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I tit ring w Parliament had been appointed to hold places ander the Crown, and requiring to know if they would still be allowed to bold their seats in the House. Many of these persons were appointed to All legal offices. Among them were the Attothey- General of the day, whose continuance in the House was connived at, though he was obliged for the time to vacate his seat. He was at a loos to kuow why the office of Attoroey•Geoseral had been thus dealt with at a time when the Solicitor. General was sitting in Parliament, as all the arguments respect. ing the Attorney-General were equally applicable so the Solicitor-General. He did not apprehend Istiat could have been the reason for this distinc tion, except it were that the House of Commons considered the office of Attorney-General as being more directly an appointment of the Crown. From this period the Honourable Gen tleman went on to remark on the scandalous state into which the House had fallen, through the profuse pensions, grants, and disbursements of Charles 11. until at length, in 1600. Parliament found it necessary to vote a revolution that no priori holding an of f ice under the Crown should be fellable of holding a seat without lease for that pose pose being granted by the House. This was the filoostiarion of the first Place Bill, which was brought .iris 109 e. The Bill was carried through the Conionons sod thrown out by the Lordra. In the year feHowiug a similar Bill passed both Houses, hut the Royal Amens was refused ; upon which the House of Commons came to a resolution, that they who had advised the King to refuse his assent were enemies to the country, sail had prevented the .11411 from removing from the State • scandalous dangerous corruption. The Hon. Gentleman tpursurd the legal history of the restraints which had ,been pot on persons holding offices ender the Crown .to prevent them from retaining seats in Pal liament. 'From the tat George I. &mu to the conclusion of :NValpole's stlnsinistration, there was a conatuntseiies ,of struggles to diminish the influence of the Crown iu Parhameirt, to keep out what was called the equiptoge of the Stele, stud to clear the House of tells sird place-holders. Walpole contrived to get rid of the qtiestion by adopting a plan subse rviently much in use with hi* successors, of sutler ;roc the Bill to pass ibis House without much oh .werrnition, knowing that lie had a strong baud on inch lie could rely for throwing it out no toe litruse of Linda. lu 174-2, while Mr. Pelham was Prone Minster, and Lord Hardwicke was Chancel lor, the 15th Geo. 11. passed, which excluded u s deny ef 'terror,' from Pad la mein holding offices under the Crown, and it had the effect of clearing the House of the clerks, underliiiete unit retainers, and allow. ing those Officers of State to remain whose pre sence was necessary for the conducting of public tausineel. Nothing more bad been done loon this to the curl of the American war ut Bits subject. At the latter period came that Universally de clared opinion of the House of COOllllOlO3, that the tefluence of the Cowin had iitcreased, was 'nevem. lOW, aril ought to be dinniiished. Up on this re. sulution Mr. Burke framed tied brought in his Bill, which would liNve been extremely useful hail it 'nosed. . But by that plan of giving up a great deal to secure • little. of granting a great rushy things to secure a very few, the Bill had been ientlered almost unavailable. Fawn that permit up to the preseirt, it would be found that Purliament had been gradually purifying itself from without, but lint 'Neglected that necessary and 'military dis t ipline within. It had scrupulously protected front annoyance those battalions which constituted the meleis by which the Minister fought his way iu the House. If the lists of votes were ex- Kenitra it would he found on almost every im portant gni-stains which had agitated the d of the public, where public ferlung lay on one s.de, snot the vote of the House on the other, inat vote had been made up by the dead votes of plarteinett and the Mistisien.. Ile F ee sssss mended WI t'ltB l olllll l. ll l lll into the stiliject, as lie was anxious 10 avoid the statement of any thing which email irri tate the feelings of the passing Hour. lie had given lomself some trouble to luck over what had passed ire the Morse since he first covered it, in 1912. Let rev one make- slur eximitisitnit. stud lie would find it imposiohle to deny that 111 misters had been sup looted on the great question. chi. fly by placeonen. No qnestion of public importance had been raised tending is reform or retrenchment, whether it were the question of the extra Lords of the Admiralty, er of any other species of reform, but the preven tive vote had been given by placemen and ministerial dependants. Now, as to the difference of periods, it would be seen by every Gentleman who looked 11110 the subject, that at the pwriod when the jealousy cif the Crown which he had described was strongest, the expenses of the Government, the places and re sources of all kind. in the gift of Government, the meausiof itiffuesice both at home and abroad, were, compared with the letter period, at their minimum. The whole revenue was less formerly than the expense of collecting it at present. 'I he expendi ture of collecting the revenue, it was to be re membered, was, with regard to the Government, only another means of doling out money for the ad vantage of ministerial influence. This expense last year amounted to 41 millions, a greater revenue teen was collected at passing the Act of 1742—a greater revenue t bun was collected when George ascended the throne. Following up the principle of our ancestors, his object was to remove from the Noose all the clerks and underlings, leaving the chief Officers of State in possession of their seats. Viva', then, he world consider the Treasury, the officers of which consisted of the Chancellor of the Exchequer and five Lords of the Treasury ; of coarse he could not wish to remove the Chancellor of the Exchequer, whose presence was necessary to carry on public business. He would even allow two Lords of the 'treasury, our fur England and Lne for Ireland. This lie took for a very liberal allowance. And their lie weeded to know in what two the other three Lords could be better em ployed than in defog the business of the Treasury Board, and if this would not be better and more en.tirble employment for them than doing the busi news of that Hons.- Taking the audits or airy rather brunch of tier accounts in hand, let any lean consider what would be the effect of haying three Lords engager) in the dispatch of business mare than there were •t present, not preprinting separate influence, and boasting they .even, or nine outs to value themselves it discharge of the business of their were besides the gm Lords, however, U, their oepr iinld dye, or set by their feithrul office. There two Secretaries who eat in Parliament. no doubt, wefts& and intelligent men, Tint be could ems help remarking how directly contrary this was So the moult@ of Aisne. The neat of fice was that of the Foreign Secretary, so ably filled by the Noble Marquis oppomte.—There could be no doubt of the necessity there was for the presence of the Noble Lord ; and if his office were to be held by • Peer, he would have a right to have his Under-Secretary present, as the Colonial and Hume Secretaries had at present. He would allow also the Secretaries for Ireland to remain. But there was the ViceoTrea surer also; he could see no reason why they were favoured with his company. It was directly in the teeth of the spirit of the Act of Queen Anne. He was in the minority with Mr. Pun sonby, who proposed a reduction in the pay of this office. Mr. Ponsonby objected to the office altogether, and thought he was very liberal in pro posing to leave it with • salary of 2,0001. Guveru ment with a sweep of the hand, by which at that time they disposed of money, decided, that 3,5001. was the right salary for the office. The division was one hundred nu one side, and ninety-eight on the other. No less than forty-two placemen voted to make up the majority of two. The next office we• the hullo Board, which consisted of four _members; he would leave the President, and turn out • the other three members► His reliant) was Oust they were of no manner of use there, nor, as he believed, elsewhere. He did not know anyone who could say if there was such a Board. The name of India was forgotten ainoug them ; they knew no more of the affairs of India in that House than of the planet Jupiter. India had ant been mentioned among them since 1913. Sink or 'aim, whatever the state of the people or of the et 00000 try. they were never subjects of inquiry in that House. His Hon. Friend had endeavoured to call the attention of the House to one subject connected with India, and a vote of thanks had been tressed for the Marquis of Hastings. Beyond ties India had not been men tinned. In 1784, Mr. Pitt contrived to defeat the Inds Bill, and brought in another measure just afterwards. In a flourishing manner (of which manlier he was a great master) lie described his measure as one which would put the country to no expense ; that a compuoy of indepen. dent Gentlemen, all of them great personages, who were above receiving any remuneration, were to constitute an India Board. Their suc cessors, however, disliked these conditions. In 1794, Lord Melville brought in a Bill, which gave the Members of the India Board various salaries, that of the President being 2,000/. and allowed them all teats is Parliament; doing much► by this to swell the ministerial majorities, but nothing at all fur India. Was not this from first to last an infraction of the Act of Q.iera Anne, to bring men into Parliament who bad no thing to do but vote? He ca n e next to the Ad. mirolty : there were five Lords, alt sitting in Par. liameut, each receiving a salary of 1,000/. ; their Secretaries had sat there, urn that there was 111 chance of hiving seven members of that Board in the House. Why, what had they to do there ? They voted, that was well known, mid in the passin g of the Navy Estimates they must have been found extremely useful. But there was the Noble Secretary of State, by himself alone had he fought the most stoutly.contested estimates which had ever been agreed to. Why was the Admiralty to have seven representatives and the office of the Foreign Secretary only one ? Ile did not deny that they might b• very good men in their offices, but they were hail members of Parlia ment, because they held living of the King. The Treasurer of the Navy was a useful officer: hr and two Lords of the Admiralty should etay.— He would 1160 keep in the Secretary and Comp troller the rest should depart. He Caine next to the Ordnance. There were six from that department. Ile proposed to leave two, allow ing Government to chno-e them. The Secretary at War of course should remain I lie might be held out as a pattern to the oilier departments. The Judge Advocate, the Paymaster of the Forces, the Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster, to these officers remai ll oo there could he no objection. He would continue the Vice-President of the Board of Trade. He was unable to say why the Master of the Mint was there ; it was still more strange that this office should have been raised to a Cabinet seat. He did not wish to lose the Right Hon. Gentleman out of the House, but he saw no res. .011 for letting hitn stay, or for keeping the other officers of the Mint out if he were to re main. He recollected, indeed, that Mr. Perces val held two offizes in the Mint—he was Surveyor of Melting' sod Clerk of the Irons. It was, how ever, as reasonable to allow a Commissioner Of Bankrupt a seat as the Muster of the Mint. There was no reason for two Commissioners of Woods and Forests being present. He was at a loss to know why any of the Household were to sit there. He would allow uric to attend from the Lord Steward to communicate between the Sovereign and the House—he might be either the Comptroller or the Treasurer. There were two Lords of the Bedchamber present; he found fault with this; it was new in the constitution of Parliament, though not without precedent. There was no reason why the whole twelve should not be there as well as two. They were objectionable, because they held livery of the King. In the House they merely added weight to one of the scales of Justice and not the Constitution ; they were prepared to vote for any measure of any Government ; they furnished no species of information ; they belonged not to the House. He came next to the law-officers.— He would not object to the presence of the Attor ney-General, though it had been objected to for. merly. But he would remove the Judge of the High Court of Admiralty. the Judge of the Arches Court, the Lord Advocate of Scotland. the Chief Justice of Chester. He should always contend it was unfit that • person dis charging the duties of a Judge in the country should till a pole ical situation in Parliament. The Judges of the land should remain unbiassed rind removed from the heat of political squabbles.— / Hear.. Irenr.p.-The next office was that of Master in Chancery ; stud as the Irish Masters of Chancery had been already excluded, he saw no reason why the same law should not extend to the English Masters. They were servants of she House of Lords, they sat in the House of Commons, to the prejudice of their suitors, and should nut be allowed I. Itesit theta. to 1806 there 'Was a twostlll-advised 'measure introduced to Perlianteitt, allowing them 1,500/. a year peosioa when they retired, and 4,0001. • year gallery. He did not know Utak Government could confer a better rewirel 'cm thei' adherents, or hold out a !stronger temptation . to their opponents. There were fifty-one places irws . j movable at pleasure ) twenty-enhe of wtiosio he should wish to tune out. They were, in fekt, dead voles to support any Minister, or any measure; sod they had recent experience brew • devietnin from the most sabusitisive obedience was rewarded, They had seen that boldly declaring a man's. opinion on a greet mitionaPqaestion was considered • sufficient ground with the present Administration to remove One individual. Heseilluded to Lord Fife, although they had sufficieut information in ,dependent of that instance.—(Hear, hear.) — Having entered this fat into particularr. he should now wish to call the attention of the House to some general conclastous. It appeared to him that the safest course to pursue was that to which our an cestors had studiously adhered. Whenever they discovered an abuse, they provided a remedy ; they infused new life and blood, and a vivifying refresh ing principle into the constitution. They were al ways anxious to Jeannie') the power of the Crown, which fur the last half century has been gaining groused against the liberties_ of the people. The power of the Crown was iiumurtal, almost eternal, " it had increased. was increasing, and should be diminished." The elecessity of its diminution was apparent Collie meanest understandiog. He should read to the House the language of a protest entered upon the Journals of the House of Lords in 1730, we the rejection ref the Pension Bill ; it was al most prophetic of the present times. The Ho nourable Gentleman then read a passage from the protest, which stated, " That they objected to the rejective° of the Bill, because all influence exer cised in either House of Perliainent, except whet tended to she benefit of the King seed the Comte tuna'. was improper. Aced if ever a time should arrive when a corrupt Minister should have the distribution of rewards and pensions, he may de prive a worthy and generous Prince of the 'newer of kilowing the feelings of his people, and in dim man ner alight be culled on to approve measures wh i ch the whole nausea disliked." IVhellier such a time had now arrived, he should leave to the House to decide. He looked upon the present question as one of vital importance, it was the drat deli which the Parliament should take to bond the prelate to it. He was persuaded unless the House reformed itself within, by castiug from its bosom theoe unenumeuis of their shame, which the Parliament in the time of King William declined a scandal, it would love the affections and regard of the people. In the limes in which we live it was the ditty of the Peer lament to keep the country clear of the difficulties to which it was liable, even tinder the best ad ministered Government. But if they writ de ter 000 o ied to treat the prayers of the people with con tempt, instead of adopting measures of conciliation, all that he and such persons as himself, who had exerted themselves during their short political life could say, woo, that at latest they had the sslisfac lion of - baying done thee, slaty; out, let the conse quences fell ou the heads of those who had plieug ed the country into the slate it is at ',rearm. — Hear, hear.)—He had to thank the House for the indulgence they had sliewn him, and should con clude he 'nosing— " For have to twist is a Rill for bettor securing the In dependence of Parliatieul."—( finsei cheers.) Mr. FREDERICK ItoutNsosi vital, that Ili. Hon. Friend (Mr. Brimett) had expressed himself with temper and moderation, which in any thing that fell from him he should endeavour to imitate. He was aware that the person who objected in these times to a measure introduced under the plausible appearance of securing the independence of Per !tinniest, ran the risk of encountering conoiderable unpopulartiy ; but it would be ace unbecoming feeling In any one to be deterred by such a motive from boldly expressinie r' his opinions.—(Hear, hear ) —His Hon. Friend ha d, front the manner he stated the question, saved him the tumble of going at Length into it—for he admitted that it would be unwise to exclude all plaeemen. The question of principle these was removed, and they only now dif fered as to degree. The question for the House to decide was, whether its present situation was snub as to require the interference of Parliament ? lies Hoe. Friend had stated, and stated truly, that it was the custom and 'evacuee of our ancestors to check the inereising power of tier Crown. No man was more disposed than he was to view their proceedings with respect—he felt persuaded that they were founded on the soundest principles—but he would go further than his Hun. Friend, and say, that else) did soot curry their restrictions suffi ciently far. In thee time of Sir Robert Walpole there were 200 persons in that House who held places and pensions; and with all the vetieration which he (Mr. Robinson) eutertamed for a Whig Administration, he must say that was a proportion quite preposterous. puring the erliteinisiralien of Lord North, when the Parliament sits smaller than at present (the Union not leaving been • ffect ed), there were 118 placemen in the House. lie fact. at no one period was the cumber so small as at the present day—( Hear, -hear, frost the diltaisterial Beaches)--end the quoition for the House to de cide was, whether the influence of the Crown was DOW so great as to require the interference of Par liament to diminish it If his Hon. Friend were to push his principle to ita full extent, it would de prive the Ministers of the means of carrying on the government. lle evis one of those who thought a collision of parties necessary to the conducting of the *trans of Government—lint that opposition which *rose from petty personal motives, but t h at sound constitiition•l opposition which lie was sore did exist, and which arose from honest, honourable, and pa triotic principles.—l tee 00000 reties' between the House and the Government was indispensably necessary to menage its affairs, and it' that were re moved. the Guyer 1111 l riot would he compelled to etwort to measures much more dangerous, front winch neither they suer the House could derive is!netit. Ills Hon. Friend had stated, thst tie, OMO. of Cos 1111 l ons 4:phasic:led liself lie a manner deserving reprohin 1111 l ; and claimed enroll to him self for seeing uteri iu COnerfl With the a 'vibes of the people them ihose who supported the Administra time ; aloe claimed merit to liiiceself fur a con scientious opposition to lice Ingiolinfe•OfGovrrilinetit. He knew lea Hun. neves' too well nut to give hint full credit for his intentions, but he hoped he would allow him (Mr. Robinson) some, strtall credit foe purity of intentions.-4" Hear, frOke both sides.)—it was going 'toollsr to stogniatize the Government as insensible to the feelings of the people ; there never was a period when the opi. ti to ti o of the pcople were so powerful in Parliament as atineseist, and be was not sorry that It was so ; he respected the opinions of the people, and, in his humble sphere, he hail always consulted their lute iests. But if the Administratioo had not firmness enough to look to the right and the wrong side 'of a question, without being swayed by every breeze of popular opinion, it would be quite im possible to conduct the 'disks of government. Let it not be supposed by this, that he thought lightly of popilar opinion : as he said before, lie respected the opinion of the people, mud was con vinced that when 'once firmly fixed in any country no pOwer could restrain its operation.—(lleue, hear.) He was aware of the odium sod intoutatious to which the House of Commons would subject them selkes by rejecting the present motion, but lie was sure they would nut 'suffer any calumnies to drive them into the adoption of measures that went t 6 destroy that just, and reasonable, and natural in fluence, winch all Stateimen iind all Philosophers had agreed was essentiully necessary to the govern merit of a country.— (Hear, kear.) Colonel DAVIE'S suppolted the motion. He thought that no man could litre the hardihood to say the influenee of plocemen and pen sioners was not Kreater at thin thin at any former peotorl. But he thought that the perevnis inte rested in the motion o'f his flour. Friend should at least decline voting. The Noble Margnis (Lon donderrv) and the other Right Hon. Gentlemen, who *vie exempted from irs provitiodv, should of course vote; hut lie thought that delicacy should induce these Gentlemen who were arraigned to de cline interfering. The' ustom in thai House was, when a person was accused, he got up and mode his defence, and then retired. It appesied front the third Report of the Finance Cr/ 11111 l liter, that exclusive of the half-pay, widows' pensions, &c. there was granted in penlions arid superannuittions, in Great Britain and Ireland, no lest , a sum than 200.3971., which had since increased to 496,2971. lie implored the !loose, if they had city regard for the prayer* *ll4l entreaties of the people, if they were really the guardians of the Mettles df the people, and the faithful oboe, errs 'oldie increasing power of the Crown, to adopt that Morhrliate, whole some, cud Cosistitionol mode of reform. —(Near.) The House then divided. The numbers were Folr the Motion. — Aphis' it Majority with the Meister • 14 On our re-admibsiasi to the g•allrry, we Gland Mr. FREDBMIC. RoBINSoN on his leg.. He moved for leave to bring in a Bill to repeal part or the Acts concerning Nosey old stores. and aubsticut. iog other provision. in lieu thereof.—Leave was given. YORKSHIRE POLL BILL. Lord MILTON rose to mese for leave to bring in a Bill to render the nwde of electiug Members of Parliament for the county of Yolk more con venient. 'nos motion dill not arise out of any thing that had recently occurred. The object of his Bill was, instead of taking the poll as it was at present, that the Sheriffs should be em powered to appoint polls in the different Biding'', which would not 1w consecutive, but all coorludeat the same time. Accurdi:l to this plan the election would be concluded iss a much shorter time than at . present. At present there could not be mare then one booth for each Wappentake, but he should propose that there should lie as many us were ne tessar)•, and that power should be given to shut up each booth unless • certain number of voters had been polled during the day. That plan had been acted on with g►eat success in Ireland. Ile should ■iso propose to give the deputte+ of the booths the power to deenie on votes to their respective booths, without referring to the Sheriffs, sod that the three Vice-Sheriffa should have the same power over the 801 l i.s the Sheriff. Thus plan would, lie had no doubt, be attended with the most beneficial effects in that extensive county. The Marquis of LON DON DEMIRY svid, lie did not rise for the purpose of giving ally opposition to the Noble Lord. When the details of the measure were laid before the House, they should be able to see whether it were unexceptionable, sod calcu lated to effect so desirable att object. The practice to which the Noble Lord had alluded, had been found effective in Ireland. Lord HOTHAM spoke a few words under the gal lery. which were quite inaudible. Mr. STUART WORTLEY mid, he had consulted some of the leading Gentlemen in the county, on both sides of the question, both Whig and Tory, and they were decidedly opposed to any division of the county. Sir G. BEAUMONT said a few word., hut was inaudible in the gallery. After which the question *as put, and leave given to bring in the Bill, which was subsequently brought in, read a tint and second time, acid ordered to be committed on Mon day next. Colonel DAVIES brought up the Report of the Committee on Clover and Trefoil Seeds, which was ordered to be laid upon the table. CRIMINAL LAW. Sir J. MeatusTom ruse to move the Order of the Day for the further consideration of the Repot on the Forgery Punishment Mitigation Bill. The Marquis of LONDONDERRY urged the nem*. sity of postooning the discussioi. on this question on account of the ordinary supplies of the year not hiving yet been noted in the Committee of Supply, the necessity for which was apparent, as a further delay might base an injurious eff.ct on the money market, e►td to-mor►uw his Right Holt. Friend the Chancellor of the Exchequer would bring forward the Budget. Sir J•llis MACKINTOSH insisted that he was in possession of the House. After. few words f Mr. ELLIce and the Mar. qui* of LONDONDERRY— Sir JANLS MACKINTOSH propose to pass the Bill pro forma through the present stage, have tile Bill printed, and tike the drb•tc nit Monday. —The amendments he had to ',impose he would now merely name. The first was merely verbal ; the second was an amendment of the preamble of the Bill, adapting it to its present altered state ; by the . .third he propssed lo exclude the private stock or ihr Brisk of England, and lie proposed to distinguish the punishment of forgery Qll u brat couvictioa, and leave a (11.r:return to fix it at be. tween six and ten years hard labour. A Member inquired if the floor. and Learned Gentleman meant to extend it to country beak paper ? Sir JAilltS MACKINTOSH said he had an suit intention. The SPEAKER sroggetted the propriety of the Bill goink through a Committee, for the sake or the arnendments being taken more correctly than if he was to write them iii. The House then went into a Committee, through which the Bill passed. The House then resumed, and Lord Bimmime brought up the Report. The Bill wee o r d ere d 'to he engrossed and read the third time on Mon day next. Sir JAMES MACKINTOSH S4ill. of course there could be no object too t 3 extend the understanding to the two other Bills. Sir F. 0111111;;11T made some observation which we did not catch. Mr. CHETWE ND and, he had such an inveterate objection to the Dwelling-house Rubbery Bill, that he could not suffer it to pass through this stage without opposition. A conversation ensued on the point of taking the discussion now or nu Monday. Sir James Mackin. tusk, the Solicitor-General, the Attorney-General. Mr. B uN t ~,,, Mr. Arhethnot, Lord Milton, took part in the discussion. Ultimately Sir Jame. Mackintosh forbore to insist on his right (as being in pcosession of the House) of going on tonight, and the Order of the Day fur the House going into Committee on the Navigable Rivers and Dwelling-house Rubbery Bills was poatpoued to Monday next. The Nlaiquis of LONDONDERRY moved the fur. titer consideration of the Report of the Committee of Supply. AUSTRIAN LOAN. Lord J. RUSSELL said that in the last pipers land on the table respecting the Austrian Loan, it appeared that she Austrian Government denied the debt altogether, amounting to seventeen million,. The queotion he wished to ask the Noble Lord was, if he had any objection to lay before the [louse the .lispatches of Mr. Gordon, which con tainer! the reasons of the Austrian Govcrutneut for considering itself out of oar debt Tine Marquis of LoNDORDERItIf said, he thought it would be int xpedient to try before I'arl►atment the arguments of the Austrian Government on the subject, as his Majesty's Gower 1111 l rut had not de sisted from their claim, and he considered it would operate disadvantageously ou the future negocia bolo. Lord JOHN RUSSELL observed, if the Austrian Government deny the debt, there is en end of us gociatiou altogether ; but if the Noble Lord did negotiate, to discua.ion in that House would strengthen him. lie gave notice, therefore, that he slmuld next week submit a motion to the HMIs, no the subject. The Marquis of LONDONDERRY said, then the Noble Lord imagined that the negotiation could be better carried on in the House of Commons thin by his Majesty's Ministers. Lord MILTON wirhed, if the Chairman of the Agricultural Committee were in the House, lo ask at what period the Report might be expected to be presented ? The Chairman of that Committer had said, in answer to a similar question some time ago, that it might be expected ten days after Eas ter; but instead of tell nays six weeks had elapsed, and no Report had yet b, ell ',revolted; iodised hr had heard of rumour+ being afloat that it would not he presented for some time ►o come. Considering the importance of the guts ' ,he thought it desir able that the House should have intelligence con tenting it before the Session drew nearer to a close. The Marquis of LONDONDERRY said, the Noble Lord must feel that it was quite impossible fur any one to answer his question, snore particularly as the Hon. Member, the Chairman of the Committee., was absent. Lord MILTON said, the mewling of that he took to be that the whole of the Seaviou had been whiled away by Government, ■nd now nothing would be done. The Marquis of LONDONDERRY (.x1,116110. Mr. TIERNEY said. surely die Noble Lord might be able to give a guess when the Report would be forthcoming. After a few words from Mr. Bswwrn and Mr. HUSILISION, the conversation dropped. ORDNANCE ESTIMATES. The House then went ion° the consideration ei the Report of the Committee of Supply. From the first Resolution for granting 43,0711. 124. for galleries of Officers at the Tower and Poll.insll— HUMS moved there should be a reduction of 15,8001. fur the reasons winch lie ILA before given in the Committee. Mr. LOCKHART thought it impossible Iris Ma jesty's Ministers could think to collect as large a revenue now as in the most prosperous state of the country. He considered it to be butts morally and physically impossible. and thought Viol ought not to vote a single shilling further till the R. port of the Committee on the Agricultural Distrospes 010; laid upon the table, that it might be ascertained it there nere ability in the country to pay these bur dens, which his Majesty's Ministers teemed iu to much haste to impose. Mr. RIC•RDO said, as he %VHS a Mn I nkier of the Agricultural Committee, be thought et his duty to state, that the delay in prowling the iteihnt had arisen from the nature of the subjeci, arid out frets any neglect of the Committee, who had been em ployed most ossiduoualy. It was his (lUD belief that the Report would be presented before the pro rogation of Parliament. Mr. WARRIC thought the objections of his Hoy. Friend (Mr. Hem.) to Ohio resolution were deserv ing of tba consideration of the House, if ever ally figures or titmice olutroseotg were b... fie hoped. therefore, the Honourable the Clerk of the Old nonce would forego his diguilied silence, and glee some explariutiriu. Mr. WARD bald, the article had already heel' debated fur big or Steen nights towthe', and thi. whole history of the Ordnance had beet' gout Hike he could therefore only repeat what he had before stated, that the growth of the Ordinance. the gre..t addition to, and new arrairgenitut of the accutiois,