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~` se occasion. The Men inquired if I ',told give him +mother ? 1 cleared blur a guinat.Nirovided he would part with the horse. Why," Gaye ttie man, " a guinea, Sir ! L ean work this . hake *rat Weeks longer, uud after tint I can sell him to thieilaiagh ter house, and the make tour or ti'e Okounds." I wish that your fifttlhipe would attribute to my conduct uo more thaw:the discharge i g my duty ; the act I performed. was, to my 1, unavoid ahle-4 followed the than iihd purchased the heist ! But this mode of relief cantintgA ways be applied to the sufferings of animals, which meetoth eye ul timo every day, and in a! art every street of this tecti:opolia. it is also iii ages like that to which I have alluded, the word "abase" will moat aptly ply; and, when precedeit by the other words I bate adverted to, these can be no danger of the opera tion. Sorr .i , , NllOlll4 I lw amity injury could possibly arise from tins penal fita:ute, and it is my anxious wig' every preceattose should he adapted which ine.• preystit any 'oard '.l the liiierty of toe sub jr j Ilia Lordship then snitoil there was too t I ' r 00 , 4.1 by its •Ii; *oil l'y a fy of asneadment, winch 'he had framed for the better Orevention of ereelty to other cattle, while proceeding to a fair or market, by means of cairn,,,, o p t i m mit, an d h ol i g h..• The House eo'.hl be asionislieti if they knew all the castes which had I sten eleeeriberl to Innt by letters-Wpm Magitstrete,, also particularly desired clauses to be itieerted for the prevention of each particular Caere He toed oloserve.l, During the thirty years of my parliamentary lite,l never intro. deiced auy alterution if. the law, or Hoy new Act of Parliatilent; I 'possess no ostentation coupling a statute with the own melee; and, on the present occasion. your lamb:Mpg will, I trust, give the credit for being_ as by the `purest of motives.—(hear ! ilea; hire wo desire that the measure in contemplation Should be considered as originating myself. 'I 'Outdid ruttier the people of this cotintry sholeld coasider it is proceeding from the its. out coacarrence of your Lordships, whose authority will give doe . weight to its operation. fib, this accoitut 'I feel desirous, so to alter and aftieml the 13111, that it may meet with the 4111i1111111011)i approlattsin of this I i and be less Ink lv to Moor 'My 'object:au if. !It ter place. After till, if this legislative mea -11e:e should be attended with any itquilous 'eoleie rpierices, now unfortseeie I pl e d ge my lim m er, that ',would be one ut th.• Mitt to propose 'tech al terutioes us should prevent their reCtlltence. There is one paint more to which I beg your tordahips' ' attention; eltinste i lt. my Lords, I have crew w!tli regret the growing of cruelty to animals its tics land, ued lI4Ve thouget it esped;ent to introdu-e . • the Bill before you set, my Lords, in this I Ind, If. which our lots are east to live, there is mere honour, there is mote humanity:. there it a stronger some of MOM thltf t (hist& in any other country on the face of the glohel I sin proud to say . so. and that I live in such ;t ',money ! And I rejoice I earl say, still more, never ware times ultra more geodeeses coedit* people existed, than to the present ! There never was more purity in the meet of man, than in this country, and in these times ! Ida 1 0 4 mesa in a certain month or year; tut there is a progressiou of good qualities, up to the times in which *relive. and which have emanated from re ligions iinstiititirii4„ (minded upon the enlightened system of Christianity; the betteticencr and mi'd wits of winch I have always atlmireel=-3nili consist ently with the ';irinciplea of which. I hare frained or the sovention of cruelty !" The sue EY said a few Wer:!r,-eit . pressing his/nose eor4ial support of the Bill. aid that he had on a forinerfficy boly wished due cau tion might be used its framing it, *outfit. It should not be ifejunous to its operation. The Bill, as amended, pissed throagh the Com mittee. and it was ordered that tile same be prieted With the aineudnseuts. LICENSES TO DISSENTERS. Viscount Stonouvit rose, in pursuance of his notice of yesterday, for the purpose of makiing his promised inot:ou Loncerniag the number of licenses grained under the Toleration ,Act. That statute of William and Mary. commonly called the Tole riition Act. could not he too much appreciated for the blessings which its liberality had entifttred upon society. The object of his motion would, he trusted, meet with equal approbation from those Twig& who enjoyed the treoefit of that statute, as it could do from those who espoused the doctrines of the Estaidishea Church. Alth.iugh he ass one of those who hailed tile Idessiog of toleration, yet, in reverting to die principle and meaning of that Act. so t.v as it concerimil the granting of lieviises to those who dissented front do; doctrines of the Church of England. it wis very evi dent, considerable abuses had beef. prnetised, un der its authority. It would be admitted by all, that some of those who applied. fee these licenses, slid so for very is:apse/per purpose*. Thies it happened, twine, particularly nt certain peridds, obtemed the lieense of 'u preacher, merely to free themselves front those claims which their country Inul 1111 their p setveces, and to which others were en genetally liable., There W:l4 110 t much oecieiton to trouble tiie House by geiiig ut length into the uature of these uhities at present, because he believed there would not beanie objection to the motion he was about to propose. But, the fact nal., by applying for the II- Celise,ull(l paying a shilling, it was of coarse granted, althritigh the person receiving it never meant to uremia. or was )I:competent for such an unde rtak logs This practice was increasing to a very great ' degree; and he did aotateent to the geueral belief of the vast increase of these who were termed Dissent ers; err, emssiderine the increase of popalatties, he conceived there %Vas only a proporttonsteaucreast: those who differed from the doctrines of the Church. After the returns were made. which he should mote far, he was not prepared to say that be should pro pose any regulation on the suhjert. By returuing the number of dime who ohteineff linens's' for a se ries of year* enterrdeut, aail their increase, it wouhi indirectly remit out the necessity of attend ing to the comfort of the lower orikrs of our owe clergy. At all event*, 'adopting thia.coarse of pr05...y..6,6g s...y..6,6g would produee that information which would be omelet to Parliament, and alight induce *thens to propose some measure of jireventing these abuses for the future.' Although et 'night he a very delicate sithject, it might be to euljeet of couei demtion, how men poseessieg no pholheotient wr re . sommendation from the reli,pwapi society to which they belon.ed, ehonld rewire heetteee for the plus , .. ~~. • • • pose of teaching others their religious duty it might be worthy consideration how far the mere outgo:pit of a 'man, without any education„that he was •elf-culled and self-appointed, should be en titled to a license under the statute, without a Cer tificate from the society whose religious worship he was devoted to, that he was a lit person for the office he war about to assume) Fiona the great increase of the poi,ulatioti, the churches of this kingdom were not adequate to the con venience of those who were its mettilier.. Many attended other places of worship, with their font lies, because they found it impossible to attend a church or chapel of their own persuasion. 'lnure were stroll; mastitis to press this subject upon their constd.-raton, which pointed nut the propriety of building more churches, and also sheered the llV eeshity of increasing the small livings, Which would reduce the number of pluralities. His Lordship concluded bi moving, That a return he from the Quarter Sessions of each county in Eng land amid Wales, .of all licenses zratited under the Toleration Act, frima the year 1780 to leo9, spe cifying the grants of each year." Lord FIARROWBY rose m favour of the ruction, but he would propose, as an amendment, that the returns shmld he made to a still more remote pe riod; he oinild propose the motion should inaude this Kin.fi Reign, and that 1760 he substituted for F;tmo. lie thought the subject was important ; and after what haJ been attempted on a for mer occution, there was not much hope that any measure could be well resorted to, for the purpose of preventing the perversion of that act of pa liu nient.. He agreed with the Noble VisCouut, that the Dissenters hail not increased to the degree re prorenteil, and that there was a• want of new 'Churches, mai further assistance to the lower orders of the Clergy. " The Archbishop of CANTERBURY orrifessed his high regard for the Toleration Act. From his own experience, in two dioceses, he was induced to Ll lievetlie Dissenters had increased very much. par tiettitirle in the last few years. One cause he con ceived to he the want of churches to contain the people; for the fact was, oar population htd far ~arg r ,oci, oar inachitiery. Ilitcoaceived the Noble yisceulit's object was, rather to aid another mea sure for 'bettering the situation of the Clergy, than to Putout an direct proceriliug upon the return. Earl Grtitsvetrou texPressedhis thanks to the N o . ble Viaeonot for having brought forward the pre tent 'motion. He could tint concur with the No '.ble Baron (tfarrowhy) tont when the House should have all the oil winsome ou die subject. they should' not proceed to form Some regulations. In his hands Its heir(a publication, which applied to the present : It 4 , nitalard a letter trs the late Archbi shop of Clitteriniry, giviitx an account of the Great number of those who hail applied fOr licenses to preach, and, amon . glit the another there were six who spelt Goyim./ in six differeot ways, and there 'tvere seven who could not write their names, but erne obliged to set their mark. The Lift° Citancxt.Lon had a great regard the . T;.leration Act ; but th.r circumstances al hided to had often . oecupied his consideration. He pail fully iiersual..l.l, mans obtained those licenses, who, at this base the obtained them, dot not mean to preach, hut tie elv-rnsde nse of that expedient • fur the porpo , e those doitirs, which every goal and ver 4 ions man would Ise 1111111013 s to discharge. AA this iiiot; at was intruded td pro duce mfre-teati )))) for the 11 , n.e in tile aria Session of Pad could 11..ve wished it also to ludo return of all those who never had preach c tr they had obtained the license ; bdt be spec; . ..1 rtserve it for a ( ,articular inot.ion, at a fa tare period. The in ,:;on was unanimously agreed to. Ui.on the motion of the Loan CIIANCRI.LOR, the secot:,l reading of the Bankrupt Laws' Bill was postponed till ItVedneaday.—Adjourtted. MODEM OF CONI AIMS. Mr. Secretitry C•Ett NCI brought up a Copy of a Dis patch from the Foirrim OiErr to the Hon. David Erskine, British Minivtrr in America, oliich wis ordered to tie on the table tool prioled. The Irish Tontine Annuity Biil was read a Cat time and ordered for a second rendiii; to-morrow. Mr. Dun Psi. brought up this report on the Irish Cat toots Bill. The linewlnsents were ordered to be engrossed, sad the Bill to he rood a third time to-morrow. The Report upon the Spirits' Duty Bill was brought ap, and the soueior:o.wets ordered to he eiserossed. Sir Jaitra CA!. II AII INOUKIII up t 1 report on the Jowl. went Do- , .t0, , Roll. The ardeartments were ordered to he eu groo...eol, awl the Bill to he read a third time to-moriow. t Meeo...4e ~r .om the Lords signified their agreement to M.. Irish Beer Rili, the Life Annoitiee` Bill, the American Trade r.m, and the Peat-Othre t Cue tuot:an of Lord Loa Ala e, the Vute of Credit Bill war read a second time and committed The Gomilti' lVairliouse Bill was read a isecoad time sad tonouitted. Pont Roads' Dill wasread a third time and plowed. The unease Lewis' Bill was read a third time cod pawed. The Colouist Penalty Bill was read a SCCOI4I time aid committed. Tim Report u: the Committee on the Coffee Act was brought up and n7reert to. The Report or the Committee for .10:mentie: the Judges' Itstories was bought ap, cud, after • few words front tir. tke Chatite!lor of the Exchequer, Mr. Wil tx.rfoinie, Mr. Bankes, arid Mr. Dawkins Browns, the Re stilettoes were read a becoud titer. The Spirits intercense Suspension Act WIZ, l'.rderc.l to be re:A a third time tin Tannin;; rail the Petition presented by Mr. :RATTAN to be then taken into consideration. Mr. litel.Lisit moved the third reading of the Gas Light Bill Sit JOlis ANsTROTIMIS aad Mc. POLE CAW up pnsed it. Mr. D. Gt DDT proposed, as se ansandwieat,that ft should be read a third time that day three a SntLi ; *hick, after *.,ae farther observation' from, Sir John Ilan, Mr. Belong tau, Jr. Thompson, and Mr. Wilberforce, was carded, Ayes Se. Nees 3s. Mr. Herta•atr inured the second reading of the Jocelyn Estate Bill. HUM DISTILLERY BILL. The House went into a Committee oii the atiove Hill. Mr. PARNELL objected to the maitre of the punishment inflicted by the Bill upon ellth pinions es were concerned in ui.lireused stills. For the Rest OfrrlWe, e'o►p.nnl punishment was inflicted; for the twvoed, tmeapottaimi. lie did tint approve of oath severity, especially us the aystein now acted on was so defective as to give enr•.ouragement to ' the offence. lie would theref. - we move, “ That the clause inflicting sueli punishment should be omit ted." Mr. BERNARD disapproved of the entire system o f laws that regulated the distilleries of Ireland.— He yrws strengthened iu his opinion, tint only by ' the Irish Commissioners sti inquiry, hi l t by a tri.,l of the present bynteill for marry cams. by, con ',ended, that at tau period were illicit distilleries Carried on to a greater extent than the lost two years, winch must alone be attributed to the pre sent re;:ttlations. Though the Right lion. Gentle man n Gold not at present agree to a change in the aystent, he was happy to hear him say even so tirm.ll as that next session he would medt an inquiry on, thu subject. He (Mr. 13.) pledged himself to bring it forward at 'un early period, and hoped to cow. since the House that a change of the system would be of considerable advantage to bath countries, by encouraging agriculture, and increasing the re venue, Mr. M A KTIN said, that lie had never yet heard of corporeal punishment being inflicted fur a fiscal . offence ; RUED at punishment, in much a case, was unknown to the constitution. iiie.ides tht nature of the corporal punishment was nut aseurtatined— whether it wits to be flogging or hiattging they did not know. Great are, lie admitted, *hook! ha taken of the revenue; but not by subverting the pnticiples of the British Constitution. Mr. WRITBILEAD said, that the ninny experiments of thin kind which had been adopted its other eosin tries of Enrolee, should act as a wanting to tlieni, boss they would resort to ton great seventy. After some farther observations from Mr. rssi yen, Sir Jona NEWPORT, d t an d M r. i A.:Ram) ; Mr. FOSTER agreed to withdraw the trunigraph. Mr. PARNELL ohjected to the clause which pu nished the carrying of spirits, illegally distilled, with transportation. Mr. Poem It said, that the punishment was di rected, not against the bare carrying, but the force resorted to for the itotivearice of it. Sir NEWPORT proposed tin amendment to the clause inflicting corporeal punishment for mis demeanours, as.it left too much to the discretion • of the Courts of Justice, and the penal laws were already too severe iu Ireland. This was supported Mr. MARTIN and Mr. Poxsonny, and opposed by the CUANCELLOi of the Excireouen, and Mr. BARRY. In consequence of what passed, Sir JOHN Nm- PCRT agreed to withdraw his amendment till the third reading of the Bill. After the Committee had gone through the va rious other clauses, the House resumed, and the report was ordered to be received to-morrow. Mr. BARHAM moved, .‘ That there be laid be fore the House Copies of all Memorials or other ap plications presented to the Lords of the Treasury,. the Board of Trade, or either 'of them, since the Lit of June, 1808, respecting the admission of foreign ►ue,ars for home consumption, upon payment of British Plainution.duties, together with copies of the Report of the Commissioner• of the Customs, and the Warrants of the Treasury, or any other answers returned thereto." This .motion, after some observations from Mr. -lU►RtssoN, was agreed to. Mr. ILtansu gave notice that he would, on Tues day, move fir copies or extracts of all letters from the governors of colonies is the West ladies, rela tive to the state of those colonies, us connected with the depreciation of their produce. Sir JouN N zwronT wished to know from the Right lion. Cent. opposite (Mr. Foster), whether any compensation had been made to those who had salted by the abolition of certain Custom-honse fees in Ireland, in consequence of a late uct of Parliament' . Mr. Fume answered, that he had not yet heard of any claims having been laid before the Treasury; sad, until they were made, nothing could be done. The Bill now before Parliament, for regulating the Custoni-house business, would allow the Lord Lieu ti.aant to compensate those who clitieueJ. THIRD REPORT ON PUBLIC OFFICER. On the motion of Mr. MARTIN, the House went into a eninalittee upon the said Report. Mr. M Salt?: then stated, that since this %abject was hist before the Liouse, nothing had occurred to make hint alter his opinion as to the Resolutions belied suggested, One thing however had occurred to strenetheit the stateluent as to the necessity of econany in the public expenditure, namely, the in fnrination Said becore the House, as to the resources of the country. From the return made of the amount of the permanent taxes, contrasted with • the expenditure of t h e country, it must he seen with concerti, that in order to pay the iiitt rest and charges of the additional debt incurred, the war taxes must be permanently pledged, even in the time of pence. tie then entered into a financial statement, in order to spew this necessity ; and con cluded with moving his first Resolution, which was, o That the present ardisout ritaativa of pulthe the ineree.ii! .:right of taxes, together with the charge, iacurrud by the war, absolutely require retrenchment itt the larger branches of the public expenditure." * Mr. HtOMIIIIIOt4 entered into a comparison or the amount of Taxation and Revenue of th:,, with preceding years, in order to do away what lie con ceived to be au erroneous impressiou the lion. nr hail conceived of the financial affairs of the country; and to 'hew that there was no necee sity fur despou . deney. Lord Fotastmee conceived that there was much fallacy in the arguments used to thew the prospe rity of the country. Mr. TtEnsee observed, that the fair way of stat ing the circumstances of thecountry was, to estimate what would probably be the result of our Financial Establishment, were peace to take place to-uior row morning. He had initile a statement, from which it appeared that the re would be an expen diture to the amount of 49! millions, with which we must meet our peace establishment ' • without allowing for the winding up of the war, and to meet this, there would be a deficiency of upwards of 7,000,0001 which must lie procured either by a continuance of the Property Tax at 5 per cent. by having recourse to a Loan, or by laying no some new taxation iu lieu of the War Taxes which should expire. Loot MILTON thought that the discussion was biking a turn entirely foreign from the miliject of the Third Report upon offices, nod therefore tug gt steel the propriety of proceeding to the matter iu question. • After N few words from the CtIANCELLott of the Exvtixou 6R, I Mr. MAKTiX it to withdraw his first Reso -1 lotion, and to adopt that proposed by the Right I - • Mt. Gentleman,, it heists rail& tar the tame par, per:. Mr. Rose hoped that it would not be defter.; irrelevant to the stitiji•c• i.a roiestitim if lie ended. vui:red, by a state:ll,lot, to do away trroneops MIL prerisiona that bud ;;our abroad of late, as to Go_ velituent having nu ittelinatiott to iwb o .t plea s or eeotioniv and retrenchment in the pulnic expee.h. tore. The lit. :lop. tient. then read a statement of various retrenchments of offices that lord tsk ei , Alice shice I 7.te. by the exertiona of Governmeor, during various tottLinisirations. The conclusions he 4rew from dorm were, that no less Ciao 878 of_ lieu* had been wince that period, down o the present time ; and that a saving, had arisen to the public of 31.1,d0n1. per ihminn. He put therefore, to the House, whether there was actu ally stay foundation for molt a charge being moue, that the goiennnent of the country had no &wow tion for economy ? He then remarked upon the come Paved in negociating luaus, compared with those of former periods; by the renewal of leases of crown lands ; by the ( -beast in the me atier of drowhig navy bills ; to which he added, the savings upongoverutucnt debentures, and which, altogether, lied effected a saving of nearly two millions Iv. He coaeliidell with savior, that the Resole.: emits proposed were so reasonaule, that lieconsid... eel thwin as unexceptionable. Mr. Cutit`Pa tr said, that the Right Hoe. (I.id man hail gone hack to the begin ff I)) the ec.i tory to the* his calculation's ; he commie...ie.! with His Majesty's reigo,his dedoetious wc.uld have been very different. Mr. Rote replies), and snit), that 1111. Pitt had Inarle it his coustatit elide to keep dim.. tiens;oo•. Mr. Wit.BBllFeaCe lasi.l n fee words in support of what hail &lieu front tIM Right Hon. Gentle man (far. Rose). Mr. Cavity entered into the history of the 41 per cent. duties, and cuutende4 that the Crown hod no right to ergot ponsioas in the way it did. Sir JOHN NKWIPosiT ol)Atrreti, that as a -state ment had Leen made of the savings under Nit.. Pitt's Aihniiiistrutido in Euglaltd. he hoped a simi lar one would be made of die savings in !rebind ; iis he found the decreose of the Cavil List, under the head of pensions, prevented, as far us by a Member of the present Cabinet, while Lord Lieutenant of that country. In 17%4 the Civil List way, after much struggle, I' •ted to 80,00 01. and no mo-e than 1,:tdol. a-year to Ire granted in future; and yet, as that Act wa, to take place seven moticii after, it was sw,fdleet with no less than 13,0031. to the bite-Ain; and in the five years he presided in that country, the NlllOOl6 I.IA w:.,increased 35,00 Di. He declared his in temitni of offering a proposition, bolitiog the Pen sion List of frets:el tn., it or 40,0001: altar, as its relative proportion to this country. Ac to .the application of the 1,1091. he should only say, the year before last. it wag illrided between hleurilm:l4 of that House; no doubt, for good coosideration. Lord MILTON contended, the four and a half per cent. was olwava a public and not a priyatu fund. upplicuble to the service the island of Barbadoes, turd diverted from it to the Pension Fnnd, as appear- rd from a memorial to Queen Ann, coinplui ll ll cf it, mid her promise thut the Fund should lie restored to its proper channel. • Mr. IVHITCREAD did not think that any one man could manage the affairs of lodia and Ireland to gether. The Board of Controul he had nuder stood to be at ti:at instituted without a salary. Ile thought thuf the pension list was unnecessarily in creased ; he did not see what necessity there was, or whatim.tice towards the public, in peusioningoit, for life, persons wlio had nut perhaps served two years 4lotrice. No opinion could be more mistaken than that of supperstii.g that persons ofabtlity would not undertake an ()thee without the prospect of .1 pension. The influence of the Crown in that House, which, theoretically speaking, every one should deny, was advanced too far ; he would there fore move as an amendment, " The further limita tion of persons holding ploces or emoluments un der Government.etititled to eilin that House." Ile wished it to he poeticuiarly understood a, his in tention to cxelittle %Velsh Ju,!gea. Mr. Peace vat considered •sorne of the "legit.. meets adopted on the taller side us of a most Iris, tocraticul nature. The Hon. Centle.uan opposite had advanced the theory against the practice of the • Constitution. With respect to the Welsh Judges, there veere no men less likely to le: iuflucticed by improper motives. Mr. Smtru agreed in the opinion of the imisolicy of such a number of pensions. Mr. Pomsoritiv said, that the a sieodment pro posed by his Hon. Friend was one most important to the Constitution. He had an inclistutwo to agree in the principle of the amendment, but be submitted, whether its magnitude did nut entitle it to mature deliberation, and, consequently, le quire that it should be t!eferred Mr. Lirrtierote,Mr. THORNTON, aud Lord FOLICSTONE., agreed in the principle. Witeraasati again maintained his opinion with respect to the exclusion of Welsh Judges ; even the Master of the Rolls, with all his ability, would he as well out of Parliament. He was wit hug to withdr.iw his proposition, as Gentlerden seemed to wish for time to consider it; he would therefore uatrie a day in the course of next week fur its thscussitio. Mr. Ron. opposed the amendment. Lord H. PETTY in a few words supported it. A conversation then ensued between jr.N Pace val, Mr. Ponsoithy, Mr. W. Wynne, Mr. Footer, anti Sir John Newport. Mr. WELLE4LEY Pots spoke in explanation of his having held a 'notation in the Exchequer of e land, and assured the House that he served without any emolument, ithhough it had been represented by the Remendriancer that he had received corn petoottisti. Mr. Timmy explained. . Mr. % itraltame said, he would withditiw his Resolution, Kiel 'Ace an opportunity of bringing it forward its the (louse next week. The Resolution was then carried without a di vis;ols. Mr. MARTIN. then moved, that the Committee should rise anti the Chairman report progress, and tok lease to sit again Oil Thursday. • 'Fite Meleee retitned and leave was granted. The oilwr rodeos ii the elsy were then disposed of. , —Adjourned at %IMO: O'cLott. .. V