The British Press; or, Morning Literary Advertiser. — London, England, 1805-06-21 00:00:00

. H [* , pc 4 Prtttob ret e 1: I `~J , g. .. .~ Ai • news • • - x I''~~' FRIDAY. JUNE 21, 1803. 5) prz VCR stxrapacr. ItIPERI IL PA RI MLNT. ROUSE OF I,OR Di—Tov so s tr, Just 20. ZOtICIIE PEERAGE. The ;,,L e rdship , „ purinot to the t red r of the nay, ee‘o i we e Committee of rt..' .gu., and Teed Waltingham having ri.eri thee' l - 11, e,ninsel ctrl Evidence were fartoer heard re int the claim or ha C. it Hilltop, dr. ci Baron, tar. All 1 . 4 , 4 „„ the part if the Crown at to ne I •hgth. After which, sin mallet considcratioil of the ease war poet potted st r angers were then ordered to withdraw, and Prayers r ' e 'esti After which the exclesion enntinu4s one time : s thd int real, et. •al R. 114 we.erec-iced from the Commons, , ; .t1 (tot rs of the Day disoused of. on our re efroission to the N o ose, the Rd., up o n the Table ‘„,„ i o ns rd....* On the °eras of the lrielt Pulalic Ace aavtasell LII twit/ read ; e Fad eFFOLK obte. wed upon the general imp , rt - ow e of Bills of tla: kind, and tok the chip .rtunttv to oat to ow i n overlong. con .. ete I with the Barrack R....cd hi this' eon or, elarlr, the cite' sre•dance of a Rill bemg due to a Mr ." or • 11411 Prom the Monet 400t.tment, of three years "wing, 4,:ne of the articl s ftirssielied were wets as ready ' . B-.41 for.. lie contended tl:at the pubic, eartire.• guff r f.traa abuets of this kied. lie hoped en.ildr.er erowd 'a- made with res,ect to 1/411Meh I ttie,Militere ettpeinditure ; and, with res:tret to tar peruos aoilioris.al to Ain 1110.'1 the said Ri:i then before tar Ileoe, I.a hivert they would 4o [het duty. Firm ef SUFFUI.K ore-..M.+1 a Petition relative to the $t Patera.: 11,11 i;orr ,reial.ng in isnot Lirtirniptlitruse, and, as VP out I collect, seamy the wee. 114 Pchtiois porpoded t.. be Iron .he Churchwardens, f ereus'oer aud all others, the inhabitants of the paii.h of S . fro*, d c. .. _ _ The LORD 04ANCELLOR noticed an nittivnir info sat ,n Ire 1141',1 cig of the short ettiOr rep/ cwt. t! en bps ra ht,, q ,1 the Nohie f 1; the Tee . t has. tl r to • P-rat.r.o .I,hrimwn fir ow F lent, w.th the unien mai at wt. t•t be protonic I In it. tem to-matervw. HIS NIAJFSTY'S MESSAGZ. Lord MULGRAVE moved the Or•fer of the Du for taking Hi: Majesty's most gracious Mes• tete into consideration; which, as well as the *loge ie rpm , tion, being read ; Lord MULGR AVE wid. that with tripe& us dr Address, which he should have the honour meting, on the occasion of His Majesty's Message, le felt it unnecessary, at least in the first instance, t mob!. thci. Lor .Ish . ps with any obser vat imm. ' I he Address ha shotild propose did not tend to pledge de thus,. to any specific line of proceeding, heyon Mt which he was confident every one of their Lord- Oias wentlJ wish to adopt on the occasion. The Address, merely founded on the Message, would 'pr.:: tor itself, and to its suboance, h • thought, n eiljeStien could possibly be made. .At the same time, he wished, in case any ohjellion should be stair, it might be understood he was at liberty to offer same o'nuservationt in their Lordships upon the subjea. The Noble Secretary then moved an Ad dress to the following effe4: fo return the thanks of he House to Hit Majesty for his most ;trachea alas. mitt t land to assure His f•tajente. Oa: 1 /'‘' reedit) concur, in en thl..ig Ilia Jetty to take due advantage of sties °ppm ttruttes as may occur, and to fulfil such engagements as the exigencies of affairs may require. 01 the question bring put : The Earl of CARYSI Oler rose and said, that the question then before the House involved those pmpositiims, on which it had been his intention to ha-s troubled 'II sir Lordships witb his sentiments. In nterving upon the proceeding of yesterday, and the question under consider ation that evenerg, he weed bare to Call their Lomdships' attention to the oiinmunicetion from the 'Throne, at the is:seeing ce Inc Session; the proceedings adopted in conse quence, and the degree of confident expeCtatoio which these cernmitnications necessarily excited. The questi nose heroes: their Lair ships, nntwiili ?landing the way in which the Noble Secretary coed to treat it, was one of great and peculiar inn eaece. He thought he was authoritatively found. eXn asserting that the vote of credit, to which the age and the Address evidently referred, was to teeter extent than any proposed in similar ell-. flumes, that ever appeared upon the records of 1 liameet. He was authorised to say, hec ruse it publicly spoken of, that the provivon inteaded w made, fsr enabling His Majesty's Amster: to ptutue whatever line of conduft they should think pri' . .per, was n o l ess t h an t h e enormous sum of live althens ; an amount equal to the whole revenue of many of the Potentates of the first rank in Europe. At a proceeding of this kind, he was perfeetly st esished. He would ask upon what grounds *I sisters coull expeet so immense is sum to he con. Jed to their disposal, without any knowledge on his pert or Parliament, of any parzicular object they ad its contemplation ; or without any intimation •hatever being given, as to the political views, to :tee their advice to His Majesty was to be direCted ? w ""lmlithed how the Noble Secretary of State - fella imagine it possible that such a proceeding :sup be ptssed over in silence in that House. In Lee capacity of t.ereditary counsellors of the Cr o w n , tras Impossible th ey c ou ld so f ar f orget all th e fees they owed to their Sovereign, as to remain .nt on so extraordin.sey an occasion. They could 'Qs under such 4 ci• cuntstance, forbear to exercise hat enneral superintendance over all the great con es, el the State, which was constitutionally vested n their ; particularly watt) reference to an im. (lean crisis in the history of the country, induced y the improvident advice of those whom His Made.. had called to his councils; by those who had 'into given no probable pound of hope that the ors GI the c sentry would he br oug h t to a favour or happy issue. He had to c o nd e m n t h e gene "' 'nleM adopted by Ministers with reap eR to com 21.1cations to P.rliament on the state of political ars the advice of that grist council of the ice . be frequently ta k en , an d communi cantainine true information respeEting the item public affairs, ought frequently to be made. 'Me of• eondutt. Sounded Deem that plow - bed been pursued , t h e y w o u ld not now le lament that the country was without f7Zie Ally upon the enatineut of Europe, tilt Mlllitiers, with sesped to forming a con- nedion with Foreign Powers, had been for more than six months perfectly inadive. If a different line of contiud, from that adopted by His Majesty's Ministev, had been followed, they should nut now have to fear the effols of the preponderating power and influence of France. They would see that Foreign Powers, instead of resisting our solicitations, and instead of keeping aloof, would court alliance and connenion with Great Britain, and even them selves propose to confederate with it, in order to se cure a lastine peace to Europe, founded on the se curity and independence of every nation in it. But the steps taken of hue years, on the part of this cuuntry, were such ascended to produce effeds diame trically opposite; they had a tendency even to shake the confidence of foreign powers in the conduit of Great Britain; and certainly to overturh that wise and vigorous system of our ancestors with respell to their foreign policy. In discussing this import. ant part of the subjed, he called their Lordships' attention to the late treaty of peace, in consequence of which, this country was entirely left by itself, solely dependant on us own strength, and under continual apprehension of invasion by a Continental enemy. That measure, and the correspondent line of condua pursued by His Majesty's Ministers, re duced th:s country to the necessity of maintaining large internal military force, and entailed a great additional ourthen uiron the people. It was impos. more that we could long ad upon such a system ; it was incompatible with the interests or security of a country whose prosperity so mach depended upon its commerce and the freedom of its constitution.— With respett to thd occasion to which he had re cently adverted (the Treaty of Amiens), it was with satislatlion he refieded that he had concurred with some other Noble Lords, in declaring at that time his cony:Chow relative to that inauspicious measure, and of those consequences which must, of necessity, result from it ; and weir Lordships could not bat recoiled, that when the definitive treaty was under consideration, the Ministers were not only distinctly warned of the consequences of the measure, but ad vised to adopt a specific line of conduct, by which that spirit or enc:o tchment, which, even at that vet y time, was maiiiiested by France, might be cows:er oded ; and those pledges retained, by which the enemy might be compelled, on their parts, to a due execution of the treaty. Unfortunately for the country, Ministers then thought proper to disregard those warnings, and preferred to at in such a way, as if the situation of Europe, and the conduCt of France, were not such as roost not render it necessary again to recur to force. The mea sure to which he adverted, could not be called a treaty of peace; it was, in point of fad, 4 mere suspension of arms. The county y was arm plunged in war, and it was a duty impose 4 upon that House to enquire with rem ^'f 44 , ystera of co:needing its and OS consider the pro" bthilities under that system, of its being orought to a safe and favourable is.ue. In this vie* of the question, they would have to compare the present situation of the country with that in which it 'toed at the commencement of the war We were then masters of every sea in the world, the united naval lorcc of Europe could not asT with etia`t against us. We had a force sufficient, as was stated by Minis ters, amply allikAeat tUr the defence of the country, and they even boasted, that they had colieded to arms, a body of men, constituting a military force, superior to that of any country in the wotld ; that its numbers, of all descriptions, ex ceeded eight hundred thousand men in arms. Let their Lordships contrast that with the present state of the cauotry, and it would be seen what a use Minis ters made of such extraordinary powers. With a Naval force exceeding in number seven hundred ships, the enemy's marine nut only received no blow, but they were able to continue, without interi up tion, all their preparations for the invasion of the country. In every respell were the enemy now superior to us, not only in a military, but in a naval point of view, and the country had reason th:s mo snent to tremble fur the safety of its foreign posses smas, particularly its western possessions; and the security of its trading ships not so much depended on the superiority of its marine as on the favourable effects of chance, and the apparent hope txisteJ of A renewal of those Continental connedions, on which the interests and security of Great Britain aid Eu rope reciprocally depended. Their Lordships had no information whether the Negotiations who Russia, r with any other Continental Power, were with a ieur to hostile operations, nor even whether any appearances of a pacific disposition appeared on the part of the enemy; but merely that the Sovereign d d not di; ik himself enabled to snake a communi cation on the subjeft to the House. These serious and important considerations, he chi ught, called fur expociations on the part of Ministers. Their c induCt in these instances, was widely different terent that adopted by our ancestors; surd, il lustrating this, his Lordship particularly releired to the communications made to PArllAMent, at and subsequent to the period of forming the grand alliance against France (Reign of ‘Villiarn 11l ). Some of these, with the answers, particularly of the Commons, were voted by lus Lordship, who frequently advised the Crown as to the preterable line of consiud to be pursued. The happy and be neficial creels of such a mode of proceeding was, lie contended, sufficiently apparent. Let their Lord ships, on the present occasion, follow these great and patriotic examples of their ancestors. Let them sn..w, by every means in their power, by their language, and by their adions, their firm deter mination to give every support to His Majesty, but in such a way as may be most conducive to the great ends thef all had in view. Let them sheer their determinetwo to secure the tall benefits of the intraius;ile coustitution of the country. Let them rem tuber, thu the King ot the United Kingdom ot Great Britain and Leland WAS placed in A dtt t.:rent Atuation from that ot other ptentates in Eu rope. L.:: the general sense, spirit, and wishes of his people be expressed to birn, by their cateKitu• tior.al organ, the Parliament 0; these principles, and under the convictions by which he was im pressed, he would beg leave to suggest an amend ment, the ultimate ohjed of which, however,was, that of the proposed Address ; it would go to give His Majesty the highest assurances of the follest sup port of that House; that they would not merely concur in a vote for a limited sum, but to assure him of their full and cordial assistance, in enabling His Majesty to make the best advantage of say opportunity that might arise. He should therefore move to amend the M',tiun ter the A 'chess, by lea v- % ing out a part of as °rig'', illy proposed, and in. inaead thereof, a declitretion of tiie House to the above effed ; the concluding rent of which in cluded a request in purport, that His Majesty would be graciously pleased not to prnrogne Pis Parlia ment, until His Majesty should be enabled to corn municete more fully the state of his Negotiatieus wit.: Freeigu Power., Oa this the question being put ; Lord 1141.1 L( ;RAVE rose, and begged per mis.ion of the House to offer a few observations ; he was not disposed to enter into a discussion of 'the far greater number of the considerations adverted to by the Noble F.arl who proposed the amendment, as he was totally at a loss to conceive how most of the observations made by him could apply to the question before the House. So far from that ques tion involving any thing ',tending to separate this Country from its connedions with the Coutinent,that principle is expressedly recognised, and a disposi tion en the part of His Majesty to uphold that system of conneftion ; inasmuch as the intimate con nedion between the interests and prosperity of his dominions, with the security and independence of Lampe, is expressed in tereis. A great part of the Noble 11 irl's speech, h over et, turned on questions, respeding the apelicetion ot the powers of the coun try, it means of defence and offence, and the ads leged unfitness of His Majesty's present Ml:esters to administer those means and powers, with honour fn His neje' ty, or with safety end advantage to his dominions. And, on those questions, as aris:ng nut of the Noble Earl's speech, be begged leave to offer a few remarks —First, with resped to the state of military defence, the exertions ot Government, for the last sixteen months, were such as, he was cone fieent, would give satisfatlion to the House. Those, he was suite, never had been exceeded, under similar circumstences, in any country . whatever. Within that period nu less th to 37,000 men have been added to the disposable force of :he country. So that at this moment our disposable force was at le sat cue hundred and nireteen thousand men. With respect to the provision made for the defence of our Colo- Mel possessient, no less than seveuteen thotisand men t etied been dispatched for their security. isteetiie 0 1- teel Peru oftisis 'conip:dedwith that et the enemy, was every was superior. The number of ships actually in cemmission was no less than ninety-one sail of the line. These were cc :teeny in service. The total amount of the ene my's naval force, from the best information they could coiled, did nut exceed eighty-three .hips of the line, including. Dutch, Spanish, and Fre lei'. In addition to cur ships of the line, we had in service twelve 'fty gun ships. Of that de scription of force, added to our ships ot the Inc,i• we had a decided superiority, in point of number, of at least twenty ships. We had still a greater re ("onion of frigates. With this aggregate force, we had every where acher and decided superiority; and, until very lately, the whole of the enemy's n teal Ince was closely blocked up in their ports. On this point, their Lordships would of course con sider the impossibility of any G tvernment counting upon that which depended on no human foresight or power ; their inability to anticipate or to prevent the changes and fludeatinns of ;teed' and weither, and on which these kind of naval operations abso lut ljr depended. From the moment they heard sit the escape of ss part of the enemy's naval force from their ports, not an instant was lost in send ing detachments in pursuit of them. Under such circumstances, it would be equally impossible for any Government to obtain accurate information. as to the deolnatioa of squadrons wh'eh had so escaped. But he could fully assure their Lordships, that under these circumstances, every possible precaution had been taken on the part of Government to countered and defeat the opera tions and efforts of the enemy. Wish respell to Cie state of the negnietinns in vestion, he had to ob serve, that their aflual state rendered it improe per to make a commulication to Parliament upon them. In the Amendment projaned by the Noble Eirl, a request was made to His Majesty that Pare liament should not be prorogued unto such corn mu. nication should be made to the House. With re,gard to this, he would ask on what ground such a requiaie tion was made? Did such a pradice obovn en ter mer occasions? Did it take place at any period of the lite ostensive and eventful warfare? Certainly net. With respell to the particular °Ned to which the Address more imniedietely referred, it Will the ton. form praftice in all the late wars, to come to a vote of credit similar to that now proposed, to enable Go vernment to take advantage of such contingent cir cumstances as may arise, during the races, of Par liament. Under the existing cireitmstancee, the Sovereign has not been able to make a direct corn. munic.stion on the topics adverted to by Parliament. He would submit to the House, whether it was either constitutional or consistent with the practice of Parliament, to interfere with the progress of Negocietions, the condud of w!.ich was, by the Constitution, exclusively in the Crown. His Majesty would be advised by his confidential servants and Ministers, when such a communication can properly be maee ; and he would therefore put it to the House, whether at the present moment, and under the existing circumstances, they would not put the same degree of confidence in Ministers, which, on similar occasions, they had formerly done? After the Noble Secretary had concluded, a pause for two or three ininster took ELice, and no Peer shewed a disposition to speak. At length I Lord HAWK/Iei:BURY rose and observe', he felt it his duty: on the present occasion, to sewn n by every argument in his power, w'oat had fallen from his Nerble Colleagne. Without entering into a minute detail of the objeetions of the Noble Earl, he cull not allow cenein of his allusions to pass il without melting some • onservations upon th-M. Fest, upon the expediency and advan t age of C o ni nental connections, unen weich point so much had been said, no Pear in hit Howse, lie believed, entertaieed the smallest differeace of opinion. Mi. nssros always Pfaunl it the interest of the c o unt r y, an.l always 'telt it their duty to att r act to t he re l at i ve state of the Continent. and endeaenu r ee t o preeeve that degree of conneetien with foreign power s , weiels it was of the utmost i t epor .'ere to the interests Of the country to keep up. Tee: this principle w e : meetly (rope i f ; vies?, are! deer asserted, he 0(.41 refer ereteseefiscesiinin which took pl ice GII ['LC tete Preliminary and Definitive Treaties of 7:;4c7. :din, he mast observe, long before these tree:ice, ':ad the fate of the Continent been decided -he allu tt 1 to the provisions of the Tr-sty of Lunevek. After teat measure, with a view to our own pei tit:4er interest, and even to the relative sits i .ts11!.(11 a of the powers on the Confiner, it was thouget more expe..fient to husband our resources, Oats to con tinue the struggle alone, in which, if this c-suatry had persisted, it would be to bee engaged single handed with the enemy, without first try e.g tee ex periment of peace. He would state eiseeet:y, that the principles upon which the Foray of A:nitre proceeded. were not only theen whit i were best for ri the interest ''t this country, but for those of the eontir.ent of Europe. Ever since th it period, he contended there was no oeportunite kid . whatever, of forming a beneficial coenection with i Foreign Powers ; bet the Circumstances u o jer t which, and the reasons why such en :savours -.rid not succeed, formed entirely distinct questions ; hoe the °llea had been connetitly pursued, and no ground existed for kap:sting blame in that res e ed to the conittet of His Mei 'sty's Government.— The question now before their Lordships nee, be re solved into a narrow compass. In the or. ion of His Majesty, considering tee season of the yenr. and the state of the public, it was prop..es• spin lily to put an end to the sessi sr. of Parnement. le ',es vitw, the usual vote of et:de wes proposed, Ape ' which, in due coarse, teetild come befnre 1144 Loniships, to be decided ors. But it seetned &lie:firms wee iii.ele not, ..so much Eon what the Message did creltain. as fhr what it did not cone fain. Heweverein point of feet, there %V. 41 11:10%i . in the Address which at . :di militated event tl r pr:.tciples whichi the Noble lend so srroegly erne! ino tee gis tats onnete-thefte Coe ..r ' °' 1 . . le A - II then whet the ome recognised, and uy its repeatedly seta end. Indeed, both the Messer and the Aldress Majesty, aduelly Put of the Speech delivered by His on the first day of the present Session. and from the corms.. 'tiding Ad dress voted by the I louse—they were, therefore, net called upon to aecedesce Unite- any riecesles. nut those they admitted on the - first Joy et see Setsien ; in illustratinn of which, the Neble Secretary read a part of the Address alluded to, and which earticue ialrir referred to the passing coinnosieceriens be tween His Majesty and the - Einpeeer ei ftussia.-e The negociatinas which steisequently took piece had nu: yet been hi-might to rest point in witicie His Majesty could mete a regularly Parliamen tary communication, Was there any thing in that consideration, not arising out of the constie tntion of this country,. or out of ete preCtice or Parliament ? Did it imply blame to Govern• meat, because the rate of negociations was sot laid before Parliament before they had C"1111e so some re,uh ? He did not mean to deny there might I exist some particular Cat's there i: nr-y be the 1 dot? of PsrlillTP At to tail for the state 4 !ter- i.e. tions while pending. But, he believed, it was the generally understood praelice of the House, more • especially of late year, and generelly admitted, that to communicate negotiations while pending would be to ti estrus their objet„ to be proetterte of no real benefit ; and lastly, to exoeerate M'nis ten from that respoesihility which otherwise they would bear. The question before the House was by no means one iif principle, it was solely a question of discretien : under a principle generally .I.lrnittesethey might sureiy decide Upon that which migln be tieing the interests of 'he cottony, without weition Le ties issue of Nerciitions ; mere especieity oa a qa.ne tion not invelying arty prineiple, but merely its ap. ... plication. Under all the circumstances of the case. ' he could see no sold reason whatever, fur to ti the Amendment. Ihe Address, as hi, 'Noble Fiend had well steted, pledged the House to no thing, but Ivied thee all cencurted in, namely. i to support His Majesty; and even that did, not pledge them ere point beyond :h-ir Address nn the first day of the Session. lie saw nu good vetoed foe voting tor the Amendment; thereture ee sheald resist its adoption. The Earl of CARLISLE shserved, that in de. cidir.g on the question: eerier t- ten, enir Lordships ought seriously to consider the red situation • 1 the Country. erhey should bear in mini einticeeely. the coneue of His Mejesty's Ministers, what lspes. s what expeeetiens, the y had repeatedly held out —how these had been fulfill et, and from th mcorn parison to decide upon the degree of confidence (it any then they deserved), which should now be placed is them. On this heed he would observe. that the confidence of the people of this country did not de pend upon what was promised. but upon what was performed. lie would, therefore, ask, has any one thing been &tie of all that Ministers had promised, nr of all the exssieetions they held out. has any one been realise d' Let their Lordeli s look every where, and he would ask, is not to situation of the country netch worse than it was at the end of the last session of Parliament ? Let them ios.k to the state of tile Army, and the operations of the Navy in all parts of the worts!, and ace what • I 6 ~ . - ~s iir , i 1 4'. Pie 4 4 10. NOP ' I 1 C ~,,, at' • 310.1 lOW .