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INPERUL PARLMMENZ , HODIE,OF LORDS, Amen sq. The Navy Cosapassiaytat• List"Pß( pureed threogia a. ouneittee, and was repotted without say emenedsment. DEWTOR AND cuEDFroa. •_ _ _ The Earl of Monte Pretested the Report of the Caw sonde mpoisted ie 'squire into the Lawarrepectiog Debtor sod Csuhwy. frost which he trusted their Lordship meld sores with hits is tbinkieg Meet wee seeemity Per semedy• het the mile of the preload systfibt. There was shewlY is the tonne of the evidewe matained is tied Report, that =4W/rims trrila pervaded that department of our Lew, at a future def, would be brought seder .C.alliiier• al t 4 R s Dr.. .11.7 said, ae Per as be bad as opportsaity of causining thfi contents of the Report, be comddered a great part e tthe widens.? sae; au sot to have hem admitted, t it did sot immediately affect the subject bake, the Comerttee. Neither did he mead with the °pinkie forwid by the bottle Earl, that there waspieln tregoit tem•WHI for any particular remedy marmites the laws* Debtor god ("redder. The Earl of Monte replied, he was sure; sobrithetsidiag • hat bail been observed by the Noble sod Learied Lad (Reties/lair), their Lordships, after perusing the Report of the Committee, would be satisfied that every adipose bad been ascii in obtaining the bast evidence, and that pees eras were f mod to have hem frepient, sod melt as 'Amid reuri.ice the Howe of the necessity of adoptiag a reiemly. Runt RVIMI n • xv short)) explained, by observing be did not hoisted tie siiiielvit impropriety to the coaled of tbs The Report was i:icn laid Roos thr table, and, soon the aul lOU of the Noble Earl (MOIRA:, WB4 ordered to be printed. Mr Cha.-Dowidas, Sir Martin Foalkos, Sir James Graham, aad othrit Members from the House of Casisimm a brought op soretal titivate Bills, whwk *ere laid epos the table, and read a limit time SCOTT 11 RECORDS , BILL. _ tilt. (;iIIi .:as heard at the Ilse, wiwo he stated those argismt els • ilit L might 'tactile , : their Lordships not to permit the nbore Gill 10 pass into o Law. Imeet StOtsill•ti: them moved, that tbe Order of the fhty he abiletiarged, and the third reading be postponed. Ordered.—wAdjinireed. V HOUSE OF COMMONS. Mi. BASTARD conspluineil, that although it was knows at opposilwa, was 'mended to the Slaneheater Water-work Bill, the Rep .rt had been brought up, and the Bill hurried os,iiscosuitsseu:ly aids ►arliaesentary wage. He therefor* gape Notice of halo intention to oppose the Bill, in Its future elAgrs. A ewer:Kr from the Houma Lurk, informed the House, that these hail agreed several private bills. The Loup ADVOCATE of SCOTLAND gave wistier, that he weskit.. %)PITCI wove An leave to being is • Bill, Fele 'arc to ter Loral Militia, in heollsrol Ur. Owes, from the Fast holm House, ',resealed the anon& Aronson; of Met - employ. The Fourililteport or the Nerveyer.Geweral of the laud fiv,riiiir of the Crowa, was presented, and wrkad to lie on table. • MC. Johowl!, from the CLief flecretreve Office ifir itereentc4 m, aceettnt of the locideatal Expeusts of the Iciela Post-(llscc. Mr. Rosa brewed is a Dill, f w reenisting the Della, se Sew sod Ceder, imported from Martinique. . Mr. * obtained him to 'bring im • Rid to pre wrat Frew& spa MiipAsiniers, and ethers.— Ile Mel, the metveve fa emersiplatios, was sat au on rie; bet it eoetsieed several sew regulations relative to pssperty lust ht 1/14 1V W V igr k, Or other accident, or our cassia, sad made perms redly of frauds at ma inilictaide en slims. The Hen. (:endemism 'deriver& lirmieht in the dill, aWeb ma read s end time and ordered to be road a mead doses dos 4sy unineight , sad to be priatcd Mr. r brought is • Bill foe improving Malt Liquor fa Nedsa which was teed • dm time sad orfrred to hr mod • ocamid time es Illeuday befit, sad to be printed. Om diadietion of Mr. Hose, the Howie resolved itself in is a Cemmmittee spas the guest Scotia Trade Hill. in which scrawl fllPOiliiiol4B were agreed to. The Wiese resumed, and thillnegiort vas received ; is confinnilty to which, h UVIL WWI 'files to beim iu • bill. Ilidemas Cowes presorted a Petition from metre, Sta. dopers sad howitsalkvs of Luedim, who had Nen amhjectt Marvere peuslates, through the accidental onsia.nott of the widower of the minter, in a work which th-y bad piloted, prayed feat ether—The merits of the petition were refit rest to a enniaiitter. INSOLVENT DEBTORS' BILL. Sr T. TURTuN gave coller that tie would, on llloaday nrxt, noire for leave In brirg its a Bill for the relief of liosolvent Debtors' in that part of the . United Kingdom called Englund a n d 11 a ir s . MILITARY L.QUIRY Mr. ‘V . AIRDLS ti4re nott:e that he Antall more to-mortow f..r rs connected with the Accountant Department io the War Office, which were lit . C..-&-ury to illustrate aO/11e pail Of the Sixth Report of the Conamis,ioners of Military Inquiry. GENERAL ORDERS OF SIR )H? MOORE. Mr. AIIIRCR01111116: tore far thi- pinytrie of 1110 V• ins for severed Gene al (inlets named h) Sir Jci!in Indere ; tbiv he did to pot the Character of that lamented Criteria in its trot: ligct, and to feeslitete the di.rtission that st • likely sOO2 to take •place•. As 110 se order, had kiln-tidy been pabliehed to the %fele! 10 one shape or other, and huring been read ■t the head of each regiment, mina he in their or dotty b •ok, lie co:.rrir•td Ito nitior : teon would I D , made to their production. and then:4Kr moved dirt the Cenerel (inlet% i•snenl by Sir 3 ' .Nitiort.. to ti.e troops Kotler hif, ••oitititaad, on the 2501 i of 4)(-- thlpe,., the l lth of \oremb,•r, and su t ure 2.0, sod 30th lieertuher, ihoh, should be kid before the noose. • Lend CAITILERgAGH that no one co-ilii he ?novo anxious than I !I. r. WI for every tit .t could dace r the c tail proposrd. by the Hun. Centleman ; hut if the fluil,c made the order, would be irapriviitile for the Government to tom ph', they not h , iving the rloruiurtits iu their pos session ; hut if drat were not th • cum:, he should feel it his duty to object to the Motion. us l;e gnu curved it R very SerjOilsi quest' for Purlia:tient to call for orders issued by commanders to troops under their eortuninul. The .11,1 y fact tl, it these Orders would :to to ',Audio-% the relaxed s'ate of discioline of the troops tunkr Sin. Joint Nlncrt's command, for which there %%4. no tieee.s . .ty, such inforrinition bring already beiore ti,. those. TARIATON sitA, thst if tSie Itozht Hon. CPutleinun would refer to the ientrul's . he would find the Orders Illiole4l for. Ali ['tory Orders were alwriv-i given in the mc.st and plainest shape; and when hr eons elere l l what Lad fallen Corn the speaker, he could not thin'. hint juAtitied to refusirez these imperil, on the grounds alle..red, but that his ohjectious must arise from moat other mime. Mr. Asvarbounte said. that had he apprehend ed nay objel: would have been mole to the pro iloctioo of the papers for which he hid moved, he should hew enlarged more npon the subject.— Nothing ss.eld be envier or plainer than the mode by whirl, thsty might be obtained ; it was merely to apply to the Atntant-Gearral's O rr, asitl if net theft. toseud for thee to the rtipeetive tighoeste -tb which they had been issued. The objectsios re lative to *Akers commanding were rather extreor- Ailistry, Am he conceived nothing more desirable for the House to know than the date of the army; and he was lure, that were Sir John Moore living he would not shrink from making public to the world that which be had published to the troops tinder his command. That General's retreat to Co runna, which was by many considered disgraceful, had excited a considerable sensation ; and what de gree of stigma should be thrown upon him would be best exemplified by the production of these der* To hint that the disclosure would he un pleasant to the army was unjust ; for if any senti ment ahould issue from the army, it would he that of regret that the me:nory of their fallen General should he calumniated. Ministers had thrown the responsibility of the failure iu Spain upon Sir John Moore, which sad been distinctly stated to hare originate:) in his marching by land instead of pro reeding by sea; but the production of these papers would distinctly skew his reasons for so doing, and fully demonstrate that the starch from Lisbon to Salamanca war the best mode of dimiphuing hit army Mr. Homage supported the motion for producing the papers, and after a few Words from Lord CAM ! TLERSAGII, the House divided, when there ale peered— Ayes 37 Noes Majority against their production gt. SIR JOHN MOORE AND 31h. FhERR. On our reeultnissiou to the Gallery, we found' Mr. EDEN coinmenting on the letters of Mr. Frere to Sir John Moore. Ile said, that Mr. I had written a letter to Sir John Moore, dated the 9d of December, displaying the spirit of the people, which was conveyed hy II French geotleinon to Sa lentence, who wi s referred to for further informa tion. Sir John Moore got it on the sth, and had, on the day before, one written to him from the Central Junta.. It was most important to have the letter produced, which was to induce Sir John Moore to clisuge his order of march. The Hon. Gentleman lied in his hand what he believed to be a correct copy of that letter, which, as it was very short, he .vould take the liberty to reed. It stated that the Central Junta, military and civil, had .the honour to lay before Sir John Moore a true and just account of the situation of their armies; that General Cuicamis was fulliug back upoi Mad id, it it li an army of 13,000 men, and that another Ge neral was on the eve of Joining bins with 15. 0 00 s so that, with their united force, little doubt could exist lint they world be able to repel the enemy, and recommended Sir J. Moore so to direct his army as to llama the Frruch in their adiance. The Hots. Member contitsued, that if them • was not deep treachery in this letter, -there wits at least Wong reason to suspect it, particularly when they consi dered the subsequent conduct of General Marla; for, upon the sth, the time when Sir John Moore received this letter, the French were in quiet pos session of Malriil ; and supposing treachery did exi,t, Ito plait could be devised better than sending this man who arrived with Mr. Freres letter the very day gm which that from General Moths was received. While he (Mr. Eden) deplored the dis asters which hail befallen our army, thought it • signal favour of Divine Providence. that Sir Julei Moore did not give way to the advice he had re reived. this situation was then galling in the ex treme, through the fault of his employers ; lie knew the extravagant opinions that were entertaimal, aid he knew no one would he believed who doubted the si.eceets of the patriots ; lint althriti; 4 ll Ise did not full into the snare, lie afterwards committed an yr r;a-, for which lie was certainly reprehensible. The Member expected \lnsisters wools! say they had not the tech r of the Centrul Junta, yet he would eul,,uit las torn to hear w hat ti l er had to offer upon the subject. The other part of his uto tins, would 1w for the Fenian oo i oo g papers in the pos. bussing; of Nliiiisters relative to this correspouileuce, which in jostler to Mr. Frere they could not refuse, as his cotelstet would soon be helore the House, and to itnugitte that he never wrote a wore. to the Right I lon. Secretary on so iniportnut a matter, wools, be to convey the level e.t sea sure upon him. Ile c.isieltelesl with moving, ti net an humble ad dress he pre , ented to his Nlajesty, begging that he would direct A Cope of the Letter of the Central Junta to Sir John Moots., o r any otter paper they had on that subject to Im I ssA Wks e the House; and also for any document relative to the two letters or t 'lt: meseu 6 e sent by Ale. Frets. to Sir John :Chime." Mr. CANNING , :aid, he had to thank the Hon. \Treater. for the eery candid, freak, gentle. and sawre ntmnser its which he had brought forward ills motion, stud for Ili* insitimitions of the propriety of 111%61 4 his questions incased ; but this was Tait the tune in which lie tysitilsl enter into u Vlll4ll - of the conduct of Mr. Frere. Having said thus match, lie should dismiss those feelings which it would lint he proper to express. the !Loa. sloe, r was speaking, he did nit think proper to r ail him to order, in quoting u paper which be . had its Ins poseassion, hut expected an Hon. Gen tlettem sepesite, would have taken the tusk upon himself as he was tivieh its the lostsit of • g. up on other oceas;osts. Ile had net the letter alluded to ID Ili% peamestil),l, and consequently could not produce it.—Tate other piper's necessary for the isupeacitsitent of Mr. Frere, were to their hearts cimtcot already Lefore the House. Mr. T.CRS EY wit. (piste surprieed at the agitation of the Right Ilenetseilie Geutletosin--so out of feta th—to discomposed /A fasigh.)—lie was at a loss to in, • es. the cause; there could be nothing 30 iespardes.. • • ‘• :•: the bare mention of the sitime of Mr. F..•re. i ; • , never snore a.totiisheil, than when the Right he vould not trust Intuss:lf to oltliwer s sentiments (Ilene I Hear And lie, tie., oho had not said a word, chine in fora share of Isis onizer,'lweative lie did not call his Hurt. Friend to order. Ile dill not know he u greater caller to order than any one else (A laugh.): he !eel eertaiily called a Right Hots. Getstleinen to oe]er, when he. curate shown to the Reuse with garbled extreets, upon which he was proceeding to comment, but bedsit not think his lion. Friend had been out of order, who deserved theitkefor having eotomitnicated to the - House the letter he had read. If that letter was not in the poioeseion of the Right Uou. Cieutlema, be could not produce it, but he Moped he *edict reidilett the other pipets moved for, if writing his reaeh i s lie concluded with saying, that as he had beard no offensive expresrion escape his Honourable Friend, he trusted the Right Hon. Secretary would sleep upon his wrath, and resume his wouted calmness. Mr. CANNING said, he did not admit that to be genuine, nor did he know that Mr. Frere had ever seen it. It was not a letter from the Junta, to which Mr. Frere was accredited. • Lord Hatay Perri- said, that the motion was pot eonfi!wed to the letter from the Junta, but em braced other papers, which the Right Honourable Gentleman world perhaps produce. Mr. CANNING replied, that he had before stated he knew of none of those moved for. Lord CASTIAREAGIN said that there were no such papers in his possession, nor had they any inform,- lion of them whatever at his office. Mr. ►►'HIT/RCA, said, that whatever might be the result of this discussion, the House had at least arrived at one importing fact, from whet had fallen from the Noble Lord, which was, that he (Lord Castlerengli) was still one of Ilia Majesty's Coun cils. Ile could not help expressing surprise at this circumstance, considering that there was no less a minority against him than 167. This verified the saying, that the oak that stands boldly to the storm was sometimes uprooted, while the bullrusli, which yielded to its impulse, most frequently survives its effects. Lord CASTLEREAGH, in answer, observed, that any suggestion from the Honourable tient[man would not be attended to by him. Mr. PEICIMAL observed, that the surprise ex pressed by that Hon. Gent. opposite (Mr. Whit tared) must no doubt be confined to himself, for he conceived that after the House had expressed • sentiment as to nothing having occurred that culled for his Noble Friend retiring from office, it would rather be a matter of suspicion jibe had not obeyed its dictates. tVe were to measure the con duct of the House by its majorities, and not by its minorities, and therefore the Noble Lord's con tinuing in office was in exact conformity to that sense so expressed. General TARIXTON said, that after the warmth' displayed by • Right Hon. Gentleman opposite, who hid spoken upon this occasion (Mr. Cannuolc.) he could not help offering a few observations.— Ile (Mr. Canning) had foiraerly said. that Ito unperte was the child sad champion of Jacobin ism ; now we might say, that the Noble Lord seemed the child and champion of office. He thought it became him, in the present state of the public Press, and of the House, to give some idea of this Colonel Charmilly, the French Gen tlensaa who had been sent as a messenger from Mr. Frere to Sir John Moore. About fourteen years ago, Charmilly came into the company of • Mr. Deveretkx, one of the Irish Delegate*: to whom. in the course of gambling, lie had hest the sum of 26 guineas, but refused to par. This Mr. Devercux came and stated to him (Gen. Tarleton) , and he desired to know all the circumstances of the matter. Ilere an Hon. Minnber spoke to order, as the !1011. General seemed, all he thought. to be going be; and the course of the diactusion of the question before them. The Sensate said, that it was very difficult to assign ally hind to any debate; it should therefore he mutter of consideration with the lion. General, whether 4is: should enter into the character of a person. concerning whom no specific notice had been given. (;(31Crilli TAIII.NTOI resumed, and said he was the last man to monad the feelings of any Him. Mem ber, hot when this Colonel Charm'lly %vial{ mention ed and coupled with that of Sir John Alii-are, he dill feel it his bounden fluty to state what lie knew of him. %Ye had all learaeil "hut Colonel Char milly was the bearer of that dispatch front Mr. Frere to Sir John Moore, uud therefore he was en titled to proceed with his story. Mr. Devereux meant to challenge Colonel Charmilly for refusing, upon frivolous gnus:ids, to pay this debt of honour. sad wished him (General Tarleton) to be his second. He would not be second, but he said he world put au extinguisher upon this business, by proposing a submission to arbitrators, as to whether the money was properly won or lint. This was accordingly agreed to ; but Mr. Channilly afterwards refaced to comply with their award. Ile thought there could not be much honour in a person of this-de scription, who hal pat ...0; guineas into his pocket, by refusing to pay a deist of hocour, end yet this was the person who was entrusted with the ma nagement of the British army in Spain. He was, of all others. the most improper person to be so em;iloyeil. Mr. EDEN. in reply, saidthat if His Majesty's Ministers welt not in joceisessiou of the papers he had mentioned, he shoold not press the motion lie hail made ; but this he could not suppose war the ease, when we found that Si, John Moore was in strncted to take as a general rale for his conduct, advice, received loon the Junta, or front Mr. Frere. At a critical period, Sir John Moore Weir disegly received adeice to take the steps he did ; and how can it be supposed that Government knew nothing of it ? Mr. CANNING, in explanation, said, that the re sentment he had expressed, was, that such a mo tion for papers had been made, after it had been previously stated by hitn, that they were not in his possession. All that lie therefore corn planned of, was, thin a motion should be made for the purpose of accusing Mr. Frere, sad putting hint under the necessity of coming to the discussion of seta it question. . The Segal =a then put the motion, and it was negatived without a division. SPAIN. ...... Mr. POTIIIOIIIY rose, pursuant to notice, and moved for the production of copies of nine letters, with their incloeures, from Sir new Dalrymple to • Lord Castlereagh, His Mrjesty's Princ wl Secre tary of State for the Military rod Colonial De partment, drted•hetween the tat of March and 4th of April, 1909, together with the acumen thereto. In doing this, the Hight Hon. Gentleman stated, that his reason was, that he understand they con tained very niatvrial information, ii !red, as to the state of Sprits in the opinions of Sir flew Disk qui" and the suggestions of the Noble Lord, most material for the public service. If he could apprehend that the productivu of these docuMents mild prose injurious &Mt *that rienieo; or te 'the Officer who wrote thous, be should abS6lll O from requiring them; but he understood hoes that Officer that they could neither rove injurious to the service nor to hint. but. ow the ceuhrary, he would rather wish for their production than other wise. lie believed the "Housurable Hawker for Cambridgeshire wasin Roseention Of SOWN P RI M * to that Abet, and upon this subject; and Sir Hew Dalr'ymple hinuself migut satisfy the Homo upest that part of the ease; and as those letters were in even point of view likely to throw a light upon the conduct of Ministers in regard to their 111111 aagentent of the affairs of Bpuitr.lecould nit help persisting in his motiou, unless he Ward 'b on good authority, that they were such document,. ar t when produced, would prove injurious to theistdo be nervier. The motion was then put from the Chair. . Mr. Yore said, that as far as he wederateed del subject, he thought there would be no objection ti their production; but at the same time Le - might. say. that there were many circtionstantes in those letters that rendered them not at all proper to he wholly Laid before them. Lord CASTIAREAUIt said be 'should oppose their production, hut his opposition arose iis no degree' from any wish not to exculpate the rallied Odleer connected with them, us he himself 4S 111... Do!. rymple) wished it, but he thought there *Weld be some public ground laid for their predietion.-1 Although hi perfectly admitted that there were particular points bearing upon the general 'Kate . Spain ; yet lie mast say, that the general Wore of that information would he extramelypeejudicial to the public service, and that that part which might be produced, did not apply to the object the Right Honourable Gentleman had in view. The 'Art motion which these letters coitsiaed was much snore of a political than a military nature. Mr.Pudoettne replied, that it was quite in his power toobviate the abjection of the Noble Lord,, by adding to his motion the words " or so much thereof as may he laid before the House withoot any darner to the public service." As to the in formation these letters contained, pertly of s pali tical sud not of * military nature, he conceived that that was no argument against his metier', as he knew of nothing wore material for the Now to be Made 'acquainted with than then which was called . political operations. They were partite. lady necessary, in order to shew what was the real state of the Spanish mind before that Noble Loa began the campaign in Spain. Lord CASTLIOIIiAGII added, that he was con vinced the prediction of these letters would only embarrass and mislead ist the forthcoming discus.' seen shout the Spanish affairs. The motion was thee put, and negatived withont a division. ARMY EXTRAORDINARY. Lord HaNaT Patti stated that it waii his intro tion, to-morrow, to propose to the House a deelar- - utory Revolntion, in couaequeuce of AM intimation that a Right Hon. Gentleman opposite would vote a sum of mina, for extraordinary services. His resolution would relate to the impropriety of this being done, without any notice during the sittiog of Parliament, and without its consent. The CHANCELLOR of the Excuses/as wished to know what the Noble Lord alluded to, LOlll HaNNY PUTTY Unmated trim be allutled the sum of 80,0001. gontained iu the Army Exa' traurdivaries for transporting Portuguese firmilied from Portugal and this country to the ))ttasils, sub' from the Brazils to this country, *hide was so hot stowed unktiown to Parliameut. MARTINIQUE. Mr. lioaxsa, afte► a few preliminary observe... tiflll.l which we could not collect ; mama that there be laid before the If ouseoCopies or any rroclania lions addressed by the Commander of the lorry, to the inhabitants of Martinique, together with the articles of capitulation transmitted to this country. Thor Motion, afte► a few words from Lard Castle reagh. Mr. Marryatt and Al r.VV hit bread; was agreed to. NEWSPAPERS. Mr. HOSILIssOII " moved that the House go icier, • Committee to consider the act of the 3711 i of the King, ',halve to Newspaper.' is being formed, • Mr. Husaisox then stated to the Committee. that this act laid an additional duty of lid. open . Newspapers, iu the year 1797, and was of geuted importance, as it went to affect every per/Mr who read the news of the day. The selling price at that time was 41d. and it occurred to Goyernmeat.. • that it was impossible to lay 30 per cent. additional duties upon them, without allowiug something by way of discount to those dealing iu them, if they were not to rsi,e the price of a single paper above sie.penee. It was iliought p roper, theretore, to 4. low them a discount of ltl per cent. upon condities that proprietors would not raise the price above that sum; but if they raised it abort it. they should for. fcit the adv..ritage of tijiat discount. At that time the price rif too° sheets of paper was from 3111. to 401.; but at present the price of that article of the same description and quality, was from (ii to 65, and to an equal proportion. almost every other article in that trade had encretsod. se that if they hail a 'Profit formerly at (id. they could not have that saint profit now. Two modes of relief suggested themselves ; either to take off the additional tax altogether, or to raise the limits at which the discount should be allowed. Vona the best calculation that could be made, it appeared., that if newspapers that .sold in 1797 at ttis pence, erre now to sell at six-pence bailie:nuts they could' 'comedy be in such a good situation ea• formerly, taking iisio coosideration every charge to which that sort of property is halite. The limi tation of the price luring originally the effect of compact, he thought it would be but reasotsabk. now to allow proprators of papers to increase their price to sixpence halfpenny. add still to be melded Is the 13 per cent. tteo•ouot ; and that this swish rise would not have the effect of diininishiag the numberof Newspapers sold, nor the revenue anal from them ; and under tliow yin:um-tenet is he pea posed to the Comin7ttee. that he should none else • House for leave " to brio{ it) a bill to alter so mite% of the Act of the 37th of the Kink. as Inuits ti" price at which Newspapers are allowed to baste dimnum." After some olsservseione from 711r.JonNSTAli the CUANcLI.Lua niche Ex..hviit Ls, ti. 6 ittht/iti . . time tic; it re of • Marl ' ei ..,a bl Get Nag ti ire op th pli th