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, 1 • •- -,t 4 v4437 , .1--... Y-1 • -.:41;.•• - _2lla. • • nymenent on the various rates of fees in the Court of Exchequer. In page eleven of the Report they would find the classification of the total fees in the Court of Exchequer. The total ;mount of fees was 96. Thirteen of these were take.' at the some late as in 1734, thirty-eight at incretried rates, two ot diminished rates, twenty-four had ceased alto gether, cud nineteen were without any precedent, quite new fees. With respect to the fees that were 4: betished al/needier, the-Comtaiiitoortrs realarked, that spine of them lied grown entirely out of des . use, and the others so rare as to he almost quite Sfirprecliteffie,"idd ffia.kei lei which there was no vrecedentc were anotiarittiiely of considerable wersouitt. The first reselutiOn he should propose liselned to the lk.es of sfrerifs ; and he thought it neceitieer. isk - contlettr, to mate, that the present Chief Baritshatf flit iiitrochiced this fee. It was setroduced ity his preeltelesiliir.-;- ( Hear. henr.)-- sltuttfire did not apeleir tei . hies to alter the case. 11. indeed; the anti:Met of 'the fee had been doubt ful, then, indeed, the Metre of his predecessor might be some -pielbation. But there was an express statute itettifSeo. I.) on the itthject. mid the nsisteessince of hie, predec• sow Wee tin inetification. The Learned Judge:ni his Iteni letter, had stetted; that So b.SI ieri ff. .trod not coast; Within the Mousing of the statute. Bet •the statute was explicit, for it stated that, in Order to liscilitite %ail% in the perforaimice of their datieri,Stetf-Slieriffs shoeld be appointed, ;Ind then senseneriteelbe wariness ft.es which the 8.00116 is the Ertclirreuer wire - allosied to receive. The Mfrs* of Sher iff Wardle of cOnsiderable burden, and artalteseuently undertaken With reluctance, and the Legishienre. in murder to lighten the burden., hail • appointed re 4epnty. These was another mode in which the Chief BY rto r bad attempted to sc. couht for these fee., namely, that his brother, Mr. Civet , O'Grady, had charged some of the free, not erflicially, lint profestintialfy. However ou this point elan the Art woo explicit, for wherever it was intended that professional fees shook, be 'mid it expressly atatedit. To engerestrihr and making op the Rolls, for lustattee, regular fees had been annexed. The Hon. Gentleman then saferteetto the sittings of , . Judges in their ehambers. duce the introductiun of which consideralde'abonitions had been made. The • Report of the Cannensiotiers had stated, that its some insonsices charges hail bees made for 'lat ter sigtitonres when they had Hot been affixed :. if This were true, melon% could require explamitiost more, and if not, the statement of the Commis. .ioners most be discredited. He next came to the inibjeet of decrees, and if he could Lie allowed to venture on the depths of a question that belonged entirely to Gessilethen of the Law, he sleuth! with tot state •is few partieularr. The first preceeding Wow, to set a Souse down for hearing, and tivally it Wei broweit tii'it decree; and then the exemplifies. Woo of a decree; Accenting to the Act of 1734, two fres Were appointed : For perusing a decree, if: ed.; for the exemplification, 6.. Bd.—of course, • until it came to the exemplification. but one fee %Weald be charged, however the Report stated that the double fee bad beets charged fur one duty. In :he case of the passing of a. Bill in that House, it world appear s.range if • Bill Were eharged us !me nus pu.sed %stitch never came to a third reading. it was vale and absurd to confound, aa hatf been at tempted in the Medi page of the Chief Baron's fitter, the twerdoetimentr. They were &resent in every respect ; different to the eye, one. being 'waled, the other slot, o n e stamped differently from the other. His next resolution should refer to tile practice of charging British currency on the fees nod iii junifiCitiun of this percher he had set tip the practice of his predices'apor ; bat this he thought was dither an aggravatibm - If a master discovered thst Pis steward hail charged the" tenants more than the sent he paid to shire.. this would be a very proper ground of interferen'Ce 'mi . the part of the master, bit not for the . pirpose of 'confirming the fraud. 'the next point was the "bills of coot. The Chief Baroo asserts that i.e charged for no bill which his jirederesser had not. His resolutions did not make Oil assertions, they merely included the Report of time Commissioner,. On this point the Chief Huron end the Coninsisstooese mute at valiance. The fees • were received by the ullie:r, mud handed over to the crier for the benefit 'of else Chi4f Barest. The usher did Hot include them in his return, nor the crier, because the fees were slot for them. and the money was not seceieed by Min; het by the usher, lb be disposed, a by him:— (flFak, bear.)—He had now srooe through the whole of the liesolutious ; send in doing so, he had endeavoured to state a:tithing that was not necessary,. and omitted tiothing essential' to the undenstauding of the question. The Chief Baron has stated in hi. /etter that his fees We're reduced, while the fees of the other Judges were increased. But the Report of the Comanstionets was quite different. There waa'the Chief j'estice (Dower"), and it was a mat ter of pride and sitisfaction to beer testimony to hit character; his Satiny was 5./e3f., the Chief Justice of the Common Pleas, 5,6.11/., and the Chief Baron 6,6721. He bad now gone through all . the statements, and be could again assuret be Home that nothing bnt a sense of duty could in• deiee him to bring it forward, fur he was sure no man would be dispesed to colloid, r it as a party queseimoi.—(Hear. /sear.)—He must coufess he thought the letter of the Chief Baron came in • tiler a " questionable drupe." Hitherto it hod is the cu.toew for the Report to be shown to the Ofiis %Verret Court.. It wes done in the King's ~... Is and Common Pleas, and be presumed also t* s • ... 4, i fi e Exchequer and th e only answer they h a d is '''" ; ---i th Iry -if the Chief Br Th Ile• that a gentleman of the name of Pollock, ts'Ao, until that unfortunate occurrence took place, bore a most excellent character, was dismissed from his office. It hid been clearly proved that Mr. Pol lock had followed the example of his predecessors, yet the Chief Baron dismissed him from his si tuat and irbeChief Just ice removed him from another office in consequence of the stigma cast upon his character. Dere was one revenue bill of cams which had beeu divided into Tositeets by the Chief Heron, on each of which cases he had received a separate fee, waking the whole re lease amount to 45/. After some further statements from the Report, lie proceeded to observe, that it might not be advisable for him to say what would be the best course for the House to adopt ; it would suffice to have laid the facts before them, sad leave the House to choose it own couese.— Utter, hear, kear.)—if he succeeded in getting the Corn. millet to adopt the statements, he apprehended that some thing must be done thereitpou. As far, however. as the consideration of an ulterior measure to be founded on these facts weir, though perfectly willing, and without any affec tation of diffidence, 11111.101111 10 leave it to be decided by more experienced persons, lie still bad an opinion of his own. It would be preciptlate and indecorous in him to pro pose it without some previous ex/skean . Assuming tha ease of delinqueney to he cited, astablished against the Chief Baron, some other steps must he taken; matters could not rest here. The words of the Chief Baron's letter were (mite suited to the occasion. After acknowledging she charges owl imputations of the Report to have been brought forwrod by hunt sable men under the best mu. tiles, lie admitted that they had shiwn the greatest relue fence on so doing, •nd that, in unsay instances they hail themselves furnished tisanes. The hater Weld UIII to state the Chief Baron's couvictio• that there was a middle Course which might be taken with oat accused of public defalcation, between ',enlistment and acquittal, by allowing the party to go bark into obscurity; bat that be deprecated, that sort of judicial purgatory whipent .• great public officer might pei lisps lie placed, which implied that he was too bad lo be trusted, mud uot bad enough to be punished. The letter te thered as • some, of jostificetiou to 4$ Geo. 111. He errolil not see what connexion there was between that statist, and the ease be had been sluing to the House. !fatty meth con nexion maid be established, Ise was happy to see the Hon. and Leaned Member fur Barnstaple iie his place, ready, as he hoped, to effect that object, for the experieuce of the Hon. and Learned Member upon a case on which be was Counsel for the Chief Baron in the nurse of Curds, meet have Made him master or all . t he arguments which that source could furnish. Crating the remedy to the suggostimis of the experienced and trailed persuus whom he saw around him, and thanking the House sincerely for the attention which hail been thews him, he concluded by snoring a series of Resolutions respecting the alterations made by the Chief Bacon of the Exclequer its Ireland in the fees of his COWL The CHAIRMAN then pot the first Resolution. Mr. O'GRADY claimed the kindest iudidgence of the House while slating the reamers which Ire bad for opposite' one and all of the Hewlett' submitted. Under any eir eIIIIISIIIIM, he must litre felt must unwilling to address a Committee of the House of Commons, because of the scare which he bad of his ivability to make such an address with advantage to the cause he might undereke, or with satiates. lion to the House. He looped fur their most patine alien. lion, as it arose from necessity, said was by no means of his own accord that he came forward, and as he was ready to promise that he would occupy no enure of their time and attest ion than were accessary fur. the defence which it had devolved on hem to make. Every one who knew the profes sion to which be behoved, knew that lie was then about to embark in an element in which he never had embarked lee. foie, and fur which he had never been intended or qualifii d by any part of hie past life. He would begin by remarking that the Honourable Gentleman. who Hail brought this sobject forward need not to have taken such extraordi nary pains as he used to guard himself from scruples, as to the unfairness or partiality of his conduct. lie (Mr. ('Grady) would be ashamed to question the motives, or attribute meanness in any way to one who, from a sense of duly, had undertaken (to use his owst expression) to drag before the judgenem of the nation an individual holding a high judicial station. He felt his deficiency of legal know ledge is sedesvostring to meet the simentent of the Hos. Gentleman. lie would not, however, accept of the compli ments made to the talcuts of the Clod Woos by the Hou.'Grutleman, while he withheld the chat Jeer of lire ority ; would be sorry to accept. any eumpliments un behalf of the Chief Baron which were to be pureiresed at so dear • rate. The Chief Baron's character must nut he com plimented on the a are of prufessional ability, while sub jected to inspotatittas of the mealiest and must insignificant exactions. Unseensiumed as lie was to address AN assembly, Ire feared lest he might be lcd into any impeopet observations lit commenting.nu the stetement of the and the Report of the Commissioners. fle gave every credit to the latter fur the mutires whirls had guided them, and be admitted the candour of the Hon. Gentleman on the course whirl, he had lake,.. They had dime their duty with the most lionumable intentions; mad any irsegulartiea which he might discover its hie researches into their Report, he was ready to impute to the emboli-rimming situation in which they were placed, and habits of life ill-muted to qualify the.o fur an examination halo aßkirs of such miliuteuess as those which came under their consideration. IV here he fumed the upii. Moos of the Courts and of the Commissioner* at issue, he must, on the other baud, be allowed to attribute mere wr etches. to those of the Judges, es bring far better qualified to determine on minute forms and matters of usage. The Reports of the C0101111;1110DeF4 had been prepared with jumpily, sad as far as that went were entirely faultless. But admitting that they were altogether so, they would form no grounds fur • legal prosecution whatever. He considered that fact proved by the case of Yulloek, whom ihe Atturuey-General had beet, called on. to prosecute on the Report: The Court of Exclimpore re fined the application of the Attorney-General on the occa sion,. as the evidence contained in the Report had beets taken under compulsory process, a n d the parties were not legally miswerable for the commas of their evidence. The Alturney-General was told that if he could found aey charges by evidence on the sugersitolis of the Report, the case would be head, but that the lietHll4 Wile 110 erideace. The case was brought forward, mid a coue.ution took place upon separate evidence : a plain prod' that the Report was held to be no grimed for a criminal pomentiott. *lime was • ease still stronger, that of Sir .1 Galbraith, it bids went before the twelve Judges, who decided that the Report was so illegal ductiment, and must he exeloded fixer the evi &lice. They gave the same 410111011 other respects as the Court of Excheenter, that if a e r.e awe gruianded upu the Report it could be tried. The •Ilrgatems were pal se that issue, and the ease was dismissed without kev nog the least stain on the clieractre of the party. He could not, therefore, hold the Coinniieium is to be lurid- Mile. He agreed with the observetion of the Chief Bartisis letter, that it was difficult to see the prospic. live advantage which was to be derived limn agitating the .abject at all. A Bill fur al:owing compete:dams for the abolitina of fees was at the very time about to I rce,v e the - time he would be sorry to hate Lion. so hare a deaf car turned to es slim before the Hesse. The the pent of his office, and the , for all the free winch be had as to the fees of a Judge, it was receive say which the Neill had led them to be remiss iu o the fees 4.f usage, which had 'ruble Gentleman. Het bought it. tn. Member should Wye atupp d is Report, and sot have looked • other Courts, or t h at be could no mialogy in those Acta which he quite mongrel and proper, and o lead to a criminal conviction. Ile oiler Courts was the same, but in the Earebequer Court considered as crams and 'is was land treat. e. veil, fie the sike of rid bare so managed. The Moue, the other Courts eel for which it WlOll Chief Justices of the tither Courts ""' . • . . _ . . - „ r ~ 1. I) • . • . t . i i ~ F „ ~ ' II . t i IS ' I 1, '.) r , I, • + 1 i i : I ! . I 1 : :; i „. ) ' 4 1 ,• , k. - , . , mitryect It att. A Bill fur al:owing cumin I; it .i.. ~,, e Ifte th E e e i r e l t s t r e q r uc u r, arid ti ,e ot.iy :Answer they hail .4,„ii i i iio of C i es , as at the very time , a b riu . f the Chief "lawn. The douse Itu)al Assert; at the same time he would h eras now On th e eve of bending nut :mother it supposed that he was ansionv to hare ade . lorti v s .' •••••• i ' a case of such importance a. 'lett before th . 09 t Colonti - to Jr nd, in the t ropriety of %;Ucli Chi. f Baron had referred to the pa•eeit of his b:. full I:gi' • 0, .. ............int it.ir delisiqueileY bleu. usages of his predecessor', fur all the fi e 1 syle:t•tu e. lir bleu. Dlo time ecesairing as to the fees of vas 5:. ' % •4.. "•- ' ; ' ''s .-. I. ? Ritteli as he justrilmble Mau fur hi m to receive any wl I vet . ~-; ,Or I. - 411 who coot- Reece of his predecessors bad led them I Ilte Ireland, he eulleelin• lie ell . 4 .. ,, ~ , edge tidied to the A,I. I 1 till . • i .r• th '4,t, ,: been noticed by the Honourable Getilleman. I. • .7, . extraurdioary that the Hon. Member shin , r Da 3 - 2 ,ArtheN , ! -,4*. 4 I , abort at the contents of this Report, sod win I' the iota the alfairsof the other Courts, o I • .°' • after awns looked, no analogy i• ill Ift i: ~. .. . _ ellig/MMMYrlr'' . ai'lli — - • •I. r alone ease to be quite 'littoral • :,...i " • eapeetei to lead to a crier ~' • i iig h • i t - i , . 1 r '" .' l ' 4of ' ' . er the other Courts , - ... . 1 1 • • la aio if, bet is the E tA: -- -- 4 • • i tit edo6r aawie 'bias was''. , e •. considered 1 . • i.• • • - i,... 4 -.. Id , , err. He thin • this w ~k (7° ..• ' t , .1•,, ~• ,••., . 41114—it looked hike • hit,. 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The same eyes which inspected the Kings Beecham' Common Pleas, amid found every thing to be white and fair, Deemed to have put spectacles on in looking elsewhere, and discovered nothing but blackness and deformity. We woehl proceed to consider the separate charges con tained in the Resolutions. He held fist the Resolu tions comprised imputslitefts whitely, as lie agreed with the Chief Baron and the Hon. Gentleman, admitted of no middle comae briag held towards them. The first ref reed to the Sheriffs. There were other topics in the Resolutions which were toot eo worthy of consideration. As they rested mainly on this ground, if be disposed of the case he need out go on to the others. The Chief Baron had described the whole proceeding as to Sheriffs fairly enough. He deformity ed io his own mind that the Under-Sheriffs were by tin means intendtd to come within- We range of the Act 43 Geo. 111. The words of the Chief Baron were so clear, that be felt convinced that all the legal Gentlemen present would readily comprehend them. If there was any error in this opinion of the Chief Baron, they would see that it load existed for forty years. The Act had never been con. .trued to extend' to Sub-Sheriffs, mud the construction of the Act had been left entirely to the Chief Barons. They must have been the best judges of the case. IT they were not, and no Act had passed to take the power from them, their constiUthUll must have remained, mu' mint the slightest charge could be fouoded on it. As to the Chief Rareat's fees, brought in here, they had nothing to do will. the question ; they were not fees iu reality, but only gratuities fur services doom. It had been said that it was the duty of the Chief Baron's Clerk to snake up and prepare all the pipers of the Sheriff. If that were roved, he admitted that a Kilovolts charge might be brought forward, but not otherwise. The Hon. Member had not ventured to state that Wit officer was bouts* to mike up all the Sheriff's papers; lint it was the usage fur the Sheriff always to employ him, mail not one (drifting more had been paid to him for it than would hays been plid in any other of the offices. He dismissed this part of the case altogether; and lie hoped that the House would see Wet of all charges ever broug h t forward to criminate • Judge, this must be ooe of the must insignificant and futile. As to Exchequer writs, he referred again to the Chief Bantu's explanation. If the clerk's name were nett affixed to them, the Chief Baron could take no feed on them. The Chit f Harms explained the di&i'rence between bid Court awl the others. He took fees on all writs and orders of his Court. The Noisier Judges took them 1/11 neither. He was at a lose to know why the distinction we. nut noticed. The Chief Baron received no fee on any writ which slid not also pro duce a fee to the Chancellor of the Exchequer. Ile took the lee fur sorthorising the seal to be put to the writ, which might be afterwards erased. He only did this to receive the fee, as the writ was equally effectual with or without the seal. The Chief 11 iron's letter was quite clear, and proved that he thought himself justified in doing as be bad done. There were other eases which might nut be so clear; but he would ask, was there any moor that he had done any thing but that which be at least thought himself justified its doisig? it would be seem by Carawe's return, that be had takes nothing to-which be did nut think that he had a clear right. Ha next came to the case of sisbeequeert and anterior fees on decrees and copies, and of exemplifies lino. It bad always been the usage, or at least the right, to chasge fees on copies of decrees, the mime as fur exempli fications., in other Courts. The latter charges bad led to nu remark either from the Couimidsiontas or the Hun. Gear- Hemel The Report had been 'before. the House for years, and no notice taken till now, that the Court .4 Exchequer wail lobe taken to task for that which the Court of Chan eery was mail" dieing. ltiberewer the Chief SWAM had al.. tercel the fees, the idler:dime would be rutted to be perfectly jestifithle The Hun. Gentletuan had stilted that nicreased fees haul bee. taken on 132 Jeerers. It would be seen by the Deputy Chief Reinesnbriinces`r return, that if the Chief Baron hacl• not done so, he would have low the fees on two hundred. emit forty-right. Au.' in the years 1817; 181'8, and 1819, had he not, by a new regulation, taken larger fees on 24 decrees he would have lost the feesam 178. This'irmild hive been • general injustice io his successors as well we Itint.elf. By the authority of the Chief Baron mid of IheCo*ieiYluaera, be was entitled to argue that the Chief Baron wee right. • Aa her exemplifications, they had never existed in the Covet or Exchequer. The Book of 34 named a fee foe Went, though it western known that there was nosed& thing. The Cownowstioners must have known it also; they must have known that • copy of a decree was the same as•aft exem plification. The Chief Berens look fees on . vet, decree, but not on every copy, and in many cases there were more than one taken. He considered the Chief Bsrun acquitted of all the charges to which he had referred. He next came to the cage of English and Irish money. The usage of the Exchequer was to receive both English and Irish money, but they had never acconnieth to the Judges except in Irish money. It was to be observed that they ought to aceimut for each fort ofeireulatloll as they took it. The Chief Baron gave an or der to that effect. The Commissioners had justified him for se dein,. In the Chancellor of the Exchequer's uffira, the fees were ell received and accounted fur its English money. The Cominissioneis said so in the Report ; consequently the usage had been to receive many of the Chief Baron's feel in English money. If, therefiere, he bad transgressed in this case, there was ample excuse for his mistake. lie came to the lasi charge 4.f an additional live-pence baying been demanded on every affidavit. This was the only case, he be lieved, ever he•rd of, where a commutation of fees had' been charged on • Judge as an offence. In the other Comte compensation was recommended. for the loss of those fees which were here to form a ground of accusation. The lion. Gentleman had 'hewn 'time want of partiality with his eyed open to the increase of fees in other Cowrie, to make it a ground of complaint its this case, He would read a ghost extract is support of what he had ted. He felt his inadequacy to the task in which lie was eagaged.— He hoped the Legal Gentlemen present would assist Idol iu the discussion. 'flue composition of lees was justified by the Book of 34, which allowed the comitsuasice of all fees then established. This was stated in the lie port which had been long out the table. After stating the fees of the other CIIIIIIP, and the increase which had heels made on them, she Commissioners declined any diactissiou of the point whether or not Judges were justified in es tablishilig new fees for maw services; but in their Report on the Chief Hiroo, they undertake in judge this point, and gave it against him. Several new fees were created by the flue( Justice of the King's Bench, which brought in .3111. les. The Conessiasioacrs stated this, and then de. dared themselves nut quelthell to diecuss the right ef the Chief Justice. Was this knotty puiut then to hue set tlesl by the impeachment of the Chief limou ? Was the commutation of fees in hint alone to be criminal, when the Conentiasimetrs *mild give No opiniies even tin the creation of ore fees by the other Judges ? He complained of the obvious partiality of these piocreil;turs. The Ede Repot', page 9, stated, that ip she King's Bend, the fee of Is. Id. on au affidavit had been raised to 15.74 under Lord lillwar dea, which litcremse in 1814 reduced 1441. The Commis bioners, iu recommending a reductiou to leave the subject ofcompens.tion to the gi acious cousiderat too of his Majesty. Was he to be told that the *rime ut the Chief Barou was guiltless, if committed by oilier Judges, sod ought in be rewarded by compensations' Tlsia aim harsh mid unfair cuuJucl to the Eselo quer. The Report was full of mistakes and must have beets hastily made, and if revised. malty things would he rejected which had been received info its lie knew the difficult ) of handling affairs to •Isieb people were nut acctietunief. The Cumuiissioners could not have been VW) exp s rt 111 the aflrisd of the Exchequer" 'they wet• not incayobk• of blunders, and it was not in their power to overturn the statement of the Chief Bastin. He hail dune his best, ambito owed she 11111111 C thanks. tie was speaking against 1115 1111161060 u. He felt Itimielf bound to the task; and if the defence were not &bong enough, they wtaild at tribute ilia time inadequacy of the advocate. He hoped fur the assistance of souse blend 19 correct I heel Tors into whist' he must have fallen. He acknowledged the warmth of his fia Wigs with which lie had to contend, while addressing the House. He had dune it. with proper humility, and as became one struggling for that which was must dear to human life—jut. Wittig that Immune and character which might-have to de. stead on hint, and which be hoped to be excused for coast dcriug as the proudest part of his iuheritance. He bail dour his duty with difficulty cod inabs.rrassaseat, but with all the confidetinc which an boarst man ought to feel iu pleading a good cause before a British Mane of Paella• torat.—(Load cheers) A short pause ensued, which was iaberruptad by cries of " Qeserf ion r The *oriole of LONDONDERRY expatiated nn the . delicate nature of the business, and Hie impel fret state of information and incapability of decision in which the' fluto,e most find itself. lie complimested die Hun. Gentleman for the manner in which he had brought the matter forward, and did honour to the tertiary displayed by the Hon. Mem ber who had just down. Viidor all the Cal C4II3.II•IICPP of the case, he thought it advisabl e th a t th e &Warts should he ciseAsst for the present, that the Houae ahould trove time to digest tie information produced, awl receive any ether which could be reacheJ previous to their meeting again, when they would find thernveltes in • e lition to proceed to a decision, even It the envy shoold tint require an ulterior measure, lie concluded by moviug, that the Chairman port progress._ . - - Mr. S. idICIR readily consented, and proposed that, for the folltw satisfaclios of Members, the Resolutions shoolil be printed and circulated. Mr. ABERCROM BY thought, that, aithe charges were of so serious a nature, the suggestion of his Min. Fisrod bail kmr be withheld. Me. C. WYNN teas of opinion that the !Lem mutt proceed to the consideration of It case comprisisig so grave a charge against a high jiiiheiai 01.r:octet'. The Margins of I.ON DaNDEKRY proposed that the Chairman ►huuld report progress, and ask leave In a;t again en Tuesday neat, which would (race !timidity open in au, lion. Member to propose any thing on the subj• et it be ahutild are At. Sir JOHN NEWPORT tho•ght the case ttift. not war. rant the Committee in taking the lion. Mover's atAtesurnis fur granted. Every Member was competent to read the Report and 111. W him ewe ionTeners. ELLICE considered that the better way would have hreu to have disposed' of the question now, instvad of hav ing tt hangteg over the head of the Learned Judge for eight or nine months, ■ clitogr which must injuriously affect hint in the discharge of his duty in the Cubit in •Lich he pre sidril. Mr. B. FitITHILTST roncor,ed witlp rite Bleb , Ham Baronet (Sir 1. Newport) in the opinion that lIT ch.trices were by no inerneto be taro for grouted. Mi.ELLICE said he bad nuCiateudtd to impute blame to nay Mr. NOLAN acid the question was not whether the con sideration of the subject ought to be deferred, lant to whist lime it ought. to br deferred. lie doubted whether. iu the advanced aisle of ihe Session, 11/14/ CO11(11114011 could be come tu. lie had purposely abstained from goring any opinion um the extortion with which the Learned Judge was chargid , , he bad declined tieing so, lest it should be imputed to him that his private feelings had biassed his opinion. At the same time its could nut hot complain of the moaner in which she HMI. Member fur Limerick hod alluded to him, as of he should certainly stud forward as the defender sit the Osier &rota —(er its of " %'o, no r)— He prutesied'ihst if he were actuated either by private feelings of friendslop ur suisnosity, his voice skusild newer be heard is that House upon the question. . - The Marquis of LONDONDERRY repeated his fu mer proposition. Mr. S. RICE denied that he had allotted to the Hoe. Member (11r. Nolan) in the manner he lend.imputed to him. The qui-4ton was then put awl tarried. that the Chair man rrport progress, and ask leave to sit *gam on Tuenday next. The House having resumed, the Chairman reported pro gress, and leave Waal given lu sit again on Tuesday% THE DUKE OF CLARENCE'S GRANT. The Ala/gum of IA / N GUNDER It 1' rose to ;ore the reading of the Duke of Clarcuee's Grant Rill: We under stood the Noble Almituis to express his Royal Higlimer's acknowledgments to the House for their liberality, but the noise of persons quitting the gallery prevented soar hearing correctly what the Noble lA.rd said. The 6111 waA then read a brat. and c-cond time, and on tiered to be committed uo Monday next. AUSTRIAN LOAN. Oa the Order of the Day bring read for the House going into a Committee of Supply-- Mr. R. SMITIV rose. He said the nhjest of the motion he intended to assbeait was, to have laid on Mete table a dispatch of the Honourable Robert Gordon'., which was alluded to in • dispatch of Lord Stewart's, dated the bth of February, 1819, which dispatch contained the reasonings of the Austrian Government on the subject of the loan made by thus county to Austria, bat which Count Metternich and Count Stadium, refused to consider as a Nail, but. contended a was a Mul).idy, uotwithst:md• ing 1 was a loan, made in time face of the world. deed, Nle. Pitt, in the debate which rustled upon it at the tune, congratulated this i ouniry on the favourable terms on which it bad been made. From the correspondence of Me. Gordon, Lord Stewart, and the Noble Marquis opposite, it appeared Hist the Gucci 'uncut still consider the claim as in existence, and, in fact, the people of Ibis-country were paying Interest on six and a halfasillions, and were layiimg out of 21,000,0001 to which the debt he was prepared to prove 'moulded. The loan was negociated in cont. - eicure of two Conventions, signed at Vicuna in 1795 and 1797, every attune of. whirls had been violated by the Austrian Government. lu 1818 our Government offered to take Gum Ault, is some ship. timber on account of that dela, but they infused to sell us miy, atid reasoned against the validity of the debt. It was the duty of the HOUbC of Commons at all times to guard the public purse, and more parlieulaily in limes of distress like 11w present. lie thought that at least the public were entitled to kenw ou a hat grounds they were kept out of so large a sum of money as twenty-one millions, and the reasons which induced the An e an Government to deny the debt. It could not be Jeuitd un account of the poverty of Austria, tbr it was well known the Empelor was the richest hove. ifivi in Europe, deriving at least eight millions sterling from his Italian States only. lle eulogised the man. Orr in which Lord Greuville had supported the dignity of Ibis conutry when the subject was discussed with Austria Joriteg his adininistiation. Ile thought it could col lit con sidered as • question for negliciation, us there was, in fact, nothing about which to negociate ; though, if any acetifies tau were watered open, he considered a cute of this House would materially strengthen the reiteration of the Noble Lord'a demand, sud he considered the Government were called upon in justice to. the Austria. Government its grant the papers, as the conduct imputed to her was a like! on her character; for his part, hr could nut believe that• the head of the Holy Alliance would do that *Sidi in humble life would be called swindling. If the matter re• ',mixed as it at present stood, and anyone should hereafter rely upon the jus,ire, honour, himeaty, or generosity of Austria, he would merit outhiug but ileiisioti fur hin err. dulity. He concluded by moving for • copy of the dispatch of the Hun. Robert Gordon, alluded to in. u dispatch of Lard Stewart, dated February 5, 1819. The Marquis of LONDON .1./ERRY said he (lid not in tend to go sado the malts of the questiou. The gru-tutl a.° which he should oppose the motion was this :—The Guirrussent had not abandoned the claim ; if that were Ste case, he would acknowledge the Honourable Gentle man might have some grorud for leia motion. lie thought, undoubtedly, that originally the advance in que..tion bed the character of loan, and twit of subsidy, but cif cot matances erbieh had occurred neillet appear to have wmcwhat affected and changed its chasseter. It should be recullrcted that after the Conventions ware concluded, Austria was engaged its a continued struggle against the power of France; and melee bad out the power to liquidate the debt, ma application was made for it by Lord Grenville's or soy succeeding Adnilai titration. He (Marquis of Londonderry) certainly regarded it as ■ debt, and he thought that Austria would not stand• well in the eyes of this country or of Europe if she did out enter into some arrangement ; she never could be consider ed as discharged from it till she should receive a quietus tram this country. lie differed from the Hon. Member in thenhawg that a vote of the House would be of service in esta forcing the claim, uu the contrary, be thought be shoehlams to • negociatiuti with great prejudice, if the cutrespuudesna were now published. Mn WAKRE said, shut from the speech of the Noble Lord the utmost we hod to expect was a compromise, and eves that @atoned rather hopeless, tie wished to know loom the Ivtuble turd wbcdcr ilit►e Was any orgocialion going on at present ! . _ The Marquis of LfINnortDERRY said that no neiiiri:l - !id in fact rsuiN yrt he rinissid intimate in tin• Irian Governineut I ii *e expected a Negotiation would he Me. J. W. IVAItD maid, that alttioligh a small pert ol this immense debt would be a• great relief to the pesipl...o this eturadry, yet be could wit censor With Isis Hors, EnsaJ (Mr. R. Smith) in pressing the Nobte Lord fur this paw-. He coold will eiinceive that Ilse or the hostrials 'censored might be Comae& tin prrlt•ncrs whirls it might be hoped she would ►e indured lo withdraw, but rlicarulia of doing that w.,01,1 be wonderfully iticreewil if the tibia, jou, were ~ N eweil to the eye► °Pall Europe. If Rey denim" trio J.bi, it eau a !nit it on the groom! of inability. as the Nob!.. 1 n' sermed.to iulimatr , when he sated ilivr fall the money in empire cook, not pay it, r bias lie admitted might tie . yet it might he pot on souse fooling of gratliok reduction ~ one, two, or three yrma. It might be said that the sacs fires which he had made in earryhig nn war ;tzarina 'i•-• son in.laar, in making his d.ughter a widow, must ii, aid. red. Muth comfort, he thought, would haw by java , w Hassi■ or l'i oasis, hut in Austria it was horribly perti,i., ,:: hbe•cuald aid plead poverty, fur the emperor was alu drawing rivoureca to what was rolled (oronwally, Nee capkal of his prsferwul dominions. Ibe object of tar. rtas trials Government bad always beeo•munev ; and in the noblest undone, fruitful country of Europe, which wow gruaiwe soder ►ee iron sway, the Aostriao Coinsirivalary came to ask for his moster from liar inballitants all which made the dif (entice between scarcity and abiandwee, and yet we were to be told that be wits usable to per she riekt due to ilea. country. He depesided nothing on the gratitude of /sus- Iris ; but what he did depend on was this—the hiendstaip England mind hr tun valuable to leer in he weribeed ever for a suer•redul fraud.—(fiestr.)—That Gaa,•rotnewl was Laved h . ; all the world-4 liar rituals as s real—by her is • femora aeon oppressor—and ratio in bee hmeilitory dominions in the Tyrol. If she persisne•l in shit art of barefaced injus tice, il must be because sire bought se were Itafic duped will• impunity. kelyilig un ths• Cllttallol4ll of the Noble Load, ill should vote against the iltflpUNiilUll of Ins Hum. Fritucl. Mr. I.a NIES vu ypns It II Ihe motiuu. Mr. L. 5.U11 . 11 s.titl be was vrilliugio.tsialtitener hie mo tion. Mr. J A %IFS. root. amidst tuna cart of '• Spoke! spoke and.saill. the informal')))) enorcrl for was of P. , mwth import atter to it., coireetry. that he amid not consent t o th e wi th_ . drawing of the motion. I.orif M I LTON hup the How. Grui !email would not resat the 0 it I,4l•ooing uflhr Mid IWO. JANIEti affair rose, awl the cries- of spoke !" mere reueirert. He said the subject lies Dee 0( W. r) veal imporlasiee to the couulry—CLoargliger,'—but ii lb , : Hou. Member woo doeiroiso of wrihdeawrog hie outwit he should slot tes'ibl Lie iiiirlistalaws.—(Cleels.) The 'alumni *ll4 then wirbilrowir. COMIOTTEE OF surral.T. _ . . . The noose Lwiu6 rssulted itself imo a Committee o!! Supply? GRANT moved some items of the Itlierelkneoag Estimates for Irelao4. which wpm *fitments put by the Chairtnau (ilr. Rroedettl, and agreed to; butfrant Ibe low Wool of ruler to wench the Resolution. we e read by boui, those lien. Gentlemen, we were unable to collect the palll culags. Mr. CA 11,CR AFT rose, and complained that not a word , could be heard f either the Right Hoes. Muver or front the Iluu. Chairman, by A% iamb the C'uttunittett euuld 11.311. *haa it was they were doing; Mr. C. GRANT then moved the following Regoletiou r which were severally Iwtt ail carried : 20,0001 fur defiayirg the t arnses or Manual 'revitalise& 8,6971 for the support of Non-conformist Moisten. 4.0341. for the support of the Seceding Ministers. 3001 fur the Royal Irish Aradensy. 3,9781. fur the (mouses of the works at Cole Harker. 19,0001. fur the musks al Manson Horburse. 20,000!. for Civil Contingencies is Ireland Mr. MARERLY olgeeted to the mode in whisk these• sotto were pet. There was no heal iug *Herber they newt for units, or tens, or hundred., or thousand*. Mr..C. GRANT said, he did not think it was 'weenie, for him to consume the time of the Committee i,t explaua alone of these trouts, which were the sense as those of tart year, end which, were all in the hands of Members, ps infra' in three or four different forma. The fullowtag resulutioes were then put:-4,0001. for the improvement of the Wand Nay.gatiou of Ireland. mail 22,0001. for the expenses of die Nitre establishment of :hi city c•f Dublin. This item, the Right lion. Secretary oh ties veil, was 2.04)01. less than last year. Mr. MABERLY said hr did not ask the Right Hon. Gentleman to give any explanation, but only that the Com m:tee might he allowed to bear the Remelesieas Is, sway knowing what thee were voting. 'l•lte CHAIRMAN then read• the lest Resolution ovc•, again. JA MEC roar amid awful laeghtes, unit raid the manner in which the vote, we►e met waeleile lle meant uo ilourro.p.ot to the Hun. Gentlrento its the chair, but lw had not breed a sword of what bad been rend by him. Tha 11011. Colttit moo, from bia quick manure of gettio; through business, awoke so rapidly as lo be guar unintelli gible to biro. Mr. C. GE ANT then proposed the sum of 4.0001. /or the public sellouts. ThiP, be said, was in aid of the value tare contributions for Site purposes of neni-ral education. Mr. JA M ES• said, his observations had not been directed' to the How. Secretary, but to the Hon. Gentleman in the chair. The res duiion was agreed le. Mr. C. GRANT next moved the sum of 6;01W. for safari" and expenses of the Commimoners of Inquiry Mg ti... Civil and lErelesiastiest Courts is Ireland. M. W. GORDON wished to know how muck loner these Commissioners world coutinue to be paid Mr. C. GRANT said it was impossible rw him la hew mark longer their inquiries sueld lass; tint he hell. d Hun.. Member would concur in the opinion that they we►e employing their time to the best possible purpose. Mr. W. GOR - DON said lie understood they bad only one more ('uurt left to inquire iglu. Mr. C. GRANT wild dirk inquiry embraced all mailers relating to t►e administration of justice, even the office u: clerk of tbs pewee. :hers of tent nature. The Resolution s 1 , then screed to; as was also tits vast of •8,834). fir the It.o.tack Estatolidimsot in Iselin& The mem Iterolketi..ii was for "9,001. fur the department in Irefin.l. C GRANT rail that this was the last Rase 'hit diaiiset sole owed b•• promised (.0 this service, and also fe° that which preceded it. In the neat year they would be is curporated with the Milli •Ii tit one establidtus.•nt. After ■ few turd. from Colotol DAVIES the Res°lntim was agreed to, ■s was al►o a vote of enpoot. for tbr Air• Extraerdinarirs in lr~laud. Mr. C. AuntiruNtyr thin niosed rue grant ef I ,•• to the Clerk of the Hour make good the 1 1 4 I; •>• lost yes, for the expense of piloting the lost Jostruole. Tire (Wowing Resolutions were then severally agresa 8,4001. fur the rrlaries and contingent expenses or 110 Conamiaaiimarrs of 11,e lusolrent Debtors' Court. _ MU/. far tire **lnnen and contingent expenses of itv Alien Olfice. 93M. fur rennin Professors of the University of Csrs bride', for 'ratline lectures. 2,304/: for the txpenite of erectia3 the New Cowl ibe Cuasmirsioners of Ihmkrupto. t 1,7981. fur repo kitte lad improving the Holyhead Rawl 3,442/. for the expense* of orrtaiss Colonial Service , htle tofore paid eat of tbe army eitteaotiliearies. 11.08;400 . L for paying of Exchequer bills issued for the elw nitwit on of pelvic weeks. I:he House thew resumed, and the Report was ordered ts be received oil Treads, next. AMERICAN LOYALISTS. Oa theler of the Day for !be House remarieg jets., a Cottaitsttlee on the American I-evil:els Claim% 10-I °l read— M. W. COURTENA.Y. laid be bad faseb ensure