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d J& , .• I 1%. Payee INN that these idlegetioos be taken Into the ecessidentamb of the House. TIMIST observed, that in this instance the petitioners took upon themselves to do that in the tray of petition, which it would be only proper fur a Member of the Home to dein bis phone, by MO,. iog fore new writ. They bad no nght to go thus into the birth, parentage, and education of the 'embers •d that Home. Mr. Battens said, if the petition did not come vrithie the maps of the Grenville Act, it could only be rewired ma abetter of course, and no motion could be made upon it. - Mr. BATlFllleire saw nothing stated in the petition to invalidate the election of Lord Dursley. The trattioa most material, and most peculiarly in volved in this petition, was, whether it did or did not come within the purview of the Grenville Act This brag a very weighty conaderstion ' and im portant ea to precedent, he thought it would be bet ter to adjourn the discusgien, till Gentlemen could more fully Inform themselves upon the subject. Sir J• 1191 ANSTZUTIIIII entered luta an explans• tion of the scope of the Act, 10th of His Melest). kaolin by the name of the Grenville Act. It em braced fosse species of compliints-.-lst. " Undue elections."—i I. " Undue retorns."-.-These were originally and strictly all that the Bill applied to ; lint new cases having arisen, its provisions were Passe years afterwards extended to- , -34. iciest returns;" and 4th." No returns." The third point was fully canvassed on the limit:kat return of Mr. Fox for Westeniester. The question theft' was, whether the complaiat of the present petitien tame within any of these four deinitiens ? To hint it appeared that it had so relation to any of them, as it ackeowledged the election and return to have been good and complete, and only refetred to a. posterior act, which, it alleged, voided the seat. Lard Dursley's net being the eldest son of a Peer, &old not void his election ; and it come next to be considered. whether the question of his tonsitiing to nossoly with the Act 331 Geo. 11: came within the ec qie of -a petition, or more property ought to originate in the House itself ? Fur his pert, he viewed the petilion with no very favourghle aspect, for the Freeholder' had foregone those righ a. they *tight before have exercised. and claw etude th e ir petition a vehicle for scandal, et the same time avoiding all responsibility. They might have called on Lord burvtry to produce hi. queliticetiotts et the elertian.-they alight have voted niftiest him-r or they might have petitioneld against Isis retarn.-- all that things, as Freeholders, they might hoot dere. and net mot to the Hewers compisioatits against an irregularity, which, side more pro.. pretty. would come, en the 'notion for a emu writ, Leos the House itse lf. . Hr. Vi'lLucits Wont was of opinion, thug the pendia meet be received in some way, either as ste election petition, or as en allegation of the Patideaccl, Spigot sit irregolastly, which, by Act of Parliement, rendered void thorns* of their re preseatative. He stated his view of the meaning of the Acts, 33 Geo. IL and In Geo. 111., both in volved is this goestmee t which. therefore, became or **eh importance, .that be would vote lor the ad journment. Mr. Winnings, andel oat ramie hie mama to %ha petition'. being brought up; bet when it was innaght up, be thosight the goestioe fot its being ornattrned, by laying it on the table. deserved reel &homy and ernsideristime. In his mind, it welt am to be laid ea the table. As fir as be could yet give it Ms ernsideration, it was nut en titled to this, as coining within the Grenville Act. On the score of feeling. every Member ms.t be hostile to it r . for what did it require? That they should enter into the itureatigmern of a meet deli. mete &object. ou which they hail no power to de cide—the legitimacy if Lord Donley. A sub ject, too. that might cent before a competent omit, wheat decision might be influenced by their vote. The petition accused Lord Dureley. alio sewed voider that name. sod his father, Earl Berkeley. who acknowledged him m sorb. of pr een using an imposition epee the county of Gloucester and the Home. if such a petition had come ill time to be within the Geensifte Acr. then the Home meat, by these &ligation' being incident. ally introduced. have taken them it.to their eon scleteCeal, but they would take care how they plunged themselves into so unpleasant an loves tiptioa. The Csaacatima of the Eiciitgtma agreed with the H.S. Gentleman in the two perms, as to the petitioo's being brought op, and as to the eversion the House *meld have. if they could ovoid it, of investigating them. allrgatien.. But it re quSed mature couvideration to decide on the pre ptiety of +Helm% the petition to lie on the tight., and whether they would or would not refuse Ye in quire into the truth of what the petitioners alleged m a proper and, re.pectful manner. As for the miewaduct imputed to these P.ttisuera, he did not think is was well 'omitted. foe they mold not romplaia of an act till it was done • and as their IN& elmiphtivit was fiw oat predated; the mernilite quilificattoti at the tattle d the Hou.e. it wav im possible to have petitioned et acted In any oche. way then they bed done. After the petition wa. brought up mid read. he would vote fur the adjunrument of the question. Mr. Aseacsonate +shed the petition to be Nod, in order to know if the petitioners were aware. at the time of the election. of she doves of disqoali &Mime they sow lammed to Lord Horsley. If it to tied ens that' they were. and had omitted the peecautied, tlsey might. at alit time, to have takes. bethought it would be too much iii them to ra l SO the Hountlef Commons to remedy their dreeiesdee. Alket a few words from Mr. Pousos se. the peti tion was brought up and read. It stated that the Art 33d of Geo. 11. enacted Clot Ateettbon returned to Parliament, wah ihr et rrptie.r of the eldest Imes of Peer•. Pte. s'anul.l pro • e thr•r qualifications at the table. .4, J. fault of • their election should be road. Tt. a William Farhsr.ireg Rorkeley. eall:ng himself Viscount Dars'er. awl d ,rmit9i to he the •11 , 4 ena and h• it appircut of l reaerick Augirtns Berkeley. Earl il'ltelef• 44d. muter Chu pret-ne-. nto.tted to pioduee hi, qualifications, as rel•-..rrdi by the Act, end 'Nat, therefore. h:s seat scut voii. The nrtt tion Own narras-ci an elan, in the parish nlia l P r e or the ktpas.us of %Valium E',•rhardsnr 3, rkelei Ilrer 4 liGede7l N Lbs 2::th w Jansarv. 17A7, as . • the son of Berl Berkeley, and Mary Cdr.— that on the kh of May, 1796, the same Eall of Berkeley case before the Surrogate of Surrey, and made oath that he was a bachelor, and Mary Cole, a spiuster, sad that they sere babsequently mar ried in the said nsouth of May, as appeared by an entry to that effect in the parish register of St. Mary's. Lambeth. That. it also appeared by the ',wish register of St. Martin's in the Fields, they had a son lawfully born of this..narrtage, tr Ito was baptised Thomas Fitzhardiag Berkeley, on 19th November, 1799. Upon three grounds. the Peti tioners allege that William Fetsharding Berke ley (caliing himself Lord Dursley) was adt the eldest sea and heir apparent of Earl Berke by, and hot having fulfilled the Act, had voided his peat in Parliament. Mr. SWAN, before moving that the petition should lie upon the table. begged tostate i that he took upon hisself no respons.latity, as to proviug the truth of the allegatious contatned iu the peti tion. --- Mr. C item thonghts that the Member who undertook to present such a petition its this, ought to have been ready at least to point out the Ermine lie would advise tae House to pursue. With ro. specs to the iselitiou itself, it was very faulty ; and e rs o ,S., g to them to prey ter redress of a grievance, it stated some facts, while tt omitted others eqnally notorious and well kris% u. This wet not the wiry to promote justice; and he would take the liberty of supplying a fee of these facts which had acciden tally came to his knowledge. The petition stated the marriage of 1790, but it totally omitted to notice, what it was impossible the petitioners should not be equally well acquainted with, namely, that in the register of the parish cherch of Berkeley, where they midrif f , there sat an entry of a pre vious marrisee, of Earl Berkeley and Mary Cole, in the year 1765. This must be known to the pe thinners, sa it was the common topic of the country during the election, and hail been openly discussed in the House of Lorills.—The seine registers iu 1787, continued the entry of the baptism of Lord Dursley, and opposite te, it an entry that he was the 'collimate child of that marriage, concealed for reasons known to the parties. This must have been equally notorious to the prtitioaers, as it was peblkly advettised in the county papers. together with the oath laud certificate for the second marriage. As for that circumstance, it alma from a suppura tion, at the time, that the documents to prove the engine' marriage were irretrievably lost; end Earl Berkeley, iu order to remedy it as far as possible. acted. as he did, tender the advice of the best lawyer. iu the country. He was, in general, frieadly to receiving the petitions of the subject ; but he was the less averse to return the present. Is the petitinnera would thereby sustain no injury.— They might yet frame anoilerr petitions to bring the ease within the Grenville Acts as the 14 days, thereby allowed. did not expire till Holiday. lu that case, the petitioner, would be liable to pains and penalties, if their allegations were frivolous; but. in the present case, their scandal was propa gated, without the riek of responsibility, and with out the House being able to come to au adjudica tion of the question. Ile, therefore, opposed its being laid ou the table. _ . . . Tie CIIANCELLOR of the EICIMQVZI asked the Hon. Giontleruso if he had shy view that it ors opew to the petitioners to bring their petition within the Greneille Act, as that was a very important comiiieration Mr. CALCRAST replied, that he spoke merely from a ennaideratioa of the time not tieing elapsed, The remarked, that that most entirely depedd on whether the nature of the petition cause within the Grenville Act or Dot. If it did, the lament petition might as well take that course as any other that could he framed. In his opinion, it did rwe e sod could not come within that Art. The Home would then bate to consider, whether, on its ono grounds, they would reject or inquire onto the allegations its the petition ? whether they would tefer the same to a Committee. of hivileires ?or take any other course to afford an ►rjured individual an opportunity for jostitiestinii, and to vindicate hi• character from the aspersions cast open it? This required mature deliberation, and he therefore moved the adjournment of the dim cumion till Tuesday. The SPEAKS'S' Fwd. it would be his duty to no tify this formally to Lord ponder ; and af'er a few explanatory remarks from Mr. Wens, Sir Jun i A NIITILVT/1111, and Mr. Soaemea, who observed that the tAth of the King was the only othrr Act which bore on the ca■e, the wljournewent was ■treed to. Ran INDIA AFFAIRS. Mr. nVIIIDAS moved, . That the Ih•n•e should R • into 74 Committee nu the alien of the I::sst Lam Company." Mr.l7lllEVa% opposed the motion. on the ground that all the papers Detweary for their information nn this subject. (sad particularly one ordered to be printed tea days ago), were not in the hands of Members. He then denoted the number of appli cations made for relief by the Company, within the trait thirty year. ; and contended, that before they were indulged in the ninth application now intend id to be made for 1.50u.0001., the House ought to see in what state their affairs were, and what sects nty they could gne for the money. Mr. Daunts declined entering into the general a-gement. which the lion. Gentleman wished to introduce. From what had fallen from the Hon. Gentleman. it certainly rppestred that he was in want of mote information on the subject; but, he trusted, hr would b► able to pr•tdnre as much as would sati•fr the Committee, and induce theta to awe, to the Resolution be had to propose. After a few °beer •ations from Mr. and Lord Mlon►CTV. the House divided : for the utoi.oo - - Agaerist Majerii y Upon re-entering the g.llery, we found the House in the Committee. and Mr. DVIIMAS on his lees. He ovum', that the question b.-fore the House lIPS. whether • certain sum should he ranted to the !a•t India Company. in their present state of ernharrswiment and distress II- impresses!. sir ingly. the Deets its of grantiug such relay'. as the appeal was to the liberality, as well as to tilt' jiastice, of the Howse. It was not his wish that the should come to the adoption of any getters! •r•tetn. at pre•enr. w th regard to the Fast India Company, u it was iatisuioio to rue *loather any sytern coot] he of say positive and dorable 'm urk ; or-whether, if the system was of promiaing appearauce, it could be at all adopted ; but he hoped that, before the terminatioa of next session, 'a plait would be adopted, which would elfertualii trouser the ineonveseitticirs to whiclt this 'object wea l exposed. The Company would be enabled to stud in their accounts regularly after the present period. and there would not exist the same cause., for com plaint which had, up to the present tittle, beau so very numerous. It appeared strange to some Gentlemen that the House should advance a sum of money to the DireCtors, and limit the payment to a certain time ; but he wished that such should be the conduct of the House, as it was most desirsble that the accounts should be pro , duced with resttlarity and putictuality. With it , spect to the mean. which the Company had of re paying the sum, it was aboard to entertain a doubt of their capabiltty of discharging a sum of vastly greater magnitude thou that %shoat he would pro pose to the COMmittee. It was evident to every body, that if goods to the amount of 6 or 8,000,0001. the property of the Conapaity, were under the im mediate eye of the Croviu, that such property would flatly defray the loan of 1.500,0001. and that it wail Instantly be appropriated to that purpose. He then stated. that in the year 1747 the expeia ture in India amounted to 3,•203,00u1. ; io the year 1771 it was reduced to the sum of 130,0001. and in the years HMS and ISo9, the surplus of the revenue amounted to iod,ooo'. The ex penses of the military eatablishineuts were largt, and other 'eatithlishments were proportionally increased; and the East India Company had a larger amount of email in their possession Duce the last accounts from India. than ever they had at arty period before. The Cump my wets, therefore, very well able to reimburse the sum to eoveroment. He did sat conceive it necessary to have so expen sive a military establishment u. lola as existed there ; and it would be a matter of great conve nience. if the Company were to take upon itself the responsibility for the expenses of that e.tablish ment. The Company'. debt in India, in the year 1906. was 2900(0001.; in the year 1107. 30,009,0001.; in lOUS, 32,000,0101. ; in the course of last year the amount decreased the sum of 1400,0001. ; the surplus was to go to defray the amount borrowed from Govetumeut. With re spect to vie Trade of Inch% that could. he hoped, be regulated, when the question would cone mt. nutely• before the House. He then moved g. That a sum. not etcerding 1300.0001. be granted towards the relief of the 1 7 .44-inil'a Company." Mr. Canvey siid, that the balances made by the Company sainted themselves. in the year 1508. amounted to 14 350,0D01.; in 1810. to 1 5007 , 3 0 1 1 . nearly three muttons worse ; so much for the inac curacy of the statement respecting the [banishing state of the Company. In fact. the Company could not give proper security for the repayment of the Loan, and bad, before this, forfeited all their engagements. Mr. Domes explained. He denied that the Company had forfeited their encasements. They had, on the contrary, Mulled all those which they had ever made. Colonel *Lace said, that all his confidence in the Last India Company was deatteytd. Mr. GBOROI6 JOHNSToce supported the motion. He agreed that the asilitery est datishinent in India should be reduced. with respect to expense, but not with respect to cumbers. Mr. theme said, that the Company had been Very.much misrepresented. He did not know iii what particular their cooduet was ceusu They had, with the greatest punctuality, paid all tbat had been borrowed upon fur,ner oeCalions, and deserved no such comment as had been patted upon their conduct. PRIIIIDERtiAn said, that if the documents fur which he had morsd had been produced. the subject of the trade of th• 61111111411 y would bare brew mote folly understood. lie supported the motion. Lord Moment' conceived i that the Company had ou the labevoltty of the public , and he, therefore, would vote for the tWietIOU. Mr. Csattte opposed the Loan. He said, that the East India Company wasted only by the apathy of the Hoot*, ■od toe public, and was of opinion, that instead of coniin4 to Parliament, they should use the power which they lied under the 37th of the King. _ The House then divided, when there apptarcd, Fob the Motion 77" Against it..... to On heiug re-admitted we found Mr. Wnithread putting • queition to the Chancellor of the EftChe quer, respecting the Report upon the I:tending Exchequer 81115. He wished to know winother it was the Right Hon. intention to make any motion upon the subject ? The CHARCLLLOR of the Exam Sven said, that it was his serious intention to do so, but es items of • most serious nature, and involving great altera tions, he could not promise tO bring it forward during the Wilmot Session. Mr. WIIITIMEIO thought it of importance. that that pat which wciild go to punish the fit:enders. should take place immelattiv t the other, which related to the revision of the once, might be de ferred to further consideration. The Aliened Taxes RegulAtion Bill went throstah a Committee. The report was r.criredr and ordered to be taken into further curtail', anon on Tue.dac. Mr. H. MAILTIW wished to know. whether it was the intention of the Chancellor of the Exchequer to press the House to a decision upon the Rill for fltf L tlisting the °See of Re g i s t er o f the Arbnireliy The ChainclLLoa of the EXCISEQUIR state,l i that it sea not. 51NECtIRE OFFICES. Mr. D. Omer brought up the Report of the Committee of Public Expenditure. On the putting of the second Resolution. Mr. &nets roe. to propose an asaendreetit. lie began by alleding to the late decision of the House against making *Tic alteration in the repretent4ttuu of the country. lie defended his cute on that oc casion. ritteipally upon the grouiid that no such alteratstm w4ts celled for by the reapectahle plot Gl' the cominenity, wheat unties ought to he consoltc.i. and then' npwniot s stun :deli t o . H e is . s not radical enemy to Reform in the representation : hut thought that mint prevent. te r :o shoats te• tak e n wore it was eaten:pad. Ile rs.presented the Joeteseity stbist cussed at this mem o , r . a Itoe of demoreation betw. en those ii!,o real friends of Reform, and those eh". pretence of Reform, were only anxious for Ills throw of the constlafttioti; this, he ',id, t,;!' effected by giving the latter to uniter.t:thd, they might look with confidence to the t: all Reform *hitch was mederete •nni With respect to the economy which the mias ok should propose in the t esolutiou was !du It to it vug. plish, he Would allows that it was not very ext,” that end well to be attaihed by circulates-mut large branches of the exisenditure. He propoo d sinecure places should be ahuliShed, and that &ions from the CrOwn should he substituted room. With respect to the influence of the Cm-, It was itnpusaible for any person who the inertose of the revenue, &e. not to tit it it had increased. It was not enough to fay 11, the increasing wealth in the hands of the was a counterpoise to this. The armr une, rr end other touts of pstroiuleauges,ujcui:taillairramtisisecit,•..!.. 'Mon that the influence was rath e r Mt r:,: e d dim to isned. Mire 178 2, e tatted of ite'prodaminauce. It ass right that s!•lould be a remunerat•on for the seriiees *lto were not bolo to 1-•fge etanery ; 1,•t : • was desirous that it 41..titd be limited eel. trenching upon the Executive Oct wished that it should proceed from II e , tom the Hour of Co, tteoils. He w,-tied e!..0 ti the pensions should be of a fioatmg nature; given not only where they weir descried. het a' they were wanted. He coin i.linavnted hi, tz t , Friends who had given up the emoluments of tht4: ofileds from a citnireetted of the necessity of too, my, though nobody c.. 0111 doubt their claims, II resolution did uct es..enti to persons cremes with IN Majesty, Ind the Royal F.lthily, fr. t , unwilli4oes,, on his port, to interfere odis . . . . - , splendour of Rusalt:. wished to sthet.o. to the rights of tuciitidnols, but hoped that t„ attention would ant he paid to them, than in ,.: interest.. lie believed the pabi,e Iro,l was favourable to this measure, which he thou.; there existed the strougest necessity fu► a.ta v , iug. He concluded with turning a Regobum recommeuding the adoption cf souse other wean to provide for tliceie who had served the pel&,l g 4 the abolition of Sinrcute Otters iti the littGi,t, together with certain regulations iu the officei afittCli to remotion Lord Mt t.ton agreed with the Right Hotiotretit G. oilman that sinecure places were not to I.sdr. feuded. The Hbdse. he thought, was bound to something s especially after the tattooer it !..t ei.neler atteisipt lead beers treated in another !lyre, IV here was the use in am/visiting Commute!, their sategestions were never to be acted too ? ridiculed the whimsical supposition of the Ri f .'l lion. Gentleman. who seemed to think, tl:st tie public feeling was in tivour of every thislotel.ul ha approved. The influence of the Crown had r. creased, and it was necessary to lop off ern; thal which went to promote that increase. Mr. BASTARb ttUittght. that the true power 4 the Crown WIN the •Wection of the people. It s l , necessary to curtail the expenditnte, sod to tt.ei the corruption, in order to stresgthtn this ar. - t%...,. Mr. BATHURST admitted that the e4Fsrt:ca et the treople was the greatest and I*d sup; A of ter Ctostu; hut denied that it should be cooto,idertd .s the sale one. The question between the two It: , solutions wus, whether they would hate tl'e under the name which it was now under s new name:aid) taridifications as tdonntit-s. If they adopted the latter coarse, they would tr. pose themselves to the charge of haring intenied a delusion. Instead of satistaction, it untold pr. duce discontent. The patrontge of the Crown oral increased ; but he thought the original Iteseletnit a pilfer way of proceeding to diminish Mr. 11. TIIOII%TON contended that the sra7 pre• posed by his Right lion. Friend was prefertiiil , -. His object was in reform upon principle. (orctio went and Parliament, it was to be regretted. 5!I not in that degree of reputation in which :b7 ought) end nothing wet more liksly to reirtryr them in the good opinion of the country, than ► adopting such measure.. of twodierate and ben." cial Reform, as that which was proposed to t.. 4 amendment. Mr. B. BATHURS? spoke In eltpland;on. Mr. M.Dustato contended, that the pe , ;•'• should he (-aniseed that the Must meant v.!! wards thew. He wished to he understood. that !. did not meua by the peailadeMigogneo who w°° -3 be that4ht the public, but the more numerous, t'!• well-regulated part Of society, and the more s.h,it, But whets he recollected how the Hon. (Mr. Bashes) had been thwarted I, His Mani'', Minister% he deserved every credit for hi, pew , veranee ; and his resolution, in his spasms, orig.' to he adopted. M. W. 'raying agreed with the sentiment, of the Hon. Member who preceded him. Mr. Wir.snaeoats drought it wohl.l he the t' wisdom of the kloa.e to redeem itself from pt!',! , r. odium, and to gap the approbation uf the per;• , There was not a maa in that House Wet elf - -I less for the approbation of slie mull. tie oi. • i to shear the well-inelined, who were the maim that the House was wolfing to maim every pro. • reform, for which reasous he would sulTur ameradmerir. Mr. Lott' vippooed t re resol/ , inn. The !lathe then divided. he.t therr aPP"e' Apes Novi M,,eritr :raisin Ministers.. When we weft re-uedutted into the found Mr. BA N [SS oohs kW. lowing n Kr•'••'• • '' upon the fiord quettion, paper No. 2. t.e. " it was exist...beta to reduce all Cleces tdo:ie by U• irsty ; end thit secunte si.ould be Ititt . n 1 . peputlev for the due r urmance of thew ,e.tt• duties." _ Mr. PERCEIVAL tootlation us object:oo4o)le, re P.ithitmeut hat.: to the grunt. instemd of the Crowu, a 5-! it : t!.e Iri,gth of waking the House of Cr.otm t • r'lltbr' Aftor wine cativeh.sit;h:., sh:c9 the • toot , g Hon. Gehtletrien took the( m. • Percet4l, Yhrhe. attil 1.0•( 4 House rtiviclei, *hen th.re a t ivesr• 14es ....... . .•.• ••• .•• •! ..c+!.. ~ o, t th fur a , t +ll, het rt'l3 1 ±I 4.11 7 1 ! . . Rh It! I P• li.l hp! , firs • !.to .o,le 41 tbt • tts 1 I . 4 1 • ii ) o'l d .s t r .. tm-ri !1:.4 /MO Pte . t5-rf 10 11 VA p,•4 wi-i 4 t .i!t en:1 1 ottft' ots of