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. . x • :OV. 14, lirttus were ?be intention of the oath, why had it bet .beet so. reseed ? He would 'leave it to any One to deteseine if it could hare been the intention of the Legislature to leave it to those for usth aim proposed to put their own in.. tirPietetiea wpun• it, meaning. Rs respected the probity of the 'Catholic body-.-it had been sof& ei ofillik-iitkPlttkv7 ;j be *law. refused ta the Oailrof Supremacy, and their reluctance would tie so much stranger in propor. ez.OferigitiflN ii„left, .the ,Co44*.ts,detto. yam Ti3O im.el Pt& he had sworn,.er what be ha4os4 swim. , He, did not, understood on what PriopPle they...coild demand greater secudlies frog 11 1. alisOas of., the Chai-ch .of • England thafs,.traffi . totholics. The Protestant had to stem he did not believe the Pope awl or might to have any power .or joriadsc. two, whataseva; the Catholic would only have to smear that tb, Pope had no jurisdiction except in matters a religions belief. His Lordship thsrp . tul•ok at what took place at the time be4A come to tke throne. Catholic' were allowed to and soldiers, bet the State would, not laqa of their geniis, r u st the Parliament. He begged lbw alao,to remember the various plots and ctrafw, 1411Plitli !wise so bracpsentlY batched. lied hp. ni 90 t 4 by_ tholics, between ,that time and.the. l reign ,o! 111. Lot OF*. remember. RM.' puresaceley svbich the Tee; and, * Corporation Ads had been permed._ in one of which, by way of cads; oolemo compact between the King end the people on behalf of the Protestant religion, the., deelerattoo against transubstantiation had bait intratinced. That oath and . declaration her •be takeit by their King not. twelve month. egst,..,and by envy Member of the Parliament; auci that they might not. want a weighty memento to remind them .of all the dangers through which tbc pinta had been .conducted, he would, besides snentiooing the form of prayer daily pronounced in that floo,se, observe that them laws were declared to - - 1 and fandamentaloy _ shape and form IS . intended to last berme fixed m. of Tuleraiiow let the Pro. take the oath 4 by this to ,et of Con. 4040 it threat s interested by repeal the Test next to the Bill indeed Magna Charm, • bessubjected to -4 Rights, no to establish satioo to the the Union of itual power of was a difference establishment, ed. . the adrassaion professing obedience to: feel ditch establiehinent hod not teas since The Reef lotion. Them wee. not one Single claims is the, Bill to eusct the vstiblisliment of a Catholic Church ; and yet they .were going to admit ,the existence of such a chorch,, which. was . denied . an . existence in a •cooatty, where there wet a Protestant. King reigiung t arid 111, the estaldishments, were Prete*. taptsTbe *et. of ,Seotch !lesion 'had continued for_.• century without interription. The Irish Act of Union 'had scarcely. passed when alterations •weit..attempted. Much reference bad been:made • to* British: Act of 1793. If the Hnase would look back to prei•joos Acts of Parliament. so the - Ist/tend 14th Geo. 111, for instance, they wookl find that Catholics at that time scrupled to take the Oalb -of Allegumet,And would pot secure 4dglity,t, the lElectress.'Sophia. In Abe Act of 93.Geoript there waists osth.prescribed for Catholics, by abiels they were to swear that they would, not exercise any privi/eges to which they were entitled, mu as to &orb and weaken the Protestant Government and the Protestant religion of this kingdom., He had seen a cop, of this.stetnte, published aye thulic ; the comMeutary which wee added transited, that ell were agreW ip this;—that to violate the-oath it nes necemitsy,to disturb mid weaken notunly the .Protestant Government ".hot the Protestant • gioo, which littler parts of the sentence were. also, counecterki i )sy . the adjunct sod, The ingenious. commentator insisted upon it that. by the insmtioa of and for or in these two tostaoces,. it woe necessary ; to•offend spinet each &emirate depsosslence of the whole plumage before the legal of could be com mitted. Hin lerdehip. proceeded to she that in all the enactments (wbich..he eournerated) qiesitly to that which he had last mentioned, which gave relief to Catholic% securities had been taken • against the 'influence of certain exercises of the. ceremonies of the Catholic religion. He then pro ceeded. to comment Upon the technical framing of the Bill, which, ie it was in* his mind contrary tb • the. Spirit of all our legislation since the Revolu tion, so also it was miscalculated to give satisfactory relief to the Catholic, or peace and security to the Piotestant mind. Ile ridiculed the idea of forcing this Bill of Cuncessiou on the Catho lics,: whotever their dispmition to .receive He compared this project with that of the militia eerjesot to Ireland, who followed a man with a cat o'-inue.:tails, to force him to become a volunteer. He criticised the probable application of the Bill. as it respected thesiduaission of Catholics to offices of State. 114 Lordihip mode some further remark. on the excellence of the Protestant system, and ou the danger of encouraging the Catholics (in sup port of which he quoted the opinions of Hsrdwicke, Locke, and others,) He concluded by opposing the motion. 'Clut Bishop of Nowwtcn explained stone pen. sage in his -speech of last night, but in so low o: tuns, that we regret we were not able to collect, his •bservations. Lord Geeevtl.t.a spoke at considerable length in support of the second .reading of the Bill. He comsneuced by stating, thit there was something in tt'e Vest question which occupied the attention of the House, that immediatedly called to his re collectien all •• hick the question had been introduced to their bffthhip!'_ stoke by. the nal sad wirsetitatice of individuals, strongly impressed with the beneficial results that must occur if their opinions prevailed; memger... sided and supported by. the wisdoms, the .talents, and the virtues of those illustrious Statesmen, now no more, who so often and so ably advocited this measure. It came, however, be fore their Lordships in a widely different form now. They were not called upon to consider it from any affectims. or rensenihrance of their memories, nor from any conviction, however well founded it might be, of their ability to decide upon any question that world tend to the benefit of their country. It Leamigliefore them stamped with the recommendation of .the other House of Parliament.—(Hear.) — It came in this shape, after a long, mature, and calm deliberation, which had been conducted with that temper, moderation, end wisdom, which must. have given the highest satisfaction. They tell yes the happy hoer is now arrived, when you • may. safely -*move year Catholic fellow-subjects from Allot degraded ,and. heatilisting condition by whirls they have been so. long end so unjustly ex cluded from the • pale of the Constitution.— (Hear, hose.)—Were. their • Lordships then pre pared to sob that when such a measure as this was brought forward with such strong claims to their consideration, they would refuse to entertain it, refuse to debate the principle,or to enter intanny discussion of the claims ? He did hope that Noble Lords would ant have met the Bill in this Messner. It were stated that it wrs not advisable to admit foot miltione of people to the advatitsge•of the laws, and the possession of their rights; thee there might be some reason to conclude at once going into the Bill. If it could be slew* dun the admission of the Catholics to the blessings of the Constitution was iii any way repugnant to the spirit of thst constitution. theft might they refuse to go into details, and decide that the measure in any shape was not worth the consideration of the House; although he must say that there are few occasions, if any, aria matter of great and universal concerti, -which involves the interests of the whole empire.and . _ the fundamental principles of the constitution, that the. Howie has a right to refuse to enter into its dm eussiou. But to this instauce be was quite at a logs to conceive on what principle of respect, as far as relates to the other House--on what principle of *nom, ,is far as relates In the interests of the whole empire—or ors what principle of justice, as tact*, the individuals deluded, their Lordships could declore that they would not give the quertiaat . their consideration; and if he could agree with his , Noble and Learned Friend . (the Lord Chancellor) with respect to his verbal criticisms on various classes, or even on the total omission a row of these elate/T el e:ill the coselesion be alscusld , coma to ***4o Up that t shertdd read that Bill a second time, is order to come to thole conch...lone wilieh would be to the geweral satisfaction. Ho shield feel it his deity to depart from the examiastirea of she tusauds which the .N..ble and Liaised Lord had thiassitit fit to lalistrince, and .to take a mare enlarged view of the questing. In. every thlug that Noble Lord had said of the inseparable principles of the Church aril Stets, he most heartily 'concurred; is every thing he .said of his attachment to the established religion, as bring she purest Chards, bet& in doctrine amid discipline, iii the Gluiatiaa world, he fully agreed; is &decided pre ference fur that Church so what be considered the error,' of die Chtierb of Rome, no man was move eteadfast ; of the . Ilk-amity to support and uphold that religion as inseparable from the Civil Government ,f the (vestry, no man entire ttiosd . mete decided epistles"' sod art man would be more . anxious to suite • oarlr olio head every - heart sad soul of every man who owes allegiaure to his Majesty. But does the experience of fruitier time give us any hopes of the' possibility of effecting this object? it had been un - ' ppily.the mistaken policy of this country to eudeavour ' sreelty, oppression, and confiscation, to promote this*. ' 5 et. Of the sucrose of this experiesear, it wee aot mutes. 4.1. wary to enter into any account. At length it has beta tracer. tallied that nothing was more likely to produce a pat, Iraq effect thee persecution. The Noble Lord has stated • that the matter should .be left in the same manner it • was, by William ; that we should sot chalice one sire& iota of the. principles established al the lievoletioa, awl yet in almost the same breath he said the matter siurold be left precisely as it now statute. To whir* of these principles thee were we so adhere? There is 'mu 'man who moot out know that the principles of the times to which that Noble Lord had alluded are diametrically opposite to the polity which, happily fur ibis country, has bete pur sued for the last fifty years. .From the rrieu ul El/eds.-6, the first attempt was made to compel the Catholic' of Ire lend to profit the same religh.ns opinions at the people of England, and there has bee. • loot succession of Acts of Parliameat passed in Irelend to aggravate sing severity. Tbs. Noble Lord who introduced this measure bad entered into sides rl tail of the consequences of this system of persecution. to thrt, course of one centnry the &monist of confiscation in Ireland amounted to 700,000 ache. This tins more than covered • the whole **awry, but as had. been stetted, the manlier of accounting/Ur it was, thus the land had , hero coati d two or three times over. •It eras lot hes 'rue to rake up too ashes of fire long extinguished, nor justify by a parotid the cruelties that were inflicted on one aisle or the other. Every good man must wish to see fir ever tbrgones Iliose grievous calamities, which ma oily be remembered with detestation and althorrestee.--(Merws)-wAt length a system of laws wee Introduced is Ireland, having fur their professed object the removal from the Casbohics of the little property they. had remaining. He should endeavour to point out she cow ' sequesters of these taws; awl In enter to *his, be simnel/ - quote no -opinion. of a mow-owebjert losable witness, Deals '• Swill.--(The Noble Lord theirreed some passages from this' celebrated writer.) -0-w e J oe l, up., liar papists here.. mere women and childreoi their lauds having been taken, from them ' and they a re rendered incapable of porchasieg m e re. Thsoe persons are the devieedants of the Wreaker, possessors of the soil, and see deprived - or the lend poireened by their saereters ; and men if theyeheotil, by any GOMA. • ragemest he induced t o porrleose teed., .by the lade laws ,' agaiust Popery they are disabled from so Agog, so • that the little that remains most crumble away. The eneee. quest, of this is, that the mot • considerah'e of them have turned Protestants, and sassy more are likely ro•' follow their example.." Their Lordships mast naturally wonder to ere ibis publicly unites of any country, and still more to hear that it hes been acted os. The continuo people have been len without leaders, nerd that is the system acted epos at the preemie day. The writer goes us to state, that by these mesas " the people were left without leaden, without discipline, aid would be deprived of 'their natural earrate." Hash, inconsiderate.man ! to suppose that the people of Ire. land could, under any circuinsteurces, hardships, cruelties, or privatitne, ever hole one spark of their natural courage.— ( Hear, Asar.)—" Therefore, under those circumstances, with out leaders, tinhorn discipline, and without courage, it Is geuerally suppeeed they will be readered incapable of - .. - . _ at 'hat - expect This :.~. • - theft was malt hustle( . of !reload thing but •• weight gle . , it was chugs t t G4 s zteem, the Id= - into of Ilas Copan brow open to tbo pursuits ai r l to OAS mi . loth = intro= the . , and ameiluesee lb, of the P ro *, ' if _l e were ones admitted, that the groat UN= of t h e ropey ' 1 of - irekintel were, hen their rall.ffitir SPitelesoS: heavier ' him of discharging dm duty ofi k g * ell set., I, what eseselseion would Ms imelsoeholy sidensest lead its? GM it comes to this, that all ws ha= bee. mei dein was. ,'J tbattliii court...toes granted to the Catholics ware downy made; that we m u s t s ow , ret ear siepo, ''. is agate twin them bark into that tosdielos hi whielblffiWy would be incapable of doing saischieL The Nohloieuld Learsied Lord bad made an attest= to a furious Nip& that 01111110 ed to create great alarm is his mind. But Is iss sot this Bill that dashed open the dark door of the holm y . We are not sow t o cons id er w h e th er t hi s is to b. let free, but whether honor boos lot loose, we ea rim duce hi= to his original dispassion& sad contue him spits in his cave. The mesoest the Bill of ITIG IMO. tamed, when the first concessive was made, tiro the seis e chief was done. The Great Seal woe removed, and liberty was jives to Ireland, she was restored from her present story of oppression, sod has been progressively improving until' she arrived at her present state of wealth and power sae CONlMPreilli prospenty, which i s the pride an d g l or y o f the Legislature of mode= limes. Much had been done by for mer laws; let us mliar do what still remains to be dose. These is • pripciple is our lairs, thst Ike moment tte slave touches the emit of Britain, that moseest be ceases to be a slave, that moment he is admissible to the protection of tha Constitution. I'be Aet of 1793 was the moat incongruities and inenoventeut that could' be imagined; fur solely it cannot be • prtseipia Pf our Constitution, or indeed of say other, to degrade only the higher cheery, from whom you expect all the advisably. of society. And are they to be IM oily persons who are marked nut •s Gt objects for degradation, oppression, and insult ?-4 Hear, Itear.).— Istleed in a constitutime which threw open its arms to every maw, it was diffieult to select any for esclusiou, for pains not withhold from*** man what you give to another without a pins and direct violation of the Government and Constitution of the country. iVithost going into the abstract principle of universal right, he would say that eve= man has ' • cones= right.—r , Hoar, Asar.)—And bookies at It practically, will any mss illy that the system soma= at present in Ireland, of keeping the higher dames of society is a mate ofjealostsy and distrust, is ant fraught with the most pernicious coosequeimee? What was demised eil by the present Bill was sot an inaowation, it was se new siesintire, it was the completion of that which has bees soling on for the apace of forty years. The House was Hers called spas to take one declines step, and era'• . from their stslute.bsoks the disgraces% =mama of the.. odious laws, which mast ever , roinusisr as. a main on this eoustry.—( Hear )—Hr begged their Lordship. to I=== be fore they told the Roman Cotholics they were incapable of falfilliag their allegiance to their Sovereign. Nothing could be more cajun this to attribute to •uses (visite= which they sever 1te1d...-which were merely dedwird from tensioning, This has been do -grimed of all peroeutrws fur religious opi. Moos. The Noble Lord next cams to the question of secs. rives, which he considered necessary to satisfy certain pre judices, but if there were any other securities necessary than the character of the Catholic. thesnolves sufficient security would be found in that Bill. —(flecer.)2-But if there 'were no securities at all, so highly importast did he ecomider the present measure, that if it tame from the. Comm... is that shape he should give it hie sopport.—(Heor, hear.) — The Commons have decided that it is not only safe, but . expedient to allow Catholics seats in their House, and *mild the House of Lords refuse seals to six of their own Member. who bad lILN hereditary right, some • more alleititli *tit one • less certain than say Noble Lord in that illoodr.lie-(floww.) The Noble Lord thee alluded to the i•feneoss coempirsey of Taos °afro, and the death of Lord Stralford, and conclodid with an earnest appeal to the Howes 11l soppurt the measure. —owe regret exceedingly our limits do sot pet mit us Se glee his Lordship's speech at the length we should wish I ' The Earl of LtiraitPo9l, roes said said, .he so p.• posed that he had heard every thing-titat could he urged in favour of the Bill, and he agreed with the Noble Lords who supported the measure, that it came in • sew feature, its having the approbation of the other House of Paellitenent, and he gave that all its doe weight ; at the same time it would sot overbalance hit objections to the measure, as it was a Bill to retitle all penes. professing the Roman Catholic rrligicut to be eligible to bold the chief sires of the State. His opinion was, that the Members of his Ma. jest?* Conseil should continue as they weer, formed of per. =us belonging to the Established Chirch. He was willing to give the ClttilOliell every privilege as it regarded propel t 7 evo4pllloool.l rights, with the exception of their being the ad. elm= of that Throne. He differed from the general priacipl , s of `the Noble Baron (Grenville), fur thry hail not • founds lies to stand us—although apparently good in theory, they i- werlddites lost is practice. It was not for bim to give any de , ebled 71:ionoss whet eaght or ought not to be granted to tie Ca ie., but be would Dever agree that they should bare any thing beyond toleration, which allowed them to ourship the Almighty in their own way, and to follow their avocations ' undisturbed, without mixing in the affairs of the State . —be would give them every thing bat political power. His opi- Pius as this subject was not mixed with bigotry, or the misdoing. of Catholics is former times—is was an opinion not formed on his frllow-aubjecis of that religion, but un what he considered Ike welfare of the State. lie bad the ho nour of knowit.g men of that religion whose characters were without blemish, and whore talents and abilities were equal to say of their fellow-men—but that was sot a reason that the State should be endangered by Catholic advisers. If the 811 l did not pas. he was of opinion the Catholic pops-, latiois of Ireland would be most useful to the empire in the same degree that the Scotch had peewid themselves after the Union. If the Bill passed there word,' be an cud to the Established Church in Ireland. He merely tOnclerd on this 'object before he proceeded to discuss the merits of the Bill, which formed two important features. There slight be those who thought that the Established Church, as forming a part of the Constitution, was an evil. If it was so the Bilious their Lordship.' table was correct ; if It was Deem vary, after the country had flourished for centuries tinder the present Comoitittion of Church and State he was of opinion if they were separated there was an eta to the Con. stitution. For iustince, if the Bill passed in its p resen t s how would the Mona. Catholics be satisfied ? They 6 waled not; and . she mitt thing they would require I world be the reposl of the Corporation Act; and if that was granted, Seem, Quakers, dm. sad every sect would ronslder themselves tiredly entitled. And what would it tined to ? that no pennon. would pay tithes except to the clutch they belonged to. It was hardly necessary for him to isfewsa their Lordship, that this was the doctrine of Priestley, p whiellthe promulgated amongst the religious sect hr presided over. Theo, he would ask if these concessions were made Is the Catholics, would soy one of their Lordships belie.. • , shiy would be satisfied, and rest nn the boon granted to tb . a t• " -i-Wasnalld not be; frir as long at they paid their priest they i grouligiNsiehri withdraw their tithes to the Established deaf& `'As die not attach Manse if they did so ; for It was natured that ors strongly =goat= in a religion should son like le pay the heads of another church which they were taught li ws Wier, But this mined his argument, for if they weakened die piswerof the flatablished Church they oho did• that of ihe . Cases, fur they +Neese intermixed that to attempt to divide use from the other, the name of the Constitution woo Id only • remaim for which reams. he thought they had better stop where they were than make as immoral ion ou the Constitutioa. Hr bad no objection to toleration in its moil liberal view as beg as it did not touch the Established Chinch and the Crowp, who were the pillar. of the Constitution. The ergs. meat, that the property of Ireland was is the luesdastthe Protestants, mid there was ao danger from the /rap a+ bring Catholics, was easily answered, that hermit= pulatlon might overcome the property. He, as an indiv ' was sosiviseed if the Bill passed into a law there was as 1 awe OM prorate if, for if I did i must W 8 .• " Wu them no consideration, no complaceacy to be NSW to hem who preluded above all ethers is the State—pas he the only penes with the Lord Chancellor that less to be bound down to rentals Protestants to preside over Catholic sub. jerk? In his opinion it would be better 10 leave the Ceder. lie church alone, and also not to disturb the Established Church. It bad been said that the Bill was one of imams and favour to the Cittiolicr; but mew was it received by that body?--it was rejected by their Clergy ; therefore, the more be considered the measure, the more he saw the dan ger:edit to both Church cad State, and he was eosviweed that the population of. Ireland would nut be bettered by it. The Marquis of LANSDOWN said, that be could con seientiously vote for the Bill, not only on account of the re• lief that it would give the Catholics, but es a immure is support of the State, for the country had arrived to that state, that nothing bat its members being united could mei it; when he used that expression, be begged to be ender. stood that when evety Otis of men were on au equality ie the country, they would go hind in hand in preserving tP.• constitution. He agreed with the Noble Earl (Liverpovi), that it was their duty to preserve the Established Chorea iu Ireland, which would nut be pat io jeopardy, a. the Erman Catholics were ready to take the oaths to protect that clutech•--(ffeerr, hear, Aserr)—on condition they, might attend their own place of worship without bring liable to penalties. He would not as; that time passing of the Bill would pat an end to the deplorable atrocities of the lower part of the peasantry of Ireland, hut it ovoid be the leader to it. Was it then fur the Noble Earl to say that it would not be of advantage to that class of the people of Ireland ? Forsooth, would the Noble EMI send out to the world that they oat; sat to legislate on the Aristocracy of the country? He requested their Lordships to look to the Bill of Rights, and if they slid, they would Sod if the me ant Bill was carried into a law, it would eel interfere with it. His Lordship happily ridiculed the importance which had bee. gives to the Oates' plot, which be attributed to the feelings rather than the judgment of the great men of those times. Is proof of this he quoted the opinion of the en lightened King William, whom name had become a shield for the practides of the most intolerant bigotry, as it was found in an excellent paper prepared by Lord Somers and presented at the meeting or Congress of Rjawitt, in which kis Majesty declared, that with the Protestant succession daily secured, he thought it quite possible, as it might he rspedient, to relax the severities of the exclusive sys. ten, and that the Catholic., according to their good behaviour, might be admitted to many privileges and immunities from which they bad been excluded by the measures of the Reformation and Revolution.— His Lordship next controverted the fendameetal cha racter of the exclusive rode, by ref erring to the procoediox• of the House on the passing of as Act in the Irian of Queen Anse, fur enabliogCommisaiosers to exercise the Royal fasetioss.—[ibis iras the ca.e which to • more summary way Mr. Plaskett referred tie in bringing the Bill into the other House.]—He maintained then that the merit of making the.* exclusive laws fundamental must rest with those who held the opinion that they were essential to the constitution. He ridiculed the dread expressed is the debate of the reclama tion of property which bad been forfeited under the Penal Statutes. He happened to possess a coexiderable quantity of that sort of property; he was as anxious fur the preservation of it as any of their Lordships. There was nut the differenee of • day's purcheee between such property and au; eater. He did not Mask it likely that the Catholic Men mid Corsenrom era, if admitted to Parliament, would begin to reciansommil themselves by propene" measures which would certainly strip them of whatever landed property they might at present possess. •In Roemer to the arguments of danger which bad bees urged, be believed that there never was it measure of importance carried is that House is which similar predictions had not been plentifully prommeted. He quoted the opinion of Doctor Hooper, at the time of the Union with Scotland, who prophesied that the mixture of Presbyterian Senators sit% those of tbe Eng lish Establishment, would lead, like the fenneetation of strong spirits Ia a vessel, to dreadful explosion. It was remarked by others, that as the Catholic religion had a ne lora, tendency to ossiniale itself %rib tyrainiy, so Presbyte. rianisin would certainly tend to republicanism and de. onocrecy. The experience of • century had disproved both the axiom and the prophecy; for never had the breath of calumny breathed a suspicion that the Scotch No bleat's, sitting in that House, bad ever eutertaised republiCa. views hostile to the establishments of the State. At the same period, however, it was maintained in the ilcol tish Parliament that the English Bishops would forego all their temporal and spiritual esres, and mete to put down the ,Presbytmisn Religion. This as well as the other prophecy had failed; for Of'M bad there bees so little of those petty disputes to which difference of religion was able to give rise, as since the two parties had their interests consoli dated in Parliament. Though his Lordship believed that ' the Tears expreesed os the present question would prove as visionary a any that bad gone before, he was glad to hear them expressed. He was convinced that the waters which forced ilseinselves up from all kinds of sources iatu this debate would lose much of their colour, would deposit much of the sediment which caused their bitterness. He was coovieeed that as erroneous opinions ought to be rem tented, they could out be represeoled sad undergo the effects of debate without losing much of their fallacy and Chief. His Lordship recommended the provisions of the Bill as the best means fur increasing the strength and secu rity of the empire; and after many other various and i•te resting observations, concluded by giving his strung support to the motion. Lord SIDMOUTH, in • speech of some length, opposed thri'motion. Lord MELVILLE supported the motion: he eras Seemly persuaded that although matters might go on well for a time, still either ibis or some other nietsure must ultimately be earned; and there was nothing to his mind of more uni versal Importance than to introduce its Inland • system of conciliation, which would place the peasaatry of that coun try on • footing, in point of intellect aid respect fur the laws, with them of England. Lord ASHBURTON was quite at • lose to know what apprehensions could be entertained tram admitting the Ro man Catholics to the enjoyment of their civil rights. He could not discover say thing iu the tenets of the Catholic religion se dangerous to the State, no more than in the phi. losophical inquiries of Sir Joseph Banks or Sir Ilaimpltrp Davy, who were members of several foreign societies. Or,, the same priuciple might they consider • Noble Duke tape site (Wellington) • da•gereus man, because he had recei ve d the Mower* of knighthood fur his continental el& es,— (A laugh.)—Now suppose a Bill were istrodoeed and'pro de d through Parliament, ordaining that no Baron lily se agota began with an A should he capable of enjoying tr.,e favours of the Crown, would it be very usreasouable te: him, how ever moderate his ambition, to consider it a ye ' J r great bard. ship on hint With as much justice are the 'saws imputed un the Roman Catholics, for which reseals he should give the measure his support.—( hear.) Lord SOMERS said that in supporting the measure for the relief of the Roman he did loot conceive be was acting in oppositiust to the principles of his great am rector, or Ike illustrious men who lived at that period. The measures then Mimed were merely intended to be tern. porary, and consequently have been changed by circularise oes. He concluded by saying that the measure should have his must decided support. Strangers were Dieu ordered to withdraw for a divisioa. The numbers were— Contents 72 Proxies —l4O Non-Costents Proxies —lB9 Maio' it! against the second reading of the Bill.. 211 The House THREE (""' Ike adjoureed al REE eonesel against the Petitloot for a Reform in die Sewltisfr Burghs.—Refereed to the Cutnntit tee on Scottish Bargbo. Mr. ABERCROM BY presented • Petition from the Chartered Company of Meer:haste of Edinburgh, relative to the Smith,' Barth Systemr—Rtferred to the Committee. IMPROVEMENTS IN WESTMINSTBR. Mr. W. SMITH obtained leave to bring In a Bill to amend the Act of the 4011sGen. ill. reladng to improvermittalwike vicinity of Westuoisater-H all, sad the ewe Howie. of Par liament. The bill was then brought in, read a first time, maws. defied to be read a second limbo morrow . . !ICH PATER GAOL. He, H. CLIVE laid on the lafide a copy of the marmot of arrest of Charles Hill, a prisoner outlined is Ikbemer Gaol. !MALL DEBTS. ' Mr. F. CAMPBELL moved for a return of wit eaten, entered for same not est-ceiling Isl. in the ditiatire England sod Wales, for the last ICS years, statiog suds at ' were brought to trial.—Ordered. Sir H. PARNELL moved fur returns of the prodere Of the duties pad on Wier', Spirit', Tobacco s and Sug - d, laspaelead lute Ireland for the last ten yeers.-...Oplated. NW C. GRANT obtaiwed leave to bring i • 111,11 In motrod The 411th of Geo. 111. for resulatine the Pidies (Mots In trebled; also, 11w 10th Gee. 111. relating to Primus in Ireland. The Assessed Taxes Act passed through Ilse tronatattirrii• sia did also the Irish Court of Chancery Bill, nod the teals Courts of Justice Bill, nod were severally orlsooll•to be reported temorrow. POLICE OF THE METROPOI..IS. The House having resolved itself into a Cu. audio ee oat the Metropolis Police Acts— Mr. H. CLIVE messed, as • Resoletiee, t bat the Chair men be instruct&l to ask leave to bring in a Bill to alter and amend the Acts regulating the Police of robe Metropolis. One object which he had in view was, the trerauval of the Shiloh/ell Police unite to Mary.le-bone, arhe re It was marls snore need. it, owing to the increase of the Moldings and population in that neielitiourhoewl. Mr. H. G. BENNEIT mid; he should no it object to the alteration suggest d by the Right Hon Gen Orman, but he must say that a great deal more ought to beldame. The system of the high and petty constables also old be entirely amended, and great alterations should be mac k hs the licens ing system; of the necessity of which chaos. rano mars, whe read the evidence in the Report of the Poll( 3IP Committee • few years bark, conld have the smallest do ink. On a for. weer occasion he succeeded i• carrying Ihrus list that House • Bah having fur its object a reform of the t treat pernicious , fells of thepreaeut eytrm, but he was sorry I o say that there mare in other quarters tenons who were • learnt at the Mee of reform of any kind, and they effect vela* rvjettim Of his Bill in another place, he believed a it but even the lannality of a reading; so important, hot veer, was this. Sober t that he world not be induced to Ore it up s Mt Mould, in she course of the proposed 'stasis ru e submit saw tainliiiioNll to the consideration of the Hear e. Mr. M. A. TAYLOR *aril, be was gait t sit • muck better police might he established car nat a less expense;. bet he was coarieced that eves, the best system of paw that could be adopted would be rendered i adtScrent wahrek a thorough ref arm were previously effected i • all the prisobilk or the metropolis. Mr. 11. CI.IVE said, he was fully sew riLk of the pertance of the points touched on by the lion. Mernhtes;', and he should feel happy to have the benefi , : d their sada& once in any regulations which they might a :link proper Is. propose. The Resolution was then agreed to, an d reported, Mall leave glern to bring hi the Bill. BRITISH MUSEUM. Mr BANK ES presented a Petit too from tie Trusters of the British Museum, praying for a further geed to enable them to Isiah the buthliNgs ordered by Perlis cient.--Ordered , to be printed. A Person from the British Museum preset' lad Missaments of the application of the former grant, wit ban estimate of the biter* sapeuses, which was ordered to Is. e printed. REFORM PETITIONS. Sr G. ROBINSON presented a Petitiop from certain habitants of the Town of Northampton, e isie4.:orinieg of the pressure of taxation, and of improvident !expeaddrese, praying for a Iteformof the Parliamentar fitepsesees•ic„ es Ns only means through which au effector' J reined% et.lle be Wised fur. Lord EBRINGTON presented a sin filar Petition from. OW Tuwo and Neighbourhood of TaVill . j, k. Sir T. D. ACLA ND presented a Pet l i fun e i gee d h p ikseo. . Freeholders and Inhabitants of the Cc• te r ry of D eem , am • platen of the border of taxation, • 'bleb they cnisajdored as the main cause of all the (testy e ft . w hi c h pfeee li et ; threughout the kingdom, and prayir g 'for a raetreeelenent Heatless expenditure, no ireenomi ec s seg oi e ti es o f t h e Milection of the public resume, • te l for etviogeiry lute-the Male of the represeatation, with a vi ew • Botch • rational system of Refer swwineeenhtiasrydisßeeenfoton,from,:ii.dbetior u o p e i c i lai rtun e s h o i e s i t y restore the House air Common* to the confide .ace of a fr ee kiyal, sod co _ 1e the adoption of • lightened people. He was 'Awry to direr 1 • opinion From so Mlle and respectable • p' -riion of his C mstitaents as lbe Petitioners, bet feelin; as he did, it was his duty openly to . tbe prayer of ileAr Pelitk o n. l b :rob in :l l 479 9 N ( concur L ord EIIR ," 4 „, C ;r O N exr.re.ed hit co t coneerrence to spa prayer o f tee Petitier,, A. muc h ml teepeeseseitionhail:. se abroad on the air P laject of the meelii 3g at which the I'r ion ebse bad rq bstieseeu ag:"' hone Al upon, he would s t ate ,th at h o his Own was convinced that eertlog wireattend twli MI tinet less n 1,204 pe , soes, and t .%6100 of hisWetabi. That WV. not certainly In num emus a sweettog as IlimmoillasOaesty of Devsni usually w fee; Mt it ought lo• be reeseeebaripd that it was net held r ni the day ardiaardo Sid 0 / . .seusty meetings. which was Fri shy, the twerbet-day,, Irby* Ike town was generally full of yeomanry and tor lookie!r., colleeted from all parts of the pivots On their arch aic', Issisinesp. a. T. D. ACLAND explained, that on the Rides, which •MO old is the register course have been the day hoed for the 'meting alluded to, an execution we a to take phice,and Ilbeteferre the Sheriff bad thought it pr slier to ix a different day. Lard J. RUSSELL presented • Per diem signed by many respectable Freeholders of the Dessows' S of Plymeath. The right of 'siting is that Borough had fo wnerly bee* exercised by the Freeholders and Freemen, but a ►&WMe reties basins_ been made ill 11461, the Committee a 'pointed to 'examine the return reported that she right st ► ralecttea lay only in the Freirene• of she Borough. By th L decriers dieelection of Members for the Borough was th main Into the hands of the Corporation. In the reign of Chr ilea li, the number of voters was 300, at prevent it was oat y 290; at the forme period the number of inhabitants we ► may 8,000, and 1101/ it amounted to 24,000; to chat in r troportio• as the popu lation increased, the actual number a a` suffrages diminished. They prayed for an inquiry into the at ale of the Reprearo a. lints generally, with a view to a Refo we, sod deer Petro had his warmest support. The same Noble Lord then preaen ltd a Petition from lain Freeholders of the County of H antinsdon, l en t os the Queen might be moored to the Gill possession of rights, dignities, sad privileges ; a sd fur a Reform in hament. Colonel JOHNSTON presented a Petition, preying Parli►mentary Reform, from the lul •bilants of the &mown of Boston. A Member, whom name we could not learn, said, nilthoueb he was a decided friend to Reform, yet he did rent Hindi lb. present time favourable for the mg' tattoo of the quest , nod he deprecated the conduct of II woe who were coati. ally putting forth plans of Reform without any considera tion of, or reference so, their pruclit ability. Mr. LAMBTON disclaimed the imputation thrown . by t►e Hoe. Member, and assured him and the Horse gear rally that in bringing forward t he motion which he my about desire time bops f many ' intention _ . beifsegatiol and fendsmentai.and in shat, were expressly .described es being, intro for Aver,. When King Williankbecausi the throse s lretrely soon passed to Act of to the Dias/Meal -; bat in that very Ac teenage Dissenters were required to talk ageinst transobetantiation„ lie.s wished. shell' that they could not .pass this Ac -craws), as it had. been celled, (I troafb en 44, to. pat the whole of the perties nil the.esra),, ,nulesit they would elm repel -an tp Corporatists Acts, He came next lof , 41p., This dil l, and indeed Meg •miji if Abe. Ntlimpeat choose it, best -illigAtipau bat se contended the Bill of iees - .thaa the Act of Settlentent, went 1 OM Protestant principles of the Constits - wxClitiims 4 all others., Then came the - ScOdossyl, where, to be sure, the spirits the ICl:ng was denied. But there w 61 . 1 .et between a separate Peotestent establisl atitting no foreign jurSchctioa, end 4114 -of ,an establishment professing obedie 'Yelp jurisdiction, which establiehmen 'been admitted since Ilse lievelution. ~. ... sited. ikarbseoted I set the more In lea Usage to eel if there l lt refeiesd@elf Sibiniedg so in tbe eeriei 'on swr Meg was his ilia tesewietiess rendered dine no /2 1 1 . 1 6 " ies other obsesses that could come withi n . sespe of use Emu , the Legisieture would confer each universal advert. *m o b im i rages on the whole united empire. For many years tosiition, I ...- " • "•' • M. .11.101 MN WIMP.. OM ~._... shoot to propose he sett(' 400 Mb 11 liosaly, with a desii of rte Itoure, tnat tmrneclistetlly called to M. re- generally supposed they will be reedered tecapable of dons( to the Frotestaat examinee, to the throne.. What was the HOUSE OF COMMONS, TUESDAY, Aran, 17. /mulct , the rood of his country, and he did feel some I any naiscbiet." . 111 e (land Greuville) . thouitht that under suck measimt of the Bill, that every perron professurg the Catholic 0 belsg able to produce cowries WI 6in the minds of men colkctiou 'all the principles of Ins past political Circ a " b un le bt e ar d es ui it a w n ou t l i i . l 4 l.r b i u us t po lopr iii h b i l r e f r u tares c. t ij ib iehre were a rere ii 7 i on Gr tbst oesliseeliKeitile•Nti s iO Nd A t t e rv i rry d si c hs ha at u ior in . the State, ha ex- The SPEAKER took the Chair at a quarter before her the expediency and the precticabil! ,ty of We view.. Itfe. aisd from its close connexion with th e futurr. ee , _ w t o'clock. - The Member before mentioned disclaimed any isten it *PPeared A° bin' of such high. . 4141°1111"er that t re e: acted u ti ;a 1 1 "I the R Oat' whoa ye . 1 11 tine Id it a ar lt . • 1 00 r ye.irs • tier tv ION, ICO of 111 WI WOO g oil onoura e M ember for Dirt w, be could not test satis fi ed with unseating bigapejr, • k el p* the herp s en ee e e e ~,,,,t. l e t h e f ew e f th e late I iskafelf; ..aly 'R i ppe Catholic subjects AS the list oßces of Mr. LINDSAY • • r. remitted a Petitioes from the Proved. alluding to the motion lie had in c ontemplstion. Or givitig a silent tote .op a question Ita Alit op . Kilibilbe Millilleirems is sow aaaWeeverseilli f . the *a .l sal Isli 1 *bete that to borthe tine reltgiou, Magistrates, sitd Ceuecil of Dundee, preying lobe heard hy Mr. LAMBTON said, he bad I ail that persons might . • lit ,; roils t.... 1.. , I 4 i) t .. t'' .4 ...! ..: via. ...4 .1i ii*ii t ~.. .7 '1 4 - 0111111 •'s 2 1. 1 q. b tarts t 1.. 0 _. '!! •'• at • .•• -it COO 1 . 1 - 11 r— eti alma ref - that I 114 r Par- for ugh orgb lc oho 11011; limo- Jere- oat rear- Wee re to hops of Mon -cOO- It ■