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istesiete feeds- Girrere- the ■nd ad be -t the disown :hunch. functions , . - - - in the Hill. He expressed his surprise at r omission. He did not see any provisions regulation of monastic establirliments, which spring up to the displeasure of the Protestant abundance. They had promised them vast deal of satiefection from the Bill, but they were already undeceived. Looking at the nu tural course or tveist.,it was likely to be fruitful of &mewl feeling* iii soother part of the empire. He concluded by imploring the House not to remove lands - ' constitution, and by be read this Bill before the itiadtqoate to the -tranquillity seemed to tendency. The some papers, at an aggre : assure the itencled that and exemplary iimpracliabie ipructicable must 'ling., lie Wider- Galway, and there was no that the Bill as should be Catholic. He entertained by • considered it only religion in i. He cared might make, namely, the _ depend Jr great and re eaaily col these Catholic last fifteen them went Aid never stop betwe..ii the two c course, he did i of the Ca a great iii generally known •Ilit be easdy 1.0 were many the first best ell much them 4 it might motes of we of 1813.—[The is pamphlet a ;taut Church and loot all contains can be ilde to the ?ill remain, of all the fear, hear.)-- . ire the nature sentiment, and most Mann oingoole.—[The tett a general —There wais Amid trier, to would feel dis • was a letter him to post . . She gruitittl• on which he made this repurat was, that tile Bill might be so contrived as to become palatable --- all - -:--- This shrews the importance :ached to site eery point he (Sir rging. He had to entreat the e for Unfurling upon their time. bound in justice to himself to say .4 very charged Atastd pledire . to the . - House, to his Sovereign, and the country, that should the measure now before the House tinfor sueasely picas into a law, front the eery hour that it . did so, nothing in his power Afield be left *OW to promote its object.. The Ri g ht Hr o e. Barnet coucluded by seconding the Amendment. Mr. O'GRADY could not hear such a charge made on the county he had the honour to represent .enthout awning fortified to refute it. He could mews the House that the remissions to which the Right Honourable Baronet alluded were by no wrens the opinions of the gentry of Limerick. It was all the doings of • Mr. O'Connell.—(Cries of " Hoar, hear.")—The Catholic Gentlemen of the county of Limerick were not all present, and it was not uotil sifter they saw' the resolutions of this meting, printed. that they heard any thing shoat them-0/01r, hearl—or could even have ima gined that such a cheat would hoye been prect 6-d open them.—(Hear, hear.)—Flo had a letter in his band which stated that rAtere wit, scarcely a re grectable man at that meeting. Has. however, he &est beg leave to say, that the Chairman Of that meeting visa a aunt respectable. loyik„ and nourable man, and that he regretted climate', he should stiffer himself to be made the teol of a f.c tion. The Hi aaa ) urable Gentleman tliftt read some resolutions passed at u subsequent ueeting, due claiming altogether the violent resolutions passed at the previous meeting. These resolutions were sign ed by 39 of the most respectable men in the county, and not the less respectable for being sign ed by the only four Catholic Magistrates ui the county.—(Hear, hear.)—Thry expressed senti ments of the liveliest gratitude lor the exertions that had been made in their behalf. He could insure the House, with the meet perfect confidence, that these violent resolutious were imported into Lime rick, and were nut the natural growth of the coun ty.—(Load cheering.) Mr. FITZGIBBON supported the opinions and the statement* of his Hon. Colleague, and thought the Right Hon. Baronet (Sir G. Hill) would have formed a fairer estimate of the country, by not excluding from his euesitleration the resolutions. pawed st the lest meroirig, which WWI most nose..' rowdy and respectably attended. Mr. Rica said, he did not intend addressing the House on that occasion. bet he was dragged into it by the want cf candour on the part of the Right Hou. Baronet (Sir George Hill), in con cestiug from the House an account of the subse claret meeting that was held, disclaiming the vio lent resolutions passed at the former. That Right Hou. Gentlemen had relieved him from con 'Utterable esubarrainment ; fur the resolutions lie read had been put into his hands. and no mat ter how widely he might have differed from the eentienents they contained, be still shy mid have felt it his duty to lay them before the House. He could emote the !louse, that a coffin. derable portion of the Opposition given to the meat sure, arose front a blunder in the Bill, fur in the beginning, when the Bill eras fist printed, there was in the margin the punishment of transportation annexed to the refusal of complying with the pm visions of the Bill. It was nut then in he won- . dered at that objections should be made to it.— ( Hear, hear.)—He had received letters from some of these Gentlemen, who protested against the react 'miens alluded to by the Right Hine Gentleman (Sir G. ; but these he d:d not consider of as much importance on this question, as the opinion of a Gentleman who was a supporter of the violent resolutions. The Hoe. Gentleman then lead a passage from the letter alluded to. He said that he deemed it advisable to say, that many very conscientious Catholics differed from his opinion, and would feel very happy to receive emancipation un the terms Mr. Plunkett's Bill proposes.- -Meer, hear.)—lle would also read an extract front another letter to which he had alluded 011 a former occasiote—The peragrAph is this : " Should the Bill now before Parliament pass into a law, all these dissatisfied and tarbulaiit spiriss would soon 11•141 how eery low they are in the scale of national importance."— (Gad cheers.) He wished to set himself right with the House, for be feared he had been mistiederstood on a for mer occasion. He was terstood to say, that this was the unanimous opinion of all the Ca tholics ; but surely it could never be expected, that unanimity could prevail on a question of such magnitude and extent. It would he no thing short of a moral mid national miracle if the the great body of the Catholics. strongly excited as they are by the leirongues of interested agitators, could agree oat this question.—( Hear, hear.) — ('Limerick had beeii pointed out particularly by the Right Hon. Bargee, ; but if there were one part of the esnvite that felt their wrongs and dis abilities more strongly and poignaoily than so other, it was Limerick. Had the stipulation* there entered into not been most shamelessly violated, they should not now be demanding their rights, 110 f we at the trouble of iniseilig this Bill.— (Cheer s.) — He had to apologise to the House for trespassing on their time—(Hear, hear)—but he ass diagged into the discussion by the attack that woe made un Limerick. He knew that she labourer who esitered the vineyard at the eleventh hour had uo right to the tonne reward as he who InicrCiught gloriousty for the cause since the cum mencianesit. This much lie must say, that if every Catholic is Limerick had signed these resolution*, it would spot iu the least here in fluenced the vote lie should give. They sh Id go on b o ldly we t rap e their own conclusions; they were as.• wielded to legislate. to consolidate the stieogth of the eirtiOre.Ned not to enter into a negociution with the Cutholics.--Pieurq— At the tissue iime lie must courts% that he considered dirse securities wholly unnecessary, for the colicky' of the Catholic a had been any thing but such as should have demanded tt•ein ; however, there were prejudices to be satis fied which 0111,1 ultimately become extinct, end he hoped and 'mord the mea-tire„ if carried, would e% eta ually promote the peace sod happmess of both count ries.— f flew., hear.) The Hon. C. Hvrcui 'lsom said. lie was anxious to hear the opinions of the lion. Members for Limerick, after what had falleu from the Right Hon. Baronet opposite (Sir G. kill.) He perfectly eotteOreeld with his Hon. Friend near him (Mr. Rice), that it was their Winess to detehniese the vote they should give en a question of such vital portant., to the country, according to the best of their judgment, amidst such contending and con= dieting opinions. His Hon. Friend hid alluded to the labourer coming Into the vineyard at the . elevelth hour, but he thought that Ito matter at what hour the labourer entered the public service, he had an opportunity of conferring sdvairteges on his country; but amongst the many labourers who had toiled iu support of this great and righteous Cause, be stood there the unworthy representative of a family who had at all times 'tenthly supported the avowed printiple of unqualified emancipation. He hurl himself, as yet, and lie thought it strange, received Ito comninuication from the Catholics, and he could account for it in no other manner than this, that they are waiting to see whether it will psis that House before they make any coannuisics tion. He could not, however, suffer his Ho nourable Friend. or any one else, In dessignitte as riotous, disaffected, anti agitators, these who came heftily forward sod gave their °Oakum fairly at a public meeting, on a question of sock moment. He thought it was • most cruel arpersioes. Beelike, it was quite abuse! to .appose that ell could be agreed ois so great a euesticiii. He would be bound to say there Mom yet was • truism on which there have lint been differewt opinions- How then could it be ex pected that the millimm of Catholics should be all agreed on what be should ever consider yeast enactments ? Fur aught he knew, he might himself be considered sit agitator, fur de livering his coneeientious opinions. At the meeting of Limerick, where these violent resolutions, as they are called, were passed, There was a most respectable, intelligent, and isdepeadent man, Mr. Roche, ist the Chair, • gentlentau who wooed nut become the tool of any faction, and if they came to examine the cheracteis of the perauns that composed that meeting, they would Sod there most respectable. For aught he knew, there were at this moment meetings of the Catho lic clergy bolding all over Ireland. out, were conseientionsly opposed to the Bill, and were they to be confounded with the riotous and disaffected, and these restless spirit. who ea. deavoured to separate sod disunite the empire? Hie Ho nourable Friend had read a letter from some indi viduala, expressing themselves satisfied with the Bill, I. but he knew that of course there would be seine of that opi nion, that would gladly accept city thiug that might be of freed. to 1792, there were mime anxious merely for a re peal of some small part of the rued statuses, and preseuted a Petition to the Irish Parliament fur a limited franchise of twenty wood freeholds. Wby then before that Petition was three days before she House, a motion was made, dielariag that the preposterous demander the Catholics was a foul blot upon their Journals, and there were only 28 men thew in the Hauer, amongst whom were to be found his family name, who opprsae!d viii motion. The consequence was, the Petition was treated with great iadignity and actually kicked out of Meets. The Right Him. Baronet has stated that the Catholics are a most impracticable body, but he would refer him to the Re solutions of the Clergy at Dahlia, which were of • must tem perate mature, and clearly deatonstrated some slight alters. lions would satisfy them. They express the warmest grati tude to their (tirade in Parliament who supported their pale rest, and humbly suggest that some modifieatiuns should be made in these Bills so as to reader them aecepeable to every Ceitholic. This was au opinion iu which he fully con. curved. It was Not, however, his isteutiens to erosible the House with any mutiun on the subject. He thought if it Weft nut contrary to the order of the House. it would be most desirable the Bill should he recommitted. Par he was persuaded there were refuses elamies in tluit % Bill of an übjettlionable mainly, which might be wssieted wahine weak/yin the strength of the Bill is the slightest degree, sad would remove all the difficulties thatstood in Ora way of a conscieattens Catholic. He ter. vainly could be induced to oppose a Bill that has for its object to throw apes the doses of the Coustitmion to the Catholics, a subject that was always so neer his heart, yet soothing could make hint support the Bill as it now stands-- no not even if all the Catholics in both countries were is favour of it, he could be persuaded to give kis support to these yeisal enactments. He fell extreme reluctance in oe. copying the time of she houve.—(ltenr, hoar.)—But Gentle men must feel the exteeinely painful situation in which he towed himself, compelled to lake objections to a measure to which he had been warmly attached ever since he had been able t o take u part iii public affairs.—(f/oor, hear.) It might be considered presumption in lam to remark us what has fallen ma former occesious from the Right Hon. Gentleman opposite (Mr. Peel.) He *CelllCti to cosaaidirr this me satire es dangerous to the Church EstublishmenL He (Air. ) could never I , eiek so. We are embarked is the emu blest adventure which men ever yet uns!ereosik ; we hes about to lame fresh blood and vigour into the Cgs ties: ; and instead of being dangerous if carried into egret, must eunswliditte and strengthen the force of the empire (Hear, hsnr.)—We are assembled to form a social hood of happissess and ofmoscurd, which will keit together the hearts of every subject iu the realm, and we should be extremely cautious not to introduce any thing slush eau fetid. to create new dissentious. That Right Hon. Gentleman has also said, that the period selected for Mitering feel-ward this mea. cute area rather unfortunate. But he should hare said, if there were one period more auspicious o r fortu n at e than an other, that period is the psesrut.—For he hoped we were ouw living in tinws when, no matter what • man may say in public, there is no man retired to his closet free Corn the conflicting interests of political disetissitm, can deny at least the justice of graveling these concessiou s . lie really felt haek ful to the Iti.Huie Gent. for the manner in which lie met this question. There was a certain temperance and wisdom cha racterised his whole conduct, highly creditable to him. He was mot sufficiently acquainted with that Right Honoura ble Gentleman to know his npiuioss on this subject, hut he did think that he sew some change in them. He felt the utmost satisfaction to see prejudices removed—(Hatr, hoar.) A consider sacrifice of Protestant prejudice has been made, best certainly mulling more • all that this Bill will effect, admitting that it is carrie d, will be to give the Catholic eligibility to crash. utfices, that is, to give effien the power Mk sleeting him lf they think proper. With respect to the second oath, he begged the Honer to consider in what situuti they would be placed, if the whole of the Catholic Clergy, actuated by conscientious scruples, should refine to take it, which might well be imagined, as they would be applying to the Catholic Clergyman a system of rigour which was not applied to ally other subject. 11 they refused to take the oath what ootrld be the consequerice ? The act declared him guilty of a misderneaion, sod they might be proceeded ugainst bs tine and inipeisoilment. It was not thought sufficient to leave the Catholic Clergysniti exposed to toe disabilities to alitch he subjected 1 If by steel gt • take the oath ;so though lie might have been conscientiously performing the dunes of less sacred function for 30 or 40 Yeats, if he refuse, the neighbouring magistiate might r con ' mit lion so gaud. To pot die ease as strong as lie could, lie would emptier that the whole of the Ca ' 'ludic Clergy, to the • aaaaa not or two or three tilnit- Sand no 'lumber, were to refuse to take the oath, would the. Noble Lord advise that the whole of the Catholic Clergy, with the Bishops at their head, should fill the prisons lit' !rebind. II; in addition to the 40,000 men already there. the volunteers soil yeomanry of Rowland and Scotland could also be sea, sea), the entire force of the empire. it would be insufficient 111 keep the rummy quiet. The Right Hon. Member for Liverpool declared that he was s,tisfiell with the declarations of Certain persons whose names cuuld not be meutioued with too high -_ \ . tegpeet but the cue of those %dile . 1 1 iltgin take the oath foal 'Mescals in the Rattle of Patrons entirely disitiatilar to the case of the Ca thittelatugy, and Amish the oath -might net in illhateat any thing objectionable, yet the cumpoloory maitre of it wise sit insuperable ob jectiou in his mind. and he begged the House to consider bef ore th e y proceeded upon a prin ciple of legislation so entirely new, its compel. lug a man to take an oath when be cause to ask for no bitielit. Supposing for a moment, by an uorletatittitling With the Catholic Prelacy of Ireland, the appeObatioh of the Catholic Clergy to the second oath might be obtained : if you be lieved him, why that absurd machinery of a Pro trountßoard ? If the C a th o li c was b e li eve d , t h e whole of it was unnecessary. Bat what was to be the power of that Protestant Board ? Why, to give a most totiquslitied Veto. He considered it itupossiltle for a Catholic candidate for the prelacy to give his consent to the machinery of thin Board. For reasons which he would not now enter into, lee thought that such a Board ought not to exist in Ireland, and it would be a great improvement in the Bill were the Botard in this country, and in this country only. The Bill viewed with curb jealousy the iuterferrtece of the Catholic in any thing which reduced to the Protestant religioo, that the Calbohe was pers. hibited front adviiime the Crowo is any ecclesiastical mat te; and though such was our jealousy of the Cathdlie terfering with our religion . , we yet make an enactment ap pointing a Protestant Board of Control over his faith lie was happy to have learnt, vine" he had entered the House, that the Lord Primate was in favour of the admission of the Calholiee; and though he confessed the hardship of mime of the clanses nn the Catholic clergy, yet he trusted in the wisdom and moderns hoi of the F-Neetttive for a mild and ge arrows novo( these clauses. But he (Mr. Hutchinson) wax not willing to give such a discretion to any Executive. If it were meant that the Magistratei should not execute the law, he would ark, why then enact it ? He thought if the Honor gave inch a power ill the Magistracy against the Prelacy and Clergy, they would anon hare the coulter, in open rebellion. He thanked the House for the patience with which they hail aiwatied to him, and declared that no wan in the House or in the moistly could feel more pain than lie did at the opposition which he foetid hinistlf uhliged to make to the measure. Mr. STEWART rose, Lad, as well as we could collect from the low tone in which he spoke sad the noise in the gsllory, denied that the Lord Primate approved the . Mr. C. H. HUTCHINSON explained.. Mr. ELLIS expressed his anxiety to deliver his mod. meet. on a Bull, She latter part of which, by a curious infeli city it. legislatios, went to deprive the gleesome of all the ad vantages promised in the first part. He apologised to the Howse fur guiteg over again a track which bad al ready bee. en beaten ; to hint it was •a unpleasant task, and nothing but his veuerattou fur the Protestant Eitablishiseni, and his anxiety for the connexion of Ire lend wish this country, mil , ' fume hint to trerpass un the enmities of the House. He profeseed that its ardent wishes for the welfare of every class of his fellwor-entintryinen, be was sot inferior to the Right lion. Geuttentais wh.) brought the measure before them; sod he would farther say, that he brought • degree of experience of the wishes sad feebler of the Protesting, of !relined, which the retired habits, or the fistidimes lame of that Right Hors. Gestleseas prevented his acquiring. 111 she IMAM of that proleseisie to whit* they both belosiell, and whose sentiments the Right Hen. Gem. Heiman bed mierepreseeled, he disclaimed his ussullturiscd advocacy. That this wee not mere assertion would las ass. by a refereuee to the Petitions on their table, by the Protege tart Petilies from the second city of the empire, w • had She biewour lo represent. If these papers-were into, the Nome 'G&W see wet uuly mulattoes atid.geol of the higher t respectability, but ',vend eisensbee r of the kw, Espial in relents aal repelatioe Ist . tee. Gelatine"' himself, mad in their Nantes he paa. traced splase deelounalleee cootrary to their sestireeets. The flieermoalidelkteiller then proceeded so argue amiss* the Bill se the grounds of espe.liency, as the abstract right had been already abandoned by its proposer, and ciostesided that moue of the dangers apprehended were needed by a Bill which had already been rejected by the Catholics them. selves—(flier, hoer, hear)—a Rill which, at the are lbw that it gave power, withheld confidence, and plated setised In the heads of those whom it irritated to use it. That the Catholics were really hostile so the Rill, was, he conceived, clear from the opposition which it had met with from ewe wh o was always c on sidered as speaking their sentiesselle 1 be would not mention his natter, although it had been ales. Moment in that House. Why was that gentleman the ackitow. 'edged urges of the Catholic hotly ? It could not he on account of his family, which, though rear etable, - was of yesterday compered with some of the Aristo cracy of Ireland. Neither was it for his talente--his eloquence was bet of mushroom celebrity, and was far oubbene by the talents opposed to hiss. What then was it that gave him the confidence of the Catholic Rudy? It was that be really and truly expressed their feelings and midi meats. He objected to the Uill, not only on account of tie steurities, but to its principle; be objected to it as amairseing to the Priesthood that power which they bad always enjoyed, end which lie must 'lntik they had always abused. The Honourable Member fee proof of This referred to the History of Ireland for the last thirty years and thought it impossible to Arley that the disturbance of 1798 was a real Popish compirary, He thought it ludicrous to give a mats the power to vote for a Mt:other of Pat lismew, and deity him a voice in the eke ti e° of a churchwerden.—(llenr, hear.) —Going a little fur ther they would see the solemn batnbeg still carried on is the exceptions to the exercise of she judicial functions in ecclesiastical affairs—to a Catholic Chancellor or Lord Lieutenant of Ireland, while at the same time it permitted a Catholic to be Governor of a distant colony. He was aware that be might be accused of prejudice; but it 'Weld be remembered that he was brought up in the midst of Catho lics, acid bad once all the enthusiastic desire to give liberty to retry one, without regard to consequence--and it was wily from observation of the evils which arose from such condoms that he bad been induced to dotage his opinion. Mr. F. Rontesow said, he had •o intelitinii of Medica ting the Right Hon. Gentlemen who introduced this mea sure, tont what lie conceived a must unreasonable attack by the Hon. Gentleman who had jest sat down. He did sot deny that there might be, as the lion. Member said, many Lawyers in Ireland who could compete with the Right Hun. Gentleman (Mr. Plunkett), but if the Hon. Member were entitlid to charge the Right Hon. Geittleinan as unfit from his habits or from his &stole ~,, mess, of truly ilesci ibiog the Protestant opinion of Ireland, *either was lie disposed to take the topiniou of the Hon. Member's nameless authority, OS 11 presesstrug the sentiment of the true and hottest Catholic in the ravings of his eloptesce. He did not know ought of Mr. Conon-11, but that he bad hero dissatisfied, was et present dissatisfied, and would always he dissatisfiid.— Yid lie (Mr. Rubiesue) was persuaded the measure would prove generally satisfactory. He confessed that be had heard with regret much that had fallen from the Hon. and Learned Gentleman. He hid departed frum that example of dignified moderation which had beers set bins by the Right Hun. Geoth °tau who introolaced the meseure. He thought it one of the misfortunes attending the present discussiun, that the Hon. sod Learned Gentlemen had rooked up that •'seiust extinguished fire whit h **happily raged so fii. 'loud, at the period to which he bad rcierrell The Hon. Gentleman *seemed to have taken up the subject with all the zeal of a convert; he (Mr. K.) aka unsold enter upon it, if with lest ardour, yet with all the sincerity of oureviction, fur he hail bees couverted from the opinions which he formerly entertained ow Ibis subject. It wee ius possible, in considering this vagetivis, nut iiii refer iu the tunes which gave bath to Cleo dliellollieles whir h it was the object of Ibis Bill is meimetn : sed to the origin of time fear, and jealousies from Aidt they sprigy. If They re ferred to the wage settidt deal liter carried on formerly Iwo esoteric. peseidistetleillissolotioo, they amid cut bat see that they maim wasobeiwees Otlbellelty awl Protestantism; bet anon Ilea rebel ale ears in Europe bad assumes,' a 1 . - .... ^.... wholly degree's' character. The wars of William sad Mary were not wars of Catholic spinet Protestant Powers ; the ally of this country was thee the Catholic Emperor of Get !nary, and the object of the contest was to keep ;lowa the ant. Wien sod power of Prance. If they looked to the successive wars which bad Asa occurred, it would appear manifest that the calves Which bad produced the wars, both foreign and intestiue, fur the two centuries preceiliug the Rest/tidies, had long sleet maned in operate. What share bad this so much-dreaded influence or the Pope in predating the late wars ? Where was then the thunder of the Vatican ? It might. perissm, hove bora beard at times ; bat it was like the mimic thimble of the chariot of Saltnoneus, and not the true !boulder of the power that shook the world. The Right Mommeable Goneleilian then proceeded to combat the argument !eroded open the difficulty thrown in the way of the conscieldiotts Protestant who might be Ismer. ter called upon to take the oath, from the admission la the present Rill of aspirin's! jurisdiction of the Pope over Ca tholics in this country, and that which was (crowded on the turbulence and seditious apt it of individeals of the Catholic persuaaioo. With respect to the speech which bad hero quoted of De. Droatgoale, a doctor without • degree, and with no patient bed his country—(Mack Loitoleer)••:' be believed it to be as seditious a speech as could well he spoken;, but to cite it as a proof of the seditious principled of the Catholics, was as absurd as to quote the notecase of • Mr. Runt is eitempliiestion of the opinions of the people of Englood. Tie Right Hon. Member fur Londonderry hail pledged himself to use his endeavors's to ricoacile the minds of the Protestants of Ireland to this measure if it shoold paw. He gave full credit to the Right Hon. Member fur his sincerity, and he honoured his mutivess but he believed the Protestant Nubility u.J Gentry of logos/ were too fend ed . their °Armory, too generous, tori manly , mid Me liberal to feel any of that spirit of jealousy which had bee* as. eribed to them iu cogisemictice of the passing of the Bill. On the contrary, he omicipated, that they would be found uniting with the CA040111.6 ill the anxious endeavour to promote the prosperity of their common country. Mr. Gout.rtußN opposed the admission of the Catho lics to political power, em the SAM- principles which had led him fur the first fourteen years to resist their claims to the utmost of his power To chew the danger which might slim to the Protestant Establishment from the concession of these claims, he referred to the mode iu which they bad heel. pursued. Trusting to the march of time for producing occasions favourable to their views, and availing them selves of the upportimites which arose in the course of the discussion of the subject, from time to time in Parlia ment, they advanced step by step towards the attain ' meats of a full share in the richt, and privileges of the Constitution. RI pursuing a similar course of conduct, a time might hereafter arrive when they would he enabled to effect any object which they might eutertaio hostile to the Protestant establish/neat. Slurpse it should again occur, es had heretofore been the case, that we should have a King who, though professedly a rotoitant, secretly favonied the views of the Catholics—he might select a Catholic IMinistry, who would naturally seek lei strengthea the party on which they could most ri ly, mud contemplating their wealth, their rank, their illustrious descent, sod the lesigth of time during which they hail rensaioed excluded from all share in the honours and privileges of the Stale it I could be considered but fair that some of the Cat holic gentry should he raised to the Peerage. By these and otter correpinding inessu , es, he argued that in course of true .it would be perfectly feasible for them to effect the over. throw of the Protestant estakilivhment. They bad been told that this measure was to be one of concilialiou, that it wan to knit together in a Impel of utsion the hearts of both ! Proteetauts and Catholics; bet he should like to Isom whether the conseirences which had been pithiest Out by the Honourable Member for Cork, who, be it rearm ? bend, use en advoeate for the concessioa of the claims, as likely to result from Brie measure, were eskielated to I -effect conciliation. He appealed to all who had heard that Hun. Member, and who knew his intimate acquaint -emu with the etatoof opinion is lettered, and with Nse ern . dimmees erase Chighollee, both laity and Clergy, whether as all re K cewlelffintion Ilse Bin before the Hasse was out He called upon tly House so bestow dirmait apes the importance of this and a we" Sod to In pats* It, they were about to takers step w paarr be recalled. The wimp of ds !" which had Wes 11111.1 and fre quent Charism tbe maw of the Hun. Geotkmaa's speed', became doubly loud and vehement as it drew to • clear. Lord BINNING began by declaring that be rose to offer his sentiments on this "miles, which had been SO often discus sed, with a reluctance orkiele.oothing but an anxiety to ex press his *miens before the measure should have passed foe I ever, could have overcomie.—(Lowd and emiliasal crier ey "Quaggas! question!")—He did sot wish to furee him self upon an unwilling audience, and if the House was so wearied with the keetbesied dimwits's which the question had undergoes?, that it could out afford a patient hearing to those who bed nut yet delivered their sentiments, be would sit down at once without the smallest feeling of ill-will towards any one---(Lowet cheering)—but if they were disposed to yield hire • few monieuts alteution, he would endeavour to avoid any abuse of their indulgence. The Noble Lord thee proceeded to combat the arguments of the last speaker, epos the Isi po thesis of a future Klieg inclined to subvert the Proleslent establishment in favour of the Catholic religion, which be contended world be impossible, so long as the Parliament retained its attachment to the Protestant religion, and the people of this country should be a Protestant peopiee— With respect to the professed infallibility and immutabi lity of the Catholic church, be said the mere statement of the aswertioa was sufficient to sheur its absurdly, and lie ridiculed the idea of soy danger apprehended from the opinion of the Catholics retaining those excluMie and intolerant principles by which they were forme, ly characterised. He raw nothiag in the religion of the Catholics which rendered them unit for the possession of political power. The Noble Lord then pro ceeded to remark upon the opposition made by the Member for Cork, to the oath proposed to be exacted of the clergy. which be contended was wholly free from any insinuation or imputation, such as had been attributed to it. le his opinion those very pennon who now so much objected to taking this oath, had already taken others ten limes stronger. As an individual, he fully concurred io the opinion which bed been expressed on a former eight by the Noble Secretary of State for the Foreign Department, and should have beim, like him, perfectly ready to agree to the Bill without any se curities. But, as they had been deemed necessary to quiet the •pprebensions of more timid mind., he trew not how any more moderate than this Bill contained could have bees devised. He thought it was not to he tolerated that say is dividuals should take upon themselves to say that they would refuse to give the Kisg those securities to which the Pope had given his assent, which every Catholic Government ex acted hum its subjects, which was refused to no other Pro testant Government is Europe, and he which the majority of the Vicars Apostolic, and the greater part of the Catholic laity in this country had readily agitated. [The cries of " Question !" now became exceedingly loud and Imisultuuse and costumed to the conclusion of the Noble Lord's sp eech.] Mr. C. H. HUTCHINSON rose to explain. He had not stated that he had any communication from the Catholoa of any ohjectioo w their part to theoath ; he had elated that he did nut conceive that any loyal Catholic would object to the oath on account of its coateats; hat that he himself ob jected to it ou account of the insinestioa it conveyed. If they disbelieved the sincerity of a Catholic who look the first oath prescribed by the Bill, they could sot believe hint auy more for his taking the latter oath; sad if they Jul attach any credit le his dechiration upon the former oath, then the other was wholly y —(Himerr, hear ) Mr. PEEL, referring to the appeal made to the House for the folllhneut of the tame of the Capitulation of Limerick. said, that there was nu spiestiou of good faith involved In the discussion, our was the House bound by say other than motives of discretion in determisiog the foto of the present Bill. He insisted on it that the terms of that Capitulation want so further than to serene the Catholics the privilege exercising their religion with No other limitations thso existed in the times of Charles 11. This by nu memo. instilled the promise of those political privileges now claimed by the Catholics. He stated the tenor of the opi nions which ha had always held upon the subject of the Cs tholie Claims. His chief ohjectioa lay in this : that the grant ing of those Claims would wake a material chant is the * I _ • • t • ' I formation which were again eaforeea at titer Ravi". Isaias, and which appeared to him to be the foods- . 'wand peiociples of the British Protestant Govern- ; nsegt. He wished to intrude a little more upon the attention of the House, while he shewed, by the (milieus of the ablest and wisest men of this coca- try that the costa he had formed of the prin. • 4 4 104 tits - r.eonfietentet by the Revise „ _ Talif fk • kinoted passages from the • W Milan% Loa* Lord Clarendon, and • _ . landimi-fit' :, lllhow 'the iisesesity for ex- .A1k4612 Catholics Imm the State so long as rid Opel claim of allegiance or duty in soy way in .a foreign autNenty. By sanc- • tirtaing the present Bill, ,they would remove The • pmitiples on sshichs the Constitution had %toed fiordthe Reformation down to the pre- sent day. Muth servideration bad been given to the Bill, and wear prospect of public ad- vsistage held out from it, all of which would be defeated. He came nest to a pisswe in the Bill, in which he perceived a great departure from the principle of full and nochliided allegiance regilired by the Constitution. He read the terms 'of the proposed oath, whereby She Catholic is to disown all - obedience to any foreign Prince, Prelate, State, or Potentate, which may coullict or interfere with the full and undivided allegieuee due to Vie Sovereign ty of the country, is by law established. It was quite impossible that • conseietitious Catholic would take this oath, end he could not help joiuipg Dr. Milner and the Clergy of Ireland, that it was quite impossible to yield the King full and undivided allegiance KS by law established.— For the law established allegiance to the King in spiritual as well as in temporal tuattere. There could be 110 question as to the right of the Legisla- ture to forbid intercourse with foreign Powers. Such intercourse might be noxious to the State; it had been considered so with respect to the Pope, and prohibited. If this were not so, why was not there slot some reserve mode as to the fealty of Ca- tholics by the oath of supremacy, the terms of which were as sweeping us they could he, actually prohibiting all duty or obedience to any foreign Prince, Prelate, State, or Potentate ? There was no distinction retained between civil sod spiritual allegiance. Had it been the intention of the Legislature to reserve in any case the right o( obedience to the spiritual authority of the Pope, it would have been specifically and nominally re- served ; but to see in what estimation the claim of SiOritual auti 'ty on behalf of the Pope was held, lie referred them to the terms in which his Holiness was tuentioued, even in the solemn service of the Protestant Church. lie wished for some explana- lion's, to the functions of a_Cathulic Dean, men- tioned in the Hill. He expressed his surprise at w @nether omissioit. He did not see any provisions for the regulation of monastic establishments, which would spring up to the displeasure of the Protestant eye in abundance. They had promised them- selves a vast deal of satisfaction from the Bill, but they were already undeceived. Looking at the nu- . __ , •, concluded by imploring the House not to the ancient landmarks of the constitution, musing in amendment, that the Bill be re r day six months. • Sir Gummi:HlLL objected to the Bill be Ilonse; he couceived it was quite inadtqiist 1 objects proposed, mud so far from givingtrati we promoting conciliation in Ireland, it sees i him to have a must revolutionery tendency 1 • Right Hon. Baronet then produced some N . from which he read resolution+ passed at ar - Rite meeting in Limerick. He could an . llouse that the Gentlemen who intro& i .. meeting and n roost excell•iii. loyal, and exe t'- / Jere,. and theism, excellent and minim" tyre thief chnrochrres tile „ . .4 . ~ this measure appear. Similar meetings, he t staid, were called in Cork, Kerry, Gala -..., Team. Dr. Coppinger, than whom there • man respectable iron, has declared, that i ' proposed by alr. Henkel was such as oh ) • i • indigos • fly rejected by every sincere Cathol . •-• 1- - . .. w the *plums that were eistertai • r lies about their religion : they conan 1 ' .' s; • - A A': utable sold jufallible, and the only ref 1f • .;:. .!''''''icli there .14 be of salvation. I-i _ i- , , 4 . 45 t wl • sinew wfliberality they (nigh , . r tear t alloy as the seine, name ..ententlf r own church—and ~ . _. si ‘•- ' u t it, the c e ltgoli of Ireland is their gr • : ' .-_,ljr.. 1 -16 . • .+ - .., __.....- ...n.nits m a y h e esa las ' Tliera oai • V • '4 • 1 .., • • speeches of some of these 1 '' Catholic meetings for the hist #_, s well knew that many of the ' • r., and thought they should net • egoted II Separation betwe:2ti i , • Weer, 4twerj—'Phis, of course, Isi ' te r siye as the general opinion of I .. ' . • '-'l' that it was the opinion of a g ' $ f .--. • ~,t s , .., . • • yof those who were generally ... t• . • i .. .i._=.. , '...,. .. ...,asylis t' ems of the Catholics, ;night bl . ' ,s' ......atte, .4,Kor -` •in their speeches. There wee 4' • t' , .‘'-', Gentle. ho then sat in that House I aßik. 6s. nine. a t o probably never had beet e .1..• • • • - • • at.stihko .:. *object, arilfur them it 1 111 "rosw . s leet bii gig - as to state the opinions o their attpt 'wished orators in 1813. 1 • * IL 4. 4••• , night Mil, et then read from ii part 1 s f .: t•ie, . ~_ ~ `• l‘ . init r . ' lesupon the rand, and die strength of, ".•, statesmen it contains hli'e to support,'l• •I sift 3et tin:nide WIII)11 , 1, and nor • endow o f it w ill ~,,... , rgtept the roetaniall ~,'•. recollection of st i:i mischief it has credit . Meat, hear, A -I kr. Now from this Gentle ' i may perceive tin Of their opinions, and 11• is the leonine this was she sii iiiii on of Wil of their most guished leaders, lie ineint k . Dioingoule. mention of the Doctor'. 111611/ . created a I nigh from all paean of the House].—Thi I ' smother document to which l ie s h ou ld t y .: winch he hail no doubt the House would I posed to posy the greatest attention, iswas • from Mr. Fox to Mr. Ryan. advisiug hias I li poor the Bill for some future tune, and the on which he made this request was. that t to all proles. 1 twit great mini attacl George Hill) was aril pardon of the Haase Ile felt himself bow so much, for a fortnight iittee he declared it was not eisopelent to the object it prepaid, and every thing that has since omitted 'has only corroborated that °vision. His oppaidon arose from an eager Agile to 'rapport the amstitotbia and the Proms. tatit religion. which waits very ewieuce. He hoped the. be should not be charged with the appellation of a bigot, aid he iliostid pledge billiWf to the