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of lbw strength of the kfrny, which had been laid en the Tkw,wrre net made not as he carpeted, and by 'spans astiefaYtory. He therefore moved, Ilitt there be lard before the House, • return of the effinnYe strength ofylie loyal Gar. .yison Veteran Battalion, on the lit of May, IEOS, which was tiordeivil seeon ply. The further ci•itsideratiwn of the Report of the Committee tippet the Idea Man BO was deferred till Eriilay newt. The F r oclith otters Bill. the Militia Sob. *Berns . Aiio7/311CP Bill. tit, Irkh Militia Pry Bill, the Irish Pa per Duty Bill, and the Militia Adjutants' Alluttaoce Bill, were severally read a third time., and l ugged. Sir JOHN NEWPORT gave notice, that he would, on Tuesday next, bring forward a motion On the subjea of two Commiseions in Ireland. The one relative to the Commissioners of suffering Loyal ists, and the other, the Commissioners, for soaking restitution to persons holding offi:es, e'hich were extingnished by the Ae of Union. Colonel CRA VsTFO RD postponed his intended motion on the State of the Army, from Monday to Tuesday next. CHA3GE AGAINST THE MINISTER. NiIr.WIIITB READ—" I rise, Sir, in consequence of the intention I signified at the time I gave notice of drawing the attention of the House to the Report of the Seidl Committee on the Tenth Report, for the purpose of moving certain Resolutions respelling the condua of the Right lion. Gentleman opposite me (Mr. Fitt), as far as he was concerned with the transaftions referred to in that Report. Though no Member of the Committee concurred with me, and though the Right I-Inn. Gentleman wished that I shotild bring forvdrd this part of the subject pre. elously to that on which the House has already de cidez_l, I hope he will now acquit me of any unneces sary delay. AU that I mean to propose on the oc casion is, that there should be a record of this trans action on ow journals, in order that such irregullari th-s may not in future be drawn into precedent; and I hope the Right Hon. Gent himself will allow, that it would be disagreeable to him, should he live to witness some future successor of hi., own doing the same things. and with the same itregularity, per haps, en less justifiable grounds. If that then be the oniy objea of what I mean to propose, I am induced to think that any Hon. Gentleman, who might have intended to propose different resolutions ; eounter-resolutions, I have taken care, they cannot Move from mine ; will now abstain from doing so, and much mere do I ex pea, that they wal not at tempt to negative them, merely because they arc mine. On a former occasion, I charged the Right Hun. Gentleman on strong suspicion, that on the Bth of April, he knew of these trans:aliens, of Navy money having been drawn from the Bank, for pure poses not naval ; ai•tl it now turns out, upon evi dence, and upon Lis own admission, that l e:11 very far from :eying, nor have I the slightest suspicion, that he was a participan r with those who lodged the money in a private hank ; hat I do say, that in the year 1797, he knew of its having been done ; and it seems very extraordinary to me, that he did not put a stop to it; and I think it still more extraordinary, that he did not do so from the regard he must be supposed to have had for the honour of Viscount who was his colleague in office, and in private his intimate and confidential friend ; but, however sin gular that may appear, I repeat that I do not con sider him to have arced with any flagrant or sinister purpose whatever. On another occasion I was com pelled by ray duty to say some very harsh and dis agreeable things in regard to Viscount Melville. I assured the House at the time, that I did it pain fully, and with reluaance ; and the hest proof t can now give themof the sincerity of that assurance is to aisstain from doing so in future ; and, unless the necessity of the case should require it, I should ever be desirous of avoiding the mention of his name. It appears from the evidence of Mr. Raikes, that as far back as the year 1799, he informed Mr. Pitt that Navy money to a larger amount than was deemed necessary, had been drawn from the Bank of England, and lodged at a private Banker's. Mr. Pitt himself acknowledged this, and though there was some difference in the form of the con versaticm, in the substance it was the same. lam told there are some Gentlemen who were so ex tremes; credulous as to have a doubt of the exist ence of the correspondence at all, notwithstanding the evidence given by Mr. Pitt himself ; and mires, it seems, there are, who think the conversation good for nothing, because it was not of an dsciai nature. A whimsical kind of reasozing, at if - nothing was worthy of a Minister's notice, which did not come from some person who did not come to him in full dress. It was also observed by a Right Hon. Gen tleman (Mr. Canning), that this was no more than a hearsay account which Mr. Raikes had from Mr. Newland, Mr. N. (roma mercantile gentleman, and he from the Clerks at the Bank, and they from Mr. Cnutts; . but I maintain, that however it originated, when r. Pitt bad it from so respeaable a quarter, he Was in duty bound to make an inquiry into it. Mr. Raikes further declared, that on his return from Mr. Pitt, he related what had pass ed to the Gentlemen of the Committee at the •Banir. It is, indeed, true that none of these gentle men did, but it was much more likely for them to forget, than for Mr. Raikes to have invented it. AU that we know further of the matter is, that Mr. Pitt just mentioned it to Viscmint Melville, and was sa tisfied with his answer. There is one circumstance of a peculiar nature, in Mr. Pitt himself, which makes this the more remarkable, as he knew that Viscount Melville had ille 4 gally advanced to him 40,0001. of naval moat!, tile laq part of w&- 1 4 was not then paid; and it is surprising that that co& sciousuess alone should nut have alarmed him so as to induce him to inquire whether the practice might not go further. I must also repeat my surprise, that his own honour, and that of Isis fi:erd, did not prompt hint even to do so much as to satisfy Mr. Raikes that ri:e report was ill founded. The Right Hon. Gentleman, when examined as to the violatien of the AiR of Parliament, erkued, that he il not the provisions of the Aft at that time in his mind, which appe a rs tome a very unsatisf actor y ex cuse indeed, for as the meanest man in the kingdom is not allowed to plead Lis ignorance or forgetful. nese of the law, I know not how such a plea can be admitted in behalf , of a Prime Minister, and one who took a foremost and alai?* part io the forma tion and passing of t h e very act i n question. I mutt freely confess, Sir, that if the proceedings of the 1 lonse mean a former occasion had been different from what they have on a subjea conneaed with tl.e preseat, my eanduet on this occasion would hav e been different also but as it is, no t wishing t u t any th ing urea the journal s t h at wou l d be In- save to the Right Honorable Centleitian t and unwilling to propose any thing that I thou,zht might not meet with the certain concurrence of the majority of the House ; I mean not to offer any proposition on this part of the rasbjea. The next thing that prevents itself, Sir, is the deficiency of the late Mr. Jellicoe; but having before had occa sion to trouble the House so muds at large upon this subjed, I at present confine myself to the con dna of the Treasury, in relation to it. It. appears that Mr. Pitt and Mr. Rose having had a previous conversation and argument upon this subject, a me morial was drawn up, the minute of the Treasury was dated on the 29th of May, the warrant was dated the 21st of May, and the Privy Seal was af fixed to the writ on the 27th of the same month. It is true, indeed, the Right Hon. Geatleman may say, that in the Treasury it is no unusual praftice thus to put the cart berme the horse. It helongt to him to afford the only explanation of such dates that will satisfy the House and the country. — To be sure, at the time, there were great changes, backwards and forwards, of going nut and coming in again, and, on occasions of going out, at least it might be supposed that they all packed up together; hut here is Mr. Rose in the same of fice at least far twelve months alter the general re signation. But supposing it to be an error in the delivery of the dates, and that Mr. Pitt was other wise ton much engaged to superintend the business himself, he might at leait have employed others to have done it. There are, I own, some instances on record of writs of privy seal ; but I dray that there has been one which could afford a precedent for it. There is an obvious difference between it and that of Lord Grenville. Lord Grenvilk's was far a sum of secret service money, which he swore upon oath that he never received ; for it seemed that the person who got it had run away with it, but for which Lord Grenville was not to blame. If, as I said before, Mr. Fitt would not himself inquire into these things, why did he not cause the inquiry to be made by the Secretary of the Treasury, or by some one of the four junior Lords, to whom the public pays large salaries, and has, there fore, a right to expest that they should do some thing for them ? Why did he not employ Lord Glenbervie, a solid, steady, experienced man, versed in the legal profession; not young or tddy, but in long habit of business and researches, and now em ploy ^R in the most important office of Surveyor of Woods and Forests, on which the salvation of our navy may depend ? But he did no such thing ; when Lord Gimbel vie was called before the Committee, he said, he knew nothing of the matter, and did not attend the Board at all that year. It is beyond my comprehension how business can be carefully trans afted, v, hen Lord Glenbervie, whose name was subscribed to ihe writ, had not been present during the whole Gt :hat year, though he and the others were paid for their attendance. On inquiry, how ever, I think it will be found that neither the war rant nor the memorial were fonnded on fast. Ido not impute to the Right 11-.1. Gentleman corrup tion ; but I accuse him of aegled, as to the steps to recover whatever might be got of the money for the public. People. indeed, may say that it was only a temporary thing, if that little was to be got, and, therefore, that it did not signVy. But 1 must contend, that there should be some regularity in the affairs of the public, u well as in those of individuals; for those small things, when taken together, amount tea considerable sum in the aggregate. I would, indeed, make every allowance for feelings of corn passion towards the family of Mr. Jellicoe, and should, in that respeCt, applaud every liberal for bearance; but, in order to applaud them, I would have them stated as such. Mr. Samuel Jellicoe told us in the Committee, that this forbearance was used in compassion towards him; upon which I observed, that it was all very well, and that there could be no objetion to it t but Mr. Jellicoe came up again, and, disclaiming what he stated before, said, that it was not done from motives of compassion. What could have been his inducement to do this ? I can account for it in no other way than by supposing that it was in consequence of his being told by some person, that he should not have said so, and that he went too far. Mr. White, the Solicitor, was di reeled to sue for the recovery of the balance, in the year 1788, and did not proceed one step in it, after the year 1793. Being asked the reason of it, he answered, that we might recover it yet, if we thought • proper. What a strange answer was this, from a man who had negleEled his duty for twelve years together ? When we asked him why he did not do his duty ? he replied, that he had left it to Mr. Trot ter, whom, he supposed, to be proceeding in it; and when we required information on it from Mr. Trotter, he said, that after Viscount Melville had ob tained the writ of Privy Seal, which indemnified him, he had given himself no more trouble about it. Thus was the recovery shifted from one to another, in me h 4 manner, that nothing at all was drone, while Mr. Pitt stood by, and did not give himself the trouble of making any inquiry about it. Thus .., has the affair rested to th e pre sent moment. 114 Secretary of the Treasury, and the Solicitors were still the same, and yet since the year 1800 no step whatever has been taken, so much as even to make any inquiry into the sub• jet. It is, Sir, upon these grounds, that I shall call upon the House to concur in the resolution I shall have the honour to propose upon this point, and my opinion upon it, which I have incladsd in the reso lotion. I come now, Sir, to the most material of the 1% -:: 7 '.z., relatior• to the transfer of 40,0001. in the month of Apr . ti, nission of Na va l: ?to= the Naval money to the use of the Treasury. Had not the C, g7 , Inquiry been instituted, the pithiic, 08 doullt. would have been ignorant of this taansataion for ever, es far as regarded any disclosure on the part of Go vernment. It happens, however, that the affair has in another way been long before the public, for it is the misfortune of secrets of this kind that they are always liable to be divulged, whenever it hap pens that any of the parties quarrel, as has been the case between Mr. Boyd and Mr. Bentiehl since their failure. The statement made in consequence of their rupture now enables me to throw a clear light uporrthe subjeft, and to prove that nothing could have been inure unwise, more impolitic. and more mischievous, than this ct,n.i.tct of the Minister, which, instead of prcducir . .: b.- r.-eficial con:equznces, and preventing a gent:ral !advt . ° of commercial credit, had produced c.site the c. intrary art% by lessening the hopes, and influeseicg the desires of ' Mr • Boyd, in Awls a mauve as soli aced him to be fearless evert ilk tl:e most bantams' and desperate speculations. A Minister, it} the firmness of his deter- Mination, may say. "be the consequence ()lath mea sure what it may, I am resolved that it shall be done; I will abide the responsibility of it ; and I am further determined to make no disclosures of it." Very well, I will allow him to do so. I may suppose he has just and proper reasons for it; and I do not know that it may not be a measure by which he has saved his country. But while I make this expression in its utmost latitude, I must also claim, on the part of the public, that some record should be made of it, to point out its singular importance, to prevent its be ing brought into a precedent on other less war ranted occasions, and that a .*.linister might not die is the possession of a secret, which may be the ruin of his country. 1 con:el:el, that the habitual viola tion of forms must always be of fatal tendency. It forms are not necessary, let them not be instituted ; bat when instituted, let them be attended to. The Chancellor of the Exchequer stated, in his examina tion, that if he had called fur an indemnity, or re vealed the transaction in the first instance, the be. neficial effect which he meant to produce by it would be destroyed by the disclosure ; that may be true, but is it a sufficient reason why he should con tinue the secresy alter the occasion for it had ceased ? He violated the law, but he left no memorial of his having done so. 'Could forgive a man who came to tell me that he had done me a very severe injury, bat that by that injury he had saved my lite; 1 could excuse the man who should tell me he had with- holden a just debt due to me, and that by havilig done so, he had saved my whole fortune. On the same principle I should excuse a Minister who vio lated the law for the salvation of the state, or some other adequate cause ; but I would also insist on some memorial or record being made of it to pre vent its being drawn into a precedent on less worthy occasions. We can all recollea, and many of us have felt, that the years 1795,1796, and 1 797, were years pregnant with very great distresses. In the year 1793, the distress of credit was so great that the Minister, after having made a very large loan, WAS under the necessity, in crater to make good the payments on it, to have recourse to the desperate expedient of issuing fictitious bills in the names of fictitious persons at Ilambureli, and accepted by the treasury. An expedient such as thi,, which would have ruined any mercantile house in the world, could not possibly have produced any great advan tages to a Government, and so it turned out; fur I believe little or no money was produced by it. and the discre.ditabie speculation materially failed. In this notable plan Mr. Boyd was the agent, and was pro bably the proposer of it also, for the hills were drawn by Mr. Boyd, his nephew. It may not be amiss oa this occasion to ask who this Mr. Boyd was ? Mr. Boyd WAS a man of an ardent, bold, scheming, and enterprising disposition, capable of great And com prehensive proje.ts, which looked alluring at first view ; he was an able man both in body and in mind, an inimitable accountant, equally capable of doing great things with his pen, and of defending them in argument, and of proposing vast schemes, whidi, in imagination, would make us rich as Crcesus, without doing the slightest injury to any one. Such a man, at such a time, was likely to gain much upon the Mi nister, and, accordingly, he possessed the highest credit with him. In the year 1795, Mr. Boyd con traited for a clear loan of eighteen millions. The Minister, however, had occasion in the same year to make another loan of the same sum, which was pro posed to he done by open competition. Mr. Boyd here interposed, and desired that it should he given to him. The Minister seemed to demur, and took time to consider of it, and the result was, that it should be put to a competition, and that Mr. Boyd should have a preference on the highest bid Wag of toe others. The other parties spurned at the proposal, and withdrew, which made the transaction end in a close loan with Mr. Boyd. The transaction was loudly complained of out of doors, and was made the subjeat of inquiry here, and, on the petition of Mr. Morgan and others, a motion was made for a Committee to inquire into it, which was set aside by the previous question. I mention this the more circumstantially, as it was upon this Loan that the call for the advance of 40,0001. came in. It is certain that the bargain was for a long time a very profitable concern to Mr. Boyd, for it ran imme diately to a premium of GI. 71 tsl. 91. 101. 111. and to even 121. per cent. Every thing went well for a while; but a fall having taken place, Mr. Boyd found himself under the necessity of making this application. It is also to be remem bered, that in the April preceding, Mr. Boyd also contrafted for another close loan of 3,500.0(101. and all this time he was selling at a very immense profit, though at length the tables turned, and the scrip began to be at a discount. Several people, foreseeing this, sold while a profit was to be made ; some tried to get rid of it, and sold when the premium was falling, others when at par,and several, to prevent farther risk, resolved to get rid of it even when it WAS at discount. There are, however, others of a different description, who would rather at any time keep the hay till it teas. Mr. Boyd, and some others, were of this de scription, for upon the enormous profits they had so long been accustomed to, they retained their scrip in their own hands till they came to the very, worst. I must again remark, that these loans were given to Mr. Boyd, not so much because he was a sure man, or because he was a Memher of P arlia mem, for that ought not to be supposed; but because the Minister foundhim so extremely useful in the affair of the l lamburgh bills already alluded to, and perhaps at would not be unreasonable to place the extrant... dinary and illegal advance of 40,0001. to the same account. In recurring to these transaalions, I with is much as possible to avoid speaking of Mr. Ben field. I cannot but feel for the situation of that ratlernan, who was unfort anately the partner of mfr. Boyd. I respell his unmerited misfortunes, and cannot but lament that he and his family have been such severe sufferers by the wild and chimeri cal speculations of his parolee. ny should not Mr. Boyd sell his scrip, as well as other people, if he wanted money and would there be any singu larity in his doing so, as he wa.s supported by the examples of the other great mercantile houses ? Supposing even the consequence to be that the fe.use of Mr. Boyd should have failed a little sooner, would it have had a greater, or rather would ia not have had a much less injurious effect (rpm] ere dit, than any of those mercantile houses, not subjett to such darin4 speculations, and known at 3411 to have *leis safiastely store substantial? How Ines t h;s Heel* f o r 171. c't o m ee , he rutioa ChaAc elk " . Member a tithe mon m ason, vr tente d OUI but th.tt th it to be supposed that the loan of 40,0001. e rn , a sum which could have produced any etien what•\ that b ane the . ffs -La House s e r e a z: s e a e ts i u . o . ri nin eas e n ever upon a house such as Mr. Boyd's was in • • r supposed to have been (litre Alr. said,acturriet d ,b e t n e, n t i ß l a o r w i e t I however, t, even any temporary effect was of such cmtld parity the violation of a law. 'Even on the suppoin tion of their selling the scrip at the greaten dim count, the utmost loss could he ran mere th a n 16,0401. which could be but a trifle to a l awn - im mersed in such stupendous engagemen ts . If the Right Hon. Gent. had no other reason to sateen them, he should have done it, even on account of their beiog in distress, which could only tu n , beech produced by their making so bad a use o f the immense. advantages they possessed in what is called the monied market.--I must confess that from early habits, and acquaintanc with mar. kets of another description, I have a great dislike to the word monied market, as I cannot well crimprt. bend the meaning of the term. When I hear et the eogreisKl:et, and the hop market, I understand tln phrase Wifely well, and it reminds me of him srho., indefatigable industry, and judicious exertioar transinftions with these markets I am indebted V, every thing which I have the happiness to be pin sessed of. The public, I believe, as well as the in, dividual who has now the honour of adireting you, may find reason to rejaice in the succe ss SI those exertions, and , the rewards which man stimulate the energies of industry : in errkhing an individual, they added also to the we a ls of those with whom he was concerned; aid in procuring wealth to himself, instead of hurtirg any man, he dilTused it. in a jest propartins, amongst those around him. Let others, if this please, boast of an illustrious line of ancestry. I do not envy ; on the contrary, I reaped them, I think the estimation of ancestors as useful for produci.ns emulation in the descendants. :15 the existence rank is neceisarn to the good order of a stn.. Every family, haiverer ,rent lad illustrious. 7:.11• have h Id its tiiunder ; and while others p. ide theiu. savers in their remotene is from their founder, I feel a pride ant hatisfafti..l ia beiag the nearest to mine. With these sentiments and impressions. I own that I cannot recognise the affinity which the monied market has to any other, nor can I bring myself to think of it but with disgust. When we hear of such things as stock-jobbing, waddling out of the alley, lame ducks, the numerous artitic-s, but. above the frequent and fatal forgeries which are committed through the means of this market, it cannot be view: ed but with abhorrence, compared with any Want and. if those concerned in them grow rich, 1 came esteem it obtained wiih s > much credit to the indis vidual, and so much benefit to the public, as Oa which has descended to Inc. These, Sit, are the sea sons, why I dislike the very name of money market. But, dismissing that sub:lent, it is said that is that market there is a way if getting at the votes of Members of this House—/repeated manners es the Align:trial sidr). I am vii y tar from saying that it is so. I certainly do not assert soy such thing myself; that would be unbecoming. But, in the ;vitriol; et many, and, perhaps, of the publictoo,itwas somewhat strange, that such loans should have been given only to Members of Parliament. A: the time :he Bank of England narrowed their cliscnunts, and particu larly to the house of Boyd, why did not the lkinht Hon. Gentleman inquire into the reasons for having done so ? It was unanertionably his duty to bare made the inquiry, for tile safety (4 the public ; and if he had done it, he would have found that the un bounded speculations of Mr. Boyd, in the Alley, gave them reason to strapetn the s olvency of the house. Mr. IlayJ represented to the Rig ;t Floe. Ge itleman, that the Bank narrowed their accornrier. dalions to him, only to oppress him; and wattle Right Honourable Gentleman inch a novice as to suppose, that onpressim could hive been their m itive, or that they had not other very sal. dent reasons for doing so? To set the mat:en however, beyond all contmverty, the fa .% is ktee vn. tit.tt the Bank had made representati.ms to the Gentleman upon the subjent, and inforti,el him that they could have no confideoce tbe seal. rity of Boyd, as it was his practice to make great illumines, and as often regularly to fail in them I will do the Right I lon. Gentleman the ju s tice to say, that he did not lend the 40,0001. without hav ing obtained security fur it; but lie should have confidence that Boyd ought to have other resource; without having recourse to so extraordinary a one as this was. It is further to be remarked, that in the midst of these einbarr isiments, the Hight Hes. Gent. had another transantion with Mr. Boyd fur sending 150,0001 to China, by the way of the Cape of Good Hope. I know not why it is, Sir; but Von I hear this silver contrati mentioned amongst mer cantile men, I always see them lolls ; but, as . t am not in the secret of this silver contra/1, 1 dint say no more about it ; and should not, perb*P`. have mentioned it at all, but to shew that hilt. Boyd at that time had the preference in every thing : Mr. Floyd had also other loans in the years 17951 and 1797 ; and nothing so fully proves the negli gence of the Minister, as that he took no means to inform himself of the circumstances of that gentle man, who was under extreme embarrassment long before these had taken place. [Mr. Whitbread here read entracte from several letters, in proof of the exigence of these embarrassments.] 1 find in a l etter which, previously to these loans in I . 7bG and 17 0 he wrote to Mr.l Bentishl, in which he told h i that he was a ruined man. In Augnst and h r• tenner I 7nti, he states, in letters to the same l i ce: ticman, the great distresses of the house, an.; !_'e great relief he found in a discount from a ra.sign house, with which he had been intim:o-1y ac quainted, of 50,0001. Ili, embarrassments, lie fur ther adds, were so great, that he was tinder the ne cessity of applying to ants:her 4111 utter, namely, to Mr. Pitt and V - isecunt Melville; white in prudence and policy his distresses ought ,tit* to be known.-- In stmt, throughout the whole of this !rerinl• his letters contain a shocking recital of to din tresses, all occasioned by his adventurous space lations in the Alley. It has been said. that after all there was no inconvenience occasioired by this advance to the payments of the navy, and I am ready to admit that no derranda on the Office of the Paymaster went unpaid at that time. It mast at the same tune be remembered, however, diet the navy bills were not paid with pra i ser panc• tuality. I remember, on a former °cease - s, "bell an Hon. Gentleman, aot at this time a Mernber sit coil I>l