The Statesman. — London, England, 1810-02-03 00:00:00

~-- IMPERUL Pd&LLIMENT. HOUSE OF COMUONS. Ir4IDAY, FEn. 2. General GASCOIGNE presented a petition from the inha bitants of the city of Liverpool, praying for a continuance of the Act prohibiting the distillation from grain.—Ordered to he on the table. Mr P. MOORE, seeing'an lion. Gentleman in his place, wished to ask It it was the intention of Government to revise thr Committee for inquiring into the affairs of India? M r. WALLIS answered in the affirmative. [AVERSION BILL. Mr. BANKES brought in a Bill for rendering the Art pasted in the 48th year of his present Majesty, prohibiting grants orplacas * reversion perpetual. It was read a first, and avdered to be read a second time oa Monday. A Person from the African Company presented certain' - gremlins at the Bar of the Masc. Ordered to lie on the Table. Sir JOHN SINCLAIR: rive notice, that on Monday he. would move f,r leaveto bring in a Bill to amend as Act fir , RAtairity the Highways. .• Lord OClllt A N gate notice, that be watild on Mon day move for copic.s of the Oaths administered to Owns Martial and Judge Advocates. Returns of the ships cnteriag and clear* oat of the ports Srotland fur the last year were brought from tbe Commie - s.• tiers of Customs in Scotlaad, and ordered to Lie on the 'I able. • Mr . . JACKSON brought up the Report of the Committee on Scotch Judicature; which, afters few words from Mr. ' Ho a sir. Pi and Mr. RYDER, was ordered to be Owed. ltdr. CALCRA FT moved for Returns of all the Foreign Corps nod Cairn:dal Tsatip's in his Majesty's service; as also , the nantbers of the slaudipg Militia, together With the fists of Alescrters, tke.— Granted. ' • tor.' Wlll A ItToel moved fur the returns of thib 5 pei cent. • and ofAlatt Ansonia of .Laelsequer Bills for 1809, outstanding and uoprovided for,,m-Granted. CHAIRMAN Pk' THE. cg. 411 ITTEE t*' WAYS • ' ' • . ASO 1iF,..1.1A S. •The Order . ..4' tha Astl being moved for the Nouse to cassava itself inks is Committee of Ways : and Means, • Mr: W. SMlTtlese to object to the manner in which the sew hairman of the Committee had • bets 'appeintedOrii's! to propose another. The Speaker obeeeled, that to enable the House to'deeidu on that it was necessary be • should resume the Ch Ms. W. SMlTabrpilly-repthl pi ayd the Speaker agrti tboit'tlie thittiVV W,SMIT Oat proposed Mr. D. Giddy: - The CHANCELLOR, of the EXtIIEQUER olisirved, that this question ought to hare been . divided on going into a Committee of Supply. If "steels:irregular proteedings were to be admitted on ta , !.ltext Committee, another now Chairman might . ..atipro posed. He thought the Gentleman who had Amen called to ilte - ChitiVbn'a former evening ought to he stpl.continued in that situation. .tift. W. gMITII was.aware, that the Chancel. laretibt Esehuptie was.crisrect in whet he had stattd •is to Meanest" of be lionse; but it had - ever been usual 'to have a sort of an understand.. r lag oho •was to •be called upon, and it tad never Wore - occurred, :that after a long debate, a Gen. . (lowan • ;lintild be called to the Chair. [Here Mr. Smith was isiformed that the appointment had . peen made early in the evening.] He was not sorry tri . be 'eortected.in that particular.; he however had other grounds for objecting to the appointment of ! 31r. Lophingtott to •the situation, as, in the pre. • seat state of affairs, he could . hardly think that Gentleman qualified to fill it. He bad been a ',Member 27 years, and remembered four if not • five Gentlemen who had successively held that of. ice. He remembered Mr. Gilbert, Mr. Hob hoosei Mr. Alexander, and the last Gentleman whicuTleil the Chair with so much credit to him.; • self. All of them were Gentlemen who, having been in the. •Honse for a dumber of years, had psi! the attention of the Members ; a. Jaen ought• not-to be placed in that situation, who, bpd got his lesson tOjeartr, but one who having ' .already learnt it had only to practise it. It was the strong conviction felt ot? that head which placed, 'the Speaker in the sitoation he so worthily filled.: l .The Honourable Grentlatuse who had presided ovir the Committee on a former evening, though he wished to speak of him with the greatest respect, having sat in the House but two or three years, could hardly be thought to possess the necessary qualifications. The great increase of business in 'that House rendered the duties of the situation more arduous than ever, or why had the sum Usually voted for the ' services of the Gentleman tilling that situation been increased from 5001. to 12001. ? He did not quarrel with the Honourable Gentleman (Mr. Leshington)—he only quarrelled with his want of those qualifications which it was, almost physically impossible he could possess. Ile had had some thoughts of proposing Mr. Hob. house; but he knew that Gentleman was particu larly attached to one party in that House, end he thought impartiality in a Chairman of the Com. mittee very desirable. That was the reason he had proeoseal the Honourable Gentleman he had nam ed, who, being unconnected with either party, he thought most eligible to fill the situation. • Mr. D. GIDDY was greatly obliged to the Hon. Gentjetuan, for his good opinion, and for the honour he had done him. He was not aware of the lion. Gentleman's intention. He had no tliought of offering himself on the occasion, though if their choice bad fallen on him, hkehotad hay,: beets ausiouctoalleelmrge the duties of the siinatiun in a satisfactory manner. Mr. ROSE, though he felt the highest sonti. MOM of respect for the lion. Gentlemen who had been last proposed, thought the lion. Gentleman called to the Chair on a former evening ought Cot to be displaced. Mr. LONG contended the house had not 'been taken by surprize. It hail been previously an. pounced, in fact, as a notice of the Committee bad been giros. The lion. Gentkmen called to the Chair was competent to the discharge of the duties of the situation. Air. LUSHINGTON was aware that the lion. Gentleman (Mr. Giddy) might be better quiliied for the situation than himself. It was for the House to decide which of them should preside htheir Committees. Whether their choice fell on im or not, he truate4 his conduct would merit their approbation. After a conversation In which M. M. m Moot . goery, Mr. Wharton, Mr. Ponsenby, Sir C. Adams, and Mr. Fuller participated, M. W. SMITH declared, that a wish for jot. partia4ty in the Chair had influenced his conduct. li e ts (!u hc he had bunter; chesugject forward at therrew tiasc. 'lt cotdd pot be said be wished THE STAT to take them by surprise, when he barbronglit the case before se full a House. Sinie s !weever, the Hon. Gentleman hethad propostid seemed to decline, it certainly was not for him to press the subject farther. The question was then put and carried, almost unanimously, in favour of Mr. lostiitagton, WAVt tabs it EA is: • _.l , lse House iesolted itself into a Committee of Vr.ys:aml 'Means, in which the Malt Tax and Pursohill Property Tax were voted, and the Re port was ordered to be received on Monday. General GASCOYNE wished to know if the Hon. Member who was Joel about to rise (Mr. H. Martin) would object to postponing his in. 'ended motion for the present, if it e3uld be dame without occasioning any serious inconvenience ? Mr. H. MARTIN bad no objection to • post pone it till that day se'nnight, if it were the plea,- sure of the House, and that day WAS likely to be open. The CHANCELLOR, of t h e EXCITEQUE,. thought it likely to be an open day, and 'won't! have no objection to its then being brought on, unless they were pressed by veil particular busi ness. Mr. PONSONBY wished the Inquiry into the Expedition to the.Scheldt to be carried on with as little interruption as possible, and hoped the lion. Gentleman would not press his motion till that subject was dismissed. • - _ The nintion was postponed till Friday. Mr. IiFiIITBO,EAD, said, having waved his motion forcartaiii, Papers relating to America for some days, he. 'svottitt then . give notice, that on Monday ho would move for tkioso Papers only which may then he already published.-- • He hoped the Right Hon. Gentleman opposite (Mr. Yorke) . would not move the Standiug Order. The SPEAKER said, . that as every lion. Member had the right of enforcing that Order, is. was a point which could not be'diicussed. Mr. CROKER iil'esented certain Papers rela. tive to Lord Gambier's Trial.—Ordered to lie on the Table. BUIAION.—EXPORTS AND IMPORTS. Mr. ROSE presented a number uf, returespnr scant to Order, respecting the Trade and Com merce of the Country, and moved that they du lie un the Table. Mr. ROSE next eberved, that he was not pre sent, but he understood an Honourable Member who spoke last night had stated, that all the im ports of the country were paid fur in bullion, which was not the fact. It was also said, that the Orders of Council would produce a great defaisa tion in the trade of the country, which was con_ tradicted by the papers which he hail the honour Of producing. So far from the imports being paid for in bullion, the balance of trade was, for the - last three quarters, sixteen millions in favour of the country. As far as-his judgment would lead him, for he had no specific information on the sub ject, the export of bullion did not, he believed, 'amount to snore from this country to Europe than 400,0001. for the last year. • The, amount of the vapor(' of this country amounted in value merely to '28,000,0001. for the last three quarters, while the imports for the year were not more than 22,000,0001. With respect to the. trade to the United States of America, hie predictions were ve. rifled, for though it decreased there, the House, by consulting accounts, would find' that there was a considerable increase in our commerce with other parts .of the Continent. On the: whole, to all parts of the world, there may be 6,000,0001. ex ported. Mr. HORNER observed, that the Right lion. Gentleman must have read a very inaccurate ac count of what he said, if he supposed Lim to have advanced that the whole of our exports were paid for in bullion. lie observed on the preceding evening that bullion, by some means or other, was mixed more with our exports and imports than formerly. The internal state of the country was flourishing in the extrame, notwithstanding the improvideut waste of money by the Government, as was evident from the high price of machinery, and also in the high price of shares in those great machines of trade and commerce, canals. Mr. BARING said, the Right lion. Member was anxious to bring forward his statement at the present moment, when he knew the House wai anxious to proceed to the important basiness which stood for the day. It was attempted to be propagated abroad that Ministers were the authors of the great prosperity of the trade of the coun. try; but he would prove the contrary to the Mouse, when the-subject came more regularly be fore it,' and the papers were prittted. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER observed, that Ministers never put in any such claim. It-was said by the lion. Gentleman and his friends, that the measures adopted by Govern.; meat would bo fatal to the trade and commerce of the country; but their prediction was falsified by the facts which appeared as the face of the - trap - era just presented. The motion was then agreed to l and the papers were ordered to be printed: EXPEDITION TO THE SCHELDT. Lord PORCHES'fEtt, before he moved the Order of the Day, rose to give notice, that en Monday he would - move for certain papers, which he thought were necessary to render those already before the House complete. In those before them two or three objects were named as those proposed to be obtained by the expedition; while one part of the forie was to be stationed as a garrison in Walcberen, the other was to proceed to accom plish such of, the ulterior objects of the expedi tion as might appear practicable. But could It be thought, when the expedition sailed, that no plan, no instructions, save those in the General Orders *. wereliVen r - Piotivfhl . pa t icis befoie them it sp. peered, that a very few days after the Noble Lord opposite hid stated, that " in consequence of Oil seasonable fall of Fiddling every Obstacle to tbii accomplishment of the ulterior object, of the ee. pedition . was removed ? " the ''syhnle itt' those pb .; „ . jects were ebirdpmed. could it be ihoufht Ault the General hid rectieed ne'inatertiem in theirs.. tcrim to influpFe piicooduct P:: 'veil ut npi-• nion that filch qepTialcAtiPsiliwitit 6, 4 Plitcolv and a they Nero setindeosil l *moot cifusliper AN. 41010apitts before disallows a lefective and la. cumidete; he should therefore give notice, that' on Monday he would move, " . Thae certain Pa -1 parr:relating to the .Expedition to the Scheldt be laid More the House." Lord CAiWIALLEAGH took the earliest op portituay of pruMnting the Inquiry. When . lb4l lubjeet was aelterted to before he was Unfortik , stately absent, sad nothing had been said till then that could justify him in coming, forward with the information it might be in his power to give.. Ito, was then prepared foliate; that the War Office did, net contain: alt . Ttitist was necessary to give the Noble Lord the information ho, required. It was impossible for .Pefifons employed on such a service to act wholly front documents, and all the infor• mation that could be derived from documents would not proceedirem the War Department ; it would' Wild duty hereafter to state where such in. formation might he fuend.—The inquiry, it would appear at the outset, naturally divided itself into two branches, sod he wished to know to which the House first proposed .to direct .their attention. With'respect to the policy of the Expedition, bat a competatively small portion of information could be derived from papers that might be laid.' before the How. s Those considerations which influenced his Maje4U's Government would have I some weight with dial when deciding on the po. licy of the measure .into which. they were abuts! to ; s quire. He would have to tionsider if the co try %Val stt eircumstanceil that such an effort ;nig . be Marie. without too mach impairing Our rooftree's The presurnable.expenee was,also to be consideretli . and whether the calculation hid been exceeded, The situation in which we . etuod with our Allice, was also to be remembered, ihotigh that conside. ration, with respect to Austria, might be too deli., cafe &saltiest to be openly discussed, bat of that his lialineigipisters were the must competesit . judges. The Houle .probably pot aware of 1 the - gee* extent of evidence necessary to enable' them to,decitle on the policy'of his Maiysty's Go. verriment, and to judge the grounds on which the late Expeditious . was Undertaken. He should feel it to be his duty to veil for such docunteete i l and such evidence as might be required, as the Inquiry proceeded. Ho supposed, from the dance the Noble Lord had summoned, that it 1411 his intention first to proceed to the execetion,of the Expedition. If that were .thecksequid if tle policy or expediency of the measure were not*, first t brought before the Eloise, he shonldi feet u s4 ; to be his duty to movo at the same period of OK Inquiry for information on that sUbjeeti would be presumption is him to lay before hn ,• House .the• case of the Commanders or of . Atiniii; ten. Ile was glad the *bin Lord could not and the plan and. the instructions he4xpeeted in . the papers before the tlouse. Thc grounds of the in strurtions on which the army were to act were contained under the Sign Manual, and were of -• general nature. They did mot preteed to travel dr into thealetail of-what was W regulate the con. uct of the General. •On the face of the Admi ralty instructions it would be seeis.they went more into the detail. The • reason was,e'the Admiralty being a professional Roqttl, were capable of in. structing their Officers how to act, which Ministers could not do when sending out a General Officer, with a military force. It would be travelling fur. thcr into the subject than .he at present 'pro. posed doing, were ho to go at large into the •ge. nerally understood principle on .which it Was un. l l dertaken ; but at moue period of the Inquiry he should state to the House the nature of the sec. aide, the course taken in the. execution of it, and., the consideration whence his approbation pro - ceeded, when he stated that that which had inter. feted with the ulterior .objects of the Expediti had been removed by the fall of Flushing. Thtl ulterior objects were 'unioubtedli'Anisierp, and theshipping, arsenals,Magealues, &c. in its vicinityr lie should state •his opinion of what had hem' done, and be ready to hold the Officer from blame who had commanded the armament if itshould appear he had done his duty.. He wisheii• to ask the Noble Lord if he intended first to call evidence as to the policy or the execution ? He had no 'wish to express on the subject. He wished entirely to conform to that mode of inquiry which the House in its wisdom should consider the best. He wished the fullest inquiry to be made into his conduct, that it might he seen how far his influence had been exerted in advising the Expedition. • Lord pottcliEsTEß: said, that. as it might not be possible to separate the policy from the execution, he proposed to go by time. Beginning with the sebjects connected with the documents of the earliest date, he thought they might commence with the policy, proceed with the' cunduct,.and close with the evacuation of Walchcren. Sir F. BuRDErr thought the Orders of the • Commander in Chief to the Officers under hint ' appeared wanting.. rk_ejsr.odisetiotrbf the Mili. tax, Jammu/ fff the Staff Officers he thought might supply the deficiency. •. Lord CASTLEREAGU and Sir P. BURDETT ex. changed a few words, which, from the noise which prevailed in the gallery, we were unable to collect. Mr. CROKER gave notice that he should on Monday move for certain papers relating to the Expedition to Walcheren, which had been omitted in the returns laid on the table, Thole Rapers would servo to mike the whole complete, in order to a proper understanding of the question so far as related to the share which the Admiralty Board had jn . the Expedition, . Mr. W. WYNNE wished to know if the Coma mender in. Chief of the Expedition had been in. Urn;led.tn proceed immediately to Antwerp, or if it tart of his order to besi.ge f lushing first ? lilt tCASTLEREAG If knew of no. instruct: flip; but thoSe'eiven 'cinder the Sign Manual. Me. TIMRNEY thoight any papers that it, coolant be necessary for them to harp produced' Coluld be moved for in Iho'Committee. ' . :, The Cif 4NCEI4I;OR of the Excquwea eel opinion they might .be referred to a Secret Cenuajtlee, who sociW' decide what papers might to'be predliced. 4 9 ale g l ive notice that on M NA% tim be wunid e for Clio gitpqiupnetit of t ow •Rzitzi Midl he fk°4 l it 09 t ° RI q . 1 0h a tommittee rT . • .1•1.-_ bid the nese -44 the House in their re voir , a right to determine is what manner th e l should be carried on. lie was for ep poi ; a Committee that night, that no time sh od lost. - I I Mr. CANNING. was anxious to give th e t o spiry the greatest possible effect. Il e h ad turnL .:ly suggested the propelbtrof referri ng the teili,2 evidences to other tribunals, mid h e gate it :/ t , opinion that it would r itiive been bette r 10 te lit ~dune. He would state, in a very few w ards '-he thought it would be most becoming the worsts, to inquire into. There were three pointeto se l'% he thought their attention should be direct e d . r it l, first in order which, they plight to investi gate li - the policy of the Expedition. This wa s t h e newt: tendetqeestioooince it comprehended thesiteal:" in which Great Britain was placed with the a& - ' Powers ailEtspare. Fur this he felt himself i ii 7 L highest degree- responsible. The Military AZ Naval proceedings, though he viewed etera sip 7 the most favetwablo eye, he could not thine i t ; self responsible fee. He did nut cooki e , L . answerable ;at ell enswerae for the e eacistiii 7 Walcheren ; at , the same time, while saying th:! ho most distinctly deserved to be endontoed ea , giving an °pillion either the not e way 0 14 other. - ffe was in the deepest .degree responsible at ho bad to answer for the origin of the lisp, dition. It inieht be that the House Wield le — II opiukus, that blame attached itself nowhere; b y jr it should appear that blame did attach I lse. v i ler; if he von; too attire in eliciting slis at , l o s.. a d i c peciedice of edliers, it might appea r tho he wished tolbsow the blame off himself by pl at i. ' the misconduct of others in a most lemi s s otespoi : i of view. Ile would, therefore,. pooch's'', glut his attendance thrsseghout the lageiry, a l d gs , every explanation of Ida own Conduct; h e t e,, his intention to avoid as must ae pee s iw bki . au active part, whore he was. nqt Datums*, ca , cernesi, • . The Papers were ordered to be referred to ti t Committee. ' " The House, on the motion of Lord PORCHUTIII then resolved into the Committee. ' ' Mr. YORKE now moved . the Standing Ord rt fur exclusion of Strangers, which-was, of count enforced ) and the . Gallery yea clepeed. ' . [We were net again • admitted, but we entire stand that on Sir D. Dtsndas (the - first wiutts) Aeimi called in to bq eaamitted, some fliffiCtill t - arose...ll.W tbe - froegloty of examining Sir D av i withcistit. MO especla leave of Ms Majesty. Si ~ band .. wes direetetitli withdraw, end after saes disceasion, at the'Onoclusion of wbioli the clog. nation of Sir .INWeisi was not procteded . an, th House ; at too delitek, adjourned WI Selittlayl ',.,. ' I • ' E3S•XX ELECTION, .: .. • Flittrpo -....Milliram• r , - ~i i i . . -- The Election for a Knight of the Shire, to sena in the room of John Bullock, Esq. deceased, use on at Chelmsford on Wednesday last. Mr. lie. gnyne arrived in the morning, .with some free* frota London, Omni eight o'clock. Me :Hastings made his entry nbouteielen o'clock, supportelbr a very numerous and respectable body f Fors. holders, many of whom had briskfast othst : 11 morning at Screens, the sett. qt T„10. li int.d, Esq. (Mo. Iloublon's father.lo,lloll4, 4 oorlm.ltell forms having been gone thrueglii:Joho Catty* Eoq. proposed Mr. ifoublon to fibs Motors it a speech, in which he gave a Alert amen* el the politioal life of their deceased Acptioesta tivc, and ceutriiiii.lp introduce Mrs. •Cletke, the burden of the sooriof Alley Vroker, she Crows and Anchor 'rework*. htei Sad towel by. what ho conceived :Mb', 46 tilatt ' Or isducemoots" for the ".Phsetgre, tit. .ltte .. joi: 4„.....,'that he wit. n foxJtutsthari:littli4 tittg been aught bqw to pall in, ert‘is itipergi t Ito,: pull in the House '.,tsf Comment 41teki tla , necessary. ; • Sir JOHN TYRRELL -ttoise&red de Electors in a short speech in.• ' ' 'of Mr. Houhloti. . Mr. II OUBLON then addresied the Me.oting to the followint.. Parrott :LeMr. High Sherif, G.e.ntlemen Voters, and Bes)ther Freeholders—ln aspiring to the high Aorwinr Of representing yea in Parliament, I should be wenting in respect to you if I did nut feel and confess myself impressed with the deepest sense of the importance of the trust to be vested in the charge of your •Represeutative. Should I be fortunate enough to possessyonr goat opinion to such an extent as to place mein a sites. Hon so enviable, I trust I shall on all °cattiest. be aetentive to your best interests, and likewise win, fain my own honour and independence. i Bravo!. bravo ! Iloublon for ever !1--Firtqjitaspietri l 7 lei pitschosaet td 'the be's( 'of Kiwis, whose 'irchiSowloxlged virtues have secured hies the love and admiration of his people, through i log Intl arduous reign, and steadily attached to the British. Constitution, I am proud to avow myself at all times desirous of supporting its - oilc and teli. , glees establishments: [Braved lr f u ro o—Ltuikt the kind auspices of the Iwo . ilosourahle Gentle. ' men who have done me the. favour to recut:mead Arno to your notice; I now otfer . myself to the choirs , of the Freeholders of Essex. [Bravo! llombloo for ever !] Tht• Sheriff hiving put the question, whether it was the desire elf the Freeholders to propose sty Oboe Candidate fur their representation ? . • ---...- . Mr. , PETER , DUCA NE came forward, led ' shortly addressing the Freeholders, said, Urns acme's, I have the honour of proposieg fur , jour choice, Mr. Montagu Burgoyne, as an in! „P deptartlent . matt, to represent you in Parliament. , i . (4lixed exprgraiutip fir applause. 'and disapprobs• ' seen.) t i‘ moo Lapse of time, - 1 %;; ‘ . 1 : A I t. K. ALLEY ' addressed-the Freeholders, an‘ said, Geotletneet in otreiiiig myself to your costyderation, for the purpose of seconding th e t r ot h na ti on of my woe:: : thy friend, I shall inki e r ) a ve r y ; b o rt Pereli °l L a ' yqur time. When. I had . the honour of proeo7v ing him oq g former oceatilye .tp be if Canslido for your representation its Parliament, I did w from a coufidence in hie' Wettish avid a ITO conviction of the lidepeudenol,his pryvcipta , ~. - . - 1 i , . .A i lk I .. I. i '.. . . \ , , \ r i • i 1 1 lit i i 1, i . i . 1 I i / i ..' .. °1 , 1 ! i i i I , 1 . i , l 4 ' • ‘ / 1 ' i 1 7 l'i i • ' i • 1 1 1 • I r . . 11 it. 1 . 1 J 1 .: ~ . ir 1. 1. I