The Statesman. — London, England, 1812-01-30 00:00:00

_~+~~.. I . i ~_ I' • • making the Bill permanent instead of tem he agreed with Sir J. Newport; but he a agree with him in his objections to the ae 'the English census in 1801. His own em end enquiries had given him reason to think ttatements were correct; and in confirma ie alleged increase of population, he must that a detailed account lately taken in the 'christenings went far to chew that a very tble accession had accrued. Leave was than could be obtained only from himself : and such in. quiry, according to the present order, might lead I him to criminate himself. As to the point of evi dence insisted on by the last Speaker, he (Mr. Per ceval) conceived that the House might very possibly be disposed t# allow an extract of its proceedings to be taken ; and such 'extract would, undoubtedly, be received as evidence against a person in any court of law in the kingdom. Lord FOLKESTONE said, he could not compre , bend how the House could come at the qualification unless the order stood as it was originally made. It appeared that a measure of great importance, viz. the qualification of Magistrates, had been passed into a law ; and slow when it came to be enquired into, it was alleged, that if application was made to the clerks, they could not give the necessary information as to the exact situation of these qualifications. It was, therefore, incumbent on the House to ascertain this point according to the enactment of the law ; and I it appeared to him that could only be done by suffer ing the order to stand as originally made. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, the order as it stood must be productive of great in. conveniences, without a possibility of coming at the, truth. Police Magistrates might have been duly qua. lified, and have given in a particular place where that qualification lay at the time they became Magistrates ; and yet, having parted with that property, there was uo way of coming at the foundation of where their ! qualification now lay, but by compelling them to as. certain it. This did not apply to Police Magistrates alone, but to every Justice of Peace in the kingdom. Mr. BANKES thought it would be easy to mo dify the matter effectually by an Amendment of . the present motion, in only adding a few words so • as to reach that qualification under which the Ma gistrate began to act. Howes sure the House would ever be slow to exercise its inquisitorial power ; but Iso far as this went, he thought it might very fairly be I done. Lord. A. HAMILTON moved, that this debate be adjourned to Friday. Mr. RYDER objected to the adjournment, as he had given two days notice, and had also sent a pri vate intimation of his intention, and of the purport of his motion to the Hon. Bart. who had originally brought forward the subject. Lord FOLKESTONE said, the Right Hon. Gen tleman gave his notice only on Monday evening, when almost all the Members had left the House. For his own part he knew nothing of it till he saw the no tice yesterday afternoon, just before he came into the House. lie should therefore vote for the adjourn meet of the debate to Friday. On a division, the numbers were, for the adjourn. ment, 21—against It 53. ' Mr. Ryder's motion passed without a division. On our being re-admitted, The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER . moved for a list of the Magistrates acting under the Police Bill, with their original qualifications.— , i Agreed to. :DEN gave notice of a motion for Tuesday .t, lative to the Expenditure of the Civil List. Potach, MAGISTRATES. Mr. Secretary RYDER rose to move for the dis c iarge of so much of the order of Sir Francis Bur dett relating to the Police Magistrates, as required from them a list of their qualifications (under the statute) for holding their of - Rees, viz. a statement of 44 where they are and what they are." The impro. priety of this part of the order had been pointed out to hini•bv a Learned Member not, now in his place, the Attorney-General. It was this,—The Act im poses severe penalties on those Magistrates who do not comply sith its conditions ; and the tendency, therefore, of the Hon. Baronet's Motion would be to exact from the Magistrates such accounts as might subject them to criminal proceedings for a breach of the statute. Ile had communicated his own seeti. Intuits and intentionsen this -topic to Hon. Boto net two days ago ; bet as he hail streived,n o answr, he supposed thatliti"iispeopriety was acknowledged by the lion. Baronet. in contlelion, is. slyOuld merely state, that he had no communication ivhaftvelr with any Magistrate. Ile therefore moved, that so much of the order should be discharged as required a statement "..what and where are the qualifications of Magistrates." Mr. WIHTBREAD observed, that perhaps the Honourable Baronet had not received the communi cation : at any rate the order should not be dis charged in his absence, without giving an opportu nity of stating any objection to such a proceeding. Ile could not see the great inconvenience to Magi strates which was apprehended by the Right Ho non able Secretary. It might perhaps be the object of Sir F. Burdett to shew that some one Magistrate had not given in the required specification of his qua lifications, which would no doubt be the ground of a penalty. This might be the object—but not having had any communication with the Hon. Baronet, he could net tell ; yet, aLany rate, he saw no reason why the House should not postpone the debate on this subject. Mr. Secretary RYDER said, he had no doubt that his note had been received, for it was left at the house of the lion. Baronet. He might afterwards, if he pleased, revive the order by taking the sense of the House. Sir JOHN NEWPORT strongly objected to this last proposal. It would lead to this absurdity, — that the House should be employed ore day to make an order, next day to rescind it, and afterwards to revive it. For himself he could see no harm in mak ing the Magistrates give in an account of their quali fications. What would be the result ?—merely, that the Legislature shoui• interfere to take cognizance of4heir conduct, instead of the qui lain informers. — At all events, the debate ought to be deferred till the Hon. Baronet came down. Sir THOMAS TURTON could by no means agree with the last Speaker, that it was the duty of this House to compel Magistrates to render accounts which might criminate themselves. The lion. Hato met ought to have attended. Mr. TIERNEY said, that it did not follow be cause the Hon. Baronet had not answeivd the corn.. municatioa, that be therefore assented to it. What was the meaning of the present Motion? An order is made for , Magistrates to state their qualifications ; and the Right Hon. Secretary moves to alter it, be cause he finds that some Magistrates will be crimi nated by it. [No ! no! from the Ministerial Benches.] Why really that was the result of his reasoning, when stated, that it might produce great inconveni ence to some Magistrates, He himself thought the order very useful. If any Magistrates had evaded the act, it was fit they should be animadverted upon : if any should be found to have acted unintentionally, it would be in the power of the House to relieve therm He could not approve of the suggested method of reviving the order. It would give the other side of the house an opportunity of using their favourite moment, that after the House had once expressed its sense by a majority, it should not again be taken t the same subject. Mr. KENRICK thought that the House would exercise its iniquisitorial power very improperly, if I HOUSEHOLD BILL, it f reed Maeistrates to criminate themselves; nor On the question, that this Bill be read a third wo I Pi. order produce the desired effect. Thepre- time, sent q_ualilica lone of •Magi Orates might be xery. dif- J Mr. C. HUTC.HINSON said, be could got sunk ferent from those "whip they possessed at first ; they l it to pass any farther stage with a silent vote. He was might have sold or changed their original qualifica- much dissatisfied with the whole of the arrangements ; tions ; and it would be too inquisitorial for the many of which, he was sorry to say, shewed a profll- House to demand an account of changes which it gate expenditure of the public money. He was far might be inconvenient to'state, from wishing to abridge the Crown of any thing that Mr. HORNER asked, was it to be endured, that was necessary to its dignity and splendour, but he the House should be required to give up its inquisi- could not agree to the 70,0001. which was to go to torial power, because the parties examined before it the payment of the Prince Regent's debts. Ile would perhaps be found to have broken the law ? I thought it would be much more to the honour of the Was it not rather the objest of their inquisitions to Prince, and to the dignity of the House, to have detect such criminals ? But he denied, that in this paid all these debts, and given the Prince the whole case the Magistrates would be called on to criminate of the Civil List, He objected to all the other parts themselves. The proper officers appointed in every of the Biil on much the same grounds as Mr. Tierney county would present the desired information to the arid others had -previously done. He found great House. At any rate, the present proposition was fault with the large sum ranted to the Marquis not to be endured. It was, indeed, a principle of Wellesley for a few months' expences in Spain; and law, that a man should not be called on to criminate thought the House ought not to lose sight of the himself, because his confession might be used to his strictest economy in our expenditure, as we were conviction. But the evidence received in that House engaged in a most expensive war, which no one could not be admitted as evidence to criminate a man could venture to say when it would end ' • and that out of 'it. No court of justice would allow it. He our resources were in such a state, he feared we insisted, therefore, that the House should not, by could not carry It on more than a very few years for admitting the proposition just suggested, destroy at want of means. He also found fault with the cl one blow their whole inquisitorial power. Admit it pences of our embaisy to the Turkish Court; tied. now, said the Hon. Member, and it will be used thought it not only idle, but injurious to our inte v hereafter as a precedent to check all inquiries into rests, to attempt to vie with the expensive splendour criminal abuses. of the embassies of France, Russia, and other Go-, The CHANCELLOR. of the E4CHEQUER ob. vernments, sent to the Ottoman Court. He begged served, in support of Mr. Kenrick, r that a Magistrate pardon of the House for having so long detained might possibly be qualified at the taking of his office, them ; but conceiving the Bill to be of the highest hid a list of such qualification might. easily be fin- Importance in all its provisions, he could not, con nihed by the regular officer appointed for such par- sistently with that duty he owed to his consti poses ; but if he had cheesed his original qualifica- treats and to himself, suffer it tit pass without two Lion, the nature of that $l ha At present held catering bit protest against it. REGENCY EXPENCEM MUG. On the question, that the Regency Expences Bill be read a second time, Mr. TIERNEY begged to ask a question of the Right lion. Gentleman. On a former night, that Right Hon, Gentleman had promised to give some information how the proceeds of the Duchy of Lan. caster were to be applied, with respect to medical advice, attendance, &c. ; and particularly as to the 10,0001. mentioned in the Bill. He, therefore, wished to know if he could then satisfy him on that head. The CHANCELLOR of the EACH EQU Elt said, he was sorry it was not in his power to say any thing decisive on the subject. The Council had not as yet come to any settlement on that point. He believed, however, it was intended to carry the whole surplus of the proceeds of the Duchy of Lancaster to the account of the Privy Purse ; and out of that, 10,0001. was to be applied towards defraying the expellees of medical advice, attendance, &c. Sir J. - NENVPORT wished to know what was to 'be done with the Civil List of Ireland. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, no arrangement had yet been made on that head; and he conceived, that the surplus, after what was at the disposal of the Lord Lieutenant, would I be so small, that it would ,be of no great consequence I either to the King or the Regont, The Bill was then read a second time, and ordered to be committed on Friday. Mr. LUOHNO roN brought up the Report on the Household Officers' Bill, which was read and lagreed to, end ordered to be read a third time on Friday. - Is • THE STA MAN. ~~, ... ~.; ,q • se: ** - 1 ' Ahr: . • - _.., The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, be was sure the House would not expect him to follow the argument of the Hon. Gentleman, 'after the very ample discussion which the Bill had re ceived. There was one point, however, which, As it was novel, it was requisite for him to notice, and that was respecting our Embassies to the Ottoman Court. Those of France and Russia had certainly been car lied to a high pitch of expensive splendour ; and in that, we had never iu any degree attempted to vie with or imitate them. It was for the House, how ever, to consider, whether it would be proper or po litic, that we should so far divest our Ambassadors Ofiwlitat was naturally in the course of affairs attach ed to their character, as to materially lessen their weight and dignity, merely to save an expence,which, when compared with those he had mentioned, was positively insignificant in its amount. Mr. ARBUTHNOT said, that as an opportunity would soon be afforded to speak particularly to this subject, he should now say but a very few worth.— Ile should pass over every thing relating to himself ; but he would inform the Hon. Gentleman, that of such importance did France deem her Embassies to the Porte, that a fleet had been for some time lying at Toulon for the purpose of taking an Ambassador in a suitable manner to Constantinople. The Bill was then read a third time, and passed.— Adjourned to Friday.. FOILEIGN ATTELLIGENCA • -••••=7- We yeiterday reeeiveilitarobiirgh Paper, to the Bth instant, from which the following are extracts:— I HAmeutten, JAN. 7.—lf we add to the details in the Moniteur the intelligence from Copenhagen, we find that the English on the coast of Denmark hare not suffered less than on the coast of Holland. Nothing is more natural than to deduce front the shipwreck of the St. George, the patron of Great Bri tain, the symbol of an act of solemn justice by the Divine Government directed against the nation which employs its policy only to pour forth the blood of its subjects and its blind allies for the sake of the gold of its neighbours, and to use its latest efforts in the sup post of that national credit which is the ruin of man. kind." _ _ _ " COPENHAGEN, DEC. 31.—The Officers of Pub- lic health have given notice, that the yellow fever has broken out in the Canaries, and that a danger dm disease raged at New Jersey, in America. In consequence of this information, precautions are adopted with respect to the Canaries as a place of contagion, and with regard to New Jersey as a sus pected place." " NAPLES, DEC. 7.—According to the most re cent news from Corfu, two frigates had arrived to cruise in that neighbourhood, and two more were to be employed on the same duty from Toulon.—The English have made an•attempt upon Reggio, the re sult of which is that they have had many killed and wounded, without accomplishing their obje:t." C A iTELN AU DAI ItY, DEC. 16.--A Laboratory for the manufacture of sugar from beet root, has been established here since the Ist inst. It is easy to anticipate its advantages, and the proprietors are already anxious to expose to sale their commodity. The Public Authorities second the views of these individuals, who deserve particular encouragement." " CASSEL, DEC. Excellency Count Ma rio, Grand Page of his Majesty, Commandant of the Royal Order of the Crown of Westphalia, &c. &c. died here yesterday, after 30 hours of agony. Ile was assassinated the evening before by a common labourer. General consternation has been occasion ed in this capital by the circumstance." ' Arr. Mails. Due. 1 0 0 0 0 KING CNA RLIII I II IVAiTTittocow--Ifoliday e 141 Public Officer. •''THE STATESMAN. LONOON: PliillUDAY, irlimly3o, 1812. 'N6ll' r' NOTTI. ALAN RIOTS. The disturbances with which this unhappy part of the country have been long afflicted, seem rather to , be increasing than diminishing, notwithstanding there is a strong miStary force in that quarter, and the most active of the Bow-street Officers have been sent dQwu to assist them. The Luddites, as they are r termed, are, in fact, so vigilant in their operations, that not one of them can be seized, while they con, tinue, with a daring unparalleled, to commit the Imost extensive depredations against private property. The following letter, which we received this morning *from our Correspondent at Nottingham, contains some interesting and important particulars on this very alarming subject, which have uut yet met the public eye NOTTINGHAM, JAL 29. It Is a consequence that might naturally be ex• petted, from the number of men cast out of employ ment and rendered desperate by want, that crimes would increase, both in magnitude and number ; and ludeed such is the case ; for, as the frames are broken, the frasne-breakers increase, and their de structive, daring, and systematic operations increase In a like proportion. This neighbourhood has in fact the appearance of a state of active warfare : sol diers are daily passissg to and fro, and are quartered upon the farmers, for went of public-Muses to con tain titans ; ad the trembled eta* of the pub . IF , • 4111.1; priety of PorarY) h ,ouuu 110 t curacy of perieoce a that the st • lion of tlu mention, article of consideral granted. Mr. EI next, vela 1 .0 L- ;;k TO CORRESPONDENTS. The Letter of " An Officer in the Navy," as to the trial of Cap tain IL—, is so gross a libel upon that gentleman, that we are surprised any Officer in his Majesty's Navy could expect its insertion in any journal whatever. If " blaNti" will favour us with his name and address, a satis factory explanation will be transmitted him on the subject to which he alludes. " B."we have no doubt, will meet with every satisfaction he can require, by applying to the individual of whom he couiplains. The Pon-office alone is to blame for the delay in the delivery of the STATESMAN. ' - lic mind is hourly on the increase. In my last, I stated, that more than twenty frames had becu broken at Lenton, on Thursday evening last, within sight of our barracks; and I now have to state, that two others were broken and actually car. ried away at Bobbens-mill, about a mile from thi. town. These things, however, were but the pre. cursors of aggressions sttli more daring a:id extensile; for, on Saturday night, the frame-breakers passed over the Trent, and broke twenty frames at Clifton (leaving but two whole in the town), and fourteen at Ruddington. An express was inimediately dispatch- ed to this town for a troop of the Hussars, who proceeded to the s,:eue of action with al: imaginable speed ; and as many of the Bunny Troop of Yeomanry, as could be conveniently informed of the passifig outrage, were assembled.— The. hamlets in the vicinity were alt in alarm; all the roads and bye-paths leading to the Trent were occupied ; and all the passages over that river, for four miles, were guarded, and the Luddites were considered as good as taken ; but a boat, called Aaron's Boat, which nobody else had thought of, • about four miles and a half up the Fiver, was seized by them, and they passed over in safety, fired their pieces, and marched in triumph away The same night a frame as broken at Baia - ell, while under the protection of a serjeant and sit"tlien belonginglo the Berkshire militia : the parties l exchalard shots several times ; but the Luddites escaped with the loss of a shoe and a hammer. On Sunday night forty five frames were broken at Selsan and the adjacent hamlets ; and the same evening, about seven o'clock, three frames were destroyed at 13asford, at the house of one WiLt.tAst BARNS, under the following daring circumstances t—As three soldiers, who had the care of the frames that night, were sitting by the fire, with their arms resting by them, , they were instanta- neously seized by a body of men who rushed into ilia house; and, while a proper guard , was placed over . . them, two men seized their muskets and stood sentry at the door; and, when the frames were demolished, thetnuskets were discharged, the soldiers were Hbc, rated, and the depredators wished them a good night, —On Mouthy evening three other frames were broken at the same village; and one of them was afterwards placed at the top of the Ruund-house; or, as it there called, the Drunkard's Chapel, where it was left as a spectacle, and seen by hundreds, and the wood-work was burnt in an adjoining field.—. The same night, twenty-six frames were broken at Catgrave, a village six miles south of the Trent; and the depredators escaped over the Stoke ferry. ,boat, without any controul. Can it be believed, that these things are done in the face of three regi ments of soldiers, eight Bow-street Officers, who are daily ciauming as many 'shapes as Ike god Pao 'ruts ; and a Police as numerous as it is vigilant ? Yet this is the fact ; and, notwithstanding the seizure of many men, it is believed that not one real frame. breaker has been taken. Hottever this may be, it is understood that the Bow-street runners have not been able to obtain any information from those in custody, though, according to report, they have held the halter in one hand, and abundance of tempting gold in the other. Yesterday four prisoners were brought in by military escorts, two of whom were persons who have had frames broken in their houses, on suspicion of conniving at the outrages ; and another was a poor maniac of this town, of the name of Joust WAPLINHTQN, and who, at the pre. sent time, Is a pauper belonging to Sr. Mary's l'a rish. This unfortunate wretch was brought in by a Bow-street Officer, and about half.a-score Hussars, with as much fury and circumspection as if they bad gotten Bosapatert in tow. It was truly laughable to see one of these celebrated guardians of the great metropolis, with a wandering maniac by his side in a cart, and whose situation, is no doubt, amended by being taken care of, whipping and cutting along the streets, with ten Hussars to clear the way. It is sup , postal that WAPLINGTON had been en one of his wan dering excursions, and was tak n up on suspicion of being a runnaway frame-breaker. es • • -- " 161 !"777. lamas: - • • the Dublin Papers, which IttelitieeiVidlids Morn ing to the 28th instant, oontain part of the proceed ings in the Court of King's Bench Sherri:on Mon day last, on the trial of Mr. Klawax, one of the Irish Delegates. The Court were •engagect princi pally on that day in trying a challenge made by the Defendant's Counsel to the array of the Jury, of which the following account is given In the Dublin Evening Herald, of the 27th This morning the trial of Mr. Kirwan corn. menced in the Court of King's Bench, and this me. ment we have been informed that the following most unprecedented circumstance in the History of TRIAL BY JURY--transpired " IT APPEARED THAT SIR CHARLES SAX TON SELECTED A NUMBER . OF NAMI FOR THE SHERIFF, TO BE I'LACED. ON THE PANNEL, WHICH WERE TO TRY THE DELEGATES. " The circumstances that transpired, were the fol. lowing :—The Crown Solicitor applied to Sheriff jaucs for a Copy of the Pannel, which he refused. But having left 1:, by accident, in his Office for one hour, a Copy somehow found its way into the hands of Sir CHARLES Saxton, who sent for, and had -a conference with Mr. KEIIMIS on the arrangement of the Jurors' names. The original list contained 116 names.—it.waa reduced to 101 ; several names worotomposed in the list, and, some erased from Y'_.