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another person in the concern with MR Warms, but not exactly a partner: he knew nothing of the note. Q. Had you in general the management of the money concerns ; or was it that other person in 1805%—A. He had nothing to do with it, he was then in the country. The next Witness called was MR. ALEXANDER SHAW. . Q. (By Mr. Waaot.a.) Do you know Colonel Shaw's hand writing ?—.l. I think I ought to know it. . Q. Do you know that letter (slit:win.; hint one,) to be Colonel Shaw's hand-writing? —A. Yes. it is his hand-writing; 1 believe it is; I have no doubt •C it. Q. Have you seen him write ?—A. Yes, I have seen I write: he is m% son. MR. eIIARISS NHAW. Q. (By tviusiel WARDL E. ) Of your own know ledge do von kiwi,. that , 2001. was remitted to Mrs. Clarke on acconnt of Colonel Shaw ?—.l. No, I do not, Sir, hot I 'Allow that 3001. was re mitted. I received a letter from Colfaicl Shaw at ilath, rnentionias that he wishuil in to receive that sum front Messrs. Contts and Co. and convey it to Mrs. Clarke in filoncester-place. Q. When was that?—:l. I unfortunately kept no 'paper. so that I have not the particular date. • hut iii conseTicticc. of the summons of this [louse. I called an Nlessrs. Coitus. :col inquired concern it. and I fount!, it to he the 9th Mae. I per fectly recollect Colattel Shaw stated, in that letter. that illthot:•!int had oldainod his situat' through a friend of his own, yet. at rt.lrs. Clarke had shewn u disposition to serve him. and lie had received an application from her for a large loan, be wlts loatu to refuse her rininest, and he had sent that main expressly by way of loan. hi cowe.pienee of what have heard and seen its the daily papers. as to Clarke's .ag this gentleman had need her ill. I am ready to bring Officers to prove that this Lieut.-Colonel Shaw is a man of high honour, that he is well known for his sat vices, and that he never entered into any engagetntut he did net keep.— The friend lie alluded to was Sir I parry Barnard. COLt %NEL Gaftuov. Q. Iffy strso - T.E.) iwish )ost to state when Shaw wsisainertisstol Assiptant Bireatk- Matter, and put uu half-pay ? The Witness here asked whether the BMW swished Isita to Involver ill , que..tion as. it was pat. area reel a statement of the whole trammetiust sis it took plave ? The CRAIIWAN dcairtd him to ;loaner it as it was post. Colonel GoimoN alpoor.:!icti" 1 110 not • believe I have documents in my possession that will readily answer the qiiestion ; but I think it must bail. been about the end of March, of beginning of April. 1801 i. and I believe he was appointed Or puty-Barraek-Master, and placed on half-pay im mediately a:le-ward -." Q. Do yo can.. I.ow 60111 afterwards I cannot from my ret-t!!ertion at this moment but rs very easily :ascertained by a reference to The Army List. or Gemelfe. Mr. PERCEVAL" You may now state any thing you have to communicate as to the applications and appointment in siestim•." Colonel Onstuna--.. %With respect to the ap po:r.tment of Lieutenant-Coloisel Shaw, the first docsimerst is a letter from Lieutenant-t:esseral Ilurrard to use, dated the Inth of August, limo recommending Colonel Shaw, Isis friend, fur pia 'notion." Here the Witness lead that letter, together with his answers, and the wishes of General Itarr.,.-.1, all of which latter were hiJily mcossissis od u tory of Colonel Shaw. Ile also mad a n eaten paper, which he bad received from Cienerd Burrard, dated the 30th of Jvisuary lest. stating the origin of that Officer's aciptaisitinice with Lieutenant-Co lonel Shaw, his uscrit,., and the Circumstances under which he was placed, and retiring the de tail of the application he had formerly made on his behalf. On the motion of Mr. CnARt.F.•I ADAMS, the Wit- Deal was ordered t • withdraw, slid that Gentleman stated the propriety :if these letters being pursed to be Lieut.-General Ilurranl•s hand-writing, be fore they •'uuld he produce,: as evidence. Mr. Pritco. at. he had some doubts as to the propriety of receiviie4 these letters us eiiilence at all ; probably the hest courae would be ro di rect them to be put out thr minutes. The Watarts was recalled. Q. (ny Mr. Vt . AR DLL). In the first letter you read, then; was nue inclosed from Lieut.-Col. &haw, au winch he id ludts to some pmmises made to him by the Cow. marider-iii-Chief, de you know shut those promises were ?—A. I cannot state exactly that I de know ; but I suppose they were the usual answers made to Officers washing promotion, namely, that their manses were noted, a•ad they would receive intiuta. tiou us sums as opportunity offcretl to comply with their requests. Q. 1)o you know of any other promise which Mary Shaw received ?—A. I do not. Q. Is it usual for Fig.' Officer', on the Staff to be put upon half pay ?—A. When a I. cell Officer accepts a permanent staff appointment 'broad, it is usual fur hint to he placed on half pay. This is ate general rule ; but there are souse exceptions. Q. State those exceptions?—A. The best way would be to read a list of the permanent appoint ments abroad. Q. 11.4 fore you do so-, state whether the officer who bad the appointment of deputy !wrack-mas ter before Major Shaw, WWI upon half or full r•s t ?—A. If 1 recollect right, Major ;haw was t first person appoints-d to that situutiou upon the snipttire of the colony. [Here the Witness, v ith the permission of the ll,suse„ reed u lung list of Stall (thiccrs, uppoi wed on foreign stations, souse or whom, it thuore up - pearert weer plnced neon half-pay, and stone oleos Lull pay, according to the mealier circumstances of their respective situations.) Q. (Ry Itr GEOROB W ARREN DrIl: —4 wish to lamw bow many of the Officers who hold tho,e si tuations now were upon half pay, precious te, and at the time they were so appointed to the Stuff? Speaking to the best of my recollect' of tour respective situatious, there was only one not on frill rue. Q. Woo Sir William Ker on half-Pei ?—A. I believe, with. the exception of Sir William Ker, tisey were st:l nu :all pay. Q. My 11iF. Aliteteinsulst.) Is Sit Willians Ker receiving ins half-pay at this time ?—A. That is a financial question which 1 can only answer by reference to documents. 1 believe lie has applied for it ; bat he bas not yet received it. Q. Am I correct that Colonel Kemp was ap pointed Quarter-Master-General in Canada, on the recommendation of Sir James Crai„, ,, Colonel Kemp being then in Sicily?—A. Yes, he was; he had no 'lotion of his appointment until after it had taken place. Q. Am I correct in supposing Colonel Kemp would hove declined that situation, if it had inter. feted with his Lieutenant-Coloneley of the Slat Regiment ?—A. I um quite positive of it, from the repeated assurance* that were made. Q. (By another Member.) Is the situation of Deputy Quarter-blaster, in Sicily. upon full pay, or does he receive any pay besides that from hiaStati' situatioa ?—A. I believe lie does not, but at pre seat lie must feel aggrieved at not having it. Q. (By Lord FOLKSTON E.) Are these Officers on Stallappoiuhucuta, always receiving half-pay, over and alone what belongs to these appoint *news beheie I hare stated to the floimo., that, to the hest of my recollection, they were all upon full pay, but put on half pay on receiving their appointments ; but there must be al vacancy iii the half-pay establishments, the Coininander-iii-Chief not having it in his power to plaice I /nicer* on it as hr prliwies. Q. Do you know en Officer of' the name of Bowyer. upon full pay in the West Indies, who was sprinted Deputy Adjutant-General in Nova Seolut ; what situation does he now hold ?—A. lie is the eldest Captain of the trttli Regiment, *mil has beets ordered to join his Regiment, or be placed on half pay. Q. What regiment did Colonel Shaw belong to before he received his Staff appointment 3--A. I think it was the 40111 regiment. Q. Did Sir Harry Burford command the Bri gade of Guam's at that time 3—A. Yes ; he cum mauled them iii Loudon. Q. Ditl you state those &earnests yea have heard read, Ns being ell the documents relative to the appoisstment of Major Sl asw ?—A. I b e li eve so ; they are all diet are m the office. Q. 1. it muul to place an officer open a stall' appostitiow a, eithout:squiring of the Cotnurantler of the ftel 4 stisesst, shat have been his merits or ge neral essisdnet That has been usual. Major Shaw hail wit been its that regiment above six months. Q. it slot etlstriiiiiiry to apply to the Officer n 1.45 to Colonel oh tlu Heyksuent in such * case 1— A. No. I caucot bay it is; for in unsay eases the Colonel not being with his Regiment, cannot he 'opposed to brio, good a judges's any other Officer with *haul a person may have aervwd. 44. lu poiat of filet 0445 110 application tootle to any person a. to Nlszir Shaw, but to (;enerul flurr.ird Geocral Darnall iII one of hi, letters, that Major Shaw had a friend in Sir James Craig. it is iiiipo.shle to recollect 'whether nay mention ass made of any applica:ion to any oilier. Q. Di I Colonel Shaw ever serve under Sir James Craig ?—A. 1 really know no more of it than what Sir Harry Hurrara stated in Isis letter. Q. (By (:ess. Lorrus.) Do you know Col. Mey rick Shaw ?—A. Yes.l do. . _ _ Q. you recollect his being appointed confi dential fitieretary to Lord %Vt.Healey in India i -1. rather think that be did hold some appniut niesit in India._ Q. Do )uu know that in consequence of his purcintsitiq u Lieutenant-Colonelry, oat in Italia, I.e wo, put aping half-par ?—A. I recollect he pur chased the Lieutetisut-eolonelcy of the 3ist, but i cannot vitae the particulars alluded to. Q. (Lig .11r. munt.) I wish to know whether Col. :11. "L.; was a senior officer to the Major of the ^tith Iteg;inerit,tu winch he has been fc •ed ? —A. When lie was removed he was a Lietiteuant- Colonel, although he had Mitt served so musty years as the Major of the Regitoeut to which he was re loured. Q. Do you know that Col. M. Shaw had cr.rvill as a Captain la 11w 7rith Regiment, under Aiajor Covell ?—A. No, I do not. Q. From what re gno,•nt au* he removed to the Lieutenant-Cohnt. Icy of the 7111, I—A. lie war reninvcd frotu one of the gArrhpoto battalions in Ire land. Q. is it not customary. in the rvent of death, particidurly when a n•a. •iit is 00 sere lee, that the splicer next to seniority is appointed to the *tuff? —A. That depends very lunch on the merits of the officer. . . Q. Did not Major Covell command the 76th Regiment, during the Spanish expedition, in con tr./oracle of Colonel Spaces had health, or some other circumstance a—A. The 71ith Regiment sailed from this county under the command of Major Covell, in consequence of Colonel Sy Ines's indisposition, end he continued to command it du ring the Colonel's partial ill health. Q. Is not Major Covell en officer of longer stawling su the army than Lieut.-Culogiel rick Simi. 1 think it is very likely he 1114 S, for he is a very old experienced officer ; lint his Royal Highness did not think him an competent as Lieutenant.4l.7olouel Sliew.—/ .11ernisirs.) Q. What had been the recent services of Lieu. tenant-Colonel Shaw 1 This gyestion wascohieeted tn by Mr. I'LactvaL, and the Witnes.ordrret to . withdraw. Mr. Precritat then observed. that the lion. Gentleman seemed now to be inquiring into the mei its of several officers, and whether there had been a proper caereise of the judgment of the Coin mandc;-.iii-Chiel in making ',coliseum's. Ile did nut think any charge justified this consislera tuns, or should lead them into an inquiry how far the existing regulations should be altered. Tliii.slitl not seem to into to lie the proper course, as it would reliably t arry the House into a very unpleasant ifirestigation, and draw answers from the sitnesisra, which might be totally irreletant to the question.' :11r. W1(111111FAn ilia, he did not at all the ii:ipleadantiiess of the investigate'''. but i.t the same tiine be did pot doubt the propriety and competency of the question. He wt,lud the (louse to consider what they Were really ;earebttgotilitr. This Col. Gerdes' bad stated. that there were particular inks ia re gird to army prontotions. It was therefore corn* patent to the lbw. Gentleman to ask, whether those rules had been complied with 1 For, without that, it was impossible for hint to prosecute his in qujry. It was very probable that Col. (iordou would be able to state some great services, for those various aypoiutmruts lie hail alluded to. lie apprehended this was a particular case iu point, iii which a Lient.-Culonel had been appointed to the COI 1111 l and of a regiment, in a maimer not coil sistent with the distinct line of practice that had been stated by Colonel Coulon. Upon that ground he found himself under the itecessity of de fending the question now proposed. It was true, if no beneficial consequerices weir likely to result from such a question, every man must wish to sup press it, and particularly after such au nos% er as that which the Witness hat iimv giVI•11. The House was altogether engaged in a most investigation, but it was such au flue that they inust discharge their duty in every part of it. Mr. Meet:vet. still thought that it lied not been stated in tiny of the charges that a anode of appointment had Irwin adopted contrary to the established course, and therefore lie would recom mend to the flonmirable Geritlenuni, that he would first of all introduce the inquiry, by ask ing the Officer of the Bar, whether or not the up pointosent had been contrary to the regulations ? Upon these s rounds he should Hot oppose the pros. Emboli of the mode of inquiry. Mr. Wt.creet:an said, he entirely concurred in what the Right Hon. Gentleman had suggested. Mr. ‘VARDLi also expressed himself satistied with the line of proceeding pointed out; but it was a po.itive ussertiou of Colonel Gordon, some tinie ago, that if Colonel Shaw was a junior Officer, his appointment was (lathery to the ordinary regu lab of the service. Colonel Gorilou was then recalled, and inter rogated I.y Mr. %Vaunt:. Q. Was there any deviation from the ordinary practice of the army in the appointment of Col. hleyrick Shaw to the Lieutenant-Colonelcy of the pith Regiment?—A. None whatever; 1 stated, I believe, in my former evidence, that it was the practice in the army that a junior Officer should not be placed over a senior Officer of another re giment of the same rank. Q. What recommendation had Mr. Samuel Car ter, of the IGtl► Regiment, for his promotion in the army This 'question was objected to ; the V:itriess withdrew, mid it wits agreed by the House that se veral of the preceding; questions and answer* be expunged. Q. IBy Mr. WELLESLEY POLE.) What is the date of Alajor Cuvell's Commission as a Major iu the army I—A. A*lgust, 18u7. Q. Do you know that Lieutenant-Colonel Shaw WWI iu the E:iat 1111113 Company's service before he received his appoi.itinent I—A. I do not exactly know ; but 1 have all along heard the best charac ter of hito. Q. Is it tint understood that when n General Officer is placed en half-pay, without receiving any difference, it is the intent to restore him again to full pay, on the first opportunity ?--.1. The Com mander-in-Chief has been universally governed by that rule. Q. (By die SECRETARY at Watt.) Do you know that the Secretary at War mule some impli cation to you on behalf of Lieut.-Colonel Muter ? A. With the greatest deference to that Right Hon. Gent. I may even nay he importuned me. Q. Did 1 importune you to solicit his Royal Highness to keep that officer on full pay as long as he could possibly remits his situation ?—A. You certainly did. Q. !low long was Covell a Captain in the 76th regiment I do not know. Q. Do you not believe he was one of the oldest Captains in the ariny I think it is very pro bable. A question WWI then put to Wittles% whether he knew sits instance of a private in the Dragoons, from lila great merit. having been promoted to the rank of a Copt: t i tt t and having in consequence commanded officers whom he hid formerly obeyed, when Colonel Woon spoke to order.—lle said, if mirk inquiries a% these were proceeded in, the business of the Committee would never end : be sides, in pursuing this line of conduct. the house were trenching upon the prerogative of the Crown; and, he supposed, no one would assert, that the right of appointing officers was not vested in the Crown. Mr. SMITH said, if his recollection did not fail him, Colonel Gordan, on a former examination ' in g' stating the regulations of the Kins army, lied said that which the present inquiry made doubt ful, and threw doubts upon his consistency, if these reg ulations hail been attended to. Sir G. ‘V ARID:Nina observed, that he could net help noticing the objections to questions from that side, while others were terrupted ; he par ticularly alluded to questions which had heels re- Celltly put by a Right Honourable Gentleman on the other side. General %Vit.:maws , said, as the questions lie had put had been so pointedly alluded to, he must &nerve, that he only wished to chew Lieut. Co. I .1 Shaw had been ■ Lieut. Colonel before Major Caleinti had attained the mid: of a Major. Mr. Srutucs Boum and Mr. Yoaxx, dis claimed all idea of partiality ; and an Ihni. Mem ber, tinder the s allery, raid, he recoltected, that when Colonel Gordon stated the regulations of the army, he made exceptions for special MI, and should be very sorry any wrung impres „Xion of that Gentleman's conduct should he re ceived while it was iii his power to vindicate him. C o l on el Gordon was again called in aud exa mined by Mr. SMITH. Q. Do you know whether Captain Brunker was ever Quarter-Master of the sth Regiment of Dra goons ?—A. I cannot recollect that I ever heard his name. Q. Du you know whether ha was ever a private ? —A. 1 h:u•e bated 1 do not know of having ever hutrd of him. Q. Do you know Mrs. Clarke ?---A. I never hsd the pleasure of seeing her till within these few days, whim attending bete :I;; a Witness. • Q. lu the cmirm: of the correspondence between poi -elf dud (:eurial Iturraril, • letter of the 28th • espresael a desire of that (;enerel to ~co• • OKI you see biw iu ecnasepence ?-4. I • . think I must have seen him. Indeed lam alntrsut certain 1 did. Q. On that occasion did you suggest to General Burrard that the appointment at the Cape 01C 0 Hope was attainable ?—A. I caisitot recollect ; but think it is most likely I did. Q. Had you any couier.astion with the Corn. utader-iii-Chief on the subject of Colonel Shan's appoiutineist, and did he empress a desire to s.!rve him ?—A. I do not recollect the Costionsuslyr-ii, Chief so expressing himself; but I most h aw spoken upon the subject. Q. Did the Commander-in-Chief ever speak to you on the subject, sinless you first ments ai ,.. s e it —A. I cannot say by did ; but I wish, with drat'_ elite, to inform the Comiuittee, that there ate tel, ur eleven thousand Officvni in the army with silos' I oils expected either to own-sponse or address. Q. Did you ever 'oar of Mrs Clarke sellin; ernmuissioiss before this discuss t miasmic. d A. Never, before, except through the iiitunsous b. Is shiell appeared. Q. Did you ever set on foot iinpiiiies to leer' whether cominissimis were ever sold, or netret the authors of those libels?—A. the ;ear IrGi I rumours, and even rim...nest te.o. ft of stall iilmws, but could riot tret redrew., a. t un (:(1411,4.11 tlwre aay iso method of punislain 4 the offenders. l spoke to the Secretsiy %1, ar 111. , 111 the sithjeet, and letters sere waled cautiolosig Otileers agaii.st such practiet s. Q. From whence, at that time, slid you ;.:et you information ?—A. I believe the little I revealed was anonymous. The vase it alluded to wt s a jaiyanastership, fur which iouol. had been Or. r. It had beta negociated between a petits,' of the MUMS of Fro,)))'. an army broker, mid au army clothier, Hauled Herniates', who resides, I think. Parliament-street;ils it was for the first battalion of the German Legion. I sent for Prom, who said he hail only received a commission upon the lunch and he refer red use to Ilemptlyii; and bey I cannot help mentioning what 1 term the gross impudence of this Ceistlemeu ; he at kisowledged plainly that lie got the money ; as plainly told sue that he should give rue no further ialormatioit about it. Q. Was the name of Mrs. Clarke ever mention. eJ in that business N....A. Certainly me g. Did you ever tell the Duke of York strata it.?—A. Yes. I did. Q. What did he ►sy to you on that occasion ? A. fie desired me to sift it to the bottom. and said, that whoever might be concerned should be punished in an exemplary mataier. Q. Yon delivered in a paper, iu which the names of Loraine end Brooke are 'motioned, how dues it happen, that part of your remarks upon that paper :ire. written with a pen and part with a pen cil .—A. Whim his Royal Highness objectxd to the first application, 1 marked "C. L." with a pencil; upon objection• to the second application, I made the other remarks with a pencil. Q. Is it usual to make such remarks with a pelt ed ?—A. Sometimes it is. Q. (By 11r. WHIT/READ). Did you know any thing of VI omit before that transaction, in which you mentioned him to be concerned ?—A. I knew him us a reputed army-broker—l um at open war with suvli characters. Q. What steps did you take to prevent his bur in., future agency with the army I—A. I do not understand lie ever had permission; but he con tinued to act as a broker in spite of me; he acted as a broker, not US army agent. Q. (By Mr. PRIMEVAL.) Was it not in conse quence of the nicortnation yoe had thus obtained, that the circular letters were issued, cautioning the army against such transactious ?—A. It was. Q. (By Mr. WARDLE.) IVA, there ever any entry made of Colonel Knight not being approved ? A. gertainly not. Q. (By a Member.) Through what recom mendation did Mr. Samuel Carter obtain his com mission of Eusign, in the 16th regiment of Foot A. It was through the recomineudatiou of Lieut. Sutton, of the Royal Artillery. (Here the Witness* gave in a letter, dated Dec. 7, lito6, which stated that the Lieutenant took the liberty of recoil'. risentling Samuel Curter, from his Royal Highness haring on former occusious honoured him (the Lieutenant) with his notice • the letter then stated. that Carter was au orphan lad, that his lather had been an old soldier, and that lie died in the service.] Q. Do you recollect when he was appointed ? A. Hereis Coll-oil Chiding's answer to a letter of Lieut. Sutton, dated Mareli 29. 1804. from which it may be inferred that the appointment took plus about that time. Ido not know the precise date. Q. Can you tell whether Lieut. Sutton is lising ? A. He is dead. I did not know this till I searched for the papers. ` , J. Is it customary for applications to be made for Ensign's commissious, two or threeyears before appointed ?-.A.That depends upoucircuiustances. Q. Have you known officers, without bring dis qualified, remaining two or three years without an appointment?—A. Certainly • I dare *ay there are a hundred at the present time. Q. (By Mr. 1% AIMI.e.) DO you koovr whether filr. Carter had any solsorywrnt recommendation ?-- A. I know of no uthcr thanswhat 1 have stated. Q. (By Lord FuLas.rous). - Do you know the precise date of Ensign Carter's commission ?—A. I think it must lie between the 17th and 21st of March, 1804. Q. In the affairs between Colonel Brooke a, .1 Coltinel Knight, had not the latter expressed * with to exchange with another ?—A. Yes. Q. Was that objected to ?-1. Yes. Q. Are those documents an the War.Oke ?—A. I think they are. Q. (8., .I.Airiater.) You have stated in your former exatnitianon, that you have been several times in the West Indies; iiray were you born in the Wtst Indies t--A. No, I have the honour to be a Ilan ; I wa. born in Wales. Q. (1.4 ~ ; Iderwean Comet.) Was the Paymaster ship ever oinaitierl fur which the 10001. was paid? —A. Yes it was; tbsvcircumstance struck me very forcibly. Q. Are you compo.mt to produce the docu ments of that appoontneut ?—.A. Yes, I can ; and it will give nae groat satisfaction if the Committee will go into it. . Q. (By 11,e SEutairLnir at WAR.! At imbue cf• commendation are puyaimater , ' appointments given A. By the Colonels ot the reguneots. 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