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•••• • . • . . • people. Tt mode die erlinialitenats of junk* odious instead of awful-..and rendered those who were condemned to death objects if fel ‘ low-feellug, and almost ..r affection." It wee sea ponde r w r y *sold receive such a Petition from the tow* of Liverpool. the comity of LlMCagler being tree of those districts in which forgeries most generally prevailed. To that Petition, so remarkable for tbe soundness of the proselytes laid down is it, sad far the peapiesiity wish which they were stated, he beg *al to call the particul ar a tt en ti on o f the Flntise. (The Learned Gendarme he,. reed the Petition presented from the town of Laurence, a few ev en . j og s sis•ce, calling en the Howse to impair, into the mauls of preventing the forgery of Bank of Eug. land notes—amd expressing their determination, if their prayer was not complied with. to institute country banks, the notes issued from which were rarely forged.]—Liverpool, imastiused the Learned Gentlemen. was the wend commercial town in the empirel-and„ at a meeting of men. chants, comprising gentlemen of all political*. itions—a meeting at which enemy of the supperams of the Right Hon. Gentlemen took aa active prat+ it was agreed, if some remedy were net devised, that recourse should be had to, traisoray hawks. A Petition coming from seek • ghee ought to have great weight with the !bias. The et that town, since the isulteraduele 171" had favoured the paper of the Batik of England to such a degree, the country banks were sloven ens.. tinily banished. But such was their souse of this artist rail. that they had overcome their poiudloo. end declared. if it were not mitigated thud the would have recourse to cou n try bank.. When such a body called on the House of Commons, as the Great Council of the Nation, to discuss this point—. when they said, that. to remove the evil, they would give up Bank of England notes—the House of Commons could not, with impunity to its charac ter, refuse to attend to their observations. He felt himself more seriously impressed with the import• ante of this question, ie consequence of basing read the summary. prepared at the Boast °ace. of the state of crime for the last seven years. It was a most nselaischoly statement. It Agora, on increase of crime. which no real well-wisher of the country could see without the deepest regret and alarm. No (account of defeat in war—no statement of the fuilure of finance—could affect • person, who knew the tree foundation of national greatness, so touch rs this shocking detail. It appeared from it that the number of .capital executions (and every thing else corresponded), from 1805 to 1911. amounted to 390-. and, from 1911 to ISIS, to Mr being one-eighth of the number of persons area demised to capital punishment. So that the re turns afforded a correct standard of the rate of increase of crime in England. He did sot mesa to ergo.. that the quantity of crime in a coo,- try was a fair criterion of its morals. Countries, where the people were possessed of great euergies-- where speculations were iinuseroas—where tempts.. lions ion eousequence abounded —were, of course, characterised by a greater degree of crime than those nations which hail little spirit, and which tould scarcely he said to exist. But it by no means followed that the general morals of the latter were superior to those of the former; the contrary was. perhaps, the fact. However that might be, the in crease of crime, in the sent nation, must be con sidered a prover standard for judging of the wane of morality. He should say, as a Right llottourable Gentleman opposite had dime on • for. Boer occasion. that the unfortunate change in the morality of the people of England, seemed Warne rather from political causes slum from that revolu tion in their character to which they had been some times referred. Variation of wages, fluctuation in the price of commodities, circumstances connected with the existence of an inconvertible paper money, which made the ignorant and Pimple, observing such changes, without being able to ascribe any causes for them, imegine their foetuses were the sport of some malignaut demo., and caused them to assume a character averse to industry—a gambling charac ter. which they were taught by the viciesstudes of long war—by an unexpected peace—and by that worst of scourges that could befit a nation, on Meaty/ruble paper money. which no country ever supported but this, aid by which this country had suffered the deepest injuries—circumstances of this description it was that had affected the morality of the people of England. He would mention out fact, illustrative of the loss sustained by small tradesmen in towns, in consequence of the practice of forgery. A tradesman in the parish of St. Mary-le-bone was required to Poi 51. Bank of England note, alleged to hors been received Irons his daughter. Lk diallesh The case was brought to trial in the • ifeeshelssa. Court. The fact wits, that the chugs was found. rel in a take, proceeding from the revemblance i:f his daughter to Emma Connor i so notorious in the annuls of the crime. This hod since beat dis covered. The man was cast in the snit, and cost• dimmed to pay slot only 51. for the note, bat also .'3l. cost 10.1ng in all oaf. from the resemblance of Isis child to os utterer of forged notes.—(Hear. hear, hear.)—On massy °captious people would 'ern tenet such charges, from the apprehension of so.picion; but that woo the smallest pert of the etml. He would new proceed to the mere itts uiediate part of the subject. It was absurd to say that the Bank ought to be esempt from the inter. limner of the Legislature; as well might his Me jests'. M in t cline, the exemption . The evil to th e reduction of *kith his motion use directed, had hero growing twenty yea's. The Batik had not tat'' pal% " against it (he wished motto he sisimisolanonu) ; they bad taken abondatit.precau I."'"eo .I. Clite themselves, but not to guard the The liability of the public to be deceived mud plondertd, erns nowitsgrearnein the year 1797. Tne , tli.refore, bids right to inquire whe ther Ow procer , trtilivai insaaoldiable causes, or the vdrelo..*:, t ,i s and supineness or' the Bank. Inquiry was art rssnr y to direct our judgment in time to tom e oil the propro.ty ar imptopnety of continuing the rrktrictio n on ca.h prjrfiente. It was °et "' wiry to acquit the ftiveroore of the erank . sus. piriOn its the ties of t h e ranialaltity ;la Wit, fleet's.* Ili order th vgisethee•th* shedding of 1 •'• 4 "" 1 might not he restrained, and • slop lint to I test eerneee stolen was • disgrace to the cottony.— f•.'etw)-fisolissry u.ss material to the lives, 'no velty. Itmottlit P, as,d morality of the people.— Fir by oo me4i:t ;mewled to impute Unworn con -16" to the Edith —but he could nut Oppose the At nature, mations like attire—one of the tumors% of which was to be at tached to the meat roollite d/ business, and averse to entertaining any new projects. rem. C4Hlfiril• lions he had held with umiak scientific men since the last disrusiiion of the subject. he entertained mach more sanguine hopes thou he had then, of the posoilaitey of et lent mitigatieg the was sorry he enlist asee say easeeing) the crime. In A merits thee wee a paper curtency to the anoint of ' , ropey or thirtz She was the second country in the maven,. as to extent of paper currency, es she was in Aiming; soil CONNIIreII ; yet there, in nowt of the paean/ea. woe by the genera hes of the couotry. was forgery a capital crime. The conse quence was. that the national ail provivaal books, uot being protected by the terror of the 'ribber, bed been impelhed to invests. and did invent, .very effrcteal ebetiocke to the imitation of their Veen. But had not the Rank of England neglect id scientific aid ? He kad been lately told by a man of science, that a boy bet six months apprentice to an engraver could imitate the Rank of Euglaud stoles, as as to deceive, not the Bank (they took good cure of that), but the body of the people. He had heard that the formation of the Bank of Bugled Notes required scarcely any env tits of art.—(lierw.l--oThe reasoniog of the Bank seemed to be, since the crime cannot be eradicated, siscwit ia impossible utterly and entirely to prevent the forgery of notes, no. step whatever ought to be taken. He tisooght ditereatly ; he thseght that the serenest diminutes of the practice would be the resent netieuutheisellt.—filerre.j—The inertia* of forgeries produced an increase of other crispers, for it was the mature of them to multiply use another. Bet the crime of forgery not only di& footed depravity anent it, bet spread its toils far these t h at would sewer be tempted by other crimes. Other aims Sr their esecutioo required boldness and etresith, bet this enured to its commission rionsei, wrillse., sY Mak and persons of a certain deposer odueseioes. It was with surprise he would hest of.eny preset daises of opposing his motioo, mid would there/are at once move— ' That a Select Oessailhas le appointed to !squire into the mesas of men sffednally the growth of freigeriss, sad repel doer eiservatimis I. tine Ilmiss." The motion having bass put frost the Chair—. The CaeNceuus of the EICIIIQIIIII thought the Hen. and Learned Gentleman had not proposed that mode of inquiry whose result would be most satisfactory to the House. The inquiry was loot, laborious, sod diffecolt, demanding more constant stogies. sad priest assiduity, than could be reosonably expected from a Committee of the House ; besides, much iofonestiou would be ow emery in the course of it, and an examination of artists must be carried on. His object. however, in rising, was, not to oppose the motion, bet to propose an aaseadasent for an Address of the House to the Crown for the appointment of • Commission. with a view to obtain a more complete inquiry, and a more satisfactory result, than could be had in the other way. With respect to the improvements spoken of, he had considered the subject himself, and the more be did so, the more difficulties presented themselves. lo plan that be had seem, de. feets either struck himself, or had been posited out to him by other*: no radical remedy was to be enpected. Before be came to the proper object of his rising. he could not forbear making • few re marks on the statements sale by the Hon. and Learned Mover, regarding the progress of the crime. and he regretted that such exaggerated pictures had been drawn of its increase. On the growth and increase of the crime, he must beg leave to submit to the House the deductions he had made himself. From the statements of the Honourable and Learned Gentleman, one would be led to suppose, that, before the suspension of cash payments, the crime was almost unknown. But ) . the House would see with surprise.ou referring to, the pipers. that executions for the crime of forgery : bad beets as general in the middle of the last century se at the present day. In the years 1749, 50, and 51. the number of execntioua under that head was ' nineteen in London and Middlesex--whereas in the last three years it was but le. The number of convictions for forging and uttering Book notes, knowing them to be forged. was 110 in the three 'yaws 1811, 14, and 13. In 1815, 16, and 17, it was but 88, leaving a diminution in the three last of 44.—[Herr the Right Hon. Gentleman went through a variety of other details. to thew that for gery had not increased of late years, while coining had.]—He thought the Honourable and Learned Gentleman's reasoning was extremely fallacious, in supposing that a return to cmli poymenrs would necessarily enure a diminution of forgery.— It would be seen that the crime of forgery had not increased in the same proportion as other climes since the suspension of cash psymeots, while the crime of coining had increased in a greater dere& What had token place was not imputable to say negligence or want of proper precaution on the' part of the Bonk Directors. He feared that forgery was a natural consequence of educational . Combined with craft and wickedness, and that lila., (path of it woe to be trend to the ex amine of learning and the great 'thence of trade and. oellietlree. But that CiteUtiallienee rather made it a stronger duty to use every core, and make every • effort to diminish it. Thinking. that that end would be best attained by the measure lie contemplated, he would propose the fullowiag amendment— That shis House do prooostito boot& Address is his Royal Niemen the Prince Regent, preying that his Royal Highweis will barmiest*/ planned So inane oats Coo_ Minna order the Groot lirol:to appetite Comotiosiotten to impaise into t h e beet meson of peeves** the Pottery of the Nowt of the Beak of Ewelwlld sad Priests Baas, aid other rogoeiolde Itvordies." Governors 'wear,* Imo the Frailties oflinmeo or the habits costume to men M ►itnations lik 1: 2 the Chancellor of the rectiegset To the Teat, 181 1, the sat inkier of indictments fee the effeneg was riot tees than 43 ; wits 033 in .11i 14, ill 1811.71; itt 181, Ida ; iu 1817, 164 ; the last three mouths. 11C He coridesnistil the isi terference of the Bank oitfi the criminal ,justice of the country,' mad denied rite corrector's of the cal culation made by the Chaucellor of the Excliii'quer, of the lithis h o , .r ... eu isons in the lam three yearn, as compared with those in the years 1748, 17, and 1751 ; because, had the same strictures of ptittishing the convicted been pursued iti 1815, 1016, and 101/. as in the three former, the number, instead of 18, would be above 460. He had heard that when anphcatiois was snide to the Cr a ir l ott you to sa pa v r e don the hi l l i n fe . of Ur. Dodd, it had been said, i f you must perilous all such criminals who apply." He supposed the Lime principles had been ap plied to decide the case of the usifortutiale woman lately executed (Harriet Skelton), as both the Bank and his Majesty's Government lad been addressed on her behalf in vain. But why was not the measure of justice dealt out equally to all ? When two boys were compelled to answer to the capital part of the charge, and convicted, why was the seducer of there into crime allowed to plead guilty, and Nwss man notorious for every species of guilt, and connected with people notoriously infamous. His uame, or rather out of his names, was Thomson. He would mention en anecdote, to show of bow little effect capital im nisluweuts were in deterring from crime. A little boy discharged from prime, having no friend but the gaoler, 110 r any means of procuring bread, was discovered the duty after picking • pocket just under the gallows while an execution was going on. Beiug taken to prison, and asked what could in him to commit inch an act at such a time, he answered, that the 4 1 eyes of every body were fixed on the victim before them, and that nobody minded has pockets." He called upon the Bank Directors to tell why the young and innocent were executed. while the old and experienced in crime were suf. fend to plead guilty P—(Hear.) —la his panegyric on the Bank Directors, and statement of the few prosecutions, the Right Honourable Gentleman had forgotten, that in the last three mouths not less than 114 persons had been convicted.—(hear)—He hoped that the motion would meet general support. Mr. S. Tigoarreou defended the conduct. of the Bank, both with respect to the improvements sub mitted to them, of which they had made us much ' use as they could, and also the distinctions made between offenders. The Directors were sincerely anxious to extend mercy to the utmost limits pru dence would allow, sod the most merciful mitten. lion was given by them to every individual case, in order to determine on their comparative degrees of guilt. Mr. FIUtIttESON said, that the speech of the Hon, Geutlensais who spoke last but one was excel hotly calculated to shew the impolicy of appointing the Committee. That Hun. Gentleman would have the Committee undertake to inquire into the admi nistration of the criminal law, and rejudge cases already set at rest. Hon. Gentlemen should recol- Wet the exalted character of those who administer the laws, and whose province it is to recommend mercy, where, ou full and impartial examination, it appeared to be due, before they indulged in inch observations as they had made—observations calculated to lower these characters in public esti mation. He thought a Committee peculiarly unfitted for the investigation desired. Indeed the sort of investigation contemplated set only by the Gentleman who had spoke last but ose, but also by the ;never, was of • most extensive nature, branching out into matters of very various de scription. But if the Committee was to lead to measures to remedy and check the specific evil. He thought it not the fittest mode of inquiry. The period of the Session was too advsucvd for such a Committee to produce any thing useful. if the motion were carried, the Committee would only recommend an address to the Crown—that would be its only useful result come to a little later than in the way suggested. He deprecated the exciting of an improper commiseration for criminals exe cuted for forging. Bank notes, as if their crime had been less than that of forging a will, or any in strument of tioquiring property. He would sup port the amendment, as likely to save time, and more effectually arrive at the ends in view. Mr. BENNETT explained. Sir SAMUEL RONILLT roost for the pupae of correcting souse misrepresesitations, with re spect to the observations of his Hon. Friend- (Mr. Bennett). What that Hon. Gentleman had ob. served was implacable rather to the effect of the per nicious system upon which the Bank acted. than an attempt to level at the Bank Directors thenssrliree any charge of cruelty in their mode of proceeding with respect to criminals; nor had his observations any tendency to reflect upon the character of that Bench. the far-famed virtue and incorruptibility of which might be truly said to be one of the moot invaluable securities to Englishmen for the coati sausuce and perpetuity of their constitutional li berties—(heer)--,their tendency was to prove that our lawn required revision. The system was bad, and avowedly had, because it must be admitted that a system of extending mercy to persons charged with forgeries was now acted upon. net through the Sovereign, but through the Bank. which selected a certain number of cases for punishment in preference to others; to whom it might therefore be said, they extended pardon on condition (and a more objectionable condition there could not be) that these parties should forego the chance of escaping by acquittal, and throw themselves on the mercy of the Bank, by pleading guilty to hewing these forged wiles • their possession. Perhaps these powers Were honourably and generously ex ercised on the part of the Batik ; but enough had I transpired as to the expression of the public feeling and the sentistrent of the House, that the crime of forgery was not one which should be uniformly punished with death. He shosild, theretore, sup. port the motion of Isis sou. Friend for a Select I Committee. Mr. liustistou explained. General Gascoinns preferred. the more consth, ttitioual mode of proceeding by s Comnis t te re o f t h e lEfoosc ty that propOsed by the Right hloo. Ge . Mum "Dorm wank happily hot one 01 most persons di., that the dangerous sh•gree of con. fidence reprised SO long in the Directory of the Runk ought uo longer to be reposed to that body, 1h thought the possibility of a dissolution of Par. The question haring been put on the original inntion— Sir C. MhIDAO WV thought a Select Committee preferable to the course pointed out by the Hight Honourable Gentleman. He war of opinion that abundance of informatfun might'be obtained by it. ee alluded' torhe strong statements on the subject in the Birmingham Petition. mid concluded by declaring, that he would moat cordially - support the motion. Mr. BEttNIPA'T said, the thanks of the House were due to his Hon. rind Learn ert Friend for forcing the attention of his Majesty's Government to the subject.--(ilear, haer.)...fle defiled the justice of the statements to thew a falling atria the offence by . „,. , . •-, ... , • , ..t lt .. ' ••.• . ljeinent came extremeljt 111 from Ntiniste.rs, who, if ttm:inate tilf.ne ffoici.htertinar..if it wits Meant lit thi't•vesit tads Waco , : ntitet be ounp4dered its null:tiro. he t tleil ive in Ktiniiiik di flig)s *lnds oil ptuteteed Mr. MANit't ha Iniill !inert) walls 4rein pant snit re.. l to linve in Ninv. ~ v L;•1 ~ 0 ~ . .:• ' the diirg4 saide*.wilutt the L?.tretbut of the : • The floosie then diviaeol, when !be uoinbere '-v as uuour4Ce .&Member (Mr. Beinieti). we r i— ':' . . ,I suave the Allow* tw charge was al. Tor the Amendment .....!".. ..... 100 twitoundett. The Wank, be no-nteti the Azanist it - 69 . ... .. never The toseether _ , FtMl9O. . made,. any selettioti of, eases. , business of the isrosecutsow of offeudept devolved on the Solicitor for the dusk. Most /parlous were the Directors that the evil could be 'prevented, to offset *hitt they *ere disposed to spare no expense .or patios. A:peeing t t.f &hire .aistorst,were thetetase incurred more for the interest of • the ,public tilitit for the soctti . ty of thn flank: and ;Ph lime ,' lexpensei_ `fell upon the . Cot/SoiatiOn. , ' se ewe of the exeCilllo4l lately for forty iris one Optin which . citiatiolerabie stress load beets laid ; but as the Bank meter interfertek-iia such cases after proceediiigs, were once instituted, the execution ,was the tietund result of the woittate.a conviction; and in bli mind if ever their w:ts n , case of aggravated offence, it was that of Linnet Shel ton. The returns upon which the Hon. and Learned Gent. had proceeded to peers the House to adopt, as the hest mode of priteredisig. a Select Cosnsnittee, were obviously calculated; by their nature, to delude the House, being from Novesuher to July, and therefore including the iliKee Old Briley See. *ions and Lent Assize's. whereby they were become no longer a fair aversge, as contrasted with others of equal duration, but of other mouths. He was cotes viuced in his sitiod that the crime of fureerv.matuoth s standing what . lied beets said by sonic in debate that uight. had becoMe !eel frequent, as contrasted with the growth °father crimes. Nor was it to be wonder. ed at that there should be a large number in the re turns of person, tried for forgery during the latter years, when it was found that the general returns of persons indicted _ for various .offence.. in le l 1p amounted to 6,337,0hi1itt its 1617 there were fount, to be not less than 13,32, i 'proportion of nearly three to one—of which last number of offenders it was pretty well ascertained that three its four wet* from Birmingham or its neighbourhood. The Bank, ever since the year 1797. had been em ployed to find out or adopt those suggestions of improvement which might render notes more difficult to be imitated ; but, neverthelese; they bed little meets; and one thing they had considered particularly necessary, which was. not to adopt auy improvement which they found could be successfully imitated by their own en gravers in the splice of three days, us unlikely to prove ao effectual remedy. He had further to observe. that the Bank had found it necessary to retain possession of forged notes, though stamped forged, because when they had been returned to the owners, they had found their way into circulation again. the stamp denominating them forgeries har ing been extracted by means of a chemical process; Sir CliAlLell MORGAN could not help explain• ing how so great a number of forgeries had been discovered to have been put into circulation by per. sous et Birmingham. The returns alluded to rote. taiised not lees than 13 cases out of the whole nuirt.t. her; the Wale( of these note. had origivated iif the circumstance of the officers there basnue epos* on the market day a baker's shop. The 'perm* having these netes flocked to the new ship, wipe. they were immediately received. and the parties de , . tected and prosecuted. Sit Ammo, Prooorr entered into a long and argumentative speech in defence of the Bunk Directors in discharging the important and awful duty imposed on them by their official situation.— He could confidently state. from the knowledge of the cases with which, from his intuition. he was • . •lkdortty roe 'fie Commission • • • the crone ....•••k.... 44 On our. re-hdniiviirti, to Aloe csilery we found Lord Cuurton proposing,' that thi• *olds ++ p r im. vile banks, bind other negoti a bl e ‘e'curitire," should he counted itilhe Arldiess.tei the'tiowir for the • ponittriit of the Commission, as .was reidentlir th e oliket of the I that the inquiry should be coolitied to Bank !rf, England not e s, w h ere a l one the evil rd Mr. !beta Ste tru said he had agreed to the mode of proceeding by a Ctisitinission from the, Crimp, believing that to be the most efficieut ; course; but lie vet-burly never.iiiteirried that the inquiry should g o further than the sphere Of the i.ed, or he cori veiled into. a process, by, which Coisuni.sioners should enter the boost-an, every private booker or merchant in the kingdom, to recommend an iot provement where no complaint o f their Present Ay*. tem existed.—(Hear, lieei.)—/f the Right nosh Gentleman persevered in wiihiu the original words to remain, he (Mr. Smith) would certainty vole fur the Noble Lord's motion, to emit therm—(/fear.) Lord CArei.Eirt:Abit denied that the Commission was intruded to make any inquisitorial *airy judo the private+ affairs of tile Bank of c... gr iand ; how then could it •be said to . h a v e t hi s Operation upon private hunks ?—(//eur.f—The object of preserving the original worths, • *us merely that the inquiry should have the (till Invite which would make it generally beneficial, Ind not invidiously select. • Mr. TleArrisit—++ loct is, the Directors of the Bank do not feel thetuselirts.well treated by the Right Hon. Gentleman. who has departed from his natialcourtesy towatdi them: —(A, lasogh,)a-He has accommodated them in theeir owls way hitherto, but now, to use ,te, forcible expresuun s he was obliged to throw them overbo ar d.—(. 4 k rug h.)—• 4 WO, then,' *aye the Right Hon. Gentleman to the Bank Directors, • I'll ariften (limo .this busi.: peas for yon, and will, by gesieroliiing the iniviry, appose they are all as bad as yourselves.',--(Alitek haighter.).—All this was very well for the Choice's. for of the Exchequer to suppoa e , but the d ouse C 0 ,114 *oppose no ouch thing—they could not so soften down the rustler to the Batik Directors to extend the evil where it never existed.—{:Hear.)—Now, however, ill the DOW', private and .public, were to be looked ob alike. Did the Right Mu. Gentle. ? MOO then mean, contrary to his notable plan. tq put country paper on the saute footing as the twos Of the Batik? If he, did, let him speak openly. I beg to tender him my nieistanee in his. ;priest state. I tell him that his Commission; witli.the,tlo tension to country paper, will be either titigairory, or do more harni than good. The only way he hoe of getting out of ' the scrape is, tci.oiatit the objet. tionable•words, and have recourse to the old expel client of saying, he was under a mistake."—(Loars Mr. LeTTELTON felt that to include the Country 'Sacks in the scope of ettisi inquiry woe o estnior dinory a proceeding, withotit that regular aud due notice which would put the country at large in pod session of such tio intention, that, if persevered in, he would instantly move the question of wijouru. meet, and persevere (if carried against him) in re. pealing it as often as the measure was proposed without sufficient notice:-( iferrri • The question oo the . • - uncut .was then put. tolerably conversant, that the Bank outhorised no proceedings except as they were themmlites ad. wised by their legal advisers. He found that much of the debate of that night would tend rather to delude than to inform the public. and calumniate those who are most sedulously attentive to the tree iotereats of society. . Mr. Was. Soren did not doubt the diegoskjam, on the partofthe Bank to temper justice with WIMP He knew it was extremely difficult to prevent the currency of forged notes. but he thought it rather herd the Bank did not Ripply the public with that knowledge which themselves pos. i • , adjouruL__ ..... - mud the 'Masse about to divide. when . Mr. LirrvaLtos withdrew his moti on . until he sicertained the fate off' Lord Coroptoief propositiou. Mr. Paws*Euos matd see no possible reason for attending the inquiry of the Commissioners to the bills and bonds of tuerchimtv, for what elAe did this isrordit 1 , cud other negotiable securities"•. niesu I There was uo complaint reletite to, their securities. Commercial uses wauk.d uo alteration iutheir 'node of transecunw business , and he would de cidedly oh jeel to hive this labour superailded to the inquiry of the Cominimionere—the result would be.. that had 'Toted - would they seared. and which - might enable the public to• detect bad notes. He aistanced the paper dollars of America sod Scotch bank notes, as similarly circumstanced; yet these countries had nut to complain of their note* being forged, Mr. CANNING felt be malt prefer the appoint ment of a Royal Commission, as the anode Watt likely to prove effectual. T he proportion of the last speaker it was impossible to bear and not smile; for how could the Batik afford the public the incense( ascertaining the forged note, without assisting the parties committing the forgeries with means to direct their mischievous operations in forte ? All that had ever yet hero suggested was, to reader them plates or impressions extremely • elaborate and • difficult of imitation. Much ex.• aggeration, he feared; ,had crept into this night's, debate; although he confessed there was already a too abundant crop of crime this instance .as, well as in other, but it ftertainly had not" in.' creased in the time proportion as other crimes. He hoped the exerptie of this best prerogative of the Crown. so far as the Bank had shared in it, had been • discreet and cautious exercise, and had in some instances had its good effect on persons thus exempted from punitliment, from a Conviction that the offender was reclsierigble. and . had .yet sufficiently strong ties to society,,, and that. all pro mising traits in his character were not erased, ea as to render him no longer tit to (it permitted to breath the air in common with. his fellow. creatures. This.exasiptiou be thoold mach rather bare beard denominated (whether.it proceeded-front the Crown; or ematiated in p aon4siosecution on the part of the Bank) an exemptioo to sere, than state it in the nature of a selection of cases to condemn ton death. This would have been rather more spited to. the subject, than to 'ablest a case where fogey was extended by the errivro as a elope of blame or reproach to the high authority from whiCh it bad eliminated. Sir lire's Mecifiriven . , in reply, oirservid chat sitihrers and collusion, rather than bold slid ai fire indepeutleirce, wotild; he figured; be looked to an the e'ets or CoUttnissioutre appointd Is, the trtivrn: and such Commissioners were never before thought of in inquiries into general business of such a mature es this. The appointment for the inquiry ehoald their labours Most be intertninable. He . for the Commission by the Crown, but he object to its extension in the nisnner,propoued. The Ctitritsitsitof the EXcuxquea said, that bills sod bonds of merchaists were not to be in.. quired into iis the manner supposed. It was merely nitended to look after engraved promissory notes. Mr.- GEPPI aired, viliether the Cominissiouers were to have a comtmlsory power to carry into elrect this extends;d inquiry ? . The Citaxcem.on of the Eicaro.treit replied: that no compuloo% power wee intended.. Mr, Wu. Seers thought the . p ro ject • o f th e Right Hon. Gentleman the most extraordinary said unrolled fur, that, had ever entered into the head of any man.—(Hear.) The House then divided, when the numbers For retsisiog the original .words, rare Lamb aid oder itooishabls *seer& tie, • Against their imsertios; .. . Majority. or the Chancellor of the . Exchequer 1 _Agit streogers were excluded. Mr Loner. soo d iesteused Ins minion, g' That the House do doWildjoiko." •. The CHANcEL;OII Of , the macniquita thin; agreed to leave out the words ler continuing the insertion of which' hi had just divided the HOW!, mild obtained ..a ptatiority# AL- (Lewd cries of Hear, and fatigh i fet.)• p. . ; .on,ue re-admission tistttegirilete, we found the' Soxtrif sit dellveetug IsiSepteiosi‘ihe way in which the question stool. lie stored than in his opinion,. the House hating agie e d to yeti's; the original words, they could not be•note withdrawn.— (Hear.) —Ti.i only coy* , theft reasainsug errs, to tiegutiso• the Addreas,aTtogether, and substitute another 'titian Iles *mill which it was now suggested to oinit:—(Heer. bear.) Mr. Vrir.tip inquire whethertha Home might not refr i tini . the latter words without negativing the whole Address? • The SPRAILEIk thrtught it would be quite incon. intent to adopt ally other ccritt.e shorten ao new A (Id' es.d. Bear./ The ClLiNClti.toit the EXCHSOCIIII....` Y k entirely • • /