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\ time also crinespertainineutral r du t as. Ninetrality, property considered, don out consist in tallnz advantage of every situation lirterees brlligerrot state; by which emolument may accrue to the Neutral, whatever stay he the consequences to either belligerent party ; but in oh. *erring a strict and Ilsourrst impartiality, so as not to aford advantage in the war to either ; and particularly 10 su far testmining its trade to the accustomed course which it Mild is time of pante, as nut to render assi•tance to one . . 'went in wapiti the effect of the other's hostilities. Tbe ditty of • neutral is--. 9001 heterponere se hetio, non Joule insou mate &Wan ergo re r and yet it is manifest, that lending a ilentral navigation to carry oil the coasting trade of the enemy, in la direct contradiction to this deliiittiou of neutral obligations, as it is, in effect, to rescue the commerce of the enemy from the distress to which it is reduced by the supe riority of the British navy, to usnt his resources, and to present Great Britain fruits bringing hint to reasonable terms ITo of . i ts mt a stop therefore to this species of trade, is a mea ger; wMch might easily hare been justified without reference to the late cundnct of France; mid even if the Danish na vigation were likely to suffer some inconvenience from it, there would not exist any just ground of complaint : but vises it is the only step in the way of retaliation which has hitherto been adapted on the put of 'the British Govern ment, His Majesty's forbearance mid magnauintity must ap pear emineutly ronspieuous. lf, after all, the probable rousequences of this measure are gentemplated with any degree of temper, they will appear tellber likclv to prove beneficial thau otherwise to tile Usnish 5: The products of the hostile countries will of nixes illail their way iota Neutral countries, not only for eon but for reexportstimi i Deninark will then lie . Avast cierepot ; her nwrigattni will not hare the less - t ; the real boon f i de commerce of her subjects be extended, and her revenue at the saute time will be t oonoidevably benelltod. ' The enemy, it h Dare, will suffer by the enhasxed price • which be mot pay for the articles which he imports, when Ibis -dared price swell _rye under • conaidert. the part . expused to slay declare rev , .te 'ranee shall of theist rrpealt ci it. expressed, , sad maul houourable Intriitinio fairly I appear that displays itself support of the i sul4ects, and unqualifretl tint* pro- wanting the wet. .a his part, noth, apinst centinsaucc cf det •r -_r Panic, reitber John I . , _ _ __ _ - 17 elected , , efaitp ssatat was ifienwe a ; nt. a` '' *44 ' 4 J_ • . row swim' d dee a bargees, in MOTO &Sir R. 7 • , ••••••••-••••‘. g ait ippiesied 4 su rd Report. , • ';`• hperupg dna deriarration the Sussex Eke / lon PI . , tasniarrare t leas discharged, and ordered to be taken womaidorathie on Thursday, the 24th of March mot. ,• - I r Act fur reguinting the Roman Cot th , in !Maud, *as hrocight up, geed a *ll, 'lu be read a second time to-nuo r • : tin the motion intr. best, leave of absence was fives, • No • swank, twee IdellielPopiiim, ea account of ill health. • Os account at Ilia *der, mr. t.c int i ICUTON poetputied the vessieu, of which by Jowl giver' notice, to some futtere ' day, Ayr the flop capiain's recovery. Oa Ilbs motion of Hirkinn Ntwt`Oß.T, there were ordered • le NOM bsfore the House, retorts of the Number of gallons • ofspl•lbellutillea to Crept &Rola and Ireland, upon which genes h••• bees paid, sleet O. 'eel' 1505. t The $t fur esslgiag the Bank to grant 300,00c1. upon • gefleeldelue secarity, sad Mee the Bill for r nabling them to • MIMS@ die own of 3,eoo,ocieL upon the tenns therein • wad, for the service et the prow tine, were severally , Etivellitit up, read a Arse, nod ordered to be read a second -Moe, to...arrow, and to he posted. •Mr. Hu.• tow I, brovlst up a Bill fur abolishing the Of. ebb of Surveyor of thibeidaes on petty I ustorns in the Port of • Lauder', which was read a first, and ordered to be reed a De . . awl Owe to.fterreer. 17.. r Safer rertleting the office of Treasurer of Die J iblejany's Nary, art 414 arm! Trade-Bill, were severally read 4 thud time, sad poised. ... Sir Cnan Las Pula gave a notice for to-morrow, which we coild not distinctly hear, 4...1t which, we itiidurstoml,. related to 00111 e of the lisp of the C'oininissioners of Natal Inquiry. MEDIATIONS AND NEGOEIATIONS FOR PEACE. Mr. WHITORESD rime and gave notice, that upon this day fortnight he should submit a proposition, or propositions, of the nature of those of which he had lately tires) notice. leis oect was to obtain the opinion of the House upon the conduct oTGo veronica us to the Russian and Austrian media tions, and to seevriaiwa their sense of the propriety mfailopting the pre senttperind to open Negociations for l'eace. In the menu time, it was also his in tention, to-toorrow, to move for certain papers pro-, [oratory to tin said resolutions, and particularly a chapatti), containing the particulars of a converse tion between the Emperor of Ricoh' and the per ion accredited by His Majesty's Government, at the Court of fit. Petersburgh. Mr. CAN :IMO obverval, that ins to any dis patch coittnining a conversation of the bind alluded to, he should only now state that he should . think c4his duty' to oppose it. Mr. 1% UlTiltaXn added, that he knew of in stances. in which dispatches, containing cvmversa- Ann.. with Bove:gas n( Europe, have spore than ~ . • once been laid re the Howe. • • WAY/ AN b MEANS In thit Comwtil tee Ms. 41 tilt ISSON moved a Re gelation) " That the seat of I v,.500,0001, be mired 17 Loan on Exchequer Rills, for the service of (,rent itritain, for /903."—Report to-morrow. Mr. NV A irroie put a question to the Right Hon, , the Chancellor off lbw Exchequer, for the purpose , i lia *taming, what was his intention upon the sub the Assessed Taxes, fur if no measure was be soon adopted relative theoata, he should think *his (dir. Warton's) duty to tomcat some num owe ref consoquem*". CAA X L.LI.LO it of the Excnxqt; E a answered, ..„... _ • •r , •sghaglasfllt this circuitous mode, and he the reduce t glethich be will be obliged to dispose of liis exports, 1 as the issereameddiaieulty of cueifrialg his rounnere, ""••• e 113 X. But it is presimod that three eon ass t famish ally jest cause of complaint OR t ' ef Detheark, the neel trade of w Wish cirititry will, tu i ~,, babilitb be evestaally rather benefited than exposed • r injury kern the toeseetee in quertion. t' the whole, the l'adersived lis in , eueted to to N. Rimy that His Majesty cannot he induced to , • the Order ha Cerricil of the 76 January ' till Franco • • ' Pit earsestessosil from setaivon the Decree of tl , bet shall bare publicly and formally repel ' albasill4 Denmark arlla re I. the resolution she has exp Ple.o o 4lo l lldte tiajwit peetension• of the enemy, and • thehligheedispeeitioe te maintain a reef and Isom Oa is very Bar frets His Hisiseit'S wish or inl 'o4lleeiriptilhi easy of the advantages which fairly i m wmc . _wpm in lle dm., bet if gellortnaately it shall appal i . ONO trestrelity iteterkqe k 4 mot assertlon„ and display , W le rentonstruares tra her part, against such area • Majesty is justly authorised to adopt, in support • at hie Gee., and the interests of bia sat4ect 'bawl, ill the Wet Complete and unqualil tlifleatemice in every deataaast whit% the enemy inay tbii • • 6 •2 B4l ol l lbilhtes the 'ties would considt r himself as iv I ‘.. /4 .. .„. tin* wWth be owes to hi ewe honour and t' ~., ;`...4 61 elketisieee, were be to emit taking, on kl 1 l Seth airomeree es Easy be necessary to accuse both, I the i r on oarb met ~, ecresarily ache from *cantina . i #Olicheoaduet MB the part of the Haaids Government. t teirral HOW' • . ... 1 , I , ... - . /.. ' I 11IPER141 4 .. P. 4 le LIAMENT ~. . :1:7 i ..•••••••••• IR OM OF COMNIONS—FeII. 15- • . *MI the Cashhittee appoieted te try end • i dui tleg gt Ibe ulr ige all. • E rt se " ; ;: f irt 3 h, ili th em at ber rei f'r tbe ' i Illachmak i ;Se BRUM hi. Iltzrtosi, were ,' a gi r O ateri tor alit Orr eitisq, bet that JubuJellerY, E 5 - . thit he had mentioned, the other day, in'coale quence of a representation made to him, that it was not hi. intention to loring in the Bill upon that sub ject in its pigment shape, but iu an amended state, SO as to obviate every olicetion to it. At what par ticular tone ha should be able tti bring it forward, it was not yet iu his power to state to the House.— lio could assure the lion. Gentlensao, that no un necessary delay would be occasioned, so that he might p ostpone his intention of making a motion upou the subject. ORDERS OF couscil. Mr. Ports*Nay rose, and again questioned the Right Ilon. Secretary opposite, us to whether he raeaut to lay upon the 'ruble the 'hirer.. he had formerly called fur, previous to the second reading of the Bill upou the Orders of Council ? Mr. CANNING answered, he understood the Chancellor of the Exchequer would have no ob jection to postpone the seroud reading of the Bill alluded to for three or four days, us the psocrs sought for related more particularly to our ►elations , with America than to any other country, sail there fore the 'louse should have time to consider them, Previous to the discussion. The CIIANCULT.OII of the EXCHEQVPIt stated, that it had been his duty to (*elicit information as far as possible us to the nature of the papers al luded to, in order to ascertain whether or not they were ab solutely necessary to the discussion of the Bill in question % I bt mold now assure the !louse, that they were not really necessary tin that purpose. He felt great anxiety to get the Bill read a second time, M order that the public might be apprised of ie real nature of the Measure intended to be adopted upon these orders. There had been un opinion expressed the other day, that the subject of the negociation with America was naturally con nected with that of the Orders of Council ; in his opinion, it was extremely desiroble, if possible, to prevent any diseuslion whatever as to that. ne eociation in the present state of utfairs between the two countries. 11 e, theretiwe, could see no reason fur postponing ~the second reading of the Bill beyond to-morrow the day originally fixed. Mr. TIERNTY thought there were various. rea sons why the second reading of the Bill should be postponed until the Papers relative to the Nego ciations with America, should be before the House. Every one of the neutral ships that now came into this country, were obliged to give hood in a man ner not sanctioned by Parliament. Ile could we no injury likely to arise from the pouponement of the measure now suggested by Ministers, so far as. related to America, the more especially as they had thought proper to postpone the meeting of Parliament from the 11th of November, to the 41st of Avery.. He could assure the Right Ho nourable Gentleman, that there was no wish on his side of the House to produce delay, tnercly for the purpose of bringing up fiends, They (the Oppo sition) only wished that the matter might be tho roughly understood, and not to occasion the House unnecessary trouble. Ile should, therefore, sug gest the propriety. of postponiug the second reading of the Bill to Thursday next. The t:IIANCSLLOII of the Eecueousa added, that it was his duty to look to the public interest, and he could not help thinking that it would be attended with great inconvenience. were the Bill to be further delayed. lie would rather meet the conseipiences of the debate than the delay. He should therefore persist is moving the second read ing to-morrow„when it might be open to any gen tleman to move the postponement. Mr. l'oneosatt said, that it was only within these ten minutes that any person had got possession of the Bill, and it was therefor... perfectly novel to move a discussion of such a Bill the very next day. The CIIANtELLOII of the EZCIIEQUEIt observed, that the principle of the Bill had been *trendy dn.' cussed in a former stage of the proceedings, Sir ARTHUR PIGOTT thought it would be more convenient to discuss the propriety of postpone ment this day than to-mon-ow. The Right Hon. Gentleman had not condescended to tell the. House of any one incosvenienre that would attend its postponement to Thursday. Stilly did he (the Chatictllor of the Exchequer) agree to the laying of these pipers before the House, if they were not necessary to the reading of the Bill in question, when that was the very object for which they were moved ? Could that Right lion. Heathenism really suppose that any of the Members of the House could be wishing to delay the pmgress of that Bill, from any other motive than that of getting possession of all necessary information before they discussed a bill so extremely novel and so very important? It was a measure which went to introduce a new code of Maritime Laws. a new mode of Legislation in `this country, whirl, affected the tribunal of all other nations, and therefore lie at least hoped, that Right Honourable Gentleman woad r lesceild to ac knowledge it was not unreasonable in the House .s•orjnesting to be previously possessed of all necessary infiwinntion previous to the discussion of it. • Mr. Rose did not see that the papers in ques tion were at all necessary to the discussion, as they did nut at all apply to it. However unusual it was to discuss a Bill the next day after it was printed, yet it was not irregular in this ease, as the principle of the measure had already been discussed upon the resolutions whirls had passed the Committee of Ways mid Means. • The SPEAKI:a observed, that be did not conceive t there was as yet any question before the I louse. Mr. Wficrasesb said, he should istov,• the post- "Pk poaeusent of the second reading to l'hursduy next, it sal as he thought it might admit of an exception as to - "loon any previous notice tieing necessary, the more so, he I ' l6 ° U 5 eertaia new provisions were to he introduced in- EinPire , to the Bill. lie should, indeed, rather suggest the en. 'tt'ani '- withdrawing of the present Bill, and iutreducin g a I"tical tow* new one as tunewled. It was a question which ins- hrtr , terially involved the fate of this country as to a war bee rent aft with America: It was, therefore, indisiumsahly ne- that Expeditio, cautery to be acquainted with all the pupers, be- mere tell in the fore they entered upon such a momentous iitiew. gard to the mot thin, the more especially, when he believed these apparently unprov. Orders were so little understood by those who is- ['edition. to soothe Tad sued them, that they were nut able to an the been attended w i questions put to them by the merchants who felt ern sifted to the hot, themselves interested in thesis. .11e, therefore, lied fat..!lntket . Parik should Move, ° That the order of the day for the ' 1 isittied- - bar!' second rending of the Bill in yµestiuu tO-41)0, 1 1. / . eseflieter ee,ei be Mid fee the purpowi of being discharged.," an* sotaviromi Mr. lingua said, he certainly dill rug *ad tre , r 410111., • stand that the principle or policy of the measure had yet beau discussed. The CUAN CELLfill of the EXCHIEQUER said, that whatever objection existed to the policy of the measure, it was us necessary to have been discussed upon the former .proceedings upon these Orders as it could be upon the second reading of the' Bill.— Although the Gentlemen upon the other side of the House did not then choose to argue upon the policy of it, yet they could not say Litt that it was open to them to do so. It was totally inconsistent with the rules of the House to make such a mo tion withnut notice, the more especially when the second reading had been so long under expectation. They might, with as much propriety, move the postponement of it for six weeks, or six months. The papers wished for would he very voluminous, and could not probably be produced iii time even for a discussion on "l'hursday, so that, upon the same footing, they would Lc wishing a postpone ment to a still later day. If, however, they thought Thursday would be more convenient than Tuesday, lie should not persist iu opposing it ; but beyond that day lie thought it would prove most incon venient and detrimental to the whole trade of the country. Lord Haters Pe Try said, he could recall to the r.vollection of the Hight Hon. Gentlemau, that the question was, upon the former occasion, to which lie had alluded, entirely confined to the legality of the measure. He (the Chancellor of the Exche quer) when he first laid the Orders of Council upon the table, stated, that he should labour under a disadvantage; should the polici of one of the Orders be discussed in the 4ominittee, and others not, bet that there Ovoid be a facility after wards atiliriltal to the House to argue the policy of the whole of the Orders of Council together. He, (the Clianeellor of the Exchequer) hit's/ever, soon afterwarls changed his object, alld dhow to enter at considerable length spoil the policy of them ; but from what he had previously stated, it wvs not entered upon minutely, whatever might be the dispo,ition of the House to do so. Upon these grounds, he thought itwould be most prudent not to fix any day fur the second reading, until the whole of the documents were completely before them, and fully considered. Mr. CANNING said, he thought this was an at tempt to take the House by surprise, arid if such a plan was followed, there would be henceforward no security for any order fixed fur a particular day being attended to. Mr. SHERIDAN said, that this was by no means a new proceeding; it was, on the contrary, as old as the old nmmlity of the Right Honourable Gentle men opposite, by which they proposed that the country• should get rid of all its old proceedings. If the papers were not necessary to the forth coming discussion, why did they grant them ? If they were necessary, why not give them time to consider them ? He should approve of post polling the second reading of the Bill till the House were completely acquainted with all the necessary documents mid information. Upon the question for discharging the said order of the dry, the house divided— For the mead Trading to-morrow Foe &Kim ring it Majority iii favour of 'crow! reading 37 Upon our re.adinission, we still found the House disci/suing the original question. as to the propriety of postponement. on account of the Chancellor of the Exchequer having previously agreed to the short postponeineet at first proposed. from which concession he deemed himself abiolved by the divi sion which had taken place. The SPEAKER observed, that he could hear no thing further in the shape of debate upon the same question, which had been thus put at rest by the sense of the House being taken ; ?won which Earl Timms moved, •• That the [louse do ad journ." Mr. PONSOMMT said, that as it was not in his power to oblige the Right Hon. Gentleman to agree to what was origiuZly suggested, he should, therefore, then give notice of his inteetion to move, to-morrow, for the uecessory postponement of the second reading. After some further conversation, the CRANCEI. I.OR of the EXCW:QUEL having prevailed upon the Home to acquiesce in the conditions upon which he had first consented to a temporary postpmie meot, renewed that concession, so that the second reading of the Bill stands fixed positively fur Thurs day next. Earl TEMPLE then withdrew his motion of ad journment, which was again put from the Chair, and the House then proceeded to other business. EXPEDITION TO CONSTANTINOPLE. Mr. TAYLOR Me. in pursuance of a former no tice, to move for informutiou, npoa what principles the Goveimeent of this country Inwl proceeded to invade the Turkish Empire, with which Power we were in perfect amity ? and as to what circumstances had intervened to prevent the effectual execution of the plan which had been so suggested? These points, he trusted, acre sufficiently important to at tract the attention of the Houses the more - ctally they found that Expedition wrapt up in mystery. Ile did seriously hope, that when d we ed thus to make war with a country that z rez up to us as friends and protectors, some emninunication could be made to the House as to the cease of such a sudden ruptiare. When be first gave this notice, lie felt considerable diffidence upon the subject, having only communicated upon it with one or two ,Nleurbers of the House. His reasons for walertaking such a task were, that he had been for a short time in the Turkish Empire, and had observed the manners and customs of the people, and their friendly dispo sition towards this country. With this buoys ledge, when he beard of die Expedition that had been sent against them, and the bad success of that Expedition, he found himself the more and mere left in the dark, as well as the public, in re pird to the motives which had produced such an apparently unprovoked attack. Another late Ex pedition, to another quarter of the world, which had been attended with more success, • tad already been sifted to the bottom, and every information called for, asulyet Parliament seated to he passing over 41101! bow equally terKlitig to tarnish out chilfaelftr 11••• Ittlisiu mil to call in question tine segigitg.itad'peeroess of spud emir and navy The sokr sad ofq thilli4areitt.* writ as Usk puLl:, . I mu t naturtffl!lie lilame to the ori g i na l k , twilit' that ex ; and it behoved every vidoal colicel= wish fur explanatio n of natives ighich aetua a them. With these rant', he looped tt le House would not upon him, UP 'be more t xplacit ;n expressing opinion Jul chin; Any i n di v id ua l cola ' the. . 41 iihich he alluded. I t w lie sut; tit r hips to state, that with a ll the t i n tention hewr. .able of giving to the subje c t, could not'ffwan for whet that expedition w e there; u ,4 when there, why it caine so sudde . away. A that he and the public knew of the se ject was, that on the iath of January, 1807, the 13 fish Ambassador left Constantinople, and shoe afterwards a British fleet was sent to attack it, a , without having effected any thing, came away fr the Dardanelles. The papers he should theref move for, were for the purpose of ascertaitii all the circumstances relating to that expedi • what intervened when they were there, at what was the cause of their returning.—'p Hon. Gentleman then concluded with movie, " Au humble address, for the production of ; copy of the Treaty of Defensive Alliance b.twe, i Great Britain and the Ottoman Porte, signed In Sir Sidney Smith, upon the :27th January, 1797', copies of the Treaty between ltussia and the Otto. man Porte ; copies of the Correspondence with Il i; Majesty's Ambassador at that Court, in January, 1807 ; copies of the Secret Articles in said Treaty ; and of the Instructions seat to Admirals IMrd Culhimgwuod and Duckworth, and hear-Admiral Sir S. Smith ; and copies of the Dispatches and Correspondence between the several Admiral employed upon that Expedition." Earl TEMPLC seconded the motion. , _ Mr. CANNING said. he was in hopes that tom. Gentlemen, who took a lively interest in this gm*. tion, would have delivered their sentiments. Siace none had risen, however, he felt himself obliged hv the dictates of his public duty, to subinit the !louse his views of the policy and pr-1- priety of the motion. He begged, in the i;r•t place, to observe, that he believed this motion had been made without the concurrence, or any pre vious kuwledge, of any political party, or particular set of men. He had no knowledge of it whatever, until he heard the notice that had been given a kW' days ago, end had not the honour of any persol.4 knowledge of the lion. Gentleman. During the: interval that had elapsed since the notice, ht had iuvestigated the subject so far as circumstaueis would allow, and he should now state how far he Could comply with the motion that had been With regard to the Defensive Treaty there could be no difficulty in, producing •it, but with re gard to the secret articles sought for, relating to the mode of passing the Dardanelles, he was not aware that any - existed, but at the same time be could not say so with certainty. He could here no olection to the production of the dispatch of Lord Elgin. As to the copy of the Raman treaty is 1797, he could not but doubt the propriety of laying before the House treaties between other independent powers, except under very peculiar circumstances, when this country has been an acces sary to them. Ile might, however, notice that that production was rendered uuneceeiary, as the treaty alluded to was perfectly notorious to the public at the time it was entered into. The copies of the correspondence with His Majesty's Secretary et State were in the office, and might be produced; and he also presumed that the copies ofthe instruction to the Admirals might also he produced. As to dispatches from Sir S. Sisitit. he was not toUi if any such existed. Now as to the policy or pm pnety of this motion for papers, he should observe, that unquestionably :f there were nai so:ne individuals in 'the House who felt teem• selves implicated in the transaction, and who might wish the inquiry to go on, he sheulii think that there was no ground of public good likely to be derived from lastittiting it lathe present moment. lie thought,. therefore, that sa attempt to with-hold the information requireJ, might be liable to misconstruction and misrepre sentation. lie should rather. upon the whole, wish the House to accede to it. Not being aware of the view which they themselves were desirous of taking of this transaction. Ministers should not think it fit to take upon themselves the supplying e lea might be wanting in the care which the Elotiour able Gentlemen might propose to make out. I! would be for them, after these papers were pro duced, to suggest any supplementary document* they wished, anal he should only say, that if i!te partook of the nature of those already called fir. and no public inconvenience was likely to attend the production of them, they would find an equal facility in procuring them. The Right lion. THOMAS Gasirvtudt said, that some days ago he had had reason to state his sell'. timelits as to the course most convenient to hr adopted in regard to the subject of the Dardaisellcs. He was surprised to find the Right lion. Gentli man opposite. after the expiration of five or ax dm* since the notice had been given, unable to stilt, what were the papers wanting to make this motion more complete. He bad taken the opportunity lately of informing the Honae, that having quitted the situation of First Lord of the Admiralty, pre vious to the expe dition in. question, it was quite impossible for dm to foresee what papers His Ma , jesty's Ministers would think themselves justified and able to produce upon this occasion,, and of course that he should wait till he. learnt their ia teotions, and how far they meant toe/amply- with the motion. He could out but say that,it was now ab solutele necemary for him to crave the indidgenec of the house upon this sobjeet. Amongtthat psi•erB moved for. was the correspondence with Mr.Arbutl:- not. His Majesty's Minister at the Sublime l'ortee which would be very voluminous, and the other papers would be of pretty considerable length, ere:e• they fully produced; but it would be impossible for him to say how far Ministeis would comply with giving every information in their power. lie should therefore rather confine ' himself npon the present occasion. and he thought the opinion of the House ought also to be reserved till the productions were made. He even should hare wished the I Immutable Illover'had abstained front some expressions Arabic,' appeared to him to Mrs somewhat of a stresiger character to the real qui••• tion, than what belonged to it. till such time as th'' Horse was informed upon the subject. lie had stated theillualveutages which His biajestv's late