The Statesman. — London, England, 1822-02-12 00:00:00

tents ewisteetiMtMc Ms , ,If thus nit? to theeteess wished wag dim hail the epee • *** • beeml.trkedpeol he world set MN' tst lerestsl. Sallee a* beat it biessegese iseitystesses irfead tltee.4•l;etria aro sad Skobse bad isdatgad asedos as wawa T--Avas. rat nd Las rag' Y estaari Nand 'Aft to a radaslat slam do: liblosty's aliataines. as Nam puma by pmts. II MY si.esedeeettaisavier rjAavile , 11~e.YwM teal . iroultlmilite lOW= IMF biome? o that eat asidetiftten its ANT.' ttt • Hes. Iliewebeee geed *a mbit* it bwed: to NW.* loopy?—{least) With theme water of the Hes. Meaberll: reed that it would be wadi► e to fellow him through his teat himself with ea et two epriety of brining forward t time. If the views of the mai were dean is the eh tavola provokiag a dela, a thus maturely.— (Mar.) Nieto alive it a decisive seep paper dneemeats fres the spew the table, hemightat is oat wey •f made eland could lot transfer that deep e of the *abject which he pew ow at lout a glimmering of e. The Hoe. Member, how oper to do so. and. aster each utrous,it was coatrary to cow otrary to the usages ef Pallet ise to go with hin, in his plass. iy pledged to briar this eh he was sot so unreasonable so devotion without prodaim she did set feel called apes wow raise mune he ahead take es before the Howse, be Who'd I that the basis ef it wads' he ended ecale.—(Hear, hear.) is a the boon by the Hossesalle he bad bees goilty of great es. tamest. Not, contest wit► es shish his Majesty's Hearwimmt ;height proper to re kafiY. sad he Home et catedece Atte : three yam .f the. that the expeeclitur%l4loew' wily salaried. He aimed was looming present dialitallbetom w with repreatroble hams led ra, for the imuwase azaleas that allied upon to imam. and with sash marked stmeem..... he tans* M i oilmen with monswees m hie own side—(Hear.).take by the voice of the satles.l Numerous allesioas bad ban of the Committee of Flusoce. said to have bees entirely Is . Wu this fair thus to toast, linisten, soon of the most lade le Haase? He (Lord L.) could these Gestlemen had Nether he public good. Hat it was al e time, to be complaining if a t of as u idable state of M 4 naplaints were made that, doe were incurred without peeper he Hoe. Member series. is am& sort ? Did he mean to myelitis have waited for an estimate be. means to enable the Daiwa Wal lis position at Torres Vedas?— most important step was set to be f the obstroctioe which 'Metal ? Why did he not, at the leas which he was sow urging ? I of the wanton elope's, incurred .y was called epos to pot itself la 'paint the invader; hat why did e were fortifying Dover. aid the ogne ? The fortifications of the and yet they received no oppo ;rawford, and still less from Mr. —ls fact, all the measeros theS DM the HOD. Member's side of the sten were now reproached with rere the necemary consequence of ed the Hon. Member, when nest a charge, to qualify it a little. to the cireemstahee that four red expenses" of which he ma to the public burdens by Mr. —Let him recollect that they were 11014" which the administration of led upon the country ; and if it ego of currency was one cause of that that change was materially ties of 4,004.1.0n0/. to the other He complaitted that the taxes s during the war, bet in atima et, the Hos. Member must have o the expenee ~f collecting them. did no: apply to the war taxes. 1 said tint be bad calculated both e. LONDONDERRY raid be met mount of the tines, for since the 1110,004) hal bees taken utf. This id a relief 'chicle no other country rso severe s struggle. He meo ws merely to expose the PS iggera- ID. Mensher dealt. This seaggera .Thout Ina seeds In referring to I hronr, iu hich, arot.nv utlsei Up to this time, a romiissess was charitable to shins; for he (Lord L.) took the earliest opportualty of sating the muse which Ministers Intsetled taking. Ito Saud dons aid he feasted oar. that the Reason whisk he would tall upon the Howe M•• 400. would sot pledge say ladividosi as so say future violin; which he might entertain. Sot. is his view of the composition sow mods. Members maid be pledged a particular coarse g and. as ths judgment they werS able to form sow would b. secomrily ,imperfose. be should. in jostle. to himself and the House. derail?"' is a pegmatite. He should meet it. therefore, by malt. tin previous question. This mit ;aid simply romance apes the atimelynanser is Whisk it was istrodased. without prejudicing its merit. The Hos. limber tailed upon Parliament, to retrace al is stops. aid God forbid that he should ever oppose prisolpie of wrist's; bat whoa Parlisisecticed sofiteso which hod bees sanctioned by-tho - praedee off passim was sot to b. &vista 'bat gibir e V ai ssilspes the sane *bowleg of the Hos. Mas t his. Re deptoestod all hasty and anadvist.idnisises epos so vital a ratios. And as to the alleged is. comity which the Hos. Member stated of socintishisg moralists or Isessoces mud doors—if be knew this Howe eight. these ettaldendoss would have so of fset spa its that Wank' be swayed Is the disdain lake duty oily by easideradoss of attesting to . the bat interests of the country. sad a strict adhersonts the Ostlers of eternal jatle..—(Hear. hose.)- 1 The Woe. might calculate aro effectual relief being i Om to the slistressod agricultural interest. Than es. oaten of the proposed remedy he (the Maras if Loodosit try) was Walled epos to state. if= Ulmer. say. that it !raid sot be exactly the Hon. and Liana Oentlesmo rettomostsdati. gel *resist with hiss that his redaction of tussles was tb• most effectual way of giving relief. he (Wit Loio iesierry) world propose a piss calculated to gin a lief is am& collateral points.—(Hear.)-!.Thia was all he could say at present, bat to entreat heir ►lass mon is detail. would oblige him (Lord ) -se apes. his views..• Ose thing above all others he wished so impress on the Hons., sod that was. to-7 poise. This was his "attn, and so It sisoold the Resemble and Latent Oestlossa", itaisad roper eaffdese• in his own plan. Sat it its im possible to view the proposition of to-night is soy other view than es a repetition .f what had bees doss se Unser osonsious, whoa. before Mialsters could Oh slay bring the question before the House, as .ppo tesity was takes of midst as sodas aid uswarraffi . ad attack upon than. and of withdrawing from" as onsfolesee of that BOOM Sot did Ministers usete this *mama at the basis of the 'Resat rlei iiod's same ! 14 Mishotors at isms be biar4-44tboa ud thowsslveo—a& ifi il! p e aw .: 4 •K i hood sowortby of their WI ere heiliaml lba pabgaisime&isafe. sekttalt *Mk% * ' • and Learned Member had gained It ; the" let %bees be keeled with all the comkemteas of such a 'lsm. and let the Hoe. sad LeartedOsat. be ibilseted tato eU the responsibility of the admiaistration of the soestry..--(Hear.)—Tho Hos. and Learned Gentleman bad shown, by his conduct to-night, that be was fitted foe such • situation. He was already assuming all the a uthority of • leader, for he called upon the Haste to arrive at conclusions blindly, without proper dace meets. end epee his own showing. From the sample of coefldence with which he drew inferences to tight. from his visionary and imperfect premises, the Hesse might judge of the dictatorial tone that be would as sent when backed by the aid of those official helps which his new ',Statism would place within-his grasp. —{Hear.)—Possessing. as he flattered himself be did. the confidence of this House, be would be whoa so that confidence was joined the iolloenco of pilaw He (Lord L.), however, hoped the Hoes* wield appreciate the reel motives from which this ma den was made. Bat though calculated by imposieg epee them to draw the House with a premature de claration of its opinion. it bad not the merit of origin, ality. The same contrivance had. on sundry orma sions, before been resorted to by en Hon. Member, who was now sitting behind the Hon. tad Learned Gentle man. It was amongst the stale tactics of the Hon. Member for Aberdeen, (Mr. Hume.) Under what cir cumstances the Hon. and Learned Gentleman (Mr. Brougham) upon this occasion. thought proper to take it up, he (Lord L.) would not say, but be was rather inclined to think, from the great seal which that Learned Gentleman displayed in the Cause that be was aspiring to the elevated situation which hitherto was supposed to belong to another—(A langh)—Perhaps it was • joint Concern. Or that there was an usderstantling that the Honourable, and Learn ed Gentleman (Mr. Brougham) should be now Lord of the ascendant, aid that the Hon. bliftber for Aber deen (Mr. Hume) would do the Istitititile for him whilst he was upon Circuita—(hicanthitor)—Bot he (Lord L.) could tell those two Hon. Gebtlenon that the same tontrivatice, if they piqued themselves upon it, had been resorted to by a Right Hou. °oedemas (Mr. Tierney) upon occasions which he could 0111.01 He had no difficulty in saying however, that on es occasion was it ever introduced when its effects wen likely to be more pernicious than eh* present. It was mach to be regretted that this viridian should he treated as a party question, it being: one of all others, that required a union of all parties.—(ifour.)—Hll l wished the Hon. and Learned °oedemas to wader stand that a British Parliament was superior to rebuke. and they were to be led by sound argument and fair dealing alone. With these views .f the ease, he should conclude by moving the previous question. —(Hear, hear.) Mr. CALCRAFT complained that the Noble Lords in his aexiety to defend himself and his colleagues, bad lust sight of the question before the house. The Noble Lord seemed w think that if he lost - his place. it would be • greater misfortuee tp the than oven the unparalleled din nailer tOlich it was ami ilibellfinst.—(Hear.) Bat 'did peened present state Of Ireland was the criterion by wider the tines* could . edge of the immense benefits'whiell•dos Noble Lord's I.lministration had bestowed upon this country. It Plarr' - gave - of the Noble Lord's devotion to the cause of his coun try? What plan did he bring forward to ameliorate 4tehmadition--what scheme of policy to forward its imgouvement ? None. In the affection of the Noble Lord his country bad not found a friend ; in his power It had not fosnd a protector. The retrospect of hie life could-mot be agreeable to hint. The dfMle Lord should regret that. thongh•lo hid bees Awaits,' yews in power, the name of his estantry was sever mesticoped but in connection with convulsion sod bloodshed.- . (Hear.) The Hon. Member the 'l'o.l Otedid to vindicate the policy of Mr. Windham. Mr. Windham istooded that the haltpay should be given* 'bsly to seek persons as enlisted ter short periods of service ; hat the Admisistration which saseeeded Ma eztespled the half pay to all Olken of the army. Navy. -Alaihrrw. Ii therefore, the edema' It was sots - pima /. Wiadbees which broeght on the "dead 4;000,0001., but the extesslen of it by Ith. He concluded by saying that the silenie the Noble Lord upon any rednetieu Of hustles% oongkd with the declaration of the Right Heaurablo else bealkellor of the Riebecter on a former Rights isiwitholl him to think that his Majesty's Milisters la , so real relief, and he therefore thoight that the t made* should be supporttd.—(Hear.) A MEMBER on the Ministerial side of the Haase, whose name we did not know, spoke against the motion. 'Mr. RICARDO in a low tone of voice, catered hits as explanation of au opinion which be hid Oyu epos a' former occasion with regard to taxation. He sever -said that tuition was a bends. although be difetoi from those who attributed all the distresses to the existeace of taxation. He was ofopinion that, without any taxes, a country might be reduced to the !sloe state.—(Hear.)—Bat if it was true that taxes were beneficial to the osenafactorer. because 'span 'Hie amount of the taxes he coold charge a profit is the gossamer, se it was also with regard to the Aria& arise. It appeared to him that in one rase as wll ea the other the tax could be shifted to the consumer. A redaction. therefore, of taxes, would not be a relief 4 the Agrieelturist. Tho change io the tweet', bad lOWA leas share in prodeeleg•the present iiietruethity feu imagined. The trite teases of that distress true two abundant harvests, an unusual importation of um. fres Ireland, and a state of things prodoced by the in fidelities of the war. The foodisolder was UK leg more than his due. be had made large advattees: shich the landholder was liable to be salted epos at' the time to make. He concluded by saying. tbstt epos some future occasion, be would take an opportasity of • dog why he thought the allusion to thisehattseef teeny had been overstated, aad ht i vw 4 01,prit measures w ar, Wi gs , wh o FVs. • Ilk of.,)1819 would operate as • _ of austemlities thou 'Spar essato-41941 6 ;... . 1111(bUGHAM explained. Mr. W. PEEL supported the previous giesdeet. . The question was now loudly called for. end sift& gees were about to withdraw, when Mr. BROUGHAM row In reply. He began by hi. lading to what fell from the Noble Lord respecting the support which be (Mr. B.), was supposed to beep given to those measures of Mr. Windham. out ef which the p t increased expenses of the &rimy were said to have arisen. Now, the fact was, that so fathom his baying supported the measures of Mr. Witsdhans, be had never exchanged words with that Gentleman, and bad sat with him silly for us short Session iu that House. It was impossible. there fore, be could have supported measures in the year 1803, seven long years 'before he had the honour of a seat in that House. The expenses attending kr: Windham's plan amounted to 4 millions. and that sem. with the ad.lition of 700,0001. embraced the whole of the pensions, including the Chelsea Eqablishmente The expenses of the Military Establishomet, however. bad not been reduced since the termination of the war: and he wished the Members of that House to consider what a very different situation the country would sow be In, if they had at the cud of the war compelled the Ministers to make redactions : in that expense. He wished them well to consider the step that was sow proposed to be taken. The Noble Lord had moved the previous question, on the ground that by igreeing to the same, Gentle Men would not pledge themselves to vote against his (Mr. B.'s) tnntioo— but might vote in favour of it on Friday evening, if they thought proper. But Gentlemen were not to *appose from such a course of proceeding as this, that det Noble Lord would support his proposition, for he would do any thing sooner than vote in f of a re duction of taxes.—(Hear, hear.)—The Noble Lord would use every artifice in his power to evade a ques tion of that kind, sometimes by throwing out his jokes, sometimes by wheedling, and at other times by threats. The Noble Lori had even given a sort of intimates that he would resign, if his plans for the continuities of taxation were not acceded to. This was the kind of whip he aged on all occasions, while the country woo suffering under the lash. In short, his object, send that of his colleagues, was to put off the evil day to lug as he could. He knew there were Gendarme iti that house to whom the threat of the Noble Lord totedri, if carried into effect, would be a wafted the greatalt consequence. although it would be of no consequace se the country ; and he (Mr.B ) coold notexpect to have the votes of those Gentlemen on the present occepior however great the sufferings of the people telglit l be l by refusing to agree with his motion. This flitch, however, he would say, that every Member wise voted against him that sighs. must either believe that the Noble Lord would propose a large reduction of taxes on Friday night, or he held himself up as an.eoemy, and au effectual enemy, to any reduction of taxation. The qdestion was then loudly called for. and the House divided, when the numbers were— For dm previous question, 214—Against it 108— Majoritragainst Mr. avoigbam's motion, 104. A; Eleven o'clock the Hour adjureed. 'nom ATlit AT L0N90.4.111111101 Morning YO m. after 0 -Et 'Wog 43 ra. after 0. has hoes contete l d. Mr. Junin BATLIT leamoillarely proceeded' to 'id dross him. The pohlicaties which the defeatist 104 !MM - trill ealliehted ll' a " high *degree' to probate diaalfeedeo, If sot tooaelle dor parties who might rood it WIWI - .Animists' widen& It ins published Ist a low expose. within the roach almost of the poor- MI as/ had; toy the lastramoseatity of thisief odept. hoes eireolated is a miry ' pepsins tows. fillod wit` ' mainfactories. If it lodexcited, ploy en to. adbt /Of l o am 's , mblit woald have item •Ms telloctipot teN4 he saw the minty which he had assisted io 1:1 0 1/ 4 the•otiegolited cif an his family. ' After' lON repave ',dicta. and ebserviag : that : a dotal ' Grille ',tight to base awaltoped the Pefiredeet!el elat s s h ave iodated Mn to tied lb* shillilO . ciammtelsast it ear berates before he' int .to sill it. the Lensed Jodie pineeded natty la : a t . % lowiag terms :—" Yea haw mated la ypor • .- din the indictees* she Warned* . jese prMeepare ' .. . ,late tklo Cepet.. AA. k *A; Jtave twee Weil mid :patdill,mid flptit se if hump i sod certlil ls tit might time foellW(ried .. Onto ? the Pedullikr)iri ' „ ;. 40 48 4 / 1 47 IMP 'broogit it Wore i iteepitol leVithar. li 'Maio- Ilona arise remonlatikeeek pea beau lies pat to thikpopeate of natio, Is* to tecein oar jaitgoteol. 4„ ks e e ( sk! t this Iss eoaierftlot ,uskw . the &eaten* which we us stiAtt to bass 11, 4 ,9! IMMO 'anted ii - your' brigidar iiMith. ttit fte rten to y.er OW potegiroplit appeared is 'this "Isewe impel% teprejortide - • ' TIN F"'" - ILO*); ilk rlading ealise elt liceWO dis;pprobst.__ - ie tria 1 4 , . 1 4 4 0 Oil°. 11.1.1.1 M to 11ige 41 4 1 4. POW VI I I grt ge") ‘. 4 1 .41. p r iz:.: of•A tft • .4. 1 3,r,.. ,i. a 5 0 ,..i.., • .sid silsi4lti be tridS I (6 1 / 4 s say Meek swittipardatjent4-timi- ' thiF Coln *alt he 4,1114 Ppm* tatitslt .an 1,411011nel galley of itleou lath% paperveakelateCts bias aislee who are to try the issue, they. wAr taco a punishment adequate 1p the offesci, sod . saffseast to put it down. And if the Cavtirt 'could hiis thought that any 'jury might have imbed it i different conclusion than that which thi t rio ry * this -ease drew. they would have granted • tcial, even though it was not asked of than. made no ground sf the application before he ; eel u doubt it was not le .made, hecaste ale lifartisiniinsel saw tit no jury, esercieleg a fay Jodrell* on the case; could hive given a 'different verdict. There is, indeed, ao doubt on the subject t iteltber qn the teadeocy of the libel nor on the staAlf kle publics:jos. after all the discossione sh Ilk Court have heard. You have stated I. Is that you have a wife and four children, and We tike that circumstance into our consider ation; lint it would be well if, before men were guilty of offences like this, they would reflect on the misery which they will bring on their own family, and, perhaps, oo the innocent children of others. The (Court having regard to all these circumstances, aod also to your inability to pay toy fine, award and ad judge, that for the offence of which you have bee. found guilty you be imprisoned in the Castle of Lan caster for one year, and give security for your gohd behavioar for three years, yourself in 1001. and twa l eareties in 201.,eaeb." • 1 Ridgeray.—My. Lord, I never sold the work at ajj.. The LORD Cuter Jae-ma.—We have heard enou. n h. on that subject. I Ridgway.—l never sold it my Lord ;I am con'ileted by a fool conspiracy The defendant then retired in the custody of ao officer. TRH HIHO IL SMITH AND OTHERS. „ ..1 la this Case Mr. W•LIPOED, en a previoae' diy. showed e!inseagoinst the rale for seven qtec.rap:rfufWe against officer's In the corporatinn of the Ilerungh of Colchester, and contended that the Court would not receive the application on the grvand of various state ments tending to show that the proceedings were really promoted by Mr. Daniel Whittle Harvey, 14ie Member for the borough. Time was then granted to the proscenium so answer these statements; and Mr. Semmes-J. now piodeced as affidavit for Mr. Harvey, denying that be was .the substantial relator In the causes. This the Court held sufficient ; .and tltiokiag, on . the merits, that the election was bad, grouted the rule ; but directed that only one informatien sliotild issue. TVS KING V. lIINNOLL. Tbis was &motion fors criminal informatioalliesinat the defendant for disturbing the elegies o(os.1Mayo( for Colchester is September last.—The case .4 tinned on a former day. Mr. Cnawooo was heard against the rdle, *lnch • The Count ordered to be discharged, lessiti f f'rhe pr mentors to tlie crdlowry iribunals *fake conaby..l Bale diacbargid. --• • • ' At the Lewes cora-Market. need ay; the pr cos were ; —New white Whist, et. Id.. to 31. ; inicid “4 ditto, 21. Se. 1..21. Ilis...oiti ditto. .30. illirley; 1/. ds. ; oats, 15s. 17s. beans 225. to 251. ; 1p are, 225. .•• . • - I , • . . ~ ,• • , , h. , • ‘ • .." •••41 ,1 • • . . -• 'Ai )1 . t ..'..... •••'`''', .. 4 . • .. .... .. - - ..... ... ... . ...... . • . -._, / P rinei g n Whiell ' it 1111° ;MIMI." leattif l 4 his Illojouty throw hisnre if spas hi:` - fias 11100 the Lied began his oseisur—ia SW 1 • gireprillaccivell. - -.‘ :--; .., of hi . m e w? t o oats- Psrliastest foi their whim tamped to glibly; relief... WNW the inpossmaiadvse of Ireland to fie* away r . ''• --ada....;T ntsc ii ..4 „ o. - . .. COUNT , is boasitto protest *jabs striailtursi distrose. the nos. Ne fa hei h a d o.t a alio their torliatonst. 'and this he Welts fait with. them Hag,. whirire whiter .Ir sib oassocestles you tiro elect .f that appeal. It mule frost Oro indsomsosto Ad.& to boil init. Pin II Ms mornir4it reserving those pelisses.'" sorer basswood is coma's roans, that his Saks" Ms , had the Noble Lord sow hies is power , sod Tim airy. 1341 . 1:7 01,* tiros biota at ...ditstiose aspastod that epos so rave sad ispo l tain a ' abject s• *lot bad ilo over doss for Mil sonny? It was a Thu 40 44 4 4 1, D avid Ridiiiiy.'-•01••••,1••••,;041 hi, „a sc id i d answer. prisciele laheroaris oar saturs—it was amosaut oar when may, the Csristitsdlosal Aseocialitos; Vito okhr toosistesr Wed. their -tab* the proses% putkom i t mi ld g i n his pines apse a "puska Aar a deliberation of only two or throe days.—(ikor.) hiSdeatuad most amiable foollogs to be attached toils* Wood a redraw; ' now 4 / 4 4 * 41 - 'lie iiii at Ar.: l l % • Jr time earl, to theasalla. Up to this time, art twaissans was ehargeoblo to MI- plahriwisich pro as birth 1 hut whers were.l.3 marks Court to receive jridenrost for the libel of whiii. 6 -ea- st.aa- U.-V.A....a.. ~. el.. ......... an• Us Aims- Lea Laos easirietaill.. • Awn, to preladitte yea." The Lome Caw 41tirgoa readadoti Mr. hatieo flay!ey thet it tem,' cieeAr. Mr. &animate ioiti dein easgel utt 1112 chief liapialit • of the disoolatioa. Mr. Jogai' Battore..a. o4 -1 w a s a l ign 4 . llaalg Nat. I. rkr 41P14, 0 114 Slitahirit 7.1L 4 0:1.44 afittnalar fro. 34 Amami At *eftiate_fatgar fee fidleted, kilts Cosadtotioial.Ays- etadia.'' o'lo4 oy tharlooniiiry, hal utirosiell ii Sit** Sofas •toiiftriti% 61104 •br thehl atioar •tbat elan a jail** who !We par. jaefa !hal v e, cit. Idar ast4l°l l l#4 rfirph — ,: A Ir.r- iiitio• bias bee. fo.tii.totfspit, W _mei feedlot against a aototioos reader of 4145i01l tits loom a i f tor: whh it" kit4p ioteafloil to,agyit . ropey. bieoaeit . o pioaliaika was . th l ott. to ion kaolittge. paiaMag psis.. 6111044. oh a iirtibie sharp. The Gait will always ezress the lifillret fisapprobetioa ef the /undue of say pesos .. ,~ .. ~,. •~ , - , 1 1 .. .; ::- h i `:. [ O, . t .0 .;• - - - •.0:- -.1 f ..: L. ~.Zi J ~~ v"~~~ 1 #~~ I .~ ; ._,,.. i r, • .ev I E 4