The Statesman. — London, England, 1822-06-15 00:00:00

in Ireland, it appeared to him, that wbileit gave 01640 . freeholder no real advantages it gave rise to almost all , the evils with whirs he %RS surrounded. Such a planes he had described had bees introduced into the other house last night by a Right Hon. Friend of his, and he felt' it oeceuary to state that this was not the oily plats which was in contemplation by the Irish Clovernsawete-; There was also a measure in progress for establieblM e st efficient police, to which be was aware that many tient had been m .de. He was, however, convinced of its uecessity, and looked forward with confidence to its practical results. He should not enter into further die. cassia's upon its merits, as it would in due fiascoes* Yes gularly before their Lordships consideration. iffiebli ged to thank the Noble Marquees for the etaetter te which he bad brought forward the subject. and be could not stiffer this question to go to a divisien, without say ing a few words upon the conduct the Noble Lord at the head of the Irish Oovernment. Since he had so *dean tageonslv filled that high office, a part of his time lead nabenpily been interrupted by indisposition; but still he had applied the whole force of his great wand to the taw/Moos whioh this motion involved. He was, per taps, the last man in the world who would pat his hind to a hasty or precipitate measure; but when he had duly weighed the evils which demanded a remedy, and the cons, quencesof applying an efficient one—when he had metered his opinion, and satisfied his mind that it was well founded and jnst, no man would be readier to carry it into effect with firmness and decision. That Noble Personage was well known to have great rapacity ; but besides that capacity, he had the strongest attachment for his country. It was there that be distinguished him . ;elf. He bad - retutned to it now for the first time sincr that period, and his acknowledged desire was, that the last act of his political life might be one which should ley the foundation of its future happiness. Without meaning the slightest disrespect to the Noble Marquess, and solely fur the reasons he had assigned, he should beg leave to move the previous question.--(llcar.) The Earl trf - LI ..lERICK expressed Isis surprise that the Noble Earl should have opposed the resolu tion as being unnecessary, because he considered the statement of the Noble Marquess to place its necessity beyond doubt. If the attention of Parliament were not directed to ihe subject, be thought the cense qnenees would be most lamentable. He believed a rustimntation of ...thee to be practicable by the plan proposed by the Noble Marquess. He should oppose the plan for turliog the property of the land respon sible to the ('hnreli. The LORI) CHANCELLOR said that those who were the objects of the administration of justice in Ireland found no reason to complain of it, as was evident by the comparatively few appeals made to that House. lie had lately been examining into the number of appeals which remain-A to be disposed of. and had calculsted the days they would 4:recopy, should their Lordships he pleased to o (wre that the Lunl ('haucellor sat constantly to Bear them. For throe of England, Ireland, and Wales it wont,' require fifty days. Eut those of his frieuds the Scotch would require 490 days.—(A laugh.)—With re- E. to the Magistcley in Ireland, lie seas convinced ir t that t g alo o rn a e n : l l o r z e e s t i t d o e f t 11 1 g r i e N 7o h r l e tb l r .m e o e rd ni s o h n e ti ll i a s ‘l i . n ali th ) e ut v h ea im r !. . . f thee should hear no further complaints. He bail never before heard the ti hes described as taxes and imposts ellen the people. Another Noble Lord had also talked of interference with the property of the church. Ile would tell that Noble Lord that he had no more right to interfere with that property, than be (the Lord Chan cellor) bad to interfere with the Noble Lord's nine tenths. Elie Marquess of DOWNSHIRE confessed that he had been disheartened at hearing the Noble Earl oppose tine resolution. lie thought, however, it would abew to the people of Ireland that their Lordships' hoose, as well as the Irish Ouvernineett, were considering of remedies to correct the evils of the system of vrlticia they com plained. If the police plan were adopted, he knew that some Magistrates of high honour, and who insforuied great services to the part of the coitnty in which they re silica, would retire in disgust. Vie entirely and heartily cone, rool in the motion of emits Noble Magpies% and Iwgegol as a landed propriroor to return him his thanks for the manner and tlisefiuie in which he had bronett it forward. • The Earl of DOtIOUGHSIORE eulogised the charac ter of the Mateess Wellesley, and cap d his cowrie tior that the eneasnre in progress in the other house, to which lie Vail a decided objection, did not originate with tboi Illustrious Individual. He did not think time hselv et been givenliitu, and whenever his measures were oretiired, they would be measures of a great mind, and adequate to the great object which called them forth. Lord ELLEN BOROCOti said, that if the state ment of the Noble Marquess was unanswerable, as it Lad been described, and as he considered it to be in some points, it was the strongest censure on the present and past Governments of Ire'and that could be devised. The Noble Earl at the heed of his klikle , ity's Treasury had mild that the Meteor Ireland depended upon the state of society in that country ; but he (Lard Eileuborough) traced the state of society to the Statute Meth. Ito begged their Lordships' to consider how different would have been the roimdition of Ireland at this moment if such a resolution as that now proposed had been agreed to at the Union. Ile was of opinion that the tranquillity of Ireland would never be restored under the present eystem of government. ft Ives Impossible that justice could be done to the population, or what was equlvaleut to that. it was impossib.e thet they roe' d believe they should receive justice while the existing . laws remained In force upon the subjett of rellirion. The Noble and Learned Lord upon the woolsack had said that - the small number of appeals proved that there was no ob jection to the administration of justice In Ireland. But it was not between the rich aed the rich that justice was said to tor withheld. It was between the rich man and the poor man. and of such cases the appeals could give them no at eeon•. With regard to the ques lon of tithes, he should un doebtedly agree to some such proposition as the Noble Earl had suggested. But the plan would be of no use unless I( were made compulsory upon prepri‘ tors. The Earl of BLESsI NI:TON considered tithe pro perty as li•mble to the interference of the Ho ‘rinment.. The LORD CIIANCSLLOR and time Earl of explained. Lord DARNLEY declared that whatever might he the result of time present question, the Uovernment in England and Ireland would be obliged to take up the question. If the Irish were no better than slaves, that melancholy fact resulted from misgovernment. Hat he denied that there was such inherent sir . The excellency of the country—the successes that hod fre quently milked the proven of her sons, all contra dicted the ion of the inherent badoess of the country. His Lordship then condemned the Irish Constables ; it would rilson-t those who were now acting as Magistrates; and hr declared that this was not the last iline thAt this subject +v eld be brought :; r .. ~..` s I R ! 'qg • ; t. 6 before their Loapships. Lord HOLLAND observed, that the Noble Earl, in bit most extraordinary speech, had taken an ample re view of the state of society at different periods, and in various parts of the world ; and he had ended those siognlar details with proposing to defer the eonsidera tion of the present question. Theanhject, it liras eon si•!ered, was a very prover one (or the most serious co'isideraiin ; hut then thle.we's ;Mt Om•proper time. Indeed they were plain'y Old tllat they knew the Jlinia sera' anxiety to promote the stir/Wage el lei taG ti t 41111 . . -4 they therefore , —What His Majesty b a Message MPG arm the Astborities with airditioual, ceerrive pewee. To thou measures their Lordship's reluctant consent was 'obtained. StilViiiiiveve'r, the evils - net only ems tinned, but increased. They required the Ministeri to institute inquiries, to ascertain whether Wawa reotetliet could not be supplied. But they were met with the re quest not to press the Government now; the Government were contemplating what could be dose —Contempla ting !—Yes, they had been contemplating throughout the last twenty-two years. Perhaps, in time, they 'night come to an end of their contemplations; hot whole they were contemplating, their Lordships must recollect that the people of Ireland were snfering. The Noble Earl had heretofore held out hopes that the Government would do something. His Lordship intimated mamma when a Noble Duke (Devonshire) presented some petitions; hut he (Lord 11.) told that Noble Duke that he knew the Noble Earl too well to calculate on any thing being done. He said, at the time, that he hail his doubts , ; and he had his doubts too. Bet he felt justified in having doubts, because he had viewed the career of the Noble Earl. He had heard the Earl declare, that he would instal no conceesinn which placed the power of the sword in the hands of the Roman Catholics; and he had seen him agree to a bill for admitting those persons into the Navy. He bail remarked his varyingoponion on the subject of the currency. He had commenced the Session with declaring that the taxes could not be re duced, and the government afterwards consented to the redurtien of several millions ; and all these things bail been dune in an awful manner that he would not attempt to describe. He (Lord 11.) therefore now told their Lordships, that they bad better niqt trust to the No . le Earl. He knew, from long expinience, that whenever the fatal and accursed subject of Ire lend was mentioned, that the Miniature were stated to he considering or contemplating some points important to the interests of Ireland ; and he also knew, from like long experience, that whatever was promised, nothing was done. With such impressions on his mind. hit nailed on their Lordships to support the motion. As to the proposed Bill, on the subject of tithes, as it was not to tweof compulsory operation, it was not worth one half pe iny. Ile Ilowevir, was persuaded. that the only way in which the Church in Ireland could be supported, was by introducing snelo just laws as should prevent two• thirds of the population from feeling interested in the .ohversion of such Clourch.—(llear hear !) He consi dered that they were bound to pledge themselves to insti tute inquiry. Strangers were ordered to witdraw. A division then took place. The numbers were, Contents 33 Proxies 43 00 Non-Contents 88 Proxies 41 108 Majority against the motion 48 Adjourned at half-past Eleven o'clock. HOUSE OF OF COMMONS.—Faivar. Jews 14. MISCELLANSOIIII. Mr. WARRE presented a petition from Taunton, againt the Licensing Bill—Referred to the Committee on the said Bill. Mr. DENISON presented a petition from two indivi duals who exercised the trade of Tanners, in the County of Surrey, representing that they had discovered an ad vantageous mode of dressing hides, and praying for encostragensent.—Ordered to lie on the table. Mr. DALY gave notice, that on Wednesday next he should bring forward a motion respecting the present Tithe System of Ireland. Mr. M. A. TAYLOR presented a petition from the Go vernor and Company of the Chelsea Water Works, pray ing for compensation in consequence of the injury, which they alleged, would be done to their property ter the London Bridge Water Works Compaisy..- 1 , Ordered to be referred to the Committee on the said Bill. Doyle's Divorce Bill was ordered to be committed: and st was ordered that all notices in the progress of the Bill necessary to he don Lady Doyle, should be served on her Lads ship's Agent. Mr. COKE presented a petition from certain Land. owners of Norfolk, coMplaioingof Agricultural Distress, and praying for Parliamentary Reform.—Ordered to lie on she table. Sir It. WILSON presented a petition from a Mr. Lewis, confined in °Ahern Jail under sentence of the Court of King's Bench, for a libel, and for a penalty of GAL indicted upon him for selling roasted grate, which was stated to be a fraudulent imitation of coffee. This the petitioner denied; and he referred to the opinion of the late Chief Baron 31•Dunald, to prove that thnitelling of this grain was no fraud upon the revenue. The Petition, after a few words from the CHANCItIe Loa of the EXCHEQUER, was ordered to lie on the table. Gen. GASCOYNE &shed to ask the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether he iatendad to persevere io hie listen. lion of retaining the remnant of the Salt Tax. 31r. H. SUMNER wished also to know whether the Leather Tax would certainly be repealed. It was of con. sequence to those concerned in the trade to be distinctly informed on the subject. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, the with respect to the Salt Tax be introdtd to props many resolutions, in alteration of those alread agreed to by the house. The lutornal Tax, had already been said, would be reduced to L. The otlje duties he proposed should be continued until 145, , the public and the house might are the effect of the pre, sent alteration. Witt' respect to the export salt, be pro posed to extend the duty free allowance to Ireland. li! proposed also that Ireland should be allowed to manu facture nit, without payment of any duty. The last oh ;motions would apply to S.mtland, to tittle's it was also proposed to extend those allowances. Should his plan meet the approbation of the house, he intended to perse. egre in his promise to take off the Leather Tax. But, he des . satisfiestethat the remission of taxation could not be citried any feither. Mr: said, the explanation of the Right thrs. attdl. did not satisfy him: be therefore trusted that the Right Goa. (lent. would consent to the discussion of the measure on Monday. After a few words from Colonel Davies, the ChanceV lrr of the Exchequer, sad Mr. D. Gilbert, the conversa tion dropped. KENTISH PETITION. Mr. HON YWOOD lose to present a Petition, agreed t. at the late meeting of the County of Kent. It bad been agreed to at one of the most numerous and respect able meetings ewer held in the county. The subjects it witched won were the digeea?, of Agticulture, Parli•- abcotary Reform, and it sic, called for a reduction of the National Debt. lie recretted the introduction of the last passage; but be had no doubt it would have been rendered uunrcessary, had Moister' adopted an .-conontioal practise of expenditure. The rest of the Pe titiou had his entire support. Toe Petition MnS Then rend, and on the question, that it should lie un tbe table. Sir EDWARD KNATCHBULL sakl, he agreed in tl e numbers and respeetability of dm Meeting. His =U• , . 1 riend 11:441 atinaitt(d that the most objectionable p r of the Peti.imynet With hi* eveohetion; and he Awl ewe ibought Ii proper to, state, O m circumstances 'brought Which it ba.l 'found its way into the Petition.— Ine H fin s tad beenAilled the itistanee of the ' Distress was not so snuck the sob- Partiatneutary Returns. Me differei in their opinioulso this subject ; but AWN; a fair difference of opinials.— , Petition had been agreed to, a person, 4lrbpot he suliOnsell be sattit gall a gentleman, fur be said be was a freeholder of the county, proposed that pert of lhe Petition about the National Debi, and sugeessted it 4S a Rider to the Petition. A pans, ensaed, we its be ing proposed, and at length the Alotion was seconded. It was opposed by a Noble Earl, who so doubt consi dered the character and conduct of Cobhett, the pro poser, as worthy of the reprobation of every honest nom. Had Isis llou. Friend joined at the Meeting in the disapprobation. be had no doubt this disgraceful mo tion would not have been adopted. He (Sir Edward) had 'eked what was proposed by the Polities; whether it was a change of turn or a change of measures •?. hat no'brie ga ve him a satisfactory answer, receipt Uubhelt. who 'so ,Ily said, that its object was the reduction of the National Debt. He lung be peraiitted to say, that the riga Whig I , ailers would have dune better to give ap t &IN Petition altogether, tban adopt it whit such a pre-; I posaL .He e laded by protesting in the name of the I coning against toe id-4 that that suggestion contained the sentiments of the great body of the Freehlders. - Mr. HONYWOOD admitted that the Meeting on &kited with the Whig leaders ; bat it was attended lir ibe most rrspert.sble individuals of the county, On were of no party. Hr repeated that he disapproved of that part of the Petition which related to the Na tional Debt. Lord JOHN nussum, .ished the lion. Baronet bad taken the sense of the meeting. on this part of the ques tion; especially as lie thought it was against the °pi -111111 of the great holly of the Freeholders. Ile should l WNW take she first opportunity of renewing his pro es the subject of Parliamentary Reform ; though , was not decided as to the thee when he sheuld Je so, or the shape in which he should put it.— Upon the objectioushle part of the Petition. he I begged to say, that lie knew of no melt thing as a just reflection of toe National Debt —(Cheers.) --it was a subject el together unconnected with Pethid ine's:my Reform. 'fbe country was hound in honour to discharge the debts co otr aeted liy the Parliament.N odd ng bat the most overwhelming and admitted necessity could ,ioduce him to consent to a reduction by law of the Na dotal Debt; and he was satisfied there was no such nee comity for it at present. Sir E. KNATLIIIIII•Lis explained. 1 The Marquess of LON DON DERRY said, lie was not in the House when the Petition was presented ; and lie hoped its reception lied not Leen opposed ; for however strongly he reprobated the paragraph in question, he thought that did not afford • reason for rejecting the ;Petition. He only trusted that it would warn other tiontitirs against being betrayed into such disgraceful undue' as that which marked the proceedings at the Kentish Meeting. He had beard with sattsfaction, though not with surprise, the sentiments of the Noble Lord opposite on the proposition of the Petitloners re specting the National Debt. He never supposed that the Noble Lord would support so flagititious and degrading a proposal ; but the'Noble Lord would forgive him for remarking that he was sorry to bear the terms, "Con sent," and " overwhelming necessity" mentioned toge ther as applicable to such a suggestion. He thonglit these terms when connected might be thought to count,- niece an Wes of the necessity of the measure of spolia tion . proposed by the Petitioners. He coneeietel that the r ights of the public creditor were es inviolable as those of the family of the Noble Lord himself to their large possessions. —(Hear. hear.)—The public creditor had at good a right to his debt, as the Duke of Bedford to his manors:,—(Cheers)—sod the necessity alluded to by the Noble Lord, which would call for the re daction of one, must destroy the safety of the other.— It must be a necessity which would make the measure in question one of pure violence. With regard to that paelkof the Petition which called for I arliamentary Re. there could of coarse be no otetion to it; bche the paragraph in this Pellicle, tespecting.lbs Deb', would prove a warning to Parliamentsv? Creasers, when they thought proper to attend meet-1 of this description. Whatever vices might he at-1 Wonted to the Parliamentary Representation , lie trusted that house would be able to exercise a calm and dis passionate judgment of the subjects brought under its consideration, and to distinguish between the fair and legitimate complaints of the people. and the menacing proposals of disbonourahle men. Lord JOHN RUSSELL said that the necessity to which be alluded was that which would attend oar being . invaded by a foreign enemy, and finding it unable he raise the means of opposing him without a tempo rary suspension of the payments made to the national creditor. The Marquess of LONDONDERRY said he thought there was no good, and there might be danger in anti cipating a necessity, and then raising an argument upon ;H. He was really sorry the Gentlemen of Kent had not rdecuen themselves from the stain which was affixed to them by this Petition. Lord JOHN RUSSELL said he was willing to re tract the word " Consent," if the Noble Marquess wished it. Ile really had no idea that the Noble Alai , guess was such • critic in language.—(A laugh.)—He believe/ the proposal contained in the Petition had been hastily adopted by the Meeting, whose feelings were carried away by the sufferings they experienced in consequence of the measures of the Noble Marquess. Mr. CALCRA FT said be was perfectly satisfied that had the two Hon. Members for Kent expressed at the Meeting the indignation they had expressed in that House at the proposal in question, there would not have bees foundso persons to support it. It was adopted, he 454 no doubt, in perfect ignorance of its effect, and prod ' legibly many who voted for it had not even heard it read. ;-ile was sure that had the consequence of the adoption a .this proposal been pointed out and explained to the Pe titioners, the Gentleman who proposed it. who bad ne ver before attended • County Meeting of Kent, and who ' was not before known as a Freeholder of the County, would have been desired to take his horse and take him self away. This proposal destroyed the value of the rest of the Petition; tontigh lie deideil that it eonvet 4 she sentiments of the Freeholders of Kent, or indt.o of the persons who attended that Meeting. Hail lie It 'sews that such • proposition wonl.l have been submitted. be should have attended the Meeting. In fact he at the time in question was attending Lis fluty in that House. end :ng to art a rs ;mai of the Salt Tax ; though he now had moon to believe that he had better to bays been at Maidstone. He thought it was the bound's" duty of the Gentlemen who attended- the Meeting, is explain and resist the proposal • and that it was no ea case for them that it came upon ;lime suddenly. Sir E. KN.tTCHBULL explained. Mr. JOHN swill expressed his conviction that the respectable Gentlemen of the County of Kent would never advisedly support such a proposition as that now offered for the consideration of the House. Indeed, it was to bins a matter of a mortification to Inol that the Kentish freeholders were the first to petition fur a violation of the public faith. Mr. BROL'ti HAM said, the object of the Noble Mar- quess. as well as that of the Hon. Baronet, appeared to throw blame on the Whig Leaders. Sir E. SNATCH BULL said woes the table, that he had merely expressed his regret at the line of coaduct they bad token. . o “ asisi, w ul I take it as *wed - BRO`L 7 Mr. itA t ' by the Hon. likkeeloie The Hon. Baronet regretted then. Blame was generally conveyed in the most tatting tailu TRE 87 ATZ I SMAN wrote /40a to coeftdence le gem. peet4944 l osolea 'u s. II apposed eves dories the presest Session? taill•OstacwWion es 1 had stereely left the shims of Ireland; when MD the Netting in lame down dairies the rarliament to adopt *is wag on IF wiwil esepeod the Constitution itflrelsod, end to nelreMs c'rer a Pe _ _ ..... .. _ . _ ____-.. wheat he supposed I . no, `hat el set by the ex t iyessions of regret at a Si an's conduct hem,* while it prorested to leave the i ad v of his nee dyes unqnestiooefl, it sTaim - le armies the sonthinem ° q ed f pn i t ' o n k co a u i n te: e n a t r y n n it g ee t d a i c t il i k: r w th ' r rh i o n u e ge g N h n ' t: b h r l e a e l ; s si l i r a l o es f r q i n o f es f t :t e l a i l i:s . : n tnee t a i p ro pra t , i n e i r ei ' Li he c innty of Kent were Cu have DO mane. be knew so y 4 6ar sa ber sle i e riie;ie against o w h ich ce. co u ti l tht d he e lay wnir ba st itheiige impossible,L sl ig hte s t e:adieer4 nde c laimea however, hp::d t u a,i p s ob r ut o iat b m i ni t t finh o sb ee : the meeting. oonlil both be sustained. If the inefeina item to blame, Leader. were to blame. the Meeting must escape.— ILA attacks could sot exist together with env app ear . ance of reason. lbs. Whig ',Owlets, however, wer e clearly exculpated ; fir a tt big Nobleman opposed the objectionable proposal, and be and his frimid s Tare .; against it. Blame, for factions purposes, bad heed thrown.upos them; hilt tiny had given their decid e d opposition to the proposal, and more could not be ex petted of them. He (Mr. itrolighem). had their .nth.. L,gity for saying. that in their belief the opinion of t h e 'meetin was so decidedly in favour of the propos a l th a t a ff g outo.sition to it wool I be ineffectual. H certainly believed, that hail the meaeisg.and theses,. quinces of this proposal been fully explained to theslll they would nut lave adopted it ; but he .hid not think the'afloptiou of it t",k away frd.o the vale of the rest of the petition. The distress., of the !wiows, and of which they complained, could not be denied. fir it trae notorious; and he bogged to deny that, in e onseqtaam of the adoption of this proposal by.the Kentish meet. ing, men of weight sad character °tight to withhold their attendance sad support from coutee meetings.— Ile trusted the comities of England vomit continue to meet, to describe their 'offerings, and to protest aeairist the system of misgovernuseut "bleb had neeesioned! them And will regard to the presereatiow of national raith, he Couch: tbatihe more the immtimi was dis cueseil and sifted 'o the bottoin, the more 'was laic , credit likely to be snetaised.—(llea, liear.)— per fectly agreed that nothing but that state of thin altogether precluded comment should indoor. pettiest*. to listen fora momeot to. the crude arneletpdierstear pro= posal which bail found its way into tioliphilermh. Mr. CA Lelt.% FT explained. i Sir E. KNATCiI.aiI....I. said he exerted himself to point out the tendetcy pf the proposition in question; hut the meeting world not lists is to Isita.—(,t fang's.) . Mr. IiONYWO(M) explained, hut we etsulit not oi-- tinntly hear the explteatiou. We 'ender:steed Mtn to say that a Noble Prienil of his wield idol have ex: plained the consequence of the proposal had it not been that he was fatigued by being squerz.el up lit a waggon at the nfeetin,e..—(A laugh.) The 'Marquess of LONDONDFARY said, be believed the Whig Leaders would be little thankful for the de fence which had been made fur them by the Hon. and Learned Gentleman. But he (the Marqnees) tray in the judgment of the House, whether lie had said any thin; to discoarage the bolding of County Meetingo. Mr. BROCIIIIAM said, that however objectionable or unjust the proposal of the Petitioners might be. it was nut more so than the policr of the Noble Ma gness respecting the Restriction of 'Cash Payments, ant the subsequent Resumption of them.—(there there was a general cry of " S i xths., spoke ;" and the lion. atd Learned Gentleman sat down.) Lord CLIFTON said, he admitted there had been t want of spirit among the Whig Leaders on die occaaioe in qaestion.—(Cheers.) lie would, bauble an aulivi• dual as he was, have addressed the alerting an the s at., Joe' of the proposal in questioe, had hr not !vein in, duced to forbear doing so by the opinion or a Noble Relative of his. But notwithstanding the obnoxious ryder to this Petition, be trusted the Mouse would not consider the whole of this Petition as without valise. — How Mr. Cobbett bad got possession of the Meeting it really was impossible to imagine. He (Lard C.) fo r . one condemned the proposal es one of a revolutionary character. Mr. Secretary PEEL said, the manly and haeoming acknowledgement at the Noble Lord was a better de fence for the Whig Leaders than that which had bees made for them be the Hon. and Learned Gentleman.— (Cheers.) Why Mr. Cobbett bad got possession of the Meeting was evident enough, he had boldly and MlTl filly stated his proposal The charge againit the Meet ing was not that titter had petitioned for Parliamentary Reform, but that t hey hail made the proposal eentained at the end of the Petition. The Leaders were highly blameable for neat cooling forward and meeting Mr Cobbett in 'exultant. It was Ile defence for them that one of them was Bred and squeezed in a waggon. The proposal was tinionbtedly crude mid uo ligested, but it was manly and direct; and he preferred even that, to the insidious observations which went fort'. to the world that, though that Impose' war hail, the Parliament bad adopted measures which were worse. Mr. BENNET r said he was not surprised that the Right lion. Gentleman was dioirons to do sway the dis grace which a•ta :lied to the pillage in the first instance of the public creditor, and the pillage afterwards of the public debtor, which had been committed hy the tar. vernment. These profligate and abandoned exanip!t , had corrupted the hosed feeitigs of the colintry ; though after all be did not think that the proposal le question could lot coneidered as the act of a discuseine body. Mr. IVESTERN said, he was surprised at the con summate assurance of the Right lion. tlestleinior (17.7: , - site, in denouncing the people of Kent fer an et:pre-- 4cm coming from them in the depth of tl*ir misery.-- The meeting was most respectable, no I lie believed ;, was not Mr. Cobbett who wrong the ol,nnaititie expo.- sion from theta; hut that it was of their own accord. He believed too, that it was not their opinion alone. but that of so many of the most respectable people of the icountry, and was gaining groan(' so fast, es to eeflanga the peace and tranquillity of the contitry. Mr. IHTMh: coutended, that the words of the Petition. calling for a just redaction of the interest of the debt after the reform of that house could be coestmed in fairness to mean no more than a similar reduction to that lately made by the ClEtneellor of the FACheqllNr. The Whigs had been accused, but he complained of the 'Furies as the etiernies of the country. and those who were the cause of all the evils tattler which it was wt' ferieg. Sir F. BURDETT thought it was veer hard that hi , Hon. Friend, the Member for Kent (Mr. llonyemAe should he fallen spun in the way lie had been bea bo th sides of the douse, is consequence of his omission to do what few of the most experienced public me n ' Retail have had presence of mind to do in his situation. It was plain that his Hon. Friend was overwhelmed by a s ad. den elilli.ion of popular feeling. Out least of all did he think his lion. e rten,i's Colleague (Sir E. h.:tau:t hrill) had any right to censure histi, when lie, the Tory Member for the county, and known to be the liostils to the proceeding altogether, did not manfully 4.., forward to no. With respect to th e ' merits of the e .tton, hr did think that it was not at all fair to stigmatiee the MOk in the way they bad been for the proposition the pet;. tioners had made. He hoped the House wo uld not a - low the Noble Marquess opposite to put diem in a star. of I cea ilitywitla the people. The people had a sit ., cativo.% any question as to the just union' of any deb " fir which they were burdened; and in e spressim: Incr .. opinion on the result of their deliberation, they wee , n h m sti to a he ri4. l7 l a t n to iltel see w r i e th ir d pu is c h b o sse nes n t t y c . extent ; and whatever the Noble Marquess might le! , this House on the subject, the people would not het ti i t . dopes in schemes that almost idiots Ciiiiit sec We g ,or f i e h li e y to t h t o h m e g bttttth;.l