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:7 I fiTe&ier for Ahing•lon (11r. Moberly) bed offered It) tru ,, nroll in twenty ditys what before took forty. tett , the Cii incellor of the Exchequer, being a good. entered kutd of mot, as he always was, consented to &vide the doff-rence with the man who held the ri u vten, and rug aged he should transmit it in 90 clays ; and the coi.sequence was, that the loss to the public of the interest of the money, occasioned by t'oin delay, aaa no less a sum than 18,0001. a-year. —(Fleoi, hear.)—lt appeared that the building of the new Stamp Office, including the various ex. Lenses, would amount to .14,00014 whereas tlient could have had one ready built, with much greater a Isaioages, for the sum of 7.400/. Fle knew that it was an invidious task to bring fnrward charge. aeaing an individual, hut if the facts of the case o tech he stated were true, his vise was mode out, sect he rested open thee, careless of what might be fud, slid he called upon the House boldly to ex press a condemnatory opinion of the whole trans action and the prrso a concerned in it. 'Flue lion. Gentleman concluded by moving the following Re • : Thai it appears In this House, from certain papers re. IV.IIVC ill the bitilding of a new Stamp Office in Edinburgh, shun mitrh irregularity had taken place iu the transaction, pall tirolarly in the selection of the &Risottos, sad the ap. r.inteneni the Surveyor and in proceeding with the huild. ing with o ut contract, mill also in releasing Sir J. Wrier'. levik• from his engagement about the piece of ground b hind th e builditsg, thereby incerriug an expense, and s‘itetioning a principle Itigh4 injurious to the public. " Sir J. MARJOKIBA NES said he hoped the House hail entertained a higher opinion of him than to . gise credit to all the charges brought against him, tlio, perhaps tl;e praise which the Hon. Gentleman (11r. llome) had lately received fur his attention I!. the public accounts had induced him to bring forward charges against private individuals. The' Mrs. Ba•011et th en proceeded to explain the trams str.'tlon. lie had the right of appointing an indisia ' dual, and having known the Gentleman alluded t•'. m o ll considering, him a very proper per.on for the situatien, ited hawing a desire to serve him. he desired the budder to send in his estimate for build lug the Stamp Office, and he should forward it to Beard. Ile did so accordingly, and he luaus. fettled it to the Treasury. Ile stated a number of local circumstances to justify the choice made fint the situation of the new Stamp Office. It was' hew the Play-house and the Register Office, two. places of much resort among the Inhabitants of Edinburgh. He contended that the new build tug would cost less by 300/. than the expense which would nave been incurred by purchasitig Dern breekts hotel, which had been offered fur the pure pose. lie would be less surpoived if on his way belie he were to be taken into custody by a watch. teen, than at having this matter brought forward *A a charge against him. it happened to him once (;hough it was scarcely to be expected of a mao of 1 1 : 0 figure) to be pressed at Dover. Perhaps they ' tiosin.,lit to have got money from him, but they should have known that Scotchinen did not sw rosily part with their money. The accident was n it snore surprising to loin than the charge against lb.iu on the present motion. He argued against the pertinacity of the Edinburgh Stamp Commis. stoners in preferring Duruhreek's hotel. He con tended, in reply to other observations of the Hon. Centletiorn, that the Scottish Bankers derived ir pecuniary profit from remitting the revenue of Scotland. He concluded by lamenting the Ire fluency of attacks in that House of late on private ieiaracter. He instanced a lamentable case its %tech a gallant officer, who had been wounded iu tile service, was charged with making a false re. Dart, by which imputation his fortune, his fame, Lied hi- life were put in jeopardy.—(•t Name,mome!" from the Oppositiou Benches.) Lord A. HAIIIIILTOU was sorry that the Hon. Baronet hail mixed I self up with the subject at a!l. He denied the peculiar convenience of the site .elected fur the new office. He wished to know of the Chancellor of the Exchequer why there had been no contract, no estimate, and no surveyor on the ccession. The job had gone on under the protecting influence of Sir J. Mariorihankb, Lord Melville, the Lord Advocate, and Sir Geo. Clerk. Cousidering the opposition made to it by the Edin burgh Stamp Commissioner., he thought that there was cause of stepicion that great neglect had taken piece at the Treasury. He disowned any intention of personal soma ; he objected to the interfereuce o!' the Hoe. Baroilet, those' he did not question 11.1 motives. lie admitted the integrity of the Chancellor of the Exchequer, but the Right Hon. Gentleman must have been deceived. He would support the motion. The CH iNCEI.I.Oa of the EXCHEQUER main. trilled that the Treasury had a right to judge of the subject under consideration independently of the Board of Stamps, and justified the choice of bituatiort which had been made out grounds of 100- cality, interior accommodation, and economy. Mr. MABERLY said, that when lie made the offer of remitting the Scotch revenue at half the usu.:l par, he intended to benefit himself as much as the public. lie asked tio favour, but only a fair com petition. He offered to remit it in twenty days, . tied the Right Hon. Gentleman had concluded urn improved bargain on the old rate for remitting it in thirty-eight days; making a loss of fifteen days' interest in the three millions. He attributed this to the weighing down of the strong Scotch infl epee. Had the offers We') equal he would not have expected the preference. Had he succeeded et his tender, hts plan would have been to have made the Scotch Bankers pay their own notes, which they resorted to every shift and trick to avoid. 'rite Hon. Gentleman was proceeding to explain the loss incurred by the public in the re mittance of Scotch revenue. when The Marquis of LONDONDERRY spoke to order. He apprehended that the remittance of Scotch re venter had nothing to do with the question. Mr. M•agaLy put it to the House if the situ silsts made to him haul not mode his explasunion tieeestrary. Ile did not wish to detain the House, a'.d wroth' not add another w.:rd on the topic, though he considered himself hardly used. Mr. HUME replied. lie thought that the Hon. Baronet had completed his (Mr. Home's) case, and continued all that he said on the subject. He was very far (ruin wishing the Treasury to have nu Cull. teal Over the expenses of public buildings, but hr dented that they had any right to meddle with the particular functions of other Boards. Sir J. MALIONIIIANES explained. Sir U. Cuss said a few words in justification L of the arrangements for building the new Stamp Office. Mr. Hums objected to the manner in which character was attempted to be brongtit forward in reply to facts. TheAuestioo was then put, and negatived with. out a division. Mr. Hulli then moved for n copy of thaeor respondence which had taken place between the Commissioners of Stamps and the Treasury, re specting the suspension and re-appointment of Mr. Bremner, the Solicitor of Stamps in Sent. land. which was ordered accordingly. HUSBANDRY HORSE TAX. Oa the motion of Lord Mturow the third rem . ing of the Husbandry Ilona Tim was postrieswol till to-morrow, when he gave notice he should pea. pose a clause relative to ag►icultural horses let to hire occasionally. MR. THEODORE HOOK. Mr. BENNETT, in rising to make the motion which he held in his hand, said, he should hardly have been induced to bring forward a subject af fecting so nearly the character of so individual had it not been for information which be bad re ceived, and which be had every reason to believe was strictly correct, as it came from the best au thority. It had been stated to him dist 'on the 15th January, 1818, the acting Governor of the Mau ,iticia received a letter from one of the Clerks in the Treasury there (named Allen), stating that the Tres sorer (41r. Theodore Hook) had appropriated to his own n•e r part of the public money of that depart ment ; lie also reported is misapplication of 1,150 dollars, and referred the Governor to the Treasury accounts fur a verification of the statements. The Governor replied on the 25th January; 1818, and told Lim that, notwithstanding his desire that his communication should be considered confidential, it was impossible that mutters of so serious a cha racter should be so considered, and he lied there fore referred his letter to Mr. Hook. At the Woe time that Mr. Allen received the Governor's an swer, lie had a letter from Mr. Hook dismissing him from his office, and telling him tint he was ruined for ever. Afterwards Allen received a letter from 'mother clerk in the Treasury named 61 4 Manus, which informed him that the Governor hid had • conference with Mr. Hook, and had ordered that he should be sent from the Colony, but that Mr. Hook interceded for Itim on account of his wife and children, and he wit in consequence to be allowed so remain at a salary of 45 dollars a month ; but on Mr. Allen ap p lying to the Governor, be found that no such conference bad taken place, and that he (the Goers-ow) had never given any such orders. Mr. Allen then wrote a letter to the Governor in such terms as clearly .hewed that his intellects were a little shaken with the anxiety be had sustained. —The Governor then appointed a Committee, which assembled on the 9th February. 1818, consisting of the Chief Secretary, the Auditor, the Payinaster.General, and other officers, who, after ex amusing witnesses on oath, found a deficiency of 601. and • non-entry in the accounts; iu fact, they found that the whole ofA informatiou was substantially correct. Allen, he believed, died before the Report was made. It appeared afterwards that there were two sorts of note% in circulation, to which the sig n:stare or the Treasurer was al% and a greater number of those notes were out:sliding th■n ap peared by the accounts. Under there circumstances the Governor suspended Mr. Hook, and as there was no tribunal io the Colony competent to try him, he wad sent home as a prisoner, but on his arrival here he was released, a proceeding which he had ne doubt was proper on the part of the Government, as he believed they had no right to detain his per son ; but the question was, what steps had liis Majesty'. Government taken to obtain the money They might have a care completely to answer the matters which he had stated, but certainly it was a very proper case for inquiry. lie meant now to move for a copy of the accuunt current between Theodore Hook and the Mauritius Treasury, • re. gular document signed on the Bth December, 1818, from which it would appear that the debtor's stile of the account amounted to 63,863 dol. Imre, and the creditor's side of the account amounted to 24.130 dollars, leaving a balance due from Mr. Hook of 39,733 dollars. He also intended to move fur a copy of the dispatch which Governor flail had writieu on the subjects He trusted there would be no objection to the pro duction of that letter, and he was sure there could be none to the production of the account. He thought that if there were a deficiency. the sureties were the persons whom the Government had a right to call upon. He thought he had not over. stated any thing, and he was sure the public had a right to know the amount deficient. if Mr. Hook were a defaulter, us also what steps the Government had taken to recover the money. He concluded by moving for the account current, and copy of the dispatch of Governor Hall which he had mentioned, Mr. GoyLavas was ready to acknowledge that it would be proper the dispatch of Governor Hall should be before the HOuse, but that the case of Mr. T. Houk involved arquestion requiring mo re information thi n th a t di spa t c h wou ld afford. The whole case had been referred to the Colonial Audit, as being the most proper persons to investigate it, and in order to prevent the recurrence of a similar irregularity to that complained of. Shortly alter the receipt of Governor Hall's dispatch, Mr. Hook areived in this country as a prisoner, toge ther with some other persons, fur trial, for other offences rod • rase ma. prepared and laid before the Law Officers of the Crown, to know how far the Government would be juraitled iu detaining or proceeding criminally opium% Mr. Hook, mid their opinion was, that Mr. Hook could uut be detained; and that on the evideuce then produced, it was not sufficient to warrant a criinitial proceeding. The Government had then nu other step to take but to refer the charge to the }Laid of Audit. The in quiry had gone on slowly, nit @consul of the dis tance of the colony; but Mr. Hook had been ex omitted before the Commissioners of Audit, and had giveu answers and explain/nous which, whether satisfactory or not it was not fur hits then to state, hut he (mold inform the House Unit Mr. Hook was at present Willer taerlilloallOo by the Board of Audit, and a short time since auotlier Krpcat had been submitted to the Law OfficLra to kitow if the evi dence would now *detain any proceeding. Should the Law Officers decide that a criminal pro. ceediil should take klate, lie was mute the Hoeft would decide that no step could with propriety be taken in that House; if, on the contrary, the Low Officers decided that no criminal proceeding could take place, he should then have no objection to laying a copy of the dispatch of Governor Hall on the table. In justice to the Governor, he should state that, as soon as the deficiency was discovered, every thing belonging to Mr. Hook in the colony was seised. Mr. BENNarr was willing, after what he had heard, to withdraw his mown. He observed the Hon. Gentleman had given no answer respecting the steps (if any) which had been taken against the sureties. Mr. GOULBURN said, as we understood, that there were no sureties; but from arrangements made, the like circumstance would never occur again. Mr. BENNETT then withdrew his motion. EXPENDITURE OF THE COUNTRY. Mr. Hums then rose to make his promised mo tion. He said thnt all who had attended to the proceedings of the House must know that from both sides of the House statements had been made of the distress under which all classes of the commuility laboured, particularly the agricul turalist. He, for one, thought that no relief could be obtained but by reducing the expendi ture of the country, and the consequent reduction of taxation. That he considered as the only menus of relief. The Repoit of the Committee which had sat on the agricilltural distress would have, he thought, • most beneficial effect; it would re move the erroneous opinions which some of that class of persons entertained as to relief to be ob tained by raising the price of the produce of the soil. The object which he had in submitting the mo tion which he held in his hand, was to shew that, however strong the calls were which had been niade in the House to lessen the expenditure of the country, the House of Commons--the Rep►esenta tives of the people—had not &wavered to those calls. He for one was disappointed, and out of doors there was but one opinion on the subject (except by those who received allowances from the Government), and that was this, that the expendie tare of the country was on much too large a *cute. He did not look at the situation of the country with gloom, h►e considered that we were still equal to every demand, if we only mode the proper use of our resources. In 1792 the revenue was considered large when it amounted to sixteen millions, and the interest of our debt, exclusive of the Sinking Fund, was then 9,594.000/. whilst this year it amounted to 32,600,000/. on the funded and un funded debt. The public accounts were in that condition that no person, be he ever so industrious or able, could nuke up any accounts but what soother person might bring forward a different result. He hail, in conjunction with his Honour. able Friend the Member for Portarlington, en deavoured to compare the accounts, to see whether any progress hart been made in the last five or six years, or whether we were not actually in the same state as in 1815. The House would scarcely cre dit the confusion and contradiction which they found in one account—the stefiviency of the Con solidated Fund. He held in his hand three statements, all different, yet all signed by the same person. There was also • difference between the Budget account ongt the one ou the table, of the funded and unfunded debt, afoot millions. The Chancellor of the Exchequer stated, last year, that there was • reduction in the funded and unfunded debt of 29 millions: but that Right Honourable Gentleman had not repeated that statement this year, and he (Mr. Hume) was perfectly convinced it could not be correct. He found the charge this year amounted to 31,262,0001. and he had hiker) an average of the years 1814, IS, and 16, and also of the years 1817, 18, and 19, and lie found that the last year's charge actually exceeded the average of the la.t three years; so that we were actually paying more (exclusive of the Sinking Fund, which ought not to be brought into the comparison) in the last year than we paid on the average of three years ending 1819. The conclusion►, he believed, was quite correct, as he had arrived at it by two different methods of computation. As the first years of peace contained many charges relative to the war, lie would confine his view to the last four years, and within that period, so far from any re duction having taken place, we had actually in creased the charge 180,000/. He thought that, notwithstanding the declarations made that the estimates were brought toes low • scale as possible, they were still extravagantly high, and that the House ought to take immediate measures for re ducing it—not a few pounds, but four millions sterling ; and he should endeavour to point out how that might be done, but in the tirst to stance, he should wish to shew the House that our difficulties were increasing. It had indeed been tented by the Noble Lord, in reply to the Honourable Member for Abitigdon (Mr. Ma. berly), that a reduction of a million and u half bad taken place in the establishisieuts; but this was a prospective statement, and was such as the House ought not to go by. What had been dot*, what head .brew required, and what had actually been voted ? lit 1817, 13,951.0004 Was Voted ; in 1018, 14,310,000/. ; 1819, 14,322,000/. ; tie 1820, 14,878,0001.; and in 1821, 14,352,0001. The sums were for our whole mili tary and naval establi.l►ruents, and it would be seeu that they cost inure in 1821 by 401,8941. than they did in 1817, but less by 525,000/. as corn• pared with 1820; and was that a situation, he would ask the House, in which we might to re main ? The Honourable Member proceeded to contrast the expenses of the country in 1792 and the present time, the result of which was, that the charge fur the army and navy in 1791 amounted to 4,760,00 W. whilst this year the charge was 16.715,0001. being an increase. •s eonyared with 179 t, of upwanla of 11,000,000/. When the enor mous increase of our national debt was considered. it would, he thought, be one of the strongest reasons for the reduction of our immense este. blishments. He was aware of the difficult situation in which we stood. The Hon. Member fur York shire had declared 'that lie could not support his motaniv, because they were mere matters of opinion, •ud he weal disposed to rely on the opi -010111 oh the other side of the Hosse ; but an Rom Member on his (Mr. Hush's) side of the House declared he could not support him because they were iiwre matters of fact ; so that between the two he could hardly expect to find unanimity. But he • . would trust to figures, which a Noble Lord bad declared were invincible If the finance accounts were looked to, it would be found that the expense of the country had gone on iiicresoing : Is 1817 it was. ...... 68,710,01k1 la IBIS 88,821,000 la 1819 And in 1890 He confessed that he had, in the course . of this Session. occupied • considerable portion of the time of the Horse—(Hear, hear)—lout be remem bered some years ago the Noble Marquis taunted a Right lion. Gentleman with being too general, and had called out to him to name his items, amd it was therefore with • view of accommodating the Noble Marquis that he had gone so much into detail. He then went into an examination of the miscella neous4ervices, oat of which he contended the Right Hon. Gent. (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) had made his boasted savings, and that he had done by means of petting off to another year such items es 100,0001 for the Clergy, 250,0001. for harrarks, and 0,0001. for the Caledonian Canal; and lie again complained that the accounts were so per plexed that it was impossible for any one to coin pare them. Of the 1,232000/. for miscellaneous service., bethought the greater part might be saved without any damage in the country. In 1792 the regular army was 48,000 men, the artillery and marines were 8,100, the militia and ye -outstay 2.5,810, making a total of force of 91,000 men, whilst this year the total amounted to 249,999, being an increase of regulars and irregulars of 156,999 more in 1921 than in 1792. Certainly it reduction might be made in the house-had troops and guards, particularly when the great expense of the cavalry were considered. The Honour able Member proceeded to comment on the manner in which commissions in the army were filled sip. There was no less than 133 persons who had been put on the half-pay the day they had received their commissions, and something he thought ought to he done to remedy this perversion of the original principle in which hell-pay was originally granted. He contrasted this with the conduct of the Admiralty, who in the la,t four years had not given one new commission. In the army there had been in that period promotions from one rank to another of 1,448 persons, and 1,105 first commissions. making 2,563 steps; and whilst there were 9,037 officers on the half pay. at an expense of 812,5771. a year, only 317 officers had been promoted from that list. By the embodying of the eleven battalions of veterans, 247 officers had been transferred from the half-pay of the line to full pay at an expense of 13,0001. The next department to which the Hon. Member adverted was the Commissariat, in which he particularly remedied upon the es.iirinte for the maintenance of 2,400 horse., which, if they hod beets placed at livery, would not have amounted to the sum charged. He then enumerated the sums which he had proposed to reduce from the several branches of the Army Estimates, which, had his motions been agreed to, would have effected a saving of 1,663,127/. in the espetiditure for the army. With regard to the navy, the Hon. Member recapitulated the sums voted for Ins Wing ships during the last seven years, sheering by com parison thut the amount paid fur superintendence exceeded that expended fur labour, the estahlials meats in the several dock-yards, and the charges for the works at 'Sheerness, contending that 1,180,000/. might have been saved by a judicious curtailment of the navy estimates foe the current year. Ile then noticed the reductions which he had proposed on the ordnance estimatet, which would have present. ed a saving of 2,988,0001. The Him. Member then proceeded to review the financial system of the coun try. In June 1819, the Right Hon. the Chancellor of the Exchequer, he said, asked for 3,000,000/, of additional taxes, to enable him to establish a Sinking Fund of 5,000,000!. At that time lie was told that if he took 10,000,000/. he would nut hive • Slaking Fund of one farthing ; and aceurdingly it appeared from his own showing by papers on the table, that the surplus revenue of the country amounted only to 950,0001. the debt due to the East India Company which he would have to pay being considerably more than that sum ; f() that in fact Isis Sinking Fund was less than uothing, for instead of a surplus, his accounts would present a deficiency of revenue. He next proceeded to observe upon the charges for the collection of the revenue. The Receiver. -General received 44,0001. a ;sound. age, and the addition of ten month's interest on the amount of the permanent and current balances in their hands, made their gain from the public amount to 117,000/. The adoption of the course recommended by the Committee on the Of f ice of Receiver-General. by limiting their charge to 42,0001. would effect a saving of 76,6501. He had heard. however, with the greatest regret, that not withstanding the unanimous reconsourtidation of the Committee, Ministers had no intention of air ✓ring that recommendation into eliect.—(Hear, hear./-111 could not he done, lie understood, out an Act of Parliament, and there was no intro tiun to bring in any Bill for the purpose. He did say that the House bad a right to expect that such . a Bill should be brought in furiliwith.—elfierar,. keur.j—He would appeal to any klenther who had been on the Committee, to say, whether, if an idea had been entertained that Ministers would not bring in • Bill, the Committee would not have instructed the Chairmen to do it.—/Cheers./ If it was not done, it would only afford or.e more instance of the unwillingness of Ministers to adopt any thing in the shape of reform or retrenchment instil they were compelled.—/ Hear, hear./—ln the department of stamps, 88,000/. a veer was paid as poundage on the distribution of stamps, which individual, might he found to undertake on terms which would yield a saving to the public of from 40 to 50,0001. a year. In Scotland 6 per cent. was allowed, where q per cent. would be quite enough. By a revision of the collection of the rove= wue a saving of at least 1,050,000/. or 50 per cent. might be effected, which, added to the sums he had already ahewo might be saved front the expen diture of the army, navy, and ordnance, would pro duce a total raving of 4,289,0001. In order to en. force at least some puthou of those reductions, he should propose to take off from the taxes on candles, soap, leather, and salt, 3,300,000/. ; an amount which might well be spared from the re venue if the expenditure were reduced in the proportion above stated. This was yet in the power of the House to effect; fur although the Estimates had been voted, the Appropriation Act was not yet pnwed—fliear., Am, 1 —tied •,. fixed for Friday, and he wished Gentlemen to ob. serve that they would then have an opportunity of checking the extravagance of the Estimates, by striking off that amount from the items proposed to be appropriated to tweet them. The Civil List also would afford a very proper owl ample field for enforcing economy. If the House were sincere it: its desire of placing the IiIV4tICCS and the expendi- , Lure of the coontry on its proper footing, they would look to the rest and the west, and imitate the examples which might there he found. If they looked at France they would ►ee that the w King and the Government hail refused to scre:.6 the full amount of their appointments, until fiu■nces Should he in • state better able to aff.ii/ them ; and in America they would find that every individual in office had given up half his sdnrs. until the moony should be clear of its diffiepi., ties. Was Britain alone to exhibit is patfrrib of differeliee to the public burdens, on the part of t. c . public officer.? Britain bring placed in • si non of greater difficulty und emburrassmetit any etl►er country, ought more than any other f,r pursue the pith of economy, retrenchment, mid sacrifice. Private fortunes were only prererred from embarrassment by individuals living within , their meals.; so in I ke manner was public pros. perity to be secured by ►educing the establish. mental of the country, so as to confine its ex penditure within it. Moos.. He would not de.s tam the (louse with any loather observati , but would proceed to move a resolution to which her thought no man could object, not even the Minis. , tees themselves, if they were sincere in the proles. roils of economy which they had both publicly and privately made.—/Lead ehetring.)—He then. concluded by moving am humble Address to his iltrjesty, praying, that with a view of agirding re• lief to the country at large, he worth' be graciously pleased to direct a strict examination lotto every haunch of the public expenditure, a careful reci►ion of all places and allowances, and u reduction of the tit:tither of the army, and other establishments of the country. The Nlarquis or Trots Toot having been absent during most of the discussions on the Estimates, was happy to hike the opportunity of seconding this motion, to do the Hon. Gentleman who herd just sat dots.' an act of justice, by acknowledging the value and importance of the services which he had rendered the country by his zealous exertions, which had placer! liiin high in the estimation and coo& &nee of the people of England. —(Cheers.)-- While, however, he did justice to the zeal, activity. mid perseverance of the Ha►. Member, he must be allowed to ray that be could not but lament to see that any necessity should have existed for dragging before their view the minute details of of ciel ar rangements through which they had toiled. He. was sorry to see the House deputing from its ancient and constitutional practice, and taking m► itself any part of the functiota► of the Executive- Govenuent.— ( Cries of hear, hear, hear. ) U oder ranting circumitiances, however, with. a Ministry obstinately persevering in profit gate expenditute and waste of public money, stud determioedly opposed to the adoption of any plan of economy, he was ready to admit that perhaps the ouly way or enforcing retrenchment was by adopt ing the course which load been taken by the Hon. Member for Aberdeen, and which he had followed with so much► ability ; rod, at least this good effect would be derived from his Lebow', that they would shew the country how vain..atimo the attempts in that Mouse to reduce any esittlates which the Ministers choose to lay hef6Ve'..ll. After time experience which he had had, h. hoped the Hon. Gentleman would feel that it was useless and uoirecessary to persevere in that course which lie had been following. Fur the immense patron age possessed by Miniatera in the enormous sta n d list army kept up iii a time of peace, with the avow ed object of keeping the people down—the immen.e patronage which they also derived front the places, offices, penitents, amid honours at their disposal, secured them such an influence in Parliament that it must appear in vain to expect any thing but a majority iu favour of whatever they might pro pose. The ties of gratitude, sander such circum stances, were alone sufficiesit to insure it, without the slightest reference to any corrupt nature or in terested expectations. The Noble Lord then ad verted to the late vote fur the repeal of the Hus booby Horse Duties, which, he said, reflected link credit ou those who, having voted for the Estimates, then turned round on the Noble Lord, 1111 d cut off the means of paying those establish ments which they hod voted lot keeping up.—. Before he eat down, there was one subject on which he trusted he might be allowed to offer • few ob.. serrationv. There was nothing which appeared to his mind more repugnant to the Bntish character than the arming of one part of the community against the other. It was not without regret, therefore. that lie heard of the advice which had been given to his Majesty to assemble • large mili tary force around the nietrupolie previous to the. approaching coronation. Was that the wry in which the people of Eugland right les be treated ? Why should they always be treated as foes to the Kiog and his Government ? Why were they always treated on every public occasion, as if it were necessan• keep them down by force ? He objected to:ening the military force employed as a body of police on all occasions of public ceremony. This was le the way iii which Kings of England in former .ta• w were accustomed to be attended she, ref-. this was not the way in which King. of Eslr I were accustomed to hold their coronatitms. Nns could lie for a smarm assent to its Deers-11y or its expediency iu this instance; for outwitt. staiiilitig the representations of Ministers, and their coostent deuut►eiattons of discontent and disaffec. tom, notwithstanding the hostile feelings called up by the late proceedings against the Queen, he was convinced it was only necessary for the Kite; to shew !himself in public, to meet with the good' will and affection of the people. He thought therefore that those who had given such advice; to his Majesty were unworthy of his conlidetice. Mr. BANIIKS, in reply to the concluding remarks of the Noble Lord who had just sat down, could not refrain from stating that as far as his memory served, it ways usual on all occasions of public ce remony to have a large body of troops in attend ance as a matter of parade. He could not hell , observing also that the Noble Lord had assumed • tone of despondency with regard to that Houses