The Statesman. — London, England, 1822-07-09 00:00:00

. t 4 • making any appeal to ;he passions, to a him toward. the object of his address. Ile would merely observe. that the effect of all the outrages, and of the *hole sys tem, was to create a power in the country stronger than the law. It might be said that it was the, dory of the Irish Government to al ply to Parliament for stronc powers at the earliest moments these machination% came tolts knowledge. But he was prepared to contend, that the course premed by the Government of Ireland bad been perfectly consistent with poetice and discre tion. In his opinion, it was the duty of a Government to do its utmost to create and estalifish habits of obedi ence and reverence to the laws ; and if a Government were to resort at the outset of a manifestation of a law less disposition to nneonstitotional 'Wino' trying the strength of the ordinary laws, It would go far to uproot that respect for the laws, upon which the stability of a Government ins great measure depended. In addition to whet took place at the ASeilrl. the Government betel resorted to the use of Special Coup iiiinicms, through whose exertions many offenders were brought to trial. In the counties were outrages most' prevailed. the Special Police who had been fonnd so in effectual, were called into aciion, and the military were increased one half. But all these precautions produced no diminution of the evil, and at the opening of Perlis rent, 'he plot had reached its consummation and was on the eve of explosion. Upon the view of this state of thing% it was that Parliament was induced to grant to the Irish Government those extraordinary powers, of feieh the Insurrection Act was only a part. It was gra tifying for him to say, that there was no longer the same eaten? of evil which then prevailed. There Was in the prieripal disturbed districts a diminution of outrage. There was also, he hoped, some reform in the spirit of the people. There was now, which did Dot then exist, a feclii g of kindness towards this cosotry. arising from her exertions to relieve their distresses, which he hoped to are grow into a feeling of love for the Goverment. — (Hear.)--But he could not avoid impressing upon thee that there was at least enough remaining to call epos them to hesitate before they deprived the Emotive of the means of checking the existing evils, or of preventing the recurrence of the past. It was iesposghle for any * one to have read the dispatches of the Noble Lord at the head of the Irish Government, withotit seeing that them was a regular system of outrage—that outrages were exceedingly numerous, and they were of a charactm most alarming. Arra although thesediepatches did not come down to the latest moment, he wished it were in his power to state that the last accounts did not pregame to the view outrages exactly similar. The dispatches came down to the end of May, and to sbew that the sys tem continued In vigorous operation beyond that petted. he need only state the extent to which it was is saes during the following ten days. During that short spas of time in one county alone there were seven bases burned, nine houses attacked by armed bands, and one subjected to nightly visitation. It was not. however. upon the number of the outrages that he applied to Par liatnent for extviordioary measures. It was on aceseat of the distinctive eliaracte r of the outrages that be called upon the house for additional powers. It. mss impossible not to see, from the character of them, they were not the result of sodden ebullition in ties hs divlduals committing them, hut that they primula from deliberate design. Rubbery, eardlagretles. sad murder followed upon the neglect to obey some. notice not to pay rent, ithes, or taxes. Another distinctive cliaracter was, that certain punishment was inflicted upon any one who was the means ofbringiuganoffendm to justice. It teas the lamentable state of that country t .at the law was put in execution, only at the expellee of the individuals who contributed to it. It freqeeatly happened that the obnoxious witness or prosecutor were sent to the nearest gaol for their security, and the pa pers before the House contained the recital of an In stance in which the house of au individual was attacked, in pursuance of a conspiracy to take his life, the day after be had been sent within the walls of a gaol for . safety. Every attempt to check the ni ghtly meetings , n ithont the operation of this Act wool be ineffectual. This Act ted the offender at his door, and in that respect was a measure of mercy, for it prevented the commission of crime. He called upon the home to give relief to those who required the relief and punishment t., those who deserved it. The Noble Lord at the head of the Irish Government had distinctly stated his opi nion, that there were those who were still sworn in an ticipation of this law being out of force. He knew that individual characters, however high, was no ground of confidence for high and unusual powers. But the neces sity being admitted, and Parliament having already con fided certain powers in an individual, the manner in which lie had discharged his trust mast be a ground of continuance. A Noble Lord had on a former occasion stated that that Nobleman to whom he had jest alluded, had a disposition to arrogate to hinteelfarbitrary powers and therefore no secority was to be placed in him. Agaiast such a charge, it was scarcely possible to de fend any Government ; but there were those on the other aisle of the house, who could hear testimony to the public character of that Nohleinae, and that confidence was due to him.—(Hear, hear, bear.)—lf, therefore, his not having abused the confidence reposed in him was any ground for a further extension of it, he called upon the house to arm with the same powers again. He could not conceive that Parliament would restrict to a short period a power which, when similar dangers existed, seas asked for the purpose of maturing plans,. which had been commenced under the first grant of that power. The Right Hon. Gentleman concluded by moving, that the Speaker leave the Chair. Sir R. WILSON gave full credit to the Right Hon. Gentleman for the conciliatory tone in which he had treated this subject, which he hoped for the benefit of the Irish, be would preserve is all his communications with the Irish Government. He also commended the fair and candid statements he bad made to the !Amite, although it was not in his power epos the strength of them to agree to his motion with regard to the Insur rection Bill. He opposed it. as not calculated to 'A uto that tranquillity spoken of by the Right Hoc Gentleman; but, on the contrary, to remove it to a greater distance. He knew that it was right in eases of a tire, to take immediate steps to extinguish it; bat he thought some attention was to be gives to the mean, of preventing its recurrence. Ile begged fur himself to say, that he had none of that distrust of the Noble Lord at the bead of the Irian Government spoken of by the Right Hun. Secretary. He thought lens a compe.! tent and amiable individual. Hot they were to bear in Mind that the inquiry item the state of that unhappy ' country had never yet been entered into. The Right ' H en. Gentleman, however, now came down to the House to demand a contingence of the tremendous en. &mutate of this Bill. It was true that he gave them up the suspension of the Habeas Corpus Act; but that was nothing when they considered that it required at all, sod was silly demanded la the last of power, and granted is the waotootiess of confidence . His objection went to the principle of the Bill, which. be thought, was a subversive of the rights of Irishmen, sad a violative of that Coestititioe which was the only safeguard of their liberty and their live,. He knew. however. that brute fore. was considered the only if. etediget,ir of reenlist is Ireland. lie re. esembered whoa be was in inland. is forgoer doges. seeing a mita au flogged, front the saps of his melt to the calves of his legs, for being only sarpected edbolsg la United Irishman. as to. horrify homanity. He •mbould not have possessed the (renege of a man bad he not interferes' on that oecasioe, sod his only sumer .as, that lie en Englishman, knew not how to pion Irishmen, that the or the baiter wen the only instruments of puoisbasoet to treat them with. It had always been the practise of his Majesty's Go vernment to pass coercive measures for Ireland, wader promises of inquiry, and never to perform them.— rbis bed been the case since 1798 to the present time. The time was come when Ireland mast be g ed as if its people were freemen, instead of conquered vas sals. Though be could not expect that any success ful resistance to the measures of the Goverousest would be made by the Irish in a servile war (and be was certainly the last man to wish it), yet he would advise the Right Hon. Gentleman and his Col leagues not to treat with too mach contempt the cows plaints of the sod' . He warned them against taking a course which would call forth the energies of despair, and wished them to bear in mind what a Noblesse had told Charles 1., namely, that the way to cure rabidness, was to remove the causes. It was necessary that healing measures should be adopted with respect to Ireland: — The first remedy to be applied was a termiaatios of those civil and religious distinctions which bad waist* bees kept up in that country, and which bad proved o COIF SUM soiree of exasperation: He knew it wield be said that the Engtish House of Commons bad deem its ditty on this subject, and that the obstacle was to be (sand elsewhere. But be could not help looking on that por tion of the Ministry Who favoured Catholic Emaaciper Hon, as being the real impediments is the way of ale measure. If they had refused to reveals in tbitiovsem went when it failed, could any man believe that as Anti-Catholic Administration could have boos lemon The difficulties which had formerly stood in the way were no more. It was known what were the eentimeset of his present Majesty on this subject, and them; wen was a time when a King of England amid he awe reasonably expected to say as Joseph 11. did, " Thank God m' people are no longer divided by rellgioas allow races: The next remedy be regarded as ais gee non. It would apply to that which had orassimend -oE the disturbances sod rebellions in Ireland. ' l'ko iota would easily anticipate that he meant the abed*. er tithes, and the establishment of a new regulation of di revenues of the Church. He regretted that be had bees absent when his Hon. Friend, the Member for Moth trose. took up that subject. He contended that it was monstrous to contend. that church property was so Me end in its character. that it could not be regulated when this was desirable for the well being of the Stab. He spewed that Parliament bad twice applied for area arrangement of church proper!) , in the time of IV. They had done the same in the time of lis l. e:y7 and the property of the church was Actually takes by the Crowa in the time of Henry Vlll.—(Hen.) drama might cheer at the name of Henry Vlll,llmt whatever they might think of his seizure of the chug., property„ be bad never fonnd those who beh= .6. 100,11 1 of the 3110.011 W. bestowed by him is lay i0n. 22 . disposed to stew that they considered that std eet sacrilege, by giving up their emoluments. iniogdma times be contended, measures bad been praised as Pediment to make a new regulation in matters re garding the property of the church. What was the origin of tithes? He would not sow go book to the Jewish Theocracy to enquire into their character; bat the house was aware that tithes had been granted to the Hoag. of Levi because they were priests and guardians of the Ark, and had not shared in those lauds which had.been divided among the other tribes of Israel. To come to a later period, who would pretend that tithes had been known during the first four hundred years of the existence of the Christian Church ? It was not till the year 800 that they were introduced. They were than introduced by crime. The King of Marcia having committed a treacherous murder, obliged the people to pay tithe* to the church. He also went to Rome to ex piate his offence by offering a tribute of a penny exacted from every householder. He 'hewed that the circuit 'tames under which tithes had been formerly claimed were very different from those under which they were sow levied, as many onerous duties then fell on these who received them, from which they were now relieved. I The Bishops now bad princely fortunes. The four Archbishops and eighteen Bishops now in Ireland re ceived not less, according to returns, which be believed to be authentic, than 188,000/., without reckoning on leases of tithes and sources of increase, which bad enabled one Bishop to die worth SWAIM who had little property when he went to Ireland. Nov without taking from time present incumbents the income they at present enjoyed, be to be the duty of Parliament not to commit an act of spoliation, but to make some arrange ament which would be more agreeable to the people, and place the security of the country on the rock of peace. .He set forth the Importance of conciliating the people of Ireland. For the Protestant School they at present granted the sum of 18,7001. For the Irish Catholic School they gave 9,6001. He did nut quarrel with the disparity between the sums, but he remarked on the vote to the Kildare Association, which went to defect the object of time grant be bad just mentioned. He thought we were bound to respect the privileges of the Catholics. If they objected to the Bible in English being intro deced for the instruction of Catholic youth, no constraint ought to be net on them in this particular. In every respect attention ought to be paid to the wishes and habits of this.king of the Irish. He was anxious that justice should be done to a brave and generous nation, who would not fail to repay their benefactors with loyalty and gratitude. After some further reuiarks, be con cluded by moving as an amendment--.. That it be an instruction to the Committee to investigate the causes of, the present disturbed state of Ireland, with a view to adopt such measures as were calculated to restore and preserve tranquillit y in Ireland, and render tr.necessary those- measures of extraordinary ity. which were alike incompatible with the spirit and the practice of the British Constitution." Mr. L. CONCANNONT opposed the motion. Colonel DAVIES was of opinion that an inquiry into the State of Ireland ought to be instituted ; hut as be could not oppose the motion, be hoped he might be al lowed to explain the considerations which regulated his vote on this occasion. He was far from approving the system on whirls the present Government had acted; yet he thought this no reason why the p bly dis posed people of Ireland should be left exposed to the assassin's midnight dagger. When the Govern ment demanded such powers, as they now called for at the commencement of the Session, they held out a pro mise that an inquiry should be set on foot. He now de sired to ask why t h at inquiry had not taken place? In failing to institute one they had been remiss. Ile then Ilt&e.ed time reiluudant population found in Ireland, and the demoralization consequent thereon, and sup:rsted as a means of correcting it, the reformation of the elec tion system. Mr. S. RICE saw no grounds for hoping that the present disturbances coalsi be successfully met mm .tbout the aid of the Insurrection Act. The question had been introduced in the most favourable manner by the plain, intelligible, and candid statement of the Right lion. Gentleman. Against that he had nothing to say; but in assenting to the uieasure now before the house, he had a duty to perform which be felt to be more painful than that which bad devolved upon him when the sub. jest was last before tb. house; for then, though be would sassy that splodge had been given by the Noble • • . r . Maapteee that inerdry Mould hike place, pet be •. asset diet the iseprredee created both it that hon. and sat el doors, was that so *airy would take place with a view of ratios at the root of the evil. One hem bad bees gins to Wind la the comae of tbr wmest Susan by the repeal of the Window Tax, Ist be called ea the Rightliss. Gentleman to name any .elier.pereeneet basalt that had been conferred on Ire ' Mi. ilia heeteekoee of she House bad voted a some is poem 4111“01111. but this was only temporary . . sad wield it be sossesded that the present Bill be viewed es a remedy to the evil it was istesiled OIP 'mid/ He thought so gvntlesnas .is that House Woad 'Mime to assert that sash was its character. The Mies aft Modified salt sow was. be thought would le alleehibil, but a mere measure of police, and an in s/Meet measure with respect to tytbes were not what Ilettleallimi le expect from the new Government—were net heleisspellise the country. When the tura ewnwwws bemsßht leeward before, they passed it in the tr that remedial measures were in contemplation, hut acrd meagre grounds on which it was now that it Mould pass, were such that be was 'lle similar grounds might be urged for its passing et alai* soy time. He found the dispatches of Itilti. on whlell similar steps were taken. to be very different ham this. which were now laid before the House. He, for ose s objected to anonymous information being re waived. PM his own part, as a Magistrate, be had al ways been anxious to take epee himself any respesi• Miter that might attach to the information be foe warted. or the recommendations which be thought it Idwdity to offer. Hs objected to that part of the pre seat Bill which west W, deprive Ireland of trial by jury. God forbid that he should deny the Government these powers which were aecessary to meet an extraordinary eesergeskey by interposing a constitutional principle. leat hissaistaised that in this instance no case had been made eet to prove that the step proposed to be taken was necessary. The Juries had not failed in their duty. At Limerick they had bad the experience of two Special Osnimissioee, and he appealed to the Right. Hon. Gen *mu opposite. the Attorney-General for Ireland. if Ills es them seder circumstances of alarm, which might bare operated not merely on weak minds. but on see of eoestessey and courage, had not discharged their duly with the moat undaunted resolution ? He was trto resolve the Right Hon. (lentleman's assent, male seek circumstances he would ask by what dale meld Weep deprive Ireland of the advantages of trial by jeep? The evils now complained of is Ireland were net peculiar to the present times. They grew out of the system which had been acted upon for the last 49, 50, or 60 years. They would find that the outrages committed were not new, bat that they were similar to those which had occurred from 1640 to 1650. He repeated. that little or nothing bad been done in the preen* Sessions for the permanent improvement of ',Timed. 00e soden brought forward on the state of trollied lei his objected to on the gronod that it was pre. severe. and that the House ought to wait till they sew what Ministers proposed to do. They had on that account not pressed the motion to a division—they bad waited to see what Ministers would do, and they now saw that they had done nothing. The motion on the subject of the tithes had been met with the previous question. He could tell Ministers, that if they expected fifty Insurrection Acts would remedy the evils com plained of they deceived themselves. lie beggod to call the attention of the House to what Lord Bacon had said oa the subject of Ireland. There were four Feints which be had described as necessary to be attended to, in order to restore Ireland to °Wiener. and he calledl on the house to observe what these ionr points were.' The first was " to extinguish the relics of the late war." The second, " to attempt the recovery of the hearts of the people." He would ask if that bad been done by any of the administrations that bad ruled Ireland since the Union? He had much respect and regard for many who bad formed part of those Administrations, but he lallest say that scarcely a single measure that had been adopted which seemed to have for its object the recovery of the hearts of the people. The third point to be at tended to, according to Lord Bacon, was " to remove the root of the past and the occasion of new troubles." He would ask if any of the remedial, or nominally re medially measures which had been resorted to were cal culated to root oat the cause of the troubles which bad ,occurred. The fourth point. which wept to the encou raging of plantations and buildings, was less applicable to existing circumstances, but it was analogous to . en courage the manufactures and give a new impulse to the ludestry of Ireland, and in this view it was not inappli cable to the present time. lie then went over the means suggested by Lord Baton for the recovery of the hearts of the people. These were the granting of religious liberty, including toleration, justice, protection, and the equal administration of the law, and obligation and re ward. lie did not mean to say that justice was unfairly or partially administered, but the expense attendant on legal proceedings in Ireland amounted in many cases to a denial of justice: and the want of a le gal homed) sensed many of those acts of violence whin occurred. He knew a case where a person dying left another 151. or 201. The executor of the will got the propert' into his possession. The legatee applied to the Assistant Barrister of the lower Court to recover it. He stated that he bad so jurisdiction in cases of legacy. The other then got a promise from the executor, and afterwards on this promise again called for the interference of the Assistant Barrister. He, however, still declared that he could out act. The prosecntlog party then gave the affair a criminal turn, and almost produced a breach of the peace in order to try a civil question. That was very CSJUMOS in Ireland. The peace was often opealy broken in order to determine in a Criminal Court the merits of a case which ought to be the subject cf a civil action. The law of wager of battle had bees repealed. hut it was In effect continued in Ireland by the Steep Acts. The Irish Gentry had been blamed for not Im proving their country. But the fact was, their efforts had always been frustrated by the Chancellor of the Ex chequer of the day. He showed the progress of crime had been in proportion to the increase or decrease of taxation. He considered it in vain to attempt to put down illicit distillation, but by diminishing the tempta tion to commit the offence. He protested against sus pending the right of Trial by jury.—The Magistrates of Limerick wished the Bill to by renewed, but desired that it might be altered in this respect. They wished le give efficiency . and strength to the Bill, by making it more constitutional. Their oppo.ition, he thought, was en mancot fehromer g netinehntre.cpo, m anner en titled to the serious attention of P..rllarstent. The in struction offered by the Gallant Officer went to recom mend an icquiry, in order so ascertain whether less se vere measures tui tt lit not be adopted. lie was inclined to found the remedies lie would apply to Ireland on mut sures of conciliation. This lie wished to keep in view. though be tutzlit feel the Insurrection Act to be neces sary, a . I 0 ith. that feeling lie should vote for the amendment. . . Mr. PEEL said that he wes convinced that the senti ments of the Bon. Gentleman who had last spoken were infinenced by the sincerest regard for his country ; and that his warmth, however far it might have occasionally carried hies, procre.led from the brat motives.—(Htar.) —With respect to the powers intrusted to the Noble Lord at the head of the Irish Government, they were niintl iiotcurryns eo i . n fe i oitnho which le,tau sn Habeasel ie s e i...(.. e n e . e oci Gentleman Corpus n s rt e d . i _e a is h i i s nn tphheseedr enteros a i -, most wisely used, and be sincerely thanked that Noble. pus Act was re Live That n quired solely from a beat for power; but that assertion was now proved to be netounded, when at the end of 5 months its renewal was not demanded. The headof the Irish Administration was responsible not only for the tranquillity of the State, but for the safety of the lives and fortunes of the people. An Hon. Gentleman oppo site said that one reason which prevented his agreeing to the renewal of the Insurrection Act was, that there had been no inquiry into the state of Ireland. He would . ask was the way he himself pursued the proper mode of making an effectual inquiry 1 Was the house deficient on any of thereat points of Catholic Emancipation—. of tithes—or of education ? The 6rst had been under the most serious .lelilwrition when the friends of the measure bad branclit it 'efore their notice. As to the tithes, be himself had spent the grfwer part of two Sea 'Joy. in a Committee upon the subject. Another Hon. Gentleman kid proposed. as his measure of relief, a re. peal of the Enloe. Conti he seriously ask them to eh.. late that solemn compact? He would ask Lim to deli , Iterate upon it for some time, and then think on the in reliable eonserpiences to be d.rivsal from it. With res. pert to the unfortunate scarcity which had for souls time prevailed, be was satisfied that the Government had acted wisely in not making early public declara tions of it. They conk' not without great delicacy in terfere, and subject a whole people to gratuitous relief. —(Hear.)—lt would not become them to prevent the exhibition of the benevolence which had been directed towards them. If they bad employed the people on the public works, the consequence, it was feared, would be that they would leave their potatoes untitled to receive the daily wages of their labour. and, perhaps, occasion a renewal of that scarcity. An floe. Gentleman had mixed op the question of education with the present debate, although it was to be brought separately before the house in the course of a few evenings. He said that he had derived great assistance from one of the ablest advocates of Christianity upon the subject. Dm [ be (Mr. P.) MLA obliged to confess that, with all the at tention he could bestow on the work of the author al laded to, be could not understand it. One of the sen tences he would repeat to the house: " It would suite all the chance and canticlen." I Sir R. WILSON interrupted the Hon. Member. and said the word was ••cliaunto," not "chance."—(A laugh.) Mr. PEEL resumed—He would take the amendment as he received it. Well then. •• The chaunts and can ticle. of all ages with the fruits and "lowers of all sea son."—(Loud and continued laughing.)—The Insurrec tion Act was necessary for the safety of Ireland ; and when he was asked was it intended as a substitute for all conciliation, he answered decidedly not. It was net a measure of coercion desirable to the Government ; it was one to them of painful necessity for the tranquillity of the country, not only of protection to the high and wealthy el , but to the peaceful and industrious classes of the community. He trusted that the house would not, after the papers which had been laid before it, and the despatches from the !Mali Government, let the next winter pass over without tome memmetsagive semidry to the innocent.—(Hear.) Sir R. WILSON explained. that he did sot glee the passage alluded to as the words of a philosopher. hut as an extract from the work of &foreign antliorofcelebrity, the great Champion of Christianity and of Divine right in both Church end State. Mr. PEEL said that the Honourable Member should liareeither quoted the original, or given the name of his author: Mr. J. SMITH said, that if inquiries had been made into the state of Ireland. they had only been attended by the result of insurrection and famine. That country Lad been always governed by a system of coercion, and its Mal grievances had never been attempted to be re dressed. Even for the sake of novelty, they might make the experiment of a little kindness towards the peopled Ireland. They could not make their situation worse, or [ produce worse consequences; for under tie exhale( mime Ireland had been a burden to this country ea• thee than all assistance. He could not consent to ift such a power to the Magistrates of Ireland as this ME would place in their bands. The situation of Indeed was now more deplorable than that of any people is lbe history of Europe. He should oppose the motion. Mr. DENNIS BROWNE rose to correct a misunders standing of what he bad said upon a former occasion, relating to the distress in Ireland. What he did say was, that the causes consisted not in a want of provisions. but in money to purchase them. Sir J. NEWPORT gave a reluctant assent to {the en newel of the Act ; and lie trusted that the house would only do that under a pledge of limiting its extent to as early period of the next Session. Ile hoped that the Id of May would he the latest time at which it should cola be brought forward, if, unfortunately, that should be necessary, so far as the subject to receive the attendee of a house not constituted like that which was to be found at the end of a Session. It was not to lumina. ' lion Acts that they must look fcr removing the evils with which Ireland was afflicted. It could only be dens by fully inquiring into its condition, and altering Me system under which they had growl. up. He no one would be bold enough to libel the people b ore lanai so far as to say, that it was some deformity in their nature which prevented their observance of law es il was observed by the people of England. They wren. spected in other countries; and they conducted dor selves with honour, and attained the highest station nl rank. It was at home only that they were diabolismh ed and degraded. Lamenting excessively the as site for supporting this Act, he must say that all Mllle valued the peace and tranquillity of Ireland would FRP sue the same course. No one could feel more duple than he did the pain of shutting out his country free the pale of the British Constitution. Mr. PLUNKETT said lie entirely concurred with the Right Hon. Baronet who spoke last that dihrelniinte could not be justified on any other principle tempt did of extreme necessity ; and he assured his Right . Sim Friend, that it never entered into the contemplanes d the Irish Government to make this a permanent OW . sure; on the contrary, sanguine hopes were enteritis's@ that it would not be necessary to continue it longer then after the next Session of Parliament. The may this Bill was also necessary, as a 111C41111,0 that evvsld * able the Government to consider of the best meow d consulting the future interests of Ireland. If there ern any part of the world which inure than another hal made a rapid progress in improvement in arts. sciences. and civilization, it WAS Ireland. All the penal laws were removed ; and the restraints which existed in our cope coerce 40 years ago, were entirely .!one away; and weir this was no proof that the state of Ireland was neelectg 4 by the Governitieet. There never had been any indigo sition on the part of the Government to neglect the state Of Ireland. .Aa to Catholic Emancipation, be must siu• what he had often said before, that this toast ultimatelt be the prime step to the salvation of Ireland;—(his bear)—bnt no prio.sition for Catholic Einaucipalias could base ary eliect in putting an end to the evil' 411101 this hiell was intended to remedy. When t Present Lord Lieutenant arrived in Ireland, he (mei Rebelliou staring hiui in the f ; and was that a site &don in which the subject ot tytlere, alluded to t night, was to he taken exclusisely into consideratios• I'he Hon. Member for Moat.ose advanced 'octet with regard to tythes, which carried with them That vasion ot all pi..perty; for if toe property of the Che was once attacker, the same principle which mune the one, would also sanction an attack upon tie f 'solder, the landlord, and every species of Such doctrines were at variance with every ^ imi 'pun which the security of property depen d • regard to what had falls front the Ilea. Member tk \