The Statesman. — London, England, 1812-06-12 00:00:00

gTAfits"MAN: . . ~. • we put the Soiereign In a gate Of degradati on Of Merit - bit:a of th e '0 ritioSitiOn; It *di dee lat:Piously *fees viblation Isf-the • Addreciiefeefer t niese t e„n 'Ong liveaNiati Of the Stile ihduld.be defier one tinitiidie i e , n uke huniiliatieg nature, and -the Noble sEarl patrdnized by the Opposithei, two Clantletneu only ;and efficient Administration ; nore elited. tsey. per- and the 0111cersot the ()Oita ddeeisidisiher ?-elatt-dt ( eases e e f e lt it .o,seid acted aCConlingiy. The quei t rose and ,delliered their opinions ;•for had any such ceive any'hope of balanclng toe Cabinet, ; with eire *dela be thought be them, if they hid i;mideseeiiiietl te ,, th e e leis, Whether; by pressing, fbrwattl thus e ,desire • been, manifested, the Honourable Gentles prietY a , by such stipulatiOn. A Cabioecippeared to abandon this principle, ,principle liltae'' leo ilicele`-' la ., could procere, what they wanted ? It was idle i man would have' occupied a 'grouted, in ap .rs to be a body of Codnciliers fastened together oy ' ing no distinction between the greet Othietsl of the , 0 talk of poblie talents being Public' Property to ' ance, more tenable when he Chose to assert, that • =teal reliejice upon each oth ' er's eapac . ities met in- State, and the great Officers of the (Iowa; But .b„ pr essed into the minim of the State, for no power they were not labouring to - get people from . tegrity e Ipossessing also the confidence of the crown were these Noble, Lor4etiatifleil be fifty thing that e . e i s tedto oblige any individual to accept of othce, power bet -to get themselves . into it. lie never and a concurrence in public measures; het nio hope passed' s in abandoning those pliiitiplet Shish had - • • no r was it poseible to fovea a bread and extended recollected any question of such importance from of such a Cabinet was presented to ti l es, by the plan been insisted epoii by ill {hit prenecesiors? For p Ad m inistration, withodt considering the public prin- ' which there were se many of the Opposition absent ; submitted, and a certain deterioration of character iu althOugh the llonse had voted ate Address fora Stroe4 a p t es and feelings of theleVeral individuals who were the intimation was so short, that Gentlemen, who their own estimation awl in that of the Public, and efficient Administration, this first orinicival was ' ' intemled to compose it. The Right Hon. Gent. were at a distances had not timeto receive i n telli ge n c e , would undoubtedly follow thei r a cce pt ance o f o lli ces . not ver y like', to attain that most desihible objlica. 4 ' e . • * t h en entered intd d vindication of the character and lof it; and the Ministerial•side *f the 'louse had t h e under such regulations. T were his explanation was so broad 'They never honoured by a Pretend' inter/MP welsur es .of the admiiiiitratiott -of Lord Sidenouth i honour of pas - sing a vote of incapacity upon the ali. and so ample , - • thut it anticipated almost all that hem with his Royal Highness the Niece ilreeet.—iff e asn'• e.eainst the attacks of the Noble Lord, (Milton), and ! nistry almost without the participation of the Oppoe ' had to say upon the subject. The Crown had hitherto he;rdj—The ordinary and afield practice prune tbd - e on tended that they had 'either been driven out 1 silion. He begged to say Ai his friends and for been in the habit of s.uainioning in able men to its formation of every new Atiniieiseraeon'Lleet thii • enr left is a miserity, tut yielded to the pressure i himself, that they had no secret -- no reserve upon the Councils, but such a proeosol 'as that, was of a na-; precticeauport the' present•occiasion was quite al e rt b f d r ono t stanoes. With reepict to the conduct ob- : subject ; the more extensive the capacities were which • ture so dissouant ' that the first glance at it repulsed ent ; nor did the prOposel itself convey-to them any • s erved by Mr. Pitt and Mr. Fe* on that occasions : the Administration could admit, the more w ou ld th ey the mind, l e t it have been ever so prone to political ; preten c e that they possessed the Conklin& of thd • he h a d on ly to observe, that - le . iwas no impatation Ibe gratified, •and the country assisted. It had been compliance. For it took for granted, that a certain: Crown. Under whet circumstances then could Oily against that Administration, that it t mild not at ti tude Impressed vat the eeople's diitids try the vote of the system of opposite interests would display themselves I have hoped to bring foistard the Ca' biotic' question *. aga inst their inlioesce• He wished to Gott that Houses that a coalition of public men, of hitherto in the Cabinet, and attempted to raise a darner In this House there hid been alwAys a majority those illustrious characters were now living to !dissonant parties, was to take , place, and a strong against ima • terrors. The first • • l of against I emery princip.e a t :em upon - bet question; and they were de= emc e e their great talents for the benefit of the Adniiiiistration, fulfilling the eitlectancy of the lie- Cabinet was mutual confidence of its 'Members in , termined not to feint goy Admieistratiou unlees they c ountr y. He meant no disparagement to any . time, would be the consequence. It certainly was each other, a sound political agreement, and total ' could carry that question.' Were they theft 'totems* H onour able Gentleman, when .he said that there the wisleof all those persons with whom he lived iu abhorrence of all jealousy and distinct interests. 'rile ;to this Rouse with this Mark' brandeti upon theme were no such men now ; hut they must look to those i friendly habits, to coalebce with the other Gentlemen , answer of the Noble Lords having been dispatched • while in Order to carry that question every ma r k mater i a ls which they had, and decide between the ..who might be called to the Adittillistration. It was :to my Lord Wellestey, ne further correspondence "of the confidence of the Crinn was abiolnle!y n ee presen t Ministers and those whom it was proposed : the determination of his two Noble Friends, and of . took place under the auspices of the Prince Regent. cessary. With respect to America the dam.; to sup plant them with. The Right Honourable Gee- • himielf, to act with any men who could unite cor- ' But his Noble Friend, the Earl of Moira, returned ties meet& be still gretit i er :, eands conn e cted m f ro ttitee pre: deman next adverted to the determination of le avin g • diall'y *upon some of the great and,peuding questions l a private answer on the 3 d of June, wherein he la. ' sent complexion of affairs t h e Catholic Question open, and asked whether it at present iit agitation in the public mind. They -inented that a negociation promising such happiness that country, that which /night •have been e as ily b i d no t been held oat as the pride and pais° of /end were desirous to cast their Portion of assistance into to th enuntry should be broken off upon points, and ' adjusted two or three years back; • they mi g ht .. G r e n ville, when at the head of the Government, ; the grand political balance, and aid all the resplen- I hoping that no blame could be attached to him ; that • now find impossible. The third questio n w hi c h re _ th a t he had carried the Abolition of the Slave Trade . dent talents which came to the support of the Go- letter was written with the accustomed frankness and , lated to an . economical reform in the exp e nditur e; by making it a Government question? and argued . 'eminent. When the formation ef such en Admi- courtesy of the Noble Earl, bat unhappily it was not ; and unott whicli . a Bill' was now pending i n that f rom that, that there must be a legitimate influence : nistration was entrusted to the capacity of his Noble expressing opinions pf aaigher authority than his own. I House, brOught foment by an Hon. Gentienfau • • vested in the Government, which was made requisite , Friend (the M a rqu i s W e l l esle y ), that Noble Person In answerto which, Earl Grey immediately wrotethat ; (Mr. Baukes) on which, he had been able to obtalh by the nature of things—[hear !]. If then, it was . requested the assistance of his two Noble Friends they were anxious to assist in the . Geveripnent, borer only a majority.of -nine. • Could. it be expected that I s u pposed, that the influence of Government de- (Grey and Grannie), informing them, that all party a the failure of the negocintions they imputed no blame ,O. Ministry so formed under difficulties of this sort. fcated the Catholic Claims, could there he any harm ; predilections were suppresied, and a general union of to theNobleEarl ; theydiscovered an utterimpossitelity ! and not supported by the confidence. of the Crue t ' • t o try the qu e stion without it? Then it was said,ltalents was to take place for the furtherance of the ofcomplyingeith therequest upon sound constitutioual ' could carry such a measure? But the orlicnis task . • that there was Inconsistency hi this line of policy, ; common cause of their country. When a call had principles. Upon the 4th of Julie, Lore Grey re- ; was to be put upon them, by.fiist denying them th e f o r that Ministers had said some months ago, that i been made upon those Noble Persons, in a manner ceived a letter from the NobleLord,saeing, that he had ' power over the Household, and granting, tame the • the question should not be agitated at all.— ; which they were obliged to declare that they could hot received an explanatory letter from Lord Grey, with i more odious task of afterwards displacing Member' 'Was there then to be no change ?—[char, h e ar!) , concede, the Public had a right to know upon what which heavas gratified. Ile was not aware that his :of Parliament for their votes. There were dries in lie was not now stating his own individual opinion, ] grounds they made their resistance; therefore, for the Royal Highness tad given further orders for a re- i that House who well knew the Noble Lords were for he saw uo practical view on which the question ' purpose of vindicating their characters from all mis- newel of the negociations, a circumstance which he i not actuated in this by any narrow or personal mot z u uld be conceded, but he only spoke in justification • conception, he begged indulgence from the House to deeply • lamented, as a very successful explenatidn I Lives whatever; and if a mien could hare been • of those who thought the Catholic claims might be i narrate the correspondence in the order in which it might have been made. I le wo u ld be platen , that I formed upon those principles, the House ,must do T ra h ted under certain limitations and restrictions, had happened. Upon the 231 clay ef last month, the under the sanction'of the Regent he had received a! theta thejustice to say, that they manifested liver, which might make it wholesome to grant them. It i Marquis of Wellesley communicated to Lords Grey commission so conciliatory as to have effected the : disposition to . have the negociation forwarded.--: was then fit and proper to know what those limita- and Grenville the plan of an Administration, adapt-' purpose for which they had negotiated. Lord Grey i With regard to the present motion before the tions and restrictions were, in order to satisfy those ; od, ask was described, to the present posture of af- wrote an answer, in which he and Lord Grenville; House, however highly he respected the chile ' • -who could not see them.—[Henn !]—Tnere was, i fairs. •The Noble Martinis said that he had been.en- professed a readiness to comply with any desire of a' racier .of the Honourable Gentleman who brought 'therefore, no inconsistency or dereliction of principle trusted, by his Royal Highness, to collect together conciliatory nature which his Royal Highness might lit forward, yet, as he understood it, it was rather ri in those persons who Tad been placed by their Satre- ,an Administration of strewth and character, for the transmit. Soon afterwards, under the authority of i motion to keep in the present Admintstrotion,'whiek reign in the administration of the Government. He i more happy dispatch of public affairs, but in which the Regent, a meeting took place between Lords . the House had already voted to be inefficient; and •• hid aered thus much, in order to remove, as far as !he did not desire to take any situation. This Admi- Grey and Grenville on the one side, and the Earl of however they might have the power of availing thefii.: he could, tie great impression made by the speech of i nistration was to be totally unmarked by political Moira, in which Lord Erskine was present, upon i selves of any accidental did, from any'quarter frdet 'the Right Hon. Gentleman- (Mr. Elliott) on these' dissentient. In the first place, the claims of the Ro- the other. This wits at St. James's-place, on the : which it might come, still they were in a state of who only saw their own mode of conducting this j man Catholics were_ to be brought to a situation of Gth of June. The Earl of Moira informed them that ; weakness and insufficience. The motion, he fhoughle -question in a favourable point of view. To revert. ; adjustment and conciliation; and in the second place, he was authorized to arrange a Government, and was ' did not go far enough, and he believed there never to the question immediately before the House, he i the war upon the Peninsula was to he carried on in a desired to consult with their Lordshies upon the . was an instance before the Haute toting an Address 'saw no mode of proceeding left, but to go on ad- ! more extensive scale of enterprise, by an augetenta- plan. After mentioning these concessions upon the ; for a change of Administration, end then resting sa tdressing the Regent, and telling him,—" We don't 1 tion of the British armies in Spio.end Portugal.-1 Catholic claims, they enquired whether er not the ; tisfied with having the same Admidistration again. — •care what has been done, or who is in fault ;" of to] Throughout all that communication to his Noble I contemplated Administration was to be furnishedilt was not for any accession of strength and efficiency twist satisfied with the steps which had been taken. Friends, the Marquis had not stated that he had any ' with a greater extent of authority over the great Offs- i they could approve of them, for there m its none. It Lord YARMOUTH said, that the Officers of his , euthority to form. an Administration at that very cars of the Household than what the former projected could not be from the adoption of any edeciliating • ' Majesty's Household had manifested all possible lie. time. He communicated only the views intended Administration was projected to have, and which meeeares, for aeNohle Lord, a Member of -this *Ad.- elination to accommodate themselves to the pending to be entertained by the coalition of parties. Upon was usually granted in new political , arrange- t ministration (we understand Load Harrowby), had negociation. He spoke in the name of a large pot- the ith 9' May, without either cavilling or delay, I meats; to which the Earl of Moira answered, i declared in another place, that they remainedin office tion of the Household, who only desired ten minutes' the Lords Grey and Grenville dispatched the follow- 'that the Prince Regent had given him no in. i for the purpose of preventing the Government from warning to surrondeir their situations ; but-the re- ing answer :— That they considered it to be the para. I formation upon the subject, nor had e v e n hinted at fallin g into the hands of those whose o p inions and moval of the Household, se stebnuotiily insisted uponl mount duty of public men to elaandon any object ea- such a concession: Upon this the Noble Lords i principles had been co nd e mne d b y the countr y ; in as a preliminary of service •of the Noble Earls, ap- petite of promoting personal animosity, so that stir refused to accept of any o ffi ces in which they would other words, to prevent the accelleratiotrof the Catho peered to him to be designed toga to emech greater ! cient effect might be given to the vote of Address i not be permitted the power to give stability to the lk claims. But it was said, the Catholic question would I • extremity than ever was meditated in a new Admi- ! moved by the House of Commons to his Royal H i g h- I new a r ran g ements. The consultation closed with not be made a Cabinet measure, and if . not a Cabinet nistration before. He declared, before God, that to I ness :an Administration capable of sustaining the mutual expressions of regret. Upon the whole , i measure, it never could be a Legislative one, for if they insidt upon such an extensive dismissal was for nee! country successfully against the eminent peril in then, what authority had the Noble Lard (liar- ' did not undertake this it never could be carried, for he other purpose but to oiler humiliation to his itteyal I which it appeared to be placed, was *hat they de- mouth) to say, that the removals in the Household never knew any great measure having a shecessful Highness himself. - " I sired much to see : they had no disposition to cavil were greater than before meditated upon any change termination, without it was first made a Cabinet men. Air. PONSONBY rose, and said, that lie hoped at the admiesion of different parties. Respecting the of Administration.—reCeics of. No, no!] —To giie sure. Such measures had been carried by the Opp°. the House4Ould submit with patience to the- length I measures supposed to he the determination of the strength and eflicioncy to any Government, a mutual bidet', but it was after that Opposition had been of time he was imperionsly necessitated to employ in : new Government to adopt , they had -formerly ! concurrence and agreement in the principles upon I changed into an Administration, and taken into the the /indication of his Noble Friends and of himself, . expressed pretty amply their opinions upon the I which it is framed—next, a good understantliiig with service of the Crown. Were 'they to come to the from the misconception under which it had appeared , Catholic claims, and in which they delighted to I the Crown—and lastly, a good and sound character !eonclnsion, that the Government had no opinion several of de House laboured respecting their Wei find the had the concurrence of the Noble Ito each Member composing the Administration, and npoa a question involving the peace and happiness of conduct. •Ile had hearkened to expressions of a du- , Marquis himself. They would willingly sup- I a countenance of honour, and a heart of integrity in : oise-fifth part of the Empire, and upwards of four binoi complexion, employed by the Noble Lord j port any Motion of any person that would lead to a , the eyes of the people. These qualifications only ' millions of his Majesty's subjects ?—lf he was wrong (Yetmouth), and which he had assured the House, I conciliatory adjustment of the differences, without I gave strength and efficiency to a Government. His in this, then most happy should he be to see his °pi voted his lips for the first' time. Who the Right t which, nal found it impossible to contribute their Noble Friends had been rashly blamed, for hastily : nion erroneous,and the conduct of the Cabinet, coa- Ilon. Gentleman mentioned by the Noble Lord was,' aid. In the next place, they were of o p inion, that l breaking up the negociations, but it was not their tradictiag his predictions. Under these einem who possessed such transcendent talents, who was the direction of military operations was a question of t blame that they listened to them. If any blame stances, he hoped his Noble Friends (Grey and such delightful company, he could not conjecture ; ' policy, not of principle; an unstable fluctuating` could be attached, it would be with the Noble Grenville) stood acquitted from any wish 'to clopo.i but he would affi in, in the names of my Lords Grey scene of operations which expanded or contracted, I Marquis and Earl Moira, who submitted plans of polise power to themselves ; that they gat! acquit and Grenville, that no conjecture .or assertion was according to the capacity or inclination of the coon-' Governments , without having well weighed the ted of any wish to hurt the feelings of iffy person ever made se errenoontlye than that those Noble• -try ; but they believed that a careful hand to watch 1- principles of the Constitution. Such principles whatever, but, above all, the Illustrious Personage Persons determined to have the Household Olken ! over the Public Fsependiture e at a period like the as were held to be fundamental, and established , so often alluded to ; they were incapable of any dismissed for the sole purpose of humbling that per- present, would not be unacceptable to the nation.— firmly at the glorious Revolution. It was a viola- such motives; they had acted, not on private, son to whom all respect was due. lie eels cer- A coMmenieation of the same nature having been ! lion of these principles which lost the' House of but public grounds. lie entirely agreed in the . Lain, that no Right Honourable Gentleman of his made to another quarter, Lord Grey believed that he ; Stuart the Crown. The King, by the law of the Amendment of his Noble Friend (Lord Folkestone) . acquaintance { concerned is the negociation to which perceived some difference between the One submitted ! Constitution, was an irresponsible person, who was, in all ?arts, at the same time -he did conceive that he himself was admitted, would have forborne, had ; to himself, and the other, which he deemed to be im- I however, under promise to employ confidential per. , it coota too much matter of detail for the House any such eenversatiou happened,.to have immediate. portant. Ile accordingly wrote to the No ble M a r. l sons to su pp ort his Government, and to suffer then: to enter 1' 'sal present. lie was, therefore, ready IY communicated it. Many persons- were present : quis, informing him of the distinction which he appre- ito courted him in the exercise of his prerogative.— :to vote fog ilia. Amendment of his other Noble Friend now who happ ene d to be in company at that time, ; handed had been made, and requested an explanation. The House of Stuart told the Parliament that it (Lard Milton), which was consistent with the dig. upon whom he caned so contradict him, had he been Upon the receipt of - this letter, Marquis Wellesley possessed no right to interfere in those matters of nity of the.-House, sun the principles of the Cod:. guilty of any misrepresentation. There was a Part i immediately transmitted an answer, which cleareileip .State, and by an unconstitutional resistance to the stitistien. I of the Noble Lord's a ffi rmations to whiter •he con. ,an m isappreheesions,and restored the natural goodesr. Parliament, compelled the people to dethrone them, Mr. BA.TIIURST sheeny explained. tens Plated no immediate answer, which was the prin. der s tandingbetween them. Matters passed on without and place a more deserving Family on the Throne.— ; Mr. CANNING, in a speech of great lettgth,. ciPie upon which the responsible advisers of the Crown ' any further notification until the first day of June, Although the Crown had the prerogative to dis- entered -into a history of the TlP4oeirStiOn, and sere=a sought to •rintrottl his Royal Wellness by means : when 'Marquis Wellesley wroteto his Noble Friends, miss its servants , when it thought proper, never- . nuously defended th e s te p s taken b y the Prince Ree '°f the Household ; to this he would advert towards ti o f o rming theta, that he had received ample autho- theless it was bound to accept of counsel from gent, to carry into effect_ the vote of the House of 'he conclusion Of his speech. Passing those opinions : rite to arrange an Administration, and was speciall y , those persons em p lo y ed under it. The Right Hon. j Cemmons. Ire denied the assert i on . which had been 'for , the - present he would proceed to relate occur- authorised to 'communicate with them upon that f Gent. t hen p roceeded to enumerate the various r repeatedly made, that the ceMmenton to ferni an . "nal as tilfy happened it; a train, with as much dig. I subject ; informing them of the names of those '-changes of Administration from 1766 to the present ' Administration had always been handed to those per patch and accuracy as was possible. Upon the 21st epersons desigued to form the Administ r ation.-- I day, in every one of which.the change of the Officers sons_ who_ could co mmand i the greatest number of votes of last month, the Parliament, upon the motion of ilt was proposed, that if twelve were nom i n ated to :of the Household took place as a necessary part of ;i n that House. t i was . a principle, on the present the Hon. Gent. opposite, came to a resolution to I the Cabinet, his Royal Highness was t o h av e the' the measures of, such Administration* The Noble I occasion , studious ly avoided. He admitted the great address his Royal' Highness to form a 'more strong l disposal of five of them ; and should thi r teen be I Lords (Grey and Grenville), therefore, only de- , advantages to be de rived from an admiiiistratio in and efficient Administration, so that the great con- l found necessary, of these six were to b e o f the ap.. sired to know if they were to be permitted to use the, which there were no conthiteing seutiments: the Mem. cerneof the nation might be dispatched with abilitylpoititment of his Royal Highness. The N o ble L o rds same powers usual .upon the change of every Admi- hers of whicii meet together will! co . n fi dence, their .. and confidence. • The Hon. Gent. (Mr. Wortley) he ! considered the whole arrangement with d ue defer- nistration. There was not, therefore, any dell se habits, feelings, and political principles teeing the now saw opposite to him, had been accused of , ence, and, in a consultation, they concluded u pon very extraordinary or extravagant in this request. seme. Bat, wbile he allowed this, he did not mean concerting the motion mutually between them, and', the following answer :—That they had con t e mplated The Noble Lord, (Moira) answered, that althou gh to say,. that no good change , could he made its he called upon that Hon. Gent. to declare npoiehis.ethe whole scheme with much attention, w hich had uninstructed upon this point, yet he himself the C binet, unless all the power_ were transferred to 'unsullied and spotless honour, as a Gentleman, been submitted to them ; that they were no t d e terred thought, upon public grounds, it could not thebe the friends o f the Right ilSal ! Gentleman (Mr. whether that ha had ever made any such communica- either from the distressed situation e f th e Public, assented to. What then would the public or . ..Poiestreiby).—[ileareheerll—When tliecommissiott tion, either with himself or with those with-whom he nor from the in fl uences of private feeling, f ro m ac- Parliament have thought of- these Noble Lords, was given to Marquis 'Wellesley, it was his opinion, lived in the intiroacv of private and political friend.. ceping of the offers which had been made to them if they had come into office upon s refusal of the in wh ich he' (Mr. Canniegaaerded, that an' Adminie . ship. The motion of the Address did not emanate . of be in g em p lo y ed, where they might n ave b e en ser- exercise of the same powers which were permitted striation, strong and efficiete, could not be selected, from the side of the House on which he bad the viceable to their country ; but it appeared to them, to all other. Administrations ?-e-What could be more where a perfal unanimity of sentiment, on.alipeints, honour of sitting, neither did it' find its strongest that a - stipulated number al Cabinet Councillors, to destructive?-..-what could be more opposite t o th e should prevail..prevail..Bet they eltieughe _fleet a , Minist ry, support from those persone Ittsually denominated be retained for n omination b y • his R oy al *ighness, principles of the Constitationethan that - the Esecu- possessing nu inconsiderable -abillte mtg t• be ' 1. , t t - , il I i i I 'N , .h I i . _ • , i. . . ; v,;• 4'. e 4, , • • t o , w 11 11 i iii 1 . • . • ••!" - • ,F.•.+4,444. ... ~ . I 7 4 ' :