The Statesman. — London, England, 1813-03-23 00:00:00

q - most incumbent on the Directors, to bring down - the expenees as touch as possible. As to the eppropria. *ion, it would not differ much from that directed to the last Act: after providing for the current ex reeces, and for the army, the sure :us should be partly devoiM to commercial purposes. The sum to be so iVatiosed of, he should not attempt to ix as it must depend an circumstances; —the residue to be applied to the liquidation of the debt iii India, until it should be reduced to a certaiu sum ; for it was not to be wished that it should be entirely liquidated,"and India he devoid of all public securities. The appropriation of the foods at home should be the same as at present : after paying the commercial et ',slices and the dividends, then to go the reduc tion of the debts in India. Ile would not mention the. a ppi opriatioa of Ave hundred thoesand pounds to the public; he thought that the reseriation of it in tl•e former Act arose from a saistake, from not having duly caculated the additional expences of the Com patty ; it would belnote wise, he thought, to wave it on the part of the public, until the debt was brought within that limit to which it was to be reduced; then suipb.s to go to the Exchequer, until It amounted to twelve millions, to stand as a security for the ca pital stock of the Company : then I.6th of the sur plus revenue to go to the Company, and 5-6ths to the public. Ile strongly recommended to the Direc tors to make an additional effort, that their accounts should more clearly show the result of each branch ; as they were at present furnished, it took great la bour and exertion .to discover the result of each branch; such labour and exertion as few would be; milling to take; but it was most important to see 1 with a glance the result of the commercial, and the result of their financial transactions. Ile begged leave to make a few remarks on the most important question, how India-built ships should be Considered? India could not be considered as a colony,—it was open to all countries, and was not subject to a mo nopoly, or in any way treated on the Colonial sys tem. This branch of the question he proposed to leave to open for the regulation of Parliament; but, in the first instance, he should propose, that India built ships should be employed in the trade between India and Europe, but under regulation. In time of war, they ought not to he crippled, by compelling 1 them to be navigated according to law; three-fourths of tile crew to be British subjects. In peace, it; would be different : then the commerce with India m gni be ramie a nursery for British sailors, which it was not at present; but this subject should remain e pe e , through the whole time that the Charter at tiled suhaist, to Parliamentary regulation. 1k steold propose, that any regulations made during war should continue till eighteen months after pta,e; end that whoever brought Lascars to this coo try should be obliged to support them decently while in tee country, and should convey them back to 'heir owl,. As to the funds of the Company, he should not interfere much with them; but lit thought some regulation as to the granting gratuities was ite ceasary,— the Directors could not grant a pension of; 200 1 . per ann.; but they might grant a gratuity of 100,0001. to an individual. As long as they were to have the Government of India, he would be un willing to lower their authority. It had at first appeared to him, that it would he advisable to con solidete the native army with the King's army ; but he afterwards (bought, that by separating the army from the other power of the Company, it would in fact deprive them of all power ; and under any cir cumstances, the native army mast be a local army, and must take ra , :k by seniority ; the refine, by join ing it to the royal army, no great difference would take place, and it would consequently be running a most gra:: ;toes danger; so long as the Company were Govettiors of India, so. long they ought to have the suo , d and the Ilia : if the power of the sword wear taken away, it would make them an anomaly in Government. The Company had gone ; with the (.overenient as to the policy of sending King's troops to bba, but there was some uncer tainty as to w hat number they weretiable to pay for. There ‘IA9 A moment when it had been expected, that the :tattle of this country was to be fought in LAI ; and were the French to direct their force to that country, and if it were necessary to fight them in 0 country, it could not be expected that the Company sheet(' bear all the expence; but it was', traieh more difficult to cattle au • account after payment than before .the expence was incurred. 1r a r.ited be (malt better to settle beforehand for what 1e:4 -portion the Company should be liable as the re- I gular eartison of India, and that all the rest should b.. , paid for by GI eat Drifain. All things to be done should be dove in their name; all the servants should be the servants of the Company; the only alteration . he should propose was, that those appointments which Government might at preseut annul, should be I subject to the direct approval of the Crown ender the , gigot-mat:nal. lie thought it most .unelse to Wets- late on the question of religion : both on account of policy, and for the advantage of religion itself; it wonkl ba most impolitic to trench upon the powers' now elated in that country on the subject; but; there was no branch which he thought it would not be &tette. not to notice. The system of religion in , India was without any control; and there was one i sacred rite, Confirmation, which could not be there administered; he should, therefore, propose to haw a person at the seat of Government to exercise the Episcopal functions, and an Archdeacon, that the ; rites of the Church might be decently administered. The Charter ought not to tie up or fetter the hands of Parliament. As the world was at present situated, It was wise to make the Empire at home the only channel for the Indian trade ; but the day might come *hen this circuitous mode of carrying on the trade must be given up, in order to enable the Bri tish to meet the foreign merchant in the markets of the world. He did not wish to monopolize the trade of the world; titers was sufficient trade for all na- • Cones if they would trade on the fair principles of Commerce ; but he would never wish to regulate tom.. mare" so as to force British enter rise and British capital into foreign channels. He had stated, as ;bratty as he could, the object of his Bill : he was; convinced he had left a great deal unstated ; but he hoped the House would not presume against the plan, on account of any deficiency in the statement; but that the Resolutions would be allowed to be r ead.' a nd printed, and that the House would some en. biassed to the.consideration of that great question,-... • ow cimo before a British Perlis- tow paint As& ortr . . . meat. Ile .teMili assn I jesty's Minittirs AClnd etttlielYl and not from a wish to Ileittr interests; O was Billy proved by differing from both. Although conflicting interests, he did not ► Riad compromise, by some sacrifice of interest, an 4 w h at was a greater sacrifice; of feeling, with minds anxious for the public good, they. would not be found unequal to overcoming this difficulty. - The Regolutione were then read, whPth recapito-, lated the principal points of the Speech. Mr. R. THORNTON remarked, that the NOM* Lord, by expressing his intention of still leaving • to the Company the appointment of their own servants, proved that the Noble Lord'r radical change was not foooded apoe any locapacity in the Company. From Ms personal responsibility, he took the first oppor tunity of entering Ms protest against the Noble Lord's plan. He claimed attention from the Committee, not on his owp account, but on account of the weight of the subject : 1t concerned the welfare of two em. I'pires, and involved the commercial credit of the ;country : the happiness of 60 millions of people in India depended on the plan. The Noble Lord had not named the number of ports on which he Wended to confer the evil of the trade to India. The fact was, that the Noble Lord had treated it more as a commercial than a political question, and in that he thought the Noble Lord was very wrong. -The pro position of the NoWe Lord participated of a mixture of diffidence and boldness, which was almostiescom- Pa• tible The Noble Lord wished to open the trade to a certain degree to the out-ports, without having duly weighed the vital stab which such an °peeing must give to the most important interests of the Corn. pony. The monopoly of the East India Company was of a particular kind—it was a thing sof gesso* ; and if this monopoly was destroyed, what would be come of the Bank ?—what is to give security to that, if it was liable to be broken in upon whenever dis contented persona of any description should think pro per to find fault with t lottCompany ? The out-ports ask to partake of the trade which has been established by the labour, the genius, and the treasure of thp East India Company. Nothing could be more unreason able or unjust—they wanted at once to come into a participation of a trade which the East India Company had established at so great an expence. Having incurred this immense expence, the Com pany ought certainly to derive an advantage front it ; and it was the opinion of eminent men, now no more (Mr. Fox and Mr. Pitt), that to open the trade to India would be the rein of the country. He ridiculed the idea, that the stock ing-weavers of Nottingham, or the potters in Staf fordshire, would be benefitted by the trade to India; and particularly the making of docks in Liverpool, in contemplation of this trade being opened to theta. The credulity of the country was likely to lead it into a fatal error. It had been said, why should fo. reigners run away with the trade? Why should Americans run away with the trade? It was no such thing. The Americans had certainly traded to India, but they had no manufactures to send out, they traded with bullion only; and how would the mer. chants of Liverpool be able to make returns of that kind. Would the Gentlemen of the out-ports, who wanted to participate in this trade with the East In dia Company, repay them the expenses which they had been put to in conquering that country, and possessing themselves of its products ? If they would net, it was the height of injustice to ask for such participation ; and he hoped the House would never countenance a scheme which would really destroy an approved and existing. benefit of the highest impor tance, for the purpose of indulging idle speculations. Mr. PROTFIEROE differed in opinion with the Holt. Gent. who had just sat down, whom he consi dered as the organ of the East India Company : he I would not, however, enter into any disc us i on thi s 'night, but had no doubthe should be able to show at a proper time the futility of the arguments ad. sauced by the Hon. Gent. Gen. GASCOYNE spoke shortly in favour of the claims of the out-ports. Lord CASTLEREAGH said, that the resolutions were calculated to bring the question to as speedy a derision as possible. If it was necessary to hear , any evidence, the House could not proceed on it too I soon. Mr. WHITSHED KEENE thought the question could not be fairly determined without hearing evil. deuce at the Bar of the House. • Mr. TIERNEY coincided in opinion with the Honourable Gentleman who spoke last, as to the! necessity of examining evidence at the bar on both sides. lie had as yet heard nothing but assertions on one side, and he would wish to be informed where the place was to which they would have their mano. factures sent. He should be happy in being satisied. - they Could On any'advantage" by their speculations. ! Therewas nothing to complain of in the present system. They ask for the adv antages of a new trade,and they had not - proved that those advantages were to be obtained. Ile thought it wrong to hazard a positive good for a chimerical advantage. No time, however, ought to be lost ; and he was of opinion, that if the House applied seriously their attention to the business, in. stead of making speeches, they m i g ht get through it before the Easter recess. Mr. CANNING expressed his approbation of the priadpal propositioos laid down, and of the arguments advanced bey tip Noble Lord ; yet there were, in his opinion. some points, re specting both the great interests of the country, and the ticularinterests of the East India Company, which wows,* to be submitted to the consideration of the House,- nal which called for the most attentive coaniderationt • Mr. T I ERN EY explained. • Mr. C. GRANT stated, at some length, his opinion in favour of the renewal of the Company's Charter. Mr. R. GORDON fokowal as the same view of the question. Lord CASTLEREAGH (*served, that it was his wish the subject should undergo every possible investigation. Hs mould, therefore, wish it to be naderstqod, that th e p rocee di ngs re l at i ve to the ag ain of India should commence next Monday, and that every Member of the House should enjoy the opportnaky of delivering his sr ntiments upon the qttesttoo. A, law conversation then took place between Mr. Wilber force, Mr. Haring. Lord Castlereagh, Mr'Wm. Smith, Mr. Stephen, nod several other Members ; whet; the Chairman re ported ours ets, he and the Com . mittee was ordered to sk Adj at lf-past Goa The salary of the Vice-Chaueeller of England te to be 50001. It year, not 75001. as erroneously statikl some.of the Public Prints; the sum of 250014 to be annually paid by the LORD Cuenccu.on set of his fees aodielOillakellef s coastitute part of the 50001. the remainder being to be paid out et the dead cash la Chaneerr. Mara,, m...a.__• • _ tatitig Frisian et ag*, sight it sum Is :. Weed, It romping Ma but for a mile I of be. raedfneee r 00 that &titled l id& they , safety, . _itbe la the lIOaOB or Como "' " VsliAl." as by tubes Retlectioas ea the Appointment mat i t 1 1 .11111164111 laistecitref ear, riehlte r d o f tgAdmiralty, meets set own l ideas fully oa the *deer; bet as We favour asmosswitates nothing strikiaglT mew oss the iseneetable *abject sif his and the country's eamplaiat with regard to per operalatik heel by sea, we imp tbeeght proper to pass it over. Vats raiwas received this morning, bet as his well-penned L'ocnansideatioa is eimegestble as as Advertisement, it is sas. peeled till Artier satire. PRICE OF STOCKS TILIS Sank 3 per Cent. Red. 9 per Cent. Co. 59i per Cents. 5 per Cent. Navy Eli - Long. Asn. DAY AT ONE O'CLUCK. India Minds 4 6 dis Exchequer 4111131 d. two 50. 4 b p Cimino Cowls fee Aecf. 591 Lottery Tickets THE ST.4TESMAIV4- LOATD011: ?MOAT, MAIM t 3, ISM DESPERATE NAVAL ACTION. Po IMINAUTII I Masten 22.—Arrived the Amelia, the Hon Capt. hay, from the Coast of Africa, on which station she hts bees for 18 months. She brings accounts of two Fritsch frigates being on that coast the Areikusa anditaby ; with the former she had a desperate action of three hours and a half, on the 7th of February, in a perfect calm, off Sierra Leone. The ships- were close along-side each other, generally touching: the enemy three tikes attempted to board ; in one instance, one men got into the dinelis's misen-chains, zrho' was immediately pitched overboard ; neither ship lost a mast nor spar, but the hull of the enemy, on the ships separating, was observed to be much battered. Qur loss was immense t as well might be expected, from ships Co near, determined, and steady in the water. Lieutenant PASCO, late of the Daring, with his crew, were on board the admais, be baring de. stroyed his brig some few days previous, 10 prevent her falling into the hands of the-enemy. Lieutenant Pasco was killed, as were Lieutenants BATES, P 417, acid Wiu.s; Lieutenant Gatseau, of the Marines, Mr. Keirescot, Midshipman, Mr. - Boom:, Purser of the. Thais, Honourable Capt. hoer, wo , inded ; Mr. DIDIATNII, Master, wounded; Mr. Riz, Mid shipman, lost his arms; Mr. ROBERTSON, Midship. man, part of his jaw shot air; 50 seamen and ma rina killed, and 93 wounded. During the early part of the action the Ruby remained at anchor; but finding the Amelia did not surrender, she got under 'weigh ; the enemy bore away, unable* to lay along- side the Amelia; and the latter, from light winds, was enabled to get away. We are glad to have It in our power to, say, that our reflections of yesterday, on the relative condi tion and beneficial connection of England and America, are likely to be followed by flattering prospects of a speedy revision of the causes which have occasioned the rupture between the two coun tries, so destined by nature and origin for mutual good offices, and good understanding. We have it from respectable anti. , 1 1 ‘y, that the dispatches from America, brought by the Dutlerell ship of war, contained the offer from the Republican Government of an armistice, intended to be p-va ratory to a Treaty of Pacification with Great E.:t The basis of such an arrangement is supposed to be, as follows: I. A law to be paned by Courts', under which it sill be highly petal to employ British seamen is the ships of Oki United States, wbeitter commercial or naval. _ _ _ 2. No British seaman to be lo Ware naturalized by the exist ing law of citixeoship, obtained by residence; awl as Act to be _ - - - passed, to exclude such penons from the operation olikal law. - S. A aegociatina to be entered into herding die interchatir oldie Britt* and American mums, 'reciprocally claimed by the two countries. With respect to the first article, it has been seen that a Bill has already passed the House of Repre. lootatives to proride for the purpose it contemplate. The Post has made a coarse attack upon one of the peolle's beat champions ; and with a natant asid manner, which prove that it'llnot upon tlieground of love of truth or justice, that it takes up the tomahawk. We are disgusted. with 'this sort of " distributive justice," which is laid so heavily on the ungarnished coat s but is lightly dealt out on the ermined toga ! The copy of the depositions which has given rise to the unmanly abuse by the scribe in the Post, may or may not be 4i fallacious," for what we know. Mr. Wutriazan's good nature, as well as that of any other ardent mind, may have been surprised into the adoption of a spurious docu ment. But before we will allow our opinion of him to be let 'down, we must be convinced of what is incredible, that he was conscious of its inauthenti city. If the Honourable Member for Bedford has been imposed upon, we lament the effect, while we still admire the cause, viz. an eager desire to vindicate the wrongs of. an Injured Princess.— What man who is prompt to do good, who occupies the chief part 'of his time in seeking occasion toren. der services to the oppressed, may not have an over. charged brief put into his hand by an helpless client. By this, however, we do not In the smallest degree wish to have it understood that the Princess of %razes is such client. No; if the paper alluded to be not an authentic one, which Mr. WiIITIREAD believed, it has In all probability been produced ay an over-zealeus advocate of isnecenee, who, as le many other simi In MINI WOW @MUNN a good cave by substi- Lord whole the.varloos Char:er, piny, in spoke of the which were to Pia - - ,ib czp7n , yrs . ign h i a r d yin d g irec th ted at th the ere af w ai e r re s of n o th w is e rt g them men , of such ability as would do credit to any Government, and he found highly useful in the Councils of any nation. This was done to show, that in whatever way the negociation may end, with regard to the terms Ministry feel bound to insist upon on public - grounds, the change might not be imputed to a belief there is any charge implied against tip conduct of those who have bad the minampe k eet of the C om p any ' s snw i e ld y affairs, .The %aide Lord candidly affirmed, that the trade, as it now stood, was too much for the faculties and the capital of the Company. In the course of his excellent speech, at once methodical and conspicuous, his Lord.. ship laid down certain maxims, in which we cordially agree with him—That Parliament ought to interfere as little as poisible in the regulation of commercial •concerns--a-that commerce best regulates itself." Our Parliamentary report will explain the gene ral outline of the modifications 'about to be adopt ed ; from which we doubt not oar Readers will derive considerable satisfaction. It 'appears, in this instance, to be the wish of Ministers to conciliate the good opinion of two parties, whose interests may, at first right, appear to be greatly in opposition to each other; but which, in reality l arenot in the de gree conceived by those • who have paid only a super. ficial attention to the stupendous affairs ofa Company of Merchants, who have obtained a proprietary (some have called it a sovereign) footing over a territory four times as large as all England , and inhabited by above thirty millions of people. Yesterday Count Muss Tut, accompanied by a Foreign Officer of distinction, were in attendance at the Foreign Office. IVP are assured, says one of the Papers, tlia' " - strtictions have been given to the servants of u.: Princess CHARLOTTE'S establishment, by and with the ads ice of the Confidential Servants of the Crown, to prevent,• u far as- possible, opportu nity for the exchange of even a passing salute with the Princess, her mother, in their airings, In their carriages." Mr. CANNING did, in the course of his speech on Wednesday night, distinctly charge the present Mi. nisters with having offered and engaged, upon their accession to office, to withdraw all intercourse and countenance from the Princess of WALES, and that such ofter was volunteered uiaott.their part, and not required by their Royal Master, and the charge, thus distinctly made, was net denied ner replied to. The letters by the Heligoland Mail were delivered from the Post-Office yesterday, and the dates from Hamburghore to the 16th, and from the island to the 18th instant. The following are extracts:— HAXESURGII, MARCH 15.—Tbe French hare withdrawn, mi. we are in expectation that the iotetteurse with England will be immediately re-established. Bremen has also been evacuated by the enemy. Hrzteousno, Alaaca 17..—1 have jog time to inform yon that the trade is completely open with Ow Continent, the French having let the whole range of the opposite coast. In conse quence of this situation of things, forty ships have arrived in five days. Two ships of war bare gone from hence, to take posses sloe of Qaxhanen. We're here all bogie, and the activity is equal to what it was in 1209. Ships are arriving every hour, and the market is se 101 l of costomersthat we can hardly move fee things. Coffee is at lOod. and will soon be at 12d." Letters have been received from Jamaica, to the dth, and from Bermuda to the 27th test month. By the former we learn the arrival of the fleet which sailed from Portsmouth on the 20th of November, under convoy of the Victorious. A convoy for England was expected to sail from Jamaica on the Ist of April. At that island iatelligonce had beets recelired of the flight of the French from Russia, and the acceptable news had occasioned considerable ac• tivity in the shipment of coffee, to supply the ex pected delland in the Baltic. We hear from good authority, that orders have been given by BONAPARTE to bring round the Dutch ships of war from the Texel to the Scheldt, flom an apprehension that the spirit which is rising in the INorth should extend to Holland, and that they may fall into our blinds. If they should , be suffered to escape, it can only be owing to that ignorance or dotage which prevails in our Admiralty, for, with proper vigilance, a ship ought not to be suffered to slip out of the Teel. THE Book.—Much expectation has been raised by the different advertisements about The Book, but the Public are informed, it is impossible an authentic Account can be published before the 7th of May, as the State Lottery will not commence Drawing till the 6th, and on the following day genuine Extracts from the Numerical Book may be relied on ; and as the Lottery.contains more Prizes thin Blanks, the Extracts are likely to be interesting, especially as every Ticket Drawn on the First Day will be a Prize. BRIAD.—This day the LORD MAYOR, after in. spectiag the Meaiweighers' Returns, ordered the Price of Bread to continue at is 6fd. the Quarters Loaf. ----- Nathaniel Nicholls, bate. at Tottenham, was cosvieted s$ Worship-street °See, for reilimt at shots in Featherstone. street and Prmiamulane, lity . driisisul is ssiell• tie wss Hoed 111. IS. sad "the bread forfei tut to the poor. UtillONt Printed and Pub Hotted lov I). I (way. 4 0 out WriTimatto Omen. 87. F1N141,041. h • -• • " 'OP THE STATIgSMAN. • . . • COIUMPONDENTS. Ilout& I that: ith Ma. • T O A Fiume .te Jenne. le Okla* el ere Priam a iir& r. from *um of d uty, will see by the WO et the debates lest it waist theiranygreatr"te"l"4, o ar power to Wert loWLetter Ole days and, Weeds itegill by gi rtun a w`Y uefl perusal, at It Is extremely dillealt Sr a Nee of gh there were great pourable fanner express bh Geothwenb oa that t doubt, that by a pa- whit safety. Wen it be In the How of COIPIDOSS. • •,:in't:l , 4 • • kiiiffillite fwd. 11, Logolave nobly d e , beasises and animaters I If they it takes etp that of the Princess with half th e ma r and half the fervency, bow many pi ngs they Met have spared the unhapphthe ill-used) setiiesl Lady in queition.? I CAlli t eltrAaa t in the Committee or the !fosse of Commons last night, to consider ions Petitions on the *abject of the East India r, intimated what would.be the nature of the ulnae of the Government to the India Com, in consequence of their application for the al of their Charter. Before, however, h e of the intended regulations and alterations were lass (Accompany such Renewal, his Lordship high and, we think, deserved compliment to —_s • . • -:4 R ; : i