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• • _ . former &RIR, implying, that infamy mutt WI upon the iiccuser, should he not succeed in these charges. (A cry of Au! so!) Mr. PERCIV it. added, that the Noble Lord had nothing further to do, t h an to use the summons of the House t,i call the persons he hod alluded to to the Bar, oo so to get the prudectecoa of any evis deuce he 11114111 deem necessary. Mr. emote-After the very aide manner in which the Right Hoisouriable Gentleman opposite ()Ir. Percevie) bad spoblei, M answer to what had tallea flow the Noble Lord near him, he certainly should not hive downed it isecessatry to add one word, if he hail set received information, while he was out of the Histme, that it bad been stated the llouourable (.:entlargen who brought forward this uestiou lad Leta '446iep from his course by the e .peess adviser of tsl4 *opt' Duke. 04 These are nearly the words I Imslmanded to me, and 1 ap peal to the Noble (,out litgiselfif they be correct." Lord FoLestroeressot I certainly said. that the eooirse which had here ueopted in these proceed ' is was l i e the exiite,siootitgitation of the professed .41i iser of the Royal Doke. ' Mr. Abest enntinUrd ttirl-0 4 Of comae t' Let was the ' , raise in which Thituderstand the Noble Lord to hove spoken regurding me ; but what I hare principally to emnplraitt of, is. that in the Thous of Columans, where every man is addressed bottoms imitable to his partecular character--such Baronet br the title of Wocthy Baronet-1 Lord by that of Noble (.ore sweamilier Member by that of IllonoaraNe Gentleounie and w, ..., it is surely both iireealar a,td mijoist, particislaily in such a• case as ties. that 'my epithet slinidol le given to any person in that Douse, except that which is cousoicatit to the iislize of it. If the Nolde Lord had mid that the Learned Gentleman hall duns so an I so. I slemill no; perhaps have simile 461 y oliser vationi tem.' the sollject ; tint alien it is to eu forth to the Antony. that the " Profreell Adviser" of the Royal Duke had suggested the simile of investigatiod smite.: forward, I think I have rea son to complain that I was merely alluded" to by the title of the " Professed Adviser," Lista' of that wide!' was appropriate too the emit ttttt of their proceedings. I here my freiiiiga as to this subject, fur it is net impossible t hat any versan who has asp. ? f ared as a oitness Is fore the Committee of the Meow. from the K ee at lett;ttli of the proeretlingt. limy he Covina to hove fallen into n taistake; for tite hest of persoies Ludy err; L^t these things make Use particalarle attains to repel the teed if the . agyellationi the Nellie Lon-1 hits aen me, iii the tem 'modiste taawier, that my statement may go out to the politic in Its rtmag terms as the other Was given. I know that this Dowse chi Hot. io grher.sl, to hear penee...ll - boot I tru-t they will listeii to the yustiti eation of a person who, to the cnurve of a very !wig lire. mid a real deal of Lewin's" owl public disty, both in end not of this Doom. thinks it of itssentance that he should preberve without touch Or ste4stri that character and repot mon selM.h has beim honouranle cud reepectahle tn..ougliotit life. I appeal to the }lease, whether, in a life of years Perhamentry duty. spent la no great prosperity. but certamly rather in very consider able adversity, with a large family to support. I have not resisted any thing like temptation, hut her;e4 to r line of independent conduct in this Dome ? and if the Noble Lord eslinot attach to My character the criminality of teat. ring my situa tion i., Parliamentrlaniug that loug perind. I think it is rather too late now to attempt to make such insinuation, by using a particular expression. or that Isy Wine the adviser of the Royal Duke, I have deviated from my original line of proper con duct. Th•it I have heel Intercourse with that itrtylli Doke is certain ; but I beg the Douse to reenllect what was the nature of the piewtediegs now before them, at the time I first ventured to touch npoo the question. The floe. Gentlenme who brought it Arnim!. did not of himself make any sweetie motion fur a *elect Committee being appointed forth, iartnitigatioh, althesigh he hinted, in his ',weds, that such a Committee might be the most proper male. fu the course of the discisamnit •it was suggested, that • Parlia mentary- Commisoion should be institutetl.ntirl, elrept that, awl the instance of the Noble Lord n'unmelf, I do not recollect that there was a sipo e dissentient voice in the Home as to the course el proceeding. I was most anxious that the proceeding should be public, but the manna for a Committee of the whole House was met made by me, but siyatested and made by °di' rs, who tasted the advantages !AOv to be derived from it. I put it to the Howie if thrre has been the lewd interruption to the most free. perfect. and i apartial in tosiry possible? There has bete' no ottryttoll alerted to prevent that course being adopted, and that sort of inve-tigetirm taking place. I hove tierce pressed myself lemon, in ally Manner that can entitle nny tole to add the apiwl lateen to of.. Adviser to the Royal Duke." When the Noble Lord anal Floe. Gentleman slated, lam 'sight, neat they had another thar,,se to bring forward, I sustained entirely from personal inter ferenee. and Wt. .lettrt sl to do so, nukes when called teeth to answer questions." Lard FOuteroar. stated, that he meant no im potence by calling the Learned Gesstlemun the Adviser of the Duke of Yolk. Mr. Cat.caart --a I should not ebjeet to the Noble Lord taking credit to himself for the assist ance he atforded to the llostour.shle Gentlemsn who has brought forwent this ; but it was rather sin 4nlar to hear him aura... Tithe; to hies- Asir all the merit of taint so. This was to detract fermi the exertion's of others. who certaiuly lent t seir woitaiser. I felt sewaewhat delicate upsets the subject of naterfering persoindly to assist the llo nourahle I ientleinan, being well coovineed, by for mer experemee, at hi, .hihtirs to menage such mattrrs. This it wits that prevented me front threstine myself into his councils, unasked and uncalled for; but I think it ill becomes any :Wein bet to arroote tds himr•lf merit anperior to. any other Member of the floosie, *hiss their motives might he as just marl as ind;rions its his own. I think I Inset elready read my Noble f'riend's pone. 'eyrie in entre puhliention, or I may yrt rend it; sod I think it onielet have come, or may yet come, with * he;ier _rare tram any other pro or mouth e m his own.' • lowa Fry 1 1, --" I errogitte tiff Int rit to ITV : - s" If, bat I was mersly•ebiting the &ft. that I !mad thought it memory to afore the Honourable Gentleman. who was 'tiled Newer, souse personal oselensuce in this investigation." The House than went into a Committee. Mr. Wozots thee stated, that as he understood rumours were going abroad that he could not prove the baud-writing of the Duke of York by ally other testimony than that of. Mts. Clarke, lie hoped that some declaration would be made by some of the Hon. Gentlemen opposite, on that point E or he trust call witnesses to prove it more satisfactorily. The AM) lIKET-GENERAL said, that the Hon. Gentleman was mistaken, in supposing that any person in that House had authority from the Itoyal Doke to prove his hand-writing. As for him, he could not suggest any other mode for bins to pur sue, than that of calling witnesses upon every point he wished to prove. Mr. WARDLE then proposed to call Cot. THOMAS WA LK ER, To prove the Duke's hand writing; but this Witness was not in attendance. Mr. WILLIAM MACDOWAL was next called, but he hud not then arrived. Mr. WARDLE proposed next to call the atten tion of the )House to the Letter, that had been produced by the select Committee, and first as to two Letters from Samuel Carter to Mrs. Clarke. Mr. I,Esest observed, that it would be neeexsary in the first place to prove the hand-writing of the several letters intended to be produced as evidence. For this purpose, the next Wittic-s called was SIBS. MARY ANN CLARKE. _ _ Q. Do you know the hand-wetung of Samuel Carter ?—A. Vet, I do. Q. Have you see:, hun write?—,t. I hair seen him kerne many times, She was then. *hewn some letters, and proved them to he of his haul-writing. Mrs. Clarke alb() 'proved the hand-writing of Ge neral Chnering. in four letters sheen to her. S:ie was then *hew,' some letters. purporting to Iva from Baroness Nelleken. and also some Irom Mr. El !ruin]. all or r hick she identified. aodi upon beiseA ordered to withdraw, she said she wished to say a word or two before lewving the noose. She accordingly stated... I never told Mr. Nicholls iu say lire I was married to Mr. Drewler." 'Me Minim, withdrew, end the letters from Suantel Carter, to her, were reed by the Clerk. Tile substance ortheut wag : *S. ts, teim. " liesrltime. MAD %N 1..." 1 wrualoihr &MVP 401 11b01116.114 Nit 1 irr'et%.°4l ,u ans.. r, which has put me Ye • owl Iru+tbb, thy Adjutant illillllllll nu r u o, thatiflMtYl wady, I la pat ua.irl art, Kt. Please okhaaia ate leave a dr. •etc. FN. thly, and Cut oar we with a lamb to dispel nay fear , . te. cf Wight, Ort.l, !Inc - - " Iron ounr.n 31ADAW—l'ia witreowly sorry ut out liar ine it In my power to wail upon )us tot °trier to thank you for ..,%11" kind 11•11CTUICUrC whnrh I 11MT cxperietterti, which has made a deep imprer.don upon my heart which onthiug ran do away 1 hare to thank you hwhawit g placed me in my pees et situation—it is one, however, which rewptirew the greatest Cf , . , 110111V. I have no camp equimute, UM e I money to buy it, and, therefore, if, Madam, you'll extrna you.- ki0..1. lures towards me. by gtting toe P 41114" pectutiat y Aid, I Cu et retain • ; Falai! .4 imettloauee of it. I hate the things doss which I have rorthaserl with the mosey f bi might * itit St, ammiuting in all to 411. 196. Oil." &C. &C. .c Transport, Spithead, January 14, lbOi. " Ho4f)1:11Z11 :‘14...‘1,-1140:114-4 by my situation, not . ithstanding your gamin. ss, I hope you'll scone me for sons troubling y in. At last lam on hoard i hat lamin • saltation more easily to he inrizitoril than described. I have no stockmen for va) voyeze, tow any money to puirbaste them. I bat: to loLcp nivel) Ciiir hours daring every night, and I hove nothing but salt meat to eat, and bud rum and water to dria c. Your goodness, honoursd Mudions, gives me reason to suppose pin will not has e me in ibis state, bet that you'll assist me, and prevent me staryine. Should •:an iris( toe peeuniaiy aid, it will be doing nu net worthy of yourself, and implant is m . : heart gratitude for the favour, never to be forgotten... Please direct t. the Post-Office, Pllt t _ " P. C• Sine , writing, I have received orders to izu to Cork, to which place you may direct." Mr. Lest Thu letters that are said to he written by Baroness Nolleken are not particularly applicable to any charge now before the !louse. They refer to the interference of his Royal High fleas not only as to niilitnry appointments, but in matters merely civil, and he should, thereftire. take the liberty of submitting to the House, whether these letters should now he read, as the present in vestigation only relates to military appointments?" %fr. WIIITBREAD submitted, that they should now proceed to hear those next in order, us the band-writing had heen identified. The letters from General Clarering . to lira. Clarke were then read. The 11011)StMlee of them w as-- Rishoposlter, June al, 1004. " MV Ds in Mts. Cr.annv---Of ahem your tame of yesterday has lwen travelling I have too annals It had not readmit Conduit-street till yesterday Mies noon. It is pro voking, a. ravished to see yule. ite mast commie ourselves will the hope of 'amt. Intonate et C•plrutt.t't .1. 1804. Mir DrAlt tea —Yon nicntiened that his Royal not comprehend loy proposal. My idea is, that Is the ti fa, Art stated lint tarn to be thereby raised situold not be roapprllabh• to serve out of the United :MU, and that they shoal.' nut remain embodied for mote than a:A tomtits Mier the peace, as we have already experienced the mischief attending this limited service, my prop sal was to make Wren for raisin r the num for unlimited service, the battalions to be solely oliserved from the Malt% pay List, by whieh aivemnimit anal.' stepstre • larze disci plined force. Should any opportimity occur, stair this, to g. raoh my suggestions as to the. Militia, to his Royal Ili:loom, as he may tie Brest with my proposals, enjwcially when thiongh you 1 have kern .o IN erntly under au obliga tion to him Communicate all tlw good things you can for me, let.. ice." . _ " Sept " 311 nr APr TT MRS. iwz ..:u1 me Wfied to the l'ilurvuf Wakes (:offer-Louis, whether )uu CAR receive Ye at angs ad eight o'clock in the evening. " "Sept. Iflo4 "hlv Dion Deo& NR.. ('t.t,rta►.—t thank you fur your ittelioatiau to m re, mr, stud although flits Iset exer tion boo ralp.t , In n rattail) gran:fill for the attempt Van you toutrlre to taert t" we he. ke. " December t 2,1944. uMy I): . .arws? M fl• 11-1 hear Pune it;giiiients are to be raised, piens" let ow know iii. trails ut it, ss it is to roe shisost Owls ilib:s. 1 sow R. 0. yrs:today, snit he was to :rase luso tr-night," Lc. ste. Mr. Lucu interrupted the reading of the laat letter. as it mated, that Mrs. Clarke had procured for 11r. Ellerton • l'Aynoistership, which Ake had not stated its her evidence. Th,s sl Id have Nirs. Clarke to PGV through what oicinnel that applica tion was made. This b. itur agreed to. Mr. Clarke was again called in, a.sl irstrwriv,otte4 by WARDLr. Q. Thrnfilgil what influence thd you get the ray tuubterahip for Mr. Ellvrton.—A. The Duke of York *Aid Mr. Greenwood to get it for him, bat it was very muck against hip wishes. Q. Was it any military matter ppon which Ba roness Nolleken wrote to you ?—A. No; it WAS not. Q. What was the object of the Baroness's appli cation ? [Here Mrs. Clarke was ordered to withdraw.] Mr.• LEECH—" I apprehend weouAlit nut to ad mit of this question, as the letter itself relates to a civil appointment, which is not at present the sub ject of investi c ,_ . , mti on." Sir GEO. W mtneenea supported the propriety or putting this question, upon the ground that sitnilar matters had been already disclosed iu zasine of the former interrogatories. Mr. BATIIURST thought the question might be proper, according to the answer that might hr given by Mrs. C. as to whether she solicited las Royal Highness for the appointment mentioned in the letter. Lord FOLILSTONE thought that if there were any form in the objection, it would be net ...assts. ) . for the Committee to direct the Chairman to move fur the enlargement of their powers. MKS. CLARKE. Q. (By Mr. WAILDLE.) hid you apply to the Duke of York, in cousequence of Barone,: Not le- Itch's letter ?—A. Yes, I did ; hut I do tint know what is the subject of the letter yon allude to, as thrie were several wishes of Baroness Nollelteit float 1 applied about, and skewed all her letters to his Royal flightless. Q. (k General Lorrts.) Did you hear Mr. Greenwood say that it was agmnst his consent that the Duke of York appointed Mr. Ellerton ; or how do you know it S—A. his Royal Highness told me that himself, and very likely Mr. Green wood will say so too. Q. (By Mr. LErcit.) I wish the Witness to look ;te„auti at those letters, and say, whether they are all written by theliarnoess Nolleken ?—. l l. No, souse part , of them appear to be in a different hand. Vilma she wti► ill her eldest son wrote for her, and some part of them appears to be of her soli r hand-w riting. Q. Did you ever su,, her eldest son write ? A. I think I did, but i cannot he positive as to his hand-writing . Q. (By Mr. llouivsr.) Were the letters you ,now say were written partly by her son, those you formerly said were written by the Baroness herself? —A. Yes they were ; hut you will recollect I had not a motopot to hunk at theta; and another thing is, that those letters had been taken without my consent. I bad sent them down to be burnt about a twelvemonth ago. Q. Do you mean that these letters were written a twelvemonth alto?—A. No, 1 suppose the dates of them will *hew when they were written. Q. Do you know the hand-writing of the Ba roness's other son ?—A. No, 1 do not. Q. In short you do not linnet whose hand-writ big it is 1, have hardly looked at them, but I know the subject pretty well. The Baroness wanted a pension of 4001. a ! year. [Witness withdrew,] And Mr. Limo' propoied that tile above qnes lion and answer should be expunged, as the Com mittee was not to inquire as to ciid appointments. Sir T. Turron and Mr. Cu taLtl. ADAMS sup ported the question, as perfectly relevuid. This point was not furtliei discusroA, but they proceeded to hear the letters from Mr. Henry Ll lerton, to Mrs. Clarke. Jannary it. MT Draft Mint Nu—Mar :on ('harks', .ippoisitment is confirmed this morning, and he is to leave tun., for Ports. wroth, and to go on board on NVedriesday next; do you thiutc, &tar Madam, volt can prevail ell the Duke of York to give him letters of recommendation to Madra., .rat get him appointed into, the cavalry instead of the intontry.—.ll vim ran do, 11111 tureur, it will ever semain mermen on my heart. /r. " Deccuilitr J. NIT MltAlt. M a 11. 1 1.111-..retbapil you'll have the guioduess to introduce the subject I wrote about to his Royal Ilighoesa as early as posaikde, sons to guide my son's conduit." Extract from Mr. Ellertoo's letter to the Duke of York : " April 17. " It it impostiblr to express toy giatitmle to your Royal Highness, fur the moot-rani tareurs l ow hate conferred upon ate, fur confirming my leave of abseuee, and the T•fit'n , V re romneendalions arnl favours you have bestowed upon ley sou, Sze. " Two letters, from Baroness Nolleken to Mrs. Clarke, were next read. They were merely compli mentary, and expressing gratitude fur numerous fa vours unlit...trill. Nlr. PLReEV tt. oli ,, erved, that the lever which had heels read, and which was directed to the Duke of York, had no seed upon it, end iippenred as if left for her option, whether it should be scot as di rected or not ;it therefore was riot to supposed the Duke's, although found in her p0.,e..i0n. Sir T. T, irroN soid, Mn.s Clarke eoilid be call ed in and asked ahoy it. l'i.ncEvAt. said :ie had no r.hjertimi. Mr. W Aaut.E, however. called in THOMAS WALK LH, ■nd proceeded to examine Q. Did you live with Airs. Clarke as coarlimart. at the time %he re.ided in Gloucester-place ?—Yea. Q. Do pia recollect swuuel Carter living there ? A. Yes. Q. W. 1.1 Runnel Carliur in the habit of waiting. at table ?-41. Q. Do you know Iliai4 Taylor ?—A. Vea; j NM her frequently in Gloucester-place. Q. 11 as SitilMel Carter in the Intik of riding be hind the carriage ? A. he Wal , . Q. • ( By Lord FnLitsroms.) %V orr you heud coachman at that time?—.l. Yes. 4.4. How many horses did Mrs. Clarke keep at that time ?—A. Six or scveti. Q. how many carria.;,•% ?—A. Two carriages at a time. Q. Do you know who provided keep for the horses Mrs. Charity. Q. Did she pay the bills ?—A. As far Li I know she did. Q. (By Mr. YORKE.) Did Samuel Carter wear livery ?—A. No. Q. How do you know that Samuel Garter wait ed at table?—A. I waited at Wile at the same time. Q. Did you ever wait at table while the Duke of York w::4 there ?--A. Yes. I did. Q. Did Samuel Carter wear a livery, when be hind the carriage No. - AVst% there livery kept for aoy aar►aat Yes. for a footasaa. Q. Did you wear livery :—A. Y. Q. (By Mr. Sumat.e.) Did yoo know Simnel Carter tvefore he lived with Mr•. Clarxe ?—A. Nu. lle lived along with Captain ... : . Q. Do you mean today that witei. h.• lir ••1 with Captain Sutton, he way his iivrvaist ?—.t. Nu ; I do tint mean to vay ►o. Q. I lid Samuel IL: irter dire, and eat hi d with the other servanta ?—A. Ile mig:it, for .01,;lit 1 know. Q. 1•ul you ever hear whose son he as , :?—A. No, I d tl not. 4. Flow many servants did Mrs. Clarke keep? —A. Six or seven. _ - Q. (liy Mr. WARDLE.) 1)o y'ou recollect %is Tay for outing there when par waited, at table ? A. I recollect. When his Royal Highcrs and Mrs. Clarke diued together. uouther lowly being prew►w. Q. Lin you kuow who that lady was leo Dot recollect. Q. lin you know Miss ?—A. I as own Q. Did you ever wee Miss Taylui to Ginbrebter place ?—A. Yes. I did. Q. (Ity Sir Jean Stivßiiarr.) In phut rstweity did you understand Samuel Cutter lived with Cept. Simon ?—A. I do nut know. Q. How long did yogi live with Mrs. Carter?— A. Three yew's. Q. Whom do you live with now ?..—Mre. Clarke. (4. (By 111 r. liviscavAr.) ll'here did yon tint live with Mrs. Cleo ke ?—A. In Tnvistock•row. 1 come with her to Gloucester-place. Q. Hine you lived with bar ever sine° ?—A. e. Q. When 11111 you leave her After site left Cluuee-tur-place. Q. When rhJ you return to her service 3—.4.. About vix week^ ago. Q. Dill sou live with her at any time 'hiring that interval I—.l. Yvs ; a little time alter iihe left Gloucester-place. Q. Did Samuel Carter often go behind the rar ringel—A. Once or twice. (4 1 . How long did Samuel Carter live with Mrs. Clarke?—A. About twelve months, to the hest of my knowledge. [Witness withdrew.] WILLIAM MiIIOWALL called in, soul examined by Mr. Wspnt.r. Q. Did you live as footman with Mn.. iu Glom emer-plare ?—A. Yes. Q. Do you recollect thy came of the other foot man who lived there at the sane tluie ?—A. Ills name was Carter., _ Q.. Did you anti the other work tog •then Q. 1)o you know Miss Taylor?—:l. I knoll a lady of that num-, but cannot say it is the same you mean. Site used to go to IVeybritiges Q. Do you recollect her at Wey bridge. ea well as at Gloucester-place ?—A. I knew a lady of that name; hut I cannot say I should {mow her to be the same. Q. Do you recollect a Miss Tailor being at Weybritlge when the Duke of York was there . A. 1 cammt env. He mi; , ht be there at the time; I tinn't k the. Duke of York. Q. Iln you lire with Mrs. Clarke new ?—A. No. Q. Aro ynti iu place at present ?—A. Yes. Q. W;.ii whom do you hve ?—A. Mrs. Johnson. Q. hit year was it in which you lived a ith Samuel Carter at Mrs. Clarke's ?—A. I cannot recollect. Colonel Vcretitra desired that the Witness might withdraw. Ile then observed that the Wit ness was drunk-4A cry tr Co owl--and in his opinion 011. 4 1 it to be made an eeample of. Mr. Ststsixa said, that as Witne-is's drunken ness had been taken notice of by Colonel \ creker, he ought either to be punished or his evidence ex punged. If it should appear to he the general wish of the Committee that he should escape with out censure, then he wonld certainly more that his evidence should be erased. Mr. Ila'wens? said, Witness had certainly been drinking—yet he could not be sidled druid( ; he answered tolerably as:II; perhaps as well as many who had csca unnotieed. The Hon. Gentle manr contentlet , therefore, that it wri. beneath the dignity of the House to hike any further notice of it.-01 cry of Co on.) Mr. Sumsett said, that although it might be beneath the dignity of the House to notice this conduct, he should pursue the course he had stated ; he then moved, " That the evidence of William M.Dewall be expungitil." The question was then put from the Chair, amidst a general cry of " Cu on, go on." Sir T. 'lc LiTON l'lpretACti a desire to say a few words, ns the question might be pressed, and the House be compelled to divide. He subscribed to the propriety of Mr. Sumner's remarks, yet con ceived the witness might be excusable. In Courts of Lit the avidel-e of a witnes., although a little intoxicated, was uttended to, at;cl even a verdict given upon it by a Juq. Mr. WM. hlll/14 ApOke of the improper course the Committee were then purattturg. If the Ilms.e should have to determine upon what was the pro per state in which a witness should appear tw give evidence. they would find themselves placed au a very awkward situation. Mr. PERCEVAI. said, perhaps the Witness might have bee t , drunk when summoned. Ile would piu• wise. to meet the ideas of all, that an entry should he made on the minutes, " That W ituess, being in tosiceted, was ordered to withdraw." 7.1 r. D. !howls said, that if what the Right Gentlrmaa proposed were acceded te.and ii.e Witness sum from the ;mr, iN c•niseqoente of Li 4 hsinsj illigAiratel by the motion of a Melateo— rilcre the Hon. ntntleman IGOI trierrrptca ty general laugh./ We then understood. him to ,•isy, that if the evidence were nut expunged, the ea. *titillation of the Witneas ought to be proceeded in. 51r. ScMNNR coincided with the proposition of the CUA%CEI.LoR of the litmus:et:ea, and eciamitt. col to withdraw his motion. Ngr. PEI ctvat then said, the iVitness must either Le called again, or a uote inside in the flutes of *hat had pas sed. Colonel VERZIEFR raid he could net htlp oh. serving upon what had het I tend on the evidence of a drum:en man in Court, of Lay', for if gave evidence Leo Judge t., TLe eountiy would listen to is.—(el toy of •• Co Go an 1") _ _ Mr. F.t.r.tion did not think it hem 4 . 1 ea .!•z -nity oftht liquhe tnie not k whether it wa► right the Cuteouittee aaidd be losing their timer