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'7 S " •~ I Bishops ; and when the feet the British arms became too strong tot her people, they retired w the mountains. and after rem rating their vigour, they returned to carry desolation to the Very dwelling% of their assailant*. The Soots rose in repeated insurrec- Once, and retaliated on their foes by mere than one successful re bellion. They got possession of their Rieg, and Then Wild him into the hands of his enemies. The scene of carnage and dem lation was renewed after the Reiteration .• and, if the Scots fell, their only consolation was that they dyed their avenging swords with the Wood of their esteems." When a mad ventured to ex. press his opinion with regard to the Catholics, no matter how good that indirieital might be, raver bow moderate his sentiments, he was pointed out by the Catholic Association, and his name was ful. minted by that body with the heaviest censure and abuse. 31r. cr Connell, when speaking of Lone Manners and the late Attorney. 4)eneralship of Mr. Saline, observed, that there was no honour in having such men for their keens. But he (Mr. Daimler.) wool(' Say that the Bar of Ireland felt mitre pleasure 'in emociating with inch men fts a Manners, a Moore, and a Saerin, than they did with those persons who composed the Catholic Bode. But rest was not the object of the Association—their efforts we're directed to scatter abroad tie seeds of dioaffsetion and illsconterat. But we had not only the speeches of the leaders of the Cathillie Association ; we had also their character as men, and the criterion by which they setinieted these whom they deemed meat worthy of beleoging to their body. At a recent meeting two Onions were introdneed whose names were well known—the one was Mr. Devereaux, and the other the notorious Archibald Hamilton Rowan. When t ie.-se gen tlemen emend the morn they welt greeted by the most unbounded applause ; and why ?—beeatiorMr. Derereenx was the only Ise:r eining deleg..te of the (.'atholie Convention in 1793. !MeV eon. eel/ said, •• he (Mr. a) must be admitted a member th a matter of course." So that the circumstance of his having belonged Wean Aeseelation which was &stemmed to he illegal, and was supetesitel sa oath, was alone suffcient to recommend him to the partictdar no. the sef this body, scd to entitle him to be enrolled as one of diets members. Mr. Hamilton Rowan was a character well known to this country ; he was apprehended for seditious and treasonable nets, and he (Mr. Damon) verity believed he was tainted with tree- SOIL ( Wm, hear.) Ile contrived to make his escape from prison, and got safe ofFto Franco, where he lived an exile far some years. By the lenity of Government, he was allowed to go beck to Ireland** and live there.untnoleoted, and the best return he could make to this net of forbearance was, to belong to this Associe:ion. But why was all this feeling evinced towards such characters as these ?—The reason was obvious is it was for the purpose of reciting, in an ignorant Giese peasantry, a feeling of dissa tisfaction towards the Government ; it was tto create in them a hatred of the laws and of all the constituted authorities: Wins, in fact, to prepare them for acts of open 'rebellion, if nicessaiw to support the extravagant pretensions of this Hie gel and threatenirg body. It was his opinion, that most of the evils in Ireland were attributable to the Roman Catholics. (Hear, MAIN km, from the Opposition benches, and echoed back he the 31bliseerial side.) Ile regretted to be obliged to say this, but he hit it in his consciente to be so ; and he elm felt it to be his duty It eisciere thus openly his honest conviction that such was the fact. .It ems his misfortune to differ with the Right Honourable Gentle slitott the Attornrj-Gmeral for Ireland on this momentous question. Be could not het), declaring, that he had witnessed in the conduct of the Catholics of Ireland during the het three years, math which in his humble judgment was ealeanted to excite very serious feel ings of alarm, and which called tor a powerful measure from the Legislator* to suppress. Even the Catholic priesthood could not Welkeih Ikon extiressing their approbation, and even theieexeltation, .It * jogs of the Association. Dr. Curtis had told the pof Dahlin that he was a weenier, that he was filling • me or those wee were now and 'l' persecution, and that he had no ignore tigl.t to it than to the Dukedom of Leeds. Dr. Doyle, another of the Catholic Priests, in a letter addressed to ilr. Robinson, an (knowable Member of that House, had said " That the whole body of this Roman Catheters were getting ie., fated with a spirit of discontent, at the tyrannous treatment they wove experier.cing ; am! thet if any of them were to commit acts of violence, or meditate iny thing against the State, it would be in vain to expect that any of thet body would impeach the individual ; and that ham such men Me Ministers trust only expect hostility." This was the opinion of the Catholic priesthood—of the disposi tion engendered in their own people by the instrumentality of the AMOciation. He ( Mr. Dawson) also thonght the long continuance of elissanler in that country was likewise owing to the Catholic priesthood. It had been said by one of that body that no plot of any kind whatsoever could go on in any parish without the know. ledge of the priest. This had been openly stated in a Court of Justice, and bad not been contredieted. Ile (ale. Dorian) had read of one O'Sellivan who had seen is man murdered before his face, bat who refused to give evidence on the trial of the murderer. assigning as a reason that if he did his influence over his • parishioners would be diminished. He also recien. bored to have reed a letter addeened to the Catholic Association by a pettish Priest named Duggan, in which the Priest states, that many of his parishioners were ready to devote the entire produce of their corn crops to the Catholic Rent. No matter what other claims three relight he—no matter how the wants of their families might be supplied—no matter how the claims of their landlonis or their just creditors should be satiefied. accenting to this Priest they were nu sir to sacrifice their whole corn crops to augment the funds of the Catholic Association. The Priest mentioned this ss* matter of sa tisfaction ; but could any thing be more subversive of justice and principle than rich a scheme ?—Mast it not lie a most perverted mind which c o uld white to so fool a breath of the ordinary prin. cipher of justice ?—Could that man bare any moral feeling elm should recommend robbery ? And yet such was the resolution which the Prim: considered metier for congratulation ! There was another letter addressed to the Catholic Association by a person named Kelly. the parish lotion of Mellow, in the County of Cork. Kelly reconinter.ds his parishioners to supply the Association with money, " because money, he saes, "is the sinew of sat," and the more meriey which you send io the Catholic Association, the better you will be enabled to make head against your enemies. Such was the feeling of the Irish Roman Catholic Priests. He had beard much applause bestowed on thin body of men fur their exer tions in promoting tranquillity, but lie would put the question : Who was employed to sow discontent between the Protestant Cler gyman and his parishioners I—The tlatholic Priest. \Vho was it that constantly endeavoured to burst the bonds which subsisted between landlord and tenant ?—The Catholic Priest. Who was busiest at con tested elections, exciti sag political feelings, and urging the lowerelas see to ,hake off the influence of theme who were their natural friends and protectors ? The Catholic Priest. Once more he would ask, who was it that laboured to paralyse the efforts of benevolent individuals, ',besought to substitute education and religion for barbarism and *potence ? Again he must reply, the Catholic Priest. That body opposed every measure that was not likely to promote their own in fluence, and perpetuate their power. It is true they were the la. honor s, the there', the constant auxiliaries of the Cetholic Asso. ciation ; but he thought it impossible that such proceedings could be allowed to rinieirdie—it could not go on. (lien., hear.) And he should conclude by once more cepresming his conviction. that if the Trish government unelected to put down the Catholic Association, hacked by ele Catholic Priests, the Catholic association, backed aw the Priests. would put down the Irish Government. Colonel CA It Eld" though:, if the Catholic Association was put down by the proposed Bill, it would rise again in some more oh jeetiosiable shape. The Cailsolie Association certainly compre hended the Catholic aristocracy, and almost all who were honourable and respectable amongst the l'atholish of Ireland. He would say, do justice to the Catholics, and, by so doing, you will tranquillire the country, and put down the Catholic Association. This is the oniv way you can or ought to succeed in putting It down. The Ca team were not now situated as they were formerly ; the Catholic body cornprceended all classes from the Peer to the peasant. AU felt their own etrength, nor were they ignorant of their weakness ; and it isnot possible that they could behold the King of England, as King of Hanover. taking off all restrictions, arising from religious opinions, trim 1115 Hanoverian subjects, whilst his subjects in Ire land were still oppressed with laws disgraceful to this enlieht. • treed ago. Aill. SPRING RICE was eneinuo to address the llouoe on this moat important measure. The Howie had heard speeches front two Right /lon. Unitletree connected with his Majesty's Irish tiovernmeut. and he could not conceive two speeches mum strongly irdicattee of a difference of opinion. flow could violence be et fectually suppressed, when two Right Honourable Gentlemen, connected in the more Cabinet, personify the most violent opinions weboth sides. When the opinions of one Right !immutable Gen- Healer me promulgated, will not the violent Catholics rely thr sup poo in their foetid in the Cabinet ? And when another Right Hon. Gentleman meters to the proceedings of the Rebel/ion, as an mite rennin for present violence, sill not the Orangemen consider themselves fully justified ? That Honourable Gentleman had better not have alluded to Irish rebellion.—if he looked at the other side of the account, he would flesh that all the violence and cruelty did not belong to the Catholics. To mention one circumstance—there was the murder of Lind O'Neil, a subject upon which every Orangeman and Protestant ought to desire to keep hie lips closed fee ewer. lie apologised for placing Protestants and Orangemen together; he proteeted against the identification of Orangemen with Protestants, for in feeling nothing could be more opposite than the bode.* which those two words reiimsented. Ile would not ytt Mtn Lim i ere ion of thesionrines and conscientious adherence tothe Protestant reliition, with the Richt lion. Gentleman at the other sic's, or with ass• Iforiourable Gentleman in that !louse; but wni it bocauot he was attached to his own religion that he ought not to Warne any other? Ile regretted the existence of I hange Anse. cintiono, he regretted the existence of the Catholic Association e but he tholiehi, before the !knowable Gentleman asked the !louse to put S. down, they might to prove that its proceedings were wrong. aed that the retuetty propene' was right. The alemberitir Londonderry (Mr. G. R. leawiem) had spoken of the infleence of the Casholic Priests, and the way in which this influence was ap plied. Rio where were his proofs ?. Ills Honourable Friend had only produced Newspapers. For the that time the flout, was railed upon to legislate, with no other evidence before them, but that procured front Newspapers. In the absrnce of any other evi dence. the Honourable genectuan had read extracts from the Dublin Newspaper.. His only fare were Newspaper farts. He should like to know from such high anthority as the liiiiiutirable Gentleman, why her Orangemen existed ?—the llonourahle (lent. had staid not—if this was , the case, away went the pretext upon which the Bill was introduced. His Majesty's 3liiiisters pre levied to extinguish all parties ; but, in fighting against the Gamesmen, it seemed they were fighting against a shadow, art it ass the Catholic Association only the Bill csold siffeet. '(tins, the minim:int which vat raised upon the intreduc von of the Bill, as to its intended impartiality of operation, fell to the ground. Some of the erocoedinga of the Association, mentioned by Gentlemen opposite., lie die nut mean to justify, but was this AV, Id condemn the Association ? Ile knew not ably on the toe of the earth whose entire pro of justificatioa ; tie should not even except had the honour of siidnesitig. Gen denies at b r clun •hy he should any deliberative twernil eeedinv. would admit she w..! whieb he `, THE MUM the opposite side of the Home were not always pleased a: what fell from Gentlemen at his (Mr. S. Rice') bide. Nay, Right item Gentlemen would often be iliaaatit:fied if the speeches of other Mem, bees of theCsbinet were confounded with their own; and he doubted not that the Right Honourable Gentleman (Mr. l'hotkett) would deem it the greatest injustice, if the speech which bad fallen from his Right lion. colleague (Mr. ooulbum) should be charged against him. Was it because a deliberative amenibly like the Ga -1 thulic Assuciation had acted absurdly or violently, that he should condemn the whole proceedings of that body, and even the body whose sentiments they represented ? lie only claimed from (b e Gentlemen, for the Catholic Association, the same indulgence which they required themselves. ( Hear, hear.) The violence of both parties le Ireland was admitted, but the question of violence does ant stand on the same ground as respects both parties; If that party which enjoys power, and wealth, and all the high office!' of the State. and which is admitted freely to partake the benefits of the Constitution—if this party betray violence of conduct, it is in. excusable ; but if the excluded party, which is shin out film the honours of the State, and dues not enjoy all the benefits of die Co nstitution, sometimes exeeede the limits of moderation, can it, ought it to be considered matter of surprise? liut, he would ask, had his Honourable Friend acted fairly, when he charged. the As sociation with violence? lie thought the !lot:curable Gentlemen had suppre s sed some of the faces which lie might have Uncovered, as no doubt he had looked through the tiles of the Dublin news papers. lie (Mr. Rice) begged pardon for reading front a news taper, bat as newspapers were the State pereee e of Honourable Gentlemen opposite, he could not be censured for meeting theta 'with their own weepers. Honourable Gentlemen could not object to hit erideoce unreal they wished to undervalue their own. lie would read an extract front a speech made, he believed, at the last meeting of the AsweeitaaO, by Lord Killeen, and in mentioning the name of this respected Nobleman, and stating that heated connected himself Rah the Catholic Association, he named a "person who was more remarkable for his enlightened understand ing and moderate principles than even for his high station. His lordship commerce:el by stating (Mr. R. here read from a news paper) •• that the present was a meet important penal in Catholic Imufiti es, it was a trying occasion, a crisis; in this ' said said (Mr. Rite) I fully concur with them Noble Lore. " lie appealed to his wan. 1 Wymen, not as Catholics but as free subjects, anxious to en• ' !by the rights of free subjects." The Association were natu -1 ferally . diecontented at this new attempt to restrain them front excecheng the right to petition thu.t House. His Loritellip con tinned •• Without the coneurearate and support of thole Protestant I countrymen, the Catholics could never expect Emancipation, and I it behoved them to be watchful. that time snares of their opponents lead tbelit into no indiscretion, calculated to forfeit the good feeling of the. l'roteitants. lie conjured them, not e by the hate they bore to Grangenice," but " by the love they owed all men," this I sentiment was received with cheers. It was mentioned by Honour. able ttentkinen opposite thw the violent sentiments uttered in the Association were applaudeli, but here he could prove, that the Ass: ciation knew how to appreciate moderate sentiments. H. cotijurerthern, net " by the hate they bore to Orangemen" but " by the hive they owed all men, by the stake they had in their country, the veneration'they owed to the memory of their facia there, the fidelity with which they cling to their religion, which the I lure of emohernentuor thee.pprebeneion of punishment could shock, to submit to the laws with the firmness of men, but with the I submhtsion of subjects." Now when much a speech was utter. i ed in the Catholic Association, by such man as Itord Killeen, I and received with the wanner approbation. be implored the "House to pause, at least to suspend its judgment, before it decided upon such arguments as they had heard front the other side. But it is c u d, that the Catholic Association disconnects the Government I and the people, and obstructs the administration of justice. It' would be little wonder if the Catholic did not look to die !louse oil f'ommons for a remedy ; bet it should be recollected, that one of the main objects of the Association, was the transmission of petitions to the House of Commons, With respect to the administration of justice it Ireland, lie should have wished that the Member fur New Ross (Mr. Doeetcy) had not mentioned the manner in which it was I , !Ministerell with such unqualified approbation. lie felt the less etluetance in alluding to ibe Honourable Gentleman's advocacy of the manner in weigh justice was administered in Ireland, be cause on other occasions the Honourable Gentleman hail stood for ward as its advocate. With all due deference to that lion. Gent.. he (Mr. Rice) could rust conceive, how he could have forgotten to inform the House, that in the performance of his professional duties, ' he (Mr. Dogherty) had, during the last year, assisted in the prosecu tion of • several delinquent ntagistriees int the leenater Circuit. 1V hilst the Hon. Gentleman came forward to panegyrise the adini• nistration of justice, lie might have stated, that he himself had been the mewls of punishing delinquency. Ile (31r. R.) did rot lay ' much stress on these panegyrics in favour of the adminietration of justice. He remembered when the salmiuistration of the revenue lawi was seemly praised. Ile remembered that the same applauee was bestowed on the conduct of Irish magistrates. When it was stated that they received improper fees, and sometimes committed improper acts, nothing cuuld be more indignant than the denial of femme honourable gentlemen. Yee facts occurred in the course of the inquiry &Wove stairs, welch demonstrated that these charges . were not ill.fountied. It was most clear that they had practised the most unjust mid iniquitous proceedings, under th e sanction of their : magisterial cAttracter. When it weaseled, what good was produced . I by the establishmeet of petty sessions? the reply was, because the : magistrates acre in the habit of taking improper fees, and acting partially end corruptly ; but by meeting in petty sessions, and act- ' mg in concert, they cannot act unjustly and corruptly. The House should not hastily conclude that there was nothing wrong in the : . aterinlstratlon of justice in Ireland, when assertions were w conti- I dcnthy made on other important points. It was admitted, ueiver. sally admitted, that a general disposition existed in Ireland, . to oppose die execution of the laws. This must have .I proceeded from something. Whence did it proceed ? If the laws were fairly administered, he could not conceive' . that any nation could be so blind and bigottcd as to hate the laws which protected it. lie should state one fact as so illustration on this point. It appeared that 6.000 persons had been committed under the distillery laws, and, upon an exami. nation before the Committee of Inquiry, it was staked, whether it Was worth while for illicit distillers to distil prime whiskey to sup- . ply the tables of weolthy individuals ? The answer was in the negative ; and the reason given was curious, that none except dig nitaries of the church, the king's officers, and magistrates, would pay for prime whiskey, if it was made by illicit distillers. The it would appear that the dignitaries of the church, the kiug's e" cure, and the magistrates, countenance e li te illicit traffic so injure.- to the revenue, and demoralising to the peasantry, and that these three classes were accessary to the commitment of no lees than 6,000 persona. If the laws should be administered so as to conduce to the luxury of the rich, and t njury of the por e those laws could not be respected bilffithe poor. Ile did not mean to insinuate any thing as respected the Ilish Courts of Jus tice in Dublin. Justice, lie believed, was administered in them as it ought to be. lie was not indulging in a hypocritical encomium, when he mid his humble tribute to the combined and unrivalled learning, eloquence, ability, and integrity, which destiagu tithed the Irish Court of Kitts's Bench. lie would not wander iuto a neigh. bouring court, where the House might regret to see buffoonery de facing learning, and die puns of the doe substituted for the sober purity and seriousness of manner, whirl should accompany the ea ministration of justice. •The conduct of the Irish to the Arch bishop of 'Yuan:, bad been alluded to by the lion. Gent. (Mr Dawson) as an act of signal ingratitude; with all the lion. Gent said, as to the benevolent and truly Christian character of this esteeined prelate. he (Mr. Rico fully concurred, and would join in reiterating. But the Honourable Gentleman suppressed eoune thing. The Catholic population, forgetting their violence, had gone in a-body to the Archbishop of Twis, and claimed die privi lege of bringing home his harvest gratuitously, to show how much they loved Win. In stating what. occurred to the Archbishop sub sequently, he hoped it would not be forgotten, that the Catholic populadue conceived that he had (no doubt impelled by a sense of duty.) joined in a crusade of proselytism, that he had leagued hitnselt with those who invaded then in their own territory, and endeeyoured to make converts from e religion which they were attached. to, because it was the religion of their forefathers. This should be mentioned when the Irish wete charged with ingratitude; and he might be permitted to say, that the crime of ingratitude WAS the last with which, the lower classes of Ireland ought to be charged.. If the Irish had not shown much feeling as a nation for this cntiotry, and did not feel the weeniest affection for its laws, it might be accounted fur by looking to the Statute Book, and not by charging Ireland with ingratitude. Besides, he would say to (lon. Gentlemen who censured die Irish for ingratitude, try them with itindiren. An Honourable friend of his attributed the tranquillity which Ireland enjoyed to the existence of the Penal Laws; and consistently he new came forward to support a new penal law ; to vote ter it as a mode of pri%erving tranquillity. The reign which preceded the menet had been designated a reign of concessions to the Catholics; and, no doubt, many impor tant concessions were made during it. Strong feelings of gra titude were excited in Ireland, and manifested thetneelves by many allusions to the memory of the late monarch, although it was known that his late 3lajesty was Rem:madly adverse to the Catholic Claims, But now, in die reign of a King who is not considered to be ad verse to those claims, what did lie find ?—a new penal law, to in. flict injury on the Catholics without any concurrent advantage.— Ile said without any concurrent advantage, bet:lva—could any man conceive that the proposed Rill would be operative ? Could not the Catholic, Assectation devises hundred modes of evading its etrovisiuns ? lie had heard the Secretary for Ireland (Mr. Gold. burn) declare on the first uigheof tine debate, that lie should be prepared to run a race with the CatledicAisociation. As quickly as the Aesociation by any effort of ingenuity, contrived to evade • clause, the llonieteable Gentlemen would introduce another to meet them. But the honourable Gentleman did not appear to consider the advantages which lie Muth give the Association by such a rase. The Cathulic.Awociatiou mug -always be .before hint, eve when the Honourable Gentleman set of (ruin his,ottice in leontlon, the Association should have reached Hounslow. Let it not be consi dered an unworthy trick if the Catholic Association took advantage of nr.y opening which the Bill permitted them. Liberty wss de fined to he `• the right to ()severe thing which the law dues nut for bid." This was the most limited definition of liberty he had ever heard, and acting in the spirit of this definition. the Catholic Aasti. elation would be fully justified in evading die Bill now before the House, if it should pass into a law. Upon the ground that the Bib by gents. .b :p e i ro n n s p i cra te, o ti n v e c o , Connected with the most dangerous projmtie ri ll y ti a ls n t d ak the other upon them as pledges and gesolians of securit y upon the ground of these opposite and irrecoocilable opinions, as well as upon the ground of its injustice antlinexpedieney, he called , 14)011 the Howie to consider and weigh well before it gave its sanc tion to a maser', which, although it could nut operate fur g ood, might, and, he thought, would, ileeply an d extensively operate fur evil. (Hear. hear.) It sumo bring the Home iii contact with every peasant in Ireland. Every peasant who Ind a grievance, or imagined it, looked to have this genuine. made known to Par liament, thrugh the Catholic Association. For elle first time the arm of Parliament was raised against the peasant, he would now consider that his grievances would net be redress ed. because they eonld Oat be known. In conclusion, though he Had r.ot weig!mt, nee age, to attach importance to his appeal, he would again conjure the House to pause before it con sented to the introduction of a measure which could not do good, but must produce au infinite deal of evil. On those grounds, therefore, and under the circuseetances, there was no oppoeitiou I that could be given to the Bill which lie would not with the most heartfelt latioduetion give. 11r. DA at'SON explained. Mr. BIIOWNIA/11 , said, diet at this late lemur he would not trespass on the attention of the House, but he felt it his duty to nee for the purpose of giving such support as be OAS able--and he wished it was greater—to the bill that had been Or.trod aced into the House by the Right lionouratide the Secretary for Ireland. Ile knew no gentleman connected with Irish affairs who hail laboured snore ASOtillollilf for the good of that country than the Right lion. Seerelary, or one who hal been more =alma, more ddigent, or more successful in his endeavours to do that country service. He did not however wish to separate the Right Honourable Gentleman from the Administration of Ireland, nor was it his intention so to de. It was an assertion so elicit repeated, that at length many [ peewits Intl believed it to be the case, that the whole Protestant population of Ireland were drawn out in array against the Allan entratioe of the Marquis ll'eliesley. This lie (Mr. Browolowe would in the must unqualified manner deny. It wan under the Administration of that Noble Lord that so much and such great good had been done for Ireland. It was under the Administration of the elarmiii Wellesley that Jolted had proved of so much attraction to English capitalists; it was under the Administration of the Marquis Wetleeley that so many measures had been ponied fair the redressing of grievances, and that so ninny grievances had been redressed; and it was under the [ Administration of the klarquis aVelleelry that Traub(' haL passed from a state of rebellion so a state of tranquillity. The Administration of the Marquis Wellesley had proved a great and decided blessing to the country ; the gratitude or the community had beau its due, and the thanks of the cnmmunity had been offered to ie—but by no part of the com munity more sincerely tban lffibeeProteetant portion of it. The [question Tits, what wu it theTtoduced his Majesty's Ministers to adept their present course of proceeding—" to embark," as one Honourable Gentleman had said, " on a crusade against the liber ties of time subject ?" He (Mr. Brownlow) was amuous to make a few observations on this subject. It was said that the Marque Wellesley bed been jealous of the Catholic. Association, and had therefore made efforts to put it down. This was not the case ; nothing appeared to have made his Majesty's al inieters pursue the course they were pursnirge—nothing except the necessity of te.es tablishing a lawful government when that lawful government had been 'tiniest beaten down by the usurpacious conduct of the Roman Catholic Association. flow greatly he wished that the reasonable, manly, and respectable petition he bad had the honour to present to Parliament. at the close of the last Session, and the observations tie had coupled with it, had not fallen so far shoot of the object in view; the state of Ireland would then hare been very different to what it now was, and far more agreeable to the wishes' of all Fatties in that House. A Hight Hon. Gentleman had said that the Catholic As seciation was but the medium by which much bad blood might escape, an excrescence, as it were, on the brow of heautv, and that the wiser method were to suffer it to die of itself.—Yet the speech of his Majesty had informed the (louse, that some steps must necessarily be taken to apply a remedy to the evil. and the first legislative act of the Home was the bringing in a Bill fur the sup pression of the political 11$41/Ciillooll of I relioul. Irma association, he would ask, was particularly alluded to? what other than the Catholic Association, and the Catholic Association alone? (Hear, hear, from the Oprositien.)-11e wished that the blame and oblo quy of such a measure shouldrest upon the Catholics alone, be cause the Protestants, since the last Session of Parliemeet, had done nothiectliat ceidd call lath sorb a charge from the Throne, on such au act as that contemplated by the legislature. Yet he remembered that in the .Iforoling Register of Dublin. the paper that Mr. O'Connell asserted to he the only one directly emanating front the Association, was the ueertioa that Orangemen. sworn or liObworm, composed the whale Protestant population.—lle would any of the Ovengeolen in the north of Ireland. that their conduct bad been as temperate, rioderate, just, and charitable, as the 'Charges made against them by the Catholic Association lied been unjust, intemperate, and uncharitable, and, he might say, without example. the conduct of those Orangemen he knew in I be eleverving of the warmest etilmetittnt, and not Slcii as to warrant their suppression. Yet they had 'been called by some honourable gentlemen opposite, bigots, tyrants, and hypocrites ; they had beat decried as men who proposed to govern the country, and who never thought of parting their petronsge. But he would look at these people either at the head of their families, where they were beloved and respected, or as landlords, where they were blesinges to their tenantry—or as inagistentes, when they always fuldlle I the duties ',trusted to them, and in tray way in which be could look at them, le could say that thoy magnet &needy professors of religion, but that they had that faith which always brought forth fruits, and that they were not surpassed in the excellence of their conduct by the gen of any part of Ireland, or of any country in the world. He ded that the tueaseita neer'lnfote the house called ter the suppression of the Roman Catholic Association--and of the Roman Catholic Association alone—for there had been no act on the - tart of the Protestants at all calculated to give rise to any such measure. But as the mother will often take* eau woos draught, for tile pur pose of encouraging to do so the child that is sick, an they were ready to suffer—the innocent fin the guilty, the just for the unjust— those who love the laws for those who would involve them in one common ruin. The lion. Member who had just sat down, had endeavoured to find Beau apology for the person who thus headed his addresses to the people— " Who would be free, themselves must strike the blow." In his estimation Mr. O'Connell and Mr. Sined were lambs, and the Hon. alembor for the Queen's County had found out that the evils of Ireland had ndt arisen from the causes to which they were generally attributed, but from the conduct cola Mr. Gordon and a .11r. Noel, who introduced that wicked book, called the Bible, into Ireland, lie (31r. Brownlow), grieved to hear any person in that !louse, state to the Mouse that that bank had produced such in/chiefs at those attributed to it by the lion. Members for tleoQueets'e C,otitityand Northamptonshire. But Mr. Gordon and ale. Noel were not capable of doing that w ith which they bad beep charged; they were not labcuring tor human praise, bet they looked for a higher reward. Their object had not been prose lythou but if it had been so, he would say that the feeling was a laudable one ; that it was la udable in any person believing in any particular religion to endeavour to win to it others of more inferior and lees refined creeds; their object, however, had not been pm selytism—they had been sent over to Ireland by the London Hi. bernian Association, and he had never heard the charge of pa ssivism made against that body. We it proselytism, he would ask, to send over the Bible to those people according to their own translations? %Vnes it proselytism to employ Roman Catholic teachers ? IVas it proselytism to obtain Roman Catholic inspec tors ? And was it proselytism hi them to endeavour to become conuected with the Roman Catholics in every wey that they could ? but it wou not against proselytism that any opposition was offered. No, it was against education, education ef all kinds, and no mat ter how or by whom it was propagated; fur on the ignorance of the people were founded the hope,: of the Roman Catholic system. The' Honourable Member for it malign (lir. Rtoushio ti). had said, he lied attended to the proceedings of the Roman Catholic Assoefa tion, and there he had not Osumi a single word that had been writ ten or said wrathy of censure. lie (Mr. Brownlow) might revise the picture, end say that web the exception of thedocument dirt had been just read, tithed toot found any thing in their conduct but what had proceeded from bad n otives,and had * dangerous tendency. The Convention Act was for the prevention of unlawful assembliee ; but it did not merely extend to assetoblies that It'll an illegal and im moral teudeacy, but to chase that, without any illegal or intim - seal tendency, were disapproved of by the legi s lature, and which the peace officers were therefore authorized to put down. It was not necessary that they should Bogen at time door to know whetherwimat was uttered was seditious or am, but they noight st once dieeolve the' ' assemblies. If dangers appeaecvf, the legislature took care to pre vent those assemblies from which auger might arise. A great deal of ridicule had been thrown upoe this Act by the llonotarable member fur Notthamptonshire, because it tlid not except the Horse of Commons fro. •.1 its enuctinentx; but although such was not the case, he thought it was wise to create particular exceptione, by reason of the hogeneet of the wading of the aft: He (Mr. Brown low) conceived, that if any man food forward in tbd(l to op-, - pose the Cottletille Association , It thetild be such as gave his sup port to the question of Catholic b;enancipation, and had this moan. ciliation truly at heart ; ti cause he conceived that nothing so much retentlecl the progress of the (catholic question, or threw it back out such suspicious ground, as the Catholic Association, and their declared but indefensible sentiments. They did not meet to petition, but they met fur the purpose of carrying the public aeneintent slung with them; of declaring, in a bold and confident tone, that they represented Aix millions of their countrymen, and to Calla e the legielamn: by fear of such measures as they mio,,elit re sort to to acquiesce its soul grant their demands. It was impossible for Parliament, at that time, to grant the Catholic Question. The House had a document to that purport from high antlinrity—from the Marquis Wellesley, from hint who moved the Catholic Qnes tion in the House of Lords in 1812 ; and why was this the case ? %Thy, but because the intimidation that such measures carried to Parliament mast now prevent Parliament hum yielding. It was hit. possiblefor Parliament to yield and to preserve its dignity,—if it 'I eubninted to the temper and tone in which demands were made, and the (open resistance that had been declared towards the Govern. went, • lie would speak from his own observations, and in the north of Ireland, lie believed, that for ten persons who formerly I signed the petitions in favour of Catholic Emancipation, there I would not Intone man found to do it. lie thOught that the trail. quality of the country had been brought about h 3 the eiltillnietra hoe 9f , Local Welk, ley, and that it was owing to no other thing ; but if the Catholic As &nation had been instrumeptal in pruducing this tranquillioy in keel nl , to them aho must be a tributed all the d.eturtances d a had so 1 in; existed in the country. Ile would edouit slim they were a m at powerful bony, that, although they were insignifieensat thoectutimencemenm in respect to rank, to num.. bees. and to the interest they excited, he was new free to condos t' at the case 1a t alum& that the Home n Catholic Amos:via:ion ;tow contained among them Peers, the Roman Catholoc hierarchy, the Roman t'etliolic prieethotel to a titan ; stud I e believe., that every peasant who get 'e is s penny to us support, colosidered himself as connected with its n ereete. and bowel for its existence. Bet the cave tit it ism untied the. t n 0 on the Parliament was a very a-gent one : there was ogle one way out, and that was by instantly, and without delay, exerting itself against this Catholic Association. if . this Alisociution hail obtained such influence over the minds of the people, it it were able to call this people into action when it pleased, she Perliament had a right to fear, or, at lento, to see, on what ground it btootl, and to feel it a bounden duty to adopt SOlllO tech . plan as that recommended by the Right Honourable Secretary for ' down be coercive measures for a short time, they would soor, again I teland. how was it that the Holum of l'arlisment did stand ? I make their appearance, and arms could notethiniattly rev uce the m; In what situ them was it ? This wet material to consider, The I and for this plain reason-because they were rut:nettled by deacon- Roman Catholics say, admit us low lauliament, and if rim de I tent. He would ask the lionouteble Gentleman whether he ever this, they will hereafter say, admit us into all the great ntlices of I knew of a single instance of combination where the conemunity the State. lie believed that many thought the (louse ought rot to was sound ? But the question was, whether it was prudent to put atop short in admitting then to Parliament, but that all other ad. i down these associations in the present state of Ireland. and whetber vantages ought to be granted also. Sup wese then, the House ,' a digkrent course of conduct-that which had ban always recom granted the latter demand, what would they then say ? What t mended by one class of statesmen to whom lie had alluded-would would they next dcieand ? Why, that all Church property should I not effectually 'tippets* the combinations complained of? What be given up to them. They would say, we are the people to whom I w, re the common ingredieuts of that danger that would render the this Church property was originally granted, nod it is but just that • measure necessary 1. First, was mischief intended ? Secondly, was it should be res ored to US. Is it likely that the Roman e'ataolic l mischief done ?-and hail had any daring language been used by Laity would be satisfied in having their own claims granted them, I the combiaation so complained of, dreaded by gentlemen opposite'? and would not complain if the Roman Catholic Clergy. the objects / If be had to argue that point, he would call upon the Honourable of their idolatry, were cac!uded from these benefits? Would they I and Learned Gentleman opposite, as his witness in the canna to not rather threaten you that they were six millions of onside. pos. I bear him out in the seserteatt that no danger done or implied ems smell% the ainews and the capabilities of war, and that if yea did i nated front the Society, and no daring language had been applied not give up this Church property they would take it ? This would, , against the Government ; for that lannied Gentleman had dee:tired he doubted not, be the eud of granting Eniancipodon to the Romeo that no evil intention had appeared on the part of the Association.; Catholic,: of Ireland . In conclusion, he would q l uote a passage and in giving that declaration, lie had acted in the most candid from the sateen of the present Lord Chief Justice of !rebind, who, 1 and hotiourehle manner; and, therefore, if his previous elm:acme when he was Attomey-General ter that country, addressed the ' did not lead the House to know his sincerity upon a point on which he Jury on the dial of several Boman e'atholic intlividoete in . Igll. had so Olken warmly ispressed himself, the way in which lie spots This Learned Gentleman said, " IVhat man who Joint a polkieal of the de.igns of that assembly, nitr. he satisfactory to every one. • society can answer ter himself how far he shall go ? His menet* But they die not require the authority of that Learned Gentleman. nray be at tint laudable and good, but as be proceede, the +Mho. highly respectable as it was. All the circemstances connected with hemence of debate leads hint astray, and lie who hegira as 'a the members of that Association -their domestic tics, their stake in patriot ton often ends as a rebel. Mat can forget that at the country, then high characters, all combined to render them in first the fatuous society of France was funned of the best and pezious at least, if not useful and bereficial to their country. The the wisest of men. But short was the termination ? Teen" numandfLearned Gent. had dose no violenee to his feelings in mak. gond men were put down by demagogues, and Were driven ing the statement that he had done relative to the Association-it was forward by a bad (action to that vortex beneath Which they human nature the principles of which the Learned Gentleman was ware buried. Religion and politica, become equally coafountled so thoroughly acquainted with, and which it was well always to and. last; and the Nobility, me by one, perished with those who cultivate, that must convince every one of the danger that existed in were virtuous and just." lie (Mr. Brownlow) thought that the 'suffering such a state of things as gave rise to the Aisociation, bet observations that bast been applied to the Roman Catholic* of I which, hooking at the person!: who cmnpoeed it, rendered it a source 101 l might be applied to them now : and he most sincerely u . oe tranquilli:y nit:ler-man disquin. Ile might with foe and truth hoped that the lion. House would adopt some such measure apply the senetments of Cicew to the members of the association as that propueed by the Right Mitt. the Irish Secretary. as te maxim which conveyed a sure proof of an absence of bad io. Sir J. 31AleKiNe'Oall said, that although he had at all tention. " alaximis pigaoribus illigatutu tenet respublica. Pro times listened with the utmost attention and respect to the lion. heti:lima utter eptatiesinn liberi." The virtues of domestic life and Member who had just saoken, considering him as the acknow. the innocence of intentions are the best pledge. of the objects of ltdged and avowed aavocatc of a powerful party, whose existence • parties; but there were positive lattice wales implied circumstances he (nu J. 31ackintoah) nevertheless regent-A, it was not to r- • that showed the fidelity of the Catholic Aseociadon. In one it:_ ply to him' that he rose, but to gay that, duringehe debate :net • seance a Judge had thaakel the members of It for the part that had taken place in that House on the ' , resent subject, a ere t • they had taken in bringing a case before a l'outt of Justice, tree many Members appeared to be more influenced by the spirit i anti distinct frost all party reeling; and, in another instance, they of Irish factions than alembers of the Brinell Perlientent had been thanked for bringiteg sonic important intermation before ought to be; at:! he regretted that such a spirit should havel the public. The Right lion. the Secretary of State for Ileum found its way itau the debates of that House. He did not in- Affairs, had taunted hint in consequence of the existence of she tend to reply to the lion. alentber who had just sat down, al. Catholic ANsOCiatiOn, coupled with a cue in England, that to though ha considered the observations of that lion. Blend-ter jurors would he found to pinfomi their important duties in (cons to be far more iraporbun than any that had been made during of Justice. - rhe present Lord Mayor of Tondos luati lent his the three nights to which this discussion had been protracted , mime to a society, called the Constitutional Association, but better because he considered them to contain a direct avowal of the known as the Bridge-street (eine. He was at that time one of the principles upon which the Bill had been framed. But he had I Sheriffs of London, and had pricked a Jury, th:it was chat/caged ih taken advantage of the first moments of returning strength, to consequence of its being a cause that was lerougbt into Court at the address the liutise on one of the most imperial/It subjects that suit of this Association of which he wan a member; and it was was ever di:cussed by the Hon. Members, lie rose to protest contended that he was an In patty ten that account, and it against the mama that was attempted to be cast upon the Pet/odic was very properly admitted that none of the panel could Reeve. cause, by alieding to the conduct of a 'human Cathodic body-he But the Right Him. Gentleman had argued Meisel( met of Court rose to protest agamst the silence of which they complained, when upon that point I fur, it' it were true that no ease could be brought they applied fur a redress of their wrongs-he rose to protest against to trial in that account, the Association must give up erosecuting, the dismouragement of centuries that had been thrown upon them- i and he thought that the case of the King v. Dolby pet that matter and he rota to protest against the Bill which it was now sought to at rest. He would next apply himself to the canelourand justice of the bring into the llouse, a - Bill that might be well called a Bill to re- I !liaise when he batted the case of a body of men who were dragged move from his Majesty's elinisters the necessity of doing justice to before t h e public as criminals ; for, according to the showing of the Ireland, and to introduce another •nporieing system into the Hon. Member tor Armagh, not only the Catholics but all Irelend country. Against this Bill he would =jet laps feeble, but earnest would have their liberties cur aled; and upon what principle of pub. and euictun protest. lie would say, as his learned colleague who I lic justice or ' , Male danger were tile House to do it ? lie wished Gen. closed the debate on the preceding evening, had said before him, denim would read attentively the lung address published by the As. that he wee, by habit and education, a Protestant, and that in the I /iodation iti latcensber, 1824. and, atter having read it over, let any name of Protestant he gloried, revering the reformation as the elenilier stay, if unfortunately this Bill should go to a second read. introduction of new and ineumerable blessing' ; but he still ing, by which means they would have an opportunity of seeing all knew that ro dangers was to be apprehended sheets emend- I its enaeuneas it it could be necessary-or if two parts in the Ad pating those who. on religious topics, tisteight different to him. dress were omitted, it did not breathe conciliation in every portion The great principle of the rights of individuals were attacked by of it; and ti:at nothing but the blindness of party spirit (MOW head it, winch left every person independent as to their omelet of faith, to the apprelteasion al danger from it. Omitting these two para. and upon which an unfettered power issued from the constitution graphs, (lie was sorry so great a critic of language was rot paying to enable all who hied under it to enjoy civil and religious liberty. more attention.) he would repeat, that nothing could be found ob. This treasure set up the principle of opposition amongst these jectionable in the Address beyond those two points. From other Papists in Protestant clothing, fee it was upon ('catholic principles topics the Address went on to notice the cause and punishment of in the worst times that t h e supporters o f t h e Bill before Use th ane the crane of Whitebeyism. Some, it said, might blame the admi. proceeded. It was at that time the Catholics would have been the niseratian of justice, ' but every rational man must say dun they natural allies of those who wished to abridge the liberty of the were the result cf different proceedings. They thought cc subject; but those who were now the partisans of this extraordi- wards to informers unjustifiable ; but the House would see nary project ought to be the most formidable *bettors of civil And how careful the Association in its Adders' was of alluding to the in. surrection, and in avoiding any words that indicated disappuintment religious liberty. The circumstances in which they were now placed, and the charge of mind that had taken place in those at it; but they had, notwalistending, been charged with niaogling whose liberties were sought to be abridged ought to lead to far those laws that they had been attempting to vindicate, He knew different :multi than those that were auenipted. lied he lived at of no instance on record in the interpretation of human writing ' the time of the battle of the Boyne, he should have been a mortal where a more complete distortion had been put upon the words of enemy to the Catitolies, and Toad have drawn his sword again -et any document, than upon those of die Address in question. The them on that memorable occasion. In those principles of civil and writers of it had evinced the most perfect desire at reconciliation. religious liberty that were laid down at the Revolution of 16611 s in Then again :be passage in which the word •• bate" was introeuced; which he bad been brought up, in which he hail lived, and in that had been tortured by sophistry into a most dangerous ex which he hoped he should die-in the spirit of those prir.ei. pression, and the course that had been adopted with regard to It plea it was that he rose to defeuil the Catholic cause, against rellirWleti hint of the critics Dryden spoke of who illustrated the those who had been its longest, ablest, sal most santare sup- dislike of certain principles by constant) y leaning to that. In. porters. It was now nearly thirty years since two systems Johnson used to say that he was a good hater. lie hated 0 lilac unanimously prevailed and were enfoteed by their respective and he bated a Seotelatretn now he was both a Whig and a advocates relenve to Ireland. The one &earthed to Cethelic Scotchman, anti he belonged a club that great man founded, and principles the greatest possible danger, and that they could only be if he were ` now to rise front the dead and walk into the elub.roont met by Araociatiors, Committed', and eotrthinetions to put them he should not be afraid of reconciling 1/r...tohnsonao hint, although down. Others, taking a More comprehensive and profound view he was a Itesig and a accnchman. When men expressed their of the subject, believed that the evils originated in a rooted hatred hate against bodies, they did so speak of them in their corporate between the two factions that so long had agitated Ireland. avid capacity, and in their proceedings in that capacity ; the haters which might be classed under the heads of Congliceore and Con• had no dislike to the individuals who compose them bodies, in ered • and that the disenssisas that arose were the natural con. their isoleuel character . lie might say-he should say, very nau tili , eequences of the relative situation of the two parties. The first rally-as a party, that he listed Tories; but he should speak most claseof persons to whom he had alluded, were for applying theremedy untruly. if he were to say, that he hated Tories individually as well of coercive measures; the second class thought that the most probable as collectively. For some he had the most allecti,•nate regard ;he mode of decreasing the dissensions that a ffl icted Ireland, wu by ne- had lived on the most intimate terms with them, and he regarded ytociatingbetween the two factions, on sbasie of perfect justice. That many as his sincere friends. Within the last thirty years the term' was considered as an set of absolute necessity, to restore the btedy po. Tory had been used to indicate a party, but formerly it was used litic to that state of health which would produce industry and matte as a repreech. Since the accession of the house of Ilanover, would quillity. and that course of feeling between the contending factions, any one be prepared to say that it was immoral to bring about that would ultimately lead to a bond o nion and good fellowship. peace, or to set up one vice against another:? Why, every one knew The Irish Union was brought abou t o accomplish that great that if the vices were not opposed to each other, there could be no object, thetholic Emancipation, at least so Mr. l'itt declared in his virtue, and enlisting passion on the aide of peace ought not to create lifetime. and his friends since his death hail been equally ready to I alarm. The last speaker had told the House that the measure be admit, and indeed, the evidence of facts bore out the assertion ; foe fore them WAS in consequence of the Catholic Aesociation-tae it appeared the only prominent circumstance that would a states. Orange lodges might have continued. The part al,ty then of man particularly to advise that measure. The Union of Scotland those lean is avowed; and as a elenther who was an ornament to in the reign of Queen Ann, Was bniught about upon very different that House had declared, the whole vengeance of the Bill was di. and distinct prieciples. That wee thine to secure the succession of mated against the Catholic Association. lle (Sir James alackin. the house of Hanover. because a disaflection towards the reigning tosh) was a father - and he was sorry, in some respects, that reality existed to a great degree amorgst the nobility and gentry if be was a grandfather; but he confessed that he should net that country; but in Ireland the disaffection was amongst the be inclined to treat his children as had been recommended 1v 1 great trait of the people, and therefore the same danger as to a I some Gentlemen. lie should not be inclined to give physic to ail second Parliament in Ireland did not exist as in Scotland. be. Ida children, whether well or ill ; he should rather be inclined to cause it was a different cleat of persons who were disaffected . give a little nice sweet lemonade to those who were well-snil give there, and whose itithietoe immediately operated on the pro- only the physic to the sick one, and try to persuade the invalid that etedinge in Parliament ; but in Ireland the dissatisfied were out of the tiatisions ereught was nice lemonade. lie confessed that he cis sphere of Parliament, and therefore the same apprehension, could never bring his mind to treat those of Ids family who re could not exist in having a separate legislature in Ireland that did quired physic, and those who were well, in "the stone way.-(Con. in Scotland. Indeed, it was the avowed reasons for bringing about tinutti laughter.) By these means no wry faces would be made me ttle l'nion that the Catholics might be admitted to the immunities eept by those Om were compelled to take physic-and lemonade, of the Constitution. Lord Grenville, in the Hoene of Lords, in nut wormnoeet, would be applied where medicine was not fleets -1383, who had been Mr. Pitt's colleague at the time of the lenitm, sary. The Honourable Gentleman to whom he had before alluded. said, " now we are called upon to perform the duty imposied upon us had said that the law might apply to the Catholics, but it would by the act of Union." lie was not in the habit of speaking in dia. not touch the Orangemen, because they carried on their proceed puragement of tiolse who differed from him on public questions ; logs in secret ; but the lion. Member for Dungarvon had assigned those who knew him best would bear testimony to that fact at hest, another ree.sen, that Orangemen were banded together without hay but he thought. without fear of contredictioo, he might ray, that ing °cession for seaet associations to unite them together. They I eieee the year 1812 up to the present time, the whole genius of the met on.Granct Juries at Quarter Sessions, and various oilier places ' oitintty, wills one splendid exception, lout been arrayed on the hide where Catholics could not assemble; but, on the other hand, the lof gteterous feeling and liberal principlea Tire result lied been, Orangemen were almost associated by the law itself, and that that the question had been carried in that House, and even in the truly might be content if the candidates for liberty would be quiet. House of Lords, in 1812, it had been lost only by one, on the lieso. His Learned Friend' finding that he should be unable to rest his imam of the Marquis IVellesley. Even among the people it was position on a firm basis, hal resorted to a mode in every respect impossible to excite now shit unnatural outrage that had been for. imaginary, lie did not rest upon facts ; he did not come before merly raised ot'a •• no paper cry. The mob could nut be moused the House with proofs of the difficulties which were to be spree- . to such a seneeless client. They hail too much of liberality about Itended, but grounded his argument upon a possibility, rested his them to be excited to the commonest outrage on that account at Gem upon a wog. Aud upon this case, these poseibilities and roc. this time of day. It' he could believe that the people of Ergland tingesmics, It was proposed to the !louse tg suspend tha eigletaref - entertained an hostility toward* -lielend, he ehonld think that he six mglions of men. (lime, 'falai.) Thisliottgla hint to an ar esould not commit a more wicked and niaellievous act than to teach gement of his lion, and Leanied Friend, who contended that the a millions of men in Ireland, that 12 milhoes of men in England, proposed measures contemplated no encroachment on the privileges their fellow-subjects, were their bitterest enemies. Next to of the country. 11• as it meant to be asserted that this new crenate theme causes of ;irritation which have forme' ly existed, but Lion of the ancient right-of popular meetings to express their gniev. which now happily existed no longer, he could not conceive anew, was no encroachment on the liberties of the people, who one that he should teed more surprise, mortiticatioo, and disgust at, held this right as one of their moat sacred inetitutioos? It this if he were a Catholic, than that the twenty-fifth year of the Union were attempted to be supported, a greater absurdity, a greater con- , should have arrived, and that now, under an Irish Minister, of trwlietion in terms, could not exist ; it were denying that the whole whom he could not speak in terms of too bight praise-under as is not equal to the part. Ihlty should they proceed thus further to Irish Lard Lieutenant, who had always been friendly towards the encroach on the part? The Flintee mild conclude this inpovation the ('atholics, and who had so often exerted his great talents in a most unwarrantable attack Ott the liberty of Ireland. To eeduce their behalf-and under an Irish Attorney-Genera), of whom the the prerogative of die Cavan, to subvert tee power of the !louse of bast that could be said of hint was, that lie was very superior to Lards, or to encroach on the constitutional authority of the Howie any of' his predeceesors, with a plates:able mind, comprehensive of Commons, was illegal and unwarrantable, except on the wrong views, and nacre! opinions-the old stale game of Lupo:eta laws eat, the most inmerious necessity ; but even this he held to be less and coercive statutes, predeely of the astute description as that, a atrociohts, less disastrous in its consequences, than to deprive a series of which hai been presented to them through a long and an people of the right of meeting to discuss - its wrongs, and eigiviast alarming vista, involving the empire its contention, out of which publicity; to a full exprewshott of its grievances. In speaking of the arose committees, enactinents, and associations, the proceedings of Assoeinion, he felt that lie had two calves of oppotieuts- be used which lea to no honour in victory, but produced great danger in the teem unqualified - the friends and enemies of Catholic Eman defeat. Be should with pleasure adopt the division of the subject ciliation. When the Bight lion. Seererary opposite declared that laid down by the Honourable and ',earned Gentleman (Alr. Plum- the existence of this Association furrielied the etrungeet arguments kett), who en all occasions was mint logical, but who, when he was against tile Catholic claim*, he should be told, he was using the inclined to lie a little sophistical in debate, was in *be habit of in- strongest possible argument if/ favour of die Catholic .tesocietion, traducing in his statement such a mixture of argument and fact, The Irish people would sic w with tetanal jealousy any treasures that it was difficult to ac rate them. The Learned Gentleman hail of Parliament whittle mtemplated any innovation of their sacred g proposed a division of the subject under three heads: the fa was, r i ghter-any attempt to disturb their legal possessions,. The House whether this measure was an infraction of popular principles; se- would env led a ' , stream! tedious inquiry, in the year 11123, irto thee condly, whether it was against the Catholic cause; soul thirdly, if conduct of the serrate of Dublin. laid not his 11,ght lion. Friend so. whether it would be dangerous to the empire. " Soprc ma Ilex think certain transactions connected with that inquiry might have talus poprili" was a tyrant's Idea, and might lie made to apply to seeded enmething towards disturbing the conl(deoce which bed ex the wont pit:poses ; but, as far as regarded Ireland, coercive Inc.: latch ? The lion. el ember fur New 'toss had itheappreliended the sures, such as the one that row met the etipport teed had been Ito- ohjectioas which had been orged. The evil compla nal of was a floured by the eloquence of the Learned Gentleman, was the soh pervention of justice; and die proof was to be foetid in the tonna ta. lie must dietenguisli beten.nc.n slit nee and recensity. Ile tuition M b mom nature. It was vain, indeed, for any Gentleman did not mean to deny, that associations and co , entitles that bound to attempt to exert p any reels from the natural infirmities of men. together the great masa of ciazens were extremely undesirable; tibiae, hear.) el'ilile•ihere were individuals shun so cordite:cat but he would ask those who meant to answer him on thus measure, thentaehrca as to be highly ottlimble; he could not name a Meet" if associations ever existed in a sound state ? (Cheer* from the trate who had so ably wit stool the difficulties by which lee had Opposition.) When the Honourable Gentleman the ale:ober fur been eta - rounded as the Lord Clad Justice. He bat! exhibiad as ikrey had given the !louse a bistro'. of Ireland, it was a history of inttepirlity, is calm resignation he *meld see., in a country distti - b• Issociations, committee', and combinations; but he did not tell ed, such as seas of most rare °cells-Tenet, and worthy of general irm them that a long (entree of mattet to-antes on the pm of thelio. 'idiom . The lion. Member for New Ross hail ,aid the mer-bere vernntent ead rotate:al tame associations. Etna if 'hey were me out the Aeecciation were the adopted representatives of the F ., , ,,.. !,. r 1 1 f , al %. - • 2 N . S I 4 L l