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. ;, 1; 1" ~ ~ ~ miw iL I we could send out what we pleased ; but now teed exeloeive monopoly was at an end, every station was 1 '• free as we were to go to the different markets, therefore we were bound to exert ourselves to pro. cure o market as well as our neighbours. It woe ;den of importance that we should sitet our commercial r, / ,, with respect to France. He was aware tines pereng prejudoces reler(' against its in that categry, hot in speak of those existing here ; but 'tstlid oat think it would be difficult iii a little time to remove those prejudices. Here be felt it sweep a.rt• to elate, that he by no TOMO blamed the No ble Lord (Ctesitlereegli), who lately conducted lie greetatitme between this country atid Frame., fist iiot having stipulated for nr foreid ally cot ttttt Heim! vorteessione It was destrehtle that all restrictive 'ego 'idiom between the trade of England and France should be removed, but to dove, we intuit begin at home. It would be unfair to attempt a negotiation fur a commercial intercourse, while we kept our ports shut against them—lf/ear, hear. f—Let it be comider.tl, that it was tint by a restrictive system that slits country had grown to such. pitch of great er.% but. on the contrary, that POCII • system was v liar to that greatness. It was ercessary oleo to rein see sit impression which out system corn nierce hail made nbroad. We were looked up to as' the first commercial million in the world, and it was titeriftre believed that we 11311 adopted our re •tective or protecting eystem. from ■ Caorictitiii et' its beneficial effects on our commerce. This in.- preeston it was rigor interest its well as our duty to w orm. by tittering our commercial regulations with ti-reigit Powers. The next point to which he would cited the attention of the House, was en extension ~5 our trade with India. He was aware that this was delicate subject ; that it was one concerning which He 112,1 nut to deal with a foreign Power, but a Power at house. But he felt persuaded if the Gentlemen ohs, rondoct the tiffrin of that Company hail a fair cast made out to them ; if it were amity shown that the trade between this country could be extended w'ihnnt injury to their interests, their concur tet.ce would he easily obtained. At all events, he Mi. stare they would come fairly forward and argue the subject—and if, upon inquiry, such extension should be shown to he iojurious to their interests, Ile would be the last man in the House or the 1 mkniry to lire's his suggestion.—(Hear.)----He bias aware that there was two great objections to the extension of this mile : first, that it would open a facility of smuggling in the China eras; and secondly. ,list such en extended in tererter,e on the part of this country would de range eeisting regulations, and involve the Indio Go vernment in difficithire with the Government of China. He knew that it was a di ffi cult matter to menace the Government or chi... But to these two ohjectious be would give what he conceived to he an itnansweedile argument. What was there twee to prevent the Americans from trading betweeit celesta and Amsterdam ? It was 2 thing daily dime. If ilir o this was the case, he should like to know what iciury was likely to be done to the ludia Comtis' by English vessels carrying on a similar trade ? It was urged on former occasions, that English teasels would enter into smuggling transactions. Suppose them to do so, there was a means of catch ilig them at some time. The vessel, and their coin matidess were known ; besides there were securitie s K is eo , which could alwaya be come at. But where was the remedy against a foreigner who smuggled *ends from China to England. or elsewhere? Ile • o*e, deposited his cargo, was off, and nobody could fiord leis,' or make hint responsible in any other way fee what he had done. Teen comes the argument, t'iai ouch an extension of trade would involve the Ifs ' dila Goernment in difficulty with that of China; bat it was known that the Americans hod for a consider stile time carried on that trade without being in ert...etl in tiny such difficulty, at least we had not be er s! of en e....ehy could not this country be ril.r.weil to carry it on in • similar manner? Why should it not be open to our own merchants, es well us to foreigners ? Besides, this trade would I.:ie to this couittry a commercial intercourse with the Spanish colonies in South America. The trade in the 'lichen seas would be wonderfully im p reyed if opened to the spirit and enterprise of merchants. That trade was now carried on by Americans, whose vessels went from poll to pert unrestricted as to their tonnage or ally other di:qualification to which British traders were sub. J..:i. Let this trade be thrown open, and it was impossible to say what 1111Vilit4gra way 110 t be de rived to this country horn it—from the ingenuity, enterprise, and industry of the merchants of Liver pool, Bristol, Glasgow, and other commercial sea. loiltl4. At ell recut., enough was liftmen to shew thst it would be an improvemett lap the eamtimerce of the country. —/Hear, hear.i.s.4le begged . pot dun fur having trespassed so lung on the attamtniu of the fj o u se .—fejesee, hear./—He was sure. that whatever proposit ttttt of this nature was levitated to the Company, they would meet it with that berme' sled deliberation which the discussioe of so Mows-taut a subject dean mile& lie believed lie kid pretty ge nerally posited out ilio.e alterations which lie Can. r.•;•ived practicable is our commercial spleen. Hews' sour that the House would feel with him, that the cecomstanees of the times were such as to call lot the initiates' inquiry, on their parts, into every poveible memo of itnprovieg their trade and coin- Illt•Pre. It was their dui: to chew to the country, that nothing practicable was left untlane to contri bute to relieve those dismisses under which so many Lammed. It was siatteal, when any portion of the ceoetry felt distress. Oust they should apply by 1 ,0111011 to Parbouient for trite!, and it was th e duty of Parliament to she w that they adopted every means in their powsr of afforthog it. He kliew very well that there were many mid severe distresses, which it was out of the power of any Parliament to remedy. Ile recollected the lines of the Peet— .. How small of all the ills which wee endows., The part welsh Liege or Lords ma mosses eves." But It was the duty of Parliament to turn their snoods seriously to the qaestion—to slum the people that their wants were soot neglected—to let they ere! the( 41U WI feeling or prejudice operated, bet that all. however differing 011 other points, were wowed ess tins; by doing this, they would du more to gases that &embed feeling—to set at rest than *miry passions which arose ill O gent measure bon distress, tine end/ be dome by ally other wawa. The ftea t .'lotestleene, alter eatereug that the Peti tion be received, sat down amidst loud chests ken ail aiiges 660.110esse. .d is . 11 • The. Petition was then brought up and reed— /fir which see THE BEtTISII PEES! of WtdoeS• Soy, April VA). On the tineation that the Petition ea lie ea the table being pot, Mr. GUENFFLL row. After the table and On. (rent speech of his Wm. Friend tau the fltew (11r. Baring), it would he idle to Imo to attempt *mitring into the tothieet. Bait as this was a subject mo m which lie had before delivered his emissions, hr hinted' he might he allowed to express It,. sptmnta limo it now, and he stostored the House. that is th.ing so h e shoul.l not ask, op mach of thvir if! begged then to state, that he gave his hisonble bait most hearts. coneurrs owe in every principle committed its • the Petit• , and on witty advocated lay the Honour able Mover ; and lie begged to told, that in the House or out of the House, lie would give its prin ciples his moss sessions and active co-openstinit. Mr. F. tioatosou —As no other Gentleman seemed do.ouseil to tine upon this treat' 0000 hr felt it necessary to offer a kw ofittervatiuus on the goes lion an ably introduced by the Honourable Mover. He hoped t he ..amourable Nlestillier and the !loose 11-1 would do him the justice to believe that he was • fully sensible of the extreme importance of the stabs Jett before them. He lowl ellwAys givete it ent his amnion, that the restrictive system of comseserce its this country was founded WI error—View., hear'— ' and calculated to defeat the iihj.-et for which at was ariopteil.—(Hear.)—He had 11.. t the P 112111014 oh jeCtilM to repeat these opinions nosy. The Hatt. AleMber (Mr. Baring) lard dune him the honour to pay him some compliment*. to winch he slid not con crave himself entitled • but he must my, twither did lie conceive I elf or his colleagues tit-wiring of the qtmlificatiou which was tacked its diem, namely. that be and those with %slows he had the honour of acting, had a sort a sympathetic ferliog. end went on from year to year, looking more to their offices than to the interews or the people. He might bare felt differently on this question, and hr admit tad that he dill feel differently from some others with whom Ire hod acted ; but on questions of this not tore, awl particukily wt that of the transit be met with more opposition from the other thou from his own side of the House. Therefore it was that he felt the restrictive system so deerly rooted, that it was difficult to induce any Gent lettoot to op.. loose it. This it was which iorveestr4l bean from carrying his penieiples into effect. But on looking into the question, lie found that the flonntirolde Alember and lie agreed as to the general prowiples; they agreed, alt all evenly, that it was impowittle all at once to alter our co' 00000 Itylotrlll. He was by DO means pretwisd to say. that upon an inquiry; void nitwit arguing the queattini, many practwol ittl provrments could not be mule. In intuit of Aware considerable hherstei 0000 had been made, and a courts &ruble rtlantot ion bail taken place to our coosinercial emulations within a few years. Within the east Iwo or •Phree sears, three C Acts premed one of -Richard 111. tow of Edward 11. and ante of Eton. • both had been reheated. Tie lion. Member would ;aim recollect, f lhr Report of the 'Lords, tae Mural of duties an 300 opus some of which -Sarre deities existed, soil opium other' there went a total prohibition. The next point eluded to was the duty on timber. He felt ito thliitulty in saying, that that duty required Ninetidnient ; and it wits his intention. WI 11w cootse of theY &woo, to prat. pose such ortatnlzrmpot to Ilan House.' That objec tion lie did not dis t iate, and lie must ray, th in all the rommunieatintis which he had with the in teremed parties on this subject, hr hail told them that he was determined to propose such ailtrrietion to Parliament. He overt, with the Hoot. Member, tlsat the importation of timbre from the Balsa! was preferable to that from Calmly; but at was wily fair to soy, that the duty oil timber ow l oa t a ( t ast y of protection, but of revenue. there .010 r duty befote, but that of 'MIS was a revenue duty, and it ap peared to ham Leeway, to make an alterstiim. The Honourable Metniirr's nest point was the Naviga tion Laws. He fully concuri ell with that Honour able Member an saying, that the Navigation Law. were liosirie to the lice commercial intercourse of the country. {tut he would say, that the injury so sustained was but as a feather in the scale compared with the great advantage detired Lan those law. in the protection and 'safety of the c ry. By the strict enforcement of those laws we were able to keep our naval force and protect ourselves in cases. of emergency; but lie isiss• fee front saying that' even isi these laws there was out roots for release, Lion and improvement. Indeed, there were steady improvements now so operation. but tl.ey were so scattered shoal in different Arta of Parliament, that it would be idle to attempt toimint them ont. With respect to the trouts'' entire. he could not deny what had been *NM by the Honourable Member (Mr. Baring); ludo-rd. Ise said endeavoured, though intauccesslully, to alter thins accurdnig to what he contrived to be the conomellinal interest of she country ; hut lie land met wills much opposition. whether from the effints of • Noble Lord connected with Ilia trade, he would not my, but so it was, dill be was unable to itoslisce ilor.e connected with and interested in the linen trade to concur with his slaw Or the qevalsoo. He did sot, hove err, dna& it' .difficult to skew those persons that t hey were in error. With regard to commercial trestles wills Foreign Noe'., he had stated lets (opinion on a former uc. cocoa, tit tt au long us the country rigidly continued its restrictive regulations on the merchandise of other nations, it would be useless to expect them to shew any favour to British commerce. One ob servation he load listened to with pleasure from the Hon. Member opposite, which perhaps would be as dipleasing to his flonouruble Frieuds. He alluded to the praise bestowed ma the Goveitintent by the Hou. Member, fur not basing sinetupted to force any Treoty lair the loruefit ul British commerce on any of the Allied Nurse. at the time of making the peace, either as um advmstage for this casuistry. or ito a putobleatrot to any other. With regard to titmice, it was not prudent even to attempt ai forgo • eiatiois of that kind. Grist i.rsj tidier* rutertoutied .411.1 both side', isot cututnet vial nut 11411011111 pre— jedices. prevented it; w respect to which he would • soh that soothing could be more foolish, as nothisig was more ungenerous and unjust. than to repine, as ;pay had reputed, at the is e n sw esity of F rom m :The best foussilatioss fur the weevils of any traffic •Ilsiv country mild establish *llls Frosnce.-the beet lief:only which Europe cossisl 'lsar illt she older said tranquillity of litasice, was to we her taste the ad vaistages of pewee said commerce, which would maim tar IttioCtO4A ca. Oi to • forget those advantages, With regard to the state of the regulation', it was, no doubt, a subject of infinite importenee, es from the Manner in which it had excited tlw public mind of late, it was One of great interest, aid if soy Member opposite hail any thing specific arid s alutary to propose, in doubt Government was prepared to hear mid cion.ider it. hot for his wen part hr could not persuade hintrelf that there isus any thin, , an radically wrong or mis chievous in the system poi to induce the Government to alter it. All that he could say. was, that On erroonent would listen candidly to any proposition from the other side, especially when so candidly • timed as the petition hail been by the Honourable Ntrosiber. A• to the Corn Laws, hr thought that lie had stated Io i ttt self cleaily enough to make it perfectly understood. the last time the question was agitated is the (tonne. that Gayer ttttt rut saw no reason for issuing further reatricotous nil the imports. He begged pardon ; he had almost for gotten to reply to the remark, reepectiog the huhu trade. Let it be remembered. that trade was a question of compact, mod the Honourable Member ought not to have averred his feelings to induce him to propose any observations to the (louse which were likely to olrive them into any thing like a breach of 'while faith. The House had no right, in honour, justice, or common fairness, to pal the bolos merchants to an abatiolonment of those advantages which hail hero so deliberately ceded to them. Mr. Pit tI.LIPS said that there was a great chew of concurrence and fairness in what came from the other side upon commercial questions, but very little good resulted. He'thought that if Ministers were as much in earnest in support of the best po litical economy as far :is related to commerce, they could have nu mole difficulty in enforcing such p • iples tbau they had in defending the Droll* of the Admiralty. Upon this, us upon other general principles of policy. the sentiments of Administre ti were liberally divided, but that division ceased to exist the montrot any masseur was pro. pitied to carry those principles Into effect. It be came the Haute, at any rate, if they could not re. Inset their steps. at least not to advance farther its the Walt track. The wool tax laid on by the last Parliament, he considered as one clear exam ple of the impulicy of the restric tire system. He did not know, as there were no returua yet, what had hero its effect in England ; but its Ireland it had been quote contrary to the intention entertained at the time of lotto:oils,/ it. Mr. K. Douutiss deprecated any expression of party feeling all 11101 a question. soil thought it unfair to suppose or insinuate that Xlmisters adher ed t o prep. sit unawares knowi n g them to be contrary to the general welfare of the country. He concurred however in the opinions entertained by the Hon. Member, sawrN as those rep raised by the Presideut of the Board of Trade. The business oldie House was certainly to Ore what plait could be adopted to excite and revive the drooping industry of the country ; and the beat way to go about ouch a labour was not to be arguing our partial interest spinal soother, but enter dispassionately and with. out favour to any class into the consideration of the necessities of the whole. Mr. BIAUSIONT said, that it the system of corn. menial restrictions was so constructed as to operate partially. and ant in aid of the general welfare of the co-miry, it was all imperative duty of Ministers to rrcois. n her it.. It was wrong in them to expect the turesures of remedy tocurne front the Opposition side of the House. Ile gave hie concurrence must heartily to new measure for the removal of the re. . *metope reg u l.tltmns. • I. • Lord Mum' had heard the Petition read, and • the speech of Ilse Mon. Moyer, with the greatest -satisfaction ; fur if any thing in the present state of thectionotry was calculated to give ease and pa tierce to the irritation and distress which retailed. it ,neat be to see true principles if commercial pls . hey adopted by so enlightened a body as the merchants of the City of London. His astisfactiou had, however, met with some alloy. Oti such questions there should be no supposition of the in. tercets of constituents. It was lamentable to see the agricultural interest scrambling, if he might use ou homely a phrase, for separate advantages as they had been. The manufacturers were not more wise. Here was the mischievous display of partial interests. While labouring under difficulties eel*. reedy. they did tot feel that it was not the distress of agriculture or of commerce, but the general dis tress of the whole couctry which they were suffer ing. If they could get the country at large to look at its distress in this point of view—and he did root think so badly of the good sense of the I people as to suppose that they might not be per emoded to such a measure—the separate edvantages of each would speedily be surrendered for the be nefit of the whole. The House had beets told last year that five millions were necessary to be raised to support the credit of the country.— Certainly the result bid proved that the Chancellor of the Exchegner was either not in carotid in his belief of his own assertion, or that lie was as very poor prophet. If his (Lord Miltou'o) observations were Wetted tout the time, it would be remembered • thee-1e doubted the effect Of such a measure for supporting the credit of the country ; and that the best way was not to misuse more taxes, but to enable tie people to pay those which were already itniotteed with facility. The ;prat variety of !Prejudices P.hich tended formed the greatest difficulty in the say of inanrovernetil. Some ascribed the whole existing evil to the poor rates. As to this matter, it was well worthy of consideration whether the eysictn which had been pursued for some year* past had out uniformly had the effect of drawing capital into a smaller numerical possession than before. The ex. tinciiou or the small capitalists necessarily increased the claimants au the poor rater, and 8o ',volubly that *loch was considered as the cause. was merely the effect of that which it was supposed to hare produced. It must be obvious that the wealthy classes had rout by any menus Wen tilt sufferers in the late 'protracted struggle, He much feared that all tin- suffering and Frivatiou had fullest on the labouring classes, not Oa the great capitalists nor on the great hooded proprietors. With respect to commerce, he leered that there was it blameable pujudicr iu all countries of amnia fetes weenie teatis—a resolution to ipropegate alto:les which the aid was not calculated to bear. Thee same übser. votress would be applicable to agriculture—but Oat e n he apprelieudeo, the memo of defence wets Desteristory to be secured than the INICIMPO of coiumeice in a station like ilia; its an oilier dant° . it was folly to spend a Catkin more io producing Them than their cost at a foreign market. He at. tributed no small Sl►ar. of the present di.tress to the return to cash payments, mud lamented that ►.o one had before premed the considerstion of it on the House. He was afraid that Ins Hon. Friend, the klen►l►er for Northellertoo, haul not duly esti mated the danger of that procedure and its effects. He rather hoped than feared that the depression we, at the wort. The five millions proposed by the Caaueellor of the Exchequer had tousled out as yet to 1n no more than one million. He thanked the 11 , .... !U•wer fo► the Petition, and bi. manner of brio t ;i•og it before the House. %Viten the body of Liiiallos, Merril:MlS skewed themselves so much tar telested to the question, the country most be int pre.ped with the difficulties which surrounded it. Mr. Ricinvo defessuled the return to cash pity. Metal*. !be eon„ try reverted to that Me SOUK with a &gar of ease and facility. which could scarcely have been expected. Ile objected to the exclusion of agricoltuie, ur any taller branch of produce, being excluded from the principles of free and unrestricted competition. If. indeed, the lauded proprieti.rs could skew that they suffered twculoar bortkos, they would be entitled to the advantage of restrictive me:tourer to put them on a 'noting with the tither classes. 13u1 was this the case ? To be yore the poor rates might be con ►idrred a burden peculiarly pressing on the land, but it was shared by the other classes in a very heavy degree. The owners of houses paid large portions of it; but then a protection for the price of corn did not affect them. He was far from wishing to revert to a free system suddenly.— Those who had einbaiked their capitals in different branches of trade under the prohibitory and re strictive regulations, should have time to withdraw them again. The example of cash payments he considered as a perfect plan for the gradual re moval of partial regulations of any kind. The effect was spread over a great spice of time, and the incouvenience felt during such period became in is manner insignificant. Lord MIII.ToN explained. Mr. ELLIcII supported the prayer of the Peti tion. He differed from the Hon. Member (Mr. Ricardo) in his estimation of the return to cash payments, as lie considered that the loss was a great deal more than the difference between the market price of bullion mid the rate of payment **signed to the Bank. One fact spoke volumes. Every article, ',wept corn, which was protected by pro hibitory duties, had fallen sitter that ►etutu from 20 to 50 per cent. The dist►ess and alarm wereex erbrive it Scotland. The&Alley had lls poor rates as in England ; the consequence was, that the cap,tieliats withdrew their properly precipitately; while in Lancashire, where the deficiency of wages was made good by the pro• rates, the maoulat tures kept rather on the increase, and if something was not done, the manufactures of Scotland would be destroyed altogether. Mr. MARRTAIT was not averse to the prayer or principles of the Petition. But he feared the in terests of the financial department would clash with any pmpositiou for au alteration of the com mercial gement. Mr. WiLsori spoke nearly to the same effect. Mr. BARING. in reply, was surprised at the ge nera' concurrence with the principles of the peti tioners, which was enough to make the House won der why they had gone on an long under a system so full of acknowledged defects. He replied to Mr. Hicardo's observations on cash payments. The depreciatiou in the currency on the war, toed Met on the present price" of articles, made a greater difference in the value of the engagement than the Honourable Member seemed to itosgiue. He con ceived that the debt was the grew cause of depress ( woo. In dealing with that, the country was tint required, in fairness, to do more titan observe the letter of the engagement. The return to cash pay meads and the consequent depreciation in the value of commodities, amounting to at least 25 per cent. was equal to a bargain to pay so much mo►e. When he saw. as the general result of these. a de- creasing revenue ■nd commerce, he could not but think that the country had undertakes§ to do more than it was able to perform. Mr. RICARDO rose and said a few words in ex planation. The STCARER then put the question, that the Petition do be on the table. when Mr. Iticaeho rose again. to beg. if consistent with the forms of the House, to add one obseeva.. tint', which was, that inasmuch•as the currency, it consisting of two metal-, would he subject to more veriat ttttt s than if it only consisted of one, so far lie thougla the proposition of his Hon. Friend would be an improvement. Mr. BARiwe referred to the French currency in stopport of hot former statements. The Prtiti tttt wit theu ordered to be brought up and laid go the table. Mr. FINLAY presented a Petition from the Chamber of Commerce of Edinburgh, of a similar nature to the preceding. which was brought up, laid we the table, and ordered to be printed.. CIVIL LIST. The Crixtvcer.t.un of the ExcHreura moved the Order of the Day for the Howie going into Committee of Supply nu the Civil List. Iu ruing to move this, be hail, he said, no explanation to make, ur way prorivition, beerosse he thotsght the arrangement made in the year 1816 haul effected every oileantage which they had calculated upon. Ina luenni hi the argument, which hail her.; orgril for ✓ previous inquiry before any rertlt meta of the Civil Lest, he meta that so far from ittpory having always precede.! 11. iu fact the money w.s is general voted upon a simple usesvage (ruin the Crutvo. The Civil List. as insw classified and arranged. had pievritird the accumulation of arrears, and in every respect. • full Sell complete check. Fur a long period of base before the revolui 1111 l tory Ica with France, there had Ile linear accrued us the Civil List. but the rise which mirk place slier that event in the price of eves, rettrosary of Isle cau.ed the Civil List to become insufficient for its pur pose, and large arrears accrued ; it was therefore. le 180-41. milinutted to the iiivestittat ttttt ni a Parlia rimistaty Committee; they inside a report, rend a further provision was made. Fruut that period to 11114 grouts were oceasivatilly made bona the DMUS, wlawls pearreisted any Comitlrrable acconsus basun eierreen. The aashject was there *gabs briroglit beiftreir Paslasuseut. etul “ MIS &Med Lieu that the *saws ssfr gesiewediteire tbew sasesibied to 144,000% per annum. A forth*, increase wi ll then made, and in the year 1815. it was itzi A brought under the cousideratimi of a in consequence of whose Report the Civil Last 044 arranged as it now stands. and the follawiog edition. Cages were the result:—l' was relieved 143011 vs, ninny contingent and ocessional payments, 011.1 int effective check afforded I. prevent misuse. anal go int the interest of the. public ; and ttiou.4l) of stas is consideration. yet it should he roamer did ettriti 4 its advantages. that there was sin hunger the Olean., to the permits halving small pensi 111 l s or Ilalanle•, was formerly the whets the Civil List as, 4r (pithily six or 'tyro quarters its smear ; of economy, the public tritercbt was Ortirlit&l by the arritigeinent of the establishment of 1816, t, the amount of 135.0001. He thought. theienire, that he was fully justified in callitig 1 1 . e House for their approval of that rata:ills:mo os % The estimate now before the :louse 144. soh as in ISIS. The Privy Purse only was 1•••16,,.., in the first class ; with that exception th e •11..; e the first class had fallen In, a n d was trot i i the a...- sent estimate. The Right flores..Gentlem iti cnn. chided by stating, that if he hail qosnteil auy there would other opportunities error when ,re. would be ready to give every explaiiation so bus power. He then moved shat rise llxitwt sal the Committee of Supply be now read. Lord JOHN IlliSityLt. said, it was with recs . :de,. able pain he rose to oppose the motiou of the Hon. Gentleman. Ile *horrid have been forpm the Ministers would have saved him the by granting that time for inquiry, %stitch he thought was indispensable for the House to have. though he confessed he hail hut slender hopes at' success, when he otwerved the learning, nit, aunt eloquence of au Hon. and Learned Genticuuni sot a former Leming, had tint induced else 'alas isiru to accede to Ida demand. Ile would put it to toe House whether. as represeitLiiives ( the peoph. newly returned with all their i.romises situ profes sions scarcely from their lips, it should be said they had accepted a Report lomight dawn by the Moen ten, which hot us e-iliird of their Menthe:shad had all 11p1h.II 1111 l ty of exatatiiiiiig—ur whether it sliou!‘i be Enid, that after the fullest reanimation and in. gutty, they had conic to a decision ante their J 011 , 4. memo fully informed. This latter coarse would, lie contended. he not only mere beneficial to the King, but also more satisfactory to the country. The first consideration was the lime, a time 'Owes the camplaints of all classes or his Majesty's sub jects resounded through the country. This assists sal distress he must in part attribute to the resum i n. lion of bullion payments, by which a difference had beets made to the value of the currency of not less than 25 per cent.; so that it would appear that the country, hottesd of lo:.viog hail o reduction of taxation, had in fat t laboured under a burden considtrobly greater than at the linter period of the war. la this state lie must at least pause before he proceeded. As to the Civil List itself, if it was the most perfect that could he drei.ed—:if it exceeded iii economy the American Republic—still it was the duty of that House to look folly into the sohject.—(Hear )---ff • large suns was to be voted to the way the Right floss. Gentleinau seemed to think it right—stern lie would say the Ileums of Common, was perfecily and it might be full as well that the sumo ',rioted by his Majesty should he inserted in the GOVIIt. without the ceremony of coming slows , to that House to propose them. There titre s great own s — her of useless officers still retained. The Noble Lord here instanced the Grciim of the Stole, whir l s his Majesty whets Itegeot had 110 l hail, and who r l, therefore, bethought could slot be requisite to sup port the dignity of the Sovereign, or fist soy other purpose hut mere-using patronage. Ass to the officers of the feudal King. such as die Master of the he raid that when they were estahlished the onkel' were effective r and had certain duties to psi - fauns. The Noble Lord thought shit those woo segued for the existence of those °Merry now, might ?condi, contend that Isis Majesty. instead of having the furniture. the luxurious invention of voider.' times. ought still to have cleats straw for his listi/ mid rushes for his chamber.—( Hear, hear. f-114.1 Lordship here adverted to the Report of the Cont. 1111iire of 1 1915, for the amount of money secei slot belungiog to the ordinary revenue of the Civil List. amounting to seventeen millimit and upward,, not any part of which had been giunted by ment. He thought that this was a siring wo o . t i e d there was some vice its theorignial emicovtouti of Ilse Civil List, and this vice, lie thought, was the notion' of sttll pitying the 'whole espensestif the 4.1.11 govern ment out of it. 'flee Noble Lord his reprobated the pritetice of paying the &oilmen:a out of daft rent Nod.. and the isphcoruin of having such officers as the Rat-killer of the Palace paid out of the *ague fund with the Sovereign. Against the motion of tut Hatboro! Learned Prieto!, on a former occasion, lie Hobert' hut two arguments. or rather be would , ape two pliritsee, for they could out lie called or,•;istneuts. There were." Stipendiary King," and " Insulated King." As for the first, it was • very lit argument fur the lime of Charles the Second. but gra. a vtry strange objection, at the present clay. Frosts the paper which Ministers had hid upon the table, at appeured that the exceedisigs of the Civil List hail been mainly occasioned, not by any extravagance in the Royal Household, but in expenses to foreign Alinimerr, amongst which he obsei bed one to the Nliiiister of Ferdinand VII. on the occasion of los rertor•ition. lie would ask diet . ) whether it cool.' not he ugo %Idlest' to the Croon to {hire such charges separated Amu the expense* a the It-).11 I lutist:hold ? As to the " insulated King." he tl 1111 l g ist the *rphl111(111 or 11111141411011 would hr l•etieticisl rather than datigerous, for the irrupt ssolrut watts:ice of politic., even Cubbett himself. sores r mixed up his shocks on the Kingly office with his animailversiotis on the Ministers. The Alittisi era indeedi,lsa}'sdr- I sited a lwii in waist of .oppoit Ihraesrlvi') that the people would rally mood the thiolie, wail then they made sure of that sitppoit which then. measures slid not deserve. It most be it benefit to the Crown to have it separated, fur it would hardly he believed by a comma imoser. it lookisic oolong the item, of 11w Secret Service Money (that beloved and popular branch of the expettilitutt), he should God that Cistli.s. Oliver, and Edwards. were to be paid its protect the Croon (rum utspopularity, and to give it a splesolour winch it did not of dwelt possess. 'fire Noble Lord dims adverted louse Chief Jeatice of Cheater sitheig iu that House. solely empheyed hoot day to deny z .