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ro se), were deprived of reward..—while reg i i , c a s ~a t were on the sea, coming from America. who . I not arrive till Imo,: after the conflict—officers, 0.0, st the time of the engagement, were Inane ins St J i mes'a-street—who afterwards proceeded to , s ir chaieel, ea I iurgeois, to Pans—thee were acted worthy of receiving a peciiiiiary gratitiea. Nut only the Officers themselves, l os t their servant' were rewarded. /Igloo, how were -.e merit; al silo-odious treated ? There wire cn oa eels in the fi - hi , and th e wonedeil were toe distance of rigid or ten miles from th e sl o p, for relief. Toe persons who oidontoestervil to ea sud rmg. ought tie have been timaill.-red as if • y we re nn the field of battle. •I'lley were, how refused any iesticipation iio the inexe-tilieley. : r a l lele not of surgeons who were r•riit not to dowels after the little, but of those Gentlemen - , :to were on the spot on the 15th, 16 le 17th, and -9th of June. They clearly came tinder the idea f haring been engaged iii the !rattle—they were eiertfore entitled to a share of the iorir--inoney— hut they were most unaccountably cut oust and .Icluded. In the case of a foreign corps, the Ilmoverians, the circumstance I-ordinary. The exception to this ens a singioler (sr. Three who ran sway from their regiment were rewarded—those who remained, were deprived .1 remoneration.--(!leaf, lieur.)--It was a fact 'at those who ran away from their coheirs oil the veld of battle, but joined before the :limy re:seheil Paris, received a share of the prize-mu:ley. . They %sold have got nothing if they st not oat the field— tut they Were paid because they fill Sir A. Hots expressed his unwise that an 1 11,15. Member (Mr. Hume) could wish to discharge from ter Royal Asylum the orphan children of those who had perished ie their country's reuse, because it maunder' expense of 36,0001 a-year. Mr. Ileut interrupted the gallmit Officer. All lie said was, that it was a matter of coosideretioni, whether the Asylum should in future lie supported to the weld which hail beta deemed necessary in former years. Ile woold be the last man to pro pose the tete of the children should be discharged. Sir A. HOPE said, he vial happy to be corrected, and would, as lie load misunderstood the Hun. Member, tools over the subject. With respect to the Nlilitaiv College, he would ask, whether the propriety of having Or of riot buying ail eetalilish- Anent of that kind, was not frequently investigated by Committers of the House of Commons, who art nMriv decillid in fivour of the I.istututioa 'The chive.- mode against the establishineut were I.llactous. Its benefits were not confined to the army—it was useful as far as the generel j o iereara 6.ielety were voiscetised—heetcciSe it was the ine t!iiint through which the sons of military meat were rented up in leinciples of honour and true pa trioitisin. NVitli respect to the complaint which had been made es to the unnecessary extent of the staff, it would be well for Gentlemen to consider whether it was nut better to have iii efficient staff, capable of doing the duty of the country, instead of looking for the aid of fo• rtign nffi. rrs, as formerly wag the case. lie de nted that the tbiti of the Military College Iva' at all disproportioned to the establishment. The charge was stated to lie 6,000/. per annum, and it was quite o bvious that this sum covered all the eepenses of the offices of the estalifislionetit. 'When the fist reduction of the College took place, there were six staff officers employed to its iltilies. Of these, three were reduced. The Groves nor, Lieut.-Gov erionr, and Inspector of Military lost rue.. ton renteilied. The Governor's doors were rein,. save, and of a very general nature. The Lent.. Governor had mot only to do the duties which wete performed by the per.on also filled the situation originally, but he also discharged the duties of Commandant of the Junior Department,which afire lead been abolished. He was, in fact, performing a double duty. In like manner, the Inspector- General of instruction saved the public the income of a Conmiatirlant of the Senior Department, mid also of au iissistunt to the Commandunt, %Ich n offices weer merged iu his. Voider these circuits *toners, 110 charge Of extrevegauce could be sub stantiated against the management of tke lusti- Sir I. Covets said, lie meant to find co fault with the estimates now before the House. Ile hoped, homelier, alien the estimates connected with the service to *loch he belonged were submitted for consiehretion, that Ministers would manifest au equal degree of I herality. Lord l'A t mEitsrom said, it would be most in convenient to adopt the suggestion of the gallant Officer (Ciolooiel Davies), who was anxiiitis that the number of reeinients should he decreased, lint that those which remained should be placed on the highest establishment. The consequence of this would be, a great separation of carve, a hieli ought always to be ;mottled if possible. Fatloe extreme was bad. It aes a vicious system, when too go. .it a number of regiments were employed. and it was 'quell) faulty, to trust to a few, placed on it very high e stablishment. 'rite principle sin whit Is lice military establishment was at preterit fixed, com bined as many benstits as, under existing circuisi- Stances, it was possible to hope for. The ruble Lord flirt' proceeded to defend the institution of mi litary schools. 'Des formed, he observed, nit im portant nursery for rearing efficient of for any future event which may require the services of the military in the cause of their country. The illus.. tnous personage at the head of the army was by ion means insensible to the claims of the individuals nn the balfspay list, en many of whom bad been very distinguished in the arduotts efforts of the war. During the war, trout the very nature of the sera vice, commissimia were not filled from the half-pay list us often as it might have been wished. But. since the peace a saving to the county, estimating the half-pay at twelve years purchaee, had been effected to the amount of 4,678,0001. by filling up vacate commissions from the half-pay list. l'he Noble Lord then described the admirable chanter of the !filitary Asylum, and the necessity of giv. lug it adequate support. It educated and pro. tected the orpliaus of soldiers who had perish ed in their country's cause, and 111110 the chil dren of such officers as were ordered on foreign service, and who were consequently tumble to superintend that education thenwelere. It had been intimated that in time of peace this Asylum was not so much waisted, and therefore the expense might be reduced ; but he assured the Committee that the applicatious for admission from persons fully c.litled t.s that bmefit, at peseta ex ceeded the funds consicierably. In fact, lie knew no public institution better entitled than this to the liberality of the !loose, With respect to the ob serestions which hid been 'wide on the sobject the disirilrist of the VVaterlun prize-money, lie thought he could give a very satisfactory explana tion. From the toriliciolr a Inch governed that do tribution, the medical officers attending the wound ed at Iliorsel• were necessarily excluded. The pose-money for the butte of Waterloo was given as s gratuity to the army engaged in that great aclitevemeor, and ale, in tie capture of Paris, which followed it. The bile of diennarcetioti drawn tin the occasian was, that the whole of the Allied Army engaged in either of these services should receive the gratuity. This arrangement of course excluded the garrison at and those in the other for tresses iii the rear of the army in Flanders. This necessarily °oersted to the exclostion of the Bel gian, II moveriim, and Prost:ion troops etationed ill such places. Prize-money toast be defiled to be a particular ortatineration for brilliant service—M(li . victual capes of apparent hard.lul. would arise me der any airisugersielits, but they were 111$3V01 , 1%thle. Au officer ought to look at prize-money as a sort of wield-fall, winds lie should rej see at getting, and lint one that lie might to complain of lasing. No 1111 , 111 COlll,l 41.1111 it the eminent services of the medical ()titers of the artily, end their great effi ciency us the field; lint in this case, if the medical officers stationed at Brussels were admitted to a participation of the prise-moiley, tine troops who a err placed there should also souse in for the sane. This would at once lead to a similar extensimi to the oilier fortresses in the Netherland., and the principle would equally apply to the nieilit•al offi cers on service at Deal, who soperiotesirled the wounded soldiers that wer- cuaveyed to that place alinedy alter the battle. Tile grant for this year could mit be objected to any fate reason by the Gentlemen opposite, for it made a reduction as low as that called for by an lion. and Learned Gruitlenusis (Sir Wm. Bur.. rough.) last yew, and eusioiderably more their wii• called for Ivy • Noble Lord opposite (Lord Al 'hog.). who had made a motion for the reduction of 5,000 men joist at the same period. (lent-rid Gascolsts could cot concur in the coostructiaii which the Nolde Lord put on prise money, winch he seemed to think the ellect of chance rather than the reward of brilliant service. Lord PALMERSTON explained that be usenet to pot no such construction—all lie hart stated was, that the prise-money was Iflllited to O. army actually in the field, either at Waterloo or at the capture of Paris. General GASCOTIII was glad to bear this 'spin. nation given; still. however. he thought the medi cal alEmrs immediately strewth% on the wounded at Brussels ought to have been considered in the distribution of the prim-money. ID the lite pro motions he certainly believed that the appointments were made in two c lees out of three 'lwo sissy were riot takers oat of the half-pay list, from pro 'nee, made to meritorious officer', who haul faith fully served their country. lu his own regiutiesit lie could state, that the only live vacaiscies which oc curred were tilled up from the half-pay list. Lord AL - risotto said, that its nis allusion hod been made to his motion of last year, for a reduc tion of 5,000 uteri from the military department of the public service, he tlionglit it right to state, that though his motion had been limited to a reduction of 5,000 inert, it was not because he believed that number alone could be spared. but that after the reduction of 10,000 had been rejected, it was all lie was likely to get. Ile thought then, as v, that 29,000 men formed too large a domestic peace esta blishment, situated us were the finances of the country. Ile was equally afraid, both then and now. that the military force in Ireland was rendered necessary as the present system was carried on. But why was it tendered so necessary ? Because the Governineht were tint revered, as they honestly and justly ought, to adopt a coneilattiry policy towards the population of that comitey.—(lleur.) Colorist Davuss explained, that he was still di.- satisfied with the amount of the military force. In looking over the estimates, he saw a earn of 10,900/. fur the expenses of recruiting in England, and 9,8291. in Ireland, Ile begged In know what be r one of the 20/. given by each mall who com pounded his discharge? Lord l'aLuLosiou replied, that the some so received were regularly credited, as might be betql ill the details of the accounts. Mier a few worth, in explanation, from Mr. Hume and Lord l'ai.simosToo, Mr. BENNETT said, that in the campaign in the Peninsula, the garrisons shored in she general prize-money. The case at Waterloo was a sulitory instance of the reverse. Sir R. WII.SON thought the common law pre cedent was in favour of the claim of the parries, olio were excluded from participating an the Wio , teflon prize-money. Ile had moor molly distrilin. lions of plize-mmiey, lint lie lever recollected an exclusion of medical officers from their regular share until the present regulatioii. They were generally placed in intuit s which exposed them to danger, end which called forth great bodily as well as mental energies. As this subject was before the Committee, lie begged to ask, if it were riot is fact, that two officers had received prize mousey for the battle of Waterloo, who were in London at the time that eligiagement took place Lord PALMERSTON repeated the grounds upon which it was necessary to draw a distinction, that in effect proved fatal to the claims sil the medical officers fur lorixe-money. Ile admitted that in stances mglit have arisen of promos receiving Ilse prize-otiosity for the battle of %Veterlan who were not ',resent at the time, but who were present at the capture of Pare, the event which was associated with the other. Sir RODENT WILSON then put a question. which was not sufficiently audible ill the gallery. tint which we uuderstood to relate to the manner in which the names of officers were placed on the list according to slice rank. Lord PALMERSTON observed. that the usual farms reopectisig breve: rank were still obverted. it.iutson was then curried. The following Resolutions were also agreed to: — That a sum aot exceedisig 749,9371. Be. toil. be Ereat,4 to &Gay she elargrs art' the laud fume is Ireland for the carreut year. 139,3331. far ccrtaia allowances to tLe 01tears of lite Mtdatal Staff. 10,3211. for rrrt.iia allorauteir lu niflt erq in Leiana. 4' )l 17.. 3d fur Mrdirinrs ii tiAlstd. 10,4371. 174. 3.1. fir full pay for retired OISTim lo•Preal 00000 Ts of Ott-lien end ;41,531 1.25. ed. /MI-Prosionert of ditto 1.1173,G1N. 21. 2d. 36,1321. 172. 7.1. AT the fiord Asylum of Chelg.l. Oit the ftet.olutinti bei:ti: rut fur a great of eight milhnus In replace the Exchequer lolls Nulled in the year 1718. Jutrx NFWPORT suggested the propriety of tinotpuniag lln. fte.u)lsation is; Ihr olotence Ili., /tight lion. Friett.l (Mr. Tierne)). The Cii AN CF Lux of the 1.....XCH IQU ea cnrotetiterl._ Mr. ARBUTHNOT propowed a Itemlutiliii 380,300/. fur the supply of meat and bread to the. Continis.ftrost Department. Sir JoitIXNEWPORT Mid Mr. liuME were anxious fur inquiry Mtn this item. Mr. A USUTHNOT wool Mr. Got:I.BMM explained that 1. mot the grant.—Agreed to. 5,0001. fur the Refuge 'Attie Destitute tens then atered to. On the question that :33,000/. be granted to Emi grant Officer•, Mr. GORDON requireil an explanation. Mr. AUBUtIiNOT said, that it was for the foreign Officers olio had repeatedly served the 'country, some of Ilivrn ii , ice the action fought at Tuition. bO,OOO/. Cr. foreign nod other services was then *Trent In, Are a few words from Mr. Tirasrx, Io whom 111 x. ARUM/lb uT replied, that the sum del nut exceed the tonal giant. 1 0 .0 100 1. were toted to defray the expenses of the College of Edinburgh. 3,300/ for the Civil Es'ablithinent of the Bahama Liles. 11.4111. for Nowa Scotia. 8.701. fur New Brunswick. 2.1901. fur Cape !trefoil, its America. 16,8191. for New South Irulev. - _ Sir .1. Nt;wPotr ohjiicted to the great delay in furnishing the [Nose with the particulars of the manner in m hick the annual 4 fur this establish tnent were disposed of. The CliaNtrt.l.Oß of the Eton...out:ft said, they were t imid with the utmost tegularity. 146a7t. for sierra Leone. 1 , 18,876/. fur the service of the bear 1818, ia Eircbrrptor Li II remaining unpaid and iiiiprot Wed fur. Sir W. DI. CIti..t,PIGSIV compl.mied thot the ex penses incurred in suppintitig the Civil Establi•li meld of Ceylon were enormous, and wished that accounts of the particulars should be laid before the llowe. Mr. COULDURN said they were in a state of pri tuiration, and should be produced us anion as The Revolutions having been agreed to, the Iluu.e 'taunted, sod the Report was ordered to he brought up on Monday, when the !louse ;a again to resolve itself into Ilse same C sssss matte. BANKRUPTCY LASTS. Mr. JOHN SMITH moved that the House go into a Committee ulu►u the 'Bankruptcy Laws A 'prod meta Bill, previously to which, he stated that the Report of the Committee, which had sat two years tyros the subject, demanded the most serious coil siderat;ou of the House. individuals of the very highest character, comm••rcial men, barristers and solicitors, had complained of the existing abuses, sod agreed in the necessity of an immediate remedy. The Bill might be defective in many of its prove• sious, and it was must expedient that the House should be called upon to look gravely into the question. As the circumstances were intricate, lie expected some opposition to the measure, but hr would pat it to the House whether they were not bound to do all they could in un extremity swill's' winch the large body of c ))))) inercial men of this country were constantly complaining. He concluded with moving that it be an instruction to the C inittee to divide the Bill into two ports: the first for the regulation of the commission sir to the disposal of the bankrupt's eflects, owl the second fur the regulation of the law generally. Mr. ‘VAITIIMAN agreed in the leadisig features of the Bill, but disapproved of many of the ranitfi cations. He deprecated the vast expenses attend jog a commission of lonikroptcy, and said, it was truly stated that the Commissioners frequently de cided in the teeth of each other. Mr. CouaTENAIr complimented the lion. Gen tleman who had introduced the measure to the House. It contained a variety of etiactments winch would, no ilnuln, prove highly beitelicial, but he apprehended that it ass lilt, ly the Bill would create sonic alterations in the law of the lend, which might counterbalance those advantages. lie approved of the division of she Bill as had been suggested, and reconiroerided that the measure sl►ould then be dis cussed. Nothing, hr was convinced, could be of greaser consequence than the making of alteration• in a law which related to the property of so nosily of our ft llow-citmeits. The motion having been put and carried, the llonse went into Committee. The SOLICITOR-GENERAL suggested, that the 131 should he printed, and then discussed. The Ilouae resumed, and the Report was received and ordered to be taken into further consideration on Wcdisesday. TOWN•LANI) FINES !general (DRYLY presented a Petition from an individual. named Jeremiah Long, complainiog 4.1 the seveiiiies pructieeol by the Excise its behind, by which he had been a sufferer. On the motion that the Petition should be re ceivrd— Sir JoKm NEwpoiti wished to know, as the at teutioii of She noose was called to Ili question re tain% to excise, what was to be done with respect to the Diminution Laws in 'Mood. It was, he aid, most extraordinary, that Ministers, after having declared that they would :Abide by the system of basing town-lands. should suddessly give up that deterministic's' and introduce a new system. the object of which would have an effect directly the reverse. It was degrading to the dignity of that House to or his Majesty's Moisten , abandon the system, which is considered by them of an efficietit nature, in consequence of the threats of certain indi viduals, who, if their views were not acceded to, would withdraw their suppoit from Administration. He could only say, that so vacillating an Arlan nistratiou did not deserve the support and confi dence of the Douse or of the country, and he asked a hat might be the consequence if another body of soppostris started up and threatened to withdraw their support if the present measure was abandoned. That system had dwinotled illicit distillat to next to nothing, and was the only security. The Ad lll i l 'Windom were, he said, bound not to coo•ult in dividuals, or to be influenced by Ilse threats of the powerful to abandon a measure 1 . 10411 which much .114#1 ady coawlwlrd whether 14 11!Iff 4 ' of iiirl:viduitla hod not that innrning dictated terstr4 to cit. Chancellor of the tonli CASTLEREACII msi,l, lie hevet wit•tesved eci oarrportlietary ou rsh,hition 1.1 temper 114 the rim'. notnnet had i , pet oven. ll+ charged him with having romp to the I .114 e to Vent rillUninies, In eninprl them 11, wioste thvir time. Tlin.e Inninir!. lie rtiniil.l with the %Almn indig 110111$1. It might :011444'4:r the Iloss. Baronet wetl 'ennugh to nllJ.•ct In A ch. , tige of the •ysterti of lining the lovt.n iiiiii etted M 1 hr %Viol with a i•nntntereml town, iorniniblv indifferent to the itiorresto or 311 oii,erk, 110 tliUt itienoiret ivus‘rd for the advantage of lite phice he reoretteoltd. aspored the llnn." , that they had inertly in Ilos ot.t. Oii nptinn ip.t.vreti Iwo evil:. Nionrers were open to no threat —they were influenced for the ' ,Oldie gond. Mr. MALMICE FITZGERAtO .241, that If thp Mil AM -osited tilaitidnii Right Ilan. Gen I i 14 1 1 ete,r the i.yotetra in conte•piroce of having learned that it W "` "Pie"' with intillorphtv, he should have stated those grounds to the [intl..... The t i tietion whether the town-14.1114 61 I.rltstid Mond!! hr fret to fines or tone, owl the I were loot to be diverted from it by any minor coolo.oler 'thong. The was, whither the Hight lion. Gentleman had res•goard the existing Pt-tren ? If sorb were the rpe, he glee Item credit for et.—lllenr.i— -lint lie begged leave to ask, whether, before this mr4.oete was adopted, the Right Hun, Gentleman • ol consulted with the Reitresentstives of Os great titles of Ireland, and lipid toscertaiitril Inns kr it wool tor consistent with justice that th♦ great dis tillers, who had couttibuted so essentially to the revenue, should now be derived of tint system of under which they liad einployed their impel ty ? "Iflw Itt. Hon. Gentleman. however, in giving up the existing Pr.frol, had Meld Very 1111 hot lie hoped lie would wore himself to he provided wish 00111 e rllir:ar • i uu+ plan to preserve lie revenue, rod ',resent the extension of illicit dis tillation, which in itself WWI a great evil, and which the It'. Ilan. Gentleman herd formerly predicted as the necessary consequence of re iiiii vim; "this system. Ile also trusted the Chancellor of the Exchequer had provided a plan for preventiog the continuance of the gross violence and tyranny exercised by the Excise (officers of Ireland. Offences were committed by that class of people which would never be endured in this county}•.—fllrar. hear.)—He believed that the legal distillers of Ireland have been hying in stuck, and have therefore a large pecuniary inte rest involved in ilie determin Ilion of this quest . Ile hoped, therefore, the Chancellor o f th e Ex chequer would proceed with due deliberation, lest any injustice may b.: done to meritorious indivi duals, however injurious the system may be in principle, which it was desired to remove, or how ever improper may lie the mode iu which it was enforced.—/ Near, hear.) Mr. V. FITZGErtsi.o said, that however unwil- ling he was to obtrude himself uu the attention of the Hons.., lie could not sit silent when li e heard laws arraigned by Hon. Gentlemen on one side of the House, and abandoned for certain unaccount able reasons by his Hight Hon. Friends on the other, lint which had received the sanction of sow restive Parliaments. Had the measure now pro posed hero passed witl t harsh expressions. he should not have been the first to originate oh. jretions to tt. either in the House or elsewhere. His Noble Friend (Lord Castlereagh) would forgive him fur saying that lie had not expected from him the application of harsh epithets to those laws which lie had once supported, and which were admitted to have had the most powerful effects in supporting the revenue of the country, —/Here he was interrupted by Lord Castle reagh, who remarked that his /tight Honourable friend must have misunderstood him./—Hie' Noble Friend, be said, wJuld du Mtn the justice of be lieving that there was no man in the House who would be more unwilling to misrepresent any thing that fell front him. therefore lie should desist from the course lie was shout to pursue. lie had no he sitation in saying, that however aware he was of the evils that unfortunately accompanied the existing system, he s hould, if in office, still urge the pro priety of continuing it. He contended generally for the excellence of that system in maintaining the revenue, aud hoped that the Chancellor of the Exchequer would be successful in Isis proposed ar. raorment to mitigate the severity of the law, and yet not sacriliee the finances. Sir J. Ml.:water said, that whaterer his opinions may be on the law relating to Still Fines, he should not be influenced by the opinion of any Chancellor of the Exchequer. for he never knew two of them agree.—(!lvor, hear, and a laugh.) — It was the constant misfortune of Ireland, that it never had • Chancellor of the Exchequer who seemed either willing or able to entertain sentiments of general policy calculated to serve the common interests of the realm, and yet not conflict with local concerns. There were sin fixed principles. but the country was oppressed by an imperiuns in imperio, by which the general advantage was sacri ficed to local and partial interests. Retook shame to Memel f that this law originated in aso Irish Parliament, and the history of it was this : The Chancellor of the Exchequer induced the country gentlemen of Ireland to vote for this savage sod barb.irous enactment, by promising them, if they supported him, that all the spirits of the country should piy a certain duty. lit the course of another Session. however, this en gagement was forgotten, and the system was main tained without the advantages that were promised. Mr. V. FITZOILDALD explained. Mr. WILDMAN said, he had felt disposed to vote in favour of the motion for a Committee on a for. slier night; but his desire to support his Majesty's Ministers, in whose train he generally followed.— /Hear. hear, from the Opposition Benches, and much laughing./—His meaning was misunderstood. lot saying that he followed in the train of his Ma jesty's Ministers, he only meant to express his ge neral concurrence in their political condoct. He was, in his principles, as independent a Member as any in that House.—(Hear. hear, from the Treasury Beaches./—With respect, however, to the usotion for the Committee, he most say. that no vote he ever gave so much hurt his feel ings. as his vote on that night. It had been his wash to support the motion. because he felt the system that was pursued in Ireland was detestable. --(Hear, hear, from the Upposition.)—lt was a disgracefeil priiteiple of action to cotifoulid the in I I sinned with the gefilty. 1111 011 P COlOlllOll 1 1111 l Mit. '.main.—(Loud cries of " Hear, hear.")—line the einergency of the case, as made out by Vie : Chaurellor of the Exchequer Kiel his friends, ii . deiced him to merge his private feelings in' the pe - I sweaty and expediency of the measure. He nee. I lth ought he bed some right to complain of the roe • duct of the Right Hon. Gentleman. lie, hov- - t ever, understood now that the Chancellor of the Exchequer intended to propose a pint that would oftviate every di ffi culty; •iief it wile rmnoured that 1 this change on the Right floe. Gentlenian'e spen ' fitments had been efected by a Committee of Irish f Members. who threatened hint that they iyota hi desert his interests if lie <l,,i tint support them. I' he thought that lite Majesty's (;overnmeur molt Ire influenced by such a mode of proceeding he •limild not fur moodier moment sit et their side of the I louse. —Meer, hear.) Mr. Uswsote, ...nutting to what had fallen on a former night from Sir John Newport, denied, in th e strongest term., that the country Gentlemen in the North of Ireland enceiiira4ed, in the remotest de • gree, the practice of illicit distillation. He sop weird that the Right Hon. Baronet was indeleeel by his regard fee the great distilleries of Wetrautd, the city which lie represented, to prefer the severer measures to those of a more lenient character for potting down that laimefol practice.—(" A° !" from .)ir John Neteport.)—lie also denied that the flash Members had directed any threatening lapi. gunge to his Majesty's Government. 'rime fart wits, that a certain number of Irish Gentlemen had that morning waited on the Chancellor of the. Exchequer and the Noble Secretary of S:ate for Foreign Affairs, mid had argued the question fairly with them. He expressed his warm gratitude to his Majesty's Government for their attention tee the subject ; and if the Irish Members were fortunate. ' , weigh to prevail with them, it should he attributed to the justice of the cease. and not the absurd and unfounded notion, that the Irish Members could forget themselves so far as to address themselves in threats to the Government.--(Hear, hear.) Nlr. PEET. suggested the propriety or 111111114 g 1111 end to this discussion. It ere's.. out of the Petition of Jeremiah bong, which it was doubtful whetheer it could be received according to the rules of the House. He lamented that the Chlllice-110r of the Exchequer had determined to abandon the system of Still Finn', which had been found so effective. Mr. CRAWFORD spoke, hut being under the Gellert% and the House tieing somewhat 'soil et the time, we could not distinctly catch his eh- I aererstionv. The Cita trcet.bort of the EXcuroura complains ed of the uujust severity with which he had been personally assailed during this discussimi. %Volt respect to the measure of Town-land Fines, he heel an doubts that it was effective. but lie no here a o. knowledge-11 the severity with which it eve - rated in some care. lie hail objected to the Committee, bemuse he thought some ineaeure might be devised ni private to (obviate the evils that n c e empamed the system. and further consideration had ceetfirmed !rim in that opinion. lii it few day* lie meant to suggest some plan to mitigate the sr verity of the law, miff yet preserve its advasitsgesi. Until then he hoped the House would suspend its judi•ment of his consistency.—(Hear. hear.) Sir Geo. Hut. said. he considered the meanie.: necessary. The Isle Chancellor of the Exchequer adopted it, and had the support of nine-tenths of the Irish Members. it was ant, he "aid. fair or just of the Right Hon. Baronet to make the Oterot which lie had made on the Irish Member.; such chore, was altogether unsupported. He cautioned the Minister against the abandonment of tlw present system, because what he abandons now, he may be obliged to resort to hereafter. Mr. MARTIN said, he rose to defend his own honour. The cliar4e mote this night by the Item. Baronet, went to wound the honour of every Gen tleman concerned. Nothing could be snore wimisd ing to them than the charge that they would have deserted their principles—that they would woiliiil the empire in the most vital part, by supoortilig the measures of the Right Honourable B erenet. —(A laugh. j—lotnnuluti 111 l had lain tulkeil iit. Ile for one did toot mean to iiitimidate the N old, Lord (Castlereagh) or the Chancellor of the Ea chequer. He did not think the Noble Lord cioril he intimidated ; brit if any snail thought eltherwi... then he would recommitted him to make the earn ment himself.—(Much laughter )--As for th.• Right Ron. Baronet, lie had a high opinion of him —h e was certainly useful in accounts and minor matters—(A burgh)—he was a most useful check to the measures of Mi n isters. mid he (11r. Mar tin) would assure him that lie would do every thing ill hie power to keep him in Ins present of fice.—( Laughter.) Mr. C. H. HUTCHINSON said he did not rise to defend his Right Hon. Friend—he thought his con duct was not only out of the reach of censure. but above all praise. He did not know any public man who laboured so hard, who meted so zealously, or sir much to his own honour, for the heinfit of lie land and the general good of the empire. a. the Right Hon. Baronet. Tlw Noble Lord had, without tne..ll - it, acted unkindly towards his Right Hon. Fe le net --he charged him with directing los attention to local and particular iiitererts. lie did ditect his attention to local interests, but it wee °toy where lie was called uimii to do so as a 1/111/11C 111411. The Member for Londonderry had charged his Right Hon. Friend with attending to the distillery of Waterford—the charge was without foulidatioli. and even without colour; there was no distillery Hi the city of Waterford, and even if there were. his Right Honourable Friend was too high and too indepeudent to forward their interests if op posed to the general interests of his country.--• As to the system of dinillatiou, he would not enter into that subject fur the present; he would merely state, what indeed was universally known, that a great portion of the revenue of Ireland arose from the distilleries. He would also state, that the great distillers of Ireland had suffered most .severely from the vacillating system which the Gotten,- ment bed adopted, respecting their trade. A report had gone abroad, and it seemed to rest on authority, the substance of which they had heard —and he conaidered it a natural feeling. and in deed the duty of tile ltignt Hoe. Friend, to relieve the Irish distillers, who are subject to enormous duty, and who hare nook great capitals iii their trade, front any apprehension by the declare- 1 !