The Statesman. — London, England, 1822-05-11 00:00:00

,t should bare his vote, it be could wen date at which assistance bad beast sent, au& „ . of 'LIVERPOOL said, that many 'Teets Instructions bad been given to send relief to ', but ha was not able ut_that moment slate met date. rl of LAUDERDALE contended.'hui with fi would not know whether ,any bent dam to remove present and to prevent rtes. .Famine did not come on so suddenly, Irish Government had not informed hl4 Ma ,misters of its approach earlier than some ago, it had not done its duty. Lordships then divided :—Contents, 17-- A•contents, 35—Majority against the Motion, IS. FINANCIAL. ARRANGEMENTS. retorn we found the Marquess of LANS. &siting what objection ;lie Noble Earl °opt). .1 have to allowing the Commissioners of the Fond to attend the bargain for the dead money, Js it? There was a clause in Mr. Pitt's Act lag *km to do so, and he could not conceive sbotid not do it, and thus secure to the public (vantage which would result to the Contractorg expiration of 45 years. Whilst we made sacriSige posterity by maintaining a Sinking Fund, sni additional burthen upon that sante posterity present arrangement. Why then should we not as the made most favcnrable and cheapest to our- We had as establishment able and safer than body to take and execute the contract, why for the public benefit? In this he expressed as to the propriety of keeping up the ma . Weary of the Sinking Fund, but be knew that the Notießarlrbought it should be supported, and if. it wire to be kept up, why not make it available to Hi patine service to a manner which must ultimately lis t its automat: He wished it were possible to inner . sheet Bill to enable the Commissioners foga. Ing Fund to attend and to tuke the bargaiosairelbe Money. His headship then moved for a Retort' of • of Hanks in England, consisting of thrsd partners: Bert of LIVERPOOL had no objection whatever teethes. With respect to the observations which lee from the Noble Marquess, be would say, that met hat there was a clause enabling the Corn s, el the Sinking Fund to lend a loan to the Ilk this was au optional, not a compulsory anktrhio always been left to the judgment of flirmeist Baring Hsi whole of the war, to consider desermiite whether it was more advantageous to • loanketo that fund, or to obtain it from the pub • recollected that at the commencement •of - the a gentleman now no more, had objected to a the public, conceiving the clause to be inapt. respect to the disking Fund. It was then . that its nature was entirely optional. I h the somber of eases during the last war, it bad been era' opision, that it was more for the advautago country to allow the Sinking Fund to operate es in the market, than to apply to it for a loan. Jt sow his intention to enter into the . question."ai ;rely depend on the nature of the bargain _Ad be made. He slid his Right Hon. Frieed Chancellor of the Excheqner) were to bear ter find in • their own minds these which they sbould by accepted. If they could not obtain any nbich they conceived sufficiently ;dean . it nould he their duty, and it was their ititen 4ese. But if they obtained those upon which fixed, be bad no difficulty in saying that they seers advantageous than any arrangement with „issiomers of the Sinking Fund. As to dee rspreseed by a Noble Earl a few days since (Bati that the House would not be bound by preyiune • before it came to discuss the nature of the bar, key set of Contractors, he would stateshai in ten in that of a loan contracted by Govern the House bound to approve of what had been retained the power of negativing such a con :lush st lean without any breach of good faith. ue that in much oases a deposit was made. but it Bank and was never touched till the Bill had to Royal Assent. If the Bill were not passed, was returned and that was all. In the pre therefore. the disrnssion of any •contract I gbt be made would remain perfectly open to .EY expressed himself perfectly satisfied with lanation, but could sot understand how it could e benefit of the public to give to a set of con the ad►antages which it might derive from the being taken up by the Commissioners of the nil. The simpler mode would be to repeal w the amount required from the Sinking Fond. Th► motion was then agreed to, and the House ad till Monday. HOUSE OF COMMONS. were presented relating to renewals of the ,rter, since the year 171.10, together with ac -4e number of flank Notes, &c. in circulation.' to lie on the table. ROMAN CATHOLIC PEERS. iNSPIELD presented a Petition from the : St. Mary, in the town of Leicester against the of Catholics into the House of Peers. Thu I expressed the utmost respect for the chant.; Noble Persons proposed to be admitted ioto' of Lords, but they f..lt it to be their duty to Hill non• in the House, considering the puss. a law would he a violation of the Constitu tahlislied by law in 16:44. The Petition was ordered to he printed, as were Petitions of a lore presented by the same lion. Member, f .oni IP. of St. Martin, St. Margaret, St. Nicholas, nd Belgrave. 1 Anus (from the Sessi3ns House, (:lerkenwell,) accounts of licences panted and refused to in the Holborn and Finsbury divisions.—Or on the table. in was presented from certain Protestant Dis sying rot an alter.stion in the :Marriage Act. to lie on the table. I:4snr:viorr DEBTORR' COURT. MSDEN presented a Petition from the lerchanta and Inhabitants of the town of wayiog for a revision of the Insolvent Debt .—Ordered to lie on the table. BULLOCK HUNTING. ;G presented a Petition from the Inhabitants thew, Betbnal-Ereen, cotnplAinina of the in. the practice of bullock litintinL-. to the great the inhabitants of that neiglitiourb,•od, and the adoption of more etheirot measures to evil than the law now offered.—lteterred to Committee. PUBLICANS ' LICENCES. PA LMIA presented a Petition from certain of Blob, complaining of the present kerne and setting forth that from the licence bring particular housei, the brewers had an oppor compelling the pnblicans to vend an nnwhole• beverage to the puhlic. Ile also presented a Pe on the same subject, from the Licenced Victuallers and thtparte Adjacent. IGKINSON spoke io the vindication of the I • 1 118111111.1 A Noble East I ties the date Ifemiteat. The Earl / Al " past. lostrt Ingest. bad driiiiii da The Earl hal Ow dele abtag had be Ware dieter • aolirlf ilwf I i jpltei Mini. 1 ! '.• weeks ago, i limit Ls 140 i-content Oh Auer r DOWSE ad *tie toild hi I , gihking For \ awl to take i empowering erby they `& tbeadvan!ai it the espial to relieve po i I dames asl 1 by the press make it to ti selves ? WI any other ho *Mt ttse it fa id opintnn a ehimery_ol I • Notle Earl) were to be b i i t Odic • wean its an attn.& short • Ristkinir Fut Mead Nenep 1 1 r On amber four, or six i t I • /he Merl • Ith this meth •. bad Wen fr • it was tree il I . ' l ' rnissioners el donntry; he 41austs, wok I' orernusent in! deferral take a lima lie. Be rec • , last war, a p • ban from tb• . Mire with I ' I : explained the 111 *rater semi C•o general e ,e of the count' tt, it did in the . aves`not now i • it most ?min t • PIA ; ithfeh shonlr (the Chancel sod had nit • (bought shoo them, or eel figeons, it n• il ton to refuse they had fine would.be tool i ' i the Chemist bops espreaa A • Vrey), that ti I ' contract hero gain with to . no Cm; even • , ?neat was th• done. I t rat ~ • • • ' tract or such It was true it I .1 Inv is the lis • • t riceived the I , • the deposit e gent case, tl il which might the House. .Earl (ME' this explanat 4' ; be for the be tractors the a hargain !Arial 0 ' Sinking Fun • .t 's taus to the' The motio ,•• jet.rned till I • $ a ; • C • ',. 1 Papers we Mark Charte . 1 . 1 1 . , count!, of tit i" '..—Ord•weil to i . $ I Mr. MAN Parish of tit, admission of Petitioners e fern of the N 11' I • I the noose of oppose the II I ing loose a Tien, as @shah . i • k Iff , read and OM shod..? flavor '' i 1 T 11' the P.4rrshes c i i i ( „11.4 i•i Wart, an Mr. RI Cif 1 prearoted act • • , . Pig,lieans in 1 ' •dered to lie / -,•, . ' A Petition . . a•r•Pf,, pray —Ordered h ,f f ' r / m Mr. RAS ' •.: 1 Traders, Me • Shrlbeld, pr. ;!, - o's' Court.— , 1 • Mr. BYNI , )•• , of St. Mattis • • cresse of Hu ! danger of a t. i• A praying for 1 * f i " • P repress the 41 the Police C Colonel P individuals 4 '... l H' , 1 1 ing system, granted to p twill), of cu •.: • some bevers ;S. tition on the ,• , 0' Rath and Mr. DICI la .' i i ~ • , • I . conducted t)iem!}►lves that the stote!sont which he bad made on a Wirier tright instead 'of being as naggers tiny' of their tokettotlattti bad Nateoilt-OOltitoott 14. Ilk , had Dot the smaileltdeabt that whele.therceme to dis !lents this subject in detait r preet would be tortheorsieg from ninny parts of the revelry of * gene and wilful , abate of the treat discretionery power divas to th e Li eeneing Magistrates. Under the prawn system 'a Ma gittrare might chase the power which it. possessed will impunity. Supposing him disposed to e ke himself a tt political agent, mid hi- that absentee., be auxins to pnnish a publine who bed append y he might 'hone to Illyrian atni election, be so teak is yes. seance on the individual by withhold's, hie ' . lid was not obliged is give a masa for doing: he had only to keep his own assail. la impossible to prove that be bed bees set 'lna* Milt motive. Witbillit some direst proof iege against hint could be instituted in the Cart of Kist's Bench, end in such a ens it was "'Reeks/ that sigmas. denies could be greeted. He sonteeded that greet mis chief was done by the overarming aerie of Magistrates to prevent the inereentaptiblio-henees. lit assamene of this throat was het little anspetiliets, and the brewers were enabled to , utake the publicans sell as samba/noise composition as beer. which disgusted then who drank it, and caused the labouring cleans to take te drinking spirits, la hoped the Hotta would halt ioto this is the eXerse of the present Stales, sad radairoor to correct the evil. - Were this dose the poet wield be ap plied with a wboltepuie sad Inigorating' beverage. aril • great ineniaa is the assumption of Seeley ant follow. Sir E. KNATCHBULL concurred with amiph of what had fallen from the Honourable hod Excel id Gentle man, hoped the evil wduld be corrected. bull Leas math fled the edentry gentlemen who acted as Illeglatates ernerell were anxious to prevent abuses like those al- Inded to. Mr. BROUGHAM had not meant his remark to apply to the country gentlemen as a body. Bat there was a class of persons whom he did sot cheat mere particu larly to describe than by saying that they were not extetly what was understood by country . gentlesre, whose conduct was -open to asiesadveninx lie was sore the Lards Lieutenants of counties acted well when they avoided (as slime thought it their duty logo) mak ing such person Magistrates. It was well sot so spoil two very good things, when separate—a justice and a parson:by uniting them is the same penes, holt was found from experieoce that parson did Not make the best Magistrates. -.. . , Mr. C. SMITH spoke to the Ihsses Wilda existed under the present Keening ',Ma`' . He had recently tasted a glass of beer, for which aft-pence was demand ed, which ads so bad that he asked the lender if she was not ashamed to sell such stuff. The saner was, it was such as Was sent by the brewer, and the publican could not help it. Under the preheat system* another evil 'prevailed. Persons took out a Ileseies to sell beer, not depending on the sale of malt ligoitic lin rariag for its quality, merel y . for the purpose of goldiiited topper tunity to open a gin-shop. , : _7' .1 ri, After a few words from Mr. N. Catlnwh'.' ' :' Mr. BROUGHAM said, what be could win du, that the power of licensing public houses shield remain where it was, bat what be desired 1,1111. fore words should be struck out of the Act sow te , I. 'that houses (not being public houses) right be to retail beer, to be carried out in small gentian. The petitions were ordered to lie on the table: WARRANTS Ot ATTOINIIIS. The Report of Warrants of Attornies BIN was brought np and agreed to, and the Bill ordered to be read a third time on Monday. NAVIGATION LAWS. Mr. AIARItYATT presented a petition from certain individuals, shipowners of Leeds. against the Bill for altering the Navigation Act. Mr. L. KECK presented a petition from the parish of Headington, iu the county of Leicester. against the ad minion of Roman Catholic Peers into Parliament.—Or dered to lie on the table. SALT TAX. • . A petition wit presented from ass dishing merchants of Yarmouth, praying for the repast the Salt Tax.— Ordered to lie on the table. The second reading of the Scotch Juries Bill was post poneil till Monday next. Mr. SCOTT presented two petitions from certain Pro testant Dissenters of Bridport, and Leecham in Sussex, complaining of the provisions of the Marriage Act.— Ordered to lie on the table. Mr. H. DAVIS presented a petition from the manu facturers of tobacco, at Bristol, complaining of the high ! rate of the duties on tobacco, and praying relief. After a few words from Mr. H. BAIGHT and Sir 1. I COFFIN, the petition was laid on the table, and ordered I to be printed. ..44.'il fiat iliat, Unsold - be. fie latr i atVoroo. Ant the Hew *inlet fourths- it reblortmerwilumut span were Aliehootiseeepoto of relief du& heel* been brought foren!e4 hy Miniature..._ ' Mr. RICARDO said. aif *la argument .Ma_ tint protecting outies.uaosot beat Ilscestasisamer. it Oft,. that protecting duties cassasheourve the growers fir kora the duties are so high as to shut sat all foreign bala4 and yet the bop-plasters are distressed from tins /let of thins la the issirliit:--(Reiar. boiii.)—Tbo frith ti. that the esly effectuf protectiag *Mrs id tootitalioe the GO mer to the, hopse market-4t gives asa, frili r typf et portisg.'L M (Hiar.). Tbe Petition was Antos& Tbe INdadilii the &Wei on ho ammitirsi to a thiriStsll l 4o tor sale.—kited' ot be rioted: Mr. H. SUNNI'S promatail s• Patitiaw lie Charehvgatdeoossi Vestry of lit. Neeloses, Soodoeseks .gresa_espritibbey ist vestry, arsiosttlee - RINaVONO stils Nit a& i Tb• Pesitios wee Aar sighed htfiffi of the Moot . . table inhabitant' of A/parish...4* derail to 115 dot table. i gile Sir R. RNA HRULL presented a similar Poities. I from the Archdeacon and Clergy of the' stiostossetCas. terhury.—The Petitioners stated that it wee' owing to the Rooms Catholic 'solstitial*a to groat is a fat, imli- viduale those privileges which the wisdom of Parliestent has refused *to the whole body. A conseqnetlee of ad mitting Romeo Catholic Peers would be as ishotsties of Roman Catholic Counnoners, Roman Catholic to the Lords; and• a consequence of the whole would be thostourootioo of that besstifol fabric imolai bi- Rot ___ aseastors et the aevolation, la all these nestimintie She Hon. Member expressed hie emits conearrease. Mr. BROUGHAM said he would eadeavesir,however difficeh the undertaking; today, bye word of reason er two, those dreadful feats aid .terrifying alarms uncle, which the Hon. Filember skid those sage petidoners la bourilL—(A laugh.) They seemed to think that if six Noblispen were let into the Lords. the next step would be to open the doors of the house of Commons. and the next step, that the whole House of Commons would be come Papists, and that the result of all would be, to let Catholic Bishops take their places amongst the Right Rev. Lords in another place. Now it might be possible to administer some comfort to these Gentlemee (al though, upon some minds, fear bad the effect of blinding reason,) by telling them that those barriers. et beautiful outwork against the admission of Peers to the other house ' so creditable to the our ancestors, was little better than a feat, of saisti might be well to remind these petitioners, that or Might was the obstruction presented by the oath, that astslassfll ot the Turks—(A laugh)—nay, the Jewish Ralsifiss—if any of those long-bearded gentry were in the constry, could, if they were elected, get into Parliament, if they could only say that they were Christians. •Of course a Turk would have no hesitation is disclaiming nenooly the Pope'? "civil" power. but also his "spiritual *ad ecclesieptical." or his existence altogether. Therefore, then, the only bar to the admission of narks was the accidestal use of the words at the end of the oath— " Aad this I swear upon the faith of a Christian."— (Hear!) On that word Christian, a member of the Greek Church could as readily get admission into that boom as the best Protestant in the country.—(Hear.) Sir E. KNATCHBULL said, whatever might be the case with respect to the Mufti, or the Archbishop of Je rusalem, he felt it inesesbest on him tojappeee the ad mission of Roman Catholics to the Parliament of Bag. land. Mr. BROUGHAM. In explanation, said, what he had meant to say came to this, that if he had the honour to be the Patnarrb of Constantinople be did not know of any thing that in the case which be bad supposed could shut him out. Mr. LUSKINGTON said, that be would rather vote, for the whole measure of favour to the Catholic than for 1 any partial been, which could not have any effect in al laying the irritation of the g 1 body on the subject. The petition was then brought up, and laid on the table. Mr. PEEL presented a petition from the Dean aid Prebendary of the Diocese of Canterbury ; also one from the Episcopal Church of the parish of Long-acre, and one from the Magistrates of the borough of Kilmarnock, all against the Catholic Claims.—Ordered to be laid on the table, and to be printed. Lord HOTHAM presented a petition to the same ef fect from the Mayor and Aldermen of Beverly.--Order ed to be laid on the table. MALT BILL. The third reading of the Malt Duties Repeal Bill was postponed to Monday next. Mr. HUTCHINSON presented a petition from the several Distillers in Ireland in favour of that Bill. Mr. WILBERFORCE complained of a misrepresen. tation which appeared, relative to some remarks be had made on an Hon. :Reuther (Mr. Wynn) in the debate on the Peetouters-General. Mr. WYNN said, that he never for one loosest mis conceived the expression of the Hon. Gentleman. CATLIOLIC PEERS. Mr. CANNING moved the Order of the Day' for the second reading of the Roman Catholic Peers' Bill. Ou the question being put, Mt. ASHTON SMITH said that he would not say one word on the general question, but with all respect to the great and brilliant talents of the Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Canning), he could not help thinking that the men. sure which lie had introduced was one of a most ex traordinary, insulated, and partial nature. It was un fair to the general body of the Catholics to grant a cons cession to'a few which they denied to the rest. lie bad given the must sedulous attention to the speech of the Right Hon. Gentleman; and if any thing had been wanted to fill up the measure of his objection, and to rivet his opinions still lighter, it was that speech itself. He had waited, indeed, for . all that which the Hon. Mem her fur Somersetshire had promised. He waited for the Syren's voice, but he waited iu vain; and if he had * shatlaw of doubt in his previous opinions on the subject, that doubt would have been removed by the clear and admirable exposition of the Hon. Alember (Mr. Peel), who would, perhaps, permit him to say his Hou. l'rieud. Ile had been informed, before the late discussion, that the proposition of the lion. Gentleman (Mr. Canning) was not consonant to the feelings of the great body of the Catholics. He would ask those Members who had pledged themselves to the support of the main question— he would ask the Attorney General for Ireland, who, perhaps, had thought it more prudent to join in it on the late evening, in preference to moving the previous ques tion, were they sincere in their approbation of this par tial relief? If the Hon. Attorney General thought that it was not expedient to bring on the general question at once, his part of it might hare been deferred until it was all brought forward with the securities that the House might reqnire, instraff of a mere insulated measure as the present was. It ettifixtraisrdinary that he would not be satisfied to welt for six short months for the great miesdoa. Ile would sit down In the sincere hope, that not only Omen who had voted against that' quad," but • bad agreed to it, would Join him on the pe , I voting against the making tidy *Mental it prominent one.—(Hear, heir. ) It was sot her Ito to consider •whether Charter Art: Was is his heart a thrill. but were these few Noblemen, because they were LeMs, so add, and 'Sy him• two wbo the_ .La p d rese siee _n is qtris ir to r a mmt . TkoraßiglgaHeirroo. Grovirweelitkle-11_ to insulate that kitsch of the Catholic Qtapetime And oak In that eistgulae eaksitrt'al restoration. Why he shad *MAI Perm to 40 Pe. ire ilifil l t "abject is be .1 14 4, 1 41.1 0 . Teiseemeletrilemait gronniled bµ mesenre on the peoposidon that the of Disabili t i es , 'was fimoded epee a fictioi—upon the admitted lies of 'Miss Oaks's plot. . fieppoilng that cause to be tree, skocogolygoetteraweiliary ceases at the same time to se nt for that Bill independent of Gates's plot. The elusies obtbe Ifiesiewa Catholic Peers, wasoine of the issdarnmria4 pries:46'lo4 slows at the lenriut'on Demi s'ti'le whetter-Iga of Charles 11., a plan wes t Is; e rss (it'd'e ettendsoler igopery in Hocked. ' T 6 eras essertrin ata of fke body of that Kin g , w h et Fame& Limn fletairod of their Minister, Fiorillo*, übsusimitis, the umiak holly pose/and in EagLee at that tieser ,It ormievident, that at the revolution, d ig Miele "het wee eeriest tbitailasission of ,Catbolice t o power. MO emild predvsea documents foes histery se toril tit beyood all doubt. 'The Rill of rights esktdi' a h e c Prohniemet Ceiestitntion. It smite eff the hero of s, as Lords !spirituel and temporal, being N ot . * ants--(Hear.)—Ti Act of Charles 11. did nut pass at the revolution ash sikatio. As to the Coronation Oath, from the Reformation I. the Revelation, no King wee required to tats an oath .to defend the Protesters qior l h, Tian introduction of the oath atoms only f the oecessity of protecting the protestant establish TOO* they were beemeito recogrise ai that day. 1 ''geese the Scotch . Pastienteat, file Act of t ' equally recognised the Protestari.cliiracter. He w wet apologise mithe 800. Gentleeme (dlr. Plink "la dlifertog with him. •Huwever great .his talent,. be; he would not submit» his opinion on the- He had hosed from him with muskies anti an lion, that the exclusion of Roman Ca not form a fumlamental principle otthe tteeroletioa. ' would next notice the grounds on which ' the 411*i the Peers was to be detached from the genteel qes. Lion. If there was any truth in the sayieg that "charity begins at 'home," the Commons should legislate for theateelesa. and not extend their nee passioa to the Upper House. They should' not abandon their own brethren, the Commons of the toss, try, and seek to legislate for the Peer,. What, he inal i t ' ash, were the substantial grounds of different& between the Catholic Peers and Commosen that the use be precursors to the other, and be inter/M."4a= them in the benefik of the Constitution. It asst oak. 'sired by the Hill then before them that lido o w e sheahe take any oaths. The Commoners are *Agate° de see Why should that distinction of conscience be i At ova moment they were referred to a sayiegof Lord KV' coo's, that all classes of subjects had repel rights. nig principle seemed to be now abandoned. He could .4 trace any inherent right to legislate in the' Peerage which was denied to the general right of every man's eligibility. He would take the liberty of asking the supporters 'of the whole qoestion, why were the tests omitted at present 'Kelt lid been introduced in the Bill of 1821.—(Hear.)— Were they thoaght i in 18(17 arid in le21; rad are they to he &rpm= in 1822 2 If any jusi mean mild 4 le shows far ami‘. , lion now, be would give op all oppeeiliest le lite.inelfe ' sure.—(Hear.)—As to the little danger to be appeal from the admission of seven or eight Peers, be bad known a case of an asseieholess et sena et eight who had carried most Imp•rtaittlieseflikee ' ti ill the stake of Europe, from Imperial Almeria to the s ma ll district of I Vesicle the Catholic Chords was gotten to those le. stikrions which the supporters of tins Hill have not thisaght proper to empire. He contended that Mr. Fox and Mr. Burke were authorities for qualified and sot fur unqualified emancipation. After a variety of arguments to show the inexpediency of separating the reseal from the general question, the Hon. Member concioded by moving that the Bill be read a second Sine that day six months. Mr. WILMOT said that be approached the present subject with feelings of considerable difficulty,'lsecatisr, although be had given several votes in favour of con cessions to the Catholics, be had Lad an opportu nity of delivering his sentiments on the question. The Hon. and Learned Gentleman bad asked them why this tonsure was to be carried before the general eirootipq rims, and demanded the realms' which distinguished it from the general qesstion. He would say that it was distinguished by the superior advantages which it pos sessed. Whatever danger some might apprehend from the passing of the general question, les could not con ceive that any one would contend for the possibility of danger accruing from seven Catholic Peers being ad mitted into the House of Lords. lint even if there ap peared to be danger in theory, with the existin g state of feeling in this country sod i nEu rope, but above all, with the existing state of keling among the Catholic body, be should be disposed to overlook that possibility. They bed a long time been debtors to these Noblemen for imme cities and privileges, and rights withheld, sod he was now willing that we should become their creditors for securities for a short time. With regard to the Coro nation oath, he denied that it formed any mime whereby the King should not concur in granting these concessions. He denied it, because la grandee them there would be no dang er to the Protestant Es tablishinent. Ile likewise dnied that the anomaly of admitting Peers into Parliament, and not Cesnesonete, was at all comparable to the anomalies which existed in our present penal laws. If he were told that the measure before them would lead to the carrying of _ the general question, he should rejoice at it, iud give it his most hearty support. He believed that whoa the people became convinced, as that house already was, that there was nothing in the tenets of the per sent Catholic Church of the nature which is former ages led to such evil consequences, their prejtrelke would fade away, sod they wi uld heartily concur in removieg the disabilities of so large a portion of their fellow-subjects. It was impossible :bit we could fe• trograde to that state in which the Papal supremacy ligaennotrimseanto .sargumentinconvenience. turned T a h g e ai le. and s io sthiwsrlf. Learned when he said, that Ibe presence of the Pope at the Coronr tion of Napoleon, gave a sanction and political im portance to that ceremony. Fur the fact was, dial Catholic Austria, and Catholic France herself, took .4,1 97 4 6 i : pos e t e s p . . p e o i r n t g u n N i t a y po o l e f o t s u s r o i i f i n i f i s a t g i a t l i e n . s t t i li v e :1 c i tilrte, regard tersecurity, he considered the best security was the 'esieviction of his mind that the Catholic sympathised is all the feelings of the general body of the people. The concession was desirable in the highest degree, as it effected the people of Ireland, and that was a Title which he thought highly deserving their atteetioe. it would be received by them as an earnest of what the basso intended to do site the steered measure at an early period, and diet their loyalty, which not all their sees of misgovernment hail bees able to destroy, Fro about to meet its reward. He reruemitered a circum stance which once occurred to Lim whilst artrudiag a a 1. -k l.O 11 6 1 / 4 / 4 *P , ---- •I • A : ni., . , t, ,_.,,, . .• ..____ ii 1144•11110P1tell •26 rt . tra , 4iton hat the market l I II P - -r , - retisfinsfanfer. Oa the general caseation hove/Ids it e 00401 ose 4. „„,.... . ..t , , X 111 sal bat a protectisg . l i pt Wpm. whespoor securities satisfactory to the Noble Lord 1 Strong r s it arts ha thatch tern ferillY la tha,, , Yasatrwl ll • W.www allwed.ha waalt then real bir. 81101.7011 AM had we doubt &at theue earls- vo i nw , „,,,, the present_ late_l4.lkl2llllllttf• If Om VEILS* to the *Pro PQM he ha d to me measure. tramstirhase she Ilion. - tfritiog.*• 4 . . end of" fir Mr. WETHERELL said, that he would confine h what he had represented tiler • ° Ars on , g - ir.lit ..... ~. i geslll . 6ll . IritltearrWkletwit adwatilleirof varieties ot . maqtal;ittea• Aliso iitalseee, ilibteM' 111 `1, , ,k_` .w.wtGr ee r'' 40 41 4" what the orgasm self precisely sad specifically within the hounds 1 3 ._. . _____:-.- ...s.: 1- -.1.... .... mom we. rie late iii it was. that the Hotter --: .1.- ----. --.:-- mg.- mot _a. .. ..w . HOP GROWERS' PRTITION. Mr. CURTEIS presented a petition from certain Hop Planters in several parishes in the county of Sasser, com plaining of agricultural distress. The Hon. Gentleman drew a most affecting picture of the distress which pre vailed iu that part of the. country. He observed the Poor's Rates to have been uncommonly increased, and the misery experienced to be such as threatened the most alarming consequences. In one parish, the popu lation of which might be taken at 2000 persons, no fewer than 100 were on the parish books. The Poor were completely thrown out of work. The Yeomanry were not only giving up their farms, bat were Ilyinglo other countries ; the Gentlemen were only able to sustain themselves by the hope of better times, and the Land lords, it was no solecism to say, actually paid rent to their tenants, in order to induce them to keep possession of their farms, that they might not be wholly un-. occupied. Sir E. EN ATCHRULL said, the distress which had been described was unhappily not confined to that part of the country to which their attention had been called. .11any were of opinion that relief could be afforded by a remission of taxes, but this could not immediately take place. Ile was, however, sure that it would be desirable j to find employment fur the poor as soon as possible'. Unless this were done he was afraid the evil would in. crease. He wished to attract the attention of ate House to an Act which authorized parishes to employ their poor on 20 acres of land. As a measure of palliation it might be desirable to extend the provisions of that Act. If, instead of 20 acres, parishes were to take 100 or 200 serer to employ their pour upon, that dsight mitigate the &stress, and divert the minds of wen from their evil courses. Sir J. SHELLEY doubted whether the plan of the lion. Barourt would be beneficial or not, but of this he was certain, that the remission of taxes would afford re lief. if taxes were materially lowered, reduced by about the amount of the present Sinking Pond, he was of opi nion that considerable relief would be afforded. Sir THOMAS LETHBRI DUE felt the ittiportasee.of what had been said of the necessity of affording relief to the landed interest. He was concerned that' no int. mediate prospect of relief had been held out to the nr. ferrrs. It appeared Pram the Petition now before the House, that though bops were protected by a teiv !teary duty, which amounted to prohibition, there self ate