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I II N I . fi I . 4 _ - HOUSE U& CA/SIMONS; WIDNLIIDAT, Jos* 17. istecebbateanus. • Mr. ROBINSON presented a Petition from the Vie tuallen and Publicans of Ripon, in the Comity of York, against the Beer Licensing Bill. Mr. Alderman BRIDGES presented similar Petitions from several individuals keeping pablie houses in differ eat parts of the City of London. Mr. ROBARTS presented similar Petitions from for Publicans of various towns. Lord G. SOMERSET presented a Petition from thou• cestershire to the same effect. . Mr. WODEHOUSE presented similar Petitions from Lincolnshire. and other places. Lord BINNING presented a similar Petition from Gillingham. Mr. 11. COOPER. presented a similar Petition from the City of Gloucester. Mr. G. LAMB presented Petitions of the same nature from various places in the County of Hertford. Mr. CALCRA PT presented a similar Petition from Gravesend. He thought the measure should net be car ried through this. Session; but he should vote for its going into a Committee, in order that the principle should he &weaned. Mr. BROUGHAM concurred in the opinion of hir lion. Priced. He observed, that if the consumers of beer were the effect of the Bill. their Petitions would come before the house in a much larger proportion than those now presented by the parties interested in the ex istence of the established system. Mr. BYNG presented a similar Petition from an indi visin.si Brewer. Also a Petition from the Inhabitants from St. Pan cras. and another from the Parish Clerk of St. Pancras. against the Uigbgate Chapel Bill.—Referred to a Com mittee. Mr. F. BUXTON. presented a Petition from a Psb lican, against the Sale of Beer Licensing Bill. He should show, when the prop►r occasion arrived. that ►his was the most oppressive, and the cruelest measure that ever was brought into Parliament. Mr. Alderman WOOD presented several Petitions to the same effect front individuals who were his Consti tuents. Sir E. HARVEY presented seven Petitions to the sam► effect, from various towns. Mr. C. CALVERT presented a Petition front the in. habitants of Holloway and Kentish Town. against the Highgate Chapel Bill.--Referred to the Committee. Mr. VANSITTART presented a Petition against the Beer Bill (coin Hereford. Mr. BIITTERWORTH presented similar Petitions from thisport, Portsmouth, and Partite. Mr. NUMB presented a Petition from Henry Constan tine Jennings, complaining of the exclusive privilege enjoyed by the Universitiesof printing Bibles, and pray ing that the subject may receive the early attention of Parliament. —To be printed. Mr. T. WILSON presented a Petition from the Li censed Victuallers of the City of London against the Bee, Hill. Also a Petition from the Ship-owners of the Port of London, complaining of some provisions in the Stamp Act.—Ordered to be printed. Mr. 0. BENNET presented five Petitions from "Ari an. Individuals against the Beer Bill. Mt.IIOBHOUSE presented several Petitions of the same character. Also a Petition from an individual complaining of delays in the Insolvent Debtors' Court, and that there w•as no appeal from its decisions.—Ordered to lie upon !he table. Dr. LUSHINOTON presented a Petition from an in dividual in the count♦ of Kent against the Beer Bill. fur. MABBRLEY 'presented a similar Petition from Abingdon. Mr. BROUGHAM presented a Petition from Thomas Doeglaa, cutoplaining of ill-treatment by the Victualling Department.—Ordered to lie upon the table. I ORANGIt PROCKSSIONII. M. BROUGHAM presented a Petition from John Lawless, Proprietor and Editor of a Newspaper, called The Irishman, published at Belfast, complaining of the Orange Processions, and of the Executive Government tot having taken means to prevent them. Mr. SAUCE could not help expressing his regret that, notwithstanding the letter of his Majesty, and the hoppv results which were anticipated from it, these pub lic outrages Ghoul•, have been permitted to take place. Sir J. Al CCK INTOSH 0.1 ught it disgraeful that these scenes should have 'been renewed in Dub lin, and was surprised that the means had not been re sorted to for their prevention, which under the Lord Lieutenaary ofthe Duke of Bedford, had been found cf. ficient to prevent them. 'f'hes• occurrences were an an nual insult to the people of Ireland, and an annual libel upon the memory of King William. This was the only instance in the history of nations where a minority of cenquerors continued to insult the people of a country through a aeries of ages down to the present period. To make the statue of IVilliain their exultation, was the greatest insult to his fame; fur lie was one of the first champions of toleration and liberty in religion. Acci dental circumstances alone prevented his acting in that character in Ireland • but they disgraced the name of Orange who assumed it for such purposes as those corn- Ilained of by the Petitioner. Mr. GOULBURN said that he lamented exceedingly that any excess of the nature complained of should be'! committed : and more particularly from the feelings he held upon the question with which they were connected. He had reason to belcive that the accounts which brought the information relative to these circumstances were greatly exaggerated. Sir 6. HILL said, that no one could deprecate more than he did the transactions which were represented to have taken place in Dublin. Without wishing to provoke discussion, he must, however, state that the prone t:ion in these disturbance came larzeiy from the other party. lie was certain, that in most cases the interference of the gentry in the neighbourhood of their residences, wuulo urevent the recurrence of such scenes. Mr. C. HUTCHINSON expressed his wish that the Attorney General for Ireland told been present, in order that he might have asked him oilirially whether as it at present stood, was not strong enough to present these disgraceful outrages. If not, they ought to give the Loot Lieutenant such power as would enable Lino to preVrtt; them, before the house separated. Ile must de prerAir t2s. cmilliart of the Government, in not interfer ing upon the late occasion. He understood that the po lice VI ere activeleengaged in the rioting, and taking part against the:Tatilted party. flit should appear that a po lice VO I girrate had been engaged in the not, he trust. al that the Lord Lieutenant would visit such cunduct in the ni:nner it ti ed. Mr. S. RICE hoped that as all sides of the house had concurred in reprobating these outra: es, be trusted th a t the public knowledge of that fact would have such it - ral influence upon the minds of the country, as would prevent their being repealed on future occasions. Mr. BROUGHAM serer,' that such an expreesion of opinion from all sides of the House, and from all shades of party upon that great question which so much divided men's minds, must have the effect of disconnten ancing these outrageous proceedings. Ile wished to ask a question of the Right Hon. Gentleman opposite, rela tive to the letter to which he had called the attention ot the house upon a former occasion, purporting to be writ ten by Mr. Saurin. lie haul since bead that the date of the writing of the letter was six years back ; or accord ing to others accounts, that it was written as long ago a• the yeu 1813. As this was a ►ery important considers THE STA' lon, he wished to ask the Right Hos. Gentleman whirl her Is had any huffis'', of the period at which thej letter nu written. If it bore so remote • a date, that would be • sufficient reason for the house passing it over without tooth e. Mr. GOUI,BURN said, that all the answer he mold give to the Hon. ond*Learned Oentleman was, that he had seen nothing in the letter, either in the 'sunroof its contents, or in the manner of its publication : affording ground upon which he Mould have been justified in call ing upon the Gentleman whose name it bore for any ex planation. He was not now ronnected la any way with the Government, and was therefore qot respons ible is that respect. The letter carried upon tfie face of it the proof that it was not of recent date, and warranted the minds aion that it was addressed to a person, who, although he had since become aif edge, was then in practice as a, Barrister. Sir 0. HILL wished to take this opportunity of asking the Hon, and Learned Gentlemen, if he hail not received a communication from a distinguished Roman Catholic Gentleman, relating to the public notice of this letter. Mr. BROUGHAM was at a loss to know by what right the Hon. Baronet questioned him upon any com munication he might lvme held with any Gentleman.— (Hoar, hear,)—whether distinguished or obscure, Re • • Catholic or Protestant. But if would gratify the Hon.Barenet's curiosity—he would not stay his illaotli hie curiosity—he would tell him that be had held no communication with any tine, direct or indirect, upon the subject of this letter. He stated at the time when hi first mentioned it, that he had no other knowledge of the matter than his Wirier seen the letter , publishod a public paper. He thee thought it indispensable that it should cools under the notice of the house; but as long as it had been confined to private circles be should not have deemed such a coarse necessary. Mr. R. MARTO" wished to say a few words upon the Petition, which he considered to be one of very great importance. He was most happy to hear bath sides of the house join in reprobating these annual out rages, and he was particularly grateful to the Right Hon. Gentleman for them i which belied spoken of them. With regard to what bad been said Ilivbe lion. Baronet (Sir G. Hill) as to the provocation arising on both sides, be begged leave to give that a most eh qualified contradiction without meaning the slightest disrespect.—(A laugh.)—He would in a very few words convince the House that what be said upon this subject must be the truth.—(A laugh.)—lt was chiefly in the North of Ireland that these Orange Processions were carried on, and there the mass of the inhabitants were Protestants. The only object, therefore, was to annoy and outrage the few Catholics who lived among them. la the county which be had the honour to repre sent the proportion of the Catholic population to that of the Protestants was as 50 or 60 to 1. Yet he bad never beard a toast given that was offensive to the Protestants, nor seen any thing done to hurt their feelings.—(hear, bear.) The Petition was ordered to be printed. Mr. F. PALMER presented a Petition from the In habitants of Reading, in favour of tba Beer Bill. The petitioners impressed a hope that his Honourable and Learned Friend would persevere with his measure, even though he should lose it is the present Session. Mr. BROUtiIIAM.—" They need not be alaruMd."— (A laugh.) Mr. 510NCK presented Petitions from several bo hiss of Journeymen Mechanics to the same effect. Upon the reading of the Petitions, the Clerk read as follows:—" This is a Petition from the Journeymen Shoemakers, from the Journeymen Bricklayers, from the Weavers, from the Journeymen Tailors, and from a Hugh Parsons." The last description of the petitioner was generally understood in the house to be, " sad from a few parsons." The mistake oussiooed shoats if laughter. Mr. SCARLETT presented a Petition from the Pub licans and Licensed Tictuallers of Peterborough against the Beer Bill. The Petition, with all the foregoing ones, presented upon this subject, was ordered to be printed. A Message from the Peers announced their Lord ships assent to the Small Notes Bill, and several others. BREACH OF PRIVILEOR. The Order of the Day for the attendanee of Mr. Hope and Mr. Menzies being read, Mr. W. COURTENAY moved "that Mr. Hope be now called in." eoeW that The motion being agreed to, Mr. Hope made his ap pearance at the bar of the House. The SPEAKER.—" Mr. Hope, I have to Inform yon, that on the 9th of July a complaint was male to this House, that a letter bad been addressed to an Hon. Mem ber, t aking notice of a speech delivered by him in this House, when-certain passages of the letter were read, and declared to be a breach of the privileges of Parlia ment. Have the goodness to look at this letter, and state whether it was written by you." Mr. Hope replied in the affirmative. The SPEAKER.—" The House came to a resolution that the said printed letter was a breech of its privileges, and ordered you to attend here this day. If you have any thing to say in explanation of the contents of tbat letter, now is the time at which you are allowed to do so." Mr. HOPE then add d the house, but front his be ing situated immediately under the Gallery, we could but imperfectly hear his observations. He commenced by begging to thank the house for the opportunity which it bad afforded him of explaining the causes which hail placed :lir. in hi. present situation. In do 1 ing so it was not his 1.: ' purpose to state any thing which would be at variatmee nitli the Resolution to which the house had come, as Ir. filly sensible that the letter which lie had found it nei.e:-eary to woke was a breach of its established privileges. But be hoped that many circumstances would induce the house to con sider it rather as a technical infringement of its' forms, than as a serious and meditated attache upon its privileou-s and authority. Every view which he euter tained of the character of the house would forbid his tel.ifig such a step; regarding as he did such privileges., to be no If'ss the privileges of the people than of the house. Every one, lie thought, must own that lie hail been placed in a cruel situation; and however painful to his feelings, the only course which he thought be could take was that direct attempt to vindicate his Ito-' poor and his character. He hope , ' the house would , have regard to the circumstances tinder which that course was adopted, and to the state of his feelings at the time he committed the act, which placed lain in the situation of en offender against its privileges. He wished the house to be aware that hr did not publish the letter with an intention to call its authority in goes lion, lint solely with a view to vindicate his prolessioual character from an unfounded and itujiist attack. The eharges were of a most serious character. They were those of a malicious prosecution, awl a violation of pro fessioes'. duties. It oats said that lie instituted a prose eution against an individual without intending to pur sue it, and that, too, for the purpose of prejudging the the ease of one who was about to stand his trial for life or death. The accusation imputed to him, that in the .rapport of certain views, he hail engaged iu carrying .hem on %vitt' a degree of furious zeal, with inveterate malignity, and even with personal hatred. That to in dulge those feelings as an advocate, be hail 'supported acts which must lead to murder and bloodshed. It ins t inted to hint, in short, the absence of all those qualities, which no Counsel could claims or expect the confidence, and'%without which no tl•ntleasau respected or tolerated in society. Need he say inch imputations Were injurious to his feelings; ..ed be say that such istatiwes were injurious to his private reputation;—need he say that such imputations IWO injurious to his professional character, and calcu lated to withdraw from him as a your; man that pros pact of honour and distinction to which be naturally looked with anxiety. And what eau., existed for such imputations? lie never was Counsel in the cause to which they alluded. He abet probably knew less of the parties concerned in it than the Hon. Member did who made the charges. He was utterly ignorant of the contents of the papers which had his signature to them, as alluded to in the debate of the house. He skned the papers according to the practice of the Scotch Courts fur a brother Advocate, without knowing any of their contests. Under these circumstances he 'would ask the house with perfect confidence whether it was possible for him to see such imputations affecting his professional char-e'er, and destroying his character as a Gentleman; be would confidently ask, whither be could see such imput:‘Cions circulated by the public press without feeling some waits its, sod without being urged to take the most decisive means of relieving him self from the dishonour. He did not recur to them in 'soy wanton desire of violating the. privileges of the basso, but in the necessary defrnee of his character.— Under these circumstaaces, feeling that the whole of these imputations were made upon a total mis-statement of facts (pieceeding, no doubt, from misconception), lie would ask how it could be expected that he should re frain from contradicting them by means of the 1141110 channel through which they were disseminated to the public. Besides the public feeling which - most have been excited against him, in the narrow circle of so. ciety in which be moved, every one would meet him with a knowledge of the charges east upon his character; and, unquestionably to him, the most painful feeling of all, would be that of seeing in every man he met, a friend who mourned, or a political foe who triumphed in his degradation. Under all the circumstances of the case, he trusted the house would see a reasonable cause for the irritation under which the breach of their privi leges was committed. As to the warmth of feeling which he bad displayed, he thought he should not be required to say muds in its defence, when he was ad dressing English Uentlemen. It would not be a matter of surprise that a British Counsellor and a British Gen tleman should feel warmth when repelling an unjust at tack upon his character and honour. He desired to ex press his sincere regret that the means he had found it neceteary to take for that purpose bad placed him in the situation of having violated the privileges of the House of Commons; and not deprecating from personal feel ings any consequences which might follow, he relied with perfect confidence upon that house for receiving substantial justice at its hands. The speech was followed by loud and continued cheering. Mr. Hope was ordered to withdraw. Sir R. WILSON rose to order, amidst loud calls upon Mr. Coon TT AA . The SPEAKER decided that the Hon. Member was entitled to - ailed to speak to a point of order. Sir IL WILSON said that he had never been more shocked than at hearing the cheers in which Honourable Members opposite bad thought proper to indulge, in ap probation of what bad been said at the bar. They wan assembled there as Judges, and by such expression of their feeling, Gentlemen rendered themselves parties in the case at issue. It was impossible to expect that impartial justice should be done when such conduct was observed. Mr. W. COURTENAY moved. "That Mr. Hope having acknowledged himself to be the author of the said letter. is guilty of a breach of the privileges of this House." Sir F. BURDETT continued to entertain the opinion which be had always expressed as to the great danger which existed in this assumption of power by the House of Commons. He bad never yet heard of any thing to do away with the strong constitutional objections which he saw opposed to such acts. In the present case bet could not see how it was possible to exercise the power which the House claimed without allowing that every man in the country was to be subjected to whatever an ' other might choose to say of him 30 that House without replying to it, or even to the mistakes of those who gave their debates to the public, or still more the most malignant representations which persons might think proper to make. He begged to ask whether such a power would be allowed to the Crown as that claimed by Parliament, in cases which it might choose to declare Breather. of Privilege? But he could sot see how the case now before them was a breach of any part of the privileges which they claimed. The party stated that a report of a speech had appeared which traduced and in jured his character, and consequently proceeded to de clare such a report to be false. If tins was a Breach of Privilege they were suffering them to be committed every day, and no man was safe who referred to any thing that was said or done in Parliament.—(Hear.) — If any one were to apply directly to a Member to call him to accoupt for any thing which he might have done in the discharge of his duty, and he brought the matter before the House, then he confessed he should see a justifiable ground of interference. The original inten tion of guarding Parliament with privileges was to pro vide them a shield against the power of the Crown in the free discharge of their duty ; but not to arm them with a sword against their fellow-subjects. The power which they claimed was in itself an anomaly; for they proceeded to inflict imprisonment, yet they did not pre sume to resort to the minor punishment of fine. The gentlemen who had been before the house said, that the statements made against hint were untrue. In that case he had a right to complain of his friends who had prevented inquiry, where his innocence, and the false hood of the charges might have been proved. His lion. and Learned Friend, as he thought, had brought for ward the affair in the most unexceptiooabl, as well a% to the most able manner. It appeared to him that a 1;r -aeh of Privilege in such matters as thee ' would consist of an intention of committing, or of forcing others to commit, violence. He did not really think, that there had been a breach of the privileges, even such as the house assumed its privileges to he. The power in question was such as the law .lid not allow to the King.; and it there fore, was most unbecoming in the hoo.e to assume it to itself. This consideration was more obvious when it was remembered that sonic of those who sat in that house were proprietors of their own seats and nominees of others. Many of the privileges claimed by that honse, he objected to; and to no one more than th it which gave its Members eitetn i Aion from personal or- P.m fie:, might he a very proper pi-kilt-4n when Par. liaments were of short ;titration, and when they 14 for only about forty days: but at present this privilege was nothing more than a protection to the dishonest against the payments of their debts. And yet it was altoge ther inconsistent; for according to the legal pro visions, a Member ought not to he in debt at all; as he was obliged on taking his seat to swear to the possession of his qualification its landed property, clear of all ineumbrance, which meant virtually that he was not in dept. On the whole be should decidedly object to the exercise of the !sower claimed; as it now was, by the house. In thus deciding he did not look a• the person, hot at the principle, and the object whiel. the House appeared to have in view. It fillowed, there fore that lie should vote aesiiist any motion personall% affecting the Bentlewan who had just left the bar, and I he should certainly take the sense of the house epee wit a motion. Mr. S. IVORTLEY agreed with the Hon. Baronet, that the breach of privilege, if any, hail been tensed by the Isn't of the home itself. It soffered its debates to be reported. and therefore ought nut to expect that ever) , person commented upon in those debates, should sit down irietiv under imputations that might be e g g upon him. 'There can be no doubt that the Hon. aad Learned lienilesoan who hail been alluded to (11r. Aber. trashy) bad brooght forward his motion in a fair sad proper manner: hut if 11141 lion. and Learned Member had been misinformed, it would be 'mind to deprive I person referr►d to by time Hon. and Learned Member of the right to defend himself. lie therefore should also vote with the ibin. lisronet nosiest anv motion baring the punishment of .Ir. Hope fur its object. Mr. CANNING said hie opinion on the present mt. ject might Im aided in a very few words. It appea r ,' that the house had already derided the paragraph in question to be a breach of privilege. He was not pro. sent at the drbate on that anbject, and it was now toe late for hint to give an opinion on it. The question now Wore the hafts* was merely wh.thee tb e tl eo rl mos w h o had left the liar was the individual who bad committed that breach of privilege He alinulti vote for the pre. seat motion, because it affirmed that proposition : bet he did sat say that he was prepared to concur in any vote with+ went to im p ose any, even the slightest paniabmeot npon Mr. Hope. He should vote for the motion, because it embraced a mere matter of fact. Mr. COURTENAY uid, that as he conceived the present motion merely consequenti a l uses that which Pm been agreed to by the house on a former evening, be had not thought it necessary to state what wu the alternate course he ;wended to submit to the considera tion of the house. As this had been, however, some what ineonveniently anticipated, be would, with the permission of the house, state the nature of the motion with which he intended to follow np the present, should it be agreed to by the bonse.—[lt was here sue:rested to the Hon. and Learned Member that the present motion might be at once disposed of.] The SPEAKER then put the question, which was agreed to without a division. Mr. COURTENAY resumed. He was glad he could now proceed according to the rules of the lions.. fle thought that if ever there was an occasion in which all party feeling should he itulsdned, it was the present. He disclaimed it himself; and IN therefore should notice the symptoms of approbation which bad been 'hewn on the examination of Mr. Hope, merelto say, that he did not see the propriety of them. When hr had lint brought this subject under the consideration of the house, he conceived that the ulterior disposal of it would depend very mach on the conduct of the Gent lemon who was to appear at the bar. He (Mr. C.) was perfectly ready to give the language of that Gentleman every con sideration it deserved. Indeed his principal &Int throughout had beet. to prevent any breach of the peace, which it was to be feared would grow out of that which now appeared to be mutual misapprehension ; and he wished to accomplish this object with the least possible oppression towards the individual concerned. If he bad succeeded in this, his purpose was fully answered. He trusted the resell of the ques'ion would have the effect of smoothing down ranch of irritation which hail taken place, and would 'hew that the privileges of that bons. were essentially necessary to the protection of the people. It appeared that Mr. Hope hail thought it ne e eee ee to defend his character against that which he conceived to be an attack upon it in the speech of it's Hon. and Learned Friend (Mr. Abercromby). He (.11r. C.) would not advert to the language of either the speech or the pamphlet. He thought it more prudent to retrofit from doing so; and he trusted Hon. Members would see the propriety of that forbearance, and follow his exam ple. He thought, however, it would be unfair to assume that Mr. Hope intended to attack the privileges of the house. His object appeared to be merely to defend him self. As be (Mr. C.) was perfectly aware that there existed a strong feeling upon this subject which did not generally lead to a sound conclusion; he bad not until that evening stated to any one what was the motion lie intended to make. He now conceived that every thing necessary to be done would be done, by the adoption of the Resolution be should have the honour JI submitting to the consideration of the house. It did not impale any personal punishment, while, in his opinion, it maintained the privileges of Parliament. He therefore morel a Resolution, " That Mr. Speaker do communicate the said Resolution to the said Mr. John Hope, and inform him that, under all thecircurnstances, and considerin; the explanation he has given at the Bar, this house does not feel itself called upon to proceed any further in this matter." Sir ROBERT WILSON said, that this resolution would not accomplish the object of the Honourable and Learned Member. The substance of the case was, that an Hon. and Learned Member (Mr. Abercromby) had submitted a motion to the house, "ailing for an :mini:7 into the conduct of a Learned Lord: and in the coarse of his statement in support of that motion, bad spoken that which gave offence to Mr. Hope, who was himself also, in some measure, accused. Mr. Hope upon this took a course of all others most likely to provoke the Hon. and Learned Member to take another, which was sufficiently understood. Now, it was really necessary to protect Members in the discharge of their Parlia mentary duty. There were many gentlemen in that House of great talent and eloquence who did not ehoo.e to play the parts of eladiators, or to light their way out of the quarrels in which they might be engaged by those who took offence at weir seeches in Parliament. He thought the house was bound to prevent any personal consequences taking place. Sir R. FEROUSSON said he had no wish to keep up any irritation which unfortunately existed ; but the re spect he bore to an excellent : friend who was absent (Mr. Stuart) compelled him to notice a paragraph in Mr. Hope's pamphlet of a most libellous nature, reflect ing on Mr. S. It was that which introduced theexpr..s. 'don, describing Mr. S. " as the heartless ruffian wbo sought reveuge by ineens of his minions, whom lie or dered to bind tli.- arms of his victim." This assertiou respecting Mr. Stuart, lie (34 IL) declared in his place in Parliament, to be one of the most malicious false , bonds that had ever disgraced the press. Mr. lio r . I when he introduced this, most have been aware that the fart in question had been denied by Mr. Stuart. He (Sir Il.) haul thought it n..cessery to notice this, lest an impression should go abroad unfavourable to a gentle man ult., was respected by all who knew him. Mr BROUGHAM said no one was atoreanxiatta than lie was to find as speediiy as pomihle a way to tenni:F.!: these proceeding., provided that going in that way he could discharge his dety.towards the public and the in dividual concerned. Not that be doubted that the pa ragrid• , it question was a breach of privilege--sest that he thought that heeach seas of the mild view. stare huted to it, as i• armed, by some members of the house. and by Mr. Cope himself, who bad called it a technical breach,; or that he wassalistieri With what had been called the eNplancion ef Mr. Hope. For no one of these reasons cenid he think that they were dealing with a ease similar to that of a mere report on the de hates, or a mere reference to the debates, or a Isere corn' :nent 'Linn them. In either of these eases lb* slightest eXiire4R . l.ni of apolov, it Wall . tell known, would be onsi.ler .I amply sufficient But in this presee t listener it became necessary fur the house to Inuit , whether