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he w ould hive placed himself dpon a throne of pea pul. ftom whence His Majesty's Ministers could not have driven him.— , ll/car, hear, from the ilMirteriat side.)—Had not the vacchittaii of Mi „den beeh such as to have brought the legality of t he warrant it.elf, aniong.t the people, into ? In the couise of the Rt. Hon. Gentleman's speech, One Chan teller of the Excherpterl there was an expression rortaped, which. it was not his wish to Like any advantage of, but lie had said, as if by m istake, flit the motion of commitment was pro p ated by hisuself, which he immediately corrected into suppolled ; at the seine time, perhaps, ti leer **old have been no mistake of the Hight Ho nourable Gentleman, it lie bud said, that be find roposed, that another should posse the commit ment. He now saw 'the Hon. Baronet who had .waved this commitment to the Tower, and be ,arld ask the Hon. Member for Somerset, whom m, did not • see in his plaice, if the op port unity • :!tl be alforded them now, %took! thee 1.;t) .0 far t h e mem:Area they hrol posited? 11, Irr Oil Illus.-, would not, the be tailed down ote every slight occas,on.— ~ Li j .ted d *tmld ts. , t be cu.' cisral against the .„, e nor etgoti•st the au.lour ct' dn y ,:•.:1 h&c the palmy one rif Guile Jones. If his Friend were determined ttpow giving • ~,,n oinr r to n'tiost.o- , , he hoped it world not i• two 53 COileoelll lbai the sword should lie plac e its their haul% winch were no more worthy to nml,l it that those of children. It was not totes lion to say more on the subject, of the unfo:tan (le occurte.ters than was necessary, but „„„,; its had toren lost, and wheel the +fe rmi', d,nuld come before them, with that of iii ;,•ri: tottort-Attits, perhaps it would appear rrow , , c to ground some motion on the late gs. He trusted that an account would Ix g,rea tot the lives which had been lost; for fro would not have the country think that any hie rstr! , i le. lost, without a strict account being rea der,' of the mode by which the catastrophe rice tarred. As to the letter of Sir Francis Burdett, it coal : nee t alter his 'mission on the former part of his esnd,itt.. If the Hen. Baronet should alter his ioinn, mot express himself so to the House, he did L+. - OW•sr ia ttesituttentn expressed by the Ch in c,.,Jr of .the Bich. quer, but thought, iu case of y e, an went, the letter under their consideration i!toa d h t buried in oblivirm. Toe S ME ER sighed, at this thee. after the all n. tile during the debste ou this subject, Is en:cr it to am explanation of his own conduct. It bat be, 0 intimated that he knew resistauce would be u. , 4 by the lion. Baronet; and although the fieu.• vas sitting, he did not communicate that in formatiosi to them. Now, from every ground of knosiedg.l lie possessed at the time, he had reason to be trelat.Neil. no resistance would be resorted to; Int, owe the Serjeattes being questioned. lie was informed thAt every arrangement was dole made for his being •conveyed to the Tower. After the Serjont had ioforined him, rubsequently, there us M in the street, and he could not get at hie darouet's I Pose, it was for them to determine sla• her tie had been guilty of a &hare of ditty. he a.•se he did not direct the officer to break open d , ior. It would be recollected that he had ~t toe oreessary information on the subject. The wou4l her in mime. than he had not power to F .ee any artier( statirselumpo•im•lied-done mere t! 4.1 /11.1011ge‘i to his duty ;-it might be so cona s.,teicd—he Kit given his advice—it could not be perted ue s:oudd h inu a direction which might haw u• the of f icer's tile in jeopardy. The next morn. g lie did more--hr communicated the doubt to His Majesty's Ministers, and he trusted the House would excuse him for so doing.— It would be for the Howe to consider the mode he adios!, to having stated his doubt. in having midi v., upon it, and hoeing communicated the sante to Rib Malesty's Mulish -1-s, upon a question whore the 1,4 of the officer might have been put in ji.nilirrly. But he could assure the House, he en ink:toll nn amireltension of resistance being used; pereuiptorilv required the Serjeaut to matt Me return of the • Lienatesant of the Tower ; his rower was, that every arrangement had been agreed upon for the due executiou of the warrant. Earl l'eautta coaceived, that no charge could ator,• iu tportant, and, acconlidg to the explana by the Sneaker now, more seeing's in its native a;: host the Minister,. for it showed their Cali ;act tc. be most dastardly on this cteension. (near, he. sr.) 0,, riolay the Speaker bad referred t;.r S. j: it-af Arm* to the Secretary of State for ~ .tonne, USA that assistance was not giticii Minshiy IP tiruiiig. (Hear, hear, hear, from Me tide , fiksiarers.) He 140011 repeat that as-istatice hol opt •l.eeu affileded till !Honda). morning, 0:,:totool 1 tit: Speaker had communicated the of the Serjvalit on Friday evening. That we 'tram. which rained him to the assistance it ill niageoe.dee awl the police. was refused by 0:11, notowstocl the management of the s.silr polite of the kaigdotn—war reftlsrd that leat•iaace so at* hotels 111 t-Ct mililry.—? Hear, hear.) that ../er r ;icon to Mr. Becket. hr was oferred to Mr. Read ; and from Mr. Read be was ro::•rred back again to Mr. Beek, t ; while that per. toa, who alone ou4ht to have given him the :sold eLve 0 g entle s remained in his sanctuary, regardless thr event; and upon hi, bend, and those of his es:leagues, rested the blood which had been -, : , bsi.—(/fear, hear, hear.)—lle. should readily ••• •our tootio::a winch would prevent the *posin g the expulsion of the Him. Baronet. %etch he apprehended wus the object of his late K..eeetiiogs. Vile A TTTTT LY-GFINERA L said, one observation b'l been made by an Hon. Gent. opposite, what ''4d he the coodnet now of these persoits who L.' prrsr e d the permute:B purineit. 11 they had 10 si.iguiti on the sante subject, and knew the coil * pence* to be those which had resulted? lie ‘lght no sorts tOitietiUrliet6 should hoer. assn 'Or in their determination. It had Inc i rout - 'Looted that a better 'node %ou;i1 have been that of ; but the cawltact of the Honourable tempi w as ea c h as could tact adroit of his bring r•mtnandetl ; fur he would have !reined the re- Li. i I of that House as nothing. He would have it :is a per• on of superior rank would hair ip rem-tumid of his- servants. ‘Vh-•t the House of Colontans do in ?het ' but who: they had dune ? They could riiik r • .cked to inflict the sentence they had pissed, and he dirt not regret that tl.e allege had deter.. mined upon the former resolution ; nod, on every groutid, he did out perceive they could have piirsoed a diffeteut hoc uf conduct against the Ifor Ilsrunet. It had In en slated, that Ills Ma ys, • Gorermient should not have come to that tot., ithout well weighing and considering the means which %Vele uvcrssats fur the proper erects hoes of the warrant. Bat that proposition, in hi* 11l l id, was nut founded upon the truth of the case; for how came Has Alujesty's .Government to be more converned than motes. Nor did it more 11..- 1 - mar till nt to take this stilljact into consideration than it lice.cne any tndnidual Meiiiher of the [loose of COontlaollll. l'erlinpa lie himself might be blamed, particularly lor not liaviug cousidetol the mean* of execution, prior to the time of its betsig adopted ; mid lie would, if required, take that blame to himself, Now, some persons in the hist ' instance reeummended a reprimand, hut dill they at the time take Into consideratiom the means El tin sing that reprimaiid Into execution ? A oil why was out 1. 1 1%ei Viltlol, appbed iii the ar guments used s4unist the tam for criinniit itie.it ? Besides, what reasons could Mamie him to expect any resistance 1%0.1141 be used ? For alter he had seen a stateineist, under the hand of a Gentle man, that he did not dispute the power uf that House to commit its own Alemherr for breach of vile„. , e, he did not apprehend the Hon. Mem:at would have resisted. It had also been ellrg d, that all the calamities which had happeuiiiiuthe spire of the four fast dire were to he attribuied to His Ma jesty's Milliliters, because they had slot intuit :ip their minds onthe subject of breaking open the Baronet's dour. The Finn. Gent. opposite ought to recollect how the fact stood. Was not the Serjealit ; the house of the Hon. Baronet twice on fliday ? It was not his wish to press this observation, or any other, as any load of blame upon the Se: jeasit. But when it was said, if the breaking of the outer door had been determined on &Amer, there would not have ensued any of the subsequent mischief, it ought to lar remembered that even an entry was made on the Saturday, sad the warrant was served upon the Hon. Baronet. Although it had been made a matter of reproach to them that the warrant was not executed loaner; yet he could not bare mud* his di ennui) sooner, wheat he had to feral it upon analogy. li•t trusted it would not he un sullied to any infirm ty of his—it could not be imputed to any ignorance of the law ; fur it had been said by the Hon. Gentlemen opposite, the few wa ; slot concerned—but he hoped it would not be attributed to any infirmity of his, thut he did not arrive sooner at hie conclusion. Had not the Speaker great doubt upon the question ? And where tle•ry were no precedents, and he was bound to proceed on purliamentary grounds, by analogy only, it was not evident how he could have arrived earlier at his decision. When the Honourable Gentlemen opposite (Mr. Whitbread) spoke of no doubt existing gn his own mind. he said no mere than what he would have expressed himself, if the execution of the warrant had been left to him (the Attorney-General.) If the House examined the conduct pursued on this occasion. they would not perceive that any ground of doubt was alleged in the first stage of the proceeding.— Even oat Saturday, the Hoe. Baronet himself had not started a doubt against the legality of the worreut be egg executed, for the Sasjeent sea admitted into the house twice.—He, (Sir V. Gibbs) had been applied to, by the Serjeant. fur his opinion its a Counsel, and he felt it his duty to advise him, with due consideration, of the situation in which that officer was placed. He acknow ledges' he felt a desire, that the warrant should be executed, and would not have hesitated in doing it himself, but his advice to him was to a third per son, whose situation hr was bound to take into snow sideratinn. lie appealed to the Idolise, how Minis. tees could he to blame in the whole of this pro ceeding? If they would consider this not theense of Sir F. Burdett, but of an officer of Ilia Majesty's Onvernment, whom the House had ordered to be committed to prison, and for that purpose had issued their warrant for his arrest; if that officer had eluded the execution, by shuttiug himself up in the manner of the Honourable Baronet; it might have involved some doubt respecting the pro per mode of carrying the warrant into force.— It was not part of the duty of Ministers to advise the officers of that House, in what meesier they should proceed to perform their duty. It had been said by the Noble Lord opposite, that Millilitres, In co ns equ en ce of their delay in affording the ne cessary aid, had risulered themselves responsible fur the ensuing censequencrs. The Noble Lord had also accused them, and particularly his Right Hon. Friend, of having refused to grant the neces sary aid for the enlorcemeut of the war. aut. The defecce which he should set up against this charge, ass a denial of tile faet.—(Hear.)—lndeed it would almost appear AO it his Noble Freud had not been present. The question for their consideration was one, which. in his opinion, they could not lung hesitate to decide ; it was simply whetlur there was a force, and whether Ins Right Hon. Friend had at any time refused ? To this point they had the evi dence of the Serjeant himself—wis being seised whether he Lad applied to the Secretary of State fur assistance, and what was the sienver which he received ? lie bad said, that lie had so applied, and the answer was, that all isec. - weary assist ance should be granted to him, civil nr military, if requited. Such Will the conduct 14 liis Right Honourable Friend ; and he laud no hesitation to state, as a lawyer, speakieg before Lawyer., that It Was right to have troll the civil piiaer first, and to 164ve r. fused the military, moil the necessity 14. r •1- fording it was apparent. Suppose teal a military force had been granted, In the tiret instance, and that lives were lost ite the accompluslioneet of the arras!. a hilt M. old the Geomlemrn i n s the opposiie side say? How grave, ic.4l, indeed,lhno just would 11 4 . y have hrouglit utpaiii,t his Ite.dit Freud? It was right to have referred the Serponit he c;vil Nlegisirote ; what then was blameable in his Itn;lit floe. Friend's conduct? The Civil Ma gi. trues %ere the best judges, whether the Civil Power was stiff riit,or military assistance loCt essay. A milit•ry power was a civil ;power, when under a vast! magistrate ; but if the to•litary pow er Iced been graideol in the first instance, he had no hesitation to till, that the Secretary of State would have rsiCeMded has duty:. Noldaine„ therefore, he couteuded, could attach to Ms Majesty's ten for these starves whicN they did not create. or io asoy manner contribute to, but which grove out or crews over which they could have qo coo trool. Sir i()FIV SEORMHT said, that he considered :be [louse wail the country to be extremely indebted to the Bight lion. uppusiie, fur pro ceeding to the extremity to which they dol. with Sir Francis Burdett. lie bail voted awing thew up on the firmer eccasiou, but should not have (14... e so, if he had the slightest ;lotion that the lion. roue could have been guilty of such condOct, us he had since adopted.— ([Weer, i;ottiluct which could never be reprobated audiciently ; tor, if any individual in the country could be to have taken a part store disgraceful than another, it was he.—(Hear.)—lle had thought proper to question the Speaker's authority ;—a question which any nue might start, agaiust any proceedings; and all this, the public was given to understand, for civil liberty. Was it, he ea:mild ask, fur civil liberty, that lie subjected the inhabitants of the metiopolis to the tyranny of the ralible?—(liear, Arar.)—W as it for civil liberty that every passenger was, befure Sir F. Burdett's house, olalt4cd to he uncovered ? Was it in furtherance of thst cause, that he, with many others, was unable to pass down Piccadilly, because ht, for our. war not joeliiicd to he 'mew erect before Sie F. Borden's house Ilear.l—Peshaps it might be thought impudent in him to say, what he was going to say, but he most declare itits his opinions that Celitleuten pi sued too willing to distort all subjects ion party purpmes.--(ffear, hear, from the Ministerial side.) He concluded with a compliment to the Serjearit„ whom he declared to be the person he should like to employ, in any case where personal courage, sod Strict conduct, were essential. Sir SAMUILL ROMILLY said, that he did not wish the question should pass, without stating his reasons for voting &nomast the amendment ; it was not that he differed from those who thought there was a gross impropriety in the letter to that House; but, being of opinion, that the original letter, ad- i drafted lay Sir Francis Burdett to his constituents, did not amount to • crime cognisable by them. He did not undert.k to palliate the conduct of Sir Francis Burdett ; on the contrary, it was a mutter of astonishment to him (Sir Samuel Romilly), that he should he advised to try the question—nut by Habeas Corpus—nut by en action for false imps. *Gement—hut by a trial for murder.—(Hcor,lieer.) —He did not see the necessity even fur a *hew of resistance.—(Hear.)—Plt surprised him much to hear Gentlemen say, with all the consequences be fore their eyes, that, if they were to vote upon the subject again, they would vote in the same way. He would not take into consideration the lives lost, nr the other train of evils and disadvantages that followed upon that vote ; hut be would ark-- where was the dignity, upon allieli Gentlemen so prided themselves, on this occesinn, and which they were inclined to rega-d as a recompense for all inconveniencies? Was it dignified to be reduced to the necessity of acknowledging that they would expel him, hut for the apprehension. not that the rabble, but that the peaceful inhabit ants of Westininster, would return him again, so much did they think that the House wad in the wrong ? Many difficulties had occurred to him. as to the execution of the warrant, which he did riot think it .right us liana stated in. the former debate. Fla feared. that, by so doing. he would have subjected himself to the imputation of having suggested those acts which he only fore. boded; it was sufficient that he spoke in general terms, a ithout descending to particulars. From • review of the whole case, the conduct of Minister. seemed to have been culpable. (Soave Members en the Tremors, soiled.) Gentlemen might smile if they pleased. hut that would work so fresh con viction in his mind ; he should regard it as the na tural and easy resort of those, who relied solely upon the influence of such inarticulate arguments. Liaptain PAAASII said, however inarticulate his arguments might be thought, he must observe. that the Learned Gentleman opposite appeared but too ready to assist Sir F. Bartlett in hoisting the stand ard in the country. Being called to order by the g".....A11111..... He begged pardon for what he had said. but se sured the House, that he did not like to hear such sort of speeenes. when they were not wanting—fa imigh)-1 le thought that the lion. Baronet ought to be expelled, and was pure that he would nut be re-elected by his constituents, when they courider ed the conduct of which he had been guilty ; and that it wa. only to his own ambition he had aspired —(a &sigh.) Sir J•341:5 PULTENET said, thst he was now more convinced than before, of the prorriety of his vote upon the former occasion. He should offer only one word, as to the conduct of Ministers, whom hr vindicated from the charge of delay in granting the necessary assistance. Crptain P4RILER 11U41 Sir S. nallll.l.T explained. Lord POILLHILITiII suggested a modification of the wording of the Right Honourable Gentle man% amendment, by leaving out the word"aggra vation ;" this, hr hoped, would produce that nnani stiity nhieli way so desirable on the prevent occasion. Ile would own, that, in his opinion. the word was not too strong; but others might think so. No language applied to the Honourable Baronet's con duct, however severe, was undeserved; and,though lie (Lord Poraheyter) could not rally round the Go verument, to whose imbecility and indecision he thought that all was owing, yet he would rally round the House, soil it. privileges, and the Speaker' , warrant. It the evil., which thev must all deplore, were orginally oning to the Honour able Baronet, the continuance of them was to I e a... Jibed to the Gov-rmuent itself. lie (Lord l'ofchrster) thought it iiecessary to advert to mime expreraions in the yingidar speech of the. Attorney tit-nerd. Ile had said, that if the House coni mandril its Speaker to reprimand Sir Francis Bur dett, it would have no more efl.rt than if his owl pertains were ordered to reprimand him. then, was toe dignity which Will derived from their iste proceedings? was not this asserting, that they w•iii!ii reprimand him, hut that taey dare not demo ' li e au. lorlll.7.ltAlly 11111.14:Ca to ;or, that he ought stotr, why he thought tnrre would have hewn 'owe to the warrant; the reason nil., that Sir Prins I is. wiii'e he ailmilteel the rialit in the llonye of Corwin:oils to commit its own Menthes's. cet assert td, i,i the same that tile oarrat.t teas i.o: fee might be asked, elf did he net mike this objection be/ate? He would answer, because I.e did not think it any ohjettiou, Such a C 11142 should teeter operate to deter amp from the aysortina of their privileges. But when the Ministry did clas' liver their dilatory opinion to the Serjeaut, *bat was that opinion ? They told him, that he 'mien • use force, but would probably rem thk biek of Perni k ; hanged for it. They then in stook Prieraiirtly for $ fortress. Of the two 1001k4, he •soald prefer that of Ito-Chancellor of the Exchequer ; but suggested tout the word "aggravate" should be omitted. - Mr. STSPHE2 agreed with many Members who complained that the question was departed from: • and said, that His Majesty's Ministers had • right to couiplaiii, that, at such • ti m e, b e f ore t h e Ter anent had vet subsided in the public naiads 11 elm' duct should be atttibuted to them us pregn , act with odium. He was sorry to shod that two ri speet able authorities should Kit the whole length of say ing, that the letter of Sr Francis Burdett did not susouut to a disrespect to the House of Commons. 01,jsciion hail been taken to the word 'Terser tion," in the restitution of his light Han. Friend ; but, if it was nut an aggravation, it he s, at Mee, • high offeuee; yet they would rote for its discharge. He eougeatukted the House, and, he hoped, it would go forth to the country, that, so far from a Meishber of Cie House, as had been reported, ad• young the contort which the Hoe. Bayonet bad thonglai proper to adopt, ii sew appeased that not a single Member, no either lade. enuld be rmild to ad' ocate his eause.—(lieer, iime.)—But the charge of usiscouduet was not merely toadied to Ministers. Gentlemen had been pleased to attri. bate part of it to another quarter, by which it was soon and satisfetorily repelled. The whole care pros ceeded from mistake ; to owe could hate sup. posed that the Hoorsandcle Baronet *mild bare shut himself up in• his biome. In civil scoot:is, it was true. the outer door could not be broke* • but that was 00 reason why the Coon oboists; not be able to protect its own privileges. If • the possibility of resistance was to deter theta from the assertion of their privileges, their pri. vileges were at an end; and if such an argument had been advanced by his Learned Fi iris& ou tbs Op posite ride, it would weigh with bits Assn additional argument for asserting the authority of that Home. —( Hear, hear ' —Hr was surprised that the.Gea tlenteu opposite should have alluded to the riots in the yeary 1780, herweeu which and the present there was no comparison. In the preheat is:stance the aumbers were triliug, and every thew ass aloe darted in such a menace s such wince mod for. bearauce were manifested W the military, that arty Government in former times would hate been raid of it. He denied that Government was grill of any impropriety in refusing a military force is the first institute. ft was uo more the duty of Ministers to direct the Srrjeant, align it was of the Judges, iu Courts of Law, to direct the Sheriff how to proceed • to execute hi„ warrant. But it was natural that they should hesitate for sonie time, it being a subs ject of great dispute, whether the outer door roold he Woke open or not. At all events he diJ Dolt/Mak that any censure should fall upon the Setjeaut, oho was only observing a usual courtesy—Sc far from censure, Miaistets were totals d 1M praise. It might be asked, as it was trimphiotly before, do you call this staadiug by the King ? lie would asswee . that it was—it was mauling by his upo ptemoom lives, which was standing by the Ceostituatem e which was standing by the K•rig. Earl Tempts and Sir S. Holds tire exoilned. Mr. W. WTIIIII said, that the ottattur if the • mob, 10 the first Marne. % was so Milk that C 001• mon precaution is the Government must have itts. rested it ; the boys of 13 years old, who composed it, might have been whipped * and seat to the watch. house. But Mioisters had dreamt of taking any steps, omit the mob had Mt-teased formidably, and appeared under their very noses in Dowsing street. He denied that the privileges of that Room rested solely on the narrow grounds of analogy.— What other Court bad a right to search a man's house for papers as that had done in the case of Captain Sandoo. last Session. He felt that thus letter was a great aggravation of the first offence. If the omission of the word aggravation would pro duce unanimity, he had no objeetioa to it, otber. wise, he thought the expression too just to ho re. Mr. J. C. BlatlllollD contended, that the HO& Baronet ought to b e ex p e ll e d, en d ascr ib e d to h i m en intention to ove r th row t h e G overnment. If he didnot see that the sense of the House was aga i nst 0 him, he would mov e hi s expulsion himself. Lord Mtvroe o bj e ct e d b ot h to t h e motion end amendment. If the letter was to be noticed. it should be immediately, and not hoarded up for lies :-ri . tare operation. MtP LYTTILTOS declared the great necessity there existed for unanimity. He animodvcrted upon the conduct of the Attorney-General; which, be sail, should be considered as en example of a behaviour most sedulously to be avoided—even that Right li•in. Gentleman's compliments to that side of the Home were to he deemed must grossly ie. sultiog. ‘Vi'll regret to the Hon. Baronet, -tie • bad A tee sentiments to offer. Teo.* Geutleiseu who knew thr affability sail amiable winners of the HMI. Baronet, together with the untarnished repo- ,t tation of his private life, would certainly ett , ascribe to prejudice the opinions which be .(Mr. Lyttelton) enterteined of his late conduct. HOW. ever severe end hurtful to his feelings a disclosure .. of those opinions might be, be could not help • stating, that there was not one tittle in the Hon. , Baronet's conduct, which appeared to him to be I justifiable. Sure! ) , it was impossible to defend the i l motives or the sets of resistance to the power of a warrant, when, he sec% resistance, the lives of the p-ople were end:clewed, and the pear, and coder of the toinniunitr were vi. ;rued. Nothiii-s, MI Card. iui to Mr. Fox, email justify resi•tamet, bolt the provei t of ultimate sat cilia ; sod was i r 1 ,„„,:i,1, that a 1n0!,,, opig.siml to the whrile civil and milit ar y force of lire.,t lit..wo, could produce such an et'. . madefect bv ll s e i .;,l ,r d sa n: i t s li s el t i i i r, ii ir d t v i i r t t o i ne t h t e o s th e e rl p et rom et.e ss: Arms urii, tli , • u! j•,•• i,f resigning himself to that . Otiii: 'l', a.. i •Ijiire.l the breach of word, not sway as a political, Lit A prtvate violation. These ib . ..,. „„„ t h,, e,-,,,,,,. , :kike t . 1111 Sir r 11.0611 Billidrtt'S b.•ilaticir, at.,, l i I,« could wet orierlonit. aid „..,0,. h e o ~. c. , ,,iiilPCJ, the Howe would coicider of uhrit maii..iii ~:jury to his cause. The Kw., 1111