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this most sometimes occur in consequence of an occasional glut and reaction, and if tbe Noble Lord tool examined, be would have found that many of our manufacturers were Ma most flourish. big cluditinii, end cone of them in • had state. It should also be reruembezed that different circuits ptalic-s brollifirtheir differeat remedies. and if the Ignier was rumor/kJ 1a ugh0m 44 _....!! to* a *AIM the distress arising jyrisat le - *setae labouring classes was obviated by the lowness of piovisions. In this manner ciresietwiteweeee prorated . ffegtiaet loch GAON and no legisiatilie measures should interfere she tem erhei ehich would be opplted in the CWIIIO* of time. He now comelo thequestion'of reduction, thud on this sulijiit he i tabst ear be woo certainly of opi nion th it, ie fir' ns it could be done consistent with the public iecurity, economy Wes the best remedy ihet could he applied. It hrougbt with it none of tire evils which follow the other measures proposed. :Ind tie must say that the Noble Lord had not done illke to ttie Government, in saying they had in. • tituted no'. such nig - nines with a view to ecouoush, fur even iii the present year a reduction had been inside of 1.800,000 r. arid' he could assure their I .ord obi pa there was atXtnirnest eudelyour on the earl. of the Gniethillent lo iiiake every possible reduction. Some time ago it hail been 101111t1 necessary to in crease the tnilnary eshib.lislinient of the country ; hat there was no es todisposition on the part of hies ail Ministers to take the earliest moment to reduce tier levee - which had been found neceee parr - fur the . sichrity of the country, nor tad the Osivernmei;t 'been :dilatory in making mild back as 1817, an inquiry hts;t been inaat tiled nto the de,partinent of the Cua. tonni ; end in this department a reduction best tureiraetoally made of IMMO/. a year, end a still farther reduction Of '200,0001. was progeeas. it weir impossilile theie reductions could be made Whit once, without gross injustice to individuals. Yrei Most take unto consideration these offices, which time had created; you cannot avow ladies trios), and laborious Pervious oat of einploymeut. if this were done, it would create a greater and a inure cruel distress than any now existing. o that department and in all others investigations Ited tweti set on foist, with a view to reduction ; they were now in progrese,and welds, be as rap d sr timid he without injustice. He next cattle to the eleparlinenis of the Army, Navy, and Ciidnonce. and he perfectly agreed that every reduction should he made consistent with the safety of the State; but he wished to remark upon one of the observe lions or the Noble *Lord. He had talked of the member of ships, and said that 84 sail of the line was quite sufficient to meet any emergencies that may arise. He wee ready to Milli! that ; but their Lordships were not to consider that these Alpe w-ire always stationary, or constantly kept up, sod it would be found that the wear and tear, rsiiii and loss of ships, was in many respects as ;2-rest to nine of peace ns in time of war. H the ships were always to last, the arguaseut might hold good, but if you set out with any given number of Otto* you must always allow a certain proporticai to wear out. Upon the other point* Ire should not trouble their Lordships. He lolly concurred ilia as much as could be done in the wiiy of public economy should be effected. The House must recollect the consideratde increase of the pay of the army and navy since IM, and it was ti imeeessary to say that the peewit itate of things would not Mont a return to that stetschied. On the general abstract question of economy, be fully concurred with the Noble Lord ; the peculiar , j cireumatsuces of the . country cal'ed (sir the most extreordinary retrenchrbetil, and many things should he done away 'with which one would be reluctant to p.irt with, and under more favourable circum s/ances ehootit be mantel. He could not, however, agree to the Address proposed, end he for his OWII part should wash to move the previous question; but es an Address had been carried in the other House, and as it would be a satisfactiou to the country to know thet there existed a dispositiou to relieve their distresses, he should propose an amend ment to the Address of the Noble Lord as follows : Tist an bumble Address be presented to Ms Ma jesty, to assure his Majesty that we have regarded with satisfaction the measures which have been taken ky his M..jesty's commands fur a general revision of ths deyariseent of the Customs in Great Britons, sad tq cutest his Majesty to give directions that a Blasi. lar investigation may be extended to ail the other branches of the Revenue, is order to reader its collitetioa more economical, aid its saamigesiest awe ethnical; that, for the purpose of •11:.,rding a further relief to the country, his Majesty will he pleased to order a minute inquiry into the I dvpariasents of tlw Civil Ceassernmeat, sr well with a view 10 mincing the number of persous employed in those departments, whieh,front the gem increase of busi. now, were amemeated daring the lase war, a* with referames to the increased salaries granted to iadividuals sloes the Year 1197, either in consideration of the additional labour thrown upon them dosing that period, or of the diminished value of money :—And further, that his Majesty will be gra chastely pleated to dreet that every possible seviag whine can bs made, without detriment to the public interest, shall be effected is those more extended establishaseats which flee musky is obliged to maintain for the safety and defence of the Voided Kingdom and it. dependencies, and more espe esaWy io the . swilitary expenditure, by a reduction in the num bers orals, way, sad by a constant sad vigilant superin• !roulette, over that and all she ,ither departments connected with tee application of the ample supplies granted by this GROSVENOZ said, he had no hesitation in giviii4 the preference to the Address of his Noble friend (Lord Darnley). This was not the first time their Lordships bail heard the Noble Earl opposite exprits himself favourable to economy-- in. bad often heard him repeat eerbatirn what he bed stated to-night. The year before last, when he (P. irl Gro-veitur) had the honour to submit a *propoxion to the House for the reduction of our sailitary establishments, the Noble Earl had ea lif4l4Cil himself in u manlier. but said that yeetelier circumstances rendered their continuation Hecesilsiv. We were now in the *email year of Wade, soil now for the first time we were told that sine might look forward to some retrearbiwrist. tie was surprised the Noble Earl was 1101 disposed lO'tneet his Noble Friend out the questioe of the #itty, essay, or ordnance. It was the constant litabllce of 'that Noble Earl. alien the distresses aitni tetedistry were ingsatiossed, to draw a compari. Ofiteen the state or . A Merles, Pi laud , sod littleil s - bist he had furgotten to Wok to Frence. 10-416 416 lie had not gone Or leitit:ls '4,r ... t yin g that rre we. in title j anti what sae reiference to be dl'iwn Irani Ilia? Why, that the,' fd conquering cbuhfry, would wish to amuse iebtolliltin' with France, the conquered country.-. Sot it by uo maws followed that because Ante. f. i 4 Its the" w • lens ibis excess had appeared above AMINO tithe appressokion armor; . to, Ms thoogitt it quite ummeessary.. irkei had %Ikea the oaths of allegiance 6146 Majesty. It weld *sewer no purpose, it was a most neeeeeseary prose; bed slits more, he thought it a most brieditioes ea, Mid be thseght it wait * most injedienses advice for the Ser. 4 waits of the Crown to recommend ibis ceremay ender the pieseal eireamatences. No molter what the law of the teen slight be—supposing it to be quite clear oa the sadiject— elsposolegthat her Majesty bed no rightte pattielpste in Ibe emwmesty, still, as a matter of grace sad favour, it wee a Ewa iajwiditiore advice to exclude her. And lot them set think she law quite clear, nor depend wetlands epee the only precedent, that of Henry I'll. beating it was at that time apprehended that the marriage el HCII4 to hie Queen, Eliseatio, had taken place before , Hot Corona .loa, whereas it did not *emir until after the . ccrewiony. Ye themight the Corisuattoe weld oniy ,be agreeable, Igasesoeh u it accorded with the wishes of the pantile ; ' I. ad unless it was milecompanied by any alloy—um less therehatee , could view it with Ch an benevolence wad dbitotereeted seal, and biotorteet record it its terms of high eloimewee•—aelese the Peet Unrest emstil.deeeribe It in the eathiudastie similes of eatioual (reline, anti oat in the hioaaage of servile fiattery...noless be could paint it is the glowing coleare of a national festivity, " ig thoughts 'bet 'breathe and words that burn," it plater. But mat he deplored most of ll was a m ina that hod gone abroad that the omeateay we. to be eitemiled by the military. He (aid not conceive • greater instill to the Sovereign than to seclude his sub . jects from the splendid spectacle by files of troops. It W 44 net through soldiers, bat through his subjects, that his t Majesty should proce ed to tome the Crown placed on hli had at the attar of his God. If it were neceenery be whet security shpt soldiers should adore this oplasidid caveman ILI them be so arraiegedas not to raolude the people r-. I sight of their Sovereigti. • lad MELVILLE "said, be shook] not occupy the time etre Neese in atleveting so the general topics which had Men istreihieed, hot should briefly anemic to Motown depart. meal. The-Noble Load then went Into ware details memo& Mg . the navy and navy stereo, and amused the WNW 140 etimiderable reelections were in rupees. The FAA of CAR NARYON preferred the Address pro. paged by.his Noble Friend (Lord Darnley.) In that Hoare blieistere were their own panegyrists, but is the other Hesse they got* friead to praise them. Thermion eV Mae eves, prolmbly, that on • former occasion she task hod berm latraated to a Noble Lord, who introduced into the Asidreal some expreeiloes not very pleasing to Ministers, end diem- Awe the, Moonlit it more safe not to intrust it out of their ewe heads meek. It was mush to be lamented that at • period when owe would have thought the 'awry bed era rived at the twesoinesies of distress, that new W. were be ginning with a fresh evil : he allotted to the change of Me currency. The Noble I.urd then dwelt at some hearth upon she evils *hat Mari already )pd were likely to mew*, sad said if we .did set mbar our stem sr Make a redaction is the lases equal to the veil treated, the diatomite of the *newel weld be ieeressed tenfold. It we looked to the extent of the egrieull oral 44- Irma, who, t . 104111 w Ng di e d e: h p . ealepbluyt that a d:T er i degraded nod o te ion r t r e d r s i shhe aria tf pe may, has to the great lauded pi °Fritters, who,. boogied to- Nether in one Mdivtelabic.league, bad raised the tmeseiry its pastimes; and let the mottled interest rise as is Plight. they were citizens of the world, and it was to the bereditarp of the soil we must look fur Ilse support of the o se a s e sdrs sod the country. Lent CALTHORPE said, that iu eeevegvience of the very ...6•01411411111100ent mod satisfactory promise of the Noble Sari iLiverlost), be should support his Amendment. Lord. DALNLEY briefly replied, and the Amendment 'Wes agreed to. COURT OF CHANCERY (IRELAND). Lord SI DSIOUTft said, that In moving the Order of she Day for the• House going into a Committee on the Btll Air regulation the everts in Ireland, he thought it right •Sh state, in comieguruce of the late period of the ORS. ho • of the measure effecting the object aid therefore move that it be commuted iAe aidosis. _ _ Alieriif;;; words frets, the LORI) CHANCELLOR ad Lard KING, the Bill was postponed. Atli d at eight o'Clock. VOIISM OF COMMONS, Moia►T, JUST 7. The Hoese met at half past three o'clock, and being 'UAW tainted by the Deputy Usher of the Black Rod io the meal form, proceeded to the House of Peers, to hear the Royal Assent given by Commission to several Bills-01i, whicA we OW , RePort of the p►oceedings fa the Lied..) HARBORD presented • Petition from the loh•hi. tents of several Parishes iu lb. County of Slouverset, praying for a revision of the Criminal Codc.—Ordered to be laid am the table. The i"l•ukruptey Court lilt went throne% the Committee, and was reported, anti ordered to be read she third time le. morrow. Mr. A RBUTHNOT presented a voluminous mass of Papers, containing Returns of the increase of Silarie► the I Public Offices since 1793, which were ordered to be laid on the table. Mr. GRATTAN pretested a Petition from the Illeara. ►olders of the late Theatre is Crow.aireet, iu the City of praying that the Muse would inquire why the re• newel of the License for Dramatic Praurrnauces had wet been mule ost to Mr. F. Joees.—Ordered to be laid on the table. On the Order of the Day for the third readlugof the Cap tured Slave, Ilill being moved— Mr. CREEVEY objected to the Orders of the Day Wive proceeded with, as it was not yet four o'clock. The SPEAKER said the House had met at half peal three Ly Commimiou. On such occasions it was nasal to All up the time between the C,mmissio• and the usual how of meeting, by proceeding with thow Orders of the Day Ise which it was uaderstnod uo objection would be made; both in order to save the House the necessity of sitting and tioieg nothing, sod also to prevent the encroachment of the less important bosluess epos • tater hour of the night. It was, however, competent to soy Member on such occasions, after the Conowissioo, to move a■ siljournmout, sr to have the House counted out, if there were not the requisite nisathar of Members preen!. The Rill was then reads third time and passed. Mr. R. CLIVE mimed as Atkin's, to his Majesty, prayi•p that he would be pleased to direct that thew be Itiv before the House a Copy of the Ninth Report of t►e Com anissiouers of Inquiry relating to lilt Salaries, Fees; and Ewa laments received by the Clerks and Officers of the Courts of Justice in Scutlaad.—Agreed to. SLAVE TRA ADC Air J. MACKINTOIH wished to ark the Noble Lord (Loadonderry) a questiom Tim NoMs Lout its a debate on Abe Slave Trade, had defended the Freach Gumeorortist fez not euacting ground that the Chamber of Deputies was not yet prepared mitertaiu any proposal for its lutist or further suppression pommit. By what had pawed in the Chamber stare that *bate, it appeared that it was made a grimed of reproach the Deputiesogaiort the Government, that a sew law tro the subject bad mot bees in • anariently forward state of =atiun for being brought forwsrd in the present Session. appearing to be somewhat at variance with the Noble bemire eta C1111(.01, he (Ikr J. 114aelttrooah) wi•hed to ask tahalber that sistenowl was grossualed on any Wri4lll.ll communication from the French Government, and • briber the Noble Lord *mild have any oNectitru lu pnaduce such timmuniestim ? The LONDONDERRY in.iintainrd that the 1/8/116110mat ban am*" Detatics aultatautiated what it to the .hinLieneted Amway* him Frauch Government oa the 'nestle% by wool(' pot Aloe. -sod leeroed Gest lemma irietherimpidlvicata remit from Its psodeetioa at theorem,* moment. Sir .1. MACKINTOSH said, the epee* of t)ls of Marine Mad Web published, milt did net appear ahht be bad made the most distant a/lesion to any isdiepceition le the Chamber of Deputies to entertain the subject ; o. the contrary, being pressed as to . MOMS more effectual law 844 "via/ Yell hero brought forward, he said that the Mi aitry bad been employed io preparing a Sill, which they had mot been able to get so far forwarded as to be iu a Nate to be laid before the three this Sessios. This certainly ap• peered to beet variance wit► the statement of the Noble Lord, and he thought the document rtic which the Noble Lord had grounded his assertion veght. to be laid.beirore Ills Hoare, that it might be *ern whether the Snitch Govern• went bad chewed good faith it respect to the reasons which .it alleged for not caking a more aative•part in promoting the seppreseloa of slave trading. The Marquis of LONDON DERRY Judi, .there was mat the smallest reason to doubt. Abe good faith of the frreueth Goireiroaceot in that moped. • WESTMINSTER ABBEY. Dr. PHI LLIMORE said, ha had bans ireipsested by the Deau of Westminster to offer" milme exploitation by way of correcting any erroneous impreseioa shies might have bens produced by come observation, which were mails in that House on Thursday night, on the vole of the grant for re. pairing Heury the Seventh's Chapel. He had been reguem ' ed by the respectable authority whom he had mentioned to state that deriug the last thirty years no less a sum than 311,00011. bad been expended in the ordinary repairs of the Abbey out of the church revenues. With respect to the re pairs of Henry the Seventh's Cbapet, they were inrried sit under the direction of Parliament, end the Dean and Chap ter could not therefore be considered as responsible either fur the length of lime, the manner of their execution, or the ex pense. With respect to any contribution towards the ex penses of the Coronation out of the produce of the seats let to the epectators of the cutouts', Ike Deaa and Chapter did mot feel themselves authorised to asehe such an appropriation of fends which, by litag custom sad tovariable usage, were applicable tp. other purposes. Tolbeebarge of neglecting to take care oldie public vatimusente, it was said, that to the utmost of their power they endeavoured to keep them in as good order as the smoke end deaf to hiels the Abbey, from it sitnution was peculiarly exposed, would 'Bow. Sir C. LONG wished to offer a few words on this subject, as he had been led on a former evening to make some obser vations on one of the points which had been mentioomi. With respect to the repairs of Hear, the Seventh's Chapel, he wee use of the Committee appointed some years eke to inquire lobo the subject, and from the exasaiamiee lathe records to which the attention of the Committee wee drawn, that Com mittee was perfectly satialled that the exposes of its repairs ought to be defrayed by a promisees of foods from the public pane. The opinion of the Couneittire bad bees adopted by Parliament, and the mamas/ in which the wort hail been dime reerated greet credit so those who bad bees employed, and mast, he sees sore, have glees satisfaction to every penes who had observed it. Oa the subject of the monuments, he bad ea a former evening observed, that after the pains taken la selecting +artists of the Iva musellimee few executing them, and after large same had been IspoWed to their erection, it timid ost.but be a matter of extreme regret and morli Sea tie., thrt so little care was bestowed is preserving amid' keep lag 'bre in older by those whose duty it was to ere that they *are properly weeded to. He was glad that the sebyect hod been publicly noticed, become he hoped it would lota to some insprotement. DUKE OF CLARENCE'S ANNUITY. The Marquis of Lownorrnsaair I►aring moved the Order of the Day for the-third reeding of the Duke of Clarence's Annuity Mr. BERNAL expressed hirtiecided objection to the granting of the arrears, and was about to more an amendment, when • The' SPEAKER said, the Order. of the Day roust first be lead, and afterwards the Bill inubt be reed , a third time, before the Honourable Member coi►ld regularly more an amendment in the BIN itself. The Order of the My having heir)* read, on the question that the Bill be now read a third base—. - Mr. CRIBVET rove to oppose the third reading. and said he should certainly take the sense of the , House on the question, and in so doing he begged to disclaim any feeling or intention of disrespect to the (juke of Clarence. He particularly objected to the time and manner in which this Bill was pushed forward. On the motion for the repeal of the malt tax, when the numbers were for the repeal 149. and optima it 143. soaking in the ' , slick allow' 14274 Members, the Noble Lord observed that that was too thin a House for the final decision of such an important question, and cautioned the sup. porters of the motion " not to halloo before they were out of the wood," but to await the event of soother division, when having had time to muster his forces, there would be a fuller attendance of Mem bers. That was a question of the repeal of a tax of three millions, in which the whole pees& of Eng land were concerned, and according to the Noble Lord, a House of 274 Members was too thin a House for its decision. Again, on the motion for the repeal of the horse tax, the numbers being for the repeal 141, god against it 113, making a total of 454, the Chancellor of the Exchequer said he would try it again, for that was too thin a lionse. Thin it appeared that a house of nearly 300 Mew. bets was too small to decide a question iu favour of the people of England ; but stow that there was a question of granting . moneY to one of the Royal Family out of the pockets of the people, the Noble Lord thought it was highly proper that it should be considered in such a House as he was then ad. dressing, with an attendance of not above half the number, and with a majority composed of the Ser vants of the Crowe, who were bound to vote in support of the grant. That was a state of things which strongly exemplified the propriety of the motion of the Hon. Member fur Shrewabtny (Mr. H. G. Bennett), respecting placemen holding seats iu that House. While they were permitted to sit there in such numbers, the Ministers could carry soy vote, however extravagant, however revolting to the feelings of the country at huge. At that late period, when a long and fatiguing Strohm was drawing to a dose, most of the other Gentlemen in the House were glad to get out of town, to enjoy seine relaxation after their close attendance; but the Servants of the Crown, the army of placenteu, were stillitt hand, iu ready attendance on the sum mons of the Noble Lord, and that was the 'ppm tunny which he took to bring forward a Bill for voting away the public money. Mr. Basta said he mast confess that since lie had the honour of st seat in that House, of all the propositions respecting the public mosey, that %Inch was now brought forward by Ministers, of grannug 18,0004 of armors to the Doke of Cl'- rution in the state of the currency, which increased the value of the nominal sum, or from any other 'motives of unforeseen advantage, to reclaim that wl►tch had before been spurned at.— (Hew, hmr.) —. It. was rather bard that the people who bestowed should be always bound by *first offer, and that :these whir were to be benefited should not be eon .eluded ley their that refusal.—( Hear, hear. I—He - was sure that if sny person had been fuuud to my three years alp that the House of Commons would listen to a proposition of that nature at tire peeserit time, that person would have been laughed to worn, or treMed as a calumniator of the best inte rests of the country. They had, however, an answer to snake to the apphentiots, winch between. mat and noun would have been censidered as (Viso clusitte—'r they had not the money to give.w— II was true they might borrow it; bat to borrow a sum of money when the value of the currency had so much increased, for the put-once of giving it to those who bad rejected it when offered, in a lower stele of the currency, was rather too much in reason/ to expect. Thus far his objection to the vote of motto/. for : the arrears. With respect to the, 6,000/. a year, that was another matter, and kis objection rested on very different grounds. He tweed in opinion with the Hon. Member for Aber deen (Mr. Hume),, that all that was requisite in the way of snaking an increased provision for the Duke of Clarence, was to piece him on the feotin►g of the other branches of the Royal lamely , to whirls he should not have objected ; and he, there fore, thought with the same Hon. Member, that the preterit vole ought to be reduced to 3,500/. instead of 6,000/. per annum. Mr. Serjesut OttesLow defended the grant. If the Ron. Member had been in the House on Satur day. and heard the explanation given by the Hon. Member for East Looe (Mr. W. Taylor), he (Mr. Serjearit Ouslow) was convinced be woold have been perfectly satisfied. The Illustrinos Duke, at the time when the grant was first voted, was per suaded by his friends to decline it, as it was impos sible. they said, he could live as a married man in this country on the provision lie would then receive from Parliament. He had, therefore, intruded to reside on the Continent, but circumstances bowing arisen to induce an ahterati•a of his urrangemenu, sad hiareturse to this country, he had unfortutistrly become considerably embarrassed. The grant, however, of the 18,000 L arrears, would enable his Royal Highness to clear off the encumbrances which had thus been brought •upon him, end the alterution iu the value of matey ►endering his in. collie, including the additional 610001. nearly equal to what his friend* had deemed necessary for the meintenance of a suitable establishment, would. it was hoped, free hint from the necessity of fur ther emb ruts. Mr. Beuiiaa thought the observations of the Hon. owl Learned Member went to confirm his (Mr. Becher's). a►gument, and the objection which be felt to the grant. Mr. Monica said, after all that lie had heard, it And not appear to hint that his Majesty's Ministers had succeeded in making oat a case tojostify this grant ; he sliould, therefore, continue to give it his decided opposition. The question being loudly called fur— Mr. CRESYST mid he wot;id not press the divi sion trti the third reading, as he understood the amendment of his Hon. Friend would go to annul the grant of the arrears. Lord A. HAMILTON said he we* decidedly of opinion that this grant had been most irregularly brought forwa►d. He objected to voting Mot►ey now, upon a message front the Crown in a former reign to soother Parliament three Sessions ego. MER MAJESTY'S CORONATION. Mr. Bitouuttast said. he was in the same situa tion so far with his Noble Friend ; his opinion of the matter of the arrears was well known, as also the reasons on which it was founded, and fur the reason *Boded to by his Noble Friend, he could not approve of the manner in winch the grant of 6,0001. a year had been introduced on the present occasion. He wished to take that opportunity of making a few observations on what passed in the House on Saturday, when he had not an opportunity el being present: he alluded to the conversatjou which thew took place respecting the coronation, and he wished now to state to the House, by way of ex planation, the reasons of the delay which was then complained of, as having taken piece on the pert of her Majesty's legal advisers in preferring our claim to participate in the honours of that solem nity. He understood that in the course of his animadversions on that delay, the Noble Lord had said that there had been a delay on their part of two months--(signs (if dissent from Lurd London derry)—aboot two months; a week more or less was of no matter, he never supposed the Noble Lord intended to tie himself down to the precise term of two calendar months but the House would see that there was an essential differeuce between one and two months. The Noble Lord on the itist of May gave his opinion in that House, and not be fore, to his (Mr. Brougham's) knowledge, had the subject of the Coronation been mentioned ; on that occasion the Hon. Member for Reading (Mr. Munek) put a question to the Chancellor of the Exchequer, to which that Right Hon. Gentleman made no answer, respecting the preparations for the Coronation. No reference was then made to any supposed right of the Queen to participate in the ceremony ; the question was solely as to any preparations fur her attendance—kis Hon. Friend having laboured under a mistake as to the ne cessity of any permission for her to attend as a spectator, whereas it was clear that the Queen had a right to be present at any ceremony or show iu that manner, like say other subject of the realm. The question was, however, taken up by the Noble Lord, as applying to the Coronation of her Ma jesty, and the Noble Lord accordingly stated it as his opinion that the permission of the Crown was necessary to enable her Majesty to partake to the ceremony. The Noble Lord said that there was •no point of the privilege or prerogative of the Crown sore clearly established than that the . . . . i.. " - • rice and Poland were distressed, that therefore 4 * _had itated; as did also thirfretiod Willa Clamber of rend , p aled hi bins the most eldest:milksop... we should tr*e no *fps . to remove our hlWens. ' ~.vm eo , el a +Pei : lti" Mi l lided UOs licoli•esteuli'" of the al pieliosterout. • The House shopld ',col- -We should ism inclisseoari moadarelto IS ',/ '''' law lf-P eet ' e g the me " • i r _h e " we ft s al re l „ket. Won it Acceded to this vote, that when the ev4l T * .„,asldta napes' vet pr lo . nalo w !outses, sgsics our ezpendillaws we ibitisid bikini* a 46iims bgik..41 , 41,, ,t sh s iise w yet .w wd wail , s ay offer war first made it was rejected ;and although Dismay aid out of prnkpliry. Ths Mabee 14•01 preggidgl fora total &politica the Mese Trod. amid be as individuals they might not be very punctilious, twitted WO the stale a the *Mims' debt. Re twil i t 041Xviiintigeoinly submitted to them, and he was glad to see yet as representatives of the people they had a right so mesas agree with the Noble Lord opposite that Ise' 'llitrnitosioa'whielFwiiiimide to that feeling by the Minister to expect that when their proffered favours had maim, feels as he had described, had taken ranee; instead a • ~„ • ib • Fmmiss 4 10 1 11 41 011 414 k 4 " .43 "thees" been heaved with so little ceremony, no attempt ' el-skatiareviritittire Ind ineTroled ow debt tfl a t 'Witham referred: (Viii respect to hulas oa the table of the Home With rayed to Malting Foods, he was by po mess oppolad istriasamoniadiaa which ,hod.passed beam* him sod the sbuoldafterwards be made on account of an she- . . _. d Queen, although fully eirtitled to all the privileges and itnntunities belonging of right to her station as Queen Consort, had yet no right to n Coronation, todepeadent of the favour aid permission of the Crown, and that neither he nor any other of the servants of the Crown were disposed to recommend his Najerty to grant any such favour. Against that doctrine, so laid down by the Noble Lord, he (Mr. B.) at the time protested. 1-k chrism, it wan tree, feel prepared to lay down the contrary position as the law, brit he expressly stated his dissent, in order that silence on his part might not be con . suited into en assent to the taw of the Noble Lord. That was all that passed on that occasion. ANI hers he might stop his narriviou, to inquire whe ther from that it was to be taken as a necessary consequence that any Coronation at all was to take place. or, if it um to -take plate, chat theQueets was to he excluded The Noble Lord amid that that right of the Queen to be rrowurd could may Ear derived from the grace cud favour of the Kiug, mat that he war not disposed .to recommend the grakt•-• ing of such favour. • •Natorally, after that, her IVlajesty herrelf, and her law advieers,-who, it had been well observed by Ur lion. .cud Learned !friend Starlett)„ wire not to be takes in the same relation to her tor the &hunters of the Crown, whose place it **snot to girt - fault 'recommenda tion, but to wait for orders--.thaught•it their duty to wait and see whether any proclatnutims was lean ed. And as to the proclamation its. 4 , thst wan not a certain proof of the event actually taking place. Ott the Gth May, 1819. a proclamation was mined for the coronation' .to take place oat the tat August ; but it was afterwards delayed. 'fir date of the prochionatiost this. year was.otle.ltrue, which was on Saturday; it wow not, however i , published it* the Gazette till the Tuesday following, winch was the The 'Memorial of her Mejeety to the King in Council was settled and sent off from his (.11r 8.'.) chambers, where the ennsoeltation on the sulqecs was held, on Saturday, the 23(1 ; so that the amount Of the delay was eleven slays after the publicationaf the pruelautation. Now, under the circumstance, of the case, he really could not take to himself any great blame for a delsayeef only eleven days, on a mutter of so greet importance, attended. anis so much diffiCulty. Of that delay, however, some part was occasioned by the illness of his Hon. and Learned Friend, who was confined to Ins room at the time ; souse portion of it was also atteibutable to the tVinisun-liolidays, by which the British Museum, where it was necessary that search should be made among the records, was shut up. Great courtesy, it was true, was shewn him, which he war glad to have that opportunity of aciteoeledging, by persons in the house (the Museum), whoa* he wdulii not name, lest it should result to their prejudice, by which he had beet' enabled to Search twice.dur ing the vacation—bot• Aid these holidayi had %Ae rated some delay. The whole delay, therefore, when it came tube thus accounted for ' in reality amounted to nothing. The Noble Lord had asked. why no no tice had beeu taken of her Majeei y'sclaiin, from w hit he hod said , OU the 'let of 11. y—that lie (lir. B.) had already explained. But taking it from that date, there was a lapis of a mouth only, and that was a delay bluely out very extraordinary. to enable theist to search and examine, sod deliberate ou a matter of such impoetenee. A delay had takes place 111/MM the forwarding of the Memorial, ofeshich at present he wished to abstain foont'rhy obserestion, because he considered that no answer having yet been given, that the sobjecfroust be still under consideration_ He ought, however, to add, as to the nece s sity of t louger time to enable any necessary alteration to be made in the preparations, that they were much. in error who suppose there was any waist of time for the purpose. There, were precedents where the hest proclamation of such a ceremony errs only sixteen days before the ceremony itself took piety ; and' changes had been ordered only nine days, and even but two days before. The Marquis of LONDONDERRY rose to reply, tos shortly as he could, to the observations of the lion, sod Learned Gentleman, In the remark. which be bad felt himself called eta to make an Sa turday upon this subject, it certainly was far from hie intention to go out of his way, to censure any pert of the Learued Gentleman's conduct. in his profeesionel capacity, bat what he meant was rather to contrast that rapidity which he seemed to expect its the decisions of others, with the slow and caw tious mode of proceeding which had marked his. own couduct iu this business. The Honourable and Learned Gentleman had stated, very truly. that on the 4tat May he (the Morel - lois of Lou donderry) had assumed that right of a corona tion was only in the Crown. The Honourable and Learned Gentleman had stated that the sub ject was first mentioned on that occasion, but the Honourable Member might recollect that in the ninny debates which occurred before that period, iu which allusion had been mode to the rights and immunities of a Queen Consort, he (the Marquis of Londonderry) did most distinctly, as far as his ie. pressiou went, enumerate the several immunities %high depended on the special grace and hivour of the Crown, and among them he especially mentioned that of her Coronation ; so that the Honourable and Learned Gentleman's *minims must have been called long before the Stitt of May to this very question. The Renewable and Learned Gentleman had stated, that the Memorial to the King was dispatched on the 23d June. in consequence of the proclamation of the 9th ; but that was not the first time that the commotion of her Majesty was expressly mentirmeil because iu a letter to the firet Mioister of the Ch u''•. Lord Liverpool, between the 41st May mid date of the Proclamation. her Majesty inquired a. to the pert she was to take in the erresseav, whe ther any and what preparations tied been made. and wbo was appoiuted to attend her; to which an answer was returned, that her Majesty had no claim to attend as a matter of right, and that it was not intended to advise that she should partake is the ceremony. That produced • rejoinder from her Majesty, intimating her intention of preferring her claim lathe King in person, to which an answer ea, returned, that his Majesty would be advised not to receive her. That must be considere'd to have amounted to a total prohibition, so that there was no want of warning on the subject. When he (the Marquis of Looduirderry) gave his opinion as to what lie cooceived to be the law of the subject, the Hon. and Learned Gentleman. although be did nut choose to take his law, laid dews no counter law. Without imputing say thin unfair to the Hoe.