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= : . , •- ~ , 11 0 116111111 T..m• .4. , • • . IR' , - 5..•,,3 ~. eat vexation it gave the issanufacturers; firms the seeet aconite calculations it appeared that the quantity .seal tie staking a Wand of males coot but 4d., the duty wee id. nom. mid . yet the witmanater was charged bd. ; in fact the sisesimbseer Min es con sum pay for all the annoyance he endured from the alludes of the las, Another evil consequent on the preemie system as the . seismabs•devula which it gate rise to. and which preveiled more ik the tilitess width ware the sautes of his motion thin Is aay Wish -no tea was a most oppressive grievance—it was in fine a " ifiaaliram hornesidom iothrrite Wen, ---." he was sorry he could not add, " Chi hones odeopihms." (A laugh.) In addi. tiou to the heavy Excise duty on the we useetiol, there was an ad ditional import duty on foreign tallow. Thema' is die costraband trader on soap was 100 per cent. ; during the late war whim the price of tallow wu higher, the smuggle?. molt did not eseeed Sim ant. The Government he could prove was at present defrauded hymang. bledlen of more than a million a year ; in fact the smugikeves ens bled to sell snap at a price infinitely lower than the ex 'of the p q ms raw materal to the fair dealer, 11:10 was therefore coin driven one of the market. In addition to these circumstances was use more which should be decisive in the view of ever yandollittog,it was that the duty on wrap had, sa appeared from the papers bid Wore the Hesse, menially decreased (Hear); if then in the face of sn increased consumption, and in the face of those habits of )saucy which were every day gaining round, it were found that not only was there no increase in the duties bat rather a marked ,decreaae, the tat was no longer tenable.. It appeared that the ! satiount of the duty on seep and candles in 1823 was less than the amount of 1824 by 3,2601. 'f he quantity of foreign tallber imported . • is 1524 was 31,000 tons. It had always been admitted that the home produce wax not more than the amount of that imported, and indeed all specislations on that article were founded on that takula dos. It was calculated that 40,000 tons were consumed in menu &stoats, and the rest used for machinery and other purposes. The duty on soap was 3d. a pound, and Id. on candles. It was sup. posed that 24,000 tons of tallow were consumed in the manufacture dump, sod as much more in the manufacture of candles ; it was also calculated that 20,000 tons of tallow produced twice that muts city of soap. The Hon. Member went into some farther details, and proceeded to say that it was the persaasion of every man cons earned lit the trade that the Exchequer was annually defrsuded 01st boat one million. The duty at present on soft soap was one penny three farthings, part of which duty was returnable in the shape of a drawback ; the net duty on soft soap was but MOW.. Was it Om wise or sensible to enntinue a tax which was first exacted, teed thou shanty remitted. The tax on soft soup he wished so repeal li , and reposed to rob& the duty Go hard soap ow bir d i u ( set, he n the Iloilo amid never knock the mugs* on the heed, inakss they reduced the Mafia ; they may cover both land red two with their preventive forces, but could never selected in pantri down ameggling whilst the duties were so high. Another Waste of his motion applied to the duties on candles, and as the scout objections applied to that tee as to the other, he Asa* pit ' dwell long on it. The cheapness of the raw material, dip fholMy with which the artic'e wis manufactured, and the consequent M. souratrasent afforded to smugglers, applied to both ; the duty ca sondes, to beware. was not AO high as that on soap, but then the facility to the contraband dealer was rester, in addition to which the as on candles pressed peculiatly on the poorer classes; fon =es of the variety of those contrivances to which philosophy Mimed to the wants of luxury. the toe of tallow candles was I•ll,4more to the higher orders of society, the peoralene used them, i amid not work without them. The tax also pressed heavily on • large portion of which was performed by candle light—t way in which it affected the poor was this: there were twe tallow candles, namely, moulds and dips. (A laugh.) , • = s of on the duties on these two, three misted a mischievous dies lieetioo, which still more tended to oppress the poor; for fie whir Ned the humbler sort of candles, pawl a higher rata of taxation ales he who used those of a better description. He asked was that • It pricciple of taxation ? which plated the heavier burdens - eft dimes least able to pity them ? He bad now shown the House** do duties were so high as to encourage contraband trade, and the great extent to which that trade was carried. lie had made out a ease strong enough to justify his calling on the House to pledge itself to the reduction of those duties—not this Session, but early in the next Session, if the dnancial state of the country admitted of it. He was most anxious to be able to state something to his eats aliments, and so ought rimy Member. Indeed he had latel some letters, from which it appeared that Andrew Marvel, a bee of that House in the reign of Charles 11. was in the bit of daily accounting for his conduct to his oonstituents,hhe worse° well pleased with him as frequently to make him acrd in the list of those presents still extant, was included li t= ale. (A laugh.) The Honourable Member concluded by spirit. ellng his motion, which was to the effect--that it was expedient Ida early in the next Session of Parliament, if the financial state lathe country admitted of it, the duty on candles and soft soap should be repealed, and the duty on hard soap reduced one half. On the question being put from the Chair— The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, he was reedy to do justice to the Hon. Member, and to bear testimony to his constituents that he had done his utmost to des:rre that &swear which was presented in the days of Chinks 11. to those M embers who had well discharged their duty. He could not, of course. pre- Ned to say what reward might be adequate to the great deserts of 41111 Hon. 3lember. (A laugh.) If such presents are,to be revived (lea the Right lion. Gentleman) I think I too ought to put in my claim, and as 1 have done much to repeal some taxes, I think that at least two hogsheads of wine should be deposited in my house. (A laugh.) I however entertain no wish that the custom should be revived - . even though it have the recommendation of much anti. quity, rather more, to be sure, than the tax on soap and candles (hear), which tax. be it remembered, has existed for a century and • belt The Right Hun. Gentleman went on to say, that he had allipely watched the Hon. Menthe?. speech, to discover, if postai , Ille a whether ha had devised any new argument in support of his ... , jesposition. He did not know whether the lion. Member followed eerppulously the example of Andrew Marvel in writing daily to his titnenta, to give an account of his conduct : if so. he (the . . of the Exchocould enable hint to send them* Mc simile of two of his, in which hepositively refuses applications to reduce the n 40 on soap sod candles. He begged, however, to remind the Hon. Member that he had already reduced taxation to the amount of • 1304880/. i and that he had also gone great lengths in reducing{ , • sitans which, though in themselves all of small amount, tended Much to throw difficulties in the way of commercial interchange. He also beKged to remind the Hon. Member that during the present Session a great many motions had been brought forward for the redaction of taxation, to none of which the House agreed. When the House refused inquiry into the duties on tobacco and foreign spirits, and would not accede to the proposition for the further reduction of taxation, it was enough to remind him that it would DID then turn so rapidly on its own decisions. He eonfessed he nosey knew a proposition brought forward in a more objection able drape than the present; it was not for the absolute reduction of any tax, but was merely calculated to throw into confusion the trade to which it referred. It proposed to reduce the tax on soap and candles, provided the revenue of the country were in a mete to admit of it. It the House countenanced such a motion, would not its obvious cilitt he to confound every individual concerned in the trade, to throw them into the most annoying state of uncertainty, in fact, to puzzle them to death ? (hear, hear, and a laugh.) But suppose the motion acre agreed to, it could be but conditional after all. The House might next Session be able to reduce taxa tion, but it slid not follow that they should wish to remove that particular tax. He did not mean to 'import the tax on soap and candles on abstract principlle lie knew tun well that duty was high when the cheapness of the article was considered. Still he thought the Hon. Member to be rather wrong as to the amount smuggled. The Hon. Member took pains to compare the Mattes re. ccired in the years 1824 and 1823, and thought he had a wonderful ewe made nut when he showed that in a tax amounting to 1,200,CW. there ass a falling aro( 3,000!. In 11114 there had been duty paid on 78 millions of pounds of candles, while in 1624, a otlierere. of (oily ten yews, there had been duty paid on 109 millions of pounds. So that there did not appear to be quite so great a telling off as the Honourable Gentleman imagined • The Honourable Gentleman had inside great lamentations upon the sebiect of want of light, and the miseries of some kind of darkness visible; but he should have recollected that the whole amount of the tax which he declared to be so oppressiv was only one penny a pound, while the whole price of the &rile was shout 4s. Uhl. per dozen pounds, the whole price being, in 1814, Ils. 2d. per dozen pounds. Whatever, therefore, might be t said of the pact of candles pressing heavy on the poor, it was perfectly clear the amount of the tax was not the cause of that price being higher than it was calculated they might be sold lot in the (market. The Right lion. Gentleman concluded by observir.g that he did not torte agtirett the Hon. Gentleman's propositions on acenvm of his considering any tax to be good (hear, hear), which pressed upon the poor and industrious, but he really consiet eh". tosea .0 ...thy °diem sonar Might Wet:bete, In cafe of - a power of reduction being afforded-60 many which premed much morn severely on all classes than those which the Hon. Gentleman mentioned, met he cooled not give his consent to any pledge for their immediate tepee'. 'He felt too the motion was in itself so inconsincrt :t1 pont of form, and so likely to lead to consequences which min': he finind inconvenient, that he would upon that, it lie bad no othri ground, resist the Non. Gentleman's proposition. Mr. 11L/31 li objected to some supposed inconsistency in the Right lion. Gentleman's asstohons with regard to the tax of Id. on the pourd of candles. In point of fact. that tax was Is. on the deem pounds. as his Hon. mead (31r. Sykes) had asserted, and making an addition of 20 per cent. on the cost of an amide used in ail workshops from absolute necessity, an article which could not he dispensed with by the poor and industrious classes, and which amen the lowest were compelled to use. In the same manner the duty preesed upon the consumers of soap; but as the Right Hon. Gentleman had not attempted to disprove the details, he would say no more on that subject. He would, however, beg the attentioa of tD . T House to the general principle. that it was extremely de. visible as little m passible should be levied from the people beyond the s um white, is actually paid into the Exchequer. Now the price paid for tallow was about 4d. a pound. the ditty Id., making a tax, as he said becore. of 20 per cent. on the gross amount. Candler, however, were Bd. a pound. as any one might find who kept a house, instead arid. or eil., the price at which his Nom Friend had shown that, but for the interference of the Excise, trey might be sold : AO that by that inter( rence the coo. sumer was made to pay, by some process or other, thirty. three per cent. over the price he should pay. according to the Right Honourable Oen , lemons statement. The House would judge how far that was cooliornable to the principle laid down by the Right Honourable Gentleman the Chancellor of the Exchequer, and the Pres dent of the Baird of Trade, on other occasions, that every tit should he as nearly as possible wha' WAR actually paid inm the Zscise; hit here they saw the very act of the interference of the Lae se rain' t•ii, vire of the article 30 per cent. They had reduced a tee duty 0 t salt , red other artich s with great benefit to the public. trd he saw no maven why they ithutild our dispense with tile excite sang:that act candles, and by allowing the poor to purchase OE .4 Z• i 6 r I ,1 , ‘N .\ . c ~ ~. . 4 .. • • • • • • . 4 • e l OP. snidest IL a pound. afford them the means of obtaining light. He w i she d he could add heat too, by taking off the duty on coals. The Honourable Gentleman then urged the propriety of reducing the duty at seep keel 3d. a pound to lid., a useasere which wood pat so . sinti M ebe smuggling the Right lloooumble Gentleman complaint It. ktorease the consumption, and materially assist the Poor. mad esedielet by expressing a hope that the Right Honour. able GoislisMent wield go further than his Honourable Friend's and redoes the duties Dow, as be was quite sure there was a revenue which placed him in a condition to grant that anggeet4 . bons to e people. lin Alderman WOOD said there arse another due to he relieved frogs this oppressive tax, which neither of his Honourable Friend,' had Spiked t them who worked night and day many fathoms under the meds—the minus in the several districts of the country. That. mem peeped mike from a tax which pressed heavily upon their emniosionedl he themght the Chancellor of the Exchequer, when he was wades COW se the Duke of Cumberland, should pause to reilemerliado the ennuis} of the miners of Comwill, and call a his behme he squandered away the public money io that eneaner, that jeer tamers, eating nothing but barley Weed, wee &peg for 'f from a tan which, without such intro videinannia. he could wedelhed to repeaL Led - A. HAMILTON, levies presorted saved petitions on the In** *Ma his ef the eseatry, felt himself bound to say taili e lli: Ws that if it was repeeled it wield bas h pot . P amd at the prudes of tables se much min of the perms of the oseemmers dem was paid into the &Wolf' ARb,llO6 hoed weight em dose eddects, ban either sip siNeress. was in Omer of die Hemeerable Ofallesion's he eemediems wish whet he lied offend at theW he was essehmod rhos whatever: the 1 Oandwrinw hill tehmi,is midi bpi his stet by the meld Mimi. Ca 1. i : 11MAIES ezpkkimi do Ms Ilemelliehl• 1111 Al :. I gone kilo de derails, hormie hi dismal is Rohm to ?Weft. themedies to NE:es oat fiesebser. mg thOeirentlalmioniln they wield be pkerd. He um dikl ON Beiestable se the odor side were semi alnu es 3c Of sidlic eni easweilag. he seep st n d oder far be cat whether ems or kith be repried, it was lime et /dyad the peeped hi the emosiog Reeskin. WITH dismirepßel t end Alm • fliirdefit nom Mr. N. CALVICAT and Mr. Molex, the modes wee without a division. . :lOUS WRITS OF RRROR. Mr. E brought la his Bill fee _puttisig at end to the use ii Sir the mere pevae erdeday. h warred A est dine, with strong symptom, of approbation. IMPRISONMENTS IN INDIA. Mr. HlMMliiiitt he had moved two years ago for the production a ye the pornoa camtned to lodic at the pleasam edit • met as he 114i1 IMO told the returns could nee be prodased , but that lerieby would be made on the 42,_h.tee1.110=...11111 yield be me doectien to granting them on tie. Mit Whoa they °smolders& the immense power • the Weigel Deresemosenta r ha thought it would be con. "did am itig _Add" peals peg Nessmoy die conduct of those who pore emelt epee to essiedseatser is India the Go. =ILIt hatlerlidg lie asks laws tidy Wee not contrary id inn eimatey, bet the me "edified with that = had deviled a peer sue, by which, under the clock of RlP they weir oneW so mane an individual. without accu lee Mal, far any period they pleased, and without the slightest tweed 'geed to any of dm oesy tribunals of the law. The See 01* IllA to thew the mews of these regulations, then read E .extreme from the Rogelerkim of Bombay in the year 1818, atwhich it append thee shesnot by the military authori. the Linree ere L lio be brought before the Governor within a itmlwimellitllllllllo we emPonered, in toolunction with hid 4 lodge a viseramt for the detention of those persons with. sent any inquiry or appeal, the prisoner not being even under the peer of a curt of Hakes Corpus. Now, when the Government raFr i r:2• 4 "'""Trp :,1 wm.inhgenortgeea di ng too : a'n'rro d l • • tdd.• to listen to any complaints when they were even denied redress to ao individual who had made when 1 Oden gru rg ra d" : " " of eam er aia ßoar o tf o C t e gri n tiraorr, oppression —when airy flit Actin, hod thought proper about two years age at declare that be would hews no objection to pass an Act to pro. mt, if possible all appeal . beat the Government of India to the Gemeensest here, he thought it their bounden duty to protect the Mtgs of India by dememiling regular returns. The Hon. Gent. at the confinement of Vizier Ally and others, and Ar ai Wooden il the treatment thus experienced, con. for a :stunt of all Europeans and natives con. fined in an Presidencies , Presidencies, stating their offence, the date of their arrest, Dames, essidence, &c. from the year 1800 to the latest period; and also Ise copies of all regulations promulgated' during the same period. Mr. C. WYNN did not mean to oppose the production of the Returns, as fee as they could be procured. Letters had been sent according to promise, requiring them, and answers had been receivod from all the Presidencies, except Bengal. That would be laid be. fore the House as soon as received, but he feared not during the present Session. From the nature of the wars in which they had been engaged, and from the constitution of Society in India, he feared however that the confinement of prisoners—such as those of Tippo Saib, in the manner described, could not be avoided. He wished, however, that the number should be as small as possible. Sir C. FORBES concurred in the motion of his Hon. Friend . . ... . . • Mr. H u mo, and only regretted that it did not go farther by' movl kr the production of the memorials of complaint from India, wit' bed been transmitted to the Board of Directors . These mernori ' mere he feared in some instances suppressed. One remarkable is. *epee of the meaner is whici these memorials were disposed can* within his personal knowledge. It was that of the Rajah of OM believe) Nagpore, who had been deposed from his government, and his sister was substituted in his plate, it being supposed that she would be more subservient to the views of the British Govern. ment in India. He wee himself confined for fifteen years; he sent no less than three memorials to the Board of Directors, which were transmitted through the Madras government; but which were sot received. This he knew, as he had a copy of one of these memo riahr, either he had it, or it was at present in the possession of his Hon. Friend (Mr. Home.) On making inquiry about it, and re questing an lion. Friend of his to attend to it. he found that no such document had been received there. Foe this reason it ought to be aacertained how these memorials had been disposed of. In his opinion these memorials ought to be received and attended to. as it would tend to increase the confidence of the people of India towards this country, by showing that we attended to their coin. plaints. it would besides familiarise Members of this House with the situation of India, on which we had but scanty information and too little discussion. He wished that the practice which prevailed formerly, of bringing the Indian budget annually before the House. sere resumed. The Hon. Member enumerated one or two similar instances of hardship that have occurred in India, memo. riots of complaint of which had been neglected; and expressed his regret that the Right Hon. Secretary for Foreign Affairs, Is 11 his former situation had declared himself unfavourable to the en tertainment of complaints from India. Mr. CANNING was induced to present himself to the attention of the House, in consequence of an allusion which had been made in his absence to what had fallen from him on a former occasion. What the Honourable Member (Mr. flume) had attributed to him (Mr. Canning) and what was repeated by the Honourable Baronet who had just sat down, was not only not a true represents. tion of his sentiments, but was the very reverse of what he did say. (Hear, hear.) The Honourable Gentleman had accused him of having expressed a wish to see a law enacted which would prevent the natives of India from transmitting appeals and complaints to this country. Now, he had not said that, nor any thing like that. The discussion he remembered arose respecting certain loans coo. traded between the Native Princes and some European hankers. An attempt had been made to influence the supreme government to interfere for the repayment of these loans. These loans had always been discountenanced by this Government, as they were at tended by the worst consequences. There was now a positive law against them, and what he had just raid was, that he would wish ,to sec a law enacted which would prevent these bankers from getting bock any money they may have advanced by loan to the nations of India. And he would say, and say it too in the face of any Indian, that there was no one circumstance which was agreater scandal, or which was a greater disgrace to the European name in ...India, than these loans. He was therefore most anxious to prevent the interference of the supreme government in procuring the repay. inert of them. Any person who knew the nature of the govern. went there must know that its interference when exercised teethe Wing. (Wild al JP. Conalskood..andarden. Zia vs, th an, aaald.it beim. pure d to htin, that he wan in favour of • Bill adverse to the inter. eats of the people of India? (Ilear, hear.) or that he was unwilling to attend to their just complaints ? He would even now say, that if there was a single rupee of these loans unpaid, he would hope that it might never be paid. (Hear, hear.) He would now leave the House to judge of the fairness of the imputation of the lion. Member, (Mr. Hume,) tend of the Hon. Baronet (Sit C. Forbes,) between whom there seemed to be such a community of feeling— and such an identity of interests,that the one did not know whether the copy of a document was in his own pocket or that of his lion. Friend. (A laugh.) It reminded him of two friends mentioned in the Spectator, who had between them one idea, one opinion, one religion, and one hat. (dluet laughter, and cheers.) Sir C. FORBES said, that however admirable might be the wit of the Right Hon. Gentleman, he could not help thinking that it was frequently misapplied, to the injury of that cause which he meant to support. lie was not aware of having misrepresented the Right flor.Gentleman, and he remembered, that at the time he re marked that the Right lion. Gent., who was then going out as Go vernor-General to India, would find it extremely convenient t o carry out with him such a law as that to which lie had alluded. (Hear, hear.) He was at a loss to account for the thundering tone I of declamation in which the lion. Genileman had disclaimed his support of such a Bill. He begged further to state, that he never had been engagal, directly or todirectly, in any loan to the nations f India. An Honourable ME:11111 R whose name we could not learn. bore testimony to the fairness of the terms of the loans which had bar r adverted to. Mr. CANNING explained. and supported his tint st t :trent. lie could not of coarse remen:ber the precise words after so long a period. but what he had lusted to the Nose was, he was satisfied, substantially the same as what he had now mentioied. Mr HUME thought there was very hale nod of the Right Hon. Gentleman to get into the passiegrealdeb he did upon•this oc casion. His recollection of what ha Ind add. appeared to him (Mr. Hume)) to have been as much forgotten by him, as his construe. • •- of•he i-arisactions to which he had alluded was erronecus. After the Right Hon. Gentleman had disclaimed the expressions eurwuwu w our), he (Mr. H.) had no rhea to say he did use them. _-_, T - \ THE BRITISH PRESS. Certaloly the impression .port his mind was that he did use them, and it was confirmed by the observation of the Hon. Baronet (Sir C. Forbes) that at the time he temarked it would be a convenient Milroy the Right Hon. Gentleman to take out with him to India. The loans which were advertised were of as pure and fair a nature as it was possible for them to be, and would bear the strictest in. yeatigation. He begged to assure the Right Hon. Gentleman that he had net said anything in his absence that he would not readily say in his presence, and he had Only said in his absence because it wan mentioned in the presence of the Right Hon;Gentlentan be fore, and he did not contradict it. What the Right Hon. Gentle man had said was inn at all relevant to the present motion, and he appeared to him (Mr. H.) to digress for the purpose of indulging in e few wordy observations. The motion was then agreed to. Air. FIUME next moved for copies of all memorials transmitted from the Hindoo-Britona_to the Court of Danner*, and copies of all Correspondence and other papers relative to their situation. Mr. WYNN, as we understood him, was not aware that many etch Memorials had been transmitted t he remembered some years ago there wan one, but he would not object to accede to the motiou. Motion agreed to. Jr.A HUME next moved for a copy of the minute of the Mar quis of Hastings' appointing Hindoo-Britons to certain official si tuations of a local nature. They were permitted to hold commissions in the army, but that right was held front them by the present Chief Governor of India. This was very vexatious, and naturally excited great dissatisfaction amongst those who were deprived of this privilege. He did not anti Spate any opposition to the motion. WI'NN was surprised that the Hon. Member should not anticipate any objection to the motion, se he told him yesterday that he ehould object to it. There was no such minute of the Mar quis of Hastings as that alluded to by the Hon. Gentleman. The only one approaching to it was one by . which it appeared that some individuals were appointed td situations in a local militia, who it appeared were ilindoo-Britons, but it did not appear on the face of the minute that they wore so. This was all that had appeared on the subject. Besides, there were many minutes of the Chief Go. verrtor's which contained so many mixed matters, that if they were to be given to - the public they would prevent the communications teom being so full an they sometimes were, and therefore the motion and knowledge bow to act less complete and perfect. (Hear, hear.) Mr. HUAIE laid be would be satisfied with that part of the mi. nute which referred m the aposistment of Hindol•Britons to situ *ions In the army. and ler mold deportee with other ptk of it. After a few *or& from life. WYNN{ we aadMtMood the eliotioa was withdrawn. TFIN RIW:31 4 11. RANT,. HOME said, the last motion he had to submit relative to the Rev. Mr. Bryce--it was for copies of all correspondence, and ether papers connected with his appointment to be Clerk of tbe sta tionery at Calcutta. This gentleman was Chaplain to the Corn. nany, and had been recently appointed to this situation. lie was a Presbyterian clergyman, and according to that religion the clergy men of it could not hold pluralities, and particularly two situations so incompatible with each othez as those which that gentleman held. But that church refused to come to a decision ot his cause until they had some effectual documents to adduce in evidence a gainst him, and whilst they were wanting their time in discussion he continued to hold this situation, se derogatory to his clerical character. This we the penort, for opposing whose appointment, and for stating him to be a political writer in the "John Bull in the East," (which the Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Canning) might have been more happy in calling the twin brother" of the "John Bull" in this countey than he was in his former allusion) that Mr. Buckingham was ruined in his fortune, and sent out of the country. He thought it was 'than/qui, to continue him in two appointments, so incompatible with each Other. fie therefore-moved for copies of the minutes of the Supreme Council, in which the appointment of the Rev. Mr. Bryce to the situations of Scotch Chaplain, and of Secretary to the Committee of Stationery, was inserted, and a state ment of the duties annexed to chore appointniests. Mr. WYNN said that orders had been sent over to deprive him of the situation of Secretary to the Stationery. Those orders had not been obeyed, and freskordere were issued fee the purpose, and probably ere this the communication of this Government bad been received and carried into effect. Sir C. FORBES supported the motion. Mr. DENAIAN thought the public ought to be put lo posses sion of the circumstances connected with his appointment, and the grounds of his subsequent removal. Dr. PHILLI MORE said, that as the object of the motion had been effected, it was now useless to call for the papers connected with the appointment. (Rear, hear.) Mr. Bryce was removed. and therefore there was an end to any objections that might be made to his holding the situation of Secretary to the Committee of Stationery. As to Mr. Buckingham, he was not sent out of the woody solely on account of his opposition to Mr. Bryce. It was for a series of aggressions on the Government that he was ordered to leave India. and knees not until after repeated warnings that the order was enforced. (Hear, hear.) Though it was not carried into effect until the present Chief Governor arrived in India, it was the act of the Marquis of liaorine Government, which had repeat edly cautioned him to desist from the line of conduct he was pursuing. Mr. TRANT briefly supported the motion. The Gallery was then cleared for a division. For the motion - 28 Against it • 74 111ejority-48 COURT OF CHANCERY. Upon the admission of Strangers into the Gallery, we found Sir F. BURDETT on his legs, moving " That an humble address be presented to his Maj Ody, prhyine that cadent may be given that the evidence taken by the Commissioners appointed to inquire into the practice of the Court of Chancery, be laid before the House." Mr. Secretary PEEL said, be rose to oppose the lion. Baronet's motion, solely upon public wounds. Thelpiestion was not a party question, and he should - only treat it as it involved the pub lic Interest. It must be considered that the time would shortly come when the whole would be laid without reserve before the House. There could be no reamnable objection to wait until the period, when the House would have the advantage not oily of the evidence, hut of the report containing the opinion of the Commia sionere. lie was ready to admit, that the opinion merely, without the evidence, would not be satisfactory ; but when both were joined, they would afford the very best materials for the Rouse to decide upon. The Commissioners would have concluded their labours before the next Session of Parliament, and the subject would then come fully under consideration. It was without pre cedent for the House of Commons to ask the Crown to produce the evidence taken before the Commissioners without the Report containing their opinion. Such a course he would con sider as an unnecessary interference of die House, by which no public object could be advanced. Fie felt a decider! objection to have a portion of the evidence produced, because subsequent evi dence may counteract the impression which should be crested by the former evidence. Under all the circumstances, it must be admitted that no public measure could be founded upon the pro duction of the evidence moved for by the lion. Baronet. without the Report of the Conamissioners. The Chommiseioners had already sat no less than seventy times, and had examined 45 witnesses. Sonic time must elapse before the evidence could be presented to the House. It would take the House some time to digest it, and at this period of the Session its production could not lead to any measure practical utility. Besides, to publish the evidence with out the Report would prejudice the measures intended to he sug. grated by the Commissioners. In thus opposing the Hon. Ba ronet's motion, he ftcely admitted the importance of the measure, and disclaimed, upon his honour, haying any intention to prevent the fullest inquiry. He strongly hoped that an efficient remedy may be discovered for the delays complained of in the Court of Chancery. Thin he said, without an intention of throwing blame upon any individual, or admitting that any individual was reason. Bible for the evils complained of. As an honest man, he thought wane inquiry was necessary, and felt pleasure in anticipating that the House would be in possession at an early period of the whole evidence, together with an ample Report. Indeed, he was one of those who thought the subject KAI of such importance and extent that it should have been presented to the House in branches. He had that day personally communicated with an individual who was sup. posed to he peculiarly concerned in this inquiry. He said supposed, because it did not appear to him that the Lord Chancellor, to whom he alluded, was particularly, interested ; but that Noble Lord had unqualifiedly concurred with the House in the necessity of an in. quires and was strongly of opinion that sonic remedial measure might be agreed upon ; and that a full Report would be ready to presort before Parliament again assembled. In his (Mr. Peel's) opinion, it was better to wait for this and see the result. Ile ap prehended that it must be three weeks before the evidence could be -primed, and he repeated 'ff irWitefpostribte to adopt any practical remedy at this period of the Session. Another objection was, that if the House consented to the Motion, it would be a practical super. cession c the Commissioners' labours. The Conomseson was corn. posed of individuals who had employed much time in the consi deration of this subject. In the months which had elapsed they had seventy sittings and examined forty-rive witnesses. The inquiry was conducted in the most open manner, and every one who con ceived himself in possession of any information was allowed to he examined, without referenee tg the effect of such evidence upon any person or part. (Hear.) The House should pause, before they passed this indirect censure upon individuals employed diligently and actively in the public service. Such a line of conduct in his (Mr. Peel's) opinion would rather prejudice than promote the intentions of the House, and on these grounds he felt bound to give his re luctant opposition to the lion. Baronet's motion. Sir F. BURDETT said this subject had long been under the consideration of the Heine, and he thought it moo iteportant that Hon. Members shouid he put in poemesion of all the information, which could be had on it. His object was, not to waste another year without applying some remedy to the crying evils connected with the Court of Chancery. He did not impute blame to the Corn stinsioners, but he believed that Commission was campoeed of indi viduals having other donee incompatible with their full attention to this inquiry. lie did not consider such a Commionon likely to produce much good, when it was considered that the Lord Chan cellor was at its head, who had been sitting so many years in the Court where the evil was growing, which required a remedy, and which that Noble Lord, he dared to say. considered nn evil at all. After considering attentively what had fallen from the Right Hon. Secretary, he tSir F. Burdett) could see no reason for withholding the evidence from the House. lie thought it most desirable that the public mind should he turned tit the subject. lie understood the Commissioners were greatly restricted in their juririottion. and he confessed himself of opinion that their Report could not be con sidered as matter of public interest, although the evidence tak, n before them should be considered matters of much interest. The evils arising out of the practice in the Court of Chancery were of such magnitude that all classes were concerned in them. There was no family which had not felt the delays already alluded to by the ;light lieu, Csentlernan in terms so crusble to himself. The , An- . _ evil was en notorious that (here eras little necessity floe the opinion of Commissioners. It was the duty of the House of Com. mons to find out a remedy for an evil which was growing more de. atructive every day. It wu well known that the Court of Chancery had grown wp in an extraordinary manner, and wu not founded upon constitutional principles and practice like the Courts of Corn. mon law. The proceedings, too, were different from those of the founded e d w could Eh com mon greatlyrac tice osedtntwchie sice, h n t if t 0 1 C o urt s .n t e erushed oafso fotge however f e gi t .dithbt:teehott com monmi r oet h ww e m a use ab s ol u t e proceeding, at a l nl is l it h ow t w re, nf—.2etn(ixhwi c ould 0 f.fechl Chancery i u o e c a vi oi l d be h w ne er ro,assimilatedfce testimony padocumentary r, dav !should.: evidence,hb e e d a accepted not t e e butdm a in. on . abolish the system of accepting only the worst kind of evidence d inu t ,, lr t ti h e e r b t or he d p e res han en ce t s li y or mem ni 4f h p e ra to ct minister speedy justice. he had not the means. If the situa tion of Lord Chancellor was burthened with too many duties, let the business be divided amongst as many Judges as should connected necessary,th dilat ory, w.i r uinous , u h t t hi let u_i rr n te. o n t sai b ,: e de o b liged r,n e: f t oroTpmuhrierst.uee werejHtles t shouldi justic e manyth r through allude to the appointment of Commissioners of Bankrupts. There mold be no worse tribunal than a Commission of Bankruptcy. There were seven Judges under the title of Bankrupt Commis. stoners. This !system was a cause of ruinous litigation and delay, as well as fraud, with which Bankrupt Commissions are known to abound. 'I bore were of were 70 places given to young barristers who had attained no professional eminence, as a thing to begin with. This wy patronage for the Lord Chancellor ; and it would be observed, that the situations were not given to those best qealified, nor with the view which ought to direct in such . appointe me m '. Leaving these details, he was at a loss to see what mis cloet could arise front the production of the evidence. It was the duty of the House of Commons, and he hoped the next Session would not pass without the discharge of this duty, to inquire not only into the proceedings of the Court of Chancery, but also into the proceedings in the Courts of Common Law, and into the gene ral administration of justice. He understood the proceedings were more expensive in Courts of Law than they were in Courts of Equity. His (Sir F. Burdett's) object was only to put the country in possession of all the information which could be obtained. The evidence, and not the Report, vest' material ; and as great min. chiefs had confessedly arisen from delays, he hoped the Right Ho nourable Secretary (Mr. Peel) would chew his ontrion. Ind allow the paper, to be praduccel, which he (Sir F. Hardest) expected to have been ordered as a matter of course. An Houourahle MEMBER, whose name we could not team, observed, in allusion to what had fallen from the Honourable n& . ronet, as to the expenses attendant tipon proceedings in Courts of Law, that a relative of his had engaged in a suit to recover the small sum of ten pounds, and at length succeeded, when he dis covered that the expenses amounted to 81. )7s. fid., and that only IL 2s. fld. remained for the successful suitor. (A laugh.) He hoped the Hon. Baronet would have health and happiness to carry into effect his intentions on this subject. (Hear.) Mr. W. SMITH said, that when his father was on his death bed, he had called him to say, that the Chancery suit, in which he WWI so long engsged,lhad terminated last week, by the death of his opponent. Now this suit had lasted for two and thirty years. (ties, bear.) Mr. Secretary PEEL thought the Hon. Baronet was mistaken as to the extent of the Commissioners jurisdiction. He (Mr. Peel) had no objection to lay before the House a copy of the Comniission. If the Hon. Baronet renewed his motion at the commencement of the Session, he (Mr. Peel) would be disposed to take a different view of it. As to the anxiety of Ministers to attend to the adminis tration of justice, it was evinced by the introduction of an Act which would be brought before the House that evening to regulate the issues of trivial writs of error. Mr. DENMAN said the Act which the Right Hon. Gentle man was about to introduce was not upon the Report of Com missioners but upon notorious necessity. Now he contended that the evils of the Court of Chancery were equally notorious, and that the Howie may consider the propriety of applying • remedy without delaying for the Report of Commissioners. If he understood rightly the Commissioners felt themselves festered by the terms of their commission, and confined themselves to particular subjects of inquiry. The evils of the present practice, as he before ob served - was notorious : it often happened that two or three an. nultante under a will could not enforce their claim, although it was unquestioned. until several joined. It would be ruinous for one to think of enforcing his claim, and before a sufficient number could join perhaps one of the claimants was dead. Now this was dia. graceful to the administration of justice. In cues where a small quantity of stock was left, and the Bank refused to pay until pro ceedings were commenced in equity, it was the advice of the Solicitors. " Don't move for 400/. or 5001., for the expenses will swallow up the sum." These matters were of frequent occurrence. Similar facts were stated every ear; and unless the House of Commons interfered, when would the system be at an end? In 1823 the Member for Lincolnshire brought the subject before the' House of Commons; last year the question was evaded by the appointment of Commissioners. The Commissioners had now sat for nearly fifteen months, and y et there was no immediate prospect of • Report. For his part, he thought the evidence might be printed in three days ; copies of it were now handed about, but this was not bringing it before the mtblic, as the Ho nourable Baronet proposed. One part of this evidence he Mr. Denman had read. A practitiorer in the Court of Chancery is asked whether he had an opportunity of witnessing the distresses of his clients P—He replied that he had not, because the clients communicated with his solicit-es. but he had seen at the end of a Chancery suit an order given, that the remnant of the property should be given, not to the individual who claimed it, but that it should be divided In payment of the 'solicitor's bills. It was said there was no precedent for this motion, but be (Mr. Denman) conld not see what difference there was between evidence taken before a Commission and evidence taken before a Committee of the House. If the production of the evidence only brought the public to consider a branch of the subject, it was a great advantage. If a particular remedy could be applied to a particular part, it was cons. resent for the House to act and apply that remedy. Until the House took the subject in hand, in his opinion no good could be done. As to the Report of the Commissioners, it was subject to the revision of the House and public opinion, and it would be well. by pmducing the evidence, to let the public into the secrets of the practice Li the Court of Chancery, which would give them some means of judging on this diversified subject. He had hitherto considered this subject without any personal reference, and he would say, that there seemed to be an alarming degree of ten derness on this part of the question. This is visible all through the inquiry. The whole proceeded upon the assumption that there was no personal fault. Now he thought there may be some per tunal fault, and unless It was scrutinized, he should remain in doubt. One fact he would mention. On the first day of last Michaelmas Term there were 45 cases put down in the list for trial, and on the last day of the term the 45 cases remained. The names of the par ties were the same, and it appeared that not one of those caws had been touched. Now every individual party was obliged to pay U. for having his cause put down. It was not IL from the plaintiff and IL from the defendant, but IL each. should there be ten plain. tiffs and twenty defendants. Whether any of the causes which then appeared on that paper were now settled he could net tell, hut this he would say, that this WM not a proper system of prac tice. It could not be propel to oblige parties to pay one poand for the privilege of not being heard. (Hear, hear, and laughter.) Then they heard a great deal of praise bestowed upon the Noble Personage who presided in the Court, because everything wt.; dis posed of upon motion ; but he would nay, so much the worse. That was not the way in which all die great minxes which came before the Court of Chancery ought to be disposed of, because it must be obvious that when questions of magnitude are disposed of on mo tion, there cannot have been that grave and solemn attention paid to it which the interests of the parties required. He threw t h ese observations out without any intention to inculpate the noble mdi. vidual who heard these motions, though God knew he had no wish to he thought desirous of nicking soy compliments in that quarter. All they knew of that individual was that lie bad been for the last 25 years carrying on and benefiting by this system, and that he had done nothing towards correcting it. but, on the contrary, had opposed it with all his power. whenever any Hon. Member of the House of Commons (for it had not been brought forward in the other House) had endeavoured to introduce corrections, and to alter a system an fraught with objections. Upon those principles he should support the motion of his lion. Friend. With regard to the Commission, and to its probable results, when he considered the important nature of the subjects submitted to it. and the . great and powerful individual presiding over it, he was quite sure that a great deal of disgust would be entertained in the country at the daisy shish had taken.placaz and tte - thongirt that - Merin would not be diminished, when it was known that the Right Henourable Gentleman opposite (Mr. Peel) had had an interview with that Noble and Learned Lord. He was sure that the disgust would be considerably increased, and more especially if the production of the evidence now called for by his Honourable Friend should be refused. PEEL rose to explain. He declared that his only motive for seeing the Noble and Learned Lord was with a view of ascer taining whether there would he a Report made by the Commis sioners in any reasonable time, that it might be laid before the House; and that Noble hoed said that he had no doubt there would be a Report prepared in the course of a few month:. ; at all events, he was of opinion that there ought to be such a Report made within that time. (blear.) Mr. W. COURTENAY begged that the House would look at the question before them with impartiality; and lie hoped they would listen to him with attention for a short time. while he en deavoured to explain what wax the real nature of the commission which was now proceeding with the inquiry into the practice and system of the Court of Chancery. It was to be remembered that when this question was first brought forward, great complaints were made against the delays in the. Court of Chancery, and much was said respecting the duties of the Lord Chancellor in the House of Lords ; the practice of the Court of Chancery was also much corn. ;gained of, as being calculated to work great abuses. lie was sure that the House would do him the justice to say that he never bad denied the existence of abuses in practice which ought not to exist. (lieu, hear.) On that occasion he admitted that there were abuses which required to be done away, but at the same time he felt it his duty to resist the appointment of a Committee of the House of Commons to inquire into and remedy those abuses, because he knew that ouch a Committee was wholly incompetent to enter into the subject, as it would be composed of men who were not at all conversant either with the taw or the practice of that Court, and whi therefore could not be supposed capable to enter into inquiry efficiently. He contended then. and he would still maintain, that the very nature of the complaints themselves showed that the re medies must be applied to minute anti particular points of the process. What were the complaints made ? They were that great delays were occasioned by the abuses of the process, that people were frequently involved ma Chancery suit for years before ~ 7, • they could obtain • judgment, and ;list when a decision was math the prolixity of the proceedings had incurred an expense which irs; often times ruinous to both parties The whole systctu, indeed, of the Court had been represented as an evil that ought to be done away. He would ask, whether up to this year (and he was in the recellee, tion of the House) the complaints were not stated to be of such nature, and the abuses en great, that without an inquiry on the part Ma Committee of this House, it was impossible to cure the defec tive amens that existed ? Last year, the Hon. Member for Lined* (Mr. J. Williams) made a motion for a Committee of Inquiry, and the Hon. and Learned Gentleman founded it on the reyreeenuttioa of eases where delays had intervened ; in fact, the whole matter was made a subject of complaint, and u loudly calling for inquiry. But the House of Commons did not concur in the uppointment of a Committee; u was the opinion of the House that such aCannontee would not be competes[ to accomplish the task prorated to be assigned to them • but instead of a Commi ttee , h is Right Honourable Friend (Mr. Peel) suggested that the whole of the subject should be submitted to the investigation of those whose experience would qualify them to point out what were the defects and what were the proper remedies to be applied to them. But did the proposition to be ionofh l i n s instituted Right esuppollamson. Fried ctic t e t ar han that inany makeway which was proposed by the Hon. and Learned Mmber for Lin coin No ;on the contrary the motion of his Risk Hie. Primd extended the inquiry to subjects which were not embisesd by the motion of the Honourable cad Lesened °endears. What were the terms of the instrnctiesta dews la Re Cosninhilmere They were directed to inquire whether owy mil what elimuleut e made in the system and peek*er the Court, sod of d int offices connected with it; thee unbratlas the whole awn ed t h e jurisdiction powermnot o o f n i t y he to C it tz u rt irs of th alami/7 w as system ; ter they wipe sp at et , and yawn le lee equity branch of that Curt, hse am houghs& at tam kei, led the jurisdiction over (hole-af.liiikispicy ebb - Ili hew ea loudly complained of, medrupesineel Is s put whit* e=r d be altogether taken away lbsen [lbws Clundlle. They wiest to inquire into all the vadome oboe of skin preseedingb *an be commeocement the silt II di* Rail diedebn of the Judie, b.. chiding inquestioashly dm ask nif kerbs and d= ass b y which the espionali MA dies Sit strongly cots were stated to be auselensi. Ink* an aware what set of wadi in the English Isaguse audit en the Comodeeinswe lure ex tended power, or a more kips IP dish lasehleit i But it did Imstop there. lee it wea l her any ind • what pad of the bodkin subject to th e • of the Cosset would be withdrawn ad submitted to ano n et withrut detriment to the pitbeic. Me swat s loos to conceive what words could be used to Min 111111RillibileiTe power to the Commis sion. It extended oureury Wench of the Court, whether of its practice or its jurisdictions. If it was thought that the jurisdiction over bankruptcy cases should be withdra•n which, as he had al ready stated, was the opinion of several, that was within the power of the Commissioners to report upon. Rut the Honourable Boa toilet (Sir F. Burdett) had aid (with what authority or on what grounds he (Mr. Courtenay) mid net understand) dial the Com missioners had limited shim pare, end had au carried their in quiries so far as their oiannheles encelibil dies to do. He would, however, state that there wee no dhpseitien m&spare of the Com missioners to evade the full discharge of diale . daties ; that there was no one point that could be submitted M ken on which they were not willing to motive evidence, and in as instance where any such evidence had bus diked bad it been objected to or re fused to be received b them. But he would ask what wer e the objects to be attained' by the commission P It was to ascertain to what extent the complaints against the system and practice of the Court of Chancery wet, well founded, and what were the re medies to be applied for correcting them 1 1 and to whom were these inquiries to be submitted ? The Hon. Baronet (Sir F. Burdett) said, why we will take them under our own consideration and in. spection„ and will apply the remedies. But in what way was it that the Hon. Baronet spoke in that large and general sense, when he said "We will do it ?" Did he consider that this House was qualified to enter into these minute inquiries, or that a corumium of country gentlemen up stairs were the most proper persona to remedy the evils complained of ? He had no wish to make a long speech, but he hoped the House would excuse him while he read ode or two passages from a book which had been already noticed by some gentlemen in the course of the d e b a t e on this question. Ile held in his hand a hook which had been attributed to a very able lawyer, he meant Mr. Miller. That gentleman had cur. taihly, in his judgment, taken rather an unfair view of some points relating to the practice of the Court of Chancery, but there was nevertheless passages in it which he thought valuable, and he begged those Honour a bl e Gendemen who had compl a i ne d of the Court of Chancery sot assimilating its practice more closely to that of the Courts of Law, to attend to the opinions of a permi t whose name had been favourably mentioned by Honourable Mem bers on the other side of the House. Mr. Miller observed, that the comparatively late period when the Court of Chancery wu nosh fished, was the reason why its proceedings were more dear, aim plc, and intelligible, than those adopted in the Courts of Corn .nion law, whose remote origin occasioned their proceedings to be incumbered with such ambiguous matter. It was true that a multitude of technicalities and rules had been since introduced into the practice of the Court of Chancery, which had almost entirely destroyed its original simplicity. Whether Hon. Gentlemen would think Mr. Miller. in this passage, to bees good an authority us they were disposed to consider him in sonic miter sues, tie -could not determine, but for the sake of comistency, he thought they ought. isle. Miller proceeded to say, that this was the evil to be remedied, and the only way to remedy it was hr cutting off the technicalities and forms in practice, which hail deformed the whole of the ancient peoceedlnp of the Court. 'f his also was his opinion ; he felt that there were abuses that ought to be removed, so that his view of the subject was confirmed by an author who had been quoted by gentlemen on the opposite aide of the House. Indeed, he thought that it would not be passible to peopose a plan more natural and appropriate, than that which Mr. Miller had suggested. He mentioned this to show that he ad mitted abuses to exist, but his object was not to let the system of equity be altogether destroyed, but to correct those practical abuses which, In the course of a long series of voirs„ had crept in, and to do away with those tedious anomalies which a refined state of society had brought on. He felt anxious to put the case before the House in that correct point of view which every one who wished to examine the subject fairly, would naturally desire. In the course of the debate on a former occasion, the Code Napoleon was alluded to as being simple, intelligible, and proper for imitation. But it appeared that such was not the opinion ~t some very wise and sensible people on the other side of the Atlan tic. Ile held In his hand a book which was written by an Arnett can lawyer of the name of Hoffman, which was entitled "The Practice of the Office and the Duties of a Master in Chancery." In perusing this book, it appeared that our rivals in arms and in com merce had thought they could do nothing better in the establishing their jurisprudence than by adopting that system which wan fol lowed by us. This author lamented that more attention was not paid to rules andsforms; but an opinion prevailed now that such minute particulars were not essential to a good system of jurispru dence; such, however, was not the opinion of the great Lord Bacon. He made and established rules and regulations which his enlarged and philosophical mind deemed to be conducive to great practical good. That philosophy was the best which conde scended to minute particulars, rather than confined itself to broad and general assertions, unsupported by practical experience. It was not a mere idle opinion of his own, but one that had the sanc tion of many very well-informed persons, that the practice of the Court of Chancery required to be examined into and corrected, and that the best and only effectual mode of accomplishing that object Ira, by a Commission of persons acquainted with the subject, and qualified to suggest improvements. Such a Commission, he thought, hail been obtained. Under these circumstances, then, it became the House to consider whether any real advantages would be gained by their withdrawing from the Cermiissioners any of those powers which had been given them, and of their proceeding with the inquiry themselves. He could not see any course which this House could better pursue than that of obtaining the evidence of practical men, and of applying the know ledge and skill of practical persons on the evidence so obtained. It had been obected that the opinion of the Judges on the practice pursued ' in their Courts, to which they were by habit wedded, was not of value. But he thought the Helot would hardly say in the outset, that &Judge's opinion was to he worth nothing. Ile thought some degree of confidence should be placed in the integrity of persons in such high stations, and that they should not be considered capable of becoming the willing instru ments of delusion. He thought the persons appointed on the Coal. mission were perfectly competent to the duties assigned them, and he should be lamely disappointed if they showed en haling, 'Or caused any unnecessary delay. Of this he was quite confident, that they would not relax in their eldeurears to serve the country, notwithstanding the obloquy that might he attempted to be cast upon them, or the epreches that might be made. But should it happen that en unnecessary delay should take place, then would arrive the time when the House would Inc justified in saying, we do now suspect your intentions, and we shall therefore take upon ourselves the duties which we had imposed upon you. But until such a circumstance should mom this House might not, in his opinion, to iatertere with their 4pro ceedings, nos bv any premature measure impede their operations. Dr. LUSH NovoN said he had not yet heard any sufficient meson to persuade him to depart from the great and almost uni versal principle, that publicity and discussion tended to produce good. He considered the discussion of the subject by all manner of persons, the publication of the evidence, and reviews and criti cisms upon that evidence, were likely to promote much benefit, and to afford great assistance to the Commissioners thentselves, and that the more the subject was discussed the more likely they were to attain the great end in view. Hews also one lous to obtain the ed. thence in justice to the Commissioners themselves, in order to show that they had not been remiss in their duties. hut had discharged the trust confided to them with faithfulness and impartiality. The argument that it would be premature to publish the evideoce, was in his opinion erroneous. fur the remaining evidence which was tq be taken was not such as could by possibility affect or render in jurious the publication of the present testimony: for they hail already inquired into the practice and system of the Court, and nothing remained to be done, except to deduce some inferences from the evidence, on which a great diversity of opinions might possibly exist : for these reasons, therefore, he should support the motion of the Honourable Member for Westminster. \i'llether the persons appointed were fit to compose the Commission, he was duly ad ministered in the court of Chancery, three things were necessary. ob jects satri of tl e a rsm e ing t u o ir s'a y y w o e n re e ? word ln ; namely, a good system of law, a prod course of practice, sod a good o b rd ut er he to w h eu av ld e i tz i k ti w re hat the ob- Judge. With respect to the system of the Law of Equity, he thought it was not a subject at present proper to enter into; but for the practice of the Court, that they had very fully investigated. As to the last question, whether they had a good Judge or not,. lie would observe, that undoubtedly, in the words of the Commission, -v I r • I, d 9 V al d ti I. di r p P. di ay In CI IL . th, In La MO mil fli ea the risi to Vi 4 ab to at: of C floc Pro the deb tit anJ 1P(1 s•w OIL chi teri of n Eqi 3 Eld clew Br t) sip till mcc MCI con. LO; Lid upo by bun of I vitt Cha Pal • Witt h s j gard never, or ma been of the urged bait ti been bound: exa - m -- 11 II etre tech yr !lemb — er . 'us he il l side :ed . regr fr o l Mr [ I j ' ll ltit ‘ t ' c that (i Ts abil Ili