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U be dektsdeff by any pi:twill!' of the Constitution, or of ewriteiFial enacitu.:ut. Without dirthictitin or reference to euy political party, he was aloue aaxi our that the fact 'mould lie Irani, the rule ro unjust in its nature abrogated, and the liatiottal fame redeemed from the mate imputation wha:h mast atutch to such a line of policy. Viscount Sweat' ru declared, that though eir curnsieribed by the absence of the documents which besought, he weuki perrevere g and hurl no doubt of proving brat thereexirtedavery material difference betweeii the circumstances arising out of the policy parind nu the Danish and Prussian' capture*. The 31trtion of the ruble Viircouut was then appiceltto, -turd the •ohglital order for rualmoniag their Lordships for nest Tuesday war I lischarxed. • Meras. Wesarott and Lieu a brought up from thrit.'otrunour the 'rim Criminal Itecograiranee and Irish eel; with roam private lulls, which were seri/411y read a rin4 time. Mr. Owen., from the Ea . st Twirls 'louse, pre. s.: iterlitbe autatal i t ecount irk*. the proceeds of the sirs of East India merchandize iu Europe.-.- ti,dtaid to lie ou the table.—Adjourned., BOL:Si OF CI GRANTOr ND EL T.CI 11 ALLert ED !0313.10N5, rION CO.3I3IITTEE, TRU OAT.' Walter Junes, Esq. TWA.. IX T. Drake. Ext. Matbefr Melit 2 g.e. E• q* Nathaniel S tt)d. Esq.. kabert !Asir, Esq. Hun. r.i.. epeacer Cowper. Ilia Hoe. H. R. Pakeneseis, lobo C. breeford, Eaq. Mervyn Archesll, Eel. Ram Hasselien, req. Re Rea. I'. R. Fagan. lassie Gurti:s4 Wallows Lucktaxt, ,Lsq. . couriers. irstpli Marriott, lA. I Robert IYar4, ~4 71612,41: „ A Mirim frost ego fro nee Lords uttiwatil o the • Mi l d attest to th e Jr Cotton Er:puns:me . neon Mr. 'larva's, bloutht up the Bill fat Penridlaa decent fateriseot iu rbunb.yan.r ur peruebsil burying-goads, fur btwain dyad bodies, east 11p011 11w awns of Great Britain Mil fn lead, by creets er tabs:reser. Read it fort Slow, aid welt Iva tubs-m*4*second nen ust Thci !day twat, audio be giri,!ed. TM Atom was ordered to be called epee Tweeds, neat, aAli the 89111t9 k of absent Members Vein' the Motiuu t.f Sir Jona Now Win or dered to br tad % T rio the 'table, Copies of the Abstract! of Me Retinas sase,l e to iho Vrti l C•outeit of Grow Britaa, by rite neeral Archbishops of Ireland, Mimic to the Rein. 'fusee of the Cletgy is their respective Dioceses, in the years lust, ti, aid 7. PAY XI ASTEJL-G E.lt A ,AC CO UNTS. • • Mr. Lotto, in purau*iaa of his melee, rose to !hove for leave to bring in a Bill fur accelerat ing the examination star auditing of the accounts of the IhiyarniatersCsnieral of His !Majesty's forces. clot' te. this the Right Honourable (u ntle num ma ie a .few obeervations to thew-that some Material elterationa were Since the time of pasting the bill, is 17961, t h ere 11114 been delivered five accounts of the Paymester- Gtstie.al of the loners, only oue of which bad been eiitniaed. These accounts were. for part of the Sear 17ost, while there remained aceouuts un examiiied nod unaudi.ed fur twenty-tire years.— This *hewed either that some great neglect had &intro, or that noun dein:twig existed in the regu lation or the existing laws. He was pertaaiied that the neglect was Rot to he attributed to those who at preheat held any of the Offices conute'etd with this diva:linen, as it was not in their power to pro. duce theme materials that were oecetwary; nor could be *taiga any neglect mu the *ace of the Secretary at War. He was persuaded it was alone to be ac eratuted for ley the defect iu the uniting laws. 'These were many of the regulations in Mr.lßurke's Act upon this aubieet, which he highly approv. el . 0. '1( 4 1 us that which reqaired Menemy and the amounts re he kent at the public Bank. But knowing as he did that Mr. Burke possessed as much kuowledge of political mammy as any man, it was uo disparagement to his memory to toy, that the habits of that geutleman'a life did not nod him to atteol to all the stagnant of public expenditure, and coanqueatly his Boil was deli - strut ins various respects. Previous to that Act, all sums for the payment of regiments were voted for the hill establishment, by tike Houle of Cournous, to be paid from the office of the Beeretsre at 'iVar. This mosey was divided under various heads, the principal of which was, that for the sate:steam of regiments, and after that was done there was a fund lA, which was called "1 The Noe-effective Account," which was paid into the balsams of agents, sod applied for recruiting regi bens that . were deficient in their complement. 'Mr. Mirky's act made the money be paid frotn the .drat, under eertaiii heads, and provided, that the accounts of regiments should he iirst ezentinotl, anti then a is arrant to be issued limn the Secretary at .War should be the document to the Paymaster- Clown!. Now here was the defect—there was no necessity for the Paymaster-Greneral waiting for the examinnien of rieeinentel accounts, and this he lateatled to remedy- by the present Bill. The Pay =aster-Gwent' should (ably be required to give in &vomits when lie had reeeltdd the necterary docu ments, a :trek which would afford the public com plete security. The defect was, that all sums is. tined by the ihsyinaster-f ;entry! were Called to sub altern% who were required to deliver in their ac. events to the. Comptroller, to the nine of the he ritary ut Wee, and this occasioned the greatest pin. of them net to hare bee, examined. No man was inner et, tviuced than he 17:Ib of the necessity of smile .4 the regi'neutal accounts. It fortntvl a part of the labo tr. of a Cowtuitter, unready ap: 1w the [lease, alai he was sure that much terrier wneitl he thrre!iy 'readered to the public. Whatever that l'oneuittee ,hould deterni Mr upon . the auiitet, would not iuterfere with what he W:l9 eatityrulttig for, :Heady, that the accounts of the Paymaster-flestena rhall be collected into one ac eount, and eoneidet ants a cash ecenunt, and au dited when all the regimental 812 , 11.i:its are 6, 12 .. a. lie mold not suggest uuy mode that could . give more effectnal senrity to the public. Ile the:eine!, coneltule with moving for leave to bring iii the and s.:Ketid afterwards pro -~tae, that it be reel u tun ti.nr, a eel thew priietil. Dr. (...scvaxect..iitl not rise to ol.,.o" it.r . 1 - .01 hat t o sv .. Ne i th e ro ,• ili o r y of that trill I. wlaw: Wl,uie ha•l been, he thought, soitiewhe.! ~1 gulerly iutrod neetl anon this ocieseion. Mr. lei -5 In his fiell; which %las mittro•liteed Is istily, et meant that the art:stint should lie ii essli tie. • all iuteitts uud purpose, ; but after it pit was dii.:sicertil that larre weer iist stiffii ient i:iree -rith al:at be I ,lint It/ intnided to introduce. lie heard Unmet* advert to the cruet situation to which tlotrayttersater44- nand rout reduced, by the isixsonnto retuniuing so lo io uthiuditcd. The law bad. taken out ad the slocutueuts from his hands, mud, after twenty yea's, be war to tie made responsible should any kief‘and drat:icor. He understood that the various docu ments dad ucouttutai of that department had beau actuali,y: sold iu baAets full to a tallow-ehaildkr, and he should like to know how thew war *gun, to be restored? He certetuly thought that some 'regal itiom wire Iniaty desirable and uecemiry to he adapted- • • _ _ - . Zdr. Lona added,. that he did not menu to in sinuate any thing diiirespvctful to the menial of Mr. Burke. as no one ever Ind • groater respect for that rest Mall than he bads If, however, Mr.• Burk? intended the account of the Paymaster- Geneml to he a cash uecount, these never lies a Bill more unfortunate to street• its intended pur pose, ss that account was never considered in that light. Loire's's, then given to•briniiti the E. • A person from the East Itidia Company pre sented au account of the goods and merchandise sold, and the proceeds of the sales ot the Era India Company, which was ordered to be referred to the Committee upon Ea•t India affairs. LOCAL FIILTIA BILL. Mr. RpOLST DuNDAs, ib absence of Lord Cnstlereagh, wished to postpone the second rend ing of this bill, which stood for this day, to 'Mo.'. day nett, provided a Right Hon. Burt. near him,(Sir Thomas Turton) would agree to postpone a motion he inteded to bring feirward upon that slay_ relutivq to the Camatie Question.. Sir TLIONIAS Tvlto■ txpreseed bis acquits ernes in *bat ires proposed by the Right Hon. C;v..tiewou: The second feeding of the Local Militia Bill was aet?rningly postponed to Monday nest, sod the Carnatic Questioa to Tuesday.se'onight. 001111ITTZ1 OF SOFPLY. motiocmt COLLEGE. Upon the motion nt 111 r. F'u rs the House went into it Committee .1 Supply, wherein he .u , milted a Resolution for the support of the tionian Catholic College at \lay - tooth. He statedahat the original sum given by linverutnent was e.oooi. but that last year a further sam had brew granted, for the purpose of building additional .11CCOUll deficit's for the students. The whole then amounted to 13,0001. and the scholars to 250, which being 50 mote thin originally intended, he should pro pose• to make some addition to the o:•iguital allow.. once for their maintenance and education. He then concluded with moving : `rTliat it is the opinion of this Committee, Hint the ame safg,estd. Irish convoy be granted fro defraying the atom of the Coheir of Maroons, fruto the sth of Januery, Dm, to the Stlt of January, isoo." Sir J ins Nevi PORT said, he rose for the pur pose of gloving, " That instead of the above aunt, the sum of 13.000 i. should be substituted in said Resolut mu." The College was originally intended for the accommodation .1 . 400 students ; hut at the period while there was no war upon the Continent, and previous to the French Revolution, there acre no less than .478 scholars, who received their edu cation upon the Contiuent, intended for the Ca tholic priesthood. Muny of these received gratui tous support in Flanders, Spain, Route, and Lisbon. But since the greater part of the Continent had be come subjugated to the dominion of France, none of those being so educated, it was found impossible to supply the deficiency in Ireland, otherwise than by augmenting the number educated at this in stitution. There was in all a supply of 4ili in the year 1793, and it could not he reasonaby sup posed that there could be less occasion for them in Maori. when it was known that a great increase of po;nalatiou had taken place. He was ate less to lertaw upon what principles the present Adminis tration could think of withholding that support which was deemed necessary by the former Ad min;stration, unless it was merely because the aug nentatioa to the original grant was on set of the former Administration. Could it he the wish of that House. watching as they ought to do, over the welfare of the community. that the priesthood of Ireland should be uneducated ? This must be the case, should tbcy think of wit rowing the grant which was thouelit necessary for that education. The College of slaynooth had come to a detercuination to exclude any person who transferred himself for education to ileris, at the time when that was possible, as they deemed such education Ism proper than one obtaiued in Ireland; and was this the return to make to a body of men who shewed themselves so careful of the mode of in struction to four millions of the community could only attribute such at proposed curtailment to complete infatuation, as it was adopting the very worst means to reconcile the great body of the po pulation, by taking them from the controul advise who were best adapted to give then iiroper in struction, and hearing them to the directions of an ignorant priesthood. Government would in vain attempt to make the Roman Catholics Protes tants by such • step, or make them better suliacts. The Roman Catholics of Ireland must attribute such a conduit to downright bigotry in the Legislator', and consequently would be in (lined tis he worse subject... (Ilere the Right floe. Bart. read a letter from Doctor Dunn, to the Government of Ireland, and aliother document, to chew that thtre was a deficiency M the iwiesthoinl). lie should conceive, that it would he the principle of every wise C. - wen:went, to bring under their controttl eliteutioa of such large Igely of the country's itol,a:atiou. If they did not, lie should bissient the eouwalitences that were likely to ensue by their coinnaitting . the guidance of such a lan, , e portion of the people to their ignorant priesthood. If they looked to ,arasselyting that class of His subjects, they would have a better change of icreuding by giviug them itupriietion. Sir ArTMta WILLS:M.IA mid, he agreed with the ori.tioril :esolation propri,etl by his Right !loth Fricnd, fr.an a couvictioli that the tr.ainbta of ~.tm atitnitt.ll to Ca. College, togeile-r with a.l,n sere eitleitt•.l in .itlicr taut.; of Ireland, *,•rc faliy sufileient to .apply all the demount.— Ti.cre were in all nrit reLfularir educated I rda i pl, %hid, nail nuinher of iitly in a, to keep tip the number of , 00.) fur i he C.l , to;itinti of the whole it intended that t r.s i!toitiuttioa of the Col- Nlnynootii should be aL the expense of the ) public, as would be seen by the original memorial presented to the Lord Lk uteaunit iu 17;y2. It had now fallen upon the public to educate , 250 per sona, herides which there were 111 students is other institutiona iu Irelaud, amounting in all to 34it regularly educated. Add to (lase the 470 who were educated 013 the Continent, where massy of them had nut ntaitied theiuselt es by the exercise of their functions,• having re , :eivcd Piiest's ordirs be fore they went abroad. Mauy of there had re turned, and upon the whole he thought the uuntr her amiay sufficiatit. bir JOHN NswroaT slid, that the 111 students alluded to by the Right Don. Gent. were educated ul seinivaries mertify preparatory to their admissiou into Cie College of Alayoodth. Mr. I ' ONtiONOT observed, that the sum of 34361. was the whole saviug which was thus to be effected by the present . Miuistry, and this, no doubt, he should suppose arose from their violent spirit for (economy, cud not to cast a slur upon the former Administration; nor by shewing their ligotted sentiments, to cast an affront upon the great body of the people. Had they evinced nay such spirit of (motion:y.ln regard to the Dublin Police Bill, for which they - had lately voted 20,0001. ? Did the Right Hononoureble flea tleman advert to this, that by endeavouriug to wake this saving of 371101. he was running the risk of de posit iug a great portion of four millions of the peo ple of a proper education ? That Right Honour- . . . . able Gentleman seemed to think that there war Slid' benefit attaching to foreign education. that those priests who had been educated abroad and rrtetrhed were to become imtnortul. Rus it not to he atippored that they were as subject to death as those wh•. had been educated•in Ireland ?, The deticiency was , such, thut many of the studenttrhad t.ce., taken out of the colleges before they had emnpleted their seven years education, in order to supply the aur.uul demand. The Colh ge of Maytiamb eked the sues of 13,0001. as a favour, and it was to be suppmed they had estimated tile ittecssity wisely. ,1 as it wise, then. under inc wl.fne eiicmu►tuiim of the case, for Go- rernmeitt to refuse this twsistrusee ? To how many worse purposes would suvh s sum as that now sought for be probably applied by this present Pat ilausellt T It was really impossible to inasigti any cantle for the conduct of Ministerv, bat the plea sure they felt in refusing a favour to the Catholics, which had been granted by the former Adminis . .teation. He wasoonvincea, that were the sense of the_peoPle of this country taktl upon the 1196. ject, there won't' be 'found one hundred to one io favour of grautiug the larger sum, in order to con ciliate suck a large muss of the popu*tiom — If' the Government of the- country disapproved of instructing the Roman Catholics, why did they grant any Ltstistaitee 44 all ! If they granted theta any thing, why opt grant them that which was deemed sufficient, and which they might esteem a favour? . The Managers of tbis College could have no purpose in asking more than was wanted.. It ought to be remembered, that the Clergy of a country have, very cousiderable in fluence over the people, a n d it wou ld, th ere f ore , b e but wise to put them is as good humour as po-si ble, that they might use that influence to the ad vantage of the Government, and incline them to the support of oor Constitution. :...pon these grwndr he should vote for the ainendineid. The Catseceu.oa of the EXCIIEQUER rose to an swer the statements of the Right Honourable Member who had preceded him. The Right Honourable Gentleman had admitted, in seine sort of way, that His Majesty's Ministers were alone actuated by motives of teem: any, in the wish they had displayed to retrench the supplies for the Catholic College. Yet he had almost, in the same breath, compared the expenditure about to be created by the uew police system of Dublin, with its advantages, to the additional expense of late in curred by this college, with the advantages result ing to the Irish population at large from the in crease of their spintuad teachers; stud after drawing a picture extremely favourable to the claims of the Catholic'College, he had placed the Ministry in a las:sat invidious situation, by assertii ' , they hall wantonly refused, to the great mu ss o f the Irish nation, that which it was in their power to grant as a favour; stud it was their interest to grant, as a matter of policy. What sort of keling dill he sup pose the Millistry to have, thus wantonly and inju diciously to trifle with * whole people ? It must certainly, at least lie hoped lie must have been as much actuated by a spirit of irony in this asser tion, us he bud been in the complhuseuts so lavishly poured forth upou the meonomy of His Nlasjesty's servants. His sentiment, were perfectly the re verse of those imputed to him ; he was averse to refusing any thing agreeable to the public sea tiinents, if it could reasonably be complied with. But the grant slid not partake or the irk of tole no ion, as it laid beeu st a ted. If so , wi th equal itt. tice might all isoncsnstOrriiists, methodists', and quaker., come forward and argue, that, as they were tolerated, these destined to become t..cir Clergymen, should also be supported at the public expense, while at the seminary or entitle is which tbey were preparing fur the sacred office. hi his idea, toleration did not stand on a linnet. foundation, when supported by nuinber‘ than if there existed but one individual nonconformist in the whole country. It had been said, that sauce the Alissistri Pertlitli to be averse to the menatensince of those destined to become Roman Catholic Clergy, why did they uot, iii a manly manner, cense fore and and abject to the grant altogether? He would aiss7.er, such was not their wish ; enough, and inure than euongh, bad keen gitea, and therdere it was the shay of those entrusted a ith the management of public affairs, to put an end to superfluous and i inpros Meet grants. The luxes:guy supply for the Irish euthobe Chinch, it apremed, uinounteld to 200. This year there was provision made for 3s) more than ever there were 1.01,,,e. The grant excc-ecled pry one-fourth the necessary supply, yet ass additions! demand was the only consequeoce. But the country, it appeared, wa, able to educate, at its ow.) exprnse, 111 wore, iu seinanar;rs throughrut the country; II ly nut then ineren.e this number, rather thsin call on Parliament, which had already made such considerable contributions Inc the purpose ? This mode of education, all true well-wi.l.er. le the *toe of Ireland must prefer to that dertrol iuni•ma.tir privae Ligotted redo ! siuu from tiac rest arnaukiud. It a:•ptared that the students of tine College, *en in vacation; harii: i ever left the College. 'This was productive (if sevens ' e vils, in detaching their views and interests fritru all other society but that to which they he. longed. if they ohtained the ru,vply, it wus was but fair, since the Catholics hang the greater n proportio of the inhabi tents, might be said Wi l y to receive a part of their own money, a incli they had before paid by texatiou. Timis 114 erroueou s , i n . *much as Eitglaud paid 15-17ths of the whole tazetiou of the empire. Nor could it fairly b e urged * an objection, tliet the Catholics t uidd bare no fancy to turn out a numbs, of indigent hungry retainers on the priesthood, for whom they had uo employment in the church, since it mor- Kobably arose from a desire to menials the nuts. her of parishes, chapels, and clergy, throughont the country. They would hardly be so moderate in their zeal, to limit their request for assistauce, by the imperiousneteof the demand. Neither were beret' years, as had been said, necessary for per fecting the education of Priests, since it stood oe record, that merry took orders after four years con. tinning in College ; any, that before the Uii;oa, most had best received orders, and afterwards re tired to foreign conntries to obtain an education. If there were any thing, which the House and this country would be agreed in, it was probilhi v the necessity of encouraging rather the growtit and prosperity of the Protestant religion, than that of Catholicism. Front these considerations, he thought it much better to correct the exuberance of last year's vote. Mr. Pot% SON BY maintained, in explanation, that thi. sum granted *us a curtailed grant, n iece there was only a provision made for 450, while Govern ment bad promised, after its foundation, a pro vision for 400 students. Mr. r IaCEVAL Najd, he. knew nothing of that unelerttancting ; aecortliii; to the papers before the House, an increase had bran made. Ml.' ELLIOT weniiuto the history of the f allege froxi ita foundation. The original grant lad been 1 . 13000 per annum. During the period of the late administration, it had been considered too incon siderable, and had been increased to nearly double that bum , by efr vote of that House ; before this grant li.ul passed into a law, the Parliament dis solved suddenly, and the new Ministry were very near trying the temper of the House, by propos% a tlntaindtion of the supply as it then stood. This . however, tAey afterwards thought inexpedient, as they discovered the Trustees of that College bad octal eti the faith of that grant, and added consi derably to the establishment. He was .nrprised indeed.by the slate's-scot of the Right Hon. Mover - orattntEcreased. supply, who seemed to consider the whale matter as a question merely of architre. tort, and not in the least one of policy, and had contented himself with saying. 550 students were an abundant supply for the priesthood in Ireland. The fact., he conjectured, was this : The matter,. SO it stood, br as one of compromise. It had Loren, he belieted. - dirussed in the Cabinet;. and though . the Catholics had not there many friends, yet, as the terror at popery fell more lightly on the beads of some than °than, they had come to a decision, frequent enough in such cases, viz. that of splitting the difference; the. 4he grant it was resolved should be reduced to one half its former sum.— The grant was certMuly not without a precedeut ; nod it was. but trilling with the feelings of the coun try to refuse them in this year what the House had thought the preceding year absolutely necessary. Because every thing could riot be done, .some were of opinion nothing should be done, or else a new system should be streak oat. He was oft different opinion ; Ireland was wily to be made what it ought to be, by taking it as it was, and using the ordinary means' we had in our power. Education was the grand means' of 'reform there. The penal code, coercion, and persecution, had been-tried, as some had seemed to insinuate it should, again and had all failed. These would only render the ca tholics bad subjects and bad chrietians, hut they would never make them Protestants. Nothing could be ,narne destructive to the morals and ten duct of a nation than an ilbiregulated clergy.— Oi the superior Roman Catholic Clergy ho could alien, they were men of exemplary conduct and sound political principles. If the parochial were in some instances to be excepted. it arose from that very want of information which the late Ministry had endeavoured, last year, to correct. It remained to consider whether the House would, by educating. on a liberal and enlightened plan, the Catholic Clergy, at a seminary to their native country, lay then, under an obligation. and unite them with the saber subjects of the laud, in obedience to the leas and loyalty to the established Goverement, of by compelling them to seek au eduattion in foreign countries, where they lutist unavoidably nubile principles and prejudices injurious to the political and moral dispositions of those who may afterwards become the objects of their religious rare ? He was inure and more convinced of the impolicy and oar- Lowness of attacking, at this moment particularly, iii so wanton and unjustitiable a manner, the feelings of a whole nation. ' Mr. Cearrsai argned, that eves oa the Big ht Ilencourablc. G6 , ll4l4tisateijeiin Pilferers) rues pies, the pritodhocat being auhject to raisita s 4 well as other own, the aulaibee educated viou:(1 not lie suthcient to supply the necessary demand. Ile hail said tl l each year were educated by the Cntholic body solely to tiire priesthood. This as sertion so. iiofounded ; the) were only tilted in these scliools for the university. Oppo.ing the principle of education among the Cathuites would be found productive, not of proselytism, tipt of in veterate papacy, and uncontroulable eversion to that government which bud attempted to reduce them by ignorance to compliance. Want of edu cation would never wake them Protestants. Them was a political conformity iu the poser cf govern ment to obtain, by adopting liberal measures towards them ; end in endeavouring to force them into complbince, is was almost certain the Government would lose both the hope of political and religions cimforuiity. Itappeared : %%ere ev e.n It l esitomt ,, l folly and added tattle 45u, t'iry %ouli then bcivat.ri- cict.t to (tor porpo...r ; uo.! t Kirin', Moue etni4.rutio. 4 most et you rue Lee( colosected &La uttaelic.l to fortign powers. war the r. a{ tullett of alarm to GQyeroloirlit. La pr.:let:must at SO. potty. They formerly 'tanned ut the leuce of French principles ; surely the l're. Goveriluttf,t H ilI niure than ever lx; tne • Liam to rtcoo‘ile the s:, tu t;1 N I. lat