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MIL He mantled to see a roof of the determination of Goys-n -atant to continue the Assessed Taxes, and'he gave notice Met he Would bring the subject before the Monsoon an early day. The.queetinn :xis g put, some voices were heard in the negative. eige4HOBHOUSE then called foe a division, and strangers *ere to withdraw. On our return to the gallery, we found that the resolution had Metz agreed to without • division. The Juries in India Bill was read • third time end passed. • 'lb. Irish Manor Courts Bill was read • locoed time. SALARY TO THE PRESIDENT OF THE BOARD OF TRADE. _. _On the motion that the Report of th e Committee should be beedght up, . bInteHOBNOCSE said he felt that he shouldlie guilty of a rinfarct duty, if he were not to tezproes his astonishment at anee Aid] Ministers were pursuing; he was amazed that they should choose the present time for an 'cementation of the public burthens. The Right Hon. Gentleman the Chancellor of elle Euhequer had said, in a speech which he untie a f e w e venings before. that he felt encumbered W:th the patronage which was en. trusted to him ; be bad, on that occasion, talked of paltry pa. nonage in a proper tone—yet how inconsktent was his conduct With his professions. The Right Honourable Gentleman came down to the House a few evenings after he had made that declara tion, and asked, as a matter 'of course, that the House would d.. Ible one office into two, in order to increase the patronage of the' Crown. He did rot wish to give undue importance to small neat. tors, but lie wished to ask the Right Honourable Gentleman by ' What principles he was guided when he made that demand}— ad the Home never heard of there being poor Itielicpricks, to ftefeh it was necessary to attach another situation in totter to give a Offikient compensation? Ile (Mr. Hobbes:lse) had known two in. *armee in the see of Bristol, where such had been the ease, both the late and the present Bishops having been allowed to retain the Illeatenhip of Trinity College; sad he 1/11111d ask if are body heal ow heard of application being made to divide those officer'? In Me resent question the onus of proof that the measure ears heels /FP, laid with the Hon. Gentlemen opposite. They ought to he able to drew that the offices had not been satisfactorily filled by one inister. The Right lion. Gentlemen who had filled the offices of reasurtt of the Navy and President of the Board of Trade had not forward to say that they were unable to fulfil the duties of those seers; at the same time it would of course be more agreeable to any Right Honourable Gentleman to have one office insteid of two, provided the salary of one was equal to both. Ile (:Ir. Hob. hdiso) bad to complain that, in opposing the measure, he was pieced in the situation of appearing to object to viii increase of as. my to the Right Honourable Gentleman (Mt. littaknoton). It he (74r. Ilobhouse) could chew any respect by any act of his to the AI& Honourable Gentleman, it would give hint the greatest sa *lntim to do in, from the admiration he felt for bin able and very itreeitorieueservicas—but that was not the question upon the pre leen occasion—'he question 11119, whether or not in remunerating Mr. Huskiest= they were to hare an additional officer in the House I C 0011991019. The Right Honourable Gentleman the Chancellor Of the Exchequer had tried to %hew that the office of Treasurer of the Navy renews sinecure. lie (Mr. Hobhousei did not mean to day that it was; hut he did mean to eav that those Right Hon. Oentlernm who had filled the office had mince it adequately, and - i without complaining of the duty imposed upon them. At the dame time he recollected that his Right lion. Friend, the 31ember Mr Mnareshonsugh (Mr. Tierney), had said on a former night. that be did the duty by atfenditiv cue hour each day. The Right lion. tbeffideman the Chancellor of the Exchequer end stated that there tea en anxious responsibility coached to the office. and for which et reptervionate remuneration Mrs therefofe necessary. The quemi- SW was. whether the money was to pay the Treasurer or the NM RAIL pet aanam far that atieious responsibility ? aed dim, thee it was necessary that the House should inquire what that Osponalbffity was. He (Mr. llohhowie) world ask what it was. asearding to the Right Bon. Gentlemen the Chan:ellor of the Ex. 0ba11014 . 9 01101 shoed . Whop lie held the office of Treasurer of Me Navy it hap that iso Mr. Tweedie and anotheeprn cab. zene mended, being efaulters to the Government at the time in the sum of 710.0001. But the responsibility on that account turned out to be nothing at all, for it was found that he vans not responsible at all, either in forays* or otherwise, the Treasury having relieved Itim from it. As to the question whether the Treasurer of the Navy ought to indemnify the public against losses by his clerks. be (311 r. Habhouse) thought the office ought to be so arranged that the public could not be autierers by any act of rascality whatever. B • would contend that nothing had been shren which could Justify the Increase at this particular time; indeed, it was dear that no additional remuneration was required ; and lie was wholly at a loss why his Majesty's Ministers wished to carry for ward such a measure at that moment. Ile was cacao that there wee not one Gentleman on that (the Opposition) side of the House who wished to displace them: but it was unfair to take advantage Of the popularity they had gained by the assistance of that side of the House, and make die Right Hum Gentleman carry weight. It was unfair to take advantage of the character of the flight Hon. Gentleman in proposing that measure, and indeed rot a very worthy mode of conduct to the House, and far less to the lion. Gentleman himself. Out of doors there was only cite opinion on the subject_ that the House ought not to go bock to the old system, and add an additional salary, to be taken out of the packets of the pub:ie. The eoedaet of his Majesty's Ministers had been marked by . liberal feeling, or he might as well say of his Majesty's Opposition (a bugh), and he should be glad to go on with them in the course they had adopted on many occasions lately ; hut he could nut are why t)6y should draw them through the mire when there was not that shadow of an excuse to be matte. There was rent a single indi. Milord, whether connected with his Majesty's Ministers or not, but considered it a most unwarrantable attempt toadd to the number of ;linieters in that Howie. There never was a case before in which tt was necessary for a Right lion. Gentleman to make a speech on his own ease, and which he (Mr. ilobhouse) must consider as very eatefr upon the Right Hon. Gentleman (ale. Huskisson ) to by compelled to do. That Right Hon. Gentlenian must not think that it was with any hostile feeling towards him that he objected to the reception of the report, but quite the contrary. lie objected to the report metely to give Gentlemen an opportunity of recording ' their sentiments upon the general principle. Lord GLENORCHY acconaed the motion of his Hon. Friend (Mr. Hobhouse)„ and described the principles of the Right Hon. Gentleman to be at variance with his practice. When his Lord ship concluded, the question was loudly called for, upon which Mr. Secretary CANNING rose and 'laid, that on the question 99 which reference had been made by Gentlemen on the other side, he was anxious before the House caine to decision to state his 00. titan, and he would do 90 in ss few words as possible. lie should out %she any advantage of the Hon. Gentlemen (Mr. llobliouse) upon the ground of his opposing the bringing up of the Report, bat take it in his view of it, quire as the proper way, not as op. -prising the grant in favour of hi:. Right Hon. Friend, but con. sidered as a general principle. Gentlemen naked why his Ma. July's Government took the proem time time the bringnig forward thersposition ? The fact pat, the question arose not with his blejeety's Government but with his alajesty's Opposition, as it was called by the Hon. Member. l A laugh.) There nos not the 'Benet intention on the part of his Majsny's Government to bring tarward the present measure, until • suggestion came from ' the abet side of the House, and that suggestion Caine in times very eidetic% from the present. It was •the misfurune of ilia Majesty's Government that they had to execute the project at a his favour. able moment, such was their miaturtune brat not their fault. As ft was the general feeling or the House. his Maji sty's Government ought not, and did not, shrink front bringing the meaatire forward. But they were not responsible for the time, for en intimation had reached them, that if they did not stir in the 'never that it would be taken up by the other side of the House, no that that choice of tome was not of theirielection. What he was going to say, he said upon his word of honour, that last year lie had not intended to bring forward the measure: and lie thought it recessary to say, without reference of course to any advantage to accrue to his lion. Permit, but io reference to the question generally, treconnected with any particular Administration. that he would prefer to claim the ancient office of Trea s urer of the Navy. Ile t Mr. Secretary Canning) would look back to the history of the two offices, which Gentlemen seemed to consider it would be inlionien to separate— or that, if separated, hike the :sons coterie, with two bodies joined together, part them and one must die. He would lank hack to the mate of those offices in Mr. Burke's time, when reform was intro duced in 1782; previous to that time the Board of Trade was a salaried dr= like the Admiralty, with Commissioners and Officers whose salaries amounted to between 11,00 W. and 10,6041/. a-year: by Air. Burke', Bill they were abolished. At the same time, and in she some Bill, ...Ir. Burke proposed the regultititti fur the Trearurer of the Navy and the Paymaster of the Army, and what he paid, therefore, °rune, would be applicable to the other. The Treasurer of the Navy at that time enjoyeri large emolument by salary, and by the permitted use of the public money in his hands, and so did the Paymaster of the Army. Alt. Burke did not propose to drive tease officers out of Parliament, but he very properly did not sane ties the using of the public money, but proposed to transfer a ll pabliewtooles to the Dank of lingiend. Ile had no intention of diminishing the salaries of time officers; he said, mm Gad forbad 1 should touch those offices, held by gentlemen of the highest rank and eminence in the country ;" meaning by rank and eminence to apply it to the situations they held in the House of Commons. The circumstance of transferring the balances to the Bank of England bad the Whet of depriving these offices of part of their show of budnesa. hi r. Burke's Bill also abolished the salary of the Beard of Trade. in 1756 t h e Bill was brought in, and Mr. Burke's memeare was tarried into effect, the salary of the Treasurer being recognised at 40001. a.year, which existed up to the year MT, add from the year 178.5 up to the present period, - the ollese bed as often been held separately as jointly. For the lest See yore after that time the office of Treasurer of the iriwy weo held by Mr. Dung" with that of President of the Board of Central. to 1790 the Board of Control was made a salaried eit ai the President receiving 2.0001., main the 11491.1 t of NT. ' De 'a salary 8,0001., somewhere about equal to that of the Se crets/Me of State. Mr. Dundee held them until 1710, when the resent Lord Ilerrowhy, then 31r. Dadley Ryder, held it, but whims the Board of Trade, until BIOL. Alc Bathurst, • gentle. sn a ei DO • Member of that House, was then appointed, with. out heidi soy tuber ( ke offlee. lu lOUS time Right Hon. Gentleman kigar fr. Tierney), with great credit to himself , tilled the 2rishboot say other annexed to it. In 1804 he (Mr. Canning) hod the heseste Se succeed, without any office annexed. In-ffiefi p t fr . aki n tg an apecroded. without holdinF any other office. In V/If Ali. lime Warne ?mason of the Navy, and held the office it YiesoPeloident of the Bawd of Trade in ceojenction ttotil the peer Mee be the emend to hold.the office in the Board of Trade, soil bad lOW of Temwarer of the Navy alone until bpd death. I t wee dkatafte tiwiee a same to suppose that die situations rate be field alone ; in point of number it was in favour th. hilkiibills bolding. .He (31r. Canning) would soy , as allieD sae not • • 'lnmate. What the Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Timmy) mid an Friday be (Bt. Secretory Canning) would now repeat, being, as 'it wasthets, when filled by the Right Hon. Gentleman, occupied by a man of talent and compieutrus in the House of Commons. The talents of such a penen were constantly employed in many sets of business, not as belenging to any pare. cular department, hut whits were required of him generally by the Government to perthrm. Ilk. Rose Lehi the situation of Treasurer of the Navy alone in 1817, and in that year the Committee of Finance made their report. The salary at that time was 4.0001. a year, and with a house, coals. du:riles, and other advantages, made about 8001. a year mere. The Coneuittee of Finance made theireeport on the 23d of June, lOU. They estimated the - salary as too large. and recommended a reduction on a future appointment to that office, and proposed that it 'Mould be placed uti a level with the Paymaster of the Forces. The salary of the Paymaster of the Forces, by Mr: Burke's Bill, was fixed at 4.0001. a year and a house. As the House were aware the et: nation was divided into joint Paemastent, one taking 2.000/. and the house, and the other the remaining 2.0001. From 11t14 to 1795 the salary of the Linde of the Admiralty had been 1,0001. and the Treasurer of the Nevy 3,040/. and to which animint the.Comittittee recommended it should lie re duced. Free the language of the r eport of ch at Comm it I re. it was clear they contemplated that there might exist officers whose time was not wholly taken up by their office, but which was liable to be token tip by the general husineas of Government. It was recognized b , ' tint Committee that such officers might have other business to transact than that relating to their immediate offices. and one of ' which, exit was mentioned by them, Red not his own language, he Wight refer to, was Parliamentary business, time attendance on Committers, and for which persons holding office. of that sort ' were eminently desirable. He believed his Right Hon. Friend ' (Mr. Peel) was at the present time Chairmen of a Committee, and every body must recollect *at the Noble Ignel (Londonderry) of whom he (31r. Canning) was the unworthy successor. had, by his attendance on the Committee oil the great corn question, and others, completely destroyed his physical ettength. A great diffe rence of feeling on the subject of the measure existed amens/ gen. elemen on that (the Opposition) side of the House. One Gentle. roan said that the offices ougot to be separated, but that lion. Gentleman mood alone In his Abjection—seedier was of opinion that enough would be done if the salary was diminished—while another was of opinion, and that appeared to he the jet of objec tion, that it was done to constitute a new office in Parliament. lion. Gentlemen had been very kind in their commendations of Government, but they had taken back in detail what they had given in the gross. and.that by the most vituperative invective they could invent. Ile ( Mr. Canning) would ask, whatever Mules his Majesty's Government might have displayed, whether they had shervn any wish to increase the number of their officer in Parlia ment? The Hon. Member for Caine (Mr. A bereminby) had' mentioned the ernes of the Board of Trade, the Treemtership of Ireland. and the Mastership of the Mint. Of the Treasurership of ' Ireland a conaoli.lation of office had taken. place of great advantage to the public service, and thet was most effective. As to the Mas. tership of the Miot„ before Mr. lVallece held that, he was at the head of • Parliamentary Conimietion ; and his Majesty's 0 0 . vernment cave him the office of Masterof the Mint, and retrenched his salary at the head of that Conimission • and lee would ask, could not hie Majesty's Government. if they had been so dispneed, have given it to another person? That Commission (the Cum mission of 'Revenue Inquiryt Ind received from the llouse the greatest possible eulogiunn. It could net therefore be said that his Majesty's Government had been looking out for parliarnentcry patronage. There never had been a Governinent which hadcone on with so many detidestious of votes a, the present. They had not endeavuuteti to fortify themselves with a single vote. If they were to remain in office, he hoped it vomid fee by possessing the emiffilence of the House thear, hear); and not, as it was fermerly, when mostions were decided by a majority of six, eight, ten, or twenty votes: rather than such should he the ease, he would wish the Government to be at an end. (lleer. hear.) Ile hoped the house would not chase out of Parliament every officer whose effirrts strengthened the hands of Government. The Government had been lax in respect to the number of votes in that Muse; and so tar did he dither from the Hon. Member for Caine ( Mr. A bercrotnby),that he asserted there were officers at the present time out of Parlia ment that no Government ever did without. lie (31r. Canniec)re- membered Mr. Pitt in the plenitude of his power, when he was equal teeny ten of his Majesty's prevent Government; Mr. Pitt was sup_ ported by the Master of the Rolls (Sir W. Grant), who was never oat of the Homed Commons. lie (Mr. Canning) would ask, if the Government were anxious for votes, why the Master of the Rolls (since that period) hail been allowed to remain out of Parliament ? Them was another officer also that he (Mr. Canning) recollected,' who at civil law corresponded with the situation (Wide Majesty's 1 Attorney-General—he meant the King's Advocate ; he also was no longer a Member of that House. It was perfectly in his (Mr. Canning's) reeollection, that in two of the hottest debates that ever occurred in that House, the questions had been decided by the votes of the Master of the Rolle and King's Advocate of that day. The fact was, that his Majesty ought to have in Parliament an officer to correspond with the Attorney-General; and he might truly assert that there never was a Parliament troll the present, in which the Government had not a 'Judge Advocate. ( Hear, hear.) He trusted that he bad then rebutted the general accusation which had been advanced, that Ministers were looking for an increase of Parliamentary places. (Hear, hear.) It such were the case, was it probable that they would have allowed three places to escape them? (Hear, hear.) Surely the Hon. Members opposite would admit that this at least was a proof that, in maimaining the 0 ;tee of Treasurer of the Navy, hP Majesty's Ministers were not senzate I by any desire to gain the patronage of an additional place. Had such been their view, he t Mr. Carving) could only say that they had missed abundant opportanittee of doing so, when it could have been done without the gainsay of a single indi vidual. (Heer, hear.) There was another paint to which he wished to draw the attlntion of the House. It had been said that it wax of greater importance that the Treesufor of the Navy should not be aParliamentary man, than that his salary shoull suffer any diminution. He must declare that he had a greater objection far to withdrawing the holder of that office from earliament than he had to the decrease of his salary. (Hear, her.r.) %Pith respect to the influence of the Crown, he was mire that to -curtail its privileges or its influence in that way would be quite as prejudicial to the country as it would be to increase it In an extravagant degree. ((dear, hear.) Ile hoped the House would look a little to the op posite side of the picture, and examine what would be the probable effect of driving out of the House ali those Officers who held situa tion.' under the Crown. Ile was MU aware that any law exiered which bound his Majesty to select his Ministers Tfliill amongst foe ' Members of the House of Commons. Ile might chooseany private Gentleman whom it might be his pleasure tooppeint to fill official stations. The Gentlemen opposite to him woulo, of course, cry out against such appointments, but yet that was the manner in which the business of the state was conducted in many other coon. tries. (Hear, hear.) Ile had never heard it asserted that the King was bound to cheese his Ministers front amongst the Members of both Houses of Parliament. (Hear, hear.) But looking to the converse of the proposition, he would ask it' there is nn rule to bind his Majesty to such Reelection, is there no good Reese in it ? (Cheers.) ' Did it not operate as a check upon the conduct of the administra tion ? Was there no advantege—even though it might not be the law—was there no security iiii the circumstance, that the person on whom the choice fell should have given solid proofs of his ability during a probation in that limete, where he was constantly under the public eye? (Cheers.) The inf.:ll9de coneequence of divesting of Perin:nen:my character even those offices %huh were below the rank of theoffice of a Cabinet M Mister, would be, vs had been stated by Mr. Burke, to render the: country less /genre against the favouritism that might be exemised et the will of the Crown. The effect of divesting thorn offices of a Parliamentary character would be to lower the standard of the holders as public men. Of those offices the Treasurer of the Navy was one, lie held an office next is eminence to that of Ministers of the Crown. lie was sure the Honourable Gentleman (Mr. Hobhouse) would not believe, indeed it was impeasible that he could suppose that, for the sake of a vote, they would ever reneent to go through such a debate as had just taken place. ilesincerely believed that the office of Treasurer of the ' Navy ought to continue, and he could assure the House, that as far turegarded thereponderacy of the influence of the Crown, the office did not value a single feather. It', bay/Leer. the Hoene were to tle cide that such offices :Mould be no longer of a Parliamentary cha racter, each a decision would make all interior offices a scrainb:e for the Lis curites of the Crown. lie would contend that the best service done to those offices was the maintenance of their Peril 'men. tary character. (Ilear.) Persons might he chosen to (lime offices who would make good bombers' clerks. One hundred candidates would be raised for every one existing at the present moment, and the offices end the men would be alike degraded in public opinion. The ether question to be eonsidettel was that of valery, and wit!' regard so that, he knew not upon what principle it could be adopted as regerded the office of Treasurer of the Navy. Sometimes it had beer, somewhere between four and five thousand pomade ; latterly it had been between three and four thousand ; and it was now pro. I posed still further to reduce it. A. lie had already stated, he knew of no principle by which to nicesine the appropriation of salary ; but although he could find no satisfactory reason, he might per haps find a rule upon which to form a judgment. The Report of the Committee of Finance in the year 1817. stated, that when the office of Treasurer of the Navy was held separate, it should be so held upon the same footing as that of the Paymaster of the Army. (Hear, bear.) Ile Mould not take upon Matel(' the onus of setting up his opinion eeeinst that of the Committee. His opinion at the time was given with a nutepective view. Tee salary of the Paymaster of the Army was 2.0091. pee annum, with a Meuse which Might be valued at NW. per annum ; thus making the Amt. Lion worth, annually, 2.6tML The reduction, therefore, •hich was proposTd in the office of the Treasurer of the Navy, according to thelminion of that Committee. would render it leas by upwards of 1,111001. than it was at the present moment, and leas by one-half than it was prior to the year 1817. (Hear, hear.) The Right Hon. Gentleman spoke another sentence, which, from the noise in the gallery, we were unable to hear, and then sat down amidst loud cheers. Mr. TIIRNEY then rope, and said that any person who had heard the Ibis speech of the Right lion. Secretary, must noes-. eerily heed Imagined that the question before the House was the propriety,Of abolishing the office of Treasurer of the Navy. (Hear, hear.) Bo no person had propnsed anything of the sort. (Hear, hear, h 1 e111.4t this moment reviiral Members entered the Houte,) a was extremely glad to see gentlemen coming in, .48 he was sure that now they would have a fair start. (A laugh.) The question was, whether the President of the Board of Trade should moire 20001. more for that office than he already received as Treasurer of the Navy, and he sincerely hoped and entreated that the House would not be talked eat of their acquiescence to grant. Mg the disposal °Committer office to ebe Crown. Hip Honourable Priem* at his (Me. Tierney's) We of the House, had bees de. signated as his Ma' Opposition which he really looked upon ea a this con great praise and honaqr. ( Laughter.) For his owe part he triad both ways, (Great laughter,) rod he meld assert that, poetically, Ma side of the Howse might be eon. &Wed a bIitOCII Of Ma Majesty's Government. (Grist laughter.) THE BRITISH PRESS. "They," said the Right Hon. Geademan, "are in office, we are in power. We suggest all the impriventents, butt they hold all the emoluments." (Great cheers, and laughter.) It appeared that the motion, according to whet had been stated by the Right Hon. Secretary. Mal sprang from his (Ms Tierney's) Ride of the House. It might be so, but he confessed himself much at a loss to dis cover who had suggested it. It amend that it was said some time in the course of last Session of Parliament, and that it had since then laid heavy on the minds of his Majesty's Minister (laughter); and after salient - A cogitation, they sit length " Yes. we will have a salary attached to theoflicc of President of the Mont of Trade; we will have another office, now we Arent, to it !" But his Majesty's Opposition did not suggest that. (Great laughter.) No such thing—hut, instead of their own little child, a great lusty bantling, in the shape of a Treasonr of the Navy—totally uaele.s— was sought to be thrust upon them. (Continued laughter) The Right Hon. Secretary had said that his Majesty's Minister were not alert in their attention to thin own interests, or they need not want supporters; but he (Mr. Tierney) would wen that they did want supporters. He had never witnessed a session in which they required greater support. In fact, if it had not been fur him (Mr. Tierney) and his friends, the Right /1.1.1. Gentleman must have ren'andd nix office I He bad repeatedly declared that he would not hold office with a pitiful majority of twenty. If, therefore, he took away the support given in the course of the Session to the Ministry from his side of the House, he would have found himself repeatedly without a majority at all. (Hear, hear.) The Right lion. Secretary had also stated, that when they lost Sir Thorns. Plomer as Master of the Rolls, they had no other to succeed him in that House. This was true enough, becalm another place had got the person of the present Master of the Rolls. (Applause and laughter.) It had been also assumed that his Majesty's Opposition was made tep Of lawyers; but the fact was, that they not only bred but also imported them from the ether side of then own. (Laughter.) Half their strength was reared in the nursery at the other side. (Great laughter.) .Here then they were—his Majesty's Opposition with two Civilians. But opposed to these was one Civilian and a Judge. and a Judge ought to be conaidered equal to two Civi. bans. (A laugh.) The Civiliatabad been placed by the Right Hon. Gentleman in the Board of Coatrol ; not, certainly, on account of his knowledge of India affair s , but because 1.5001. per annum was attached to the situation. (Hear, hear, hear.) Then there was the Chief Justice of Chester, who had been borrowed, ( Hear, hear) ; and he supposed they would soon have Mr. Kenrick. (Laughter.) Having thus disposed of these matters, he would proceed to the consideration of what was the real question at insue. ft was, whether they should give the Right Hon. Gentle man (Mr. Iluskisson) the sum of 20001. per annum (anti he wish ed to say that, if it was merely intended an a compliment to that gentleman, he should moat cheerfully coincide in the vote,) in addition to 311001. which he already possessed. That wan tile question, and he had to observe that the Right Honourable Gentleman (Mr. Iluskisson) had made no complaint. He put it to the Right Hon. Gentleman whether every thing had not gone on to his satisfaction during the last six yearn, and if he would answer in the negative, he ( Mr. T.) would sit down without another well!. Ile felt convinced Jim it would be a wanton waste of pub lic motley, such as that House would never, he hawed, consent to. (The Non. Gentleman sat down amidst continued cheers.) The gallery was then cleared for a division, when there appeared For the Resolution 87 1 Against it 761 Majority II Mr. Secretary CANNING then rose, but from the noise in the gallery we could only bear an occasional word of what he let fall. As far as we could understand him, he said that he was aware that the decision of the majority, technically speaking, was the decision of the House; but yet, as a strong feefirg hail been expressed against the measure, he did not feel called upon to persevere in it. (Cheers.) lie regretted that the majority was so small; and although. u • matter of principle, he still believed the measure to be judicious, he would nevertheless, as a matter of expediency, abandon it. (Continued cheering.) Mr. TIERNEY said that his Majesty's Government had earned the approbation of his Majesty's Opposition. (A laugh.) The CHANCELIA)R of the EXCHEQUE R then rose, and said, that under those circumstances he was content to annex the Presidency of the Board of Trade with the ancient office of Tree. surer of the Navy. He felt it his duty to carry that course into effect, and he should proceed to do so without any sense of shame ; feeling, as he did, that it was unjust to cast reflections upon Go vernment, as If they were only anxious for more extensive patron. age. He should therefore tnove, as an amendment, that the sum of 2,0001. be inserted instead of 5,0001., as the annual salary of the President of the Board of Trade. Sir M. W. RIDLEY seconded the motion. Mr. Alderman THOMPSON said a few words, which were inaudible in the gallery. Mr. HUME expressed a hope that he might be allowed to put in a word. (A general laugh ) Ile hoped that his Majesty's Oppo sition would alwaya do their duty as they had upon that occasion, and that his Majesty's Government would yield oftener in a similar manner to the wishes of the people. _ . The Chancellor of the Excliegun amendment was then agreed to, and leave was given to bring in a fill pursuant thereto. BANK CHARTER AMENDMENT BILL The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved the order of the day for the House resolving itself into a Committee upon the Bank Charter Amendment Bill. Upon the motion that the Speaker do leave the chair, The CHANCELLOR of the EACH EQUER said. that there were some verbal amendments (some of consequence and others of no importance), which it would be necessary to effect in a Com. mittee ; and he though► it would be better that the House should resolve itself into a Committee for the purpose of having the blanks filled up. in order that it might be enabled to ju:ge better of the nature of the alterations. BARING asked if it was the intention of the Right Hon. Gentleman to have it subsequently re-committed ? The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, that it ws. his intention that it should be re-committed ; and he thought it would be better not to discuss it until then. The House then rewired itself into a Committee, the alterations were agreed to. and the House resumed. Mr. BROGDEN brought up the Report, which was ordered to be taktn into further coneidetation on Friday next, and to be printed. TRISH PRISON LAWS AMENDMENT BILL. Mr. GOUI.111:1IN brought up the Report of the Prison Laws (Ireland) Bill—To be mild a second time on Friday next. lOLVENT DEBTORS' BILL. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL brought up the Report on the Insolvent Debtors' Bill. Mr. HWIE enquired whether the fees in the Insolvent Debtors' Court were not excessive, and open to retrenchment. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said he should make the ne cessary inquiries before the third reading of the Bill, and if upon examination he found any grounds for complaint, with respect to the subject of the lion. Member's inquiries, he should take we to have them corrected. Mr. HUME said he wished to have crown debtors placed upon an equal footing with other debtors. A case had been reported to him of one man, who had been confined fur four years for a debt of ten pounds. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL doubted the accuracy of the statement. He could assure the Hon. Member, had a statement been Made to him of the facts of etch case, he would have riven orders for the immediate discharge of the man. No such state ment had been made to him, and be was emirely ignorant of the existence of such a case. The Bill wet then reed a second time. IRISH TRESPASS ACT. Mr. L. COOPER moved for leave to bring in a Bill to amend the 40 Geo. 111. relative to the Imitations Impounding of cattle in Ireland._Leave granted. ARTICLES or CLERKSHIP ENROLMENT BILL. Mr. BERRIES moved for leave to bring in a Bill to allow further time for Enrolling Articles of Clerkship in certain cases, and Attorneys' Certiticaten—hearst granted. . Mr. BERRIES moved foe leave to bring in a Bill relative to Enciseable Articles in Ireland. After a few words from Mr. HOIIIIOUSE, Mr. Alderman Worm, and Mr. Poll TMAN. leave was given to bring in the Bill. Mr. 001:1,BURN presented tinther papers relating to pro. readings in Demerara and Berbice...—Laid on the table. 111 r. HERMES brought in a Hill to continue the Act of the let and 2d of his pre..ent Majesty relating to Stamp Duties.—Or dered to be read a second time ro.merrow. The other Orders of the day hating been then disposed of, the House adjourned at a quarter to Nide o'Clock. RED STATICED GLASS.—The mode of manufacturing that species of Red Glass which appears so peculiarly brilliant in the most highly esteemed and valued painted windowa, not only in this kingdom, bat throughout the whole continent of Europe and Asia, has been lost to the moderns since the golden age of the an. dents, till within the last few months, when a discovery was made by a celebrated chymist in this metropolis, which even bids fair to rival the moat choice and elaborate specimens of 't the olden time." Mr. John Blades, of Ludgate-hill, has just manufactured, for the purpose of exporting m Madras, four pair of exquisitely orna. mented chandeliers, which,are intended to be placed in temples of worship in that part of Is world. 'To all persons who have had an opportunity of viewing these &mint and tasteful productions, the brilliancy and sparkling glittering, and the magnificency of the Red Stained Glass Chandeliers, hay, been the theme of universal and well-deserved admiration. The following is the House List of Governors lull Direc tors of the Bank of England for the year ensuing, viz.:— FOR GOVERNORS. John Baker Richards, Esq. Governor. Samuel Drewe, Esq. Deputy Governor. TOR DIRTCTORT. John Bowden, E. 1 Jahn Horsley Palmer. Req. Cornelius Buller. Esq. James Pattison, jun. Esq James Campbell, Esq. Jelin Henry Pelly, Esq. William Cotton, Esq. Jain Paine, Esq. Tiniothy Abraham Curds, Eq. Charles Pole, Epq. George borrim, Esq. ShrJohn Rae Reid, Bart. Jeremiah Harman , Esq. William R. Robinson, Esq. John Benjamin Heath, Eq. Balmy Smith, Esq. Samuel Hibbert, Esq. Stel Thornton. Esq. William Manning, Eeq. W ham Weed, Esq. William Mellish. Esq. T ma Warm, Esq. William Mitchell, Esq. or D ir ectors Esq. The Election for Governor and ty Governor will be held at the Bank ihla day, and or Directors tc-morrow, from ten o'clock in the Ibrenoon till four in the after -1 noon. PRICES OF BRITISH Rank Stock 20.11 2021 204 per Cent. Ited. 79 I per Cent. Cont. 791 Emi 793 Ditto Acct. 701 79t j 3; per Cent. Red. j_86.1 85j New 4 per Cent. oat STOCKS YESTRRDAT. Long Ann. 19 7-16 1 7-16 India Donde 7 6 pm Ka. RUIN 10001. 7 6pm Dino 5001. 7 6pm I)ltto Small 7 6 pm Lottery Tleket4 211. 111. PRICEY OF FUltEltiN Brazilian Bonds 58 • Chlllan Hobd4 444 Colombian Bondy 49 71 Ditto Honda (1824) 46 a 6 7 61 7! 6 6 4 Ditto Acct. 48 a 4 74 45 71 i a 7 i 61 1 Daubiti Honds (1825) 581 8 French ftenle.:, per Cent. M. lizohange 2.5 f. sOe. 84k. French Itenteg 3 per Cent. 115 f. 60e. I;6(. 25e. lizolianqe 23f. 6De. Daadala i ara Donde sTocKs vf:STIRDAY. Ureek Bonds Ditto Runde (1825) 14 2 Mexican Ronda Ditto Bundy (1e25) 66 4 4 13 61 6 84 4 4 Ditto Acct. 652 62 6 I 2 6 62 6 62 1 41 5, 4 Peruvian 13•,r1c 29 2 8 9 19i Ilitto Acct. 29 8 9 PrtHviatt !tondo Ditto Pend.' '1922; 822 11114.,111. ii ,n I. //96 b 0 4 Ditto Acct. Mll6 6 SpanlAti 11und. 91 I • PRICES OF SHARES YESTERDAY. MINIS. Stare. Paid. Braslllan Paseo.Petuvisu ........... 4OO 50 par United Mexican ........... . ...... .10 20 Ditto New 4O IS idie AVIURANCIS COMP♦VIa9. Winne British and Foreign ........ lOO 10 Par Proteotor Firs 2O die OAS LICHT AND CUSS COUPANIZA. Phcenti PAIACNLLANICOVE Equitable Lunn Rank.... ...... Oat Enaine Carriage 60 I !di, lOU I !pm Inn mritioll aPfergiO. DRURY-LANE TDEATRE. Tide Evening, TV ESI/ IY, Aprlt 11. will he performed the new National Ilell-1 °peva of PdALVINA. The principal Character; by 711e4.ra. Wallack, Sinclair, Horn, Harley, Archer; Mimmi Stephen., Poem', and Kelly. After which the new Grand Romande Fairy:fate of OBERON ; or, THE CHARMED IldltN. The principal Characters by :Hestia. 0. Smith, Bensett, Browne, T. Blanchard, Pope, Howell, Mercer, Votartee, W. Ilebuett. and G. Smith; Aliases Smithson, Vincent, and Macdonald; and Mrs. C. Junes. COVENT-GARDEN THEATRE. • To-morrow Evening, WEDNF:SDA V, April 12, will be performed (firet time) a Grand Romantic and Fairy Opera, entitled OBERON ; or, TIM ELF-KING'S OATH. The Overture and the whole of the hlu,ic composed by Carl Maria Von Weber. The principal Characters by Messrs. Brabant( Cooper, Fawcett, C. Bland, .1. Isaacs, and Tinney ; 111kies Paton, Lacy, and H. Canse; Madame Ve4trls, and Mrs. fotrenport. After which the new Piece of I . IIE SCAPF-GOAT. • ~,,, ..... . . The Clutraattni by Messrs. 13.anehard, W. Farren, Cooper, and Widows; 111 ~e. June. and A. Jone,. The Samoa Prices commenced publishing yesterday morning at five o'clock. LONDON, TUESDAY, APRIL 11, 18516. We have received the French papers of Saturday, but they contain nothing of general interest. We extract from the Courricr Francais an account of the various armaments which have been fitted out for the Pacha of Egypt in the port of Marseilles. These armaments, and the number of French officers in the service of the Pacha, are circum stances well calculated to rouse the jealousy of the people of England. The speech of the Duke of BROGLIO, in the sitting of the 7th of March, is said to have been the most remarkable which has yet been made on the subject of the Law of Pri mogeniture. His argument was founded on a dilemma which must have occurred to every one who read the pro visions of the law as detailed in a former paper. If the principle , upon which the law was founded were correct, be argued, the law itself ought to be rejected, " because it does nothing, absolutely nothing, to insure its existence for two minutes." If the principles are bad, on the other hand, it must be rejected of course, " because it is highly. imprudent to take poison in hopes of procuring a counter poison." The French journalists continue to hold up the Jesuits to public odium. An account is given in the Constitutionnel by which it seems they have returned to the old scheme of taking advantage of the terrors of a death-bed to procure legacies for their Society. [From the Courricr Francais of Saturday, April 81 PARIS, APRIL 7. We have uniformly announced in this journal the arms. meats making at Marseilles for the Pacha of Egypt. The Aria. torque has collected them, with some others, and has formed out of them the following table, which it is not useless to place before the public afte► the language which has been held in both Chem. bevy by the Members :—Builling at Marseilles, two large frigates of 60 guns (26 pounders); a corvette, with 26 carronsdes-24 pounders ; two corvettes of 22 guns-24 pounders ; two brigs of 16 guns-18 pounders. The house of Binal, Daniel, and Epic, hag contracted for the building of the frigates, and the Government has permitted it to take the timber required from the arsenal at Toulon, a favour not granted to our merchants even in cases of urgency. The contract for the two brigs is given to the house of Lizini Brothers, who are Greeks, but one of whom is agent to the Pacha of Egypt, and was arrested at Syra, and owed his safety only to the protection of the Commander of the French squadron itt the Levant. The Government, besides the timber for building the two frigates, has furnished workmen, shipwrights, and caulkers. The builder is the Chevalier Cerisi, a relation of M. de Cler mont Tonnerre. He has obtained leave of absence for a year, and he has received orders from the Ministry to go to Marseilles to give the plans and direct the building. The inspector of the works is an old Captain of the Royal Navy. The French General Livron has been at Marseilles ever since the 22d of March : he went to be present at the launching ot one of the corvettes, which took place on the 211. A second corvette will be launched in a fortnight ; and the other vessels on the stocks will be entirely finished by the 21st of August. The two first will be at Toulon the 15th ; to be thence taken to Alexandria, in Egypt, by French crews, taken for French merchantmen, under the French flag, and they will be convoyed by a ship of the royal navy. These ships an to be armed in Egypt. General Livron has engaged several French officers : he has also engaged many musicians, who, with the officers, are to accompany him to Egypt. Can we be surprised, after this, that a report has been spread that a good number of officers and soldiers of the French artillery have been embarked, without being made acquainted with their destination, and that they have been conveyed to Egypt? Such is the strict neutrality observed 1 No permission could be obtained to build a ship at Marseilles for the Greeks. After these facts, it is surely wrong to accuse the Ministry of favouring the Crescent against the Cross, and foreigh policy against French policy. ',From the Conslitatioxtrell NAPLES, 17th /41Ancu. The public but been anxious for some time about the health of the King and Queen. The following official bulletin has 'been published this morning. • "The King was attacked on•the 13th of this month by a ca. tatvhal fever. His Majesty continues to be in a state of sensible amelioration. The fever still diminishes. " The Queen, not having been able to attend the spiritual set. vice which was celebrated today, in the royal ehypel, on account of the morbillo which she laboured under, her Majesty, actuated by those sentiments of Christian piety which she has in common with her aupst husband, was pleased to perform her religious duties in her private oratory." Fatxxctt FONDS.—PARII, APRIL 8 —Five per Cents., 97f. 20c.; Three per Cents., 66t. dc. ; Bank Stoat 2,055 f. t Bente. de Naples, 711. Mc.; Royal Spanish Loan, 50ef--Exehange on London, one month, 23f. 88c.; Three ditto, 23f. 40c.—Coatre Antkenfigitc. In the Jeerer! des Debuts of Saturday, a supplemental folio Ie devoted to the speech of M. de Sr. CAICQ on the five trade system. The following is the substance of his observations. It was agreed, he observes, that the agricul twill and manufacturing labour or the country. ought to find a certain protection, and estarnarcommerce a certain In the lawo. The swami arrntrente for free trade may be reduce lto three propositions :—lst. France as :ft excess of agricultural and manufacture 1 produce; to whom can these be sold if she be not permitted to make pur. Awe Prohibitions give rise to reprisals, and re.. phials counteract the good effects which might b e ex . pected from prohibitions. 3d. Excessive prohibitions create menop , i:ies, anti monopolies prevent improve ment, at die came time that they ruin the consumer. He observed, in regard to the first argument, that the oily cases to which it could apply were those of corn and wine. In the former, Prance could not afford that article at so cheap a rate as many other countries, and even in the cas e of wine, there were many substitutes which renderesi.the advantages of French wines in cheapness of little impor tance. He maintained that reprisals on the part of Eng lima were little to be dreaded, u the articles which France tkernished to England were articles of luxury, nor likely to have a large sale; while the enormous quantity o f cottons which England exported would render the balance in her favour on the free trade system extremely confider. able, and very injurious to Prance. On the third head, that of monopolies and their tendency to improvement, Ls remarked, that a trade confined to 30 millions of peopl e could scarcely be considered in the light of a moccpo:y, and that England had carried her manufactures to a inch degree of perfection while under the exclusive system. lie concluded by observing that this country had not even now abandoned the exclusive system entirely; but still conti nued her ditties to such an amount as would place her own manufactureni on a level with foreigners. In considering this subject we mnat agree to a certain extent with the observations of the French Deputy. There must be regulations for commerce. Liberty of trade, like personal liberty, must be guarded and modified by certain restrictions, which are necessary to prevent the liberty of one individual from interfering with the interest of another, and consequently no trade is to be permitted which can prove injurious to our fellow-citizens, without securing a public advantage sufficient to counterbalance their private loss. Those who argue for a trade absolutely free, argue there fore for a sort of commercial anarchy, and reason as if i: were proper to reduce man back to a state of war, which . according to HOBBES, was the state of nature in which all laws had their origin; for the principles of morality and those of commercial policy have equally their basis in the nature of things, and are equally secured by mutual actions and re-actions. After admitting this, however, we are very far from going the lengths of our French reasoner. IVe admit that trade must be restricted where its freedom would be incompatible with the interests of a portion of the public, if the paramount consideration of the public good did not outweigh private interest. Freedom of trade, in the abstract, is as much the right of every run as personal liberty and security; and to force a man to purchase only at particular marts is at once an infringe. ment of his rights of liberty and of property. As to the other arguments in favour of a qualified freedom of trade, the abstract which M. Dc Sr. CRICQ has given is an ex tremely fair compendium of them ; but he forgets one most important consideration. Industry is often forced into channels by restriction, to which the country pre sents peculiar obstacles, and in consequence of this a vast capital is swallowed up in manufacturing at home what could have been obtained abroad at an expense compara tively trifling. All this capital is of course uithdrawn from those branches in which it would have been most benefi cial, and the community sustains a loss equal to the diffe rence between the price at which the goods manefactured could have been imported, and the price at which they are actually sold. Since it is evident that the price at which they must he sold, must be made sufficiently high to com pensate the manufacturer for withdrawing his capital from other branches. The capital being withdrawn from more productive branches, all the produce which could %aro been raised in these branches would necessarily be lost to time country. Our readers will perceive by the proceedings in Parlia ment last night, that upon the Civil List Report being brought up, and on the motion that the resolution for 5000/. per annum be settfed on the President of the Board of Trade being read, the House divided, and the preposi tion was carried by a majority of eleven; upon which Mr. CANNING observed, that although technically speaking the majority expressed the opinion of the House, still with such a division he would not persevere. As a matter of principle he regretted being obliged to do so. A resolution was subsequently passed, attaching 2000/. per annum to the office of President of the Board of Trade, which, with the emoluments of the Treasurer of the Navy, make up an in collie of .5000/. a year between the two appointments which are annexed in the person of Mr. liessl9so sr. itie, in common with the Right Hon. Secretary, lament that the opinion of the Legislature was not more unequivocally expressed regarding a measure which we consider sound in principle, and which could never have bePti carried at a more suitable period than the present. The most de termined opponents of Mr. 11179 K issos are ready to admit that his zeal and industry in office are unprecedented, and bad we not felt convinced of the utility of the grant. we should have been inclined to have conceded largely fee the purpose of offering a boon to a Minister who has la boured so sedulously, and acted so firmly, in the service of his country. As it is, however, we think the Ministers have done wisely in abandoning the motion, notwithstand ing they laid a majority. This ciranmstance is an addi tional proof, if one were wanting, of the independence of the House of Commons, and falsifies the assertions of the annual Parliament advocates, that the Legislature is under the control of the Crown. However this, like all preceding facts of a similar nature, which every Session produces, will pus unheeded by these candid and sapient State Physicians, and we shall hear again, berm many months are over our heads, Palace-yard echoing with the corruption of Parliament. and that the Minister can buy every Member in either House, with the exception of the few upright patriots who figure on the Covent Gartlenhu , . ,tings, and are eloquent at the windows of the King . Arms Tavern. CITY, MONDAY I:VVNIMG. The English Stock Market has fully maintained Satur day's improvement. Consols opened at 793, but they soon rose to 804; however, they declined from that price, and finally closed at 791 I. This depression may be attributed principally to the paucity of business, in consequence of brokers and jobbers being so much engaged in mat iat 111) their accounts for the settling day, that they bad no time for attending to general business. Exchequer Dills were 7s. 61. premium, and India Bonds 7s. Gs. premium. Bank Stock was 2021 20 4, and the Yew Four per Cents. 961. In the Foreign Market quotations continued stationam Colombian Bonds were 46 4, Mexican Six per Cents, 6311 , and Peruvian Beads 264 9. Greek Bonds were under sr vere depression: notwithstanding the statefitent of a Liver: pool Journal that Lord COCIRRANE had arrived at Nark di Romania, they was reported to-day at 141 jr. Butr' iln Bonds were 801. In Spanish DO transactions took Ow wwsmnowssr"""'"' . yesterday daimamial tam received at the Foreign OS" from the British Ambseadoe at Paris. • I