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P ' ...7 r ~~" .~,~.,_ - Dill, beeause, from particular eireusastancer, it was lot at once adapted to their present views of their own immediate intereate, liken by the inhabitants of suck places in general. He believed there was no town in Flighted where the poor were hitter managed, and the principle of his Dill better on drreined than in Manchester. The feeliesg there was certaialy erase against the donee rreacting the law of removal, bet, taken inn general view, the measure was looked upon in a fa vourable light. The diferea et ofopiaionwhieb bad been advert ed to. 'right be traced to therlifeeener la Hoe appraisals of die Pool Laws in manufacturing nod agricultural count ire. All he could my was, that the evil was great and required a remedy. The Howes might give the preference to any usher—he cads. have am objedisa—but it would be found impressible to do without souse rensedy. Mr. MAXWELL mid, that 'in his part of the roman/ they were driug.4 with pule Irish, who were attracted thi. ItTe by the 'inaissefeetorev, the expels, of maintaining whom entirely entreated Haire resemarees. If the poor laws were to undone aandolicatioss, sad they were prevented from eroding the paupers Mme mtains that ought at tenet same guarantee to be demanded of the manufacturers to support the poor wisdom they should straw together out of their eimensous. profits, and they should sot he allowed to eneember the sue. rounding weightteorlitio.l will, llwir sapaist, when they these: selves weer unable to suppers them. Sir. CALCRA Fr said. that there were two sets of corm. poodeits, as it appeared, apple the *abject. He-had him. wolf a voluminous carrespousleare with premiss le all parts of the country, and the amend was of it - was direct amid zealous opposition to the tun. • Sir R. WILSON thought lino his conduct was justified by • • • every thing which bed been time. ed in objeet inn to it. He coo . si.leresl it to he 64 dirty, knowing the feeliuge of the Howse upso this subject, cad b 4.1 1 ,% e.,usciose of its expeiditiooary power% to du all he could I. awaken public attest:too to It. la croft I. his Hue. sod L-teriseil r,iensre objection's to ins. p. whist,. enerriaems, it vris hi be recollected that the. pear • sure Del represented hi that Hesse—that they could not edteol the political circumstances of the essuertry—thatlhey *night marry with the are on their minds that their in dustry woolsl enable tlwm to ossiatain a family, end isi a few years the affairs of the coup, y might reduce them, with out any &peril sat their parts, to the condition of pan. pace. The jwinen• Rill was peculiarly ohjectionsble, as It went to repeal the laws fur the relief of the poor, while it was I n lease nil the Vagrant Inws in fall force, and subject glare to all the existing punishments of shiftimit /nisi place to plate when no limier able to maintain themselves by labour in their trap-cher parishes. • Sir J. N Ewrour euniplsinetl of the etleut to which the dist-unlit - mut in . vatattpu el' the minuet weight. *hull were in n* way before the Howse, had densely g..ne. If the Writ:bees . - could mot 'violate their proceedings by 'eloper and judg ment Wilhite thellouse, how couirhthey expert to be judged eurreeily oot of it Mr. DAVENPORT lesseatevi that so touch time !old been .emit in she iliseinsion,of one Petition e ssomee r e o w in g a so h. j.et of deep sod extessire• interest, which alight Nut to he tresie4 sir 11 gilt. Mr. HUMS woodered how Hos. Members, declaring the extreme importasee and great wiagoitude as subject, could begs ridge as hour or two fur the dime-aims of it. He mold rosceire sothine more imeressisteut thee the objectioass which bed beat surd to the coodeet of his Hag. and gallant Triad. The Maressis of LONDONDERRY said, that umbort.trilly it most be werful to disraas a riseamire of ouch intro tame,. but the siseforloess most depend is a iceal Suisresirooe ef the oi.purtenity pelt etc,. fur the purpose. elr. GURNEY said. that as to the 'Bilk it hail his entire and it orwirigted alishorresee, end he Honked his gallant sod flu. Edema for rockier the public solemnise is It ; for if it should pass, it woald lo Lis °plosion be as set irf ibe most flagrant indignity. Mr. SCAR LETT mid, that fit/ 'stoke tristiW foree sties. elan of itself at the proper period for discossiog it, without u.,y 'Merle of galtast nod zealous Frisside to oppose it per. diatorely. His Hue. and gantlet Felted heti bass labouring ulster as error with respect to the Rill from which he (Me. Scariest) would sot row coed's:mid Is release hiss, se he oneht tri have made himself better acquainted with the sob• js•et before saying so reach os it. Mr. NONCE gligioght that the subject amid sever he ere trimly or too mach discussed. If his flea. sad Learned, friend, sod throw who supported the Rill were imudows to do justice, let them begin at the riot end. The way to do jos. lice was not to take sway relief from the peon but removes the hoidens which oppressed them. Let the Coro Sill be repealed, and the taxes remitted from the meet pecesearies of life, espleielly that as beer—let the laboorer hove hie wages to speed us ItimerW and family, pad the poor rates would ate • seteral sod geoid death. Mr. P. PALMER said, that before the Bill peaked into a low thee ought to be another passed to relic the weekly "ages df •griesittoral labour. He would shear, erlietsegrer the lime should row, that those wages sever had bees high cootie' to maistais, taking the year round, a labourer, his sire, and three Address, that being about the Numerical pro. portion of the labouring popolatiou. Sir J. S ERR !GAT admitted t h at the wagesof agricultural !Argue bad never bees high istroggle, which eireutssisees he ettriloned to the existence of the Poor Law.. Lithesome looked forward to the libeller of the puor.busse as to as code entailed apes them. The Petition was ordered to be penned. Dr. PHI LLI SIVA F. presented a Petition from the Go. rumors of the Optillealinie Hospital nod the Eye ledneary it•iuet grunting soy eosspeesatuun to the services of Sir W. Adams —Loss! OM tie Sable. Lord W. BENTINCE renewed big satire respectiog the off.oss of Sicily for Thursday seta, 'The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved that she Order of the Day for receiving the Report of the Com. rop e r of Ways and Meal.. be now read. Mr Serjeint ONSLOW moved an amendment for the Or. d-r of the Day fur the accord feedlot of the Usury Laws Amendmeat Bill be sow read. A roaressatios took place thereupon, is whit h the Mar. guts of Loadooderry, Mr. Davenous t, Sir K. Hereto, Mi. G. &genets, Mr. Abereromby, and Mr. J. P. Grout, took part, sod which ended in the Hoe. and Learned Geollesias with drawing his amendment, and substituting use fur the seseod reading of his Bill this day three months. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER trod Mr. DAVENPORT retested the Hun. and Lraraed Member/ thanks fur bus romplomtee. Mr. CA LCRA PT begged leave to add his thasks bleak is it was the express motion be was about to snake. He re commended she Hum. and Leaned Member to do the subs• sluing recut year, if the Rill should meet with the like isapedi onerst• to Stove which it had suffered. Mr. tterjearst ONSLOW assured the Hos. Member that . hr would bring forward the subject next year. The amendment was age. rd to. WAYS ANL) MEANS. - The SPE +Era put the question that the Repo* of the Cointniztee be now brought up. Lord A. HAMILTON took that opportunity of emilptosoing of on Act for regulating the Excise nutirs on beer, which had been passed last Session, which went to annihilate the brewing trade of Scot. land by the 'severe restraints which it imposed. The CUATICELLOR of the EXCHEQUER justified the Act, sod said that al any rate its operstoon could not be finely judged of until it had been in exist ence a whole year. Mr. filAzwaLL and Mr. J. P. ORAwI said a few words each. Mr. bllastatir complained of the Wars and Meaner being proposed before the Howe had got through the rants of the Supplies. The effect of this was to lead the House into grants which ex ceeded Ibe Estimates kid on the tuhle. 'this was the cm* with the Estimates of last year. There were 30,000.000 f. granted on the credit of Ways and Means. which did tint rise up beyond 29,000,0001. iJ' at•ta+l rase•. Si oileit irregularity had crept : , 4* the Soppli.► by themsel►es. The House gi 9,000 OWL coo reined in the E►titniter) out sr) the watual wars, r it rests the serrr3l items istre*lje in the a surplus could be the vote was way for Mere , from being , as they weue agreed to, and cast them up afterwards. He com plained also of the excessive credit which the Chan cellar took for the various parts alit, Budge,. In the 1,500,00 W. of tea duties, as he valued them, it wee ,eeetain that they would not prodn..e much more than 500.000/. The Budget seeretel to be framed ou regime to mislead the thins?, acid they ought Dot to suffer it to be brought furwArd till all the Supplies should be granted. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER thought the. if the Hun. Gentleman looked back, he would Ihnlemo difference like that which he detscribeel be gams the credit taken in the Budget "and the gginol receipts. The House had Hetet Veen able le get through the Supplies before the presentation of the Budget ; still Mw could that be expected in a Stirlen 'where the Supplies were so discussed, that . theresese even now in a state of great beckward tiers. As to the difference in the charge on the..stnintal taxes, it was to be accounted fa r Ar the expenses of the disembodied militia, ,ovhfeh were always hitherto charged on the laud !tax, though the present was by far the more re- Oar course. There must be a surplus allow isel on the Supplies, as there were ninny services 'voted by pasticular Acts of Parliament which were not 'lncluded in the Supplies. The annual taxes had not fallen short, as was assumed by the Hon. Zapber, for there hid been a million taken credit mare silicon them last year than the year before. They were formerly valued at four millions: they had -produced five millions. He lied the greatest tOtifistence in the staiesneut of the resources which sit /he honour to submit titi Friday lust. MAIDERLY explained. Sir JOHN NEWPORT thought that the balances Wight Reiss: demanded from the Irish collectors, ur their securities ought to be called upon. The. Report was then brought tir il O . On the question Shut the Report be rend— Mr. J. P. GRANT took occasion to remark. that the 300,0001. al'uded to by the Chancellor of the Exchequer, was occasioned by the disembodied militia, and is *humid have been so specified in the estimates. They heard abundance of assertion every year of u great !Kelton of the debt being paid off, but they were never able to hear whit the sur plus ills, or whet was the . t of the drlit paid ult. The Chancellor of ti.e Elwin:river lutist arid, that tibia was the only country in Europe which had paid off a part of its debt serer the peace ; hut if they examined the mutter they would find that, Mitred of diminishing, their debt had increased. He ens aware. inde.d, that they bad lain iff a part of the floating d-ht. but if they took their debts and assets at the beginning of the peace, and compared them with the prtisvnt year, they would find the debt b e d incr e a se d. From papeat that hod come into his possession, not indeed regularly laid on the table, it appeared that the annual charge of the Unfunded Deist amounted t• 30.038,8191. in February 1816. The . charge if the Unrecheined Funded Debi in 3m. unary Int, amounted to 29.999.2971.-whieh. taken at ,sh per cent. moulded to 1,4761. ' This wait, in fact, what was paid off the Unfeuded Debt, ,Although . appareutly it was a isofth larger sum. The actual balance of the floating debt which the 'Country owe,. is 46444,840 a so that if we take off sane million that haul been paid 4 the debt. - iusteud of being diminished. bad actually Memorised within the last five years to the amount of 7,135M1f. This was the operation performed since the peace, besides 12,000,0001. which had been intended to be applied to the winding up of the war accounts. If we persevered in this system foil fire years longer, it would require all Ott in genoity, and what was still more, all the authority of the Chancellor of the Exchequer, to prove that the country was on the road to prosperity. With reaped to the Sinking Fund, surely no man could be so blind as to hr unposed upon by that coarse end clumsy expedient of taking from one pocket to put into another; and as sinking funds we have none, and sinking funds we were likely to have none, it were better to rho away with the name, as it could only tend to impose, and that on *cry few individuals. When the country way weighed down with taxes the Government should resort to the strictest economy, instead of which the army, for instance (and he could quote many others). had been Considerably increased , sisice 1792. Where Mr. 04 kept two men, the Right Hon. Gentleman and his colleagues kept three. The CHANcettoa of the EXCHIMUEII said, if thiß were the first time the House had heard that etnlentent made, he should feel it his duty N enter Mlci the question; but at present he should cost tent himself with referring . the Hun. Gentleman and the House to the detailanf the Finance Com• . sitter, and there they would find the expositions. kesintleelien stating charges on er,te side, without income on the other, must Wetly& come to an (imillat conclusion. . . . I: 4 •4llr.'lliaseitt.T said, that in 1841 the :Sinkiog t f endalessuuted to 16,004,441 1.—m0re by threemil "hem:then in 1815, but the Chancellor of the Ex chequer had imposed taxes to that ansouut since that period. The unfunded debt was about 100,0001. Tess thin in 1816, so that if the additional taxes had not been laid ow,. 'we should be pretty much in the sante condition as that peliod. lie had nothing tore to add but to express a hope that every specie, of economy %Utah' be resorted to, and next., year there would be a saving of three or four milliouss The Cleat' then preceeded to reed the . Report. •%Then he cause to th e p er t Whi c h re l ate d to lot terkes-iw Mr. Hums said, Wit there was • deficiency in the lottery last year of 40,0001., so that inking it in that point I.f view alone it was highly °like bonable. But when the Stitt / lite Book renetenned Acts against private gambling, it was scandalous to see the Minister of the Crown _encourage a system of this kind for the paltry assit4; of 100,0011. or 200,000/. The Report was then etwieluclea. The eilsrdcs:i.t.oit of the Excllrsiugit mewed, that the Meuse the, at rising-, adjourn to s i csehy lit t. . . . GRANT TO THE DUKE OF CLAIIENCE. The Martens 4 Lox Dountanc rose to move the Order of the •Day fur the House going into a Com mittee on the t grant to the . Dake.of Clarence. He said this demand arose nut of an arrangement In IBIS, to provide for two illustrious Members of the Rowel Family. the Duke of Clarence and the Duke of Cambridge. Ile then took the liberty of stating . to the House his vitws for a provision for the Royal Family.—[lt was then suggested to the Noble Lord, by some of his friruds behind him, that the House should go into a Committee before he pro ceeded further.] —lle then moved that the Speaker ' do leave the chair. Mr. hloecx said, when the House had rejected the claims of the American loyalists, which were called fur by strict jitaiice, on the ground of the inability of the country to meet the demand, it was hard they should be now culled on for this de mand, which was merely an act of grace and gene rosity ; but, besides this. the change in the cur rency of the country bad rendered this demand pecul arty uogracious, This granthad been made daring the administration of Mr. Fox; since that period a considerabl e _ alteration had been made in the curreiley. and this was an attempt to in crease the value of . that. which, by the very circumstances of the tiwitsyltsd already increased. We now lived in a asesi cessmious age, and were dispoited.ttelook with Vest doinuteneas at the con duct of Princes ;• and when the House considered the very prominent conduct of the Duke of Cl.. rence in the . House of Lords duriug the trial of the Queen, sod coupling that . with the patient appli cation, they might perhaps be induced to form yr-, rommos notions or his conduct, and impute it not to u high sense of his duty, but to prospective to. terested motives. For these reasons lie should op. • pose the,Sprskire leariug the Chair. ;; The question use tbeu put and carried without a division. The Marquis of Lonlion MIRY said, he •should not occupy the time of the Howe in replying to the observations which the 11014 Geutlensan had thought it his duty to mike. The decision of the Ilouse hail carried a stronger refutation than any thing he could my. It wail true that grant had been made dunsug the administration of Mr. Fox ; but that was for their unmarried. not their married state. But at that time he thought the claims of the Doke of Clarence stood on Ipt.tiel OfllitlilliS, mud he proposed • larger grant ; but although the House, and isurticularly a Right lionnuurable Gentleman opposite, were disposed to meet the wishes of the Crown, they thought differently. A vote of 6,000!. a-year wee granted to his Royal Highness the Duke of Clarence ott his enerriege, which he declined accepting, because he could nat. without ember - nosing himself. hold Iris b* statism in society. He the' determined to live ott the coutisietit, wheel tie could bee - with much greater ecinsoiny. if Psovidence had spored the infant Princes", it • lit. (the Marquis%) intentiou to propose a scale of provision different from the present; but is that urifortUnstely : wao trot the ease, it there. fore was his duty . . to state the circnsio. toners under whickitir • its) woo sairde. The expenses of his Royal f 41itiess had considerably sinniti m ithereaved,. and he truly celled on the Mose to put 1 Milt in that situatiou he r ould have bean in Mal ht . ' accepted the grant the tithe it use rode. MA thought it unnecessary to•nsake any sppeol its this generosity of the House. He was sere there Was no man in the country who did nut respect the private and domestic, virtues of his Royal Hight. 'Dees. He tacitly called spots thew to du sit act of justice. end to place his Royal Higlinek on a level with his yotinger brothers, and its the situation he would have held hied the Act passed at the period •it was proposed. The Noble Lord Concluded- by enoringa- • • ' 4 ‘ That Ma Majesty tie esaiderlt is Irmo frees the Conso lidated Food a awns sot eireedl4B 4,0004. a year. to make a suitable provision foe his Rum' Highness the Duke Of Cla ✓ence, eoninierveleg frogs the SO day of April, set.." Mr. Hussy thought the Noble Lord should di vide his Resolution., and take the grant for 6,0001. a year, c iiiiii nencing at present, aid then take the opiniou of time House upon the ammo. The Marquis of Losnoawsaty said, that this would destroy the very - spirit of the giant. • Mr. HOME said, if the Noble Lord took the first grant. he should go stoat With him, but he should oppose the arrears. But be thought that before they made thea pant some explanation should be given with reopen to the property of the late King. Ile was one of those who thought the Royal Fa mily should have a provision suitable to their rank. But the Duke of Clarence had other income be sides the other branches of the Royal Family. and it would only require the cuts of 3,5001. to pot him ou a level with them ; and as that was the object of the Noble Lord. he should have made his demand that ainuunt, and he felt he should not do his daily if he voted for more than that. Her Ma jesty die Queen had, at a former period, declined 13,0001. a year. yet the Noble Lord did not pro pose to pay her M..jesty the armor', 'and it was his (Mr. fume'.) itdentioe,Nrheu her Majesty sent down that ill-advised .Menage, refusing the grant of Parliament, to propose that she should have been paid the arieare, and the Duke of Clarence ell joys at this moment 33,0001. a year, while the daughter of the Duchess of Kent had not one slid. ling voted. 1 7 he children of the Duke of Clarence lied 2,3001. and the legitimate child of soother bro ther wits telt without a shilliug. He thought the cliff dren of the Royal gamily should be supparted by the public, but he could toot endure this partiality. He perfectly agreed with his Hon. Friend (clr. Monek) that no part of the Duke of Clareuce t s conduct fur the lust eighteen months, was chletilsted to in-- crease the reiqtect which time public were generally . disposed to pity to the Royal Family. Ills private coutluct might -have merited time enlogium of the Noble Liwil—(fleers)—but with respect to his public conduct, he repeated the 'turmoil, and he defied any matt to get up end boldly answer, was it creditable for him to sit in life on a ewer relation, almost in a case of • and death. Why n ß ot observe the same delicacy is his Rmal rother the Duke of &tuts T—(Heur, Awl—. end if he were to be put on en equal baiting, why nut preserierytant delicacy ? Ile repeated Wagoner lion again, std if the question of the west, were pressed, he should oppose it lit every stage. The lIIIM granted , to her Majesty had been given Up from generosity, but the grout to the Duke of Clarence ... ' l , -. had been thrown up with.p . efeanee . . tie thought the time was now come when they should have some replauation respecting the property of the late King, and he eas surprised the Noble Lord lied not raid something about it. Ile should state to the House how the case stood. Accoroliiig to the lit of Anne, Sovereigns were prevented from alien , ating any part or their property ; but according to the 99 It and 40th George 111. permission was granted to give away lauds and manors, but on condition that a will should be made. otherwise the property should go to the pieolic. He put it to a Learned Gentleman whom he saw opposite, whether the will of his late Majesty. egreeehly to the Acts of the 39th and 40th ' IGeorge 111. should not be proved as well as that of I any other individual, and he would say that the House was bound to have the will produced, to Pee if the Duke of Clarence derived any thing from it. His Majesty'. Ministers were bound, in justice to the other brunches of the Royal Fount'', to make the will public. The property of his late Majesty was increasing dor - nights illness, and multl be some thilig considerable ; the House ought to consider it as public money, and to be informed of what had become of it. The lion. Member Concluded by moving, that instead of 6,0001. the grout should bi for 3,500/. , o•. ; The Marquis of LONDONDIMRY said, he had hoped and almost persuaded himself that thee vote would have pulsed unanimously, and that t io un kind reflection or contrast between Otte member of the Royal Family mod another would hive been introduced. He thought that arguing the question in that manner, as the Hun. Member had, was not a very wise mode of exercising the undoubted privilege of a Member of that Hon.,. He was surprised that the Hon. Member, with all his re search, had not discovered that the 4,500/. per 11111111 Urn which was charged on the Consolidated Fund, we. granted to the Duke of Clarence very early in life. and in the subsequeut settlement of his income wrs toot taken any notice of, because his Royal Highness loud no professional income.— If compared with that of the Duke of Kent, who had 7,0001. a-year as Governor of Gibraltar, it would be found ;ulterior. notwithstanding that allowance of 2,5001. a-yeur. Hu Lordship do. precated the epiitt of championship wlech . was dis played in taking up the interests of one member of the Royal Family, as committed with the interests of any other member, because such a course seldom tended to advantage the cause of the party whose cause was espoused. Another benevolent observa tion of the Hon.. Member's related to the reduction which her Majesty, , when Princess of Wider, had chosen to 'make of the vote of 50,000/. granted by Parliament to 35,0001; but there was in fact uo Amt.. larity between tile too cases. His Royal Higbaess had from the time of his marriage lived in this coun try, under an expense which tnust have greatly in. creased from the alteration of his situation. -He trusted that he had said enough in unseal to the observations, of The Hon. Member to induce the House to accede to the proposition -befoee them. With respect to the Hon. Member's sign- Aerate respecting what he styled the arrearkhe.diel . think he was us &uvular in his feelings al in ;earipir of his topics. end lie (the Mitrquis of Londonderry). did believe that he would hardly find enothit-Metsi• her of that House who entertained the sami. - : The ' Nom Welber had called upon him for • *eras. ' statement of the property alma late Mojesiy, but he conceived that the House would not think hair the moment, neither would the Retire now expect hiM to go into it. He had uo hesitation in sayini... that there was a will made by his late Majesty. but it had not Mimed out to he an effectual one. sad at a future period he would have to submit a propo sition to the Hasse on the subject, and the House would not hesitate what to do when that should be the case.. He had on a former occasion stated . in the Hattie. that all the Odle tales of immense accumulations of property; amounting to i Million . sterling, belonging to lass late Majesty, were the Puerile or malicious inventions of idle persons. The money property did lint exceed 80,000/. and was subject to many claims which his Majesty's liberteity had admitted. as fulfilling the Mni.. i I/ 4.118 of his lute Royal Father. tveiyuther part of the property (bough the will. if valid, would have given a benefice) interest to his Nfejestj) hind been placed under the proper officer as vest ing in his Majesty. He assured the Muse that the Duke of Clarence did not derive any advantage whatever from his late Majnoty's pro perry. He hoped how that there would be an end of the idle tales circulating in the country, and also of those calumnies cast on the late Queen of these realms, es if the had mode great savings. and remitted them to her family abroad. when, in fact, clue had hardly left sufficient meta to cover her debts, her numerous charities; having fillly ob. sorbed all her income. It was now for (he 'House to make that provision fur his Royal Highness which they had already made for his Royal Brothers. and lie did think that hardly any Englithroata would be found to ga *long with the Honotirable Member iu the observations which he boarmade.. The only qiiestion now before the House wit., whether they were prepared to execute their own purpose or not. A Member, whose name we could not learn, empire/led the Resolution. He felt that the Prsioces of the Blood were frequently placed - in ion awkwa , tl predicament in that House; but rotten he saw those Princes were every thing that was gallant in the field, that they patronised the arts, and presided over the charities of the country, he could not refuse lois weed of admiration to their deserts ; and he appealed to the Member for Aber deen whether Ins Rey', Highness the Duke of Clarence hail not been of most essential service to a ! ,I charily intimately connect e d w ith hi s nat i ve coun t ry . Mr. FIUMIC said, that from what had fallen fron t the Nobl e L o rd an d th e H on . M em b er w h o h a d just sat down, had ally stranger just entered the House he would have Untoward that he (Mr. Home) had been bringing charges egsinst the Duke of Clarets' r, when, in fact: he had expressly guarded Willett' groin any such iufereoce. He was wilting to rune to make up the income of his Royal Highoess 24,0001. a year; but he kite* nothing eh las public character to authorise hint to vote store to I than to his younger brothers. The pr o . leftism,' income, he allowed, was altogether out of 1 the question. He did no t see w h y lois .9loojeaty should not pay this 2,500/. a-year out of the su of 95,01 M. voted iu the Civil List ai allowance for pensions, &e. and concluded with dec lacing In intention to divide the !louse on the amendme n t which he had proposed; and called upon Hot. Members to reduce the grant, and altogether re fuse the arrenrs. Mr. Hushissoo said, that when the grant of MOON. r year was made to Ins Royal Highness he was in possession of the .1,300/. a years., fa 1806, when during Lord °reliedle's AdininistAnin o an addition of 6,0001. • year was made. be then e i ,_ joyed that 2,500/. ■ year, and in ISIS, when the House voted the grunt now in discussion, they were fully aware of !hit circumstance, as also of his Royal Highness's profes.ional advantages. The Hon. Member asked why his Majesty did not grant this 2,50 t/. a year out of the fmtwol. vuted fur pensions o►► the settlement of the Civil List; but lie would appeal to the House if eve►, from the time of Mr. Burke's Act. it was contemplated that the Pe►►sion List should he msdc the means of provide iug fur any of the Royal Family : besides which, by that Act his Maj►sty was restrained front groin. lug any pension exceeding 1,200/. a year. Mr. W. WILLIAMS said, if lie understood the Noble Lord rightly, the pound of the grunt was, that the Duke of Clarence did not enjoy any pro fissional advantages; bet surely the Noble Lord must be aware that the Duke of Sussex had no such income : indeed he (Mr. Williams) believed . he was the only one of the Royal Family who had not received • single farthing above his income out of the taxes paid by the people of England. He allowed that ►t was improper to look to and dis. vim the private characters of the Princes of the Blood; hut if ►uch discussion were ullowable, he would say that he knew none who more merited commendation—none who had better supported the character of an English gentleman than the Duke of Sussex. He thought it right to say thus much in justice to the Duke of Sussex, and to give the Noble Lord an opportuuity of correcting the error he had fallen into. Tile Marquis of Logoosneagir said, he had not said a word about the Duke of sex. our did lie even allude to hie name. Mr. WM. SMITH thought that it would be more fur the advautage of the public and the credit of the House. if the discussion on the private cha racters of those illustrious persona were carried II # further. The Nuble Lord talked of Euglish feel ing, and thought that no one could be found to support the motion of the Honourable Member for Aberdeen; he did not know if there would be a third, but he himself would 'Second it. The arrears, at all events, should enter into their con• sideration, and he should be glad to know on what grounds the grant was originally refused, whether from whim, mprice. or petulance. lu every point of view, be thought the House would do right in granting the 6,000/. a-year now, but he could, sug gest nothing %shy the tureens should also be granted. If the sum were wanted, why was it refused iu the first instance ? and if not, why shoold the arrests be granted ? Wish respect to the real estate of his late Majesty, it might be true that it vested in his Majesty, but why omit not brought under their consideration et' the ti.ge the Civil List was set 'The gratin Ought to have been left open. Supposing that the rail estate amounted to 200,000/. or 30%0001. blear, his resent Majesty might come into that estate's..molest Mr: Husitiman. to save the time of the House, begged to explain to the Hon. Member, that the real estate of his late Majesty, there being au valid become part of the estate of his present Majesty. and was now wader the c.ntrol of the Comeasssiooerslor laud revenue, sod the produce went to the Consolidated Fund. He should be ex tremely glad if it were 200,000/. or 300,0001. a year, because the public burdens would be some what alleviated by it; . bat if it were sold by sue lion, lie did not think it would realise 20.000/. Mr. W. SMITH thanked the Hight Hoo. Gentle man for his informstiois. which was perfectly astir factory to him, aud would be, he had no duubt, to the House. Mr. liatewr supported the amendment ref the Hon. Member for Aberdeen. The Marquis of LottoonDattalt explained. Mr. Tramiel said, as he had borne a part in the discussions in 1818, he thought it right to state the grounds on which lie meant now to vote. He had at that time opposed the Wee of negativing the vote, rso he had thought it was hut just to his Royal Highness that • record should remain on their Jour. nals to spew that nothing had mord iu their minds to his prejudice, and lie was now doing no more than if his Royal Highness had never rejected the grant. On that occasion he confessed he thought his Royal Highness was very ill-advised, but there were always persons at the ear of Princes ready to give such advice. At that time his Royal High ness was not married, and the general opinion was, that the marriage wonld not take place at all ; but the Duke did not conclude it. Certainly it was very honourable bog, to him and the Duchess, because lie believed it was the first marriage of one of the Royal Family where the parties had no pecuniary advantage. From that time he bud hero expecting the present demand, and was only surprised it laid not been made before; and he thought there was hardly any considerable portion of the public who would think the House was doing more than a bare act of justice to his Royal Highness. Hr hud voted for the 6,0004 • year, and he did not think lie could now run away from that vote. Willi respect to arrears, something like an argument might be raised, though. unless they meant. to mulct hi. Royal Highness for his tardiness in taking the money there could be nothing said for it. In print of pecuniary advan tage (interest being g•iined by the delay), that was all on the side of the public. Unfortiniately for him it was many years since lie had had any ac quaintance with his Royal Highness, but he under stood that his conduct as a husband had been exceptionable, and all that the Howse had now to do was so forget some little heat which had place there years ago. Fie would observe in answer to his Ham Friend (lira Williams), that it was the maritage which gave the claim, said that sac this dilGieiiee between Ike Duke of Clarence and the Duke of Sussex. If there were any occasion for it, lie knew uo one who had so proud a claim as his Royal Highness the Duke of Sussex, and uo man would be more ready than himself to vote in support of it. • Mt. FORBEs rose, but spoke in so low a tone of voice, that he was neatly inaudible in the gallery. d' being taken one after the other, there WI end nearitt2eloo,o6o/. granted, leuring or 378,4174 beyond s►rry thing which comprised in the service to which the appropriated.. There was wo . odife• way berg to adopt, to prevent themarlves I mi.led, than to put down the items as