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f .~ V r.ocent with the guilty, and deprive tlient of their I 1;:lite because others had tinseled theirs.—The Pr-floor) was laid on the table. Lord ions [teem. t moved the second rearlitig f the (:ralulmlrnd Disfronelsisement 801 l ; after ohlch lie moved, that the Rvsolutinsis of the !loose. passed sth July Imo, and the Order of the 7th of the same mouth, for leave to firing in a Bill for iliaframbing the borough of Grampoiend, he mow read, which briog done by the Clerk at the ► able, his Lordship rose and mid, that it would be oi the recollection of the Members who had set in l'or last Parliament, th.t ror the pe w er,,t o tio s , of a I.rtil ageinit tow M.-tubers rotairnrit air il'onhm -I.oioirt, 'rouse eircrolioseces hail civilr too which inalwoof hum to more Inv a Committee; it was proved, by evolenee given before that Committee, 'at a I rmo nit alter of the voters had received fist, a puree lo give their vote, to one of the candi oat..., hot not satisfied with this non, they had eftersvards given their vote to the other party, There was also a list of 58 voters, out of which r timber 47 had gams of money (generally 351.) set ;Awns% their rimer, which being shown to the *gent I Sir Nlanststif Lopes, was by him acknowledged to lie pretty correct ; sod it also appeared in evidence that at various times sums or money were given to plower, the return of Member.. One person hail iittended as a delegate, and received the sum of 5 000/. to secure the return of one Member. A.400L was letdown us the regular stint to be paid tar the two seat., and it was agreed by all the oitnesees that to receiee money in this way for their votes yes considered as the common and ordinary entitle of proceeding. One witness had stated, that al soon every elector had received a bribe. He added, that there were perhaps three or four who had not. The Noble Lord said, he conceived that this was as strong a body of evidence as had ever been pro. /Need against any borough; bat he would state one or two more circumstances which had been given in evidence before the Committee, and which placed is a still stronger hint, of view the mis conduct of this bnrOugh. A petition on one ouccit nun lord been prepared against the return of the titling Members, and a considerable sum we. after ward. paid to them not to prosecute the petition; tool at one of the elections for this borough,. person had repotted to have the bribery oath administered. 0,1 nuking this proposition. he was so maltreated by the assembled elector.. that it was with great difficulty lie escaped with his life. The cave then being so strong, the next consideration was as to the remedy that should be adopted ; and it would perhaps assist the Houle if they were to look to what had been done on other occasions. It was not at all extraordinary in a country like ours. that, from the fluctuations of trade and the consequent depression of some of the Borough., where now great poverty prevailed. that there should he some of the electors open to these corrupt temptations. From • review of our history it would appear that The evil had made rapid stride.. It appeared that i” the time of Elisabeth, n Member was fined 41. for corrupt practices in relation to his election; and if we might credit the authority of Lord Shaftes bury, nu less a sum than 7,'0001. was paid for returns to that House in one of the Par. liuments of Charles 11. Some Acts were pass. ed relative to such abuses soon after the Revolu tion, but in 1771 a case of great enormity had oc curred, in which the returning officer had corrupt ly taken Upon himself to return the filiimber with the smallest number of votes. In the case of New Shoreham there was a Christian Society established, whose Christian practice it wits to sell the borough to the highest bidder. A Bill was brought in to disfoanehite those pet-tons who hail thus abused t'leir privilege. and after the second reading it was agreed to extend the right of voting to the neigh bouring voters. Lord Chatham observed on this, that he was glad of the measure. as it *mild bring back New Shoreham from Bengal to Sussex. The Pediment, by this proceeding, acknowledged that C•rr right of voting was a trust reposed for the abuse of which it was the right and duty of Per. Lamest% to provide a remedy. In the case of the borough of Csicklade, the corruption WAr nearly universal, and there a Bill was also brought in to throw that borough into the adjacent hundreds. The Bill was opposed strongly in the House of Lords, and the conduct of that House on the occa nun. coiled forth a severe remark from Lord For tracer 1 that House ultimately passed the Bill. and he trusted the present measure would be equally successful in that place.- After this review of what had been done hitherto. the House would have to coosider whether it 'would be better to throw tl.e right of voting into the adjacent hundreds, or transfer it to some other place. To the Petion era of to-day. it could make but little difference, they would in either case still constitute a small int uortty. The glory of Grampound was gone for ever ; they 'multi no longer see a Baronet, from motives of pure charity, thrusting money into the pockets of the electors, or merchants of the city of London. of the highest respectability, contesting for the honour of representing them. It was acknowledged on all sides that the freeholders of the hundreds have no claim of right whatever that it should be extended to them. In the rases adjudged. it was given from those who had abused it into those hands where it was thought it might safely be placed. But if the hundred in which Grampound is situated should not no the present instance have the elective franchise extended to them, there were still ten other Mem ben retnaining to their; who could with sufficient zeal amid ability advocate their interest. in that House. The Noble bird continued :—There was, in his mansion, • fitter course for the House to Pursue. — It MIS well-known, that, within the last 40 or 50 years, tosses of great wealth and population had grown up whirl' fail not the right of sending members to Parliament, some of them consisting of 100.000 inhabitants. Such a state of things wee inconsistent with the perfection of the repre sentative system ; and he would ask if any one be lieved that had these totem; existed prior to the time of Charles 11. they would not have had represents lives? He therefore thought it was expedient that the people should be convinced of the intention of the Legisfature to grant them Representatives as soon ao opportunity should occur. Experinice MAI theory alike concurred in pointing out that remedy for the evils which had navy, afflicted, and still did afflict large unrepteserated mums. of the community. It might be said that this would not be deemed sufficient to satisfy those who were stj led IttLraters; it might be so, but the nisei,- t•ige would Ire 1114 that they wodld th their completes* by the !erg ehoilln 4 of presentative- in that Ilowse,.itmerad of re ailegal method., as had unhappily been late. It might be said shat we should as much corruption in large towns. but he trusted that as the time' became more eisligliteised such gross corruption would wettish. lie never heard now of Members of that House receiving it round rum of money for then vote,: yet such things once were. The Noble Lord here read the resolutions of a body of electors. who had asso. rioted together for the porpoise of discovering and bringing to punishment any corrupt practices in their own body, and hod subscribed to. les. a sum than 1,6001. for that purpose.. lie observed. that when such • spirit existed in the country, much good might be expected; hut it was the duly of that House to oecond and support it ; and he thought that the prospect of the great towns being better represented, was particularly calculated to gratify the wishes of the country. The Noble Lord said. he sindetotood his Hon. Friend (the Member for Northumberland) intended to propose that two of the Ridings of Yorkshire should be preferred to Leeds; but at present the iuclination of his mind was to the latter place. Lord Cmstutateon agreed with the Noble Lord. that where a clear (-see of corruption was established torsion a borough, it seas the duty of the House to protect the parity of election and the constitution of the country. The only question ow which a difference of opinion could arise. was on the remedial mein' proposed to be applied ; for the question was not whet her • remedy should be applied. but the nature of that remedy. The Noble Lord had meted three instance. in which the House had in. terfeeed, and in all of those the right of voting was extended to the adjacent hundreds; but he thinks the House would exercise a sound discretion in transferring the right to great towns. lie would shortly give his own opinion. and he differed from the Noble Lord in this, that he (Lord John Rus sell) considered this case as a means of procuring admission to the principle of Parliamentary Re form ; but he looked at it as the particular case of the borough of Compound. for whose specific misconduct some remedy must be applied, and not at all thereby looking to any change in the represen. tetion. When the Noble Lord brought the subject forward in the last &seism. he (Lord Cestlereagh) had objected to any general principle, end as he was unacquainted with the local circumstances of Crampoon& he had particularly reserved the quer tion as to the propriety of opening the right of-von. leg to the adjacent hundred.. The Bill had been brought in for opening the borough of Petite'''. bet that had lapsed, and this, therefore. was the first case which had occurred. He thought that ou comparison of Wilts and Sussex with Cassoreil. there would not be found any great diffeetaseiroile the number of boroughs ; there were in Corner" he believed. 21. in Wilts 16, and in Sussex 13 ho. troughs • therefore any objection as to the number of the bor oughs would apply equally to all those comities; yet Cricklade and Shotehaes had bees both opened into the amities of Wilts and Sussex. He must confess that as far as practical good or the reason of the case Sent. he could see no insuperable difficulty iu opening the bnenegh of Grampound to the adjacent hundred,: With that object in view. and the experience of three cases it which both Houses of Psrlinoretst had concurred. he thought it would be highly prejudicial to take the busistrow up on new principles, and in contradiction to all the pre tedeuts before them. He did not go so far as to say that in no case it might • be expedient to transfer the elective right. If • second instance of misconduct should occur in any borough si. tooted its the same vicinity, that he would hold to be a particular case in which you could not make use of the some remedy which you bad in the first instance; but this would Dot be a depar ture on the principle of the Noble Lord, but the effect of necessity in that particular instance. The Noble Lord opposite preferred the principle premiss fer, instead of the district or local netsurf ; now he (Lord Castlereagh) could not concur iii the expo• diency of adopting the new principle, and did not think it was necessarily connected with the portion tar rase trader their consideration. He thought that whatever the Noble Lord's partitolar opinions might be on the subject of Parliamentary Reform. his first wish must be to reform this borough ; sod he would put it to the Noble Lord, whether it would not be more desirable for him so to shape his measure as to carry the whole of the House along with him, and then backed by all the precedents, send it up to the other House of Parliament. rather than by reading it forward on a new and litigated principle, rue the hawed of losing the Bill 'dung,- tiler iu another plate. It should be observed, that the Noble Lord had not been contented in presenting this Bill to provide for the transfer of the franchise, but hod recorded on the face of the Bill itself nn acknowledgment of an abstract principle. Here the Noble Lord (Castlereagh) read part of the preansoble of the Bill, which stated. that it was expedwat for Leeds to have two Burgesses in Parliamtiet;• now lie (Lord Castlereagh) could not agree so this without at the same lime agreeing with his (Lord John Russell's) principle, that the reperseutritiou ought to lie founded on wealth and population. Now this was a novel principle, and was, he thought, going buck to those ideas which the Noble Lord had consented to give up; and re far wee he (Lord Castlereagh) from agreeing with him to extending the right of suffrage to all householders paying scot and lot, that be thought this the mode of all others to which he should have the greatest objection. There was, he believed, no instance on record, where a right of voting had been establi.hed by Act of Parliament. at trait not since the Act of Union. at ..hick time the Crown ceased to exercise the tight of summoning some places and withholding it hues others. As this would be creating a new principle of coolerring the elective franchise by Act of Par liamet.t, end would be a complete departure from the three precedents already established, he would put it to the Noble Lord, whether, fur the sake of .au abstract proposition—a proposition too which was not only denied, but which would certainly be strongly opposed—he would risk the loss of the measure altogether. Having stated to the Howe his reasons for preferring the district reform to the principle of tranifer. lie should not oppose the second reeding of the Bill, but he trusted that in '4I4E Committee It.sienpl receiA such site eons as would enable hinr te gm* it his support. & 0 'Mr. TIERNEY said. that whets his Nob ' rifi' had brought the subject before the Ilona; on a . harmer occasion ' 'he certainly hail understood thst the Noble Lord opposite, for himself, was nut averse from the mode of proceeding which his Noble Friend now proposed to adopt. Lord CAIITLEREAGS explained. • Mr. TIRRIIRY said, Ih4 with respect to the measure proposed by his Noble Friend, he was eaten" there was nothing which would have tiiten greater satisfaction to all reasonable end diiipas -sionate mess than the peospeet which it held out to them lie was certain dirt in this 1w spoke the sentiments of all .ristional, souud-thirsking mess; Mils peewee thosight that this Was one of the *eons, in a small degree, of improving the re presentation, but would in a great degree .hew the disposition of the House to make that re form. But all were now thseppointed, mid all they were to expect was, simply, that the ekciite fran chisee at Gramponisd should lw merged in the neighbouring hundreds.. The Noble Lord says, for God's sake keep to precedent ! hut this prece dent was established only a very few years ago.— ( Hear. leeree.)—Before he proceeded. he begged to guard himself. against the idea that any feelings in soother plareswere.to influence his conduct. or say. in tlipt House. • y were to do their duty— thel other . Hadar wo do "hat they conceived theirs—mid . the coo ry wouW decide between them if there -Should 'be any difference. With out going extrevagaist lengths, or seconding any clamour either 'for or against reform. the measure of his Noble Friend came recommended to him on this ground—that it.. would be a recognition of the principle, that where favourable opportunities offered to amend the repreeentationo he House would avail itself of them. The question for them to con. • eider was this : by the disfranchisement of Grain. pound the House were reduced two in number, and therefore it was to be said whether they should go on with the reduced number, or keep up the old one. He should say,. keep up the old one. He utterly denied that Grenipround being ouce disfranchised, they had any more to do with Corn wall than ally oilier county hi the kingdom.— (Hear, hesni—No man would deny that great changes had been wrought hy the lapse of time and the course of events—great fluctuations and shift logs of both property and population. Those fluctuations ' had thrown an immense maw of population to other places than those which they occupied when our representive system began.— Going hick to that period, would any man have ventured to say,- that Grampound should, and that Leeds should not, be represented ? He would controls, that they were now in that situa tion, and that they. had not only to consider what places most worsted representatives, but in times like the present they ought also to consider how the public feeling Would be most gratified by the choice to be made. Now he would ask. what was the cause of thechimour (for to a certain degree it might be su considered) fur Parliamentary Reform ? The cause, .undoubledly s was such entire masses of men being, unrepresented. and they now had an opportunity. pro trust*, at least, to remedy that ellesttlanst. hut isythe plan oltlw Noble Lord op. posit.. no new e.t.a' ollemers would be created, but some Of the old voters eontd have two votes instead of one. He could not eopeeive why the motion should have excited any alarm, unless those who felt it had made up their minds that nothing its the shape of Parliamentary Reform should ever be granted. The Noble Lord had reedy advanced nothing against the measure, but arguments founded on what was likely to be the conduct of the other House. If it was to be said that that House woo Never to entertain any ques•inn introducing, or even touching on Reform, let it be said so At once ; but if they wished to avail themselves of every fair op. portuoity for correcting the abuses which had crept into the represeistation ilea long room of time. he maintained that a more favourable one could never present itself than the present. The Noble Lord could not doubt that there was a large body of t wo. plc in the country who were as anxious for the pre. serration of property, and as zealously attached to the principles of the Constitution, as the Noble Lord himself, who in their consciences believed that a certain degree of improvement in the niode of exercising the elective franchise was indispesisably necessary to the tranquillity, security. and wellore of the country.—(Hear. hear.)—The propriety of disfranchising Grampound was generally admit ted. and the only question was, whether its former rights should be thrown into some of the counties. or the great towns. He coticurred in opinion with bas Noble Friend (Lord J. Russell) that it would he more advautorgeoes to give it to one of the latter, and Leeds appeared to be the most eligible that could be fixed ons The Noble Lord (Castlereagh) de clared that he would not oppose the second read ing, hut very' candidly admitted, that in the Com mittee it was his intention to get rid of the whole principles sod provisions of the meosure r by throw. mg the right into the adjacent hundreds. It had been said; 't-Are you aware of the danger of giving votes for theeloctiou of Members to sit in Parlia ment to rireliiPliiiipVeie of people. with no other qualification, akin rirtflog a house of the value of I. a year'?" ' ant they lived in a country where the experiment had been tried with the best success— where, ton it had, its various instances, been carried to a much greater extent than was proposed at pre. sent. with the most beneficial consequences. one of which lie (Mr. Tierney) should always consider the intone it afforded for the vent of public opinion and feeling on questions of general importance and in terest. Ile most conscientiously believed that if Manchester enjoyed the privilege of sending two Members to Parliament, and were governed by discreet and humane Magistrates. this would form a strong 'sledge for its peace and contentment in future.—(Here Lord Castleresgh smiled.) — The Noble Lord smiled, and treated this remark with sovereign contempt ; but notwithstanding it vw, and would be, his conscientious belief. Not. withstandisig. he preferted bestowing the boon 611 Leeds, becalm there would necessarily be a sort of awkwardness in granting it to Manchester in the first instance. He could assure the Noble Lord that in the decision to which he had come, party feelings did not at all interfere, for he was not at all sure that his 'side of the House would gain by the transfer; at least. if Leads returned two Mem bers, he thought they would be very well off f th e y stkl Anse Ile thought the wiNe'une *Web tein, end to grt hy the Noble I. which would be pnb4.. Thr adoption .o'llll6 rei l ordiers title or their Strongest arguments— " The House of Commons will never do any thing to reform itself:7 it.. world bsdeprivisig them of their most powerfulWespon. But a greater % adsau t■ce reediting from it would be, that it wools con ciliate the mitidaof the middling claales..who would hail with joy the commencement of self-refurrno boo. But he confessed .he .saw no •Ipipe,•of the attainment of his Noble )F'riend's object alter the speech of the Noble Lord; hot for his own port he should gladly take all the good that was to be got. He had no doubt that that night' discussion ot the subject would produce o disappointment in the public mind to.mprrovr ; therefore, as there would be an opportunity of considering the itstes• tan after the holidays, he entreated G e ntlrm e s, t o inquire into`, and endenvour•tto ascertain the opi nions of their constituents and the hishlic on it in the mean time; and if they feturned with an its. pression founded on what the, saw. that the prop*. aition of his Noble Friend was cote which it would do 'credit to the noun to entertain. and diffuse so. tisfactiori through the country to adopt, he should indqlge the hope that would receive the better support.---(Hear. hear.) Mr. W. Wlr NW said, that all parties were agreed on the necessity of reforming tile gross abuses which had take p platee in the givitig of votes in the. bo• rough of Grarnposoid. and all concurred its the expediency of the first part of the Bill for taking away the right of franchise from that place. The question then was, whist . das to be done with it Ile by no means agreed isi the reasoning of that Noble Lord, for transferring it to the adjacent bun. aired,. The three former instances quoted by bun were net at all similar in their circuritstances to this. But even if they were so id every respett, and admitting, as be certainly did. that precedent ought to he allowed greet weight where it was appli• cable, still he could not acknowledge that the House was bound by the determination of other Perlis. means, but that this Parliament was quite fret to exercise its own judgment and wisdom on the parti cular case. and if it saw that a different course was advisable. to pursue it.—(Hear. heer•l-1 11 the three former instances of disfranchisement. there were great numbers of electors to whom no guilt had been brought home. It had been reasonably laid, will you punish the whole of the electors for the guilt of a part? Accordingly it Wig not done, but purer blond was let into the body by the odroopthoo of the adjacent hundreds to a pa►tictlwtioti of the elective 604 Bat this case differed so materially from the others, there was so much greater degree of guilt in the, borough, that the some argument could not in his opinion be with any propriety used in regard to it. If the right of returning members to Parliament were taken away frosts Grarispound, no reason whatever existed for conferring it on the adjacent hundreds ; they shoisld so more be consi de►ed in the distribution than the ishabitants of any other place in the kingdois.--(Heee. keitr.)— Besides. it would be inconvenient to throw the right into the hands of those whnolready enjoyed votes for the rounty..-(fkor.)—With respect to the district to which it Om impost advisable to transfer the right, he preferted the proposition of the Hon. Member for Northumberland (Mr. Beaumont). The imperfect state of the representation for the county of York was a great evil, which imperiously demanded to be removed. The elective franchise was scattered over so greet an extent of space in that large county. that it was in reality useless to many invested with it, because it was not possible that all the freeholders in the county could be collected to one point to give their votes within the time limited by law. This was an evil long felt. and which would be in creasing every day. Any one who looked at the population returns would be convinced of that; and if disregarded. would at last absolutely force itself on their attention. He therefore'preferred the plan of dividing the county of York into two parts, and giving the East and North Riding the return of two Members, and the West Riding also the return of two Members. The Hon. Member here expatiated on the inconvenience of the accumulation of votes in the saw individual in Wootton Basset, and other boroughs. in consequence of the former modes of punishing borough corruption. All these awes should stand on their own grounds, and he consi dered it would be improper to convey the right taken from Grampoursd to at district already fully mid more than fully represented.--( Hear, hear./ — If the Milne were against the plan he had rectum• mended, he should choose, as the next best. the proposition of the Noble Lord (Lord J. Rasaell.)— (Hear, hear./ Mr. Hot,mg Sunrise said. that the constant answer of those hi the House who opposed Re. form was, " Strew us a specific instance of im perfection in the present system of the representa tion." Now. he thought •that if ever a clear ease to establish that impeilectirm was to be acknow ledged by the Haase; the present was that case— (Near,/—and if they neglected to avail themselves of the opportunity it afforded to correct and onward what was proved to be abused and defective in the system, it would give but too just a handle to those who imputed to them that they would never do any thing to correct their own errors. He had to ex press his thanks to the Noble Lord who had renew ed the question in so able a manner. The objec tions of the Hon. Member for Montgomeryshire (M►. Wynn) to extending the right of suffrage to the adjoining► hundreds were insuperable. The pro. position of the (lon. Member for Northumberland (Mr. Beaumont) was that to which he felt most in. dined. He ',referred this alteration, because it was consistent wish the principle on which the pare• sentation of that House was formed, giving the elective franchise to property. He hoped too that that was not the only rase to which the principle of disfranchisemeut would be al►plied. A 13,11 had hero in very considerable progress in the last Par. lismerit fur disfranchising the borough of Penryn, which had beet► proved to be qaite as bad as Gram• pound. and he sincerely hoped it would be taken up again. Mr. BRAUSIONT said, that to prevent mistily. demanding. be should explain the amendment he iutraded to propose iu the Committee. Its obj,ct was. that the county of York, for the pier. lase of being properly repreiented, should he divided into two couuties. His reasons were some. thing similar to those which had been moil already in the debate. This plan had less of issnorit...,•, aid would enable the franchise to be more easily exercised in that county, by diminishing the ex pense attending voting there at present. Ile though t that nothing had fallen from the Noble Lord (Castlereagh) which should bind him to oppos e fits proposition. and he was resolved to isersevere in the amendment. Mr. CAPIMIG said that if the BM nn the tab'.h.a 'Seen introduced merely fur the disfresichier fluent of Gralopound. and transferring toe right which that borough bail enjoyed in tome 0n... place. leaving it to the Committee in till sop ii blink *WI the name of the place, he should h,,. felt leo great anxiety to repress his sentimesii.. Bur it.was expressed in the preamble that it w a s a it,l lot erecting (among other purposes) Leeds ..00 a borough. 'lle propriety of that. two-lose, w as she question 'strafe the UMW!. He agreed only every Gentleman tvhb hid spoken, that the borough of „Gradipotsud meet be disfranchised, that was, deprived of the right p 1 sending Members to Parlor ment. But the Right Him. Gentleman opposite (Mr. Tierney) seemed to go still further than the Noble Lord id his 'aliveness to punish the beerotig4. for, in being diefrattchiled, he thought that toe place was wholly extinnpsiabed. as much as if us such place had ever heels ut existence. But the Noble Lord 'fell iutia De. satiestapposititio, becdo... in his Bill he provide(' for the preservation of the right of voting to the pure elect•iri, ass t ',rimmed them to ewe for the county. Told was • singular feature ip the measure. and our from which could be derived .the props' ety of the plat advised by his Noble Friend (Lop' Ca.sle reugh). If he were obliged to choose miter, hm could have sin hesitation as to which of the mode* of transfer proposed on the opposite side of the House he should give the preference. He eerie-illy preferred that of the Itrinourable Gentleman (Mr. Besumontj. To this 11.11, in its preartilde and its eisactmeuts, he must give the isn't decided opposition. Noble Lord had profe•peil, iit framing it. 'W steer clear Of all wild therm it. if reform t he apprehended. however, that the prnu ,- pie on which these theories were founded was the right of populatiOn to proportionate repleeii tetiosi—which very principle, he believed. was r cognised in the Bill, for looking to its preamble they would find it said. that Leeds' ' being • piece of great and increasing wealth and poteshiltoa. it was expedient. &c. Looking at the details, it would be seen that they carried this principle practice to • very great extent. He knew of very few boroughs in the kingdom with elect'• e righsts ao extensive us were ;kelt eonferred is Leeds. Of this he was sure, that if Parliament approved of the Inuit there laid down. and established es the standard for determining the participation of the elective franchise. so far froth the measure difusisig, satisfaction through the ceuutry, the consegnence of it would be the diffusion of disemeteat in spoor places which wife perfectly well satisfied already. but which would then desire to be put on an equal footing. He was glad to find that scarcely any Member expressed • predilettion for the Noble Lord's measures at the same time he should be' sorry to he suspected of stay indisposition to reviler due credit to the talent sod iwlusiry he had mani fested in preparing Isis Bill. He confessed he felt jealous of Parliamentary Reform.. mod would nor sanction the principle of it one tittle beyond whet necessity required. He submitted so what was tie. he done in the present case. as the consequence of an existing evil which could not be *offered to coo tinue. The necessity of some step he folly admitted, but greatly apprehended that the detenninatiow come to by Parliament in this case would go fords to the public as an admiseion of a general principle . of reform. which he must look on as dungenises. the more especially whets he considered the wooly:• tions with which the Noble Lord had prefaced his measure. His most earnest wish was., that 'Lig might be the last case of the kind which would. require the attention of Parliament. that thence• forth such a degree of caution might• be to. , spired into the other boronghs. that no•occartair might arise for similar proceedings ; he honest that it would operate not as ail example..bul warning, and that it might be a beacon to.diteo the rest of the boroughs from falling tinder the an°t% madversiois of the Legislature. These were '4.1 sentiments ' and he stated them eimilidly. Ad to•tho grounds of his preference of York. the traosil.► to that county only cos tioned a pre-existing right. He disliked departicg from land, without knowing how far he might be carried ; awl therefore wouhle adhere to Rime principle to guide his course—her would take a basis already established—he w o ol.i transfer to as old, rather than create a new right.. If he must reform, he would reform within the hoe of the constitution.—(Heoe, heur, heel—The Noble Lord might see that the creation of a right would furnish matter of dispute am' discussion. Ile hinpelf, it appeared, hail hesitated between este.. blotting the stasidard at 5/. or 10/. Its the year 1810 the population of Leeds amounted to 6CWO. Presuming an increase in the last ten feats. siege her to that iie the tees preceding. the pres , e.t amount would be about 73,100.—(Here Lord sell intimated that he computed it at 70,000).--; %Veil then. here was • populutioit of 70.000 per soh. ; allowing the females to constitate hall that number. the males would be reduces' to as.lw taking away fur unison and other causes 11„utse, the residue of the male population, capable of yahoo. would be 24.000. of which the Noble Lord's' Isis would od mit 8.000 teethe actual esijoyinent of tlieftan chise. This was& a iiler eatrootios of the right than prevailed in any the moot fully represeuted ho. roughs in the kingdom; and therefore it was ihst he had nut spoken at cauldron its sayis.g, that the adoption of hi* proposed measure souk' have the effect of producing sliocootrot and die.atiefsetiou in a variety of places. The taint which he hail the honour to represent. and which he hied never heard was defective in it. representation, cositditied 100,000 Ushabitaiste, of whom not iuure than 4 WM exercised the elective franchise. He was ciii•lideut. that the enaction.' recommended by the Noble , Lord in respect to Leeds would be feud to be a t I source of jealousy and snvidious companion. Rd • Hots. Friend had spokesi of the iticanitugeence re- • stilling from the enjoyment of a triple Sala !!y / 1 ; 4 inhabitants of Wootton Bisset, but his Noble • le of them.— ( Lend Intighter.)—• ✓ proposition of. kis Noble Frlind the Home irenkt cle• earn to etallt• 4 rid of it on the . grethid• adduced Lord. would be steering • morn e any thing but satisfactory to the adoption of it • would take front vi.