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. preamble a iws were uisionswe taut. course. poi- swatter, hut some good i why their Lordships accustomed forms. With 41 were remstiseei••to COI,- j . enacting clause. if altogether, the clime unintelligible; hot Noble • bear in • I ifiiit iiltitpoile.l, mid it Will bet- Committee free• to the Sill, ond, , their Letifshipn welsh! internale he* enniptelitil ' ought to it; this seggnotioth tpotwd. chime. indemnifying all lintiory; imii ;rmstett, 'any individual. • objected to the words Shspettsion Law hid _ iof March. whale this itidetttwity to the first 'Jr i►ion mosdermlned the livers. w ttitogether, for the to hate Pet all things day of Jimmy," the there be substiteteJ the objected to this motion. progress flr measure, of the measure, might retrospective effectiwas eh. os rememliered, that on meetinrof Porlismeist.' • to the sacred person if permits had been that ',Ent, why should , to those who caused no objection that the words 11111 be insetted. • Ls—This implied a Noble Lord, tWet 6114 Pilieliatinellto even thotrigh had existed fur calling it /.• &ve►►ts had taken previous,- to which *sleds atitiehed, and even. thew summoned. He siossW Lord. and permit hint January to the that some proviso , enabli►►g those per , as plead -as it it had law. It would perhaps discharge" were ()Matted • • ,• . . replied. that ttl►is word asserted the propriety persons actually engaged s were those persons who Manchester with the Its retiti to London; Mat They should be and that thu•e so To this there could any objection of this was • point to id be nrged. •Fle noticed it, as it in. _ to confess that the purpose of preveriting f their sourer, of h&c indemnifying persons who hid teem cmitilienterit, and assent to 'bear such question proposed •by In what state those so discharged ?" If to the enjoyment of should not object to Magistrates; bot if them to their rights the Courts of Law. them by the Bill. It wag . matter of justice restoring them to beret discharged by tom! io cosertesy,• ask the' .ier, if be were to propose objection would be unite the !imposition of his thinking it very de should he inserted in• persons so discharged -state as if they had • of law.• rrmarked, that this ly of postponing the provisions of it had said, the clause went who Shed. diseharged were. iu consequence, Attorney-General.— [lie Bill was, that the Act of ifoemniiy, still. for particular prosecuted. Tl i te i consdered with reference to the t discharged, said to the Noble t.nrd' could ,aret this view of the had no doubt; would himself contented with moved, that, after , was too vague and prevent justice being in that the following should treatona or lrerwu . by the hth and 9th ,roe, land 'the lath of *oohing, gilding, co. any or "hi. sitity's• that it would he tre'sturbahte prat tit re.. --The amend- tent called the attention V4IN • • cottece"csight be followed if the pr like that of most others, were s t i Lord Gnat iaa —The [louse, sensed a dissortioto in this matter, reasons noglit to be required why should depart from their accustome reopect to the words which were eel sect the preamble and the first en the preamble 'were omitted' isltoge would, of course, be ustintelligib Lords must, in the discussion, bei the preamble was suds letespetsse.t, fee, ivy Ina mind, to leave , the Cos luvestigste the solo's* object* t.r thi nig deter ' si on then. their then be iiiaai sitnatiori to ascertain I irtee the - word* elf the preamble ougl "Lord Ilteoesent concurred to mutt,* tireessible was poetponed. •• Ors - reeding the first • clause, is Irksome whis.•siuce the Ist of limb, ne•raosed the arrest, acc. of an' nut ThelP,ationl . LaUDERDstit L objec 46 door day or Janney" • :The Shit) I tint hlvir erimeted mita the 4th of Li "mold - extetid the intlettistity to emery. ',limb propositieni welders wily of the Sueottisiose Law ihngei despoil Bill wool4l 6U-itself bats right. For the words w first day I • , &obi! End proposed t h at there b 1 4 4th day of March." • 'Zirl of tsUltitroot. objecte . Acts.uught be shine in the pre diartsig the endure of the alio share its fate. A rerrospectis wolutely• necessary. It must be rents the very first dsty of the meetinrc knees outrege had hers; offered to tl laf an Illustrious individual. and if *hinted ..its Collllrquiriser of then et not lbw liwrroroit ibll extend to t . 11 loch arrests 1 He had ab object's, " iGtli day of Isotopy" should be The Etsl of LAUDENDALR—: confession on the pert of titer Nobl tasters were afraid to tneet Padova in their Mind* a sseceseity had ems so vial as the 1.4 of January.• stint in the Novetuber premiss. importance.hall since been attiieliet Perlietnent hail tint been solitaire do a kinthiess•to the Noble Lord, to change from the lot of Januar This was agreed 1 1 Lord Iltrat.AND • suggested. tie should be inserted on the Bill, en bons who , hush hers, discharged Awl takes, place in due course of be sufficient if the word " &whorl a • altogether. . _ Tin Earl of LIVERPOOL replies .sess alwroutely tierces:ivy. He asset • of sores:UT and deur 11l il og persons in 'seditious. procerdinr its were t had in Slandi stasetubled in Manch station of coining up wills their feel bat it wits equally desirable the released as soots as jerenthle, and doing should be ind ified. Ti • s nor, tor his opinion, be urged a • s: serious nutossit side. Lord HOLLAND allowed that ti • which butsislight sobjeco Miss could was glad, however, that lie had no sluced the Noble Lord opposite ts •.111ill was not merely for the purpo the disclosnrso by Ministers of their motion, but shoo for itnlemnifyionc released cerotio iudtvidnals from c st fur 1110 part, he should wolliogly as persons handless. But the questi lint had not been answered- 61 In discharges had left the persons soil those Infiniti-lids should return to the rights of Englishmen, he shot granting en indemnity to the Ms isotathe only way for restoring till would be by pruceediags in the This, however, was denied them le, therefore nothing more than a os insert a provitom its the Bill resto • I their-right% as if they hod been d course •of law. Ile should,in c Noble Earl opposite, whether, if b suds a latovision. as objection en ill Lord ERSK INE supported the I Noble limo& (Lord Holland). th Pitiable thut some, provision shoal • 1 the Roll, by which those .person should be isfeced in the same •sfu • been iiiselturged by dose course of The Earl dl LACDRIDALE ref ' • • discussion proved the nece.sity seseemhle of the Bil Quill the pr i , beenascertaiurd. The LORD CHANCELLOR said, to indemnity • Mageneatee. who persons illegally, and who were. liable 'to a prosecution by she Alt The meaning of this part of the I Misgibtrate who called for the A had not acted legally—but Oil reanew, ought not to be prosecu r : meat must be considered with Magistrate, to the individual disci (Accra of the Crown. If the N from • a proviso that wind.) inert t 4 silli l ect, twit Lord s hips, he load retries' or. Lnr.l Hot.r.ASD expressed himss this deeia The Earl of LAUDERDALE FE the word •' practices," which we • undefined, and ohich might preys 4,lhtiitted for sorts worthy of con , I louse or its. Court of Justice, the Ire loser:el, w other than such to blr practices, as those recited le 4.1 William, the tioh of Anne.. !:Corte 11, rrlutiog to the wash' labrinc. or counterfeiting any coin. " Lord' Itaucso Aat suggested, I better sloirtly td state, trasoisal lasting to the clone of the realm.— . was then %greed to, The Marquis of*LANSDOWN I i t \ • phone , reasons with - Ce4W - er - ti, thi 'ill . .closing evidence, pitnisim bi evertor'. 'cold(' meet a Cate, where a to- Multttous Ind disorderly ist4Mbl y disturbed the pothlic . peli 4 e gild 'tranquillity, and c:illed op the Magistrate to interfere. if the Magistrate acted correctly, was he not perfectly able, should an action be instituted against him, to make • good thTence, without having re cotirse'to those Sources of infonaation, the disci°. sure of which, it was feared, would produce finis chief to the State ? Then came the question, whe ther tlwir Lordships were not bound to narrow the operation of the pretent Ilill, by excluding from it all those Cases which could be justdieil. in a Court of Law, without idthicing any evidence that could affect the public safety ?, Ile felt, as much as' any num, that those Magistrates who had' act e d in is flir aildimuso jtde manner on t h is Occasion deserved Ikeii p r oteetien-i-land. knowing the honourable principles Istethist 'respectable body of men, lie would say. do their behalf'. 'that . he believed they' would Moat Willingly jiistiftntlieiir Ciindoct, iu the Most Opel, mousier. if they could do so with a due regard to the public safety, instead of availing them. selves of the yell whh this Bell would throw over their actions. He did not think any in - couvenience could attend the expunging of those words, which alike protected from the ordi nary legal 'process those Magistrates who had • good justification, without being under the neces sity of disclosing private information, and those tvlio.e defence entirely depended oit such • dis closure. lie hoped, therefore. the clause would be so framed as to except from its operation Magistrates having a defence of • perfectly public nature. The LORD CHANCRLI.OR said, the L•gislature were -bound to grant protection to the Nl4oistrates bir •this country, under the actual circumstances of the case. In the preamble of the Bill, there was a recitentenr, which set .forth, 48 that divers persons hod unlawfully ism:misled together. in such limn *i as to distiith - atitrandaiiger the public piece Ad tranquillity, •aistl' to intimidate' the' tidal 'Or 111 i Mlj'esti's loyal" Mind' peaceable dubeCtil"— . !tod the latter part of it spoke of th 'aistie rei ov i Midi "'as riotous 'and disordeily"—bu ''firth as a titwitOrtio."--thut Making 'is distinction" bettieel surfaMfai 'and traliorout. 'The Bill went'ii . to slatf6•6 4. thilt its case the acts done by the - persons " I : 4 fie d . gtif VAyili iiiiiitisoning, hot halt dillpiri iii itithitisse r aiblies", or .4 iibrt of them, sTiOtild be . made ' ble - W r sii.Ct of prOilecution,"'then 'The Parties' 'accuse'd ilidtilit be indeldnitied:" •This Wilt clearly called 'for-becritise it'ibighta 'be iinphasi bre for the Magistrates' to )(lair+ Iltettuterigi. About nialtitig . '"en open ' chieliiihre Of 'the Miami' of PersOug through 'whose' isielbithey hail dimOvereal the real 'object' of itith Mietings. ' ff 10 oft I%ooo' pirsOisi assembled teigethei,. with the intent of liiireCedinte toll..rindon,`liiiil the Mar,,ii. trate* prevented then, Would their . tordsliips, Un der' such - eiteunistances s , suffer them to - •be'cislleil on to enter a jtailitication to the action Of Ovett hi dividwil Whoiu th ey 'had (hut taken apOli-tliem selirel'io 'stop out his'''jourtiey ? ' Wherever the ..f irelesice'Or 4 nieefing , Might' be; they' . might' have . cairrct informatiOit or their actual iiitelitiiiii—the source of which iiikirmaildn theybugHt not to ti e . called on to disclose.' more than' . the Minitters df. the country to give up the parties from swinish' they • ' had received Intelligence.. i The tqarquis Of Li soowtr —" As to thousands of iwisons bringing their actions. it is out of, the question. I speak of persons arrested." •The . LORD CHANCELLOR —" The disturbing. or dispersing persons, under certain circumstances. , . might be unlawful. and give rise to actions." The AllArquiv of I.,tvsuown--.1 The Maxis •trates had a right to disperse any unlawful assent bl3lit was their duty. An 'climb brought, on •that account, would not call fur any of that species of evidence, i. i twitter of justificuti ))))) to witieh the Learned Lord referred." • TbeLORD CSADCILLOIL--" More force might 'he 'kW, thiii ercibld appear tiecessitr to tl,ose who *ere' eat itilbrmed of the real inteistion'of V meet it might be highly improper to discloie• the source of that informitfion." • Lord HOLLAND Said, the whole argument of the Learned Lord Went to this—that whenever an unlawful assenibly Was ili rpreSed by the Ilagiitrate . s. they insist come to Parliament :for jf &dein nity. According to his doctrine, when a Msgistrate put an end to a tumultuous there wits no law to protect him; but lie must, in each individual case apply to the Legislature. ' He did not tlaqk the Learned Lord's argument at all conclusive. But he protested against the principle on which it nail urged, which weist to overturn the law of the land, and to make Magistrates arbitrary in the ea urine. This would necessarily be the case, if, whenever they dispersed a meeting, they were taught to expect a Bill of Indemnity. Hr should, for these reasons, vote for his Noble Friend's A inendipent. The LORD CDANCELLOIII—M I say Magistrates are answerable for their acts, and ought to he made to gnawer for them. The present is not a Bill that discharges them from that liability in general— but Parliament, teeing a particular case, of ex treme and special neceasity, are called on to say, whether, under the circumstances of that case, they will deviate from the usual and ordiu*ry coolie.** Lord HOLLAND—" If it be a special and e xtra. ordinary case, let it be tried on its merits. My ab jection is, that the principle laid down by the Learned Lord goes to all tumultuous and unlawful . assemblits whatever." 'The LORD CUARCRI.I.OR-..." The Noble Lord wishes this case to be tried on its merits—but be his nut told me how it is to be brought to issue. 1 cannot distinguish between an action brought by the whole 151,000 men. or by one of the number." . • Lord HOLLAND— " It will be a dreadful lesnis to the coutitrt..-for not s owe con occur in which' a !Magistrate disperses what lie calls • thmultuoiti , but he may come to ,Parliament and • • . iiittleto t lji.''' ' 1 Mrsrethis of 14,esAlstra rr les ihe Leatp ' ail otiiectliti to cctiiihnt , • elapse to that • Ntaristiciiniato edit& hls'ofipears to have If - apply to•all acts done under the iiig unlawful itssetalthte..thett .tuy lige itient isrificili earrect, and, J, the MagistVate war deniiiiia • lily." _. - LtvEneoot. said, in the indemnity Bill of 1001, these was no such clause as die pre sent, Hod the redatni was olivipist.' In' the pieviofts period many irentrins'•We'fe".tiikio up for ve . tlition, erefore but were not brought to trial-..510p it h was t necessary that the bliaisters of the Crown should he protected from actions; But there was not, at that time, any thing in the iihaPe of insurreCtinos that dimitided `die active *iiNeacirence of 'the Ma.* glilf:11e.; sisal timidly collet! Li such a clause ail this. Here the case was quite different. Acts of insurrec rectiou. of a formidable mature, and to a enn 7 siderable extent', *ere actually corumitted. H is Learned Friend had all Oded to a body Ott°, '. 0 .. . . persons. win, assembled at Manchester r -antl the Noble Lord observed, that few of them were taken isp. Now though the number arrested on that oc casion was lint cousiderable i as cOmpore compared' in the Whole, yet, in a n oth er p o int o f view. " it was eery far from contemptible. The Magistrates. in 91.4er 19 prevent. the plans of those people, coulinad 250 of theta to one place, for some time. Now would their Lordships he acting lastly' qr • fairly tP the Magistrates it they did nok ' 'protsce 'them froni ifiC •vexatious suits that Might, in consequerice. be instituted against them ? The question here was, not what the law of the lanai ohotild or dintrily 'be, 'but n'hether; in '*iiii especirf case, '.here eetritirilinitry" (avers were steep. end &L e. perhaps, iii equeequence of jar siting powers, Magistrates were excited to a greater digree of vigilance and activity, the Levileture *ould withhold from' them that oroie l tnyi tenet they well 'deseieed'? ror biar Pert ? he 9114446e0 there Were eironge r . reasons for this unapt 10. E SPY other clause iii the Bill. The gad of craksitvqii said. there !Right lac very strong reasons fur it, bat the tiou t e knew notion:: at all about them. Did Noble „ Lords , .. mean to say, that; from the neciWiity of' tne'case, last year, the tflogi'slra l ys hipflatie *6404 th eir I I : ...''. • powers, and were now ob wed to come to that lionse for an indemnity ? Irthey - did. then let their eute be fairly stated; and the Houst would be reedy to meet it. 'But they *erre not to tile it' fdr grritiled, in • limes or diPiger'„ 'tidiest brik:tiales elteried dirmialr'es; and *happened In exceed the late, debt they must, as a infante of course. receive an indemnity. He should' support the motion of his Niible !friend, 'not because he wes con'iiiiCed• that ad indemnify was not necessary on 'this r ricesloon. but litceitoire he had to complain unit they Wen le gislating in the dark, and no ground was laid for a very great deviation from the ordinary' course of j• tilltiCe• f ""l i ve amendment was then negatieed. . • said.' tie Lord, Ettstypee, said. he wished to mei% ep amendment, that would place the Magistrates, with regiect'to• persons' arrested by them. 'in the name sifidition as 'the' stand in other cases, uoe i e tl r A ee.6f st n'Vlii•'4t f li i ii;'*riesti. VOiet Mt ? if is person were conriCted liefer . e two npigirttntei, omi the conviction' was afterwards quashed. the Ma. gistrateg were' not liable to" itrorcutii )) i, unless it. were alleged by theaggiieired party, dolt' the cOn victims was' malicious, 'aiid ' that'll* blrigistrttaa acted 'Wit lidat 'probable . cruie. ' A iirk-if, the . Nary. in' that •cre•6'Betc,ol,,Thes ISfendi;ut to have c oil doctCil . .. luenselt 'tiii wiriiisli. - •he was sike l et , to a severe visitittiau. Ilia Lordship wished, after the douse, which set forth— " That every person, hy wham any such act, matter, or thing., may Mere beer done, shag beriirtitiitiM, discharged, andtlickagoafed, biith With iesPeet to peesrias taken Into eastodt;Abctiirgetclieitiriperserq*" . Y '' ' • • '' r Thlif'ilid'fdlimting Prriiiiii i•hould i lie intiudord.;— " Provided 'always, that 'ldiklkit . litreia 'costritaeit shell be' extend, or ' eoiistroe4 to (await, triiir . y reslratier i " . dr thing, dowilorny Perrin whitevt:4,lreosimitterl aid . i?ieinity, ur without iiiitmabre M. pwilialble cause." • i AS die •Bdl stoat!. nu iictipli'dotilld be nminteitied , against a Magistrate, although it could . be' proved 1 I by a thousand perions that his conduct was mail ' ciaus..-inid this error he Wis, aupiiitir to, retifx, by ilieVrifiiirlinent *114,4 5)16',3.,1444gyr4101., se, lie could very easily conceive. that many 'italic'', thignt I exult for indemnifying' a Magistrate whose defence might rest on the diselosure i l,perlieular informa tion—but lte - coithi slit id tigiate silty, Is, a time of;, per feet tranquillity, individual, were to be preclud.. ed front bringing actions fur injustice or cruelty.' the proof of which depended on the testimony or the witnesses Met "could' bßn rotward. * WOW that /l af" ongle to ' the . l iitotle; a p t :peferais ye iiii Bail committed suct,acts (he himedicy ,wcre vciy o ten) should be protected, and that tooter the safety of the country ? The safeti of the country depended on the a ff ectimis 'br the . peo_pl'et, and mot on spell crithirial par iality: as this. The,"NoVfe Lrd coo . chided by proPhsing'his amendment. The Loao CHANCELLOR void, lie had a short answer to utake to t4e otit!etvifi l ess of his Noble Friend: Tliqhad proCee.l i eepo s te:woiii jaeslsiiig a BM of indemnity—Gilt. if they adopted the clause now ilitrodaced they would nullify all they, had previously done. The geneirl principle cer tainly Was that an action could' not beitiaititained against a Msgistrte• fur his Acial cOniliq,e,; Writega he acted maliciously and without prohighle copse. But they were passing a Bill Of Indemnity, which: necessarily interfered with general principles—and' they hail it in their power, iT they did lint choose' to persist in it, to abandon it at once* This was a much better way Wen 'agreen i g to clause? that would defeat the Mimi of the Bill. Note, suppose' an action was brought against a Magistrate, chafe; ire him with having proceeded maliciously and in the absence of probable Cruse, the Plaintiff might declare that be hod been malicirrusly tidieii . into Cut.' to and, it' the Magistrate . hull proceeded on •evi dance winch. consistently with a due regard to the' public wifely; he could nottlisclose. he had no answer whatever to make hi the chtirge; He could not Mute the mature of the inforination he had reCiVed. end which afforded . the probable ground' of pry ceeding. Admitting some illegalities to have been committed, still it was for the public interest that Makistretes should he protected, not only against vexations suits. hut ' again's( those, which, by their number, might p ara t )se th e e ff or t s o f . any of the Committee to that part of the ciente rlsich assembly, but An went to idtkontoily• Illlastbites, not rorio, cam- 'call For tigkinkt) 'flitted !Ipy \Rid pr - 'f instifiable in s tlremoelves, 7* The M • (lb, pif but,becifuSe they' here 'broiled to trial, etl Lord aht ohjit for niiiiit;lflttijr vikollebe 611 rd bffev In their . 1 ", part icolar Vseristi defence would comprinlnise the public safety. In Abided ? if it his opinion, mosy itottances might occur, where the , Alt 3Ligisiriste might have a perfectly good der...ode, without resoling to any private source of informit- oe edit' blcrl~m~ !ion whatotwver. Noise of the reasons adduced, of 11 0" 11 "i') With 1 4 :eiiiWerfii the evidenCe,. _ The Enl of L N .... pen thaugh he *ere Aloposat irif,o ..wid ' ince. Would their' f.orelpiltir Acm e dlis.fui in , Situation, that • every. ,oue of the *woo! F f 9 Auk* whom they had ) 0 4t d. t ioher at ~ slon: ,own ibitance. or by the direction of others. might perse cute them with actions which they must defend ? lie 4cvei hug, tugb.ogiattoe to this tutroduced io tiny 'lndemnity Bill. lii the reign of King Wil liam, the Habeas Corpus Act wss suspended on the gron w! of jiohliceisigetcy—end the argyment came in this, thit when, fbr the iniblic safety. the liiier ties of the people were, fur a time, abridged, the name exigent which called for thpt abrallgioenS, demauded that those who bad acted fur the general good, while it existed, should he protected' wbeu the necessity was et tio cud. The Noble Lord, on ' ' all One oceosionp. ejiliqiied therti to tike care that they did not trifle ruble liberties of the people.. and God forbid that he should do so ! But surely they were not to acquiesce in the destruction of tip country. by suffering their feelings for individual, to overpower every other consideration. the Earl of Roast : es was as anZious for th. suety of the Crowu and Constitutiow.llnts as de- I sirous to forward the tranquillity and happiness of the country—as any Noble Lord opposite—hot 4 never Fronk! consent that the liberties of the people shouliehe uniteceiwarily sacri4ced to an apprehen sion of deoger. He 'mut glad to timid it pow cop it•eoaritsidietdhaitutittehePliirlaall. l l la t had did bee n t ssiniedstalthfiermst,attthearst the Bill was introduced merely to ittd 'ly those who could not justify themselves without disclosing matters datigerinis to the Politic safety; but it now turned oats hat* illegal acts bad been committed. or why '404 Am ritteaupt be made to iudemitify those who could proceed to their defence without making any improper disclosure/ The Amenili.fient gni negatived. The lifarqins of 'LANSDbWN expressed (lit, tut prise that Ireland wu meuttoued in the Bill, as the Habeas Corpus Suspension Act, under which the transactions took plait that called for this Indep nity Bill, did not extend to that country. His Lord ship moved thit the word" Ireland" be omitted. Vispuist s(pmotlti gold ? A irCild glum d}d }lC cur. whiat . rendere d ` the introduction of IralsUd ttesmary. The Marquis of LAxaupwri said, it was a case I never yet before Parliament—and Ireland lied beeu : isttrudosol„ is:lON:out ooy 9,9tig, wlpg,te(!st , _,. Viscount St! °MOUTH —IL is part of raw tuaiary matioo laid before both Rouses of Psuliatuent. A person char ged with treasonable practices was ar rested, on a wirraut, in (reload. ',Alit (-lont t atik9. :itioggljf oppotr the inttodoc tion of Ireland into Abe U4l. - there ware a typecial case, the llCOlielt male. would be, to illaelt a , 1 particular clause to meet it. The Sad Of . LKirs.:t O!. td, OW no person 4 hadlieen talep up. tio th c o the bens rpos So k. pension Act, for any 't , o, . ling done lii Ireland.' The case alluded, to was that of Beubow, • person ' 1 tigainit Whom a warrant was lamed, He escaped to 1 fryfend, Where he wits taken, when preparing tp e)44.4k, rk. 4 ille4co• I Arlo. vvivi oloerP.ations, from the Logo 1 CAM N C 5.1.1,011. Lords LA N YDOWN. LAt DdLOAXII, i$E D PADA L l / 4 sin) Vot.t.asta, the amendment was mixiiCA"b4 . tyrtlli an * nuderstaoding. that a claose agpjfil! lte)*rioduccd . apOlica.hle to the Inirtictijar co* ailtuktd:t4a. The Earl of CA RN A RYON, alt expatiating on the unfairness of depriving a l!laititilf, by this Bill, orbis right rit actioo, gad s at the altine timi., iirl tpkiax himwith dpuble costs, moved, that. doolde Cmdlt: '114.14,1 oiily attach to any suit contmeuctil after. Ilie. passing of this; Act. %he Loki) CHANCIiI.I.OII opposed the proposi tion—but moved, that double costs should not he 1 talt i iti from the Plaintiff when the action was c - nkenced beforillie 27th of February, last, midwas not,contmued. Alter ti few observations. from Lords Kum and HOLLAND. the proposition of LordCearr•avom • was ne 'at ived —and that of the Loan CHANCELLOR agree to. Tate Earl ofeCattauttrai tnovetl_ a chum.. by which a Plaintiff might Wog his action, against Magistrate. Kovidet, thin, is., amtli previous to , .bjj.hciugimi it, his 'Bailiff :gave nonce. ta k ,thp Se ts:reins of State ofhis inteation. lf.tist.Scctetary -tof State then Made oath, that the justification of •the Defendant de tended on the disclosure of infor- . lifOrwitilb!e 'With the,: public sillety. the PinNenifingt.lo bc bloYal-but if lie ditl not utitliP such. an affidavit, the Pialutiff to be at liberty to proceed. The 'clause witn negatived, after a few "Dorris from` Leg ".'l l lV4titeßa ,'Lord gil t? A gyp . m gsvc Ouce that he wo u l d move it in another stagi., The Earl of 14AUDERDA LE moved several innew4- ments to the preamble, takeu from the weakest Part of the Ji l t/port ,of tbe Sept! committee, for, the purpose, he said, of making the Bill and the Report agree'together. They were negatived. 'Alter verbal firvndnaents were 'made, the Houtk reAupts4, the Ripon Was received . ; ism! ,the Bill ordered to be r e ad ` 'the third nine on Thinsiday. Adjourned at Half-post Ten o'Clock. HOUSE OF COMMONS, TUESDAY, MpliCil.3. A person from the British Museum brought in and pre sented, by the command of the House, a Returti airtime NUMfier of Clitilesiirihinka received from Stationers' Hall, in Init., litlhe Copyright Art, from the Sth of January 1817, to the Sib of January 1818—which was laid us the table, and ordered to be printed: • hlr, Forum presented a Petition from the Tanners of Ihmerley 4ilubt the Leather Duties. pooft`p LAWS. Mr. D. G. Gii.ailur rose to move— " That the Papers preseatell thAt day,, purvont.th an Or der of the House, and whirl. Wit keen referred Ihs the Com mittee upon the Puor's Laos of last Sesitoh, sh;tad be printed." He took that opportunity of stating, that there was no "subject of greater importance to the wet(nre, of the nation at forge, but more porn ciklarly to, ihe . ,miaa..of Sigricolturalists and land holders, thou the subject to WhiCh these pa pers related IVhatever might be attempted in the wax of r regulat . upon this 'subject, and much bail been atteiiipted, he felt it high time, nial the House, lie loped, would think so too that some person of sukient i u Woulril direct the attention of the House to the principle upon which the Poor's Rates were founded. A Commit tee fintl been appointed long tince on the subject of the.Poor's I.arrs,.and he hoped would emanate from them, which might tend to the adop• Lion of a general measure of a salutary and bene ficial nature. Sir CHARLES MONO( hoped a proposition of the nature alluded to by the Hon. Member would, as soon as possible, be made in that House, and that *boa it Ants battig.b.t fatmaxl J.twighS be lUPPortgit with all the weight and influence of Government. Mr. CaLcaave hoped .the two Hon. Members who bad addreeked the Kowa had no intention of making any attempt to get rid of the Poor's Rates as established by lisle. He *email never lend his hand to such an issuaratioa. so long as the Infect order, of society felt generally a vostaiderable por tion of eiejorraistatesit and partition. if the lions Gentletnen fkfr. D. G. (Albert) would attempt atitb 1;4 to put a stop to the misapplication of the ft l woozy, by extrevegant Ministers, mucn "'odd be sodsi effeated as to the reduction. if not abolition, at least practically. of the Poor's Rates. —(Afar, hear. heir, frost the (llppositiox.)... At Enure were a set of sage Legislators in that WhW would have Curti sill, that is. a high pare for their corns and yet Ititre a low rate of la. bow. and 110,Poor'. Rates. Now all these %ere nut to he loud. ff the labourer's wager were extremely low. the Poor's Rates, Miller there circumstances, must be increased. He should like a low average of labour but it must be one competent to ensure titre Itutb:lndotan or workman the stibsistenCe mid caeca.' suited te leis rank in society. The object of the Howe should be to inquire into the causes of the shameful maladroinistretioss of the foods created for the relief of the Poor. - This had been his endeavour, air far as lay in his contracted sphere of observation • hut as to the system of the Poor's Laws, as foun ded upon the Act of Elizabeth, lie would inform those Hon. Members, that as things *ere now circumstanced, he would be the lost man iu the House to lift up his hand for their repeal. Sir C. Morsel( begged to be understood as hay ! hat wished Government would look to the correc two of tl}e abuse* of the Poor's Rates, and not apply it elf to the abolition altogether. Mr. F. LEWIS hoped the House would unfit to no precipitate determination as to the immediate necessity of legislative interference. He hoped the Committee appointed to exocnine this subject, would coutin.ue to be charged with too much can than, rather then without due consideration reconi tumid a measure not properly digested. It was vain to think of withdrawing now the supplier: limited to the poor under the 4.3 d of Eliiabeth, and the laws grounded upon that well-known Act ; Wethe could net help thinking the better and the lower order of people would be much benefited if no such Act as the 43d of Elie. had, ever passed. He had formed in this respect a different opinion rrom some of the Gentlemen he had heard that teeming. Lu hu mind the unusually low price i:f labour might he considered the cause of the evil ; and here lie could not lielpadeertilig to a species of traffic in the Poor's Rates carried on by manufactur ing persons, wbo were not unfrequently overseers of the poor. ft wa r t. not unusual with such Gentle men to pay their labourers 44 the rate of fid. or some such trifle par diem, and hand these very peo ple over to the Poor's Rates for a supply of not !esti than eighteen or toasty shillings a week. Thus the landed property which wits forced to comitbute most largely to the Pixie* Rates. had to make up the deficiency of the wriges.of the manufacturing poor, whilst the manufacturer was:thereby enabled to meet the foreign market at a reduced price, or to vie with his neighbour, and undersell him at home. He.could net see as to the effect produced by the taxes, keiterally, what great difference there was created by, a greater or less 4:lemma of a greater or less. qualitity. of labour throughout the country. The only effect produced by taxation was, tient it changed the hands into which the wages of labour were distributed; as during war, a time of greatest I taxation, ull that could be said was, that a her of soldiere, sailors, arinourers, and •g t uristuitlis, were Dow employed, itetteati,ollabpurera and manufac turers. With all this compulsory. contribution on this part of the landed proprietor, it was very re- Insrltalilv the funded proprietor might evade any coetribotieti„elthough it *in well known. that of the 154 gout. annual expenditure, not lest than 31 millions were appropriated to the payment of the, stock.holden.—(fieur.) Mr. Rioyeal4*. wip surprised hie Honoura ble Friepd, who.edprotnited not to enter into the dis cuistiat; at.upg.lerigth. ohould :have so fir ,bigot himself. as to exhaust this subject of the Pool's Oust of taxation, and its consequences,- andefter talking highly objectionable views of both .subjectty utter ii . doetribe which, for its nevelty and atiomoi4s, ut ter cou lg pot z lielp rising, sod :Professing against. Mutt ! did his Honourable Friend umtti to say that it was s. matter of indifference to tnd public, whether at, sum .of money should be per milted .to float, at,large through the mercantile t.r general . intemts,as each toight, s occepy it it) their turn, or bettrewo,outof the comiutiu stock. by the opefuthig..of lay, or, two. au& be, given by his Majesty's Minister*. at the rate of 1,0001. a year, to a sinecure Lord of the Admiralty I—(Hcar. Gear. f--'Where were other ;mints of his speech to which he hactstroug,otocctian. but he should con tent himself with:protesting. fir, the present against this doctrine. as.equally false and dangerous. Me. F. Lewis ,ouid, his intention in what be had said woo merely to prove that the Poor', Rates were .„. uRt created,by, taxation. Mc.. BRA ti altrt*.exPloinelL Mn Cuawsit diffoced from. his lion. Friend be- low, and :considered • that taxation clearly entered itito the condition of the labouring poorer classes, and belie,yed they did not pay Tess than 2S per geikt c to Abe Governme4 at.premtut. iu the shape of taxes. Mr. Bushsox presented a Petition from the Tan. nerd of Stafford, praying that the present Leather Tax might be repealed—which, with two similar Petitions front other place., were read, and laid on the tatter Ott the motion of Sir M. W. RIDLEY,• Petition from certain Inhahitanta of Newcastle-upon-Tyne, against the Indemnity Bill, and praying for a Re finni in Parliament, was read and laid on the table, aucl,ordered to be printed. Mr, Losirrox /soured the House, there existed but one opinion throughout the country as to the injustice of granting a Bill of Indemnity to Mi nister; fur their late unwarrantable and tyrannical conduct during the !ate Suspension Act. He felt