The Statesman. — London, England, 1812-06-04 00:00:00

r~ ~. I i s k t ~~: c . e $.. --per w - I.t(riptlAL PA It LIAM EN7'. HOUSE OF LORDS, Jritut 3. The House met about half past two o'clock, and writer%) it self into a Comm tee on the Orders in Cumuli. Ntr. Kh .re, of Birmingtiam, was examined until near five. Another a itsiess was ea11..(1. but was not in attendance. It WAS t Den stated by the Earl of Lauderdale, that the case of the Petitiow'rs ;vas closed reserving the privilege of calling a witness, mot o'lo' attending, if it should he intiogat necessary); and Earl It hoist Ins ;mated that it was intended to go on with tin. esamia..uun of wit nestl s.in favour of tile 41rtler , in Council on Matta ,y. The House theft faistrined, and the Committee was appointed to sit again on Monday, at two 0'e10...k. Mr. Smith, from tireeowich hospital, pi...sewed the annual a coins under toe late Prise Art, wait-) was ordered to lie on the table. The Irish fitiod Juries' Bill was, on the motion of the Earl of CLA N CA real asectitattime and crinietitt sl ivy Fiiil.l v. Tae On ke lia:11:A/Ii.1) iir- , enteil a Pe. Pion from :lie Pre sident and alembers of :lie Itsari or Agrivoloire. pray in; list aid mid wmich Was or,l , ted to lie 1111 Ilit• Mr:*l l l.lreVid . S Provisinti Bill +sac., oa the motion of the Carl of I.ll' It POOL, read a second time cart committed for Fsiday. The Earl of LI + - I:N.1'004 moved to adjourn till Friday. The 9h ke of NOR FOLK said a few words referring to 'some Ititl on the table. which we could tail distinctly hear. The Earl of 1,1 V Ell POOE sad he had no intuition of press ing the motion of adjournment if Noble Lord bad any bu siness to bring before the 'louse. Earl tilt Eli, who had jilt entered the Noose, said he had three Petitions to Pft'seni, which Lis presented, One was from several inhabitants of Margate, against the Morf.ite Pier Bill, which was ordered to lie on the table, an the t cti (loners to lie heard by Colima The second was from the Mayor and Burgessesof Bury, for opening the East India Trade; and the third from a number of Chrktiliss of all denominations, praying for the removal of all . disabilities on account of religi, ons opinions, both which were ordered to lie on the table. During the reading of the latter Petition, the Marquis Wel lesley entered the House. `• FAILURE IN FORMING AN ADMINISTRATION. The Earl of LIVERPOOL moved that the House do adjourn till Friday next. The Duke of NORFOLK.- 4 Previous'. to the adjournment of the House I wish, my Lords; to ask a question of the Noble Earl (Liverpool) opposite. If, however, the Noble Earl, who appears to be act ing iu the important station which we all know he held, is still Minister, and likely to continue so, I have no question to ask of . him. If also he is no longer a Minister., I have no question to ask of him ; bit! if he is only hlinister for two or three days, un til a successor is appointed, then I wish to have some information as to the present situation of pub lic atlairs?" The Karl of LIVERPOOL.—" My Lords, in answer to the question pot by the Noble l)uke, I have to state to this Ilnose that I am in the. 6/me si tuat'on in which I was last Friday sennight, and that in consequence of a well-known event that then took place, I am only continuing in that 'situation until his Loyal highness the Prince Regent shall be graciously pleased to signify his pleasure as to any future arrangement." The. Marquis W ::LLESLFX.--Ac Although, my Lords, I have not been personally called upon, I fe:.l it my duty to state to this House the share which I hare hail in the transactions which have re cently taken place, with a view to the forming of some arrangement to meet the alarming difficulties of the pre.eut crisis. My Lords, his Royal Highness the Prince Re4ent, acting in the name and on the behalf of his kajesty, was graciously pleased to luy his commands upon me to state to Ids Royal High ness my opinion with a view to the formation of au Administration. In obedience to those commands I stated to his Royal highness my opinion with all that derpronae which is due to his exalted tank, but at the same time wick all that freedom which, I humbly contend, it is a duty that a Privy Councillor owes to his Sovereign and the country to use. have this day tendered to his Royal Highness my resignation of the authority which his Royal High ness was pleased to vest in me, with a view to the arrangement of an Administration, which resigna tion his Royal Highness has been graciously pleased to accept. - My Lords, I deeply lament, that the most dreadful personal animosities, that the most terrible difficulties, arising out of questions the most complicated and important should have interposed obstacles to_prevent that arrangement which it was so highly desirable, which it was so essential to the interests and the welfare of the country to make.— That such personal animosities, and such difficulties, should have prevented the so much wished-for, the so highly desired and desirable arrangement, at so ardtions and perilous a crisis, is indeed most deeply to be deplored. In consecutence of these results, humbly solicited of his ltoyal Highness permission, a. .d his 'loyal llizheess was graciously pleased to give me full authority to state to this House, if your Lordships she, de,ire it, all the circumstances at teudiag t .e progress of this transtc'ion, in which I kite Lafi auy snare. But, my Lords, it I may be pernitte Ito advise your Lordships. that advice is not to call for such a disclosure, convinced as I am, rn.ist fully, that in the present situation of the coun try such a :lisclosure would be highly mischievous to the public. inter .sts. If, however, your Lordships command me to make the disclosure, I shall feel it my duel, and am ready to make it, but ;Mow me again t.) advise your Lordships nor to call for it, un der a fall conviction, that at the present crisis, it would lw highly mischievous." Earl STANHOVE.—. 44 My Lords, the Noble 'l'.,larquis having very handsomely stated his readiness _ . to make the disclosure to which he alludes, I think it becomes the duty of your Lordships, to call for that disclosure for the satisfaction of the country,l pr”ticttlarly after the declaration of the Noble Earl (Liverpool) opposite, that he is not a iViinister, but a daisy, a flower, that appears in bloom in the morning, that dies at night, and is no more thought of. I trust, therefore, your Lordships will feel it to he your duty to call for the disclosure to which the Noble Marquis edverts." • The Earl of IA M EltlcK.-- 44 My 'Lords, I rise as an individual, unconnected with any party, to ! dept.:rate the disclosure called for by the Noble Earl (Stanhope), and I trust your Lordships will adopt the advice given by the Noble Marquis, not to call for a disclosure which must, in the present cir cbmstunces of the country, be highly mischievous, and prejudicial to the ptiblic interests." Lord Gtt l N.V I My Lords; in agreeing In opiiiien as to the impropriety at the present mo ment, of calling for thcf.disclosure alluded . to by the Noble MerQuis, I may be permitted to state, that in the little sha.te N hich mw Noble Friend near me, and myself, have i:ad io ri transaction referred to, we have nothing to, disoise, nothing to/conceal, nothing Colt we snail pot be anxious should be publicly• stated, whenert i the proper moment fe,r to doling TILE STATESMAN. • . arrives. After stating this, little else remains for Brougham) should name that day for the debate up- I me to say, tier should I have risen upon the present oti the Orders.in Council. occasion, had it not been fo r the allusion made by i Mr. ROSE observed, that it was impossible that the Noble Marquis ti, dreadful perssnal animosities, the House could at so early a period be prepared for which had interposed ob , tlcles in the way of a wish- the discussion : the evidence given fit the Bar, •genes ed fur arising >merit... My .1.0 rd., for my Noble rally only in the presence of six or seven Members, a Friend and Myself, I cats most *distinctly say, that' could not be printed in time. we Wei t• artuated'hy no feeling of animosity, by no; Mr..BROUGHAM reminded Mr. Rose, that be personal feeling ellaterer ; that we were actuated by i tween five and six hundred pages had already been nothing but a feeling for, the public interests, a de- printed and distributed. site for the public welfare, and en anxiety to set i Mr., ROSE warmly protested against so hastj a aside every other consitkoation, save those which . proceeding. . - 1 arose out of pulilie prifselptes aid public interests, I TRIAD CUSTOMS DUTIES. and Ido most distinctly disclaim fitly of those feel- I The House resolved itself into a Committee of ins of pereetal animosity to which the Noble Mar- I Ways and Means, when quis has alluded." I Mr. W.PO LE proposed a Resolution for continuing 'The Earl of UV El1P0014.—" My Lords, I 1 the Irish ,Customs Duties, which expire on the sth feel it necessary to say a few words in consequence : July next, for another year. Of what has fallen from the Noble Barou (Gres-.I Sir JOHN NEWPORT objected to the vote, at vials), and lest my slime, should be construed into I a time when the country was destitute of an Esecu , an admission of being actuated by those feelings of ; five Government. i personal animosity, which have been alluded to by I Mr. W. POLE said, that all parties agreed in the the Noble Marquis. My • Lords, for myself and 1 propriety of the Resolution. itself, and he should those who have acted with me, I do most distinctly i have thought himself guilty of .a gross breach of disclaim any feelings of personal animosity. In my ° duty, if he bad not submitted to the Committee a conduct in this transaction, I 'have been only actu- I Resolution for continuing to the public creditors of ated by considerations of public principles and pub- ; Ireland one very important security for the re-pay lic interests, and by. no feeling whatever of personal ment of the debt. animosity. Having said this, it only remains for me : Colonel BASTARD acknowledged that the Right' Ito deprecate the calling for the disclosure:alluded to Honourable Gentleman had done his duty,. but the •by the Noble Marquis, and which I an satisfied . House had likewise a duty to discharge. lie, for would at the present moment be highly detrimental one, should uniformly object to any financial ma -Ito the public interests, nor *mild such a disclosure scar', until an Administration were formed. When 'at the present moment be either proper or decent." ' a new Government was established, he trusted that The Earl of MOIRA.- 44 Whilst I fully agritie s l some enquiry would be instituted, to ascertain whe- I my Lords, in the opiniow which has been expressed, : thee the immense taxation now collected were neces- I that it would be highly mischievous and improper So 'try for the maintenance of the State. • s make the disclosure alluded to by the Noble Mar-; The Resolution . was then agreed to. quis, I cannot but most deeply lament the anfortte• Mr. W. POLE brought in the Irish Loan Bill, mate turn which this negociation has taken. It• has 'which was read a first time. been my office, my Lords, in the course of this no- , ADMINISTRATION. gociation, to be the humble instrument of concilia. 1,. Mr. CANNING said, " Having been the channel' tion, and it has been rny , earnest enaeavour . to smooth of communicating to the House on Monday the cis ; those difficulties which unhappily interposed ob. ,cumstance that a Noble Friend of mine, Marquis ° stacles in the way of an arrangement so highly desi- ' Wellesley, had on that day received authority from ruble in. the present crisis of our file ; but I deeply : his Royal Highness the Prince Regent to proceed to lament to state, that differences and estrangements I the formation of a new Administration, I•feel it in . h ave a rendered those endeavours unavailing. My ° eumbent upon me this day to state to the House, be ' Lords, I believe, nay, I have no doubt, that persons I isg its possession of the information, that my Noble who interpose those obstacles, have convinced them- I Friend has this morning rhsigued that authority again selves that they possess a conciliatory disposition, I into the hands of his Royal . Highness. I shall ac ° and that they have induced their own minds to be. i cominmY this disclosure with no observation, unless Here, that what they urge is a fundamental principle ! I flight be permitted earnestly to deprecate discussion of the Constitution. I cannot, however, but lament' [hear, hear!), which can be productive of no good, i i that points of form should stand in the way of a con. and may lead to grest mischief, by kindling anirno- . ciliation, and an arrangement which is so essential to . sities, which are certainly not wanted to add to the ..i the interests and the welfare of the country ; but I i embarrassments of the country. Being now, how. am satisfied that it is aIL misapprehension, that no- ; ever, in possession of the information, and having thing hut misapprehension stands in the way, and I i been on the former day the channel of communica trust that before the House meets again, some ar- I tion of the one fact, I thought I should be guilty of ratigement will be made satisfactory to the cone -'something like delusion if I .had not communicated i try.' the other." • . - I Earl GREY.—" My Lords, I cannot but think Mr. MARTIN (of Galway) said, "After what that the Noble Earl who has just sat down has, in has fallen from the Right Honourable.Gentlenian, some degree, overstepped the line which other Noble the House may be assured that nothing •will proceed Lords have thought it right to adopt, in regulating from me that can in the least degree embarrass any , their conduct upon this occasion. lam thoroughly arrangimeut hereafter to be attempted, but as-a MeM- ' aware, my Lords, of the anxiety of that Noble Lord bar of Parliament,• I feel it my duty to ask one' in the service of the Prince who now possesses the question, and it is this; IS address- myself to the, . Sovereignty, and of his zeal for the public interests, Right Honourable and 'Aliened Gentleman opposite and it is to these motives alone that I attribute his (Mr. POnsontiy)." -- • 1 having, in my opinion, overstepped the line observed Mr. CALCRAFT rose to order. He admitted that by others upon this occasion. My Lords, the Noble a Nei:Went had . been the other day set of putting Earl (Moira) has spoken of points of form interpos. interrogatories to individual Members in their places, ing obstacles in the way of the proposed arrange- but he Aid not think that it was sufficient to au meat. lam anxious to remove any misapprehension thorise the practice. It would be recollected, that which may arise from this expression ; and I trust on Monday last the question had been read before your Lordships will give me credit when I slate, that he had objected; he now interposed to prevent the in the little share which my Noble Friend and my. reading of the question, as well as the answering self had in this transaction (only since last Monday), of it. we were not actuated by any consideration of points Mr. MARTIN replied, that had he not been sane i : 'of form, but by that of principles, which if. not fun- , tione.l by the proceeding of Monday last, he should damental to the Constitution, are at least essential I not have ventured to propose the question to. which ,to tke existence of a Government, with a view to the! he .was desiaous of obtaining an answer. If the interests and the welfare of the country. lam also I Ri g ht Honourable Gentleman (Mr. Ponsonby), after `anxious to remove any misapprehension that may lit had been stated, felt that it was a question which arise from an expression used by the Noble Marquis, ; he could not reply to, without difficulty, he (Mr. and which I confess I do not exactly understand.— I Martin) would not press it upon him. .; The Noble Marquis has spoken of dreadful personal I Mr.' CAL'CRAFT said, that the point 'was not e animosities interposing.obstades in the way of the 1 whether the question could be answered, but whether proposed arrangement. I trust that your Lordships ,it ought to be put in the manner proposed. The ! will give me credit when I state, and that the Noble ' practice of a former day had lent some support to Marquis will do me the justice -to acknowledge, that this mode of proceeding, but he thoUght that it in the little share I had in this transaction, I was not' ought not in future to be countenanced. actuated by any feeling of personal animosity, but Mr. MARTIN.—" Then I- will not put it in actuated one by public considerations, arising out al the form so much objected to. 1 will only say this , • . of my conviction of.public principles, and my view s e! to what cause is it to be attributed that' the nego- I public interests.— [The Marquis IVellesleptoddad as-ciation--" • i • scot, and caked Hear, hear!]—My Lords, such con- The Hon. Member was interrupted by loud cries , 1 • . selerations alone actuated my conduct in this transac. I of Order ! !• • 1 bon ; and when the proper time arrives for that con. - Mr. BARHAM declared his determination, if the . I elect to be known, such will be proved to be the fad: question were persisted in to takethe sense of the ' I for the present period, I am fully satisfied, is a mkt' Henn' upon It: 'Whether it sge're read from a writ- . i unfit moment for making the disclosure." ' ten paper, or put by word of mouth, could make no The question for adjourning till Friday was then difference; he warmly insisted; thatauch interroga- ; put and carried. . tories were wholly out of order.. r • • * Mr. MARTEN.--" I certainly shall not persevere. My object was to put the country in possession of the cause, as far sal was able to ascertain it, that the negociation set on foot, under the auspices of 'Lord Wellealey and Lord Moira, had failed. Finding-that it is not the sense of the House that I should proceed, I shaliAcquiesce. In consequence also of what. has fallen - from thti Right Honourable Gentleman on the door (Mr. Canning), recommending that the subject should net now be agitated, I shall abandon the no tice I have given—[Bear, kear I] The ether Orders of the Dry were postponed Un til Monday Maoist. • , After a few words from Mr. WILBERFORCE 'and M. RYDER, it-was ordered that the House re salve itself into a Committee on the Riots Bill on Friday next. The House then went into a Committee on the :Orders in Council, and Mr. Martin s of London, was called to and examined. .. HOUSE OF COMMONS. Lord JOCELYN informed the noose, that pursuant to Ad dreeet to the Regent, his Royal Highness bad o-dered that tlt representations made to the Privy Council. relative to the '''rts priety of laying an increased duty upon foreign ham. and the account of tile disbursements from the Drotts of the' Adatiraky should be laid before the House. ...._.......... Mr. %V 0 Y moved for lease to bring in a Bill to enable Justices oi'lhe Peace to aford parOchial relief to prismsemeon. fined under means prGeess far dent, in such jailsas: are not county jails.—After a single remark from Mr. Rose and Mr:1). Giddy, leave was given. A Gentleman from Roscommon states, that en Sunday week, during Divine service, a party of Ma i gistrates, attended Vastiong detachment of the mi litary, surrounded a chapel in that neighbourhood, and as the congregation. were . coming out after Mass, above 60 persons were taken into custody, and con veyed to the county gaol, on private information i against them. ' . • • , . , . . . . ORDERS IN COUNCIL• Gen. GASCOIGNE enquired of Mr. Brougham, whether it was hiseintention to bring forward his me. tion regarding the Orders in Council on Tuesday next ? Mr. BROUGHAM replied, that he saw no me tive for postponing it beyond the Thursday follow ing, which day it was his intention to fix as the pe riod when he should positively .submit his proposi tions to the House. If indeed it were wished that the discussion should be deferred until something in the shape of a Government were formed. he thought that it would be postponing it to a period infinitely too distant for the dtteision of a question so momen tous and important. At present, it however would stand for Tuesday nest; but if a Right iinnearabie Gentienmn.(Mr. tannin ) put.of . Ma motion. which was fixed for . cite Tilorltdoi fiticutt4ofieke Cable • $' • • FREIVCII I'AfPERS. DREsnrx, MAY t3.---Te Emperors of Franra and Austria are still in this city. Pstcurr, Aram Majesty the Emperor Alexander, in his passage throngh I his . place, review , -d the detachments of artillisry, which were at the m u . ment in the town. His Majesty invited the superi. r Officers and Civil Governor to dine with him. I:1..1w. diately after dinner this Monarch dertowl, and af. saved about seven o'clock at Ostrow, eight German miles from hence. Posnx, MAY 15.—His Serene Highness the Prince Viceroy of Italy, arrived here on the inorniug of the 13th, and set out again at nine in the evening. I.lttasr.Au, MAY 16.—Ris Serene Highness arriveil here on the 13th from Wertinberg. The Prim Vico roy of Italy 'has departed from Clogau for Warsaw. It appears that a part of the troops of the Confe deration of the Rhine will proceed to that part of Gallicia which has been united to the Duchy of 'Warsaw. BEPLIN, MAY 19.—Yesterday,. his F.xcellency the Marshal Duke of Treviso. pa s sed through city, without stopping, on hi.: way to Custriti. The Duke of Belluno commands the 9th corps. Naas, MAY 29.—His Majesty the King of Prus sia (according to letters of the 23d, from Dresden) 'arrived in Dresden on the 23d May. CUMNITZ, MAY 11.—Yesterday in, the afternoon, 4000 French and Italian troops entered this town; and after resting a day proceeded towards Dresden. FRANKFORT, MAY 21.--Almost all the superior French oMcers, who were in Berlin, have left that city to repair to their respective destination,. Arr. • Mails. 1 1 • 1 - Cadiz 0 o Dee. KING'S BIRTH-DAT.- Holiday et the Pithtic (Vices. THE STATESMAN. LONDON: • - TIHIRSDAY, JUKE 4, 1812. THE A DMINI STRATION' Marquis . WELLEsLEY, having • failed in Ms en deavours to patch up a Ministry in the way cam , mended by the PRINCE REGENT, resigned hit t • y esterday waitedabou about tw o b o ß 'c ist l y o a c l k i and, ghest a s commission F Motif Tart and received the necessary directions to pronged immediately to the formation of a new Administra tion. Whether the instructions - given the Noble Earl are Ibe same under which his predecessor acted, I we have no means of ascertaining. But if they are, it is impossible that any thing good can result from this new attetnpt, favourable to the interests of the court try. An interesting conversation took place last night in the House of Lords, in thecoUrse of which Marquis ' WEEErsEEit stated, that "great animosities, dread. fad permit animosities, had prevaiiedi animosities fdeeply to be bretented, and, which might be attended • wish the most alarming consequences in the present critical situation of the coontry." Lord Glue- TILE; disclaimed, for himself and Earl GREY, any participation in these disgraceful feelingi, and said, that the only points on which he could ever think of hesitating, were those which might concern the • " public welfare." Earl GREY acquiesced entirely in this statement. On the other hand, the INrl of LIVERPOOL, for himself and friends, distinctly stated, that they were uninfluenced in this transaction by pi rate and personal animosity, and that the only points in which they differed with their opponents were points " of Government and of the Constitution.' — To sum up the whole, Earl MoIRA said, that he had had some opportunity of witnessing the conduct of the parties in this important transaction, " and he could affix no injurious motive to any of them." Now, what are we to make of all this ? Which of the parties art we to credit in this extraordinary affair ? Did Mar. quis WELLEsLEY state a falsehood when he asserts, that dreadful personal animosities" had prevailed in the course of the attempts to unite the different parties ? Impossible!—the Noble Lord's high sense of honour utterly precludes the idea. Neither can we question the disclaimation of all personal feeling on the part of Ea rl LIMEY and Lord GRENVILLE. It might then ; be snpoesed that the individuals charged with being influenced by peisonal animosity, were the late Mi. •sisters. But here we have the authority of Earl ;MOIRA againit entertaining such an opinio n ; at least in so far as Lords LIVERPOOL or CASTLEREAGH are concerned. Again, with regard to the Faisal REGENT, the Noble Earl distinctly stated, that " as to his Royal Highness, he must give the testimony which opportunity and experience of that illustrious Personage allowed him to give, to the •good faith, • sincerity, and constitutional spirit, which had guided him through the entire negociation." Here then is the true state of the case fairly developed. It is not ! the predilections of his Royal Highness that stand hi the way of forming an efficient Ministry.' It is not the personal feelings of Earl GREY, of Lord ti nes t max, nor of any of their friends that interrupt this. Nor is the difficulty occasioned by the Earl of LIVERPOOL or Lord CASTLEREAGH. It arises only from that power which has been long Ir —noWR to exist iu the State ; that geeret influence behind the Throes which is greater than the Throne itself, 'and which aims at subjecting 0 0 Sovereign and the People to Its despotic sway, The moment ha not yerarrir ed I* naming ithe individuals who compose this band of 'conspirators against 'public Liberty. ;Perhaps it t tile would not be judicious•at any time ' to 4 hi finger of icon Weing..thent individnnl/Y-' If 11 sufficient for oar present purpose to know, that suet