The Statesman. — London, England, 1812-04-25 00:00:00

OWN , faits reeolutions respecting the wetter of 'voting for their representatives, and only to support those who advanced their claims. Might they not enter into a combination not to vote for any one who did not sup port their establishment? Suppose, owthe other hand, the Protestants entered into st . combination for the opposite purpose, what then airould be the situation of Ireland? lie denied that (from the opinions coin. municated to him) the majority of the Protestants of Ireland were in favour of this measure; 'but he did not deny that a time might come, when, by pru. dente nod education, these claims might he eon ceded; the time might come when he hoped a consi. drivable change would take place in the Roman Ca tholic mind ; the time might come when they would renounce the authority of the Pope. He had hopes that this period was fast approaching, but until the confluent was settled, he did not tide's it safe to grant them these concessions. Was this prejudice? 11'es this superstition ? Was this bigotry ? lie bad no motives of hostility against them—he would be happy to confer any thing In his power upon them — be was not actuated by any animosity or hostility against them—he opposed them only upon pure con stitutional and political principles; and upon these principles, and these principles only, he opposed the present motion. [This speech was concluded with loud cheering front most parts of the house,] Mr. WHITBREAD bailed the triumph of the Catholics as approaching, since the very torch of opposition in the Right lion. Gentleman began to burn dimly, and become extinct. He denied that the Resolution proposed was adcaptandum, and defended it as the only mode of proceeding, consistent with the rules of the House. He accused the Minister and his friends of having violated the Constitution, ire using the. Kind's name to influence their debates, and yet he dared to challenge them for referring to what hai been done by the Prince of Wales, and not by the Prince Regent. He said an expectation had been held out to the people of Ireland, who were taught' to believe their disabilities would at this period be removed. Through this the Prince had been the idol of the people, and when they expected their services to be taken lute consideration, must they not feel s.a'rprised at seeing him retain the Minister in the kingdom the most hostile to their Claims, with the exception of the one with whom that Right Hon. Gentleman had lately combined, and who had fallen into the ranks behind him. Was it extraordinary that the people of Ireland should he disappointed, and that they should reg ret the selection he had made, the very reverse of what had been expected from him when Prince of Wales? They were the only two in the kingdom opposed to the Catholic claims. Men who would shut their eyes to the situation of the country, and open them only to tke paltry publications which they read, and commented upon their odious paragraphs, as if they spoke the language of the Catholics of Ireland, The Right Honoursble Gentleman (the Chancellor of the Ex= chequer) said, he would take the opinion of Dr. O'Connor against that of all the Catholics of Ire land ; it might be his conviction, but he would differ from every perioe that wished to be considered as baring common sense, On the conclusion of his speech, he would not say that the Catholics should never have einaniripation ; but he told them, that when Europe was at peace, and when Catholics be came Protestants, they might have it. Another ar gument of the Right Honourable Gentleman was equelly preposterous, in requiring that the Catholics should give up the Pope—he might as well talk of ii Catholic without * Pope, as the Protestant Church without a head. He also had adverted to the power of the Catholic voters in Ireland, and said, that it might be thought he felt sore at the declaration they had made. lie (Mr. W.) had raid it, and thought it just that they would not vote for any person to represent them ii Parliament who would not support Catholic Emancipation, and oppose his Majesty's present Ministers. as this to be wondered at, when. they knew who WB3 Prime Minister—a man that was the only barrier to their claims ? It might bo indecorous to speak of the Prince Regent, but it could not he of his appointments; he had appointed a 111 i lister who was the only barrier to the prayer of the Petitioners. However opposed to the mea sure, he had the generosity to acknowledge, that some of the Catholics of Ireland, from their edu colon, had become so enlightened, that they were worthy of consideration ; but that the lower Orders of the people were not entitled to the same House, He had beard doctrines held in that House, that negroes had equal capacities with the natives of England ; and would it be said, that na tives of Ireland were inferior to negroes ?—Without being figurative, he would not say that it was neces pry for them to he caught and tamed, as expressed by an Honourable Gentleman (Mr. Fuller); for, ' take the lowest Irish peasant, he would be found possessed of that which every man was proud of, he msant honesty and fidelity—dike them . 11 teldtllß' life, they soared above any part of the Empire, by , education the inuate talent was drawn out, unknown by the possessor, but a gem to the community *t large. So much eloquence had been heard on this question, particularly from a Ndbte Lord (Binning), and au lioeourable Gentleman (Mr. Vernon), it might he considered affectation if he was to attempt to enlarge on the subject. It had done them burner tal honour. How would the Catholics of Ireland ex ult, when they read the speech of his Hon. Friend (Mr. Vernon), whom he was proud to have the ho nour of calling by that name !—They well knew he I, the son of the Archbishop of York, brought up p ah.r the careful eye of his father, and such were the principles he had imbibed. He was almost at a loss which he should admire more, the grounds of his speech, or the language and manner it was delivered in. Ile concluded by pointing out, in glowing terms, the necessity there was, for appointing a Committee to enquirointo the causes of the complaints which had been so strongly surged by the Petitioners, than which, a mere reasonable proposition he could not well conceive. fiord faIISTLEREAGH, in a sheet speech, is the course of which, in allusion to the assertion that had 101111. 1 1Plagif bleitoyalHighness ha clog given I sem* esseie,e(the - Ronan C•113011C1' esiggivo, gist ft was highly 1111 y 18114111111 a tkiP Pliant ' r ippoo, 1p **an the 4 1011) s view es cam " 1 11 :411004 Is 4 For - Front the Extraordinary Gazette, printed yostif day forenoon, though not issued till the ',realm, and which we have given at full lengt in our first page, it will be seen that the loss of the Allied Army, at the storming of Badajos alone, amoosited to nearly 4,000 men, a small proportion of, whkh were Portugerese. We, have private letters of ref 'sent gate, which estimate the loss on that °cation ealF at 'Vet in killed, wounded, 40 *Ugh every real Mewl of serioaaly to sulk alma, Ca 4 Init. of bum* blood, oven loweit ellkel l o l % !Se *NS We hesitate mot tq my, !kg - Pies 2 0 , 0 1 0' THE STAT.ES44* LONDinit 11,4.TURDAY, r~ , . 4 , . 48ilavinggivenaPkidgeto It is a Vella. OM oan Catholics of Ireland, stry , *m o m vocoostitetional to make ''- atry • a . 4a m It 01 0 his Royal High - , *— to 1 Sovonlign Power of IC, . 04 .., le, i Is quothon the ~. lb. 7 """" — _ l ._„.. tr It ittriliture grief We ) * ln (41ip , r THE STATESMAN. virtual accession to the Throne. If any such pledge was given by that Illustrious Character, the persons who had communicated it to the Roman Whelk', had been guilty 'of a breach of confidence, had acted with inconsistency and indiscretion, and ought to be answerable for any consequences which that commit. nication might have given rise to. Mr. PONSONBY, though not lutending to de tain the House, could not pass in silence the obser. rations of the Noble Lord, that the pledge o; the High Personage alluded to, was au unconstitutional argument. Lord C. had said, if such a pledge was ever given, it must have been made known to the Catholics only by those whose indiscretion made it public, The Noble Lord seemed little acquainted with the sub ject; but whether he had stated this from his igno rance of the transactions, or the information of others, the assertion was false and unfounded.--fit was made public, not by indiscretion, bat by positive 1 command.—[Hear, hear!]—He, for one, and the Noble Duke then at the head of the Irish Govern ment, for another, had it in command to make known to the Irish Catholics, the sentiments a nd opinions I of that distinguished Personage with respect to their claims. He did not accuse this illastrious Person. age—(recce murinurs]—he did not presume to no. cuse that great Personage of impropriety and incon sistency. He might have since chauged his 'pinion; but the assertion of tire Noble Lord Was without truth. The Noble Lord had told them that he had always been of opinion that the claims of the Catho lics ought not to be granted, but on condition. The question now, however, was only for a Committee, and the Noble Lord had not communicated to them any of , those conditions he thought necessary.--- [Hear, hear!] • Lord CASTLEREAGH still maintained that it was unconstitutional to refer to any thing done by the Prince of Wales in order to impeach his conduct now as Regent. [Hear, hear!] Whether the °ore , munication had been made from command, or indis creet zeal of the alleged pledge, appeared to him im material, and it only remained for him to ask u hat the Right Hon. Gentleman meant by saying his as sertion was false ? The SPEAKER said, the House certainly re quired some explanation. Mr. PONSONBY stated, that he did not cer tainly mean the words offensively. He used them only in a Parliamentary sense, and meant that wherever the Noble Lord got the information, or whoever had communicated it to him, it was false. Lord CASTLEREAGH was satisfied, if the Right Hon. Gentleman used the words only in t o Parlia mentary sense. Mr. CANNING, in a speech replete with the most brilliant eloqueece, which, in consequence of the late hour intbe morning when he rose, we regret we Cannotinsert arlength, supported the Motion, on the ground that it did not ask for any unconditional sur render of principle. It was well known that there existed in the very core of Ireland disappointments and heart-burnings, and the question was simply, whether these should be taken into consideration ? IThe system.' the penal laws was not et a settled, ' but of a careless and desultory architql3wie; If a fa bric so erected did stand, it shewed that human skill was worse than chance itself. If a proposition for temporary arrangement was agreed to, why, he asked, was that refused with scorn, which would give trim quillity to millions of people ? The blots in our code of laws were to be taken away, not so much for the relief of the Catholics as for the sake of clearing the . reputation of the country. Ip the conclusion of his admirable speech, he commented on the Petitions of the two Universities, which he shewed to be founded in a mistake of'what was desired by the Motion, and ended with reading, from the Parliamentary Regis ' ter , the last public words of Mr. Pitt, In favour of i the Catholic Claims, declaring his entire coincidence with that lamented Statesman, and of course that he would rote for going into a Committee. After Mr. Canning sat down, Mr. STUART WORTLEY begged to ask a ques tion of the Right Honourable Gentleman (Mr. Pon sonby.) He had spoken of some instructions having been communicated to him by the Prince of Wales. He (Mr. W.) wished to know whether this had hap ; poned while the Right honourable Gentleman was Lord Chancellor of Ireland, and while the Noble Duke he had alluded to was Lord Lieutenaut. Mr. PONSONSY having answered in the affirma. live Mr. STUART WORTLEY said, then in commu nicating to the Roman Catholics what had been offi cially imparted to him, he (Mr. W.) must be allow. ad to observe, that the Right Honourable Gentleman, to say the least of it, had acted a more indiscreet part. Mr. GRATTAN did not think it necessary, after the energetic speech of the Right lion. Gentleman (Canning) to trouble the House with a word in re- Ply- - The House then guided, For the motion Against it . - Majority against theisoilist Adjourned at Six o'Clock. Sr, NtA ita.- Hails, et Ms Pubic Von. NAPOLION is called to recollection, that his object for procrastinating the war in the Penin sula was to exhaust our means of attack and de fence, where is the man that does not discover in the military operations prosecuted there ever since this declaration, a complete realization of BOWA PARTE% threats ? British soldiers have done all that they dared to do, or that any other soldiers ! were capable of accom plishing ; but, alas ! their i limited number give us no room to expect that they will ultimately prevail. It is said, ani the expectation is very natural, that I the taking of Ciudad Rodrigo and Badajos, must excite a general rising among the natives to expel their in. l i vaders. We confess, however, Is hen we contem. 1 plate the past, we have little hopes of the future.— ! I The inhabitants of Spain and Portugal are as lases. Bible at this moment to their wrongs, as they have [been during the whole of the contest. Ciudad Re. drign was left in ,their handsi after British blood had been heroically shed in taking it. It is now known that they have altogether neglected the defence of that place. Badajos must also be delivered up to them, because 41re-climate is too unhealthy for one troops. What security then have we, in these air. . cumstanees, that a fortress which has already cost us so much, will not as easily fall again into the hands of the enemy, as it did when it was garrisoned last year by the Spanish troops? By the arrival of two. Lisbon Mails this forenoon, we have received Portuguese Papers to the 12th inst. The following are their principal contents : LISBON, TWO O'CLoCK, A. X. 137 n APRIL. lima! Badajos is ours; it fell before British/ 1 courage, directed by British skill, between the hour* of eight and twelve on the night of the 6th Init. The particulars are not known. 9111 APRIL. TELEGRAPHIC DISPATCHES, 7th APRIL, 1812: Elvas, half-past two, morning—liadajos taken by assault in the night between the 6th and 7th inst.— Camp at Badajos—Lord WI LI.INGTOV. ELVAS, FOUR O'CLOCK ATTER VOON.--PHILIPPOIL is now entering with his Staff, prisoners—Victory. &rig Aran* ELYAS, HALF-P IST FOUR O'CLOCK AFTEttWOON.--• Yesterday, in the afternoon, arrived here 117 Of. fivers, and 2,938 soldiers, made prisoners in Bade., jos.—This morning P . HILIPPOV, and all the prisoners set out for Lisbon.—( Liston Gazette, April 9.). APRIL 10. Yesterday we had the indescribable happiness oil annotinciag the fall of llaclajos, after twenty-one days open trenches, and thirteen days firing; . aftei • contending for eight days against terrible tempeite: wes weather, and many other difficulties. Lord Ww.r.r.ruGrorr has, if possible, exceeded himself in the conquest of this place: there are few examples of conquests being made so rapidly as those of Ciudad Rodrigo and Bleil t io6. The importance of this last place is excessive : it covers the Alentejo, and is one of the principal roads to Lisbon ; it will restore the province of Estremadura, which is of the first import. awe, on account of its fertility, and afford the mesas of organising the sth army. Madrid, the centre of Spain, on one side, and the Michrlusias on the other, will remain exposed to be invaded, and the French, will be in continual alarm. Its influence upon the Spanish Government, and the protection it will hold out to the loyal inhabitants is excessive, and will ex. tend in its consequences to the mountains of Navarre and Catalonia. In other ages the restoration of Spain began from North to South, in the present it ! is destined to commence at the West and proceed to the East.—(Lisbon Gazette, April 10.) Arlin 11. According to letters of the Bth, from Ems, the assault made upon Badajos was dreadful. The breaches were assaulted,and the walls scaled. The castle appears to have been the first point taken, in conse quence of whisth the French, who defended the breach, found themselves attacked from different points, and were obliged to give way ; a dreadful slaughter then took place in the streets and the frightful cenfusion was aggravated by the dark: ness of the night. It is asserted thatour loss in killed and wounded amount to one thousand :Aso immunised", among whearbpare five or six Galls*l rats, all wounded slightly except one; some letio7 say, that two Generals were badly wounded, togs. they with six or seven Colonels and many Officers..oi It is said the French sprang two mines. As the 44,2 1 cial dispatches bare not yet been published, we caw., not vouch for these . particulars; all we know for senates is, that the allied troops carried their valour and boldness to the most heroic pitch, and that their ateetion and sentiments of love for their immortal Chief eve such as cannot be expressed by words. Nothing can resist him; be will Always cnuquer,-- (Same Paper ' '1 has been obliged to evacuate Azu-g t.- DaJurr a'l retired to Constantine., whidh he entered on the 28th, with the greater part of his troops. It is said that SOULT will go from Seville into Estremadura, leaving in that city only a garrison of civic guards.—(Lit. bon Gazette, April 7.) DREADFUL STATE OF THE COUNTY, We have just received information, that Ministers are in possession of accounts from Yorkshire, which represent that county to be in a most alarming state, The whole of the West Riding is said to he in the pm. session of the rioters, who are reported to be col. looted together to the amount of 130,000, and t , have been joined by the Local Militia. It likewise rumoured, that there has been a serlott, affray In Cheshire with the military and the populace, in which fifty persons were killed and wounded on both sides, and the soldiers d r i ve , from the scene of action. We give these statements merely as they reached us, without vouching for their lat!thenticity. This much we know, that the Oxford Blues hate been sent down to Yorkshire, to que!l 40me tumults there. From Mauchester we have re calved several letters which confirm the melancholy insult of the riots at Middleton. Sixteen persoos appear to have lost their ikes, and the wounded are ascertained to have amounted to about thirty, Some disturbances also took place at Rochdale, on but, on the appearance of a party of the Cumber. land Militia, and the Riot Act being read, the mob dispersed, without doing more damage than breakiwg a few panes of glass. •—•••■111111ftre. It is mast painftil to learn from Lord Wstaxtr TON'S Dispatch, that the Civil Authorities of the Pro" :vines of Alentejo had failed '‘ to perform their duty, and-supply the army with means of transport. The letters by the Anholt Mall were delivered yes. terday. Mr. THORNTON, on the 6th instant, made his public entry into Stotliholte, and on the Bth he was invited to a Royal bouquet, at which the CaI:MS PRINCR presided anti at which the Itussian Anibss. sador, General Von Suonvaix, was one of the sitors. ' The Helene, just arrived }Rom Jumaica, brings an ',account of a contagious distemper having made its appeurance in the crew of the Rein Deer, on that station ; but that its farther progress had been stop. pod, and the remaining crew belonging to that sloop were nearly in a convalescent state. In addition to the cavalry re:ngoreements formerly mentioned, the following very fine remounts are into mediate) y ordered to Portsmouth and Plymouth, to embark for Portugal, viz, lst „ 4O tom to embark at Portalsouth• Yd Ditto 9th Light Braga,* 11, to e m bark at Plystooth, 1/th Ditto „ —llO ditto. 11th Ditto ~..160 CU*, 18th Ditto,. • ••••,..100 ditto. 14th Ditto, 65 ditto, 16th Ditto ~..100 ditto, Aid ....... ..192 boner ditto. Lord MOIRA has, we utkieretand, received a letter from his Royal Highness theAracwr, duthorising his Lordship to sta . ., thathis Royal Highness's tens fitments on the Catholic Question are wholly un. changed and continue unaltered,—{publin carter* pendent. Earl Moms, it is said, intends to part with his house in town, and retire to Scotland, where he will reside in future. • The Corporation of Cork have onaniewnwlY egrieft to petition Parliament mph* the monopoly of the East India Company, Mr. Jorsary Common connoilanan for Bridge Ward, reqgestS es to state, that he was not present I when the Address was brought forward and carried on the 17th test, $4! LES, Laseasitti, aticomex. %Sr. EDMUND DRA YTON, At the Avelino art, near the Bank, on WEDNESDATs April 29 at Twelve Two Brtek-built DiVELLIN. G GROUSES, ti , some Nor. 8 and 9. Terno•di•roreet, Clerkentrell, in Of oerapatioe of Ales" Gaily and Carter; And TH It ME HOUSE* in Perec.street, bring 8.1, and 9. In the oceirpration of Mew". Ferran, Marchese, and Hat rm. pro ducing II reed 01441. per 'mem. May be vi ewed ON days pergedinc the Pale, leapt of the Tenant% and printed Pnrikulars had all the Prevniwai Jan, Smithfield; and of Mr, lirayinn, Arrtme Marl. tl To Flour Factors. Bakers. _purl Other .—looms acid tiooolo of t old-establisbed flatters' blur. Barbican s and (114- street. 4 . By Mr. EDMOICD DRAYTON. At the Auctiou Mart, neat Ole- Rank. W Y. April 99. IEII2. by Order of the A s signees of Joseph H !fn ar r ~* Batt t, tWil LOS , • Lot I.l'l ISPS D bAek-buitt. WELIANG , N./ )!OUSE: and .11A KER's SHOP. de:nobly siteste No. 49, Beech-stmt, Barbican, occupying an extensive front age, with the good-sill of a superior old.estutilished Trodge "nib two excellent ovens attnched, sod every other appendsile necessary fur the prosecutitin of a concern of to4istoloor , on lease for a term of nine years and a half from LadY•Ohl last, aod Hallett to a low rent. * fast 2. A Leasehold brick-Du/ 1(0W FILING hOUSE. with Baker's Shop and detached iiiiikOtouse, and ten-bushel O.ess siluate No. 10, George's-row, 43,d-tirect. St. Luker, in the centre of an improving 'and populous neighbourhood. held on lean for n term of eleven years and three q uarters, fru* Midstantuer day next, and subject to a low rent. May be viewed ten days prectdiiiz the hale I :Ind o r printettithe i Particulars had on the Paemescs; of Mr. Duff, Solicit 1 artsissiiie, Hearhinder hoar t Mr. Porother, Solicitor, Lose anatee, Feethurch-street ; and of Mr. Drayton, Auctiots - 9 .4pril 11.) saline, to BANKS OF THE GUADIANA, Aiatil. . -:T4t . ,7' Frectiplda and Lesoefinitia. al Wilkair. On the 22d ult. twenty-two Gen, d'Arm4 left • '?,. By air. EDNUND DRAYTON. • V a l li! DE! F e ?. r , .1 I Weet.•Snuvr at Utrem. At ten in the ' aAprilAS:isilliTihic:lvet, in Inta he ,►by li anir:.r , that Qeneral arrived frith learning of the 234 NO a Leasehol4 Pricl,built I)NVEL , stag, At night there was a council of ' Generals, .. w../ mr. Re.„ l43 o G ,or t d tooBB.eliltillly *illinte No. 14 . orie "" w" dill whose resolutions we are unacquainted. It is .i... " 2 " bith ' treel ' 13Hrlinn " ""."I ' IlAckil4 "41 ' ill "14 his ! fl4_or.m.lnpme,orsiin, deerosed, said that the st a t e of the French forces in Andalusia i °.`ll.essrliluird ih;stire'aitfti'vti)WF.t.t.tv;llol/SF.,aits ititser?s Is - es follows :—There are from 17 to 18,000 dis- 3 " i ' nd d "inine t. let "" kw 'Q fa ": M R " )4 t c.." . posable troops i . 10,000 to oppose BALLAsTEIIOII I.FA RIIO D 1400 its litilribrib-,arert, lei at will to 4,060 et, (h,pp r i cis and 400 . i;, garrison at each cal-i thee. 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