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F ~ , ', I 1 tr' 4~ r way was., to take all America toleer. The whole of the com merce of.lareat Britain was 33 miliions; 21 millions of it went to Europe ; out of the remaining 22 minima, 17 went to America, and b millions to the East and West ladies. Ile was ready most entirely to that when the country-could spare the revenue that duties 'on d t branches of trade produced, and that as restrictioos in due course were removed, trade must increase. There was another circumstance not to be overlooked—these were agricultural countries; be meant agricultural countries fur their own interests. Spain has now no means of conquering these countries ; their means are chimerical. lie would now call their Lordships' attention to some circumstance% which probably might not be unknown to them. In the Revolution of TOM, when Spain was invaded by the armies of France, it was notorious that the period was not far distant when the Colonies would effect a separa tion from the Mother Country—it was obvious that sixteen or seventeen million, of people could not be held in perpetual thral dom; and it was titers a question with the Government of this country, upon the rising of Spain on that unparalleled and atrocious aggression, whether we should support the Mother Country ; leaving that to its fate, we should 'any the war to the southern hemisphere, and the station and taltnt in the country of those who combatted ; for this latter opinion were by no moues inconsider. able, but the most genesous; and4its circumstances turned out, the I ' most fortunate policy was pursued. The two lines of policy were incontinent, and having onc the system we thought it ad visabk to follow — we were co m p elledo follow it openly. Our con duct at that time was highly applauded, but the revolution in Spain was accompanied by • revolution in the provinces. From the situation in which this country was placed there was but one course to pursue. In 1810, when we fleet receinskthe intimation of the rising of the Colooka, we offered our mediation for the recon ciliation of the Mother Country to their provinces, and there was I no period from 1810, to the completion of the war in the year 1014, whether with the ('ortea or Constitutional Junta, that this country did not persevere in her line of duty aid sound policy, for they could not be i seyered and he had no hesitation in saying that that re conciliation would have been effected, if the Spanish flovent.tent had listened to our offers of mediation. It was not the King of Spain alone who rejected our interference, but all panics ruling in that country; and if there was one party more clamourous than the ! rest against making any concessions, it was the high Constitutional party; nevertheless this country continued to fellow in the same clunk, even up to the Congress at .his-la-Chapelle. But by this time was gained, and Spain evaded our offer , . AVe were then led to feel and to consult our own interests, end those interests were not opposed to our duty. The Noble 31 anoint had omitted to state; what was our actual situation, what we had ilone,and what remained to be done. In the year 1812, a Noble and laniented Friend of his, row no mote, had prepared instructions, which were subsequently delivered to a Noble Duke, and which that Noble l)uke acted on. Government atterwardt submitted to parliament an Act, which ad. rotted de,/ono the independence of these colonies, for by the 3d of the Kieg, cap.. 43. an Act was pawed (the Navigation Act), giving to all thaw colonies the right of trailing as independent phweri, and without reetion establishing with those coolants a complete tree trade. '1 his step was it that time explained to the Spanish Government, and they were also told that it would be followed by other ulterior steps • and therefore, we may say , that from this time the practical independence of these Status was acknowledged—the communications were no longer unilateral. Ile would now come to the period when, after the French hail invaded Spain, and the deli verance of Ferdinand was no longer problematical, this Government took the step of sending out Consuls to the principal States of South America. We diet this on • view of our own interest : it has been euid that this step was dictated by the Speech of the Preaideet of the United State. of America, but our line of conduct was decided on weeks before that message was known in this entry, and even be fore it was delivered, and after we had obtained from France an ab- , juration of any intention on her part to act with arras against these States: This musky had done every thing that was practicable. consistent with honour and good faith, to effect a mediation. crud had failed; what course then was left for it to pursue? As to an acknowledgment of its independence, in the fennel sease cf the word, you have no right to give it or to dispute it ; every thing else has been done; the only thing that rentairs is our diplomatic in tercourse, and if there is one right niore peculiarly belonging to the Sovereign than another, it is the poinr of nominating the countries to which he will tend diplomatiast. There may be as apathy in the exercise of the Royal prerogative which Might call for the inter ference of Parliament, 'but will any nine say that that is the case In the present instances he was prepared to deny it. The Noble Lord (Liverpool) stated, that he had no desire to shelter himself under any secret motive ; he had no difficulty in telling the No ble Marquis all he thought, and this brought Min to that part of the speech of the Noble Marquis with regard to the Revolution in North America. Every body knew the conduct that was fol. lowed by France during that unhappy struggle; the House of Bourbon lent her ansustance to those colonies, and 'supported them with her arms, while we were in the field and . the issue doubtful. But God forbid that we should ever be guided by the come }Mlle,' ; if the contest were going on, he, for one, would not advise the S overeign to adopt the conduct he had followed ; but it could not be said that a force of not more than 200 men, and than blocked up, were competent to reduce the South American states to their limner dependence on Spain. The Noble lined had complained that his Majesty's Government had sent no Plenipoten tiary to these states; but he would ask whether there was a ('hilian or a Peruvian, who would not be better pleased by the dicta of Mr. ('animing, that this country would not allow of foreign inter ference laid which was also abjured by the Count de Pulignac, on [a . r d c of France), than by the appointment of a Plenipotentiary ? He lend G.) would admit that it was desirable to procure an acknow grown from Spain of the independence of these colonies; but he would again ask if it were becoming in l'.uliament, after he Mejesty had Pent a Coniminioner to one state, and Consuls to all, to take this question out of the King's hands. lie (1,17,1 L.) had seated this subject without reserve; he hail stated the situation in which this country was placed--he had wilted, that by the me -4E311011 of this country, a past of the provinces might have been pie eerved to Spain and, having shewn that by our geed will these rotes should not be trampled on, and that as we have hitherto kept ourselves unfettered, so we will eonnnue to keep ourselves, both as against Spain and against the Alliance. Ungenerous 1110_ tirol had been autibuted to the British Government; but it die _ C.2iipcil auy intention of s appoytioninc itself any of the Spa- nisi, Colonies. The explanation he now give i . was dne to the Noble Lord. This Government had made a communication to the several Courts, but had not as yet received any answer. He had rea son to know that that communication hail been received by one of the Courts. If the Noble Lord asked him if the States meant to go to Congress, he could not answer him ; all that lie could say was, that this country would be no party to such a Congress. The Noble 1;ar1 concluded by moving an amendment, expressive niche entire cont;tlenee felt by the !louse in the measures that had been taken r lilt regard to the (Armies of South America. ;gad ELLENEOIIOI;Iai said, that the Noble Earl seemed to have mistaken the object of his Noble Friend's motion alto. pc Cher. It ought never to be forgotten, that Spain was now in the hands of France, and the question was, whether we ought not. under those circumstanees, to recognise the independence of the Colonies. 31 uch stress had been laid on the abjuration of France as to any hostile measures against thou : but lie would ask, after the cit.-on:stances that hatlsreceutly taken plate in Spain, what re 11snce could be Ministers on any thing that I farce might say. Was it possible that Ministers mild he so completely blind as to put ar y faith in what that country might uge it they acre, he trusted titu House was not ; and he hoped that the House would adopt the motion of the Noble Marquis, as it would lelUi to the immediate recogratii n of the independence of the South American States. While this country was fighting side by side with Spain, it might have been necessary to support them in their hopes of subduing their revolted Colonies ; but all those feelings and incitements had long since ceased, and from the reinstatement of Fc:dinand, this country was absolutely free. The Noble Earl had admitted that the exertions of this country hail been put forward, not to secure the independence of South .kmeriea, hut to re-ronnect it .'"ith Spain. This was lint all; their Lordships could not forget. South .tnierica could not forget, that odious stretch of legislation—the Foreign E..listment Hill. This measure virtually supported Spain against South America. and filled every honest independent mind wi:h dotglist ; we withheld, as far as was in our power, the assistance which tuig'at have enabled South America to realise her independence. Nothing could more clearly demonstrate t':e odiousness of such a Rill, than that no man has as yet been base enough to enforce it; and in spite of the views of his 3 1 sty's l ios eenment our soldiers and sailors have been foremost in est:at:idling the independence of these States. Spain has now ro voice in the subduing of those Unimak's ; she is herself in the c. , otlaion of a conquered country ; ill her strong fortresses are gar. HOUSE OF COMMONS, MONDAY, MAacu 15. SCOTCH SALMON FISHERIES. Mr. W. DI'N DAS protented a petition from Fifeshire against the Salmon Fishery on the tatde, and ordered to be printed. Sir R. FERtiUSON presented a petition from Dysart against ..... .- • tlir Scotch Salmon 1 2 11411^ry Bill. — .131111:v Tl' NEGRO SLAVERY. 'N L. The following petitions were presented, praying for a repeal of the Combination Laws: by Lord STANLEY, from Illtckburn, and another place in Lancashire; by Mr. Law LEY, from the Tan ners, 6,c. of Birmingham ; by Mr. P. Moon E, from 7,1100 of The inhabitants of Holum ; by Mr. DAY i: N PORT, from the Tanners and Shoemakers of Macclesfield ; by Mr. JAMES, from the Shoe makers of Carlisle; and by Alderman %l'oou, from the Shoe makers of Ashton.untler-Lytie. The petitions were ordered to be laid on the table and printed. Similar petitions were presented by Mr. Ilonitorse from the Journeymen Printers of London ; and by Mr. Ilu ME, from the Journeymen Shoemakers of Plymouth, which were referred to the Artisans' Committee. Mr. LAW LEY brought in a Bill to regulate the assay of me. tals. and also stamped wrought plates in the town of Birmingham and its neighbourh.xxl.—head a first tinic. NEGRO SLAI'Eltr. The following petitions were presented, praying for the abolition of negro slavery :—by Sir W. Lemon, from the Mayor and Cnrpo. ration of the borough of Truro, in Cornwall by Lord Lowther, from the inhabitants of Appleby ; Isonl Dothan), from the in habitants of Beddestone ; by Sir C. Cole, from Neath: by Sir W. Dundas, from Edinburgh; by Mr. Alumlay, from nine parisfies in Derbyshire; by —, front Henley-on-Thames; by Sir .1. Astley, front Wiltshire; by Sir J. Sebright, from Royston ; by 3lr. Orenfell, from Plymouth ; by Mr. Sykes, from Kingston ; by —, from Quechsferry ; by Mr. Irodehouse, front ►ppleboroneh, in the county of Norfolk; by —, from Barnard Castle; by Mr. Gooch, iron. sundry persons in the county of Suf folk; by Alderman Wood, front Brentford and Roniford ; by Mr. Pelham, from the county of Norfolk; by Lord W. Ilentinck, front a parish in the county of Norfolk; by 3lr. Bennet, from l'rowbrittge; by Mr. Ileatheote, from 114)6(011; by Mr. A. Ellis, from the inhabitants of Northampton and other places; by Mr. It. Colborne, front Thetford ; by Iklr. B. Cooper, from 51nreton on.the-Marsh ; by Sir W. Guise, from Stroud; and by Mr. Deni son. from Dorking. The petitions were ordered to be laid on the table and printed. IH."f lES ON SILK. Mr. P. M(N)RE prtscnted a petition from the silk wearers of Coventry, praying that the Acts relative to the non-importation of silk might be repealed.— Laid on the table. Mr. EGERTON presented a similar petition from a person of Y stances, by a pure and simple acknowiedgineat of the itidependt ence of the Spanish Colonies, since, those countries being actual) distracted by civil wars, dun rotated no government in them which could otter any appearance of solidity ; and that the acknowledg ment of American independence, so long as such a state of things continued, appeared to him to be nothing less than a real sanction of anarchy." The second passage was obviously si milar in its tendency :—" That, in the interest of humanity, I and especially in that of the Spanish Colonies, it would be worthy of the European governments to concert together the means of calming., in those distant and scarcely civilized re gions, peesions blinded by party spirit; and to endeavour to bring back to a principle of union in government, whether 'WILDING OF CIIUR('IIES. monarchical or aristocratical, people among whom absurd and Mr. A BERCRI )3IBY presented a petition from the Chamber dangerous theories were now keeping up agitation and disunion." of Commerce of Edinburgh, complaining that his Majesty's Mi. He certainly thought that the language held by his Majesty's Mit linters had not remitted any of the Assessed Taxes ; and entreating Meters in these papers was, as he had before observed, worthy of that, if they did not mean to do so, they would not apply any por- I the country. The appeal to France was strong and manly ; it was tion of the public money to the building of churches— on on respectful too, as it regarded Spain, foe it gave her an opportunity t h e ta bl e . of gracefully recognizing the independence of a nation, whose in. BOUNTIES ON LINEN CLOT!!. dependence was not any longer doubtful. lie could not help hoping Mr. N(NAY presented petitions fmm the manufacturers, that the language of the Secretary for Foreign A,. wou ld a t l as t mill-sp i nners, En. at St. Andrews, Perthshire, Donaghadee, and Amu,. convince the French Ministry that concerning the truth of which other places, praying that, for the present, the reduction of the try bounties on linens might be only b per cent., and that they might before this time they cab old have been satisfied ; in this country principles, founded not in commercial advantages, not in mere not be altogether taken off until the year Ina, in order to enable national aggrandisement, but in sound and honourable feelings, the manufacturers to sell off their present stock : and that the dictated or.fy by a regard for justice, were held sacred. With the same indulgence should be extended towards nil cloths.--Laid on estimation that he had expressed, and that he most sincerely felt, t h e ta bl e . of the integrity and honest purpose of his Majesty's Ministers, he Sir R. FERGUSON presented three petitions from Cupar and should certainly vote for the Noble Earl's amendment. other places in lifeshire, praying that the withdrawing of the boun herd HOSEBERRY said he should detain the House for a few t i es on linen might be gruhtl. minutes, in stating the grounds of that decision which induced I Mr. HUSKInSON presented a similar petition from the ship. him, after much consideration, to support the motion of his Noble ; builders o f Li verpoo l . Friend (the Marquis of banselown). Ile felt that the objects which I SPIRIT RECTIFIERS. both the Noble Marquis and the Noble Earl had in view were pre - Mr. fIUME called the attention of the House to a petition he cisely similar. The only question, as it seemed to him was, as to held in his hand, from live individuals who were rectifiers of spirit in and near London. The petitioners stated, that although the law the time when a formal recognition of the independence of South declared that no distillers should be also rectiGen of spirit, several America should take place ; and he admitted that, on this subject , persona acted as both, and that as they had large stills for the pur. the Ministers of the Crown were likely to have the advantage of I hi s Noble Friend in point of information ; but he still thought that pose, they mon o p o lie e d th e t ra d e . The petitioners, therefore, considerable utility to the cause of South American independence hoped the House would take into consideration the propriety of li : must arise from a deliberate and temperate, hut at the same time censing only small stills. They also prayed for leave to change firm declaration of the sentiments, upon this momentous question, rum into gin, which process would be most useful to the West In dia Islands, and prevent the monopoly of three or four great distil of the House and of the country. The Noble Earl had called fur confidence in the Government, and be had produced the papers as !erica. lie (Mr. Bums) stated, thighs understood these circum proofs that they were deserving of it. Now he hesitated not to say stances cou ld b e roved Wore the House, and that the present pe that he gave, willingly and conscientiously, all that confidence to ' tition would have been signed by more persona, but that they his Majesty's Ministers, but he gave his vote for the motion of his were afraid to do so because tbeetwere so greatly dependent on the Noble Friend, because he thought it would be productive of bone- distillers. That part of the quaition which related to the interests tit to the Government ; it would show than the universal, and when of the %Vest Indies was of the utmost importance, because of the universal he Okla feria it the irresistible feeling of the people of I present low price of rum, and the distress of the islands altogether. England, was clearly opposed to the menaced interferertee—he hesi- He trusted that the Chancellor of the Exchequer would take the fated not to call it so ; and uo Noble Lord who had read these c:. • subject into his consideration. tracts, so judiciously cited by •he Noble Lord who spoke last, could Mr. E. ELLIt'E wished to draw the attention of the Right doubt that the disposition of the French Government was keenlr lion. Member opposite, to the question proposed by his Hun. bent on interference; therefore to suppress that r i s i ng s pi r i t , and Friend (Mr. Hume); his 3lajesty's Ministers had stated, and those to teach it a !neon of discreet submission, was the d it ty of the connected with the Ai'en Indies anticipated, a reduction on rum of House, and, in his opinion, that they would most effectually be : 13A. per gallon; but this was a very unimportant matter, unless perforated by the course suggested in the motion of his Noble means were adopted to extend the use of rum ; nothing else would Friend. For this reason simply he should g i v e hi s T ote in support . effectually serve the interests of the West Indies. The rectifiers of that motion. ' of spirits who presented the petition to the House had noticed the The Marquis of LANSDOWN replied. Be said, that after very extensive manner in which the trade was monopolized by the listening m o st anxiously and attentively to the speech of the Noble distillers. The duty on British spirits was Is. 83. per gallon, whilst Earl, ingenious and astute as it was in its distinctions, he could I that on runt did nut exceed Is. lid. • and he (Mr. Ellice) could not discover not one single occurrence that he had stated, even hypo- I conceive on what principle of free irade the West Indies were pre thetically, in which the recognition of South American indepent vented from entering on fair terms into the market. He saw no donce would produce the slightest injury or even inconvenience to reason why the consumer should not he allowed to purchase at a this country ; nor bad the Noble Earl stated a single reason for cheaper rate, nor why the West India Merchants should not have delay, fur that delay which he (the Martinis of Lansdown) had the same advantage as the British. Another serious consideration shown to have taken place on the subject of that recognition. Non should be the result to the revenue, from an increase in the impor more ; if the Noble Earl opposite, or any one of his Majesty s tation of rum. lie hoped the Gentlemen cennected with the West I Minister*, would then rise in his place, anti say that he thought, Indies, would look seriously into this subject; without some such measure, he (Mr. Ellice) thought the plan contemplated by his sincerely thought, that Spain would ever recognise willingly, that at all events she would recognise, in this otr generation, the in- Majesty's Ministers would produce little good. dependence of south America, he would withdraw his motion. Mr. J. BEN LTT cohceired that such a proceeding would be Such a tardy acknowledgment, when it did come, ter come it extremely dangerous to the interests of this country ; he would be must, when some eloquent young gentleman yet unborn was our anx i ous to promote i n an y way the welfare of the West Indies, Secretary of State for Foreign Attain. would be of little value for but ton at the expense of England. the South American Colonies to obtain, or ter this country to soli- 31r. W. S 3/ I ell complimented Mr. Hume on the utility of his cit. Having deeply . considered this question—havii.g had an op- exertions, but assured him that, in the present instance, he had portunity of inspecting, as all have had, the papers then by his been led astray. Ile (Mr. Smith) last Thursday conversed with a Majesty s order on the table of their House, lie was most per. person on the subject of the present petition, and had understood fectly convinced that the prosperity of these Colonies depended that the individual, whose name was the first on the list of those upon their immediate recognition ; that r.ot merely their in- who signed it, had not found any difficulty in procuring spirits feint,' but the interest of the whole community, was con- from the distillers in consemience of their monopoly, but because corned in that speedy recognition. He felt it as the incumbent he had not sufficient credit to procure any. duty of this country to lose not even a month or a week, aye, or a 31r. II U3IE otneaved, that the person alluded to was not the single day, in withholding tom South America that which he only one who signed the petition. But it mattered not who signed ' had clearly sliewn it was the obvious interest, as Well as the duty, it, provided the facts were true; and he had been informed that all of this country to grant. The Noble Earl had said that forms the assertions could be substantiated at the bar of the House. If alone were wanting—that tl:e substretinl recognition of her inde- they were true, the attention of the Chancellor of the Exchequer pendence had already taken place. But no one better knew than ought to be paid to the subject. the Noble Earl that these very forms were necessary for the effect air. W. SMITH was of opinion that the distillers were a most which they produced upon the wolf& What was intended by the useful class of the community, who contributed greatly towards the formal and solemn recognition of the United Stares? The acknow- increase of the revenue; an d were more to be trusted than any ledgment of their independence was adopted with a solemnity be . personsconnected with other branches of the sante manufacture. fitting the occasion, and it was adopted to give her a proper station Mr. ELLIS, in reply to an observation from Mr. Benett„ said in the eyes of Europe and the world ; aye, and to give her a that he did cot want the landed interests of Great Britain tube in. confidence in her own importance. Upon these grounds he saw jured in order to serve the West Indies ; but he thought it fair to nothing to render the proposed proceeding unadvised, and he should attend to the objects of each. dieretne press the original motion to a division, not as a question Sir R. FERGUSON trusted that the Chancellor of the Excite upon which there was any division of sentiment, but to express, as quer would take the subject into his consideration. had been well stated by the Noble Lord who had preceded him, the The petitien was ordered to be laid on the table and printed. feelings of the House anal thne of thecouniry on that very import. 1111 W AND SKIN BILL. ant subject. Mr. LA WLEY rose to ask the !'resident of the Board of Trade The (louse then divided, when the numbers were— whether his attention pad been draws to a Bill, panne. througl; For the Motion .34 I Against it - I Majority -81 the House as a erivate Bill, under the title of the Ilideand Skin The House adjourned at Half-past Nine o'clock. Bill ? Ile lIUSKISSON said, he mu aware that the Bill alluded to by the Honourable Member had been brought in most improperly as a private Bill. Ile confessed that he was not so conversant with its provisions as he perhaps ought to he; but from the perusal he had given it, it seemed to Min that its framers had begun at the wrong end. (hear, hear.) Instead of adding fresh restrictions to she trade, in his opinion, those already imposed ought to be re moved. (Hear, bear.) CRUELTY TO ANIMALS. Mr. ROBROUSE presented a petition from the inhabitants of Bromley and How, in support of the Cruelty to Animals Bill. Laid on the. table. DUTIES ON TOBACCO. Mr. 'IR 111 II T presented a petition from the importers of tobacco and snuff of the city of Bristol, praying for a reducuon of the du ties on these articles—Laid on the table. IN:5( /LYE:NT DEBTORS' ACT. Mr. BRIGHT presented a petition front the inhabitants of !Iris tol, in favour of the new Act relative to Insolvent Debtors.—Laid on the table. Mr. W. SMITH said, he held in his hand a petition numerous ly signed, from the city of Norwich, praying for the gradual abo lition of slavery. It had been assumed that these petitions were the work of a few wild, visionary, mad-headed fanatics. I f the sub scribers to that petition deserved that appellation, he was proud to rank himself in their number. Ile was desirous that his Majesty's Ministers should clearly indicate, that if they forbore from noticing what had lately proceeded from a few parishes of Jamaica, it was from pity and not from fear. (Hear, hear, hear.) 31r. W. T.tYLOR contended, that to his knowledge the peti tions against negro slavery were circulated through the country in a prepared state, by itinerant missiunarieri. The honest unsuspect ing people were asked whether they liked slavery ? Their answer was immediately--No. (Hear, hear.) They were then asked whether they were friendly to cruelty, injustice, and oppression ? They answered naturally—No. (Hear, hear.) They were then wkeil whether they would sign a paper to redeem thousands of their tellow-creatures hem that miserable condition, and they replied— Yes. (Hear, hear, hear.) In this manner signatures were cer tainly, tolhis knowledge, he repeated, obtained to the petitions. As the whole question would come on to-morrow for discussion, he would not go further into the subject at that moment. Mr. O. lIENNE'f said, that none but those who had abuses to conceal need feel apprehension at investigation. lie knew the worthy individual to whom the lion. Siemher alluded as an itinerant missionary, and he knew a more honourable man did not exist in the world. It was too much for any Hon. Gentle man, whether belonging to the East or West India interest, to denounce worthy men for their efforts in the cause of humanity. Mr. W. TAYLOR denied that the ilon. Gentleman opposite was entitled to claim exclusively all the liberality and humanity. When he addressed the House before, his object was to promo against the attempt that was making to overawe the House by petitions, which, he repeated, to his knowledge, were most in— properly got up, in order that his Majesty's 31inistere might after wards be told—" You must grant this question, because the people of England require it." Mr. Secretary PEEL earnestly implored the House to suspend the discussion of this great question until to-morrow. It was ex ceedingly desirable that they should then enter upon it in the most dispassionate temper. He hoped, therefore, they would stitily the debate to terminate at present, and await the propositions which his Right Hoes. Friend (Mr. Canning) intended to submit to , morrow. • teemed by Frew,' . trotipe, and es present aspect was mesa terrific the mane of 'Thomas Steele, of Stockbu r rn„—letid on the table ' - • The petite* was ordered to be printed. i,ieeil ; Indeed the moderation evincell by the illustrious leader of Other petitions were presented, by Mr. Littleton , front the the French erne , % made the conquest the more dangerous, as it had county of Staffed ; and by e aptain Percy, front the town of Stant. .BEER AND MALT DUTV. cempletely struck at the Wilt or its independence ; there was no- I fond ; against the repeal of the duties on silk. Mr. MA BERIX then mse e pereuant to notice, to bring forward them to cheek this but the speeches in Parliametit, and the beer.' Laid on the table and ordered to be printed. his motion respecting the beer and:malt ditty. When the subject t'VeS 01 . the press. Tee Noble Lord concluded with a moat eh , - LICENCE DI" I'l ES. had come iteder discussion before, little argument had been offered que it and poetical iLseription of the country and its inhabitants, A petition was presented by Mr. Davenport, from the innkeepers against hint ? lie rested his motion entirely on the principle, that an t i e!triteirltt I`ll this country the policy that dictated its cementing and licensed victuallers of the town of Nantwieh, praying for a I one class ought not to be weed at a higher nee than another, and a shove alitenee with it, I,lllel/fl)(hnt of any consideration of the repeal of the licence duties. Shutter petitions were presented by , that the partite, taxed ought not to be those who could leant afierd Emopean rowers. Ile ennlielly gave his vote in support of the 31r. ‘Vhitbread, from several innkeepers and licensed victuallers ' it. (Heer, hear.) As it might be expected that the subject would reef „'t of the .I.ot-Ie et ere ee. of the county of Middlesex ; by Capt a in Bastard, from the inn- ! embrace a variety of Acts of Parliament branching front the main Lord ('.t LTI: l 111 PE thought that the papers laid on the table keepers cf Davenport ; by Sir W. Ingleby, from the licensed vie. • question, he would state et once what was the motion he intended did neve+ termite! or the Foreign Secretary, atel reflected on the mallet's of Lincoln; and by Me I Seeieon, front the innkeepers and to Submit. lle was aware that it would be seppoecel he It as about cm eery a: erre, Ile ;eel note confident e in the part that that licensed victuseltirit of St. elary's, Ie +Minh. to go into a complicatiel detail of considerations but he would con- I I oune ',need rate, and :deo in theme:mune that wood lie !tureen!! The petitions were ordered to be laid on the table and printed. fine himself to One branch only, namely—the duty of the Douse to by hie el tie-et y'e I i.ovenulicnt ; lie placid: reit:mac on the language I COAL III: TIES. do justice to the panne taxed. Ili% motion would be fir ••:. tenni that they held. but net in the language hell by the M iniseirs of I Sir J. SEM:Mill' preoeited a petion from the inhabitants of mittee to inquire into the present mode of raising the tli.tet4 011 mad; France, and it was nietesite that Government should use much Royston, playlet; for a reduction of the duties on coal carried neat- and beer separately ; tied whether it would not be expedient to eel. emit ion in coeiperating with any European Gen mincer in wise. Laid on the table. leet the same amount on malt alone, by an equal duty on all panics the steps that were taken welt regard to these Ctilonies.l UNINHABITED HOUSES. alike, instead of a duty of eierkl. per bushel on reme malt con- Althotteh much bad been said of the forbearance of France. Lord STANLEY presented a petition Irons the inhabitants of eumerseattil lee Hied. per bushel on others; an!l instead of a duty of lie could not ides clinking that that mederetion arose from a the town tit : Rochdale, praying for a repeal of the tax on uainhabited ett.Beil. per barrel on some beer consumers and Iss. lied. per barrel knowledge in France diet the people of Spain of the King's party • houses.—Laid un the table, and onlered to be printed. on offsets, for the sante quantity of melt and bear?" It would be' were acted upon by a spirit of higo'ry and fanaticism. The. view ASSESSED TAXES. naturelly expected that he should prove that this great inequality they ought to take of the issue of that contest, wits not whether this I Me LEG It K ECK presented a petition from an individual named existed, and when he had proved that tact he calculated that he t e tuntri heed acted rightly et rot in the part she maintained in the Thomas Thompson, of the town of Ashby de la Zouch, against could not tail of mimeos with his motion, as he was sure it must be ceetroverey. Teat was lint the question, lie coll.' not help think- the window tax. the lint wish of the House that the duty should operate honestly Mg that the meleretioe of Hence had arisen from eircion- I Sir G. CLERK presented a petition from the inhabitants of the ,and fairly on all cheeses alike. The present duty on malt was stence: this country no: haw g held the newel itdlttence at Verona southern district of Edinburgh, praying for a repeal of the 24. eel. per bushel, or IL per queerer of eight bushels. This was which she was so W 1 .9 l'lltiti'd to maintain. Ile was finely per. - window tax. the only duty paid by private brewer., who paid no duty whatever seeded that the niccleration of France originated ruttier in her un- I Mr. lit ME hoped that, when the question came before the on their beer after it was brewed. There was another class of con decisive and ti te teaerig seine. She knew not whether thespirit of Ilouse, the lion. Ituronet would Le retold in his place, to support Fitment who, through the public brewer, paid a very different duty. -• at last eehibit itself. lied the issue of that the prayer of his constituents. The public brewer ,aid an addition duty of les. per barrel, which, ieptince, to interfere with the policy of fortiien I Ordered to lie on the table. and be printed, estimating .1.1 barrels of strong beer to be the produce of every it that the papers on their Lordships' tablet DUTI Lis (IN HUM. quarter of malt, amounted to 11. les. per quarter, which, added to had miler been excited arid encouraecil by : Mr. A. CAMPBELL presented a petition from several planters the fanner ditty, made the public brewer liable altogether to • duty for if the object of Frenee was to tranquil- and merchants connected with the West belies, praying for a re- of 21. les. per quarter, or, as he had already stated, 6s. IO)d. per tad invaded, never hie there been a more thicion Melte duties on rune—Laid on the table, bushel. This, he contended, was an act of die greatest injustice. tree were two paragraphs in the papers, clearly ; DUTIES (IN IVOOL. On one class of comment the duty was 2s.e& per bushel, on the ire of interfereece hail not died away. lie Sir HAM LIDI NfiE presented a petition from the worsted spin- other his. Bled. 'l'he duty on beer brewed by private brewers he ignite declaring in these terms, which were not ners and others of the county of I /minim, praying for a repeal of calculated not stand thus :—He estimated each quarter, or 8 bushels, octet than as a vindication of the right of one the duties on wool.—Laid on the table. of malt to be capable of brewing el barrels of strong beer. The th the interval regulations of another. The Mr. LA 3111 TON presented a petition from the worsted spinners duty on a quarter of malt was 11., which, divided by 3e, the num h he referred was the following:—•• That he and others of the mien of Darlington, against the exports/eon of bee of barrels capable of being brewed from it, left se. lid. as the bat could lie meant, under the preeeet cireeme Brinell Zeng wool.—laid on the table. amount of duty per barrel on strong beer brewed by private brewers. ...: it .. "..,Clll PIK' wow My In a.l Pliatieti tilnl the itiedera decisive and tilettiazir; k i England would tint a war iert France less dis nations? lie thought ‘.. , y ' is , r . o r vel t h at , : c,.t..., , i. i that . 4 .pint pai.i . I e , li-s. the country bil" lii etf,•:tual Giber!. Tl,c, prtiving that that de%ii foil td the Count l' fo ,, iii;i: I. .„.Tivise to be interpn nation to interfere with tiro pnaaarte to which mould Dot ct•neeive who ....• but, in his opinion, one the Many instances which sheered t he m had before w al as ludt. fsaent x' Aft l e?a le rep i e l trtion isisstsg of the !caddie An sop t" e a ' hich• his speech, the Honourable Member concluded with t h e nentem which we have given above. The CHANUELIAM of the EXCHEQUER was not to admit that the discussion of the subject in the course of C ared , was as inefficient as the Honourable Gentleman had stated it to be, The votes of the gentlemen opposite certainly chewed their disc. tisfaction, but a large majority of the House expressed a very dif. &rent opinion, and seemed satisfied with the reasons which he had urged in justification of his views. Since then lie had heard nothing to alter his opinion. Ile did not pretend to say he had any newi light on this subject, nor could he flatter himself that he was trigs. nious enough to discover wine additional reason to justify his ore. ohms, every time they were called in question by the Honourable Gentlemen . opposite. The two main grounds of the Honourable Gentleman s proposition were, first, his anxiety fm nos '"ur ; and, soondly, the justice of equalizing the duties. lie (Mr. 31 ) sad that the present division of the taxes upon beer and malt, caused an additional expense in the eollectime, and that in point of justice they should not relieve the rich at the expense of the poor. As to the expense of collecting being as cued, it was a fallacy, as he stated last year before. The tsr, was this—the Excise Officers were not charged with collect ing one duty only; they collected the duties on malt, sop, candles, and all such other duties as came within their provioce, and hence it would be impossible to tell what the collectitm 16.745.757 any single duty actually colt. Each individual collected the mim e , In order to estimate the enormous extent of the unequal burden laid duties assigned him, and a general charge of collection was all on the labouring classes, he would suppose that the 10,532,623 that could be obtained. He had bent his attention to this subject, bushels of malt consumed by private brewers, were consumed by but he had not as yet been able to discern any means of calculating them in the same relative proportion of strong and table-beer as by the precise expense of collecting any single duty. The Han . ! the public brewers. lie found then that the private brewers must Alenkber scented to think that a large sum could be saved Mr the have brewed 3,949,733 barrels of strong beer, which, had it paid the tratiference of the beer duty to that of malt ; but he (Mr. 31e. enormous duty levied on the public brewer, would have yielded to berly) seemed to forget, that the very transference would be at the revenue a sum of 1,974,V161.101. This sum had been saved by tended with expense. The lion. Gentleman said "No ;" but how the Members of that House and the landed interest. The proportion could he assume that ? if the duty on malt were increased, the of table-beer brewed by the private brewers was 1,222,537 barrels, greater would be the ingenuity to evade it,and that of itself sentikl which, at 2a per barrel,would have yielded to the revenue a sum of render an increased establishment necessary to prevent it. The 122,1.131. The total sum thus saved by the private brewers was duty on beer last year was about three millions, the quantity of 2,107,0191. The working classes of the community now paid nearly malt used about tosentynieven bushels, and if only ?a. a 3,01.1001101.0 f duty on this article, and if any doubt were enter- bushel were laid on that, there would he a defiriency in the re . rained upon the subject, he was prepared with documents to venue of about 3110,0001. !fere then were two objections to the prove it. In 16'23, the quantity of strong beer brewed was motion of the lion. Member. It was said, however, that the present 6,212,7 U barrels; of table beer, 1,621,103 barrels; and of that duty was unequal, and, abstractedly viewing the question, it ' intermediate beer, said to be so good for the public, 6,892 barrels might be so. Undoubtedly the malt was charged with a higher duty, This small quantity was brewed by 55 people. and to produce this, which was sold in beer, than that used home-consumption ; what was called an experiment, this !loam had violated all just but then, looking at the practical effect of that difference, it and fair legislation. The amount of duty collected on a portion of enabled ie fanner and the ituinulacturer in the country to have a this quantity was 3,270,2051., without deducting any thing in the good article at a cheap price ; and it besides had the novel effect of shape of abatements, but by merely transferring the duty to the keeping that large class of persons from the public-houses. If, one article of malt. There would be a saving to the public, in the then, that system were changed, an injury would be done to such collection alone, of above 290,0061. Ile contended that the poorer, persons. which should be avoided when it was possible. The the labouring classes, were paying a duty of. 2,300.0001. upon their lion. Gentleman, all through his speech, talked of only two classes, consumption of beer, while the rich only paid 2,100,11001. lie the rich and the poor, which he (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) trusted that after such a statement, in which he could prove such thought not only unfair, but unwarranted. In this metroop , lis, an inequality, that a Committee would be appoint , and that where so many of the nobility and gentry resided—when: there the Right lion. the Chancellor of the Exchequer would not oppose were so many opulent persons in trade, the brewers' Leer was it. The great objection to the present ax was its inequality ; i:s consumed, which paid the higher duty ; and the same thing appli e d_ pressure was not the same on the rich and the poor. He to all the persons residing in country towns, who were at ell in did not ask that the poor should be exonerated from easy circumstances; so that evidently, when the Honourable Gen their fair share of the duty; but if any favour were to he tleman marshalled the rich against the poor, he was exaggerating shown, they were intitled to it. lie thought it peculiarly indeli- the degree in which the higher duty pressed upon the poor. He cate that the landed interest should exonerate themselves by their (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) by no means argued that a tax influence in this !Muse, while the poorer classes were paying an pre sr was good because it prevented • freed to the injury of the undue proportion. Porter had now become almost a necessary of consumer; but if the Hon. Gentleman only went to shift the item life to the working classes, and every means should be devised of of charge, his principle fell to the ground. If the consumer. by letting them have It of as good a quality, and at as cheap a rate, as such a change, was deprived of any incidental benefit, it would possible. lie had another objection to the division of duty on beer he an argument against that special mode of dealing. th oug h and malt. inasmuch as it created a double expense in the collet - it formed no argument against taking away the whole tax. tion. The whole duty on beer, if transferred to that on malt, Frauds are seldom detected by the nicety of the taste, but far could be collected on the duty on malt alone, and whether the duty ortener by the vigilance of the Excise. With respect to the measure was 2s. lid. or 4%. fid. not na additional Excise Officer would be of last year. great ridicule had been thrown upon it ; but, he was required ; for all each would have to do was to write 45. 6d. instead free to say, he never expected from it very great results ;it wutried of Yet. lid. The charge for collecting theduty on malt was 163, MM. ; as a matter of experiment; and he was not insensible to the obi::. on beer, n 5,9271.; and surely no one would contend that such clone which might he urged against every sys em of taxation which an unfair system did not demand investigation. Such an extra produced restrictions. Ile had applied his attention in this einijcet, charge for collecting the ditty was uselea, it was worse, it was and he hoped he should be shortly able to offer some proptuithm om oppressive. Ile was aware he would be met on this head by that subject. Ile knew that this was no answer to the lion. tier.. the Chaneeflor of the Exchequer stating, %hat though these Oman's motion, nor did he intend it as such • he only ennitimed charges appeared to be incurred by the collecting of the du. it by the way. The question for the consideration of the Ileum ties on beer and malt; yet that the real state of the charge now was, not whether a duty should be taken off, but whether it was totally different. Then, admitting it for the moment to be en, should ba transferred. Ile thought it unwise to tranener a duty to he contended such an admission, of itself, challenged enquiry. hie araw material, and be should, therefore, decidedly resist the pre. liontsurabl Friend, the 31einher for Aberdeen, had had a conver- sent 'notion. sation with the Commissioners on this subject, and they stated to Mr. II U E valet he had listened with great attention to the oh him, that a fair apportionment was made of the expellees attending jectintix advanced by the Right lion. Gentleman. and felt con& the collection of those duties, and that the sums he stated were the dent they did net overthrow the arguments of his lion. Friend. proportion of expense which their collection incurred. In the na- He had labnered. in his opinion, most unavailingly to answer that pen before the Howse (though not yet printed), he found a melon. part of his friend's argument which referred to the collection of the random, or rote, the purport of which was—that the charges for duties. The Right lion. Gentleman says the expense of the end. collecting thee: duties, se stated on the face of the returns, were lection would be the same even if the measure proposed by his lion not correct ; that the exact charge for collecting any of the duties Friend Was curio', as the number of revenue officers to iscie disirict specified could not be given ; but that as the greatest amount col- would still be the same. This appeared to him • strange assertion, lected was from beer and malt, so in the item of charge they were and he would be glad to talc the Commineioners of Excise a simple apportioned with the greatest amount. The note concluded by question, which he was sure would be answered affirmatively. The stating, that there was no ditty on beer in Ireland. In Ireland the question would be this, if they did not in each district so distribute duty was transferred from the beer to the malt ; the consequence the officers as to apportion their time to their labour, and tberenre of which was, that the consumption of beer was greater, that the if there were parts of the time in which these indiviittals had to duty was better paid, and that such an arrangement gave the most employment, it was evident the expense of keepirg up these general satisfaction. In order to collect the doom on beer, and in officers sass useless. If revenue officers, under the system pro. order, as it was said, to obviate the frauds which were practised, it posed by his Honourable Friend. were prevente d from atterthog became necessary to pose a new Act of Parliament ; and so late at breweries three or tour hours each day. or every other day, as the first and second of his present Majesty such a law was it was, in his opinion, clear that so much expense should be passed. A harsher law, or one more unjust, or one more un- saved. \rich regent to the number of the reductions to take newouarily restrictive of trade , was never perhaps passed in place in the di,:r cis, the oaring no doubt would being' but it that House. It had no sooner pulled, howeim, thin the Scotch brew. was, lie thought, impossible UP say to what precise ameent it en ap ed against it. They stated they could not carry °albeit would euiend : in his opioion, his Honourable Friend was trade were continued, and that the first Intimation they had of warranted in the statement that the additional 2-. a bust el week its existence, was when the Excise officers came into their premises amount to 200,0001. This was the sum which he saw by the es to act upon it. Three very respectable gentlemen, the Scotch com. thuates, was; the amount, he made no doubt, tartly expended. Aeto missions:Ts as we understood, 3teutrs. PIMA, Fotheriughun and the inequality complained of by his Hon. Friend, it was not all dim Ruse, gave it as their opinion, that the duty on beer should be trans- puted. It seemed to he utterly forgotten by the House, that wie fared to that on malt, and he hoped that his Majesty'.Dlinisterswould third, or one-fourth of the beer was consumed by the poorer flees : listen totheir suggestion, and attend to the health and comfort of his the entire quanthy was not used in boadon. if the quartity Majesty's subjects. Ile did not however think it was at all ne. of the liquor consumed was inquired into, it would be ascertained cessary for them lemislate upon what the subject was to buy, for that the bulk of the persons were the consumers of porter at the he most be conceiveerthe best judge of what suited his palate and great ditty. Any regulation would, in his opinion, be unavailing. his pocket. The Scotch brewers he should have added, state that it the rich man were allowed to drirk this malt-liquor at a cheaper they could not carry on their trade, unless some alterations were rate than the poor mad. It would be but consistent with the chr madain which event they contemplated security to the revenue, the ratter of the !louse—it would be but consistent with juetice—thet diminution of smuggling, and an almost certain encream of con- all classm of the people should be enabled to purchase their liqui r sumption. After a long discussion on the subject, they received an upon equal terms,. If the tax were taken completely . off the answer from Mr. Imehington, stating that the regulations of breweries, he felt convinced, from the increased quant ity of the the first and second George the Fourth, chap. 22, were ne- beer, that there would be no diminution in the trade. or in the ccesary for the protection of the revenue, and that the Lords revenue derived fro:n it. He thought the Right Honours's/II of the Treason could net consent to the alterations which were Gentleman dial net deal fairly with the extracts produced by his prayed for. The only pretence for continuing these regulations Honourable Friend., with whom he decidedly agreed, that the in was the security of the revenue; and he con.ended that the revenue creased consumption of the article would amply make up foe could be touch better collected, and be fees onerous to the people, any loss of revenue that was feared : stilt lens End the ageism!. if these regulations were altered in the manner he had already tural interests any cause of fear; for he was sure that the etl. stated. The restrictions upon making beer in all its stages were couramment given to the growth of barley would make up for wholly unnecessary. The Lords of the Treasury too took upon the inc.eased duty that may WI upon them : therefore, the va upon themaelvat to fix the prices of two sorts of beer, and said to jection, a applied to this interset, was not nue. The argument the consumers, "You shall only have those two sorts, at such a used by the It:ght Honourable Centlenian was true, mat the price." If the principle were right as to beer, why not apply it to charges imposed noon dererent articles, to render them efficient, spirits and wine? If they were to guide the palate, to regulate the should be. equal ; anti he theught the feeling of the licuse on this price, and consult the comfort of the people as to beer, why not in subject sh o uld he corclueive. Ile remembered how the expreentn the cases of tea and sugar? But no. no such thing. For himself, of the Right Ilonouruble I:inflation wits cheered, when lie declared he had no objection that the people should be guarded as much as that since taVi!ion was necessary, it should be so impsond as to possible against frauds, but as to prices, they ought to be allowed weigh equally upon all. It this argument were true on all other to judge for thenvelyee. Why, if Ministers regulated he price of matter, why net e d u ally so UrOn malt ? Ile could conceive no beer, (lid they not also regulate the prices of calicoes woollen, and difference. if, therefore, the Right lion. Gentleman Tithed other goods? I Mon two sorts of beer they set a mornsum price, to act upon his own principles, he won't' not stop his Hon. Fried, on one of 2e. on the other of em. The table.beer brewers then nor would betake any exceptions to the manse lie was pursuing. fie memorialized to he allowed in raise the price of their article to gds. ( sir. ill must smite his regret that his Hon. Friend inthmted the but they were not favoured with an answer. In the interim nail 'Mum what he would do in the I ',nominee. 'late incqualuy of the , and hops rise—still no answer; end what was the result? that tax was admitted, and though its injusnee was denial, it appeared under the colour of beer the people were drugged with trash. to him to be the best policy to have all the tax,', equal. Those who 'l'he loss to the brewers was great, but no one believed that' unancsi for the unequal system of taxation !night levy the tax upon they would not in some way or other cover it : mid they did beer, and theme who preferred the equal plan might, if they wished, so, by lessening the quantity of mutt in their beer. The cast to have it raised upon malt. One goes] result would follow from hislion. the brewer of six barrels and three quarters of beer amounted Friend's motion : all breweries would be tree from the visits of the to 71. lOs., and the produce was 61. Ilea. leaving a loss to hint of caatotn-house officers. would he a most beneficial measure. 12s. 6•1. on every st barrels of beer which he brewed. But, in This step had been taken with regard to the brewcriest in Ire. point of fact, the public really sufl'en:d this loss. One of the argil- land, and consequences of the most beneficial meure had fol , mints against his plan was, that it would be wrong to place beige lowed. If this Pleasure WWI useful io Ireland. why should it oat duties on one article: but then, during the war, the duty on malt he practised here? The 31initics hail acted upon this plan in Im was es. Mll e , besides the duty on beer. What greater difficulty land either advisedly or unadvisedly; he had Its doubt aft heir act then could there be now in collecting the duty of 4s fkl., than ing advisedly, and he csmezted the same system wonld tee acted during the war of ne. nele. ? In tart, he had been informed by per- upon hem, tor the sake of consistency. The Hight lion. t tenth's sons hilly coneersant with this subject, that regalatiors nowt be man should change his argument. fie tells his lion. Friend he made by which the impossibility of committing frauds could lie approves of his principle. and yet he refuses him en inquire. Ile obtained ; and that again would form a prone" subjec: for the in- prevents hint from receiving information. semi in so doing tie acts vsapgation of a Committee. It was also suited that the farmers, ln opposition to his own principles:. II:e will not allow a cenin•tt. who paid no duty on beer, gave it as pert of their wages to their tee upon the advice of experienced persons. lie gave his decided labourers; and he thought the farmers should have no such right. aupp , rt to the motion, and he hoed the li.mee, if they did rot No class of persons should be exempted from the duty, as a means assent to the argurecoen of his Hon. Friend this year, would he of enabling, them to pay their labourers. It' the manunicturete set pemered to assent to them the next. up such a claim, he knew it would at once be %cowed ; and 1.'41r V. - 01)E1101ISE did not mean to deny the inequality ef the the farmer: were only allowed to do see because Ministers, tax, but thee argument advanced ly the lion. Mentheo with shank were absolutely afraid ee the landed interest, else the system wool.' the notice originated was erre,r. that moat of the bar have long since been put an end to. It was also said by the Right I brewed 11012 contemned by the poor and indigent. These may rot he Bonaurable Gentleman, that he did not like to make ary changes his precise words, but he weelti appeal to the Homo ie r; , t until the Scotch and Irish duties were regulated ; that regulation I not the valor of his argument.-1 Mr. Malterly said •• No. 110...1.-. was now made; and lie again contended, that the result was a I age t lie would also nereal tee the I louse if the lion. ember heal r , : revenue anti an increased consumption. Ile had heard that rat- I said the Chancellor of the Exe Meitter was particularly altaehtel mount were abroad, stating that the duties on beer would be' this tax, int:Deflect( by a tare compliance with the feelings of equalizsl ; but whether that were the case or not, the present I herded interest Ile would appeal to the House if this were rate. question could not be affected by it. If the duties were etpialized, I purport of the llon.3lember's argument. The llomMcniber last Sff• toe person who could afiiird to buy beer by the batrel would save ; sum used a magnificent expression reaperting the landed int.rest. lie five shillings: but the poor man who was compelled to take table I snid he would expose them. For his eats he told the 11,in. 31ereer beer, would not be one whit improved. The plain truth seemed that if any benefit eras to be derives! from it, he would he justi:led to him to be, that the Chancellor of the Exchequer felt the in- lin doing so. Ile had given notice of motion upon this very , Ob• eeptality and injustice of the existing system ; but he feared, if IT Whirl!, on account of the illness of the liiaht lion. Geille war; attempted to change it, that the country gentlemen would assail i he had not linnight fortenrel ; but which he left open to Ter , .g him in the lobby, and not let him pass till he quieted their appre- : upon any ocensien he might thief: proper. He knew the (folk: 1 ' 1 ' hensions. Ile (Mr. Maberly) highly approved of the new system • tics of the Ministers. and they might fail in rentilVing prenle'et% acted on by the Right Honourable Gentleman, and his Right I whilst they were endeavouring to amend the hews. f lee Ilan. Honourable Friend (3lr. Iluskisson), and he gave them his full Member touched lightly on the subject of penalties attached to the meaaure of praise; but he asked, where were they to atop, on what malt trade ; to fact nothing could he more muumuu. than these V: mound. and when ? They preposed to deal out a liberal policy,a nattiest. By the plan. as it stall at present, the first payment 01 upon such articles as linen, silk, and wool ; and why not give the ; the malt deity was made payable in the mouth of October, and it benefit of a similar principle to beer? It any class of society were was desirable that the !mean capitalist should bring his article to to be exonerated from the payment of duty. it should be the poorer the best market possible. This would he a total orpossibilitv classes, who certainly did not find many advocates in this Home. the plan of the lion. 31ember were acted upon. [Here Mr.,la' If the Right Honourable Gentleman did not make some alteration herly, amidst cries of '' Ort!er," eOilitlaiiird of being misnn 4 , _ e e l " relative to the beer duties, he would be decidedly acting in oppo.; stood by the Ilnuourable thither, as lie spoke of penalties attu ne ' , nation to his own !Mend principles. If the duties on beer were not to molt, but to deleterious drugs.] 'I lie Honourable Member eleualized, as he had said before, every man would Pith it his palate contined— th at he opposed th e . measure last Session, and be and his pocket ;in fact, the Government should never legislate upon thought him I 1 el to propose soitiethieg better. lie did " prices, which ought to be always left free. Another advan:sge as are of the ermneona experiment mule by the Government. Time would result from such a !Isom, namely, that the skill of the motion ne,,el. , by the Bon. 31entber heel completely (Piled. a nd btewer would also be lett Ire:. It had often been said, when the trusted the Right Hun. (tootle:man world, on Friday. noun '-- question of reform was aoiteted, that no reform was nescess:,ry ; respecting the article as it affected the consumers ' The duty paid by the plate brewer, or rather by the labouring classes who consumed the public beewer's beer, stood thus : The duty on a quarter of malt wet . . LI 0 0 The additional duty 00 3i bane* the produce of a quar ter of malt , at lits. per barrel, was . . I IS 0 Making a total duty per quarter of - 2 15 0 which, divided as before, by three and a half, the number of bar rels brewed from the quarter, raised the duty that fell on the con sumer to 15s. Bid. per bar rel. (Hear, hear.) By the return of malt duty received in England and Scotland, in 1823, it appeared that the total amount of malt consumed was 27,268,100 bushels. Of this amount he calculated that 16,755,757 bushels were con sumed in breweries, distilleries, and vinegar works. There re mained, therefore, for private brewers, a consumption of 10,532,623 bushels. It was necessary to state how he arrived at these conclu sions. He had founded them on the returns laid on the table of the House, but not printed, stating the quantity of strong beer brewed last year to be 6,212,744 barrels, which he calculated was equal to a consumption of 14,200,557 bushels. The return of table-beer was 621.100 barrels, which he calculated was equal to a consumption of 1,995,200 bushels. He believed he overrated the consumption of the vinegar works of England and Scotland at 560,000 bushels. His whole calculation stood thus : Consumee for strong beer - - 14.200,557 bushels. table beer - 1,995,200 vinegar 560,140 V i I PA