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1 that he meant to in►tigate and recommend the sp. pinesiinn of brute force to expel Members from that House ; he denied that such ■n inference was fairly deducible from the author's argument. It was true that the writer's opinion was, that the House had 1.0 lost itir character, that instead of supporting itself upon the affections of the people, it was obliged to depend for its maintenance upon coercion-- Lord Carrs.sogaon rose to order, sod said, that if the intention of the lion. Baronet was as ►teo►- e 4 to him, to enter into the nature of the publica tion, he apprehended that such a course could not he allowed now that the House had decided upon its being a libel.—(Hier./--Before they arrived at that decision, it would hove been competent for the Baronet to Imre availed of any part of the pamphlet for the purpose of endeavouring to do do away with the general imputation cast upon it, but he submitted such a coarse could not be ism permitted after the resolution they had agreed to. The only question now was as to the nature of the particular committal to be inflicted upon the au thor.— (Hear, bear.) Mr. BaQUGHiM agreed with the Noble Lord. that it was too late for his Hon. Friend. the worthy Baronet. now to go into the question whether the publication was a libel or nut. If be meant to l have taken that ground, he should have done so before the resolution was carried.—(Hear.)—But still though the House had picmotniced the publi cation a libel, it was yet Niro for any Member when the question of punishment came under con sideration, and that woo now the question, to urge whatever matter he pleased that could be fairly l'onstrlered in mitigation. He must admit the libel and steer between two lines—short o f deny . rag the libel, it was competent for liint to urge ■ray thin 4, mild ►t was certainly open for him also to *hes the notoriety, as well as general impunity with which remarks upon their proceedings had been Imade.—/llear.) Sir P. BllllOE7l' resumed and said, that he would refrain from slow going into a geueral denial of the I•iiel. as the time had passed when he might have regularly I/reined such an argument. Until he it , coveseil the irreAularity, lie intended to hale pressed upon them the example of Ithadaminthus, %loon, though he ponislied first, heard after.—(d 41//git.)—lt was very difficult to speak upon subject* of. this kind, without thinking of the conduct of the Noble Lord oppor ‘ ite (Lurd ens- Cerrogli) on a former occasion.—( Hear, hear.)— tie thought it u very strong ground of exteuu ition 1,) ?thew that others had committed breaches of pri s-leg. without incurring any animadversion from t:••it House. He would read a paragraph► from • :taper which was supposed to have the advantage of tiaverurnrat patronage, mod which contained one of the nisot uojtirt, mischievous, and wifoutided as persions upon the conduct of Gentlemen at that side it the House, he had ever • read. It was far more censorable in its expressions than •sly that could be attributed to Mr. Hubhouse. The worthy Baronet us. about to read a paragraph from The Morning Post of Friday last, which weld, air we understood, 1. , censure, in severe terms. the supporters of Mr. I;emiett's motion for an inquiry into the state of the tisanufacturing districts, when— Mr. WYNN rose and asked. whether it were pos ailite abet the House could be called upon to hear nee breach of its privileges read to justify the com mission of another I—(Hear, hear.)—He must, in she first place, object to the reading of any news raper there—it was dis'lnctly against the order of proceediog laid down for the regulation of the douse, that any such paper could be read, except far site purpose of founding a charge upon its con tent:. The House could not, surely. tolerate for a inoinetit, that after they had found a publication I bellous, they were to be told. and that, too, as it :•re, in mitigation of their sentence, that other per. • in other publications, had been guilty o f the 1.4:e ritrencr.s.—(Hear.)—A newspaper could not, .•rrtaiuly. be read. except to he made use of in • case of breach of priviiege.—(Hear, hear.) Sir F. Buaut.rr said, he was still unconvinced by tie speech of the lion. and Learned Gentle• wan, that lie was travelling out of order in the ob servations he had been making. He thought it a ▪ consideration to urge the impunity of others who committed similar ()fretless, as an extenuation s , , this particular case, where the author might have been acquitted by a notion, that where one was al. lowed to publish another might. He should feel himself' in a great degree excluded from the line of argument lie meant to adopt, if the point of order were acted upon, as it was laid down by the Hon. ai:•t Learned Gentleman. For his own part, he never thought a writing was a breach of privilege, arid haling that opinion, he never did, nor ever wtiiild complain of it us such. For the necessary priclegea of that Howse he would stand up as Srvniy assioy man, for their powers to prevent inter s-options isi their &bates, or to remove impedimenta from the way of prosecuting inquiries, or any ob structions in the exercise of the inquisitorial lune linos vested in them constitutionally--for she• up. plicatioo of their powers to prevent such jattted,- ♦•ents he would!, he repeated, stand up as firmly as any man. 'lre worthy Baronet then ►aid. he would • read what was set loth in The Morning Post re. 'peeling Mr. Bennett and the Members who voted with him.—[The ►t dement alluded to by the wor thy Barrow!. we understand, charged the Opposi ii.oi with eialeuvuoring to delay the progress of the Restrictive Bills. for the purpose of affording the Radicals rid opportunity to mature their plans of isaincretion.) Mr. ILtsKes rose to order, and said, that it was riot competcrit for the Hon. Baronet to read ally t airact. iron the paper, except for the purpose of founding a charge upon it.--(csi.a qf " Chair.") lltiountaam raid, that mu person bowed with l i .inure d.lesence than he did to the opinion of the, moor; Ire knew that when that opinion was given. it was final. and as he could- trot abdicate his tune. wins on a question of privilege, he wished to llirqw out a few observations before the Speaker decided the point. He really thought the objection had been , on the point of order hastily interposed. fu the first place, such an argument as his lion. Friend was *bind to use, had always been admitted in nsitigatiori. So it. was in the case of Reeves. Mr. Pitt in another and the basest care. before the present administration • crane into power.—lie meant that of the publisher of . the True Briton, for refiectious on the bite Lord • hhlville-odid exactly use the aims truest argutuesit in .roitigrition, amid • the man was dismissed with • mere reprimand. But accurtliug to the Has. Mem. .. ,J bees (Mr. litanies) statement of the point of order, it war the Hoo. Member for YorkshireAMr. Stuart Wortly) who should have been interrupted, why's he read an extract from a printed pamphlet, which It id perhops no small influence ou the divi•inti that fol. lowed Its reading. What wits order sit ens owee r som surely order in another, and as the extract Prow -* pamphlet was heard, he was at a loss to see how the, could refuse bearing the extract from the peiwr. Mr.II.IIIIXES repeated his objections in nearly the same winds The .SPEAKSR *sill, that as the House had decided that an offence was com bbb b tea. which amounted to a breach of privilege, seal also that the author of it should be committed, it was too late to argue ngainst the breach of 'privilege. It was equally clear that the time was now open when any matter might be urged to extenuation to lighten the punishment ; it was also clear, that in a speech in extenuation a wide range might be taken. With refereuce to the reading extracts from a pamphlet or a newspaper, lie could tint see the dif. ference.—(Hear.)—But the words, alien quoted, most be used as furnishing e distinct breach of privilege, and with the view of preferring a corn plaint. When the question. whether the publics. thin was a libel or slot ? was open, then the Hon. Baronet might leave urged that stronger words had not been deemed a libel, and therefore that the weaker ought not to be so considered. The course, however, the Hon. Baronet was slow taking was open to two objections—first, that if it applied at all, it was to the preceding stage and not to the present ; nod next, that it did not follow that if the words had been siihmitted iii the preceding stage, they would not be considered as a libel. In trying the fullest latitude of debate, it was still desirable that Members should feel themselves responsible for the strict course they pursued in using it, and not Work injury or injustice where that latitude was allowed for the maintenance of authority and justice. Mr. Worts said, that by nue of the first orders of the House, no member was at liberty to read a printed paper without the permission of the House, and for the purpose of making a c plaint respect ing ils contruts. _ . The SPZAKER said, he had cast no doubt upon that order, which he believed existed exactly as it was stated. All he said was, that he could not draw a line of distinction between one printed pub licatino and another. Mr. STIVART Wowri.Eir said, he hail only used the pamphlet for the sake of his argument, mud lint for the purpose or announcing it to be a libel. The Hon. Baronet', course was different, for his object was to whew that a greater libel bad been published. Sir FRANcis BuRDItTT said, he would not trouble the House further, as he found he could not pursue the course of argument he meant to have adopted. After • few words in explanation from Sir CHAS. ButtitELL, the House divided, when the numbers were— For the original motion for committin: John Calla Hubhuuse, E4q. In Newgate l9B Fur the amendment, committing him to the Ser jeaut at Arms ******* •••• Majority for the committal to Newgste .... 13J The older for the committal to Newgate, was directed to he made out accordingly. Lord NUGENT expressed a wish to know, whether now, theft they had decided on this course, it were possible to modify the order, either by suspending it to admit of the necessary accommodation being provided, or by any other course which would of ford convenience to the individual? The SPEAKER replied in the negative, as New. gate was ordered to remain inserted in the 'notion. SEDITIOUS MEETINGS PREVENTION BI Mr. BsittiLTT presented a Petition front the in habitants of Rochester, against the Bills now pend ing in Parliament for restricting the liberties of the subject. SOUTHWARK PETITION. Mr. CahvinrrOse to present the Petition of the Inhabitants of Southwark, a Lich was signed by 6,000 persons. The Hon. Member declared his cordial concurrence in the sentinieuts expressed the Petition—his abhorrence of the dispersion of the meeting at Manchester, and his conviction that when 50 or 60,000 persons could be so dispersed without resistance, it was quite uknecessary in arm the Government with the measures of coercion which they were now hurrying through Parliament. He recommended the adoption of a different course to alleviate the distresses of the poor ntantifacturers, .sod not charge them indiscriminately wish being radical reformers. He concluded by moving that the Petition he brought up. Sir ROBERT WILSON, in seconding the motion, spoke in the highest terms of the respectability of the persons aho had signed this Petition. Their object was to preserve order, and not to promote anarchy, by which they would become .ienvy suf ferers. The Hon. and Gallant General eulogized in eloquent terms the privileges of the people, and contended for their preservat . He feared, how ever, that Ministers were Preparing a new revolts. tioossy code, calculated to outrage the feelings and dearest rights of society. He also severely unlined. vested on the Libel Bill. sod viewed witli horror the denunciation of death for a violation of one of its provisions. The domiciliary visits in search for arms were also (heedful, and horrible were the outrages perpetrated under them in Ireland, and which he hoped his Hull. Friend (Mr. Hut. chinson) would not detail to the House. It had hitherto been the boast of nit Englishman, that his house was his castle. Lord Chatham had formerly said. " Not that it was surrounded with moats and battlements; it might be a straw built shed—the elenieuts might whistle through it—tbe birds of of* air might make it their habitation—but tile King could nut, the King dare not enter This right of nocturnal search was dreadful, and' exposed the leonine, of their families to every species of outrage. For his part he should never suffer hie family to be aiolestrd by such a wanton intrusion. The Petitioners hoped that the House would re move his Majesty's present Ministers ; if, however, they did .not, and still teposed in them their cope.. depee, then the Petitioners hid still the coneolatioa • left, that in the brave . and gallant spirit of English. . pen they had st , goarantee against the long duration „,eT : these elsains.with which their oppressors would fret and chute and gall them.—(Hear.) The Petition was then brought up, read, laid so the table, and ordered to be printed' MESSAGE FROM THE LORDS. Messenge►s from the Lords brought down the Bill which th►ir Lordships had pass-d, to prevent delay of trial iu cases of misdemeanor.—lt trot trod a first time, mud ordered for a second reading Oil Wednesday next. SEDITIOUS MEETINGS PREVENTION BILL. Lord CAsTLEREAGII .rd Our Order of the Day fur die , th ird reeding of the Seditious Meeting• Pievesition Bill. Lord A. lissituroa rose to lament the necessity . in which hr felt himself placed, of v ~, i , tic fur the prevent measure. He regretted m u c h th a t an thi s occasion he had to &Mr from the friends with whom he had uniformly acted. He ditrered with them from his knowledge of facts respecting the pert of the country with which he war More im mediately connected, and from that ktiowledge was under the painful necessity of supporting this Bill. In doing so, be felt all the objection* that d been urged to the principle of Ilie and all their force aid) reference to the isivssinn of the rights of the subject; but it was notorious alma, of those rights, and the manner in which they were exercised to the destruction of the rights of others, that had rendered the measure . necessary. He goose this cute with regret and rrhiclatice, for lie yielded to no man 111 hit veneratinti fur the cooetitutionicil rights of the people. These rights would. he thought, be upheld by this Bill. Ile, however, regretted its duration loud tint beet' limited to three years; and he begged particularly to guard himself from any supposition, that because lie wooled on the present roc casino with Ministers, his vote implied any assent to their general principles, or (het he had altered one single view lie ever previously held of the impolicy of their measures. With respect to the affair at Manchester, till lie had to say was this, now that all had been said at both sides, that whether that meeting was or was not legally as. ambled, it was clear to I • t had been illegally dispersed.—(flenr.)—He also et gly lanosided the t r ru ba I of the moti o n to inglitre into the state of the manufacturiov, districts, alien it was know,' so notch severe and i l • hog distress existed among the lower cloiontes of the people, %Inch had so strong tendency to excite some of time,,, to set. of oil mull. It was one sourer of regret to those who, like him, were anxious to put down sedition, th a t too accompanying measures we're petit birth to Hilt... %i d l e distress. In fine, lie latnetsted the necessity which compelled hint to vote for the nrrsent mea sure, thou Rh his vote involved no alteration of his views, with reference to the general option lie en tertained of his Map soy's Mionstets.—Wecir.) Mr. C. HuTotiNsum ...lid, that lie regretted Isis Noble Friend on the floor (Lord A. flaisoltiolo) should have considered it to be lots duty to support the present Bill. He load toot the same relitetaisc*, as the Noble Lord had in giving hi: vote this night. It was because lie bud arrived at a perfeccly opposite conclusioto, dist lie had come resolved to oppose the third reading of this trill. lie felt it to be his duty to declare his dissent to this limit, mi d to the whole series of similar measures. He had observed the mode of governing this country acted on for • number of years by the Noble Lord ((:ase. tlereagh) mid his colleague', and it was because he had seen no:hing on their part but a desire of waging war against the liberties of this Conti try and of all c tries; it was because he saw them attempting at !tome what they had filed la effecting abroad, and that they had now d-vosed system of severity 0101 coercion for the United , Kingdom, that 11r .honied it his:duty to hat up his voice against them.—(Hear./ —lt w:s the aline system which had been long pursued tb:t wa s now in operation. Having failed in America, having succeeded in desolating Ireland, having made de clarations over and over to induct the people to support them in their want against France, that they had engaged in it for the purpose of uvrttorning despotism and tyrniony ; now at the end of live years of peace the people found, that insteed itillirring to their promises, they were determined to eheliaits closely all who dared to resist those plans of in.ite patiois mod tyranny on which they load cosistuntly proceeded. But the principle of the measure had been so ably examined by Gentlemen who 100 l be fore expressed their seiatitnents, and probably would be by others who should succeed loin, that lie thought nothing necessary for loin suit this ucca , but to register his opposition to it. Unless the Members of that House, who were hostile to the Noble Lord's views, were prepared to conic haul to hand with him iii resistance, he could assure then, that he would ton certainly establish that syse tam of tyranny which he had long ago framed. Ile believed it was because the ryes of the country were now beginning to tie opened to his de vigils, that the Noble Lord took advantage of the pre sent slight disconteio, occasio tic ol c hi e fly by distress, to introduce measures subversive of the rights and liberties of the nation, and which would etiectoially prevent the expression of public o; l i 000 on.—(liersr.t —He thought the Noble Lord felt no applehros 10011 fbr the general tranquillity from the state of the country, but that dreading the loss of his place, lie had contrived to inspire a false alarm, and raise 0 general panic. No individual was less. interested in, or cared fellA about die question, what set of men numaged the affairs of the country, and were a blank paper to be put into his hand that night, lie should scarcely take the trouble of filling it top with a list : but he really was of opinion dist if the Noble . Lord and his colleagues presided much longer over . the affairs of this country, the people of tt would he driven to madness. l le had risen so early in the debate, for the purpose of stating his deferent's:t un°, should the question for the third reading be corned, to move dirt Ireland should be excepted from its operation. It would he recollected los what almoner the Noble Lord had firm introduced the mention of Ireland in the present Session. Ile had stated that it was perfectly quiet and loyal, and took credit to himself on that account. He said he had known Ireland iu other times to be in a con dition extremely different, and thanked God that it was now entirely changes!, mud completely tran quil. Ou the first night of the Session the Noble Lord had represented the state of Ireland to he one of perfect tranquillity end prosperity ; oat the eecoml night he repeated the etatesient, and said that lie •uly wished to carry the tneaeures so far as to pre - Wire public order, and that soy further exten sion of it would be an injury to the people. The disturbances in the manufacturing districts lied been alluded to 111 the speech from the Throne last Session, and in the speech at the beginning of this Session they had been told from the same source, that they had come to an alarming height, and she statement had been confirmed by the Noble Lord, and by other Hon. Members. These mea sures had accordingly been proposed to meet the alleged state of England ; hut he asked, was not Ireland tranquil ? he had not heard one Member say otherwise. The Noble Lord undoubtedly wished to support hie own measure—the Union. He did not desire to change the condition of Ire. (anal to one of general disaffection and disturb. rucr ; that could not he his ohject ; hut such wesolol be the consequence, he feared, of subjecting her to rig enactments totally trowelled fur by her situation..—(Hear, hear.)—With respect ID the prosperity of Ireland, he must deny that as. sertion; lie tort (141 are that the Noble Lord had barn totally room:ikon and ignorant of the situation of Ireland whtit he motored on such a decharetion. To what was the indebted fur her prosperity ? Was it to her total want wf trade an manufactures ? I le believed • the only flatirishing trade now carried on in Ireland was the costriabsed trade. Was it to rlisentreship? Was it on a naked and starving pea pantry that lie relied in proof of his proposition ? Was it on the davit' arising from religions dis unctions ? The Noble Lord would give the people of that country unqunlitied einatictpation, and he was right ; but he maked him, front what quarter had he derived his intelligence of its prosperity ? In opposition to it, lie could refer to their petition of last year, preying a repenl of that oppressive im post the window-tax. If it were desired to promote coulosion and rebellion to that ill-fated land, the sp. plicetion of this measure would contribute to it wore thou any act which could be devised. Popular meet lugs to effect Parliamentary Reform might he a pre text for carrying the measure here, hut he challenged soy Gentleman to quoit nu instance of one such meeting in Ireland, even to declare its sentiments re specting the atrocities committed at Manchester oil the 16th of August. Ile should he glad to hear from the Noble Lord some resorts why this Dill should be extruded to Ireland.—(Hear.)—lt did not fallow that because sa severe a statute was called Inr in England it should therefore he neces sary in Inland. Ile had two precedents to establish this. The eusieension of the Habeas Corpus Act in 1817, to Great Brionin alone, without including the sister island ; and the suspending the same Act, and introducing military law info Ireland exclu sively in one night ost one occasion sinwe the Union. Perhaps he owed as, apology to the House for ob truding himself rut their attention at so early au, hour. He called on the Irish Members to assist him iii the attainment of his object. If any of them could assign any reason opium him he should be happy to hear it ; but Sine one could, and still they with held their support. thew lie appealed to the Eng lish 111rnibers. Om of the arguments' used for carrying the Union was, that questions relating to Ireland would receive Ili the Imperial Parliament a wore fair and impartial 'tearing than they had re. carved it *out. Here was one, however, the Catho lic Question, though he should not so much call it an Irish es ill imperial osse s in favour of which all the regiments oddest-ed . were constantly found to he. but the majority of voles against it. But it might he said that Gentlemen from Wales, puts of England. mod of Scotland, could not sup port this intended motion without injury to them selves, and with consistency. while they voted for applying the law to all parts of this island. He did not see whys—the question did not touch any .interest of theirs, and they hid pledged themselves at the time of the Union to bestow au impartial at. imam, to the interests of Ireland. Now he total the. Hauer, unit there had toot been time t o receive communications from all parts of Ireland, yet he had that day received intelligence from Dublin, which represented • considerable alarm to hare been produced through the country at the im pudence of Ministers in daring to propose the extension of the 801 l thither. when they had at the stone tame devcribed it to be perfectly tranquil. —(Hear.)-11 . the 'Noble Load was resolved to, go toothier. and pram the Bills for the prevention of Llasphemy, and shrilling amid training, for Ireland, sorksere blasphemy, rod drilling :and training, did out exist, he should appeal from him to the good sense anal liberality of the Members of the (loose. If Minister* woad', lessen the load of taxation, de vise means for cultivating the waste lands. cot out some cloomela by which the capital of this country might flow there. induce some of the absentees to return, and the gentlemen generally to think more of their country and its populat 1111 l , instead of fretting them as shears, and coining here to strengthen their hands, that would be a better me thud to advance the prostwrity and secnre the trans quality of belied. The Right Hots. Member for the University of Dublin had came here. and with great authority (in authority which his talents and learn ing always produced) had pronounced the Mooches tee meeting to be illegal. He sincerely hoped tl:at that that Right Hun. Gentlemen's public chi-: racier would not suffer from the course he had taken ; but he put the Torsion' to him. would be stand up and say, that there was any thing in the eircusessauces of Ireland which called for the oper ation of the law there any thing in any of the new measures which had the least nppliestion to that country ?—was it frosts a principle of revenge that the Irish Member,. Hooted the part they did ? did an Irish Member (Nlr. Plunkett) of very great legal authority, and *evenly others, leave their fit. sullies and cause over here to aid in enslaving Eng. (mid? He moth! *store them that he had left his family, root to assist in such a purpose, but to pro. tect them. The Right Hon. the President of the . Board of Control had made an oration of two hours long (which, by the bye, had nut the least apish esti 111 l to the question) in support of she mea sures. An Irish Secretary hail exerted him. self in favour of that sostent of control and en. ercion in which he find unfortunately been but too well practised at the other side of the water. A great Captain, an Irishman also, for whose trauscendent talents he hart sAriisys felt and expressed the utmost admiration. was prepared to lead ass English army. nut spouse an'enemy. but against the people of England. It was d follow. fug up of the same principle* of governing which had commenced the America', war, .put down all independence of spirit in Ireland, esigagerikn hos tilities to destroy the liberties of Ferrier. sisal now to complete the work attempted in the fifth year of peace, and byleratis of false information to extin guish the liberties of England. Walfituo object to the Noble Lord to keep Ireland riairt ? no rnaunfactures there, her tuanducture, i been taken away—but let him not urge i on ,to madness and desperation. Ile a.ii aware that Scotch Gentlemen might say we li,. allowed this measure to extend to the Nor , ' of Scotland, where diasiteetion does Hot exist, then should you not .permit it to he applied to land ? and Gentlemen from Willa and the tin. disturbed districts of Eogtand might,ure the sam e argument. The !inner was, that there was a tra ttoria and local connexion, arid a similarity of i i ,_ tercet between ill the divisions of this Wand. which might reinter it a matter of prudence to . legialate iii the way for them all. no such connexion existed with Ireland t ,; e u Lett likely that disturbatices in the maiiiifictioriiig der tracts of England would create the same in Ireland.' He hoped the Noble Lord would state what ep o l d e those Irish Members who should vote with hitt• could give to their cnisstituruia On their wino home. It was remarkabl e th at the frill, as at fire r presented to the Goitre, coutsitted no me n t ion Ireland. but that the name of Ikea portion of th n Empire was afterwards added in the Cutomittr e He felt how unequal lie was to dilvneate . the Cans. of Ireland, but he solemnly declared, that vete h, a Grand Juror on his oath, be should not feel hi , n. self justified in saying, that that island shoo'd be placed under the operation of the law: „„ i he was at a loss to know how the Noble Lord could reconcile hinisell to his determination to do so; what more could lie do, if there was a declaration made in the House that that comity : - will in the same state of dt-turhance and dandier lion ais this ? The Hun. Gmitleman then. she qPutettiionimi +rquioru►s, arid, a t a h t:l t lie ld ca w i o n u t o! a g t : li h n o s that in the event or the Bill passing, he should move that Ireland be exempted from its operation. (Hear.) Some confusion here occurred, in consequence of two or three Members rising at the same time. The SIMACER called on - - - Mr. L. F outga. oho argued that the operation of the forswore would aearrely be felt in Ireland, r. ail meetings there were carried on in hooves, lie Intro?, never heard of one ill the open air. hut nee rime years before; and the House had already deter. mine d that the operatiou of the Act should not be Air. PLuxxitre hoped. that the Horne wolf I favour Iron with • few words on the present arc, con. He had already expressed his amitiments plainly on this subject, on a preceding night, dm it was unnecessary he should then enter at length into the sreneral que.tion ; but be had her so directly and personally appealed to by t! Honourable Member, that he could nut babe: , trespassing on their attention for a very few mitinirs. --( Hear.)—He did not know that it was usual call on a Member so pointedly to deliver his *calo mel:to, and he believed he might. consistently a the usages of the House. reject the mall —(Hear) — but he confessed that he was so much of an Irish Member, or of an Irish tarn—(Heor, and • laugh)_ that he would not decline meeting the challenge thrown out by his Hun. Friend. It was l!ia CatiV fion that the Finn. 'Member's observation, that hoped his (Mr. Plunkett's) public character woum not suffer in the eyes of the coutory. inconsequence of the part he bad taken with regard to the present measures, was totally onueeessary and uncelleil for, and that his character was likely to rtut4oiti any attack which might he made upon it by the Hon. Member.--r Hear, Atar.)—The Hon. Mem ber had his line of political opinion —lie (Mr. Plunkett) had his: he believed the Honourable. Member's conduct was generally consistent with his opinions, and lie hoped that his would he tumid per fectly consistent with his own.—(ilear.)—He hm4 on many occasions differed from tote Hon. Nlsisiber. and he never once had occasion to regret it.—(Hear. hear.)—The House had often braid it thrown ill the teeth of certain Gentlemen. that they laid a claim to creinsire loyally; mow he should take leave to soy that the clams of crebtsire parrirtit!a, was quite as arrogant.—(Dear, hear ) —The flow. Gentleman had talked touch of the rights snit prirulege% of the people being taken away I se these measures; he wished tee had corniest:ender/ to h a little More particular, 111111 to 41e-collie what t•glo•• and liberties they were, which wool(' be so •akert away. Fle understood civil liberty to he " petestnt faciendi quirquid per loges lieei"—(Hear,)—and politica! liberty to be the security which the people enjoyed for the possession of civil liberty. Bat from the doctrines which lie heard now avowed. liberty might be defined the power of intruding on and twelesting the enjoyment of those right. gtveq to individuals by the laws.—(Cheers.)The liberty now contended for was a harpy, an obscene bird, which strove to pollute and poison all the ciu uy merits of private life. to tear away all the wub.r Is provided to guarantee public tranquillity. and every restraint which protected religion and inurolity.— haiciv He u h l a g r i l n h g e i s i r , de such c d h ec de lit i m :l a s i t u to a u tio li n e —a l h i o t d u ;I f l o t r could answer to his own cutisciemce no toe present times—(Hear)—for who could ray but that even the lightest species of it might, as things were now circumstanced, be the cause of blood-sdirilding ; but he repeated it, he had heard a great deal saint clout the dangerous &Digo. of Nlinister• on the Coinaitution, and of their intention of governing by military force. The hest proof which could be atforded'lobim of the übseiace of any such designs or intentions, was their application to Parliament for these salutary laws.—(hear. hear, bear.)-11e begged pardon. he perceived he hail been lett fin thee into the general tiorsiion then he had intr.r:- ed.—(Cries of Hear, bear.) —But be did not con sider these measures at sac will, ally one Of the Cciristitutiou, and his rel4lloll for tionkinz so was not founded nom any temporary vie" circumstinices. nor upon the papers tyno t table, nor upon the alarming a!,itealeuta rritrrstr. l in the House ; but he should state hone,tly why n .• had come to that conclualou—it was because i , e thought that public opium,' iu England 11,- dergoite a more essential change within for ,-t . twenty or thirty years than' during any equal duratiou since the Conquest. A (credo'' , inquiry cud discrsaion upon the sweet import'"' subjecte had been excited to a rimier extent lima ever had eitioted before ; ass insanity 01.4rght had been thrown, by means of the,prira, err enel aMa ter which could concern the midi rid ildlirrialhol'. at every thing or circumstance- taireis amid allorcl I