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communications mid been tendered to the rfouse, as to the misapplications alluded to in the motion ; but the satisfactory• st%teinent that hind been, made, tended to strengthen the 4tecebtiity c.f net:unite :in formation upon the sishivet of these 4 1,4n4tAty droits. The CIIANCELLOR of:the EXCIILOCES Ufa: the alteration made upon the moton was purpose of procuring, more speedily, what the HOC. Baronet himself wished, nainc.i), the amount of the think so adjudged as droits to the Crown, which we deeined so iwuscuse, as to render it necessary for. Parliament to interfere and watch their apglication. 'These funds were as legally left to the Crown as other suns arising out of the civil list wereppplied to the private purse of His MAJESTY, and therefore, upon the same ground, it would be as proper to kuow how these last were applied. Ile could inform the Hon. Baronet, that au account similar to that now called for, had al. ready been laid before the House iu taw, nod In' could see no objection to have that again laid before them.. ('the CIIANCr.LLOS of the ExCli °ira was here proceeding to a justification of the Hou. Captain's conduct, when he was called to order by Lord FOLXESTONE, for entering upon a •enbject, which he himself had already complained - cilia Mr. Sitentoats)• The Cntscotton 9 r this Escurial:ea added, 'be only intstat to observe that the rcutission of the forfeiture alluded to. was by no inean3 illegal ; but was what the Treasury were in the habit of doing and therefore it did not Lear ut all upon the -cperstion. Mr. ADAM said, that the case stated by the 110- • reurable Gentleman near him, (Mr. LusnieutoN). - certainty creased great suspicion, and the House of -(7narnons w , u!fl oat be dMag their Butt to the .public, if they did not pursue this iusestigatieu. • althOugh be did not eenceive that that was a sum • arising out of the dr4;ts' of . 4dmkotty. It was a, -owe where that Ilouoilrablc Captain cause. beforei 'a Court of Justlt'e to Obtain a right as a Briiish -Subject—a Aft which a Briftirla subji et was not *entitled to,' fa teXoutit of the illegality of the •tvantartion upon which it was founded. It there fore fell to the Crown ; and he conceived that, as a :forfeiture, it ought not to have been remit:est, and ought to be made the subject of a different inquiry agaivat thi. Hon. Barony:, as to the wisdom or ,prais,ietr of such remission. He should sainuit that. upon the present occaiion, the liouourable Baronet should withllruw his motion, and limit it to the a:nolint of the sums. and afterwards ap ply for a particular statement of their applies tioa, if thought necessary. Upon former occasions great sums hail been remitted by if:. NiAJLISTY to .the &spinal of Parliament under similar circum stances. In the your 1795, in the (114 e of the Ditch captures. atter the captors were sufficiently rewarded, the Haase had to think His Mutter for a gift of above a motion of InauLy, which was applied to the public scteice. lu the same man ner an Addre:s was voted to His Mastirtt. thank ing him upon a sabeequent &ea' ims fur what had been given to*Parliament, ohs of the sums aOsang from the Civil List. Upon these gmunds the House ought first to he made acquaiated with the , lastly, funds, next the warrant of them, and lastly, their particular applitastion. Sir C. PoLe observed, that he never had heard of the dung , 3 , 4lLiast the lion. Cavtaiii till this day, hot he did not conceive it ha 1 ap-iletrospect -to the management of the Ail.. Airs .drone. nor any reference to their leganti•, 'lxe, however, thought it right that sonsethini like the motion that had been praposed, in iMantenhel state; ttioukl -be agreed to by the I louse. I • Sir Pittston' BURDETT :':11d, ?IC StZW DO reason 'for altering the origiusrinotion he had saNtsted: The sense of the Inns.: was than taken:upon -the s.nentirnent, when strAngers were ex.rfadoi: Upon the. division, there appeared— • For the Amoodrocot Aga:ist it 57 M9urity ogailat the origiost g 3 Upon our ft-adinission, we found the CHANCEL !. 31 of the Esclarauan answering a question put is him by :Mr. Posisox*T, as to "ben he PeonosPd to bring forward a Bill upon the Resolution-a of the - Ciontnittee of _Ways and Means, respecting the Orders of Council, as it. was his intention to oppose it in every titer. The CHANCELLOR of the Exenzeaur.s answer -el, twat the Bill alluded to by the Right Hon. Gi.itleinan was in great fo. - warduess, and he hoped to lee aisle to bring it in to-morrow. As it was to the principle of the measure the ltight Hon. Gen tleman meant to object, he intended to have it read brit time to-morrow, to have it printed, and then 'name another day for the second reading, when the Right Hon. (ientleman could have an oppor lanity of stating his obp:ctious. • Mr. Aanacnonav intimated to the House, that is consequence of the indisposition of the SEcRF,. *AMY of STATE, he should defer his Motion re speetnig Portugal, to iNforiday. Mr. EMIN gave notice, that he should move to--morrow for an account of the -amber of neu tral remelt that had come into any port of Great Britain, or cleaml out of the same, iii consequer.ce of the 4rders of Council. • The Curates Repeal Suspension Bill was com mitted, and ordered to be read a third time to morrow. The Report of the Committee of Supply was brought up, the several Itesoltitions read and agreed to, and Bills ordered accordingly. The Report of the Comm . :dee upon the Brazil T.-ade Bill, was wrought up, sod agreed to, and the Bill ordered to be read a thirst time to-morrow. MALT AND PENSION BRAL. The Ilouse next went into a Counnittee upon the Malt and Peusion Bill. Sir .lour Nv.wroar and, he could not conceive why an exemption was mode in this Bill, iii favour of the widows of naval °Misers, and not in favour of land officers. He thought the principle, in regard t•buLli. ought to he the same. Mr. HUSK ISN../N paid, that he understood there was a reason for their not appearing to be upon the same footiag in the Bill, hut that he should eadeavonr to explain it to-morrow. The House ris.inteol, and the repoit was ordered tab? re, eiveil to-tutsfr..ut. i L • The SECIMTARY at WAR presented isertaln "Re turns which had been moved' tr by Mr. W lan amt. *hewing the number of desertions from the T .~ Arm - and the Volunteers, from the British Alilitia, and the Re b ular and Marine forces.—Ord , :red to lie u1 90 )1 the "Cable, and brim printed. LICHtQl:th BILLS' B4GULATION BILL. Mr. llesxislux moved the third resoling of this Bill. Mr. lloitN La observed; that there appeared to be one clause in this Bill, against which there ex isted s ome o rjevtiou ; he mend the clause that entitled twitractoni to i-.eisiption from that Act, which excluded them from seats iu Parliament. This would tend to create an improper degree of influence in Goverinnent, and therefore lo: should pm e urie that it should be.excladed from the Bill. 'Pis proposal p r odaced a titilAitltvatioli of Consi derable length. id whielt it 'WU erititesided -hydiMr. 111:blassurii Mr. Russ. and "the :eit I,ltol . INA of the Exclimau that'the Bill ilriktieirtiOtitlifflPilt 1 vas, in may, .esiential partkulaN winch were airimilly brought in the a Awl/Winn- , puse, which had entitled the not-uff..4.- tura, who, a; a corporate britly, were the contrac tors with Goverinueut for the eirculatitiu of Exche quer Bills, to the exemptions of Mr. JENNINGS . / Act. _ Ou the other hand, it wrei contended by Mr: SHERIDAN, Mr. AD.114, Lord HENRY PETTY, and Sir Joon !Si vii enter, that the Beak were nut likely to be the only continctors ; and, th.rcfore, that the leaving out the clause would be Most advisable, as it could tend to no good purpose, but might lead to a great deal of evil, by other per:tor,A becom ing the coutractors, and haring seats in the Rouse of Cominrras. They thought that Ministers, had they not the intention of creating undue influence, ought certainly, by the exclusion' of such an unne cessary clause, avoid the imputation of it. The CHANCELLOR of the Enenaguen replied, that he had no feeling whatever upon the subject, as thin was the first tune be had heard the matter discussed. lie did uot, however, think it proper to give the 'point, where no evil could he stated ever to have existed from the clauses, to a shadow etfect, in fonner Bills ; nor was he prepared to as siga, any reason why the douse should exist, it' any weli-grouaded oLijeetion could be urged against it. lie helieved that no ineniiveilience would arise from the acliournment of the third readilig4 he Bill till to-morrow, so as to give Gentlemen, - the further time to think upon soliject. This being agreed to, ine other ,meta were t lei' also poitponed, and the tlpitie visijimnied ii dine o'cloi.k. _ _ _ The following it tine List or the Miunrity who vote; with Sir FIANGIS BUICDETT, both fn,• production of the Account of tar (fruit:: of Ad miralty, cid for the apdicaliv3 ASerrminbe, Hun. JEW'S I lAlll° -, lirtl, Grorze Arm, E F. 11-:,tt`itun. Fun. tVm. 3lardnaald,J a ims %Lill...in, John artll., I Minor, Sir Thomas, Bart. Mills, Challis W. ...loose, Peter Newport, It t. Sir J. Bt. Ortir, Win. thistilstnn ' Imre% Petty, Laud P. my Pule, Sir (11.1, Posnionby, Him. Frederic Ponannhy, He. . George Punsoaby, Ht. Hun. Geroge Prittir, Hun. F. A. Pym, Francis arse% Lord Win. Shakespeare, Arthur Sharpe,ltirkaril Shelly, Timothy Sheridan, Ri 1:i lion. It, B. Tierney, Right Hon. George Ward, Nog. J. W Model, W. 1.. Whitbread, Simnel t% midis* Bight l tun. Win. .1 and J. liollineon. Austrutlir r, Hoo. Sir J. Darin& Thomas Anriwg, Aletander Fonverie„ Hon. Ed. Bradshaw, Hon. A. C. Brand, Hen T. Bugg, Graces Cid( rail, Julio Cala-raft, 11ir Granby, Bart. Cavendish, Laird George Cavendish, Willituts Cavendish, G.H. C. Cocks, Hon. E. C. Coothe, H. C. Cretvey, T. Cuthbert, Jones Earatay Eden, Hun. Wm. F. Folkestone, V.sconnt Grattan, 111;ht llos. 11. Greenhill, Robert Harvey, Blab Hibbert, Genr.te Hunter, Francis Hirst, Hubert laglclay, Sir %Van. Lamb, Hon Wan. Lli7da J. R. Sir Fraacts Burdett, HOUSE OF IA: PHDS, FE.. 11. /011nr101i, from tl:c eummi,tsioners of Customs in Ireland, presented certain itcturne.—thdered to he on the tabl►. _ _ Lord H awe r . • 1t nv preseuted the Copies of Mr. J F.FFItIt- SOY'S .11CIMIV i I . urigl 06S; end of the Voininunieetions of the lh dedia:•,dor Itl that country with the English f;uvernment tut th-tt iy:htet —Ordered tube printed.' The Earl of MOIRA nmel, That the lat ialtt the Debtrw end Creditor's be taken-Alto the cordial r+Ort . of the House uu MoLliaY, 2 A of Feheitiet."--Onierad. l A\t6RtCII. Lord (.;Itaattt.hi i'lltittlite4 to the flak ?Ibis 14 1 intention of so:minting a motion to its oonsidera tion, with a view of axed • ' tg the nature of our relationr with the United States of America. He had yesterday intended to have offered it to the attention of their Lordships. but on his arrival at , the home, he found that it had adjourned. This ignorance of the period when pubhe business wasto irommence, ions attended with l'Oltsequences highly injurious to the 'midis: intere,is. He. had now some preliainary observations to make, Which, in his opinion, could nut be too frequently impressed on their consideration, as they went to ascertain the probable ground on which this country stood with the United States of America. What • the connexion between them, as consulting their reci procal intenots, ought to be, he had no doubt.— Nes t to the necessary, laudable. and vital object, of knitting together in one common bond of union every description of Ifis 114A.terrv's subjects, by a participatiou of rights, and an identity of in terests, there was no other consideration more pressing than the preservation of an amicable and friendly intercourse with America, founded on the most tenable and secure basis, a jart add fair re cipocrity of 'advaatages. This was not in ispinion founded upon light and trivial , •gassinds.l it 1 was the result of mown rerection, of opiesioisslfoomed from n prim-tired contietion of • char , wisdosah and expediency. In the year 1794, be bad thei honour of being offivially engated dm otbecling a treaty of amity sod commerce between the two oniostria. On that occasion it was his good fortuae to meet with an individual, on the part of .itnerica, on whose public and private virtues he uad long wished for am opportunity to pronounce a sincere and nietited pa negyric. In Mr. JAY. now retired from public life, he had the ha i mineso of tintiii.g that individual. A man in whose probity be could piste the most perfect coolidentses and whose views of policy wry? in run ',maim* with the suggestions of a cultivated and comprelnateive understanding. .On the late °era. eioa, when thy late to of the Crowa war ea gaged in adjusting the esisting differences between the twp countries,. it was the leading object of His MAJESTY'S Govenime :f to view the question with the most friendly w ishre towardsAmeri mod the same time that it kept strictly and undeviatingly in view, those eseeutial interests and right , o:a which depend the sources and security of our maritime superiority. With rev - • the - Titartos ir l .4 s..\--...!:tzted that negociatirr .-i• : -flat then snake any com ment and f!'. 4 for his silence, arose solely front their peeseitee in that House ; convitaced as he and' every MAE who heatd him must be, that there never could be a more correct or proper se lection thau *as Wade in cominitting to such minds the arrangement of such important and intricate consalenttions, as must naturally arise in the ad justment of arrangements between this country and America. It would on this occasion be unjust not to admit, that it war the good fortune of the Eng lish Plenipotentiaries to meet, on the part of Ame rica, with men of sound discretion, and of candid minds, egtially actuated to perform their duties to their respective countries, and inclined to pursue the only sure mesas of effecting a real good, by a libe ral turd sincere system of conduct towards each other. Under such circumstances was that lie-relation ' commenced and conducted, which terminated in the execution of a treaty by the respective Pleitipos teutiaries. That treaty, which had so undeservedly exposed Ilis 51AJESTT'S late Ministers to iusinuo tioas the intot tedoundeal; to charges of heeling surrendered the best interests of Great Britain; charges which recent circumstances, and subtle apicatt events, hare fully proved to have arisen either from the most groat anal stupid ignorance, or from the most prepense turd detestable malice. usry's Speech bus acquainted Parliament, that the PRESIDENT of the UNITED STATES has refused to ratify that treaty. In such a situa tion of things, it • was the duty of Parlia ment to seek the necessary information, and most particularly when • a revolution was effect ed in the commercial littereds of the world— when the trade of all Neutral*, and of America more particularly, was subjected to the rigout , * of our Ordersin Couucil, and the whole circle of its trade, was, by an act of Ministers, forced into a source of British revenue and taxation. Indeed, were it possible to admit the monstrous principle, thnt it was just or politic at any . time to resort to the only object which these unintelligible Orders can convey, there would then arise this corollary and hnportant consideration—whether at this mo ment such ti resort was not at sariance, not only with every view of policy, bat every dictate of com mon sense ?—/:1 lattgls from the Ministerial Be:;ch). —He assured the Noble Lords, that hi would feel no humiliation, if they could, 'on this subject, prove that he was mistaken. On the contrary, from the nature of his apprehensions, it would be to him a gratification to be convinced of tho error into *hie's, on this occasioq, he had fallen. lie then took a most comprehensive view of the intri cacy of our relations with a State speaking the same language, extensively engaged 11l commerce, and likely to become a &mishit% maritime coun try. [We regret oar inability aceprotcly to follow the Noble Lord, in consequence of the standing Order that affects Itettortera being now more rigidly enforced than it has Leen for souse yokel--; Ilia Lordship •• concluded, ,by movitig. "That' an humble Address be prestroterl to His - Miugsrr, prayingthit he would be ph 'areal to order that there, he laid before that House, all 'copies of conamitnioa tions received by His ItiaJetry's Coverument from the BRITISH Amesskrunt is America, rela tive to the Treaty executed by the respective Ple nipotentiaries of the two countries." Lend HAWKESBORT was not disposed to object to the production of the' Papers rou4ht by the Noble Lord, although he conceived it was infirmil to produce documents referring to a treaty that has never been submitted to the consideration of Par- liament. Rotative to the other topics introduced into the speech of the Noble Baron, a time would arrive for their distinct diet:maid°, in which all 02- portunity would be embraced by Ilia Mtiastes tioverninent, to defend the pluptiety and 'poliCy. of measures which they were compelled to adopt by the unforeseen cireumstauces of the times. In one point lie coincided with the Noble Baron : he felt that in the adjustment of arrangements between this conotry and Americo, the struggle should not he how one may take ad vantage of the other, but (tiredly to conduct their nereiation upon inch principle's' on - impartial mediator would award. Lord At:cat/ow was anxious to learn from the Noble Set-Aare. whether it was his intention to oppose the prodnetion of the other document' con nected with our Auterictui relations? In the " darkuess visible:: in which the House was, Mo tive to the correct undemanding of this important business, lie seriously pressed it upou Ministers to afford the necessary inforruatiou. Lord HAWICASSORT intimated to the Noble Lord, that he should oppose the production of the papers alluded tn. Lord •A u CILIA VD strongly orssed the review of those Orders of Council, which, if they tneaut any thing, went to destroy the whole trade Kiwi cow frlPlT.! of America, independent of their being u violation of the laws of this country. The LORD Cietecatana thought it imposiible to assert, first,that these Orders were unintelligible, arid next, that they were illegal. When the proper time came, he would diecuss them fully, and the I loose would find in him, ()lathe question iu which the American interests were involved, one whose view of the subject was taken upon a liberal and coinprehensive consideration of the case. The Earl of LAUDERDALE controverted the so phism of the Noble Lord, and thought the opinion pronouliced upon the illegality of these Orders of Conned, perfectly reconcilable with that enter tained of their being almost wholly unintelligible. Did the Noble Lord - forget, that both himself and his collengnes felt the nnpossibility of making them, in their original shape, intelligible to them , selves or the public ? Was it not, upon that movie , tion, that Order followed Order; new comments nomn former ordl.M, and fresh Orders to explain old comments ? New an enlargentent, for the sake • of elucidation, and this followed by a small epitome of the system, for the 'woe& of brevity and con ciseness. Ha t all thew "expedients did not avail, and explauotiorn were sent into the city, for the • information of the Americau merchants, in the shape of a Declamation. Lord HOLLAWD supported the statemeti!.. Noble Friend, laid contended, that although mi . nisters might have a perspi,:uons view of the out. line of their system, they were theweelved gel completaly at a loss either to understand or expi a , 4 its various complicated and cold; udietory detail s . 1 The motion► of Lord Gar.srvttax. was then put s and carried in the affirmative. Lord iIAWKEsBURY presented certain offici a l copies of letters, written during the late Arliuisti , tration, to our Foreign Atahnaitadors. There some observation frotu Fart Gum. but in so I a tone as inside it impoailde for as to hear it. Earl Gaistr--`• My Lords, I rise in pstraliane a the notice, already given your Lordt4iipa, o f 14 intention to tuoie for Papers, eon-alma% itifor ta , tion of the Innst important nature to &us Hoax and the empire at large. My intentions are,. ak aa the Papers 1 hope to produce to the Howe di a ,u coolan t , is conjunction with those already fun Dished, a perfect series nad continuation of the hi,. ' tory of our foreign relations land transactions forth duration or the late Minis try , and consideble part of that whereiu I had tlie honour to snit the Councita of .His lils.terrr. The first inotica I shall propose to the House is intended to furn 4 to your Lordships that part of the corre_sponde lke with Russia, relative to His Imperial Ins.itstr't . . proffered mediation, which is defictive in the flocs. ' already offered by His MaJzsrr's Ministers to this House. The second branch of inquiry • intended to collect the precise dispo‘ition of siu with respect to this country, and iu this lam anxious to include the disclosure of the grub of the &offeror of Russ: ‘. respecting the cosier and principles of Great Britain. as cositsined is die minates of the private conference held betwixt. that EMPLROR. and His MAJESTY . / confidential Ambassador at that Court, whom I have gnat *pleasure in calling my Noble Frieud (Lord thr cetesua). The object of my third -motion is fo obtain the answer communicated to the Note General Be naaao. complaining of the conduct Great Britain. Front the great length of t: which hail elapsed between the request and the answer made on our part. as well as t admission, in part, made by Hiss MAJESTY . Ministers. I am sorry to be obliged to MCA., that no answer whatever had been given to 0.• most important document. Thesst comphfints, withstanding they were repeated, still, I remain unanswered. And it must ever be a Jett of regret, that the friendly intercourse le , system of amicable expostulation, which Its'! some time existed between the two countii.:• should bare ceased, by our neglect, at the mote.. that we were accused of receding from the.get.• cause, and when not only the vindication of character, hut also the preservation of our sib; demanded the most explicit and able defence t e line of conduct we had pursued. The preset nistry had loudly complained against the nu jql: 4 pursued, as well as the measures neglected, late Ministry. The principal points on which tie/ had been assailed were—the alleged refuel forces from this country to no-operate with thin • vi Russia—the remissness of the Ministry in settle!;, .; the Russ' Minister to apply for a loan from at. merchants of this country, without effect, lastly—the injury which the Russian trade h.,: received by the resolution entered into by t r ims country. On all these inshjAsta sat shill apes. to the public for our justification. We devils t • favour;—we require neither indulgence our from the Huns* or the Country. In the meueement of those disasters, which have sio cliatescil the features of Europe, we had the sere tuortitiration to discover, that the nation, whit had formerly been considered our ally, had yiell to the artifices and entreaties of the aninitic Ruler of France, and only wanted a favoura!: Opportunity to join, with any tolerable good gre! She forces of our implacable enemy. At that 'riot!, so memorable in modern history, it should 'remembered, that so little could we depend on assistance of that country, though nominally in as Mice with this; that we were compelled to maintai in conjunction with Russia, a Russian army on th. frontiers, tolovemwe mut deter the Prussian a front muting with that of France. This was tit state in which we unfortunately found the confines immediately on our accession to power. Shout_ after the triumphs of BONAPARTS in the heart • the Germanic Empire, the misunderstandings isting between the King of Pausste and the Ese peror of the Fatteen, involved those two king& in war, and that most lucklessly ate period, vdt. it was impossible, from the remoteness of t! ''Russian territories, that Russia could bring an am . into the field to support that country in a can which was, properly speaking, not her own, nor y ours; since she had been introduced into it mer. from an exorbitant ambition, which had indiscriir. tautly nreytd on foes or friends ; yet, notwidistiv , i ing that we had, in common with) others, suifeeel from the dire effects of her lawless lust , ptivr,.r and territory, iu the oeeupetion Hanover, yet even then it was the anxious Si of Eris Mao Lewes Ministers, knowing the imp" unce of the crisis atbirded, that England s he,•itt assist, or procure assistance and supplies. to be thrown into the Prussian territeries, to co-opt at in defending her against the assault meditated ;•jt the common enemy of Europe. It will then he said. what is the rencon we did not ailibd her this assistance ? To each impairer' let I,•' - graphy and dates prove the most uriansw..- able arguments. After the fatal and treumadot. battles of Ansterlits and of Jena, what peer: .1 the north of Europe could possibly form 41 al equip an. armament sufficient even to comperatc effectually with the shattered remnants of tt* , Pritsiian forces ? Those who admit t the fort e r. this answer, will perhaps yet urge the neceset . our endeavouring to 'Feet a diversion in her tenni , : To such I will answer, by another question. wit" should that diversion have been made ? We ha" too fatally experienced what results were to Is expected from a landing An the coasts of Fan" awl Htilbusd. There as in ttose.onuutries •5) hope of success from such an unolertakirm, shores of the Baltic remained. But here it was or cessai" foam the neiglitseue•ood of a coriquT , and ltitudinona army, that au immense fore should lie brought into the field to produce d effect. • It was borer in desist at were, then. i.ms the enterrenee. -sister it was evidpec we co .1(1 oil. Tote an adequate force to the sour objet (l es et fi cessisrily by super the Moss base rau umount is ocedli I si nlt r°°::7l:l4:7:thseleule3; f' - ' -