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FT i. iastanee. the forgery of which. might involve a whole family its distress. and destroy their entire PeelPeeq• He should ssit the Hmme, then, was this a ease in which they should interfere ? In the coot a • Illuetiago settlement she, attended with ouch fatal ennsegyeatue, he wall ask, would the Armee feel disposed to substitate the punishment ei;ell, fee Olio tirrOg ia i fiiic .Lleeds „of all tiW- tirles Trr i lZeir o f -- - I,W esies Ut fetid" leheleeever would be affected by the , • I ,If JO ;Klesnl.. Fe4 l .e .W 1 ;lAsreed /nook rateusenot he .soode ;tilts, the great isms ot* &it ersilis*e . ,attsch ,to,the Bill. and I Elide the Wane what emotion was necessiwyber they weeded to it. It was ineuesheM on his . • . aid Learned -Priem" to mike out lois r i se to • • don before he could cell on them to make 4 It an 'iltevatiOn jet the lea. He was aware it Ipirld,besaid that the introduction of the Famish meat of death far ~!r dime of forgery was en edarterstiontin the Conatitution.—( Hear.)—Aecord. • eel* isticidit law of.the land, it was only in- Se* a miedesiesuor. The Honourable and r e is 'rat Omt... lame then referred to the Act passed so the reign of•Elisabetit, Mahe* that the opinions of the lAltiolaiire were. tlsat.iii consequence of . tlie . , nears of the punishutinit, the crime had nitres:- ,'std it !"iii Illrectliee . Peceesury.to guard against new.eneeten j entee At.that.time theressity of, rues ne t ipplieffe, • but ono illiast es severe ~..,.....,,,. 4fet. the roe' 0114: fetid iris to for. 'Mt dtintifeltiddrin altNi fergety,.freir Pos e finiiiiMmil fiklu-la heist. bii4l . to WIT , . his htitteitio; ,w pilloty, sad, his 'see At. and seared with whet 1 it'd. settell.leiepsoperty Awfoised , 44) the Critelli for the setemd "Allteme hat 1 heel `lid th be tint i Ilea. • i444o , Fise the: %P r& Ale ' law '2 Nte Milne ,of ,Eltribetle old/ ,Ittt it COotihrted I fielia.to the reign o" George .1.1. .Every one I g rit he.w. 'braise consegoencrof the change . 24 ' b mow ; 'ee at the'Kerislatioa, thole ptioishmenfts T . diflo 1 . Ivx 4. f ootin f ei. Neither imptisitesent fdr Tife nor' Matilakidi cooldlse defined, "sea „cower qtkoce of which the crime of tergcry hid increased to ellisiiikeitatibiOkezteni; idd ft was therefore lififeelort teriutiOddce the Bill to which •be•hat id.. *Nei . iist the reign of George tl. ' , Dun Mil wee not intundumebeeause • the Act of Elizabeth 4besaaeintilficogious, but because the punishMents it sainted to the commissiou of the crime could .olot' be effected. The Sill was accordingly intro. tuned whilebeil Hardoielte was Attaroey-Geuee : 41.1 ind Lied-Tidbit Solicitor-Genend. 'lt was only 4teeflteil for Ire Orin, but the sithject . was afterwards Jseatight . before the easidevation of 'Parliament, Wed findiag it to be effect eel, it was mode permanent. le weneinto these historical details fur the per. One of skewing bow often the question had been Bistursed; Mid lie thought he wise justified in say:. 41/Alen the greatest circumspection was necessary. obroappoit of his 'Woos, he had the experience •sfo , ttesitstry; as well is the support of the rest .week Who advocated the same doctrines. • On what grounds, wherefore, was it that his Ittotioul;. able dad Leveed -Friend called on the' Haase to make this .iteration iii the law ? for he thought •be inn bound not only to make out a strong but wo iirmistible else. ' . . lts Tookieg at the preamble of -the Bill, the only ground 'in ' , could' And was. that the law as it now stood was ineffectual to the object inteasied. Ott this point they retreat once at now. Id . the case of inniete forgeries. there timid not be the lostatiubt that it wee Weenie!. He did tilt inertia Pry there were no cases went unponisliet, lime would be quite idle as applied to any crime ; , but when he considered the present state of private forgery. with his own information and .experience on the subject, he could not concur in the statement that the !anent law rem ineffectual. Anisterices of private forgery were by no means fre quent. But it may be• said that persons decline Prosecuting because the punishment of death must follow ! granted. It was impossible" that cows of this hied should not arise; asitifthey could satisfy him thin • greater number of prosecutions would "igloo if the punishment of . destit Were taken away, slims a care should have been made out to induce Los to support the present 8011. But he denied ilea this could be the eases llf you substitute the punishment of transportetion, and put on tier other • side the terror of death, you would And that thO laW as it now stands would he more likely to restrain rids from the commission of the crime. and that was the tree wry to consider the gee/Alien.— (Hear, /sear.)—The object of pueishment was the . prevention of crime by terror, and he should ' wiik, whether the penishnient of trensportation Would operate to deter men from the commission df the crime ? Every body knew there was so much of the spirit of advensare in the minds of men, ghat they scarcely looked upon it as a punishment. Hid they not heard of culprits who turned round slid thanked the Judge for passing the sentence of itamportstion on them ? Who were the persons blot gesteraUy committed private forgeries ? thry were fur the most pert perms, in embarrassed cir ehtintences.-witho, hiving the dniortuitity, imagiue • . dine can commit the creme with success. A man about to commit the crime would say to hintrelf (if incliterl, you could suppose a man in such cits eurnstenc,s would reason . in detail), et If I ern iletected, the only punishment will be transparta tion, and even then toy condition cannot he worse thie it is ; whereas if I succeed, I shall fly off • Ws foreign country, where . I can live comfort etile;" for it was not for • few pound., but fiet fortune,. that the clime was generally coni- Mitted ; ' rind turn would come to these conclusions • witlinut reasoning at all, by a species of instinct. ele lad not as yet hrnrd the arguments of his lion. earl Learned Friend ; he would no doubt enforce tugm with greet eloquence; but lee felt that the arguenents *ere all on his side of the question. fistrtng considered the question its lee did, he could tort convent to the motion. There Were various other questions ineolCed in'the Bull upon which he should mint advert, but should confine himself solely to the qoestion of forgery. and should dela - ode by triniag, as an amendineut. 4‘ That the Bill be read was dry six otontlet.'! Mr. BuILIoN mil, in rising to ieply to she Si.li sitot-Grnerel, he should not cio.iintice to his own . technics if he did oot beer testimay to the extreme . 0 ,4 4 , with wbiait he had met the question...... (How, hoe./—He was repealed to but there eon et geeatidiffelince between him and hie ate. lied Leveed Friend (Sit J. Blaektutosh).. He had said k 'WA* Geetleotte.whe supported the ampure head u , q , so tat docsirered a substitute, 'it'd therefore he • . . • I Plo!ii4umets. and herd laborer, which were the revert secondary Altoierbsllllel4 - Air woe iseppy .to :beat dist•lllass: sod 44e , 0011.9entleonsa , lq setwwo Ate doctrine that prevention 4 mime was 'the great ab j ect of vnaimment, • This woe - the revile point' he was tieing at.; ~We lisra beep jding an ip this r eentry ;year ifter ye& .Slw4er - flie,torprcorton that puniehs petit presented crime. For the hit century a rapid increase had hero made in the criminst law; Ores rity maned to wisdom, and resultsl plitsishasents the only mode of preventing crime ;', end now he blipposed the country hod derived* ,ie sog 9 t Ititelinf perfectiO, and could repoiewitkeecit(4, pnd es it wee _so eminently distinguished :for the severity of the ponishment, an also it 'mild beet s Onorkable•for the weedy of its 'crinve.-Tritifidifr 'fat there were Ws that 'coud* dafed 'brit )illoced "this 'mono )o ; the amt .P. l oii;le Oft • 4i/sating *point of view. In ISIS it appeared .that U_nni it somber thpn tOl,OOO - primp . kneed , gh,the proem* of this country; en d W ree rii be the 'ohite . ifri . tilii*.j!, be 4i#Ed • i• 4 any lnimai.oo:m',.o.L9v.Pit Ims . .. 9 l e g e t of deliOttnent;be sew say.egistptost ter Alli iire law ,f There wait another fort, jest eel importaist and as seelenclraly i44t• ipplartil, *op* i l'itrieleace which wei Witt" 4 ;000A iti! 'l'M"' 'Wefi'li:(wit 418 7 litti feu thotrairall Invenile. ogenkr 1 Ffi# .ittitoili escncd thei'r deity breid 1100 thew 4104 moralities. At present they were employed in petty pilfer, but !rook! soon become farmidiMet fo , re,tr; and .he world !Ott ;ii") #OO .1 1 0, 4 Wai frief the ntiOrr of 'jhrieliviesple ilreuders,. Nal ,Xin j 'eug, it ittuskthe galls, peuitentieries, and g ibbets were yortilted with victims, .he taw may prospect of en effecrive law .-..(fierse. Aear.)There was *rather consideration "wit' vi , liieli e lie" ,#oUld 'Utit 1 iltrain the H:a ! if t i, ni ! ue . 6 ~ a imaparjsoa of Anghtptl ; IS" 06 te.pect i with other volumes. Alit would 1 , it bit,beliend that 'in France, with ass tweisty-iitee millions of iirbabitaists, where the yesee-ofllcolo kept the closest notch in itie Peoiife. 1 . 16- 01 1 1§4 *hi . re.e . Pion In' Eltiil4o. ANTI tyre • , , . ; ;1141*ceiy . erty Attention et ell. : Jf 0 .foreigner ; .Cauto to examine the matter, the drat ,thing he i ilioult•inquire wash( be, o Has this system beeb 1 Ivied 'oolgeiesiely long,' and on a ;ear eeteogieie iiiitisbtdiodio eff Its ettVas ?" The nn...rl 1 learbeo Gent leMan had eilinitied it Nos peimst(y '. +l it practice, and God know/43.k had been tried on's sulsciently wide scale in this country, whet*" till your father and kilt', rabhit, t hemillboteut Tr* tt _ 4 he _"lnc, , d._ ik'riii t Ylf ill*ii,therlPPß4 itfwit i r . ' ii.”PP;li!tclifotiOßtgot.ooPtillriatne—.. Reat s i 47 rttlawil oti tier rood. end:kill the said gipsy, sod feu would nut be punished more seeereq , than tor mevely living with the ra id giiiiy.-Mestr, beet.) . .h* o! . .f . 4o:r'if All , eßillP ke %lit Siglig • ...(4;.944 14 0... .. ~4•0 Ktreetatitg Rep exons in itas :: _Nur ' Mans assiatainin then stanlinanzar tensest to prose that when the pia . VP were utitigatd, primecatim, bed ka, .*.4.lkos,,,rii,k,.•licr Ili/ ' erlei - iiiW o .‘ es 6 ,iasistßeil. A ff . itx); time Pena* . 4t . l ,ultto JrhetiAtleacbera, le i.aricashire, preseotaw a e- Istioa to the Home praying for • mitigation of the punishments against offenders. The prayer was' complied with, ankh the consequence was that the tramber o f delitic gradually pstittp aduolly .4i'lliiriiihed. Lb quoted shinier instantes in the . north of Ireland. ide laid these statements before the House esi - elsew tlntt nts ' evil consequences could arise o,4#:the mitigation of them ioysi. no House t int MPS *led Oa 4 'very pnuciphe at mrpteson aim, COMMON justice, and common =Pr is abandon • system which they have did not succeed. The lion. Gentleman "'alluded ~, 4411 . f to the itate of crime iii the !tip o ~ Reury VIII. iliOloll whore retell 7i,000 persist!' were pet tp dash. excluaire of his religious execu tions; and this, upon a calculation, amounted to six deaths a day, S'undays included, doting las reign. The Learned Gentleinen on the other san e pieced ill their couffilence int Like old law of the 1144 and it would surprise 1..4. House to leant that there could Amon greater innovation than the modern Ism on the pint of the old law of the country. The 'erfd code of low was still preserved 11? us, lied Ike ,itc.: b severity -,..ie, be round in it tit rude of • lug Alfred, for onotnole. reiteaird the whOle of :doe old Jewish law, es unlit, from its seveiity, fee a 'Christian kingdom. The Dauer, abolishing terry 'thing else, retained that ess iviiy of criminal pu iiisl,ments whiCh the Simons introduced; and King • Canute had ordered that jetiatilleoll l should be merciful before God, and forbade that Christian mem should be executed for sliKlit causes. .The AripNefisserkehle pinspi,ate Woe William kite coo iiiiitor hiamelf, OR wee pourtrayed by Anicoutein .Pofortira tia a tyrant and oppFeuos—as one she loved the tell stags as if he were their father, yet he had declared that no mass should be put to death for any crime whatever. Jortge pleckstone's and Sir Henry Spelopin'i aullneity were to the moue tffed ; the latter regretted that whilst every thing else had become dearer, the Wed' man had become cheaper than ewer. The law as it stood it .. 'peseta had. comparatively speaking, nu antiquity ,ntall. There were persons still in existence could. venitinber when the criminal code contained not' mere thorn seventy capital offences, although it *ow' • contained more than three times that number, end! ' of the six hundred men condemned to death liar rear, the fir greater proportion of those who suffered desth was tender 'the euthotity of them a ;voter *hieh were so coeoparstisely recent. The fact is, that the old common law of the land • anil the recent statute law are completely at Vivi- . once I on that he would give no opinion, I.ot • such silo the 'fact. A fee curds on the manner tp: which these laws had been passed : -it appeared that our whole penal code had been qoadrupled' within the last century ; every year one capital' offence, at least, was crested; mod Matteotti the Le4cialpture had fegOttstl tliero together, osaking' tap a bundle of 10 ur 1$ offences-oa t of w oo c ht might be of such a nature as to be punishable with ' II hoe of dd. and soother an • alticiows assrder: The fact wile Wait they were ill paled tip &lily ...610. 111011" i IV 4 . k. or 0 0 49i1l R 1 1.441" 1 4' tie 40 t ' I ineoAtta. which *red lit we le. , . bei . t-. 10 the ~ eA d whittled went etepiate, , t ahe athi a. . .... , Alert. set he had we h lita Hager kyleclarlasit tear, was. goat, tie ottodentrati histawees yokies were penixr i til fa • *Hog to . , 11 '- r - lit B *es rat 101 S . . :gell'• ' . . ki, i 111 1", , ,tube, sail that of itself be shoulf 41414 • elteltio o4-4 °° - thlt he -*es HI ittflite ito !ale" the Wait e wafer 11011/ alteratio• of the law. that these was Only 4. felony without benefit , Mr. R. MARTIN was of *pie's, Mat the noise ought to diTtobe sofa mild it could lint possibly, forthwith to resolve itself ions a Cepenesimee isesthe .. slll. take above • law anklAttes. " -SOthir Re - aiming' Ow Meownierable epleel Whin' lionaura awl Jatieedote..totke game effet e wee ,lif *iir 101,igp ;I.eitrneit Ft h i i earl . She Selieitov Gement, but he co uld let 'Meretliill, who, i ci aiti . eat of the House op flolfis 1 . 0 i agree wit h Itt " "" t7l ` unit he had 'se 1.. . __-- LA . Dieter LIMIIIISGTOIii sold it was wet his istemisailec write or letter, n twat/ gent ems° in tini 04.1101110 !iv sou of ihe " owfor .mg, joevis of ohm room nearly reslerep,4l* 01hothal clerk Wis towdl,ll4g, Hi s H os . sod e ler rued Feiesol the Noliernw.lieloyaked Sir William goad his . letter conitsutly interrupted •-. ' ,GM forgery was as 4e/so of greet sasgaitade v‘ alid ought with a lrel'elliitea . 9 1 1 r • a tied Of .roll. , s ' for cllctff to be petnisheel flans dash. The forge t , of T itle . had kg! lincb "oftcoee he 9611 is a lrsi s frajb,entin i nit bensA4 o( , a rrirr hardly liaison far the tart thirteen Years, for in illif clergy Ht w h at i t pm; an d was i n _ . o,r th. .hail been only three )iestanepv wad. the parties formed that the getielemen in the country had au& . h ad el e m . ponishmen t . as they had not 'beeii proimited. Their' was a ripe that morning in the Court which be Erred much by bhving their lumina *Nieto, end .t he . prel l'io. e i is., where • brother had 'forged a will lo the. ern. *I iniiter had 'consented to !take ft or 011,1(.1 toffees's', Jodie* of hu eldve brother; he confessed Isjs crime, and ths So that they hoped to be no more troubled 'with bendier a)tepepir.il 'o be itsio e red . e:olld oil prosecute iw der ° fur t h is, turnip ineekre ! •He (Mr. Buxton) would salt the ffuersie,ri::he would i life , bul be7r t ould have ' pr in e e Zeted if :L 7 1:I ki ll y House whether lens panted in moments of Intl- " r attached to the crime fell chow of that punialsocaL He lotion and resentment *ere to be considered as ' would thereto,* support s h e maf i osi for s h e B i ll }seeps eon. the oldPillar' Of the Co me:station ? He would • '.,inert, lie the scale or life could not be nisteaspheed, es ask the Learned Gentlemen °pots,' te who were the that .f prOpedv. Solon, aod Lycargii to whom we were indebted Tor I Mr. NOLAN al some tenth supported the anesefolet of our criminsl coded They were, in truth, tiemeless the Solieltire•Geneial. Mr. COURTENAY defended She cobdset of the Comatii. **moos, but their preau t = and tenors of gram- tee, and vouched that they had esstered ssio.• mind* imi xi 'itr demonstrated who p . legialetnics " Il e. ,fie on she subject. before they Wade their Report. He ewe % was willing to grant, for inzumeitt sake, inept the tended bet the Cest i tli , . 0 fre he s w il ls .. Irclriz •41 0 . 0 ingli *o w l: present systesit lietinoMee4lfentages, kilt he would Pelitin he " lfea t k er e t r t e he ti ' c" t argument t h at er the e pa Ms holes i or s ' de:11, 'ask the- Holm to eelieirlee. die[ ante th e y Ved a ought to he iroatinned becaus tae troweitry.wai i f of The price. hat ores paid for them woo the popular s assu o ary ponialawas. li e e was cssy s jsce d, If . .sa t . . .. end and concurrence with the low; yet wit limit t was paid to priors dieeipline, a secondaryponlehaseat *Of that old, or the assistance of sue!, a species of pa- he made .effeelsal, fee which relearns he .witold "tow the •lice as even the Hon. rod ;Learned Oritti m elimu .allefelirl ialerled to be made is she tag Ire it rei•let.tolha paideltizt of fbrt'en. 'himself woulifitepre . t.w . e. cringes could not 4e- 7 Th e ' at o 8 o f LQN Dori 'A g fa waa c0 i 4 , 24 o at 'pressed. Hy our old kw much was kit to .the m t . i u titie ,„„1,1 b e „ s we et ; d u d th e it s p oe t o o ....t . th e people ihronselvei; they were juries, witawmer, arta of the limes by the &locution they had given to ,Mobs ,and prosecutor*. Onlhat'sxstent another has. hells subject. , h lr 6 l: sgpreheogrid the mtesiiito to mike itself ipie p howpt ../Arathf t ir the forgery ref Beek -iagreftea, which Was codi - pletely inefficie4, fie ' rell iti es7 ht or ! 'au °e 'iselse:v Pii is histtaMents, was nut ronentent _with cause the risour• qt the law had ,turtiral tke people oi rs , o t - real, - o p ; ,or phetker .the repeal of 1 1141 punishment n,yee,to the tilde of the *Senders. Thus 68 6$ 11111 " woo not a sacrifice uf the principles of noosil reason to the leas expected-from a people who have se nice envie tinging% of plsibinthretoy, which sound reason taught them of humanity sod of jwitice, to aid in punithieg pith rather e• regime. Wiling his conclusion (ruin Abe . dela. - • I meiele on the table, he should say, th at in proportion. es e l, I ' 4 " v kiitY en“ 9 ,‘Sit 'iitte e „ 7, d i *ren t .4,e;tlSer. the s ever ity o f t he punishment was Axed aid invarlabia s :t bd. in . il l is 'it PT l AP else " "L" . th*t re l igious the f miry of the crime was diminished. The crime 'o'l 'pe'rsons would join ; hob a very religious moo • .orgery was most rare is private instruments, became .cottld not con*isersitly be the persecutor in • great I . the pussiebotent of death inevitably follow/id COSViC. number of these W ette r % 'here w as a p er i o d wh en I tip.. ; is . .,111mture frequent in the insinuate's of the Ibtak the °pistil or the e Inks ' • Cpllllo.imit to She .Law. fir Englitad, because th at punishment was not luvsriably 0it1 5.... . , tufo, , I, but • discretion was exereisetl of.couvicting only ' but 7t 101 l now wir ly . A.froireut. ,it mould .tie at- on the lesser ebanrs of nonentity. It was a complaint homed that the I se. of of 10i...t1tRirrY had made the Made on the other side that no means of efficient secuadary VC°.ic4 ,!kp• is hamenity and civilization within Minishinesit at present eximed. He thought the moment of the last century, and in the same period the lain seek a drelsration was not the proper time for the 'movie{ bad nositromed a greet degree of ferocity, and thus t u be r tlr rim puniehTe l o h t e e sa hi res ch t the tawrse foe th h e itt e rto s" pro t o v i d i : s d r . s f ue ee ; the most humane people were left to iceecnte Abe would be to the motion uf his Hutt. and Learned most merciless laws. The flonouralik Member F r i en d, which would not pledge Shout Also should ewe then reviteped the "pew which the ,Cogurnitteg,had ' support it against arty alterative whenever the way taken;lit tracing by evidence the progress of a aea :Airiest secondary punishment should be Knoll eritgiultis Alto the fitit crime to the imagination to si el r i!L yr! LBERFORCE said, the) peech of the am* .4 hie totter of guilt , and observed, that thr in- able ' Member for Weymouth wps replete with pposoll - aell variable reply of ill the witnesses, 'whether Figgie. able doctrine on this subject, apd was in orgasm* MB. bate', brephyrf s chaplains, or getelets, .p i ps fyvmar- cleanly strong to carry coeviehos to the mind of to 3; able to 11 Sitlikulipu pf ,the eeretity of the law. who listened to it. The lose of argosa,est which had He wished the Hon. and Learned Gentleman u sa• f de ' i thas b y h e i t e hi t bk ip y t* * . " I o sd , pr: ~,,,,,,, u e ni ne 6 o le er to alte l lel l opposite would Lewitt* thp g hole nf these evideuces, cii 7 l : of the Bill, if he could ore asp step . of, 4 0 , 41 and consider whether it yes so Dirk, IMO- lit IMO ellhetire operettas 4 mad owe of the are relf GP '' "Melia k It, fhisteeit, IMM Mies mistilled in arts, gamest, is hie mind for rupieg into the Committee weellis Of verities ages, 1.4 of , varieniperts, hewed!y of making. it oppose to the coostry, if they should Frost motivet, pool Care goers the hol or ebb be fumed to the conclusios, that it was necessary still is ti &Mild ell earsolre hi *Spa as *Sisk *Ake r continue the infliction of the pusiiehme at of death for homey, Flow, be would ask, could it Inspire*, thet parsons that they 644 -come to that deteraliaatiell *flay XII° moos so *pions should ell conpore to cheat then with nit i t ir nireailtra u Lion of the red a n st o b a joot io 4 ientertkiniteiailis this Mot • a tie? It was mid by way of 'elution that igai . i , ..,2„ eg further with the Kill, amain ibor" ~hi s 1 it was a conspiracy i bat another solution wag, d em i, i s r- g 4 ;;;i s h I k e 'resew pract i ce as us „ that they spoke alike bemuse they spoke the nos to be iodated to modify it is any degree. truth. With the exception of Paley mid WWI. “ Sir J. MACKINTOSH ruse *Bidet repealed calls of quaatios-Iteptit, repl);" tad expresses! his Clam, all 11 94 1 °0 1 i', Pere ill h i, ' 4 1 " 9 1" ; to ni ' fi s i ri s t Hue Member who iselined to e litiiihing of Dr. Johusoo, look at the boat of ,h er b, in Bill, ' world some . before him, that be might have the legal Mithonties : -Sir Thomas More, Lord BuColle babe& of replying to their observations. Lord Coke, Lord elsreadoo. Lord Asliburolistn, The Marquis of IAtNDONDERRY could sot agree that Sir W. Blackptone, pud, lweides wime lately dead. the Hun. Member ha m d a . r d ight to close the r. debate. kaa . itter,,e. were p „.„. 0 wow hiving wow aut h or i ty ow anyAl cr. BRO ase, hutliGHA floor ow se ce t , ar l t he es e y e a r he ; ous t . 4.4 replyiii in Aqua to say Nome* of history. The Hon. Member Friend had a double claim on that courtesy, House; as it then referred to the Seasiouri Paper of the Old Bailey, ,„ first t, e g ret his first speec h. to spew the manner in .grAtich Juries Were perjured Hr. itY. WYNN said it was open to any Hoe. Member in **luting the - value of *elides stolen below the to speak eves after a reply. sum urceelary to make the o(fetice punishable with a tile. 7 'l EV EY, we believe, assented to the °Osiris of the deaths. If perjury Sere not commuted, lie should ° ll. BATHURST Mom* it extraordinary that the pee l* glad to know bow it came, that • Batik nett in sew of the measure having withheld his views i n ° p en i s( sine place should be worth, in the opinion of 14 men, the questiuts shouldclaim the privilege of cloidag the debate. 4s. 10d. en* 395., whilst every where else it would air J. al AGLINTOSH said he was aware of the right of beefed to be worth SO/. lie concluded his quotations I su p Hirt' Member to follow I"' although it was at eart•Nee irevense by referrin ca with the common courtesy of the Howse. The H ow . no d gto the etiell4isowta y se, where Leeraed Member entered into 0 defeats of the Bill in a • Mill was indicted for stealipg • ;Heir of leather Inatisio u s speech, of which our limits debar us from teener breeehea, and fueoul guilty of manslaughter, (row eves au outline. He was wither to real the merits of the the ilesire of the Jury to subj ec t th e c rimina l t o s question on the *We speech of abs Hon. Member foe Wee. mouth, biked . sai it was by she ceaviocing teetimetvg capital punishment. Another em i r was that o f a of the most isitelinreat uf that class of men sewn collegial's' man who was cheesed with retur n ing from Iruiuwor- with the subject, the Benkers of London, whom latereole tanoo,asd found geilly o f p e tty lareinay.-(A !aryl.)-Thera oeic the molt closely moo " ted with it. Tie ofiioiow , et was still a 'seater price paid fur these thiuge Mao the ens to Shure persons were derided, that the far greaser part of pi*. which he had •Iready stioiteil. He meant that the 1.. grew irate (orreries went oupurtisbed from the rchmence to pew those e.inses which it afterwards 'punished. It fest made create, arising out of the severity of the panishasent cull. the mss a criminal, and then punished him fur the offence. entered in connexion with the character of she persons by The prisons were absolutely manufactories of criminals, and whom the crime was geteerelly committed; elm IMO for the police was diagracebil to the country. The whole arose the most part clerks, cossfitivolial agents, et seer rototen from out hanging our hopes us ultimate punishment, to trot habituated to crime or deeply depraved, het , the oiler disregard of pelvestiel , . If it were inieadeil to. .last' it , „iiiiiii,,i„ In a wowaai 4 „ mamas a Z .I .Z . eseositelge gr.. growth arrestor; no system could be nears able peilespe to resist the strong temptation afonlerl by the "acted tbs. the lesterilli "ilea revelled for early offence'. facility of its commission. The weave of aecoorlary Oa the evening of the day whew eight 'Femme had suffered 'punishment, he contended, were fully with,. the Nip. the seatesice of the law be went inseminator with she worthy pass of the resources of the cottony. The Hammers. Chaim** of IM • 7 fur the Sepseensio• o f Juvenile De• isl e and Learned Gentleman then anemadveried on His linereets, to one of the places of resort of these delinquents, character of the f orger of Bask mates, whs.. he Raid _ was ' to see if welt an awful example had stopped the torrent of an odious wretch who carded hia Livelihood ' by ina ;„„ ai vice, eves fur a gay. He found himself in a ruum fell of and bad drawn isniumerable victims isle his moues, rasa ri l e' person of both acme from eight years of age, that fatal error in policy, the suspension of cub yasureolle and I. the midst was a notorious dealer in forged Bask -(CAters).-a measure which bad beta commeueed he safea. Some part of the blame arising from the exi.teuce error, vim most injurious in its operations, and destructive ref sorb iniquity must seise from She indifference of die in its cessaiion.-.(Meek cheering.)-He cuucloded by es- omierument to checking the motive,. Os this heed he to quote to them what was law had nut been discussed as applicable to all the Bill; .said by Lord Coke, a lawyer, and not remarkable fur and sat down amidst loud cheers from all parts of the House. homaiiiiy. He considered the principle of preveutioe was The ATTORNEY-GENERAL ruse amidst cries of well Irefully of the •ttention of the Hesse of Commons. He sa Q mi mi ion .1" sod made a few observations against the Bill. said, e Striated would be the man •be laid the eras moue ago He meant no disrespect to his Hua. arid Leagued Prised good a work; mute blessed he who contieued it ; hut above she. he said, he heard oothieg dial coulJ in the leas 4. .00 quail he he Idessed who should complete it." Se said gnu alter his former voteless. Lon) (}eke 500 years ago, sod the Snot moue was nut yet I The gallery was then cleared for a division. The nembp ; laid! The Hon. Member recapitulated the principal points uf we , e his SIMI* awl concluded witlpulteerriug, that the present Fur going into a Committee lislefrs lesdnathority sad exp e rie nc e a g ainst it s and, attuve Against it .... alb type contrary to that religion which " de s ires out the .thof a stoner, has rather that be 'humid turu from Ns i Majority for going into a Committee 44 • IPStlliir Still , ite ' 1. Rr. ffIGHY could not mintiest to say that the crime if . „ Th e Ho. " 111* " 'solved itself lute * C°ll°6ll "' Th° battle( resumed, the Report was ordered to be re. &man should s m bar a capital ravine. He eonsidered.tbe ",.:: next. ttiprote it thy Repoli art the CollllllillSt as wet by any ' ~,. te The en Friday Olders of the Day were then A* of, see ,Frleo itfiref." o l !II iii e filar aed brswigh t the • 646 " '' the Hesse 'optimised at TWO O'CLOCK (this iftwOrs). • nootioy ibo 'voltam and judge for themselves, sod pro . tethatt:espipat 'rosining 'toy of the eteerity for She property - -- _- • ill , seep !Be such trideure a. wee &mid he that Report. . Mr. J. SkilThl defogger' the Report of the Comm item, .hrid tispremed himself diseppotated at Warne from the Hes. . Member (11r. bright) eel, ahem of that Simon, without . &a Mks"' to Sawa the susements awl arguments of his -. . A very extensive failure in the spirit trade ha* place on Monday in the City. It is feared that tha t equarquenere of it. will prove very sartoas, fruta tom, uottnasioas of the pasties. 'I'HE BRl'l'lSti PILESS: LON DON, THURSDAY. The :filarteouth ..asaioessasy sf .sir -Fastiess BURDIEVCS election fee Westminster was &vie brated yesterday at the Crowe and t 'idiot. Tama. In the speeches anode in . the mouse of the even. log, an Association, consistiqg .of persons who into • secret loqinsitio r i of spies, informers, nod prosecutors, actingingainet the public press, .was noticed in terms of .rep ro , h hs : e tio ' n f . wria T ed heir tim s ai y: e te l u v i es is • libel on the Gam men', because it is c.eitgeniel, only mith o stir/tut less tyranay, and in this view they were out aptly termed by Mr. MOORS last night, tranvia to the Constitution. Admiring, as we do, the candour, consistency.. iodepeodence, .and energy .. o f that Horfourable Gentleman, illustrated is his podia.. mentiuy csoduet for a lonfraeries of years; hoeing iiitoeMsfi also his Ate! and .esertions in favour af the Quaint, we feel it necessary to notice also so Observation Rbich he made respecting her Ms- JIMMY, because, coming frogs • such a quarter, it may halve i weight which he did not anticipate. The Honourable Gentleuuui enprcesed .an apprehen sion that the enthusiasm of the people in lisp sour of the .Quasi had suffered a diminutiosi, but was answered by loud cries of " No, No!" from .every part of the room. We notice this circumstance, beefiest the observation, .coming from • steady, fictive, and valuable friend of the Queen, will be eagerly seised by her 'enemies. Mr. Mans is not the only friend of the goofs who has felt.the like apprehension; but it is conso latory to think it originates in .excessivesnitsety and seal iu her cause. it is very true that her MA. JEsee's mansion. is pp louger.croaded with deputa tions, nor the metropolis traversed in every dims , : ti n t ) with processions; but a decline of euthuaiosas is not to be iufericd from this state of quiet. The QUSEN has fought and conquered. The clangour of the tresapet rad the dio of aims cease of course after the battle, and the spirit of the ,warrior .subsides in repose. So is it with the QUEEN sod the people. The spirit excited .by her wrongs and sufferings is not dead, but sleepeth; and we are coufideut that, if any new set of in justice were ot4empted against her life or honour, that spirit would awake like • giant refreshed, with new life, energy, and ardour. All anaiety in the mercantile world respectiag the timbale vole N now tK en end, for the Bat to regulate the duties upon Foreign and Col ead Timber was read a third time last night to the House of Loida and Primed. Upon this subject t h e agi n i t t e es had a very &Scutt pine to play, and in our opinion they escaped from the dificut ties in a ilaunar tnficiently creditable to iltess 'rivet; and advantageous to the conflicting interests of the Canada', of the merchants coutiected waft the northern bode, and of the consumers in ge neral. We admit that the measure militates in principle against the theory of a free trade sad of obtaining the necessities of consumption at Ifni nearest market, but we cannot lose sight of the grail claims which our Colonies have ups. the parent country for protection_ond encouragement ; and considering that the trade of those Colonies is confined by our partial laws to ourselves alone, we should regard it as highly uojest to place ebbs its the light of foeeigu nation., and enforce against them the utmost strictness of a theory which we have already violated with respect to them by the restraints previously imposed opium their commerce. If it be really desirable to admit foreign maims. rivals or enemies, to a free competition in oar markets with any of our Colonies, such a propo .ition must ever in justice go hand iu band with a resolution of throwing spew the trade of such co lony to the world. With ►espect to the relative merits of the Baltic and Canadian timbers, very conflicting evidence has bete given before tee Committees ; but . this .ia # fact not to he disputed, that since Parliament encouraged the importation of Canadian timber, by iseposiag a heavy duly upon the timber of the Baltic, the price of the Baltic timber has actually fines' one-third in our ma►ket., so that the duty, instead of operating ueceaseily, as Lord Latineatiate represented it, ass premium for purchasing inferior timber, has, in pent of fact, made the Baltic timber snore attainable than it was before, if the consumers thought it preferable iu use to the timber from the Colonies. Being upon this subject we cannot •voiJ coaling one lurther remark. There •re in our opinion acme ( .0....:-1-nitio ns worthy or • statesinsue• •tteu- tiuu beyond the views of policy nserely commercial. The affectionate attachment of our Colonies ought not to be raciiaced to the pursuit of any illgvuious theory, or to the attainment of vome pecuniary ad vantages, should they be even more unequivocal in their nature then there which might be anticipated from the doubtful policy of preferring the tintbrr of the north of Europe to that of our American fellow-suhjecta. We ure glad to perceive that Mr. BROUGUAII he* dawn the attentior of Parliament to the dangerous innovation upon •ur Conotitutina that has recently appeared iu the formittioa of a self.etyled Cann- could ..t consent to the abolition of the Pe*lsept.S . tiled on of daub. ogille (Ip. Beeivoo) did net :61,1ty; nude eete that traespirbteriAilld tseettl k iti 'f r Als. .house, wo Get, it met Orr pumilials'olet Olt% tit - . tetfee; requested I oso.of i the privileges orbits thiesty,:stitibiti* 'eines' pleaded tl to any sine who might qeslify himself* cailisittrus; replied, the a tgampreetable offence • but whets he admitted that. of clergy Val it talia-us•iiie't tii;!•_•.l o . - 11,Afitsr. *yokel:wet ?- . therefore, Tliiiiiiiis Wait - primes diseiplitowlose eentinement, ,sycedote.. • . ..r .41-:. - I