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MI nude I •' :` K i l , N lre, he would call the attestio a of the Committee to the state of it wthat House of the number a - pregame sod causes trie2aS in a large district where threeffifths of what is called the broad trade Lamaism during the last seven years& distinguishing the hundreds were carried on in thls district 8 there could be no improvement in hose which they were sent, the expenses paid by the Sheriffs for the exercise of labour—no machinery could be used. How, he the Judges' lodgings, and the fees received by the Under-Sheriffie would ask, was the tradesman of this district to compete with the - from the earliest period from which they can be made out.—Or. foreigner, who was free from all those restrictions to which the per dered. sons emeloyeel in the broad trade were subject? He k -ew it was REPEAL OF BOUNTIES ON IRIS H LINENS. *skeet why the Individuals employed in this trade in London did Mr. A. ELLIS presented a petition from Tipperary against re - not transfer their capital to other quarters, and carry on the trade pealing the bounties on the exportation of anise linens. The lion. where thew would be tree from these restrictions? To this he would (lent. observed, that though he dbeapprovell of bounties in getteral.vet answer, that it would be impreible for those carrying on the trade be thought the House should not legislate ter Ireland as it would "for for perhaps a half a century in London, to transfer their capital ; England ; it should be recollected that in Ireland there was no they could not remove it elsewhere ; the two operations of having capital, and therefore the slightest check on any particular trade capital in one place, and carrying on trade in another, could carried on ies that cotgliky was of the 11104 serious inconvenience. not exist in the same hands ; they would obstruct each other, He thereforelioped that this measure would be reconsidered by the and in consequence those who had large capitals would withdraw Right Hon. the Chancellor of the Exchequer, and that he would it from the manufacture and retire ; and one of the evils can not persevere in his intentioteof withdrawing the bounties. lie re- plained of by the petitioners in the present Bill was, that there marked, that during the late trqubles and disturbances in Ireland, was not time enough given for the withdrawal of some capitalists, those parts of it (the west and south-west) where the bounties were and to have them succeeded by others. In France there were at allowed were in a quiet and tranquil state, which was attributable to present no restrictions on labour ; all the distinctions between la their hands being in full occupation by reason of these bounties. bourers in the metropolis and the country were annihilated. La. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER sale, that if he bout was in that country free and unconstrained. Ile was most could persuade himself that the maintenance of the bounties was ready to admit, that taking the duty off the raw material was next calculated to promote the welfare of any of the, m anufacturing t o t eei ng th e duty off the importation—the most important mea classes in Ireland, he would at once d esert the princ iple that he had sure that could be devised to effect a successful competition. But set out with ; hut so far was he front being convinced of this, that ; to give a chance of this competition, the English tradesman should he was sure that abstaining from dealing any longer with bounties ibe able to procure the article as cheaply as the foreigner. As far as was the best method of conferring effectual advantages od that our market went we had great supplies from Bengal ; there country. He was aware that the announcement of a n intention en , were also great quantities still brouget from Italy; he believed the part of Government had produced some alarm in Ireland; t but , that half of the best silk imported was brought from Italy. In he telt that this would soon subside. All that he could promise ; Bengal there were two descriptions of silk ; one, which was worth was, a return to his original plan, viz. that the repeal of these I about Ila. per pound, was brought to this country ; there was ar bounties should be slow and gradual, and that they should be re- I other, of a cheaper description, worth about fie. or es. fel. per pound. Ouced by annual portions of one-tenth, to commence on the sth of I This low description of silk reser found its way to his country, January, 11125. If he thought that any other course would be pro- !or if edit], it was in such smell quantities es not to be available to slue ire of benefit to Ireland, he would be both ready and happy to I the manutacturere. It was of great importance to the trade that adopt It. ' cheap silk should be imported to the country ; but it could not be Sir J. NEWPORT and Mr. HUTCHIN SON urged, that • longer , done from Bengal until now, as it was but lately that country had period ought to be allowed before this gradual reduction should I began to recover itself front the monopoly of the East India Com commence. pany, and it was only within a short time that silk could be Sir R. FERGUSON hoped the Chancellor of the Exchequer I brought into this country by private merchants. Orgasine was would persevere, as he was convinced the system of bounties was brought into the country, and the vast importation of it he consi a bad one, and he fully approved of their removal. ! dered a great benefit. This was chiefly procured from Italy, with and Mr. CALCRAFT remarked, that the Chancellor of the Ex- I it Was notorious that we could not enter into any comparison chequer waas in a dilenema. lie was by one party to con-' the Italians in the effects of the silk mills, though our mills were tinue the bounties, by another to repeat chem. The advice of both I much superior to theirs. Between the two countries, England and seemed to him to be given on interested motives. It should be re- 1 Italy, there was such a difference in the price of labour, that the collected, that although there were no beauties at present existing tradesman sheuld charge here eight shillings for what could be pro m Scotland, yet all their trades had been ffistmetiond encoueel ' cured in Italy for four shillings the pound ; thus the high charge by them, and that they were not relinquished until those t rad es of labour prevented this country from entering into fair compete were in full vigour. This was unlike depriving an infant trade of tion with the foreigner. France had also • decided advantage, them, and which bounties had alone induced people to aitivaice that if her own supply failed her she could come into the market of ' their money in such concerns • and he contended that the eff, et of this country and buy Bengal silk, take it away free from ditty, and stopping those bounties woul d to bring the paeans emeloyed in put it into the loom at four shillings per pound cheaper that. the' those trades to the last stage of distress - and if, therefore, such a English manufacturer could ; arid how, he would ask, could consequence was deducible from it, he thought the bounties ought our manufacturer, thus circumstanced , meet competition ? to be continned. Another argument by which to sltew the utter inability of the silk Mr. EL Lis and Mr. V. FITZGERALD said a few words, after manufacturers of this country to compete with France was, the in. which the petition was ordered to lie on the table and to be teriority of our machines. It appeared from the evidence of Mr printed. Hale, who visited Lyons about the year 1815, that there was a par- DUTIES ON FOREIGN 'WINE. 'titular machine constructed for the manufacture of figured goods, Mr. T. WILSON presented • petition from the importers and which gave such a facility and superiority in the manufacture of that holsters of foreign wines, praying tor a diminution in their duties. article as to surpass exceedingly the mode of its manufacture in this Some observations were made on it by Mr. Wetter and the country. The invention of the looni and other machinery by Sir CHANCELLOR of the Elton tomes, when the petition was , it. Arkwright for the cotton-manufactuse, did not introducegreater ordered to lie on the table. • improvement in that branch of manufacture than did the machine' Mr. C ILCRAFT presented • pet ition from the silk - mercers ' he was alluding to in the silk-manufacture. Although a patent residing in the City of eVestininster, complaining of certain hard- , bad been obtained in this country for making this machine, yet ships to which they were liable. Petitioners thought, and with ; only sixty such machines were as yet made, although they pre propriety, that equal indulgences should be measured out to all. ; vatted generally over France. The great advantage of this meettinc They aitirm, that the Lords of the Treasury had put a construe- , consisted in working off figured goods without the intervention or tern upon an Act of the house, which could never have been with- aid of any person. When Alt. Bale visited France, there were in the contemplation of the legislature . It was a p e c uliar hardship I twenty-six thousand looms at work, and of these fif t een thousand that silk dealers should have pieces of silk as large as from one I were machines ef this construction. With such advantage, how hundred to one hundred and fitly yards, and because these pieces , could any competition be entered into between this country and had a fag end, or what was technically called a drop lee, and when I France. with labour cheaper, greater facility in the production of this end was cut the tradesman was not entitled to the bounty. material, and improved machinery ? To open the competition so Many of those engaged in the silk trade, who had • large stock on soon as was proposed would be utter ruin and destruction to the silk band, would not he entitled to a bounty on one fourth of that stock. trade of this country. France, if her own resources were not sufli- It never, in his opinion, amid he the intention of the Legislature, tient, could procure thrown silk at four shillings a pound cheaper, that silk, which was cut for the sake of sending a pattern and sample, than it could be procured in this country. from the cheapness of should be subject to such • restriction. The answer to this ob. labour. It might be said that the protective duty of thirty per', juice" he knew, was that it was not intended to give the bounty to cent still extended • security to the trade in England against the retailers ; but this evidently could not be • correct answer, for exclusive preference of French silk ; but it should be remembered.' when the individuals engaged in the retail trade thought proper to that there was no difficulty whatever in evading this duty, and deliver their goods into a warehouse, they became entitled to tbe from the inquiries which Mr. Hale made in Paris and elsewhere drawback on all the goods which were not cut ; this was clearly ex- upon the subject of the trade, he was offered (from the interest he pressed by the regulation o" the 11th last March, and had a general took in his inquiries) to have any quantity of silk imported into this reference to the trade, that it the retailer sent his uncut country at ten per cent. over the cost. This duty, therefore, instead goods to a warehouse, and took them out within thirty days, 01' a protection to the manufacturer here, was a bounty to the smug., these persons would be entitled to the drawback ; but the Lords of glee In Cbins, it was well known that silk goods were tuanufac-, the Treasury lied thought proper to add • word not at all mention. c ured at half the expense for which they be . could manufactured inl od in the Act. They added the word " new" to the word " uncut," any other part of the world. America now resorted to this sod by this means the retailer was deprived of the benefit. It was market, and therefore the demand for milk goods in Eng- a peculiar hardship, that whilst the Member for Coventry. who land and other European markets was diminished. Under watched over the interests of his constituents with a real and assi- these circumstances, five years. and perhaps mote, would, at deity that did him credit, should have procured for the inhabeants least, be necessary before this country would be provided with' of that town a drawback even on ribbons, worth twopence the machinery and other facilities, which might at all enable them to yard, and upon every piece c o nsisting of as few as eighteen yards, cope with foreign production. The sale and manufacture of' the entire of which was not worth more than three shillings, and silk prevailed principally in the period intervening between the' that others would receive no bounty for silk worth from ten to fife close of Winter and the commencement of Spring. The operation teen pounds, it' the tag end happened to be cut off', to be sent as a of the present Bill, therefore, weed not he felt advantageously to pattern. Did such a m e asure as this., he would ask, run on all the interests of the silk manufecturers of England, during the re ferrers—was this consistent with equal justice? He fully agreed sent year. As to the next year, from the apprehensions naturally with the petitioners, that equal indulgence should be given to all entertained, and the-approaching period of the competition, those parties, to the retailers as well as to the manufacturing interests. now engaged in the trade would be unwilling to exposed capital In • The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER thought, upon future in it. Persona might now gladly avail themselves of the the who'e, it would be as well if the discussion were deferred until drawbacks which were removed. They would gladly put the mo the House was in Committee, otherwise there would be two de- ney in their pockets, but would not be found ready to embark fresh bates irstead of one. It wou'd, in his opinion, be time to discuss capital, or endanger their present property, in a competition to the matter when the argument was heard. which they had lad so many disadvantages and difficulties to coo- Mr. 110BHOUSE said, a petition was prepared for him to tend against. lie was therefore instructed to pray that the Coon present tai the Howie, in consequence of something that occurred' mittee would extend, at least, the time for bringing this Bill into on Friday last ; until that day his constituents were not aware of she oPeration, in order that suitable opportunities might be afforded operation of the law with regard to them. They were alarmed in for preparation tor competition, should the Legislature persist In consequence of what happened In the House on Friday, and they deeming it expedient to adopt such a measure. In laying the were most anxious for the discussion of the measure, that the fair- case of the silitenanufactures, and those concerned in it, before PPM of the measure might be seen and investigated. His coned. the House, he had confined himself to the mention of those tuents also complain that compensation has been given to others, prominent points, which, to him, appeared most worthy of the and they ask why it should not also be given to them ? If this consideration of the Committee. He had briefly compressed the compeneation were not given to others, they would not ferljustified sentiments which thouprincipally concerned entertained on the in costing before the House, for the purpose of interrupting • ma- question, and was thankf ul for the patience and indulgence with sure, the principles of which received their approbation ; but as re. which the Committee had honoured him. (Hear, hear.) The nit:aeration had been granted to two other great classes of persons, Learned Counsel then withdrew from the Bar, and several clauses they felt it requisite to demand it for themselves. He had taken of the Bill were read by the Clerk. the liberty, when he brought forward his motion respecting the The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER rose on the window tax, to foretell—and it required no great skill in prophecy— clause relative to the removal of the drawback on silk at present in the difficulty in which the Right Hon. Gentleman would find him. the warehouse, or entitled to the proposed reduction. The Bill pro ✓ide In hit introducing this measure to the country ; and he also Poled that this reduction should extend to silk goods of 300 pounds stated., that those for whose benefit the measure was introduced, weight. With a view of meeting and satisfying the objection taken would not be conscious of it, as the Right Hon. Gentleman had by the Hon. Member for Wareham (Mr. Calerafte that there not as yet proceeded to the reduction of any direct axes . Ile should be a limit to the boon extended by the Legislature, would be thought it a hardship and a grievance to come before Parliament easily conceded, as it was not supposed that it was intended to ex with other measures. tend to every silk-mercer who might have quantities of silk for se. The petition was ordered to lie on the table, and be printed. veral years upon hand. Ile felt the force of the peculiar objectioa SLAVERY. urged by the lion. Member, and was aware that whilst this in- Lord CLIFTON presented a petition from the inhabitants of dulgence was proposed to refer to uncut silk, there might he pieces Gravesend against slavery in the West Indies.--Ordered to lie of it which were cut only for the purpose of exhibiting patterns Of on the table. the silk, and in perfect fairness he thought such pieces should be LICENSED VICTUALLERS. considered in the same point of view as uncut silk, and entitled Is .Mr. LEONARD presented a petition from the licensed vie- the reduction of duty (liar, hear.) An exception, however, should Mailers of I:1y, praying for a repeal of the duty on licences--Or. be made in respect of thole who had cut pieces, for they had al dered to lie uti the table. ready profits on the part of the piece which they might have takto l COALS. from the warehouse, and therefore they were not entitled to the be- Lord J. RUSSELL presented a petition against the duty on refit which the Bill was intended to confer. Agreeing as he did in coals.—Ordered to lie on the table. the propriety and force of the objection taken, he would himself LABOURING CLASSES. propose an amendment to the clause now before the Committee, and The same Noble Lord gave notice that he would move on Thurs. suggest, that After the words 300 pounds in the clause there be in day for a Committee to inquire into the situation of the labour- sorted, "and all entire pieces or such cut only for the purpose of ex leg classes. hibiting patterns thereof." WOOL. Mr. CAM:RA/el felt the fairness with which the Right Hon. Sir T. LETHBRIDGF. presented a petition from the mans. Gentleman met the objection he had made, which was only cone fiteem,„ o f wool in the town of s ue d e , praying for a repea l of apoating to that just and liberal manner with which he treated all die ditties on the stock in hand. questions relative to trade. (Hear.) The pro ,"iety with which he The CHANCELLOR of the EXCIIEQUER said, that as it I sacrificed the objection which he (Mr. Calcrato had made, chewed would be more convenient, and would prevent any detail, he' the advantage of discussion on the question, and bow advents- would state to the House how far, and to what extent, he world I tagcoua was the interchange of sentiments and opinions on such agree with the prayer of the petition. The idea he had upon the ! matters. The Right Hon. Gentleman had acted well so far, but subject was fiuggeeted by the persons concerned in the wide. when ; the evil was yet uncured ; and from what he had done, he hoped it was on a former occasion brought before the House . These per- Ihe might be induced to go a little step further, and extend the sons gave it as their opinion—and he had adopted that opinion, and ; proposed reduction to pieces of certain dimensions; he did not would act upon i —that it would be most conducive to the interests , mean that every remnant should be entitled to the proposed mes e the manufacturers, if the !eduction took place at two distinct • sure of encouragement to the silk trade; but thought that it might periods—lt 3d per lb. was taken off on the 10th of September, and with propriety be extended to all pieces consisting of 30 yards. the remaining 2d. upon the 19th December. This was the best Ale. WALLACE said, with respect to the 30 yards. he had a plan suggested, and it was his intention to attend to it. He did considerable objection. He conceived that the disposition of the aotemipuee to make any return of stock on hand. Hun. Member to limit the allowance to that quantity, was on the The petition was ordered to lie on the table. same principle adopted by the Worthy Alderman opposite (Mr. JUDGES IN WALES BILL Alderman %teat!) a few nights ago ; provided he succeeded for his On the motion of Mr. JONES. the House went into • Can- coustituents in the City of Loudon, tie cared not what became at mime on the Judges in Wales Bill.—The Bill was read, and Or. the country dealer. (A laugh.) Why limit the drawback to the& dared fat further consideration on Friday next. quantity ? Why was the humbler dealer to suffer, and the advao- SILK TRADE. tags coofir.ed to the larger dealer? On the motion of the CH ANC ELLOIt of the EXCHEQUER, Mr. Alderman WOOL) said, he had stated no such thing as that the. Order of the Day was tend for going into a Committee on the attributed to him by the Right Honourable Gentleman. lie had silk trade several petitions front country dealers to present to the House, aed The House having resolved itself into a Committee, his sentiments were with them. But the Chaticellor of the Esithe- Yr. Harrison was beard as Counsel at the bar. The first quer perhaps did not know, that frequently splatter quantities sentmem of the loarnedilentleman were inaudible in the gallery;— were cur out of the loom—less quantities than thirty , yards. He when we heard him, he was reading an attract from the resolutions was for going with the Right Hon. Gentleman in favour of the of the other hunch of the legislature, that the silk trade would be small dealer, anon- allowing that to him which had already been destroyed if immediate support were not giver. to it. Ile then granted in the case of the ribb weavers. quoted the Rth ce Geo. 111. which impaled large prohibitions on Mr. Alderman THOMPSON said, he was quite sure, if the artielas of silk imeorted into the country. There were various Right Honourable Gentleman went • little further, he wouldea- Acts of Parliament granting protection to sill articles of the menu. I tisfy all parties. It had been said out of doors, that the draw b ack tacture. Here he would state a part of the iteport of the Committee would amount to one million ; but he held in his hand a statement on the subject, which asked, why, as thetrade was not as yet brought front a most respectable individual, largely concerned in this trade, to perfection, should not protection be granted to the branch carried and, according to lids calculation, which was as accurate as human en by machinery as well as to others? The manufacturer also be. calculation could go, that drawback would not amount to more than I bound under another great disadvantage--the raw material was 250,0001. lie hoped his lion. Friend, the 31ember for Wareham, heavily taxed ; this was a vital obstacle to the manufacturer;—the would move an amendmeot, extending the allowance to pieces of ! -were restrictions on labour also rendered a protection of not less thirty yards. one third necessary. The question for the consideration Mr. BIRCH conceived that the House ought to rest perfectly e Committee would be. if to enable this country to coos- satisfied with the propositions made by the Chancellor of the Ex with France in the silk trade, the system of protection chequer. necessary, was not a continuance of that system for Lord A. HAMILTON apprehended that the justice of this t yawn longer essentially necessary ? This country. it ease bound the Right lion. Gentleman to lay down sonic principle, well known, would have to compete with France, and the and to abide by it. lie said he would admit the new and uncut ar ses of a successful competition would be obtained by tide to the drawbeck, but not the article that was cut. Now this eireumstanme :— the exercise of labour should be per- appeared to hint a most nun and unfair principle. Suppose the free ; the prise of the raw material should be as low to the case of a Mere 90 yards long, from which 10 yards had been cut, facturer as it is to the foreign tradesman with whom he has was it equitable to withhold the drawback front the HO yards? mete ; and his machinery should be as perfect if these Mr. IV to show that this WILLI.VMS s lull was ceable ; ground. With regard to the restrictions on labour in this coon- but, in his mind, the extreme anxiety of the Chancellor of the Ex- . •were re than one c. the C vete wit was nec •otoa ye al well rhoncri • , nrie efl fectly fee manufoci •u coop cliciienon Irir grow chequer had greatly retarded its benefit& He had akiady conceded too much. He should now at least stand firm in the maintenance of those principles of free trade, so often pressed upon him by those 'who now found it convenient to abandon their former principles. Mr. CA lA:RA Fr never recollected such advice given to a Chan cellor of the Exchequer in his existence. Did the lion. tiens recol lect that that measure was originally to be carried into effa in the beginning of July ? (Hear. trom .{li. Williams) Now such evil counsel might corrupt even the Ch an cellor ef the Exchequer. The only question was, Wirtha it was not prudent and considerate to strike some line, and to Hecate to the wishes of the silk merchants, by fixing it at thirty yards. Ile was willing, however, to extend the measure to forty yards. Mr. MALL! AMs explained. With respect to the advice so much censured by the Hon. Member for VI areham, he was not ashamed of having given it. But, continued Mr. Williams, I should feel very much degraded in my own estimation, if, for the sake of a deceitful popularity, I abandoned the principles I had long advocated, and exclaimed against the freedom of trade, when I had supported it until some trifling interest interfered and con vinced me that I was in error. Then 1 should feel very much de graded in my own estimation ; and I do not think I would stand much higher iu the opinion of those fur whom I consented to forego my conviction. (Cheers.) Mr. HUME wished to know whether any amendment was yet proposed. The amendment, proposed by the Chancellor of the Exchequer, was read from the Chair—" That in whole pieces, or such as had only been cut for exhibiting patterns thereof, the drawback should be allowed." Mr. BARING—I shall submit—" or in pieces of not less than thirty yards" be added. Mr. T. WILSON observed, that would be the better course. It was determined that the original amendment should be first proposed by Mr. Brogden. The amendment of die Chancellor of the Exchequer was accord ingly proponed, and carried in the affirmative. Mr. II UM E thin moved that the words. "and in pieces not less than thirty yards, being cut," should be inserted as an amendment. Mr. B %RING was desirous of knowing what was meant by the Ilon. Member for Weymouth (Mr. W. NVilliams), of making a grand stand against the silk-mercers ? There could, he contended, be no inconvenience in the practical effect of the proposed clause. It was suggested too that excise-oflicers might be sent to the towns where this silk was placed, instead of sending it to a custom house. The CII:INCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, that one of the reasons fur refusing to accede to the proposed amendment, was the difficulty of sending excise-officers into all the towns in England where thirty yards of silk was to be discovered. Mr. PHILLIPS supported the amendment Mr. HART DAVIS spoke in so low a tone of voice that we could not ascertain the nature of his observations. Mr. R. 531 YTH said, that for peace sake he should vote for the amendment. How was it possible to ascertain whether a piece was cut off originally with the view of serving as a pattern or for use ? Mr. II ERR lES replied, that, in case of any doubt on that sub ject, an appeal could be made to the experience of those skilled in the matter, and there would exist no difficulty to an experienced manufacturer of determining for what purpose the piece had under gone curtailment. The trouble of measuring would proveextremely inconvenient, and in the case proposed by his Right lion. Friend that inconvenience would be avoided. Mr. CA LCRAFT remarked, that if the manufacturer felt the trouble, he would not apply for a drawback. Mr. BRIGHT contended that some fixed rule should be laid down on this subject. Mr. HUME observed, the messuremert would not be necessary on the principle suggested by the lion. Gentleman (Mr. !terries), seeing that any person skilled in the trade could determine, within a yard or two, of the quantity con tined in a piece of fifty yards. Mr. BUTT ERWI MTH supported the amendment. Strangers were then ordered to withdraw. The Committee then divided— Fur the Amendment - 30 I Against it - 71 31ajority - 46 On our return to the gallery— Mr. E. ELLICE was asking the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether he intended to allow the duty to be returned on orgao zine dyed silk ? The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that he saw no reason why orgsnsine silk dyed should be dealt with differently from other dyed silk. In answer to a goes-ion from Mr. Bernal Mr. BERRIES stated that the allowance would be made lb. for lb. though four ounces were lost in each lb. On the clause for allowing the importation of foreign manufac tured sue goods after the sth of July IPA, being read— Mr. BARING rose to say a few parting words on the question. fie would not afterwards trouble them during the progress of the measure. The Connive! against the Bill had made a must satisfac- 1 tory and impressive speech, though he was afraid it had not made much impression upon the Committee. He intended on this clause to move an amendment, with the view of substituting the period of live years, proposed by the petitioners, before the importation of foreign manufactured goods should be admitted. He did not expect that this amendment would be assented to. He knew that the cry of free trade overbore all opposition ; but while the restrictions continued on our workmen and linen-manu facturers, he could not understand why an article should be selected for this legislative experiment, which had always confessedly been attended with more difficulties in its menu facture in this country than any other. It had certainly attained a high degree of prosperity under the existing laws ; and he would advise Milliliters to leave it in its present flourishing and wperous state, uninjured by experiment', which, in his opinion , ould prove unsuccensfuL The Honourable Gentleman then re ferred to a letter from the throwsters at Derby, expressing their dis sent from applying tor further time. But upon who ground was this dissent supported ? They said they were perfectly satisfied with the immediate remission of the duty, accompanied by east- Rensation for their stocks, as they had no doubt, in case the expo 'went should fait, his Majesty's Government would not perse vere with their plan. The Right Honourable Gentleman might therefore expect, that as soon as the period approached when the fo reign competition was to commeace, the table would be covered with petitions, representing the imminence of the danger to which the trade was exposed ; and however firm Ministers appeared to be now, he was inclined to suspect that some of their fortitude would desert than under those circumstances. His opinions were in favour of an entirely free transit trade ; and also, if it were nree t'cable, of a tree commerce in food (hear); and when that should be accomplished, of an entirely free trade in manufactures. But it seemed to him the utmost degree of folly to select this trade for the purpose of opening a competition with France and Italy. The 'latish manufacturer was in the first step under a great disadvantage ; thel throwster of Italy could work cheaper by 4s. per pound. llow this was, nobody waned to be able to state, but the fact was un questionable. France admitted all the organzine silk of Italy, but in England it was to be prohibited by a high duty ; yet it was ex pected that we could compete with the foreign manufacturers. There was a fashion in theories as in silks. The fashion of this year was free trade; but at the same time the question was touched with that degree of timidity which shewed that the theorists were afraid of their own doctrines, at least so far as thrown silk was concerned. The present period seemed to him either teo early or too late. The only effect would be, that for two years and a-half the trade would be paralyzed. With all the exertions that had been made, not one petition had been presented in favour of the MIL That fact was evidence of the opinion of the manu. factcrers, who, looking forward as they did to the ruin of their trade, would of course shrink, and reduce their business during this interval to the lowest possible state. By prolonging the period, the necessity of returning the duty would be avoided ; and he was the more anxious to avoid it, as, by the last decision of the Committee, great inequality would prevail in the mode of allowing the drawback. When lie considered the superior machinery of the French and Italians, he felt that great alarm might reasonably exist as to the effect of this measure. But all opposition, be was aware, was useless. The grand principle of free trade, and the be. nefita of a liberal system of policy, were an answer to every objec tion. Again, however, and for the last time, he warned the Corn. mittee against attempting this dangerous experiment. He would nut trouble them to divide. Ma H. GORDON said, everybody was for free trade in the ab stract, but when the principle was applied to the particular branch in which any Hon. Member or his constituents were interested, they were apt to fly off in a tangent, and protest against the unfair ness of their being selected for the experiment. (Hear, hear.) The Hon. Member for Taunton (Mr. Baring) was an advocate for free trade, but when the Chancellor of the Exchequer brought in a practical measure, founded on the principles of free trade, the lion. gentleman oppos ed it. In ilia (Mr. G.'s) °Onion, the Right lion. Gentleman had gate far enough, perhaps too far , in accommodat ing the silk trade as to delay. The letter of the Derby thmwsters was the beat reason wby die Right lion. Gentleman should perse vere. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he should not re.diecuss tile general question. He had no disposition to enter upon an angry controversy with the Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Baring), who, he supposed. wished the Committee to understand that he was acting not only without the concurrence but in diametrical opposi tion to the feelings and judgment of the whole trade. The letter of the thrownters at Derby, to which the Hun. Gentleman had re lated, had been forwarded to him (the Chancellor of the Exche quer) with a copy of a letter to the Committee in London ; and though it appeared they were not absolutely free from apprehension, yet they expressed, in the strongest terms, their readiness to snake the trial, which of course they would not feel unless they had some Lottery Tickets, 251. 19e. 3. " That till the foregoing articles are agreed to, fair and rational hopes of success. The Right Hon. Gentleman then read the letter, in which the Derby thruwsiers disclaimed all con- PRICES OF FOItEIGN STOCKS ESTE it DA Y. it does not do so in the proper time, they shell leave the section with the London association. Some few nf them, they Austrian Scrip, 123 a Russian Bads. 941 A d occupy the point which the General-in-Chief, Citizen Jose said, had oluubtn whether they would be capable of entering in to competition with the foreign manufactures, but they Ditto for Account 124 Russian for Acct. 9.14 fl and willing to make the trial. They added , that they were conh we" all *mil Ditto paid in full , Russian I ns c ri p tion Lobate, shall think proper to fix upon." (Italian lids. 7.4 I that, if it should prove unsuccessful, they would not be mai-Exchange per ruble This military insurrection lasted three days long er ; dent Reed to any theory, however excellenti n itself, but which the Ditto for Ace . 811 7 1 1 1104 1 Ditto Metallic Stock (Baring) unt i l t h e 27t h , w h en t h e C ongress h av i ng con tinued Colombian linntln,B4ll3l 54 4 Ditto (Sillim's) situation of the landed interest might render difficult of being D n . f or A ra . 6 4 4 45 3 5 . 4.144 Span. C ons . 11 A 204 and a number of the troops having deserted the carried into effect with uniform success. (Hear, hear, hear.)— Ditto for Acct. 20 3 201 a Danish Bonds, It was clear that they were so far satisfied with the soundness of the Greek Scrip. 14 04 pr. Ditto 170 & 255 Ms. 24 14 leaders, the Congress had influence sufficient to principle, that they were ready and willing to make the trial. He Ditto for Ace. had received another letter from a body of silk manufacturers in Ditto WI do. it altogether, and cause the leaders of the re volt to he another part of the country, in which manufactures had flourished Mexican Scrip, 63 lala II Neapolitan Bds. 901 Ito. 5 per Cts. ( 11t23) 181 18 rested. One of them was shot almost immediately; in an extraordinary degree, and in which there was, among the Do.forAc.6lal ka aid Ditto for Account 181 18 population at large, perhaps more knowledge and experience on Ditto 10Ia. se. Bonds, twenty-two handed over to be tried by Councils of the subject of trade th an in any other part of the kingdom. This Ditto for Account 904 Ditto t 1820) 214 Thus order was again restored, and, at the date of letter, which was linen the silk manufacturers of Manchester, was to Portuguese Bonds Ditto ncrip 3.1 4 Anglo Mex. Mines 6 54 6 pr. United Ditto accounts from Mexico, all again was tranquil. this effect :—" Impressed as the silk trade of this town are with the P russ i an Rona , go/ A a wisdom and promptitude of his Majesty's Government in pro. Ditto Bonds (162'2) 97 posing the reduction of the duties on silk, they feel a lively I F L e . n i . ch :a. K 2 c 3 n f t . eB n o u ' ex ' div ' such as these will start up in a country only newly Ditto for Account Do. scrip, 134 14 pr. ex. div. from foreign dominion, still partially agitat.ml by .- alarm,' not in consequence of the Bill before the Committee, but 1 1 / 4 .,..„ 1 „„ Ditto tor Acct. 141 I 4 pr. ex.div. " lest the opposition his Majenty's Government may meet with in conveying their measure,' through both the Houses of Par- 111 A I LS. of that power to maintain its ascendancy , a nd icial • institutions and government as yet unsettled. liament, should induce them to relinquish the question. The silk AaarvEn—l Lisbon , 2 Gottenburgh, I Holland, I Flanders, manufacturers of Manchester are unanimously convinced that great ' and 1 French. Due-1 tiottenburgh and 1 Haniburgh, more than any other province, has been torn benefit would result from the measures, wad it is their earnest ' prayer, that his Majesty'a Government wall persevere in the course they have entered on, which, when sanctioned and fixed by law, will prove to be fraught with important advantages to the silk trade of this country..' The marailacturers of Manchester could not be sup. posed to be indifferent to their intemts, or incapable of taking a sound view of them. The dissatisfaction of the silk trade was not so generally diff AO as the House had been given to understand- Ile admitted thst the duty on organaine silk was higher than a strict adherence to the principle on which the grounds of reducing the duty on raw silk re , icil. If it prevented the British manufac turer from being able to compete with the foreign manufacturer, by increasing the total price of silk to tea great a height, it would render the measiirc inoperative. The throwsters were not appre hensive of the consequences of the Hill ; and they had never been protected by a monopoly. but only by a high duty, as was now ' pmprweil for the whole trade; and he trusted that the same natural causes which had raised the throwing trade of this country to prosperity, under the protection of that duty, would • make the whole trade flourish under a similar set of circum. • stance*. lie hail lately received information as to the state I of feeling in the French silk trade, which sheered that they were i much alarmed at what was taking place here. The people and manufactures of France entertained the greatest apprehensions of t the effete that would follow in all parts of the world, wherever our manufactures would come into competition with them. (Hese, hear.) If there was any grounds for these apprehensions, there I could not be much for those of the English manufacturers. Vie KING'S THEATRE. This Erenhap, TUESDAY, March 43, will be performed RICCIARDI) E 7.11 K WIE. The Noble by Slg!por . . . Principal Perforinert—Pdadatne l'olhean Rowan!. Signore Garda, Curionl, Porto, Freneesoln. Madame linteuni, and Madame Vann). Between the Acts. the Divertiseement Clizvaiereeque. entitled IItiNNEUR AUX DAMF:S. End of the Deere. new Planet. entitled LE sciNI.F.: Applieationi for Floxee and ',lngle Sohoeriptions for the &Meet to b. made to Mr. Seguin, 105, Quo4ratat. ttegettt-atreet. NEW ROYAL, DRURY-L.4XE. This Eventne. TUESDAY, lilareh d 3. will be performed Tilt: MERRY %IVES OF WINDSOR. Fenton, Mr. Viridian:: sir John Falstaff, Mr. newton. Miss Stephens; Mrs. Page, Misr Cohitt. Atter which. SPANISH GALLANTS. To conclude with LOVE, LAW, AND PHYSIC. To-morrow, A Grand Musical Parformance, under the direettonsf Mr. Serbia. lin. Ford. THEATRE ROYAL, COVENT-GARDE.V. This Iteenine, TUESDAY, March 23. will be performed P'tIDE SHALL HAVE A PALL. Count Vinton°. Dr. W. Far rent Stefano, hr. Egerton Lorenzo, Cooper t Torrent°, hr. Jones. Vletoria. MISS Paton. To conclude with the Bortetta of MIDAS. To-Morrow there will be no Performance. Mr. BARING explained. Mr. F. BUXTON contended that the Right Hon. Gentleman had dwelt on general principles, without entering at all into the question of time before the Committee. The silk trade, and espe daily the labouring part of it, had a right to a postponement of the period of foreign competition. The Hon. Gentleman then adverted to the history of the growth and restrictions of the silk trade: and argued, that as in the only instance in which the trade had been thrown open, the experiment was tried for only 5 yeses, the manu facturers were entitled, if not to the right, at least to the indulgence of a similar period now, to prepare themselves for the great revo lution about to take place in their trade. lie was not absolutely a convert to the new doctrines of political economy, by which our ancestors were represented as ignorant of every principle of wisdom and justice. ( Hear, hear.) Under our present laws the country had risen to a greater pitch of prosperity than had been ever seen in the world before. Ile complimented the Right lion. Gentleman (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) as to the purity of the motives that must have induced him to adopt so unpopular a mode of ap plying the surplus revenue. His Hon. Friend (Mr. Hume) differed from him, as to his views of political economy, hut he was sure he would agree with him as to the propriety of postponement, when he learned that the manufacturers would, for an extension of three years, abandon all the drawbacks on their stock. The country would thus save 500,0001, and it would, during the same time, gain in duty 750,0001., making a total complete benefit of 1.250,0001. to be gainedlby giving tiatisfact'on anti removing difficulties. (Hear, bear.) Mr. GEORGE PHILLIPS said, that the only evidence of superior machinery in the silk trade in France was in one article—the loom, and it was stated by the Counsel at the bar that already sixty of these looms had been made in England. In passing through Coventry, he had witnessed the great chsnge ' that had taken place there, in consequence of recent arrangements relative to the silk trade. Ile thought it necessary to complain that the East India Company prevented merchants from sending out confidential persons to India, on business connected with the silk trade. It appeared to him, that while a competition with France was likely to produce such injurious effects, it was necessary to impose heavy ditties for the protection of one manufactures, and it was highly important that the manufacturers should have means given them to enable them to compete. It had been admitted that the present looms were inferior to those of France : to enter into competition with the prospect of success it would be necessary to have new looms, and to make new machinery. In Lancashire he knew that the machinery was inadequate to the supply, and that it must remain so for • tune. Ile hoped that the Right Honourable Gentleman would at any rate extend the tinie to • year or six months longer. Mr. WYNN said, that he hill made inquiry relative to the circumstance alluded to by the Honourable Member (Mr. Phillips), and had ascertained, that although an application was made to send out a person as agent, by Messrs. Palmer and Co., no application had been made to the India House to send out a clerk un business connected with the silk trade. Mr. HALDIMAN D observed, that the only question before the House was, as to the lengthening or shortening the period. The expense of bringing silk front Italy was, compared to its value, of no consequence; but India presented greater adventages ; and he was sure that not only a great quantity of silk would be brought from thence, but that much manufactured silk would be sent to Italy. It is certain that the machinery of England is not so good as that of Italy, but this was occasioned by want of stimulus ; and he felt assured that in • few years the English would exceed the Italian machinery. He held a letter in his hand to show that some parties connected with the silk trade did not wish for an extension of time. Those persona are such as carry on the trade on com mission, and the letter stated that they did not concur in the prayer for an extension of time. Air. LITTLETON said that he had received a letter from the silk merchants and manufacturers of Manchester, which stated that they would not become a party in any compromise whatever. They had no objection to the extension of five years, provided a compensation were given them. Mr. ELLICE wished for the extension of time to a few months longer than that proposed by the Right Honourable Gentleman, which could not be any great consideration to him, but would be to many persons, because it would give them another year's trade. He was directed by his constituents to state that they would not become • party to the motion of the Honourable Member foe Taunton, but would rather the plan should stand as at first, than That the duties should be taken off by d In many brandies of the Pa manufacture, he was convinced the English would soon rival the French, but in some he feared we should be always be hind them. Ile would leave it to the Right Honourable Gentle man to decide, whether, as the request of the trade wan only that • very limited time should be added to the period allowed by the Bill, it would not be better to grant it to them. Mr. HUME, in answer to an observation from the Honourable Member from Taunton, said that the reason why the silk trade of England was inferior, was the want of stimulus. He hoped the Bill would go through the House without farther opposition. A MEMBER under the gallery made a few observations, which we could not hear. Alderman THOMPSON said, that he was much mistaken if, before July, 11e26, the English would not be able to enter success fully into competition. Alderman BRIDGES observed, that the letter which had been read from Manchester could be of no avail, because Manchester was not a silk manufacturing town. Mr. ELLICE said, that if the prohibition remained open until October, 1828, it could make no great difference, and would satisfy those who were to be considered. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER observed, that when lie first proposed the continuation of the prohibition until January, he was requested to let it be July, and now that he had proposed July, 11126, the Hon. Member proposes October, and if this were granted, no doubt July, 11127, would be asked for, and so on. He thought, therefore, he had better let it remain as it was. The amendment was rejected without a division. The House then resumed, and the report was ordered to be re ceived to-morrow. On the motion of the CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER„ the report of the Committee of Supply was then brought up, act the resolutions agreed to. PENITENTIARY CONVICTS BILL. The report on the Penitentiary Convicts Bill was then brought up, read a second time, anti ordered to be read a third time to-nice row (this day). IRISH CONSTABLES ACT. The Irish Constables Act was then read a second time, went through a Committee, and ordered to be read a third time to-mor niw (this day). CRUELTY TO ANIMALS. The further consideration of the Cruelty to Cattle Bill was de. trred until NVednesday next. The other Orders of the Day were disposed of, and the House -red at Twelve o'Clock. • THEATRE ROYAL, ENGLISH OPERA-HOrsE. MR. MATFEWS AT HOME! On THURSDAY next. March SS, 10114, And on MONDAYS, THURSDAYS, and SATURDAYS, with his ANNUAL LECTURE on PECULIARITIES. CHARACTER. and MANNERS: Founded on Observatlonsand Adventures during his late A TRIP TO AMERICA. In Three Parts. PART 111.—k Monnpolylogue. called ALL WELL AT NATC ' , moans. AU the Characters the Evening's Entertainment to be represented by Mr MATHEWS. Doors to be opened at half-past Seven—Performance begins at EV". Boxes, Pisces, Tickets, Private and Family boxes, to be taken,.( Mr. Stevenson. at the Box Orßoe, Strand Entreats, hem Ten till Five. The BRITISH PREPS commenced publtohing yesterday mornirg at Half-past Five o'clock. LONDON, TUESDAY, MARCH 23, 1541. The Paris Papers of Saturday and Sunday reached es last night. The meeting of the French Chambers is looked to with intense interest throughout that country. The Chamber of Deputies will be royalist almost to a man. The Ftolle has a letter from the King to the Archbishcp of Paris, desiring public prayers to be offered, to cause iris. dom and moderation to direct the important deliberations of the Chambers that are going to open. The Archbishop is also to celebrate a solemn Mass of the Holy Ghost, at which the French Princes, the Peers, and the Deputies, will attend. It is not easy to calculate to what extremes a Chamber of this character may go ; and it is more than probable that Villele, and some of his associates, are even now alarmed at their own creation. The speech of the French King on the opening will say much as to the mea sures about to be pursued : we shall take care and give the very earliest mention of it. The leading contents of the Moniteur and the Etude will be found to follow. The other Papers poises' very little interest. [From the Monticar of Saturday, March 20.) STOCKHOLM, I.zs. 27. _ . . . (From the ,',.rsburg Gazette.) It is known from good authority that the English Ambassador at the Court of France has made to the AI nistry of that kingdom a communication, similar to that which has been made to the diplo. matic body here, on the subject of the Spanish colonies. After receiving the answers of the several Cabinets, England will form in resolution. MADRID, 31AlCR 9. M. Perez Juana, re of the newly appointed member of the criminal tribunal at 3ladrid, has just set out for Toledo, wool. panied by a French force, with the orders of the Government st release from the prisons of that city a great number of individuals who have been languishing in confinement for these nine month% without any other clime than the will of some persons, br show authority they were taken to prison, saying they were lit'reron. It is proper to observe, that the resolution to release these persons was taken by the Government some months ago, but that the caviar orders which it has sent to the Corregidor of Toledo to exe cute it have always been eluded, because, he said, " the life of the prisoners would be endangered, on account of the hatred which the people cherish of every thing that is liberaL" In this city as well as o th ers we begin to tech the effects of the late decrees for the farming of the salt cod, the augmentation of the price of tobacco and salt, &c. The Etoile, dated Sunday, amtains a letter from his Majesty to the Archbishop of Paris, desiring him to have public prayers read, to implore Divine Providence to cause wisdom and moderation . to direct the important deliberations of the Chambers that are g rim; to open; he is also to celebrate a solemn Mass of the Holy Ghost, st which the Princes of the Royal Family, the Peer', and Deputies, will attend. Some new commotions have broken out on the volcanic soil of Southern America. Mexico has been disturbed bl military insurrection, but tranquillity has been restored again. General Lobato, who was in command of part of the Mexican force, and supposed to be moderate in his principles, and firmly attached to the freedom of Mexico, assembled in their barracks on the 23d of January, at night, a part of his regiment, and brought over also a considerable portion of the garrison, in number about 1,000 men, end then issued a proclamation, removing all obedience to the executive power, declaring that his object was to suppxt the Congress for the removal of the executive, and that be would not lay down his arms until that object was at tained, and all European Spaniards :evident in the conamy removed from all public employments. Lobato, in his pm cLination, denounces " the Spaniards who are employed in " the chief posts of the state, as exerting themselves ta es• " tablish a new and shameful slavery." I called together, this democrat adds, some of the meritorous officers who serve under my command, and some private individe. this capital, and we endeavoured to snake ourselves heard by the Government, which plotted against liberty, and that of my fellow-citizens. " We " not hesitate a moment," Lobato continues say, " about the necessity of uniting and using our " not to threaten the national sovereignty, nor to " our opinions, but to protect ourselves against the , " nations of the Ministry. Already the Government " acquainted with our movement and its " desires will be accomplished, and the sound " will not disturb your repose." This movement seems t have been altogether unprovoked, and to have originsto in mere military turbulence—the wantonness of anne . mercenaries, determined to use their swords in some wn, On the 24th, the Generals and Commandants-in-Chief the corps united at Mexico, assembled, and passed the ft); lowing Resolutions:— I. " That they will not lay down their aims till the Sower Constituent Congress place the executive power in the han4o Americans of known patriotic sentiments. 2. " That all European Spanianls in general, and an little attached to the system of liberty, be deprived of ploymenti till the Spanish nation desist from its hostile against the free States of America, and recognize their pendence. NOTICES OF MOTIONS (THIS DAY). Mr. Wilmot Horton—Bill to make prevision for the better con duct of the Fisheries os the Barks of Newfoundland, and to coo aolidate into one Act various Acts of Parliament now in force re. specting the same. Mr. Secretary Pecl--Bill to continue the Alien Act. Mr. Bankes--Select Committee to consider of the Plan for Building Courts of Justice. Mr. Martin (of (ialway)—Bill to Regulate the Proceeding by Outlawry, and subsequent proceeding by Custudiarn thereon, in Ireland. PRICES OF BRITISH Bank Stock 3 per Cent Reduced, 3 per Cent. Cuss. 941 si per Cent. 4 per Cent. New 4 per Cent. 107 bong Annuities, 1 Imperial 3 per Cents. Bank for Account 2431 Cons. for Act. 94 India Stock TOO% s YESTERDAY. India Ilonds,Bl pr. India for Account, 2118 South Sea Stock. South Sea Old Annuities South Sea New Annuities Es. Rills, 1,0091. 50 40 50 pr. Ditto, 5001. 51 49 pr. Ditto, Small, 32 49 pr. Indorsed ditto een restortu td of part of Berate in his n of Mexico, try, at night, considerable 00 men, and dicnce to the RS to support and that be bject was at- n the country ), in his pm- employed is oselves to 0' lied togethrt, officers who ndi viduals ac ourselves b e against my " We did •• ontinues to ng our arms; r to manifet: st the mach:- overnment origin—yoa Ind of moot , Dent seems ave originate en of woe in souse wa!, • ts-in-Chief 6 sassed the fa; 1 the Sneer in the bad.* 0 id all Arnerim eed of their r stile • dee their in to, the Ibr . security and ive the eapiml tizcn Jose3ls Fs longer; ontinued finit the insuqe: tto extingla revolt to be ; mediately , a; uneils of WO date of the canine newly mil' by the m •, and with ttled. Melo urn by dome