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any longer substituting this Bill for the Bill of Suspension, which was passed on account of certinu inquiries pending. Those inquiries that were then pending are now closed, and we are new in pos session of the Third Relent of the Commit tee of Finance, corroborative of their former opinion; and having such opinion, ure we now to shriuk from the pursuit of our original object ? The Lords will say, we agreed to the passing of a Suspension. Bill, till you (the House of Commons) should get possession of cer tain information ;" and they will ask of you, • How long have yon been iii poisessien of these inquiries ?" To delay this measure, therefiire, is not deeling properly with the House of Lords."— Since we are now in possession of that tiepin t, we Ire bound to act candidly towards thesis. If we Isere not the power of leeching princes discrenosi, at least let err endeavour to prevent bill 1111WIll, tem porising policy. Having, as I conceive, done my duty, I shall leave it to the House to discharge their's, and shall conclude with moving for a similar Bill its that of lust Session. The Hon. llember then moved .4 for leave to bring in a Bill to prohibit the gritinitig of opieeti its Reversion, or fin .1 • t Lives, with the Benefit of Survivorship." The C94NC61.1.0a of the. EICIMQVICIL " have always been surprised at the manlier in whieli gentlemen have magnified the importance of this measure, by comparing It to Magna Charts, and anppoeiiig that it iiivolveri in it every thing that was vital in a state. I certainly hare never di,- Rinsed my opinion, and 1 here always stated, that 1 never conceived that there was any tiling of that magnitude or importance attached to it, that was • given to it either on the one side or on the other. As a measure of economy I never thoiNlit there was any thing in it. It will wither weaken the prerogettve of the Crown, nor 1:41.e any effect iii securing the liberties of the subject. Having stated toy opinion as to the little importmice that can he attached to Bile subject, I shall now state the grounds why I think it out expedient to wet with the motion upon the present occasion. We have 1 an Act of Parliament at present iii force, and dur ing the iutervul between this time and six weeks after the coramencemeut of ~e'tt Session, no grants of reversions can take place, nor any offices' put out of the ,reach of. either House of Perlis ' ment ; and ae have already this third Report of Finance upon our Table, as to which, notice of a motion has been gives' by an Ilonountble and Learned Friend for next week. Cutler these dr curnstancee, I conceive that it would lie most pru dent to delay bringing in such a Bill us this, till slier the discussion upon dud motion has takes, blace. It may he attended with imonvenienee to ring it forward sootier than next session, chile no public advantage can be stated as likely to arise from it. lam happy to find the Noble Lord acknowledges we ere at the present moment in possession of the best state of the eurtaincion ; but if so, would it not be limit impolitic and im proper to adopt too muddy any reform under even the most specious pretesices ? It would be better to keep things as they are, rather than aim at Mt prating what is already so gond. I have no other object in view that, to indite« the House to pease, till they get all the intisrmation that can possibly be got, its to the places most limper to hr abolished : awl to Le tb,liVligi:ea that there sill he sidficieut time during the stipulated period of next e ission, to discuss cud pass such a Bill as the osie now No rris-1." Mr. Blnnes. 4 . Although 1 originally brought forward this measure, it certainly was not my nitro- . thin to precced 10 a renewal of it this session, for the very moan's resigned by the Right Illoilouralile Geetleinan °Nowak., show sentiments I did not previounij know upon that subject. At the same , time, 1 have un Newel to complain of the Noble I rul, p e r of say other person, for ague' pressing the stibjeet npou the Hou-e; for whim a bill of this kiwi is enwe brotight form..ird, it is public pro perty, Held: every Mali has a right to exercise his understanding. Smote such is his nl I eel *stilly wish that he may hate Fetter success ill his %midi. than it formerly }wad in niter. With tegard to my own eentiments upon this subject, they re main as before, I think the Bill is such as ought to tie made perpetual. Thinking as I do that six weeks will be sufficient to go through the Bill its all its stage.' next session, and that nu ailvaiitege eau arise Iron pressing it forward somber, I cannot agree with the motion HOW mai e ; the more espe. redly as some benefit may be derived from our rc es,iring further itiformation upon the subjed." Lord Hesse Perry sail, that although the ob servutions used by the ltt. Cielbtiellimb site, were surf, as he hsd matiprinly he (Lord 11. Petty) could not avoid considering them extraordinary. He dill tot 'husk the bill celculided to effect any exteninve relief; yet such relief as it wide calculated to effect, ought not in his op • to be rajettid at tido, moment. The lit. Hon. Gee. Remelt had entitled to the tune in which that mea sure was brought forward, hut before he could drew any nufarvourable conclusion, lie was belied to state in whet consisted the difference betweeu tivis anal the other sees* in which the Illeusilre sea niloptisi unanimously by the House. The Rt. Hon. Gentleman was obliged to hese recourse to the Or ders of the House in defence of hie positioic and had thought proper to quote a notice of an Hon. Friend of his !Lii. 11. Petty's,) on the siibject of reversions, Litt whets they coneidered that that imil the other House had had a difference upon the eubject, he ems sore they would see the propriety of giving sufficient time for the cooeidenitiou. With respect to the siterious pretence of refis in, about which the Rigin Honourable Gentleman haul spoke'', he could only say, that it hail met the uniinisnous cone carreuve of tie House ; sod if it was calculated to mislead the country, lie could not help thieking that the Weld Honourable Gentlemen Mel liven wanting In his duty to permit it to pato with such • an universal sanction. All he would say with roe Ppect to the Bill was, that when brought fore ard lwfore it lied met with the UlliiillMollll emicurrence of the [louse ; amid uow, Niter the fullest considera tion, he thought that Gentlemen would not niamilmi it, striaigthened as they were in this principle by the gesieral feeling and conviction front without. Mr. Tiganee 'laid, that the House meet • feel • that the opposition to the present 1,114 amounted to e contempt for their former decision in favour of a similar bill, a gree d tii utile 11111 l ()tidy in Ili, coulee of the former session. As to the merit, of . • • . the till itself, he hail. no (Towandar of saying any , thing in its fume' : at all events, he half nu tiecee; sity fur it, as there wits not a single, *matured urged-in opposition to it. In b;s ortionsin that woe not only a tit time. hat a strict parliarnesitary time : it was neceitswy tli.tt six weeks' should be added, as it was passible that•Perliarnent might be prorogued. The Lord* had opposed the bill upon this gereral principle, that it interfered with the prerogutive of the Crows., lie hod heard that due 'Moister was bold enough to say, that he would oppose the measure if it was for no other reason than that the Commons had agreed .0., :t. lie would appe a l &chef her it was lint the most come meet course, as they had not I;h:tuged their mitals on the subject, to scud it again to the Lords to know their °pintos,. The Right Honourable Geri tlemee had said, that nothiug %mild lie gamed by it no the score of economy : he alloised that sin great m0.1011;11 saving would take plater, but a little saving would result, mid 'natty of timer little sav ings, if pa rsevered in, would finally be productive of essential benefit. lie also thought that inuch was• due to public mini mu. Same gentlemen might wish to apply to it the epithet of public cla moor, but the feeling.s of the imbue were not to be tnisrepresented or trifled auto. Wherever a constitutional reform could be promoted, they ought to anticipate the pithlic sentiment, and go before their wishes in the correction of what re. gutted amendment. The Gentlemen on the op s postte side might to give better reasons for post poning the monism sir else say; that no reversion bill should be passed at all. Ile wished to know, whether the Right flonounable Getat;;.:num menet to suggest nun,• thing on the third report—(Here the Chancellor of ,the Exchequer signlficrl that he did roll—lle did hot mean then to suggest any thing uf:er remanding, re-appointing, modelling, and re-itiodcilitig the Committee, he ea, deter mined to do nothing, and melting a ould be done, Tiles.' that side of the House bad taken it up. lie would ask, was that the way to treat the politic temper At that moment lie would dish to see the measure proceed from the opposite side, be t:WM: there was more authority to give it effect, but as they hail refused it it felt up oa this other, who, with tees powers to enforce, bad Venter era! to prosecute. The Right lion. Gentlemen see sued to hint bolder against reform now than lie was , in the lust session : a circumstance trot east ly,acconnt able to those who respected popular opitnons . Ile wished it to be understood by the country, that no great relief front burthens, great alleviation of taxes would or could result teem u; but then such regulatinus might grow out of it, as would tend to great reformation and proper appli cation of the public expeieliture. did not think it proper or decorous, that the Lerils should have only three. weeks to consider the. I•trittesa, which, in point of fact, was all that was proposed in be allowed them. If Ministers would pledge themselves, that atone any day in the iies;. session. it sr;Ould be made a Ctsninet measure, lie would agree to any thing they proposed ; hut as far as they had gone as yet, they had pronotineed it not worth cliscussion--am opinion in whir!: he could not join, front the heitelicial conseqoenees which seemed to sitn to result from it ; stud, among others, its tetelet.ey to redact the influence of Site l'iown. Mr. Pintrant I.leptetniel. Mr. WRITORRAb &lid, that he would not occu py their attention for any length of time; he could lint, however, help observing, that it appeared ra ther extraordinary, that the plain blunt statement of a plain blunt man should nut have produced the same effect at one time ;is at 'Mother. The Weis. tees, it scented. could vote upon that occasion, but they could not speak. The Rt. lion... Gentleman lied said, that en Roo. Friend of 11;s was to briog forward a :notic' grounded uponi the Third Rereiri. The Reversion fl:11 had herti brought forward befoie the Third Reprirt was mit, it had (wen that very little real saving would result to the ',ethic. It might be true in a purtietibir case, but *twit the principle was once enforcer!, and the cases added together, the saving would be found to be consider able. The Itt. 1 lon. (halt. hints .1 f feel seised upon reversions, whirl; ini,iht in some degree 'account for his relactence to rebequish the principle. it had beam said that a check aught to be put to the spirit of Reform ; lest it ought to he explained in what that spirit was injurious, cod haw it mss like ly to act to the disadvantage of the comitry. Eco nomy was teamniiieerled ; it wits recommettsled by a Cosninittee of which lie (the timelier) we, chair soon ; and some other arguments must he adduced to chew that it was impolitic, benne they njected it on the recommendation of such authority. They were told that a Shooter of the Croe n (the Lord ('hant! llor) had said that he would ad vise the king to greet reversions, because the House of Commons weir hostile to it. Pos sibly le; oared much to reversions, and wield wish ta owe more. An 1 Imintirable eaccitleitian had talked of wide wasting powers, perhaps they might endure into+ wastnig—ifutelinten endured much wastine. lbe hoped that the advice given by the Lord Chancellor would nut Ice adopted. Stich comm.l was not adapted to the present, nor to any mate of the country. The conduct of the 3liiiistry upon that occasion ; their reluctance to enter into debate upon that question, reminded him of whet he had beard respecting inotikeys: it wait said that they could speak if they would, hut they would nut for fear they should be set to work. Upon the whole lie was fivnitrahly inelined to the motion, and retunied his hearty thanks to the Noble Lord, for havi n g brought it under their consideration. Mr. CANN IWO amid, that he thought liiinSelf al ways at liberty tor exercise his discretion *to to the period of the celeste in which he thought proper to tier. The vote he should now give was in exact conformity with that lie had given before. With lariat to the question of Reversional, lie did not think it of such importance us the Noble !Ant seem ed to iniuginv ; there was no need of paisiont OH the oreesion. It *night be said against Reversions, that they put it mat of His Majesty's power to re ward murices, bermise they anticipated grouts ; but it alight lie urged on the other side that they of ferried as atittittlant to the public man by the eon "Weenie' that the reward •of his labotint should &wend to his chtldren ; either side might be embraced without subjecting the advocate to the imputation of any unfuir principle. rpm' he whole, he thought that the arguments in fa ts • . your of Revervioo were better thee tiles. against it. The public feeling, Ile was adverse lay on the other • side, and in balanced and *doubtful eases, that coosideretion ought to decide them. If there was • difference between the ten It niseir of I'adi.i ment, that was not the moment to scare° the differ mire; he would follow up 'its votr of th: former night. by toittoluiug to uct on the eueperr-ise. rip to the time rerreed tn. With respect tw the :els II e which the Lord Chancellor bad beer) self- to nave given, he could only elate, that tile white stars' was new to hum, he had never heard it lit fore, .eel did not helieve it. He hoped he exculpated biles self Ift)111 the .mange of inierlidesieney, or any iodi nation to avoid the dimiue.i. on of the I I neginst. Mr. Poesosur raid, that the Right Hon. Gen tleman app aired to him to pursue ao odd line of arginneut, ellen he represented the motion as ob structing the operation of the act of WA W 0041011; itwas a strange suede of obstructing, to endeavour to give it perpetual operation. The Right lion. Gentleuran bad said that public opinion ought to determine us iq rases of a doubtful nature ; but he concluded with stating that in that doubtful case, lie was not decided by it. The rue:wile bad been represented as perfectly iodifferent ; au °O nion, in which he could not agree : it would hit., a great effect in reducing the power of the 'Moister of the day, and that lie considered a mutter of ma terial and not of trivial courtrii. Mr. l'etteevat. explained. • . Mr. 1). GIDDY supported the inceno. -• Lord l'oectirseitt said, that the Chancellor of the llexcheoluer lied stated that incomomieweies would arise from the Bill, but haul not coudt.ocend od to mention in what they consisted ; he was Cure the whole country would feel drat Ministers had not met the quest mu fairly ; he regretted that the Bill did not lull iytu abler hands ; lie had done his dety iu bringing it forward, and it was tur them to decade upon it. Strangers being onlered to withdraw, the (Wise divided, when, we understand, there appeurtd for the motion 106, against it 1-21. • LOCAL MILITIA. Lord CASTLCREAGN moved for the third read ing pf the Local Militia Bill. Mr. limes opposed game of the clauses ; that which imposed upon the parish a fine of 131. for every nem w which it Was deficient, he • thought unjust; and that a hieli permitted the eulistuient of the men from the local militia while on duty 'auto other service, he considered highly impolitic. ile thought the local militia, when eutbodiid, th. 0.141 have the same pay ns the regular militia alien embodied, for theft reasons fie W0111(1 flbjeCt ire the clause. to which he alluded, and hoped the House unuldl concur 11111 the opinion of the objec tionable tendency. Lord CA •TI.F.IMAG/1 then prepnsed a clause to he added to the Bill, by way id ruler, to allow Officers of Volunteers to transfer their eervices to corp.. of yeomanry ; unit also a clause to permit Vice-Lieu termini to grant ccemnissions in the Local Militias, isi the absence of the Lord Lieutenants, which were agreed to. He then proposed another amide prohibiting the volunteering lute tie !hie, during the period of tr. • g, of any recruit raised for the Local Tibetan, under the penalty of eel. prthine,.(l a short conversation, in which Mr. Wildfire i.i , Mr. C. W. Wynne, 11.1 r. awl Ain Wandiesineolesicted loth; clause. es h.eier. ectch .1 thriorgli the artifices of reerrsitiog officer's, and in which Mr. C. W. Wynne intimat ed his iutetition of proposing a clause to prevent my Local Militiaman from volunteering his ser vices at any period, either into the navy, marines, or regulars. After uha words from Lord Castle reagh, the Boise wrist into a Committee on the clause, the report was received, and the cht.i.e or dered to be added to the Bill by way of rider. Mr. C. W. WYNNE then propissed the dense to which be hail tribe. ter', when a division took place : For the Clais.e tey Apiust it ll4 COM MIT 114. 01 SUPPLY. Upon the motion of Mr. Ilessissue, the House resolved itself iute a Committee of Supply. The Right Hon. Gentleman thee said, that as the Re solutions he bed to propose, were those ordinarily adopted by the house .;- he did not apprehend they could at all be objected to. After several stew for the repairs of roods in England and Scotland, and for liiland Navigation. lead been voted, upon id pro pnsition for geantiog 10,0001. for re-printing the Journals of the House ; Mr. C. W. WYNNE remarked, that after the ex lx use •n had been incurred of :001001. annu a lly for ise eciiipletitig the sets of the Journals, they could be purchased of booksellers, at as low a price, bound up, complete, us the uteri binding would cost those whp received them gratuitously, as presented by the (louse. This gave rise to n conversation, in which the SPEAKI.It observed, that he had plaid So guineas for a set, lis which he had hart occasion ; and ex plained that this sum hail been originally voted, in pur•nance of it Report of a Committee. who lied recommended, in 1801, that six tribunes should be reprinted spatially. to pot a complete set into the possession .of each Member of the House. The resolution Wall at length agreed to. A Resolution for granting a sum of money to indemnify persons acting under Buton Hompeseb, when he had a letter of margin., being objected to by Mr. WiIiTIMEAD and Lord fllNar PETTY, wits for the present withdrawn. Other Resolutions were then agreed to, the House resumed, and the Report wus ordered to be received to-morrow. Mr. GRATTAN moved the Order of the Day for the House resolvin:s itself into a Committee on the Irish Insolvent 'Debtors' Bill, which was agreed to. Mr. Nay ELL iu the Chair; the seve ral clauses of the mu were rend and agreed to. "Elie House resumed, and the Report was ordered to be brought up on Wednesday. The Coin : iaiiiionitte Fund Bill was read a third and passed. The other 4 )rdprs of the Day were then dis posed of, and the House adjourned at 11,414• PAST (hit O'CLOLti. .t• The Wheel gces round oti• Thursday next.— ro•fitn%ey and Co. hope to supply their friends with • 10,0001. 5,01411. 1,0001..5001. Ite. Ticket- awl Shares are selling, warrauted mainsail, at their old established State Lottery-Offices, 26. St. Margaret's Hill , floroii 4 rli, smi ito where ou their account in Loudon. , • .. . -• . • ..rmu4s. 4 r ("niriro.vt. - litmus' 13r THE mower or coltmohti TM/ *LIZ. • . . • ...... , . iIOTICC i—AORT 1 li. Lord A. H•tri vrarr.-..-be et 111 , !ia PatfOrilte EH fsr as re. curds Lord Cartterv3ilt's rear:knee.. • - i ORDER% Cr THE DAY, atat•93•- Counatittet .•o tte I riuli ( 'email silo nen, Fl.OlllOl -.nu- Orr COINDHEY:stiou of tbr Report on tire Atolir vitt, Hilt. Natter. . i I' . Mr: Il•stiv MARTIN, to refcr the third Rro.oll ou Pub- . . he Oftitru, to a Ciisorr.ittee of tire whole House. • •- 'orthituu 01 /Oft DAY, ATTIE V 7. further r , •,,rs * n ratio i , rl.irt Brport on the Iriuh llallial Bill--.i:utonrittre on Odic... and Ca uktauge mar ICI . • NO'llElOl. . air. Aati,—.4:•Daioltratiou of the fourth Report of the Cuouto.tter oa Pithltr (Mk,* Mr. Ceuurrs,--lostrnetions to the Committer tat ft,. Othce litokrtiege Lill, Oral Val- introduce a chose Incur. tog )lriubrrit tuArp ~e ou crAili prc v. Jag to %titles tbetr settle, that the)•bare neither by theasavivea, or ethpra, time ter enured to ~..- ;coca tiny eoosideratiort„ Wl' ellhrrrd its lo: ei1.,4,..5t-olt to procnre DIED rcpro 4.+3DViti I . )/ TYE D.t Y, •Pitlf. Hi /A . ..PA:413 %labor:pew:yrs Bill, to br read a accood tint' •-•-• , 1 11041 M 11.64 ( -stipletiou Urn, to he read a Wm:4lot tot., K 61 1(1.. Lord Tum smr-..Cutrfriclerailiaa of K 1,116011 Popes,. 01IDEA% OP THE D•V, HAT I. . ' r 177 111.4 Coat*lee FtvettoltWe' Utt to be most • wood time 171 I BRITISH E SS* LONI;OX, • TUESDAY, AsOIL Tie Anglo ,outipue .tepveoatal. hit awagartl as a caues for tlovir prevont state, Ova hon•►uweot are A4:I Or11 , 11.1•Lte tl.c Koperm of MAT HI A, 'oi , 1%.111111113.11 , , at tactrq lIIUUthe 41ter 4 6rurril peace. le It will be seen, o,s reference to our report of that business in the I louse of Lords, last night, that the- Earl of I.lv k. arum. adiaitted that Mr. FREAC bed acted with ;mit' impropriety to thi• late General Sir Jona Moues. We may therefore presume, that as a peace-offering to the manes of that gallant and much-lamented hero, the said Mr. FLEUR will be immediately divested of his diplomatic functions its Spain. The qiiestion of abuses of East India Patronage, so far us respects Viscount CANTLEUZACiII, will bo brought forward this night in the noose of Coin. mono, pursuant to notice by Lord ARCHIVAL. 11.0111.C0N. The result, we assert, will be deci sive of the question of Parliamentary Reform, oust as such has excited extraordinary expectation.-•- OUr short-sighted Ministers cannot. however, sae this plain and obvious truth, and in ,tead of leaving the Noble Viscount to his tate, have exerted all their energies for his support. The Opposition s analog more fairly and more wisely , have avoided every thing that could subject it to the suspicion of a pmuty question. They have sent out no let ters ta.setitatlaz friends, respeatitig their attend ance. They have etude no attempt to pack a jury. No, they bare left the Noble Viscount as ought to be the rule in all cases.—They have lit him to be tried by God and his country. The Wa/singhom packet hus arrived at Falmouth, with Mails from Lisbon. By this conveyance we have received letters MA paper► from that city to the tith. The public and prirate accounts are crintrailiaory. 'the litter state that a French aru►l, of tio,uou men, was advancing io three column.. under Sou LT, Vlciort, and Laswaa. 011 tl►e other hand, the Poittiise-e Journals state, tlu►t the van of the corps that was advancing on the side Badajimi, and had entered Nlerida, had evacuat ed the place, and commenced its retreat, in ctou segnenre of the success of the artily of Est reinsidora. Tnis intelligence is official, bolo ; ; communicated be a letter frou► the Junta of Badajus to the :entrel of the Picvince of Aleutejo. It is also said, that Sou' fs corps, which had entered ()porta, was 103111 g ground in the North of Portugal ; and that the Spanish provinc, of Gallicia iu its rear was all in arms. Without the aid of enthusiasm, hut coolly and calmly survqing the present state of things, it seems impossible not to admit, that if ever a en...is hits ariget) since Nov. 1799, in the fate of the Cor sican Usurper, and in the destiny of Europe, it is at the actual moment. Let us try to emit a bird's eye view over the Continent, and even beyond its li lits. Never slid it present matter more interesting to every mind capable of reflection. WIN APART!: unquestionably continues to occupy the first place in the history of the world, to be the prime agelit, mover, sovereign, destroyer and resto:•pr. : t•rri H it hits are arranged, iii two lines, his vaiss.:: :ALI il g.; ill I i•o first row, the JOIEPHS. Louts, JEROME% and JOA GYi S. of his own race, or affinity ; in the second rank, the involuntarily created Monarch* of Ba varia, Saxony, and 11'irtetaberg, followed by a crowd of Grand Dukes, Cardinal., Priivas, Pii mates, Dukes, and Dignitaries, sprung„ hive the soldiers of Caput', from the teeth of the dragon. The Emperor of itussis and the king of Dee- MAIM swell the number 4 his rctsiners, rtnival by • leis impulse, and are only the organs of him will. Prom this stupendous elevation, he seers to leek down on all sublunary eiNeets,e seal to hove is soma immune chained at his fet t the proverbial into . . of furtitne. And so no Joss bt h4Ou Id !wedeln sot ... Nation conferred on him wily portion nf eno.lersten• So fallen is Eamon that ohs only da•neri lean* _ 7 . et ',there and tote! ortvrersion, in ord.., 'mime. itgrim , ly so ar quiesce iu every past art of lavtli iiipner s , , p t . . - i t