The Statesman. — London, England, 1813-03-03 00:00:00

4 'stone, w.lO had noti be confended,.as it was impol i te( to him, atfirtned thaobe penal -44 a agalapt theCia.i tholics could never : herepealed,, but : only that they .- -could not, he repealed without proper' securities,be... lug given for the maiutninee of the . established . liptioo, and ~t,04- 1 0 gre as far as .to, assert, 'that when all tear of the : Pretender wits removed, `and the poi er,of lhe*P,ope should have become in- _ is tiol'only in : EnOid, but is- the .Papal *butitriA,oltitrope, then all restrictiont .affecting the Roman Catholics *light' be. safely done away, 'Slid they Cinitibbed repo from tbeir . preeseve till a new and unfavourable change in their civil priaci yles talgbt make it necessary . .to revive them. -If the Catholics had been au object. of apprehea ision at the Revolution some clause would have' teen introduCed' into the Bill of .ttights, in which the terror felt by the tralleil Would have,been . ex viessed ; but sib such elapse ,appearmle in it; nor Was there even clause in it by virtue of which Catholics 'wire excluded from. Parliament. But how *Many great lathorities: .psight be referred to, how _ ' Show that : the admission of the Catholics to the advantages of the ,ConstitatiOn, would not be iontrary to any of its fundamental principles. Mr. Fox and Mi. pat, and several other great men, : bad prgecl the expediency of repealbig the Penal Laws; they have done so had conceived that they the repeal of them wand have had that erect ? The Catholics had long bean ecalumniated body, and the Spirit of calumny did not seem likely to rein aught Of its activity. A Prelate of the Church of Eng land, the Bishop of Lincoln, had recently taxed them with being the promoters of and agents in the late rebellion in Ireland, now this charge was ut terly unfottilded in fact : the Rebellion originated frith the . Protestant Dissenters in the North alert.* these, it were true, were supported y the Catholic peasentry,, but, from the Catbo- Be Clergy they received' so assistance or co-ope- ' ration ; indeed,. so far horn that being the Can, their Bishopi had been very active and usefai is putting down the rebellion, in which not one PriVIC bolding a benefice bad been concerned, owl of *ear three thousand priests vrhich cossatataci4be than I fti''lerldl y, 'riot more , 'eight or tlinti bad been implicated; and their were non, who, for bliproper conduct:, had heel, excluded from the exer. che of their sacerdotal reactions •' nwreovor, of the 24 leaders of the rebellion who had been sent td Fort St. George, not above three or four were Ca-. Clones, and, indeed, Mr. Pitt bad declared that it lies not a Catholic Rebellionk The assertion of the 'Bishop, he trusted, be bad shown to be untrue, and, be hoped that when the House looked back and per. -celved what really 'had been tite condict of the Cie, tholics, that the contrast would-hare its due effect in their favour ; they had punetually fulfilled every tide of the Treaty of Limerick.: in the rebellion of , 1715, there Wat nets single Irish Catholic ciapacaed• • In the American war what had been thair natant*? "Wiwi the country was left withso4 (*nisi and fttk, bid'an opportunity of vannifeeinony dislike -ft . t alight enterta in towards the Gosernmeut, they acted in the most peaceable apd.orderly manner posoi Whig. If their conduct in relation to the Toletreim Limerick were compared with,that of Ling William and his ,successors, a contrast woold 110 , presented, by no means advantageous to the latter- that ay . Treaty, every adVantaie they could- law gianted them ; and the compact was shortly , attar. shamefully violated, when. the Execuilvp, ot this country should have tikes the earlkest opportu. Itity to ratify a 'Treaty : which, though ti 414101, is. had displayed in - watching over thesatety of religion, had been turned against than, and bad been accused of illiberality and intoltrooce. He hoped that he would neves, again have occasion .to reprehend, the conduct of any of the Members of the House on that score. h was not possible to deny that there Was a hostility in the disposition of the Catholics towards the Protestants. It was very iatural that a man ) who thought that salvation was only to he obtained by those who professed the attire religion with him self, should try to cornett all' others to that re ligion, and would also feel a disposition of hosti lity to every person who refused. to be converted. The opinions of tbt Catholics of Ireland were more truly Catholic thou those of the iltkribilahts of any' other Coatis* country. (HeartlNflie reason of that, was, that in all Catholic kingdoms there woks some caPitallown which visa the Kit of the Catholic power; Mt the commouleattons the,Pope were, of course, 4rst sent to that town before pbbsislied to the people. So that in Catholic kingdoms, the opi. *lions of. the Pope went through what he would calla strainer. The case was so hi France and hi Spain. —But in Ireland, the communications of the Pope *dune into immediate contact with the clergy and laity in their most unqualified state, and without being is any degree softened. The natural'conse guence was, that the doctrines of the frith Catholics were most violent. • It would be "necessary to en quire Whit were the doctrine* of the Pope ?—• For that psse he would gos at oace to the declarations of the Pape 114044 He then rend were al extraets from declarations : 1 1.2 P O l2 V e l e retiCe of which, was. that the Catholics not y- rem witisthe profemorr of any Whet reli lms dad that mi reheat bet the Vatholic should be tolerated. j Wog doormats wettoadotoistidi and hewer surprised to bare beird in.Hooonratile auessetmmke wirat imputations against tlt o raatheul eat Relind , , ettfact from a declaration, thatalliottece of which Was, that the power of the , Cliiirdi was ahoy all temporal commit. Thew g the dodder* of the Rothan'Catholies, as declared by the rope himself, whoc beheld about the toleration of the Catimlies ? Itsaleth be mid' that dime; thou is the. opinions of the Pope, tore settle. die .nrines of the Irish Catholic% 14 would' iwi_OMtis know rase Wit disehdniedthro; ? [Bear, li Wsittesaidthat -k•iv acknowrtheos s they • ca. _ g o. . Abe.Ciergy.tocitly _. ..., were 61.,.. tit * 1 by the.laatt ,Mt of that (heti; Coelti Ael. be famed any . There * .. bidet:ll.6e omega ate Irish Catbeties =data of ' scat "kit .of Meaty attainments, ad. PrinfiP . W*94l 4601a11:1thege &Mhos , but it wrote be infrrestyhalt tip great • body of. the Laity weskit:pito* , the opisiciei of their paptere, ' esperiella: • matters which ' - - ivick -' - - _A01940 , selves °dyers! to any stißulatinns, or .10,4iving any safeguards, and art nothing shorL ,of an ttneOndi. Cone repeal or the Penat,l,Ays Amid give them satisfaction. lie livened,. Committee, if he might nse the expression, ,Cowardly proceed ia;l as a late Statesman was root to say, that no man proposed to refer plotter to a Committee of the whole House, who did not think the Motion would be negatived. Could he seo any good eQd , to be ef fected by going into the committee, no man would be more Zealous for it than himself; but with his present view of the subject, he meat oppose the . Motion. Sir W. SCOTT said, that the arguments on the question bad been well stated io the speech of an p rape Get ''y 4. liciarni. the lice - not disitiaillia give up. Indeed. dry cool& not give it up' '" 411 °‘ 1141 :21 111 41 the fnadamental principles of their f.4 th. There co ow , cording is their doctrine, be no valid administration of tht Si. cramesul witbpstligcnomisuption. if they, therefore, *ere to serve as ejectment upon the Pope, in Ibis part of his astits.; rite, it wield anima to an overthrow of their ow a faith, of least in oat pent. The. Pupe,was-nertainly now ander emir*. in whist' ids supremacy _was . surrender!!! in fact.. ,itia linment:saak ' stances - spiritandhis end er his necessities. re the proposition of disehdreirqg . his power was rejected . with contempt. The Right Jion . Gentleman (Mr, Grattan ), or the worthy Baronet (Sir J. Cox Hippisley), did ant propose nay securities, so that if they went into a Committee, it was witisont any previous pronrise of security from the Meads of the'measure, At present the Pope was liable to he considered as the slave ' or at least as the protegetAf Itutlailartei It& was chained down id France. Be iron *an not at liberty, non r potii . ii ire gneviiit. *is in the power, soil s of emus!, order the unduence of lionaparoe. (Hear, hess!,l) That Hada qud was to led"' 's•l lion. Member, which was -not less remarkable for ' which It displayed, than for the sentiments which it containei. displayed to accede to the pro. LO g Committee on the sub. Preciedetl fronr the appear..., I seen • of danger not chi.. hopod, however, that he: dungerous tyrant alt - 1 be;O1 _ . And he wiiuM ask, whether no danger was to apprebeeded from his immediate connection tit idt so dangerous ardor ft was mid, that in fortign countries the Protestants 'and Calk .lies peaceably "together In die enjoyment or the same-civil rites; halal these countries the national Church was not incor porated n ith the civil I.7anblitution. It should be considered betides, that ,ht such countries the Governments were &epode. nod could of• course admit tacit Tononunity of rites with leis daffier to the religion of the reigning. power ; but is this comp. try % whery wgrethe means of meeting s numeric4l.. - C4tholl; -, zeept atrthin4o • ' Ile opinion of the Howl when he 'ill parties.was the security of —, hear, hear :1 7 -11e could inikierityie , ,11:1HO. ex.- et by Tester,: ninhinity in ikon ilieltis MU **re ittpossession of property i Could Any man thigilt:lo Mao* Ike evils compinWa of (ront.thr exciti4ion of . die 'COD 11.01.0 mitten:: twoifirong parties into an ential enviention pewit ? --en NM Hbe denied tfint in. t - vat einstentierr t Unt,lielkt linitakly have ti. - " N in contempint?iin t -Hr them 0 reuniters is wisio o - - - - . _ -a no danger ievantiag to the, political ,power to the ,eatent, N$ that he would have. ..1 gli( , rivrtlil- gm have their re'llginn in . ..irovi t i elite ... em to Ink . ilb other. r ips __... 4ttiislip Itert. med. . uwa .0. the - elkt ; of Oit, Katz, That eirolkut %Jul) rivt•trst to itraitlie ..t. , ~ ==--~. F - 4 , . —.oil. dUties ,of Millie - ,er . _ . _ of ice without eliciting Jealoosy 'mpg .the Protest- night.. He leveeprom perm,* . Flora ants. .With : respect to the eft= of Lord High considerations to entier into a discussion of a great Chancellor, that officer was said to be the keeper of . pilidle question, conducted omit had' teen through: the King's coasclence. Would it be safe to trust -out, 'with:the - utmost 'moderation:and temper ;_ be the cooscletido of the King to the keeping of a Ca- ...hoped, therefore , 'that if he•teld himself bound to tholic ?—[llear, hear !]--Besides, the religious repel an accusatiott i brought against him, by an H o . .concerns 6( the kingdom would often come under ',operable and. Lear* . Gentlemen .(blr., Plunkett), the consideration -of the , Lord Chancellor and it On n preceding ereelm,,lbat Gentleman would Im. could pet Iventpected, if a Catholic illedThel office, 'lints the answer totlte jecere Which be (Lord that he•coislci, in the regulation of religious matteri,:t.) thought due to tiverytbinZrl t t felt from so emi , benctnitted br that spirtt width was so neceisall :yenta persisa. ;It wsercharpC ~ _te him as a fault; that it wit* italstabible, liliffctaily _considering the de& ilsoldieg the opinloositahftb - belidid OA 'this subject, ha trines of .sh s , .0 . 41, 0 0 9 .c l eilgion • on' that subjs . &• . .. - -- - ,, tested to form pen of .iiitAllfltipiettation,..theiso '-Upon cilia eonsuleratien Of these clieumstanCes t it ' andersteod.,principle, typo - Alleitd.l4 to (Ace, ' appeiredthet it was imprePer, and very dangerourtb , was to resist the Catholic' • •• He must my, iti trusty** of high Politic - el pow m 'ans potter to the manage. answer to this . charge, that so v from:sell% it to by went of persons who piafrised a religion hostile tothe ..diSadvantageous to the Empire that the controul of State. • The antidote proposed by some Hon. Gent. ',government shoidd be*Withhefil from this measure, was, tliattho.ndachief would be diluted by the' Wed- imatest decidedly thogght.thit It ought to be, above alt ority lathe amber of Catholics Who would be admit- ' others, entirelifitelcompartyttsupgle. • [Hear !) If ted to the enjoyment of power, and into Pattie'. it could notbe,carriedby the cordial ualsiassed wishes went.- This.was as antidote so very imperfect, that :of all parties--if it were-not exempt from all halm. it was iseetileu to say much upon It, so obvious was tote except its own principle and the deliberate judg. its imperfection. In mentioning the Petitions against ; *tent of the represented 'Cotnnions of England— the Catholics, which bad been presented, he lamented it could never be a blessing to the nitton.—lffear !I that the opinions of the Clergy had been treated The Hon. eudLearneil 'Gentleman (whose talents with thameful disrespect in that -House.--[ Hear eaciipd the higheitteshoiration, and whotteoonviocing hear, hear n—The laudable Seed which they Ipiech 'could never he forgot) might maily call to his recollection, whethet it,,was a taste fegTpeffice or a sense of duty whichihduc4l the present Administra tion .some time ago ,to remaip . in power. He . might Oics recollect, that the present was not the first Ad. ministragenivhich bail bees divided on this very 21 1 , h itch 'that'pr ',bleb the 'Tton. Gentleman forted so dlitingolifsbdst sit, It was will knawn k was so con. Ititotek that the iiiity:Cathsilic immure in which the persons In . eitat Cabinet could concur, was that Bill which they afterwards abandoned; conseotiog to re• main in effice, and holding themselves entitled to give individttal opinions, instead of the united weight Governtherpt, on this very sime.preposition, which hies now betere the geese. As to the measure it. pelf, his opinion was decidedly in , fayoui of it,. as. it lied been last' r tie s , Though he had been called upon Whig 'ht ' Fibind, he did himself IfesSed g a dot think !eg pate any specific ten ihe Conti... liihTthaegfi the saw almost 'surmountable dill 3V, the accomplishment of the Proposed s ohjert::' - ytt be 44 . not, feel the less inclined` c.ordinfli to,* emliark .in ti Mt laraPositi°t - t .which had been •Mi#o last . year by one !tight Ho. nourabie Gentlemin, and this - year'by another Right Ifonourable Gentlenien, becauie he was willieg s though he could not- see hti way ,himseif„ to fol. low the views of others, who might be able' to effect that which was not obvious to his own mind. --filetr, heor!,]--It Ink itickptly, the prevailing! sense of the lloe6e left Session, .that a Committee' should be appoh4ed, that, it might be. asceitained , ! what were the pitclee,diMculties of this important .qtiestion ; what I re the'obstacles vetch caused it to i stand still ; and i t thtr x .aiutbow far .those impedi -1 ments•could be Oval"? , Then, ..ne - pow,. he wan , : hinmelf . deterteideil y 'newer toesseet ter Apr ProPoid-: i tion which shoul d the eshibil i shed ! celigiou;, i bet he Mint stii , . tWit s Wheohe compnred stile presenc! situation of affairs' wi dt h the. state!, of i glinffP IL that 1 thee, he could see 'rio substantive, changes : Aiwa. the,; but year, which '4 iiidOce tisolltmese ' , qometo. ' diarent _, Witre . ' - still binding. ' - 7 - • -: - ~ , 1 sanetiosed • by . .. _,llttunity is s ~ of r dutch. He war not effectual altered ; and ,the opiniog„of the Mr. WILBRAHAM Aoo' - bletbsitirai use to entre* the lb"' Catholic BishOPe‘ uto the operation of hii confine' . Ewa Cathoiks of Ire with MO. political power. He la. t iiion ' that the ResOlution,of s tliejaat Salon would i l a w e d s e _ heens i ty o f g ut o dt eg them I be, regretted, dolt the ``meeti was given uo . fer back as In November, 1809. have been followed bir; a 'wit of ,emulation on toe .1 d ett i tit i 7 e T we lleiteteed of the hese* of their taltiotv, and thail All these obstacles were, therefore, in its full. force in., pact of 'the Cithsiiis. -Thus bowever E hisd fifst beenpi = j o u le . deresee " b46 l : id ° f,;7 14 ritit e r s ' iie ev ii ssio nu n ' w t, a nwl " ' t theiastear . as they were new. WhY then, it would, .the Cate,' end .10 iii'!: , (l see 139,..0ef adristage from ! . cry. -t Hear, bear. bear!),-It w‘suld be said th at if it was b# *Stied, did he then consent to the proposition of the. going into the Commetteejlies. um) I liberty of spir i t ! . ifte o4 . l 7 la, *a 7 of Protestant *ldei . .' 7 . ° . °C177711 .r : Hight Honourable Geuileatan ?, fur reason} -Tbeit , _.. - . ; tathaptsptua • power. the - -- l!e •wssisa ". tor c e a y :- - Lite ' '- - - wt* o• did-oet feTtitsh .log more thi5a..... 01 ." . .. iii•it-hudeeihriir ili liiriei rt - ikon ,rt.;277. 4r" be ' .46Wit Pule- I , th i lligr tut Wl' , . -- -r .- - -• • - : --. though it might 'hi" i e tist• 44"1414- la,.Canad;,- tree wea aa* r Ite •_ . "Mar u jlewer.i Set* wig his opirtio*ithim with the tireani'oT, lua way, through the op. in Ireland, even irie - conceded, and -In- : "I tica lw • . 1111 " g" ib a t in " da lli m ' s4.ll43r In.- fthi ri.L b ' ! Po9ingAiiiiculde‘yet)ii, . ht its aubject becomier their owu I'etitrnn the Cat hid show% them- i sem* , higuiste l i di aele wsc l i t h eOs e !ita. !of - -41311 (A s ti ed " , Hi itt l e c )...7477_t_o the tufted whdein of raiitam,nt to :investigate and do.- ' tgiii there had)' • IP " fermine. If We _ liesn,in•the rousse, of the year, 'great changein peblie Opinion ;he digisred with those who thought so. gut if were so, he should -think thtson additional reason for a fall and imp's. .641 discussion. For !demote, he could not collect, frem the pubrte temp* oupressed in the Political,. that the people wonld averse from Catholic con- cc :lion, provided the Measure should be accompeditat with 'proper regulations, and the Catholic tone were less violent and intemperate. It.was certainty 'true, ; that a very respectable umber ot Reotatootsi both nr Englund and Ireland, had it geikerel dislike to the measure; yet' this was by no Means the universal or the more prbvailiog opinion. There were, indeed, qstrOng feeliog { s , this subject the great . among .. mass of the population • ' yet those prejudices were so' softened 'and altere3, that, ,bad. the Catholics assumed, a milder language, the country would have felt a very diffloont dispiultion. At proof of this, s he would refer, ert well, to the.,tenour of most of the petitiOns; as' to the tm, of moderation and 'temper . whiny had pervaded-the debids. He would now,offer. a imoverir t e pa one or : two.viewi of this " - few, _ subject, as,taltan ar *titer penes* As .to the de. eland** Orltia*COolloi, that iesuletions would . mocker*, and* lainas, ---he telt , that he should contorts Ate riding a par;, If he held out to thu the •prospict &skit privileged ou condi. 4g- which ) al 1,19..,1416401!3,..91-14-Mcorm .qp ,tinea shoild ; .be exetinised ; ;ekely. Church :had - on .. i ts `tecindif tenets, of - it In time; isern rul etiolated t :these,* though obsolete. tipltve( itiffercd to amoitin, bae.antat.it - was . frignetuly edlifirolt sold enpleisant esoPloyMeni -to wipe away. the 'errors of our ancesters.-4Hear)—Mhe Pastoral of the Pepe, whiehlbad bees -ao much repiehated, was Issued at a time When he was completely stripped of Rower, s mi mist be coconsidered'as an - angry I w .l-.0•1 -uttered in. selft.defeate. I 1 did snot ; pretend its he blind N the danger Of tile . .-power of Site PUtral See : it viegbi be noiSerill 'foriablsble rte a ON ! vital Nitres:tent, anathis ordnfosut blight 'hec me strong eneinosofathick tenerverrarticular *ell -saw, thatliot tall. the: nifght .Of tile mirror Of:Pili rice was.able to depress or dentroy the influence. of the Yon.; and not long sineethe had an - opportunity of seeing the effects of this ioduenee. •In the expedition .of General Moore, a combo was intercepted, who was conveying to Bohaparte the weekly dispatch of fetch', the Minister 'of . Police. In this document '..leamexplained the state of the public "dad ; 'aid it Fetus. predicted, that Bolaparte avoid ilitnabd in )Ijpoin, .if he did not attempt to do vialessento - the !.Ptipe„ and through Ma .to the unlversid CathiAigfeel. lug throughout Europe. Mention •was pord*.tO this advice, aodit.lfel.not tilV after the defeat of Austria that the Pope was humiliated; lend . wlieu _ F, • . cultios . presii4 on e the tinier of France, the 'POpewas releaied: Ile did not, therefore, deny •thst the influence of theft* great,—tiat, wielded in conjunction with the resources otthe French em. pire, it might be :formidable. The Pope, there fore, beCame a proper .object, of constitutional jealousy ; but te did . n6t the less . faal on. this ac. count, the.' necessity of entering into great question, and providing tbe, bust remedy k again.t all possible danger. lie would not. consent to stir a step, unless he was COnvineed that. trait step Would be secure : but he was convinced, that if .tha Catholics should be Suffered to embark in' one tem. moncouse, with common privileges, the natiOnv . oas strong eitongh not to -sillier by this allowed' Unfelt in a cameos interest. Wbateter might - be. the meet* of the Pope; the • rondo et of Catlieliii had Coy- _ the been most tealoiiiii-friqudlyriotbeilritidi auttitu. ties; coastretthemibitiilbebetidei:that; in the Onmysettterdedevis#looooo!frlifoPfesieriiker midt , auf action were adOpteil l thala ihat•were,com mon-iwaii Catholic liittels Pe Europe: Fves'itistsilin, the GoTehrMent bad men sojealous of Papal inteke iorice, that by 40 4uitoicstitte r Osy extingtshitad:the power ,of the rope till it3beidd,upetatelnerelrfet tefitlOol‘, tad rporiwiees. All, thmettire r that' was Weeded to • be itfitred :by wsly mt Stieurfti t tippe to be the fundamental policy of every Stabs): find' the Caihollcs should reineledssei Wet .Nr iireettemt &Fawn from these tides. Whitt their ancestors WA. tli* fiemwdatiou of owe liberties.—{lieur !j— -" As authorities hate been adduced," continued Lord ,Castlereagit t " to iiiiiehtflitireitse seems inclined to pay every prqber attobtioli and defereivie, it would !be a.derelictibn of the doges which I owe to the diameter gullteelihts PM, et iielf is to my own feelings .and cenvittiotis; Wirh• on the present ocatiloti l interesting •so it; both by porton.* of• tile queetionsi omit the circumstances un der which we are called iipoir to discuss*, to °Mit siteuld ludo , a daaisiaal4fibar 40 the teroperd stating4he opinions of that reit Statesman; tritest, evinced by the Cttliotlii (which he lamented as, tend- tb,erdore, with- the moat nadiegnised expression, and ing to the destrugion,of their own. hppet) 1 OW 1114111 paler.* candoer,..declare, that with' all the lags were now expronied by that 04 1 . whic r ithad..notV, owes- which •I possessed" die' confittehdo of appeared last year ?. The situation of the, Pope.; friendship with Mr. Pitt, 1 1 had . no reason whatever _ _ , `ttaiiy did' thifilt the 'enqui as tei suppose, that he 'not• iry proposed to be now intituted kin ifie'Citims of the ktbman Catholics, and and the adoption of measures of ceticessioo proportionate to the justice of •tbeso c(tkifos t were .not... only expedient, wise, and iglu. tart'; : but fundatnentally necessary. Ue tt ri..et the wars tirnii: bound to observe; that Am thought • ‘.llt, • ) nCes- the _,principal objections: Arising to • thriii" coL cessieee.!' sprang oat' of Ihe• riolbnt aid iocon. siderite , views' . eitterfained' and expressed. by the Rennin CethoWs. theinieltes. Rut althotigh seiitii :and these were hii . Awls, to his expression of them; I mat this moment,.!enahied to hear-the most imequivocal testimony+l. can tkafeli-aildi that de in/Oho whole of my friendly and political' inter. coarse with him, never cosh), at any. one period, discover thrkt, the .Zetermination of his mind was to the )posed concessions to . . changed With respect prat. the Roman Catholics, either its the or the ex• pediency_ of the measure: I tense; Sir, taken the liberty, to be thus clear: and erolicit,- , herause my cenfidence-amyl caniicttemitie strengthened, not only by the maw I -possessed of kmoorng his mita al , feelings, bat because • my recollections of his nions is unimpaired. During the present, as former discussions -the word " Security" has !, usediand , usedvertanly, I atintit, with great proprit 'slat as the true semi of the Word ;respects our '.-- tablisliment in Church and State: II .untlerstaLit the meaning of the expression, I should not hesitate to call ' security' the adoption of some system, vritat ever that system may be, which, prevailing as itdues in every C,atholic country, ought not to be dcnird to a Protestant in • the'establiihreent' of ats coutiwy, chit And political 4rights,-1-Protestant in their Pi o greuive stato,—.-and Protestant in their present per manence and, ultimate prosperity. There is oue broad prificiple which I :can never be induced to abandott r aul•mean att./gm/ads:and provisions nous-. savy-te•besatitedi iu onto-telt:vet and couoterita ' • ''.••••• - • • . ..• ; . ~,,* • . %. • • ~# A- -'• • • • .1. '. ..:- ~ ; - • , , , ...-,..!‘ ti- . 1 . -' • . .. . ' ''' ' • '''• • -1, - : . - • - - • .itsc , , • • 1 • •-. . . .. • • , •• • . . . , .. . , • ..- , . , . . . ' „,. - , • - •• -. . ; • '• . ' a-- ' STAI- ; --• , • . • . . - ‘ _ . . • _. - v .. . I - iiita - ' Prom a document purporting to be a s titmmunication the principle of exclusion est 4. •: .‘ 1 ". i ltte......leaso it.e llite_ • „4 ...... mode t ra =- antatutt • ty . to optoter .. 4 , lfahoritacese.woite.i.coi : l2 .;" ' . P.' ' 1,1., 1. 11. ~.. from the College of Cardinals, in which they repro. length. If the catalogue aptness . .. , _. , .:,,,.,,,,,".., se . 1 ;7 dm . . ...., . . ~....,w, ~ v. ~....6__ria, ........ . _ .. 0 bated the doctrine that it was lawful to invade the become too large , , : lite . :ettld , ha m ve ;_ mil. 7,... 4 : g .... tie ;l- 4,14 7 , 4 . , ~. . ..,' . hisn , bs te : radav_theibe .s . ~ . 4.4.ablire 4., . it0ni..m...,the....:....i i ..... G " : ft e r a: desitii ot : : 144 ;h i d re.:preaa t ti ,ssek t 44 01 0 11 : : re 114 Watas 7 etthatic il- no : as . wh i tutos s i "" ;:betht : tehe;iree n k citithico n osteuenicsd il b4irit(b a .nher . r !I i, territnriesof Protestant Sovereigns , or put them to to abridge it with atrium. IV was -::- 1 . . . i ...t ri g i lr ' s ": . ...' ~;. .. . , L , , p•ot teeny revelations': this was not the lenges. . .et f death vs horrid and detestable. But the fact was, the nion 4 that Catholka should be excluded from al - • • : „ IN . la.* 7 1 4 death, vs Member went on to say, that thequestion bad , offices connected with the administration of . • rice ; The : . .."4,.. 4 been already derided by one of those Legislative i fill" , .. 0 „ .. , 'ea Wei ' ' . 'w'iriyeisla"' ~. ~,,- ,--. ..,:r z , • enactments to which they owed some or the privi.-1 tip!, . ,k,r . L.;..' , . ... a y oa f I , -.Er ri m, , -. 64;Wab linsaae s, .. 111 7 y . . li Ct ri mt : ; . ,,, ,t,,, ,, te „.. _ 7 . to re is d in . dec ia a c i t hi c r itr e tba tic a -t tita c ' o t t a i lle s o l Y t a ri c e o in s f:t i h ° i t n isF rol n pe a sen a ? b t as t s ° ; r d e . . t. . . 661*IiitherifL"4" i . . ''' 4.4 v .'l ' *.- ' 1.4164411.11. liva:plefth tidhs,tel ..:11itti:!::'C'hic::sinten't: °T. eurs as°44i'!ln tkie loges they already enjoyed, and which went to au- 'Me a it% . tee 1 . .1 , ..* .. • 1 i Cesititatee. • ; . , . ur p h rok. kilo% i-ige their fitness to hold those offices to whic linst E se .... . 1. , . i . , ~ ~ . pretence would Ise quite idle : they mast see, that ' iii they 1141 aspire<l. But it was contended , that .hi hes4rg re feAr • .......... .. .___. ., ...... +4+ ,- 14 -,., ; , a ..... l s stain other conetritif their admission to them would be contrary to the 'rho pinciples of the revolution. The falsehood of this who might lieee 4 ke)tliPiiiiiesi.thifich, * Nu - " 4 . "" . .'- , ' l4 . -2 - . esow, as ae diet &mole tset se - . • , sareere ' - r iM AMII2, /gum it. the/al Use more ably exposed in one of the spw.lts Ito hive any questions , about . Altes. ;.10Buer.„.nacie• _ f r 7 , - :"XVIrr101e ••••,- q raiii lid 4.,•,„ i e vault end • ) of c.itt late At r-. For than her cnutd heptiAniestit: I siasticif inafters - deckalis a - Cotat is A*, hi .1. cli- y kr w ar ti l itil it itilall ;Fcer i""' we thl . . 11. . 1 . 1 f ... tat ! d 7 . that such wer: llll. thei 'Clidie roenstinnitt lies "I ts l i t if ' t t l i t i et i r tj ' i°4 said, ..ecas „Ist . .Iyd were rain* atterikt stetuihe 'hid the op y ,port e u e nity t" lf [f'. re the lion. Member read some extr.kok-ftoe, Slialic Jerre r • Ili was Ilreellitt A . ‘Ttokti ..1 0 .0 , 14% . PA. ihd tAl lNsiieat i: t4 fi r li owe J 1414 0 '7 ° 4 . sitpltie4• t, hit Itteldwg,themiltithe9o9i.dy'llperel/tl.l4hia. ad•hthspeait akppepmfir6lide * the - - oeeili to' which he bad alluded, lend **Al allow it. .-Ilse weal& not ;my.. duit. Ike_ Leglela er, i ' ' . . i t / 1 '. - • . • Heil !o show that pretions to the ItevolutiOn, pit, i might not he eiri well swagged. by' Oketac,Otiing even subsequent to the( period, little. or stejealemayljadieial situation; but if such "iltneditoi irere 'en- lis felt blellell; motile present aces:atm .. * 'had heco entertained of the Catholics so.sealui HIP trusted to them, many case' *wad •occur,.:ip which `.., diger 0 0 14 tilell .with whom he usnallY acted :I)as to him to touch .tt n this, subject... inuadve • . , JP° rtiig to then adverted to the oiAliions. Id Sir Wes. tacit I they could net possibly exercise the duties Aof the ',stele ; et iluty.,alone .et.uld istlesace, his vote tbee ! the te ne t ; .t o r a n a t ioliii miejit, _ mi . e ,_, • ...t,:. .. . ... ~, huA nnt . li...nntnnalnit 'nu ;t urns itnnaut..ll effir,gt without exciting lesions' algoog .the Protest- night. .He never felt 'less prone ..to laufferg '.‘ ' :,llrOC ili r 4 e Pilrg°Pai I should: be exercised : ; eliery Church :had ..,,; 7, . the exquisite talent which manly candour of the sent r 1 Reluctance had been disph posed measure of going int ject, but that ,reluctance pi 1 once of danger which was I ' I bet real. Ife, nonce 9 1 t ; stated the unanimous opinl sajd, that the object of ill 1 1 Church and State.—[Hsar, not think that there was as Roman Catholics politici Which they required. N , - • -• - ' -7 7 - "`!"- - 7` . .7 - • . . , . • . . . ...... -..•-... . i,iiignaliplaligiMMOUj immi i r .e rititirilf tide eacesters;theycool! ily. Itecept-{ffeitr !]—An Row •,, I .llll . ithel: W itirieCt. ha r t itelli l ai s stnw h w a lutol l a l glaben t ut h o ro ti f ht6 p !i re e : ha th eli co la . o lsel us ie l g i lii : l l lll:: :: i' b t' o n a lle r • .tbai . they athirst consent to P.d. t a css e . lic o s ti fitis c e o r n el t ° co tt a r d ie n o s t f r i tti r t t hi E: gs, as has Pre. I quite idle : they mast see, that in sal.' or unreasogrjlo the 1 it Ithe r tiot ; pn a t lid e , li on • pro. - - V au • • Isl . itTiiurn at Mididlies wirlintinnints :if they were, they .. tt thienle 'lied the opportunity of 1419.. ''fleitiihid in speak •of the the Qtly pert ,ii which it appear6d Epos this,•subject... ktrstdvertng to tatebliihment, gitit 'lnriwapinto led; ,eiery Church :had ... n . its . . •of /which- it in tank *ra ni? , rm . tii ` it er7 li t g "t hi cs f r6 1: 11 i e al l ti le lt .Y i ly a 7 .mth he " `e rrors o f be or l4 : "st r ar c w i LdifiT T reP e c h r o eil emi ... liiitt a F i l t i an i::strg e rl y ilipl i sei,smsP . e:d i lline,t 9 f t . lefeete. H did 'not : pretend • danger Of the - power of ibe Papal reitiderell "foriardeble Its li poll- , anis oltintinutmlett 'br..4rue,stroug liserverfarticulae , 114 *ell . . *: .l ollhtstif tbr totrror 4r•Prance s or destroy the' indueece. Of the - ng siseerhe had an'itiporterrity of , tf this ioduenee. •In the expedition r, a courier was intercepted, who Bohepatte the weekly dispatch of ster 'of 'Police. In this document . . state of the public mind ; 'aid it tut Botiaparte Would tiltittied its rot attempt to do violent:e.t . a - the hint •to the universal Cathbticfeel. rope. Mention •was prig*. tO this • . not tilV after the defeat•of Austria humiliated; lied t 0.4, .wheo . dllll- • . . the puler of France, the fimetras . not, therefore, •deny •thet the - btou 'was great,--tliat, wielded in • 'the resources of: the French ern. :formidable. The Pope, there- proper .object, of constitutional • [id ntil the less. Ittel on tiliol ac. ~. • ._ ity of entering into •this. great ~ tiding the, best renaidik against er. lie would not. consent to • he was ebnvineed that. every step ..0 but he was convinced , that if .the .. , e suffered to embark in otre tem. . :entroon privileges, the nation` - was to suffer by this allowed - Unfelt in Wheeler might be. the :I,ehti- --. ' ; the . condeet of the ChtliOliii 'had i.friendiy r te 4.. British Conttitu. - treskimetessMr.te Ceesldei;:tbat; in ••••-'4 Ithitiltiiisoo oo !isr/001/# 6 4 0 0 4 0er iv' 4 are adepted, that ihat•weresxem. • • a States hs Europe: Fves'in Spiro, d teen sojealous of Papal ;unite- .0 hOkot state r theyextinguisised-the , t till it, k:4dd, operate,merelylet tlcii,„'Politioal- rporiseies. •All, . , rare intended' to • his 'Mitred :by ippiarkii .te be the *fundamental itati: and' the Catholics should •, , . ISO pmelltient wet' drawn from hose tideat. Whin their ancestors i Du of ear liberties.--{diner !j— . ire beau adduced," continued Lord alifticlitSiircinse seems inclined to . - ittebtioh and tleferetice, it would r the duties which I owe to the his Of Mk-. PR% lei tielf ars to my • ' onvietiatis; Wirer,. on the present ng•all , it it; both by tile'.' asr flu. testiOnp.sreth the circumstances un- called vise* to discuss*, to omit • _. 1 a of that great Statesman ; I toast, e most uedieguised expression, and ~ mdosse,..declare,• that' with' ell the . . ,ssessecr Iry the' fed' confittehde of r. Pitt, f had' ow reason whatever to did ' not . thiltk . the',Voquiry as a instituted ivio.theClaime of the and the adoption of. measures s'Ortionate• - to the justice of •theso -' only expedient, wise, and sale. ' totally necessary. l•wer, , • • •at the d to observe; thatibe thought .- nanny ' arising to • three conqes. sat. of 'the. Violent and incono entertained and eXprested. by SliA . theireielves. But althotigh orients, :and to his expression of moment.enabled 'to hear-the most ,o ohys.l.csoirefelinlid, that der- . 114-, friendly and political' inter. ' .' , never weld, at any. one period, .Zetermination of his mind was ct to the proposed concessions to ice, either is the 'justice or the ex. .• measure. , I have; Sir, taken the s clear: anti •eipiicit,- , because my iiietlenvie strengthened, not only: ... sssessed of khoorng• his minder . Ilse • my reeoltectiotts of his t • d. During the present, as on . i d el n 4 wi l isa y, io l f w a t ti od‘ or h ni r e. it t:d : t it e h y U g eope ti re tY" hasatctpsroop ' our!, :.• 1 4 .4 ,urch and State.' • If I . understand ..::o 1 expression, I should not hesitate the adoption of some system, w Ito- My be, which, prevailing as itdoes ' I country,. ought hot to be denied 4 iteetent in' the'establiihMenf of its *igleto r r-Protestant in their pro. nd Protestant in their-present per. 1 • 1 a l b t i iin illi a: gititd p e r a o li sts a e indi r e i r t e y prr . ob: T i :e ion r n e til is t:ic or ets t o e .. 11 1 : in order la ; meet atidtountirita . • • • •