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t t . Ttdernnity, if properly drawn up, wad/ be yard/ preferable to what the Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Las celles) proposes. We both agree upon the general principles of the law, and we only difer upon the peculiar circumstances of the case.' Mr. LASCELLES, in explmation, said, if the House should think proper to agree to his proposi tion, it might be made the ground for a Bill of la deninity. Lord CASTLEREAGH thought the proposition of his Hon. Friend (Mr. Lascelles) was much pre ferable to that of the Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Whit bread). and the general objea of the House would be fairly accomplished by the amendment which be then proposed, and which was, that the words " not conformable to law, and ought not to be drawn a precedent," should be inserted. Mr. GEORGE ROSE made a few observations in answer to the charge grounded upon the circum stance of the warrant being dated previous to the minute beineentered upon the books of the Trea sury, in the case of Mr. Jellicoe. Lord GLENBERVIE admitted he was a Lord of the Treasury at the time of sech minute. but he could not say positively, whether be was present or not when it was made. His only reason for supposing that he was not present was, because he was habi tually absent from the Board in that year. He did not think, however, that any blame attached to him on that account, as, though the Lords of the Treasury were five in number, three constituted a yuorom for all purposes of business, and he seas oc cupied at the time more usefully for the public.— (During these 1.:0 Speeches the Q u estion woi tenuity called toe). Mr. SHERIDAN—" I rise to ask only a single question, the answer to which may save the time of the House. The question is, whether, in the event of adopting the Resolution of the Right Hon Gen tleman ( M r. Lascell-s), it he not his intention to ground upon it a Bill of Indemnity ?" Mr. H. LASCELLES answered, that it would be still in the power of the House to pass a Bill of Indemnity, and that the Resolution, if adopted, might he made the preamble of the Bill. Mr. GREY—" I do not wish to move any Re. solution that might affiea the honour, the cher-atter, or the feelings of the Right lion. Gentleman (Mt. Pitt). 1i re merely to propose a measure that may answer the views of all parties. I do not agree to the Resolution of the Right Honourable Gen tleman (Mr. H. Lascelles), because it is not sufficiently full, and does not adequately describe the fa&s of the case, and also because it con veys an implied, if not a direa approbation of the cnndn of the Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Pitt). If a Bill of Indemnity, stating all the faces of the case, he agreeable to the House, I would approve of that course." Mr. Grey then read a Resolution, stating the loan of 40,0001. to the House of Boyd and Berfield in the year 17hti, with the consent of Mr. Pitt, to assist that house under peculiar circum stances, that the House approved of Mr. Pitt's con duit upon the occasion, &c. and that a Bill of In demnity should be passed, reciting such Resolution as its Preamble. There was a strong expression of disapprobation against this proposal, end Mr. Grey did net press it.) Mr. THORNTON said that the house of Boyd, besides being engaged in extensive mercantile con cerns, was at the time of the loan of lio,Onol. agents to ‘ the late Imperial loan, and also to the Imperial loam then in course of payment to the amount of upwards of 100,0001. The case was not therefore dangerous, on account of precedent, for there was little probability of a mercatile house being placed in a like initiation again. He then entered into an explanation of part of his evidence before the Sara Committee, and concluded with observing, that it was not surprising if Mr. Raikees communication did not mike a deep impression upon Mr. Pitt's mind, as he and three other Direilors of the Bank, then in the I louse, to whom Mr. Itaikes said he mentioned the circuinsience, had not any recalled. ion of it. It must of course, he presumed, have been mentioned in a slight way, and not as a very serious charge. Titre lion. AUGUSTUS, DILLON thought there was very little sl.derence between the two Resolu tions, and should agree with that of the Right Hon. Gentleman on that side of the House (Mr. IL Las celles), it followed kip with a Bill of Indemnity. The House now became very impatient for the question; when Mr. CA.NNING arose and said, that the House having entered into the discussion, there were two points upon which they ought to come to a decision, before the. parted. The one was to charac terise the Ail, and the other to provide that it shall not be drawn into precedent. He thought if the House departed a single hair's-breadth from the Resolution of the Hon. Gentleman behind him (Mr. Lascelles), they would give up the former of the two. Mr. WINDHAM was not fully prepared to say whether the conduit of tne Right Hon. t ;entlemen (Mr. Pitt) were right or wrong. At present the inclination of his mind was that the aa was wrong, and that the plea of necessity was nut sufficiently made out—/ Loud colietuer). Had the case stated been made out at the time of the loan, he would not have concurred iu it; but he would not say that he should have acquiesced in not le.iving any record of the proceeding. Although a Member of Admi nistration at the time, he was perfealy ignorant of any such transaiion, and not being fully in posses sine of its merits or demerits, he should recommend thia a 1;111 of Indemnity be brought in, without any farther discussion of them. "tile AT FORNEY GENERAL said it was due not only to Mr. Pitt, but also to the constitu tional jealousy of the House, which the Gentlemen on the other side wished to uphold, to specify the chareiter of the Af. The mode proposed by his Right Hon. Friend (Mr. Cinning) was, in his opi nion, less liable to lead to precedent than that of the Hon. Gentleman (Mr. H. Lascelles), which states the illegality, but expresses no disapprobation ; thus leaving the precedent acknowledged, without mark ing it as an irregularity. He admitted the candour of the Gentlemen opposite (Mr. Pitt and Mr. Fox), but if that eandeur were to depi ive his Right lion. Friend (Mr. Pitt) of his justification, it would be converting cseclour into a more formidable Weapon of hostility than the most violent opposition. His friend, however, was not to be deprived of his de fence and protc'tiva by their meilcration and can. PRICE OF STOCKS, YESTEIIDAY. 3 per C-nt littlueed •.•.•5 9 1 1 4 per Cent. . ‘,.. .751 Ornnintn emit°le fn • 59 'rli E BRITISH P i(.ES'. LOO 110 N. SAI URDAY. J 0.142 15. ' We learned last night, from a respeaahle quarter, that Mr. Par means to dissolve the Parliament, as he finds he cannot carry any measure of consequence in opposition to the Aso:soros patty. We should not be surprised, however, if a coalition between Mr. Pier and Mr. Fox were to prevent the re cessitt of having recourse to such a measure. The moderate tone assumed by the Opposition last night, upon the Motion against Mr. PITT, gives some consistency to this idea. By a passenger in the Nola, Indiaman, which left Bengal 71st January, we learn that Lord LAKE, had got possession of the Fort of Den g in the month of December. eof retreated to and made a stand at the Fort of bitutaporn, which was immediately attacked, and on the loth attempted to be stormed ; but the breach being found impracti cable, the party was obliged to retreat with conside rable loss. Colonel M•iri. A ND, of the 75th regi ment, who commanded, fell covered with wounds. L•srd LA Kt write., that he has no doubt of getting possession of the place in a few days, and that it will reward his brave troops. Hoag A R'S troops are coming over in great num bers, and there i s great SCASeII to ledicb.., that, wi%2 • . , the fall of Buitapo;:r, there will be Cr. career he has endeavoured to negotiate. !int. %tin ? , an usurper, no proposals but subi.lission will he ac. cepted. An Exeter Paper, of Wednesday last, co :taro; die following paragraph : •t EZETErt PLYINf. POST-orriCr. " Twelve o'Cl.ck. Wed lieieay N-ett. " We stop the press to ciinininitirate the fo , lou nig hop tent intelligence, sve have just received from our Corte. spondent, at PI y mon t 4 . Plymouth, lVudnesday, , lame 12, 3 p Last evening tided front the Hal•tein Danish East I n d,. man ifr.at Madrts in 19 weak:, which lay to for two hoots the Sound, and then patted up), an Officer of the lion. LAa Company, with dispatches from the government at M•d , a ,, d o the India Howse. lie lauded at the pier. They were sent off by a speAal express, front Messrs R. and I'. Birdwooritk, Iv* to the Company at this port. It is s:ortfitlmtly said they ontitaift accounts that Holkar, after his last defeat and the diip,r.ion of hit cavalry, by G••n. Lord Lake, wit s clot . ly puisitzti, as t o be obliged to take shelter in a tntid fu-t, and was surrounded by the British troops, to whom he mita soon surrendzr. G o . rural Lake was at the ',twee period miles front K ar ib a ,. In the evening, dun etc ab•wr cypress by the Minim, the Star South Whaler, of 11 guns - , aimed w.tn u sh er put onboard her at St. fieliata only six weak; since, said to be dophrates of the abiive." The two namhurgh Mails, dne Wednesday night and Sunday last, have arrived. We hate made from them the followi.:g extrae VIP.NNA, MAI' tn. It is now determined that a large camp, fiir the exercise of Vie troops, shall lie formed in tl e plains of Pcttari, in Stirii. Eighteen reg;men:s of ia f.tntry, and six of cavalry, are crilerci to C•is ramp. Thtf whole number of troops assembled them will he from f.io to 67,,0a0 men. It is sail that ow Archduke Clinics will commind in this cans . --!. that General Mark will be Quarter-Master C Besides the camp at Pettari, a second rail . formed near Treviso, wWch c"nsist 40,110 men, or all the troops in Niah, and the Austrian Italian provinces, and will he cummauded by the Archduke John. The particular regulations riro. posed by His Imperial Majesty are, however, not yet known. A I.t.eward Island Mail arrived on Tuesday at Falmouth, in thirty-two days, from Tortola. By the nacos. Castle packet. arrived a F.il mont:c from Jamaica, accounts have been received of the loss of the Tarear frigate. The Arosterdaw frigate, arrived st Fortsmoutic, sailed from Antigua on the sth if . Nlay. The Sa i raik, Ito atssos, from St. Vialc. n .'s. for London, was captured on the s Ist of May by a Spa::- ish privateer of 16 guns. The Jaen frigate, which sailed from Cork icntt.c il3d of March, with the fleet under convoy !.): tl:e West • Indies, arrived at Tortola or the 10th of M with f cur vessels nndcr convoy bnu.id to St. 'l' u mas's. The Jaunt learned at Barbadoes that the combined fleets were at sea. It was reported last night that an account had been received by a Foreign Mkister, that an Atte:ll7c has been made to assassinate 8041, sari at Milan. Anther person, mistaken by the assassin fur BONA PARTE, has been actually killed. The usurper him self has escaped. It is reported that a proposition has been made by BONA PAU rs for the restoration of Peace, on say terms consistent with his own honour and the wel fare of the French people. Combining this inti:::i gessce with some reararks in the Zierich off:. paper of the Ist instant, it looks as if such te:7 had been suggested as were altogether iiladmiss: as a basis; that they hare not been listened to— . hence a recurrence has been made to his favoel . :- expression. The Treaty of Amiens, the wh.".! Treaty, and nothing but the T. eaty." The teinforcement received by General Fes card) firm the Rochefort spradroo, has proved the sa fety: of the thy of St. Domingo. Th, TA V LOR, arrived last Saturday, at Greenock. from New link, in thirty.two days, has brought intel ligence that on the sth of May accounts reached that place of the defeat of the Em?eioor Desss :so ca. The French squads on threw 500 men into the city. under General La GitaaGl., uho, with the troops under Fears asp, ma-le a sortie en the tian:. and destroyed ;shout one-eighth of the arms. DLitt 4 Lin es, in conswpsenae of the iti.teat. had gives up all hope of reducing St. Domingo, and retired to the mountains with his army. Tire united talents of Mrs Joao,. w, Mr. KEV• et E, and sir. Ccoes t will he exerted on MondaY, night At Covent-Garden Theatre, for the benefit r: the aged and respeCtable Mrs. Macrttsts. Mr. Is- COCOON has kindly offered his msistance, and, it will not be Mr.. Bactissorotes fault, if she ,loes t. t give her ',sirs on this most laudable occasion. T rescue declining age from indigence, and bestow it a competence, is an ae wcazhy a British puhl::, who never want the inclination when they possess the means of doing good. .000lit‘EXIMANGE, Ft ipalr,Jewe 14. The Markt:l is alumg rrithu.d fresh arrivsle al Chain in en neral to dry, but erre; suppla"mf furor,. of wrerrotr, und dln.r.y guar)? r;.n3'nio:: on haa 3. It u:r•rat lea. per Qu't lower than 1.34 week; rho lutle of Tina that it br0 14 4 13 * 1 " 40 f d 1 as utruo.d w.rnout r.arlra, nr al! Orannat et rot it ;OS M lit trade It dull. We enntinue u. , 'l ala .Ort irtre'y of Oeir 8 , 14 f.sur samples fetch rather Lettur p.iEe. I ,, nt-r in Pi g "' Itikiea of Sacoods. CIIRRENT PRIM? OF GRAM vVh,a 9 , Irt G 2.. 114- 11 , 4 k. .4 4, 50 4 S F.N.-.1... .564. 911 04 tick Haas 4O. 45 .5, (0, R*e.. 44 . V).. 04 Oct 241. 4945. ~ Bilifley .304 SC.. 0. 1 . i Pulail.l4 ........54. SI or' 7‘l4`t w ~ h, r,..‘, 444. 49a CO 11:1 4 Flew .... 75% re.. 0 Oyer Peat 401. 451 Od. Se-...xf , 6 5, 71; ge• ___.—...kt by ORORGE DAVICISON. r — d Wych atrret, St 13111111111 a, ael I'itte,9l RYDER, at the Ogee. Nu. IS , R.cit of St C1e.14 1 ," t1 Church, Strand, YAWS (I. Jiprs for the Pape, tc. (1 44-1. " sal lmt duly itt,,,Ood to, "nl~ r 4 ry , - ,.. 0 ti,,, f••• p , .•1 V l l 's : TICMS 7. `-=" eiolatims of the Ate of Parliament, yet I do admit, that he, under the peculiar ereurristances, was not staually Called neon to ermine into every clone of the Al. With respell to Mr Jellieoe, Ido most sincerely agree with the Right Hon. Gentleman, that lenient measures might have been the best ; the tenderness which was shewn him I do not complain of, it was a peculiar circumstance, and motives of compassion were very justifiable reasons ter so act. inn; bat my Honourable Friend's (Mr. Whit bi complaint was not of the measures adopted, but that the Treasury did not take sufficient notice of the teanseaien in the first instance ; a consider able balance remained, end a considerable balance was allowed to enema's.. This, then, I say, ought to have been sifted to the bottom by the 'Treasury, before they glee the order for the Writ of Privy Seal. But the principal point in question is relative to the 40,0001. The ground on which I lay the blame, and the 1 round on which the House will express that blame is this : if you allow the p: oposition that the general rule is to obey the law, Vett the public trust is not to be violated, you are t een humid to use the money of the public as the .i. of Pothament shall dirtier the Parliament alone : re to be judges hose that money is appropriated the general rule therefore is, to obey the aft, and eppropriete the money as that rill shall dire& It has happened mare than once, that navy money has been diverted to Gillet than naval purposes; the present eosbplaint is with respea to the motive for di vertleg that moneyelliere may exist circumstances when the general nee requires to be dispensed with, but it mint indeed bet a very extraordinary case which could indoor me to admit of such a proceed. in ; a wry considerable mischief may arise from a violation of the law. The next question was. whe ther the circumstances under which the loan was made to Boyd and Benfield, were a sufficient jirstie teeor to a deviation from die Aft at Parliament? I anderstand the application seas made for the loan, on the very morning of the day on wLich the pay moos were to have been made. I cannot help ceasieering the situation in which the Treasury tein mood, as a very serious one. Could it be that tee whole credit of the public relied upon that hoarse? What secretion must the country be in, if wholly relying on theta ? Mr. Boyd came to Go ys:int:sent in the most threamning manner, " Here am I, on the eve of peyieg my instalments, and the whole inereenele credit of the country is at stake." I think the very application, and the very time of waking it most alarming. And this brings me to the re-al part of the cases the whole of the pecuniary part of Government rested on Messrs. Boyd and -Vecfield, and every thing was to go to wreck to support them And if the .10,0001. could not he lent to one particular merchant, the delicate state of crmmercial credit was such, that the public credit teal solidity of Governmert itself depended epos it. How has the Right Hon. Gentlemen explained this? He has said, than if Mr. Boyd had Aired those securities to others, he could not borrow money on them ; but if he sold them out, it would have had such an effea upen stock, that the funds must be Ins eyed; that the ruin us the country must follow. He had scrip. why not briegehet into market ? I presume it would not have s ild ior nettling. The • tanserissioners for liquidating the public debt would :have purchased. Theo the 40,t Arl. was not lent for the purposes of Government, but to secure general credit. I eienot see any der.g more mischievous, and it naturally leads to bad comequenees. Messrs. Boyd and &mend were Members of Parliament ; they are powerful Merchants ; but the Aka is not their wee. but their assistance acid accommodation in pecuniary matters. It amounts, then, simply to this : relieving a Merchant at a period then his fel; might affea net only a great number of indivi duals, but the greet commercial interests of the country. The conseqamme of all this i, extreme parolees: ; pe: tiality to the Minister. There is a peat del - creme between a house ennneael with the Minister, and an independent house, I do not mean to say tieit accommodation is not to be given it some particular instance*: for example; we know that a considerable loan teas made to the %Vest In. dies; but it was under the authority of an Aft of Parliament. In the present ease, however, we Lind a violent breach of the law by a public >errant ; ha: I admit that I feel this to be an extreme case. I ask, then, why he did itot come to the Nouse and ask a Bill of Indemnity ? The simple contrea Wes martoted to them, and .here was no impeopriety in commie tc Parliament for an indemnity. At a period when these affairs are all at an end. why not come tar ineenteity ? 'the Right Honourable Gentleman has said teat be felt tan compunetion of conscience upon the sub's& ; but be who respells his country. he who loves his country, who knows there is a great ntspensibility attached to him, ought to feel a . com• putiencin. It must be a load nn his mind, which should induce him to come for that indemnity against his responsibility. Why then did he act co ne ? Washe not anrious ? He bas said it did nut occur td him. I ask. why net occur to him ? I now first hope this will be an example to others; and I am sure the Right Vkrrithu :able Gentleman has not done it intentionally. As to secret trantat. tions, they sooner or later must come out. Sup pose this motet had never come to light, and that his successor, not quite disposed as lie was, might do an aft of corruption. What would then be tied ? why here was Mr. l'itt, he who Was cried np as an example of purity and integrity, why he has done all ;Iris! 'f hey will state the reel, and say why not you do so? So much for precedents of secrece. See whether it is not possible, and whether the circum stances arising therefrom are not horrible ? Some may be misrepresented ; but a concreted aft may go further than any one would have originally intended. The proposition before the House is, that such a mode of proceeding. if even expedient, might, with out notice to this House, be a precedent of the most injurious and dangerous consequences. I said no- thing of the Bill oi Indemnity ; the plan and form of a Eill of Indemnity must be formed very care. telly, not to justify the aft, but the motive. Upon the elude then, all I wish is to distinguish the all *torn the motive. There is no suspicion whatever is this ease. that there was any corrupt intention; but a violation of the law. which ha bad hands must le a t i tLie mint cerium and fleerant abuses. I Re _Ales . mark the distinaion between jeto n. --- " w r: .nduet. It is not for political eel•inc: taken this step. it is for justice and public example. et I - ;deices. Ido think a Aid of dour. His eaio, be thought, was fail, honourable, and fullyinstified. Mr. VOX. in answer, thought the imputation upon his candour was ill-timed. He never raid that •he Adt was positively right. He only admitted that, though wrong, it might have been done with a Vinod intent. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL, in reply, oh- • served, that! the candour of the Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Fox) would have the effect of hostility ; but he had not charged the Honourable Gentleman with meaningit should have that operation. Mr. WILLIAM SMITH arose, amidst aloud cry for the question. He considered the evidence in justification of Mr. Pitt defeaive, as it did not shew that the house of Boyd had attempted to sell out their Scrip in small portions, which might have been done without depreciating the article, and also because Mr. Pitt WAS content with the mere word of Mr. Boyd, and made no inquiry into the neces y of the case. Mt. H. LASCELLES said, as the sense of the House seemed to he in favour of a Bill of Indem nity, he had no objeaion to such a course. Ile then read his resolution, which he proposed as the preamble of stieli Bill, with the proposed Amend ment of Lord Castlereagh, stating, that the act, though not conformable with law, and, as such, not to be drawn into precedent, was ja,tilied by the pe culiar exigencies of the times. Mr. WI LBERVORCE approved of the Bill of Indemnity as indispensably riecegsary. An indem nity, however, implies a j ustiticati ui of the ati, and therefore he objeacd to the words " not to be drawn into precedent," forming a put the preamble, as they would go to tie up the hands of future Mini sters from doing that which, though not strictly le gal, circumstances might require. The MASTER of the ROLLS said, if the House thought the Apt justifiable, it was wrong to say it should not be drawn into precedent ; and 4 it were not jastifi al", it ought to be marked with censure. A Bit of Indemnity, in the present case, he conceiv ed to be a m utter of indifference, if nut a work of supererogation. Lord CASTLER.EACH did not think that the words t , not to be drawn into precedent," would operate as a restriction upon future Ministers. He approved of the resolution of Mr. Lascelles, with a Bill of Indemnity. Mr. 1304) approved of the resolution of Mr. Lascelles, with a Bill of Indemnity. The Hon. C. HUTCHINSON arose, but the de mand for the question, for some time feud, now so much increased as to prevent his progress. At length, raising his voice very high, he sail, " I will go on (land roughing); if Gentlemen think they will put me down in this way, they do not know the individual whom they attack. No Gen tleman, in or out of this House, shall treat me in a manner Ido not deserve—(/mid cough'ng). If I am disorderly, let any Gentleman arise, acid shew me in what respell I am so." Tile Hon. Member then proceeded to state, that the resolution of Mr. Lascelles implied a strong approbation of the Aft; whereas, h- thought, that the ecndua of Mr. Pitt, in not disclosing it immediately, ought not to go &va with applause ; and, therefore. he should support the original motion.—The House became clamorous fur the question before the Hon. blember sat down. Mr. WHITBREAD then rose to reply. He adverted with point and effect to the imputation upon his candour, and other charges, in the course at the debate; but he dwelled particularly upon the assertion, that the house of Boyd coul i not have sold scrip to the amount of the 40,0001. borrowed with out hurting the market. The securities deposited by that house with the Minister. consisted of tree sory bills to the 4111.‘Ililt of td,oool. navy bills I i,oool. and India bills 10,0001. ; all of which were negotiable ; so that Mr. Boyd had only to sell out Set fp to make good the difference between the 140.14;:e of these securities and 40,0001. 'life question being now vehemently called for, the Gailei y was cleared to: a division. but none t co!: place, as the Resolution of Mr. Lascelks with Lon! l'astlereagh's Amendment. wasagreed to upon condition that a 11111 of Indemnity should be brought in. 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