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• ry ; after six yes& service, IMP *** pat *vet the lesads of all the Captains, all the tVlakjoris, and, for I aught he knew, would soon be placed over the heads of all the Colonels iu the army. He asked, whether it could be supposed. when the Nellie Lord's (Castlereagh) speech went forth to the world, that it would he at all palatable to other British officers? mud concluded with deelaring.that the motion had his hearty concurrence. Lord CASTIASSAUP esplained. Lord NawaLK said, that although he was in the habit of votilig with Ilia Majesty's Ministers. yet this appoiruissent seemed so extraordinary an instance of favour, that lie should vote for the [no- • tion. Lord Heat, Perry said, he should not have dess livered his sentiments on the presentquestiou, had it not been for the sentiment, delivered by the Noble lord, that he thought it his duty, when per sons of rank nod finally entered the army, to do all in his power for obtaining them promotion without purchase. Persons of that rank ought not to he encouraged by such spilt:ions, in contradiction to public opinions, and to the injury of the army in general. Were such A • principle acted upon, it would drive those mill wit of ' the country, to whom we should look with the greatest con fidence and he thought it his duty to repro bate such a dangerous principle, which was nolo' , tunatel f t too much evemplitied in the present cast:. Sir . BASLE/ BUSIIIELL admitted the King's prerogative in the right of-rrosuotion, but thought the opirsioo of the Noble Lord (Cestlereugh) erro neous, whets he said the !louse had no right is in terfere. The present case was one of the most flagrant injustice, in putting a young Wall over old Otfieere: lie was willing to allow full merit to the young la question, but contended he• had ,•.0 0 e no more Mau it was the duty of every Officer to do. Mr. Peaces's'. said, that the Hnn. Baronet had niistskeu the Noble Lord upon the. (oration of prerogative. Although the Noble Lord had argued st gly against improper Interference with the pre rogative of the Crown, lie had admitted the right of the noose to interfere. The only question for the consideration of the House was, whether this wt. a proper cube to interfere in ? It rested entirely upon the promise previously made, and he would appeal to those Hort. Members most in opposition to Ills Majesty's Ministers, whether it promise so made should lie brOken ? The appointment was delayod till the six years' service was completed. (Ilear I hear !) Yes, completed ; for, however it have appeared in The Gazette. still he knew that the commissiou wail dated the 15th of March ; , he therefore maintainer' that it was inconsistent with honour, that is promise so musk should be broken in consequence of a subsequent order. After • few words in explanation from Sir C. the House divided, whets there ap prared— For Slit motion Apia.° it Majorify 'vinyl Ministers On being re-admitted, we found Mr. CANN! No replying to a question put by Lord HENRY PET.. TT. respecting America. I:, said that isegociations were etill peoi.ing between the two countries; he ',es happy however to hare that opportunity of dat ing-that the conduct adopted by Mr. Erskine was , not such at His Majesty's Ministers had directed, nr smosid approve; so be...fever t was possible that many persons. acting upon the face of the agree ment, might incur Isms. steps would he taken. in order to prevent Roy darn neiit to such persoas as lied acted on the faith of that agreemesit. COMMITTEE. OF WAYS ANT) 'MEANS. IRISH BUDGET. Mr. Fosrca, its the; above committee, stated the annual Ways mud /Beans fey Ireland, commonly called the Budget ; were a 3 foliose : WAYS AND MEANS. roa m ...printed Bakuicca.. ...... L 1,739,3111 Deduct tmeanOed 'kilt toms., ----- Arrest to Heath 3,811 tC 1,6117 • Nacagatters.... 191,;93 Z 1,31‘1094 Estimated Revenue 4.300,U00 Leann in (,rent Bilnkin, 3 millions L j.i0,04•0 Itraisti ...... ......... 4,500,090 1,J5 0 101100 Dittu in Ireland Sl' Qaota for Ireland, 4,273,fitia Britirb latereat auJ Slaking fan.l. ...... L in,s, 4;os 1 - 6 .79 0 ,79 6 1.690141,4 L. w,w7,ane Excicss of Ways and Mean ..... 21.494 L. 10,514,0%4 Monte to Tr Ix, rrou NI (trials) L. 4, segos° lut. and Stuk.ug fund thereon .nit.ooo (la tOO9 L.itt 2400) D AI% AND 'MEANS. Per Jae. Ix into). 1. reohibit ing Raw Coen la goo L 124,020 Brewery 2. lemma of Doty uu e „,.„ sounth . 32,500 strength of Spirits. a. Dimon wet is Sults 240,000 1 south. 60.ue0 L. 16,50 u /-6 v s,oolo Bytthis statement,Cendltmen. I de not venture to esti nate the ILevenue of i rebind at more than four tailbone and a half, and in addition to which, it will be recollected, that a Loan lies been already voted for the service of Ireland, to be raised in Great-Britain, to the amount of three millions British, br about three Millions and a quarter Irish ; together with one million and a quarter to be rased in Ireland. snaking in all 4; millions.— The sum therefore that is necessary mite provided is that which will be s goal to the payment of the interest on unit Loan, whirls, with Or Stoking Fund, will alumna to 464,0091. sr as neatly as ran be calculated in a rontid sins, 212,b001. Towards ?wising that sum, I shall first state ■ inemare tOnt has been already under the contiitleration of thi nottee, I incan the prohibition of the use of fat , / corn in brevrelies, which I estimate will add to the revenue 20.0001. ; but as it will only operate for one half of the present year, I shall only take it et .124,0001. The feiv.on I state it at this pariirialm• suns . is, their the quantity of malt nerd hiss only produced our-fourth of she Dumber of barrels that formerly paid duty, bring 504,0 , ;0 barrels on ly. VL e hake no certain ..as to go opi r, but we have ivhat. will be a ,:nod Inundation fur forming s pretty correct ji.d s ztuent upon it.— su rv o a ing that piiit!sitig but ho i te has been used • Gs an ingretteut, I rechou that the whole of the hops in Ireland could produce such a number of bowel. as would yield nnnurtly 24e,0001,.; Out as it can ink "Perete for six mouths, L estimate the sues arising from this prohibition of the use of raw ' corn 111 brewitig, at iii.oool. The fleet sum I propose to ratite is from an increase of the. duty upon the strength of spirits, by making au addition is the proportion of one to tee, upon fourteen de grees abuse the present stressgth, uud this I calcu late will produce 130,nu01. a-year ; but as it will telly operate for two mouths, I iney state it at et.loal. The thirst mode, by winch I meats to raise 1. what necessary fur the paynteut of the sidereet of 'this Loan, is by iiiereming the quantity of work on lieeseesi stills, *Welt will produce '240,000t. a vest. Now, as this last erasure, as well as the preceding one, will out iyerate till about the sth of Nov. as the present laws enable His Majesty then to allow distilleries to recommence, 1 way state the sum likely to he raised m three two months at 60,0001. Theft three sums will produce e16,e001. which is about :20001. ebuve what I will require thr the put pose sideuded. This, I think, can give us no reit-. son to despond. There less been uu fall of the Revenue in regard to stamps, but an inerense ; .no fall in that arising from the post-office, nun in the assemed tatter, but emelt have increa,eil.—The only fall of the Revenue has been in the instance of the Excise Ditties, which I &Willie, to the theasure of prohibiting distilleries iu Ireland. —That is • the . cause of the WI, and there fore we are to look to the tentoral of the prohibition as the only mode to do it away, and make good the defalcation of the revenue, and I hope it will be removed early next harvest.—Theta bulancee dose by Collectors, have, by the documents upon the table, been decreases' IC the tours of last year 150,0001. They were on the sth of Janus ary 18014, 354,0001. on the sth January 1809, they were only 105,0001. sod therefore so fur from the revenue not being properly attended toots hail been insinuated, it shewed that it was pursued with a degree of strictness and euergy surpassing any former period.—With regard to the adulation of the country, therefore, Ido not consider it in any degree worse than before—The value of the imports and exports was greater than ever it had /area; never have there been a greater quantity of yards of linen exported than during last year, with the exeeptiou of see year, a considerable while ago, when it was equiilled—lt is satisfactory to know, that while the trade of Ireland is thus increasing, the amount of the revenue has diem much mom Look to our recchatige ; it has been such as every out must know that money was coming in instead of going out ; having been almost f i n chide of last year order par. •Therciove, .! I. circumstance, and implying it to the situation of the country in other pirectil.irs, we have reason to believe that 'relent' is more ufiliteut this ever she was heretofore. The increase of the debt has been only owing Zo the Circumstances of the Empire, for the last two years ; and the ;e -rase it was thought more prudent to go on reusing our quota by a deht, than tia have rinsed it by ad ditional taxes. The whole amount of the debt of Ireland is certainly stupendous, it being already no lees than 76 millions of "mmeY end at the end of tin present mes ion t will ansouut to 81 Mil , lions--• auto which in Kutner days many thought that Ireland could not have existed under ; and "ret there is no teaiou to thlnk it will Lijiire her in her resources in any degree. I think it out fkir it should ue known that great Ittention has hers paid to ameliorate the situatims elf Ireland, to ex , food its trade, and to improve agrictilture. liy the howdy allowed, there have been te.atoo uldi tioual hogsheads . of flaxseed. brought into 1. iond ; the utemet endeamers have been used to render her iudepa odeut as to flax-seed ; and Wry, every imam have heels adopted to add to the agriculture .noel tillage of Ireland, by draining and improving the 'ergs. Large grants have been muted for int pren um: that source of cultivation and growth.— Altlion.,;ll it be usual, Sir, to say much more upon such °cc asious as the present, yet, I trtet I have said enough to satisfy Gentlemen' es to the reel situation of Ireland ; bui if any Honourable Mem ber wish fur further explanation, I Owl' be toady to go into it es far us I possibly ear. Herons eta cluditigi however. I may venture to meatiest the terms upon which the I risk loan has Laren cone batted. It has beta made its the Ji per cent. flick of Ireland, there bring given for emery tool., lea capital of that stoek. The bidding was on the treasury bills, benring interest at 5 per cent.. the 'Anus being at the rate of 91. its. iii. "upon every hundred. Although the legal interest of !re late" is 61., yet this loan has been thustontructed at au interest out exceeding in all 4I• Us- 1141; a eir cmustance which chewed theafHrtence of that coun try, and which should not make nit despair. The whole charge of interest anal Steatite; fund did not exceed the sum of 51. I7s. I Id. per cent. upon the whole of . use debt so incurred. The Right Hon. Gentleman then concluded with enovitee, t• *Chet the sum of 1.2.50,00 u Irish currency be mired by way of aneuities for the service of Ir. • ilia." Sir ion* Newroae--" Altl gli the Right Grentletnan has setter' that the tostance in the hands of the prese n t collectors has decreased con siderably within the last year, yet if the orders issued lay the Duke of Bedford, when Lord-Lien tenant of Ireland, in 11407, bad been enforced, they would nut have retrained et one quarter part of the amonnt at which they now appevr to be. The fret is. that from the period when that order was issued, the cash balances in the hands of the col lection' were reduced to 33,41101.; hut when mat ter* were committed to the Right flan. Gentleman opposite. the balatices in the stamp department, (tat of t:se poet-office. and those of the deceased and alistuiseed colleetam„ were considerably aug mented. I bare to complain Sett • a balance of 260101. should here been paid tato the hands of the Trensurer i•f the post-offii.e. 114 I Collerife it to lie a direct violation of the °Meng then iiisued. By the direction* of the Duke of Bectferd, it was also enioined, that the f ocal amount of a-issues should Ise stated in ill nee is laid trat ere Parlia ment, for the purpose of meeesinitte, male the amount of those iieitures, bit the expense of emidesnith• an attending theani but this dodo not appear to have eren en t apliot w ith...— With respect to the cries which the flight lien. Gentleman proposes, in order to raise the expro-ai of the preaeut year, I most sm . , lie is tomtit more % - - - sanguine- Ain I ine.-1,11 he 4:6oeeites that die prohibiting of new core iii breweries will raise the sum he states, I cannot imagine. As to the iisa crease of the duty on strength •f spirits, and the increase of work on still., I think they will only Mold wit a larger inducement to illicit distilleries. I hope, hoesever, that 1111 taxes will prove more pro. ductive than 1 can conceive the; are likely to be. I here one thing to impel:so upon the minds of the Committee; and that is, that it is perfectly imma terial what portico* of gross ferriage is to be raised upon the people, end paid to the Treasury. if the expensesof the dikereot boa rdsbe allowed to goon in creasing, as t. ey have done hitherto. The incidental expenses of the Board of Excise. in 1806, amount ed to 13,0001.; in 1 ntv7, to 36,4001. ; mid in 1808. to 104,01,01. of which last sum thery was nei lees than g9,uoul. paid tonne individual for printing and stationery. The is only aggravating the burdens of the people, without raising limy additional re venue. The gross pro duct of the stamp duties had increased by .16,...,1.; tort there was a delete:ohm' of no less than 44,0001. for increased expenses.— la the Post-Office too, the expenses were upon the Increase to such a degree, that out would think the nominal addition to the revenue was rather for the sake of adding to the burdens and creating jobs, than tending to the good of the public. It is la mentable to look at the increase of the funded debt of Ireland. On the sth of January, 1801, it 'involuted to gi,300,0001.; on the :oh of January last, to 76,000,0001. and now lie states that it will be next Jai.. 81.00tbottol. The debt has thus im creased at the rite of 15 to 4, while the revenue bas only increased in the proportion of 15 to 81. if the debt of Ireland were raised =the debt of Heft. within the country, I really thick that a groat part of that debt *mild Ir. done away." Mr. FosTaa,answered that he hail the satisfaction to state, that the regulations of the Duke of Bed ford hall been actually followed up. 'lrheie never wits a period when there was so little motley left in the hands of the Collectors of Excise for eontiogen" cies ; and the papers on the table would *hew it— As to the post-office accounts. they had never been settled since they were established ; and ssto the ex pense of the stationery and priding alluded to, it was occasioned by the division of the two boards, by which • completely new collection of books be came necessary—lt was natural to suppose that it should increase, as there were 14 'Commissioners instead of seven—The new arraugement, as to the past.offne, must have also occausimwd cousideratile additions to the incidental expenses, hut the pub lic would soon he able to reap the benefit of them. Mr. PARNELL observed, that when it was said. that the net addition to the Revenue by the Post office, was 68,0001. he found that the postage of one guard amonnted to it.uool. anal if each Huard increased their expense iu a like • proportion, that expense would automat to 39,0001. leaving 0,0001. to Ice received by die public. Ile conld not help thinking, that t..c great principle of the Revenue: of Ireland, was overlooked, in the desire ro: extensive . patronage, by the appointment of officers, so auto I deprive the Irish Ti.iii.sery Board of its power, and libelisg it in - the handeof the Seerstary of the Lord Lieutenaut.--De was satisfied that until an mite. ration in this particular tredc place,' mid the Tres- Wry Heard of ludand take+ efficieut port, Sr be a ~'island altogethe ,r *ad tio-se matters of Kr. venue tie put wider the Treasury of this country devotee:we. the abuse, woold never be rentedielf. The Reeilutions thee severally . put and *greed to, guiltily colic Muse resurniog, the Report was ordered to be rem eived to-morrow. • IRISH bIaTILLERY REGULATION BILL. Upon OP- to davu of Mr. Ftisve,a, the Dome went into•a committee upon this bill. when that Ri4ht Hots. Gentleman entered into it detail of its various claaseS and enactments,iand particularly enlarged upon the one relative to 6s-whiles. Sir Jowl Nit, rower said; that the question re aliy was, whether Inc smaller distilleries could can tea,' with the greater, when tit- greater had a pre ferouce of eight peace per Keno'. ? Hardly a yenr pawed in which some iikeration was not made in the system of the Irish Distilleries, which h roust consider an evidence cf its defective nature. It was agreed that the small stills ought to be cocoa raged, but tie attendant upon the small, weir,' in a great many instances, as great as those attending large apeait. so that large distilleries had already -uany erlvaiitoges, without the addition of 'mount*. here the Hon. Member proved, by re ference to the returvv of different years, that the great distilleries had-the effect of swallowing up the For these reasons, he thought him self justified in proposing an Anaendineet, provid ing that the bounty shook! nut be payable after the sth of Jainsary, 1810. Mr. IIUTLIIINSON wee sorry that he could not agree with the Hon. Baronet. The object which he conceived the legislattir.• to have in Clew was, to promote the agricultural iatereats of Ireland.-- Bonuties, by pruntotiug trade, would contribute to Ilia object, so that the I hn. Retorters amendment going to take away the inducement of bounties, could not, in his opininn. be advantageous. Colonel B Seal' said, that if the clause/to which the Hon. Baronet objected woad have the effect of suppaeasitig the sm all. Mills, he would vote ignited. it : no inch consequence, however, in his opinioo, could results In many of the interior parts of Irelands the only fuel they hail for their stiller/Oa turf ; some distinction, therefore, ought to be drawn between such parts and the sea-port towns, where roods could conveniently be procured. When the . Committee CUMe to canvidet just part of the subject, in which he could best introduce a clause to such effect, it way his intention to do an, 1 Mr. D. Ilitowas observed, that the Monty or Cavan had fallen under certain penalties for pre orate stills within it, and was prof.-eeding nt length to prove the iweessity of noes, when he was called to order by Sir JOHN NEWPORT ; who represented the iuconvenienciee that most arise feign debating all the clammy together. as every • per.sin might select a different one, and thereb y confuse the discussiou. After sotne further obser vinous on the point of order, by hlr. Duane', Mr. and Mr. TAYLOR, Mr. Beowas: emit per:ailed to proeeeil.—Fle said that he spoke as a rye-witness of the effects of fines *mod the privet. ilistilleriee of Ireland. They had a great tendeney ..t• prevent taws'. He considered the private so common iirthat country, as one of its greatest erls; it relaxed.theit ottediettee to the --- _ laws, .t tan& them eiortmlent and diJoyal. He hoped that the peinciple of "till tines would litter • a be given w i n in irellind. If Gentlemen did dot ex- 1 ert themselves to preirentt private distillation in their counties, it was flea' thd &Mona should be pu. united. • ..... _L. Mr. rattan contefttied that all the small "tills Would be clestroyvt. lie hod put the n inestion 16 several distillers, uhe b tlier it opted be ; limsteible in lerid teft any oay to encourage ilm, it", ,t h e bonnty was afforded to the was informed that it was inipMiable. W . • -to the VS.' tines of the country ntlenieZ e rvas sure they were not delicieot. tie kel liiinself destroyed many stills in his own eointy. Mr. LATOUCHE supported the eneendineut. Mr. 8111011110 did rot think that the prevalence of private distilleries was the fault of the Irish gen , tleiticia, but of the law. A different system was adopted in Scotland, and had produced sdiffereut effect. The amendment of the lion. Lorunet would have a tendency to inerease the fertilise ;it ' would also operate to put down Aim illicit _train s - • ' by enabling the fair dealer to drive the Mica mot out of the market. Mr. I'AANELII. vid, that there terprosed at this time to be many lrish distiller.' in town, of wheat • . he had asked, whether, if that Bill wee I.) panto the ' • . small stills could continue to work ? the answer he had uniformly received was, that they could sot. Ile regretted that the Chancellor of the Exclaimer fir England did not state his opinion or the sutler.% The tieutlemen of Ireland felt that. small nine ' • were uetesaary to keep down the illicit trade; yet, e necessary as they were considered, they weir .s. be ' .....• , ed from wetting.- if &a Chaucellor of the presented met held the contrary opitiiou, and was die posed to waiiitain that the effect of the Bill would .. not he to prevent them, he (Mr. P.) would be hap py to hear Ins reasons. It was stated, that the agricultural interesets *mild be served by it, hut many of the most flourishing counties bail no dis tilleries. Sir J. Nitneoar agreed that in the greaten til lage counties there were no such thinto its great stills; it therefore was not fair to attribute to thaw the prosperity of sock mintier. Mr. 011 ARA supported the amendment. Atter a few wordalkien Sir Join N lily rove. tint I louse divided, whew thlWeserPr 4lool — .....••••••• •• • ..... it now Majority spinet the Aineudiasst.... 01% been;, re-admitted, w.• found Me. ragnit.Al on his lens, speakiii,, ,, to an amend neat wiiicli had been peopested while strangers were excluded, to patent Pitishel frinn haiii/K double tines impoasd upon them. fie sir/ea tirkt the Ell with' alt it. :morisions ltail.necie to punish officers who act ed fraudulently. fist disapproved of that clamp which proving!, Bat if a still, or any . art, of a still wns found in a pari•li. the %mile 1 ,4ri,.1. -Vault! he filled. If they wished to quit Ire!and,they . .linidd permit her to enjoy the rei.ards of tier industry. Mr. MiLiultlri contended, t4tit it. was intocirsitile to take as iy the poaer or ti•ltinc, witoutti uottt4 aio injury to 'the cetiotry. I heir were imouteto of town !mods betii i g fined thrt e tones over for she same stilt. —The nienner .h..uld I.e ii.ves.-.lstf, otherwise no dercoverrwieukt Me ~. de. Mr. FOSTSIII said. that there .t, ce a he al-ewlr a by which the nosewishectoolkMcvrt - yaw wevirretyr— • punished; which :rosined it mower...miry t.l mitce do e sty clause t., •:tst'fleet into the. Bill. The tact we., t'e ,l %eine ii. , - .and by illicit distilleried., and the tuts Is of di': people corrupted. Tbei were arrive i :. 'inch .1 IlaCh as to ;IN sire WWI'S' esinetaltats. 4; (3-tntletnen did sot exert them. "elves to put the,:r tl ostr, the stveritir of the lam w. , .1 1 .1 not be the faith ; their own conduct Amin .., ••• i to • liable to the charge of liming given theta _............t. (:otonel &mai said,,that the proposition was to fine the vicinity where app, usateriAs ry were discovered. Ise was set agmost lining a guilty individual, when he could be found, b..t it was not tit that any Gentlemen Osnultl he tided for offences committed while he was doing Ins dnty in that House, That the law to priveot collusion hetween officers of excise and illicit diet ;Hers was not enforced. was sufficiently proved by the tie comets nee of 45 applications 'acing been made to fine the county of Cavan, at L..: quarter sessions. for illicit stills, while not or.e prosecution was Midi. tuted fora misdeineauour to punish collusion. Mr. D. BROW,IF. thought the proposed dense feaaible ; but did not approve of the manner in which it was supported. Sir Jodi NIMPO&T said, that he helieved the Right Het.. Gent. the Chancellor of the Exche quer for Ireland, was mistaken as to the pimish talent of officers for collusion. The evistink laws went to punish them by a *lie of 104. or to ren .Wr them incapable of retaining their office.— The fines proposed upon the parishes amounted to 301., while the tine for the officer, if guilty of col lu.ion, was only tul., which shoold be 501. at least ; otherwise fines would be levied on parishes. and officers rocreened. The finer levied 'limn the edatite of Calais were so great that at smash" use igtpo.stLre to levy them. and he erni.vssell Ike was very much • shaken in opinion as to the efficacy of tines; insteml . of having the proposed effect its tliiit coutity. Obi it distilleries bed increased. He thought the: system of fines ought to he taken into the coninieratn.n • f the Houve as early in the ne:.t Illokiletl as talcum stances would admit., Mr. PERI./ vat. said. that where collusion warn practised hj 1 1fficiers. he thought an 'holm dilate re medy should be sought ; and that there ess ari ne css.ion to 1014 it off till nest tv.sion. tie rdwouo have little hesitation in proposinz, that Officers. vo iff s mding, should be sithj.a:t eo de:Utote ta.e pigno'•/ if town lands; tile halt' of which ahoold go to a off:inner, and the other half to be appibpesated. .o some other porton*. After a tine words from Kr. Dff)fle eltV s, ty• • iod Mr. Formes', a divieloo Levi piece. iieu here oppeinid.— For the Agosodiecrit' Against It__ •I .. Ithijotity • Stragglers were not ati.;iiiit std fitted. b•rt we Ita• derstand the Bill weastbrough the COMII. &ICC ) /01.1 dba riPpOrt wq* ordered to be Wea l ?* .'p Th. alba. order, of the day weeittben disc. a liotstilbuit &tot:toed it TIMO fiseLo4:4. . : . 2•, 4 t4:41.• I