The Statesman. — London, England, 1810-01-26 00:00:00

PP .r A Imialstr.ition. Ile was, therefore; s b a o:,• ,„, to salie that opportunity of sta h tPng his ob.. 's • and that was, that such a measure • tin ' 9 ~sly te nd to make the British Constittitiofi different to what it had ever been. The tog • ,erable Baronet, because it had generally hoe onsidered that on a debate on his Majesty's flochany AleMber had a right to speak in a very 4 . a .„ e way, and enter into various subjects, had Bou ght fit to tench on many topics, nut included or immediately incident to the Speech, ant! had/ 7'.„fore, i n troduced the Jubilee which hail been b.. throughout the country in feerally ste've wew etration of the lung and mild reign of our "lieentStiversog. n, in doing which, he hail said, t h e Jebilee joy, as he was pleased to term that it w , as ro rced down the throats of the people. 'sK h • (Mr. Yorke) believed in his heart, that s ight fairly say, there never was an event that i-g%wepeited is the country, which hail given satisfaction, or in which the people had er e to s pontaneously, se cheerfully, aid so u ni. w ay pitied is the heartfelt expression of tit ir and loyalty. . The lion. Baronet had been ',w o ad to say that the present Sovereign seemed se h o e entered on his reign under the influence of a sw a t enatit star, and that the progress of his s bad been marked with blood. He, fur his ees h art , was' of quite a different opinion; be oss o say oe carne to the Throne towards the Aid daa unfortunate war, and s oo n it i ts i wa m a hiekedthe country by concluding ea most skirl- . s o p‘aee. In the course of so long a period of the country had without doubt experienced so y disasters; but it must be allowed, and be bal i tic a it was, so universally, that It was one of we esostaaild and benevulent that7wasseverknown. tp o Ilan. Baronet bail warmly expatiated on the a d aa ellis of the country, and had appealed to vu. g oo antecedent •situations t In which we should soy •think ourselves happy to be• pieced. 111 in t , Yorke) should, for one, be glad t o see sense ' a t the e vents which bad taken place blotted Gout ne aistury of the world. • He should be happy, 'edit would be hippy for the world in general; if shat monstrous and horrible era of the Freed' R e . s estias had never been known, fur • to that eras w b e attribute I all the mlsfiitionts which', hid time befallen, not Only this country but all. list. so •pe. Tee Honourable Baronet hid, its his (Mr. Yorke's) opinion, guniommewhat too 'far, when,, io the observations be had thought proper to in. trotluce on the Adatiastration of an illustrious Statesman, not no mare, end his mil/stpwise con. a : elation of he had talked of the pe.,ple's be. la; compelled to pay Mr. Pitt's debts, tied to erect a monument to his memory. The fact only so "wet the reverse, that he believed it, was only no. awry to state the argument to refute it.' Every s ad must remember that sao measure was aver more roer.ely agreed to; and if he recullectud the 'e right, his sreat o politicil antagonist (Mr. Fest) was one sif those who condurred sad s 'mooned it by his 'approval. The liuts.Bart. eeays argued with ability, coolness, and W ine., but he often so highly exaggerated' air. eguist'itices, that he failed of soaking out his pro. position. Is what he hail advanced respecting the refesal to receive thy Petition of the Corporation of the City of Landon, he set out by stating, that , it was an insult to the City ant Corporation, and that :titillates% were highly culpable- for having ad. said it. He coold not by any means see it in seat a light. He bad ever spoken, and would al loys speak, of the City of Logsdon in terms of I tyre highest tespert. 'lle thought aceith, eleir loyalty, and general importance, were eta. ening the cure nium which the Hon. Baronet had he/toned on them ; and he therefore thought it vs impossible his Itight *lion. Friend near • bin% cold ewer think of treatieg*thetn with itistalr f or riy thing ap;ir etching towards it. Nothing had lam Joao us the pres.ett, but what hail.breurred la for tier occasions ; it Was a mere question of etiqeette claimed by the Livery, bet lie be. i:cied it was disputed, ead had never been ee.. deteriniited ; and he thought, therefore, t his Hon. Friends; had acted right, as isa the present state of the Kind's age .and tin, it was impossible fur him to receive every Pe:, tition en the Throne, and he' could not ses what, tight the City of Loudon .had. to that particular distinction more than York,' Bristol, and other, cities in the kingdom. The Hon. • Ibrimet had secimial one circumstance fb whielt he begged to &el the recollection ot-the House, and which his soot! wish to be known to every indieidttel its tbe asttlow as it spoke .o strongly the blessings ve dohs. tl from our glJciuns Constitution. The non. Baronet had sais: that the King, though sur. minded with all his splendour, could not stop up footpath in :.is own Park.; but that this refusal receive the Petition of Cie City of London the Throne, Was the stoppage of the public ugh road to petitioning. This was so extravagant exaggeration, that it was only necessary meution the Hon. Baronet 4 s .statement in rdcr to refute it. The Honourable Baronet had test that this country was its great danger. He ;iced with him as to the danger, but not as to his tans of extricating us from it; for if they should adopted, the country, be feared, would be iris - Ile did nut think the great dangdr of country was from a foreign enemy, but that it tie and was engendered mach nearer home. He vit most formidable= in the dissensions existing , no ourselves, and from a' prevalence of opi s uttered in that House, and spread all around make us hate one another.—(t/ear, hear !).-- he exaggerated manner its which opiniens were ttered in that House, g ave an opportunity to sons disaff e ct e d t o the Govertesient to act under eir authority, and to turn them to the most schievaus purposes; and every expression tensi le lesson the Government in the opipion people was greatly to be deprecated. Much as he - _ tied the di s sen s i on s w hi c h had taken place in Majesty's councils, he would yet assert, that it not th e f au lt o f hi s Ri g h t H on. F r i en d near hi m t there was not at this moment An A dininiltrati " hich would have taken into its circle many of e Gentlemen on the other side of the House, and Ten the country the advantage. of their Went , l ' i l'lPPert. Not having howeter been able to Kt !hit, he had, with a courage and icoustabcy , •. 7 • MK- ST AT FA MAN . . ----- r -- - - - - - 'T. ---- T -,.. (lilt did him the greiteet homier,. determined to st and by hia'Sovereigii ; and so well del he know his integrity and *billetes ? that be would give him his utmost support, and would not be one of those who would at any time go into a systematic change in the Administration of Government. As to the lion. Beretta's crime of omissions, he should only say very shortly, that he voted for the Address, because he thought it went only to pledge the House generally, and not to bind any one to support the late measures ; and against the Amendment, because it was obviously a prejudging of Ministers. Though ho admitted there was it failure in the Expedition to the Scheldt, e which deserved the consideration of the Hayti% he would not pledge himself even to go into thesubject. He differed widely with those whit thought the late expeditions subjects of utipe ralleled calamity and disgrace (Hear, hear r , hear!) Ile understood the plan originally was to have pushed up the Scheldt to Antwerp, suit -to carry that place by a coup-de-rnain, which he believed had been prevented by unfavourable weather ; and the only question was, whether they could or could not have got up sooner than they did? So far, cer. ttinly, one part of ths Exiseditioe -bed failed ; the other had seceeedvd. s antirsurattle Gentlemen 1).144.41k as lightly as they pleased *beet the de. ifruction of Flushing.; but did, they know, that' -the bseira th.et had been destroyed was capable - or, holding 22 sail of the line ? Was it nuthiti; to have done this ? (Mar, hear !) But was there soy disgrace in this ? (deer, hear !) These were the exaggerated expressions and observations he had alluded to, slid he was sorry that any such had been uttered in the House of Commons. He then adverted to the army in Spain ; spoke highly in favour 9f Lord ‘Vellingtoies Splendid military talents and extraordinary courage and activity ; denied that any disgrace attached ,to that Expedi tion, and lamented that Lord Wellington should have b .eit set up, .as he I air. Y.) thought, as a mark fur e. mere and attack ; and if -teat' dispusi. lion was 'tot illscuniiiiiied by the •leatling emirate. tors or that •Lleuse, and of elite country, it might go far towards oar ruin. He alluded particularly to General Tarletmes having called his ;centime rash, and spoken in terms ut censure on a brother °Seer not present to defend himself. Sir JOHN SEBRIGH 1' said, ho should not have obtruded himself on the House, but for some uhaervatione which had fallen from the Bight Hoe. Gentleman who hail just sat down. That Right Hoe. Gentleman could net wish inure than he did to sue the. G , ..t.ruineto t of the country properly sepportiel. N o man cutlet be more desirues then he %Vivi te give it every assistance in his power ; bet to the present awful crisis of this country and of Europe, he thought his Majesty's present Mi. nisees totally incapable of carrying on the go vernment of the country, by a due discharge of those important duties necessarily attached to it. Ile gave the Right Hon. Gent. who was at the head of the Administration, full credit fur his integrity, but that was not all that was required. Ili asldi. titre to integrity, there should ho a determination to du strict justice in every department, and he 1 could have wished that he had evened, saactionste't and used his power to •forward inquiry. Lie was sorry to hear of dissensions having taken place in the Cabinet : nothing could bo inure injurious to the interests of the country. When he heard of a mutiny in any regiment, he always lookeil• to the Commanding Officer as the person responsible for all its conseteienees, which must have resulted from his inctentien to discipiue, and the due exertion of the authority entrusted to hen. lie, fur his own part, thought all the late failures entitled to the term ' 6 disgrace." If an Admiral, with a large and preEaseful fleet entrusted to his command, was to amuse hinged( with attacking a few smuggling boats, he should think it was a disgrace to the fleet ; and when he looked to the übjeet of merely taking Welcheren,. he could term it no- oilier thaw en absurd expedition. Had they even taken Ant• were and the 12 sail of the line, about which they made so much noise, it would' nut* have deserved the praise of tins country, when contrasted with the immense ex pence that attended it. As a diversion , in favour of Austria, it would not have drawn a single 'nee from ,the banks of the Danube. Ile ridiculed. the idea of destroying the Basin at Flush. . ine. With reset ct to the glorious battle of Tale- Ivera, as itetiad been frequently called, lie week! say a few words. There were two glories *each .ed to an artily, the glory of the steelier, and the glory of the officer. The gluey of the soldier con. anted in patiently suflerine under fatigue, strictly &klieg the commands of his officers, and cou raeeuusly discharging his duty in the field of bat. tie; this glory had been almost uniformly main. cawed by the soldiers in the British army, with. out any instaece of its being materially injured.. Tet: glory of the officer was, in taking care fur the due Provisioning of the soldiers limier his coin. limed, of keeping up us exact end sit ict ilis. cipline, and of keeping his courage subservient to sound reason feel true judgment. To Lord Wellington, splenithe talents and great bravery were universally allowed. It retnainee, therefore, t o see how lie had used them in the battle of Ta. laveca. It ought to be one of the first objects - of a grcat.General, never to expend ur waste his own courage, or that of the army under his command, except in cases where its exertion is likely to be of must essential service: When Lord Wellington moved forward, ho couldeout but have known that he must either have beat the French, or that they would. twet him. He did beat the French, and whit was the result ? Did he derive from his I glorious victory any real or su bstantial adv a n t a g e, either to,his own army, or to that of our ally a N one i whatever. .Ile was obliged immediately after it to make a eetreate—to lease his •hospital; and all his sick and wounded, to the mercy of the enemy. , Had he suffered cowl judgment and sober roue'' , to prevail, he might, before he slvanal, have) ascertained what he bails to depend on from his, Allies, and have avoided as useless deelay of Brie ' b t i l s o h o ' d. " Lo a g e r ' d a ; : v i c a n u e: g l i A u ti n c : ll . 4 :t ‘t. ir in twi ;7ld 4 ; f h ll ai r l iti co l t vcred himself with the brightest ttesrels•; yes, his Nunes had inured the very esso:cirof laurel, fur ' they bad produced -laurel...water, which was one of the sisungesl and atom Wight pe4pos • imowa m.: f ."' V •7 7 77 7 .. • . . . • - in the world. He next adverted ft; this late ex. • t t i r o, a i o i, riia .iltni tat d e disposal of a e lor pl t a h ces e present , Aiftisinistra. which hi'said had been offered in a most scandalous manner, and had bee* must universally refitted. The Right Hutt. Goet. who spoke last had extolled the loyalty and courage of the Right Hon. the Chancellor of the Exchequer fur standing by his . Sovereign, when others had refused to co-operate with his Adminis.' tration. Did the Right Honourable Gentleman mean to say, that he was thereby entitled to an exclusive right to the favour of the Crown ? He (Sir T. Sebright) would yield to no man in Joyal ty ; but he feared that the word loyalty had of late been so much prostituted to party purposes, that it would lose great pert of its former consequence. No man had a right to identify himself with his Majesty, and from that word loyalty being au much misused, he was afraid much harm might be produced. It was clear to him that the present was a utmost incapable and imbecile Administration ; and the vital interests of the Empire imperiously demanded that a new one should be formed. Of whom that Administration should consist, it was not for him to say ; but the situation and welfare of the country required, that it should be coin. posed of men capable of contending with Bona parte; of men who would actively and immediate. s ly ftirward inquiry into the abuseA existing in the isdintry, and adopt such measures as would pre. vent their future recurrence. Thinking thus, he felt , it at present a duty which he owed to himself and to the country, to do all in his power to remove the present Mihisters—not, ho declared, from any personal dislike he had to all or any of them, but front s thorough conviction that t hey were nut capable of administering the affairs of the Go vernment. If they could acquire any accession of strength which would in his mind render their efforts . likely to prove efficacious, he would still support them. As to what was called political consistency in that House, he could not but laugh at it, as the very essence of inconsistency. lie would always support an efficient Adminis. tration, whose measures appeared to hint to have for their object the public welfare, let the men who composed it be whom they might. He was sorry to hear the allusions which had been made to. the character and conduct of Mr. Pitt ; as to that illustrious Statesman, he thought himself ill.' &teed far belts; at that moment speaking in that !louse, and fur the possession of every foot of land lie was then able to call' his own. Much as he despised popular favour,. he was afraid the vote of the night before last, would be of mis. cliievous tendency. In saying what he had dune, he had delivered the genuine sentiments of his mind ; and though they might not be alioweil to be those of a wise man, he could assure the House they were those of an honest one. Mr. WHITBREAD rose and observed, that be had an Ameutlment to oiler to one part of the Ad dress which had been just read to the House. • In proposing his Amendment, it was nut his intention to go into the various topics which had been intro duced into the preceding debates, nor to anticipate any of the points which would become the subject of disCussion to-morrow. The matter which ho was.thee to submit to the notice of the (louse, ho was induced to bring forward In consequence of what he h,,a said on a foimer night. Ott that occasion he had declared his regret that the Ad dress contained no pledge on the part of• the house, either as to the propriety or the necessity of the adoption of ally economical reforms. It ap !'peareil to him, in the present situation of the cone. 'try, when the subject was taxed, though not altoge ther, yet almost to the full extent which it wits pos. Bible to bear; when he saw the great profuainn of all the departments of the State, and the pro digal waste of money iu the public expenditure; when he saw the Right lion. Gentleman (the Chan cellor of the Exchequer) surrounded by men whom he thought prop& to employ, and "who were known not to be' friends to economical re form ; and more - particularly, without meaning .iity disrespect to the individual, when he saw an Hun. Gentleman (Mr. Wharton) who had been Chairman of the Committee of Ways and Means, and afterwards, as a Member of the Finance Committee, had, by' his opposition to the Chairman of that Committee, prevented it from making the progress which it other wise would hav;done, in the Session befoie the I last, made a Secretary to the Treasury ; when he contemplated - all- those circumstances, lie felt strongly the necessity of that House giving the sa tisfaction of a distinct pledge to consider and adopt some system of 'economical reform. That the Gentleman to whom he alluded, would, as he ) had himself moddstly stated on the farther night, learn to perform' his duty, ,he,hatt tee dohht ; yet, whilst that Gentleman was learning,' the public service must sniffer. Bet though the Hon. Geri- Itemise were to be possessed of all the knowledge necessary for the performaneb of 'the duties of his office, still, as he did nut entertain the sane views with himself as to the necessity oVeciattueny and reform, he could nor look' upon Mai as! a proper prison to be' appointedlie the slivationhe had beep . ' lately appaite,ilj.d. . 'Upon Maw: considerettutti, -there - fore, lie thoeght it necessary (*sr that 'goose; to give a distinct pledge to Alit pht! its that , i t, it wouldnvei igh: plans 'of eedts umicift - •Agosl' nut alone with a view to actual saving; .iii which• way nothing very ' material was to be .ellpeeted immediately, but also for the satisfac t tiow iff. •the people, Islip' ,had cheerfully submitted , to the must extensiveitacrifices—nut only to the 'pressure of a severe tauttion, but to a system, of Mat* which operated - uputt them itt a manner the most oppressive, end.griuding in the extreme. He should cot then trespass length. OH the attention of the House, but leave his Amendment to speak for its;: self. After the paragraph in the Adaress, which' relates to the Supply to his Majesty, he should propose that a paragraph to the following effect should' be inserted : .. " Taat in justice to hi. Majesty% subjects, who haye so. lung' and so patiently borne a system of severe taxaOja i, which the long continuance of the W‘tir : has, readesetktieos sail, they would immediately apply Ai:Melees - to the and adoptitin of such an "ienorimlail Reform as would uouguly Imuuteastrat with the welfare .of . the 'Bute. but gratify toe fieli ri gs. and Immune degie; attestant pirautp• !gringo of a loyal People." -" - • . • -. • tfr • • .0 • Pi - • =ft' r . , -- -- - On tiorateition being . put itiii the Austad. ment,„ . The'(;HAttELLOR Of the EXCIIEQUER deelkted, that ' Whig opinion thertt was no occasion for i fiOdekion of, the kneed/mitt of the Hon. -Gentlentan, an& expressed Fels confidence that the Quote Would not agree tutt: The Spec%h of his Majesty had Creed) , ass9ed the House, that every attention would bo' paid to economy in the public expenditure. If they were tstegrc . 3e to the Amendment of the Hon. Gentle Man, an impres. 'lion might go abroad that some considerable saving was to be expected—an expectatioo, which, ac cording to the viewer the lion. Gentleman hiss. self, could not be realized. As to *hat the lion. Gentleman had said with respect to the grinding operation of the taxes, he wouli appeal to the House whether it was right to hold out to the country, that taxes imposes] by laws enacted by its Representatives in Parliament, ever. severe and oppressive, as the Hoa. Gentleman, had repre. . sented them. If it should be necessary, the La gislaturc might revise aid amend eq . -till: 1 1 Will as might be found to be oppressive ; but it oeuld not be right to hold out to 'the public such repre. sentations as those which had fallen from the Ho. nourable Member. On the subject of the great expenditure, the language of the Speech contained a pledge of economical management ; and as to --the economical reform adverted to by the !Vlour able Gentleman, that would be attended twin the course of the Session. The Amendment asserted, 'that the pledge to economical reform would elle. Mate the sufferings of the people; but if little re. lief was to be expected; was it not dangerous to 'hold out prospects which must . be frustrated ? If even that reform were to be practically car ried into effect as to some offices, the same ob jection would sail lie against others, unless it wait couteuded that all such offices should be abo lished, and none left at the disposal of the King, fur the reward of eminent public services. The Resolutions of the Finance Committee were to be followed up, and that Committee -revived. The limiourahle Gentleman, -whet Nam tChairman of that Committee, was resolved to move for its re. vival. This he had •informed him of in an inter view, which teak place at his desire; because he wished to know whether the Hon. Member:meant to take up the business, as otherwise he should have felt himself bound to. make a motion upon the subject. He should -therefore oppose the Amendment, as unreasonable and unnecessary. Mr. PONSONBY admitted, that his Majesty's Speech promised-attention to ecouwiny, in forming the estimates df the public expeoditare. 'But the , Amendment of Ids Honourable Friend related tor points nut at all connected with a war expendituYept it referred to such salutary reforms, at in Bence or in war might be resorted to, and witieh weie 404ive particularly necessary to be adopted jive - wiled at war. . i _t . '. • 4 ~ Mr. B. BATHURST said, that the laiguage 00 • the Speech and Address appeared to hhe to 'refer only to the frugal disbursement of the public ex. penditure, and-nut to those measures of ecossoml. cal reform which every Gentlemen Must Alegi - to be necessary. But these measures were la this hands of the Committee, which wht to be reviver' ) as the House knew, from the daybeing fixed fur the motion for that purpose. -What-he betparsi. cularly in view, in thiog, was to natieti *hat.had fallen from an lion. Baronet (Sir Fretteiti Bur dett) early in the discussion, respecting i Noble ' Relation of his (Lord Sidmouth). lie had not been in a convenient situ oleo fur hearing dn.! Hon Baronet distinctly, and if he had misconceived or mistaken his obseriations; be would bo glad to be eorracted fi, him. The lion. Baronet, as he understood him, had stated, that his Noble Rein. tam .. had been raised to, the Peerage in con. sideration of his having entered into the *silent war. 'New he begged to sd the limmurable Ba- ronet tight on this point, and to asstirciiirthat he had been misinformed upon the subject. It was nut until his'relation's accession to the Admi nistration of Mr. Pitt that he had received that mark of his Ylajesty'a favour. 116 would keg leave to state further, that when his . relation was retiring from office full of the favour of his Sovereign, he hail declined a higher title than that which bad since been bestowed ,upon him; and also the offer of some pernoiery proxi: lioli, which it would unquestionably here been necessary for his Majesty to have applied to Par. • liament to enable him to fulfill, Mot to which he might be supposed to be entitled, not alone front his conduct as a- Minister, but (rota his lerrices ' in the Chair of that House. • Sirj FiIAbICIS BUROBTT, in :tiliitinstion, - Stated, that in the observation to whicll-t t lte:Ho. ' nourichie Gentleman took exception',!', „wily meant testate in ginteral, that the elevall . ,t, the , Peerage was in general ill bestowed; bet e"wotild . owe, that he was yet to Darn, what hid been the services of the Noble Person alluded to, t?et could . 0 entitle him to that distinction. . . . , . . .4 . - Lord TEMPLE frilly agreed, 'that it !mold not be right to hold out_expectations to the 'public, %%Kett could never be realised;.. bat, if that Houae should manifest no wish or dispositioe, . a Juquiry, the people wiaukl begin to suspect, ''th4A4licy were not sincerely bent upon any salu. ' tar iteform whateter. The Right lion. Gent. /(50,...Itathurst) had referred them to-the Finance eilo4aittteo ; yet As •no such tribunal was in exist. ce ! ..lidid not look upon that atlin Argument against ii c Amendment of his lion:- Friend: There . might a notice have been given of a motion for the revival of that Consnlittee ; but sae no such faults! existed, and he wa;;ltenvinced of the necessity of giving souse pledge bf RefOrm to the - POW, he • should support the Animidnient... ~',,„'4 0. ; , . . . Mr.'WHARTON, as some .perioe . Ilusions i tu r been made to him, treated i ho sh ' R ite ha. thiliiitl by the. House in a tel inbservat The *mirk. of the Right Hun. antr i lion. Gentleman proosite,..upon ate littlivitioal.sach as- himself, •lie Inge consider A celniilimilat.., Bee whilst tidy . cuilhnoththitn to him 'rtarsouillY, and .his'aeoept. iiinCe of the ellit.Wite had the hoopoe' to held,' be w Wir.no.ilivpusition toitotke them. • 'lV**, lloWei r '' ' lever, ullubiuns were mode to iiii . lec•iiisti of fe '‘" Member of the leineMei Costreittee,Alli met_ t r' ll If dired himself buuud to say a fo p words., ;$e eel 'IP .:1 • , ! •. r , tit! • ~,~ . • IN P. 4 he if it a ke 4 S • I 0 r • I, y • r 0 a • It 0 it It r 1 4 I . d e t .