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of that entire control and command errs over tite men, which at such •n the hot degree neces.ary. A Gentleman had enlarged at some atangerous consequences to be sow the circulation, a eh he believed w. •it wicked and blasphemous ',obit tussitrfacturing districts.. He (Mr, niade it hi. linsitie.s to have ingurri hy.steitils of some friends of 111., who had taken a _very moire share In the concerns of public educe. in; to the nature of the works in most gineral • it;.rettlitiott among sil•ehe union schools in the far , • '' county iii "question'. 'Fite hit! which they ••• titarned,rtind wit*" lie. Wit in' • aunt as the belt friend to the cause of morality, olul" .10 4 rNlKlotl *oat/wish) abo've Any Miters to be. Put Into 1"•••••• ' theliatids •ofilielower orders. lie etelieved there. ii , trot one of these achoola in which' the btisitiesi .#Ol 'af the doy 'Was not 'commenced by a hymn—not aot. owe la oftich the New Testament was vitt read.— t.• originathd lb stanchly schoolk r -they owed :-• ' t• their-origin to the btiteroleite of file rich, and the • A • .• cariosity mid want* of thepoOr: 1P The lion. Gen . safe '44•arlei t inftr *guild hector him 'Witt; the name of the 1 6 , •'4.! -! '1: . althool et which he had been Warmed 'the Was 'lo? • wililikwinus publication' he had cotiirlein}d of had ilher • bilkeess discovered,. he thought lie should he able to .alta;••• - P*Cliatince him thet'lfis information had h'et;ti incor ,•44•= 4 ' Ile said, that in no part of E4gland were kV - tete stronger religious feelings in the great mean 's••":'' .."InVthe populstion than in the county qnlatitte or tostrester. He was sure that it ace impo,sihle to p.ovf-rnEoKland iti the year 1819 . , ns it wns in 1719. (Hear, from smite Members of the • • The people of England would not anlotnt -to nii4- • ,itovernment, because their ancestors had. New • 1 " %light unit information were guile Atrial, through i r.'• • •" . :...the nation, end it becatne the House look into •ri • Pits nwh constitution, and consider whether lk would ••"'% • nat he v.i:e to - give the property of the country a ' • •." - widreeftective there then they iwssessed:iu the right • ',(4l 4 repfetientation. Ile was very far from swishing • - 14'Elininenance the wild and vit-ionary schemes a - - slferm ; but now was the ti:ne to 'peek out, eud he • *aid that the country was not sere for en hoar till 'Abe House herr consented to look into the state of ' t its own representation,--(ficar.)''ile most cor %2- ' ' 4 lfially concurred in the Atuesidnzent, but 'he was fdl' • Aid t Inns to see him it could be attached to the • s Addre.s. • Ms. IL WILBRAHAM rose to explain, and after sneaking for sonic time, was interrupted by the 'Speaker, who suggested that if such long exilic's- Co.:s were allowed to one Member, they would be 6 s-busied by all, and if a Member, in explaining, Appall at liberty to introduce new arguments, be did !rows to %Alt length ex plattanuos might 11111). •ftfenr, hear.) When the Hon. Member had concluded his es• Sir W. DR CRESPIGNT addressed the House. He related an anecdote communicated to him by a most respectable Clerg; man, an rye-witless, cons • roborative of the former statements respecting the inelties practised at Manchester, and repressed his aletermirtation to support the Amendment. Lord NUGENT acid, that his Alajesty's Ministers had not been content with -ussuining the illegality et the meeting, hut had also assumed that its ille gality II id been admitted by his lion. Friends who cud spoken ou his side of the House. But he lis t nctly and unequivocally denied that. The Noble Lord's (Castlereagh) evidence on this subject was nor admissible, for two reasons—first, because it was not evidence in chief, but on supposition ; and se condly, because the Noble Lord had made himself party to the transactions, by joining with his col fragiles in the expression of thanks to the Alagis reales. (Cheersfrom the Opposition.)-11e thought 'that Cie unanimous declaration of the Jury at Olds bum might be fairly considered of equal weight with the opinion of the Grand Jury of Lancaster. Even *opposing the meeting to have been illegal in all its tirciitristiticee, still they had not advanced one lisp towards vindicating his Majesty's Ministers for their hasty and precipitate rote of thanks to the Maws trete; Besides, it remained to be seen why the mill. tare should have been called out at all ; and if they should, bethought the yeomanry were the last who sight to be employed on such a service. The No. h!e Lord then noticed the facts of wine and brandy blving been served out to the yeomanry the morn- ).?g, of tier I G• 11— of constables !caving been injured by ti:em—and of the special constables having, in con. sNuence, broken and burnt their stave., and re. • fiissd to serve under the Magi,trates ; and pledged hiditelf to produce eviilence to this effect at the bir'uf tile House. The Noble Lord had told them that the CoOrts of Law were open to those who earceived themselves aggrieved by the proceedings of ilie 16:1i August. Hut who was it that told bem th a t ?-.:who was it that thus had pressed • ilpou Am the *lama ratio of the law? Why, the very individual who, two years before, bad in : • " tr,nloced an Indemnity Bill—(Cheering)—and ' 11;iv at • period when • actions had b.esi coin. • silenced Sichnouth:—(Load elsterivw • er r° at the Opposition. )-- . -The Noble Lord hail told rl-en t that juries were not fit judges of such things— , that they shhold be left to the Parliament. Now • • thtl'''lttirle Lord !mid, that juries 'were the pro. • °. lAr•jadges. and not the Parlicaniewt.—(Cheers.)— '. .^ Did Out such isiconvi.tettey indicate • design of ' .- Vnatherrsili all inquiry ? After several other °bier. ••• ••• •elititnis. the Noble Lord; in conclusion, entreated •••••' •the House. fisiGol's Wake, to consider the duties • 'fierttib •disiintige •T which they ivere met, sod to •••• •rfte'nfleci, that if thiay ifssild separate withoOt in. '• • ''-qt!tuting Out eismioition which it wee the object ' anOstulment to effect, that it would go %throat! I'mSfiw.'tfle public that a numb:4 of :nen 'assembled 'wise of shi important right. had been at. Yftfe sword, itid litany of them ',engines. AlflildjeAy • is Ministers bad prevailed 1:•e to'snalte theradielves parties to.screen th,ora efstich initiatgwa from discovery and t:L(Load'eheveP 4, f 'lotto thought Itttli all setisiiile men in .'"' ui* if their ears, that the Him. tkd the illegality of the slept r night alike, ire a reservist:on. He would even give' die would try'the of the 'netting be tiseight that elne H sri ti m ea li. •e :. 'Oa '4 , Otil I' • . : : • •- • _ ::,r •, • : down— Mr. PIIILLIPS, of Manchester, and Sir F. Ruattssrm-preiesited themselves at the same time. .The•Hoisae . .were load iu their calls of Sir Fronds 7 "' hut the SPILAIrIt decided it in favour .of f l ttit.ttra.. He remarked on the anxiety of Ilie‘ 4 4entlemen on the Ministerial side to urge his ,frirnsis into an admission of, the illegality of the meet*. He *himself would not decide ; but it appesert clear to him, from the variety mind con trariety 9f qpinions and facts already slated, that inquiry was not only essential, but to the peace and security of the rotatory. He ...mild not express his opinion of the Manchester Magistrates; he had cautiously avoided doing so in the neighbourhood, and having reverie(' himself on this head, that he might confine lii• endeavours to his duties in Parliament, so he would be cautious of expressing his sentiments, even in that House, without full and fair examination. He owned that the district of Laneiodoie was diomtbrd. When he first heard of their military 'billing, he could not but own that it intlicaisd no friendly intentions to the Government. Throughout the whole of his speech he endeavoured to impress on the House the necessity of grouting inquiry. The SOLICITOR-OF.UERAL rose in reply, chiefly to the legal argunteids of the Honourable Gest tb.men odposire. This was a part of the subject which lie charged them with cautiou,ly avoiding. He then went into a recital of the circumstances of the Manchester meeting, and the transactions of the Radical Reformers 'before and since. Hr insisted on it, thit the Manchester meeting was out only illegal, hut treasonous; lie endeavoured to prove a general conspiracy between the .R . adical Reformers, Hunt, Carlile, Harrison, nod others, to alter the constitution; the principles of an nual Parlisiments, universal suffrage, and vote by ballot, under which they shelter-I their doing., were treasonable doctrines, inasmuch as they proposed a subversion of the constitution. He quoted several strong passages from the writing. and speeches which had been issued latterly through the cheap press, and by the speakers at the Radical Reform meet • togs, which, be insisted on it, were corroborative proofs of a seditious and treasonable conspiracy among the n'aove-mentioned parties. The Magis trates, he said, so far from having acted hastily and severely, noted with caution, and almost with taut= duty. To them it appeared absolutely necessary, • from the repreventatiou of Mr. Nadu', to employ military force; they did so. and were assailed by the populace before they struck one blow, and if excesses were committed, it was not to the account of the Magistrates these excesses were in be imput td. The conduct of those who attended the meet ing bordered on treason. The only duuht was, whether it was or was not treason. Sir FRANCIS Bunt:MTr said, he could not do justice to his feelings on this important occasion, if he did not accept the invitation which iseetned to be thrown out from all sides of the Honer, fur him to deliver • his sentiments ou the preaent alarming situation of things—a situation of danger obvious to all who are not interested in that systeiti of wasteful expenditure. of illegal aggression, and of intolerable taxation, to which the emititly wilt no longer submit, and is 110 longer aide to lienr. Discontent existed in the country which, he feared, could not be removed by the mode suggested by Ministers in the Speech fiorn the Throne. In cases of difficulty and of danger whoa would rational men do ? Tnry would iiivestigate the causes of them, in order to remove them ; but ignorant and rash men would try palliat:ves, and violent palliatives, which would be sure to produce great mischief to the body H&c, or otherwise, suffering under complaint. In the course of the debate he had heard eery extraordinary pro. positions laid down ; he had heard docrilies broached which in former times would be con sidered highly uncoustitutionol. Whet: lira he sat as a Member of Parliament, such doctrines would not be hazarded from i,iiv side of that House, or, if they were, they would have been re ceived with marks of discountenance and disappro bation which would, at least, have prevented their repetition. So many contradictory statements had been made, so many modes of argument, toed such opposite views had been taken in the course of the debate, as to point to this plain conclusion, namely, the necessity of inquiry. A Learned Foiend of his at the opposite vide of the House, at least a Gentle man who was once a friend of his, the Chief Justice of Chester. had that night Lod down doctrines which would astonish him had he iint been too long acquainted with political men to prevent him from being surprised tit any thing he heard. Indeed the argumems of his Learned Frigid, and of the Hon. and Learned Gentleman (the 'Solicitor-Genet-al). were altogether opposed to the arguments of the Noble Lord (Castlereagh). He squad not help saying that Gentlemen of the long robe did nut appear to bier in be the best judges of certain ques-' tions iu that House. He for one would protest against their authority on• great • cooititutional points of law. They may aid the House with the technical part of practice, but on great con stitutional questions there were nu Members he would listen to with 14) little CW1 , 110101 4 111111 1/1 1 11 sor little deference to their authority, as the Gentlemen o$ the long robe. it appeared to him that the interference ul these. Cesairelneti aided little the• prudent line of &fetter taken by the Noble Lord—he eoufined biazselfi a. it weir, to one point--.he put alt molten previous to the ammo of MA. Hoot otit of. The •911estibO—lie said that up to that moment, the Magistrates had no right to interfere—that appeared to be an an swer, au far as it went, to the speech of * Learned Gentleman (Sir J. Matkintolh); but- what were -the assertions of the Hen. rind Ltiorited Geti ileum; ii (the Solicitor General) He-void tharall the meetings which had been held ibioughoot• the country similar to that at Matecheoteitere and the 'doubt waoi. - Whether they were not monk. ahle—rithad poor been sad,- that ills times wets. cruel when two were traitors and bum it *it poet ate •gi ;Illsocissitei did - . . Vidal • • • •41 0 •I' • 01114 t • f• - • I •• 1 "A. 4. • • • • • L . 10. 4 4") ILA I hS 10 a of clanger, After the Zs elln*r4l to kilt rage of they are Wee promoted test v;olenee wore. thotise tkeu in- lIY useution Act. that they were traitors, and not only were not traitors, but their acts and their conduct ; Went to prose that they meant to act according to law.— Hear, hear.)—True, they mullet to act in a nom iste that would give effect to the averting—end I surely in this they were right—for, traretiog for a certain object, it was their duty to promote that object its well as they could. That object clearly was, the redress of very heavy grievances.. Ever since the A ineriran war, and more particularly for the host ten or twelve years, the people o f this comilry called aloud for • reform iii the Parliament. it was not necessary for lino to elate what reform would satisfy the . people, or shot redress they ought or ought not to obtain ; 'that was a subject for argument, but it wee ' no reason for petting them to military execu tion. The Honourable mid Learned Gentleman (the SoLcitorsGeneral) hail stated atone curious' reasons for not going into an inquiry. He avid that the Government all through were in the right, or if they wore at all nrorg it was only in thiui, that they did twit act with sufficient vigour, anti th-rcforr, said the Hon. and Learnell Geotfeinalis it is mill 'vise to impute any thing to them. But this w a s no proof whatever of the just conduct of Govern 'meta.. they might have been equally blameable In having relaxed the power of the Susie in some WO •atances, as in having Carried that lower tau fur in others ; they might have hero guilty of sins of omission as well as of commission, sod he.iucrrely believed they were ; certainly they appeared to hive 'been ao from the defence of the Honourable and Learned Gentleman. The honourable and `l..eartied Gentlemen said, that the meeting at ,Ikhatichester was treasonable. and he proved it, from the ciicunistance of certain banners bay. fug been displayed there---as if banners had nut been many times displayed by the people of ''England on public occasions. Hot the words " Li berty 01 Death" were inscribed on those baiiiiers. 7 ... and was that is crime?—these were inscribed on every true English heart, and power can never eradirate Ahem. until the English people lose the lioldest at. tribetelsof their, elinroeter, and exchanged the men timelits of truth and freedom for the Luse amt Pride irieeb of eilivee.' Whether it was prudent to hold diocussions at that mertiug=eawlietlier those I'libieniestOililsete likely to promote good, was a elif -7 fareht question, brit certainly their was no high treason in holding that meeting, 110 cause certainly' 'for fU'utting these to military execution. If what. - 111,b' Hon. and' Leer'oed." Gentleman had said, with l'ilijket to the law; Sraiwell founded, thirst it woe • 'lwork clear that there *se nu cause for altering that • law. If the law was already so revere tit.ii it was ' treason foilhe people . to meet in large astierinloiev, these .there was too reason to alto the law for pipe -poses of severity. It might be well to make the Is more liberal and more mild, but surely it was slot . necessary to make it itioreeoireives But he de nied the legal construction (tithe Hitte. and Learned Gentleman, and those ulto *impelled him. lie was net afraid, on 'conifititioteal points, to meet the Le•estied Gefolettsaii is that House, fir guy where else. It the •susitti't seqoired the fearioing of a lawyer, he would bow to their authority, hut in jodging of Kroft constitutional questions, nothing more was required them common souse and coo n un bovrsly. Tiw debut of the Hon. and LeJrneil G e n.. tlemaii was rather unfortunate. Ott this questiou he might be placed hereafter in the situation of q Judge. ILa zeal seemed to have conquered his hole' reason—for hid he taken a longer time to think , lie would not have preferred an accusation tig.licst persons on whose trial he might heirafter sit as Judge. he would have reserved the displ.iy of those talents which all the world knew lie pus. Sesst d. The Hon. and Learned Gentleman had chclared the meeting illegal. It was by no means necessary for the Right Honourable Grutlemait who moved the amendment to shew the meeting was legal ; far if the meeting was illegal, a priori there on°. cause for inquiry, fur the Magistiates and yeomanry had oo sight to act with an much severity as they did. How could it be accoulited for that altogether otnitird the subject ies Speech from the Throne ?—how could they be de fended in giving the memorable answer to the City of Lon you Address I—but, above all, bow could Ministers be excused for the letter of shanks to the yeomanry cavalry of Nlancheater P—a declaration which he verily believed the mind of his Itiyal Highness could not sanction, and his better leeliogs would condemn. lei that letter his Royal Highness I. made to say 9 that lie felt satisfaction—at what ? at the prudence and forbearance Of the yeomanry cavalry?' —at the mild and bloodless manner in which they behaved ?—not at all ; but satisfaction at ',Lc promptness and alacrity wills which they spilled the blood of their unfortunate countrymen; that was tile satisfaction expressed in the Royal Aildrqs. Was the meeting illegal ? If it was, the Magistrates and yeomanry haul no right tii snake use of force or they did; they were nut authorised to do so under the law. The Riot Act had been'ever considered a disgrace to the Statute Book, fur its severity ; but it seems we now life in times when the Riot Act is considered too lenien!, The Riot Act'sais, the people are to lie dispersed where 111.. y meet illegally, but it dues not say that they are to he cut down stud murdered. Thee Riut Act does not say that a **bow skull be disposed. that the people.are to be put to the avverll. meteoroid of their danger, merely on suspicion that the averting might produce drojit-r. A distinct over-act must be proved. It will nut be etunigh for a person to say I believe, or suspect we shall have it riot—it is not enough that some person full of old-womanish fears should in. dulge i, loser • tire—plain :04:114 worst, - . .tivcietaiy of PAi'cei old Goren. rd Gentifin • • -• • inquiry; • SO the Corr:. able to the constitutional kihrrty—to justify the employment of soldievikliti tie pretence that they were citizen?. Lad the( sewing red emits (lid not exclude them from the rights eicititetts. Bit this Is o forced cuustroctioo. It was absurd to say that men. living under a code ',Prober to themselves, obeilietit to certain individuals, not daririg to die. obey the orders they receive, it was absurd that they had a right to interfere in civil concerns. Mai ti,re foie.- was always destructive of liberty. I hope, said the Ilon. Baronet, that the army of this 1111 l is try will not draw their swords against that liberty —I hope so, and I thiuk so—if I did not,' should he isiihappy ; I should tremble for the rights of Engliskinen, exposed as those rights would he to the present tremendous military force. Coining 'beck to the imputed . illegatity of the Manchester Inertial:, if it were illegal, it was clear that Mr. Hunt was the most culpable person present.; lie :was the instigator of the entire ; if the meeting was treasonable, as line been asserted, wile not seize capon the heal!, why not apprehend Mr. Ham Mr. !Loot, on this occasion, acted wills snore wis. dam than his Majesty's Nlinisters or she Magistrates o f Manchest e r—be went to the Magistrates and asked them whether they had any warrant against him—if they had any charge tag oust him that was the time so execute their warrant. The answer of the Magistrates was, that they hail 1110 charge against him. The learned lawyers said the meeting was illegal, why then dill the Magistrates allow it to take ',lace P and were they not guilty is well in this relaxation of the lee as they were far the violent Pe e s r„1i.,,, of the military 011 all after occasion ? Why nut prevent mischief—why not prevent the necessity -of employing military force—why expose men, women, and children to•military exectitiou for the mere porpoise, as thee fay, of executing a legal warrant ? An Hon. Baronet (Sir Wm. de Cress Many) had stated, that the military were so disposed that men were prevented by lines of soldiers from eicaPing this scene of slaughter. Talk of conspi- . ,iticiea I what wifis• this but a foul conspiracy agai n st the lives of him Majesty's subjects? nod when those lives were sacrificed, and when merciless troops had sabred the itioffensive, the weak, and the aged, this was called in the British Parliament ton great roibearauce on the part of the military, and a want of promptness in the Government ! Redress at law was talked of; it had been said that iiiiliettnents, and actions at law alight be sus tained. It was passible that if the poor women could identify the yeomen who cut them down during the heat of a ',elk-well massacre they might have 1111 action at law. But what was this to the people of England—swhat was this to the invaded Constitution ? ‘Ve be!;eve (said the lion. Baronet), at least 1 fishey e th a t (i”7:rnmemt was at the bats tom of all—for I thou . . ' •4-1-!tt dare to act as the Meer' •: •• a , nit t out she sanction cerded from the t Lord Sitlmeuth • ~•~~ 1. . l'fl t :;t• .I .t •• • • , heitttl: t ' ; o r $f ChP2tir r. i s ri n trl*o . _ . j i • l.~tirl i+ ibis ii-•:i.4o.•net of 1iih0,41)441 Envy.'Ad triro r;ttt~~ •• , Ya, . r ,•r t'~e • • Solseitt.r for Vaille - r E !igloo(' : ; :ire tn unto:tic?: a 4 n rota; :r. ir• inn ? ' t - A!vc:r..e nf the goes firm. it 'lot the Nets tiotorioni : !.: ..:rout them—no ; 4t '.:' man liesitatta bt; , _l'Cl.llV:Crill:H Jett hive place. :But what has the "cdroaaei's Inquest effect ed ? What can theagent effect That Gentleman (11r. Hemet) had oetec( to his infinite honour as a • firofessiottal noiro.-he had displayed spirit. vigilance, and profeasional skill ; but be can do nothing in this vestion; the people of England look higher ; their rights have beet; invaded; their fellow-come. trymeu haaie been cut down in open day ; the fields of our country have been "tinned with English bl,•tod; and we demand a verdict from the prat inquest of the itati. , n.—/Lood cheers.) — The Chief .Ju•tmce of Chester, one of his quondam') reforming friends, hail rat.eal an argument which teas unntortliv of him. Ge said it was asserted that there was no confidence in the [foliar of Common's 'mil yet an inquiry wed sought from that House. Goit ktiowr there was little confidence in the•llouae of Commons, hot to , say that there was no cou6- deuce iu tt, wool(' lie saying too much. Ally man of •ruse or shame would lament to see the Goose of Common' so much as it would be by refu•iu7, to inquire into this transaction, ',opposing the ease capable of being made out, and supported as we charge it can be supported. A• to prejudge ing the question, we do not prejudge, we (ily se ethe it wily where erriy ciieuinsiaoce about him twitters our to 'oppose him guilty. Accusation. is nut prejrulgingt-111 110 rase can it be culled so. eve') a•l a re a prr•nn r. es imirsler committed, he does not prejudge the murderer when lie lays his accusation before the proper tribune!. At Manche-ter blood was shamefully and cm. idly shed—rights the most sacred have been in. cadrd, awl n precedent the most atariniog bias been set. Will the noose of ceeinsi" 4 7 its vote. refuse to dire the public an iota of iiiitiOrne. Nn, let tits• Floure of Common" do its duty —let it rehire by Its acts the charges of corruption that inivr Iteril brought against it. The people say that a reform is alooloirly necessary—that rotten di•graerfuh. ft is said im the other hat - borough', -excep• act this Reform- so it' soul . her Immo. _ cut usiquestsoned preferred a Lan it Was • • no tloubt —of the dif f iculty Of obtaining jun.% there is no doubt —every impediment is stsrfais h ,„ the way—unosual powers are assumed by Ofh,„ *lin never attempted to as sume such po..ter. , fore—reels Magiatrotes cannot be brou g h t t ,, lieve that they are b oun d to prover. , to acs exa m .: station of the circumstances connected tank the cities of the Hilt of Aogost. As tor the Grei.t. Jury of Lancashire, it was almost impfsailite to be. lieve that English Gentlemen could sli me ti t ,,, trust and vtobtte their piths. Tloir dectscon, ao slcolit. appeared extraordinary t o t ! inse who do not know the cause as induced the tiert i ,o • yet etchi t h e G ram ' Jurors might. int, did. ou d ou b t , het from e rute notion of their sluts. Is le 111411(1111CM WAS preferred tinder lord El:Polio, rough's Act—*tiete are massy difficulties almost that Act, mod possibly the Grand Jury thou g ht sh e they could not, under that Act, Mid t.fe pats:. cola, bills of indictment presented to them, A, MM. and Learised Gentleman from Ireland, w t s smoke la•t night, said that there was no delay ~f J amie ... I say then,: is. Why was not the Curoher'si. luque4 not proceeded on ?—why wag an rimirovu u r snide to keep the proceedings sff th it - Court secret ? why did the Corouer attempt to couvert that Court into a private room, and to comma Gentlesi sh who were taking notes ?—why afterwards did the Coroner refute to go on ? This *Late is Bit unusual orp, and it , wands .ttut the Court of tide, it stem., has hh as , applied to, and has ordered some proceedings; hit do these proceedings prayr that the Rim Act wisp read—that military rorce•was scot employ e d to rt. vent the people from making their escape from the general ISINMISCre There thing% are cli.stged. It s• asserted that they C 3,1 estabreched.—'.io, an, from a Gentlentan al the Manioc, A Gentleman says "No ;" but g Ow pilot' en oppor.eiaity or proving the facts at your It has btett said that there is no :w.tit; , bri of in ou she principle of the essis.tasnufsi, es estohlf•hed by Use Bill of Itfg'ffs. I atn gfiot to hear it ton accompanied by the I tor. U tsc . Ileums (Mr. Plunkett), but by so many r.soricum. and provisions, as to feeder the rxe:cise oh I , at rig!st impossible. Ile said meeting. sere •ienatieside sly d ri bv great ,cumbers, and wldtrr alt r c • ni i ioot be e enntrodcd by the rival pow.. Now, whet becomes of this impnr•aot tarn,. right of Englishmen ? If they ni.et tivstnall num_ tier', they are considered contemittilde-.-ilsen 111.. y nit et in great numbers, and they art told that they commit hizh treason. How are they to suer! parishes ? Here the civil power may amount ; 0 two comisables, but the pariah meet:n i g cannot hr controled by these constables, therefore e parish meeting is illegal. He could not tinder. stand this right thus defined ; he could siot rt unl i : ,d er e sth o id whys r i som the eoeloleCtitmoencsi—ttio Gentlemen— i t m isi e .r o t o l t i y end it was nothing. It was said that the mien!' ~ of the people were mischievbus—whera proof of that ? was it not a fair ground for irsqs::-i? An Hon. Gentleman hail said, that the peop;- ' tra ein , fidence in that House, that !hey consel• .1 i• • etirely under the influence of a ifesnireh i•t. siarvosed to exist in that House—r •••sfsiti • rough interest I—why, was it not :tr rd- . that that interest etifted—..7.3 - :cot 5i.". ! e•7.• (Castlereagh) detected jwlseirTntstrio'..,ti., i of the Crown to ob;faisa isess.e, ass Moralise* It was II gross blots* obit 3 . _5• t " * . • ' to puttibli °rat ofr•nrt rommittrd . 1 .; orr. • a', sentenced tm !* p: Z. ' • ' finned three ycur., t!, •:%„ • Lord, he was ai pure rs eesit, lie was • private corruption—the Noble Lord 'qi... tering the patronage of the Ct , .a o. it were not for the acknowledged rottenness of the system, the Noble Lord would be itapeoclie(l; but he might say, let any man bee Nigel the !'' • offence throw the first stone. lie (Sir Frans.' wools) not be that men—(4 I.;ng(i)—he would not impeach hint for a crime avoreelly committed by most of his predecessors. The system cannot go on—large rstaldislinients, standing atones, which the Noble Lord would call vigour, will only in crease the public distress, and will be pure to elect with a re-action, and the people sinl the Govern ment will go on. opposed to each other. until 'cent% of blood, of cruelty. and oppression, will take place, similar to those which were acted iii irelatid ; and the English Parliament, like the Irish, corrupted. debased, and enfeebled. will do the last act of jus tice, by committing an act of suicide. The pe‘qile will be glad to take refuge under any form of Ga.. vertiment that might rid them of a Parliament which would drive them to madness and despair. The Hon. Baronet then went on to defend the. Reformers of England from the imputation of im piety with which he said they were •eru.ed. and deprecated the notion of metmtre. short of re form producing any thing like pei raiment good in the country, and concluded by expre,sing his de termination to vote against the Address.• Mr. WYNN spoke in favour of the Address. SirJfriend i tt o ti rr u r,, S r :l3 . IthluGs hot would p oui r d nf v es o s t e e el fo li r im t i s ., el a! Address. ddr w es a s r . in 11 1 1 r. Lite i t m .Tos spoke of against ie must tI ie Address. eloquent 6r. cA T La, one speeclws wa ever heard him deliver, took a review of the proceedings nt Manchester, and the rpettings consequent upon it. that had taken place in.variou, parts of the kingdom. He contended that in nist-nce hail • Caw been mails out to justify interposition of the House to interpose between i.e subject and Ins redress is Courts of Law, ti 1.- shun Id there be able to esosidisli hisctsini. Right Han. Gentleman then arraigned, at on,•- derable length the misrepresentations which is I been circulated ; their repetition and retract/nuns by souse WI , . Gents. in different parts of the country, but he .1111 msisted that in the interim much mischief had benis done before the falsehoods were contradicted. He would not deny that much of sulfeting had twoo inflicted on the people at Manchester on the lti:11 August, but upon the heads of the wretches aAo had assembled that meeting. sits) whose dative; attempts to dissolve the frame of civil society hid fr.! to the fast result be the blond which was on that slay shed. Fur this affair Wasters were held to be "' puissible. At one bust. hie Hoe, and Learned Friend opposite (Sir J. Mackintosh), thought the butane.* so important, that nothing but a Parliamentary in. quirt could, renter ibtieet souther, so small, swab 4 .:) 1. i • ' ~; ,~~i~~ toul in the of& and complimented the 'Teeth of Mr. Plinikettg 4 a moment were which WA her') charged by ttur Hon. Gentlemen In H ruble o;apoeite as !Xi!lif. a apCCIIIIVV of intend ',trading. F lengl . - lire TlLearitail Grstletna o went n Alt wnt into' a long ib ireheii< lop I P4olMtnitiiivr dijo), of the . Manchester meet. v.,+ eirryipiy."' jag. NO cenclrred'rar ow-inference of the Ole- licatiens ‘in ille Kalif of that Meeting by objecting to the Amend- ,. -liennett)--lrd . .arras. • --. 'ries chlidoCiid, in the belief Mud the town might be s-t no I side that 1111 reform is ;wet-sooty, that rott•ii boroughs, plai t; open violence must lw comta;'ted, such sod tile spirit' dial stiiiiitirir them, huevrv.r excell- r roo ts of eirmums would imply the appearauce tionAile in theory. ore ro Ito !ir practically good. iger, before the •Itioe Act c.., 1 b e rewi. And I Will their act of this 'sight prove Jt—will their act this the Riot • Act is rea d, allu v ia c e •li i i ii time flight surwriaud confutellve charges of the Reform.. liked fo r th e m e eting to disperse. have the en: If the hotrolighsys , •nr, which i. described es so l force a right to desk in amongst the people. proiligususly line, work. so well, Irt ow behold its t and to maiin them, to commit all the out- Iruit thus night, in the triumph of law, of justice, and or unreitranied military execution L No; of mercy. 11 was mice paid that a woman with her are to hike up . the ring-leaders—those who child richer arms aught go through the world mom°. promoted disorder, 1 1 10 :they are allowed to Irsted—hut the ruffian cavalry refuted that hu- lairime necessary fur that purpose. hut ISO Mille I,ll .arfVUtillni•-•••WOInell and children were cut There is nos in the Act • word to sit- down by them—aro! it was un unquestioned e sabrimg . ll/ aN directions. Indeed. as for fact, that our woman with her child preferred a plaint before Ole G ran d . J ury o f L ao- re force, military establishments were nut in - the contemplation of the country, and caelitre. id whom they heard so much. and it was whim is made oT military force in the equally tree that the bills- of indictment were thrown Old; DO 1 Meal' to ma li gn t h e G ran d dory i s . t esm il ie d f a r Lord Miliffield—sa artful • -i t . sijas 4 L W couritY is Indebted, fuF ttik Powohle they h a d w h a t appeare d to them 1 10044 i ki owl Mag MX not ratelir• ‘ 406 1 remove far duet but of the t there s •,•••• % in; fact -• • pmesei 5O I:Art* l . 4.4 15..111 I II M 1