The Statesman. — London, England, 1822-02-27 00:00:00

try. He would r e m ark on what the Noble _ }.:4-ie ema" r ls - aid in conclusion, that there could be no more teas me..sure than the increase o f t he eiretstatio,. 4 131 : Ee nnd its level. The sending out of four millions. pit wa s proposed, would iocreaas the decollation too s orb As they were bound to p reserve a metallic • soothed of currency, he would not stop to argue whether that should be a silver or a gold standard ; but as ti l er were to have a metallic standard, be was convinced that standard ought not to be altered.— s at e measure should be resorted to, besides the with draniog of land out of cultivation. Retrenchment might to be wised io every branch; that was time raw are, and the safest for the public creditor. be, e d JUNO, referring to the Resolutions of the BrIlli•D Committee of the year 1811, said, he thought the Noble Earl opposite would bare been more con sistent with himself if he had proposed resolutions of a miteihr f uture. For iestance, if he had proposed ' , that it is the opinion of the public that taxation is not the mese of distress—that France and Poland are is a loseishing state in conselnenee of an excess of prober, which is the canoe of suffering here."—(A huh) The leading article of the Ministerial creed wei .ttl to be, that taxation was not the cause of distress. A great superabundance of labour bad brought shoat what the Noble Earl opposite (the Earl of Lirerpool) called an exceess of produce. If any roodation was to be derived on the subject of our morn distresses, from a comparison with the distresses si D o r m, as the Noble Earl seemed to think, be won dered be should not hare traveled to time countries of A s ia, where the trite canoe of distress would be plainly sees to be the rapacity of li .vernment. If he under stood the argument of the Noble Earl, it was, that taution could not be (be cause of the existing distress, because it could not produce low prices, which low F l e es, were the aetnal cans.- of the distress. Hut in this calculation the Noble Ea;.l had omitted one princi pal point, which was, that taxation was the cause of the iecreased cost of production, and that was the manse of the distress. As a proof of this, it was not postible to derive any profit from the cultivation of old lands. The Noble Earl said, the country had been relieved from a great weight of taxation ; hot he asked him to look at the increase in the Excise duties for the last twenty years, and then say, whether it emit sot have bat the effect of rasing the cost of pro doctios. He particularly alluded to the articles of 1-ather, soap, salt, candles, an.l malt, which pressed mot heavily on the agricultural classes. The three principles on which the Government rested their pro cm-lings were—that excess of taxation could not pro timedistress ; that relief was only to be given by rs during the rate of interest ; and that five millions was nrcevary In keep in hand, exclusively to be applied to that rechartim. These were tte wain doctrines of Mi nisters, which to be sure, daring the last six years, had been occasionally enlivened with transient absurdities For instance, at one time the distressed state of the' route, was owing to • superabundant population. Then came their superabundant production ; and the tonedy which had been applied to this state of things was, to carry away a portion of the superabundant con s niers or thitneiabanktntprOace.—(Near.)—Aad sq it would las 41 7- iiiii years longer. The siutlg tkrittiwy bad taken too much from the Wood . i etasses to give to the idle; and the consesoence fast they had augmented the rate• of production so mach that it would no longer afford remunerating prices to the grower. Perhaps the Noble Earl oppo site would tell them flat there was too much capital in the casstry, and that they most take steps to drive it oat; as he said, they mast throw the poor lends out of cultivation. These were the glorious absurdities broached by the new school of political cc momists.— (Hear, bear, bear.)—lf they dro►e the capital out of the country, it would be a bar to all future improve :nests. The Nair Earl said they must look to na tural b•en referred to Nature and Providence. But who are the men %rho told the country this? Those who, for the last twenty years bad done all they could to coon. tercet by taxation the workings of nature; who bad placed the country in the state of one which possessed a had climate and a wretched suit.—(Hear, hear.) — The possession of a surplus revenue of five millions was a strong argument fur the reductioa of taxation to that amount. He believed that it was so mach desired to have a Sinking Fund to tbr amount of fi►e millions, as to sbew foreign powers that we possessed the amount of smile, to do what we pleased witb.—(Hear. bear.) Lord ELLENBOROUOH could not attribute the ex. hlisx distress to an excess of cultivation, as that had • rather diminished than increased within the last few years. in his opinion, it was the great excess of pro dote last year, combined with the effect of the change lathe currency, had created the fall in price, to which the distress was owing. He agreed with the Noble Motives' near him (the Marquess of Lansdowne) that the great taxation ander which the country la boured, contributed to the distress of the farmt r as a grower ; but he could not agree with him that the redaction of five millions of tares would give any sensible relief to the farmer. To elucidate this, he would suppose that sum to be applied as • direct bounty on production. If they calculated each per son to consume one quarter of wheat a year, that could be a bounty equal to ss. a quarter upon wheat, and it was a question whether the reduction of bs. non each person would be a sufficient relief to the fawner. This was giving him the full benefit of the Are milling; fur, if it was taken off in taxes, the ope whin of relief would be oolong in reaching the quar ter it was intended to affect, that the benefit would be altno.t lost. There bad, he believed, been some schem e for lending the farmer money till prices should came round again, but that appeared to have totally Liled• The present was a case of peculiar difficulty and distress : of a nature not only to Affect the interests t.f Cie agriculturist, but actually to destroy the inde pradetwe of his mind, soil give it a direction hostile to Government. It had already settled into dieted'. f!r:ioz, and under the particular circumstances be • be disposed to concur its sow violent oiresure put an end to the distress ; opportunities would . -r for discussing the question, and he hoped all the ereies of their Lordships' understandings would be 4..,erted to its consideration.—(Hear.) Ate palm of BUCHINUHAM disclaimed any in te.tion of enter i og into those depths in political r eco 'rin which his predecessors in the debate bad ''Treed. He must, however, declare his dissent "those Who attributed to the operation of taxation 'lf;-*',,...,sotaikkal . ' :he distressed state of the agdeultural interests• that they were is a Mate of distress, it did not urea any one at that time of day to tell them. Bet was this the first time that particular interests of the country bad been in a suffering condition arising from the circumstances of the times ? Did they not all recollect the distresses of the manufacturers and com mercial interests a few years ago, and what was now the state they were in ? The commercial prosperity was of a .most gratifying descriptiow in its nature and extent ; and as to the manafocturing chases, they were now employed at the highest rate of w Res of the highest times. As to the s of agricultural distress, they were plainly owing to the manner in which persons had been tempted to bring land into cultivation, the continuance of which could only be justified by a continuance of that high price of wheat which induced their cultivation.—(llear.) Instead, however, of their cultivation being discontinued, they had been taken at long le uses, and now plunged the owners of them into that state of distress which was the subject of complaint.—(clear, hoar.) The Poor Laws also, it should be remembered, hung as a burden round the neck of the landhol•lers which oppressed them. These laws should be restored to what they were formerly, and the poor should no longer be treated as an,mitants on the land holder.—(Hear, bear.) He hoped the Gentleman, with whom he was not personally ■cgsainted, who had intro laced this subject to the consideration of Parliament last year, woald not drop his intention of pressing it still farther. If, as the Noble Marquess (Lansdowne) said, taxation were the cause of the dis-' tress, it would be felt equally in the commercial and other interests of the country as well as agriculture.— It was said by those who took that erroneous view of the case, that the Excise duties upon soap, salt, tallow, &c. fell with peculiar weight upon the farmer, paricu larlyaffecting the price of the produce ofthe land. Now, if it were true that the weight of the tax affected the consumption, th,t which paid the highest tax would he least used, and rice reran. But with regard to the existing agricultural dist , he htd no hesitation in saying that taxation had no effect whatever. To illustrate this, he would suppose the case of a farm of four hundred acres, at two guineas an acre, as to the amount of produce. He supposed two hundred acres to he laid out as grass lend, 134 acres as spring vegetables, and the rentaininz 66 acres wheat land. These 66 acres would produce 198 quarters, which, valued at 31. a quarter, would amount to 5941. With a farm , thus productive, supposing the farmer's family to consist of himself, wife, one woman servant, and three men, they would consume fifteen quarters of malt, the tax on which amounted to 121. I Is. Slaking a fair calenlatioa of the quantity of articles of every other description which such a family would ecotone, it would be found that the total amount of taxes paid to the Crown was 331.4. Of the amount of indirect tales, which dep:nrad on 111, price of labour, it was not so easy to get at, but the be Away would he to •eke all the taxes which might be considered to fail oa land, and throw them back to the farmer. By the abolition of every tax which was paid by the farmer to can - s - iii;red ad adequate relief? The only remedy was for the great lAndbolder to do u the manufacturers had done some years ago, to p t the firmer from falling, by making common cause with bitn.—(flear, hear.)—The concluding sentence of the Nuble Duke n as inaudible. Lord DACKE contended, that the 'tem of pro duction so much spoken of did nut is reality exist, when compared with the increased population of the country. Since 1813, an increase of four millions had been made to our population ; and the ten years preced ing, an increase of one milliowynly was apparent.— Since 1791, there was an increase equal to ere-ninths of the aggregate population; and no one eould sup pose there was too much cora produced for the coon• try. The loci which had been made so gene rally throughout the country, had 'greeted the change of much arable into pasture land, and this would ac count fur the low price of cattle, but not for a super. abundant supply of wheat corn. He saw so reason why the price of corn should be higher now than in 1791, supposing the ge supply was natural and sufficient. The natural price would depend in a great measure, upon the state of the circulating me dium. He confessed be was enable to estimate co - reedy the power of the circulating medium at the pre sent period. It could not be estimated by its quantity, but by its velocity; bat looking at the state of the currency and the present price of corn there certainly was no reason for concluding that there was a super abundant supply of corn, or superabundant cultivation, disproportionate to the increased population of the country. What effect the change of the currency, l with thirty millions of taxes, had in causing the dis tresses of the country, might be better understood. It was far from his intentiou, however, to advise a return to the fraudulent measure which was put wend to by this change ; but t'irr ease being as it was, it became their duty to look it in the face, and do all in their power to alleviate the sufferings, and relieve the agri- 1 guitarists of the burdens by which they were excessively borne down. The farmer did not, as the manufacturer, withdraw his machinery from use till the temporary low rate of remuneration should pass away. 'l he far mer was bound to support the poor, and therefore could not avail himself of any such advantage as the manufacturer possessed. They must not bold out the hope of a return to high prices. No alleviation could be extended to him but a reduction of the expense of produce. Taxation rather raised than diminished the prices, but taxation might press so heavily en the die d agriculturist, u to force him prematurely into the market. It was impossible to have cheap corn and dear labour—and the expense of Wiwir it was in their Lordships' power to reduce. He could show that the taxes which fell upon arable land amounted to 3s. 6d. an acre. and the remission of that would be a wo uld be alleviation to the grower. But as there be many opportuoities of discussing that matter at greater length, he wonld not longer press himself on the attention of their Lortiships.—(Hear.) The Duke of BUCKINHHAM explained. The Earl of HA ItROWBY addressed the House, but its a tone of voice which rendered the greater part of his Lordship's observations inaudible below the bar. We understood the Noble Earl to contend that the low price of wheat was owing to the grade& $y itoportittou of that cuusurolity from Teilictil: nit 661 . - 41441/A 4001 if• . ' was smite sof/Heel to aeconnt for the low prices a oat ralliti in the aid of talaties, which could not operate in s contrary way. There was another op ration of Moron besides the tasgatherer, and that the collector of rent-rolls, who was just as peremptory in sailing for the ratisfaction of his demands, and much more considerable in them.—(Hear.) He knew that is good yews the rent was equal to one-fifth of produce of the land, and in bad years it was sic-tentho The remedy, therefore, was more in the hands of Lordships, than in the power of any Government. to the amount of taxation, and the war which had dined it, their Lordship. should remember that it not a common war they had bees engaged in—not waged upon a point of honour, or about this or island ; but to settle the question whether their Loi ships and the other House of Parliament should bt a country to sit in. Under the circumstances of country he could never consent to the Sinking being broken in upon. That he was convinced, woe do more to d,•stroy public credit than it would 1- the power of Parliament to repair.—(Hear.) Lord REDESDA LE thought it was clearly proved the taxes fall heavier on the farmer than on any c class. The Noble and Learned Lord contended the glut in the markets of agricultural prodnce not the consequence of over production ; but it r from the necessity which compelled the farmer to his produce into the market without the usual th lie was convinced that the present di, rose causes of a temporary nature, and that the nati course of things would remove them. He thought case of the farmer to be similar to that of the per who being ill, called in a number of doctors, who fell to quarreling about the remedies to be applie his cure. At last their words got so high that patient ordered his servant to turn them all or doors, and, the doctors being gone, he very soot coveted. The Resolutions were then agreed to, and the adjourned at Eleven o'clock. HOUSE OF COMMONS. The S took the Chair at the ueual hour. finding' only 33 Members present, adjourned the to this day. Ilf . INTELLIGENCR. COURT OF KING'S BENCH, FEB. 26. PITT 0. STUART. This was a gni tans action brought to rem from the defendant the amount of certain pent which he was charged with !Living incurred, by ing lodged a sons of money fur the purpose of raping the electors of the borough of Camel, A similar action, brought by the same plaintitT aga Mr. Alsop, who, together with the present deft; ant, had been returned to Parliament fur the limit of Came!ford, had, as our readers wi!l retnel been tried the preceding day, and a verdict reit for the defendant. After evidence was beard, the Chief Justice ded to sum up. There were certainly, ►is p said. phi" teat thid been Tenni, strong ressAii rib supposing that a sum of GOOUI. had been lodi bit some person io the bands of another (Haller tit purpose of corrtipting the electors of Camel has there was no evidence to sheer that t►e 1110001 had been applied by aoy person in the inaE - ChAri(ed. The Jury consulted for a few minutes, and then turned a verdict for the defendant. COURT OF COMMON PLEAS, Fie. 26. 'RICE V. SNOW ♦ND ANOTHER. This was an action brought against the defends fur haring thrown the plaintiff off the Sovereit Brighton coach, un the 2i of October last. lie ct I witneases, one of whom swore the plaintiff the day before to the office, and in witness's presen, took his place by the Sovereign coach, which at there in the afternoon fee town. The tither nesse* proved the assault. Mr. Serjeaat VAUOHAN was for the plaintiff, Mr. S..rjeant Pew, for the defendant. Verdict for the plaintiff—Damages 10/. OLD &hitt L-aria • Yesterday Joh)a Whiiiisirsid P. Baker were the bar on an indichnent,,•charging them lids , ing from the workhouse of the patin4,4,Ednsontm rinantity of bed-linen;, and Thvostrf Sal t ier, at w' house the property was found, wan ;Oa indicts, receiving the same, knowing it to Gave been a! Flatter was fonnd not Witty, anti the others—fie Robert Nayler was indicced•for • burglary in dwelling-hentse *ffienjausin Newsom and steal therein a hioking-glass—Guihy of stealing to amount of 395. Mediae! Garcia stood indicted capitally, for ping on the highway, and takinir from the pergen Peter Cadet, a poor black, • hankerchief, mid worth of halfpence.—Guilty of stealing, but not force and violence. The Custmort SeRIIANT said, he owed his exists to the verphsettifttl verdict of the Jury, and it ported hiee for ' Joseph Haggett its :lbdieted for stealing a containing some leather, the property of a Mr. Geld' a currier. The only evidence against the prisoner was thi a lad lathe name of Lorimer. He stated that he by the desire of the prisoner, taken the leather given it to Deborah Haggett, (the daughter) for father. The prisoner had been 17 years a soldier, and Cul. of the regiment to which he belonged now peered to give him • character. The Cul. stated he had not a better soldier in his reginiznt. The Jury immediately found the prisoner not gull Debt r nugget, a child only sin years of age, daughter of the last witness, was put - to the .charged in the indictment with stealing a bag coot leg leather. The buy Lorimer then stated that he lor an her the bag to give to her father. The prosecutor, Mr. Udder, said that he did thinklanioner was to he believed 1111011 his oath. The Common SCRJRANT Baia, the ta t ion this ksee the girl could not be convicted. Against ari cues tender age, the strongis: torlilener was req , .161 'before a cons ictiou Was vououticed, as the law ._.J . ' . • - ~ with; ways supp o sed that In children of each an ..g. • ty st bat knowledge was merely to be fouqd. gra- The Jury immediately acquitted the child. m . • . . , , . . 1 • ''.. st was The CoatouW SWOON,' asked asked what was the date of • Iptory the commitment? t, and Mr. Brown, the keeper of Newgate, implied, tha• it knew was the 12th of February. of the Mr. AnoLettes ob d, that it was "very ;mos enths. per commitment. He thought It right to etate, that their since-the child was committed, the greatest poss'il'e As care had been taken of her by the order of Mr. d pro- Brown, and even a nurse had been employed for th • , it was purpose. of one The COMMON SERJRANT had no doubt that Mr. r that Brown in this instance, as in every other, had ta :en Lord- care that every thing should be done which justice and have humanity demanded. of the The following prisoners were capitally conricted :- Fond Daniel Withy, aged 19, for burgiariously breaking would anti entering the dwelling-bnose of Caroline Steitz, X. be in with intent to steal thereon; •nd Wen. Flaehninn. • aged 26, for assaulting Wm. Skinner on the King's • d that highway, and taking from his person ten pounds, his other property. d that - . LONDOwV MAIIKETS, FEB. 26. :e was arose COTTON.-The pnrChases of Cotton since our last ..• bring are limited to 900 bags, viz.-The low qualities of 8.W.: delay. gals are in request at 51.1. aod 50. but few parcels dre , e from offering: the liner descriptions are neglected. atural StaiAll.-The improvement we noticed on Toesslity • i It the last continued through the week, and such was the . scarcity of good Sugars, that the holders in several in- " rim ' stances realised a further advance. This forenoon there , ho all have been few purchases of Mascorades ; the holders, ird for however, are sanguine'of obtaining a further advance. at the and are asking higher prices, which have not yet been . out of acceded to; no alteration in the currency ran be stated in re- , a since Friday last. The accounts lately received fro as u , house the West Indies report generally a deficiency in the crop. The Refined market has remained steady flr some time past; the inferior qualities are in guod .te• mand for packing and for melting; the finer samples I are comparatively neglected. Molasses have been ..„ • much inquired after at the improved quotation; but to • ar.• day the demand appears in some measure to have sub- .r, and sided. house COFFEE.-The public sales of Coffee brought for- 0:. ward last week, consisted of 282 casks and 1076 bags, the greater proportion Foreign descriptions. The pun- lic sale this forenoon consisted of 108 casks' Jamaica - - Coffee; the previous prices were fully supported. The fine ordinary Jamaica sold at very high prices, but genm•• gen e- rally we can make no alteration in the quoted curre , y. KCAL BRANDY, and HOLLANDS.-There is st:!1 i ecover much interest excited as to the probability of the inter- nal:les course between the West Indies and the Vnited States ' 1 , being re-opened; the expectation of the measure heirs, . Y air - immediately carried ism execution, is however, checked if cot- by the proceedings in Parliament on Friti.y last. It cis el• • • elfard. have ',gain come into request, and the•prires are a slii4e t ,gainst higher than at the close of last week: for proof Lie- w eed . wards Is. 51. has th•en realised. Brandy is heavy, bit .• iron gt • i without alteration as to price.-t ?envy* is still neglectel. HEMP, FLAX, and TALLOW.- l'he Tallow.niarket ember ' remains in the late uncertain state; the reports relative turned to a new duty are still vague and contradictory; the o(itettion was agitated in the lions, of Commons; no sre a • e pro. ttsfartory reply wet given which ens lead us to forin an • L or d. opinion on the subject. The extensive holders and 5;..... ~..,.. relaters ea 58s. for yelloaraiMaditetallioser bur elsts qua- -e- - • lodged tatioo must be considered entirely nominal ; the 16a actual sale was about 575. The trade have turned 14 1 ' ts ) for attention to the old Tallow, and for yellOw candle of the i , • •Iford, previous year several sales are reported at 51s. Thar , I lle money have also been I contracts for yellow candle T. • wanes low for arrival; in bond, at 41s. and duty free, for ... 1 home-consumption, 485.--Hemp is in more requst at , I. sen re , they higher prices.-Flax is little varied.-1 he lette 0 received front St. Petersburg yesterday were data 1 i . Ist instant. the Exchange was quoted higher, a fractia i 4 below 9161. , SPICF:S.-Bv public sale last week, 190 hags Pi- mento, I fine quality, but stalky, sold in large parcels 19!I 1 and 1044. The quantity brought forward is, borates:. • I 'saws too extensive for the demand, and in consequence aft ereign ill afd per lb. has to-day taken place: a considerah; • • called proportion was taken in. The first quality of Cina a coon, and the (linger of the last India salt. cowman 1 t ff went premium ; other Spier, are wi:bout alteration.-Pera.•: •esence is very heavy. . starts IRISH PROVISIONS.-The prices of Beef and Par': er wit- are little villa-Baron maintains the late advance, an I . there is considerable business doing.-The tine deacri?• t fy, Bo a tione of Butter sell at the previous prices, hut the log es• ' qualities are very dull, The imports of Dutch Batter are falling off; the quotations must in cousequence la t stated at hig her rates. OILS.- There are few purchasers of Fish Oils re- ported . Greenland remains steady, 221. 10s. a 231. Tts , S South Sea Oil last week went off 2:1/. a 231. 10a. Lit i put to seed Oil is a shade lower; Rape without variation. a•••-- I steal- COURSE OF EXCHANGE.-Tuasnay. A i . .ton a Amsterdam, 128 C. F. Bilbao, 361 Barcelona 35 whose Ditto, at sight, It 5 Seville, 38 (Abraham 1101- ; 1 ed . for Rotterdam, 2 5 1 12 9 Leghorn, 471. Genoa, 43! Antwerp, Venice, 27 GO Malta, lb 1 if .!O l en. Hambe-gh. g 7 4 Naples, 401 Whoa, atai ;alley. Alpena, 37 5 ("porta 501 Rio Jaaalro da in the Paris, S days sight, 1 1 5 40 Palermo. 1 19- Sahli, 51 1. i Ditto 25 70 Dublin. Of per mt. i• calk' g Rord;aus, 25 70 I Cork, fit per eel* rpm o c • to the F ra nkfo r t on th e Main e , 1550 F or . go ld i n hare.31.175.)01.1 Petersburg, 81 3 U. New DOOINCWWW, W. MM. ' stop. Vienna, 10 12 Er. Flo. New Dollars, 44.91 d. , • Trieste 10 It Er. Flo. Silver in bars, litandami„ “in of Trieste , 37 Cadlg.:1111 4s. Iht. - 1 1 with ARUNDIL COHN M•PilLitio.-Old Wheat, 141.; New . Wheat, 101. to lit per hied ; Barley, albs. to 205.; • -. .1 Vence and Oats, 16s. to 20e. per quarter; Tire., 3a. 61. trans. to 4.. ; Pease, 3a. 64. to 3s. 94. ; and Brans; 4s. per bcshel. Flour. 141. per gallon ; gaugers' Loaf, a bag sti; Coals, 365. to 425. per chaldron ; .and Hay, A'. .- i 'elder, per too. At the bust-market at Arundel, on 'Nesday, this 1• hat of supply of beef was not so oueiderablir al at may c., e had, former markets, bat it nevertheless equalled the de. , ✓ and mand. The chew of sheep wee large, upwards of 1,301 s . ✓ her being cooped, nearly the win:oleo( which were dispolmi of, the prices varying jot little from last market Jay. • d the Wether mutton fetch from 3s. 6d. to 3s. Bd.; ewe w ap• mutton, 3s. tri, to 3s. 44.; and beef, 31. 2d, to 3s. BJ. • , I I that per stone. Pigs were in plenty, e n d th e p r i ces near ly il the same. There vu a good sheer of sag anal 'cat t •nilty. horses.. II r, and CHICHISTER CORN MAiiir.--7111specor's •Verig(ll: • e bar Wheat, 395. Ithl (being 11,1 . fe es ti tan last return) ; stain- Barley, 17s. Hid. per quarter ; O a ts. 15;. 2/1 . • : f i to had Beau. 245. t Pease, 254 4.1. Chichester market, on Wedoradiy.ked in thetoriant ; d not supply o f m e at, beekfetching 6s. 4d. J o i nd Jo. 64. per la , 1 1' slue; prime mutton the same; 5110 fat water? were 4 s evi- drives off for Smithfield ; oats were sold eat lids. It c child sack frit= • tarpon waggon, i 'giM`ake t myearenebt to .a . :: retpti_ small purchasers; good meadow hay (io*'11114) 1 3.. 'l%. • it , . iw al. lUs. per ton, upl a nd co mantis superior rice& ,'• • • ' .i,:1 : . .:: . ....':, • 1 - -. .... _ .. _ -- - - • - - .:.:::.: ...: •:. \ • • . • . • • • • , 11'.• „;.. •