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THE CATHOLIC QUESTION. rateente OF lIR. PONSON SY'S SlS'teell, DILITIMED IN TIM ItutlSC of collitoNS, on FRIDAY LAST, ON Ma. GRATTASI'a MOTION thaP/MTING Tug CATHOLIC CLAIMS.] Mr. PONSONDIr—" 1 nape, es a Right Iloaottr able Gent!email (Mr. Ryder) has calleJ upon me to give some account of env conduct and proceed ing. in this House, on a firmer occasion, that the Route will have the goudiires to hear, patiently, what would, under inner circumstances, be little - deserving of notice, namely, my own conduct.— The Right Han. Gentleinati has said, I stated to the House, that the accrethied ugent of the Crtho- . Ile Bishops of Ireland had authorised me to make • proposal to this 11.. use, iu their moues. Now, the Right lion. t:entleinatt is perfectly incorrect in that 'detriment. I sever oast , d ray such thing. I VOA, I had every reason to believe, that the Ca tholic Bishopsouil Clergy of Ireland, and Catholics, generally, were dieposed to give to the Crown an effectual negative to the nomination ally: Bishops, if, ea return for that, the House would be disposed to give•te the Catholics of Ireland the lull privi leges and benefits of the Constitution ; and when I was asked for my authority, by the lion. Member for Cambridgeshire (Mr. Yorke), it will be remem bered, I aaswered, that my authority was l)v. Milner; and now I %ill state to the House what were the t ouchers in my powtessiou, which enabled and audios ised me to give that answer. The Riteit I latmor..ble Gentleineti soya, that, w;seu the Ca thulic Chilli's have Owen enforced, I have sleeps remained elent ; awl lie wonders that I should bate The Right Hon Gentleman's wonder wall never be a motive of e lust with me. Ile ns iy wonder if he pleases ; bat I shall regulate my coodect in such a menne , , as that the Dune shall tlitrik it not unworthy its approliatioti. I did net, upon what was called the first question. t k it necessary or fitting to week. I thought it more piper to imerve what I had to say, till the diecite. idol& cattle Fully before the House; algid I was dis posed to bear easy load of calumny. until the fit and proper occasion flotilla occur, of expresaing toy eentituents. iso g been, fur a great many years of my life, • sincere and uniform supporter of the Catholic CL1411.4. shell Lord Fitignl came over, two years ago. the mole delegate of the Catholics of Ireland, he was phased to cuter into Moen cad& deuti4i conversation a me. I told him, that I had oth.eree.i, m a!I the interc•Nrtie I bad had elm others upon this important @slake, that nothlag weighed su much, and seemed to hive saris an ewe. anon upon the minds of the Gentlemen of this coutitty. as 'lie Lotion, that the Catholics of Ire land were nntler t comma, agd under the jons diction of a narc;gti nation ; •usl I slated, drat I understood some co ettiunicsiins had formerly taken place between t e Catholic Bishops and the Catholic Clergy am the , occasion, hut that I did te t kw". woe' it was; for the Noble Lord, ou the other side of Cie House (Lord Castlereagh) is aware, th it to administration 110 man wits more ri:spo,ed thin myself; and, therefore, what was r • hi. atlinMistration, was less likely to be kilitwil to use. Lord Finest said, he thought PO ton; but, he vital, he believed doer would not he nan: - h %illy upon the puller, t for that. ie I;;Io, the Catholic Bishop. had mule • pro. pawl to the 1114 i Governtaent, awl that they now entertained the same opinion they then entertained. I asked Lord Finest, If I had perm:ssion to state such propoml at the pre sent time Ile said certatilly ; but he added that the List) Bonnys hail in this country one of the Catholic Illi.hops who was their agent, and that I had hem ,. sin e and he was unknown to me, but that if Lord Fingal would introduce him to me I should he glad to have some conversation with ilty or two after I received • Dote from Lind Fitiel, Moline that Dr. Milner was in %Far wiekehire and would write to me.—Sonse time pieepel, 'tad before the !LI of May. Lord Fingal wrote to say, that Dr. Milner wits in London, and that he and Dr. Milner would wait upon me the next day. My answer to hie letter up !minted the particular time. and accoodingly the next day they came to me—the convenritiou lasted some hours--;wo or three hoersat least; there was a great deal ef eouversation relating to the CM tholies, but particularly with regard to the townies tion oft lie Catholic Iltslimer, and the negative to be F. yen to the Crown—after the conversation had teken place, Lord Fingal and Dr. Milner withdrew, • and certainly alien they eithdocer, nothing had passed in writing, and if it had 'hot b.-en fur an eveiit which afterwards took place, I dionld not have any thing more to sheer fiw the truth of what I here Stitch to the Ho use, thin my own word, and the of Lord Fineel; but the d'r'after the conveiert,ou had paes-d, Dr. Milner called at my Intuie strain. mud he left at my house • ticket Iliad a ',tier, winch, with the twintiesion of the House I uifl read—rkeer ! freer! reed. rend)—the tielest lied on one aide Dr. Bloomsbury. and on the other throe re,n Hems : J. Protestaat Sorresstun L louse in Oath of Pekoes LU e. Attending Esublishet Service. Service by Articles of war. a reareelie eeiree sea--Tloass Paitte's Works. 4. Noiniaiatiou to Catholie Prelacies. The ticket was accomeituied by the letter I bevel. My hand, and in reading the, lettee, I 'hall be obliged to state presages which are extremely fa vourable tit net argument ; but the Iluuk *tit feel that I as called upon to make a palpate atattatent of them. The letter is to this effect. " Dr. Wither preemie his respectfol compliments to the Lehi How Hr Fontioulvy, mot Woe the Molts al natal distinctly io writing. the talettawre of what lie seal sat, or waiteu sae, , a Isis ecov,rsalion winch he hail the honoar albeidieß ^.ll. 31 , Pint, the Prti:4l - / iftntaw.t arc 'Bleier to give • eiree-t n.; vane p., , re to His Majeaty's finernmwst, with respect to the tioutioation of there UMW Iti.hopries, in sorb as isinse, that *lwo they have amuse themselves resolved who is the West permit for the vacant wee. they silt transmit los same to Hi, quitatoe tasters, and d tie la rrrr ahoold skiers In that mini-, they n all iunset., wiollwr and 6.1014111, atone to which 1/112abievtion is mad: ; sad m enter likely to be the acre) shonlel the Pope referee to cull Drum esee a t. a gy neces,iry spiritual powers sal shirk he is the ekpositary, to the person so pre ...toed she Catholic Dolton% midst, ap proved of by Gammon it, they sill coutiaar 10 prearat the some., till oar occurs ahwh to agreeable to both per to s, namelv. are Coo.. • end Ap.stol.c is to he oh. tersest, heeeset—t That the Coma dues not inter‘ or with the ammeter of soy.othes relia.uses sect, or cheirclhoh.ch It dues not sapp.sm Tint the Dominators in this towns% irately, the Lat:oelee Bieholo,; ate awn ersatipllC6.lll Whsiaore to tfO 3fajrity....3. 'That they will moreover 'acne to humi liate no result who has not taken taken the oath in isestion. " idly. It appears that the elegise contenting the Pro tartest Siteceoho, does not uccar iu the oath of the Defence BA bat it would be highly gratifying to the consciences of the Catholic Bishops and Clergy, mad a great proportion of the Lsity, fshostil an oppiehmity occur,) if any friend of theirs would distinctly stab., in what mare they epoterstood that etsuse, iu the ooh appointed for them to take, particu larly in that of 1791, cis. or 0 penalty, which insist for ever re main swim them, and to • loch they rebnait with rift not as.. eastagemeut which they mkt Upon 1111110SriVe11, iu ouch suet that they would be. ohlrged to take angst asrisiest Ilir .Itojerty if he were to ya to moo. They conceive them sclvesjosttied in midi:ll43Am; else clause iu this. sonar, by the moot positive aestirmicia, that much was the meaning of the LrizlinatUr‘, which ntic Oren tbnin 10 1791, by Bishop Hensley, and other distinguished Senators, who tusuaged the Dili iu Parlivnicut. " dilly. The practice of forcing Catholic soldiers sad sai:ors to attend she eidablisbcd service of ilw Church of hind, sod every where else, except in Irelaitd, is a religious( grievants and oppression, which is deeply felt by all Callus. lies, particular!) by the subjects of this intolerauce " stbly. Mr. P. was so good as to say that lie oostid disclaim, in else name of the Catholics of Ireland, the civil and rOgioitr rude of booms Paine, which they have hems accused in the Nocapapers at least of teaching and holding. M ulster lilt. s o y of comae, bad iii opputtunity of consulting with the Catholic Pechora of 'Mood On the important satiject of the Catholic presentations ; but As Asir o r e s y 'ruse* 1,, below that they will cheerfully subscribe lv the plan traced out in the trot page of this tune." It pill he observed, that the first page of the note contains the plait of election and nomination. with an unlimited veto in the Crown. When I staled that the C .ttiol.e Bishops entertained the 81111Ie opinion they did in 1799, and was c..lteri upon tor my authority; all I sand aria. that l)r. Milner was my authority for that statement. I have read his letter to thia House, stud it will be for the House to lay whether it was correct. 1 recollect that the *seat day tne Member for Catobridgeshire desired to see It, and I &hewed it to him ; used also to the honourable Member fir Yorks..ire. Aud I re member their observations were. not that I lied over stated its contents. but that it would have autho rised use to have gone much further, At the des bate which took place. there were present not only Dr. Milner. but Lord Fingal. I recifilect when went out lido the lobby, the first person I met wits Lofd Fingal. and he %hooked me for whet I had done. (Hear! hear!) 1 said, hoped I had not gone two far ?' He said No; you are quite exact — perfectly correct.' ricelooystbos s f hen, UMW . 6 7 Aud Lord Fingal has, On sous • other 111.31011% con firmed. as a men of truth anti boour ought to have done, what I leave stite•l 01,011 that occasion. I be hest .iiout a Jay or told after the debate, Dr. Mil. nor called upon tut. add told me he was mach band fault with by persons or his persuasion, fur what I hail said ; and that it would hr necesosry for htin tr. publish Borne , ' isg to justify 'Mused. He stated it was apprehei tled. that if du negative or bete was giien to tile Crown, it would shake the King the Header( the Catholic Church. I told bins I had never mentioned any such wort.. i told blinded if 1 the Veto wa. given wow Crown, themost timid Pro. T testaut world be satistied.thot all temperate persons werewilliug tu ark mis ledge the rtg!lt of theCsthid c Clergy to weer, is• their episcopal fisuctious I that With respect to their morality rind good conduct as subjects 1 was satisfied the King was 11..1 .4 the Cathol;e Church, but as to waiters of kith it was impossible to ask that he should be vorearlerecl as Head of the Chinch : is that p•ritit of view; for it 'mold be to arrogate the right of deternisuitig all matters of faith by the King; when, by the iletolu tion of Chri.t himself, it WAS given to the Bishops. Dr. Milner said that was true. but that I had been unsuuderstood b e tad he told me of t liediepleasu re some had taken at the idea of an unqualided and un linsi!ed rite, and had proposed that I should gane f a paper lobe circelated. Minting the veto. and ' canfiniug it to one, too, or more perilous only ; I told Dr. Milner what was perfectly true, that the tele was nut intended to give the Crown a direct noinination of the Catholic Bishops. - that it could net he in wiser hands than the Bishops themselves that I never sioderstood it eras intent to be other. wise ; that the veto was o.dy 'wide to satisfy the Protestant community upon .he subject of foreign nomination ; but I said. it' you retract what was stited, and if you attemot to limit the veto. 1 fear it will bare ass extremely bail influence upon your cruise; it will look as if you wished to retract the condition upon which yin engaged to accept the grant of your claims. I said to him also, if the Crown is to be limited in its trete, as to the number of persons who may be proposed, those permutes who are unfit, for causes known In the Crown Or to its MilliSteri will be reketede and then some others who are unfit by reason of other causes not known to the Croon will be proposed. and the Crown by the effect of evil limited veto will be obliged to accept them. I authorised Dr. Milner to say that urver did think the cute ought to be for any other purpose than what I have stilted, and I never au thorised into to soy that I ahould approve of a die. claim of the vete. Lord Fingal and Dr. Milner Reid. they tnouglst it would be sail•factory. ai.cl Devises .1 was taught to believe it would be OM I cow:hided that they had reams) to believe it would be aistisfuetory. It is a remarkable circumstance, that though Dr. Milner hid said that the reports in the ircespapers hid in their statement of what fell from sue goer mach further tints whet I had said myself, and that the *viten of those re ports lied acknowledged that the statements went fulther than my lan;:tiage would justify. yet it Hi remarkstrlc, I say, t i.at !received two letters thank. iiiawe for what I wee sepposed to have said o:i the subject. One is from an Archbishop. he thanks me in this way : (Here the lion. Member read the letter of the Arehhishopp to ohom he alluded; it contssarl the lao,t nu oio:itir<l opol•ultatitm of the argument• 411141 *inch bust he'll used by the iii4itt Honour-2 Mcrohe► in the 41e. bate Me reported iu t ••• i u lic p.DrI-.) The other I.tt.r, wiiielt was ai• , . Irons a Cathol r Pre. late, thanked me ouh• ir. 4.-ntral wins. l say. • thrrefore. it is not lit .ill aurprislag that Lord Fist ova himorlf • ~ u hl have thalteil roc for itAtell in the coarsen,' the debate., attifshoold have added. that there nas Nuthiu g nifeneeve. incorrect. Of unanthorreed in my Pt-ttrusrest ; ‘s h. n 1 oil And that hum.. hauely of. tr ards I received Ist thenks nt too Cathohe lush orkilowkilirrng that there a.ee nolh:nig oilegioute in whlt I dal ady.,ne e , but that. on the etautrary, a: vria, I.erfeetly correct. and co atilt the *piteous and nen intent. of the enihohce the C ohotic Per la:es should afttiwarus have departed frets what Dr. Milner and Lord ringnl thought they were authorised to concede on the subject, I do not know. I I was assured that a few days before the rueetuggc which took place with a view to * resolution that ass not expedierit that the Crown should mwe ieate the Bishops, it was thought the g would come to a contrary couclusiots.; but lie% the course of the month I did foie • ;Hittite*: Lion upon the subject, signed J. l'ililner.—(This. Right lionnureble Member reed several passages from this publication, and also the report of his own speech from a newspaper*he then read • let ter which he had sent to Dr. :Whirr, in consequence of such ;Jollifications.) I receiviel an answer from Dr. Mauer upon the subject, etplaisiing to we his sentiments ; but that letter I do not choose to read, because it may be considered as containtitg matter rather of a private nature. The letter l hive read l is, on the eicettary, a formal Instruction to me with respect to what I was to say ; and it was writ- ten with *view of stating whet lir. Milner had said, or meant to say, iu the course of the convereatten to which I have referred. Teat being • politic letter, the e could be nothing iuipruper un my pert in mentioning it. The answer to my letter is nut pre cisely of the same description; and therefore I do not think I sin at liberty to read it to the House. Such has hero the nature of the instruetious I re , crimes' from Dr. Milner. I had no other converse taco with him, than whet L bare elated, upon the subject of Catholic representation, .except the one to chili I have Niro referred, with Lard ringal, after I the debate. The letter making it intelligible t-c toe, what I was to say, was delivered to me the . day before the debate. I have read, with consiier. able surprise, another publication of Dr. Milner, written evidently for the purpose of meeting soy fluctottrable Friend's motion. (The Right Ho nourable Member read - a long 1.146411,ge from this second stork of Dr. Milner, in which it was inferred, that the arrengetnent was incompatible wink the security of the Catholic religion, and vita Mr. l'onsoally had acted without having sidlicient stiathnity. I never conceived myself 'tumors :Ay ta \ ed, aml I never stated tiny arrangement but his own. If it is incompatible with the safety of the Catholic religion, he is answerable and not I; and I really think, that 34 Bishop of the Catholic Church was as good a judge of the question as I ain.-s(The Right Hon. Member here read an o ther passage from Dr. Milner's publication. referring to the arrangements in Mein , the Heads of the Catholics.) -By what means he knows what the arrauttemeitts ire, in the minds of those he ca Is the heads of the Catholics, I inn at a lose to detersnine ; for I have never had any imeamurse with him Nom the sub ject ; and I most my, that Dr, Miloet would be the last insir in the community to 'shorn I should with to eommunicate any opinion 44 1 1011 any subject. and much less O l son such • one as Heir...-( fps Right Hon. M -miler then read several pantgraphs from pnother part of the book, is which th e D o ct or ex • me• d a belief, that the Catholic religiou was an oh,- I of uuiessonable prejudice on the part of the Pros te.tanis.)-swlt is - thus that Dr. Milner is pleased to re. present all thole persons who for twenty years have supported the cause of the Catholics with neceash,g fidelity; and he desires the Catholics to bebece that their rebgioit is an object of uureesonable prejudice upon the pert of the Psotestauts.—Thee are several other passages in this book, which era ego-illy applicable to the,questioti. but I think It ...ohd be tiresome to read them to the House. I have read thus much of them in constquence of Dr. Milner lilting stated that he would rather lose his life than give to the u!'_rown that refer which he had before stated the Catholics were willing to give ; mid because lie professes, to state the opinion, of the Catholics. with as much confidence as if lie was really informed whet they were.—Having, Sir, said thus much, I hope mid trust I shall stand ac quitted before-this House of having rashly ed. veneer" soy proposition o I this subject. without sufficient aethority—(Vekeisteitt explyssions of ap. proLetiort, mid ' , pealed cries I f Hear.l e d r I/ hope I shall be acquitted of isses u g outateppell tins an thorny given me t or of having stated in an imper fect or eseggereted mintier the nature of the edo to which the Irish Crtholies were inclined to sub. snit. With regard to the ref J itself, and my conduct with respect to it, I most say that it was regulated according to the opinion of others. I had 'icier. either in the Irish Parliament or here mentioned the subject. The Noble Lord over the way ICastlererigh) wit. nestled one or two motions which were made in the Parliament, and mast be sensible that they never pointed to any such proposition. Bat, Sir, the state of the world, but snore particularly of Europe, is maierially changed now from what it was then. Formerly the Poi e was an independent Prime : he had 41 i independent state and sove reignty guaranteed to him by the other Princes sad Powe.s of the Coutinent. Their jealou.ies of each other Melded the basis of his power and stability. It was the interest of all the Princes of Continental Europe that the power of the Pope should be ex erted over the whole of their respective Ceramic Christeudosu was, necessarily. • his'sl of religious repubie, and every state had a separate and . articular interest in maintaining the authority of the Pope. as the (lead of the Catholic Church. and in supporting his ascecdanc). But. Sir, in coosysinence of that great and extraordivary event in the history of outlaw, the French Revolution, the Pope become little more than a dependalit en• vereign. a rawer altogether depending. for its po lomat existence, upon France. And two years ago it was well known that the Emperor of the French hail it in prospect and contemplation to have associated in the Papacy Cardinal Fesch,and in that case, and leach 411 event had taken place, it is manifest that the real power of the Pope wnuld have reiiiled la the Coadjutor of the Pope, mimic. the Cardinal unnsiosted by the French Governiiii.m. It o, however, perfectly well known, that the Pope and the Cardinals resisted this proposition on the part of the Emperor of France, with tillaßll . l,ed courage and intlexible inr ee ry. It is well known what the Poiw's answer was upon that nee,-inn. Flw 'viewer was. that it was possible the Emperor of the Fm•cli would put him to death. but that each an A •eacial taws of the Papal Passer ii , id my as tow required of him, was contrary to his son scierase, and he would not submit to it, hr the tousequence w sit it might. The prop-swim. therefore. failed is success; but I firiul; i.e here. the espial:ism of the rope crew 'tutus was accelerated, if not oeeasisned, I t s I rE : lf i t i l i lB : eg e lt , °t t ro ; e c r u ; ll.i;l u te' i t ie ).Pw m o ii) u tel s i t atidti:llll"Fh er of t h ven at he is to h t r eh neyill : tleh il t6;i4 o .t il aislu p r i ac i ir e loy o un o: l 7; s:t . h t tye o eleivol b il : vprintep eo ro d ritpisertn d as% Renck 4 arlitraiii,nliebeerd7n "Ihs. still less in his littittl e a sulijeet of Fraur e l under trend of thst Emperor of the French. l it th r e " :: sent stet! 0 this's* s the authority of the Po i considerably {rescued. was two years ago. At th a t time he p ose Sled 't 1 , 4 , 4 „„ n n a al i.ocere , glity, but ttt the ptreect I. the Emperor of the Freud, has ulhail o c.l y posed the Pope, and he has said that it is totes, • 6m potitsle with Vie principles of th e French Gov, merit, that the Pope shcold rt.ereise an y toil 1.7ril eutherity but because the Emperor is rwilli% acknowledge that pastors are necessary to tl:t C o tholic religium he give, the Pope ten na1ue.),,,.4 a certain annuml income, but at the some Imp ins king it part or the condition open oiorli he r t , criers his stipend, that he shell ',DLit part : 1 4 year at Paris. The effect of this necessarily not only to piece the present f'ol'k but 411 i 4. tore Popes ender the to orrice of Fr ince, to make t h e p u p a e, ert imitates-tit of Nese% auto, nine, and. the oolitic:on of she Emperor. I errs is lint StitiOrkitor that n greet many persona lit Pa, country oitioilti feel a coirsiderahle lf , tiret ii— lonay about the Catholic Clergy and the P.p.,. As to myself. I VOA the. Col holles on4in to 0 ,„, to every thiog fair the e of sate( ing the p. te.tunia, that it sit a!,aolutely llivaast 41tl 4; . !I their a. eriew.e.. II the Catholics WV te.tettt what they ask, and uo not ink it, wi Meg st 0.. came time that their ruler at may be tlenteil b this ou g ht, I think. knoweig as they must ; that slid they risk can only be 'getout, through 4t, to give WI equivalent for what they ri:ieet to ab:nix tom Perliaineut, and the Protestant Goirrutseot t H o t I think, hosiever, that your Pimestohl %els jetts have no right lb sok shot is theousistrat with the ionseienees of she Catholics. There art no apprehensions 'of foreign jorisilienoto or r rrath interference, operating upon my mud, that it ll ever induce roe to ithandon the Interests of diet'.. tholics, upon such arrengemeats as afe tee tent with the Protestant safety. I think they have a tight to exerei-e their relloon es teot ancestors pt.-Seised It ; and I see tot reason shy Ire exercise of the religion of their Ibrefattiers should prevent them fnim elloyirg the full benefit of tht British Constit Sir. tooty a felt evils ot the subject of the veto.—l do not know h..* 4,, tog the Crown a eau can in soy mantle, with the Cathol lc it could be in comidth the Catholic faith would hate been violated bt :11 Catholics in Silesia. newts ' std Llais-ia, ^ 1 1 . , r l pas of the Coub wh en neut the . - soreni s .s M.% ecru lit some places the nonsiteiti mis in the King. and yet so MAW has etc • stated it to he tiro nary to the essential artteles of the CethlLe 1411 h IShould they mutt he disposed to agree to the Pei,. I think other arreneanems tney be mode.blabs; answer the same purpose, provide I the Cavite! ii are de-Insult of doing what is right.-'-I sill at no* shoe what those arrangements 1.1 l ;hi to to-. it is sufficient to Observe that I thii.k the -r souk! ba no clinic-018y in molting otranyemeni, •h. i would be sstisfactoty to all pitities.*M r are to!! that thy cloioss on the part of the Catholics et suede for no purpose but tt at they m o be refund ---We are told that there art tit any Catholics both in England wed Ireland. sho wish them to here. fasedi sod tea• if there *ma disposition oa the not ei the Prose tint Gtliernment to Write an ate rangenteat with the English and Irish Csteilies both these classes of persons would set to work and employ all their arts to render any artier roeut as disagreeable as a We, nod so put it nits the'poiter of the enemies of airatigeasetit. ti do feat any that Might be ploposed by those tithe sew really the friends of both Catholics sod Pri.tesimito Tb• Right lion. rientlemaa (Mr. liyilir) has re. pressed his wonder that any Cat Ito me shottlil latr beets found to signify an approbation what try Hon. Friend (Mr. Grottos) ineettioneJ in the eat se of his speech—he °hermh that it *sold he ado. pat tare from the Catholic Faith to sanction the ap• pottitment of a Collette ShlllOp, 111 the WI r" weird be the effect of this oefo. I think that tie R gist lion. Gentleman, as he is not fora) to the cause of the Catholies, might at lent Icier abstsined front wouudi ig their fitting-rev He must kiwi , / that several of the Cathohr h.ve siguified something like an approbation to them* rangeaseht proposed, and therefore it was nut tiles rot in Min to state that they could net do so *hit. out a departure from the essential articles o' ihd faith. But, it appears to me. tbst the Hon. Gnat dreaded within so much as t hat the areau i z eme should be accepted, and as he tholught it likely that Parliament would emotion such an ensil' ment, the hest way its defeat it was by taunt:l . ly the Catholics o:th the violation of 'he prim- f ee ir their fortis, 6/ .westing to such a ino to. Ile . 111 Right Hon. Sirceetivy of State era that he lel void against coecealon that hat keen mete ! hr has so expresied I bell; am Ith .11 to undef.ta that if au arrangement could b.: WW I .. W: 1 I ventila be agneable I e . h t Caviare and Fil. , testants, that still the Catholics must tO . h r'r 'e depend on the It ie.ht Hun. Gentlemen for Irs port ? The Noble Lord (Cast! renal.) has . :t s i‘ po too ken w ti e t i l l ite an i a le re th o a r t s th pi e ri i t nt i t., (l t t e a n o Tt h r.- 1 is t 1 worms to be williqg to grant tne claim* " Catholics his concur, tore ; and that it toe Cat' lies and Protestaiits could ensue to its mrnt. he is still re.oly mot to sliver to it, h .1 tvi cont.t try t t refuge i, N.* rit. the Noble r 1 fr that ii the Altoi-sere were tool: comply w.th *lint is rewureil of them. he sm hot he the Irs.ll drtenoltled to refuse his co 1611. and an I understoOd the Right 11..n0u..1 Stcretary sic, to imp Titen, Ore use Irate t' "by +4-y c0t.c...i010. 0 . the pot of the Cs are to oe urged as is grimed of 'Nowell'. • the one wit) of the other? hen the :rue 40 0 th,. i 4, that C., or ne retu—arirsgruv " sin arrungrilieut—t he some tleirrnunetlyw h re. is. log the claims of the CA:toile , eal-t` " mind' of the Adiot..istr oinu of the conolf ulk of rejvc.ing th , ir thorn., ht r; . agree to the e.fo. is nothing hot 41...i:e.•• • • folli•—•••(Cries hr.tr, S ri 7c r i all 'lencG at 1, a. at but I II 4 •tue4l, If le cat, hi! ie Op* 3 an %hat tt Sled by 1,1‘.4 of Ir tins 4, 0 lUtaaala rt aot aa% a 4 144.1 t I4t Co ta 5,,4 as. tau Ile /ea C 4 :h a' .411 .4. 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