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the privile;e Q. Has the Commander4u-Chit alf recommending Soma ?—A. N.. Q. (By a Member.) Does the recommendation af paymasters originate with the Colonel of the re iritnent ?—A. I understand it rests with tile Culo tte!. He rucesumends, and the Secretary at Win looks afterward. to thst ,ccutity. 4. (By Calomel W coon). Is there not an exi,t leg regulation, prohibiting the sale of paymaster ' ships ?—A. So I understood. Q. (By a Member). Do you personally know Lieutenant Carter f—A. No, 1 do not. Q. Do you know, wilco he received Ins commis sion, whether he was Properly qualified I cannot tell. Q. Du you know whether the ict)ina,ter's ap poiutiaent, in which Hampden was etnicerord, took place before ur after General Fitzputrok wet Se cretory at War?—A, It wai iit)out that tiny. Q. Wu it in Septetni.er 1807 or 1806 I .mot tell, without re& race :o the War (Afire. ... 1. (By the FfECILLTAILY at IVaa.) 1s not the up . 1. toi , •ot of Pay ovt,ter a matter of course, by dm i.•t:try at 11•.4r, collitorsoleil by 'obwebi nl regitut:ots, prcw,le,l the;- are found tit their ?at ousting I—A. Of coo; Ne. (I. (By (:aura! FurzrAi n.) Upon %ilia K. hdoy, nu say it is a mutter of course, on le c.nuusendation of Colonels of regiments, for the Se cretary at Wsr to uppoint Payinanters ?—A. It is a matter which dotti not belong to my department. I answered the yuestiou merely to give information to.the Cosninitu e, as liras was ill iny power, Q. (Hy Coluael Ilmuty.) hi cave the tiecretary at War did not approve the socurnv, o That o °old be the cooesscpseace?-4. A. I said I;Vote, I cau only answer according to ol • Q. Would toot this Colonel hive had another re commendation ? IVitners was ordenol to withdraws ; and, Lord G. L. Guwea spoke to order. Colonel BARRY said, he only wished to ascertain whether the Appointment rested with the Column/- flee-in-Chief or with the. Secretary at War. Lord (l. L. GOWER observed, that there wire floor four Gentlemen in the House who had filled the office of Secretary ut War, and surely it was MOM coiniwtinit for them to speak to this point, than Colonel Gordon, who said it war not within t it drlwrtn n •ut. General s-Lirrus said, it haring fallen to ins lot t appoint a Nviunstcr, as a Comm:toiling Officer, lie could i;...• isstit-mation rinpiir.xl. The Co iutiel -'he char•ieter of the person whom he means to apr, , .int, a al gives ht. name its to the Agent, who i.eus that the security its good; then the Commanding. Officer recommends, and he is appointed. • General Noittos observed, that in case city thing was wrong, the whole rerponiibility tell on the Colonel. Gull. FITZPATRICK said, there tV/I% a &moat differ ence between the sprointaient of a Puyinarier ut home, and one a. oat; they were more strict with ra) wagers alrrioad, lie in ouch car-v the rcupoHai.. Inlay .r immle beriarsty bciuK giver fell un the tic cretary of State.—.(A lead cry (V . Gel on!) Mr. WARDLE *RA dP.IIOIIs that sir. ichul• siloeld be called. • Mr. l'eacsviit. 'sighed to bring. evid.•nce to a few facts, which he thought mater.al to the auhlect hefoie the Hollow ; still, however, it the Hon. Gen tirMati weredesituus of having the testimony of Ni chols immediately, he might call him. Mr. WIMPLE suggested that he should be called hy the Host. Gentlemen upon the outer side of the House, a+ he was saw of their own Witnesses. Mr. Peat EVAL accordingly ordered that William Nichols should be called in. Alter singe time the Serjeant reported that he was not COILIC is WWII. Mr. Pcitcavar. wiAhed the Noble Lord (Lord Foil• Atone) to proceed. Ili. Lorckhip wus 1103110UB to pfeVellt confusion in the fo•llUtt', which must be ocerisiumnl by deviating front the course hitherto adopted. PcaervAt. said, that the evidence he pro posed to call was with a view to facts that retirred to former cases. Tki (NAIR/lAN stated to the Committee, that be received a letter from Nlr. Donovan, excusing hal absence ; it represented that he was too ill to appear before the House, awl that his Surgeon was ready to attest the fact if necessary—the ■polo;y was admitted. (Colonel Gordon was Own called in.) Q. (By Lonl FoLicsrome.)—Prlkluce the docil e:Lots relative to the resignation of 3lujor 'Turner. Tim Witness read several letters to the Commit tee, on the subject of this resignation ; the first was dated the sth of Sept. I nOts, and signed Green wood & Cex. It t,ited the wish of Major Turnerjto resign. Another, dated Canterbury, ttith of Au- Kladtt requested leave to sell his Commission on the terms of the regal:Mom. Another, contained a re quest from Captain Sitwell, of the ;Id Dragoons, to purchase in she roam of Major Turner, as the senior Lieutenant of the regiment declined pur chasing, and was accompanied by a note, signed Lieutenant-General Cartwright, stating, that there W. 4 no improper bamain between the too Officers iikeadv mentioned. Tho e papers were indorsed with the words . 4 putt by for the present." Another letter was dated London. the sth of Sept. 18158, us .pseil Lacy Sinclair Sutherland. It entreated his Lta) al Highoess to grant a small favour, which, she was persuaded, he would slot ni t ro to, that favour "", to prevent the exchasuge of Lieutenant Turner until March, ashe had acted unkindly to a lady of her acquaintance, and purr osed. in case he suereed ed M quitting the regiment, to senceal himself from her. It also noticed the impropriety of !iy Officer attempting to quit Isis regiment, at a time when it was under orders for essdrii kativis. Ater,Sier letter wits read by the Witness, sclres.e.l him by Lieut.-General Cartwright, Mini:suing iin that lie was uisaespisiiital with the eirentil miets of the scrape into which Capt. Turner had of himself about moose wonsu4; at the same time, t promised, that inquiry should be made and raosinitted as /00f1 as pumible ter the satisfaction r the Com inander-ierChirf. This note WAS WOW " private." This next was from the cause Of. car, written to counteract any isnrivourable itn essioa that might have been snide by the repre ',stations of Mrs. Sutherhuttl. It abaft!, that la on ' , Assts.' was he disappointed. In his grand opi- MI Of CapfaM Inner, he believed that lie I had formed a connection with an artful c•Omatt ; this ciicuinstimee, nos ever, I/10114h 1111(011111611te for himself, reword not, i.e. presumed, he any obstacle to the stiecess of his application. The next was doted Canterbury,:gth : -, epteusibev, I - , 08, it was ad dressed to Colonel Gordon, and W. •I tuner. It stet:rd that the writer %as just nilorined h, lever, that ins resignation was attempted to he prevented by a welliall ;II EtTresevistot that be halt now reA:hell his 40th year, and that never, in all that time, had his bottour been questioned, e•eept by the w ))))) xis who now attempted to impeach it. It concluded with requesting that lie might still be permitted to retain the rank of Major, is coosideratiota of his services. Another w.,s dated loswieli, Not te ns. ber 7, 1808. This letter noticed alas the endea vours of Mrs. Sinclair to prevent hisresigriation ; it further stated, that ou conning to Lima 1111 l he was desirous of an interview with Colonel Gardner, to do away the misrepresentati tttt s ; but in conse quence of the neglect of some %rurality, be did not siKcercl in his attempt. Another was frnn Colo. nel Gordon, dated November 5, 1808; it ackuow t.•.l:;•al the receipt of the former letter, and stated, that tlitargh his !loyal Highness, iii rnusequrucc or the representation of Mrs. Sinclair, lklt it his duty to delay his resignation until he could make itigniry into the cireuestatance--yet as thet inquiry had terminated honourably, he had now tie (objec tion to his request. 11•ith respect to his desire of retaining his riiiik of Major, it stated that that could not lie complied with, no it was against die practice of the army ever sitter the Duke of York presided over it. Another was dated 13eiteurber 16, 1808, signed W. 'turner, mad addressed to Colonel (ilin;ou. It stated, that the writer was preparing to lay before the public a statement of the condoct of the I)iike of York towards him. It also stater that Mrs. Sutherland had applied to him on a termer occasion, to join her in a publication against the same personage, which he refused; that Mrs S C acknowledged she had addressed the Duke of York, but did not mention whether it was in the letter addressed to the King, or iu the pamphlet of Aliijqr Hogan. It concluded with an assurance that the name of Col. Gordon should be as seldom introduced as possible in the publication. The last letter produced was the reply of Colonel Gordon to the foregoing. After acknowledging the receipt of the letter which notified the intention of publishing the conduct of the Duke of York, it proceeded to observe upon that part which pro mised to spare himself, and introduce his name as seldom as possible ; it stated that such a te , olution might have been dictated by the partiality of old acquaintance, hut it explicitly released huts from tote delicacy or obligation lit might feel upon that account, and requcsted that his name might not Ike concealed when it was connected with any public transaction, and that all his letters might he pub. lashed which referred to the afliair iu question.— ( Rcpeated cries ul hear ! hear !) Q. (By Lord Fox/meek.) Do you know Mrs. Sutherland ?—A. Yes. Q. Are Mrs. Sinclair and Mrs. Sutherland, the same person.—:t. I under.tand they are. Q. You stated on a farmer night that any inter ference of the Duke of York, with respect to exchange, would be useless ; do you mean to state the same thing with respect to resignations ? A. With great deference I do not think I stated s a y such thing. ((tear [The evideuce of the former night was then re. Jarred to.) Q. 1 )o you mean to state, that any application of the Commander-io-Chief would be more futile with respect to expediting exchanges, than any thing. else ?—A. There seems to be some miscon ception in this business ; I beg to explain—l stated that the papers upon those subjects arc laid o n c e • week before His Majesty, and that when the Commander-in-Chief his once expressod his assent, any subsequent application for the purpose of ex pediting those appointments or exchanges, is useless. Q. Then the futility you allude to refers only to those applications which are made after the time that the Commander-in-Chief has delivered his pleasure upon theta ?—A. Certainly. Q. Then do you niean to say that if application were made by him to expedite them previously to that period, lie would succeed in his 'impose ?-wA. I 01111 only answer this, as I believe I have answered it before ; I can only say, that if the Commander. in-Chief desired me to expedite them, I could not send in the papers by themselves, they must go in at the regular time with others. Q. Do you mean to state that if there were an exchange to sii.mense at the office, the application of the Commander-in-Chief could produce on ef fect whatever?—A. No. Q. Do you recollect any other in,tance of an int, rference. much as that of Mrs. Sutherland?—A. I do not know of 0.5 y other, hut 1 belt, re that even if thr letter were anonymous it would be treated in the ins• manner. Q. I la.l you any conversation with the Com inatnifT-iii-Cliiial on the whitet or the letter 1 . --A. Niii farther than this ; I believe it will be found that the resignation is dated the same 'lay with Mrs. Sutherland's lett. r, utwbich ease it is probable that I whinnied it &It the saute period to the Comas Intruder-in-Chia. Q. Do you mean to say that the rc•ignation and Mrs. Slitherlen's letter are, of the same date I—A. I believe ao. .Ir-. Sutherland's awl Mr. Green wood's letters are both in tsns ; I believe the same, date. 14. When woo hi,. reciznation accepted It was approved by the King the 23d of the wine month. Q. MI the nukr of York %tate to you that he knew Mrs. Stahel ?—A. No. Q. DIA h shts: tsuthiAg alma her ?..—A.Nothing. Nich"ls was then callrd Q. (By Mr. Kncatrai.). Do you live in Yrs. Q. Did Mrs. Cleike ever live in your house as a Itylger She did. Q. Wien slid she come there?—A. Some time in October. • Q. Its stoat year p—A. In IEO7. Q. now long ilia she stay with you Till the tine following, or thereabouts. 44. Did she reprevent herself as a widow. or • woman All a widow. Q. Dia she ever reprets'ent herself in another • I eharacior ? Yes, as a married woman; she said *lie nos married to M:. Dowler. Q. how did toY Site suid 'so . l I ersell.. . _ Q. Was it when Dowler came there she repre sented herself us married ?—A. Yes. (.1. Drrl she ►tate any reason for calling herself Clarke when she was married to Mr. Doti ler I—A. She stated, that al the Doke of York knew she wits married to Mr. Dossier, he would he sent abroad. Q. Wws Mr. Dowler there frequently during her stay ?—A. Yes. Q. City Lurd FOLKSTAIE.) You Stl . l4.he repre sented herself us it trlitOvr, 411.1 siie I I ibis ,414. %%as ? —A. Yes, she said her louslnickl was dead about three usuoths. Q. Whets dirt she .ay she wigs married ?—.t. When Mr. Dowleicame to Ilatrip,tead ? Q. At what time was that :--1. I forget the exact tittle. it was after the eXpelilt.o.ll to BlIell(IS Ayres? Q. Dial von believe she was the wife of Mr. bow ler Yes, Q. Did Mr. Dowler ►leep with her Yrs. Q. Was there a French Way in the house ? Yi• h:it was her 1111111 e :-1. I do slot re. salvo. Q. Moos solo) Jnl her family coimost?—A. At first, of herself, %s l it. Thompson, a n d Jliw French. Q. Were ther • any chukkers I—Yes, altrrwar. t-. Q. now Hinny ?—A. Sometimes two, sod some times three ? Q. flow many bed chambers had him Clarke —A. four or five; vhe occupied alma* the whole. home. Q. Do yon know .whether the trench Ludy slept with Mrs. Clarke ?—A. I do not. Q. Is your wife living, and is she here ?—A. Yes. Q. Did you ever correspond with Mrs. Clarke ? —A. I do not understand the question. Q. Did you ever receive a letter from her ? A. I dill. Q. Have you it here ?—A. .o, I gave it to Mr. Masters, u professional gentleman• Q. For what purpose ?—A. To write to her for some money she owed mr. Q. What were the contents of the letter ?—A. I applied to Mrs. Clarke for SONIC money she owed me, hut she was not to he seen. On the same even ing I received a letter from her, stating that slte could prove I had forged a will, by which I got possession of out estate. I took the letter to Mr. Masters, end but him get it:y money. Q. Was it iu cou.ri l nc•uce: of the threat or of the debt due to you that y ms gave this hiller to a pro fessional men I—A. In cousequence of the threat. Q. flow long ago was this f—A. I believe about Jul• last. Wcre there any steps token in consequence by Mr. Master. ?—A. He wrote to her. Q. Have you ever applied to her since ?—A. No. Q. Have you Cler received • letter front her since ?—A. No. Q. (By Mr. WARDLE.) Did Mrs. Clarke say in the letter that yon had bilged a will, and that the could hang you ?—A. 1110 not know the word,. but they were wnnething to that ethret. Q. Von ray your lan car did not proceed against her, why ?—A. I thouglit Iliad lost enough by her already, and Oa* not Milling to throw good amity after bad. Q. Did you ever say you would be up to her for this ?—A. Never. Q. Dill you ever in consequence of Ibis will part from your wife?—A. No. 44. Nor upon any ether occasion ?—A. No. Q. Have you any letters belonging to Mrs. Clarke in your possession ?—.A. Ye*. Q. Have you any objection to produce them ? A. I would not wish to produce them, until she paid me what slit owes, unless at the iequtst of the Howse. [The Witness wa, ordered to withdraw.) Mr. PERCEVAL said, th it it' those letters were any valuable seeurits or plrilge. tl.e noose would re turn them to the %Vitae's. At the astute time he did not thick they should proti ed to examine them merely because they were letters of Mrs. Clarke, it should be shewn that they bail some reference to the subject before the House. Mr. WHITIIIIILA9 thought it would be right to ask the Witness how lie cease by the letters ? before they were read. Mr. WARDI.F. proposed asking, whether they referred to Cie -ale of cum and, if so, to produce them. The resew' he vvislied them to be read VIAA, that Mrs. Clarke lied told him some time ago, that she hail biblical a number of letters touching the inquiry now before the House, that she had given many of them to the Witness and his wife :u destroy, but found lately that they had kept them. Ile applied to the Witness on receiving this information. to know whether he would have any objeetinn to give them up? Ile stated that he had none, provided Mrs. Clarke would give him a receipt tor •them, which she agreed to ; on repeating the request, lie said that he hail been since &obis's' net to give them up. Those were the circumstances that induced him (Alt. Wardle) to inquire for the letters, to-night, and endeavour to bring them be. the Coniutittee.—/dear Hear The Witness was called M. Q. flow did you come Ly those letters ?--A. They were sent down to light the fire. Q. By whom ?—A. By Mrs. Claw kr. Q. How did you come by them ?—A. They were sent Own to light the fire. they were nut given to me, but put into the does.' where the maid might get them. Hare you read the letters Yes, %itae this business clime forward. Q. 1). they relate to the business now under eonsideratiiin a—A. Yes, I think they do. Yoact: nhreteil to the production of the letters ; the llouNe he thought ought to con.:,ler well before they adopted each a 111V11•111e ; all that was known respecting them was, that they were sent down to be burned ; they cousisterl of a large bundle. and might consume much time uniirers sande in the perusal. (No! 210!) In the se emed !dare, they shonld not be read without knowing front whom they came. A to then application to the Met before the House. the Witnees perhaps was wet a proper judge; he would therefore submit whether. node* thew rerceinetwerw.. they should not he referred to some *elect Container (4 try of Ne! No ! Nit 1) ; he would wish I. hear the epiisietts of other Gulde n's woe *is subject . • - • • ) 0 Mt. nAltitAllt thought that the Right Honour able Gentleman could not poessibly •atlopt a course of proceeding that could he ultimately snore injotrious to the Duke of York than tut aitein i ot to conceal any part of the evidence that aus to lie atlilueed :quint.' hunt. 14 liettver vie might think upon the subject, the country would irove its so-pot:ion% They had hitherto gone upon uto :noted plan of the must entire publicity, and it was nun inipossitile for theno, if they were Metalled, to revetle from that Ain, let alio a sil stiffer by this 'lll.. House could not ledp it, tin., must eho their iltity to themselves and to the cows.. try.— f Pear ! /tear !). 31r. \ sr t Tsars D proposed th:tt it might be the better pluts to put lite letters in the same sidttostidis • di"). tionlol hate been if thr Witress had delivers& them to Ills Hon. Fnenel ou his application. Mr. l'rnetvdk bad Not the least doubt but that they roe:; lit Ise safily trusted to that Gentleman but at the Nutitle !tine he had apprehensions that it would :out seepear to all !antics au satisfactory a 11111V4 111.1.4. All • I;.iti: slid not thick that they were be. for 3 entirepia ~,, or that they were to take cug iertioce of the private elf Mos of i:olot 11.• thoiL t ioi the only em ft was 10 refer that et...trait. nil letters to a Select Committee of three r more. Mr. C INNING ospomved of the suggestion of hid I 100. I need, and thou4iit, Unit of the three pro. posit iiiii s olli:re.1 to t h e House, the out just made as, the hest calculated to obviate the thtliculty iu which the Committee Amend itself involved. Lord PORIAIESTER did not see the necessity of it Committee, but thought it would be better that the HOG. Gentleman Mho conducted the inquiry, and *my other Memlwr of tout House, should be uppoiiiteal to exdinine the letters. Mr. Pumsox or said, that he had made a reso- Imolai, at the commencement of the present inqui et not to offer nut observations upon it, until after the evidence itself hoed closed, but in the present instance he could not help pressing upon the Comm nee, the necessity of coining at the best possible evidence that could be bad. He did ap prove of a Committee, but thought it was rather • novel mode to give the minority the controut over the majority. After a snort eleaultorti conversation between Messrs. Brand, Denis Browinr, W. Wynne, Be. tlourst, Banks, and Perceval, it was agreed that the House, on its being resumed, should appoint 111 select Committee to examine the letters. The Ca ttitadil then ordered the Witness to be culled in. Q. (By Mr. Woittnt.t.) Have you now in your possession the whole of the letters you brought with you to this Home ?—A. Yes. Q. You will then produce them ?—A. Certainly (and he deli ere.' to the Clerk four Lund/et.) Q. (By Arr. WILITBILICAD.) Were you advised not to deliver the letter, up to Mrs. Clarke ?—No. Q. (By Mr. Vl' Artul.g.) Did loot you waste a letter, yesterday, to Mrs. Clarke ?—A. Yes. Produce it.—The Wituest produced it, and it was read by the Clerk, to the following purport. via. From the ci‘eninetiinee of his having another application from another smelter, he clad not fret that he would be justified in giving She letters then in his possession ever up to her."—Signed. NICHOLS ; directed to Mrs. Clarke, and dated Feb. 13,109.. Q. From what quarter were you applied to ? —A. By a gentleman ; I don't kuow his mune. Q. hid not you tell me his name yesterday ? A. I do not recollect that I did. Q. Did not you tell me yesterday, the persoo who called on you was Wilkins ?—A. No; l don't recollect his name, but I think it was something like ‘Vi it;ht. Q. (By Mr. PeaceviL.) Did he say he was sent by person of the name of Wilkinson ?—A. No ; he said he came from Mrs. Loton. Q. Did lie ask for any particular letters, or did he speak on th. general subject ?—A. Letters were not mentioned. Q. (By Lu d MILTON.) Did not the person who came train Mr. Luton ask for letteis ?—A. No; he asked about Mr. Dowler and Mrs. Clarke. Q. What did he ask?—A. I do not know; something about their marriage. Q. Why did the Witness assign as a cause, in a his letter to Mrs. Clarke, that the reason for refusing to send her the letters was, that he had been ole plied to from another quarter ?—A. For no rea son ; after turning the business in my own mind, I thought I would be doing wrong, as I might be answerable to this Committee. Q. Had you et the time you wrote to Mrs. Clarke received as order to attend this House A. No. Q. (By Mr. Peocayst..) Did the person, who clime from Mr. Loton, say any thing about letters ? —A. Nu'. Q. (By Lo►d Fonteroae.)—What reason had you to know you would be summoned before this house ?-4. I wu told so by the person who cams from Mr. Luton. Q. Did you see that person this day ?—A. Yes ; he came down and brought Inc up this-thy. Q. Did he bring the summons to you No. Q. You have 'tiara you believed Mr. Dowler and Mrs. Claike to be man and wife ; aby did not yon apply to him for the money MN. Clarke owed you ?—A. I had not an opportunity. Q. Did you seek an opporsunity ?—A. I do not know that I did. Q. What busiuess are you, or how do you pin your livelihood ?—A. I ;Lux a baker. Q. (By Arr. Htmastur.) Did you know of Mr. Dowler and Mrs. Clarke's marriage taktns place at Hampstead ?—A. No. Q. Why then did you suppose she was his wife, when nu have i.tuted that she told you she was a widow ?—A. Mrs. Clarke left my house rad name to town ; at the t i me or about the time she returned, Mr. Dowler first appeared with her. Q. (By Mr. BERT:UPI:IAD.) Yon stated you re. erived a letter from Mrs. Ow kr, yesterday, what was the purport of it. It was produced and read—vit. " That she would be obliged by Mr. N iehol's uOing the lets ten, according to the arrangement Made with him two hours before." Q. Who conveyed it to yott?—A. I don't know. Q. What was meant by the anangetsests made ?