The Statesman. — London, England, 1818-06-02 00:00:00

• sob, sad other plem i lwilf;t l l,ged#4 l .o l 4, l l two on wen to perpetrate Igo sorder: mind . _ 4 each Fauidikid Goielpwesot ; and he'hed not objected to Its risseiteel we the subject was last ender coed. rfirefrusiifilleiiiille betieved the Act serni4d hove beets allowed to espire at the period to which it was limited • bet he weld mot, without pelts, see Itiabla . jesty'sitialaters again telllagetsi their Lordships to t pass a Bill of this kind. —itiras deeseuding the m l °' i tleeetees of a systiet Of Sibling', endioirity, foe which ..no mare. elisied, nail which they sight not to be r_,ts 4l .,_ "111 to Peas e& lie should therefore give Ms, we alt this awls,* . . Manske ofSUE RI. bad oppoilla the firmer Bill: we side guided, end lie ceeseleatioesly felt It tote hie doff as esispoee the presort meaeure. Bet, .thetsgbiles: bedew felt the strongest objecthos to the printlpie elletellestire, occerreaces iMek had Ow Plan is the cellfell melba last year, mad which proved the napes.., per_ipanage in whish'lse pour Owe to MishOpiti led lasi eseceted,weeld heti been solidest to bees Wood hies to oppose It. Kkh the caw of an Jodi- Wild Widest *booth' Alien Act bed been adored his same bed beets cietseeted, bet he alocerely di. *plod alt the iesimeadoes that had beets made on that 41%104, earth* wood sow state the facts which bad to hie knowledge 4. their Lordships. As Old , ~ .. 1 100. 11 0 1 d a cieniissies le tbs. British service, 'Mid I. Portugal for a pretended cowl. a le . tee?.= , - fa eseargeenCe of that trial, his erase was. Nit of the Army List by his Majesty's Go. Insiiinv. Bet this was not ill : hiving escaped, ho arrived at one of the oet.ports in a ship from Lis. boa • epee which, the Goveroweit i m mediately or. Bored the **peaces of his passage to be paid, and sent bins on board of another vessel to be conveyed 's.' oft he coentry. As to the trial, he irmly Whined that this Gentleman was perfectly innocent of the charges brought against him; bet for his pert be bad nu comessnicatiou with him at the period of that trial, nor for fire or silt years preceding it, when he kat, hies hs the family of ao Illusttioas Friend. For hie.. self, hefelt that be stood clear of all imputation or the subject ; but if they knew what the nature of a state Iris! in Portugal was, be apprehended that their Lordships would not regard the circumstance of this Officer having been condemned as a point of much', tonsideratioe. The Portegoese practice was. that irismediately 'open. a conviction in favour of the Crewe' "the Jedleleas promoted. Whit might be the goilt or isslloolll, of this individual, it was not fur their Lordships . I. determine% but there appeared no reason why he should have been deprived of the protection of the laws of this country. It was right o'4 a jealousy of the power of hlinisters should vast, and he, for one, could not help . strongly enter taining that jealousy, when he found them guilty of each acts, and the more especially when he heard it asserted that this measure was necessary for the trait qulllity of other countries. It was proper to pass laws for the tranquillity of England; bet to invest Ministers with arbitrary power, on the pretence of maintaining the tranquillity, of other tountriel, was what he would al waysprotest against. He also par ticuiarly objected to the language of the preamble o f the Bill, which, contrary to fact, appeared to ground the watediency of the measure on a circumstance whirls' ad taken place since this last Act was passed. 'Lord illfALAND.—Frequently as this unjust find linpOlide Bill bad been before their Lordships, it was yet surprising that they and the country could be satisfied with the continuants, of such a measure npOn the mistaken principles on which it was sup ported. The arguments urged in favour of it were, that few persons bad been seat out of the country under its provisions, and that those were persons of a notoriously bad character. The brit argument did not apply to the principle of the Bill, and the other Was not tree in fact. The Noble Lord had asked, whether this.cesotry l thould be made a receptacle for persons of bad character, while other Governments prohibited all sespeeted foreigners froth entering their dominions? This ergnasent, however, sup posed, that the decisloe of every foreign Government was ',ended .ea correct principles, and thus every individual "tweeted by them was precluded from seeking safety its this country. Did the Noble Lord imagine that Louis XI V. and Philip 11. or any other despotic Sovereign, weeld hove foondaey dif firstly is declaring say ledividoal displeesieg to them unworthy of. being admitted into ether coati. tries; and would th e yowler these Sevenig os be re ceived by soy person as decisive of so iodividears character ? It was impossible. that inch a Bill as this, even it it ease .not , carried . lola oPetatioe, could mast without. being abased. When the Noble Lord said, that there was so denial of refuge, so refusal of protection to foreigners Ageism from per secution, did ha forget that by this Bill there skis a total refusal to them of all law, and that, by eapiniog individuals to the chance of behodriveu from the country, they were throws soder. Ike dii. credos of a single sum? This,sosaiesy pusses the clestescy of Titus, and *rev, good geg i its that ever adorned the heart ; bat be..erset,lvavisies"ends wk' doe.. se little, awl , bilk,_ mewl • from .reeeksesses necessarily inddwelt, ea humanity* te.hwanebled to preveut the 'bees it his antkoriey«. Bs„was likely lits be deceived, sod he 'sight lend hispolf ; unwit tingly to print, seisrapresentattons, .end..lollict an - Injury upon innocent poses& elasiettudele fres in- Receded ledlvldealeenig* awe .has t . destroy the peepeet .of, a lee's whole. OIL,: • 441 AMS, bllliVfol d Petistnit Ames .wbick irlme.to"esitifposoibility of having e,power.abasedriaiNeitttly, withoat - Will the knew*** the Ilioleter.4, i Tim toil •, s Da gaffe bad espended ne the Cosa**. is Peeeiderable sew of Money ins the. purchased Inuelte, which be hall brought to London for, the.pswiteen of Seiliwg,,v- In the collection there happened se be souls copies -of .a work sot pleasing to eertelw *wares sod some pens*, known .to • km. the 01e4.* the Weider, having ope day entered his shoisi o ,and seeing the books, add, 66 .1rint Iseve . a grog sesiny copies of this work-.—yoe mill,. of sieuply take care flow you sell them. This slight ebservatiee AU sufficient to indigo Mr. tie 8011f . ILtt bet*. , the ; l ooks to the Coutiseet,. andissteiltli . . ;NI M. . of his 'recitation. There woo "Iso . lambi , mei that equally evinced the peer . of shoeing arbitrary power, even without any taut of thi persons ppet JI• ti I “P l ie .e . l • M il a quiiid as w a s n o w imposed upon the Ministers.— ,e, - Was It ever tbitigleinsidisery to have receives to and the mode lawlikk thetemsey - fees toserp s „, ,ed, such e policy, ivied filliete the - safety of this country and as applieetiee being made to the A.iOMi Go. was threstened by all - the mothinations of the Jin veramitst M the Nithernoth3 se simony was set on suits, of *We the Whale fabric of society w es t ern. s toot, and every cireemstasieo was found to correspond gered by the society of Anabaptists 'tasting in Ger• accurately with dm fellow's leformation. Tbe two many, 'bet havittibeii iteaneeitins . in able toblitry ? tenfortermte men were seised arid ,ihroon into dun. yet then and person cam( down to ' P 801.6084 #ll 'pont, where they laiignialfed for fiveyeari,until peace said, the existence of such societies required the. es. was restored,. and then it was discovered that they sentient of a meanness was now offered. •NiPst were perfectly inseam of aeurevil iodation, sad =teethe dated! ads,* frets the adherenti of theta . bed bees at the time of their idled on their way to nisbedSteartilt sad yet then no security iris thoileilf England, for the purpose of deiwindlets.mment of a of, beyond what woe to be obtained by the tedium, debt from the very rasa who lied allaittlie. Pitt this laws of the country. Ousters& ' , venni; his Notild information. The Noble Led thee \ &Boded to the Prised (Lord Holland) alluded Co the hieh estimi. case of M. Las Cases, who ba d been seat from .tioa enjoyed by the Republic of Heliend. pried- St. Helves to the Gips of Good, sod having pally from the refer it afforded to till feeeiefiets, tied thence arrived in the river Thames, be was im. bad recited the opinion of Sir Wm. Trmple rasped. mediately shipped off to the Continent. Pima. its tbe . treetnient esperienced Wete by refogies from bly the Government might have had very good Franceits the thee of &fry IV. It could riot be leformatioe, !diciest to induce there to send off supposed thetibiegrest.Stitesmin, Sir Willreet. the Count Las Cases, but this Alien Act gave them pie, with his Eaglish piedilectiens, .coold have felt so right to Kiss his papers. This was an act not any particular affection for Holland r or fat the only highly illegal, bit cruel in the eztreme..— enemies of Henry IV. His opinion was influenced The seizure of a literary's man's papers, and their solely by his remarks upon the happy effects Oki. detention for several months—that individual being dead to the Repeblic by the safe asylum it offered then in distress—might have ruined the hopes of his to all foreigners in distress. The Noble Lords op. life. He might have treated with a bookseller for posit* bad urged that thu power was necessary-for the productions of his industry, and might have been maintaining the foreign relations of this country ; b. disappointed in his speculatieus. Such, however, it should not be forgosten that in all past times fo. was the necessary result of arbitrary power, and the feigners had been admitted from every part of tie abuse of it most low almost from its existence. The world, and yet the peace and good underitanding of Noble Lord bad said, that the power of sending the catimry with ether Powers were never endanger. Aliens oat of the coentry must exist somewhere. . A ed. This country bad once enjoyed the proud ells. power most atilt somewhere of doing every thing— unction of being the only asylum for persons timing a power must be lodged in a Government of banging from persecution. The United States of America people; bat it wags question whether that power shoeld now enjoyed that distinction • and much Is hi dd. be granted to the Emotive to exercise without con- mired and esteem ed t h e United Stated, and confident trool. The Noble Lord had said what be Afield do as he felt that their prosperity was essential for main: in the Committee, and that he would propose the taming that of Greet Britain—[Hear !]—be should, suspension of a law of Scotland, which bad been however, envy them 'the enjoyment of this ;wend enacted. before the Union, and bad been subsequently distinction, and the monopoly of the advantages to be sandioned by Acts of the United Legislature; so deduced from it. With respect to the clause intend. that the Noble Lord in suspending that Act by a retro. ed to be proposed by the Noble Lord, if it were to spectirs measure, would attack the private property operate prospectively, be did not believe be should of individuals consecrated by an Act of the Legisla. make any opposition to it, but he never could cou ture. The Noble Gerd bad said, that to the Alien seat to deprive any individual of the property he had Act the safety of his country was to be ptincipally consigned on the faith of a solemn act of the Le. attributed ; but did the Noble Lord mean to confess gislature. the inadequacy of all the exertions of the Cabinet to The Earl of HA RROWBY, in support of the Bill maintain the tranquillity of Europe? Were all the recapitelaled the arguments that bad been already victories purchased by so much blood and treasure, urged in favour of it. The Bill, he considered, was inadequate to secure the stability of the existing sys. calculated to snore the tranquillity of this country, tem of Europe? The Noble Lord then alluded to the by excluding suspected foreigners from seeeking an effect which the possession of arbitrary power was asylum in countries immediately in the vicinity of calculated to produce on the minds of those who en- Greet Britsin, where they might nerds, their ta. joyed it. Could it he supposed that they could lents in disturbing the peace and tranquillity of this come from the nerds* of it as pore Mends to the country. Constitution of the meentry as before it had bees The Hesse then divided, when tbereappeired— intrusted to ahem ? *bet an effect Might it net For the flouvegoing 1,:to a coymittre,34 I Agairat ir, 151 Ala produce upon she mist isto Minister, who, bevies j.rity, 19. . found himself enabled tts popeyed with vigour and The Moose thee resolved itself into Committee effect "%ain't au Ali's; Wit yet prevented from act. upon the Bill. . ing in a similar way spinet a native subject ! Ile Lord SIDMOUTH then proposed his clause for would naturally say, 66 What a bandy thing is at. preventing Aliens from availing themselves of the Act bitrary power;'' and with inch feelings be would be passed for regulating the Bank of Scotland, and which extremely desirous of enlarging his. authority. In naturalised foreignersin Scotland by making a deposit I short, to grant arbitrary power to any British sob. of money in the bands of the Governors of the Bank ject, even over Aliens, was inconsistent with the se- of Seotiand. airily of the other subject, and w it h the Comilla- The Earl of LAUDERDALE begged to hear this lion of the coostry. As another instance of the Act alluded to, read by the Clerk at their Lordships' abuse of the law, lie alluded to the case of Don table. • Diego Goatee. who, with other Spenisrds, had Lord MELVILLE 'feted, that be O nowk tech Edi an taken refuge in Gibraltar, from the f uri ous violence Act was now enrolled in the Record ffof o. of their own Government,and were delivered op by the burgh, bat could sot then produce it. English Governor. These persons were tried, some The Earl of LAUDERDALE mid, the Roo* were sentenced to death, tad Don Diego Gomez knew nothing further of this Act, bet by its preamble, was condemned to the galleys for twelve years, and which was the only part of the Act of which the the forfeiters of ill Ms property. The British Go. Hesse could be cognizant. veroment, much to its credit, had, lie understood, Earl GREY said, it, would be too much to permit remonstrated with vigour against the sentence, and this Act, by one sweeping clause, to repeal all the Don Diego Gomez came into this country, where, ptivilegts which Aliens had acquired by all pretedest he lamented to say, he had not received the attn. Statutes for centuries past. lion which be well merited. It bad been Add dis. In reply to a qoeition from the Vail ef Liebe'. covered, that the Governor of Gibraltar bad given DALE, whether the Noble Lord (Melville), who, him up on the belief that ibis Man had beau the be understood, was the Governor of the Bank of author of some of the most violent papers circulated Scotland . , stood there to give information to their in Spain Vilest the British interests. This impres. Lordships as Governor of the Scottish Bank, or as a Moo, however, was incorrect, and bad originated in Peer of Parliament ?, a mistake of names. The Noble Lord then adverted Lord MELVILLE replied, that be offered the in to the oligarchy which the union of the allied Sore. formation alluded to as a Peer of Parliament, al reigns of Europe had created, in place of- the nal- thoigh be might be considered as a party to the in versal monarchy, against which they had been so dwells of the rank of Scotland, from. his being a Go long contending; and concluded by observing, that ',root of the Bank. the present Bill was wholly unnecessary, cruel to Lord HOLLAND reprobated the inconsistency individuals, and dangerous to the Constitution.-- of the Noble Lotd, in acting as an informer on this (Hear, hear!) occasion, to the obvious prejudice of those whose in. The Earl of WESTMORLAND, after stating as 'rests, both as a Piet of Parliamentead Governer one of the objects of the Bill, - the wish it, save the of the Bank of Scotland, be was more portfrolarly reit of Europa from convulsions, proceeded to sheer called upon • 0 advocate end protect. But he had that no abuses bad bees contained in the exude* of unfortunately [seen biOlldered between the variety the powers it created. He thought it perfectly coo- of duties be had to perform to his country, and those fitimable with the 30th chapter of Magna Charts.— he mint officially Nall folderols his colliaigies 'in It wesinspossible to maintain the relations of . peace office. hence he was di'sioveied actually acting in and war, without an Act like the present, in the the capacity of the informer to hit colleagues, as to existing situation of Europe. Then the question the propriety of altering the old-established - western came, was there any reason for oppesieg it from the and Statitie.law of Scotland, merely to give a more ' abuse if the powers granted ender tinder Acts? general effed•to the Act now before the Committee. Went the powers granted by former Alien As*s sip The Earl of :LIVERPOOL stated his extreme used ? No : duriwg.the last two years, only feet per. surprise at 'finding any objection to. a clause which seas write seat oil of the country wader the; powers only provided 'that Allies sliould . eitt &Male nate cooferred upon Ministers. This surely wis a . proof ralisation, without applying for each a been to Par. that foreigners were not harshly treeted,ondan arge. !lament, by addlieg theriiielvis of a deiree . which tie meettigainstatidabgersapprebeuditlftemthe passing kite, certain Aliens bad had reatinise . to, relative to of the premed Bill. • . . , the Mall of nateraillatiee. by Intrebaldwg shares in • The Mantels of LANSDOWNE cooled, that the Beek of Scottie& Tiles, objection!: mere pat. the ciliated! it seeks power mast o . n .tsity lead titularly lost their force, tense it was lot Weeded to the abase of it. He observed, that d. the expedi. to give to the's,. a retreepeetive offed, Incept for . elocy which wits alleged to reader this measure • eit. $ eery few days ladied..eraotiered With thatilia Pre. eesseei, did set d'peed upon any secure or peersl scribed by former similar Ads. • . p e t s selptes r but dwindle have reference solely to the Earl GRE Y was the more surprised at tie objec idrectere of A few indisigleale wise . could not be Hoe of the Noble Fail to titheit Aliens testi' thepri ' seaweed citable ef *Acting the safety of this vileges of British subjects, tepee constitetienal looistry. The Noble art opposite bad cited a pas. grounds, Whin the Ilona. 'knit rieolfect that there up his Magee Chora, Whereil Alien Merchantici had been tire Statutes passed for granting Aliens the VON declass/ atleaseible to the country, sushi pal, , privileges of naturalization within the lest century— aco prohibili. He had hoped the Noble Lord would I I first to sailors serving two years in the British navy have added_Sit Edward Coke's isterpretation cif this and secondly, to foreign settlers residing seven years stated that a device bad been _ • these shares in the Scotch 'Beek, bat ott — pitery. been exhibited to the Horse of such an artifice tiag been resorted to. A woes objection to the was to be foetid in its retrospective cbtrecteil which perukes who bad embarked io eperel to Bank shares, or even by purchases of Is lbw postal Wows theiplowdog of 1110 Let 4 to which it retrospectively refined, were gh tie 411 . rendered . incapable of .possossiagasels sharea r iaarta r 9r estates, and the propeetrieedendlialgogospot astloo.—Keer,. deice .!) . . The clause was then read and SOW to. Tin EU! if LAUDERDALE preposea as as ameedaalatv . that the essential .of the . 2141 should be Barked to are sear,: whisk seal eigatield witiltest d division. . 1., • •• The Earl of CARNARPON'peOOOI4II Ittetadildl '. 1 tient, excepting from the operations'..rif We' 1 44 inch alien persons' ii had been dOtakiiiated,•• during five years previous to the p 40 osing of 414, . I —This amendment was also. egatived. ' ' •_ Tt• LORD OH ANCELLOWthen moved a sim s i sk for rendering-liable to the prinitif m eisi of this A Aliens as bad purchased shares in the:Senh . OT i. laid since the 2lit'h Of April , 18V& This claimc si tentiderect tire pettier Waded to nodded to in coils'. mien justice. The 4ffth day of April being that de r On ihkh petits bad been On. le %Amami of gw inteutiost of the Administratios to !anode, th e 1t'. ..."; sent Bill', thin affecting their denisation. . After a few words frees Lori Eltoesesta, tea, Earl of Lim DUMAS.% Lord MUMMA% and the Lai • of ROsilLYx-- , The Marquis- of LANSDOWNE moved as se amendment, that the words "Stith of April" in omitted, sod the words " from and aftet the palsied of the Bill" birsubstitnted. Their Lordships then Preeeeded ti a division. obeli there appeared for the ameatlmeet of the Nobit) Marquis—, dyess 4el Noes, 40 I,llll4arite option Mellowed:fleet. 20 - The clams of the Lord Chancellor was then carried. 1 Oa our re.admission, we foetid Lord GAGE moving a clause, enacting that a month's notice . should be gieea to every Alien, in order to afford en opportunity for enquiring into his chancier, befGre be was sent out of the country--and also presidia, that the Alien should be sent to such port as be him self pleased to nominate—and; if a ship MA not is readiness to proceed to each pert, that he sheeld rep: main in custody entil a resod was provided. Oa Ole clause the Committee divided— Contents 23 1 Non-Cocteau 42 I Majority again* the'Clavac el. On teeding the title of the Bill—. The Earl of LAUDERDALE opposed it, as not being of a solfiCietitly comprehensive nature —and, after a few obserratleaefrom Lord Sidmouth, Lord Holland, and the Earl of Liverpool, a verbal alters. tion, moved by Lord Sidasouth, was agreed to. The Earl of LAUDERDALE hoped the Bill amid be printed. • Viscount SIDMOUTH said, that when the Haste had resumed, he would give notice, that certain standing orders of the House be suspended ro.mer: row, in order that the Report might be receired ori that day, and the Bill reed the third time. His Lordship afterwards gave notice accordingly. Lord MALAN:II espressed himself strongly against relit proceeding, • tshich woo most encOnstits. Douai. In the course or a few hoer. , 'the Noble Lords oppeete would, by this course, establish a menet*, - which evidently interfered with chi Orate property of individuils. The earl of LIVERPOOL denied that the BO .. interfered with the property of any person. W 4 respect to the suspending of . the standing ordeli, their Lordships must be aware that that was not a circumstance of rare occurrence . . When Noble Lords inveighed against the baste of this proceeding, they should recollect that the measure had been sal oil. ly retarded in order to accommodate same of them. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE saW, that no case e'er occurred in which it was more necessary to ad. here to theetanding orders, than the preseht. The tart of LAUDERDALE streneously argued. tint this Bill evidently interfered with the fended property of individosis—and,' in such a case, the* tlitanding. Orders, which were Intended to further the ends of substantial justice, ought not to be dispensed with. By this precipitancy the People of Snaked would be prevented from stating, by Petition, tittle sentiments with respect to title Bill. Viscount SIDMOUTH conceived. that as every , Pert of the Bill bid been filly discussed by their Lordships, no necessity existed for farther delry. The Earl of ROSSLYN espressed himself hostile to the suspension of the Standing Orders. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE enquired, wile• they any authentic account existed of the number el foreiguers who had purchased Stock in -the Bank Scotland? Viscount MELVILLE said, be was perfectl aware that foreigners hid purehesed-elude of thede• acription alluded to, but be bad no authentic tiOta ment relative to it. The Margate of LANSDOWNE then inevid, " for an account of all stock purcha s ed by fonieneit, in the Bank of Scotland, since the `3Bth of April."* ''' After a few words from Viscount ME LVILLE, the Motion Iles agreed to. . VisCeent Sidmouth's notice for the ceitsideratioi of the propriety of suspending the Stairdiog Welt to-morrow, was not withdrawn. EDUCATION OF TDB POOR. BILL. The Earl of ROSSLYN rose,• and stated tlietke felt it to be his duty to propose,, that the R epo r t o this Bill be farther considered, in order to set t certain alterations, which, be condeked, were Omen sari to the just operation Of the raelsore. , ... The Report was accordiegly re-coosidered,aad the Noble Earl propOted his amendenints, shish, wish come modifications,• were agreed to. ' The LORD CHANCELLOResid, in his *pia's* rite Bill was very Misch improved since It had comp from the Commons, although sours penes", witheit duly considering the 'object, appeared to think other. wiie. No Peer, be was aware, pirticalarly an iildio Oitlolll situated as .he was, hat a right to . 01411 n -what passed elsewhere, ipecially 'as it was to dif. Scott to come at a correct *canna of procenio logs oat of doors. Something hid, however, occurred on this subject, in another plate. I''' which he %sighed to say a few words. Iflo could a, ii M I v , , , is Wila Is took piere. He am ' couclided by s " ' L ' . . w . t , Alto . ‘ iry - that the Bill be now committed. . ....% stoted by t . w ow. ash, •ig i • - 1411 .„..: ~t 41tiieparlohibttioig riz:F...: . glilli •. 1101 I , i I '. le -. ' I FITZWILtIAM opposed the motion. lie feld. .'- .i• ... ,• . * a .. . 11 7. , ' . i O I S I • act iir i t tar I rt..... - .. ' ' h ‘ ' 4161 e rem to .4 bael On* his asseeeto this measa4 when it vyas ea- Iredech t . • eke '* - e '*' le lifes; ,. a. I. .1 Ifeeies A° 7 lab It w a tt ° 1. ha ," ghoul, prepoord, beaus there then appeared to be ITITIIdiO 4 . of his letalligeece. informed .him el • ! the . Acts . ef_ the besatirs__l.the...,Coaet Net !11 te . attp , ..ii e w Bill a reesosabito ground for giving each a power to the teliiiiiiii iiiiiorief benliftllblifitivitily --. illebilVia r f• tb* ~ . . 2-I--.6J a.. ..ti_ wed other nisess.iwiset platiedAt OW . 1 11( 01.11Peert Oen lit beth a power woo newer re- h y _• -.:, . _- e_—_--.11 ........ *Lai Miniiiolll...... 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