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rlc • 'tsarinas oeenpation ; end he felt the Lest retort) the ""ll• Baronet could have made to that class or peo ple through whose exertion he had made an ample fortune. was to bring their case before the House iii impressive and handsome manner in which he had alluded to the subject to-night. ilr. Putt. Lies denied that the children at ma. sorfaciories were now treated so as to receive en i.lury in their health; he was fully convinced they were in every respect as well treated as those placed in other occupatious. As to the descrip. given of the appearance of the boys employed cotton manufactories, being peculiaily discern s'ile for ill health. all be could say etas, that he issid guise to a public school where children were placed. helonging to inauufactories in different trades. He was there Aeon. among others, three young persons—one a boy, who was deed:bed as lievisig a lameness from the severity Of his treat ment at a factory; another, I young woman, in very delicate health; and a boy with his head hoists(' up. Now. as to the first, be found on ',dupl. nation that the boy had IA both his legs broken liy being rode over by some dragoons whom he was looking at; the girl had always been its a deli cate state al health, and was actually sent to factory on that account ; and the third had his head hurt by a beating he received from his father: and yet all the ititee - catuitities were attributed to work ing iii the factories. Ile called on the Master of the school to point out to him the children not em ployed so the cotton trade, and these !reify appeared iu a worse condition than the others, winch the miss ter said Might arise from their not being well fbd. If the factories produced the ill effects that were complained of, their he was ready to admit the House should Warne ; but the effectual tray of interferisig would be by tending down a special commiss.on, to make due inquiry throughout the country, trod then to report their observations to the House. The Hon. Baronet opposite (Sir R. Peel) had talked of the abuses which lie said ex isted; it was true that Isis own (Sir Robert's) fac tories had been so ill regulated that the Magistrates were obliged to remonstrate and eveu then no adequate remedy was applied, though Le might Uwe effectually controled them as other men did. It was not the Bill which altered and improved the system, but the example set by other manufactories throughout site country. Mr. Wk. Swum rose to order, and thought his worthy Friend was waking ass attack on an indivi duel which no stage of the proceedings, eveu if • Bill were before the House, would warrant.— (hear. Mr. Put Lure thought that if he were disorderly, those who preceded him, and whose arguments he was now answering, must have been equally lA.- 1 Heer.)—He concluded by repeating. that if an issquir7 were necessary, it ought tb be by a special conurnesson. Sir Ittinsac Pl= said, that he did not wish to interrupt the Hon. Geutlensan daring his speeds although he conceived lie was travelling out of the question to snake a statement effecting his diame ter. When lie discovered the prevalence of abuses in Isis own factories, which were too extensive to he *ll tinder his own eye, lie saw on way more likely to be effectively operative than a legislative enactment, and to that he resorted. This was the only way of relieving the poor people, and he was convinced it effected t h e alteration alluded to, and would con• tinue to do so, so long as the labour was not infring ed upon by whet were called free labourers or p loiters. Mr. Doust.as thought the children were care fully attended to. If, however, abuses existed. a sinewl consusission would be the best course to adopt. Mr. W. SMITH would• say but little until the subject came in another shape before the House. He wished at present to have the Petition read ; lie bad examined tl.e ;remiss who brought it to town, and usoleistood from tisane, that it emanated from the spontaneous desire of the parties themselves, who were disippainted at nothing being done for them during the last two Sessions. The Petition had the signatures of 6,000 persons. all of them employed Hi the cotton factories, and of i 6 years of age and upwards. There were from 20 to 30,000 children employed in this bretscli, and of there 7 or 8,000 were 16 years of ages. so list the peti tioners gamy Ise fairly said to represent the whole b oi l ) . They were also aware that the consequence of a compliance with their application would be a reduction of wages, mad still they sought ler the new regulations. Mr. Sinew bant testimony to the good treatment of the children at the Manchester factories, parti cularly at that of the Hop. Gentleman opposite (Mr. Phillips.) In the cause of hunninity he would yield to no man, bet when he saw the children con tented 81111 satisfied with their treatment, he did not like to sutler lisusself to be hurried away by the statement of grievances. Before any thing was dime, he thought the subject ought to be well weighed, and the fullest personal exsssiaatioo or dered. The Petition was then laid on the table. • • : • . 4 PETITION RELATIVE TO THE ALLEGED DIS- T!! It RA WES AT AFANCNIDITER. Mr. Putt.t.tra eve Puttee, that on Thursday next he nould move t• have the Petition he pre (sewed lust night from Atestalmmeler, titres/ad to • Committee.-- Haw, haw./ CLIMBING BOYS. Mr. BLNNFTT i.tewnted a Petition from the calay of Dothan', agssMit the use of chtubiog REFORM. The !Inn. Gelltiellolll Niilo presented • Petition fiat' rertiglit prisons at LlVerionoi, for annual PON Ihnnents, anti an extension of the e l e cti ve h imix i iive „ IRISH GRAND JURY RILL A 14virtaire trusts the Lords sunoieueed their doseut to the Irish Grand Jury Auteisd sustuf SCOTLAND. maker promised 'Ails in-Si:nil:end, land most the motion of feel, •nd hope the feeling, that the snob. .e ins ever was soh- Pair!lament, or on . card to roimnlos, untwisted opinion.— 11 41 lb 1 . It tb el sb C is lb tl re it c, C' tl it U a 111 tl le ir 't al q' tr in - - re ti et - I ft e t ▪ ► lb tai tr el Mi ri ti - ti cl 1. - I ST.),T6 TalA.I.B IN UV Lord. A. kiAilivrom f...ir to no nii,ums irkattvt to Ilse Skate Trials iiroceedgil as follows :-- 1 ` in brine% before Ilse Finis which I hove glens notice, I fel I ) 1 Ilini-e will concur with me iii fee 3 ject is one of SO great imisentsince ,-il to the consideration of F 4thicli oil Crislirmais Wils. ever c loins, sod iir.itsouner, los anti 1 . 1 114' \ . .. .., ... lbar.)--rneed scarcely remind the Me* of the importance or the 'object, when I slate. Ono it . re-.. fere to the coutkiet of the Lew °Moos in bent- II hood in the misessgenteist of a grave politic prime cution in the High Court of Justiciary. It relate* to a c.. , se of the utmost magnitude to the people. .The mention of the nature of the subject. may, pro. baps create a prejudice against it wliesiliart.lnced by such * person vs 1 am. it may be that, bring somewhat of al low question, it ought to be intro duced by a professional nom. I, for our, should have been sorry to see it in the lentils of a wo r e *. Biotin{ prison, lest the gnrstinu Stupid(' be narrowed into grounds merely technical inirtprofes.imial.— ( Hear. hear.) —I courtlier the ease to be rather our of plain cununon se.me, asldtiT eomtoon justice. and ii gig it may have fallen into better hands, trust that my fetid- advocacy will not deprive it of the justice to which it is esasiorntly entitled.-- 1 hope on that score it will suffer DO defect. I beg at the outset to exploit) most utwquivocally. that my object is not to call on the House to do that which is seldom or ever Jour—to interfere in the proceedings of Courts of Justice; these are what I know the House almost invariably refuers to teach. I big leave to state, that 1 mean to call upon you to do no such thing; but I do ask of you to take cognisance of a gross injustice cossintted 'on the eubstaistsil justice of the country. in • ease which. in my opinion, involves something near a charge of subornation of perjury on 'tire tint of the Law Officers of the Crown.—( f /ear, hear.) The care to which I allude is a eimple one. and does slot branch out into the whole subject Of the late State Trial. in Scotland, though my motion will be for a record of these proceeding.; and in calling for it I shall have little or nothing to sub mit sure what will be found in that record. I shall call upon the Luw Officers of the Crown for their own record, and I shall convict them on thetr own evidence, as on the face of that record. This sub ject naturally lead. me to a short retrospect of what passed in this !lonise last Session on the state of Scotland. It was then sold by the Lord Ad vocate, that the population of Glasgow, in parti cular, were so contaminated, that treason end se dition had been traced to 3 or 400,000 persons, and that they were leagued together by a desperate oath, which he, though it was rather uncalled for, introduced to spool the House. Ido not mean to say, that at that period there were not perhapssonie seditious or disaffected personecontemplatime pub lic disturbance; but we cannot avoid looking at the contrast fltrnislied between the Lord Advo cefe's statement, and his subsequent attempt to substantiate this sedition by legal proof.—( Hew.) —From this it appeared, that his statement was most exaggerated, if not slanderous. If in din. tnrbed time. any Otte duty more than another de- Volves on a public prosecutor. it is. that the ac cused shall have justice done upon them by a fair, just, end impartial trial. My complaint is, that the parties in Seotlimil had not a fair, just, and impartial trial.—( Hear, hear, hear.)—lo my pre sent proceeding, I big, however, to disdains all concern as to the fact of the guilt or intio educe of the accused—either is alike indifferent in my view of the case. Whether the party be guilty or not, hoursit or not, he is equally entitled so tin opts' and impartial trial.—( Hear.)—l complain that the Lord Advocate, before the trial, did detail so exaggerated • statement or the facts he was afterwards to try, alto entail an influence and bias on the country at barge, Intl on the minds of all men who were likely to become jurors on the occarlimi.— It is impossible not to complain of such a pro ceeding, or of that system which Government, fur the last few months past, have established, of intro ducing characters into private societies and convi vial meetings, to eke riot crimitial charges against particular individuals..—(Heor. bear.)-7 his has, its my mind, led to incalculable mischief, and pro duced, by slander and misrepreseistatioe, a total error as to the feelings iota opinions of a great mss jority of the country.—( Hear )—Wlato I set out a ith stating, that I slid not hesitate to say that subor nation of perjury Intel bees. committed in Scotland; was aware that I had e right to be called upon to support my assertion by proof, and in adducing this proof, I should he extremely sorry if any word should escape me that may be deemed personally offensive to the Law Officers connected with the case. I assure them that I 131 ell II to speak of their public acts, and not of their personal characters.— Heor.)—To them I can have no other sort of hostility th an tiro which any Than has a right to exercise against public officers; and I think I shell be unfairly dealt by, if adventage shall he token of any casual expression I may use, instead of nieet tug me on fair and opesi grounds. It is neces sary that I shall state, fur the information of Gen tlemen not accurately versed in the forms of Scotch law, and proceedings of trials in Scotland, the mode adopted respecting sittiessee, lest it should he somicord that when I speak of toilsome tion of perjury, I mean to insinuate that the Law Officers of the Crown iii Scotland hat endeavoured to influence, or influenced any winless to give per jured tvideme. I do not meals to cost any such Insinuation upon them. The practice in Scotland is very different from that of Eligland, in the progress of criminal trials—for in Scotland they are coat: silenced by putting out the record the deposition of the wit fur the prosecution. Prior to the exa mination of any witness on a trial. au oath of 111.1 f pinto, is tohninistered to him. and he is invariably inked the dote following question, Have you any malice or ill will aganist the Passel et the Bar ?' if he replies, s Yes,' still it is a question for the Court to sly whether the malice he of that description which qualities the party from being a witness nil this trial. The Sti:01111 question put is, Iles any body taught you or instructed you what to say as on the trial ?' . By this it is out meant instructed the witneel what to say. either true or false, but to say any thing at all —( Hear, heur.)— If he were desired to say any thing. the Court would, I apprehend, say he was disqualified being a willies& in the cause ; it is, therefore, I imy, th a t the witness brought forward by the CfOssfil was disqualified, and of that I now complaint. The third question is, • !lave you in any way received a reward. or been promised a reward, to give evi dence tin this trial ?' Here agnin it is meow, tint evidetive tine or false, but troy esidence ut sill— (f/ear)—aoll if any such promise is held out, lie Is disqualified. I now proceed to the evidence. a -1 fered to the Court, a uln. I contend; makes ant any case. On the trial of Andrew the Crown produced joint Campbell ma witness. The s Counsel toe the Prisoner. I beg Nall° dale. storied prelimisisry objection.. by sissies ilia they had . had iso access to the Panne!. The Court suit', diet" they should time upprieri for Averisms the Lord A dt celeste. when the latter said, • It was lily dilly to prevent access In the Paimel. for fear he .host( he timipered with.'—( Load crier of Hear. fro* the Opposition Benekes.)—Now. what I coesipliiiis of is. I that the evidence of this John Campbell, Irons the moment he was in possersimi of the Law Officers of the Crown up toiler time of the trust, exhibited one ' comisturil system of gross and psilistible tampering. --(Load cries of Hear, itear.)--The Lord Ailvcr cafe would ullow no tampering on the side of the lint the reverse was the case with the wit tier* fur the Crowu, who was tampered with to excess.—(llear.)—The three queettwits were, us usu.il, put to the witness, Campell. when hr came to give his evidence ; and on his sower to the third I ground my present motion. hi his answer to the third he Mid ' that when takeu to Glasgow gaol he was question ed in the presence of the gaoler, the Sheriff, the Procurator-Fiscal, sad the Solicitor- General (of . the town). One said to him, John, you don't know that I know so much about you us I do. I have six Men who will swear you took the oath. You'll do no good by concealiug the fact ; but if you don't persist in your denial, and take the other you'll do yourself good.' Salmon, hr admitted, further said to him, that the Lord Advocate was then in Glasgoar..end would be under env obligation to - the witness if he spoke out. 1 believe this is a mistake respecting the Lord. Ad roaster's being theft in Glasgow•:.•he must have beret confounded for the Ailvocate-Depute. After tins period the witness was. removed toadisibisrgli, and there a new scene commenced. rnr. Home Drum mond then visited him, and told him his name was on the list of the seditious persons, col that lIOW was the time for lam to determine whether he would be • witness or not. What was this but holding out an inducement to halt to be come a witness ?—(Hear.)—Campbell replied to this application, that if lie turned witnesi lie could never be able to go back acid live ut Glasgow ; whets Mr. H. Drummond said, that he had thought ore plan for him, and would write to Lord Sidintnith to get him into the Excise in a different part of the empire. Campbell, it seems, did not then decide ; but was not this holding out it reward, and actually specifying that reward ?—(Herse.).- 1 41t a subse queist visit Mr. Drummond said to him, 4 If you give such information as will please the Lord Advo. Bate (mark, please the Lord Advocate), you will neither be tried yourself, nor called as a witness.' Wasruch amen lit to beafterwards called us a witness? I sin not enabled to say whether Mr. H. Drum mond acted wills the privity of the Lord Advocate throughout the whole of this unjust and unfair tampering; but they have acted, or at least appear to have acted, so Glitch 111 concert, that I am nimble to proceed without connecting them both together in the business. Perhaps the Lord Advocate would say, "rrue, Mr. H. Drummond did this— true. he tampered with the witness ; bat what have 1 to do with that ? 1 knew nothing about it, nor ever authorised such a proceeding.' lo this I can only answer, that in such au event. my übservotious must fall upon the guilty person. At another ia terview Mr. H. Drummond sail to him, • I don't know what to do with you—l wish to do all I can to save you.' Again—' This is the last tome, Campbell. I cats speak to you ; you must how de termine whether you will be a witness or esot.•— Campbell then said. ' Have yon written to Lord Sidmouth ?' Mr. H. Drummond replied, No, I have not ; you know you would not decide. and that prevented me—you rejected.' Campbell then said, that lie should like to leave the country, but that being a mechanic, lie knew the law would not allow him to emigrate. Mt. H. Drusnmond, its reply to this, said, There is no question but you will get a pamper% and money to carry you WV Campbell then agreed to be a witness, if his wife was also provided for. Something was then done about markii:g a pound note, mid sending it to her. Was this tampering, or was it not ? and how could this oaten be • witness and take the purgation oohs without committing perjury ?--( Hear s hear.) — Sir Wm. Buy, the High Sheriff, also came to ex. amine Campbell, mid heard what occurred relative to the promise of the passport. The Solicitor- General's Clerk wrote duwu the terms, as a sort of security to the witness that They were to be even tually complied with. Sir Wm. Ray thru inter fered, awl said, • I won't sign this paper—as its Officer of the Crown, it is my duty to see justice done.'—(Loard crier of they, hear.)-- He then assured Campbell that if he signed the is per, he (Sir William) would not answer for it fur a great deal; for if, when called, he took the Purga tion Oath, he would be guilty of perjury. The whole of the other parties present were ready to sign the paper, but the interposition of the Sheriff kinicktil this in the head. This, Sir, is my case.—(Hear.) I have little to ray hat what the record of the tine! contains, and I call for the retord to prove my case. It must be obvious that though the paper was not sigma, it was still a constituted agreement (pored the witness, and disqualified him on the trial. must also state, that when it was (mind 11w paper could not hr signed. Mr. H. Drummond said to Campbell, • You know whether you can be a wit ness or not ; you know what you have to expect ; can you rely on it without its being set clown in writing ?' This was saying, in other words, trust us, and every thing shall be done for you. taint). bell then said he was willing : Mr. Drummond re joined, • Can I rely on you ?' the Winer paid, • Yes'—'‘V ell. then, I will rely on you as Gentle men !"flie Procunitm-Fiscal mid Clerk had the uarrative signed, awl the Sheriff-Depute observed to Campbell, that he had better go back to Isis loom and leave the nation to manage 'for itself. It would appear also, that Campbell wrote to Mr. 11. Drum mond for shoes and trowsens, and money. The shoes and trowsers were sent to lam, but he was told lie was not to expect money until the first trial was over. Was this or was it not a promise ?---f Hear) Cansplwll further deposed, that the Sheriff-Depute told Inns Isis life was in (Luger. He admitted that he did not believe this, though he certainly disliked going back to Glasgow again. " I have now. I trust, stated enough to chew that a promise of reward wits held out to Campbell fur his rink-pre—( Hear. hear,)—that from the time he wits first seat to gaol to the moment lie was uttered as a evilness, lit was itivuriably miller the 'fit '. , ~~ , % t tiole eanleol of the Law Mitts of tie Crown. who ease throughout the whole peristi eltiployrl itt - dialog that which they trete tirtersiliwed there ,119 t rd be tor opport sty of doing fur the itecupetl. bear.)-1 mums here refrain from roods% the words used by an then end Leawood Graitlessiast opposite (the Attorney-General), me late neension. and which I think pectstintly apply to the pretent case. • God Ito said the Ilon. and Leeriird Geittleannis, • that I, or any holy fur eisendel have Nosy cora twetton with a teet hes* about to be produced Iry toe on be (Hear, hear.j—l hope, therefore, II have his leelebelitere for nssidenixnrtj the conthset pursued by the Low Officers in Studded. Gover ttttt rot have now avowed the employment of spirt seal informers. I They know (for it is admitted in evidence.) t hut they fomented the mischief they were intended to prevent. 1 I Spies and iisformere were, from their very nature, the twat and bane of society. 'Theme churireters de mooted us they thought proper any IltdllldUNl ill society ; he was was arrested by it secret warrant from the Secretory of State, carried to a secret, [seamier a dimwit prison. If under suer circuits stances, and Magistrates tampered with in the lei.- romance of their duty, and evidence concocted to so aesadalona x mossier as this. 1 ask what chance con ally individual have of a heir trial, or any thing like n fair trial fur Iris life ?—(lieur, bear.)—lt is ass outrage upon, and a violation of every 'wit 4.f our venerated Cunstitutiou, Nod as ilifractiou of its moat sacred privilege.—( Hear, bear.)—l get out with 'saying, that L could prove suborsiatein of perjury-1 can describe there proceedings by ito other name.--(Hear. hear, hear.)---f 1 the Panned were convicted oil the evidence of Campbell, and the sentence tarried into off-et, 1 will ask, would nut the cotiviction Imre been eifecied -by a tatupered witness. procured to give agreeable evidence (for agreeable was die word used) fur the Low Officers of the Crown, who should have ateii justice done the Prisoner ?—(l/ear, bear.)—I f the man had been executed, us avaii intended ill the recut of the first conviction, Ma that it areeer4llll came out the conviction ass obtained through the ogencrof Mr. H. Drummond, in what it sstuati tttt would not the Lord Advocate feel himself? All tins hose business would have been kept !secret, if Campbell had kept his Counsel. Good God ! Sir, can any Oho; be so gross as this proceeeding ? Can any thing be so gross as to put a criminal at the Isar, and for what ? • For endeavouring to overturn our laws, and bring into contempt the Gorernmeni and the Constitution (if the coserstry.'—f Heur.)—Who brotight the laws into contempt? Was it Andrew M'ltitilay, or the Law Officers of the Crown ? (Hear, (Hear, bear.)—What ought to be the character and conduct of the Law Officers of the Crasara ? ought they not to support mill sustain the dignity of die justice of the land ? But, in till' case. they nut rather violate its sanctity and purity quite us notch as M‘Kirilay. Ilml more palpably if they hail fully proved the extent of his crime? " 1 have only one or two observations to mike on the evidence at the trial. 1 ask for its rectiiii, and for this reason—because the Loiii A tha,c,ae cunnot surely refuse to comply with my teem, fur it only asks for that which is of rlii•lr 0011 nsa— nufactore. 'Flue evidence is theirs. mid theirs usily, front beginning to end. Indeed, I tamiot outer. pate any objection or defence that can he set up on this occasims ; and mikes such can be made, what object can there be to the motion? 'the charge of tampering, is openly made out lay Sir William Ray, who might, if what Campbell stated was un true, have been called up to 41)1dr:uteri biro. I cainiot conclude without marlin:: on extract from flume, on the Purgation Oaths. Ile sins, ' As to the reaaril or promise of reward, if the prosecutor, or any body for hill,, ilrellirts a witnesa by is lode, or in any other manlier, this shall exclude lion from being remounted, even whether the witness shall Meld toot. resist (lie applicutiou.' 11e further says, 'lf a Alit gistiate sherd so far forget Isis duty. mad mistake hi, power, as to noel fere in any manlier with a witness, he is guilty of a wrong that retinae* him to an, ire dictuble offence.'—l have now, Sir, done; and I have to thank the House for the hslletrt attention it lies given me. Ply motion ii— " That their he kid before ibis Howse ropier of sorb 'lints (date Books end Retards of the High Court of Justiciary in ecuttarui, as relate to the several Lilll , ls end Charges laid against Andrew APKisilay, on the (Bth Jul), 1917, together with the Weibel end use hiang tletreuf." Noble Lord sat dowu amid loud and con t. d cries of " Hear I" The LORD ADVOCATE—se Mr. Speaker, lam glad of this opportunity of repelling the charges that have been thrown out stgainst the c [actors of the state trials in Scotland. and I feel particularly happy iu adverting to the statement the Noble mold has accused me of making last .cayman iii tins House. The Noble Lord has done me the justice to make that statement of mine correctly. I did ..tote to the House that many hundred iliousands iu the vicinity Of Glasgow. and elsewhere, had takeu au with, binding themselves to the most dangerous anti destructive objects: and as ■ Secret Coo •t -ire had been lint a short time before appointed to inquire ono the state of the country, I did con ceive I would nut • perform my dot) at it member of this Iliteise, if, possessing information, as I did, of an lilt tall tint oattire, I hail Hat criminatiscatid it. I wilt tot enter into all the details of the trial, but just state the charge against the Prisoner. — The indictment against was for admi t:Uttering nit oath to many hundred thousand per sons, particularising smite of the males. The ver dict brought iii was, not proreu. I appeal for what I am going to say, to luau)• Gentlemen iu tins House, who understand the law of Scotland, and the (111 , 141414 ms there allowed between different verdicts. They will correct me if I err in lay ing down that distinction thus :—\l•lteu the Jury are satisfied evidence has been adduced sufficient to establish the existence of the cor pus delicli, but not to sliew that the Prisoner is implicated, they find a verdict of not proven; but when there is a want of evidence to establish► the corpus deliebi. they titid u Ver/bet of not guilty. In this case the verdict was not proveu— the result, therefore, in law and reason, of the trial is. that the fact alleged in the indictment, of many I Ired thousand pe.ramis having taken u treasonable oath, has been established.—(lleur, hear.)--I call Nom Gentlemen to contradict site, when I assert that the event of this trial was to substantiate my drelanitions in this House. I log leave, moreover, to state. that the Noble Lyra was incorrectly informed with respect to the •>.p,,Z.->. %, short hand-writer. Ulieqsllitetell with either party, boor which it appears, that it was admitted in Court, that when prisoners are coolititil iu the CaStle of Edinburgh. certain officers may extra-judicially grant uelMission to their friend., and this is taken from the rerun! ; so that the modeler ertoerverf with regard to Campbell did not justify the charge; Of the Noble Lord. The Noble Lord seys, that the Attorney-General could not legally huha cotnrour. socation with primmer' before their trial. 1 cannot answer for the law of England ; but I kuow that what the r om L u e d ir . el duties :I t l i T e lOl A llte ise ly L i e lC: Greieral iit Farglatol and the King's Advocate in Scotland are in mane respects different. The Int ter is nut mile a Law Officer but a Police Ma ' gistrate; and this irises; from the vrettent state of Scotland being nu longer an indepeorlent king thorn. The Kong's Advocate ix there called upon by the Magistrates, iu numerous instuticre, ion only for advice, but actual and effective service and astiat once io their labours. On every great emergency, on every occasion of public danger, ilowit from the time of the lievolution, the King's Advocate fur the time bring is the person looked to hy the Gut erisnietit of this country for information of whit is teeing lit this entilary the Attorney-Gelterel is not to do any thief{ of the kind ; he veinier! .ettonot to ob tain itiltirointioit on public affrirs without turreted'. log oil the fonctiotire of the Secretory of State ; but in Scotland the Advocate is betted to every measure competent to the Secretaty of State :;.ere. Precogoitious are begot§ tither at his irataace or that of the Procurator-General. If there is any error or informality in tires'', 1;e is boalid to :anew; them—and if the Noble Lord will look info the ks on the subject, Ile will find that this leami pie lies loeti acted gm by officers in the stiiiirgk st elearree attached to the flamer of flatiorcr. 114 1738, Lord President Follies and Mr. Dundee iis slanted trials uliati depri•ilmiitt take:( before therm or gaol. There ore Imlay sof this kiwi not given in tier hulk', and particularly nor of a person titre! for tobleitig the mail, iu tvbieli instance the eerie be of the King's Counsel ii ilirsr to have gone tli the gaol for tier purpose described. l'ltere is ;lot finite extrartidiaary is; the Noble Lord's saying, that the precogoitione should be regolaily combo:teal; that they should be ample ;old stilli..ievt before any ling on trial. I say I his is nothing extmordinary. for the conductors of the poreecotron are huble damages in eases where this is not donee This wile. detertuitied in the case of Lord Advocate Doodae, who was compelled to lay his infortnetions end' evidence on the table for the betietit of the ;ac cused, and to ritecoier whether they would furnish it .r I eat's+, of action. Ever since that lime, tlit• l " )flicer ie held petsonally liable for not iirj toy done this way to persons accused. Ido not eepirrito myself from Drummond—l am the person respou stide—he was (oily on ngent. I regretted exceed iii ly be obliged to make a Gentleman of foe ratik tint Al(11111"elgelltS hold any couveisation W,l;e I Person. of that mot. 'lle prisoners were appre hended by the Sheriff- Devote and 11l '('V siatatits. They abated, one trod all, o at they knew, and it eppeared to tile sufficient to found a prosecution tat against 3'l'li:id:iv. If I have been - citived, he is entitled to his acting against me. TbLy Hpirintrt:cofcttrrieittifotro ( o1,4 7; 1?::1 1 4 1 : )ti his nor o l tt c‘l'° "li l'esirrealAifir.l:7[l. i 1 r . ttl l ; - 1 - mond to go to Imo, end, if lie aerated to posses s such itiforination, to du o s Lim a coodutoital promise: purriou. Ile had an authority to offer tine situa tion to induce hint to g -ve sevidence—atel, on his 'tart, I dedy that elich promise was ilea t h et whole conversatio n that took place is detailed in the itiformations. lii 'rati n g t';et coaveisation that did take place, I am perfectly aware that I tiny making a statenitait of a gnu teuiuiii out on oath, eigaiiist that of eauther on his trisl; hitt miles' dile last WIIIIPPS . I.PtIittIiCV IS Colltdp , riittil. Ili t unme exceptione mgjor. Campbell certamly a! lainrd oh_ jeer. thy Pia iiiformution—it intl.:lit save his life, ant! enalile hirn to go abroad. But I do not ask the Illon.e to rely on his evidence ; he is liable to suspicion eui other grounds. A week helot e the !limit, two friends of time Learned Gentleman opposite were armpiaisiteill with the evidence lie was to give, and 31 , ..leffery told them lie would prove is corroboration of Campbell's et islenv! step by step. I wish so ask whether Cason- Ims II was dismissed without a reward ? (liner, hear. film h e Minharrial Benches.)—The statement et' Mr. Drunimoial is, that the Prisoner represeisteti himself to be in the greatest tenor for his life, if lie should give information. Afterwards Mr. Di wo wing!, not of his own movement, but sent for, and n visit from the gaoler, went to Campbell. Caw-. bell !imposed, on condition of alitainin g a 1 .,- port for the Continent, to give both iimformations stud evidence. Before this lint is nom*, had. there Ikea of evidence. slr. I)rutormaid said, lie could make no promise withust acqnsioting lIIP ; nod after his coming to me, mid ray consult ing with other Lmiw Officers, I did cotietude that I was bound to protect him in the only way that lie conceived possible, and directed atr. I). to iirimk.e him it promise of a passport, and what was firers sary to make it *wadable. On the sitar occasion Mr. I)ruminond told me Campbell wastroder great appioliesisions about his wife, who was /dawn,, tool requested money to send fur her. Mr. Drunimoid refused. A letter was written to toe ; I replied tats UP to money, it would never be given--it caold nut . be alone. however, I did what I considered tin tiVl silty required, to alleviate the miseries el cooline meta ; I haul his wife brought to Edinburgh, wed a place publicly taken for her by the Nlag water. Now, Sir, the prisons who made ilmis Immo ntise did nothing wrong or illegal ; for them, in stead of sending for the Shetiff, the She:ill:4)r pute, and Procurator-Fiscal, the lit tinw.e have been made in secret. If their was ary ilb gality, is it conceivable that they would have called on these Magistrates to record the ibtettot‘e Whet' the Sheriff-Depute sat down to take the dm posit:om.a. of the Prisoner, Mr. imsked, have yon to say ?' The him-oiler rephail, ' Suppos ing I was coucerned, and told the a hole math, L could not be Rafe in time country—wit bout is pass,. port for the. Continent, I could not be a witcess.!' The Sheriff'. Substitute stated, in amount, that* the Primmer should have a pus-port. The Slmerift afterwards came iuto the room, and the Smmtta citor-General said to the Prisoner, • You know all )ovi are to expect.' It is alleged .the Si rt tf observed, ' 1 will not sign this paper, far sigp- 1