The Statesman. — London, England, 1822-07-05 00:00:00

" ; .. . :, 41 , • • 1 I. 1 11.- • t's , ./ 1.1r 4 -40 Committee of the Court of Directors load reported against the claims, as they could not find the t i n any instance" the Court had *suctioned any deviation front the sweet of " non-interference.'" As the Committee could find no sorb instance, the Court of Directors ought to he obliged to him if he seggeeted to them the propriety of appoint tog a Committee of the House of Commons to look into the subject. He doubted not they would be able to find mime deviations from this system. The toilet on the r. 2.1 of April, 1796, had determined that " every pos. Bible countenance and protection should be given." To whom? To the Minister of a Nabob. To what? "To his opposition to the will of his master." How far this was. in conformity with the system of " non-inter ference," without those lights by which the Committee of the Court of Directors regulated their enquiries, be could not decide. In another inseance they had blamed " non-interference," sod they had written to their Cm vernor.6eneral—" We deem it to he your indispensable duty to interfere whenever this may be necessary, not only with advice, but with remonstrance, to bring about that reform, without which his (the Nabob's) add the Company's affairs mast suffer." When they could thus devists from their system of " non-interference" in some caw, thee ought to do so in favour of their lawful cre ditors. His motion would go to refer the Petition, to which he had called the attention of the House, to a Committee. The parties could not obtain redress in a COWL of j ustice; they had therefore no course left o p en to them bet to tome to Parliament. He moved that the Petition presented from the bankers of Calcutta be re ferred to a Comnsittee. Mr. ROBERTSON spoke against the motion. With the opinions which he entertained upon the Petition, lie felt bound to oppose it. Mr. WETHERELL said, that if the Committee were appointed it would be proved that the loan was nego tiated upon fair and equitable terms. The Marquess Wellesley had written a letter to Ms successor, Lord Moira, stating that the claim was a just one; and no one who knew the character of that Noble Lord would believe that lie had given a decided opinion upon such a case without due &nil ample consideration. Ile con- tended that the East India Company stood in the si tuation of a Private individual, who had purchased an estate, with an encumbrance upon it, sod they were bowed to observe the conditions of that puachase. Mr. HUMP, contended that Lis Hon. and Learned Friend had :sot made out a case which would warrant the interference of the House. He considered the con duct of the Marquess 'Wellesley to be censurable in re gsrd.to this question. If the claim was a just one, as he stated in his private letter, he ought not to have al lowed it to sleep during the nine years of his Oovern n.ent. He was satisfied of the respectability of the Bankers, end knew that what they did in lending the money was quite conformable to the practice of the , country at the time. lie contended that they had no right to interfere, for if they did so it would be against all precedents and practice. He knew the going into a Csminlittee would not pledge the house to any particular course; hut he was averse from entertaining the ques tion at all. If they slid so, there would be no end to snrls applications. Let them once admit the claims of natives against, native chiefs, and long as the present Seeds, was, neither one of such a length , nor one o f to mont hs duration, would suffice to dispatch such business alone. Mr. BROTIGIIA AI explained. Mr. PRENDERGAST said, that his case was distin 'misled from the present, by being a claim, not upon the Vizier, but upon a subject of the Vizier's; a person who was an eunuch and a slave. The Honourable Member had stated that he received full compensation ; but this was a mis-statement, for he only received one half of his just claim. The Hon. Member for Lincoln could speak to the justness of his claim. After what had passed, he should more for papers connected with Ms case. Mr. K. SMITH said, that as belied been appealed to, hr felt it necessary to say, that when he was in office, the Hon. Member submitted his case to him, and upon its merits lie had no difficulty in coming to the opinion that the claim was founded in justice. Mr. ASTELL thought the Hon. and Learned Gentle man bad made out no case that warranted the interfer ence of the house. The Hon. Member declared bis in tention to oppose the motion. Mr. PLUNKETT thought the subject a fit one for ex amination in a Committee. Mr. WIGRAIII contended that no casein's] been made zut to justify the motion for a Committee. Mr. P. MOORE opposed the motion. Lord A. HAMILTON said he shauld vote in favour of the appointment of a Committee. Mr. WYNN declined goint into the details of the question. He should vote for going into a Committee, but in doing so he did not mean to pledge himself to any opinion one way or the other on the justice of the claim. Captain MABERLEY and Mr. MONEY opposed the motion. Dr. PHI LLIMORE supported the motion, as lie wish ed for inquiry to enable him to decide upon the conflict ing assertions which had been made in the course of the transaction. Mr. C. SMITH and Mr. RICARDO opposed the mo tion. Mr. T. COURTENAY spoke in favour of the ap pointment of a Committee. Mr. BROBGHAM briefly replied. A very uneandid and inaccurate attempt had been made by his Hon. Friends the Member for Aberdeen (Mr. Hume), and the Member for Coventry (Mr. Moore), to make it appear that the Hon. Member opposite (Mr. Prendergast) was a party interested in this case. This was done with a view to gain certain votes; but lie begged to state that it was totally unfounded. He was merely the Attorney —.he person that arranged the case in this country for the benefit of the real parties interested. These parties were noder British dominion, and therefore when they appealed to the British Parliament were entitled to a fall measure of justice. Mr. Hums and Mr. BROUGHAM mutually explained. The House divided— For the Motion, 82—Against it, 39—Majority in fa vour, 4:3. The Committee was accordingly nominated. Mr. HUME complained that there were no Members of the East India Company to be found in the nomina tion of this Committee. Mr. WYNN observed that in a ease of a claim upon the East India Company, it was a question whether the votes of the Members of that company would be al lowed. After a few words freml'lr. B. SMITH, Mr. PRINDRR GAST, and Mr. Ilattuanam, it was agreed to include Co lonel BAILLIZ, who bad been a British resident io India, Mr. ASTRLI, Mr. Wiettam, and Mr. Hume in the Committee, which was empowered to meet to-nor tow. INDIA TRADING TESAISI.B.. Mr. ROBERTSON moved that there be hid before the House copies of the correspondence that had passed betwixt the Board of Control and the hoard of Director. of the East Indio Company, relative to the tonnage of vessels trading to India. IRISII INSURRECTION ACT. Mr. (10IILBURN moved that the Order of the Day be read for the second reading of the Insurrection Act. Sir ROBERT WILSON suggested, that in conside ration of the lateness of the hour, the Right lion. Gent. should consent to the postponement of the discussion on I 1 ~‘ , 4 IF. Si THE STATESMAN. . - this sultject, epee ow emderstamihrg that it should come on first on some motion night, es the committal of the Bill. Mr. GOMM:RN readily accepted the propene! of the Hoooorahle Menther, and insured him that be woold bring on the Order of the Day for the House going into a Committee otsthie Bill the first thing on Monday. The Bill was thee read a second time, and ordered to be committed on Monday. near Fauna (inat.two.) On the motion of Sir JOHN NEWPORT, returns were ordered to be raid before the lionse of all the sums of money received be the Commissioners of First Friths in Ireland since 1801, together with details of all the particulars connected with the appropriation and caw tion of the same. The Prison Laws Amendment Bill was read a third" time, and passed. In a Committee of the Small Notes Bill, the Cos:vamp LOR of the &complicit consented to give up the clause which gave Country Beakers the option of paying fa cash or Bank notes. After some observations from Dr. Luantworno, Mr. S. Rice, Mr. Horn, Mr. H. Gusset', and Mr. Cove- TRNAT. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHBQUER ex pressed his hopes that the Bank of England would be prepared with motes more difficult to be imitated than the preAnt, in ease the issue of It. notes became again necessary. • The other Orders of the Day were disposed of, Kra the House adjourned at half-past twelve o'clock. LORDS' PROTESTS AO - AINST THE MARRIAGE AbIENDSI ENT ACT. (No. I.) EXTRACTS ROM TEE JOURNALS or THE MOUSE Of LORDS. JULY 2. 1822, AGAINST LOUSING TO TES V.IST ENACT• ING CLAUSE OP THE ItAIIIIIAGS ACT. DISSENTIENT I—BACIRISS it appears to me, that the withdrawiog the effect of nullity from the marriages of minors, had without the consent of parents, is likely to produce more and greater mischiefs than such as can fairly be considered as resulting from the tenetsl ope ration of the subsisting Marriage Act. STOIVIILL. (Iqo. II.) AGAINST PASSING Tfft YARRIAGL I/MINTIEST Because the Bill proposes to re peal retrospectively a law which has endured and been acted upon nearly seventy years, governing the rights of persons and of property ; and such repeal is, there. fore. a dangerous precedent, destroying all confidence in rights founded on existiag law, gad threatening, by its consequences, the destruction of all law. 2d. Because the injustice and impoHey of repesling the law, retrospectively, is acknowledged by the several qualifications introduced into the Bill to limit the effects of such retrospective repeal; and yet clauses o ff ered further to limit ends e ff ects were rejected, and many in conveniences foreseen therefore remain unprovided for, and there may probably be many unforeseen, and to which human foresight cannot extend. 3. Because, whatever evils may bare arisen from the effects, in some instances, of the law proposed to be re pealed, the evil of a retrospective repeal of a law which has so long endured, is much greater, considered as a precedent, which may he used to justify the grossest is justice. ELDON, C. Rs DE AAAAA . SHAFTESBURY. COLELISTES. (No. 111.) DISSLNTIENT 3—lst. For the above•reasons, and also Decease the Bill is not, either with respect to marriages heretofore bad without the oone.u.t of putative fathom. or heretofore had without the consent of natural and lawful fathers, founded upon misapprehension of the law creating any each general practice, as in my judgment can authorize the boom to legislate. as in this Bill, re trospectively with respect to such marriages. 211. Because the house having refused to insert clauses in the Bill saving vested rights and rights acgaired by purchasers of estates, for good or valnable considers. lions, from persons by the law of the land entitled to sell or settle such estates, appears to me, by this mea sure, to have acted contrary to the princti.les which have 1 • .herto secured to the subjects of this country their property; and to have rendered the Bill, if other wise fit to pass into a law, such as no reasoning can sanction, and no precedents can ; justify. ELDON, G. SHArrassußy. For the second reason : VgattLA M. &OMIT. STOW ILL. CAN MINORITY ON Mt. ROIIIIIIDVOI MOTION POI 11ZPEAll. OP TML WINDOW Tilt. Hon. G. Anson, J. F. Barham, Hon. G. Bennet, R. Bernal, H. Bright. Sir F. Burdett, O. Bynq, J. Benett. J. Calcraft, C. Calvert, Campbell, J. Carter, H. Cavendish, Sir W. Crespigny, T. H. Davies, T. Denman, Hon. T. Dundee, Viscount Dracannon, W. J. Denison, D. Davenport, Sir R. Ferguson, Viscount Folkestone, S. Graham. J. Grattan, B. Onkel!. Lord A. Hamilton, W. P. Honywood, C. H. Hutchinson, T. Houldsworth, T. B. Lennard, J. J. Lockhart. John Maberly, IV. L Moberly. J. W. Maxwell, M. Milbank, J. B. Monck, P. Moore, S. Marjoribanks, Sir J. Newport, C. F. Primer, Sir G. Rgbioson, J. C. Ranutden, T. S. Rice, D. Ricardo, A. W. Roberts, C. E. Rumbold. J. Scarlett, J. Scott, Earl Sefton, W. Stewart, C. Tennyson. Marquess Teri. stock. J. A. Warre, C. C. Western, S. C. Whitbread, W. H. Whitbread, W. Williams, J. Williams, Sir R. Wilson. and Alderman Wood. Tellers—J. C. Hobbouse and J. Hume. Frac —Yesterday morning, a fire broke out ja the workshop of Mr. Kidwell, cabiuet-maker, Of Falcon berg-court, Soho-square. The engines soon arrived, and succeeded in preventing the fire ezecutiog more damage than destroying the workshops. Wednesday evening, a respectable youth, who was an apprentice to a silversmith In the Screed, and whose parents reside in Bedfordbury, went to Mil bank to bathe, but was unfortunately drowned.— The body lies at the Spread Eagle for a Cur 'a 1 nquest. A fatal accident, occasioned by the fire•damp, took place early yesterday morning (Monday, Ist instant) at the colliery of M . Nroboulds, near this town. Ten of the workmen had just descended the pit where this dreadful gap was accumulated. which coming in contact with the lighted candle, the vapour ignited, and we lament to add that fi►e of them were unfortu nately killed by the explosion. Two out of the num ber escaped with little injury. Three of them were shortly after extricated, though so much burnt as to be considered in great danger ; while three of the re• maining five bodies bad not been drawn out when our information reached us.—(Sheffield Iris.) An miscount appeared last week in the public prints, of a Liverpool Bair -d abasing 82 wen in an hour, Joseph Pinney, of Bursitis. ou Tuesday morning last, undertook 100 in the same time, which he completed in a superior manner within a second of the hour, and was afterwards chaired through Me . town in Litimph ! —(Stafford video User.) M A Lit. Sac I Dahlia - • 1 Witerfrad - • • G.& /envy - • , I - Lisboa • - • Chatenburg - I MUM OW STOCKS. AT 0 Bask 8401* V.II 2 Ipa Ct. Rad t49l BO tsar CI: Oohs si pe r Cwt. IN A pr Cases... Now fesis g ait i parCamt.l/47 LasiAss:.. ...... 0 746 Imp. I pr Oa. ;MI6 War Cent • Its. Asi• I Holland - 0 O 'Umbra' • O Franca - - 0 I Flanders • 0 O lassies - 0 ME O'CLOCK, THIS DAY. India Stock. Ditto Beads s. s. spm Smith los flOokh Sim Old Aso 1 1 .1111112 d PO. Ss As pm. ----Small SS. 61. pm. Coo. tOr Aret ttié 81 Lott. Tickets 21/. los atateontan. - - " BIMINI STATISM III" IS INCOIIfO DDDDD WYE " TRL STAT 11111•11." LONDON: tateaT EttNING, JULT 5,182 T. I f • &TOCK EXCHANGE, TWELVE O'CLOCK. The aseket remains steady this morning, with eweerisy business doing. The Jews have been bay 'lig largely for the August Account, and settling for tbis. Money still remains scarce. To-morrow is the first wester for Consols, and New Four's. Consols at present are 91 to j ; Reduced in to 80. The Foreign Market is rather slack. The letters from Reiland why bring all Foreign Securities blew. Spanish bare risen in Holland li per Cent. PROCEEDINGS IN PARLIAMENT. IN tun LORDS.—Lord LANSDOWNE. gave notice of squestion that he meant to ask either to-morrow, or on another day' This is a curious way of doing bu siness in the Parliament. We have had notices of motions for about ten Of fifteen years ; now we have got to notices of questions. What the Collective Wis dom of the Nation will bring it to by and by, if there should be time for it, no man can say. This question, or rather Ibis intended question is, it seems, to relate to oar commercial relationships with the States of South America; which his Lordship thinks an im portant matter. So thought Mr. COIDETT when be wrote his petition to the ParNce RSGENT in 1818 ; whet be prayed that our Governmeat might take part with the South American States, and form close al dhows 'Rh them ; and when he foretold the cense sequences of neglecting so to do. It is a day after the fair, my Lord LANSDOWNS. We have lost the oppor tunity. An innate hatred of liberty in the Ministers; the dread in the Boroughmougers, of encouraging the principles of Reform: these prevented those easy mea sures which woipld have knit the South American States to se for ever. We even now seem to be linger ing atoag In the hope that the Dot:anon despotism will regain its power in that country. What we get at last we must get by negociatiun ; and wegociation carried on against rivals, too; and if Prase* and America only paten at at. we must desist. We are fast becoming that very secoad•rate power that BONA PASTS said we should become. We have bartered a good part °four Navigation Laws, this very Session. in the hope of getting a little ready money, to help pay the expences of the debt, contracted in the Holy work of restoring the BOURBONS, the POPS and the 1N THE HOUSE or COMMONS.—Mr. BROUGHAM moved for leave to bring in a Bill to amend the laws affecting the retail trade in beer, which motion was agreed to. We should be tetanus to see what this Bill will contain ; and ready to make our acknow ledgements, and to proclaim the wondrous fact to the world, if one good law should, at last, be proposed by a lawyer. It would appear that the object of the Bill is to enable people to retail beer as they retail bread ; that is to say, to sell it by the pot to be taken away without license. This would certainly be a measure of justice ; and ae do not see bow the hare and par tridge f-llows could find fault of it. The slily fools ! The great stupid jolter-headed asses! Just as if it was of more importance to them to prevent poaching by putting down public-bouses (even if that did it) than to increase the consumption of barley and hops to the diminution of the consumption of tea, sugar and coffee, brought from those foreign countries, which are the same time, at sources of that very patronage, which is now working these hare and partridge fellows to the bone. SiNICURNI tN IRELAND.—There is a Bill before Parliament, called the Irish Grand Jury Bill, the ob ject of which is to leseen the expenses of the adminis tration or justice in that uultappy country. Mr SKEFVINGTON presented, last night, petitions from the Clerks of the Crown. alleging that they p d vested sights that would be affected by the Bill. Sir Joust NEWPOReiI eraser will be found in the report of the debate, but we cannot refrain from inserting it again here. " Sir J. NEWPORT observed that there existed no " foundation whatsoever for the claims the persons " holding these offices thought proper to set up. I n " place ofeonspensation, they ought to be extrenedy well " satisfied that they were not 'objected to the of the Act on the Statute Book, which did not allow of " that office being executed by deputy, whereas all those " offices were now so filled. With respect to fees, these tlentlemen were not satisfied unless they received " double tla amount of the fees actually paid in Foe land.—(Hear.) He had received numerous intimations on the subject, and amongst other strange objections 0 thrown out against the Bill one was. that if it passed . 6 6 into a law, no Gcatlernous would contione to discharge '" Me duties of these officer. His answer was, that that " was no objection with him, as all that was wanted was " to have the duties performed by competent persons.— " (Hear, hear.) The House he trtv.ted would set its " face against any such claim for lets, when it recut• t ' ! r " leeted that every fe: area ato r upon :he 144,mr of • "poor—was a positive dedneom, fro.,, " Lance of the Irish Peasant." We folly concur with the fifreiez i - what it has saillthis morning respreii--./ the rill:Atli:: .o . Sit J. NEWPORT in lisle case; and alt., respecting tit merits of his Hill. We agree with S;r Jon' part': - lady in the sentiment, that every fee is a tax upon IL labour of the poor; and we are quite satisf.ml that et: shall see the insolent possessors of " vested pat to the rout in very short time, and think them selves happy if they he not calirri upon to disgorge , what they have swallowed. Cuter BARON Olinaty...—What this fienti- av - has been at we do not recollect. list • Mr. 'tit L. had, it seems, a motion respecting Urn, whidt, upon the suggestion of Lord Casmtelteano was I.st pnt off till the next Session of Parl;antent. BANKERS Of CALCCTTA.—Mr. BROZIOIISNI tnA•l• 11 motion for referring a petition from these llankrrs to a Committee to enquire into the w.ttire of their claims on the East India Company. It appeats from petition that the East India Company horrowti money of these penple which it has not repaid. MP. W•TNIRRLL, Mr. PLCNKL•TT, Mr. WTNN and son others were for the `.!thutuittee. S were against it ; sad, though we were not surprised to find Pc, ca Mae amongst them, we were rather surprised or, to say the truth, to scorn to tell a lie about the matter. We were 'not at all surprised, to find Huss, on the side of the Company and against gotmt into the Committee! Mr. ll:carton, too, thought would be impolitic to go into the Committee ! Let it he recollected, that these are men who have lent money to the Company, and who cannot get payment. We hear a vast deal about National faith atlic,nae: with regard to the Debt, commonly railed Satioaal. Mr. Hems appears to have thought it proper eeigairgie . „ fur the Nation to pay thirteen hundred thotritiml pouods to the East India Company the other day, witti est' any Parliamentary enieiry at all. list lie would not even enquire into the claim of these persons, he would not intelfere, between the Company and Once who have lent it money.. Hs really does seem to think it an independent State, as Mr. VANSITTERT called it the other night. We regard it in no such light ; and are very glad to see, that the Ministers concurred with Mr. Baouoiram, and that steps are to be taken, likeiy to lead to the doing of justice to these parties. KINTISH EDWARD KNATCHNULL presented a petition last night from " certain ander signed " freeholders of the County of Kent, referriag to the real petition of the County of Kent agreed to at Maidstone oa the 1 Ills of June; and, Intended, co doubt, as a sort of prote-t ag.tiost that petltiss. Bur. this subject would reqntre mere time thaliffe Isli* at present to bestow on it ; and, therefore, we shall post pone it until to-morrow ; or, "(if the debates of to eight should be of an interesting nature) until Moo /ay, when we shall disease it, and give it its propew exposure, in a letter addressed to the men of Keati- ' Paris papers to the 31 inst. bridg accounts front Augsburg. dated Jane 26th, that the last dispatches which the Court of Austria has received from Count Lutzow, seem to be less satisfactory than the rued. lug. The segociations with the Porte it appears hae e remained precisely where they were on the 13th May last. The Reis Freeedi is lavish of verbal promises, which at the end produce so milt. Lord Strasgfoed and Count Lotion have addressed a new note te the Divan, to complain that the evacuation of Moldavia and Wallachia is not yet effected. It is affirmed that the Reis Effendi has acquainted those Ministers with the motives which have induced the Ottoman Oovernment to give orders to snspend for a time all retrograde movements.—He has. however, again promised that the Ottoman troops should quit the two provinces, but without fix ing the time when this evacuation should take place. —A letter from Frankfurt, dated Juce 26, says, the Gracd Dukes of and Michael arrived at Warsaw on the Stir, from Wilna. Several letters kern Vienna affirm that M. de Tatisclreff is amsointed Rus• shin Ambassador asNienna, where be will of course now reside. A very important dim rieettun is thought ' to he assigned to Count 4.lolgaklo. who has for ;be present received leave of abrone!l,4list h AS' al ready left Vienna. It is stated as certain, that so itoss4o Mi nister *ill be sent to Cortunntlandospe• vial mission, till the di:ferrite.. between Regain ad the Porte, shall have been finally arrested, as event a Welt does not seem to be near at hand. News bas this moment arrive.: that several . rvii nieuts of the Russian gnarls litre already caw. ntenced their march to return :o St. Peterebner. A part of the _cards will however rern.,iti in Li•huanit. An express from Madrid had arrived at etre Foreign e, Paris, and the fullowin,e article has appesrr.l in el of the Paris papers:—Madrid. dnne 2ti, General Latorre, commandant of the province of Madrid, la , announced the arrival of the King and tire Rural Family in this Capital, in which hr say., th it their Majesties and the rest of the Family o ill artive on the 2;th by the T,.!etta !x.sto he assigns to each corps the position whirls it is to occupy, sad says. " The salutation which p!eases the heart of his Majestg. twieg that of the C't,s,itothmal King. the tieueral hopes that the Corns:Limier, ...ail engage the soldiers to welcome his .M.,jesty's return with this agrecabie salutation." Pent.ic Fu:sna, JuLv 2.—Vive per Cent. Consols, 91f. Sur. ; hest. 911. 45e.; 411 e.-- Dank. ItiM) f. Loudon, use mouth, 251 30e. IX !SACS or A 11. ET IEN i.toSl NSW SOIL. X. R. We le.trn fr..nt C4piain Peirce, days trout' Port .1 Plat, that it I% as in coatelir r la ilia to pttAtiblt tl.e r if *•