The Statesman. — London, England, 1810-04-11 00:00:00

haw n► the ivretiry of Stag t and the Secretary tattoo him back to Mr. Becket. Assist. oce was not to *ay promised, but protltired by ijii„ n uos -assistance both nail military, and )„/ the assistance that was declared to he ogee*. gal in the first instance, was nut grauted till ihe fourth day after the issuing of the war. r • t _ l in Monday morning. Either the as sistance they &Corded, was right or wrong; 0 justiliabt.., why was it delayed so long to 1 ,.,. immi,n, eat hazard , of the peace, of the semi. iy of the metropolis ? The Secretary of. State for t e lid4llo Wpm tinent. *as, as oAcia, one of for aia4i*traies, and as tench, answerable fur the paintetiatice of the public peace, and more espe. i'aily so at a period when that peace was endan. .v 0 by measoras sanctioned by the Ministers of v.e day, at least, io furtheraere of carrying int o elect measures atiopted by' that House, under the influence of their *deice; and yet, such had been the hesitating imbecility of Ministers, that ih,y could nut thing themes:ll,w t o a c t w ith maul Immo, ereit in prosecutions of their own measures. The Serjeaut was referred to Mr. Ittcket, who ! A:snt him to Mr. Read, who referred him to U.-cket. .Was this a' line of 'conduct, eh*. ricteristie either of si.tdoin or.. of allergy ? Ile should vote for the Areendnsont. ' The A TTORN EY.G E ER Es sail, that if occasun should again occur he would give the slate vote he already glvun. The Honourable liaranot had been convicted of an offence of which oat lloisse was cognizable; an 'offence that iii his wind went to set at nought the authority of that H o use; for if the doetriue of the Honourable Ba. sand nosh! be established, the priiilegm of that House were at an end, and its authority of course, which could he supported only by the Idifilltrinallee of those privileges, lie could ask those Gentlemen who bad been so anxious fur a sago( reprimand, in preference to that of commit. weal, 'opposite* that the majority of that House bad bons of theist opinion, in what manner dill they think that repriusiod would have been received? The Illoisouralile Baronet w o uld 'save booked dents upon such a censure with feelings sexy opposite to. Pl•bbC necessary to be enter_ timul by the object of a seprimaid, in order to make that reprimand ollectual. 'that Honourable Weiser omild hams leaked upon it as if a matt of Tank and eminence erns reprimanded by his ger. trot* in his servant's hall. For bah and the other reasons be bad already stat...ol, he never vsueld regret the woe he had given fur cominit. tacit to the Tower, though no man thailorell more sensibly than he did the fatal cossequetires that resulted from carrying that Measure lotto ext (Mon. The Lamed Gawk:Man next proteeded t., Mend the conduct of Ministers' reapectiag the that•tail occurteil in enfotcstig the Speaker's ,barrant. He denied that Ministers were bound to hive provided a A ttitist the possibility of resiatance ti that st arrant an the part of Sir F. Burdett. Ilonotif4ble Baronet had declared in that Hu u .se, that ha oat dispute their right to impri. vac of *Oar own Members; incraTta - soch a Liceiaration, would Govortiment have heMs war. r.tatcd in the suspicion, that a Gentleman, and a elm of honour, would have disputed it us it had Inn disputed. The opihtion he had given upon this subject was norkssarily qoalitied ; because the case being without precedent, he had no audio. city by st hich he could fortify the suggestions of his own judgment, save that of the principle upora which he argued. He thought that the zeal of his Friend (Mr. Adam) hai ontrun his judg. mut, when he insinuated that their having doubts spots such a question was a matter of reproach. Ile contended that if, on the other hand y Ministers had been less cautious in calling out the "solitary aid, they would have been loudly censored .by Gentle. oleo opposite, as hawing been too larecipitate in re sottine.to military •aid. lie further contended,. that thti Secretary for the Home Department, se far from being culpable in having referred the Ser. son to the Civil Magistrate fur advice and aid, that he would hare been culpable if he had not 1 , done so. Sir JOHN SEBR:GHT said, if that if he could hatefinnied any conception that the lion. Baronet could have been capable of proceeding so far, he vauld have been the last man its that House to hue consprornised its authority, by acceding to the adoption of any other. than the most rigorous Pococtlings. If ever there had been conduct mere disgraceful than any other that had yet come on der the coguilance of the House, it was that of • the Honourable Baronet. If that Honourable Baronet wautcd to try the simple qiae,stion of right in the present instance, was it not in his were to late done sowitlhout .disturbing the public . pmice four successive days ? Vas this kis love of civil liberty, sfirri3g up an infuriated mob to id him its the grave solution of a great Comsti t:itioual question Was it bottom* et his seat i : a civil liberty, t h at a tyrasmical mob shoots line the front of his house s sad - compel livery .1.1 sager tooacover, while resoles the house of Sir Francis Burdett He (Sir John) was not one ofj those disposed to paithot sea testimony of : eatrifulsory homage to the bowie of the Hooeur. l i able Baronet, and in eonseqoence, ho nor his cat'. :iage did not pass that way.; (al lookh.) Re area' !vs every thing that had Mkt) from his Hemourable aid esteemed Friend who bad opened tbw deba te (Mr. Caroms), anti thought the House Woad, tot' the sake of their own dignity, to stopped his Mao oat/4 Ministers in the present aidesl ettnorgancy. Before he sat down, he would say one word io behalf of a Orson whom he thought had mot *ilk done ealkieat justice to, he meant the SesjbPd* krms, whom he descrikal as a man of 011ielgtekki vity aad tried personal courage. He tbotwitheo l oi the contlett of the Serjeant throughout was wlw ll 7i Nelms blame. Sir SAMUEL ROMILLY said, tbit k was sit ) ' l5 intention, at present, to go into tbricrelown 4 l tie vote he had already given, etch if it wits *nought necessary, in consequence or late occur• roots, to restate those grounds, His principal f ' b jert in ageing , nowwas. t o mark tn. the Hume, tt►'ituticatio n o f t h e vote he intended to gives the 4 t lr sveltce between the resolutions proposed by •.., r • 7 . , . who thought that the first letterand argument of the Ron. Baronet was not an offenie cogn i vi bl e by teat House; and being of that opinions, could nut now -agree to a vote, calling his subse. (pent letter to the Speaker, an aggravation of that original ofience. At the same time, he had nu hesitation in stating his sense of the gross lin. propriety of that, letter ; and with respect to .the, whOle conduct of Sir Francis Burdett, since the vote of cummitutent, he confessed that it was to him a matter of astonishment that that Ho. nourable Rarenet could have been prevailed .upon to adopt the counsel he acted upon in further. snec of an object that was attainable in a way So obvieasly preferable to the one so inindi. ciotedy resolved upon. Hate Sir Francis, in the first instance, gone imoletliately to prison, he would love had all his legal remedies just ay open to him as they now, were, after all his obstinate resistance, and all the fatal conse quences that had resulted from that resistance. —He could nut, however, agree with those who affirmed that this contest had served nut only to assert, but to advance the dignity of the House. He could not see how their dignity had been ei ther advanced or asserted, and more particultsrly so when they now demurred upon thee propriety of expulsion-, bat nut the mob, bet-ahopitaceable ['lectors of Westminster should again return upon them the person therhad expelled. With respect. to the improvidence of Ministers, it was idle. to attempt to get rid of that charge, by retorting the charge of improvidence upon others—elf those upon that side of the House had predicted all the precautions of resistance that had since been taken, they would have been accused by Gentle , men opposite as having caused 'the evils they fore. told, Merely because they had foretold them. He concluded by stating it as his sincere opitdon, that the conduct of Government throughout had been highly culpable. Captain PARKER, in a tone of great anima ' time enimadverted'ulion the alleged impropriety of the Learned Gentleman's aiding, by his coon. sets", the efforts of the Honourable Baronet, to ezalt in the country a standard of sedition and . tumult. [Cries of Order, Orderq Mr. PONSONiIY rose to order, and was pro ceeding to ennenent upon the highly unparliaMen. Lary language that had been resorted to by the lioneucable Geutletean, when ' Captain PARKER readily acknowledged, that he hail been itesilvertently hurried into an expres sion that. could not at all .etply to the Learned Gentleman, and apologized to that Gentleman and the House fur the error he had been mumen. betialed into. Ile could not, however, help eipreseing his . wish, that the House would adopt the proper course at once, and expel Sir Fraucis Ilnedett. The objection to that seenied to he, - that Sir Francis would be returned again ; but hiked too high'ass opinion .of the good sense of the . Slecto;rs of Wslstminster to believe that keelbfe. He whe satislieet, that whets once they i nn o ti p l ibu t s te i ttimillbs e Ariiii.4 2l l l::: conduct, on tilwarareitrie that House. _ Sir SAMUEL ROMILLY and Captain PAR. KEIL mutually explained. Lord PoactiEstr.a, for the purpose of . coming to an unanimous decision, suggested the propriety of omitting the word 64 aggravation" 1 in the resolution proposed. While he highly condemned the conduct of Ministers, he at the same title thought that the conduct of Sir Francis Burdett throughout the business from be,- ginning to end could not I;e reprobated in lan. guage too strong. The noose was called upon to rally roomd the violated authority of their Speak er, and as they valued their existence as a branch of the Legislature to maintain it. This, however, had nothing to do with the conduct of i Ministers, which had beets most reprehensible. To their fluctuation, rashness, improvidence, and indeci sion, were to be traced all the evils .that had oe. curred throughout that degrading and unfortunate contest. The Noble Lord then proceeded to reca pitulate the objections that had beeu urged against the conduct of Mioister4,particularly that respect. ing the advice alleged to be given to the Serjeant, recontmendiug to him the adoption of measures, though they could not ensure him frees hanging if he followed them op. Mr. STEPHEN entirely agreed with an Ho.' nourable Baronet opposite, in thinking that the spiestion had been. totallelost sight of. Ile con ceived, however, that,Missisters were hardly dealt wills, in bating their conduct so strongly animas!: ' warted upon ill a question to which they were not parties. Why did toot Gentlemen wait till the evi dence was before the llonse, and then bring forward a motion of censure upon Ministers for their conduct in this business i Instead of fol. lowing this fair and candid mode d promo& ing,. they now, at a moment when the public feeling had not snbsittcd, but weals:lt is its fullest force, introduced topics which went to infer con., sure oon the conduct at Ministers, end yet in the sante breath, asked the goose to come back to toe simple goestion as to the letter to the Spesker, a n d proposed, that all proceedings in re. lotion to it should be postponed for six months. Lie was at a loss to apprehend on what ground his Hon. and Lcarsted Friend (Sir S. Remaly) db., salted from the At of his Right Ho. adorable and Learned Friend (Mr. Pereoval)., tie did not, indeed, approve of the original mos tion...he dissented front the idea•of its being a libel, or that it ought to be punished by commit. meat • hut still could hie .11onotirable and Learned Friend attempt to vindicate the Letter 'sew 'under considerations Be 'was sorry, forthe 6rst time, to fi nd two Minlbers slhtt st so Mgh is that diocese and ii this oountry (Mr. Whit.' brawl and Sir S. Romilly) po'the length of hying it down thattheye was me harm in tte Letter ot the IlOsoursblit Baronet to hie Coosiitocots , sod in the arsoracnt accompanying it. fie understood them to Ws sped as a .raftr sight, that the publics. viola wee n o . libel, but to agree that pads' of it woe bighly disrespectful. Is suit way, they might edatOlPig that tiler soski net tel'stie present let,. le-. to be an 'aggravation I hoot if not so, it was is, . . _. _w_.... - awl wet these &defies* Vest: * i, ,' THE 04 1 : OMAN. NM their Mindi. The elicit of this would' be . to withdraw from the cousideration of the House what, to the idea of these Honourable-Gentlemen, was an original offence, and what to the conception of others, was an aggravation of an offeoee of which the Hen. Bart. had already been guilty, fie eon. grattdated the House and the Country,kowever, on the sentiment which seemed to be universally re. cognized in that House, and which he hoped would go abroad in the country, that there was ao truth whatever in the allegation that the Houottrable . Baronet had been advised to the conduct recently . . observed by him by other Members of that Holm. Nut one Member had spoken on the oecao sion who did nut condemn the conduct of the Ron. Baronet ; and he congratulated the Honse and the Country on the ciretnnstauce. Adler his resist., :ince to the warmest of the S.teaker the Honour. able Baronet had not an advocate in that House. The Honourable and Learned gentleman .pro—. ceeded to vindicate Ministers from any charge of remissness in affording tild to the Seta jeant in carrying the warrant into execution. Even if there bad been a doubt as to the effect of the warrant, whether it would bare en!itled the person who was to execute it to break open the house of the Hon. Bart. he should have been of ought still to hive been issued. He tlumght It creditable tai l intisters - thattheisPiritor disorder had been suppressed with so little mss. chief, and that the force of the country had been la temperately exerted. It was not the duty of Ministers to direct the Serjeant as to the mode of executing the warrant. As well might the Judges in our Courts of Law he called on to advise the. Sheriffs as to the execution of their duty. Its the Courts of Law the right of bretating into the house on warrants for contempt had been greatly qiiestionea, and it had - been held, that if of a cri. muiel nature, the breaking was lawful ; if not, that it was illegal. Lord TEMPLE and Sir S. ROMILLY ex. plained. Mr. C. W. WYNNE said, Ministers had al. lowed Piccadilly to be in the possession of the .nielb for too days, and the houses of several gen. deflect' to be derroyed ; and it was not till an at tack was made on Dostrning.street that any resist. fusee was thought of. He contended, that it was the duty of Gentlemee opposite to here instructed the &Taut as,to the mode of vieestieg the wdr.. uni t net on the grodhd of their being the Minis. ters of the Crown, but a' leading Members of that House, with wisons the measure of commit. ment hit originated. II 41 the proposal winr from that side of the House, ho should have esteemed them caned on to instruct. the Ser. kant how to act ; and he was satis6.4 he wroth, irli.g_verrnbeed. have received much better legal advice from his Ifonoaf.ible and 'partied Fans& (Mr. Adam), than in that quarter w .cre he had applied foi it. , Mr. 3. C. BEREiFORD declared, that he did not repent of the, vote he ha I given oil the former night. lie was rather convinced of the propriety Of that vole by subsequent mots. He. - • -she--441.8..-41-seonea-6101--pirhijoholl , . _. • his letter, in furtherance of a lons NOW enepese 'he had entertained, to .set the comet," at variaecc, and to produtie a revolutiee. From whet the in. Habitants of Weitininster saw of Cost sanquinAry. Gentleman, he was convinced there wirild be no danger of his . being again retuctied. On that conviction he should move for pis expulsion, did •he not see it was not agreeable to the sense of the , House. • . • Lord MILTON agreed Olt the letter to the, Speaker wig a great aggravation of the offence of the Honourable Baronet. He .did not approve, however, • of either . the original prop tition or the amendment. If the Bonn wore to notice it at ell,. he thought they ought to take some step in it, hut what he was nut prepared fo say. He was afraid they had expended all their. .ammunition at • ficst, and had already gone their full length. It would have been much better had they originally contented themselves with censure, and nut gone the length of conimitment: Mr. LYTTLETON said, it ever there was an occasion in which unanimity was required, this was the occasion. He was surprised at the speech of the Honourable and Learned Gentleman op. posim Oteplien), and was decidedly of opinion, that muth of the blame arising from the late san. guinary proceedings must fall upon Ministers. •As that, however, was not now the qnestiois, he' shouldnot Indulge in it at protest, but should content himself with stating, _that such was his cow/Wien. There could, he was convinced, be but mio opinion on the subject of the Letter now 'Hideo considerition. To tell the Speaker of . that House that he knew„ehe warrant he, had signed to he an illegal warrant, was a groat' insult, was language which no one Gen. &men sapid bo permitted to use towards an other, far less to the Speaker of thatifouse. - lie regretted to be obliged to say so, ionsidering the esteem he' bad felt for the Honeitenble Buono. Those Gentlemen who had obspeute ( the winning manners sad amiable qualities of the Honourable Baronet, ',could believe him when he said,.. that the sentiments he was now compelled to niter were wrung bona him ; let he must discharge his pub 1k duty, Witter ptinful and distressioe to. his -own leafy. This was a case, however, in which there eras no alternative, and he was compelled to declare that he was convinced there was not a .single expression in this letter which could he justified. As a friend to liberty, he could not agree that eke Henstitrahle Baronet was warrantee!, for four days, to continue a system of resistance to the solitarily of that Rouse, where he had not any reasonable prospect of ultimate success. A great man and a zealous friend to the liberties of Nis country, *whose loss that House had so fre quently otteleiell to-deplore, Mr. Fox, had laid it down that nothing could justify resistance but the prospect of ultimate success. Would it be said that the Hon. Bart. had, In this case, any snob prospect I Bet, in addition, the cireurestaseek under *MO the resistance had been attempted by the fko . . Ditypet made it in .him X ll crime. HsrJ ` t lei not pee by . the impliedproithe Of theilow., Baronet. matte to the Autjet6t, 'Oder he had Artfdtie. this was lte alworortiat of. th e , • - Am. .1 6 11114:0 L.. Mae. • * ton) must Injure him in- future not: only 14 a political but as private friend. There *as slip another circumstance which he could not reconcile in the conduct of the ilonottrable . Baronet, and it was this; that the flroneerable Baronet had bees s-tended from the 'first .te the last of fins aincoustitutional proceedings by the bro. they of a notorious • traitor (hear, hear !). He did Stoma to say that the treason of one brother was to be inferred from the treason of another. He did nut wish to be understood to say, that Hos ger O'Couuor was a traitor. But this he would say, that ft wateabecoming a persot in the is. tuition of the Honourable Baronet to chose Mid select as bit bosom friend, the brother of Ar. thur O'Connor. It was well known that this per. •0441 was a lifurealed and open traitor of the blackest kind; that he was employed in thi service of our natural - and implacable enemy, anti that his business was to conduct in English Nemspaper,in Paris, for the purpose of disrimui: oiling hie ;editions and treasons in this coentiy.. Was it by patronizing, encouragieg, and intr o. during foreign papers of thin dreciiptiOni that the lien. Baronet Witkiltli to protect the intereets,, and to secure anil re.estahlish the liberties *Sid rode. pendent' of England ? [hear! hear! heart] Me declared, that he did disclaim the Hoo..Birmilet - front the hottenrof-ivis-beirlriscid- that he' wield oppose him on every occasion. As he had already said, he was desirous of abttainiag at mount retorts any, observations on the conduct of Ministers. In statlhg what he had now done, be: had discharemi his (Jet) , ; and wishing, that on cOnduci such as that pursued by the Honourable Baronet, as strong a censure as possible should pass, the Naos . tion of the Chancellor of the Limb:quer shodhi , have his support. . . . . -Colonel 111JICITINiON trusted - the his 'pub lic conduct would protect him from the imputation of speaking disrespectfully of the Committees of the United Kingdom; neither could he he ,sippoecii capable of giving his sanction to any attempt of disturbing the trunqiiillity of the metropolis, Or df any part or the empire. Having tholght it ite. cebs4ry to make these preliminary obsereations ; he could wit acqviesee in eifiiir of the motions now proposal in he 'founded upon the letter of Vie Lion. Bart. Since first the di: session upon 'these ~ittifortulate traits:miens was orgi ated t hi gni. .t•ently took a lately ojiposite outer: i.) that of the ; !tight lion. Gentlemeti who were in Administiatioti. The first opportunity that he had, he doebred his opinion against the committal of Mr. Gate /Ones. He was nut in the Hoes . when that question was first brought forward; but tin a sublespent t#Ea.,... *ion he deerecated the' course porsued, and Yes one of a matiority of fourteen who voted for bit.. liberation. .‘Vithrint entcriog into aiy disciskitnels - i ,upon the eat raise of the privilege which the Housti .v, assumed, he did room:jet ihatlacinipated orate, • of Mr: Jones has the must venial,, aulthit theta. olesiori of the . . erablic from the dehatei •of 'that 416 *lse,. at that Spilflielliar . torment; tat 111 NW aitlll4.: provocatiou to excite popelar ; iiissootout: •• • .#o4l4.4*.A*M•PAlryli• Apabli* • T;stivi re'ingr .tt sat, to my torn l et 4 o it, ••*oni. knot !vas tenet& the country. (cis . Aar!) W!ke'll he hid resat the argument, ofillitHee o.,erable Baronet upon that ouoimitt* how.. ever he did regret the introdectiee Of idletii. perate lengusge, still. he was fulfy 4111044d' tb it through the whet., 'of that argument, sod In - ~every inference the Hon'ourable Iliroaet had 0 a ittj• be was correct. With such impression's spoil h$ :mind, there was nothing in the &induct el the ' 4.14 ht Honourable Gent!, ta o oppolitt to ladeeet ' him to alter his ocieinal• to traction. Ile iiivuld nut directly say s that the Reset toss against the lion. Baronet were first intrujecol at the will of the .Ministers, • huwever, strongly' be felt lie greet in.. terut and impatience 'clime by there re press and precipitate a tetity decisi on fiat' very serious subject. - lietievits4 then, ileac charge. able with hardship agein.t Mr. ate Joliet, and acquiescing in the correctness of the argetticnts of the Honourable Baruwe, it was impossible for him to vote for either the Motion of the , lion. Gentleieliti (Mr. Carotin). or the Amend. ment of the Chancellor of thi idachetier. T h e former ,the Chancellor had that night called upon the House to rally at this crisis around the Goterit. • ment. 'ln answer to seen .‘n appeal, he must sEly, that whilst lie :fasted upon every occasion to prove his attatihmeut to his Soverei,ei and Country, he still-mnst contend that no batty of men ill that House.could or ought to place their eenfideece iti any Ministry who did not unequivocally make to the country specific declarations - in favoorsOt that reform which every aimed mind new salitwas ab. solutely necessary, and without whiini .It wee hopeless to look for the support and Coolidence of the people of these realms. Mr. (AIRMEN briefly replied to sOme obtcr . -vations of the preceding speaker. He did nut think that in what •he had said in the commence. went of the dcbste, there was any ground fo"r the charge that he had is hileal In insinuationg against ' the lion. Baronet. Neither was he chargeable with having called for a blind and unmerited conli. dance in the present. Government, although he did think that there was some credit due to them fur, -the prproptitude end cfficieot arraneeuient of the ' precautioes Spinet the continuance of the late lin* fortunate tumults: ifs had no objection to with• draw as his only wish was to get an st the floats upon the lets e ll an is ito P o r :ncei 6itl sl ni en of ter °PIO Hoe. tiart. Mr. NV lIITHATIAD sahly he viola ea . l assent to have that mo•ion withdracia, as It walezthe only Amendinent to which he :coold conscientiously give his eigent. He did hut, bolster, mean to lIKISS the House to a diviiiokelios it. Mr. GOOCH expresteid his inmost ablibtranca of the coattect of the Ilonourabhe Barodet, and felt confident that. the misguided melte would woo see iris conduct in the saint Sp*. Lord COCHRANE felt cooodess that ha .. could not So charged with say gadvirlto throw the ,country. into a state of iatediso isinntotios, hew. coat be soigh_t. fed it Mi' duet% dlespprovo of soma .part ill Abe meted IhMit iiii The eaeitiiste stay befaiiiiillat im..culd dot I f xriber liei4rSired without iolliers of 4 _ - 4iitroso the mom' 'tie*. i . - • r? , • I' . t , t i \ ~ i . . . , s he ad w hat- , id At). ;alit? refer