The Statesman. — London, England, 1810-11-30 00:00:00

ho .pretence violated the Constitutiest. It was with heartfelt pleasure that I heard thb Noble and Learned Lord (Eldon) in so constitutional and manly manner disavow such doctrine, a satisfaction, I as. sure him, not diminished by the attempt of others to give a unction to so monstrous a proposition. My Lords, amidst ill the contending divisions and acrimonious discussious which attended the agitatioti of this awful question, in 1789, I never heard it ha puted to any into. of whatever party, that it wash's object to set his King aside, or that the Crown, the lawful possession of the living Monarch . , was, or ought; todeeofie int any other person [hear", hear lover understood it to be the general priecipte that the Throne was full and never vacant, and that. teben a calamitous and afflicting e.nergency render:. ed it necessary to supply any deficlettey in the ex ercise of the kingly functions,. the coneideiation was, in what wiener that dulcet wss to be sup plied ; by the appointment of a Revelry to be ex ercised in du...King/a own name, hi his behalf, in . trust fur him, the fightful possessor [liiear, 1 have judged it tscee.,sary to myself,. tw•tkose with whom I then differed, evoll thee. difference now continued, but much store dug ; Dv them now,, that I am acquainted with the ;uprighttiess.of their hearts, and the purity of their itituations. But above all, it was most foreign front the united of him (Mr. Pitt) whose. eaute has this night been so often quoted. In his held, able, and elogisent appeal he, lout down the basis of his measures; there was walk* if .setting aside thei King, but tint full and-oily question was to ate a Regent, to act in the. Monarch's behalf clue.' rug the suspension of the Royal functions. Great and arduous, my Lords, would be the alternative, if we were reduced to the painful necestity either of abandoning the country on the one hand,' or on thel other to set aside the Whereby. 1 advert to this part of the subject, because I feel' such imputations are calculated, should they find their way to the public, to create the must mis. chievous impressions abroad. Such at that, if we proceed to supply a deficiency in the exercise of the Esecutive functions, we are going to set aside the King, and to appoint the person ota whom the Cro at; shall devolve. I contend, and ever shall, that it belongs. to the living. Monarch, and to him alone ; but, at the same time, that I cannot con, ceal from myself that such improper impressions excited abroad have a direct tendency to shake the fundamental principles of the Monarchy, and a nong others that. most paramount, that with the demise of the King alone his Crown devolvil upon his legitimate suceessor.e—My Lords, amongst other extraordinary principles advanced at thieday, we hear it asserted, that the suspension of the Regal Power does not produce a suspension of the Eaecu. tive Government..[Elear, hear, front the Opposition Benches.] I take this principle not obliquely. I de. sire to be informed, whether the Monarchy of this realm is of so little regard,ils duties so trivial, as to be matter of indifference whether it be competent' to the exercise of its nuaterous functions er not. That . it is merely an instrument whose eommaticha and sanction arc wholly unnecessary in the management of the political machine. Is this dmarkne to which your Lordships, the Hereditary Countillors of 'sll* Sovereign, Can give year midst Yet, such is the undeniable inference of those Ministers who: etc you, that under attys circumstance of incattanitfi their authority as Mititsbtrs remains. hi-Us: Boa [Hear, hear}! A most valked M dof mine (Lord Holland) designedly fovbord hurt adverting to the Oracular events of the pier 1789. 1 cannot on this point follow his exaths pie ; and in recurring to those transeetions, tiniest say memory deceives me:lituch, the futretio'ns or the Executive Government were at that time censitlerear • by the servants of the Crown, ,and were,' in We suspended. Your Lordships were then told by the Lord President of the Council, the illustrious 1} ashes' of the Noble Earl (Camden) who now hot& the lame situation, that this calamity hail produced a complete suspension of all the functions of the Exe waive Government r and, he added, almost all the duties of the Council where he presided ; almost, he said, because. they had other duties dot. erAt. noting from the Crown, but front the Pattie. meat. But as to the -feet of suspension,. I am much mistaken if there cannot be found in the foreign Office a letter, signed by the Marquis of Carmarthen, then Secretary. for Foreign Affairs, in answer to a public dispatch, wlwrein that Noble. nun states that he could return no answer, being unable, from the King's illness, to take his Royal Oleastiro upon that subject. [Hear I Bear ! Heari] After what we have heard lately upon this point, it is necessary, my Lords, to be apprized to what• l latent its advocates suppose it can carried. Arc the functions of those created by the will of the Sore reiga—all whose actieps are with reference to his unsaved sanction —to exist in full !incest the moment Oat these servants declare that their Sovereign can. trot meet his Parliament--that he tan cowininnicate with them when he is declared incapable to do so with the other estates of the legislature—that they, by k. lion, assume his pleasure and forge his directions... that they, his servants, may be wholly independent' of him, their master. If this he their doctrine, I as those alesciples of this new Gem (linen t, at what time it was .this Government was acknuwledg. ed ? I presume those who tell us, that because the King has once constituted them his Ministers, 'therefore has devolved upon them all rights, power, and influence; they also are prepared contend fur that doctrine elev.. monstrous, if possiblo,namely, t'tatto them belongs . the care of his person. In 1788, two questions werecomprehended in theeonsidera. lion of his Majesty's servants ; the first, was the pr o per management of the Executive G,,vernmetit sander such ealemitou's circumstances ; the ncat. wed, I would call it, the care, rather than the custody of leis Majesty's persdp. • My Lords, when I first ad. - dressed you, 'I asked you whether in such an afflict. ing etnerguicy, you were willing to turn your hicks upon your country. I now cell upon you to say, whether you are willing to tu rit your backs upon your //tonere; ? [Hear, hear!] T ttertis tint, my Lords, an ludividn al ansongit his Majesty's sUbjgcts, Whom if it pleased Providence to afflict with that most grice. ens of human cal/midis, which has its scat its the mind, that to villein by the wisdom and the huma nity of the lairs, the King's protection *nuld not be miter/40 through the preress of an appeal to TITE , §TATMTAIf. the Collet of Chancery. Surely then, I may ask your Lordships to tell we, whether, when his• Ma.... jesty was > i tleased to appoint Secretaries of State, and Chancellors df the Exchequer, he also gave to them the power of eating in such a calainktous• eatergency as has now falten upon us ? I . see no siet ifreede expressed in - their commissions ; there Is .6 suek power delegated by law ; indeed it is 'no ,where to be found or trace 4, Opt in the Met , tiotil'of those who dare' thfi. - ttilue antlitirity.- 4 My Lord Privy Seal :(Earl :WestMot.etandl ei:. cures you, that tite .. present Minister; are the best •Kt(ol' for the .. Crevernineut of tfie 'Catihtry;i and therefore be concludes that they shotti4 pease* it,• not under the Crown, but without thecrotin. r Another Noble Lord . has . likened theporscssidtt. of power withint the sanction of the Enetutive to a ship which holdsler course sub: insputsu remorum, although the shoals and quicksands are in view. Really, my Lords, a more. Miter. ttinate allusion than this I never heard. What ! propose•hopcs of permanent safety, with the vessel of the State deprived of its steersman, amidst the horrors of the storm, its eailt-shatter w, 'its mast gone by the board, and driven, as it- weep, by the contending elements upon those very rocks entl . Shoals u hick the Noble Lord asitimed only to be in i ptospect.' It snot new, my Lord‘the time to enter upon a review of all those acts-of Ministerial policy, lo . whiCh the pertisaits of Ministers aro so fond of ,referring.. When the proper day arrive*, they shall beltsfetined of thenti listless, indeed, these Kifig , l i tistess , ht the assumption of Royal power, take iiterundoe . the maxim that the King can do no rooster Aiugkl. Your boxiships..eill then be: -euebledio• appreciate the. meritionf ibeic policy in Our commercial prosperityl—it. our financial re. sources. Then will you : be' raped upon to pass judgment upon the propriety of mispeodieg the dit ties of the Executive Government, for the purpose' of propping up the financial credit of the country.' An act, which. l must ever pronounce, amounting to nothing less than a high' crime and misdemea- . nour. My Lords, cast yeureyes about you, and didy consider the critical situation in which your 'Country stands. See yourselves. incapable to com municate legal directions to your Generals, whether *to improve victory or to retrieve disaster. Whether trxpersue success t • it illness, should fortunately be Owlet, or to rescue our gallairtarmy from aggra --,-fated sufferings; if defeat, should ,be the. melancholy eonsequeticc. In such a state of things,. Winged of confidiug in the impulso remorum, in place Of hist*, and consolation, viewing the appalling •dingeis which surround the empire, and keeping. up the figure of the Noble Lord, I exclaim, 0 navis, referent in mare to novi Dismal 0 quid acts ? Fortiter °tante ,Portum. Nonne vides cat . . Nathan reinigiO vitas, Es Indus alert sauente Afireo. Anteinsipertuant, ae sine funibus • . N u dome caritas - itillsiut imperiaislo t s • eliftt r i . Iton dill pinSlitstigeisliste'r:; . • . • _ di:quilkiiegiikpiOde vim:is udo. , • ill'if . ' i ftb CtilikEl4l,4oh replied to the Nstilb est« ifrajojtitif* thit Parliament was bounitio eat alty upon the rnieelity of the tit:,, litedefended the cuirass oV eiluttluatina adopted atiPriiicotineli t which lei :modelled upon ,o.b pelnellile of that p roposed In 1788; which had the nupietit ntel Of iLorda'fliurluw, Longbboiough, Ken roll • t, iaen, the ,*` leis Mager; of the Rolls, 'and all *atria lawyers •of the dis,Y. All these ap rniedt thela question should be put as to the - mpebitity ot hii Majesiyis recovery. He was a,i that o date 11. Motu* of the other House, sitting side b u y side with the Noble Baron, and he never heard ' fenthise such an objectless to the eigurse of the onsmination as he had taken. nose. The Lordship "concluded with imploring their Loidships, as thus 1 ... .red the in te rests of the country.. - as they valued 4 feelings and interests of the Ying—to concur *the motion of adjournment, and defer all far. .Isir proceedings until the expiration of the next 1.4 , A f • uip. . . , .• . - .e Lord t RgKINE supported the amendment. tail STANHOPE WO, that the Noble Baron who last but "nee 'poke, entirely stabled the question. He had niistated the, argument of his, Noble Relative in a manner the most gross, and he would say, could he suppose it intentional , in a manner the most scandalous. Hi would stick to the Noble Lord as a lawyer, and he.woulil ask him, whether In his own court he mould consent to re ceive a fact without evidence ? Would he receive the report of the Privy Council as a proof et the Royal incapacity? He had read moire law in than the Noble Baron, and he would tell. hint there was nb law in the land to justify the assilmptioa of. eo lm. portaut a fact. The Martkuis.of LANSDOWNE would sue the amendment Iti betel itripartit, 4 ' without pled!, himself to any particular course of proceeding wean the fact of the Royal incapacity was duly authen. kilted. His Royal Highness the Duke of SUSSEX would detain their Lordships but a moment, while he explained his reasons for voting as he should.— lie would support the amendment of the Noble Earl, because the course it recommended was that, which, in his opinion, was most congenial to the spirit of the Constitution. He had also another reason for supporting it, as it would [enxblo him ' to ascertain in whose care his Majesty was to be .placed, .in the unfortunate event of the canape. 'nee of his indisposition.. lie was also desirous that, in cassof .his Majesty's recovery, which. he .prayed to God- might be as soon as possible, that the RoyedAnthority should be restored tn him pure and suldiminished. . . . ~ . , • Their Lordship's then, divided op • Earl -Silences's amendment. . . . . 4 . . < Non-contents ii.--..—Contenr . 56 . Itfojitrity, Tint RV V-TV/U. • The briginat 'outwit was then carried. NciProsieS' were tervtleretlen.either side, their Lordshipisitang merely in the cateteity if one of" the Stites' of *the Realm. s Adjourned At iitelte O'clock. 1 —....e........ f 101381:. OF.CONIMOKR... 7 -Ttient , owx, N,,v. 29. • °tithe motion at Mr. LVii.l , l3, a New writ' was nntered for the Penrodh of blelboucne t eirt t fnthr riomp o f Om Right flonour;thit lord Vitcosni LetviAsna, nits Bart of Daft *smolt • sport ;: '.: : z-- on the molion of Mr. KENRICk, a !few Writ *as or dered for the Borough of Yarmouth, in the room of the [tight liirtounihie Lord It mount Valentia. who, since his ekctiou, iiiirstetcpted the Stewardship of the Chiltern hundreds. • HIS MAJESTY. Mr. Secretary RYDER, observed, that the'llteute had again re.amembled under the swan unhaitiry• Circumstances to.which his Right Hots. Friend neer Ilten . hed calledtbeir;attention at their last meeting ; the lamented cottliouance of his Majesty's illness hiring metleitiMpeesibte to take Itnytneatu re either fort:opening thiSession in the usual manner, or for proroguing the Parliament to any' further period I diet - might •be deemed ad - via/gbh. hi thin &Watts his Majesty's Ministers had thought it their duty to Call the Physicians before the Board of Privy Coun cil, with the trie.w of obtainiug.from them a state ment of their opinions. A copy of.that statement he held in his hand, and having no means of con ve7ing to the House any information equally an itiettic and accurate, he begged leave to lay it on ' thiftable, in Order that It might •be mid by the Clerk. • ,- . • . Mr. RYDER tias shout to lay. M document on the tiible, when • • • Mr. TIER:NEY suggested, the propriety of mak ingtiich e i tteceediog the subject of a-question. the SPEAKER: allowed 04 if any. Hon. Meth ber forinelii. objected to the dulfsering,le of 4uell a paper, it vould nut be so delieeits!• in without a question ; otherwise the usage of lied House sane. dotted the receipt of it without a question. • , Mr. TAERNEY did not wldeet. to the - reception of the, paper, but ,to the, form of Its reception. The House were not lecustOmeda witbeutaquestion, • to receive any papcts, except such as had been or dered on motion, or such as. were presented to them by order of his *deity, The present paper fell under neither of. these descriptions, and therefore, however important in itself, lie conceived that the House would best consult their dignity by putting • • the reetleitofthe paper to a question. The SPgA KER. admitted that the observations of the Honourable Gentleman werc perfectly cor rect. He- had been disposed to admit the present paper without a question, because in reading the Journals of 1788, lie could fiud no objection made to a similar proceeding. The motion, "'That this paper be now delivered in," was then put, and agreed is nemine contradi. cente ; as. was also a subsequent mutioni That it now read." • I t was then read by the dlerk as follows : JJX.4l3llNdfibri t 0 FI Oiisietc crlAgsti, Noy. 113' 1 .1810. Dooroa 'Matt - OALLar!'IN AND livrembi,. AND EXAMINED.. ,Q. You are desired to acquaint this itintr4 Whe ther the state'of his Majesty's health is sucks, to reader him incapable:of: coming in person tn . his Parliament, or of attending to any kind of public buslue.ss ? A. 'lie Majesty, is certainly incapable at present of attending his Parliament, or transacting public business. • -Q. What are the hopes you entertain of his M - jesty.'s recovery ? • A. I have very confident hopes of his MojestY's ultimate midwifery. 4, DiV you found the opinion, given in your answer to the preitiousopestion, upon the particu lar symptonis of his Majesty's disorder, or upon general experleuce it, other cases of the Saute ua ture, or upon both ? A. -. lV_Pon _both. Q. Whether, in that particular species of the sibterdet his Majesty has fallen into, it has . been found from experience that the greater number of persons so affected have been Cored I A. Undoubtedly. 4, Can you form any judgment, or probable son. jecritie,,of the duration Or his Majesty's illness ? A. Nor' I cannot fora any decisive opinion upon this subject; it varies in different persons, and the time• has varied in . his Majesty's former in. dispositions. Q. Whether,' as far as experience enables /on to judge of his Majesty's disorder, you think it mato probable that his Majesty will, or will not recovery so as to reader him capable 4 attending to public: business ? A. I think it much more probable that his Ma.! jesty wilt recover. My expectations at present any very confident of his Majesty's recovery. I speak this however with reference to the uncertainty that• alwaya attends medical predictions. With this re. reface, I should say, from what I see in his Ma. L itntyi that I have no doubt or it. Q. What degree - of experience have you had' . yourself is. this particular species of .disorder ? A. In above forty years' practice as a Physician, I have seen many instances of it. . Q. Whether any amendment has already taken, place in the course of his Majesty's disorder, sett whether the appearance of such amendment conti. nues at present ? A. His Majesty is certainly better ; and I ant not sure that he was 'Wien as well, if not better, yesterday, and continues eo this moruina, than, he ha been sines I had the honour to attend his Ma jesty in this illness. , 4iir HENRY HALFORD, BART. salami IN AND SWORN, (IN!) EXAMINED. Q. You are desired to acquaint this Board, whe. then the state of his Majesty's health is such as to render him incapable of coming in person to his Parliament, or of attending to, any kind of public business? • A. I think it is such as to prevent his coming to. Parliament, or attentling•to public business. Q. What are the hopes you entertain of his Ma jesty's recovery ? I think it is in the highest degree probable, that his Majesty will recover. _ Q. Du you found the opinion given in yaw sn'.. ewer to the previous question.upon the particulas symptoms of his Majesty's disorder, at upon gene ral experience in. othereases of the same nature, or upon both ? A. Upon both. ••. Q. Whether in thatlsarticular species of the dis ordrr his Alajesty has fallen into, it bus been found frAni experienee.tbat the greater noniber of peraons, ao all'ClCti, hate been cured I- A I believe form 6d.t Q. C:l:any *Pi n l ce ; o njae r betielarey.ol ti .110*c:cute, of the duratiou of his Maj estvi lets ? . ~ tineA: ! cannot riaehe , fo s r o m fa a r satisfac tor y tperi e jof his Majesty's disorder, you think it ti probable, that his Majesty will, or will n ut ?to 'or, so as to render him capa b le of atteuiliog tl public business? A. Much snore probable th at his 'Maim ? IQ recover. Q. What degree of expe r i ence have y na 1 1 * !yourself in this particul ar s p ec i es of disorder A. In the co of 19 cases must have urse fallen under m years,y c a good r, ognizanc e Q. Whether a n y amendment has a:ready t,i o plantain thu course of his Majesty's disorder, whether the appearance of such amendment o uti .sues at present ? • ' A. A sfiery considerable amendment hat tal e mi en in his Majesty's symptoms : in the c4li tst4 • the last 24 hours his Majesty's mental h ei d th 11; .improved; but in the same space his Majesty h i bees: mote indisposed bodily ; but I have p it Ili ion to lielieve, that I shall find that indismill much sttitigatod on my return this eveni nz . DOCTOR. WILLIAM lIEBERDEX CALLED IN AND MOAN ) AND zzasusto. Q. Yon are desired to acquaint this knee d, ther the state of his Majesty's health is such ww n , render him Wearable of coming in person I, h • Parliament, or of attending to any kind of Ai business ? A. 1 consider the state of his Majesty's he*itg be such as to render him incapable of person to his Parliament, or attending to 0 44 business. Q. What are the-hopes you entertain of his V I jetty's recovery ? A. The greatest expectation of bis-Majestpri covery. Q. Do you found the opinion given in ye n ,. ic 'wet to the previous question upon the ptutiest symptoms of his Majesty's disorder, or Upon gi neral experience in other cases of the same niter or upon both ? A. I found my opinion upon the improvesto that has already taken place in his indisposition the present integrity of his faculties, and them I l og y thisdisnrsler hears to his former illness. • Q. Whether in that particular species al disorder his Majesty has fallen into, it has found, from experience, that the greater of persons so affected have been cured? A:. I firmly belierethat it Aloes appear that greater number of persons have been cured; my own experience has not been great in that cl . • - order. • . Q, Can you form any judgment; or probe) conjecture of the duration of his Majesty's ideas A. f can form no judgment of the precise' it ration. In general 1 should- judge that the dun thin cannot be long. • Q.. Whether so far as experience enables you t judge of his Majesty's disorder, .you think it mos probable that his Majesty will, or will not trover f so as to raider him capablo of attends,* to purr butiness ? A. I feel in my own mind no doubt that his Mt jetty will recover, and bu - capable of- suet& to public , business. Q. What degree of 'experience hive yea yourself in this particular species of disorder ? A. Very little experience. - , Q. Whether any amendment imixilifiristly place in thecourse of his Majesty's • disorder, whether the appearance of sue& ameadmeat cues at present ? A. Ca - nsiderable amentlaskilsksit4dittilillsl his Majesty's disc/der ) daltodivosidliiiiol continues. DOCTOR ROBERT DAELIN.IOIOI II _,_ I • CALLED IN AIM' AND Exiwwik; Q. You are desicod to so:paint this 800, titer the state of his Majesty's health isi sae* , render him iskapible of fanning in perks tol b Pasliarnenty or of attending to soy Mad 06011 business ? A. HIS Majeety is incapable kt 'pretest of Id and to Parlienicot, or spending W'5011400 1341 I sinelM.• ~o• Q. Whet aro tie hopes you ansieirind jestyPe moiety? • • I entertain- very confident hopes of his 3 levy's recovery. Q. Do you found the opinion given in purl ewer to the previous question upon the symptoms of his Majesty's disorder, or opal nand experience in utlser oases of the suns acs or upon both ? • A. Upon both. Q. AVhether in that .partieular species of thel order his Majesty has fallen into ; it has hash! from esperienca, that the greater wasaber sons Bo affected have been cured ? A. I believe the greater number are cared. (4. Can you ft,rt any judgment, or prubaltiettl *Awe of the duration of his Majesty's t:i.iess!! Aa I A • cannot. Q. Whether, so fir as•experience enables) judge of his Majesty's disorder, you think it probable that his Majesty will, or will not re to as to render him capable of attending to business ? A. I think it more probable that his • will be capable of attending to public ,busisesi., Q. What &Area of experience have yon yourself in this particelar species of disorder? ' A. From my earliest infancy I had oPP°" it observing compliin is of ibis nature, a t' tomained under my father's roof. Dari a c ' ng two-and-tor/sty years Mese secwa great ranr! eases of thisnatore in private Practice. N J Q. %nether any anieMl m ent has Ore* Min:eta the eohrse of his Majesty's disertimi Whether the appearance of such aretodePoli 111 , noes et present ? A. A very considerahle amtedment had place in his Majesty's -disorder, which call lig when I left Wituisor this morning. DOCTOR. tritiTSfir.W DAILLIE OhiLLED IN AN D sweattS, bo-o utsgagEit Qe You.are desired to acq uaint this. Board,: ther the state of his Majesq's halal is such -••• rod' ! i ril loiil )1' I viS illt 11,1! ti'