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~- . . ~n~,..~ ' de bet Wl sal tt -11!. woe s passed, In the she poste censers ore His . s Goverment. He denied that the Go- e ' had ssnoe the Unit* manifested any in. , ri 'i difference towa rds the interests or again 9ff Ireland Shen , h e n they came before them. Pp present resolu. Lion went to establish. that, without such a pledge, Hi s Majesty's Government would pay no af Motion the fairs of Ireland. which was not the fad ; t hey would, without being . beano by any such sge as the resolution enetabled, pay due atten coot a ll times, as heretolosejt to tistialfaireof 'hot .entry. On these grounds, and cousideripg inch resolution as impolitic in its terms, be would op- Foi e it without attempting to reply to all the .argu. eats of the Right Hon. Member. He, therefore, .. c oed the previous spustione which being put by the Speaker, Th e Right Hon. HEHRY GRAT FAN said, that, t h roug h necessity, he was absent on the di 4CIIS, sion d one o f the Bills now alluded tot had he bran present, be would certainly have voted for a s horter duration. His Bight Hou. Friend had observed, that, since the origin of the restrictive oft% in the reign of Fdieabeth, there was a French pay in Ireland; but what was the influence soil pow er o f that party then, compared with what it eras now I France, from whence that party erne v ried, had now extended the power of its: arms and its swa y over almost the whole of the. Rolopean world. When 'thee such a formidable power, for the a drancemept of its own views of conquest, kept up a French party in Ireland. it became the duty of t he friends to Ireland and to the British connexion to wren* a 'proportionate vigilance and caution. The high qualities which charaderiee the Irish people he felt, and in the eloquent description of them by His Right Hon. Friend, he fully coincided. They wiYie a galiant and generous people, as loyal at they were brave. Still he contended that there vas a party in Ireland. influenced by foreign vi e w s , and hostile to, the British connexion. It was no argument tq state, that because in the parts of Ireland alluded to there was no tnrbelence or appearance 9f disaffedioe ; or that because the tranquillity of the chanty of Tipperary was the theme of eingratulatitio with Judge Fox at the Anises .; and the Grand Jury of Kilkenny bad expressed their opinion on the undisturbed stint of their caosty ; that. therefore, the provisions ma u l ; an orgrieedoesson, even amongst a few, engirt to be left OP the slow, operation of t i s co r n . won law- nor aii those instances, in any moaner, trove, t hat there were no parts of Ireland nadir Lathed by disalfedion, and totally free from deacon. too. It had been stated. in the public prints, that a very elevated charader had expressed himself hostile to the principle of the hish Auras Bill. Dal ir was only a little to consider the evil. whilst that Bill was to corral, iq order to ascertain the propriety of its, adoption, The great °Nee of that Bill was, to disarm a confederated gang of plun derers, who used the arms which they had, is me perpetranua of further r.sbbeties of arms from His ? Majesty's babied' of verious descriptions. It a as eat to wage woe with the suspedeel, bet &dually to disarm those /hose oldest was to rob every loyal nun of his arms. The 'wearable should run thus— " Whereas, there does exist in Ireland. a banditti. .porsteskrate4 fte the purpose of robbing the Kiag's =birds of theiiiirms: it thqefore is necessary so otte fions.thena thee* amp-which they have obtain ed by suchploodirt It was a strong, but a news eery nksmerra. He admitted its strength s and its uocordistetionallty t lost lie yielded te the pow erful authority of the .pecessity. He bad Weld the name 61 Lord Edward= introduced, as p awfirwatioa of the alleged impropriety in Fasting such Bills. Yet the House should !moiled. that it was Lord Kilwarden drew up the first Insuiredion Bill. Ibe name of Lord Avonsnore was also mentioned. Yet Lord Avon more, in various successive periods, supported the 46t for inderneifying piteous who had tutted in proclaimed distrias, in violation of the strid,Letor of the Law. and the Constitution. Similar Bills were supported by the most Constitutional Lawyers in that country; by the late end the present Attorney- General, and by that able and sellheened constitu tional lawyer,the present Solicitors iGenemlof Ireland. In his support to the principles of the two Beth, he was admired by the same inducements. he wished to strengthen the Government, to preserve the people. The turbulen-e of the few did not vitiate the whole of the populati In of Ireland. It, on the contrary,. ni• wed the charader and firmness of that people. Partial eruptions a/heed the mourn constitutions. arid were perhaps no sisal' proof of their strength. When he, therefore, adverted to the disafredion of a fr.'', it was far from his intention to convey the opi woe, that the mass of the people were *fated. N .. 01 the face of a great beauty there might be a pim ple. hut it would be eroug to infer that an obserra ti..n on the pimple was a ii:nial of the beauty. It wit true, that the evil to be redressed was great, arid the remedy severe; but whet evil could be greater than the revival of the late treasonable prganiattioo I In a consideration of that nature, thoe who opposed the Bills appeared to have forgone* two things, Ireland and France.—They seemed to forget the weakness of the one, and the almost boundless power of the other. It was cisy to argue upon the abstract principles of right and wrong ; but in meeting the difficulties, and pi ri riding for the necessities of political societies, these alsitra.:l principles mutt be taken its reference to the •,..oti.o.lar circumstances of times and occasions. i ..r instance, what strength of observation and co n olcy of argument could be adduced against the ..urual passing of the Mutiny Bill I What obis... tions to its invasion of the rights of the subject? And what ground for constitutional jealousy in the idea of k ee pi ng up a standing army [But hi what manner were such argum ents comptetely answered ? They were answered by this strong and decisive statement, that under the circumstances of oar situation, an army must be bad. Upon a siennar principle the Insuriedion Ad was resorted to, because on no ether o principl e t h an necessity could it be justified. s far he thought it his duty to speak . in . defence of the opinion and support which he thought it his duty to give the Bills. In that support. his 01 )j: 11 etas not to in crease t h e power of the Crown s ou eventually to pre4ervp the rig hts of the He concurred in the " opini o n of his Righ l : " Xl. Friend, that the Isiah sut-' 'I should be fr equently bem iht under discussion • A in Parliament, but in (se der te be brought with advantage s it resold be in troduced with sobriety. The great po'nts where Parliamentary examieation should be &reeked, were to the education, the agriculture, and religion With' respell to tit- first, the great objaet shoold he to promote such an establishment of education as was calculated to comprehend both the rich And the poor classes of society. For such purpose, there were already large funds in Ireland. In the reign of Charles tee Feet, ri arty 18,000 acres of lend, of the annual value of 10.0001. were granted for the establishment of Free Schools. At present, for that large sum of money, not more than 18 tree scholars were inettuCt-d. And by a report, deli vered in the year. 17180, the plea did net succeed, nor did the westers perform their duty. "The remedy, in his opinion, WAS to have two great schools, similar to Westminster and Eton, and to apply those funds, now so unprodudively exp-nded, to the support of such institutions. Little schools never fulfilled the intention of their toendaiion ; they were wont to doindle and degenerate; but by colonising tool planting large ones, the literary feel. ing is extended to the whole vicinity, and the teachers have an interest in advancing tee informa tion and learning of those whom they are bound vigilantly to improve. With reaper; to the agricul ture, he would not prematurely encourage hopes which it was not intended to realise. Indeed it would be better to speak on the subjeß of tythes, unless an amehoratioe of the system was spcesitiy adopted. A commutation fur tytnes was long a measure of very important and serious considera tion ; tee este . ..first-anent of a males was approved, with the appointment of certain Commis onners to value the present receipts of the Established Clei Ay, end to raise the amount upon the county, in the man ner in which Grand Jury assessments were Levied. Tins the Clergyman would have Government se curity for his money, the Tythe Praetors would appear, • and the farmer would then enjoy the fuil power of alone managing los farm. Us had a sincere hope, that as it was the intention of the late Administration to ameliorate this system, so the present Ministers would studiously arid sincerely sh ied their attention to some appropriate measure of relief. It required an immediate out serious in quiry to remedy du. never-fading lout ce of discon tent, the tvthe system. Fur 40 years it unceasingly continued to distil: ti the peace Ot Ireland It was the saucing leeltng with the Hears of Oak says, the Heart. rat Steel, the Right Hays, and Waite Iloys Ma. ter . need not pledge themselves to the specific remedy watch they were inclined to adopt ; at the 'erne tine that it ought with them to be a paramount co.eudelation to effect that Ainehuration which was mart p; .zed by the Wei peasant,An I most c nige riot to his feelings, an 1 the contingAnce of which had created more &spits:ince. and ii.sitedmnre cruelty, than oe could well desc.ibe, or the House could to any manner cusped. With respeet to the religion of the Irith, tie contended. that for a Government to rest spun the pi inciple of exclasion, was, and mast be, a most fatal policy, and every mewls' toquamy such eloditne wiLi tend to nothing nut to weaken tee means of our defence, end augment the power of the enemy. Upon what argument can such a pria• ciple rest ? Was it, that she Catholics, in possession of civil rights,) would endeavour to destroy the e.ta- Wished Hierarchy t That admitted to the blessings of freedom, their first attempt sswild be to destroy that Coeur:salon, to participate io which was- with them the most ardent hope and ezeedittion That at the first oppus tonity. the Catholics, entirely freed from disabilities, would join the natural enemy et those r eas on s f--Well, the trial was at hand ; but a little period, and the validity of the apprehension will be quickly ascertained. Should they tight for themselves. and for England, should they oppose, with the exertions of loyal subjeds, the darnel alld devastating march of the furroulAole invaders, will any man be found to say, net the ap prehensions were not justified, and that the fur.her exclusion would be criminal ? Who was there would then contend, that in the idolatrous celebration of the Huss, in the invecAtion of Seines, in the Council of Constance, and all the ether rubbish of Popery, there were st :t such grounds for alarm, as neither the bleed, nor the wounds, the peril, nor the services of the Irish Catholic could ill any degree remove l The idea was prepesteious, the universal bar of prosetiption was bosh inefficient. and dangerous ; because men, who, at the hazard of every thing dear, isere ready to share in the dangers and hardship• of the country were fully entitled to the privile g es of the Constitution. Tents the Comities might u to become tee erbium of their own destiny ; and in the proceedings et Kilkenny, he saw the origin of that spirit which must ultimately succeed; cordiality amongst Mailmen, and a radical abhorrence er France. Che Right Hon. Gentleman then read the Address of the Prozestant Grand Jury of the c ranty of Kilkenny, and the thanks of the Roman C &mile inhabitants of the same county.] If. said fee the ;maple of Ireland observe the transaraien, of the prieeiit day with a mind truly great. if they contemplate with en extent of thought at all proportionate to the extent of the evil, they will re gul ate there conduit by the saner sound And in dependenr principles, which they exhibited in 1779. and 1782 ; the conduct which, in the former year onAitied tnem their free Free Trade ; acrd, iu the other, restored to them a Free Constizu. ion.— In such conduel alone they will find consolation and security. They will find them in scouting the se ducive and fatal allurements of France, and in pre serving tnemselves from the exertion, of puny trea son, an t pitiful rebellion. Let them look to the prostration and subjugation of Holland, Genoa, aad Vertice ; let them rake upon the degraded servitude of these miserable and plundered coun tries ; and then contrast with such calamities the proud reeolleetion of their own collie! at the pe riod of 17e4, when despising every foreign overture, they displayed to the word tee gloritms ex anp!e of men eeter mined to obtain leginmete rights. I.y legitimate mean,. To the pledge to, inquiry lie gave his warmest assent, altrugli he Louid not agree to the het .h epithets Appliea in the resolution of his Hon. Friend to the two dills whist lately passed the Legislature. Mr. DILLON said, he felt great difficulty in exasessing himself on this greet and important Re . &aims, prop toed so wisely and seas .34rily by hi. Ittigat lion. P !lend (Nr. Sheridan). Th., difficulty tied chiefly arisen from the circumstance of nothing itaving beat offet4 Imo the other aids of the House, soainst this most salivary Resolution. So Lott regard was paid by Hia Majeity's Ministers to the aff.hrs of Ireland. that be remembered th st a Noble Lnrd opposite to him ('Lord Castlereagh) had supported a measure eraich deirtred the Estehltabet! Clergy of Ireland of the tythe of agistmont. He telt with regret al differing OD some points, respect, ing the late from a Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Grattan, wh-xe principles and patriotism he had long a dmired as most highly rawitoriou Mr. WINUHAM said, that his Right Henottre ble Friend (Mr. Sheridan), had truly stated that there was a French Party in Ireland ; and his reso lution was happily framed to dinsinisn the dange rous Fes and prohable mischiefs to this country (tom that Breach Party. To that resolution ne felt himself impelled, from eenvittion of its great wis dom, to give his hearty concurrinee and firm sup/ port, in order to shew to the Irish netion, and to' this, that the Menshfrs of that Hem most anxi ously felt for the misery of that People, and tor the preservation of this and that countryowhose joint existence only could save either. There was strong party in Ireland he knew, who would prefer the evil. which they felt to he a ;peat and a dreadful alternative, viz. a Preach connection, re-her than continue MOOT the oppression and tyranny of the Government of this country, but . misgovernment and disunioir,as in this cue, will ever he inseparable. He was the more 41 ZioUS to support this resolution, from his ctinvidtion that Ireland was the only vulnerable point of these coantries—that it was the nut post, which, if once takes, this coun try must immediately or soon after fall into the hands of the snern7. Lord WILLIAM RUSSELL followed Mr. Windham on the same side, and in the !ime strain, c'.argir.g the admintoration with an unjust and imp ditic condue towards Ireland—he admit ted that there was suth a party in Ireland as was rated ; and havin 1144 intimate knowledge of the bad system of Government adoired aad peoc , ti,ed hi that country I tub', where no measure, be well knew, pursued during a late Administration there, which tended to ameliorate the condition of that suffering people, would be attended to by His Majesty's Minis:c.c.—What availld Lets of Parliament ? could they be executed, he shied, without confidence in the people, to Whom you will Cot entrust arms ? He declared it to be his eonvietion, after mature and long study upon the subject, to gether with the opinions of men of great wisdom and experience, that /retard could not be expefted to remain under the domituti in of En4land long, if a:tempted to he further continued, as st has born for centuries past. The only paint on which he dif f:red from his Right U tn. Friend (Mr. Sheridan) in this diienssion. seas that part of his statement, in which he said that some goad was done for Ireland in the present r-ign. Is was true, he said, the repesd of Poyning's Law was granted, but what has now become of it, he would ask the King's Ministers? Fhe Ir:sh were promised the benefits of the English CianstitaCon on the Union; but the English havii.g obtained the Union on such terms, Dever since con ferred the least benefit, advantage, or favour, upon the Irish ; and that Union was obtained by cor ruption and coercion, without any performance of that assurance and good faith from the English Go vernment. passed at the time, nor of the grand sti paleted conditions and benefits of that Union to the Irish. Mr. LOCKHART said, Ireland was a conquer ed country, and withont arms, and it 'oust i‘ritee its people to be legislated for by this country : bu: they must be (oriel by coercive laws, made amen able to Cavern:nen , . and afterwards receive favours which will conciliate iliens. He agreed with the Right ijon, Menaher ('sir. 3:atran) as to the mea sures of education, culiivation, and commuteeion of trim, and would supprt s tcb measures wleten brought forward, but not until a proper est...bl ai. merit of oar Clough shall be there seeded He stated, that having long been interim:ay acquainted with the Right Hon. Mover. he was sorry to oprse the Resolution, but he must vote against it. Col. HERBERT briefly opposed the Resolutions bat spoke in so low a voice, that we did not dill• finely hear hint. Mr. SHERIDAN rose to reply-,"Sir, 1 am most willing, as I before stater), to conform to the wishes of any Hon, Gentleman, in altering ary ot the terms is my resolution, as it would be the twist ar dent gratification to my mind to have the principle of the resolution universally admitted and sanction, d by this House. At Eve sauna time that I feel my self bottod to say, what I am sorry to perceive, that Vie word. of the resolution, and even .its sense and in cuing, have been both mi;emmetired and wholly misuo.lerstood. For I ask hew any militia being cou . d, after what had so repeatedly fallen from rise in the previous part of the evening, so en (leeavour to distort and torture my tsp-essions, as to construe the argument. I used agai est the system hitherto pursued in Irelaad, into any like a reconunendatiun to the people of Ireland to resist the enact rents of the Legislature W.leteas, a tar Jiff:rent inference was drawn by me, in ts much as my strong opinion was, that however endeavoured to prevent we passing of those obnoit ions Bills into a law, yet that when passed it became the duty ot every good and loyal subject to submit to their provisions, and pay obedience to the powers 07 which they are created. My hope was and is, that by the means of inquiry, the sources of this discontent will be removed, its necessity corrected, or titles* that its duration should be shortened. This I was led to hepe might be done, and that the people of (relent would at least have Clic small advantage, thz: aitaualty the 8.11 would und,nlys the fullest and most mature da:ineration It ..vas in my opi nion t!,..! only thing which could rnst:: thew &I: at all sufferable. But I will put it to the :eel- Mgt eel the H.stue, and call !phi A il man, however hardy i.e nssertenn, to rise up in ilk p!ace, and, lay ing his hand on his heart, to deny that these Bills ale not a total and lattiaal subversion of the British Constitution. Eith .r let them be annually sub mitted to the consideration of Parliament, or et once make tnem perpetual There is no rube or principle in legislation which can authorise this clothe at its pleasure, and in one ahsence of all proof, to pass such unconstitutional cos, useder the test of neeng temporary, wise-reas the effect and ,:arpaie is to totally withhold from the people of Ireland titter rights and liberties as the subjetts of this emisire. An Han. *tuba (gr. Lockhart) • has this night Impend Irjdo..l4sjetipste 10, "mummy; bqt I isant set way 0.0.0! acquaintance with die nos. Geotimpaa. hat Al :post strongly /ith his principles ; pnociples stria recommend a gneerpment of fire aarl sward; winch let-skate the propriety of fiat ruling by the lash, and then winns..g by boosts and Worms the co happy wretches who ahodd crawls to MS :110. moat on. * this, fier, is ; doaries which can are her broached in , 12111 11 - arse withotts gawked errs prev.ions of my surprise, indignation sod abhorrence., We have this night heard mush of the liberalise' sv.r.ch has marked the preseot reign towards Lem land, of the piteileges which have beta bettowe4 and the gratituJe plicb ougi.t to be excited.. W those who advance these ppieic s. an 4 are mew althea at even t.e hesitation of a donee. review Vie general periods at theca bootie were conferral/ Will they find them the geettine.grato of .biroefi. sense and kintineo g •den in file sincerity of r"ur teflo'. and with the convi&on of the trailed-1. or rather, w Alla they not find them as wrung trail the tardy and reltittant h aid of testified opplossissit Against the recurrence of such ...tents, it is Woy hope and objet to Aprovitie. I deprecate wait. ing for that fatal tone 'when you will bi forced to do with a bad grace, inst which it Is as ail times y• tar slaty do, An I ...high adult you will not have t e-orage to reuse. Th. Gentleman (ddr. kiwi). has cud us. that tile Irish ougot t await woo patience; that they have much to sped boos a Lea , .. .t ere, lititvalisicilthit la .ihrop . What a ta , HJ? r'hilatithr.ipic with is eenge..a.a. 1 and much has cer•aitily •s.••••• 3 )n- tot the pe0,,1, .d Irelart I. by this Yittlinst4r4iref. Logi-0 Louie wit .in these PAlanthropie wilts. (4 Lena But then I ant tr•ld that it is doubting the superide telling cone t.l of Parliiutwat ; that it is imputing to t•,e Mini tr, of G•eat Britain and Irela , .d. a culpable IllAt • 41 and remissness in the exe•efur of their duties, by bringi g forward ktico mo. aims, and demandmg from the Haus'. such a pledge as I feel it my duty so recomintend. bIS yet my Right Hononraole Friend (Mr attitej in his masterly 43.1 eloquent speech, c tots nigh', that it such a veto ion bees made yeats ago, we might now as saber-," Imo; iota necessity of sti.44vougilig to exanssne istlro Om sources of the disconte.as in Ireitiod 2 Was-sheik not some remedy wanticg its a ,yarn' where tiff Clergy of the Established Church scarce ever reside amongst their pirishinnen f whew It &ors enj livings worth 1.4001. 4 year. and not 4-vlnt Frei testrot inhabitants withi:i that living t When 18 OCin good aores of ground, estimat..d alatosAl4 at 10,0001. per annum, are only able to afford educe. tioo and subsistence to 18 mail boys t--(..1 beet). It is enough to recite the strongest iitaliegs of nation, to Lear it cats' that a system so ra.aselly nod as this, e1•3...,s not del:rand ..xemi-ation and reams. Ireland expects it; and Engl.nd wise, aiwiea ',fixat e ed and impressed with the i orpw tante.will d-tusnd it. :4y R. Hon Friend has laid before you Me "slaty. the p tiality, the false comarection 4ow Uf the most oaremigreg sources of Irish. disemaem s Io considering the evils and thwaharkishipe, the anvily and oppression of the Tythe system. I can will as.. count for these itoqa•ast-imarrelline• seisit'llbta • which have so long dis•ui bed that country. Instep tracing snob @treat I can easly perceive-the causes of Ireland's calamity and weakness. wish out appeal s ' .g to the ngettuity a .1 inf•qtaritarta of any Right Honourable M fobs,, hawsers; elevated his coaradler. or extensive his log* ries. Her.. are soirees of disalUdwo mare pow.. mint, more .idive, Loan all the elfotu of thoFreach party. But, Sit, r etas traawints party ealt.ts. why not examine it: L.o.k at i. s eat, its sizeiwed hi. quence. S.rong in p.n. omen rig it e he not afraid to t u, , ,t it. This feel, 4 we are t .Id. is contempliales dire.% then. the p otter of ; ie I.t.v to defeat it, bit do not. u,ton such a pret• at. disquality the p-ople of Ireland of the rights of freemen. ifsm toy Right Hon. Friend says, the tr..est nee Icy might List a purple opon her face s and surely w ouid be reason to 4.111 f the p ewer •.dr charts 17.3•10 Z of no 1. tsismen who wool 1 tossm :I seat fe. , male Liveltness for titat trtfliug Atradv,tl7 blemish. Formyown part, as an loshm I • all say, my dear sweet lady, pray pot a pe.sh N ose that pimple, but • o not ny any Means t• ink of hiding is: d.vine c ionteti4oLe in • maple!' —(6leraral gad rettegleri I.sghmg pr. ;vs the Constitution, we ate to d it .5 nec-ssary to su-- E nd its operation. that to coutinue the blessings of Freedom in Ireland. the people are to ha deprived of their influence. That to preservelts inaependo en e in the a.tprca hi g s toggle, when we are called upoa to fight for eve, y thing which mea osalit to hold dear, the emulators poncivie fa to be tabs away, and the noblest impulse to human energy be palsied. .• Et propter winvb tots pettier's nuts." The Catholics of Irelai.d ar • to fi 4ht awl bleed to qualify them fur their rtgsits. I wish pot to pat the question of the s .coo• y of 1r..1 ind opm the experiment of valour. la. uth to gave the right as a preliminary proof of the British ivs -rainy. and at the incentive to national elm tion. But is it necessary to waif fee fresh pronfs of Ca;hoi.: i , yaity and en. terprise Is there a glutei of the %arid obe.e they have not sooported .e hoots's!' of your name, they glary of yr.gr ms, a 4 the superior sty of yoor character d Betiering as I sincerely do, that the Catholic population is toysi, I would not disaim them in this pressing peril. I would put there with sit Right lion. Friend 'lva treir ttial l but I would wish tit st to see 'e from their restraints. I w send them forward hiaceieel With the armoto of the constitution aboat them. It is for such ova s that lam anxiotte to convince Ireland that this 11.ove will not remain in its pro. sent state of onvicteal ignoranse. that it will apply itself to an ex,trn• ntr.,rt of her gore Ines. and a sp..edy applicator the rem...dy'. DJ As Chat ;ee tie Foist did, ask the .ease of ren liton. and our him, when you hive ascettlii,eJ the caeve. app.. the mea‘.s nt relief ?" Mr. FULLEit thought Committi tirr2 should be sent to catmint.. tivre wore so m tny dieneni ece•Autts. lie once *al t.. 1.1 by ait aslant Otre,:er. that n.he out or t.o men hated u.t.c was surpliti,,g that V'e want so cseilis:J i, •• • and she% so anti., .2-d the--. Mr. CC:X.:AAA:4 E .101•1*; CISIE resolution, a..d thu.sght that Pluitaintid ould come discreditable is 'Maud. dud ail 'Nudism. • 's ~~ es with u!d e VAS ler the