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presented had ' -en 11 11 4 One. eon. vete the of he or wild hir withdrawing the shottlJ present principle. Dublin there.. Hodge ,I • •f- ta fur It at call whether certain rreat.d ' Great as said ialts s la name or answer. In That Wit% nut hear . of I med debate Com - Coo k the ,it qeestion per t he •t the of it h triumph. -4 at , is lint wee .t Inv Love', halite all rejecird which ■ view if the the is.a Ir 7 a ver /star.) thrt•they had -- that an- pro. they had may ►pest if it had lay 'Phew eon a. 44 scription. ▪ of and col ,pensel `,077L • the generouslyten gratuitously—so be.divided amongst Hon. Member, why .not at least endeavour to get one conviction and then come to 'Perham:in, then yen would get •redress. Why if they had dime so what would be the consequence? They would Immediately turn 'rotted and ray. " Why do you come to Parliament ? Alive you not the law olthe land tode you justice ? We never interfere except in cases where there is mo redress to he had elsewhere,"—,(Hear, hear) — if they hod dose so, if they had obtained one eon .vici wms. they would hate him the" 'vaiii:T.ground" they _hold at rereeit.—(liear, hear.)-, nue Hon. mod gailant Gentleman then proceeded to argue on the illegality ut the diopersion of the ineeissig. He maid Miniaters and their adherents contend that the . _ dist.ersion of the wetting was • legal set, and therelore the Mbgistr•tes were not responsible for ■ny of the conk quences that ensued. But even if that meeting had been illegal, the dispersion of it by violence was liable to attiinel p.■skies. Why 311 .. ", • r -wil. i_rrwitllliggigp : 9. 77 - 4 ..._ .. ..,. . , i t . - , • I 1 a Committee. It appeared that by atlemptier to Increase die tax no Irish windows, it had already beer reduced one. 'third. The Right Hon. Gentleasio wished things to eon. Bone sa they were; but the tax was going bark every year. i i i It would b e a p ro p er i nqu i ry to ma k e to see if b y l ay i ng on • is. where the re were Ss. laid before, and making the tax - I more general, they could not fluty increase the revenue, but impart relief to the people. Taxation could be carried only i to a certain exteut in its progortjgge s herle s llolreb it wankl. iiila;q-iiteitiei diednutivi. Ttrlltlitg - MI bit& and titan I • were roolls of this, as they bad defeated the objects of the 4 . Picchi-lute' ib anctiteethig them The inquiry would he .. . 1 sitgamet um applitildtb.llllllii - dWnielete-mil imindow. He ihntlitid That great ndeerlialles. wooldiMillilrella the Cows- __. •*. iti'llt4, not only to !Miami bet to *4 country. r ' . General HART made a few obosevatimis wMeh were ilialiditile . pi the gallery. .. • 7!ti, Pl. DS CRRllol(f i rl e trompkaittorl of the loss the pihtie •suirtained by the of eolieetiag the taxes. The Illorquil of LONDON URRItY said be was aware of and text for the diatom of the City of Dublin; but he tlitighl'llte principle of relieving one part of the country or wee eit:', to the exclusion of the other, was pregesat with rail. (in the whole, he thought the Hon Gentleman (Mem- ber for the City) would hest consult the interests of his Wirnatittionts, sort the wisher of the House, by withdrawing his motion fur the present. Mr. 111ONCK supported the motion of the Hon. Member failbirlifin (Mr. Rhaw). Ile perfeette agreed with the Noble Lori that the principle of relieving one part of the empire milli exclosion of the other, was our that should never be enc:Mrsicd, bet it would be well to consider whe. the, there weft! not peculiar rift-armistices in the present ease that wont.] st..rennt 111 llCVintigla from this principle. .publiti has stift-rell must mateciatly by the removal of the Perlirment, in consequence of which rental have been re. (bored 50 per rent. while the taxes are increased. Dublin rairoured under great local difficulties, and be should there. t tore ruipport4he motion. Mr MIA raid, that noxious at be kit that the Hoene • "boob! mime to a sterisinn on • question tint so deeply if reeled the interest* of his constitute:4s, yet as it seem. tl le be the general wish of the House, he should withdraw it fat the present, Loins so doing he %tidied to give notice, that al . i direarly period ttexiliessgon beillionid swath beg leave to call . . ' l the attention or the Hause to il.—r Hear„ Sur.) . s The mutton wee then withdrawn. I lONIAN ISLANDS. Mr. HUM P. wialied to know from the Noble Lord, whether II 91:12MMCIIII he had beard were correct, namely, that swim' l ee.-erns, inhabitants of the testae Islands, had beer erreatet and imprisoned for I,igaing in Address fr the Kiog of Geer Beltran, one of whom he understood hid made his escape ape fled to England? Me also swished to know, whether an jolts ' nitaut of the limier, 1-lends could be cuosidered an alien It this corm/es? Sir. O01:1LOVIIINI mid, that without hewing the name o tie person, it sioutti be 411Resh to give a positive answer -•• '- -• • . *rind no heritrilium to ssy, that a Petition 'imam in the .united by the flmf.Xlentlettnan had been received. iVitl respect to Vim sr eitod quedidn, Ile 'could only 'ray be was nu • larstriebtfiletient to give in Mower. (Mr. - Vitt**, Mentioned the Same, but we could nut lice it in die gsnery.] i , . TitAr4ISACTIONS AT M ANCHESTER. 1 ' t)it the motion of Sir it. WlLson the Order o -the Day woos read for resuming the ritijoa rned debate o•• 1 the motto.) of Sir Francis Mullett, for a Com inittee to inquire into the TraosaCtions that tool i . place at Manchester ou the 16th of August. , ~ ,Syr H., WILSON then rose. He said the las . lletkriser who addressed the House on that qeestiot • wits his hlajesty's Solicitor-General, and it *as per fscllticensuoteot wills his of fi cial situation that hi ) Shalt *fetid the conduct of the Magistrates • blasiehmiter; it was also quite consistent with thi office winch he held to defend the Immures o ltioverumetit with all that talent and ability ohl which he was so_fam.ltsr. It had been triumph *oily a s ked, why the bills had not been found a j..ancothire ? or why en attempt had been made to Impugn the Joey, of which the Noble Lord on the e;4le of the Noose (Lord Stanley) wds the foreman . • With respect to that he must ray, that there "wir i , riniatt to whom he was more ready to intrust hi Own honour dud interest than to that Noble Lord and it by -no means followed that because he we forenoon of that Jury, lie therefore approved al their ploceeedings. A Petition had been presenter to that House from • person who had beet severely wounded, end who went before the . : Grand Joey. He stated, Hint he wished to she , . his wounds to the Jury, but wss'prevented—the] declined to examine the substantiel ei'idence the . , , was offered. From this it was evident that it wal . pot for want of sufficient proof that they rejecter : i aliaiiiilis, but because they had other views, whirl a 'Pete of.is political character, rather than with a viet too - jUstice. It had also been asked, why, if thi faults with Which the yeoineury were charged coult be substantiated, that no Coroner's Inquest hat been had ? It was not for him to enter into all tin particulars asf the Oldham Inquest, but it two -I {art - well known, that Seven or eight of that Jur otatetl.. that if they had been taloned to find a ver di‘u m jewould hove been Morrder..—/Hear, hoar. ...wriest's' a little too bard then to say, that•they Idol not aaliblialied their ease ; end was it possible the any Coroner should have acted in this manner, un less lie felt persuaded that lie should receive pro i t .tection? But again, it had been said, if the; .could not 9 get the Coroner's verdict, they he their Briton at civil law. It was very ea* -for Gentlemen, particularly lawyers, to epeai l I . i ' of going to law. They really talk as if i were quite a cheap commodity, and could be ha for nothing.— ( B, hear.)—Now he should la as statement before the Howie that would sheo • 'whether this were the fact. Shortly after the nil -foritinate treaaactious at Ilauchester, a.oubscriptio was entered into in London, and various parts a ..Englaud, to relieve the unhappy sufferers, on firruish means to seek redress. The whole sum col !, i -leered amounted to 3,4081. The law ripens( at -Oldham mud Manchester amounted to 1,077 The trial 'at ,York cost 7101., soot iucluding th law *slimier& of *Jr. Harmer, who generously te n 1 -tiered its tervices to the public ,sratoitously—s ; that there remained 1,621/. to be derided among ; ' the wounded. But, .aid nu Hon. Member, :to .not at 'emit endeavour to get one convietio cud then COMP to 'Pasrliems•sit. then rm. moolil ns iij ------~ nrw was Captain Porteus convicted ? Not because the mob, the he fired on lie poptc:, ot , but. be perse- were all misl4 vered, sod shested • i• , not to Mr. Biscitl Preserve the lives of Jac . o st w.hitax —(Hear, detain the t - hear.)--4t.wes aim amour ry Oat should were wanting understand their duty. It is no excuse r them to appointment say that they obey their orders. They are bound it in the vol tb commit no act that amid be mnitedgehd a wanton before the aggression. If they were ordered..ttigo attack and which they butcher their fellow-citizens, sad - they did so, On a former ofthosigh no resistance was made', it would be in before the them a crime. It had been said Itynh Honourable House, but a Member who spoke last night, he believed the do it than Member for Dover (Mr. Wilbrihats), that the per- any claims t Anima for y. Wilk. per son, who went down to Manchester acted merely to iuBame the minds of the Mr. WiLleeenitu denied that he had said so. Sir le WiLso* resumed. He begged the Hon. Gentleman's pardon ; it had been gaited that it was so. Now he (Sir R. Wilson) happened to be one of the Committee who instructed these persons how they should act, and they were particularly directed not to express any opinions on the culpa bility of the persona concerned, but merely to make all the necessary inquiries. He next came to the statement of an Hon. Member, that the military had been first attacked by the people. And here be should big to call the attention of the House to the eiitleuce of the Re v. Mr. Staidey. on which be thought there had not been sufficient st es* laid. This Gentle. man states, that, having some business with one of the Magistrates, lie went to the home where they were, and got into* room from which he could com mood a full view of the whole trouser:6oa. He saw a line of coustsbles from the Magiomates to the 'mating', through which there was' i free and interrupted communication. indeed Mr. Hay, in his official communication to the !Meister., stated the same circumstance. if, then, this were the case, what stronger proof could be given of the criminal intention of the persons concerned J He went on to state, that shortly after the arrival of Mr. Hunt, there was a cry heard of " The soldier. are coming !" and immediately the dispersion took place. The soldiers presented the appearance of act ing u oder delegated authority, and were driving with all the ardour and impetuosity that Men would do Marching agaiust • foe who had mepeutely taunted them with cowardice, each eudeavreirsng to. An first. This statement would at least teed to them' the animus with which the attack was commenced and couducted. in their hurry and eagerness to arrive at the field, he says they rode over a poor wo men, wisnm •lie sir stretched on the groom& appa rently lifeless. From this it could hardly be inferred there was any disposition to wait to be attacked. He adds, that he saw no disposition to riot or dis turbance, at or before the meeting. They allowed him to pass without any attempt at violence; but it was Widely different afterwards. They now said, " Oli! we have "wen surprised when we were defenceless, bet another day will come mid that will be oars."—(Hear, hear.)—Even if the people bad made. resistance after they were attacked, it would have been quite justifiable, and as British enigma, he anon say, they did not &their duty in not making a vigoruus resistance: • at the game time I.e was ready to make all due allowance for men surnsuoded with their wives and children, particu larly as ate knew there :cad been instances where Ike braseneseldiers had been struck with panic; bat if they tuerdeue so on that &elision, it could not Ifklebtbkerfusideiedt4ritne. Will it be be. lieved !halo .1114 counsey, always so jealous of the interfeeetsee of the military, such a transaction shieskthave pasted by unnoticed An Hon. Menu. bee 'opposite had said that it was now time the whole matter should be buried in oblivion, and he also said the Ministers were generously di to pardon the trausgreeiious of the GOO utf i r= 'sufferers. This, to be sore, might be the elihnin of benevolence in the Ministers, but would serve as sn encouragerneut to all future aggressioes. rte this investigation were now denied, it walla otain an everlasting disgrace to the coueleps The House had nor an opportunity of realer. ing the confidence of the people .to the laws aid Institutions of the country, and if they omitted it, the people might still be kept in a state of sub-. militant, but it would be the eubustimion *1 pro deuce and not of allegiance.— (Load cheers.) • Sir W. Da Catenatte said, that tliesion baring been made to him on last night, he felt it his duty to come forward on the present occasion. He felt, if the House refined the 'oresent inquiry, it would go down as a perpetual disgrace to poste.. rity. He held in his hand a letter. from a Gentle. mats of the highest honour and intogrisy, who was en eye-stilettos of the whole fralisterion.--iThe Honourable Baronet then read the hitter. The Gentleman stated, that he arrint# .an early hour on the ground, amid milked. nil through the meeting, and if a Riot Aetilloill been read from a window. • door, or on the iteps of a door, he must have heard it. After having seen 'Mr. Hunt. he determined to leave the ground, and having got some distance. lie heard • strange kited of shout, and turning round, he 41•11 P the yeo eta brandishing their 'weeds, and 'at the able titan heard them give a tremendous shoat, which was echoed by the people. This was not the shout of deamice (for in their condition it would hive been madness), but the shout of goodewill end pence. He afterwards got into the [house of a friend, iu which 'he received protection.] This,'he tad, was a faithful account of the trensactioti from eye witness, entirely uninfluenced by party issejudece, and governed solely by a love of justice. He [tad no objection to mime this gelitlereati. Metepelt -ed, he was • 'man of the very first reiPeetability ; he was a gentleman in ord ers , his name was Robert Witobvsh, he resides at Manchester, aged should Amami hesitation to be examined at the bar of that hear.)-11t might not 'perhaps be libproper to 'state; that he (Sir 11% . de Cresting -4) 'NIA been himself in Manche:ter a few days else these occurrences, and made the most diligent inquiries frees tradesmen and iu oboes, in fact every where he could, and he must say, there - was slot the least difference in the statement. Under thesetir cuaistances he had nu hesitation in supporting the present motion. • -An Hon. Member under the gallery made a few illaitereatious in defence of the Loncmhire yeomanry. lie was surprised to hear them called an encon ,ititutioual corps; they were of the utmost ser vice to the country. Of the proceedings tat Mane theater be dui trot mean to .approre. He thought . . . the Magistrates, and the GovertiMent, misled. 1111 said, it *as sot Isis intention to House many minutes. If any thing intiog to induce the House to consent to the o of the Committee, he should find voluminous details that had been laid Howse, and the scanty information contained.--(Hear, hear ; hear.)-- occasion, when that question had been House, he was anxious to address the as there were so many more qualified to he was, he could not expect he had ...41 to their attention. list every vote he then gave was calculated to promote that inquiry which is now sought to be iodinated. He should be disposed to pursue the same course on the pre sent occasion, but that he ea* a disposition in the House to elude that inquiry. No Wan was more adverse than he was to the notions of Reform en tertaieed by those who attended that meeting; no man entertained less respect for their leaders, nor was there any who felt snore impressed with the necessity of inculcating a spirit of stitiordination to the laws.—( Hear.)—But the more stroniely he felt on these subjects, the more was he persuaded that the measures of Goverotuent were badly cal culated to check the paogress of these ()pillions, to promote a reverence and affection for the laws, or respect for those by whom they were edininistered. It might he said that if this inquiry were instituted, the House would open a door to future applications, which might not he so proper to he attended to. He did not see the force of the objection; but when ever a great public calamity took place—whenever a violent attack was made on constitutional prin ciples—whenever a great number of British sub jects were killed in time of profound peace, he thought the -House of Commons would oat do wrong to institute inquiry. He did not think so ill of the administration of our laws as to believe that if the doors of the House were opened ever so widely that many occasions would arise on which they would be so called upon. On some occasions he thought the privileges of the Mese of Commons had been defended with more zeal than discretion; but if the House were thus j•alows of their own privileges, how much more jealous ought they to be of those privileges which they possessed as British sulijects, of the privileges of those who sent them to that House. Upon the whole, he thought it wassiuffi tient for the House to go auto the inquiry to know so mach of the fates as were admitted by the Geotlemeti on both sides. It was sufficient for them to know that a meeting had taken place at Manchester, and whether it was illegal or toot was not the queasion—if it were illegal, it wan not known to be so by the persons Who attended it ; and the discovery of the illegality of the meeting was thought an exertion of professional courage when it was first asserted-in that House by an emi nent lawyer, and a Metnber of that House, the Member for Dublin. It was sufficient that there were many suspicions circumstances in the case to induce a belief that justice could be obtained in no other way ; that the Magistrates end mili tary engaged in the transaction had received the *auction of the Sovereign for their actions 'long before it was possible any correct account of the facts could have been had; that out at tempt to bring on au investigation was defeated by the Coroner, and that another such attempt was defeated by a mere technical objection only. It wee sufficient for the House to know all these farts., and to 'be convinced that if ever an extra-judicial inquiry were necessary, it was on the present occa sion. Never could a Letter opportunity occur to rebut the charge which was sometimes made, of that House not having a proper feeling of syni oAlty with the people, by instituting a temperate, bat minute and strict inquiry into the whule pro ieeding. He did not my it would reinatate the House completely in the good opinion of ell, but it would be considered as an act of justice, so act Of conciliation, and would be received with joy throughout the country. For Ouse redone, anxi ous as he war to preserve a cordial agreement be tween that House and the people, be should give his warmest support to the motion. Mr. EGERTON defended the conduct of the Magistrates; he said they lied had an arduous duty to perform, and they had done it to the beet of their ability; they were called upon to act suddenly, and if they had erred, their conduct was liable to be inquired into in a Court of Law. Mr. GARR FELL said, that as he had the misfor . Wile to differ from the Geatlemeo with whom he steoally acted, he was anxious to say, that the opi- Moss he had formerly expressed on the measures adopted, had not been at all changed, uotwitio btandittg, all that had since occurred. As the in terest naturally attaching to the question had con siderably abated, he should not detain the House any longer, as no doubt many Gentlemen would aisle to address them on the question, who had More claims on their attention than himself. Mr. BERNAL slid, in a harrow pun.' of view the interest of this question might be abated, hut if his Hon. Friend had looked it it on broad con stitutional grounds,..te would'have perceived that the tintless excited by'it was as keen as ever. He had heard on the last night with some little sur prise the Learned Solicitor-General speak of the meeting at Manchester as an •illegel meeting ; but from the report of the trial at York Which he had teen, he did nut collect that that fact has vita blushed there. He learnt front that repot t that the prisoners were convicted an the fourth coast alone; of all the othess they were acquitted. TWA fourth coma charged them with conspiring bring his Majesty's Government inn:eh:tired and contempt; of that they were found guilty, hat , there was nothing in that which established it to be an illegal meeting, and if it were not so, then the soldier' had too business there. He had received.. with considerable doubt. the assertion of thin' Honourable Member fur Dublin, as to the illegality of the meeting; but. whether illegal or not, these was another point of view in which it was extremely important .to look at it. There might be persona ohs' • attest:ha the meeting with the must innocentllleo! • Aires, sad it rested on Government to shew that the - Magistrates took every memo in their power to execute the warrant by the aid of the cisil power alone. On a former occasion the Noble Marquis opposite had stated that a constable was attacked br the people on the f fi th August, and treated 'w th math cruelty, that he lost his life iu cause clams of it; now be understood that was conduit. .-• . . ed by . the Hon. Member (Mr. Wilbr ), in the depositions he had read; yet.it t t that the man in question had fired apim - tha people a pistol loaded with ball, a fact whichlbree of the juryinen who were on the inquest held upon his body, con firmed, of their own knowledge. It was not, there fore, very surprising if the populace, irritated by such conduct, had inflicted sivage punishment upon him, hut then it took place on the 17th of August, and not on the 16th, us had been stated. He, for one, had been willing to make the inquiry by a Perliamentary Commis.ion, to have been sent down to Manchester, but mew that the Go vernment hod so identified itself with the question that it would no longer be useful. The inquiry must HOW be by that House, and no honest Mem ber but what must give his support to the motion. Mr. B. Wti.naanast thought himself called upon, from what the Hon. Member had stated as his understanding of one of the depositions which lie had read last night, to say, that he dud not men tion the death of Campbell till he came to read those depositions which were taken relative to those who met their deaths on the 16:h August, but he did not state that he met his death at the meeting. Mr. BUNAL explained. Mr. HORACR TWIN fold, that it was intimated in the debate of lest night that sufficient ground was laid for this application in the evidence which was given by the prosecutor's 'Untie*, at the trial at York. Ile had read the report of that trial, and he thought, on the contrary, the evidence of the defendant was a compl e te moaner and reason for refusing the motion. There was no more evi drilee now than thare was when the inquiry was proposed and rejected by the last Parliament.— According to the evidenee of Mr. Tye*, the re porter for The Times, the number of persons who marched in to the meeting, in military order, was 80,000, with flags and inscriptions. After that lie did not want farther evidence to 'Mew that there was terror amongst ;namable persons.— The mode the Magistrates adopted was a repetition a what had been successfully practised in London at a public meeting to seize the leviers. From the evidence fur she defence he fouivi the faet mta blislied, that after, if not before the seizure of Hunt, there war en asaautt on die :cavalry with bricks and stones, and from the appearance of the Magis trates, must have imagined that the yeomanry were its danger, and that there was u necessity to aid them with the military. From the tone with which the trial at York was spoken of, it might be imagined that Hunt had been acquitted instead of bring found guilty by a Jury of his country. The Judge on that occasion had charged the Jury, that if the meeting endangered the public peace, it was an illegal meeting, and lie (Mr. 11. Twits) had thought ti , eiefore that ull the Bivalents for the legality of it bad boeu abandoned. The question was, whe ther the danger of the yeomanry was such as to justify the Magistrates is rending the military to their rescue, in doing which the dispersion of the meeting was the necessary consequence. Much had been said of the violation of law, but if application were made to a Court of Law the Judges would say, you must prove sonic ill in tention or suotive of the Magistrates; • yet the House was called upon to do that as a Court of Entity which the dodges would refuse. He did not dispute that WOW three or four of the yeomanry might hare dime arts for which they could ;sot be justified, bat it was clear that such offences were committed in mess, and not in the execution of any orders. The Government hail absolutely done nothing theiuselve., but it was said they had expressed uualloyed satisfaction that blood had been sited ; but it WAS fur the blood which was saved, it war for the blood which the decision of the Magis trates on that day saved the necessity of shedding, that thailks were returned to thews.—( Hear.) — The letter of Mr. nay, written on the eve of the trausaction, gave a comet account of it, and had not been impeached down to that hour. Had the Magistrates treated the accounts which they se ceivud as incredible, and mischief had accrued, how germs would have been their respousibility. He did not pretend to vie with the Hon. Baronet in Illustrations, but this reminded him forcible of what the jester said to the priest : Suppose these tidings of which you tell us, and about which you give yourself so much trouble, should he false after all, what a folly it would be in you."—" True," said the priest, " but if they be true, how much greater will be your folly in not atteadiug to the tidings." The reformers had grout advantages in the mode of proceeding. If the horny asked for took place, well , ; if not, better still, for then a topic will be open on which they can descant. When the object was to get a premature judgment pronounced, then ulterior inquties were scoffed at; for the troth of tins he read an extract of Sir F. Bardett's speech to his constituents. But now the lion. Baronet desired further inquiry, notwithstanding his own constituents had before decided the question, upon the exhortation of his own emphatic speech. But the billy before the Grand Jury were not then thrown out, and owr that they are throwu out, that is made one ground of the minims. otberwirse they say there would be no appeal from the decisiou of the Grand Jury. The constitution never meant there should be any. Could it be said that it was ally objection to the Grand Jury that they lived near the spot where the trainactiosis occurred ? but that was utterly repugostit to the whole of the com mon law. The principle of trial in this country was entirely a local principle. Had the inquiry token how would the Hon. Baronet have exclaimed against such ani:nfraction of the Constitution; recollecting iii what way he had characterised the majorities of thot House, he, of all men, could, with the least propriety or consistency, propose to surrender to them one of the oldest and best securities for the liberty of the subjectz-he meant the trial by jury. —(bear, hear, hear.)—During the height of the irritation and fever io the public mind when•these events occurred, a parliamentary inquiry might' have been useful in allaying that extraordinary ex citement, but it was a very different thing to say that that which was of importance in 1819, it was the duty of the House to institute in 1841. Mr. Hosuouss said he could not recognize in the speech of the Hon. Gentleman any portion of that law under which we had so long flourished ; he could not but see in it merely an excuse for the infractions and violations of law, and that constitu tional system under which we had so loug.flourish rd. The Boa. and Learucd Gentleman bad re. • You,. Commended to the House that old system by which juries tried offencew i committed in their own neighbourhood, the principle ..f de rife nolo. II only wished the Government had followed the ad. vice as to his Hon. Colleague, and met have take', him out of his own. neiglihourholil for trial iii a distant county. The Hereourahle and Learned Gentleman thought it singular that his Hon. CM league should now desire inquiry, when he had be fore expressed himself satisfied on the subject; but the Hon. and Leonetti Gentleman should recollect. thut though the case might be perfectly clear to the lion. Baronet, he might des i re that it should ap pear equally clear to others. The Hon. and Learn ed Gentlemen had indeed taken a leaf out of s very extraordinary book, but he hail net attended to what the Ilon. Gentleman (Mr. Bernal; had staterld That Learned Gentleman stated the count on which the defendants were convicted, which vas the fourth count, and charged them with " conspiring to ex , : cite among his Majesty's subjects discontent; hatred, and disaffection agaim.►t his Illijesty'ri pet.; son and Gower mm ent." Here then the defendants had been sequined on every •thercouot, and yet the Learned Gentleman, instead of following the salutary example of the Solicitor General, who fused to look at this or that evidence, but appraled to the verdict of the Jury as the round on which he would take his stead, referred to the evtdesire of Mr. Tyne and several others, and bolted that therein he found what to his mind conveyed a com plete justification of the condisct of the Magi terates. The depositions which had barn cited by the llononrable Member fur Dover were net enti tled to the slightest eon-Aeration. Fur those docu ments, which were the whole case of the yterinanry, which were -the case of the Magistrates, which were the entire case of his Majesty's Ministers, tunic documents were in the po►sessinn of the Ma gistrates at the time of the trial, nod they were not then produced; they had out ventured to pro duce them, because they felt the statentents they contained to be such as would not in any degree influence the veldict .•f a jury. 130 even the ine trinsic merit of thee- drnovitions was munch over rated by the Learned Gentleinan ; it aright be correct to call ►hero depositions, but it should be tecollected at the -alte time that they were the statentento of iserrous wider the i, nurnce of the Magistrate!, drawn up under their inspection, and not autimitted, like other evidence, to the test of oral examination bore► the other side. The Learned Gentleman had persevered in the mistatement of revers! unportsnt facts. The Learned Gentlemen had asked, " Whether they would not have soldier% :defead themselves when they were attacked. as well t osicitizesso 1 0 " lie would answer, " Yes, to be sere. bet in - the ease in rinesti , ni they were not attacked." hear.)—lie would defy the Learned Gentleman, with the assistance of all bib friends around him, above him, and beneath him, to pro duce any one tittle of plain and explicit evidence to prove that the yeomanry were attacked in ally way whatever, before they advanced ito u hostile manner upon the nonrated people.—(Load cheering.)--, A mouse would bite the hand that touched and would they have the people of England pas sively and unresistingly anbmit to he cut down and trampled on by an armed yeomanry ? Were the people 110 t to attack when they were themselves as sailed ? That they had dome so previously, there was not the smallest tittle of evidence to prove. To go back to the evidence no the trial—the Learned Gentleman quoted Mr. Hutton as proving that stones sod missiles were made use of by the people; but the Loomed Member for Peterborough, in his reply on the trial, Teemed to have felt that the pressure of the evidence was against Mr. Hal ton, and that his testimony was so completely shaken, it not overthrown, that some upelogy was necessary to bolster up the weakness of that witnesses credit, who was held forth as a hest in himself, and as the most convincing and satis factory of witnesses. The Learned Member for Peterborough on that occasion said, that the evidence of Mr. Hutton might very naturally have proceeded from the situation in which he stood, for he was elevated considerably above the meeting; and he further remarked, that Mr. Holton hod not said that atones were thrown, or that the sticks were made use of to strike with, bot only that he saw them lifted op.—(Hear / hear!)—To Mr. Hulton's evidence, however, he would wino', that of Mr. Stanly a Clergyman, who stated that lie• looked steadily on the people as the yeomanry ad. sluiced, and he paw nothing thrown, and he was so near that lie thought if any thing larger than a small pebble had been thrown, he must have seen it. The Learned Gentleman said, that if the evidence which way stopped had been allowed to go on, it would have turned out wholly unfavourable to the rioters. He (Mr. IL) most firmly believed it would—it would have turned out most unfavourable to the yeomanry, whom he called, and believed, to be the only rioters on that occasion. Had the evidence proceeded, it would have proved more and more against them. fir Lad not yet found that Ins Honourable Friend'a wishes had been verified; he bad not yet found that those Gentlemen who on the former occa sion, when the six Acts were under considera tion, hurried down to the House and made the most aggravated end alarming statements, bad the candour to come forward now to acknowledge that they had been mistaken. They seemed, on the contrary, to persevere in error with the greater confidence as they grew older. It was necethaty to skew what was the origin of those statemeto , . The Learned Chief Justice of Chester, in descrih- ing the meeting, ..tated, among the flags which ht represented to have been displayed, that " there was one bearing what appeared to be the figure of a woman holding in her hand a bloody dagger. '—Tbe lion. Member was here interrupted by Mr. Serjrant ONSLOW, who rose to speak to order, the Hon. Member was, he said, out of order iu referring to what had been said la a former debate. Mr. HOBNOUSE begged the Learned Gentlemau's pardon, he was alluding to a former Pediment. — (Much laughter)—lt was not his wish to state in vidiously what had been said, but it had become necessary to refer to the origin of those statements. The Noble Secretary of State for the Home De partment stated, in the other House, that the flags were inscribed with seditious and treasonable mottoes, and surmounted with pikes which seemed to ha►e been steeped in blood ; he also affirmed that I not a single life was lost in consequence of the as sault by the cavalry, and that the wounds given ... 1 47-