The Statesman. — London, England, 1822-03-07 00:00:00

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In this condition they were to lead here nothing could be procured bit Gen cos, and horses that were tikes from the was under these circamstancee that he had 11 the direction aid responsibility of the far riolatioo to his own (foliage aid wishei v he was naturally anxious that .a person 611. okef a gentlemsoi should superinteod the It was due io decorum sad in. deceacy. semi of the Queea of England should 'be by a person Wag. at least, the rook of a . He complained upon this ground. because Is indignation the condition in which the mains were left. Os the atoning of. thet 'gust, be repaired at an early boor to Brim House, where he enquired if any one was dte charge of Hsi body. Fora long time so red. At last a porno came. law said he Wee take charge of it I a person who bad Whist meter which Ise had described as necessary tuition be was to 611. He (Dr. L.) a fur his authority, when be produced r for regulating the ceremonial, Upoo suiting as to the loselficieat names of the this person asked him if be meant .to le removal of the body .14 force. He certainly not. There could be sotbing far his wishes than to violate the decorum of a With regard to the use of the military, I leave to dissent from what had been said by Friend, upon that subject. He always consi oard of honour necessary upon the occasion, they were sent as tides mark of respect to her The lion. and Learned Member then es rby be did not admit the public into Brandeis use °pea tbe morning of the funeral. It was le to admit all the populace, aid the difficsl isisg tickets was incompatible with the baste rto be observed. The body then set off, companied it, hut having no authority what pon the first stoppage which took place, be elate what occurred, to spew that his lud been marked by citation aid propriety.— r rode up to his carriage, and stated his be they could sot proceed in the appointed route: rstood him (Dr. L.) to be 'nested with an o take the figural which way be thought begged be world give him orders to pro other way, He (Dr. 4.) mid that be pot such .asehority. aid thee raeommudod u afterwards done, saintly, that a mes &weld be dispatched to the Earl of Liver fresh instructions.—(Hear, hear, hear.)— r. tad Learned Geminate) then condemned alma, u prevent the recruit's from going the City, and dwelt epos the demonstrations tt grief and-sorrow of all classes of people.— !word with regret something which fell from it Hen. Geode's.; opposite, which seemed to that the illastrious personage, at that time ay to Ireland. had ordered the route laid down trocession. He could est believe that Minis. Ltd not retain to themselves the latitude of they thought most accordant to their reap**. spon inch an occasion. lie then referred to yat Cumberland-gate, and awed that he saw ert Wilson before be went to the soldiers to it firing; and that be attempted to dissuade refrom as he was convinced that he would be set the basard of his life. From the maim, venation of his Hon. Friend, he believed. that vas the last moment of his life, that his only in so doing was the desire of preventing the of blood. They arrrived at Romford at 'clock, and he would state to the House the who bad charge of the funeral at that place. rid foremost, there was the illustrious personage Is he had before spoken—Mr. Thomas; the rho was much better, was Mr. Chippendale, a who let out horses and carriages; and last, not least, for he always behaved with propriety Mr. Bailey, a partner in the house of Saunders nley, undertakers. This was the triumvirate roverntd every thing; and their orders were is a manner which chewed. that they were quite on. of their power. When he once remonstrated time at which the procession was to move, be iswered by Thomas that if any one presumed to lie time he would call in the military.—(Hear, —He then set off to Chelmsford, and before ig at that place the horses were knocked op, e whole procession was in a disgraceful state of .r. When they got there, and the body was from the hearse, Sir George Nayler was not to id. The crown and cushion were placed upon fin by some one else, for Sir 0. Nayler bad If comfortably to bed. They set off at eleven ay fur Colchester, and arrived there at four in ernoon. They were then told by the ruling irate that they mast proceed again at eight ening. He remonstrated against this in vain, e produced the letter of the Earl of Liverpool, rh he stated that if the body could not be re with decorum and propriety in two days, three be allowed. This produced some effect, and it last decided that they shonld proceed at five it morning. To this he was obliged to accede; tare opposed the triumvirate, backed as they r the military, would have been to place his life ger. He neat came to the inscription on the and he would relate the wbole circumstances ted with that point. He was with her Majesty :ht before her decease, previous to which time il scarcely sent for him for four weeks. She I him to promise her that he would use his best ours to have the inscription placed upon her He considered at the time the great respon wiirla the promise involved, and he begged mild repeat her commands, if she wished him one tlittu. This she did with per dyieg 1 , • THE STATERM, botY bar *NW la Vim" mu rat en the weilm le eke absence of ale s diploma doe crown. That Oltea tree; leseribed with, the:wept!. 44 lien lies el!! 1 1, 11 . 44: Casella*, the .aqb 1 1010 1 4 119 9 - at 14 ' ''...- What, that seas. ea issesipOes eitesid be sawed ..te remain on the andiat—what week! be We lean, lice so be draw Ike. that? If the ezrainra ad take*. elhergi vi the. foam], theY 16 0. 14 °worn. improperly, hers pissed such a plate oat I It Iv* impeeeihkstbat the Officers at the Crown, fter they :bad mhos charge of **body, amid Islow h amilseesiptlaa. And be begged Item again to . Permitted fie my, that if any 'crags bid been COw heisted in the atra, the Offseers.of. the Crewn mile of responsible, bet these perms, who bad auempted ise.plaelag ea of Oat indoeMst insertpties. The lees jpoint then, to which be would same, was the omission ;of the fitters, se►vice at, the place of, intersect. .What Abe would say to that was, that it was not the custom to other sountriva. The Hume was as, therefore, to infer, that because there, was no funeral serriaal there was a want of respect , to,har Majesty. The Honour, able Gentleman (Mr. Bennet) admitted tbet the Drib,. of Brautrick had no funeral service performed for him. On the whole he hoped be bad clearly proved, that the use respect bed bee. shewn to her Majesty which bad bees usual with other ushers of the Royal Family. He hoped, in showing, that he did out travel out of his way. He weald then sit lawn quite satisfied that the House would negative the Hon Gentleman's proposition; and be was eqUally satisfied, that from the documents be saw, his Majesty'. Minis ters intended to execute, as u well as they amid, the will of the Queen. Dr. LUSHINOTON said, that be shoalciteuer have revived the subject then before the Reuse, if the pre sent motion had not been brought forward. That being done, however, it became his ditty to give bis opinion, and to explain certain facts and circumstances with which be bad been personally coducted. He should end to follow the example of the Right Hon. Geodesists opposite, by abstaining from all topics which cook! properly be left out of the discus sion. It had been his misfortune throughout the whole of this unfortneate case. to incur blame from both the parties connected with it. He incurred blame from these who supported his Majesty's Minis ters, for having taken too active a part; aid he in curred blame from those who were peculiarly called the Queen's friends, for not hiving gone far enough in snpport of the dignity and solemnity of the fo peral ; sad he was afraid that he should still disagree with both sides in some puts of the speech he was about to make. He had a difficult course to steer, and that which be did, he conscientiously thought to be for the best. Above all, he had taken care net to sager the exercise of the power of that &natio. to which her Majesty apitoisted him, to be polluted, (for he could call it nothing else) by party motives. — .1 (Hear. hear.)—He trusted the House would pardon him if he went into some details, for the purpose of explaining what did .tear. and what did net eCeart with regard to the *creamy of her Majesty's fa The moment the decease took place, be despetebed a messenger to Lord Liverpool, squinting him with the fact. He was then occupied during the night in arranging the papers of her Majesty, which it was necessary should be placed is a state of security. The seat day. at twelve o'clock, he had his first interview with the First Lord of the T y. Is giviag the Holm an account of what passed between himself and that noble individual, in his absence, he was sure ihat he should rather state the case against himself than otherwise. If he knew his own heart, he was inca pable of misrepresenting in the slightest degree any thing which passed under such circumstances. The first words which Lord Liverpool addressed to him were—" I have no hesitation in informing you. that it is the intention of his Majesty's Government to bear the expeoces of the fsneral." He (Dr. L.) con fessed that be was at the time so ignorant of the nature of such occurrences, that he did not know where the expense was to come from. He asked the Noble Lord what facilities would be afforded to the Execu tors to have the body interred according to the direc tions of the Will. Lord Liverpool requested that the First Lord of the Admiralty might be consulted as to the means of conveying the corpse across the sea. He heti then to eater into communication with Lord Melville and the Honourable Admiral opposite; and from them he not only received every possible civility, but every possible accommodation and assistance.— Nay,more, it was in justice due for him to state that Lord Melville bad carried his kindness so far as to give him a personal recommendation to Capt. Doyle. The Earl of Liverpool, anxious that the corpse should be removed as speedily as possible to its destination, Saturday was first named for the day of its departure; but he (Dr. Lushington) remonstrated, and Monday was then fixed. The motives of this haste on the part of Ministers Lord Liverpool declared to be— first, the directions of the Queen ; and secon.ity, that his Majesty was then waiting to land in Ireland, and the country in a state of great anxiety for that evens; so that the greatest possible inconvenience must arise from the body not leaving the country with all possi ble and decent dispatch. His Lordship further stated, that it would be desirable to consider the body's be ing put on board as equal to interment. Ile-(Dr. Lushington) acceded at once to these proposals, for he raw reason in them. He thought it desirous that the remains should be removed with speed, as far as de corum and propriety would admit. He thought so, because he felt that it would be a mockery to expect, that after all which had passed, the Royal Personage who was then absent should be overwhelmed with sorrow at his loss.—(Hear, bear.) But he afterwards found that the species of dress necessary for the occasion could not be prepared in time. He found also that there would be the greatest difficulties to encounter on the other side of the water. He was informed that when they arrived at Stadt, they would find no conveniences whatever for prosecuting the journey, with the retinue necessary. to the solemnity. —lle applied to Baron Beat. the representative of the Hanoverian Minister, Count Munster, and found that he had been correctly informed upon this sub ject. lie understood from Lord Liverpool that the time of performing the journey to Harwich was to be two days, if it could be done in that time with due de corum and propriety, if not three days were to be al. lowed. He then met to Baron Best again. and in quired whether any specific arrangements had bees wade at Stadt for the conveyance of the corpse and bees* Net brim satisfied wills ibis, its posed. OM it tdrNltl be hearted Codicil to the WA 4b14 vies 'unendingly 'Setts.' lie *took Iliii . preeteititik, %senile 'll' lett that It would isetlieistregh f o r ig eons forward after bleifr joits deal# and ell thritsite bad made a private re iliettletteliebia•. WOOL He foresaw all the diffierd. thrs.whiek this wrest would brieg spas him, but he *his deliermised toe:tents it to the best of tria shill e Wires tie linsidted the will to Laid Liverpool. *Adds ibeervid, that the Government could t,t carry tl s codicil into elect, as they would there ,.lrecastirtg.a censure upon themeless. The Hon. acid Learned Member solemnly declared that he bad awns eadresseed the objection of the Earl of Liver pool to be to the Ministers ordering this iestriptilk themselves. He might have been 'Footle this, ball he believed that the Oevernment did not mean to II!' lettere with the executors if they affixed theinseriptimi to the collo. The plate was not ready until the mom , lag of the 14th, and there was us oppertenity viacieg it is its situation whilst the corpse waist Ii England, but that which presented itself at Celebes.' ter, He felt himself thus placed in the most diffialt. circumstances. He felt reluctant to perform this of-, ice in the chinch, and he felt that this was the last opportunity be should have of performing it at all-a— `lie begged that the house would not look at this Sir :camstance with coolness and reflection, without corral :tiering the feelings by which be was agitated at the ,time. lie took the alternative. He had pledged his 'honor—his sacred honour to his dying mistress, and' he acted to the best of his judgment a just part; and if he were again placed ander similar circumstances,' so help him fled, he would pursue the same course.— He knew that it bad been said, that be profaned the House of God ! and be knew that there were canting methodist', who bad approved his conduct to his face, and traduced him behind his back. He chose a time for his purpose, when the Church was nearly empty. and it was not until the plate had been affixed to the ieffin for three minutes, that any representation was made upon the subject. He left the Church and saw no indecorous disturbance. He did hear that the mi litary afterwards entered, but that was after he was gorse, and he saw nothing of it. They then proceeded to Harwich, where the body was taken out of the hearse and conveyed along the quay in such haste that he was obliged to run to keep op with it. There was no pall upon the coffin, and the boat in which it was con veyed was filled so that be could not accompany it.— The Hon. Member for Huntingdon compelled ten of the undertakers men and four carriages to embark for Stadt, and even with this force they bad the greatest difficulty in proceeding when they arrived there. With one little exception he bad no complaint to make as to the conduct of the funeral for the remainder of the journey to Brunswick. There was another point upon which he was anxious to vindicate his own conduct from misrepresentations which had gone abroad.— One of the Honourable Members for the City of Loaders had coesidered himself neglected iu not being allowed to accompany the funeral as one of the iiimealeelek He had meoldered the Homarable Mena: her as a friend of the late Qsees, and be had in ended to provide for his attendance in that capacity. Bo Lard Liverpool subsequently desired him to put hews the names of all the household, for whom pro vide's meld be made. This of coarse excluded the Hon. Alderman, and he sent him a copy of the letter. Whet they were at Harwich, he was again applied to to pet down the name of the Honourable Alderman. Bet be would again ask, how in the name of honour he could, acting upon the same principles, pat him down as one of the household at Harwich, when he had refused to dose at Brandenburgh House. Three weeks after this he was astonished to find that his letter, and that of Lord Liverpool's, bad been printed, with another censoring his conduct from the lion. Alderman, whom he had daring that period seen at Brunswick, without his saying a word upon the sub jeet. The Hon. and Learned Gentleman then adverted to his interconse with the Queen previous to her death. Some months had elapsed, daring which be was reldom with her. Ile considered that his sduty was at an end when the trial finished, and, amongst other reasons, his professional engagements greatly operated to prevent his being with her Majesty; bet above all, he deprecated becoming her political ad riser. He avoided it, because he did not feel himself qualified, and because he was satisfied that the Queen would be so mach better advised , by her then Attor ney and Solicitor General. With regard to the mo tion before the House, he acquitted Lord Liverpool of all intention of paying disrespect to her Majesty's re mains; hut the persons who had the details of these' plans were guilty of culpable and studied neglect. He complained that a proper person was net sent by the Governroest to accompany the funeral—that too much bad been left to chance—that decency had been violated—that the respect which was her due, with held—and the feelings of the country again outraged. With such feelings, however, and though he did not attach blame to those in power, yet if the lion. Mem ber pressed his motion to a division, he would give it his support.—Hear, hear.) The Marquess of LONDONDERRY said, that in consequence of the full explanation given on this occasion by his Right Hon. Friend, and in the candid manner in which the Hon. and Learned Gentleman delivered himself, his own duty, in opposing the mo• tion before the house, would be very much narrowed. The Honourable Member for Shrewsbury had made a grave charge against his Majesty's Ministers, of hav ing. denied to her late Majesty's remains the ordinary solemnity due to a Queen of England ; and of having been morally answerable far the blood that was shed on the day when the funeral entered the metropolis. Indeed the Hon. Member did not go so far in his accu sation as be had done on a former day, when h., charged the Ministers with being the authors of the massacre on the 14th of August ; hut still lie said they were morally responsible for it. Now so far as the con duct of Ministers was concerned, he conceived that he .could not adopt a better defence than the Hon. and Learned Gentleman who spoke last had made for them; for that Hon. Gentleman bore testimony to every arrangement and accommodation ordered by the several officers of the Government in regard to the funeral.— He should now, however detail such circumstances re specting the business as required an explanation, and describe what was the true position in which the par ties had been placed. Whatever right the Hon. end Learned lient.einan might have in his character of ex- So 1111.1.11.11.111111. 7 1 5 111 Thet Ifiojeety. that rig t Min regard ko a prints iiiiirldstal„ but not so in respect to a Member of the Royal Family; for the right of retro ladog the funeral of aiyaudh person lobldaged aloes to the' Crowa,and .lot to as ettcator, who bad aothing to de • trilkit. Lord Liverpool bad told the Hon. eel' Learnetyleatlemsa, that the expenses of the funeral. were to be bores by the Goveromen‘ gad it was ia the Government alone that the right of directing it eitisted. The executers, therefore. had nothing to do with the funeral, and the Holt. Gentletnan, although executor, did not weedy, it necessary for him to take the responsibility on himself. Ile (Lord Londonderry) could assure the House, from the best source of ice- • formation, that the management of the funeral was intrusted by the Government to . Mr. Thomas. a gentleman perfectly qualified to undertake it. Mr. Thomas was the officer next under Mr. Mash, who could not be present at the funeral, because, as be belonged to the Lord Chamberlain's office, be was at* . that time obliged to be in attendance upon his Ma jesty, who WAS thee on his way to Ireland. Mr. Thainas was the same gentleman who bad conducted the funeral of the babe of Kent, and no funeral could be better conducted than that was. It was well known that Lord . Liverpool bad given directions to have tbe f I properly conducted ; and the Secretary of the Lord Chamberlaio's department was desired to condact it with every kind of solemnity and decorum from Har wich to Hanover. It was evident, then, that the (lo- vernment had employed the whole of the department to perform every duty that was necessary on this ucca sion. The ceremonial sent forth as to the manner in which the funeral should be conducted. was a docu ment which proved that Government bad taken upon aself the whole responsibility of the business; aid that it was one in which the executors could have so power whatever. But at the same time there was every disposition on the part of the Government to listen to any suggestions which the executors might melte. It would be recollected :bat her late Majesty, is her last moments, desired that her remains mizet be removed in three days after her decease ; and from this it was evident that she had no disposition to be followed by funeral pomp, or that her remains should receive any attentioas on the part of a popu lace, from which, perhaps, she felt that before that time she had derived no advantage. The Noble Marquess then remarked upon the disposition evinced by Government to hasten the funeral; but he wished it lo be understood, that this desire of accelerat eng.the departure of the corpse did not originate with his Majesty. The arrangements were made upon the parti cular responsibility of his Noble Friend, the Minister ire London at that time. He could say this, because it hap pened that be was in personal attendance upon his Ma jesty at the tints when the intelligence of the Queen's death arrived. He could assute the house that tne in tehtigence was received by the Illustrious Personage with great feeling, and that every rearkofirespect, such as lowering flags and offier ceremonies. were ordered by his Majesty expressly, who did not appear on deck for a considerable time. After the arrangements had been made, considerable inconvenience would have been occasioned by an alteration ; and it was therefore very properly resolved to adhere to them. With respect to the proposed inscription on tie coffin, he coold not im pute any blame to his Noble Friend for the course he took; bet he (the Marquess) was decidedly of opinions that the Hon. and Learned Gentleman had ho right whatever to do *bat he had done. This remark, how- , ever. be was not disposed to press unnecessarily ; and he would only observe. that his Noble Friend bast informed the Hon. and Learned Member that such an inscription would not be allowed to be placed on the coffin while her Majesty's remains were in the custody of the King's- Officers. The Hon. and Learned Gentleman was ace, however, to understand that he was to be at full liberty to step in at any time afterwards, and in his character of executor, affix the inscription. Such an understand ing would have been a contemptible evasion on the part of his Noble Friend, who had merely intimated that the proceeding could not be permitted in this country, though he did not anticipate the course which might be taken by others. With regard to the embarkation, it was very true that there had been a desire to accelerate itat Harwich, and he believed this had been done wit's every possible solemnity; but if there Itad been any in advertency. any thing for which some bla.ne might be at tributed to an undertaker, surely this was not a gruirld of serious charge against his Majesty's Ministers. The qtiestio.: was, what had been the intention ?—(llear.) The Hon. and Learned Gentlemen himself appeared to acquit Ministers. He had panegyrised the Bari of Li verpool ;he had anegyrised Lord Melville; he had panegyrised the A dmiralty, and indeed every one, except the immediate officers of the Governipent. As to the rapidity with which the procession had been carried on, he could not agree, that because it bad been interrupted on the first day, the arrangements should he altered en tirely, especially as it was to be remembered that the church at Chelmsford bad been fitted op for the recep tion of the coffin, and the persons connected w ith time town were in expectance of seeing the arrival of the • procession. He now carne to the heinous offence whir'. had been committed by Ministers, in acting against the opinion of the Common Council of the city of London. Ministers were not bound to attend to that opinion, even .had the arrangements not been made before it eas ex pressed. Those arrangements, however, had been 4 4.1 made. (Ilse Noble alarqness here referred to the offi cial letter in answer to that conveying the resolutions of the Common Council.) And these arrangements being thus made, he thought it was a little too much to VW. that they should he all disturbed. He did not wish to speak disrespectfully of the Common Council, although he was unfortunately in the habit of lila; ring from theme upon public matters; hut, really, when hr considered the opinions they had expressed respecting the Quern, h • certainly would not go out of his way to s:inform to their opinions. He had net heard of any disposition they had shewo to pay attention to the memory of her lat.- Majesty Queen Charlotte ; and be thought it not alto gether. necessary that the Queen of England should be in t d udder the auspices of the Common Council of the City of London. It was some relief to Ministers in the measures they took, to know that thee were acting under her Majesty's own directions; for even without them, it would have been desirable to pre vent the funeral from being made a vehicle for that e. bat and faction which had disturbed her peace whde 1 l ing.—(Hear, hear.) If the funeral could have bean con ducted by water, Ministers wished it to have been so conducted : but the navigation of the river rendered it highly inconvenient. He admitted, however, that he preferred adhering to the spirit, ash • conceived it,of her Majesty's will, to deferring to the o linen of the Com mon Council. On the whole, he d -eply lamented that the attention of the house and °lute country should hay been called to a subject which had better be blotted from remembrance. He should always look bark with pain to the disgraceful scenes which had taken Owe dur ing her Majesty's life. but he wished them to be forgot. ten, a wish in which be believed be was heartily plink by her late Majesty's best friends. He could not, how ever, sit down without expressing it as hi* opinion, that there was no day in the history of•the country more die grass: fol to it than that, .on which a spiteasatic