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' war taxes, the disproportim was equally apparent, ---rw----- for they amounted, in England, to 20 Millions, HOUSE OF LORDS, MAX DAT, Jac ao. while, in Scotland, they were only 1 million. The — 1 - total was, in England, above 59 millions, and. io Colonel I/Animater orented at the Bar the' Scotland, very little more than 4 niUlions. The 10th and MO Reports of the Commissioners of Property . Tax. in Scotland, produced only about Military Inquiry, which were ordered to be laid on 300,0001.. w hil e , i n E ng l an d, i t pro d uce d 11 mil the tilde. lions. lithe produce of the Property Tax be taken •• s — - "THANKS TO LORD GAMBIER. as a criterion of the income of the country, the in- The Earl of Livitarooi. rose, to inform the come of Scotland would appear to be about 3 ma llows., that, in consequence of a severe misfortune lions, which was less than the sum paid by that having befallen a Noble Lord (Mulgrave), now ali- country in taxes. This was also a fimaind for sap ient, he was induced to move, 4 , That the mount', posing t n i , tiit h ere w as a d ef i c i ency is the collection tied for this day, be rescinded from their Lordships' .of taxes from that past of the country. His Lord- Journals. leaving the male for the discussion of a ship reminded by observing, that he did not mean future day." to throw any blame upou Ministers, or to charge Lord daxnett.t.s had no objection to the post- the Chancellor of the Exchequer with neglect, ponemeut of the promised motion, provided the upon a subject which must naturally have eacited Rouse should have due notice of the time when hi, attention ; and he hoped that the Ri4lit Finn. that suhket should come under discussion. Gentleman would explain the circumstance in a The Earl of LivstnewiL assured the Noble Baron satisfactory manner. If, however, that should not IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. that such a notice would be most readily Knisited ; and the postponement was agreed to accordingly. GENERAL ORDERS. Earl GREY was desirous to obtain every intelli gence from the Noble Earl opposite (Liverpool), who were the persons alluded to in a former night's discussion. The Noble Earl, over the way. had stated, in answer to his own interruption, respect ing this impropriety of introducing Ilia Nlejesty's name; that His Majesty was not mentioned in any Other way than delivering the sentiments of his military advisers. Now, he wished to ascertain who were those advisers referred to by the Noble Earl ? The Earl of LIVERPOOL replied, with respect to the military advisers of His Majesty, it most be well understood that the Commander-in-Chief, and the officers under his controul, were, in the first in stance, the respoi.,ible persons, under that dennini natiou. But. at the same time, lie did not feel himself competent todeteriniue who were the first sur,gesters of the measure. Earl Gan, was anxious to know, whether the General Orders alluded to first. originated in the military advisers of His Majesty, and who were those responsi!le persons ? or were they primarily suggested by His Majesty's Cabinet Council ? The Earl of Livia/root was not prepared to an swer the direct question proposed. He had only repeat, that the Commander-iii. Chief. and the Offi cers udder him, comprised those persons deouuti !lilted His Majesty's military advisers; hot whether the first suggestion *llse front the Commatskr-in- Chief, n d was afteigstards approved of by fly Ma jesty's Niluisters, or: whether it originated w 4 the Cabinet, sail was afterwards recommender) Ily the Commander-in-Chief, he did not feel hiiitself at liberty to give a distinct explanation. Eatl Gage said, the purport of his inquiry had not been complied with ; and, from what had been stated by the Noble Earl opposite, on account of reasons best known to himself, he was left to draw a conclusion, that these General Orders did not ori giate is the suggestion of the Commander-in. Chief, but in that of His Majesty's Adminstra- GENERAL CAMPAIGN, The Margin. 44 LA RIIDOW:11, in cornpliance with the notice he bad already siren ofe (notice tusTburs day, relative to the late campaign. thought proper toobeerve, that, by the votes of the other House, a direct sod satisfactory inquiry would he instituted into the Expedition of the Scheldt. Therrfoie, as the calamities of that unfortunate Expedition would most probsbly come before their Lordships, in a jii dicial capacity, it had been recommended to him as discreet, and conformable to the dictates of pru dence and decorum, to relinquish the Web' - of mak ing, in that finest, any motion on that tradsaction, because he would otherwise create a disposition in their Lordships to prejudge the question. Vitt, in the mean time, as the subject now brought udder the consideration of the other House, would tibt street the inquiry relative to another campaign, he would on Monday next move for the production of papers respecting our military operations in the kingdom of Spain. AMERICA. Earl Gaze inquired if any objection would be opposed to the production of those papers, parti cularly a letter of the 10th of last April, respecting the general conduct of Mr. Erskine ; 'treatise he had in contemplation a motion of that tendency. The Earl of Li vaatroot answered, that, in the absence of a Noble Lord in the Foreign Depart ment, be could sot venture to state the particular documents which' might be produced; bet lie had no hesitation in making this general declaration, that no objection whatever would apply to the pro duction of any paper which related to the general conduct of Mr. Erskine between this country and America. be the ease, perhaps the House would think it right to appoint a select Committee to inquire into the subject, and he might.give notice of such a motiou ou a future day. The Cusoccmoa or the EXCItgaURR replied, that he was mat aware offing neglect or delay in the collection of the taxes in Scotland ; and the only reason for the difference noticed ity the Noble Lord, which he could assign, was, that theoptilenee of this part of the etatuitry trust have been greater than was originally suppOsed. The people of Scotland did not think their taxes lightly levied ; oe the contrary, lie haul very strong representations from a part or that country, stating, that a change in the mode of collection was absolutely necessary fur them, and that the scale of the lucerne Tax, with regard to them, ought to be reduced. Mr. HORNER said, the matter had struck him in the same point of view, as it had the Noble Lord. The amount of property tax in Scotland wits 324,0001. which of course settled the capital at 340,0001. This being the case, their permanent taxes, as it appeared ?root the report, amounted to more than their reel capital. From this circum 'stance he deduced that the property tax ens re missly and tardily colleeted. gIII)PLY. The House then went into the committee to which the speech of the Lords Commissioners was referred. Sir Jouw NRWPORT. at this early stage of the butanes*, took an opportunity of entering his prl test against- that part of the speech which seemed to pledge the House to maintain the war in the way it had been carried on, and endeavour to de fend Portugal. if this was not given up, he de spaired Pf the safety of the country ; and so far front that being the ease, if he might believe re port, %tops were 'chiefly tlO Of sailing fur the de fence Portugal, thought Spain seemed at length t i. to 4ie a ndoned. If this ..y.teui were persisted in, it could only be till, by the advancers( the enemy, se were forced to Ay to our ships, with a great waste of men and treasures. Sir J.. Moore was of opi nion that Portugal was indefensible, and all army retold only he kept there to gratify a Noble Perim, (Lord Wellington), whose assistance Misdate's Mishit probably have obtained at the price 'of his I being allowed the logger to exercise his Vice-Royalty. fie, boa ever, protested against burdening the people with the expense a a great army, fur the purpose of obtaining any assistance to Ministers. - The Custectu.sa of the Extueousa observed. ' that the Fiteu‘e %sold not be pledged by the Pre ' sent motion to any system, but merely to furnish fits Majesty with a supply, over the expenditure of which they bud a coot toed. After sit explanation from SirJ. NEWPORT. the question, that a supply be granted, was pot and carried—the Rouse resumed, and the report was ordered to be received to-morrow. CRIMINAL LAW. Sir S. Rom 11. xv moved “ That an humble Address be presented to His Majesty, praying that there might he laid before the Rouse a Return, for the years 1805-6-7, and 11, of all persons committed to the several gaols in England and Wales, distin gnashing the crimes with which they were charged, date of their committal, &c. Also, Returns con nected with the above, sheering the fate of these persons, those who suffered capitally, died In pri son, were transported," &c. ate. The lion. Gentle ! man then gate notice fur Friday next. if the bun ! mils of the House permitted, that he would sub ! not a proposition with respect to capital punish kluenui. - ties. STAMP OFFICE. Mr. WHITBREAD. seeing an Hon. Secretary op :mote (Mr. Wharton), wished to know whether the re,;ulations in the Statsp•Office, suggested by wont smelters stated by hits to the House, in the twice of last ~talon, had been carried ii.to effect ? and also if the other abuses in that department had been rectified ? PLACES IS REVERSION. Earl GA031%1'4011 gave notice, that he should take an early opportunity of bringing under the consideration of that flour. the grants of sinecure places iu reversion.—Adjonthed. Ml. Wusartio said. the business was now io miss, and would.seey shortly be easspletad. AMERICAN NEGOCIATIONS. Mr. ' f kir . lit rearm), sr there was SO much import ant business before the House, would not name any particular day, for bringing on the question be had proposed to submit fur the pmductiou of pa pers connected with the American negociations. SINECURE PLACES. - Mr. FULLS* gave notice, that lie would, on this day fortnight, move for leave to bring in a bill for the abolition of all sioecureplaces, in every part of the empire. after the death or the present once pants. (Hear! hear! cad a laugh!) Mr. (Aix, gave notice for Thursday, for leave to bring in a bill to amend so much orals Act, passed in the 48th of His Majesty, as related to stamps on banker's checks, sent from a certain distance. SCHELDT EXPEDITION. Lord POILCHESTER moved, .4 That a mes►Rge should be sent tothe 'loused Lords, to request their Lordships would give leave to George Baron Gor don (the Murtois of Iluntly) to attend the Com mittee of the House of Commons, on Friday, the 24 of February. appointed to inquire into .the Scheldt Expedition." Agreed to. Mr. lionNea gave nonce, that he would, on Thursday. move for the production of certain ac. counts illustrative of the state of bullion in this country. _ _______ NEWSPAPER REPORTS. Mr. Waltman wished to poi:it Got to the notice of the House, a matter which, io his opinion, was a breach of their privileges, sad in itself highly Nut SE OF CUMMONS. Lord lons Tit suss presented at the Der of the House, His Majesty's Ammer so the Address. It was read, and contained His Slajtsty's thanks hi the House for their ex pressions u( loyalty and •ttnchnsent. Mr. W•aohe unused, " That there be laid before the House, an account of the annual expense of the Royal Staff Corps, for the three years ending alt January, int.% and several ether papers the same as contained to h is motto s o f last Sesanin."—Ord:red. Tile CNA NCILLOR of t►c Etontgt ens ease notice, t►at, on Wednesday next, he would loose for t►e appmntment of a select Committee, to consider of the moot accurate pro ceedings witY respect to private Rills. FINANCE. _ _ On the order of the day fur the House going in to a Committee of Supply— Lord hlmintr rose to ask a question of the Chancellor of Exchequer. He said, that, at • time when the weight of the taxes was so much felt by the people, it wu very important that they should he eqntilly distributed over the country. He had been mach struck. In observing, in the finance Ac count] of last yearahe very small propor p oti which Scotland coatribisted to the revenues of 'the coun try, though that Mlle Financier, Jlr. Pitt, 4 4liheu he imposed the Income Tax, had estimated the tax able revenue of Scotland to be one.eighth of that of Egglaud. Instead of which, the produce of the p-rrnaneut and anginal taxes in England amounted to inure t h an 39 millions, while the amount of them itt Stytlaad was lade more than 3 sailboat. la the indecorous es well as false. tie alluded to the publication of Lists Of the Gentlemen who !plied oh% the first night of the Session, which bodied seen' in a Morning Paper of the 26th of thirmontli.— It was not of publiiihing the nataesetliat . hr com plained, but of thVinode in which it was 44e , Ve cifyiag those whoWpresentrd counties pad, popu lous boroughs, and putting, as a title to, die two lists, to the oue those who voted fur itiquiry into the late disasters ;" and to the other .t. those who voted igr alto theould nut but sup pose this to have arisen from inadvertence ou the part of the Editor, and therefore did not intend to ground any motion upon it ; but thought it neces sary to notice the mutter. for the purpose of setting it right, and putting the publishers of newspapers upon their guard against soy similar offence in fu ture, whirls would call on the Howie to inflict the severest punishment. It was a direct misrepresent ation, and by it, !se, who was always a friend to the fullest inquiry, was held forth as being against vt. Mr. CLUMSY did not think it was any breach of the privileges of the House, to publish lists of the Members who voted for and against particular questions; so far, indeed, was it from being so, that, in the reign of King William, a good time to refer to, such lists were absolutely ordered to be printed. Mr. LAICISLCES said, the complaint was not for publishing the nauies, but for distinctly misrepre senting the motives of the Members who rated. Ills name was there inserted as tieing. against in quiry, whereas, he had stated in the masse. most explicitly. that he considered it to be absolutely necessary. Mr. WILIEKFORCK wished the practice of pub halting names, and every circumstance connected with their proceedings, to continue. But those wbo took this upon thetwelves, might to take care that they were correct. Jii the list alluded to, his name wits entirely omitted, so that it might be thought he was not attending to his duty ; which, ever since he had been in Parliament, except when prevented by indispneitinn, he had anxiously endeavoured to fulfil. Re had also been munch misrepresented in two Papers. The characters of public - men de pended 4 restly on the representation of their speeches in that Halite ; and if these speeches went forth in the Newbpapers, tinged with party motives, he couldconceive bathing more destruc tive of justice, and the constitution of the country. He', an enemy to party of all kinds, was much in jured in this way. as he was unfortunately without friends to take care of him. j A laugh.) Ss much had he been misrepresented by the public prints, that he weld ar•onished he had not tart the confi dence of his constituents, though lb part of his parliamentary conduct coutd ever liar's! exposed him to that loss. Mr. Pontos BY mid, he hail root consolation in observing one thine, from the Callversatiuts of this subject, namely, the anxiety that appeared ia gen tlemen Nom the opinion of their constituents.— With respett to the reports of their proneedienra ; they ought certainly to be correct, and auy wilful perversion ought to be panished ; but the evil was not so ditEco!t of remedy as gentlemen seemed to imagine, fur they had only to rise in their places, and correct say misrepresentstion which they • thought affected them iii the public opinion. The Cosmccr.t.ou - of the Eicozottom was sur prised 41i the opinion expressed by the night Hen. Gentleman, that Members of that House had no thing to do, in cases of misrepresentation, but to corny down to justify and defend themselves in their place:. Wav !bat sdiguitied way to prrserve ,their privileges ? The Right Hon. Gestltitiau had to. inflamed. that there was a feeling of greater tepid fur the opinion of their conortoehts evinced uow than at other times. lie could smoothing to jus- tify such a slispicion. lie was inclined ro s ins le nient in eases of unintentional error; ba t if all misrepresentations were to lie corrected by Mem ben in their, places, then those winch were inten tional had still the same power over those very cor rections. With respect to the goad time of King William, the Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Creevey) seem ed to he mistaken. It was a very different thing for the House to order lists to be made out, and fur persons, allowed to attend their debates, to amine that authority. He, however, thought it would be better not to notice these errors at all, or to punish them, when they were coaplained of, with greater severity. Mr. Poisson:iv explained. He did not say there was no inconvenience in being misrepresented ; and the Right Hon. Gentleman hied grossly misrepre sented him, in imputing such an opinion to him.— IA laugh.) Mr. Wutennuan aninsadverteJ on what had been said with respect to the sensibility of mem hers at this moment, as to the opinion of their con stituents. It had been said, that, *boot the end, the sth or 6th year of a semon, smisibility al ways prevailed more than at other times, end he did conceive that a feeling something similar was now pretty generally shewii. Gentlemen had at tended more to the feelings of the people en the se. coud day of their meeting than on the first. It was true there was net a Gentleman who might not complain of the reprint given of what he said is that House, hut in his opinion it was much better not to take notice of these things. The Hon. Mem. her for Yorkshire had no more rileson than others to .:unsplain. If he was ill attended in one paper, he was well treated in another; end, like other inem hers, from the representations contained in differ. , eat papers, of him and of them all, the maid/ was enabled to form a pretty accurate opinion both as to their abilities and integrity. A more lam, cent breach of their privileges than the present he could not conceiv,. The names, if properly stated— (Hear! Aeorfl--Gentlemen seemed, es they did the other night, to draw nice distinctions, but a ease had never occurred in his memory, where there were snygsod grounds for complaint. There could be nothing mitre conducive to the safety of the State, and,the weal of the country, than that every thing done in that H ouse , every, sentiment ex pressed, and the vote of every Ifiettiber, should go forth to the public. After a few words from Mr. Ranues and Mr. MANNING, The SPEAKER observed, that he wits not inelincl too soon to put Nu rod to • conversation which re lated to their privileges.; but submitted te the jo.lg. watt of the House, sfiether, on the present ucca- !ion, it had oat , proceetled•to en tette% ' might with the utmost propriety l:e ' . • BREACH LOP 'PRIVILEGi Mr. W. W. WYNNE, After stating his opinion thd. it was a high bre..eh of that .Houtierete call nn any Mem for his vote; and•that the Lord. of had been guilty of this offence, in tem Cochrane to state the grounds on Which to vote against the thanks to Lord moved for a copy of the letter from t' of the Admiralty, of 29th May, Ise% der issued for Lord Gambier 's found a future motion on this subject, The CHANCELLOR of the Recur object to the production of the papers but thought nothing could he morel. far the Lords of the Admiralty, oil the vote of thanks would be object( fiver employed on the service, to sentiments, in order either se snspend motion, or, if necessary, appoint a ( The question was then put mid tallith LORD OAMittER. Lied COCHRANE said. he would" lessens which induced lies *seal . Lion of the minutes of the Court-Martial Gambier, before the Moose cense Thanks for the services of that Note Lordship then went into a stetentent Lions against the enemy in Resque eused Lord Gambier of two distinct lay—of not attending to his signet, ed to, would have enabled them -more of the enemy's ships ; of sever the signal to attack, but only to assist had attacked, and were in distress; more careful' of his own fleet, than destroy the enemy. He thee - evidence before the Court-Martial, tradictions in the testimony of the Cakdonia, tad other witnesses; and ... the conduct of the Court was inconsiateid justice, and they ought to blush for . 0 - - They had certainly given Lord credit for his anxiety and solicitude nervation of the Belted) fleet.—w: iety and solicitude?—He defied ilsein an instance of it in the attack in Ronde. He pledged himself to shew deuce was incorrect and contradict , nn Ministers to shew that thaoks before they tequired aloe House to Let them chew hien a precedent being thanked fur anxiety and celled on the House, in the name to base 'the minutes produced. would she*, that the Court had been ,• grossest partiality ; that the directions the Deputy Judge Advocate, std !- the Cuurt, were illegal ; that evidence contrary to law, and was admitted grescest contradictions, on oath, face of the proceedings. Ministers desk their own misconduct tinder to Lord Gambier; though corrte the appointineot of Commanders great way is the nevy, yet .they they must be answerable for pledged himself most strongly to he had asserted ; if he failed, he would , not only fo vacate his seat in that Hoare, into His Majesty's hands the honours stowed upon him, but to retire to tempt of every honest man. Let Mi, same pledge, and he would meet concluded by moving, " That the Ganibier's trial, and the original petty Judge Advocate, Jamie! be House." Sir V t ßeencrr seconded the mote . The oedema put the qiiretton„ Captain BIERINVOID said, he s a s Court-Martial, which hnd toren su . by the Noble Lord. He knew every end every witness, and more honou: believed, never existed. All the ' just as he had given himself. He fair, and was convinced, that, had wishes been attended to, it would him destruction of His Majesty's fleet.--(I Captain wee called to order for *sir races name, and not allnding to hi the usage of Parliament.) He mid tomtit° speak in PiatiiiMent. tie era sea than ri,e to address them. (4 loaf beard Admiral Stopford's Oise, Mr Captein in the Beet ; men of the and experience; en 4 they were 0011101 i. that, if Lord Gauthier had Noble Lord wished, he would hub', self, lost his ships, and consigned • French prison. (Hear! hear!) — (Cochran..) hail performed the semi able end gallant manner; 'but he te accuse • whole Court, sad every a pieced On the occasion. The Natal, to have forgotten the Minnie, in . the chart for the purpose of nide! He (Capt. B.) had given his evid4 officer, and hi was sure he coal.; weaker. Sir J. Osne bore testimony to meter of grimy of the officers who sat bier's Court-Martial. Was the 'Jur aria motion to try Lord Gambier or Hal in that House i The former tried by as honourable men as this vice could boast; sad, if 00 temp be laid, be would vote against the General Loretta thought the 11 eider well, before they adopted a ta4 to the service both of the Army become a precedent for dig it Martial, takes on oath, raneci:l4 ground for such innovation. Mr. LIMLSTOIII instanced the Morrie, is 1744, is shies the HOl the proceedings of a Court-Marts thew purtisl. and Meet ininsteemere p.O Sneer!, they or,-.14 the merits tri the Court, hot they lc for 'wet voting thanks to bird Gait Air. M r mod. that ill used in their I ite debrte is fru papers before they voted for ultir cable to the present que.tion, necessary a ground before they pr:.4 , , fore serer, to wh,ch - 1 1 .Inuited? mr GE. o f ttr it at some l eno he of the • m her - to act oso he I the Admin.* ti'Pu* equirinrof Log h.r.i for hich heinten44 Corer r l i . a o 4 rd ,on G v a l o alic : cove lOmU Ol the Stennis ised 109., and hie 4, I T , ect. sekcint be f did et ; I pen mowed - h T y ', p. • p econantent,the , not etet n on learning tip rev i ev ted 'tot,' sort , to u iniwii(ituueheatilibiened' :rueirdenbL't 2 • he • ow tes, L a te r ewitial i i C h ed , . aurbichuneaus..__ ,_rii.iancletiituaheayr,ilkti".t.frstniMa.tier;ei ilf t liciajo e etraicintp a n rilmehro c iatieeLwi e tpth t t to deur; kir „maim yes having woe di oat such aich th as; Reg of Jasn) tUe i t e Pki4who: M intn vi t st aned er illatit : d of +rt: u c l I Y ; Ind aslfertrd, ord. inconsistent ri b oo t tl km what they • - ft .„, 00 ft I Gambier cane fu de about tie rid he d V hat was bit diem to gin lug the die awes." hew that the • Sir F. ictor), and ;.- - salting s were dom. to grant t• pint, IA it for an • I. carat solicitude. rake in eof the r.. srdlncry From thee If he its wen goilty of as ettre „ t o nne gins b e , that Id ucied are trey an ridtrace was t stood r ed ; and that , %hawk , , appeared oo rector. ten were tot ty eatee u rote of t r honou4 rupt illurace loan re !FS might r "ow of ` would find • Moo, a their *t u I With n o pone Uw otte could he c ti House, ved the seat onoun he had tolostic the meant It was Minister gin was foi them ferry. thew LI minutes lii qiured I copy of tie Mlle • • kid before over tit vend pi notion. Noble • proseci sea witanem Ming, I u broadly • might ery mambo he tniiy, 3oarrbie ore, triiti 1)) SettieKell kindly mw the *bar tuakiiit Lord C lie floc have ended" delay, __w ere the neared using Lord of the h r m il *i hie ~ a ls iti rildh " : ,, j a r ga i nic e 7 i th ait ' le r. v .. ttratihemelete i w ii ( t thing gr ,. s t er t c Adteir umunatee'll '' Tim rad dant shit the rid ve diagraY l ' hall be Ins pout ,to as —The Noik almost vice ia Hiseig he ought uet ed. r ot.r.ruso at the note Lend shoals o itch he ell the ▪ ( 11 "; the pre tienee God cc not have • menu fame to the hit at Tra two 61 eacul l to pre (mein, with t may p heard ships: sink, I hral.! lug am nip t.f hit the sp The at rt sr t Noble ul s'it t I. l i t o :o ll ev r e , 16°1 of I , 1 6. 64 1: Ado B ° 4 the B eat- " hen M.I6 , Lk , ' 6°l h'leMt onistht °ri b his CI 0 OK arm tct u.ll' 0( b'' 6 1 '41 , , I n.tr,r"e aaul, infaraoll. fleet? ;Keeled tort P. I