The Statesman. — London, England, 1822-06-18 00:00:00

r N Try, considered by the Petitioners to be prejudicial to the in er .os of Ireland. Mr. CURWEN thought tke prayer of the Petition t as w rthy of attention. The Poulton was ordered to be printed. Mir W. CURTIS presented a Petition from the Watch-makers of the City, of Lowden. arlittat that part of the Warehousing Bill, relative to terclin clocks and watcbm.—Ordered to be printed. Sir W. LEMON prevent...' a P•titlan from some Irish. ermeo of Cornwall, against the Tax upon Salt.—Order ed to lie en the table. Sir R. FEUGUSSON present/0 a similar Wilkie from Per•ll.—Ordered to lie on the table. The Fish Preserratioo Bill was read a second time, and ordered to be committed toomirrow. 222222 ItEGUIATIONS SILL. The Rakers' Regniatiens Bill was re-committed, the Report ree•ived, and ordered to be read a third time os Thursday next. Sir W. LEMON presented a Petition from certain persona of Penrya, Cornwall, against the Slarriage Act. —Ordered to be printed. Lord A. HAMILTON presented a Petition from va• rises Curnoratinns of Bdinbnrgh and Inverness against the Royal Burghs Aceennts Ift 11.—Ordereil to be printed. WILT TAX. Mr. W. SMITH preseuted s Petition from the Fish ' corers of the town of Bolton, in Cambridgeshire, pray for a farther remission of the Salt Tax. Mr. CURWEN pressed upon the consideration of the Chancellor of the Exchequer the propriety of removing this burden from the fisheries, which was so grievously felt, and for retaining which no adequate reason, be tbought, could be assigned. Tbe CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, in die course of some observations which, from the eel** Pee` tailing in the House, were not distinctly heard io the galls-rv, stated, that it was not his intention to persist in retaining the duty of two shillings on the salt used in the Fisheries. He had only proposed that it should re main subject to that ditty for two years, at the end of which period most of the bounties would expire, and tile whole subject would then have come under the con sideration of the House. Since, hot , he found. that the retention of this portion of the tax bail created great alarm in those interested, he bad resolved epos not persistingin his criginal intention.—(llear.) General GASCOYNE complained of a dismission having been entered into on a subject of so much gene. rid in at that period of the evening, and when se little wise:ported. The constoinence in the present in starice. had been to him, that he had not been able to hear all that bad fallen from the Right Honourable Gen tleman. Mr. Ric and the CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER made observations which were inaudible in the gallery. Mr. BRIGHT hoped that if the Chancellor of the Exchequer had any scheme for the reduction of this mast oppressive tax, he would carry it into effect di rectly. Whatever he did with respect to it, it was quite • .neresaary that he should remodel the Excise Laws for the collection of the Tax. lie could retain them for no other reason than patronage, or that he would not abandon one or two hundred thousand pounds; and strong as his Majesty's Government wac, if it went forth to the country that it was not their intention to repeal these laws, they world receive a shock from public opi. oion. The Petition was then read, and ordered to be printed. POLICE. Mr. Secretary PEEL brought up the Report of the Select Committee on the state of the Police of the Me tronolis, which was ordered to be laid on the table, and' to be printed. MONEY WAGES. Mr. LITTLETON presented a Petition from the Coal and Iron Masters, and others of the Town of Dud ley, in Staffordshire, and its neighbourhood, praying the attention of the House to the Laws restraining the Payment of Wages in any other commodity than Money. The Him. Member Impressed upon the House the neces sity of taking this subject into their consideration. The master-manufacturers bail resolved in many cases that the workmen should lay out their wages at certain shops, h belonged to themselves, and in order to evade the law, they discharged all those who did not do so. The consequence of this was, as the Petitioners complained that they bad bad provisions, at exorbitant prices. Mr. ROBINSON said the house would perceive, from the Petition, that the Bill which had been passed of late years to restrain master-manufacturers and others from paying their workmen's wages io any thing but money, was (rite inefficaciams. It was clilar that ways amt melee could easily be found to evade the law on that t subject. He confessed this had always been his opinion and now that k appeared to be so beyond doubt, he si!ionhl feel it his duty hereafter to draw the attention of the house to the question of the propriety of con. tinning the law. Mr. D. GILBERT concurred in all that hail fallen from the Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Robinson) with respect to these laws. These laws prevented many mas ters from importing provisions from cheaper districts for the benefit of their men. whilst they did not prevent those from doing so whose intentions were bail. Mr. RICARDO made some ob tioos to the same effect which were not distinctly beard in the gallery. Lord S I'ANLEY said that however much he agreed in the propriety of removing the inefficacious restric tions on this subject, be hoped that some measure would he introduced to prevent the payment of wages in corn mad i ties. Mr. MONK observed that there was a great dis tine-ion between paying in commodities, and paying in provisions. The latter was most useful end beneficial, and the former very much the reverse. After a few words from Mr. Hums, the Petition was brought op and read, and ordered to be printed. Mr. LITTLBTON also presented a Petition from cer tain Silk Manufacturers io the Deighboorbood of Dud ley, against the Warehousing Bill.—Ordered to be printed. is DISTRESS IN IRELAND. Mr. VESEY FITZGERALD said that the accounts of the great distress which arrived daily from Ireland, jus tified him io asking of the Right Hon. Gentlemen (Mr. Gon!burn) what were his further intentions as to that country, as well es to the steps which had been already takes. It was unnecessary to say that the simation of that country would admit of no delay.—(Hear.) Great as was the benevolence of the people of England, its objects would not be accomplished if the Government did not lead its aid to carry them into effect.—He wished, the:e fore, that his Rt. Hon. Friend would inform him as to the steps taken for giving employment to theipoer there. He was aware that the intentions of the Irish Govern ment were warm in the cause of relief, but it appeared to him (Mr. Fitzgerald), that to effect that object, they should bare recourse to some more prompt aid imme diate measures.—(Hear.) He hoped his Right Hon. Friend would give him an answer. lir. GOIJUILJRN replied, thetas tothe first question, from the time the Government of Ireland were called upon so iaterfere, a Canareitte was appointed by the Lord Lieutenant to inquire into the state of the distress is the several districts. Certain funds which retained • over since 1817 were also placed at their disposal. This Committee applied itself sedulously to the discharge of its daties ; they eenmanicated with the Committees in She cosaties, and relieved the distress where it sppeared most pressing. Besides measure bed Wee brought forward for employing the poor, by which 50,0001. was placed at thedisposal of the Lord Wideman, to be laid 1 • • I i •, ',' ' ' , 1, • I : ' e • i ' ir 'I I • P THE STATESMAN, out by his wilbeel auy latetibt — reee by Grand Jerky. i Two were reaphysi so lay out chi, money Is the b est . Is sew_ pines the works had Iwo already begun, sail he had is doubt boat that the useativreekeady Is primrose Redd be productive of the peatestrailef. Opel it Se lAA government wee to have si 11110861100.1111.11 t of tdsrwork, so that any ems voted in future by Parliament might be reported sped them.—{ /ear.)—The distress, though great, was ente fined to particular counties. This, however, week; set preclude Parliament from taking further torsearew and when the funds already voted were exhausted. he (Mr. Goolbare) would then deem it his duty to submit such re to the honer as the new ezigescy might seem to demand.—(llear.) Mr. J. SMITa would not deny the existence of the Committee alluded to by the Right How. Secretary for Ireland, but convinced be was that that Committee did not do enougli.(Hear.) The distress in Ireland was of too urgent a nature to be relieved by such measures a. the* had adopted. He was sorry that he had in hie band 4oraments which showed the great and dreadful extremity to which that distress still prevailed. la the county of Clare. from undoubted returns, there appeared to be no less than 99,639 persons existing upon charity. —(lieer, hear.)—lt would cut op and exhaust all the future sources of subsistence and industry. He entirely approved of the project of giving employment to the poor of Ireland. Mr. PEEL observed, that the whole atteotion of the Irish Government was incessantly occupied with this subject. Engineers were already employed. and 60001. were already remitted to the county of - Limerick to sti- mulate the public works carrying on under their &as pires. Haying said thus mach, be should add, that he deprecated any further discussion upon the subject. He thought it one of too much importance to be discussed incidentally. Mr. A BERCROMBY recommended some immediate and prompt measure to relieve distress of so imminent a nature. ROYAL eutteue. Mr. HUME presented a petition from Inverness against the Royal Burgh Accounting Hill.—Laid on the table. Mr. HUME presented another petition from the Trades of Perth, against the Tax on Apprenticeship lo dentures.—Laid on the table. SALT DUTI es. Mr. BRIGHT presented a petition from the Fislimoo germ of IListol, against the Salt Regulations.—Laid es the table. Mr. J. P. GRANT presented a petition from the Coe. poration of Inverness. against the Royal Burghs Bill. The Hon. Member wished to know whether it was the intention of the Learned Lord to bring in this Bill. If he would postpone it for the present Session it would be the g reatest convenience to all the parties who were in terested in it. The LORD ADVOCATE said be considered the Bill of so much importance, that he should be wanting in his duty if he did not press for Its immediately pass ing into a law. The petition was then ordered to lie upon the table. Sir R. FEROUSSON presented a petition from the Borough of !Unborn against the Royal Burghs Ac count Bill. The LORD ADVOCATE moved that the Royal Burghs of Scotland Bill be reccumnitted in a Committee of the whole house. (►n the question being put, Mr. H. DRUSIMOND moved that the Committee be instructed to divide she Bill into two parts if they think proper.—Agreed to. Lord A. HAMILTON opposed the Bill as an usel►ss measure, and not calculated to produce any good effect. —lt was objectionable on every ground, and to all parties. The LORD ADVOCATE was convinced that the Bill was calculated to accomplish all Isis objects, and that without touching on the chartered rights of any body. Mr. J. P. GRANT opposed the Bill. Mr. HUME said he would vote against the Bill, as he was certain it could not afford satisfaction to any party. He would not, however, oppose the Bill, as some of his friends around him were of opinion it would be produc tive of some good. Mr. W. SMITH said, though the Bill did not meet with his entire approbation, there were still some clauses of it in which Ise roomiest. He particularly approved of that clause which imposed a penalty on the Magis trates in cases of mismanagement ; be only wished that a similar restraint was imposed on the Magistrates of English Boroughs, the election of whose officers was as barefacedly corrupt as the election of any Member in that house. Lord BINNING said that the Bill would rectify the existing abuse, and make the Maristrates accountable, without touching the Charter Rights. It would there fore, he contended, be most unjust, when the evil could be otherwise remedied, to alter the Constitution, and make a rails innovation on the charter rights. Mr. MAXWELL expressed his dissent from the prin ciple of she Bill, and thought it would be inadequate to the object it professed t o h ave i n v i ew . The SPEAKER having then left tbe Chair, the House went into a Committee on the Bill. Mr. H. DRUMMOND moved that the first clause of the Bill be postponed, which, as we understood, was agreed to. He also expressed his intention, when they had come to the last three clause■, relative to subjecting the Magistrates to an investigation in the Court of Ex chequer, of moving that they should be postponed, with a view of embodying them in a separate Bill. Sirenl verbal amendments were then agreed to, after some desultory discussion upon each, in which the fol lowing blembers took part, Mr. J. P. Grant; the Lord Advocate. Lord Archibald Hamilton, Lord Binning, Mr. H. Drummond, and Mr. K. Douglas, Mr. Abercomby, and Mr. Home. Mr. J. P. GRANT moved an Amendmeitt, for the better ending of the accounts, on which th4Committee divided. The numbers were—For the Amendment.3s; Against it, 53; Majority against it, IS. On our re-admission to the gallery, we found the Com• mittee going through the other clauses of the Bill. Sir R. FEROUSSON observed that in certain Burghs there were Head Courts which Assembled once a•year, and bad the power of annealing the proceedings of the inferior Courts, and be wished to Infuse whether these Conrts were to be maintained? The LORD ADVOCATE said be did not conceive it necessary to make any provision in the Bill to that effect. Mr. J. P. GRANT then presented a clause to provide that nothing in the Bill should go to affect the juris diction of the Head Court of any Burgh in Scotland. Mr. K. DOUGLAS wished to know what was - the na ture of these Courts? Sir R. FEROUSSON said those courts consisted of the burgesses and heritors of the parish, and they exer cised a most salutary control. Lord BINNING said this clans* was an attempt by a side-rind to do away the provisions of the Bill. Mr. DRUMMOND opposed the clause. Mr. HUME supported it as necessary to preserve the independence of the Burghs where the Coons now ex isted. The Committee divided—For the ohm; 71; Ageing it. 44; Majority, 27. The House resumed at a late hoar. Mr. Beoeostt having left the Chair amidst loud cheering, the Report was ordered to be brought op of Tharsday. • ' . Mr. KXNNEDT postponed the mooed reading of di( 'Scotch Jury Bill to Thursday. Mr. • BROM:WAN postponed his modem, steadies for Thendav, to Monday, i■ consequence of the all Renee of the Noble Marquess, the Secretes' , fur Foreign Affairs. Mr. HOBHOUSE poetpobed his 'station fnr the repeal of the Housi and Window Tax to the 2d of July. COMIONATION axrxxiss. • In answer to a question from Mr. Hums, the CHAN CELLAR of the EXCHEQUER stated, that be wise able to lay before the house a complete Account of the Coronation expenses. It was not his intention to pro pose any vote of money for that account this Sesame The sum already voted was 'efficient to defray the ez- Penne. so far as the accounts bad yet ►eee furnished. rxa BUDGIT. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER gave no tier that en Friday se'nuight be wonid open the Bedget. On the motion of the CHANCELLOR of the EX CHEQUER the House resolved into a Committee. The CHANCELLOR of the F.XCHEQUER moved • Resolution for the advance of 250,140. which, with prior votes, would make as advance in the whole of 400,0001. to defray the Expenses of Public Works in Ireland ; and another Revolution for the advanee of two millions to defray the Expense of Public Works in Great Britain.—Agreed to. The house thee resumed, and the resolutions were re ported. The Warehousing Bill was re-committed in order to have it reprinted, and the Report was ordered to be brought up on Monday. The House then proceeded to dispose di did other orders of the day.—When the paper had bees gone through— The ATTORNEYMENERAL appeared at the with a Bill, which lie moved should be read a first time. The question heinv put, Mr. CREEVET said, "Sir. I know nothing of the Bill which the Learned Gentleman is about to have read a first thr e, but I would suggest that one is'elnek in the morning is June is not exactly the period for bringing any measure before the house a first time." The ATTORNEY-GENERAL explained, that the first reading of a Bill was a mere matter of torm, pre paratory to its printing. As to the Bill itself, it was in tended to repeal an Act of last Session, respecting the sittings of Courts of Justice, the principle of which was already admitted. Mr. CREEVEY—" Sir, there are only nine of as here. When we are full, l believe we ought to muster somewhat about 650. With such a house, therefore, I would again snggest the propriety of not urging the measure for the present." The ATTORNEY-GENERAL again ob d that the discussion was not at all compromised by the first reading of a Bill. The HooottraMe Member, if he ob jected to the principle, might fix any day for discuss ing it. Mr. CREEVEY—" Sir, I have no objection to the principle of this Bill ; I don't know whether it is ob jectionable or not. 1 know nothing about it. But, Sir. what I say is, that the Attorney-General of Enghind, Sir, should bare more regard to the dignity of leis office than to bring in a Bill for the first time to such a house. Whp Sir, there are hereonly nine of us." The .1 1 TTORNEF-GENERAL repeated that this stage was a mere matter of form, and sail he was un able to account for the opposition of the Hononeable Member. Mr. CREEI El —" Sir, I don't like tg count the house, and indeed I defy the lion. and Learned Gentle man to say that there are more than nine of us present. I need not repeat that I know nothing of this measure. and bare therefore nn particular hostility to it. I will confess, however, that I wish the public may see how firings are oninctimee done in this house." The ATTORNEY-GENERAL then postponed his motion, sad moved that the Sill be read a first time this day.—Adjourned at a quarter past one o'clock. PRICE 01? STOCKS. AT ONE O'CLOCK, THIS DAY. Slut Stook `2391 40 India Stock. Spr Ct. Red.. .. ..1911 Ditto Bonds 495. as. p I per Ct. Coos 1 c0r.% See Stor*. , se per Cent OOl 90 Routh Sea Old Ann 4 oerCents... —Oa En. llllolo t I L di,. i s p New Fours 961 , wow. s S per Cent. 1787 --IWO. par Is. dis. tngAns. I mp. S pr Ct... I Con. for Are( SOLI Irian b err Cent teat. Tickets 21/. LONDON: TugsnAT 'vasty°, JUNE IS. 1522. PROCEEDINGS IN PARLIALUENT. In the Lords were read a second time severa l bills repealing the ancient statutes, or in part repeal• ing them, relative to commerce and navigation. These bills we regard as the first step towards the annihilation of the naval power of England. The RICARDOs and the BARING% have prevailed. We are drawing in our horns; very fast becoming a little country; and a war at ten years distance, if this policy could be sur.:red to prevail during the ten years, would find us a help. less mess of traders, wholly incapable of defending ourselves against the jointefforts of America and France. In short, all the sound principles of policy of our ancestors are new to be abandoned f,w the rake of tha t traffic. which it is hoped will yield ns a little some thing to help pay the expenses of this lerriMO time of debt and of the Standing Army which that debt re quires for its collection. Is the Commons, Mr. LITTLITON presented peti tions relative to the paymeet of labourers in kind or in money. It was nonsense, but it t to show to what a desperate state we hare arrived. IVlten le gislators are called upon to pass laws to regulate the erode in which bargaina shall be esecnted between master and man ; and whether they shall he paid in victuals or paid in money, dismal indeed is the state of a country. There was a good deal said about the Srotel, Burgh.. but it was of no importance to the public, as isotbing has been even proposed which, if carried int.. effect would do any good. Mr. paocourite put off his motion upon the anbject of the tiojlaremee of Me Crows until Thursday next. He might as well put it of until the last Thursday of this century unless be mean to be very plido and honest about the kfireoce of 11 , 4 Boroosgh. and t.. show us the healthy effect of this last indorser. esposially in the cams of Winithelsea, Peterborough, Knaresbovougb, Glee, Highaniferrers and miter plasm too numinous to timotioo. I f Mr. SRO: t:uau v . ) - would do this. we should wash bung : if be rtu r . why, then, /idle! The melee (Good Goo!) Is to torso forward, the Cnettatt.t.olt of the Excosouco hopes, nest Friday ge'oolght ; not next Friday as ever is." We had forgotten all abon• budgets. We thought that travail over ter this year. Indeed, we thought that small note project, branch project, and legal tender pessi egt , wee, the only tbiogs that remained to come is, asi t t we were preparing for a trip Into the country. w t .. Mr, Mr. VANSI may pat off as long lob e pleases. lie may wait to see the new stock of emp t _ production come in to Mark lace ; for oar parts we .hall be off and leave his to hie budget sad h:r smoke. A little t►ing closed the night's proceedings aid seems to have given rise to very little in the way of observation. It was a grant of two bowlful aod fifty thousand pounds, making, with the Amos already advanced, four hundred thousand for the relief of the distressed Irish ; but to be lull our in—for IND'S sake, reader, mark the words and never forget them —never forget them as long as you have breath in your body—to be laid out (hear it, Enelishraes, hear it!) 's in promoting the ERECTION OP PUBLIC WORKS!" Anil when these public works shall ha►e been erected, what doubt bale you that impadeut knaves and gaping fools will point to them as indu bitable proofs of national prosperity and icemen of capital !—Not another word need he said: Bedlam never poured forth any t►ing like this. Proofs of national prosperity and increase of capital to he area gratis, arising out of the starvation of the people, and of subscriptions and grants out of taxes, fur the purpose of alleviating the effects of that starvation! K ENTISII MEETING. Our readers in the country will have perceived (these who see them) that the London papers hair pretty generally broke loose upon the Kentish peti tion. They have bellowed out fraud, robbery, plun der, pillage, and we are surprised that they did not go on to murder and rape. Let our readers be lc enaiated with one fact, and that is, that more this nine-tenths of these papers are eseentiallysteck-jobbiag. No 80.11 part of them are aetrally the property of olork-jobbers, and for this reason ; that these mis recants, by the means of false fore;gn news, by their respecting the intentions of the Un•Nrcu.olt of the EietimaVita ; by statements about the paragraphs slipped in here and there, calculated to have an effect upon that infamous thing called the stock-market, by these means, they gain in their stork dealings, and cheat the unwary; and though these latter ought to be cheated, and, indeed, ought to be ruined for having any thing to do with the foods, the conduct of the cheats themselves Is not the less detestable. It is surprising, however, bow feeble have been all their attempts to deny the manly and honest resolution of the Kentish arming; aid they will not be seconded, in this case, by many of the country papers; for, the farmers and lactilords are not to be made to 'relie►e that it is their Inter est to give up their capital and estates to be divided amongst these vermin. The Moruing Chronicle., which, in some clam pureness righ t path, is here jest as perverse as the rest and for much about tbu amp motives. The feet is, that, leaving the gains ofetociujoir bing wholly out of the question, the ftr greater pattof these papers and particularly the .ile and (swain Old Tioors,wonld be totally destroyed by a reductiosi of the interest of the debt. The source that feeds it would be cut off. It is taken by probably more thee half its readers, on account of its intelligetee about stocks and funds and city jot bing. It ►as fallen prodigiously within this twelvemonth ; and it would gn out like the snuff of a candle, if the interest oldie debt were reduced, and if people lived upon their own fortunes and their earnings as in former dwelt.— Amongst the other causes tibia this system of teeing and funding has produced, his been the vast incense of lying newspapers, as war amply shown by that dear youth Lord J. R*.sa•LL, who (Hon bless him !) re garded it as a proof of increase of knowledge; yes. certainly, increase in a knowledge of the art of lying and deluding and cheating; but of no knowledge nseful to man ; and, accordingly. just at the end of the increase, we find Lord CasThEae•ort proposing to set laboure►s to dig holes one day and WI them up the neat, as a remedy fur the want of employment, which went of employment arose out of the tales ; at the end of this vast increase of knowledge, w•e hear a 3lerabrr of Parliament saying that a return to cash payments still produce only a fall of f-or and a half per cent. in the price of produce, and this gains bite the title of oracle amongst his fellows, and especially Given him by another Mernter who was preparing an Education Digest fir the purpos.; of instructing the people t 3 write and read, in order that they might be more capable than heretofore of cutting coppices, making hedges a.td ditches, mots leg ard reaping. and ploughing and thr.eldug. Jost when this increase of knowledge had attained its summit, we heard the Prime Minister, who has been a Ministe.- of some sort or other ever since be was born, ascribing . the dig ' of the country to o►er-production, at the rem moment that it was stated in Parliament, that a mil lion and a half of the people of 'reload wcp; atinalle starving Ur the want of food ; and at the very moment that another legislator, Lawyer Sts MATT, was bringing forward a plan to check the increase of the peopl►. by checking the Increase of marriage•. while other wise men were propesior, to enact a punishment more severe for girls that should hare bastards, and while the Parliament "netnally has imposed a in upon bachelors! lararo, Lord JouN If or had *not Isere, without lengtheuiog ..at the list, proofs enough of the kerelse of knee • it is bard to sly what will satisfy the Wow pliers of the present iloy. However, all earthly thin g s Are doomed to perish, and perish these newspaper , must, if the interest of the debt be reduced. Some of these newspapers yield ten or a dozen thousand pounds • year. Their o • tires an tl know that they exist only by means of the funding sys:eus; and men do not, now-a 414)5. gine op ten or twelve thou sand a year without a Crug,rle. They will •rite and I riat we will warrant them, and keep up ha humbug as long as they can, Let the yeentere he farmers and artless-. who are now so creel, pay .aged by the drosea ; let them do their duty; let them ,ot listen to these interested. hang venders •f news; . and there will Non be an end of every deist • - Elm Wattontan. " TUT BRITISH STATIISMAN" IS INCOSPO 88888 WITH " VI& STATESMAN." £ 4 • l; I