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necessary to ask the Catholics for securi at all ; his opinion had always been, that ads securities were unnecessary. Bot tid ing that, for the ease of Protestant minds, ✓ securities could he demanded and given, they up other seeurities than those stipu 1.. iu the Bill Were Honourable Gentle aware of the 'Attire of those securities I y amounted to highly penal clauses; the *e -1 Bill, he repeatedit, was one of highly penal Ns. and besides that, it was aboard in its rivonce--it yielded no security at all. lie knew many Mao supported the Bill were of this He bad conversed with persons of intelli ce nut of doors, having no interest whatever in the • who admitted all this. They avid, " Yes, tis atiat: the clauses are, highly penal, and must he naive to the Roman Catholic Clergy, as well as ig wholly unavailable for.security ; hut however NI, objectionable, or futile they may be, let u pans, au.d the wisdom and liberality of the :islature in a Session or two will certainly re al thein."( Hear, hear,frons Mr: Peel and 111 r. is.p•—ift would be sorry to prevent the passing i measure which had already gone. to the ad atm' that the.Catholte nobility and gentry were ilabeto at in Parliament; bat as to the second 1, be must beg leave first of sill to observe, that the clauses attached to the clergy. Were Floss. Itle men aware of the importance of those clauses ? st there came a computeery enactment, requiring ry, Catholic clergyman to take an oath, an arse Pero arrangement to all clergymen at pre ! in orders, and a penal one to all who should in are be ordained. He wished them to give his to example to prove that he was authorised, mist miter of Parliatnent, to say to any man, " Here' at oath, which. it you do not take, however ob. • no w . l iale it may he to you, you shall be punish.• with (th. Committee would determine which) asportatiou for lifsur , perpetual inspriso ttttt ent : other words. erishwalioost the: highest penalty Mill to the lass." He :Trio asked, was there. r. law which compelled any oilier persons to take ostir of any kind. except the oath of soprentscy.., I versa then the. parties were not compelled to the oaths There were tests proposed at that - *ha astaftr•House, before the Members t!il take their feats, were not Coln • tied to take oaths.. The)/ inig%t say. that they uld not takeilitin. and rather refuse, to take !ir 'eats than take them. This antslie case with .Bis t s.lish• Catholic Peers. who were only we tted from taking their webby their to taking the patlislenuirrd.,.. There :were many-, tilitcet of colowietitioste:perev4 o , .Quakers fos Lance, wrottiel rather forfeit thzir civil ri g ht. in bike:ally with nt He know a very re-. wwwkle per.ou, r 1 1 rplestant, . rho. would foregehi y tempos, . "l l s l.kalitC . l!usher thatt:tokeram ens& us person had losts .psitulaty. of bare It. nototosellialks ns shietsgh.. occident. consumed by , fire. • Tht guamik‘efstbe erntee•were -known, and • .(Mr. C.-Hatc)rinson) •aside 11111447141011. • Ilia: half ar the bunk. There were siosibiretionoesedo the poy meat sof : ' h ow;pd . the.oelrostiiiistionry is the sw ieg,. go Alweipeoperfr for'whieli iW cw• we the bank furnioltsd Istarwfth the foratUf the mind of any man to propose such c....__.asions in leis** of such insult to the Clergy. He stated there were 4 Archbishop*, 45 Bishops, -- Parish Priests, SOO Curates, and between two and 300 regulars in tint Catholic Church of Ireland. It might be infor mation to those who knew little or nothing of Ire loud, to be told that the most ancient Christian Clergy of the two islands was that of Ireland. Their hierarchy had been unbroken from the beginning; their conduct had been most exemplary forquietness and loyalty ; and now when they were ready to open the doors of Parliament to the Catholic laity, it was upon such a body of men as those he had described that they proposed to lay these degrading conditions of the bargain. In the whole of the existing penal code against Catholics there was nothing to be found equal to those enactments. They were now, for the first time, called upon to take oaths, in de falcation of which their lightest punishment must be deportation. He objected to any compulsory arrangements. It might be necessa►y to give se curit►es to the minds of Protestant., but_not of this character. The Hon. Member fur Bramber had stated the impression on his mind that the Jesuits had eatablisliments in this country. The suppo sition of ►uch establishment' in this country was incorrect. In proof of this lie cited a quotation from an instrument of his Holineea the Pope, in which it was declared that the Order of Jesuits could not be restored in England, be cause the English Government did not think proper that it should be restored. They were wily to be allowed to reside in England for the instructiou of youth, an office fur which they were peculiarly fitted. Ile next would make sonic remarks on the subject of Bulls. He contended that since the Itelvrination the ',ewe of this country had never been affected by the receiving and issu ing of Bulls from the Pope, at the seine time he admitted that the Popes hail always strongly oh thected to admitting these Bull. to become a sub ject of treaty with airy Government. The rea m. 'night be traced in other countries perhaps to the twiny profitable office. which were in the gift of the Church in those countries.— He should slut detain the Muse further. He was ammo to ully restrictioos, at the same time l►e wooked to give security to every scrupulous Pro testatit. This , however, ►lould he done in some other rummer. Will the Hight Hon. Gentleman eppopiie (Mr. Peel), and 01.4 e who opposed the measure, say that nothing will satisfy them hut the degradation of the Catholics ? He had received ho conrinturieutimi from the Catholics of Ireland, if he hail he should have felt it his duty to submit it to th.: House, representiog, us he had the honour to & p .c.- mot Catirelle interest. Whatever opposition b ei ,vKle mese solely from himself, and not hum the Cat (Hears ‘ear.)— He had no cornett nic.i. ez z...pt from one Bishop, to whom he had ■d rested ou a tirr+t►er and of him lie would theca wont ':•usethee, mere venerable. a mottp, 4 respectable l'relatr, iu i zatat of' talents, relucatias% whit, tyintwziono, and all ine tint qualities Haslet adorn the human basin, there does not there can not exist. With respect to the statement of thil Bibteps being summoned in Ihaistarii he eat lase- • 1 ennocivis• bid information ) although Jima the vs h nit ,e should honoured ' the a.) tur onarrstoott would "leo. but lying : the thiii Cu- gun teo- Ho Jib& objeet , xtreate. 1 him 111 t Holm— , *CM— object. discussion of clauses, which now, for the first time, were submitfed to the consideration of the Howse. They were such as the heed of the Church had himself expressed his approbation of, and with all doe respect to the Right Rev. Personage to whom the Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Hutchinson) had alluded, he must +ay that the House were sufficiently informed of the sentiments of the Ca tholic body at large, to discharge a legislative function. He denied that they could in any degree be called penal clauses. That surely could not be considered a penal clause which goes to remove all the severe laws which have so long ex isted, whether justified or not, by the exigency of the times in which they were enacted. They did not seem to calculate the effect of the existing law. They seemed to be ignorant that, according to the existing laws, a Catholic by holding any communi cation with the See of Rome exposes himself to considerable danger. He, therefore, looked upon it not as a measure of security- but of indulgence. On the simple principle of these securities, which it was most important should be given, he could assure the Hon. Gent. (Mr. Hutchinson) that he was not to be deterred by any authorities that might be cited, or any clamours that may be raised. He had to lament the melancholy per version and versatility of Dr. Milner; but the best refutation that could be given to him was to quote his own opinions against himself.—( Ileur.)—There was another Gentleman (a Father Hayes), of whom the House had heard • great deal—( Loughter)— and also another Gentleman in a learned profession in Ireland (a Mr. O'Connell), whore talents never yet were employed to promote either the tranquil lity, the peace, or the prosperity of his country.— (Hear, hear. j —Now be usual say, that such oppo sition from such men, operated its hi. mind as additional inducements to support the measure. He was sure the House would never surrender their understandings, or wait until the Catholics of Ire laud had assembled, nor leave the general interest aid tranquillity of the empire at hazard. The Parliament would not, he was sure, suspend their functions until the Ecclesi.istical Parliament its Dublin had issued their decrees.—fileur, and laughter./—He conceived it WAV4 the bounden duty of the House to proceed frarles.ly. They had the materials and the information logo upon—they had the highest authority in the Catholic Church, and the expertence of Europe, to direct them in the steps they were about to take ; and if the Catholic clergy could be capable of refusing this measure of conciliatiou for their flocks, the Parliament should recd them to their duty. If there ever was a period alien this principle could he applied, e nnfurrnis /1011 etarat /ex," that period was the pri.ent.—(lhar, heur.)—The oath simply implies this. that whets all the chiu.es are removed that prohibit the intercourse with Home, they would not employ that advantage trinity evil purpose. To this we are toll the Catholic Clergy of Ireland hewer cam consent. Why then the clergy of (Maud refuse their consent to wiled all the Catholics of Christens dom agree to except themselves The arrangement was quite explicit wills respect to the appointment of the Bishops. The disapprobation of the Crown was effectual in preveuting au individual lions dia. ' - ..... . • 4 ,- :••• • • ~, '.. •e' 4 -- * *...;.:; . ...4. . .: • • . • 4 the fOrthes consideration Ur the Report on oath to be lam This he trensmitted to hie friend, source he derived it he coold lint be induced whom re gay was, tisot'he had never taken an oath in to entertain • doubt of it. He would appeal to Fleets. St eag**. loft the Chair, his life, aid bad aim objetnittuorto don se, that the Noble Lord (Castlereagh), who entered cote gra r tteletalswie *shed to state his views on he would Twilit+ tesiget his chins to the peoperty. this quest ion with a true Irish heat, and whose es Mich the Bill arrived. He By this Rill Catholic chogjoften were required to talents dud eloquence were tweet mote conspicuous • ' • 46dt nothing should tall sesearthat they would not hold any correipentlence than on the present occasion-he would ask that .... winch ' " lifter the tone of the debate, with the See of Rome , tending directly or lath- 1 Noble Levi, suppose the Clergy of the di ff erent tio& mr • tothiplitimempieeted. He saw the greet reel!' to overthrow or dieterb the Protestant Go- 1 dioerees, each Bishop at the hoed of hie Clergy, - ~L . , of .... • -, lethal* to weaken tenement goo t..neren G reat Britain , and that I declare that they cannot take the oath. in what . . as- • - Ibod.beenshewn to this roes- they would not communicate with any persons or sitnetion Would we then be pieced? We bring in i's (41H—Corl.,w - i ooxione lest any part of ► authority abroad upon any matter which might a Bill, and pass it through the House , to relieve ' ' • • - . re, or gieeoltifito imettere with their civil duty and allegiance. He the Catholics from the disabilities an der which they API ~ some here *ar ts st e p- did not my that men could not couscientioesly take labour, and we accompany it with conditions 11, and his anxieties this oath. But why-after they had opened the which they cannot conscientiously agree to. The . to of the House. duora of Parliament so triumphantly to Catholic Reverend Bishop to whom he alluded has now %"! lie - japeeosforeigu to his feelings Peers and Coasmouers-lied they stopped short and discharged his littered fuectious for the space of --' • ila, she ionw of the debate, I treated the Clergy thus unceremoniously ?. Meet thirty years in the nowt exemplary nonuser; if ,a•syr 'tug lowa' wail be likely to injure of the Members had admitted that they h i d no ape he wished to select a model of benevolence and urework Elder no man had ever fell . prehension., and that they only asked for arcing- kindness, it is to hint he would look. For the .. Alts, *hick no man had more ties because they were willing to sonriliate and re - spec , of time he mentioned he has been constantly el elogrllloCtose himself. He avowed the move the fears of zealous Protestants, who were employed in administering the consolations of re- feree hemp bo forced to oppose the opposed to the Claims. But was this the kind b e rtha to the flock intrusted to his care ; and now to 4btemect birseirkt up. .in declaring of security they ought to demand ? %Vas it we come to him and say-we break in on his pri- ltithiebiek he had'to encounter ly no- proper or just to tell the Catholic Clergy that vacy and retirement, and Mist on his taking an ilea • hot, he admitted tha me had they had wo apprehension of an improper use oath under pain of transportation. He regretted req ,iler eiterrismsled by his political being made of their influence , but that they should extremely he had no t mo r e weight and influence to as ell sigoigod in dissuading him. take an oath to be prescribed. for the sittiefuction give effect to his opinion,- ( Hear. hear.)-He 'tel. siocirkr i Ctakew his place. received ano- of bigotted minds, or they should be transported hoped, however, the Noble Lurd would devise some pas kettle% tellstsiowit . tensest remonstrances to Botany Bay, or he otherwise exiled or imprison- meam to make the measure more acceptable. He lot hit Unaided , and declaring that ed for life ?He knew that the Member for Oxford, felt More anxiety for the success of the messurethan bald ggitgolo iiirpie perhaps destroy the who supported this clause, guest be dissatisfied with ' words could describe, but no considenition, no ass Ipsologma het that his oleo conduct and each • principle ill any other measure. He strongly wish to gratify any set of men could induce him to poor ohoollo broom! be reputation by peeve- objected to the tenour and conditions of this practise deceit. Hr should be unworthy of the R eels ithinoteesesiam. With regard to himself. and the oath to be taken with respect to docb- seat he held, and of the confidence which the Ca.. 'llirabijlliellrairifileriared. that for his sup- orients from the See of Rome. By time Bill of tholics did him the honour to repose its him, if 411 1 All~kblelles ;beds here sad in Ireland, 1813, the Commissiou to be appointed Will bound he allowed these clauses to be brought up without it - . •40 .. t o e was w n aip ot s a g ui p i p po ft e r t ii in n g g t to ke in e s p ign i s ti o l :f eu s t pl o S a c re l as ho o l lfo ß r i t eh he o i p r , o s b u je c c h li a o s n h t i o s i r i cati c st e e t ri i ng ic h e, is m d s ili t 4 ry ru t t nen HinethwaatsHs:auxwioulaieto.h meetuu l should tows th of the empire. disloyalty or known disaffection to the Government. prise his seat much higlier,oncl feel inure honoured aramrshott.he woo ' be clearly understood Upon this the clergyman so opposed might have to see himself surrounded with the virtues and the to Vitt eat choler • misrepresented. He m e t and refuted the charge; but the present Bill talents of his Catholic countrymen. -(Lowd cheers.) OW t s h4 ,. • trho were chiefly interested in only coutined the expression of disapproval to -He had to entreat the potion of the House fur *Mao had not been present et t• some reasons of • civil nature." He knew that occupying so much of its Mlle.- ( /leer hear.) .1i I. he busosoed that the bigoted there might be lea* in his objections than there -Ile feared he had not made himself understood COMB likeisiod; Who were the least likely to appeared to be in the abstract. but when as distinctly as he could base wished ; above all, ilite gi o r illaied4olllollii totorono, had not been able to he was ca ll e d en to legislate he had a right he should most sincerely deplore that a single ob.. Os Use 11411,41 'spew it. He was certain to look to all possible cases in whivli coil- ime gn r oi v r :i s o li n :l e a n t h so ad st f u a d ll i e: lh l y ' o rtri peuv n edid li teti i i i i n e.- s ft h ( o oH u ee l , d aer.w c ) r o c u a l t , e , as dwie , C.atholic fellow-subject 4, s ci e ntious men might be subjected to annoyance. that irritation which, happily for the country, and kWh • Or the illalliffef in which M an y co n sc ie n tioos Dissenting Protestants would much to the honour of the House, had up to Hat / 00.44, ihrMileFtede I t i a ec tu e r i e - Lord CAST) eta , ANS 14 bass o, offi diseu ti zt o H n e bo n t ru h fie sid re t d s ea be rei lrili T in i g ie totisouubsemi was l to t i es io t t s a li w k s e re th o e f se the un t . lit tt iffelite erlei Woo ably argued the questioss, of the interests which were now in danger of being indulge him in a few observations. The Hon. elosy 4 moOt rpm" to tho• Right Hien. Member separated, which induced him to raise his voice in Gentleman who just am down, had done him but ,401.4.... .i. ..4 this subject in so support of the Catholic Clergy df Ireland. A more justice in saying that lie sus incapable of giving la. oaroootee he felt grateful foe every useful and respectable body did not exist. Though his support to any measure that could degrade the 01108041.801448ndest 'Right Hole Gentleman. the law admitted no power to be vested in them, Catholic Clergy in Ireland, or even any (hint framilk4ll4 . l.ol,4•lesimisf it deeply, of, by opposing jet such was their Ironer in preserving the public which they. as honest men and colocienlious Ca. epsetsy- riliaretilks to 4, brought up, he should peace, and directing the minds of their flocks, that tholics, could not consent to.-( Hear, hear. I- rai 110150 1 :4114 1 1.0 is •aitia‘ ng the gracious in- no one could do mare mischief to Ireland than he But he could not conceive there was any such qua. 4111114;taltirSereowlasssordwhis Mormon Catholic who s h o uld propose a n d c a rry a measure to reduce lity in the Bill now befOre the House. Its ten. rflobellevetit dud the Right Hon. the influence of the Irish Catholic Clergy to a nut- • deney was quite of the opposite cha'acter. Ili Oiefoottwos . ftehe .taking up his mind lity. 'I'M. body of men, whose utilityand trapectabi- was quite at a loss to know on what solid ground' ilitibett etOp the's"' Catholic Gentle meet lity were as great as that of any whicheould be named. the Hon. Gentleman (who he knew had no objet lOW, dasiiir bp4de him to Pierlisnuent, were to take these oaths, and for what ? Were they but the honest discharge of his ditty) could repre. avipsomp, K atie, the main con- going to grant them any favour , would they give sent the Bill in such a light . He.fitmenteil extreme. of she Bill had been them any boon fur doing it ? No, they were to be ly that the discharge or Lis duty compelled him ti 11111111111101604161eb 'might to be required. dragged from retirement, and held out to the nobility present such an odious view of it to time House- ha into extremely anxious to see that pout and gentry of time Catholic body as impeding con- for he knew how easy a thing it was to raise scru• ad into a law, be yet was obliged to deprecate cessions which 'were to be made to the laity, on con- plea that would otherwise have remained dormant moon.. proposed for accomplishing it. He dition of imposing igoomiiiy on them, the Clergy. and by this means frustrate the great object denied. as .he always had dour, that it was He could nut conceive how it could enter into the We were not now proceeding to the discussio ._ . . charging The religions functions. If the EIM. Cleo• tlenaan (Mr. Hutchinson) could suggest any Piid• mesa, he was sore there was a disposition in the House to attend to it ; and as to this Bill being finally decisive, he was sure that at env future pe riod, should it appear to the wisdom of Parliament that they had taken a wrong step, they would be alWays ready to retrace it. (Tut he did not think there was any solidity in the argument that Catlin. lice entertained any just scruples; he had the authority of the head of the Church for this asser tion ; he had the Pope at his back.—(Meth burgh ler.) —The Catholics could not reasonably expect the privileges of the other 8011, unless they were prepared in make these concessions which the prac tice of Europe had established. He therefore hoped the Honourable Gentleman (Mr. Hutchinson) would toot allow his individual opinions to ope rite_ in a manner so foreign to his inclination. He must be aware how difficult it is to effect any great measure of this kind, to allay the tumults that have so long ueliappily existed in Ireland, in such a moonier as at ouce to give gene ral w•iefactiot►. When a kindred measure towards the Presbyterians had been carried, at lint it gave general dissatisfaction, but he never since heard a Presbyterian speak or it except io terms of grati tude ; end he had trot the slightest doubt that when the difficulties that appeared in some timid minds were removed, there was enough of good sense and sound principle amongst the Catholic clergy to convert the measure to the advantages it is intended to bestow.—(Hear, hear.) Dr. PICILLIsIORE said a few words in support of the measure. He said that, much as lie regarded the ►uccess of the measure, he never could consent to its being carried into estecittiou if the securities were withdrawn. This he should lenient most sin cerely, for nothing could tend more than thi, mea sure to revigorate nut resources', and consolidate the two empires. He sincerely trusted that a wee- ' sure so happily begun would terminate to * general satisfaction. Mr. Pau. rose immediately behind Lord Castle reagh, and commenced by observing, that he hoped when his Noble Friend state•l that he had the Pope at lois beck, he made no allusions to his friends in the rear.—/ Mach laughter.)—There was °tie ob lion that fell from the Hon. Member for Cork (Mr. Hutchinson) to which he wished particularly to allude. He seemed to speak as if these securities were introduced merely for his satis faction, and those who opposed the measure. This, however, was not the ease. Whatever satisfaction the measure gives, let the Gentlemen who introduc ed it enjoy the beue6t of ; but if these clauses, of which he should say nothing, should produce any unpopularity in Ireland, let them net transfer it to his side of the House. Their opposition was manly, fair, and open, and he could only say, that he should not now avid himself of any misunder standing that "eight arise amongst the friends of the tueasure.—( Cheers ) ‘ 1 11111 46: \ a real union between Great Britain and Ireland. ( Hear, hear.) Mr. Huvattostitt explained that he by no means meant to complain of the first Bill, on the contrary, he thought that it did full justice to the distinguished and respectable persons who were to derive the just advantages it conferred but what be did complain of was, coupling that Bill with the other relating to the Clergy; which, by the oaths it required, went to cast suspicions upon. and harass with unnecessary and unbecoming re strictions, so respectable and loyal a body as the Roman Catholic Clergy of Ireland. Mr. CANNING then rose. After the obe region of the Hoes. Gentleman that just sat down, he should not detain the House numy minutes.; bat lie thought it would be quite unbecoming in any man who had taken • part in the former proceed ings, not to come forward and ezpress his concur. rence in these Bills, end take his full share of the unpopularity, if any did attach to it.—(Hear.) But both the Hon. Gentlemen seemed to have taken quite a false view of the cue. Good God I are we to be told, after so large • sacrifice of Pro testant prejudice, when the measure comes to be occonsplished, that the Catholics are not satisfied, I mid when we wish to incorporate the Catholic and Protestant into one people, there should be a schism amongst the Catholics. It was a little too much that on the side of the Protestants all the sacrifice should be made, and on the side of the Catholics none at alt. Is the Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Hutchio goo) aware of the state of the laws relating to the iu tercourse with the See of Rome ? or can he re commend the Catholic still to remain under that abominable state of the law, secure, because they are too bad fin execution?—(Neer, hear.)—A nd when the Parliament has consented to remove these anomalies in the laws, and admit the Ca tholic laity to a participation in the blessings of the Constitution, are the clergy so obsti nate as to keep the Catholics in a state worse than any other country in Europe ? If they should liersevere, it mast be at no less a sacrifice than the loss of the Bill ; and after the Bill has gone so far, and the concessions granted, the man must forget every claim to candour who would step for war and say they were now unwilling to pay the price of these concessions. He hoped he would not be supposed capable of countenancing such a trick. If these clauses are detached, at least in substance front the Bill, from that moment be would with as much sincerity as he had made other important sacrifices for the Catholics, oppose the • Bill, fur he should consider it a fraud on the country topass it in that mutilated state.—(Cheers./ Sir - G. HILL said, if lie were disposed to deal unfairly, be might take an advantage of the dif ference of opinion that seemed to prevail with re spect to these securities. The Right Hon. Baronet then read some extracts from a distinguished States man in the other House, which more than over balanced any arguments he lied heard on the ques tion. He could assure the Howse that should the Bill be carried, would be lxious , no men . more 111110, Mr. M. FITZGERALD felt some satisfaction in then he would to reconcile all parties.—t Hear./ concurring in the general principles of the Noble Mr. R. MARTIN then rose. He conceived that Lord, but he could not concur in some of the _the House should not allow themselves to be di statements of his Hon. Friend (Mr. Ffutchinsoe). ,vetted from their course by soy hypercritical oppo- Fle did not think this was a question as to whether sition that might be given to the measure stow Fir ths Duke of Norfolk should sit In one House. Or fore them. He was aware that the admission of the his sun in the other. It is • question that deter- Roman Catholics to Parliament might in some mines whether the privileges of the Constitution counties in Ireland interfere with the election of shall be conferred on the great body of the nation. Protestant Members, and in none perhaps more But he thought that in estimating the important probable than in the county he had the honour to advantages to be derived from it, we should take represent (Galway). However, should he be op. care not to exasperate the feelings of the Catholic,. posed, he had a most successful weapon to can- There were three things to he considered in this bat with. He should produce oe the hustings Bill—the oath which is to he taken, the regulstioni.f the charter of Catholic freedom, which, witli the intercourse with the See of Rome, and the spa his humble Voice, he had assisted to obtaiii: pointment of the Bishops. With respect to the For these reasons he should certainly vote for going oath, he was ready to admit that it was competent into the Committee. for Parliament to take assurance that nothing Mr. HUTCHINSON explained. should occur inconsistent with their allegiance to Mr. SHAW said he represented one of the most their Sovereigo, or the internal tranquillity of the Catholic counties. His constituents had long begii . country ; but we are doing nothing f o r the Clergy, in possession of the Bill, but he heard nothing we are conferring no privileges or benefits on them. front them against it. He. therefore, thought these securities misapplied ; Mr. CANNiNG explained. they were applied to a body who had no interest, Mr. Beaton thought it would be a great adva-l and derived no advantage from the Bill they were Cage not to impose the oaths on such Catholic plowing. If, indeed, the motion proposed by an Prints as sere now in orders, but to attach it to Hoe. Member (Mr. Croker) hail been carried into those who should hereafter be ordained. Some of effect, then perhaps might be considered a proper the wesent priesthood might have scruples and time for regulating the intercourse; but, in fact, prejudices which would make them unwilling to the Clergy are not even named in the Bill, and take it, but if it were i mpose d on l y on tho.e who he therefore thought the security quite missp- might hereafter take holy orders, they would know plied. The Catholic Clergy are the very per- whet was expected from them, and be prepared to sons of all others about whom they might feel conform or avoid entering on the office. the least alarm ; for, although they are the per- Mr. Rica said the Honourable Member for Dublin had not received the instructions of his SODS whose rights and whose functions have been most unjustly invaded, yet be might select them constituents that they disapproved the Bill, hut fie as examples of the most meritorious conduct. had received the approbation of his Catholic con- In the state in which Ireland is placed, in come- . etituents. The Hon. Member read a letter which quence of the absence of the nobility and gentry, I stated the writer's satisfaction at the promised met the entire tranquillity and morals of the nation are sure, bat acknowledged there were turbulent spirits dependant on their unbought zeal and unremitting in the Catholic body who would complain of it. rxerticis.—(Hear.)—Why then would you visit but if the measure once passed into slaw, the writer them with these unnecessary restrictions ? With was satisfied all those restless briar would be respect to the other parts of the Bill, he would say found trifling iii the scale of the United Kingdom. that it was not his intention to create any Such was the opinion of a most rigid Catholic, of alarm, and he hoped if the House should go one to whom, if it were possible to use the word hum ii Committee on the clauses some modifi- bigot, divested of any bad sense. he would apply it cation might be made. In appointing the Com- i to him. He did not approve the second Bill, be. mission, some limitation might take place, and cruse he thought there was no danger from, tisk some alteration in the mode of selecting them.— Catholics. There was one main principle to which he always Mr. P. Mocnte said, that had it nit been for tho. adhered, that any interference of the Crown with extensive correspondence into which lie had eiiteredi the Clergy was an unwise and an inexpedient men- I on the subject, he believed the Bill would not have. wy o rb m oui m ead i c t e t ail ee tilli: sure. Tin* opinion was wholly exempt from ally been brought before the House this year. ' Flees' . measure ii r .e.xat therefore ; s ) ru t . y r eB t A o wt clo,euw thel House 1 L C obLue r feeling of the Catholics; they were founded on tooloutuedly were ardent spirits who would not km he hoped m t ear l e m ic: l e i :i cs veuhledd g we e gsa n os e ai r nboo a ftu l o l l y liay , , bc a l nil general principles by which he had been always satisfiedz but he considered the measure was Lois actuated. He thought that airy such interference would diminish that influence which the Ckrgy of Ireland had over their flocks, nut only for the lice of Ireland, inasmuch as it would promote the purposes of religion, but for t he support of the Government. He would recommend these Gen- Omni. who are so fond of •iitoorliiit.; to the int- tranquillity of that eountry., thorny of Mr. Burke on every great coustitutionol I The Speaker then quitted the Chair, and the question. to refer to his wartengs en this subject. H ouse resolved itself into a Committee on the Bill: l'hey would there fluid selonneuts applicable to all The Chairman having read the preamble, the times. Ile felt that he was not surrounded by marl game was agreed to. in the House of his opinions, and it would perhaps Lord CASTIARRAGH thee moved, th a t the first be considered unbecoming in luau to p ersever e m blank in th e fi rst c l ause s h ou ld b e filled up with rafercing his opinion.. He wished' tou ardeirtly for t h e wor d s .4 .i, m00d0. ..., which was agrieed to. , Ilserowecesi of the measure to throw iiity thine in Mr. GOI.II.IIURN moved, dim the seer) ad blank t. the may of its accompliel l' It . w!li. tullooloiblo should be filled up with the words " one month." for woe& to convey the happy eeemeetuenere likely Sir Jowl Newry/at objected, that would be too Se result from it. He felt persuaded it would be g len a period. the tarsus of effecting what every smilfiefust desit'6, Mr. Gov &seek mid it was not one month (mitt pri • oo ted to DO to the Cr- -.WM