The Statesman. — London, England, 1822-07-16 00:00:00

• 1 t' I MWS- been taken in the capture of the Susannah, by the Ran ger rennet cotter, complaining of the severity of the Navigation Laws, and praying that they may be mitiga ted so as to be more consonant with the laws of nations and the rights and liberties of Englishmen. The Hovers stated that they were sailing within fifty miles of the Dutch roast, under Dutch colours, when the Ranger .bred urn them, and killed one man and wounded an wher, to esecetion of a right of search. They stated also, that they had only offended against some techni calities in the law. The Petition was read, and on the question that it be printed, Dr. LUSHINOTON expressed his surprise that this *object was allowed to pepsin silence by the whir side. He had no hesitation in saying, that these individuals if now in prison, were unlawfully so, and if any statute contained provisions authorising their detention, it was contrary to the rights of nations, and the spirit of the British Constitution, and therefore void. In par seance of what was called a light of Search, this fo- TACO vessel, within fifty miles of the Dutch coast, in time of peace, had been treated precisely as though under the eircommances,jleveate bello. And if this were to Ise permitted, he asked, where would be the security for Otitis!' merchantmen from similar treatment at the bands of foreign nations. The Z e man* of LONDONDERRY said, that not having of this case before, he could give no in formation respecting it. He bad no doubt, however, that it would be found that there were eircutustances to justify the imprisonment of the men, but he begged to suggest that !Isere were other ways of abtaining Jus tice, were it not so, then by applying to Parliament.— The fact of British vessel* assuming foreign flags, did no: incept them from the operation of the laws. Tilt LOAD COLLINGWOOD. In answer to a question from Mr. BENNET, The Marquess of LONDONDERRY said, that from the inquiries he had made relative to the reported de tention of the British vessel, the Lord Coliingwoud, by a Spanish privateer, in deanery last, in consequence of the blot 4ade of Buenos Ayres, it appeared that it wee not is any shape connected with the Spanish Colonial Laws, as hail been stated in that house. He bad written immediately to the Spanish Ambassador, who was to tally ignorant of the circumstance, and' was not aware of the existence of any , privateer of the name that had been-stated, nor did he _:now any thing of the blockade. jle received the Caine answer from the Board of Trade, w:d the matter was now in course of investigation by our Minister at Madrid, as well on the part of this Govern ment as on the part of the Spanish Ambassador here.— Ile *wired the lion. Member that the utmost attention was paid to the British Commercial interests in this par ticular, and drain° violation of the rights of the nature' alluded to would be suffered to pass unnoticed. At the same time. lie might observe, that a distinct notification load been made some time bark that this country could not acquiesce in the colonial laws of Spain.—(Hear.) Sir JAMES MACKINTOSH considered the expla nation of the Noble Marquess as of a most gratifying nature; for it was *trimly most necessary to the well being of oar Commercial Interests that they should know that they will he protected against lawless in vasion and interruption. It was of great importance to their security, that in Commercial Laws, rights shonid be merely incident to possession. The Petition was then ordered to be printed. TUB EIRIM6S. Sir JAMES MACKINTOSH said, he rose to present a Petition, which, though signed by few names, and of a novel description, was entitled to the attention of the House, and particularly of the Noble Marquess at the head of the Foreign Department. The Petition was front some individuals at Macclesfield, and couched in 11'41' , 11, but as regarded the house, respectful language, in refereoce to the sufferings of the GreekA.—(ilrar.)— It was in language of that kind in which the feelings of mankind were usually expressed relative to such trans actions, and he was satisfied that the sentiments were such as pervaded all classes of persons in Isis Majesty's dominions, and would be more generally expressed, were it not fur the difficulty that existed of pointing out any practical effects to which it might lead.--(Hear, hear.)--The sentiments he willingly avowed where his own, and although he could not-but see that any inter ruption at present of the genersl tranquillity of Europe, would be a most unspeakable calamity to this country ; yet lie thought that a simultaneous effort of all the Go yeti:m.4os of Europe in favour of that oppressed nation, could not but be effectual. What probability theme might be of nloaining such a combination of the (Jo • ' , eminent' of Europe for so excellent an object, he must leave those who were better acquainted with them to say; but he would venture to assert, that a failure in such a cause would be honourable to any Government ho should make the attempt.—(Hear, hear.)—Such an attempt would be worthy of the Government of such a nation as this, and it would be in the spirit of the an cient policy of this country towards oppressed nations. Territorial security was the only security that could be thought of for the Greeks; for even the despotic sway of the Turkish Divan would be unable to secure from its barbarian subjects the observaece of any stipulated safety. The only way, then, was to give the Greeks possession of their territory, with a guarantee from all the powers of Europe, without being affixed to the in terests of any one.—(hear.) The Petition having been read, Mr. MIME asked if it was true that refuge had been . . - . . . . . refused the flying Greeks ie the lonian I,lands, seeking shelter from their murd . He had received informs- tion to that effect, from good authority; but notwith standing he had said, sod still thought, that the acts of the individual at the head of those Islauds were contrary to the spirit of the British Constitution, and notwith standing all he had said of him, he could not heleive that he could have issued an order so contrary to the princi pies of humanity. He had also heard that morning of • some individual connected with the naval service of this country, having gone out to assist the Turkish fleets.— 'lie hoped this was not true, for it certainly was in• rein'teut upon his Majesty's Government to observe as strict vigilance in this respect with reference to the op pressor*. is they did towards the insurgents. Mr. WILMOT said, lie was utterly unaware of any me.tur- having been taken by the Lord High Commis sioner 1.. repdio• the dying Greek.: from the lonian 'fere erre acts against their permanent real &nee, but be :lid not suppose these would be pot in farce in sue. a case. He certaioly had received noinformetimi up to that morning, to countenance the supposition that the Lord High Co tttttt issioner hod issued any order con trary to the principals of humanity. With reference to the tatter allusion in the speech of the Hun. Member, for Aberdeen, he could only say, in the absence of others more competent, that there was an order of the Admi ralty against any thing of the kind which the Hon. Gen t/nuts had stated to have occurred. Mr. C. HUTCHINSON could nut'permit this tapper , lenity to pass without expressing hi. horror at the con duct of his Majesty's Government in not affording more protection to the Greeks. He considered war in the present state of this country as the greatest calamity that could befal it, except a peace upon dishonourable terms, such as no great empire could long ex i st un d er • with the ssainteeance of character. He gave great cre dit to his Majesty's Government f. r the exertions at Constantinople to maintain peace betwixt floosie and Turkey. But if the object of those exertions were havoc on the one side. with impunity to the ()the', be proclaim ed It conduct disgraceful and anti-christian. He called upon his Maje sty ' s Ministers to declare upon th e ir bowie, whither the establishment of peace between PSNIIMININIMOM Turkey and Russia I-ft the Greek• open to maseacr'e, or if that had been specially provided for. If Dot, he should say there was no free spirit in that house, if it prorogued before obtaining. a guarantee in favour of that unfortu nate people. He would tell the people of this country, 'offering as be knew they were, that pease under such circumstances was ► dishonour' to them. He did not expect any thing from Ministers; he appealed to the people. H. held the policy of Ministers ever since the peace in abhorrence—they had been doing all they coal to violate the most sacred principles of right. He appealed, therefore, not to them, but to men such as the Hon. Member for Bramber (Mr. Wilberforce) opposite, who was not lost to every sense of religion and honour. The despots of Europe he knew had succeeded every where but in this country, io crushing the germs of liberty. He was rejoiced see the struggles against tyranny making in Spin and elsewhere; and he hoped to see the tables of both houses loaded with petitions on this subject, to awake them from their lethargy, and rouse them to exert their influence to check the further effusion Ottoman blood.—(Hear !) Mr. WI BERFORCE said, that as the Hon. Gentleman bad appealed to him, be begged to assure him that hi could not feel more warmly un this subject than he did. —(blear!)—He thoug ht , indeed, that there could be but one oni I feeling to that house, and its Europe, in favour of the unfortunate Greeks.—(Hear. bear.)—At the same dinette could not say that he thought it was the exact line of conduct to pursue for this country to tut orage in war; but be knew of no occasion in Which the efforts of the country could be employed in a more holy cease, than to endeavour to confine the infidelsof Turkey beyond the boundaries of the Christian world, within their Asiatic dominions.—[The Hon. Member eras inau dible in the gallery at the conclusion of his epeech.l The Marquess of WNDON DERRY protested against the practice of entering into a discussion of so compre hensive a question upon the occasion of a petition be ing presented. He could not avoid, however, remark ing on the readiness of the ft realest friends of peace in that house, at times to plunge into the bloodiest tsars. His Hon. Friend (Mr. Wilberforce) had disclosed to them a problem to drive into Asia the whole population of European Turkey, to the number of four or five mil lions of infidels, nose who knew something of the character of these barbarian", might perhaps think that they would not be disposed to yield williag obedience to the mandate of European Sovereigns for their trans portation. After the bloody war they Lad seen termi nated, if such an attempt were made, their prospects of a long peace would, he feared, be found premature. He should not, however, allow himself to be led Into the discussion of a question, which both politicallTor mo rally Was as large as any which could occupy his mind. The house would do injustice to his Majesty's Ministers, if they supposed that their efforts at Coostaotiaople were confined to prevent war between Turkey and Rua sia.—(Hear.) He could not, however, coincide with the Hon. Member's (Mr. Hutchinson) views relative to the management of the Foreign Department, and of the politics of Europe. It must not be supposed that the barbarities of the Turks were without parallel or pro- vocation, and that nothing was to be deplored in this war but their atrocities. The Greeks were certainly making efforts to free them.etves from that thraldom under which their state could not but be that of misery, and in the efforts to mitigate their sufferings by this Government, it was to he borne in mind, that the Rulers of their enemies, the Turks, enormous as was their de spotic power, could not always put in execution what they were willing to do, through the mass of prejudice and passion with which they bad to contend. Bat still the works of ferocity and cruelty which had sparked this war os the part of the Greeks, were of the most painful nature. It was not to be supp osed that the tide of bar barity flowed only in one irectioo. It this ionntry were-wild enough to embark in a crusade to elision& good order in that country, the whole power of Europe would not tie able to control the effervescence of the elements of discord that would be excited. He called upon Parliament to keep its mind temperate and cool on the question. They had done much for the peace of the world, and might rely upon it that his Majesty's Government would do all they possibly could to preserve the general tranquillity with the security of the Greeks; —(Hear, hear,)—although they were not sanguine in their expectations of accomplishing the banishment of the population of European Turkey into the Asiatic provinces. Sir RO:;ERT WILSON was convinced. that the Greeks, with proper assistance. might establish their emancipation. Ile hoped, however, that orders would he given to maintain a fair neutrality in the lonian Islands. Lord A. HAMILTON ob d, that if hebad rightly understood the Noble Marquess to say that the whole of the Holy Alliance bad not influence enough to pro- cure from the Turkish Government the cessation of their atrocities, it followed of course that the war between that power and the Greeks could not stop till the anni hilation of one or the other party. Whatever the No- Me Lord might intend with regard to the lonian islands, he must say,that lie did note:client that a fair neutrality would be preserved. Sir R.IVILSON asked whether the same respect would be paid to the Greek flag, as had been to the South American? The Marquess of LONDONDERRY said, that the regulations for a rigid neutrality had been made with regard to the lonian Islands, and if the Noble Lord op posite knew of any circumstance of a contrary ten dency, he hoped he would mention it with a view to its being examined. He knew of no interference that had taken place with regard to the Greek Commercial flag. Neutrality was also observed to armed vessels of both powers. The Petition was then ordered to be printed. 8188 BILL. Mr. WESTERN presented Petitions from the Vic tuallers of almost every town in Ess►x against the Beer Bill. Ile begged leave to sly, that he was decidedly fa— vourable to the principle of the Bill, and should vote for sending it to a Committee. Mr. BROUGHAbI assured the house that he had no doubt of these petitioners expressing the sincere senti ments of the real petitioners, who were the brewers. B u f•-w of the Licensed Victuallers, he believed, felt otherwise than well disposed towards the Bill, at least %Itch „ as their interest. lie was strongly confirmed in Otis view of tile case from a letter he haJ received from a Brewer's Licensed Victualer, which informed him tiro it was the practice of the great Brewers io his neigh bourhood to sign those Victuallers names to their peti tions, which they could not otherwise obtain ; and that his name had been signed after his ►efusal to do so with out seeing the paper. There was then a postscript stating the undersigned to beg to subscribe their names, praying th4t the Brewers' Monopoly might be discon tinued. This shewed (he might go more into the sub ject on a future day) that there were two classes of Li• reused Innkeepers, the one managing property of their own, the other being entrusted with that of the Brewers. The first was against any thing being being done that might affect the monopoly at present enjoyed by the brewers; but this was by no means the case with the second class, who wished for an open trade, that they might be at liberty to buy and sell a good w►olesome beverage, instead of that which was now in the first in s ance forced on thepublican, and subsequently, through his weans, on the public, to the injury both of the vic tualler and himself, who were in consequence forced from the ale-house to the gin-shop. He bad attended to all the objections urged against the bill, and every rea -1 son for it (without exception) one after the other, rising i 1 STATESMA N. one above another, made, in his judgment, in favour of the bill. He hail received many letters on this subject. one of the Ist of which stated that'which was to this effect—" that no person would go to the alehouse if Par liament should enable him to paradise good beer at a rit indler's shop, and therefore the brewer most be knocked up." It was assumed that hettlr beer would if this bill pas eI, be sold at chandlers' shops than the brewer would put at the disposal of the publican. A second reason urged against the bill was, that no man would send his daughter to an alehense for porter, if she could get it by going to a place where she would meet with more decent company, which it was supposed would be the case, if beer were to be purchased at a chandler's shop. The first objection to the bill was that it would injure the sale of had beer : the second, that it would tend to preserve the morals of the poor, as ti.e pour man would send his daughter to the chandler's shop, where she was le.s liable to be corrupted, than if sent to the alehouse. He now thought he bad made oat what be bad stated that the reasons urged against the bill made in its favour. Fur the regulations which might be necessary to guard against injuring any property that demanded protection, these would be fur the consider ation of the Committee, and in the Committee no men would be more anxious than himself to remove every just ground of complaint on that account. The petitions were. ordered to lie on the table. HIGHGATE CHAPEL BILL. Mr. WESTERN presented a petition egainat the Highgate Cbaprl Bill. from certain inhabitaute of High gate, Hornery. Islingtot., and Sit. Pancras. This pe. Olio,* was ordered to be referred to the Committee on the Bill. .... Mr. HUME presented a petition from the Housekeepers of Kensington. against the provisions of the County Court Bill.—Ordered to lie on the table. Mr. Serjrant ONSLOW presented a petition frets:the Licensed Victuallers of Kingatuu•on.Thanes against the Beer Bill. Mr. BROUGHAM said the parties from whom this petition came were likely to he tinder the Influence of Brewers. lie knew of one p4rish in which there were 49 Brewers' houses, and ooe free house. The petition was ordered to lie on the table. Mr. WODZHOUSg and 31r. CROKKR prosented similar petitions from the city of Bath, and from an individual, a Brewer at Portsmouth.—Ordered to be printed. IRISIICONSTAHLIES On the motion of Mr. Secretary Plum, the Report of the Irish Constables Bill was tali•n into further consi deration, and agreed to, and the Bill ordered to be read a third time to-morrow. IRISH INSURRECTION ACT. Mr. GOULBUIIN moved the order of the day for reading the Irish Insurrection Bill a third time. Mr. C. H. HUTCHINSON, 'without approving of those disorders in Ireland, which no legal man could view but with feelings of deep regret, felt it necessary to explain the motives which regulated his conduct.— He considered the house to be now in possession of the measures which the Government meant to propose in the present Session of Parliament—looking at three, lie had ne hesitation in saying,that enough had not been ae for the relief of Ireland. It was now twenty-two years since the Union, which was intended to consolidate the interests of the two islands, bnt the hopes held out to Ireland were not realized. He did not aterihe the fa mine which now prevailed to the measures of Ministers ; nor did he quarrel with Ministers for not effecting a commutation of tithes, but what he quarrelled with them for was this, that they had never enquired into the situ. ation of Ireland, till they were compelled to do so by some impending calamity. He complained that the promise held out in the King's Speech, at the beginning of the Session, had not been made good. lie contended that the Irishman was made of good stuff—was fit to be trusted, and if his good qualities were obscured. it only proved that there was something radically wrong in the system of Government. He dissented from the Secre tary of State for the Home Department. sod the Noble Marquess, who thought that Ireland -had already en gaged enough of the attention of Parliament, and that all had been done that could be done. He eulogised the Marquess of Wellesley, but maintained that, is a public man, be (Mr. Hutchinson) was bound to oppose his call for the renewal of the Insurrection Act. He was glad tbat•the Act when passed would be committed to humane Magistrates, and to an enlightened Lord Lieutenant,hut this was not enough for him. Before be voted for this Bill lie wished to see that more had been accomplished for the relief of Ireland than had hitherto been dose. While the present fearful distress prevailed in !retold. if the public money could afford relief it was the duty of Parliament not to suffer the people of Ireland to come to their bar as mendicants, but to relieve them to the very last shilling. He denied that Ireland had profited as she ought to have done from her connection with England. The evils which had oppressed her were in fact such that it was time theliovernment should retrace its steps, and that a course the f that which had hitherto been pursued should be taken.— Transportation and death were not the means of correct ing the evils which existed. These were not the expe dients to which a good governmennt would have re course ; they only served to prove the absence of all Go vernment. He objected to the several provisions of the Insurrection Act, but one of the greeted objections which he had to it grew out of the insults to which fe• males were exposed under it. He had seen soldiers and others enter a hut where a whole family reposed in one room ; the women—the grown up daughteri—the bro thers, and the other members of the family. Thus cir cumstanced, respect for decency was still preserved ; but when the soldiers with a Magistrate had entered one of these cabins of misery, he himself had seen the females, who were its inmates, obliged to quit it, in a state of per feet nudity that their beds might be searched. The In surrection Aet could not be carried into effect without producing such scenes. He did net wish to withhold from Government the powers which they bad a right to chin►; het what he declared before such a law as that now called for was passed, was this—that such an en quiry should take place, as would (lie was convinced such would be the case), make every man in Ireland loyal. He was grateful for the manner in which the distress of Ireland had been taken np in England, and especially for the manner in which English Members had reeved themselves. What he desired was, that an enquiry into the state of Ireland should take place—that a Commission of English Gentlemen should take the subject in 1)...nd. They could not be better employed, and the result would tie aoni e measure which would con fer impereant benefits on Ireland. lie did not underva lue the dangers to which the loyal were exposed. He could not view the disturbances which had taken place , with horror, and was anxious that every means should be need to put them down. But lie conteoded the duty of the Government did not end there. They ought to take other measures, and endeavour to get at the rout of the evil. This Bill gave the Lor.. Lieutenant a power which lie ought not to possess. The oth e r measu res which the Session had produced, Were inefficient. The Tithes Leasing Bill lie thought a very useless measure. lie considered it objectionable in many respects. But he, notwithstanding, took it such as it was a boon. and thanked Ministers, for in this he recognised a disposi tion on the part of Ministers to do something to relieve the distresses of Ireland. He hoped it would be follow ed up by a measure for commuting the tithes. Ile felt that he should not have done his duty, had be not depre cated the passing of the Bill before tke House, before an inquiry bad been instituted into the state of Ireland, with a view of getting at the root of the evil. and siftin g the :rieramees comp lained of to the bottom, I. order to . . 11 . . • '1 2 • • . vnanl against their Ld 1 i ` i ■t *nue future pa. Mr. MONCK tbosght the present Bill might beg., crimy to check the evil complained af, but lie regretted that it would not mlk, at the root. The cause of the evil he believed to be the redundant population, w hi c h exceeded that of any other part of the world. While the people of Ireland were contented with potatoes, in stead of being corn-fed like every other people of En. rope. he feared the calamities now experienced would he of frequent re, greener. He was sorry that Irish landlords were nut more in the habit of living on their estates than they had been of late years. An evil like that now felt in Ireland would he prevented in this cons try by the humane interference of the laws. It was hard on this country that, besides maintaining its own poor, it should be called on to relieve the sufferinc portlatien of Ireland. But saving this, he was far from wislen• that this country should abate its exertions to as s i s t the' Irish, where a calamity of such magnitude was to be met. The Irish Gentlemen were of opinion, that its England the subject was not understood. He had read a letter two days ago, which said, Give us the h ew . rectioee Art (or the rich and potatoes for the poor, and we bees all we desire." Ile, how. ver, did net wish the pour to beet potatoes,he wished them to have corn—to be fed on bread. l'e vapid not say that the Poor Laws ought to be introduced 'into Ireland, as at that moment he feared their operation would reduce those who were non considered rich to the level of the poor. Colonel TRENCH coincided in the view which the Hon. Gentleman who had last spoken took of the causes of the distress which now arevaileil in Ireland, but he thought that this 11111 °axial to pais as a measure of De cessii v ; anal not only as a memere of necessity but as one of mercy. The evils which afflicted Ireland were of two kinds—the one was capable of being diminished by legislative influence—the other was not. Among the former he considered the state of the magistrecy—the tithes—and the want of edecarion among the poor. The. her Was the absentees (the nitutherof ahem would be increased by say effort to dimitilek thew), the high rents, and the manner in which the poor mete neglected by those who ought to protect and inform them. He hose testimony to the natural excellen:e of the Irish character, and the meritorions exertions of the Hibernian Society to diffuse the blessing, of Christian knowledre, and the light of education, which were among the moo important means of ameliorating the cortili:ion of Ire land. Our of the must crying evils h 3.1 scarcely been alluded to, though the remedy war in the bends of the Chancellor of the Excheipter. The evil was the Exeis. Laws, anal the remedy would he found by lirensing small stills. By such a measure the revenue would not suffer, as in that case the acitve young men, who now (cornea an army hostile to the law and the 1.1 trarnmeta,•would be on its side. 'I hoie who paid for a melt erill siotthl be active to see that others did not profit by illicit di , - tillation. He approved of the Bill, and was cunvinced that in the hands of the present Governmeat were was no danger of its powers being misapplied. Mr. WILBERFORCE spoke in favour of reading Cie Bill a third time, but in so low a tone that he eoula riot be beard distinctly io the gallery. lie deplored the pre. sent distress of Ireland, declared it was impossible for any man to with that distress removed more anxious!! than he did, but the powers of the Insurrection :l et ap peared necessary to him to prevent the downtall of Go vernment and law altogether. Mr. R. MARTIN concurs el in the eulogiurn amid the Hon. Member for Cork had pronounced on the cha racter of the Lord Lientenaot of Ireland, but complained of the objectious urged against all the Ineuneres which had been brought forward for the relief of Ireland. lie particularly regretted the amendments (if it were not a blonder to call them so) which had been made in the Irish Constables Bill. It had originally been proposed in it to give power to appoint a salaried Magistratr, on any extraordinary emergency. This would, his Lis opi nion, have been advantageous, as he was sorry to confe-s that as the Magistracy of Ireland was at present consti. toted, a parte man would probably not °bait n justice with the same promptness as a rich 11143 would. It was then important that a Magis'rate should be appointed, who would fill a more neutral situation. lie would ask any Irish Maeistrate (being like himself, a County Member) if it would not be a great relief to him to be able to say to those who pressed their affairs on his consideration, " I have not time to attend to your cause myself ; but there is a gentleman —go to him, and von will obtaie prompt justice at his hands." The salaried Magistrate would be the Magistrate for the poor man in Ireland.— He begged pardon for deviating from the subject before the house; bat ate two Bills had been discussed tor titer by others, and acting as he bad done, he had only followed the example set by others. He thought that the keeping people in their houses at night were only for their pwn good. The poor were not armed against the rich, bat against each other; and to keep them from each ether, was the hest measure that could he adopted for their good. For these reasons he should support the Bill. Mr. W. SMITH funnel himself in a dilemma as to tl vote be should give upon this question. He believed the Insurrection Act to be in a great degree a measure of mercy.—(Hear!)--.lle thought also that the state of Ireland demanded it. But the powers which had for. merly been placed in the hands of Goverument, bad been so aboard, that be could not but hesitate at inclining the risk of a repetition of the events to which he allud ed. In his opinion the Indemnity Act which followed them was an indelible stain upon the country. When he spoke of those Acts, and the abuse of power then die. played, be did not at all mean to implicate the present Irian Government, or to say that any part of their con duct partook of his suspicions. lie did not expect that any thing which could be done for Ireland would give her immediate relief. It must take the operation of a century, under the hest and wisest management, to cure the evils of four or live centuries of misgovernment. The Marquess of LONDONDERRY rose to make one or two observations upon the ioipulicy of rev. ring to the painful events and circnitisrinces connected with the Irish Rebellion, upon an occision like the present. lie could tell the Hon. Member that there was no abuse, Cr e►eo exercise of the power entrusted to the Government, in the acts which were perpetrated at the time of the re hellion, and %%hick he should he the last to countenance or defend. They were not abuses of power, hut acts of s•li-defence, slthou,h of a nature which all lived to de plore. With regard to the Indemnity Act, he had the honour of bring a Minister at the time it was brought in, and he was desirous of t..king all the odium which attached to it ilium himself. He should have heen ash enr d if, tt hen he brought down a Bill for pan dm ihe Irish rebels for their acts of plunder. and word. r, am! tebedion—if he land not also brought down an Act of ladramity for Magistrates, who were compelled to r-sur., in wlhdefence, to measures of me lancholy severity. The Act of Irdemnit)• was cot ap plied to its lividUA vises, beet to the general state of Ire land. lie would ask the Hon. Member what he would have thought of any Minister, who, after pardoning re bels and the disleyal , had left the Magistrates and those who opposed them unprotected ?—(11-ar !) Mr. DENNIS BROWNE supported the Bill. Mr. SPRING RICE said that be would agree tint the Act of Indemnity, or the time which required could not he looked back to without pain, sod be bor.' they would not revert to them, except u mom of anus logy. As to tie acts of atrocity committed during she rebellion, lie would put it to the house, would not simi lar barbarities be practised in any other country in the same melancholy situation as Ireland then was? He considered that the body of the Irish Magistracy se 2,,,m,,