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.=but not unconstitutional objections to the mess 'Pure. 'He should not oppose the first reading, but it was his intention to do so at every future Leave was then given. and the Bill ordered to he brought Us by Lord Joint RUSig LI., Mr. and Lord NostissllY• 4.4/1041SsteTIOSIS !AT' ESTE& *- • : ..Boasuustaist he had in his hand • Peei• 'Sea t . which he felt it his duty, as a Member of PSpjiarmeNt... to presewt to. the Home: :'Hielless'vo- - ` olele toe vouch for.the correctuess of the facts •dis. '044 itl it, but he could pledge liiassekf that dhe hpliaage of it was respect lot, It was. Irma oo.Us pitstliiiil of the game of Thomas. Bedford, who vows ewit at the.unforisitaielv .nteet. • INfiaMancheater.pit the 16,1 i August. He,stated - 119'he was not a party to any tloog- illegal ierlhe roceediUge, if,agy. thing illegal there was, but was 1440 in the esercise of the right of preparing • Vttiiion, when he was interrupted in the slimmer already sufficiently described. lle narrated •the • charge of the yeomanry, and allege 4 that be wits • .given by them into au enclosed place, from which 411'imise was prevented, by means of logs of timber 14 4 04 there, end that while . in that place he was '‘Vvirely wounded with a sword, by u Wall of the Vairie of Oliver, who separated his shoulder blade, tint penetrated deeply into his hack, by the w. The Petitioner prated the House to take iheciicunistanices of his cute into consideration, and 'Jerald him suitable relief, since lie had not beeu able sioObtain it elsewhere, because the local Magistrates 'hart refused his depositions. The Petition was mad. ordered to lie on the table, and he printed. iJr e LANBTON presented n similar Petition from rn individual of the name of Thomas Booker. also au attendant at the Manchester meeting. He al leged, that he was pursued down a lane by a sol dier, whims he brlieveno belong to the 88th regi- Meng. who inflicted a wound in his belly ; and that to endeavouring to escape Gout him, he received . onotner wound from another person, under the ef •fects of both which he was for a length of time la bouriug, and as he had received no indemnifica tion, he threw himself oil the consideratiou of the Hews.. Head. and ordered to lie on the table. Mr. 1,A111.111T011 aid, abet he was now compelled to trouble the House with a few observations or: ■ subjeCt rather of• personal iinture—hut as the tont. ter had been originally mentioned in the House by the Noble Lord (Castlereagh), he hoped the House wotitill favour him with its attention a few minutes. The Noble Lord had stated ■ few nights ago ti•st ". 11,, Prr 600 .• denominated, he believed, classineo, had beet' &dinged front his employ in the coolly rd• Durham, by !Ailment. Ile (Alt. Lambton) had written to the country for information by return of and had remised an answer this day. The Hon. Gentleman their read as extract, in which the writer assured him that no radical or clansman had 'Men dismissed from ht. einployinent—Meurl— his artoisishment how such reports got into tr:i,•ulatiuu.—and remarked, that as the term for ~* l / 1 1 1t the workmen had been engaged did not ex piie till April, none of them could have been tits inisred, even if a 11141)04111011 to that effect were was very glad, lie continued. to fie able to make this comnsiinicati in the House, he s'.lllllC, lathe:oho., be would have looked on the hull vdual to whom he intrusted the management of his vilairs in that county in the mining way to be guilty or rery serious misconduct. . • _ Sir ft WILSON pre-sewed a similar Petition from • person canted Thomas Barlow, who alleged, that voirliant any provocation, or receiving any indica tion of the violence. he was suddenly attacked by • corps of }eomasiry—that he entreated the same to,bearance which they would exercise towards an v.:etity in the field of battle—that lie was answered ".; 1 11 n severe blow ma the heed—and that having no weapon he parried off another Weer directed against 1•• m with his arm. He therefore implored the mercy of the Howie. _ _ The Petition wee reed, laid en the table, and ordered to be piloted. MALT DITTIES. . . . A message from the Lords ■unosneed that their Loaf+hitrs had ogrerd to the Malt Duties Bill for IVO, without ally aniendmettis. OLDHAM INQUEST. Sir FRANCIS Buapitrr presented a Petition from Robert Lees, the father of John Lees, who 41:ed in consequence of the wounds lie had received wt the Mancheater meeting, and was the subject of the far-famed inqoest at Oldham. It set forth the various facts which have so repeatedly come under t 1 r induce of the public. relative to the tramiaciions tlw of August. the unsuccessful application 1., the litisg's Bench, the subeerineat conduct of ti.e Coroner, fitc. and prayed that the House would in its wisdom grant that redress which was not to be ototaintil elsewhere. Mr. V. BLAIIM said, that the Petitioners had not stated tl at they had tried all possible means of redresi tilreo here, which they ought to have done before corning to the bar of the House. Mr. BCOUGIUM said, on behalf of the Peti tioners, that the Hon. Gentleman was guile mu— oaken. The Hun. and Learned Gentleman then complained in warm language of ife conduct ul she Coroner, after the dismissal of the rule bc the ii.„eh Bench. in jumping at the excuse of the oiegularity of his own proceedings, to hush up iu swirl. tie should always speak respectfully of Ci , urts of Justice. when they deserved it. but *.f!rti lie saw such collusion, or what so strongly bore the appearance of collusion in their pro eraniings. he did lint thick they merited it.— Ile did taut approve of the trantacriono of the 16th A 'most at !Manchester, but st:II less could be ap •t• •1.11 , • of the transactions wince' followed that day. '1 ter fist of Meese was the uoilappy lability; and in se%erig the expression he meseet blame to nobody, of the rejection of the bills of indicttnetit by the Wand Jury of Lancaster. If the result had been that they returned bills which would have come to issue before a Jury and a regular Judge of the lied. then the public mind might hive been allay eel upon the matter. Uoforturnetely this course was ore: adopted. Neither were the proceedings before the Mar.cliester Magistrates calculated to allay the fevers'', feeling—still less was the adjournment of ttre'erequest at Oldham. The proceedings which uriherturostely followed the *vents of the 16th of .gust crowned every thing...and created a feeling wisecio, if riot irremediable, was at least most wafer turret.. It Created, be feared. a breach between the ~'• - rte.....,.. 'constituted authorities and the people. *inch would. take ilium tinu!*heal..,Ths,Hqrs. Mrpher (Mr. 81akt,... . )01"finstonotetkthat *teat euisualtsralbtiwo prevai.upon . t hi s ju hi r se—so indeed, onfortu natrly., there did.. ilt had been sajd elsewhere that. 100,000 men were up in arms in the narrow country between the Tyne and Weir. This number, con diftering-the-pinielatinn of that part of the country, was extraordinary ; it most have included men, women, and children. It had been said, in a place *IOW ha dared riot name, but where a proteet was lately entered (the Ware of -Lords) that 16,000 colliers were is arms in Nest part of the country. By way. of .being more partieuler as to the fact, another personage who heard the assertion fixed the numbers at 16.600. They theft followed each other in a happy responsive tone upon the extent as well as danger of this armed body ; yet the Mem ber for Newcastle (Sir NI. Milky) strewed the im possibility of the correctness of this statement from his demonstration of the state of the male popula tion in the particular spot. And again, his Hon. Friend, the Member fur Durham (Mr. lambtoti), clearly proved that none of his colliers (from 1 to 2,000 in number) had arms at all. Really this avidity to create alarm was moat extraordinary—it reminded hint of the teen lines in udibrastie verse— " Cutts, Inc pleasure is as great, In being cheated as to cheat." Mr. V. BLAKE explained. Mr. RICHARD MARTIN said, he should have called the Hun. Nlrmber to order, if be meant to be strict in point of form, fur travelling so much out of ille question. He begged to ask the Gen tletuen opposite one question, and it was—what proceedings they meant to (aural on this Petition' If any desire were expressed to print it, he must protest against the gratification of that desire. He would remonstrate against the practice of print ing of two or three hundred editious of these Pe titions at the public expense. If they must be printed, let a subscription be set on foot by the Gentlemen opposite, to give them cheap circula ttuit.—(4 laugh.) The Petition was then laid on the table. Sir F. BURDRTT, now that the Petition was laid on the table, moved that it be printed. Mr. R. MARTIN again rose and said, he offered himself to the !louse as the protector of the public revenue.—(.4 Pregh.J—lle would never consent to have the public money squandered away in this manner. The Gentlemen opposite were deter. missed enough against the expense of two Lords of the Admiralty, and yet they had no abjection in I ill% petitions of this sort to incur au expense lour times as much as the additional Admiralty amount. A great noise had been often made about the expense if inserting Government Proclama tions in the newspapers, and Set thousands were to be spent upou the !multi% of this vague non sensical stuff. The Petition was ordered to be printed. IRISH ELECTION BILL. Mr. WYNN brought in his Bill for amending a verbal error in the Irish Election Bill passed 11114 Session. 'I hr Bill was read a first and second time, order• cd to hr committed to•morraw, and printed. BARNSTAPLE ELECTION. Mr. WYNN brought up the Report of the COM. mittee appointed to inspect the Ll/11111' Journals on the Barnstaple Election. The Report was kid on the table, end the issuing of the writ for the Borough of Barnstaple was fur ther postponed until the 15th February. Ou the motion of Mr. L. FOSTER, an humble Address to his Royal 1-I,gliness the Prince Regent was ordered, for u copy of the Seventh' Report of the Committee of inquiry into the fees of the Ec clesiastical Courts in Ireland. MR. OWEN'S PLAN. Sir WM. DE I . 7II,ESPIONY, in proposing to the House the consideration of Mr. Owen's Plan, hoped to receive from the Members of his Niajerly's Govei ument the same spirit of conciliation which they had *hewn oil Temlay night. Ile rose on the present occasion not only with considerable em barrassment, but with real indisposition, he therefore hoped he should receive the indulgence of the House.—(/leer, /,ear.)—He had hoped, in deed, that sonic Member more conversant with Parliamentary discussion would have stepped for ward on this occasion to be the advocate of the dis. tressed poor, and the mover of en investigation into the merits of a plan intended for their amelioration. Nothing but a warm anxiety fr the benefit of his fellow-creatures, and a wish to enlarge their com forts, so far as it was in his power to du so, prompted bins to snake the present motion.—( Hear, hear.) — This was tsot a question of party, but one of huma nity ; lie flattered himself therefore that both sides of the House would unite, anti by a common effort adopt a spirit which would be the harbinger of bet ter time.. The increused sod increasing evil of pauperism demanded the immediate attention and interposition of the Legislature. Poverty was the parent of wretchedness, and wretchedness was the nurse of discontent, which was often the forerunner of commotion, and not unfrequeutly of revolution. These evils ought surely to be• guarded against. There were now many thousands, perhaps millions. of families in this empire almost totally destitute of the siecesiaries of life ; yet the soil on which they lived, if living it could be called, was fertile, anti the skill and industry of the people proverbial. Why then not, by the adoption of a comprehen sive plan, give relief to all, particularly when this could be done without doing harm to any ? It was the universal cry, both within and without the House. that something should if possible be done to relieve the working classes. Here then was that • possibility developed. The higher classes must condescend to Investigate the misery of the lower— that House must do so—if they did not, he o.ould predict that 'his osier happy country must be in volved, at no distant period, in eventual ruin. He had to propose a plan, many parts of which, he thought, were calculated to• avert such wit tell ; it demanded minute investigation and the closest scrutiny ; the proprietors of it eagerly sought both, and were ready to demonstrate its utility. That ;louse had fur years been prodigal of an itu inclose espeoditure. lie might say fur the destruction of cosisikomil ; would it now turn away from the cousiderutiosi of a plan fur their salvation ? Let not his plan be called, without inguir.y. visionary; or if there were airy disposed so to describe it, let them come forwaid with their own plan to relieve the poor, and it should hate iris support. The real ..~.^ = - -4 0 r 4 EigrA fact was, that the working Classes could not contend against the increased powers of mechanises; one of three mutts insist therefore follow:—first, the powers of tueelositism must be considerably Jinn isished, or numbers of wretched people must perish for want of etnpleyment ; secondly, some odva...- tageows occupation most be futiod to relieve their necessitie., or the meclinsiiral power. must be made subservient to their fibula; thirdly, a oroxlerate change, ameliorating their condition step by step, must be adopted, or the country will he exposed to an abrupt and momeutons change, brought about by folly or ignorance, and perhaps eisiliiig in revo lution. At present the truettsployed classes of the poor lived to and consumed a part of the labours of the indlistriotos.—(llear. They not only lived in that manner, but they en gendered and communicated the contagion of bad habits, and became in the end pests in tascirtY. Prevention wall the great merit of Mr. o.ven . 's plan; early education, rod the imprinting ',post the tender mind the seeds of virtue, were the means by which this great ohject was to be attained. lie never should forget his visit to New LIM', k. and . what moat struck his mind there was the system of infant education. It commenced at the early age of two years, and he saw upon a plat of play. ground several hundred little children indulging in play, and exhibiting to each other all the iotered ing marks of mutual affection. The whole re my of New Lanark was striking—old and young went . to work with alacrity, and sheeted the Most earliest desire to appear industrious a n d cheerful. The worthy Baronet then read two letters, which strongly recommended the adoption of Mr. Owers's plau— one of them was from the Bishoo of Chester. which pointed out the necessity of making the experiment tirtin a small scale, and urged the propriety of its being tried by parochial arrangements , . fie could lint suppose that his Majesty's Mihisters would re fuse to institute inquiry for such a ',orlon.e as he now proposed. if the whole plan %vete tint ap proved mu a Committer, perhaps part, 4.1 it may be deemed worthy of trial. There sus ho (Loser in the forest from which the bee could out cull some honey, send even if any one part were ailopi.,4l, 'he labour of a Committee would be repaid. Mr. Owens plan consisted of the Implication of a number of acientihe arratigeineuts in the various cl.-,es lit she poor, SO as to enable them, by a caminuiaty of ears-- host, to obtain ailtquute support, more particulaily in spade cultivation. This had been tried with (WS by Mr. Fallon at Newcastle. Whro Adam Smith wrote his Treatise on the Wealth of Notions. the great object was to increase the wealth of Ate country—that had. since Adam Smith's flume, to creased beyond till expectation. so that it be. came actually necessary to reorganize and re. model the system of the poor. to prevent theta from enduring all the horrors of waist. Both Isti inanity and policy required ibis revision, anti Ire hoped the Muse would nut turn a deaf ear to his tootigh, which was for the spimiutment of a Comtnittee to impoire into the nature of the Plan of Robert Owen, E•quirr. and to report thereon, how far Ilse whole or any part of it was calculated to ameliorate the condition of the poor, or edict bent ticial employment for them, by an application I.r sums from the p'out's Rates, to render available their industry. Lord A. fl•mtt.Tox, in seconding this motion. said he did so because he had been so long accus. loomed to see the operation of Mr. Owen's plan. and because he knew the distressed stale of the surrounding poor in Lanarkshire, awl that they looked to the examination of this plan, us present ing n foundation for their relief. In seconding this inosion, lie begged not In hr considered as support. log the whole system of ilr. Owen in its hill ex tent. He knew that a strong opinion prevailed upon that point. All he should require wus, au ii.qiiiry which might unfold the tilsiis that were to be submitted to a Committee, and thew how fir any of throb were urscocable, and calculated to give transtrot rt-litl to the !looter classes. The Noble Lord then gave the ltigh..t.t Character to the arrangenienta of Mr. Owen, at New Lanark. and spoke in the warmest terms of the philanthrocy of that geollenuot. He repeated, that in supporting this motion, he did so for the sake of the feeling of the countiy, and did lint mean to pleilee hitp self to any pail of the plan, except that which could hr demonstrated as tifisolOte ly practica!,:e. Mr. BROUGHAM rose thus rainy tit state his opinion on this iiiiportaiit stlbjeCt. Were the House called nu at once to embark in the gene. nil plan of Nit. Owen, he should without lic.itation recommend them to shut their rats against it ; this would have been a dauger which It would have beets imperative Upon Own' to avoid ; but there wa4 at ill doodler to steer clear from—they niu•t take care in a period of distress and alarm, alien lei twiny fancies and idle theories were abroad, to take especial care not to give sanction to wild and getirrid plans. which could only rod in mortification and disappointment. To do so would dimini s h their power of usefulness, and prevent them Irons giving effect to a sound good plan, if such should c before them. The most unsubstantial port of Mr. Owen's plan was his conviction of having the means to giie lull support to a redundant potation. In that he wholly differed Irons hint. Ile thought the leading cause of the present Mr tress was the excess of population. On this sub ject the worst and most insisted part of the public press had done a west deal by sophistry and nth. directed ingenuity, i,nd by the most perverse and active means, to unhinge the public mind, and create in it a hostile letting towards some of the wisest. tile most humane, and benevolent iudtei duals, whose polity was described us being cruel and hard-hearted. The west evil was 1111 iiivredi.e of population beyond the demand for l.il this respect interinaniages were entitled to :tritons consideratioil. where tte parties were in a viiii:otiosi ill suited to the imenitehmice of a !Molly. It al , uld be well If this forethought cook' be eXeici.ed ow such occasions. Fir could not vent ure to p ro p ose any remedy for this evil; to attempt it would toot only be to excite a great degree of hostility against the individual, but also to diiiiiiiish his power of u.eluliseas. He differed fa.) (trio trout Mr. Owen's plats of establishing a c 'tonality of properly, and was fully convinced it would create a greater evil than that which it was his oliject to remedy. Mr. Owen altogether lowed the law of population, owl it wus huts- risible in die slightest degree to convince him of the eri . be of Ws opinion. Ile agreed very much iii parts of the details of the plan, more particularly lit the system of educating 'mil training young children of the tenderest age. The adoption of ibis ;Hirt of the plan, he thought, would he emenently useful ; hut he would tint convent to support it tlitungli the I means of public grinds. He had no doubt the ! lest weans of promoting such ass object would be by the nil of private benevolence. which was always happily exercised to this country, whenever the appeal %vita made with real end just cause. To take away infant children from their parents, merely to enable the latter to avail theinselveg of work. w as ro itself as 411- pm-hint step. lie meant merely 111111 t 1 place should tie provided in nhicli those cl , thlreo could lie placed merely for care-eke, and 11411 1 ., ,r fund and clusiniig, etiriog the hums of wellt of the parent. This nimbi afford no stimulus to the idleness of the parent, hut would give the relief which would en. able many parents to contribute in a coasoil. ra bl e degree to their support. 1 ills dl r. Omen's plan was calculated to ell-ct—it did hot, like the plan in Switzerland. which lie i,ad t 14rwlitre ii scribed, sever the parent from the child, bit left the, l atter to exhibit to the former the risits4 advantages of culture and training which piac!icrille exlidiiteii the great advaittages of education. This part of Mr. Owen's plan, thererre, did not I,,se the reflex of the improvement of the parrot, by the superior developetneut of the good habits of :lie child. This pl an was stow its a course of adoption at • Brewer's.greirn. Westminster, under the patron age of wrensl public characters. However objectionable was the propositims to apply the general plans and theories of Me. Owen to the tams of common life, in the unqualified manure in which he propounded them, no tribute could be too high for the character and motives of the indi• • lie inad known Mr. Owen for • long time: he was as Worst, as simple. and as amiable n in.. as ever existed. lie had one quality, in lwrticular, which could wirer be too much admired—be was the best-tesopeted NOM opals earth, and though a projector, he was Most liberal and tolerant to Isis opponeatta, he heard their opinions without pas. Mon. and evinced all the feelings of the kindest heart that ever belonged to roan ; its conver 'Aim, h e satisfied those with whom be spoke. that lhr promutiou of truth. and the benefit of mankind, alone actuated him ; and as be was 'firefly with. out gall,- an was be quite free from that feverish irri tation which pre ctors generally evinced when flowered in their favourite pursuits. Mr. Often was. on the whole.otie of the best and most pacific per sona in sociely.—/ /Afar, /oar.)-14 had. with his usual kindness,. given the nitwit establialsoirof to which he (Mr.,. Brougham) alluded, the valuable mill of a auperiiiiciiilasit, in every way qualified for the trust. The great object in all these spe culations was to demmotrate their practical utility, and lie fully concurred in the great advantage which the couutry must derive from the improved mode of educating the children of the poor. The benefit or Dame Schools (as they were called) is this respect was great. and had beets felt its every pert of the conntry in the most striking manner. With reference to the system of spade husbandry. be ass not a suelcietit agriculturalist to pronounce an 00111011 Upon it. Let it be tried. In admitting the value of mete of the details. he wished parti• cularly to guard himself against being supposed to go the length of advocating wild and impracticable doctrine*. There was some, perhaps. touch good, in Mr. Owen's plan, and the reason why be should vote for a Committee was, that an opportouity be afforded of separating the good front the iinpractsce hie in the whole range of the plan. The CHAXCILLOR of the Est-um:ma heartily coneitireil in the opinion of Ike Hon. and Learned Gentleman, that all experiments of this kind ought to be made upon a limited basis, mill by private aid. It was the boast of this country, that no questions of benevolence. men of every political seeitiment united, and forgetting the minor distinctions of party, alone manifested a disposition to promote the common welfare. He was ready to concur in the compliments paid to the character and motives of Mr. Owen. and to admit the value of his establish meld. but he could Dever consent to give the sanc tion and authority of Parliament to the general ap plication of a plan which he considered visionary, delusive, and is the highest degree dangerous.— lo 1817 there were two tact-tinge held in the me tropolis ou the subject of Mr. Owen's plan—one held ms the 13th August, 1817. another oil the 21st of August. where Mr. Owen was suffered to gu into a detail of hie principles and views. In his speech on that occasion he Paul. that the world had been in a state of error, crime. and misery, but the hoods that held it so were likely to be broken asunder. He sail, that the causes of the present unhappiness were the existence of gross errors in the fundamental notions of every religion; that he was not of the religion of the country, or of any other religion that was ever yet thought of its the world. lie next stated his political schemes; it appeared to him that the intervals or the governors have been ever opposed to the interests of the governed ; that law sod placation were the greet evils and curse of society. t He (Ilse Chancellor of the Exchequer) hail every respect fur the heneyslence of Mr. Owen, but the Motion could not be adopted by that House with. out giving countenance to theories which were as wild as they were dangerous. At the cneeting of the 21.1 of August, where the lion. Alderman ttrposite (Waldman) was present, it was finally held that there was tin effectual remedy for the dis. tresses of the people but in a reform of the represen. talon of the people.--(A laugh.)--Thus with some permits, no matter what project might be started, universal suffrage was the grand psonces Gar the relief of the country. Whilst he fell him self hound to oppose the 'notion. lie yet welshd be sorry to see rejected what was really useful and pr a ctic a l iu 111 r . thveri's plats; whatever of it was useful the couotry would adopt without the inter feitoce of that House. The plan of education. as described by the Ibin. and Learned Gentleman (Mr. Brougham) would go on. and would be beat supported by the public benevolence. A meeting woo held iii the present year on the subject of Mr. Owen's play, when s public subscription was set on loot ; and though the lion. Baronet contributed (4 great proof of the sincerity of his i•uppori), the polio: welt. not, however, PO 0 81101111 C ; and in London. the twat of so tuueli wealth and liberality. there acre, lie believed. but very few subscriptions, a proof that the public feeling did not approve of the plats itself. Willing as he was to applaud the sincerity of the now. Baronet, he with equal sincerity would that he would not support a plan founded en'. speech which declared, that all religious were false, and that nil governments were had. Mr. Jones Sstiyii , alter paying a 11;gli tribute to the worth rod benevolence of Mr. Owen, said that he could slot agree with the Right Hon. Gentleman, that because Mr. Owen lurid relietuus oninions that were false, that therefore his plan should fee reject• ed oltogether. His plan had been acted on fo r 4 years, his establishment at Lanark had flounshed. and during that time there was not one s o lit ary i n . stance of an individual having been Itpunt,lit 1,4 4 , • Magistrate charged with a crime. Of what ss. tablishosent, of whit society could . ann . said ? He put it then to the Hons., wi trt h, oughtf a nf i : r i ? n er' o o t be he listened w ai l ig r i e s h r i t i e t e ll i t i wia e h d l e ; ,c t e r h ff s u , i l l se c e4 h iit o r u n ;i ri e r I : l, l . l: . ot et r (t e i ts- -: on pus to remove the turbulent awl disagreeable passions incident to childhood. and it was difficult for our man to are the youth under his care without 'riot ing that his sons had the benefit of a similar ruts'. cation. Such, certainly, was his feeling. If * Committee were granted to the Hose. Barnett, it did not appear to him necessary to enter on the question of the Poor Laws. but it would be ne cessary to hike into cousideration 11:e state of the present flostress—and was that. he s.ked, an ohjec to the motion ? Were the Right Host. G ra _ !lentil' or his colleagoes prepared to go into any inquiry on the state of the (poor? If they were not, they ought not to oppose a plots. Why should they oontose nn itujoiry which might be atlrooded %wit salutary effects? It was a softie( t of deep :ll terest, and they ought not to win until they he came afraid to loek at it, and unable to meet it. The Cita Nati.i.oa of the EICIICQUER expl4ined. Eh did nut opinio , the mono., bec.uote of the F.-l!. 000 or want of reit : two of Air. (Nei), lint lore:plot hie plan was founded on ininCipirl SUbVlrilliVC of religion tool of I.:overnment. Mr. lltcanno said, that the plan of Mr. Owen was divided solo two parts; of the first pint, Owen had a itrtat deal of experience, and deserved a past ,deal stf attention ; the other part mere speculation. The means of education adopt ed by . Mr. Owen were means which might he inlep4d by large establishments, lint it was not right mproper far Government to interfere its them. That part of the plan which he called speculative. was opposed to all the principles of political ecumas my. He never could think that machutiery do mischief roan; country, either in its immediate orits permanent effect. Machinery, indeed, its of e way. might he carried ion tar, that is, -where it is employed is the manufacture of a particular commo dity. as fur instance, in the manufacture of colt, it but where the individual extended it t oo woul d not repay him, sod he would be soon obliged no re dace it, or employ it in soother channel. Indeed, Mr. Owen himself, though an enemy to inschinery, now proposed an improvement in it—he a tithed toeet rid of horses at the plough, and to substitute spade husbandry ; his object was to increase the whole produce of the country, but if machinery tended more than any other menus to increase that produce. in that ease it was clear that the employment of machinery was useful to society. Machinery re quired neither clothes nor food, whilst the use of it far beyond sill other means produced an isicrea , e of produce. Though he did not agree with Mr. Owen its his general principles, still he was in favour of a Committee. Part of the plan recommended by Mr. Owen was for the increase of the growth of corn ; that, in itself, was a question of great im portance; and if the facts were true on which his plan was founded. and there appeared to Into ?pi:rm./heir evidence, he thought the thing might be adopted with great advantage. As a general princi ple he was not in favour of Government interfering in objects which individual, alone should carry into effect; but though Government ought not to in terfere, it might give great information, and there fore he was in favour of any parliamentary inquiry which would tend to bring facts before the public. and to slew the points where the public interest lay. Such inquirier would be always attended with bene ficial effects. for where men saw the path of their interests, they would not be slow in porsuiug it. lie thought, therefore, that thought it ought to be left to every man to attend in his own manner to his own affairs, vet that it was the first duty of Go vernment to give information to the people on any branch of commerce or of agriculture ; where Go vernment would point out the best plats to he adopt ed, the people would be always found to run eagerly into it. As to the cartes of the present dustiest., lie 'night be allowed to soy a few words. It appeared to him that the distress of the country proceeded frogs snore causes than one—first, as to population. It was a principle with him that capital and popula tion regulated wages; when the population in creased, it was therefore necessary to increase capi tal. lie heard it stated the other night, that for the purpose of employing the poor. new road, should he made. and public works should be un dertaken; but these works could not be carried on without the employment of capital. It appeared to him that without this, solid foundation, they would only create misery on the one hand, without atlindiug relief on the other. The cause of the distress was principally the insufficiency of ca punt, and the iusufficiency of capital might he accounted for its various ways, for which Govern ment in some instances was not to blame. Suppose a comity of great population, of large capital, anti with it limited soil—the profits of capital in such is country were lower than in a country wine', had not these advantage., and of course cainf..t would be sent out of a country where the loroMt% were low, to be employed sit a country wheie tit.- profits were high. But men wished to have their property under their own eyes, and fur the purpose, of convemeoce and security, they were its general inclined to remain with their capital, even though they received but *mall profits; but recordin g as gOrrrIMICMI became unproved in their institutions, alid according as the security of the foreign country increased, new motives arose for rending capital away from the place where profits were low, to rut ploy it in that country where the profit, set rr high. Such were site causes that attracted capital nut or this country. The loos of that capital caused the loss of employment, and the people were in conse quence reduced to distress. But what steps could he taken to prevent this mischief ?—what means could be taken to present prolitartellt ben% lower in this' 4.* , 10.4k. vi 6 P "I