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with her, te tgek,•that men up tothe period of this inquiry, the Duke had eat dwiertud hew - • Q. limo *Le stated. any dial/ la you opebtbat subject 4e it oilier , year lapel—A. She liae"eakl those kind of ' s thet ihaiugulf *kg 44444-- sock as that the le, was aile44. to preside Fes but. ou a smaller establishment them lemberly. (By /Ur. BRAGOI Ilsemeasr.) Q. I wish to know whether • you n.preseuted yourself as herons coy influence with the Duke of York ?—A. Not no the least. Q. Then bow case it to pass that Mrs. Clarke employed you to solicit favours. which, according to your nwu account, you understood slut was able to procure herself cannot account for that. Q. Did you ewer ►eprrreut to Mrs. Clarke that you had any itilluence with the Duke of Portland ? —A. In, Sir. (By Mr. WHITIRS•II.) Q. With whom did you represent yourself to have any, so as to induce Mrs. Clarke to make ap plicati )))) to you ?—A. I did not represent myself all Ivivins any influence whatever. Q. 11 ids whom did you represent Tyndal to Levi any influence?—A. I do not know, Sir. Q. Then we are to understand that you and your party were placing money in the hands of other N to get a place, without knowing through .whose medium it was to be obtained ?—.4. / did Hut knew. Q. Did you muke any application to Chtike ou any other t.ubjtct tlimi the liquidation or the debt due to Manner* ? i. i do nut think 1 did. By Lard Foutyromt . .) Q. When dud you Ice Sir Ceor,, ,, e Hill ?—A. On Saturday morning'. Q. Were . c)u to reeri% e advanbige from any of those trans:n:6one, if they 114 d been e.iirieil auto effect r. Q. What were 'our motive,. for undertaking such negoclations ?—A. To oblige Mr... Clarke. Q. 11 ae the application as to Lodowic to oblige Mrs. Cho. l—A. Ver. Sir. Q. Ar, with Mr. Lloyd No, Sir. Q. Di( on aver atite Y leuer to Mr. Llo:.J A. No, SA I do not know Q. Are you vo te certain ?—A. I am 44. Recollect yourself; did you, or did yau not write to Mr. Lloyd ?—A. I iio not rceolica that I ever did. I tidal% Itney . say I aiii certain. Q. Did you ever nee Mr. Ididowic ?—.l. No, Sir. Q. Who first spoke of Mr. Lodowic I. Mrs. Clarke. Sir ; hut I do not know what acquaintance they bad together. I wits to make application to Mr. Tindal. I was also employed to tu• o hms Mr. Williams to Mr. Tindal ; and also Mr. Thompson. She applied to we to procure these situations for thew. Q. Did you represent }autumn' t having the means a doing an ?—A. Q. Did you ever sub• y ou %odd :apply to a third perAou to procure these bituutious I d o h ot thiuk I ever said that distitiatly, but' .uid I would inquire. . _ Q. Ton are certain of that Yes. Sir, to the Ilea of wy recollectiou I said I would wake I: I. quiry. Q. Did you ever 'mote Mr. Tyodal to Mrs. Clarke ?—A. Never, Sir, Q. Who intrielueeil Tyndal to you I m e t hint froqueiitly ut a place 1 had used to gu to. Q. ‘Vhere war Ilia kalaire ?—A. At a Mr. Ru. laitsuall'a, u Solicitor, an Ilartlett'a.buililia g e. I used to sec him there when I Ensiled occaaionalty. Q. Diii you ever see Mr. Herber ?—A. Once I c.ineil on him in Uniou-coutt, to maks inquirer about this busniess. Q. What was I.is answer ?—A. lie did 'HAIR** that any thing had happened'. Q. Do you know what connection there was be tween Barber and Lloyd ?—A. No Sir, I do nut know there was any connection. Q. Are these the only transactions of this nature in which yos have ever been ‘mgaged ?—A. I do not recollect any thing else for which I applied. Q. Recollect youraelf I believe some others were mentioned, but nothing done. Q. What were dame others?--A. There was one for si clerkship in the War-Office. Q. When was that application made?—A. In August lust; but I am tint quite realties. Q. Had Mrs. Choke any thing to do with that ? —A. Yes, Sir, she asked me shout it. Q. Did yon undertake that at the request of Mr-. Clarke ?-1. I think I did. Q. Are you sure p—A. I think so. Q. Was the procuring of that situation effected A. No, Sir. Q. What were you to receive for that ?—A. No thing et ell. _ . 4: Wa.4 any one to receive any thing for it ? A. I do uot recollect. Q. What rum %vita offrred P—A. 3001. or 4001. Q. To whom dill you apply about it ?—A. To Mr. Tytulal. V. or w loin was that situation applied ?—A. do not recollect the name of the person. Q. You ba%e how mentioned this clerkship in the War Office, hesides the situations applied for by Lodowic, IVillinins. Thompson and 1)awsoo; do you recollect any other I—A. I do not recol lect any ether. Q. What Wll3 the place you negociated for Mr. Russell Manners, in 1:40 ?—A. 1 do iiot recollect any one. Q. What was your transaction with Mrs. Clarke in Itio6 ?—A. I had no transaction whatever with her in that year at all. Mr. &honeys having mar ried my wife's sister, lie wished me to cultivate her acquaintance, in order that through her influence with the Duke of York the settlement of his ac counts might be expedited. Q. You have stated that your acquaintance with her dropped from 1800 to 1907, on what oc casion did you renew it ?—A. It was at the Court Martial at Warley, in Essex. Q. Where did she lire when you next saw her P —A. She lived in Ilolles-street. Q. Do you know what month that was ?—.l. I cosmos speak positively. Q. Did you call upon her ?—A. She wrote me a Ilttereepressing a wish to see me. • Was it spot to obtsin some place for her ? A. I do not recollect that she ststell her object. Q. When was it that the first of these transom tirina took place ?—A. I think it was in August. Q. Was the Clerkship in the Wor-ORice the first transaction which took place alttr the Court Martial ?—A. No. Si, it ww the appliestisst tar r. Thumps's. Q. Was there aay traaiiittioo• brewer, *um lee useutioasit, that way bar.- escaped ) ear amp. worn but slick epos rectillectios, yea yea atas *Ws 140 Sir. Q. Did you ever prosecute those inquiries to success t—A. Never. Q. Then wit.. it out of pure .good nature that you at all interfered ?—A. I thought A would oblige M.e. Clarke, and that she would probably be the means of accomplishing wy object of get- Sing Mr. Manueries recounts liquidated. Q. Huw could you suppose that she could do that, when she had evidently an little intei est with the Duke us to be oblq,,eva to apply to you iu order to accomplish the objects you have muted ?—A. Because she told we that she was still in some de gree under the protection of thee Duke, and had iuterest with him. Q. Are you quite positive she told ynu so ?—A. She gave sue to tuselerrtaistl she was under his pro• tection, uud 1 bed uo resew.' to disbelieve it; but. on the contrary, to suppose it was the ease, for the rreweu I hive itientioiscd, her stating the Luke was about to reduce her 11. Did it nut occur to you to mention to her, that if she had that influence with the Doke of York, she had more influence than y ourself ?—A. 1 never gate her any reason to suppose else hood. Q. Where was it she told you su ±—A. It was in going down to Colchester. Q. Di. you reei.lleet ever having written to Mr. Lloyd?—A. No, Sir. Ily another Member.) Q. Dow misty intr.rviews do you .appose yon have hail, at different times, uitli Sir. Tylei 11 ? A. I have no idea-1 loom 144.4.'n him frequently. .Q. ITh you 11111111. In rant of fact, that its no one of those isitcreiews you have eter inquired of his Iran whom those appointments were to be pro cured ? %Vere you not prompted by curiosity, or any other live, to do so ?—A. Ner-r, on one 0CC0,,11111. blink mem that or look; bo suo,,, I asked Air. Tysidal. after prey ;Jig loin to have it eirecte4, what channel lie sup!) mist it would come through ? I think lie answered, it will come through the Wellesley interest ; but I thuds he named sea particular Q. Did you never hear mention any other chan nel for the other appointments ?—A. No, Sir. There was only that one occasion when I put the question to him. I never asked hint until the third appLeation. 14. What did he state to you ?—A. lie did not . , htittl: any thing to me. I did uot know that he had any intevi st of himself. _ Q. Had you ever been employeil in any other Lases Imsitles these ?.--.1. No, Sir, octet. 11 LT..) Q. State whether Mrs. Clarke gave yon any hope or ;Islam to suppose that auy of these rituu tiuns would probably I,e u!itaiti ii ?—A. I had stated to me the purport ef u lot ,r written by the Duke of York, intitustiog that he would give Mr. Mamma what was siti!able to his rank an I Coady. .This comusuitication was made by Airs. Choke to Mr. Al:timers, and not to me; but Mr. Manners af terwards stated it to me, but l do not think I saw the tatty Q. At what fiat, did that pass?—A. Airout mouth of August 1906. or i.erhaps in Jul, . Q. Did Mr. Nliinuers state to you from whom he had the letter ?—A. To the bait of my reetillee tiou he stat e d, that it was a letter written by the Duke to Mrs. Clarke, which she sheirerl to biro ; but I do not kuow whether be had pi it in his pos session Of Mt. Q. Did on see Mrs. Clarke- afttrwards, and had }ou any conversation with bar as to the let ter?—A. 1 do not r.•collcct that 1 said any thing to her upon that subject. Q. Dud you speak of Mr. Barb- s business ? .4. I do not recollect that l di,i, at , 1 gene rully raw her in company with Mr. Manners.—.lr. Murmurs has been of late abroad. Q. !lave von conalasete,l Lis affair. since ?--A. No, Sit; he has, iu fuct, no ■ttities to conaluct. Q. Did you effect all this business grvitsitosisly ? —A. I hell no remuneration, but I expected Mini ners's account to be settled. I often mention ed it to her in 1808 ; but she never ...ill she had mentioned the subject to Isis Royal but I should have thought she had intitletiCe with bilu. even to the moment of this itoiesiry. (By another .11tasher:) Q. Do you happen to know whether Mrs. Clarke has any account with the house of Bird. and Co.? —A. 1 lieLeve she has. (4. Who proposed that the money should be lodged there ?—.l. I think it was Mr..Tyndal. Q. Ilas it ever happesiell. in any tr iiisoetious of this sort, you hare had a credit of u si nth it nature —A. Yrs. Sir, I believe it is cusluuriry, but I hose no cxperieuce of it. Q. Iles it never happened th d the money should he deposited at the Houle .'s w!sere you hare hail a credit No. Sir. Q. Dol 31rs. Clarke wake the find !imposition to %Arts. or you to her ?—.l. tr. wa, Mn.. Clarke ; I think it wus the ease with Thoirip4ol.l which oc curred tirAt. Q. What was the language she card )0u?...A. Thut she wished to grt a coiseinission fur ilia ; and I inquired how it could be effected. (By Mr. Dsvis.) Q. 1)41 the Bankers allow any interest?—A. I apprehend not. Q. Are you perfectly sure they dill nut allow you four p.:l•Ceut.?—A. I rather think they did not. Q. Was it at Colchester, or upon the wav to it, you had the conversation with her ?-1. It was upon the wily, we went down iu a pent-chaise to gether ; she called upou me, as elle understood I was siiminonieJ to go to the Court Martial, auJ I said we might &swell gn together. Q. 1/id you give evidence upon thateonrt Mar tial, that you had not seen Mrs. Clarke fur some weeks reroofing it ?—A. I thiuk, to the best of my recollection, I said, I had not seen her hong August, 1.,014 till she called upon inc lately be fare the trial. Q. DO yule not say upon oath. that you had sot seen her at all during that period ?—A. I do sat recollect that I did ; I have no idea of it, and I would wish to see the minutes of that Court-Mar tial. Willa) . are uow before the !lows.: ; I might be Mistakes mpg" this trivial circautstaace, ps it did rat ware* foe. (By Sir Ososos Waxassepa.) Q. In say conversations you had with Mrs. Clarke, es to these trousectious, was the Duke of l'ortluad's muse ever tueutioned Upon uo uccasiou was it mtutioned. (By Mr. liutatssbic.) • v. You have stated, that about two months ago there were no hopes entertained by you, or li) Mrs. Clarke, fur the situation applied fur, for Ludo% ic, what cireumstauce induced you to sup pose it impoesible that it would succeed ? —A. I learned it froin Mr. Tyudsl, who said he thought lie could nut effect it oo account of some new arrui.geineut that hod taken place. Q. Why did you represent the cause of its not sureueding to have hes% the inquiry as to the Con vention of Cintra ?—A. it WWI merely because it was during that inquiry. Q. Theo you were led to hope that the appoint ment would hove taken place us moo us the Court of Inquiry was over ?—A. I thought so. (Cy dawdler Alemsber.l Q. Were you acquainted with the hand-writing you were slie%% a ?—A. I do nut recollect that ever I saw the letter. (lig Lord FoLKSTO N Q. Were you ever engaged in any transaction about writerships or cadetships to laiditt?—A. Sir, excepting once. I think, a person asked we about a cadetship. Q. Who was the per.on ?—A. Mr. Donovan. Q. What did he ask you about the cadet,hip —A. De asked sue n healer 1 could procure it. Q. When was this P—A. About sie week, ago. Q. Diet ,)ciu inquire?--A. 1 ca. Q. What war the rrault I foun.l th.it it might be procured. I inquired of this cone .11r. T tidal. . . Q. I, the bitsine , is its suspense now ?—.l. Upou my word I c a nnot sal. Q. !low lung is it since you lust sight of this ?—A. I Wiese a we 1 ate,. 44. What was to hare In vii paid in case this transaction had been concluded ?—.l. I do nut know that any particular sum was uteutioued, un less it was one of 1501. Q. Tu whom was that sum paid ?—.l. I do not know, unless it ans to Mr. Tyudal. Q. What were you to have ?—A.Nothiug at all. Q. Pray, Sir, are von a lawyer?—A. Yea, Sir. Q. Are van aware this was an illegal transaction ? —A. No, Sir. Q. Are pm aware of that now ?—A. No, Sir. Q. Was this the only t-ansactiost as to cadetships or.writerphips to India ?—A. There ens no other. Q. Mow long hure you been arquainted Mr. IJonovatt ?—A. I cannot recollect. Q. Did you manage Mr. Donovan's% afrairs ? A. \o. Sir. Q. h o w long has Mr. Donovan consulted you, or rcipiired your assistance iu such trausactinsis ? A. 1 do not know. Q. Do von know a person of the name of Glib son ?—A. I do not recollect %%lilt lwrson you mean. Q. Da you know Ur. Gtb,ots. of Coventry - st rept ?—A. No. Sir. Q. Do von know it pt-rwm of that name apply ing fur a tide-waiter's place No. Sir. • Q. Did Dottovau newer mention him to you ? —A. No. Sir. Q. !lad you e►er any co►respondence With Clarke N—A. Yes, Sir ; I had oue letter. which I believe related to the Court.3lartial, aud I think about some bills of exthauge, for a she was afraid of being- arrested, it co:twined siotlutis rela tive to appointments ; it was writtvu Y lew LIN) b before we ptut to Colchester. Q. When did you last see Mr. Donovan?—A. On Friday last. Q. Is it cititotnnry to deposit money with bankers in the way ur whit h )uu have butted ?—.k. Idu nut speak of my own knowledge. Q. 'fell the Committee whether you can now recollect having been concerned in any other trans action than those which you have stated N—A. No ; I do not recollect any other. (By Sir J. ItAce..) Q. You have stated to the Committee, that you are an attorney, du tou commonly do business this way Were not you paid No. Q. Dow can yea afford to act without payment' •—A. I do a great deal of other business. (By Mr. WARD.) Q. Cats you nut , sculled one circumstance in which Mrs. Clarke said that she had influence with the Duke of York ?-1. NO; I only gathered it from her general clitsveniation. Q. Do vou know any instance of her having procured, (ruin the Duke of York any eiturtiuss for ally person, since the latter eud of the year I%* ? —A. No, I do not. ,(By Colonel 11'oota.) Q. Would you hurebeeu uwaious to oblige 114ra. Clarke, if you hod not thought the bed iuflueuce with the Duke of_ York'—A. Certainly not. (By Mr. Surros.) Q. At what period tii.l Mrs. Clothe rime to yon, that Air had been reinitiated upon a minced eau- Mitihnient ?—A. At the time of our going down to the Court Nllurtitd. The Witness then withdrew, and Mrs. Cis& ke WAS called in. (By Lord FOLIVITUAL.) Q. 'Live youitity letters or papers of Mr. Manly, which you would wish to give in ?—.t. Yes. [Here the Witness gave iu several letters, wiper, she wire desired to withdraw, apes a gamins *riming as to their originality : It was determined the aim„ -writing should he proved before they were read as evidence, and Mrs. Clarke was ovum called (By Lord f outorose.) Q. Mrs. Clarke. look at these letters, and say whether you know who wrote them I—A. Two of diem are from Mr. Barber, and the others are from Mr. Manly. Q. Are those von state to be from Mr. Malby Isishand-writing ?—A. Yes. Q. Are you positive ?—A. Yes. Q. Have you seen him write P—A. Yes ; often. Q. Have you seen Berber write ?—A. Yes. Q. Have you any other letters ?—A. Yes ; have three from Colonel M'Alalion, but 1 have lost the others. Witness withdrew. _ _ _ Mr. Canna% objected to the letter of Colonel *Mahon bring rcerived. me he was convinced. from what had be on a former evening. that they conld not be relevant to the subject. • Colonel Nl , Mautii; said, that Mrs. Clarke hid stated. in her last etain!tiatioun that .he-would eit hibit nis letters to 'mow a proper colour upon her evidence. He came down to the Hochie with a v i ew or jii.i‘titig upaa those letters being prodliced. From not having kept copies, and from the length of time since he wrote them, he Coal nut pretend to say what they pertained. but be thought lie could safely undertake to say that they did not bear upon the present inestion. . Mr. Commit said. he Imes sure the House would not' sutler the time of the country to be wasted. by— (Here the Honourable (ientlemau was in terrupted by a cry "Goea / Go ear scam panted witlulaughing.) Mrs. Clarke was again celled in. Q. Hive you any other letters T—A. Yes; 1 hare o.iu from the itrchhilitrop of Tuna, recommending Dr. O'Meara ; and ripe of Geu. Clavering. which I nave thought proper to produce, as he stated upon his examinati• m that he never consulted w e ou military ntlairs.—filear ! Hoer !/ titneral Claverimf taring tweet • a distressed man , when only a Colonel. I particularly interested myself for hiui with the Doke of York. 1 gave, him a district—ea 1.410 /- —rind got hint made a briga dier-General. lIt• iifteram ds applied to me for a Regiineut ; and I argue to the Doke of York for bim shout it ; and here is the Duke's letter in an swer. in• which General Clatcri,g's emote is men tioned. Here is another letter lroin the • 1)u kt of York, about Dr. ("Mem, in NI id he said he would serve Mtn if poisible.--liter! liter Aed here i, a timber later frotn Col..bel w, com plaining - of being put upon haLf-puy. Witness a illairew. A conrersotion ensued upon the propriety of relidirr , these letters, iu wind) Mr, l'i.irk.era that those letters whieti bmt been proved original, might be read, bkit not throe of the linke of Voile. Upon which it was urg,..cl, that is hand-writing 'night also be proved, mini 2drs.ClAr ke wining:nu (By Mr. %V mcw.E.) Q. Irthim (..bewito the letterb) the haul - writing of the Duke t ir York"?—A. re . Q. Have you stew biw write?—A. Yes ; thesis his own regular hand-writing. addre%stsl to -- Far quhar. Esq. the inside of both or them are his oa regular writing; but when lie wrote to Ins, lie used to write " Mrs. Clarke" and the direction its a feigned hand. Q. Dow Caine you by the Archbishop of Taam's letter ?—A. It was left among Dr. O'Nleares p.. pers. When I returned his other papers, this let ter was by mistake left behind, and I only found it about six moods. since. Q. Dow cause you by Colonel Shaw's letter ? A. 1 think it cause from Coitus, the banker ; he used to direct for use tkere under rover, and I think I roceired it from a private Instal. Q. Du you know Colonel Shaw's letteeN—A.Yes. (Jig. Alsmout.) • Q. Did you ever we Dr. O'Meara write ?—Yes. Q. What is Dr. O'Meara ?—A. Ha is .n elerotman.• Q. 11'here was the Archbishop's butter found ? A. A it my papers. Dr. O'Meara wrote for it, but Termld net then and it ; haviug since Laud it, I preserved it. Q. 11 Imo did Dr. O'Meara receive tb it letter ? —A. I believe a few days after it With written ia 1806, while I live4l in Glouvesierplatte. Q. What ut re you to do with it?—A. I oils to shear it to the Duke of Vork. Witne.ss withdrew. awl the Clerk proceeded to read the several letters she had I reduced. The brat was a short hote, signed B. Malby ss making inquiries about the payulastership . .of the second battalion. The next wow dated July tut; signed It. M. asking whether she could, by all inetiiis, forward Mr. Mant.ei , 's act:phut ; also iu guiriug about a cdtumission in the Stith regiment. The third letter was dated Saturday ve • to it be.zitit in a very complimentary stile, in the writer teKtired Mrs. Clarke, that she tru:::.l e gait( a treasure its clay way to and Jeeretury t L f Star. Load laaghiag.j It concluded with statiii, 4 . that he was qui t e goaded about the pnymast.trship of the second battalion, and was s igned It. Malby, The fourth letter said, that uu:ess the paymas tership was ready. the money must be returned. The fifth inquired whether Mrs. Clarke knew of any payinastership in the East India Company's service ? The next inquired whether Mrs. Clarke knew of any one who wished for a plat.e in the' Bank ? This letter was dined ‘Veditesday, Der. 7. A letter of Mr. Barber was then read, dated Tuesday. which stated that it wits impossible to pay cash into the banker's hands- that day or the next, as the looney was in the Bank; but 1 3 0 apprehen.. %inn was to be entertained, as AIMOill teas tke order uf the day.--(.4 laugh.) A allude:, of forms of receipts were then read, when-- Sir (:. amt. roar, and expressed his anxiety to hear that part of Mr. I.llallsy's evidence which re lated to histi--(A cry of ordrr ! order! ire! so !) Ilse Hum Gentleman said, he was partienlarly anxious to inform the [louse how he became ac quainted with Mr. Malby. The Fishmongers' Company ',maimed several estates, and he was 101 W of their truants; Mr. blalhy trausacted their business, and used iis cousequeuee frequently to see him. IVlsess he came to town, lie often partook of that Company's hospitality, and on those occa sions saw Mr. On Sutiml.ty last, when coming down LuJgate-hill, be met Air. Mulby, and jocularly said to him that he room!. by Mrs. Clarke 's testimony, that he was her Doke df Portlood.— her. Malloy wished to coutihue conversatiou with him on the subject, and called upon him next morning, when be asked advice him he ought to proceed in this lssiaem, mid whether it would ba prudent fur him to call upon Mr. Wardle? The Ilmwurable Burt. told bun, be thought he had better not ; hut advised hint to attend to the sum mons of that lion. House, until answer plainly every question that might he put to hies. He also advised him to go to other Members whom he knew, as belougiug to the Fistunnotgare Com pany, and ask thesr advice. The lion. Gentle. man was about to 'same those elsont ha had inserted to. when there wee a general err of ilks No owl the Ckrk proceeded to testi the reassioitig letters were nearly ea follow _ . " G&W 11V3Isloaw preemie bie tostplimetats, sod it grew that ha Ms out boil it is kis row to wait ova we. 1""