The Statesman. — London, England, 1822-07-15 00:00:00

THE STATESMAN! Vail there a loam in England who did sot know that be entertaining of these projects was confined to some oxen or two of persons in a very obscure state of life, nd widow any means of any description to render hem formidable ! Yet (and what man in England ever forget this?) it was seriously and so onoly d, in the report of the Lords as ell as in that of the Commons, that the dis ffected persons, against whom Stostotrett's terrible ills were levelled, aimed at a subversion of property, be effected by a sew division of the lead. Mot ets, Spenceans, all were lontrd together ; all load ] with this charge; and all thereupon made liable he shut ap in dungeons upon the bare suspicion of Secretary of State ! Many were so shut up, while teir wives and children were suffering from want; 'any, from such shutting up, were ruined is their a irs, rained 10 their health, and one man, Air. Riky, noble to Nippon the torment and gloom of imprison lent, put so sod to his existence In a dungeon ! Let that lialtmen ; and let those who have survived the gloom ad the torment of the dungeons of that day. exult ith uae, Oar, they now bear a defender of the funds, ropositge a division of the land, with as much can. tssness as he would set about carving a pullet or a ie. Those who exulted at the torments and the N otts indicted upon the "people in 1817, ought tsoffrr. not only loss of estate; but loss of every vin:, life only excepted ; awl Mat they ought to be trait ted to preserve only that their suffixing* may be rolonged. Their sufferings have, as yet. hardly be. 30 ; and, In the progress and termination of them, e world will receive a warning the most striking 'at Providence ever furn!shed to man. The other observation of Mr. Ricardo was this,that, the house interfered with Peel's Bill, London world r all in eonfeeion Me nest day; and that all would t rain. He means, I suppose, that the paper bobble Gold burst; and the whole race of Jews and Jobbers cold disappear, as the slugs do before the face of a arching con. To that corrupt, that cormorant, that feral race, it might be total rein ; but, as to the et about the House laterferiog with Peel's Bill, the onse has already interfered, by the Small Nuts Bill. he avowed object of Peel's Bill was, a return to e ancient currency of the country ; and the nail Note Bill, is intended to prevent, 10 101110 de ree, a return to that curreney. More will be done in' e same way, during the neat Session of Parliament; it, any rate, here Is an taterfereace. The House has ready interfered. Let it be ob d, however, that is man of practice about the foods, acknowledges at the whole ling would be blown up, if Paces ill were repealed; let it be observed that he ackoow, dges that ; and all my readers know well, that, if i not reputed, and the interest of the Debt not r Iced, the men who were deepened in 1817, wil ive ample vengeance on those who insulted them :11 who laughed and sang and triumphed, when th rive arrived that the troops had marched a who! stly of petiticasert from their place of meeting into il, without warrant, or without even a shadow of gal proceeding. The men who stood in that jai ad two nights and a day iu the month of Match idt the wet dripping on them, will have to rejoice at Sue, who then mocked them, have now to boo melt anufserey awl sews is their tern. It is perfectly true , that , to repeal Peel's Bill wont rodure a blowing up. It would be an open declare on of Bankruptcy. on the part of the dovernmeol o man would rely on it any more. A hundred as thing that they call three per cents. would son II for so more than ten pomade; and. in a ohm me, not for the price of a leg of mutton. Thi unit!, indeed, enable the government to get rid e ; but, (sad this is the thing!) tetrould, I certainty, rid Me nation of Me Boringhnsongerin, stem ! If a kgal tender be continued, and cope ally at the mother bank, after nest May, it will b declaration of Bankruptcy ; and a useless declare on too, for, there mast be something more than eve at dune to give relief. except the Debt called Na :nal be reduced. All the struggles; all the with gs and twisting. of the THING, will prove seitill g. There can be no relief. without a total alten on of the whole system ; and the only question it Nether that shall be effected quickly, through th ease of reform, or whether it shall be left to effee self, in another and very different sort of way. I now come to the speech of your Lordship, the sob once of which was this: that you diespproved of al bean for raising priers; to lessee taxes was the we , relieve the land ; that the farmer would be worse o Pxt year than this year; that it was the interest of th ablic creditor that taxes should be reduced ; that yo sapprorcd of the Kent Petition, and hoped the exam 'e would not Le followed ; that he greater part of the stress arose from the changes io the currency; that )II had not mach pity for the Country Gentlemen, as a 'ass, they having supported the system of extravagance; tat the effect of the Cash-measures, " had been antici pated by him (in a speech made at the time), by the Loedo* facer* Petitioners, by Dr. Coppledone, and others:' dial a large reduction of taxation was the remedy;my that you had looked at the prim:menage knew distance; that neither side of the noose had one its ditty, and that you did not think much of any f the amnions that had been made, except dines of oar learned and hmaourable friend, the Member for nu/irises (Mr. Broogbani) and the Honourable 'ember for York, Mr. Wyville. the former of whom reposed to stop the sinking fund and the latter to tire off ten or twenty millions of taxes. I shall take these in their order. I agree withyoar ordsloip, that nothing ought to be done to raise Tires; I agree with you, that to take off taxes is the ay to relieve the land, and to relieve every body else ccept r.etax-eaters; l also agree with you; that the mace *GI be worse off *rot year than hat this poor. songh I cannot but recollect, that this is directly is se 'crib of Lord FITZ% ILLI 31 . 11 statement to his tr. ants when he reduced their rents last fall. the erre eousoess of which statement was so clearly exposed y me in my rustic harangue at Illintingoloa, made DOA ado that statement was .promulgated. Hat, I ow room to 'natter much less evidently true in point f fart, and surprisingly less reasonable is point of pinion. I agree with you that the changes in the mem), have been the immediate cause of the greater sit of the distress; hut, as to your assertion, that hose whom you call the public creditors are interested n the reduction of taxes; and as to your disapproval the Kentish Petition, I totally disagree aith you; nd for the reasons which I am now about to state. Loser down you say, that you approve of the mo tines of Messrs. BoomWs and WM LLB. By the bye (to interrupt snyielf a little), though I am aware. that your Lordship is ono of Burke's l Corinthian Pillars, and, of course. can take liber ties wholly unbecoming in thee. of the Doric and Tutorgc order I and oat to be tolerated in Is brick-wall and pavement mortals; though lam well aware of this; though I make allowances accordingly, sod am by no means disposed to affix the epithet ar rogant to yoir Lordship's observations. I most, se vertheless, be allowed to say. that. if I bad hese In your place, and bad (from whatever came) been oh seat irons ney daty I. Pediment daring nineteen twentieths of the session. I would not have taken upon me to say that neither side of the Hoses had done its duty; and if I bad. having been absent all the while, erected myself Into sole judge of all that bad been done, I would not have selected for my exclusive ap probation, two modeles, which kad really produeed no eject at all, while, in my lumping disapprobation, I included all the motions which bad taken off abort four inillious of tarts, and, when. amongst the taxes taken off, was a very great part, at any rate, of the eruel, odious, and impolitic tax epos salt. To retort' : lower down in your speech you say. that you approve of motions of Messrs. Brougham and ; the first, for stopping the Sioking Fund and the latter for striking off ten or twenty millions of taxes. Orriag, perhaps, to my beige rather nearer) to the spot than you Lordship, I perceived no such voodoos, made by these 'endwise.. Mr. Brougham talked about something indeed; he talked about all manner of things, and for a great many haunt aid, I dare say, he did talk about the einkiag fond. He talked; ob ! God, how he talked I but, locked, my Lord, he never made say proposition for stopping the Sinking Fund. Neither did Mr. Wyville make nay proposition for taking off tea or twenty tor:Boos of taxes. Neither of them made any dittinet proposi don I neither of them did any thing that had any effect vpoa the cavalry: any thing that did any good, or that was calculated to do any rood. But, cease back to your proposition, that the public creditors ought to desire each reduction of taxes. you most suppose, then, that they ought to de sire a reduction of their interest; and yet, wonderful to relate, you disapprove of the Kalish Petition ! It is impossible to account for the whims and vagaries of some minds, from which whims sad vagaries the Corinthian Order does really seem to be fall as mach liable as any other. Yon would take off ten, or you would take off twenty millions of taxes ; and yet yen would Dot reduce the interest of the debt. Now, the whole of the tales collected in Great Britain, iacluding ...1 40 11...5e • }....•••••••~••• millions a year. Take off teo ; that is to say. a eiatb i part of the present bardeos. Will that relieve the farmer? Your Lordship ought to kaow that it would not be equal to the degree in which be has become sores off during the lest eighteen months. Take off twenty millions. Will that do ? Your Lordship ought so know, that eves that .will not place him where ho was at Michaelmas 1819, that is to say. i long after hie rein had iegeus. If be is to be worse off nest year them thin year (though four millions of luxes ago taken off) hew is the taking offof twenty mil- 1 I lions to place him where he was eves after his roll begun ? It is got to be supposed that you did set emcee Im the circular letter addressed by Gerd Fltswilliant to Ms tenants last fail. That let ter described things as having come to a reified state I it described prices. u having come to their Moat. You have now changed your opinion. You now think that the farmer will be worse off next year Lisa this, though four millions of tax es b are been taken e 8 So short a time having taught you to change your opinion upon so material a point, a little more time may induce you to change it again ; from which reflection the men of Kent will, doubt less, derive some consolation, and live le hope that their Petition will nut long condone to be a sub ject of disapprobation with your Lordship. Besides the strange potion, that the farmers are to be relieved by the taking off of taxes so at to lore Jody million* a year to be collected ; besides the, strange notion that they will be able to pay the, same rents that they paid in ninety-two, when the whip!e of the taxes, including collection, amounted to seventeen millions; beside the strange notion, that they will, with the prices of ninety-two, be able to pay their share of forty millions ut tales, and pay their present rents, or even the rents of ninety j two, into fie ltbrgain ; besides this strange, this wild, this visionary, and. your Lordship must al low me to satlbis Corinthian notion ; besides this millioOs of taxer are to be taken off? Let me put this question to you distinctly. Will you take it from the Army, from the Navy, from Waterloo, from the teepetheters themselves ? Do you propose to re duce the half pay sad peados, ? Oh, no ; " those " who have fought and bled" mast be paid. You will hardly take it from the tax-gatherers that are to collect forty millions a-year. Will you take any thing from the Civil List ?--aad will you begin with the pen sions to Bork's grecutors? As to the Army, do you really propose to collect forty millions of taxes every year without as army? Oh, no, no man, oat of Red lam entertains any notion quite so mad! It is use. less. therefore. to cry oat against the extravagance of the government, or to say. that you do not pity the country gentlemen who have supported that ex travapace. These things are all necessary to up hold the Debt and the Boroughs; the Debt is neces sary to the Boroughs ; and all the above-mentioned things are necessary to both. The patsies' of Donut and those to his Executors are amongst the most extra vagant and profligate things that have ever been wit nested by this oppressed nation, whom they have cost more than ennui:phonemes( pounds already, given to that venal scribe for being the trumpeter to that very war, which created tbree•foarths of the Debt, and which has finally produced ,the ruin and (amiss that we behold. Yet, even that most extrava gant ■nd most profligate of all things that ever was beard of, was necessitate° the Debt sod Borough-bye teen ; and, as loot as that system last, the same things must continue to be. It is in vain, therefore,to talk about reducing taxes,an loupe begin with the debt.To call upon theklinisters to pay the interest of this debt,and,at the same time,to take from them the army, the tax gatherers, and all the rest of what you call extravagant expenditure, is going beyond the Cotintbian, it is going back to the Egyp. ties, and being like Pharaoh, who would , here she same quautity of bricks without soy allowance of straw. But (aid hire is the rub), the debt camaot reduced without a redeetios of the boroughs. Pe• ter►erougb, Wm; Ferrer', and all these other mei t sink-boles, that produce us the beaefit of the wisdom arising from the education of the tawdry g" sweet Wisebelsea, Kearesborougb, Caine, and all the other sweet places, must be laid open, and, in abort, no lon• gar bless us with keel; bundles of wisdom; or, the ie. tercet et the debt nutlet be reduced. It is the debt which upholds the boroughs. and the boroughs hare created the debt. Your Lordship seems to smelt (which is full as correct as to say that you feel) that these dear companions are inseparable. Like Saul and Jonathan, they have lived sweetly together; and in their deaths they will mot be divided. This your Lordship seem to smell; but I can assure you, that you Will sever get twenty millions of tacos taken off as long as they live; the conclusion therefore is, and hippy I am that It is such, there most be a Reform of the Parliament, or, the total rain of the pruest rocs of Farmers and Landlords. I used any no more as to the subject before the house ; but, its she cisme of your Lordship's speech. there dropped out an observation, in which I myself, though of the brick-wall and pavement Order, cannot kelp feeling some little personal interest. Speaking of 19itsea . biq, , you said. tha►. " the effect of that t‘ immure had bees anticipated by bins (you) in a " speech made at the time; by the London Tavern " Petitioners; by Dr. Co LLLLL vox ; and others." Now, as to the " speech," made by your Lordship at the tiests.io the first place. I neve► heard of it before; I cam fimi so traces of it any where, and yet, if there be a was, that has kept a sharper look out than my -1 self for things of this eon,' should be glad to see that man. In the nest place, this speech. Corinthian though doubtless it was, certainly produced no epet upon the Parliament, who voted the measure unani morsly g nor did it produce any effect upon your owe party, whe, it is perfectly notorious, were not only the ask( supporters. Let even the inventors of tbe measure; and who found fault of It only because it was not more rapid in its operations: As to the Petitioners at the London Tavern, their interference 1 very well recollect; and. I did, " at the time," or as soon as possible afterwards, notice the sensible speech of Mr. Arvaroon is moving that Petition. Dr. COPPLIOTON wrote his pamphlet late is the year 1818, or early in the year 1819; that is to say, just before the measure was brought forward; but let it he observed that this humbug was a■ advocate fbr Me measure I He did, indeed, say, there would be distress; bat be did not , sootemplate distress like the pretest. He did not talk *bout the rain of Lmsdlords and Parsons. He did not talk about the transfer ofestates. This humbug thought that nothing but paper money people were shout to be pulled down, and that Farmers were shoot to be lower ed; and place ; much less did he ever describe it. But, there were " OTHEItS "; and why did your Lordship sot name those other.? It was beneath a Corinthian Mar, 1 suppose, to say, that, in 1811, from Neagate be first warning came forth in " Parr against Oold"; bat the 4 Register" contained warming upon ware g fromlBl4 to 1818 ; and that fa the month of *Ty 1816; the " Two-pettily" Trier r ,Ti a Letter to Tt . K etepieted, before-band, not only the rain, bat the treaste7ta of it, and the manner of it, just as it has mew cease lo pass; to say this might have been be neath a Corinthian Pillar; but, then, you may be well 'assured, that the pnblic will agree with me. that the Corinthian Pillar would have done better to say no thing at all about anticipation ; and, let me ob is conclusion, that, it does seem a little strange, that you should have thought it proper (and at this time of day too) to refer to a speech of your owl making, which never /need its way into prim:, while you seem !to hays wholly forgotten writings that have passed ithrough edition after edition, and have been read, and 1 are read. with great attention by sovery large • por t ton of the people. Ab! Lord Milton, your stomach ust come down, or, the consequences will be such as. ith all your powers of foresight. you do not seem to "anticipate" in the smallest degree. It is a strange thing that none of you can perceive how much credit you world get by acting the manly part as to this matter; and, which is of full as much importance, what a triumph you give me every lime you act a part of a contrary character. I am more than half convinced, that your disapprobation of the Keist• leA petition arose from the same identical feeling, which made you recollect your own and Dr. Coma ,rot's anticipations ; but I am also convinced, that the county of Kent, participating in no such feeling, will remain satisfied with what it did, your Lordship's disapprobation notwithstanding; and this I know to a certainty, that if the rest of the nation do not follow the sensible example, the suffering in consequence will belong muds more to the Corinthian Pillars than to the Order of Brick-wall and Pavement. 1 am, Sir, ,your Lordship's most obedient, And most bumble servant, Wm. C Yesterday the King attended divine service at the Chapel !loyal, St. Junes's. The Doke of York war also present. and accompanied his Majesty on his re tiro to his Palace in Pall• Mall. Mr. Secretary Peel bad an audience of the King on Saturday. The Earl of Liverpool being recovered from his in. disposition, left town on Saturday accompanied by Colonel Jenkinetic' for Coombe %Vona. ' The Royal Sovereign yacht la *Hared to be fitted for the conveyance of the Prises gad Princess of Den mark, on their return to Copeohagen. His Majesty's yacht the Royal George, Commodore the Hon. Sir Charles Paget, will go oat of the har bour on Tuesday next. Sir Charles returned to his seat, Fair Oak, this morning, after inspecting the pro- gress at the equipment. Ells Majesty is not expected to embark before the first week in August. No inti mation has been given that it is his Majesty's inten tion to go to Scotland in his yacht, as stated in the London papers this week.--.(Hamphire Telegraph.) The King. has, within these few days, approved of plane for further alterations and improvements in his old Palace at St. James':., in which are arrangements for the company attending his Majesty's Courts, to be set down at one place sad takes op at another. The balletic of July 11, from Endsleigh Cottage, sates that the Duke of Bedford bad an excellent night, and was gobs( on well. FON THE STATESMAN. PRICES OF PROWISIONS /N IRELAND. TO WOr..COBRETT, Esq. SlE—Peresioise Axe your occasional remarks the alleged lush* as Ireland are f..unded on wbr know from obsertation to be the truth. I beg leave state a few particular,. which in addition to the mellow export of proviiions, must prove beyond a Ability of contradiction that a great and soperatii &nee of the necersaries of life are to he found in land. The prices below stated, were the current r. only one weak ago, in he most d districts. ESTIMATE OP THE AMUSE PRICES. 14th. of Potatoes Os. 4d. lOU Eggs (only a half-penny for 3) Os. 10d. One Turkey, 121 b weight .. Is. Bd. Two Fowls 1041. I Mb. Oatmeal 20s. Bread, Pork, Moat and Milk, mach cheaper than in England. Ott TIES COAST. The ordinary descriptions of fish very cheep. A Turbot 118111 Is. Rd. Two &Wes, 9 to 10th Os. 3d. I learnt, however, that there was one commadit sot quite so reasonable as the preceding necessaries life, via:— To the Priest, for the crime of conversing with en Heretic on Religion, the ►owest .. . be. Or, in failure of that, a penance 'goal almost to starvation. To Ditto, for reading the Bible—a penance anproaching as near to the starvation that has been described to exist in Ireland, as possible. There seemed to me to be a great object in these Priests to keep the lower orders, whom they live upon by thousands, in niter ignorance —and I concise• that the existiog distresses among them originate solely • ignorance. —Year's, London, July lb. VERAX. TO THE liblltHt OP THE STATESMAN Sin--.-Ton have pretty well esposed the hypocrisy, not to say "blaaphemy," of those wbo bare been endea vouring to make us believe that the present stifferine of the Irish people are owing to a visitation of Provi dence. There is now no one to be found hardy enough to assert that there is a deficiency of food. It is wed known that in Ireland, the chief article of food far the " Swinish multitude." (as well those on tree legs as those on [oar) is POTATOILS. Now, Sir, it was not soil with in these few years, usual to manufacture, and seed to the hoodoo market, any considerable quantity of bacon, daring the summer months. But, in these times of scar city great quantities arrive in the Port of London almost every week ; and, it is a fact that ought to be univer sally known, that the very last Waterford Port list, con. mined as account of upwards of 12,000 flitches ofbaeon, just shipped for the London market, I am, Sir, your most obedient Servant, A. B. CORN MARKET, JULY 12. TO THE EDITOR OF THE STATESMAN, Sin—The wheat harvest having just commenced, and, as my Lord Londonderry, in the House last Febranr said " it was to the transactions in Mark-lute the fn.. en were to look for relief," I am induced to make vivo observations on their present prospects.. Agreeably tat your wishes Isocasioaally to offer yet my sentiments on the f our market, 1 forward to yon!o few remarks as to the present; likewise'vy opiniot of the future. Ilse weekly arrivals of Wheat and Flour, coastways, since last b , have been uncommon% large, averaging together upwards of 20400 quarters and sacks per week. This, with what bps arrived westward and by land carriage, 1 consider must have greatly exceeded theconsumption ; coasequently leaving on the Wharfs and in Oranaries in or near London near ly tree months stock. If the weather prove favourable the Wheat will be very fine, and we shalt. again has large supplies upon our already over-stocked market. This will cause a decline of 10s. or 15s. per,quarter the best Wheat; for it is not as some imagtoe, that bad wheat of last harvest bas pulled down the price of tn, good, but the contrary, it has caused high prices. good wheat being scarce. Should then opinions prove cor rect (of which 1 have no doubt) the farmers will at length discover, it is not to high prices, but to those source , you Sir, have so plainly pointed out, they most look f relief. • 1 remain, your's, &c. • • • We have sees a letter from Mr. Math, a bative this town, but now baying en appointment ander . wernment, at New South Wales. From this let:er, which is dated Sydney, Feb. 22, we have been allowed to make the following extract:—" I was much prised. on my arrival in this country, to find every title of British merchandise so excessively dear : kinds of prioted gonds,cotton stockings, haberdashery Stc. are all from 100 to 400 per cent. dearer than England. India goods are at moderate prices; strange it is, that people residing here, now they obtain silk at a cheaper rate, will prefer common Eng. lista gingham or print, which is dearer than silk. Thi is a delightful climate, and a fine country for young man with a small capital. The shipments England of wool, timber, hides, skint, &c. are at sent very considerable, and will, in coarse of time, very great.,. Tobacco grows in great abundance. as yet there is no one who understands the curing it. Thereof* some Nottingham people out here, 4 two or three stoeitiag frames. If any of your fat ing friends should have a wish to come over here. they would not be disappointed. Brewers are much in deemed : there are two in Sydney who making formes as fart as they can count it. Sydi has • popnlation of abont 14,00 inhabitants ; public buildings are superb; the barracks, he. superior ro any I have rern in Ragland, which cannot wonder at, when it Is considered, that the best mechanics are frequently sent out to this room 'the meat is excellent, but rather dear ; every year will decrease in price, owing to the rapid increase cattle. Fish and wild fowl are in abundance: (A Oda: ham Review ) CORN Excite:4cm, JULY ls.—There was bat little .. Corn this morning at market, and the trade was hem and samples of the finest qnality obtained last Monda: prices. All inferior sorts are 2s. per quitter cheaper, Barter is also is. per quarter lower, with berry salt There being but few buyers Pens and Beans are n fallen is. per quarter:—There was a great quantity Oats at market, which caused them to fall 2s. per qr, SMITHFIELD MARKET, JOLT /s.—The Market moderately supplied this morning is the., and but Sheepappeared.—Lamb was plentiful.—All deseriptioas of Meat, particularly Mutton has advanced In Sheep are irons de. to se. per bead dearer than last llgr ket day. • • • Lesi ! ks ()If bat I • veto e im• • pos. And- I lye- , rates .dity es of • . I hie. epon that ia /C- V. risy, des- 'Ott- ogh welt the hose rith- to • con, var- most t , jeer- con- eon, B. and, tnry. sem- mal rd to pion loor, only hers I need i . have 'leg sear- Nib!, have ; I et.— r On t the f the ' good L r- co 'Kt!' Met k fur • e of •tter. L .; sired • set- y ar- all t 1 fiery. • n in bat tan Eng- V t4.j This 11 say is to • pre - e, be but 1 r fig of and t , farm- here, • also •. r are dney the are Ir we 1 very otry. sr it se of .." e first feint' days • now ty of ti was it few 1 1 doss 77 p . .