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rr r place. But still he was convinced, that the diAion i• to three Chambers of concurrent jut isdiaions was the most advisable and hankie! measure. With respell to the Court of Review, he would wish to question the Learned Judges, whether the division of the Court of Session into two Chambers *as any violation of the articles of the Union and if no violation, why the appointment of a Chamber of Review, in which some of the very Judges of the Court of Session would sit, or to which Lords Extraordinary would be appointed, should be considered incompatible with that great compatt The Noble Lord adverted to other questions, *kith he proposed to put to the Learned Judges in attendance; and which went to aft& either the necessity of the alteration ; the division into three Chambers ; the IntroduSion of the Trial by Jury, in certain cases ; and the Appointment of a Court of Review, or intermediate Court of Ap peal. He then concluded with moving the question a: to the great expense of the present process, as being much greater than the obi , za in controversy. Phe LORD CHANCELLOtt expresscd himself anxious to receive every information ; and thc:tfore he had not risen to oppose the present motion. But he submitted whether the question should not be enlarged, with a view of ascertaining whether the Court of Session was not able, by the existing laws, to redress such grievaaces and inconveniences? After so Ise few observations from the Earl of LAUDERDALE, Lord REDESDALE, and the Duke of ATHOL, the question, as amended by the Lord Chancellor, was put and carried, as were the, other questions proposed. The LORD CHANCELLOR then moved, " That he be desired to communicate the decision of the House to the Lord President and the other Learned Judges who wore in attendance."—Or dered. The LORD CHANCELLOR rose from the Woolsack, and said —" My Lord President, you will please to state wh.os you and your brother Judges oil be wile to riot's 3 answo-s to the ques tions proposed by this House, and which have now been delivered to you." After a fro ruinntes consultation with the other Jt.dges below the Bor. The Lord President replied—" My Lords, if it should be the desire of the House, that after a peril- ral of those questions, our ansu et should be imme diate, we will be ready to give them this night ; but if it is the will of your Lordships to grant a longer time, though for my own part I should pre fer to-morrow, yet I wish to coincide with those of any fellow Judges, who wish to have until Monday. I laving said these few words, I will trespass upon ) our Lordships' time fora little, whilst I advert to the ►ituatiou in svh;cll.—(.4 cry of Order ! Order ! preempted Au yroccedme anti tutee.) The Lord Chief Justice Clerk wished to know whether the answers were to he in writing ? He then stated the inc , ,nvenience attending any further delay, to the important and cearest interests of that pan of the country. The LORI) CHANCELLOR anso - ered, that the result was to be in writing, but that the reasons should be given viva ogee. Lord ERSKINE move I, " That the House do receive the answers or the Scotch Judges on Monday next, at three o'clock."—Ordered. On the motion of Lord GRENVILLE, the ques tions proposed by the House were ordered to be p:i..t.J. LOAN INTER EST BILL. Lord HAW KF.SBURY then moved, "That the WMe resolve itself into a Committee on the Loan Interest Bill." Lord AUCKLAND briefly stated the circam stances attending the introdudion and progress of the Bill through ° the other House. The financial Pleasure, adopted by the late Administration, of pledging the War Taxes for 20 years, had his warm approbation ; the amendment which had been pro posed by the Chancellor of the Exchequer in the other Horse, of setting loose the duties upon im ports and exports, and upon tonnage, he considered as a violation of the 'Parliamentary faith, and an undue compliment paid to persons assuming the title of the shipping interest, wising remonstrances were founded . r. a selfish and narrow policy, although the whole of the duties upon Tonnage scarcely amount ed to sixty thousand pounds. The Duke of MONTROSE defended the con dua of Administration, and tl:e principles on which t2fry had grounded the amendments they had pro posed to the plan of Finance, as introduced by the late Chancellor of Exchequer (Lord H. Petty.) Lord SIDMOUTH entered at some length into an explanation and defence of the principles on which his plans of Finance had ly - 411 formed, and proved their beneficial and produaive results. The increased produce of the - Taxes, which had been imposed within thii::.en months, now amounted to not les. than fourteen millions ster ling. The foundation of this produdive sys tem, had been laid by that great and immor tal statesman, Mr. Pitt; but it was found that the raising of supplies, according to the old mode of taxation, had nearly re shed its conclusion; and even some of those which had been imposed during the latter period of Mr. Pitt's Administration, had fallen much , hort of their estimated produce. The new Financial System, introduced by the Noble Lord, (H. Petty), the late Chancellor of the Ex. chequer, was, therefore. highly commendable ; and he must seriously caution His Majesty's present Ministers to beware how they interfered with, or counteraied, the plan which had been introduced. The taxes upon smports and exports, and upon manage, were those proposed to be withdrawn from the number of the war taxes to be pledged as a security to the loanholders for the ensuing twenty yeas; it was hue, a sufficiently ample security from other war taxes would still remain ; at the same time, he thoocht it more advisable, twat even this nominal ...cum , / should not bit with-held from those who had advanced their money upon stipulations en tered into with the Chancellor of the Exchequer, and upon the faith of Parliament. Lord KINNAIft 1) disapproved of all the com plimentary language which had been held by the Noble Viscount towards the present Administration, robating as he did their condue in coming into office, and the proceedings which had marked the commencement of their Ministerial career. • •.• r• i. v.. ••• r • .4" ,••h..•• prineirles and measures of His Istisk% presert• Ministers, 'and particularly. with Wiped to the amendment of the finintial measure, as el i:Tinally brought lo*ard by ele late Chancellor of the chequer. He considered die Noble Lord who ha A spoken let, al hiving pi odatcd no argument what ever, in proof of his general attack up'm Ministers. Lord GRENVILLE began by defending the Noble Lord (Kinnaird) from the at tat k which hail been made upon him. He then entered into the cubic& by remarking, th it the means of taxation, according to the old and ordinary modes, had become almost exhausted. The late Adminis. nation, upon entering into office, had by no means got upon a Geri r;f - rotes; the difficulties which they had to encotsnter were great and various, and particularly with regard to the most eligible mode to be adopted to raise the necessary supplies, and in the most advantageous manner, for the increased expenses of the war establishment. It was thetefore the effect of ne cessity rather than of choice, that this new system of finance had been intradneed ; it was a measure which had been maturely deli'derated upon, and which, he was firmly persuaded, was essential to the salvation of the country. By means of the proposed measure, the War Taxes were to be in creased from six to fourteen millions. The new system of Finance was formed upon the principle of a revolving series, by means of which, the War Taxes were to be paid off within a certain period. Rat he must objet to the alterations in this system, which had been lately brought forward by the present Ministers, viewing, as he did, the pro posed alterations, to amount to a breach of faith with the public creditors. His Lordship then touched upon the circumstances whii•li had occasioned the late change in Ills l'Sl.4j:sty's Counsels, and particularly adverted to the cir cumstance of a certain Noble Earl ( Westmoie land) having proposed from the Throne, to the Irish Parliament, the bestowing of large privileges upon the Roman Catholics of that Country, and yet now joining in an Administration formed upon the express principle of refusing any farther concession. to the Catholics. 'I his caled up The Earl of WES 0101:ELAND, who stated, that in 1;9."., he had proposed to the Irish Parlia- Mew the abolition of certain penal statutes, as well as rendering them eligible to civil situations and employments, (42 exceptions,) besides military em p!eyments, excepting Generals on the Staff ; but that he had never countenanced a measure similar to that which His Majesty's late Ministers had brought forward. Lord 1-LARROWBY, adverting to the immediate subject of the financial system introduced by the late Chancellor of the Exchequer, maintained the right of Parliament to agree to, or disagree from, any stipulations entered into between the Chancellor of the Exchequer and the Contradors of the Loan, for any loan for the year ; and more especially when a new system was entered into, professing to mort gage the War Taxes, and to bind all parties for the space of twenty years. The only fault he had to find with the amended Bill was, that it did not go tar enough; tor, its his opinion, Parliament ought not to commit themselves to any pledge to the public creditor, for more Lii%Z.,..3 than were sufficient to secure the interest of the Loan. Lords GRENVILLE and lIARROWBV each spoke in explanation. Lord HAWKE:SUM'? said, that although he feat serious objedions to tits financial measure. yet he should not object to the Bill's going through Parliament for the present yea!, Uu,ti g that it would still remain open to the future and deliberate examination of Parli on and that the opioloi,s which other persons might be inclined to utter the suhjett, would meet with due attention. Fre e st the collision of such sentiments, he trusted that they %%mild be better able to form an opinion as to the measures most proper to be adopted. Ile denied that there was any breach of faith with the pubiic creditor, although the duties upon exports And im ports, and upon tonnage, were excluued from thus! War Taxes mortgaged for twenty years. Ihe most that could be advanced was, that the contraaor had a diminished security, but that remainitg security was amply sufficient. He also denied, that the faith of Parliament was, in any measure, pledged to abide at all events by any proposal entered into between the Chancellor of the Exchequer, and the Contractors of the Loan, ' so as to preclude all examivation and discussion in that House of Parliament. He considered that it was, in itself, a step, rash and improvident, that the duties upon tonnage, and upon exports and imports, should be mortgaged and pledged to the Loan Contradors. The duty upon tonnage, in particular, was originally and professedly imposed by the late Mr. limas a mere temporary war tax, in order to pay for the expenses of convoys. The ship-owners had therefore telt themselves aggrieved, when they found this war tax was to be continued after the conclusion of peace. For his own part, he approved of the system of our Naviga tion Laws, to which we were indebted for much of our naval superiority ; and he considered it I therefore unwise to submit to a relaxation of that ..systeass. He denied what had fallen from the Noble Lord (Grenville) that the opposition to the late Ministers' measures respelling the Roman Ca tholics hair arisen from clamour ; on the contrary, he believed this opposition to be the result of sound political good sense ; and that a great majority of the people of this country had disapproved of the measures adopted, and in contemplation, by that Noble Lord and his colleagues, for making farther and farther concessions to the Roman Catholics. use f.arl of LAUDERDALE condemned the novel argument which had been introduced by the Noble Lord, that Loan Contra&ors were to look to the subsequent deliberations of the House of Lords, as a guide to tl.cm in making their Loans wilt. Go vernment. TLe Noble Lords had not forgotten the circum,tance of the late Mr. Pitt being under the necessity cf making a 'mind Loan within the year, and that lie felt himself bound to central with Boyd and Co., although upon terms more disad vantageous to his country; and that in consequence of his faith being pledged to these gentlemen, in case he should be obliged to make another contrail within the yea. Tne Noble Lord proceeded also to deny the charge, Insinuating that any ism“, ..i.soypd by the late Ministry. This, With other chifltes. equally Me, *I to Ole late Bill brought in on behalf at :Ile Inman CnthA• tics, had drifted, it was true, a twelent teinfrlPT charm*. But he airealy charged die prermt Ministry with exciting these clamours. and ;lour cirlarly at Northampton. where the present Chan cellor of the Exclieti,r had ode!: ssed his Constitu• eats. intimating the loss he had sustained in conse quence of his adherence to the interrrs of the Pro testant Church, and his rel ni his profession, to accept of the office he now holds. It was, in fad', the present Ministry who had excited the clamour of danger to the Protestant Establishment. In- II handbills had also been put into circa- Utica) lot the same purpose ; he could not help tom• paring these proceedings with those outrageous ones which had taktn place under the guidance and influence of Lord George Gordon. He must. however, be permitted to say, that the principles on which the late Ministry had gone out of office, were such as chewed their regard for the Constitution of their country, and a respell to the religious opinions of others, which would ever do them honour. The Earl of BUCKINGHAMSHIRE rose for the purpose of defending the conduEt of the Noble Ein I ( VN•estniortland) when he was Laid Lieutenant of Ireland, (tam the charge s.l,ich had been brought againq him by the Noble Lord (Grenville ) lie deided also that any appeal had been made to the mob by the present Mini-ters ; but he would as sure those Noble Lords who had brought forward this charge, that whenever, or by whcm• soever, any attempt should be made to carry the measure of Catholic concession beyond what had already been done, and to alter its present basis, that Noble Lords w.:uld not be found wanting, in Parliament, to oppose it ; and so also would the country at large. With regard to the present amendment, it was no breach of the public faith ; the contrallors themselves had never made such a complaint ; and he was the more confirmed in his assertion, because, on the contrary supposition, the Noble Lord (Grenville) would, doubtless, have de clared his intention of vo;ing against the Amend. meet. Lord GRENVILLE, in explanation, said, that the Noble Earl, (Westmoreland), when Lord Lieu tenant of Ireland, had recommended, from the Throne, to open the way for the admission of Bo man Catholics, to every Civil Office in Ireland, (42 excepted), and to all Commissions in the Army, with the exception of Generals on the Staff; and having done so, the Noble Earl and hi: Friends had no right to charge him and his late colleagues in office with an attempt to undermine the Protestant Esta blishment of the Country. Earl of BUCKINGHAMSHIRE explained what had passed in the Parliament of Ireland, in 1799. The late measure which had been attempted to be carried through both Houses, went much farther than that which was proposed to the Parliament of Ireland. The measure lately brought forward, was introduced upon limited grounds, but in its progress shifted its aspe.ft, pad appeared to go to an unli mited extent. Earl SPENCER cnrnplained, that very rndue means had been rented to, in older to raise a clamour amongst tla. mob. The Riglit Honour able Gentleman (Mr. Perceval) in his address to his Constituents at Northampton, had used lan guage tending to create a false alarm for the safety of the Protestant Constitution. In consequence of this, the Noble Earl said, that when he was at Northampt,n, in the course of last week, he found the town filled with hand-bilk, and the prvle's minds inf l trnrd with the wo,t. sillcnt party c:;,.tests. o.re of those hand-bills had the,e words for its running title : Popery, or no Popery ? 1:1 - it is the question."--Other information 11.-‘d r•a:hed hint roi this subjeft, and which, on a future occssi he should niore particularly men:ion to the Hons-. L•>rd HARROWBY explaine3, and defended the condi:it of the Right Hon. Gmtbanan ( Mr. Perceval), who in that House had not th : p lwer of defending himself. 'flint 'tight Iloa. Gantleman had not attempted to raise a senseless el inaour, but had sounded a well-founded alarm ; and is must surely be allowed him, as wall as uthns, to aft agreeably to his soundest judgment. Lord HOLLAND contrasted the conduit of some of the present Ministers, who had formerly encou raged the Catholic claims, with their recent conduit in opposing them. He lamented that there had been also Unlit' religious charaaers who had actively stood forward to excite this clamour. The Noble Lord proceeded to animadvert on the conduit of those who assumed the title of tithe shipping inte rest." and who would have sacrificed the national policy to theit own selfish interests. 11., considered this amended Bill as being neither more nor less than passing a compliment to the prejudice: 01 a few of these ship owners. His Lordthip then pro( eedeJ to condemn the conduit of the present Ministry, who had bad recourse to misrepresentation and cla mour, on the subjeft of the late Bill. Lord HA RHO WM; and Earl SPENCER seve rally said a few words in explanation ; after the House, without a division, went into a Committee on the Bill, and having gone through and agreed to the several clauses, the House was resumed, and the Report received. Adjourned at 12 o'clock. , HOUSE OF COMMONS. Sir Vieary Gibbs and the . Hon. Augustus Dillon, took the oaths and their seats. The Folkestone Harbour improre..ent Bill was react a second time, and ordered to be com mitted. Lnrd Porchester presented a Report front the Westminster Committee, stating, that they bad met this dap, pursuant to adjournment, hut had been under the necessity of again adjourning, on account of the absence, through indisposition, of John Colclough, Esq. Dr. Willows verified the circumstance of Mr. Colclough's indisposition, and said, that he thought the state of his health was such as to require the use of the Bath waters. Mr. Ciikh ugh WAS accordingly excused from further attendance nn said Comtuttee. A tlittiaion tool place on the2d reading , of the Barnwell limlostne Bill. which aided in favour of he Master of the Roils ptesented a R titirn from ••••• .• • Ir•W • rifa • . . Endsle then% to tiorclasse tlio Lansdowaflak, ,it Mannscrirt. • On the rttltioa of the CHANCELLOR of 11, : EXCHEQUER, it was ordered to be referred Commititie. Mr. PARNELL po s tponed his Irish Floancial Resolutions to this day se'nnight. A new Writ was ordered for the County of in the roorri nt John Foster. Esq. w!.o, liner hi t eleetion. has accepted the dice of Chancellor of the Lechequir for Ireland. Mr. Bankei; postponed the Committal of the R t . version Bill till to-morrow. toraisitait. Mr. LIPIHINGTON rose to pot a queu , ' .c a Noble Lord opposite, as to the adiral ore of rr, ' . Presidency of Madras. In consequence of some if: telligenee from that quarter, rumours had been s i r . culated as to there having been a general disturbance throughout our Madras FOtablishment, the foonth. lion of which reports he wished to hear stated; as he thought it was proper, that if no such chum -h ence had existe they should he contraditeel publicly as possible, in order that no ueurce....; alarm might be excited Lord CASTLEREAGH assured the Homo,. able Gentleman, that re , disturbance had exist . treat the State of the !'residency, elthreigh the. h.td been rumours of some commte.:.oes :c Son/loin pert of the Peniroula. . The Reports ot the Committees of Supply, ;le t \trays and Means, were severally brought sip, read, agreed to, and Bills ordered to be brought ;Lo go cordingli. The Committal of the Smuggling Bill was pogo paned till to-morrow. Mr.BANK ES moved, ^ That there be laid before the House a Copy of all such Regulations as have been made for the better arrangement and preserva tion of the lb ;till Museurri, and for the better 'sem tion of the duties ot persons therein employed, and for Riving mole ready admission to strangers, leerae ed pet sons, arid musts, together With an account of the number of persons admitted to visit the ii:eish Mus..um, since the 9th of February, leos (tee date of the last reurn), to the present tine."—Ordr.cd. General Fl W.PA FRICK brought up a fro the better regulation of Otti:ers upon the Commis. lariat List. This Bill met with the unqualified tap. port of the present Secretary at War; was reed first, and ordered to be read a second time this day se'nnight, and to be printed. On the motion of Mr. HOBHOUSE. the House went into a Committee on the A@ relative to Salt ; and in the Committee he moved a Resolution, ;he a further allowance of 2s. per il , t.hel be made ?TA Salt used for making mursatic acid, in S.-mislaid. This was agreed to ; and on the House resuanup, the Report was ordered to be received to-morrow. The Customs Ball was postponed to this day nigh t. CALICO PRINTERS' BILL. Mr. SliEltll)AN moved the second reading of this Loll. Sir R. PEELE objedled to it strongly. He saiet. it was of a most mischievous tendency ; and in of _:I jefling to its passing, he professed himself to be much a friend of the journeymen calico-printers S, any man could be. He himself, and other mast : ' printers, had done much in their behalf; and 1i thought the Right Honourable Gentleman bad bee mile)? Weird. to ever having taken up this business The journeymen printers had, ot all other inen.k . most reasirn to be satisfied. It wool/ tend to excite illegal combinations, and would induce masters to withdraw themselves to other toutories, where their business could be carried on without restraint, and their capital protefted. Ile moved, as an amend. mot, " That it be read this day three months." Mr. JACOB spoke also very strongly against the Bill. He said that manufeelicres and commerce were the great supports of this country, and that the prosperity of the former would tend to be greatly injured. The export of our manufatbures amounted, some years ago, to one million annually, but now exceeded 9,7.50,0001 being one-third of the whole export trade of the country. The Journey men Printers at present received on an average i 5 shillings per week, which he thought very ample payment. Isle. PETER MOORE supported the Bill in his usual style of eloquence. He thought that it ought to be one of the first considerations in every country. that all classes of subjeds should have employment given them. The Journeymen Calico Printers . stood in a very different situation, on accoutre or the great numbers of apprentices, who, when they had finished their apprenticeships, did not acquire those rights. The Hon. Mr. ERSKINE, with a considerable deal of wit, deprecated the Bill; as he was con vinced it would have a most mischievous tendency. There could be no combination but what the Law could already reach. The Bill seemed to have its wrong end foremost. Was the House to segment the wages of journeymen, merely because they had become so numerous? or were they to exclude all others from entering into the trade, in order to prevent such numbers ? The same thing might be said of the profession of the law, to which such numbers belonged. Mr. SHERIDAN, with his wonted bosom supported the Bill he bad brought in, and replied to all the arguments which had been used against it. and particularly those of the Right Honoetosle Learned Gentleman who spoke last. lie win!- him to know, that the law could not be prarftised boys and girls ; but, it it could be so, be VG" 5U. ' there would be a terrible clamour amongst tb. - grown.up barristers. The first duty of any country was to provide employment for its vigorous popula tion. Was it just that those who had served long apprenticeships to a trade, and who, perhaps. tinder' stood nothing else, should be told, that they could s e: 9.. a week as day labourers. It was ruining el. lower population of the country, and it was turnia.; them loose upon the country. In one house ir. Lancashire. he knew that there were no less thal O: apprentices employed, and only one journeyman They had applied for redress so long ago as ISO. but had never yet got redress. He should wish th'. House to allow the Bill to go into a Committee, one , to see what ohjedions really existed to it, as Ii thought they did not sufficiently understand it.- The Right Hon. Gentleman neat alluded to ft length of time the apprentices were obliged to set` le • •