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Commons, for the indnlgenee slid forlreirance which he had experienced from them upon this sub ject, and fur that countenance and support which had encour.sged and animated him throughout the whole of these discussions. lie took his leave of the subject with feelings of perfect good humour tow.irds the Bank Directors, hoping that this might lie met wills corresponding feelings of good humour 'on their parts. If. however, he should be &sap pr..nred in thi. expectation, he should console him aril' by thinking, shut he haul incurred their dies pleasure in coiowritience of what appeared to lOm Ist he s conscientious discharge of us great public duty--a principle—a line of csiiirloct —which, so Jong ars he should hold a seat in tin% liouse, no con siderations of I. persuoal nature should ever induce 'Lim to swerve from or abineluns. The Bill was thirst read is third time, end passed. . . VV.:ERUPT REGULATION MIADIN N SS' IT II moved the further consider ' ation of for Bankrupt Regulation Bill. Mr. TENNYSON wished to have time to consider • iforticular t !ruse, and hoped the Honourable Tierttlemass would flu another slay for the consider- *lion of tlw Itepott. Mr. J. Slllllll was exceeslinstly sorry that hit floe. Frirod should tei.h to delay this measure. No Ilill IA ever been more scrutinized, more ob jected to, and, he would more unfortunate than she percent. We were stow at the close of the Session, mid if the delay of another day took Idaer, it would tint be difficult to anticipate the fate of the Bill. The Bill had been scrutinised in detail in w•Committee up stairs, in a way few Dills were, and 1)4 Hon. Friend himself had been present in that Committee. Elf expreesed his hope, therefore, _ _ that his Hon. Irriend.would not press big opposition to the Bill now passing a stage. Mr. TVIIIITSON explained. Ur. AVROTTISSLST raid, every el ,sae bud been scrutinised in the Committee wp stairs with the .greatest attention. it would be impoasible fur the 11111 to pass thus Session tilt wus delayed one day lotteer. After tome farther observations from Mr. .1. Sattsti and Mr. Titnxison, the Report was taken too consideration. sad the Ball ordered to be read the third time on Monday next. _ _ EXCISE . DUTIES. The'Clitawczumo of the Excitrquett mowed the third reading of the Excise Duties Bill. 141 r. WISTERS felt himself bound to oppose the third resoling of this Bill, not merely from his •own 'tense of the of the country to hear the burdens now thrown on it, but because lie had re ceived communications from every part of the curio try, urging him to oppose those tun, and stating the ruinous consequeuces with which they would he attended. Much tool been said on the subject of uses affecting the rich. The distinction less m ore apparent than real; for taxes on the poor must itiesi tidily be felt by the rid', and lases on the tiCh Inuit -diminish the funds for the employment of the poor, end consequently affect them as well as the rich. BA nrtninly the more immediate operation of these taxes would be Best felt by the lower classes of the re0p1e......by those whose 'weans were already so in inlequate for their proper support. For this res tos' hr objected to the tax on intik. which would told easily to the price of en article consumed by I tAn, Ile objewill to the tax, as throwing as heavy louden nu the lower orders. and press ing with peculiar severity on an article of the first neceirote.—The new loxes. in all, amounted to time indiums, and two millions of them were on articles, the consumption of which was of she impi.rtance Ili agriesil'nee.....there being i,50a,000/. on mot, um! 500,0001. of additional duty on Ileitis's spirits. Were the Dame aware, that at this no 'Tient there was no less a suns than mine millions (4 taxes on malt, beer, end British spirits The r tiert of this heavy taxation mu malt must hare the edict of diminishing the consump tints of that article, and consequently disniuishing she growth cf barley. Did the !louse recollect why the official duties on molt had been diminished ? it was because it was known that the weight of taxer l:a.l but the elect of the con sumption of malt. In twenty-five years the eon raimptiosu .14 malt bad begs reduced one-fourth. •lts 1799, and ten Succeeding years, the averatze iseesornotion of milt was 3,390,000 quarters. For Vie . ten rears, ending 1016, the average conmnip. Zino oas only 2 907,000 quarters ; so that, at this la.t peliuil, there was a reduced consumption of 4120,000 quarters. But it appeared from papers on the table, that it, iu comparing the cousumption of th e two periods, an allowance were made for tlir mires-e of population in the latter, the consumption of 1816, in order to be equal In that o f 1793, ought to bale been above 4,200,000 quarters. Did not that clearly chew. that sv lieu taxation was carried beyond a eel lain point, it bad the fleet of consunip. flogs ? The Isere saw the most useful articles for the consumptiou of the people of this, country °positively reduced by thr operation of this tax. In she prrio.l commencing with 1;90, the 1.• ce of bit.- ley aas 31-. the quarter, Hari the duty ius. a prai ser. to the latter period, barley had advanced to 40*.. alien at the virile period the duty bad advanc ed to U ',der there circumstances it was thou.. lit sweessaly to take off i tie increased dsity. By the im position of taxes at the present moment the (loose were taking a dangerous step. Whatever effect sought be ;produced on our finances by having an actual ainktint fund, as coutradistinguished with an imaginary stoking fund, he thought any advantage ter hi- derived from this would lie bought too dear 11,!thisg to she burdens of the canonry. Ile did to underrate the resources of the country ; lint at the present time lie thought the best policy would Ire to husband them, and sot to press too se verely nn the people. For tins reason he objected to Irby third reading of the Bill, and ire was deter sn.i.e I to take the sense of the linuse on it. Ile concluded with moving as an amendineot, that the 18.11 he read the third time this day six mouths. Mr. Oao said, he did tint think that he should be 4 acisar4iug Ins duty, if he did not protest in a snore !urinal manner than by a silent rote aoaiiist the 'amid Bill. Ile could assure the Right lion. tlentletus.i opposite, tlert this uppish did Hot originate w any a ant of confidence in the present Allita.try ; he could assure them, that his conduct could have been the same bad the measure been p.ipipull by those its *Wit lie hart more confidence. nthnsg could, sit leis opinion, justify stay additions! burdens on the people at the prtiont moment, t V Mr. PALMS'S! , pointed out the great loss must evidently fall upon the monsters. in conse quence of the proposition for laying a duty on the stock in hand. Considering the price at 'which lie purchased his barley—looking to the greet redor lion in the value of melt—sod tokitt,e, into the Account the expense incurred in the manufactore of the article--the loss would not be less than 43;. a quarter. With this pressure weighing him down, the maltsier wool(' nest year crone into the market with Isis 'whelp. The consequence was, that lie would not be able to give credit for a single quarter of malt. It was perfectly well known that he purchased barley when it was at a very high rate in the market—at tot average rate, taking several months, of 63..5.1. per quarter. I:t the begio- Mug of the season barley We% as high as 804.—it fell to 74;.—and in the month of March, it was 625. per quarter ; but stilisequentiy it had fallen very much, a circuitistaoce occosioncrl by the vast 1111- pOrbllloos of foreign barley. In the c:surse of four weeks, not less than seventy-four thousand quarters of foreign barley were imported— which, of course, °erasion-it a d epre e l Ainn in the price of malt. This alone caused a con siderable loss—lint the !imposed tax on the stock in hood would be artenulcul with PO almost I unions expense. If the m ulster hod laid in his stock, for !tor:insp. of frel11:1!Ion—illie had not purchased his barley snider eurennisLonecs which he could not controi—then there would be some shadow of rea son for this additional in point of fact, large gnatitities of malt hod been left on the mann facturer's bonds, in consequetice of the fluctuation that had taken place in the price. Loral EURiNCTON corn ol rifled of the extrava gantly large sum which the colleetion of the Excise at present cost the (-nuttily. The sit nits io that departno tit winnowed to 103,0001. per animus, touch of which, lie was confident, might b r saved. Ey adopting measwes of strict retrenclittout and economy, such savings might be slfectrd fly would render the additional taxes quite unnecessary. Ile 'moral, in the next Session of Parliament, that seri ous attention would he rad to the collection of the revenue, and diet sonic distinct measure would be carried into effect on that subject. It was time to slww to the public, that the resolution to economise, which had beets so much talked of, was not a mere boast, rot- rt preterea eMil, but one th it would be acted out for the benefit of the country. Sir It. WlLsoa said, lie would take even this, the last opportunity he supposed that would occur, again to express his total dissent from the measure of tax.vion which w.ss now before the House. Mi nisters knew the distressed and impoverished state of the country, whatever they might pretend to the contrary. It was rumoured, lie believed more than rionottreif, Ilia they were iu possession of informa• tion, relative to wild and crude schemes of redress, not emanuting from the people, but devised by insidious instigators ! How could such inceu diaries hope to filod victims to their arts, if the people were not gnarled almost to de spair by the miseries which were inflicted on theta? " The last feather," it was said. " was I that which broke the horse's Kuck." Perhaps the burdens now about to be imposed could not be borne by the people. It would be well, therefore, for Ministers to consider, whether, for the. sake of ,a sperulotive financoll benefit. they vsoulul deter mine to pursue a system which would probably lie accompanied by military execution and souguittury manislitnents—which would perhaps occastoti the blood of their fellow-citizen's to be shed. mud must cause great and serious encroachments on the Coo stitution. if it did not cud iu its total destruction ! Mr. C. Lotto said, the statement of the Noble Lord (Ebuisigtori). with respect to the expense in curred in the eollection of the reroute, was not cor rect. The account to whir h lie hid referred was very incorrectly mule out. Erroneous comparisons bad been made with former years, which could not stand the test of examination. %Viten the regular accounts were brought before the !louse, they 'would prove that a very consislershle saving had, in fact. been made is the collection of the reVtolle georrally. lord EBRINGTON, as we tondcrstond, said that Molly-three new 'appointments had been made, at an expense of 12,004. a year. The (hose then divided—when there appeared— Fur the 111 igiital motion 134 against it Majority The Bill was then read the third time and passed. The CHANCELLOR of the Ext 11EQUER proposed a clause to be added to the Bill, by way of rider, which provided that any brewer who should conceal or carry away any wort Or wash, fur the purpose of avoiding the enactments of this Bill, should be sub jected to a penalty of 5001.—Agreed to. Mr. CALVERT said. he rose to propose n clause to exempt certain persons from the operation of this Bill, who were very peculiarly circumstanced. Ile alluded to itidivaluals who hail heaped malt on their floors, during the very hot weather, which had, iu 4 consequence, become putrid, and was, conserpient ly. very touch deteriorated in stable. lie hail apeciaitii of it iii his pocket —(4 /cough )—which would enable Cemlemen in cotovince themselves of the troth of what he a•-erred.—(llere the lion. Member pulled out a moll specimen haf, , , which oc casioned considerable langhter.)—Uanlairse 11,14 was very ludicrous to those who were toot concern ed—but the persona w Lose malt Isad grown pit trio], and who found it an u IMO trailk had no great reason to joint to the merriment. Th,..yr vinien he had produced was part of 250 qusriers of malt, which had been uttered to him tot 35±. per quarter under the price of good molt. Ibis malt would be subject to the high duty now about to be laid on the stock in hand, unless some exemption was made its favour of those who possessed it. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, lie could nut agree to a clause granting a general ex emption of this nature. Ita cases of extraordinary and accidental hardship. oil proper application, and after a due inquiry and investigation of the facts of the case, relief might be granted. But as to n clause operating against the potyment of the additional duty on stock in km& it could toot be conceded— for, iu fact, ll* individuals made outs case of hard ship, they would be as much entitled to relief from the old as the new tax, It would be better, therefore, to give partial relief, where citeumstautcea required it, especially as it specific clause would volubly lead to considerable abuse. Mr. CA tvEnT said, be would not press die clause, because the Chancellor of the Exchequer load given him relivoll to hope that malt of the description he had stated, would, on proper representation, be exempted, not only from the additional duty of 94, 43. per quarter, but that the old duty might I f be remitted also; he should, therefore. satisfied with this intimatiou, refrain from pressing the clause. The CHANCELLOR of the ENCHEQUIR said, be bad merely remarked, that it was possible such a ease might be made out as would justify granting a certain degree of relief. Mr. Cesi.vvire said, he would now propose • clause to protect the interests of certain persons which would be affected by the regulation respect. jug the drawback on beer for exportation. It was not intended to grant the drawback on any beer which was produced from less than two bushels of molt per barrel. Nitwit beer wits, however, export id to the East Indies , principally, if not altogether, by one house, which was brewed iii the proportion of kss than two bushels of mall to each burred. It paid the strong-beer duty, and yet, by the clause to which lie had :Moiled, it would lint, on exporta tion, he entitled to any drembAck. lie should tlier•rOre 1110Ve "Thit all ale and beer, not twine porter, on which the fall atilt, tot strung het r, •Ilsll lie Old, 111111 w lIICII shall have bees lort-tv,4l hon. any tistootsty of too li, It,, thous Iwo bushels the birrel, soul susiesokul for essturiatton to the Emit loth's, shall lie allowed the full drawback alluwt - J tot beer fur expor tation." The Cif,taccEt.tott of the EXCHEQUER, as we mler.tood, expresstil a doubt whether heer, pro duced from Its: than two bushels of malt per bar rel, could he intended for exportation to the Last Indies. Such beer would not have body sufficient to keep during so long a voyage : it would be little else than small beer.—( A Magi.) Mr. CALVERT sunl, Gentlemen seemed to laugh at his expense, but lie would turn it against the Right Non. Gent lelll4ll. slid prove that be was a better brewer than the Chancellor o f th e E xc h eque r. —(A langh.)—li was not the milt that prtscrved the beer; on the contrary, it was the oleaginous and saccharine qualities of the malt that decayed The bitter spirit of the hop, and that atoll-, pre i the beer. The preservation of the Minor by on me ins depended on the quantity of Mull usril J 111 des fornuation. CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, the argument of the lion. Gentleman went to this, that snail beer was stronger than strong beer.— (Much langhter.) Mr. CALVERT said, small beer would keep quite as long as strong beer. It depeaded on the pro. portion of hops used, with reference to the quan tity of malt. and not on the quantity of malt alone. The clause was then negatived without a diet- Sion. . . Mr. CALVERT then moved. " That in the clause imposing s duly on the stock in twill, the slim of Gd. be inserted instead of Is. 2tl. per bushel." On this amendment the Ilouse divided. The numbers were— - - - - Por the original clause 134 Fur the amendment filejorit! ..... 90 NEW IPOsT.OFFICE. On our re-aditsisanni to the ~.Mery wo found Mr. BANK LS On his legh, whether %trios sere taken to induced a coitipetiitoo uniOutg-t persons capable of executing that v,i-t work. the New Poot office, ru as to have it built at thr tea , t expense ? ()r, whether it WWI Ill'OpflSCli to deliver the work into the hands or the weliitect, who was suplaiseti to be now connected with the eitabliali uncut ? Air. LUSHINOTON >< id s that the Postnisvter-Ge neiul had towel: an opportunity for competition. An advertisement had been petite:heft offering it premium of ecom. for the best plan, and lOU/. for the second best. Whether the erection of the building should be given to the architect who made the hest &rasing, was it matter still under consi. tieratmi• PARLIAMENTARY REFORM. Sr. F. IltutoETT Kuve 'littler, that he would, on Thursday next, submit to the motiou on the sohject of Parliamentary Reform—and, on Frio'..:y. he woultl bring forward Mr. Malliostin's claim fw retntmeratioli, on Hecouut of his inven. tiuo of a Life Preserver. PARC A. Sir C. MONce. in aver;inw tone of voice, in quired. we understood, wilt titer the Noble Lord hall otjtction to lay before th-t !loose, some itd ditional documents on the subject of the eqbl,loll of ? Lord CASTLERFAGH said, all the documents connected %%ith the proceedings of 1815 and 1817 Lwd been grunted. Sir C. Ilutick raid, he believed there was in. oilier Treaty or instrument, fur the production of which lie was anxious. BANK OF ENGLAND CASH PAYMENTS RILL. Mr. PrEll. said, that when the nal providiog Inc the resumption of Cash Payments by the Hank of England was before the [louse, an tion. Grin leman (Mr. Ether) had moved sill amendment, providing that on the 1,4 toe Bank shinild have an option of paling in hnllinn, at a ceilmii or in the regti'o4 t nil) of the realm. To this amend ment an amilidnie,t had since been made by the !l o os e of 11..,1 1 1.. 'Their Loril•hins hid made au alteration, mit in the principle it the ['anon/able C;entlemait's amendment, but nieleg i di respect to time. 'rite riiither amendment ivy. that, instead Itf li3iik having the option. trim the IA of ~lay, 1821, It stiniihl continence Item the t or May, Is 2.2 —conorrigriltly, the paying in bullion ‘iontil be ittiveriitive for one year longer. The Right Ilon. Gentlein.in then moved—"Th4t the Lords' amendment to tills Rill be now taken into consideration." Mr. ELLICE said, he would oat object to this amend own I, although hr t lin n i t ht the con rse lie had proposed of thus Fortner oceohion, eras piefer- slily to that adopted by the House of Lords. The reason lie Still thought so was ilia on which' lie ' orivially proposed the amendment. In the first piney. as si very long twriod Itad been proposed by the Committee, before die Bank should re. turn to payments ill specie, he thought they ought to hive the power, if they pleased. of inseitsibly Inking up their owe and Seco poring, mutes. nod removing dint part of the sy.tem wlni:h must be first abolished. before they cosil.l ietorn to gene rut payment* in specie. The 3111rtidilltilt from the • '• :* Lords acknowledged, se far, that the Principle on which he acted was correct—and lie was quite pre pared to accept even the itinzorlinent they had sent down, rather than lose the beiietit cif the clause altogether. There was also a possible rave which lie meant to provide agaiiost by the amendment. It was this t—Seppose, in consequence or en undue contrac tion of the issues of the Bunk of England, a great increase of the circulation of the precious metals took place, the market price of gold might fall be low that at which the Bank were to bay in bullion. If that were the canoe how cool., the public carry on their transactions T By this Bill the wily pay ment allowed was in 13.111 k Maes of ber, of gold— and it should be recollected, that bars of kohl were not a legal tender. iudividurls must then take their money to the Mind, aiid have it coined into guineas. These would dud their way to the Bank, the great reservoir, and there they would be locked np by Act of Parliament ; for, by the Bill, they could not pew in aortae until a ((insider:llo'e period hail elapsed. Tkere was number very strong circumstance connected Svit4 the measure, namely, that the Bank were not compelled to receive those iiigots, but the public were obliged to take them. 1.) oiler these cireinn , thoces, the, public, tinder the Bill as it originally stood, might he deprived of alt currency. Ile stated this as possible—and that possibility sliewed, %liar. in proposing the amend ment, he was pint 11011111'd by any captious feeling. This Bill had for its object the greatest alteration that could be imagined or discussed in this coon try—and, in his opinion, if it had been more simple and open to the cmintion underatanding of persons interested in its eller:is. there woutd have been a much greater security that it would operate in the milliner that was contemplated. Mr. NIANNING spoke iii a tone of voce so very low as to be nearly inaudible iii the gallery. We iiiiilerstoorl him to complain of the Manner in which the Bank Advance Bill had been hurried through the Illouire. Observations had been made on the telidetiry of the Bank unnec . sly to interfere writ the concerns of the Goverionetit in purchasing and eilvimcing money on Exchequer Bills. The practice of the Bank had always been directly the overrate They minutely and carefully attended to t:ie dirt ctiona of the Legislature. 111 every Etches ( ier dill, Bill th it viaa passed. a clause was miter! , ed, rrsirictine tlee extent of purchase to which they might proc , t , eil, and the uttnoat care was takeii not to go beyond that parliamentary license. 'this system of borrowing from the Baok, for the I tlll/11C service, was lint court ..l by them. So fir back as the year 1697, he fupind a reference from the Lords of the Treasury to the Direr-tots of the Bank, requesting that they would, " fur the public servtce," snake such an silvance. In 1701 the Loots Commissioners of the Treasury called on them for a certain sum—the Directors answered Imam ttttt usly, " that they were ready to make an tolvalice at their Lordships' desire, in furtherance of the irob!ic service, as far as wits consistent with their aituat t ." He knew not how they could be blamed in the present day. In 1906-7, when Lord Grenville and Lord 11. l'etty wet e at the head of the Administration, a letter was sent by the Lords Ciositniasionera of the Treasury to the Court of Doectors, iii which it was staten, " that it would In. a must material accommodation to the public service, if the Batik of England would con petit to advance 2,000,0001. of Exchequer bills, owing to ;is accidental delay in voting the Land and Malt Tax." Kith respect to the clause before the House, be bail no objection to it. The Bank of Eliglaiirl bail already «hewn their readiness to take of their small cotes—but they were prevemed from proceeding by an Act of Pairliameot—atid, without another application to the House, and tio. other Bill, they could not now take up any more of them until the period specified in the present measure had arrived. Mr. PEEL said, he thought the amendment pro posed by the Hui'. Gentleman (Nlr. Ellice) was an improvement to the 11111—mid he, like the Hon. Gendemait, conceived it was better to take it melt in its uttered Wale, than to lose it entirely. He was exceedingly sorry the Bill Minded to by the Hon. Gentleinait (Mr. M3lllllllO woe not read when he wits in the House. It had gone through several of its stages at so late an hour as to preclude debate— and he thought, if lie hr. light it on at half-past four it•spould swot it better c:taiice if brink dis cussed. Ile conceived it was tight that Parliament, as was provided by the Bill, should hirer cogni zance of the amount of all Exchequer bills purchased by the Bank in the market, as well as of thole on which they had made advances. The Report of the Committee, and various papers laid before Pailiameid, proved that they ought to be possessed of this knowledge. It would be seen. by reference to these documents. that the amount of Exchequer bids purchased by the Bank greatly exceeded the quaintly taken up on account of ac tual advance,. In 1815, for Mat:mere there were 35,000,0001. of Exchequer hills outstanding. Of throe 9 or 10,000,000/. only were i•snerl on actual edvances, while 25 or 26,000,000/. were issued in consequence of purchase* by the Bank. Now, according to the old tootle, the vipers laid on the table of the [house would only mention the iiine or 10,000,000/. issued by way of advance—but, by the riew provision, the 23 or 26,000,0001. purchased must also be reported—and thus ll'arlimitent as they ought to be, apprised of the debt. due to the hook. After a few word. from Mr. J. P. GRANT. Mr. Pnancr, and Mr. iltisKtssuN, the motion Was 114irtd to. COMMITTEE or SUPPLY—ARMY EXTRAORDI NARIES—PO(IR CLERGY, &c. Thr CHANCELLOR of site ExcittAu um moved-- " Thai the House do resolve itself into a Committee of Sand)." Übe Right Hon. Gentleman then moved— ', roll's documents connected with Site Army Ea traurdinsens, ibC referred to the Comimttee "—Agreed to. 'rise CUA wt:ELLoft of the Excils.QuEft, in the C tire, proposed that • slid' nut exceeding 1.e00,0001. he granted to defray the extraordinary expenses of the army of Great Britain fur the year 1819. Colonel DA•Ig9 said, that the amount of the toi litary estimates ler exceeded that *loch it ought to be. He then reviewed the amount estimated fur the staff of lielantl, and for the garrisons of Gibraltar, Guernsey, stud other places, and complained that the sums charged under the several item% greatly exceeded what he thought would be sufficient for • • • every necessary purpose. Ile concluded by giving notice, that early next Session be would move for the appointment of a Select Committee, to inquire into the military expenditure of the country. Lord PALMERSTON stated, that the Irish staff establishment had been under the consideration of Gave Amen?, and he was happy to state that the Irish *toff was now reduced from seven General Officers to four, with corresponding reductions in the tumor appointments. He could not promlt- any reduction in the Military College, unless a con tinuance of peace should Justify an alteration in the departments of that establishment, and unless it should, from experience, appear that there were more cadets Omit there ware mans for filling up commissions, considering the claims of the half pay list, and the supplies from other resources. lie repelled the general insinuations which had been thrown out against the military expenditure, and challenged any Hon. Member to produce a specilf: instance where profusion was mantles'. Colonel Davies hoped, that as the Noble Lord was so ready to go into details, he shoefl not 110 , 1 in hint, next Session, en opponent to ills the object of which was, to remedy abuses itrLerc they were found to exist. Mr. fluste expressed his regret that the Nob le Lord held out no prospect of redivdinii i,, the ex penditure of the Military College. Ile was asto nished at this avowal of the neces-ity n 1 ke , ping up thirty-seven Professors for a sclan.l #.l 300 boy,. Surely it would not be said that the education gveit in that establishment was better than th rt given to the boys reared for the engineer owl artillery partments. Three hundred boys were reared at Woolwich College, and the entire expense did not I exceed 9,0001. yearly. The honourable Member then repeated the observations he had made on a former night tespecting the extravagant expendi ture for the maintenance of the colonial garrison.. lie also complained of the item of 2.48,746/. for ti,e extraordinary pay, clothing, and allowances to t oe forces in India, and also to the di,bursement of 245,901. tinder the head of military extrarnib. navies. These items, as well as the heads of ex pense for Bermuda, and the other Islands, oug t to be scrupulously examined by the house. lie thought the East India Company were bound to pay the extraordinary and other expenses of army serving in India. He then observed, th it 11:v chief complaint was i‘gainst the niode of arratigin4 anil making tip this branch of the accounts of the ittil)l . :.! expenditure ; instead of each head of ac count being complete respecting Its particular ex penditure, and each colony shelving the total amount of its expense, the items were scattered over the surface of a general account, so as to present a complete delusion as to their meaning, atil render it impossible to understand them intelligibly. lie could not understand why Sir Ralph Woodford should be allowed 3,5001. for the purchase of cer tain buildings in Trinidad ; he knew that the re venues of that Island were abundant, and he was I at a loss to conceive why they were not adequate to the internal expenditure. Why was 39,961/. charged for clothing, under the head of army extra ordinaries ? He would again repeat, that the sc. counts should not be intermixed one with the other, hut that each department should thew its own ex penditure in a complete form, under a particular head. Mr. Ilositrsabte did not think the Hon. Gentle. 111:411 took a very accurate view of the nature of those accounts. Iu his observations, lie appeared to me lip what were matters of estimate with items of oc;:oulit, and to overlook the real fact, that the sums now charged were in explanation of the account of an expenditure by virtue of a vote of credit. Ile (Mr. Iluskisson) declared, that every shilling of the several items in this branch of expenditure W:l% strictly and rigidly accounted for, and that so far from the sums bring mixed up so as to create a de lusion, they were regularly examined and passed by the auditors of public accounts, and the comp trollers of army expenditure. The present was the regular accomit from year to year to expluiri the expenditure timber the vote of credit.— Ile demcd that any agent for the Colonies, or for any of the departments, could prefit by any pub lic balances. For his part, no mail could gainsay him, when lie said that in his department (Ceylon) he never yet profited by any such circumstance; if any men could prove he had done so, lie was ready to be consigned to infamy. respect to the control over the general expenditure abroad, he had only to state, that the warrant or 1;63, which was renewed ill 1791, and at the late peace, was re gularly transmitted and enforced. lii time of war it woo obvious that Governors or Commanders of Colonies must be allowed, according to the emer gencies of the service, a discretionary expenditure; but this discretion was not suffered to continue in time of peace, and no expenditure nus allowed except that which was preceded by nit estimate, and sanctioned by the authorities at home. For every expenditure the parties inctirriog it were held strictly responsible, and the warrant to w bleb he alluded was rigidly enforced. The exp,use fur clothing, under the head of extraordinaile , . wet./ I particularly out of the increased price of cm...illy accoutrements, chiefly of the increase in the price of leather, and the allowance to Colonels of cavalry regiments. of 15 per cent. over the regular assign memo. There was lin reason, he repeated, fur as serting that the accounts were irregularly made up, or that the expenditure was improvident. Lord PALMERSTON repeated that the preset t items of account were made up in the usual man tiers and that the reason why some of them did 'lot appear in the former estimate was, that they hint nut been transmitted in time to be so introduced. With respect to the establishment at the Military College, the Professors were only thirty in num ber, instead of thirty-six, and the compariscit made between this establishment and the others alluded to by the Hon. Member, was not borne out by die fact —(Hear.) Mr. flume and Mr. Hvactssox mutually ex plained. 'lite CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER stated, that as to the Military expenditure iu tiidia, it ap prated in the accounts merely fur the sake of caw jog regularly into the public charges as x matter of record. It was, however, ultimately charged tit the Eist India Company, between vehoin and ilitt Gower iiiii rut a running account vies kept. Mr. Hums wished that this account between the i Company and the Cievernaitat was trot guttered to VA Os reel con In I 1 ' pti f f (;4) Il' 1.111 an; dr lti Ilea Mt) 1 hti `II TrF rixtr r if ...• Ole 35. Par I;. la( I:4, .. r f l u