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th" 4-1 • t. the t 4th iadasive. *ea the Cali. . anissioners of Naval Inquiry. Sir Csaatas Put.' took notice of die time in which they were laid before the House. op the vary day when it was intended to propose the naval eatnaateo, and wken of course they )could have no time to examine and tons*, those Reports, upon which there ertimites were founder!. Upon !notion of Mr. Fosvca. the Home revolv ed itacif into a Committee on the hid% Bank Not. Bill. which they went through, and the Report was ordered to be received to-morrow. Mr. AIILILEY Coorea gore notice, that he would =eve the Ordnahce Estimateb on Friday next. 51111 , 111.1111 k The House resolved site a Committee of Sup ply, to which were referred the Nlisciellsinenus Grants for behind, and Sligo the Navy Estimates. Mr. Fosssa. then ruined, " That the sum of 40,3051. be ranted for the maintenance and sup part of the Protestant Charter Schcso's an Ireland. " Sat JONN NEWPORT Wad, • it wail notorious that aunty abuse, bed long existed in the administru. tion of theseeshinities. by diverting the funds in tended for the support of throe institutions into the pockets of individuals; if wits therefore but tiroper that Alinieters should, before they called on Parlia ment to grant that money. satiety them either that the evils complained of no lottger existed, or else that as udeq nate remedy for their correctiun was in tended to be applied. Sir Annum Wet.t.est.er admitted that abuses eartehily did exist; and said, that accordingly mea sures were adopted by the Noble Duke ila Ireland for their ineestigatimebitt the Iteportson that subject verse not yet iu a state of sufheivet forwardness to drew the necessary conclusions. Sir JUAN NSWPORT said, he would submit a motion ou the subject to the House on Thursday pest. Mr. Forme then moved, " That the sum of 26.6001, be granted fur the promotion and encou rugeineut of the linen manufacture in Ireland."— . De also moved, 4. That the sum of 1,3821. he greeted for lottery salaries;" as also, 4, the sum of 31.9001. he granted for printing, stationery, salaries, ice. for the Castle of Dublin." These several motion's were agreed to. The SLCIISTAIIf at WAS then resumed the sub ject of the Army Estimates, a part of which he had snored on a former night. Ile bed forborne going tout all the estimates on that occaeime on account a the shortness of time alien they had been prim.- stel; but now that Gentlemen had lied issue to ex suame these, lie was ready to 'satisfy the questions of any Gentleman wiin should propese his doubts. Excepting So this modes t here remained little for him to trouble the House with, as it would be Coma!, as he had lwforeoliseried, on the former 'sight, that the seecrel itense in the estimates Were ue.,rly the seine es last year, except in one or two emiiits. 'I lie first was the increase ou the Staff and Garrisons. This was occasioned by: the greet increase ethical time late Expeditions had occasioned in our Staff *bread ; bevanse, with respect to our Staff' at home, it would be found that any luerrase was but appa rent. from the system adopted, aid which, he. be lieved, ass se opproced, as to be retells:led, vie. the bringing every article of expendlinre that poinbly erne' , into the estimates, instead ofbein g uded, as firinerly,mtider the head of coutingetseiss. An ether pond of inereasse was that of thr expenses of the Loral ; the of which, however, was not eili.nlPe, as in that rests uow the expense of clothing, which Weir a certain expense ascertained. The whole exptese under this head would be found to be an increase of about 900,0001. He concluded with repeating his readiness to an swer any questions that might be put Whim. • Chin gave fist to n convet•atioli, iu winch many questions were *Aral, 114 to carious polish is the estimates, which were Stler.r ., loVely itenwerril. Mr. Ilexes. Nleserte observed upon the in erestie in the via it alquietinent of the army. He particitlarle noticed an increase of 10.01)01. in the article of fees at the Ei.ehespier. Where expenses were of a nature that added nothing to the olleietat strength of the troy, the •Ilouse should be sure that no illiertlll•H was matured hut what uppeared to he absolittely necieseary, mod 'yet 'it should aerial that there was an increase altogether of upwards 1160,0001. 'rite SkeRITARY at WAR sail, there were two hemla of actual expense, which served to swell the present estimates; the OAP was the actual increase of the nurnliers in the arm), anal the other was the Local Militia. Mr. LOSS observed, be had before stated, thut the cause of the apparent iiscrease consieted only in the estimate, mil nut in the ,chap luercase of the expenses. With respect to the fees upon the Ex chequer Bills, they hull been misralculated last year, and now they hail to make up the deficiency, together with the actual calculation for the pro:went. Lord ARLIIISALD HAMILTON, ieneral FITZ. PATRICK, and Earl TLeet.r, suceeenvely put questions, which were answrre4l. 51r. Wir.t.sms Welt se, adverting to th- bead 11ilitie. wished to be informed, a liether it ens in tended to I. rung forward , any measure for the lour poee of alleviating the hardships a Inch tlie coun ties endured from the mode in which they were liable to bounties ; because he was sucisfied, if sane means were not adopted, that force, t o tizi to the safety of the country. would sensibly disnieish in the cruse of the year ? Ile ale. sine. geste..! the n. ee.esity ordning something; for the ptir pose of petting the Jane SW August corps upon a lay the itiecollity of their t•5t31,1611- in-ntl. a jealousy existed sumo% theta. With re ssel to field 6 , theers visitaut; districts, lie conceived that the ialan of six inspeetelos in the year was-ne ther hartonit4 than otherwise, and thonglit the ser vice would hr more benetitted by only two, The SteIa:TALLY at Wee declared. the Revere! subjects of .1e,.-reation by the Flom Aletelwr eure under eunsideratiois, and remedies to the (esp... Site reds loon. intended: Mr. Ilcsne Murree eepre.‘ed Ina surprii• ;i t sinclinz the sum Of 40,004,1. Tor the ems:finis of tele golohi; he oleo milked thelisteensc in the dirge the Chiplairm for the sense. The SCCRSTARY at WAS explained upon the fatter subjeet. For there hail hero Chap lain. to (SKr TW A iiNeSt, j,ut aid-system hid b een faiitid an full of Anise. it had been set *side. tinsl its Leis of it. allowances were mode to the Clergy of the several churches in the urighboodsucid:of which • . • h I , troops were qwertered. Bet, sine the different e%- peditiens had been planned during the course of the present war, it had been deemed requisite to newt to Chaplains again, and, in order to provide respectable characters, who might be willing to un dergo the danger and fatigues of the service, Chap lains had been appointed, one ouly to a brigade, with a salary of 16s. a-day. Mr. LONG accounted for the expenses incurred under the head Telegraphs. He said it had been found necessary to establish a telegraphic inter course all along, and with the western coasts of lerlaml, and for that purpose a chain of telegraphs had been attempted to be established coastwaya, front Dublin to Cork, amid from that round by Galway. This had been found in the end imprac ticable, and in lieu thereof they were now establish log a line, inland, from Dublin to Galway, through Athlone, another through Athlone to Limerick, suid so on to the mouth of the Shannon, and u third to Cork, by means of which the communication of the whole western coast of Ireland, so essentially necessary, would be kept constantly open. This was the cause of the expense alluded to. Mr. 'MAU gICE FITOOSRA I.D (Knight of Kerry) observed, among the estimates, that for a regi ment in oar pay in the :Mediterranean, the Royal Regiment of Malta, upon which he wished to be infarnicd. We had been in poasession of the island of Capri, situate in the Bay of Naples. This hind been considered as a little Gibraltar, and impreg nable ; and yet he had heard that it had hero cur ried by a handful of the enemy ; that the garrison, composed of this regiment, had run away ; wad that the Commander, and some other Officers. from a sense of honour, had actually devoted themselves. These were the reports be had heard, but lie dill not know what degree of truth was to he attached to them. He also found enumerated arson: the rest, a similar regiment, which he wa s afraid could not be considered as to be depended on. These were facts which, in his mind, required explanation ; because, if false, such rumours ought to be done away. The view in which he mention ed theta was not as to the expense, hitt merely as to their ntility in point of fidelity. Mr. Witmzeroace, alludiug to the subject of Chaplains as now appointed to brigades, feared they would not be found to answer the purposes intended, and was inclined to think that the old system 3f chaplains to regiments would, under pro per regulntious, be Inuisd more effectual. lie also seiinusl7 recommended a greater atmution to the instiuctioa and religious ditties of the black troops in our 'arrive it the West Indies, a body of men so , peculiarly adapted to that service. he SECISTABY at WAR said, he had stated that further improvements were intended in the st stem of Chaplains, and agreed to the necessity of attending to the religions instruction of the Week troops. With respect to the transactions stated to have happened in the Mediterranean, be was not acquainted with the particulars; he had heard something of them, but they had been con tradicted. lie, however, considered it as hard, that a whole body should lie under' an imputation for the supposed misconduct of a part. Sir %Yuman Smlnt said, he had waited for this opportunity of mentioning a subject which lie con sidered as of great importance, though he slid nut know how to frame any motion on it. lie alluded to our situation with regard to Sicily. It was well known that that island was in u manner iu nor hands, and that its drfuory drioool. , l no a.. Now, though he agreed in the general p • iple, that we had no right to interfere in the intermit affaas of foreign states, yet there might be reasons when that would be absolutely necessary, as, when we undertook to defend a country, we ought to see that the proper means were taken for the purpose of that defence. It was notorious that considerable oluubts were entertained of this attachment of the Sicilian people. to the Neapolitan government.— When the late gallant General :Moore was sent out to that country, lie had had a conversation with him cia this t head, amid he had stated to him his suspicimo ; time like apprehensiousivecealso express ed to him by another General, a relation of his own. Ile W 34 net aware of any specific motion he could offer on the subject, but he felt it hits duty to call the atteution of Ministers and of Parliament to the subject, in order that the country might see thee were not inattcutive to their interests. The SECKE rARV at ‘Va a thou inured the follow ing resolutions:— That the slim of 4491)01. be g:anvil fur the support of the various officers of Hospitals, at twine awl abroad, .far lust year. V 57,7501. for the principal officers in the several public deparuneidg in Great Britain' and Leland, with their Ile reties, .V.tist•nts, Le. 2u6,0ri31. fur defraying the charges of the Half Pay List fur mg. 11 0 0 4 1 . 1 6 %. tod. for military allowances to reduced Officers is the land service fur I aug. 49,44101. tos. rid. fur the In and Oat-Pensioners of Chel sea Hospital. I,ool,tioul. for Volunteer Corps in Great Britain sod fret-tad. uvoool. for the Loral Militia ref ditto. 16,5001. tur the Royal Military College. 03,354,1. fur the Royal Asylum. 94.9 ill. his. Hit fur Chaplains to the Forces. ti:.oroul. fur Pensions. 14,t0u1. fur Children of deceased officers. . _ . . 579,4471. 17s. td. f,r thi. Ilarrark Department in Ireland. far the Comm as:mint Establishment iu Ireland. Sor (711ARLEI PoLL then put to the House, whether it was right to proceed to vote the Estimates of the Navy, when the Reports of the Con aaaa issioners of Naval Revision had been only laid spots their table that day ? Sir. WARD combated this idea as a reason for delay, as the items of expenditure had beets before them some time, mu/ theßeports only contained the reasons upon which these expenses h.ul been adopted, and they might have been adopted with out any sucli Report. PETTY Said, it was admitted that the Reports contained thee reasons on which the adoption of the expenses was founded ; all, there fore, that was asked, was an opportunity of being satisfied of the validity of these reasons, and there fore it was better to postpone the consideration of the estimates. Mr. WIIIITIILEAD observed, some of the Reports were made so fir hJek as 11407 ; be wished, there fore, to know, city th , y had hot beeu laid before the /loose until the rear 1809? tlr. WEL/341.11Y I'OLT stated, the Reports had been seat siiiti 4 ) , by the Council to the Admiralty, arid at cutisideruble intervals,, and they had been then forwarded to the respective Boarda . by whole they were to be retested, and with difficulty .go t back again. This was the cause of the delay, as he inured the House there was no with to keep back any information. Mr. Wtinsuroacx thought that the Committee should have more time to consider the voluminous Reports then upon the table, before they proceeded to discuss the other parts of the Naval E stimates, and, therefore, he approved of postponing their further proceedings till Friday. Sir CHARLES POLK expressed his disapproval of various appointments that had of late years taken place in the naval departments. The addi tional Naval Commisaioners, for instance, did not ap pear to him to have been of that service that was expected, in respect to the regularity of the pay ment of lawmen's wages. We had lately seen the crew of a tit gun-ship parading the streets of London, owing to some iregularity in their receiv ing their pay, and this they did in a nis 1111 l er lie deemed perfectly right. lie had particular ob jections both to the naval and victualling appoint- Metall ; but as the subject would again come before theta, lie should afterearde take an oppor tunity of stating Isis sentiments. Ile could not help ut present obsei-ving. that there were circum stances which spewed that notliiiig- but pet sonal in terest and patronage were attended to. It was surely of importauce the country should think there was some attention paid to economy in the service, and that such appointinents as some he could mention, were not merely attained beciiii-e a person was the brother-in-law, or had marina a sister, of a cartaiu Noble Lord. Mr. ‘VeI.LESLRY POLE, with great force, ex pressed his indignation ;it tomb insinuations. The ship which the flight Iloos Admiral had alluded to, was the .St endued, which had ret.ireed front alter severe! yours absence. The circumstance attending that ship and her crew, he could easily explain.—There is a reimlation, that alms ships come from abroad, after a long service, part of the pry is advanced to the ship's company immediately upon their arrival, if a favourable report he made of them by their Captain, and they are allowed to go ashore to visit their friends. The Standard having been favourably reported, the Admiralty made an ac.vance to the men, but it so happened that they did not came exactly under %hose rules which I entitled thew at the same time to leave of absence, The crew, not understanding how this happened, came up to Loaidou in a body, and most respectfully stated their case to the Lards of the Admiralty, who paid the utmost attention to their statement, but, while doing theta justice, they were determined not to forego their duty. They thought it a case of hiirdship, and they deterthined to enlarge their rule; they ordered theta to return to their ship, amid report themselves to their Captain. This was dune without gulag them any promise ; but the Admiralty suou &lieu-waists mile -nil them to halm leave of absence (besides having their pie) in order to visit their friends. wewen the proceeding of that Board of Admiralt:, which the Right Hon. Ad. mind declaimed against. Ha should recommend to him to make himself master of the subject before be rigida made any, such rash statement. Besides this, lie (sir Charted Pole) had thrown out insi nuations against Lord Molgrave, as making ap pointments front considerations of personal interest Mill favour, without a doe regard to the public goal. As lit this, he should say, (hut whet, it was recommended in some of the Reports to establish additional Commissioners in London. Bombay, rod Nlailras, the First Lord of the Admiralty- Bent fur the Naval Lords to the Board, and desired them to look over the list of the Captains of the Navy, and select from amongst them those that were moat proper for such appointments. This being done, he offered the Officers so selected stations accord ing to their scuiority, without knowing either them or their connections. He would next tell the Ho- nourable Dermal how the victnalling appoint ments were filled up ; When the reports respecting it were taken into consideration, it was found that there were nine millions of looney unaccounted for. They had indeed been so exceediugly vicious, that one person charged himself with four thousand casks more than had actually existed ; and another per iwig had charged 40011 casks less than ought to have !semi stated ; and yet both their accounts were such as that the eri ors could not be detected. It was impos.ibie to allow such things to exist. Be. sides this, the mode of conveying provisions wan found by much too experiuive ; and the whole la bour of the s ietiniliiiig board had inereaseal twelve fold b a ilee the year 1792, so that the duty could not be performed by the usual Ilnlllber of appoint ments. It wits found necessary to remove Mr. Marsh and Mr. Budge, who had become unfit for the duty. Their places were left to be tilled up by Lord Alulgrave, who resorted to the same mode as in the former instance he had mentioned. The Board selected the persons most proper 11 . 01' the appoint ments; amid the Noble Lord chose from among them, Mr. brow's?, who hail been Secretary to Lend Keith, had been employed under him in the Mediterra nean, and had grimly distinguished himself. The other pC7SOII 1106011eng was Mr. Aubin, who had liven store-keeper at Chatham, and who had stored under Lord flow, for several years, with honour to himself and advantage to his country. %Viten the llonnunible Baronet talked of brothers-in-la*, he (NlePole) supposed he alluded to Colonel WalAi. who hail married Lord Mulgrave's sister. .1t time that Noble Lord came to the Admiralty, very respectable Grutlemen, Mr. Harrison, was a candidete for wince:, and had liven so elueng the administration of Mr. Grenvire. That Gentle man was acconlingly allowed to retire mein a salary of 5001. u-year, being as ',stud two-thirds a the regular allowance. Colonel Walsh, being deemed an tilde man of business, a us aecordingly apitottated its his stead ; and unless a person in office were b o u n d to exclude his own friends, lie could not see that the Noble Lord had inueli to account for, haring made such a judicious appututineut. Mr. PeeceVAi. objected to further observations, on accoimt of there (wing no question before the lloure. He should propose that the matter should be resumed on Friday se'rniight. Me Wureinte•ti agreed with the Right lion. Gentleman, (Mr. Wellesley Pole). t h at where a person fell within the description proper for such an appointment, it could be no objection to hear that lie was connected with the individual through whom he had vrocured it. The Board had all eady stated that they most be men of known experiences ability and integrity, for the execution of such offices, and he had reason to apprehend that some of the appointments were not prof.-bssoual Timmer such as had %hewn themselves experienced in such matters as were likely to 170111 C before them. The Right F 10,,. Gentleman hod said, that the 1 ictual bog Board had become exceedingly vicious. Void it not appear, (ruin the vvions Reports before the House, that various Board* were victous? and yet the Right lion. Gentlewaii and his collea 4 urs had alwa.s been strenuous ia defending them how my attacks that had berm made against them, alt ou 4 it the attacks had been founded upon these Wilmot., lie was glad to find the further cousiderotrou of this matter ads to be postpouccl to a future oc casion. Mr. Fut. List said a few words in defence of his Right lion. Friend, Mr. Wellesley Pohel and started that the warmth with which he (Mr. Pole) had reptlied the attack mode upon his department of the Covt•riarient, ,heard how much lie *as pow arbtiLti or vir tue. farther ortvirtient and conversation then took place, u, WhIC:I General Ward. Mr. IVliitbread, mud fir Charles Pule, peteritily took a Ilan, and various others ware dilbposeil offer their seatimente, but the Chairman reminded them that there was 310 41Ut•Stiall regularly loathe the Committee. The resuliitious being agreed to, thu House re sumed, and the Report was ordered to be received to-morrow. NEW WRIT. A new Vrit was order' d for the Borough of Lynn, in the room of Lord Walimie, called to the House olPeers by the title of Earl ofthford. JOHN AINSLIE SHEA• Tine SPEARLit, addressing himself to the Ser •jciiiit at Arms, asked hint it he bad any report to make it s to Johu Ainslie Shea? Serjesort—" The Messenger of the House has been at his lodgings several times, and it is sup posed that he has absconded." Sri ASER—" Call iu the Messenger." Francis Wright, the Messenger, then attended at the liar, and - stated, that he had been several times to scare's for John Ainslie Shea, but that he had always taco deuied to him. Mr. L'ANAa moved " That John Aiuslie Shea has absconded, in order to avoid bei.ig served with an order of this House."—Agreed to. The same lion. Gehtlinaii next mused, " That au humble address be presented to lino Nlsjraty, praying that he will be grio•ionsly pleased In Issue his Ito!, al Proclamation, wish such reward as is necessary, for the appreheuditez and dr mining of Jolla Aiuslie Shea, alias Culvert."—Curried. DISTILLATION BILL. Mr. FOSTER wowed the further consideration of the Report of this Bill. L; mos the question being put from the Chair, Sir Jolla NEWPORT stated, that the majoriti was so small upon the former sta„4e of the Bill, he was induced again to otter some objections to its proceeding further, as it related to a subjects which ought not to pais but with the greatest so - . letnnity and precaution. " I shall now," said thi Honourable Baronet. " urge toga: Miliaria that induced me to tiii.iL this Bill ought to be setae back to the Couimittee, for the purpose of extols& in; it to Ireland as well us Great Britain. On s funnier oet asiou. the Chaueellor of the Exchequer for Irelood stated, as one of the grounds for et eluding Ireland from the operation of this Bill, that the laws could not lie properly enforced iu that country, which I think was a rcpt. sack thrown out, r affecting most grievously the national character of the Irish, by ins:limiting that they are naturally disinclined to obey the laws. hear•olle of the tarot Ministers of that country saying. that the laws cannot be enforced. is staking at the mot of that principle be which any set of people tat: to lie %urethra. The causes and consequence. of • such an avowal ought to Lo well weighed be. fors it be made. I do not, fiir my part, think that the Irish people are born with a disposition to resist the laws. A prudent Legislature would nub Cher inquire whether there were soy injustice and defects in those laws themselves. thsu thus wan: tonly attribute a disposition in any body of peoWe to diailie7 tliciti. adduce the authority of en Englishman, who wrote at a period much earbet than the present, upon this subject. Sir Julio Da. des Wales, that no nation under the sun is naturally more disposed to obey the laws than the Irish air. provided they he assured that equal justice is to be done to them. The trports of the officers who have hew entrusted with the eincution of this Bill, phew that the disobedience to it was aot owing to t' , e lower orders of the people, but that it was the higher classes of sedge, who fouud they could not get their rents, unless they iso courpt4.-.1 distillation from grain Meer! 'hear hear! from Air. !Wier.) Do not then let the lower orders of the people be aspersed' by the charges of ilhmliedience being couliiied to them, if there he such *resistance amongst the higher sliders. .1 he prices of grain in Ireland are higher sit present than they were in May last, and on what grounds, I would ask, was Ireland included List year, end not to be so in this ? From the prohibition of distillation from grain in Ire land last year one Vela good had resulted to that country ; I mean the extending the cos.sinuption of malt liquor. By cosferriug such a siiiistiorte for spirits, you are doing more for them than anv law ) 011 can pot upon your Statute Book. It Iree been stated, that in Idol taelvir flionmannl paa chertot of spirits were &tilled trona sugar in ii-- land, and yet now it is said that a lasi of a sign;si tendency cannot be executed. I hose 1043 argument furnished by the Right Hon. Gintleman apposite, in support of what I am *tenant. Ile has come down to toe House, suit proposed, witliiii this few hours, an increased provision for every woe of lint charitable institutions iu Ireland, on account of the increased price of provisious, a?d yet be is proposing in renew the distillation from corn. be cause orthe low ',rice of provisioos. This is per fectly absurd. Are re to take the authority of the Richt Honourable Gentleman both Mari, just as it pleases him, and snits his porpoise i The very °Nett of grunting these additional sums will be defeated, by allowing this distillation from corn. From a comparison of the prices of grain in ler, MOP, sod leo9, it will apprise that tt s increased price is not owiug to any particialos , 1 1 .. , . . . . . . ' , 1 I , I , .. 1 . . . , .. . , i 1 , . . . . 1 4 . 4 1 I. i 1 . I . I a P, i 1, I l • 13 ti . - ~.