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The Rill *r "Mogen ferniest sod • half, and the Rill **raisins them lorEaclaugoar Bills, were reported. • TM Irish Pest (Mee 818 wee committed, and the repot ordered to be reekoid to-morrow. Mr. Husatisow pee outlet, Ise shoo* uo Monday, move fur Wave to hems la *Bill fur the imposeustat time Laud Revenue of the Crown. lie also brought up a copy of the Memortsl of Sir illtaike Popham to the Ward of Ad miralty, relative to the El Etrusco. Me. W broogio up the report of the Committee es the Dams us Corks, which sae received, aud leave gives' to brit" • kill pavement tberrto. Ou notion sf the eitA liCtLl.Olll of the Esc lIEQUeII, the House mat Otto a 014111111ttceuf Supply, to MhiCil ,steered the peens subtonic.' to the Mouse b the Cbaucellur of tie Irachemee, on the eth of May, sod yesterday. DIJCIIEfeS OF BRUNSWICK. The Cstweet.i.oa of the EXCHEQUER, on the Ring** Message being read, recontinendin„.• to Pa:- Iromeat to provide a suitable allowance from the public feuds, for the maiimetience of his sister, the Decimals of Brunswick, rose, and observed. that to dwell long on the necessity and propriety of Parham:nth Mituediate compliance with the terms of the request, would be au idle waste of time, anti unworthy of the diameter of that House. The peculiar earladieholy circunestadices of her late con sort's decease, the destitute stoic in whi. h she had been left by hi s death, owl the calamities she had sawed front the circudostauce of her attach ment and alliance with this country, against the common disturber of Europe, were cireuuntatices sitiM would, 160 doubt, olienate s trongly in that House in her favour. But the darguenent din which she rested her claim, was one, in which all loyal men Rued agree sincerely, her relationship to His our beloved' Suvd•reigit, and her tieing compelled to seek au asylum iu her brother's terri tories The only point of doubt in the utfair was, .what should las the amount of the income granted ? Hs and his colleagues in (Are thonglit it lint jus tice to the feeling.* of the country auti Parliament, to propose an haiiihanne estiblishuient, and tit for the support of a Princess of her greet merit and city. A peadooe had already been granted her 41. thaeidril lids, the which reason he should only mote that the aim of zo,oaol. annually, be !mil our of the eeneeidlated fellti for that purpose. Mr. WiIITARES O said, he lia.l no intention to Oppose the present grant, hit he could not let slip this opportunity ofroiarkiug, that the last un ust and iniquittout eonfedzrae,. dei the Continent, terminated in the anuihilation of &knollt all thugs Bp whose weakness or creclulity we had rut ised, in order to eagage them with us in con tinuing the deetnietive Ope7atioll of continued "fats. The CMANCCILLOIL of eie Excnvoues said, he . hod sod...avowed toavoi,l thrtrvieg omit any senti ment, in the few words he bad addressed to the Akan. which uti A lst terminate in a discussion or debate, as he wished the, irot• distil.) puts without s &meatiest voice. If any thing like provocation had fallen from him, he most anxiously wished the . Moose to eerept his apology. Lord :tloar TO supported the grant. Colonel fear.irrox Justiliel the conduct of the late Duke. and those eugaged in that confederacy with kiwi, alienist the common enemy of Europe. The grant then passed. • yr. Mustiness moved. ell That the awn of 11110,0610. ds. dd. NO 'grouted to defray the expenses alf purchasing houses and grounds in the neigh bourhood of Palace-yani, for the improvements which had lately taken place tnere, by the rope . aal rooommeadatios of a Comenitteeof that House. P This also pulsed. 11/ Several OWNS were then voted, as usual. under the lescriptim of the annual grants for defraying the expense and charges of the civil establishments la the plantations and colonies; at also ir. atsalisMag military reeds is North !Weis - - - 6093 o • Fee biA•nq briars aaii rspaitiag roads ia dee flWeade of tieuthoid - Tor rebels' espies of the Iliateles of Par- Vrte delkeyin the mere of ntisiag 4-too,oool. by Esekequer Bella - 4,oet t igo • • As ea *throw& be the anistaaee of ex Levant Trading Company - - •,•,-.• o o Sir CALMS& POLK g•Ve notice he would, on Monday next, asove for accounts of the lat.: distri bution of prize-money and droiti of Admiralty. Mr. Forret moved, ~ That accounts of the monthly balance of money in the hands of the Tellers of Exchequer in Ireland be laid before the Mouse ;" which was agreed to, and the papers brought up. AMUSED TAXES. 1•01 . 10 10 • 3,191 19 0 The CIIANCOLLOa of the Excites/um', in pur suance of his notice yesterday, moved fur leave to bring in a Hill for better regulatinF the Assessed Taxes, mud Duties on Property and '1 'lades and Pro fessions. He stated it would he found his wi.., by the SU be should present to the House, to prevent all possible surcharge, Of oppressive conduct, on the part of the collectors of these taxes. The assessors were to be elected in April, in order that they should proceed to the collection of the taxes early in the year; iu tailors of assessors being appointed, the collector, or even the surveyor, should art in their place, collecting the taxes each quarter4ay. That is, the one tax on the first and third quarter day ; the other on the second and foorth; so that they should not, as had formerly been the owe, both become due at the same time. The present systanuf appeals against surcharge were so dila tory, end so often lay over, that the tax was fre quently not collected for some mouths after it be came due. This he hoped to remedy by the kind assistance of an Honourable Member opposite, to whose sspstions he felt himself much obliged. The mo de of appeal should continue nearly the OWIlf, lout the punishment on c.ni.etion of n sur charge, i$ was leis intention should be considerably increased.) A penalty of tool. or three times tl.c valise of the surcharge, should be the conserptence of this conviction, with the costs of the prosceutior, and also those the revenue ought Mew, tln defence of the appeal ; hod, further, the per son, se making veiritious or unjust surcharge, should, on the certificate of the Judge, who presided in the trial. be removed, ipso facto, from his situation. He thought it better this power should be exercised in consequence of the verdict by a Jury, and a Judge's certificate, than rest solely is the Commissioners. Ile also intended , to increnc. it. I.te Jon the number of Special COSH -11111401/an, ". it.) Oisitild be empowered to go into any district, anti ihsimet the accounts of and make their rcporm to the C uoun i„ s i one rs .1. IJ:ter:eta. This messare, he biped. would equalise the orstem of tatatiou throughout the difermt districts. Alt. WARDSLI. complained, that as the law ut prewin stood, an omission of otie taxable article in the schedule, suhjected may person to pay over again the whole tax—this he lincw from tuperi- tt, Mr. J. STAwnort: feared the Bill would be of no great use fur the protection of the poorer class, who were mostly tutable to maintain it snit against any opprtsssioti. They were therefore excluded froui the means of relief extended by this act to the wealth?'. Mr. W. Storni also stated the present grievances of the 1100fi (}OM ttli: operation of these laws, as excessive, end deintitty: admit Mu. The Cast SCEI.t.oa of the. ExuiEQl,En, in reply, said, be hoped ut least to derive train the Muse credit for his inteotions to nomad the present aye tens, mid was of opinion, the severit of the penalty On surelhargo, would render the pauper redress, as mo Attorney would refuse *Aliso up his Lime, where there could' be a tiiir surAtarge shewte iu Court. Leave was then girt a to bring in the Bill. wEstsitaoltit EiserrOnti. Sir FRASICIS IiVROUTT Stated, that some cir cumstenceo which had lately fw it red in the Courts of Lae, he aes of opioitm, had trenched on the istimunitice anal privileges of that House. It aus generally knowo, that 011 the lust getteral cleetiou, he had been nosuitiated u candidate for ‘Vestmin ger. by a co isiderable portion of the electors, without his knowledge. After the dia.-dust, the electors who carried on the poll in Isis absence. bad refused to pay to the High Bailiff certain demands whickhe had ma& fur the eleurgio of the election. Tlisstnattur wsts then brought into the itig's Bench, where, thong i it had lwen khan it th a t he had not th e least directly's' in the eleetion, and though no law or even custom ovoid be produced to establish the cluim of the High Build, he had Iseett•vettenced to paw the char„ es, by a Jury acting ruder the charge mask tsi t hem by the Learned J nage, who had detailed, that since he (Scir Franca.) lied enjoyed the benefit of a seat in the I louse,uud had taken his seat there, he shuuld be subject to the charges at teading his election. As to the election to a seat, he by no meaus thought the persuu elected had a diacretineary power to accept or refuse a scut to which he was elected. No ;he thought the duty imperative; and had iu consequence attended that dlt% set Par!iatuent. But what were, he would lie Oil to know, the beuelits of a seat there ? R hat right had the Leached Judge to call a seat a bene fit ? They mast know little of die Coostituti tttt t who should consider the faitlit'ol diseharee of a Mroubeee duty say thing else than a great labour and incouvenieitee. Perhaps die Learned Judge might have reason to think otherwise; nor was it quite so extraordinary either, when it was recollected that that loaned Judge had tweeted throngh this House very rapidly and easily, making it merely a stepping-stool to that bench which he now graced. l Ie thouglo the aecleittion of the seat could never make him liable to the eonsequeoces of the actions of others. lu support adds opinion, he quoted Lord Raymond's report of the ease of NVlute, where that Nobleman usaorted, that the law of Parliament wits not known to Judges its ge neraL lit this opinion he was led to concur. He, however, del not came to the Ilouse to find fault with the conduct of any of the parties engaged ; to him it was .of little import how the matter should be , decideat but to the Electors the issue was very important. He had called on the House for advice stud counsel with respect to a point in which their privileges were cumanitted, and that Howie interested. Ile hail felt it his duty, for that sake of hie Electors, to ask advice from the House, whether het:staid be compelled to pay a demand in which he was no party, not even by his egente ? and he felt it a duty he owed to himself, that the pri vileges and law of Pediment should not, in his person, be violated, without raising his yoke in that House to warn them of their danger. The CUANCSELOR of the Excoterea thought the case of the lion. Baronet could uto support the House's interference on the subject. The decision of the Jury nod the charge of the Judge might both lie wrote:. But the Hon. Baronet had been ill advised by his Counsel to make the tweet to that Homo ; the place alone to seek retlryss would be in the Court from which the verdict The lost moth. of proceeding would be to call for a new trial, or tile exceptions ageinst tbe ivrocced lugs tried in that Court; for either of these he hoax ed the time had time gone by. Mr. CCRWSN supported the character of the Learned Judge, and thought hum an honour to the Bench. The SPEAIF.R Said, the affair was not rightly cognizable by that House. as it vermeil to involve the character of a Judge, not amenable to Parlia ment, for he was unable to perceive. that by the pro ceedings which had taken place, any macro:mmeo had been mule on their privileges. AA the matter um, stood, the Hon. Baronet should wait only fur the resntt of the verdict. and If ehonld operate to injure hint as a Memher of Pediment, he might then cone forward, if he pleased, and state 'his grievance; till then, it was, however, not in the power of that blouse to give him any redress. DOCTOR WIDEN AN. Mr. BARHAM rose to submit his promised mo tion. lie was conscious that should Ins tion be received SLY it might, it would be productive of good effects. The intentions of Government in this ap pointment were the matter of diseussivii, and though the act was small, yet the principle of that retina was every thing. He deprecated the di.hke which had been manifested for discussion on 11 , 11 politics. It was a false principle. Should' the eyes of the Irish nation be directed to any other place fur redress of grievances, should their murmurs become Out loud hot deep. it might Ile attended %%nit the most fatal consequences to the British empire. Silence was the greatest and most deadly symptom of determined aver sion and hostility in is discontented and dissatis fied people. The few remarks he had to suls. mit to the House, ditl not apply Wilily to the Irish nation, but to all nations upon earth. The establishment of a particular sect of people. in places of power :no] emolument, had ever been productive of discoutelit. The Irish Catholics had long been abused and oppressed. In that country the established church was a perfect alio mai y in politics. In despite of the population of the eonntrv, who were of a different profe,sion, I'ton:status alone weroadiuissiblr to I•ehhe Fluces and emoluments. Their u err to Le seen elms Les without errogregations, and eougrrgalions ult haet ChUrelai, a flaek without a pastor, and a pastor with out a flock, and this by legal provision. ‘Vith siseh Goverument, was it wonderful they were in danger of bccutuing rebels tithe existing alien Goren nue t, a source of weakuera and alarm, rather than un addition of strength and confidence? With de struction at oar gates, to prescribe what should he done. was a difficult task—to point out what should not be done, was also too plain ; cerb:inly not that which was brought before the eyes of the country. To honour those who were the professed enemies of the greater part of the population of the country—to call such to places of power and emo lument—to hold them up as the favourites of Mi nisterial influettee—and tell the country, by j our affection for their open enemy, that you had no regard for their interests a hatever—llonapurte, in the pony mid pride of his glory and suiceos, could not wish for any system of Guyer.- ment more congenial to pus hopes. " Give me," Ise would say. " not a vicious Government in Ire land, but a Government with indent relij i ions antipathies and prejudices." Religion in politics was a dangerous engine. Some Gentlemen might pique themselves on toleration ; hat it was of that spurious kiwi he felt uo aids to partake of its spi rit. The rack, burnitigt, torture, and the wain bitiou of open discussion ow religious opinions, were, perhaps, left out, though even this invo luntarily; but the system of disabilities, persecution, and disci:rural/cumin. made up part of this boasted toleration. Foleration was the 11-eedotn of follow ing any religions opinions, with the enjoyment of the civil privileges of a citizen. The advantages of a complete system of religious toleration were evi dently illustrated by the conduct of the Great Frederick of Prussia towards the province of Si lesia, which fell under his victorious arms. No distinetiuus were made in religion; and iu no coun try were the clergy lin remarkably exemplary. In Ireland there should have burn even permitted, through policy, a free exercise of religion. Ti:.: advocates of religion should possess the true spirit of its untlior—benevoletice and universal love to. man. The disabilities of the Catho lics would injure ouraelves ' and make proselytes only of a few kuaves. A m odern-infortued Oahe be should be prevumeil to differ something from an antiqn:ded zealous bigot. The Catholic religion then had beets purified by being unconuected with power, a convietion which the established religion %scold ultimately feel destructive to its principle and practice; if too zealously sought after. The exclusions were no longer necessary. Nor was the Catholic r littiou, as the religion of Feaelon, Pas chall, mid others, a subject of apprehension, or a means of promoting bigotry, or political aversion and hostility. The EsereitatMoes Doismaticu Po lemic() Theolugier, however fitted for the Learned Doctor, were totally unfit for a Chancellor of Es' icheqiue, or a Secretary of State. lie hoped the good genius of the Doctor would suggest the propriety• of deer • g the promised offer of .aa honour to himself, a hich intuit prove a source of vexation and discontent to the whole nation. Sort' a couthiet world render him more truly Right Honourable than all the diatiuctioes or titles which could possibly bg heaped on him by the prodigality or favour of sun intolerant \liastr . He then moved, w That there be laid before she House, copies of the correspondence bate ern the. Lord Lieutenant of Ireland and His Majesty's Se cretary of State for the timer Department, tone's. tig the appointment of Doctor Duigenan as a Privy Counsellor." Mr. Writs` could not stiffer the opportunity to escape without making some observations upon the propriety of the prevent motion. Hr had heard it ailvaoced by the pliant Officer, the Secretary for Ireland, thitt the Lord Lieutetant of that coun try haul deemed the appointment of the Learned Doctor necessary 111100 the eceleiniestical concerns. The urcessity upon such ground he could not understand, inasmuch us th re existed in the Privy Council of thut country 110 inch jurisdiction. There was not, it was well known by the House. any such establishment us a Court of .I.rches in that part of the empire. It certainly was the Prerogative of the Crown to appoint the proper persons to the Privy Council ; still it was the duty of thut House to prevent its uliwltulesunie and inipro per exercise ; and was there a moo in teat House, or in the cannitry, who could take upon biraselleonscientioutly to assert, that that was a due: exercise of the ltoyal i'rerugutiue of the eft" 1%1116 went to appoint to a high situation of dig nity and trust, the man who had asserted, that four milliuus of the King's subjects were hostile iii theory, and only waited the opportunity of being traitors in practice ?--(I Isar ! liter !)—lt cer tainly must be considered consistent with the res torution of Gifford to office, and was an addition to that system of outrage and insult Against the popu lation of Ireland, which was the dirtinguiahing characteristic of the present Administration. Sir ARTHUR WELLULLY declared it wits not his intelition to follow the Hon. Member through Isis very eloquent speech, although in its geueral bearing lie could not trace any upplieatiou to the case of the Learned Doctor. He assured the House, that the appointment in question was re commended entirely without any reference to the distinctions between the Protestants and Cattllo - of Ireland, and was solely founded upon the propriety of ridding to the Privy Council of Ire land the Judges of the Prerogative Court.— Would env man in the House say that there war any thing in the previous character of the Learned Doctor. or in the interest which lie had ever meld feeted for the advantage of the church, which ought to operate against such an appointinent? If it happened, that 0113 a late occusioa the Learned Doctor had spoken indiscreetly, surely it did not bold good, that such a momentary indiscretion ought to deprive the Government of Ins professional knowledge, upon subjects connected with its exer cise ; and it was the determination of the Lord Lieutenant only to consult him upon such subjects, awl none other whatever. With respect to him lie bad to assure the 'louse that it was his fixed pr' aple to profit by the talents and qualities of every individ nal, without any refereocr to his or their religious opinions. qtr Jowd Ntwroar Mr. Speaker. Mile din 1 conceive, Sirs that whea t its „ u;: a aro:, persuasion of what cosott cu hi;. city Love tt . they called for an itstestigatoto iutu the nutuerne s of the Church este horicshinent, 1 was by sad: worse of loot csedisig laving the greeted for die so. poje s ao s o t, to ao naive dl' high dignity and trust, of a mato who had dared to pronoom e tour milliocis of toy fellow-apisjette as truitors is theory, se a is sly i:olicitoss fur the upportutiity of carrying their treasons Mitt execution. As a friettd to that church est J blislinient—us a frit:wits the connection exist -61;4 between the two isletichts I call upon this Ho use to interpose, before a promotion so prejualitiel to the best interests of both, is tarried into effect. And wluit have we heard this sight f r o m th e Secretary for Ireland ?--We have been infornied by hitn, that the appointment of this learned civi lian has been mule ueceseary, iu ordee to afford the Irish Government the power of prohtitio Ly his knowledge and advice in ocelesiustied convenes. la what way, then, es this *dike to lie I applied, or on what ecclesiastical subjects ore the Irish Government likely to be employed ? There are but two divisiuut ou that.subject, upon which it is probable the atteutiou ofdutt ( e eminent will be bestowed ; I mean the tunas and 'mutant of inirishes. Now, Sir, upon these !aims I coo. tend that it is perfectly within the capacity atid knowledge of every Member of the Privy Conueil helium an accurate; mid just opinioe. They have only to ascertain the uumbers of the paiishioncts and the sixteut of the multi'. To these cotisidela tions they are limited by the necessity of the, cue itself. and it must be 'recollected by the Hnute that with respect to the jurisdiction of the Iris; Privy Couued, compared with the coutmul of the Council in this country, there exists a very courieeralde difference ea to extent It ocelescestical affairs ; yet iii Ireland, where the por tion of ecclesiastical duty is considerably less, ye generally find four archbishops and two bishops continually in attendatnie ; although in this coun try, where that pressure of duty is much greater, the public interest is amply} provided for by the attention of two archbishops andoue hiahep to that branch of its estabhshnsent. Does then the Hoe. Secretary argue that there is such a disinclisaitioa to perform their duty en the part of the Bishops in Ireland, or suds en inattention to the interests of the Church, that this novel and hitherto unknown pre cedent is to be adopted, of associating with thePriry Council, the Judges of the Court of Prerogative ? But, Sir, such considenstions are of rnieor and so. comlary impartinice, when contrasted with the real, though not avowed object, of this appointment. When I consider it coupled with the reduction of the usual grout to the Homan Catholic Seminary at Maynootli, and see iu it the marked features of that policy which restored Gifford, for his grow libels on the Catholics of Ireland, to a placed emolument; then it is impossible for me to pro nicuiree any other opinion upon it, hot as the pro gressive advance of the King's Ministers in their to stein of nutcase and insult spinet the great pro portion of His calajesty's sabjecta in that himpow. (liver! hear!) 5..4 to the Learned Doctor himself. I have nothing with which to arraign him on the ground of consistency. New is it at all possible to admit the palliation of the lion. Secretary, in attri htitin; llto mu:heritable etineon against the Cstho. lies to an indiscreet ebullition of the moment. No, Sir, the Lcatued I ~oetor, at all events; deserves coe dit for the strength and sincerity of his prejudices, at least shire he has been the org-ui of the Church of Irela.:d. What might hare been the opi nions of his previous life, or the habits of his tarty days, I cannot take warm myself to state, mid there fore shall not presume to comment. (Hear! hear! bier!) I base a much more parainciast and serious duty to perform, in directing this House and this country to the swam and crianioal policy of such au appointment. Let Ministers counter feit pretests. mid a. tempt to disguise their r. al ob jects under the 11 brut shelter of idle prettisces-- still the country / sunut he ituped upon ; most eertitiuly Ireland will consider this procnotieu as no thing else then the uct of 4duaiuistration, by they have affixed their seals and credentials to a declaration of policy. which no wise and rudeut statesman in the present state of the world, Over Could think of adopting. It is to call npou iheia to retrace their path ; or if callous to the calls of duty, and iuseusible to the dearest and most coon tinl interests of the empire, they are obstinately fised on towel eriitg, thee do I request this House to inte,-pose between them end the s. ,ded and irritatc d people, upon whose feelings they have so horst iserly worked, and whom they • seemed intent uu drawing into those acts of rebellion, which their 1.474 time% :84.• the ftWeIUOA to deprecate in this How i:'‘ .Ir. Joust CLAI:011.15 BEISAFoitIa said. that an his olaieryatious he should neither advert to foe question of the Cathriiies, nor to the general opinions entertained by the Le/trued Doctor on that subject. All that he contended was, that if he had wade sae of unpareatnentary language, it should have been taken notice daft the tune of iu utterance. and that the present motion tended in his coatiicin to restrict the fiewiern of debate. If 4410'1 ‘ l4"Wilaite had tenet, from any man, imputing to the Catholie body treasonable opinions, he. as eta Irish Represeutative, must say that the ussertiou was a gross libel and falsehood on his coun try— ( Ilear ! !leaf. ! frost the Oppuiition)—but 61111 IW justification of the present motion. Mr. Gif fird's mime had been introduced into the debate, rather, in his opinion, unnecessarily. On that Vir ject he had but one opinion, namely, that (Lepel• him of a place in the revenue. for the express his opinious the COMISI4I4I Council of I) tsb„:l. was a very inch cent act. The Government of ths: day had no right to send their niiiiions into t" couseinhlies of a corporate body, to impede flee cussing, and to restrict an iiidependeoce of adios. Mr. TIERSEY—" Mr. Speaker, I differ ,ray' much from the opiniou rarrealed I.)y the Hos. 31e-whet oho last addrewed you. when he asmais that the present motion is not to be justified, as r word* of the I.earned Doctor were not taken Jo, s at the time lie unfortunidoly made use of dom. It, that Lear , / ed Doctor had never spoken , if hr be never takes his at in this limo*, aid that lad , l• • rumour Lad circulated that he was about to lee appoilited to the Privy Council of !Mend ; still, contend, that it would have been a public tint; make the prewat motion. This opolion loin the fullest conviction of my mind, without :s•• indulgeuee of tile lead feelicig of disrcekeet to c Ltfl ila eVe'r say Hot