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rant any such demand. Thom wet...versa other places in the judicial departnainkoOrich called much more Rir a reformations ° ' Th. Judges of Wales acre without a conspetenrailary, and the attention of the Legislatitre would be with much more justice dinicted to she remedy of this evil. The SOLIcITONA.;ENIMAL Of SCuTLAND con tended, at great length, tluit the Court of Esche seer being - by the Act of Union recognised as the Supreme Court of that country, the Judges of this Court, shove all others, „should not bo onsittcd iu the provisions of the present Bill, as it was most necessary such men should be altogether out of the reach of either favour or ministerial influence. Mr. ABERAROMIHM again repeated his former objections, and maintained, there was nothing invi dious in the distinction intended to be made.— Should the duties of this Court become at any time laborious, he would have no objection to vote for such • provision. Mr. RO6Z contended the Barons of that Court )sad assistant and important duties to perlicrus, end from his knowledge of several of the Barons them selves, he could assert that they felt the doty at least proportioned to that of ether Courts iu that coontlT. Sir g. Bourtt v thought no Sheriff of a county in Scotland, had so little judicial business to trans act as the Barons of this Court, and should there fore suppor t the amendment. Mr. AMES thought them rather a Board of Revenue than a Court ofJuitice, and henee consi dered it a waste of the public money, to include these Learned Gentlemen withiu the provisiou of the present bill. The CHANCELLOR lathe Excntotme argued in favour of the right of thellarous of the Exchequer to a share in the general provision, and contended it would be very unjust and impolitic to exclude them. The Barons of the Exchcqucs had judicial ao well as ministerial duties to perform, and gave up the profitable pursuits of the legal professioa Oa entering upon their offices. lie strenuously re commended the measure to the consicleration of a )iberal Perliameut, as one absolutely cl e ees ,, or y f or the preservation of the judicial dignity of the eountry. Mr. WtribITAII thought that the argument . drawn in favour of these Judges, from similar grants made to other Judger, beauewhat resembled Me arrogance of the potatoe in the fable, exclaim ing...os See how we pippins swim." They, in fast, were not Judges ; and as to the frinclamentail nooeseity there elevated for a plurality to form a getsroae, it truly reminded him of the story of a gentleman, who, ioquiring of his servant Jack what be was doing' be answered, " Nothing, Sir ;" *, And what is Tom doing then ?"..-c• H e ~, k e l p . log me, Sir." There, in fact, was nothing to be dace in the judicial capacity ; end therefore such a revision was an antseersvary waste of public money. Mr. L oses spoke in favour niche Motion, and p dis w then took place upTs Sir John ;NeaParet - aseendtnent, to exclUde thr Barons of the Exeho quer from the annuity to be granted to the Judges : Agate the Amendoest, 114 thr it, - 41 *Or* is Siam of the MAW% - 44 Upoo our return to the gallery, we found the House in a Committee of WAYS AND MEANS. _ In which it was resolved to more far leave to bring is Bills in conformity with the resolutions of yes terday. Tim Report was brought up, agreed to, cad Bilb stirred accosdingly. MILATAIIT COMNIMION. The Ciaancoutort of the Exasetura stated, that a All had been lately passed, both in that House. sad the House of Lords, continuing the Bill for ap sating Military Commissioorni of Inqeiry, but wWch by some inadvertency bad been omitted amongst those Bills which received the Royal As sent resterdaY ; and as that Commission hail. in the interval, expired, it now became necessary to bring in a Bill to rewire the former Act. To Ai, he eon ceired there could be uo objection. He should ac cordingly move for leave to bring in such a Bill, without the formality of a previous notice. The Setnala thought it proper to state, that it was contrary to the constitution and rules of both Houses. that Bills, which bad actually passed in each of them, should be allowed to lie upon the table of the other House, without any notice being paid to them, or the Royal assent given ; but as this was stated to be mere matter of accident. in the present instance, it would be for the House to de termine what line ought to be pursued. Mr. PONIONSY proposed that some official statement should be made of this circumstance It s ;t e lie Journals of the House, as it might be as a precedeat, and be attended with die advantageoas comiel twee's. The Smuts* & , d, that the House were not at present warranted to do so, as they had no do cument before them. Aker some further observations from Mr. Pon sonar sad the CHIAN CSLLOR of the Fannon mt. the former expressed himself satisfied, and leave was given to bring in the Bill. Mr. Hussman then brought in the Bill, which was read a tint and secood time, committed, re ported, and ordered to be ingrossed. VACCINATION. Sir Tnostas Tula** presented • Petition from the London Vaccination lastitutioa, stating. that 'it was formed in the metropolis in 1799, in order **promote the extension of vaccine inoculation, by supplying the proper virus gratuitously through out the empire--that they had sixteen stations in London, at which 2568 persons had the begat of in•Fulation (banal . la 4 year, and that the matter bad been supplied to SU9I applicants through out the kingdom. besides medical tnen in various quarters, together with a great many i n th e a r m y and navy, amounting in all to upwards of Ml,tino actually inoculated. and therefore praying persons protection of the House in auy measure about to be adopted upon this subject. Upon this petition being read, bin Ftit.Los opposed its being laid upon the alleging, that the petitioners were impostors Mid swindler.. He said the Rot al Jennerian Se amy had been instituted in 1603. under time au spices of Dr. Jeoner ; but that these w ere persons formerly belonging to it, who bud erected thornselteA into another soca ; he knew not whether it silo .liar the purpose of Luling sozeo!:at were convivial.. odor the ptitpose of sttiodliug bial and other indivi duals out of the guineaseldwription. This Sum he had been induced to givc front his seeing the re spectable natne of the Duke of 'Richmond antoogrt the number of subscribers ; but tii.ding afterwards that, instead of being the Jeunerian Society, it aas composed of a parcel of swindlers and QuakeN, he demanded back his tire ;vine" and threatened to si•nd them to Liow-street. This they complied with, bid he war still convinced they were only picking the pockets of individuals, and therefore their petition ouAlit to be resisted. Sir 'faunas l'uarron viiidieuteil the character of the petitioners from the aspersions thrown out against them, and suited how mach the public were indebted to their laudable and lin um tic cser tions, by dirtributing the proper vaccine vre% gra tis throughout the kingdom. The Jeaticrnin in stitution had been eNtablished iu 1/403, while this one war establi,hed in 179 and altimugh coin. posed mostly of Qltali...ra, a more orde: - Iy set of men never existed. There were also a number of medi cal men of the fiat rerpectability amongst them. Ile could venture to assure the Hou: flelitcinan, that ou imposition W11:4 intended to Ix practi;ed by the revertalde persons who signed, the pe tition. At all events, Out lion. Gentleman had nothing to complain of, as lie had got his tive gui neas 'aurora. _ . . The Petition was then laid upon the table. Mr. Rom, some time afterwards stated, that it was his intention this day to hare submitted a mei tion as to t h is subject. but from a communication he had had with those acquainted with the nature of it, sou►e further ielerinatiou was deemed neces sary. His object was to render etwcination as ef fectual tu votsible to the public, by establishing a central institution, for the purpose of disseminating the proper wirer to persons appl i Cir it, without the least expense; as the numerous mischiefs that had taken place from that mode of inoculation I:ad been more owing to the use of improper rims than to any other cause. He had gm partiality to one institution more than another; but he should sub mit, that the whole should he under the Hl:lunge meet of a certain number of the Colleges of Sar geons and Physicians of London. Pc should postpone his motion to Thursday uext. -IRISH GLEBE 1101'SES RILI- Sir AiIt ?MYR IVIiLLLiLLY moved the reading of the Lords Amendments upon this Bill. It ap peared, from the statement of the Speaker, that one of these amendments related to money mat ters, sad therefore infrietwAl upoei the privile t zes of the House, which must he fatal to ill:. Bill. Sir Arthur %Vet Lesley then moved, That these amersihne.its to: taken into consideration this day three months." - This being agreed to, he ohtaitied leave to bring in another Bill, worded in a manner suitable to the Lord.' amendments. This Bilt was brought in, passed, and ordered to the Lords. OYSTERS. Mr. WE3TEIII4 edits lintre to brig; inn iil fnr the more elrectual protectinn of the Oyster Fishery. His object was to declare the Isompon the subject of deprediti ions upon tii.! oyster beds. and to make them felonies, instead of toeing pu nished by merely imposing fines of .n 0 for each miince. Leave was given to bring in the Tilt. EAST INDIA COMPANY. Mr. CREEVEY, pursuant to his notice, moved for a copy of the exposition of the East India Company • affaira, at hoMe and abroad, signed by their Secretary, anal laid before the Select Com mittee upon Ea 4 India Mina's. Ile stated, that in consequence of the report which had been made by that Coinazittee, of which he had been a mem ber, the House would soon be called upon to rote for a large sum of money to enable the East India Company to pay their debts, and it was therefore certainly necessary that the public should know the real state of their distresses, from an authentic document. After this paper had been 1.. ;t1 before a Committee, it had been 'suggested that the most proper mode would he for the Company to present a petition to the House, upon which the Committee should found their Repiart. This ass accordingly done ; but the statement of their affairs, as .et tortilla' that petition, varied so exceedius 4 ly from their original one. previon,ly Oven by their Secretary, that he thought the production of that document absolute- ly nefetisary. hart year there had beets no India _ ..... _ Budget laid before the House. If the statetnent in their petition was to he the substitute ft* it, he should only say. that delusive as the Budget gene rally was, that !macrame was still more so, and therefore the public had a right to see this exposi tion. In it they stated, that their whole embarrass ments arose from the conduct of the Government abroad in India, under the Board of Controul at home iu 1754. He saw no possible objection that could be made to this production. Upon the motion being read from time Chair, Mr. DrNDAs coin:newel with saying, it did appear to hint and the other Gt.eitlenum on the Comasittec, with the exception of the Hon. Gen tleman, that the paper moved for did not relate to the First Report. The paper loosed for certainly went to the whole of the India affairs, bat it re ferred to affairs abroad, that no documents could be produced to support, until they were received from India. It also went to the 'balance of debt„ due by the colutt7 us the Company. It would be perfectly improper that the paper should be laid before the House, without the deco ineuts relative to the finances in the East Indies. Ile concluded by observing. that the question for the Committee to determine, waanot whether the Czrnatic war was a politic or an impolitic one, or whether the conduct o f t h e Marquis \YcUr.ley pt 7 1 ,1.7 or not—but to consider on the , ailitire of the Indio ('onspany. and to report, to the best mif their judgment, the best mode of relieving th.mi. Lord ARCHIBALD CI iaturov so;d, he •h•svii i Tht the question was one at the u:tst eo.l,equencts. The Hon. Gent's wan hid stated biany rem why it was superfluous !ro lay the paper before the House. The question with him was not whether this was the proper time, 1 ut he thotted the /louse onexht to have the ltest and eirliest juror motion but he was to 0it . ....h.aw iv., sup port from the present motion, if he rece!ted any goarantee that the Report v olld not he acted uutil sup., nscd nr."cr Imte fo r th e p . o . „'..n.tioa of toe l :ever bta: z..uve this assurance, he would support tie notion of his lionottmlide Friend. • Mr. DVNDAS spoke in explanation, and said, it was big intention to give ootice, that in a Com mittee of 'Supply he won't' move that the siren due by the (;ortatiment should be paid to the Eist India Company-, and he thought the paper moved for, no: being bud before the Haase, could nut be any preventive to the measure. Mr. IV tI.UERFOUCE thought the Committee bad ailed perfectly right in not laying the 'raper be fore the House ; ruder which consideratiou be would oppose the motion. Mr. %%. INDIUM tosopotted the motion. Mr. Punt:var. opposed the motion, on the ground that the Members were nut to possession of the Report, u it was ordered to he printed, and not Pet delivered, and it was impossible, without knowing the substance of 6.. Report, to say whe ther the paper moved for was necessary fur their information or not. . . Mr. Wit:OllAM spoke in explanation. Lord FOLKESTONE Spoke at length in favour of the motion, and observed, that he did not under stand what the Hon. Gentlemen at the head of the Board of Contralti meant by saying he would move for the re-payment of the debts due to the Fast bubo Company. Although he had not the Report of the Committee in his hand, he understood it went much farther, so as to recommend a loan to an extent that lie thought it would be dangerous for that Hour to concede to. He concluded by observing, that he thought the motion war highly commendable, and it should have his support. Sir JOHN ANSTICTIIER opposed the motion, on the ground that it went to prejudice the opinions of members on the debate that would ensue on the report of the Committee. Mr. Tleanev opposed the measure. Being one of the Committee, he must say belied never known more facility sheen, or more publicity given, than aas by the ).)praetors of the East India Company to the Committee. lie .poke as one of them, and thunlit the motion was eel improper one ; he would feel happy if his Honourable Friend would a itialraw hie motion. Mr. PONSONOT thought the Hon. Moyer was I highly commendable in bringing foward the !no tion. He only wished, that the House should bays the aurae info:motion he had, and then form their own opiaions. He thOUght it 0131teeeSaMty that the lions, should have every information on the subject, and if the country was indebted to the Company, he wished they should be paid to the last shilltsig ; at the saint time lie did slot approve of pressing- the motion before the Report of the Committee was pefectly understood. He would, therefore, hope, that his . Hon. Friend would with draw 'en. mOttoo. Mr. Com.yr.ir, under the consideration - that the subject would be again taken into discussion when the report w h ambrought up, consented to withdraw his mention. Mr. Rosati THORNTON contended that the state of the East India Company was so reduced as to jnstify or warrant the strong language used by the lion. Member, when he thought proper to de clare it in a bankrupt state. BANK OF IRELAND. TAM HENRY PETTY was anxious to hive the order of the day on the Irii.h National liauk Char ter read. Mr. FO4TIIR mot the CHANCELLOR. of the F.I- coequals thought, in the exhausted state of the House, from the numerous debates which had re cently taken place, to postpone the discussion of the subject to a future day, perhaps meat Wedues day. there was a loud rry of Proceed ! Proceed ! and, on the suggestion of Lord Hemel( Parry. Mr. Fonts moved the order of the day for the House resolving itself into a Committee to consider certain resolutions relative to the renewal of the Charter of the Bank of Ireland. On the motion being put, Lord II;;Nae NM rose, and spoke to the fol lowing effect :—" Mr. Speaker, I rise to propose that ilistructions should be given to this Commit tee, to consider of a provision which should enable Ilia Majesty's Catholic subjects of Ireland to hold the situations of Governors and Directors of the Bank of that country. On a former occasion the merits of this 'imposition hod received a very full and ample discussion ; a discussion which, in its re sult, will, I trust, tend to convey the language of conciliation to that country, where it must be the feeling mid wish of almost every man in this House to encourage such a prins.iple.— When I reflect on the decision which the Legis lature has recently 'sawed on the petitions of the Irish Roman Catholn.n, and when I recollect that many of those who felt strong objections to the. grant of the ulterior measlier, still declared a wil lingness to make detailed concessions, and to enter into arrangements Which were not impeded by these questions of diihculty that stood in the way of the final accomplishment of the Catholic hopes, I do feel it now my duty to make my present propo sition as consistent a ith the general feeling of the . House, and not liable to those leudiug objections alone applicable to the prayer of the general pe tition. It ass advanced, on a former evening, in opposition to this concession, that the Charter of the Bank was of very long standing, and that ao attempt hail been either made or wished for to new-model its provisions. That Charter, I believe, was granted in the year 178:2, a period not likely to afford the precedent for li beral feelings: and when the whole of the Penal Code against l'opery was raging in Ireland in full force. In the year 1793, alter a deter mined refusal on the part of the Government of that day to concede any of their rights to the Irish Catholics, a change, as sudden as the liner refusal was absolute, opened to that descriptitio of subjects many of the most respect able Mikes of state, *object to certain exceptions. The words of that statute give to them the right of being members of every lay-corporate body, with the exception of that of the University of We have heard of a difference of °pi llion existing with respect to th.• legal interpreta tion of that statute, particularly as applicable to the Bank o' Ire!aiiil ; and from what I have learned from soine of those able persons who at that period took a had in these discussions in the 1-ish Parliament, it does aparar that it ails the lute:it:oil of tl I.,•gislaturc to grata to Cotha4ics the fill p articipation ne,the . office,' is the 13snk. Indeed it ants been well aacertaiited that the oa s t, legal reason for their present es - elusiou ha s ie st,d; unsen from the omission in that Act of the meta Charter. My preaeut object is, therefore, to can. into effect hoth what the Irish Parliament had i:t that time determined to give, and whet the la. : , Catholics, from the spirit and meaning of the enactment of 1793, had good reason to exist.% But we have beet: tills!, front a certain quaint;, that the more advisable plat. woo to leave Ili!, question at it then stood ; that is, unused tamed s. to feet, whether the Irish Catholic had she rig , ..l or net. That it was more advisable tu recog.i. z that system of doubt and darkness, and least th e people of Ireland in a state of io'noranet a a to the exercise of that right. Could the consisteotly with its duties, act upon sudt advice? Could it, with propriety, agree to con tinue that omission, winch had, iu tad-en place through inadvertence, and thus at this .L 1 to concert into design and intention that which purely accidental. With respect to the eligibility of the present proposition, little has been savt i. those who had objected to it, and that little is 1 4 , from beiugconclusive. We had !nerd much of the difference between this and Warr layscorponeions, of the dose couuection between it cud the jr.. vernment, and of the naturally great political importance it must participate. Sudi a ton nesiou, I presume, will be found to proceed from a stroug feeling of a 'community of inte rest, and is, of all others, that which a wise Go verutuent ought to encourage iu that class of fel ' low-subjects, inasmuch us it is the brat guarantee of their loyalty and attachment. If there be a• danger, it would arise, in a coustitutionel point ai Yew, from too great a suhserriency of such pel,i.y bodies to the existing Minister of the day. But surely if ever there was a Moment • when t:,., House ought to avail itself of such an effort as ,t is now, that, from recent circumstances, nitre exists amongst them such a marked sensibility to every thing that is passing in this House, in its rc mute4 degree affect ng them, cheat ; as it were, that hotly of people saw every motion of this Home iu a mirror, where every act was exagw rated. ;Hid the colouriug considelably hei4litened. et, notwithstaudiug the intemperate Linguae, of setae individuals in this House, the Irish Catholics I ok with entasiikrable couthlerice to the of ectiono and iirratectiou of the United Legislature ; and with sa tisfaction I can assert, that svhatevcr difference of ispiuhet might exist on a particular question, thee are in this limier scarce any. who could wish to retread the steps of religions bigotry, aid to les the wasted Eames of religious persecution--1 !kyr Lear! Lear!) That WYr our true policy and 1e.,: consolation. The ties which connected this cow , try with the powers of the continent are rent asoo der, and that stupendous fabric, the work of ma turiee, which was called civilise d Europe, is now suloveited. There are services of another, and, I trust, of a lore agreeable nature to be performed. Peace has victories as much revered as those of war ; and in the triumph of that principle Great Britniu hos still much to conquer. We have to conquer prejudices against our fellow-subject', and to insure• that success which can only be ottained by the coneentraticn and union of the energies of all. The Noble Lord cone:tided ter inovios. That it be giveu as an instruction to the Conainsttee, to take the present applicatiuo into their immediate coosideration.' Mr. Font* spoke briefly ardrist the motion. on the ground that it was undesired and one:diet! far, noel violated the old Charter of the Bank o: Ireland. . The question was then loudly called for, a:,(1 stran g ers were withdrawing, when The Cosacst.hoa !of the EICSEQUiII rose, in oppoaitiou to the motion s and is u speech of ose hour and thirty minutes; (during which time number of members toot their seats ou the Blinn- Wrist' benches) recapitulated the eanmis ars;unie:T.4 which have been advanced, and the iitnnsosts sh jectit.ns which had been wade against this Tenets %ion. Lie concluded by asserting. thst were he a l'rotestant in a Catholic countrs, hew ouid use el his political power* to obtain, by tryst ;mans, the advancement of his own religion, and the subver sion of the establishment which existed. Lord Veiny Yam—° What, though you we; e on oath to the contrary ?" Mr. GRATTAN observed. that he would net take up the time of the House in reply to the Right Honourable Gentleman more than four minatis— Meer ! hear I—The question was not whether the Irish Catholic petitioned fur this privilege but that the Legislature should net quarrel ud:i him by the refusal. To refuse him in this, was to tickle him in these little nerves, in which the poli tical frame was so peculiarly susceptible. With respect to the inducements of the Right Ho nourable Gentleman. if he was ' , laced as a Pro testant. under a Popish establishment, I must take the liberty to controdict his assertiona for the sake of his principles: even were he so sa ttiated, with his pride and property interested in the existence of the religious establishment, and with himself sworn fur the condonation of that establishment, it would be impossible that he could exert the political power he par sessed to the subversion of the opposite religion, either by violeuce or by legal steins. The Irish Catholics did not petition for these trilling concessions. but thence it did by no mea:lt f s low that they would not wish to receive there. The very meaning of the Act of 179$ cods-roll upon them the °Sees in the Bonk; for if that Par liament denied them, it would be the most not:- sentient that ever existed in the annals of Legishi tiori. To the argument of she other Bight floe. Gentleman (Mr. Foster) I shall only say, that it amounts to this, that b !cause one hundred years ago the Catholics of England were excluded from offices, therefore s similar restriction outrb! now to ha imposed on the Irish Catholics--/Ha' /war !) I shall not deign to make any termer comment on such a position. The Cu A vcrt.l.olt of the EICRIERETR and Lrel Ilv KY PETTY explaiursl. After which the Ilex , ' divided on the motion of Lord Henry Petty— Asrs Nee* IS 96 MJorits is In oar of Minister. l.l The other Orden o'the Tnv 'etre 01.1 d 1 +l" . •• of, as,d at /we •'t Lit. t.,t 110-hr r