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tiulacintss. Nothiug could destroy the cliatioe of reformation more completely than the stowing toge ther, lis this MINIM'. two or 300 unhappy creatures. They were told that soldiers null sailors were lint placed in a better situation. But their treatment was widely different. One-half of the soldiers on sills-board were always on deck, and one-third, sometimes one-half, of the sailors. With respect to this point, he had spoken to officers, who had been engaged on foreign expedit ttttt s, and they de elated dust a more dreadful scene of suffering tool iorinent could not be imagined, than that which ,tire troop-ships prevented on such °commis. Ex ,crpt wirers duty obliged them, they would not go below, on account of the heat and stench. Most of the individuals were naked, for, when they arrival the hut latitudes, they were unable to wear their clothes. Except on board slave.ships, nothing could be conceived mere disgusting. If this were the case with the army end navy, what most the situation of the convicts he ? In the army riot navy, amidst all their sufferings discipline was prey-rued—but what discipline was to be found amongst the con victs I To prevent mutiny, rank were placed on the deck and gang-way, but this was all the control to which they were liable. Was it not a fact, the whole voyage was passed in gambling, in sing ing 'indecent songs, in every species of vice ? Could it be otherwise, when they had nothing to employ their minds, except the selection of means to get rid of all reflection ? Dial they not endure greet bodily torture ? If the laws never intended, which they never did, !hat convicts should writhe under bodily torment, and sink under mental de gradation, it formed a good reason 1,,r abrogating the whole system.—/Hear, Gear./—Wltli respect to New South Wale., perhaps lie might he told, that the situation of that colony had been the sub ject of inquiry, in 1812, and that there was no necessity for iiivrOlgiitleir its present state. To this he would illiPlWtr, that they were now in the year 18 19—and lie could prove that the situa tion of that colony was most materially altered. Jo coon/legume, of numerous complaints with which the office of the Noble Earl (Bathurst) had been assailed, he understood a person lied been sent out to inquire into the various topics connected with lire colony. That person (we understand Mr. Pilafs. den) he bad long known, and • snore humane or intelligent individual could not have been selected. But it did not follow, because his Majesty's Go. "eminent had done their duty, that the House of Commons were to abstain from performing theirs. There wed are point which the House was impera tively called on to investigate. He meant the ex ruse winch she colony totalled on the lowlier country. From the year 1788 to 1819, it had cost no less than 4,000,000/. and the expense was still in creasing toe very great degree. By the 28th Report of the Committee of Finance, in which sill the *Duvets of expense were enureenited, the Com- Mitter asked this question—" list is the expense uhich the colony incurs--and what expense ought it incur ?" The following was the sum it cost for ii series of years From 1788 to 1707 ibe average per year was € 88,455 11.. m IVA to 1811 From lel! to 1816 Ft 1.161 1818 hi 1111/ For ids year 1017 Ile knew not. rad he believed his Majesty's Go vernment did not know, what the esperise at 1818 was. In this stmement, it was to be obeeeved, that the expense of the colony, and of the trausPor tanon of Moos were mixed together. If he entered into the entire question of the stale of this colony, he believed it would be found that the history of no country could present ■ greater waste. or a more complete swiesisppropriution of public money. If they looked to the way in which it was governed, it wur roost objectionable. In the first place. the Governor regulated the 'nice of labour, viltich • was as extraordinary stretch of power. lie also fixed the price of provisions, five-sixths of iihreh, he believed, were provided by him. RIF. fie also bad the power of opening and ,hotting the public stores, and the ports of the i•laud. Persons Caine from different parts of the i.lesid with the produce of their farms. They . bound the stores shut—and anxious to procure some money fur their commodities, they sold them st redeced prices. 'rite very next day the stores were opened, nod their grain was surly bocst•d there. Look at the wretched situation no which the colonial settlers, who were little abuse the rank rif peeper's. were placed. They sent down their grail,, believing the Government stores vo.ulil be apes', and that they would receive Joi, t ier Int.:it-I for if. They blood them, by the Governor's coustnand, shut—they were then c.iiniolled to tstse six or seven shillings per bo•hrl—sad they found that the ♦ery persona who had made pur chases, lodged them, iu the coli:.e of a abort time. in the Government more.. 'Chia was u thing of censtaint occurrence. It was most ill. parlous to the Colony, and he was ready to prove the fact at the bar of the House. 111 the year 1813, the Goverour imported a great quautity of gr 3 .1. ‘Viirt followed ? The crop of that year was ieunnkahly abundant, but the stores were tilled %oil the imported corn, and the farmer could not get more than .ss. per bushel. 'flue consequence •144%, that fir wasted his grain, that he led his hogs with it. Wont was the result ? A scercity fol lowed. and, ist the end of the year, the Goveruor wanted to purchase the•renmeinder el the grain he had originally missed. for which he was °Wig, d to pay tti•. pee bushel. IVitli regard to meat, it had been customary for the Government to give krl. per pound for it. lint Goveraor Mac/fa:arm lamed an order, without all hour's notice, that in stead of 9.1. only 61 bliould be marl iu future. . Two, :by his coommod, the property of tar r y m an lii the Colour, who burl cattle, was depreciated 45 per.cent. 110 atop could be lint to such wisest palatable conduct, for a consfrlerable period. The I "illimaute of New South Wales were the umliporks Eoglionl, Mid a complaint could not be made here in u'intich less period than twelve months.— To call this a counuercial Colony was a mere /flack tiy: It was, in point of fact, al/ agricultural Colmq. It might, indeed, produce. Perc•es finer than those of Spain, and as fine as the Saxon wool ; tioy ► fetch the very highest Prices m the European markt i; but still the Colony was vumpleti ly agricultural. He Brow came to the ad h.•nu.traUuu of justice in the Cdony. Of late jraa, Govetisuieht had brio out two or three per awls to act /9 the judicial department ; 'Jut Siiii 111! notilsl 'hew, that there was a necessity for the re visiois of the law. There sea- ,o Court, called, lie believed, the Judge- Atlvocete's Court. in which the person who presided was scabbard by two of the in habitants of the place. A perm's,' hail recently writ ten home that lie had been there nose moralis e and that scarcely any &manic/re wits trinsaucted, In the lest Committer, it was recommended that Trial by Jury should he eatablished there. Attached as lie was to (hat mode of trial, he was not prepared to sa y, th a t it would be a arise and salutary measure to resort to et regent. Bin he wanted the Wine. he wanted the politic In hear the firth-rent opiinaus nit the subject. Ile wished the question to be openly mid fairly dec'ileil, and not set at rest its cruise qnence of any sort of consinuincations tussle at the office of Earl Ilathurst.—( 1 leer, hear.)—The ap ponitnient of Nlaeiatrates was a question of great importmice. The Governor, he understood, had nominated two persons, of the name of Johnson and Lord. to he Magistrates, although lie knew they had been convicts. l'he floss. :Wernher here adverted to a statement he had ramie, that a per son, who filled a considerable situation its the Co lony (we understand that of,Surgeon-Genred), had heels transported to Botany Bay. He f 11:e was mirtaken--and he now, as publicly re the injury was done, declared that has statement was erreneosis. He had stopped the circulation of the pamphlet, and had excluded from it the sheet ill winch the statement showered. Ile was nut only ready to say, that lie had done an injury, must unuitention ally—but he would also declare, during which this individual Idled the office, lie had conducted himself with great probity.—(llear, hear.)-11nt the system of raising convict+ to the nook of Ma- ' gistratea, was most mischievous. It would lee un wire in any country, hot particularly here, to tole rate such a state of things, as would give an op portunity to u prisoner at the bar to reproach the person before whom he was tried. with having been once in an equally dishonourable eituation himself. To place two such men as Me had described in the situation of Magistrates. was most improper. He should like to know the opinion of his Majesty's Goverinnent on the subject, arid whether they had reprimanded the Governor for such • breach of duty—( !!ear.)—He learned from The Sidney Ga zette. that Mr. Lord, who was placed in the Com mission of the Peace, was also an auctioneer and • merchant. The respectability of the administra tion-of Justice in that country might be judged of by this circumstance, that Mr. Lord came down from the Bench, stepped into a cart, and pro ceeded to sell blankets.—(Laughter.)—He now begged the attention of the House to a subject which moot interest the best feelings of their hearts—he. meant the state of crone in that Colony. lie could not get the accurate infra , mallow which was to be derived from the returns rent to the Secretary of State's office, and was obliged to found his observations on the statements contained in The Sidney Gazette. He learned ' harm them that there were tin less than 27 persons ca. pitally convicted there at two Sessions, in 1817—and, if lie averaged the number, per annum, at 40, he did tiot think lie would be above the mark. This, consi dering the population, was about one individual in fire hundred. Let the House contrast this with the state of crime in England. He found, that, in Devonshire, 11 persons were capitally convicted in the last half-year, out of a population of 383,308 or one in '9,48.5. In the county of Warwick, where the AislZes were considered very heavy, he found that twenty-seven persons had been capitally con victed in the half-year--or one in B,7s9:—And, in Yorkshire he fuand, greatly to the credit of that large county, that, during six mouths of the year 1816. only twenty-four persons were capitally con victed out of a population of 987,000—0 r one in 41,000. So t h atin this school of reform, which Eligland had beets supporting for thirty years, vice and crimir.alty had arrived at a much higher pitch that" in the mother country. It was int , posaohle to open any one of those Gazettes without i feeling ;ulled at the long details which they con tinued of every species of guilt and villainy. Perhaps these never was a cituotry on the face of the globe in which the same degree of guilt prevailed. The He's. Gentleman next adverted to the power assum ed by the Governor of inflicting arbitrary punish ineists—mud instanced the treatment of there free I inept, who were punished with tseenty-five lashes each by the public executioner, because they had entered, through ass aperture in the wall, into a place which Governor Macquerrie called his park. One of there men was a most ingenious artist, and had iiivented an iiistruniesit by which the centre of the dollar was knocked out. By this expedient, which lie recommended to the notice of the Bight Hoisoureble Gentleman (nlr. Wellesley Polrl, Government had saved 10,0001.—since the dollar, after the perforation, was current for as iiluell as it was received for before. %%lieu the Governor came home, he knew he was liable to an action—but that was co reason why the House should shut its eyes on such a transaction.—/ !fear, hear.) —The Governor acted etitirely as his awn will and pleasure dictated—and, be conceived, it was wrong in his Majesty's Government to place `20,000 Englishmen within the power and caprice of on individual, unamtated fly a Connell, and free from any advice or restraint whateser.—(Hear, hear.)—Again, the Crown, acting by the Gover nor, exercised she whole authority of raising money. It might be mud, that this sea:, a conquered Colony, and that therrlciv this right was vested in the Crow's. But he denied that New South Wake siais a conquered Colony—and he was ready to meet soy ono' on that question. Ten shillings a gallon aria placed out spirituous liquors--6d. per lb. on 1 1 )Imitii—.1144.1 Vitt loos other duties were resorted to— all of which produced mutually the sum of 20,0001. Thase insposhs were, hr conceived, illegal. That Hotese ought impose a tax—bait the Crown, an a Crown, hail ilot the slower to do it. The Hon. Gen tleisiais next touched of the bUl.leCt of moral end re. lq:V1(011,4 Clitirallun in tlit! CUts)ll7, Which he described to lir no a most deplorable state. Many of the colt- Inerve Irish Cetisolics, who received no religious instruction whatever ; for lie did not think they de rived any from the order if the Governor, st Ito com pelled them, by the iliterventimi of a number of constahles, to attend a place of Protestant worship every Sunday. In the Church where they were the; assembled, every thing took place except what was most suitable to it. The Cathedics, rather than submit to any Prioestaist rite, lived unmarried, and refuerd obedievce to every ceeraccay of the Chuich of England, encept the new one, discovered by the Governor—that of tit aching together,. per force, to the Protestant piece of worship. A Catholic Priest, from Ireland, went, of his owl) warted, to his countrymen in New Smolt Wales—oat i.e was first emit to prison, and afterwards ahipprd from the island by the Governor, who declared that he would toter but one reltgiois in the colony. But surer• it was better to have virtue and morals with 50 religions, than to have vice will crime with nue. —( Hear, Iseur.)—Thu poor Irish laineuted exceed ingly the departure of the clergyman. They slued tears as lie left them, and appenred rather to lie Ll lutvisrt some beloved friend to 11,1 grave, than this it p a stor to the vessel which was to bear Lim away. Out of 4,000 children, nut more 1,000 received schiml education, the reina"iting 3,001) were wholly neglect ed ; and, of the toitire body of females in the colon), tint more than 400 were known to go to Church. Those who knew the value of u religious education to the female sex in this country, would easily con ceive from this statement what a dreadful laxity of, murals there must be amongst the women ill New South Wales. Indeed, vest numbers of these un happy beings, when their hours of labour %sere over, were obliged to roam the streets, to support themselves by 10-osmotic'''. The male colivicts, who had constant access to them, became rob bers, in order to support the feinalr►—•and not a farmer could leave a bushel of wheat ill his bans, a sheep in his field, or hug in les sty, that was not liable to be stolen, when lie was asleep, to assist those unfortunate prostitutes. The Hon. Member inveighed strongly against the man ner an which public-houses were licensed. In the last year, no less than 5i were established. If permitted at all, respectable psi suns ought to hold them. But he believed they were given to persons who had been convicts. One of them was kept by a Mrs. Hazard, the wife of a notorious character, well known in ►his metropolis by the epithet of (Word Bob. Could this be soy other than a flash-house, a receptacle for all the thieves in the Colony—a piece where stolen goods of every description could be safely deposited? Front the accounts received, it might be raid encou ragement had been held out to every species of vice. Persons besides who went out there with their purses full, from their iniquities and crimes in England, set up shops, and insulted the indus trious settlers. If it were desirable, as he thought it was, to give rewards for good conduct in that colony, no NM so was it that shows should be avoided in the exercise of that doscretion. Ile had nu hesitatton in saying, that if the settlement were well governed, and its resources wisely drawn forth, it might he made, instead of a seat of immorality and a nursery of vice, a source of great profit to the country. Much of the wool used in our tuanu factories might be imported from thence. Mr. M'Arthur had last year sent over not less Iliad 8,000 fleeces. The territory was of vast extent, well calcu lated for the feeding of sheep aid other cattle, and the culture of the olive and vice. Lamentable as was the state of morals at present, dishearteniug the reports of the general state of things, yet, he had 110 doubt that, under another system of manage uncut, the country might derive important advats tages from the colony; but above all other ineatie of improvement, it should not be saturated with criminals. Writers slid legislators had been many ages inculcating the necessity, and describing the benefits, of severe poilisliments by way of example; but it was an error to suppose, that examples could ever effectually suppress the commission of crimes. The true preservative against crime, was a coissuc tion of the facility of detection. They might enact punishments as mild as they pleased, provided they could at the same time associate in the du of the community the idea of offence with that of the certainly of detection. In doing that, they would have effected snore than if they were to load their Statute Book with harsh laws and cruel penalties, airainst which the good sense mid humanity of so n ciety would revolt. He begged pardon of the House for having engrossed so large a portion of its time—(lrear,l—and moved That a Select Committee he appointed to take into con. sislerasion she state of the tranapurtat of offeudera, and the state of the Colony of New South Wales. Lord CASTLEREAGH said, that stay observations he should feel it necessary to make on the speech of the Hon. Gentleman, would apply to its general scope and teller, rather than to the details into which he had entered. He was not in possession of much information to disclose to the House, but he was sure that he laud friends about him who would reply to whatever had fallen from the Hon. Gentleman that seemed to require a particular an swer. He wished to direct the House to what was the main object of the Hon. Member's motion. It was inquiry ; and here he should take the oppor tunity to say, that he should be extremely sorry to believe that that Hon. Gentleman considered him to be hostile to his views. Such was not the fact ; it would be treating him with injustice to suppose that he was an oppouert and not an ally to the Mover.—( Hear.)—He regretted that the pressing and various business which had hitherto fur a long series of time employed the House, had not afford ed more leisure for an examination into the general state of gaols, and plaices of that nature ; but it was his intention 11l a short lime to move for such an inquiry on the most comprehensive scale, which would take in the consideration of that question to which the proposed motion referred. Therefore, having fairly stated that he was not an opponent to the Alm her opposite in his ultimate views, lie hoped he should receive credit for the sii!cerity of his intentions, when he said, that lie did not approve of the mode in which the Holt. Gentleman wished to carry his views into e ff ect. He allowed that if the proposed inquiry stood on insulated grounds, it might be a fair subject for a Committee ; but if be should-sliew that it did not—that it was inferior to, and included in two other intended inquiries— and that in fine the Hon. Mover was not pursuing the best course to attain his own purpose—he trust ed that, in candour, he would give it up und join with him. The appointunot of a Committee then, on that particular subject id inquiry, would very much interfere with and rintiorrass that on tine ge neral subject, the particular inquiry contended for formed only a part of u Combiliation„ all con nected with each other, and proper to be consider. ed conjointly. lie did nor think the case ors, Which called for a eaparate Cousinittee, as if there were lAD general question to winch it was subordi site. It was Gut, by any means, the first time throat?. jet 11.14 I.IVPII lalen np, In the year 1812 an lion. Afent!rer, whose loss to the Goose lie had to la moil!, who, from the extent of Ilia mind, and fer vour of Ina humanity, was well uiliportl to condliet Old) WI I itve•tigatiois, moved fur a Committee simi lar to that now desired. The Committee sat, and made an elaborate Report, which he then held in hie ha n d. The Noble Lord limn reatl the conclud ing 'paragraph of the Report, to spew the opiiiion of that k:ommittee on the conduct of the Govern ment respectitig the Colony, to tile following ef feet ! " Anil it lit the opinio' or eir rummittee, that if the C.! hag nut rntirrly an.werr.l Ih culls iz.oillly I ...al.:u rn, tt but lately swatted lII,' urn. ill us 1. , ao.Ary I.ll"iition iif And that urn,. 1..5. 1.. ru a, nt iiui, if acted ma produce lii. , 11111%1 efredia." Such was the opinion of the former Cosninittee on the part pursued by Governme sit. Ile could assure the Honourable Geutlrunan ilast th-re wii no re enussos,s t o b e hist to its cis Irv.. Ills Noble Friend at the 'wad of the Cobol's! Department had lately procured a Gemini/41i to procure such minute mipsrmation as could not la- obtain ed but upon the slim, with a view to making all practicable 'improvements iii the condition, l,abttw, nisi morals of the population. Let it nut then he nuppoved that all care of the Colony hail been thrown otf, suet that it IMM% abithdOlird to all species of misgovernment nod immorality. The Honourable Geotlemaii knew that three individuals had lately arrived here from New South Wales, sod could afford st valuable information ; lie assured him that in the course of inquiry retviumeeeled by him self, the opportunity should be anded him of obtaining it in as ample u manner as he could desire. He did justice to the motives by wish the lion. Member was actuated ra bringing goes boos of this n:sture before the Hotise—(//eue)— lie believed conscientiously they were of the purest kmd, but lie carried so much zeal with him as sometimes threw a cloud, he must be permitted to say, over his good sense and discernment ; his mind, on many occasions, received a false colour from ex parte evidence, on the strength of which too he sometimes came here and pledged lime:elf further than, in his opinion, he should. For exaimilr, was it a cause of excessive astonishment that in Botany Bay, the majority of whose population consisted of persons convicted of crimes, many of capital ones, there should be found more critintiols in a given period than in the county of Was wick—a county of what he hoped he might call a civilised and mural country ? The Hon. Gesitlemati's opinion also of the system pursued in the hulks appeared, from his statement of th it 'light, to have undergone a great revolution. The Hon. Geiptletalates sensitive mind had passed from the state of tile convicts to that of soldiers on board transports, and he had asked, what would be the sensation of any Gentle man in the House, if he had gone down, and been assailed by the smells to which that class of prisons are exposed. For his pert, he had never gone down into the cabin of ally packet without having his nose saluted by a disagreeable smell ; and not only were soldiers, but gentlemen and ladies too, obliged to submit to it. They could not look at the question in an insulated point of view, it could not be sepa rated either from the consideration of the criminal law, of which notice had beet' given by au Flom Gentleman on the opposite side of the House (Sir J, Mackintosh), nor from that into the state of prisons fur which lie himself intended to move. Ile hoped the whole subject, in all its branches, would be gone into fairly and dispassionately, and that every imlividual capable of taking a part in the inquiry, whatever might be his general opinions, would cols trihnte the benefit of Isis assistance. He should think it a great misfortune to be debarred of the co-operation of the Hon. Mayer of the question before the House, or of the Hon. Gentlemen who had given notice of the other 'notion to which lie had alluded ; he should consider that, without them, the inquiry would be mutilated and rendered abortive. It was for the House to consider which of the three inquiries was fit to be the leading our. Ile looked upon this as the lesst fit, because the most harrow, and it would not only come within the investigation contemplated by him, but would form one of its most important branches. Ile was of opi nion that his was the best entitled of the three to be the basis of the question. In proposing inquiry into prisons and hulks, he did not wish to exclude the state of the criminal law—but that division of the subject could not be examined effectually without considering what bad been the effect of those se condury punishments which would perhaps be sub stituted in a vast number of instances liar capital ours. It was better to begin with the practical than the abstract consideration of the question. His object was to take the most continued and comprehensive view of it, rather than to split and separate it. He should, however, be sorry to treat the 'notion in such a manner as to imply . any lass tility or censure, and should therefore move the previous question. Mr. WILBERFORCE Paid the speech of the Noble Lord, as he understood it, consisted of two parts— the tendency of the first was to depreciate and dissuade from inquiry—the latter recomtnelided it, but condemned the mode.—( Hear.)—Now when a Metnher professed himself favourable to the object of another, but opposed him, merely because he disliked the mode in which lie proposed to attain his object, he could not help suspecting the since rity of htio professions.—(Bear./ Lord CASTLEREAGH here rose and said, he was sure his Hon. Mend did not wish to militate him, but that, notwithstanding, lie was cluing w. Mr. WILBERFORCE writs only stating it so his opinion, that the latter part of the Noble Lord'. speech was at complete valiance with the former. He supposed the Noble Lord roust have forgot the first part, by the time he got to the second.—(4 laugh.)—But he would appeal to say ,Gentlernsu in the House, whether, if lie had gone away after the first part of the speech, lie would net have supposed the Noble Lord averse to inriniry alto gether.(Hear, heur.)—lle had not heard any reason assigned for refusing - inquiry. , The Mem ber who had, with so much credit to himself, opened the debate, lied stated on good gromid., the existence of very great defects to the Colony, it was extremely desirable that a Committee plionld examine into the origin, estetd, owl tat,ons of re moving them. He had hoped the Noble Loud would have made ato ,attempt extilalit or deny the statements of obuires. If he had done so, it Inuit have beeo *bile lie was absent, fur he had • • not heard a sittgie word of dill sort route from him. All the cooroilistsCry twitter which had fullen from the Noble Lord was,, that ceitaiss princi ples had heels put in action, from which good might be expected. Certainly great negligence had prevailed on the pert of the Governmesd. io the inanagensent of the Colony, and it was not surprising, from its rsonnteuess. One of the greatest evils of the Criminal Code was, that the nominal warm wits not the real system. They assorted ar erre penalties against ist'elices. The intelligenre mid Immunity of the times would not permit them to he put in execution, except tit a veiy few ewes ; 1111 d thus a gemlshog .peculation, N. to the hope of escape, was acted on by the offeiider. The Member flies, argued out the exisedieltey of having the inquiry into the state of New South lee completed previous to entering nn that proposed by the Noble Lard, which lie did not see could be of much more avail in shewisig the vicious effect. of our prisons thou Nlr. Howard's bock. If the inquiry into New South Wales were made subser vient to the other, the Coiner on it h e but half done, or done very imperlsc!tc. If , ' s' acted the los qiiiry world go 4)11 littitiorritely ts.)- totOrmatattir rilsclooed by the Nlenilier oho d e i i , e , watt the mole worthy the tasissofe:atioo of t ',e csa.r, as it ca me front a gentleman of a- mu" is prolnt, good sense. and without pritessiltio 4 i:ver wee seo lability, ea 111114:111 real humanity ter visited the settlement, whose n11111111:1. Alien knots is, would entitle him to as high a st a ti on iuthe MOrat tourhl as rosy individual ever sitsioed. That gen tleman had taken tutu his own 110.i.e two iuhr bitants of New Zealand, shit he iti.o.o lulus en tictitt iiiitaitee with the lestgtwige and . Iti.latt. of Out people, nod after having done so, vt.:isosed his per :Van it. the danger and liort.tl of prof slating ii bar barrios country for the purpose o! conve.ting the nab yea. It 'sneered fist ureic %ere thtillsalide of women in Botany Bay who hail ;to mean. of sub sistence but in o stiiwo r o; could son thing more powerfully *hew the necessity of ioquiey ? These things were going ou when Lord Ali Stool's Coin 'inure was silting, hot not a wool .r it wa• beard there. 11 s Noble Friend told them a le-rson Was going nut nosier the auspices of Government ; lie knew the person. and he was 4 , 11 , rittiiletitly gold litied fur the office; but why w.it many yearr, for information wile., they had it aillre.tily. He wed sorry inquiry had been t aodprosed so long, and astonished to see his Noble Fis e ml now opp ms e the tritium). It was the first time shire the peace, that any question for the moral reforintioli of the people was brought forward, and that was the way in which Missesteis niet it.—lieur, the more regretted that isolispositons on the part of the Government, as it would deter the wise iu their generation from cuirditg forward with wh a t information they 'night possees.—(llear s hear.) — One view of this questims wits of awful wlpit Noce, here they were forming an irnmen.c colo n y, which. if not reformed. would certainly he a '.-A of vipers for all that country. lie hoped tie toquiry would be carried on separately. Lord CASTLEREAGH and Mr. W LBERPORce mutually explained. Mr. (ion LIM atr contended that the st.teineist of his Noble Friend had been mistakes, by the Meru. her who spoke hod. Ile argued that by going too a Committee now, the inquiry woold he carried OR He then rel.-tied to a letter on ex pule evidence. in his hand, written by a geotlemais in orders. as respectable its Air. Nisrodett isiruself. It was very long, and was a satisfsetany proof of the improvement of which the couvicta were capa ble, and of the inipiestions entertained on that pond by some of their ()XII body. He lamented the difficulty that was gruer.illy felt in providing sufficient religiniim instruction, not fur New South Wales alone, but for every other colemy, and wet of Clergymen of the Estabh•lied Church alone, but also of every other Peel. lie alluded to the, case of' the Irish Priest, °Tips's, who had been Rent by the Goveroor from New South Wales. This Mr.. I:nova:nice was true, but the e . ..a.e was of a slater, as to nffind sufficient jowitivotiiiii to the Governor, O'Flytin hail some tine sluice addressed a letter to Lord Bathurst requesting that lie might be perenittt it to proceed to New South %Vales as a Human Catho lic Bishop. Oil application respecting this man to the heads of the Catholic Church, it was understood that lie was in every respect improper. This indi vidual subsequently wetit to New South Wales chnitlestiudy, and as soon as his character was made known to the Governor he was di iven from the co lony. lie remarked, generally, upon the iitipeissibilty of establishing in a Colony, so constituted as was New South Wales, the same regulations of society as in one wherein .ortural and a 'coil principles had been longer recognised. The stale of morals in New Sou t h Wales was not indeed such as could be desired but no rem. sure could be attached to the Governmeut. An argument had been drawu by the Hon. Gentleman in proof of the want of murals in site Culuuy, that nut more than 400 females were in the habit of attending divine service; lint tie argm. meat should be &dared from th:s co.cutostauce, without taking into cousideratison the propurilon litiWCell the Isom. her of mates and females in the Colony. lie held iu his baud a paper, sbewing the number of convicie transported within the years 1816 and 1818, from which it appeartd, that the males were 3,535, and the females 29l —(Fleur.)— With respect to the buildings appropriated io the fur she accommodation of female convicts, he !.id to Stale did two years since R factory was in contemplation, but it belts. at that time strongly recommended to the Goveruor, 1144 three clioccbes were necessary, he suspended the factioy until the churches one twill ; and tom she churches twang finished, the factory was iu a very forward slats of prepara tium—rilear, hearsi—He was very ready to rive every formation us. the subject that might be requitid, hut it a s impossible fur die House to undertake any fortiorr inquwy twill the result of the inquiry hy the Commission already •ppuiiited was aseertaitted. sir llsse M•RTIN rend several extracts from private letters from couvicta, expressive of their gratitude for the kindness mid siteittwo with which they had beeir ticarcil dosing tie voyage; also ui extract from a letter Cum kir John Gore, Commander iu the Medway, stating, that lie hart visited the Baring tramper' ship a few days after the vim of the Honourable Gentleman (Mr. Bennett), and that Hot convicts were cowfurtpbly and well treated. He cmp.rf•seJ his !tsdipsatiou that Dr. Halloran had hid a cabin to lottr. self, much better than was usually assigned to Lieutenants in fripics. The Honourable Member, however, atekttow. hedged, that is the Surrey convict ship, fifty perilous had died. Sit 'AMPS 51aclatalims6 said, be,dottuldbe unjusiiibble, I were hr to occupy the time of the /loom aft. r the veil able and Militant speech of tie Filosuserable Member fur Bomb. r (Mr. Wilberforce). Tbat Honourable Member had Vol WI: puled to the Nimble Lord $ deans to stifle lagniry. He ass well understood she rules of gooddsreeding, and list newC , of PiliritillAtOt, to make such 4e - charge ; but it was swim tot that when liar Noble Lord proposed as istqatry w gate. 31 Is destroy its owa objects, it trusted to render it altueerhor • mockery. He commented upoo tbc contradicts:li y,cti.irai.ta V ; 1 ~au stolen on geloa groottm-, me " were hr existence of very great defects to the Colony, "nth"nth and occupy the iime of the House after the very able loilh•nt sptreeh of the Homuserable Member fur Bomb. r it was extremely destrablg that It Committee slawild (Mr. Wilberforce). That Honourable ilieniber had c ut um : I examine lot° the ori g i n , e xt ent . an d l a t .-nos of re- 1 puled to the N o ble Lurd a dews to sidle imptoil. He tots - moving thew. tie had hoped the No'ole Lotd well understood the rules of good.brecdirte, and ii,e oss e e • would have made nu atieurpir .to or deny Parliament, to make such a'eltarec ,• but it was soot f It ~ that when Site Noble Lord proposed se Inquiry to et:weal 1 1 1 the stateme n ts of o b u i res . 11 h e heel done '" to destroy its one objects, it tended to render it alturerie-r • Midi have been *hilt Le was absent, for he had saocitery. He communed lipoid/It contrsdletely chsirsout • • i