The Statesman. — London, England, 1810-05-04 00:00:00

that :louse. [llear.hcir !] Again, he had read in the newspaimrs, that it had been stated, that the Opposition had blamed the Ministers for nut haring called nut the military force at a much ear. tier period. - It was impossible this could have been said, hecause nothing h:ul been further from, their inventiwei or eXpresSiuos, than a recon►tnee dation of calli.:g out the miltary, where the civil power was Ile had also seen in the newspapers, that some Members of the Ilouse held oat that there was no public principle in it, that the lolly object was plunder, lie. IS was impossible they could have said this. 'lt liras Mu. possible that three or four Members costa:lolw said that they were the only honest men its the, House, and that GM) Members were all rogues of tilt, most notorious description. Gentlemen ought not therefore to be rash in taking the statenientie of ttevrspapers as a foundation for !bar 'ripened , . As to the Peritiois the House opts to receive it A bly to it• owe usages. .-!-; • ... , I agreeably - - . Mr. WARDLE, adverting to the allatibm.ssf the Right Him. Geitt'ocean , who spoke hist+ to words wed by him at-the haw Westminster meet. log s declared that ho made ao observation upon that er any other occasion which ho was nut !oily prepared to avow and to justify. He certainly did say, as he Still thought, that that House had nu right to commit for a libel, as Sir Francis Bur. Jett had asserted and maintained by argument...-. But he did not say, isecaase• he did not think so„ and he was at a loss to know in what publication tech a sentiment was ascribed to him, that the blioistetial party were better than that to which the Right Honourable Gentleman belonged ; yet be could not help expressing his snrprixe that,' after all that Right ilosioarable'G'entknian and his" friends had said about thcalisconditet of Mi-' ulster., they should .proclaim their readiness to, tally round .those very Ministers upon the° com mittal of Sir Francis litirdett.• Such a sentiment naturally provoked his censure; and he did com bine with that censure what ho really felt, that it was a matter of indifference to the country by •which of these parties that Howse was governed. Such being his opinion, lee thought it his duty to 'declare it at a Meeting of )lectors , of which he 'inns one. Bot he did so without any disposition lilt °timid the Right Honourable Gentleman or any • Other person. lie did so in the discharge of a ''duty and in the exercise of a right which belonged to him as an Elector ; which duty fie would never ;decline to perform ; which right he would •never allow to lie dormant upon any similar occasion...-. 7Such occasions would, he hoped, frequently cc. — our. linked bethought they could out occur ton frequently, because it was for the .betieftt of the people to hare a• requent opportunity•of express. • ing Sick sentiments, and fur the beneet of that House also to have an opportunity- of knowing 2 ' !host sentiments. The more frankly tense send. 1 • .` atents were capressed, the nosfc he •shoold approve of them. It Was• therefore hu approved of the Petition frost the-Eteetora of- Weatininstem, and ' • it was therefore he approved of • thii Petition under coniideratien, 'which he hoped thill y Allouse would 'out be to minify -at to reject. • Mr. PONSON Eit f, that:* had seen the pintieitceat ivhialiktheßight liOttinsiable Gentlemen disavowed in several of the newspapers. • Mr. WARDLE observed., thit he indstotiensi •• Ochs sentiment ascribed to him in anyoewspapee„, end - flaticd the tight Honourable Gentteusau was {Seders Mistake. • •. Mr. i'ONSONBY deflated that Ito repeated nothing but what he hatead. Sir J. AIISTRUtiIER urged the • opieloat 'which' he bid 'before eipreand that the "louse uusht to isi• the privilege* et which some men • would deprive • then, aK tiiiir authority .would ' tease. Ai to the-Miniiten,• he did say un a former t. occasion, that' if they had an hereditary permaneat tenure of their offices, he would Mill maintain 'them against the prineipits of those who contested • the' virile& of that House. For certainly, if • 77 ' thetiestion MOO put-to him, Whether he should aiipport • !Wee -Ministers, however unfit for their , • " Offices (mid of slat unfitness ho was fully per.• _seeded), qr - Content 16 the direct overthrow of the Conslituition, he could have •little hesitation in de. tiding which course to- take, If there were no • "other alternativerthan that Of supporting such Mi. • ilisieri•witti all their inefficiency, or exposing the etsuntry 'to the danger of rerolntion, he believed :there Were few rational men who would not con. cut With trim in defending the Government even 'under their administration. • 'Mr. W; SMITH regretted, that agreeing as he 'did with the good intentions of the petitioners, 'and also of several Gentlemen around him, he • I shutild differ from them foto ado, as to the means of carrying that intention into effect. He could ' not agree that the House was hound on the grotind• ',"-; of consistency, stated by an lion. Gent. (Mr. Ward), to receive thin petition, because it had re. 40 • • caved thb petition of the Westminster electors. FOr theme contained nothing more than an ex. pressiod of disapprobation of a particular act, and a request for the reconsideration of that act, which the petitioners were 'entitled to lay before the House; • but the other, namely, that molar discussion, he conceived to bo peculiarly offensive, and his objection to it, he confessed, to rest upon the imagination, - that it conveyed an intended in. - ,suit to the House. He' should, therefore, op. .• pose its reception. It Was - not in fact conceived:l in the terms, or draws top in • the spirit of a Pa. • titiott. For instead of asking, or even return. mending, it dictated authoritatively to the Roam, The case between Sir Francis Burdett • and Ant '• Douse was said to be "at present tub•judice. If was to be submitted, it was understomi, to the investigation . of to' Court . of La*, and did it be. come, was it decorous in a party professedly ; corn. plaining to that House, `to pronoisoce not a mere •;)inion two,' i the question, but.a most authoelta. • . tire decision. It was in feet iinpusibk to mid 4 this Petition attentively, without seeing that it weal t.. intlecorous—without feeling that it was the ()lint of the parties by w hoot it was drawn up, to try to what extent they could contrive to o ff end the . . that - the implied ill —he felt him. File , twee been a representatt could re )hls any sock )tintatt , rioithe h was fur , _ .. hat 'wet impute' tional measure. Ile Wee •evrrt tt slaty should,. on this ocension, impel hits .47crk reeiteeny pewits whom he reapectud, ;: ittll„hk, differed from them only as, to the meets, they em, pilled for carrying their objeit. It had been of. ten ohserred. and with justice that it was ueces irgrY 111 4' the ,Prescrinition- of the Liberty of the 'Press to guard against its licentiousness ; and why s not A apply t h e same observation to t h e r i g h t o f pe. Atiosting, that in order to ',preserve that , right it was accessary to guard Against any licentiousness i lia its exercise. The Petition under consider ation 'ho conceived to be a most licentloos exercise of !that right,. asid therefore he Mustpppove its ethnic. ;shot. lie must oppose it, because he : could not sanction any proceeding calculated to encourage that.sort of commotion in which the middle men, like himself—in which those wh o wished to keep aloof fronton extremes, were sure to be trodden wider foot. He was an advotate for moleration, to,which this:Petition had no more tegard ,!ban it: titan likely to Meet with in the scene 0f,,. • .nit 4,4: a ft had alluded to. It could not be sum _ ilistAts ,the tote he meant to pronounce upon th eibjeat;, .w aq influenced. by the. consideration that the.' Chancellorof the. Exchequer took the same count' *His vote was the remelt of a thorough convictions , :whichins rather **trod would very seldom incline to vote, with that ;tight Uott. Gentleman. Passing •fruat,tki, leyle ir the Henourahle Member adverted -to the observation, .oT IT Hon. Gentleman (Mr. AP/Rolle), with regard. to the.conduct of his side isf the House on the committal of Sir F. Burdett. : Raw that side of the House could have exulted in , the committal of the lion. Baronet, while no less than In of that side voted against it, was a spe. ,cies of paradox which. he confessed he Was un. able to comprehend. That the tiou bunt lost much of its weight ind respectability in the public *aistitnation, and throbgis its own conduct, the liouourable Member conceived it absurd to deity. But still be must be excused, if he. thought i* it should not give. pit any part of the weight Miff re:. spectability it ,retaiued. That it should tenacious. ly maintain its privileges. Although he was satin. fled that the house required refortn—altloorgli he felt that that reform must, and he hoped wbnld ere' lone, take place, yet it should be recollected, that if any of its privileges were now lost, it might burl .found ext ) reinely ditficult to regain them, ere!' after ' 1 the reform was accomplished. . Therefore the 1 House should not, because it had committed some breaches of duty,. be guilty of a stilt farther . bleach by-surresidering its pririleges. br neglect. Ingle transmit those pejvileges to their successors, fur the benefit of thu people, to whqse, and for whom, they were necessary, as they- 'would be found, particularly in, the event of retor t s. For this reform. heatis)eusly.looked. lie had been a pctitioner,la fact, to that house, and he would, petition (or it 'agent and again, if necessary. Ho' Would, of posttest : Mr happy to encourage all thiwe oho professed, to support that :desirable measure, in any application . they thought proper to make to that House- in Its ;favour, provided, such application . was -coughed is decOrous and peoptr terms. But the Petition was not of that character, and therefore he could not defend it. 'Tina.Petition, however, And.all the ether precis:J..; Jogs which he, in.couimon. with all reflecting men,. lamented, was to be. traced to that unfortunate , *vote (for the committal of Sir Francis Burdett),. which he had endeavoured to prevent, and which he never could •Tosse to deplore. What:- ever indeed might be the termination of this coa t troversy, be must. ;toils regret that vote for thit consequence which it, had already.produccd. But this was not the only subject of his regret., ilsi could not help thinking, that if any of the several propositions for reform, submitted. to that Howe had been adopted, the character of the 'House would - have bee.o more respected through the coop. try. The bodr of the people would have revs., rented its proceedings, wooldbeve regarded it as. their real representation, as the guardiarr ,of their rights, and, therefore, would bate cense forward to support it in the stsertionof its privilqes.. But chow different .were the -circumstances:at . .pretient, Owing to the stateond conduct of that.flonse. Ile was aware that io the lauguagnhe.held on this oc. isasitio, he wavlikely to offend 'both *ties ; but :au .consideration. whatever, much less the • fear of . giving offence, should over proverit him' from per. forming his ditty., . . . 1.. I Mr. M. FITZGERALD (of Kerry) thought it the ditty,of the.people i .io their communications kno that Haute, to express 'their -opiniuni.freely t ' and the duty of that House to receive ouch coin. 1 innutications. If a petition were to-be rejected, ‘aserely upon thuground that It contained Aim I . 'live language, Oat It was exceptionable in its, 1 terms, in the opinion of the A dministratien of the day, which was generally interested in oppos.. ing redress, what dangerous „jinpression was it .likely to make noon the - Mind of the eointry 1- 7 ,Would it notiodeeti serve to induce,an apprehen sion,. that the exercise of the right of petition was become comparatively nugatory, depending alto. gether upon the will of the Minister ? lie con. curred with the last speaker, in Lamenting the cause of all this discussion. He lamented the un. Wise policy of committing Jones.; and . the more so as be was of opinion at the time, and remained so still, that.that House had not the right of cont_ mittal for a libel, either from law, constitutive, or practice. Ile was also persuaded, that the House would-have beUer cousulted its dignity lay declining to notice the case of Junes; and he wai l equally persuaded that it would better consult not, only. its digssity, but its duty and interest, in throwing sit impediment .whatoyer In the .vVity petitions OttflrltNiellit .40 11 • Illt:4,101-.1/41101tkIRIV r, 7 0T:7:0: r : ~e o . copulae of tomtits a jest their Itepresents. Constituent* Sir F lei was justified who, thought so condemn the pest. although he mist the terms in which ' buiever, Wei' SU Id fee t himself jtis ark'd ifP-AU.9l4lltlCe,that orAnny other Petition. i ) — 4 .elleitun4e..rOtutd, -If sdi, were admitted to, ://lA4l..weekl„. it :)liSa li? vibe filinbter 'Or tI mp t , most isKfuturti; el ..noiteulted upon every r Ittltißfir,il.lPßlN the divti etlreni of words,' before tal i it was preseined," gienise ; and if it cam gleit l lo qt Aeritgrittatic b ull used any 'exploit tliFfpOitnAtU Aintsilliiiince oaths/001d be rejected. whet' eentt . olto , wosi .446614 of a public natty* .410 1 4p:Petition.be losagliteskiwilieb would not iiecnOtir Jilt* At . ground of 'objection were este blisheo o ,llptcatted st - prin the House to reffect • riiittilY , itiokn e ttit littler ? s and 'he would also upon . anjhustoratan Gentleutan on . the • to bench (Mr, u Ward,le), to reflect a little Vpois assertion, that all the Gentlemen on his side of ti, (louse boiled the committal of Sir Francis Burdett Was it possible that' the Honourable . Geottetni could after any tefiection feel himself warren' in such au assertieu ? .: He was really at a loss divine the cause of thellOnourable Gentlein objection to" that side ,6t the House, ai sere Gentlemen en that side , had on many oiccasi giTen the liotioarable Gentleman the lobstne support, had, indeed, generally acted with li and particularly on the very occasion, when, cording to the Honourable Gentleman's wu they 'exulted in the failure of their own effo Did the Honourable Gentleman objtet to o the of the House g ee which those Gentlemen sat was It his ilet ee to peril them to the other side What . was t Atontiorable Gentleman's wish really coos il ctikeonfectire, t roe if it was to inferred trOiallie censareheAatlveferred to, it no foun t iliktlincili z Oasen or joklipe. Itevertii the ei_etletli hettitp the Huussl l ,, t tlis Right Honk elptt'f.ett(lettlattso4}etist.teeesofid not help thi i iug ayiliiiiit t e're bad . ,on, cif, occasion, and tom 're . et 'etinits,', betrayedatiseir dispositien uudeitaine 'life ;tight et,iletitiuning, by dan the slit:7 . 4_lllllw, pfve le.".4„ l lpcklitig the pression, Of tllcyr oikilklug , .:_ bi4hve it was 1, teeted tl;pkt thinejscre,..fithat hilitiatets who acts insulter! (he of m t. - p v icioo upou its •Pctith , withrCiiiiii`lis the — disgraccful,conventlint of Ira, who trilled 'With a petition front the respectable body upon this.catiject of the Walehe- OM Eitputlition, he ;paid lkarilly think that a doubt could remain as to the,43114.4140n of such Ministers, as to their hostility to the right of Perititining. With regard to the alarm whiCh some Gentlenten profess*l to . feel under the present ciepimstild6es'• . . . o f the e'i s iinitcy, it was petty Obsiont that Pete was .tip grotiikfiir alaily fi t ! to any change in (het; House frit popular entiviachinent., • No, i4'iteto,. there was nothing ,of - sletneettiel• exhibited iii WC character . tti lance any *iickenlettlielen.. lf . iliete were any change tots, apprehended friim - foteign itithien.ce t itliet,titielirteentt4; to. 4u foohedfo'r friri' P4,l llll o' l ' ilittzrposition. That ititerposilioulitif u n for. tuusielY but tonlittle tteictiltin. that 4 . 4 eta, l4)'? ,II: / could, of course, but'llt. ' ; Oil! wtta. th e.pun;! lic•feeling: to see it dinStiiish'. ...to,' litya it Ono: iutely , slighted, or even titian -, ht. ' , It. svit . iiirel' ,ly st su ffi cient puisisitment fur the peo p le to itet!ini . coniptyink: with their roquvat. without ,the %gra... eatio.o .40', that Ftlgesti: where, 4rel . ' rectilit'ed 411 ` 2 the Hi :Thli, petits to that which, tircadir done. ti con eluded :Onsult Its Wile tietitioeV . 440 Just eutr.',, Merit :don. lin that it war of the I pet he' sea. 0111011, pointing Out %voiding an) :li they ought to that iioust Mr, was no Pei eat with exit tg. He shot petition mere a, which might appear diarespectiu. out wne, he consi dered the entire language of this Potitioti, he felt' himself compelled to ,reject it, If they did not' reject the present l'etitien, 'he did not see how they could, ever in futere reject any Petition on the ground 'of its being couched in disrespect ful and offensive languaee, ...,.Tjto shades of what was offensive in expression ion 194r,sitely iiiiteir ; but it did appear tu. him that, iu. the . present Petition, the object of this Petitioners was. put, poseiy stated in most effeitiive latuppge. The Petitioners might have come forwaeCeind stated every thing' which they tfiusghi, o,per to state in langitage *which: would nut hay() been ~offensive or instill* so the House. Thire . was this.ditTercants • 11411 Ali Petition and the Petitten been re ceived: T bitiadly and dje r egrr , acted .cuvii(a i re i tia t ' of w ex. and pr undeatinkln t tend it; hk,t,blest gait acted-erg , " Pe tition [mum &IN It statailo! else 4olijaalol4; of that 104 text ; t, It -did ~. hlitl. fllesea ' .f,titition Mid. oilaiit,veutity [did a pray' "P'l,oo P°A;,. • , • i• detild tbtararyie taw lit a :, was de. n)leglithat they bad a right of committing. They ••miglir'''ttivilF viltit 'eiht OA °thee occasion:from the 'ltiOettety : sit 't i'U l. ,; jtise, end yet ,it toght happen - that they. ha 4-nut in the 'caw of a libel,' whih.vt'es an .• offSice..that- might be p.. .Meted in - ifit.diti,- coterie dr - lege. ' The 'people might well dailitt'thaillhey had euelvalighte•eed it -should tot* oull'4lVtit they•feed it net, thee' it 'lneistlui aild%rett tlihtt%ttiey haddotte aft illegal Ft. 'ft was slid, by• one of hir•Majesty.it Munaleas o that the 'Worse Most now make. a • stied,_ sr that thantool would be xotreted witlramffertitilistes. Thb however wait stint tie opinion I eat .dilhe elpert•that many other counties . would Mimi ow' this robjeet,. 'whatever' Might bethe fate. 4 the Petition fur MiMeste.. He thought the -Awes would in' nertieiltAS refibre itself' . fromboarieg Pc. tithing siitillavlbe'slibitiincei , by rejecting:the pre. sent 'Petition4 o, oo Die' contrary, the.tnidies at it Weald eat tireiltY-proditee another Casty -Wet. , :int s ''attd an othW1406011!* ' This; howeee4ettwild betntieenddettlet4thi4 ir ltiet'lkifileges of the ildew ' vreregwerietitilibtiritit i iiil - tut if they went est 'serial* atiliciftelllNAihkeitclevitleltridvide rin g whether any real adientip i t acned be ebtaliek by re je c li vs ai is,,,ei l i om j•l; : 4.- v'e * , i . .7'. COlOll4l liroo6llllol4iNeeti ender the iteceisity of rejeetblipthilPetitlitiq'jiti account of she•disre. 4h:caul mid trilfhilillee liteets Jo , whit* •it •.was couched. Ififftetft44Yhtieed kith lite Heeler. able Gentlemen Il t h 4 spoke - lest in • use 11:1Peel, in thinking that whatever might be the fate ef , the. present Petition, there was as probability °teeny ' similar Petitions being presented front other eaten. ties. He was convinced that this Petition sorb, ne means what it profeiseli to be, a Petah)* free the Freeholders of Aliddleser in full .Cointy assembled.. Ile was crinviuted that toot :one. third of the . persons. rho attended -that. Meet ing were ,FreehOlders. . He himself was a Free• holder of Middlesex, but staid iwiy from the meet.; ing fur the same reasons th a t matey other Free• holders did, 'upon the certain cenriction that they could not obtain a 'file :bearing, • and that net hundreds of persons' Would some ' to that Htletiet • , who Were out,Freeholtiers* ' but who were deter. mined to . drown by noise and item's, the exPressioa . of any sentiments but What• titer came to support. ili.vp as sere.th at thb real Freeholders of lifoldieles - would coittiiiite tbernserialiiigeried by melt a Pe. tition ;. add that if the Count y w ere to be polle d, 'nine Freeholders out f e* *Wild v(ite against if, lie, therefore, in• the same of the Oreehmkiele 4 t Nliiitilyses; protested against this Petition,' pot containit4 their sentiments. - •,2 ' - Lord 'A ItCIIIBA Ll3: - 11 AMI I.TON aid n 'think thegaegstage of. the Petition aii diiresprcif o u t l ato make it eceary for the 11.osse (order' if e n m ~Ile had himself stout up fur t he ri g ht of emuntit. vent, . but he thought it perfectly fair a n d allote -I.able for any , Petitioner - to deny the right.• The 1 Word ' Protest' had beetribjected to, att °Pali" to the dignity of thin Howie -• bet he thane' Pet' ' ceive any thing in that ' Weiti . inore. thews solemn &pial. 4 the sight, 'the cure* .Of width' the 7 , complained' of. ~ it appeared to .hita that. 0 00 mitre other parts in the Petition eibLett ecte at•ft offensive, yet or which no notice hod Ihiets, tales. He did not liliefito bear •asserted,:'thiit .411 O l t men Werrecierrtiptitned. that they werithOSS a i sofa. .Ig4te9Mitlttletai' Petition . teemed: hells ' hew iotrodueed that dectrine red 4 s . "e ls i ,ppao *a Piese4a4asion: Ilieletititiseera dire .. P.oiiatnlly ots:tfie tittle 'of 'Pelee lit tot, Mans e, ,, ." e " "'neiabiiiity. tof ifteleposeatattee. lt • ~ii I__ _i i , ... „„,„„acerarilit . . , • . . • - ` igiTAT ES M A?, • ... • ' , , ..., ,Inlit , „ ,;0' _ ~.I i AL rejection sittiefelition Mader discialisni omiiminiti t who were cepable my wish to narrow the right of petitioaing fedgiumwmKu the conduct of t that no such wish could be impute( to . tiveu.,,, Xa *lt mow, 0 his Cc sr the twenty.sbryeandurios which.habsd lb. , Ma letter, as osomose r D p resent al Ive of he** ii that iloile, he disileg t i. ' ei rots *vie ilium tier to his ctimititt as the best defence against. and of ' ffleont, Wu' eon d not I it imisisiaties ; abin'the aiseiso . uf tlist•pe2 do - o tt clar.• • op, a h a d aus l ulaird . asajoik . kilyitgi)44llo i t °urea' thas . lst OA iroC like thl him to say what 'was 'uvula). or coltiltto. was. Arawss,,lspi Titit, hoi measure. lie "WO liorry that' itileeitik if gioand uptanich:Alioneult . . . ou Of rofusiog even to liste" • to` ,that yi " it. se t 0 .lu thi li cue, tia , litcrely requt Noose to re=consuler. i . .proesmdlugs. tie° merely called spots , Uoule .to d ch, .with steivt i llas Wil . il ) lt. had a c. T i lt)) ltig i i otsoira 'entlerna led 11,la exhorting the . maid,,to con digialy, 0144ut t tilty It sing ! ' th e pc tn. gotta it *Nit It i i ( asouttinta and jto ring .setAiblgibiVe IN ,VAntAt MI ectio q l / di. trivltliNNel4' eir . atift,iait ) stated, r kii 0 4 .'6 , ili t 0)01:44! e'Cti" illo9 'lrt*fr-relkoNM,o9,pl; ' )7 of t I\l4 s asthicltßitOrita rhgslifahl • Ifil thus_ j) :••10.ihifIlilitithe 5 fhe. gip cty of a r ilictiduriatit 4 1 1 ..8 1 40* V if! whiff Iht -W,*trocekirls - th!rir li ty )Iftatious i 4 0:At . ''‘. '''' .., . I. l ' Hr. IV iiH‘Fittirelit C0i1 9 1 3 , Mitt there son atiriiilyoi .. 44,.tow.himsar: to tre rani - 4440: *sir of petitionin )uld hu vesreign4lija *to reject any rely from an VoMiaertent, expression ~t.....,...... Atappane etfut! hut when .Isc mad ew4wedil iiiiiMiddkesex Pvtition. 1 On.ol•WaNdOtiiiiir' which had beets - 'ho Midel,estortottlitotiers slated bids rtg 4 ,- ; )thavtlio HOW '6 ' Commons ac to the isLts t artif Ite n ; manlier of. 1 oppa.lllll4tir It it, 61 vo' i was so clear 1 st o thatiiwilf#lPeciiihlte toisutulcrato 1000 isitAtg . igattilie ' .law, , they I loatitheisuovits siiittiaO., :Now the li iirtr m Westiniatee Alit Ektis :40 that leni iilaota 4 iseoes' up 0 c ' f ' aed We Virk, Wed ''' iii. ?: !tititi ~. ' e 66 x passion(' e, of 4140 1 , taii i itili l hoen Tiolsti d ; Dot stlifitak' 010iiiii, as the N otitioo ditl.?' 'Et ;irsiii .trwa that thi I Dation - wade 4 to, the techOic44 Atsos owes, selt . ,oh ~ thi: Westminster POti ..,.. bot . iste* , : i ststlll, l ,....tostitler. • !smell . il ist ' ht . oirl7geld.(Mr. Fitzgerald) who now n . r a. at obitily...,etiWrpd . the present Pettlioli F. Ike . hi, "i!lt thinnealion of the Westminster p 4 . % 0 - o - in' AlielisOtiatit.sv *Atint extremely doubtful, au in I Mat Utlitga i Yla a srelbpreponderated ht favour I,i A'. 'id reSiitrat.. A s this had been hie opinion 0 eat ' that occaska, he diknot sec how he could no , 1 it talky phaigehli.Mimity's \Holsters with wi s ht n a t a i t refinkthe44l44at petitioning, whet s th ey h a us- edhstadd tO . ,rekelie the Westminster Pattie, on. .whist4l/alll"Cliea in such Jaugitage ai to h oil; matte 'tie lOW . ' -ifortoorMia-Getaatenton t i • M 4 doubt wheite r.it (night to be .rtkeeivetl or Rut. Ft sty felt himself obli , ed to vote for the rejectioa o f . 'ore Petition ; and he did so witlethe less seluctaae t o. as there was - nothing its it %Mei!, might not a t a f dot'? ture time be stated to die [Lithe la plain va u l t y,. i.--L tiosable • terms. , tere • Mr. EI.LBON staid, that if he really & m o w ' t be thlat•tbe House was held in such cootioupt by t sti= countrfail it arta , often stated to be, he should f (Se. ashamed to sit there ;.bist he iNai CutlVitiCed tit Call• third was - Ma foundation for the statement. bp i ii+ei i'ertainly not, from . the Ministerial benches I .itie T o e koin were the country to look for any it I the: portant advantages? Was it to the H u m our' lett. Winona who: was in: Oh' Tewer, or any of mitt partisans ? It *Appeared to .him that a party t a rated sprung up in did country, which it was the do is to of that House to crush. He objected tai 't tin's I Petition,. .ais being in many parts false. He a t s , reral in the eteention of the Speaker's warrant that i tious I noceut bluwd had been spilt ; but the loss of etive lives proceeded altogether from the neressity itfp him, servingPthe public peace, and tilt: impossibility , ae. the military bearing any longer the many Wig Ends, ties and' attacks they bad been exposed to. T Forts. mob on the late occasion were, ingenue ris t side more dangerous than that whirivaisotabled MA t, or time of• Lord George Gordon- The mob of tan ?..... -George Gordon had not come, as the late alai It he had dune, with pistols in their pockets, and o be not like them, fire upon the military. U t had the recent circitinstaticm, the conduct of the • • lig to • tary was must exemplary. lie shook{ vote f u r tour. *tint; the Petition, as being nufounded in trait hitrk. Mr. MORRii did not perceive any thing Mt ,d on present petition which was an very offensive On to that the House should reject it. The debate ;p . Wising. Oared to have taken a very different turn kip e ex. what it had taken the preceding night. On t • ratol. last night the 81:1Pction seemed. to.bc merely tha• Mani the power ofV 'hitßitment was denied; but int j i ming, present .. .dean: l ;,tite ehjection was general ' Ctn. the Ithisni(ic i he petition was offmriee. ti s same did tigt iliiiikt,"Viat assitrting that the House had alAhe.• act*'d ebtarartriti hw in a late instance, was de.. "i47 , f7.% - falM 4 swra p. tM) ag this roil 6:ruts. titictly hilt! 4lst not W surely Ileum retitia the prl Their &Ltd tt ite 'erdi • as the theed, mai tusl tta P ri 9P -ter:en Itotift mak h by It sithobt this ti acid IV HOiti the k Fri thit,4 fr 4. alder itrO „ . 11100. 1 11 7 tit ship "1 be was td ii • -time tea Pact took bte Gra deft The and thq sPI I quit teN , 4111 Its Ina 7 lviso At! he • del al S l prell V KO .1i ! 44 IV* 4erail 'sfo row ;vn ~a