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• • U.• ~. /~'~ ~ ~i L. e ,' • 4.—• 4 , I •= f / i /~ ~~ - --e;; (‘,l" -7 G. • - , b b I\ + 4 , * cr t ~.. ♦ t ~ t , ,4„,, ) A/v.. i r . - - 1 / 4 ..- , .• t 'A. 0: No. 6,616. LONDON, TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 17, 1824. ~= Price 74:, KING'S THEATRE. THIS EVENING, TUESDAY, Febtoary 17, will be presented the Conic Opera of IL BAKBIERE DI SIVIGLIA, In which Signor Benelli win make his lint appearance. Led of the first Act, anew Divertissement Cheraleresque, called DONNEUR AUX DAMES. To conclude with a new Ballet, called LA NOCE DE VILLAGE. Madame Catslani has entered into an engagement with Signor Pena fora certain number of Nights, and will appear for the first time these ten years in the Opera Ruffa entitled " 11 Nuevo Fans- Nat per la Musics," on Saturday, the 213th inst. Madame Catalani is also engaged for Six Sacred Concerts, which will be given at this Theatre on die Fridays in Lent. Applications for Boxes and Single Subscriptions for the Sea :son to be made to Mr. Seguin, Opera Office, 103, Quadrant, Regent-street. ••• The Opera will begin on Tuesdays at half-past seven, and sin Saturdays at seven o'clock precisely. NEW THEATRE-ROYAL. DRURY-LANG. BY SPECIAL DESIRE. THIS EVENING, TUESDAY, February 17, will be performed the Romanies of LODOISK A. Potanders—Prince Lupauski, Mr. Powell; Count Floreski, Mr. Has; Baron Lnvinski, Mr. Archer; Vernet, Mr. Harley. Prin cess Ladoiska, Miss Percy. Tartars—Kan Khan, Mr. Wallack ; Ithorak, Mr. Webster KIM', Mr. G. Smith; Krum, Mr. Foam After which, SIMPSON AND CO. t• - • • Mr. Bromley, Mr. Browse; Peter Simpson, Mr. Terry. Mrs. Simpson, Mrs. Bunn ; Mrs. BromUy. Mr.. W. West. To conclude with THE CATARACT OF THE GANGES; Or, THE RAJAH'S DAUGHTER. Ackbar, Mr. Powell; 31okarra, Mr. Wallack ; Iran, Mr. Palley: Jack Robinson, Mr. Harley. Princess Dessa, Miss Phil lips ; Zamlne, Miss L. Kelly. To.morrow, The Hypocrite; with My Grandmother; and The Spoiled Child. On 'Thursday A New Way to Pay Old Debts. On Friday, T he Merry Wives of Windsor. THEATIIN-ROYAL. COVENT-GARDEN. TH IS EVENING, TUESDAY, February 17, -3-will be performed NATIVE LAND: Or, THE RETURN FROM SLAVERY. The Principal Characters by Messrs. Sinclair, W. Farren, Cooper, Durum, Fawcett, and MIMI; Minus Paton, Beaumont, Love, and M. Tree. After which, THE POACHERS. . „ The principal Characters by Messrs. Cooper, Jones, Blanchard, ouiii,and O'Brian; Mesdames latish, Chatterley, and Vining; On iiednisday, Native Land; with the Pantomime, On Thursday, Native Land ; with The Poachers. On Friday, Much Ado About Nothing ; with The hish Tutor. NEW SURREY THEATRE. THIS EVENING, TUESDAY, February 17, will be perfenned THE TWO THIEVES; Or, THE MURDERERS OF GRENOBLE. RlMond. Mr. H. Kemble; Bertrand, Mr. Herring; Gervais Naha, Mr. Loveday ; Felix Dumont, Mr. Buckingham. Clancy rimy Miss Kimbell; Mary, Mrs. W. Clifford. After which. MAIDS AND BACHELORS; Or, NETTLEWIG HALL. Str John Julius Nettlewig, Mr. Loveday; Tim Transit, Mr. Vale. Mira Emily Constant, Miss Twists& To conclude with ASLAN THE LION; Or, THE SEVEN BRAZEN TOWERS OF TEPELINI. Asian, Mr. H. Kemble ; Drireno Brioni. Mr. Simpson; Moye rs'', Mr. Auld; Negnur, Mr. Herring. Erminsh, Miss Kimbell; Zulette, Miss Tuitional. Places to be taken of Mr. limiter, at the new Box-office of the Theatre, and of whom may be had Private liemetnightly. • EAST INDIA HOUSE. Fs& 11, 113114. COURT of DIRECTORS of the UNITED CO3IPA NV of 3IERCHANTS et ENGLAND, evading to the E.twr INDIES, do hereby give Notice, That by a Deed dated this Day, a Fund has been provided out et the Revenues of Tar a + for liquidation of the Debts of his late Hlittneee *moiety lkieh of Tanjore. open certain Tenns therein prov e ed. The Claims of the Creditors are to be investioted and decided upon by Commissioners appointed for that purpose. The Claimants may avail themselves of the benefit of the arrangement proposed in their favour, by becoming Parties to the Decd, which lics ready fur their execution at the office of Messrs. Southend Lawfonl, Drapers' Hall, Thmgmorton start, any Tuesday or Friday, between the hours of one aid tioteo'clock. JOSEPH DART, Secretary. BANK OF ENOLAND, FED. 12, 1824. TE COURT of DIRECTORS of the GOVERNOR and COMPANY of the BANK of ENtlliit ND do hereby give Notice, that all Notes of the said (inventor and Company, dated on and after the Ist March next, will vary from their Notes a. now issued in the following particulars Notes of M., of 101., of 201., of 301., of 4411 and of 501., will have the respective numerical sums for which they are issued visible in the substance of the paper in Roman letters, on waved lines, which waved lines will be broader than heretofore. The Notes of 1001., of 2001, of 3001., of COOL, and of 1,0001 , will be upon paper, with waved lines, similar to those of 51. and upwards, but will not have the respective numerical aunts visible in the substance of the paper; the waved ekes of the paper will be thicker than the other part of the Note; the words "Bank of England" will appear visible in the substance of the paper, both at.the top and the bottom of the Note, instead of the bo. Jral only, a t heretofore. In the engraving, the yearly date after the words " Bank of England," at the top of the Notes, will be omitted. N. BEST, Secretary. SEVEN PRIZES OF £20,000. QWIFT and Co. remind their Friends and the Public, kJ that the present is one of the very few Lotteries now remain ing to be disposed of by the grant of Parliament, and they respect fully solicit, during the short period that I,ntteries will exist in this country, a continuance of that patronage which has distin guished their Offices since the year l The present Scheme contains the extraordinary number of Seven Prizes of 20.000 L in Money and Three per Cents., Two of which, all Money. will be decided the First Doty, when every Blank will become a New Ticket, or entitled to lOC in honey, at the option of the holder. Schemes at large may be had gratis at Swift and Co.'s Offices, - • 11, Poultry, I 31, Mdgate 13, Charing-cross, 11 igh-street. Where Tiekets and Shares are on sae in the greatest variety. The ihaving trill begin on THURSDAY neat, the 19th instant. NEXT THURSDAY. 19th FEB. T & .1. SIVEWRIGHT, Contractors for the present OF • popular LOTTERY, request their Friends to bear in mind, that vim the Minister brought in the Lottery Bill last spring, he distinctly declared Government did not intend to have soother, :knell-ire people should embrace the opportunity while it exists, for NEXT THURSDAY is the First Day's Drawing of eie Last Lottery under the previous or last year's Act. The Scheme contains the immense number of SEVEN of '29 0001., and there being between 7 and 8,01.19 Tickets to be drawn the Fist Day, and every Blank to be put in the Wheel and drawn seen, consequently there is the chance for nothing of all the }looting Capitals on that Day, 1- -sides the Two 20,0001. Sterling raehed to the First-drawn Prizes: these will, of course, be de eded in the first five minutes, and the Contractors trust, with their meal good fortune, to distribute these among their friends, at their apes, No. 37, Cornhill, 11, Holborn, and 311, Haymarket LONDON STOVE ORATE COMPANY, Opposite the Mansion House, and at their 3lanufactory, No. 54, Crotched Friars, adjoining the India Warehouse. A SAVING from Fifty to Seventy-five per Cent., as the , following Abstract will prove:— lb in. Kitchen Range, with Oven and Boiler - .C 3 0 9 4 0 Patent Rack Boiler Range, with falling Top Rair, &c. - 21. I6s. Od. to 3 4 0 3 3 Ditto . Ditto - Ditto . 38 0 I Ditto - Ditto - Ditto - 3 11 0 3 0 Ditto . Ditto . Ditto - 315 0 4 I Ditto - Ditto - Ditto . 319 I/ Linger sisal in the same proportion. Nest Elliptic Register Stoves • • 1 5 Ditto, a ith Japanned Fronts - . 2 0 0 (hito, with Ground Ditto and Ornaments 3 10 0 lied Room Stoves, various Patterns, 4s. Oil. each, or 4d. per Inch in consequence of the increasing support their Original Esta blishment continued to experience, the Company. for the better facilitating the execution of their Orders, found it expedient .0.! very_ eligible and extensive Premises, directly opposite Manakin House, where they hare concentrsted not only the .Rest but the choicest collection of Ranges, Stoves, Fenders, Fee-iron s , and General Furnishing Ironmongery, in the kingdom. Prompt payment and no abatement. Stores and Kitchen Ranges Set in Town or Country, by cape 'mod Workmen, on the most reasonable Terms. Please to observe—The London Stove (irate Company has no "bo Establishment than tha two above-mentioned. All Goods Iski b 1 them are warranted to be of the brt description, and equal illtrength and workmanship to any in this Kingdom. As some 1, 1 11 ,'n,‘ (whose names they decline publishing for the present) ~,!'w, o gitt it their interest to assert the contrary, the London - 0:27 °Tate Company very respectfully court inspection of their .7 1, 11, when the public will have a proof of the decided advantage S l rebasinfm the above Establishment. oktSlorca ;1;4 Ranges ''''''''''''' exchange. 13- 1, Lad, of Gent. Biter 0 . ,lchton• e, : 4 0 011 2: tn. lUD& afto & 01: 01.111 ), h avreP• OW' SALES BY AUCTION. LEASE AND FIXTURES. ESSEX STREET, STRAND. BT WINSTANLEY and SONS, At the Mart, on I. RIDAY. the 12th of March, at Twelve o'Clock, in One Lot, THE LEASE. fot Eighteen Years, at a moderate Hem, together with the whale of the Fixtures, in a convenient I/WELLING-1101'SE. containing six bedrooms and two dress ing -rooms, various closets, drawing and dining rooms, and a par lour or office, with kitchens and requisite domestic eonvenieneies: well suited for a professional man, being No. 19. Essex -street, in the immediate vicinity of the various Inns of Court. To be viewed by applying on the premises ; and printed parti mien had of Winstankr and Sons, Paternoster-row. VALUABLE FREEHOLD (IROL'ND.RENT AND ...... • REVERSION. By WINSTANLE V and SONS. At the Mart. en FRIDAY. the 12th March at Twelve o'clock, AFREEHou) GROUND-RENT of 31/. 10s. per annum, riming out of and amply secured by a illeetuage, Billiard-room, and Premises, situate near the Old Steyne, Brighton, let for an unexpired term of 15 years: alt.° the Reversion and in. heritanec expectant on the determination of the said term. The premises are under-let to respectable tenants, at rents amounting to about Itlef. per annum. For particulars, apply to Mr. Sowtnn, Solicitor, Oray'a-Inn ; Messrs. Attire and Cooper, Solicitors, Brighton ; an d to Winatan. lay and Sons, Paternoster-row. WAREHOUSE, BAKEWOUSE, and DWELLING-HOUSE, WITH IMMEDIATE POSSESSION. TO BE LET, by WINSTANLEY and SONS, on Lease for Seven Fourteen, or Twenty-one Years, a Brick built WAREHOUS e. Three Stories high, with BAKE HOUSE, COUNTING-HOUSE. Am late in the Occupation of Mr. Jorgen, situate on the Beak of the Thames, at Mill-Wall, Poplar; also& Brick-built DWELLING-HOUSE opposite, with large Garden extending to the Deptford and Greenwich Ferry- To be viewed by applying on the Premises, and further Parti culars had of Messrs. Wanon and Son, Surveyors, Broad-street, Ratliff, and of Wins tanley and Sons, Paternost er - row . _ _ . TO 3IEMBERS OF PARLIAMENT. A PARTMENTS in a Professional Gentleman's House, consisting of Drawing-room, Two Bedrooms, and a large Kitchen, if required ; looking into St. JAMen . ll and the Oran Pak, and along Pall-mall, having no home in front. Cards may be had at 47, Pall-mall. A NEAT AND SUPERIOR SET-OUT, ( WIPLE Fr. lOH SIXTY-FIVE GUINEAS. _ _ A N Excellent HORSE, and a nearly new STANHOPE 11 and HARNESS, which have only been used six weeks. They deservedly merit attention, as it is not really half their value; the present Proprietor wanting cash, and having no further use for them, is the ration of their being to be disposed of. To be seen, and trials granted, at the Fox and Hounds livery stables, Curtain-road. Shoveditch. PARLIAMENTARY INTELLIGENCE. HOCSE OF LORDS, 3lownAr, Fan. 16. Counsel were heard during the morning in the long pending Queensberry Appeal l'atme. CLERKS OF PARLIAMENT. The LORD CHANCELIIOR moved that Mr. Rose should be appointed Deputy to his father, as Clerk of their Lordships' House, in the room of Mr. birch, who has retired. The Earl of LIVERPOOL concurred in the motion of the Noble and Learned Lord, and bore testimony to the zeal, integrity, and ability of Mr. Ditch during the time lie acted as one of thelr Lordships' Clerks. The Noble Earl intimated his intention of moving on some future day for a Committee, to inquire into the duties of the Clerks of Porlinment. The Lonl Chancellor's Motion was agreed to. COAL DUTIES. The Bishop of EX Effflipresen — t;tiiiietition from Oldsburg, raying a &peal of the Duties on Coals carried coastwise. Ordered to be laid on the table. ORDER) IN COUNCIL A Person from the Council Office presented Copies of the O►den in Council, exempting vessels belonging to the kidoins of the Netherlands and Hanover from taking pilots on bo,u, and foe bit ing countervailing duties on certain American Tassels. PAPERS RELATING TO IRELAND. The Marquis of LA NSDOVVN roved that a variety of papers relating to Ireland. which had been ordered in another place, should be laid on their bordshipee table ; with reference to a motion of a Noble Friend of his. The Noble Marquis said that the papers re lated principally to the operation of the Tithe Act, to the state of Church Property in Ireland, and to the operation of the Insurrec tion Act.—Ordered. Adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS, MONDAY, FED. 16. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL tool[ the oaths ■nd his scat, as ;Member for Ashburton, which he had ♦acated on his recent ap pointment. 31r. BLACKBURN presented a petition from the inhabitants. the town of Lancaster, for a commutation of tithes. COAL DUTY. _ _ Sir W. LEMON presentediiniiic;nlrom the parish of Byron, in Cornwall, praying for a rep& of the Coal Tar. Similar petitions were prevented by Mr. Stanley, from liver ston, in Lanruhire t Sir C. Hawkins, from the borough of St. Ives; Sir W. Grey, from the Severn and Wye Canal Company ; SirjE. Knatehbull, front the Mayor and Commonalty of Deal ; Sir T. Arland, from Iltracmnbe, and another from Holasworth ; Mr. Bastard, from Teigninouth, and another from DothMutlee ; ('olonel Wood, from Staines ; Sir T. Lethbridge, frOm Minehead, Somer set; Mr. Portman, from Portland; Mr. Harvey, from Itomlbrd ; and Mr. Hurst, from Horsham. Mr. HURSt, in presenting his petition from the inhabitants of Horsham, observed, that a very great number of signutores were affixed to its and that among them were the names of many of thenobility, Baronets, and the gentry, mingled with those of the tanners, yeomanry, and inhabitants of all ranks and classes. Ile trusted, therefore, that the Chancellor of the Etchequer would take into his consideration the subject on which so many petitions had been laid before the House, and remember, that equality was the very definition of justice. DOWDESW ELL moved for further returns of papers from theCourtof Chancery. Mr. MAD ERMA' save notice, that to-morrow he should move for certain papers relative to the duties on malt and beer. USURY LAWS REPEAL BILL. —•— • - • -- - - - - The Order of the Day foe the second reading of the Bill for a re. peal of the Usury Laws being moved, ilr. DAVENPORT observed, that the country was now in a flourishing state, and he knew no reason why the old system of the Usury Laws should not be abolished. There were a number of persons possessing small estates in the country, and what were they to do, if, when they wanted a sum of money, they could not obtain it. If the laws weredone away with, if he found any difficulty in getting it (tom one person, he would find none in procuring it from another. Ile (Mr. Davenport) felt more for the borrower than he did for the lender, bemuse the laws were less in favour of the former than the latter, as they at present stood. It was for this reason he opposed them. lie therefore moved the second reading of the Liill. Mr. R. COOPER, in seconding the motion, said that the present laws were highly pernicious. He could not conceive any argument in support of them, and unless he did hear them, he should feel convinced there were none. The Bill having been read a second time, Mr. HOME said, that he believed the intention of all law was to give a perfect freedom to bargains of every description ; but that the present usury laws had a contrary effect ; and he felt convinced that much good would arise from the clew Ms Majesty's Ministers had taken of the question. There exists no law to oblige an un derwriter to take a particular sum for his risk; and he thought the risk which a lender undertook should be on the same principle.' He (Mr. Hume) supported as much the cause of him who borrowed as of him who lent ; but his wish was to assimilate the rate of bor. rowing with the rate of assurance. He thought, however, that all affairs of the kind should be calculated to meet the public ere, that their fairness or unfairness might be universally known. lie ob served, that if ever there were a time for removing the usury laws from the stntnt- hook, it was the present. Sir JOHN WROTTESLEV said that the present rate of inte rest was from three to six per cent.; and he could not conceive what could be the intention in bringing in such a Bill, hut to bring down destruction on young and inexperienced men. These laws had for their object the prevention of usury, which, not only in this cuuu. try, but in every country in Europe, had been of such injurious tendency ; and he believed, instead of being detrimental, they had been highly serviceable to the interests of this land. If this mea sure, which had existed so long, were now to be repealed, it should not be dune on theoretic grounds, but with the prospect of practical good. If we looked to the agricultural interest, we should perceive bow likely it was to be affected by any change. A landed proprie tor had seldom, at present, any difficulty in procuring money, on good security, at five per cent.; but the lender, if he were not pre. vented, who now gives his money at four or five, would demand six or seven per cent., and so on, without knowing hots far. 4 )n the classes which are the most useful of all--the employers of our arti sans, and manufacturers—die effects would be still more injurious. They would find still more difficulty in procuring money, because their security was not so grad as that of the landed proprietors. He (Sir J. IVrottealey) was convinced that the repeal of the usury laws would bring the manufacturing classes into a state of the greatest distres i. flow would it affect the government of the coun try, the funds of which were at one time so low as :00 ? If the usury laws had not existed, the government could never have procured money, that money which was so useful for the protection of the country. Some persons affirmed that the monied interests would be advanced, but this he (Sir J. Wrottesley) altogether denied ; and he declared it to be his opinion, that the repeal of the usury laws would be ruinous to the landed proprietors, highly detrimental to the manufacturing elsseee, and injurious to the goveminent of the country. He hoped therefore the learned Sergeant would not persevere in bringing forward his motion. Mr. JOHN SMITH observed, that the gentleman who preceded him declared that the repeal of the Usury Laws would be injurious to three great classes ; yet the Usury Laws had been abolished all over Europe, and no country, nor any class of it, Iliad been ruined by the proceeding; on the cannery, there was reason to think the interests of ell had heels greatly advanced by it. He (Mr. Smith) had witnessed many instances of their ruinous effects upon several families,' by the custom of selling annuities for a sum of money. Ilan individual bed occasion for 1,0001. he might easily i procure it, were it not for the Usury LOWS, at all events by paying • sum of perhaps seven per cent., matted of, as he must now do, fourteen or fifteen per cent. If any doubt existed an to the latter fact, it might be easily proved by prawns who had suffered by such circumstances. With respect to the commercial body, to whom the Hon. Baronet (Sir J. Wrotteeley) particularly alluded, he (Mr. Smith) could safely assert, that the motion for repeal would not meet with the slightest opposition front them. Under the pre sent laws, when a person wan applied to for the lean of a sum of money, he was obliged to demand a premium at the expense of his honour ; and thus in a manner forced to become infamous. He (Mr. Smith) had not found a man WNW.° understanding he could in the slightest degree respect, who would hare ventured to take the side of argument in favour of the Usury Laws. Mr. P. OREN FELL, hoped the /lease would, at least, take the opinion of the Attornq-Geoeral on the subject before them. The lion. Baronet (Sir J. Wrottesley) appeared to think that the repeal of the Usury Laws would increase the interest on money. But in ' Holland, when there wens no lawsid the kind, the rate of loterest was lower than in any other country. He trusted that his Majesty's 31inisters would take up the question with the usual public spot they had so generally shown. Mr. lIUSKISSON °bittern% that he was a member of the Cows:Wee to whom the question was referred in 1814. The opinions heat that time formed renamed unchanged. He thought the repeal of the Usury Laws, so far from injuring commerce, would considerably benefit it, and prevent much of th e imposition and hawk to which they led. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, that he was aware on stinhasubjeet there must be always many argument, for and against ; he would observe, however, that the circumitatices under which the question was now brought forward were very dif ferent to those of last year. If it were necessary to amend the Usury Laws, the present time was es good as any that could ever offer. He knew that it was a very easy matter to evade the laws ai l they at present stood. Mr. CALCRAFT admitted that no fitter period could be se lected for the alteration of these laws than the present, and that in point of principle it was not easy to defend them, though in practice he was convinced that it would be dangerous, in • country like this, where there was so general a diffusion of capital, and where money was lent at so low and fair an interest. He wits satisfied that if his Majesty's Government expected to obtain money at a lower rate by repealing t:te Usury Laws, the would find themselves mistaken. On the contrary, the effect would rather be to raise it against them. It was in vain for the House to attempt to protect individuals from the consequences of' ruinous contacts in money, unless it would undertake to regulate the conduct of individuals. The danger most to be appriffieuded was, that the Bill would facilitate the ope ration of borrowing by extravagant persons, without giving any proportionate advantage to that steady, industrious, economical part of the commitnity,whom the House ought more particularly to seek to benefit. Übe had thought that Government would have taken up this Bill as it had that evening appeared to be their intention to do, he would have provided himself more fully for the discussion. lie would, however, venture to assert, that the evidence before the Committee would not bear out the statements made in support of the Bill ; and that according to that evidence there was no such prospect of advantage from the proposed alteration as would war rant the House in adopting it. If indeed there was any difficulty l in obtaining money on reasonable terms for roomer:nal specula tior.s---if capital was not severally diffused, or was lent at a high and extortionate rate—if, during me existences of these Usury Laws, I this country had not increased to wealth, faster in pmportion even than Holland, a case might have been made out in favour of the Bill for repealing them; but though he admitted the general prin ciple of continence was favourable to the proposed alteration, yet with thise facts before them, he trusted the House would pause before it agreed to the .Bill advocated by the Right Hon. Gentle men opposite. In opposing it, supp orted as it was by their info ' ence, he knew he spoke in vain, the should not have felt that he had discharged his duty if he had suffixed it to pass in silence. On the next discussion he would bring with hint the minutes of evidence taken before the Committee, and phew that this Bill would be attained with results highly pernicious if it passed into a law. Mr. Sergeant ONSLOW suipka his surprise at the opposi tion of the Honourable denefftran who had attended the Oen mittee on this subject, and agreed to the whole of its proceedings. (lifer, hear!) As, however, the House generally had read the evidence, he should have abstained front taking part in the discus sion if he had not feared that it would hare been construed into die. respect. Ilia Honourable k'ricnd (Sir John Wrottesley) had spoken of the policy of these laws; but the fact was that they were originally founded on the express doctrine, that to take interest was contrary to the principles of the Christian religion. The early law allowed no interest at all ; it therefore threw the trade of lending into the hands of the worn part of the community, who took care to be recompensed adequately for the odium they incurred by their pursuit. It was, indeed, objected, than those who chose to evade the usury laws, could resort to redeemable annui ties. This remedy had bee n resorted to, and what was the con sequence ? That looney had been taken up at 111, 12, 13, and 14 per cent., on three or four lives. (Hear, heat.) Such was the remedy of which the Hon. Baronet was so much enamoured. lie (Mr. Sergeant Onslow) did not speak of his own knowledge, but on the evidence given before the Committee, when he called the at tention of the House to the notoriety of the evasion of thelaws by these practices. So common was the custom, that trust money had been bequeathed expressly to be laid out in annuities, and it had been stipulated that the purchase money of estates should be in vested hea similar manner. The Hon. Baronet had also objected that the commercial interests would be borne down if the laws against usury were repealed. But hoe also it appeared fbmi the evidence that an expedient was resorted to by which the laws were effectually evaded. Stock was borrowed, end it was proved thit in one instance a loss of 30 per cent. was sustained. Surely a Leone easy succedarierin, and more complete remedy, would be to make a small addition to the interest in recompense for the danger and odium of the trade. The ;fill before the House would place deal ings in money on the same footing as dealings in all other ermines ditties. At present, under pretence of assisting the borrower, the Legislature crippled hint and by their absurd and mischievous protection materially inju red' him. With these views he trusted the llousp would forward the bill through the remaining stages. The Leal ned Sergeant conelittled with an apology for troubling the House again with his sentiments, but he conceived it would have been considertel eiereepectful if lie had reniaincel silent. 31r.8A RI NG said that the subject before the house was of great importance, and particularly as at the present moment he believed a change in the usury laws would produce no immediate effect whatever, and therefore this was the fittest opportunity to discuss the question, and, if necessary, to legislate upon it. (Hear, hear.) By legislating, he meant to remove the false legislation by which a maximum was affixed to the rate of interest. (Hear, hear.) It was impossible to assign any reason why a nta.riniens should be affixed to the value of money, while every other kind of property was allowed to regulate itself. This was almost the only year fur the last half century, that the subject could be safely legislated upon, and as even the ingenuity of his lion. Friend (Mr. Cal. craft) could afford no argument against the repeal of the Usury Laws, he trusted this Session would not he allowed to was over without so desirable a measure. His lion. Friend had objected that capital had accumulated, notwithstanding the existence of these Laws. The reason was, that they had been im perative, the evasion was at all times so easy. The very class who, above all others, would he benefited by the repeal would be the country gentlemen, who had taken such singdlar alarm at time measure. tie (31r. Caring) wished the Bill to go further, if it were only to remove their groundless apprehensions. The measure was calculated not to prejudice but to relieve them, If, however, it was impossible to persuade them so, it would be easy, in de ference to their alarms, to except loans of money on mortgages. There could be no doubt of the benefit of the repeal of the usury laws, as to the mercantile and manufacturing interests. None of them spoke in support of the existing law, which had always been inoperative as to the merchants and Government, who, during, the last war, had burrowed at desperate usury. At present, the moment the rate of interest passed 3 per cent. the country gentlemen were compelled, instead of advancing to h or 51, to jump at once to 11 or 15 per cent. What they adhered to as benefit was, in reality, their greatest injury and worst curse. (Hear, hear). Captain 31ABERIX spoke in support of the Bill, the prin ciples of which had been advocated by the late Sir S. Hominy and the lamented member for Portmlington (Mr. Ricardo). All the able writers on the subject were agreed that the usury laws were very pernicious. Sir W. DE CRESPIG NY said a few words in approbation of the bill. Mr. J. MARTIN said the existing law was injurious to ...IT chases, but particularly to the country gentlemen. If, however, they were ditisati.thed with the bill, he would prefer to except mortgages front its operation. Strangers were then ordered to withdraw, and the !louse di vided. For the second reading, 1211—Against it, 23—Majority, 97. The bill was then read a second time ; but owing to the noise in the gallery, we could not hear for when tho third reading was fixed. WAY'S AND MEANS. The CHANCELIAAi of the Ejcelik(kirEß, on rising to move that the Report of the Committee of '1 'ays and Means be brought up, said that it was not his intention to move that those particular parts of the Report be brought up relating to the si nus! duties. In the Committee he had stated grounds, from which he believed no sufficient mason could he shewn tier dissent ing; but as be rnderstood an Honourable Member intended to propose an amendment on the resolution respecting the duty on foreign spirits; and as he (the Chance!lor of the kxcliemter) had stated, in answer to some applications to him on the subject of the reduction of duties, that he was not at liberty to explain his inten tions until that day sennight (hear, hcar)t though he did not feel that to ask for the annual duties would preclude himself or any other person deem proposing an alteration of the permanent duties ; yet, lest it might he supposed that he was thus calling silently for their opinion, while he declined giving his own, he considered it would be more consistent with fairness, and a proper feeling to wards the House, if he abstained from bringing up those parts of the report to which he had alluded. Mr. BRIGHT said, that as he believed he was the person to whom the Right Hon. Gentleman had alluded, he was sorry that he had induced the Right Hon. Gentleman to adopt a merit in convenient to bis public duty. The Order of the Day was then read. On the question that the "Stbe beenet up, e CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that there was a certain degree of inconvenience ir pmeponing the consider ation of the ways and means, but be apprehended there would be no objection to his moving on Wednesday next for a vote from the surplus of the consolidated fund ; as unless the House was,disposed to give them (the Ministers) the means of meeting the supplies already voted, they would be placed in a singular and inconvenient position. Mr. eLIBERLY cautioned the House against withholding the supplies. The consequence would be, that they would be pre vented from effecting a reduction of the permanent taxes. It would be better therefore, he thought, to take the totes in the ordinary enure. Notice had been given of motions for the reduction of duties on windows and leather. He trusted, therefore, that his Honour able Friend (Air. Hume) would abstain from this mooted point, and suffer the ways and means to rake their ordinary course. and leave the whole question open to future consideration. Mr. HUME said It was very desirable to have the couree intend ed to be followed by the Right Honourable Gentlemen made known as soon as possible. With respect to the duties on sugar, and especially rum, he could me no reason why the inordinate duty on the latter article, amounting to an actual prohibition, should not be reduced. The Right lion. Gentlemen said, he was prepared to assign a reason ; then why did he not postpone the question ? The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUEIL—That is what I propose to do. REMEMBRANCERSHIP OF THE EXCHEQUER. Mr. BARING, in a low tone of voice, inaudible in the Gallery, put a question to the Chancellor of the Exchequer. respecting the re. cent appointment to the vacant office of King's Remembiancer it the Court of Exchequer. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER raid he was obliged to the lion. Gentleman for the opportunity he had given him of an explanation on the subject. It was perfectly true that, on the death of Mr. Steele, the office of King's Remembrancer in the Court of Exchequer became vacant, and that Vincent had been appointed to succeed him. The lion. Gentleman (Mr. Baring) would not suppose hint (the Chancelioi of the Exchequer) so utterly ignorant, or so grossly inattentive to his duty, as to have failed to advert, first, to the Act of Parliament tiw the regulation of the office; and, secondly, to the Reports of tile Vonmeittee by which that Act had been introduced. But a few days huh elapsed after the decease of Mr. Steele, when the attention of the Treasury was directed to the express purpose of carrying into effect, with the smallest delay, the recommendations of the Committee and the pro visions of the law. The Act did not provide fur the absolute abo lition of the office, nor for any mode in which its duties were to be performed ; but only for the future regulation of its emoluments. The Lords of the Treasury had. in pursuance of the Act, lost no time in calling on the Chancellor and Barons of the Exchequer to report on the nature of the office. On inquiry it appeared, that, from the constitution of the Exchequer, the duties of the office were necessary to be performed, at least till a new system could be ar ranged, which perhaps might not prove quite so easy a task as was supposed, uniting the must convenience with the least expense. rt was found absolutely necessary that the duties of the office should be discharged, and therefore that somebody should be appointed. On the Vii of December a Treasury minute was made for the ap pointment of Mr. Vincent, by which he was required to perform the duties in person, but precluded from appointing a deputy. He was directed to receive all the fees, not for himself, but for the purpose of paying them into the Consolidated Fund. The Lords of the Treasury reserved to themselves the power of giving him a male rate but adequate remuneration for the discharge of the duties of the office. The appointment was necessary to prevent the' Eublic business from standing still. Ile (the Chancellor of the xchequer) could assure the House, that he was anxious to regu late the office ; and, whatever difficulty there might be in deter mining the precise mode of regulating it, there certainly *as none in affirming that it might be performed at much less expense. Mr. Vincent was appointed under a distinct understanding that his situation was merely temporary, and that he had no claim :o fell office when the lords of the Treasury felt themselves in a con dition to form • permanent arrangement with respect to It. - Mr. BARING took it for granted that the Act did not prevent the collection of the fees. He trusted some means would be found to re-model the Exchequer. Intogether. (Hear, hear.) It was • mode of keeping the accounts of the nation socumbrous, ridiculous, and absurd, that it would be a disgraee to a trite of Indian savages. (Hear, hear, bear.) The Report was then brought up. DUTY ON PEN.eIONS AXE SALARIES. Mr. lIL'3IE gave notice, that when the question came under the consideration of the House, he should move that the duty on pen sions, places, and salaries, should be abolished. The trifling amount raised by this tax cost 2,01.001. in poundage. lie should pro pose that in future it be deducted at once front the salary. Two years ago the Chancellor of the Exchequer pledged himself to have the whole subject re-modelled. Though it professed to be a tax on all pensions and places, yet in the Act there were le cr 20 excep -601121. The duty was only collected in about 300,0001. of all the amount paid in pensions and salaries. The Treasury , by a war rant, might excuse any officer from its operation, so that, in fact, it applied only to a few minor offices. The Report was then agreed to, with the exception of the pars relating to the annual duties, which were ordered to be taken into further consideration on this day sennight. SUPPLY, The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER more) the order of the day, that the House resolve itself into a Committee of Supply. Mr. 111`31E said, he held in his hand a petition respecting the new disease, that threatened to destroy the navy. The petitioner stated, that since last year four vessels, the Howe, the Genoa, the Lord Nelson, and the Queen Charlotte, had been destroyed by the dry rut. He alleged also, that nearly half the navy was Injured by this new disease, for which no effective remedy had yet been dis covered. The petitioner prayed, that a general surrey of the navy might be made; as, though our shipping were apparently sea-worthy, he believed the navy was only half the force of 17;h2. In every dock-yard the disease had made its appear ance, and there was hardly a vessel actually fit to go to sea. The use of coal-tar had been retorted to for a few years past, but that was of more injury than service it did not lessen the evil of the dry-mt. It was rather a curious circumstance, that up to a cer tain period the English oak was never found to decay. In the American navy. lime.oak was used, which being felled when with out the sap, was never liable to the dry-rot ; whereas with us, amongst whom a diiferent system prevailed, it was found to be most deatructive ; in fact, with utt, the timber was not worked up with sufficient quickness. This of itself required the considera tion of the Committee, and saute explanation was due to us from the Admiralty. With respect to the excellence or defect of the plan stated by the petitioner, he (Mr. Hume) knew nothing ; all he said was, it required consideration. The Cll A NCELIA/R of the EXCHEQUER suggested to the Honourable Member, that this was not the most convenient time for presenting the petition. Mr. 111 'ME said, he would not then press its reception. The House then resolved itself into a Committee of the whole House. Sir GEORGE CLERK observed, that on the present occasion be should confine himself to movins,,the supply for wear and tear of the navy, the estimates for which would be nearly the same an those of the last year. Ile hoped there would be no objection to proceed to a few other", which were calculated at as low a rate as possible: but he should add, that with respect to any further re duction, the present state of the country, as connected with the other States of Europe, must prevent it. There would be an in creased expense of about :120,0001. occasioned by the unsettled state of our West India l'olonics, and the continued warfare between Spain and her Colonies, which rendered it necessary that our com merce in those quarters should be fully protected. To this increase he could see no objection from Honourable Members at the other side of the House, as they had on many recent occasions called for it. Owing to the great exertions width were made in the West 'lndian seas, the piratical depredatior.s, of which our merchants complained, were completely put a stop to ; but from the still tummies" state of of ode Colonies there, it was necessary to maintain a sufficient force, in order to Maintain that repose under which our trade could best prosper. The state of Greece, too, rendered a force nettmary to be continued in the Mediterranean ; but the increase altogether to be would only amount to 4,000 men. The whole naval force l orCr; l ear was 23.000 men, ard this year it world be 29,0110 men. In consequence of the rise of prices for seamen's provision, the victualling would of course be MOTO this year than in the last. Ity the way, he begged here to notice the irregularity of the Hon. 3lembet for Aberdeen, in bringing forward this petition, when the House was moved to go into a committee to consider or the Supply. It was true, however, as stated by that Honourable Member, that the dry rot had matte great ravages on the shipping during the latter part of the brit war. But then an unusual rapidity was ne. cessary in the building of ships, and the timber was not always properly seasoned ; but in consequence of the precautions since taken, in the building ships under cover, in the made of preparing the timber, the one of the coal tar, and other measures, the dry rot was much prevented. The immersion of the timber in sea water had been tried, and he hoped it would be found a most use ful preventive. Without at present entering further into detail, he would move that 29,1100 men be voted to his 31.tjesty, for tile use of the navy, front January, 1821, to January, including 9,000 royal marines. Mr. WA It RE wished to ascertain, if out of this number of men some were not i- tended for the west blockade ? and if considerable cppeimments in that branch of the service were not also contem plated ? Ile did not now wish to relive the old discussions on the expediency of suchls system, or tie . levpsiate assigned for their fermation in the first instance, ants theit~titjtYa ancr since. But individually he must tar he dialiked Su e 'L s e ar- . ties of gens.d'armerie parading about' mitt a line of wait. ';aptia, swords and pistols in their hands. It was never expected thet I:3W — , high duties would continue in a time of peace. which were taalf imposed to support a war, nor that a coast blockade would ht to: tinucd to secure their collection. A regular goeriila wnrfare was. now carried on between the smugglers and the wise, and no lava than 1.700 persons were employed in keeping it up. Ni. opini4n was, that the system was already too far extended, and he r.,51r., begged leave to ask, if a further extension were intended ; anjifr so, whether it would be continued under the name eminfard prefent ? Ile believed the present Commander of that sierviet 1.4 ben most zealous and persevering man, up day and night ip e ac. tending to his duty, either on horseback or in his boat ; but dtfinftr, of all that, smuggling went on, and would still go on, while f:.;fl duties, which were such stimulants to it, were continued. In cini. ; elusion, he begged to salt what proportion of these 4.000 rate gtei to be employed in the coast blockade ? Sit GEO,KGE CLERK, in reply, stated, thet intended to extend the coast blockade, which had hitherto successful in potting down smuggling. The Hon. Member the !louse might recollect the late bloody affray 0.. Kent, which was the last of that sort attempted, and he had plea sure in stating, that It was owing to the active exertions of the Ns; val Commander and his Officers that they were isdalalte foe check.' ing the smugglers so effectually. It was intendect to increase thz. blockade and attend it along the east east of Kent and Sussex. to Chichester on one s'de, ant the Isle of Stumpy on the other: Tor that purpose of additional seamen would he required. hut *tatter the command of the same Officer. He was satisfied that the ex. I tension woulli check that traffic, which high denied in a great' oge, created, but which the country could not at present afford to part with. *Colonel DAVIES was of opinion that a tfirniniulon eel theme du de* would inerew the revenue, and dia. away with those enormous. establishments, which - cost this country 900,000. annually to sup ' pert. Except, perhaps , poaching, these Was no of Tenet viewed as of less mita guilt than smuggling, and as lsng as high duties wee rentinued, it would be practised- Death this ecif attending their, there was also another, namely, the continuance of !sage establish meets to collect them, and thus one became a drawback on el*, other. _______ • Alderman C. SMITH said a few words, which Trete InaudlEe in the gallery. Mr. HUME observed, that he now san nn reason whatever for adding to our navy. The revenue and the defeoce of the country shoukl not be continued m the same rate na was new Moroned the Hon. Baronet (Sir G. Cletk). If midi a plan were adopted, it would be ithpoesible to know the separateespenae of each. For. mealy the rote tor the navy only Muni the number of men en , - ployed for the defence of tat country, 'and not, as at preseht, ii•- eluding with them the ntimber employed for the' prevention of ameggling. These aervires aliould not be so mixed up, fur he Wily believed the doing so had considerably altered the tone dour seamen. The coast service was coroidered better, bemuse it was better paid ; but its discipline was of quite sr different nature from that practised imthe nary ; it wan by no mean" strict. Sir GEORGE cialtr: (aroma the table)---" Its d%cipline is very strict." Mr. Hrlilt —tot perhaps so ) bat its character was essentially different from that practised on hoard ship. In fact, lie wanted ma know the expense of each service, one of which every man knew to be necessary, but the other of which most men doubted the nee cessity. lie should also wish to know if any alteration acre In. tended as to the duties payable on the coasts of Ireland and Scot land ? In fact, he thought that the sum of 7or 1810,0001. spent iu the coast blockade, would product much mote good, if it were re mitted by taking off the name amount of duties. In 1817 rid 1818, when the Government were urged to Mabee the navy, they said in answer, that they could not come back to 18,0111 men ne ow, • as was formerly the mother, as the unsettled state of Europe rer. dered it impolitic to do so. But coupled with this, they held out a promise of reductiod•at Annie future time, and he now saw no :ea. son for an increase of .12,800 men niece that period.. in 'lie Its; year 1,008 Men were iidded to the navy, because Many en his i.d.e opposition) aide of the House actually expected hostilities would: have convenient ; but certainly nothing had since then occurred' to justify a further increase. Spain is now at peace t as tr,s the South American provineee, the speech of the American thirds dent settled that question. Thankr. to him, not to its, for. that Had the British Government acted in the same manner,much good would have been done; but it appeared its if they were Mixed of of fending the Holy Alliance, and did not dare to speak out their opie nions. t. Come what may," the Ministers said, they would not gore, war, and he now SR* 11 . 1) reason why they sh cold require a greet ec force, unless they had beater information th en in the former disrmion n• this subject. If they believed a war nee-essay, let them speak If they imagine that other Powers, Went 'boat to interfere sal h St -frown enefti, and thall they wanted an inereaa dfuece to prevent them, let Ministers Bay so. Let some other' reason be assigned than the extension of the coast blockade. He was as anxious tet' any man to nee th t t z . , Ni t u i placed on a respectable footing ; i•et objected to—its increase, bemuse no 114CirlSt ennui for such increase been as yet motioned. Unless they 'Mewed they ranted to meet some danger, he would not agree to the va", proposed to the Committee. In truth, the hiving efficient num bers, alone Would not do ; there should be a total change of system in the administration of our naval affairs. lap him were not prevented from entering the navy, anti. why ? bmiuse recent re • gulations, in place of bettering their eme.ditiries, rendered it worse. and cut off the hone's, of promotion which formerly prevailed. OW: and experienced officers were not now promoted (though lately a, few were brought lot, and he felt no hesitation in saying, that the navy would be ruined altogether if the Ermine suffered tarp mismanagement in the naval department to continua It was fog nicely the pride of the British navy, Mat all men had a chance t promotion in consequence of their talents or their services-.-even to the appointment of Commander of ies fleets ; and then it was that they . formed so striking a contra to the navies of France anti Spam, where no man could get forward who was not able to shew the gaudy quarterings of his family arms. During the last wa: many men were promoted front the humblest situations, in conse quence of-their services ; but now and henceforth that wholesome practice was to be altered. He held in his hand a cony of an Order in Council, dated January 19, 1823 (as we ur.derstand), which prohibited all persons (not continuing as midshipmen) from be. coming officers, except schoolmasters ; so that the most melt:orbit., men, rising through every gradation, m u st n ever t hi n k o f arr i v i rg at ie rank of a commissioned officer. Lord Howe thougat and acted differently, for lie promoted one of his master*, me whom, in his memorable engmettient, he (bort! Howe) in.. tributed the success of the linush fleet. %% bile such a b:.O to preferment exists men will not prise the navy. If 01.; continued to promote young officers because of their fami./ interest, the nary could nut be efficient and fit fen active service. This was a radical defect, which should be remedied without de lay. In fact, he was satisfied, if yon hallotted for 12 old °Mass out of :KM, that eleven of the twelve would agree with him in sayie-g the present system was a bad one. There was no bar to protionic a in the army ; and why, he asked, should there be one in the navy Ile thought the force of 21,000 men, voted in 1822, because of the agitated state of Europe, was quite enough for the service of t:ie country now. It was therefore his intention to divide the Howse on that question, although he should stand abbe. He had been informed of any new enemy having sprung up. Eur.pe was at tatee, and such an increase as that now called fur.war. unneces sary. If they wished to make the navy respectable, !et them, as be breve said, alter their present measures, and thousands would fio:k to their country's standard. He was anxious to see the navy the right arm of their defence• but numbers *lone, sithout the eh-mom he suggested, wo uld not conduce to its efficacy ; in short, it was now considered a forlorn hope to enter the 1.5.). The abominable system of keeping a min for life should be abo lished. •,Then, again, there was impressment--aad, almost wore than that, a species of discipline where. boys in Command were suf. fcred to flog men without a trial. [ Here It wan suggested to ca? Honourable Member that none but Captains could do to.I Ir might be that none but Captains were allowed to flog men, but they now arrive at that rank betore they would formerly nave been pass ed as midshipmen. A reduction of the navy was repeatedly pro mised by the late hoed l'astlereagh, and as lie saw no reanon, at sit events, for its increase, he would move, by way or amendmene, that 24,1110 men should be substituted for 2:1.00ei, unless he heard some explanation to satisfy him of the necessity for voting ito. increase. by h t i h r e th unoun CLEß b K ie ss 3 ;l etn i, be he r ni t tt o s i t h .tb a c e r e d b m e n en , i ter f • h y e i rm perf oo m t I %l ear y hear him j e u i s i t e i r ti i rd ed a d n ua inae an a y se protr in th nthattriatieeosuirgbelLh) e m x , p n lai t a ct th th e is ca c u o s i c i i n s t s ry l . nch l of reduction was given in litl7 ; on the contrary, ite increase was always called for by Uentlemen opposite, as bei:Jg tte main force oi the country. He never stated that the Coast Blerkade was the jai— tification of the pro Poked increase, but 'bat the unsealed state of the Wait Indies, and thelpiratice which had there taken place, to gether with the peculiar condition of ths ;tooth American procinc.a. often exercising, ',Nat least, very likelfr to exercise, rights to uni:ft they thought they had a claim ; iiiese, he said, were the reasons for requiring en increased force. %V hats these provincq and the mi. they country were in a state of war, it - ass absoliftely necessary :hat we should maintain a force sufficient for the protection of our commerce. Remonstrances ts that eras were rent ill by the 'merchants, and a few additional ships were set t out. With respect to the difficulties alleged by the Honourable Member of procuring men, he could assure him there slit none such existing, nor was the navy in that state of dryrrailrim which he imagined. Whatever prejudices might have frinnerir existed in the seamen as to the natureof the discipline were now removed, in consequence of the impm-ements made in U. In lima of pace,. the mint were only engaged for three years; in time of war, it was necessary to keep the numbers up, and it mm did r. , 1 voluntarily come forward, impressment must of mictssity be re. sorted to. The lion. Member for Aberdeen had said that men could not rise in the navy, and as an authcrity, refat,%l to an Or der in Council; but if the lion. Slember had onlv read it tistough —if he had read the whole of it—he would have found that masters who distinguished themselves were to lit promoted. of hear, hear, from the Ministerial bemhcs ) A fimematt ms i had now as much chance as formerly; and as to the chstgl of us. fledged boys having the command of ships. the lion Member writ know little of the service when be stated so. 5 % ith mine. 'in 'ha sweeping charges preferred against the navy. he would content Vt'