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• mew, sud they will give-us good measures." Them is, in my mantoo, uothing so inconsistent as this false lamina or axiom-it is alpinist ail the expe rience of historya-it a agaiust all the sound dote trines of the ablest political writers-it is against the authority of Locke, of Machievel, and of that rent Mao Harrington, who said with mire truth en d with greater practical wisdom, " Give us good laws. and they will make us good' mete" li ar . e ington ably and forcibly put that first greet fun damental right of the people, their fundamental right to a full and arle.quate representetum in the Legislature, such a representation, as while it ef fectually preserved their own liberties, would equally maintaiu the constitutioilal interests and rights of the Crown. Even the proprietoru of rut. ten boroughs would themselves derive the bettelit of this change. When made by the Legislature they would get some etplitable cousidekatien for that of, which they were d-prived, whereas if the peaple . Were ultimately driven to act, they would lose the whole altogether " Si meant ingenium non murabitur " Necessitas cure" At present the people %ere ground to atoms by the system corruption which existed, and they much longer endure it. The borouglintotigers • may think, that bye a cse they have berracas all over the country, and a large standing army to prop op ti oiotens, that titerefore it will endure; leaf if they repose coi.fidetely ist this hope, they will in the ,nd tiud themselves irefully sod wickedly mis. is tree. On that standing army I cannot piece the arm..implicit confidence that they do. Though I uoiraestioosbly hold the maintenance of such a force un consioutional-ohoirgli I know from hie. tory, wherever it sans atanntinistel it was destructive Of :he liberties of 'he people; hut I still feel, look lug at it in this country. vas far as it Menhirs the cause of liberty. a much less apprehension than others may feel upon the same subject. I have iiifieittly less apprehension from the geittlenten of the army, from the gentlemen with red cones, tit in I have Irian the gentlemen in black coats, those of the lung robe, as they are ',totally called. -(Laughter.i I repeat that I dread the our infigitely less ttato do the other. The great and crying evil is, I re• pear, the want of a 101 l and free representation of - the people.-( Hear, hear.)-It is from this griev ance that oppressive and overbearing taxation springs-it is from this system that the great ' spritigs of rtprtmluelive industry are broken down for momentary revenue-it is front this system that that uuaccoutitable policy has arisen of union:titt le% large establishments at an enormous expense, for the purpose. as it is avowed. of putting the country, by aatimpattoa, in it state of resisting future aggres siou. Can any policy he more inconsi-tent than this, more inconsist6 sit indeed for the accomplish ment of its avowed purpose ? One would think that the way to husband resources to contend with future difficoltiee, would be to give the industry of the people fair play, to give them in time of peace :6 relaxation front those burdens which the war un happily imposed upon them by so doing, it was natural that the cenetry would recruit and re-invi gorate its own energies. To keep it aiwoys (as was the absurd policy of Minister.) in an overstraitted iirliefence, was as unnatural us it was ito was to wear out rather thaii preserve Alt efforts of the people. A homely illustration was sulfa ieut to demonstrate this fact. Look at a coot . boxer-44 laugh J -,purr be preserve kw ener gies by keeping them for care 011 the stretch of exertiol?nci Welt thing-in his time id lei sure he releies 'every muscle he can, to mate the retard to tension more of when it is necessary to have recourse to the prep le tory step' of combat. Why then should the coun try be compelled to make the sacrifices it was mak ing, to steed in what is called a posture of de fence ?' the better course would be to prose be tween whiles to give the people a little breath; any cum se, indeed, than that of keeping them in a perpe tual attitude of exertton. which, instead of ultimate.. .1y giving them strength whets occasion might call for its exercise, only enervated and enfeebled them, m:4 rendered them, is the hour of trial, mashie to oppose in effective rewstance. This borough system. I again say, cannot last. the people won't notch longer endure that eft° rich proinieturs shall • retort' a majority in the Commons House of Par. liament to vete away their lives and liberties. This system cannot last-the people will not yield their heart's blood to councils so formed -the day of trial must come, if not untieipated by Reform, and th a day will invoke the borough propiietors in one common ruin with the other reeks of property in the et:ea:try. There is no way of avoiding this ex tremity short of the adoption of Reform. Doctor Zolinscon's father, who was a bookseller its the country, was remarkable for the constant watch he kept over the security of Lis stock in tr.de, lie used fur a long succession of years to lock his hack door with his own hand, the last thing before he went to bed ; bet one on foiluitate night he forgot it, and thieves entered his ' slop and carried off his property. Gentlemen may imagine that they could, by natelsiug well the course of public feeling, and guarding against its ebullition, preserve their borough system, but they :forgot that they had, like poor Mr. Johusote a back &mr they could not always keep bolted-they for got that periods might arise when public feeling could not be stayed,. and when the rights of the pr0,,..4 could no longer he resisted. There may be pan' colas. retrenchments on occasional emergencies, some lopping off may take place in a particular de. rt meet, a wing of Sontereet House may be turned iser's %bop, but still white the prime I • '4. Ergo, the gallows may do well for thee, may he very in oue seirse—l Lasughleri—but it is quite dittere•it in the Sather. The Noble Lord, ton, (Lord Castlereagh) may continue to make his &o mitting statements of the pr o gressive p ros p e rity o f the eountry; he may repeat, as he did at the op g artier &Nino, that rowed merchants were flourish ing iu commercial prosperity—that starring manu facturers were actively and abundantly employed—• that blii#ited agriculture was in the heyday of its aucce-sful market. These assertions mutt, however, as they did now. and indeedever did, find their level at last. The Noble Lord and his colleagues talked of Atlasion ; the name came with good grace from such a quarter, frosn them who lives' in • land of delusion, in a soil of their own culture, indeed of their own creation. They are, it seems. quite happy, soil therefore the people most be so like wise. They now and there, to he sure, wonder why any complaints should arise, when all shoat themselves breathes with so much fragrance-- when they, in fact. repose upon • a bed of roses: —/Hear, hear, and a burghs)—My great object is to impress. if I can. both in end out of this House, and even as I have before said, upon the hproughtstongers themselves, that it does isot fol. low that because the Arlisiisters are happy the people should be the same. This is the real delusion. and I verily believe that if the boroughatongers ere long do not come to a better understanding with the people, there will be an end at once to their tenure s cod ex . 's' cove...they must fall in the common ruin which their pertinacity provoked. Some Gen.le turn ask, • Let us hear particular grievances, and theis call to It We them redreseed.' I should detain the House to a painful length were Ito enumerate the putteolar grievances under which the people groan. Look into any of the public departments; and do not grievances stare you in the lace ? Has nut the liou , e athuirted this fact ? In Ile admione &ration of public charities, you have admitted the existence of gross abuses. In the state of your pri sons. of your mad-houses, and of Other places, you have been obliged to interpose. to correct no torious evils ; but the greatest of them all has not occupied your attention—l allude to Ilia ex penaes%iiisel delays in the Courts of Justice.— fieer;fiear.j—Lord Coke said that the King was always supposed to be present in yocr Courts, and that by Nava Cherie he declared milli negabione, Saw ll neadennie, milli &Prelims, justdiain Del ree tan. It is true that the great Charter is not now violated by the sale of judgments, but an almost equal evil has sprung up—l mean the utter intone. sibility of obi • g those judgments without weighty parse. Even in the Courts of Common Law, whirls in their original institution were se nobly contrived for the administration and diitribi• tion of equal justice in the gone' old 'anymore of between the rich and the pour'—even in those the practical application of the fair maxim is de. strayed, is exploded by your special acts for costs and other charges. The greet grievance, howeeer, is the delay and expense of the Court of Equity ; these in the Court of Chancery, it iv my firm belief, are the cause of more human suffering and misery than are produced by any other existing n6,14'604)0. I do not attribute this to the individual who retitle, in that Court—i charge it upon the system itself, not upon the man. It mainly arises from the man. &low' system of taxation which has been brought to bear upon coots of Court. Better would it have been to tax 4reari, than to tax the administration of justice.—(blear.)—It at once defeated the great object of those institutions, which were alike to be thrown open to the rich and the poor. But now the syste.in of taxation upon instruments actually -eluded the - from seeking legal redress ! --iid far :•. • . t; . . 4 4 +. i 1 . 4 'ld'v . net - nerd driii;eresi I &gage. - 1006 n a lbs be fair, moderate, and figpa, and let no man hatie hold - out to them the hOpe of attaining the the power . of enlarging sr reducing* it. Tlyeoe benefit of those pions which , have been -called in monstrous expense, have lit a great degree ammo this House and elsewhere, wild and isopracti- from your enormous stamp ditties, they have at cable—snob epithets Wive been, I know, applied length grown up into so obs(roction of the course to plans which I thought expedient, by a Right of justice. It) the present state of the ad • rsi- Honoursble Gentletnan opposite (Mt. Canning), bon of the law, the rise and Outary prose:Smiles of he was a clear and candid opposient—he so* wilting the common law were absolutely denied to all ex to alter•in the existing system—it was, in his eyes, cept those who could eider the Courts with a a model of beautiful proportions.--‘-there might; M. weighty purse. Inquiries. Ino aware, have.heess deed, lie admitted, have grown up in the lapse of • made Mtn many of the pstticialar evils attending ages, some thing% which loul:ed like blots u.s the the adalinisfratiou of justice. but they have generally fair face of our Constitution; hut still they were ended in palliating the evils nether Than removing but blots, and did not delete the greet structure it- Ahem, besides incurring for the public an immense self, and which here and there could be recounted *riclitional expense." The lion. Baronet then to its practicaleffect. But the great distinction be- eonsholed by moving a •Reollurian— tavern me and the Right HounarableGeotlentan is, ' " That early in the ensuing Session 'Li , limier would , i t , 11 % at e , t a li :Li u !: m ur so i t hi nts: p s k e...s . osidersious the state e( the Re. that though the system may answer Weil for I ' soitsvere very ill for the persple.—(llear)-1 retiretne Mr. C SOROS: LAMB, 10 rising to secone . the mo her the story of the surgeosewlio thought it would be tion of the limn. B ar o ne t, cougrattilowil Gil friend, well for chlriirgical science if thwectionsi could be of Reform on the manlier in which it heal been in pi rformed on live persons --lie saw noobjaction in the treduced by the lion. Baronet. It was introduced world why the practice should wit he suffered upon to as to embrace all Ilse *importer. of Reform, and condemned criminals. This maybe all very well fur the sot, to embarrass the question by liaraeriog details. specolation of the operator, lout i 4 lie hail been appro. which may teal to excite conflicting opiniens, and whitely answered, what would the TAO under his "li" rail be touch better reserved for future eon knife think under the operation ?—whist would he sideratone Ile did not mean to fallow the Hon. say to the experiment at ascertaining the depth of Baronet through all his eloquent still able details, borrow endstremeitt ? S., it is with the people. many of which, however itappalrdebrered. were The Right Hon. Gentlemen may hug himself siii with the fancy thatoll is well while lie ihroreim—lt yet extraneous to the question, arid in one of wh i ch may do very well for him, hilt nut fur liiii.e who only lie thought him not borne out by the fact. lie begged. to be understood at the outset as di*. aft doomed to pay the forfeit of his system. The so-81611g from the options of those into mud dialogue of the Grave-digeers, hi Hamlet, was their theories with whom the Honourable Bien, quite supropriate ;II its application to this point : net was sometimes in the habit of coonectiog let Gran.Dia.—What is he that builds stronger Mars himself; he disclaimed their absurdities, but while either Ili , 1114.4111, the shipwright, or the carpenter ? lie did so, he avowed himself to he the lirmo friend 2d Gusto Dirt —The galluars-maker ; for that frame out litres a thoussiol tenants. of it rational Reform. He was not one of those Ist Graw.Dig.--I like thy wit well, is ghoul faith; the who thought d(it the march of Reform haul of late gallows aloes well; but hue does it well? It dors well to r been judicious or great wit of flours; he tallier those that do ill : uuw thou 'lost ill, to say the gallows is , , built stronge , than the church: argot, the gallows may do t""g'st t h at, Icon t he h ind ' .""" which it " it well to thee. fallen, it had been, to use the military phrase, " marking tune." rather than advancing. It had been marching here and (notching there, kicking tos a dust in its progress, standing still though the feet were occarionsilly thrown forward ; or rather if tiny making a retrograde motion. He could not think with the Honourable Beronet, that the House had been idly occupied in the course_ of its present sitting's ; though not indeed engaged in the work of Reform, it had been employed in punishing and pulling down, to a certain extent, battery and corruption.—(Hear.)--elle wsi asto nished that the 'immutable Baronet ',mold hove overlooked these acts. The Honourable Betimes was certainly absent on the occasions to which he alluded. He did not impute ooy blame to the Honourable Baronet for such absence ; no doubt lie was employed ill his retirement in his daily toil, amid consuming his midnight oil, preparieg the able stationent which he had that night made to the House in support of his motion. With respect to the ulterior steps to be taken, he had no hesitation to avowing his wishes to see the borough system purged 01 its corruption, nod to see the elective franchise extended to populous places whereit did not now relit. He Oswald also wish to wee the do tattoo of Parliament rear& Tfee effect of this would be, Co create I f o t itirideutity tsetweeti the relaceolinted awe the resfresentative thaw/ now existed, particulerky at the beginning M a woe Parliainem. Vlrere Parliaments. triennial Motesid of motes'. Mal, this distinction would nut be observed be ismcn Isis fins year and the lilt year of a new Parliament.—Wear, hear, hegr.)—lt had been ;Md, that much evil would *rim train the close repetition of time tiimultuary ptoceedings at elections. lie was of a ditlercitt opinion, and would feel no hesitation at triennially boatels his cotistiluents. lie was one of those who nautili's(' the battle of the ordeal of a popular election—it was au excellent ordeal—(.4 lergh)—for bringing the candidate before his coustituetets—it was, its fact, t h e periodical infurion of • new spirit halo the Constitution. lie liked the jollity. the freedom of language. amid even the abase which flew about on such occasions. He knew that there was smother and a different ordeal sometimes to he passed at elections, and which resembled that of their mimes tora---an ordeal of fire arid sword. lie lied no ob jection to a little bespattering of mud (as the Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Canning) once al luded to) on these occasions; he was content to run all ticks of tiNt kind trie JJJJ ially. instead of septen nially ; and lie should even have oo objection to see the Right Hon. Gentleman or him-elf bring nig with them into that Howse some of the me mentos of their being confronted with their consti tuents at fresh elections.—(Hear. and a lewgk.) He differed materially from the Hon. Baronet in thinking that Reform would be a grand pamicea for all evils, or that it was the only thing which ought to be attended to. lie was nut one of those who thought that Reform would make breast cheaper, that It would do away the possibility of Wars, or prevent the possible occusretsce of bud harvests. -0(A laugh.)-4k did not think that it would realise Mom happy tiial, when, according to Forteteue, u-sti pied vtiouVriverr Ito:Olen clothes, and drink tm water." lie thought, however, that thougl) it would not do •II this, it would yet do a good deal to redress - egistiog {grievances, mid, *Wire ell. to create that cossiidenee between the people and the House of Commons, which, he was sorry to say, did not now exist, and which was so essential to the well-being of both. He much approved of this motion, from the osoderale and conoidernte mintier jj) which it was towelled. and which was the only way of pressiag. the, ado?. lion of a great principle, and by mutual comet s effects. COMOMOI object. He hoped that, made ' *lto thought of ittreentspleitian std machinery. At * the present time. ir the former were to be. examined into. it Would istspear that from two Lo three hundred members were eliminated by Peers, one hundred end eights-sieveig by (lentlemen who mitt in the Hume. freeing only • helium, of one hundred and twenty. one returned by the people.—(/fear.)--1 , would be superfluous to attempt to prove that such prig• lice was at variative with the 'triglyph-. and theory of the Conetothlion. The I lull. Baronet laid quoted ;nonce Blockeinne to erume that —it was pat past till stocht by Lord Ch ithare. Frig, end the writings of the friends of the l ieovie (.t" odoeli the Noble Lord opposite had brew iqe of the si ns distinguished tsembeis). The only quest . ..pig, there fore, was, whether the practice thouid bt brought back to, and reconciled wit Is theory; laird wlret bre the present was a fit *Cason for 41dki1g tia“ thought the Hon. Baronet had proceeded nab ilia. . tmelion its choosing it, and that it was o conerisieut tittle to make the trial. Certein Members, howeeer e were hostile to every species of Beform. An (-I.nt r Member had called upon the [louse to he.; its timid the great and substantial blemvings the eouotry Mejoyed under the existing combustion of the House of C.notnotss ; but even he hail been able to distinguish. and lied poilttell out certain evils PC9 stilling therefrom, among others the vast extent of taxation-wand was not that alone a sufficient ground to agree to the motion ? Uid nut {he ihhabitanta of flitbrit; of Lantesk,iree pf cry out against tbe pressure of timalion, to which they well knew they would never hare beets *objected, had they beets mistily repre-etsletl ? He shotild not undertake a refutatusn of all the ob jections usually made against altering the consume lion or the House of Commons. but there were two immix theist which be thought entitled to some consideration. in the first place, it was ours 011* a constitutional monarchy. and not a regml monarchy, and that, therefore, any •ttempt hit ob tain a truly popular delegation, west to overturn the constitution; what was that but *slim{ that no coifs. Bence was to be reposed in the loyalty of the and that it was neressa:y to eolgitcote aisd corruption, the engine. of 'debasing the natingial character, fur free suffrage and engirt unidlneeired election? -(ffeer.)—lie was remade she Hasse of Bronswick weight never .went to a doctrine whirl' leniled to strip is of the truest glory any Prince conld gaiss—the e v e, o f ( r;;;9 4_ lug his authority on the consent. stn. relining _ .94 I h i 040.1 of the subjects—(Near.)—The next obi ection was, dro slot House already virtually represented the pinpi f -that its g r ,„b ers were o bli g ed simoaelves to 01;,,y the laws thll.they twirled, and that thence resulted en omit, and harmony of the general with Oldie:dual infernos. But that Jutted was to variance with all history, which shewed tint .1 1 . ell times 1114 countries legislators poorest laws Irolll/Pry in the public feelings; and hr said dist ibis House, nominated nu Lester part as io was by pedir I infan t :9., gout netemmity have views', feelings, and daises din twee futorii, of slue west body of she people from whirls they sole 'selected, and to which they hoped stair ill reinre—..r at leasi,saoser to Belem • without sectoring such advautazes 1y linonvelves as would compensate fur she evils their legislation had wopiglo t”ir the we • s. The greatest enemies In KeGese were thi...e who rejected all inpniry till a rpecitie plats eras brought forward. An Hon Mt usher on hill /Isle of the Howe bed oh-dared he would sot sanction the motions 1.11 some parti cular system were proposed pf which he could approve; fat; he seemed to forget shat plass bad been prods:red in the Horse; Ire himself had sabesitted nor!, so had the . Hon. Member for Weymouth (Mr. W. Williams). neither of which had received Pie sa,ppitit of that Ilan. Gentleman /Tor e ). —Though Wyatt, firnithe, end ill she alts in ed. were to exhibit plans, sone of diem would sasosfyinseh one enatild be too Virecian, another tun Gribic, Dome ,t!in ass. client, eskers top modern.—(Neer, 6411 a Isnigh T -Tisch es-swine. was like that of Are soldier while Brotrieg, m shoes tots high, that's too low ; Oh! duo% strike is she middle!" —aranpkfer).—The Hum. Baratta had with .prisdenre ywo speedy' ly prudyeed au ,plit—a,uch was the made of oldish,. log • gentral gollStlll to some plan should dm Committee be appointor]. In that event, the bimodal and Isomeloulder.? plan might be examined, Mr. Pitts, the Polite of stigkeeirad•• as well as tuber.. For himself be sholord say, that he ell for f conomebeasive one. and if Moister. would serve to trio triennial end bouseholdels' system, he should ihissic a greet advantage would have been p ine d for the eitatibf-- 7 (ffear, kear)—fur triemial Parlisment• OUdni/101 . (411y more coder dip esantrol and isilliwitre sif the public than septennial, and pay more sript attesoiloo,io memoir. s-of missy. He made this appeal to the HiMit iii behalf of people of Englised, as one of their Ilepreseotatima ; and should conclude with this sentiment of that yea( politice# writer, Mr. Locke ."- 4 Ay It ii theproloaVed right of the people to eademonr to obtain as roe 11 rrpreeeriptioto in the Comoros& House of Parliament, whoever beings it •111014 to Ibis point is dm best Merl .of his comity; sod venuut fail t o r eceive the appruhanuo of the people.'--(llegre, lour.) WILSOTP rose to eater his puled system/ire mo o. tioo. The Honourable Baronet had secowsied fur glut bring. itg the mgaton forward at an dirtier pert ad of the Stlll4oll l by his desire to avoid the imposture of a:merging beefy iM throwing the apple of discord among them.; bat he (Mr. Wihnrut) cool sea better ;remiss for his present line of cooduct. He could not but thiak, the hem rlosen to be connected with the osteernogs now carrying on *never the country, nod which be cunt(' best gletrafterive be she Head of turbulest end seditious. Betimes like she Hen. Bare, net's were the mew, the asset, the instroment, by which the interested or the dissifeeted witched on the' i.e. lions of a deluded multitude. On eswasiuns like Ow pre unit, the people were tedd, they were hiving 4 utter system of tyranny—that the nobles, the (truly, the ;iris ? were their nets& curtsies.—(Cris' qe "No, Iso.";—He alluded to what had taken piece on former (inva king ? and sot, of coon*, to any Able Winds hash amine Irons the Hon Baronet that night Bost he was - deceived if all the topics lotiosipeed (.9 the opposite side "% Id not Jae versed from their proper onersithig, iii ion imposed as the sentiments of Hood Members cc the popoletion of the esnot 7 try. wise were itOsitile to make Mee distinetiesto, Wore sie mouths went rousid; and it was ow this woes' sisal he thisiga;htke gram jest iied Is oastousisig the 14111•16.10.1.1. Se 110. Wllfl connexion was there between the esdlost topics ineeLe prisid in the How. Baronet's speech, awl tl3r evils ruder which the country was sittrerlop eumeettence eif lending an est to each rpeeseutetietus would be revue tuition, ayd in that way indeed sante s.f the evil. intent he got rid of. Beginning 111 legislate anew pns.uhly Owl "'nigh reMove same ceases of euespleint; but ii.Citito), greater ones would rime ge their &sere Hr t o 'ferrite screed, that wbrs , as Wt/ft system of I:,iisery and ✓apont, h o d been domovreed, tbe Otiose rust" In earr..l.ll ire 'Wort nee tif sack jiraceetkings, and that tint. the heat aril sigiest male of r..40,. ja was uproot. Wisyld She Rumor. chic eihirtlite thane who saw iu the practical effect and operation of their existing ayrtem much real. sislastasoial. and positive good—(hoer/-.-and without messing uf fes.ce to any particular individual, he begged per osisairin to add, that he wanted faith soot coolislesice in the. political wisdom and sagacity. and the sound arose and discretion of many (he would not say of all) of the persons who were advocates for what was called—Porliamentary Reform. Much as Ile vespecte4l meaty of them, he confessed that upon this pniiit he had hot the whit cosifideuce in their wisolson and foresight. He doubled much their penetration as well as their competency to model anew the representation of the people; sud his firm conviction was, that if this object were once placed within their grasp, sogreat would he their enthusiasm to try the extent of their tlseoritoo hat they would put to risk and hazard the permanent institutions of the country. They would. lie apprehended, try their hands at tit re experittieres. mid though he gave them full coedit for the integrity of these uioisves, yet he repeated he could place no . confidence in their wisdom. What lie objected to in all the mo tions of this himl which had been brought before the House, was their indefinite stature; and before he could content to put to hazard the good that Ice believed to flow from the present system, he must see some tangible plan, the benefit* of which were raviolis and likely to be certain. He thought that the existing system of the represootastiou.. with whatever theoretical defects were supposed itt be long to it, gave a real tubstatitial security for the liberties and property of the people; he believed it gave this to a greater extent than •ever Wore existed in any other state of ..ociety where a nation had arrived at such maturity, or where a people had arrived to the same state of civilization as they had iii this country. He repeated, that lie believed the prevent system diffused more prac tical gaud than any that hiliserto existed in a civilized country. lie doubted much whether in the end these great material and radical changes, which looked so beuutiful in theory, would be found to produce the same practical good which, in his opiainn, belonged to the system in its present shape ; he dont:gest whether these great chimps would be productive of great or indeed of any good. He begged at the same time not to be understood as expreasing a belief that the existing system was, in its stature, perfect ; he knew that time had done to this what it invariably did to every thing human, that is, to iota upon it some abuses and blemishes. Instead, therefore, of bringing in a sweeping motion like this, the preferable course would, in his opinion, be to take a specific mode of eradicating any particular grievance. Let the remedy be' pro posed in a clear and iutelligible manner—let it be specific, and clearly pointing to the particular abuse. Reference had been made to the motion of Mr. Pitt on • former occasion. The taste of the country had materially altered since that period. In the year 170. the national debt amounted to 160 it had now increased five-fold, to nearly 800 millions. The public revenue and tax ation had also made rapid strides siuee that period. These augmentations had a powerful effect in en larging, in every manner, the influence of the Crown, both in civil and military department's. The whole machinery of collecting great additional taxation gave to The Crown arts •tmenense • nom of enlarged influent anal petpfttdigt, and w h ich had spread like a torreut in parts of the country where it was previously unknown. That petronuge and i..fluence must bear down every thing before it . if not regulated and checked. He denied that a motion of this kind pointed at any remedy for the growth of the influence to which lie alluded. Be sides, the Reformers were never agreed upon their owq principles, except, indeed, that class of Re formers which was called n radical," all the real were quite unsettled as to specific projects; he never met thieve of them who could think alike upon this topic. They all solid. n Let the House go into a Commit tee, and then we can settle upon sume specific plan." There was precisely where he differed from them; for before he could bring himself to agree to risk the existence of the present establishments, he most be shewn his way to the attainment of pro spective advantage,; as the present motion Afforded him no such information. he would give it Isis hearty dissent.—(Heor.)—The Hon. Member concluded by moving as an atiendment to the Hon. Baronet's motion, that the other Orders of the Day be pow read. Mr. Gummi', in a low tone of voice, defended, to a certain extent, the borough system, he thought it gave an opportunity to have different interests re presented, which otherwise could not be placed in such a situation ; for instance, the colonies, and other wealthy aud mercantile intei ests. He should, however, have no objection to have the elective french* extended to large populous places like Manchester, and to Leeds (which was indeed for merly represented), or to Birmingham, which in modern times had grown up to note. Sir ROBERT WIII4ON stated, that he could have only one objection to the course pursued by the Honourable Baronet, and that was as to the time when he introduced it, at Ito late a period .the Station. when a number of Members who would support such a proposition were intent,. one expecting that at this moment a quet • tiros of this magnitude tumid be introduced.— tie trusted that the ecooomista had beets taught wisdom by the results of their efforts in the present Parlidattut••••by their oarless eodesorours for re tretichniont—hy their fruitless motions on the Ad miralty. the .Ordnance, and the ; Foreign Depart ment. After his Hon. Friend (we presume Mr. C. If utchinto9 bad been unable to wept a single sou& box from the Chancellor of the Exelrequer—(4 laugh)—after the force' of those with whom he r . if • - nito an appraiser'* shop, our .... -........._ ~.... _ i gnevance cajoled, the people will not be hoodwiuked. I precluded the poor froth . seeking tegai reuresto-stio 5.0115 effectinghis motiusentr,be had made P oo olsser. , ( n A ta u th.: ! ore° , 01 with tiwee , w ,"" 1. or Stillia MOW ul r,tv. v. ...Sr ••,, ••• ••• • • •••• _.• wish to impress this upon the Nouse, cud I think, lIINII grstnitous assistance, he must swear, that vela P which could be considered to tin 'Neu oliai oeuratert toti; woks,. mod otoit. able &armlet, wise° eatarttintt ini the daprenaed entidision with. reference to the detgils of Reform, that the which I ;ear too many cat* now swenr, that • House, and concluded by set . sig..the moimn. derogatory . 1 tend to p i ece ). so that they Led with sliffleutty a ilie people at 'be present d4y,, recollect tie liiicialie ~f **tent of the right of suffrage is of mach lets ism- he is not worth ten pounds to the warld. The formed a rear guard to protect t heir retrial ". r fa ,„ Hichstd it in the Vf.!ple, offer 111.; isoo.4erctioo nodes Wit penance than that it should lie di ff used upon a noose, lam sure, are not aware. of the terri- Mr. c lIIEN TELL Me to oppose the -motion. Me the congurrors-(Laug•ltier)-lie bored the ecturn- TyhT .: -"_Rit.v_rire twill. _o_loo4, 0 is lopottqgio . ?emu" chart fixed, owl intelligible princip l e -//ftstr, hie extent to which costs are piled up. Woold said, it belonged to • class 9( anbi e era on ostrich he 4 nissts would see the prittlettee of sdratictog to peril- tar ot; rer T o lo r e 5 H h :0 i 1...11 9 1: c 11 , 1 e. • a1 ,a 4:11,1 R. 0 1. 7 .. 1: 1 1.L:Zreini1 it..4 1 1/ .l n e il if i s i 7 . heart —s principle which should give the right of they believe *bat a mere oboe copy of a proceeding was uot in the liabit of ols!rading hae ll etf own the lel hues with the reformers. Of the tieeetosty ix I... g bmke, to rairw - dre qa dratr ~,,, of ibe Zion so II" propplbon o f the pro- in the Cqurt of Chancery emomiteti iu are instance, attention of the 04.. e. 7 hwugh he twirl often voted Reform the people were gen e rally persua d e d ; they rile al t o if ar...nd in (he am , a lieu's./ the itztb. ' Hie iepreventation to the great eponaimilar questions, he ,hoil over before 'rifted ,knew that they ought to he villein/tin:illy Terre- ehrrrdeetth,.....irr„..":„",..ohtilttlito proper- igrier.staro.,". pie.- (Hear.) -My present object is not to sup. whicb was notorious, to a large fortune i What • port or enforce one porticulpr speci fi c plan or did .they suppose the regular charge for *Alti.v the reettoris which inilutneed his vote, and be trusted reu ed. aot! they were daily in.ti.sted to &tote fed i timers Dr Johniu6, that " A bard 'Net:: to .4. brooch of Reform ;,I am °Ay contenting fe: the office ropy (at the Usual rate) would be I the House would on this it occienan allow him the op- labour for a purilication of the 14,i i raw o f G o rerranio. hoed, &lett' dr 'troy a tempts;" and tbe ihmotriimpoopurs adoption of the great principle-I •am only cell- 1.001. perhaps; no• 74,000/.; . n 0 . 710,1,00/. ; no.- po . rtoolly of d0i,16 of. 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