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1' F ; 11 1 I . - olls trieful b e speech ; but when he heard what had taken place, he was st c'l"tim was made to the contrary, it was bat to be wmdeeed at attracted he said o he d„„lned whether his gon. and Learned Friend had see the statement in the --per. As soon as he had read that he met it by instant denial. Perhaps the feeling that the leo- it, ~. ..0 . Omit excited, or the expression in whic h . he conveyed _ it, was h in to ad te hear this statement eheered, becauee if he hail been esked (Crice of " limn hear," from the Opposition.) He was 1 to .•perate, and one which, on reflection, he would not are at to have given his opinion, he should have declared that he bel i eved (killed all that was imputed to him in the report. l eli J ace PeaL u s e tton Pedtb eetr e Loo lla as lak te e e t b r cont aarai mu y n t aaa ente o te4 to . aellai le nte dael he Y eeit the report was not correct, though his Hon. and Learned Friend to be injunced sod unjust ; and it was not to be wonticreel had d tulle f edetalas complaint upim the too greet facility with which too- UL that instioultt have felt ands poken indignantly on hearing such His MAI. and Learned Friend, hewever, haul stated, that he had a charge prefaced against him , after so many years of merits and e services. (Cheer , from the Ministerial iten(lide) L a (len I) happened to promo some inform:Man • upon nee subject. ei ear his rifted) " on his sleeve , for lows to peck at." He might not eat; were heard before the Lord Chancellor. Ole ( th e noneitor... have epee too sensitively alive to what he believed to be unjust inht lie knew that two complained to the lord Chancellor, that after his I lonour lied de years ago his Honour the Vice-Chancellor had nem:tent on his conduct ; but if to be too sensitive on such a sub not was a fault, it should be remembered that it was only an excess day berme his Lordship. Th. Chancellor said, there was nothing eided a motion, the same motion was frequently heard the next le right feeling, and should therefore be not too harshly dealt with. _ n . It had been just intimated to him, that the papers which contained requited that his lordship should establish, as a condition in re cellar's the Act of Parliament to prevent it. The V ice-Chan . cellor then the daily report which formed the foundation of the lord Chan- cellar's remarka, had been only put into his hands as he was going b nig a motion, the signature of two (counsel, as it sees specified into Court m i g h t in the Act relative to an appeal. The Chancellor said it was im. . hive produeed Tbe that au st dd ro en og il e n fc r id m m io e n nt a w c h a ic ed h pro in v h o i k s ed mi t nd he u.-ifor. possible he could attempt to insist upon any such condition, tunate expeessiuu which was the subject of this night's discussion. because the impoeition of it was not warranted either by law or It was now manifest that the statement of the lion. Gentlemen was the practice of the Court, for, if at motion was in the first instance nor that on which the herd Chancellor had commented; and be. hood before the Master of she Rollo the signature of two Counsel tween the Lord Chancellor and the lion. Gentleman there was a was not necessary, and, therefore , though the Vice - Cloncell o r c om e middle point in which the error lay. That error was the mierepre- p e lained Mementoes in cues of bankruptcy, in which the signature of ,ematiun of the speech of the lion. Gentleman. This explanation counsel was not required, the Lord Chancellor said lie could not t 'tempted hint from the applicability of any harsh remark whee l require it, because the practice of all . bie predecessors had been not itect Lye Chancellm might have pronottneetle The llon.tientleeni 'la require it. li is • lionourable and loathed t nend had apero. fed clewed himself from any imputation on him, fully to tile set t ee peiated to himself expressions which he had not used. The Lord faction of the house and of the country. It was unnweesary, (ehencelloa was not speaking of him d,- persona. The Honourable tier-re:, to go further; and now that it had appeared it was Members around his Honour:dee and loarnea F rieed, who had Let to his thesteh, but to n neereptesemation of it, that the ob. joined in cheering the eulogy pro:mune:el upon him hey the Honour jeoionat le phrase was applicable, lie would ask the HOW. henthe7, able and Learned alert:bee for Ifircheliwa (Mr. Broughem) had in cendotte, if that nthrepresetitatiou was not cakainged te exci t e not MIN fervently expreued their high pentium, of his lionourreile in a i- Le t h e ru i n o o f t h e L a o ci wthre ti nr a eerrealam di ng o r i eguat i on and inumed Friend's character than lie belt. He folly coneuvrol in to that .tai, h he so properly felt aunt expressed that night, on the th ose dorm, which were not, which could not be too loud i euppoisiti el that he was the object of the expression which was so !lapse of the unspotted iritegrity of his Honourable and Learned Friend. He believed that no num was loss capa b l e of s p eakin g eerily i etpraicable to him. Una« thosecircumetancest , as the Orme what was not true—no inert was lees capable of making r. public " ea'e aecaa""ed by a misaPT"lwasia" which am not "elibtd ; question the vehicle of a private attack «Cheers.) Thekr.owledge if the Hoe. !Umber therefore persisted in pressing hia motion tot lie had of his lionourisble and beamed Friend's character, aeon all a division, he would certainly vote against it, and more partite- he atudioudy careful not to say ram nor less than the truth, tarty, as the Hun. Gentleman had set bine:elf night in the quieten of the House allff of the country. (lieu, hear.) called from him, as the moment he read the report, the ejaculation I • Mr. BIG )iftellAM nose .— lf the poly teemed his Hon. Friend that eve dotibted that his Honourable and loomed Friend had used prowett motion wasa , the expressions imputed to him. lie exclaimed at rune, " I doubt (Mr. Abercromby) in bringing forward the h that he said so." He contended then, that he had exculpated the to obtain a triumph over the lord Chauellor, beenas - et . Noble lonl (Loud eries of " nonce") if he had not been fortunate defence of himself. the object of his motion had ur alr t :ad7 gli to bring the honourable Gentlemen. opposite to that con. complished, for his triumph over the Lord Chancellor, and b vindication of himself, were complete. (Cheers. Without which Without refer. .elusion. he would leave them to conic to what conclusion they might think It , t and he mined they would allow him to (la so also. His were made, he must sa y with great (airtime, with great c ando u r, enee t o th e s t a tement of his Hon. Friend, the a 1 ei mens ee, an d L earne d Anne,' cormilained of a personal attack and not • little of judiciousness, in defence of the Lord Chan- mid he agreed with hiro, that if a judge was to have the right ad Milano to attack any Member of the profession who practised in ctilor, fully established and sustained his vindication. Thesead his Court. the consequence must lo that the bar would be thrown teased. 5.3 which were very humble and very submissive , cou ld into a state of prostration, degree:ohm, and humiliation, to which net justify or excuse the conduct of the Lord Chancel lo r , int) honourable man could stoop; and he assured the House that he thought they might be in rime degree available as an extertua -al. tiro tie it. however these admissions might so serve to extenuate, would never co-operate in the azeomplishroent of any such result. I or Judge in existence hear, hear.) if he supposed they could not surely be corsitiered as a su b stantial defence iim l ie w t fuld never amiat Hear, a Purla"e for 'my Cuancolior the case of a breach of the privileges of the house, none glaring and wire idgeant than any to which, within his recolleetieu. th e lotlfultv.ttb.e a land Chancellor had used the ex cessions comlained 1 ntit:mortal sopert, he would support the motion; but attention uf the House had been calletb . protection a the eentracter ofhislion. Fr iend thenV:„o,%, h t e d be , he litts setidied that the Noele lord lied Spoken not el uted ersottl, I , e , but of the paper he held in his hand. That paper imp to hd •I t a tt l l e te nti cum apeeehe o . b:er—tba se t d eb b rif t i e : th w e bi ce ei t i l ti b ett ad i en al o a t a y e s o a r l h o kn ew " loniship the authorship of the (Maya in the Court of Chancery, lie (the Solicitor-Ga ud hie Loidahip refuted the calumny. him—men which even "the shadow of a shaele" had never mwed, , and which the Lord Chancellor of England, in the present neral) repeated, he did net believe that a personal attack had been was , intended. T h e Lord Chancellor's observoione were not a personal instance, had so urjustly outdated. (Hear, hear.) g . censure upon the speaker of a speech, but an answer to a speech not thin daracter. yet his hon. Friend would excuse hin i i ii rta h ' .:a g yit — ig I spoken. !netted of thnoe eemarks having been levelled against the ieete was a higher consideration sail—the privileges of that blouse , Honourable and Learned niember for Caine, they were merely de which, if Swine:eon motion were not acceded to , would exist only sinned to set right a report in which the Honourable and Learned te be lane -hen at by those who hate, and despised by those who Member hod been gros s ly and egregiously misrepresented. lie would subdue us, If this motion be rejected, " I say (said Mr. (the i • t:elicitor-(ieneral) therefore absolved the Lord Chancellor of Greu(;leun emphatically), the privileges of this House are only the slightest breach of the respect due to the bar. he acquitted the poweelle against the weak, but that they are impotent aga i ns t the Noble and beamed Lord of having done any act that any Judge in etroce." :laud cheers.) If the Editor of a Newspaper had come 'Westminster Hull, at any period of the history of the bar, would neeorilla too Mo.: e..; ;toy thing, that occurred in that House, have avoided as oppreesive or contemptuous towards that body. weeld ha net inimediately be celled to the bar, and be made an- Hone venion dames, tenures quevicissim. swergbitrearthe freetioni of his commentary ? Would any of the This was one of the subjects on which any man, any Judge might gentle eaclacw which ha d hese" heard that night be ` Hewed bin' as he expected to shew an infirmity of mind ; and were thelHouse—was an awiilaldt defence? Would it be regarded as a suflicicut defence his y tionourable and Learned Friend prepared to say that any in. for liim to say that he wrote it in a moment of irritation—that lie h i . r that might be instituted and conducted in any manner, ought 1 thomeht the privileges of the press hail been roughly touched ? not to hurt the feelings or wound the sensibility of a Judge? ', Weer• hear, and laughter)—that the remarks were male hastily, The lord Chancellor had found himself held up in the public and that- thety.eight flours afterwards perhaps he would not have prints es guilty of a perversion of justice as the author of written them. Would such excuses be adduced in vindication of , miechiefs in his own Court, which had he ro ns the subject of hditors and Retorters, or any person without i"liaenee an d Parliamentary inctuiry. Wbat was the kind of stoical apathy yeation to 'urgent biro ? or if adduced, would the House entertain expected from bun ? That he should bear all the calumny them ? in the cane of such a man they would amount to no arid abuse that WWI represented to have been heaped upon hint with cknitiere. • Henendinbered a case in which the privileges of the unmoved calmness. It was more consistent with human nature iron" were maintained with a very stria " 41 n g ° "" s " erit y• that it should happen that, when this calumny and abuse were made 'ihe pony there accused was not a very high and powerful man— known to him, he should express his feelings in the strongest and he' was Mr. Gale Jones, he behoved, • surgeon. The alleged warmest language, rather than in a strain Mate or less measured, *remelt of - privilege, in that instance, consisted in his having p as a man in a cooler disposition might be induced to express him. earthed a subject for discussion, at a debating club, which was put self. The conc. 'mien to which he (the Solicitoe.Genual) came woe M the thaw of a question to an Hon. Member of that Howe. that al reflection or censure was not the object of the Noble Miff was by a quibble perverted into the meaning of an infringe- Lord. Ile agreed entirely with his lion. and Learned Friend, that meet of a part of their privileges specified in the Bill of Rights. ne i t h er the Lord Chancellor nor any other Judge ought to use the The pouge 'referred to was that which provided " that the pro- jadgrnentopeat as a place from whence attack or annoyance should a """we no "-element be questioned in no court or place out of be directed against any pesos ; and as a menthes of the bar, he it." By a contermniete quibble and perversion of all common sone, the curehtet of Mn. Joins v... ...wit as It. a *sash of this would be amongst the forenuest to vindicate its. igdependence. But hiectinent of rights; and by this sophistical oonstructum It eve .... again h begertl the li mid to resort to the marked difference of the cm., im e to,S shown that no inomtation was intended to Le con. condemned to l'ifW,Tatt for five months. It appeared to him eceed .slust. any Member of the Houseeothat the observations of ( ele. ler-Ingham) that without hiding recourse to any quibble, this Lora Chancellor were an hypothetical answer to a case that did tin present case more nearly apprnached a breach of that men. not exist—au mower in fret to a thing, and not to • person. (Hear, seen of the lid; M . Rights , nn which •Rfir• Jones had hem cane hear, hear.) He therefore could see no reason why the question donned to imprisonment. He re the Lord Chancellor, on the mat should go Nether. If the privileges of the House had been itt. oe Moire, dots indeed question the proceedings of this H ous e, and e l id e d, it was when no each design was intended. The reply was 'teat:too at a time before he inquires, before he takers time to tor - not levelled against the Member foe Calge, but was an abstract qualm himself with the accuracy of what he hears or reads: ne vindication of the Chancellor's own character, without the least dies still more, rariktr.stque caditine—he proceeds to condemn, personal aspectn.aspectofon ortenso . e nature. ( Hew. hear hear.) mil even pronounces senteuceoo his Lion. Frionl(Mr. Abercromby) Air. SCAR LE'l7 then rose and said—l feel that I should be. without hearing. Let the House consider if this sentence had been tray the duty I owe to the House mod to my profession if I did not pronounced against a barrister practising in his Court, whose cha. address a few observations to the House upon this question. The raster, fame, existence, nay the very subsistence of whose family, speech of my Honourable and Learned Friend (the Solicitor-Ge. depended on his professional exertions. How ruinous to him must neral) does him honour. lie has uttered no sentiments as hi. own, such a declaration of the Lord Chantollov prove ? lie would find to wh i ch i do not meet cord i ally s „ escrien, He has sheet , clearly himself deprived of practice and of the well-earned rewar d o f his that our Honourable and Learned Friend (the Member for Caine) talents, and even cut off from existence, as far as in the Lord' never did what has been complained oft for be tells us that is soon Chancellor lies, for ever. This would be one of the evil conse. as he read the report he doubted that my Honourable and Learned 'queues that must ensue front rejecting the present motion and leav- Friend could have said so, and I have still to learn that he is more ant( the characters of Members of that Heide exposed to such fearful disposed to doubt than the lord Chancellor of England.— loktryations as were this night the subject of complaint. The result (Hen, hear, and • laugh.) And surely, before he took a step, of of giving imientity to the Chancellor now would be, that no bar. I , all others themost degrading to the Bar of ellogeend, he ought to rester, a elettiker of that House, would discharge _the duty that he j have entertained the doubts (I tear hest,) which my Hooourable owedthepubile, through a fear of being puma by iudicial yin - i „ t i b een ,' F r i en d ( th e e o li c i tor n) enere d) warms .he did. He dim thither. He would repeat, that a more gross and iisit viii- to . ought have exfunined whether the report was correct. He ought leave of the privileges of that House had not before n pub. : to h ave sent for rip Honourable and Learned Friend (Mr. Aber. ideal (0 therm , and he should add, that, if they permitted it to 1 minhy), and asked hin , ohtoher he would abide by that report. pass temmiced, it was idle any more to talk of privileges. Mould , t0h,,,,n If the Noble and Learned Lord had meant only to a! ours or reporters feel a wish in future to thunple on them, they I complain of the report, what was more eery titan to have said that would be foe. to leave that wish ungratified, from any hauldee , the report was (else ? There are various ways in which a charge about the privileges of th ! House of Commons. (Hear.) j contained in the rejoin of a speech matte in this House may be re. The SOLICITOR•OENERAIA theft fine to a ddre s s the I pelted, without violanno the privilegesof •the House. The party liaise; for a few seconds he was not audible, front the noise that I eommainieg may state ' it as a report, and treat it as such. ; prevailed among the 31embers. The first sentence of the lion. +slid ! It does not follow that he need attack.. the Member. J should be Eternal Gentlest= that reached its was, that as the observations i gleit to know %healer, if the Lord Chancellor or any other Judge, of the lord Chancellor had been founded on a repreeentetion in a I i n ennomoice of any expression painful to his feelings or innotous . newspaper. that he allowed motions to be reheoril in rich a manner I to his honour. should roceed to commit the person offending to as to create delay, the blouse could nut understand the merits of ,' einem', is there any in dividual of any description of . party who 'the case unless they uvula listen to a dry explanation of the farts ! would act say that this would be one of the ,grosses t rtolattons of - and eirruntstancot tasting to the transaction. There could b e no I the pr i vileges of the House 1 sup po se that oi e process he .elaubt, front the statement of his Hon. and beamed Friend (M.r. ! amid eonimansl, this Judge was to inflict a tine upon the offnulieg eAlseemonsby), that the speech he made. and the speech he wee re., i person, avowedly because he bad delivered his sentiments in t h is • resented w have made, were not one and the utile. His lion. ! house, contrary to the honour or feelings of title Judge, would the • and Learned Friend had comedy mated what he Feel spoken, but' House hmitate to consider thia alio as a gross violation of its pri. the was represented to have said that whereas under the Vice-Chan. I vileges ? I ask the Hoed then this question; Are you prepared eellot's Bill no appeal email be heard from a decision of that Judge 1 to soy that the Lord Chancellor, or any other Judge, „shall unless the petition was signed by two Counsel, the Lora Chancel- I stuck the person or property of your alerabers for what they may . due had by • forced construction heard appeals without the signs . say in this House, but that you will surrender their characters to lure of tiro Counsel, in such a manner as to bring disparagement 1 hi e plmsure ? (I..outi cheers.) I have no hesitation to express my Amon the Vice-Chancellor. Under these circumstances, be would I own feelings, which I mu sure will accord with yours, that I would . ask hie Hon. and Learned !reload, wh o h a d ge m e nt to the sense, rather be sent to prison—l would ratlim..be depraved of my thrtune batty of his DIM feelings, if it had been publicly mulled of him, I —I w o u ld r ather be stripped of toy gown, than be called • liar on that while acting under the high respoosibility and oilmen oblige- I the scat of justice. (Loud cheers.) I will put another question to tines of a Judge, he had been guilty of • public breath of an Act the Home: Suppose some other nein, on • footing of equality of Parliament, nay, that the multitude, frequency, and repetition I with a Member of this Home, in point of rank and fortune, had of his breaches of law were such, that they constituted a great pub- , uttered things of. the same offensive nature as the Lord Chan. lee grievance;—if his Hon. and learned Friend bed been thus: cellar hail said of my honourable and Learned Friend; suppose emerged with so aggravated a beach of his public duty, would not 1 h e had told the Jiletubor that he had spoken a gross falsehood in the his feelings have been greatly irritated ? (ilea., hear.) The ac-' Meuse, and slid not deserve to wear the gown on his back, I count given by his Him. and 'Learned Friend that night was most I would not the house have had the courage to resist that insult ? I accurately stated; but if the house at to the representation ! What then ought the House to du in the cue of a .subject is the paper, they would find that a woes indreprotentation of that I almost the highest in. the land ? If these privileges are to be speech had been given forth to the public. lie would occupy their j held to be vionated in the ease of any individual, however hum ottendon tole • minute, while be read one paseage front the report I ble his station, or tri fl ing the inennee ment, skall nothing be done 3 1 the :Warming Harald, the paper to which he alledeal. The lion. I w h en an attac k, :tide, violent, and in every respect fitting to call on! loathed Gentleman t h en no d th e meowing passage front the for resistance, is made upon tie by the Lora Chancellor of England, retort of M e Abeneamby's speech in the Muir uing Herald of I sitting on the bench of justice? (Cheers.) It has been said, I ee'eteteettay last:— ! will not say with what truth, that the bar of England is in a de- •• Am , caries the:. had been before the Vice-Chancelhw might be ; graded owe. It would ill become me to pretend to discuss the *elite according to tbe ereeent practice, brought Lena the thee- , merits of the bar, or the cloth of this proposition ; _but I will say ccior—not he way of appeal, bat on rehearieg, by getting the . th at it i t was Minuted to reduce the bar to a degraded state, a more . polies to furnish new On:aeri', setting forth new matter, although I ----e""nual way could riot he pursued than if any member of the bar, the law w a, that no appeal should be brought without the sign*. i olio slosh also happen to be a Member of the House, should earn of two Coume!. The Lord Chancelkw permitted that race I dare, in the discharge of his nublic duty, to. say any thing inju . um, by which a great expense wits brought on the litigating parties, I rues to the reputation, or painful to the feelings of the Judge in and great dieparagemeat nn the Learned Judge who had just heard , whom Court he pranned, fur that Judge, on the seat of juittice , the cause. Hence unto much of the increased buthims at the Lord I with ail the power is hie hands to take away at once the moral and o lienceilor'e Court. in permitting those causes to be brought for his I professional character of the Barrister, by charging him with utter bearing by that cutotruction, or, ratllo/, ...seem of the Act of ! ine a gems falsehood, and adding, iu a woofing tone, " This has :Parliament." I been sae: ben man will a gown on his back." (Cheers.) If the House The lion. anal Learned Member resumed. Ile asked could any would vine an inferior offender who should so attack one of its Judge fail to expo"' his indignation on readin such a , in members, will it forbear because the Lord Chancellor is the often which • breach of duty was openly imputed to tem, the spree- der? (Cheers.) If I know any thing of the foundation or advan. unction of an innovoion of practice, by which disparagement was tagas of privileges, it is became they area protection against power. 1 'ought upon the Vice- C hancellor ? it was not indeed alleged (Cheers.) I as:: you, then, became a breach of those privileges tee the Lonl Cilancellor had introduced the innovation with that has been committed by an ininvidual possessing more patronage, eot:nt, but that in erVeet it AM been 'indocile. of render- power, and authority than any other in the kingdom, shall it be ea r l the Viee-Ctutncellor'e Pell abortive. Tile House had been passed over without notice 'e I say nothing against the moral or told nein-au-1y that the published account of his Honourable judicial character of the lord Chancellor : with the greatest .sin. and learned Friend's semen ass not correct. When the lord eerie, I pay my tribute to his high reputation, Isis great dignity, • 41ms:cello' made agesien 711 the subject on smudgy, he (the Soli. and leis unspotted honour; but shall hc,berause of hie power.attUk eitornheteral) was absent from the Court of Chancery. lie could an humbl o individual, like my lion. and Learned Friend, though noo therefore. spmk of his own knowledge as to the eipreasioos we all know his great excellence and merits, humble as he is corn. used by the Noble shed Learned lord. If he couki„ be would can. pared tithed Lord Chencelloo—and pour forth the phial of his e idly, for he could have no object in emending it on such it motion me:my wrath on my !Immutable and Learned Friend's head, be ae this, on the coiesitteratitm of which his honour, his veracity, and cause he has said What the lord Chancellor supposed was false? his independence were concerned (hear, hear), arid on which he (Cheers) lend Honourable and loomed Friend had called in would for no now go either to the right or to the left. (Ilea, hear, question the conduct of any other Judge, and he had ventured to hear.) He had gone into the Conn just after th e 4 'harcelfor had make Ito offeneive s defter:item as the Lord Chancellor, would not used the words complained of. he (she Solicitont fent:rat) was not unto:real hid:motion have been excited thruitethout this House? in the habit of reading the debates whn) he had curd them. lie, And shall it be lots forcibly expended because the Lord (chancellor :bee wader: nut referred to any report of bit Wm. and Learatel j is the oneuder e Shad thr greatneas of the offixtler Amine impunity fee the offence ? (Cheers.) If you shrink from rue dilly, is iteneeldeneet in the Courtof Ceanoery for twenty-two years, he haiL, through interest or fern ? lt must be one or the other. I rendered' it, in common parlance, a national grievance. (Hear.) , Far surely if an unhappy, primes had taken the same liberty, no ! He meant to say nothing aisrespectful of the Noble Lord; he im- bounds would have been placed to your indianatiou. What is the' puted tu.him no base motives ; but if, at the end of his career—foe ' defence of the Lord Clionceßen? That he thought what my ; bemuse, In thenature of things, be nearly at the end—he entertained Honourable and loused Friend had stated was false. If he did, 1 ; the opinion that, without any previous inquiry, without considering maintain it would not all* the question of privilege. In vindicating ! what pain he might inflict, or whose future prospects he might our privileges, we do ea inquire whether the viola:* believed he " destroy, he, because he was a Lord Chancellor of 22 years' standieg, , was speaking truly or falsely. If a eleniber is attacked elsewhere ' had the right to do as he pleased, it was time for Parliament to in . for a eat he hex said in this House, that constitutes the breach of I terfere and check him. Somebody must speak out, and on some Privilege. Beyond all doubt in this case the individual rod the occasion the lord Chaticellor must be undeceived. lie (Mr. T. speech were the same alluded to by th elord Chancellor . isthstiathet would appeal to the feelings of the Bar, he would appeal to the feel-' he had had the misfortune to raid some newspaper. I will not say he . ings of the House, he would appeal to the feelings of the public at meant to state what was untrue. I will not treat it as a question in i large, whether the practice of the Court of Chancery had not led to which his honour is involved , but I ask again, shall he state "greatpublicineonvenienee,andbecomeasubjectofgenendeomplaint? went he supposes to be true when it is calculated toelegrade or' Well then, in consequence of such general complaint, a motion was I yeah a Member of the House, because that Member has spoken made in the !loose :for 'nil -airy ; and why should that motion be what he believes to be the truth ? (Cheers.) I beg the pardon of the answered by the head of the Court of Chancery in terms admitted House for detaining it so long. I have felt the more anxious to ea- to be rash, uncivil, and unthunded ? If the House refused 'teethes I plain myself fully, because it is the conduct of the hotel Chancellor ! to the motion of his lion. and Learned Friend, he thought in his that is in question. Towards that eminent Individual I can have cortraiesoe that a most unhappy precedent would be established. I only feelings of personal respect. I must therefore be averse to I People outside these doors would not draw those distinctions which enter into any discussion relating to him. In my intercourse with ' were drawn within them ; and they would say that the high and him, 1 have experienced only the utmost personalal civility, and the the dew, the rich and the poor, were not equally dealt with. %%'hit most eibliging condescension. I have been impelled forward by the further course it might be limper to take, after the present motion strongest sense of duty, but I admit moat reluctantly. It has np- was agreed to, he could not at present state; but he implored the peered to me that since I have been an observer of the history of House to consider, that if they refused to go into the facts and ex l'adiament, never did an occasion arise that called so vehemently preseions not denied to have bceu used by the Lord high Chancel for the vindication of theprivileges of Parliament. (Loud cheering.) I for, they would be aiming a total blow not only at their own 'idyl- The ATTORNEY.OIINERA It said, if he were asked to state legal, bat at the security and liberty of the people. candidly his impression as to this nether of complaint, he should Ile PEEL said, he oould by no means concur with the advice say decidedly that the Noble and Learned lord (Eldon) had coin I given to the House by the Right lithourable Member who had tendon of attacking his Hon. and Learned Friend, the Member 1 just sat down. lie did not see how they could take the first step for Caine. lie believed that the Noble and Learned Lord's sole proposed, and then calmly weigh what future course they were to object was to defend himself against the charges , contained in the tal e :. He considered that before such calm inquiry, they should , ' Newspaper report. What was the situation of the Lord Chan- take a survey of two questions, which were much mixed up to-1 cellor, or any other individual who was made the object of this gather, and which he proposed to separate for discussion. The first I kind of public attack ? The calumnies that were suppose. to have point was this—was any breach of privilege committed, or if any, been uttered respecting hint were circulated throughout the load. was it such a breach as required the notice of the Mouse? T lu this instance the debate had takes, place on Tuesday evening. second sans—was any attempt made to intimidate or threaten any . On Wednesday it was published. ( lime, hear.) What was the gentleman of a learned profmaion, by the Judge of any, and what Charge against the Lord Chancellor ? That he had Seen guilty of I Court ? ,Between those two questions no sufficient distine extreme malversation hi his judicial duty ; that he had resorted to ! tion had, as yet, been made; and for himself, he was quite She perversion and evasion of an Act of Parlianume and fur the de. free to sty, that he thought the breach of privilege of much grading arid disgraceful purpose of elevating ht own reputation et less consequence than• the attempt to intimidate or threaten.— 1 'toe expense of another Judge. his inferior in tbdsame Court. What Wi th respect to the question of breach of privilege, it was difficult j accusation could be more galling P and *ere ' to add to its ireitate to say in how many instances they were committed in the course' ing nature, was it made? Within the walls of Parliament, from 'of almost every day. That, however, was not the question now be whence it would immediately circulate through the country, arid at fore them. The question was, was there such a breach of privi the time it was seen by the Noble lord had been in currency lege committed as deserved to be visited with punishment. It was several days. (loud cries of "lie*, he*, hear.") Was the Noblu ; quite usual for gentlemen on both sides of the House to make re boot to be supposed to feel nothing of such a charge ? Whet helterenee to what took place in the House of Lords—a manifest uttered the expressions complained of, he for the first time had I breach of privilege, which was, however, constantly evaded by al seen the article, lie bald it in his hand; and expressly said he hiding to what was said "in another place." lie was not quite sure alluded to the paper. lie had no object but to defend himself if it would not be better openly to state where such and such things "pinta the aspersions which he there saw had been east against' weresaid, than, by such in evasion as he had noticed, to shew the hun. The lion. and Learned Member for Cabe had doubtless I futility of the privilege. The House should not forget that this expressed himself accurately aid distinctly as a lawyer, but the breach at their privileges arose out of another breach—the publi ipractice of the Court of Chancery was so intricate, that there was cation of the reports by the newspapers. The House had the mine reason to apprehend that he might not have been undeestood power of enforcing its own orders—the Home had the power of 'by a person unskilled in the mere distinctions and technicaliths of prohibiting the public a tion of the debates ; but lie entirely con ' that Couit. The facts of the case were, that as soon as the Lord cornet with all those gentlemen, who said that the publication of Chancellor had taken his scat on the beach, (hemmer was put into their debates ought to be permitted; for be was sure that upon strike ! his hand, and he had expressed himself in an unguarded manner ing a balance between the evils and advantages arising from their certainly, but with that warmth rind indignation which such a publication, the advantages greatly preponderated ; still it could charge was calculated to excite, on the first motion that came before not be denied that great iinschices occasionally arose from the pub hint on which he could allude to the article. It was unnecessary lication of their debates, of which the present occasion furnished a that he should have alluded specifically to the report, as he held striking and pregnant proof. Let the House fairly view this ques the paper in his hand at the time he was speaking If it was said tion—at them consider in the present instance, that a speech was he used Linguage too strong, let it be remembered that he was re- made in Parliament reflecting on the character of the highest law plying man ueconeradicted report, in which he was represented to officer in the country, which was the next morning after its delivery Gave perverted the law fur the basest purposes. Great allowance wafted, not only throughout these kingdoms, but to every portion of ought to be made for the feelings of en individual at the moment so the world in which the English tongue was known—that speech gems a calumny was first communicated to him. It was hardly conveyed that such an elevated officer It'd evaded an Act of' l'arlia. fair, under such circumstances, to criticise the particular expecte- meet with a view to disparage a judge ender him. If siona in which the observations were conveyed. lie (the Attorney. the publication of such a speech, containing such • charge. General) trusted,: therefore, the House would not look at t ie were not prevented, surely the feelings of 'rounded honour would question partially, nor with reference to the last century, when arise in the breast of say man ; and be would naturally have re their proceedings were not daily communicated to the world. If course to the sane medium for a denial of the charge, through they allowed this publication without complaieing—if they allowed which lc was fi rst conveyed to the public . While the de bates were charges to he put into the mouths of tlit 31embers which they had permitted to beleablished—whae en unrestricted discussion was al. never uttered--if they allowed these t hings to be done with mem- lowed in that Huse (a discussion to which he was at all timia nity, it would be a little too much to enforce theirprivileges against friendly)--if falsehoods were asserted under such circumstances, an individual who, in a moment of ithastion, uttered those exprtss their public contradiction should be allowed. In this case he be sions which in a cool and temperate moment would never have cc- limed that the enter in the newspaper was unintentional, but yet a currcd to him. As to the degraded state of the bar, he (the Attar- false sepaesentation was made of what had been raid, and it would ney.lieneral) differed with his Hon. and Learned Friend (Mr. be singular not to allow the accused the right of vindicating himself. Scarlet), if he entettained the opinlonlithich be had said was current if, in making that vindication, intemperate language were used, this amoogst others ; for be (the Attorney-General) believed that at no -distinction should be intended to, namely, that the Lord Chan period was there greater independence at the bar, or freer discussion, cellor was not the party who commenced the breach, but that being not only in discussing cases, but in the conduct of the Judges them- accused of a ma)-adminiatration of the law, he claimed the peen selves. As far as hisubservution find experience went, he believed the lege of an.Englishenam, to speak for himself, and in so spmking, assertion Was wholly destitute of foundation. It was clear there had had said the charges mode against him were false. It would be been a false representation of what had been stated by his Hon.and the grossest tyranny legally to allow the publication of the debates, Learned Friend (Mr. Abercronthy). The misrepresentation was and yet not allow the denial of charges to be made when they presented to the Lord Chancellor on a sudden, and if he expressed were false. The privileges of Parliament were given for the himself warmly and intemperately, it hardly constituted a case to benefit of the people, anti, he said, given every one as his best warrant the motion before the }louse. privilege--the right to preserve his character inviolate. (Hear, hear.) Mr. SCA KLETT.--I did not state it as nay opinion that the If falsehoods were published through the medium of the press, the bay was in a degraded state. j did not say so, nor do I think so ; press should be resorted to for their denial. Let gentlemen look at . but I will say this, that the honour and independence of the bar the course which they prescribe to themselves in debate, and it was are owing solely to its own vinelication. this—one Hon. Gentleman calls the character of another in ques- Me. TIERNEY said, that on this question, of such immense tion in the course of debate—and, _if the debate went no farther, if importance bathe vital rights of the House, he should feel himself it were suppressed. then no man had a right to say such a gentle disgraced if he gave a silent vote, or if be neglected to give his man acted in an unparliamentary manner. But here they permitted reasons why the motion should nbl be rejected. A 3lember of the the publication of the debates containing such an auctle, and they House had come down to It and made complaint of no lea • person could rot, in common justice, deprive the individual attacked from than the Lord Chancellor of England, and lie had stated further, seeking redress, by his denial of the charge,. and declaring himself ! that the groundwork of the offence was laid on the judgment seat not guilty. When au lion. Member himself published his speech, ' whereon it had Pleased the Lord Chancellor to attack him, not only the question was different ; for it was held in the Court of King's', in unmeasured but in gross and calumnious terms. Every person Bench, that though a Member of Parliament had a right to say was satisfied with the statement of his lion. and Learned Friend what he pleased in his place in Parliament, yet that such privilege (Mr. Abercromby) and that the charge against hint was not but. did not extend to his subsequently publishing that speech. In such mined in fact, or justified by anything be h;µl said. It was int- a case the Member was personally responaible , and in what he (Mr. possible for any man to stand higher than that lion. and Learned Peel) now alluded to, damages were given against him. (We be- Gentleman, after what had passed the Lord Chancellor's lips. lieve the Right lime Gentleman alluded to Me Creevey.) He ( Mr. ! !however warm his (Mr. Tierney's) friendship for that lion. and Peel) did not, however, mean to say, that because a newspapee Lamed Member, he could not desire more for him than had taken published what was incorrect, that therefore the Member to whom place that evening, and there he left the question, so far as his it was attributed was to be held responsible for it. He meant no! Hon. and Learned Friend was personally concerned. But what such thing. But in such a case the right reverted to the injured was to become of the calumniator ? (Cheers.) What was to bc- individual of seeking redress through the medium of the public come of this Lord Chancellor, who availed himself of his high press. The case of Mr. Hope had been mentioned; and that station so to calumniate an humble individual ? First of all lie gentleman, conceiving his character was attacked, appealed to the must remark, that no gentleman who had spoken had stated Member, who would, undoubtedly, if he thought proper, hes a that he had authority from the Lord Chancellor to utter rie h t to eay to hitu—" I'll give you no account of what I said." ' a syllable of what he had uttered. lf, indeed, the Lord But is any party to situated had persisted in demanding an account, Chancellor was disposed to humble himself before the House, no doubt he would be voted pulley of a breach of privilege.. With the Right Honourable Secretary for Foreign Affair% was the respect to the ease of Mr. Blenzies, he made no 'appeal to last mouth-piece he would hare chosen (hoar, hear), and it tuust the 31ember who attacked him. He said—" I find a report , be a deep mortification for the Noble and Learned Lord, that the of a speech, which contains what is false, as affecting my ,Right lion. Gentleman whom he had arrested front Its foreign character. I attribute it to,no one ; I do not say and I do not metals should have become his defender at home. The lion. and care where the attack was made, and I'll contradict the charge Learned Gentlemen (the Attorney and Solicitor General) had no through the medium of the public press." Every one, however, authority for their statements. l'hey alleged, that the Chancellor knew that it referred to something which was said here, and yet was imposed upon by reading a report not founded in fact; but this they voted that " he had explained his conduct tq the satisfaction was perhaps the only paper that the bard Chancellor ha: not taken of the House :" (Mar, hear, from the Opposition benches,) and I 1 home with lent and considered (hear, hear, and a laugh,) or on he was discharged. Ile (Mr. Peel) would never content to punish ' which he had ever at once come to a decision. ( Laughter.) The that as a breach of privilege which merely contradicted a speech; mercy of the House was implored for this Noble and Learned containing erroneous stateuienta ; he never would convict any man Lord, so distinguished for his doubting and hesitating nature. The under such circumstances. Where nice legal distinctions were the: House was besought to acquit him in this case, not because, as in subject of diecumion, it was easy for the reporters to be inaccurate, others, he was anxious to do justice at whatever delay (hear, hear.) without the slightest intention of misrepresenting. The news but bemuse he was a rash man. (Cheers and laughter.) the (Mr. , raper ori;.;ir.tring the mistake made the Hon. Member (31r. Aber. Tierney) defied the Member most conversant with the terms of tee. ' comae-) say, " It was a rule in appeals that nothing was to be in- House, to show an instance where a motion had been made re-1 traduced that was not before the Court at the first hearing; but this steeling a breach of privilege, and offering to substantiate the fact, j was done away, and another construction was put on the Act of had been negatived. No excuse at a third or fourth hand had been ' Parliament." ,Ind if the Hon. eiember referred to the other pa. received. The party offending was called before the House and epees, he would find that in none of them was there a correct report compelled to make his own apology. (Hear, hear.) When Mr. of what he d . l say. lie (Mr. Peel) now implored the House to 1 Farquharson, the short-hand writer, had substantiated the offence, compare the accusation with the defence. The accusation was this: it would then be for the House to consider what should be offered "Any cause that had been before the Vice-Chencellor might be in mitigation. But before that, the party ought to be heard at the again, according to the present practice, brought before the Chan liar. Could the House hear the Chancellor? No. But if they reeler; not by . way of spinal, but on reheating, by getting the abstained from noticing the breach of privilege, it would be said parties to furnish new affidavits, setting forth new matter. Al ! that the insult came from so high a quarter that they did not though the law eas e that no appeal should he brought without know how to come at it. (Cries of " hear, hear, hear.") When lir, the signatures of two Counsel, the Lord Chancellor permitted Hope had offended them, he was pot to the inconvenience of coming that practice, by which a great expense was bio,ught on the up from Edinburgh. He then, et the bar, stated the impreseions litigating parties, and great disparagement on the Learned under which he had acted. Irritation was also part of his defence. Judge who bad just heard the cause. Hence arose much of the Tee House were satisfied that he had no improper motive, and increased business of the Lord Chancellor's Court, in permitting they let him off, as he (Mr. Tierney) should always comider. very those causes to be brought for his hearing by that construction, or ' candy. But now the offender was COS called to the bar at all. Why? rather by the evasion, of the Am of Parliament." I lere, then, was Simply became he was the Lord Chancellor. (Hear. hear.) The a charge made against the Lord Chancellor that he violated an Act Attorney and Solicitor General had a tender feeling for his Lord- of Parliament ; whereas, in the Act of 1813, there was not a word ship (Hear, hear), and he was to be excused even from an ape- I about the signature of thinned. When the report of such a charge logy, because he had read ),:artily, and given judgment rashly. was seen by the Lord Chencellor, it was named enough for him to 1 (Cheers.) Ile (Mr. Tierney) could make great allowance for the notice it, and he did so in this manner—" 1 have only to state, that temper of mind in which the Lord Chancellor must have been haring been in this Court since the year 1778, whenever a motion during the the last four years, since the agitation of the motions for has been made before the Master of the Rolls, which he has refuted ' inquiring into the state of his court. Even his amiable temper must to allow, or which he did allow, and upon an application to the be somewhat ruffled, when, after so long a discussion, in which so Chancellor to vary what the Master of the Rolls hail done, or to I many charges had been preferred. and never answered (hear, hear), dcptroy it Altogether • and so again whenever a motion has been he was at last offered up as a sacrifice for his judicial sins (cheers), made before theVictal'himicellor, and (Anneal have been of opinion anclehough affected to be still defended in thelloose ofEornmons by that the motion had been improperly ',minted or discharged, the his frioule, it was accompanied with the hint, that something must party has always, in all those castes, been at liberty to move be dime to reform the abuses. (Chum ) But the lion. and again, with a view to set the matter right; and if tae signature of Learned Gentleman (the Attorney.(iererel) contended, that the Counsel be necessary. to alter the practice of the Court, as it has Lord Chancellor del not intend to attack °thew, but to defend him. obtained since the period I have mentioned, all I can say is, that self; that he had given offence only accidentally these, hear); I have not a right to tax the King's subjects in that way."— that it was the paper he meant to attack and nut the ma, (laughter). Nothing could be more temperate or more correct ane proper than It was singular that he never had the pater until Saturday morn- this, se tar as it went. A charge wee made of the Lord Chan. ing; and then at once having got it, he went thorn to his Court eellor's creating expense soil litigation, by evading the law. And he gave judgment on it. But the paper had no gown upon its was it not natural, when he knew it to be a false charge, that ha back. (Cheer.) The person the lord Chancellor attacked had ehould say so ? To say so might be technically censidered a a gown upon his hack, and he was warned how he fail into such breath of the privileges of this House; but fifth and blood could inaccuracies. (Cries of " Hear, hear.") He (31r. Tieniey) had too not tamely sit under a charge so false and so unfounded. (Heat', nitwit respect for the „Hon. and Learned Gentleman (the Attorney. hear.) It was the peculiar duty of the Judges of all the Courts, General) to dwell upon this cavilling defence. it was cleat that the es was most properly stated by Lord Hardwicke, that all their pro. Lord Chance:Floe retened to the debate, and particularly to his three 1 ceedinga should stand right with the world ; anti he (Mr. l'ael) lion. and Learned Friends who hail taken part in that debate. After fully concurred in that opinion. lie now cane to that peragrapn this never let the Home talk of printers. lie knew the difficulty which contairad the thensive expressions complained of :—" With they had to meet; how were they to hear the Chancellor in :Mt ga-,; respect to appeals and mewing. it is supposed thee I have heard Lion? When the present nuition was carried , the difficulty might ' them on new evidence, and thereby brought discreet on some part then be fairly considered. The House might then pause and re- lof the Court. It is an peer falsehood !" Now the reel question fleet upon the step next to be taken. The Lord Chancellor might here was. Did the use of these terms constitute of themselves a make an ahology oa the bench, where it would be as public as the breach of privilege ? Ile would not say they were very temperate offence. There might then bean end of all preceedings. But the expressions--but the question now to be decided was, did such a Lord Chancellor could not retract. If he dal hit was ruined as a strong denial of a false charge constitute a breach of privileee e ? If, Judge. lie must in effect say, " I have affirmed rashly and without in place of " utter falsehood" a the Lord Chancellor had said it was any grounds, that an honourable man had uttered agrees falsehood." en o,cuor he was sure the house never would have heard of this llt was impossible he could make such a statement, but something motion . 'The terms " utter falsehood" only applied to the report must be thine. No Mali admired more than he (Mr. Tierney) did t in the newspapers, and not to the Hon. Member, who was impro. the profound research and unquestioned integrity of the Lord' perly stated to have used the language contained in that report. Chancel:or, but he could not therefore egrze tot* &aide the rules of ' And he denied that it could be considered as a breach of privilege. Parliament to favour hie escape. lie could not forget, not. The Lord Chancellor then went on to toe, "On rehearings, it is wittetthiling all that had been said foe him, that daring Its " clwayt competent to nail the evideucc given It: the cause, though it was not read in the Court bsiow, either he the Counsel or the Judge—futihcr Than Mai, the i'erri dots not go. On appeals, it only reads what has been read in the Court below, and that practice I have never deputed Jima in slily one instar.ce." The whole of this was extremely temperate. (" Hear, heat—read on.") He was proceeuing to read on, and he thought it unfair to triumph over half a sentence. It was a miserable aed worthless victory to triumph ewer two lines, when in all the other pans of the Lord Chancellor's statement there could not be found cause for any complaint. (Mat, hear.) The+ was the sentence on which vengeance wan row celled for —" Therefore, really, betere chirp are so represented, 1 4411 i ( Nla rill by Gelillemen wttb gh ats on emir bade, they should at least take care to be accurate, for it is their business to be so." That to be sure was not a very civil mode of expression, but he was satisfied the lion. Member (Mr. Abereromby) was the last man to whom the Lori Chancellor would apply them. That was the language of irritated feelings, roused by . a charge admitted to be tale, and it would be the height of injustice to visit it as a bleach of privilege. If it were that great breateusestie gertlernal stated it to be, he could scarcely imagine that the Right lion. lien. tteman (Mr. Tierney) would hake treated it with so much levity. So much for the first question of breach of privilege. He now tame* the second question, and he would ray, that if there was a delibe rate intention to intimidate any gentleman of the learned pi denim, it would be a breach of the nature I but agaiu he repeecee his conviction that the Lord Chancellor had no inteetioa of doing' ea The House had already heard, from a gentlemen of high cha. meter practising in the Court of King's Beach, with whet county' he had always been treated by that Noble Lord; and when his osn duct had been so falsely called in question, it was not to be expected that he showld have answered it to the *dint and most measure:. phraseology. It was impossible fur him (Mr. Peel) to conceive that threats would have been held out to any . man practising in the Courts, much less to a ...pntlettian tithe eminence and integrity of ' the lion. Member for Caine (Mr. Alincromby). The objectionable expressions were used under irritated feelings, and nothing, he was convinced, could be farther from the Lord Chancellor's intention than a deliberate purpose of violating the privileges of this House, or holding oat threat or menace. If the Mouse 'then agreed with him (Mr. ('eel) that there was no intention to violate their privies lege., or to intimidate p ractitioners j u stice to the Court, it was but to hint that they should not follow the advice of the Re. lion. Gent. (Mr. Tierney), an advice which he himself admitted to be full of difficulties, ehich he had not once attempted to solve. (Cries of " Hear," front the elinisterial benches.) Mr. TIERNEY, in explanation, said, be wished to ascertain through stone authority from the Lord Chancellor himself what his real intentions were; and in that there could be no great difficulty. Sir JAMES MACKINTOSH observed, that he should not , occupy much of the attention of the Meuse; but he considered the I subject before them as one of the most vital importance to the bah inn-rests of Parliament and the country. He considered a gross breach of their privileges had been committed, and that breach ege gravated by an attempt to intimidate the members of the bee prae_ teasing in the Lord Chancellor's own ( eart, because they herd the honesty and the manlinen, when its abuses were discussed, togive a candid opinion. 11'hether the attempt to intimidate, or the real charge of breach, was the more important, signified to him but little; but this he would say, that if by such attempt_,. the bar had, not lost its independence, it was placed in danger and jeopardy, and would be exposed to the suspicion of not daring to do its duty when an inquiry into the abuses of Courts of Justice was brought before the notice of the House. If the House did not wish to protect all its Members alike---if professional men were to be threatened ; and intimidated for the proper discharge of their Parliamentary duties, it were better at once to exclude them front seats in Parlia. I men t. lie charged it as a particular aggravation in this case, that I &member of the liar was threatened by the Lord Chancel lor ha ids own Court, at the moment when the Legislature determined upon instituting an inquiry into its abuses. Would the House eedere that the Judges of this country, or any of them, should riseso much coarseness and violence to one of its own mentben, because he discharged one of the highest duties which society called upon hint to perform ? If this breach were not now no tierd, the standing order for committees to watch over courts of justice ought to be erased ; it was a satire on their proceedings, and it would only chew how much they had degenerated from their torefathees--how much they had been unmindful of their rights and privileges. (ilea.) The Right ]Hon. Gent. (Mr. Peel) like a well-practised logician, had taken seine distinctions, but in his premises he used one set of phrases, in his ccir elusion another, and that with a view to &dist a degree of feeling in favour of the Lord Chancellor, to which he was rot entitled. But it was no reason, because they tolerated the publication of their debates, that they were to allow a judge, and that _judge one of the King's Ministers, to attack • elember of this House. (liear, hear.) In proportion as that Judge was great and elevated, should his conduct be viewed with jealousy. Nothing could be a more direct attack than that of the Noble Lord upon a elemher of this House, for what he had said in his place in Parliament. The Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Peel) had asked, could they be so cruel as not to allow the Noble Lordto vindicate hiruseif ? lie said, No, God for. bid. But then he (Sir James Mackintosh) asked, why the Lord Chancellor had not first inquired before he flung out a charge of falsehood upon a Member of the House, and character of his Hon. Friend (Mr Abercromby) ? Suppose in a private affair such a thing occurred, would not a first make sonic inquiry before he went to the lest extremity r er r V n ould be not endeavour to Wei. tain what really paseed,and give the person by whom he felt offended, an opportunity of justiteing or explaining his conduct? He ep quite sure that what the Right Hots. Gentleman (Mr. Peel) vino& carted in the Lord Chancellor, he would consider deserving of re prehension in a red-hot boy front school, who had just put on a red coat before he took the colours. It was asked where was the Lord Chancellor to defeud himself? Any where but on the judg ment seat—at any time but in the absence of his Hon. and Learned Friend (Mr. Abercromby), In the other House of Parliament he could have defended himself. In this Hone he could have done so by his friends. Could it be said that the Lord Chancellor was distressed ? That be was left alone ? He had many friends in this House, who must be attached to him by e es of gratitude, to defend him. In short, the Learned Lord could have defended himself better in any othermanner, and in any other place than' be had chosen. The Solicitor-General had stated some common topics:in extenuation of his Lordship's precipitancy and harshness ; but though extenuation mightbe a reason against their passing judgment, tt could be none, whatever, against inquiry. There might be merits in the accused to delay or avert sentence; but pleas of runisation were quite unseesoneble when they were urged as hers to inquiry . Why should it be said that the lion. Member for Caine was to have "earthed through all the papers containing his speech to see if it were accurately reported ? Why be taunted with not letting the Lord Chancellor know which was most correct; but reproach the whole of the House of Commons (in the person of his Hon. Friend)withlaehmandmake those assumed ladies the ground of coarse invective and personal and pointed intimidation? How met a condemnation did this course of proceeding heap upon the Lord Chancellor ? The true question now was, did any Member deny that a breach of privilege was committed ? None. Did any one deny that a false charge was made ? None. Did any one deny that the threats and intimidation held rut against his Hon, and Learned Friend had not a tendency to destroy the comfort, the in. come, and the very existenee of the practitioners in his Lordship's Court ? None Then he asked, would the House decline entering into an inquiry ? And why would they decline it ? Because the person charged was the Lord Chancellor, and because he wisbed to deter the persons who had a knowledge of' the sinuses in his Court from communicating that knowledge to Parliament. (Hear.) The House of Commons bad been engaged in various struggles with the CrOwn ; sometimes they immeeded too tat, but through all, their energy preserved the constitution, and made the people happy. ll'as it ever heard of before, that any chief magistrate of any Court was so presumptuous and so daring as to act as the Lord • 'ha :cellos' had done on this occasion ? (Cries of " Hear.") If the I House wished to abdicate its functions, they would stifle inquiry; if they wished that no man,because he was s lawyer,should state ha opinions, let them reject 'this motion. (Hear, hear.) It was said, because his /lore and Learned Friend had fearlessly discharged his duty, that he could have dreaded nothing like intimitlation ; but whet would they say to a number of aspomg young men, depeed ent, powerless, depressed by poverty, etruggling on in what was once an honourable career—what would they say to such young men, what were the chances of their success, if conduct like that adopted by the Lord Chancelloi were to be continued 1 Then, in place of talent, honour, virtue, they would have nothing but fawn. At hypocrisy and canting servility ; none but the baseaninded .could nee, none but the time.serving advance; and he would add, that tf the House rejected the motion, lawyers would no longer be as they had been, the champions of liberty and independeece, but the basest sycephants of every Court. (Cheers hum the Opposi tion benches.) Mr. W. WYNN was ready to admit that nothing had fallen ' from the Honourable and beamed Gentleman (Mr. Abercromby) which justified the comment made upon his speech uttered on Tuesday last. There was, however, some excuse for the conduct of the Lord Chancellor, and he thought the House would be guilty of as inneake if they proceeded further on this OCCallioll. Ile was well aware that in saying this lie would be represented as deserting the course he had so long pursued on subjects of this nature; but he now said, as he had often said before, that he had rather tolerate a trivial breach of their privileges than push them beemit due hounds, end direct them to uses for which they never were intended. He was always friendly to the fullest liberty of speech, and upon that principle it was that when an Hon. Member was aoacked fur publishing his own speech, he ' , tented a motion which had for its object to vote it a breach of privilege. Still, however. t o had great authority for stating that it would be a breach of privilege far a publisher top rint what a member might say in the House. Mr. Fos had unmeant so. Had the Lord Chancellor thought proper, he might hav: punished the proprietor of thenewspaper for &contempt in in a represeeting his Court—but he did not descend to such a course of proceeding—he warmly denied the charge, and strongly contradict ed that which every other man would have been wanting to himself if he did not do so. The Lon' Chancellor did not state when this charge was made ; he named no individual as the author of the falsehood ; then aunt his commentary, and the only part of it giving a colour to ehew that he was guilty of a breach of our pri vileges, was when healked of persons having " black gowns or their backs." If these terms had all been used, no breach he contended would have been committede lie was asked, was a Member of this House to be attacked for stating his opinions open the appointment of a judicial inquiry ? and he answered No. But if a false charge were. made—if far instance such an oflicer as the Lord Chancellor was charged with evading an Act of Parliament, for unworthy and improper purposes, he had a right to say that such a charge was an " utter falsehood."— Ile did not think that a veil should be thrown over inquiry alto gether, butt it should be first ascertained it the werdscompleme. l of were used at all; and he would state it most distinctly to be his opi nion that they were not ; end therefore there could be no ground of motion against the Lord Chancellor. If the motion of the lion. Member were assented to, the House would be inquiring into the corpse deficit, and would be putting an individual on his trial before the bill of indictment was found; and consequently before it was proved that any offence whatever had been committed. With respect to the etivileees of lion. Members, he could rot perceive t. V t