The Statesman. — London, England, 1822-02-23 00:00:00

1.111 4 1 I - -~ . zc - -t. . _L-..=•1•••16 ~. - ?W'N . . meet was adopted, he wu couvhseed the meet beneficial resolts wonld flow from it. Mr. CROKER explainer,. The flonse then divided—For going into the Corn mittee, 144 —For Mr. Humes Amendment, 54—Majo. rite. 90. On our wow, into the gallery, Mr. CALCRAFT was addressing the House. We understood him to liter. put a question to Ministers whether it was intended to make any provision for insane olfirers ? The CHANCELLOR of he EXCHEQUER could not glee any specific attar the question. Mr. HUME rose for e. Pnrpose of submitting an other motion to the hen... 'The Hon. Member contend ed that the Hon. Gentleireis opposite bad attempted to mower much of what Ist Inn said, and that he had mis stated Wit "'bleb be dill - pay. Besides which, he had entirely paned by the eisiiil point of his speech. What he it'll" "Pon was, 11;14119 we paid only 15.000,0001 for the.vervice. which Ow required 17,000,0001. This point remained wholleMlManlitered. It was, as his Hon. and learned Friend la . mated, in consequence of that Mind confidence in M . tors which the majority of the i t house was in the prae of granting that the na , ion had gone on year aft's' gear Pinging deeper into debt. It was, therefore, that ha thought it was time they y111)111.1 call for a change, aaL,• for a new and a better mode of trannetlng the businme of the nation. Let them have OmA/tails°, what thtrwere called upon to vote of the .public wooer, 1,1.1.'4 provided that they would not by that meat's& furniAllpg political details to an enemy fin invent, of all Hie metaphor, and high h.onbastmc style of the Hon. Gentleman opposite (Mr. Crokar), who nadertook to show hew ignorant be (Mr. flume) was. he bad himself mist ken what he had said. Ile (Mr. ii i : H.) haul said. that n hole expenditure of the Navy. wear and tear, was se Wen millions; and this snot :he Hon. Gentleman undietook to reduce to fire millions. Why, in one line of the items, ship-building alone, hr would find a total 0fh‘530.0001. As to the break-water at Plymouth, the 1.,. Gentleman did not know what was expended in that work. In the Estimates it Was MOM/. and the lion Gentleman stated it at a million Br the Estimates the total was 17.702.0001. a 'wryer it might lie in the mind of the Ilan. Meamber. tic (Mr. Home) bad moved for Returns of the Supplies. ia ord. r to avoid fiat contradiction, which hail hero been time tii*e when he had it not on paper to support his assertions. According to the 'lemon made to his motion s it appeared that in 1792, the nunaher of morn for time sea service was sixteen thousand. slid the simply, including Onlimeee, amounted to 1.9:45.492f. This was troe, or It w a s not;. but if there was anYincorrectne•ss in ivli..l he rolvaoce4 upon it, it was not Wise cli.mrged upon hi.mm, lint upon the returns he had reericeml. It was two motto fir the Hon. Member to say that the estimates of 17.12 had nothing to do with his (A4r. flume's) motion. lie called for de•, tails of the enorinons sums they were called epos to rote, and the Hoews would not do their ditty it they pee. init , ed that explanation to be refuse,t. The Hue. tient. had admitted the principle of the sinecure list to be had. —(Nts, no, from Mr. Croker.)—Very ire4l. thets.l6(l)r . Hume) fed that it was bad. That honor was newt eiggarolly in rewarding meritorious officers; and the grantingof pensions might hr safely left in their !I sotto. After a few more elbservations as to the propriety of their latrine the eatinrahm before they granted the supply, the Hon. Member mwmvif as an amendment to the motion far "'flint into the Committee, that the followii: words he substitetell. for tloi WI'QUIR ".that the Spenhet do now * " ' . e lai - • - 'at gr 7 the Acconn's furnished by the Government. Thu 14 a••. Member (Mr. Lroker) was, in fact, wrong, for heed o'l :he sum for Old Stores to the 5,900,0001. when that own ought to he deducted from such ■ccount.—(Flear.) Mr. CROKER would give the items for 1817. The Or :litany Estimates were 2,478,150/. from which wall to be deducted for Ohl 'Stores, 671,0001.; the Extratirdi le - ries were 1,071,000/.; Ilse Transport Service, 261,0901.; far Wear and Tear. I,6l'Jf.—Total, 6,492,01.101. 31 . E rrle.ted that he had only quoted the ar c outs wh • b ippeared on the table of the !dense. S rangers were about to withdraw for ta division, whel The Marquess of LONDONDERRY rose to obsertl.• that the increase which had taken place in the marines. a few years ago, had enabled the Ministers to make tb • extensive redactions in the Army that had recenti: Wren place. The marines were enabled also to perform ditty at garrisons, arsenals, and such erringein.qi , enah'e I the Government to make considerable reductions in the Army. Sir LCOFFIN briefly bore testimony to the gre:.t utility of the marine forces; whine on service, he laud fremtently been an eye-witness of their value. The gl;llery was geared for a division—the numbers of it wore— For the amendment, 53; Against it, 157; Majority against it, 101. The next vote moved was 533,579./., wages for 21,0 M semen and mantles. Iminesiiately on the tioestion bein‘ pot, the gallery was cle ired for a di1 . 1•1 , 11, but it did nut take pi a .•.•, and on one re-admission it. found— Mr. HUME on his legs, complaining of the enufsterill manner in which the public :origin's were hem, and ceesuring 'hat part of the woe tinder discussion which referred to the Caast Blockade system. The CHANCELIABinfthe EXCIIEiI 7ge that too years ago the animal vote ha I been re.lnceti by tto,ttolll., in consequence of the reduction of 15,t lanes, and that the►e wes thus far a saving to the revenue. Mr. 11011HOUSK could not foriwar expressing his surprise at the course punned by lie M.ij•aty's tern.—They promised every thing hut granted nothin.:„ and treated with taunts and sneers those 41erttfetnen on his side of the house who were residerd to discharge their ditty ie defiance of every obstacle. Seeing that it *Ws ioloissible to go any farther without haying the ne cessary estimates laid mom the tahlo, he should now move as an autend nest that the Chaihoun de now report pro;4ress, and ask leave to sit 11(11111. L.ar•l ALTHORPE nh;.•cted to the merits of the ori ginal motion, hnt in so hi w a tone of voice as not to be an lib e in the riflery. Sir'lll. ( II lIU N observed, that from motives-of policy it wisald not he prissiest to publish all the details. lest an tunny might at any time take a tvantage of Ibtlu to rowertdri the disposition of one navy. Mr. BROliti/1.131, in the course of some oheerr . lions, saiyl, lie wished to k how much per man lad Keen gr fitted before the fall had taken place in the price of prossisione, now I9s. per man was called fur since the tea netion ? Sir tl. COCKBURN replied, that th• probable esti. mate fair the tart twaryeais might have be •u 2i. Is. pet man monthly. :11r. %V. S daft 4:11 , I that till reason givers for not. laying the 'Wails of the exnrudirnr. h.f .rc the hoico, no Plein• satisfactory. At present or had no . itt a;;.rehriml any thing from. and therefore. nothing, was to be teirerf from laying. hef.ire the house an ateortnt'rof Cie disposition of the navy. Mr. ItItItNAL apokr-briAtly In the Satire eft.-ct, sery:ng !hat the high dest;niesraf the I,:eioti .7•011$1 not be endan.:eved• isv put. j bine qie ..et di% in .i•restion. Illea t her thee objected to the prig.aple of res:ing in the Cesmoissioneni of the licrenie the payorsint oldie mai loved io rite Coast Iliockad.. service. "-• t*IANCHLIAIit of tint ii.xcli.E.QuEn, said - 1041iatation.of threhurlisire. . TIT I.ipfittr.l the amendment, assientl' ing as his Cream for doing so, the propriety of not egrets. ing to 4 single gratis, till it should be clearly shown it emit , ' he pint, comiiileting the peculiar distress that pr .- ..silo! all over thi country. To vote with this point being first ascertained,. email .be only to proceed at. • random. After some farther conversation, in which Brosgl i ain, Mr. Crober. Mr. flume, Lord Loodonderty, ' and Mr. 11. Sumner took part. The Committee divided • ea the amendment, when the numbers were—Ayes, 47. Noes, Itl7.—Majority in favour of Nlioisters, The original motion was then carried without a dist %ion, after a few words trim Sir It. Wilson, Mr. • Brougham, and the !'larynges of Londonderry. Mr. IiOCLIWItS brought in a 11111 to regulate the importation of .lt•tos, Ammunition, &c. into Ireland r• ahica watrea•l the first trine, and ordered to be read the second .tare on Tu aday. Mr. it/CLAW itN brought in a Bill to i mien; lay pre-oas who base seized or retained arms stn. e the Ist •••• of November last, in Ireland, for the pc-servation of the' pub peace--/trad thefirst tone, and ordered to be real the second time on 'Listen'. TIIP I hwse then adjourned at half-iiast twelve, till' . Monday. ~, •• • 1 • lAIXDO.V 11.411KETS„ Fss. 22. COTTON.—The purchases of Cotton onnee our It.t . , Are OM ewilileg! '0 the Kest India d e ereiptione t th e pal :iculsrs are-1,100 !lenge!, to bond ; Snrst,ll:.l o 61.1. The arrivals, Irmo the 15 to tut. 21st inst. Sni.rrns, all, Seti:cll.—:The demand for Sugar revived consider. : 4 1,1y On Tiles!lay last, and the prices uai l were ID. per cwt. ti. : •li•r. Since then the rerfrat has continued, Ansi,. as the market is still very innitferewly with illoiwora.ks, tit- holders are tirtlk, a d h a y. taineil priers a shade higher s the advance this week mite be stated gelerally Is. a Y.. per ewt. KetinsAll tinmis are little varied ; 14e low tieseriptiont ore .ti s!sree, And in awl welting; they. realise much higher prices in preportion than the 'finer tinalition4.—itlidas , .s were in brisk demand at t4a. anal few sellers. S tars at the leulia House sold rather, lower with the eNeeptinn of the'inferior browns, which twist he stated ls. it 8. bitrher: corFeE.—Ti.err have iwen ,consider.able pablig• sales brought fora sel tills orwmary descrip tions ofJanniel have .old a sh'ade .oe.er, .o.'her . 1 ... lilies fully support the previous prices, hot Ina pubfiet sales here not gone off with the fortn.r hriskorss. The public sale this foreuson consisted of .141) Coffee,' which .rold rather heavily, hot the previous prices were maintained, good ordinary 10/s. ti.l. to WA,. fine ordinary 110.. to 1 12s. PIMENTO.—PimentO continues in great resneit, for very fine lfild. and Mid. realized at public sale. III:31. BRANDY, and 1.101.1 ~ANDS.—There was at briskness in Rums early in the week, in the anti cipation of the intercourse between the West Indies and the United States being re-opened: the proceedings in the !louse of Commons last night proves the expectation • 'at leas• premature; in consequence there is to-dap a damp thrown upon .the market, the quotations t.lllqul, however, be enlaced, though purchases could be inane on lower Wm.—Brandies :al I Geneva are without al teration. TALLOW.—The Tallow market remains in the late unsettled 'state; for Yellow C tutile :dis. and 511. paid early in the week : but t!,e prices have since improved att. holders and great speculators continue their pu►enake<, ,ml for a parcel 58s. has been this forenoon refea•••• by them ; the last price paid vras however. enly [own 'fallo•v is to-day quoted Ss!. tist e , %shish is d Liewer taati last el eta. • r. • -nes,. ISIMEIM Ili: sss to comma' from the House! There were. it teeing t h ose account', enormous sinecure places oto , to IS ~. -20 gu i nea s a -day. The next charg. 11l (*Si. for Barracks. That was a large sum; bit' mld hot conceive wh at occasion the y had for marine arks, which required an expense of more than 101. There was another charge for Contingencies, t amounted to 12,7e61. and no satisfaction was to , ven is the house as to the application of those sutns. I espector General's office cost 2,9301. it was with ar to know how all this money was applied that he nil to submit his motion. The charges for the pre. year should have been at least half what they bail in other rears. The charge for provisions ought 1,,,, by half, Do account of the great fall in the sof beef, pork, and hatter. It was no answer to bat the fall of provisions in this country email not sac difference in respect of them on foreign sta. Provisions hail Mao fallen oamhalf in price in M'conotrie.; and if not, they coahl be sent from smutty. they had trampoline, law which they paid, ill which provisions might be conveyed ; and. for num there should be no alteraelow in the charge .evidons in respect of foreign stations. The Hon. her thins cosoownted on the monthly allowasee for ear and tear, der , and said the reduction was not TM. If there was 'Bathing wrong+ it the accounts hi, h lie was going to move, why should they not ;Awed? la fact, the very concealment of those ac -3 by Ministers was raleolatod to excite suspicions here Was something Wrong in them.—(hear, hear, 1---lie was resolved to oppose the grant ; sail if the : would support Mn, he maid lae content to re. there unfit ten o'clock imike minting, before he i vote sway one single shilling.. That was the if ever, in which the mismanagement of the public v called for an examination. l'hat leas the time dcli the miscalculations of the Chancellor Of the ever called for an examination.—(Hear, hear, )--lie world c-peat that the Right Hon. Oma n had made a mistake in his calculations. lie had ised allying of 4,000,0110 f.„ but lie was perfornii og sating of 2,600,011a—(1mq, hear.) —lie agreed . opinion of the Finance Co 11111 l ittee that the ships diary ought to be kept in good condition, and were better than they had ever been. In these to aural serrire was no more than pleasure p .r- Tiwy had no foreign wars, nu veiges, no blork• se AV.'S, no more titan they had in 1;92. Why mould the charges for naval ordnance be doubled 1 etieT-.1 the whole of those establishments were sp at Sorerness, for the henefit of the electors of stosmagh. The establishments were kedt on, and usoss iii offiae had nothing to do. He was not ig aof Mei-winner in which they spent their time, A would probably have occasion to allnds to it at retina. The charge for the establishment there :i.ri;Oi. The Finance Committee objected to the symeut of all ordnance craft. They mated that all owdrr kept for souse months in those Boating ma tes heroine unfit for sae; yet there Inman establish tif fourteen kept np in spite of their Report. Mo roar cump;ying with the Report, We vessels were A from the Corporation of Ititeenhorongth, but were edischeyed. He would pledge himself to prove they were not elopktyeal one Jay in a month while mere paid. Some perhaps were 1 , 111 , 1 favoured than I, hecamw their interest in the borough was less.— es those., there were nine boys employed, the ra id nleich might be estimated at one pound per T each. All those belonged to the freemen of thorough. 'rite whole expense of these Mae lows tzitvvhf. half of shirts was estimated clew milt: — void maintain that some of those lay for fuer °rive et Woolwich, at a charge of ISs. per day. lie repeat t t be could not, under, them cistern * inithw farelielkallbance Do two. lfetti , weisnarY WM at ' eSt pleat o* i * 01. a yeas in manielemewierg gonpowsier - -t, stein it, and whirls could not be preservivtl. ey" neemaitios enonei tire 20 years, nod under sorts amulets they should not go to expense. Ile timid • the Honor that be was not a person to- recom- I say injarierne reductions of the Naval establish. Remo regretted to see the Nary neglected in anion with the Army. T he Military had hero the rim establishment in this country at the expense of aiy, whi .11 led us to no much elory. He was not Jed to make any invidious comparison, but if lie he power, becectainly would give a preference to airy. ifs tronld not reduce the number of onr swa g 13AM. Ile objected snore to the member of Ma , became they belonged to the Military, aud lie ed iniVitary power. The Hon. Gmetleuran then 1, by way .1 aitienimeto, a aeries of Resolutions, a we rosfd not hear iu consequaince of the noise i prevailed at the close of his speech. I. Clitl'lN anal Mr. CROKER rose at the save bat on the repeated call for the latter, Sir I. Ca re say. said he shonitimot oppose any motion, iect of ss Lich was to reqnire information, if the Gentleman rould satisfy him that Government had 41 any paper• which it was proper to communicate. .Fered diet the miry. in question were the only reftwel oat of tbe theorem!y the lion. tientletuan pored fur. Ile would show that those papers were Mon good grounds. and that it was inconsistent proper regard to the public safety to communi hem.—(ilear,itear.)—lie would say, 'that for the .renty years in which the Navy Estimates were , this W3ll the first time those returns were called In all the fancies and imaginations of men, In all dings of party. no one had gone so far as to de the returns which the lion. Member required. An ry iiito the state of the fleet afloat load not been de , d during VI years, even at the time of its greatest t'liture ; and that proceeded front an obvious policy, t he 1146 'lentil to the safety of the country stations to which they might he appointed, their , and number, were previously known. But the Gentleman would say bow mmli a return of the Estimates betray the secrets of the fleet? The tient/email must be well aware that, in that re. every circumstance connected with tire mawagemeat e thvy afloat should come out, and, it' not, he would r'ier la;m to an lion. Gentleman near bins. He his spoken of the pric..a paid for provision 's.; v i ctualling the navy; but he seems to laseetaken " , s.kri of his priers from Leadenhail-market. Did etric to say that he understood the apnea' of tic ,lll :to. navy, if hr would mean to establish the st.i ,, i.trd under every circumstance it might be I!A :lot the lion. Gentlemen know that there !teat ditf. mice in victualling on a foreign station home one, and even a difference between every fo one? He woul I Again repeat, if a return of the Estimates be made every year, the house Would bel *I to mention its naval force, and publish it to turtle Ststr , —(F low, bear.)—The Hon. Gentle had sail that navy accounts were given is Ibl7 — gars him only individual ease, and tinder ruler cirriimstanc..s—thry were given to • 't Committee. But was it because the ity of Government had given to them on ose 'km, that they should now be given is prospects rY•ae, and the fleet not suffered to go to sea until Starry had known how it was to be directed, which d be ttir effect of acceding to the Hon. Gentleman% lie begged the attention of, the home lissome tratiocs "'hick he Wished to make on what had fal rora th e li on. Gentleman, with regard* to the waxes, 'aid tare, of the navy. He had said. since 1817 of 17 . 11010 Una had •xpetkleil au Ilse navy wisigh *kluge enough to build all the sl.ips in the world, but be (Mr. C.) would atonce give him up all the p a pers he asked for, if he could show him that even 7 millions had been expended, much less 17 millions. The Hon. Gentleman in that calculation must haveconverted stones into wood—hr tu4st have included the building at Sheer ness, the building of wharfs, and the breakwater at Ply mouth, which cost one million ; yet all would scarcely amount to 17 millions. From the documents which hr held in his hand, he would read the sums voted in each year, to show his (.l r. Hume's) &censer) , ; and he would Utke it as a favoir from him to correct him if wrong — (I leer, hear.) In Isl 7 . . ..€1,390.277 . . . 1 130 OW 1319 . . 1320 . . . 1,141,(1)0 1,142,000 1621 Total for five year5—Z5,901),277 Mr. HUME, in the two first items, begged leave to eftrect the Hon. Member. The first was, 1.760,277/. the second 1,730,0001. Mr. CROKER.—The Hon. Member must see how widely incorrect his statement had been, and how far abort the expenditure had come of his 17 millions. His Noble, to use a vulgar phrase. had now come to nine. pence. He begged pardon of the house for having di gressed so much, hot the lion. gentleman's statement required some observation He (Mr. Heine) has come down to dictate to the house, mad tell them he would sit till ten in the morning to eulighten their nais.inforuia tide. Ile did nut seem to understand what was meant by wear and tear. He said ships lying in harbour ought not to suffer either—(Mr. Hume—" No such thing").— He said they had been doing nothing but giving holy- day parti,s; bat he (Mr. Croker) wowed tell him, there Ives more active exertion. more wear and tear for human i labour, the last year in the Channel, than had been at I say period during the war. A great number of seamen were employed in cruisers, which was a most laborious pervice, for the purpose of preventing sintiggling ; and there coold he no stronger proof of the efficacy of that system, and of the active exertion of the seamen. theta {he in • in our revenue. Fur the purpose of giving' more effect to that system, the seamen had been divided Into small ships, from u licit proceeded tatore wear and tear than if they were condors' to large ones, He (Ir. Hume) had color down, in the mass sal his information, to inform the house that six thousand marines were ens plotted, in what he had termed summer sailing; bet be seemed to have forgotten his geography—did he meg know that we required a large force to the Mediums, swan, and another to protect our South American trade INd he not know that Cape Horn and the Cape of Hope must hr doubled-{bear!)—and that 'strong forgo must also be kept on the coast of Africa to prevent the Slave Trade? The liouottraide Cientleman ought to have described that service is other terms than summer and yacht soiling. Now that the bootee saw rite ridicule of the thing he exposed—(hear, bear, bear) — it would not wish to hear any more observations on that subject. lie would just remind himdiplat when he, in his speech, was apprized of the foreign stations, he threw it also overboard. He (Mr. linine) wished an inquiry into the tvatre+ of seamen, because the marines were in cluded. Whatever information hr wanted on that stab► jest, he could have when he plea.e.l; he had it last year, sal it was no wore this. Ile had told them that therm. tire p:t y of the marines amounted to 350,01.10/. sir- Anctiql from 600,1nt0/. left only 250,110111.. to pay the sea lint he would tell them bow tt • lion. tiewlere proceeded in his ealonlstions to thi eluded wages, barrack money, clothes thee expenses, dial not properly lived of pay, and all these he deducts." Acme voted fur the Navy ; and it oaq right, he could have 0. 0 1.,094 ,-. AM [ - stialadkoit4seost.4,..._ thew fu me. which were qu... put together. and deducted them . Fleet. He might, with as conch reason, It, sum voted for the building of any_ other pnrpose. The Illonenrable 131 implorej the house to inquire into the Itoyal Marine Deparl-• went, because the Paymaster bail a salary of 2.7701. and be adduced that as an instance why the House should inquire before voting the Esti mates. That appeared to be thr strongest point be made, because that Gentlemen was not at sea, but resided on hind. However, hr was ready to discuss that subject when the Hoare should go into a Committee. The cru4a of the Honourable Gentleman's merit had nor appropched ; he said he would increase li me N av y and lessen the Mlarioes. A different doctrine was Ifrl . tl first years ago; at that time the House were of opinion that the number should be kept as high as possible. There was a considerable difference between a soldier and a seaman; one was obliged to give his service for life, and the other only for three years. 14 we were to add two thon.aull seamen, we should be obliged to take them from the Mariues, and thus be relinquishing a service for life for one of three years. lie has said the pay it SWIM) in 1792, Was di. a in.intli, and now it w •s 6/. Ins, tid. He might have gone further back, and he. would have found it was di. a month also in 1727; but the , Noble Lord (we believe, Lord Althurpe), had I. anji4ly and fairly said th et the apparent comparison gas not The real one. If any Gentleman consulted the Jour nals of the House, and saw the sums voted in the year 1792, he would be surprised to see the little 'difference between, them and those for this year. —He would state a fact or two to guide them.- 111 1792 the sum voted was 1,500.000/. ; there were sab ierplent grants of bnfi,tlo4l/.. 131,009/.. and 430,901 , /., which made a total of 3,166,000/. for the N:ivy Esti mates in 1792. For this year they amounted to 3.3141,10nn1. ' which would consid.•rately lessen that in 1792, if the price of provisions, and the difference between the two periods, were taken into account. The Hun. Gentleman had complained of the appointment of naval officers to be Colonels of Marines, but he (Mr. C.) contended it Was a bond of union between the army and navy, and it was essential to the honour and dignity of the service that his Majesty should he enabled to reward meritorious officers by appointing them to honourable situations.- 11e would give the Wouse an opportunity of judging of the distinguished char,eters who filled those situations 111 the marines, by reading to them the names of the eOninianders sinee their institution—Admirals Lord Forbes, Howe, Harry, Brielport, and last, and long way he continue so, Earl St. incest, most ennobled, and raised to the peerage, forming a bright galaxy, which sheds a lustre un the country. lie contended that it would be injurious to the State if they should disclose the circumstances connected with the Navy, which, in time of war, would enable the foe to discover all our naval movements. Our ancestors had always guarded against It, and he entreated the House, on the present occasion, not to deviate from the plan pursued for so many years.—(The lion. Gentleman sat/lowa amidst load applause.) Mr. BENNErgare the Hon. Gentleman who bad lea sat down much credit for the ingenious and dexter**, speech he had made; bot the sarcasms which he had thrown out upon his friends, both io that House and elsewhere, were quite uncalled fur. He begged to tell ; the House that it was no novelty to the Constitution, kit made to the measure of his Ham. Friend. By the gr. port.of the L'eutmittee that had beep matte in ItsiS,•the principle was acknowledged. He would tell the Hew Gentleman, that the principle of the Constitution was violated by permitting Ministers to apply hue publi looney e they thought 61. If Lis Ham r riCilil'S The numbers on the division srere—For the amend ment,34.—Against it, UK—Majority 3 zAinst it. 114. On Our re-admis•inn into the liallerc, we found the hawse in a Committee of Supply, Mr. iLItbODICN in the Chair. Sir J. OSBORNE was proceeding to more the Es timate•.. ilia; first resolution %vv., ertt 21,000 men he employed in the sea service for the current year, in cludiere !OM turrinrt. . . . sail!. he most again a•!: shat were the circinuststiers of the country witit•ll re.ptired that there shonld he 2,900 men now Inure than in 1t517, fur the same purpose? The reductions that had teem made in the Navy were not owing to the econwity of iittistecs, hat to time death of Itinaparfe. All their promises cd economy h ..1 not protlured one shilling. The. number of the msrines be thieight dispropn. tionate pith the number of seatnen, and he should, therefore, propose All a:nendment to time resolution that 19,151 K) men br sulistitisted for 2l,lileb Sir ti, CO'.'loll7stN explained the °hi-et of keeping np the force .if marines in particular. When the former war broke omit they seffereil materially, owing to the want of All efficient marine force. They were obliged to get landsmen, who, when they went wit on service, were fors time useless, owing to their being sea-sick.— With the view of •voi.ling such ditlieulty on any fotnre occasion, it because desirable to keeputp the • marine force; and this they were enabled to at no particularly increased expense, as the marines perfeeruted military duty in the garrisons, arsenals, Ste, When this stilsj et was agitated, two or the .e years ag the house took this view of time toes/inn ; and it was on such grounds shit the addition to the marines of 2,0110 men was agreed to. As to the number uf seamen, there were se mreely as many as the service required; there was a diffienity in twinning some ships; and this fact showed that more men were nut asked for than w. r • really reqnireil. Sir I. COFFIN said a few words in explanation of what had fallen from bins on a pres•reding night. sir. G. KENNET called on lion. Meaiber% to ctan:l by their constituents awl the people of England, in refits ing to vote for the supportof a greater neetber of men for the sea service now than there were in 17.17. He wished to God the p eople of England wind I look into that House. He wished to God they conid get posses sion of the list of Gentlemen on the other side, who supported the Ministers in such measures, that they might post them through the country.—tie s: Mei upon the /louse to do their duty. according to the promises they bad made out of doors. Sir IiEI)HIiE CLERK 'aid, that if Hon. Members would look to the other parts of the Navy li< imaresthey would see there was a rdnetioo equal to tNo lions.— (Hear. hear.) He hope! the house would not listen to the su'rgestion of the Hon. MI-tuber for Aber:leen to re , dace any part of that useful body of men, the Royal Ma rines. _ Mr. HUME referred to the printed eetimstes whteb stated the naval expenditure for 1517 at s,B7s4llooL—for the present year 4,490,00 f.; so that where tie Hon Member got his two millions diminn.ion from he did no: know. Had it not been for the death of 114attparte, h.• quesOoned whether there would have been any redaction at all. Mr. CROIiER said that the Hee. Member bati.enly Ade a trilling 114;st Age of 471.uooL—(h YAW aid is)angil) —having invlnded in th • Expenditure of 184 that amount whirls was 4.11 w i red fin OH Stores. . . 31r. HUllif t plritargi bium.lf to •be ilotise. tart br 'l4d puted the figures Accurately u they .yee . _ . • the Hori. tientietnan leave the 1,1,m , r," " That there be laid betore the souse, 31 . r• I" his slim. He had in• stating thepriceret irhich tlif pr06•1.,4s Av..rr• filen:shell ..erv.nz 'h thee, shoes, meat, and for lion-tit:rig 'the Ilrftieh Naiy for the rears ISI3. ; saan `r e tperly come under the 1:317. Itt2l. mar/ the amonnt of 091..111,4e dare rations !" 1 .1. 11 :'''' actesi man the wages In Inv seamen, eflol also hair 54.350/. for victualling the " 1 1 "e `'t if fhille 041111% had net Navte was twhe IN out." men evispi alish ii i.Mrelle &sea / ...##‘. li ' ~i mvo_ i , . a . '11 ! •411 . . .._ 41 01 1 0 06 1, • totallittet teat Sor if th e . ; t 1114tur war& ; : heealsillodraal, All. to rrivataarr whatever. ti tbe app lies ion , a " 11 ". 11 'fiat Aerie, be isati--4sugraismat ? i ine as his from the pay of the Mr. eltOK Itit said Ito holulreadcalaine.l big view i "l-f. t ;', 4 `i .eon, bare deducted of the subject ; and he wasuro a l s o „ m i d aoter. . efllll.l 110 v of elmrches, or any mit him to speak twain. . '' . , vai Lod all e Gentleman implored The b. n then divided on this motion:— •• twie , firs • ..I ~ rir . 1:f sTA F -- . .~ j _ r „ ~i F I i~~r~ :~ '~ ;~ ~,.~~ -1 ~~ I