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same in a proper and constitutional shape Lefore thrall Mr. Hour WHITE informed the Freeholder,' the requisition for the meeting alluded to by Major Cartwright was then on the table, ready fur their signatures ; after which th meeting was regularly dissolved. ==1;32111211M111MilE INDIA PATICONAGE. The minutes of the evidence given before the Select Committee of the !louse of Commons, upon the abuses of Emit India Patronage, have been print ed as an Appendix to the Report. It is very volu minous, and occupies 238 pages in folio. We have •nly time or room at present for the following ex- tracts : 14th FrOILOART—Mr. BANK ES is the Chair. • GeorgV Woodford The thiamin, Ertl. wet the first witness examined. His testimony . was as follows: Mr. Toet.t.ussoit.—lt may be in the recollec tion of some of the Members who are here, that I rut several questions to Mr. Donovan; there was particular question which 1 believe is more to point thou any other, whether lie had not heard Tithoerdin mention the tome of the Director who had giveu such patronage. Mr. George Smith rivide a motion for calling Mr. Tahourdio to the liar a the House, and I seconded that motion, mat he might be called. On the Friday 1 wept to the In dia House, ant being a Dinretor it ' , remit, bring out ley rotation, to inquire of the Chairs what fur ther they would wish me to do in this business; there was'a Secret Court, and I sent in a cote to Mr. Parry, the Chairman, stating that 1 was there eraitnegitis commands; he seam the Secretary out to me, told me that Mr. George Smith mill the Deputy Chair were gone up to M- Treasury to fix a Committee, and that he hoped I would attend my seat in toe llouse: I came up hereand the House was bill', Mr. Smith and the Deputy, and Me Satoh told utestliet the Deputy was to come to second ins motion; I was very happy to hear it, as it wits in inneh lietterhands then it could he with me. Mr. Grant took itotice, in hi. speech to the House, of a transaction that was now going IM at the India House under investigation; it happens that 1 was the person who made the discovery of this abuse of patronage, and I 1.1)111:1filittfly went to the Director in whose name it was, sod informed h int,as well as the other gentlemen of the Court. On Saturday, as I had been at may counting-horse, 1 was return log, and coining through Lombard -street, when I was accosted by Mr. Emperor John Alexander Woodford, who is my first (mush+, sold trustee un der my father's will to all his property; I war surprised at Mr. Woo dford'e speaking to me, as, ever since my brother's death, he laud I have Lamson terms of the greatest hostility, oil account •f his treatment, as t conceived, of my brother. faintly ; he said that he was sit undone nein. or snub-tinkle to that effect ; cud I told him that Off. taiuly he must know that be war, in my opsuitui, for we could never speak truer; he then told use he ems geing to Mr. George Hitibert, who is my bro ther..in-law, to cossasewscate stwethung to him con cerning toe; he raid, I must see you, alo you Moe at home ? I told him I did not know, that. 1 did not went to see him ; he said, ‘.lkuoie you dine at hinge, fur 1 have called at your house, and I isiu,t sae you to-night at eight o'clock, we must out be seen together 'low." 1 was nay much surprised; and he then said, you reminalier the Write,. snip; I told him yes, I remember three that 4 tnive given to you, and 1 have ecru the retool that I have met with for it. He Oleo toeutioued Mr. Dotiovan's name; et that auresteut I thought I should have fallen down ; I pi/abed him away from me, and told him not to speak to use say more, that I must go directly to the India House, and I ran to the India House nerd asked for the Cluorineu and the Deputy Chairman; the Chairman was not there, but I was informed he vow gone down to visit the India Stud, that the Deputy Chairman had nut beet. there; I asked if any other Director was there, and I was informed Mr. Mills was there; this was about a quarter past one o'clock. I informed Mr. Mills of what had passed, and asked him what advice lie (amid give me? He recommended me by all means to sere the Chairs, but he was afraid that the Depnry might be out of town, and !told him t h e t the Chairman was also goue• ' I told • him that 1 certainly would make a point of seeing the Chairs, if I went into the country or elsewhere • I then lit to Mr. Smith, mill communicated th e whole eireomstaitee to him' ; from thence 1 went to Mr. Serjeatit Heywood, alio is executor and crr trustee with We miler my brother's will, to inform him of what was passing, as we are fighting. in Chancery. Mr. Woodford at this inomeut ; Mr. Seiyeatit Heywood was not at home, and I writ to my solicitors, Metiers. Oddie and Eorsters ; front thence 1 returned to Mr. tier:leant Ileywoorre, and walked with trim to the Deputy Chair's in Russell square, lie oil moat home. l left. toy name there, and that I would cell again; I then went by myself to the Chairman's house in Goweroitreet, he was not come home, but was fiCilteled bottle to diluter ; 1 waited at his house tolirhtglid come limue, 1 communicated the circumstance% him, and he rec waded lore to go to the Deputy Chair's, as he thought he would be home then ; I went to the Deputy Chair's, but he was not returned; I wrote at the back of the note I had left before, to appoint to be with hint at eight o'clock, us .1 was determined nut to as, Mr. Woodford, and that he had fixed that hour to call upon me; I went home ; I did mot know Mr. Woodferd's direction 10 town, but Mrs. G. lisellusmon told me of it ; I then wrote this letter. [Mr. Thellussois delivered in O letter, said it was teed.] I returned at sight o'clock to Mr. Grant's, and . had about an hour's conversation with him. Fear , ine that Mr. Woodford might st.II call upon me in the eve ll illg, I went mid staid till half. c ast twelve at niglit at Mr. Serjeant Heywood's. I ordered a chime to he ready for me early in the mooting, cud went to Clapham, but live minutes before I gut in to my chaise I received this letter. [Mr. Thelbiason delivered in a letter front NIT. Woodford, dated 11th February, 1t109.1 On Saturday night, when 1 returned, I wrote a letter to Mr. Ramsay. the Secretary of the Italia Company, desiring him to send toe the list of any monomer for these three years past, sod he sent me the following f Mr. Thellusson delivered in a list, which was tearti 7Y4 siritership for Edward James. Smith so AL:o. • Rives to Mr. Worelfertl direct 411 respect to that given to Sir Welter James denies, I have lest the honour of his acqnsintattee, but Mr. Woodford said it was a young mail with whom he was particu larly acquainted ; 1 do not know whether a distant relation of Sir Wisher James James, whom he wish ed to oblige; and that he was. perfectly toaster of the Persian languiriest. and that nethiiig bitt India would do for him. I wits very witch pressed for the nomination, and had partly promised it to Mr. Wrey, brother to Sir Buurehier Wrey ; Mr. IVrey was in town about that time, and told me Ins son was not of age for a year and a half to be able to go to college, and in consequence of Mr. Wood ford's pressing me so earnestly for the nomi nation, I ceded to Inn,. It appears, that this Mr. Fry ftlagniac is exactly the person ; that he is perfectly master of the Persian language, mud was mem 1111 l ended by the Librarian to the two Chairs for further preferment, in preference to any other person. With regard to the next noinination, I believe it is given to Mr. Greenslade. Mr. Green slade wile my private Secretary, and had been a person iii the East India Compan)'s service ; he hail made some money, with which he intended to re tire, h u t Mr. Cook, ;4 merchant who failed, deprived him of past of his flintier, and he wished to go Out to (turn a.ain ; he was about etc'o or tett months too old, according to the regulations of the India House. Mr. Wood ford told me, 'hat lit had. 'violating to Mr. Wind. ham or his office,st nontimuitsti for Ceylon, that the Goveruutent were not so strset with tegard to the age as the India House, end that if I would give him (Mr. Woodford) that Madras Writership, he would give Mr. Greenslede hid Cet lots ; ha did Woodford Mr. Greeu.slade his Ceylon, and gave Mr. Woodford toy Madras. Which do vase auporiste to he the Writership to which Mr. Donovan referred in his evidence redly know nothing more than I have told the Co mmittee; I hunr had no cniumunicatioo whatever with or from Mr. Woodford. THE EARL or ct.MITEMITY. In consequence of the extenniatiou of Mr. Red ing, in which your Lordship's name was mentioned frequently, I sin desirous in the first place to know when you became acipiansted with Mr. Reding?— About the month of October. 1805. Ott what occasion did von firs, become acquaint ed with that person ?—With respect to obtaining • seat in Parliament. Did yon see him frequently upon that occasion ? —Three, four, or five times, more than twice cer tainly. Did he hold out that he had the power of pro curing a seat iso Parliament ?—lle did : He refire setael that a friend of his in Parliament, a very respectable luau, was desirous of retiring from Par liament, but wished to make that retiretnetit sub servient to the object of obtaining a situation for a young wan, a relit:lye of his, either a son or a ae phew, to the best of my recollection, and stated. that sic writership could he obtained for the petty, he would .he wilting to retire. Ilene& no wish to save any expense upon toy part, and having no writership to dispose of, the negociatiou' at that time closed. Wes this negotiation renewed with Mr. Reding, ' us - what mouton :—.lt was : having men . circumstance to my friend, Lord Cu , and expressing great disappointment that could not tuv otualued, he told toe that he had a writership uudespeeed of, which, as far as he himself was censerrued, he should be very happy to one ant the reconsmendation to ; stating, at the same time, the, necessity of the noel wiuute in quiry into the character of the party to be recoin mended ; after vatiottasinterviewa with Mr. Reding, in order to obtain from hint the mime of use parte who was to retire, as well se of the person to be recommended, and not heiug able to obtain either, the negotiation ultngether closed. Did Mr. Reding. during any part of this nego ending', offer a bond to your Lordship ?—No. Did lie sit say time offer money for this appoint ment ?-IVhen the negotiation hash clotted, as to the Writership, lie asked me whether three thou sand guineas, laid on Ludy Clancarty's toilette, would induce me to give him the Writership ? which I very indignantly refused ; after which I never saw him in my house mice, nor any where, except meeting I ' accidentally at Lord Sligo's. Did any thing pass between your Lordship and Mr. Reding, at Lord Sligo's ; Lady Clancarty, two or three days after I had thus dis missed Mr. Reding, received a letter, signed, I be lieve, Chttrlotte Johnston, offering her 3,0001. or guineas, for her influence with me to procure a IVritership, and appointing a shop in the Strand to meet the party and receive the money ; this letter was, of course, put into the fire, without any notice being taken of it ; but the sum tally ing so exactly with that Mr. Reding had offered, and coining so immediately after Reding Reding's proposal of the sonic nature, when I tact him at Lord Sligo's, I desired him to take care not to allow his friends to write any snore impertinent letters to Lady Clancarty; and when he was gone nut of the room, I apologized to Lord Sligo for having made use of such language to a person iii his house, and hiforroad hint of the reasons for my so doing. Mr. Reding, however. denied hating any thing to say to the latter. Did he ever give you to understand at whose disposal this Seat is Parliament was, which he o ff er ed you ?—No, decor; it was upon that, that the negoeaution went off. Did Lord Cartloreagh oiler you this appoint taunt of • Wrinseehip for the purpose of facilitating your being returned to Parliament, if thak could be obtained / by this means ?-.Csrtaialy ; it being shwa to be understood that the party was of suffi cient respectability lobe eligible for dm situation. Did you communicate to Mr. Reding that you had • Writesship at year disposal, winch you were ready to give to his Mend, if the person wool ineuiled was perfectly eligible, provided the seat in Parliament could be obtained ?—I certaissly gave him to understand that I had ; tie that the thing might be procured. Did you ever dispose of any Writership ?—Never lit my life. Do yon recollect whether the mune of )firs.Grovo was nientioned lit any part of this transaction by Reding ?—r o. never. I Did you ever hear form Reding the MDt el the Marquis of Sligo mentioned as connected with ibis transactiat ?—Never. (Jr the Marquis of Bath ?—Never ; I believe no Tune or shy sort las mentioned to me. Do you know to whom this Writership, offered to yourself, was afterwards givco by Lord Castle reagh ?-r-.1 have not the least knowledge. LORD VileOt!lT cete..acestes. How did your Lordship Liecoitie acquainted with Mr. Reding believe it was in the latter end of the year 1805, that I received a letter front Mr. Reding, which some days afterwards I sent to Lord Clam-arty ; I saw Mr. Reding uetween the receipt of that letter aud the coitinini.ication of it to Lord Clancarty, with t!.is exception. 1 never had any knowledge whatever of, or intercourse with, Mr. Reding. What was the subject of Mr. Reding's letter to your Lordship?--1 hail vaceted my seat on the ac ceptance of the Seals for the Colonial Depertnaeut ; the object of Mr. Reding's letter was to say, that he thought he hied the wave. of assisting me in coming into Parliament, if 1 was not already pro vided with a seat. Did any thing pass in your conversation with Mr. Reding relatim; to a writenship i—Nothing what ever; I told Mr. Reding 1 dud not want* seat iu Parliatnent for rays-If, - but that a friend of mine did; I asked him to name the t4 entletuait who pro posed to vacate; this he declined till the terms were settled, with which having nothing to do, inclosed his letter to Lord Clam:arty. and never saw Mr. Rediag afterwards, or had any communi cation with 'him Had you any conversation with Lord Clancarty, as connected with this transaction of Mr. Itteling, in which a Writership was offered to Lord Class carry's nomiuntion?-1 think. some time after I in closed Mr. Reding's letter to Lord Clancarty, Lord Clancarty told me lie had a negocitition with Mt. Reding, with a view to procure a Seat in Parlia ment, which he said had failed ; ittasmuch as the proposition be had mule to Mr. Reding, which was of a pecuniary escort, had been declined by the person who was supposed to hive the halluence to procure the Seat in Parliament. What passed between your Lordship and Lord Clancarty iu consequence of this?-1 should state, ea preliminary to answering that question, that nothing in point of fact ever arose out of the com munication I had with Lord Clancarty, by which the disposal of any Writership Was effected, nor did the nommation to any Writership take place in consequence of that communication. With refer ence to the question itself having been put to me by the Committee, 1 feel it my duty to Rive en explicit answer to it ; that 1 was induced to place a Wricership it Lord Claucarty's and that certainly the impressios under which I did it, was, that Lord Clancarty's coming into Parliament night be thereby facilitated. —1 seated, however, to Lord Clancarty, that I did not feel that 1 could recommend any penal for a Writership iu the East India Company's ser vice, who was not individually, and in point of connexions, a proper object to receive a political favour of such a nature from a Member of the Government, and such a person in point of charac ter as the Court of Directors were entitled to ex pect to be placed in their service, in consequence of soy uommation tile): had placed at my disposal, on which point my decision must be reserved till I knew who the party was that solicited the almond went. Subject to those qUalifications. was it your Lord ship's inteariria to have placed this nomination at Lent Cleric:arty% disposal, to be given in consider atiou for hit being returned to Parliament ?—1 conceived Lard Clancarty, cuhject to those quali fications, entitled to call upon me for the Writer ship if it could be of use to lnin, either for that parpose . or any other that he was interested about, and which hail no relation to a pecuniary traits ectioit. I must observe, hroaeyer. that my conver , satiou with Lord Clancarcy arose out of a particular' case stated, and, I behave, arm never acted upon by him, otherwise than to ascertain whether that case had any existence in point of fact. I certainly did not conceive, in so placing a Writership at Lord Chrocarty's disposal, that it could possibly become the subject either of sale for money, or general barter for a seat in Barliatnent. Do you recollect to whom this writership was given I think, some time afterwards, Lord Clan carty told Me that he had no wish to dispooe of the writership, and that in consequence of that intima tion from him, it was disposed of to the young man who was in my contemplation for this appointment, if no cemannoication of the nature described.had taken place between Lord Clancarty and myself; and that, in point of fact, the name of the individual appointed to that Writership will be found in the list of the disposal of my patronage; bat I cannot specify the name, as there were two or three appoiut meats of mine at that moment not filled up, and as it never proceeded to the length of my doing any act in furtherance of inch a purpose, or to my giving any directioos to Mr. Mtrhwus, the Assistant Se cretary of the India Board, to carry such an ap pointment into effect, I cannot state the particular Writership that would have been so tared if it had led to any result ; but I tan state that any Writer ship I could have so used was, in point of feet, filled up by a friend of my own, perfectly unconsect ed with the transactioo, and that his name stands, in the list before tbe Committee, probably in the appointments of the subsequent year. Was the same of Mrs. Grove ever mentioned to your Lordship in this transaction T.—Never ; I ne ver heard the name of Mrs. Grove in my life, till it was mentioned to me is the House of C 0111101•01 few days since, connected with a story which I bow to be &lee, and which imlneed use to com municate to the Chairman of the Committee the story itself, anti to pat him in possession of all the dames *hick occurred to sue. as best calculated to detect the falsohatatasal to further the inquiries of. the C'o tttttt ittee upon that subject. Was the mimeo, Davis mentioned to your ship in this transaction ?—I think it was on 'same night that I heard the above story iu Douse of Commons that I found a letter me, sable. when I returned home, from a emu of same of Davis, stitinor that he had been sum mid to give evidence Whom this Conintitted, r e sp ec t oa t a Board °Astro! Writership. Vine' was 1 to have been offered or actaalw Mrs. Gam& frump, mph sew' . - • general reluctance to be sailed upon to gilt any evidence in which my mime was conceniell. I num Jiteely wrote an answer to Mr. 13: I tch', to esy, thet he could not do any service more grateful to m 2, th t, attending the Committee, and glum; them every astistanee iii his power in esevn..ug the purposes of their inouitv, and in detecting the falsehood to which his tester referred ; a .•1 I .rick nti the following day I commuliicate.i Mr. Davis'.: letter to the t....itairtnen' of the Cement:tee ; ltiad no miter knowledge of M.. Davi-. our e.er ease . him, and never heard of his natio., except in that letter. By the means of any other Iva- pia:- • Lordship ever eieleavonred to Nein.: any o • • r • person's etoni .g is to 1 1 ...tiasisent?.—; et.. 1.1 nn.. life; I ',ever Lad atiy cow onnic•aton . tore; nor have 1 ever hal any iuterlevroee, cie• • , or indirect, in the di4vot.4l of any writerstupe c;; ; . thaw throe, a list of whi..ll is now belief tee co ot - .• 'flitter, the appoiutineina to which wall ,;,edit nor themselves. REY. THOMAS LLOYD. 4 The following are the only point. in this Geutle man's evitlr.w e:— Hare you never derived any advantage from the . - apriottneut of n Cadet to India ?—I believe r.. w hom was it given I—The sou of Admiral Christie, about two yearvappo. What did you receive for your part in that uego- • • elation 1-1.501. From whom did you receive it?—From the elder Slier. Do you know from whom he received it I—l sup- i i. 6 0 11 pose from Christie. Who gave you. that Cadetship to dispose ofi— The Duke of Clarence; I asked it of him for a son of Admiral Christie. -4104 e Did Admiral Christie apply to you to procure this appointment ?—No ; if he hag, I shard histac used my endeavour to get it for him wieiout ex. pense ; but he applied to Age.ut. Who applied to you to procure it P-.. Slice. WKS it 111 consequence of Slices appite..tiue that you requested the Duke of Clarence to procures tine appointment ?—Yes, it was. Uo you not know to whom the Duke applied ? —lndeed, I sin not positive ; I never beard him locution the thing afterwards. Did the Onkt ask you whether you were to de rive any advantage from it ?---No; the Duk4s, i l imagined that as Christie and I bad Wen turestuatea s at was to give to bins. kave you bees frequently couceraed in matters of this sort ?—No, tudeed. Did you toecive a codetcy from Sit Lionel Do ren l—Yes, I did. lu what year I—l cannot say ; I did not thiak there was soy thiog wrong when i did it. . To whom did you id' that 'oppose Mr. Shoe. Was Sir Lionel Duren's friend of your's ?—Yes; my connexion with him was through the Uoke of • - Clarence. Did you employ Shoe in selling that *mobile intent 1-1 suppose he applied to ate, I shoo imagine. What sum of money did coo receive for that I suppose one alba nfty, or two hundred* pounds, or somewhere thereabouts. Did Sir Lionel Duel! know that you we derive any advantage bens this ?-4 do not he did. Have you made no other application to the De of Clarence for any appointment I—No. Did the Duke, after he had given you ibis detcy, ever ask you what you had doom with at Never. Do you think he would have been offended if be ; thought yen received inimey for it I—lie would um have asked for it if be thought I mama tad's. pose of it, I am sure. • Do yon think the Duke of Clarence keeps accu rate accounts of the St'riten.hips and Cadetshipsbe applies for ?-1 cannot say as to that ; I do not be. lieve be ever got a Wsitership in his life. THE HOS. •A. C. MADMAN% - Do you know t4iii'Mrs. Grove was in England, in the spring of the year 1006 ?—Yes, she was. Do you know where she lived or lodged dun that time ? In Charles -street, whether at Mr. Dons van's, or opposite, I do not know, for she changed from out to the other, but at what period I do not recollect War she, doling any part of that time, in the I . house of Don 'van ?—Certainly. !lave you belted her toy how she became acquaint. eel st:th Mr. Damian I—l have not; I particular ly recollect remonstrating with her upon her ac quaintance with Mr. Donovan, from his character at that time; she was certainly unacquainted with *' his character when she came to ledge there. Dovou know whether she wits ac q u ai n ted with , Mr. }fedi ag F.—Certainly. Did you ever see him lo her company 1--No, never; the way I 'knew she was acquainted, as having, its an executor, a house to aril in York- 1 . street, and she sent him to me, to purchase it from me. Do you know of any transactien whielb Mrs. e Grove had with Mr. Donovan and Mr. Reding, or either of them, relating to a writership/....A g gentleman of the name of O'Hara, the - of a brother-in-lew of mine, came over to this coon try, with a letter for me from his 'sock Colonel 4 6 Taylor, requesting that I would not let the young mall get into troy scrape ; that his father seal very anxious for him to go out to India, and that he bad brought a letter from Mr.. Jefferiee time to Mr. - • Dooovan, who was to procure hit o this writership is when he came to me, he begged of me to get w i • him to Mr. Donovan, which I declined, tellieg hilt the chsracter which I had always heard of Mr. Do. ;•• novels, and that I would not wkh my name to be concerned in tor trenseetion of that notate. asked his the motley he had hrenght *kb trim; and he told me 3.5001. ; that tie was ie . giro toritel. for the evitteship ; bet his ballet said, if there was any dilllctilty abort two or 'tbrie bemired more, not to prevent his getting it': . had his money is his orients box. 1 asked hi who was his father's hanker • I for,int who it was, `. but I went aid,* him to hi s father's hanker, and made hint lodge his money there ; in a week sheet vriteda. preelliety, *tame to we, and old toe that • writership was procoresi, that hieetas to Ire at v ia Keloseon the following Thursday, but we his money from hie fathers banter A . 1 Al I 1 and upon &tied the tleresei. the east