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THE TENTH REPORT. IR MUT OF THE SELECT COMMITTEE UPON THE• TEN I It REPORT OF THE NAVAL COMMIS SIONI- RS. [cosrmuu, /ROM OU4 TAPIR OT SATVROAY.) (Mr. rite: Examination concluded.) Was .lie pbblie ionney stated by you t:i have bean intrusted to the h , use of Boyd for the purpose of its being remitted to the Cipe of < - 4 , 4d Hope, an intruqed to them subsiquent to yoar refusal of the list of Me-srs. Strange and Co. a. bidden tor the ban!-1 believe not ; but I have already said I cannot bay with certainty %Own that offer on the part of Messrs Strange was :wade. Was the mon.y so intrusted to the House of Boyd punts• all. path ?—allo, it was not. Has it all bleu paid believe it has not; an extent was believa, in 1799, in Girder to secure the recovery of whet was due. . _ . Can you state what was the amount due at the time of iisll. ihg the extent'.—No, I cannot. Can you state what is now doe?—No, not with certainty. Dirt not the hou.e of Stralig-, which offered to bid fur the loan in conjainainis with Buyd, as was undersio , 4 by sou at the time, and %time offer was rejected by you, afterwards fail? -..Yes, ntdd . The further Examination of the k ,ht Hon. VV.!ham Fitt ; taken the I;th of May. Ham you any reason to suppose that e.'0,0001. of money imued for Naval Service., was appiaad to purposes not Naval, during the last Treasurership of Lord Melville, besides the sum of 4. 1 ,00 , 4 stain! to have been advanced to the house of Boyd and Batfi-1•I, in the year 1796 understood from con ,l*MiNgerl with Lord Melville, tnat to tea best of hi; that was nearly the amount ; and on that gr nand I rated my belief to that effect to the Hoe. of Commons. Flawayou any information as to tar purpose to which such money was applied ?—1 have not Did you make any etutuiry of Lord Melville on the subject?-1 did not- VV ham did the coover.ation take place'—Some time Am the Tenth keport was touttitsitetl. Were yun First Lord of the Treasury in the month of May, 1111100!-.4 was. Dn you recollect having been present at a Board of Treasury on the 29'h of that mouth, In which Mr. Rae su:amint-,1 a .tatement o`a debt due to the Treasurer of the Navy from Mr. Adam Jullicepe ?....The precise date I cannot reitortaiii from me mory , I perfectly recollect the statement, and the memo-tat of the Treasurer of the Navy, en which it oas founded ; bath of which were under my consideration before the snout,, of Tres. eery was framed. I believe I was aLtuatly present at the Board, but of that I (*afloat speak positively. Had you had any tom inowcation with the Treasurer of the Navy on the subject of his memorial, Inevious to its being sub tuitted to your consideration ?—1 brliese I had, and that his communication was to the same effect as what was contained in the memorial. . _ . IhJ you take any step. yourself, or give directions for steps to be taken, in order to vents the st.it and allegations Contained in that memorial,-1 du not recollect that ! did ; I bad no doubt of the truth of the facts represented. . . Are writs of Privy Seal for acquitting public officio of defy Mencies, due to them by persons emplosed under them, —I do not aporeher.d the Matinees ara frequent; but I take it to be the reizu:ar mode of giving a discharge where airy CiTCUID• stances appear to justify it. Do you recollect any instance of a similar nature ?-11 der not at this moment, but I rather believe others have occurred while 1 have been at the Treasury. Did you lake the opinion of the Law Officers of the Crown nn the propriety or legality°, the writ in question ?—.4 did not, I conceive the propriety of it to rest on g,enunds on which the Treasury were themselves competent to decide; of its legality I luy,- nut the sli;htest doubt Ik yilNI knw who drew the instrument?—N., Ido not; 1 suppiee the Solicitor of tir! Treasury. Did you enquire shut was the state of the proceedings which !lad bout Militated by direction of the Treseirrer of tire Navy to ...rower the debt due from Mr Jellies. -.4 think it poolsalds that 1 did, but 1 wain taker upon myself to say y 1 do nut recollea the particalars with sufficient precision. Hive you at any time since given any directions for peered fngs to be continued on the port of the mitotic for the balance Mill due from the estate of Mi. Jellicoe!—l do o u t mearet that 1 Moo, I cow:over , end the Solicitor of the Treasury had previously been direr led to slice ill the st,lrs in his power ; 1 owl 2:6.lt da. that it was not sun, months after that per iod that I spitted office. Are yore aware that the Solicitor of the Treasury has sus perid‘d all proceedings in that busions since the year 1722 or 1726 am Dot aware of it, except as far es appears by his evidence before the COMITIiIKOIIerI of Narall . Sing your return to 'Ace, and since that fact was so brought to your observation, have you taken any steps to ascertain its truth, or given any d•n..ctinia towards obtaining the balance oil the pert of the pulahr have not taken coy step on the sub. ject since my return to office. Have you had any conversation with Lord Mr lville on the subject. at any times 'lee the issue of the writ of Privy Seal —The subject may have been mentioned, but I have no re erSection of airy particular cirtivairalltien tirCrfi Had you any reason at any time to doubt that the prrreeerl. ings against the estate of Mr. Jenks/se were duly carried on, add the proceeds regularly at-vaunted for in the 011,cliarze of his balaric,.?..4 do riot socollcet•ny circumstance that gave Me arty reavin to doubt it Did you COSSI.It, any fresh hutructions on the part of th e Treasury as necessary to secure to the public the entire of cur proceeds'—lt never occurred to me that they were, nor do now conceive that they were. Had you say information Omit to you at the time, of the nature of the proceedings irotitated, of the situation in which they stood, and of the tepee :stints that insic'rit be rea.oriably formed of frothier proceed.' from tire estate of Mr. Jeilicoe; and in whose hods was placed Cie conduct of the bu:iness '— I have nn doubt Orate I had, though I cannot now state, upon recolleethm, the particulars of such information. [A letter from the NaralCentmissiuners read.] Tilt SAAMINATION Of TROWAS RAIICKS, £$Q. TAKEN WAY 7. 111103. Were you Deputy Cneentoe of the amok in the yeas 17%! —Yet. . . - • Who was Governor !—Mr Daniel Giles ; be is now A.•avl. Do ... l;onrricelleet &Wood, on the part of ttur Bonk, so make any payment? upon a loan nr loan? contuttad Ibr by Boyd sod Company 1-1 do net exactly retilket that. Do you rccollect a notice riven by the Bonk, of their inten tion!' to stuccos. their discount. about the end of the rear 1793, or beginning of 1796'--1 renvember such a circumitanee, but ealinnt exactly state when it Was such notice acted upon?—Yes. Was there any particular conduct on the part of the Batik, towards the hodise of Boyd and Company, in refacing to dee count the bills of that house in the lame proporGal ...the hank discounted bels for other mere.. Mile house. t—No; the Bank told Mr Boyd that they would discount for his house the same a. they chit for any other house of the. most respectable situa. lion, but Mr. Boyd required an ecoommodation cf six times the amount which was accorded to the moot respectable haus..., . Did the Rank, in point or fact, treat the hour of Boyd as liberal'. is any ether commercial boom what ?—I believe they dal, unt:l by their owe 031*.mridnet they lemma the opinion of their own credit. About whilime did thlf opirion of their credit begin to diminish, so as to induce the 11-.nk to alter thee conduct to wards them !--It is impossible ter me to determine that by memory, but I believe about the rear 1796. Were any relic, er mations made, or communications held with the Cbaiwellor of the Ex , hermits, on the subject of liar Ironing the Bank discounts'-1 make no doubt it was men. hood in the frequent conferences the Governor and I had with the Chaacrilor of the Exchequer at that time. I),i sou recollect any particular mention in any of those corifernmes, of the house of Boyd and Company I do not. . • . [ln you r Tollect when the li , uise of 11.14 and Compi.ni (ailed'-1 do net recollect. Was thia in‘te of the munet market in A vont, 17,6, such In to hove fart, it diffieiit or IMpOSSiille to OAT* 111.V.Oilliftd Nary PIP. or Bills avoided by thi. Etat India Company at ikon &OS is ink F 04%.51e f•tr me fofreoitrcl. Were the etAlipes of the Dank couliderable alseut the • hlek. I Illeatho •f i lognst, September, and Oetuber, 1706 , —y., the immure Pr &would: was rery heavy. The further Examination of Thome% Reacts, Esq. taken the Bth of May, 11106. . _ It has been tested to the Committer, that the narrowing of the Bank discount• had for one ohiect tha checking of specu lations supposed to be going on at that tone; was that the fact: . I do not recollect any such circumstance. Was the general immure taken with a view to the house of Boyd in particular'-1 have been in the Bank twenty-e , cht years, andl never knew it to act on such partial consideration. Had you been IMAM that a certain suns or public money, which by law ought to have remained in the Bank till the tone at which it might be wanted to he •oplied to the special seivice for which it had been issued to the Bank, would he withdraw„ fur the purpose of supporting the house of Boyd, should you ►we thought it your duty, with a view to the oiterests of the Corporation of wh chi you then had, in conjunction with Mt Gilles the principal management, under the difficulties of the Bank at that particular period, to have remonstrated with the Chancellor of the Exchequer ow such transaCtion, to have made any representations to him or where on the subject, or to have taken any steps to prevent it ?-1 certainly knew nothing of ally such circumstance; if I had known it on any sure hum dation, and that any responsibility thereby devolved oil the Bank, I certainly should have thought it tight to have expos tulated with the Chancellor of the Exchequer upon it. State why you would have expostulated w.th him ?—Becattse if I knew that monies which were appropriated for the pubic sere:et were applied to the use of a private individual, I should have thought it tequisite, if it came to me officially, to have mentioned it to the Chancellor of the Exchequer. Do you remember in February 1796, any application being made to the Bank Directors to make the customen flay meats on behalf of the contractors, for the loan takes ill November 1 , 93 ?—I cannot reeollect it now Irons memory. Can you state wheth.o ally application of a similar nature was made in May, 1796, and refused by the Director'-1 cannot from my memory, but I believe there was something of that kind happened about that time. Can yuu recollect whether an application was made to the Bank in June, 1796, to advance on the loan of seven millions ano an half, taken the preceding April, on which the Di rectors consented to advance the 3d, 4th, and 6th payments, but not the last, which wait doe the 26th of October ?—My memory is not prepared to answer this quo-Minn. Ca., you racollect whether the second loan wan or was not iii October, 1796, at a discount from Bto 9 per cent.:-1 do out recollect it. Is there any enstom at the Hunk which prevents the discre tion of the Rank Dirsotors as to nuking advances upon Loans, acconliog to [hoar opinion of the solvency of the persons con vented in the conhaets. or their judgment oss other co rcurn stances of the tine'—No. Has the usual custom of making advances upon certain pay ments of Loans ever been departed horn, except in the caws alluded to ?—Yes, I remember several. . - - Enumerate them?-1 cannot. The further Examination of Thomas 'talcs, Esq. taken the Bth of May, 1805. Are you aware of the provisions of the act of the 75th Geo. 111. cap. 31, for regulating the office of Treasurer of the N a iy in so far as they relate to the issues of public money to tie Hank for naval service. never saw the act, or ever be..d any particulars of it. Do you know in point of fact, that public money Inr nava; services is issued by the Exchequer to the Bank, to be drawn front thence by the Treasurer of the Navy or his Agent, then applied to sushi services?—Yes, I know that is the cu.toin of the bu.ineu, and that it came to the Cashier's office in the Bank. How is it drawn hem thence cannot speak from my own knowledge, the Cashier manages all that business. Do you know whether any sums of money paid from the Exchequer into the Bank for naval services have born drawn from the Bank, and placed in the hands of private Bankers F—s Prom my own knowledge I cannot say I do know. Has such information been given t• you at any time?—Yes, !believe in the year 1797. Fly whom l—Mr. Giles, the then late Givernor of the lank told me that Mr. Dundas then Treasurer of the Navy, kept his CAill, which by AR of Parliament be WAS tieretiol to keep at the Sank, at the priwat,. banking.house of Messrs. Coatis and Company. I was going that day to the Chancellor of llse Exchequer on hairiness from the Bank, and I thought it of suf hcient consequence to mention the matter to him, but !called in Mr. Newland, the Cashier, and asked him as to the chains stance, which he confirmed ; and added, that Navy Bills were now pint by drafts upon Messrs Coutta and Company, instead of upon the Bank, as they had formerly been : when 1 up to Mr. Pitt, after the immediate objet of my hirsute*. from the Bank was over, 1 did in conversation mention the sucum. stance to him. Did ally thin% further pani?..—Nothing parfeoilar; I think Mt. Pitt thanked sue f..r nly inforniatiun, and math, no (waits. observation. Did Mr. (Pet tell re any thing of the extent of thexe tram tart ions,or when they commenced !—Not that I recollect. Had you any other o n w4h Nye Chancellor of the Exchequer ilt.Lit the one ,ou It.c ituw stated ?—None that I teeolleet. Upon a point adds nature, a frecting the intermt of the Sink, as well a. those of the public, din it not uc:ur to you to enquire whether any, or what step, had toren taken in consequence of your former soggestion look.d upon it that having mule tilsl matter known to the Chancelbw of the Exchequer, it WAS 111 the hands ntthe person most competent to set any thing right that might be *tong is the business; Ido not recollect I heard any thing mute upon the subject in the course of my office. Dal you, on your return to the Bank, make any minute of the substance of what had parsed with the Chancellor of the Exchequer on this subject ?—I mentioned the wetter to the Committee of Treasury and several of the Directors, but I mole no particular minute of it; I had alwas s made mi nutes when I was in the situation of Deputy Goverunr, but soother Gentleman was now in that satiation, and the prac tice was then discontinued, only a Clerk was appointed to take minutes of any actual business that passed between the Urra- V(111111 , 4114 i tie Chancellor of the Erwin... mat but matters of conversati..n were not tec;teled. is it not usual to catio. a mmute to be taken of anv repre• sensation made by the Governor or Deputy Governor of the Bank, which they coneder as official?—This communication we+ net cionolerrot as official. Of %ham did the Committee of Treaoiry coitaiet at t h at time '—Mr T4(111144 Raikes,Corgnor, Mr. Samuel Therohni, Sir Ricti.oJ S..!ave, Mr. Darell, Mr. Boaertivirt, Mr and Mr. Matthew. Du you recolloct the terms in which you made this ammo nic.t ton to Mr. Pitt tray as I before stated,. What was the date of the communication you matte to Mr. Pitt du not kr.ow, but it was some time after the ~th of April 1797.. Was any iiihrmation officially given to the Chancellor of the Exchequer. on the part of the Rank, after yoor communica tions made W the Committee of Treasury ?—II do nut recollect that arty were. Did you consider the informal, a given to the C•rmmittee of Treasury, as a matter of busmen brought before them on which it became them to el, or only as a report of a cunverst. noir that hail taken place'—Merely in the latter light ; I did not conceive the Batik Lad any right to apply further on the subjel to the Chancellor of the Lecheques. Can you mention iii what terra, you made the communica tion to Mr. Pitt told him that I had heard at the Bank that morning, that the Treasurer of the Navy now kept his cash at Messrs. Coutts and Company'. instead of the Bank, where 1 undorstood it should be lodged by Act of Parliament ; and that I had also heard that Navy Bills were now paid by drafts upon Messrs. Coots and Company, in-deud of drafts upon the Bank. Are you certain that those are the terms in which you made the coniniunicat,on?—ll urn not sure of the tennis, it was tight years ago; but I am sure of the purport. Had you ally authority from the Bank to mention the con versation alluded to, to the Chancellor of the Exchequer ! None, I del it with a view to the public good. You mentioned it as an individual only cannot say quite as an iudividual ; 1 was Governor of the Bank at the trine I learned it the Batik, and Mentioned it to Mr. Pitt, being Governor of the Rank ; I should not have known it had I not been in that situation, nor bad any opportunity of making the D.d you mention the ercurnstarice to Mr. Pitt, as Governor of the Baiik! 1 had no commission from the !link to mention it to Mr. Pitt, but I did it in sonversation after the business was over By the wurd " business," do you mean such communication to the C'olocellor of the Excl.euer thoon the b iiiooss of the Balk, which, a. 4 GJvert to r of the Beak, you woe tkod.ot.sed to notice to him do. All the business which von wart ry cornstinnin , re to rh s Chancellor of the ExcheTter, 41 Cwaverin.r of the Bank, was concluded previous to any such communication as that to which you 113 , r all.nled was . • • • •• Might not the eireinstance you mentioned to Mr Pitt have come equally to the ktiowlerlgo of any holder of a Navy hill, or to any person whom Mr. Giles intOrIONI as tm did yen '— Any holder of a Navy biU, who received for payment a draft upon Cuutts, must certainly know who paid them, but. loss. haps he might be ignoram from whence the fonds came; but a•iy person to whom Mr Giles dimmunirated the information he Aid to me, was eqtt.ll4 master of it as 1 was. When you ma.le this cousmuoteati‘.n to Mr. Pat, did you not conceive you wa. discharging your ditty as Gl•elnOf Ole Bank, although not acting officially >-1 had no COMMSIIOO from dm Bank, but 1 thought it a duty today public Mr. Pitt should know it. Was the Deputy Governor of the Rink present at this eon. veraation with Mr Pitt, or it,ty other river, make uri doubt the Deputy Governor was, though 1 do not absolutely recollect the circumst.o. 2, for 1 always avoided going alone to the Chan ce•llor of the .hequer when 111 Jo; GUVCTIUr of the Rank, le,r, by failure of me mot), 1 might ever omit any part of the bu.i nmis I had to do. _ Who was llsputy Governor at that time' —Mr. Snood Thornton. The further Examination of Thnmas Raikes, Esq. taken the Siff of May, 180 a. When Mr. Giles id trilled s o , t of the circumstance ti` the Treasurer of the Na., ket•ping his cash at a private banker's, did he throw out any hint that such money was applied for the profit of any person?—' o. Did any such l'11:3 suggest itself to you, or did you at the time ever hear it, or know any thing of the matter cannot say but I had some sdspicioa of it, but nobody ever told me, nor did any thing of the kind ever come to my knowledge. Du you recollect staong any suspicion of that sort to Mr. Pitt, or throwing out any hint tending that way t—Ai I knew nothing of that kind, 1 had no right to throw out auspicious. When did you first entertain such susisicions ?—When Mr. Giles first mentioned it to me. THE EXAMINATION Or AIEARAM HOLDSMID, ESQ. TAKEN me 10th OF MAY, 1805. Were you one of the Contractors for the loan which was made no November 1795 ?-1 think I was; I am almost sure was but h cannot speak positively. Can you recollect the number of instalments, and the pe riod. at which the iiiitalinerits were to be paid'—Most as suredly Ora. Uo you vcrillect what was the state of the money market in August 1/0G ?—lt i , impossible to recollect exactly, but I think money was wane all 6.4 year. From your recollection of the scarcity of money at that pe riod, d r you conceive that Navy Hills, or the Acceptance , of the Ea,t ludic Coml. ny to bills drawu upon them from their Yrest•leucies abroad, were securities ali , cou•rtable, or on which money might have been obtained by plait ng such ter:with-a ? —Most assuredly not; I myself sold them at a large discount ; with difficult,' you could not get more than 1,0001. or 2,0001. but I:othitig large could be depended on ; it was only chance, and not to he relied on in any large sum. THE EXAMINATION OF ALIXANDER TROTTER, ESQ . TAKKor sErore TNC COMMITTEE ON THE rtrini NAVAL REPORT, 3u OF MAY, 1805. Stela to the Committee what sums were applied to services rpt naval, of the monies issued for the service of the nave um der the Treasurership of Lord Melville, to what amount, and at what time'—Lord Melville never g lee me any information upon the application of monies iAtied under such circumstances, and 1 only judge of the sum alluded to having been applied to other services, filen the cireunisunce of its having bt*st up turned by a parson &Chug in &outlier department of Cia%ere meet. What was that gt!ITI 2 -40,0001 as far as I am informed ; It was not Lino., by me. 'll, whom w.. 1 it iaotsd!-.4 believe by Mr. Mini, who 0nmit,...1 fur ate during my absence, having been at that time in Scotland. What Mr2lithe data of the issue?-1 am IMt enalt,ed to in form you with may degree of act army ; but I think it mu.t have been atone time between the middle of August and the end of Odober, in the year 1796. Wav Mr. Wilson employed w traosoft Wine.; for yen dur ing your ahrence!—.lle was in the habit of officiating foe roe, but not under any regular ;rower, whets I wa., ..b.ent hunt the office By what authority or powar could Mr. Iron issue such 40,0004?-1 kit him in possession of drafts upon the Bank of England, signed by m. self as Ate iniey to the Treasurer. Were Otos: drafts tilled up by yourself for certain sums, nr your signature left to blanks in Mr. Wilmies My signature was affixed to blanks lift in Mr. Wilson's mi.. and which I found necessary to carry on the towline.' of the Pav Othos to present the accident, in came of my it or .3ccasonal ahionce, of the cashiers making imexpatied or sudden demarielt for the public service. Were the blanks for tire names as well as the sums left : They were. Dail you communie3rMns with Mr. Wilson dorm% vont absence, on the subjett of the accounts of the Pay 0.!1::!—I Are thaw communications presorted !—.Titcy are net, as far ail know. Whet is become of them '....lfavinit cheap the whole of this business in quewime. I dni nut think it at ad necenury to pre. 11.!rve, any pant nf the documents tol.sUing to•it. What dal youth) with thew ?—.l looked ;:pon then. es paper of nn consequence; and they must hare been destro, eti with other ',open. which I may have also looked upon r paper of no C0111110411,14Ce to be rne , erveJ.. • Are you aut.. they are not now In exi.fritvo am potitiye ly eeitain ; and that they never connoted, at far as I know, of more than letters which Mr. W it"' hart written to ate on the qu'neet during my ahoonce. When did you detttny them'-1 cannot reeolle-t, bitt eel. tainly more than one or two year{ au; and 1 fancy in 1804 when I was out of Mk*. On your return frost your absences, CA Mr. Willoll give you a regular account in ',thine of his transaerions in the Niel , l'av Mee dark( such absences ; be was nut ni the ha bit of doing so I Nay then emld you see or None at ilie knowledor of What those transactions had been, rn what the conduct of Mr. Wil- Min had been was informed of his transaction; as I have al. ready said, by en-ree,sandence with bins ; and from bit so! high , Iraracter,and the perfect tottEd-nce which I had in hint, I did not fond it necessary to require more from use than explanations upon ally particular point of transactions • hteli had taken place in my abseares Did Mr. Wilson keep a.. y account hooks or ledgers in which those transactions were rego.tered do not believe suet any entry was made in any ledger of the traissictions which you have paitieulaely alluded to (Question repeated )--Ile kept the public lerlcers ooh the office in winch all my public transaction s hare been regularly entered. Are ifinse ledgers its existence '—Tlt,• are, and in the Navy Paw Office. Was cie .um of 411,0001. :Moiled to lir ynu us having been paid by Mr Wil,on to setsices not tarsal, in thy year 179 d, the only sum paid under the 111111 P circuoistances of which you have any loriouledie ?—lt eras, as Ca as I recollect. Did yori never ti.iy any sum or sums yourself by draft or notes, or par mein id any description. :nto the hands o• Lord Melville, or any person authorised by him, or on his account. of public ninitey ass ied for naval services for purpose. not naval —I hare already explained my difficulty to the Commissioners; of Naval Enquiry, of discriiniustiog between my public and private monies; and I have alre.ssly declared to von, that I did not knew the application which Lord Melville may have made of advances which I may have occasionally mad: to his Lord,hip.. (Question repeated)-.4 presume I have. At what time, and to what amount '—M/ recollection slues not enable me to answer that question. Were any entries made by you or any other person aothor o.erl by you, in any books or ledgers, or any mem•irardum kept of any description, of such payment !--I kept reviler ac counts of all my money tiansactotons with Lord M•ls , ile; hut basing closed and settled the whole of them, atot a nii,tual re lease having passed between US, I have notahou; .tit neceaaary ,• • , . . • •>k - to prestrve any documents repilkeini as w , those d.cuinents in Inman' i—They are net, ; I know —afar s When were they destroyed e I ws: out think in 1803. oi ami k Did you destroy them Il ya. I Maass. e , e`fAary to keep. ISid those books or doeumen , accounts wt., any. other persons besides my Lord Melville ?—rm- . . y • When sirsirthe release befure.mentioneel executed'—.l„ q H year 1803, to the best of my iceellection. • When payments of the dei:ription were made, were the, a l. ways made to Lord Melville personally ?—Not s l wass • Did you ere , !-1 do not, at this moment, recollect I eve, did. T,, whom did you ever pay, on Lord Me!ville's account pit • lie money, for pur,ariaes nor naval ?-1 used num freq uently r y pay then into the hands of the prinelpol money conduct-o,a, of the officers dr the Nary Poy (Mice, - What was Ili: name?—Mr. Tweedy; he is now dead. What other person del you make such payments to not recollect any other persons at this moment, How lone 1136 Mr. Tweedy been dead ?..:I'wo or three since Lord Melville, Treasurership ceased To a hat other persons did you make stioh payments to' — I Jo flit recollect any ether person. • Was there any account between Mr. Tweedy and tqu.... None. Whet WAS the nature of the discharge you r:ceircd fi. o Mr. Tweedy ?—.4 took no discharge. What authoriry did Mr. Twer.ly produce m you f, payment of t.aeh mor a y'.—The demand for such mousy lu e previously been made by Lani ?Melville to mysclf. Verbally, or in writing?—Verbally. • Dill you keep any account of the sums paid to Mr Twet in coo lot,nre of such 'ft.,' demands of Lord ?ielrills!..4 entered them in the accomes which kept with hirl..yeistip . Are they in exit.tencel have already mentioned, tbiai had not thought it necessary to prner re soy accounts NI". Lord Melville and myself, a mutual reliant haring pasi t g b e , tween us. Do you know the amount of any such sums which yea may have paid to Mr. Tweedy ?— My recollection does ro4 serve me to specify any such sti TR Do you recollect any thing about the eate of such pap ment, do not. Do you recollect what sort of sums they may have been Once or twice they may have amounted to between Sand 40001. but i.et larger. To what other peeving dui you make such payments to, h.- sid -is Mr. Tweedy '—l do not recollect. In making suits payment: to Mr. Twerdy, did Tim copiid,, him as a public Officer, or a private Agent of Lord Mthige —I obeyed Lord Melville's directirms in paying the amoi him, without pretending to emwider whether he was a pony agent or not. Ilad you aim public money traniac:ioni; with Mr. ?lot* otficialv had. __.. • _ Where were those public official transactions recorded' --In the Navy P .y Office. Are the yaw:twins to Mr. Tweedy, by Grml Mehillei refial or.ler, rcc3rdvil there also f—They ars not 'n any instance. Do you know into whose hand. the 409,0001. pawl by Mr. Wi'son doting your abtenee the year 1; 90, yorlases not N asal, was placed only know Lon, the informankAa %die:. Mi. Wdtrut hes even use upon that subject. What was that loroeroation he had pnd the stoney to Lord Melvalle. By when, and at what time, was that money returald have already stared in J•neral ternsa, that l Sete's) it to he returned by Mr. Long; but I can on'y speak with my new knowledge in rrtret to the last payment, whi,h, a. tar .s tin recollect, amounted to 6,000 t., and which w,. returned me by Mr. Long some time in January 17911. At what petite' or perinds was ttte 94,0001. teturned, Ind te whom ?-1 hare ttn fuathct knowledge of the cimiimuaece, I was much in Scotland in the latter eml of i ;54, and in the year 1757, and the repayments weut mete, to the best my knowledge, during my a , Aencei hut 1 its eery certain that the 6,0001. which I re.etvt-J in January 17 , ...11,essinMetrA the full le o aymoot of the 40,1001 . _ W ere any entries mad, us t h e olierabooku of such repay. malts'—None that 1 know og How thrit did yao come to the conflates of the yoysient of ti,uUCl. in January 1709, making tars balance n! the 41,00nt. pad out as befhre stated in the year 1796 L.Foira a knowledge which I have at all times had of the *Luc a:* my balances, by which I must have seen whet any defisisacy Clot may bate exioed was paid op. How came you then not to see the dates of the repayments of loch 31,:001. ?-1 make no doubt that I may have are., use data, but I have no recollection of them whatever. Where were they recorded?—lii my ua ir private books Where are those broass!—•They are the hooks be er:miens tioioel, which I did rod think necessary to preserve. W-re the sums paid to Mr. Tweedy by Loot bftlelle's we bat order ever returned to you, or in any way repaid to the ac count of the Pubic in the Navy Pay (Mee, or to any other fund t—i-They have uninationahly been all repaid to me, and have accounted for the whole of,the .tiny that has barn put under my eharge for Naval fersiees. D.d Lord MeiLlie pay interest to you for such sumsdoring the time thew were in his possession ?—Lord Melville has mid tie inter:we War sums of matey, but not upon those which I have siat,d to have been paid to \lr. Tweedy. Vlrho are Mr. Tweedy's executors'—lie I,ft two sons bat whether they ate he ea-tutors or nut I do not know. Was silt interest paid on the 40..00 I advanced durieg ran Ossetic. b. Mr. Wilson!—None that I know of. Were tne aum• advanced to Mr Tweedy advanced our of the mined fund at Mosses. Crum', or were they advanced ~41 of a fund which cunaisted exdusieely of pubic money net rerol'ect any nth r advances than thus• made out of due snivel fuud at Messrs. C ,utte. What reawnt had yarn for considering that the 40,0001. was aleaucrut out ot the 011,14 more? !..4t oar boni a cvnefal isa peusion wench I, re.:evred from tlic coruntunicali .04 made to um upon this 4thiet r. and I du not know whether (ht. eO,OOOL wat advance.' lions hlortes. Ccolill% or not. Whit toss ha,' beta the total amount or money, described to he advanced at diff,rent times to Mr. Tweedy by order of lewd Mevi•te, as nearly as you can recollect a—The total alhoont of monies of this description, to the twat of try re. esttecti.rn, have nicer, to the whole, exceeded ;39,0001. uotti the sum of 44,0901. was added to it ; but 1 cannot state rid certainty that the w'inte of the IMPS constituting that 50,0001. way 114.ineed 10 M. 'tweedy. To is'irim w.. any poet of the 10,0001. advanced, which was net paid terflet. Tweeds'.-1 havewaready statist, that Ido 'A., recollect. Within venal period of time did these iisties take Oat , —4 mean to rompreheti.l the whole time duriiig which I ICl , '`a Prymasier under Lad Melville, fur 14 or 15 years. Why did von d.mtroy papers in which other arsonist &Mild, wen- i.ept, as well as Lord Melvilles whole of inv aci:ounts were closed upon my leaving Lornlar., excepting scene prirrate faintly concern% and very will - co ant. h. tween my friends aid myself, which I V 0644 forwt Into new hooks. I d.-.ire to state to my former answers 10,0001. of the 30,0001. had accrued afore I was appoint , d my office. $v whom was the 10,0001. advanced not knme. How (Int e , nt know the existence of such • dent '-151 Laid Melville's aekntinicilgtionit to me. To whom did ha acknowledge himself debtor!-.4t office. tLt Of how long standing laid that dabs been bait toowledge of the ciicumttanee. To whom was that 10,0001. repaid '—lt must have beta re. paid to me. In what capacity did yon receive that turn that you had newt advance' !—ln capacity of plimaltu.. Did you then conceive it to be a deft due to the reSlic?-• Idid W.ll any Interest pull upon it '—V.>ne. Fled not Lord Melville made such ackin.ole Igment,rouldivo have utwed such debt due from him to the public, 11l Met Cf the offire-trraiiks ?—I could certitinly have told that the bsliom of the account put under my charge wav so much deficient. WA. Lord Melville debited fur such sum in any of the books ?—He was not. What was the nature of the acknowledgment of Lord title , —Mcr•lv verbal. 13 cl you cm.ceive Mr. Tweedy aeon as a private agent ,f Lord Melville. oc ever aLliiig fur him in tha capaeill •-• "Fi l ! MOO hi; lA 4I EsP ll L. lOll doe'd — Weft r oan j on4+ th u m° 0 a (Jr ' 1504. up tli W We) bulb sow Leduc Lions ciwo rem. 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