The Statesman. — London, England, 1813-11-16 00:00:00

. . . . SURREY NU M1N41170N.. . . . . IM PE R. , • .do necessary td :be - settled' for the 11141liented by the 4 in rfer SPftiotit:eit the terdP 64 flatlet° effect•thit trevrdifficalt and y Acts had beet' before, 'meld ue preferable ft/ tiffs! Act. Another diffic u lty a r ose on the present measure. The eipositte if taking etv‘i gpeoai, Monate, Nov. 15. In the eare respecting the 'hotices; which • were found to aminations In the country would oluo be very hr 11414 • • This being the day appointed for the nomleatlan , 1/tard d fo d r ity.. Belleudeo tier, ,so , that they appeared likely to fill' up Lord HOLLAND said, that a great step hed:b,:i • r weoes o r a Representative in Parliament for the coun t y es 1 INSOLVENT IIIMINTIte: i the Goreffe, and render it useless • for the purposes 'gained last year, and, he was apprehensive,. if . that .. surrey, a utunerous body of Freeholders were as- 1 Lord HOLLAND stated, that be had a Petition f o r which it was eellittleble published. This was a' was got rid of by anther temporary , Insolvent v. •ern i,i i .d for this purpose, in the large specs opOo- in his hand from the Insolvent Debtors confined in matter that properly belonged to his d e partment, I Debtors' Bill, that the .wrmatieut Mettsup).would site the Spread F.agle Inn, at Epsom. About one the Fleet prison. The Petition complained of the and he had ordered i Supplemental Gazette to be • then be neglected till the pressure again Called thole i) . ( .1,,.k the High Sheriff arrived, and, with the delay in carrying into execution Me Act of last i published on Tuesdays and Saturdays, and an ES. ! attention ta . li.- Ile- hoped that every exertion would I - , ; e n& of the two Candidates, mounted upon some Session, for the Relief of Insolvent : Debtors. In i t r aordinary one on Thursdays; and he had taken t therefore be geed to emend the present Act, so as enititV vrnagong, which were placed there as rostra. presenting t hi s P et i t i on , h e did no t pl e d ge hi mse lf to :upon himself to d 6 so without any charge As to •to render it - copabla of being curried Jute Jetects‘ ; Tie Sufism stated the object of the meeting, and bring forward any motion founded upon it. He did stamps., that he might, as.tench as possible, save ex- ; tion. . . . . . t he Requisition was read ; after which , ! not mean to imputeblame in any Quarter ; as h e was 'ip en ce to the parties. Another difficulty . li ar s . ac . ! The LORD CHANCELLOfIosid, -that. tempo. Mr. PETERS addressed the assembly, lamenting not lufficiently informed on the subject to give an : curred in regard to a Court where the Commissioner . miry Bill might tle - leassed hetore - Clitt-tmes,.eut that . t h e cause of their meeting; and recommended opinion at present ; and at any rate he was rather', might hold his sittings. lit -settling this matter, he : there was hardly any hope of propitring the tetiete o tt , . ' 11r. Thornton to their 'choice, conficleo t that there anxious to avoid any discussion tilt the Noble Lord i . had found that assistance ' from the Magistrates of : Act for being carried into evecution so ftly t hair w as no man more fitted to fill the high situation for .(Redestlale) was present, who had Prepared the Bill. Westminster, 1. hick taight have been expected from '•, posing it could be executed . ht ail.' _ • which he now offered himself. . • l -At the same time it was evident that the petitioners persons in their situation, when the object was' to Adjourned. Mr. PAGE seconded the nomination. . ! had been severely disappointed by the delay which carry into effect a measure of great public import- ...- . . . Mr. SAMUEL THORNT O N then stood for ward, a nd had taken place ; and he, therefore, had been eager i!ance.. They had agreed to give their Sessions' House ' HOUSII: :OP . COMMONS. ' sa id, he was highly Mattered by their approbation to seize the very first opportunity of presenting it.- !for this purpose, provided this did not interfere with . Mr. V. ROBINSON took the - Oaths and his seat of the principles which he had ever adopted : those Ile had, howdver, communicated its contents to Mr. t their ordinary business, and that . no stew charge for Rippon. • ' principles should continue to guide his public con- Serjeant Painter, as be thought himself called upon i should be brought upon the county of Middlesex is I-- Mr. K Ma . '0 '''' ICK Wrought up 'the . Loci) Pone. r,i r t , duct, because it was through them, he was convinced, ~ to do bef ore be called the attention of their Lord -' consequence. It had been found a matter of very l,irision Amendment Bill) vilikio tra's rend a * fi rst time s * . , that England had reached her present eminence, BOW ships . At the same time he was far from meaning to serious difficalty taprepare every thing for carrying ! and ordered to be read a second oft Thersday. was enabled to be the umpire of the civilised world) 'Say that any blame uas imputable to Mr. Serjeant this Act Into execution ; tnt - thit he could positively ! PimictittAllrg. ' ' • ' , as well as effectually to resist the tyranny of France. Palmer. The petitioners were desirous that their say, that no delay bad taken place that could possi- ' On the motion Of Mr2ARBUTHNOT % the House , jl e we , no friend to oar, and thought that no motive Petition should be presented without delay, other- bly have been avoided. He was the more anxious to wtoiltito a Committee dielapply(in which theft& ' of ambition, or of national honoor, ought to pro- wise be should have wkhed to have waited till the give every explanation on this subject, because he I , lowing grants were agreed to :--- • ..• -•- !tact it an hour beyond what was absolutely asses- . Noble Author of the Bill was in the House. Under knew that it must be galling to the persons cost- Yor sows advanced for the public servlee oat of 'the Civil , sars for security. In his Patliateentary conduct he"TList. varmint to addresses; sot tot replaced by Parlesswebse . the galling disappointment to which the petitioners 'Corned to have been somuch disappointed in their ex - , 40.0 , 10. . . ..,, r, had always looked to measures not men; whatever .... nod - been subjected, it was of great importance to; 'pectations. - • • . Fur slims allYaneed.f4 litddktet.f;ces. f!” lAllt i CiutA i t t4 46 l • ' appeared him right lie had supported, whatever 1. tueMtehave their petition iternediatety preseMast; bord...HOLLA ND laid, titht t thr Pertio'Wertlifill - till m le n t , 0: 9 1 ,2 Veg . ire . . ellPetanate, ant l iit rep . 4Y ; • . w tong he bad opposed, being quite indifferent as 0, `.,,tithe bad thought himself called iiiton to. yield to blamed no l'artieular individual. IV himself hid ' ra . r'or iti.tos adrtnecil for ptshiar services fro.: the 'Civil LI4 •.1 the pro ; nor had 'he ever attached himself th ott loistios - ' never heard that any imputation of that description hcrenforc paid out of proceeds of old stores, 3,Vd51. •,: ' • „ to• any party, except those who consulted the , The LORD CHANCELLOR agreed,, that all had been cast upon his Noble Friend (Sidmouth).-- saws paid 4 Ut of the Civil Llit for Parliatotittifyitsal .6 in , i l :t o r r ptililic service!, 5,4541 best interests of the country. lip had been asked i discussion as to the merits of the Bill had -better be His Noble Friend will certlittly the last man in the For thy :vying the CORIUM niention at Queess's Ferro, 'flowers - . 1 why he had not come forward at the last election ? t postponed, till the Noble Author of that Bill should ' world whom he should have suspected of being tteg- the counties i of I..dinburg:i and Fife, agtertble to Act atlas, !I • el! At that time his family and private affairs required all ,b e i n his place. He, therefore, at present rose only' ligent or inattentive in a matter of this kind. Lord ' sit Ti'ir " tite' Relief of the suffering Clergy tad Laity ei Fnuwe i his attention; and it would have been impossible to , for the purpose of saying a few words to set himself ' Thurlow used to say, that he was afraid to impute 119,0301 devote himself to Parliamentary busines s w ith the right, where it appeared he had been much misun- any impropriety to the proceedin gs of the Govern- 1' On this "g-aut being proposed, Mr. WHIT- • care due from a Member to his constiments. Those derstood, if the reports of what was said in another ment, without being able to point out exactly where ' BREAD said be wished .to takethat opportunity of circumstances were now gone by; std he was now place were correct. He understood that he had been the blame lay ; because . he was-then sure of being mentioning the case of e,Mr. Reepet, who had held again ready to apply himself to their concerns to the represented, in another place, to have tacitly given' condemned to hear panegyrics upon all the Noble ' the situation of Mayor, of Tonkin when that city wee best of his abilities. •He was no candidate for office ; hi s conse n t to this . Bill. He spoke now in the hear- ~Lords and Honourable Gentlemen who happened to r evacuated, and who tad been a great, sufferer on the , nor honours, and pledged himself to receive neither.. in _ gof those Ow Must know, that he had distinctly r fill any situation under the Government Such was ! occasion. He had at first received a pension from , The greatest honour to which he locked was that of rexpressed his doubt, whether the machinery (as he , !lite state of the Petitioners. They did not Complain 1 Naples, hut on tile irruption of the Frepo Into that representing them in Parliament. lie would not at. had called it) of this Bill would answer the intended 'of the Bill,--they imputed no blame to any portico- i country, h ue had retired to this, where heat first only tempt to raise his own character by any detraction purpose. Nay, he had stated almost his entire con- . lar individual ; but they complained that there lead ! received the relief of one shilling per day, which was from his opponent • nothing uncourtenua or unhand- v i ctim', t h at i t cou ld not b e b roug h t i nto o p era ti on .' b een d e l ay , ow i ng to some cause or o th er . H e a f te r w a r d s on application increased to 1001 1 ,a-year. some Aould procee d front himself or his party, and I t wou ld b e reco ll ec t e d, th a t h e h a d a d ver ted to the (`trusted that those who objected to this Act would,, B o th h e and his wife were-now very Al, and had he hoped to find the same treatment from the other i difficulties which must arise in the execution, from ' without delay, have it properly amended, if neces- : only . this pittance for . their support, though General side.—[ I lamas' ' I the manner in which the Bill hall been sent from the , stay, that the Act might be carried into execution ' O'Hara, Sir D. Dandas, and Lord Hood, who were . Sir Josue M swam in a very few words, pro- ; o ther House. He understood from the same source I that . with every possible dispatch: and - he • aesPreseed his ''p r e sen t a t ' the evacuation of Toulon, had testified e posed Sir Tre :toas Tortoil, ea the fittest man to repre- ; o f i n f orma ti on t o w hi c h he had before referred, that ` hope, thatthey would not, as a substitute, be called- - lionoet's services were faithfih and useful sent the County ; he was well known to them from , a reason f or n o t appointing a salary had been stated. 1 upon to pass one of the temporary Insolvent Deb . - : 'on that occasion, andthathe bad conducted hinnsele . .7 his long services in thee body o f Y 's - • • i n the most esempliry :intoner:. All the . reoresenta-l• .I' , . itylause.] . i reason assigned before. In regard to the Commis- tore, and most mischievous ) both i n PrinlsPle and tint's, however,' made to the Treasury in his zt eebalf Mr. ROLLS seeoaded the motion. 1 sioner appointed under the Act, he was anxious to - practice. •ift' I . H .. at one who wiilied . ' • _ _ . • • t.• Sir T. 'roarer, began by complaining, that the friends of his opponent had 'fixed a day for the no mination *about cm:suitieg him or his friends; a day was named which might give the Borough-mon gers on advantage over the Yeoma ,try of the County ; when his friends were all forced to attend dull husi ness at the Corn-rrarket or Smithfield ; while those other gentry who had nothing to do, found all days ; equally convenient. Of the names signed to the Re- I quibition, only fear were tisoao.of country gentle* 1 men ; the rest were persons in trade. lie meant to toy nothing disrespectful of *Mr. Thornton ; but when he was accused of disturbing the peace of the county, he must retort, and say it. was not so : he did' net oppose Mr. Thornton, but Mr. Thornton opposed him. That Getttle..nan had talked of his indepen dence : he shot:ld like to hear on what occasion it had been shown. Was it on the expedition to Walcheren, or on an affair of even greater moment, which happened about the same time ? It was unpleasant to spiak of himself; but he had been in two Parliaments, and he defied any man to show that he had ever given an unconscientions vote. A friend of Mr. Thornton's‘hasi recommended to him (Sir Thomms) to retire from the present contest, as quite hopeless. He hoped thil advice would turn out to have been unnecessary, and that Mr. Thorn ton would have to retreat to what indeed was w very snug retiremeut,--that is, the Bank and St. James- WM re...-. EA laugh.)—He wished to kuow, what la borinns or expensive office in the county had been filled hy Mr. Thornton: he himself had filled almost all. lie hoped that they would, by their choke this day, do justice to, his sentiments, which were never more profusely than honestly uttered.—[Thestes.] Ms. Cexe made a speech in favour of Sir 'r. Turton. Mr. Su ivr supported Mr. Thornton, and described that Centlemanns p culierly entitled to the suffragi" of the Freeholders, for the benefit he had been to the country, by carrying on an extended trade with Russia. Sift Tnomas TIYiTON said jocosely, that the only merit Mr. Thornton had acquired by the Russia trade was putiinimoney into his pockets to help him to befriend the Electors. .. The limn Sweater Olen put the question, whe ther Mr. Thoratoo was the fit person to be re. turned? The show of hands watvery great. • He next asked, whether Sir T. Turton should be the person ? The,sbow of hands was also great, but certainly appeared less than the former. ' The Hien Snentre, after some hesitation, de c;ared that the choice had faCen upon Mr. Samuel Thornton. , Sir T. Tvarox objected to this decision, and in sisted that the friends of the two parties should be di vided into stperate borres. This was objected to, as coming too late, after the, declaration o f the Sheriff; end Mr. TKO rrEgonover the Thanks of Ake Meeting to the High Shetiff.—A great deal of confusion- followed, but the mut'oti seemed to be carried, though With a good deal of opposition. • The Meeting then dissolved, being first reatituted by the Hon. Baronet, that flick attendance would he necessary at'Guildford 'next Monday. lie then retired with his friends to the Spread Eagle kit, where there was a dinner s. at which Sir Janis A L EX. • Amos& presided. _ _. . . say, that no Krt of the delay which had taken place 3 Lord ELLENBOROUGH . Mated, thit 'it was some ;Itslei into * the distribution:or this la : '. -. ' - i was imputable to Mr. Serjeant Palmer. Imorally 1 morally • i impossible to carry the -Act hstb' executionritP.osse especially as a suspicion had gone forth th at it orak, I Lord HOLLAND repeated, that he meant, at ;in its present shape, particularly that Port of it whieh - ''tnit distributed according to the merits and Weritiof, 1 this time, to give no opii:ion whatever as to the cause regarded the Court of Appeal. There hewer 4.8 S the indliiduifi 'WYO . ' were its oileite: His will. —1 ' ;of the delay ; but as the expectations of the peti- any thing more obscure and confused than the clause howeter, in the present instance, wets Merely .i. •• te'lle s tioners had been raked by the Legislature, and which provided for that object. When the Judges commend the. Case .ke. had menti oned to the tarthei i these were in some measure disappointed by the ' came to apply it, they found it utterly impossible to consideration of the.rresaurv. .. . .• ' '.-- : delay, he thought himself called upon to present 1 ascertain, with any degree of certainty, whether one The CHANCELLOR or the' EXCRgIVIIR ' ' their Petition. Ile was anxious however, that the lor three Judges were to be appointaol.for th e Court oft sa id, he believed that . 15 - e• iise neirOluded to Nur ,twohodpurport of the Petition should not be! Appeal. They were so anxious, however, that no-' come under . the consideration of predecessorsMs I• I Misunderstood. The petitioners did not complain thi•ig should be wanting on their parts, that theyll. .. N. ' office. and under all the .circeitsstances, it had ..net of the provisions of the Bill. they only complained ; had appointed three Judges, though some men of been illetight proper to increase the allowance. Theret.tl . i of the delay in carrying them into effect. legal knowledge were of opit.loti they Aught only to could be no objection to Make farther enquiries ipto•" "i; The Petition. was then ordered to lie on the table. have aopointed one. But what was to he done after the merits of the case,' but he was sure that thennuse Lord SIDMOUTH (who entered the House im- that had been determined upon ? The Act had net .. could not with tolvanthge, take into its own hands . mediately after the Petition had been laid on the pointed out any place for their sitting, it had not an enquiry into the claims .of these refugees.. Some table) solicited the indulgence of the House for a few given any directions as to the manner in which of them, on their first arrival iu this country, hati .. moments. He was sorry that he was not in the they were to render the executiou of this Act con- - received more liberal successes than it was afterwards - House when Isis Noble Friend presented the Peti- sistent with the due attention to their .duties else. found possible td confer on Others, in consequence .of • tion ; but he was informed that ass understanding where, both iii town and country,--and had given the numbers that came over. It was the' wish of had arisen that no discussion should take place till them no powers. Suppose a creditor *appeared and; Government to avoid; as Much as possible, the en.... the Noble Lord, who was the author of the Bill, appealed, they were to proceed' to determine the i taili n g of eheary harden on. the country. --- was in the House. That understanding, however, question without having the power to send for II Mr. WHITBREAD said, in explanation, that he had only a reference to the merits of the Bill. In single witness. There never was a Bill passed less' bad no wish for the interference of Parliament in regard to the question of delay, he thought it right adapted for its purposes. With all his respect for 4 t hi s particular case; but having been pefsonally ap- • to glee their Lordships now all the explanation in the Noble Lord who introduced it, he could not ; plied to by Mr. Renoet, and• thinking it a ca s e of ; his.power on the subject. He understood that he ' avoid saying this of the Act, either in his presence or ► considerable hardship,. he wished to draw to it the hid been blamed, as partly the cause of delay ; but in his absence. It was, he repeated it, morally im- i attention of the Treasury. • he could, with truth, assert, that there had been no posible to carry it into execution in its present shape. i The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER delay whatever that could possibly be avoided.— He aas no friend to the principle of temporary is" * explained.—We understood him to state, that a Mr. • Availing himself of the indulgence of the Prince solvent Debtors' Bills; yet, as the expectation of Howard was appointed to examine all the applicto.. Resent, he had gone into the country for a few speedy relief had been roused, he thought that un - : dons. of the emigrants , and that as it could hardly be weeks, it the close e the last Session of Parliament; der the circumstances, the most advssedsle course supposed that he had any undue partialities, his re and it was early m August that two Petitions had , would be tp introduce another temporary Insolvent pbrt was generally considered to be final. There was, been presented to the Prince Regent, complaining Debtors' Bill,'repealing or suspending the present however, a general revision of the grants to indite of the delay which had taken place in the execution Bill, till another could be introduced better'calculat- - 'duals every six months. of the Act. Hehad to learn that the first steps for ed to answer the purpose. By this means much ; The grants next meetl were carrying it into execution ought to be taken by the more speedy relief w o uld be g iven to the Insolvent 1 For the St. Domingo surerers; 8;00::11. department to which he belonged. The complaint Debtors now in confinement, who ought to be libe- • Porrtelleefslf2i'duc'eLlemaii,g7j,,,'. 4 %.""il,6oot: I was, that no person had been appointed Commis- rated, because the faith of Parliament was little less , For American I....yalists, 19,50.11 1 . g 'phi ' , blotter, and that no salary was fixed in the Act for the . than pledged for their speedy liberation. He should I For French lemigmatain Jersey and Gserrney, 3,2501. Commissioner, when he should be appointed. He im- be happy to lend his assistenee for this purpose: As 1 All the above grants were for the year 1814. . medietely wrote to his Noble Friend at the head of the to the present Act he had never given an assent to it, I Mr. ARBURTHNOT concluded with moving, 1 tremor' ry, statirg, that he was sure he would not suffer . either expressed or implied. Having whim-duties' to , that five millions be grabted for paying oft' Eriahe ! itirdelay to exist from the want of a salary, but perform, if was imp o ssible fo r him alwa y s to at- t quer Bills to the same amount, raised by an Act of' - • would take upon himself the responsibility of seeing it tend at thediscussions which had taken place; but 1 last Session. ,• paid; and he was not disappointed in that expectation. he had mady private communications wi t h the Noble t NEW CUSTOM-HOUSE. —He could say for himself, and the Noble and and LeatrietLord who was the author of it, but he I Mr. BARING wished to ask, why no estimate of Learned Lord on the Woolsack, and the Noble and had not foetid that his suggestions had been adopted. I the expence likely to attend th e rebuilding of the • Learned Lord opposite (Ellepborough), that no de- +bid HOLLAND declared that he could not give i Custom-house had been laid before the louse ?Re lay had arisen from any inatte;tion of theirs.—kWirhts assent to the *sing of any more of the* tem- : conceived this an item of expenditure as proper fo it not been for theanxiety of the Noble and Learned porary Insolvent Debtors' Bills. I undergo the investigation of earliament as any ether. Lords to put 'the mattes-1n train, it would not have TIM LORD CHANCELLOR. hoped that the'! It was replied by Mr. ARBUTHNOT and • Hr. been in such a state of forwardness as it now was. , Noble Lord would reconsider that resolution. 11 l ROSE, that it was not customary-10 . 11Y such aspen. He knew that if had been proposed to two very emi- the Judges of this country did not understand how . 1 diture before Parliament. The primped was defrayed vent persons in the law, to accept of the appoint. this Bill was to •be carried - Into execution, that ell out of the revenue of the Cutlets's .) the collection of merit of Commissioner for carrying the Act into ezme, itself was a reason why they should pause ; but at which it was intended to expedite. The leitiSectlice I cution : but they, after full consideration, did not t he same time, a tem p orar y Insolvent Debtors' Bill was rebuilt out of the revenue ' cif Extise, without see how it was possible to carry the Act into execu; might be extremely proper in the mean time ; as the the expences having been made a PartisMentarygrant. tion, as it then stood; and they had declined the' expectations of the prisoners ought not to be disapt- A new Custom-house was very timely wanted, for the appointment. Having at length heard from his No- 'pointed ; and they were much more likely to have old b e e t li ng h a d been almost tumbling about the ble and Learned Friend on the Woolsack, that Mr. speedy relief in that way than under threßill. If clerksfor some years past. Serjeant Palmer was the person to he recommended was only carrying the object of the Noble lissillitu.' • PAr. BARING did' not deny the necessity of it to the Prince Regent for the appoiernent, he hat?' self into effect, in a more certain and readycwiy.:- , - slow Custom-house, bat be thought it sextraordisilry not lost an hour in taking his Royal. Highness's lie did not approve of the principle 0f temPellitY thit'or hhfsean . expettalitere should ke incurred with pleasure on the subject. After that, he had frequent Insolvent Debtors' Bills ; 'but ander the circum.• sort the, egotroul of leeeliament. 'Mee seemed pre communications with Serjeant Palmer; most of theM stanc es of the p resent case s he thesiSht it might be dewy ebie lam e reassofi for 'S'ubmittitig this expence to extra:official; for in attending to an object of this adviseable to pass one. • As' for the reason 'alleged Ploitm6ent, at that Of the erection or barracks. description, he did not think that he was called upon for Rol having appointed' a - salary . in the Act, this Me orlf-lIITHIMATO oMerred, tbaUtbe onty res. to attend strictly to official forms. lie waseorare of was not like the case of Commissionets for Ameri. sow which the ti'e - RI. Ho'lt. Gl.nttemen had thought the anxiety which must be felt by the Insoleerst can Claims. This was to be a great-Court of Record proper to . aesigtiA'for this prattle teas common Debtors, and nothing had been omitted on his part to last for ages. Considering the difficulties attend. usage;* but it is-at an stage' - to realize those expectations which the Lesiststura Ing the execution of this office, he thought that Mr. breach *thaif the ohserslostr. ' t bad raised. • He could say of' Mr. Serjeaut Pairner s 4 Sesjettat Palmer deserved:great praise for' acceptiag even barracks were sitela ed to 4 being subthitted to the MY; that'll, had exerted himself to the utmost, in form - "of it.. He suggested that 'a permanent measure, The battle between Aleraqders and Painter will Ink,. plore on the 20th inst. Betting seven to four co Aleaanders. THE %TATE:WAN. (4114.12LtLI A MEND. ing the arratigenteni purpoie,of tarrying F. OF LORDS, woe. is. complicated Act. lag the Rokborgh foes. Me. Clerk was the subject ,pf the ' er ' "le APPe"sel.."Eurthir wearing " be so numerous , tht )LVF.NT DVATOR!! i the Gatelle, and n Mere litinbiired in' the' , oA . The time was, when . 1 wftout the estimate, kfti'evisiott of Parliament; but , -..salligladdli ~ .k .... . .• . 1 ~. . . •.; i i.l ft , i . ! " 1 ,'. .; li ; t .