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Courts of Juslitc,to press a Solicitor to a disclosure of what he heard in profess . I confidence. Mr. MARILTATT said, such ■ course appeared to him to bear a rtrong resemblance t• the imptisiturial conduct of his Catholic Majesty, which was so muds reprobated here. After some further observations frum Mr. It. Maimis and other Hon. Members, the wifeless was again called in and asked if he had been employed, and by whom, at the :Jaw Grasepound bribery pesseestions sit the Lissomely's Assizes. Witness again begged to decline answering any question respecting the professional confidence reposed in him. The CRATRMAII repeated the qnestion, and informed the witness that the Committee must titre an answer. The witness, after a pause, said, that his duty to his em ployers, rendered it impossible lee could answer this question. The witness was ordered to withdraw. Sir J. MAC% I ITOOI.I nod Mr. BROVGHAN observed, that the questios put Its the witness, 116101 tine which onght ai he :roistered. It merely required to know whether he had been employed, and by whim, at the late Granspound bribery in. dicteneals—it required nu disclosure of proper paufessiuttal cuttfidenee. Sir C. [Wonting rose and said, that in fir as the witness bad been employed by him, he absolved him frame any obliga tion of puofessional steresy. The witness was soul called in, and informed by the CHAIRMAN, that an Hon. Hamitic' haul ;absolved hint from all professional seeresy, with respect to his runnextun with I The question being then put, the witness answered that be haul hems employed by Sir Christopher Hawkins and Mr. 'Tod, to conduct the bribery indictments. Is mower lo qitestions from Lord J. Itt •sets„ the 'sitcom *said 'list he haul repeatedly met Ins employers dorm; the As sizes, nu the subject of the progress" ..... s. U %Vera yes wand at a Meeting at *lnch a Petition to thus Iluuse was dismissed ?--A I must decline ausivering that 'polities, as 1 think it has • tendency to protessitmal disrh.aurr. Alum a fret words hone Sir J. M•csoncoso, Si► C. Han. altos said, with respect to this or soy usher mitaiva iu alias lw (Sir Christopher) was concerned, Ike alma was at perfect Ilk rly to auswer.--(llent, WIII.IAMe said, that Mr. Teed h .41 italicised him that hr had released the *town also frogs all prof. @Mona' c o n. Id. ace, is. hr a he (Mr Teed) was rosietawd. After a few words Cum Alr. Wyatt, Mr. Warren, Mr. Mar ty:a, sad Mr. Brougham. respecting the propriety of call ing is Mr. Teed, it was agreed to postpone that fur the pre. a:sit—nnd Mr Laver was railed in, and earaineil by Mr. Wtt.t.talts. Q. Were you professionally employed from the cum. awacenseat of the last Crampoons! election?—A. Nu; but was employed to defied several of the aectors who were ‘proaeasted by Sr C. Haulages and Mr. Teed, at the Isom cestun Astir*. Q. Dot you enter into any agreement profrasioaally with the Solicitor (or the prosecution's, Mr. Lamb, oa the &ab ject sir three ()main ##### sl—A. 1 Inqw the Noose will 110 i ea I i upon me In make profess ~,,, 31 disclosures, where I was e mfidentially etaployd The• witness was informed that hr must answer the goes. C . He then minted into a locg detail of his comic soh 11w thampouitel bribery pr....tenuous; when le went I:owit to Laniscestoti, he aid, that hr kites little of the cir cumstances of the atopendisig proorcutions, except what he heard (ions his cit.-ids. Sot wheu he beard what is mowed on the to lads of Si. Manass••h Loper, and two p►rsons of ilw flame of Hunt and Allett (or Allen), he fiend that he had out been in poseessios ..f 11w whok of th nee, as his client■ tad 5.. l ly protested to hint that 11w money they received was by lugs merely, soil nut for oohs. He was n o t OM. rained fur any of the persons whom be hail mentioned, but b. was fur ten fawn., and when the case of sow of them (Sultans) was about to come on, lw strongly ►ecommended that so me m o de SiN)111.1 he devised if posaibk to stop furthe► 'woo:cellos.. He was thirry.sevrio years a protean...sal luau, and in recommending a■ adjustment under the circum stances of the case, he acted, as he had always door, with ■ view to the interest of his clients. He, tlwrefore, conferred with Mr Lamb, and •greed of his own accord to pay down 1,00411 and pay all the expenses that bad been tut:weed to stay proceedings against site other Prisoners. Mr Wiwarts—Was soy part of the money, so to he -paid amen, to be given as a repasm•ut of Motley given to rh.• first itistaiwe to airy of dose elerturs?—A. Nothing was said about the repave...4ot of ►urb mussy; it was under. stood .:.ue•rxlly to be for defraying expresses. The witness here r muted some laughter in slur Committee, by expressiug his surprise at the are:orate information which Mr. Wilhelm. appeared to pos.ess respecting thee trausattions its question. Lt hie farther answers lw tined, that be had paid the 1.0001 he bad promised, cud that he had rubsequetitly paid 670f11. tollitiossal, as the entire expenses of these indict. no oh On bring asked fur the production of Ilbt accounts of tln•se disaster:teats. ha declined producing them fur pro fa saiiinal reasons; but he afterwards, uu OW question being repeated, said, that 5,60111/. of tbe soda be had so paid was to defray law impress. a aloire. Q Who paid that unoisey?....S. 1 paid it myself. 14 My whom were you repaiel?..-I have out bees fully is. paid eels Q Ily wham do you exact to ha paid?-s-A. I look to smile of she candidate., as it is a debt of amour. Oa the epostiors ban pressed, the widows decliaed to as. awn, awl was oinkfrd to withdraw. Sir Jana kLaCiansessit said, that the question did not Seed to suy dischassee 4.1 private conileace; it was, as to a singk fact, ►y whom many war paid. The atoms was again called is, 'ad the CXaigmag ad. decant' Wm is no admonitory law, and informed him, that mdse i gui p s amie eporanua W wads the Committee desired an mower, mod which mower they most naive, was sot Doe that could load to an urelawful disclosure of pruhraloaal com mir u crek it was as to. Ow plain fact fro.o whom Its re_ raved the amain which be admitted be bad paid away fur the rap uses of the Gramprostral todictmeats. The winters tam answiretol, that he had bees employed prof. minsually fur a . moistelerable period by Mr. lanes, with whom he had a ratassiag stoma. Whguever he asked fur money he got it. Q. To what amount!—A. Very considerable. On being asked to give s enure precise and particular an• ewer, he said he was ready to answer any question which he tgought the Committee entitkd to ask —!Order.) The within was ordered to witlidsior, and after a few words from Mr. %Vats' Mr. V Friraositato, he was again called in, and ad hcd by the Clwairman, opus. his presuming to make temarks .be the Commille required mew.. 5. witness then admitted, that since the affair at Gram. poem! hr bud received 7or 0,0001 from Mr losses. He had Avid 1,0001. of this to the solicitew, Mr. Lamb, and 3,0001. to Mr. Teed. Au agreement was drawn up, ■od delivered W Mr. Lamb. Mr. Minx *ow suggested that there could be so diffi culty in cellar; in Mr. Lamb to get either this agreement, or a copy of it. Mr. 11. lamb was again called in, awl informed by the • Cusiumie, that the List witness, Mr. Lwrie, had misted to the Committee that lie had deliveseil to him au agreement •ntercd into between the parties; suit that the Committee load desired that this agreement should he now produced. Witnes.-1 have not got it. Q Have yen a airy it?—A. I have Rone except what I received sea solicitor, awl without a breach of confidence to my client, I canoe, produce such detwiatents. tb• being informed by the Cttatuletiti, that boll. air C. Hawkins and Mr. Teed had both absolved him from any prolesaiweal delicacy Inwards them, and wpm Wog again ',reseed to sown the goestiost, the wham replied, that •irkss Medicate thustglit thei► totarasta would be promised by his sewer, he worst beg leave to decker giving it. The witless, was ordered to withdraw, and a esseversatims arose respectiog the weemsity efealctreirgai aissumr. Mr. tirrjraist Onus , " and Mr. llamuatemo were a Ni akin, that as she questiols related Is a fact, sod am to a par. tientar sad camideutial noinsmusleatims is Met way of prefer stoma' intercourse. "bey Mooed Ma triter, dler being absolved by the clients, ought N feel o tisticacy 'wariest. The 10111011111 was ago% called is, mid paremplorily ist iirm.d by the Cuamtman, that the Committee thatired an immediate answer to tbe gamily's Whit* had been pat to him. The quesCon beim% rive:tell, the wilarss had such au igreemeet, bat it is destroyed. Q. %Pismo/id you leilsoy an/ what purpnve yen conceive you sauwevai o r , —A. I draliwyellje ifpre the trials, but I most decline eti.riosisig sy relleMill for doing so, as they relate to profvesioual confidence, which, se I before said, I can't disclose. The witness theta underwent a long examination tenni Mr. Witzleate, in the course of which he admitted that be heard the House had institoted an inquiry, before he de stroyed this dornment, but he disclaimed having any reason to know it would have been neeessary to prodece it is the course of this inquiry. Mr. WILLUINS was proceeding to press the witilris closely upon !points conneciell with the lett of the Grampound bribery prosecutums, when She wilut 'SP was itrilerril to withdrew. Mt. RnouOna then suggested the impropriety of press ing goes. iiiii s Noon a witness profermi tttt ally engaged in the matter, the answers to which werr not material to Ike i iTI- Wel in le inquiry before the Committee. He w.is most anxi ous That every answer which could elucidate the affur should he elicited, bait he may "salted to suggest the propriety of not trying to force rotations which orally were compara tively immaterial. Mier a few worth from Mr. 81101/0111AM. the Committee reported proves*, and asked leave to sit 11X4111. When the Ituust resumed, the Committee was ordered to sit again ant Thursday next. Me. 141'FR Nloolllt (the Chairman of the Committee) thou brought tilt the Minute's of Evidence, which were or dered to be printed. Ihi the motion of Lord Jou?' Russer.e., Mr. Joseph Child and Inothie witness were ordered to att end the Committee nit Thursday next. JUDGMENT AGAINST SIR M. LOPES AND OTHERS. Oil the motion of Mr. WYNN, the Attorney and Solicitor-General were directed lo pray, in the Court of King'il Bench, for the judgment of that Court upon Sir llanasselo Lopes. Mid other persons, who were found guilty of bribery at the last Gram. pound election. Sir CHRISTOPHER Hawkins suggested the pro priety of altering the words other persons," for Nome of the persons convicted could not, from age and infirmities, be brought op to the Court or King's Bench to receive judgment : one man of the convicted was above 90 years of age, and an other upwards of 80. Mr. IVTure said the House could not, on this ground, mitigate an order of this description ; but the Courts of Law would be, of course, open toasty application which grew out of the necessity of the case. The course of Parliament was direct, and that House must take care and see that the record of the 1 of conviction should not remain a dead letter.—( Hear.) 'F he motion was then agreed to. MR. OWEN'S PLAN. Sir Wit. DE CRESPIONY gave notice that he would, on Friday next, move for the appointment of it Committee to inspect the Plan of Mr. Open, fur ameliorating the condition of the Poor. FOREIGN ENLISTMENT BILL Colonel I)Avtrs presented a Petition from the Mniintie.. sneers and Tinders of the City of Worcester, against the Foreign Enlistment Bill. The Hun. Member observed that this Petition was prevented by accident hum reaching him at au earlier periorl.—Lsid un the tahle. COMMISSION OF SEWERS. Mr. DICKINSON obtained leave to bring in a Bill to en. large the previsions of tlw Art of Henry VIII. relative to Drainage, and the Commission of the Sewers, after a few words from Mr. D. Gt . and Lord G. Mr. DICKINSON presenled a Petition from Somerton for the better recovery of Small Debts. As be understood Lord Itriliad.ile meant to bring in • Bill upon this subject, lie should let tbs matter rest in such able hands. CAMELFORD ELECTION. Ou the niotiou of Mr. D. W. HARVEY, the further eonsi. &ration of the Report of the Canielforil Election Committee was postponed wail Friday next. CASE OF MR. ALLETT. Mr. Hume submitted, in consequence of the postpone tricot of the Cause!ford Conindttee,_ the situation in which Mr. Wm. Allett, who was committe r to custody loy the Com mince, was kept, owing to this postpmerricsit. lie then lowed that be held in his bend • Petition front bin,. Ile subluiticil to the House, whether sonsethiug should not he done to relieve that mosfortimate man. The Petition was then brought up and read. It acknow. !edged the imprudence of which the petitioner, William Allett, of St. Mary-Aze London, had been guilty of, in all. 'entire himself from :he Committee; stated, that he hail left tows for the benefit of his heal th, which had Finn in. juiced by an accident, while travelling or • stage coach shout three rare ago, and that, is so doing, he had nut been aware of committiog say breach of privilege, or transgress. in airy order of the Howe, which he dimply lamented having done; that the cossequesees of Curdle, confinement would be highly injorioes to his coustitotion is the then precarious state of hie health ; offered to give whatever security the Home might require for hie future attendance when called (or, and giving whatever evidence might be in his power He prayed the House to take these premises into considera tion, and is coomiserstiou of his cooditiou, to release him flora confinement. _ _ _ Mr Hours thee moved, that the Petitionrr be called to thr her to be reprituauded •ad discharged ; but afterwards, u■ the suggestion of Mr. WYNN, inserted the words " to morrow," 4.11 which the motion was agreed to. Ur. 13. W. 01,1111111 r moved, that the Speaker do not issue hi. warrant to make out a new writ fur the borough of Causelford till Friday bests—Agreed to. COTTON FACTOR' FS. Tbe Cuttou Factories Bill, after a short rostvrroalion hr. tweeu Vr. Pan sad Mr. BINIIITT, was read Ike 'bird him . , aud passed. STILL FINES (IRELAND). The CITA ricErt.utt of the EXCHEQUER moved the Order of the Day for the House resolving itself into a Committee on the Still Fines (Ireland) Bill. the SPEAKER had left the Chair, Mr. C. IltyrEntirsom said, he objected to• this 801 l altogetlser, and be wicked that the Right Hof,. Gentleman (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) could be prevailed on to abandon a measure brought on at PO late a period of the Session, so materially affecting the revenue and spirit trade of Ireland, and intended entirely to lout down the ~stein of law by which they had for a length of time been regulated. lie supposed he bad been induced to fallow such a course by sonic special reasons, of which he kept I (Air. Hutchinson) however altogether ignorant. The plan of licensing awl encouraging great stills had been found highly briselicial to the revenne and to the agnculture of Ireland, end now it was about to be overturned. in order to substitute nobody knew what. He fancied he held in his hand • representation of the induce mem* winch had led the Chancellor of the Ex , chequer to immune, the measure before the Com mittee, sad he wee at a loss to conceive what ground could there be found to justify the po hey in which he was then proceeding.—[The Ho noenible Gentleman allotted to a prouphlet by the Rev. Mr. Chichester. en the conduct of ex cise officers in the north of Ireland.}—He now proposed to upset a system which had hem expe rienced to go en with great success for the hist three years. He had been indebted to the kindness of the Member few Donegal fur the pamphlet to which he had referred, cud he had perused with great ettaition; hut au fir from its jestifying a total poor lair. With respect to the other auxiliary mea sure, if he was rightly informed, its principle was to encourage smaller atilts that. any now 'permitted to work. Now lie objected to that, and his ohjec. tiou war the following:—That in order to he pro ductive they must he extremely numerous; and if they were extremely numerous, one of two things would necessarily happen, either that illicit distil lation would prevail to a greater extent, or revenue officers would be multiplied to a degree burden some to the country. He was sorry if be had made nee of any language hurtful to the feelings of the Rev. Gentleman to whom lie had before alluded ; but he could not see Gentlemen of the first rank and fortune in Ireland libelled as they were in lii, letter, without protesting against it. Mr. CHICHESTER said, that in • debate which had taken place on the subject last Session, he had said, with truth, that the author of the pamphlet courted investigation, but had been unfurtuately obliged, in elucidation of his reasoning, to bring forward facts, which he, in common with every one, must have deplored. It was far from his intention to reflect out his Majesty's Government, it was the law which he conde 00000 ed. It should be ►ecollected that the author himself had observed in his work, that one disadvantage he should labour under was the incredibility of his statements, and he could pledge himself that he had alleged nothing in which he was not borne out by facts. With regard to the measure before the Committee, he should take another opportunity of expressing his senti ments on it. The CuaucLt.tou of the EXCHEQUER said, that the Hon. Gentleman opposite (Alr. Hutchinson) bad been rather hasty in cawing to • conclusion with regard to the grounds on which he had fosioded the measure before the Committee. He Certainly had not made the statements of the pamphlet the reasons of his conduct, because he had been convinced by the discussion which had taken place last year, and by other circumstances, that the author was not borne out in many things he had advanced. But every Gentleman acquainted with Ireland mart have been aware of the impres sion which the severity of the Excise laws produced On the people of that country—/Hear, heel— of the danger of the irritation increasing. That consideration. added to the representation of as Hon. Friend who had been connected with the ad ministration of the revenue in Ireland, had obliged him, though with repugnance and regret, to look at the existing laws, with • New, if possible. to soften their rigours. The objection to the existing law (the punishing the innocent for the guilt), applied, in the opinion of the Hon. Gentleman, equally to the new one. He, however. could not • alteration inthe distillery le.. its Ireland, he held ligree with him. Trait orgumetie‘wai l • Buda consi never read a more highly-coloured and over-charged dereble part of the expense attenditig,the serieeravy statement in his life, nor are which in nuenerer establishments would fall on the r7veolse, 8.44, passages more completely answered itself. Is its therefore, ultimately on the people at true. Ant indiscriminate charges it spared neither the law he had forgot that a great part of all establishments nor the administration of the law ;it heaped 'the for the protection of the revenue fell on the public. most severe censures es well on the Act of the Le- The charge of AFT military and, rowel forces etn gislatnre as on the Government of Ireland, the played in guarding it, weighed wholly,rso the coon- Board of Excise, the reVelblle Officers, and even try. The police was to be foal, and confilied to the Judges. And if the Right 11,iii. Gentleman, those places where, from any cause, the people per after reading the work, had formed the same opi- aimed in their former pernicious habits. IVith respect Mon of many parts of it as he had. he inserted that to the other measure for the riscouragement of small Ise had not done his duty its not directing his Ma- stills, he believed that every Gentleman well advised jesty's Attorney-General to institute a prosecution would consider the adoption of some provision of against the author, in defenceofthe partiesso greatly the kind a necessary_ concomitant of a Bill re maligned. But in truth it was umiecessery, as pealing the townland fining Hear, bear. ) misty of the accusatious refuted themselves. He He felt the subject, however, enveloped in diffieul might admit that the townland filling law had in ties and embarrassments, iadth :wi i th regard to the some iastences been severely construed and harshly great distilleries, and also with regard to the draw executed ; but it was nut on account of individual backs and countervailing duties provided in cote instances of suffering that a general and beneficial sequence of the union between the two , coon system was to be given up, a system too which had tries, and the House ought to be Ceutious in the produced the almost total suppression of illicit die greatest possible degree of doing any thing to tillation in the counties of Donegel and Derry, and touch upon its provisions. Feeling, therefore, the the rest of the north of Ireland. IVould the importance of legislating right iii the first in- Committee eXCltange a law which had been found stance, and the danger of proeeeding in too hasty productive to the revenue, and advantageous to and precipitate a manner, he trusted the House the country, by extinguishing drunkenness, inno- would agree with him in thinking the most ad rality, disorder, and the Ion; train of evils eon- viable course would be, not to press forward the s.qutiit ass illegal distillation. and introducing collateral Bill during the present Session, but to moral and peaceable habits in their stead among let it be introduced, have the blanks filled up in a the peasatitry, for they did nut know what? Committee, end be maturely considered by all par , That the townland fining law was effectually attain- ties concerned in the interval between this and the mug its object was obvious, from official statements following Session. by which it appeared that thousauds of gallons of General HART said, that having been on the legal spirits were now consumed in those districts staff in Ireland, he had had an oppo trinity of which, previously to the passing of the law, had knowing the truth of many facts similar to those been wholly supplied with illicit whiskey. He detailed in the pamphlet alluded to ; Bud he could knew that the law was a severe one, hut he wished prove, if he were permitted, that four out of live that in describing its consequence , to the House. of the cases detailed therein were perfectly true. his Hon. Friend bad also made a representation of Nothing in the pamphlet was directed against the the evils under which Ireland laboured from illicit Government, but the perfidy of the Excise officers. distillation. and which had beets always deplored es The effects of the law had been such that of late one of the greatest misfortunes of that country..... emigration had taken place to an extraordinary de ( Hear. )—He did not mean to examine the penis gree in the north, f !Muer!. lie tinderetood that color charges of the pamphlet ; hut he could not twenty.five thousand people hurl embarked at help observing, that he could not believe the law, Derry for America last year ; and that torepsrations as it set forth, at once transformed the inhabitants were now going on there which induced people to of Eimishosren from peaceable. industrious, loyal think the ber would this year be increased. people, to system:die opposers of law, conspirators. The effect of the existing law was, to pioduce a plunderer., and murderers. The Right Hon. Geri- tumid change in the character, and to demoralise tlemait had originally countenanced may large many of the inhabitants of the north of Ireland. stills—then lie allowed stills of from one hundred Lord MourreCtiaima said, that unless the col. to forty-five Ohms to work— vhe had in con- lateral measure fer the enconragement of small stills temptation a plait for the encouragement of smaller should be passed, it would be impossible the int ones, which would injure the owners of both the sent Bill should be attended with its full efficacy. former. The main ground urged for the abolition Sir H. PARNELL said, he perfectly agreed in the of the existing law was, that it punished the inno- , principle of the Bill, its he greatly preferred a local cent for the guilty ; hut the present Bill continued police to illicit distillation. lie was sorry the the same objection, with this difference, that under Right Hosioureble Gentleman did not intend, the former it was the innocent in the illicit districts agreeably to his promise —(Near. hear)—to have who were made to suffer—gentlemen who did not to have the other Bill passed this Session, for giving sufficiently exert themselves to put an end to a law. the measure for the repeal of the existing law its less practice. But the new Bill would punish full effect. When he consideterl that snore than the innocent all over the empire fur the guilty; it two months had elapsed since the Right Honour went to introduce a police which would make all able Gentleman had determined to give up the thee towns in England and Ireland answer for illicit old law, he could not but think that if proper distillation in the north of Ireland. Fifty m e n attention had been paid to the matter, a Bill were to be placed in each barony where the Go- might be brought in, maturely considered, and vcrnment would deem them necessary, which, with passed before the end of the tiessiuo.—(/tear.) she fees to officers, and other charges, would not As the Right Hon. Gentleimio had alluded to the cost less than four or five thousand sr year, and Union, he should take that opportuoity of making should the disposition to evade the law prevail to an observation connected with that measure. The much extent, the country would be Put to immense words of the Right Hon. Gentleman were, "thut expense, the guilty would pay one half and they ought to be cautious in the greatest possible the country the other, which was punishing degree of doing any thing which could touch on its the innocent with the guilty with a vengeance. provisions." Now a subsequent Act prohibited the Formerly the landed proprietors were made to pay Engludi retailer from selling Irish spirits—that he for the offences of their tenantry, which, he be- looked upon no a direct infraction of on e of th e ac hieved, were indulged in, either from their absence tides of the Union, and hoped a clause would be or their carelessness. The Act, however, wag ef- introduced into the pretent Bill to repeal it. fectual, and the principle of it was recognized in I Lord Caszt.EttEarat hoped, that, as there was a general agreement as to the leading principles of the Bill, it would not be haz iriled by entering in►o details and measures of regulation. He trusted the House would assent to giving a full and fair trial to a Bill intended as a general ►entrdy, and to conciliate the good wishes of all parties.—(Hear, hear.)—%Viih respect to the auxiliary measu►e, there might be more haste than good speed. It was one of great complication and difficulty, and required to be well considered, even for the inte rest of those who were Twist noxious for the repeal of the existing law. Nothing► would tie more in jurious to their interest• than to adopt a bad plan hastily, which might evektually, from its ill sire coots, cause the whole plan to lie laid aside. Considering the state of bu►inness in Parliament for some time, that his Right Hon. Friend had not the officers employed in the administration of the revenue at hand to consult. that there would be three cl of stills at work in Ireland, engaged in competition with one another. the several re gulations for winch, and the drawbacks and coon duties,would be matters of great difficulty and complication, mid that delay might ultimately be benefit-ha, lie was sure the Hon. Baronet would not be dispo►ed to censure his Rt. lion. Friend for nut having brought forward his measure earlier, to as to pass into a law this Sessiou. He hoped the mea sure would he fully and maturely considered before the next Sessi ~,,, !tore especially if leave were given to bring it in now. He hoped it would not be imputed to want of attention or idleness in his Right Hon. Friend or himself shit the measure had not been yet introduced. if it were allowed to stand over till next Session, it would only be desired on an understanding that it would be one of the very first measure. which should be then laid before the House. and that it would be followed up with all practicable dispatch.—(Hear.) Mr. DAWSON animadverted 011 the conduct of Mr. ,Eiseits Coffey, an Inspector of Excise, in put ting marginal notes on Mr. Chichester's pamphlet to au official report made out by him. Sir G. HILL Raid, that all the statements in the pamphlet, and the complaints in a speech in the early part of the Ses-ion (Mr. Manion's, we pre sume), related to circumo ,ve.s which occurred berme the sitting of the hist Committee, and the existence of the townlaud fining law. General HART said, that not half the witnesses intended to hr produced had been examined before that Committee. When a Meutber wished to exa mine Mr. Cooper, the Member for Slugs, it was objected by another, " What is the use of it ? it will only shake the conclusions we have come to, from the evide.nre already given." Mr. V. FlTlttileltALD said. it ems impossible slot - : In rioted against the terms in w i;e• towoland fining law had been de-crib , variety of other observations, the Right Roo. deform censured that clan.e in the whirls rlo powered Gram! Juries to recommend the revival, should they think fit, of the dormant powers oft.. law ahniet,tolif repealed. Lord Joeti:Yri entreated the Chancelbir of t' Exchequer to recollect, in ally measure ire bring forward next Sesaioat for the encour of small stilbc that the great distillers of Irei iert had sank a mill of *Moil its a trade whist, ;.. been found extremely beneficial both to the rebei,ue and to the country. Sir. M. EtT7.Cl'nll.l3 raid, that the adoption of one branch only of the new system was not it it fair trial ;. and it illicit distillation slioind increased by next Session, there wowld be no to say the entire experiment had failed. He timitife4 The Right Hon. Gentleman and Parliament cant.{ not, with their eyes open, violate a material mritct, of the Union in excluding Irish spirits from the fish retail market, and he therefore called Ott har t rq lake the first opportunity of rectifyiirg what he must look spun acs mistake. MI:PEEL expressed hit disapproaition of the clause alluded to by Mr. M. Fitz4.-rald. The CH•Ncut.hoit, of the Exciii reef{ said, the Spirit Intercourse Act did not. pre -vela, th.• tion of Irish wlinkey into England ; i t .11 0 „, r d artiele to be imported, but required it to he ro tified before being hrought into the retail minket. After a few words from Sir H. Pa RNF.1.1,, Colonel BA UK Y said, that if the native in its raw mate, int excluded fruit the market, ma should the imported article. Mr. M. FITZGERALD ins sted th..i the regulatirin woe a substantial violation of one of the articles of the Union. . Mr. G. CALLAGHAN Paid (as we collected) that the inteoded meirestrr, if founded on due deration and deliberation, would ultimately receive the support of nll parties interested. Mr. FRENCH objected to the large salaries w t.., by the Bill to revenue officers, and more orti,,, !arty In the sum of 7001. per dinititn, the salary of the Chef Magistrate. General HART complained that there was no. thing in Ireland but R system of poolbhment ; issibery ha. been ameliorated iu other punishment has Oren abolished even in the army— why should it be reserved for the people of alone? In Ireland the people knew of lia! law hut its severity; this was to lie lagoiroted. In behind there were goad materials ; it was to he l a . merited that three materials were not properly worked. Ile was sorry to say that the people that country were not treated with lernty ; uo doubtrdly if they were encouraged, if their Cori. Ries were called forth, the empire would reap the full fruits of a wine and liberal system of govern. ment, in the increasing strength and prosperity of the empire. Mr. 'HUTCHINSON complained of the Bill. It was. hit said, intended to re-enact a system which had been already tried and failed, and intended to introduce a system of police at once expensive and unnecessary. In the yeur 1779, though there were 1.152 small stills in Ireland, which distilled 1,094,000 gallons of spirits, whilst the reduced number, in the year 1814, produced 1,300,900 gallons, he could not, he said, but question the wisdom of a niea-me by which the Right M a r. Gentleman relinquishes a measure which hail been tried, to adopt one woich he could not understood, and the of of o Inch he could not atiticirite. Whilst he considered toe pamphlet to *lnch he had before alluded, us t Airtorrect in its fact., rid trro neous in ita conclusious, he could be sorry at the same time to make any observreion that could be at all painful to the feelings of any Member of thdt !louse. Several claims were then rend and agreed to. On the chum giving Grand Juries power to key fine,. on townlviiils by preventinents, being priw long conv..reition took place between the Chancellor of the I.:Ku'legiier, Sir N. Colthurat, Sir Henry Purnell, Sir George 11411, and Mr. n chi won. The CHANCELLOR Of the EXCHEQUER A.;ti, thHt he considered the Grand Jurt thr most hrdln r trel , uool to regulate the towilland Sir Nictiot.As Coi.ritt7usT said, that those were 1111111detreettldi. Gi-ikral HART sail, the Lion. Baronet might thick so. In one county (Donegal) there stele no less than 3UO informations for still films. Mr. Hterctittssos timid, the Chancellor of she Exchequer was now called on by Gentlemen to abandon a system which wee best calculated to pot down illicit distillation ; but Gentlemen were not satisfied to stop here—they objected even to NH.", Grand Jurors the powe► to return to the system ~f levying fines on too/islands fur the ensiling year, should they by the force of evidence find it 14 p.f. to do so. The House should recollect that in Civone of the system now so violently opposed, they have the evidence of the merchants of Reliant, of Drogheda. and of Londonderry, formerly given. they also had a Report of the Committee of that House. He could not but regret to see an attempt made to induce the Right Hots. Gentleman to abandon a system that was so beneficial to the agricultural interests and the revenue of Ireland. Mr. M. Frrznia.u.so sdid, his lion. Friend liati been led away by his zeal. Mr. HUTCHICSOW said, he would repeat hitt Ilt. sertiotta. He was zealous. and he was not wlttittitAl of being so when he frit he was right. The gallery was then cleared and the House di vided on the claims., wisest there appear. For the Haute 37 Against it IT blajorily After some other verbal amendment. the Illott•rt restnned. slid the Report was ordered to be brim& t up to-morrow. PEW SOUTH WALES DUTIES. On the motion of Mr. GoeLiftiltN, the II .411 , e re. solved then' into a Committee on the Neo Swot Wales Duties. Mr. Gout.autx stated, that the objett or the Bill was to inderooify the Governor of Nen Walt* from impositig and levying dotter, to fume certain duties, and to authoripe (it•vrto nseut of that place to put a duty , 111 spirits. It lint beers long held, th a t by establi-hitig dt,.illerte. 111 New South Wales, the agriculture of that cum.. try would be ouch euceuraged. A Grutltuum 114,1