The Statesman. — London, England, 1810-02-24 00:00:00

...., bad bees ataailinie sit the bar of that House, until be bit delivered Use testimony, be would say, like candid and gallant man ; then, and not tilt then, cause that paper from Lord Chatham, which was so heart-brltaking to the eery, not so because they deserved the reflections contained; no—but because, after eu.ope tatiur with all the gear ier their power, they 1 fiend the cullea-gue with whom they bad abet. int, by aborts their services had been applaud• est in all his public dispatches, bad clandestinely pat *paper into the King's hand, containing. a fteat depreciation of their exertions, soden attack upon% their character, attempting to poison. the Royal mind against them. If, after the exposure that had since take 3 place, the Navy did not now writhe under this paper, he thought he knew those whodid r I Loud cry of hear, hear !) The it.. Section was calculated to make some men wince. What did this Nettle Lord say upon his mini. *alien at the bar as to this paper? Why, 0 ' that lie delivered it to his Majesty at the Levee." Did he see any oL the Ministers ibere " yes—spoke to some of his colleagues about the paper, but did not notice Lord Mel. pave could not say that he was there."— Such was the Noble Lord's account. Well, what followed? Why, at a very late hour of the night, _laud Mulgrave wrote to Sir Richard Stracban, 'biting that Lord Chatham had presented a oar. /alive of the Expedition, but of what nature was tot described, and calling upon him Our Richard) to prevent another. And here he could not help repotting an old anecdote to the house. die did net pretend to have any talent for humour; no, sot even for that lowest species of humour, a pen. But there was a pun which occurred to his memory ; and which, be thought, might besot in. appropriately quoted upon this occasion. Perhaps the story was familiar to many who heard him, of the lawyer at a coffee-room, maintaining very eagerly - , that there war no distinction between the words the and likewise, when a wag denied his aesertion, addressing him thus : " Mr. Dun. sing is a Lawyer, Sir, sad you are also, but sat Mlle wise—" So with regard to the app. cation to Sir Richard Sheehan on the occasion singled to. Lord Chatham sight inwennt a oar. ratite also, bur sot in like ,saner. Nu ; Sir Richard Strachan's narrative wise to be put tato the bands of Lurd Mnfgrave. What, he world ask, could any man say in damn° of each conduct ? A Right Honourable Gentlemau (Mr. DIM4III &sunders) had observed, that he thought it unnecessary to re-state the arguments urged on his side of the House. But where could be find arguments to re-state. In fact, if the Hight Hun. Got. was appointed to collect argu. meats ou his side of the House, be would enjoy q perfect sinecur e—which, by the bye, wv.s a kind of o ffi ce to which the Hight Hun. Gent. his friends, er his countrymen, were not generally sup. posed to agte.rtain a very strong objection / But were there no other papers presented to his Ma. jetty by Lord Chatham, relative to the-Scheldt Expedition, than those before the House ? He be. bored is his conscience that then were, sod he would call upon any man hi the House to lay his baud upon his heart and say, that he did not be. here so. If ouch a man was to be found, he could pot expect his vote upon thu occasion. Moe those who concurred with his belief must, for it follow. cd of consequence, feel the necessity of calling for the production of such papers. Ministers said, that if such papers were in existence, they were not to be fuuhd in any of the Ministerial Offices. But this was the jet of the charge...they could not say that there were no !itch papers —no, they would nut venture upon that. In fact, if they had as. forted at the outset that there were no such pa.. pen, he would have withdrawn his motion.— ' Conld they say so even now, he would pro. ceed no farther. Several of the Gentlemen on the Ministerial benches endeavoured to maintain that Lord Chatham's proceeding was quite a justifiable act ? Was. it to inferred from that that they would feel it justifiable to follow such an example; that soy of them would deem it right secretly to Me morial his Majesty against the conduct of a col. leagee? Possibly, if they could open the King's es. cruioi re, such a memorial might be fouud...perbaps a similar manuscript to that on the table, against the whole of the Hight Honourable Gentlemen ; a complaint from Lord Chatham, that so imperfect or anfounded was the information with which his colleagues had furnished hint, and so clumsily contrived their arrangemeuts, that he found it im. possible to execute the object of the Expedition. What, if the Lord Chancellor were to have a peep Into his Majesiy's escretpire ?—might he nut have occasion to exclaim is the words of one of the first dramatists of any age or nation, in The School for Scaudsg— bat iso ; his Lordship was too pines, to swear although another Chancellor might t—" A mehtorial from Mr. Perceval against Lord Chatham t. and another from Lord Chatham against the Min ister, by all that's damnable."— Really from this •o+- so. ready tq vindicate, and from that course which they were so bible to permit, the worst consequences were to be apprehended, if it were not for the cha. factor of the Monarch under wham we lived. But if such Ministers were is ezistence at the Ouse of din 17th century, under the wily Save. reign who thcu sat on the throne, he would have encouraged them to memorial against each other— he would have kept alive disaMisione amen them—he would have by suck management put each of them in his power, and through them be Is'oold have ruined the country pear, hear !] 'the Honourable Member could well suppose such a King's escrutoire like the lien's mouth Which once received the secret information, . which treachery communicated to the Govern. ' went of Venice, and which often led to de. 'Otruction. to t h e narrative under consklura• • lion he recognized some striking features of Lo u sp e cies of information:; for it attempt 'id to blast the fame and prospects of a body of gallant Officess. But the snipers still kept b ac k, might be still worse. They mutt, hoer , "lever, 1.4 brought to light. Such a 'Nutlet) Lord Cliathans's conduct . disclosed mast b e • swami and reprobated, nr responsibility was a sums and there was an sod of tbo Comae. .~ M e 04. MM.- 1 rrieeds was attributable dietrles, 'odium, which attaches to :r co*** mod 'character. But he felt for his ottuntcr-Ae pitied that country which bad the misfortune to be placed ander the government of such men ' • and if they retained' that Government long, he had no hesitation in saying, that England must be the vie. tint of their discordance - between each other, and ;their general mismanagement, Was it possible, he !would ask, to reflect upon any part of their recent conduct in particular without a disposition to con. sure ; without a feeling of indignation ? How was their answer to the City of London to be pc. counted for ? Were , they in the habits at all of consulting with each other? Had they any con. versation with Lord Chatham, with the writer of the narrative on the /able, before they returned that answer. Did they not even meet at Cabinet din. ners ? They might have had their Cabinet din. ncrs, but if they went to Cabinet suppers, let them go to one after this night's debate with what appetite they could, The Honourable Member took his scat amid loud and continued cries of Hear I hear ! hear! Upon a division the numbers were— For the Motion - - - 11 . 6 Against it Majority against the Minister 7 Vpon our return to the Gallery,' we (quad Mr. talrraft moving for an Account of the Balances left in the Ordnance by Mr. Mat, which , was ordered. A conversation arose as to the arrangement of the debates upon the King'i Message respecting an aid to Portugal, and upon the subject of the Army Estimates. The former was filed for Monday, and the latter for Wednesday. It was proposed to go into a Committee of Sup ply for the purpose of voting those parts of the Army Estimates, upon *which there was no differ 'bee. Sit THOMAS TURTON spoke *Oast the wain for the Speaker's leaving the Chair, on the sound that Ministers were not worthy to be en. trusted with the means of the country. Mr. PERCEVAL said, whoever might be Meister of 'this country, there could hardly, he fumed to think, be any doubt that an army nos necessary ; and however Gentlemen might wish to get rid of a particular Minister, he pre aimed they would' nbt wish at the same time to give up the defence of the country. If the wor.l thy Barone: (Sir T. Turton) wished to get quit et Ministers, let him openly and candidly bring foe. ward a motion •for an Address to his Majesty ea: ibe subject, and he (Mr. Permit° should Isu ready to meet him ou the subject ; though, be, presumed to think, on this point, as on :woe others which he had started, be would find bni few persons to second him. Col. WARDLE was against going into thst Committee tonight. He thought oddities'si lay. formation eecessory, particularly en the sebj of the increased espenre of the Home Stag: ' ?dr. TIERNEY followed. Mr. PERGWVA I. had on a•• Army Estimates st • fur Monday • that the Question as to Portugal she • till Frick,' • est that the Inquiry should come oat ow Tuesay Wednesday. Mr. FONSONBY wishes the Army Estimatei to change places with the question as to Portugal, and to stand fur Friday. He hoped at the same time that no great nastily was to be introduced into the Mutiny Act. Lord PALM EftsToN said there would be no great novelty in the Mutiny Act. He wished, however, that the Army Estimates should stood for Monday. • It was then ordered that the House should, on next, resolve into the said Committee. Sir 1. TURTON gave notice that be should, on Monday, move fur.a Return of the Army Es. timates fur the last year, and of the disposition of the army during the same period. , The Report of the Distillery Bill was brought up and agrecd Co. Tu be read a third time on Monday. . Mr. LUSHINGTON brought the Stage Coach Bill, which was read a first time. Ordered to be read a second time on Thursday, and to be printed. Mr. Astley Cooper presented certain papers re lative to the Sureties for Mr. Joseph Hunt. Or. dered to lie an the table. Adjourned at half past twelve o'clock till Monday. THE V.PATESMA N. R SODOM T 1 Till Ax. unswazg: SATURDAY, FEBRUARY 24. -~►- ~ . BY the arrival of Dutch Ripen of a recent date, containing Extracts fronythe Moniteur, we are ipiefirmed in our opinion of the advance of the Tench on Portugal. Our Readers will recollect es to have stated on Wednesday list, that private Letters from Officers in Lotd WELLINGTON/it Army asserted, that there were French 'troops within a few leagues of the advauced posts of the British. In Ferrol and Corunna, the people, finding themselves betrayed by the execrable Junta, have 'given not to their feelings, by wreaking vengeance' oq such individuals as they suspect to hare beeh 19 UNlT.interest7---tic French are, a d ri pci o g, obviously "'Khoo the least Appreke . mtion of resistance. Ministers may, perhaps, oow be • 1111,41ke,. _ a 4.A1/012111 Hnirsit, Ina-kt.eper,aad CIO( of the boor, gents is the Tyrol, who has so often broke hti plighted faith, and eater caned to mislead the people by false insinuations, has been taken prisoner by the troops of his Majesty the Emperor of Faesca and King of ITALY, which pccupY the Soothers Tyrol." A ',Liter from Botzen, of the 9011 r of iletillve/i ealta 6 the following particulan respecting the taltieg 'of Hoela:s— the innkeeper Hoes', the late leader of the imargonts in Ow Tyrol, with sae of his associates, and his Bi-' endery, was be ht ia here prisoner, older an estott of 400 Illlmpch toils- According to the account of the soldiers who accompanied him, he had for six weeks absented hitaself front his dwelling at St. Mania, in the district of Ramo, and kept himself concealed in a remote part of the amotataine, where be had balk himself a hat. In this bat, at the time be was take, was fiord some hard bread and dried flesh. — It was very dl&alt to do/ igis Mast is the mouelltielrer Ovary, covered Kith strew, bathe was betrayed by one of his emnpmdops. • He will twelity he etiadurted along the road to Italy, lead, it is said, will be airtime! to Manton."—( Sup• plestmstlo the Royal 4ms:ordain Cstrast, Fe 10.13.) Fltahtlhelltz. Jan. 31.—.0n the 26th, is the evening, ar rived bete, with his misfortunate family. the Count of Got- TOR!! (Gustsrus IV. of Sweden). He dined on the 18th with the hereditary Graa4 Duke of Neaten, who has also arrived here, and *hose consort is a sister of the Countess. To-day be will continue his journey to Bruchsal ; the fo ur Swedish Officers who accernpany him will, it is pnderstend, return from thence to Swedeu.—(.4mstcrdant Coarant, Fe: brnery 13.) PARIS, Fem. 7.—They write from Mont de Allman, that the passage of troops continues incessant, and with incredible activity. Scarcely had the last division of the numerdes corps of the Duke of Aisemeres left our walls, when we saw 9000 men arrive, forming the first division of the Impe rial Guard; the second division, which will be followed by the third, is already on the road from Bourdeaux, and within a few days will be at Bayonne. They write from llamburgh, ander date January 26, as follows : The treaty of peace between France and Sweden-Miring engaged the latter Power to the support of the Continent, we may assert with certainty that the Baltic will be entirely shut to the English navigation and trade.r-Tbe Swedish and Danish battertes acting at the saute time, will render the pas sage' of the Soiled impossible. It will be remembered, that Nessus, at the time of his great undertakingagainst Copen hagen, in ISM, declared, that if Sweden would-have actively defended the Strait, he would not have undertaken the expe dition. Accounts from Frankfort state, that on the Ist of this month a Russian courier, from SLPetersburgh, passed through that city for Paris. Accounts from Germany say, that King Guns v.ns has -positively declared that the report of the purchase of an es. Itkie-ho Switzerlaed, to which he will retire. istatirely with out finnodetion ; and that he is determined to end his days in Germany. We are assured that the foar Officers who *WM/ this Prince will rehire to Sweden, after having accompanied him to the place of his destination. FROM THE HAGUE COURANT OF FEB. 19. The.Mtiniteur of the inst. contains the fallowing ha. 'ipotesi inteMpice Irvin Spas, dated • r • - 1111ADRTD, F 114.1. " The Iles of Seam was, on the Bth, at KsUa; the Duke of Bs tam NO haiestered Seville; /he wretched Jduta, or Lugano, are driven away by alt the peo ple of the 'South of Spain; the inhabitsueta of Cadiz appear to have denied the entrance ot their tows to the Jame, as Ihrif bad refined it to the English. The last act of these 'traitors ,r the delivery of Ceita to the English. " General Sea►StrAYSl has entered Grenada, anti* 111. esived a deputation from Multi*. "'We understand that the 8116 and 9th corps have tweed* Barges and Valladolid, where they have formed a junction with the Bth corps, in order to eater Portugal. Thies It ap pears, contrary to the prediction of Lord Wet.sesmtv, that 'the entrance of Portugal has been deieemitsed on by the French. • We besides And in the Noiffstor, Bader the head Paris, Feb. 14, an ollei s al letter from the Duke of DALMATIA to the Prince Of WAGiaM and NEUFCHATEL, of which the following are the principal contents : " The Commanderin Chief states, that he had not received the account of the state of the-maguines found . at Jaen; he knows, however, that there were found in the place, 6000 stand of arm, a great quantity of priivisions, and consider able magazines. There were likewise found at Cordova, 6000 stand of arms, and a full arsenal, of which our artillees has made great advantage; in Castillion and %ear 4 14; Powidegand one howitser, and siz other pieces left behind is the mountains. Since the passage of Sierra Morena, the Imperial Army has thus mad* itself master of $0 pieces of artillery. " It is probable (says the Duke)* that Cadiz will follow Seville, and thus the Spanish squadron will be taken. • 44 The Junta has fled to the island of Lena, in the neigh bourhood of Cadiz. It is understood that the greater part of the Members will embark for America. It is also laid that they are desirous to enter taloa capitulation." • The capture of the l Ebrated Herta cannot but excite deep regret. ile too t it seems, was victim of treachery. But this need not excite -43.6.•••• rt.ire • "" -came, oat lustre: ildna with reapletidut '"''''...'"". IT is difficalt to reconcile the possibility of Lord CHATigAII having plied the Royal Ear with any other experts memorandum than that which has already been laid before the Public.---:— . Yet the refusal of his Lordship to answer the question : sheltering himself under his privilege as a Peer, affords ample ground of suspicion that the paper delivered to the House of Commons, is not the only justification with which his Lordship has endeavoured to secure the Royal approbation. That the Minister, on a questinn so momentous as that of the Address moved list night by Mr. WAITBRSAD I should be io a oiinority, 1 e cer tain indication of the approaching dissolution of an Administration who, by their imbecility and itgve placed the 'Empire in e tioo of dgiculty and peril * from whiel4 11 °,4 Pc by 0. 1 0 P 9 . 104. 040 19 . 6 . 4f4P, 61.4iCatfd• , :~ medium. ca Th pw e'R ed etol jr a m tio ter n oissfyth:oPnati..thrto.„"veleam.caio of Mr. WAIT4m AN, Paden the 001 1 1 e of C OO3Oll against-the Grant of a Pension to I,erd W EELI4: tON, will (OM a * novel precedent. The Paiiti al . pay be slighted—lt may be artier(' to he l a id nu pie labio—and there it may remain. —The eapida, power and influence of Ministers may b e p a: Raps, protracted fora few week;;--but the PetAi of England are awakening (rum the torpor it`i 'which they have ;o long slumbered. The divisious in the Court of Common Cutiacil yesterday, were the first trials of strength O leo the last Elections ; and we congratulate the pvt• ‘ , lie on the returning Independence of the !twain; pal representation of the first city of the world. TUE Act declaring the rights and tannin ot the subject, and settling the Succession or the Crown, commonly called the 811 4 1, of RIGHTs after reeiting the Reclaration &livered to Prince and Princess of QvtA:qcs, in which it i t staled" that King JAmEs 11. did ond eo „„ r su bvert and- extirpate the Protestant Reheat' and the Leos and Liberties of this kin;,667: then spccifically cutimerates the irouuds u 1 cusi., plaint; among which we find the followin g: . Bth, " By proseetdiopu in the Court of King's Bead, f ir N matter; and causes, coglizable way 01 . Parauirsol, ;lid b.,' se diversLottter arttitrary all 0 7,4 1( courses," 7 . The enacting clause of the Bill, which is evi. dently formed on that recited in the Declaraa, just quoted, is As follows ; and oat. read std desire of Mr. youse in the lianas ofteettssat. 9th, " That the freedom of: perch, and debrdes, Wpm -" ceedinp to Patrlinatent, riughf ant tit. he hospital)! I yr* I , timid is emy court, or place, oift of Pgelians.". • . . ' Avow, connecting the. littk enacting .clause ,il k . the Bth of the Dretatirtisitikaisof *roil s i t 4 'be inferred 'that it iii!'l - . Te:eifed.=•-:th'e .INeplo That is inspoieibie. . TOO- . 41 01enliMi 'n ol oelh id,- that clews.. of the' BA 4-.4410 ant, to. lorthd from late Monarch: !Hiram?* itorp o oki,4 tea ascend the . ' Thisairof thlititicithOlefir Op purpose of protecting the MeMO4ll 0e . ,0604 8 of - Commons from . . .. 1ie1i5,.... ' ;lid ? toted by the Crown, fee: r by thent.in'that noise... t..: 4*a sift* otid Revolution, which had Or ite ,4444,4101,10 . .• i iiii object the . protection of i thotews , Biist _ iii ~ 0 England amen to preetuitisolhe . • public jettgaseet, of praise, ‘,..i,k , llirt . • ' ' conduct sad sentieseets of swetr:, ••• k ~ ,—virtually their Servants—lid! : '• , ; . ."Li Ohm hi the habit of rectifies tlaily•Aps,* '[their attendance in PArlianseet I If. eild(4l r the interpretation, what right has the derpOlt• r I.lten.or the Livery of London,. or mit . idi i' ..,: ~ . ii • P pier Assembly, to pass a vote of emote! es . the conduct of eveis their awn - itcPreseelithtell. lor Abe words tine - smell', ‘, in any owl as or place out of Parliament," and there.. fore in thal sense apply as strictly to the pal of London or the Electors of Yerkshire, as ta the indivitluals•of a debating society. - To gos step farther—it must be a breach tf privilege to mention in any publication with flit.' approbation, 'the debates or proceedings is ?sr. liament—and to pursue the questioe to its fell extent, even the convenation ; of is coffeehouse mast 82 comprehended within this . eweeping jarisdicdne of privilege. • ~ _, ___, [ Surely it osunot be posSible4hat,logpolveqls the Revolution, bound tbentseleei.heati apdfili against all disciistion, of ' liheirimliy• be 41 , er done, by individualsiimii;edistelY:Megill4o l 7 4 lisemaelves.fur the expriPpiporm o effetatig 'their interests and pulsates their rights. - ' . Io thus' sespligis - TM! • MU) :of • thill 9 1011 I C the Bill of.ltiihti t ire, ' p - O : means; queitle:l !If impeach the right,of 14 . 4iittic of Consort %ref its own proceetiinpsi,,,, loot we, et •00 saw, time, contend against that . interpret - idea 'a' the . .'l3lll. of Rights, whieh it Os i i that tiorle, , . . , 41:14titiis - leKoir , . iripi . ebick was to secure and exit's SttiCir like, 004 Ott). *ousel acs from discussing, ) . Prafrialr•PaloP l6 , l4 - conduct of those *his -erse,orsr• OA 11' 1 ' 14 (M they profess t4:be) their Itepriedetatiect • Tat .Indicpstesst againeB Me, Pe*, . . of the Morning Chrotsoo4oer 8 111.11,1 4 ilk that Paper, on the sublilltsiffst riii ri!... Hoe, was tried this t ; ~., v ,tift i,uk Bench. Mi. PR* . AY : ,101.StiriMer dajor slistinguishZiti ability, and the Ivry. AiliwriF,___,fr ist L cell t charge front% ood:lkaaseolselnorr a Verdict of Not Ginty. 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Alt. , I.V : , # s i t Minister. us esektimet, howitver. wool Pa, Ism felt. liar. 91.-411. followlor air 0 tbe . #1. 1 14 1 ' . t . 4 P till . • for sue& Madams for to their orror coeds.* be i rowe tab day polio/toy Coot yoo Epos, gotind jamplaso. ow •, • 'Mr .6A 1.111 4 was attributaiiit an tia dification &troll 0 6 4 fif DIA*. owl ComosoArt of Mo Boosrisii aorta tr - .., - m own. • •_• . Record being •ititedrawn: 'r fit. 11--- " 411/0 :, ltniftstaly I Court of Dilyetors *so bell let tut India pats% *boo Cittkin lultsattatf ag i ' TOUSSAINT, was sworn elite ioutatait ,1 1 7" ',hip ut41,.., comild i a.4 wows •:, trams, OPTIC% $7 Fltemonda • • • Arrived.- NMI , . —. Due. 1 2 O Go4tenburgh.. O Lisbon 3 Cadiz 1 ... F I