The Statesman. — London, England, 1812-07-07 00:00:00

ornt Si'ATESiVi*N. nomm....w IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. claims as arising out of the original agreement, upon —......_ . the faith of which Mr. Palmer gave his invention to DOUSE OF LORDS, Jccv 6. the country. In the reaLsioinii branch of the Roxburgh ease, relative to Af ter a f e w words from the Earl of LAUDER *, fens, the 1.01( 1) CD itNel.:l,l.ol{. delivered his opinion at l b !earth, concluding by a motion to remit th • cause DALE, in explanation, the House divided, lb .c 4to , lie Caen of 'session , with a Resolution of t ..- House, ! Contents for the secoad reading . $6 Not- C ou i ell l S callit4 upon thew to review their judgment, and state specih- i • • • •It cony their reason+ for that judgmeot. T oe ' 4 4 V.% LE r hi • of ihe two- I Majority this Bill, instead of being in the desolate and ahomi. nable state in which it was at present, it would be covered with magnificent buildings. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, said, the late Mr. Perceval had stated at first the same objections to the present plan which they had now heard from the Member for the County of Surrey. . 13 read a third time 't• E se s - s k LADDER, . spoke . support .. - . The Bill was ordered to be . ilea, which was gem! to. 'I 1 TAX ON LEATIIIin. Tae Irish Commits:lone& Bill, and the Chelsea Pensioners' I Bill, mere mut a third time awl passed. , ' Lord LIVERPOOL moved the second reading of morrow. Mr. TIERNEY moved for an Account of the In- Th e En g lish 1•:- ilvent Debtors' Bill passed through a cm_ the Excise Duty Bill. Mitt—. with several auseadou-ats, proposed by the Earl of Lau- , The Duke of NORFOLK opposed the clause in come and Charges of the Consolidated Fund, from deed*. Report on Tharsday. . , . Tim ' 5,00,40.101. Exchequer Bills Bill, the Irish Treasury 1 the :./ !the Bill imposing a tax on leather. He objected to July 1811, to July 1812.—Ordered. Bills' NIB the Newfoundland Trade Bill. the West India In- . impolicy generally of putting a tax on the raw Sir . GEORGE WARRENDER, after some ob servations on the hardship of the tax on the windows sere wise Bill, the Mitritti , c Acid Bill, and the C.anatie Com- ' material of any manufacture. inissinueis' Bill, were read a second time, and committed for I Lord SUFFOLK said, that if proper attention of the lower classes of Scotland, which was extreme. to The Mar w. enis of Lansdowne, after a short conversation be- I was observed in the mode of collecting the income ly unproductive, and expensive to collect, moved for twee,' Ws Lord.thip and the Earl of ilar . rowhy, withdrew . his an account of the amount of that duty up to June motion .er a Copy of the Report of the Commissioners appoint- ! tax no additional taxes would be necessary. cd to enquire into the laws and constitution of Jersey, . on th e : The . Earl of LIVERPOOL thought the tax the last, which, after a few words from the Chancellor g_ristind that Government bed not yet bad time to consider the best existing circumstances admitted of,—the Com- of the Exchequer, was ordered accordingly. Report. LINCOLN GAOL. Earl STANHOPE premised a Petition against the I ther mittee would be the proper stage for opposing the lee 'Aids was objected to by the Earl of Liverpool and the duty on leather. M r. DAVIES GIDDY brou g ht u p a Re p ort Lord Chancellor, it being contrary to the awe of the House to Lord FITZWILLIAM thought an additional duty from the Select Committee appointed to enquire into receive Petitions against Tax . Bills, and the question for the . on leather very objectionable , the state of Lincoln Gaol. The Report stated, that Petition being rmd was negatived. In sarwer is a q uestion from the Earl of Norfolk, the Earl Lord LAUDERDALE wished to know if It was the Committee could not proceed in their enquiry of LIVERPOOL stated his intention of mowing the second the intention of Government to propose any coon- without the attendance of a number of Prisoners in rending of the Leather Duty Bill this evening, and its commit ment to-morrow. etervailing duty on hides and skins in Ireland ? the Castle of Lincoln. They were aware of the MR. PALMER'S CLAIMS. Lord LIVERPOOL was not aware of any such power possessed 6 y the Howie to enforce their at- The Earl of MOIRA moved the Order of the Day, . intention on the part of Government. tendaoce ; but they stated the inconveniences and for the second reading of Mr. Palmer's Compensa- 1 The Bill was then read a second time and commit- expence which would be occasioned by it. The Lion Bill. Ill s Lordship, in support of the Bill, ted for to-morrow. Assizes would come on soon, when the Gaoler could urged the justice of Mr. Palmer's claims, fitunded ' The House having gone into a Committee on the i not be absent without great inconvenience. •On all upon an agreement with the Government to re- Court of Chancery and Court of Appeals Regulationwhich accounts, and from the advanced state of the I • Ceive two and a half per cent. on the Increase of the Bill, public business, they wished to be discharged from Revenue of the Post Office, in consideration of his Lord LAUDERDALE opposed the Report. ,P the duty imposed on them by the House. tnventioe for conveying the letters in mail coaches ; ! Lord REDESDALE supported it. i• -.Mr. D. GIDDY, on the Report being read, tug enntendine that nothing existed to impeach the jus- ! The Lord Chancellor and Lord Erskine concurred:, gested, that to send down Commissioners to Lin tice of these claims, whilst, at the same time, the re- in the opinion, that no man living could go through ; coin, would be a more advisable mode of carrying en trenue of the Post Office had been greatly increased, ' the business of the Court of Chancery and of Speaker I the enquiry. and the public most materially benefited, in the con-' in that House. Mr. ABERCROMBIP approved of the Report. renienoe afforded by the carrying into effect Mr. The other Orders of the Day were- then disposed Mr. HOLME SUMNER said, as the business Palmer's plans. , of, and the House adjourued. would now stand over fur another Session, he wished The Earl of SUFFOLK thought it material toi -- to set the character of Dr. Illingworth right in the the discussion of this question, that the contract be- I HOUSE OF COMMONS. opinion of the country. There was sufficient evi eween Goverument and Mr. Palmer should be pro- ' donee before the Committee to convince them that no The Lottery Bill was read a third time and passed ; the Scotch! aluced. Stipend Bill, was read a second time. money transactions had ever taken place between the The Earl of HARROWBY observed, that no h M;: , . ‘ B h ßOUGH,V t l hee wlshed e t o o n kn e o n sv foroninwitrtoChanc be m cl a t of. to Gaoler and that Magistrate; and he hoped that the Ouch contract existed ; that the agreement with Mr. t thi e ne 'me merchants whose w property had i been seized at Copenha... other gentlemen of the Committee now present would Palmer was in consideration of his services to be af. gen, out of the Droits of Admiralty ? !also express this opinion to the Ilnuse. forded in superintending the execution of his own , were Th ea C , Il e A e e N e g t : I L I k r O e it o o n l i( t l h t E it e Y o n ' CHEQUER said their roses Sir SAMUEL ROMI L LY sai d , th i s was t h e f i rst plan • and that his dismissal, for misconduct, pre- Th e R i t!port of the India loan Bill was taken into considera- time he had ever heard of this charge. lie had never eluded all claim on his part under tint agreement. , tion, and the third reading of the Bil l ti orderenforto. : morrow , s t ate d t h at D r . Illi ngwort h h a d b orrowe d money o f In consideration of the merits of his invention, : ( oTs i e s te da a y ti l oineo he t n he M &u C se nt o ; t i i ; le al:dile:11h. e shou ld allb mit a few • the Gaoler, nor did he believe any other person had 3,0001. a year was given to him, which he (Lord Har- i Mr. HOLItIE SUMNER moved for leaveto brin g in a Bill to 'stated it; but it- was too much, because the Gaoler sooty) considered an ample remuneration. i explain the Exemptions from Toll, contained in several Acts of had been examined on this subject s to ask hint on Parliament, on Carriages employed in Husbandry.—Leave I The Marquis of LANS DOW NE contended for ' given.-13111 brought in and mad a fi rst time, and the second : this ex-parte evidence, to say that no such circum the justice of the claim; and that nothing done in a i reading to-morrow. i stance had over taken place. moment of irritation ought to be considered as pre- I, The 1 7 r o i m sh nm S i tatn p ttee o s n ' l ti l i n t rf ra ad ruc a -i t s h o ir r it time : t ad passed. Bill was post. I Mr. ELLISON said it had been expressly stated eluding Mr. Palmer from that remuneration to , peed till to-morrow. :by an Honourable Baronet (we believe Sir Francis which, from the justice and the honour of the coun- 1 Mr. PARKER COKE presented a Petition from several Ho. Burdett) that the practice of borrowing money of tiers of Nottingham in favour of the Bill. Read, and ordered try, he was fairly entitled, under the agreement made : : the gaoler had even travelled up to the Magistrates. to lie on th e table. ' with Mr. Pitt, in consideration of which he gave to Immure PRISON BILL. j This charge he conceived to be totally done away. the country the b e n e fits of iris invention, and had Sir W. cuwris moved that the Report of the • Sir SAMUEL ROMILLY explained, He had thus produced rho ereatest advantages to the public. 1 Loudon Prison Bill be taken into further consider- ! never accused the Magistrates of corruption, but he The leirl of LAUDERDALE maintained, that i ation. i h a d accuse d th em o f conn i vance a t I m p ro p er prac the agreement in fact made by Mr. Palmer with the Mr. HOLME SUMNER opposed it. Heobserved, `(ices. lie had alluded to the taking money for beds then Gevernment, was, that he was to be Bp-, that by law all prisons ought to be built at the ex. ! —the Resolution of the Magistrates to allot only two poiutcd C.lnieroller of the Post Office, to superin. :police of the Counties in which they were situated ; ' rooms to those who should not eity for their beds, and lend the execution of t.is own plans with the per ' and that the City of Leedon, by proposing to raise seven to those setts should pay for them—and the con. tentage, in addition to his salary, but which per cen. l the sum of 90,0001. for their New Prison, on the versation of one of the Magistrates with Mr. Fine tap depended upon his continuing to employ him- ! Orphan Fund, were actually throwing a great part nerty, who was told he might have a better room if self activ,ly and zealeusly in that superintendence. iof Qat burden on the neighbouring counties. The he paid three guineas a week for it. Ilis subsequent misconduct, which led to his dismis. Honourable Gentleman went into an explanation of After a few words from Mr. BROUGHAM, tka sal, lie (Lord Lauderdale) contended, took away his the Orphan Fund. By several laws the Corporation Report was ordered to lie on the table. right to make any further claims for the per tentage. of the City of London were entitled to the custody i Mr. DAVIE.; GIDDY then moved, that an hum. The Earl of CARNARVON supported the Bill, of the Estates of all Orphans. This sum at the Pe' ble Address be preiented to the Prince Regent, pray. contending that the country was bound in honour to riod of the Civil Wars, amounted to between seven big that he would be graciously pleased to order that snake gond Ow original agreement with Mr. Pitt,' and eight hundred thousand pounds. On account of a commission be issued to enquire into what has been, upon the faith of which Mr. Palmer gave to them the' the losses which the City sustained at that period, at'd now is, the- condition and treatment of prison. edvantsetes of his invention. they were unable to discharge that debt: and Parlia.. Pis confined in Lincoln Castle, and into the conduct Lord WALSI NCH AM said a few words, for the , 1 ment were obliged to grant for that purpose a duty of Magis trates with reference to that County.— purpose of shewilig that Mr. Palmer had every faci- on all Coals and Wine brought into the Port of Lou- Agreed. Thy given to him at the Post Office, for the purpose i don, which duty was continued from time to time by ISLAND OF JERSEY. of carrying his plan into effect. Iseveral Acts of Parliament. Instead of applying this Mr. ABERCROMBIE rose, pursuant to notice, Lord Viscount MOUNTJOV quoted some pas- duty exclusively, to the purpose for which it was to make his motion respecting the Commission lately sages of the evidence in the Report of the Committee, ' granted, the City of London had formerly raised the issued to enquire into certain matters touching the for the purposes of shewing that Mr. Palmer's lute- : expence of building Blackfriars' Bridge on it ; and Island of Jersey. The .Honourable Member went grity was uoimp 'melted. 'they new proposed to raise the expence of the New into some details, as to the origin of the charter Lord EIteKINE argued, that the spirit of the : Prison on it iu the same manner. This was an injus- ' granted by King John, which was confirmed by original agreement made between Me Nmer and ' rice to the neighbouring Counties, who were obliged ' Charles Ir. in 1671, and again by his present Ma- Mr. l'i:t required in justice and honour, that the to draw their Coals and \Vine from the Port of Lon- ' jesty in 1771. Ile stated, that the inhabitants of claims of Mr. Palmer eiould be granted, although ; don, and consequently paid their share of the duty Jersey were apprehensive test it was intended to de those claim, could not he maintained in a Court of ! which would immediately cease on the debt being I rive them of their eletive franchise, as possessed by Law, and that Mr. Palmer's dismissal from office, i ! discharged, for which it was originally granted. He them at present in the mode of electing their jurats. could not affect his claims to the per tentage. ; therefore moved that the Report be taken into fur- ! They complained also of the great secrecy which was The LORD CHANCELLOR said, if the Bill i timer consideration this day three months.. I observed by Ministers as to the object of the com passed its present stage, he should have important I Sir W. CURTIS said, no body of men had done ; mission ; and being left altogether in the dark with amendments to propose i.i its subsequent sta g e,. () e e l so much for the Public as the Cititizens of London. ; regard to what was intended, they naturally feared important consideration arose out of it, as affecting , lie recapitulated the benefits which the County of ! the worst. What they desired was, if they were ac the Post Office revenue, which was the heredita r y Surrey had derived from the building of Blackfriars'. cused of any thing, to know the nature of the accu revenue of the Crown. Supposing this Bill char g i n g : Midge, and the taking off the Toll from London .: sation. Their first wish was to remain as they were, the revenue of the Post Office with 9,8001. a year,' Bridge. The City of London were not only obliged ior if not, to be incorporated with England, governed during the life of Mr. Palmer, and to be consented 1 to keep their own prisoners and the prisoners of the , by the same laws, and regulated by the same institu to in the name anti on the behalf of his Majesty, i County of Middlesex, but they were also obliged to ! tions. Mr. Abercrombie contended, that as a sum who, if Mr. Palmer's life were to last longer than I keep the state prisoners from other parts of the' had been voted for the .payment of those Commis his M iesty's, was th '0 to consent respecting this : country, till they were disposed of by trausportpion ! sioners, Parliament ought to know something of hereditary reveaue of the Crown. He tho ug ht it .or otherwise. 'f he expence for bread, for the last! what they had done. He concluded by moving, that weeld he a very bad precedent, if the Bill was suf- ! quarter alone, amounted to 9501. there be laid before the House a Copy of the Report fered to pass, and contended that Mr. Palmer had Mr. IL SUMNER explained, of the CommissiOners appointed to enquire into the no just claim whatever, having forfeited his claims by 1 Sir CHARLES PRICE supported the Bill. mode of electing Jurats in the Island of Jersey. his misconduct. 1 Mr. SAM UEL THORNTON opposed it. Mr. RYDER objected to the motion. 'He said, _ _ _ Lard REOFSDA LE was of opiuion that the' written agreement between the parties superseded all vrevious verbal communications; and that under that written agreement, namely, the appointment to the office of Comp roller of the Pest Office, with the per centage, Mr. Palmer had forfeited all further claim by his misconduct. Lord HOLLAND observed, that they were not discussing a question of technical law, but a claim upon the honour and justice of the country, for the remuneration of a meritorious individual for au in vention, the advantages of which had been generally felt, and which he bad given to the country under the faith of an agreement with the then Government. The Earl of LIVERPOOL contended that a con tract nev...r was entered into in the terms suggested by the supporters of the Bill, that the per centage was given to Mr. Palmer with a view to his services in seperintendit:g the carrying his plans into execn tion, and tb't by the misconduct which rendered his dismissal necessary, all further claim to that per eentege was forfeited. The Earl of MOIRA, in reply, contended, that litothing had been usged to affect the justice of these . • Mr. COMBE said a few words in favour of the Bill. Sir JAMES SHAW said, the City of London had made a noble usd of their Funds. Within the last 30 years, no less than 120,00u1. had been voted for monuments, swords, boxes, and other honours to the defenders of our country. The House then disided— Fr ohe Amendment of Mr. Mawr . IS Againstit Majority . . yg The Report was accordingly taken into further consideration. The Report of the Moorfields' Improvement Bill was moved to be taken into further consideration. Mr.HOLM E SUMNER said, the ground ofMcior fields was granted to the City of London for the re creation of tke Citizens, and on the express condi tion that it should not be built on. Was this Bill to pass, there would not be a piece of ground within two miles of the Royal Exchange on which a•Volun. teer Corps of 200 men could exercise. Sir W. CURTIS' said, the ground in question had become one of the gieatest possible nuisances. By that while he had the honour of being one of the con fidential servants of the Crown, he had opportuni ties of knowing that complaints were made to Go vernment, and requests made that some important alteration should be made in the constitution of that island. Commissioners were accordingly sent out to enquire into the circumstances; when they returned they made a Report, and upori that Report no pro ceeding had yet taken place. It %Vas still under the coilideration of Government, and he thought the llon.Member would come with a better grace before the House, if he waited till the Government had de cided one way or other. Sir SAMUEL ROMILLY did not think the mo tion of his Hon. Friend premature. • The House had voted money for the Commission, and they ought to know something of its object. Mr. RYDER explained. Lord CASTLEREAGH objected to the prodpc• tion of the Report while the matter was still tub 4utlice. Mr. WHITBREAD supported the motion. Mr. ABERCROMBIE briefly . replied, in which . he stated, that probably, daring the revel!, the Go- - -... ~. is li r i vernment would proceed to make some alterations in the constitution of the Island of Jersey, in which case the subject would again bu brought before Par. liament next Session, in consequence of a Petition that would be presented most numerously signed.-- The question was then put and negatived % *II Lout a division. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved, that there be laid before the Howie, an ac. count of the produce of all the dillei ent taxes for LL, last three years, distinguishing each year.—Orden The Lo'cal Militia Amendment Bill was then re; d a third time and passed. Mr. GOULUURN brought up the Report of the Committee of Sopply. Sir S. ROMILLY made some observations on the magnitude of the sum (30,0001.) voted for the pur. pose of building a Penitentiary House. After some explanatory conversation, the other grants were then read, and the Report read a first and second time. "Mr. WHARTON moved, that all Papers relating to the case of Fletcher be printed.—Ordered. The other Orders of the Day were then disposed of, and the House adjourned. ANONYMOUS LETTER. WIIEREAS au anonymous Letter, under the signature of HONDSTUS, appeared in the STATES* MAN Newspaper, on the 19th day of March last, containing many false and scandalous charges against the Honourable Com missioners of the Transport Board, respecting the treatment ut French Prisoners, now in this country, and for which an ex 4. de prosecution has been commenced against Mr. Lovell, as Proprietor of the STATESMAN ; be hereby offers a Reward of FIFTY POUNDS to any person who will discover the Author of the said Letter; sag, to enable them to make such discavery, the hand-writing may be seen by applying to the Srorssmar Office : or to Mr. Lovell, on the Stare Side of Newgate. TO By SOLD . A WELLESTA.BLISIigII SUNDAY NEWS. PAPER, of Citeltbive Concern. _ _ . For Particular, apply to Mr. Joni.., Bauk..eller. Ni. Newgate•streeS, on to-morrow, and the folio wits day, before-a the hours of N ine in the Morning wail lour is t oe kfieroo. Arr. Mails. Dim - 2 9 O O 1 1 1 1 1 PRICE OF STOCKS THIS OA' AT ONE O'CLOCK. Bank India Bonds 3 dis. 9 per Cent. co.ss 55n Exchequer Bilk 30. I dis. p. 3 per Cent. Red. 56j Ditto 3111. 4 5 pr. 4 per Cents. 711 f (Minium 111 pr. 5 per Cent. Navy SW Consols for Acct. 57 Long. Ann. 141 r Lottery Ticket+ THE STATESMAN. LONDON: TUESDAY, JULY 7, 1814. Dublin Papers have reached us to the sth inst. by which our statement respecting the forged letter that appeared in last Tuesday's Courier, is officially and completely confirmed. CATHOLIC BOARD, 4, CAPTL-STREET, SATURDAY, JULY 4. This Day, a Special Meeting of the Members of the BOARD assembled, in order to refute the foul calumny published in the Courier Newspaper, on Tuesday, the 30th ult. respecting the alleged EXTRA. ORDINARY MEETING of the Catholics of Dublin. Mr. KEOGH, the person alluded to, in the fabri cated Letter (which is stated by the venal Priut to have been received from Dublin), after an able and animated speech, in which he refuted every fact therein stated,' moved the following Resolution, which was seconded by Mr. O'CoNNErt., and unani. mously adopted : Resolved, That the paragraphs inserted in the London Mini sterial Newspaper, called the Courier, of .the Silth of June and Ist of July, respecting a Difference of Opiuitm amongst the Ca tholic Body, as to the Resolutions of the late AGGREGATE Merrtsa of the CATROUCS of IRELAND, are totally PAMIR, acid destitute of any the slightest foundation is f 'cc, and were calca• laced fur the wont of purposes. GEORGE BRYAN, Chairman. TDONIAS DROMGOOLE, Set. Those atrocious frauds daily practised upon the public by the Courier, and other ministerial prints, are enough to distress the moral feelings, and to Isicken the soul of every honest man in the nation; ; they are enough to bury the heart in despair, for ; they seem to be among those sad and dreadful symptoms that precede the dissolution of Empires. If a guilty calumny of this sort can be adopted, as o much state sagacity—what State can hope to j flourish or prosper, which is conducted upon such , principles ?—And if it be not countenanced or con nived at, and let it be hoped that it cannot—if it be no more than the act of a low-bred slave, !'who seeks to gain from bigotry, that which vit.- ttfe denies him, let public reprobation shower down heavily upon his head ; and let the nation, by their contempt and scorn, disown any accessorial concurrence after the fact, with turpitude of so vile a stamp. Men may indulge their heat at the im. pulse of their prejudices, if they will ; but if a Mi. nistry can maintain power by the lies and guilt of a nefarious Press principally—by bribing every un lettered slave they can lay-hands upon, and by thrust. ing into public offices, men who are no more tl.aa the agents of their imposture—if, we say, such a circumstance as we state, should be possible, and should unhappily ever take place—that coun try, which can endure such a Ministry, cannot long escape dissolution. There are symptom of moral decay as plain as any of those which announce the I • approaching mortality of animal life ; but, of all the former, there are none so unerringly significant of what must follow, as to see power maintained by an alliance with open vice, and a nation quiet specta tors of scandalous artifice, and ready to commend it, as a mark of pri;ctical and meritorious dexterity— whenever this happens to a nation, farewell to its greatness—fleets or armies cannot avert its quip.