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It was read a first (lino, ordered to be printed, and Hod a second dine polSlooday Ret o I3R ) I-KW ATER, PLYMOUTH gouNp. Mr. YORKE, after ashort conversation across the table With I Mr. Whitbread, moved for the production of Copies 'of the Correspondence between the Navy Board sad the Admiralty, respecting the Breakwater of Plymouth, Sound ; and also at' Copy of ihe Order io Council, dated Tid Jnne, respecting the same.—Ordered , • - . • FOUR-AND-A-HALF PERCENTS. Mr. CREEVEY gave notice of a litittoW respecdog the. Four-aqd,a-Half pe Cents. on to-morrow (tins day) se'opight. NOTTINGHAM RIOTS. Mr. Secretary RYDER gave notice that he Would on Friday move for leave u) bring in a Bill for the better preservation of the Peace in thy County and the County of the Town of tingham. LOCAL MILITIA. The second reading of the Local _Militia Bill was pestponea 'till to-morrow (this day) se'nnight. - CORN INTERCOURSE BILL.. Sir JOHN NEWPORT complained of so violation of this Act on the part of the Custom-house Officers of Bristdl, who had seized upona cargo of corn from Ireland, under the pre tepee that because this corn had been secured from the intempe rature of the weather by Russian matting and boards, that it was.foreign corn, but had no doubt that the Treasury, if ap plied to, would enquire into and remedy this violation of the Act. • Mr. W. POLE said, that had the complaint been made° him, be should have gone forthwith to the Treeing . ), and pre ferred the complaint to that Board. - '' • •-• , MARINE CORPS. Mr.'HUTCHINSON rose, to call the attention of Alio:Nouse. to the situation of the Royal Marine Con*. His present motion should hi for papers, on which he might perhaps move, on a future day, aft . Address to the -Prince Regent, praying his Royal 'Highness to take the state of this Corps into his con. sideratiott. If the Right Honourable Gentleman at the head of the Admiralty would signify any dispo- . sitipn in the Government, to give to this meritorious corps the redress they conceived themselves entitled to, he should gladly withdraw his motion. The cir cumstances of the Marine Corps were, as he be lieved, but little known either to the House or the country, although their merits were beyond all question. What he begged leave to suggest was, that they ought to be put on an equal footing, both as to emolument and rank, with the other . bianches of the service. The Marines were one. fourth of our naval force, and amounted to thirty five thousand men. The merits of this corps were equal to those of any other description of our force, and yet it was their peculiar misfortune to be con sidered inferior to the rest. The highest offices in the corps were filled, not by Marine Officers, but by Officers of the Navy. There was a General of Marines, a Lieutenant-General, a Major-General, ' and Colonels, all Officers of the Navy, having other einoluments ; whereas the highest situation an O ffi cer in the - Marines could arrive at, was inferior both in rank and emolument, to those offices thus held by officers of the navy. There were four divisions of the marine force, stationed at Portsmouth, Plymouth, Woolwich, and Chatham. The situation of Com mandant of one of those divisions was entirely be im" that of the offices which be had before men tioned, as having been held by navy officers. The promotion also went on so slew in the marines, that it was I4years before a subaltern arrived to the rank of' Captain, and 30 years before he came to be a field officer. It must be a mortifying thing to marine offi cers to see Admirals made Generals who entered the service long after them. If their situation was corn- I pared with that of the navy, it was much inferior, as they never could rise so high as naval officers. It i was the same if compared with the line and the artil lery ; and upon garrison duty ) an old marine officer might see himself commanded by a junior officer of militia. They never ,were placed tpo: the Staffs neither had the Serjeant of marines the same allow.; ance It Greenwich, that the Serjeant of the line had at Cheletr.; As to the private's .in the army,, they were allowed, in computing their pensions, thee years' service for every two years spent in the East or West Indies. Thi4 was not the case with the ma tines. His great object was f .that a corps equal in merit to any other should be equally treated, both as' to rank and emolument. He concluded by moving' for a copy of the memorial presented to" the Admi ralty, in 1810, by the Field Officers of the Marines, as well as the copy of a letter from Col. Trench" to the First Lord of the Admiralty, upon this subje4t." Mr. YORKE said, that as to the latter Motion, he was convinced that the House would not require a private letter to be produced. As the object of mov ing for the other paper was declared to be in order to ground an Address to the Prince Regent upon, ho;! thought it necessary to make a few observations upon I the me which the Hon. Gentleman had submitted to.I them. He perfectly agreed with every thing that had I 'peep pal about the merits of the corps ; but as their I well known to the house, and to the empire I ' I he did tot Alio*, it. necesagry t 0 say much .upon that point. The House were always slow It! 7roir interfering with matters of pure military regulation' and detail; and unless they wet, convinced that the Executive had neglected, its duty, they seldom Or ever interfered .iu those joints. I s low he would ask, what could 'be i matter irf'.purely military ,detail, more than the rank which' marine offieets should have upon garrison duty? It must be I recollected by ' the House, that there waft - ale L.comple,,i4t of any. of the pldi regulation§ fOr aid marine corps having. been departed from, bat. that .it was merely a wish Of the Hon. ' Gentleman to jubstitate some othert in their place: ' The- rea son 0/ they had not the some rank in garrisons, was, that they were seldom or near called to (lc garrison duty. Jf,they were Called upon to do gar rison duty with other corps, there was no doubt but that their officers would take rank according to. the date of their commissions i but the fact was, that w hil e they were on shUre, all that 'was regeired' of them was to remain orderly in their barrecki,iiiwC therefore no question of rank arose. • Out of the thole number of 4,000 marine, U. 5,0() Tie* kre/ nerally on bout/Aim: where, frecn the very Were pf the pervico, they must necessarily be under the comma nd of thoCaptein of - the ship. 'lt Jr** be recollected, however, that no 'offiiiiti hfghee thott .a Captain of marines could pe called upon to serve on board a 'ship; and therefore when they arrived of the rank of Field Officers, they had little er-no du ties to do, amid- they lived in a sort of retirenient tiom the Service. ' From!" th e dile Fence: of ike user- ' 11. THE ifrAtE§MAN. sues they were called upon to perform, there was little analogy between the situation of Officers marines, and 0111:Jrs either in the line Wee artillery. Keeping these general points 'in •lew, he would also observe, that the aye. tells pow acted upon in the Merleg service, was that which had always subsisted. The active ser- Arices ,ef - the marines as a body, were always performp4 under the orders and superintendence of the t en Captain, or Admiral of the Fleet. - Even when the marines were occasionally lauded in boats, for the purpose of attacking any place, they where under the command of an officer of the navy, This of course preheated them from having the same qumber or field officers as were possessed by other corps ; but if any occasion occurred when they were landed, and acted in battalion, then they acted under their own field Gators. There was at present a battalion of marines - in actual service in Portugal, which was commanded by its own officers, and had proved extremely useful and effective. The Honourable Gentleman had founded his complaint chiefly on the small num ber of staff officers which belonged to the marine corps, and the inferior amount of their emo, luments, when compared with those of other branches of the naval and military service. • Now, as to these points, he would beg leave to observe, that the whole subject was taken into the consideration of Government only three years ago, and a very mate rial addition was then made to the emoluments en joyed by the superior Officers of the Marines. lie was quite persuaded that the greater part of these Officers were at present extremely satisfied, with their situation, as eompared with , , that of other branches of the service; and es this improvement of their ge nera( situation and prospects had taken place so late ly as 1809, he was convinced that there was no ne cessity for again recommending that subject to the I attention of the Prince Regent., or of the House.— The Right Hen. Gentleman here entered into a com parison between the pay and emoluments of the Co lonels, Commandants, and Majors of Marines, and those of Officers of similar rank in the army; from which, upon the whole, he inferced that the inequa lity of emoluments were trifling, if any, and not greater than what was occasioned by the diversity of , service. The Hon. Gentleman had complained of the slowness of promotion in the marine service, and that so very few Officers reached the rank of Com mandants. But similar Complaints were equally applicable to promotions in the army ; for how few Colonels in the army were there, compara tively speaking, who could be promoted to the I command of regiments ? Besides, during war, the proportion of marines on shore was extremely small, when compared with those who were on ship- , board, and these entitled to all the advantages which belonged to the naval service, such as the chance of prize money, &c. ; advantages which inferior officers ,ht the army were not possessed of. Were there even, therefore, some inequality in the pay of these respective branches of service, he saw no reason for chattering, as the Hon. Gentleman had done, about a few shillings or pounds, more or less. [Hear, I hear I .] But the divisions of marines which were on shore, and ' which never amounted to more than 10,000 men out of their whple number, were un doubtedly snacieatly supplied with Staff Officers:— Every division, consisting of 1000 men, had generally a Col,-Commandant and finer Majors; ' se that in this respect he really 1111"Ef heard a matter of complaint hich w less entitled to the consideration of the House. The service of the artillery, with which that of the marines had been compared, without meaning at all to depreciate the latter, was one of more re sponsibility, and of a more arduous nature, and which necessarily required a greater number of officers of rink; the great body of marines being, as he had so often stated, under the orders and directions of naval Captains. As to the slowness of promotion on the part of marine officers, he believed that if the lion. Gentleman compared it with what necessarily took place in the promotion of inferior officers in the army and navy, there would appear little or no ground of complaint. With regard to Greenwich Hospital, the marines contributed the same as the seamen to that establishment, and enjoyed from it the same advan-1 tages, with this single exception, that the superior officers of that national establishment were generally chosen from the navy • but this in itself was such a trifle (there being on ly four or five situations of the description alluded tol l as hardly to deserve the at tention of the House. The Honourable Gentleman had also complained, that marines, serving in the East and West Indies, were net entitled to the ad vantage possessed by soldiers ser'sing in those parts, of having every two years counted for three, in the computation of their pensions. ~But surely the Hon. Gentleman must he aware, that 66 - marines remain ing generally on hoard their ships, where they were much less exposed to the dangers of the climate, and which was always, in those latitudes, the most heal thy situation in which they could be placed. On board' ship their Officers were besides" etititted to the sutrae , allowances as Naval Officers, and came in for their due proportion ef prize-money. Upon the whole, he believed that the marine service was one of the most eligible of the various branches of our military establishments; and he thought the House would agree with him in thinking, that no sufficient ground had been laid for the Address which was now Proposed.. Mr. EDWARD BULLER, shortly stated his con friction, that the marine corps, as compared with other branches of the naval and military service, had not the smallest ground of complaint. Mr. GRENFELL expressed his regret, that an' impression might not go abroad, from the speech of the Right-Rom Gentleman, that the . door was shut agailist any enquiry into the situation of officers of he marine corps. Mr. YORKE oksersej, in explanation, that all :beird asawried was, that the Ron. Gentleman had no. sufficient grounds of enquiry. After a few words from Mr. Robinson, and a short repky.from Mr. "Hatebintloo, the Wtotipo was [lega lised Wititinit a division. HINSON Mr. lIUTC then mood for the produc. : top of a copy of- a letter from Colonels Trench and . Pesbrowi, of the spar* oerps tq the Right 14cm. C. Yorke. Oa Mr. YORKE obiervirig Oat. this papas was rather Of be nature of Is prisatp listtos i the main • !!at I.o,l*nr!", 7. '. "o• -- ••••:Ps.'"" vr --4 .r 4 "*"" 1 / 4 .4 • TR.ANSPORTATION•TO NEW SOUTH WALES. Sir SAMUEL WIMILLY rose, to move for the appointment of a Committee to enquire into the ef fects of the system of transporting convicts to New South Wales ; and in doing so, he should only de. tain the 'House a very short time, as he understood that his motion was not likely to be opposed. ile would beg leave to observe, however, that as connect. ed with the subject of transportation, two important , objects of enquiry would naturally come under the latteution of the Committee ;—one was, 'as to the ef fects which transportion produced on the convicts-- and the other, as to the nature of the punishment which was thus inflicted upon them, and their situation when removed to that colony. At a period whets the Legislature were almost every Session .-•n. der the necessity of passing Acts of Parliament. tl pouncing the punishment of transportation on offen ders, it became more than erer necessary to enquire WO effects, lie did not mean to throw any rellec. tion on the modeof distributing justice, but he wished merely that the public should have some information by which it would be judged, whether transportatio n was a punishment advantageous to society. The only information which the country had on the sub ject, was from a work of a Mr. Collins, and another lof a Mr. Mann ; but this was not authentic. All the information that ever was laid before the House, I with respect to New South Wales, was a correspen. deuce between Governor Phillips and the Secretary of State, iu 1792, although this mode of punishm en t was tried at first asa mere experiment ; and differed is eve/ imam from trausportation. to time colonies of Americy 'which was ih use previousfy . to 1775. Ile then gland., that s Committee be appiiinted to en. quire into the manner of . executing sentences of transportation to New Senti! Wales, an d i n t o th e effects'resulting therefrom. • The Motion was put and direied, the Committee nominated, and three appointtbd.te bei a quoium. Sir S. nomILLT gave uotiee,4hat be would. move to-morrow for a revival of the' Committee of last Session, for enquiring into the situation of parish apprentices.—Adjourned, AMERICA. [FROM TILE NATIONAL INTELIAGENEER OF JAN. 7.] The Bill for raising an additional military force of 25,000 men yesterday passed its third reading in the House of Representatives by a Majority of 6Q votes. We may consider the Bill as having become a law._ ~ The passage of this Bill, it is expected, will dissipate the cleat et misrepresentation• which has oyerilka dowed the • proceedings of Congress. Suspicion and jealousy can no longer affect to believe that Congress are minis earnest. After agreeing to raise 25,0;i0 ' additional troops, there cannot remain a shadow of doubt of their employment in war as soon as they can be organized for service; unless a very mataifd change should take place in the stale of our foreign relations. It is, we believe, the sentiment of the na tion, . that decision ought now to characterise . 1 .0 measures of our Government. Having, from a lore of peace and an indisposition to engage in guropeta warfarei been for five years past reluctantly content with measures of commercial 'restriction; and now perceiviug that forbearance and remonstrance have failed to procure a respect for our rights, the people (their *Mit roused by the indignities they have wit nessed) loudly call for measures of a stronger charac t ter. Congress, acting under the impulse of public sentiment and feeling, and the recommendation of the Executive, have adopted one measure, and others are in forwardness which, under present circum. stances, can only be justified by a determination to employ the force in due season in open active war.— In this aspect we view the measure, and under this impression announce it to our readers as the first war measure. As to ulterior measures, there is every reason to believe they will immediately engage the at tention of Congress,who, having in our view passed the Rubicon, will see the necessity of proceeding in their course with energy and dispatch. The :Nord being dram:, the scabbard .nsust be throan aside. For Congress to refuse to follow up this step by the adop tion of the necessary or precautionary measures, would be to measure back the ground they have trod, and'could only lead to humiliating defeae 7 or degre dation in the eyes of the world, • EST,PIATES FQR THE WEAR len. (Founded on a Poet Establishment} TO TOE.SIENATE AWD NOVSZ OP IREPOIWNTATIM OF Till EXITED STATES, I lay before Cougress, for their Informetioa, a Report of the Director of the Mint. JANIES MADISON. .• , mist of the United Stiges. Jan. 1, 18 1 2. SIR, —I have now the honour oftlying before you la Report of the operations of the Mint during the last year. With the exception of a few weeks, after the. expiration of the charter of the Bank of the • Ynited States, the supply of bullion, now furnish :1 ( 14:1:41 y by the other Banks of this city, has taro' been abundant. From the 'Frets su r.r i * st,a t ?men t e t he last year's coinage, which is herewith transmeted, . it will appear, that during that period there have hem • struck. and issued—ln geld coins, 99,581 pieces, . arpnatiog to 497,905 dollars; in silver coins, 1,288,82.4 pieces' amounting to 608,340 dollars; in copper coins, 281,165 pieces, amounting to 2493 cents.—making in the whole 1,649,5 70 I pieces of coin, amounting to 1,108,740 dollars, 93 cents. I have, Sir, the honour, &c. .11, PATTERSON. I Juries Madison, President of the United States. . Treasury Department, December 91, 1911. SIR,---T have the honour to transmit, herewith. the estimates of the appropriations proposed for the ~ service of the year 1812 ; also a statement of the re ceipts- and expenditures at the Treasury, for the year endiwg on the 30th day of September, 15 11.— i The appropriations, as detailed in the estimates, amount, in the whole,' to six minions seven hundr..3 i and eighty-five thousand eight hundred and sixty-five f, dollars, seventy-six cents. via :-•-• • ror the Civil List .. . 638,690 94 For miscellatseoas expences, including the • , additional estimate at foot fur India n .". Tradiag Houses 939,?-27 44 1 •.. far latercuucw with Foreign Nations at the Military. Establishment, itwitaiing • 164,500 dollars for the Indian Depart meat far Ala Naval Establiainpent, including ' f 001,669 60 - Ake *dim Cite ~ . , ... . ... -_--- 114111116,785,8 M 76 1. .. _. r ~. , .... i [ r f 4