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. ~_ , DUNN iiillitgetad. Titus, ha understood. was in cosmonaut:a of a right ithisseel by Moabite .of towns claiming a right of givieg in lists fur those towns respecuvely, in the brat imitate*. knew of uo such right, he wished to have the Speaker's opintiou ou the practice ; cud that the point might be settled. For this purpose, he moved for leers to brim- to a Bill fur the purity's of reztifyieg the toietakc in the Act of the last Seances, by striktiq out sugar 'lames, cud sulati toting others iu the hat of Cieninissioners. The SIPS:ALIA uhiierse.l, the rule was, thet Kuights of the Shire. and all others, were to give iu list.; and he wsc inforineil the practice was, for Members for teem*, within the cosuues, to give in hot* for their respective town.. The lists so given iii, were not privets; sod. he couceived, that on the day fur Sually arranging them, it was contor tion fur coy 31eisiber - us have any error corrected that might have crept in. Ntr. kiwiltvette said. that wheie Members for enmities, and Close fur wants, did lint compare titeir li.h;„ it was stay for mirtaltes to time, either by omissions or the repetition of names too ur three tii nes over. lie Nugttesteil the propriety of waiting till the re.„lohir tittle of bringiii.: in the Hill fur the L when a reinetly he proistleil. slid, his abject %se!. to correct the eril at pre," in existence.—Leave was given to being iii the Itdl.• THANKS OF THE _poripf . The SPlCAlielt satin-toed .141eir.liefieratt Fer o.uit, stow-ling in his place. 0113 41111111 g the ether pnvmlegea enjoyed by thiSe t io'wes of that limise, that they rui4ht not only their country by their COUIEWI4 there. but also'intribute to her prosperity by their exertions in the 6.44; owl when they returned to that House, it contemplated with satisfaction those. wll4ll hind (huge their duty. Th e hopes end expectations they had tbrinctl of the *Maud General lied not been disappomted by les conduct iii the battles of•the 17th and 2ntli of Au:test, id Portegale and the thank{ he received were not only great tis • resod fur the past, this were intended as a mark and token of their future expertatious. He then thanked the ! pillion Ge neral in the Able antrum behalf of the Cu 11111 l on. of the Uoitdl linigiloto, foe his ineriunious ser vices ou the above timaistoos. Major-Useptral FiAuusetti then returned his tit:mike* tbelsouour conferied on lOUS. which he enosedeetA et the higlewsi i ileet could be bestowed. flu wave** they had overstated. as they were fa. thee treeingb the men he had the good fortune to lead, end - the General who had commanded with such credit to himself sod ode:lutist to his coun try. He wital. that the manner in which those Chukka were conveyed. served to willow:41 the value of the favour. The address and answer were onlen:d to be en. tetrad on the Minutes of the House. Iltlall Sir ARTIII.7II moved for leave to bring in a Bill for 13Mroatidating into Out, mud amending the several laws fur raising and avant taining the Militia in Ireland. llis Lordship stated; that since the tint establishment of the Militia in that country, several laws had been .41c. eessively made to correct evils as they arose, by which mons contradiction. had crept in ; to correti there. to unbend the oath to be taken, the mode of ballot. &v. wee the (Arita of tlie intender! Bill. Leave was givens atol a Committee appointol to prepare sod bring in the same. EIPWITtW • Earl Trtirs.t.t snored, o That an bumble ad dress be presented to llis hlujest;i, prayiiig lie would be graciously pleased to order to be laid li e . fore that {louse. returns of the number of oiSceni. rank and tile; hail been sent tioni Great Britain. Ireland, end Gibraltar, to Portugal amid Spain during ttius , ; and of the number that had been relasided, trot disabled front service; a like return of the cavalry sent during that Wine pedal; also a like return of artillery. aaggosis, drivers, tarriales, horses, he; also a like return of dee general stall, and the expatiate attending the NNW ; also a like retorts of the nuinber of tnelliparts employed on that re" ice, with the arasent of their tonnage and freight; also the sateient of the sums of taciney. stores, he. trans gressed so the like occasion. and where the Nine keel been received, and also the letters re. seined en the subject . • oleo an aveou on of the 111111114Stilr the *WIN rais ed in this country by way of hos, for the like service, and %hid. were secur ed on the faith of this couutrs." Mr. tinsatssom stated he knew of no money raised by way of loan, but there certaith be money trattionitttd. ;ad bills suffered to be drawn on elite vonotry, mid shore Was no objection to that at eon lit. . . 'notion was worded scuording/y. And lastly au act-omit of the amount of the store., and snowy lost or takes bb the enemy during the late cam paign. Mr. Ilusittisuw was happy to hire it in his power to state, that the lip of moistly vow much less than bad been visor:SW believed; not snore than SO or 40,00 M. or even less. The severdl suotsour were a d ored to. Mr. TAYLOR moved, Thal a n h u mble Add ress Le presented to Ilis Olitiady, proving br would be %gactously pleased to order that there be laid before the house copies of the instructions swat to our (:osnonasiders in Spain, together with their answers thereto, or such parts thereof as would not be at traded with isiconvessiesice tb the public, during the year ISoS." Ordered. IRISH SEcREVAny. Mr. WHITBREAD Mr to make his promised mo tion en this subject. In sullehorting the few obser vations hr had to offer to 114 !louse, he should be very brief, because it appeared to hint that the proposition lie wa. about to state, was one so clear, that it could not be denied ; but it seemed to loin Out a very extruiortlinary occurrence had taken Owe, both in England and Ireland. In the one aise, the Chief Secretary for Ireland was found tightiiig the battles of his country shroud, and the Under Secretary of State here, ((hurrah Strwarl was io the.auaorredicament; anti while their official services required the utmost activity, they were both of them wilfully Riviera. He had asked yurttnns on this wh j eet luehfue the actor° of these gallant officers, and lie hod then twos told that the salary of the Fader Secretary lead ceased daring his absence. Ile hod therefore nothing to %ay uu that hard. He assured t h e House, he meant no attach whatever, wooden,, on the gallant de uurel, Sir A. Wellesley ; he believed he purseseed every quality that could adorn the soldier; lee he. fiend, also, be was equally fitted fur the oilier of Chief Secretary fur Ireland, as he had shewu every attention to the duties of his office, even when his mud was occupied by the pre-vete of going abroad but it wee utterly impossible that while he was thus engaged its dor field he could diseharee his duty in Dublin ; and he did hot elbllblllee the conduct oldie Noble Dule at the head of affairs there isms/epee in leaving hin► in posaemion of the situate s% Ile might appeal to the !Speaker lihn bele on the stature both of the profit& and the de fies of the Chief Secretary for Ireland. as he bad formerly been at much ;nun* in tweed g thirst'. The emolument* were coneiderable, hot not mere then they ought to be ; hut if there were no duty pectinated, there eltooild be no money part. Nig gardly remuneration he rousidered a petty saviug, but a liberal public should have litsetel services. 'lle Bight Honourable Gentleintua had aid belied left it to the Duke to appoint it successor, if it should be found necessary ; but where the no. settled state of Ireland required the meet vigilant attendance, in a situation which united in it both the civil and military duties. it steely was not too much to etrect, that one should be on the spot. It was tint right to roil Is.. courses at ionce.-e-Ile wondered the Right Ike ttttt noble Grstletnatt's own principles del not make Into resign wheu lie went uu lies lint expedition to Zealand ; irerhups he did so, but it was tiot accepted, ite his absence oil tied osecaiton might reasouably be expected tint to ex ceed three urea.) or a month. But when he carue home, and found no other had beets uppoilited its his room, it was astonishing he costal thine of en gaging its another expedite], the ter tttttt ation of which could neither be expected nor hoped to be speedy, without first resiguing a situation so Oh* COMPOtIllle• Ile was told the will:int General had tint received his p.ty tar his staf f ; thus would fir the sante, whether lie continued in his place of Se cretary or not. Ile had beeu also told. he was nut the richer by the sautition ; he verily bele:toil that was the cube ; few are rinicheil in the mil by the emolument,. of &Eve ; Ina that wow uo mister.— Noble minds looked for Mike for the sake of eery iitg their country, net to waste their tune in show and idleness. lie should not butt said so much, if he bud not been retrained the other night in utak lug a few übservidions, its the hope of preventieg the repetition of the evil; and lie !mind his mo tion, if agreed to. would have the e•ti:et of put ting a stop to the practice of holding ushers, where no duty was to he periertneel. He con eluded with moving, " That the oilier of Chief Secretary in Ireland is on elficieet office, and ought itot to be held by vile who is au absentee from the realm ; end that the salary thereof siuntld nut be paid to such absentee." Sir AIITIRIA WLI.I.LSLEY repressed his concern that the Hon. %It:tuber had been in'errupted the former night; and begged leave to repeat what he had then said, a, it had heeu halite to inisrepre. beutution. When he watt first appeiuted to the office of Chief Secretary in Irelatel, he wade it clearly to be itoderetuotl. that he OH, un't to he pre eluded fruut puneting his utilitery caw. t., mei, ate eordingly, he tear eutpioyed its the Expedite)* to Zeulterl ; sod, upon Itis - returte resumed the dot tier of cis office. Upon hie departute the ;mend time, he expressly relinquished all claim- to hie con. tiuuance in office; but he was retained. in it by the kindness and partiality of the Dotke---iiilliaps from the hope of being able to milder esseiwial service in the satiation. The motion appeared to go merely to resider the °thee au efficient one ; but he must observe, that the before they WOOD then vote in favour of it, would do well to esquire whether the duties of it had, in Net, been stegleet ed or not. Upon that head lie could confidently upped' to the Gentlemen of Irelanil—he 'Melte re. fer also to the records of that lionise. Cutler Owlet circumstances, then. he might appeal to tf•e Hots. Gentleman himself, whether he would pets - pit in pressing his motion But be the• event of it what it may, he could assure theta. he would take lOW* not to place kiiineelf in the some %element in future. The office irf Chief Secretary in helium' differed from that of a Secretary of Stsite, in that there wits not the same responsibility uthiched to it ; and the salary was attached to it fur the purpose of main taining the situation. When he teas ahem; to eons bark, there was •a chance whether he might not re turn, and lie therefored;ol.... not put down 111* (44. blithineut : but if he were nut to enjoy the eatery, he wtould not have contiatoll the e‘p ense. lie de clared he would rather be (kw.' o the entire salar, than that this discussion sh beer take', place ; but at the manic titre he could nut thiiik of returanng it, lest he might thereby seem to have endeavoured to evade it, however impleasaatt to his feeling. The General then withdrew frenu the _ . Mr. PERCEVAL confirmed the statement of this Bight Honourable Baronet. that it was clearly uuderstood, at the time of his appointment. that whenever any inconvenience should Ise found to arise from has absence, his place should be tilled ; but it was emistilered as st desirable for the public service tore-min him in the situation if pos sible ; and the 'writs! when .ugh necessity of tilling up his place existed, not haring arrived, they were happy at his return to his former situation. The gentlemen of Ireland %mild, he was tonfident, bear testimony, that the office had never been more ably conducted thin in the hands of the Right Honourable Baronet. Steer, then, noinconventenee whatever had been stated as having resulted from it, he considered the motion as wholly it 00000 vesary. and he therefore moved the previous question. Lord lIILNItIr PETTV declared he did nut ancti der the explanation given as at all satisfactory. There was 110 imputation against the Bight Hon. Bar .t, its of having tiny desire of holdisig both si tuations; but the cliar4e was, flint while he was elsewhere employed, there Ina been 110 person appointed to surceed him. His Lordship con fessed. lie slid nut expect to bear a defence rested on the gr4Pati4l of no inconvenience loving been experienced. If Ministers were to withdraw the entire garrison of Gibraltar, anil leave that isnportant formes to be defended by a contritely of invalids, would they, if called to iscrount for such conduct, defend them selves by saying. t h at nu inconvenient:ol4d follow. ed. as the place lied not been takes in the interrel'? When his Lordship considered the disturbances that existed in Ireland, and that the Under Secre tary in that country had actually died during the sentence of the Right Roo Baronet, it creased to chew that the office itself was utineeessary, and should therefore be abolished. However, as they had received the assurance that such a measure shoal.' slot bike place in future, he made no doubt it would nut happen ognio. Lord esseLsweacar observed. that Gentlemen argued as if the holding two places at the same tune was a novel case. The Right lion. Baronet had expressly declared be would not suffer his appoint ment of Chief Secretary to be an obstacle to his military services, and uceordinptlti• insisted on going to Zealand; but be waisted at the same time to ar range the appointment of his successor. It was weft iknown a very heavy expense attended on the office of Chief Secretary, and that the loss would be heavy indeed in the interval of his: absence, if there acre no salary to he allowed. In the ease of the ruder Secretary of State here, there were no expenses attending it, and therefore it was he had disclaimed the salary. In the present case, his Lonlship was free to owo, he had, on the ground of policy, advised that SW appointment of w successor should take piece, while there existed u hope of the Right lion. Baronet's retiarning :o his station ; every Irishman knew that such a military mind as Ice was known to possess, wail necessary, in the pre sent period, for that situation. It was thus that a law Noble Lord (Cornwallis) whose virtues and talents would live in the memory of the country, hate held the office of Master• General of the Ord. nonce here, together with the situation of Lord Lieutenant of Ireland. Mr. Wieureaeao made a few observation, in reply. They were all ',greed as to the merits of the Hight Honouratile Baronet, and it was only as to the propriety of his holding two situatious at the Klima time that they differed. lie could not but still think, his remaining in office wrong, while he was in Zealand, but still more an when he went to Spain. whence his return could not be hoped to he speedy. From all that had been said, he con sidered the blame to rest with Ministers en Ireland : for if the eveount given be tree, there au* no hindrance there to the arrangement. made nt the time by the Right Honourable Baronet. But it was suid, that if any nicinivenietice had occurred, the appointment of a successor would have taken place ; but this would have been too late, idler the mischief had been dom. The ea-e cited of the 31arquis Coma Ohs, lie was free to continuo, and this sh e a c d the danger of the precedent. It was disagreeable to notice a transaction, when we re. vi red the parties ; but this was the very point that called for notice, that the precedent of 'estimable characters naught not be pleaded in favour of ortiskxs ones. It um true the Right Honour able Birmiet hiul taken time salary on uccomit of the expenses attending the situation, hut the propriety of his motion was proved by the promise given that there should be no repetition of the like conduct in future. If he had bees suffered to make a few observations the other night, the House would not have been troubled with the present mo t. ,us his only object was, by drawly the atten tion of the House, to prevent the repetition of the evil. The previous question was them put and tarried. Lord HENRY I 3 FTTY deferred kis motion from Friday tau Monday next, .as the neee.sary papers could not be produced before Thersilay. Mr. Ponsonair deferred his motion from Mon day to Thuridsy, as his Hon. Friend was to bring his forward on Monday. Mr. WittreitrA9 deferred .his :notion respecting America to the Monday following. Mr. %FARINA moved, That Messrs. Cumming, Stoker, Pierce, and Dowling, be ordered to 'Attend the Committee of the whole House, appointed to inquire into the conduct of the Duke of 'Fork ; as also that there be laid before them such papers as ere necessary to ascertain the dale and progress of the late Colonel French's levy, and the alterations that have taken place in it." MR. J EFFERY. _ _ Lord FOLlLlTOSilia;v:;lo;(irder of the Day, ' on the adjourned debate, relative to the issuing of a new writ for a Member fur Poole, in the !dace of Jeffery, Esq. 'sprinted Consul- General to the European dominions of Herf Most Faithful Majesty. Mr. BANKI:4 begged to trespass npon the Mosso for a t.w moments. The House could scarcely be surprised that lie felt some anxiety in a case, u which be thought the public exi.enditure was in SOME degree concerised ; he belonged to the Com mittee appointed to investigate that department, to which lie was not entrusted witliont eight or ten guardians of the Constitution. Experieuced per we's should be appointed to such sittiati iiii s as the one under present discussion, yet of late there were no less than five uppoilitinents of the kind, in which all the persons were entirely new to the si tuation; he thought it rather a singular cirrion stance, that with so large a list of persons retired from those situations, there should be untie of them appointed to any of those live new liken. There were, he could state, between 40 and 50 persons on the lest„ and above 50,0001. per year dedicated to the support of it ; there was u gentleman, a Mr. Villiers, lately impointed, to whom he had no other objec tion, than that this ii i ii elide was not obsened in his appoint's rat. He thought it the duty of Minis ters to lessen the list, by creating some of those contained in it to the places that became vacant, rather than by appoiuting new ours to increase the number of those persons who should have a claim. and would Income an expemie to the nation. Mr. CANNING mid, that the otsservats or the 11. m. Gentleman would require him to go consider ably into detail, and he was not prepared to ex pect them ; some general remarks, however, lie would snake, and lie hoped they would Ise of suf ficient weight to iiiIIII,IICO the determination of the House. He coos:dere/I that the acceptance of the office of Consid certainly created a vacaney. Vs ith respect to the appointment of Mr. Jeffery, he, (31r. Cusinit.g,) could hardly he siospecteil of living reread the office upon him ; it hid hes stipulated that Mr. Jeffery should receive a salary of 1,500!. per annum. The merchants and trader* thought it wise that Consols should receive fitted wilaries, and be prohibited from taming in truth, and this principle he was desirous to inti duce into ull Consulships. It had been stated, that four other foreign appointtenots bud tel.% pleat., and that they were not selected from those con tained in the Penriou List. Ile mid that thes e were no persollll re c eiving rinions as Secretaries of Legatiote lie hod never appointed may to deal°. matte situatioses merely a ith a view to proemial beeping; nor had he ever advised His Majesty to remove any individual, without reason assigned, ex cept in one sitigle nisei:ace, and that was the case of Lord Grenville Levestni ("owes, to succeed Mr. Douglas, at Petersliurgle Ilis lion. Frieud, lm was ul 'pillion, might see that circumstance* might create a necessity furdepu tang a pereouof greet rank to a fore* court. With respect to the propriety of selecting Consuls from the Pensiou List, he was persuaded that net mealy of them would he willing to give up their situations, which they cousidered they lied muted, for more active ones, mid that if they were applied to, many would refuse, lie was unwilling to egret, that the present race of diple. moist* should ewe ussity before the country cosilil avail itself of the talents of others adapted to the tinalt• Mr. HANKIES explained. He said that a Gentle man of the name of Gray received a 'minim' esSe cietary of Legation—be had 6001. a-veer ; awl Mr. *union, appointed in 407, he believed ues also peusioned. Mr. CANNING could undertake to state generally that the alike of Secretary of Legatioo wet nut entitled to a pension. Him Hon. Priced had quoted • ease which had *everted fusty years aeo; and if he would inquire lie would find, that the eensiou to which he alluded was received, not ru rel us Secretary of Legetioie but as Charge. d'Affaires. Mr. Watson, the otLer person mentioned, had lost property in the situation ; and he (Mr. C.) though he recommended him front motives ..f Immaintv, insisted all along, that as Consul he had iao claim upon the Goveremeilt. Mr. Koss believed the words of' the exception in the Act were e. persons who serve the Crowd es foreign parts;" and he submitted whether the pre sent ease were not included ? Mr. Ponsortav said, that the instillment a l e pointing Mr. Jeffery Consul to all Her Most faith ful 11Iatjesty's European dominions, allowed him a salary of .1,5001. a year, with orders to reside et Lisbon or elsewhere. There was very little pro. bubility that lie would reside at Lisbon, so that if he were ordered to any of tier Majesty's in do minions, lie would enjoy the winse salary as if en gaged in the important trunsactione of the Conti nent. Mr. CAwwttso explained. After sonic observatintisfroin Mr. MIERCIAINSig. • Mr. JOIINSON and Mr. flusetssoit, the question was put mud carried. The SOLICITOR-GENS.RAL moved, "That Co ined Loraine should attend the Committee of the whole House on Tuesday next." WAYS AND MEANS. The House, after resuming, resolved itself in a Committee of Ways mud Means, when tlfe follow leg Resolutions were ;agreed to, 4‘ That the sets ,nf 4s. per pound be raised upoa all venue:sus; that the several duties upon spgar, excise, tobacco auell snuff; should Lae continued to the 15th Munch, 1809 ; that the slim ell 10,500,0001. be raised by loan 'Toil Exchequer Bills; and also the sum of I,sjo,oool."—The Report was ordered to lie received to-morrow. The Committee of Supply was postponed to Friday next. Mr. Flusetssoe brought up an account of the revenues of the lsle of lin e. SITUTIA ENLISTMENT BILL. The question being putt, that the House Amnia resolve itself into a Cumuli:tee of the whole House, for the purpose of censidering the Militia Eulist ment Bill, Sir THOMAS TUnTOIII observed, that although they were pledged by the address to augment the force of the kingdom, we were riot precluded from tonasidering whet her such augmentation were 'acces sary. He stated the preseet disposable force to consist of 210,000 Men ; he therefore unified to know wherein consisted the neceerity of so large an addition as 144,000? He asked why any greater addition was deemed fleetest'!" than white was a tinting to the incomplete battalious ? The deli cleave under sal. i ch they laboured was represented at between eight aud eteM men. This, therefore, could act justify so great sin increase. Ile was as unxinus fee the cause tut' Spain as any man—but he could not help thinking there was little likeli• hood of our hoiug called to act upon the Continent . again. it bad been 'anted that we might be called to oppose the enemy abroad; but we ideal* had the militia ready whenever we wanted them amid, therefore, need not have recourse to the plosive* measure. lie could net agree to raising the ad nuul expense to such a degree. If the waste jut Spain did not exceed 4000 men, why vote e e lim e stud destroy the constitutional force of the country, From an opinion, therefore, that the necessity of • Mich an increase was not made oat, lie opposed go ing into a Committee. Mr. 1-11:USERT concurred iii mentimerat with the Honourable Baronet, mail was :Omit propositief": . • sonic umendinent to the plan of the Right Hnnour- • üble Secretary (Lord Castlereagh), when the SPE AIZSR informed him, that the House not being yet resolved into it Committee, his amendment could not he received ; after a few wends front Lord CASTLIMEAGIN, the Holley resolved itself into a Co eeeeeeeeee e and the Bill was read paragraph by peregraiili, end agreed to; the lionise then re sumed, and the Report was ordered to be broughe up on 'fisureduy. DISTILLERY BILL. The CIIANcELLun of the Ex( avoctu mown! the Order of the Huy foe the arcood readung of this Bill. On the motion being put— Sir JAMia HALL objected to the measure, is having a mischicinos tendency. which it would Se uire a long course of years to do own". Mr. Iltsef.ltT thought the measure had not had auks ieut tissue given it to profiler those bad etivets r mid it %reined, in general, net to be oppmed b • • large chow of the coasmtusity, altbovighdoey took alarm ut it last year. He, however, Meld not ap prove or exempting one port of the United King dom irons its operation, stud ulloeing it to continue in the other; and, therefore. he wished to know whether the fliAlit Hon. Gentkinoa opposite hod taken cm that exemption upon roundel of full in formation t It appearedocrfectly umiertints then !relent] c rereoue. He tiller* of k r ; sugar than th the same ther Mr. IFOSTI f 01 1,1,1 t o iris ' land. was, th enuntry, in cl than had IV our h o gshead object of the consuming t failed. and operation. I serially injuri Tlie moult, ; Ireland, and a dispos win Gown' forced. Wh r ter ipto ry l ut p: u ftir : tow: t i i: t ihie cehoy o ue. rt : e l'olllltetelat same flootin lia;opy than large crop tutees; istld censumed II tion. Mr. tin her t. and therein able but th provisions. stopped, b 'sorsa'. fro* 11160011 11 , 0 11106 FCC: , of upoli to si cessity of lodged. an the meow tern had so the supply wards Awl Elitmego 3n the yCa sour, imp to 900 ) 00 of August lurtead of IL. builds Ili uutiOurtl, iu that van tb,. t t Mr. Sri aro . Went mibject. Mr. Eli in order, in their p feud by 4 it, in erdi the prow id, and lei in suppoi retaru 01 that the to prevre trade, to iblantera. Mr. h been fai gaited it Ireland. cnmphui which no still, It sash, fn *lints ea seempt would b po!tatie pant el eluded. The favOir bele. Set? 71= "Itry bi 41311 th saw& kietar —3 proms air V ant bii colkti use.' ty as tie c far Ii Ileum will, °Scum tu -1 it to tined coed listm tht Sc .hie truJt •