The Statesman. — London, England, 1810-05-18 00:00:00

t IrMIC= MI MO way.. - ad tweed to OW Caplire arse Spanish Mph's. th- greatest blot Oen tile kffrninistration of a Right Honourable Gentleman now no more. Such temptations ought not to be left upon any MiniAers. lie hoped the Druits of the Admiral. ty would, at'no distant period, be regulated by an Act of Parliament, but in the mean time it wu their duty to ascertain whether the present annuity' might nut be 'supplied from them before they agreed farther to loitd the Consolidated Fund. - Mr. LAMBE observed, that it was proper that this annuity should be granted, but he could, not hell) remarking, the very different manner in which a request from the Crown was received in" that House, from that in which the wishes•oftbit House were attended to by the snorters of undue prerogative. The House had been ready to vote sums called for upon occasions similar to the pre. sent in the most munificent manner; but when the Reversion Bill went to the Lords, a Bill' which had been considered as of greater import. ance than it really was, and which the public were willing to have taken for more than it was worth, it was well known what a vexatious op. position it met with. Mr. WHITBR E A D ; is his Honourable Frilled bad not yet come (which was not, extraordinary,' after having sat all day at the Bullion Committee), begged leave to say n few words. He would pro. pose that the debate be adjourned for a few days, that they might have an opportunity of inquiring lota the state of the fund, out of which, if pos. Bible, this sum ought to be paid. Nobody ob jected to the annuity, and if it should be found necessary to have recourse to the Consolidated Fund, the last mourn of the country, he should not object. But he would put it a little ad vers. conclusive to the Ministers, whether, even-out of regard to the Crown itself, they would not agree to the proposed delay. The Right -Honourable Gentleman said, he did not deny the account re quired ; but then he refused to great it time to consider, whether part of the fund might not be applied to the purposes of this Bill. It was known that his Majesty had on one occasion given a million out of this fund towards the public ser. vice, and it was to be prespmed from this paternal attention to his people, that he would not refusal any sums that could be spared for their relief, if he were properly advised. He had given now to several members of his family out of this fund, no doubt upon such exigency that if he had not this fund he would have been under the necessity of applying to that House; and this tuofrom those pa. Wool feelings which his Majesty possessed as well as others. But here came the fact, that 25,0001. had been granted out of this fund to Sir H. Popham, and.another aura towards bringing home a Governor from a distant' settleaieot. He asked whether it was wise, whether it was candid and af fectionate towards his Majesty, to advise him to overlook this fund ; and apply to his subjects ' once at a moment when the Chancellor of the Ea. chequer, by the measure which he proposed last night, confessed the difficulty of finding new sources of taxation, sod when Mac who had been in his confidence, whose knowledge of the subject was unquestionable, and who. of .late had laid the foundation of a strong claim to i b confi. deuce and approbation of the country, bad tined the necessity of retrenchment? When the . Right, Hon. Gent. had - aged to tho-s4Fsta i oC this reso Consolidated Fund, to furiiiist° the ~ ays and Means of the year, a measure, *hick to to 4 Lbel 'least of it, he thought erroneous, *es itishimag a proper regard to the dignity of the Crowil...was it dutiful tied affectionate to , his Majesty to advleil him to come upon his subjects for tins imopa r a. year, 'when he himself had a fund.oit of 'Aids to pay it ? He hoped that what his Hen. Friend (Mr. Lambe) had said, would Sink deep into the hearts of the Members of that Henn. All that was wanting waii a delay till the state 4 UM Ad. miralty Fund could be ascertained, and with that view he moved that the debate be adjourned till this day se'nnight. J . . Mr. PE RCE VA.L contended, that it was otitalt more proper and creditable, Its the first initaftise, , to grant this Annuity out of the Consolide . Fund. If, upon examination, It should appal + that the Admiralty Find could bear a sum wpm to the purchaie of tile annuity', it might be paid out of the Droits into' the Consolidated, Funds. But he maintained, that the two subjects were not at all connected °with each other. The Grant of the Annuity ought to be independeut of the consi deration of the State of the Droits of Adnliralty, The House divided, and the numbers were... For the Otters! Motion - - 65 ' For the Amembilet - -f, . S 7 . :t; . ‘... ~.r ..t lirtiglit, • - 211 The gill was accordingly passed ; and ordered to the Lords. ' Upon our readmission, we found Mr. WHITBREAD observing upon a Bill which he had just brought in, ,tsi ;explain and amend' the Act for the removal of the Poor, so far as relates to the regulation of Workhouses.— 1 The H on ourable Gentleman took occasion to state;; that by the next Sessions he should endeavour to' prepare some arrangement with respect to the, , poor, which he hoped would meet a more favour. able reception from the House than some former :)ropositions of his upon the same subject had ex. perienced. The Bill was read a first, and ordered . to be read a second time on 'Nelda! next. Ordered on the motiou of Mr. k oster, that the Reuse should to-morrow resolve into a Committee for the purpose of considering the propriety of erecting certain Lialli 'louses upon the Coast of ._, Ireland.' Mr. It: WARD presented a Petition frogs this, Governors of Greenwich Hospital, prayinglaiet to present another ° Petition, which being received * was read. We understood it to relate to the cog, 'etruction of certain buildings in the aeighboar l :l beod of Greenwich Hospital. Ordered to licoaki ' 'the table. - Mr..TIERNEY gave notice of his intention to move upon the first open day for an Address to his Majesty, praying for an account of the amount of the Droits of the Admiralty on hand, with a view to ascertain whether that amount would be sufficient to provide for the Anasity oklAa4, I '! 1 • .~. Tflit StATESMAti. - , . . 'which the Roue bed Toted to the puke of Bruns wick. Mr. MARTIN ` puts reition to the Chancel lor of the e Examiner across the table, with re spect to the Register of the 4dmiralty, which the latter answered, but both spoke in so low a tone that no one could distinctly understand them. TIERNEY stated, that as the Bill for ap. prOptiStititheidrplus produce of the Stamp Du ties vreuld, he understood, be read a second time on Tuesday, be should then take occasion to make some obtervations upon the subject; and also move l'ttr the appointment of a Committee to inquire into the general state of thee, Consolidated Fund. . , FINANSV. 11 1 3110.10UT10N9. The - House hiviug, en the motion of Mr. Mar tin, resolved into a Committee upon the Third Re. port of the Finance Committee. Mr. BANItES rose, and melted the reading of the second Resoletioe, which being read accord ingly, the kronourable Gentleman expressed his intention of moving an Amendment. It had been ohierved by, stony Gentlemen, that Sinecure Of. Aces ought not 'to 'be abolished until some other fund should be created, from which his Majesty 'might be enabled to niake that provision for long s and efficient public services which those occasions afforded. Nov . the object of his proposed Amend ment would be to couple the abolition of sinecures with the substitution of such a fund—and in do. ing so, he hoped to render the measure of aboli tion more acceptable to his Right Hon. Friend (the Chaocellor of the Exchequer), and to the Committee. Indeed, he thought that the sub. stitution should take away all objections to the abolition, while there could be no doubt of its be ing toorp agreeable, not only to the country,' but to such meritorious Officers as were entitled to re. ward. For the real tact was, that sinecures had fallen so much into disgrace, perhaps frees their misapplication, but certainly from a general suspi. scion that they were disposed of rather according to the influence of favour than of merit, that a certain degree of disrepute attached to those who accepted them—that in truth a brand or mark was Axed upon them. Therefore, those offices, in. stead of conferring honour, the people so much revolted against them, actually attached a stigma. To take away that stigma then from the fair ob jects of public bounty, it was necessary that a fund should be created in lieu of those sinecures, and also to remove the anomaly which belonged to the very principle of having Officers in the Veveipt of salaries tvithout any duties annexed to them. After panegyrizing the system upon, which our re. venue was collected, which he contended was Much cheaper than that of any ether nation in Eu. rope, the Hon. Gentleman proceeded to press upon the attention of the Committee the propriety 'of establishing every practicable degree of eco nomy. It was with that view he particularly re. 'commended the adoption of the Measure, he felt it his ditty to propose. Ile would not be under stood to expect that by any measure of this nature the clamour of certain persons could be satisfied. Those persou were in fact nut to he satisfied by any thing which that House could or ought to concede. This ho was extremely sorry to see. But it could never be argued that, because certain factious poi.. sins put forward extravagtut demands, that the House should not do what was reasonable—that Parliament ii4ould not accede to whatever was fit and proper. . These clamours\ bad their flux and reflex, but it was nptorious that they had no lanced) ap the proposition under discussion, which, its fag ) ," far as regarded the abolition of risecures,lo trn origin before such clamours were holed. lie tirstd, therefore, that whatever might Id `the conduct of the ..factious, the Committee iroisid never lose sight of the propriety of con. iultiug the wishes and cultivating the good dispusi. r ifoit of the sound and rational part of the commit. nity, Who irould, be had no doubt, be materially ,concilietsel, 4 lo the adoption of s measuro so long aW so unanimously called for—that of tbas abolition of sinecure offices. It would be Oreposterou to oppose to such a desirable measure' any idea Of reverence fur old establishments, fur it was impossible that these 'sinecure offices 'Could have been originally established without any duties' attached to them. The Committee would in fact only ,repair the injurierof dinky abolishing such 'Offices. He therefore hoped for a general acquiescence in his motion, which was grounded upon the principle of moderate Reform, and which, while it did away obnoxious offices,. would esta blish a fund in their room, calculated to answer every olijitt which thou who pleaded for the ex- Waite of such' offices ,nrofessed to have in view. The Honourghle Member ouncluded with props sing, the Amendment he, described. Mr. MARTIN said, that however much he felt disposed to prefer. his original Resolution, still he would vote foe the Honourable Geatleman's Almaden:et, If the abolition of Sinecure Offices 4 were proposed without any substitute it should :certaintritarrhis.support. - But as Om, latter ap. 'peered to he • mop acceptable to tine opinion of the Committes,,as k was his wish to hate some thing done iirthe telt' , of reform, and as he. would !be always leafy to reeeiveall that he could obtain, if he could not obtii.:4l l ,that he desired, he would even accept the Renewable Gentleman's Amendment, glad the even so much good should 'result from the discussion which he had thought it his duty to bring forWaed. 'ripe Honourable Gen. demo argued with cousiderable force in support of his original Resolutions, contrasted with those proposed by the Chancellor .of the. Exchequer, and concluded with observing, that in propel'. ing the abolition of Sinecure Ofilep, it could not be said that he was bringing forward any now. tangled doctrine, as that, abolition was to fact re. commended by high authority 30 years ago, and Indisputably it was more than even necessary to accede to it under the present circantitimicts of the country. Mr. LONG maintained, that- considering the depreciation of money since his Majesty's access sloe, the influence of tie Crown had not is. tressed from the places at its disposal. He saw !no advantage that could result • from the adoption of the original motion, or his HOuourableFriend's Amendment. Sinecures ought, is his judgment, to be confined solely to civil officers, and therefor, ~ . he combated the idea of grerillitg 'is'k sinecure to Lord Wellington or Lord Nelson. Lord ALTHORP .teas alkeicate for the .amendment, although- his opinion was rather in :favour of the original Resolutions. He atserted - that the influence of the Crown had increatkd in. somuch, that in order to preserirethe balance of 'the Constitution it was desirable that that influence should be reduced. Therefore the total abolition of Sinecures would meet his approbation. As a means of rewarding meritorious services, which was the alleged plea for' the exiatetice of these Si.: were', he thought them peculiarly unsuitable; and for two reasons : first, because when the me ritorious service should recur which called for re ward,* it was improbable that a Sinecure Office would be vacant; and, secondly, because it was improbable that such Office would be a fit reward ' for such service. • Mr. W. SMITH contended that the abuses in the Grants of Sinecure Places preponderated over any advantage which the Country could de rive from their contiaeasice. If the claims of the individuals on whom such favours were conferred by the Crown had first to undergo the decision of that House, there existed strong doubt whether they world be admitted ; indeed it was problems tient dot if - the persons about to confer them were aware of the necessity of •subjecting them to the discussion, whether such a proposition would be at all made. The Honourable Member entered into a history of authorities open the question, and concluded with expressing his determination to support the original Resolutions. Mr. BASTARD declared it absolutely neces sary for the extended patronage of the Crown, and extended burthens of the people, to follow up the priuciplo of retrenchment in every depart ment of the State. There was a ferme n t abroad; and the surest way to disarm those actuated by improper hopes was to afford reasonable indul gence to the great body of the people. The fer. meat existing had not a stronger source of sup. ply than in the thought, that whilst Committees of that House were suggesting many plans of eco. nautical reform, as absolutely necessary, the House was in the uniform habit of not only not attending, but of actually overruling their seg. gestions. Ile concluded with observing, that even if the House was not iodised to be lionestlrom principle, the time was now come whets it 'lmola be so from necessity. Mr. WHARTON a s serted that the influence of the Crown had of late actually diminished. He founded such diminution of the influence of the Crown upon the great increase of popula. lion, and the enormous increase of wealth, so, very generally diffused throughout the various classes of society in this country. He also in. stanced the great price at which lands were let, and which corn bore. • Mr. WHITBREAD said, the speech of the Hon. and tearnedSecretary of the Treasury (Mr. Wharton), was a repetition of what he understood was said by him over and-over again in the Com mittee-room up stairs. Indeed it was more appli cable to any other subject, than the one on which it was introduced; it would suit a discus sion upon the assize of bread much better than therestriction of' the grants of the Crown. pear, hear!) With respect to these sinecures, tae country had but our opinion ; from the system of favouritism pursued!, and the abuses visible in the way hi which they were conferred, scarce a man out of the doors of that House could be found their advocate. They were not suited to the taste of the arw, nor to the navy'; but in the ian. guago of. thu Honourable Secretary, they were fitted for the civil departinent—that was for such efficient public, servants as the Learned Secretary himself. Mr. Whitbread next advertell to the grant recently mule to Mr' Yorke, and con.. tended that the public were not alone disgusted with such grant, but that from such an iltustra. Lion every sinecure grant became an object of pub lic aversion. Such opinions had been expressed in that House very generally, and he had himself heard the present Secretary for Ireland (Mr. W. Pole) and a Colonel (Wood) of one of the Mid dlesex regiments had stated that for their public services, whenever it should be thought fit to re ward them, they would never condescend to take a sinecure office. Numerous were the evil erects arising from such grants, and not the less consi. derahla one was that these sinecures prevented the necessary increase to the great efficient offices of the state. What was the argunienradvanced in the favour of the Chancellor of the Exchequer, when it was in contemplation to give him the Chancellorshiti of the Duchy of Lancaster for life? It was then contended that the salary of the first office was not a sufficient remuneration for its duties: It was however to be presumed, now that the same Right Honoorable teutleman was also First Lon ! of the 'recovery, that he would not condescend to take that of the Duchy. (4 eststesur). I iltuf (said Mr. Whitbread) that Linn wring, interstitial' as I now understand that the •Right Flonottitibid Gentleman hest, by a Minute bf Treatiitti t igeti fied his determination not to MLR fhinalaii an nexed to the Office' of the Chancellor of the 'lx. chequer; I only hope, that thli newly appiiiiited Teller of tisoltarchequer, rievetlike he is elerited . 0 the Admiralty,' will imitate smith an example; .114 whilst he continues Lord of the Admiralty,' almit ho will refrain from taking tip the profits of 'Ms sinecore. Mr: Whitbread concluded with es!' praising his regret, that the Rbsolutionk , weri founded. Ile would, however, eote'tor !Ilion, in any shape, of end tn.nnetroutilkfde.' bons. e I - • . • .ftninc.• 'Mr. LONG said a few driitals 100 s tlii mi. Lion.• The CHANCELLOR Of 'fith'inteffEQUEß warmly denied that my real adrititsige Would be ',tined to the people by the attendee of such places. Ile also begged to assere'llip latilSpeaker, that his respected Friend, the Lord ei ft .the Admi. raity, than whom no man weenierd respectable, had also signified his intention; withatioy oaten. tatious'object, not to take thesueieftoOW. grant ed to the Lord of the Admiralty, during the Admi. nistration of Lord Melville, as the 'head of that Board. He contended against Waving it to the House to judge of the compensations to be granted' 14)NDON't Printed and Published by I). Levicti, as do STs.Tassi.tx 07lics $7,, Wleirl•iliesta J • . . . • . 116 I for services. Were.therds annihilate the rents. the King' had made ? He conceived n at. A grant in reversion 'e, if not otherwise objectionable, was equally,valid with au original grant. Re was :clearly ofopinion, that the wealth and inittlenee of the People had increased in a still greater compa- Mire degiee than the inlitiehee of the Crown. Lord MILTON had only one observation which , he was anxious to make. A Sinecure when Nice granted must be conferred anew, whether there was or was not a deserving person ready to receive it. This was not the case with a peevi on , A s to the influence of the Crown, he thought it had increased in a very rapid degree. • 1L was not a person whose sentiments would he suspected ; but he would rather consent to be plundered of hit property than to give up his liberties. He thought this one of those - otherwise Indifferent pr-posi.. tions, by which it was possilil.:, by agreeing to it, to separate those who telt well-grounded diseen. tent front those who pretended to feel so. The motiow, therefore, had his sepport. Mr. CANNING (weld not agree that the 'splen.. dour th a t sodeunded the Throne shotild `b e die. penned with. ' Nut only did : , le meartthe 'Stead splendour which every man must agree ought to attend upon a Throne, but even "that gorgeous splendour which some perilous Might think an ult. necessary aceo.npanioneet of' Royalty. T h at task i nnov ator, who would veish, wiih un h a ll owed 'mods, to break into the . ilberets of that.sidendoer, that he might discover how far it might wit Safety be abridged, worth!, he wassadsSed, too rioon die. cover the folly of hie 'attersigt. Ai the seine- time that he felt in this manner, - Isi , coiilff not, agree` that every superfluous and un .. uecessary, piactie s ought to be defergded on the ground t h at it was sa integral part of . the Mettarchy ; that they must!)e supposed to be so interwoven MA Was to . his Inca.. pable of being shaken off; that,' in fair,' it contd not be touched without danger to its titat parts. He could not 'go Ibis length,- hit 'isihei . agreed with his Honourahic Friend (Nlt't f liankes) in IA: proposition,' 'beitteat the sante tiM6 deeidAly of opinion, that compeasations should Intimated, at least tendered, in , CV, stance .] s' - , - Mr. PETI?.it S tOO 1 was of opinion the pre. Tl ii sent motion did not by, airy theana go far enongit. •He was for the 4lireet abolition of every Sinecu re Office, as called for, and indeed intlisptatently necessary. in the present state of the conn trY; This latliis opinion, and he could net plu offreetti any g • liicu a dripshaek up o n it. A i u;Stem . it i tk ,plati iCeljlad to have been adopted, net 'to iet . thecomplaints of the peolge.reacl i the ear4 k 'the Sove reign, and in this situation of th ings pt). ,Caliar attention ought to be paid that ate people were not ,tenti eccssa ray birdlimed. The. Gallery was then cleared, and on a division, Mr. Limikes's motiou was negatived, the numbers being.— • For the Motion - - - - 91 • Aitylatt it 99 ' Mapuity against the Motion . —6 Mr. MAR riN, an Strangers being re-admitted into the Gallery, , consented that his Resolutions on the sante subject should be stegetived i and those of. Mr. Perceval agreed to, it being understitod that they should have liberty to discuss the Chan. cellor of the rteltequer's Resolution bringing.," the Report... Adjourao4 it half -pant pee n'clock. ... ... BIRTHS. '-• ". ' • ', c,, On the 2d instant, in 'AriiegtOs-drtset s Lady M. MIA daughter. - ~ ,„ _. O. the Silt Ins*. at bee bewe in larkvllletttreet:tagilo zabeth Fielding, of a daughter, who survived bet a few f.)n Saturday wonting, the Marchaseem Of WakbOeWiffir I awn. - 4 11.0. : Dan. . At Coleton, 'in Devon ; Henry Wilma, Esq. la id . el& ' *sander in the Him. East India Company's s.erviee. . . , On Friday last, in eonsequeuce of a fall frmo his bate, Mrs Robert Wilmntt, of Go ildfurd-staret, Russell-smart*. - . RAZOR STROPS. 111ENTLE11EN have been so frequently ad. N.JI dressed, and so often disappointed on this Subject, that • it is with Diflidesce the Inventor of the pre seat Nostrum at tempts to solicit the public Anemia° ; bat as ins awesaitted Endeavours have been exerted in discovering the Means saint likely to produce the otmrst degree of Excellence an Edge was capable of, lie indulges the hope of having se far sot ceeded, as may afford woe Sanction to his prwyd , it Attempt. ' The Strops he now recommends are composed of mum Doses of mineral and metuNde Particles, Obtained by a Process pe- • euliar to his oast Practice, and so prepared,. as*. have th e ' power, by attrition, to torus the keenest Edge tempered steel will admit of. They are sold by W. Savigwy, No.. Si, Psatowsteeet, Leicester-square. - . ST piN (annum ING PILLS, .. Prepared by Dr. *(ARMSTRONG, No. 89, Great Bartiur. tome* Close, Vest SmithileM. London. FOR COUGHS, ASTIdMAS, ,CONSUMPTIONS, N IGHT SWEATS, &e. &c. THESE Medicines are heist in the highest esti. . Ai. elation by the Nobilify.and Gentry. and **wants of Eighteen Thousand People lupe actaNtly signed their ,nnimae to Dr. HARMSTRON G's last of Corp, by ,his Streagthen iog Pills, in cases of Caamhaptlons, Viethoess, Debility, Ste. &c. After much labasr.'atil great experts., the Doctor km many years siackbannigly, them. tnetaap i at ' Ale 0111110 ' perfec tion and in Atiß teie 'among Women of all casks. the Duchess to die Peasant, for Female Weakoess of every de seriatim, Barrsitness, also Seminal Witekoes, and Impotence in the Male Sex; :lades a general Streagthefier, these Pills stand unrivelled—tbeY 'brace the solids, -aA prtimoie Dijes titan, anti are kept as a Family Medifane by the lira re?' i in ' • sous of Distiava mion iu the kingdo Sidthre stritiffly retool- ende.t by the most eminent PisysiCbms to. Sea B alt "' foe • Debility in eithed Sex. Price Six Shallop per box, dal included. . . Alw, HARMSTRONG'S FEMALE VEGSTIB LS .. PILLS, for Females only, At the commence.ment and decline ~ , of the most critical Period , of their Lives t whits Is the must • . proper Phybiefor Wefts after 'Lying..in or Vista , fetti lli being the only Meakietia Ott World to be d e ' . curing I otliuntuations; Obstrdt Hans. 'tad Moen a ' • I !Price Ss. lid. per box, &dying:hided. ' ,_.". This is to certify. that-I am fully convinced of tbesaltdarT 1 ellisets of the Strengthening Pills, prepared by Dr..,1 -111 rel - artOoli; having takes Four Boxes of - them for a aceumear • 'Weokoess, aW a Coosuntptive Cough than I had been utlliebr ed with ten years. After trying many of the most main"! 4: l l l iT i tt i :l: r v i e l 4 l4l 44lt l . l " JOHN 'WAY, w 44 is his k ii iesty's Costoms. " Plymouth; Devon, March 9. 11409." now Close, West Staishtield, '1 hive received a perfect' Care - • These Pills may be had of the Doctor, No. 9, 0 Bartheio" 1 . areagspc4rttuid each. box, expLoedves.,4lTutitoePrirmoldf dthir:cmotthl isiliectable and authenticated ‘iases & also the Proprietor, Awes Awed by himself. R. HA lIMSTKON G, oa the di. /*tibias; none else Cita be ge-auine. Two-Hundred Outwits Reword foe the discovery of lal - Person who imitates his-hand n Mine, which is felony of the (booed dye, nod punished witlt Dates ; and by his appoint... meat they are sold wholesale tied retail, by Me-sni. WrelaY • audio°, 95, Fleet Market, London ; sti:ll also genuine by 'Hollobilloyat Exchange; Ward, No. 3'4, Hothors I Ba con, oxford-street, opposite Boad-street ; Johnson, No. 15, , Greek-stieet, Soho 4. aild Crisp, Cockspur-street ; sod all raigistetable.Medicloe Yruden in &shoed, Wised,. and Sag' bal. _ _ ~'~ r-' I