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. k i t. I . i t i i 1 1 . F' t 4 ' . i 1 I , 1 1 al . 1 V4l t t • i l l i .) •,. 1 i MI 1 1 1 1 1't • tins at the conclusion, Mead of say*. g' the s4lllc as hereinafter mentioned," the tree shoshi be, ' astreefter provided and excepted." After a few words from the CHANCSLLOS of the Extureuna and Sir Joao Newport., the ✓usendasent was carried. Sir Goo. HILL also wished that the word " is" be immted.—This amendment was also carried. Jattes Ifireirevout =sleeted, that the wind ". steepled" eight be mmitisd, being of no tllsr Gioia; mu. wisherirlNi music r in pa mule to the ward " delealliallado " ' Veit cheer itt• its ellesidillVillett was then read to Mirl iowiltee, anal eseied-dildialist a divisio n . , The 044. e eat theft *NB al Wows : • litiet it %ether witiete4l. * the Midiseity aforesaid, *bet it Asti ond arty be Isobel Sid as 7 se his Mojestfa Romeo Cathedieralshrets be appear in ally of his Majesty's Crows of b e Beath, Causes ro.s, if Failsraser at Illosaoioster . or Dublin , w la asp of Central Quarter feraloss a Greet Britain or lrrisrol, er ia any of his Majestysa era of Seasioe, t-einey, or Itsraregore, or la say Sheri or Steward Court, or before the Magisirsiss sad Coritisetiset r *a Royal lbw rosuba, or before eke reepeoil 44 their respeetive Ilseesgb• t'' lk• Orir and tired Mien flatlet. Wises* tie bows of risejet jporsiesipaisill toss i• the aftenteei c lo take, nisbe evo robsertb‘ ti• said 11atb burin bat Wore toestioned, god tier+, fittli•of Obiarsgiort **A Alletriante and Mutt bpeopesi abirerefisarbr raw witheriseas Nor ersostirly of sad s o ront ah.o .uumi sissil ka, sobseribe sod debeer • err. lieriltramirk °oils Immion We* duly MaAns lAN* and sub •et 'bre'. to the Orme who shall beer so made, tetra and r•horihed the woe if the rune shell be demanded; ate . roeh reediest. shod he suMeiest eviderire of sorb pe:, 4 , 2 itseirtg dirty atetki.takas, sod ..,.imbed sorb slabs a g,,, e . owl; es:luso from and after the paasiwgofthisfr:t, so with or with, 'hill be teed red to or required le be r:.,k re My hN tin. jetty's Rnma• Catholic subjects, who la k yna k, aid tu b. *tribe the sai t.atbshat bereillba P ore sweat lotted, and obtain ‘oeh r"liecotr illenent atif reinbefuve mentioned, for es. reeling them to hull 60% 4 , 4 ma y ' ,pal o f pe r sons, property, robe, than redo Ito 10 0 ; y la* be trasbrerl to sod retyaired to t.l-1. by his ir sausity•• Miter subjects; and lint the said " 1 "" isealineed, bring duly wade, takes •" (11 and such certiarata thereof °toehold 's shah be in the plan of, and as acid nod Jrnelhial, in all Weals said porpos.,, foe the perms so making, taking sod sobserlisiog the same, art if seen per son had dilly made, tabs each soirsecibrd lb. several oaabe pt+, by law regales,/ to be takes y his Majesty's Roams radoslie sohkets, as spealilleatiwas ter (he enjoyment of itny civil right, oar. or franchise, or of any lasi or personal properly: Provid:d always, that sodding herein eurttaheed shall be Meld to digress, watb die takiep of the said oaths of nbjeration wed ollegrisser, by such hot Majesty's Roman Catholic sultkets„ i • . 11 ea;ri where theme. are by kw tots iegiirect to be tikes, or with the tatiog of the said mitt itreby appaphsted 8.• be takes, is the place of the said oat% of superatarry, is nit wow wh ets the said cads of seprorsaey is sow ill law required its be taken." Upon When.- 111 r. Pest observed. that 'there appeared was ioaccurecy is rim wording of this clew. it says. • opeAking of the oath. " to take. make and ash serbe the oath hemp Jeer before mentioned"— Now the heat oath refers to toosostratsatirtion. _ - Joni, Nswirort fiuggertati. that. instead a them etOido. the herein described to be sari slinsild he ingested. Mr. 11'itineitits.t. **nerved. that lower down 'theft appeared prime words for•which he row no ese. `..` Presided al•ma tisk nothiug herein 'continued 'hall be held to dispense with the Ragtag of the grid ',tier." These winds appeorted to hen quite us sieceseety. If them were say thing that vivid raise a doubt. then there might be some necessity. 'hat be apprehended beet no such doubt cooldariee. Sir JANIS MACILINToiII remarked that the tier. -41111101asice stow Iruut tw over-outtlety to leave no thing* sautione. After a few weeds from Mr. T. COVIIT LA a If, the third ciente. in its amended state. was. carried. Mr. Bataan then rose. He said that in ad -dressing himself to this most important question. there were two classes of Gentlemen to whom hie Aitiseirstlions might I.e directed. There were those who thought that no qualification should be de minded ; and others, who, lie hoped, formed the •hiegeat prat, that thought some restrictions and -ealificatioas were necessary, and that no conces sions should be granted without getting proper securities. From the first elms. lie had to entreat 'their indulgence, as he feared that no argument -could reach them ; bat from the second class he • !aimed their earnest attention, because he felt firm ly persuaded shit all the securities they could get becuine nugatory and impertect the moment this concession was granted. If you once admit Ca tholics into Prishament, yore 10-e the only power you had to carry these securities into effect. He soderstood the Right Honourable Baronet (Sir John Newport) on whom the care of the Bill de ••lvecl, in consequence of the absence of the Right Hon. sod Learned Gentleman (Mr. Plunkett) which, ao well as the circumstance that has ocean coiled it, toe whole House must sincerely deplore—he un derstood him to say, it was his intention to en .gt•ft the two Bilis. This was a circumstance 'which he (Mr. Bankes) had wished from the be winning. Because, be keeping them separate, they 'night pees the one atid not the other. They might ions the Bill containing all the privileges. and egainst the other the whole Catholic Clergy might live in arms and repudiate; for they already be. • to open their mouths, and say the Bill wee more objectionable than that of 1813. With this fact staring them in the face, he was not surprised at the change in the supporters of the Bill. He well sooderstotel the change of circumstances that ren sieved the matter more a measure of necessity t loin of choice. He lead heard it said on former occa sions, that we were not to mind the impressions that might be made on the mind, of the Catholics ; that we were not to legislate, not to make a treaty ; and that whether they consent or not. it should not intlueoce our derision'.—(Hew, hear.)—Now there tray be • great deal of dignity in this, but certainly there is very hivie of common sense. The preamble.. of the Bill states, that this is a measure to conciliate nil pieties. But how can it be c.illed a inemstre of Maciliation, when the Catholics refuse the securities ..(itch we demand for confening these braefits upon been ? Surely so proceed in this measure is to act hike me n blindfolded, like melt devoid of cominou reuse. lie cared not what some Gentlemen • might ray. hot it is on the consent and unanimity of the Ca -sanolica which should h e the pillar aud support of the Bill, that the .access of the 1111•110111 e must mainly sl#prilit. Ii would appear eiratige to him if the Ce 'belie Clergy should now depart from all thew for. Viler professions, and become ponies to the eremitic , . 'now 1101,0111.11 on them. Ile had declarations of theirs. ruling that they never could agree to lay inteifereure vu the part of 'the King, either • in the amstioation or the ea(aCve of h. whether pointment of their Bi Then if ext. no alteratives is their t or an oath conditions ore mow boil Ifetelefont. tolse what ham; Ise shook* 'psis* to .i.h Meets was stated that we con eosvellfsbe)the C deft dims i The words then? Instead of conciliation, hedlimeeived it would not to any privilege be a measure of agitation and t umu l t &mow& after posies to t he destriectiassa the ifiessr...— the membem of that church. He now came to that 1 Church and Government of the country." This point which was more immediately before the I he thought was pretty clear; but what was the ex cansideestiou of the Commis , — •44t. the es- ploasition " All here are agreed that *Mk the Go vernsaeut and religion most be violated in osier to came siting the violationisf the with." Bat there • was mother clasp of men that did not seen to be recollected in framing this Bill—he 'moot the Jesuits. Is it known to the Committee that there are two orders of Jesuits genetically established. one et Stooyhoest, in Lieneashire, and the other et Camtebrown, in Ireland ? There are persons or dinned belonging to that body. and yet there was: nothing in that Bill that affected them. Waa it neeessary for him to state who these Jesuite are. that they bad the educates' of a great particle of Serape ? They will of course have the edocatieW of the sons of the nobility, and from them we are to have oar future musters; end be shoold like to know what kind cf prioriples they are likely to imbibe from such preceptor'. They have been driven oat of Russia, they have been driven out of Spain, and from raviolis other conutriet, and now they are established in this country. lh shoukl not detain the Howse mach longer. He had endeavoured to shew the dangers that are like ly, which are the inevitable consequence of this measure ; for he felt firmly persuaded, that should the Catholics be admitted into Parliatneut, they if they act consistently with their creed, en deavour to subvert the established religion of the country. Should a change of times favourable to the Catholic occur, he should be ready and desirinos to seine the opportunity. hot at present he saw nothing but danger, and if the House now conceded what was asked, it would be vain to attempt to oppose any future harriers, the tide would rush in, and control would no longer be possible. The Him. Member concluded by moving. as an amendment to be . added to the third clause— " That *Whine In this Act should /attend, whs sera 'trued to extend to dispels.* with, repeal or atter sayer OP laws Dow in fora with respect hi the exclusive of Ilblinnt Catholic, from or voting to either tioerM sd Parliament." •. Mr. CALCIA/T mid, as be had sot hithevtuleli vexed his sentiments ow the lineation, he hoped to he indulged with the • attention of the Committee for a short time. The Hon. Member who had just sot dawn had entered ou a larger trlol than he shush!, as it was his iasentious to confine himself strictly so the question before the Committee. if he could adenhite uponthose distant dangers which had been alluded to, without regarding the existing dangers of the anomalous situation tit which we were placed—if he could so regard them, then he should feel less surprise at the argtemeists which had been addressed to the House. The Hon. Member had stated, that there were two sets of persons, or rather of opimons, ui the House— oue who thought the restrictions imposed by that House as nothing, and the other wise con ceived of them very highly. He confessed that he was one of those who eonvidered paper restrictions as of but little consequence, and he thought if that were till the security. it would be but a slender sue ; but knowing that men were governed by their interests and their passions, he had a baser sense rity fur the general good which was thins bound up in the particular interest. To suppose that if the Catholics were admitted tonal: in that House,they would be able to overturn all the Pniteatant pawn of the country, was tosoppote the Protestants less attached to their establishment than those whom they thus endeavoured to keep oat. The flo nourable Member (Mr. Banker) hail spoken of the measures in 1793. He (Mr. Colcraft) Weyer expected that lie should have to defend Mr. Pitt in that House, bat he must say that if ever there was a libel upon • departed Statesman, it wes that which Vie Huituurable Member had uttered that night. He denied that it wee, as he had described it. a race for popularity between two contendiog parties and intended by Mr. Pitt to conciliate and get the support of a powerful body. No ! Mr, Pitt sass induced by the change of circumstance,. by the growing importance mind 'bombers of the Catholics, to adopt the treasure (some steps to which had been previously made) of granting them the elec. live franchise. No doubt Mr. Pitt intended to follow up that concession by further grants. It was inipou'sible to say to the human mind, so far shall you go end no further.—/ Hear, hear, hear.)—He was glad of the Hou. Gentle men's cheers, he wished their intention to what lie asserted, as it was the kej-stoue of his argument ; end he asserted, that the elective franchise could riot be granted to them without leading them to expect that which was now proposed to concede. He could not think any such danger as the Hon. Member •pprehendori. from the admission of Ca. t holies into that House; on the cossirtiry, bethought that there the danger, if it existed, would be neu tralised. But it was said that they waisted power, and it was flared dist 40 Roman Catholic Members, educated at Stoneyhurat by the Jesuits, would be 5o formidable, that the Constitution would be eat dangered by their admission to That House. They were admitted to the command of fleets and armies. to a situation whew they were uncontrolled, whilst they refused to admit bun within those walls, where for centuries to come he must be in • mi nority. The Honourable Member had wander ed into • good deal of general argument against the Bill, forgetting that the House hail al ready consented that the Catholics., taking • cer tain oath. should be admitted to their seats, and now the lion.Gentlemau came forward with a clause to defeat that which had been agreed to by a majo rity on a former occasion. The reel question, he thought, might be resolved into three short points : Could it be done with surety ? fled the Catharines so behaved as to went it And was the Protestant mind in that stste of preparation that it could be xi-sided without any inconvenience ? On the last point lie thought the prevent wits a peculiarly favourable moment, the discussions in both Houses of Parliament having so dissipated prejudices aad enlightened the public mind, that even those who could not approve, yet had nothing left to say egainst the measure. The Protestant mind might therefore be said to be ripe. lied soy case then been _, clu&tg lie Catholics trona seats in ......,=......... On turbine occasions the Home amictimed the pre vious steps of a measere timelier it• the pretest, with rash larger majorities them on the present 1445, yet she ostmerasson of Cothohett to Parliameut seemed, in JBl3, so objectionable a soomore that it was lost. What might b• the fate of a *Hadar mafiosi, which ho should have the Isestoueof assitisig to-night, he knew not ; he woe wilting to go to a cerise* point, end the Right Lieu. Gentleman opposite (Mr. Canning) was see* of his ferlinp— ,lse was willing to go a cassia length ; hot 'towel as he wished to coociiliste, and highly as je valued that most lops! and , respectable %tidy mif men (the Catbefrier). still so mods did he dread t that the stebil ; .4 of the Constitution and our esta blished relii(tou wets likely to be endangered by it, taut art eamisderetion meld ever intimate him to MO. MOO- to the odosierissi of Quito:tiles to Parherners.— Viear, hear.)—llle eared not how this sentiment might be characterised : it might he called iutole. rant—but he was iwtfectly satisfied in his owes mind that there was nothing intolerant in his the positiesi. He was CliatitVlHlSilig SO guard over the church and the constitution, and he would desert hies duty if he meld he intimidated by any idle empty words which Gentlemen might think proper to emphry.—/ Hear, bear.)—There was an old maxim, which had existed long before he was horn, awl would coritione to exist hung after he was laid in his grav e , that no wise statesuesu would admit mess into power who from the nature of their religion, must, if the y act consistently with their principle'', wish to subvert that power. ars there been any alteration in that church, which they consider paramount to all others? No;. this pitmen'% has never been departed from, and if you raiser the professors of that relogion to iron' its that House, you will soon see those max ims revived, which they exercised when they load power. It has been said that the numbers con 'sever he so great as to jts.tii)r the fears and the dangers which lie hod &embed. To this point he most earnestly prayed their attention. He would ask, would the numbers ever be so small ay not to make an impresstnn ou the decisions 4 1 : that Howe ? He was of course *ware there &told not be a majority. The Protestant boroughs Of En gland and the Protestant counties would re tire Protesstmis, hut a large proi,ortion of the po rridge election in Ireland would very soon fall into the Innate of the Catholics. l'lre Catholics were &very day increasing in 'wealth, and connexions. Illod eonrideretion„ end must met) 11 , C0018 a noel lionterous body. He would wish to sheti how showy dad gradually the veil hat been withdrawn that lips covered the demands of the Catholics. In 179$ . Se elective franchise was granted to the Catholics. Then the Noble Lord opposite (Lord Castle. itagh) was in the Irish Parliament. Petitions were Liesented front the Catholics to the Irish House et Chilieons, which were received with a very ill grace., 'hey were considered so offensive as to be treated with the greatest contempt, upon which delegations cause over to this country from the Catholics. It hap, Feud that at that period the country was its it state of considerable agitation. Politiesl divisious existed with respect to the French revolution, and it was considered advisable to do every thing to unite the %Periwig interests. He was inclined to. think that the urgency of the moment induced Nic t Pitt and many others to grant tome thus they , should hove done at other timer. But they it was considered an ultimate concession, that it would close the doer on all other demands, and in us short time afterwards he was surprised to hear still further claims denewided. " Oh," said they, "yea hive granted them one step to politic a l pos t er in extruding the elective franchise, and you should go oue step farther, 81111 grant them twat. in Par. liamcnt. Ile did not mean to charge Gentlemen with a wish to subvert the established church in Irelsod ; but there has been a principle laid down by most of the accredited wri•ers on the subject, that the majority of the people should regulate religion ; and hereafter Gentlemen may turn round and ask us to apply that principle that has been laid down by Prutestaut writers, and then what becomes of your Protestant church?--(Haar, hear, hear.)—But are Catholics the only iser -601111 that have to complain of the Church Esta blishment? He had to remind the Committee of a considerable party in this country, and per haps there might be some persons in that House, who consider it a great burden to support an este- Wish:mut of which they c.snnot approve. if Gen linnet' were laying a trap to repeal the Corpotation and Test Acts, they could not take a moire effec tual mode of doing it. These points were, to his knowledge, discioised three Limn—in 1787. 1789, and 1790; and the second time there was only a majority of 20 agai• at the consideration of their claims. But in one Smoot' after the Catholic emancipation is carried, no matter how small a pro portion of the hundred Lisle glembers are Catho lics. they will make common cause with the Die senters, slid it is quite impossible they can mend more thee one Seesaw. There was another point t o which lie wished to advert, namely, the pro vision for the Catholic Clergy. The moment the circumstance was metitioi.ed, the signal of dismay came from the Itisht Honourable and Learned Gentleman. ' Oh ! don't name it 110 M ; the time will come when it may be proper to make such a proemial ; the first thing will he a mode tate establishment, and be it more or less, it must come out of the revenue of the country, that is. Iron) the pockets of the people of England. lie was surprised at the inconsistency of the princi ples of same of the Gentlemen who advocated this question. Altight Hem. and Learned Grist. (Sir J. Mackintosh.) sometimes 'Woks tie to eulogsze., and sometimes to condemn the 141111 C countries. Austria and Russia he leas sua down as the sup porters of tyratetty and opprersicos. hut on this question be holds them up as models fur our igni tion'''. With respect to the oath, of which they had . heard so much on a former uight, lie would beg to made oat against the Catholics t On ate ermine,. it ma atitusiykrlged that their cooduct was alto gether Fmt*worthy ; by their beutty eo-opevation the late age had been brought to a glorious crin clot:Mo. He had already spoken ~spun the aefety with which they might be silaiitted, and he thought it impossible, from the limited number, that any danger ishoeld really result; it was sagsos ithle that when admitted to the House they would combine so closely and move so uniformly that they would. from their close adhesion, be rlaagereess. Some would doubtless be found sin one side of the Moire, and souse on the other. All the feels which had been expressed he considered as entirely ground less, though with fear it was impossible to argue ; if soh-hied iii our place it started up in somber, and nothing but experience could subdue it. Would not all England rise against any thing like a Ca tholic Lague? and could they so little rrepeod ors themselves as to for granting what was right, hot they should hereafter be naked to do what eras wrong t The SPIRAIMR said, he should confine himself, in the observations which he was about to make, to the amendment which hail been proposed. He admitted that exclusion could mit be juetifieil with out 'Mega-ate neets-ity. The frainertof .the. jirll had admitted the principle of tsclusioo, as, to cer tain offices. Ile did aunt refer to it to (*mute it ; out the contrary, he felt that it was orce-sory, and therefore justifiable. If jratousy lac rightly enter tained with respect to the adniission of Catholics to the exectiiiou of the lamp which regarded ercle mastics, matter*, then he said he iiimt also he jealous of admitting them to u panicipst in the framing of those laws. The ineaoiag of the 'sort' " permauent," in the pre:amide, enema no thing, but that the law was to last whilst Parlre nierit and no litioger.—(Hear, hear./ — Much difkrerice of sentiment prevailed as to the &tiger. The Hon. Member who *peke lost s poke slightingly of di-tent dangers; but surely he would admit that the House ought to take the longest view passible, for when the danger was arrived it would be too late to remedy it. The Honour able Member for Cage Cas , le conceived there would be great danger, whilst the lloit. Mem ber who spoke last etiteitaisted uo appreheission whatever. They were (he must be pardoned for so saying) both speculations, end he would rather tntet to the security of the law than frost to chance.— (Hear, hear, hear./—The Honoorable Member for Bramber said, that if the restrictions were taken off* the Catholics, the result would be that they would have • free intercourse with l'rotesweits, anti mawy would be converted. But its this the Hon. Member argued as a good Protestant who thought the superiority of his faith only need he examined to be proved ; but the good Catholic might also say, if he were once admitted, all the Pneestetsts would become true Calltoltes.—( 4 luogh.)—The great object which he hid in rising war to express the difficulty he had to reconcile that jealousy which was admitted as to the execution of taws, with grunting them a free participation in elle framing of them ; but lie must say that the difficul ties were increased, in consequet.ee of the alterations which had taken place its the Committee on Priddy eight. He had heard much discumitiot on the' out hi. If they both meant the motives some had argued, he would ask them, why make any alteratiou ? If the alteration meant any thing, he would mg, why Mitigate a more rigorous oath uo the Protestant than oo the Roman Catholic ? He did not Onset it was any breach of faith for the Committee now to consider of the amendment of the ..000urtable Member (Ir. Baukes), outwithstauding the pro ceedings of the former itight. He admitted there were malty officre from -which the emit°• lies were excluded tip which they might with esfety be admitted, it was not therefore the alter ation of the oath to which lie objected, but to the interpretation put upun the oath. Referring to the three points to which Mr. Calcraft had reduced the CFleslloll US to the public opinion, he 'treed wilt, him that there never would be a case where the deliberate judgment of Parliament would not be the deliberate opinion of the people. With re spect to the luct of the llotoau Catholics, it trust be granted it had been such as to monthe them to every thing which could with safety he granted, but oil his conscience lie believed this could nut be granted with safety, and, as sus honest man, he was therefore bound to vote for the amended clause. -.. - \ owillifer, hear.)--Looking to our history, he found that no close was proscribed, but that it grew out of • eiteuinstince which affected all Eu rope, aril which changed former lines of deterred ti .. , and separated people from themselves. lie looked to Europe, and found, that whatever the form of gnvrrsiment might he, with the exception of Spain sad Pantxtgal, that line of demariemitme hail been obliterated, and he found it still existed amongst ourselves. Our boost was. that we lord • se eireer portiere eff regetsiteri Ebert" , times the other nations of Everette., and such a quality of rights that any *tun might rise to the faigheee offices, but he wee et • hew to reconcile that elm ructer with the exclusive principle, and he cone leered that he looked •staioteily to this ea the time. when the Catholics might be admitted with misty to every right. At the time of the Reformithiri the Catholics were oreslisid by die majoire.y, -oho were then of a different faith, and since them they had been mrerlaid by Acts of Perliament, but till the time of Quirks Mall the danger was stated to be from fureigo interference. What, thou, mew there to justify the retaining • restrietiests "rhea the. moots on which it woe fosulled had vanished Whets the Catholic Commoner. were tided's! from Parliament try Elrzebeth, it was not thought necessary that the Peens should be excluded shw a ere the ()sleets bad other means of satieffying herself of their loyalty. That plainly 'hewed it was not dog ma, it was not doctrine s t orms( which the exclasioni was pointed. The Peers weir under the Queeis'es mediate 'revenant oberrewitae, but over the multi tude she hail no one+ supervision. Out of the try years that the Catholic, had been tutu 'ed, sleeve half the time Catholic Peers est in Podia ment, awl the religions reason was not assigned till the 30th of Charles 11. when for the first issue Perm as well as (.oramoners were earluded. He would ink far a plaits reason, if ally could be given. why Catholic Peers could with safety sit front the Ist of Elisabeth to the 30th Cheats 11. and why it sh o uld for the moment he would put the COIMUOIIt ro and beg to Ise traoinctly answered this question ' In the at omaloos .tars of our law, the exclusion of the Commoner was only an exclusion by possi bility, as though every Catholic might hope to be elected. all could not ; but its the ease of Peers we went much farther, awl absolutely ismoalleil their birthrights. But as regarded Peers, we Jul not follow op our own principle, they were still as good Peers as any who eat.—(Herse, Lear, Ann.)... They still were surremoned, as wars the case on the trial wlech recently had taken place; they then hid their postage to psy, but could not come.. Of Commoners it was tied that the doers of the House would he besieged by deem. The boo was in the lobby, and if they opened he would reefs 1w; but could the saute danger be said to be dreaded from the seven Catholic Lords ? Cook, any danger be possibly appreliesided from that number. or were the Howard. and Talbot. so degeuerated that they could not now be admitted with safety ? As to the Commoteere, whit were the dangers to be apprehended ? From their num ber. and from their eonibiniug. But how hap pened it that teach a combination of sectaries. hid sieve, beeu seen He had never observed arty symptom of it, and never knew whether be sat down by a Churchman ar a Disseenter.-- He would grant that there would be a hundred Ca tholics gaits achnierion to 'be House, with the (hypo 'items to congregate whistle had beeu assumed, and be would also grant, for the aegunsetet'il sake, that they coalesced for the purport of uverturuing the Church Boteldielement. How would they gee about their yak ? There were but three ways by which it could he done—by she force of resew by number', or by force alone. IYould the elo quence of the 100 Catholic Members persuade the Home to substitute the Catholic religion in lieu of the- Piotestant ? As to number', the argument for that (timer stood ass very weak grounds,. The lion. Member who quoted Archdeacon Paley • few nights ago, sheered how a small number might be dangeroms. He had read au opinion of Paley. which be did not opposer, and he said, " if you argue in that war I shall throw your work in the fire." Bat in this mode of couviticiug the Honourable Member was outdone by Henry VIII. who disputing with the school -master, atid hay ing the worst of the argument, threatened to throw his antagonist in the fire. From pure force he apprelwitiled no more danger than from the others, but if we really were afraid, how in she name of reason tin) we protect ourselves now against it ? If there really were danger, the way to meet it would be to admit she Catholic into the House. It was true that there was no lute eft in the empire which was not virtually represented there, but it would be r.ither t. o much to say that the Catholics were properly represented, when the first proceeding of a Member entering that House was Ins taking ass oath in which he professed to abhor and abjure the doctrines of the Catholic These was a danger which was not guarded against—they might hove a Catholic Speaker; they might suppose • great number of Catholics to be elected, and tote one of their own body into the Chair. Looking so that palladium of the Con stitution, she Act of 30ile Charles I I. for a remedy. it would be seen that It mono* tire oath alta t attl taken by the Members standing round the' table— (SOO Members standing round the table ! 4 —the Speaker in the chair.—The Speaker might 'heti point out the physical impossibility of complytug with the Act, and the mile would hot be teikeu. He did nut point nut this as • circoneetuheo very likely to occur, but only as one other anomaly to be ridded to the inlincrolle others already noticed. He resussided the Hume of the concession. winch had been made to the Catholics already, in respect to the appointments its the navy and the army, and the harmless results to which those concessions had led. 'They were first admitted its the morel ServiCe. This degree of iudulgeuce naturally led to • simi lar claim on behalf of the Catholics serving in she army. The questiots was agitated in Parliament, and the point for decision was, whether the navy should be brought back to the condition of the army, or the army be equalised is point of privi lege with the pussy. The *Motu of Parliament prevailed, and Catholics were admitted to com mands in the army equal to those to which they were eligible its the navy. Was nut the country as Wren Lew, wee uut the Pat listuent es confident of then se curity to al I the institutions and establishments,se be fore the period of that concession ? But let the re. Mr. CANNING agreed that the present was the must important pant in the question ; at was that which, if withheld, would take away the value from much that was conceded. He agreed also with the Right Hun. Gentleman (the Speake►) that those who took the side which be did had no right to call upon she Committee to negative the amendment !proposed in consequence of any previous vote to which they have agreed. He conceiveil that no thing had been conceded either in fret or in orpi ment which required the present point to be debated by itself un its own merits. To guard himself from misrepresentation before lie proceed. ed, he begged to offer the tribute of his sincere ad miration for the generous candour with which the Right Honourable Gentleman had stated the opi. nion which belied forined,and which, having formed, it was his duty to deliver us he had done, and by which it must he acknowledged, whatever might be the fate of the question, that he had contributed Iris full share, not only to the elucidation of it, hut also to the temper with which it was carried on. For the full understanding of the question be should divide the coo►iderat of it ; First looking to what he considered to be the claims or the Catholics to seats in Parliament, nod secondly, what were the dangers. re4l or imaginary, to obstruct the conces sion. In speaking of the claims, he begged to he understood as speaking of no natural claim be longing to man as ►nan, but those claims of civi lized society, which were subject to the Listing control of the State. He admitted the power and control of the State, but the question here was, whe ther there was neceasity. Without reverting so any wild theories of natural right, there cestaitily did brlosig to wealth, to intelligence, to station, sad to power, the s►ght to be candidates foe those objects of political ambition which in England had for ages past, and be honed would for ages to come, continue to he, a seat in th■t assembly which governed the councils of the nation. To exclude positively from that high object of laudable non was, he would not say that which uo necessity could justify, but it was an exclusion so severe that the necessity ought to be too clear to be m6talteu. whether Gentlemen knew.how oaths ace sonte- explained away ? He would ghse anlastatice oath thia heshould issta time% was lep deur misunderstood, bet the esplawdloo of which stated in the Irish Pweliawswisl is 1793. 'Fords wen these—" And I do solemnly swear !I exercise any privilege I uow do or may here-