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~~ ,~ r 1 . 1 . i l'i .~ ; f ~ .' 11 • ~► RN . ~ ,n ~. PARLIAMENTARY INTELLIGENCE. HOUSE OF LoRD --- 87,7,;...y, Matters 9. Mr. Baonne.w, and several other Members, brought up the South American Postage Bill and several Bead Bills from the House of Commons. EAST INI►IA 11(1I;SE. Mr. Masow, from the India (louse, presented the Monthly Account of S.,larks, Gratuities, and Pensions paid by the East India Compiwy. 1 ,7 3 . , ) A ! BEAR-BAITING. The BISHOP of EXETER pres ented a petition from the pa. risk of St. alary.la-bonne, praying their Lordships to take some steps to prevent the practice of bear-baiting and bull-baiting, which was ordered to be laid on the table. CLERK OF PARLIAMENT. The Earl of LI V ERPOI M. rose pursuant to the notice he bad given some days since, to move for the appointment of a Select Com mittee of their Lordships, to take into consideration the duties of the of f ice of Clerk in Parliament. In submitting this motion to the House, he was desirous of giving their Lordships the opportunity of inquiring into the nature of the office, which ought to be exa mined into with reference to the wants of the House, as connected with it. and with reference also to every other circumstance in volved in it. Ile was confident that their Lordships bed a full disc position to do justice to the subject, and would give it the at tention that it an much deserved ; and therefore, without any further remarks, he would move, that a Select Committee be ap pointed, to inquire into the duties of Clerk in Parliament, and re. port thereon to the House. The Noble Earl then read a list of Peers, whom he moved should form the Committee. Earl (IROSI'ENOR observed that he was aware that a very great saving to the public would take place on the death of the very respectable gentleman who at present filled dia► office; and he hoped that care would be taken, subsequent to that resat, to give effect to the arrangement mode with regard to that office. lie could not help adverting, now the subject was before the House, to the office of Chief Ilemembrancer of the Exchequer. Some regu lations respecting that office had been agreed upon. but no them, it still remained in the state in which it was origi nally. t" No !" prom Lord Liverpool). Ile repeated, that the Alice of Chief Rcrnembrancer of the Exchequer, under the re gulations he had alluded to, was absolutely abolished; but then it was atter* ants said that it was connected with other offices, an' —add no; be abolished till they were. lie thought it would to convenient course (as we urderstood the Noble Earl, but he iiinike in a tone of voice alimat inaudible below the bar), to refer this office, the Clerkship of the Pelts, and the office of Chief Jus tice Gene ral of Scotland, to this Committee, as they were similarly situated, and cenie under die regulations which had been adopted by their Lordship.. The Earl of LIVERPOOL, in reply, remarked that his motion referred to one particular office, and therefore it would be most un usual and inconvenient tin the attention of the Committee to be drawn to others which could not be regularly brought under its no tice. The fact was, the Hemembrancer of the Exchequer was an office of great importance. end had duties of high consequence at tached to it. It wool trite a Bill had been brought into Parliament to regulate that and other otiices. and a power had been given by law, to the Gorda Commissioners of the Treasury, to fulfil the in tention of that Act ; send the Clerk of the Pella had been actually done away with tinder the control of that law. But the Renieni. brsncer of the Exchequer was a most important office, and it was necessary to regulate it before any arrangement could be entered into with regard to it, not only on account of its own intrinsic im portance, but as it was connected with other offices that could not IA abolished until it was placed under a course of regulation. The Noble Earl, however, he thought, had no cause of complaint on this subject ; for the Barons of the Exchequer had appointed a Gentleman pending the arrangement regarding this office, who per binned its duties without a salary. _ APPELLATE 'JURISDICTION. Lod CALTHOIRPE observed, that he would take that oppor tunity of adverting to the appointment that had taken place with reference to the judicial authority of the House, which, in his opt 'don. deeply involved its character and dignity. He had heard the arrangement censured in the House, but out of door' he hail heard only the rnrert unsparing obloquy cast upon it; mod he could not but remark that that obloquy was justly thrown out, for the only argument that be had !ward ventured in its favour by its most de cided supporters was Olt the score of convenience. If convenience had net been the object, front all he knew and had heard on the subject he was convinced that the appellate jurisdiction of the !louse would never have been placed on its present footing; for the first circumstance attendant on the commission was the appointment of an inferior Judge to preside over the highest tribunal of the reedut in the absence of the first Judge. This was an anomaly which must inevitably degrade the !louse, in the exercise of its ju dicial functions, in the eyes of the country, and was not only dan gerous in its consequences, but derogatory to the dignity of their Lortbibitee proceedings, and tended to lower the public respect for that brincli of the legislature in its judicial character. Ile was far Boni wishing to depreciate the qualifications of the learned Lord (Giffin!) who had been appointed to preside on the woolsack in the absence of the Noble Lord who was then sitting there: but it was not depreciating his merits to say that he was new to the basiness, and wanted experience; fur he could only be considered on his way to that tulntwe of legal knowledge which their Lordships had been emus:on:eel to find in the Noble and Learned Lord on the woolsack. There was another anomaly in this arrangement, which might not only in many cases be inconvenient, but which might be regarded as an improper, and in some instances a dangerous precedent. Ever) regulation has carefully guarded against an appeal coming from a superior to an inferior Judge; but by the present appoint ment that would be the case in some instances. This, as far as it Concerned judicial proceedings, was an imperfection that would tend materially to militate against the dignity of the Howie, and the respect that suitors at their Lordships bar ought to feel for them in their capacity as Judges. But he would ask, independent of t coesideratioo, who were the Noble and learned Lord's judicial colleagues ? They were not ticketed for their peculiar knowledge of the causes to be tried; for in most instances they did not hear the whole of airy one ease; as the regulation seemed to go on the suppo sition that the slime Noble Lords would only attend one day. Ile was aware that they might attend every day, but in point of fact that did trot appear to be contemplated by the projectors of the arrangement; ueulter could it be expected, for an attendance of silty Peers could hardly be procured tinder any circumstances, or to deliberate on any subject. Ile knew that the regulation did not preclude Peers front attending in their places to hear appeals : but if they did attend it was not in accordance with, but rather In defiance of, the arrangement. Ile could not avoid expressing his !pinion that the arrangement would tend to lower the judicial authority of the House; and it was for their Lord ships to consider (and an important consideration it was), whe ther they would run the risk of incurring, in their judicial raps cry, the discredit this measure might bring upon them. Day after they, is their legislative character, the (louse met for the purpose of adjourning : at the commencement of a Session, and during the last quarter of a Session, so far from the House tleipoeing of mai sera that came front tire other House of Parliament with due liberation, they were conitoilled to throw them out or subject them selves to the charge of a want of due ouneiderntion in pulsing them ; and here he could nut avoid alluding to the custom that had arisen as to certain bills nut being allowed to originate in that House. lie dad cot wain to originate any Bills that it was the peculiar province of the other House of Parliament to propose, but he alluded to to se that could not strictly be considered as bills for levying mo res : at d the advantage of a change with regard to those bills mom he ithiversally allowed, as some of the most useful enact swab originuting with their Lordships had been stopped by tr.: traistenee of a pci,alty that they had no power to escape from. This vOl beyond the strict intention of the l'onstitution„ and far beyond the whnlesunie jealousy that the other !louse of Parliament ought to exercise. He did not wish to pass any censure on the House of Commons for *vire upon their present system. The evil had bun of idow grovels. and their Isintshies were equally responsible for its existence with the other House of Parliament. He had no Irish that any encreethments should be made on the authority of die other branch of the legislature ; but the mthlic were seriously inconvenienced by the undue jealousy it evinced towards that House in originating Bills, and from the quantity of belle (arising in • great measure from that cause) coating front the Hoare of C 01111,10015 at the dose cf a aeries, their Lordships had no alternative but to reject them, and therefore the ;waren of Parliament was not half done. This haste at the con ch:snot of a session, not merely had the effect of injuring the authority and dignity of that and the other House of Parliament, bat was inteenievoue to the best interests of the country. The great advantage of that )louse was that it was a check to the impetuosity et the other branch of the legislature, and that it with more calm ewes would deliberate on uteanstree than a tram popular assembly tined do. All the subjects of the country ought to enjoy the benc- Ft of its taking the full share of legislation that belonged to it; for the removal of wealth and rank from the legislative deliberations of the country would be attended with the most serious cor.sequences to eve:y class of the eyt . imunit y. The Earl of !ALP( X IL fe't it necessary to say a few words in itritWer to the observations of the Noble Baron, which he must remark had ro reference to the subject of the Clerk of Parliament; bat it was impossible for him to let the first part of the Noble'" lent** vbs. relltio.ol lass,niutiVe to the appellate jurisdiction, for bjlappc-ired to have .aken a must extraordinary view of the qceettois, and to have t:rawn conclusions that were not at all warranted by five. He hoped, however, notwithstanding the e e i p,teenie o.' the Noble Itania, their Lordshipe would allow the ',v. le. to work, and not hastily give it up, fur he believed it would Iry eitcoded with :Ire nowt beoehcial edicts. Ile begged to remind t..ett Lor!slios that it was nut without long and serious inquiry ti..st the sesangewelt was adopt. d, and it was in consequence of the own her of ay:ells that were before the House, and the impossibility alp dung justice to the eubjeces of the country, without adopting sortie course to expedite the bearing of eppenle. Front the --- nos oh' the Noble Baron, it might be interred that the 'meet had been made without dim co isideration; but ild re'er to their Loritsitips' recollect+ n, if it dial not meet .e most ottature deliberation. Did eh: it le inieltips take the ,shy piece-meal? The contrary every NoMe lewd knew was t. fire question had been referred to a s:lect committee of ,ordshipe House, which was composed of all parties, and whom the whole question was laid, litany members of which west cognioint with that part of the Cnited Kingdom which .oveitient in question was principally intended to relieve, by of the inoneuee accumulation of appeals that had accrued t. A Ace long consideration, the Committee pro,sweil the in question, which, after the flatten deliberation, al:hough Id sd Mt ibere sass ditterenee of opiiiiun upon it Et the close r detribA. it was aweed upon. The Noble Lord haul said reamstances would prevent Peels from giving their opinion tally to SllitOnl at their I.ords'airs' bar ; but he would say • House were wily doing an at of justice by forming the neat they had done, for whatever difference of opinion ;eat he as to the pennaneat system, someihing ntust dune to get rid of hie arrears ed . appeals that had aceamulated. The Commission that had been appointed to consider of the administration of justice in Scotland might be effective; Int let it answer the most sanguine expectations of its most zealous supporters, how were they to get rid of the existing arrears? Ile would defy the Noble Baron to point out any other tootle that could be adopted that would answer the purpose for which it was intended better than the plan now acted upon. The promoters of the measote had been ready, both in and out of the Committee, to attend to any suggestions that might be proposed, that would be likely to further the object they had in view ; but this plan appeared to be the most effectual that could be devised ; and from the short experience their Lordships had had of it, they bad every reason to be satisfied with it. Ile knew not what cha racter the arrangement might bear out of doors, amongst those who must necessarily be totally ignorant of its operation ; but he could assert that it was working well, as every man knew who was acquainted with it. With regard to that part of the Noble Lord's speech, when he spokeof the insuring the attendance of Peers, he would maintain, that whether three. thirty, or three hundred Peers were present, the House was equally competent to come to a de cision in its judicial capacity. But the Noble Lewd must recollect that whenever, and as often an they chose, Noble Lords might take their places in the House to hear all or any appeal uses that cause before it. The present was not a new arrangement as to numbers. In that House there must be three members to constitute a Mouse, and in the other forty were necessary ; but it did not follow that those members must decide upon all the questions that came before them for that day ; but the object of that arrangement, with regard to meusbers, was to set the proceedings going. Sonic of their Lord ships were aware that a Noble and Learned Lord had precluded ' himself from the obligation of attending, in consequence of his being above the age at which Peers were exempted from doing their duty in Parliament, and his name was not on the book ; still that Noble and Learned Lord, it was well known, came down very regularly and took his seat to hear appeals. The House was to consider if it would be advisable to give up • me& sure that secures: • House eatery day, under the severe pressure of arrears that required their Lordships early and earnest attention, or l leave that urgent business in uncertainty as it had been before left, to the inconvenience of every suitor who bad an appeal to bring to their Lordships' bar. 11/.1 Lordship sincerely hoped, for the credit , and honour of the House, they would give the experiment • fair trial. Lord CA ',THORPE explained. Lord lIOLLANI)said that he did not mean to prolong the con venation, but it was incumbent upon him to say a few words in imply to what had been said by the Noble Earl. It was perfectly true that the subject to which the Noble Baron had adverted, had been considered by that House, and it was found that great diffl ' cultic* were involved in it. He must say, that when he came to consider that question, he had no hesitation in pronouncing it the most unparliamentary proceeding he had ever witnessed in the whole of his experience in that !louse, end one that militated more against the honour of Parliament than any other within his recoi -1 lection. It might be nattiest for the convenience of suitors, but it was the firet time in his experience of the judicial proceedings of the House, that justice was limited and lotted out by • few, when it was the duty of all to deed it out. By this measure, the judicial functions of the House, and, through them, the Constitution itself, were laid pne orate. In the first instance, members were called one be one to discharge that duty, which duty belonged to all. For himself, he did not object to take his share in hearing the appeals that came before the House; but he objected, to this or that man being called upon to perform a duty which belonged to all. For • deliberative assembly, like the House of holds, the very essence of whose functions was to discuss and decide on measure collectively—to have its members ealled upon in detail to exercise their meat important functions, was attacking the very frame of the Constitution ; but convenience was the ratio saidwria, rati,, jos tlflealuria, for the measure. Afterrefiecting upon the arrangement,he was decided in opinion that it would be much better to trench on the Constitution, and make the Commission permanent for Scot land, rather than adopt a principle that would sap the foundation of that House. It was perfectly true that the Peers who sat on appeals now as they ever had, would have lawyer to guide their judgment, and for consultation, to whom great deference wart:Olen paid; but their Lordships should recollect that when they took their scats in that Ilouse in their judicial annuities, they were to decide upon the merits of every cause that came before them, as much upon their own judgments as when they were sitting in their , legislative capacities; and he could not admit of any distinction be tween learned or unlearned Lords. The Learned Lord on the Woolsack and Noble Lords on the benches were Puree in Yarlia seeela ' • and it would be derogatory to the character of the House to tell the people who came to their bar for justice, that one l'eer heard and another decided their causes. tied forbid that that should be the case; but the arrangement gave the people an opportunity of saying so. It would enable them to say that the House was composed of persons, some of whom were compelled on Monday, and others on Tuesday, to attend to their causes by piece-meal. Practically there was no great alteration or injustice in the operation of the ;rem, but It was an exposure of the incom petence of the !louse In its judicial character. Having given much I time to the consideration of this question, he could nut avoid offer-, ing his opinion upon it ; he was defame of making these remarks I because he thought them due to the Noble Baton who introdecod the subject a ith great propriety. He was neatly to bear testimony, as far as his information went, to the accuracy of the statement of that Noble Lord as to the general dissatisfaction crested ont of doors by the system pursued at present respecting their Lordships' judicial functions. He hoped, by the completion of the object of the Commission for inquiring into the state of the Scotch Courts, their bonlships, at no distant period, might return to the whole ' some courne they had, until this Session, pursued; and in the mean tints he could not help remarking that that man would deserve well of the House and country who would bring forward a legisla tive measure to regulate the appellate juristlictum of Scotland ; by which toe anomaly would be done away with of one Judge hear ing and another deciding MIMS. The Earl of ITARI(OWBY observed, that the whole question was taken up wrong by the Noble Lord opposite. The object was first to get rid of the causes that Were an arrear, and then they might come to the general arrangement ; but that something was necessary to be done to reduce the arrears no Noble hoed could deny ; and that the system had worked well as far as it had gone, was in some degree proved by nineteen causes having been disposed o(since its operation. With regard to the Dumber of Lords sitting , on appeals under the new system, he would merely observe, that every Noble Lord might take his scat in the Howie, and se to the number who used to attend under the old regulation, it was not more notorious that their Lordships sat at IVesuninstev, than that the number of Peers who attended on appeals were only just suffi cient to make a House. Ile would entreat their lords hips also to consider of the hardship to suitors having occasion to ft* Coun sel to come down to the bar, and on their arrival there found that a noun could not be formed for want of Members. AU this was avoided by the present mystein, and it must be a moat satisfactory alteration to appellants. The Noble Cord hail spoken of the ab surdity of Peers canting in in the middle of a cause only ; but he should remember, if they were desirous of informing themselves they would attend the whole of it. Ile would ask the opponent of this ar rangement if the general incompetency of the House to make a deci sion on questions connected with their judicial functions was not just as much or sa little known before as it was now ? Ile thought the Noble Lord on the Woolsack entitled to the thanks of the House for having provided a Noble and Learned Lonl, who wait in every re spect so competent to take his place. As to the Noble and Learned Lord's not being acquainted with the forms of the House and all the duties lie had to perform in his now situation, the same might be urged against a Chancellor the first time he took his scat on the Woolsack. It was in the common course of events that there must be new persons at different times in all appointments. ' Earl 1).1R NLE Y said he did not rise to prolong the converts-1 tion, but merely for the purpose of adverting to what had been said respecting the legislative functions of the !louse. Ile had urged the Noble and learned Lord on the Woolsack to wipe away the stain that the loos,: mode of legislation complained of left on the I House. As an humble individual he had urged this in vain, but he entreated sonic Noble Lord opposite, who hail more influence than he had, to submit a motion on the subject, and prevent the discredit that attached to the House at the beginning of every See -1 sion, when it Oct day after day only for the purpose of adjourning. At the latter port of the Session it was equally disgraceful to :be !louse to reflect how the busineuthat came benwe it was disposed of.' It would he most desirable it' the Noble Earl opposite would consi- ' tier whether some measure could not be adopted that would not trench on the privileges of the other House of Parlianient. sw• inge, I,e war] 1.4• aires , the Ca , n their larture • were n, lit arr.. Ir i rt‘ r, : 34 1 11. G tl n n.ur, ho %!‘• .t ti..st Jrn• ••!. thm• r. 122.. 61 • COIANIAI. SLAVERY. The Marquis of LA NSIN tWNprese nted petitions from Caine, ehimenhasit, and Devises, in Wiltshire, praying for the aixilition of slavery in the Colonies. LINEN MANUFACTURE--IRELAND. . . Earl DARNLEY said he wished to set himself right on the subject of the bounties on coarse linen exported from Ireland. The Noble Earl opposite had said, that there could be but little objec tion to removing the bounties on coarse linen, as little or none was exported. Ile was surprised at the want of information of the Noble Earl on the subject, when he considered the two Exchequers of England and Ireland were united. Ile (lend Darnley) well knew how consolerable wan the exportation, and since the Chancel lor of the Exchequer had announced his intention of taking ar the bounties the greatest alarm had prevailed, and orders for coarse linens bad been countermanded. For the information of their Lord chips, and the Noble Earl in particular, he would more fur some documents that would throw a light on the subject. The Noble I Poul then moved. that a message be sent to the Commons, re questing them to furnish a copy of the Report on the Linen Trade Committee of the Ileuse of Commons. made in 1R32.--Ordered. The Noble Lord then moved fur a return of the Weekly Sales of Linea in every market in the county of Cork for the last three years, and oho fora return of the number of convictions in the county of Colt for the last three years.—Ordered. These returns, bard LET continued. would chew, that where industry commenced disorder ceased, and therefore it was most desirable that an extinguisher should not be put upon &regu lation that had produced such beneficial effects. The Earl of LIVER PIN /L was not aware that the exportation of coarse linens from Ireland was so extensive, bin as it was pro posed to get rid of the bounden not at once but gradually, he hoped all objections to the ultimate abolition of them would cease. No man could be more anxious than he was fur the manufactures of ' Ireland to flourish, but he was confident they never would succeed if they were bolstered by fictitious systems. After a few words from the Marquis of Laxsoow Ns their Lord ships adjourned. MOUSE OF COMMONS, TUESDAY, MARCH 9. FIRST Mr. Bien t. presented some Returns from the Fint Fruits and Tenths Wice. DUTY ON COAIR. 31r. IVA Llatl: presented ap;tit*tunirCsa the alto printers of Antrim, against the duty on coals.--4)tdered w lie on the table. SLAVE TRADE. Sir W. INMLBV presented a petition from the inhabitants of SPilarit, in Lincolnshire, against the Slave Trade.--Ordered to he on the table. Mr. L. KECK prosenteil a petition from Leicester against the Slave Trade.—lhilered to lie on the Table. 11:113I 111 NA Tit IN LAWS. Mr. J. MARTIN presentell a petition from the artilarl of Tewkesbury against the C bination laws—Ordered to lie on the table. SALMON FISHERIES. Mr. LINDSAY prowilittl a petition from Dundee and Cupar against Salmon Fiblieriek.—(Srderell to lie on the table. EXCISE LICENCES. Mr. C. DUNIDA ted a petition from Newbury against Excise bieenecs.-1 eyed to lie on the table. Mr. I.IIiNO presented a petition from lireinford against the Ex cise Licences.—Laid on the table. POST OFFICE PACKETS. .. . Sir 11. P.IRNELL presented a petition from Dublin relating to the Steam Packets—Laid on the gaVe. WINDOW TAX. Mr. BYNG presented 111 petition from the with of St. An. drew, Holborn, against the Window Tex.—Laid On the table. PROBATE ON W I 1..1.:4.: 111 r. JA MES pre; CntiviTt iietitinnfrinl::llolton, in Liverpool, against the Duties on Probate of %Yak—Laid on the table. CLERGY. . . _ . Mr. GRATTAN, in rising to present a petition from the Irish Catholic Clergy, stated, that he must beg the attention of the House for a few moments, as the subject of the petition which he then held in his hand was one of momentous importance; it was from the Bishops and Clergy of the Roman Catholic persuasion in Ireland, and bore the names of the Irieh Primate, Dr. Doyle, and Dr. Murray : and he felt convinced that the signatures of such eminent persons would ensure a respectful attention to the petition. It complained, chiefly, that the disposal of the funds which were annually voted for the dissemination of education in Ireland was exclusively confined to members of the Protestant Church, and that if Catholic children were sent to the schools which these funds went to establish, they had to encounter all the dangers of prose lytism; and the petitioners, therefore, thought it but Just, consider. ing the immense Catholic population of Ireland, that the Catholic Clergy should hare some control over the management of the fund. Another ground of compliant was the disbursement of what was called the Lord Lieutenant's hind; and he (Mr. Grattan) could state, from his own knowledge, that this fund was most improperly appropriated, an it was well known that if the Protestant Minister was at ajl piqued or dissatisfied, he might come in and turn out the schoolmaster ; and such a power must naturally excite the greatest jealousy. He therefore trusted that the Bight Honourable Serre tare for Ireland would turn his attention to this matter. His lion. , Friend, tic Member for ‘Vererford, had moved for papers connected with this subject, and then the matter might undergo a full and satisfactory discussion. Mr. GOULBURN consoled with the Honourable Gentlenian, that a more convenient opportunity would be affertled for the con. sideration of this question, when the papers which the Honourable Baronet had moved for should be produced, lie certainly should oppose the reception of this petition, as its sole purpose was to ask of that House to place a separate fund at the disposal of the Ca tholic clergy, for the education of the children of Catholics. It was the solemn deliberate opinion of Parliament, express more than on one occasion, that the best mode of uniting Ireland was by educating together the children of both faiths, and not by having separate funds for separate schools. It was nicer expedient that the scholastic establishment should be united ; and the only 'vane. tion that had been put upon those schools was, that the Bible should be read without note or comment. It is not even pretended that the association has ever withheld education from Catholic children, or that there has been any unfairness or partiality. There is, therefore, no ground for Parliament being called on to depart from the system which had been so long eetabliehed : but when the subject came fairly under discussion, which it would shortly do, he ehoeld be prepared to argue it fully. Sir J. NEW PORT stated, that so long ago as last June he had moved for the papery which had been so often alluded to, thinking that ample time would thereby have beet' allowed for a return being made by the commencement of the present Session. Again on the nth of February he had been compelled to veneer his motion, and from some observations that had fallen from him respecting I his tinnier motion, he received a letter from one of the departments whose business it was to furnish the returns, that no blame was attributable to that department, because it had received no intitna. tioa of his motion till the month of February; he thought, there fore, that the organs by whom the orders of that House ought to beeommunicated-wcre to blame. With regard to the petition before than, lie cc: - aialy lamented that it had been presented, as he thought it out of time; yet it was notorious that no one member of the Catholic body was admitted into the management of the fund. It was his intention to move that the subject should be re ferred to a Committee of that House, who might devise some aye-, Wm for the united education of the Catholic and Protestant. He certainly did conceive that this was practicable •; but he repeated, G that in the control of the funds oreminent ought to admit both parties. lle begged pardon of the House for trespassing on their attention before the regular discureion of the question. Mr. DAWSON void that he should take two preliminary objec tions toehe receisiseg of the w r athy : is the first place, it was de scribed as proceeding from the Ithlllops of Ireland 'as a corporate body, which they had bever been acknowledged to be; and, in the next place, it was asking fora grant of money; but even were he inclined to waive these objections, lie should urge that the excel lence of the present system of education in Ireland was proved by the benefits it conferred, as knowledge was increasing not only among Proteeta.nce but also among Moline. If gentlemen would take the trouble to read the Reports en this subject, they would find that in 1773 there were but eight Ischoobs in Ireland, and that in 1821 there were 1,122, and that the majority of these schools were in the west and south-west parts of the country, in the very centre of the great Catholic population. Mr. J. 5311 I'll, was of "motion that nothing would conduce so much to the tnuiqulllity of Ireland as extending throughout it the benefits of education ; for he was fully assured, that if that country was suffered to go on much longer in its present state, it would be for ever lost to this country. To diffuse education among all indiscriirinately who had not the means of procuring it, was the only way to save it. Mr. I'LUNKETT said the petition was entitled to all the consideration that House could bestow on it. With regard to the objection taken to the petition by his Honourable Friend be hind hum (Mr. Dawson) be must beg leave to correct him ; it did not proless to emanate front a corporate body, but it VOA entitled as a petition front the Roman Catholic Bishops and Clergy of Ire land, and he must tell hit Honourable Friend that they were to all intents and purposes Christian Bishops—they had the power of Ordination, anti if it should so happen that any one of three Bishops should secede from the faith of the Church of Rome and embrace Protestantism, he would be ipso . fia-go a l'rotestant Be hop ; he therefore thought that that argument failed completely. Sonic thought that education might proceed on a moral basis, independent of religion : this was a most mischievous and a most absurd doctrine; religious and moral education should always wnrk con currently. There were many points in the petition to which he most cheerfully assented ; and there were certainly Wine in which he could not concur; but he would not oppose its bring laid on the table. . . . . A It E RC ROM IIY was convinced that the inetitution of these schools bad been productive to Ireland of the greatest and most es sential benefit, he lamented very much that this petition had been presented, 114 it was only calculated to give a tone to the adverse partiet on the great question, without working any good. Mr. ‘'ESET FITZOI3I.II.I).—If his Honourable Friend looked to the repeats of the Kildareotreet school, he would find that in two counties in the South of Ireland, where the population was, as to its peasantry, exclusively Catholic, the increase of schools had been very considerable. In these two counties, Cork and Limerick, in libel, there were but three schools ; and at present there were twenty-three (hear): and he had received lately an application front two Catholic priests, re. questing that he would assist them in the establishment of one of these schools. Now, had they suspected that a proselytising char meter belonged to that establishment, it was not to be supposes!— ' it was clearly against their du t y, to apply for loch a school as they h a d so li c it e d. These fact• • more titangeneral volumes of general as sertion on th• other aide of question. The object of the Kil daze-street Assesenesissi eras, to beat out of the field the pernicious publications which had formerly been circulated by other istablish ments. Ile admitted that no system of education could succeed in Ireland, that did not receive the support of both the Protestant and Catholic community. (Hear.) lie certainly felt that any inquiry on this subject ought to be most full and ample, ifan Inquiry was instituted. Ile could assure the Siouan, that from his own personal experience, he know that in that porton of Ireland where the popu lation was ?principally Catholic, the version of the Bible approved and authorised by the Catholic church, was given to the children. These remarks he felt it his duty to wake, in • spirit of perfect sin cerity, and with every wish for the univeraul diffusion of knowledge. Mr. 1). BROWNE believed that the Kildare-street Association had done much good in Ireland, but be believed they had not effected one-tenth portion of the good they might have wean plashed haul they not made it a rime lea woe that the Bil.le. without note and comment, should be read as an elementary book In the schools of 'reined. Now was the Church of Rome singular in the wish that such a work should not be read, seeing that it might be wrested by the people to their own ruin ? No; that opinion they entertain' din common with one of the most ilietinguieheil Prclates of the Church of Eiocland, the Bishop of Peterborough. Mr. Secretary PEEI. regretted that his lion. Friend who had spoken last should have mixed up topics not necessarily connected with this question. There appeared to him two great principles to which it was necessary to attend in the education of the poor of Ireland : the first was to unite, as far es possible, the Protestant and Catholic co: 1111 l unity in one common and harmonious system of education. (Ilene) Unless that objet, was accontplielted, edu cation, instead of being a blessing, became a new source of dieeon tent and dissaiiefuetion. The second principle to be observed was the prormation of the people from any attempt, through the me dium of education, from a proselytising 'quern. They should guard the people from even the suspicion of such an attempt, since that suspicion would most effectually interfere with the beet blessings of education. They wculd sieve with constant jealousy every offered kindness, and fancy in the kindness itself a new mine to entrap and subvert them. It the cherished prejudices of a petiole were once turned against the means by which you sought to enlighten them, then it would come to pass that improvement wes with them at its termination. ii'uch was the principle upon which the Kildare-street Association hail been established; and if it diverged front the ob bcts to which it was directed, it would become, instead of a national blessing, the very origin of discord, and the active fomenter of party feeling and religious animosity. Mr C. ORA NT said, that although he did not agree in every particular with the plan pursued by the Kildare-street Association, he felt it his duty to state, that having, when in an official capacity in Ireland, examined into the alleged charge of pros e lytism on the past of the members of that Asteretation, he was satisfied that it was totally unfounded. He was convinced ton, that in the liberality fl that Association they departed f the strict letter of the Act of Parliament, and permitted the Roman Catholic version of the Scriptures to be read in schools. The petition was then read. On moving that it should be printed, Mr. fiRATTA N took the opportunity of saying that he had presented the petition on account of ita pressing importance, and' he thought that the discussion produced upon it was not likely to interfere with any motion of the R igl.t lion. Baronet (Sir J. New port). iVith respect to the Lord Lieutenant's Fund. as it was ternosl, it was must partially administered. He knew this of his own knowledge; he had applied fur a part of it with the view of assisting iii the establishment of a school, and in looking over the conveyance he found that it was granted to the ministers and church wardens of the parish. He admitted that he subsequently received permission to alter it as he might think proper; but the very cir cumstance was in itself sufficient to shew the manner in which that .fund was administered. The petition war then ordered robe trinted. NEW WRIT FOR L% ItEGI. Colonel tiill'OLlnoretifOr ;ites writ for the Borough of Lyme Regis, in the room of the Marquis of Titddeld decrased— Ordered. EDUCATION IN IRELAND. Sir J. NEWPORT iiav;;;iicelhi;il;;;;;;li.on a future day, move fora Committee to inquire into the best mode of communi cating the benefits of education to all chase" of the people of Ireland. SOUTH AMERICA. Sir J. MACKINTOSH deferred, from Thursday, March 18 to April 20, his motion, as to the diplomatic relations between this country and South America. PEER AND MALT. Mr. h ABER LY the illness of the Chan cellor of 'the Exchequer, postponed, until Thursday next, his motion on the laws relating to beer and male, which stood for this evening. DUTY ON BLUBBER. Mr. SYKES moved for an account of the duty received on blub ber and train-oil from the Ist of January, I le:t, to theist January, In 4, and also an account of the bounties paid to Itritish ships en. gaged in the %Vbak Fishery, during the same period. CRUELTY TO ANIMALS. SMITH presented • petition front the inhabitants of Cliches, for the more eff..ctual prevention of cruelty to animals. .lISOLITION OF SLAVERY. Mr. EVANS presented three petitions from parishes In Netting haniahire, in favour of the Abolition of Slavery. NIL BF N Erf presented &similar petition, signed, as he stated, by seversl of the n:ost respectable inhabitants of Hayleabury, in Wiltshire.—Ordered to be printed. COAL DUTY. Mr. DENNISOX presente;la petition from the inhabitants of Lambeth, in Surrey, against the Duty on Coals carried coastwise-- Ordered to lie on the table. tiILK TRADE. Mr. MONK presented a petition, signed by 200 inhabitants of the town of Reading, engagod in the silk trade, against die removal of restrictions on the importation of silk manufactured goods. lle did not, however concur with the opinion entertained by Cie peti fiances. Ile was convinced that free trade was for the benefit of a free community. It was creditable to these petitioners, however, that they were not so bound up to the accuracy and correctness of their own opinions, as not to fed that others might reason rightly on the same subject, and they therefore stated their perfect willing ness to make the experiment intended at the close of two years. (Ilear.)--Ordered to lie on the table. FREE TRADE. Mr. ABERCRO%IBV presented a petition from the merchants of Edinburgh, in favour of a free trade. (Ilear, hear.) And he was gratified in saving that he most fully coincided with the re spectable and intelligent body of men who had signed that petition, not only on that subject, but in every other sentiment contained in it. They stated their gratitude to Ministers for the reduction lately made in taxation, though they ventured to think that a re duction of direct taxes would give more universal satisfaction. They were convinced, however, from what had hitherto been done, his Majesty's Ministers were entitled to their sincere approbation. To the application of any part of the public money in the building of churches they objected, as a most questionable measure. Ordered to lie on the table. lIA %MEIN AND PEDLARS. . Sir W. INGILLIY moved for an account of the number of li. cences granted to hawkers and pedlars annually for the last seven year& TAY FISHERY. Lord A. HAMILTON presented a petition from the Noble men, Gentlemen, Justices of the l'eacc, and other inhabitants of the county of Forfar, against a bill now in progress through the House, for regulating and improvir.g the salmon fisheries in the river Tay, and the riven and streams running into and communi cating with the same. The Noble Lord complained that this, which was in fact a public. had been treated as a private bill, and had well nigh passed the House before its ruinous consequences were known to the petitioners. The petition was brought up, and on moving that it should be read— Mr. C. GRANT submitted that the subject was one of com plexity, and most difficult in Its nature. It was at that moment under the consideration of the Board of Trade, and he had no doubt that effectual measures would be adopted, so as to preserve the rights unimpaired of all parties. The lion. Member who had i..troduced the Bill was quite willing that the management of this question s h ould be consigned to the Board of Trade. sir R. II EBON said, that the Honourable Member alluded to by the last speaker would do well to delay the third reading of this Bill, which was fixed for Monday next. Ordered to lie on the table. • . _ Mr. Ill:31E presented two petitions to the same effect; the first front the Provost and Magistrates of Montrose, and the second front the I>escon and nine Incorporated Trades of the town of Dundee.--Ordcred to lie on the table. WAYS AND AIE.INS„ The report of the Committee of Ways and Means was brought up and read. 111r.11USKISSON then moved the further consideration of the third resolution reported on the lath of February, and since postponed, respecting the Excise Duties on foreign spirits and sweets. _ . . . _ ..„. Mr. IIU3IE wished to know whether it was the intention of the B' Honourable Gentleman to continue the duty of lOs. 6d. per in England, while a duty of only 2s. lid. per gallon was pay le in Scotland. It' he .lid, it would be impossible to prevent smuggling. Mr. IILTSKISSON said he had expected that the Honourable Member for Aberdeen was aware that the resolution related only to that portion of the duty on spirits that was annual. The amount, he believed, was Gs. lid. per gallon on brandy, and on rum about 3s. and a fraction. No part of the annual duty was imposed on British . . blunts. Mr. lIUME—I understood that the reduction of Is. lid. per gallon on rum was part of this portion. hlr. 11USKISSON—No, it is part of the permanent duty. The resolution was then agreed to. Mr. H I'SKISSUN then moved the further consideration of the fourth resolution, reported on the 16th of February, and since post , potted, respecting the tax on pensions—Agreed to. - - - CUSTOMS ACTS. ➢lr. lILTSKISSON then moved the iii;ler of the Day for the Report of the floods and Wares (Customs) Acts. Mr. DARIN() said he did not intend to oppose the further progress of this measure, not because be had altered his opinion, but because, seeing the sense of the House, which he had never known more decidedly expressed, it you'd be useless to contend against it. There would be time enough for the arrangement of the details. 111.76KISAON complimented the lion. Gentle:nan for his candour, and he begged to assure him that he had no inclination to hurry the-Bill through the House with greater despatch than would be necessary. to give relief at the earliest possible petiud. Ile would take care that the Bill should be bnnight in with the utmost expedition, in order that its provisions might be fully dis. cussed. . . . 13.1.R1NG said, he desired that the Right lion. Gentle man's experiment should be fairly made, and it was important that the duty on silk should he repealed as soon as possible. !k belied the drawback would be extended to the stock of the small shop keepers, which, in proportion to their means, was as much to them as the largest to great capitalism 11U3IE objected to the measure being described as an ex. raiment. He had no doubt whatever of its success. It was a re turn to sound principles, and could not be otherwise than success. ful. There could he no difficulty he thought in taking ofrthe whole duty instantly. He also hoped the Hight lion. Gentleman would consider, not only the great, but the small holders of uncut stock. It would be easy to tie a particular day when they might all re turn what goods they had uncut, and receive their drawback what ever it might be. Mr. E. ELLICE said, that question could be better settled out of the House . It' the act of justice were done to the masters to return the duty they had paid on the stock on hand, he trusted they would immediately employ their workmen afresh. Ailer • few words from SIT 11. PANNELL and 3lr. Alderman Wow), the report was brought up and agreed to. IRISH TITHE CO3IPOSITION ACT. ....... Sir J. NEW I'ORT said he hoptd it wu the intention of the Right Hor.ourable Gentleman (Mr. (loulburn) to plumed with his notice. The Right lion.flent. had given way to hlr.lluskisson, to enable him to bring up his resolutions.] tIOULRURN then rose. lie said ft became his duty . to move for leave to bring in a Bill to amend the Tithe Composition Act or last Session. No one who hail attended to the discussion of that Bill could have doubted that it would require some amend ment, and he had taken the earliest opportunity to submit, in de tail, such amendments as he conceived were necessary to give it the greatest efficiency, and front time to time, he hoped be should be allowed to ittbmit such further amendments as might also ap pear to him necessary. A great variety of objections existed to the measure. One set was addressed to •be whole measure itself ; the other, admitting the principle of the Bill, confined itself to the de tails. He would not then discuss the principle of the measure.' .Parliament had pronounced an opinion that sonic such measure was necessary. On that opinion he was disposed to rest, and avoid till answer to those who objected to any measure at all. It had been said that the object of the Mill was to augment the income of the clergy, and invade the rights of property in the hands of laymen, in order to give additional advantages to clergymen. This objec tioo would be shown to he wholly groundless. Ile was convinced that the principle of the Hill was just and practicable, and he therefore intended to propose such alterations as would make it more operative through the country. The other class of obiectors were those who found (cult with the details of the Bill. lie ad mitted that many beacticial changes might be wade in those details. The enactments he intended W pe rt+pose were in many Muft is extremely minute, and might, in some eases, appear es , worthy of attention ; but they woul tend to make the bill wort mote generally to the satisfaction of all the parties affected by it, He would state the progress made under the IliU of last masa. No sooner was it passed than a brief exposition of the measure, caL culated to give general information as to its nature, without wading through the mass of provisions which its intricacy rendered neon. sary, was transmitted to every parish in Ireland. There had bees upwards of IWO applications for special vestries to riveseffect to the Bill. In 179 instances the result had been ascertained. 2a, rushes had agreed to avail themselves of the provisions of the 11111 3:39ed parishes had determined to adjourn the further consideratim ; the question. An opinion had been expressed that it would be lie culiarly desirable for clergymen to make application under the A; and it was natural, he agreed, that they should be forward, bat it appeared that on the one hand the clergy, and on the other the landed proprietors, and such other persons as were concented is th measure, were both equally sensible of its advantages, for of 1033 advertisements in the Dublin °matte, 107 applications wets by the clergy, and 526 by the other classes, who. except in M stances, embraced the landholders of the parish. The i,Serenee was, that each party, the laity as weU as the clergy, hid ss equal sense of the benefits derivable front the Act. An anxiety had been stated by some Hon. Gentlemen to know under what see. tions the applicatums had been made. The intricacy of the soh*, prevented ham from ascertaining clearly, but he admitted that by far the greater proportion had been made under that clause, by which the parties were enabled to agree in the first instance as to the amount proper to be assigned by way of compensation for th e tithes in preference to leaving it to be settled by Commissicem and this was perfectly natural, as he believed no man, how ever confident of the justice of his case, would not prefer keeping its management in his own hands to trusting it to the arbitrary con. sideration of a third person, in whose appointment he mi g h t oe l y have halls share. lie (Mr. 0 ) certainly considered the introdue. tion of that clause as one of the greatest Improves:units of the /la (Hear, hear.) To those who contended that that clause tended el make the Bill inoperative, be would exhibit the number of instants in which compositions had been effected, as a snislactssy answer. Of 500 cases, nearly one-half bad agree( without any didactic/ PT complaint, and the intettions of the bill had been earned enc. pletely into effect. lie was sure there was no parish in which, when it had been introduced, the lower orders had not manifested' great anxiety for its introduction (hear, hear) ; nor in which, whe. thee it had been carried into effect or not, they had not sensibly felt the benevolence of Parliament. (Hear, bear, hear.) They bad fat that at sonic moment, which he trusted would not be long deferred, that relief would be given to them from the burden, which. how. ever moderated, was still heavy for them to bent. (Hear, hear) Another result of their applications was also satisfactory. It war a fashionable opinion out of that House. and he had hard it echoed within its walls, that the clergy of Ireland were desirous to grasp enormous profits, which they would wring with the utmost alverity from their parishioners. He had heard it stated on Ms other hand, and he believed it to be true, that the income of the clergy of Ireland was, compared with the extent anti value of Mai parishes, far lower than the clergy of any other country. ( Hear.) Ths operation of the Tithe Bill completely proved what lintore could only be asserted without proof. Ile would state, as far as he oar able, what was the rate per acre at which the compositions bad been made. There were as yet not many certificates registered, but he would state the results in his power. l'he diocess et Cashel, it was known, contained some of the best cultivated, the ri chest, and most pr oductive land in Ireland; and the general wealth of the diocese, as compared with other parts of Ireland, was such, that if a disposition to make exorbitant demands on the pan o f th e clergy existed, it would be found there. In that dunces, pp parishes had made returns under this Act, and by them it appeared that the rate of composition per acre was severally N. Id., 2.1.41,, 2s. 3d., N. lid., arid Is. 2d., leaving an average of N. Ild. pet acre Irish, or only Is. 3d. for the English acre. In the dialed Clonfert the rate per ace was less. According to the returns fee ten parishes , it was severally I Id., 10d., 12d., 9d., ficL, I Id., 74 lid., 12d., and 131, leaving, in full intisfaction of all datum fee tithe, an average per acre Irish of I Id., or fwd. on the Englise acre. lie would not weary the House by going through the le. mainder of the returns. In one instance did the rate of comp,. sition exceed N. Ild. on the Irish acre, which was certainly on an excessive amount, or what the clergyman might not fairly dentand. Sir J. NEWPORT remarked across the table, that there wee sonic wealthy parishes in the diocese of Cashel, hut there was sonic very poor. It was impossible to form any judgment hos the returns of particular parishes. Mr. GIII;LISI'Jtn aw.tinued. The House had flfty.one aces before it, taken without selection, except that those parishes had been the most forward to avail themselves of the provisions of the Bill. At all eve, ts, there was. a prima Jock argument for the clergy. Ile then adverted to the cases in which the vattries oaf adjourned without coining to any conclusion. It was with relation to them that the Bill he intended to introduce was principally necessary. One of the great difficulties the House had felt ia the discussion of the present Act was, that the machinery to execute it was entirely new. In order to carry the Bill' us effect, the parishioners were required to perform a Bombe el acts essential to form a vestry. They had then to deliberate on their parochial concerns in a way not unusually mooted to them. Great apprehensions had been reasonably eseressed as to the mode in which they would discharge there dads. He was bound to pay them the compliatern, that they had dis charged them more efficiently and wisely than he had contemplate& In a few instances some inconver.iences had arisen from the unpin vident or careless conduct of the vestries, but he was glad to stare that he had little to propose to alter in their proceedings, though he had much as to the mode of collecting persons to compose tee vestries. He should not, however, propose to raise the qualifier non. Among the causes that had impeded the operation of the bill, some were an utter misapprehension (flits object and nature, others were local circumstances ; fur example, in 110111 t cases one parish formed part of two or three counties, and there was no legal . provision to collect the persons to compose the vestry. In other instances there wan not a sufficient number of persons to form a special vestry. Other causes would be beat explained by the Bill itself. The House must not suppose that in all the us stances in which the vestries had adjourned they were disposed to defeat the Act. In many cases their object was only to see its ration in other parishes. In sonic cases they had fixed a period to re—assemble, and in others they had again applied foe permission to proceed under the Act. Though they had previously rejected it, they had subsequently adopted it. It was a fair ground of calcula tion, that the longer the Act was in operation the better its rest object would be understood. Two great causes were generally as signed for the adjournments of the vestries. The first was the is. disposition of the proprietors and holders of grazing land to submit themselves to the general operation of the Act, they having bees hitherto exempted from the payment of tithe. These persons had not only apposed the Act themselves. but exercised every inflame over the meting% and prejudices of their felluw-parishioners to pas rent the fair discussion of the treasure. lie ought to state that there was no general indisposition by the proprietors of land to agree to the provisions of the Act. Feeling the weight of the burthen impend on them, they had nmerthelt ss endeavoured to persuade their fellow. parishioners to adopt the measure, because thee were satisfied of in general utility. Another class, more decidedly hostile to the Act than any other, consisted of those who possessed neither the en lightened views of the eroprietor nor feelings in common with the persons under hint. This was the dam who, in the absence of the proprietors, tilled their station, but not the blank in society which their absence occasioned. To these persons and the tenant organ lands, the Act gave little inducement to adopt its provisions. They held mostly for a short period, and at a fixed payment and they considered the measure would produce a reduction of their profits to which they were not bound to submit. It was not easy to res move their prejudices, whether well or ill grounded. In their j cases the House trust wait till the granting of new leases threw on the landholder the weight of the difference they were anxious to I avoid. One objection stated to the Act la At Session was, that the average front 1814 to 1821 was unfairly chosen, as that was a period , when the incomes of the clergy were at the highest possible rate. There was a great difficulty in ascertaining the average of the clergymen's income, and they were obliged to take the period team 1814 to 1f221 ; to strike it by 11121 and mn would be nothing ler than a fraud on the clergy. Out of 240 instances, in which agree. ments were made, there was no complaint against the clergyman. In some places, however, if the value of tithes increased, in tubes the, reverse was the case; sad it would be admitted to be difiiallt to strike an weenier to please all. The clergy and the people were alike adverse to making agreements. The inconie of the clergyman was to be measured by the price of corn, which, as it naturally varied, must vary the income of the clergyman. Suppose the la. conic of the clergyman to be MIL while corn was at tiffs. then the certificate would state that fact but suppime corn lower, the ie. come would be lower too, and in many instances much lower than would be necessary for hes support. The two leading proviaiers of the present Bill would be to !allow the Comniissionere to adopt in agreement between the parties, by striking an average of serve years from 1814 to 1021. To explain his meaning he begged to say—take the price of corn for seven years as one term, the clergyman's income for the same period as the second term, the price of cons for the seven years before, as the third term, and the fourth would he the income to he fixed for the clergymen's support. Another object of the Bill would be to qualify voters% and he should therefore say, that each person ought to pare only one vote. The few who paid a great portion of the county ass, did what they pleased against those persons who were not so ic fluential, and whose interest was therefore not always properly at tended to. If any variation was to take place where composition agreements had been entered into, he thought the period for se doing should not be less than seven years. Some of the provi sions of the Bill of last year were rendered inoperative, because of the date for their arrangement being set down as only to take place in the ensuing November after any such agreement for com position was agreed to. That mischief would be obviated by the present Bill ; another object was to enable one collector to collect the rate, which he hoped would be approved of by the House. NVithout going into further into detail, he hoped the measure he proposed would answer every useful object, and promote the interest and the comfort of the Irish people. The lion. nlembey occluded by moving for leave to bring in a Bill to amend the Tithe Compo sition Act. 111r.J. ((RATTAN said it was too much to require the assent 0( the House to a measure called an amendment, before the measure on which it was built was brought to a fair trial. Though the Right lion. Gentleman talked of the measure being tried in 240 cases, he (Mr. :rattan) ventured to say it was not in full ope ration in any one parish in Ireland. In fact the Bill altogether was not understood ; one out of every hundred of the vestrymen did not know the meaning of it. He himself was anxious to get the ales , sure into operation, and had presided at meetings which ended in coining to no agreement. In one parish, where there was TV church and no school, but where there were vicarial and rectorial tithes, ssu of the vestrymen offered 1001. fiw the tithes ; but ultimately the ! came to no agreement. In another case, the clergyman was UV' willing to take the offer of the parish, which was 4001., but agree' to take it at 6001. notuieally, offering to give a bond for the sites i i mhd g—his object in havii the market price of cc income. The stv be carried into effe for such a period. years, or let the averag foe this discussic tions for the consider . HI UM 1:: contended establishment in I were 13 out of 14 p prevailed, irritatior desirable for Ireland all persons ought to I 5., tithes, as the means I Were not yet in the pos for leave to introduce i gal not know. This le iellest was already confuse( Ile. PEEL—The obje be a Bill. If it were dela klimmelf would be the fin moski be a waste of word thought the speech of the sit a very satisfactory rely Mr. tikATTAN—I b the Bill was little unders was no wonder that 23 va DO more. Mr. I' The objet - contract years mould t sanctioned th to amend it. Whe tents would be beta it appeared they we the subject. few words from `ease was give C.l T I N IL so ,rchbishop and other cl Itholics. Irish lawyt llowea•e to Cath thought Lord ( foe Ire . opinion vra nda such Cif 'louse any fu sIADINGE ations were s lotion bein transfer wiabcd :remuneratic Ordnince II Cummissaria ARDINOE ',alumna 11 trite to be ; Mr. Ht 3tE--SUI:r; m Cu ;HINGE in Ordnance. HUMS thought tan to the lowa / I. lIARDINGE. stated was consul .11r. CALCRAI f as the jeet, it might on the vote w the salary d . say he thougl lea than one tl loud in that I ; station in sod having him% as the Gentleman hinise red. He was not in iawao reason why th Resin a tta r tt eitner thi AC y. • Mr. PEEL. said. the Induce the COssidm:ion the could not at present kw had just said, it was Mr. HUM E—Thcn the general &mar of gala doing little ; and he can !alfat the Secretary. e. CALl'it.trT-1 The resolution was th • Oa sae resolution bane labNshment. )Ir. HUME said, he in the course of next yi reduced to what the am of four years to each stu Sir 11. 11Alt the last year. 'flit num establishnient consisted been provided for ; but that w!!en the army was the half-par list. Mr. 1/.I:IIItE3T would rot be cripple Member fur Ail, nleen. 311StEl. The Report of the M rad. ---- IJpee the ro.e for t the barrack &Tart Plttlt .... 1101111101 . :-.1: &weld appeal to the lid singuished for his spirit appealed to him on 7 quoted the Petition of wished for by the pcoy awry for him to woe, fawn from the soldier day, a standing 'nay could not, therefore, t was, that soldiers wet by private individuals pocket of the King; as pose of supporting the He hoped thaefore the Bare he would. at the Ti oat one which he had t it • serious came of c lodged at the e•pen‘c garrison towns end inl of the Gallant Officer, merely ohctlie:tt to th wish to find bi:n a 1, system, it was said, u ter of the eotn:try ' • thi. as a barrack was knot population, which laid and fame which it at which were infrrior to troubling the lloose move an amendment to *mkt add to his amer day ' was supposed to sidered to have incolcat •be went to hi, anie•idnl make the Gallant (till was Off anon duration, a ed all his spec fti=f had been slew sure ho had ever eng amendment, " That it appears to war is lelb more than the barrack department and that 1345,5111 L are] the oirranyear. " That it appears gutted Is to be laid out on the site of the Kin: the heart of the ei:v tary station, seyairat t•; to the many siinuar the kingdom. " That this House suspicion the condoms alstent with the ancient lad than expounded troastitution of the rot Blackstone, who, in after expressly declari kimdonss know no I &soldiery, makes use, i assekaWe words : " • Nothing, then, Gore guarded against power, when such a o allatiact from the peoph enlisted for a abort ar with tt DO inland fortresses, sl still hater, it, by thin sit every renewal or th Sweea the army and th MOW intimately mire " That this 110 toe with the great cinumei hag to discourage the n sum than 90,0151 in current year ; allya, that no new hi amidst or in the ricinitt The kionourable tie wished to nicwr ; aid t lubjects, which they h tiallant Oiliest opposi Mr. PEEL—The of to make whatever cony am for three years volt Vie !louse sanctione: l is would be 1 gkked to amend it. li upon they upon the subject. . . After a few words ft elanation, leave was g C. 17 ` Sir H. PARNELL Catholic Ariebbisl endowed and °the use of Catholics. ; and the hire Is the subset. How sum to & ble Iletjuests thout il before the Lot Attorney-General for believed that opinion Ireland. I 'oder such 4; 'rouble the 'louse and • Sir H. lIARDIN . . - I resolutions we - On the resolution Ii Minn to persons tram depict meat, i . Mr. HUME wish, o made for the remuner ;, ' eanat to the Ordnino .. • t include the Corumisst - 1 Sir H. HARLIN place as if the persor The salaries were to I i • Mr. H ITME--Sup Commissariat, aad i his period of ~ , .nuatien ? Sir H. HA IIDINI ' '.. in the Ordnan Mr. HUME thou; . die hipher to the low Sir 11. HARDINI ba had stated was cm Mr. CA LCRA rl en the subject, it mil few words on the rot ' the vote for the solar ' ••• f Ile must say he that salary of less than or that Board in th ' .". becoming station in I `s that office, haring h much as the Gentler means considered hit employed. He was lee saw bo reason trli 1 ll: ap t:ae eitaer Lb.: ' • Mr. PEEL said. t induce the comillend lie could not at prom be had just said, it i Mr. HUM E—Thi the general setae of a doing little t and he , lia7foe the Secretary fr. CALCR.t rl . The resolution we • • Oa the resolution ' labfishment. 111 r. H U Al E said, in the course of net reduced to what the: of four years to each Sir 11. lIARI/IN the last yenr. The n establishment 1:011611 been provided for ; I that when the anny i the half-par list. Mr. it. tiiiiii:u would rot be 1711 llienbrr fur AK rile 311:st', The Report of thi seat Upon the role fin • the barrack &Tarim Mr. 110111101 . : • &weld appeal to thr tinguished for his si 4 ' appealed to him e quoted the Petition wished for by the p Gary for him to stal faent from the sold day, a standing at could not, therefon was, that saltines by private imlisith ' pocket of the King pose of supporting He hoped therefore sore he world. at th one one which he h, it a serious cause o lodged at the ester ' garrison towns and of the GaiLtnt Othi merely olsedieut to wish to find him system, it was said t ter of the country ; :•t