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11C7 a.. ptsre*t• sad Jarlges, and even that double number, to get through the husinews, would he under the necessity of keeping watch and watch the whole year rnund. The ATTORNIT-OENERAL contended, that as there was nothing to complain of in the existing practice. there cowl.l be no necessity for alteration. Mr. K. MARTIN, in reply, said that there was • tithe when prisoners were not allowed to produce witness,' iu their defene. Persons might come forward to speak to their chstracter.lat they were not 'allowed to he sworn. Any Attorney-General of those days would have required the incoove ilienee to he stated before he would have consented 'to an alteration, and without doubt authorities could he found among the high prerogative 'elites. it& &leiter of all the evik of the code which had ever 'yet been repealed. He had one authority to quote on his side, however, of some eminence. Blackstone, vol. iv. onyx tlitit it iv perfectly isocons potable with the general humanity and benignity of the criner'nal lass of England, to refuse to prisoners accuse of felony the right of hestig.defetilled by ctmessel. That this right vitiated in principle woo eviditto, front the form in which prisoners were called to speak in their defence. Surely if thgly had a right to do it front their own tips, they twoil a right to have it done in a way the least prepirli-; vial to their ca.,. He recolomended hie lion. 'Arrieuda, the Attorney and Solicitor-Cr/tient', to * eked over a few pages of Bellingltain's trial, and soy if tiny would be wilting to do the wane as was 4sio n e by the Judges in that case. lie begged the (faunae to look at the case us this view : Supposing ''the law of !Scotland prevailed in England anal lies! b land, would they be willing totiller it to that to which Svas held now to be good, to admit of i prove me it After a few worth from the ATTORNEY-Gets 141., the snoliois au. negatived without a d %%mon Ltrlld.CAßTLeattacta bLought op various psi pursuant' to the order of the House, which w laid on the table. Lord PALMERSTON brow alt up papers relati . to the Army Estimates. Mr. UNSAID asked a question relative to 014 admissions to the reutlin g -room of the Britisli M loyell.lll. He COoriderrti the prevent sonde of ad nt i.sion • virtual denial to moat of those to whoa; it was d.sitahle to go there. He gave notice that hr would ve for account. of the number of per. sons who had applied for admission. nod of those who had obtained it during the last five years. Mr. C. LONG begged, as a matter of convenience to himself, to be encased at present Irons making may reply to the questions. SUPPLIES. The CHAHCXLLOR of the EXCHEQUER nem.. the Order of the Day to be read for the House L solving itself into a Committee of Supply. Mr. Huila had a motion to submit. lie surprised to witness the great disparity between oh, Army Estimates and those of the other serviono but still more was he surprised at the difference be. • tweets these Estimates for 1792 and 1821. repro cislly in the staff, civil departments. and the other I Stabilifilnelltt connected with the army. Instead of going into lengthened details upon the subject. he eontented himself with proposing the following Resolution fur their adoption : It appears by the Relearns before the House or Commingl e !bat the total charge, under the bead of StefOlficees of every band bewaring to the army ot Great Britain and in all the 1792 ([island eitielnded), was 33,794/. namely— F./ Great Britain £16,676 • Fur the 17,1,18 433,71)4 Aad that the charge soder the berg /.f every kind for Gnat Britain and lbe Coleuies, itiiibelorlliMil (Ireland esalatled) is 117,71 W. waraely.... _ _ ... . a . ~.... ro. Cweei Beiseie e. 15 5,6 55 * Fee Obe Old Colorer, 52,156 : .: • Foe lye New Culuaies 1117,710 briar as increase is Greet &Hair and the 01.1 Cultaries of 114,2141/.; and its Great Phitain and the Old and New Co nies ul 113.9161. a sear for Staff beluagin; to the array. . The Resnlohon was rejected without a division. The Order of the Day was then read. spg•seß put the question—. 6 That 1 do now leave the Chair." ~Mr. HUME sold, that he had another Resolution 1,, propose before going lotto the Committee. npors hick he would he obliged to take the sense of the I loose. De pointed win the K.ert increase of sala ries to pohlic offices oisice. 1797—that increase was s tated in have taken place 111 cousequence of the wrest increase of Itiv‘iiieio. and the depreciation of tsuiley. The opposite causes at preseuit esi•tinn. ouicht to lead to an equal retrenchineat. He only shed. however, fur a revi•ion of all Italaries e,reared since 1797, end emoted the fullowiug ✓at Haim : .Ressaviail—That theonsitressive inerease of *Marks is the &greens pwhtrr Arparinienik took place in consequence of thei socrrase of bosoons in tinte of war, sad the depreciation ..f eh. rum-tory, which beitau sore alter the saspeasom of rash mantis in 17t/ 7 ; arid that as peaty has been aux . . . litiat;l: tad site curreticy bruise,' ha • utetolloc standard, it 1• filliiiseiliout th4l a consolerahle rroluctiuu tor expense ithusild be *Meted by 4 prop r reru 000000 all salutes increased woes 1797, by adjuottuir Unit, to the remit valise of she estirotty. L r.l PALIMIIITOff thought this an improper time • to propose so sweeping a rtoolution, which mum equally affect every beloveds of the expeodio lore. The Hon. Memlwr hod assumed that the country hod returned to a 'betake currency, and Piet mnswy had isicreictrd iis value. lie was Irmo mot of thst circumstanee. lie knit". lo rt et d, that there' Were prespecriVe mesr•ure. adopted for that porpoise, but as fo a y res.' rrductinitiof twice*, tistrugh curio aas ellesp, house-rem and futulture were :ao . dear as ever, and those of small fortune de rived no oncreasedSdvatuage from ei.e former sus mentalism of their missies. Mr. DAZING did Not burs • Low this could be fheY had ne experience of the question. All the Prteikiwi of high tresson trial were allowed to fele= in Sco , Lind. He contended, that the effect of employing Counsel would be to save more inno- cent into. and convict sore guilty sea than at present. . Sir J. 'Vines slid that one point had how De- giteted by the preying.. speakers. a verFWeible one... Host of- thaw. Suppose • case of felony, if &wenn addressed the Court fur two boars in de- fence, ttoiier`es would have the right. of reply, and wssild tike scarcely less time. There were, it iippearod. 3,000 of them causes to try in every year. Thine woold 'take np in pleading 14,000 hours of time. They mast doable the numb..., of Juries -- .~, deemed ii ward the his gri!tit fer i•resord thud - with a isiblvet relay from Itlmistete,Lexcrpt • rework tart I not the proper one is which to propuee l lotion). A* to 'he •mrittrce of ibe cu _ it we. not in his depatttnent ; bat certatti.it we., that in May next—( Hen, heai,filasifie Hiwisterial side) —that was to say. 90 Jays onto &run the time io which he was speaking, person• would be en- • shied to go to the Bank sinl get bullion at 3/. 17.. 101 d. Iheoaure. That was no very distant petioil. At present it could be lied for 31. 19.. 'while the currency had not only risen to the uld standard, but was ac•ually screwed up ab•.ve H e tni,u4ht the Resoluta:Ns very revi.nsablo: and as a matte► of corninon honetity, he called .upon flume who voted for the repeal of the Malt Tee to support it. He could slot eau ceive how any Gentlemen could woke up their minds•to vote against the Wits and Means, who never, on any ecomoirearAiipossmit the swat extra- 'mo o t 'fro m", s.• - -0,4141. assiair , 4 CH a NcELLOII ofthe E>< pfafe thought that the Resolutio n had uo coniWx sith she question of the Estimates then about to be inusml,., tor. • , Mr. G. fissure? said thilf titte:l6takistion re quired no distinct pledge from th.. Hone: It was little more than the •111)stinice of twit (inane Re °p.orts, 1817 and 1819, which recipopiontriled the situ. thee, although bosh GamMllBlB,o had been wouninited by the Chancel's, 141 1 8188 0 Ex. chequer. He thought that those Ohm tissyMored the Malt Tax were bound to vote for this Ron lobos' Mr. Pitt had, iii 1804, raised the sell ries of officers on account of • the depreciation of sew currency, and had promised a coriespolohl.4 reduction on the arrival of peace. Government hail been idle awl inattentive to "the necessary means of reduction, and his Hose. Friend had brought forward this Resolution to remind thews of their duty. 'rho.r sound. of the Noble Lord (it was idle to call them reas.ins) continued no summer to the statement.. Thome who voted.for thitrosslar of 1,400,000/. &hilt Tax, weersobellinVowtboXour and honesty to supparettbie Resolution. Lord PALMERSTON said. that as a proof of the idleurss and profusion of Give 1111 l mat as to re 0111) they had reduced the present rip•lsloilsinents to about one-half the number of persons employed in the time of the war. Mr. G. BENNETT said, that nothing could be more wild thaii the statement of the Noble Lord. The country was at peace, and there was nut half the bunteeoi in the departments that there was during the war. There could nut be °caution fur half the tionibt.r of persons. Mr. Ws Lauri said, that he had not voted for the repeal of the tax, sort he should do nothing un worthy of an honest Will is opposing the Knobs tion, which lie could not support, because it con tained nothing sufficiently specific. He was nits/d -ing to emits the Government. Sir M. W. RIDLEY urged the necessity if all those Geatlemen supporting theßesolutiou who bad voted for the repeal of the Malt 'Fax. Mr. Giros said a few words. Mr. flume said, that the Hon. Member for the City of London could not have heard his motion, as nothing could he more specific than • proposal to revise all salaries augmented sauce 1797. with • view to a corresponding reduction. As a proof of the Recently fur so doing he would mention a few. The Secretary at Waits 1796 received 8901.; the Noble Secretary's salary for the last year was '4,5001. He stated the pay of the Head Clerk in the War-Office in 1796, to be 7001., last year. 1,4001. Hi. Re solutiou called for no positive reduction. It only required the Hoene to examine it. Mr. Hansom) said a few words. Mr. Motruc raid, that the produce of the land had punk 50 per ern , . ifs value. It wa. impossible to bear the *awe public burdens as Wove. He recommended the example where, as some as the Government became sensible of the ',abbe distress, they cast about for any means of reducing the pub lic burdens. Col. Fitaucii observed, that he would submit to the House • short arithmetical statement, which seemed to he the kind of argument the Hon. Gem. (Ir. Hume) was most fond of dealing nt.—(H••r. frogs Mr. flume.)—Now, if in she year Eng 48,474 ems coat the country 3,494,0001., in the prevent Jeer 81,000 men should coo 5,896,004)!. The whole amount then cost hut 6,000600/. which, cousidensig the ,heat improvements, was a very in considerable Increase. Stiangers were Users ordesed to withdraw for a d~~USUou. The numbers trete— For going islet time Committee ♦pipet it Majority Sil On our return to the gallery we fintiod,the House resolved into a Committee. when the A:hairman read the question—" That a sum not exceeding 105.645/. ss. 10d. he the total amount of the Staff, exclosive of In it;' upon which— Mr. Hulls rose to Cali the attention of the House townie of the 'teams contained in the estimate., sold the first of these on which he should remark was the Commander in Chief. As to whether it was tit to continue this office at ell, was not a point 011 which lie ahould trouble the Hnuw, but they should look to the eitormous expense ' , tending It. In 179 t there was no •uch office at all ; and is 1804 or 1805, when his Royal ilighnem the Duke of Youls took the office. his pay was woe guineas a day,; SIIICC that period it has ine►ea.ed to 16/. 41.. 9,1. a day, exclusive of allowances. Is nuking them observations, he wished to stale ttiat he ars pt . -devils aware of the important services that R..yal, Ouke had residerrd to the arusv since ha carne isle 'Ace. and inithitig could be farther from his ihtesitiou than to cast the *lightest 'stipulation; but what he meant -to napre-oi suit the Haw., was this. that in the pte•rut state of oar finances, and in the seventh year of peace, that eve►y department of the Staff ►hould he reduced, sod the best way was to begin at the head. The neat nice its that of the Secretary to the. Coin minder-in-Chief, also lad little or nothing to do.:te 1" leo," from Lord Poliwersho/ —Well theta, , Ise ►.s lid •Mt N Noble lry had VOW - The o ffi ce of AdjuhulftsGeiteral ' show reduced oneedurd. He went• mime to Olio Staff of South Britain ; and he would ask the Noble Lord whether, in c.iirfour, he could pay the Staff might not be reduced wit-half, without the slightest inconvenience or deficiency ? There were tire perivanent district assistants to .the Quarter master-timers' ; he thought himself that all these • might be removed; but there could not.he believed. be a second opiniori, that some at 'rest of them were unnecessary. There were also two inspectors of army clothing, at the expense of 693/.104. one et least of them might be removed, and reduce the eepeutliture one-half. The nest office in South Britain of which he had to co.nplaio, saw the Chaplain-Genaral, and this wee quite a new .. office ; and isi order to chew the disposition that exists on the part of the Government to increase the salaries of the canoes offices. he need mile mention, that when this office eras first established, the salary attached 'to it was only 3661. • year, whereas at present it is 8001. So that if 363/, was couaidered an !deviate salary,wherk our kpilittiry etstal3lisliMelikpee,Muots,•h o rg e r Amu- -it 4.11. pre . mate iu rly it is a little too much that the sa levy now attached to. the office is more than doable what it W3S at that period. But there were besides this four Clieplains to the Forces. Now lie should be glad to, know from the Noble Lord, what these four gentlemen have to do, for he was quite eta loss to discover it. The next point to which he came, and he entreated the attention of the House to it, was the Staff of North Britain. There was one Secretary arid flue Aide-de-Camp to the Major General, who had both the same duty to perform. and consequently the prearoce t.f one of them could be amply dispensed with. There was also a Baagsge Master, which was a perfectly useless office. Ile did not make this sos a suggestion of his but OW looking to some 'rapers before the House, they would.find it recommended by tile Committee. But the House should look to the extreoie maims- Iportion an Ireland botween the present year and 1791. • —.An • • • - kt present - tire Staff in - lg. - elk - rat : a TO 40,000/. ; whereas in 1792 it amounted to only a few thou winds. In thus one item he found seven Adjutanis- Gessersl and deputies, and five Quartermasters and deputies—one-half of which et lewd might most conveniently be reduced. There was also the Me dical Staff w Ireland—which, in proportion, wail much larger than that of England. In 1796, when this Medical Staff stag first appointed, it was rata- Wished nietely for temporary purpose.; not one of them had at that time (and he did slut know whe. thee they had them now) a commiloion from the King; they were nicely appointed by the Lord Lieutenant for temporary purposes—and what was most strange about them was, not one of them has been abroad on loreigi. service ; they have been resident in Ireland for the last fifteen years; so that, evit ad. • ling it were necessary they should be retained, they should be made to take the general routine of service.—(Heer.)— Beat he was convinced that our-half of them was unnecessary, and shookl therefore be reduced. He had a few words 'nisi, to say about the foreign staff, with which he should not detain the Mu.e massy minuses. He would not of tousse mention every Wand in which a reduction could he made, but it was impossible to • mention that our foreign eatablishmewts in 1792 only coot us 17.0001. whereas DO. they are au expense of 50.0001. without seeing that something should be done by the Government in the way of retrenchment. If the Noble Lord compared the espenditure of the Windward arid Leeward Islands of the present year with that of 1794, he will find a considerable in crease. In 1791 the whole amounted to 8,400/.; now they amount to t9.000/.—(hear, hear.)—lt was impossible to slate any thing stronger than that comparison. With regard to Malta and the lonian Islands, he had already stated hia opinions. He should not detain the House longer, but would con elude by moving, " That the vote be reduced to 85,0001." - Lord Pausaltirron then rose. He said the point at issue between him and the Hooourable Gentleman (Mr. Hume), was more us to prin ciple then details. The question was, whether 1794 was to be taken as a standard to regulate the establishments of the present day ; and his opioiun ou that subject was, that , insierd of being a guide to direct our course, we should regard,' ma beacon and a warning to avoid.—(Hear, hear.)—lf we consider our may in 1792 in the aggregate, and its organisation, we must confess it was the worst in Europe. Of course he did not mesa to apply this observation to the valour or personal character of the officers or soldiers, for the British robber hiss reaped • rich haryist of glory all over the world— but certainly no ash who knew any thing of the state of our army in 1794 would ever wish to revert to the system that was then pursued, a system that has been the 10 , 6 of many valuable lives, and the cause of many serious political disappiontments to the country. He should like to know for what pur pose.we ate to have • standing army at Ell ? Sure ly, if it is to exist at all, it should be in such state as to command the respect of foreign norioas, and in the event of our coming in contact with fo reign armies, we should be in such a state as to meet them Ile was really surprised then to lour the Honostrable Geotleman (fr. Hume) usk us to retrace our steps, and make us revert to that vicious inefficient otysteen that existed in 1792.—(1 - kor, hear, hear.) --The Noble Lord then went over the viiiion.offi. , rs alluded to by Air. Home. He observed that lion. Gentleman pro l'o.ed to reduce the *Awry of the Couimander-in- Chief, and coniplaused very muck of die me that has been made to it ; but he could inform the House, it mot by sin means it personal gram, but °tie that was applicable to any min of the mine rank, ill the ranee office, either at hose or abroad. Tina Holt. Gentleman seemed too to confoinid the wont l of Secretary of IVar slid Comm in ; but he must si that I lonoisrable Member has employed talents sod industry to very Mile lierpuee, if be has yet to learn the immense difference there is betwreis the two offices. The Military Secretary had a most la loiriout duty to # trforit. Mitch was increased in the time of peace, iu consequeute of the numerous .I.V.RCV4II :74) egrets on helk he Him. Gently' re , ; hut did "he visppo.e thle otie ;wrfortn tivt %whole duty. or did he clothe* t►h/ibld go . to the artily inroerted ist all ? He nett came to the oak, of Chaplmu►-General ; forratrir there was a Chaplain ettachrd to each regi 7 'sent. mod as uothiug is more ueees•ary fiar Mwl ti► order thi without to *elect the proper pentium', this clerical Arrange.. niClll has been mad., and it has bee° cousidervil moat wsplutary and effectual. With respect to the Irish Staff it usum of course be considerable, in consequeoce of their being more scattered through the country, sod the constant marches which they make require, of course, more attention. With respect to the Medical Staff, Gent!emelt must he very much mistaken if they suppose that th.ir sole busiuess is to sitteud the hospitals; they have also to *re if the proper treatment is administered, and to a.trod to the medical stores ; and iii this country he lures. a ceataiderable saving had beets effected in that way by means of these inspectors. IVith re spect to the Leeward and Wiadward Islands. and our foreign Staff, he said they had been conducted in the most ecimomieul manlier. The greatest ad vantages 'were derived front uniting the civil and military duties iii one individual. Colonel Milts observed, that he was by so means satisfied with the esplanatiotsgiven by the Noble Lord. He seemed to have mistaken alto erther the statement of his Hon. Friend (.Ir. Home). He argued the case, as if his Honour able Friend had said, that because in 179 e there was no Commander-iii-Chief, therefore the office should be altogether abolished, whereas lie naively sought and wished for a itdiactiom. It was unne (wary for hint to enter into the character of the Illustrious Personage who fills that of f ice, to whom the army and the country at large owed so much,. but he must object to any reduction in his salary.. With regard to the Irish Stiff he would say. that he thought the office of Commander-iii•Chiel might be done away with, sod if that were done it would be a saving to the country of 4,000/. u year at least. With respect to the Leeward Islands, hr would say that its any of these foreign posses -11191111 where there are Post-masters and Brigsde- Majors, there could be no ueresaity for • Quer _ _ _ or Staff. In St. hlrlrne, • Brigadier and Lieutenant-General might be dis pensed with. After a few übiereatiolir Cu some of th e other branches of the Estionoes„ the Hun. and Gallant Member cuucluded by elating, that the reduction he hoped for would amount to 14 or 13,0001. a-year, exclusive of the Medical Staff. Mr. Benner:. agreed with hia other Honourable Friends, that the salary of the Commander-in- Chief was nut too highly rated. The explanation which had been given as to the d utits of the Secretary to the Commander-in-Chief being increased dur ing pewee, swat most extraordinary. He agreed with his lion. Friend (Mr. Home) in censuring the expe..aesuf the Foreign Staff. The Noble Lord did not wean to be aware that his Honourable Friend, io speskiog of the Estimates of 1794 was using the language of the Committee ap- Lointed in 1817. The que .tion b e tw een the N o bl e ord and the Gentlemen on that side of the House was tin., they wished the radiant...l;A* .p. proximate to those of 1794, and the Noble Lord recommended • departure from them. He agreed with his Hon. Friend (Colonel Davies) iis the re marks he had made on the office of Comman der-in-Chief iu Ireland, slid thought his objec ti were entitled to attention. He was persuad er: that a great revolution would take place in future estimates, and though the Noble Lord might succeed in getting them voted this year, he never would again. Colonel WOOD said, the duty of the Secretary to the Commander-in-Chief was increased in this way : During the war the whole of the regiments were brigaded, and through the General of Brigade nil the correspondence with the Commander-in- Chief was carried on, but now every regiment cor responded with the Horne Guards, which must of course make an addition to the duty in the Se cretary's department. The Honourable Member defended the office of Inspectisig Generals, as being a valuable medium of cerumumeatiou be tween the private soldier and the Coniessauder-io- Chief, in case it were necessary, for the tonveystioe of any complaint. He was as anxious as any Hon. Member for economy, but at the same time he was desirous that uo saving should be made at the ex pense of the comfort of the soldier. Mr. Howe and Col. Wool: mutually explained. Mr. J. SMITH mid, although he could not agree to go the full length of his Hon. Friend (Mr. Hume), yet he should have been better pleased if the Noble Lord had proposed a vote for a smaller sum. All the answers which had been given to his lion. Friend were not in refutation of the facts he hied stated, but general observations on the disci pline of the army. He called upon the Committee to consider the state in which the easatry now stood : that it was stated by some to. be no longer in a situation of fulfilling IN enguge went., to the public creditor—and they might to consider whether it were not our first duty to pay our debts, whether we were in a aituatiou to he generous, or even to be just. He was fully doter ... ed to oppose the grant of one riegle shilling winch was not necessary to the honour and security of the country; he dud not consider it would be inconsistent with that declaraltiasir.'thst he agreed with his Honourable Friends that it was wit were eery to tow+ upon the allowauces to the Com mander-in-Chief. He should be glad if Isis Ho nourable Frieud would rrilum hia proposition a little, when he should be happy to give it his sup port. Colonel DAVIS. explained. Lord PALMS , RATON said he was happy to J9nd, that although Mr. l'iti's Admiiii-trat was, dur ing hie life, branded as the most t:itiray..gatit and wasteful the country ever taw. )tt now justice was clone to Inch bosh sides of the House, which Kaye him hopes that some nine tierice the present Administrations might be duly appreei died. (tiear.) Mr. BEN NETT explained. Mr. Hume said, as he was anxious to meet the wishes of Isis lion. Friend (Mr. J. Smith), he would, with the perrnissiors of the Committee, with. draw his original ptoposittou, and suiratituir, iris 1 a , stead of it, " That 40,0001. be granted, instead o f 1113,94,11. st. mi.; mowed by the Noble Lord." On this the Committee divided, whets there spa peered Fot Mr. flame's Anseadwiset For the °dente! Raislation lid Majority Ott the RWicilution for granting 25.3ner. fur the General end Staff Officer. in Ireland— Sir Hera". PAansu. rose. He complained . that the est a bli s h men t o f t h e C omman d er o f t h e Forces in Ireland was of the most extravagant de. wriptiOn. It appeared there were more Generals employed with the 20,000 men in Ireland than with the. 27,000 men in England, and its that re spect a degree of unnecessary expense was incurred. —He thought it desirable thin the Committee should reprobate the system of separate establish ments, and separate expense which followed ; it prevailed not only in this, but in other depart. menta; for example, in the Barrack Deportment,. and was productive of much mischief. He titougist that reductions might be made of the salary of t Commander-In-Chief, his Aide.de-Cantp, &c. He should therefore propose as en amendment, that instead of 25,3841. 13). 10d., 20,4791. should be substituted. The question being put— Lord Panicarrow row and said, it was the in. teution of Government to reduce the Lieutenant- i General, leaving on the establishment in Ireland only the Commander of the Forces and four Majors- . General. If the reduction proposed by the Hon. Bart. wereagreed to, there would be four Mejore- General left, without any superior to keels them in union,. The communication between Dublin end London was necessarily one of uncertainty on ac count of the sea interposing, it was also one of de ley on, iiccount of the distance, and considerable iecoevenience must arise to the service if there was no officer in Dublin invested with a power of issu ing orders at discretion as occasion might require. without waiting for the result of a communication with the Commander-in-Chief in London. The question then would he, whet should be the rank and allowances of such officer? IVheit it was you. sidered that there was an army of 17,000 men, lie thought it would be adiniited by any person coo versant with military affairs, that it was a command requiring an officer of higher rank than s Major- General ; arid the scale of allowances, he thought, could not be considered as its any degree ap proaching to excess, when it was remembered that lie was under the necessity of ke-ping a large establishment, and a table for the entertainment of such officers as might be in Dublin from time to time. Mr. Hume begged to call the attention of the Committee to the establishment of the Adjutant. General's department; the number in Ireland was eight, for au army of 17,000, while in Great Britain it was only four, for an army of 24,004, its the Quartenuaster-Generarr department. the number oo the Irish establislimeet „five: in Great Britain it wag now only four. i t , G rea t Blitain, where, in MelJlllOll to the clothing for the army of 24,000 men. there was to be inspected the eluting% for the regiments stationed in the Colonies. there were but two inspectors of clothing, and in luetsod there were also two, to inspect the cloth ing of 17,000 well, at an equal expense to the country. The Medical Stuff in Ireland was also on a larger scale than that of Great Britain; and these was this extraordinary difference, lbw all the Deputy Inspectors in Great Britain but one, were now on half-pay ; but in Ireland all but one were on full pay—(hear, hear, hear)—and that of those on the British establish ment, all had been on foreign service, sharing in the chances of the ear, but none of those on the Irish establishment had ever set foot out of the country except one, who went to Gibraltar for a few months to qualify him for an appoint ment on the British Medical Staff.—/ Died cries of Hear, hear, hear.)—The Noble Lord had esker'. if the Inspectors were reduced, what would be come of the hospitals? In reply, he would ask. what had become of them in England Hear, hear./—The whole eipense of the Medical Staff in Ireland; which was now stated et 4.3451., ought to be reduced to 1,9001. He was sorry, therefore, that the Hon. Baronet had not proposed in les amendment a still greater reduction. He would have advised the Honourable Baronet to move, ra• then than the Comenstider of the Forces, that Ave of the Adjutant-General's, and three of the Quar termaster-General's department, should lie reduced, and if to that were added the reduction lie had mentioned on the Medical Staff, the sating would be more considerable. Lord l'aessaastux maintained, that although the number of troops in Ireland was smaller thaw in Great Britain, yet that the dilfereoce in that local distribution, their stations being so wade, ten dered a larger Medical Staff necessary than if they were more concentrated, Me in England. The Irish establishment, he also contended, was met exempted front foreign service any more then that of Great Britain, but took its equal chance of being appointed fur foreign service with the Mitres.; Mr. WAilla spoke in support of the reduction proposed by Mr. Home. Sir H. l'immata. contended that a Lieutenant- as General, with one Deputy Adjutant-General, sod one Deputy Quartermaster-General would imam * • Staff fully sufficient fur else service in latload. Sir G. HILL maintained dna is the present state of Ireland • large Milit.iry Stall• was Necessary. lie the last year it was iouwl that the gewend did not contain one individual more than was re quisite. The only economy he thought pr•cric. b l.-. would be the annexing the Commandership of the Forces to the Lord Lieutenantcy. _ _ Mr. O'GILADY said, he did not nteau to object to the supply necessary be the maintroance of the torce which Parhameut had thought proper to vote fur Ireland, but he must object to the attaching of places to the army, which were steady sitiererea, end which brought it into disrepute. Such he con ceived were the appointments of Comasauder of the Forces, the Adjutant-General with his Depu ties mot Amistants. end the Querteeoaetrr•Ge. nerel'a Deputy and Aeauttants ; he should there fore feel it his duty to vote for their removal. and be hoped a nitwit's' would be made to that effect. Mr. C. GRANT said, he would abstain from re peating those arguments which had before been itrgtd in support of the Estimate•, and twilit* him.