The Statesman. — London, England, 1822-06-25 00:00:00

snort yeas afterwards • oseestre was introdsted tote parliament, and not *prod by these very meth Of by s oy one of the Spiritus Pees, he stbnittlig Catholics i s le the army and wavy. This Weight him to a Perlis sentiment extraorstitsary is its conduct than say he had Et ter heard tit, and which, more thus all mimes, would be noticed lry pnateriry. He meeet the Parliament which sat doing the progress of the Watcher e nEepootehse, aid tag Inutry into it. It was unnecessary to eh mere than to state the leading acts of that Parliament. It plunged ac into a wet with Amerira ; opposed the Priest Regent is all his elaims while the King war ill, and while his re covery was 'minted, end voted Ishii him when the King's recovery vi al &rehired benapirss. That these real questions were not carried by loge majorities, vr..s . confirmation of his mil.. tor they remitred nice calms pstion,ineluding. ot course, the worshippieg of the' rising San. The majorities. therefore, cloth' pot be ex . peeled to be la-ce. The Cupetilsageo Expedition. and the Conve • of (*intro hail been approved by the sus Parliamesit. The Parliament, by a vote of had celled for an efficient Ministry. and vet in three weeks afterwards au; ported the thee Ministry by a ma jority of nearly one hundred. Bad as bad been many of the votes of that house, be thought none could equal Vise which voted approhasion to OM Miaisters who had squandered the treasure and blood of the country in so shameless a manner. 'The retrospect of such conduct, l ie was a ware, must be any thing bat agreeable, and he shinnld therefore hasten to later examples. He would call the attention of thebvese to ties newton last Session sarie by his Hon. Friend (Mr. Western) for the repeal stance Ash Tax. Ile carried his motion in the first in stance. The people began to indulge—but the Noble m a ws., a ho understoiol the niachltievy se well, hail tote them ss not to halloo till they werestat of the wood." He might safely tell thiets this. fur Ise was above is pat his whip in notion. lie threatened to resign : it was a threat which never failed, amt on the next discussion of the question his minority of 16 or 20 was changed to • majority of 40. In the year 1020 he (Mr. Brougham) himself had carried a motion respectiog the agricultural interest, but something happened the next morning (chat it could be be knew not) which induced so dif fereot an opinion among the members of the house, that he saw many elsewhere who had voted with bite on that question the preceding night vote against him. He could name the ioilivlenels. if called upon to do so. A similar circumstance had occurred the other night, when • ino• tion wi s introduced by a Right Hon. Member to permit the grinding ".f foreign corm The Noble Marquess did not oppose its introduction ; but be afterwards changed his ontol, and brought the strength of Gooirement to bear ageism' it. The King, in fact, by appointing a Minister, gave hits the support of a majority in Parlia ment. There were so many •favours to be distribated among friends and local adherents, that they operated as a disqoalification to the conscientious discharge of Parliamentary duty; a disqualification as estop:So as that which was created by any legislative provision. Upen these grounds he bad thought it his duty to bring forward the resolution he was about to propose, declaring the evil, and pledging the house to follow up its declaration for removing it. He should be told per haps, that popular opinion had sometimes found its way into those wails. bat these exceptions were a deplorable illeetration of his rule. Nu one desist that is the coarse of time the v..ice of the people had penetrated into the walls of Parliament. He bad no fears so lung as we pos sessed a free press, an uncorrupted beech, and en inde pendent bar, however treacherous might be the conduct of that hoes*. however treacherous to the Ministers and false to the people, that discussios alone would give a portion of liberty, and place a limit to arbitrary yower. It give, indeed, as much as could be hail. without an in dependent Parliament. But the times did not suffi cieetly coincide. The mischief west on for years, and Pseihnoinit'ilembered on ha pet. confiding in the Mi nisters of the Crown. They waked mild the stormed pool became troubled, and then truly they said that the groats of the people were sufficient to produce the effect which would be produced ie the first instance by a Re formed Parliament. The Slave Trade was a memorable example of this. The voice of the people had long bees raised against that infamous traffic, but the abolition coelsknever be carried until Ministers made it what was smiled &Cabinet question. How was this to be account- II for but by the induenceof the Minister? There was a material difference between firm independence and that desitary sort of independence which shelved itself say when the Minister ceased to apply the lash. The people, however, were now taking a steady anti decided view of the evils which oppressed them, and which were to be temedid only by a reduction in the number of plass sod establishments, and that parliamentary re form, which would bring the people more in contain with their representatives. He trusted the house would ma I themselves of that opportunity of regaining t'iat confidence from the people which there was too touch o to fear they had long since lost. The Hos. sad Learned Gentleman then concluded by moving a Resolutico, " That the influence now possessed by the Crown is unnecessary to the maintenance of its consti tutional prerogative. destructive of the independence of Parliament, and inconsistent with the well governing of the Realm." The Marquess of LONDONDERRY said he had to bespeak the favourable indulgence of the House, while he as shortly as possible followed the course of argument taken by the lion, and I. d Gent. The proposition ef the Hon. and Learned Member appeared to be found ed in a great measure on a calculation of the public ex penditure; and if be could induce the House to sustain Ms proposition, be intended, it seemed, to advance a measure the nature of which he (the Marquess) could not collect from the speech of the Hon. and Learned Gent. until he had kindly disclosed it at the end. The lion. and Learned Gent. bad declared his intention to propose a Reform of the Parliament. Now, lie had no eljection in the world to the lion. and Learued Gentle- Iran's attempting to reform the Parliament. It had been attempted before in the course of the present Ses sion, and undoubtedly the Hon. and Learned Member had a right if lie pleated, to return to the charge; but he ought nut to do this under cover of diminishing the influence of the Crown. He was happy to assure the House that lie could join issue with the lion, and Lease • Gentleman, as to most of the facts he had advanced 'a support of his arguments. He should not enter into the motive of any individual Member of Parliament; but he denied, in the outset. it was of the corrupt name artributed to it by the • 'on and Learnerl Gentleman.— lie believed that the isiflorner of the Crown gave strength to th e opinion of large bodies. At the smug tone be ad. 'bitted that that influence bad at times been excessive, iv.d that the measure which, as appeared by history. had at various times been brought forward to restrain it, had hem constructed on principes of sound and good legis htion; and h e hoped the same degree of vigilance would continue to he observed tou arils that influence ; and if the Bon. and Learned Gentleman hail m ade out a case of the existence of influence inconsistent with the liberties of Parliament. It nouid he their duty to take immediate r cps to check time growth of it But lie had a right to argue as he bad done, by • ing that the influence ef time Crown was great, and assuming. therefore, that there should be a Refor . in Parliament. That was the red object of his motion; for he had distinctly stated mat it was to a reformed Parliaineut that they were to 100 k f o r a a remenv to all the evils of the last 2.i years.— TI . te Hon. and L earne d G en t. drew a compari su n he .iat the intent of the influence of the Crown in 1750. when the P ar li amen t vo t e d that it was exce ss ive, and a` ter endeavouring to ma ke it near that that im m a nence h increased in apes used since t hat period, cams to a conclusion The narrower birds wes, the intent of the 11**1110! the Crown In Parliament. But taking the exist* revenue in time of war was by no means an pitiable way; and he must here say that he found a spirit of es eggeratien run through the whole of the Honourable Learned Gentleman's statement upon this occasion. All his Agar.e were angmented beyond their fair sad real amount, nerd all his extracts distorted in a m that it would ill become the house to allow itself to come to a coneluelon upon. in a matter pregnant with such deep importance and danger. For Instance. lie stated, the re veller and expenditure for the present year at 28,9014 0 W whereas it was only 18.0110,00. In the same way he tooted the Army at 33,1100 in 1790, wh the influence of the Crown spread over 60,000,independent of the esta blishment at home. But when the Honourable and Learned Gentleman compared the extent of the influence of the Crown at these two periods, would he also compare the state of the country ? Would he compare the popu lation at present with what it was in 17SO ; the difference in point of wealth, and the difference in the state of the public mind after it hail been broken io upon by all the dangerous and fatal doctrines, which from the time of the French Itevolittion, up to the preynt pe riod, had come forth to disturb the peace of the world ? —(Hear.)—ln adverting to the comparative strength of the army and navy, the Hon. and Learned Gentleman stated the adularia 27,000 as being ander tint ledliediew of the Crowe is the half-pay alone, and then asked the* how It was possible to refold this. In the first place he meat say, that he was here. as in most of bin attentions, quite at a loss to conceive where the Hon. and Learned Gentleman got his numbers from. But he asked, was this numerical kind of argument a fair way of treating the question? Ought not rather the basis of the argu ment to be the spirit in which this amount of influence was administered ? The army he was sure was admi nistered upon principles as free from any imputatiou of party favour «sit was possible; and be appealed to many lion. Members on the Opposition Benches whether tbry were not treated, both at the Horse Guards and the Adiniralty.with asmneh candour and liberality as though they always voted with his Majesty's Ministers—(.:beers.) They had already discussed the two services in point of amount, and he challenged any one to make out a case of abuse in the employment of the power they afforded to the Crown. The Hon. and Learned Gentleman next went to the Colonies, and stated the i of offices In that department of influence at 800. Where hr got his materials from, he (Marquessof Londonderry) did not know ; but although he was not prepared to go into detail for the information of tbe House, he would under take to say, that if returns on that subject were laid be fore the house, they would fi nd that he had doubled the number from what it actually was. He supposed he had treated as Offices under the Crown all the offices in the Colonies, and even then to make good his another* he mug hare had recourse to the most menial offices. He had got a statement of how this matter stood iu four of the principal colonies, from whirl, it appeared that se ven-eights of the whole appointments that had been filled imp by native servants, were appointed by the Co lonial boverontent.--(Hear; hear, hear.) —In some there were not more than three or four, and in none meet than seven or eight offices under the appointment of the Crown at all.—(Hear hear.)—lt would have been but fair in the Hon. and Learned Gentleman in consideringi this part of the case, to have given Government credit for what they had done to diminish the influence of the Crown in the colonies. If lie bad acted with ad much candour, he would have bad to inform the House of their 'Widen of numerous patent offices compatible with seats in that House.—(Hear, hear.)—Arreordlng tdt the existing regulations, no offices could be held by per sons who did not go out themselves to the Colonies; and in that particular, the whole influence of the Crown bad b en changed and subverted.—(llear.)—The law which bad wrought this change not only divested the Crown of the power over 29 offices for political purposes, but it absolutely turned out twenty-nine persons from that house. He must next follow the Hon. Gentleman' to the East Indies; and upon that part of the statement* he could merely observe in the absence of details, that when he belonged to that department of the State, It would have been considered a year of extraordinary bar. vest, bad any such amount of patronage as he had stated occurred. The third of what he bad stated would be nearer the truth; and then it was to be considered, that this patronage was granted by the Compauy as matter of grace and favour to the Board of Control, and not to the Government. The Hon. and Learned Gentleman stated, that the charge of collecting the tie of fifty millions was four millions at first; whereas in 1780 it was only one million. Iniirder to place this part of the question in its true light, it was necessary to look at the comparative numbers employed, with the amount col lected. He held in his band an account of this nature, for the Customs of the year, 1797, as compared with that of 1821, and be should have taken his information from 1792, being the more usual year of reference, were it not that the records for that year had been burnt. In the year 1797, it appeared that the number of officers em ployed last year, 1821, was 6,b64 persons. Tins the in crease was - less than 1,000, and the difference in the amount of revenue collected, was between 11.500,000/. for the latter year, and 6.000,0001. for the former. The amount collected, therefore, was double, and the number employed for that purpose had increased only one seventh. An increase of one-third has taken place in the salaries, but that was principally owing to a commutation which had been made for fees, but the influence of the Crown bad in no way been swelled by.that. It was much the same in the Excise. In 1792, the number of Officers was 4,093; for the year 1821 it was 5,003. The salaries in the forme • year were 318,0001., in the latter 039,0001., having doubled in amount from the same cause as he had stated to operate in the Cus toms. The revenue in the two cases were 8,120,000/. and 24.617,001 M., showing the increase in the number of person s employed at less than lOW, with an augmentation in the re venue of 18,000,0901. sterling. He next came to the taxes, which gave a difference of from 3,500,0001. as they were in 1792, and 7,400,0001. as at present. The number of Officers for the former period was two hundred and twenty, and for the latter two hundred and eighty-seven. In the Stamps the difference was from 3,400,0901. to 9,109,0991., and the num ber of persons employed was now exactly the cline as then, viz. 'l4. Thus he was sure it must be of %lons that the whole regulations of the service, so far from being framed to s.t.- courage patronage, chewed that the authors of them were in search of a principle of sound financial administration of the resources of the country. In the Customs there were cer tain regulations as to site observed with regard to all per sons admitted, and their promotion took place according to merit and previous examination. The Hon. and Learned Gentleman said that the Treace' y had extended its grasping arms into every deparlmeat of the State, and lie particular ised the Excise. Now he defied him to mate out this asser tion, and he protested against any such being received by the House. The Board of Excise had as complete controul over their department now as at any former period, and every thing relating to that department showed the reverse of any principle that arrived at patronage. The most cu rious part of the Hen, and Learned Gentleman's case was ,where be attempted to establish the existouce of great Crown I pablin ratio,. In 'Was obliged to have e be - saying 'could one -- liah:ll"l"abolilgersthebhisilitrwlthe:t.h -rw, believed, In point of fact, that so far from the Re. ch'equer processes being increased daring the period be had alluded to, the taxes had been collected throughout a period of great and general distress with less recur rence to legal processes for the last two years. and pvr detilatly this year, than at any other known time. It was impassible for him to go into the instances quoted by the Hon. and Learned Gentleman, which. after all. applied mire to the severity of the law, than to the question before them; hut be mast say, that if be wished to derive any benefit from that part of his argument, built upon a supposed mistaken increase in the number at Exchequer processes, be must thoroughly . revise it. The next point of attack was the influence in Paella. 'went from the numher of the officers of the Crown.— The lion. and Learned tientletnan here stated that the number if placemen in Parliament at present was eighty. Here again he tuned ob , that he must be in possession of more materials for calculation than be (the Marquess of Londonderry) had access to. as Ita found himself quite unable to keep pace with him. He had, however, taken great pains to inform himself on this subject, and the result of his investigation was, that there were not more than 47 or 48 persons in that house rho held offices under the Crown, that could In any sense he said to give the Crown any influence over them. fnAted, he thought the lion. and Learned Hew *lemma motet have drawb largely oft the stores of place men around him, to ke able at all to mike out his num hers. Ile thought that ha niust have included the Hon. Member ftqm Caine, and the Hon. Member for Bath, and also OA Hon. and Member for Peterborough must ! have been t o on the occasion. But upon review ing these troops, if they must he mustered, he thought they did net savour much of that ruinous influence of the Crown which was represented as bearing down all before it. He was ready to admit, that constitutional' jealousy might very properly he entertained towards a number of persons acting togetl.er, who were very likely to be actuated by a letting in favour of the course of politics pursued by each other.—(Cheers.) He had never complained of such a jealousy being felt, but he complained that the Hon. and Learned Gent. should argue, that every thing in the House, except the Officers of the Crown, was d ing of the utmost stretch of confidence. He complained of the assumption, though perhaps the Hon. and Learned Gentleman did not claim that for himself, of exclusive purity in the Hon. Members on the other site of the house. But as the Hon. and Learned Gentleman had made such attacks upon the Parliament, the best way would be to look at the conduct IA Parliament fromthe very period which lie chose as his period for comparison, the year 1780. Looking at that conduct, he asked, whether it bad not been actuated by a principle to restrain the influence of the Crown in every point, which could he construed as capable of corrupt influence, and of placing the influence of the Crown upon a narrower footing even in Parliament itself. 'llse Noble Marquess proceeded to take a review of the different Acts for the abridgment of the influence of the Crown, since the year 1780. He directed the attention of the house to the exertions of Mr. Pitt in making the loans for Government subjects of open competition. In the giving up much powerful means of rewarding his own creatures, the Minister of that day could scarc , ly be supposed to have been actuated by any desire of pa. teenage. That, as well as other instances, furnished proofs of large and signal restrictions of the influence ott i the Crown I:inposed by the Parliament, PO much the ob set of the lien. and Learned Gentleman's revilings. The Hon. ant( Learned Gentleman lad otisrstated tlze late Mr. Rose, in making hint say that Mr. Pitt had re duced four or five hundred officers, and created fifteen hundred. Ile.old no inch thing ; but on the contrary that 480 had been reduced and 200 and odd created. Mr. Pitt,in 1804, abolished 196 offices, amounting to 42,0001. a year, all of which being sinecures of three, four, and five hundred a year, were those of which a Minister de sirous of retaining patronage would beams' loath to part with. Thus the Hon. and Learned Gent. had alleged that the increase of offices was proportionate with the Increase in the ee ; but it was found not to be so. He bad made similar mistakes in the other parts of his statement. But looking at what be bad stated, and at the conduct of Government since the peace, be thought there would be found a sufficient answer to that part of the Hon. and Learned Gentleman's argument which was intended to prove that Parliament was disqualified from the discharge of its functions. He bad not yet shewn to the house in one point of view ail the reductions which had been made in offices since the peace. He bad early in the Session shewn that a saving of 150,000.. had been made in such reductions, in consequence of the Address to the Crown at the end of the last Session.— But exclusive of that, between the closing of the last war and the Address of last year, without any call from the House, Government had made an insestigation into the different departments of the State, the result of which was, that 16990fficers had been reduced, and of fices suppressed, creating a saving of 300,0001.—(Hear, hear, hear.)—exclusive of the 150,000/. before stated.— By t hei Bill Odle Hon. Member for Corfe Castle (Mr. Bankes,) with those already stated, that 2012 persons had been dismissed, malting a saving of 730,0001. ex= elusive of that last year. This .hewed that there bad been no indisposition on the part of his Majesty's Go vernment to push the principle of reduction of the in fluence of the Crown to every commendable extent.— And at this period an inquiry Was going on into every department of public service with a view to reduction, by Commissioners appointed by Parliament. Having therefore shewn that every step had been taken that could consistently be taken, and that the principle was still in progress to diminish the extent of Government patronage, unless it was the intention of the Honour lable and Learned Gentleman to contend that the patron age of die public officers should be taken out of the hands of Government, and vested in some other quarter, he thought lie had no foundation on n Bich to rent his motion. tlutthe Hon. and Learned hlent.had not directed his shafts against Government alone, he had reviled the Parliament, and that Parliament, which had saved, not this country alone, but the world, was now to be degrad ed by coming to such a vote. as he had proposed, to them. If hr had no better means of attacking the conduct of Parliament than by alleging that it one night agreed to a Bill fur the repeal of the Malt Tax, and next night rejected it, he bad better leave it alone. For unless be meant to say, that a full house was to be subordinate and of less importance than a thin one, and that all the apparatus of passing a Bill in that house, the different stages of which were intended to guard against surprise, management, and neglect or ignorance, had better be dipensed with, his argument was good for nothing. The Hon. and Learned Gentleman said it was odd that that Rouse should always support the Minister of the day. If the Ifunourahle and Learned Gentleman would spew them how a Minister was to go on without the support of the house, hr would assist him in return to a solution of the enigma of a House of Commons always supporting the Ministers. It was that Parliament had always op posed itself to those tevolutionary principles which were aimed to sweep all the institutions of the earth be fore them, and cause one universal destruction and dis union of the interests and elements of society. It had saved this country from a foreign enemy, and protected it against an infatuated party at home. 'Throughout the whole of the late eventful feign, in which was Involved 0 11 that mu dear to the liberties of this tummy sod Ulm World. It bed wislueslaed Use steady march. Tim reolieverst had supported the Crows in all It bad desk wed it was met the gleamy forebodings of the Hos: drollness. oar his open spd Wines efforts, that had loam able to arrest its progress le its wise sod magesal mous CO% rum Yet ooteithstaudi mg that it bed coodected them through a time of modaland neezempled peril. the Hon. and Learned Gentitated that It was net gush; Seel to conduct the affairs of tire sallies. It had saved the character of the country, and he would wrier stead by and see it degrade itself by such a vote as that prd posed by the lion. and Learned Gent. He called s pud the House not to emmtenance this covert moths. for Re form. He warned them abet that was the object of it j and that the Hon. and Learned Gist. would sever be contented with the Bill for abolishing the petty eases. he had talked of, nor by the removal of the Members of that House alluded to by him. If they greeted hint that motion, he would loon come to them again sod tell them that he should be unworthy the confidence placed in him by the House, if he did Dot tell them that nothing in conformance with the Resolution for dindeishiug the influence of the Crown could be done, whilst that great nuisance, Parliament itself, continued to exist. He weight call upon them to be true in themselves, and ac complish a Reform in Parliament, the basis of which was laid in his Resolution. It was not the influence of the Crown that he aimed at. lie was indirectly attempting to sap the foundation of Parliament t well knowing that if Parliament could be broogbt to stigmatise its owe character, it would not be long hefore he could achieve its destruction.—(Hear, hear.)—These were the grounds upon which he hoped the Hone* weuld pass to the Order of the Day, mad give no etoteteneetirte the motion of the Hoo. and Learned Gent.—(Cheering.) Mr. BENNET 'said, that the Noble Lord bad con cluded his speech in the same language as his pride. eessors bad been accustomed to do. is sewer to simi lar motions coming from hie side of the House. He loped that he would be treated as they had boa toe the motion in the last Parliament of Mr. Dunning : 'eh. that they would be left in a minority t for be 'felt. aotwithstandieg the speech the Noble Lord bad just delivered, that the indumee of the Crowe was too great for the Interests of the people. The es pence of collecting the Revenue, which in 1792 did not meeed a million, was now more than four times as mach, and the number of persons In civil capacities were no less than 18,000. The Noble Lad had called upon them to chew where the branching arms of the Treasury had extended Into the other depart ments of the State. He answered him by pointing to the Post-otbce, the management of which he knew something about. Siuce 1793 Go less than 939 offi cers had been dismissed the service by the exercise of the prerogative of the Croon. The Honourable Mein+ her complained that the number of Archbishops and Clergy increased the influence of the Crown. The Peers who wade last war were, in g I, persons is that House who had supported the Clovernment, and being created Peers. they also added to the intluenee of the Crown. Mr. Pitt and his party, according to the Hon. Member's argument. bad greatly injured the Country by securing the extensive support of platinum and pensioners. Until that system was abolished no permanent good could be expected. h. r. S. WORTLEY said if the Bill of Indictment pre ferred by the Hon. and Learned Member against the House of Commons bad been true, be might have (non himself disposed to become a reformer, but the Hon. and Learned Gentlentso had rested his account, of the o'- fences of Parliament upon false ground. The Hon. and Learned Member had given reasons for his accusation, which were not trot. He bad taken part in most of the discussions to which the Hon. and Learned Member a'- laded, and he could repeat that the objections rested upon false grounds. Ihe lion. and Learned Gent. pro posed a sew measure to dm -ase the influence of the Crown; and patting the question on the best ground, they thought nothiug could be done without Kamm in Parliament.—(Hear, hear.)—He was ready to meet them on that point, and contend there was no occasion for re form of Parliament.—(Hear, hear.)—He could not see that the Crown derived undue influence from the House of Lords. That branch of the Constitution had always acted with the House of Commons, except in one mem-o table instance, when the Cowmoo' wanted to dictate for the whole country. It had been said the House of Com mons had the nomination of Ministers. That cer tainly would not be a correct view. If Minister. proposed useasares to which the house could not give their assent, and there was no contidence then he admitted the Government must be changed. On the death of Mr. Pitt the Government fell to Mr. Fox, and Par liament would not have done their duty, if they had not tit en It to him. Since Mr. Pitt's administration, Parliament had voted with the popular feelings of the country. The Hon. Gentlemen on the opposite side of the House, had frequent opportunities of trying to get into the Government, but some how or other they were always out-bid upon that question. Se long as they flattered the worst feelings of the people, they would be deserted by the good sense of the country . The Hon. Member opposed the motion. Mr. Secretary PEEL rose amidst a load cry for the ques tion. His object was to-justify his constituents. He under stood that the Hon. and Learned Gentleman bad made some allusion to the distinguished body he had the honour to re present. The Hon. Gentleman, he understood, had cast some odium on that body with respect to the election of a Noble Lord, imputing their conduct to improper motives. If there was a public body free from imputedon it was the University of Oxford. The Hon. and. Learned Gentleman bad found (writ with the University of Oxford, for having elected Lord Grenville to the Mlles of Chancellor. it could not be denied that Lord Grenville had large claims.—(llea r.) —The public principles of Lord Grenville, his attach:nevi to the established religion of the country, his uniform - sition to the French Revolution, mid his character as the most eminent scholars, made it impossible to it thing unfavourable to the University of Oxford. H' was considered Lord Grenville had Lord Eldon for , ponent, all suspicion of partiality on the part of the versity must vanish. Mr. WETHERELL also defended the Univet Oxford. Mr. BROUGHAM, in reply, said, the Right Member for the University of Oxford had ce sliewn a laudable di sire to defend his constiturn the Right Hon. Gentleman was misinformed. li sidered Lord Grenville a proper choice fur the I situ. The Noble Lord had all the dccomplisbuti quality him for the high office to which he was el hut he had said that• had it not been for that Lord's near approach to power, he would not been elected. He considered that election au in of the power of the Crown out of doors. The Hot Learned Gentleman having shortly replied to the topics of debate, the house divided— For the amendment 216 t—For the motion Majority against the motion, I ll The other orders of the day were then postponed, the Mouse adjourned at half-past twelve o cluck. I • Sae& a 4. ne tAISMAI4., that it was rieessive new. His ttsntis t at shaking the idlest* kw tkirtY lingua Old tie the cosepariw it, however, was not eta sus, try taking tho orde► to assist his swimsuit bore. be 'w automat el the mesas is the grill% 604 the comfors t i" reeeerie se the Ruiligmer pneessee. numbers of the army and navy. 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