The Statesman. — London, England, 1818-04-16 00:00:00

I - Proposed inerenws had orrequiencally manifested shit flpioion 'he Houle nerd the toiletry. Those-who 0 1 ,p,....41 rhPgrunt f10e...a5...V1 in strength on Avery pro. itleasive disrusatoo. From mall parts of the kingdom Members h u rried to prioress their opinion, and fusions what they knew tohe the footois of itre town' ry. Never .warothere* ( pro inn more rieti.teiil sett Hear?) erierie, , h. reverse of , what was ordinarily intr usted. 10 , 14 taboo on that lIIII4Ore. No Mesmer. bad born made to Pavlianieht • on *yrs...mien of its opi. mien was called for. The'R,,sei Assent, it was true, v.* elven, but Parliament . was asked indirectly to give it , . approbation._ Test marriage bad been genea rally ilonipprosod ; and he felt himself justified in easing, that Parliament on that subject had not been fairly treated—pica", hear !1--ihnit he most say, Parliament was net (surly treated in the present mea sure, by hmitarg the Dam of Cumberland into the ropysed Grant. —[Dries of Mar, hear! from all parts of the House.) -11• was pri'cluded by the toms of true Hotta.. lion, proposing aft Amend. lOW on an Amendment • but if the Amendment of the H . Member Inv &relay }should he negatived, it was his intention so move, that there be laid before the House au Aerostat of the whole revenue of his Royal Highness the Doke of Clarence. Lord CASTLEREAGH, in order to remove from the Hon. Member who spoke lest, and horn the Howie, an undue impression, begged to state, that the Ilatigrrahip of Husby Park, exclusive of the house sad slatap.welk, did not ezersel 1091: per annum-9 sum not to be compared with the 3,0001. at which it Was *serried ,by the Hon. Gentleman. With reaper, to the debts of his Royal Highness, he could only say that she statemenimade was not the case. -After the payment of the debts, secured on a portion of Iris Royal Highness's income, there would remain 15.0001. per atinum,•forabe use of bit Royal High. vest and his wife. Mr. COKE (of Norfolk) declared, that sutler the present mistresses of the country, with every incline. lion to increase the due splesidoer of the Royal conk' not secede to the proposed grant. Though he ditfirred from the Noble Lord (Lascelles) Natio so properly expressed his opinion on the mea. sate when first proposed, )et he was willing to afford hi, testimony to his integrity and public spirit on many public occasions. As a constitutional Whig for 40 'ears, he must also say, in answer to what had falter f r , ro the Hots.- Gentleman (the Member for Sir re% ) respecting his Honourable and Learned •Frt•l4l (Mr. Iliongtraro), that as long as the latter acted is the principles that he had stewed and sup stove t in that House, he should have bis most de. ,sid.ll - support . A* MEMBER under the gallery said, that the op. position to the motion put the Royal Family in a most awkward situation..—(iiestr, hear! from the Opposition.) Sir W. CURTIS soppoefed the modified proposi tion of Ministers. -*lr. ELLISON profe*ed his ardent affection for the House of Bresswick. During a long life he was attached to them.—His blood be would shed for throo—(A lough )—and " I will to the lest drop." • A laugh.)—He did, however, think the present proposition st itsjudirioes, stud injuriosa to the Royal intereat. • Ile therotore felt it his duty to op % pose it. He was ready to vote something to the . Doke of Clarence, tut to the general propoaitiOss be 'could not accede. Sir THOMAS ACLAND thought the only ques tion was, what ought to be the proper establishment f or a p r ior, o f the Royal Family upon his marriage. As to character, he had nothing to do with it. Looking at this question in all its bearings, he coukt not go along with his Majesty's Ministers in their prevent proposition. It was the duty of the Howse to o rl ioraii, the Royal Family in the splendour that bel.mged to their st.tion ; but with regard to the Duke of Clarence, lie did not view him in the light high the Noble Lord wished to place him.— Htar, hear !]—The Duke of York was in the altos. sioo of the nest heir to the .Crown, and it was he who was entitled to the largest income. There was •one point which it was impossible for any man to approach without difficulty. On the occasion of the Doke of Cumberland's marriage, the !louse of Corn s , its his opinion, acted on the most illiberal principles Hear, hear!] Iriv't JOHN RUSSELL *taprom] the Resolution ; but the confusion which prevailed in the House during his speech, prevented us from distinctly hearing hie observations. Lord LASCELLES did not consider it necessary to isierpose any delay in deciding the question be. fore the (louse; nor was it necessary to enter. into a minute examistation of all the circumstances belong ing to the Members of the Hord Family. the vim. pie question was thus:—certain individuals of this family were about to enter into the married state; end was the House of Commons to assist them in snaking such arrangements as were necessary to sup port that new situation ? It had never been in his contemplation to refuse to any member of the Royal Family the allowances that were necessary to enable thernto maintain their rank; bet he thought that, in the present state of thetountry, it would be highly im• politic to give so large an allowauce as bad been pro. posed. Mr. FORBES disapproved of the distinction made in favour of the Duke of Clarence, and could not consent to grant him sore than the sum voted to the otter younger brothers of the Royal Family, Its the event of their marriage. • Lord CONIPTON said he fully agreed with the Ilan. Member for Devonshire (Sir T. Adult!), in treg.rd to the motion then before the House. Mr. S. THORN lON took notice of the liberal • in which the Duke of Gloucester behaved to the country on his marriage, by not calling on Par liament to make any addition to his income. He should now vote for the lesser sum. • Mr; BARCLAY here signified his readiness to withdraw his Amendment; but there being some cries in the negative, .the Chairman (Mr.. Brogden) • decided that a division must take place. . • The question was thee loudly called for, and • Wingers were ordered to withdraw. The House, however, did not divide. During our absence from the gallery, which lasted three-quarters of an hour,• we understood that Mr. H. Sumner moved,. that the sue should be reduced from 10,0001. to 60001. and the Ilouse proceeded as follows: Air. Ticatttlf moulted biir.IIARGLAT to withdraw . t , , . 2' M r • ~ . .~ .. . • TIM STATER% . . his Aretrodeiestt, is lbe Ilea: Member acquiesced. • Lord GOWER, spoke lb &Teti of the Toiliti of .4 grant to-his Royal Highness . tbe Duke of Comber land. and expatiated on the exemplary conduct of the Heelless during her residence in Ibis country. — The Noble Lord steted v that her eapences were stle (rayed by the King of Prussia, its consequence of Parliament having refused to vote her au establish ment. Sir C. M ORDAHNI spoke in favour of the smaller SUM proposed. Mr. LAMBTON complained of the dilemma in which be was placed. He ohservedohat he • was against , any grant; and that if he voted against the 60001. 1 Ire might occasion a majority in favour of the- 10,613QL;t0 which he was still more averse. Sir atuwaT HEATIICOTE thought that the preamat incomes of the junior branches of the Royal Family were ample enough. He, as an individual, was, obliged to attend to his domestic concerns, and Wilk/lush, they ought to do the same.• Mr. CA I.V observed, that the difficulty arose from the embarrassed circsunstances of the country. fli that the utmost economy ought to be ub- 'e thought rerved ht. tbr intruded grants. 'Mr. BROUGHAM adverted to the difficulty com plained of by Mr. Lambton, and recommended him to vote in the first instance for the smaller sum, which merely pledged the Committee to s grant not exceed ing 6(X)01., after which he might, in a •subsequent stage, vote for redacisig.tbat sum to an amount mere ly nominal. Mr. TIERN El * understood that the Noble Lord meant to propose something by way of dower, to which he bad no objection, and therefore would not concur in ally vote that might• break, up the Com• mit tee. Mr. CANNING commented on the point of or. der, and stated, that if the House were against voting any grant at all, they might stop the proceedings wf the _Committee altogether, ur vote a nominal sum, which would answer the same purpose. Hut he rose for the purpose of expressing his approbation of the larger, sent proposed. Whets be compered the pro. Iceediegs of this night with the feeling that prevailed t on the (Teeing of the Session, he was at a loss to conceive by what process the whole feeling then :expressed had been so completely evaporated.-.- (Here strangers were re-admitted.)—lf it was ex pedient to provide for the succession to the Throne, it was an unfair and an imperfect view of the question then before them, to consider the circumstances of each specific marriage. With respect to his Royal Highness the Duke of Clarence, he could assure the House he Mould not have thought of contracting this •marriage, it never would have entered into his con templation to engage in this alliance, if it had not been pressed upon him as an act of public duty.— ( Loud wishes were limited to such means as might enable him . to support his situation io the country with becoming dignity. As a contrac tor of debt he did not stand before the House: his Noble Friend had told them that his Royal Highness bad voluntarily, and by arrangements of his own, set apart a portion of his income fur the payment of irstercst, and be believed, also for the insurance of his life, and the gradual liguidstion of the . principal. Without this alliance he wanted not the aid of Parliament, and he contracted this alliance, riot for his own private gratific.stion—( Loud laughter.)--but because he bad been advised to do so for the politic purpose of providing for the suc cession to the Throne.—(4 laugh.)—lf there was any thing ridiculous in this proposition. it was brought about by their own laws. The laws of the country prevented the Royal Family from entering into engagements of marriage at home ; they insisted that the branches of their Royal Family should look abroad for wives ; and when they came to du this, (as in the present case,) not from liking or affec tion, for that could not be supposed possible, when the persons had not even seen each other. He thought the House could not refuse this grant of 10,0001. to the person who might,produce the heir to the. Crown, without exposing him to embarrassment, and bring. ing exorbitant expence on his establishment. Mini sters were convinced that no less a sum would he sufficient ; for if it did not render the marriage int- I practicable, it would at least endanger its peace, happiness, and prosperity.—(Loud kughter.)—in voting the sum, the house would only grant one-half of what was orginally proposed, and for less than that Ministers would not be responsible. Mr. WODEIIOUSE suppoteted the Amendment of the Member of Sorry (Mr. Sumner.) Mr. W. SMITH thought that a sufficient sum might be taken out of the Windsor Establishment. Sir W. GUISE spoke to the same effect. Lord CASTLEREAGH said, that no establish meet could be conducted with so mach economy as the Windsor establishment : there could be no re duction, except perhaps in the department of the great Officers of State. 'That establishment had been unfairly rated : it was looked upon as if it was solely applicable to the Royal Family, but it supported many of the Of f icers of State connected with tho Queen's establishment. At the utmost not more than 10,0001. could be reduced of this establishment. Mr. TIERNEY insisted, that the Windsor establishment was , far greater than was necessary for the purposes of use or splen dour to the venerable Monarch, or the branch of the Family resittiost uitb him. There was b 0.60 N. for the Privy Purse, tint of which no expense was paid except of the medical at tendants : he would fah: Lae that, at the utmost, at 5 it. a day. This would amount to no more than 184501-out of the 50,0001.; but then, its addition to this sam, there was 10,t4/31. a year from the Duchy of Lancaster; add to that, the income of the two lenient Princesses, which was equal to ?6,0001. mere, the .60,0001. for the Queen's establishment, besides the 100,000 1 . for the King's; anti the aggregate sum was no less than :16,0001. — Now, w hat was dove with all this money ? Was it spent. or nearly spent I and if not, for what purpose was it accumulated; and why might it not he applied to .uch uses as outfitting the different stanches of the Family, on the ecemiuts of their mar riages? He thought & redectioa ought to be made of all super- Outwit es pences. Lord LAATLEREAGII, in a low tone of voice, replied. that the medical attendance last year came ti 98,000 1.; it was not fair to reckon in. as he had • done, the income of the Princesses; stillless was it fair to count the income of the Often, who, in fact, was emitted to more than t-. 0.0001 , hav ing, by legal settlem ent. a dower of 100 0001. appropriated to herself. Great part of the Privy Purse was applied to be. nevelent purposes; besides providing her Majesty with car ringeS, senates, and other rea.onable rap aces of her station. Mr. HOLM E SUM? JCR said, that when be stated sae amount of 'bedews of the Duke of ( A ureate co rumour, he bad allowed • that it might probably be without foundation. and it now turned out to he -o. His Noble Friend aod•the Right Hon. Geode autnit.,d told them that be.was mistake% The, said slat they might he I quidated by a payment of 5.0001. a year during his life. The question was, whether the House should grant the. Doke of Clarence the interest at that seta, the fee of whims be bast telcady ceasamed. - - N. Mr...ltlt M BTON did mot conceive that ble eVold adopt the motion of his Hoo, Friend s be felt it his doty,inswaver. to ex press MI bpinion o sod be, tberefore, no* reminded bib **a tee limes* no the subject, by aoviog too the (Maistioso doom leave the Chair. No min could entertain a blest* respect than qmoelf for the illestriodi House of Brumes ice : bred op as he had beets in the principlesohicb Anted that finally otrthe Throne, he must he entities for its happiness and honour; but in the present burdened state ofpbe country, when saw the now lan guishing in want, when be retollected that this evil had in creased to a degree no longer to he %tone, when be saw distrela in every part of the conotry.• he could not tonserit to !linden the People with one shilling more. If circumsuinces had f ettered to render the Windsor e-tetilirlienebt useless or runtimes. tart'. let it be done away altogether. He could not consent to consider It as at all connect , d with this question : the flu. scion was, whether they shnold or should not provide ow of the pockets of the People for the use and benefit of the Dithedf Clarence. because through his misconduct be bad extrava gantly thrown away what Parliament bad so liberally given him. The House would ill discharge its duty to i s Co,,sti. meets. whom they must shortly meet *gain, if they did not resist so unconstitutional a measure in tie beginniag. They would forfeit ever claim to the respect of the cookry.—(Cries of question were her- boldly repeated ) Mr. C. WY4 R.—Feeling as he did its strongly as any man, that his Majesty's Ministers tad consented to abandon their orig,oal egotism, which. if adopted. most have guar far is shake the affeciott alike People tw the Resit! Family, and all cone denee in Parliament. he begged shortly to date his opinion why he was still tip ..d to agree with the Amendment of the Mem ber for Surrey. Ile could not accede to the opinion that the junior Members of the Koval Family, having already received a settlement in their unmarred state, e ere entitled to call tiro, the Public for an add' ' of grant on their marriage, He thottght that the Regiment on which the larger ;rent to the Duke of Clarence was founded. a tmely. his relative situation in the Royal Fain ly. w ss, in tact. destructive of the prit,osition that the younger branches should also he am .1v provided for with additional tOOdb. For *Lamas the aiming) of preside life? • Was it usual, when the eldest son was settled in marriage white la, ge fortune, and a corresponding establishment, to increase also the 'tortures and establishments of the younger branches in the in e .proponion ? %va% not the very contra's be customary mode of proceeding Ile should give his vote in favour of the 6.00111. which, in a former instance. was considered a suffice, at income. in the event of no increase'', family. it w uld be for Parlia ment to consider the circumstances of the case, a d to grant on increase if t t•ey tit aught proper. Up is the whole. he was de cidedly of opinion that the miner•itnwasforthepre.entatb ciest. The c ries of question became vehement, apd the House di. ided , — Fur Mr. Hot*, Rowe ear's amondment of 6.0001. a year, There sere i 93 Against it 184 Majority agairmt Mini .rees 9 The account of the numbers was received in the House with loud acclamations. Strangers were not again admitted into the Gallery till the subject of the allowances was dispobed We were informed that Mr. Brougham, on the result of the divisio. being ascertained, asked Lord Castle. reagh whether he intended to accept the sum granted by the Committee ; and whether, as he could tint obtain the lowest sant which Joe cortidered necessary, he would not refuse to take any thing less?—and that Lord Castlereagh stared his intention to accept of the reduced grant. Some conversation took place es to whether they would Report the Resolution agreed to, or Report progress, and ask leave to sit Orin, and the latter course was adopted. The other Orders of the Day were then proceeded In, after which the Rousts adjourned. MCC OF STOCKS Till' Hank Mock $ per Cent UM. 798; $ per Ceni.Coapols 8O Consols (or Are. Iql3h 4 per Cut. SIM DAY AT O,IF. O'CLOCK. 5 prr Celli. Navy IWO India Hands 95 98 p SlOlll Lang Ann 90j Eachequer Bilk 18 29 THE STATESMAN. LONDON: THURSDAY' APRIL 16, 1111 S. " Let thi.se smile now th*t Dever soiled before, And those who dared to tassels, now laugh the more. 4 The dohates in Parliament last night, and their result, will incite mock satisfaction throughout the country ; and if there be any one who can peruse the Ministerial speeches, and contemplate the situa tion to which they have voluntarily reduced them selves and other Illustrious Persons whom we need not mention, without laughter and contempt, we make an erroneous estimate of the flexibility of site public muscles, for HERACf.ITVS himself would smile at such a group of disappointed faces. It will be observed, that the Royal Message was last night pressed into consideration in both Houses of Parliament ; and that whatever may have been the extent of pressure upon the Ministers behind. it must be allowed, as Lord CASTLEREAGH says, and loves to say, they did their duty in the way of argument, if pressing into the service of profligacy for praise worthy precedent all the follies of the country, ma nifested and lamentably perpetuated in its enormous grants of money to royal spendthrifts, and if con tending for the justice and propriety of fresh and unnecessary burdens of this kind upon the diminish ed and distressed finances of the British People, be the duty of a Minister. This is the enviable praise to which • they lay claim, and they will get no other commendation from the country they sought still further so scandalously to abuse. The approba. riots of the modest and considerate Personnel who were so desirous of petting their merits and claims for additional remunerations to the test of public appro bation, or who so injudiciously allowed themselves to be persuaded into these propositions, must con sole the defeated advocates of Royal extravagance for all the disgrace of the defeat of last night. The sums proposed were reduced from the gross absurdity of the amounts mentioned at the private Parliament (the statements respecting which by Mr. TIER NET were admired to be correct), to mere exorbitance, and in this modified shape submitted with all the sopi►i,try of which Lord LIVERPOOL, Lord CASTLEREAGH, and CANNING and his Company of Court flatterers, are possessed. An Amendment was proposed in the Purrs. of Lords, but no division ensued : the most momentous events.took place in the Commons. In. stead of the profligate and scandalous grants which in the present state-of the country it was originally tended to recommend, namely, about 20,0001. addl. tional to the Doke of CL4asecry 10,000 was seb- :.~. Z ; and 0000iinttred of it,ta theatterP t i To this Mr. HOLUB SUMNER mowed an.Amesdaeati substituting 80001. for 10,0001. After a warm d e . bate, and btu& laughter at the strange deal-4e sad .'" circomstahces urged in justification of the grants, it was carried amidst shoots of triumph by a majority of NINE, that tlia:Deke of Ci.saaNca should °ai r have'6oool. ' • • • The report of die discustion is to abusing, s a d contains so much information on points not often s o well illustrated, that we bare not reserved room f o i much comment. We recommend she Whole debate,. the attentive metal of the Public. They will as from these memorable ditlarationi haw'tbe moneys( the British People goer, and what sort of Reform it necessary. The manner in which 'the additional sum has foi l gra sited might have beets-takees '7..persons of ser e ; pekes pride for a refusal of the whale ; bet It wool appear the• six •thousead and the affront are to bi t pocketed together. T i here 4, however, great mime to believe that the Punag of SaxisNsinntace will lose the Royal HusWao thus intended for her ; for Lord CAmrstriatt is Said 10 have intimated, eg the Muse was not disposed to Out a larger sum,t{oi the marriage contract in which his Roy al Highness got engaged n ight now, he believed, be cousidered as alto end. TheLady,Lowever,oho has thus bees made 4 Ws paw, for political purposes, may not experienced very heavy loss in the secession of a lover oho mate ries with such views as are avowed en the pa st of i t s Duke of CLABINCE by Lord CASTLBSIWiII. Is is declared that the Royal Duke sagest not kis ia. tended Bride frum any liking or affection to her per. son, but That his views were simply of a pu t i n I nature," and that the peace, happiness, and pros perity of the marriage would be endstigered, unless be got an additional 10,0001. a year ! Whatnot{ of marriage, that is to all the essential purposes f, which matrimony was °Moaned, we weave those to determine, who connect conscience and religion with such matters. There is no want of specimens whereby to judge of the happiness and erects of such unions. The morality of such examples, the Ad ministration of CASTLEBRAMI and SIDIIOUTR are, no doubt, equally prepared to support.— It is fortunate for the Duke of CLARvlcg, that the real cause of his distress is not en mess of the ten , der passion, though it appears he might be Woad again to put on the melting air,, were he sufficiently , paid for it. But it is, it seems, an old grievance that is preying at the heart of his Royal - Ilighne,s. It is • intimated in his behalf, and 11 powerful argument it is, for a further grant of money (thanks to the dia. cossions, by which we come at the truth et lest), that his amorous and Princely Highness has made awpy with what Parliament so liberallygoae him,got over head sad • ears in clett, like other Princes, and now comes far. warn for the interest of a sum, the whole of , which he has already cotistitniaii. ‘Ve congratulate the (ratios on the indignant 'ejection of such proposals. Paris Papors'to the 13th lost. have been received. The liquidation of the Foreign claims on France appears to he still a subject of active negoeiation tureen the Doke of WELLINGTON, the Duke De RICHELIEU, the Prussian Plenipotentiary, and Bart n MOUNIEH. The Munileur quotes a long article, which gives reason to believe that the matter is at length approaching to a satisfactory termination. It admits in principle the perfect justice of the claims advanced by Furrier' Powers—that nothing is mom equitable than that France ought to abide by rbe . political situation in which she has been placed by public *Freaties—and that any thing which may haws occurred since the period of these Treaties to dere. lop the amount of her debts to be greater than chit she originally anticipated, ooght not, in strictness, to modify the obligations imposed by these Treaties ; but at the same time it submits that, imperious as the obligation of payment is, the force of things is more imperious still ; and that, it being impossible far France to pay alt she owes, we most be content that she shall pay all she can. If the Allies expect more of a cat than her skin, they ,must lay their acconut with the claws. A private letter from Paris of the 9th says—" The day before yesterday his Grace the Duke of •WELLINicrox announced to the Mini• sters of the Allied Powers, the taus which he had determined on for the definitive arrangement of the liquidation claims : they are settled at eight milliow and a half of renter, or about 170 millions of lines." The discussion on the Budget was still continued in the Chamber of Deputies. The 5 per Cents wets 07f. sc.—Bank Actions, 1,505 f. Dutch Mails have also arrived. Trade at Frank fort is in a state of great and increasing activity. The'• had been a considerable ingot of strangers into that city, preparatory to the Fair, which is expected robe* better 'one than was anticipated. Engli►h goods and prime Salton manufactures are extensively sought. — There is "very prospect also of an abundant hs+•ve , t• Private letters from Rome state, that in the Con cordat concluded between the Holy See and Naitlm, there is' one regulation for securing the cutoplete tu leration of the Protestant Itelion. It is understood in the City, that the cpsniat Con- - snl lately paid into the hands of Mr. flans' , 250,0001.. on recount of th e Russian Gnvernmew. The name of Sir JAillif MACINTObIi was (Milted `:/ mistake, in • the List of the Minority o n Nl , • Bstouousis's motion for en Amendment to the Ad dress. on Monday last. 141)(IN Pm tee and r STATUIRAII tiracs, u. 1, Salidury-nalift, Fleet-otreci _..J.... 4 J