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- 7" - 77 • eitheir metiteriens conduct. The Noille Baron esucluded by expressing a necessity for Par tiameut reconsidering the act of the 44th Geo. 111. abort which every man must admit there was coubidera- Me ground for doubt, and yet such was its impore• twee, it was of the last moment, that every pot aibie doubt should hr completely removed. The House proceeded to the other Orders of the a v , and the 4tiesloo a.. disposed of accordingly. ILEVENUE LAW BMA. Up. the =mum of Lord Gnaw rtr.r,a, it was ordered. that all the Lordi be of the Committee on this bill. The remaining Orders of the Day were then die- Posed of, and the House adjourned. MOUSY OF COMMONS. The etyma teadiag of the Blarkfriers' Tull Bill eat post pooled to Tuesday seat. A Perms from the Odes of the Chief Secretary of island, resealed as soeo.at of the tOIPIWIIII moon gramma to cus tom-Hume °Seem, la eforegoeuee of the abolitiou of feer. Ordain is Aie as-the table. SMITHFIELD-MARKET. Bir Cumin-as Pam. mowed the Order of the Day for the second reeding of the Smithfield Markst NIL He stated, that the Corporation of London, bad, after much deliberation, conceived that the removal of the market would be the most service. able mode that could be adopted with respect to it. • A good situation had been found, where no ins 011- 'entente could attach to any person. The circum stance of driving the cattle through the streets iu their way to the market woul•I be completely done away with by the operation eta clause which eppeared is the Bill to that effect. Ha concluded will, ex pressme his great desire that the House would con cur in the adoption of the measures Mr. Comas opposed the bill. upon the grounds • of its being a breach of the Charter of the City ul London. He represented the serious mischief and • inconvenience that must result to the neighbour . hood of Smithfield. and to all others whose eubsitt eillea depended upon the market, and who, if the easitet was removed, would be reduced to dis tress and indigence. The new situation was's. a • great distance front those whose interest it was to . attend the inarLet ; and, of course, would, upon that selioary ground. be extremely uliectionable.— Mr. Combo then moved an Assortment, .. That . the coosidemtioU of the Bill be postponed to this day six moatha.•' Mr. Russ said, •that if the present market was see extended to an area of twelve afresh it could sot poa.ibly mower the purposes fur which it had beast instituted—the very narrow limits of the mar ket prevented many from sending their cattle to it. He had a *iron impressioa that if the Bill was Dent to a Committee, it would. span due coaideratioa, be seen that the removal of the market would be meet necessery. Mr. MSPIIIIT MARTIN contended. that if the Bill was seat to aCommittee, nothing could be seei, iu et that would impress the necessity of according with the measure of removing the market. It lied been mid that a clause in the Bill would precast the pasting of cattle through the streets; but it was absurd to think of stopping the progress of an • overgrown ex, by holding up an Act of Pauli ingest • to him. Mr. Wits itaroace said, that. after much trouble • and toiletry. • a place had been found, to which lie conceived it proper to reinsert the market ;--the grimed was much cheaper than that which the pre sent market occie s tiesi ; end the advassteges de rivable from such removal, were, in his opinion, very atheism., and eery durable. Ilelooked upon this as a pubic olyer•t to whiei should be g wen great attention. The injury which the animals susta,ued at the present market were so numerous and serious. that the owners of many. no longer ototinued to expose them to such treatment.--Ile . prevent each injuries to the animals was en object set only desirable for the sake of the beast, but of the Man. As to any objection to the place whicii had beta proposed, it would be most uureasonable to snake it. The system of objecting to situsitiou was what checked a great many most valuable undertakings; that of the Penitentiary lie instanced as oust which had wet with most violent disapprobati o n, but set , after its election it was found that mote etiter mulct be possibly better adapted to the purpose fir which it was instituted. He then hoped that the House would concur in the proposal to refer the 801 l to a Committee. Mr. Luso!' Race mid, that he had been eternally assailed with complamts of the inconvemencies at • tendeut upon the present market ; the whole county were unaimuntis in their disapprobation of its; cud the subject of their complaint was our, which produced abundant cause fur demonise dis satisfaction—the want of .onus fur the thspley of the beasts was. an irresistible proof of the Made. • gluey of the prevent market to answer the purposes of its original institution ; the thoroughfare was so much obstructed by carts and chaises, Site. that all possibility of exhibiting the cattle was p ted, sad if an effort was made for that purpose, guest danger world be incurred. There had lately been an iustanee of the hazard resulting from tia attempt to exhibit cattle in so contracted t place, -the beast driven forward far exhibition, was, by run ning 'tipsiest one of the usual obstacles, killed on the spot, to the owner's very serious loss. The sup- • ply 'lsf beasts had been, within the last three years, much increased, and. consequently, the errs upon which they were to be displayed, should be increased in proportion. He would not say any thing us to the eligibility of the proposed situation. hut the M assie of the present market would create a heavy toll. sad occasion incalculable expense. Mr. SHIROu objected to the removal of the mar ket; aad represented, that a penalty inflicted fu► driving cattle through the streets to the market, • would be a speci,•s of usury. Mr. JACOB acquiesced os die proposal, that the bill should be referred to a Ceminirset.. Sir Janus SNOW said, that hr had last year voted fee the removal of the market. under the ides that there existed no possible alternative ; but lie had sinew altered his sentiments., and uvron very strung grounds. Since loot &wean, th• city had purchaird gieund et theme* and south .•muds of the market, to the extent pea► four acres. such addition to the present adirkei, would b► ample. and would rc medf all thi ineenveniencies comploreil of. with reap-et to the exreut. lie found that toe iohabit eats of t h e smighbeiirhoodl of Smithfield had sent us a petiuen agrbot the removal of the market, et:- presenting the toischirro to which they would be exPused, if it would lit a measure acceded to. A most respectably body of butchers had also pest- Hosted to the same effect. lt had been complained that the present market was a nuisance, but it should be considered, that it wee a nuisance which those iu the neighbourhood of Smithfield were un willing to be dep. ived of; and which those at the proposed situation were-extremely averse from be ing burdened with. Uuder these circumstances, he would concur in the amendment of his Hon. Colleague, (Mr. Combo.) Mr. W. SMITH agreed in the proposition, that the Bill should be referred to a Committee ; the present market was in a situation, which, of all others, was the most ineligible. Supposing that it was put iu hypothesis, that the great city of Lon don was to be raised anew, and thst it had been proposed 40 raise the market is the present sit ssa• non, the man who would advise such a thing aould be considered as irrational, and the proposal rejected, as ridiculous and absurd. After some observations from Mr. HAWKINS liatiWNg, who agreed to the amendment. the House divided, when there appeared Fur the AraciadaWat ..R7 Agaiiiat it 70 The Bill was thrown out by a majority of 17. Mr. DAVIES GIDDY moved fur leave to brim; in a Bill fur regu`atiig'the mode of allowing the re counts of the overseers and church-wardens of the Ivor rates, by Justices of the Peace. Leare given. Mr. Roast (Dowd. "That a Committee be ap pointed to take into consideration the exportation of the produce of Guadeloupe." Agreed to. CENSI , RE OF THE HOARD OF ORDNANCE. Mr. Cs rcitsre said, he would wave one of the motions which he intended to submit to the House. He could at present Moline niniseli to that respect ing the securities of Mr. Hunt ; cad, on Mouday. in consequence of the view he had taken of the circumstances 'bending that Gentleman's con duct, inOke his expulsion from that House. With respect to the case under the present consideration, what he had to say lay within a very narrow com pass. The principles were so obvious. and co re coguised, that there could be no possible negative to his proposition. The ease related to a Board which had been guilty of a cioleut omission of duty, by which the public lost ten thousairi pounds. There was no excuse, no palliation for this wilful breach of dety.• When Mr. Hoot entered upon his second treasurership, it appeared that no secu rity had beep given for h•in to the moment at which he had sheconded with the public money, to the amount of 93,2241. ; it was imitecessary to met). tioa what be supported was most generally under weed, that that Master-Genend ought to have had such securities as were deemed necessary by the Treasurer. He wool relate to the House the steps which had been taken by the Board. with respect to those securities, so uccetsury to he demanded. There was ou the table a letter loon Mr. Crewe, the Secre. ley of the Ordnance Board, to Mr. Hunt, requiring his securities. dated July 27, 1807. This letter was written under the direction of that Board. and it apjwared that no answer was returoed ; sad it was evident that no further method* of attaining such securities were ever adopted. This conduct he locked upon is a mast gross neglect of duty, and ju.tly deserving the reprehemiiiiii of the House; censure must be passed snots it, awl ito alternative existed. It would be cations to hear ally Gen tleaiiiii on the opposite side attempt a defence or jostification, ass such an effort would not only be ingenious. but laughable. What could be said in inttigatioo of a disgraceful punishment upon those violators of public duty'? It wee well known that the. Officers of the 01.4;V:sive were highly paid, were superabunda.itly compensated for their la bours, and there was no pressor", of Int•iness to countenance such a system of iieglect. %Vino he had stated were u•wientradicteit &aid uncontrolict able facts. He cum:toiled by moving the ful:owiug lot. Reslolved--That it appears I. this House that Joseph Hest, Fan. Member of the, Moose, has Irma twice Tres. surer of Hie Majesty's Board of ordissoce ; that he was nearly eighteen etawlha in tint office, on his first appoint meat is mini, before any security ass obtained; sad on his second sptioistment. is 1497, it is sot recunled iu the Ordnance Deparhsteut that any recto ity whatsoever was 'vett by his. •d. That it appears to this (louse, there is a balestre of 93, *I. against the said Joseph Haut, Esi. as late Treasurer of I to Ordnance. ad. That it appears to this HMIS', the Master-General of His 3tijesty's firituatice is directed in the orixioul in set retie's* of king Charles the Seemed, under which be sod the Sunni now set, to take fruns the Treasurer, upon his First menace ise the execution of his place, security to such as Raman' as he easy judge acces s ary, s ad as shall be ap posed of try the Treasury. 4th. That it awing to this House, the security taken in the Ant 'Lessor, rship ofJosepls limit, Esq nearly righters Months after his (virtue& as the exectitios of his place, was 10,0001. Mb. That it appears to this House uo security was takes ou the lemma! appointment of ' , Meal Haut, Esq. 6th. That it is the opanion of this House ' the Master- Gesseral of the Board of Ordamice aas bee n gushy of s hermit of the instructions under which they act, soul by which they Insight to be fumed, is neglecting to take Inca. city from Josrph Haat, Esq. Membrr of this House ; and is respoosible sad censurable fur ibis otaismon of duty, which, from the slate of the balances optima the said Joseph Hoot, Esq. has occasioned a Isms of to,uoul. to the . _ _ Mr. Amstar Cooren could not think the Ord nance Board by any means deserving of the cen sure of that House. in all Boards where public business was carried on, it was impassible that those who had the weight of the collective business of the nation should be responsible for the conduct of en individual, or for any oversight wish respect to a particular person. He remembered, that, about three years ago, a letter had beets sent to a Board, relative to the compensation of some officer, stating that a larger sum had been given than had been de - creed. The mistake originated with the Secr.tary, and the Board were by no means amenable fur the mistake, whether it arose from neglect or wilful ness. '1 his was a case to point ; the Secretary to the Board of Ordnance was here the censurable titan. There had never beet, any charge made against the honour or in.tgrity nt that Board ; it had never hero said Lh.tt ail loss lint hro•.*.as. tained by the public n, earn.. l uence of the want of those qualities which flourisoed at the pres"ilt pe riod with as winch vi-4.mr as before. lb; then moved for leave tip bring 1.1 a 1.;11 to prevent errors with respect to seen:it" s 1.0 is log rens a 1 ; 4•N40s Dv t •:it itevur fist prix• 1.1:11J WilAt . 1 t lcll frpal the man (Mr. A. Coopei); what lie had inentiouea, as in hi* own opinion tending to aeon' the Board of any charge, was what militated most strongly against it. The lion. Gentleman lied also entle.i roared to remedy the public loss and grievance, Ly the introduction of a bin. Ile (Mr. P.) had no personal motive for offering any observations upon the present occasion; he bad no private autipathies to any prisons concerned in that department. Ile looked upon the Secretary as certainly blameable; but he considered that the Beard Was vastly more culpable. Ile conceived the present a muesli very material. and if the llou•e would pass over such a wilful dereliction of duty as that a lih:h had been represented, and not censure tor such a conduct, it might relinquish all claims to dignity and jus tice. The CH4NCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, it VIM strange that censure Or so severe ti nature I should be levelled at the Board of Ordnance.— They were certainly in a dev,ree reprehensible ; but it appeared to him, that, on the present occasion, the person upon whom the heavy immure of the House should 141, was the Clerk. As mo the loss stated to have been suetained by the public, in coo. sequence of the omission of the Board, there had been some misrepresentation ; 10,0001. was the amount at which it was ascertained; but when it was considered, phut the principal was, in such cases, to have • been bound in .10001. and the two collateral. in 2500 each, it must appear evilleut, that the loss sustained to the public, was but half the money. The Board had directed their Se cretary to apply to Mr. liuut for hit •securitits, and it would be rather anoincomistent expectation, that they should follow up all tho orders they issued.—They were certainly in strictness bound to go into the detail of the particular circumstarices of their orders; but if they attended to such mica- ' tier, their wpplicatiom to any thing else would be impracticable. The Board, then, were not so high. ly culpable; and, if they overlooked such outis , ion in their Secretary, their implicit dependence upon • man who had served them with zeal sod fidelity, might well he excused. He concluded, be saying, that the bill which his Hon. Friend (.11r. keooper) had moved to bring in, would etlictually prevent the recurrence of this evil. Mr. filAamass could not conceive that any blame was isiipistiible to the Secretary, The House was not to consider upon whom censure was to till ; they were only to look to the act which was committed, and ascertain whether that act ought to be animad verted upon. Was it not absurd to bring iu a bill to ctunpel every public officer to do a duty, which, he knew, previous to his entrance into offices to be straggly imposed upon hits, and the performance of which he was to consider the article of his en gsgemeut. The censure which had theca proposed for misconduct sogrussaud glaring, he considered as too lenient. Mr. Waleson AD suit], he would only make one observation. Much had been ►aid about the duties of the Ordnance Board, as of peculiar severity, conflating theist to most incessant application ; so much so. that they could not attend to the =lauds of their business. To his kriowledge that Board sat but three days in the week, and during those periods of relaxation from indolence, they laboured wirier much oppression of fatigue. It was thrSecre tary's business to silt hefire the Board the account of the orders issued by their command, and the at tention to or neglect of those orders; the Secretary hail done so, he had in no one particular abandoned bis duty, and yet Mr. Crewe, the Secretary. was blamed at the cause of those mischiefs; bat such subterfuge seas the one generally resorted to under such circumstances. But as to the neglect; there was no Master-General for a month. Now. if the Board could go on fur a month without the assist. ance of t h at Supernuitierory Officer, could not he be rulployed in inspecting their orders ? It had b eim 111 l * r ei t that it was better to guard against the occurience of such an evil, by bringing in a Bill. than by punishing the authors of it. lie Wig of It different opi ll ill it, for he looked upon punishment as the very In•at mode of argument, It must be considered that the lion. Gentleman, aho proposed this encouragement to idleness und indo lence, was himself one of that Board, fur which lie hail felt so much compassion. lie submitted to the modesty of that /louse, whethe► inch a beha viour, with respect to that Board, should be adopted ? Mr. 61601112 R iOIINSTON6 proposed an amend ment to the sixth " That it is the opinion of ibis House, the Mastre•Gene ral, and the Board of Ordnance, hose Weil sudsy of an oasis. use of duty, in siegkrliiiit to tam security from Joseph Musa. Esq. Measlier of this Masse, glad late Treasurer ofthe Ordnance, in conformity to the instructions under *IWO they act." Mr. Ca tcusrr ha hrurtl touch of the irrepon sibility of the Board, isi•on the present occati.nii.— But for what did the politic give it immense salsifies, and erect fur them stately palaces?—weer they to sit idle and neglect those duties whi h they were bound to observe with strictness ?—asid we,e they not to be responsible to that public for the consequelie:ls of the violstimi 'Athos, duties ? Mr. Ctewe,.the Secretary, was u most respectable indi vidual, and by no means unobservant of his duties; it was Memo and unmanly to cast the °diem upon him, from a holy who had ro obviously broken through theirengagetnent,and who shoo Id have mark every inquiry into the circumstance relative to the s curities. It had been said that the amount of the loss wait not so great as had bean represented. He (Mr. Calcraft) was well assured, that the loss hail heels by no means exaggerated. The Hight Hon. Gentle inan (Mr. Perceval) had said, that 5.000 1 . was the loss sustained in consequence of the omis sion respecting the securities, as the ,iriticipal suss to have been bound in 5,0001. and, of c,ursr, the securities were the only persons upon shoos a de mood could be made. But this lie (Mr. Calculi) dewed. as the security of the ',flotilla' WIE4 to hone been grounded upon property which *mild lir answerable for his defection in the sum (45000% amid would b- jest as good a mark as the coltatrr.il securities. But lie thought the slim of t 0,0001., nay, of ten shillings, WO math to 1w lust Pus the upon such an occasion as the present. But the limit. Gentleman iipplixte (Mr. A. Coop-r) to get h r with his colleagues, ought to be halite the oto.toy of wheel, the 'told's . , by their tiegker• had liven deli S.r Thunnei Tri,4l4e, he 1t0..w to lc• an bo . .nnrable luau, and MSc u t •0 Wknn he dhd not east any peculiar blanit. lir, the ordnan however. joi ce.ned him in the g enera l mature upo, The first Resolution was then put and carried without a ditielon. Upon the second Iwing put Mr. ASHLEY COOPER said, that he conll n o longer conceal what be conceited would irnd validate the Ron. Gentleman's argument. the present sulyect, al least it would the will which, lie had co,iceiverl, his assertion, v.cr. accompanied. The Hon. Gentfern.o Inatk,n, when he alas in the situation to *lnch he Lei often adverted, acted in a manner, at lest 1111141, ai that a hich he had so viokutl) when Mr. Ridge, a man thstrugh %those 11, ; „ ; , manually passed the sum of 97,00401.. slund,l given Ott securities, there ;vast no ofsligantio a Nal to do 60, Lei:muse there had been uo appt,,, win made to hies to that effect. Mr. CA LeltArt said, he would he much otil.gri by any unms's bringing against h um a clnirg.. of neglect, if any owl) could he proved i hi.ll: it was three ) ears since he had tilled the to tuttioi; alluded to, and if such an omission 1 nul l ed, he was certainly culpable ; but he ss , uieol House that lie was totally santiviinated oh citi l tittle of the circumstance which had been ju.l airs. booed; but ties, if such a thing bad that surely was no excuse for his (.11.. A.Cuopteq conduct, and that of his colleaguis. ,Ir. C. ADAM noticed the impropo ire ) . et dna. ing that by rtcriolinatiou any tleici.cc tit the pr a seut charge t Quid be set up. The CH IsceLLoa of the Esonnecta thf.smhd the nt ervation hi, I 100. Fnend (Mr. A. Cooper) as fair aad natural. The lion. Cesolisnait cppo site (Mr. Caleraf ). had pressed upon his Hurt. Friend, as Clerk of the Ordaauce, the *NM. b., u ,, e *luny mistake that took place, and his Hon. Ineull had stated an error of his own, not as a dekoce. bat such as might induce the Hort. Gentleman to kook with a railder rye on others. when he lotted that even all his own perfection could sot wee him from error. This was no set off; our aas it %tried as such ; hut it certainly was • good argument let the paabing of an Act. to prevent luture inconvehi rot es. Mr. Porrsoweir said, that whatever effert the remark of the Hon. Gentlemen (Mr. A. Ceep. r ) iniglit have on his Hun. Friend (Mr. tahnli), had none on him; and he trusted it avoid lure none on the Howe.—After all, it cline o:.1r to this, that one neglect could nut justify siteiher. There appeared p very wisteria' distinetinisbetsse u the two ca,es : 1. An agent was appoiethl, aot by the Board, but by the hlaster.Genaral. t. Th ere was no 'minute of it before the Board. 3. The is atrocious under which the Board rend, did ant go to Agents. There was also a great &Hernia between a subordinate Officer, and a Treasurer— the one passing 100,0001. a-year, and the other passing millions through his hands. Iles•des, there were no circuisistances,lielonging to tt.e case stated ; uud at beat, it was only a recrimination, not a fillkilo44—(Hear, hear.)-11 his kiwi. Fnend ass criminal, the Gentleman oppnaite ought sot to have noticed it in this way.—lle ought to have brought the matter before the Hottae.—lf he did GO, he (Mr. P.), was the time proved, would then vote a censure on his Hon. Friend, as he would do on the proven case, cow before the Mr. C•I.CRArT'S itd, 3d, 4th, and sth renditions were then put and carried. • Os putting the 6th, Mr. G. Jonnwroxt's amend ment we. sulori ituted and carried without • &mum. Mr. CALCRA FT t.aid, that, having now come to a 'decision, that the Board of Ordnance had been guilty of a neglect of their duty, he would propose s vote of censure on them for that neglect. 'fo this he thought uo one could oldect ; and howsver in consistent the conduct of theChaticel'or of the Ex chequer had been, io first defending the Ilmrd,and then allowitig such a resolution to pass, he thanked him for his vote. He defrauded his public conduct flout charge, and complained of bang treated by vise he called his friend, who could Ming such a charge egainst him, haul in his pocket, to be used as no saw oreasaoa. lie cow-lard, by moving a resolution of censure on the Board. Mr. G. Jun wwroac felt himself hound to oppose :Ins. I n wh is t th e Howe had already dour, they had expressed a censure, and thus gone as far “s the ruse required. Hr tuiw saw that three errors were more common than he at first supposed, nod therelore a bill mar more net-else:try. In his opinion. piorMing for the future a•us of much more COM' que•tce than censuring the past: and, lie united, when a bill was passed, the amountof the set-nous would be more proportionate to the amount of t!.e trust. In doing this, the House would do till that the dispassionate part of the public required of them, who were much better o,lmm! to see g of legislative measures, than the success ot psi ty Mr. WHITBREAD expected no lew of It, Hr.'• Gentleman's *illusory, than that. alter hart';; dragged Ina friends into a slough, hr unisldlrob them a shoulder to push duns net o f it again. Tie case of his tams. Flieud. (Nllr. CaLcraft;, and 0 " now before them. even on the fate ..f them. wv" by no means parallel; and his Mc. Friend rightly challenged the Gent!einem up{-mite to but.; their charge turoartl. If they did out do se, h, would think they had tint a leg to stout upon. Ile was somewhat surprised at the argument of t•'. Hon. tienthquan. who because tt are *seer I" cases intend of one, ti Ott "I" to vole a yettssire on ri lue,,fs.•o l -"'- flisi(ra.)—Ti.ty, th,.t. 1/11 toe , they would Cellll4Ore the toss:ince 1 - ."" t h esi s , awl the oilier UM, %hell it ott• Lrtol forayed. and the oil; lice piott-il. Ile void not conceive it possible that any olicr mato could be adopted. It entail toot be taleisn.l. that after a breach of shay 11111% 1114.1', be 1111 mark of di,,,probei,„,, even be /1 lubjerists suit 111.111.4 w tiain tfes weer at forearm. As for an act for the littler it o ff no .eeurity, out the best security tl.r, for the Mue to tutor wab to punt-ii i,«-1 11 1 " . queney. The CHANCELLOR of the ENCISIQUE)i hiifnr:nrr ata (•;!ieute, lle heist tl e Leads ..f • 110. rd, in btriet....bs, to ft" sia cY. the r 1,1 .we Iteloywo•fl sit the In sli•• is lie thinulit it 1.. i er it ils.• logroinn, than 1 ,0 • 1 " 1 ' • Ile i 8. " Ll ' ;••:s• JO.l. Wait 1, 11:u :ad central it. 11 that th from ( state o ►e mu' could said ri with rl •nc in 'RC at Gove ni As frr from th Spuht tuolis • Su Ear I 110 50011 an ilte his Ice, After th toqrt• t I e i on e, Tio lii4lll al vented t; liii owners •hicll i Put me 4•. w ove 'to the ". tie co that t ,„ 11 * 444 e lifOt it lcori IKMI The t, 1 , 44c1 whit .I‘e I !klf.10; •" 411,11 listed goasii for 1.1 yti Ai 31r umlei crisis prose celiso hran from Hem to ht 1304.4 thr t to In forth f:try infitr rd of Hod. t%e7. ',I 111,i Thi •hid Sir lac WC Corm Mr. hot arx Sir 1)14 111 , moult-