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Ir. Whitbread) kat' voted for the Jones; because, after the humble us error at their bar, he thought enough. Ile had again to repeat read the publication ; although lie natant, and hail only to do the Ju nto man, he had not, in the few spare since two o'clo k this morn iled to pay it the sante attentiiiii, as Hon. Members oil the floor (NIG dr. Owen.) He saw from the bulk Burdett's pamphlet, that it would be hint to get through-it that day, and therefore stuck to the Hon. General's -iginary campaign; followed him, its dale, through all his military ans wer Ministers, and assist them in their retreat. He had another eon.. against Sir Francis Burdett, be. lad ulready noticed. He had read I not being able to discover any lege in that, he had put the argu. kit, thinking that the Hou. Gentle. iould come to nothing. When he the House, however, lie was aito. fen d a n d have pointed out to him, in things which he did nut recollect to :tried -in the speech of the Hu &iet. From the unimpressive Ulan. these messages came under his view, pretend to pass un opinion on . aiild lie do so till lie had con ratites?. If he was pressed to a he %%Sib prepared for it, hr must, oil feeling of a Juryman, (nod lie con iause in a eas? of this kind as resent , when fluctuating betweeu a prout of luocence, I:an to the side of mercy, and • the latter. There might be others iatien, and who, as they cou►d not, , Honourable Geotleinan, by menus their minds, keep the two questions, like him would wish to have the one before they entered on the other. He ther of the two was sufficient for a.man's attention at one 'line. Whatever miAlit • of that Hight flonounthle Gentle preasing them, he trusted he would ippoitited. He believe.) the public had too to have their minds diverted from _ Expedition, by this attempt to m at:other object. All the Right Honour -111:111 could gain by the stratagem, :'ie few hours during which the trued. The House. cud the Honour had a right to call on hint for a . alin • Resolutiou, iii a matter so deeply in. i vileges of the former, amid the chonic tatter. Ile deprecated a rash and preci - winch thtir's would be, if they came iit. Other Gentlemen might shrew by voting uninformed. For himself, hold only to do what. in honesty and risrice, he thought right.--The Hon. Cietillcinan , nicluded amidst ctiet of Hear, hear, dud other marks of approbation. Sir J.SIONET YORKS said, the Hon. Member had allude,: to a late Member, arm, had beep appointed a Teller of the Exch.:goer, soil he did not consider the reau!t of that lion. Mein i we's conduct, any way injunous to his character. This, he would taYe that although the pre:arm questton had been el. med a legacy, it was an excellent legacy, whether left by a Teller of the Eccherlis a', or by a brewer of bad porter. (These obacrrisib floi were folio melt by loud c.i-s of /rear, chair, and take dawn the words.) Mr. WHITBREAD rose and observed, thht what ever other Hon. Gentlemen might feel, as (Mein hers of that House, on tile present occasion, he felt uo displeasure at the expression. What had been stated, only affected him, when considered as a tradesman; and he was sure the Hon. Gentleman had uo right to say, he brewed bad porter.--(A laud laugh, and shoats of hear, hear.) Lord Simon consideted the language used as unparliamentary ; and mired, r. That the words be taken down."—( Hear, hear, hear, Chair, ('hair.) Mr. %Vaunters') did not conceive it right to treat the conduct of the Hon. Gelitlemon as ithouy other than goad humour. lie would not irapote any thing wrong, nor did he wish for the slightest apology ; lie could discern, from the comiteuaorto and wanner of the lion. Member, nothing was meant by an expression which might have bees need by any other 'Person, • in the warmth of the moment. If the observatiou were correctly upr plied, hr 19114 sorry he had so far deviated from the precepts and practice of his father; however, he invited the Hon. M tuber to order • cask, and hr would take care it should be of the best; iu . which lie and the electors of Citinbridgeshire might drink the hi olth of the Teller of the Exchequer.— (Loud lanqhing, and Hear, hear.) Lind 111 i 'Jo% again rose to repeat the propriety of hi. farmer motion.—(Chair„ C'hair.) The SOF:41E11B mail, it might have been compe tent for any Alember to have made such a mottos' on the words itself, hut that was rendered urine .-eas.:ry, from 0114 fell from the Hou. Gentle. 113$11 1, 110111 they cooceruerl. Mr. eaukt.k allowed. that the expreasioss of the Ilea. G.-holm:to behind hini was imempemte and liwy.—(lrr, we could not.collect the Hou. Mern-• Ines sentiniems, from the cootiotted criers) of ( bushels, rprestitet, qtresfion.)—He really must say, nut far more dilli..ulty than existed, was attached Is the consideratimi of this suhject.—lflear. Ques- Cen, griestiun J — The I loninirable Gentleman, who stroke lost, NM said. lie would not be intimidated late silence; so lie (Mr. C.) would my, that no irme should iatimiefote ti into silence by their chi -110.. nr. - -(Hear.)—Hael the arguments muril by the nu& Baronet heen for the purpose of fair discus *inn. they ought to have been stated with temperance; hat such were their violence and libellous tendency, that the Ifon. Baronet would never have dared to ' l „,ttvt them in that H ouse . IVt at was t h e quest i on? "thy, one w h ic h nee d e d n o long or protracted con snielatiori. Were they to discos+, it loin, o I.et her they had n right to exercise thine powers and privi kr% which their arice-aor, had always mai mowed, Stud hail enjoyed front all antiquity ?—(1/rnr, hear, !,"*.)--He svati!d assert, that the simpl e iiiiestiiiii ',„"r the easinderat• of the H a u e r ',A.—Witt-111pr "'I had a right to commit strao4rut , fur A Coll. t empt ? As to the Honourable Barmict. he WAS 1 "Peaking of this set in language bath repreliesi mile and void a taw:. 11l the proper laid on the table, be Lad told them dint the Home had exceeded the Ii in its of its power. If the II 111. HAM had any ob jection to make, any argument toadvanee, why had he nut stated hnn.elf ro before chat House? But what he feel pubhslieil hi that paper, he would venture to the lion. Baronet would not hare dared to state isiihie the walls of . that House.— (//car, hear, hear.) Ile would amen the lan guege lie was Loa vain;,, in defiance of those urea live cheers. If the /1011. Baronet had uttered semi melee contained iii the erg ttttt ent published in the paper before them, ih thin Houle, would Dot he have been called to order? would he have been per mitted to have expressed such 'sentiments? Ile appealed to the Speaker, if he had spoken of the warrant as an "instrument, this thing, smi genera; this piece of uNscaled paper, signed by the Speaker,' within the House of Common*, for he was nut iog of the warrant of . the Speak m-, - but the warrant of the United Commons of the Kingdoms" of Great Britain and ; would not, he re. prated. the Speaker have called him to artier, and reprimanded him for his coudect ? Who wits the Hon. Baronet? Was lie a person of whom they hail to form their opinion ? Was he not oue of those persons, whose sentiments were generally known, end of which none in that !louse could he i,gtio rant hear.)—Needed the Hon. Members opposite to doubt and require time to weigh their decision, about a mem whose sentiments hal been - expressed by On so many occasions? (Hear, hear. Order.)—He considered hitnself in the dis charge of his duly in preserving the dignity of the House, and humbly maintaining the privileges of the House and the dignity of the Clair.—( A lento.)—Had the Hunourable %intim, he would will say, inserted that languag e within the House, which he lied published in t hat obnoxious paper, the Speaker himself would have considered it his" bounden duty to have called him to order. -Unless Gentlemen were prepared to change the whole system of their loug•establisheil privileges and rights, he could nut perceive how there could be • question of doubt. What room was there for de lay? Look at the publication, and every man must allow, that • more audacious or daring libel was never levelled against • the independence and dig nity of the House of C 0031120110. He would, for a moment, request their attention to the last extract from The Weekly Register, where the lion. Baronet has represented the House of Coin ninns " inflated with their high-blown fanciful ideas of majesty, and, tricked out in the trapping of royalty, think privilege and protection beneath their dig,ity, asinine the sword of prerogative, and lard it equally over th e King sad the people." Now, he never understood that the House of Commons had ever usurped any part of rot atty. nor did be know of any ensigns amongst them, except the mace on the table. There was one passage he would notice before he suit down, as reflecting strongly, awl in the mod extraordinary way, upon the proceedings of that Hmise. It was there intimated, that the House of Comments was " in danger of ineurrieg the sentence of Sr. Paul upon the insolent avid tyrannical High Priest, who had ecimmauded him to Ise stricken 111 his own defence:—God shall smite thee, thou whited IA laugh on Me opposition side.) Was that a decorous laugh? Was it nut indecorous, not Gaily tn'thre House, but to the words of sacred writ? It witi stated, " God shall smite thee thou whited wall: For thou fittest to judge Inc after. the law, arid emornandest me to be smitten coutrary to the law." This sentence was applied to the House of Comninone. (No, nu, No, front the opposition side.) He would inaintaiu that such was the construction' of the passage fie quoted, that if they continued the practises condemned in this argument, they hail to expect the denunciation of St. Paul. Ac cording to tie opinions delivered by the Hon. Gen tlemen opposite, it appeared that even n week would nut be sufficient to consider the merits of this subject; they must, according to such doctrine*, adjourn the debate, de die is diem. Such were his ideas of the principles of the Constitution, that he considered them enshrined in the House of Com mons. As to the direct potut in discussion, be was at a loss to estimate the validity of any doubt on the subject, nor had there been 41 doubt expreseed, exr ept by the Noble Lord opposite (Folkstone,) and he did not believe the merit of the question was affected by a solitary doubt. Sir SAKOeL Rositt.tr —‘ l If ever. Sir, there was a question involving our own dignity ; if ever there was a ptestion in which was comprehended the in terest and attention of the nation at large ; it is the one under our cooviderition. We are culled upon t Ipronounze our opinion, as Judges; but we most recollect that we arc judges in our own cause. It, therefore, ill becomes us to give way to any feelings of anitnosity, hut to weigh every consideration, and judiciously decide upon the whole. At the same tune l must say. I have doubts upon the subjects under our investigation. These doubts I have en tertained through a long examination into the prin ciples of natural law and equity, from the loafs"- sioual habits of my life, and from those particular studies which have been familiar to my control ',lotion. With respect to all which has been al leged coocerning the dignity of this House, I do not think we add to its consequence by constantly bluing forth the power of our own privileges. Many Honourable Gentlemen have chosen to ex press their cou..age iu a way not altogether consistent • with proprie.y. I confess 1 do not coincide with them Ili the expression of such feelings. We ought to consider these are not times for the assertion of such I ingusge; and, lorsides. we ought to bear in mind the long practice of the country, !upon the principles we now question. It may be remembered the general meetings which OH a late occasion took place, where public thanks were bestowed upois per sous who had acted io oppositiou to the majority of this House. There are reasons for the postponement ofthis measure. which, I should trust, will induce those Hotionrahle Geutleuieu who press for imme diate decision, to consider this rase in another point of view. 1 do not perceive the estravagrat con struction which has been put upon dist extract of the piper relative to the Bill of Rights b,consing a Bill of Wrongs. (Here the Honour:dile Member read the passuAe alluded to.) It is strange we should not, iu the present instance, where the put.- licstion of a libel founds our furl yr precrtiitigs, inquire more minutely into the deti;iitinn of a libel. Igoe, has any Honourable Gentleman clearly bliewn that the publication itself is a bud egaiust 'be riwise of Commons ? For what is the goe,tioe ? Why, whether the piper to dues mot eau- Lis what i,.iim4:wilt to deaommate it to bee I bel. I must emef,sl,, l e u telria a ilwitit with respect to its being a Mod. Ido not mean to say tt is no: a libel, but I have my own doubts on ilse —lt is our duty to direct our attention to both the forum and the Metier of this publication.--. No one can deity, that the 011)mi:talon is lithe to discussion, provided it were a temperate and ar gumentative appeal to the underatunding of man kind. 'He would admit, that passage., written with a totally opposite spirit might, an that a-- count, be litiGle to the charge of being a libel."— (Here some Mterr option took place from a uoisc ou the Ministerial aide.)—Said Sir Samuel " I have. no objection to slim those Honourable Geutlernen every deference ; I dare say they have made up their own minds, and they, have very great legal knowledge on the question. and I should be hippy if they would communicate that knowledge —(A tou gh.)--Now, what is the principal-sta:e. • meta contained in this paper? Why, that the pro ceeding of this House, on a late occasibu, was contrary to Maggie C'haela. The Hon. Bart. as serts that as a position, and he goes dii to the Ms cu,sion of its being borne out by fact. This is cer tainly a made of discussions; and. God forbid. that, 'in this country, there shirwld not be a freedom of discussion. With respect to the last passage, marked by the lions Mover, he did not consider it so winch libellnaa, se , was destitute of sense. (The lion. Winber Alorllthe passage ar4verted to.). How can the Commons. at this noir, have it in their Ismer to lord it over the King as.,l dir people.? The first passage had also been e:msolcied as very important ' A question of nu less importance than this, wbrilser our liberty be full Is be secured by the lies of our fore fatbr,r, or be to he at the almulute mercy of a puff of cur fellow.satikeir, collected tuietber by mesas which it it is not uccesaary fur me to deceribe r' • To get at the meaning of this parissge. if Woos as libellous, there must be as billeted% There was, • some time ago, a cave of libel, in the Court of King's Bench. and the Meannig • not being ex pressed, but remaining for inference to construe, it was laid down there must be ao tattrado. There fore it appears dear, when this Howie proceeds to puinilt a man f3r a libel, they do so; without giving the individual an opportunity of being heard.. Ido not wish to allege this is not the, course of this House; but if the adjournment is not now agreed to, why was not the question agitated in its fi,st stage ? Why was it adjourned till this day ? If the Hon. Gentlemen will take a longer period to con sider this subject, I have no doubt they will alter their opinions in consequence." The Mem ber concluded by anitnariverting opal' the decla rations of courage. which he comidered very im proper in the present-times. The CuancEr.t.na of the EXCHEQUER was sur prised that any Hunourable Member could, after hearing all which had realised, feel any doubt upon the subject. Both sides have admitted that the pre sent question is oue of the greatest importance ; but at the same lirpe some lion. Gentlemen have been unlined to think that the Wulchereo Expedition is of more importance; and he agreed with them that . the inquiry into the Expedition, in order to arca. tain the conduct of His Mujesty's Minister, .is of very great importance; but important as he did consider the inquiry, still that was a charge against Ministers, whereas the present questiou contain. en scensation against this House of Commons. The Hon. Member opposite (Mr. Whitbread) had said a good deal about the cha!iter of accidents, as if he (Mr. Perceval) had seized the present instaiice by the way; nay, lie bad described hi,rn in the last surge,. with the halter about his neck.—(4lairgh.)--wßut he had no hesitation in telling the Hon. man, that he looked forward ttilte.decisiou pend ing on thil Inquiry, with as much anxiety, and as much confidence. us any other Member of that House. —(Hear, licur.)—For it Would tend to re. move those erroneour notions which had been enter tained respecting the conduct of His Majesty's Mi nister.. lie contended, that no other mode had been resorted to in his own case, but what had been put.. sued in the present. He had no hesitation in saying. that fie to the form and the matter of this publi cation, they were, undoubtedly libellous. That a man should enjoy free discussion was right; but should it be permitted that a man should appeal front the decision of that House to his constituents, and call upon them to resist that decision ? Lan guage thus used, he should not have thought there would have been much occasion to convince his Hon. and Learned Friend (Sir S. Illoinilly) was completely libeller' Every man moat so consider this appeal to his Constituent'. (Mr. P. here read the passage.) It commenced with a declaration, with a oistinct atlegiation, that an order of the hlonse of Commons was 01211ITAry to Magna Chnrta ; and then he proceeded to call upon his Consittnents to resist the proceedings of that House. Perhaps it would be said their resistance was to be by argu ment, but he would lease others to form their con jectures. (A laugh I He next adverted to the reasoning of the HouoisTable Baronet, in those passages, where he states the objectadesired by those who support the doctrine of reforming Parliament. The next paragraph of which he coinPlaiued„ was the following " The principle, Fella... Miami, far shield you are now contewdiag, is the same principle for which the people . of England have cm:tendril, Guru the earliest ages. It i wak this saute great principle which wax attacked by Charles thilfinit, is the measure or ship.nioney ; when, see.,, the people of Euelsod, and an unruirupted House of Connuoux, ..lowed lb. coatest, a rootord which ended in the imp r isminieat, the trial, the coodetitnotion, and execution, of that ill•adviard King; the self-snow principle it u is that a as so daringly violatail by his is., James the Second, sad fw which violative be was °Wird to doe Crum the jest indiginitioo of the people. It was, at all times. the pride of the country, that the people were secured freret the upprawriaas or mini. power; sod if us sow abandou the principle, the briaht days at tag tad's glory will owl h, lb. night other &space." It concluder) with observing, that— "As their forefathers liAd saute grim-risaged,Krroeative hide his head, and [wilco in pictes his sharp :will massy sword, they, thole sints Minh! nut he afraid i.ienter 1.. e lists with aadefirreil Privilege, .sassing the powere el - Preto prim" The inference from all this'll:as. time the w r it e r lied called upon the people of &glutei to mast the doctrine upon winch Mr. Jones was contissed, find to enter the lists with the 11;averomeat, in the same way that their iniceetore had tiorsa..--i( titer, hear.) —Conld any man doubt. that ► he stainer it, well as the matter. wod bbellous s sad aatouuti l ; to a gross breach of the privileges of tlist Milne ? An other seutence, w!bich he (the Chmivelloe of the Ax cltrqu.•r) .601.1 woo the omit:lading st vi •e of the Ittter, which <)4,e...erased the dtrii‘iol'i of the Howe, in the eoutontt•.l of Mr. Gole Jones, a-••• a A Most sou: moat &tote of power, owl the Ino:t .13-I,lcre oyes of on encru.Nloscuts oivms *lO rigid,' col Korai:sea a Euglishnico." Ciotti any thing, he would ask, he more calcu lated to bring dill House solo disrcpme Could any thing be mop- Iiii••11ons--nay, could :toy person have a doubt that it was libellous in thesextrerue ? (Hear, frost the Oipositiost.) • I f, indeed, these was any person whod id, an adjournment for ;meet. would , carcely work any d,tfcr..nce in an opinion so con trary to all reasonal.lc prestrinptiol and inference. There were many other pass ;;es, *Lich he would not trouble them with enumerating, but the sense of them, he bad - no hesitation to state, was tire. quivocally to represent Parliament an acting in contradiction to the Law and Constitution of the country. The Hon. Gentleman !Mosel!, who hail moved the adjournment, confessed, that he had no doubt as to the libellous stature of some passages, but he wished to be satisfies, as to the disr ; there were others who were Inximia to be informs.' a s to the fact, but it was easy to answer both. Tne Hon. Gentleman had attempted to draw a distinctioo between breach of privilege mid tilid, iii the in stance of publication, which he would not agree in. There might, he would admit, he hrercises of pri vilege, which were not libels; bat he could sot conceive any publication, reflect.sig upon the ,House of Commons, to as to amount to a brew:, o f privileges that was tint a libel. Another seuteuce went to represent them as a body " dressing themselves oust in fanciful prerogatives, imperi -1 oils alike to tbe King and the people." Having said so much stain the 84 , 1, he should now proeeeit to the lie di the questiou ; this was to lie decided by a reference ti authorities. The i.oint which gave rise to the letter of Sir Francis Burdett, was. whether the H . u se had a right to commit a person not a Member ? in short. whether Mr. Gale Jones's committal was legal ? Supposing that it was not, the Honourable Baronet might have moved for a re-consideratioo, and discus. bed the question ever !Again in the House; hat he doubted whether he lied a right to appeal . to his coust:tueuts, especiaily in the manlier sit which he had done it. after a grave and deliberate decision of that House. There...ere Tinny cases on the Journals to establish such o right ; there • was the case of Mr. Hill, a Member of that House, nod of Mr. Trollops., who was not a Mem ber, but was committed notaithitanding. by the authority of that lions, ; iti 1701,1 case of that kind was referred to a Connnittee ; the Commiitee was 'appointed to inquire into the rights and privileges of the House, and, ow the motion of a Noble Lord, the right. and privileges of the subject were to be taken into cnasideration ; also the Resolution of that Committer. They-Should all bear in their minds, it stated, that to contend that the House had not a right to commit persons who were not Members, 'would tend to the subversicti of the principles upon which it stood. They had num berless mar:ices to prove it. In the ease of Oliver and Crosby, the right of the House of Commons to eoinsnit for breach of privilege. hart.besen recognised by the King's Bench and the House of Lords. 14-, begged to call their attention to an opinion of Lord Kenyon's, who had stated, that whenever factious men would attempt to overturn the government, they would begin the work by caluttmesting the Courts of Law, and both Houses of l'srtiament ; he would appeal to them, whether that time was not now come I' The House would do weft to re member, that Mr. Gale &met was committed to prison by an unanimous vote ; -and if, in the case of a member, they were to beritate more than in his, they would be guilty of improper par tiality ; if any distinction was to be draws be tween them, instead of being in favour of their ow* hleinber, it must make against him ; it would be welleto compare the wore of the two offences. Gale Joneshad published 811 account of a discussion which, he had said, and would admit, amounted to a gro-• offence; hut lie hail no hesitation to say, that, compared with the offence upon which the qttestion had now arisen, it was comparatively trifling. 'they 'should not give Sir Francis Burdett such a triumph, they , should insiatain then rights and privileges, the ris.!hts and privileges of the peo ple of England ; to do otherwise, would be to sub-. ject themselves to the charge of irjii.fce and pusil lattimity, it would-be 4, sic ,wurieri mei." They should not .astunit to be trampled upon—they should proceed to do Carle duty temperately, con siderately, and impartially.—(Hear, /war, iron die Opposilion.P—And if such was their determina tion, they would concur in the Resolution of the Hon. Gentleman wader the pillery, as essential to the maintenance ultbeir dignity. Lord FOLILSTOPIC :460. that he was 'sore the House would not be induced to ate to the reso lution, by the speech which was last delivered to flterre4 l •but that, on the contrary, they would vote for the iidjounitnent. The Right Hen. Gentle twin was desirous that they should proceed imme diately, arid yet when he proceeded to the examine. tion..be proved that be was an far mistaken as to •requiee 11 little *me himself for an acquaintance with the subject.- He had called upon them to di cide gravely, 'considerately. and coolly ; end it ore for that eery reason - that they should avoid going into it hotly, prematurely, and pasainnately-. ! (Hear, ketef) They had heard grave authoritiss upon the subject, such as no man could doubt. The Right- Honourable Gentleman had involved Gale Jones in the subject. though the Honours. Me Gentleman had separated them. Ile (Lord Folkstone) agreed, that they should not he separated ; for in order to decide upon the poi.- lication of Sir Francis Burdett, they should chande upon the principte which he had rpiestioned. in referring to the precedents, the first 0118 quoted by the Right Hon. Gentian in, was that of Hall; but that was nee of such a sia.ure, and drawn Nisi such a time, that they should not be very ready to adopt it ; in that ease, the individual was not only committed to the Tower. but fitted; so that if they resolved to follow the pre (Arlo, they should *eke it all, and not nroceed upon selected unil particul parts of it. ( Ilear, hear.) Tic neNt orccede.it which he had referred, was that of the how, which was sent to a Committee; the Cul. tet tee sat open the rights and privileges of that Louie ; Mies. Hs. (11r. of Mr..lones ; bea conical:ion of hia error at bun punished enough. I not he had not read the p bad no office to attend, an, nes of a cominnii man, It Amin he bad to spare since log , been enabled to pay it either of the lion. Skull Brand and Mr. Owen.) of Sir Francis Burdett's psi impossible for him to get t he had therefore stuck Craufuril) imaginary tam' well as he *Ns able, thron) :ewes, to cover Minion iosking good their retreat. •i!aiot to snake against S ides what he had ulready is letter, mod not beim ',reach of privilege in that mot in his pocket, thiiikin motion would come • or Joan to the House, „ mi ned to hear read and ha . tins argument, things whic hare heard untried -in :mutable Baronet. F rom tier 41 which these passag ).e could not pretend Ie 4,a, nor would he d Weed the context. if deciaiou before he sista tire the common feeling of a siderul the lisue in a ea: a Jury), w hea II mot i ;adt and Moot:et:me, lean primuuoce fur the latter. ti;e same situation, and like the Right Honourab if the cells in their minds s e i srate, they like him we .!;,posed of before they en ass suie either of the two undivided attention at one Le the motives of that H Mall 13 thus pruning the Le disappointed. He lid nitteli sense to base the toe Scheldt Expedition, trodace another objects able Geutleinan could could be Vie few hot lichee continued. The able Baronet had a right t and delberate Resolution %Ann! the pri vilegra of it ter of.the latter. lie (lei pate decision, which thti to it this night. Other their boldness by voting u be would be hold only tc reater, he thOught nigh s included amidst cries a marks of approbation.