The Statesman. — London, England, 1810-03-06 00:00:00

1 : ' • ' ,~• • NATI was eatitled to a preemption io Ms favotil l i t he had artist with the gresacia energy. St ig sommt believe, 1431 iattead of .le s ervin gmauve and charged w ith pre jislicing the Royal ear iseainst his coaaphtor in the Expedi- Cno.elar.aso which 1111 Pasco wiJely carealasea in the pub- Lc prima thtinigh in the kingdom, the Noble Earl we' undo serving iif that public obloquy and reproach which had been in Lberallt cast ion him. Ile had doee for the service all that could be done, nod he had the merit of not atttotiptiog. while in the command, to do that which lie was empowered , to attempt by his iaiteactions. My Lord Wellington had not, in his uputiort, accomplished more than what the Noble Earl had dame; and is ceasing to attempt accomplishieg wpat could not be reeved, be had sheen' himself* taeritorious deer. With respect to the minnow In which the proswitor had condarted the ewe against the Noble Earl, he certainly had ahaained from saying any thing favourable to the party accimed. On the contrary he had put it in the strangest ede ma light. The if niouratile and Learned Gentleman should have conceived, that the Noble Lord bad souse hereditary claim. to t:te attention of the hotter. tie had laid be fore then. a paper which comprised his defence, and thee tame aii esard as a witaess at the Rar in a case which would exeulaate air excuse his owe conduct : every sprit/potty was taken by the prosecutor to examine him minutely to that paper as well as every other. It had bore laferreti, that some bold iminuations had been coMaitied in the paper —that some turfing pleuraeh bad been subsequesely with drawn. after it was obtained from hi= Majesty. This, how• ever, failed ; and then the Hon. Gentleman took the only ravine whicii he could take In stop the Inquiry, and brou;10 foi ward his Resolution. [lkea-, hear !) It was a tort of 0. P. praceeding. cndeavourint by clamours to obtain What they could not du by evidence. [4 laugh, fort hear. Mar)] Gentlemen had hero very urgent for prikeeding with the lib quiry t . they eou:il not spare a day from ill they every hoer io st hich the Hou • sat that *De net the inquiry; and, when the ease was closed on their earth and the 'cattle Karl was reatlyan enter na leis goftWet t he / came with a sort of episodt• to the catastrophe. lad, by couple of sa pelting Reollotions, endeavoured to get rid of the charge alas:miser. distinctly avowing•that their okfeet was to get rip of the present Ministers. Flediag they maid oat effect that object, then they hepe. by these premature re- Foliation+. to ma rid, at least, of ow of the Minister& [Near, keit ! from 14 Kinislerisl side.] 4 . was therefore emeist eaf ,i it li the particular views of Gmknuen opftel4le that lb. $ .14111(1 tidy their hands at an .efts. Ile believed tkf sue araceeWl were Dever heard of la any Onurl wouldate ask his Lear ed Friends opposite,'.llllllllMt It -*mild he endured is a Coert of Judie, that whip tide+ , fendant was prepaelte; to °ear a defenes to the Nainst him, the prosecutor should tins bias reftell way, I '. No, you dual lust do so I you lied! oat WWI Such emsdeet, if permitted in another- Courts Welad• grow and palpable Injustiee.--la the peen* 1111.1* such woo the comae saf praceedingi the Wohdillsiao' which the Irj.m.siraeder these ciresmstances aspet.ellateiw r itt 'meth! previous question. if the iloseedid'ilai • • taut coaciapton. then he must take the- aet of the : Kahle • besa onennstitutional—that there wilt ,la it. that it was impossible to posit Same.; Vitt .at t MR( time it was Dot denied that he iplOtapprnaihihr R 4 ear.. and commode :tie any be been, bof the • goaseleatiou eonsiaed in conitaitting hisipplaisa to whits. ,IL wan i.npossihle the y Rme rook/ 4at sty had rolelte ver • )10ffi 10Otali Dales the ruse t 'before them 4 evideisce. The Ws. and Iselselled IPA that Us t. ingiog the eh the hid ;' • htsli toratvd.olotshlx. Tile II le mai eat.' he • lat ' J.Ftlhist he ea. the ese pd OM Willies Pitt. the bro. ,Caer of Vie- tweeted Willem_ 'bolted the Cates o wl the Iftehlrees -aft tha other slate ac ne Howe irviall wit forget allaniatinashlya When he the had tlafteeamisnithimat she be fuatied be board the tones of thew mediate of genies ewe tahebamst K ibis country—that he henrdVie limemeref those i~stit(us Acs. once the ursannent of the ffilltollotoltor 411** der grave ! j again t firearm the ao adasirlag audi ence. flaw. tear/ farm Ike Anisishoddledik.j. It mama* for tile bonnet of tae Kin g that th e b ro th e r of sbe bac illsetrious • • Prime Minister should he tlpis tresteds Ile invoked the sup- • port of his Ftieisd, he he=ed the aid of thiar eloquence to tell this Haim., that the sou of Lord •Gisatharn, the brother of William Pitt, at least outfit to hap‘ kewilee..,, [Los/ and repelte.l . etit.l Of Asir, &At iv Turn Be meant the Honourable tfentleiniih 01r. Whitbread) alilds:e-s the ninvinx Nee leriolinico, he was surprised and hurt that the ilonoorati'a- ()kilning:in would. a order to •sorye a parch ha ir purp.o.c, have quiate,l passages Olt were tittered by thereat Lord Chat'sam,to thrograst them whit the sue data of the son. Mr. S. declared that he stolid not have 4 0 19 ted ""! passages—hc Dfli a father and would reCter have said—" Let not my conduct he areas the raker guid near for rue Isom f f lee has drew that which requiem exami nation, let slim hs treedaipaa his sae merits ; bat do not visit is ion him me particular especations.'"- - 171,satd Mr.Steyhen, h id accissa;iiins to bring against the son, 1 would ant, hie. ru.etu the meet/dile tot the of the de..d. and plan( stones eniai ear iirmostuent of t.!, , father se bruise the head of the son. [Lead (Tie, of beer, Gear!] TIM Noble Lord is a rolitier—lei it Imo he Amgen that lse has as ill•atriitus wine to Napo. t. In drawing op toe pa i ser, he had acted not with a view of injuring any penain, bet onkly from a desires lamb.- ble, i :deed, it was, of offering a Nein statemetst of fees to mastic raiment,. His offence was not so Much mini the Commit in ism as :against les ortillt:agtoe!. The lion. atilt Learned GiritLanita caialuasal is wry able speech, wish derlariag. Cali as as hottest he could not vote for the gesultitiem. • . al e, BROL'GII AM unfired the /lonic that he would est faMht them long ;jot called upon' so loudly as the Supporters Of the Resolutions were by the Learead Gentletalea 11A:shad .144 set dour:, to state by what law or statute lbe s aet to which those resolutions ( referred was moldered isientellta timed, be would humid tender to the Waite a few retv tioe. on the subject. l ie would SW. kinteyer, L aN t! a great dell of estraueour matter lialemhiced ley fte f;entlenum Fle could wren that Learned Cinttctaats, t t he was as aniiisus as himself that quake shoal., be dose to the moo of the great Lord Chatham and the brother of Mr. Pin. Ila heartily amnia to emery ward that had barn said . hi vindication .Id nod Chatballrs general viaduct. It was• true that the Noble Lord had been basely traduced—it was , tree that for weeks he' had been man shansefially ca lumniated by the pews. and particularly by that part of the 'preys which e•peased the cause of Atha:oaten skis. Toe Noble Lord had been accused of haviag as easinoed the failure of the bite expedition. Until the inquiry WI the causes of Shall:Ware had made eareiderattie pro eat. &Ake p net a T ed of his Lordship it bad bees Ammo tousle swam Them were the e a sistainies which Lord Chatham had ; and he heart ft speed with the Grade th. t he had sustaMed am with dignity. to the false of iamb aerosativos hod bees mac t. This was not the time, however, for Id nto pro. teed to sheer. that the faults which had been ascribed to ,acrd Chatham ought to he laid al the dnar of others. ho r he and the Learned Gealleman were of the sank opiaine. e would now say a few words is reply to that part of 71the Lettered flentleinaith speech in abide he could not eon " fur. The Learaed Gentleman did allow, that that act of Lord C:satham. agait t 7 hick the Resolutions pro piled by his Honours Friend were directed, was Improper and uabentiniag. • The differesee beta eea these seem, end the serienewnienrutionat, appeared to tel her' Meader; 3et it was most important that the Home shatild Mark their seise particularly of the" saconst hut ' vearader of the ati. nas not no thesuppositiiiii that ford Chanties hid inlet/sated into his Royal Master's ear any false oe breldiora stalsottat that the Resalatities were founded, bat cm the reads Mg Which the statement had been ende. teat tae ulidirsiga which heconspanied The Home. both by the Nobler Loves own evidesee, mat by his Nlajestyht Amwer to the Address, were in e uvenina of the facts that Lnrd Chatham tithed Rare of his Mijcsty to present Mon a Narra tive of the ExpeJitivist Olt on the 15th of Joinery that !literati,* was presented, are. impanied bya remota of se ; by a request that his Majesty +souk: keep it from the boa:fledge of his other Minister" • that he would allow on barman beiog to see it—neither thine whose contact k des berthed, nor these mho, as the coalidentiaf itdviskni of the, Cruets, were respotaible for the pima deelf; that the Noble Lord sobseqwendy re-clatmed hb Numistlve, that he made ses. terial alter:Limns to it, that he sappreeell a ra b Odium coo, *IA that in this state it was split s i hi hire his Majesty. as these facts the tesistatioas wetrlfeedsassiitaad ed. On these f:tete it WSW doctoral, is thaw the coneuct of Lord Ciaathasa hod beat highly watialtito taws!. He agreed with the Learned Geattemaa, thatit he difficult lode= precise Act of Parliament ea w this declarative Or supported; but it appealed for its fo.sodisticio to ever) ore a( thusepriaciptes of vi isich the Coo. smut:inn was Mai tsp, aad io welch it emitted. Wank De '. cessarv, in a Canstitatiesal point of view, that the emliden tial ativisi•s of lOW OMANI Should enosuit one ano th e r on their proceedings ? Was it necessary fat the peMic service that t h ey should do so ? Was it wt . /is:ay that the Cabinet COOS.. cil shoald esostir in their awaistres for the good of their coun try Above all, was it secrwary that for every act of the Sofefek,U 3 respooable shoal,' be tumid ? lithe al denatlite most be the reply in theta inquiries. what ro ad b e raid of the emaillset se Lord ('manias, who. hismelf a Member a the Orthinet, tendered to his Majesty advice, the eroprie r t tt submitted of which he bad nut to his rdlragur., , n,l teen quested his Modesty to keep that advice from the leo wledge tinge' Me 21Vjcsay W &cry 1.144 duvicc mom MC \Bowl • . . 14 %W . • :•• .:.• . . . . J.. _ —.44.41111114 iry, .... larking then the or time who night sponsiiile servants. Whit= the Noble' the battles of hi %etre' iisdoesere characterized • .truzeled against - this bidden ()Mitl situotion, because, as It. could An lowr he responsille for meats ---, -- - Mut no coorlhal." If wait's) this Vaud. serdistiectly stated by Oat great man, that be (Mr. Imeggliant) stigmatized the contact which took away front tho tare who ouebt to be responsible their esittreal over the ,incesurep of the Sovereign. If it were to be tolerated that each Mialster should offer to the Sovereign his individual and secret advice, - the most serious evils might ensue.—ffoppose AO ex dition planned, and that nee Noble or (tight Honourable person gay* the preference to the employment of cavalry. 'tattered to his Majesty secret advice to employ that descrip of force ; that another *one dillitervit opinion on tV eti, secretly reenuuncoded the of the infantry alone ; Oat a third secretly advinal attack sa be. stole by a 'amp* main; all remade( Net their lultlot be d i e ll e eed i could any thing bit eameened Imre raw? C(Calt ennfusiois he worse eunfeataind thaw would be t pro bable malt uf such conduct?, 'nee lAscordl Ideinleinap had limed this ACciputioo of Lord Chathhat alkeithoer. Farago el that the act of secretly atksts his Majesty was ra y distinct from the expediting, and was a whale et f. If the Suhle Lord's conduct is AU tarok, proved by his own admission, nod by his Majesty's answer to the to „address, were not pronounced by the Irma of Coommou 10 uneoostitutinutsi, there would be in en' at once to the responsibility of Ministers, for how, lu faintones conk' mi di:ens be rendered responsible fur advice which they had not 1 no/ In defirars, therefore, of the present, and of ftrurc dministrationst 111 de.citre even of the Crown itself, u hose crests acre intitnatt.ly c.innected with the decision of the 'Nest ion. hi called upon the Ilonse . to agree to toe resolutions .6( ttis Hoe:. Frieed. . Mr. 11AIIKIN destined the preacnt a gpestion At treat moment. It had occurred to him, even herons Aso entered the .firiese, that he ought to pause before he gave his opinion, and to consider del)beristely whether the Noble*Lurd, whose con. Hatt was condemned in the resolutions Lefore the Wiese, load hems guilty or any . practice' which justified the tern) unconstitutional - , at applied to thascooduet. He h.:4 lis,tened very attentively to the Learned Gentleman who hid just:isat down, .and who, he presutned,• had collected 311 .that courdhe laid in support of the argument he had' Mentioned: T.-what dick' that all amount ? The k. t o oi r twAl Gentleman was Of opinion; that the con. .inet NT Lard - Chatham heti been unconstitutional, isrd this opinion he dpciered *he had deduced from -all the known principles of the Constitution. The Gentleman had stated it as one of thoid ' ktin peinciples, thaw. the Members of the CO- , ir' banal 'Coastal! should act .in concert. Now. the face Wet, dot the existeeee of a Cabinet Council was Immo - to the Contlitution'. in old times the Pr Y. Coiansellurs were dip Constitutional ad , visors of Ms Majesty, altifough fives tree. (hit in t waders tines, •nwinglo an oceorrence originating in i cabal,. 3 rertein somber of those Privy - Conti. sellers went neually formed into a body, and cal leirtitirCisbidfit Colleen. And bete he would re. tasrk, lian3ethsta be *greed-, en a recent evening, ,to stio.4 thiren felt deo to the production of any farther tiarratitesof Lord Chatham, it tins not on the general troonsis of constitutional Necessity stated by the mover of that. Address. Ills reason for: concurring in the motion for the Aildrc , is• etas, that the House baring thought fit to require fin:redaction u( one narrative, end there appear ing a suspicion,thet a. pilot narrative was in exist, vice, he could see no cause, as the second neut. 410 . been produced, why the first ought not to be detiaanded. lie leeld by no means understand '; ., isw slim principle of Ilve.Cianstitution the Learned e Iros B Al . Taiglidisgl Ilk dectillic, chat *Neer the esrolldential advisers of his klejesty, r..cognizeti, as such, ought gut to have accost to his Sovereign to fouler any advice that lie might think proper. if Intik an individual were to take this step with. udt the knowledge of his colleagues, to them 'it as ght be 'an offence,. bet certainly none to the Ceaglitptilse. After the expedition had tcrminat. '..etf, and Lord Chatham's functions as. a Cointnan. de r had cessedt, had soot the. Noble Lord a right, as a Coesdtadorml adviser of his Majesty, .and hgilding the high idieation which he did in the go , ferment of the eointry, to demand an audience of his Severely, tar tips purpose of rendering to him en account of his proceedings ? Wueld .not the Noble Lord barrelled a right to dull& by, word of mouth? Not only had he a right to do I so,• bet he would have .been culpable had Ire Not 'dune so. If, then, he had a right to give his Ma. -jesty advice and information by word of mouth, what was thereie the character of a written, and therefore of a more detailed and accurate state. start, by which moth a right was abrogated 1— ' With respect to thd motives which induced the La* Lord to withdraw his Ant statement, for 'from porpole of returning it in an amended forin t _ Ai Bow heti not the means of judging. It was .peobabla ghat obey would have koown more ou • • this lisibleit'imed it not been for the interruption whiell hed oetamactl in the examination of the No.. Ma Lord; bet even were those motives criminal, the crime was not Against the Constitution. It :might be a very heinoos moral crime, but no such brume was charged in the resolutions before the House. Nothing could he more dartgeroes than 'lttrehargelltt linTividual with a c?iiiii.,Athe eared of which was not distinctly and decisively described, but which was left to be interpreted as eircurnstan. ces might require. lie did nut utter this opinion because the Noble Lord was descended from one 4 the west illustrious Statesmen, or because he was the brother of one'of the best friends that the !Gentry had ever enjoyed., if .the individual whose cooduct was tinder considtWation was 'one of the meanest subjects .111 the realm, he vandal still contend, that it wee an intolerable grievance' to charge him as the Resolutions charged the No. b 1 Lord. The Resolutions, if agreed to, would threw on the Noble Laud's character a stigma most injuriotti to him. If agreed to, bow ought they to be followed up 2 Unquestionably the Vouseought to address his Majesty to remove from his Councils a man whom they hid previously de-, =to have abused the Royal oar, awl. vio he Constitution. The Constkotiee . was a time batik, which every man read in Ids. own way.. ...In what state would the coaotry brit tea ism.,, tairpretatioi of its contents were perinittedto eel, :itaphtted by party feeling ? If such **practice were to prevail, be sitopld indeed tremble for the Likte of the coisotry. lie could nut eonceive a :vire deogertnts illieallOh of things, than that the `noise of Ceiturseille should theme the peeler. of eaprkiewsly doolatiog that to be law which they sight shoe so to . daclare es as lastuediata view r t , ~ , - Tift STA" 11/ neght to be cashiered blaW reams. The life a the Masai Subic. Lord had spnsug, bad been of his country, and mental NAM tZ tore which, larking behind the tor. ;ctl as greater then the Throat itself. geeing kaillt gaion this hidden power, lie lad rebigord" ',ion, because, as he tilnisalf aggressed it; " he sger he resonant for tetanal, over whichbe vr•s•••• -- • . . . . .. • . .r, , • . " . .. . 1 ... 'TES M AN . _ . . . _ " I . ' and without reference to any other an. , ..tltr It was an iseontrovertible principle of etoastitution, that that Could not bo utsconsti. anal agahist which the Constitution possessed Ms gaard. Meut a ters were responsible for any act olthe Crown i: but for advice.not carried into*: lifts they were' *tot responsikk. The law did n$ &tow that Oil should be (rsponsible. Wisely, therefore, to gifer advice to the Sovereign was out Soeoastitistiotial, becaus. thetConatitution dill not afford any guard against each p.circoinstance by rettileArg the intlisid4rwlio urered it responsible. Diu Diukile•Lool, 111% Peer and a Privy Counsel. tar, had a right to have iseCess to his Majesty. ,If alti the advice conveyed to his Majusty'i ear was acted upon, it could only be so settled upon tomtit's. tionally througls*the medians of a responsible Mi nister. Therti was the cheeks. Then was the proper and constitutional 'rusponsibilky. It af. (tacit him by whom the act was done, dot him by whom the advice might have been given. The former was ostensible ; the latter it might he diiii. I cult to trace. In the course of the present discus_ shin, mu! of former discussions on subjects colt: towed with it; a greet deallliaol been said of secret ingnence. At an early period of his life, on the commeoeenoutot indeed of his political life, he had also heard a great deal ahoyt secret lotto.. euee. At that period be had nut .'ie means of 1 knowingdOetlaste.the clamour was true or false., The illustrious Statesman, father_ of the Nablel Lord, had anquesiieilably given to that clatnauti the stamp of his great authority, and had render. ed it more current. From many purlieus however who were *ell qualified to judge upon the subject, he had hoard much disbelief expressed as to the existence of this secret influence. He realty did nut him te . if possess the means of ascertainin4 its existence; bu.t even it it did exist, the Constitu tion atfoithal no remedy against it. If there were Ministers so base at to hold responsible situations under irresponsible . advisers, huwever,great 'the clameur height los against those advisers, and even however great the mischief that their ad: vice might occasion, the Constitution afforded no .Means by which they 'could be punished; theve-. sponsible Ministers alone being liable by the Cott. stltation to punishment . for the acts committed by 'theM. l At the same time he begged to disclaim !any approbation of site!, underhand transactions. But it was itelispensitde to se.l what the Coslitu tion was 'woe the subject, and by Cite Constitu tion to abide. , If his Majesty's retopsible Mini. aster s were guilty of improper conduct, the noose of Commons might address - his Mujesty to rempve thitto ; but no atidress.ef the !louse could touch Alty individual who was not a responsible Minister. Recurring to the case in -question, he contended that if the charge against the Noble Lord in the proposed resolutions was not distinctly• made 'ont —if it was not proved, that his conduct had 'been . clearly unconstitutional —nay, if there was I the sligiorest•ddubt 'toper, the subject, it would . be an net of the .greatest injustice t I adtopt on - solicits invoking in it Some serious consequences to the party accused. ,It was by the Noble Lisetrs Wish that his narrative had h 'en moved for and pre-., seated to. the House. That narrative had certaiii. . . .. ty pla ce d .his Lorti,ltip in .an incohozotent situa. hon.. .If he had instead hein eitemimed at the 'lee oat' the palms tit ividtk ft •retttell, 4,is stele. anent? , in his owto defence 'wodlil perhaps have been more excusable ; and . after all, the naria. tire duly stated so hat the Noble Lord had done, and called upon the other service to captain the circuntetances of which he was igeorant. -It would indeed be most unjust, if, for any error of judg. omit in the mode of doing this, the Noble Lard Arnold he subjected to a censure so heavy as that which the proposed Resolutions conveyed.-,-if any additional proof were requisite that the into. victual advice of a Minister to his Sovereign' was not unconstitutional ; it might be found in the.' conduct, en a, certain occasion, of a man too warmly attached to the Constitution to violate it ; he meant Mr. Pitt, who, on that occasion, wash closeted with Ms Majestywhile his Colleagues were kept in the anti.room. „ , . Lard TEMPLE declared, that it had seldom fallen :to his lot to hear a speech so foil of moat extraordinary and unconstitutional doctrine as that or the Honourable Gentleman who had preceded him. if, had not conceived the possibility that at any time, and much less at the present time, such a dbctrine would be broached. The Honour. stbie Gentleman considered Au conduct of the Noble Lord justified' by hii right as a Privy Coen. seller to advise his Majesty: , He also had said that the Cabinet Council was chotly unknown to the Constitution, and which had (originated in a cabal . . Certainly it was nnknown to the Constitution*, but would the Honourable Gentlemen contend that the Members of it, called as they were to act in the King's confidential service, ought not to pos sess the confidence of opt apstbsr ?. Wools) he cotottinalhat those who were to advise his Ma. jesty ought not to advise with one another ? Be. sides, at the time of rho cabal in which the Cabi. net Council originated, the Privy Counsellors were the constitutional advisory Of the King. The ca. bap was composed of four aversion% united on . the principle of secrecy to advise his Majesty, with out a communication with the Cabinet at large. Ott • that occasion Sir William Temple recant. mended George 11. to take the advice of the Privy Council, and to .overturn_ the cabal ; yet this cabal was adduced by the Honourable Got. tleman as a constitotionat justification of the Noble laneil's conduct. He adduced that against which the, Constitution protested—he adduced it as an ex, ample for the lioase,atel as on excuse fur the Nu. 610 bird . . The Hon. Gentlensait was of opi nion that ;Helen the advice riven to his Maje'sty ' were acted upon, the adviser could not be pu. nisbeil. Against that principle he (Lord T.) pro. kited; he thanked Pod he could nut agree with the,Ronottrable Gentleman _in his opinious of the .Coastitutiou. • The Constitution was nut regu. latud by al written law—it was regulated by practice, and nuthjug could be more contrary to its practice than theta Privy Counsellor might at. tempt to poison the 14,oyet mind, and . that if thy flueettlgto shoelil -nut he so weak as to. allow his mind 'to be poisoned,. that the Pi . itty,c oututellor g l Ocis i kt.Ook be resplansibfq - for bl , attempt. ..ifer , . • . , ... :' . . . - • - . .., . _ i 0 • , ' "'017 17 • .f his part it could scarcely be necessary t ake. I , he was not actuated by any fueling h est e e ' t ' e "at lloblo Lord. lie had many reasons f or w het toning sentiments with respert to him, 41 1)Posir - 0 those of hostility. If the charges preferred against the Noble Lord had afrected his p e „ oe - ‘ e ' and private conduct, however heavily they t e r - h l have pressed upon ben, he (Lord T.) should c„ - bowed his head in silence, and only lament e d th - . 4 existence. But the present charge at against the Noble Lord as a Minister. It was his duty to so w c 'port it. What he complained of was, th e i Noble Lord had not given advice which might Ih e boon cognizable,. but had requested that i t . 4 be kept secret. To the immortal credit ~r the HOuse of Commons he spoke . it, tha t athlete wee rendered. nugatory, an d '' by thee sense of public duty it had !aeon brought tor. %ran! —( et cr.') of No 1 No !) Was i t e ; Noble Lord's own wish that it should 1,2 brought forward ?—f rev ! Yes!] If so, dare; las la eves to say, flee which he was s t eryeeuo, ant to Say, w h y had the Noble Lord stated wh it he did slate in his evidence? Why h a d he told the Hoeft, 'at the Bar on one day that he had pre, genteel it to his M d Majesty at one time, and U . II a le. tiler day that he had presented ii at anothe r tied A ir aeriall claim hal been made upon the Hum e by the Learned Gentlemen opposite.-.-R•Chlha whi c h Ihe trusted, as long as the British History s h ed ; endure, would be, urged with success, eh ei , it wit urged with justice. Ile had urged the Boasts H u t to visit this &retire. on Lord Chatham becatis u le was the son of William Earl of Chatham, and the brother of Mr. Pitt, in the former of why,,,, l e t secret influence practised by the Noble Lurd hel found its greatest antagonist, and in the herr o f whom the Constitution, violated by tie Nee Lord, tuithd its warmest defender. In the name of those illastrious characters he made to 'e l Howe an optical contrary to that of the Lee est Gentleman ; he appealed .. to them el sh e . I veneration for their memory, by an asset.. A ' their princleles. • M r . S'rElill EN explained. Ho' 't ,t• in called on the, House nut to ,;t, e-, 1 • 'y Noble Lird•fer the• sake of les . brother; he had only laid that the Ivor. e thaw Earl of Chaftlam ought nut to be quo e ' aggravate the accusation against his suit ; au, e had only conjured those who venerated that ille. trious character, and . who were attached to, and had been obrreed. by Mr. Pitt, to assist hie level ' efforts ill . the defeere of the Noble Lard epee . the stream of party spirit, and to rescue him front the gros.est ininsitee. Me. G. spli..romv, said, tkat he cane down to the Howse Satisfied with a conviction that -the conduct of the Ndhle Lord demanded re .adoption of su,me &eines resolutions. But tie speeches of his Learned Friend (Mr. Stealers), of whose judgment and takhts ho had the highest epinion, and of the Leartiest Gentleman opposite, although very different• from each other; t o t hi e to doubt the accuracy of his Own judgment open the (pastiest. He certaiuly Old not conceive that the conduct of the Noble turd had been Mare on. constitutional titan the contrust of lite late Duke I•of Portlend and . a Right Hunotiretile Gotten° now out of office, with :respect to the secret adthe given by them, and 'affecting It; Noble Lord, ip s was Bair Colleague., His. itica of the Alit • was, that Lord Chatham - had acted Harm perly, not •as a Cabinet .Counsellor, hut . , as a General of an *rely, and he wished that some resolution stomp . be adopted to pre vent the recurrence of such a proreitdinge— Ile was hot prepared to agree to the strong erste Nations proposed, which went to disable the Noble Lord from serving his Majesty inTuture: To thft length be would not go. He had net 'the homier of being much known to Lord Chatham.—Were it nut indeed for the peculiar circumstances of the case, he should slot have boasted of being at all known to the Noble Lord: bait he 'would' saj, that every nne who had the hone*? to he as. quaiated with him, insist lie aware that id the ea. reins pnblic men in the,country no one eas Louis eminent for candour, fairness, and sincerity. Is the proceeding which he had adopted, the Motile Lord must hate beery led into an error. Bel let site that the Honotitable Mover of the Resole. lions would not believe in his cooler Moments tin Lord Chatham's narrative was predicated to his Majesty with dark, malignant, and insidious views. He did. not deny that the narrative contained ie. vete(' on the navy ; but he denied that deiNse ble Lord was actuated by motives such es tkow ascribed to blot by the lHonourable Gen 4 61 1 . 0. It appeared that the - Noble Ltd hid bran matte execute* , terviee which meld net be pedarild. • To obviate the effects of public censure,. he IA too hastily, perhaps, prepared his eindieatiotl e nni, had presented It to that person whose estimation le , was moat solicitous to preserve. With Mini le the secret influence, which it was aveated kid existed *during the %hole of the present reigai he could not conceive how it could lie going ens for fi fty years, without any one pointing his WI and venturing to say'—•t T h e re i s the elon."-. During:the long Administrations of Lord Nook and Mr. Pitt, no such discovery was made. l ie could not believe it then to exist. The telhlir had long imputed to Lord Bole that he ties de secret adviser of the Crown; hut it was 1 505 a • well knows) historical fact, that so far from Iteirg the adviser of the Crown, Lord Bute compltiinr d of having been neglected by it. The present de. tection indeed was to him a complete proof that secret influenee had not existed in the way . 15 which it was supp ose d t o ex i s t ; for °thaw , . was it credible that secret advice should be der" in twenty days after its communicates , ' ? . A Oa"' ger greater than that arising from secret influence appeared to him to have threatened the Coletilte tion on Cie coalition of Lord Nosth and Mr: • Fox—mitnely the anion of e ll t h e ;l eg is late:et •leinilies of the country. lie would tout vote li lt the previcies qtiestiane, neither wal ed he wee fa the Honourable Gentleman's ressilittiens; but he wished that the Maio would record en lb!! . Journals some rttolution i which %mild effeet glif f prevent 'any person i n t h e nav I or InilijAry . s " . vire of Isis Majesty, from approarl htg his Mattel/ with a narrative of his conduct in any otha wet . . , ••