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would be gained more than the shifting ofa burden from one set of shoulders to another, perhaps still less capable of bearing it. Viewing the sub.. jeer in this way, he most say that he would rather vnted for the continuance. unless the Right lion. Gentleman could relieve the House from any -- • - *sir the 11K01 . abont to be repeated. The •Marquis of LONDONDBIRRY thsloght that it _ . . sot topics iothigh :were offered in the discussion. Hari : be Asensio the House on the night ,of the Hon. Member's motion, he would have felt it to he Mit duty to state the strong reasons which be eenceiserl ought to have induced the House and the Coverament still to uphOld an very nuiterial a branch of she 'avenge. But taking into consi titration the lovelier circumstances of the country, file very pressing difficulties under which agricul ture was admitted to labour at present, he was con tent to let the measure pass according to the appa rent tochustion of the House, as far as it hail been a-slimmed on the subject. The repeal of the tax might or might not bring relief to those whom it was intended to benefit. He dud not see how it could materially alter their condition, but at any rote it would be a measure of sympathy to prove that the disposition of the Legislature lil•them to incur a small risk on behalf of the tinotreeo, rather than withhold any measure of relief which contained even a probable benefit to the country large and agriculture, that most im pertain interest in pertiewlar. lie was anxious, therefore...that the propored boon should be con ceded to the pablic expectation. Ministers would inake tin lurther 'niggle on the subject, all their de sae would be that the gift should he made with that " l ust of warmth of feeling which was likely to secure the most grateful ree.eptimi by the public. He odinnteil rind he hail learnt particulars respecting the agricultural interest in attending on the Com mittee, where he had been frequently, which proved that their ease required particular consideration from Porlsameot, and winch would of themselves be so& 'sent justidration to the Parliament for abandoning Otis tax; at the Lone time the deliberations of that i`omruittee were not sufficiently advanced to givethe House :soy grounds of inducement to uudritake the relief of that roost useful mid important branch of the national interests; and therefore, in agree ing to the repeal of this tax, they were by no means throwing themselves in contact with the measures of that Committer, nor thwarting in prospect any measures of relief which it might be in their power to propose, being also ht for_the wisdom and pru dence of the Legislature to adopt. lie believed it to be the desire of all parties, on whatever ride they ringed themselves in polities, to apply r e lief, as f ar as possible, to the exisiing difficulties, and ender von► to open the eyes of the country to that great ruhject, with the view of deterniiiiiiig oltimaattly on the best method of settling it. If the lessen ing of the tax could convey any gratification, however momentary to the. country, and show at the ►ame time The desire of Parliament to remit the burdens of the people, it must be a greet coasolutina to the House to be able to we'll fest such u disposition to benefit the public as far as a sense of public duty would permit. As to any measure of compensation, if the withdrawing of tlia tax ► h ould rove detrimental to the finances, and threaten injury to the public credit, he could not consider his Right Hon. 'Friend as being pre laded from bringing forward something instead of it. At the same time it would be highly gratifying to the Gove►nment if the boon could be conceded lo th e public without any events's! addition to tue existing taxes. He must beg leave to say, chat its the measure had not originated with &h -amsters, yet, us he undertook to assure the House that by the next Session the utmost rigour of economy and retrenchment would be enforced in all the expenditure, if it should be found ne cessary to do something more to repluce public credit ou that high standard on which it had been placed, and ought to be kept, and from which it might then be in some measure fallen, he hoped that it would be remembered that a tax had been igiven up in deference to the ent►eaties of the pub lic, which tt might then be necessary for the pub lic credit and the welfare of the country to re place. He expressed his v.opes, however, that no compensation for the loss of the tax would be found necessary. Mr. BARING said, that the credit of the country roust stiffer severely, and tied already been strongly effected by the steps taken towards the repeal of the tux. Ile hmwd that the (louse was never Again to hear that nothing wss ceded to agriculture ; l►e hoped also that the Chancellor of the Exche quer had not been influenced in his conduct on .the ',resent occasion by the threats held out from his friends to support the proposition to be sub mitted to-morrow by the lion. Member for Aber deen ; he hoped also that those who hail praised his Ron. Friend would follow up their encomiums by attending to-morrow night and giving their eepport to his motion—for if there were to be no reductions made on the amouut of the money which mks allowed to be spent, it was perfectly mischievous to deny the means which ought to sup ply those expeosi , s. Ile suspected that the Right Hun. Gentleman had brought the present difficulty upon himself by sits too great boasting, about the prosperous state of the revenue, and his assumption that there wa• an of sinking fund, when in fact no such futid existed. This was in the m att _ oar of persons who made great boast of their wealth and poinetistotts, by which they were very apt to dime thieves to make an attack on them.— / Laughter.) The Marquis of LONDONDIIRRY said, that the natural tendency of such lanzuage must be to pre vent auy Minister from ever consenting to the re mission of a tax in future.—( floor, hear.) Colonel Woo° wished for a clause to bring with. in the range of the Bull nut oi.ly email farmers at present exclnded, but also the poor owner. of mules, which were employed lA . bringing down mend ore from the Welst► ntallbeatets. The duty lend already been reduced ou *roe animals from -t7s. 6d. to 3%; but the latter flay had been con tinued far two years. The 841 would give these parties no rellot; •aa it only egteuded at present to cattle engaged in agriculture. Mr. S. WORTLZII would have voted for the re peal of the toe had le been preemie, but Ile could toot agree that in that case he would have been bound powistendy to sopport the propoliuose of L. the Hon. *ember fer Aberdeeo. his confidence to .111isi0ere saw nothing iu this *town ter it to the olipsailo bowl conviction that the loss si by ec000m: and that hie lion. Col; pond. capacity Oot k.._ lesgwe spoke for himself, or in a t. 6t muse about him. In justice to bur . he admitted that he (Mr. S. Wortley) ,was .not hotrod to support the Hon. Member for Aberdeen, bathe must be allowed to say that those who hod de clared that his Hon. Friend "'bad done much good," were bound to iupport his propositions. Had they been as willing to assist him by their votes earlier iu the Session as they were at the ekes of it to ap pleud him, they would not have had to lament that all his assiduity had terminated, fur the present at least, in unproductive motions. He did not agree, with the Hon. Member for Taunton, who considered the remittance of this tax as an inconsiderable trifle. Though it was but a reduction of half a million, it would at least produce half a million's worth of economy. The credit of the country would be put in no danger by the repeal of the tax. If any other were to be asleatituted be could consider it as no boon at all. He argued with those who considered the measure valuable to the feelings and character of the House. No doubt it would also prove highly valuable for the present to agriculture, as the whole of the mosey would setwaiu in the pockets of the farmer.. When circumstances should have rendered the equalization of capital more complete. it would ultimately prove generally advantageous to the coulitry. With respect to the motion which lie had intended to submit upon the subject of another tax, he expected no success, and would therefore nit move it for the prevent. He hoped it would nut be said after this that the agricultural interest was not sufficieutly represent ed. if .any of these trifliug refrains which had been anticipant' in the constitution of that House were to take place, he hoped that no demands would be urged fur strengthening the agricultural interest among them ; fur the repeal of thts tax, under all the circourstauces of the country, proved that in that House at least the case of the agricul turists could admit of no utnendnient. He would now put it to those country Gentlemen who had suc ceeded in acquiring this boon for agticulture, if it would not be necessary to sheer to the manufacturing interests; by some boon in next Session. that they . were no less objects of the care of Parliament. With respect to that manufacture which prevailed chiefly ht his county, as it had been, though per- Imps unwisely, fostered by successive administrations during the lapse of centuries. so he thought that something should be done to prevent its present rapid . decline. As to the repeal of the horse tax, he hoped the gratitude of the country would he di rected to the right (punter, which was by no means that of Ministers, but that of the Member for Cumberland and the rest of his Hon. Friends. Ile hoped that Ministers would seek the compensation_ for the absence of the tax in measures of economy. Mr. GOOCH admitted that he had said the lion. Member for Aberdeen had done inuch good, and he would have thought a similar compliment due to any other Member, who had used the same industry in searching out :errors and abuses, and finding out fit occasions for abe introduction - a retrenchment in the public •ex'iiis. He did not think, how. ever, that the Noble Lord diliosite was justified in catechising I upon Ills ()Milton* and smertions as he had of late done; dud lie must tell the Noble Lord, that not all the blood of all the Fitzwilliams could make him alter his notions as to the conduct of Ministers. rod on public questions generally. He concluded by cougmtulsting the House and the country on the remiuiou of the tax. Mr. LOCKHART said that the repeal was not to be considered ■s a boon or concession, but AS a re laxation of a tax which was abs Mutely necessary, because the payers were not likely to remain longer in a condition to pay that or any other tax. The mercantile and agriculturul interests were insepa rably invoiced, and any thing given to the latter must benefit the former. Mr. CRIPPd thought that the only question left (which was fitter fur the decision of the Committee) war, whether the tax should he repealed at this or a future time. The expenses having been voted for the year, he thought Gentlemen who had granted them could not very gracefully withhold the means. In justice to all parties, he thought that the repeal of the tax froott he sth of April next we, all that could be expected. One quarter had already very nearly ex pired, and with due reference to the services for the year, end the support of public credit, he could not see the propriety of repealuig the tux before the next sth of April, unless indeed they could have assu raures from Ministers that the revenue would not be materially affected by the instant repeal. Mr. PREL differed from all who had supported this measure, because it went to impair public credit, and iii that case the landed and all oilier interests must suffer from it ; still more did he differ from those who were ready to seek a similar boon on behalf of the manufacturers. lie could not confide in any repeal of taxes which went to lower public credit, Under the present circum stances of the country, and especially while a vast change was working itt the corer ocrofthe country. considering also that be bad supported the esti matey, and how much was wanting to pay the Us ferret of the public debt, he could not approve of the repeal of this tax. Sir C. Stiltlit:LL expressed regret land surprise that the arguments of the former night should have been renewed Ly the Right Hun. Gentlrina!). He anticipated great benefit to agriculture and the country front the remission of the tax ; it would relieve the land. least capable of bearing such a bur den from u grievous weight. Ile begged the House to reflect on the great investments of capital which had been made in agriculture and euclosures during the war, which had 1111V.r41 the country at that time front starvation, and ought now to be upheld by the wisdom and care of Parlitaineid. M►. P66L maintained his right to speak as he had done. m a tone of unquestionable moderation, on a measure to which he felt what he conceived to be most reamnable and well-founded ohjeCtions. Mr. GRENFILL wished to learn frusta the Chan cellor of the Exchequer how he meant, after the lose of the tax, imuunting to half a million. to square the receipts with the expenditure. He bad Ato,weat hope Siv*Ofects of ecosioiwy. He wished :- 'L_ however, if it .would tend to reduce the be laid out for 'Jarchow, towards the Ned ? Walk] it, in slier!, lessen the by the Commissioners for purchatiog towards the reduction of the National Debt ? 1111 NZWPORT thought that the question - - r espeaditure for the year.was filed upon, and uo new taxes could now he asked, as the Session was too far. advanced for the passiug of any newness.. sere of taxation. Mr. Geenrxta. repeated the question which he had before put. The CHANCELLOw of the EXCHEQUER gave a simple negative to the question of the Hon. Gentle nton, because any reduction of the public income most fall in the gross on the Consolidated Fund, and not on any particular branch of the finances. 'Secondly, the deficiency, whatever might lie its amount, would not fall out in the present year. The assessments of those taxes were made half yearly ; the taxes were collected half-yearly, and a considerable lapse of tine would occur before the receipt of them in any case, iiisocanch that.the de ficiency could not be felt if the tax were ittirnedi itchy repealed, before the sth April next year. It would operate no effect, therefore, on the manage ment of the Sinking Fund. The only consequence that could result would-be some trilling addition, which must he made to the amount of untet andin Exchequer bills. As to the time for fixing the re peal, as there was one quarter past nearly, he would prefer that it should be repealed either flout the 5111 of last April or of April in next year. He agreed in the necessity for extending the benefit of the measure to attain farms, and he thought that those ,who had compounded their assessed taxes ought to derive their fair share of the benefit. . Mr. Cuawaw thought that all the difficulties would begot rid of by a clause for a new assess ment, and leave all persons entitled to exceptions to melte their claims accordingly. He wished to give immediate effect to the spirit of conciliation and kindness 'hewn by Ministers, and as any delay would damp the feelings of the country upon the subject, be Itropesed that the Rill should go into immediate effect, or the repeal be dated front the sth of April lust. Colonel Wools said a few words. The Marquis of Loutronueattir hoped that no attempt would -be made by special pleading to destroy a great parliamentary principle, and that subterfuges would not be.tesorted to fur the pur pose of etfectitig that which could not be accom plished openly. He hoped that as the assessments were in charge, the Howse would allow them to be properly collected, and not leave • .portion of the tax preSsing heavily on those who were tw least able to *offer it. After a few words more from Mr. CURIVEN, Ilse Marquis of LONDONDERRY, and Mr. St:ARLETT, the or i derof the Day for the House resolving itself into u Committee on the Bill was read. • Aar. Cuawss moved that the Speaker do now leave the Cltair. gr. S. WORTLEY wished to know if his. Noble Friend intended to urge his motion respecting the repeal of the wool tax ? Lord MILTON declined it, as be could only anti cipate a fruitless dehate. IVORTLEY wished that the Government would look into that tax, which added nothing to the revenue, and acted as a prohibition to the export woollen trade. Mr. CunwEN said, that if the !tight Hon. Gentleman would consent to take one quarter and leave the rest, lie (Mr. Curwen) would give up the Bill to the conduct of Ministers. The CHANCELLOR of the Elcuaraucaaaid, that as there was nu alternative left to him 'he must consent to the terms. Mr. Cu WEN did tint wish to press the matter in so ungracious a way as the Right Hon. Gentleman Seemed to minnow. After the handsome manner in which the Noble Lord had conceded the point, lie Mt really anxious that Ministers should have the entire credit of the repeal of this tax. Mr. BROUGIIASI rose to vindicate Ministers from the attack of his Hou. Friend, the future Chancellor of the Exchequer, to whom they all looked up with so much earnestness. He con tended that there were no thanks due to Ministers. The boon, such as it was, had been wrung from them. It was the boon of himself and his Hon. Friends who had voted in favour of it. Ilr did not concur either with those who thought lightly of it, or with the Right Hon. Member for Oxford, who thought that it would be injurious to public credit. It would only lop off half a million of useless expenses, for there could be no doubt that Ministers would do as they had done on a former occasion, when they had produced what they declared to be the lowest possible estimates, and the House cut off their meats by several million►, they took hack the estimates, and nettle diminu tions corresponding to the taxes which were taken from them. The Committee was ordered for Wednesday next. COURTS OF JUSTICE (IRELAND). Mr. S. Rico moved bleat the order be mad for the House ►esolvin itself into a Committee to consider of the Ninth Report of Commissioners of Judicial Inquiry into the Courts of Ireland. The Marquis or LONDONDERRY rose to request the Hon. Member to delay the motion. The pa pers winch contained the counter-statement to that of the Report had been received so very recently that his Majesty's Ministers had bad nu time for per time% theta. In an inquiry involving such se. nous consequences, postponement was necessary, until et least the House could be put in possession of all that could be advanced on either vide in the way of information. Mr. S. Ittcfi was by no means anxious so press the inquiry until the House were possessed of all possible preliminary information, but he thought that lie. had made enough concesssioo, mid given the longest possible latitude of time for that purpose.— He thought that the 'reins which lie had taken to give effect to his notice, so that all parties likely to be in any degree affected by his motion might be duly warned, ought to have sufficed. if more time were absolutely necessary lie could only con. sent to the delay on condition that it should not come so hear to the end of the Session as to make the discussion abortive. The attendance of the Right lion. Member for Waterford he considered as indispensable. His Right Hon. Friend would be compelled le leave town in a few dry., and he tierdeen. Haviec sizes to know, hi u jut 40.40Mita lime, he amount to jodnee. bun to trans- Sinking Fi He entotneed his means held t fax ISOM . b&made -stock tartar it no compensation would Sir JOHN would cement to no delay which would ezelude the House from the advantage or his talents in the discussion. A► all events. be must take cam to guard himself against being misunderstood. If postponement took place so as to render his notice unavailing, he roust declare that it had hi-en t - --- r o one request o that nature from an _on. Member then present, and now by the Noble Marquis uppo -site. His Right Hon. Friend the Member for Wa terford had held out some hope to him that he would @lieu& us late us Thursday. If it were pos sible for the Noble Marquis to agree to that dry, it would be very desirable. If not, he hoped that the next day would be the latest period proposed. The Marquis of LONDONDERRY did not in the least question the purity of the motives which guided the conduct of the Hon. Member. He thought, however, that considering the importance of the case in every way, Friday next could not be considered as a very distant period. Sir J. NEWPORT was so circumstanced that he could not stay beyond the week. He thought that the Howie might inform itself of all necessary par ticulars by Friday. He admitted that the grave nature of the subject, which went to affect the cha racter of a Learned Judge lit a most serious roomier, ought not to be undertak,en without very perfect intormation being had oils' the subject. But he thought that as the Report had been some time be fore Parliament, and the counter-statement had arrived, the discussion might fairly proceed on Friday next. Mr. C. WYNN saw a very great evil in postpon ing a grave charge on an individual in a high station, and suffering that charge to lie on the table unanswered until the ensuing Session ; it was purticulorly objectiondile to have a great petsou presiding in • Court of Justice, at a time when • charge of extortion was lying unanswered a„ shaft him; such a delay must be a great evil to him, as well its the public; decision was in every way de sirable; the House was bound to sacrifice almost every other discussion for the sake of it. It might turn nut that there were no sufficient grounds for the charge. The benefit would be incalculable to the individual in question were that to be their decision ; out the contrary, if grounds were to be laid by the inquiry for ulterior proceed ings, though they could not approach to a final judgineut, it might he necess try to suspend the lunctions of the Judge until • d ec i s i on cou ld b e tinidly given. In that case it would require a lit tle time to pass a Bill through the House of Lords, and the discussion could not come GO too soon. S. RICE fluid that he could not consent to wait beyond Friday. He had taken the utmost pains, by possessing 51inisters and another party with the resolutions he had to move, to point out the course which he meant to pursue. If there were any other means by which it was possible to give more notoriety to it, he was very willing to adopt them ; but he once for all wished to rid him self of any blame which might result from delay. Mr. O'GRADY acquirsotd in the declarations which had been made against delay. It was not the fault of the Chief Baron that any delay had taken place iii laying his observations tot the table. The very moment he could get hold of the Report, he hurl put down, notwithstauding the hurry of pub lic business, in a distant country town, to draw up those observations. He did not believe that any blame as to delay could be attributed either here or oil the other aide of the water. lie admitted that the Hon. Member had postponed this qnestion once before at his solicitation ; his reason for making that re nest was, that the communica tionbil from the .. 'hid Baron had been absolutely forwarded at t time, and lie considered that the discussion cowittiot possibly take place except it were laid befortAse House, li had been dispatched with all possible:speed from Ireland. The Hon. Member had postponed his motion in consequence till that day. The only objection now existing was that the Noble Marquis and the Right Hon. Gen tlemen opposite had not read the Chief Baroo's answer to the allegations against him in the 9th Re port. The Resolutions to be proposed were to be groutidad nn that Report, oil which they must either stand or fall. These were the only reasons for postponing the discussion, for which no man could be more anxious than himself, or more Tear lessly look forward to the decision. !Fir. SCARLET(' said a few words, and the Com mitiee was postponed till Finlay next. GRANT TO THE DUKE OF CLARENCE. The Marquis of LOODONDIdaRY moved the order of the day for trim% into consideration the Grant to the Duke of Clarence. Mr. HOME rose to state his objections to the mo tion. Referring to the lust settlements w hick had been made on the Royal Family, lie reminded the House that 11 general agreement had heels adopted, that 24,0001. a-year ought to be the full amount of any allowances to be made to the junior brsuchrs of the Itityal Family. He thought that if ever thew was a time which peculiarly required it, the present situation of the country demanded that limits *Wald be set to those allowances. The 'Duke of Clarence had the conditions then offered. The other Princes had accepted them. Consider ing the liberality of Parliament in snaking those grunts, and that there were 90,0001. of the Eng. bah and upwards of 50,0001. of the Irish Civil List placed at the disposal of the Crown, to grant iu whatever pensions it ',leased, lie thought that any allowance beyond that lorinetly fixed by Par liament ought to be made out of one or other of these lands. He would propose, as an amendment, that, Instead of 6,000/. there should be only 3,5001. granted in addition to the 20,500/. al ready granted to make up 24,0001. to be taken wit of the Oonsolidated Fund lot his Royal High ness the Doke of Clarence; and if it were advisable to make hint any further allowance, Ministers might recommend it to be made nut of the provisions of the English or Irish Civil List, from the latter of which the additioual allowance of 7,8001. to the Duke of York had been made. He concluded by snoring • Resolution, by way of amendment, to the purport of his speech. The Marquis of LONDONDERRY said, that grants were formerly made out of the Civil List to the Royal Family ; but the custom had been long dis continued, from a feeling that it was better for the country that so mooch werrniment revenue should not be left at the continued disputal of the Crown. Had the allowance to the Duke of Clarence ',e.ta • ....•- -....1111/__ - added to the charges of the Civil List, it would have placed so much at the permanent disponi of the Crown, whether the Duke had lived or died: He put it to the candour of the Hon. Gentleman if it would be fair to press hi. amendment, and he did really believe that the Hon. Member would either w►tisdoew-i►irwaliwe. or vote against it. Sir 1. CoPIIN meant to support the original motion, because he owed alt that he possessed to the friendship of the Duke of Clarence. He had served with his Royal Highness in peace and war, and since the time of Charles 11. no one had better fulfilled the duties of his rank. He had smelt powder early ; had been, when a very little boy, in the action off the Dogger Bank ; afterwards served under Digbv ; then under Lord Hood ; had psased through his whole time before lie was made Captain ; commanded the Pegasus ; and it was no light matter to lig of him, that all the young mete in his ship hud either been made Admirals, or had died in honourable advancement while serving their country. Had his Royal flightless reinsined in the service he would have done it as much honour a► Nelson or Collingwood, and there was no officer who had ever tI4 full a knowledge of his professional duties. He concluded by opposing the amendment. Mr. CVRIVIIN said, the mottoes of the Honour. nble Member who had just sat down were honour able to himself, but yet not such as the House should act upon. These were times when every man must give up a portion of his income ; and why should not the Crown participate ? But he thought the whole of this proceeding was irregular, and he should like to hear front the Chair upon what grounds the House could he called upon to make any grant without • Mes sage front the Crown. He knew of no precedent for this grant. These were times when went sa— crifices should be made, and they should be be. gun with the Crown, in order to reconcile the rest of the community. Sir 1. Covent explained. He said his matim was, wheneser l►e sow a brother sailor in distress, never to turn his stern to him. Mr. LOCK HA RT opposed the grant, on the pound. of the great decrease iii the value of money. A. grant of VO,OOO/. now was. in fact, worth a landed property of 30.000/. in consequence of the certatutv of payment. The mime necessity that could justify the abolition of the horse tax, called for denying the present application, and lie could not, therefore, support any additional grant to the Duke of Cla. rence, still less the arrears. Mr. MONCK said, there was no nail more dis posed to respect the Royal Family than he was, but he was equally disposed to vote both against the grunt and arrears. Taking the present grant of 6,0001. a-year at twelve years purchase, it amounted to 100,0001. and he would call on the House to know whether they thought they were in a situation to grant that sum at the present day._ He, for one, as a faithful guardian of the public purse, was not disposed to grant one additional far.. thing. And let the Noble Marquis say what lie would of " English hearts," he had not met a mail out of doors, no matter what might be his party, that did not express his surprise at that strange proposition, and lie should certainly oppose it at every stage. Mr. flume explained. He would sot divide the Douse at that period, but should wait until they went into a Committee. The Repent was then brought up and read a Arse time. Mr. thug wished to ask the Speaker how the sense of the House were to be taken upon the two points? The SPILI ER replied that the Report should be read a second nine, and then it was competent for any Member to move by way of amendment any diminished sum, and with respect to the arrears, it was merely to alter the date from 1818 to 1821. Mr. CUawE9 said, es he had n proposition dd . . ferent fitsin either of those of his Hots. Frieud (Mr. Ilurns-), and wi•lied to get lid of the grant in Solo, he should move that the Report be read this day three month►. Mr. J. MARTIN said he should support the amendnieut. He owed ►ro debt to the Duke of Clarence, but he did to the country, and, besides, that House bud not been a party to the original grant. Mr. BECHER raid lie should support the rant of 6,000/. a year, but should rot:: against the ar rears. Mr. ABERCROMBY said he felt himself hound to vote against the amendment of his Hon. Friend, or else be precluded from granting and• sum whatever. Mr. RICARDO wi►hrd that the Duke of Clarence should be placed on the same footing as his bro thers, and therefore must oppose the amendment. 'rise House then divided on Mr. Curecu's amendment. The numbers were— Fur it . ......... ..... le Against it Majority against the •meadatent . • 126 On our re.edmiesion to the gallery, Mr. BUIE' moved as an amentiment that • sum not exceeding 3,5001. be granted front the Consolidated Fund. Mr. Ewes thought the proposition of his Hon. Friend merely went to prevent a larger sum than 3.500/. from being paid out of the Consolidated Fund, but still left the power to the Crown of in creasing the grant from any other fund. Mr. BERNAL said, his Han. Friend (Mr. flow) had not attempted to dictate to the Crows in giv ing away ony money at its disposal. He mere! , proposed that tin larger sum should be paid out . the Consolidated Fund, hut leasing it to the Crown to exercise its own discretion with respect to any other funds ut its disposal. On • former occasion his Hots. Friend had in a openly manner stated to the House that the Duke of Clarence enjoyed sit income of 2,5001. more than any other branch of the Royal Family, and that was a subject that never could have entered the consideration of the House when they made the former grant. Mr. PETER NIOORE thought the present grant came in a most crooked, underhand, insidione manner—(Hear, an d a laugh)—and he should like some of the Gentlemen on the opposite side would 11711:iuut:iwesnot had been follo w ed up meprecedent,iiiwhich the vote of one in a subs e quent one. During the whole admittistration of subs e quent ep e re n - t pre sent Speaker, whose administration he had oni uniformly supported, he bud heard of au pre cedent to justify the proceedings. A Menage should have come from the Throne in the oust ao r p. • V *v • ~'• • • ;