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oirh.lfhete hit beep ee tivereef s tenatect so Sesulting 'to the eletee, suit su degrading to hen from whom it ortgitiatt:d. Ater such an aggravating insult, after the "commission of as violent au outrage, which every body must feel was not directed isemist the House alour, hut which, included the Sattelter of that Hoene, with a disorderly anti marked virulence, he could not consent that the individual who was amenable slroatld gu with a pu nishment so ill proportioned to his veer. Gentle- . niers might recollect, that, upon many occasions, Members of that House had been committed, merely . ler not haying been pres-at at Eletftion 'Committee& He would *pixel to the Howie, and wee efeevinced that they would testify timer high estimation of its dignity and character. by display tug its indignant and independent ferhog upoa this occasion. The Cneeciseetia of the EXCHEQO,IIII said, lie Confessed that he did not feel as the Noble Lord did on this subject. He agreed with the Noble Lord, that the insult offered to the House was out rageous ; but if the situation of the Hon. Member was considered at the time of his departure from the rules es necessary to be observed both in public and private hie ; if his situation at the time of this 'flagrant violation of those domestic, ns well as tit il lame by which the character of the man, as well as of the member, was to be measureel ; if that was considered, something could be imagined in exte nuation of the Hon. Member's conduct. The No. ble Lord had observed, that upoa many occasions members bad been committee" for trivial, anti per hap, unpremeditated neglect ; but were the cir cumstances attending a neglect or dereliction of e 'let, which the Noble Lord had described, similar to those which must result from a behaviour %illicit had euteded upon itself the full end entire census of the House, its severe and unqualified displea mire. The House had always a prayer sense of an insult offered to it iu aoy shape. 3 his had been. in the present instance, proved ; and it was unne cessary to give any farther proof of its justly-in dignant feeling. He hoped the House would not . forget, that the lion. Member became sensible of his offence immediately aftrt it had been commit tee. and expressed the most unfeigned emit-stein. lie conceived that the offence could not be romi dered as P I :air means personal; that it was at the whole liouae, and did not attach to coy in dividual excrete% ely. He would be one of the last men to stand forth in justification of abase di rected against the Speaker. Under all those con sidelations, hue felt strongly, that the House had Moue enough, by shewiag what was to be expected, feen an nffence of this nature; which, if repeated. . 'limed be punished m a stronger mariner; and the Howie would. by now discharging the lion. Mean. bete not only insulate its compassionate considera tiOn, but support its dignity. Mr. Witeestis Wrest' said, that the Hon. Member did not stand accused of only oiw• Offetiee. So gins., had bleu his conduct, that the Chair had been [teemed promptly to cousider and decide upon it. IVithout putting the question—what would be the public opinion, if,. under circum stances so peculiarly aggravating, the House dis charged the insulter of its di„ city, be felt that a line of conduct must he pursu ed, not such us had beeu ;einem.' upon similar occasions, because there bad never existed such. A reprimand from the Speaker, should be the mode of conveying the --recommit. of the House. What would be said if such couduct was allowed to pass magsticed of it was observed upon the Journals, that the House had been insulted on one day, and that it pocketted the saffron! on the next. • Mr. Loc it It ART thought it harsh to take notice of What the 'louse paseed by, ninutly, the particular application of the insult to the Speaker. He feel himself witnessed the regret which the lion. Mem ber evinced, and was positive, thut there was a gee. Issiscomeption with respect to the lion. Memeere alludiug le the permits of the Speaker, fur whom he had sle-ys entertaiued the Ingheet veneration. And he had done all iu his power. to atone for the errors auto which his unturtuieste situation had plunged luau. 'Mr. L. then hoped, that the House would not take tiny steps which might wieisid the feelings of the Hon. Member. (A food laugh). Mr. Weernaeme said, that he hal be:l a mem ber of that Howie twenty years. and had never asi uesseal so geoss an outrage. lie saw all that passed, and every spectator must be assured, that it was merely accidi ntill that the utmost Violence hail not been used. lie recollected the expressions, *bleb were palpably directed 'wens' the Speaker, wad, if lie was called upon, could repeat then.. Au spat logy should be made to the Speaker, before the • Hoese could extend its influence. The apolugy which had been offered, what was that? Why Much less strong than had been made upon the same night, for offences, trivia" in comparison. Much bed been said of the pririlegi a of tied iltimic—inasty had stood forward to assert them, • sue to blazon its indignatiou at the violation of theirs. Nrsoos laud beers called to the bar of that House, for a beach of those privileges ; one was 'reprimanded anal discharged ; another was now its Neegate. And should the glossiest outrage ever offesed to any assembly—en outrage muttered wore impardnuable by being offered to the leper s Atetivto of the nation—could that outrage be over looked. or easily forgiven ? What was the 'metes eion of the !louse at this time of its iiishototur? Was it not said—feud him (Mr. F.) to the Tower ? As suredly. if the lime. Member felt much upon the occasion, he would have tuadeafar more ample ago. logy ; but that should not effect his discharge from coutiaeassot ; or, if it dal. the House ehonld be ashooped of its taillrilfSl and insensibility to insult. It otiqht weU l e asked, whether the Hon. Mem ber should ever again have his seat in that House; sad hie permission might be wondered at lay Ho -town, which mn with the reports of his ferocious vio lence sod the grossness of his conduct. Lie then ie. sisted upon the obligation on the House to repri mand the lion. Member. Sir H. WILLIAMS moved, el That Mr. Fuller b. "lied In the Bar, and that be should make an •Pelouy In the Hoitse."—(Nu! no ! no . 1 ) Sir F. he 41'1 1115 ,, LL did not think this apology offered by the tem. Member sufficient ; but hoped the House eettle it,er some consideaatiou for the unfortunate N • h , ,, if he had the slightest ' &retiree. would h.• the tiro. man to appear at the bar of that House, eel ample upo:ciee ; if aid so, 'he ifillifirl the 'dense wthdirl Ite coldent with that token of his regrot ansi.subonlniNt. Mr. ItYsLii .aid, that the situation of the Hon. Member (Mr. Folks) was obvious, at the time he acted eb v.ry olows'iiro4y. It was also evident. that the offence was unpremeditated. Such ex pressions as he used, could be only attributed to a man iti a state of insensibility to decorum and pio. iety, to a sense of diguity, and a sense of slime. He thought it necessary that an example should be tipoii record of what that House owed to its own character. An Honourable Member had observ ed, that it would appear strange, that the language used by the Hon. Member (Mr. Fuller), should have beet. entered on the jouinals ; cad that, on the succeeding day, his discharge fiom confinement had been inserted. With a view to preclude such an inconsistency. he would move an amendment. • 1 That Mr. Fuller be called to the bar of the House, and reprimanded." The Segatsca said, that he owed it as a duty to the House, and to the Hon. Member (Mr. Fuller,) to state, that he had received a letter from him, (Mr. Fuller,) containing an apology for many ex pressions used, respecting which- he (the Speaker) had been wholly ignorant, and if he did hear any particular application to hinisia, he would have felt as the whole House did. Sir ..11) ABISMUTHER said, that he was aati►& ed, from viewing the conduct of the Hon. Member, (Hr. Ful:tr.) the it proceeded (loin accidental circumstances. He thought that a personal apo logy should be made to the Syica{ier ► and be in serted upon the Journals. . _ The Seats as said, that as the expressions of the Ham Member, which were said to have been di rected to himself, were not entered on the Journals, there was no necessity for an 'Daemon of the ■po lsgy to him. He then said, that a few years rgu an Hon. Member of the House was under the ne cessity of making an apology to the House, which, having made, and it being inserted on the Journals, the Hon. Member was discharged. The amendment was then put, and carried un animously. Mr. Fuller being called to the Bar, the SPEAKER put on his hat, rod addressed him to the followiug effect : 4 , M►. Fuller—You stand at that hJr, in the presence of the a ited Commons of this realm, to receive a declaration of their displeasure. During the progress of a Committee appointed to inquire onto a mos* important business, your coLfilio and Idisettage sere so offensive, as to require that !louse should resume, in ordeeto rect iv• Goal the Chairman of the Committee a report of your conduct. When called upon to excuse your 4.. you farther aggravated your fault by a repetition of the same. You were afterwards rommitted to the cus tody of the Serjeant at Antis, from which you 'woke, wish unparalleled disorder, and again enter..! thew walls with tiumour and outrage. This is the head and front of your offending. For mvself, I only lelt that any Member of this House should be guilty of placing himself so such a situation as called for so marked a proceeding. In consequence of what has been stated io your favour, of sour situation, situ your early repeutance, the Howie has w:reed to extend its lenity too ards yon, ■ circumstance foe which you should be impressed with the deepest gratitude, and for which you owe your nowt hum. ble acknowlellgtnetits. Vet let not its forbearaime in tins ins•auce lead to a mistake of its Motives ; for if at any future titre you should relapse into a rept-tit:on of the outrage, I leer the only moans by which the 'louse OM secure itself from inevitable disgrace, will be to remove sou from the possibility or supporting so presumptuous a contention. am ordered to reprimand you,, and you are hereby reprimanded and discharged, baying paid your fees." It was then agreed that the reprimand be entered on the Join amis. 'lle CHADIC It LLOI of the EXCHEQUIR requested, that the Wu. Gentleman opposite (Mr. Whitbread) would defer his motion respecting Lord Chatham's Evidence, before the Committee of inquiry into the gxpedition to the Scheldt, to a future period. .41r. WHITBREAD Acid, that if the papers were printed, he did not know any obstacle to bringing fussed his motion, to-morrow; if they were nut printed, he should defer it to Monday. Mr. Foarica gave twice that lie could on a fu ture day InLIVP for the appointment of a Commit tee to inquire into the state of bogs in Ireland, and to submit a plan of improvement. Sir JOHN Nt:newer rose to present a petition from the Koolau Catholics of the county of Wa terford, a body of men in high repute for their character and wealth. He was sure that when the House entered into a consideration of the loyalty and property which was tounected with the landed securities of the country, their disabilities would he done away. He then presented the petition, which wtei ordered to lie ou the• table. Mr. Cat:Litt' asked whether the paper, respect ing which Lord Purcheater had inoved, would be brouOit up ? Mr. Cause' said, that he had in his hand papers. which, he was not certain, contained all the iiiformetion required by the Hon. Member, but which contuined some minutes which the Noble Lord.wisimil should be produced. Hr then brought up minutes ram the Board of Admiralty, respect ing the praciie-ability of investing Fort Lilly and Antwerp. Ordered to lir on the table. Mr. H. WARD moved fur leave to bring in a 1,11 for certain regulations ►especting the Royal 'Ha tint Office. Leave given. Mr. WLIARALLY POLO moved far leave to bring iii a bill for amending and espla . g the 9th Section of Art .5. of Ceo. 111 teipectiog the laws for the renewal of the I of the Charter Schools of Ireland, and the public education of that countii. Sir oats Livros? said, this would ant remedy the greater evils complained of, nor hiltil the re ferm• suggested by the Board of Educatiou. Mr. W. Pot.e yeplisioed. Mr. GRATTAII wished to have • general plan brought forward at once open this subject, and not to have detailed measures such as the present. ' Mr. LIWILIE FOSTEIL stated, that the Beard of Ediscatiou sere now employed in thawing up their report, and that they intended to due their labours, by • general plan for the Education of the Irish Pe.isaritrs . Mr. W. Puts exprebsed a hope of being able to .tring forward sin h a system: a id, after a few words Iron Mr.AI. and Mr. W. FitZugall.D, lea ,e was given to bring in the bill. Mr. W'uttaitatn had some time since moved for a return franc the Stump-Office, and to know when it might be exile( te I. 11.• also gave notice, that be uould to-inorrow note for sin me count of ail permits who had teatu out Lottery Licenses in the years ISO 9 10, and of the number of Tickets they bad sold. Earl l'sstets, as it was a matter in which the public ware much interested, moved for a copy of the Instructions to the Board which was eutrit.ted with the whole medee.il lisine-s of the army. Also, copies of all letters that had passed, on the ap pointment of the new Medical Board, between the Secretary at war, the Commander-in-Clint', the Secreihry of State, and the Mention of the Old and New Army Medical Bourda. Also, an account Of the pension's, allowances, or g ratuities, to the Members of the late Board.—Ord ered. REVERSION HILL, On the Motion of Mr. BAnnEs, a Comniittee sans appointed to inspect the Journals of the Lords, fur their proceedings on the itt veraion Bill, this Sta. *ion, and to report the same to the House. Sir J. NEWPORT Rioted for dill ackourit of sumo paid for compeusstious of fees in the Customs ut London, Bristol, and Liverpool, and of the amount of the present salaries of the persons performing the duties.—Ordered. Sir J. Newsom. then put a question to the Hon. Gentleman opposite (Mr. W. Pole). He wished to know if the retrenchments suggisted in the Eighth Report of the Commissioners of luquiay for Ireland, would be adopted ? Mr. W. PJLE replies!, that nll the first part of the Report would be attended to, and that the only pert in which there was any doubt, was, that which applied to law-offices. A couirouniration fruits the Law-Officers of the Crown, had, however, been presented to the Lord-Lieutenant un that subject. Sir J. NEWPORT inquired if any coiniounics soon from nny Commissioner of the Registry lied been made on that Report ? Mr. W. Post supposed the Hun. Baronet to al lude to a report he had received from Lord AMA's.. ley, on submitting the report to I . That paper wee very lung. and c, utained much matter, but did not throw much light on the means of retrench ment. Mr. GRATTAN gave notice. that he would to morrow briug under the comoderation of the House the subject of the seller tot Insolvent Debtors in Ireland. e Accounts relative to Irish Annuitants. on the 13th nd 14th of His pre.ent Alrjesty. up to the 14th of J ..4e last, were ordered to be laid before the 11 WC. .; I-. « st.nsitronce moved the second reading Charitable Donat , on Bill. !its. 11. Sum idstrd several objection to it, hich, however, Mr. Wit.sLarottcs w.sured hints he would be able to overcome in the Committee. Bill wus then read • second time, and CJI11.• mitted for Tuesday tentlight. DISTILLERIES OF IRELAND. On the motion of Mr. Posies, the House went into a Coustnittee ou the Irish Distillery Act. Mr. Fornit said, he would shortly state to the Committee, the. object he bad in vie.. Every Gentleman, who was acquainted with the state of 'reb ind. knew that the increase of illicit distillation had become prodigiously great, ever siute the pro hibition of the distillate's from grain. Indeed he imputed the alarming increese principally to that 1 1 measure, as farmers encouraged the illicit trade, in order to procure • market for the it produce. So greatly had this private distilling trenched upon the lawful trade, that, in 1807. the quantity of • spirits distilled by the open distilleries, was six 1 millions of gallons, and the revenue 1,170,000 l.; while, in the last year, it hail scarcely hi eu so much as one-fourth of that quantity. The inference that he drew Irons this was, that the vacua., or inter mediate quantity, between 1807 cud 1809, was supplied by the illicit diminution. It was there-' fore, necessary to look fur remedy to a radical change iu the system of Irish revenue, in so far us it was connected with the distilleries.—When he tame into office, he found the system on which be had since acted in full force. It was on it wise principle, and went to encoutuge large stills as the means of inducing parties possessed of extensive capitals to enter into the trade. However good the principle might be, yet it hail failed it. Ire land, and time illicit traffic wes carried on by small stills to ■n almost incredible pitch. His first ob ject, with a view to surmount this evil, would there fore he to promote the dispersion of legal small stills, all over the country. He did not mean to discourage the large mills. but merely to give equal chance to the small ones, by diecutitinuing the bounties to the former. This had pertly hero done in 1806, and the reduciiiiit that then took place might family be considered, by the great dim il lers, as the notice to which they were entitled, after embarking in a speculation ra► the authority of Go vernment. of a dispositiou, ow the part of that Government, to pursue 'mother system. His se coud object would be to do away the apprehension that existed in the minds of thee. reedy to com mence distillation on n limited plan, that they would be compelled to work qt . in a 'limited time. In this point, limitations similar to tht so uhich ex isted us Scotland, would be adopted, and stills would lee averaged at 1.50 gallons, unless their capacity exceeded that quantity. lie acknowledg ed that there were some grounds for the complaints of the Irish Distiler on the fluctuation of the Re venue Laws, amid would endeavour to obviate simi lar complaints, in the system lie now proposed to have adopted, by grusiting Licenses fur three years, which would give stability to a speculation, instead of f ur use year, as hint hitherto been the pine nee. There wus another ['Oita which was de serving of all consideration, anti which he had been induced to adopt, after the most minute investiga tion. it was, at once, to reduce the duties from their present rate ss. lid. per gallon to 21. liti. dle want satisfied that the Iteveoue would not suffer by this; for. though, in the first year, there /eight be a risk of a diminuti )))) , yet, whew the ilhc~t trade. was dirotroy ed, which, lie cue convinced, would be the tendency of t h is nie.aitre, the outs 1 . :1141 to Governineut by the legal duhller , w..uld much more than cour.tethelanee the Leer rate of ditty. Another of his object* would be to simplify the 11 10 ,,e übo tin* enterel into the tiou Its& could slot be raj:eche. to hs. Ti e le,s cuth WWIIit ilt reVti ue:e, it would he the mote sclt4nia, would, thyrefore, elitiret ) , the .; e tinctiosts and &MS - hill Ls on the (insist ty i i r ifs, mid simple chur l& the I i r the quantity distilled. Co avoid be pem ic of collectiug the revenue, he po i hove the collectors uf hearth -rules sod tuxes employed also its cunectihg this revenue, without the nits-reunion fif 11:e • Ili, object oiti to rubs si lii* I "%i , uod ht. would ;Cattily listen to erery vide of the Mouse , nitht-ut tintdsw, or difference of lettings on ot h er fore inviled grieletattst to e•.ittinti:•:, every idel, dint would tend to 1. n.!ei sure generally *Delta. Bebe:Ate, tian,:l situation it might he thought "so, n ,„ soil object. By the p ro p ose d vt stem, Si., of th e people also, which uer.• vo det nt , by there illicit stal:s, would the hews now contemned, %%wild, forced, Income more resisectea. of persons would be put dosti. It thnse, who, without the engtliZNl. e known to the Itlegistrate, k. pt of spirits, illegally distilled, under sh originated snarly of the tids which 1,3 much distressed Irrlnod. With Ouse 01, be would move, Tilsit the liss.;t si :s to usk from to 'sling iu st laws In finet' r• %petting theeli-t !lotion Sir J. Nt.'s post exprrsst I t,i 6,111,fi turasnrr pe..1,,,,,51 by the Hight unJ his teastis,e,s to co-opesute with I. lay in hi. 'sou, r, iu curs) 111 e; It 111110 llCCOntrii 11,04 the prop, went to do t. List be bud for the pres,st-,1 upon thr euissith. ration of she hurl ecer wis.loJ to impress upon them of disper.ing titian over the cou;.l had t.c.ce tickets the i.eirve of the Hon quevtiuir of with.lrai%ing the bounties fr stills. On oue or tvro ruiiits of rnioor howei,er. be dillered front the Hight 11 man. He could uct impute the inc illicit trade so much to the prohibit:lei ticar front grab,. air it wa, known to p) great extent before the pacing of th Neither could he accord with the surrey, PI urtessary or beneficial to It gave rise to frauds ou the part of and corrupt counivaoce on the pert of (Merl.. Ifs view would be that, eel best attentiou to the *object, he Issil the best, namely, to adopt the syttern that was, to charge a tertaio duty mono portion to the cupacity of the still, open to the trader by his exertions to of it if he could. The Right Hon. he had got quit of the extra expense and the Clauier of fraud., &et . by tak the Excise and eutrutting it to the hear lb rates, anti amassed taxe s but %Weed this would uever answer. Evet were not too well collected now, ain another dut) to the Cull. ow*, the re suffer *till wore. This wet the only. of diflereoest between him acid thw Hy *We Gentleman, owl this he hoped come in the Committee. The uh!•eiti the Right Hon. Gentleman lied antic he had to offer, though he world mill reNolutious he had , previourli• prriNai ceived, and entered uu the Jowled*, n' deliberate view of this imports/it e• country, from which he bathe li, "Ulu to that House. Mr. releren noticed, that the Colic , sassed Taxes, &c. were released 'ruin their duty, during the six %later ii untl distilleries were most employed, and quently be enabled to *Revd to totem convenience or lois to the revenue. the system of surrey, in opi,ciainoti cease; and trusted the presets' ima•ur , unanimously supported by Irish which would convince the prople of it was for their good, and that ii fully enforced. The charge from I risen from 30s. to 31. 61.91. 1 81 . 54 ' 1641. This was a pool' how moth the license syztem. The lattrr ! rendered impossible by the U,,i(( u, lowance of countervailing duti s how ■nd Ireland.corild never be carried into it could not be ascertained what was branch on the spirits of Ireland. 'Mr. licas.siroan wished in know if n sation would be wade to the holders consequence of the mho lon of Mr. Fosita ►aid, it teas isupossild; there would be an endless recurrence wholesale dealer. and whoh•rule dcd tee. He had idea locked fur piecedew in the conainutatasiow of slit; tt itemisation had bet it in.t,le to eir tielJe Mr. tairprus..i or the 1,1 gerted ; but swet.l with Sir J. 1...1. system of liceuse was webs...We to ti Hr also contended for poiue alterawn of the Mr. FuSTER rebutted the argument ter point. Mr. C. IJ. 111;11:111!MN rema,kr. ►intion between Car sentiments of tl.l nouroble Gentleman (Mr. ■ud the last, end aci used hini the revenue:, enterprise, and tratir by the veccillations of his on him to make up his mini'. fol!y au fine he introduced a system, clionit! *lit to that which he i;a11, only one s•' ell hurnself to support, at d thert:ty tt perturia, on the faith of Gristl:l:.:l large capitals in distil!erie , firm , I. Ile noticed in particular the house ot and Co. in Limerick, adttr.h find I great speculations on the orength o ti ment held out by the Right then went into a vicar a the proi" . • and contended that large tort.ol ono , . This wits pr..vr,l I I di :4,11'60n in Englund, where lite: , liege •nd illicit trade wu• t.to furtlitr corrobortitcl by Sco‘liati, tht distill . ra e. r rtettue' ay 1e Ita• e , • 1 allot / 4. to tY malt * it lurrrqt,d I fi lhl , tli arinvl t of /it; ti ts, • ild Tt? • 11„," . fu .1 , 114 dal 4.t j. Ire .tt.g:t (Nut tt• ; 1)543 40, , •••tl 111 ply •• ..! , • 1.• 1411" ." low I L . a, hi , C;t• It; tittt, ;e lir Ito runt' * ) Ir Itt 111 1rri4,4•.. 11 1 . 40 1111 I. (it 11 11 r..“.., rl 1.•! 11141 I a, • It. t• 1 1 3•0 I , r tu 4,i 111.,t hrl l!g • i! " 1.- • Il e rct .11 t.t.nbVt, .tr) ; rt tidy Limn 11,e .n 1 rfarn tl.r lar, ; e 111 T 1a IMrtahl e. , " it Liao. lertat.e of 1..1 ay Ott of 4'1,1.1. exist to a ter, IF hat proaaple 4 43411 d vet - tuset, - if the trade r q u ' l $ „ t d r the • oa ?ha Gc l i , ever t 3C Bla.", at of la'rL-,.• Wit Drably in pro. th e unit li-ase o nu.ke utter :rut. IL oat.' 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