The Statesman. — London, England, 1812-01-31 00:00:00

TflE' STATESMAN. vistrs to be the intention of the Regent not to enter into any details, but to encourage, on gene al pjnciple, every attempt to instruct the poor. Lord Snows Low conceived that the plan included ell Di %sell ters. Sir K. Ptantt,—Your system renders it impossible, that Dissenters should accept of its offers. 'They cannot consent to have their children educated in the principles of the Church of England ; nor is it 4 all necessary for the purposes of a common education, that they should be so educated. Mr. DALTON, of Naith.—There should be some eitirch attendance on the part of these children. *Sic R. IlLnoy,-- - -Yes; and let each go to his own church as he pleases. Mr. DALTON.—No, I think not; that is scarcely , . to be admitted. Rev. Mr, T.URN ER, of Caistor. —My Lord, I feel lively interest, not only iu the eternal happiness of onankluj, but also hi the goof order of society, and in their present happiness. I therefore feel it My duty to say a few words. We are all aware that it has become a sort of popular fashion to condemn whatever has the appearance of a connection with our establishment, whether of Church or State. — But I really believe, that if our Church Establish pi cut were well understood, there would be fewer ' Dissenters in the country. If the great body of the Dissenters would read the writings of the Fathers, they would find that our views are very near to their own. It is nut a new system which was Made for the purpose, it isothe original s) stem of Christianity re formed from the abuses, and from :he prevailing in. I Mimeo of the See of Rome. There can be but one s. , nthnent in this assembly - , that the plan of this na tional education is a good one, and that we are met in order to give effect to it by the best means. From wh -t the Ilan. Baronet has said , I must suppose he b;!lieves. that the Church of England n orship is the most pine, and, in order to promote the design. of this national education, we should go to the purest source for assistance. But I must materially differ from him with respect to the Lancasterian System ; for the not inculcating of any religion, is the very means of making Dissenters. Tin' minds of chit- I drew are remote(' to twigs. They will grow up as I they are bent. But, if at these schools they are al 19wed to read Bible without explanation, all must I:now what will be the consequence. - For my smrt, I cannot conceive hpw Dissenters can be in troduad into our selicnls. For, in these schools, we must teach the principles of our own church. 1,1 sincerely regret that our worthy bishop is not here. Ile has proved, in the excellent book he has pub. tislEd, that the Church of lingland is not Calvinis tic, that it is not Lutheran, that it is not built up- on any human system, but that it is truly apostolic. ! Where, then, 004, you go for principles to instil Into the minds of children, but to that which has stood the test of a-zes? 111:'114110 ELLIiON, Esq. declared himself a de-' ehlod friend to tho Established Church, but professed him: elf universal in his toleration to every Dissenter, ; And would live in perfect peace and charity with them all. I shall not, then, said he, incur any charge of intolerance, when I say, we ought to adopt, as the basis of our school, in Lincolnshire, what the meet it;g in London has adopted as a basis. The worthy 13,aronet says, it may do for Lincoln or for Leeds, 1)31 he thinks it too contracted for a national system. 'From what I shall have die honour to read to you, you will see that it is the design of the Committee in Tondo'', to make the national religion the founda tion of national instruction.—Mr. E. then read a tart of the preamble of the circular letters unto London. To supporting this principle, said he, we do not mean to offer interruption to any Dissenters whatever.— They have the free use of their religion, and will also have the free education of their children. But whet/ I am called ;Too to do what is desirable in thu instruction of the younger poor, I should not do my duty if did not offer my purse, my attention, and my care, and if I did nut ccosult my conscience too, as to what may be proper to secure their salva tion. I bciieve that education mav be either a bles sing or a curse ; and if you give education, you must also give what is the great regulatorof it, you must give moral notions and religious opinions. This, it is oui de si..-01 to do, in tachiite the principles ofour own choral. ;let we offer no exclusions. All may go to it that ish to go to it. IN e are putting ourselves in the characters of adopted parents, to the children of the poor. But I ite.ier can do thnt without doing to those children what I would do for my own. I ould give them instructions accompania by reli gin—they should go step by step, hand in hand to-. gether, or not at all. Is there a Dissenter who would not du the, same ?—We know that while he is educating his owe child he will not allow the Ii I• II VP: • . of the Church of England. But this he could affirm [lO. 'general reply to this was heard, Yes, Me to be a false accusation, for when Mr. Lancaster was 61 0 4 % 1 • at Bath, he delivered a lecture upon his plan of edu- I Sir Roatwr ließom ;laving withdrawn his firstßes cation, in which lecture he introduced s e veral selec- • solution, proposed the second ) by way of Amend tiotts from the Liturgy of the Church. It is welt • meta to the oriekisal Resolutions, in these words : known, said Mr. Langton, that the Quakers have no ; Resolved, That . . the plan of education adopted at this Aleeting, liturgy; and M. Lancaster paid a proper respect to be such as not to .exclude Christian Disseptcrs ; and that the chi teit r litreove l ztiwi worships.iclebepeon itiedt to attend Diviac Service at Co etacea the national church, by making it his text-book. or h Indeed, that 14ncaster,ts hostile to the Church, a CHAPLIN, of Riseholm, thought the children sufficiently disproved by the very marked patronage ; should be obliged to attend the Church Service ; but which he had received from his Majesty, who is ; afterwards might be allowed to attend what Other placed at the head of that 'Church, and by the known ! places they thought proper. • adoption of his plan, under ti k e auspices ,of that dis- The Amendment was then proposed, but rejected ; tinguished Prelate, the Bishop of Norwich. Now can and the original Motion was passed by a !Argo skew any one suspect Lancaster's System of improper prin- lof hands. . , ciples, for Sir Romeo Mann has communicated tome I Mr. DRAPER returned thanks to the Chairman, for a circumstance, which at once removes from it every I the candour which the Dissenters had experienced, Suspicion of the kind, and de„ionstrates its excellent ! during the Meeting, and the attention with which tendency to promote good morals.—Namely,--That I they had been heard. .. during six years, since his school has been opened at I On the Motion of Mr, ELLISON, the thanks of the gorwich, there has not been an instance of one of Meeting were voted to Lord Brownlow, for his con the children of that school being brought before a ctuct in the Chair. Magistrate for any, pffence whatever. I also conceive a decided superiority in the plan of Lancaster, be r cause it is comprehensive and liberal, offering itistruc tion to all, while that of Dr. Bell requires exclusive in- Istruction in the principles and doctrines of the Church of. Eugland, Is not this intolerance, or something like intolerance? Is it not, in fact, offering instruc tion as a bribe to the poor, to adopt your religion, and refusing iostroctina tp 'those who decline to ac e cept your bribe? The Rev. Mr. Um, of Lincoln, .followed the arguments of Mr. Turner and Mr. Ellison; addipg, that to teach the principles of all parties in the same school, would be introducing a perfect chaos. . Sir RoiscaT lhaoN said, that he was sorry to trouble the company again, but felt himself called upon by the Reverend Gentleman who spoke last, who had asked, in what religion were the children to be instructed? I hope I gave my opinion fairly, as lam bound to do. I think I said (because it cer tainly is my opinion) that they should not go in structed in any dogmas whatever, which would have , a tendency to exclude the children of Dissenters. But because I would not have them taught party', creel, I hope it is not supposed that I would have 1 them without any religion at all. I would rather i give them my own than that they should be without any. But my idea is, that they would still enjoy ; the same rcligio,us instruction which they now do, and I have the additional advantage of being more generally instructed. As to what has fallen from another quer d ter, said I wished the plan to be so far enlarged es I not to exclude the Dissenters ; for certainly, whether it be right or wrong, they will be excluded if dogmas are to be taught, which are contrary to their system. I do not say you are wrong if you adopt the reso , lutions ; I only wish that the opionions I state may be fairly considered. It is not my practice to believe ; that every man who does not think as I do in reli c gion, is an Atheist; or in politics, a Jacobin, and an enemy , to the Government. But certainly tae I Church of Eugland, which is of a comprehensive ea ! pacit), contains within it all ranks of men : and among its numerous clergy none can doubt there are many scoundrels, alt Cough I really believe they are, in the main, a respectable body of men, and quite as good as we can possibly expect. Where, however, any one could pick up from what I said any thing hostile to the church, I cannot imagine-- but I have though 4 it necessary to say thus much in explanation, ii, order to guard against a mi,con ception. Undcmbtedly, the invitation to assemble here, by the Lord Lieutenant and the Bishop, was narrowed ; but when here it is every man's duty to give his opinion, and to take the opinions of others. We are to discuss freely and openly every system, and to decide upon that which appears the best for the communitv. Mr. M twin, of Lincoln, wished to ask the ques tioa. whether the children of Dissenters were to be admitted into the schools, on condition of going to the F..:fiblished Church, and of their not going to a dis senting Liming. This had not been explained. Burr said only one religipus system could ly• taught, and that must he the system of the Church of Eng.and, end asked whether the Dissenters would teach Cite established religionin their schools. Mr. DIOPER, a preacher in the Methodist connect flan, replied, we teach no system of religion it all ; we teach the word of Got); for we conceive to bind ourselves to the principles of a party, would be a plan far too narrow. The system that has been pro posed to-day, is certainly too contracted. If it is to be called a national school, why not permit the whole nation to support it ? It cannot be called with propriety a national institution, when a very large proportion of the nation is virtually excluded from it. Mr. Rm. expressed his indignation at• the word •tulrel MO- - been ilied ' bed, FRIENDS of the 119Y1I, LANCAS- X 'FP:MAN SYSTEM for the EDUCATION of the POOR, beg lease to suggest to the tiargy and Ministers of va rious denominations, the propriety of addressing their congrega tions, on the approaching Fast-day, upon the great motional benefits which must be expected to result from general instruc tion in the iblly Scriphoes, as the most effectual means to di minish national sins and avert national judgments. Collections Might then he made M aid of that Institution, by the agency of ' which one hundred thousand chillicen, in difFereut parts of the British Empire, have been rescued from ignorance. &Ascriptions and donations will be received by Meow.. Ken sinAtons, tityan, and Adams, Bankers, Lombard-street ; Joseph Fox, Esq. 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But though the House of Commons has supinely suffered the country to be inundated by a foreign banditti—though this part of the Legislature has shown a complaisance, which our an cestors would have called servility, or something werse, if they could have contemplated the Admi ralty Droits, and other resources of Ministers ; yet that is no excuse for the supineness of the nation at large. The Counties and Borough towns might have met and reminded the Sovereign of the exist ence of the different Acts of Parliament against the Piave the management of it, confirms public le• port,—Some accounts say, that the privat e pr o . perty of the- KING amounts to FIVE N1;1,110..,.. MIMI to Three; but were it only Batt' a ill;. Ijou, we eoneeivo it to be unconstitutional, and w e kppw it to be highly dangerous to our liberties brae .tipe KING should possess, as his own private pron.ri, a single guinea —much less that lie should 1-,„ e 1 right to hoard; for, in the first place, whose pr 0 p,,,,, is it that he hoards, arid for what purposeis it hoanieffs These are questions which the nieJticst understti,(l. ing can answer, as well as Itlr. PERCEVAL; and th e , are questions that every man should put to lvi ins , ; , , nosy that the secret is -out, and avowed, that the li l y, has amassed considerable riches. It is also ackiw r , ledged that the KING has made severai porclias, of land ; this was known generally, but it i s now publicly justified, or at least talked of a matter of course; but if we conceive rialw y of the situation of a king in a limited tnonarcliv, he has no right to purchase land.--If he is peralitti4 ito buy one acre, he may buy a million ; and a ki ng with such freeholds in his possesspn, w ill soap bi t a conditieo,were he so disposed, to dispossess us of ail our freeholds.---If a million, or 1,'200,9001. br. n ot 1 enough for his civil list expenditure, double these i —quadruplo it—by no means s ti n t th e Ki ng, or -leave him without the means of amply rewardin g merit of every kind and great public services ; but J R no account allow him to amass wealth for 11 i MPH', Ur to hold even one acre of land in fee.—Kings of I:ai. land hare no right to be freelto:ders, PROOFS OF THE PROSPERITy OF OUR MANU, FACTURES. The late rise of colonial produce and he prow, int rf Ala thief manurst. taring towns, must give great conliMoce in tim power and resources of the British Empire, as they afford a .1;:. nal triumph over the machinations and the malice oldie enemy: , —[Scse the Courier of yesterday.] We might refer to the experience of the whole ma. nufacturing towns in Great Britain and Ireland, is evidence of the falschood of the above statement. At present we shalt only adduce two instances : the riots at Nottingham, and the alarm which has been excited in Glasgow, in consequence of a disposition with h has appeared among the operative wearers there to proceed to extremities. In addition to what we communicated yesterday respecting the proceedings of the rioters at Nottingham, we are informed that a respectable housethere, 4C being apprehensive for the fate of some frames at Hucknail, applied for military aid to a Magistrate (which was only wanted for one night, it being ;Wended to remove the property next des); I but the request was refused, on the plea that Lent WALDEGRAVg refused to suffer his men to go out, unless applied for in the morning; and although the Magistrate was reminded that the military were on, der the ecultroul of the Civil Power, he, notultb. standing, p ‘rsisted that he had not the power to command Lord Wetestaretve. Considerable pro, perty being in danger in the parish of Linby, appli, cation was made to a Meeting of Magistrates for a military guard for that district, for a few days, un til such property could be removed to places of greater security ; the answer was, that the General must be consulted before any thing could be done. —4. t a late Meeting at the County Hall, Not. iltdegharn, the Duke of NEWCASTLE, Lard Lieu tenant, In the Chair, _it was resolved, That a I subscriution be entered into by the inhabitants of the county of Nottingham, for the purpose of ob. tabling such information, and enforcing such mea sures as might be judged necessary by a Committee of the Magistrates, for bringing to jnstice the per:on.l concerned km pet pet rating the outrages so prevalent in the; county ; and farther, it was the opinion of the said Committee, that all persons who shall have sus tained aliy loss by malicious mischief, except (to es a most unaccountable exception) the owners of stock ing or lace-frames, in consequence ot their exertion , in aid of the civil power, be offered a compensation out of such subscriptions as may be mule, &e. The sub. scription was opened by his Grace with 5001. and the like sum was subscribed by Lord Meenevroe. De legates from the Luddites, we are farther informed, have beet tent into Yorieshire, to foment disturbances ' 11 ti it! r‘.l iy Y ) t 4 ng ail or ti' is At ots led iaf ted erg ble o a it met the to pil l r 2 tl of oral me. rot. cu• to of ob. of on: tin tho me- -1; a ow; as enurzturg tits owe onus ne Wilt inn akintlY I ne 1 scoundrel having been applied to the great body of iA cts of Parliament against the i have been sent into Voritshire, to foment disturbanies . , r 1 euce of the different 0 teecher to instil hitt? him any but his own opinions. ' the clergy.—{A general cry of " No! yo !It - WejS Introduction of foreign troops into the country, and iin that county ; and a deputation of 13 has been to the i ' 1 And why lire we to act in a different manner ?- if nor so!"] I called epon his MAJtivry to respect those laws which • lipitaffields weavers, in Loudon , for the same illegal we do not attend to their religious education when [Here a desultory,couvermtion arose, which continued for ; • ibis I' ' we offer them the bread of knowledge, we shall be some ti me . New seemed able to de fi ne es meat precis! "Otto , perfidious Ministers had violated. The KING purpose." Will it be said that the alarming aspect t4' 'I the nattuant-seholl sus •to he conduetell• and the ennuirieree can certainly do r ight, &fl a g. them a.titone, we shall 'be infuaitig into.thens. Ito. shtrer and hp. Draper, which • were ' frequentl., , pressed ! P though we are gravely assured 1 which these proceedings bear, and which have given V' . a poison, ra th er than Conferring a good. You' neither the Chairman nor his frieqds could satisfactorily an- h e can do no wrong—and having the power to do .rise to a Meeting of such' importance, are proofs a would soon see what reading and .writing would swer.] - tutus?" right, the Freeholders and Burgesses might have , the " prosperity of our chief manufacturing do without religious instruction.—But we are Mr. Thyme thought the plan not sufficientlydi- assembled in their respective counties and. towns, I Again, when the following particulars relative to the t t raked intolerant—a good deal has been seid gested; to which it was replied, but we are ,come 4 stout irritating the minds of the Dissenters. I ask here to digest it. The Chairman observed . we are , and prayed his MAJESTY to dismiss those Ministers situation of matters at Glasgow, are matte sof& who i'ritates the Dissenters, where are they op- to proceed:on the Resolutions of the Committee in t ' who had brought foreian mercenaries into the natioe 1 ciently public, will the Ciurier have the int. et 11 4 ' pressed? It is not the character of the Church of London, end that the subject of going to church, or ;iu defiance of law. It is not too late for the people , , pn . . again .. , i 1 • .''gland to irritate them. i hope I. shall not be not going to church, was ' not decided by them • hut • deuce to come forward and, repeat its to assemble for this purpose, and address the i unfounded assertion ? 4 , A most serious alarm I thought to speak with any disrespect of that most • the thought it mightlollow as a corollary, that the; PRINCE to employ the Germans on foreign service, I was last week excited at Glailow, originating iii r:.•spxclable bqdy of men, the Clergy of our Church, children would attend the Established Church. That 1 and 'l4 hen I say , instead o , that , f taking an • ste ps to sees- Y the question which had been put was certainly a very : defiancenp longer suffer them to remain amongst us, in in the distresses which have for a coasidernble time r of Acts of Parliament, a mockery at once i been experienced by the operative weavers in th t. Rate the Dissenters, there is rather too much apathy fair-question, and deserved proper attenlion. about them, The Dissettters hare been infinitely The Dean of Listcorx thought they must wait the •of our laws and our boasted rights.—li was the ! cit ‘ p and neighbourhood. It is but justice to the. • I l' more active and industrious than the Members of resolutions adopted by the London Sotiety; w h o f duty of Parlipment to have restric lisw trd the Ser.? ! men to state, that the patience with which they . ! -/ •tr the Church of England, in their endeavours to edu- they adopted we shall follow. ' 1 vents of the Crown, It is no fr. 03 the duty of the :fang borne the severe pri • vattons and penury to t.dli 1 i t pate the poor. But, however inactive we may have The Rev. Mr. TURNER thought the question nu- : people to admonish Parliament to a faithful dis, : they have been reduced, has been highly exemplary, I . Levu in atintiding the means of knowledge to them, sweretl itself. If parents send their children, they charge of Its duty, and to exact obedience to the I and furnishes a striking proof of the benefits which a a plan is now, in some measure, advanced, that suits will of course expect they teill go to church. our and will answer our wisher. We will now AL .ON i t admonition. But this spirit in the country !teems community derives from-the proper education of the views, Mr. D r observed, leas not a Spartan : . a begin, and will follow it up in the way that best suitsto have disappeared with that integrity and lower orders. For about a year past, the wearrs , 1 seizure, that parents were at lib t•todo as the Or ) y 1 f 11 the views of the great body of the nation. pleased. • 1 public spirit which marked our Legislature in the Glasgow and neighbourhood have been without , u , t; The LORD Gratfram (NT here remarked, that this General PANE pointed out one of the printed re- days of Gm:mice I. rind IL . It must be re- employment ; and those who have been able to pro- fwas ;wr i the time to discuss th e comparat i ve mer it s o f so l ut i ons o f th e Society in London, which, he : called, of the country will be lost. There is also cure work, hove had their wages so much reduced, the.plans of Dr. Bell and Mr. Lancaster ; that they thought, set the question'at rest; and that the eta...! 1 , sweie assembled to determine whether the plan laid dren wisqld be certainly required to civil-! an other matter less serious add ' which that few of them have been able to earn more the" go to the an. r no I ; . , put in the resolutions met - with the approbation of .Established Church. It behoves Parliament tq investigate—the private seven ;killings per week, though manq of them hare . 1 . . 1 i the Gentlemen present. Mr. MAWER asked, but if they go to church der. Property of the Elsa is variously reported, but all large families. Alret ten days ago, delegates from Mr. LANG•roN observed, that Mr. Lancaster had , ing the regalar service time, will they have the liberty agree that It Is enormoes s and the oath of secrecy to these been ,cf4o of being !is) oppugner of the plinciples 9f doing to ohapel afterrads ? ._ , . • • meta. waited upon the Magistrates of Glasgow, . IN 1F1P9 10 414* three comppliasioaso who are to t o represent to them their di:frond state ) and to - • • • , , • . - . • / , . • . ~ i ;.. ,„ • • .... • . • I