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Lion. It was not too much to say that the Irish Clergy did not perform their duty as well as they may. On former occa sions he had stated the authorities on which his opinions were founded, and he should not now trouble the House with a repetition. It would be sufficient for him now to quote an observation of the celebrated Dr. Paley. Dr. Paley says that •• the Church Establishment is a means for a certain end," and that •• it is necessary to consider how this establishment answers the end fur which it was Mended. He was of opinion thatthat religious establishment was no part of a religion, bat only a means of =peering IL" In stating this authority, he meant to draw the conclusion, that as Christians they were not bound to support any established form of religion. There was nothing to support a reli. gious establishment but the expediency of the moment. The Legislature had Wore determined that the established religion of England should be altered, and if they considered that the present establishment was inadequate to the proposed end, no doubt the Legislature could alter it, or remove it altogether if objectionable. Various author concur with Dr. Paley in his opinion of a Church Establishment. They supported him (Mr. Hume) in his opinion, that this, or any subsequent Parliament, may adopt any particular form of religion which may be found most expedient. Parliament had before decided as respected the Roman Catholic religion, and if Parliament should think proper it may so act on the present occa sion. It had been said that this country was Protestant, an asser tion which he did not mean to deny ; hut if it was argued hoot this, that the Church could no: be alterednrithout a revolution in the State, he asserted that them never was a more erroneous opinion. True, in all ages the Church was found willing to support the Government in all its proceeding, and therefore it became the interest of the latter to unite with the Church. Though this was the line of policy which had long been observed, he dcnie.: the soundeess of it. The State may establish a Church to improve the people in morals and religion, but the Church had never benefitted by its alliance with the state. He disclaimed any idea or inclination to overiurn the State when he pressed for an alteration in the Church Establishment. Many of the most emi nent Christians concurred with him, that the union of Church and State conferred :to adrantage on religion, and little on the State There was nothing, therefore, to prevent any inquiry into the state •of the Church Establishment io Ireland. The law made the Pro. testant religion the established religion in Ireland, but the same law may make any other religion that of the State. Looking hack to the time of William the Third, he believed it was intended 'ay that Monarch to have given Ireland, as a State religion, the reli gion of the country. His letters are upon mord, in which he in structs his Government to pass an AC; establishing that religion mast agreeable to the dispositions oilier people. Untortimately for Ireland, circumstances induced William to utter his opinion. If Ireland had the religion of the country established as Scotland had, from the similarity of the countries and the people, he had reason to believe that Ireland would be happy as Scotland was. If the religion of the country was established a century of happiness would have passed away, and England would not now be the gaoler of Ireland's rights. The Presbyterian religion was not more general in Scotland than the Roman Catholic religion in Ireland. Whilst the religion of the country was withheld from Scotland, that country was a scene of murder and anarchy ; and look at its state I since Scotland had established its own religion. Here was an ex- I ample foe the House to act upon as respected Ireland. The pre sent question was not whether the Protestant or Catholic, or H in doo, or Mahometan religion was the best, but the question is as to the policy of a government. (Hear, hear.) Ina political point of view, he was satisfied that every act of inquietude which had occur red in Ireland may be accourited for by the mode of proceeding adopted by Its rulers. A religion was set up adverse to the feelings of the great mass of the community, and that community was ob liged to support that establishment most extravagantly. Th: pen. ple of Ireland were deprived of their religious and tied right., mid this accounts for many of the evils which have all and that coun try. He was not aware that any other part of the world preserted such apicture as Ireland had dune within the last century. We claimed the character of a liberal Government, in contradistinction to illiberal governmente; but holding in mind this liberal character, with what feelings should we look upon the train of consequences moduced by our Government in Ireland. This is not a question of religion, it is a question of great state pclicy and of humanity. 0 this ground, the Members of that House would leave their duty as legislators, if they permitted, year after year, to pass without acquiring any information on this subject. The system carried on in Ireland was quite frightful. There was now a temporary melt, which rendered the present a fit opportunity for the inter ference of Parliament. He (Mr. Hume) was anxious to have brought the subject before the House early in the Session, but lie was induced to glee place to the motion of his Honourable Friend the Alember for Westminster (Sir F. Burdett). The fate of that motion must bring every man to the conclusion that the Church and the Church alone had defeated the hopes of the Catholics The Church Establishment had hindered the progress of liberality, and it was his opinion, that as long as the Church Estab lishment preponderated, as it now did, those rights would be' witheld, which it was the interest and policy of England to grant, and the right of Ireland to receive. If his Ma. jay's Ministers, supported by the sanction of his Majesty, brought the subject of Catholic emancipation before Parliament, ti.e Church, embracing its own interest, would support the Govern ment. From the divided state of the Government, it was not likely they could ever agree upon this subject, and therefore it devolved upon the !louse to ter the question at rest Much had been said of the danger which might arise to religion, if the Church Establish. meat was meddled with; but the truth wns, that the present was not a question of religion but of property ; he should consider the al lowance made to clergy upon the same principles as the allowance made to the army and navy. The origin of rights and property IV-in in tee law. It was idle' at this hour to contend that church property was as inviolable as private property. Henry VIII. set the precedent of attacking church property, and he (Mr. Hume) should be glad to know whether the Legislature had not the same right as Henry VIII. to interfere with church property. The holder of church property cannot leave it by will—lie cannot name his successor ; therefore church property was distinctly different from private property. Upon the death of a clergyman the law may resume the rights it gave, and take back the property without injury to any individual. Every rational man makes his means commensurate to the end. The instruction of the people was the end of the Church Establishment in Ireland. These means had been tried, long tried, and they had notoriously failed in Ireland. The numbers of the Irish Clergy was most dispropor. tionate to the numbers they had to instruct. There were seven millions of inhabitants in Ireland. One-fourteenth belonged to the Established Church, and ore-fourteenth to the Dissenters ; there fore, only onenieventh of the entire population was Proteitant, and the rematnieg six-sevenths were Roman Catholics. There were no leas than 550 clergymen and &wineries to instruct one-seventh of the population. 1. his was in the proportion of one instructor to about one hundred persons. A reduction of the Irish Bishops had taken place ou a former occasion, by a consolidation of sees ; and why not now reduce them in the same manner, if neces sary. Ten parishes were often united in one benefice, and why should not the dioceses of twenty.two Bishops be doubled up (a laugh) into four. lie could prove that four Bishops may perform the duty now divided amongst twenty-two, with equal adventage to the country fn. landed property of the Church In Ireland was enormous, and was alto a matter for consideration. The amount of church property was greater in reality than a cur tory obeerver might be led to imagine. for if let at full value it would produce treble the amount it at present did, being let on ad vantageous terms to the relations and friends of the Right Rev. Prelates. He did not blanie any individuals. He only found fault with the system. Possibly if he were a Bishop lie would do the same. He stated the full value of the See of Clogher at not less than 31,000/., Kilmore at 41.00 W., Dublin at 42,0001., Elphin at 39,0001., Derry at 94,000/. He maintained that entirely, exclu. sive of tithe s , the church had property to the amount of 2,500,0001., and while adverting to the subject he would state, that lie bad that morning received a paper, stating the value of four hundred and seventeen parishes In Ireland under the Tithe .Commutation Act, from which it appeared that their value on an average was about 450/. per annum. On a former occasion he had stated the benefices inlreland to average MO/. It therefore appeared, from this official document, that he was very little astray in his calculation, although he had been charged with vastly over rating. lie then adverted at considerable length to his controversy with the Bishop of Limerick, on the subject of the non-resident Clergy, and dwelt much upon the deliberate and wilful misrepre sentation of the Right Rev. Prelate, as he stated to be; for he ()Ir. Hume) had spoken of a non-resident as a person who holds a benefice, had lives at a distance from it, leaving the duties to be performed by another; but the Right Rev. Prelate who had cen sured him in such unmeasured language, described a non-resident as a person who, having several linings, resided on any one of them. That, he contended, was a species of mental reservation, or rather, be would say, of evasion, that was utterly disgraceful. He (Mr. Hume) had stated that there were snl non-midenta, but by the evasions oh the Bishop of Limerick the number was reduced to from 25 to 30 Even the Return then on the table showed that there were 393 non-residents at the vet y moment when a Right Hots. Gentleman (Mr. Plunkett) was affirming, on the authority or the Right Reverend Prelate, that the number was as stated above 25 .0 30. His charge against them was that then were not at their posts, that the clergy were not incumbents. He had been charred :n genteel term., by the Right Rev. Prelate, with telling a lie, and that he thought tame with a very bad grace from a man whose book was full of lies. Was it not absurd er any man of common sense to talk of taking a distinction between men being actually resident and virtually resident? After several other observations on these topics he proceeded to call the attention of the House to the important subject of tithes, and urged the necessity of doing away with the petty exactions of small sums. The civil actions for tithes were vexatious. From late information there were not less than 711 in Kilkenny, 231 in Carlow, in Mayo 310, in Tipperary 300, Tyrone 319, Limerick 823, Waterford 347. His wish was, that all the tithes should be included with the rent, and paid in one sum by the antler, and then given to the clergyman by the owner of the land—not the occupier. He then enumerated the several evils and oppressions Which the poor suffered in the collection of the tithes, and urged the House to provide a remedy. lie corn. plained in strong terms of the injustice of persons interested being nailed to decide tithe questions in thg Ecclesiastical Courts, as being contrary to the first principles of judice. No clergyman should sit on any bamb. It wan an evil loudly complained of everywhere ; and any place where clergymen were principally magistrates, was described as having a black bench. He said that the relative situation of the Room* Catholics was greatly changed from what it had been formerly, they were much more numerous now, and bore an infinitely larger proportion to the Protestants than at the time the religious Establishment of Ireland had been formed; it therefore became unjust that the many should pay for the few. The Protestants were fast disappearing; and when they should have ceased altogether to exist in Ireland, would it not be Inward to a religious establishment for the use of a sect which bed The application of the First Fruits funds he 6.-gm.... • THE BRITISH PRESS spoke of in high terms of reprobation, as also of the constitution of the Board which had the disposal of it. A Select Committee of that House was, he thought, the best means of getting at the bottom of the abuse. He concluded by moving Resolutions to the effect, that the property of the Established Church in Ireland was public property and under the controul of Parliament, a"d applicable to such put.., poses for the promotion of reli g io n or ot h erw i se as t h e wis d om o f Parliament might see fit, due regard being had to the rights of in. dividuals-4d, Thu that House would early in the next Session of Parliament institute atzinquiry into the state of Chuch property, with a view to ascertain whether it did not exceed the amount at which it ought to be fixed. Sir F. BURDETT seconded these Resolutions. Mr. Secretary CANNlNG—whatever fault mi g ht be found with the Hon. Gentleman on any other ground, nu imputation could be cast upon him for the manner in which he brought fainted his motion—for having gone about his design in any covert way, or for having kept back any exposition which ought in truth and justice to have been given, for he had proceeded plainly and fairly ; lie had candidly and aboveboard acknowledged that, as his immediate object which had formerly been in - muted to others as the necessary result of their arguments. What others had concealed and spoken of ambiguously, he had put forward fairly in the front of his argu ment. Before he would make the few observations that he thought necessary on the occaaion, he would request the clerk of the House to read that clause of the Act of Union which related to the Es tablished Church in Ireland. The fifth article was then read by the Clerk, and was to the effect, " that a complete union should be established between the churches of England and Ireland in doctrine and discipline which by that compact was to remain 1 in full force for ever." In the examination of the question then before the House they had this great advantage, that they were not to search for arguments in far distant and forgotten times—that they had not to refer to proceedings and enactments which might be imperfectly remembered or iudistinctly understood—but that they had before them clear and distinct authority of rot more dis tant date than five-and-twenty years ; and he would call upon the Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Hume) to compare that with his resolution and judge for himself, if such a resolution could be passed consistently wiih the solemn compact then referred to. If he would but candidly and impartially institute a comparison between there- ' solutimi which he then submitted to the House, and the explicit clause just read. He was unable to conceive how it could be pro posed to the House so to break faith, far it could not, without an absolute violation of the Act of Union, consent to there-solution of the Honourable Gentleman ; it could not say that Parliament had the right of dealing with the property of the church, so as to make it available for public purpases. He did not lose sight of the sir. eurnstance, that in the beginning of the Honourable Gentleman's resolution it was stated. that the purposes of religion were those to which that property might be applied; but at the same time it was to be distinctly kept in view, that the latter part of that resolution fairly acknowledged, that according to the discretion of Parliament the property of the Church might be applied to any purposes sup posed to be expedient as well as to the purposes of religion. It' he were to search for any standard to which he might refer an argu ment against the disturbance of any species of settled property, it would be that of Ecclesiastical Corporations. If there was one , species of Interest more than another that should be held sacred, it was that with which the Resolution of the Hon. Gentleman pro- posed to tamper. The whole of his arguments proceeded as if no such principle of sacredness had ever been established. He had seemed to give a preference and superiority to the interests of indi viduals, taking a distinction between their title to property and that of the Church, as if the latter were held by a tenure less valid and secure. He heard with no little site rise the cheers of an lion. Member opposite, connected with the Corporation of London at a tune when the Hon. alember for Aberdeen had been using the arguments to which he (51r. Canning) then adverted. Surely one rule was not to apply to the Corporation of London and a dif ferent one to the Ecclesiastical Corporations. (Hear, hear.) If Parliament se .e to a. ume the right of tampering with the property of the Corporation of London—if Parliament were to come to the resolution, that in a stilocauent Session the revenues of the City of London should be applied to such public purposes as the exigencies of the State might seem to require. he could assure the Hon. 31em b ir who had so cordially cheered the lien. Gent. opposite (Mr. Hume) that he would long in vain to him (Mr. Canning) for tiny assistance in protecting the rights of the Corporation. [The Hon. Member to whom Mr. Canning alluded interrupted him with an observation which was understood to be a disclaimer of the sentiments imputed to him.l He was glad to see him retract, anti thus early lay in his claim to have the property of the Corporation preserved. The Hon. Gentleman while proceeding with his confiscation would permit no dangerous consequences to individuals—their rights were to re main untouched and sacred, while it became a matter of no im. portance how ecclesiastical persons might be dealt with. He trusted the House would not tolerate the argument, which assumed that no respect was to be paid to the titles to property while it re mained in ecclesiastical hands ; as if the moment it fell to a lay propriotary, it was to acquire a character of inviolability and sa crednexa---a character which was not to belong to it while it re mained connected with the parent stock from which it had been violently torn. The Hon. Gentleman had contended that the re venues of the Church were in two points of view to be considered as too large. They were, he said, too great in reference to the indivi. duals by whom they were enjoyed, as well as to the population, for whose religious instruction those revenues were appointed to pro- vide. Whatever may have been the amount of the population for merly considered relatively to the revenues, it was not to be doubted that at the time of the l,nion it approximated to the proportion which that population and those revenues now bear to each other. Would then the House, from such arguments as those, agree to a resolution which would go to announce that in the next Session they would proceed so a spoliation of the Protestant Church. There was a property, the title to which had for ages been considered inviolable, but the honourable Gentleman con sidered that he could derive a precedent for interfering with it from the circumstance of its having been transferred from the Roman Catholic to the Protestant Church. But was that to be received as a case where the intention of the Legislature was to v ork an improvement in the Church with whose prosperity it had in that way interfered? Was there not on the contrary a dis tinct intention in the Legislature of that day to operate not im provement but subversion, and did the lion. Gentleman with ail his plain speaking go the length of avowing his intention to de stroy the Protestant Church of Ireland Were these peaceable and happy times to derive a precedent from that unhinged and tur. bulent period in which that transfer was effected. And was the rare emergency which had been referred to be recognised as a pre cedent fur every day legislation? He denied the alleged sacredness of private property in opposition to Ecclesiastical, and saw no rea son why it should not be as freely interfered with for the purposes of every Road or Canal Bill ; private property was dealt with as the public interest might require. He would not travel after the Hon. Gentleman duough the multifarious topics to which he had thought proper to call the attention of the House ; but there was one word which appeared to his mind singularly misapplied, viz., that Parliament should " resume" the property of the Church. 'Where had the Hon. Gentleman shown that the State had ever at any time possession of it? In the whole course of his expe rience he had never heard of so monstrous a proposition, but he was glad that the intention of it had been thus declared openly, and he trusted that the lion. Gentleman would find that he had few supporters in the House, and none in the country, and that the de. vision of that night would teach him to abstain from tampering with a subject calculated to excite uncertainty and alarm. Sir F. BURDETT, being very generally called os by the House, rose; he said the two grounds of opposition which the Right Honourable Gentleman had taken had completely failed him. He had set out with stating that the Resolution submitted to the House was inconsistent with the Act of Union. He (Sir F. Burdett) had attended as closely as he could to the article read, and he conceived that the Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Canning) was by no means borne out by it in his argument. His Hon. Friend behind him had not proposed to interfere with any that had been secured by the Act of mon—for it -.sari the religion, the doctrines, and the discipline of the Church which was so to be se cured, and not its wealth. He could not be guilty of the indecency of such a supposition. But, even supposing it were inconsistent with the Act of Union, was it to be maintained that that statute was incapable of repea l? If it worked for the mischief instead of the welfare of the community, was it to be permitted to defeat its own object ? As to the ides that the Catholics had any design upon the revenues of the Church he rejected it altogether, aod con tended that their objects were of a different nature ; they claimed but their rights. lie conceived that the property, both of indivi. duals and of the Church, were under the controul of Parliament, and were only to be regarded as Keened so long as any existing tage. disposition of them could be found conducive to the public advan- I - Me. TRANT opposed the motion. Although the Hon. Mem ber for Abe/deco said there would be no peace in Ireland until the Church property was diminished, be (11Ir. Teruo) entertained a far different opinion; Indeed he thought the Hon. Member for Aber deen was too fond of touching every subject, °nine genus (A Laugh.) Mr, Alderman WOOD thanked the Right Hon. Gentleman opposite (Mr. Canning) for having noticed him, lie assured him, however, that he had mistaken the expreision of the Hon. Member for Montrose which he (Mr. Ald. Vi'ood) cheered. It was the Hon. Member's declaration of his sincerity that elicited the cheer. (Hear, hear.) The worthy Alderman commented strongly on the enormous revenues possessed by the Church of Ireland, and con cluded by giving the motion his supmv.. Mr. Secretary PEEL said that as he rested his opposition to the motion on principle, he thought it right to say a few words. lie contended that the Hon. Baronet had not in the slightest degree shaken the arguments of his Right Hon. Friend, f alr..Canning— (Hear, hear.) It had been objected to his Right Hon. Friend, that he did not advance any thing against the second resolution that night proposed ; the reason was, that having most satisfactorily shown the impolicy of the first, bethought it unnecessary to go into any details as to the second. The Hon. Baronet says there Is nothing in that article of the Union just read to show that the Church property of Ireland was protected by it. If that sr tide be not against any spoliation of the Church property, let him read others, and he will find that they are expressly against it, for the Act of the Union which regulates the Representative Peer. age of Ireland provides that four Irish Bishops shall sit in each Parliament, and the Act names all the Bishopricks. He therefore claimed for the Act of the Union that it recognised the Clergy of Ireland. (Hear, hear.) Besides, lie could not but remark on the utter inconsistency of the lion. Baronet, who only a short time since introduced a Bill into the House, the very preamble of which sets forth the inviolability of the Church of Ireland, and provided that that inviolability be established. , (Hear, hear.) After some observations as to the Injustice of the proposed attack on the Church property, the Right Honourable Gentleman went on to say that he entirely concaved in the views taken by his Right Hon. Friend (Mr. Canning.) If it were satisfactorily proved that any abuses at present existed as to particular jurisdictions, such a. the Civil Bill Court, he certainly had no wish to screen them. He thought the speech of the Hon. Member for Montrose was intended rather as an answer to the pamphlet of the Bishop of Limerick than for any other purpose. rite Honourable Member fell into a great mis take when he supposed the Bishop of Linieriek meant to say that he (Mr. Hume) aas a fit associate for Hone soil Clrlile. What the pamphlet said was, •• that Members of that House de rived their information a. to the Church of Ireland from anony mous publications, which were more adapted to Om meridian of Fleet-street and Ludgate-hill than to the benches of St. Stephen's. or the pure air of Westminster." (A laugh.) I don't know, said the Right Hon. Gentleman, whether, if lie had spent this evening here, he would talk of the pure air of Westminster. (A laugh.) One thing, however, is now certain, that he alluded to the anonymous publications, and not to any particular gentlue man. (Hear, hear.) .Mr. BROUGHAM would confine himself tot few remarks, as he was quite sure the subject was likely to tire the House, from the length to which the discussion had already gone* he rose merely to observe on the speech of the Right lion. (lentleman opposite (Mr. ' Canning) and to show that he did not differ from the principle of his Hon. Friend (Mr. Hume.) Where lie differed was with respect to the first Resolution, and as to the inviolability of the Church, and God forbid t h at he should say that the Church had not rights, and that having rights wrong might not be done her by an improper interference with them ; but he thought the manner of dealing with church property . differed both in principle and practice from an interference with private property, thear, hear), and there i existed a wide difference between that peculiar kind of property ' and the property of an individual proprietor : the former species was public, without any violation of the word, as it belonged to a body of men not lass than than two thousand in num. ber. Another and a practical difference between that and private property was, that let a private individual do what he might with his property. he eid not forfeit it—it attached to him— I it travelled as it were about with him—it was inseparably united with him—he might hell or make away with, parcel out, or dispose of it in any mantic that pleased him (hear, hear), except he was pre. vented by a settlement, which, Indeed, was no exception. for that would be the act of an owner, and so far as it went proved his con trol over it. He might brqocath it cos, or it might ga to his eldest son, or some connexion of his ; but who was connected with the Parson of to4lay ? why. lie of to-morrow, and one who might be his mortal enemy, and that was what the Right Honourable (lentleman called the same thing as in private property. (Cheers.) Was there any man who would not call it gross violation of property and injustice, that a proprietor should lose his property, and give it to John O'Nokes, and yet they said to the Parson that be artist yield up his property to another who might be his most mortal enemy, or to one who might, perhaps, not then be in rare, nor even the marriage contracted from which he was to spring. (Hear, hear, and a laugh.) The great difference between private and public property was this, that the former was held without any conditions, and that there was no obligation imposed on the possessor to per form any particular duty. Now, the Church property was held by two thousand office-bearers, men who certainly were of great use to the country. That he by no means intended to deny—what he in sisted on was, that their property was merely a consideration far certain services to be by them performed. Those who called the property of the Church private, might as well say that the pay of the army was peeve property. The army was also a corporation —aye, and a powerf u l one too—(he a r , hear, and a laugh.!—far more powerful than he wished, or thought consistent with the i liberties of the country. (Hear, hear.) The State paid them, and most certainly the State had a right to deal with that property for its own purposes. (Hear, hear.) And new what had the State done to that same Church property ? On former occasions,—he did not allude to the time of Henry VIII. when the property was transferred from one Church to another, but to, what had been done in Scotland.--the tithes were crushed in the time of Charles 1., and vet lie never had heard that al onarch, who was the very head of the Church. blamed for interfering with the tithes. Was tithe never touched in Ireland ? What I WAS there not an Act passed in the Irish Parliament against the tithe of agistment--an Act which was intended to serve the large proprietor, and was a most unjust law against the cottier ? Thellact was, that had not that law named, the Union would never have been agreed to; but the Act of the Union said not one word as to the property of die Church ; it was merely to regulate its faith, government, and discipline. (Hear.) There was no fear of the property • that they will hold fast enough. (Hear, and a laugh.) If he knocked off a few Bishops, he would do nothing but what there was a precedent for in Scotland, for by the Act of the Union all heritable jurisdictions were reserved, and yet these wereftubsequently done away with by an Act of Parliament. The feudal constitutions were done away with, and the Barons reduced to the level of common subjects. With such a precedent he saw no reason why they might not meddle with the property of the Irish Church. He was not disposed to rush blindly into it, and attack it right and left (hear, hear); but that was no reason why they should not inquire: inquiry was all he wanted. The clergy were the stipendiaries of the State and, when the pro vision for them became too heavy a burthen, it must be lowered. When he talked of lessening the income of the Church, he was met by an argument as to the inviolability of property. Now suppose the House were about to make an alteration as to tithes, and that they could not get all the clergymen to consent to it. Suppose that 1,909 agreed, and that one held out against the alteration, then, most unquestionably, that one was apoliated of his property ; and yet the very opposers of those Resolutions would have no hesitation to legislate in the teeth of that opposition, though, if their argument, derived from the non. consent of the clergy, at present were gond for anything, it was as strong in the ease of onetdissentient as of 2,009 It appeared, from the statement of a writer, who styled himself by sonic such name as Philo Justifier, that the church lands were worth 160,0001. annually. He (Mr. Brougham) therefore thought it right that an inquiry should take place. when such an inquiry was likely to conciliate the Catholics, and not calculated to shake the stability of the Protestant Church. All his lion. Friend wanted was to get in formation ; and how do the Bishops act ? They (said the Hon. Gentleman) tell us that we are wrong as to the amount of church prdperty, and yet they wont tell us what the amount is—they pre. serves most persevering silence on that head : like the man in the play, they keep always nodding, but never utter a syllable. (A augh.) After some further obaervations, the Honourable Member appealed tothe Soliciteelleneral, whether at present a rectory could be unappropriated, unless provision were find made for the poor? for formerly, the profits of the rectory were decided into four parts, one of which meat ad suslentationem paaprrurn ; but in Ireland there no laws to provide for the poor, and therefore it was the more necessary to inquire into the enormous revenues of the Church Establishment. lie Honourable and Learned Gentleman pro ceeded to urge the necessity for such an inquiry, and concluded with an earnest entreaty to the House to support the resolutions of his Honourable Friend. Mr. Sergeant ONSIAW opposed the resolutions. Mr. HUME rose to reply, amidst cries of " Question." He thought the Right Hon. Gentleman opposite (Mr. Canning) rather ridiculed than answered his arguments. The first Resolution was then put and negatived without • division. Mr. HUME then moved that this House will, early in the next Session of Parliament, appoint a Committee to inquire into the nature of Church Property in Ireland. Strangers were ordered to withdraw, and the House divided, when the numbers appeared— For the motion - 37 Against it - 126 . - Majority against the motion - —B9 Mr. BIONCE withdrew the Labourers• Wages Rill. CUSTOJIS CONSOLIDATION BILL. The Customs Consolidation Bill passed through a Committee, and the Report was ordered to be received this day. BUBBLE ACT. The second reading of the Bubble Act was postponed till Thurs day next. GLASS DUTIES BILL. The Glass Duties Bill was read a second time, and ordered to be committed on Thunday. The other Orders of the Day were then disposed of, and the House adjourned at One o'clock. tiTAMPS ON NEWSPAPERS. An Account of the Amotti777Z , ps for Newspapers, in the Years 1814. 1815, 1816. 1817, 1818. 1819, 1829, 1821, 1822, 1823, and 1824, distinguishing the different years. GREAT BRITAIN. IRELAIfD. a. d. 363,658 7 7 363,695 16 3i 367.505 18 0 363,204 9 4 367,738 16 4 384.140 16 4 440.228 2 4 414,369 15 4 398,673 7 8 411,171 1 8 426,231 16 4 4,330,898 7 £ s. d. 1 . 19,080 0 2 20,417 0 4 21,406 18 11 22,1178 2 5 22,546 8 101 23,757 9 6.1 25.688 8 0 25,884 12 2 ' 1 X 01,659 0 5 TOTAL. X s. d. 383.838 7 7 183,695 16 31 367.304 18 0 362 364 9 6 388,154 16 8 403 347 14 3 463.106 4 9 436.916 4 21 422,630 17 2 436,859 9 8 432,116 8 6 7 7e • In these Years there was no separate Account kept of tl Amount of Newspaper Stamps issued is Ireland. J. C. BERRIES. Treasury Chambers, 31st May, 1825. SUMMER ASSIZES. OXFORD CIRCUIT. • Before Mr. Baron GARROW, and 31r. Justice Bvaant:ort. Berkshire—Monday, July 11, at Abingdon. Oxfordshire—Wednesday, July 13, at Oxford. Worcestmhire—Saturday, July 16, at Worcester. City of IVorcsater--Saturdry, July 16, at Worcester. Staffordshire—Thursday, July 21, at Stafford. Shropshire--Wednesday, July 27, at Shrewsbury. Herefordshire—Monday, August 1, at Hereford. Monmouthshire—Saturday. August 6, at 31onasoutb. Gloucestershire—Wednesday, August 10, at Gloucester. City of Gloucester—Wednesday, August 10, at the City of Gloucester. IRISH CIRCUITS. Iseinster—The Chief Justice and Mr. Justice Johnson. Home Circuit—Lord Norbury and the Chief Baron. Connaught—Baron Smith and Justice Vendalntr. North-Last—Baron ll`Clel/end and Mr, Justice Jebb. North-West—Mr. Justice Moors and Jrdo, Sure*. Munster—Baron Penner/idle; sod 3p. Aida worms, PRICES OF BRITISH Bank Stock 2313 3 per Cent. Red. 90 911 3 per Cent. Cont. 11 , tto'Acct. 91 • 33 per Cent. !O Si per Cent Red. 97 H l'ititES ttl F(DIGItt:s: Austrian Bonds (19 Gu. per sto 97;, Bruzi;ian Bonds 821 Ditto Scrip 11 dig Ditto Acct. It di. fluenos Ayres bonds 9 - 2 I 2 tolombian Bonds 114 Ditto Bonds (1021) 864 Ditto Acct. 804 f 4 ;: Danish Bonds Ditto Scrip (1825) din French Rentes 5 pr (,t. 1011.50 c. Eachange 25f. 111 c. Greek Bonds 474 8 74 Ditto Acct. 411 71 Ditto Scri2 (111211) 11 104 11 101 dis Ditto Acct. 104 4 11 dis couttsr OF EXCII Amsterdam C. F. 12 2 Ditto at sight .... ll 19 Rotterdam ....2 U. 12 3 Antwerp 12 3 Ilamburgh "A U. 34 10 A !tons.... 24 U. 36 11 Paris, 3 days l sight 25 20 Ditto 1 2 U. 25 45 flouvdeau it 9 5 45 Berlin 7 0 Flank. on Main Ex. 01.151 Petetsbureh, rble. 3 Ua. 94 Vienna,etlective 5. Ajf. 9 .54 Trieste ditto 9 54 Madrid 31 Cadiz 36 Bilbao 34 Barcelona 35 Seville 56 tlibrsl tar 31 ITOCKS YESTERDAY. India Bonds 52 pm Long Ann. 91i Ex. Bills, lid. 1.0001.30 Si pm Date, and!. 33 31 pm Ditto. :12 put Lottery Tickets, Inl. si'c WKS YESTE ttk . Mexican Bonds vsliale Ditto Ace:. 7f, Ditto Scrip (11125)3/ & j a dis Ditto Acct. 2i (1 I di. Neapolitan Bonds Peruvian Bonds 71 Ditto Acct. Ditto Scrip (1825) Ditto Acct. 5. ths Portuguese Bonds 88 Prussian Bonds 100 i Ditto Bonds (182 . 2 i Russian Bonds 95 47, Ditto Acct. Spanish pm. 244 43/ 41 3j Ditto Acct. 24/ / Ditto Cons. (1893) Ba / 19 181 Ditto Acct. 18/ 19 ►NGE YESTERDAY. Leghorn so Genoa 363 Venice ...... ....... Malta Naples 41 Pa1erm0........ —.per oz. 123 Lisbon Mf Oporto Rio Janeiro as Bahia Dublin Cork BULLION, PER Oi. P. d. Portugal Goldin coin 0 0 0 Foreign Gold in bars 3 17 liti New Doubloons—. 0 0 0 New Dollars 0 4 Ili Silver In bare, stand 0 6 04 THE HALF-YEARLY DIVIDEND on the GREEK LOAN of 800,MW. due on the Istly neat, will be paid at the Counting-house of Messrs. Lonehnan, Mon, and O'Brien, No. 19, Coleman -wee!, on that or any following day, between the hours of Eleven and Two o'clock. The Dividend Warrants, with a List thereof in numerical order, must be left one day for exami nation previous to their payment. DANISH FIVE PER CENT. LOAN OF 11,000,000 i. THE HALF-YEARLY DIVIDEND WARRANTS, due 30th June, 1023, of DANISH FIVE PER CENT. BONDS. In Pounds Sterling and :)larks Banco, forming part of the above Loan, will be paid at the Counting-muse of Messrs. B. A. Goldacbmidt and Co 5. Great St. Helen's-passage, Bishop's gate-street. on THURSDAY, the 30th inst. and every succeeding day, between the hours of Ten and Two o'clock ; and the Holders are requested to leave the Dividend Warrants at th it Office, whit Lists thereof, numerically arranged, at least one diy previous to payment, in c r ler that they may be examined. Cite Strittolt aa)rt. DRURY-LANE 7WEATRE. . • - FOR TIC: BE.NEFIT OF MR. HORN. This Evening. WEDNESDAY. June IS. will be performed TIIR CASTLE OF ,11VDALUSIA. Don Aiphonso, Mr. 'Woburn; Don Fernando, Mr. Horn; Don Cesar, Mr. Bedford ; Pedrilio, Mr. Harley; Spado, Mr. Knight. Lorenzo. Kies (Haddon; Victoria, Mks Foyer After which, A VOCAL CONCERT. In which Messrs. firsharn, Hum. Bedford. and Harley; and Mesdames Stephens, Dentition, Povey, Roach. and 41. Fisher, will perform. conclude with MY UNCLE GAHM! L. Lieutenant Sutton, Mr. Horn; Jack Reads, Mr. Harley. .4 RE.T init4 M, TREE respectfully informs her Friends and the Public, that her BENEFIT will take place TWa Evening. IVEDNEIrVAI June IS, when will be performed A ROLAND FOR AN OLIVER. Sir Mark Chase. Mr. Fawcett; Alfred Highdyer, Mr. Jones; Fixture, Mr. Rayner. Maria Darlington, Miss Foote. After o Web, CHARLES THE SECOND. King Cherie'', Mr. C. Kembic ; Lord Rochester, Mr. Jones; Captain Copp, Mr. Faweett. Mary, Miss 14. Tree. In the course of the Eveulng Miss Paton will sing "The Soldier tird," and an admired Sooteh Ballad. To conclude with CLAM I. The Duke Vivaldi. Mr. T. P. Cooke; Rolamo, Mr. Fawcett; Clarl, Miss M. Tree; Vespina, Mile Love. HAYMARKET THEATRE. This Evening. WF.DNESD kV', June 15. will be performed SWEETHEARTS AND WIVES. Billy Leekadoy, Mr. Liston; Laura, Madame Vestals. After which, A DAY AFTER THE WEDDING. Colanal Freeloye, Mr. Vining; Lady F. Freelove, Madame Yestris. To conclude with YOUTH, LOVE, AND FOLLY. Baron de Briancourt, Mr.Willlau;s; Floriniond, Mr.Vlnhillt Antoine, Mr. M Okinson. Arinette, Mrs. Humby. - - - ----- ENGLISH OPERA HOUSE. MR. MATHEWS AT HOME FOR THE LAST NIGHT. THURSDAY, JUNE 16. WITH HIS FAREWELL ADDRESS. ROYAL GARDENS, VAUXHALL. UNDER THE E•tPECIAI.' PATRONAGE OF lIIS MAJESTY. The W hole of the splendid Entertainments, which so much delighted the elegant Assemblage of Rank and Fashion on Monday Night, will be Repeated This Evening, WEDNEADAY, June IS, with additional brilliancy. The Gardens will he t superbly Illuminated, and the Amusements will be in c.oastant succession from Eight till Twelve o'Clock, u - hen the unrivalled Artist. Mr. D'Ernet, will exhibit a won derful Display of Fire Works, amidst whleh the Young Ameviegn will Ascend and Descend the Tight Rope, surroanded by a novel and mag nificent blaze of fiery splendor. Doors open at Seven. —Admission, 3s. 6d. TO CORRESPONDENTS. We won't' readily have given insertion to the Correspondence be tween the Secretary of the London flibernian Society and Mr. ()Tex NELL if it had not already appeared in another journal. It is an indispensable condition of publicity through our columns that we have the article in the fir,4 instance. The Blol'lllll Pails commenced publishing yesterday morning sit Si: o'Clock. LONDON, WEDNESDAY, Jcwz 13, 1821. The Paris Papers of Sunday contain as little news as those of the preceding day. IVe subjoin some further details of the successes of the Greeks. The Parisians arc still fully occupied with public dis plays and processions in honour of the Coronation. The KING anal Royal Family have visited the Opera and the Theatre Francais. They were received, as it appears from the journals, with great enthusiasm, and every passage in the performances that could be construed into a compli mentary allusion to the illustrious visitors, was eagerly seized and applauded by the audience. . _ The Duke of NO 10IUMBEIII.AND'S fete was to take place this day. The DAPPH a N and DAurntsEss and the Duchess of BERRY would honour it with their presence. It seems from all accounts that the project of the French Minister for the reduction of the Five per Cents. has com pletely failed. Very few conversions have been made into the Three per Cents. '1 he majority of the reeler, seem determined to stand out against M. de VILLELE, notwith standing his threat of paying them off. The Etoile, in order to account for the depression of the new Stock, ascribes it to the lirge sales made by Dutch speculators, who had, it would appear, been induced to purchase on the expectation that the undertaking would be successful. This explanation, however, instead of inspiring confi dence, is rather calculated to destroy what may remain. The opinion of the most intelligent foreigners is clearly against the financial operations of the French Government. The paragraph we extract from the Floik refers appa rently to some atrocious crime originating in what that Journal calls " liberal and philosophical fanaticism." The whole statement is so vague and obscure, that we can only gather from it that something has happened which the Etoile supposes the Jesuits can turn to their advantage. We shall be curious to know what this fact is, respecting which the Etoile manifests so much exultation. [From the Etoik, dated Monday, 13th June.) PARIS, JUNE 12. While theComstitutionnet in exclaiming against ever) which it calla religious fanaticism, we every day see eram of a &natl. clew whith is ninth more real, and much re gerom, viz. liberal and philosophical fanaticism. Among other instances that might be mentioned there is a recent one which the school of medi cine has trimmed, and the circumstances of which make one shudder. As the teibunala have before them the details of this hor rible affair, we shall wok for the proceeding", which they will insti tute pith their usual impartiality. We will net imitate our advet. wiries, who lay hold without distinction of whatever may verve their passions, and who do not fear to advarce the lathiest facts at the risk of retracting them in the sequel. IT en all the details. on which we shall at present be silent, shall be known, it will h , : seen that the crime of &Odell we speak has its Sou and incontestible cause in the effervescence exulted in young heads by those perpetual thsciamatiq; of revolutionary your_ nals, which under the name of Jeauitsevery day attack religton and its principles. • AIADRID, AIAT 30. The ofileial Gazette states that Ids . 31a/ebty, out of friendship for the King of France and the union betireen the two nations, ordered Madrid to be illuminated yesterday crewing in honour of the Colonntinn, and th at th e b e ll s o f J all the Churches elmuld be rung; happily the foie of St. Feridird and the King's birth -1 day are to-day ;we had, therefore % an uninterrupted werica•of re. jottings. 1 . (From the Cemarir,e former of Sunday.] !Carol.' DI ROMANIA. APRIL 28. A few Arcadian shepherds. joined to the weak garrison of NaVn rii.o, alone held the Menem f o r fi!leen days, against more than four thousand Egyptians. The enemy assaulted the place threetime., d i ' &appalled by a good train of artillery, bu were repulsed with considerable loss each time. Duri ng e fruitless attacks Ibrahim Paella landed at Madan, wi t h • forcemeat of three 1 thousand infantry and cikht hundred caved*. At his appear.. ante the besieged began to despair of holding out the place, when a body of three thousand Peloponnesians, whi c h the Government had taken ore to send into the Saudi of the Mores, erne to raise their courage. The enthusiasm became general, and victory: was no longer doubted. On the 20th April the vanguard 6f the Pacha was attacked by the Non of Mavromichalis, at three leagues from Neocastron. and was immediately overthrown. The Tuto r news Greeks, without pursuing the flying enemy, contented them- I selves with taking up their positions to expectation of the enemy. On the 21st, the Egyptian army, its pavane blocked up by the dead, the wounded, and the flying, encountered that of the Greeks, I and • general engagement took place, about two o'clock in th a ' afternoon. The Paella's artillery, served by Christian officers, suspended the victory for some time, but the Greeks gathering courage, broke the African ranks, which had begun to give way, proelnitned their victory, and pursued the enemy, now flying in the greatest disorder, to 31odon. There Ibrahim Pacha, after having lost half his troops and the whole of his artillery, is at preserit besi sieged by sea and land, without a hope of being relieved. The decisive victories of the Greeks by sea and land have been confirmed by official despatches to the Deputies in London, from the Provisional Government. The escape of Irritants PACHA from the Mores, was absolutely cut off by the destruction of the Egyptian fleet, and the supply of provisions he expected from Candia for his subsistence. had passed by an artifice of the garrison of Navarino Into that fortress. Dowsers, with a Turkish force under his command. had been defeated by Goy ItAS, to whom he had subsequently surrendered, throwing himself on the mercy of the Government he had so basely abandoned. The Greeks have now only to walk strait onward in the bright path before them. They have achieved the glerious task of working out their independence. As to any fears that some may entertain, lest the Emperor ALFIANDEIt should confederate against her freeilorn, it requires only to be well acquainted with the real Mate of Russia to dismiss any apprehensions from that quailer_ Neither her commerce, her credit, or her finances, are its a condition to prompt her to any efforts either of selfish ness or of chivalry to prostrate the recovered liberties of Greece. Outwardly prominent and splendid as her des potism may be, the internal changes which are rapidly going on in the heart of her own Empire, are sufficient to give employment to all her resources, whether of substen. tive oppression or of political prudence. Her immediate interests are too urgent to permit her to follow the lead of her ambition, were she even less destitute than she is of the meaus of following it up. The whole Continent, quiet as it is to all external appearance, is in a state of perilous ex citement-60 perilous indeed, as to mike any grand and open attack upon the reviving principles of public free dom in any nation a matter of very dangerous experitnent. The Cabinet of Peteraburgh is, of all the Cabinets of Europe, perhaps, the least able to mould, by force, the will of other nations to its purpose; those nho have a near insight into the machinery of this colossal state, know that it has quite enough to do to guard against the resulc of its own self-destroying powers. It is justly remarked,. by the Westminster Review, in an admirable article in its first number, (January, 1824) on the Politics and Litera.• cure of Russia, that "The preponderance which Russia has obtained in European poThics is derived, we have said. rather from the ignorance of other Governments, than from the real strength of her own. Omnipotent in her means of defence, she is feebleness itself beyond her own borders. The war in the Marco demonstrate: her weakness ; for if a mere handful of revolted GRESig, almost unarmed. and wholly unassisted, have been enabled to establish their iudepen deuce against the Porte, the successful stand against Russia made by the Mussulman Power, exhausted as it is, proves Itox smith per and delusion have exaggerated slut Russian influence. Her power neither results from the number of her inhabitants, jor from her pecuniary resources, nor from the talents of her rultrs, nor from the extent of her territory • but front her snowy and icy region, which, though it is a wall of adamant against attack, she cannot drag with her to the south for the purpose of attacking others. She appears indeed a giant ; but it is only a giant of the mist, which passes away before a penetrating vision or a rising sun. The closer ker pretet.siona are examined, the valuer and the more presump- Mous they will be found. Her finances are in a state of notorions dilapidation. Abroad (i. e. in the distance) her security ranks on the level with that of most of the continental nations ; and she ob. tins on the English exchange from eighty to ninety pounds step. ling of solid cash for one hundred , - rounds worth of her paper pro. miser, while in Russia (and where is the difference in the security P) the great mass of her circulating medium, issued indeed without controul, is at a discount of about seventy-five per cent. With this disgraceful and depreciated paper currency her provinces are de luged ; it passes for about one. fourth of the value which it repro. cents : yet so inefficient is the Government to carry its decrees into genteel effect, that the introduction of this rag money has been sue reasfully resisted in many of the eastern governments, in which no thing but metals will be received. The whole character of the com merce of Russia affords the most striking exemplification of her po verty. All her foreign trade is carried on by the capital of strangers. The shopkeeper purchases at a very long credit, while the (milks tor of produce is accustomed to be paid for it months before it is de livered to the exporting merchant ; on every side there is sacrifice to be made by the Russian. Meanwhile exorbitant and ilt•ad justed duties have covered the country with adventurous smugglers and defrauders of the revenue. What system can be conceived mole ridiculous and more oppressive than that which is now established in Russia, of making the weight of the taxed article the grade of taxation ? so that the more coarse, or the less costly the nianufac. ture, the higher is the duty enforced. The whole fiscal adminie. tration presents such a mass of corruption and abuse as can euntely be concerned ; it might be described in a few words as a system which gives to every individual an interest in fraud, and destroys every motive to honesty. Every custom-house officer, minted be yond measure in his salary, manages to spend twenty or thirty times the amount of his wages ; a fee is the passport to every facility, and there is no amount of dishonesty which way not be purchased for a proportionate bribe. In the eked and criminal tribunals—which are in fact little better than the records of the decisions of individual, rresponsible, cor rupt, and military judges—injustice is dealt out in the most_pro !trite contempt of evidence, and perfect disregard to shame. Paul --a-ho every now and then had a fit of benevolence upon him— made an attempt to reform these abuses, by inviting the commu. nication of any instance of wrong inflicted by the Courts. The im mensity of applications overwhelmed him with despair. He was not the Hercules to clean the Aegean stable, and his successor still less so; for it may safely be affirmed that there never was a period in which justice was more openly, more habitually prostituted, than during the reign of the magnanimous Alexander. And are not these causes and proofs of weakness ? Heaven be thanked they are. Rut let it not be forgotten--and this is the consideration which we would press on our readers--that the influence and the power which are only a vain usurpation and a delusion to-day, may by criminal neglect and indifference become a reality and fact to-morrow. • We think it is quite clear that a crusade against thy Greeks is not very likely to be undertaken by the political advisers of A L E I• ND E it, their forecast is much too rational, and his own judgment too sound, to meditate any hostile interference in that quarter. Let the Greeks but be united—let them continue to manifest, as they have hither.. to done, their capacity for self-gorernment, and their political advancement as a Christian Commonwealth will be as conspicuous and cheering as the progressive degrada tion and decay of the Mahometan power over which they have so gloriously triumphed. Our silence yesterday as to the new Spanish Loan was, we understand, misconstrued, or attempted to be misconstinetl in some quarters on the Stock Exchange. We certainl♦ should not have asserted what we have published on tb 4 f 5, 1 1 ~ t .1 ' 11/ 3 I 11 11 ) ) 1 ' ... k 1 '., .. „,- .. 4.. 1, . . ........ Iv li Ai • i f Ii