The Statesman. — London, England, 1810-03-20 00:00:00

ISPERIIL I'AIiLIAMEN7'. HOUSE OF LORDS, MARCH 19. Cowart were heard on the A pval of Ilasterton v. 'Heckle- Julia, which was ordered to be resumed on 'Wednesday nest. The Earl of LIVERPOOL presehted the-Fleet Pasco Debtor; Petition. Tee Mutiny Bill 'mu read a third time, and passed. Lord DARNLEY moved for Returns of the British forces. engaged during the war, and of the lows the service had sus tained. The Earl of LIVERPOOL did out oi:pose the 31otlea in the Ant bet:ince. Lord MELVILLE moved for Returns of British ships of war iu harbour, of those ernplased by Government, io the King's yard, and in those of irruiThatit!: ; of hired armed ves sels and foreign ships of war; of docks laid for ships, and ve .2.p4irs shipping„ap to the Ist of Jammer. MO. ' • • After a short discussion b.nween the Duke of Norfolk, Lords .Mulgrave, Melville, and Darnley, the motion was put awl carried. His Lordship then moved for an account of the artificers employed iu irk Majesty's dock-yards, with the period of their labimr, and the specitication of their em ployment. This motion was opposed by Earl GREY, hut finally pared. the LORD CHANCELLOR pretested a Bill. framed • according to the directions of the !douse, by Cie Jotters. the (third 04*-4shich was, to collect into rate Act all the penal laws which inflicted the punishment of death fur resisting the levying of the revenue dues. His Lembhip ',lien moved that the Bill he laid on their Lurdship; - ; table.—Ordered. Air. Allow presented at the Bar an .aceinint of the receipts Mid disbursements of the Comtiii , Aoneri for superinteadiug the Navigatift of the Thanies.—AllieUroed. HOUSE OF COMMONS, Maxon 19. This was the last day for receiving Private Bills. The Kildare infirmary Bill was read a first time, and or dered to be read a second time. -The Liverpool Water %%lists Bill was read a first time. Tbeaecond reading of the ltutherhithe Dock Bill ;so, post pneetito Thursday next. Sri WILLIAM (,15it TB moved for leave to bring in a Bill for the Further Improvement of Sr. George's Fields, the Surrey side of Blackfroirs.—Leave given. The Hoontir•ible Baronet then brought up the Thames No- vigation, the Blackfriars Sunday Toll, and the St. George', • Field.: Improvement Bills, which were read a first, and or slered to be rend a second time. Mr. MANNING brought up the Report of the Committee • on the London Docks Bill. The Aberdeen Harbour Bill was brought up and read tr and ordered to he read a second time. The Commercial Duck Bill was read a first time. Mr. MF.LLISII brought up the Portsmouth WateriVorks • fill ; read a first,und ordered to be read a second time. lie liken ise brought up the Paddington Cbutch-)ardlll9, Which • 111/IS also read a first time. General LOFT brought up the Great-Yarmouth Water 'Works Bill.—Read a fist time. , Pic Rolls Lihertt Ante Hill was ra.d a first time. ' The D.o mouth amid Bill win read a first time. • Mr. YNG brought up the Report of the (7onitnittee ap ,pointed to comider of the expediency of giving novice of any intention to bring in a Bill in Parliammt for the maintenance .and employment of the Poor of any Pe&sh or District. The' Resolutions were read and agreed' to ; and, tm the Motian of Byug, were made a Standing Order of the House. The Suilidk A 'size Bill, for removiug Ike A.ssilet•from Bury St. , Edmund's to Ipswich, was read a first thoe,and or dered to be rrad a second tune this (lay say weeks. Mr. SHAW presented a Peti.ino from the Distillers ofl •Dablin aghlost the Irish Distillery Bill.---Ordered to lie on the table.. • The Bermondsey Paving Rill was read a first time.. A Message from the Lord, announced their Lorsktops' con sent to the I'darino hbrioy A person from the Stump Wire presented an Account of the total Arrears thereof. • Mr. Johnstone, from the Chigf Secretary's (Mice in Ireland, .presented certain Papers front the Conmahsliners of Pitbik Accounts iillrelimd.—Ordered to be printed. N EW TH EA TRE. Sir JASIES SHAW brought tip a POltion from .the subscrib,ers for the erectiOu of a new `Theatre in the city of London.. • The Petition ateted, that 1n CinigeqUelire of tot! j subscribers haying applied td the Privy Gpineirrur a licence fur a - new Theatri, for the erection of ,which :hey had already prayed for leave td bring in a 13111 to that House, they had not had time- to submit the matter to the consideratiou of a Com mittee up stairs, and were nut tkereftwe yet pre-, pared with their *ll. As the time fur (Jib reeep_ lion of Ptioate Bills had nosy expired, they had to pray fur leave to postpone the bringing in the Bill fur three weeks, by which time they would have an opportunity of weighing the matter with due deliheratiim, and learning the decision of his Majesty's Privy Council. - , ' Mr. SHERIDAN' could not help expressing his astonishment that the Petitioners, in the present instance, although so much time had elapsed, should have been unprepared with their Bill. It *as the most extraordinary case he hid ever heard of: they had kept their intention hanging over the head of the House to the very last day of the period appointed for receiving Bills, o ithout giv ing the slightest notice to those persons whom their intentions so immediately concerned. The Peti lien had been referred to a Committee up stairs on the Bth of February, and, front that moment to the present, they had nut thought prilper to call together the Committee to consider of a propose lion, the injustice of which, if adopted, would , be unparalleled since tLe reign of Charles the Se cond. On the very face of their_ Petition there was an untruth, as they there asserted they hall . applied to the Privy Council for a Licence, with which the Privy Council could have nothing to do. The fact was, their application to the Privy Coun cil was an appeal against the decisioe of the Atter ney and Solicitor Generals, to whom the qocstien of erecting a new Theatre had been referred, and who declared, in the most unequivocal manner,. that such a step would bean act of.lhe greateet :Ostler; and their (Nett was, in OpiinSitiOn to this opinion, to be made a chartered Corporation. They now wanted to justify their own neglect, by apretence that they were delayed ...by the King in Council. The good people of London' Indl de- Oared themselves enemies to ittonopely ; but the measure they were pursuing with so much injustice and oppression, was of the very stamp they were si) loud in condemning. • To use a t i shioiiable phrase, however, they were desirous of having two strings to their bow. if they gained their purpose, those persons who were injured would certain' .y be entitled to compensation in proportion .to their hisses, as in the case of. the Duke of Richmond, `and the mooring chains of Lord Bid dulph ; but according to chartered right, it *as impossible their application cobld be complied with. It was contouled by the friends of the Pe titioners, that their object was fur the Public guutl—that they intended to make the stage more mural, and that by competiloti the aisole would be improved. These a . cre certainty very- disinte rested motives ; but he must beg leave to shobt theca, although so respectable a titan a= t':e. bird Mayer of London was at the head et tits list of subscribers ; indeeti j he did nut know whether , i 1 t I i 1 r •.. I •". dm Petition would not have come witiv b etter grace-'from Alderman Smith intli*dually. trusted that Mr. Cumberland was not an adyotate for this substitute for churches and chapels; that gentleman's talents would at all times merit the at. tentiun of the coutributors to the amusements of the, putijic ; apd ke could . certainly not feel any want of prompi attention to his productions, which acre all times calculated to elicit admira tion. Sir JAMES SHAW begged to exculpate him. self from any of those imputations which had fal. len from the Hrii,4entletnan. lie had no inte. rest in the subject, and was merely applied to by the Subscribers in his capacity of a AlerAber of that Ilon4. ••• SHERIDAN did not Mean most distantly to make any personal allusions to the Hono [tragic Baronet. Mr. BROWNt obServed, that whatever opi. Mott the. Hontittrable Gentleman (Mr. Sheridan) had of the subject in qeestion, he thought this was not the period for stating it. Bo his sentiments what they might, he (Mr. Brnwni) 'would Beier sliiitik'frout the discussion.. He did tutt expect. hO s sievtle, from that honourable Gentleman's manly mind, tti heat the measure to which he had adverted vhltratterized as an act of injustice and oppression. The Gentlemen who were the pro moters of the plan, would be as far as any men in the country from conduct uhich could deservesuch an attack. Mr. SHERIDAN aid his observations merely went to condemn the twain of candour that hail been evinced by the Gentlemen alluded to, in not giving a due notice of their real . ntentions. The question was then pet, and the prayer of the Petition agreed to, namely, that the Bill; if prepared, is to be received this day three weeks. The House resolved lobo the Committea to con sider on the policy and conducptyho.Expetlition to the•Seheldt, pro forma; in annsAirtee with thel Motion of Sirjohn Anstrather, Who wished to -present two letters whicieho bed•recrived after the Committee had finished ‘hair . alsareinatlifill which • soot to explain certain parts' of , •the evidence of ' Sir Home Popham. , LOCAL PIILITIA. Mr. Secretary RYDER ruse in pursuance of his notice relative to some amendments he intendeill to proposein *lie laws respecting the Local Miii. • tia, in doing lie should eudeavour to re medy those inconveniences which had hithertO been experienced, bat which it was imposSible to guard against at the first formation of the Arts. 'file first point he had to ativeit to was the: diminution of expenees•u hid' had been accompiislied, by re ducing the number of non-commissioned Officers to one fouttlt the original regulation, and by .changing the number of days of exercise its the year, front 28 .to 22. By these re nations tire total ditniuntion of expences was 348,0001. patristic num ; without the least inconvenience or detriment to these rice. Another regnlation he had to pro pose, Was, for the purpose of enabling the Ccie'rts. Martial to sit after the days of training had ex- - pited, for.olfences committed during the period of I exercise. This was a meaSnrir oto reesonabli4 that he apprehended there would be no objectiowaw it. lie should likewise propose 'to dlininish the num bet Of thyt necessary fur the - Vuluitteers to vier- . fist., in order to, exempt •tham from the Militia Acts, and to reduce them to the same faith* Liabil Militia.. There were several Other amend. meats he should propose w hen he brought the Bill, wbich he should now beg leave to move for. • The - Right Honourable Gentleman then mewed for leave to bring lit a Bill to amend the Local Militia 1.. ts. 'Mr. expressed his regret that the Right Hon. - Gentletnau had conflued himself within so small a limit io his proposed amendments, and was particularly sorry be bad nut proposed to con. sQlitlate the whole of the Acts on this subject, in . one, ae , by having occasion to refer to so many Acts, the _greatest inconvenience was felt by the" Lieutenants of Counties. The Hon. Gentleman then suggested two other alterati:nts. 'rite _first, with respect .to exemptions. Taw wereo great s number. of persons, he said, exempt front the Local Militia, who, - he thought, were nut en titled. If a Nair man refused to serve, he was bible to pay a' fine; he did net see any reason why a medical man should not be considered is well able to pay a fine as a carpenter. The next he proposed to the consideration of his Right Hon. Friend, was with *limn to the 42d clause, which stipulated That the Local Milita should be subject • to.the Mutiny Act in time of war.. Ile thiteght, as this force was to be assembled in lime of peace, it would be proper that they should be equally.. 511hject to the Mutiny Act at one time us well as another. Thu Hun. Gentleman con cluded by repeating his observations on the neces sity of a consolidation of the Acts, which were at present so complex, as to create incalculable ditficolties. Mr.. A DDIN.QTON supported the Met: ati of Mr. 'Giles, as did Mr. Whitbread ; and Mr. Secretary RYDER. expressed his intention to comply with all the •propositions, except that relating to the consolidation of the Arts, w he could not promise to accomplish before next Sessions. Leave was theta given to brim in the • . SPAIN. Mr. WIIITBREA U expressed a hope, that his Honourable Friend (Mr. Sheridan) would beam no objection to •postpone his -Motion relative to tae Spanish Question, whiolt stood .for Friday next, till after the discussion on the Schelilt Ex pedition. Mr. SHERIDAN, after 'a few . observations, agreed to the proposition, and at the 'same time deferred his Motion, which stood for that evening, relative to the Benehers of Lincoln's Inn, until Frith)/ next. The Committee of the Embezzlement Bill was postponed to Thursday next. Mr. 11. THORNTON,- after a few prefatory o bs e somioes, moved fur an account of .all•ltelt saints on time Civil List in Scotland for the 'three years, 1808, 9, and 10, together with a socei lie:llion of those granted since Jane 1808, with their dates and amounts. *. • . TkIE STATESMAN. • .- i- ~ The Petition rest e a tin g Ardglas Harbour, af. ter a few• words from Sir John Newport and Mr. W. Pule, was referred lb the Commiitee of Supply. . . The Royal Marine Muliny and the Salt Duty' -. Pills wise read trthirel time and passed. ""it ! • FINANCIAL RESOLUTIONS. t The House resolved itself into a CummittellP the whole *Reuse, on certain Financial Rego 7 (ions. ' • ' . Mr. 11. MARTIN said, he rose in consequence of the notice -he had given, to bring forward his motkou, by which he should submit to the consi-• deratioit of the Douse, the necessity there was that the [louse Should pay attentiou to the Third Report of the Committee of Public Expenditure. lie was sure; after the pledges the House loot given, that 'they would not fail to attend to-the very iatportant point of economy in the expentli tureof the public money ; and that it was highly neeesshry to do so as soon as possible, he thought no one would doubt 'or deny ; fur when they looked at the enormous- expenditure of the re venue, it was their duty to attend particularly to the sabject; even thong!' no Doti& hal been taken, or mention wade of it in the speeches from tit: Throne. In 'the tirade of pensions only, the whole anoteut was stated at 1,300,0001; 'and fluting!' he was willing to concede t h at matey of the items *ere in sonw 'measure necessary, such as piutsious to those who really deserved them, to the younger branches of 1110 ittoral'Familyt &c. yet even (hose stuns, when attentively consider ed, would furnish argtinorts for the necessity of curtailing the public expellees. Though he be. lieved there wouhl be no opposition to the prituci. ple of the Resolutions, yet the Right Iloonueable the Chancellor of the Eachequer had deemed it necessary to bring forward *dither set of Resolu tions, some of which fie eduressed he preferred to his own, particularly the two first,- which he would certainly agree to adopt instead of his own ;•litit on the Whetu he did not think they went so far as his did. nother Hen. Gentle in in oo the fluor below him (Mr. Moica) lour ; I also, as he undorsteml, .prepared a third set of Roioltilions. That Hon. Gentleman had cer-. (ably paid great attention to . .the state of the finances, and his opinion could not but have great' weight with the House and .with the country. For his (Mr. Martin's) pint, he w 4.4 not wedded to his own plat), but Mould be 'ready to adopt any that should appear to be pireferahle. The Com.. Ithittee of-Public Expendintre bad, in 1790, sug- I gested the propriety of abolishing certain Law Offices ; but since that Wee, no notice had been taken of the recommendation. Ott the contrary, eatery o ffi ce, and even Reversion, had been filled I up ; Reversions and Peasione given to Musters in Chancery and others, which practices called loudly on the House to pay attention to the recommen dation of the Committee. The Judges' salaries 1 had since that time been increased, and pensioui granted on their retirement, all which might be very proper ; but lie thought the. Honig of Cum ' tosisshould have attended to the mode. of doing it , •,, itti t, iti! winking' it a burden oli the people: H o Alto Abided to a pamphlet latecrpuhlished by a - Right lion. Oentleenan opposite-(Mr. Rote), and .. .skit ithetatidiug the run lid aesertions contained in it, he ( NI r.Martiet) l was certaimthet the influenceof the Crown had atnermously increased sipce the time of efilr.Dunning's Resole . tions'on that subject,in 1780. :Whether he looked-to the increase of `the army, (he navy, • the drtloance,. or the• pensions granted Jut defiance of Mr. , Burke's Bill, the increase of the influence of the Crown' was immense ; beil it oat infinitely more si., in Conicquence of the etior., mons increase of taxes, stein ;the' modes of Cot-. letting them. In the year 1780, 'when Mi. Dunning moved his retiolutieds, 'the National Debt war something More teen 184,000,0001. On • the sth of January this year, it amounted to 781,000,0001.- and the iuterest to 29472,0001. which was an increase of from live to six times ' the amount. At that dine the Army Establish. inent was 837 general 6e14 officers, now they were 2080, all deriving their commissions . from the Crown. The expenditUre Of the army was then 6,000,0001. it is now 19,432 1 0001. The ordnance expeuditure was Alen 1,500,13001 it is ne,w 3,813,0001. The commissioned: o facers were at t t hat time 1 , 814 , th e y were !row 4,60(1, , The et pence of the navy was then 0,000,0001. last year lit wits 19078,0001. Ail this be should think ,I, sufficient to sheer that the ineuence of the Crown I had not been diminished. But added to these, the Right Huneurable Author of this pamphlet had totally forgotten the fertile fields Of the Barrack Establishment, the Transport Board, and the Board of Contrnul. From all these.statemeelfs, • he thought the House would hardly beliete that the influence of the Crown was on the wade. Mr. Berke's Bill stated, that MI the Pensious from the Crown should be confined to 00,0001. a tear,' it was afterwards extended to 90;0001, anti if it had been 61111 0 n9Cessasylia gokittether, - ft'shdtild hare I !Will done openly, find natty subterfuge, such as grate ting Pensions tiedPubliOffices,&e.as had since . been done. ' TheSe'meins, to which he had afield eel, enabled the Crown 'to grant larger Pensions than was the intention of Phrlitnieett : they *ere limieed in their extent by Mr. llorke's bill to liool. a year, but they have-since been iucreased to upwards of 50001. and it was with a view to bring those pensions under 'the e cottelderation and ,increciise of . Parliament, that he now brought Forretartk+4.ool4Maltams.. : tie Mewed the country at tun had a rigiki.is‘magest from the House that. Something should be dune, in consequence of thp 'Third 'Report, to which. he had :lauded; two yews had, however; miw — claptied, and in) notice' whatever had been lakew at it. If* alluded to the office of Register of the Melt Court of Admi. ratty, in ,which theltight Hon. the Chancellor of the Exchequer 'had a revel - On:easy interest ; the emoluments of that office amounted to 13,0001. a. year ; 80001. aayear elf which arose froin• the tno. trey of the suitors in that. Court. ' lie onlefoilf thercfore, wish to bring in I Bill to abolish that part immediately. The offices of the Tellers mid ' Auditor of the Exchequer bad been altotislied by a;majt,rity of fire only. . i tti: was extreme!! desi. l I mes the H ouse should preiceed, aunt come to a de. I .tyrusittati o la ems i tlie eeltject _Otis vety.l* . tdift, sued he- I • .—rruni!mg toordithlth' would therefore abstain from cletai-1------; longer by any further remarks, consei "l"- 0 7 6 4 , had already trespassed considerably on their tieucc. He should be willing toadopt the Resolutions of the 'Chancellor of th e E e ,,,,,' 31 in preference to :owe. The Brit was then read from the Chair to full • purport : • .. 1 . ec:otto rha m t y it is is i t ia se rtt:u P l i VrlYte f t essa hi s r C y n i m a in e i s tt e e t e y ttut b ruc t al t , t " - abi ll dt t 'pan who n o r itihaedPjuutsittlesaEtxdpeoatlwinte,rebe. begged Mr. ROSE, in consequence of the An a had . been made to a pamphlet of which It "ether, ley.the•litatiourable4a t a `kastli Honourable Member, that he had not arke r .e. 6 ' him in any part of that work. Re had , assorted in it, and wished then to repeatah,T 6 Lion, that the savings in public Ac es ha already been made , had not been soffi c , c ,;j v verted loin the discussions upon this subjeci ti a ti; bassi put his name to the pamphlet, in any inaccuracy existed in it, it might he qti ed, and he called upuniii his place to aeesti‘ nt fs i it, lie was ready to admit, that the Ileeo Gentleman was correct in his statenme , k t emocint of the public debt ; but th e B en : Gentleman had failed to state hew the iner the debt lead augmented the influence of thee r For himself, he could protest that he did not IC:nT how the influence of the Crown could b e i ve by that means. The lienk bed the entireties,. meet of the debt —re few additional Clerks ist be required in the Bank, but the Government hi no- influence in their oppointment. From the Hon. Gentleman had peueemled to the rt venue, from whicklaeasserted that the Cre w; de rived additionalinfitience. But la that, the 11l itooesible and Learned Gentleman had shewn lie had not read the pamphlet, or he mast te, known, as there stated, that fur an inere asee t4 millions of debt only thirty or forty additional at fivers had been appointed, exclusive of those+ pointed in the Customs, for the advantage and i t . commeniation of the merchants. The Lo rae j Gentleman had then proceeded to the army* navy, the augmentation of which, le centendal, I had added to the in fl uence of the Crew°. Oldie he knew no more than the HoneurableandLeue ed Member—for, during the twenty years that had served in the Treasury, he had tieverknowai any improper interference in that particular, le chaste had Mr. Pitt beets in that respect, that h t never made any recommendation that would inter. fere, witiewnrofesaiowal dame. ' Surely theliasiii able Gentleman could not mean that rmy the a lei . navy should be reduced, to diminish the Wilma of the Crown. Ia his allusion to the Biota Department, theTransportOffice, and the Boards( Centroul, the Honourable and Limenoi Gentle man had also shelve, that he hada* read the panic phlet, because all the additional Officers in thee &pertinent, were particularly enumerated in it. It .the Honourable Member Would make a moot fur such a return as that stated by Iffm to hare *ow moved for by Sir Grey Cooper, lie abieddie " - treacly to second the motion. When Oe Dalleo( Gloucester's pension was transferred to thefmr and a half per cents. that fund wall-tra *Om years in arrear. Ike admitted, that -Mr. Barke's Bill enacted, that no pensions should be toidepayr able but at the receipt of the Exchequer, and that ,there was something irregular its the contrarypred tice—hut the Resolution . of his Right Rosouraile Friend would correct that defect in future. hi Auditor's Ofilce was the only one which had been suppressed without full compensation fo the oil. cars. At present the public accounts were as accurately audited as those ,of any private in. dividual—but before the suppression of the former office, the public accounta had been audited sail passed by inferior Accra, and not by the Astfh tors themselves, .1114,amphlet he had published, without any view to qepresent Or any other.dis. '.cession ; and if there sh e ds any inaccuracy kit e lie should be very ready to correct it, if any Geer. Benue should prove the iticorrectness. Mr. CItEEVEY lied read the pamphlet of thi Right lion. Gentleman, and had no hesitation saying, that it ippearial to him to . amount tee complete delusion of the public on the object to which,it referred. • If the Right Hen. Gotha:is had meant to deal fairly or candidly, .be sb otldt have, in the enumeration of the places abolished, andkcreated, set them down each against theater, so as to enable the public to forts a correct] silent upon the subject. In fact, the reduetioe ' offices which had taken place, was but as $ dra? of water in the ocean. The _Right Hoe. Go". had asserted, that he entered in his pamphlet ielo f a full detail respecting the Barrack Departatesli: whereas he bad only stated the amoutat of thenn• natal salaries of the . officers in• that dePartmcw' Bat could the Right II oii. Gentleman say, that tbe• 4 . 5,0001. paid in salaries, . was the. only source of' i:tNHence to the Cut a.u.,?-Tiro-ftwtr ?oh mra of the Itcp"Orts of the Comedssioners of Military In. Ooiry would have infitrmetl him that the first liar.: rack .master-Gcneral hid expendeal ninewillluusof . motley in the btrvitteSs of that &partition. Cold: hot the Right lion. Gentleman have kneels ' h "' the system in its. origin was a source of Mot!! to the Crown; by Bic contracts it gave ris e sof . ()wild he -net have felt that in its cottilloncc,! it would ever be productive of the sanicellect... These contracts extended over cvt •ry, part of lit 4!.. 'kingdom, and were a metre of government Wh ence. The Right :Hon. Gent. should therefut have Junked to the whole expenditure o f l 0" d e partomtit, and nut have confined his obstivatiyi to the salaries amounting annually to 45 ? ( Pu t . , Did the formation of military elicits and "". 0 ";,' roads, the estaltlislimeni of atilitary military colleges c protlocc ntisterease or Aloe : to the Crown ?- Did_ the • establishment of I'l. Mims nut add .to that intlifetice of the Cr n „,. The increase of the 'alai jet. pf , the Judge' dia,and the grant of Pensiankeo.thtie usi by Making' incl. Olives • obj COIF tti , gliCale r e ‘ l eo ..• 'rlitenee, added) to the ..iiodiwtret of the Ca t. " tie Ife coufsl Feta to the` Rase of the late Chief J , 002 of IletigaF, for whom he liad a high ravel , % , ,, e • that of Sir W. Ourro ws,- who had brew" of that !locle., bulk, of whom had tic'n iu tide 'hubieuf -with - Geretrasueeir. tee " _a...i~ 11" 4 .2 ovaileu finally, no t the Ministc Avian ItlilCes have to wok if I.lli l C Ol 141 v Cid, En u u ieri Had ur at A sal not kn to earn HO n • the IWO, it COU" 1%1 aw G,