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Addre.s to his Royal Highness the Prince Regent, tor toe production of the account. Also " For an account shelving the PI rtes granted by other Pahhe Astihonties within the same lime." The LORD CHANCELLOR said, he could oppose *motion which, in fact, he could not understand. ,null conceive the object of the first motion, hot w i th respect to the second. he could not ima • tt . e what the Noble Earl meant. Places might e,rtinted in reversion ty Bishops, by the Judges, and in Corporation., and did the Noble Earl de. ~re that such should be laid before the House ? The Earl of LIVERPOOL reinaiked, that the words " public authorities" mete unknown to the ions of this country. Lord HOLLAND %AA that these words were used in several Acts of Parliament, although he could lint at rhr moment call any of them to wind. The Earl of LIVERPOOL said, if the motion contained such words he could not conceive to shoot the order should be suddressed. He did not believe the Noble Earl knew what tor mesot,. Earl GROSVENOR—TiIe Noble Earl was very complimentary in saying, that he did not know whin hr meant. He, however, believed that he knew his own meaning, which was nothing more than what he had said. His desire was, that the order should be as general as possible. However, as there seemed no desire to accede to the motion in the form he hrd couched it, he should fo► the present withdraw it, for the purpose of rendering it snore riocilic. The motion was then withdrawn, and the House adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS, TUESDAY, FEBAVAIT 9. In consequence of the Ballot for Election Petitions, shaogers were not admitted this Jay till near five o'clock. Mr. larmt:vax presented ■ Petition from the Bankers of Statfiird, ugaiust Extents in Aid.—Ordered to lie on the sable. was given to bring in n Bill for lighting the town vi Chelteuliam with Gas. The Carlisle Canal Bill was read a second time, and coin- ..... On the motion of Sir GYONGE Cocain:tor, knife was given tii brine in a Rill fiir the more speedy recovery of Small Delos m the Town of Portsmouth and the adjacent places. NI.. riNuor moved that there he lud before the Home an areimot iif persons confined to Seelland, fur the three years . mime IRltt, for debts under the sum of one pound ; and for sums beyond tune pound and ender three pounds ; and for hilond three and under six pounds.—Agreed to. WELSH GAME BILL. On the motion of Mr. M•DISOCKS thr Committee on the Wrlsh Gauge Bill was ordered to stand for Thursday uest. IRISH GRAND JURIES. Mr. Dawson presented a Petitinvi from the Ma gistrate% of the County of Londonderry, complain ing that Cie provisions of the law pissed in the late Parliament, on the subject of the Irish Grand Juries, were found to be inefficient and im practicohle, and praying that that law might be revised, with a view to its amendment or its repeal. [The flue. Gentlemast spoke in too low a tone of 'mire to he distinctly lielrd in the Gallery.] He ',tot Ova the old system (th,it which was superseded he the law enacted during the late Parliameut) was preg,natit with public mischief, and with gross op. pro-sown—and nothing Inure loudly called fur reboot This was the general impression, asol the Petition which he now pretentell did nut contain a single word hostile to the principle o f Co! law ; that principle, crud,' it be reduced ;itto practice, was one which every man wois!tt support ; hut the great cause of complaint was, that the Magistrate* in Ireland lint nut find it possible to carry the provision* of that Act into effect—and it was complained of as a great hard ship, that, in consequence of the deficiency of the Irw, the public roads were now no longer repaired. The lion. Gentleman concluded by riyirig some very handsome consplonents to Mr. Vesey Fits gertild, for the zeal and ability shewn by him in most laborious and disinterested efforts to abolish sjstem so pregnant with public aril, as that which the bow ititroduced by him attempted to subvert. Sir JOHN STzWAaT said a few words against the present Grand Jury Law. General HART said, that in his mind there were many objections to the law as it now stood, and cite great objection was, that it wur found not prac ii,able. It unposed too, on the Magistracy at the Quarter Sessions, duties which, pressed as they were vith other public business, it was almost impossible to exectite. Mr. V. F +9. I —MIRA LD said he *Gild for the pre sent avoid going into any topics that did not imme diately arise out of the Petition just presented to the House. Whatever might have been the opera tion of the Act, the House and the country would. he had no doubt, at least dcrjustice to the motives of those by whom it was introduced, to their anxiety fir the public interests,ead their desire to put down abuses which were disgraceful to the laws sod Mitoti c's,s to the morals and the welfare of the Irish people. Ile. for one, had no other motive than to protiote the public good; and he would not tamely or silently submit to any imputaiumn which Gentle. men might think fit to cast ill the Hill. As to what fell trom Mr. Dawson, he had nothing to ann. iilaus of. nor would he now deny but that local canoes might have rendered it difficult, at s particu lar time, to carry the provisions of the law lulu exe cution, however easy they might be executed in other parts of Ireland, and however well they might have operated. But he would beg the attention of the Mope to what fell from the I-lou. Gentleman (Nit. Dawioh) in the candid statement lie had made. lie said that moat disgraceful abuses and most intolerable burdens pressed upon the people of below' before the enactment of the law now rnmplained of. The Him. Gentlemen who pre. s.iited the Petition, spoke of Islas in terms too flattering, but lie hoped he might Nay, with a It any breach of tremolo! delicacy, that his endives were at !east pore, end Inn zeal mu- Lorded by any 'set-wind conaideintions when he Inhumed to overturn a systef9 pregnant with public PO. This system might, iii the ryes of smite. he "I"ked upon with intesert :Ind with leudermtui..—they might bewail its fall as the fall d sit ota.firiend— thry aught describe it as an institution innocent we at ors sorieut. De never ei 'timeliest witii tlw ins! i t hoes mita', it wan of its abuses that lie had alwaya "Plallied—it was these ahems that he had always Lihoured to (avenues*. oss the differerft omissions Ow‘n he brought the subject he fore the House, he rltauittrd she excellence of the ancient lams, lint it aos issansf,4 that time and eisrrsilnicui had melted tutu oy abuses, and that two tats-urea atm ptnsable. Eat however necessary these measures might have been. the Hasse would recollect that the duty of revising the ancient law was not I a duly voluntarily undertaken by hint—it was not until the Repents of different Committee, had been laid before Parliament—it was not until these Amami became manifest, and loudly called for the interference rf Gower ttttt ent, that lie, we a Mem- I her of that Government, was called on to bring I forward some measurer to meet an evii so flagrant • and so extensive. Ile was not, be said, insensible of the odium which his exertions had collected ois I • ; lie flt it even iu the very county he repre sent.. Goverionent, he said, were pledged to in vestigate the causes of so much public abuse; they did investigate—and he would now challenge those who complained of the present law, whether they could bring the tenth part of the abuses which were proved to flow directly from the old sys tem, which they wished to re.estmb:ish, against the new law, which they wished to repeal.— Ile could himself prove many abuses which came immediately under his consideration. Olt the other hand, that some imperfections might be found in the late law he did not mean to denv. It was dif ficult to avoid some errors—it was difficult to have every thing complete Had perfect, when you sub stitute new regulations for those which had existed fora century before—which had grown up with the institutions of the country—and which had been administered by a body so transitory as that of a Grand Jury. But he thought it rather hard, that Gentlemen who withheld themselves from the in vestigation, who refused to contribute their la bour or their information, should now complaiii of what they never took any trouble to correct. Ile did not impute any thing unhandsome to Gen tlemen, but it too frequently happened that men could not endure the success of a treasure which they had originally opposed ; they look on its sueceas with envy, and they hinted its fall with an unworthy pride. The principle he sanctioned was the principle of reform—it was a principle that could not sanction the expenditure of the public money, without having that money strictly ac counted for ; this was a principle, lie submitted to the House, deserved the summit of the House, nor would they entertain the views of those who said, return to the old system, and throw the labours of the late Parliament away. He would not con ceal the fact, that in various part« of Ireland objections were made to the Grand Jury Laws as they now stood. It would be uncandid on his part not to state the fact, the more particularly as he understood some county Meetings were to be held against it. It had been stated that the provisions of the law were nnrt found practicable ; he would ask, were they tried ? He would lament the incon venience of the country, but that was not the fault of the law. If it was %hewn that the provisions of the law could not be put iu force, he would be the first to abandon it ; but he could not help saying that the nowrtion made, that the law prevented the passing of presentment' and the employment of the people, was a gross misrepresentation. Inconve nience might in some places have occurred, but in most parts of Ireland the law operated to the advan tage of the country, amid he would implore the House nut to touch on the principle of the law—that prin. ciple winch gave security and protection to the peo ple that the public money should be applied to useful purposes, timid should not be advanced with out being strictly accounted for. Highly as he valued and respected those Gentlemen who coin tese the Grand Juries of counties in Ireland, he could not forget that they were a transitory, and, therefore, not a responsible body—that pressed as they were with a variety of other business, they had little time to bestow on presentment accounts; but when those accounts were examined in open Court by Magistrates at Quarter Sessions, and when no accoont could pass without their sanction, he considered that process a great security for the proper appropriatiou of the money of the people.— The Hon. Gentleman who presented the Petition, lie said, called on him to amend the law. Could he auticipme the sentiments of others, as he did those of the Hon. Gentleman—could he suppose that they, like him, were sincere, lie would will. 'ugly undertake any duty that the House would impose on him ; hut he lilt that there was an ob. jectiou in the minds of some to the very principle of the law ; by felt that their object was not to amend it, hut altogether to overthrow the principles upon which it was founded, and he would thereby beg to liberate himself frosts any further interference. Indeed it would be but a fruitless effort on the part of any individual. He recollected when the law was liist brought iii, recommended as it was by the me ces.ity of the rase, mid aided as it was by the sup port of Government, it was with diltcolty that it passed through the House, and he feared that the peinciple of that law could receive little sup ;inn from the unassisted efforts of an individual liliconnected an lie now was with the Government of the country. He would, therefore, decline the tiok, a n d he should make but one observistion—he would make it with monitors% and with a deep seine of the importance of the subject.— It was, that the great object of the law de served the protection of his Majesty's Govern ment, slid lie implored of them to protect it. It was, he repeated, too much fur an unassisted iudi victual ; and when he recollected that the object of that law was to overturn a system, the growth of a century, be was not surprised at the Opposition it lie was not ammo:ed s . Lowey'r lie might lament, that he had Ifeen so often called to b•-•!';e omit in and out of Parliament. He would beg to atone, that «lieu rn Huniterahle Baronet (Sir John Newport) had formerly brought before this House the state of Ireland, his Right Hnn. Frieliel ph. Peel) and himself pledged themselves to investigate this very subject, as . a subject deeply affecting the public and the local interests of that country. Ile was, he feared, betrayed into too long a statement; but he assured the Home that he abstained from meat things which pressed upon hi t s feelings; he had 100 much reason not to expect matey hostile attempts against the pritiCiplie of the Grind Jury Laws; whenever they were made, he should rise in his place to combat them—but ho felt it right to state that there his iuterfereiree should end. _ _ _ Sir fic.NRY PARNELL said, he agreed with the Linn. fientlemot (Mr. ritsi,zerolel), too only NU to tile eery syloeto which, he hail overtorueri. hut fill e great aril useful nprratinn of the pretirot hi,' • lie coild rtLitc, that in the comity he repro. sealed that law operated most ; he spoke frosts official information. lie wrote a letter to the Secretary of the Grand Jury of that county, to know whether any material difficulties had pre vented the provisions of that law from 1.-tisg carried into execution, and the answer of that officer was, that no difficulty whatever presented itself, hut that the operati ssss of site law had born eminently oriccessful. This he stated from his own inquiries ; rind he fear ed that Gentlemen %vim celoured it slid not always take the precaution of understanding it. At the As• sizes, before that law had been tried in the Qiieen's county, the amount of the presentments wee thir teen thousand pounds; lost when that law come into operation, the amount of the presentments w a s four thousand pounds, and two thousand pounds of this sum was disapproved of by the Magistrates at the Quarter Sessiono. . 'rho* did it work in the Qneess'a county ; and if the law had operated so beneficially there, he could not see why it would tint equally operate in other counties. Temporary causes might prevent it fur a season, but it was founded on a principle that must ultimately operate for the good of the country. The Hon. Baronet concluded by expressing hie hope, that the request of the Gentleman (Mr. Fitzgerald) would be attended to by his Majesty's Government, and that they would support a measure which promise,) to promote the morality, and to protect the interests of the Irish people. Sir GEORGE iitt.T. said, that as the Represen tative for Londonderry, he hoped Are would he ex cused for snaking a few remarks. He very willingly admitted the zeal and ability of the Run. Gentle man (Mr. Fitzgerald), and he should hope that he would not refuse his assistance to revise a law which certainly called for amendment. As to an Miser %%llion of the lion. Gentleman, he would declare that there was no hostility whatever on the part of the petitioners, to the principle upon which that law was founded. Mr. FITZGERALD 1111114, that as far as he could lend his aid, he would willmely assist in any mineuil- ments that might he found necessary in the law, provided the principle of the law itself was not at tempted to be destroyed. As to the Petitioners, nothing was further from his intention than to im pute any hostility to them. As to the Honourable Baronet, he did not menu to apply any observation to him. He was the Geutletnan who, in that House, seconded the measure. He gave it his support—every part of it ova submitted to his con sideration, for the purpose of receiving his *auction. Mr. Net. *aid, he regretted to find any imps• Bence manifested by the House on the present occasion ; and that regret certainly was not of a personal kind, as he did not intend to trespass at any length on the time of the House. But he did conceive that the affairs of Ireland merited more attention. When he considered the importance of that country, the small number of Representatives which she sends from her own shores to sit in the British Senate, and the little time which the con cerns of that country occupy. he would be forgiven for saying, that he thought come small attention ought to be given to her athirs—he thought that in a full House, Ireland might have justly expected a lit. tie more consideration to her interest and her situa tion. With respect to the objections urged against the Bill, he considered thew objections made by anticipation ; no time had interfered since the pass ing of the Bill that could tell how it operated one way or other, and therefore he considered the oh. ireful's, urged nut because the Bill had been found to he defective on trial, but those objections were made in anticipation. But even if some difficulties should present themselves, surely that would be no ground for returning to a system which was univer sally disapproved. As for the ancient principle of the law, it was never abandoned ; it was the abuses that were given up ; the law was not supplanted, but the abuses of it were corrected. Gentlemen, he said. who were not, like him, immediately con nected with Ireland—he begged pardon—he was no longer officially connected with that country, but he was connected with her by dearer ties; his zeal for her prosperity, and his best wishes for her happiness, remained, and ever would re mein unabated; but Gentlemen not connected with that country knew very little of what was meant by account'', affidavits, presentments, and other terms, the very mention of which deterred them from further inquiry. It was quite necessary that there is a very importaut difference between the powers of the Grand Jurors in Ireland and those of England ; the Grand Jurors of Ireland have the power of raising money to any unlimited amouut--and Gentlemen who in this House wit nessed the formalities necessary for every grant of the public money, would naturally suppose that something of the same nature was practised by the Grand Jurors in Ireland. They would indeed expect, that in the latter case. more difficulties would be in the way—because this House is com posed of the representatives of the people, they would therefore suppose that not less formalities should be observed by those who were not the re. presentative, of the people. The Grand Ju►y there is a body nominated by one individual, who is nonominated by the Crown, and the only qualification for those individuals is, that they should be forty shilling freeholders. yet they hate the power, the unrestrained and unlimit ed power of taxing the ,people to any amount; Aud to what amount have the Irish people been so taxed ? to the amount of One million, at a time when the other lazes paid to the Crown amounted •to four million'. It was impossible for the Grand Jury to attend to the preentments, their power was limited to the number of days the Judge of Assize remained in the county. He recollected that at one particular Amite, the number of presentments was so great, that had the Cramd Jury laid ill other business aside—had they not even looked Into the criminal Issuances of the county, hut attended in , cessautiy to the presentineuti,•they yet could be stow but one Minute and an half to each present. ment during the entire Period of the Assile. This Net. lie conceived, required no observation. As to • the description of paeans win' applied lot those presentments, they required no other geisha. cation than to be able to write their nestles, mud from the nature of the thing. they could receive but lit tle consideration front the Judge. It iss right to add, that the only evidence laid before the Grand Jury, on granting the presentment. war the affidavit of one of the individuals who was to receive the mo. airy. He had in his official situation, occasion to enter .uto the details of a particular ease. A pre- •_ tenement 6, 18,0001 wee granted, slid An Act of Parliament gave power to the Lo dr of stir Treasury to *demos that sum for the ex.cittosti of the wok. Application vino snide accordingly. hot the original estimete woo increaaril from 19.1)0o/. in 41,0001. end flit, sum was to let levier! nn list lasilsolders of the country. When tbi. el s i n s was made. he felt it lii• duty on lo hall of the laodholdert, to investigate she forsooth.. mod he was struck with one item of 230/. granted by the oversew of the stork+ to the tritsit , t• of ei gristksisaii. for imitating 11:e ro 111 tins titzli altar loud.; and tisk ovei.rer voided this .nos sdetsralitt. NllllOl.ll any w»mstit I We Growl Jary Noy moist). city whatever. Thia 'oceorr-il u.sdrr 'lee ohf sy•tren, such this fort Arnie wools' give see 0 )11 . .t a motion of the inatisitons absi4ts that tided it. Sir J. Nioveoex said, no e e nslid man, no mast who regarded ilie welfare of Irelaarl. could object to the prim:tole of the present law ; the Investor bed not a fair trial; the objection to the inantsure WWI prospective, not practical. It has not worked ; we know not its effect ; we Call .only issoicipate— and i• scot fair to anticipate the worst. As to the old system, it was full of imperfeciro. ; it *55 vW10U....t) viciona and ors Odin's% that if the choice were left to him he would Dither forego the benefits of all law upon the subject, then to embrace that system, pregnant as it was with im morality, with rapacity. and oppression. old system was bud, slid it ong!it mot to exist. As to thy objection wade to the liter ust it now sdands, lie would only say that it was possible that the law ie /pored amendment: he would say. amend the law— Wreiserve the principle. How cauld it be t xpected fhat so Act which aubvelted an :ancient practice, winch embraced new stud opposite prosciples, should slot lie attended with mount emus? 1111- 1114111 foressght could nut prrvetit them. Win re they occur, let them be corrected-I,ot let Lice principle of the bow resists.—it was a Oar , ;Win ciplr, which diricoisiiteisanced jolilinig, and prow:il ea at olive the politic morals ;11111 VW 1/111)11C Ilicesiry from the rapacity of those who would corrupt tile one to possess the other. The Petition was ordered to lie on the to THE CIUMINAI. CODE. Mr. WILDLREORI;F: presented a Petiti from the Society of Friends sizainst the punish sit of death in certain casts. Ile said, that on m re oc casions thou one thr Legislature had been acquaint. ed with the exemplary voodoct of that body of men, who now presented en humble Petition against laws which the hest and wiseat mess have held to he impolitic cud severe. It was, he said, impossible for kiln to rinse his humble voice in that House. without temenilwriug With deep sorrow the loss of that mats who, in that Hutw, laid often pleaded with eloquence the cause of ho monity—of that mats whose talons were on orna ment to his country, but whose talents fell below the standard of his virtues ; Jtis sleuth was on many occasions a subject of public regret ; lie was the genuine patriot. whose patsiotiont was exalted by his humanity. It was, lie said, to be regretted that the country had so long neglected to take this great question into considerntion. Since the days of Howard, we have been apprised of the evil, but we have nut applied the remedy. It was, lie said. most lamentable to follow up all the melancholy effects of the Criminal Law—one of the to.,et me lancholy of these effects was, that the uncertaiiity of the law left the unhappy criminal in that elate of unceneinty that lie literally gaolbird his exist ent:v. He recollected having had a conversation with the lair, Justice Buller, who said to him that those unhappy wretches who were cosifined under sentence of death. speculated sic wagers that they would slot suffer the penalties of the law. With those unhappy wretches it was a gambling ape. collation whether they would live, or die on the ' gallows. The Hon. Gentlemen said there we: a great and melancholy mistake made in the treatment of public criminal*. Experience proved (lie iii•Licced particularly the case of IllitariUll•te females), that where criminals were treated with tesidertiesw, they returned to the paths of virtue, OW compensated, by their good conduct, for the irregularities of their former lives. But it was the fault of thee law that no attention was paid to the wretched culprit if he escaped the punishment of death, he was rent nwey, enslaved, ussilistructed s nosettesided to ; but he hoped a more enlightened policy Could operate to the diminution of crime, and to the promotion of justice and humanity. The Petition was ordered to lie on the table. WINDSOR EWA BLISH MEN+. Lord CASTLEREAGH roue to port pone the con• sideration of the Windsor Establishment to 'Thurs day se'iinight. Sir JAMES MACKINTOSH said, that after the speech they had just beard. and after the Petition that hod been presented, he was not It little as tonished at the silence of Ministers. Surely the Home 'Mild expect some explanation from the advisers of the Crown on this finprortarit subject. Lord CASTLEREAGH raid lie did not slunk it usual, where o Petition was presented, to enter into nil discussion ou the merits of that Petition. The presentation of a Petition was only preliminary to discussion, and for the present he did not feel k ne cessary to say any more. Sir J. bloosityrosli- 0 I rise, Sir, to elm entire, that on Taco*, the Cid of February, 1 'laud to bract the subject of the Crholoal Law ceder theearosideratiou of this Howe... THE ELATE TRADE. Lord CARTLIIIMACIII said, he would, on Taesdaj went, lay ou ibe table of the House the Papers respectiog the Slave Trade; sad at the same lime be would lay bef o re the H ouse the Papers respeetieig the Milting of British Subjects ea she Wilma Cu/ferment. Sir J. Armen*r Imaged to kaow ' whether it was the In- Italian of the Nohle Lord to Nebsnit any *notion to the Howe on the subject i( these . Lord Cnrkiasiggiss said. It was hie inteUttou to mote for leave to bring in a Bill en lbe 'object. POWET ELECTION. The folloolog Members were appointed by ballot to de cide or die merits of ibis Awn alsestiois ; Mr. A. B. Robarts, I Mr. W. L Hugbaa, 134 N. W. Ridlep, I Lord Jobe Toousbead, Mr. R. B. Cooper, Lord Altborp, Mr. Rodeo% Sir J. Boogie', Sir William Guile, Roo. SI r,A, Hope., Mr. JIMAIII Dunlop , Mr Henry Wrottaitep. Mr. Thos. W Besootodt, Right Moo. TWIN. Wialti. Mr. &mod Horruck., 1410Ri LAWS. . Mr. S. iseian,, to this( so muse for the liksoldidtrof of a Cosansilttoe to inveiltirate the Pode's IAIIMSfin II liet. " . wiry to ogre • wen fry obwervattool. to CM Nome. Wiwi' the former Oefeimoitive w's apostate& Ail 104 ea tiles i". preparing Bills for the insettoratioo of the entddog apstentiJ S • • and ample Own wits elveb to the censure) for 'Shen et.m.i. Iteration. The emonsoniestions made to the etarte;f4ree were very numerous. TIM. ii•ry seal hi from differem rishea, .ch of which stated firenosannees roneectroll %IN its local isitiostioo. To this cause alone soy delay that Ind taken piece was hi be attrilorited. Oise of the HON loot 'paused hods Houses; but of the tiecorol, two porn, were thrown out, mid elteentioos were made in It elsewheee e whirls were found to he ine.m.ialerit Irish the Helm snot !wit/deers of that Howie. The toils. (pollee or thia was, that it was found impossible In proved is that Megaton. Two other Bills emanated form the same Committee, the one for elicolliiiithig Varmint Benefit norletiga—ihr other for making an alteration isi the low of di , 'dement. H. coo. strived thin the renewing a Committee of Ilea sort, for the purpose of rreonakkriee those matters a Melo bad attrset•d their sttemiou 'ln the list Session, would he ferothl e•oviteleestite ittieltntrzes. II was ntrersooty so• state, that when the Committee nir. red those m eeeeeeee 1.. the Ti mm , 'hey did not moon to let it he sllppootsd,.that nostmor ITIOrp he dune. The Committee felt that much more, sad of more important into , . remainef! to lie eti. tied, in order to cheek tlo; crest end Mooing whirl., if 'Hine Mr,. sure were not speedily interposed, would take from 'the landholder the wletie prndnce of the .oil, selfhood Ilene filing the porn, While their hemline's% and independence would certainly Id destroyed.—( Lrnr ,—ln saying this" honesty, be writ 41 not to raise a atfoor expereatim, in the pulthe mind thnt sexy thing effeetted roold In shine; st the sass tine he 'town! drat messeres might Ise devised for the g. uwsl impetteesso ot of the exist ii.; %%stem —( reeve, bear.)—Ti• lion. and Learned Member f.. tVosehrlons (Mr. lirottelsiin) stated, in the last Session, that it inn his is► grown to introduce a litetinuee for the purpose of checking— tlc.t. evil . , and of froslising the burden of the poor's retro. Ile was fotivincrd Mal there wit no ~ensure which the limise would had with ereeter pl 'flie Learned Men.. her had derlitted fining on the led Curetuittee, but per• halve he would have no bjectiun to set on that fur which he alas shoot to mute. If she Leartsed Gentleman agreed 1,1 III) sit , hr I%lr. 'mold he harmy to introduce Ina woo.. 144.41 he felt tin &oast but that anon brio tit • ~lift In : d eeme d I rsin his tele.,ls and oe.st•cs sore. 'Elie ge 'at übjret he 114.1 ill WWII, in rut vine •i* a Con.tett ire. • MA., to 11,..r1. ti..' pressure of the Lens--34441, if the Committee-1.40rd in eitertm; this, lie wog sure it w 4,40.1 111.1 h. urea-u .nrd by not, weal of perseverMe 00000 to this most important and storming subject. The Right lima. Genii( :11:11t concluded by movine— "Thal a Committee tie el/pointed •tn cva•'der of the l'o•n•, Lai4s. 411‘1 to .evert lhev elisetratiuiie thereon Cum toile lu Vine." Mr. Ct. nw me raid, the Hen. Greemaii who had jest set (lowa was entitled not ugly ti. the intll% Wool thanks of es el y Member of that Honor, hot to the approlot loot of the coun try at large, for the shilits and plow reiti.ce atilt which he applied himself to ilt;,.. subject. It war, th , refure, with 1.4111. r patio that he lie e to oppose the rnutim. for • Com• trustee. Fur, tionoth he thooght that, in the Gat instance, the appointment of a Committee was the !oat course that could be resorted to, in order to firing so fficient evidesiee before the Fluhre, yet, as their How appeared ttr be a complete th tAil nu this most' important and alarming anbjett, he ennerivel they ought at nitre iir meet the tpwa. lIOU fairly. Itinthitig could be dune in the Committee to in . e t the evil% complained of ; they could only he removed by a great and comprehensive view of the sithj-et, taken by thus , whose situation in the State gave then. en opportunity of investigating the question, with a refer/ us r to all the y 4.10.51 relations of the coo iii y. and who a ere 'gble to take %toms themselves She reseatisiinlity of such menstor r as appeared to them calculated to • ff.rt Ott% .d. j 'trt. that of the very iulieneol in iticiples of the Poor's I..nws avow mark of the evil of which the count, y eomplateed—C., re. Snotty. when Hwy look Ola of the hreda of toil, etattals ;ie. tionlite of pro. riding for ilientsulres, tiny rendered futrito r: .- .re carrierm of their own personal welfare. Thor WWI rsidelil from th e coo t . manicement of the system. when sneanswere taken to check the growth of panpesism—tu the first instairte, by the operation of shrine, and ultimately by Ike arststance of terror. Poore Muses were erected, and individual., who were torn front their homes, were immured in Shore phees. From the great Dumber of paupers, this measure ass Omni ineffirient, and the evil coutinued to inerease. This demuraliting system, coat the country 2,000,0001. user motion, a's since that period, the expense war mine t han onadrupled. The evil was of Buck a neture, that Itntiporaty Mee mires (-mild do nu good. To be counter:B(l,d. its trite aourets moist be esplored To dirt. , peal reuses he attributed the present vitiation of the country. wi n, refer (cream to the Pasiell Laws. Yu.... exerssive takaliou— , 941, the depreciation of money—am , 4th, the great vise ire the price of the necessaries sif life. These were the causes of She extrema distrese.--and those oho imagined they would come out of the Committee with a remedy far any but the minor abuses, attached themselets. Ile ma. afraid, to a hope, that, its the end, wuttfo out be realised. The Hun, Grullemau himself admitted that his hamper were very feeble. fur his own part, Ite cherished tor liape whaler. er from the adopt ioo of any measure, except the it , •al of the Causes by which the prewitt state of 'Mots Ili 3S lotC3SiOtlf 11. That could only be dune by those whir had it in their power to take effectual meats' for pnitnig an end to the system So which the actual evil could be traced. 1.1 she course of 25 yeses, the increase of wager had been ($lll . -24.11111i1l j and, in the same time, the rite to the price of provisions was one. (bird. Salt, leather, soap, m u d coulr, were armies of pi ma' y unportastee to a working matt. Now, upon a fair cacti. linnets, it would appear that, to pructise these, one.nialh of the whole of his itietone was swallowed up. if illiS country were So be preserved is that prowl situation, which, from the nature of her free Cons nation, She unlit always in be placed in, it tumid only be done by ameliorating 11. a situation of the workiag clastas of the people —,' neor.J-- Ile runlet not juin in praising the Noble Lord for the state. meat he had made, on a former evening, relatite to the si tuation of the country. It was, he b. Sieved, is a desperate state, sad could only be relieved by guarding against every attempt at an undue or unnecessary expenditure of the pub. lie money, from the Crown down to the humblest officer to the State.—(near, keur).-I,nok mg throughout the coon. try, be believed it would be found that the money paid for the maintenance of the poor bad increased and n .t dimi utsbed in the Nat year. That branch of taxation, exacted be the Poor's Laws, though mansinelly paid • by the people lit, large, came in reality front the landholders. Whatever was paid by the farmer was truly nominally paid. He did sot wish t,s take the bowl. is wholly from the shoulders of the teed. holdera-rhe was riolytlesirona that it should be fairly VIII eatett• ly borne. If this sy.tem went on ' it would be impossible to Ferrawhole n the 'moraine% from [sting psuperised. If ti 14.10. Were to be eampnlsory charity, be could see nu reason oily the great bulk of the monied interest, and the who(' of ity trading commuuirS, should not hear a poetise of the wrialr. It would be nothiug more than jut.' to take the Wardell tam the laudholder, and let it he supported by the cotostry at large. The tears on the moored interest were about 4a. its the potted, !lisle the demai.d Oil th.: , landed proprietor for poor's rate, was, on the average Ss. He would boa ewer take it at 3u. width, wide 4r. for OftlitlSl I taxes, made 76. Three were beaidee other charges sasouistrog to 4s. more. So that the landed proprietor received bill Ds. out of hie punted, while the individual, wboae properly was fended, gut id'. In the mite way, if they looked at the wages of the la. bearer, they would find *but hie rest, feel, salt, soap, to. took up the whore. except abort Is. per 'reek, with which be had to hinds/ hinierlf with food, sod various necessary articles. The courripiesse wail, that potatoes formed a greet pert of his sobsietsoce. Ne .eossititred, In ems pets; of view, the growth of potatoes et • gyissehlessieg to soy coseleys—but he looked Opole it use decided OM, when Site palate formed the prioldpal slide of a astioi% food, le teaukd HI 10 jamas of pepe‘stios fee wee styli lip • Delta illieriog roistry) Is a liegree that 0,04 eel he sepias laid I # any capital, however wet. To the **sot if thiterrool. torsi part of Ike eirstimeolly, the stellselterrai.t.bogre Wes. Dist fairly doh lay, eseept la • *wry NSW powe art* miss& dies. Thli (twit, of the wits* adopiedsithisle4iiive is Sepal to tisteely.. the prier of saps !WI tegabilil/41 Millet. trOfite.oo ti 1110 fedi( 11101/0/Meli ilkeiltiob• WOO = : , 6111 aiiholladiiii. Obit* gems, mem hi. impoe• ..-. He egrosd in the priselph kaid dusts~ vs a fosses or. cities by tie Noble Loyd, shot it wad better to Ir i s! • aboil li"*44ll.l.4l Ad hl bb:aftea."l""lip"piortedse be i li ti inded idl rre esewl upkilaiskl / 2 . allieditibeiwWll4thisirlptiliusniacw"tplethaidwaSa. • I" ,~