The Statesman. — London, England, 1822-03-21 00:00:00

(iiiiiliontistary Debate, continued from first page.) ARMY RSTIIATCII. Lord PALMERSTON wished to defer for the pretest the Estimates of the Pay-Master-General's Department, and apply himself to those of the War oMce. He le formed the House that he had made a reduction in his office to the extent of 8,0801. since last year, and to the nunilier of sixteen persons. A mistake had occurred last year in the account of fees, by deducting the sum of MIL twice: allowing for that mistake, the saving of 8,000/. was effected. lle haul reduced sixteen clerks. One of 14001. a-year; one of LOW, two of MI., two of ;501., one of 508/., and one of 4301., besides several others of minor extent. When he compared the charges of his °Mee for this year with those for 1814, lie found a reduction now of iS,llOOt, and be hail a wish to make a still forther'rettuction ; but a considerable part of the fwee of his afire was employed on wear accounts. These reductions had been made in p u rsuance of direc tions from the Treasnrr. An alteration in the system had been arranged, which, when brought into full opera tion, would eanse,a swing of 19,11001. The principal of the new scale of promotion would not strike at fiat as beim: different from the former; but on mature consi *ideation, a distinct and more beneficial plan to the toon• try would be seen. The custom was before, that every clerk's right to promotion was dated from his first entry into the other; by the new scale his salary could increase only by his standing in that particular class, which would have the eS'ect /amending for a lt longer time' the period of an increaartl salary. Supposing, therefore, a person coming in at 901. a-year at first, and receiving progressively every step an increase of pay, it would take him 45 years to Naive at a salary of SW. a-year. He then moved that 43,185/. be granted for the War Office. Mr. HCHE remarked, that he could only make out redaction of 7,0001 in this establishment, at the same time that he 'deserved there were additional pensions to the amonnt of 4,9501. When the Noble Lord spoke of a reduction of KOMI/. since the year 1814, he ought to state to the Committee the number of pensions recently granted, which amounted to 17,910/. The superannu ation system was earned, in the office of the Secretary at War, to a greater extent than it had reached in any office under Government. In 1798. the whole establish ment stoemi the country in KIM!.; wh it was now upwards of 43,0001 With respect to the arrear accounts, he was quite satisfied that the establishment of decks which was kept up to-inspect them was of DO utility whatsoever. These accounts had been left in a state of cosfulien, nntil all whocosild give any information about them were dead and gone: and yet the department for inarteetinz such accounts bad cost the public from 130 to 110001. in the course of the last 20 years. lie was prepared to show, •hat no office tinder Government re qnireul &different arrangemenemore decidedly than that or the Noble Lord. No person, however, could inter fere with the Noble Lord in checking or controlling the system. There was one singularity in the office to which lie would call the attention at( the Committee. There was a Secretary at War, with 2,4501. a-year, and a Deputy who received 2,500 f. a-year. Why had the Do pntv more than the principal? The first clerk received 1.1001. a-year, although in 1796 his salary was but 7221. The Commissioners of military inquiry, when they ex amined the state of the War Office, deliberately gave it as their opinion, "that the additions made to the sa tarifa oldie principal clerks were granted under parti cular circumstances, and were, iu general, to be consi dered merely temporary." It was qnite evident, that these very high Wall ies were intended as a reward for great exertions in the time of war, and they ought there fore to erase when hostile operatimis were no longer carried on. He had expected that the Noble Lord would lay before the House the scale to which he bad al 'wird ; of the merits of which they could not judge. nntil they had an opportunity of examining it. He would now advert to some circemstanees connected with theentravagance of the office. Mr. Brown had been al lowed to act as Commissary for a short time, and from that department he haul retired with 276/. a-year. He had 1,200/. a-year as clerk. But all that was not enough; 3110/. a year were added as clerk to thefund for chaplains, &e. It was extraordinary, too, that each of these eleeks had 71. 151.511. allowed him for Newspapers. Mr. Rich. it -men WWI thus in receipt of 1,926/. a-year altoge ther. If lie seas incorrect in ■ny of these statements, the Noble laird was to bleat?, for detailed accounts o 'alit to have been laid before the house. liedithnot admit that the house was to look only at the aggregate amount of money. There was a Mr. edward Marshal, who bad 70t1/. a-year, and received besides 1501. fur preparing es timates to lay before the house. Now be was overpaid as clerk, if he was able to sparetime to make up the es timates. A Mr. Wilkinson had been eiglitelk years in the office, and received 4:10/. a-year. For assisting iii snaking up the estimates he received 1110/. ; for regulat-1 ing the army list 100/.; and for preparing lists of militia trod yeomanry Italt. lie bad, besides, some other em ployment connected with the army list, and appeared al together in six different capacities. This plan was all of the Noble Lord's creation. A Mr. Merry haul been eler.•n years a clerk, nith a salary of 250/. He was, he. pi.le4, private secretary to the assistant secretary. The whole duty of the department might be done by fifteen persons, and fur 15,000/. Contingencies were stated at 2,2501. Last year the Noble Lord haul slated, that not one senior clerk could be spared. Yet what had he done? He h cal turned oat five or six senior clerks, and if half a dozen inure were turned out, the business could he done a• well as mow. Mr. Sullivan had been ten years in the office, anti he received 1,0001. Now had he, by seniority or otherwise, acquired such a salary? But it was more. A person having 1,200/. a year had linen reduced, and Mr. Sullivan load Ilia salary increased- to 1,200/. a ! •ear. This was Ministerial ecuituoiny. lie wished time Noble .Lord to say how airily yonog men had been lat e ly re ceived into office? During the last two years, and since the preemied economy haul commeneed. eight or nine voting men had been received. The half-pay was 17.417/. The changes which the Noble Lord bad meat dill not, in short. promote economy or thepithlic service. Lord PALNIERSTON said the lion. 3lember gave very great encouragement to reduction, when he treated reduction% that haul been made in such a manner. lie (Lord Palmerston) ha•l last year stated the inconvenience of dismissing senior clerks, and when, in obedience to the orders of the Government, lie bad dismissed some, the lion. Member turned that as a charge against him. With an inemusisteney peculiar to himself. the Honour. able Member tumoral mood, and charged as a fault the very act which be hail formerly urged to he done. Yonng men %tete - said to have bi-en introduced. That wan precisely the Eno-le in which reduction had been rf. fected. Persons receiving high salaries had been re duced, and others hail been appointed at 90/., and not so many in number. This was a reduction from salaries of 1,00111. 800/. and MI/. a year, to salaries of 901., and f.wer, too, in number. Let this be compared with 1797. Then the clerks bad been few, and in receipt of high , salaries. Now it was the . The deputy's salary was filed at 2000/. in future, The person who now held that situation had no extra allousairee. When be had been chief cashier of army accounts, lie had received 1,5,041. a year. He had also held the office of supplying garrimma abroad, by which he had been making a yearly saving of 994. He thus gave tip 2.400/. amid received 0n1y72,0J01. Where the Henourablettentleman obtained his information, he did not, nor did be wish to know ; bat his informer could have given him better inform ation. It was impossible to image the business better far the public .serytze. of for any clerks to work harder THE 1 Sleet 1810, not fewer than IS clerks hid died of pulmo nary, complaints, nod disorders arising from sedentary ItaMts. The Honourable Member had alluded In the grant to • private secretary, which had formerly been ceder the consideration of the House. Status to pri vate secretaries ROM now discontinued. It was true; however, that some of the senior clerks were allowed newspapers. This allowance had by nn means 'Wended to all, and it vfas now farther restricted. The Honour able Member accused him of having introduced a system of pluralities. His informer could bare told him, that be had set his face against pluralities. He had dim'. leveed any clerk from holding any other situating *lib oat his leave, which leave he never granted. The Hoe. Member hail said that he would dernif two or three days of his valuable time to armoire the estimates. He most decline this offer, for the accuracy of arithmetic which the Honourable Member had displayed in that House could not be a snakiest recommendation for such employment. A difference of 2,090,0n01, or 3,0110,00111. more or len, might not be inconvenient on the other side, hut on his(Lord•Palmerston's) side it would be very inconvenient. Weeks. and not dsys, were required for performing this duty, which listed several months, and they who performed it were not overpaid for it. The Honourable Gentleman was quite mistaken in supposing that there was an allowance for publishing the monthly army list. The lion. (Jeannine did not enderstand the difference between yearly and monthly lists, and here again it appeared what a precious assistant be would have in the Hon. Member.—(A laugh on the ministerial side.) The annual list could not be published, except at a loss. The Hon. Gentleman had also proposed an establish ment of fifteen persons at fifteen thousand pound., and this was what he would call economy. The names of clerks had been so commingled by the Hon. Gentleman, that each rase could not be answered. His private se cretary received no more than his services merited ; and others who assisted in the laborious duty of arranging and managing accounts were in a similar situation. The routine of office and the manipulation of his (Lord Pal• merston's)papers could not be performed, without ouch al lowances as were given. Mr. Sullivan he had appointed at once, instead of a former clerk who had retired.— With respect to bis services, though be (Lord Palmer ston) might be partial to him, the more he inquired, the more reason he found to believe that he had acted rightly in this appointment. He only received one thou sand pounds. But prospectively the salary was fixed at twelve hundred pounds. The Hon. Gentleman asked how many young men had been introduced in the last year. He lLord Palmerston) had appointed six tempo rary clerks last year, with a distinct understanding that no retired allowances were. to be given. The Noble Lord thee went into a comparison of the present expense of the department, with the charge which had been made upon it in former years. In the year 11106, the vote had been fifty-six thousand pounds, and the num ber of persons employed one hundred and five; in the present year one hundred and six persons were employed. and the vote was forty-four thousand pounds only. It was evident, therefore, that between 1906 and 1822, a considerable reduction in salaries must have tales place. The period of 1792 had been adverted to; bat let the amount of duty done in that year be looked at. In 1792, the number of papers sent out of throffice seas seven thou sand two hundred, and 21 persons were employed. In the last year the number of papers sent oat bad been 99,722, and the number of persons employed 134; so that if the persons employed had increased in number five or six fold, the quantity of business done bad in creased in a much larger degree. Colonel DAVIES thought that the Noble Laid oppo site had taken rather an unfair tone towards his Hon. Friend (Mr. Hume.) He (Colonel Davies) objected to the bringing in of junior clerks at reduced salaries, if large superannuation allowances were to be given to the seniors displaced: there was no economy in such a course. The Noble Lord opposite was to be judged. not by what belied saved, but by what he might have saved. He(Colonel Danes) believed that there had been a saving to the colony from the examination of the arrear accounts, but that saving had been made at a very heavy expense. Mr. HUME observed that an allusion had been made to his mistake of millions, but on a review of the Navy !Unmans it would be found that the sum was almost identically what he bad mentioned, it appearing to be, on the examination of these papers, 17,738,000/. The Noble Lord disputed, but did not disprove his state meets. The Noble Lard spoke of 901. but he would ask him, had the youngest clerk in his office less than ea a-year? He (Mr. II.) admitted that Mr. Sullivan might be a very meritorious officer; bat perhaps then were other reasons for his getting an increase of salary. He contended. notwithstanding the assertions of Hon. Gen tlemen on the other side, that if reductions were made, there was still room for further. Lord PALMERSTON said the Hon. Gentleman ac. aped hint of having given in increase of salary to a person in his office, insinuating—or at least tieing words which warranted the inference, that the iosrease was given because that person was privately connected with him. So far from that being the rase. be conlil assure the Hon.tiontlentan no increase at all took place. Atonetime the Hon. tientlentan accused him of giving an increase; at another time he word the tables, and awned him of not giving an increase ; thus proving his own incon sistency, and wasting the time of the House. Mr. BENNET contended that his Honourable Friend (Mr. Hume) was not open to any charge of in , consistency. Mr. W. SMITH did not think that the Noble Lord bad explained the charge which had been made of a clerk having left the War Office for the Commissariat, and then returned to the War Office, receiving a retiring pension from the Commissariat. Lord PALMERSTON confessed he was unable to affirm or contradict the assertion which had been made relative to the individuals in question, as it Mint have occurred long before be (Lord Palmerston) came into the office. The question was then put and carried. The next vote was for 26,953/. for the Army Pay Office. Colonel DAVIES thought that the office of Patinas tertieneral might very well be dispensed with, fist as he did not expect to be able to pewuade the Committee of this, he would direct himself to the present high ex penditure of the department. I n 1797 t h e autonnt of sa laries was I 1,340/.; in lS! the'charge was upwards of 26,000/. when the extent of the army was not to he eons pared with what it was in the former period. The sa !erica now amounted to 19,0001. and this, it was to be remembered, was fur an office which was ministerial, and the duties of which might be performed by the Bank of England, without th e p resent o ffi ce at all. It was an office whiet hail undergooe scarcely any revi sion, and was capable of a great deal. He should not himself propose any amendment, but would support one made by any other person. e . Sir C. IA M: said, there nos no office in the State which had undergone so much revision as this. It had been subjected to the consideration of a Committee in 1791, 1797, ISII7, 1811, and 1517 ; and of all these, he would venture to say, that not one of these Coonitit tees ever said the office was useless. Yet the Hoo. Mem ber comedown and said that ail these Committees were wrong, and knew nothing of the nature of the offiee; and what had eSCaII4%I the acute investigation of Lord Colchester anal Mr. Burke, who had been Chairman of two of she Committees. the lion. hisushre's saewity had d s•o , crest. The I 100. Gentleman talked without Itsowitig any thing about the matter, seperficiallv, not to say ie• 6 serenity, when be called this office a 31inisterial office. .111 4 . payirg et lialf-pay. he Issliovotl, could sot be can't' Unr the Mori. Slember talked of Aft Maul bring Moir to take all the besittess ont of his bawls. In ibis, too. be was finite wring, sad rertaisly could not Mao comities's' that Joraiesgst the issaitifarions duties of his *itemise, were the issue of -half pay, •the decision tw all intricate cams relatir to the issne of prize-tooney, pension for soldiers wounds, and allowances to the wi dows sad Molest of raters. fleshlrs this. a [real per daft or his own thee was occupied in similar matters at (Arises Hospital. Dariarthe time that be had bees is the sitnatiat he bad dose all is his power to reduce the charge of the Department, awl then the lion. Member t tilted of its lariat undergone 1111 revision, be must bre him to look at the progressive diminution of charge of late years. la Inkt It was 14.1.0011 In lAouitwas tt9.438 1817 34.0110 Itltl tB. l loo lAOA Mont I Mitt' 28,313 IBM ~. MAE I Than (or thr last six years it had beensulterieg a eradual reduction.—(Bear, locar.)—Whons he first went i n to his situation there was much business in —now there was none, every thing being before the auditors up to the latest ;aerosol. Ile defied the lion. Mealier to do the Waimea with a less trueelwr of clerks than he (Sir C. Long) had. He bad reduced many, and was ready to reduce more wit it was apparent that it could be done consistently. He knew that Hon. Gentlemen op posite cried out against the weight of reduction falling upon the jnniors alone. the senior clerks remaining un touched. Now it so happened that he hail diminished the salaries of all the tipper clerks in his ofice.—(Hear.) He did not expect, however, that this ever would satisfy • lion. Gentlemen opposite, tont that they would rather tern round esti upbraid Ilion for not being more tender to the old servants of the ;while He assured the Commit tee that he had done all that was possible to reduce the estahlishinent as low as ;sensible, consistently with the public welfare; but he did not mean to say that he ex pected to satisfy the Hononrable Gentleman opposite.— (Hear, hear.) Mr. HUME thoeght the Right Hoe. Gentleman took tolerable credit to himself, considorieg the amount was only 1,908/. since last year. The Right Hon. Gentle- I man appealed to the Committees—he (Mr. Hume) ap pealed to them Max By a reference to their reports it wsuM be found that his Hon. and Gallant Friend (Col. Davies) was completely borne out, in stating this to he a Ministerial office, an.l that the whole of the duty oldie office might be done with greater ease by the Bank. All that the office did was, after making the applicant for payment go through half a dozen rooms, to give a cheque on the Bank of Righted after all. Bat the Right lion. Gentleman's time was take. up in de ciding Chelsea Hospital cases. What has the Pay Office to do with the Right Hon. Gentleman belonging to the Board of Chelsea Hospital. Notwithstanding his great exertisons, he cask' assure him that some of the Army Agents could teach him to simplify his plans. Newish ed to know whether the Committee about to be appoint ed to inquire into the male of keeping public accounts, were to carry thtic investigations to other offices than the Treasury. If so, he din sure their Report worth! point out a mode of simplification for the Pay Office. He wished to know whether he was to understand that the Right Hos. Gentleman had added the department of foreign half-pay to his office. If so, he ought to have dose it without any addition to the number of clerks. Sir C. LONG said, that be bad done all in his power to simplify the accounts in his office, arid he did not think they could be bitter managed than they were at present. With respect to the additional clerks from the office of the foreign bait-pay, he would only state, that when the business was trait:fermi to bis office, be bad. 6ndiog that additional clerks were necessary, selected two of the most irstelligent from the six in the office where that branch was before transacted, and invited them to his office it the salaries they had held before. As to the opinion of the Committee of 1727, of the office being ministerial, be would only say, that if it was so considered at that period, it was not so in 1822. - Colonel DAVIES explained. Lord PALMERSTON said the duty of the Paymaster- General eonld not he discharged by the Bank. Mr. PIERCE said it was quite extravagant to "sup pose that the Bank could perform such a duty. Colonel DAVIES asserted any such thing: all he contended for was, that the Secretary at War might draw on the Rank as well as the Paymaster-G I. Mr. HUME contended that there was no occasion for a separation of the foreign halfpay and British half par. The Resolution was agreed to. The nest was to grant a sum of six hundred and eighty-four thousand pounds for the Deputy Adjutant. General's Department. • Mr. HUME asked why fire hundred pounds a rear was added to the Ailjstant•General's allowance until be was on the Staff. That officer was now on the staff, and why should the allowance be continued. Lord PA LSIERSTON said the Adjutant and Quarter master-general were not on the staff now, nor had been sinse 13161 and their pay was now less than it was in 1 1815. The Resolution was agreed to. The sum of three hundred and twenty pounds was voted to the Depoty.aajutant-grseral in North Britain ; anal 2501. for the Deputy-quartermaster-bleneratin North Britain. On moving the sum of 4,5501. fur the Department of the .ludgße•advocate-teneral, Lord PALM ftBSTON, in answer to a question from Mr. ffnme. said that there was a considerable saving in that Department. Mr. 1.11:111E said the expense was far too great at. this time. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER entered into some exploitations respecting the present expenses helengiog to this department, which were regulated on she ease economical scale. Mr. 111 ME said Sir Charles Morgan received DM/. a year ; but in I Sl7 the expenses were increased to 44W. And he should none to reduce that sum to .7.1501. leav ing 1,500/. a year to the Jodge-advocate-general. The SOLICIThIt-IiENLRAL said this office was held by patent, ansl the holder of it was entitled to the salary of a Puisne Judge. Sir C. Morgan held the of fice for many years, and he being a man of large property. never troubled himself about applying for an increase of salary, although by law be was entitled todo so. Many great and important duties belonged to this office, fur upon the character of the Judge depended the lives and characters of all the officers in the British Army. In time of peace he had most numerous duties to perform, as well as in time of war All reports of Military courts martial were transmitted to him for his approbation, in order that no injustice might be done to individuals.— Besides, tbi. officer was always the adviser of the Cons tnander•in-Chirf on all Military questions connected with point* of law ;and no man c o uld sa y that his salary was too much. ft was also to be observed, that the duties of Ireland and Scotland had devolved on him since 1517. Mr. HUME denied that the place in question was a patent place; and it was absurd to suppose, that with the present diminution of our forces, there could be say necessity fur keeping up an office with the saute expense as .I.trilie the war. The SPEAKER raid he felt it necessary to state what was the real duties of this office. If this were a questing merely of sala-ies, he could cot say sword about it ; let ■s there ►eemed to be a doubt respeciiae the somata of duty to be petf..rueed, he would assure the Committee, -4werrenotome that Burin; the two r un he held the offse t its a s ,. was so laborions, that in all th at t i me he bad net —7l than five weeks of leisure, and was titter able to be e l l ; seat inner than a fertnieht it a tits , . The is eet h e peace or war saute tie slifterance is regaidte the am m of they. or the importance of the office ; for the oJagp Advocate General had to superintend the prociedian all Courts Martial; they must all come nailer his sg dos, and be was responsible for their conduct. If th e strict rules of evidence were not always observed i s Courts hlartial, that erase frown the construction of th t blurts themselves; and when be was in office, h e et . ways took care to see that ail the eridenre given's f e i 4le should be riven accordiug to law. and that awn oe ;64 trials should have every possible advantare.--.olm. hear.) If the Are was to be tneintained, it ought tell with dignity; and he loge's! thr Committee, if ti,,. were leeternsine.l to reduce the salart , of the Jod ie two thousand fire hundred peon& to tile thossand hundre.l pounds • year. that they wnaid tint do mak the gronnd of any reduction suppo•ed to bare tale( p i..., i s t h e h fl ai rs -, s he bad to perform be et ) The 'ma psi tfee then divided. On the amendment, the immix's., were—pot it, !5..; Aesines it IN—Majority 106. The Estimate was then acreed to. The seta of 12.7d5/. was then voted for the Cisaipti•!: ler of Army Accomsts„ Clerks, &e. The of 5,715/. being toured for the apn oe a the Medical Department. Mr. HUME, wished to hare the capes', of both branches of the Medical Departreeet is the nature of one emablishment. He asegidered theses sere than otriet economy ought to allow. Lord PALMERSTON said the duties wereof thenstt important description; the officers of the establish. meet were entrusted with the health of the troops. The Estimate, and also that fur the Sledieal Depart. Dent in Ireland. were agreed to. The som of 19,3:131. was•graeted fur Medicines fee the Hospitals. For Volunteer Corps in Ireland, sixty one theanat three hundred and nineteen pounds. 'To defray the e: pease of the different troops waited fob the East India Company's service, the sun ad Map three thoaned one hundred and eight pounds. On the Illation that 13,6621. 1.. 761. be framed teal,. fray the expense of the Royal Military College fw tit ensuing year. Mr. HUME asked the Noble Lord what was therm. son for keeping upso large a scoff at that estohlishawst? There were a governor, a lieutenant-gorernor, a majee, four captain', and so on ; in short, the whole sodium the country 6,0001. a year, anal nse:ely for superiatnd. ing the education *fa few young turn. Thoegh there were now 290 cadets at the college. the whole somber ad. muted into the army between laid mid ltdl was 140. These young men had cost the country 115.2304., at the rate of 7201. for each cadet. Darisl the last year, out of the 290 there were 41 rides who had got commissions ; bat the remaining 246 were still ogre. tided fur. New he would ask the Noble Lord whet reason there was for educating more than they reel! provide with commissions? BS the routine °idle ark lege, one fourth of the number of cadets left it every year. so that a the 70 thus leaving it, as only 44 were provided for. the expense of educating the reassioiag 36 was thrown away. Why, then, was not the amber of admissions to the allege limited to the umber of of commissions which amid be given ? lie observed,st the end of the particulars of the expense, a site little item of 2s. 6.1. per day for the 290 gentlemen cadets. Way was this sum granted to them? Ile supposed fw of other reason than to pnt them tinder military law. Tut committee would not do their duty if they ad not dial. nish this expenditure. as well as that of the staff. The Hon. Member next pointed out the impeoprietv of her ing so many as 29 different professors to superriteerl the education of these 290 young gentlemen, and added, that the salaries of the governor and deptoy-gocerow sight be reduced without soy detriment to the establishmest. After several obserntions to the same effect, the Hes. Member concluded by stating, that he she'll were for the reduction of this rote by 5.01104., which wield leave it 8,6611.15. 7d. Ile would not point out the particalsrs on which this reduction ought to be wade, hat weak leave it entirely to the Noble Lord's discretion. The amendment being put, Lord PALMERSTON said, that the effect of the amendment would be to break down, by degrees, the establishment. He would not waste the time of the House by arguing the necessity of a professional eds cation for those gentlemen inteutled for officers of the army. MI who were acquainted with the histery of the country knew no great achievements were effected with some previous instruction. The system of pteriato military education was adopted in every eatery. If such an institution was then necessary. the staff was sat too large, and should be kept op. The persons airier instruction were not mere boys, although ibey cash! not i.e called men, and military dicers would cooped respect from them, and reduce thew to obedience. The ' entire number of 'persons admitted since the estrldblb ment of that college was 2596, and out of that Hotel 1n29 went into the army, in one tray or auother. Is America, a country which might he supposed not to adept any system of an unconstitutional or despotic MOM there was a military college, and the number of rolets was 272 to an army of live thousand, while in Engbai it was 290 to sixty thousand. Mr. F. PALMER was willing to admit that yesit men ought to be educated, but he consinered the ester* too great. The ti and Secretary liovereor sere certainly not necessary. Sir I . DE UILESPitINT considered rerinction isthis estimate necessary. The lion. baronet disclaimed A opposition bet that which proceeded trom a desire IC serve the country. Lord PALMEHSTON was patistied the Collep de' rived the greatest advantage from the w rrices oh t h. Cloven:tor. Mr. F. PALMER exl.lained. Mr. KENNET did not wish to see more ass use hundred boys, the sent of otficers,Cducated st the Esta blishment. Colonel WOOD said, the sons of Officers is the C legs were just one hundred, and oue hundred 1 01 6 " were sons of persons lint OsTeem olio paid for their education, so that the Honourable Menders who I:. ported the amendment were only r • ou tredieg 1 43 . 3 eighty students, lle was eouvinced the tievereor of great !mutt to the est..ldishment. lite question being called for, the Committee aV il divided t :— he Amendment 26—Against it 7.l—Majori t ! The Estimate was then voted. Lord PALMERSTON immediately after said. it 114 not his intention to go farther with the diseesdes 0 1 that occasion, hut he proposed to proceed with the dad Estimates on Friday. The House then resumed, and the Report was onler`4 to he received on Friday. bfr. wiLisn.tu.tm gave notice of his intentiol:!, bring in a Bill on tbe2 4 .lth inst. to regulate th e tradol Canada. 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