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q u o t a. It would be a bad principle )o subject en officer, so air. 4:un wanted, to all the expellee, attaching to the tlue diecharge of functions. Under that improwion he (lend Painters. I ":wanted it right to prevent the occurrence in the present case.— ▪ mend ou which the Court awarde d the small ruin of IDOL • was merely becalm. It considered that Colonel Arthur "*.' hare relieved Colonel Bradley from *treat when he had re duced ; hat Colonel Arthur acted under the aupposition that c ore rnment had not actually done so. but merely contemplated his tono,ol. He hoped the House retold not order the printing t h e petition, under the object ionable circumstances in which it would ▪ restorable imlivklush. • BROUGHA 31 observed, that as helical been engaged pro. ksi i pas ily on the trial, it was his duty to protest against the con „ming of him in his profeaaional character and as a Member o f thii Houe. There war • difference in the case of the Right lion. Gen Gentleman opposite ( he Attorney-General), who was also engaged in the ch u t e. With respect to the accusations which had been etidr wink Cadonel Bradley. the utmost charge brought against Mm, allowing that the decision of the Court was right, did not "want to any greater imputation than the went of judgment. bearing that ftlatlCT out of the question. he thought the House should use before they adopted the rule which had been laid dawn for regulating the receg of petitions—that no charge at. f r eting the Characters of ernpec•able individuals should be printed fo r die :ntormation of 31enthers. Ile tlitt hero mean to assert that highhore were well or founded. nor did ean to dispute the re spectability of the gentlemen against whom the charges wee preferred. As to the conduct of Colonel Arthur, in respect to the seemly which he observed as to the right of exercising the rimmiraion with which he was Invested, he (Mr. Brougham) , 0 ,1 not mean to animadvert on that point ; but he thought that the flouts had no right to refuse that petitions should be received brought up, and laid on the toble, for the information of Members because charges were introduced that retimted on the character or co duct of individuals, however unquestionable their reepectabi. lity might be. As to the case of printing, it rested no the same print tple as the other points to which he had jest ailverted.The idea that such • mode of proceeding would be affording as insidious molt of publishing to the world unfounded ecilsures, was not ex. aetly the fan ; for the printing of the votes of that House did not gin authority to any other posen then the regular 'printer of that Bootie to publish such docinuenta, without rendering the parties no acting liable to enaction for had, as in ordinary Mr. Secretary PEEL did not mean to assert that it was s gene. est Me that petitions, which maligned individuate, should on that account merely not he allowed to be printed but ivhen the courts of law had matte &decision, as in the present instance lead occurred, 'difference should be observed. The petitioner stated that he had made some discovery which inclined him to believe that the Order to which Sir Henry Toner.% had sworn never was in existence. (Hear.) He (Me. Peel) asked the House whether it was likely that Sir Henry Torrens anti Sir Herbert Taylor, men of high ho. sou r, would descend to go into a court of justice on such an occa sion as was alleged, and perjure themselves. People frequently adopted the made of petiuoning that House, in artier to get a ea ten mode of bringing forward charges which were founded on 0- .We pique. The House should discourage such proceedings ; and he hoped that they would oppose the petition on the present oc casion. The petition was than ordered toles braught op. On the goes. tion. that it be read, Mr. HUME observed, that in his opinion it was right that the commission to Colonel Arthur should have been published for rite taermation of all concerned. As that was cot done, he thought that these was a great excuse for Col. Bradley, who had acted in ignorance of what should have been communicated to him. Ile hoped that it would be :weed by the House that all the petition about, not only be read, but also printed, in order that all persons should know the truth or falsehood of die allegations. (SirROBERT WILSON having made some suggestion,which we did not fully bear, we believe concerning the appointment of a committee), Mr. HGME resumed, and said he had no objection to withdraw each parts of the petition as were deemed MR-naive to the indivi duals collaterally isunwluced into it. Mr. Secretary PEE', agreed to the proposal. Apr. BUTTERWORTH made some observation na to the sub erriptioo, the_purport of which we could not hear. bard PALMERSTCEN said it was not 'requisite for superior officers to show to inferiors their authority for acting. As to the charge that Col. Arthur did non consider hiiiiself as commandant at the date, he begged leave to reed a letter sent by that gentleman at the time. The letter ;fated that he had been appointed com mandant, and that he still retained (he situation. Mr. BROUGHAM wished so tnow what cause the Hon. Member for Dover (Mr. Butterworth! had for suspeciing that Cal. Bradley was a party to the subscription. He thought the House should consider that in proceedings against -public func tionaries plaintiffs were subjected to greater expenses, and if succeseful in the result, it was exceedingly wrong that they should be debarred of costa by the interference of Government. it would be better for the good of society that protection should not be so furnished to persons alio had committed themselves so far as to be deemed legally rubjeet to penalties. The ATTORNEY-ft ENERAL denied that Government ever afforded such protection, aialeas where the individosis deserved the exercise of that Interference. With respect to Col. Arthur, that gentleman had been removed before the trial, and was subsequently seat out, not with the intention of preventing the plaintiff from getting damages, and of involving him in costs, but in consequence of artangrnients which rendered such a step advisable. Tne petition war thee withdrawn. BETTERING THE CONDITION OF SLAVES. Mr. BROUGHAM said, that in consequence of the absence of the lUght Hen. tsecrstaty of State, who was unable to attend in the Douse that night, he intended to postpone his motion for the Bet tering the Condition of tilaves. Under such circumstances he took it for granted that there would be no objection to such an arrange. 'rept u would cause his motion to be the first on Friday the 19th, if the Right Hon. the Attorney-General would not give him the emortunim en Thuesday the 18th. The ATTOR NEY-16 E:y ERA 1, declined. _ _ After • few words from Mr. fIUbILISSON and the ATTOIt- NEV-GENERAL. Mr. BROUGHAM deferred his motion to Friday, the lilds of May. ANTI-SLAVERY. Pee wino Slavery were pre%ented, by Lord Nugent from Aylrfbury t by Alr. Cakraft from Bradford in Dorsetolfire, and by 31r. Wilmot Horton from Fenn Swofford. CASE OF MK. BUCKINGHAM. Ltnd JOHN RUSztELI. moved that the Select Committee ap- pointed to inquire into and report to the !louse on the petition of Junes Silk Buckingham should be empowered to send for persons, papers, and records. . _ 31r. C. W.W.W YNN said he took this opportunity of making a few innervations on the course pursued by a Noble Lord opposite (Lord J. Russell) in reference to the petition of Mr. Buckingham. lie thought the House would , agree with him, that if the practice obtained of moving that petitions should be referred to Select Consuiittees without giving any previous notice of such an intention, it would produce the greatest inconvenience. As the petition pre sented by the Noble Lord was that of an individual complaining of personal hardships, he (Mr. Wynn) would not oppose it, but he thought It his duty to state his, opinion on the very unusual man ner in which the motion was made. If be was rightly informed, node' bad been given to lion. fientlemen on the other side of the !louse, of the Noble Lord's intention of moving for a Meet Corn kid'', but when it was notified to him (Me. Wynn) and to other Gentlemen at his side of the House, that it was the Noble Lord's intention to present the petition, the possibility was not even suggested that the Noble Lord would go further ; and from his knowledge of the courtesy which the Noble Lad uniformly practised In the discharge of bill duty in that House, lie (Mr. Wynn) could not have believed that the Noble lntd had intended to move for refining the petition toe Select t ommitee. Such a course, he repeated, would be found to pro. duce the roost serious inconvenience. It was impossible diet Right ilsormalsk Gentlemen could be always in their places (hear); and it motions*/ this kind were made wi.hout notice, It would lead to ouch itreguivrity. In conclusion he should only say, that he WGskl not more that the order should be rescinded, though the tourre pursued would have justified him in doing so ; but he should certainly oppose the appointment of the Committee named by the Noblr Lord, because he conceired It was unfairly constituted. Gland DAVIES defended the conduct of his Noble Friend J. Russell). lie denied that Honourable Members at his side of the Howe bad received any further novice than that which the Right Honourable Gentleman opposite (Mr. Wynn) was in Porsauton of. Lord MILTON Paid the Right Honourable Gentleman's (3lr. Wimp) sole objection was, that there had not been an opportunity to send out the Treasury notes. (Hear, and laughter.) Mr. HOBIIO,SsE denied basing received any other notice from the Noble Lord, besides that which had been given to Honourable Gen.lemen at the other side of the House. Ile appealed to the recollection of the House, whether the statement of the Right Ilonourable Gentleman (Mr. Wynn) was home out by puha. minter, usage. The strongest reformer could not have drawn • more disgraceful picture of the proceedings of the House than that held op to the country by the Itigiu Honourable Gentleman. ((Hear.) What was the Right Honourable Gentleman's doctrine? That because the Ministerial benches were not tilled at a particular hour, oo motions of importance should be brought forward ; anti if by an/ strange accident Honourable Gentlemen at his (Mr. 11ot:i -leum a) tide carried a motion, it should he decided neat day, when the Ministerial benches were full. There was no chance of carry . Mg any motions at his side of the House , except by those odd acct. dents (laughter); and when they occurred, really they (the opPne iinfi) ()Welt to be allowed to take advantage of them. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQI'EIi Paid that the Kieliet of giving notices of motions was not made fur one side of the House nor foe another, but was equally convenient to both. Weer.) If Ministers came down and took Gentlemen at the other side of the House by sarprise, those Honourable Gentlemen would complain bitterly, and with justice. It trust he admitted that it am not the ordinary practice to call upon the (louse to decide upon 4, 1 question of importance without giving notice. If it became the practice to move for referring petitions to Select Committees eiltaut notice, it would evidently lead to incessant wrangles. ll'hen the Noble Lord was moving on Mr. Buckinghaneti petition, be (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) had come down to the House, and upon being informed that the House war still engaged on peti tions, he was candid enough to confess that he had turned bark. Mr. C.% L . RAFT did not think it at all necei.ary to give notice that Ministers might till their benches. It was only by a sudden movement that any thing attempted at his (Mr. Cal raft's) side of the Ilimse, for the public benefit, could succeed. Mr. INOCUUAII said, that when this quer . inn was under discussion before, an Honourable and Learned Gentleman froth Doc:ore Comment (Dr..Phillitoore), bad occupied the House at some length ; and 'whilst the Honourable and Learned Gentle. man was engaged In covering n considerable Space, at the period of 11114 exercitation a number of Honourable Gentlemen were seen croardiug in to the other aide of the House. (Laughter.) These flonoutuble Members *ere not, like the Chancellor of the Exche. quer, seared by hearing that the petitions of his Majesty ' s *Neva were being presented. Tkey crowded in whilst the Honourable and Learned Gentleman was discussing the suhject; and many Honourable Gentlemen at his (Mr. Itrougbam'a) aide of the !loose took that oppottunity of departing. However, lie believe.% that the ;widely to vote upon that question was caused. in • great many instaneea, by the great impresaion which Mr. Buckingham's case had excited. Ile had no doubt t h at a vety general feeling pre vailed that he Was alt injured man, or at least that he had been visited with a hard measure of justice. Dr. ' , HI lAA MORE declared that the observations with which he had troubled the House on a former occasion Were not (hewed by any considerations connected with the div sion. Ile thought the friends of Mr. Buckingham, under pretence of advocating his cause, hvi carried on an attack on Mr. Adam, who was one of the most valuable servants the East India C )+any ever had. (Hear.) That gentleman's death had left It impossible that he could make his own defence; and his (Dr. Phi:Haines% observations were in. tended to clear that estimable gentleman's memory front the in sinuations thrown out against him. Mr. BROUGHAM said that the motion should never have had his support, had he conceived that it was intended by it to convey an attack on Mr. Adam, who he believed was a very estimable gentleman. lie should not have supported his Noble Friend's motion, had he supposed that it could have been even construed to have such an intent. _ Dr. PIIII.LIMORE explained. He did not attribute to the Noble Lord the intention of attacking Mr. Adaiii'a conduct. Lord J. RUSSELL, said he had not given any other notice to his own side of the House, but that which he had given to Minis tent. Indeed, it was impossible he could have done so, because his mind was not made op as to the course he should pursue, until a *here time before he had made his motion. However, he was distinctly.of opinion that it was competent for any Hon. Member' to make sorb a motion, without any other notice than he had given. If the practice of giving notice on all occasions was rigidly observed, he should consider it a great disadvantage to the weaker side of the House. because it would serve as a ',Jetting to the representatives of Downing street to come down to vote. It was most desirable, in his opinion, that those only should vote who listened to the discussion on any motion. (Hear.) Mr. Buckingham's case was long before the public; many Members had voted with him (Lord J. Russell) who were not in the habit of voting with the Opposition, and this proved tbat the motion Was nett tarried by a trick. As to the observations of the lion. and Learned Gentleman (Dr. Phillimore), he (Lord J. Rusell) seleemlydischtimed any intention of casting an imputation upon Mr. Adam's character. Before he had made himself master of the case, he had refined to interfere in it, from a respect to AD. Adams's chancier, end respect for his connexions; but having entered into the case, he thought he should not do his duty, if re spect for any individual, or airy family, prevented hint from bring ing it before the House. Innonclusion he would remark, that whilst he had the honour of holding a seat in that House, he should al ways feel he had the privilege of bringing on any question, without giving an opportunity to Alinistefx to send out their notes, and bring down their pack. Mr. HUMP: said that Mr. Buckingham now sought redress for the destruction of his property, which minted under the govern ment of Lord Amherst, when Mr. Adam was absent hems ill health. That Gentleman was therefore no party to the MO:vice, nor was his character in any degree involved in it. Mr. ASTELL said the grievance complained of was the re. moral of Mr. Buckingham hoot Lobe ; but that and all the other severities which were inflicted on him were brought on by his own misconduct. He stated that his property in the newspaper was worth 40,0001., and it appeared that the paper had but 2,000 sub. scribeis. He (Mr. Astell) acquitted the Noble Lord of any feeling of disrespect to the memory of Mr. Adam, than whom there could not have been a more amiable man. The SOLICITOR-GENERAL said that had he understood it was the Noble Lords intention to move for %Select Committee, he should have thought it his duty to express the grounds upon which he dissented front such a proposition. Mr. Buckingham's case had been already before the India Directors; it had been minutely this. cuvsed, and the decision was against him. The course now witted of kritging it before the House, after it had been argued as a chin] upon the East India Company, was at least anusual, and contrary to the ordinary practice. The motion was then agreed to, and the House proceeded to ap point the Committee. Lord MILTON said that the names selected by his Noble Friend were chosen alternately from both sides of the House. (Hear). . . LonIJOHN RUSSELL said he should certainly olte,;ect to having the Members of the Board of Control, or any of the East India Directors, on the Committee, because they had already de cided against Mr. Buckingham, and could not come to the Com mittee with impartial feelings. Mr. Secretary PEEL , thought nothing could he more unfair titan the mode in which the Noble'Lord's Committee was conati. tuned. There were three Members only on his (Mr. Peel's) side of the House, and thirteen on the Noble Lord'. aide. There was Mr. Wynn, Mr. Astell, and Dr. Philliniore. at the Ministerial side ; and on the other side there were the Noble Lord, Mr. Trans, who made a speech in favour of Cie motion, Lord Nugent, Mr. Hohhouse, Mr. J. Smith, Mr. flume, Mr. Spring Rice. &e. &c. lie protested he had never seen any Cumntittee constituted with less apparent impartiality. Mr. HUME was quite surprised that the Right lion. Gentleman ( Mr. Peel) should impute unfairness to the Noble Lord, when it was recollected how Ministers constituted their committees. On the question regarding the currency of Scotland, which gave rise to so notch discussion in the early part of the Sessioa, a Committee was appointed consisting of twenty-one persons, of whom three only could realty be said to belong to Scotland. de did not name the Lord Advocate, because he was an official man ; but the three Scotch Members were—Lord. A. Hamilton, Mr. Campbell, and Me. Modes. All the other Members of the Committee were known to entertain determined opinions as to the propriety of ex tending the proposed measure to Scotland which was the subject for inquiry. He had taken a note of this at the time, and after the appointment of such a Committee by Ministers, he thought it hard that his Noble Friend should he charged with partiality. There were only the three Members whose names he had already men flatted en that Committee of twenty-one, whose opinions were at all doubtful. There was the Chancellor of the Exchequer, of whose sentiments there could be no doubt. There was Mr. Secretary Peel, who was quite decided in his opinion.— Mr. Secretary PEEL said, across the table, that he had never given any opinion. Mr. HUME resumed.—lle had taken a note of all the Members of the Committee at the time. It was preposterous, therefore to charge his Noble Friend with having made a partial selection. In. deed, he could not have premeditated any thing of the kind ; his success was unexpected to himself as well as to others, and the list had been placed in his hands without his having ha d time to read it. (Item., hear, from the Ministerial benches.) Mr. Secretary PEEL begged to be allowed to say a few words in explanation. He certainly entertained a strung opinion as to the propriety of extending the regulations respecting the currency to Scotland, but he bad never expressed his opinion to that effect In the House. It was surprising, therefore, that the Hon. Gentleman, who claimed so much credit for the correctness of his calculations, should have taken a note of his (Mr. Peel's) decision, though be had never expressed any such decision. (Hear, hear.) Now, as to the manner in which the Comniittee on the Scotch and Irish cur rency was constituted, the Hon. Member for Aberdeen could only find three Scotchmen upon it, but be (Mr. Peel) believed he could point nut more than three who were intimately connected with Scotland, on that Committee. There was Mr. Campbell, Mr. Abercromby, Lord A. Hamilton, Mr. Dundas, Mr. Gordon, and Mr. Grant. There were six gentlemen bekmging to Scotland, and It was to be considered that the Committee had to inquire into the Irish as well as the Scotch currency. It was necessary, therefore, that some gentlemen connected with that country should be mem. bees of it. It was thought necessary that some English !Bernina ' should beon it. On the whole, he thought the Hon. Gentleman (Mr. ' flume) was not happy in referring to the Committee on the Scotch and Irish currency, tor he Mitered there had never been a Com mittee more impartially constituted. (Hear.) Mr. TRANT, with great warmth, denied that he would go into Committee on Mr. Buckingham's case with any bias on his mind. He spurned the imputation which the Right Honourable Secretary wanted to throw upon him. Mr. Secretary PEEL explained. lie had thrown no imputation on the Honourable Gentleman ' • he Merely stated that the lion. Member spoke in favour of the Noble Lord's motion. Mr. SCA LETT said there could be no object in placing per. sons on the Committee who were opposed to iuquiry, and had voted against it. (Hear.) Such a proceeding could only be intended to stifle inquiry. He had voted for inquiry without any knowledge of the facts, and Members who did so he thought would be more likely to come to the investigation without prejudice. Mr. W. WYNN then moved that the following names should be added to the Committee:—Mr. Stuart, alr. W. Peel, Mr. Law. ley, Lord Granville Somerset, Sir E. Hyde East, Mr. R 041., Mr. Wellesley. and Col. Lushington. Lord J. RUSSELL objected to the insertion of the name of Lord Granville Somerset ; but upon the suggestion of Mr. Wynn withdrew nis opposition, and the above names were added to the Committee. EXPORTATION OF MACHINERY. Mr. HU:it rose to move for leave to bring in a Bill relating to the exportation of machinery. LThe noise occasioned by Mem. bets leaving the House prevented us from distinctly can hang the first sentences which fell from the lion. Gentleman.l When the noise had anhaided, we understood him to allude to what had taken place In a Committee appoin'etl some time since, to inquire into the suhject. It had been proved that a long course of training and great practice were necessary, to form able and efficient artisans in the manufacture of machinery. It had been proved that by the export of machinery we should have opened to us an extensive market throughout Europe. It was proved that the prohibiting laws now in force were rendering foreign nations independent of us, who would otherwise be entirely dependent. It was also proved, the lion. Gentleman said, that the more important machines, such as steam engines, were exported, notwithstanding the law. h ap. peered from petitions on the table, that the artisans were fn want of employment, and many individuals bordering on a state of starva tion. The master manufacturers stated that they could get orders from foreign countries to any amount ; but if the machinery wu manufactured, they must send it claedestinely out of the country, and they were therefore unwilling to undertake any foreign orders. Ile was aware that considerable prejudice hail prevailed in the country with respect to this measure; but he was happy to state, that year after year the more the question was discussed the more that prejudice was remo►ed. There were but very hew persons who THE BRITISH PRESS . . did Dot now consider that It would be better to afford employment to our artisans in this cautery, titan to shoos than to go abroad tit seek employment elsewhere. It was on that ground that he thought the House would be acting wisely to permit the exporta tion of machinery, by which employment would be given to a numerous hotly of mtianalics. who were now in a aisle of starve.; lion, and who, without some means being afforded them of main. raining themselves, must he soon driven to such it state of deans. tuition as either to resort to the poor's-rates of their parish or to emigrate. At the present moment inducements were held out to persuade our beat anima% to leave the country, in order to be em ployed in France and elnewhere to manufacture machinery. The knowledge of this fact was why he. in the early period of the Session, had so anxiously premed it upon the President of tholloard of Trade, to introduce a law to empower the exportation of machinery. He was nor, boomer. at that period aware of the state to winch the meth:lairs were reduced ; if he had been, he should certainly have moved the repeal of the present restrictions on that branch of our trade. Since, however, Ruch was the dia. , tressed state of the machiniat at present, he hoped the House would, even at thin late period of the Session, give him permission to introduce a Bill for that purpose. If it should appear that there were any otueciions on the part of those master machinists to the measure, and if hie motion should give rise to any unpleasant feelings in any part of the conntry, he should not in that case con sider it right to press the Bill through the House during the pre sent Session. (Hear, hear.) Under the existing state of the artisans, it would be extremely bard for the House to remain deaf to the pr . f the petition which he held in his hand. and which was, that the machinists should have their labour placed on the same tooting with the outer labourers of the country. He hoped the public would benelit by such a measure; and as far as regarded the feelings of those who employed these men, he thought lie could appeal to the Vice-President of the Board of Control. whether the whole of the evidence adduced before the Committee that had been appointed on a former occasion to inquire into this subject, did not favour the measure which he (Mt. hums) now contemplated. Convinced as he was that, the good would be immense to the aril sane of this country if the Bill lie proposed should be carried, and that the difficulties that existed on the Continent in the way of any competition being successfully maintained against England were so many and PO great, that ;here was no serious ground for appre hension on the part of this country in that respect, he should move for leave to bring in a Bill to repeal so much of the Act of fith Geo. IV. chap. Ib7, as related to the exportation of tools and machinery. Mr. UI'SKISSON—After what the Honourable Gentleman hid stated, that in cam there should appear to exist, on the pert of those who were interested in the question, a disposition to oppose his proposition, he should not feel himself justified in pressing hia measure, lie (Mr. Iluskisson) should not object to the Bill being brought in. He however apprehended, that unless a very corm derable change of opinion in some of the districts where machinery was principally manufactured, with reapect to the consequences which might ensue from the abrogation of the present law which restricted the exportation of machinery, the introduction of this Bill would excite a very strong feeling. lie would remind the lion. Gentleman (Mr. Hume), that when his lion. Friend the Mentbsr for Nottingham (Mr. Birch) presented a petition front dif ferent master machinists of Nottingham, against the exportation of machinery, a discussion took place on the subject, the result of which was, that it was considered that an unrestricted exportation would not be beneficial to the manithicturing interests, but that it 'meld probably be very prejudicial to this country ; and in conse. quence of this declared opinion on the part of the House. the Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Hume) declined bringing forward any motion upon the subject, upon the understanding that a power should de volve upon the Board of Trade to relax the law, in cases in which it might be done without prejudice. To the beat of their judg ment that Board had exercised this power where they conceived by doing so it would he beneficial to those who were engaged in this useful branch of British industry. He was quite aware that at one period, such was the demand fur machinery trout abroad, that all the artisans in this country were not adequate to supply the orders that were received. If at that time they bad repealed those laws restricting exportation, they would have brought the British manu facturer into a competition with foreign nations upon the most dis advantageous terms. It was unfortunately true that the very reverse of that state of things now existed. There might be a considerable number of our ingenious artisans nut of employ. How far that cur. cunistance might create a different view of the subject on the part of the master manufacturers who were in the habit of employing machinery, anti also of the newer machinists, he could not predict. He thought, therefore, this Bill might be allowed to go forth into the country, in order to ascertain what was the feeling ertertained on the subject ; and if tliere should appear to be any feelins; adverse to the repealing of the present law, he should feel it his duty, how. ever he might wish to regulate the trade and manufactures of the country upon one broad and general principle, in the present stateof things, to oppose the fetcher progress of the measure. He wished to avoid creating, in the existing state of the country, any alarm or excitement among those person, who might suppose their interests would be affected by the aheratinn proposed to be introduced by ' the Hon. Gentleman ; it wait, therefore, upon the distinct under standing that the lion. Gentleman had pledged himself not to press the measure it there's/ere anyinelhiposition minted towards it by the country, that he (Mr. Iluakimmo) was willing to make the experinicit, in order to ascertain whether any such feelings did exist. Believing, as he did, that there was such a feeling, he should, under the circumssonera of the country, consider it his duty to oppose it; inasmuch as he thought it would be a source err considerable excitement if they were without any limitation, and in opposition to such feeling to allow the present low to be repealed. Mr. BIRCH did not conceive there was any use at all io bringing in such a Bill as the Honourable Member for Montrose proposed. It was impossible to calculate that the Bill would pass in the foment Session, even if there should be no opposition to it. ‘Vhy then bring the subject before the public, which must nem& eerily excite very unpleasant feelings? It would be better to post pone it to the next Session, when more quiet and prosperous times , would allow them to (Incur it without the danger of any undue excitement. The evidence that had been alluded to was strong ex parte evidence. It consisted only or the testimony of two or three great machine-makers resident in London ; there was not a single person connected with the great machine factories in the country brought before the Committee. Such imperfect evidence could not therefore be altogether relied upon as the ground-work of any legislative measure. Mr. LITTLETON observed, that whatever might be the real merits of the question, he thought there could be only one opinion as to the impropriety of agitating it at the present moment (hese., hear), accompanied as it would inevitably be with the most serialist and alarming consequences. The evidence of the Committee wets to every way defectives There were great mschiniata in Nottiagur ham, Leicester, Glasgow, and Birmingham; and surely it was right that the opinions of those individuals should be obtained upon so important a question? Had they the opinions of 31esars.Robson and Watkins, who were makers of the most important machines in this kingdom? No; and yet he had reason to believe that their opinions were by no means favourable to an unlimited exportation of machi nery. It was true that, in the presertstate of the law, some machinery made here found its way to foreign countries; and it was well known that when such machinery was out of repair, the manufac turers were obliged to resort to this country for the necessary re. pairs to be done, and that the copies which they made of those machines were extremely defective. lie was assured of this by a person who had been employed to investigate the subject abroad. But these imitations would not continue to be done in that partial and imperfect manner if large and general exportation should be allowed ; for if such should tte permitted, it would be soon found that Bridal' capital and British science would follow the machinery, and produce effects the most destructive to the interests of the country. 111 r. PH ILL( P:;—Certainly, if the country were arrived at that period in which English artisans could not support themselves by their labour for want of adequate employment, and that such cot ployinent might be afforded them, if machinery were allowed to be exported. lie thought that in humanity the exportation of machi. nery ought to be permitted. But he understood, from information he had obtained, that that description of persons were the very last men in the country likely to be driven to such a predicament. He thought the immediate effect of giviug permission to export meld nery would be not to give additional employmeut to the artisana. but would induce persons to sell machinery now unemployed at the moat ruinous prices. He would recommend his Han. Friend (Mr. Hume) to revive the Committee or. this subject next Session, in order that they might understand the subject more fully than ea present. Mr. lIUSKISSON rose to suggest whether, as there was to chance, under any circumstances, of carrying the measure through in the present Session, it would nut be better for the lionourabla Gentleman to postpone his Bull till the next Session, Mr. Secretary PEEL hoped the Honourable Gentleman would consent to withdraw his motion. If he would but consider the state of the country, to must see that this was not exactly the time to bring in such a Bill. The Honourable Gentleman had himself said, that if he found objections raised to it by practical men, he would not press it. He (Mr. Secretary Peel) did entreat the lion. Gentleman not to withdraw practical men from their own concerns under their present circumstance's Such men could not look dis passionately to the subject at dui moment. Even it he (Mr. Secre tary Peel) were an advocate of the 'Demure, he thought he could not be giving better advice. Ile implored the Honourable Gentlemen to consent that, during the protein excitement of the public mind, the proposition should be postponed. ' Captain MADER Ll' said, that although he had seconded the motion. he had no objection to its postponement. Mr. HUME said, his object in bringing the measure forward was to afford relief to a large portion of valuable artisans ; he could have no personal interest in the subject. (Hear.) It was only from a desire to see the broad principle which had been recently acted upon by the House, carried into effect in all branches of industry ; but, as it appeared to be the opinion that he should be adding to the agitation of the country, instead of giving relief to it, he had Ito de. sire to persevere in his motion ; and should therefore, in compli. anee with the feelings of the House, though against his own con viction, withdraw it. It; however, he should have a mat in the next Parliament, he took this opportunity of giving a sort of general notice of again bringing forward the subject. The motion was then withdrawn. I Al PORTATI ON OF CORN BILL. The order of the day for the second reading of ilk Bill having been read, Sir T. LETHBRIDGE rose and said, he should not long de tain the House, as there was nothing which he could say on the subject, unless it was to repeat the arguments he had already ad. dreamed to them. But at the same time he must declare his dissent against the second reading of this Bill. His first objection was, that the measure it embraced militated against theameral princi ple of the Corn Laws ; and the second abjection 11£bad ro it was, that it was a meuare wholly uncalled for. He thought the argument which the President of the Board of Trads(Wilaskisson Addressed to the Member for Montrose,for the pnatponement of his niii, was quite is applicable for the postponement, at least, of the Bill before the House, viz., that the opinions of those interested ice the subject litadonot been sufficiently ascerta:ned, and that it would create con. 'aiderable excite:pent in different parts of the country. The Hod. Baronet shell urged the arguments which he had tiattl on a former occasion, both against the principle and the necessity of the present measure, and eoncludet by declaring hie intention to divide the (horse upon theoquestion for the second reading. Sir %V. %V. WYNN had thought that his Majesty . % 3linisters had brought forward this measure rather precipitately ; blot as the majority of the House did not agree in that opinion, he certainly should erne for the second reading of the Bill, as he considered it to be a measure that would ito credit to the House, as showing that they frit tar the elistreeoes of the manufacturing population; tor whose relief he was quite wiling to mi4e a sacrifice. Colonel WOOL) was surly to hear that the Member for Ramer eehthire meant to take the sense of the house upon thin question, because he (Col. Wood) did not think the tense which they all meant to serve would be benefited by the repeated divisions upon the subject. Both in and out of the (louse they were doing them. selves harm by it. If the Bill were pressed, he should certainly vote for the second reading. (Hear, hear.) lie erg:awed the Secre tary - of State for Foreign Allaira was not in his place, as he (Colonel Wood) should have taken itie opportunity of explaining a sort of charge which tie Bight Hon. lien:le:nen had brought against hint of having changed his opinion. Under the circum %toners he beg. - ^d to say, that he could not have accompanied the Right Hon. Gentleman into a Court of Jusnce to be his crmrptir. ' odor an this occaaion. At present he could only say, that. to con vince the House he had not changed his opinion, he should pro pose, when the Bill went into Committee, that tiss. should he the price for foreign corn under the duty at prawns levied by the Corn Law. Ile hoped he should succeed in carrying this point, ahich would make a most material alteration. If there were a fixed duty, he was sure it would be found necessary, in case of a scarcity, to have recourse to the House, in order to reduce or to repeal the duty. The scheme of a fixed duty appeared to him, therefore, less tenable than the present system of the Corn Laws. But he had read Mr. Jacob's report, front which he learned that there was no corn to come here when the ports were open ; there were only 500,000 quarters in the ports of the Baltic ; if there should be a bud harvest on the Continent, therefore, we should suffer as much from fluctuation of prices as now. if there should happen a year of plenty prices would be necessarily low ; but if there should be a deficient season, no act of legislation could pre vent high price.. The plan of a graduated stair of prices was also attended with insuperable difficulties. It therefore was his opinion that the present system of Corn Laws, modified by fixing the duties and the importation price as low as possible, was the best system that could be adopted. 31r.8.% NK ES wished to consider some objections which attended this measure in its modified form, for it had undergone consider. able changes since its lino introduction. 3linisters had done well in departingisrom the idea of admitting corn without any consider ation of price or quantity, at a duty of 12s. per quarter. Such a measure could never have satisfied the country ; hut if 3linistera had made out the danger likely to arise from high prices, which he (Mr. Bankes) controverted on their own showing, they ought to have proceeded on their own responsibility, as had been done in 1766, instead of bringing the question under public discus slam His first objection was. that they ought not to meddle with the Corn Laws at all; Ministers ought, at least, to show more necessity beyond what they had as yet produced. On the lII.h :Hoy (I:overflown, thought it inexpedient to meddle with the question. But since that time they had drawn new arguments from the east winds Daughter) ; they might exclaim, "et conjured veniuet classics venti." He would ask what effect did his Majesty's Ministers expect from that measure ? Did they hope that it would lower the markets in any degree ? Suppose the markets were lowered 0 or 10 shilling., was there any one would say that such or even a greater reduction of prices would afford relief to the manufac turers. Ministers had never explained how they expected this mea. sure to operate in relieving the poor. If they had not the means of buying, it was evident they could have no corn. He hoped that Ministers would condescend to state their opinions on this point, in a plain and sensible manner, and nut with what had been justly termed by ao Hon. Member, solemn nonsense about moral effect. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER commenced by saying that he felt great satisfection in obeerving, that although many gentlemen had, in the course of the present discussions, ex- Ppressed themselves with warmth, yet no undue eaeernese or via. ence had been manifested on the eubject ; and althiingh the Ilan. Member for Somerset hoped that the question would be treated more warmly elsewhere, he (the Chanceller) could not see why the prospect of an eager discussion elsewhere ought to disturb the even tenor of their way, without which it would be impossible to arrive at a satisfactory conclusion. He wished to make a few remarks, but not at any great length, because the question had already been discussed, not only 11 its general ;nerd., but also in its circumstances of time and mode. But the lion, Gentleman (Mr. Bankes) bad enumerated sore insuperable ceejectione, al though he allowed that the meneure had been well modified. The first objection of the lion. Member wag; that the conduct of Go vernment was inconsistent; but that was rather an argument against frevemment—it was an orgumentum ad hondnem; but although the conduct of Government were inconsistent. yet the measure might be a good one. lie would. nevertheless, deny the alieg:d incen , siatency of Ministers. The Right Hanover:Ste Gentleman then yin ; dicated the conduct of Government in resofting to the present mea -1 sure, after declining to entertain the general topic of the Corn Law,. The discussion of so important a question ; in the hot session of Parliament, could not lead to a satisfactory result : the temper in which it had been taken up had been often manifested; many peti tions on the Corn Laws had been presented On both sides of the question, which had frequently led to bye-battles in an angry spirit. Under such circumstances it would not have been prudent to introditee the question of the Corn Laws. But; oh the other hand, it was not inconaistent in Ministers to call on the House to sanction a measure of a merely temporary nature. But some had said it would be better if his ,Majesty's Ministers had dote nothing; diet they ought to take the responsibility on themselves, and use what he was astonished to hear some lion. Gentlemen call the Royal prerogative. That power of suspending the taw wns viewed by hint with much more dread. But suppo.e 'Pat Events similar to those which took place in the year 1016 were note to take place— the corn rose to a high price, and that Government used the power alluded to—would not their conduct be arraigned in consequence P What would lion. Gentlemen say ? Would they not complain' that Ministers had called them together to afford them indemnity, and to discuss the whole question of the Corn Laws, after they had been found inadequate to meet every emergency ? In such a situa tion such a measure would be pointed out as preferable. His Hon. Friend said then, that he wished Ministers to show how the mea sure could be productive of any Roost. Ministers had never brought foil/aid this measure as a panacea ; they never said that the distress arose out of the Corn Laws ; in tact, it could no more arise from the Corn Laws than from s common road bill; but at the same time, while there were thousands living on a scanty eubeistenet, and many more who had not even this slight resource, but were supported by the poor laws, woe there sny one who would say that the price of cern was of no interest, or that this measure might not avert a great deal of calamity and distress ? (Hear, hear.) No one wou d say that it was indifferent whether wheat was at tels. or 80e, or at • moderate price, such as was sure to follow the present measure. lie did think, if ever there was a case in which the excesses of men ought to be CAM aside and pitied, it was in the present instance. The people were driven to excess by misery, but he ventured to assert that there was no bad feeling about them ; and he thought it would be the extremity of fear, a proof of cowardice in Ministers, if they abstained from adopting some measures to mitigate the suf. ferings of the people. Nor did it appear to him that Ministers had manifested any undue apprehenniews. The military force em ployed had been first adequate to give confidence to the possessors of property, and to cause the quick eubsidence of tumult and disorder. His Honourable Friend had talked sneeringly of the phrase " moral effect," He (the Chancellor of the Exche quer) did not know who had made use of that expstssion ; but at the same time he could not see why it was ridiculous to the endeavour to relieve the distresses of the manufacturing poor, to soften their feelings, and to prevent others from working their mind, into a state of exasperation, so as to bring about dan gerous political combinations. If in this endeavour he could con vince the people, through the medium of their feelings, that Government did not disregard their happiness and comfort, he would not shrink from adopting the expression, nor would lie deny the influence, of moral effect. His Ilonoarable Friend thought that the measure was brought forward in consequence of petitiama but in the extract which the Honourable Gentleman had read, he (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) did not see any thing which could be found fault with; they ought not to be influenced by the feelings of petitioners, but neither ought they to be angry. because men mistakingly ascribed their dismss to the operation of the Corn Laws. But the landed interest appeared to imagine it was their duty to exert all their strength to prevent the passing of that measure ; yet they were the people that ought ta do an. After an attentive consideration of the Corn Laws, though obliged to lament the necessity of them yet he admitted their neces enmity. But there would be found by a reference to the Reports of the Committees of 1821 and 1822, on the Corn Laws, several hints and recommendafirms, evidently cos"emplating a final end total revision of the whole system of Corn Laws. The landed interest could not take a course more likely to prejudice the question than that which they had chosen ; yet he was sure that there were man; there who would take the sensible advice of his lion . Friend, the Member for Brecon, who though he had a deep interest in the question, declared that he would vote for the second reading, and take an opportunity afterwards of considering the nuelitications of which it was susceptible. He hoped that the House would follow the example of his Hon. Friend and of the llots. Baronet (Sir Watkins Wynn) who sat behind him. Ile hoped they would not refuse to place in the hands of Ministers what might be the means of doing much good, and Which could not be productive of any imaginable mischief. Lord CLIFTON feared that the measure would only serve to sanction the vulgar that the distresses originated in themselves. He knew the difficult situation of Ministers. They had a choice of evils. On those grounds, he would vote for the measure. Mr. BENETT was surprised that, when the distresses of the people were so often adverted to, no attempt was made to explain their causes; but he considered that they might all be referred to the tampering with the currency. The relief which was intended to be given by the Bill before the House, to the manufacturers, would not be effected without paper money. The cheapness of cum was no consolation to the poor when they bad no wages to purchase It. Mr. WODE HOUSE supported the opinions of the Member for Bream (Col. Wood.) Mr. STANLEY rose solely for the purpose of giving notice, that it was his intention to move in the Committee, a clew to to cm. power the local Committees, es producing certificate* of having purchased warehoused corn for the purpose of distributing tr, to recover the duty of 12s. beim the Treasury. ng ir the S ma l. n : y . K op N in A io r ns C a ll nd flU r f o r iet lr t e , x : r h ee k e h ed vo lt t i l e il e bt onvie ne r ed i t n ha th t e a c m ? o z. mittie. it would be im p”PAIMS tI) arrive at a satisfactory concluemn. He was glad to hear the pmpnsition of hie Hon, Fi lend with had boa sat down, and eencludtel by declaring that be would vote easiest the second reading. Lord MILTON einveidered tlie Com Laws as • sole only cal culated for fair weather, and Miff( to remain under unfavourable cireutnetancee; they intetrupteli totntrarcial intercourse, nod he wag convinced that it would be necesaery at last to settle them on tlut prlneaple of free trade. If the present rneeeure could not prevent tli)treas, it certainly would prevent an aggravation of ha calami ties; and titan he believed was the sole intention of Ministers; bit other designs were ascribed to them for bringing forward the meA. sure at present. Ile gave Ministede the credit of their declarations; of all classes the landed interest had letexe reason to complain. His Honourable Friend. the Member for raVerfey, said no; bwt her would tell him why he would say yes. He would ask. who were the instigators of the late war ? (Loud cries of No, mei Ile would not be put down by cries; by the war they had made their f.wtunr, and now they complained If their rents were threatened with c reduction of two shillings an acre. At the name time. ths accession of ten shillings to the price of a quarter of wheat made la tax on the people of sewn millions per annum. The effect of the Corn haw was to inflict a heavy tax on the people of grightnell; it might atm be looked on as a sort of non-intercourse law with a great , pert of Euroite. The great merit of the present measure was, that it would vectiocile men's minds to the general question. Mr. Secretary PEEL regretted much the speech. of the Not% Lord, though he believed he hed spoken wi It the least intention yet he had introduced betties eidte unsuited to the amicable settle ment of the question. %I' hen h 2 had heard it said that the aouctty gentlemen had excited the country to the late war, be . coot not help editing diet he thought they might look with conscious pride to the part they took 4,11 this occasion; and although he knew' that they were generally adverse to the measure bttfore them, yet he would confess that he did not thir k them obnoxious the charge. It might be considered that the priee of corn had nevef bent such as to yield at exhorbitant profit. For the last • five year. he believed it had not exceeded sixty ehin'Thge. Ha could rot agree with the opinion that 1! was a matter of indit. ference to throw the poor lands ou t o f cultivation. An to the ewer amendments propeeorl, the one by the Hon. Member tot Brecknock, and the other by the Hon. Mentber for Walton Basset, lie did not mean to offer any opinion on their merits; but trd hcperl the House would be untied before it adored the suggestions. It appeared to him, that leavit'a the matter indefinite would be a muck better plan than to uesigns Jetty specific price. As Co the , suggestion that the bonded corn ohoold be sent from the warehouses free of duty, he thought that such an exemption was doubly objectiorable, as it would afford a partiality to those perimns living in the vicinity of the places where it was warehoused, while those at a rettret a 6. tence, though perhaps more dietteesed• could not claim a Marilee enjoyment. Another ;Talton why he did not approve of that pfk. pleat was. that the local Committees would rot purchase from the Eaglieh farmer when they could procure bonded cam at so much. much cheaper a rate. Thus it erneld operate to the prejudice of the agricultural interest. But tie leveret objection which he en. tertained to that trade was, that it would be erica: lathing any Mum adoption of a standard. He could say, with the greatest sincerity, that he never in his life gave a vine Which "has more calculated there the one he meant to give that night to promine the agricultural ta term. (Hear.) Ile of course meant concurrently with that of the maeurectutere. As to the alternatives which were ptoposed for their adoption. they-had already decided on two occasions that the discussion of the Corn Laws shout(' not tike piece during die present Session. There was another alternative, either of leave matters as they were, or to pans the 111. He thought that pasaieg the Bill would be the better plan. If there wan a certainty of no change, they might leave things as they were ; but it was prude's' In a wise Government to guard against the contingency. A re ference to the state cf the corn market for the last 25 years would show the necessity of that course. In eight years of that period, the average price was ninety shillings a quarter; and •in the peer 1816 it rose, in the short space of three months, from .its. to lfle. In nine years ni those twenty.hive there was each year an impor. tation of 1,100,000 quarters of corn ; and all that was now required to meet the contingent emergency was 50000 quarters in addidon to what was bonded, which, at the utmost, did not exceed 294,000 e making altogether net more than 800000 quarters, and on aeon. tiugency which might never occur. As to the phrase made use of by the Honourable Mcatber tee Cork Castle (Mr. Bankes), he was sure that the Parliament, the omnipotent power of that House, would not be restrained by any apprehension of the threats, of the disaffected or disturbed, but thought he alwnvs listened eidt .pleasure to the observations of that Hcttourabhe Member, he did not think the suffering districts would consider that there was any '• solemn nonsense of moral effect" in endeavouring to relieve their distresses. If the argument of that Honourable Gentleman was good for any thing, it must, in fits extension of the principle oaf which it wan founded, go to the assertion that it male no differences to the manufacturers, whether 120 e. per quarter, or seen a MOW prier of eon existed. Mr. H. SUMNER rose, but, from the noise which prevailed, w• in for a coneideraVe titne ineurlible. The lion. Alembey the, said, that if he could not procure the attention of the House, he , ' would immediately desist. The point whirls it was aimed to attain was said to be not high nor lot!, hut unvarying, prices. (Mani festations of great impatience in the House.) By reference to return, of prices for ,he last seven years, it would be seen that there was less fluctuation than far thesante numnerof yeafs in any preced. ding period. The release of the bonded corn seemed to him to bo a measure likely to produce great injury in that respect. The landed interest was tut gremly influenced by views of the national prosperity as ivy other class in the country. It was a subject which pressed elite to their hearts, and strongly, excited their syto. pathv. But if the value of lands would not allow the (kernels to employ labourers, what was to be done with the superabundant population ? Should they be thrown on the poor men. whin were now incompetent to supply them necessaries, and would then be rendered more so. Mr. WHARTON wished to defend the agricultural interest from the imputation of wishing to promote ware for the purpose of promoting their own views. lie had been a Member before the last war commenced, and had opposed it in the beginning, and is every stage of its continuance. (The cries of " Question, ques tion," here rendered the lion. Member further inaudible.) Mr. WHIT3IORE, amid loud cries of "Question " and " Order," addressed the House for some time, but the deafening noise prevented us from hearing any other than the expression of his hope that the present measure was only the prelude to a total change in the Corn Law system. Loud cries of " Question," in the midst of which Mr. IRlu I NO seemed to be opposing the measure. The House then divided— For the second reading Against it 181 65 Majority 19$ The other Orders of the Day were then disposed of, and the House 'akin...nett at a QUART La PAST TWELVE O'CLOCK. 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