . of it preponderating force, to resist, as it Isere, a force teat constitutionil; brit after the adoption of his measure, this would stall exist in a degree sufficient to all practical purposei.' if it were herd upon the country it was necessary to its pretervation. Whatever difference of opitrio.4 might exist upott other subjeets, they must ell wee tee impossibility of conducting modern warfare with out well slisciplined regular troops, aril the present was a period in which any avid - titer...am loan them 'sushi be injurious and Ullill'oL. They had chewed, in the efforts they Lad brick made, th a they were not indifferent to time !in. :•i. ,i of other countries ; wand it would be totitrailu . ..ory to suspect them of itult&renre or I-motility to the some cause, when the country to which it referred wair,their own. Earl Taunt said, the Noble Lord was about to leave to those who were to euecatel him the ob. lialuy of completing his tot:allure.. The country were not to hear of any ballot taking ;daze in the hest inoinents of his political life, bat atter his retir ing from office, other noisier* were to but wider the disagreeable necessity of saddling the country with a ballot, to make up the delleiency in tlito militia, created by his measure. Upon former uccosiosis. When such measures were brought for w ard, there woe always some emergency gaited to exist; but in the present iostance the Noble Lord seemed only to be acting with a view to some future emergency. or necessity ; althoueh it was well kuown, that three days were sidlieient for the pawing of a Bill through Parliament, by which the mititia might be drafted inlothelogulars 'He was now touuderidarisi that this was to be the regular sydeniatic plan for recruiting the line lay a conscription out of that muss of the community liable to be drawn for the militia ; • system which he could not •approve. — The Noble Lord had compared the system of his Right Hon. Friend (fir. Wiodham) with his own system of recruiting ; fiat his conclusions seemed to be erroneous. by a compel ison of numbers it ap peared, that we were getting 21,000 11101 per outran by the firmer plan ; nod now we were, by the No tie Lcuel's plan, procuring only at the rate of 13,000 men per 1110111111. Ile should ol t iLet to the present measure, as it only went to lay a tux upon the com munity, an d t o di,v1..1 that class of men on whom the safety of the tutii,:ry so motel depended. The DM was then read a second time withoot a • division, and ordered to be committed on Monday next. Earl TEMPLE gave notice, that it was his inten tion, on Monday, to move for returns, stating. the differeure between the army embarked for Spain. Pottogal, and its return to this country'. He %should, at the same time, move for returns of the sums of eunney.t.tieles of clothing, and other assist." suer, actually received by the Spottier& from this country. Lord CJATI.GRRAQII said, he felt no objection to the tanking ',Pell rations, tint wi bed to ap prise the It Lord flint it might tint be in the power of C:loyo r ttttt esti to ► totiply u won with the Liter part of his intended telollo , l. Mr. TA v tout gave notic. , . that CM 3,lopolny nest he should move for Copies of t!.e lotttuctiutat trait:milted to the Coosuottuders-in Chief in Spam and Portugal. Lord C AiTLEREACIII said. he had formerly 46 , nified to the Howe, that there was no iattlivorA (sou iu Goterooneist to 1 4 ;VP every porsi;de 'informa tion upon that avillert to, en Hon. Gentle-mum (Mr. Parelintib) who.. toed "itreatly given notice o f a 'notion' for the purpose of crimmating jyliuisters is regard to Spain nisi Portuittl. Adjourned at Half pest Nine. r