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i head of the Colo nial De p artment (Lord st thoe b ring forward some propositions e a rilereagh). to s o Friday next, relative to the army; but if tha t . jle Wa s t hought inconven ient, he was sere h,, Ne3le Friend would leave it to the House to fix a s o - re convenieot.day. At the same time he begged l o ve to submit it to the consideration of the House, that o the result of these propositions would most probably be the embodying them in a Bill, whether ol io not be expedient to postpone the discussion ctt f t h e m until tee second lemlingof the Bill? He said , thought he could; undertake to answer for 1 ; ; , Noble Friene in his atoence, that if there was any f i ling in t he House, that these propositions should a ss t be then brought forward, he woul defer the (Telling of kis p ield to ta cky ; leas for a more conven d ie nt visor he would, therefore, on his part , y 6.,Ch postponement ; hut if he might take the liberty r or rgear as the business of Friday would be mere ; MAUS of detail, ani the Bill would afterwards be more for the convenience „ ponied, it roe h ot all parties that it shou'd come on upon Elides , . w:ien there would be ample notice for the subse e elit discussion on the followieg Monday. M r . WHITBREAD said, he was extremely de toms of being present at the Noble C'risi's opening of the measure, as well as the subsequent stages ot r ; he therefore begged leave to suggest to the Right - Hoe. l;entleman, whether it might not be as well, aid 'T ore for the convenience of the House, to hive e Noble Lord's p lan opened upon Friday, to have the Bill read a fine time on Monday, and postpone the disovoion of it until the Wednesday fnllowing? The CHANCF.LLOR of the EXCHEQUER replied, that he felt himself personally obliged to the Hon Gentleman for his suggestion ; but as a moven of his Right i Inn. Friend, the Secretary at War, reveflint; the Volunteers, stood for that day. lie begged to suggest to his Right Hon. Friend to poopoee his frICII O I I for a future opportunity. fhe SECRETARY WA R soid, lie had no ohjolion in any thing which could meet the wishes at the House. Lord HOWICK then rose, and expressed hims-lf est;:mely ansiols upon this most important bui tess. A , - to the measure, whatever it might be, woh setere-ce to the state of defence of the country, it ens a satire of all others looked to with the greatest anxiety by tea pulslic at this most awful iotif eventful c risis. He rose, he continued, at pre senemerrly to ask His Majesty's Ministers a question, not. rowever, meaning to press it. He asked, wheeler any new treaty had been entered into on the part of His Majesty, with - any of the Conti nental Powers ? and whether it was likely any infor mation would be laid before the louse upon that rubjea, during the present Session ? Mr. CANNING replied, that most undoubtedly some engagements had been entered into with leo. reign Powers, anti it certainly was the intention of His Majesty's Minister' to communicate the contents of them to the House in the course of the present Session. hut as most of them were of • contingent &ion.. it was natural for His Majesty's Ministers I to defer making that co mmunication to the House I it some short time ; . and certainly it would be more soisfattory to that House, and to the puhlic at large, to receive such communication in a more per fee shape than it could be made out at present. He assured the Noble Lord. that it never was their in tention that the Sassiest* should close before they made seen a eommunication to the Homo and to the public. In the mean time, he hoped he should losable to lay before them a communication from His, Majesty, on this subjea. in the course of the eext week. The Bill was then ordered to be read a second time on this day fortnight. Mr. Lethbridge brought up the Report of the Committee upon Mr. Pelmer's Petition. which was ordered to be printed, and taken into consideration by a Committee of the whole House upon this day se'nnight. Mr. Sheriff Branscomli presented at the Bar of the House a Petition from the Lord Mayor, Com mon Council, &c. of the City of London, again the Bill now pending before a Seleit Committee, for the better relief of the Poor of the parish of Christ's :hurch.—Ordered to be refeirtd to the said Coin s nittee. Mr. FOSTER observed, that he had given no ti of a motion for Friday next, respeeting the re dation of the annual grant to the College of May sus otto from 13.0001. to 8,0001. He hed since les reed that the additional buildings bad been corn• rat need upon the strength of that grant, and there for he did not wish to press that motion at pi e rent. He said he should, however, in the eon rse of the next Sessions of Parliament, submit tom s propositions upon this subjea to the con sic's.' Aden of the House, as he wished to know whe ther it was intended to increase this College to the whol, • extent of the parish of Maynooth Mr . C. W. WYNNE said, he also had given no tice os 'a motion respeaing the moduetion of certain papers .to shew the absolute necessity of increasing that C. 'allege, but u the Right Hon. Gentleman had to •w alined his mind upon the sobjea, he should also give up his motion• Lord HOWICK heard this with great satisfac tion fro m the Right Honourable Gentleman, Mr. Fames, t .110, after calling the attention of the House to the at sject, now left it exactly where he found it. The hinble Lord was proceeding to other ob rvatiouo. when the SPEAK retninded him that ire was as. question before the House. His Lord. sh'p then a K.gain rose and said, that he then rose for iseroosi. t of giving notice, that whenever any entlernan , upon withdrawing a notice which he lead pre••*) , eily given. entered into any general ob servations, ht • should in future claim the isterfo. rence of the C hair. FLEcnoN VE117101411. ge Mr. C. W . WYNNE said, that in conic. queuce of the s :eat inconveniencies which arose in the coarse of tti last Sessions of Parliament, re specting t',, o ( in ficulty of the SJIViCe of Notices uP.In returned 1 lernbcts, against whom Petitions had teen prescn ted. and as the same difficulties *'are likely to arias in the present Parliament, par tscolerly i n ones ate, where, from recent circum eancce, i t was most prpbable, it would be impossible to serve ork •of atm returned Membe:. (we presume the Hon ou t thAe IMenzher alluded to WexforJ), Ile rot e to • v.• &odor, that ha would to-morrow esibinit a i eso gr ht •tm to the House upon this subject. 714 Chan e dk a tif the Exchequer presented at the Bar of the House, a Memart from His Ma jesty, stating His Maje.ty(s desire of securing certain lands at Frogmen*, to Her Majesty and the Princesses for life, desiring his furthful Com mons to take the same into their deliberation, and to enable him ti) make gond such grant. Ordered to be referred ts a Committee of the whole 11 we. . The Secretary at War presented • return of the names of the rrveral officers of the tank of FAct Officers, now on half-pay, pursuant to of dcr. Or dered to lie on Ole table, and upon motion of Mr. COCHR I\'N: JOHNSTONE, ta be printed. -•- - • Mr. Rohert I)unda4 brought up a Bill to enAble - - the East lndi t Company to raise mr.o.•y op in Bond, instead increasing their Capital Stock, which was read a first time, And ordered to 5c read a second time on Thur;day next. The Secretsey at War brought up a Bill for the more *convenient and better payment of Half. pay Officers, Per..tons to the Widows of 'lilt pay Officers, ald to these on the Lompas , innate List; which, after a few words from Gen. Fl'a- PATRICK, %.'s real a 64 time, and ordered to be trad a second time on Wedn-slay next. Mr. Poster brought up a Bill for the better en couragement of toe Exportation nt Salt Provasi , ns from Ireland. which was read a first time, and or- . _ dered to be read a second time mots OW. Mr. FORTER.,thra gars WAIN :hat fre would, On Wednesd iy next, propnie A me.tcore to carry into effeß Inc slispen4ion of part of the duties on raw sugar imp rated into Ireland. The Hou• . e then went isste a Committee of Sop— plj upon toe Militia And \rmy ExtrAordinaries, when the following sums were proposed and agreed to :- 793,7101. Os. fd for Army Extraerdinerie•, from the 25th December, 1603, to the 23th D.:ceinhet, 1306, both tatctusive, sod not pritid.d tut 2,963,0001 Army Extraord.nariee for F.ncland, for the pe seta year, 60.), the hie to' land—W.le. the clotbi,ig A•tjuitatitt, uheterni, der. of the Militia of both countrieli. The House being resumed, the Repo: t was or dered to he received i-morrow, and taken into fur ther con ;iileratina Wednesday near. The Windsor Ernest Regulation Bill was read a second time, and ordered to be committed to-rnor tow. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER observing an KM. Baronet then in his place (Sir Thomas Turton), who had given notice of a mo tion respeaing India Papers. begged leave to sug gest to him, that itimignt be more for the cone.. nience of the House if the Hon. Baronet would postpone his !Mo. ion for anot h e r d a y. Sir 'ICHO .iA.i CUR I'ON rrnlied, that however anxious he was for the discussi.in of this impo-tant subjeft, he could have no ohjelian to yield to the wishes of the House ; and, therefore. postponed his Motion from that ilay, 01,61 the Tuesday following. conmitrrEE mi. WAYS AND MEANS. Ot tiie Moil. ii of the s.:H s NCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, the House we'll into a Committee of Ways and Means ; and he then moved," That it is the Opinion of this Committee, that the Lords Commissioners of the Trea,ury may contrast with any Person or Persons, for the S ile of Tickets. for the ensuing Lottery, to the Amount of 100,0001. under such Regulations as they may think proper, at the rate of WI etch, to be paid at the Rank of England, within two Months after the Drawing of said Lottery; and that all Money, arising from inch Tickets. be paid into the Receipt of Exche quer ; two-thirds to be applied for the Service of Great Britain. and one-third for Ireland, in such proportions w may he thought proper." Mr. FOS Mk. in pursuance of a notice he had formerly given, moved several Duties relative to the Excise in Ireland. After the Resolutions were agreed to, the House resumed, and the Report was ordered to be received to-marrow. A Bill. tie enable His Majesty to appoint the Chancellor of the Exchequer of Ireland to execute the Office of Lord High Treastiret of England. without Salary, and to possess the same Powers as any other of the Lords Commissioners of the Tress. sury in England. was brought up. Read a first, and ordered to be read a second time to-morrow. PAROCHIAL SCHOOLS. Mr. WHI I'BREAL) moved the second reading of the Bill for establishing Parochial Schools for the Education of the Children of the Labouring Poor. Oa the motion being proposed from the Chair, that this Bill be now read a second time, Mr.DAVIES GIDDY rose. and strongly objea ed to it. He considered it as a measure intimately connefted with the system of Poor's laws already existing, and might in various views be ultimately found dangerous to the country. The utmost care and attention were in general paid by parents to the education of their children, when they found their interests depending upon them. They thus acquired early habits of industry, frugality, and contioul. besides being early instruaed in their pa rents' occopations, which could not be so well ef feard by toe plans now proposed by this Bill. Such a system of cornpulory education as was contained in this Bill, would tend to encourage the poor in the discussion of politics, and to infuse into their minds false principles of religion, besides en couraging combinations. The cam of Scotland had been given as an example of the beneficial tendency of the measure ; but, in his opinion, the circumstances in which the two countries were placed. rendered them perfeltly different ; so that they had no prece dent to regulate their condua. He would wish ra this to abolish the Poor's Rates altogether, than to add to them. Under these circumstances, he thought it his solemn duty to oppose the Bill ; and, there fore, he should move, as an amendment, that. in stead of the word " no e,'" , this day three months" be substituted. Mr. MORRIS also opposed the Bill, although he was not disposed to go the length the Honour able Gentleman who had preceded him seemed to do. He thought that :he levying of Poor's Rates had a tendency to encourage idleness and dissipa tion, but being convinced of the impossibility of discontinuing them, he would, at least. avoid ex tending them. The fund proposed to be raised by the Bill would be an unequal taxation; the landed proprietors being only liable. while the stock-holder, manufaiturer, and merchant. contributed nothing towards it. It was unfair that the charges of a great national obje3 a ould be thus defrayed out of a perish taxation, instead of coming from the consok&:ed fund of the kingdom. In Scotland, .. .. he cue was different ; there origin.tlly a %est% allowed by aft of Parliament, aninisist:c?, to 60001. for defraying [IA *sophism or Ca? masters ; besides which, a society formed in this metropolis, fir the purpose of propagating Cm; •than knowledge, contributed annu.t►ly 4,001 ti.rether with several private subscriptions. Su ht. he th world be the wisest course to 3.1 'y I in E .gland. lie mentioned these ia.:s. rti,u,..l! . th..t the c.oei Were not .nn105...11. 11.! 5!... therefore, vote for the am-tidritt.t htv the Hoge did consent to go in Currio:ittge upon the Eiil, he should think it his ..0 y to Vase more partocularly las carious ohjections against it Mr. EI.I.ISON said, that since this Eiil hAd bevel irst in!rotitictql in last Prtlidinent, it ! broz. considered, by the Magistrates And others who w.;iv likely to be concerned in it. execution thrmt}:':• nt the kingdom, and had ben greatly di.apot ovei nt The real objed of the Pones Less Yeas to provide for thnse who could not supply them.elves with the ne cessaries of life ; but this ante4.u-e was likely to en• ra;l them AS burdens upon the country. If b: to be generous and charitable. he should wish first to understand, that he was wise and just. There would he no less th4n 11,()0 1 .) schnn!s to provide. and AS mans , mastece. I . 4iS ay.efd occasinrra peat fipense, and the mode of rei,ing t!.. t..cation re:ts unjust and partial. He should approve of referring the measure to the consideration of a Committee up stairs, in order tnAt the obi tt.ons might he L;one away, and the wliole plan so amended, as to reader it not a mere speculative good : upon this occasion, _ - however, he should vote for the Amendment. Mr STURGES BOURNE was convinced of the propriety of adopting some meow' es to promote the education of the poor througiicut the King dom ; but he thought the one proposed was likely to be procured At a immense expense to the Puhiic. and raised by a triode which seemed to have no reference to the actual pnpul stioll of the different parishes. He disapproved moth of the compd. snry mode that was therein soggesteil, but apps rived highly of a voluntary one, as being likely to he 'nip+ more successiol. Each parish would tten have on opportunity of adopting such measures as were most congenial with their actual situations He trusted, that if the plan was allowed to lie over to a future Session of Parliament, some means might he adopted to render it much more practicable. He thought that some means ought to be taken to se cure the pa/lib apprentices from teeaving such bad usage as he understood they experience. He wish ed it postponed to another Session, in order that the complicated machinery might be put into some pro per and convenient form. Sir SAMUEL ROMILLY sail. he could not concur with those who supported the Amendment. He thought this was one of the most impottant suhjeas that had come before Parliament ; and he lamented much to see that the discussion of it hat taken such a turn, it being so different from (Oat which teemed likely to be adopted last ietsion. Although considerable doubt had been esoresofd as to its expediency, vet all seemed formerly to concur in the propriety of its being discussed in a Committee, in order to determine how shell an important object could be most effettually and most easily carried into execto.Mn. As it was of im portance that it should be deliberately discussed, he should not (skied to its not being finally deter , mined uoon during this present Session, bat still it ought to go the length of a committal, in order that Gentlemen might suggest their improvements, as much good would be derived from its not being stopped in i:s progress. He differed from those Ho pourable Gentlemen who thought that the Poor's Rates were likely to be increased by such a measure ; so far from that being the case, he thought it would be the most effeaual means of diminishing them, as well as of lessening the sum of human misery. 'floe only question before the House was, whether or not instruai in ought to be afforded to the lower orders of the people t The question as to the most proper means of doing so, was for future consideration. The objea was not to support idleness, or en courage profligacy, but to discourage them.— One principal source of evil was the pra9ice observed as to parish apprentices. who were sent off to a distance of two or three hundred miles from their parents, totally destitute of friends or protectors, and, like Slaves, rendered plrtealy sub servient to the caprice, whim, or self-interest of those masters to whom they chanced to be bound. This he understood to be a common praaice in the City of London, where the parents contraled with cotton-manutaaurers in the Myth of England. to whom they bound their children apprentices. and never made further inquiries concerning them. Some alteration woe absolutely necessary in this and va rious other particulars. He approved of the original Motion. although the Bill should only go through a Committee this Session, profit/won Mr. ROSE said. it was wish great reluaance he ever obstruaed the measures of the Honourable Gentleman who had brought this matter before them, for which no person could give him more credit than he did. Since last Parliament, the subjea of this bill had been much more considered than formerly, and although he. along with others who had given it attention, was inclined to cbjeft to it in various parts, he was yet tar from being of opinion that it ought not to be committed during this Session. He could not agree with those who thought it would tend to diminish the Poor's Rates, at least he could not see how that could be effected. By the addition of one shilling per pound, the Pool's Rates would be increased from one million to tour • milli ons.Hisopinionalways was, that the poor should .have that education which would teach them to know their duty to God and man. This could not be accomplished without reading. but he had some doubts as to the necessity of their being taught writing. To carry it further would, in many cases, be putting a boy above his situation in life, so that he would not be inclined to apply to that business which his parents alight choose he should follow. This he k:rew from his own experience. they would all be seeking to get employment in counting-houses, which he was convinced would tend to do a great deal of harm. .8o far from his being an ene my to Poor's Rates, he should vote for their ex istence. bad they not been already established, as be thought it would be highly improper to leave the poor solely to the compassion of the country. The generous and humane would be couributing their p , proteelion to the distressed, while the trete .' the mi.erly would be 'withholding it. Uii !. present system, where the Magistrates di I duty, the predittate 'lever recioved encouraeemeor Ile had many neje/Mons to state to the B ii, ' • et‘ k t. should, notwite standine. vote for the committal. t it, in order to attend it • t, tO , Mr. LefeHIN(STON said, he agreed with se e • * I' 11 tat. Meyer in regard to toe maey evils while arree from the Poet's ;totes, hut he was contra.. that it was impossible at pr sent to do them aes • He was a friend to the ettucation of the prow tea, the broedest pine -met, as it was the ineaneot at i fording t• a great:et happiness to them met thee could enjoy under heaven. Ile did ant believe th. t • it would hoer the effeft wnich was so mach iloreded by some, of making every one of those so edge sated desirous of coming into official situations. It was a well-kenern Taft, that those people who • frequented most the places of public worship, were such as possessed the facially of reading. and he could we no reason why it shauld•be said that they w told read books of a dangerous tendency, or po- ,• eitical traits, or that they would be inculeatieg erroneous doctrines as to out Saviour. le was to be presumed that their first educatioe would be whew* 1•e• to read the Biel., and Jr was nee surely from thence th he preowned the they would be disposed to do wrong, or to go astray. To• whatever cots stry we looked, it would be found, that wherever iestrue tinn wa, generally aff toted to the poor, and where they were not nperested with harsh Govertiseet, ! they were the mo•t industrious. there waist part of the Pore's Laws, which ..had never been carried into ex cuiten, according to their reel meaning. sod the intentitm of Goiravernieist, he meant, the giving employment to the poor ; tint he was convinced that the doing so would not tend to any good. as it would tether hirt the belencre of trade, and tend to injure the Country. Uonn tee whole. -he ap p•oved of the Bill, as he thought • its towiewey would he eventually to diminish the Pole's *ales. and encourage the Industry of the lowew *editor of the people. Mr. IL DUNIeAS begged leave to notice a few tads which had been shaded to•with regard to Scotland, while, at the same time, he protemed himself friendly to the genera principles of the Bill. An Honourable etemher had alluded" to tee expense incurred in educating the poor in &otiose, and bad stated it at 60001. a year. It this was meant to apply to the period before the passing of the act ot 1803, it was corgiderably everstatod. He could venture to ray. that the maws of the salary allowed to schoolmasters, was between 161. and 171. while the everimrsee was shoot 211. exclusive ot a house and garden The rate was levied solely upon the landed proprietors. they paying one half, and having recourse 'poet their tenants, by the Aft of Parliament. for the other INK It was a mistake to say that large sums were paid. from this country to th 4 Nwth. the whisk symest being entirely independent of any such eolleetion. Mr. MOICKIS explained, and mid, that when • he spoke of 60001. he enfant it as the amount pre• vious to the Aft ot 1803, and he only mentioned tt to thew she small simoontlo which the politic feud Was limited in the Mothers part of the kisgdoni, and that the education of the poor was moiety effeeted by private suegeript , ons. The salaries of the school masters, as he utteerstood. were orgy from 111. to 171. Mr. SIMEON was at a loss to discover whet good end could be answered by the House going into a Committee upin this Bill during the present Session, at a time of the year when many of the country gentlemen were absent, the more especially as it was not possible they could pass it. It was not from any disapprobation of the Bill, but from a cos. vieion that it could not be of service to press k for ward at such a season, that he should've:aft far its postponement. Lord NIT LTON said, he was surprised 'that any - person could propose to cut this most impoetaic business short at this early stage of it. He could not see why it ought to be supposed, that became people were e..hicated, these ceuld not be footed people willing to till the ground. Although some who were educated above ethers might be looking to higher situ sating, yet the very nature of thine' forbad that they should not is general be digitated to perform laborious duties. Approving. as be did. of the measure, be should certainly vote for gokng inn a Committee. Mr. WALKER said, he should he glad to know how the Noble Lord would propose to determine the degree of excellence which was to entitle some of the educated poor to aspire to counting-houses. and others tt pet form laborious duties.. Mr. WHi l'allEAD began by °berrying upon the argument of the Honourable Gentleman oppe. site (Mr. Simeon), as to this being an improper sea son to discuss his measure, owing to the thinness of the House, and the enlightened part of the Country Members being absent ; this had no weight with him, for so it happened, that in that House cettein comparatively trivial subjects anti aetod a full attend ance, while others, of great national importance, produced no attendance at all. This. however. was in the nature of things, and he was convince.' that whether they should discuss the matter, either in the month of D•cember, or in the month of July, the attendance wuuld never be greater than at tee present moment. It was his intention tsl per sore: in obtaining the sense of the H ,use in tee preseti: Session of Parliament, as he thought it was e utmost importance chat something sitcule be done concerning it as solo as possible. In prnper lion as men were exalted by education, so midi the mare were they tit to be govereed ; the mote they knew their duties the AMC fit were Otte t' perform them. Of the truth of the; principle he was perfeetly coavinemi, but whether the uetion wee fit and prepared to adopt the measure propouse was the question which he aow welted the House to determine. He should still insist that his plan weld ultimately to diminish the Amount of toe peer's rates, but that consideration was the ;east of eil others. —Would any Honourable Member deny the: a system of education, camprehending reading. writing, and arithmetic, was net pteterable to one that merely taught the people the art of boxing. bull-baiting. or pia) hog upon the fiddle t Or, could any one allege that that a p ar son who enjoyed these latter quite *amid not be mote civilised. humane. and indastieues. providing he centd also net sad write" lt . vow ; i i "'"