The Statesman. — London, England, 1810-05-22 00:00:00

Mr. O'MARA obtained lobve ,ftlitillg In a. Bill for ialhil lavotatt tineitribielottL - ' • The Surveost-General's Bill • was read a third time, Mpg , Oiled. The Scotch F.veiso Olicers' Suoerannuation Bill *at read' ' a secoud time and sotter44 to be committed 0.001700. Mr. LUSIIIaiGTO. brought up the Report of the Com in 'tree rifSu priy. The • Resoluti ons were read and agreed to,. ai. t.billi ordered ageordinely. • .• (in the itauaiou or Sir C. NIORGAN, an Account WILS.O.r. &red to he Nil before the Huu.e, of the quantity of Coal. an. CAWS !list:Med from Sough Wales during the year.lBo9. . - Ski W. CU in IS brought up the Report of the New Stock ?dirket Bill. After I% short c.haversation between Mr. Dent, and Sir W. Curtis, the Report was ordered to be taken into further cat- Sidgrotion on, Wedarriay,. • The OR of 'Vitriol Bill went through a Committee, the report of which was ordered to,he received to-morrow. The Bere Forest Rill Wei read a third time and passed. • The Poreido Silk- Bill *as read a see' nd time and ordered to b s committed to-morrow. . In a Committee or Supply it was resolved, on the motion • of air. ROSE, •that ti luta not exceeding 13,7271. be &rooted, to hi.. Majesty for the purchase of the late Mr. Grenville's calli.ction Of minerals. The report was ordered to be re- Certad tooMpitroW. Mr. WHARTON brought 4n n Bill to enable his Majesty W issue F:tchetpier Bills on the aids of the year. Read a lirol t aodotrdered to be read .a Second time to-marrow. • Mr. 11/11ART(IN brought in a Bill to enable his Majesty to approprboe the supplies of the Stardp Duties of 190 a to defray the charges of the Loan or Stock created in the present Year. Read at first' and ordered to be read a second tune to morrow. GenoroLTARLETON presented it Petition frrim certalit 1 inhabitants of the town of Liverpool, praying fur Parliartteno tare Reform: i'lle lion. General stated that the l'etitindees.., • em aiming of upwards of 9130-.) respectable Gentlemen (With auttly of whom he was Personally acqualnied), lied Made a requi-ition to the Masorof Litrerpool to convene a meeting of the iolothitautii ' hut Without success. instead of urging their light, they b ad very d-corodsly held a Meeting at trial ,i verit in Liverpool, the result of which was, the Petals* j which lie hal the honour to preselit:• 'r.- P. . ( worm was of considerable length) was rem! by the Clerk. It prayed the Howie to revise their proceedYl In g o ....ills respect to Mr. John (tale Jones and Sir Franc*. BuideP; Ind to in-operate with • the latter in bringing &mat a iterates* in the Representation -Of the People. - • General TABLE lON, in moving that the Petition do lie an the table, observed, that he agreed with the Petitioners tit as theitiheration of Mr. John Gale Johcs (whose conline. , . meat had., lit his opinion, keen at least of to:heir:it duration), andow•to tit- expediency of . a Perliameotary Reform, al thaugh he differed from their sentiments with re-peel to Sir I!aneis Burdett, • . • . „ , , aos i GASCIOIGNIE felt it his duty to Monad the. inotiti*; iltheugli he was cOnvinred not only that the Petition did not ranvey the sentiments of the majority of the inhabitants of Li terp tot, but that not one-tehils oftlidse inhabitants could have been prevailed upon to sign it. He Was glad to hear that hi; Moo, Colleague o opinion of the indiilduals by whom the present Peitti .n had been signed, had inieroved since the 'tre e-Motion by bin elf of a petition with similar sighatures. tie repot. &Coo the majority of the population of Liverpool erero perfectly ontistled with the blessings which they enjoyed ender the existing Government. Gentle! TA RLETON explained. . ' - • Mr.. W,H.ITIIItEAD did not think it was necessary for the Ilmilitrable Gmtleman by whom the motion was seconded to endeavour to *throw .discredit upon it. The petition did lint profestto be the petition of the 'polarity of the people of liiverpooL The petitiouers may assumed to: peak their awn tontime-ts. As to the charge made by the lion. Gentleman a;aits..t Ifs Ram Prieurl, fora vaceillation of conduct, it must be remembered than an Him. Gentleinati, one who was consi d ref ititioug the must iodepeudent members in the House, Lad teceolly declared that the best proof of indepetidence was to be fatuMlit voting sometimes tni one side nod sometimes on Knottier. Among the nopies attached to thit petition, It gave him foosikrable tatisfaction to ace that of Mr. Roscoe, than wbont a more en:to:items:4 a more benevolent, and a more patriinft individual did not exist; and with all deference to the lion. Gentleman Opposite, lie could not help expressing a wish j hat Mr. Roscoe hvi had the opportunity of preseuting the Frtiiiiio now submitted to the Homo.. leaving his lion. Fried hoar him the honour of seconding it. Toe Petition wits then ordered to lie or-the table. . aIi:'IIOBARTS presented a Petition from the Electors and usher inhabitants of the City of Worcester, praying for Parlliononthro Reform. After it . hall beets read by the Clerk, • • Mr. RO SA ftTS moved that it do lie on the table. hie. GORDON seconded the motion. Be ohserved that the Petition Ole signed by ataoy respectable individuals, and he sliould feel it his duty to support any plan of Reform which should appear to hint to be consistent with the true in terests of the emintry. The Petitions was then ordered to lie an the table. - . , Colonel WARDLE presented a Petition from the freemen Iliad inhabitants of Canterbury, praying the Ilouse to revise theirroreedingt with respert to Mr. John (tale Jones and Sir I , rallCiS Burdett. !legated that the Petitioners had as seuthred in the most peaCeatile and decorous manlier. and that the Petition was sietied by neat 4000 persons, forming four-Ofths of the population of the City. , During the nailing of the Petition by the Clerk, an ex pression of surprige used by the Petitioner Petitione that the Chancel lor of the Exchequer should be permitted to be " at large," occasioned considerable Merriment iit the House. Oa the ntotion of Colonel WARDLE, the Petition was ordered to lie °u tile table. • , • , FOILEST•OF BERG. Lori cocRRANE expressed his surprise that the Forest of Ile . - e Itielosure Rill had been rend it third time atso early on hoer in theevenieg, when he bad given notice of a motion on the subject. !le expatiated at considerable length on the necessity of httshialing the timber in the country, declaring that a great scarcity existed in general, and that at Plymouth tai particular, there was not half timber e n ough to build a seVenryifonr. After a variety tif observations oo the subject, lie moved, that the Rights of the Crown, the claims of ID dividietis, the interests of the Public in the preservation , of the !Forest of Bern, together with the claims of the Lord Warden, fir the relinqii:Shlueot of his rigOts, be referred to a CoMmittte. Mr. ROSE thoight that it was too much .for the Noble .esri to expect, that because he slid smut attend in his place in suiticifet time,' the third readilot of the Bill was to be post-' posted. lie defended the Bill ; and in naswer to the obser vatioos of the Noble Lord, with respect to the scarcity of timber, resna,ked, that during the last six years more care lid been bettotted oh that subject than fur the preceding half 1 century. . , i • . Mrs 'S. BOURN r. defended the io:ciostire of the Forest of Betio, cal orottet.ll of public' tot i I its., al Boolgh the 'oleos,. re was I one whictif.y on iiiitios accorded with his, individniti wishes, 1 The mot ;nn *AN 4101 kitlitAtiVeil o iljlOUI a 4iVittilOtt. • •• . LOEd (i)C11 ft A"1 E proceed. d 111 Ulan . , that due. mike sh .uldbi• eive 1 its tilt (Irders of the Dip reotectinte It:evokes of Bills which Went lis dram assay or impair the rights of the Crow .i, in forests, &c. - s After 'a kii, conversation, in which the Speaker, hit, iit Chute, the . oicellor elf the Exchequer, Mr. M. Fitz.terald. NI% Rose , r. S.• Bottrue, Mr. Wilherfuree, and Lord Cods. rant portici t iated, this Motion was also negatived without W. divisiub. , CAPTAIN POSKETT. Mr. LYTTLET()Y, inconsequence of the imperfect emus inunicntion ohieh he,huil hitherto had with Captain Poskett, resultidg from his not lusting obtained leave of absence, and wide ro famiiog from it tionvtrsat ion w hie!' loosed between tlictn On Satiirdity, that he bad some additional information to put bins in possession of, postponed his notice one the subject frmn Thursday 'to Friday se'nuight. Mr. O'HA SA - I at the'so_ggestion of Mr. Grat!am, moved, that the Oilier or the Day for resoiniug the adjoiiroed debate on 'Thursday shoal: he discharged, and that the debate should be retained on PriJay. The motion was agreed to. On tae tuoijoo of Mr. TIEBN EX, on Address was voted . to his Majesty, prti)ing that he would be g raciously pleased to order Accounts of the Nett-Proceeds 6t the Itruits of the A diairahy to he laid before the - House. PARLIAMENTARY REFORM. . . Mr, BRAND rose, pursif4.at to notice, to bring before the Ilbtise his Motion relative to l i ar. lia'alenuary : Reform. llu began by observing, that , . • thkliftern - al situ ation of the country, and . •she state'. • Ohs foreign relations , but ll iliore all, ihilast inv.. portante of the question itself, uptpt • which Pre liberties 'it'd-safety of the nation depentle4 p,terso4 - . . . pd upon. his. 'Mind with such accumulated veight, Oat tiro fiord he reflected . upon the . solute ) the 6 l • pore Ire was convinced or his oWn inability. to do insilee to the task which he had undertaken. Be. f cirehP-, en s tered upon the consideration of the sub. ji et to which be waz desirous to call the attention pf the lliatie, . Is. requested I:rerinlisipit to iri , a few This al to tLo ositiVei which itteited kiln _ - i~t~: rt . .~ • iss the agitati,l4.44.4e question, and .Iba sir. I cunastancep iu which lusfoited himsclf in beinging it for Wird at this &ref; 'M . an eavty faeririal of the. Scuba 4* lasi'a44" . to have, submitted to the Souse t motion rritittlar to the present. On. , thrixdorning . pkevioua to the adjournment, whil tat:4'l4434c 'the debate p a the great question ,u • the ' Nrakbereti 'Mont—the decisima upon which had been inch as to thin that feeling of jtt `dignaWon which prevailed in the .pOblie *Mud against the Ministers—upon the Muse ' had th'en dem-64116d to have brought this subject • forWaid. But his llotneirable Friend beliimi him had stated mingy reasons to shew that that walnut , tho molt eeptedient and Proper time .for suck a prowasltlon. i The arguments then used, appeared to hitt pa cogelit; that 10 was induced to postpone his notice; though he bad not. .droliptl the Ws of calting,the attention 'ut . the Rouse. to the. subj e ct soiie tithe this Ses p ion: The reason . why, he had thought it right to mention this runner determind tion was; thatit might be au answer to , whatever calumny might be circulated against him, with regard ttilhe particular time.at which he brought this question tinder discussion. It might; perhaps, 'be said; that ,HeisPd khoseo this time . to press the subject; . hecaus s e Mt' Honourahle Baronet rho had rendered himself so'eonipiceuus in, thesause of Reform wit ahaitit, : When he 'stated,. howehr, that his ' det§tmination. had been formed before the, illsetiee of . that Hotiorirable .Baronet, ha trusted lie should hi eitusipted from ady such in sinuation. Besiilei; those whom lie had the ho. rrsour tti represent, :had reason to look for such a proceeding at his hinds. They had heen taught to expect it, and he now only discharged his duty id hie Codstituents. , In the events which had taken place, in the irritatiod which hid been,pro dureil it, the public initial alines (he Period to which he had ativerte,l; he saw no reasOis to Visi;t from his intention ; but c4ery • iisai'dit *ld 'erseVere in and, to accelerate-frit . ,Pitriloi. 'the question had beeri.disdussed'all °vet. the 'outftty ; the violent had deMaeded lteforin ; the pilideot and. dispel'. sionate approved ofl :Intl encouraged it. Teo re. vive sinking confidence; to allay discontent ; to conciliate the public mind you must bring about a Refortn in the Representation ; you must identify yourselves more with the *pie; It was unnecessary fiir him to enter at large into the actual state of the Representation. The object had often been discussed both here and in other places. Every one was aware that there were in that House aboveseveuty persons who were merely the nominees of certain Borough Proprietors, who were not the Representatives of the People, but of individuals who seat to Parliament whom they pleased, by their interest in places in which the right of returning Members to that House was at present vested,Places fortherly populous, and there. fore, in full consistencywith the spirit of the Consti I Whin, vested with that right; brit now ralitious, and therefore improperly, and in opposition to the spirit of the Constitaition, exercising the power in ques tion. The consequeuces that must arise from such a-state of things, all risen knew; and these con. sequences he need not trespass Upon the patience of the House by detailing. Evidence to prove them had been tendered at their Bar; they were recorded on their Journals; it would be a waste of time add labour in him to cater-into the proof of that.which was known to all. The evilOvhich in his opinion called aloud for at reinedy, was two. fold:-=First, that many decayed places which had been called Rotten Boroughs, places Without po.l potation, withoet wealth, without political con. sequence of any kind, returned Members to Parliament, and thereby in effect disfranchised a considerable portion of the people of this country. Sii,Cond ; that many rich; large; and populous places scot do Members to Parlia. uncut. These were the two great leading evils. Many more might be enumerated to which he would afterwards advert; hut'the principal evils were comprehended under these two general heads, and to them he would confinb himself for the present. Before he entered into i detailed ac. count of the evils which be had mentioned gene. rally, and stated the remedy which; in his opi- Mott, ought to be applied, he would, with the per. mission of the House, say a feW words ota the , mode of proceeding, which he wad inclined to propose. The grievance itself bad been aduilt. ted almost by all...the necessity of a remedy was no less generally felt and admitted ; but he hoped that all would dread the consequences that ' l. might result from violence and precipitation—he hoped all would agree that ha a matter of this ' magnitude it was proper to proeeed with all due caution and 'deliberation. Such was his opinion, and hoWeier partial he might be to his own plan, it *as his intention to propose that the isteattct I,l<usall' tic re Committer, dist , liither his plan might be seriously considered, ap. proved of in hole or In part, or some other sub. stituted, which might be regarded is more esinape. tent to remedy the evil of 'Which the country had felt the baneful effects. He would therefore move for the.appoititcnent of a Committee.. In the mean time, how ever, he thought:ll incumbent on him to state the plats which appeireal to him best calculated to meet the ail/alley of the cise; and he hoped that in 36 doing he would 'hate the concur-. renee of mania his friendi—of all of them to a certain extent, iss all must be anxious that the necessity Of peuve Parliamentary Reform shonid he soleinnfy recognited by the House.—Another most important ithjeet fOr the mature considera. Goal oftkcoui4 lee, Would he that respecting the greatabibwef tlfE right of election, by the nomi. nation exercised by the proprietors of certain bo roughs. To the system of borough representation in general; he was altogether adverse, bud he could not help thinking that objectionable as must ever be the mode of purchasing seats in that House, fry purchasing a borough, he still thought that the Member who sat there iu right of his own money, Was necessarily more indeperidl nt than the man. who was introduced amongst theiia by the boodua tion of some Lord, who must have selected him as 'his passive instrument*, to do hii will, however re. pugnant to the real interests of the counta.) , . If . he should be fortunate enough to succeed in getting the Committee, he ,presumed that they ivould suggest the propriety of disfranchia.; . Trtr, STATESMAN F - .Ur • . log Vick borongik. ' • Ire - Priaerled ici— consinent on• tiro oodect acrd •... inequable pro portion tat, e t edieriling to the, present system, prey:silts! :bet weessiftho. privileged:of actual re preseutation, . and4e4ialtus of tiroperty Rad po potation to elect..4:3l* 'Wed, that there weronot ,lessaliaii thirty platees,. each. minding two Members . to Parliament, ,tit One of Which contained abote fifty .. voten3. T.het two great foundations upon pritich the basis of a fair, free, and full represents. lion of the people rested, he conceived to be pro. • putty and population; They both had their respec. tive,protensions, arid each, to form a just system ,of representation, must be allowed their due share of weight and influence; but in a-system that in vested 30. or 40 men *ith the privilege of sending i Members to that House, while it withheld the same privilege from large and opulent towns, sus. taming a flourishing trade, and an extensive pope- Jation, in such a preposterens system, it could nut be expected that the just claims either of pro perty 9r popdlation should be commensurably an. sviered. They were, in fact, not only not so answered, but seriously entrenched upoii. The pri tittle so vested, was an abuse of the right of elec. lion in injury to the due influence of property, as tho nomination in the case of boroughs was an equal ;butte of the rightlis injoryto the just claims of popu lation. This joist abuse was old, it had gradual. ly grown out of the original system, but was by no means originally a part of tat system, or at all Sanctioned as necessary to it. . Our ancestors had put •their intentions beyond dispute or suspi cion, as they evinced 0. jealous care, that in the different towns the right of voting should be more especially extended to the resident freeholders ; and that the right of representation should be in an adequate proportion to the property and pope. lation of each place. How far that principle had been departed from by the present inefficient mode of representation; could not but be obvious,' and must genie, to the satisfaction of every candid person, that propositions of reform were not therefore. propositions of itio oration. They had not in effect a tendency so. to itmovate as to restore. Our ancestors had originally deSigned, that in such towns or places the right of voting should be lodged personally in every •resident householder. Ile was for reverting to this principle, and restoring to that class of the people that 'share in the right of el&titig s and the adtaistages of actual representation, which our ancestors Intended they should have en. joyed. With respect to property, nothing was farther from his wishes; than to lessen or confine the fair operation of its due influence. Property will, and must have its due weight. (hear, hear i) A tem. pet ate reform in the present mode of represente. tion, instead of detracting from that weight, Would add to it by generalizing the influence that was now confined to few and narrow channels. It *isnot; therefore, his intention to propose all . al teration in the right of voting in the counties, as es. erclsed by the resident freeholders, but suggest the propriety of widely Mending that right, by giving it to the ceipyholdersin the rich and populous coun: ties, anti with that view he should propose that all persons holding copyholifs should be enfranchised; should be entitled to vote at elections for Members of Parliament in populous districts. He would vest the right of Voting in the resident householder, thinking it unjust to svithhold the right of Jcpre. sentation from persons paying in such proportion the parochial and other taxes; this was no vision.: ary plan, no fanciful theory, the principle upon Which it was founded, that of giving those who. contributed to the support of Government their: virtual and proportionate Share iu the legislation, in leillng the money which they themselves con tributed---such a principle was in the spirit of and as old as the Constitution-.:and was of right Eng lish growth...it would be in furtherance of thii. principle he would pro vase extendift the right of ; franchise considerably throughout..lliii:North of England, by enfranehising the number of per. sons holding copyholtls in that part of the country., The objections which in • the Cones of the Feudal. System would have been allowed is conclusive. against the propriety of granting the tight et franchise to copyliolders, could nut in these dart be considered as at all admissible. Formerly the cOpyholders, who were the ancient villeins, being then actually tenants at will, were in such a state of abject dependence upon their liOrdit, that the giving Such persons the right of franchise would hare beeo .but eventually. throwing an undue influence into the hands of the aristocracy of the country. Such a ground of apprehension could not now be gravely started, as the copy holders of the present ,day, though tenants at will, were but nominally so, and were not in a condition to' be affected by such an intinence. •So far he was not aware that any thing ha had as yet suggested, could be juStly said to amount 16 'innovation. :The prollotition, however, which hi bad now to 'make, was, hp admitted,. liable to that objettion. It was with respect to the altering the mode of elec tion in the northern - parts of the island. The Modes of election, as carried on in thii country 'Ain! in Scotland, were materially .different. Ile should propose that , as far as it could b e d bush should be assimilated. Ile thought this practicable' to a considerable extent, and very desirable, And • though it could not be denied that It wits an limo, vation as far as it related to Siotland,;yet he knew I not why the Legislature, if they . thonglit it o lllll. usable so to do, should not fuel theinseiveb per- Jectly competent to make any' illetatitto iu Oath *laws of Scotland which they thought iktheir dam calculated to promote the general interests uQI the Empire. pear, hear !] it wat not his ills tention to confine the right of voting to titatao alone holding their landS of (he Crown; but cite** It tea well to the actual occupants of the land as. :to the real Proprietors - under whom they, hold. Solnuch for n hot he had to oiler respecting the right of vot— hp". Ile now r:Iille to the important tpteStion of lioritn,,,,bs— and here he could not see mach to d/ti upon the Score Of ins noratiou, for the fact was, thdt the,itygtent of Itorumets was, ititelfan innovation which had been for n, Ong - period.progres-s sive, and n hirb, of course, it couldeetbe rolled Inuovatlon tbn remove. The most material &Welty that he tae! In Ifircotislier ntion of this part of the subject ism, th eye* neestiou bf£eta. , peusation— Whether it would he advnabfs 140 give - pecuniary , compensation to thepropeiletiostif the liordughs to benholist ed ? to point of right there was—there rebid be, to to The great share taken in, the RepreseSuition by those 134‘; roughs was the people's property. They had been for son 4 :, t me di :seized of the. pommeled, but nut of the title ; usquestionettly r ac• rigtd of uncooditadtad re-entry:l— , f- , 77 1 Fcr." - 7 111 P1111F - "" .orrros- --mos - - :dadno clains to ,cqmpensonoa, yet, in polo"; of totoity, qe 4buirght they wereetultled to roomier -Mints; and hp was fully Amtisfied that the Pitollet oit.ht nut to hisitate to purchase up ,such pretensio.fi,sand porChase Oleos, lib era ll y too; fur . re were instasices, :Wallis was openf them, where a Lt.• •at r h Or o ttigatity proved. tit erect, the - severest ecotiono- . .-:..• [Moe, hear!)—Li4erat eumpethation would altar the di l eontouis, obviate the dillicoltics, and prevent the ferments siturriots to he apprehended from a jar: log of contending Mies rests and prejudices; inaiinport of Avowal/es so great, alai sanctioned by such long prescription. -lie was fuity aware, • that what he had just oilvaoced was tar nom being csinimaut to the fedingo and wishes or unnuy of those who were most • zealous and eoustoot iu the pursuit of a Reform in Parliauseut. But. owes as be regretted this, be felt conscious, that to. the application of that part of the tares to be raised in order in ply utf that eampeusatioa, the people would eventually Cal t o ot mo o ; t worey hid been roost ls,Wely appropriated, and toat it would prove one of the cheapest purcuase. that ever ha./ been made for the public. The obtoition of the Bitrooons would necessarily reduce the .monber of MetubeN in 4114 House, consequently the tie:a object for their cousideroton t would be tOe application of the ;limiters so redoccd, those be would tat/pose to apply inthe first itistatweto Ac es towns, and populous districts,, hitherto unreprergotea, sefi if any remained misapplied he would propose to, apply tae surplus to the most populotas and opu.ent cotintiei: As th e represeistation now stood, nothing could be imagismd more unjust than the preposterous aisaroportion betweim lac f e . presentation otud the population. lie assured the' noise' that there were in the neigOtiourhitoit of the' usetrOptila, is the direction of Oxford-street, anuve :400;t10J pereotts who • were in every rerpect utirepreseuted ; and if they we re, to exalt:Mc into the state of the representation (brought: nut the ,West of England; they would met with many and striking libtunCes of the same deplorable. deficteory, lie would ask w bat clakii to the right ot represent, tom cou l d be ndvanced in behalf of such places as G a rton, St. i.lawe. and Old Sarum? [Hear! hear.) Or how tar mid the claims of property or population been attended to, when such places as he hail Just . meutioned scut each two Me u ni er) , to that House; while Shoffielcl, flioninghain, and altiorhesfci remained v. 'Clout a Representative? u lcer! hear I) Ilt should propose, therefore, by traosferring the right or n sera . seittation, to apply tile Members taken float toe one class of towns to the other class, giving the rikift of vratiag t o evert resident householder is suck towns paying parorhoil or utior • taxes. Thus, he trusted, by such a trans.er, to remed y tee evils that ha d groon out oldie Bortnigli . Optetn, and to iestote the House to the confidence of thepeople by restoring th e people to their, right of elee:ing that !faux, .it the propos e d sultstomion of rich mai populous towns id the place of untnita. hired borOughs. He was not indulOng iu any wild or favourite theory of hit own; in ancient tirties.t.asy had repeated exam_ pies of places, on theirgrowing populous, at - tibia ing toe rapt of representation. W heft a town organ to tlourismourartee s i ory generally took care that it should not want a repreSeiftattve tan that House to watch its ittlerepts. We should not be up. prehensive of any danger from acting up to so jest o principle, With respect to the heritett tteoreseutat wo, ne repeated that 'the, right of voting ought to be assimilated to that of nag country, anti justifed the interposition of the Ligishoure 10 t h a t purpose. They might be told, that they should hart fe form theinselees before they procee.ied to reforat others; but be,concelveil that the proposed eilitage woutd be but a part of the stone great work. With respect to !ream', be was the less $v Ming to make any proposition of chatt o r in the s tate o f repr.•esti/MO(1a • itt that part of Inc United hiugdoal , hi Cod trottence t f the iecea regulatimo adopted there; upon OW transfer of her Legislature; but He wort, however, be permitted to observe, that inert mere lu that counay lame instances respecting the kit/roughs, which were irreg. want With all the mischiefs apd abuses to which 6110 o - system was :so sttaject, particularly us to that inja r litut 'erect, of vesting • the aristocracy w ith 80 dioilBollB at I*l. portion of power, by vesting in so many Noblemeta 'Mut ,ally the right of utintinatioo. 'fhis was tae Inure to lit dreaded in a country where certstO restrictions were lowed to debar a greitt portion of hei population from tot lan benefits of the Gonetitutirso under %smelt they hied t foe it was nut within the limits of man's itnaginatim, to coucgrt the iikalchlable mischiefs resulting' from a state of things; Which come:llad; water the forats.of a free, the spirit of an ;arbitrary , Goverment. t klaJr, hear!) lle had. thus. en deavoured to draw a general . (Manic of tile principles of MS i primosed plan. With respect to the Representation, he held Veed himself by •awo. leodiag • points.—The one was places baying no population, and but a few inhahl- . ' Wilts, aught to cease to return Members to Parliament ; and the other was, that ocsgreat, opulent, and populous toon cr . district should remain amrepreseuted. Hosink dwelt upon • these, there were yet other poiuts which called for mirk- „ lion. And here, the first that naturally preseded itself was tent of the ddratian . of Parliatnenti. rn this - subjert he had 'llireeted his beet e ottentlion, lull he confessed that it did appehi t 'to him to be one of as difficulty, and equal importance. -Septennial Parliaments liadoi tentleoey, from the length of - 'heir term, to Weaken the relation between the Elector and 't ithea,spresentative,ancl t 3 shake the dependeoce of the mate undo' the other. While annual Parliaments would be found not less riceptiolia.blea from the shortness of the period, said the too frequetu oectirreoce to the troubles and coutestsof Parlininei4 tory Electioos. The o ne term was too long to plcoe the • people, bud the other too short to satisfy the Members. lie ithouldt propose to. take the ineditlin, and Wore Triennial Kr- • 4 liaments e its making corresponding concessions to the pemile ' dad the members, and thereby The best calculated tla. create • q • 'and perpetuate mutual satisfaction. There watt Otte ,point spoil which be wits itazioit.to be dearly eatferotiod, and coil:. • corning. vihicla there had been many arid v a rious opinions ; It • Was with respect to the part which was to be allotted- to the districts in the reformed representation—whether their were to rent* by districti, or to. vote .by districts? These two thiugs were materially ditlerent ; returniog by districts he Ol 'together disapproved of, as being productive dill eourequences Ot likely.to be so; but voting by districts he 'hod& to be' very convenient, amid free from many Of the objections too Inch other modes acre liable; on the other band, returning by di* leach (though so favourite a plan with some Refoimists) wean iu.etfett to falsify the virtual re,prescutatlit of 'het-Mott, • itself. As he oas Inure intimately acquit/wed with, theenteto 'of Hertford, if be were permitted he %could riteinfOrly Aso *waning by supposing that county ditided into • four distritio,. and returning by districts, the respective districts would op • turn some one leading resident in each town, who would lent to their several interests, _and neat to OW of the 'chum v :taken together, so that it would have the misclilevons &ea' 'pf converting a county represeutat ipu into a borough declaim ; • r btlt to vote hy districts was very different, and haul many ad vatitages attendant on it, with respect to the owing of time. trouble, and expense to the crtionciate, and to the elector', as the Sheriff au ht collect the votes witn sd much mons dispatch and faci lity. Toe lion. Gentleman co: clivlrd by moving, " That a Committee be appointed hr impure hod the state of the Representation iu Wit Nugse, sod.te,rniati gate the most effectual measures of reforming the ritii.e.". [We lament we cannot give the remainder of air. Wand's Speech till to-Immo-ow. The hlimion was supported by Mr. N oel, Sir J. Newport) Colonel Wardle, her. Whitbread, Mr. Tierney, Mr. Wm. Santa, and Mr. Ponsonby ; and op posed by Mr. Ot Giddy, Lord Milton, Sir J. POlteirey, 31r, Alderman Jacob, Mr. Sturges Bourne, Mr. Calming, Mr. Vi•yare, and Lord Poreliester.—TOe motion *as negsAldlea 00 a ditrision, the Ayes tieing 115, and the Noes Si 4-1 .........,_ . ____. _: 7 -757 : -o r - r i k,-- • l'uNij°N.2 . - ..:*l7‘‘',)esusot zio iiiEsnAt 1 s,sAir. 24. 1810... _1 .: 1.% . I tr• aricinupelled, Ily th e length ot r 'the iteport , ;.rii.' , .ot tire City ilroccedings, t o postpone dill du - put: ,• oi ...1)1V the greater part tif l ike Dabate in. tb.e house,, fast eight. We arc s o rry f ur this, especially that We 'cannot inttediatc . ly gratify onr Readers with . the dot:Omit speech of Mr. WU I T *it EAU,. '4 114 0 i , • • dne of the l'eopic'b best friends. Alt. Bittros'i . . 1!4 • lotion terminate.(terminate.( ES - E'C ' eti .s illall of continuo seissU foresaw . . ' The Ministers will not save, titlivr the . people or theinselves,,aild therefore the people must look to thethselles ooly for 4 elit r ia hoi'c; and the ott(y constitutional 'weans 11pir 7 1. 4 4. t " 11143 ppiple is, to Ri.foriii, Parliament ,theinselvt.s, by • electing such tispid, and such only, as Will take the new veil' Ot ALLEGIANCE to the PEOPLE, that 13 1 . 0 say, the oath s n u t to imprison, -not to Mews ;their :Waiters * f i . . . F ' Yesterday, Ilse AiTOILICY GENERAL ,iii the • 'Court of Xing's liiineli,', obtained a Rule to show „.Con te *hy a Crintinal`lnformallott "sho u ld not be t ., sued ' against . MATT . UM CANTER, and several 1 ilh' . . fur rioting, in the Theatre of Li•verpnol. .1-4 tAtltt i tON , i •Pcs...ied duct Published by 1). Loy NIA.; at die . , ' ' -Siai ys Si .0-0 i erica Ks•• ineet-g"'d• . - • _ . . i .. ..: _