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LAW lATELLIGAACA. proving his proceedings from the time at which they could also prove the Defeo.hoot O'Bo yen was intimate with him The Learned Counsel here went over the public eircumstauces which tainted, when all the different placards were put forth, and cmicluded by stating, that amongst other evil comm. queue s resultluz from these proceedings of the Defend. eats, 'list which might naturally be expected had ensued, and further restraiusta uu the press and on public meetimts had been imposed by the Legislature ; and to which inauy persons had probably given their support ens lIPCIIIIOI of these publications, which were truly licentious, and fur that end they probibly were put forth. After the passing of these Bills, the labooirs of Mr. Franklin were siirtosoided for • long period of time, till the arrival of her I Majesty is this country, when he again put himself in mats.,,, and it was by • hill which he published respecting the Queen's Plate Committee that led 11P the detection of all his procieditogs. Arthur Seale Examine by Mr. WILDIL .-Mitnege is a printer, living in Tottenhani-eutirbroad. 12a knelt Me- . waigiarriame did business for him first In ley ./11118, whoa he pointed somor-bills fur hint ; he continued In print fur him ions mud placards at different period, from that lime down to the 10.1 i of October last. Ile always called him Mr. Oliver; he did not know his name wine Fletelser till afterwards; tee proved that lie printed bills or placard. fur Mr. Fletcher, one parcel of 400, just before the meeting at Sonithfio Id, at which Mr. Hunt presided ; another parcel just before a con. tested election fur laird Mayor of London, in 1810; •n -oilwr parcel joist before a IV...misstate meeting, called after ,be affair at Manchester; another on the ()cession of • pub. he meet tor,auil the •ppodutmesol oof a Committee fur lees iving subscriptionell3 provide her Maj. sty with it am vice of Plate. The do fferent bills were read by the Officer of the Cony' ; they were all gernitme to the different circumstance: of the times when painted. They pretended to come from reformeu, •nol the language was, sot all of them, of the most steal gerated and inflammatory tendeury. In March 1820, be proved having printed Arty copies of s letter addressed to the Jory at Leicester, appointed to toy Sir Francis Burdett, On that occasion be asked hlr. Fletcher what utility there could be in sending them so the Jury? Fletcher replied, that the trial was • mere sham; the matter was all settled, and Sir Francis Burdett would be sure to be cast. The ma. ouseripts Mr. Fletcher always took away with him, carrot one which bad beets read in Court. Mr. F. told him that he should be moult employed, and that be had Notliiiig to bar, as hr should he einpleyed on 'wilting but what was proper. Wheu he brought the last hill, he told him in • few days be should bring me m.e 01 , 11 . 11 he sidled nobody to insult but myself. Oii Ilse 20th of July 1819, Mr. Fletcher came in • chariot to fetch some bill, away. The chariot stopped 'boat seven Louses off from witness's house. lie went out whilst Mr. Fletcher was waking fur the hills to take the number of the rota), and saw in it an elderly Gentleman, whom lie hail since loaned was named Deois O'Bryeis. Witness knows H•ocklev, he was at witness's louse 8113 Oast day, be sent fur him id watch Mr. Fletcher. lie taw him again on 24th September last, he said he had Isom at Peiersbeio gh, and again 301 h September, tendon 2,1, 4th, and 10th October. He (witness) shelved copies of the hill about the Queeu's plate to an individual, snit afterwards saw Mr. Charles Pearson ; he came to his house for the pur. pose of seeing Fletcher. He saw Mr. Fletcher there un Ist or 4th °elitism last ; witness pointed him out to Mr. Pearson. rail, and a servant came Into the area, and Mt. Inetcher said, " Betsy, let me in." He went in, and witness went away. Cross-examined by 31r Statue/T.—Mr. Fletcher stapled shout ten minutes at Seale's, and then went to the coach where Mr. Fletcher got in. • He iltioks it was a roach. He did nut take the number, per diet he see any body come to titre it. He went en Matiotay, because Mr. P told him lie had latter Fee ogelee the gentleman. When Mr. Pearson told him so, he was then riding in a coach with Mr. Pearsun and Mr. Seal.. He told them both to go. Re.e.ensained by Mr. Peansois.—lle is almost certain it was a chariot in which Mr. Fletcher came to Totteuhans coact-road. Sink Hadrian /err/feed Si 31r. Wrene.—Was in err vice of Mr. O'Bryen from .I•taimo y, 1910, to January, int. Mr. O'llryen told her Mr. Forties was a Goried of his : he considered him as one of the family; he frequently came to the house. Slue heard Mr.O'Brytin eel) Mr. F. Fanklen.Mr. Forbes had sous who Came ther gated went deb Ukase of fletclber. Her master OlirP gave tier a riewspaper to tar totality draw ing room to Mr. Franklin ; she weed there and found Mr. Forbes. Since Mr. Pearson as arched the house, she men tioned it to Mr. Bryeu, that he bed called Mr. Forbes," Feral:- hie," and he raid " Yes." The two son., the wsfr, sod elangli. tees, visited at Craven-r o wel, noel were called Franklin; the sons weer called Fletcher. When Mr. Fletcher call. e 1 he ass occupied its writing generally, and so also was her master. Remembers two geotlemeso calling to inquire for Mr. Franklin in October last ; her masher was at dingier, and she rent fur him by the boy, and the auswer brought was, be did not (wet any such person there; be was not respected then, as he had bees there the same day. Mr. O'Bryen told her he expected Mr. Forbes to dine with him on the Sunday following. Mr O'llo yen asked her re peatedly what appearance the Gentleman had who called; but it was so dark she caul , ' not well see him, and he aske d her particularly what the Gentleman said more than once. H. members going to t.ed on the Silt October, leaving a good fire and a cleats health; nobody but Mr. O'Bryen was op when she went to bed. leo the inure,. log the found a quartlity of buriit paper under the stove. It was entirely consumed. The family cuusisted of her master, herself, stool the boy. She has sow left his service. Cross examined by Mr. Seancerv.SllC war dismissed by Mr. Oltryen eau 2.1 Jan. last. She weal to Mr. Harmer's @Afire, to et coterie her vrogra, sod there she tort Mr. Pearson, soil stayed with him about half alt hour. Site did nut go 111 fore the Grand Jury. Ou the Elth October lest, whet, she went to bed, lore master was in the parlour, mod also in Lis dressing-room; lee orates in his dressing-roman a good deal of nights. Le examined by Mr. Mime—Mr. O'Bryen aisreted her not to till any site her name; that was wisest Mr. Pearrem was going to prefer a bill of indectme cat against Mr. Frank lin. She at for • character after she left Item. The fires in the do e , sing.toons were tiot so roinvenient for burning a quantity of papers as the Ititch-n fire was. Wm. Turner, j.mrueymato to the wituess. Seale, confirmed hia testimony as 10 proofing dm bills. Charles Pearson, examined by Mr. PEADSON.—This wit. ness is Attorney in the cense. He proved on the 4th Oc tober last tracing Mr. Fietchor from S. to 21, Craves. street, where he weal in—and tbewitneso afterwards. through the pothole-window, saw him talking ha Sir. O'llrycn.— Watneaa afterward , . hart Fletcher taken tip, seder a warrant from Bow•sireet, but he escaped from thence. Wailes' ef termites). itectoupautell au officer to h Mr. Oltryett'e ',Now fee him, **ten Mr. Orin rtir Am** MI kweriviedge tR Fianklio, even after witness had folly described him, and stated to Mr.O'Bryen that he had min bias in cutiversatiou with him. was, whether excessive increase or dimiiiiiptied' consumption was the main cause of that tree*, the existence of which he was ready to allow in re great many different parts of the country.— . With this stew of the question had lie ',repo% d himself with iiiformation, which lie would t slid by submit to ete House. As to the pt . ).- duce of agriculture, and the consumption of bread throughout the whole country, it intuit al ways lac difficult to venture on soy calculatiou • suppo.ition of the real sate of the case, on ac count of the very great difficulty of obteining iu forinstiou which could be safely relied on. It yrs. ' almost impossible to procure a sufficiency of tivel- • ligence to warrant confidence i•i any infereece Which could be draou (rain it ; there were n o *means but those of getterel calculation to grouud• air opinion upon. Seine portions of gram and Moor hecame objects of public accounts ri to the effect of exporting and importing. Tliese were other quantities respecting the consump hoe, of which Government were enabled to obtain exact information ; but these taken al together were of small amount, compared with the general consumption of bread arid tiJur by the • pupula . i oo , respeetiug which none but the most general informalion could be obtained. — . - r From the mode of collecting the revenue of thesis ki , grlion., it wus in the power of Government to arecpere exact information on the curisenopeol of all the great brunches of commerce comprising the articles which wildly related to the means or existence. The system of Excise duties gave them an opportunity or ascertaining not only the coo gumption fur the current period, but also to com pare with perfect exactness in the operation, arid of coididence iii the result, the consumption of voions period., and to determine with 'toques tionaltle accuracy the average consumption of any given number of years. True it wa., that the accounts orderlies bring taken iu money, there might be s variation in the relative value of commerce, COURT OF IRMO'S BENCH, .• 4 WCDMISDAY, FEBRUAIRY 21. • $e ere the LORD CHIEF JUSTICE and Special Juries. THE KING R. JOHN HUNT. Mr. SHEPHERD opened the pleadings. This sa'n's au information filed against the Dtretidattt, as printer, publisher, and sole proprietor of The Examiner newstriper, for a libel on the House of Common., published to that paper on the 24th July last. The ATTORNEY-GRERRAL st.'ed the case to the Jury. Ile said that he did not deny the tight of Flnglitthmest to courses political oseasmears, and am long as it was confined within proper limits he was the last man to institute any proceedings. But when he came - to read the patinae on which this prosecution wits founded, he was satisfied they would agree with him that the Defendant, so far from confining himself within the bruits of free discus sion, bad indulged in so gloss and foul a calumny, that it was impossible for him, in the situatious which he filled, to overlook it. The Learned Gentleman here rend the passage on which the information was founded. It a.ated—., " That bad the voice of the Btitish people been properly echoed in the Commons House or Parliament, it would have told Lord Caitleresgh that if his Royal Master had any du sweNie differences to settle, the purr CUllfil were opeu to him, but that Ike nation could nut suffer its business to be suspended for such emlous. This is what a true Cumniuns House would have said; hot when the House Caleilbill of venal horoughniongers, greedy adventurers, placetneu, awl aspiring title•huntere—a body, its short, which contains a greater number of public criminals than public guardians, what better can be expected than what we have seen r" It was not necessary fur him to make ally corn mesa on what he hid read; if the Jury were tint, by the bare reading, satisfied that it was a sedi tious libel, and calculated to bring the House of Cornettist's into contempt, nothing that he could pay would have that effect. A Posen front the S. amp Office put is a certi fied copy of the Defendant's affidavit as printer, publisher, and proprietor ; and also the paper of the 24th July, 1810, in witch the alleged libel appeared. The Defendant then rose, and read to the Jury • long written defence, in which he attempted to justify the publication in question, on the ground of the notoriety of the truth of the description which lie had given of the House of Commons. He also quoted the authority of Lord Chatham, Mr. Burke, and Mr. Pitt, besides living names of high rank, who had used language equally stroug with that which he-bad used, when the? had stated the necessity of a reform in the representatioil of the people. He also quoted largely from the diary of Lord Nlelcombe, relative to a tiegociation that Nobleman had with the Duke of Newcastle whilst he was Prime Ministry, respecting the return which lie expected for sex votes which he could command in the House of Commons. Ile contended that bad it not been for the labours of a series of what the existing Government called seditious men. the English people would not at this time have beets aim better off than the Austrians were at the pre sent moment. In conclusion he called upon the Jury to repulse the Attorney-General mid his toasters, and not grant a verdict which would de nounce a man for uttering an opinion known to be trite. He expressed no doubt that the cause of reform would be benefited even by his conviction. It washy no means necessary that sr humble indirt• dual like himself should rennet.' in the quiet pos session of his fire-side comforts, but it was neces sary that men should always be found in Eirglatul who would make a firm stand for public liberty. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL replied. After which The LORD CHIEF JUSTICE charged the Jury. Ibis Lordship said, that, generally speaking, he should say that it was open to all men to discuss openly the measures of Government or the conduct erf aftein, but they most take care to conduct the tliscussioir in a fair argumentative manner, and with a due regard to decency. Ihe question for the Jury bele was thus—" Is this slander at,d calumny, or is it reasoning ?" it was t barged in the informa tion as tending to bring the House of Commons into hatred a n ti contempt, and he was 110111111 to give it am his upsilon that the publication was of the nature represented in the information. That was his opinion, hut it wart for the Jury to exercise their own reason stud judgment, sod decide according so their conscient es. The only way to maintain the freedom of the peels was by coeckiug and restrain ing its Iteentionaness ; for it would he found that if it were possible for the tires* to obtain a victory 4 ter the law, it' had thereby only gained a victory user itself. The Jury retired for about an hour and a half, , when they returned into Court, and one of the taleamen (their were two on the Jury) uddressiog his Lordship, ei•hed to know whether malice was ur wens not essetitiul to the crime of libel ? Ills Lordship 'Wird. that where any act was 4 . lLN:tamed to produce no unlawful effect, there malice was iintilted by the law. The Jury again retired, and in half an hour rßer returned a terdict oh Cathy. Crosivearavitned by Mr. ReafttarT—Hs first 'corned Mr. Fletrher's name irons Mr. Pearson; always brfure called him Oliver to hia tam He is am paid foe sew sof aim work yet; Finches. told witness he was einptoyed by hinsyllitutsch the means of Lord Bathurst and Mr. Canning. lie printed a libel iu the year leo2, and was imprisoned fur it. He went one day this weds to ascertain if the person he saw in the chariot was O'Bryen ; in comm.. sation with Mr. Pismo, he meutioorci to him that he thought it prudent to go to O'Brytts's that hr might be positive. Mr. Rookie, went with him on Monday last about haltpast three o'clock. He walked up sold down Craven-street till five o'clock. He saw Pearson, and was waiting from hstf.past ten till past three o'clock with him. He first saw h.in at the Fountain law King-street, Long-acre, and might slay with him 410111 all 111111 r. Horkity was at the Fountain usi Monday ; *cut from thence in a carriage to Norfolk street ; waited there fur some time, and then went with Hue kley to Craven-street, where th• y saw Mr. O ' Bryril gel out of his eat smige and go Mtn his own house, be recognised him hitn.elf with.iat Hinkley pointing I out. lie watched Fletclio r once go to Downing. street in a coach. He saw him go to Load Siduwutli s Office more than once. On his crops-examination by Mr. Gurley, he said there was a *virile, ipt ion fur carrying un this prosecution. Ho had rep rived 60/i Edward Spragg was servant to 111r.0`11ryen from August 182010 January 1921. Hr knew a person named Forbes called en iiia master, though he had since lesrued from Mr. O'Bryen that his real traitor was Fletcher. Witness need to carry papers for his master to the Morning Poet, and his master cautioned him not to let any body know what he had gut. James Prior was servant to Mr. O'Bryen in 1919 sad 1820. He has retried both parcel.; and letters to Mr. Frank lin at Slaida-hill. The core fur the prosecution being closed, Mr. SCARLETT rose and addleased the Jury fur the Defendant: he cons mented, with his wonted ability, on the inciraclusive nature of the testimony g veu to connect his client with the pro m dings of Franklin. The Doke of Bedford, Lord Holland, Lord Erskine, sad Si► James Mackintosh were afterwards examined to the De fendant's character. They could nut speak to any period after 1806 ; hot they did nut believe him capable of the con duct imputed to him. Mr. Paaasott replied, after which The Loon Cuter JUSTICe summed up the evidence to •the Jury. His Lordship considered that the evidence given to skew the participation of the Defendant, O'Bryen, was in conclusive. The Jury consulted fur a few minutes, when they returned a verdict of Not Gailts. The preceding trials occupied the Court the whole of the day from nine o'clock in ilie morning till half-past aiue at slight. John Jones, a hill-slicker, residing near King-street, West minster, proved that I•e was employed by a nitildle-ageil man of a ruddy cumplestun, to slit k some bills, it as of a Susi day evening; he culled jtvil hero'. the Westminster meeting took place; he was spin employed by him the they before the Smithfield ineetisig. About a month after lie called spin, but Witutss aefu►td lo ►tick the bills fearing be should be taken up. Ann Jones examined ly Kr. HILL—She is daughter •f last wituess, sod was directed by her father, in August or Septempter 1819, to watch a peisJii who bad called to em ploy ham. She hail seem him there before. %Vhen she watch• ed him he weal to No. ^l, ei Liven-street, the house of Jr. 0' Br', eat _ _ . IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS, Mk.l-I , IkIDAY, FennyAar 21. STATE OF IRELAND. The Earl of BLESINTON amid, in furtherance of his moliiiii fur • Committee to inquire into the State of Ire• land, he would native for a return of the Duties on Malt in Ireland, and the Duties paid on Isiah Spirits imported into country.—Agreed to. THI QUEEN. The Eirl of THAN ET presented • Petition from the Inhabitants of Kendall, in the County of Wtstaturlsod, praying that her Majesty'a ratite might be restored to the Lilorgy.—Read and !Mil on the table. The Slab, &c Duties Bill, and the Grants Transfer Bill were committed, the Report received, and utdrred to be read a third lime to•murruw. Lord REDESDA Lb: presented a Petition from the Merchants of 11;untreal in North Amirica, praying that their Lordships would I.ke into their cousiderioinu the State of the American Tiailc. The Noble Lord piesented also a Pet;tion front the PrNirietnra of Sale-pits in the Province of Canada. to the aaine effect, and also one from the Inhabitants of New Brunswick, in Nova Scotia, to. the pante creel, which were severally read, and laid on the table. FOREIGN COMMERCE. THE KING V. O'DRTEN. This was an indictment charging the Defendant with vitt. iti6twe, t.•`ether with one Fort% afies ruitiltlia, whits kl , h, e, tii excite tumult among the peup , e, anal to bring kni Majemy'e Gureenutinst tutu hatred and contempt by m••ans or ccrtsiu *lnch were placarded about Log linen. M.. lists opened the pleadings. The indictment con aniti.pl of we e• , uuts, to which the P.tandeut Olittyrn had ^•et Ontfir—the other Urti,.A rut had out pleaded.: Mr. kranson slued the case to the duly. lie stid he should Ist Wet --I to have recompile to micurnstaultat evi dence, which is cases ►ike the tweets' was frequently Ike " uI Y of proof that could be prodisc.d, but lie shunt.' loture them such a !wig clialis of rip cumatauees, that he tuoucht mould appear 'slimly tocunstaleki with th e inn. ' crime or the Defendatut. He could sitter that at a distant lee- F.antoia .. carrying un the Practice of puldi.lnnt; battl•Lc!', l but be flhau:4 tuuttul biavelf aids -r ... , I - - John llocklry, crosshead 6, Oh. Traasom.—He knows a person who called himself Fletchee. Before the chairing of Sir F. Burdett, nu the 13th of July, 1818, he saw him at Mr. Seale's.at Totteolism court•road ; he asked use to get another bill-sticker, mad two men to hold boards. Weenie to witness on Sundry night, anal asked if witness had got marmites' man to help him ? This was at No. 35. Broad street, Blasumsbusy. He told them to follow him into St. Marina's-true, and Inset him at the church. This mai about nine o'clock the night before Sir Francis Burl/tot was chaired. Brown null witness went down, and Fletcher came up in a coach. He took a la.ge brown paper pa.cel, and sant, a There me a pared of bills for you to stick up;" and he ove them sispeuce to go into a public-house to fold them up; when they came out he was walking on else other side of the way ; he walked with me to Cliering.ceusis, C,anuou.row, and about Westminster, till four o'clock in time morning, alma Ike posting was corn. pitted.— (The allots. aileatifitd the bill.)—Oat Monday night before the Snaillallild Meeting, vitae's. saw him again at Tottenlisin.cutirt- road ; he was appointed to watch bleu. and saw hint near Seale's pit ud lug Maier; he saw him come up in • chariot, which stopped bcfure it reached Scale's h o use. Wit. etas then saw him get out; acre was a gentleman left its the chariot, an elderly matt with ;marred hair. He has sent him • since; raw him on Monday last him Csavesa.4treet; it MAO Mr. O'Bryen. Ile ictualased in the chariot while Fletcher went into Seale's. %Vbs.° Fletcher ante out he saw witness, crusts d the rrrrr t, and weht lute, a tobacconist's, where he waited som e titre, aro errant, Isc got imito the chariot; witisecs theu gut up lathiest the earlier., anal it went to Charing cross, at the coach-stand, where it stopt; the two Gmuslesnen got our, amid he saw them bath distinctly; they then callmd soother [each; Mr. Fletcher went in the coach to Karliament-street ; a brown paper bundle was put into t h at coach, it was the same parcel which he saw carried by Fletcher from Seale's, and put by b•m into the fist coach. It slopped at a coffee.house withiu two doors fauna C.hulesoutel. iVitness ful. loused Unit, and saw hint go down Duwitiog.street, abort the middle af the, street: he stayed there 'about au hour. Williesa did not see him come out, for he tetneued to the coach which ass waiting ; the Centlensas got in again, auml the coach went IN Diorthumberland.rtreet, and stopped at the corner of Northumberland-court; it was ✓sining very hard; Mr. Fletcher went through, the Court into Craven.stree I; lie had the paces I with laina,aatd went tutu No 21, Cravetestrret ; the name of Mr O'Bryen was on the dour; that was the house at which be saw Mr. O'Bryen on Monaley lace; it WWI past twelve o'clock thee; be knocked a double knock tir,t ) theo drew his etick along the seta ThP Mari - Nis or LA NspowN said, he rose accord ing to his males of motion, tor the purpose of 1110V itig to relieve the Committee of their Lordships who had sat lust year on Foreign Tiade. It was not his intention to travel over the some ground as In. did when he tint moved for the Committee. He could not avoid adverting io 'nine of the Petitions which had been presented to the House, and he was anxious to do it on account of a inivunder viondiog that had gone abroad, that he was of opinion that no relief could hr given to foreign titide except by that labours of the Committee ; that was 'Oat his opiniou, but he thought light might be thiown am' the - Subject by its labours, and that it could be better done by seporn'e Committees oo each brunch. lie ..y ~.. a ft a 1 • M M S would cull their attention to what was the nature of use distress complained of; it did not he in •bstruce inquiry, and he was the more induced to say this, because he understood it was the inten tion of the Noble Esrl (Liverpool) to make some observatiems on the subject. It was ince-fury, therefore, that their Lordships sl Id hike Imo their consideration what had been the course of thisigiaes related to the commercial and financial state of the country. The capital of the country lied been for a great number of 3 ears drawn frern the iFith jects or it, 1.. r the purposes of Goveraiment ; this great expenditure of the Governmem, and the de mand so promoted, caused a guest supply of menu fsctores to the foreign market, but it was only an extension and supply to answer the immeiliate proevase... The time hod conisr when thin expeliett tare of capital could not survive under the present iierinasient tax lion, and when they returned to Ilie . old standard the demand was diinmished. This lie asserted to be the fec', without the fear of beteg contradicted ; and if it was not the fact, it was de lusive to seek fur relief from inquiry, if that inquiry did not go into these circuinstasices. It was ful for him to be obliged to say that no prompt remedy from the Co ttttttttttt t particularly on that subject which bore must severe, the aglicultitral dearer, of the country, whether lie took it in the view of the Noble Earl (Liverpool), that the in cie Ise of production was the cause of it, or his own view, that it originated from the decrease of the co ssumrtion of articles of life ; whirl, ever was right it was impossible to come to the suhject of relief without inquiry. According to the Corn Lawi, corn was fixed at 80.. as a maximum price; hut it was kept down to 70a. ; then there was nue oc casion for an alteration in the Corn Laws. whether it was kept at the reduced price, or the di arose from the home market being furnished with too great a supply, or by a _defichisry of supply, it should not be a matter of surprise that there WAY no remedy for an evil which hid been grossing fur years ; *lieu it was 1101 a matter of YS'Osiishilient, for it, was like a physician called to attend u diseased malt, hr first inquired into the ' , attire of his diarase, and then into the causes whirl: pro- duced them; alien master of them, lie then ap plied the remedy : and so here the cause •of the disease must be ',squired into before relief could be odriiiiiistererl. The distress of the foreign nude was cancel by the legislative restrict on it ; amid those of the home trade by excessive taxation, which was also a res'e'ction, and the only restudy was to remove the load of taxes, and to etiatile them to do that there must be a diminution int he expenditure of the Government; %nisi he trusted th e other House of Parliament would after's' to that *statljeer: A. to ll* foreign trade of the county, it was clogged by the inistaken policy of the Legis lature, and it was therefore to that view of the sub ject that lie would call the attention of the Com mittee, fur it was on that principle that the ettera tion was wanted to be made. He was aware that Iris view of the subject was opposed by some out of doors, for science had come to such excellence iu machinery, that bodily labour was forgotten. Ile remembered reeding of an Austriataluan, when it was said that the people of fashion only attended to the thine of it, but the vulgar swaggered on the term, as if it was to sink the whole reeourcee of the country. So it was here, persons out of doors had wiitten and published pamphlets, some in favour of the old school of manufactures, others in favour of machinery ; but they both forgot the interest of the consumer, and he was of opinion the latter in terest was the greatest, and that was only to he attended to by foreign commerce, which flourished in spite of the laws against it, but it would not now flourish unless the laws were revised. Tile Noble 11 irquis then moved, That the saint Committee witch sus uppoiuted last year should be re.ap pointed. Lord F:I.LENUOROUGii said. he pet reedy agreed with ;he chief pert of the viorrelo of the Noble Alar quis, and with his general view of the ease, but he dissgreed with him when he stated that he ex pected a reduction in the taxes. It was a thing impossible when he took into coneisfreation the snarl obligation we were under fur the re payment of the national debt. - Ile was of opi nion that the inquiry of the Committee would be most useful ; wlieti he looked to the Report of the Committer on the timber trade, and found the duly nu the log to be higher than the duty on the manu factured timber, and when lie fromil Norway deals only paid 111. in Ireland, and Sto/. lii England, the la bours of the Committee e ould be most useful. It was not pia inteistiou to detain uheir Lordships longer, particularly as lie uutlerstood the Noble Ent (Liverpool) intended to deliver his senti ments on the subject. The motion fur the Committee had his approbation. The Earl of LtveaPoot. rose. lie had en deavoured to provide their Lordships with all the information likely to conduce to thr clear est unilerstaistling of the subject Which the means of his office afforded, and if after the fullest perusal of all the paper. which he would have the honour of brineing before the House, any of their Lordships should deem other *lamination wanting which it was in the power of Government to fur nish, no efforts to satisfy such inquiries would be left utiettenapted. In regard to the ex planation which be hail given the other night, iii reference to something which had taken place at the commencement of the Session, he would have occasion to repeat it in the course of the observations he was about to submit, namely; that one great and important cause of the existing distress iii the agriculture, and in the great branches of manufactures and of commerce, mast be traces' to the increased and excessive production which had taken place in various instances connected with those interests. The Noble Marquis had suggest ed, that the distress did not arise from the ex erosive increase of production, but from the very great diminution of consumption in most of the essential articles of Itfe; and he was ready to admit, that the great question to be tried which, if nut properly examined, might lead to Krtat incorrectness in the result ; but in some instances it was not passible fur the calculations to be.mis taken. In the itnoosition of Excise duties the figures could not be mistaken. because the duties were collected according to the amount of the stock of the several articles. There was one qualifica tions to which the whole of these calculations were subjected, and only one—that qualification was the 'fret of sruss a gl.ng. It certainly was ic fair moil proper cotaideration, how far the blur 'nation which might be acquired front the amongst. of Excise duties, were subject to the istfluence of contraband trade. But in the view which be was then tilting of the subject,..tliat considetalints would ni,t avail much in any rely. If, how - ever, it must be pressed into the account, it would ra ther tend to cot.firin whet it was his intention to prove, an increase of consumption in the articles of life, as the amount of those articles which were smuggled must be added to the amount of si. miler articles contained in the public accounts. With these views of the subject, he had ex mined particulars, and he would state to tie House the result. He had great satisfactiou in stating that result to have proved an in crease of consumption in all the considerable Isranches having to do with the articles of life. 11.. would presently move for accounts to be laid before the House of tile several articles to which he wished tis direct their attention, which were subject to the payment of Excise duties for the last four years, arranged so as to chew the difference of consump tion in each separate year, and to chew the effec s of a comparison between the coosumption of last year, and the average of the three foregoing year/. Ile had already made au investigation into this sub ject, mutt before moving for the papers lie would chew the result of his observatiocs oa the consump tion of the following articles :—Beer, condlet, coffee, hides and skin., malt, pepper, stilt, soap, spirits, tea, tobacco, and snuff. He might after wards, in all probability, move for some returns relative to the Customs, if they should appear ne. cessary to a complete elucidation of the question. lie wished particularly to call and ditt ct the al twos!' of the House to the effects of the inquiry which he had made, and then he would &nett by moving for the production of the papers. Ficus these accounts it appeared, that with regard to the first article contained iu his motion, beer (pre mising first, that the conclusion to be drawn Irons the calculations he was about to submit stoo4 upon as firm a basis, and was 'as worthy of confidence es any that could be stated.) — I t appeared, then, that on an average of the three years 1818. 19. 20, the coosumptiou of stroug beer was 5,356,000 barrels; the consumption of last year was 5,599,000 barrels—increase last yea r 243,000 barrels. Average consumption of table beer for same period as before, 1,447,000 barrel+ ; consumption of lust year, 1,519,465 barrels—in crease last year 71,465 barrels. The next aitie!..t was one which, pr !bin more _.lr I IHI any other, • indicated the real rate of cousump.l.oll • +.l the necessary articles cf The average of the forementioned three years gave for the consumption 79,810,4091b5. ; cotimeript on of last year 83,355,000111,. . east! 3;544,59 lbs. Coffee, average consumption for said three' ysats. 7,570,00011 m; consumption of last yea , 7 019,0001 b, --nscreaee 551,0001ba. Hides and skins, average conmemptiou as before. 460119,00011 n. ; 'ply; 44,708,0001 W. —decrease 1,517,0001ba. Molt, pre. vices average, 23,399,000 biishels ; fast veer 24,,641,000—increase 1,222,000 bushels. Tito nest article was qoe which was strongly indicaffse of the rate of consurisptiou in alt the otlWr articles —Pelt ;--Average of lock salt for the since belief ell before, 1.936,000 bushel. ; last year, 1„9413 . .1/00 --ineegege 12,000 tnAhele. Soup, average of die thaw Om (1100. asap) -69,474.000i1t5: ; iestlfe - • 73,770,00O1bs.•+sWierease, .g 9 6.ooothe. sooli, Overage • 'foto ihree grate;' 4 , 604 1 trt*: ; lu,t year 5, ISS,OOOlhi.--Lierease Spirits (Briti4l)-•i-oteriige a•umtrfinptian of preiloos veiled, 5,047,000 pitons ; list leer: 6,576,VU0 MIIIIII IL