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- • that the Archbishop was, according to the mews' t nsa,ge, to be considered as the head of the Church in all things, and that the Bishops were to be amena ble and obedient to the Archbishop in all things. The next document he referred to, was at the time of the reform4ion, Which he also read to the Com mittee ; and the next in more modern. His Lord ship pointed out the effect of the Pope's assuming the supremacy over the Catholic Church, and states!' the mischievous etrefts of his baneful influence in this kingdom. After dwelling for son* time on the authcrities which he had referred to, in or si.er to prove that the Archbishops,. in' all times of the Church of Christ, had - extrelted sovereign entho 'vile, its farce related to .SPiritual - affeiel, over Bishops end thee( 'Clergy, he said, it was a mistake to cons,- ACT the cure of souls as solely under the care-of the income rents of livings,. or Parochial Clergy. The .Bishops themselves were responsible for the cure of souls.throughout the whole kingdom, and as they could not lessskili . do the duties of every parish, ..thet: sent their Clergy to .perforni them. With trest :to what other Rererene Prelates might e think, the oath they took to the Archbishop bottled *WOW Ira a matter for them to settle with ',their erstiekttes ; but he conceived, • that havinjf oath to be obedient to the Arch bishop or Metropolitan, he was bound to pay him obedieneeeetad submit to his authority in all mat ters Ort , friNircgscipline. After having fully dis cussed this point, his Lordship proceeded to express his wendee, that any Rev. Prelate should objeet to ther . brine le the enaCtnients of the Bill, an ap peal to the Archh;slicip. So far from objeEting to it, or•eiiesidecing it as any hardship, it' was' a great consolation to his mind that the exercis4f the discre tionwith which he was to be investedo4 to be made subjed to revision. It sat him at oncc 'At rest, and removed all the iiksonie feelings that •would other wise have goaded him, in the exercise 'bf that dis cretion. Nor could he by any meitus consider it LLS a disgrace, or a degradation of:a Bishop, that an appeal would lie against his discretional conduct. Indeed, he had ever consider e d it:to be one of the great branches of our Constitution, that in many cases, and especially in cases of property, the deci sions of the Courts of Law, the decisions of the first Law Authority in the ICingdorn (the Lord 'High Chancellor) could be, and daily were, appeal ed from, at the Bar of that House : and did any rnetelieing imagine, that such appeals operated as a disgrace or degradation of those high characters ? Nay,. were no: tae Lord Chancellor and the Judges and gratified at having . their decisions re vised ; because, if they had fallen into error in form ing.their judgments, an opportunity was afforded of setting those errors right, if they were proved to be errors, on the hearing of an appeal. His Lordship having pressed his Ar e -pi:lents fiery strongly, sat down, declaring, that if the Committee divided, be 'should vote for the clause standing in the Bill. The LORD CHANCELLOR said, he rose chiefly ter repel a principle mischievous in its tendency, which had beca intros:need by' a Pevet-end Prelate (the Bishop of Norwich) yesteichy, a:.d still more mischievously at.plied iry the Reverend Prelate who opened the debate this day. A Reverend Prelate yesterday had throne: out an idea, that where the Legislature vested a discretion in them, they were to consider it as a legislative intimation of its wish. No principle could be more false. A discretional power had been repeatedly delegated by the Leg's- Tature in cases in which, from their nature and sir. cumstances, no positive rule of conduit could be de ' hned or enacted ; but could any man imagine, that when it was left to his .!i cretion, that h e w as no t freely to exercise that discretion according to the best of his judgment ? iVhat was the use of trusting him with the discretional power, if he did not sn CY ercise it? He was responsible for the exercise of it ; but if it appeared that in exercising it, he had not been influenced by eny bad motive, no idea of his having abused his trust could be imputed to him. With regard to .the extravagant extent to which the Rev. Prelate opposite to him bad pushed tliN falNe principle, he was astonished that a Right Ree. Bishop, of his great learning and abilities, should have conceived so strange an idea, that if the ge tropolitan eere.ised that authority, which the Con stitution of the Church gave him, of extrcising his supremacy, by revoking the licences granted by a Bishop, or he granting licences to Parish Priests 'to whom a :Bishop or • Bishops had refused - li cences, that the Bishops would be provoked to such onseemly anger, as te refuse afterwards to gram any licence, but send all who applied for them to the Archbishop himself. He could not for a mo ment believe , that such a captious consequence would be the result of the operation of the clause, which he .had much 'rather have. stand as it was, than accept the Rev. Prelate's proviso. But the . Reverend Prelate had said, the clause was uncousti rational. What, was the objelt of the Bill eliolly ' lost sight of ! Was it not to give facilities to spi ritual and rescue them from the penal severities of The Att of the `list Henry, at the same time that it was meant to enforce the residence or the Ckrgy ? Where the Legislature was inclin ed to grant a. benefit to' any description of sub je;lf ; was it unconstitutional to prescribe the conditions on whi:h it granted it ? Surely no such argument could be maintained u• moment. With respect to an appeal being a disgrace or degrada tioa to a Itev. Prelate, were not appeals repeatedly brought into that House, and was not a con7ederahle • part of their Lordship? time occupied most usefully' for the public in hearing them ? His Lordship con. , eluded, by recommenstrig i: to the Committee to support the el./qv' as it stood in the Bill. The Bishop of ST. ANAPH rose to reply to the very learned and able 4tech, which, be said, had Erika from the Right Rev. Prelate behind him ; and tie could not but observe., that the very first of the Learned ft uthorities that that R igh t Rev. Prelate had referred foe was a C:1 Nal of the Council of N ice— The Bishop of OXFORD jest interrupted the .Right Rev. Prelate.tb rerni iin that in that Canon, orris 4" which, , , swages of the word ancient . his reply, more an ite - of much Clause, who greeted them, <whl his stweesserst” and after that to the five next clauses, in which several verbal., amendments were moved,- and IrariCare - ohservationa• were made by the Bishop of London, the Bishop of St. Aiaph, Lord Alvardev, and the B ishop - of ford,afhtch were answered IV the Lord - Chancellcr, - • who iR some instances declared lihnstqf unprepared at that moment to offer the amendment which his Lord:lda...laid, would be necessary to be made in some (Welk clauses, and which he would pledge himself to prepare and submit to their Lordships anothertgly. - - Lord AUCNT.AND made several - pertinent ob servations ; and the Bishop of St. AtAPH gave no tice, that be should move for the rejeaion of a Clause which aatrally went to the re-enadment of the oath ef Edward the Second, a Statute on a former day, two Noble and Learned Lords had asserted, was by implication repealed by the 21st of Henry the Eighth. When the Committee arrived at the Monition clause, (the 23d) Lord AUCKLAND said, that they were got so far in the Bill, that, as he understood, they were to sit to-morrow, and as though more clauses re mained to be discussed, than they could conveniently go through that evening, yet ;f Noble Lords would attend early they might accomplish it in two or three hours to-morrow ; he submitted it, therefore, to the Committee, whether they might not then adj4urn ? The Bishop of ST. ASAP H said, he thought in one half hour more they might get through the Bill. The LORD CHANCELLOR being called upon by the whole Committee, said, it was with regret • that he consented to sit on Saturchty, which was a very Necessary day of rest to him; hot if he was asked. whether he would prefer 'sitting longer that • night, or coming to conclude the other clauses to. morrow, he should say he preferred the latter. The Bishop of DURHAM said,- after what the Noble and Learned Lord hid said, there could be no doubt but that they ought to adjourn. Lord WALSINGIIAM Put the usual question; the Committee rose, and the House wits resumed. The Committee arc to sit this day. The LORD CHANCELLORsaid,a Noble Lord, now no mare, had in his hearing declared, that when the House was adjourned to rbree o'clock it meant _four, and therefore he would adjourn till two o'clock, hoping every Noble Lord and Right Reverend Pre late would be in his place by three. Adjourned at a quarter before nine till two to. morteAcr HOUSE OF COMMONS. FRIDAY, Jlitit 17. The Glasgow Harbour Bill, and the. Bill for im proving the Roads of Glasgow, were read a third time, and passed. Mr. I. 11. BROWNE moved, " That itte .-- an in struCtion to the Committee on the Bill for tire bettsr Improvement of the Highlands irt Scotland, that they make provision for enabling landed proprietors in * that country to charge the lands with the ex pepces of the same", which was agreed to. 'The Eleaiou Bribery Bill was read a third time and passed. MIIJTIA. On - the second reading of the Scotch Militia Fa mily. Relief Bill, Mr SHERIDAN wished to know, whether it was haended that a similar provision was to be made fur , Ireland ? In the present crisis, and con sidering circumstances which lie wished only to al lude to, policy as well as justice rendered such a measure necessary. The event of it was produaive of extreme misery and distress, to some instances of which, he had himself 1 een a wit ness, having seen the.wives of Irish militia-men, at Southampton and other places, laying on the bare stones with their infants at their breasts, and desti tute of every thing that could contribute to their support or comfort. Such a measure, he thought, would come forward with more grace from those in authority ; but should it be negleZted "by the Mem bet to whose department it nrore properly belong ed, he should feel it his duty to bring forward a motion on the subject. Mr. ALEXANDER said, that the propriety of such a measure. had not been overlooked, and in the abseace of the. Irish- Minister of that department, r,ok the libel ry or undertaking to assure the lion. Gentleman, that the externiion. of the same system to Jr-eland, had bean some time undei the consi. deratiott of the Goverunient, and that a plan to 64 etii , ,L.t would speedily be subniitted to the House. The Bill was then read .a second time, and com mitted for Monday next. NIFsS.IGI FP.ONI Till': KING. Lord lIAW li . ESAU lt Y appeared •at the Bar, and brought up the following Message from hit' Majesty : GEmy.iiq R. His. Majesty thinks it right m iisAinn the House of Cam mon., that, from an aas.ious desire to prevent the calamities of War beret extrulo to the- Bstavian Republic, he coin muniesiteristo that Go. eminent • liis ilposition to respect their. 'Neutrality, provided that a snail ir disposition yr= manifested on the part of Use.Freneli lii.,:ertilii•vit, and that Cie t - rench Forces wt•re % ItothWith withdrawn (rain tbe torriusrie, of the Batari.in RePublie.—This pyspris:tiwo not. Staving been ;d -rained by the Gosi.wninent or Franc-, and - speesttres having' bean retently taken Ly them, in direct viWiation of the !Iv. dtiend.rnce of the 8at:1.644 Reim:she,. his Ataiesty judged it . ' expedient to direzt.hrs Minister to leavellie ',ague ; .and he ' has since k;vett orders, That f.ettars of Niaique and .general ' I Reprisals slioald Le issucal.against ore RatavLut Republic and .. . its subje.:ts. ' . , ilbNtai• sty has at all times mania tot d the 'deepest aad.ntost li.ely interest t;.: the prosparity and independei cc of die ; Vtiit..d Pro...iii..:t.v. Ilc has rmhurse td these proceedings with the must sincere Pleat, but the conduct of the French Gtiveru_ ment has left h.'n rio alt.rnative ; arid in adopting tine Ine3- supl he is setirited by a sethe of what is due to his own dignity, and to the secur:s,• and c.saunCal interests of his dominions. • G. R. .The Message . hiiig been read by the Speaker,— ' Lord fIAWKESBIIHY moved an Address to his ' Maj4sty, thinking him for -his gracious communica- ' tion, wide!! afforded an additional proof of his ansi out solicitude for the dignity of his crown, and the rights and interests of his people. The Address was immediately agreed to nem. j 43: , co f 8 ! ,__'nib • %In-moving for - the SUPPLY. ousetakng into eonsidera wwur Lion ditllesolatious of die Commitfee of Supply, 1 1 , . . ....r.. . i•• • •*; .4. Ct.- .t • r!.i. v, 4.0.4a.K. - • 4.4. p. T s ai .441 • •.... 1 ' 4 ' P, - 7 •:''.. 1 0% ';'... , 71X ' .fripn.T.:.: ..m.,..x4i2.1m, •• .. .ii r ••• • • , . • i.":"4„., t* 41 ii•rt,alrla-4 .... 1 . then orris ~ according to us( • :rinst usages," of course, were to be Understuod as "'usage Church in iimer then long past," or the wore tould not have beet of any meaning. - The liishop'nf ST. ASAPH pursued his Which was noels' long one, and was more • ration of his eormer speech, than a series o > tow Fri Intent. , '•.fitt Ji the Question was put on thi s ' It& OwCo mmittee dtivided. c z, • 4 6, ' .' - Cuptents 24-411otl (buten& 2. . - ',=-• - -rns-• Cottuniude aids'. provirduc . f. to the ',„ ..4, • ibierlifute juseggreed to, and irtp . „...,..,. ..,.._ ..,,.. .•,...4_, ii,....,.... .: ;,..„..... .. 4 ..:4 . ... " C .: . . 41141 ..,...,- • "if- ICe re°ldca e,/: 4:4. _re_r':.:7 ..- .* .I‘4l:VirAW: .1.,:;1 ) .Mi.; :44,01/1"h41 OP :* '' 4 t/la ‘ .~~ V• ,L V .. ~ The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, that as the sums and resolutions were the same as had been already voted, he should not detain the House at that time with making any observations in addition to what he bore had the. honour of sub . them agreed to. , The Resolutions s h e e ere: " then they c a r n e l a e dan ing secret servicemonev, , tht d ha m t raenspey of d - The CHANCF.LLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, that the sum was so considerable, amounting to 150,0001. ; it was somewhat less than What had. been voted in the beginning of the last war, and not more than occasion may require. The Resolution, however, was unanimously agreed to. On that Resolution, which voted 310,0001. for American claims, Mr. JOHNSTONE asked whether that was meant to satisfy the whole of the demands? The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER replied, that was no more this year than what the Americans were entitled to by treaty ; and though the som is of considerable amount this year, he believed that in the next session, he should have a further sum to propose. The Ilesolutiun was agreed to. On the Resolution for a vote of 1,400,0001. for the service of the army in India, The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, that the sum nose voted would not cover the wh.ile of the expellees, but that he considered it to be sufficient for the present. The other Resolutions were - agreed to without proLincing any further conversation. clisTeme. The CI TANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved, that the House should resolve itself into a Committee on the Bill imposing Additional Unties on Customs. Cent-nil GASCOICNE said, that in the circum stancs in which the country was placed, he was willinf; to join in any sacrifices which may be re quired for th.: public honour and safety. What he kid to propose, he wished it to be understood that the mercantile interest, in whose behalf he spoke, did not wish for exemption from • any . tax, but for the suspension of its operations, if it should he found expedient. lie wished now merely, to represent what was the state of the export trade. The Mini;- ter inferred the capability of the lest-India mer.: chants to pay additional duties on sugar, from then circumstances during the late war. There was, how ever, no analogy between the two situations. In the year 17”3, the West-India trade applied to Parliament for assistance, which, being granted, not only enabled them to produce profit to them selves, but also greatly to assist the public revenue. In I 798 they 'were under the necessity of applying for relief again, and he rather feared they would be obliged to make applications of a similar nature, for they would have to pay the old as well as the new taxes, though the trade had since been a losing trade, and their means of supplying the Continent were, he believed, entirely shut up. A frigate was lately stationed off the mraith of the Elbe, to direct all 141Flisli vessels to return immedi:lely, in. order to avoid falling into the hands of the enemy. Under such .circumstances, supposing Hamburghand the usual channels of conummication to be dosed, he wished for a power in the King in Council to suspend the operation of the tax, if necessary, till some Conti -nental port should be opened for the exportation of our East-India and other produce. The same Was the situation of the tea trade; for • tea and sugar were ry to be considered as necessaries of life, an d no t littirlei,"pkrticularlv in the trianufaCturing counties. In the out-ports of this kingdom, the merchants, in stead ef being like persons in London, the agents for others, who must he paid, according to their agree ment in any case, but were themselves importers, and took the risk of every loss. The consideration was whe ther it was not efeonsequence, whether or not we were excluded frrnn Hamburgh, firemen, and all the other ports of the Continent, which afforded us a market. This was very different friam his situation in the last war. He had hithsell no personal interest in this trade, neither was he stimulated to it by others, for his own constituents had not time, since the in troduCtion of the measure, to give him any instruc t Lions. He was, however, alive to what he knew to be their interests. He therefore moved, that it be an instruction to the Committee to make provi iion for the suspension of the duty on sugar till some port on the Continent should be open to receive our ,'exports. The SPEAKER did not think such an informa tion could be received. The Hon. Member would have an opportunity of doiug so in the Committee, but at present he could not conceive the motion to be either necessary or regular. . General GANCOIGNE replied, that he con ceived the measure to he at least necessary, if not altogether regular, and it was of too much import ance for him to wish to bring it forward, when there might be no more than ;30 or 40 Members present. The CHANCELLOR .of the EXCHEQUER said, it would be irregular in any Member to call in question the authority of the Chair. The House then resolved itself into a Com mittee—Mr. Alexander 'in the Chair. General GASCOIGNE then proposed a dense that power be given to his Majesty in Council to suspend the operations of the Sugar Duty Bill, if it should be found necessary, 'until some port should be opened on. the Continent to receive our exports. The CHANCELLOR. of the EXCHEQUER said, he was astonished that- a person who had been sn long_a :lember of thc. House, should be ignorant that such a general motion could not be madt in the COrrtmittees 'till the blanks were filled up. • Genend GASCOIGn: called him to order. ' The CHA N CELLOR of the EXCEIr:QUER begged pan.* for his mistake, in not knowing that the blanks haelalready hem filled up. • General GASCOIGNE said, that he was not surprizact vaiffte"mistareTior though the Right -Hon. Gentleman had long seen in the chair of the Houie, he did not know-that, he had ever been in the chair n of a Committee. He should however persist in putting his motion. It was accordingly'put.and read a first time. Mr. VA NSIT2 ARl', in objedion, stated, that the' home consumption of sugar increased under the operatic's' of the additionsg ,tea _duty during the hit war, to tire amount of 700,001. in Great Britain only, and he had no reason to suppOse that it would be less at riesent. The Continent had no other ;mato/ 9upplying itself but fiom which must of'conisedrave a - nionopoly, at least, while the was cior.tiulket4 As td Hjiruhkirgb, we were no more exciu ~f jat.no?4,tltB)ti,sve warp the.last year or war; aud:*.rt ip. that 'year we sold :moa t , .. 2 e• • • • • • . • • cigar than at any former period, and paid no less than 16,9001. in drawbacks. General TARLETON said, that though he re zretted the necessity of imposing such heavy taxes an the people, yet be felt the necessity of the case to be such, that he could not vote for the motion of his I - ion. Colleague. He did this upon principle; for when his constituents eleFted him, they sent him into the House unfettered by any political shackles. He knew their patriotic principles, and that they 'would not forget how much Liverpool has increased in .popAtionaßpulencs, and Strength during the ten years continuance orthe 'W a rt - 4 •• • • General GASCGICATF. replied to both the last sprAera.- • The' first, - 14 inneiecl to have his bead confused so much by frauds in'opium, and other such imaginary feats, that nothing which he said was an an,wer to his arguments. As to what was said by Isis Hon. Colleague, or his lion. Friend (if he would allow him to call bins so) when he spoke of the increase of Liverpool, he could os.ly n.eaa die town, and not the trade altogether. Perhaps the ihm. General only spoke from report; for as to the people of Liverpool he left them to themselves, and having accepted a command in Ireland, did not think it necessary that they should have a Repre sentative in . Parliament. For himself he would not leave their interests to chance ; for, as it was to be interred from the silence of Ministers, that we were to have no Continental port open to us, the supply of sugar could only be carried on by us as smugglers or as pirates. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER thought it strange tha: the Hon. General should have lately been so much in favour of war, and now argue against one of the unavoidable effeas of it. It could not be inferred from any thing said by his Majesty's Ministers that no port would be open to us during the war, or that even were the ordinary channels of communicaticuahut up, others may not be opened. Seme obstrnaion would undoubtedly occur to tract.: while the war continued ; but no obstruaion r power whatever would obstruti the exports of sugar, as the supplies whi,ls might he obtained through neutral vessels must be 'Very in significant. Tile price of sugar had i .ncrease - .1 7c. per cwt. since the commencement of hostilities which would not have been the case if the quantity in hand was greater than he demand. In the opr nion of many very sensible and weiltinformid per. sons, instea&of 4s. additional, it would easily bear a new duty of two or three shillings more, and the reason which krincipally dissuaded him propsoing it. was, the knowledge that the West-India trade had of late suffered very severely. Alluding to his Hon. Friend (Gen. Tarleton) he said, that he had al ready performed eminent services in . the field, and in his command in Ireland would be performing . a duty of as much importance •to his country and to his constituents in Liverpool, as he could by his attendance in the House of Commons. General GASCOIGNE replied, that the Minis. • ter had no great occasion to quarrel with his mo tion, which went only to give a discretionary powe/ to the Right Hon. Gentleman himself as his Majestfs principal adviser ; and as to the Hoh. General .(Gen. Taileton) he was very sensible of • his conspicuous merit in the field, where be certainly was more capable of rendering himself useful than he was.in the House of Commons. In what he • had said, he assured the House that he was far 1 from saying, :my thing personally offensive to his Hon. Friend. General TA RLETON rose marely to observe, that if all officers serving in the army or navy were to be excluded from seats in Parliament. his Hon. Colleague must himself be in the list of ex clusion. • The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER considered The motion as unnecessary: There was a'clause in the Bill allowing Parliament, if neces sary, to alter the Bill in the present session ; and if it should not be sitting, he conceived such si pening power in the Privy Councl to be enconsti. tutional. Sir William Pul!eney, Mr. Barham, and Sir William Younp were in favour of the clause. ; Mr. DEN*I said, he should be satisfied if the • Ministers would state that Hamburgh and Bremen had not baen shut against us, as was very confi dently reported this morning ; but should the r port= be true, the storm would' sooa . li:tirst upon the sugar trade. He said, • the reason 'sylry he anti others disapproved of the peace, was, because they were confident that at that time peace could not be made with security.. Mr. JOHNSTON argued, that the Sugar Trade would derive no advantage from the War. He ob. served, that altho' it was not possible for the enemy completely to shut us out from the Continent, yet their possession of l larribur w o uld Ouse a great obstruction to the untie - of t he country, r and therefure was an alarming event. • The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, no man was ready to hear hig her testimony than himself, to the public spirit - of the Gentlemen of the West Indies. He seemed to be misunder stood ; he never intended that the tax• should fall upon the Planters. If he had thought so, i.e should have been unjustifiable in proposing the tax.' He was persuaded it would fall upon the consumer, and it. was his intention it should do so. According to his view of the subject, the duty excited none of those apprehensions by which some Gentlemen appeared to be atftirated. He considered the trade would* not be liable to any' difficulties in consequence of _the duty. .Mr. BARRON urged, that the Pla;:ters had been losing, and it would have been better for them to have, given up their estates rather than have culti. vated them to disadvantage. He desired to enter his protest against the Provisions 4 f the dill- After some further conversation, Ceaeral coigne withdrew his Motion. The Itesolutions were agreed to. The House re. firs i t ile t ime. sumed, and the Rep or t was or d ere d to be received k to-morrow. The Highlands Road Bridges Bill was read a Irishand Indemnity Bill wasztAi time readeSuspensionvt os to - morrow . r a roa fi r rd r o s a t ordered to be re a d a secon d t i me to-morrow. 4, first,. nd'l 'lino 'r Reporte n e d d to a n d o f h e t P h r r e e o al)dea Navigation second y l) tY Bill was Agreed to, and the .Bill ordered to be read a third time minor-row. • -The Report of the Irish Parsonage House Bill was reported;and the Bill ordered to be read a thi r d time on Tuesday. A motion was made, that there should be 141 be inforderponHo9user ar tb is e to ncte th r a o l f e F aiumat oreignShipi eithe tta re d . won. • • e. •. . - . ..r • % W" . F . 10. I l BA