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I .+i .t t .PAIILiAMICNT,Any INTELLIGE. ;HOUSE OF LORDS, To uesosT, FEB. Mr. Adrian, from the Tree:wry, presented the Accountsu, Russian Dutch Loan ; and ',arrant', and copies of a arrams, au thorising compensation to officers of the Court of Sessions, for loss of fees. Load SUFFIELD presented a petition from the Justices of Peace of the County of Norfolk, assembled at the Sessions held at the Castle, Norwich, praying foe an alteration in the (lame Laws Ilia Lord ship said that he should not trouble the House with many nheettadons on the subject of the petition ; it was necessary now. ever for him to state, that it was almost the name as the one be had intended to present last year, but which, in conseouer.ce. of wine ivformality, was not presented. He preferred presenting It this day, because he understood an Hon. 31ember of 012 oWee - ,*use meant this day to introduce there his Bill on the subject. He • h op ed to rice the Bill pass through tlekt HOUR, ' • hut that it would • be diftvently framed from that which the same Hon. Menthe in ' troduced last year. Ile (Lord Suffield) should reserve his remarks on the subject until the Bill came before their Lordships ; end he should now simply muse that it be received and read. The Peti. lion, the Noble Lord thee remarked, was drawn up and voted by a full bench of Magistrates, and was therefore entitled to somede gree of respect, partici:holy when it was recollected that the evils ranking from the game laws and poor laws formed the must in teresting subjects of domestic policy. _ _ • The Earl of DARNLEY said, that on the subject of the (hire Laws generally, it was his opinion that with all the appearance of protection, they had all the realities of oppression. Ile believed. that on dela 'object he differed from the Learned and Noble Lord on the.%Voelsatk. He (Lord Darnley) hoped that examination oe oath would be taken as to the way in which • those laws were con -atantly violated, but that the subject would be inquired into by wCommittee of their Lordships, as this would be tr.oresatisfies herr than by its being done before the Muse of Coeemons. The Petition was then reed and ski on the Table. The Earl of SHAFTESBURY moved, that a mestotets be sent down to the House of Commons, requesting the attendadce of certain Members of that noose to give evidence before a Com mittee of their Lordships, for tie purpose u! inquiring into the state of Irish Affairs. The House then Adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS, THVASDAY, FI3. 17. • . fee Robert Farquhar took the oaths and his seat. • BRISTOL PORT DUES. 5/It. DOOHERTY presented a Petition from New Rots, against the Bristol port Dues.—Ordered m boon the table. EQUITABLE LOAN COMPANY. Jr. DAVIS brought up the Repert of the Bill for the forma tion of the Equitable boon Company.—Reads second time. TITHES I.A LONDON. Mr. C. C.ILVERT presented a petition from a distr i ct in South wark, praying for • revision of the London Tithe System.—Ordered to tie on the table. Mr. Ajderrnan WOOD presented two similar petitions from St. Olive tad C.ipplegste.—Ordered to lie on the table. SHIP CANAL. Sir T. LETHBRIDGE presented a petition in favour of the Grand Ship Canal to connect the Bristol with the EnglisinChannel. —Ordered to lie on the table. PERUVIAN MINING COMPANY. Mt. S. WORTLEY presented a petition, praying for leave to bring in a Rill to incorporate the Peruvian 51ining Company.— Qrderod to lie on the able. *ST. CATHERINE'S DOCKS. Mr. Alderman BRILfGLS presented a petition hem the Wine and Spirit Traders, in fattour of St. Catherine's DoCks.—OrdereiS to lbe on the table. Sir R. FERGUSON presented a similar petition. Ordered to lie or she table. LEYCESTER presented a similar petition.—Ordered to lie on the table. Mr. S'rUART presented a petition from the Protestants of Ard dough, in the county of Tyrone, stating that a misrepresentation bad am:eared in pnblic, which 'with:Lied to them that they were favourable to the Catholic claims. They denied that they were so, and requested the House to take such measures against further coo ressioas as the present exigency of the case appeared to the House to require. COUNTY COURTS BILL. Mr. MUNDY presented a petition front Chesterfield, in favour of the County Courts Bill. Mr. H. DRUSI3IOND moved for a return of the quantity of spirits that raid duty in Ireland and Scotland, from the sth Jan. 1624, to the sth Jan. 1225, distinguishing the quantity mantas:, lured in each county. Sir %V. GUISE presented a petition from the county of Glouces ter, against the window tax. Lord LOWTHER presented several petitions in favour of the County Courts Rill. Mr.•CALCRAFT, in the absence of Mr. Grenfei, gave notice of a motion relative to Bank balances. Mr. H. DAVIES presented a petition from the parish of St. Ste phens, in Bristol, against the Catholic claims. Mr. POWELL presented a petition from Canterbury, against the duty on sesthorne coals. Mr. AVODEHOUSE presented a petition from 11'atchet to the same effect. ASSESSED TAXES. Mr. J. 31 A BERLY presented a petition from Abingdon, against the assessed taxes. The petitioner prayed, that if the whole of them could not be remitted, the House would at !eat please to remit that portion of them which related to windows and houses. He would reserve what he had to offer generally upon this hit- portant snhject to the 3d of March, when a discussion would take piece upon it He would simply state at present, that the Chancellor of the Exchequer ought, in his opinion, to reduce this branch of taxation, even according to his own return ; for, by the returns, it appeared that there had been a surplus of six millions five hundred thousand pounds. Now the whole of these taxes, according to the showing of the Right Hon. Gentleman, did not exceed three: so that the sating could be easily spared from tellflourplus revenue. That - would be a much more bene tical mode of applying x :than to a Sinking Fund, which was a or I sive fund. Before he sat down, he begged to advert to the I dillies on • beer, the repeal of which he had before endeavoured to enforde on the attention of that llonse. lie had before ap. proached the House, and endeavoured to recommend it to equalize the duty, so that it might not press, as now, heavily on the humbler classes. In this he had foiled. He had next en dearoured to induce the House to lay the duty on ii alt, which would be a more equitable mode of taxation. In this, too, lie bud failed. His next motion would be for a repeal of the Order of Council which annexed a duty to this article. The poor man purchased it at a proportionate rate of els. in a given quantity more than the rich man. This was most unfair ; and he would therefore couchide by giving notice that on the Bth of March he would move tor a repeal of the duty on beer. Mr. HC3IE was of opinion that the thanks of the country was dee to the Hun. Member, tin the exertions he had already made upon this subject. He could assure the Chancellor of the Exche qeer that nothing would tend more to promote his popularity than a repeal of the &sewed taxes. The wishes and opinions of the people were dwelt upon on other occasions : he (Mr. flume) could wish to see the same attention paid to them on the present, and was satia ted if the Right Hon. Gentleman were to make inquiry, and were to know the mass of distress occasioned throughout the country by this tee, he would pay attention to it, and endeavour to relieve the people from it. Throughout the country warrants of distress were issued on account of the particular tax adverted to by his lion. Friend. The tax was an unequal and oppressive one, and he hoped it wo-:itd be altogether repealed. AL W. RIVLEY 'presented a petition from Newcastle, signed by tight hundred persons, praying for a repeal of the present ditty on stamp rtreipts. a. Mr. 1101.31 ES laid on the table papers containing the charges of the Ordnance department for the bind service. CATHOLIC ASSOCIATION. Mr. BROD:MA:IL—SIN . 1 hold in my hand a petition, which, whether I consider the qiuirtet from which it proceeds, or the ob jects of its prayer, or the crisis at wrhieh it is presented, merits no smithery degree of :mention trotu the House. (Hear, hear.) In presenting it to the House, it is not my intention or desire to renew the discussion which has lately passed over, and which was pro tracted to an unusual length, though not to a length beyond what its importance demanded. It is simply my wish to state to the House the object and the prayer of thee ptitioners. The petition is signed by a great number of individua Irina belong to an Association, but who approach this House in the character and capacity of in dividuals—knowing well that it is their duty to approach this Meuse in that character only, as this House does not entertain pe titions from any body of persons, except such body be invested with the chartered rights of a Corporation. The petition is signed by Peen, by the suns qr Peers, and many other persons of distin guished though aerator rank to theus--by persona of eminent talent, and of great, very great, influence. ( dear, hear.) Among, the signatures th ere are those of six Prelates of the Roman Catholic Cbiarth of Ireland, three Archbishops, and three Bishote. hey pray that a Bill, which they understand to be in pro gress through this House, which would deprive them of the constitutional right of meeting, of petitioning, and of complain ing might nut be suffered to pass into a low. They solemnly de class. sod they offer to support it by the most satisfactory testimony, that there has not been a single proceeding of theirs, either by act or by 4eelaration, from the formation of the Association to the present ter, which has been calculated to excite alarm or provoke animosities. (Hear, hear.) They respectfully hope, that if the Bill which has been introduced should pass into a law—before it should pass into a law, they, at least, might not be deprived of that va luable, sacred, and impreecriptible right of the subject, to be heard against a law which charges him with misconduct, and which re stricts his constitutional liberty, without giving hun an opportunity of vindication. Surely they who have been so anxious in passing this Bill, cannot, in fairness, object to a full inquiry—to a short, eigbreas scrutiny, as to the propriety of the measure. Those who are so ready totring charges should rather court that inquiry than seek to avoid it. Their refusal to do so would he the same thing as laying to the Catholics " We will not hear you—we have made up our minas, so that whatever you say to vindicate yourselves can have no avail—can be of no use whatever." This would be an act of inljustire under any circumstances ; but en an occasion whets the liberties of the subject were about to he restricted, and even the privilege of complaint about to be abridged, I have too high a eurfader.ce in the fairness of the House to think that it would lend Itself to the retusal of so reasonabl e a request . Th e H on . a nd Learned Gentleman cuacluded hey presenting the petition, the last ~~.. .. \ anxious tf) take this opportunity of explaining the pl:ratc. "by the hatred you bear to Orangemen." He was enabled to states Oa the authority of • member of that Association, that the construc tion was quite different from that which had been assigned to it by the Hon. Members opposite. It had been attempted to con found Orangemen and Privestants, and it hsd been asserted. that what had had been applied to one was meant to extend to another. This he was prepared to deny, on the most satisfactory authority. The Orangemen had cot up plots of disturbance. to entrap the inno cent Catholic, end the expression was applied to the haired which 41 was their duty to entertain for all plots and attempt to Infringe upon the laws, or disturb the peace of the country. (Hear.) He begged leave to advert to a letter he bad received front a gentle man of high respectability in Ireland, Cluttrative of the subject' and which went to offer some remarks upon the statements made in the speech with which the Right Hon. Secretary for Ireland had thought proper to introduce the measure relative to the Catholic Association. The Hon. Member then proceeded to read an ex tract front the letter which he held in his-hand, but was called to order by The SPEAKER, who informed him that it was not competent to him to read any expression of opinion the letter might contain, upon speeches of lion. Members spoken in that House. dtr. HUME then proceeded.—He would put it in another way, and from his own authority he would inform the Wove, that he believed, from the information which had been conveyed to hini,that all the material statements of the speech of the lion. Secretary fur Ireland could be proved to be utterly groundle4. upon oath and at the bar of thellicuse, were permission anCriled to the Roman Ca tholics to come before the House fat the purpose, in acenttlance with the prayer of their petition. He could not aria eulogising the conduct of the Catholic Association in the present juncture; and it was his hope. that the House would pay that attention to their requeet, which their conduct, no leas than the nature of that request, entitled it to, and permit them to be heard by witnesses and Counsel, against the imputations sought to be cast on them by the framers of the measure fur the Suppression of Unlawful Asso ciations in Ireland. Mr. BROLIJII.aIII rose to present a petition from nine hundred persons. inhabitants of the town of Newry. in Ireland. in favour of the Catholic Association. The prayer of the petitioners was, that the House would pause, before they consented to any mea sures levelled against the Catholic Association, of which many of the petitioners were members, and which they further stated to possess the confidence of the Roman. Catholics of Ireland. They then proceeded, in respectful terms, to say,—and here the lion. and Learned Member could not avoid expressing his appitthation lief the very becoming language of the petition,—they proceeded to that they, in common with the Catholics of Ireland gewerally, had waited for years and in silence for the relief which they had in. (Weed a hope would have been afforded them ; but that now see ing no end to the period of their exclusion front the benefits of the Constitution, and looking upon their prospects as hopeless without exertion on their parts. they had been compelled it associate to gether for mntual defence, and for the putpoae of pressing noon the consideration of Parliament their claims to relief. The Hon. Member trusted the House would listen to the prayer of this peti tion, and not substitute a species of gagging for the relief sought, or go on to enact laws not only encroaching on the precincts of the Constitution, but subversive of the peace of the realm. The peti tion then proceeded in its prayer, to entreat' that those rights might be reittured to the Catholics, of which their ancestors had been de prived, not merely in defiance of the general principles of justice, bet in direct violation of a solemn compact entered into with the parties interested. Br acceding to this request, the petitioners conceived that the Catholic Association would be rendered unnecessary, and that that peace and tranquillity would be made permanent, which the efforts of the Association had produced. The Honourable anti Learned Member wished it to co the House as his opinion, that there never had been a petition, which, looking to vs spirit, and the terms in which it was expres•cd, was more un exceptionable, moderate, and reasonable, than the present. With regard to the former petition which he bad just before presented to the Howie, he should to-morrow move upon it. that the prayer of the petition be taken into consideration. Ile hoped that, as this was a matter of great importance, the votes of the House would _contain the petition, that it might be considered at as early an hour as was possible, and he trusted. as, the second rending of the Honourable Secretary's (Mr. Goulburn'o) Bill took place on 3lon day, whatever Orders of the Day existed for rn-morrow,. Gentle men would consent to their postponerne-t, in order that suchiniglit be the can. _ } A desultory conversation with Ministers ensued hat ♦ e could not collect that ■ny thing conclusive with respect to the Learned I.letitlentan's proposition was determined on. OA ME LANVS. . _ Mr. S. WORTLEY rose ;;call the attention of the House to the subject of hit proposed alteration in the Game Laws, but owing to the noise o,:casioncd by Members leaving the House. we were unable to brae distinctly the Honourable Member's observations. We understood him to say, that the provisions of the 11111 lie wished to present to the House were similar to those contained in that which had been negatived last year ; that they embraced no alteration in the existing laws with respect to the ownership of the Game, and went to legalize the sale of it. He concluded by moving for leave to bring in a Rill to amend the laws made for the preser vation of game. Sir JOHN SHELLEY hoped the Honourable Meniher for Yotkthlre irttuld permit a clear fortnight to elapsebetween the first and third reading of the Bill, in order to give country gentlemen, most interested in the measure, time to attend the House. On that understanding, he should reserve his opposition to the measure till then. _ _ A MEMBER, who spoke from under the Gallery. expressed his determination to oppose the measure in fimine. It had already been discussed and rejected by a mniority of that House in the most unequivocal manner. Under such circumstances, he wished to have no farther attempt at interference with the existing laws, and he should endeavour to stifle the measure in its birth. It was his wish to prevent the introduction of the measure, if possible ; hut, if it were introduced, he should oppose its passing into a law. Mr. R. 170LBORNE was of opinion the proposed Bill, judging from the lion. Member's exposition of its nature, would rather tend to aggravate than alleviate the evils complained of. Ile thought the legalization of the sale of game, as contemplated, would be creating a market which would contribute to render poaching easy of accomplishment, difficult of detection, and secure of reward. Mr. CURIVEN was in favour of the proposed alteration. Mr. PEEL thought the best law on the subject would be that which would effectually prevent poaching. lie was most desirous of making an experiment, to see what might be done by legalizing the sale of game, than by disturbing the proprietorship in game. The suhiect will one full of difficulties, on whatever side approach ed, and he was doubtful whether a change so extensive as that con. templated by the lion. Member for Yorkshire would be unattended by serious dangers. He was desirous that a measure might be in. traduced. enabling the present proprietors to dispose of their game. He thought it might be worth while to try such a measure for two or three years ; if it did nut succeed, an alteration might be resorted to. However, he would support the lion. Member's motion, on the IMMO grounds as he supported it last Session. Mr. DENISON thought the Member tbr Yorkshire should avoid anything like precipitancy in a case such as the present. Ile wished to know whether lie intended to introduce any clause against the use of man-traps and spring-guns, those horrible engines for the preservation of game, which were a dinyence to those who used them, and the country that tolerated their existence. Dl r. [MUKHA Rl' abhorred the use of those engines mentioned by the Hon. Member for Surrey (Mr. Denison). He thought the use of them decidedly illegal. A foreigner visiting our shores, and learning the existence of such an usage, would be astonished at the barbarism of the country capable of permitting such a violation of every principle of humanity. He held that those engines were per. fectly unnecessary to the preservation of game, but if they were not so, lie would not the less condemn and deprecate their use.— Mr. HOLM E SUMNER would oppose tloe Bill. 31r. BRIO thought the practice alluded to by lionourable Members odious, and deserving universal execration. If the Member for Yorkshire would introduce • clause to alter the bar barous practice, he would give it his best support. Mr. PEEL disclaimed any approbation of the use of man-traps or spring-guns for the preservation of game. Ile wished the sale of game to be legalized, that the present high bounties which went to the encouragement of poaching might he removed. lie adopted this ground on the same principle as lie approved of reducing the excise duties as far as was practicable, for the purpose of lessening the crime of smuggling. lie thought a law to legalize the sale of game, and enable the legitimate proprietors to bring it lam the market in sufficient quantities, would have the effect of lessening 1 poaching and the undue sale of game. Ile begged lion. Mem. hers to recollect, that when lie addressed the House spring-guns had nut been mentioned. lie could never give his approbation to the ure of them. Sir J. SHELL LI made a few observations, which did not reach thegallery. Sir It. HERRING was of opinion that no man had a right to;set a mortal engine, which might bare the effect of depriving a fellow creature of life, merely on the pretence of preserving his game. A person so acting would, in the event of a fatal occurrence, in his opinion, be guilty of murder. He agreed with the Right lion. Secretary of State for the Home Department in his wish fur an Act of Parliament legalizing the sale of game. Mr. J. CWIPPS wished the Member fur Yorkshire to consider' whether he could not accede to the proposition of the lion. the Secretary of State fur the Home Department. Mr. L. PALMER. attributed the great increase of poaching during the last twenty.five years to the inadequate rate of wages' paid to the working classes in the country. While the reward of their labour was so nicely apportioned to the mere support of the animal functions, poaching would prevail, and contiiitie till the si tuation of the working classes was rendered more satisfactory. Mr. S. WORTLEY was free to confer he had made use of spring guns, and experienced their beneficial effects in preventing the occurrence of many fatal scenes, by deterring the poacher from his unlawful occepation, and consequently preventing dangerous reneontres, which would in all probability have otherwise occurred. If the measure were narrowed within the limits proposed by the Hon. Secretary, he for one would wash his hands of it. Ile would take no further interest in a measure which would have only for its object legalizing the sale of game. Gentlemen who opposed the iptroductiun of his Rill had said that its adoption would put an end Nthe pleasures of sporting,. and that if every freehold proprietor were allowed to kill game, it would become his interest to destroy the fetes which afforded those gentlemen an opportunity to enjoy field spore. He thought this a perfectly chimerical apprehension. lox-hunting stood upon LW. of its own, and wherever a landed I w . ~. present us.. ~t disgraceful tinue his exertions. Ile wished the question to undergo s full and fair dismission. It was the opinion of' many individtails that the matter was one of no consequence or importance. He thought it one of great moment. and that the tini‘ had arrived to conic to a de termination. It was the opinion of eves-Y*lle that simitt:iing must be done. The principles of the measure he proposed wore these —lst, that every mun shrubd possess the right of killing game on his own lond-2d. he wished to protect game proprietors, tot colt against the nightly poacher, but the trespasser by day. The present law of trespau was wholly ineffectue-11, he proposed a legalize the sale of game. The lion. Member was of opinion ti.e ottyner this subject was disetssed the better. He requested that the question Wight not be considered worthy of being laughed at, but one which should receive a proper - degree of serious and patient attention at their hands. Sir I . II,OMAS BARING approved of the pnociplerf the Right Honourable Secretary fur the flame Department. Legalizing the sale of.game was, lie thought, the most effectual method to put an end to the practice of poaching ; and to of that most desirable object, he would consent to the destruction of game frtmi one end of the kingdom to the other. Leave was then given to briny( in the Bill. , TURN PI KK LAWS. Lord LOWTRER, in pursuance of previous notice. rose to move for the sppoininnnt of a Committee to inquire into the matt of the different turnpike trusts in the county of Middlesex, which were immediately connected with the Metropolis. His object was to procure a consolidation of the laws relating to these turnpike trusts, which pressed so severely upon the poor and industrious, and to ascertain whether some mode might t:ot be devised winch would relieve them from a great portion of the contributions yearly levied upon them at these vexatious gates. Hun. Gentlemen might not, perhaps, be aware that on one road, extending only about ten miler from London, there was raised from the public, if he included the bridges, a sum of 11.10,8081. Sono revision of the laws which regulated the disposal of such an amount was, he thought, become necessary. But as the motion was likely to be resisted, he would state a few other facts for the w.tvnnation of the House, which would, he thought, fully satisfy them that the proposed inquiry would he productive of benefit to the public. (Hear.) He had at various times given the bultiect a good deal of consideration, and been enabled to coilect eerie curious information respecting the management of the trusts in the immediate vicinity of the metro. polis. i'or instance, on one road, of a distance of about three miles and a half north of London, of which that called the City-road formed • part, there were no less than three Acts of Parliament, three sets of trustees, mai three establishments, each containing a full complement of treasurers, secretaries, clerks, surveyors, sub surveyors. inspectors, and all the variety of other names under which these trusts contrive to secure to themselves the monies which Acts of Parliament, as they at present stand, throw into their hands. Indeed he thought he would not go beyond the truth, if he asserted that 'vise-half of all the /Urns collected in this manner passed into the pockets of these officers, in the shape of salaries and petqouittes. Another inconvenience, lie would here observe- attending these trusts, was, that every four or live years they were obliged to procure new Acts of Parliament to niter and amend the old ones. lie had been told, upon good authority, that in one district the sum of 60001. • year had been raised upon gates situated in lanes ; and that, notwithstanding the collection of so large • sum, these lanes were, in almost every instance, nearly im. passable. (Hear, hear.) But it he was so fortunate as to obtain the appoinment of a Committee, he trusted that these, and many other imperfections, would be brought to light. Fur it was not alone the disposal of these enormous annual sums that he objected to—he objected to the practice of borrowing, which prevailed to an alarming extent ! Indeed, in one trust he had heard of, the trustees had lately raised no less a stun than fortneen thousand pounds, by way of annuity, for 21 years certain, and that too at an interest of 10 per cent. ; a bargain of no tufting advantsre, lie could tell the House, in such transits these. (A laugh, and cries of hear, hear.) Magistates too art frequently as treasurers, without salaries they tell us, and from pure disinterested regard to the interests of the public. They may nor.eceive salaries, but they always contrive to retain little trifling balances in their hands, of from seven to eight thousand pounds, which they know very well 'how to employ ; in deed, if it were not an object, why, he would ask, do they cling with such pertinacity to their seats? (Hear, heir.) There was another trust lie would mention while upon this subject—the Highgate and Hampstead ; there they had an income of no less than 17,000 pounds a year ; and yet in the year 1820, they had oared a debt of 7,500 pounds ; and in the year 1(122 it amounted to no less than twenty.one thousand pounds. lie had the curiosity ' to look a little into the manner in which such sums were expended, and he would mention one, as a sample to the House, "I'o 3.700!. for incidents." t hear, hear.) Surely, Hon. Gentlemen could not re. Pose their mascot to look a little into these matters, when such ex. traordinary items were introduced, and passed without comment. He perhaps should not tray wholly without comment ; but if any person in the vicinity showed, disposition to Inquire into the ex.l penditure of the tolls, they had a method of quieting him, by get. ting him appointed a zteeial Juror. indeed, when the Hon. Mem- leer for Aberdeen Moved for a Return of those whose:red as Special Jurors, it was found that great numbers of those interested in this trust were named as those who served on Special Juries. The City of London, too, comes in for its share of the imposition; for, by ' express agreement, one half of all the extra toll taken pa Sundays goes into the office of its Chamberlain. The Bill which sappeats these practices expires next autumn, and lie hoped the House would, from what he had stated, inquire into the disposal of such revenues, before it consented again to place them in irresponsible hands. Indeed, if they did not take some measure to put a stop to the growing evil of turnpikes, they wotild hastily be able to move a yard from their doors without being dbliged to pass through one of these vexatious and unnecessary 'impediments. On a road, of which Bishops to forms a pan, he perceived there was a clause to put up a gate alinott in the cenne of the City of London. On the Us hedge 'road, the Edgware, the Harrow, the most flimsy pretexts were laid hold of to put tip a gate. On the Harrow road, where a large sum, 2 or 3,000!. a year, he believed, had been left by a patriotic brewer for the repairs of the road, the trustees had contrived to in. car a large debt, and the rind was a ruin. The treasurers of all these roads held large balances in hand, with which they discounted bills, and then managed to pay in their receipts two or three days before the meeting of the trustees. He called upon the House to inquire into the truth of these statements ; he called Wpon Parlia ment to interfere, and not suffer the metropolis to be surrounded with these useless and vexatious impedimenta. There was one road he would instance—Kenaingron—e3 an illustration of the be. netit of Parliamentary interference. A Bill last year had been thrown out; the trustees knew very well right from wrong; they knew that public attention was fixed upon their proceedings; they found themselves deprived of the protection of Psrliameht ; and what was the consequence ? They have taken the money out of ! the hones of their treasurer, they have paid off their debt, and they have reduced their toll. It so much hail been done here, ' with the rod held over their heads, how much more might we not anticipate from the interference of Parliament? On the whole road heading from llyde Park-corner, and extending about twenty-two miles, lie perceived by a Return which he held in his hand, that the tolls produced 80,815/. a-year, and that it was divided into thirteen trusts, and had seventy-six gates. lie spoke it from the best authority that 40,000!. would be more than sufficient for every expense. ( Hear.) It was his intention to pro pose that at all events the gates within two or three miles of London shoull be removed. Ile was sure the south side of the Thames would be hostile to this proposal, but he hoped they would at all events try how it worked on this side of the water. lie had now only to say, that he proposed dividing the trusts into districts, un der the superintendence of fifteen gentlemen of the county, not bring treasurers, and ten Parliamentary Commisaibncrs responsi ble for the expenditure of their revenue. Sir EDWARD KNATCIinuEI. thought the Noble Lad hail made out,a good case for the interference of the (louse. A large sun', it appeared, was annually collected on the nada from Hyde l'ark-corner, and as it did not appear satisfactorily how it was ex. pearled, he thought himselfbound to give die Noble Lord his sup port. But although he generally aummated Government, if it was the Noble Lord's intention to throw the turnpikes into the hands of Government, he could nut give his consent. There was a Mr. M'Adam employed in Government works, and if it was the Waco lion to make him principal auperintendent of turnpike roads, the Noble Lord's proposal would become a job. If it ends so he would moose it, but present lie saw good grounds fur seconding the motion. Mr. HOLME SUMNER said, the Noble Lord hal asserted, without good reason, that this measure would be opposed by the county of Surrey. Ile should be unworthy of holding a place in that House, if he refused his assent to the proposition of the Noble Lord, unless be was preps ea to controvert his statements. Mr. HU3II; thought it would benefit the public if every turn pike wax removed three miles front the bridges. The Noble Lord's motion was limited to the north of London. He did not see any reason why the inquiry should not, extend to the south. There were turnpikes in the very centre of London. lie would remove then, altogether. Two hundred thousand pounds, he understood, were levied within four miles of town, while sixty or seventy thousand would be sufficient, if tolls were dore away with, and an assessment laid upon the inhabitants. lie concluded by moving, as an amendment, that the Committee take into their consideration the state of the turnpike roads within ten miles of London. Mr. MA ISCHIA' seconded the amendment. Ile thought the public were indebted to these who had brought this question under consideration. From the mule of his inqui ries, Kent, Surrey, and Sussex would all be benefited by a change in the constitution of turnpike trusts. In a meeting at Croydon, where Sir Thomas Turton and several other great men were present, it was proposed and debated for some time, whether it would be expedient to try a mile of road upon the plan of AIL M•aidimi ? Ile happened to be present, and took some part in the discussion ; and the consequence was, that, alter four hours con tention, they agreed to 31•Adamise the whole line of rto miles of load. lie mentioned this to show the ignorance and prejudice of those trustees, for the House would probably hardly credit it, that this doubt of the propriety of Mr. M•Adam's plan existed, after it had been extended over every part of the kingdom. Ile wished the Noble Lord's Committee to take a wider field of inquiry, and would therefore give the amendment his humble support. Sir T. HARING said, the Noble Lord appeared to have matte himself master of the subject, and he thought he had acted wisely in limiting the inquiry because a case so strong could be made out at once as would entitle them to proceed with confidence to the others. One million and a half of money, for so much he under stood the turnpikes produced, was an alarming sum to be disposed of annually by irresponsible agents, and certainly called for imme diate inquiry. He knew a rood of ten miles, on which there were .. x't's • 1,04.10 t 11.," t,. receiving a lark, stun dratitlij, and let not one 'gentlemen interfered in its chaposial, the whole divided among a few individuals for their own ard not more than tile or six hundred expended upon the road. He_ fully anticipated good effects flom the Irtqun and trusted that the gates would be removed to such a distanze :hat a person would not be compelled to pay a heavy tax the moment they ventured to put their heads out of London. Mr. PELHAM, we understood, addressed the House, but he was inatttlib:e in the gallery. Mr. T. WILSON was of opinion, that the more extended the 'lnquiry the less would be the benefit. All turnpikes should not he condemned, for he knew one in Essex where a horse and cart might go thirty miles upon a tine road for three halfpence; nor should they be considered as wasteful and dishonest. because a larger shut might be expended in one place than in another. The material in one place east more than in another; labour is often higher; be ' sides a nutnber of trusts counteract each other, and lead to a mul tiplication of gates, and of course an inc.-ease of charge. Alr. 1101,31 E sill NER explained. Mr. ISFNETT, of Wiltshim. made some observations which a noise in the gallery prevented us from hearing. The SPEAKER was about to put the question, when Mr. Alderman II EVGATE rose, to contend that the inquiry should not go beyond the immetiiate vicinity of the metropolis. He obtectcd also to the appointment of Parliamentary Conmussioners. They lend, ih the case of the Holyitead Road, made one part of it about the very worst in England. Sir H. PARNELL defended the Parliamentary Commissioners, and asserted that the failure of the work was owing to the superin tendence being taken away from the tionomissirners and pl iced in the hands of individuals. 1 .7 I ; Alderman 14 , i ; A , explained. The SPEAKER then put the Amendment, that a Committee be appointed to inquire into the receipts, :management. anti ea penditure of the different Turnpike Trusts x :thin te:s miles of the etropol is. It was carried, and the Committee appointed accordingly. STATE OF IRELAND. Mr. GOULBURN rose to move that a Select Committee be sp. pointed to inquire into the state of Ireland, and more particularly into the causes relating to the late disturbances in that part of the United Kingdom, and to report their olosereations to the House. It would be in the recollection of the House, that when the Coin. mittee was appointed last Session to inquire into the state of Ire land. their powers of inquiry were restricted topartieular districts ;It having, however, in the course of those inquiries been foiled desir able to extend them to other parts of that kingdom, he now pro. posed that a Committee should be appointed whose powers should extend to the whole of Ireland. With respect to the constitution of the Committee, he should propose some alterations. as well in the members composing it, as in the objects of their duties. So long as those objects were confined to particular districts, it eras not thought necessary to appoint Gentlemen on the Committee who were unconnected with those parts; but now that the inquiry was to relate to all the provinces of the kingdom, he was sure the !fosse would see the propriety of adding Gentlemen to the Committee from each province. Lord A LTIIORP rose to second the motion. Ile observed that when the Committee of last year was moved for, he expressed his opinion that its inquiries should extend over the whole of Ireland, and he could have wished that that power had been given to them ; but lie was however glad to rind that such a measure was at length to be adopted, and he most cordially gave it his support, as he was assured it would be conducive of touch good to that part of the United Kingdom. ....... ....—_. _ . Mr. (301.71,8 URN said, that although he was certair.ly opposed to the proposition last year fur extending the inquiries of the Com mittee over the whole of Ireland, yet the Noble Lord would recol lect that he still admitted. that if, in the course of the inquiries of that Committee, it should appear necessary to carry the inquiry further, he should then agreeto that extension ; he could not there fore allow his Noble Friend the entire credit of the extension cow proposed to be given. 3lr. S. RICE hoped that out of doors the increase of the Members of the Committee now about to be appointed would be understood as being the necessary consequence of the labours of the Committee being extended, and not their powers enlarged. lie was anxious that this should be properly understood ; otheririse, a delusion might go abroad which would be prejudicial to the exer tions of the Committee, and throw obstacles in the way of a troll and impartial inquiry. Ile was quite satisfied of the proprier7 of add ing to the numbers of the Committee, now that the inquiry was to go further. For his part, he could have most readily agreed to a Committee composed of English Members entirely, and that it it were thought necessary to hare the assistance of any Irish Member, he should have been better pleased with their being examined its witnesses. But Es is was considered proper to have Irish .lent berg, he thought that in order that the Committee night do the greatest possible good, there ought to be some appointed from all the provinces in Ireland. _ _ The motion was then agreed to, and a Committee Was appointed accordingly. THE USURY LAWS. Mr. Sergeant ONSLOW moved the order of the dray for the second reading of the Usury Laws Repeal Bill. 3lr. CA I.A2RA FT said, that although he entertained very strong • objections to the measure contemplated by the present Bill, yet he should not now have troubled the House, it rather strong language had not been held towards him and those Honourable Itiends who agreed with hint, as if they were all too ignorant to beets:in opinion upon the subject, and knew less [trout what concerned their own immediate interests than any other Honourable Members in that House. Ile thought it a very rational argument to urge spinet this Bill, that matters had gone on for so many years in this country with such undeviating prosperity, that dipttel was continutdly ac cumulating, and every branch of manufacture and commerce ex tending itself. He thought these facts of themselves afforded a very strong prima ,/'ark case against changing the existing taw. But he was told that upon general political principles it was ab solutely necessary. Now, if the House were to argue upon these principles, he had no doubt that the theory was Hi:mom-able and Learned Friend, and that generally speaking, it vas Itite right to leave men perfectly free to do whatever they pleased with what belonged to them. But he apprehended that there was no political theory so correct as that this rule 'could be bid down, namely, that it was impossible fur any cases to occur that should form an exception front the general principle. Did not Honour. able Members know that in many cases restrictions were laid on the general rights of men, where those restrictions tended to the general good ? Did they not know that in this metropolis there were laws regulating the manner in which a man shall btiltl his own house, and that when a person was desirous tif raising a house against that of another man's, lie was obliged to build what was called the party wall, of a peculiar thickness, and with peculiar materials ? Now he (Mr. Calm()) would contend that tbis was an exception to the general rule, and that it was an interference with a mans private property. But what did Honourable !lim bos say to the laws against gaming ? There the law had laid some very salutary restrictions, both upon . the men keeping the house and those who resorted to it to play. Why, but a few days since he had read the scmence of the Court of 'King's Bench against a person who was convicted of keeping a house of this description, where he was actually tined 5,000/. Now, if this man was of the same opinion with his Honourable and Learned Friend (Mr. Sergeant Onslow) he might have said to the Lord Chief.,Justmet— " This is an unjust violation of a general political princiele, which admits every man to do as he pleases with his 'own, and you have no right to impose any tine upon me." lie (Mr. Calash) thought these were two pregnant instances where the Legislature had thought proper to interfere with the private property of individuals. But his Honourable and Learned Friend had told them that they did not know their own interests, and at the same time he declared it to be an unfair bonus to the landed property. He and his friends were told that the landed men (rot it was taken forgranted that they were always the persons who borrowed) did not know their own interests. He could not exactly comprehend this; but he would contend that the present law did - not give any bonus to the landed proprietors. But what was relied principally upon was the great inconvenience arising out of laws awn icing the general right. Ile contended that these laws were the exception, and not the general rule. If lion. Members would have the whole history downwards of these laws, they would find that the country flourished the more as the rate of interest was reauceti by Statute; and it ..bas under these lArs, as they now existed, that the country had risen to its present state of prosperity. If the right of persons over their own property were not to be interfered with, what was to become of a certain person's measure in another place, who was about to inter fere so extensively with these individual rights ? What would be come of the Bubble Act? But was there nothing in experience, nothing in wealth, nothing in prosperity, nothing in greatness ? Let any man show him, that by removing these laws we could be going on in a more prosperous comae than under the existing laws. Ile would say that all the able writers on this great question had proved the law against usury to be wholesome and good, and that the alteration of it would In hurtful to those who had occasion to borrow money at interest. Mr. H U3I E argued in support of the Rill. The Hon. Member who had just sat down urgal, as one reason why the Bill should not pass, that we were now going on prosperously. IVhy, asked his lion. Friend, should the present law be repealed when we have been thriving so many years under it ? Ile (Mr. flume) would ask, had we not also been thriving under all other kinds of restrict tions ? and yet his Majesty's Ministers, and even his Majesty, in a Speech front the Throne, had recommended that those restrictions should be dune away with. The lion. Uentleman then contended, that the cases which had been mentioned by his lion. Friend were totally dissimilar from the one now under discussion—that, with regard to the Building Act, the restrictions were to prevent one per son from doing injury to another ; but, in the case of borrow. ing and lending money, the parties, if no Usury Laws existed, would come to a mutual agreement, and consequently no in. jury could occur that required the intervention of the le:gislature. As to the law against gaming, he considered it quite a distinct question ; it always appeared to him that every government found tt incumbent to attend to the morals of the country. It was nut a question of pounds, shillings, and pence,. but entirely one of morals. All that he wished was, that a man m ight be at liberty to get rid of his money in such a manner as lie thought best. With regard to the measure plluded to, as about to be brought forward by the wisest man io the kingdom, he (Mr. flume) thought that it was as foolish as any measure c-mld be; and he should be very much astonished, indeed, if, in the event of its coming before that House, it did not experience the fate it really deserved, and should be dismissed, never to be heard of again. 'Yet he was quite ready to admit that in these schemes that came before the public there was much of trick practised upon individuals, and the conduct of those persons of rank and respectnbility who lent their names to these trans- actions, anti afterwards lat them, he shou Id say was most insufferable. But he thought that the proposition alluded to as being intended to be brought forward in another place,where persons would be required to pay thrne.feurths of the amount of their subscription towards a .. .. THE 1311,ITISil PIfESS, • ' 'A CE. clause of wtiich was read—praying that the Catholic Association proprietor, who keeps a pack of los-Mends, takes the ft-et:bit to be one hundred gates. receii might be heard by Counsel at the Bar of the House, and that, if on good terms with his neighbours, he will not nod the foxes de- of the neighbouring gent i. 17. necessary. witnes ses should be enstnined to sustain their state. sit u f u r th e purpose of preserving a few pheasants. lie would not of the receipts bein i ; div ments.-0-tiered to be laid on the Table, and printed. pledge himself to tientlenten to discontinue his pursuit of this objet benefit, sad not more du in caw of non-success in the present instance. As long as hews the rood. _He fully anticip .ccounts.of the Mr. HUME thought the petitions was oast entitled t o the s an.ar,ts, au. markei and most favourable attention of the House. lie was 'Cisme Laws in their present disgraceful state, he would not chicon. trusted that the gates wo _ ..._ I .i...... 1... -.........-_ lA,. —, I—.l A... .....n1; sn en Sllnlanfln a 1.111 ~..1 n•rariet ratil l tl r • nit It. ent t N.,. - 0 ' N. ‘<, - 1 .s - scheme, front which, after ten years, they would nut get a single farthing, would be as mischievous as any of the bubbles that such a measure was intended to suppress. In all far speculations he would say, that neither the Lord Chancellor, nor any other nun in this country, had any right whatever to interfere. interest was high, then we were told that it was not the time to introduce this Bill ; now that it was low we are met by the same opposition. Ile (Mr. Hume) was firmly of opinion, that if this Bill should pus, the rate of interest would never again, so long as he lived, be so high as 5 per cent. lie therefore hoped the measure would succeed. Suppose he were to propose what was called a Double Act, and say that hie Hon. Friend should not let his land above lss. an (hear, ne a r ;) that land in Yorkshire should be of co more value titan in Donietshire, would it not be equally as just. as that it should be said a man who had money should not lend it at st higher profit than 5 per cent ? lie wan sure his lion. Friend let his terms as highly as he could, and why then should ru: monied men make as ninth of their money as they could ? He was q uite satisfied, that if his Hon. Ft tent! could but get rid of the knowledge of his having formerly opposed the measure, be would most cordially join in not only doing away with this law, but of all ether restrictions on the use of property of every description. Mr. CRIPPS said, that the argument in favour of the Bill was, that it had driven young men to raise money upon annuities. He granted that there was some truth iu it; but there was always great deal of disgrace attached to these transactions. (Hear, hear.) But how wore these annuities obtained? Only bemuse the per sons who grunted them had no other security to give; if tbey had, they might obtain money at five per rent. as well as other persons. He would venture to say, that if this Bill was passed. where one individual was mined now, ten would be ruined then. He had not the slightest doubt, that every person would have to pay a nigher rate of interest than at present ; and that that interest wuul i be obtained with a thousand times greater facility than now. lie hould oppose the Bill, because it might possibly do much mis chief; and nut only so, but because it could not do any good. In his honest opinion, this Bill, if passel, would. in time of war, be extremely pernicious. In his honest opinion, this measure touched most datigerou things, and was calculated to produce evils to the country whirls could not at present be seen. He should therefore give his feeble support to the Honourable Member for Wareham (,11r. Calcraft). in his opposition to this Bill. 31r. JOH N 8311TH thought that the repeal of those laws would be extremely advantageous, and their continuation highly in jurious. Ile emaidered it to be laid down as a general principle, that money would somehow or other always find its value ; and that means would be always found to gain it. He had known frequent instances of men who had been forced to raise money at a very con. siderable loss. in cases of bills of exchanite. men had often been exposed to the most ruinottsconsequences, and lie had frequently lent aunts of money without interest, to save persons from the effect of thjs deplorable system. He knew that the Bill might perhaps fail in this (louse; but he felt sullied that, like the Catholtc ques tion anti many others, the House would at length see the neces sity of it. Tike SQLICITOILGENERAL said, he would first observe. that It 'has his intention to 11101: the reading of the Bill this day six months. If the evidence that had been ti.lien by the Com_ mittee had been emeet, / the repeal of the existing laws would be highly injurious. He agreed in the principle of the lionoundde 31eariter who had just sat clown, and whose temperate and collected manner of arguing was at all times so evident, that the question to be considered was Whether or not these laws would be bene tidal to the community at large ?" Ile (the Solicitor-General) allowed that there were sonic instances in which those restrictions, which the rising laws created, might he beneficially removed, par ticularly when the borrowers were mercantile borrowers; but he felt assured that other classes of the community would be injured by sufh a system to an enormous extent, and the mercantile duties formed only a portion of the community. Was any landed pro prietor n blind to his interest, and with understanding so crippled, as to fancy that if those restrictions were taken off, he could get money cheaper than he now can ? To him any alteration must prove injunour—to him there would be one great evil ; it %residua when the lender wanted to call in his money for the purpose of lending it to another on more advantageous terms. although the tnetchant who had his capital vested, principally perhaps in BEL of Exchange, might not feel the injury attending this sudden call, which he might be able to answer, the landed pro yfietor, whose situation and whose circumstances were very different, must r.ccessarily feel it deeply. It was clear to him that the landed proprietor must borrow on far less advantageous terms than the merchant. lie would look at the question in another point of tiew. We were told that eight out of ten estates in this country were en cumbered with debts. The country gentleman, therefore. must borrow, not to speculate, like the merchant, on great returns, nut to make • corresponding interest, but to pay those debts, or tb Inched with his affairs. There were a third class who were to be considered in the discussion of this question—men who had no security to give ; and those persons formed a pretty large portion Of tile country, and were certainly frequently under the neces sity torroiving. it was idle to suppose that they could get money, eitept tin 'exorbitant terms, unless there were sore testridtions. The repeal of the usury laws might be useful to eh: rich berrower, although this was what he was tot reads' to admit, but to the small borrower, whose necessities obliged him to borrow, the case would be very different. He would beirome liable to • greater inherit, and more at the mercy of that eliding and rdinottasystern. 'Could any ore conceive that he who could no: trite even the set:tufty of a day, would not be used far motel:V.oly than him whose security was unexceptionable ? Such Oise's, had no choice between borrowing and not burr swing, as the merchant I.ad. He would now advert to another and a material principle for consideration. As the laws now stood, no man could obtain a higher interest than S per cent, and if he did so he would become liable to very high penalties. The repeal of those laws. 'however, would have the effvdt of exempting lenders from the bankrupt laws, because, if a man had money, he would take care to employ it on every establishment there he could gain a large interest, and not be answerable for the debts of that esta blishment. lie would not become a partner, but he would lend • sum of 50,0091., for example, to a flourishing brewery, for which he would be satisfied to reteive only half the profit, say 1U or 11 per cent., while, at the same time, he would receive the brew ery as his security, and not be answerable for any of its debts. He knew no reasons why restrictions should not be placed upon money as well as upon corn, and restrictions had been placed upon the latter. lie tilt assured that the repeal of the Usury Laws would be productive of much public inconvenience and injury. It was not in the levity of the moment that lie offered this opinion, but after mature consideration lie bad formed his Opinion on the subject. He moved, therefore, that this unpropitious Bill be read a second time this day six months. Mr. Sergeant ONSLONV said, that of all the arguments that had been brought forward on this subject, that respecting the Corn Laws was the most singular. Ile, for his part. had al• ways understood that those restrictions were for the purpose ce. affording protection to the corn grower. His Learned and Hon.. Friend (the Solicitor-(ieneral) had alluded to a case in which a lender might advance a sum to a brewer, perhaps, and re ceive a aunt of 13 or 14 per cent. imerest or profit, without be coming a partner. and therefore not answerable for the debts of the establishment. Did his Learned Friend know the purport of tl.e Bill before the House ? It was to tic the rent of money-- tire tent he would call it--and thus prevent the very evils the Hon. Gentleman anticipated. His lion. and Learned Friend had alluded to three cloves of the community—the merchants l the landed proprietors, and those who have no security. Ot the latter he (Syr. Sergeant Onslow) would observe, that the repeal of the Usury Laws would enable them to deal on fair terms. The argument of the Hon. and Learned Gentleman had been very strange with respect to the other two. The landed pro prietor, he had observed, must borrow under greater disad vantages than the merchant. If this were the case, how was it that the heeded proprietor always found it more easy to ob. gain money then the merchant? He (.fr. Sergeant Onslow) would leave any man to re9ect how different things must be when lie who wants money must yield to the most exorbitant demands of him who has the impudence to make them—and when a person wanting money can go with his security to a market where there would be fair compensation. He hoped the Hon. alembers would see the matter as it really was, and pre. vent the innumerable evils that were daily occurring, and mule, were it otherwise, daily occur. Mr. ROBERTSON supported;the amendment. He contended, that the effect of the Bill would be, to COMlllit any man who wanted money to the grasp of the usurer. In answer to what had taller) from an Hon. - 31 ember in the course of the debate, he begged to state that Adam Smith was not opposed to the system of laying restrictions on the rate of interest, so fu front it, it was his declared opinion, that " the various reductions of interest were judicious and well timed, (hear, hear ) and that it should generally be fixed at the lowest rate of profit at the time." The Honourable .Member, after some further observations, said, that in order to show howaniquitous and baneful usury had always been looked on, he would cite, in the first place, the authority of Solon : when that great legislator was appointed to re-model the State of Athens, and to correct the vari ous abuses in it his first step was to annul all debts ; his second was to enact a law to prevent usury; for the future from set ing the body of their creditors. lit the middle ages, too, the same course, as to restricting interest, was pursued in all those States that had risen to any eminence; and when the necessities of Princes drove theta to borrow money at a high rate of interest. and to abo lish the laws against usury, the almost universal result was, that the State sunk given her emir.eoce, and was reduced to the low st pitch of distress and misery. To come nearer to their own times. if they looked at France, they would End that very soon after the Usury Laws in that country were repealed by the Convention, the interest on money rose to twenty and thirty per cent. Captain 31ABERI.Y said, it was a mistake to declare there were no laws in France regulating the rate of interert ; there were laws to that effect. So far the principle was established; tlicu.th he was free to admit that the prattiee was dit!'erent, and tkrt the laws were little observed. He would not follow tl e Solicitor-General through all the points of his speech, l tit would ask, in answer to the last case put by that Honourable and Learned Gentleman—that of a person who had no security to give—what man in his senses would lend such a pe sin mo ney? (Hear, hear, hear.) In answer to another case put by the same Honourable sad Learned Gentleman, and al rat seemed to make such an impression on the Hoitse—ihat of the brewers—he would simply reply, that if the person to be set np as the r.otninal proprietor, had good security ta give what would prevent hint from going into the market and get ting money at the common rate of interest (hear, hear), instead of giving up all the profits of his establishment by paying twenty per cent. or perhaps more, as it was said he would be induced to do? 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