The Statesman. — London, England, 1822-02-05 00:00:00

ii ... • t . •• -- - and next as to the redectiom of the estimates, They were first to begin with a reduction, of the estimates, emit to carry it to the highest possible amounta- He desired reduction to be proportioned to our means. The answer was, yen bare a great debt, and you nose have a peat Terence to meet it. Rat he most say, that if they dirt n ot compel, by every possible mush a misted,* suited to their exigency, they would. have very little liberty or property left.--(Applause.) Theft' property would be taken both for extravegant• 'eseelliislinsents and for means of inductee. if they ilia not resist this. and compel the necessary reductieo. they would give hien leave to say. that thdy would have quite as oath liberty and 'properly as they deserved.- , IS the Houe,of Commons bad the virtue to restrain the I Government, a great redaction, a very large reduction indeed, would he made. When he was assured by one el hie frilled, that 70 members of that House shared anstieg therneelves, annually. 180,0001. of the public mosey, be mast say that he did not wonder though Mr. Hume, to whom all felt ggeat l'in•Ait") 'sr polotieg out the shameful winner in which the tic messy was wasted ; has when he had to 'urge -taitente is the face of such an assembly. it was that he failed.-(Hear.)--H 5 was a sincere `V Reformer; -(great cheering)-- .bat. of uoisiusity, be refrained from meet eg asaeodssesh bete se it was Dot in the requisition, 44 .1 fume Of Commons became the real 'represent people, holding a se ficiene control over the rse, and' ooedispored to vote ;all, end more Misisters asked, because they theredsu mesh ,Ives--till the Muse was thus reformat,. , in his conscience, that the country mod. prosperity.-(Loud and universal applaise.) millions were mentioned as a sum 'which', reduced. If reduction was not carried stl k extent, this country could net know int - prosperity. They complained that they ineretioe ; but the question was in what were to obtain' ir. (" Reduce the taxes.") .reed with them, reduction oas the only pplause.)-A corn Wished been tried, and 7. If ever be felt proud of a vote, vote he hail given against that measure. . hope relief from that ; he was very Oat nut recommended by any meeting is the Ir. Wrbbe Hall had been discountenaced t. If any of them thought it necessary fallacy of Lis project. let him read his -; or, if they thought that .too trouble. them read Cobhett-the mast ahle and the Training of publications, The Polities! Be. yet not their ideas be distracted en this sub them keep taxation steadily is view, whist. I not reduce. it would SOOO reduce theme... evil under which the country was was excessive taxation. Leeds which had retuned large rents were new not worth , in consequence of that excess of wade" blasted the ccontry.-(Hear, bear.)-Theis wee profit There was nothing for the culti ad. of course. nothing afterwards for `the land. There was a report that the property-tax would 4 .. -(Where is the property ?)-The greet Was, that if they gave any tam to the Ho* they would spend it. They had takes away from them before, and they did very we t. To ma the phrase o( the writer to whom stupefy" alluded, unless they were " horn they would lint agree to such a tax.-(4p -The revenue was said to be a proof of pros- There was partial distress to be sure, but the f revenue was a proof of prosperity. If a came to this country, and saw the distresses, executions, and similar modes of trassferring . would be apt to say, that this was not the country which be bad expected to hod it. ," says his friend, " you have made a greet This is only a transfer of property ; very ible, to be sure, to him from whom it is ' but, avert agreeable to him to whom the made.":--(haughter and applause.)-They ibis the taxation and the revenue, and apply revenue to influence a certaiM. asseuibly would not mention, [" Ali, we know them") .enrich their friends and families; and -they say it was only a minter ; it was io die- I .et freater proof of the prosperity of the cons ..-t Heir, hear.) -Ile derived great conselition. he siy,.fresu the present state of things. Fro mi the tie' which it was felt, where it ought to be felt, tbadflitry gentlemen, a large proportiel of the tousiettominuis Would, perhaps, feel that they 'A better by compelling a reduction, thati they doseby giving taxes. As he had Said befure,l %hey reduced taxation, it would NOS reduce I .-(Continued applause.) Loon observed. that he had not signed the pre- Ifferguisitios, because it did not fairly .and clearly the object of Parliamentary Re(orm:. He was yeostrioced that. without erase fax Parlia- Reform. all petittosis emit up to the House of is Are of no more use than se 'ditch Malik )-What was the ablecinf gt: Pe t=t a nt - redress of griever-es ?,itteidttg e re' -*staid esk, was the stain cause-sf those mss.lo IP • core* State of the representation of ibuttemple . } Tf sent up thin Petition, which was, in bis - op(lion a e miltrand water Pedtion.'oothiog irmild'be gained. ;Applause.)--This being his, opinioq, be should, if course met with the approbation of the Meeting, a a Resolution of this kind, and that it would be the comity by surprise. Now, as no man amid are unwilling than himself to de any *Meg in as 'hand or surreptitious manner. he should be go-• ' by the High Sheriff, and the lenge of * the !Hect ic the course which he should pursue. VaigiliTT, all . a freeholder of that usisty. y recommended the Meeting to inibt open the , lotion in favour otParliameatary Reform. There I be, Gentlemeis. oi case in point by which, the High Sheriff will not decline to* indoenced. Reeler Meeting, last Friday, ibe High Sheriff Ailed a Resolation to the effect now proposed. to subjoined to the petition by way of a rider. and rider be declared to be a subatastial part of t h e a. This is a noble precedent.-(Applause.) , lieu SilaaliF said it was.his painful ditty to that Ste could not put the resointioe. It mead la 4 de the, county. . , . Mass TowsSIND came ferwird on the huithsgs. meeting would be a nullity without passing the asisietion. They met to very Stilt; purpose, if they • declare their 'estimate in favour of reform did set embody them in their ?Sides end • ( • messy, be VISO Hume, to whom • 1 for polatieg oat public looney vo hie arginimete I at P he ag ef liatmatat tli r • ' for iliertaire of i • 'an ameivdmest. 1 - Till the limn* • ..,:. atise of the peo public purse, a than the Milne • t -... anion, theossel be believed, in not eajoy pros' —Seven milli . . , might be redui least to that es proVement or I hid rot reonic wanner they Is lie quite egret meens.—(App find deissory. it was of the L•t them not that it was a 1 country. Mr • .. ' by all parties. to expose the I moo evidence I' some, let lie 1 , most entertai giater. Let 1 I . jai'. Let the if they did in 41 (Apple:mg.)... expiring, mai ii formerly nett coltiration, ii I i which blasted , I . so surplus p 1 it . vator, aid, of ' i 1 ' lord. There I . t tl 114 c v e v t i i o v a e d t t ..— . a i vernment the Ibis tax frog without it. be . Lai ging idiots,". die; planar.)—Th 1 perity. The amount of re strangei cau . levies, exec':property, property, be flourishing 0 ' " Oh, bat," mistake. T disagreeable, t, ansferred, transfer. is ti might doubt OAS double , • 1 1 ' w hich . ha in sod to.guri ' might ditto i; • ' tress. Ind I ' I . , try.--tqe.iii, P ' must gis i .fe mode Meath i ''' f. • . by titellielg Mc usatt would 116 Ist ' bad eon% de l) , union that tbein.—(o i • Mr. Lag• sent IRequil point to thi poeideetto usentary Ri Commons , • Cr 41 1n1;tti4 . 4 would tisk I ((be comap they seat i mere milk • --(Appian . this count propose , • t taking the be more a r. 'odes ban/ , •. i; awned by lag, as to ' fdt. C 4 , strongly • • Resolatio Is. said b t west, the At the BI permitted . . he sithjoi this rider f H , -. .., pedtioa. '''' a Tbe V • I' • t ' say. that • V' • . a freed d ; • liir: II . Tbis ma v*6411044 i :•- ? did not d ‘ • (rat ; if they tl ' * .•;, 6,,, . *v• VV, sT A'l V:i , i'.11,4 N. and in in that shape will it be merited to the tfultse of 'Cositnotar. I trust the Sheriff Isere will follow exemele. Yon have heart! qiiitc'enotigli from any one of the Gentlemen who spoke to cominre you that withitit rekentall petitirting was useless. (Applause.) ' —I • remember very well, at the time that paper was almost at its lowest state of depreciation, sod one ltnows it beuer eban Lord Kine, who has just yokes—l remember well that at that very time Cie Parliament pissed a lair to declare that parr t' as not depreciated. They might as well pass a law to de elate the night to be day. Lord King stood up, much to his credit, against this Bill, end, is reven:re, they passed a law to make Melaka less this he wile enti: tied to by law—to reakeilim take ditty. rotten Bank notes for good substantial money. Now IT you *user this Petition to pass without a declaratiou of the ne cooky of Reform, you only give as opportunity fir the House to say that you can do without it. Sup pile the Sheriff says that if you put a prayer for Par liamentary Reform into the Petitioe, it shall not past. Be le so ; let it not pass. flat consequence will be the rejection of the petition. and then do we say to all the world, that so accessary do we contd. I dirTarliamentary Refonn. that, without it, nothinv in worth having. If you are not Reformers—it Woe go seder that ease, then your voice sills **mach the more peuterfal foe Reform. When the Reestmiers pod ioned, the consequence was the enam ellist of 'sew waserra of severity. Better reject th- Milos altogether than not petition for Reform. — Batter say- to the House that, sooner than petition it es it is, you would not petition at all. - Mr. Ltscu again presented himself and p d the high Sheriff to hear the Resoluties. lie then pro ceeded to read as follows : " Resolved, That it appears to this Meeting that Mr. Hume produced documents in the last Sesaioo of Parlia ment clearly proving that the Public Expenditure, both Foreign and Domestic, admitted of Retrenchments to a very large amount, In despite of which, all the proposi tioas eubmittell by him to effect this desirable object were navigated by- great 'majorities of the House of Com mons, thereby making still more manifest, that the cor rupt state of the Representation of the People is the real tense of our distress. It is, therefore, our decided conviction. that until the people are fully and fairly re presented in the Comntona House of Pailiament, no per manent and general relief from the pressure of cur hut diens can reasonably be expected." Mr. &men pat it to the Meeting, whether this Re solution was not couched in the mildest language.— ('` It is, it is!") Mr. Lowxncs said he should lose both his right arm sod his head, before he coasented to have that Raw. Intioo put—(a person in the crowd—" Yon would sus tain so great loss !") The Mos &metre still persisted in resisting the Resolutioo, and said he was not to he governed by the centime.' of other Sheriffs ; and being asked, would be call a Meeting for Reform that day, said at once that he would sot. lie would comply with a Requi sides, and appoint an early day. Mr. Cass argied in favour of the Resolution. M,. DiNiSON. the county &lumber, came forward applause. Ho dee/seed himself a friend to Reform—bad always supported it, and would support to hie Hoist breath. He dwelt fur some time snare et the coeittry, which he attribsted, to the imerwbelanier taxation. bee principally to the rapid &prelims of Mr. Pears Bill, with the principle of which, however, he entirely concurred. He stated his *Moe, that much might be dose toward lesseuing the burden of the soastry. and it was his object, and mould be his objeet, to do all he could towards effect mg a reductios. Mr. H.. Saimaa tart presented himself, aid said 'he had come to the Meeting with an anticipation the most perfect unanimity. He hoped, therefore, that so topic would be introduced to distract or di vide. but that they would eonfiee themselves to the simple subject of Reform. He never flinched from answering for his Parliamentary conduct. lie now was of opinion that no good could be done to the farmer by protecting duties. For three years he bad the stosupoly of our own market, aid yet the die existed. Ile had supported the war from principle Ms would sot say that so reduction might not be made ; but he would moietain that , a great deal had been dose is the way of retrenchment—that more was do ing. and that it was the determioatiom of Ministers correct excessive expenditure to the last farthing. (Great disapprobation.)—Much was said of the mom of expenditure; but it was forgotten that a great por tion of this expense was a debt incurred by the coun try is supporting a just war. Which of them would refs*, to give support to those who had bravely fought for their security ? He declared that whatever teeth there might be is the charges of corruption and bri bery against Meister% that at least his hands were eke.. For twenty-five years of Parliamentary service, he would defy any man to prove that he gave an terested vete. Mr. Cesssre here exhibited a pamphlet, which. said, was attributed to Mr. I.:Atrum,, and published kg Hatchaed. the Mieletirial printer. In this pamphlet under the sanction of Ministers) they were 4pet t e d es fee reseeweiriwg eire litter, bet mitreeebise too much. He Jaye misted this to show the sisoerity the determination vouched for by Mr. Somber. os part of Ministers, fa continue to retrench. The titan Sassier then put the question; that Petition already read be adopted. There were but to. se file hands in f t it; and almost the whole Meeting against it. Mr. BIPINCT wished that the Meeting should not psrate without coming to some issue. Mr. C thought that the rejection of the Pr tiou was quite decisive of the feelings of the Meeting. Rather than not petition fur Reform, they would petition at all. The Hum Sassier declared the Meeting to be at sod. A umber of Gentlemen then proceeded to s room , the Spread Eagle Inn, and Mr. !Bennet took the Climb A requisition was there signed by Lord King. V Bennet, Mr. Maberly. Mr. Townsend, Mr. Leach, to the High Sheriff. for as isusiediete Meeting, on sahject of Reform. The Requisition was sent to High Sheriff, and he appointed that day fortnight. ' The bleeder seemed satisfied with this answer. after thanks being voted to a variety of Gentlemen, broke up. A Cosaty Meals& it Ise:petted. will be cal Combas.lewd. to consider the propeiety of petitioning Parlientest for agricultural relief. Tile subscriptions fur erecting a statue to the story of the late Right Hosourable Henry WattAs amouated. on the nd alt. to near 1,2504 they did not follow that np by nil the constitutional enema th e ir power.--(tirestand continued appiarse.) tbeir voice was not heard. they mint make it he • He would wait Mr. leach's motion.—(Crics felt. move.") The Hint; SIMI?v said it was impossible fur him to mit the Resolution to be Moved . . He would suffer ...e right hand to he sot off sooner than put it. If a requisition was scot to bins numerously and respect ably signed. he would give it his best consideratin Go a future oecuion.—(Much confusion, lases, and some applause.) Mr. lateen said, in the county of Suffolk, the High Sheriff complied with a requisition Opted on the spot, for an immediate Meeting to consider of Parliamentary Reform—would the High Sheriff consent to do the same thing here? The Hton Suastre.—No; I will not. Great confusion ensued. in the midst of which Mr. Lowndes rose, but after a few ineffectual attempts to address the Meeting, he was compelled to teenier the percale to Mr. Menem who, though ready to sign a requisi time fur a meeting for Parliamentary Reform, would sot destroy the unanimity of the agricultural meeting. .1f the High Sheriff build relieve, as a Magistrate the aospty be would join in canine a meeting.—( planee)—He hoped, therefore, that the * * Ovalle `Wettest' would not be injured by cabs! or speaking. k was the deaire of many to get the force of such meet ings destriyed by confusion rad irregular proceediegs. Let them Ink at the real disease which they wished to remove. The vital interests of the community were at stake. If the agricultural interests were sot sated, the labourer would fall—the state would ultimately fall. Therefore, it was a great object to consider this subject wisely and deliberately.- He conjured them to exercise their understandings on this point. It was not because be was not friendly to Parliamentary Re form; that be entreated of them nut to intermix it with the present question. How to obtain remote relief in not the question, but the immediate reduction of taxa tion. The expenditure of Governuseut had exceeded the estimate of their own Committee io 1817, on an average 1,600,0001. annually. Though Parliamentary Reform was the most desirable thing they could have it was inexpedient to connect it with the present peti tion. He conjured them. therefore, not to do what would be unreasonable, aad woold injure themselves. Mr. LURCH explained. that lie had refused to sign the requisition because lie wished Reform to be pro minently mentioned—not 'because he bad thiught the mention of it in the requisitiou essential to the discus 'don of it at the oseetii:g. The HIGH said, be could not allow Mr. Leech to proceed further on a topic that was sot before . therting. r. Teowes spoke to order, and conteaded that the latroduction of Parlianteutary Reform mold mobs the meeting illegal. Mr. Tueiwasi next presented himself.—Aber leaving satisfactorily answered the challenges of M (swedes and the High Sheriff to knew if he was all «eerier or freeholder of the county. he proceeded al some length to show that the tepic of Parliamenterf Morse was embraced virtually is the Iteswieitioik.- klis observation were reeeived.with great arpladed. Mr. LOWNDSS made a wood attempt to get a hear ing. He proceeded a few sentences with the atten tion of his audience; but having stated that the psi cipl cause of the present distress was the high recta, hewn overpowered Mithilarks of disapprobation from ill sides. • The Hon. G. BV4MiT felt himself placed in rather an awkward situation. Wert be to follow the sug gestion of his feelings, the first word he should pro nouoce would be, Reform 1-• The last word he should pronounce would be Reform ; that it was necessary, that the want of it was the cause of all our distress— the source of all our sufferings. no one could fora mo ment doubt.—(" Pat on your hat, you'll get cold.")— " Never mind that. I'll get warm enough in a few mi nutes." This was his opinion about Reform. Bat here was the difficulty, the requ' ' 'on arid not a ward about Reform. Now it was by no means certain that., if the resolution for Reform was put, it would be car ried. At all events, it was certain that the county was not aware that the topic would form part of the business of the day ; and the question was, if it did. would that be exactly the number, would those present be all that would attend it? Perhaps not. He (Hr. Bennet) understood that the law (one of the bleseed Six Acts) made it illegal fur the Sheriff to pat such a resolution. However, they had a remedy. they might go into an adjoining room and there agree epee a pe tition for reform if they pleased. There they weeld n ot have to fear the Sheriff. He wished, however. to have a petition agreed un which would state to the House that they wanted the reduction of taxes. Let them require of the State to do what a private, ass would do—reduce their establishment to their income. Before they could touch a prosy of the foods, they mast reduce their expeaditere to the lowest possible saw. Let not the men is power lay the Battelle* auction is their breasts that they have a the property of every man in the country, " seemed to think that they were is poasersion of sadb eirl interest. Let them do as limy pleased with the Con solidated Fund—they skoild go no farther. Hod Al mighty gave him an arch to defend his property, and, with the blessing of God. defend it he would ! He ex pressed Ms great pleasure at seeing such a respectable meeting as was then prrsent ; and declared his inten tion, as soon as the business of that meeting was over. to adjourn to an adjoining room, and there have a pe tition draws op fur Reform.—(Applause.) Mr. Connerr —A word or two as to the authority of the Sheriff on this occasion. At Exeter, on Friday, a Gaudy Meeting was held. The Requisition said nothing about Reform, and a petition was agreed to something similar to this. only more full and positive In its demand for a reduction of taxes. After this the Hon. Newton Fellows, brother to the Bari of Porte mouth. moved a rider to the petition, which expressed a prayer to t►e House, that it would, with as little*. lay as possible, do that moat essential thing la the world, namely; reform itself. Objections were raised to the rider ; the subject was est in the requisidoe. But the High Sheriff determined that it wis his duty to subjeia the rider, and ea being put to the vote, there was act more than the number of ihy-two. oat of four tircasiud persons. who beld sip their bands against it. The rider he afterwards declared was embodied Into and formed part of the petition, . . . •••. PItICE OPSTOCI4s TlllB DAY AT ONE O'Cl" Rank Rock—. ..... • In4is Stork. Tlii j it 3 per Cent. Red. 774 Ditto Bonds Spar Ct.Coa. Si per Cent 0011 South Sea Old ken........, 4 per Cents tilt i En.Billtd.lollol. „ri c k pa 3 per Ccals.Nary 107111.' ---500/... ?cgs., 3 percent . • Small 96.72.14 pI4 Loup Asa IiII 11-161 Com for Acet ~ Imp. S per Cent %die for ditto . Irish beer Cost Lott. Tielusts 19/. iF e etig — ffitelftniat• woe gamma navasitaw" to necoaroaawas wmt " gas evavantaw." LONDON: TVIEIDAT EVENING, PLERVAIT 5. 1822. STOCK EXCHANGE, ELEVEN O'CLOCK. Consols yesterday left off at 771. and opened morning at 770, with but little business doing. A t one period they were dope at 77i, from which it say be inferred that his Majesty's Speech was aatiripsted to be of a favourable tenor. rwszva acLoct Tha Coasesissioaen tans jest been purchasing, and have ewe* 771 for Reduced. Consob are, in tem: (Isaacs. 77}' buyers for the Account. aid 781 I Q M oney.--Msch 'anxiety pregalls respect' ag the Spero, A Jamaica Mail arrived this stoning, with me t e to the 19th of December. The Royal Gezette of Dec 15, contains au address from the Council to the Lies. • tenant-Governor, with his Hooor's answer. GI the 3d the following message was ordered to be seat b his Honor:—May it please your Hooey, we are so dered by the House to wait es your Honor, aid form you that the House feels much alarm. at the EP i cutestance of a great number of discharged Black troops being abroad in this island. and to request that . 1 ;1 you will be pleased to have them collected together d' at Fort Augusta. or seine other part which is gad:. Itoned, fur the immediate safety of the Island. AM also that you will be pleased to communicate with ha Majesty's o....rtnasent in England upon the best mole 11- of removing these Black troops from the island.—la answer to the above, his Honor was pleased to say it a should be taken into consideration. Newfoundland Gazettes of the 21st Sept. state tht a• a French Govermrient schooner had arrived at &Joliet on the 12'h from Cranes harbour. charged with ade opateli from the French G there to Sir (liarki Id Hamilton, complaining of the conduct of tome Britisi re fishermen. ii. [mow TEL EOTAL GAZETTE, Dec. I.] Two battles are said to have bee. fought near Pods Cabello, sod a third in 4mayaquil, is all of which the J Inuepenuents are reported to have bersidittletioes. mid to in the latter made 600 rhopieselb with."llleirarsos rt is baggage. add arraenuaities't s he PhRLIAMICIT.--LO*IIII 7 4IIIWADA. id novas OP anzwear. EEC. fa. of It was proposed to resolve abet. the Legislature d this Province ought to have ti euthoelsed agent is the u g United Kingdom to watch over the iatereet of this ad Cl- Colony, and to communicate with his Majesty's R- oisters on all points relating to the same. accordieg lid to the instructions be might receive, or as the eccasiss of demanded. Ordered that the said motion be referred 1 a Committee of the whole Home on Saturday nest. di- t h e Dec. 21.--It was resolved that his Excellency the ouL Governer-in•Chiefs Speech at the opening of the!"" low sent Session, should be taken into cossideratioe, sa the bad the 4th January. and that un the sth January. the ref House will consider the expediency of restricting di tie. importation of American horses, boned, sad other de ; neat cattle. ens Paris pipers to the 3d instant have' arrived this do- I to Illonving.—h-They are chiefly occupied with a nowt a the proceedings of the Chamber of Deputies ea the jest of law relative to offences oldie Press. Os Then P ot ' day was taken into consideration the 9th article, which 1111- mid ordains, that '"whoever, by the mesas specified is tk L o tt Ist article of the law of the 17th of May.lBl9. 'boll nth endeavour to trouble the public peace, is *writ* brit contempt or hatred against one or several classes a /ere r.nons, shall be punished with the realties p ro posed rice, tit in the preceding article." M. H. Constant mewed at Amendment, the object of which was Se erase de he words, "in exciting contempt or hatred apiast 111 " or several classes of persons." A seemed amnia/ shlet w er e EEO atareed by IL de Cordeue who proposed that lti biett'foligertillrourdrsboott be sebedtatetr—ortryttllPl l i t Y t it fellow citizens to hatred and contempt against di other." A long discussion ensued, after which t t the 9th article was adopted. M. Mestadier then PO • tho roale r as as amendment, that after the 9th artitle Its 14" bag should be inserted:—" The poesicatlne ;.'' t se- of the peen, and not is reports of judicial procerifs;ha of any act of the domestic and private life i•f ai eje Ped- gen, without the consent of the party interested, 414 g. m- - not be punished by a floe of from 100 to 2,000 I:0 4 witheat prejudice to such civil and criminal 1W" . at an as. on account of the publication, may in rend Ilm in casts, be authorised by law. After some Jio 00 4 * hair. mt. t Amendment was rejected, and the Chant; er jonined. sn the On Friday the discussion on the project of law o the resumed, when N. Mestedierpropoted mute.' t as" j. r. and meat Of new clans., to be joined to the 9th r it was in these terms :—" The proprietors or tire d every journal or periodical writing sbagl be 1)0 0411 lied in kiwi within three days after its no/ pt, or is •s' junin g next possible number. if not within those sear ° he me- lays, the answer of every person name a g 1" 0 rattaa. 'at in the odd journal or periodical writin ?Floats te the other pains and penalties, to " "" t •