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~~ wry _ To t'he otlser House. it was is agitation, or discw s on, from March or April, and it was proposed tit ~flow that House but a few days. Whet he nner pressed for was but a short tyay, in order enable their Lordshi ps to avail th emse l ves of the information befor e it. Would Noble Loris neposite :tree to grant such ? He paused a mornents.—No reply being madee-the Noble And learned Lord proceedcd. He saw it was deo r mined to push the measure, and he would, there fore. trouble their Lordships with observations upon it s there were three prepositions in the outset of ;Al Bill, all assuming, that tile ancestors of the Noble dee were vestal with the rights of sovereienty as to tiff Isle of Man ; but where was t he prone of these essertioos ? Three times was it asserted ; and thus, " Like s oft bully, has the had and I le wouldeto no further welt the line—but did they ititow in what Sovereignty consisted? Let them : der to Wane!, who laid it down that no Sovereign ; v rented without the exclusive rights of Legislation; iied, ou this ground, he contended, the asserted i..eht of Sovereignty could not be borne out. Ad re,:ing to the other points and detailed consider:a • ten t s ne the ease, he drew inferences from them en) , different from those of the Noble Earl; And, contended, the grounds advanced by the sup :, eters of the Bill were not sufficient to entitle the l'esele Duke to a further allowance, properly speak ing. Notning but the proof of fraud or force c raid justify the breach of a contrail of the kind ; . certainly not, becanse one of the parties stool upon what they conceived to be the rights of the Crown. In such times as the present, circumstanced as this country was, engaged in a perilous warfare, and with exhausted finances, :he granting away su:h a sum as was propesee by the Bill was a very serious consideration indeed: nothing was mere necessary or essential than an econo mical administration of that part of the affairs of the country, in which the wise and upright Mi nister, who was engaged in the trensaetion of the very business in tpsestion, knew and telt to be tee most vulnerable part, namely, the revenue of the country. 'fixer mount pause, and not proceed, ex cept upon adequate information, for to pass such a Bill as the present. ignorant and uninformed upon the subject, as they manilestly were, would be a gross dereliction of their duty. The real state of the case should he inquired ante; they should 'epe e ite the wheat from the chaff; if they meant to give, let teem give like jest men, charged with the interests of the country. The real ainottut of the muchnelkcd of Revenue. should be ascertained, let in ~•,1 l et amount be enquired into, and what was eeentuelly. lost by smuggling. Upon one calculation, to which he referred, the net pro ceeds ow len exceed eight handfed pounds per an num, and for this thirty years purchase would be an adequate consideration; decheeing this from the seventy thousand pounds paid, forty-six thousand Toe nd s would be left as a boon for the relinquishment of those rights and en ivileges, but not sovereignty, with which the Noble Duke Was vested. As to the measure proposed, never did, since the existence of Parliament, a job present itself in so palpable a shape. Referring to the accounts before mem. he contend. ed, that if e:e interest for forty years of 70,0001. paid to the Athol family ear cempensation, added to the pension, were taken Into couternplatioa, they had received 200,3.101. and upwards, and tak ing it at the smallest calculation, it would amount to more considrrahly than 177.35ti1• " At any other time," said c.is Lunlship, n this demand might have beenMaee with less violation to the teeltiies of the pablic, than the present Government of the country had to it, less of good or salutary than at most former periods Tee Administration has at this time not to offer te tae nation any pools ot its baying judiciously innieged its concerns, of any foreign Alliances to sul , prt us in the important struggle in which we are engaged, or to participate in the imminent dangers with which we are daily threatened, and shalt probably have shortly to en counter ; it has not to present any thing of gluty, of success, of Achievement, at the time that Use progress of the enemy is such as to afford ground of snious suspicion and alerin ; and while tee count' y is loaded in the present year, with sit unparalleled accumulation of its • public debt, we so little iespeel its feelings as not to have even the g , ace ot• honesty and integrity in adding to their btu - diens by sanctioning a claim founded, at nest, upon 110 more than a dubious, and, as I drink, delusive statement, the recognition of which cannot tend to raise us to our former point credit in the est iniAtism of foreign nations, or to conciliate for us the confidence or goodwill of the people at home." lie concluded, by apologising to their Lordships for intruding so lung upon their time and attention. Lerd HARROWBY contended, that in acced ing tu tins measure, the House would go with the t. eiings of the public, by admitting a claim both to their Justice and their liberality. His Lordship then went into a comparison between this compen sation and that made to the Duke of Argyle, of ' MOM, for the surrender of an annual revenue ot nu mote than 601. and argued, that this demand of the Duke of Athul's was much more moderate, for giv ing up tire proud dignities And distinctions which, independently el' the revenues, belonged to his fa 'wily in the Isle of Man. Without a dver t ing, as had been done in another place, so the lamentable ant of the Noble 'fete who signed the agreement, and who, in doing so. only bargained iur Ins own lite annuity, without any tetereuce to the rights of his posterity, as he was constrained to accypt of the proposals, such as alone would Lave been received. When this subject was at first agitated in another House. he acknowledged himself to hare been as :Wye' se to the claim as any pn son who then heard him; but on further inquiry, eiel more mature iiivestigetion, be had adopted a ceattary opinion. His Lordship then else:lined the ',thous *fitments and docnments before them in *uplink villas opinion, which we omit, as they con tithed nothing which bad not been already adverted to in the House of Commons. The :Aare* t I IStIe.KINGHAM objefled to a measure of Nell importance bring brought forward at so late a period of the Session, and when it WAS impossible that thee Lordships 'should have been able to peruse, much less to dirst the wet mass of ',epees upon their talk. 'I he House. he hoped, would excuse burn if he was more warm than usual toe this uccac.on, a; so many allusions hid been made to a predecessor of he. (the sate Mr. Greavithe \ his father) by whom this bargain was concluded. The ag•e.ment was made upon the proposal. and by the ma4a;;emtmt of the late Earl of Man,fietd, who 445 nut only a friend, bnt a relative to Ow Derby family, and therefore could not Is.! supposed to have made a disadvantageous bargain for his own relations; so far from Mr. Grenville's ever thinking that thi. was an agreement, which tt would be ne e •ssary to revise in favour of the Athol family; that he was ready to declare, on the honour of a Gentle m tn. that he had often heard his respeded ancestor declare, that he took blame to himself fur having agreed to a transadirm so disadvantageous nn the part of the public. Hi; L ordship then entered into a detail of the statements, for nearly an hour; and in conclusion observed, that there was a Nobleman (Lord Stamm 6), with whom h.t hal differed through the %thole of his A.lministrationt and whose integrity. he would do P. the justice to say, never did, and neva woul d've countenance to such a demand. The Earl ofCA RLIS L Esupparted th- Bill,think • ing that in a bargain cow:tried between a mighty Empire and a simple individual, the latter must. of course, submit to such terms as were offered ; hut it belonged to the honour and liberality of the former, not to suffer the individual to he a sufferer. Lord Viscount SIDMOUTH thought he would not be worthy of a seat in that House, or to be a Member of the community, if he gave a silent vote upon the present question. He was decidedly against the principle of the Bill, and considered it would be beneath the dignity of the House to acquiesce in it. The Noble Deke had twice memorialed the Privy Council, on which there was no dif ference of opinion —and they saw no reason for supposing that the compensetion was not adequate Atter all this, the Noble Duke presented a third Petition, and the Priyy Council then came to a re rolution, that they would hear any fags lie could lay before them. No grounds whatever had been stated to his conscientious judgment, to convince him that the compensation was inadequate. The Noble Personage with whom that contra& was on made, was not dissatisfied I and he contended there was no pretence for saying it was not adequate.— Fraud was not intended ; but violence was insinu ated. He did not conceive that any case whatever of right had been made nut ; and the application of the public money should only be made a claim of pitblic justice, and not through motives of liberality alone. It would be a just reproach to the House, therefore, were they to entertain this claim. They would be entitled to credit, by deciding every case lemmata own individual merits ; b u t if — their Lord. ships passed this Bill, they would lay a foundation for claims in future, which' must inevitably lead them into embarrassments, and which they would find it difficult to resist. The Ea I of SUFFOLK declared his sentiments pertefHy to tea-ee with the Noble Viscount ; and therefore gave his decided vote against the bill. Lord MULGR AVE declared himself in favour of the Bill ; and said, that it was due from the justice, as well as the liberality of Parliament. Ile then took a review of the arguments which had been urged against the measure, and said, that it ill suited the Noble and Learned Lord who spoke some time before, to have delivered his sentiments is the rude and boisterous manner he had done, and to change His Majesty's Ministers with forwarding a job. Lord ELLEN BOROUGH rose to order, denied he had spoke., in the rude and boisterous manner charged by the Noble Lord, and thought he should be prote&ed from such an accusation. Lord MULGR AV E said, he did not think he bad transgressed any rule or order of the House ; when the Noble Lord had conducted himself in such a manner, he thought he had a right to repel his statements with a degree of warmth. It the Noble Lord had used arguments. :and trusted to his abilities and has sense, it would, in his opinion, have availed him more than so much ill temper. Such conduct might do well kr Demagogues in Palace Yard, when twanging the multitude, and talking of the enormous weight of taxes, and want of brilliancy in the viaories obtained, but it could never be supposed to be in the least adapted for that House. The Noble Lord then returned to the ar guments in favour of the Bill, and concluded by ex pressing his determination to support it. Lord ELLENBOROUGH explained, and said, he spoke of things, and riot of persons, and, in ex pressing his id:as of the impropriety of the mea sure, he did not intend it should be understood that be referred to the pea sons bnnging it forward. The LORD CHANCELLOR could not help expressing his own honest judicial opinion on this subjeft, which was, that there was no adequate compensation given. He then made some observe dons on the original purchase tram the Duke of Athol. and concluded by declaring his intention of voting for the Bill. Lord HAWK ESBURY argued in favour of the Bill, and said he thought it a measure not of blind partiality to the Duke, but of mere justice. The Duke of NORFOLK thought, if the Duke of Athol was entitled to any compensation, he could have no right to ask it until the present Annuity tell in, and then the House might cuusider the expe siiency of granting it. A division then took place, and there appeared, Fur the second Reading 3O—Against it 11—Ma ' jority 24. The Bill was then read a second time, and or.- ' dere,' to be commuted to-morrow. The Evidence Indemnity Bill was then read a 1-cond time, and also ordered to be committed to morrow. Prior to the second reading, the LORD CHA!lCat..,os begged it to be understood. that be would deliver his sentiments on some future stage of the Bill, the consideration of which, he thought of the greatest importance. Adjlurned at half-past Twelve o'Clock. 110tr5F. 4)F CoNISIONS. A maim iff e (mm V. Lords Informed the Ilnase that their Lordship" had a:reed to the DiitiHely Export Hill, the Leith Herb wr lat;irierernetut Bill, the Spaiiiih Red Wu,. Rill, the Iruls lithrinati:s hill, the Straw Plat Hul , the I)tibliii 8 I , au4 the Piicherd Vishery Bill, without amendments. mioniEsEX ELELTIOX. The Report of the Committee appointed to con sider of the Petitions of several Middlesex Eleaors summoned to attend on the last Committee, praying that Mr. Mainwaring, one of the Committee, be direaed to pay them for their attendance, was brought up, tea 1, and agreed 0, and it WAS ordered that such us' them as lived out of the bills of mono litv, should receive a compen:ation f r their Inv of time, in three proportions—one party at 11. others at las. and the remainder at :is. each, per man, per day, accot dol l ( to the dirt-tent distances. Mr. HAW EfIORNE moved, that Mr, Woes ti A !if. who is lame, should have leave to address the !louse sitting, on a sunjeft to which he was desirous to call their atteAtion. PETITION oF MR IV. TODD JONES. Mr. WICKI IA M begot by saying, he was very sorry, that, horn the advanced period of the session, there was little or no hope or equitation of seeing again in his place, the Hon. Gentleman (dr. Fos), who lately brought forward the petition of W. Todd Tones, complaining of several ads of severity and oppression exercised by the Irish Government against the said W. T. Jones, a prisoner in Ireland, under the charge of high treason ; and as some of those coafplaints alluded to a period in which he aged these in a responsible situation under the Govern ment, and he WAS now no longer connetft-d with that Government, he hoped the House would in dulge him so far as to permit him to state what had ,patted relative to that unfortunate person dining the t i me he held the situation of Chief Secretary to the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland. The first impri sonment of Mr. W. 'I% Jones commenced, he said, before he went to Ireland, and therefore he was not acquainted with any of the circumstances attending it. The second took place after he went thither, and finding, on inquiry, that Mr. Jones was a man of very warm temper and an ardent mind, and had thereby been impelled to take the active part he had done in distributing books and circtilatitig doarines likely to disturb the peace of the country, he ha.' given orders that he should be treated with as mach fruity, with respell to his confinement, as was pos sible, consistent with the nature of the accusations against him, and with his safe custody. That some time alter this, infOrmation arrived from England relating to him, w;lich was of a more serious and important mrure, and his confinement became con sequently more strict, but in no instance whatever, that he knew of; either severe or oppressive. But though his health had for a considerable time obliged him to withdraw from public busine.s, and he had, in consequence thereof; left that country, it was but justice to that government, of which he once formed a part, to say, that he never knew them in any one instance give countenance to, much more encourage, acts of severity or oppression. He had, during the time he was Chief Secretary, written to General Myers, and other generals, who command ed in the districts where Mr. Junes was imprisoned, at different periods, and had always desired &they would allow him every indulgence which the nature of his situation, and the due execution of their duty would permit. He begged pardon of the House for having so long trespassed on their time ; he thought it necessary to say thus much in justification of his conduct during the time he was in Ireland, and he was sure the House would therefore excuse the trou ble he had given them. • Mr. WILBERFORCE was about to address the House ; when The SI'EAKER rose and observed, that there was no question before the I louse, and therefore the Hon. Member would excuse him for this interrup tion. An I Member had, by permission of the House, been allowed to be heard in exculpation of his own cenduA against charges made against the Government, of which, for a time, he formed part ; but no other Member could, according to the rules of the House, be allowed to speak on the sub jecl, unless he had some motion to ground upon it. Mr. %VILBERFORCE assured the Speaker and the House, it was not his wish or intention to trans gress the rules of the House ; he only was going, as he th.sught he might do in perfeet order, to congra tulate the House on the Hon. Member's having is so satisfadory a manner shewn that the present Go vernment of Ireland had always been averse from all was of severity and oppression. SIR HOME POPHAM. Sir W. BURROWEi said, it was his intention, in pursuance of the notice he gave on Wednesday last, to bring forward certain Resolutions relative to the condun of that gallant Officer, Sir Home Pop ham, during the time he had the command of the Rowley and La , Sehsale. by way of clearing his cha raCter from th.)se severe aspertions which had been attempted to be thrown on it. He found, however, that at so late a period of the session, and in so thin an attendance, the end he aimed at would not be sufficiently answered, and he should therefore post pone the Resolutions to the next session. He was proceeding to read the Resolutions he meant to bring forward, but— The SPEAKER informed him. that as this was only in the nature of a notice for next session, he could not be permittel to go into the nature of the Motion. IMPEACHMENT OF VISCOUNT Mr. WHITBREAD gave notice, that he would to-morrow move for leave to bring in a Bill to continue the proceedings of the Committee appoint ed to conduct the Impeachment against Lord Vis. count Melville, notwithstanding the piorogation of Parliament. lie then moved the Order of the Day for taking iato consideration the Articles of Impeachment against Lord Viscount Melville. which was read accordingly. The several Articles were then read twice each, many verbal amendments made, and the whole Re port agreed to. Another article was added, by way of additional clause, charging Lord Melville with having, after the said 10th day of January, 17s(i, connived at, anti been privy to, Mr. Trotter's having used and disposed of divers sums of money, in the hands of .%)ark Sprott and others. It was then ordered, on the motion of Mr. WHITBREAD, that a clause be prepared, saving the sights of the Commons, and allowing thorn li berty to draw tip any further articles cf accusajon or impeachment against the said Lord Viscount Melville, and that he may be put to answzr the same—and empowering the said Committee to re ply to any answers male to the said articles. The said Committee for concluding the impeach. ment was then ordered to he the Committee for preparing the said clause. They withdrew for the purpose; and Mr. WHITBREAD sown appeared at the Bar, with the said clause. which was brought iip, twice read and agreed to ; after which, the House adjourned. • • A grelt deal •,f inteieiiiiig Naval int iligen,o is in thr: Last Pare. a \V,: this day resiinu, our roc root GALLICIIT, Cie repnrts of whi:h h , vetHn•ll 14:;g rit•Trop ed by the predate of P.ittia. mi-ntary Ljebate. THE BRITISH PRESS. LONDON. TUESDAY, JULY 9. A smart debate tonk place last night in the House of Lords, upon the Duke of A T 110 L'S COMpent (jun Bill, in which the Marquis of BUC K C paid a handsome compliment to the ceconomy of Mr. Arinisn roses Administration, and Lord Et.. EN1131(01; Go spoke in strung terms against the pr.e. sent Mitastry. Mr. I....rtres has certainly resigned in form, b - it it is thJught a reconciliation is not impritaicable. Should none be effected, he will Is,. probably succeed ed by Sit - LAU RENCI. I'AkSC,N S. Mr. N. VANSIT. T departure for Ireland is still deferred ,i,- In the event of his resignati.m, Mr. CAN• 4: %; is mentioned as his probable .trce“or. Ihe Nlatti.,:s of Sr front', it is now said, will be the new Pre sident of the Council. We have received Paris Pipers to the 2Siii rf June, some extraas from wi.icli Are gwvn in 4 1,,111. sequent column. 134.1NAPART4 WAS at Mantua un the 19th of June. The lians ton packet, Captain ANTIIOWV, f-‘ , ll Jamaica, arrived at Falmouth on Frid ty. She left that island on the 20th of May. Off the raw end of Jamaica, she fell us with Admiral 1) scats, hAr. ing under his command siz sail of the line, viz the St. Grege, i'llercule, Vanguard. .titles, Davey, and Veteran, besides frigates. Admiral Coca &AY had sailed far Baba:foes in the Centaur. The arrival of the combined Fleets at Martinique was not knows at Jamaica when the packet sailed : but, from tl.e time of the arrival of the Rochefort squadron in those seas, every preparation had been made for a vigorous defence. llie Jamaica papers, which we have received to the pith of May inclusive, have been, in a great measure, anticipated by arrivals through other chan nels. We have extralted from them all that is new and of any interest. The Crereent, Capt. Lvov, from Tortola, is rived at Liverpoo:. She sailed on the .tyth May, and brings advice, that Admiral 'Nacos r. was to windward with his own ship only, and bad tent a dispatch by the tharreur, dated the gtith May, re questing, that all vesscis at that Island you'd im mediately proceed for a neutrsl Parr, or for Europe, or inevizalde destruaion would follow. A letter from Liverpiol, dated the 6th inst. at half-past nine o'clock, states, that the owner of the Crescent had just received his letters from the ship. which mention, that the enemy's fleet had sailei from Martinique. This report is corroborated by a letter from on board the Hibernia, off Brest, stating that " Sir THOMAS GRAVES sends An account that the Combined Fleets have taken Trinidad, and that a division of it is gone against Jamaica. This news is said to be brought to Passage by a French national brig.' The Aravta frigate is arrived at P/Imonth fmrs off Cadiz, and states, that three Spanish line of bat tle ships ate at Cadiz, and that Admiral COLLING WOOD, with seven sail of line, had just arttved, to blockade that port. The date of the dcar.'es de prune from Cadiz is not mentioned. The homeward bound fleet from the Mediterra nean, consisting of upwards of forty sail, is Ar rived at Rirtsmouth, under convoy of His Ma i rsr v's ship //Neon. The A 'ISOM left Malta on the 1 t May, was chased between Cape St. Mary and Cape it. Vincent by a Spanish 74 gan ship. According to some reports. the Spaniard Laving veiitured tuo far in ehace of the Lively frigate, was unable from adverse winds to regain poit, &oil Ad miral COLLINGWOOD had got between het. sad Cadiz, and sent a line of battle ship in pursuit of her. We think it more probable that the Spaniard was cruising off Cadi,., io etpeStation of some tree sure ships from Sou;:i America, whom she hoped ro convoy safe into port. The expcittion 'Uhler Ovieral Caaio. was Vial; at Gibraltar on the 3161 Ma y. Vestitrday . morning the Loan Cu A ticstLoa and the A51111A,5 AOO2 transaded business M Lord Mi. Li; a s Mice. It is nr.v iindersto4 that Parliament cannot get through tlia basin= beiore them till this day µ•..a. Letters from our squadron, of &eq, state. that on Sunday week two corvettes, and 2t 'Ail of brigh go; into Brest through the Passage du Tlerf were chased and fired ac far sonic time by our la &tore fi,til!a, but they hugged the land so close, as the sailors etpress it, Cll4t it was impossible to ra n= thir eff:aing their purpose. N .. 15 — f ..?.'"" p the Ro 0 ?Iry R. .111, T he mod lo' The dew+ of 11P , T . ere ian ai r urr • : n ' • ' e rnal 14 I'l,o colinte a 1 eXp , Tin etlll.l be,ti an d 74,. 16 — 1. " 16 Ir v. ay Mai This appoos v (1.1 , Th arc as : r ,nr, the sudde :ce cloth, the in some 'the C; 4s sari r t rt fincy that e.,:l47per• it ft.: or old mater Thefeoide of tt i ;;!$, Ali the in s rq,iner's sboi „very fine. oersted, stt ?tins of e N , 17. 'Marl• The Colonel vreor of the tear. le is st r , e turned r c;, , firetory neri fort is con lops op a vi turps appear azzasir gly e king through In the ba-h gr Preston Pass, sketrh 4 Chi C'raIIII. 'I Gaily designer howls and ba priitillk fern lowevel, to 6 tun r - ~ - ~ This pil call PP Lhings SO CI eitta Mots , Couot u%s and M Nrit. Winds° Gr %its 's Pr I more ice cm To-teirro torn. Ter u. ford, A tF.ey sai' r ;.tea Bind "Int The Quip' Saud+ the Ter* eveniat W corrnon 6. n. arid ;vim. Mk. Cheltenlogn Wier seas, Mr. en! Newcaste The g; reason art: Lc; solpctc P1.:7 ierfe; 0 true