The Statesman. — London, England, 1812-06-12 00:00:00

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Mils were an inexplicable something about the pa s t w hi c h ca ll. , e ow „, t ite ati tAßD CHANCF.LLOR them Oa cateetieence,as e d for elucidation . - There were two or th ree circuits. w onders of some argent political avocation ) moved as kijormsvelle i s te-menen, lad their Lordships adjourned it. stances, however, of which he wished to take some renhaeli. .. .. notice. In the first place it was well known that I nothing aai &no for several days after the receipt HOUSE OF COMMONS. . I of the Regent's inswer by that House towards the. Mr. ROSE moved, that tomiorrow a Committee be &Pea- : formation of a stronger Government. At hat some. ed, to cashier of the pro net of penatui o nf n ljati ii trino Oar, . ace k, th e , thing was done, bat the exertions that were maile r he. imported late Wait ' a, to be ex $ United Statrii.—Agrtee t ware.merely for the purpose df obtaining certain es- A Bill for reigulatiegt‘ c tipta of Knights for Shim was pitnititins. Bat still nothing was done to forward b ree ot in, mid alai dad Ordereti a l i s ib e printed. , _,..„ The Marquis of ?ATI. B. Wl* tin the above um progress of the formation of a strong Adminis- Bin, stated, that he only will" it la be priallal now, as be treat's). He had teregret mast deeply that any such Mould theo suffer it to lie over tin the next Sessiell, del too k place, and to that delay be could net but S T TURTON red,' that th e Home resolve itself into a % c.:mitts* th e Bill fee rerlatiai theme of Pewter Pots by attri ate the present aspect of As or Government, tonatteses. i if e leati ,beer!] Us delay was p i t an end tO O % , , Mr. GIDDY aria opoomea the NW/ bat he wished eat the amenissiou which had *ear' plieed in the ha Motion shoat he peetpeoed to anodsee day, ire eouluquence of 1 the more hapethmt badness about to be brought tonna. I. of the Maressis Wellesley, who in consequence ape Sir T. TURTON ackuleseed ; but expressed Isis hope that the , plied to Lords Grey and Grenville. The result of H i m. Gentleman would be geod enough to collect all his strimith that application was knoem—the, negocimions aims and all his aframats by Wednesday next, to which day the Notion was me off. I to nothing, indeed it could not but c o me to n o thing. On the Motion that the Manure Carriake Bill go into a Cm ' ' [Hear hear. hear !] . Had the result been different, slitter of the whole House, some observations were made against $ , the principle of the Bill by Mr. KENRICK and Mr. HOME, i iu a Cabinet so formed as was proposed there could SUMNE,R Ibe nothing hot disunion ! [Continued cheers of Sir T. TURTON defended the measure, and pressed the Mo- I Hear, hear, wear!] He should never wish to lion before the House. Admiral HARVEY mad Mr. PETER MOORE made setae see such a Cabinet as there would have been had remarks. after s.hich the Motion was carried. The Bill Meet ! the propositions been - acceded to.—After the through a Committee, and the Report was received, read and agreed to, and was ordered to be piloted. failure of the Noble Marquis followed the over- ORDERS IN COUNCIL. tares made - by Earl Moira, who immediate.. Mr. ROSE gave notice, that he should move go-morrow, that the Evidence taken in the Committee on the Orders in Conceit, be taken into consideration ea Mooday sermight. Mr. BROUGHAM obberved, that be bad given a similar *s lice for Tuesday seinnight. Mr. ROSE was aware of that fact, hut he intended to take the sense of the House on the question to-raerrow.-4 User I and Welter. An Address was ordered to be presented to the Prince Regent, requesting some particulars respecting the Appropriation of the Money moody granted by Parliament, in aid of Queeo Awes Benelyto the Cl orgy. Mr. TIGHE genre notice, that be should, to-morrow, move far a Copy of the Pardon of the Lord Liettemsaat of Ireland, to some Man who had ham condemned to die. The Southern Whale Fishery, Vie Local Take" the Scotch Taxes, the R lots, the Unlawful Oaths, and other Bills, were postponed to future days, • THE ADMINISTRATION. ly proceeded to consult the same Noble Lords (Grey and Grenville) on the formation of a Government. Earl Moira stated that they were to have the full and certain confidence of the Prince Re gent, and the uncontrouled•management of all the measures which they might consider and had deemed necessary. But in the progress of this negociation, a difference arose; for Earl Moira would not con. sent without the arrangement of the Household should be a preliminary condition. The Noble Lords contended for the point, and as it was not conceded to them !w Earl Moira, the negociation failed. Thus, because this point was not conceded to the Noble Lords (Grey and Grenville) as a preliminary condi- General GASCOIGNE, observing a Noble Lord tion, they had abandoned the opportunity of carry. (Castlereagh) in his place, was anxious to know, if ing into effect all those great measures and that line possible, in what state of forwardness his Royal of policy which they contended were necessary for Highness's Government was at the present moment. the safety and prosperity of the country.--[Hear!] The answer would determine him in the course he' He could not but think that such conduct was unjus. should pursue, respocting his Motion for an Address tifiable.—[lear, hear !] —For such conduct their to the Prince Repot, relative to a strong Govern- excuse was, that without the uncontrossled arrange ment. meta of the Household, they should be subjected to Lead CASTLERKAGII replied, that souse of the exercise of en influsweeshirA es eedie peeewdetd.. the Offices of the Administration were not yet filled. mental to all their plans and hest efforts. Thus their Secretaries for the War Department and Home De- a conduct went to confirm those injurious rumours partmeut, however, had been nominated ; the No- which had gone abroad about " a ruinous secret in ble Lords Bathurst and Sidmouth, had been ap- fluence"—a line of conduct which could not bat tend pointed to those Offices.—[Somecriesof ilear,hearl to give it strength and root instead of checking its General GASCOIGN E.—" Then I withdraw my progress, if there were any justfouudation for the fur- Notice." mise. But they contended, that, had they such un- Sir F. BURDETT presented a Petition from Si. controuled power, they could remove that influence, muel Cairn, a debtor confined iu Lancaster Gaol, I and not otherwise ; forgetting, it should seem, that if complaining of severe usage from the gaoler, and I there really were in existence such " influence," praying redress. 1 that it could be exerted with equal effect, whether Mr. W. BOOTLE felt bound, on the part of the the individuals were of the Household or not. In- Magistracy, to express his conviction, that the coin- I deed, to remove any individuals that might be con plaints described in the Petition were without fouls- ceived to exercise an influence in such a way, would dation. The gaoler was a most excellent character, , only be to give them greater cause, without removing and there was more humanity in his disposition than the opportunity of exercising what was deemed so be had ever observed, or heard of, in persons simi- obnoxious and ruinous a power. He could not but larly situated. Those who knew him, knew that think, considering the quarter on which such point fact.—uhar ! ]— Many persons had made complaints pressed, that it was extremely injudicious conduct to the lion. Bart. who had recently received many that had been adopted by the Noble Lords. Rut let letters from persons confined in that prison, and in o them look at the effect of such a proceeding. Let the particular from a . confined debtor of the name of ; House remember what sort of impression it tended to Wardle.—[Laughter.]—But so convinced were al- make on the public mind ; for it tended to stamp most all the parsons confined in that pr:son, that ;.with authority all those reports that were in circula. such conduct was highly unjust towards the gaoler, tion about ift,fluence somewhere!—[Hear, hear!] — that 117 of them had signed a protest in his favour, Aud could any considerate man desire any such ef and desiring at the - same time, that all complaints feet ? But how stood the Public ? A stamp of an. might be referred,; at they ought to be, to the Grand thority had thus been given to a highly injurious ru- Jury, or to the Maglstrates.—Eifear, hear !]--He !now ; and, after all, what proof had they, or any hoped the Petition would soon be enquired into, that j one else, of its existence ? Therefore, some injury this " authorised way of libelling exemplary indiii- I had been done, and the Noble Lords had thrown ob duals" might be kropeily etposed. • stacles in the way of future arrangements. He meant Sir F. BURDETT tlise:u. observed, that ke knew to say nothing personally disrespectful. With Earl aothiug of the corrections of • the facts alluded to in Grey he was particularly acquainted in the circles of the Petition ; but he should seise an early opportu. ' private life, and no one could admire more than he aity of calling the attention of the House to its did the transcendent abilities of that Nobleman. But prayer._ as to the question immediately before the lions°, he The Petition was ordered to lie on.the table. TRY. ADMINISTRATION. Mr. S.'WORTLEY then rose, for the purpose of staking his promised Motion respecting the Govern /sent. But a short time had elepsed s be observed, cue he made his former Motion, which bad met nith the approbation of a majority of that House.— The proceedings, the painful proceedings of the last three weeks, had been the result of that motion. In making that motion, he bad been actuated alone by public duty. fa the discharge of his duty, he had thought he should but set fairly by the country, in proposing that the House of Commons should lay at the feet of his Royal Highness the ackuow•ler!ged ge neral sentiment of the nation, as well as big own opinion, that the Government which his Royal Highness was about to form, subsequent to the death of Mr. Percent, was not such a one as was desir ed. The House had approved his motion—they had recognized such sentiment as their own. To their Address the Prince Itegent , had returned a most gra cious answer—but three weeks had passed away and they had reverted tothe same point. [Hear, hear!] The►• still beheld the same Government—the same men were still in , office. [Hear, hear!] Such be ing the fact, after` what that House had d•ae, and after such a lapse of time had taken place, he thought some explanation of what had passed was due to the coilutry as well as to that House; and with a view could not bet think that something more might be done. He still thought it possible to form a much stronger Administration than they at present had the • prospect of shortly beholding. A Government ought to have the confident* and respect of the country, and they could only be obtained by its being distin guished for character, talent, and energy. If he bad seen a fair prospect of the nation shortly having such an Administration as he thought it ought to have, be would not have brought forward the present Motion. With the view of inducing his Royal Highness not to abate his exertions to form a strong Administration, and also for the purpose of giving an opportunity for some explanation illustrative of the past, he had da termined on the present proceeding. Should ft* 1 House think with him, and approve his Motion, in his estimation their former proceeding would be pro perly followed up; and in the event of its being rejected, he should still have the satisfaction of re flecting, that he bad exerted himself to the utmost to get for the country the best possible Government. — [Hear, hear !)—The !immovable Gentleman thee r moved— • 6. That an humble Mires be pulsated to his Royal High see the Prince Regent, &asking hit Leh highest, for bit Hgmelippe answer to their meat Mite" ismentleg. at the we Met bi, seitayseg, le eemiali midi heir regent isti e ft wet %Olio ased imppipfin i g li; landit tops or the home *woo Moos eau ••Y aPPoitillit, t. •e - II hit ' alighamfailevernmeet." • - ~;- ti .~' Tht Motion hating been seconded, Mr. CARTWRIGHT rose. He could not ap prove the motion, because it went to cast an indirect censure on the Government ; and under such cir cumstances be should meet it with a decided nega tive. Is taking a review of the circumstances at tendant upon the recent offers made by the Marquis Welle ley and the Earl Moira, the Hon. Member could not but express his opinion that the offers had been rejected by the two Noble Lords (Grey and Grenville) because in their estimation they would i not Rate a sufficient preponderance to carry any; measure which they might determine. lie could not but Mak their conduct wrong for rejecting the of- , fers, for the reasons that had been assigned by then. As to the Government having reverted to its original point, he could net but say that he shotildiike to see, it.stsengthe=nch.talents as wore pOoseisied by the Rittt H deems' on the door (Mt. Cu. shag). But heaeould not think that the way whi ch was sow proposed was the p roper mo d e o f pro mid. lag to obtain such additional strength as might fie wished. He thought, after what had passed, that they ought to support the Government of the Earl of 'Liverpool, relying on the hope that his !loyal High ness would not lose any opportunity of strengthen ing his Government. The medal' bad his decided dissent. Lord FOLKESTONE disapproved of the motion, on the gronad that it was not adequate to express the feelings of the House and of the country. It did not allude in any way to the situation of the country at the present alarming crisis ; for that was of far more moment than the petty quarrels and disgustful difference between certain persons respecting place sod influence.—[Rear, hear !]—..Such circumstances ought to infiaence neither their hopes nor their dis. cession; they had only to regard the situation of the country, and then to reflect into what hands its Go vernment had fallen at such a moment. Let them call to mind by whom their affairs were guided, and then their adequacy ; and if the House were : still of opinion that the present Administration was inadequate, in their estimation, to the performance of the duties imposed on it, they ought to state such belief to the Prince Regent. He could not see what other duty the House had to perform ; they had only to determine on the adequacy rit. the present Govern ment to meet the difficulties with which the country is surrounded. If that decision were agaivert the Men at present in power, the dangers of the times called loudly on them to express .that opinion to his Royal Highness. As to the sentiments of the Hoo.' LGestlemao (Mr. Wortley), isia-lowiship.cossid ant but remark, that he had taken upon himself some thing injudiciously, to decide who was in the right, 1 and who was in the wrong. That an Hon. Member had proceeded to pass censure on the two Noble Lords , (Grey and Grenville), for refusing the offers that had been made to them; but he (Lord F.) had yet to learn, that any person was compelled to take upon himself great responsibility whether he would or not, merely because the'reqtrest came from a par ticular quarter. They had a right to consider the circumstances which accompanied the offers, and I F after such consideration, they had just as good a right to refuse if they please. For such conduct too, no individual had a right to censure them. In the present instance, however, it was particularly hard, for the Noble Lords had at one time been censur ed for having incepted office, and now, forsooth, they were censured for having refused it. The tables had been most cruelly and wofully turned upon the I Noble Lords ! Whether their reasons were proper or not, he should not examine, for they had nothing to do with we main question now before them. The Hon. Mover had very properly reflected on the delay which intervened, before any offer whatever was made respecting the formation of an extended Administra tion ; and he had as properly said, in effect, that those offers were of such a nature, that they could not be accepted with honour by those to whom they wore made. He (Lord Folkestone), however, could not reconcile those sentiments with the motion ; indeed, the one seemed to throw some doubt over the other. But the question before them was of vital import ance. lie would contend, that an Address ought to be presented to the Prince Regent, grounded on the situation of the country, and the state of the fi nances. With respect to the state of their finances, it was impossibletor any one to look at the papers illustrative of its condition, recently laid on their table, without expressing a desire that the Govern. meat should be placed in other hands than those which brought oar finances into their present state. If they were to revert but to two or three items, the correctness of his assertion would be admitted. In the coarse of the last year it appeared that there was a falling off in the amount of our manufactures ex. ported of ten millions ! It also appeared, that there was a decrease in the amount of the taxes that ought to have been raised of about three millions, while there was an increase in the expenditure of five mil lions. •Such was the state of our finances ; a state which had been brought on by those in whose hands . the Government of the country still continued. Well then, the national question was, would they still set*. for the Government to remain in such Winds—to continue with those who had been twice votert out pf office for incompetency - ? Those who were now in office were the self-same meowho were of the Go. '', vernrnent at the commencement of the present war; they might have changed their positions . 7-they might , have assumed new stations, bat the men wer e the same. They were those individuals who had brought our finaneet into a state of ruin, and our commerce into unexampled distress ; finally , tivy were the men who had brought on the country the impending cala mities which made every one lament the past, and dread the future. Thinking that the original Motion , - „. ; •- • - -_~■~ did not go far enough, the Noble Lord moved as an Amendment, " That an Address be preanted to his Royal Highness the Prince Regent, expresive of the regret of the Home, that his Royal Highness had not been able to form a strong and efficient Government, agreeably to the prayer of their former Address ; also to eouummicate their concern that the Government of the country had been again entrusted to those who had been voted incompetent by the House of Commons—whose *pinto* bf their incompetency was on record. The Home deemed it its duty to address his Royal Highntss on the present perilous sitamlim of the - country, and to cintiore him to take it into his most serious consideration, the finances being in an alarming situation, while our internal resources bad hero impaired and our expenditure increased, Millions had been added to onr expenditure, while the supplies had decreased. Those melancholy dithealties were aggravated by the circumstance of the total disappearance of the iturvent cola of the realm, forwhich hod heenrebetkated paper mammy Majolica* cti•no value—ciremuunisoss which fore told Menem app-vocirof a national bankruptcy. 'riot his Royal Mightiest be tmijored arionsly to take into his ratioll6 deatios the great-lEOd preasing,fianeers if eoileiri as be valves the satiety of the Crown, tad the prosperity of the na tion, to think of making an adequate provision to contend with those dangers. Finally, to prey titbit Royal Highness to sum mon each men to his Councils as will pledge themselves to pro mote the reform of existing abases—to exert themselves to re store to the country its commerce, and, to economize arc red sources." Lord MILTON would also rise to &eve an amendment—[a laugh]—he did not mean to em brace so great a variety of topics as that which had been submitted to the House; he did not conceive it right that the House should, on so short a notice, rush into the presence of their Sovereign with so multifarious an Address. As to that previously moved by his Honourable Friend under the gallery, though he had no particular objection to it, yet he must observe, that it had been introduced by a speech in which much had been said, with respect to what the House bad nothing to do with. He (Lord Milton) would not advert to the serious negotiations, cabals, and intrigues, which were said to be going a fo n r d w o a f rd th a e mo among ub l public f G th o e re c rum oun e t n ry t Administration meii ro th e e hk sta h te the of it was to be entrusted, generally considered,' wai• his only concern. Three weeks since the existing Administration bad been declared incompetent to manage the affairs of the country, and yet we saw thle day those very men invested with the powers of Government. •In marking his sense and that of his political friends, of the insult which the country had thus sustained, he could not forbear adverting a more particular manner to one appointment, name., ly, that of the Chancellor of the Exchequer. A i Gentleman had been appointed to that office who, the c.hasepiess, as he had evinced himself lu 4 11 e discussion, of doctrines of finance of the most er roneous nature, there was every reason to appre. head, would neither do credit to himself nor service to the country in the station which he now filled.— ' Not more than eight years had elapsed since an Ad ministration, compoeed of the same men as were now I entrusted with the Ceovernmeitt Of the country, had been declared unfit for the situations they occupied lat that time. Mr. Pitt and Mr. Fox had laid aside their political animosities to overthrow such a Mi nistry, and yet it was to these men that a drooping and deteriorated country'was now to look for safety from the multifold perils and difficulties by.which she was environed. lie would repeat his disinclination to enter into any details with respect to any in trigues or cabals which might be going forward — other persons better acquainted with their nature might deliver their sentiments; but he would con. tent himself with pressing generally on the observa tion of the House the incompetency of the Ministry just appointed ; and he would declare it to be his opinion, that it was a duty, the performance of 4 which the country expected from their Represen tatives to make known to the Chief Magistrate the incapacity to which he had averted. Ile felt it his duty to move an amendment, expressive of the opinion he entertained of th,e present situation of affairs. In doing so im would not point to par. ticular persons, as his llonotirable Friend had been accused of doing, unjustly accused, according to his notion. lie gave his Honourable Friend fall credit for the sincerity of his intention ; he en tirely believed that he was actuated by no impulse but an anxiety to see the affairs of the country cam 'mitted to such men as were fit to take upon them selves the management of them. It was highly in cumbent upon the House to vote some Address; that which they, had formerly voted, if it meant any thing, meant that the Ministers recently appointed were insufficient; and could the House now be con. tent to have them fixed in their places, without' hay. ing obtained any explanation whatsoever? If they were to rest so content, they would be liable to a charge of pusillanimity; of having deserted their duty ;, of net having respectfully approached the high sanctuary of the Executive Government, which they should approach, to unfold the truth, and nothing , but the truth. Thinking thus, he would move, That an Address should be presented to his Royal High ! nets the Prince. It..gent, stating," that it was with much regret they found, that the desire expressed in the Address.presented to his Royal Highness on the 21st of May had 'not been realized; that they were anxious for the adoption. of such measures, 'consist. 'my at home and rigour abroad; and ardently , wished for the. formation of such a Ministry as might deserve and possess the confidence of the nation. The SPEAKER observed, the Noble ford could not move his Address at present. The ems of the House could not be taken on it till that erready be ofore it were uegatived. Ile could therefore only be considered as having given notice, that he would I move in Address when the proper time came. Mr. M. 'MONTAGU I.:, though he could not think lbe present. Administratioe so good as might be wish ed, thought it equal to any that could be fancied by - • "le. • • frit • si '• a ,_. . ~~. .~ . : - " 1 I : IF 1 e• I t i f . i ''. 1 I ' 1 t , ~..... , . - , .. :1 •I 1 ‘ ' . '$ . 0, 1 . .ii, ' \ ' , , ~ , , \ '‘,• 4 . ,i 1 , 1 .: ate 2 i 1 a