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,lailon. So, in :qr. Locke'* work u l ion Toleration. 1 r e could perceive nn general principle that could i!..,14 the i r Lord lops—but he could discover the ee , g lat and value of that particular exception which es s intended to justify them in excluding the Ce- Cialmee from the benefit of the Conetitutton. In the work of Mr. Locke, who perhaps did inure than sa e other man ever performed to dispel the loud. I.ferror, Bud to let in the light of truth oti tie Iw ,,f mind, the Learned Lord could see no ar gument f a vourable to the Roman Catholic., el /hough they appeared clear BA palp illlkt tO others. lithe Learned Lnttl could lint , a speck that savoured of h ae ttlity to the Catholics—if lie could perceive a (I ,,tofill point, which, he thought, made for hi* areument—he seated himself on it with delight. „,,,l boasted, that, in an author, generally *imposed to be favourable to liberty, lie boil discovered something which Militated imgainst eme eleims of their Catholic f e llow-subjects. — Ile (Eel Grey) would argue, that the authority of L o cke, in elate of his sentimenta at the Revolution, pass in vour of the motion proposeo their Lord. sham t h; ' night—and that those olino d xi t ona laws were e ma to be considered as forming fundamental parts m l the settlement, but as accidents anteing from liatientar causes, wine!" w ere 0 0 longer ill being, * ,mil l t herefore, could no longer be fairly ( l ooted in oce luat of such a system. The Learned Lord had en d, it ace i m possible for loin to distinguish be te...el opir•tual and temporal obedience—and yet, e r re were parts of the Leerned Lord's speech in elide he shined to admit such a distinetiou. Ile St3lrel, tI.III a difference of that kind wals es. tshhshtd I.ICVIOU% to the time el Henry N . II I. .—tlett it vas, in fact, the common law of the a ! oul ary, if such were the case, then the COM mon law tnimst have been admitted by their Catholic eta:esters, under a Catholic Goer, lament. arpeerr ,l, that an obedience to the !lend of the Church and an obedience to the Ilead of the Go. aere quite compatible with each other. ; If the leen - teal Lord looked to the oath prescribed le tem. Kmatiiiim Catholics by the Act of 1793, he woo:,I perceive that It distinction was made be t wren civil elactlience to the Sovereign, and spiritil II (dee tu the !lead of the Conch—the latter welm, 1:i Testae-al in the most express terms. If tut objection were mode to this distitictioo, it won;,! he towel to wieldy with equal, if tint grinder force, tai CAL !he Gavernmente. Ile said, "it not greater force," bet arse, where the Romen Catliolme reli gion yes that of the State, disputes were fir more likely to 'wee between the. Head of the State and time Iliad of the Church. rot matters of a Tenggara; vat ore, than where the Sot ere igo teas Protestant, nod a pertion of Imis eideject. ere Catholic, praying a vied obedience to him nod spiritual o bedience to the Mead of their Clint( h. They bail known attempts to have been made by different Popes to extend their power over temporal as well as s pi•ittial matters. The EmPerore of Gerttrany, the Kings ot France, and the Monarchs of this camittitry, had waged tiara tin this very sub ject--but he never yet heard lino this divided obedi ence, which the Li trued Li)rtl conceived to b e see dangerous, had produced the direful effects that he lomat &orta-al. This divided allegoitice hail not iutluttd the subjects of culoohe Goverono-ifib to own time la reer of the Pope. If they looked to the Imi•tory of their own country, they would find, that no alas munition hall been eltewn, in remote and trviableoette times', to 'Joey the titaildate. amf the Pope. lo the reign of Edward I. when that Mo narch was VrOCtedill!' e.slie(11,1011 to Scot. 1411(1 i.e was called on by the Pope to place his cause ill the heads of the see of Rome. Ile te",ect eel, with d:. the i n terferetmee of time Pope ; and, %Len he laid before the Barot.e of the realm, au a ceommt of the course lie had pursued, they ap plauded lis conduct, end declared th it it was against the dignity of time Crown of England, against i's Imberty mind law., to sutler the interfere ellee of a forrien power with the internal policy o r the kingdom!. Neither," said they ern' hawed ly, " do vet., nor will we, on; can we, our ought vi e , admit such an interfereore--and, if teen time Prince were desirous that we should bow tee it, we feel, as freetnep, that we < mold, in that case, to oppose I.is ill."—( I fear, heir.) —here civil obe dience was divided lapin that of n spiritual—and, lie conceived, that this portiou of English liistory "11'1'10.4 refuted the am gunteut of the Learned Lord. It acs ufierwards notified to Edward I. that the Erie! erimr of Germatiy anal the Rmtig of 1 ratter admitted he tight of the Pope to decide the pun t at issue. " I t," answered Edward, "the Patin -tor and the Fiend, Ring reponse the quarrel or the l'opr, I tin rtatly 10 give battle to both for the nisintenetice of my Crown." This (enntioued Earl Grey) wan • pretty conclusive proof that the Nlonarch was perfectly convinced that the opinion of hi. eubjeeta was in imeiGet accordance wi th his own. The Learned herd must know, that Act, of I li 'aria:tient were expreesly passed tit diffetent periods to limit the potsrr of the Pope, anal to reatat tiny attempts at crew tog a great influence iii civil mitliirs. lit the reign of Iletiry I. the Statute of Proviemals was passed—in that of Richard 11. the Statute of r'reniummime was enacted—to the subsequetit reigns of Henry IV. Iletiry N'. mind Henry 'VI., in• deed, iii all times down to the Reformation, they would find that care was taken to resist ant . encroachinetits of the Pope aim the temporal power of the Sovereign. Nut only the Nobles of liar realm resisted such encroaeltinetits, but it would he found that even the Prelates of the 1110111:111 Ca tholic y.1011131.i11il were ideamlfest in then" o ppel.. lion. From all three circumstances, it was clear that a spilitu.l and a temper ml obedience could exist, i ia lleptaideut of eat It otliet ; and when time Leartiecl Lind soul that Roman Catholics could not obey time Pope ill spiritual matters—matte's purely kith, anal doctrine tiliconnecteal with temporal concerns—he mast decidedly conteimd that the umeenotent was utterly and totally untenable. All laistoml—atl experiettee—ro• eatiction of the oaths taken by the Catholic s rteauselves—the doc trines which they avowed--the titompearlied and ardent and zealon* loyally which au dietinguished their livee, alio:tied a complet e, u natiewerable, splendid refutation of an t.hicit the Learned Lord had adsatice 41 against their el:Amason this evening.— During, the reigns of Catholic Princes dowel to the 110 di pu siuuua *hewn to blend this sort of spiritual allegiance to the Pope, with that temporal übealieoce which tier Learned Lord laud spoken of, lit the time of Elizabeth, not withotandu g the severity of the laws enacted ug Mist the. Catholic', the bloody Otte pawer, in order to defeat th it loch executions to which they were them subjected, he I was their right, the Legislature converted them Moo never heard that their general disposition was oil- a eeoarete class, and 'ree l ed them as a leafy favourable to the title of tha t Princess, di- p rated ). 'lenge ~,,, sin the established Government of the as it was liy the I'ope, Mho levelled at it all the country. Yee, the Legislature hail. given them thundery of the Veticelo, and o bjected to as I greet plower; lout by It singular system or unpolicy, it was by the greatest Cathodic Pritice of that toostred of attotelting them to the State by a coin ',prim'. Twit Prince had lined the opposite shore inanity of interest—instead of fixing them to the with troops—he lied eniburked an immense army t'overiontent by the bonds of affection—they were MI hoard, what was called the Inviertible Armed i, irrnied as a separate class, whom it was dangerous which way i nteiW l e d to dispossess Elizabeth of her to trust too far. The Noble Earl then proceeded throne. Yet at that moment the Catholics eltrotik, ito examine the nature of the mot then before not from the duty which they roved to their come. their Lordships. He approved of the extent to try—they attempted not to recover what they had I which it went, that of considering the whole sultr iest, nor to revenge the injuries they had suffered— i ject ; and though some Noble Lords might not wish their faith Hui loyulty remained ttioshakeio awl to go the whole length embraced by the motimo, from a noble sense of duty they defended to Go- lie conceived that if relief could be grstoted even out veriomeet which they knew was 1111911 VA In them, i points apparently of minor importance, it would be becau•e it was the Govern nem tif their enutotry. well to entertain the proposition. The Noble Earl the evils mild the dangers of Etizibelli's reign were I argued at some letigth, to :thew that an ulteratom not increased by any detimsitimo on the part of the laright be matte in the different deeleretimie direct- Catholic.; to add a ironwood to the spirituel tube- I et' to be subscribed by Members of Parliament. dience which they conceil al to the Pope. The and individuate taking different offices, se as to Learned Lord next proceeded to II e articles of the me-t the conscietotions feelings of the 'tomato Ca ! Ultimo with Scotland, which, he observe'', stilet. Booties, as well as to )notify the conduct of the Pro- Lited that the Protestant r e ;igion was to be establish- testionta themselves, many of whom lie believed hutt ed as the religion of the State. This, he ndinitted— I scribed those declarations without having at till con but when lie quoted the Union with Ireland, he, totally tittered the subject* to which they related. Ile reciil denied his assertion. It was there said that the heated oil a f ;toner occasion. a Noble Lord distinctly Church tot England, as by Ine estabiNlietl, should I stated, that because the 'tomato Catholics Ib e maintained us (lie religion of the Stare ; but lie fel in transub..tootiattoo, the invocation of Saito*, I esker!, wet there one word in the articles tif Unties and its the sacrifice of the Mass, that they a ere Ithat sanetioned the idea of the peon:timid exclusion not therefore to he excluded from civil rights. of the Cathol:rs from the great privileges or the I The Greek a n d Russian Churches also agreed rot IBritish Constitution? Not a sited could he retool in I these opinions ; is, therefore, they were ionsocent ill those artorles to justify the doctrine or exclusion ; c themselves, why coottitme obnoxious declarations nu hut, on the coterary, if lie real them right, a Vety ?—why should every Member of hello I different interpretetion was to lie tinown from them. Ili:rises be obliged, before lie took his seat, to c Ile believed that they wool.' find in those article, e to the title and denounce transubstantiation. the I Datong ground fir eupposing that hits Majesty'. invocation of the Virgin Mary, and the sacrifice of Mtnisters, who framed the Art, not only hail not the mess, why should they be called on to dentomi- I made up their niiials II) contiolue this system of nate these doctrines ?—why should they exclueen, lint a 'dually contemplated thee.- very 1w obliged tosion an intolerant dogma?—why should no of relief which had since been proposed— they be coal, t- Heil to attribute degrading piticiples (Bear. hear, hear) —those measuie , winch, seven- to others, when in very few instances throe princielee t i teen years after the Urine., the Calliolice were I were ex-omitted or understood—(//ear) —e• loy, still contentling flot—thiise intatetres, by the be l ie I otbeve shout I they Set thus when no ii•to ; mid et:ipo modem of i ITet tiug which the Catholics I ger could be pointed out ?—why did they not, were Petered to siipoort and hiring about that very its conhotantty with the spirit of the boles, free I Otto Winded by Over exp. chanson., they sticri- themselves from the humiliation or so locroleng I lief 11 tliat Leeislat tor. leo lio-e corrupti o ns well de- to such de e leeeiont ? A N o bl e l or e oil t h e crust ' served the rate which artetided ; loot which ho Wall I benefit het quoted the °puttee of Doctor Mdoter, if it had roiatinto:„ and become indeed I and the I....tuned Lord aho followed him had elm the itidepetident Pailiaturtit or lodate', It would cited the authority of that individual. But he have certiell into t fleet long before tins time. the must here pretest sidernrily sogamst ally quotatitot objects which wutn held out to the 'tomato (.7atlitre of the views or feelings or Deet), Milner, with it I Ire, es the great bait and temptation in iiiduce them I view to itilleence their conduct in legislating oil this ! to s iipport the Union. It was stated, is) the 4th j apt !tenni. 'they must legislate on the principle of Hanle of the thine., '' that no permii looldiog giving to the ('edoolics what they felt it was right roods afire sir place stein:d he o-f the Itomin i for them to concede, and not with rei.rence to the Cetholic religion, and that tie person or that reli- claims urged. or the opinions set tip by any Otiti s:inn sl io nfil b e c apable of being el:tatted to sit in i virtual. The Noble Earl conilemeed, ill strong the Ilou-e or Commons, until the Pottiailielit (Ti i terms, the cottree adopted by l)r. Aliih er, who, at the United Kingdom should titherwtse provitle."-- one time, advocated principles the very reverse (:!ear, hear.,)—So far then from the Unimo with of those he latterly professed. The Noble Lord : I rel inJ having debarred. the Dense front repeatiog,, oft the cross-trench declared, that he was inclined to • 'mirth less I examining those obinixious acts and I favour the ultimate success of the qiiestion, but moot et declaretioes, it was expressly held out by the 4th ar- present—atid whirled at present? because Dr.:Milner. title us a sulojeet o:1 which provision might he in a spirit of itotemperance for which he could not tic- made at a I'llllle tiiiie. It was well known that Minis.. count, unless from some private motive of his own, tees hurl, in fact, further measures ill c rootemplation, wishing to prevent the measure of emancipation lett not hiring alile to carry I hem, iilthough they from being carried into effect, had expressed lent ! hail given a plrs.ge at the period of the littiots self in that way which had created so much at , i 11l ad that they slinuld be affected, they found it meet- version. For his own part, every argument he 1 s m.y t o it -li me 111111 tare. wiirsi it emir :wed impost,- 1 heard proved the necessity of adopting this measure t o. li:e for I to redeem their promise.—( l/ear, I without delay, and lie felt thst, if their Lortlehips hear.)—This Leith .aid that tie Roman I meant to mention the position which this countay Catholics etij.oril their religion in perfect rrelirliV, new occupied as a great enipire, they would agree end iii it their extt'otiett limn office was out to he to the proposition that was made this night. — I comidered as a halal-hip, since what was now de- ( I leas, hear.) Hied. them was ain Ater tot ptiliey. The Noble. 'flue Earl of 1.I•ERP001. took the line of ergo ;Earl here entered Into a refutatioto of these doe- i mem on which the Lord Chancellor triad dilated iiittes, and erguell that even allowing danger to he at so much leiigth. The quettion really was, whir tile admission of Catholics to I tiler the Romeo Catholics should be admitted to j oilier, still Iteihing to their relative number a s come I Parliament, to the Privy Council, and to crown Irued to the %hide population of the United Httie- other great offices? lie contended that they could Itheo, that danger never could he considered formula- not without ion abrogatiou of the Protestant Con o hale. To colle to a different coedit:eon, they lionst ate totem ill Church atoll State ; even if the I suppoo , thirst the Catholics were stopeiiiir to the Pre- Claims of the Catholic' , were admitted, it would I testants in namberoto primped ) , and in talent—they not be useful to the great body of that pertma- Imust go further, and be convinced that the Mio- sloth Some few most respectable ROlll3ll Ca narch would be will og to favour them—they inii4 tholic Nobleoneu asol Gentlemen wooed be bens ; proceed even beyond that, awl give way to the iiwi- fitted by it, but the Catholic peasantry or Ireland ginatirei that the King would be placed entirely would not derive any advantage from the girt,' toys ; out at the control of Parliament. Titter more too- tem. Ile would still have to pay his tithes to the tenable p ru pontion, could not be ituagtord. If the 'tomato Cathodic mill to the Protestant clergyman, taut hoot of his Noble netted should he carried, It mild the contests on the one side to scud Itoman wou ld g ive th e C a tholic, e l igi bility to till offices of Catholic :Members to the House, and mi thus uther trust and power. And here hr would say, without to setel Protestant Members, would trod to distract th e r ear o f con t ra diction, th a t e ligitehty to oliiite instead of pacifying that country. was it civil tight, of which they could not be de- I The Minquis of LANSDOWN, in an eloquent prived without the grossest injustice; unless I tweed), which we regret the lateness of the hour those who opposed them could shew that a great I does not reable tot to give, supported the 'melon. dastger existed in their admissiisit to littzli situations j The Earl of NVESTMOULAND, at great length, iii cotont►ato with their Protestant fellow-subjects.— opposed the motion. The Noble Lord allud.d He had been endeavouring to sliew that no such I t o the measute which some time 'Mite was to danger could be apprehended—but whirl' he stated troduced into Parliament, for the avowed relief or that this eligibility wus a civil right sacred in all ► the Homan Catholics, but, althongh the Bull then ''rat' Gurerwin`li ts . ° l 'd to the free j framed was drawn up on the most careful view (Lives iimetit of Englatid, he felt tioat those who de- I of th e subject. sin , b y men o f th e m inio n t u „ rived them of it dill the Catholics to grist out injury l e nt a n d i n t eg rity, this measure was considered —au injury of which they lied io right to complain by the 'tuition Catholics its a Bill or pain. end ;most bitterly. Ile fouteled not their chinos oil right, penalties, and the clergy, in particular, declared, it was a (Proton to be decided with reference to they would sooner lay down their lives than the iiitereats of the Siete. it were necessary that submit to it. This lie mentioned, to skew how the public surety called for an abridgment or cur- esti e niely difficult, if toot impossible, it was to tailment of their rights, the Legislature were Justi- conciliate the 'loosen Catholics, without, at the tied in imposing re o roc tiona; b u t t h e y could not j same time. alarming the Prutestoitsts. He con ttut tail or abridge any subject of flint country of t ceived, imbeithstandang the opinions expressed on his civil right—they could out justilieloly do so mo. Ithe opposite side. that the present moment was very I. ors clear proof were given of the danger winch I unfavourable for a consideration of this question. menaced the Conetit mime, if they adopted a differ- Ilia opinion was founded first, Olt the conduct eta course. It lied !Writ Said that these disabilities i of the Cetheltev themselves, the very violrot did not itemise tiny melees hardship; but could may tnalnirr ill which .hey rece i ve d the bonus uttered onr eetiously moot, that the eligibility which 1 th em by Parliaments and which were approved enabled a 111:11I in the lowest situation of life to fill l o f by man y s incere friends to their truer. Ile the highest offices et the State, if he had ability to 'night venture to affirm, that in no Protestant rai-e him to such a situations which, to a certain t country in the world were the Miami Catholics in deerre, gave the same ooporttinity to the humblest so favourable a condition as they were torte:toed to subject es to the highest Peer—conlol it be lien- I he placed in chits country by the Bill el !triter. touchy usserted, he asked, that such a right was of I The ercutel Iloilo lie would oder to was the coot ie) velue ?—(lirae, hens.)— B ut , i n p oin t of fact, duct of the Cathodic clergy, and particulutly of the Legielelure had giro power to the Catholic's , — the higher classes. NVllat was the mature rat the they were allowed to sote at t lectione—they might A relemlitop of Met blue's appeal, and of Father hold lands by devise or purchase—they might en- ot i ,„,l„i p hyo, wr i t i ng ,. which were i n ! tome the. rich themselves by trick and cutionerce—they c l ot t e d to lie worthy or being placed in cedar end might exercise them talents ort the bar—and thus gui ld ? 'rlie next circumstance which would prevent !become men of toote and truth 111 l ity binoogst thew is cool coostderattroll of this iliteStion was the e -estd. fellow-subjects. But having (migrated en them all 1 blisbiucutof wi_ I: the d er or Jesuits, mid the persecu- tiges of die Cuttsliiution,bitt Ilse means of t Iliot could he becertained may by going into .1 ic mittee. flecould not see how the balmy of a einglr Protestant could be eiol.itirred by rxieildii.c I l e ri. vil rights of the Cot holies; he, therefore, sin liesittitinn in granting cv-ry immui.dy to 1,,e Csilioltes, with t !Noir tlg. tiny Pectinty utottett:. Strangers wrre lltrn Orlierra to withdraw, awl t he [Love divitl,4l. Torre spitetireti— CONTEST 4. NON-CONTENTS. Present 7O Pfesent 1.7 Pluxita sts 11.111 of the Piotteaute :on; Ile believed that the iCtlitlet• of the Poor:giants of Irelaud were wholly tinchingiol isis this sub j •ct, and what the Peelings of the people of Kole:mil were, might be uscertai:ted by the num her of petitions on the table. When the clingy, however, exitretwed their opinion, their Petitiotts were semi: et' by Noble Lords oil the opposite side. If tliev spoke, they were C ; if they were silent, their Itilruce was CoO•loIrret1 U. actitsies (Toler ; 4 i) that they did not kitow what to do. This titte,tion, Ile believed, was fir froth being popular is this coutitry, and such he riot:it:ll a sc a 1... tltt: (ups- Moto of Noble Lords opposite. Tile 41111i.11, was brought forw ird every year except tone, whets a certain powerful Gorernment thought proper to keep it back. But why was it kept back on the very eve of it popular election ? Vs hat au excel lent opportunity bitch a subject 115154 t have afforded In a certain class of statesmen to declaim upon to.. lerution and then with their Whig prior pies on oar side, and their support of the Catholics ou th e u sher, they might have not the people with wonderful advantage. The Noble Lords and their assistants in ittlittllCt place, however, were silent us mice—( A laugh/—and popular as the qtre•tiou was sitilpOSP(l to he, how dal it happen, by some fatality, that notwithstanding the boast of the late g °raptor intisority, too me 4514 were devised for letting the public know who rootlet' that glori ous mitiority. Ile alluded to what h4l fallen from a Learned Prelate, that England had the reproach of tint extending the rights of fire worship MIS far as the other tuitions of Europe. This he be leved not to be founded in fact. But admittiog that every country in Europe, A b tea, Asia, and America, had acted in such a istamier as the Noble Prelate desired, still nnul those countries frt.Cllll.. ElC , lttfid 611111 Itel4lid, the analogy would tint hold. I)id those commies contain two hierarchies, each assuming religious power ? they contain its every p arish, priest against pules!, our its itteco•ssion of wealth, un.l Ilse other of poverty ?—dal they contain one million of one religion enjtoptg the principal wealth or the country and the (Atwell eatablishment, and four milltons looking for these possessions? unless such st state ofrilfairs were shewts to exist lit those coutitries, no analogy could be established. lie denied that concession a odd of tircessity produce conciliation ; for were 'lot the great emicessions formerly granted to the Catholics followed by a violent mid sallguitiary rebeliion ? He observed, that Mr. Pitt was a very sting tool determined friend of the Ration Catholics i but he, poor man !—(Laughter)--iiiit being gifted with the powers of prophecy, required trot only Annie •ecurities for Ilse defroce and protection of the Protestant church, but even that the entices *ions should be consistent with the general feelings of die people. Feeling that the preaent was not a limper time for the agitation of this question, he should vote against the motion. Tie Earl of CARNARYON protested against the principle that the House should decide on the ques tion of Catholic emancipation before they deter mined whether they should go Otto a Committee. He thought the objection to a Committee came with a singularly ill grace from his M ijrstv's Mi nisters, who loot. during the present Session, dele gated every ID atich of the EXtl'llliVe lower to COM , . Mittel.% of Parliament. The objecthiti to admitting Kumar CathOlies into places of civil trust dud power was equally untenable after the army and navy had h e els opened to their ambition. The inillary pro fession had beets made free to the Roman Catholics, and yet apprehensions of their fidelity were affected to be felt when the question arose reverting their admissibility to civil offices. After some further ribservatious, the Noble Earl declared that lie would vote for the Committee. The Duke of Nt. r eLioNGTON said, that the whole question was, what degree of security should be given to the church of England, as established in Ireland, in the event of conceding to the Catholic Claims? He observed, that the Reformation had beets originally tatabliahed in Ireland, not by a general conviction of the truth of its doctritie:4, but by the sword ; and the opposition it met with was followed by confiscations and penalties. All this was repeated at the Revolution, and was still fresh in the minds of the inhabitants of that country. influence of the priesthood over the people was fostered by the remembrance of those events, sod the idea of unmerited and mutual suffering; and no doubt could he entertaitted. from their pre sent feelings, that if the Molitor Catholics were ad mitted to the enjoyment of political power, their first exertion would be to restore their religiots to its original supremacy. He observed, that in every other country in Europe the Pope hail conceded by treaty to the respective Sovereigns the tight of nominating the Bishops, reserving to honsell no thing but spiritual investiture. So it was in France, where the Government having seemed to 'Oros a peaty too favourable to the Papal Power, it was al most compelled by the feelings of the people to alter it. In such proceeding% ilw Governments were uniformly Supported by the people ; but look to the conduct of the people of Irelattdl under simi lar circumstances. ‘‘'hen you talk to the people of Ireland about taking away this power fount the Pope, they look upon it as an attack ton their na tional independence. Did this arise from the peo ple of Ireland having a less clear idea of notional its dependence than other people ? No ; but they felt that if the Executive Power possessed nisy con trol over the appointment of the Roman Catholic 111,111.1,6, some security would be thereby obtain ed for the Protestant Church. Ile commented then on thrill/111e of appottoing I{OIIINO Crltholie Bishops in Ireland, and tetiwked, that eveti its tile case of domestic nomination there existed Ito vontrial in the Executive over the c loci of their Bishops. 'phis was contrary to the usual practice of the State. fur thrfC was no Officer whatever oil whom the only bond was that of an oath ; there always existed some superior to whim, lie was accountable, Hod even some responsibility attached to those by whom i.e was am tttttt ted. 'llt.s would not Ise the case woh regard to the Catholic Bishops of Ireland. Alter a few fist titer othervottoits its the saute effect, the Noble Duke basil lie should vote against the motion. The Earl of DARNLEY said, the Noble Doke had commie-red the quiet as if it aerie of tot rctleoistical rather than a a CIVII Mature. It would be highly desirable to woody the 111111411. of the Pro trstattis with securities, while the Etonian C•tholics were adissotrd to a full participatioss in the 'Wain- 106 NI rjorily pgainst the motion Adjourtird. HOUSE OF COMMONS, MONDAY, MAY 17. A perm!) from the Office of the Secretary of State in Ire land presented real:tin Papers relative to the isatae....l Un Cushult, liolulortost in that past of the United I , :m4.ltini, which were !mil oat the table. DI IMP-CF.. Clitherow's Divorce BM was read the third time and passed. SMALL DEBTS. Nr. DICKINSON won r.lyd several l'etutions from 10 ire% Sotnercelsitirri, praying that MAlr,i+trale. we b, turr rd the Orrisom of Sault of deht under 151 . —Kraal ru l 1.1.1 uo the table. ACTS IN DESUETUDE (hi the motion of Mr. flossect.t., the Mouse went info N Comaiitiee on the Scotch Acts in Desuetude Bill—the Bill was considered.—Report to morrow POISONOUS DRUGS. The Poisonous Dines Sale Rill was (riouzlit read a first time, s,td fixed for •he second ee.ohilz too M I,) held. GLASGOW A::D CAR 1.1s1.1.: ROAD The Givigow and Carlisle Road Bill wdß lend A th ird Bute and passed LosnoN (:.1S LIGHT.w Mr. P. sto,. moved the third of flee a'aitte Bill. General Gh.SCOVNE mused as nn anumelmen I, that the Bill be read a 1111111 time this dry nix months. Mr. Cut.cLot . Go said, Ili it theetieli he lia.l the measure, liecau.r. the !WWI I'S ptilerC o linZ thee-dr Inc tree elet convey deleterious matter to the liver, which would rewire the water itowleolemnie, and iuj.nr lice li•ltettra; yet, as another Company was already csist.iig, and as Ito. Bell tended to produce a spirit of competelimi, lie gllll.l 1.1 sup port it Mr, P. Moone raid, the BM lest most respertr'ele Scribe's bef re it was the 4..4 that the opposition to it iiiigiultc.t in a lustre- of 'near d ote. — There were eight thotismid !lee hundred streets lee tote, of which wily twee hundred a n d thiefy were light , I.y gas.. The question 111 , 111111 T was, WIII tiger there was teat I ewe, for line • •e Companies of the store deseription ? S:r JOSFPIII YORRE said, the consequence of est-ehlishleez two Gas Coneuanies weenie! be the deme action ref hoe h. .1,. H. Sustw auppoctill the Pill, heel thuagla it ex• peditut to have it recommitted, in order Illat Crll-1111 lintl•ts of it might undergo Amendment. Alderman %Vows said. the layinz down of the peres would be surrinteneleal by thee Commissioners of S e v . ' s, who would take care that Ihr Compilers atuelelil ii'.l eat b other, or the streets. tie was of opinion that Ili , Bid aught tee be re-committed. Mr. BENNETT ee eleusrl thE After smut• observations from a Member, whose wino. Cle could not learn, Mr. P. Ninone explained 1 1 The House then divided, when the numbers wee. For the third reading Against it 1.:4 !tfajoeity agaiu , t On our re-entering the tlles'v, General FER4t.•utN "'s• eapreasing a Vll , ll that the troops employed in the tlr•( Indira should nut lie left in that unhealthy g as they usually acre, and that the time of reiviee these might he reduced In some delimit• p ri. d, for preen years.—A certain order, of ahat nature we c.enid not learn, was then ilii.thasged. STATE OF TOE YATION. Sir JouN SECItIGIIT wis'oo! to :A the It glut Hun. Gientlemaii iiiii ter kin (11r. 'Mirror'.) whetlor lie did tiot think it more vonr.-nient, slot whether h e h a d ally ti l i j c o l on to postpone kis inotom I r Committee on the State of tl•e Nation, that stood for to-morrow night, till after the roost l r,rion of the Report of the Secret Committee on die re sumption of ca•k payments by the Bank ? Ti ERN EY said, lie never nie suit to mike his tootiou an oppoititnity for fol r•t rlltng the drfrtte on the Report of the Seiiret Committee. It he thought it would in any manner have that elf c+, lie should postpone it. Hot a pnatponetitroit uf it till after all the steps to he tAkeit on the Itrport, would carry it so late into the Session t;•at he ooght as we ll a b an d on i t a 1t0...4.hr.. Ile had every position to oblige hi. limt. Frieini, but winitiArr that disposition was, his Motion was of such cou•r (lueuce to the nation tut tar; r, that his ditty to it compelled him to bring it on to-morrow night. Ile saw that a motion of uu Hon. Griitlemint o pposit e for the repeal of the duties imposed nit coals, borne or carried coastwise, stood 1 . 1)r 10.1111irt/.w night before his, he hoped the Hun. Gentlemini (Mr. H. Sumner) would consent to postpone it till Thursday. Mr. H. SUMNER said if tie Noble Lord opposite (Lord A Idiom) would allow it precedence of his notice of a Bill fur the Relief of Insolvent titian's, which, was fixed for Thursday, lie should not id,- jeer to postioomig it till that iiiglit. LORI A I.TMORP intimated I,is assent, nwl ive understood Alr. 11. Sumner's i.otice to lie fixed tur Thursdieve Mr. WYNN conceived Ilse Report of the Srri,t Committee was of au( I; extreme importance to all interests in the country, that it was treilinstoble to come to satistai tiny opiiiinii on the state of the nation till it should have been previously con sidered. Mr. TiritNrY said, that if lie succeeded in per suading the 1-1111I+r tigire to his motion for :4 1ritig into a Committee, perhaps he should consent to 1 , :ot oft' the Committee till Friday, alter the Revolu tions me the Report should have heel' submitted to the (louse. Mr. G. CALLAGHAN thought it expedient that the House should he let into the nature o f th e soliitions inteitiled tie be 11f0110.0-.1 some little in.- •ious 10 tee Ilight they should be Cattle(' 111100 iu give an miiiiireal on them. Mr. PEEL replied, filet !irritates it would answer the Hon. Gentleman's views to' say, that the Result.- , times to be mat *tied to the [louse were en coo -1 fortu ity with the opinions of the C, , ininittee, and founded on thee rectointuraidarions of the Report. Mr. CALLAGHAN said, M,11.111-fa ought to he fully slot distinctly in possession of the matter of the I Resolutions, before they were introduced fur dis- CU/00081. Lord FOILICSTONE said. it was iittostrtmeit the Ilomive %hookd nt the tiorrim know p. ripely whit they were coiled upon to vote MI Florist , night. The Minutes of Evidence isken before the Cum