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a 13, nt! ... .• Whenever, 'therefore, inch an assertion was made he wonld contradict it, (jut, eve had it a beni the ea se, they were juetilied in doing a; tiwy did, Int they had better submit to the risk aims, thaw i submit to any indignity. . 1 I' Sir j o w l sivor u ar contended, that in whatever] fie Einbargn might have origiatovti, the °outing:el : onc e of it was fairly to be ascribed to the perseve rance of Ministers in the measure of the sliders in: Council, instead of cosiciliating America. at u time it might hese been done to the mutual . advantage of both countries. Mr. BASTARD obaerverl, that if the measure *ere adopted with a view to agricultoral improvement, the mane 'boyntr ought to be exempted to both countries; and expressed a hope that soine mea sure would be speedily adopted thr the purpose of bringing ell the waste laud. into cultivation. Mr. Rost supported the Chancellor of the Er chequer, in the assertion that the Embargo was Laid on Ni America, before the existence of the Or ders in t ouneil was known there. Mr. reinet.t.' was of °pinkie, that the linetity would be too small, not more then time . shillings a begshesul on the quantity of seed required; if that were not the sole object; and if agrienftural improve ment weer intended, he conceived, from the bad state of the culture of lands in Ireland, it would be better to begin with the other species of land brat, and to .postpone the improvement of their Logs, till that was flO.i effieetel. Mr. I' s ONTER expleineal the principle of the ton sure to Le the giving Ireland it kind of niouopoly in Sax-seed of her owe growth, till such trine as the priest should rise to sueh • heilOt as to make it necessary to open the market for the We of the manufacture. He lainetital dial:ring in opiiiim from the Hon. Gentleman, who was not only les relatiou, hut from whom he had formerly received etlectuel essistunee in his official ,itilation. Mr. PARR Li.L. after explaiiiiiig, said, it was cer tainly true he had hail the honour of asaisetri the Rielit Hon Gentlemen, but had resigned, in the pro-pert of a seat in that House; mid upon that eveut, he had found it his duty to take a seat on the side opposite to him. as he *as not educated is the same sehoel. After some further observations from Mr. BA NINO. Mr. HOSE, and Mr. Nactw tt..oe Bill was paaseit in the Committer, and the House being re balite& the Report ems ordered to be received to morrow. . .. . A New Writ was ordered for the election of a Member fur Cashel. GIC4F,KAI. CLAVERING. Ou the Motion for the Ititise resuming the Ad jourhed Debate reapeoing Geo. Cleverieg. The SPEAKER informed the I fume; that lie had received a Idler Irons Gen. ClaYering, couched iii the snout sublui.isive tering, but he should not pro ecedteread it, e e•e i it by the command of the House. Mr. C. W. West+ e stated, that it was unw uear a fortnight ago that he had given notice of what he thought was necessary to be done by some Member of that House, illi to the letter sent 1,, his Royel Highness the Duke of York, as he deemed! it an infringement of their privileges. If the Hume: bad thought it expedient to proceed by impeach meat, or to pronounce a total acquittal, he should e llayetheught it equally necessary to peniet ere in hia moieti upuu the subject of that letter, of which fie lied g siou ofitTleienri" . ot tion ilig ios 4l : m eB o rl v y ett alr l ‘ ti co a nseq the uence met e ; of the result of these proceedings, ass to 111. Royal Itittichnear, and his anhartinent resignation, lie should . take that opportunity.before the Howie proceeded to the dienission as to Gen. Clawing, to stile. that be had the 'audio:4ot% of thinkine, that that ether motion might now be deemed nil iecessary, imousuith :as die entry made upon the Jour :nek) Ul i tht Int a auf fi cient statement of the w cle. e uuderstood that the paragraph in his Royal Highnese's letter, to which he principally Ohjeeted, had been explained, us not being intend ed to convey the assertion; that the House were bound either fatally to acquit, or to retie the case - to another tribunal. on aceoteit of its relatio 4 to an individual so hitch in office; and as lie had g o od reason to believe that that panuraph did not pro ceied from the Royal Personage himself, but• her' bees suggested by advice from mother quarter ; lie wee reedy to take that exploitation of the said pa nsgraph, as doilig away its teallency. Upon these grounds he shonld abandon the motion he intended to have made upou this subject. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER obst , rved, that, as to the letter alluded to, he Was ready to enter into any discusaton the Hon. Gentleman mightbe pleased to institute, and to give wlint further explanatiois he might deem necessary. As to the explanation already given. he should (tidy say, that, upon a question being put by an Ilya. Gentleman near him, lw had stated, that, rei far as he understood the letter, lie could not take it up in that perversion of sense with which it hail been taken by some Hon. Members iii that House.-.. From what source of information the Hon. Gen tlemen opposite had received his information, es to that letter having breu written by other !lemons than his Royal Highness, he slid trot know ; but he 'begged not to be understood to be a party to that letter. ,Wlisither he was or not an assistant in the writing of that letter, he should maintain his opi- Mon still, that there was no position in it which was otherwise than perfectly constitutional, and agreeable to the customs of the House. He was ready to argue in support of the nropriety and jus tice of that letter in all its party; and whether the lion. Gentlawm opposite chose to impute it to him or not, he should maintaiu that there was no thing disputable in it. Mr. Witer6itean—‘ l I sin surprised at the man ner in which this letter has lees taken up by the Right Hnnounable Gentleman opposite, for I can not help hieing still of upinion, es I ea, formerly, that the letter in question is perfectly unconsti tutional, and a total lariat:valeta upon thc privi leges of this Home. I coot-as I heard that that letter ass entirely the production of that Iti4lit Honourable Gentleman, or P retty iicariy so ; and if that be the case, then he woubl be to blnine were he to say it was otherwise than perfectly con stitotinual, stud did not at all attack the lona leges of this House. If such be his argument, I amid say he does not seem to haw a right under stagnates{ of thaw privileges. An vied:ligation had formerly ben Riven of that letter, and I should be sorry if any thing he his said now should make • • ••;., •r , . 1 1 .. 5 . * • it neettioary to mire it ; hnt the' Right Hotionr able- Gentlenum evidently attempta to provoke ing attack upown. The mans reasou for withdrawing 'the intended motion upoo this subject was, that the season for takiag it up was past ; ipat altlesmih agree with my Honourable Friend Muir 'me, in lase propriety of not reviving it; yet, at the same time, 1 must protest against the doctrines hid down by the Right Honourable the •Chancellor of the Excheqtier, as to that !titer hying perfectly coustitutiozial. Mr. C. W. WY II N F.—" I did not mean to Khan don my motion, from any change iti my opinion regarding it ; but merely beeatist• the necessity fir noticing it is done away by the Resi.,• , Mition that has take,. place. I certainly hnee not heard any thing from the Ht. Hon. Gent. opposite, that can in any degree alter any &claimants," Mr. PONSIINISY—" If I had been in the House when the letter is question was read, I should err , tainly hare objected to its being so, fur it is cer. tainly most uneonstitratutial, and ail Attack upon the privileges . of time House. I wish, however, to Redo' a discussion of it now, as the course or the buAtieuf has sotheieutly answered the object in view." The order of the day for restrining the ndjourn ed debate 113 to General (:levering was then read, anti upon the motion " that it be nun resunied,".. Lord JOHN Camptiet.i. stated, that on account of the tolaieuee of an !La. Member, oreasioned •by the death of a near relation. it was the Irish of Geiteral Clavering to have this motion postponed to a future day. that Han. Member being inclined to nrgue in his favour. lie should,•therefore, pro pose to an Amendment to the pr t east motion, that instead of the word " now," •, Tuesday next," be sultstituted. Mr. Winegar MI Shill, he was sorry he could not commr with the Autelidinent proposed, a.. lie 11441 redly heard nu snail:lent reason assigned for such a further postponement. A similar esctise might be made every slay, and it the Iloilo! did not pro teed in this motion now, it might be said their ttiNhett to put it otf in seder toacreen the individual. Ile should, therefore, contend to the utmost for taking it up noir. . Mr. Etadsotv said, that if Coptaitt Sanden were not it. confinement fur a sunder offence, Ire should contend for pressing this question. " Cod for bid, (exclaimed the Hon.lldoinher). that in Noy emit where a man would . not voluntarily come inrwurd, to promote the curia of justice, f.,hwaid force his : but I certainly do think, that whoever (anises voluntarily forward fur the purposes of jos 'ice, •oright to le delta with in stern justice hurts lolf. I. am, inilet , l..ry tor the sittimonoti that this officer has placed himself in ; hut it , is surely Ou.• duty to attend to the Carnets of our proas. , edia4t. Sir \isratiew PLUY ,woke in favour of Ge neral Clavering. He observed, that in Courts Law it was wisely provided. that Coute!el might speak for tin isidivitittel before any legal proceed suns were instituted against Inn ; but that pr,vi lege was sintailmowed in that House. Surely, tlwo, i t was b ai t v ea s onahl; to postpone such a question toll such time a. a Moot ,of the individual alluded to could he present. Ile hoped that the feelings of the House wouldot least go • so far its to agree with time Atuep4osent of his Noble •Frietal.— Ile could infdiiirehe Wise, tharres,:rbweirno n.,nsylf ca Cod to witness. that Ina was pea It et- I inzincent of the offence with which lie stood charged, awl that his ineonsiden y arose from 110.. thing hut a inirntiderstniorlilig of time quesitions th at Os•ti• pot to his. This tlittlatlOU ine,rlmt have :,eeti brought forward on a former day, tunes ad vatitageott, for the person sAccused ; and limy the I louse could not refuse to postpone it to another day, when it was stated; that an lionnArahle Rela tion ot hit wreild necessarily be absent, and on w nose us.astaitee he relied. • dlr. ti . . Wyn he really felt himself called open to set the lion. iiaronet right upon ilsatt,r of fact. Any delay that had arisen had ,ant hi en oectosiootal by him, for it was much his wish to have •,rotigla it forward sooner than what the House were inclined to do. lie thought the Home did nut really consult its own dignity by etieli frequent postponements, for he decarc4l it their duty to act with severity to any person who prevaricated, either before a 11:011111112NA: of the Whole House, or a Committee above stairs; and it was even of the utmost utility to inflict the requisite punishment immediately, and with promptness. It was to he treated as a contempt of the house. In tile present ease, the only cause of dehey was. that Gentlemen thought they had no: haml a sufficient opportiinity of consideriog the evidence which Ca meral C. rove urea a former day, and latterly it wan thought proper to postpone it till the other question was determined, dud the papers printed. It appeared therefore t h at the mat ter was now claire!y taken out of Ins hands ; HA it was for the Hon.,. to determine, whether or not it was consistent with their dignity to take it up now, when the opportatilite was of fur it was not a matter that (told admit of postponenamt, nu acenuot of additional testimony, as was required. Sir M. Rlnt,Ey, in es/oleo:awn, said, hr only meant that General Clavering's .riend should lie present at the discussion, but not as a witness to be ex:unit:ed. Mr. I'EaCCVAIL said, he certainly thought the lion. Gentleman was not privy to any delay that formerly took place, but had merely yielded to what he felt was the general prevailing opinion of the Home. From what had beet) stated, he was so far inclined to leniency, that lie thought ties Howie ought to grant this additional postponement. to give General Clavering every opportunity of being defended. The SPEAWER stated. its his opinion, that this was a caw.. winch, sal its 'name, beiog a contempt of the Howse, could not admit of any ICY • y be ing widowed, as in Courts of i n terior juri•Aliction. Mr. SHAW LarliTaß Said. it was with great mt tivfaction lie had heard what hud fallen from the Chair, for lie entirely agreed that time present ours tion, being as to a contempt of Court, could ad mit of 110 tifliOltriMellt. He, himself, and others, were anxious to get out of tux.,, 111541, tht•refore, it was not likely there would he such .111 178CH:t epee upon Tuesday as there Sass then. and tense , queutly to delay it would be alliwing • it to go over altogether. He di.f not 'liven by this to be giving his opiuion as to the propriety of the irnpri . . , . f' . • " r.• ' l : i t • 7' 14 . :7 1 °. • ;.' 4.1"...' ' O . •7. 7.1" • kontnent k but heiwits convinee4 ins postposement of the Skstion i troillA be. 'iniurious. Mr. W. Sintnr . said that as this was the only aplication for,retpollegNellt mail: on behalf of e party alTUtfd, he did not feel disposed to re fuse it. I.:oti.jilarrerintcertaiiiii stood in a most paiiifol sittiattv it ;tie should think he war one that nuold, of, air wish it to be speedily ter. initiated. If trie - e sof substantial justice. Or tbe diguity ofihOonae% stood in the way, lie ter hilily-should not urge u postpogetnent; but that ant being the case; lie was HUT disposed to be harsh towards the individual. , . . Sir Joie e N swpoir said, he could not onders stand why substantial justice could not be dune tipsy, instead of delaying it to a pm i(xl a hen the House would be much thiniier, fur by Tuesday next reimay persous would bare left titivii.—llle approved of it coining nu now, forotherwise it le iglu be darted. and not come on at all, sod, , in the eyes of the public, thejustice of the Muse 'Mist Suffer by any plist 7 poiserisent. During ,the interval ...of the previons postponements, it, was, well known that another. person, erring WI a Similar mansiew with Geo.Clarttr iitz, bed been treated as Capt. Sandell had been, mul therefore be wished the couletry nut to suppose they were inclined to firetir that. ttliiiier, on account of his superior rank or connection*. Ile was very far Coin wishing to press - thi4 mutter harshly % on arenntit of the respectable fatuity with whom Gem. Closeting is connected; but that Offwer having unfortunately placid 'himself in his preirrot titian to.a. &lupin's' pi s iiss .esritly diseigotled that be .should he treated as Capt. Sanding bed been. The S/iLALTAItY itt Wait said a few words in favour of the postponement. Mr. It. Du Noss said, the Hen* were not in the habit of refusing such spplicatious. Mr. WI tacurout,e spoke against delay, as there was evii.etitly no tiei.e.sity for forther.testi. mossy of prevarication. All that justice reqoired Wein to do, was to . compare general Claveriii ; es testimony with the written documents, and if he were found to have prevaricated. to commit him. The question liming beets already put off from time to time, a further delay would convey an idea that the 'White would wish to put it ofraltegeti , er, ,IT Witt a paistful duty they had to perform, but he could not help saying, the dignity of that House appeared to lie COLII,VI lied in their now praeweiling to a determinatiou, instead of putting It MI for _four or nyt days longer. Mr. Wllbtirl/TVO w.,s proceeding to enter into partictilars, whets - Gen. PHIPPS spoke to order. we this was merely •the question of adjournment; OUT Fla 111Wifteir.741- I ed to order by Mr. Eeitsoe, who argued, that even upon such • question, it was perfeetly collect to enter upon particular*, to show the necessity of not agyreett,„. to further delay. ' Mr. WI La ERFORCI: piviewerlpii, end added. that the House ought not to decade agaiinit Cannes) Clavering, if they perceived any nice shades of dif ference betweers tits case and that of others ; far it woidd, in cases of nicety sad doubt, be better to adhere to the side of mercy ; but he really lout& oat help thinking tbiit she dignity s the I louse was at stake in souse degree, mid they were right not to postpone it farther. Mr. C. W. WYNNE added, that he certuittly dill not fed he had any other duty, on this ociiisiau, to 'discharge., than other Metabers lia,t; far l'aftlrostgli he had originally itiven the notice, it was nothing more hellie pri seta instance than the resuntingsaf un adjourned delude. The Si•AAKEIL then put the question, and the amendment wit.; negatived without a division. The 160(1011 for resiturnig the adjotirried debate being aeed to, the question before the House was, ~ d int General Clavcriug has been guiltp if prevarication." Sir MATTHEW 11101.1 TY then spoke at consider able length in favour of the General, but from his station under the gallery, we could not dis tinctly hear him. lie argued that the House niii , t give that witness the credit to believe his apparent prevarication was not iotentional, but that he was inertly embarrassed in his wind, and hail for4ut the circuinstantws he wished to state upon the first examination, for even when he went home, he was not aware of any inaccuracy he had coin. tnitted. General Clavering's services in the army ought to be considered, and he thought the eacutia stance of his being a voluntary wituctwoogfit not tie ben rged as an additional objection against him. He 'tat as IMXIOIIt all ally one to avoid, 614 much pxts siale, any itt;ringtitent of their privileges; but there were surely circumstances in this case which prevented it from being looked upon in that light. Mr. M'NAGHTSN argued, that it wns am reason at all why the House should not take immediate cognisance of this prevarication, because some other Mender wished to speak nista the subject, who was necessarily absent, or that some evidence was to be brought forward :—No additional eviiknee was necessary. He mold not conceive why General Clavering should not be sent to New gate, in the sou e r ss Commits Standen had been. It had been argued, that it could not be supposed a person of sue)) respectable birth, high rack, and good education, as General Cla %Thug, could he guilty of prevarication; het, in his opinion, these were eircinnstioices which only aggravated his (Aimee, end ought to subject him to greater severity of putii.liutent.—He was sorry that a gentleman. descended 611111 a resiyetdile family, should hove sulijecterl himself and that family to have their fortiori, hurt, by a discussion of this sort.— With respect to the family with whom Gen. C. was connected; he (Mr. M.) had beets always tonight to look up to them with the greatest respect (the Argyle bawdy) ; but lie could not be led 4141 that sccotint to compromise such u question as this, even although they were one of the most noble fami lies of Great Britain. There was however no risk of the hoanur of that family being tarnished by the misconduct of one individual. 11' bat the House him! dime it must do again. Copt. Sanders had been scot to Newgate, although he declared his misrepresent idioms pica/red.-it not fruit' a had li, art, but from a boll head. General Chivvying now said the sante thing ; but why admit that apology its the one evi dence, and rot in the other ? Thee-owlet:lion, edu cation, and rank dr the hatter, alt mu& uguinst Win. Captuin Sanden wits an unwilling wittiest, who had been forced to the Bar of that House, bat General Clavering was a man who volunteered to falsify the evideuce of aloither witness, who was absolutely his benefactiess. Thvi t e were aggro* -~ ~~ ~-., - • r..• Ire Ade e ••• - • votieg cireenrittoinee. • He had heardma meat dal Pf General Ciaverine's. honoree Peat moaner, In would 'auk, was the teeteotiriff a Centric 1...41c.e.. its offering timid. to a %Isure, to pUreb Mir poNmArvit P What wolild tile pohlse any to them; It. wire) /0 tunny po-tpinieue-mbi of ti , is questitur, :and 'Ate, cut iitti,j Captain SHIMit-11.•es . twt;wtei the. aU limed ti clieriel Clavering to evicapel t its might alai peer to the lothlic. rod the tiousessisised,lbc.posi: . poising this qatstion. toe Mello oft itt seatirkiedeil If they viewed this io themium. Marks as 'Anil Lear, they ivoidd say, that • Thiouga tattertstetos4o small sites *rat, fishes seat) ar pram hate all. : . • . • y • Mr. %Viten:teems below by makiette in altivinn to some words that had fallen from the ilocouraltie Baronet-who ta4.l •poken is farrier ar.tiespeset veriug, amounts ig to AU attack upon the (-lemon able Aloter of the eleven, against the I.oyall)alrd., oe to some iiicousistedeies liaviag bee., otvieresble in. his (Mr. IVarillit's) evidence, as well , as id that of the General. " 1 illitsk isood Mr. W.). it is rather hard that the Hon. Baronet should go iota . en attack upon the lion. Mover of those olutrges, out of which this present questioo bas ;aim', as it is both unjust and uuntitelded. If the 11nrioura able Ltaroicet dunk it nettesswy te, make d Pastes attack,, instead of one cpinebeil as an insinuatioo; I shall meet hint a that point. At the time my I louotimble Friend was asked the ques tions alluded to, there was evidently no obia it. and no motive for prevaricating, or -ender/out lug to conceal the truth bat in 'vein' to Gea. Claris" ihts there OPPrAro eo leattli been a shorn, and that motive was no other than mideavouritso o excels - pate the Llake .of York; by oterthrowink the testimony of the principal witukas.• against him. General Clivering was s voluntary wit. need, pot culled by the Hauer to year Bar, or he Miss evidently eollarlitig with Mrs Lowiena for the purpose of deceiving the House ; and indeed he positively tells you so, for he aftertards •eittl he was not a voluntary witness, but th.it Lowten had told bun to precut! to be a volunteer to the busiiiess. lhir. Loirt.m, too. contradicted him; and yet the floe. Banniet say, he eau bring for vyard witnesses to abew that General elsvering mereiy in error of judgmeut. If pots believe General (slavering, he wee at first colluding) avid if yet believe Mr. [Anton, he (G.:n. Alavethio apart have 'lee" KiviKt *hide acrott tit attlia Barr as to what had happened in regard to liispromoninia. Undoubtedly then. 'if them letters hail not heel -iliscovereri and prodwoed.• all that (3era. Chat erre; said would have gone very far to overthrow the tattle; molly of Mrs. Clarke, in .the minds of thesesebe were disiuelined to bslisrre here--Then come the* letters, uuif they comes t ueral t;lavering to reed* fy his tevaiutony, anti all he says, is, that he did not remember them. ;an perfectly certain. that tha wig-siatement of. Oen. Ciavering could ant have eseapcd , notice, although he had 1101 been called a second time .to the- Bar.--tf tke prodresion of the letters, and his first eramioatirm, nail oc c osceak wee import, evemalthough he had not enter nisei. cowl time to the Bar, I ti *ha it would hare Yobs perfectly isliptemilslit shot he could here been an. .lowod to go eipy.where except &sect from hence to Nee. gate. I never beard an instance of swore the feet prevarivstiou. situ. C. Is Have yea had any conversatior..eoeinnenscation a vtli Clarke upon the subject of Army Promot loos r" He aroavcre, " No, I never Isuct." Suppose then he had had that letter sheivii him at that moment:, would it not have been a somplete anent diction of his testimony, and demonstrated pre beywid a doubt. - Printed paper. have appeared, which state that General Cleve.-mg has not expected to have Wen dZaatimitt, except •upoip a certain point. That surely skews his tuirrew contracted view of the subject, and !lbw little he is acquaiitted with the nature of et idence. When we or.: to:d that he it one that is not fit, in point of head, to stand an exeinituttiopi, such as that it he tit. I would ask you, to be a Gut - bend )flittr ? Is lie fit to evevinend at Gibraltar, or in this country, or in any part of the World? 1 1 1i' . .ki regard to his family, I undoubtedly feel for them in the stronge4 possible manlier; but Captain Sandeo too had relatives, a wile sad a family. Why • not skew compassion to the one es well its to Inc other ? It is inertly because some Hon. Gentlemen hove had more oommuuication with the one than they have lied with the other. Undoubtedly, they have great compassion fur General Glowering; but louder inert.; is ionictilurs cruel, and I- think it would be most cruel, in the present instance, be cause men-v to him would ire injustice lo the pu1...• lic. Such u case as On+ ought, itide.vi, to idf .rti a signal example of degradation and praiii.'ini lit ; for the *device goes to strike at the vital principles of society. Ns mutt can persuade me, that, a a man can come and !prevaricate here, he is not equally capable of prevaricating elsewhere, and even of inducing others to prevaricate or peipre them selves in Courts ofJustice. There is nob noising hut • the life of some unhappy and iinfortutiate individual might hereafter go nom' aura evidence as that of Cieneral Chivering, if we in .4lect our duty iii this instance; I might upon such nit occasion as this refer to the authority of en author of some cele brity, and possessing a great deal of point, amongst t h e common people of this eountry„ with whom many of them may sav--.- " For if rich men Him us were to awing, • " It would thin titelantl such ortubers to aria& " Upon T)buru tree. SIP+ word.s . as there in iy be applied, with at merming any harshneva to tint individual, but mere* ly justice to the country; for in every ?molt of view the House must be convinced General Claveriog has most grovly prevaricated, and most be puilisit ' ed liccortliag!y." Mr. Ptitcevst.'said, from the part he had taken in the binnium, since its commencement, he could not give a silent vote upon that occasion, he w ould therefore state shortly the erounds upon a Inch be had formed his opinion, which was in favour of the motion. It was because he favoured it, dust he wee desirous they should postpone the consideration to a future day, thin the friewls of General Cleveriug might avail themselves of every advantage, and have no occasion to say, that he del lint meet all the iu dufgeasce to which lie was entitled. Ile could not Me from the evidence, what defence they could, . set up for him ; that evidence by which , iti his opinion, leas _fairly convicted of prevartere• It appeared from that, that he led _ '