The Statesman. — London, England, 1812-07-02 00:00:00

t) ! THE STATESMAN. • riot); in: o dee, ' • • ;miler •.! s;l1V 110 troohds for being apprehensive at pmpereoncessions; with mit t bie a-rarities given. Lora CA .M DEN was tinsircias to guard any coo reoiten who. i it might he found necessary to make to the Ca tholics with wholesome Nvorities. He hart, hinguage repeated to him which had necn employed (111 a recent and similar occa sion in another place, by a Right Flom and eloquent Gent. (t)r. Grattan) Islich hal mancneed his mind to form the most favotirable conclusions of making curtectssions to the Catholic claims. That inetnoraidespecch had tukeu much of the anxiety from his mind, and he could, therefore, vote for the present ma tion without any reluctance. The Duke of NORFOLK was of opinion, that every man in the realm had a nttukal right to wondtip . God ac. cord in;; to the dictates of his own heart, after having given pro. per Fecoritirs to the nation, that he would lease the Govern. mem :lad the I.tiablishrd Church Iminolestell. ave had wit- TieSSrd 10:11 c!:ecring effects the prompt renunciation of our Ar den- in Council Had accomplished, amongst the murmuring ma nofart mem ; and he hoped. that tiv a conces s ion equally prompt, we n ou:d conciliate the minds of by Catholics. • A Noble lzrd, who, as we were Informed, was the Earl of WA MS' ICK, spoke in hos:airy to the motion, from the cross beech. The Earl of- MOIRA said, that his Noble Friend (Lord Holland) had replied so folly and to ably to the speech of the Noble Lord on the Woolsack, who had moved the previous question, that he should not and it nosessary to trouble the House at any length. Some Noble Lords seemed to have more than misun derstood, they had misrepresented - what fell from the Noble Marquis who introduced the subect, fer r reme who supported this motion, were pledged to any thing more than the mere consideration of the Catholic Claims. He requested such persons who were inclined to give opposition, to reflect upon the present condition of the Empire ; to advert to the ferment its Ireland, to the discenteftt and 'dis turbances in the interior, upon which 'sealed do cuments had been delivered to a • Secret Committee only yesterday. Was it then nothing in favour of the motion to say, that it would, in the interval, between the present and the ensuing Session of Par liament, troopmillize the irritated minds of four mil lions of people, so loyal, that they only requested to be &lowed to serve their country ? Were men, who with such a prospect before their eyes, refused coeciliate, fit to be entrusted with the Administra tion of the country at these times.—[llear, hear, hear!]—lie lamented that the Irish Catholics, upon a recent occasion, had thought fit to adopt Reso lotions, which under the circumstances were impru (lest, boo still he confessed that they breathed a ge nerous British spirit. If, however, the conduct of the Catholics had been more objectionable, it ought • to have no influence upon the decision of Parliament; I, if on other grounds it appeared that concession was ; not only politic but necessary : in his Lordship's opi mints it would be the extreme of folly to resist the present motion, because a few individuals had acted 'without due deliberation. [Hear! hear!] Above all, if it were a boon, the gra mt of which was ne cessary for the security of the State, he could not believe that it would be for a moment resisted. Ths , Mottle Lord who spoke last had prophesied the fall of time Establishment; such prognostications were hi no way warranted by the conduct of any portion of the subjects of the Crown ; the Protest. ant had the testimony of all Ireland to prove that the Church would be secure: the danger was not from :‘••, but from rejection. [Hear, hear!]- 11 1 i!.. 'otitioners were sent hack disappointed, they s , • • !:i soon return in double force; and when resist-- syss. in any other mode was found vain, the cry simt be renewal that the Church was in danger.— `is l e experience of a century and a half had proved, ts.t by eselnsion the Established Religion hod made no proselytes; and the opinions uttered . by the Noble lost L'arned Lord on the Woolsack, were so ill suit ed to the timss its which we.lived, that they came limp. isg 50 years behind the period at which we were ar rived. The mode in whirls the subject had been met by a motion of the previous question, would only resew instend of terminating discussions; the in temperance so much censured, was hut the symptom of an :into:whin fever which would inevitably sue c TO., if the proposition of the Noble Marquis Were set aside by the previous question.—Elicoe, lvvr 11—Th, conduct of the Noble Mover of the previous question rentiseled him of the situation of an naskilful riles., who was placed upon the back of a geeerons and high spirited horse. Alarmed at the peril in which the rider was placed, he tightly grasped the rein, anti to check the impatient prancing of his steed, snatched the curb, thus placing himself in real Clanger, because he had first given way to unreason &sits fears. If the motion of the Noble Marquis wet'• thus disposed of by the previous question, his Lordship pledged himself that even before the end of the short remaining period of the Session, the claim of the Catholics would be renewed in that House With fresh vigour, and he hoped with better success. With r e gard to securities, he believed, that the best that could, by possibility, be informed, was the alle giance of the Catholics, arising from affection for and interest in the Government. Such had beets the opi nion of Mr. Pitt, after consulting all the Catholic Universities on the subject of oaths, and much also were Isis Lordship's sentiments. So feeling, he should give th; proposal his hearty support, although he should not have objected to a more general and sweeping vote. Viscount SIDMOUTH said, that the grounds up on which resistance had been formerly made to the Catholic claims, was from a firm belief, that the in lampposte and lofty tone in which they had to that per;od indulged, made any concession dangerous. They were described as having arrayed themselves in the armour of right, and that they had thrown them selves in a menacing attitude. That was a most in surnsontstable ob j ection. Then let them look in what manner the Catholics had conducted themselves down to t he present periinl. They had certainly kept them selves within the pale of. the law, but then who could help regretting the difficulty with which they accom. plished it ? The Rouse was called upon to go into an honest consideration of the subject by the Noble Marquis's introductory speech , and his motion indi cated the almost extent of unlfmited concession. Unless, therefore, he could find that he could go to the extent of the motion with a safe conscience, it would be dishOnest in him to consent to it. His own views would be limited, and the views of the friends of the motion unlimited. To consider on the part of thei) Loidships according to the terrns.of the motion wosild be to concede to an unlimited extent. We were not to measure our concessions to the Catholics by the loudness of their clamour—they were desirous oiTtnatiOpstion of a political nature ; but they re. ricked - enfranchisement from ignorance and poverty more than from political disabilities. A favourable recurrence - of events were required to lead them emancipation. Let them legislate as their forefathers had done, and tiot by a hasty measure interfere in the inward economy of the Church. Under these impressions, he should give his vote for the previous question. The Marquis of HEADFOUT spoke in so inau dible a tone of voice, that we could not discover on what side of the question he spoke. , The Marquis of LANS:)OWNE said, that far , advanced as the Session of Parliament was, and the I business in which it was engaged of the utmost impor tance, he was ready for one to vote that the claims ; of the Catholics should be taken into immediate con- I sideration. Nothing could serve so succesifelly to quiet and compose the minds of the people at such la juncture a! the present. lle was not prepared, as lit had been apprehended, that the Noble Marquis i was to make unlimited concessions, but he would vote for the Motion, under an impression of the practica bility' of the measure. And were they to be told, that in bestowing general rights upon all the people, that all the reciprocity would be upon one side ? Concessions baked, of a very tnederate nature, had i been offered to he made towards the Catholics, hot to wilily ticat. they were desired to email cipate thentstives from ignorance and from po verty—What an accusation ! Good Heaven ! could they expect a people to become rich to whom all the porches to honour and Clete were closed. By the manner in which they had guided Ireland, they na turally caused her to cast her eyes abroad for as sistance, and for instruction, which, tinder a more favourable Government, she should have found at home. Bat the Catholics had of late, by their de meanour, and by the pressingness of their claims, raised up friends in many an unexpected quarter.— Their l'rotes:aiit brethren were content to risk their Church Establishment, and their property, in making concessions to the Catholics. To that respectable body of men there had also been a light thrown in upon them from an unoxpected quarter, from which no light was expected.. This was the Government who were divided in their opinions, and by the speeches which they had made on the same occasion expressed the difforences between them. He would vote for the motion. The Duke of CC, MBERT.AND indulged favour. able opinions towards the claims of the Catholics, until he witnessed the Resolutions recently istted from Dublin. The Earl of LIVERPOOLwouId not give his vote for a measure, to the conclusion of which he could not clearly see his way ; if he did sp, he would ec. in a way diselaceful to his own character, and tie would deceive the House if he consented to go into the enquiry without the intention of concession.— Whetever his opinion of the question might be, he would never meet it with little shifts or little expe diencies. [Mar, hear!] If he could agree to the enquiry, it would be unmanly if he did not deter ; mine to carry the measure completely into effect.— ' It was not said that the power of the Pope was now greater than ever; but it was urged, with respect to his relation with France, that he might now be more dattrrous thou he had ever been; it Iva), therefore, a fair principle in a State, that no individual should participate in its privileges who did not owe it impti. • cit obedience. To agree to consideration without concession was dangerous; if they were no t to concede, they had betterinake resistance in Undue ) anduot break in on a long established system of laws. • He would oppose the Motion, because, if he ever was of opinion that Emancipation was wise, - he would be averse to the abolition of our set of laws without knowing what to substitute in their place. LordDONOt:( lINIOitE said, he heal, as it was well known to many of their Lorlships, 'Jived in ha. bits of strict fii - et,iship with the great Bed: of the Catholics; he had always been the strenuous advocate of their caust; and he did not, on the present occasion, feel himself less inclined to be , u than heretofore. lie complimented the netaly maimei• in witi.lt the Noble Earl who spo!se last ha , l met the question ; and con fessed he al eays a eisidered, that consideration in : volved concession ; and he would strenuously depre i cate the idea of deluding the Catholics by attortling them the one, and withholding from them the other. He adverted to the Resolutions of the late Aggre -gate Meeting in Dublin, and was sorry to tied they had made so strong an impression as they seemed to have done on the minds of some Noble Lards : but there would always occur in large public Bodies mo. tnetiLs of irritation, and it was not wonderful the 1 Catholics should feel a jealousy, when they found re-appointed to their situations the present Ministers, who had on all occasions sheen themselves so deci. dedly as their determined foes. lie e as weltnivare jof the value and importance of conciliation ; and as • he thought this measure would very materially tend to it, he would give it his hearty support. • Lord MELVILLE said, he rose to state shortly his reasons for voting as he should now do in favour of the present motion. In so doing, he could not charge himself with any inconsistency for feeling.as ' he did. Ile hoped the House would not only come Ito a consideration of the question, but with a de sire that such consideration might lead to the benefi cial results which the friends to the motion flattered themselves they might reasonably expect from its be ing carried in their faiour. He hoped, therefore, the House would feel it their duty to pursue their own steady course, and not be led away by any in-, temperate proceedings which might havelakett place among rash unadvised men ermine the Catholics.— He could not agree with a .Noble Friend of his; who had said, that if a stand was to be made, it Should tie made in fitnine; on the contrary, he was of opinion, that those who, in 1800, could not agree with. Mr. Pitt, ought to take the fink opportonity alfertied them of doing so. Since then, a very considerable, change had taken place in the •public opinion,- parti cularly in Ireland; and be should, therefore, ' • port the motion. • . Earl DARNLFY asked why Ministers had not at -once advised the Print, Regent to grant to the tholiet-tWir -claims 2 The disabilities had ittcreased . the numb* of the Catholics, and diminished thi number of Protestants. - Lord REDESDALE bad objected to 14014, rno r . tions ou forme, occasions, becapie . the *lotion: wpb' acconspittied by wo dietincl.proptisition. *He not opposed the present motion on the saint gtiMnd.. 'Lord GREisoriu,r, said; h Couldrunt .give hid vote on the present occasion without stating the view, on which alone he gave his vote. Ile agreed with the Noble Marquis who brought forward the motion, • that the greatest mischief which could be brought on the country, would be to deceive the Catholics at this moment, by holding out to them Illusory expec. tations. lie would not vote for the motion now, he never would vote for lt,lf he did not conceive that the j vote of the House would pledge them . to 'concession, not doled and parcelled out witha niggardly and Mac- tant hand, but going to the full extent of a total repeal of their disabilities. Wizen he said so, he did not ex. elude those securities which might be deemed neces sary to preserve the Protestant t:stahlishmet►t, being satisfied that upon the preservation of it depended the safety, happiness, and tranquillity. of bot h countries. He should prefer tc) the present motion a declaration that Parliament would, early next Session, proceed to a total repeal of those disabilities ; and he should pre. fer still more, a declaration that they would, at this moment, proceed to the repeal of them. But as he could not get what was most agreeable to his wishes, he gladly hailed that which was offered to him. If he were to rest on the opinion of the Authors of the Revolution, to whom a Nettle and Learned Lord (the ; Chancellor) had referred, he won!sl ish to ask, which of the two principles seemed more conformable to those there laid down, the Learned which would exclude four millions of our subjects front the benefit of the Constitution, or those on his side of the House, which ask you to admit all to equal rights? Earl STANHOPE said he rose to order, with the view of giving his Noble Friends on the Opposition side, a perfect certainty of carrying the motion, his object being, by means of a❑ Act of Parliament, on which he had chanced to lay his hand;, to turn the whole Bench of Bishops out of the House. His Lordship referred to an Act of Charies 11. subject ing Bishops who carne to Court be they took the Oaths in the House of Peers, t., the penalties of Popish Recusants. Ile was prt•ceedi:tg, when The LORD Cif A N C EL LOU 'moved that strangers de withdraw. The Howse almost immediately afterwards divided, For 11w motion Pri•l•rot Prnairs . 5l-125 Apiust the moti"ii recent 74 Proxies 52-126 Maj..rit v nvinq the /notion Adjournel at Four e'Clock:. HOUSE OF COMMONT4. • CEit , att .nded by the !Inns, went into the T • s, to hear the Royal Assent by ' Commission to a . • •• IL--for hieh see the Lords. LU itTIS pres:leed a Petition from the Silk Afanu , I.diye to the Last India trade, which was laid on lilt and stormed Lequeito, one of a chain of post iu the province of Biscay. We were at first repulsed ; but the sailors having procured a gun from the squadron, again resumed the attack with such lull etaositf, that they soon succeeded in storming the place, and took 3O prisoners, who are arrived in the If 4spur. We consider the termination of the discussion last night in the House of Lords, on the Catholic Ques. tion, as a cause of real triumph to the Irish people. The number of Members present was 251, out of which Lord LIVERPOOL could only count a majority of 0,41; 1 . Take from those who rated against the Motion, the Siostourer:, who were defeated last year in an attempt to introduce what they termed some 'titulary regulations as to the Di.senters, it will then be seen on which side the sense of the country lies. As we are assured the PurNcr. crvrentertains opinions favourable to the Catiteli; Claims, we cannot, after the great majority whic.i supported Mr.CAN N I NG . 7 , Abtloll, and looking at tha nature of the vote on Marquis AVFLLESLEY'S, Cuter. taut the smallest doubt, that his It.)yal wik direct an inire.oigation to be gone into; unless it, deed that tnolue influence, utich has of late been so successful, be again employed to poison the lto ia l ear. Previous to the rising of Marquis Wrt.tvir 1. the Duke of NUIZEOLK adverted to the fahrient statement, which appeared in the Courier on Tue.)- day evening, respecting an extraordinary Aggregate Meeting of the Catholics, said to have been held is Dublin, on Thursday last, and asked Lord Santo/Tit if there was any truth in that statement. To this hit Lordship answered, " that the Government had not received any information one way or another on the subject." Yet do we find the Courier of last night, in the face of this disavowal, in the face of all the Dublin Newspapers (which, by.the.bye, have reach. ecl us this morning to the 30th ult. and are still si. lent on the subject), and in the face of all probabi. lity, mnintaining, with their usual effrontery, that an Extraordinary Meeting was actually held on Thursday the 25th! !! Surely it is high time that the eyes of the public shoed be opened to the mi r serable and inf►mous tricks which are daily practised by this servile Journal, to deceive them. The India Trausfer Bill, and the Newfoundland Spirits' Bill, were severally read a third tittle, end pasted. TOI Eft icrun 4cr . . . The following Bulletin wai issued yesterday BULLETIN. WAR DEPARTMENT. Downing-stroet, July I, lin?. Dispat brs hate been received from lientenant,Gen. conintandlng at Gibraltar, and from Uskiori•Gen. Row, commanding at Cartbagrna. General 4:ANDREU:A Dispatch relates to the &blind of nes. Bku.ss-s E nnii, near liortion, in the neighbourhood of St. ams., 00 th e 1,..! ult. 'fbongh t h e Spanish General deemed it prudent to retreat, yet the lose of the enemy teas so severe, that they were florin a condition to follow bins. Mr. WiIITIM • AL) postponed his notice of motion oa the liithject of the Tot-ration Arts, which stood fur discusion this day, till Wedaesday, the Sib-inst. Some conversation arose botween NU. Parnell,• Mr. Pole, and 7.1 r. M. Fi•zgerald, upon the lei=h Butter Replallota Bill, af ter which the Bill was committed. The dispatcaes fr,•ni General fi.uss contain 44 account of I successful elpedition against Abaci a, concerted between him. self, Captain ADAM, or his Majesty'. ship Invincible, and do neral J. O'Dosrnst o commandiog the Spanishrulay in Murcia. Three Mond:, Spanish troops were , embarked on board a small squadron under Captain An.s ars orders, alai proceeded oil' AJ• nseira; while the Spanish tenor - . under General Fauvist, at tacked ant drove the enemy frtp..) !laza, on the 1 jilt of May, in consespenor of which the garrison of Almeirayras hastily with drawn upon tim 14th, in order to untie with those of hiotril, Granada, and other plates, to make head against the Spanish Army. As th • curry quitted A I meira, Captain ADAWR corps landsN and took poises/lion of me place. They captured Ihree vessels in the port, destroyed the hAteries and works erected be the French, ar.,t blew up the strung Castle of St. Limo, ishich had afortied security to the anchorage, and protected the one my"4 privatt era. All the serviceable ordnance was shippcd for Cathagenc., togs ther with a quantity of lead and sulphur. The inhabitants received the Allies tw Rh the greatest enthusiasm, cad as tae . pori is no longer defensible, or useful to the enemy, be neral toss hopes the French will not re-occupy it. EXCISE DITTIES—LEATHER, rte. Mr. BROUGHAM begged that the third reading of this Bill might he postponed till to-morrow, the parties interested toeing in the very set of instra: ting their Representatives to app: A ,. it. The CHAN CI:LLOIL of the EXCHEQUER co u ld no t con i sent to any delay, but moved that the Bill be now read a third time. Mr. BROW:11AM begged of the Right Hon. Gent. to hesi i tate before he passed the Bill, which weal :co affect in a very se vere degree 8.1,040 persons in this City, and SWAM persons in the country. A tax on starch, a tax on bread, or * Cix on eat. tle,woald be objected to. What was this hut a tax on cattle ? A tax , on leather was a tae on machinery, on every implement used in husbandry, and on the shoes of ab Nriti-;•••rvants. P • Santo it i went to raise the price of brew(. It was in the nature ~t* Ar. ill : tax, and went to affect every man in our army and navy, to .:re number of about 800,0 a /, each of who 'I con'orned fro i , two to i six pairs of shoes every year. Was this the way to raise taxis ? 1 This was taxing Government with one land, to pay it with the other. It was the Chancellor of the. Exchequer taxing the Se ; cretary of I.ar. He gave troice that he :shank' early next i Session, bring forward a motion on the subject of the Property I Tax, as it was made to affect Farmers, conceiving that tax. in ; the way in witch it affected than, as being ineorisisteut with ; sonnd policy, morality, and justice. A long cronversation afterwards took place on the question ; that the Bill he read a third time, wriest i The SPE.% K Eft suggested the propriety of reserving the op- 1 iintsTot., Jo Nr. 30.-• There was no polling yes. position till the schedule applicable to the tax in question came ' t,,,,h ) , to be emeidered. i the whole day being occupied by speeches, and The Bill was accordingly read a third time. j necessary arrangements. At the hustings, Mr. Hunt I On the schedule applirable to the Tax on Leather, the House declared his determination not to resign, while a divided—For the Clause iii—Against it 78—Atatilwit ' v N. 1 The House again divided on a questiou, that th e f ur th er die- freeman would poll for him • and insisted oa all I cassionof the Bill he adjourned till to-tuorrow— F ur th e Ad- the oaths being administered ' to the Elm - tors. — journmeot 64—Against it 81—Majority 17. I There were ,vary serious riots yesterday—the mob The Bill was then passed. PENITENTIARY HOUSE. • i broke all the windows of the White Lion Inn, in the Committee of Supply, : the Council House, and the adjoining houses, and towards the erection of a Penitentiary House. lie w as sorr y . Mr. ill)LF"it I) mewed that the sum a 93'0301• he Illant'"d even proceeded to unfile the roofs and throw the tiles kr) observe how greatly crimes and criminals were increasing j a 1 on the consta bles . dojo (-country, one great cause of which-was the int e r m i x t ure of ' were contusions, 4111td have been carried to the Infir criminals in gaols—an evil to which the proposed measure was i I t is, Many persons have received se. meant to operate as a remedy. The total sum re q ui re d wou ld mary. i s much to be regretted that the regularity he 260,0031. which, though great, was DM to be compared with • and peartable demeanour with which our elections the advantages the measure was c.alcelated to produce. ! were f ormer l y conducted, are now totally disregard- After some einivenration, in which Mr. Bank's, Mr. Sinclair, .... 3 1 rt Ir. Sumner, and others, objected to the comm e nc eme nt o f so " Notwithstanding the exertions of Mr. Divis's, expensive a work in the present state of the Country ; and in Mr. Protheroe's, and Sir S. Romilly's friends, to which the Chancellor of the Exchequer, Mr.' Hume, Isindoree, &c. supported Use motion. j Air. Wit " . prevent a recurrence of the outrages which endanger ; ea Mr. Batburst's life at a late election, the proces. The Mentor disided, • • For the gmat, 41—Against it, 7—Malority, St ' sion on Saturday was assailed by vollies of mud, fre C ni ren pawenge . WlLD rs Ei r; an tn y ov o ed f bitisermaunjegtacyco.supaitteukfeathieloasutsinsforreeeit4e last . stones, dead cats, &c. Mr. Davis fortunately escaped three years, distinguiddng the port of arrival in each.—Ordered. unhurt, except by one stone, which struck his UM. In the Committee or Ways and Means duties were granted on : bottles Made of earthen ware a r stow, to at the rate of . 6d. per I hu T O hundred. THREE Hunt is now (2 o'clock ) at the head of the poll. / UREE 'CLOCK.—Mr. Davis about 20 a-head. Mr. WHARTON brought in a Dill taking away the ramp- ; The c ity continues in a dreadful state of confusion. Lion froin'the Auction Doty as to all estates bought in for the : We have received a letter from a respectable Cor owners ; bat allowing the same to be reclaimed on proof that : the isdatesientained unsold.—ltead a first time, and ordered to respOndent at Bristol, who states, that at the close be read a second time on Friday. i of the poll on the second day, Mr. HUNT was 11 Adjourned at Ball past Nine o'Clock.. I • a-head of his antagonist. The military, be aids, .____ _ ..._ ___ _ had been called in to keep order. • • Arr. Mulls, Due. 1 2 0 0 * Lisboa 1 I Bank 3 per Cent. Corn.' 3 per Cent. Red. 5314 4 per Cent, 71i w Cent. Navy . L*. Asa. 114 Judia Bun& 8 9 dig. Rschequer fliqs 344.6 d Vitus Sid. 1 dis. Oriutiu4:l pr. Cuu* d, fur Acct. 57 Lottery Tickets THE • .§TATES4AN. • LOA' DO N : THURS DA , le, aV Or 2, 1812. - GALLANT AFFAIR. - - BRISTOL ELECTION. We have inteliigence, through Grenada, from St.* ' Vincent's, a few days later than the intelligence • hitherto received of the late catastrophe. One of the currents of the lava had taken a direction through (hi Carib country-, where it would diffuse itself over a spacious desert, and occasion no mischief. The damage in the productive parts of the teril:bry been greatly overstated. The Cotton Weavers in the Wester Szolland, we understand, are to present Mr. BROUOIiAm with a piece of plate for his successful efforts in favour of the repeal of theOrdars in Council. A Public Meeting wai to be held in Sheffield, on Wednesday last, for the purpose 'of returning thanks to those Noblemen and Gentlemen fin Par liament, to whose meritorious exertions the country is indebted for the revocation df the Orders in Council. We learn by the Hotvitr, which has arrived at Poitsmouth, that a party of Camilla; embarked on beard, Sit. ritlett Piotiines 4quadrori front' hence, in etsaYutatiimAvith some marines end bailors, landed LONDON: Printed and Publlsbett by I). i ASV W. et ,hr ST t•regMbli Ofk IC r. 87. Fiert4trett. - 4