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Lord H. Prerr, vriAerl to he informed by the Chancellor of the Exchequer for Ireland, whom. be war glad to perceive in the 1-111-vzse, when it o•us his intention to bring forward a Bill for the porpose of rendering erleetual the Orders of Council, in Ireland? Mr. FOSTER, the Citaxci.w.on. of the Intsn EXCIILQUEit, repliel, he 'only waited use••rt.iin the precise lea4th th • present Bill picw..e I in its enactment, on this he intended to frame the Bill he proposed to suhmit to the tlou.e for Ireland. Mr. Tieostv.y thought there did exist no city for the delay ; he was of opinkon, the s:. ,!..,n pursued by the Chancellor of the Irish F.xeliequer was totally arregnlar, and contrary to the order of the House, to wait for the result of decisions in other places, when the circumstances of the tittles, and the enforcement of the measures of (loran meet, required the immediate uid of eh. I.egi*- lature, with respect to that part of the c.,11„1.„ but it:eluded in the terms of the late inia..tmcnt. Mr. FOSTER said, the Bill should be drawn up eiith all possible accuracy; and he would elides % our to preserve it free horn objection. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHCQRCR was sur prised to find Gentlemen on the oppp.ite ,141.• o f the House wish to hurry the House into iegi,iattivt* ormagetuents; yet,on a lorinci o e o: t .i on , th e y i,h e d above all things the Home should ponder and delay awhile, for the purpose of securing a prudent mutation of these measures. He felt attained of these contemplative and &afore gentlemen's con duct on this occasion, which differed so %Wily, and was as Meassistesit *hit the principles they bad formerly professed. Several Gentlemen rose at once, and; amongst others, Mr. TisaNEY, who proceeded to address the house, but was CAW to order by the SPEAKiR, who submitted there hid been uo question for some _ '. O time before the Houve. - 1- Mr. Mangy again rose and said, he would a: take an early opportunity of collecting the sense Id of the House on the manner in which he had been id interrtyted in attempting to address the House. iy Tue Ca tecetton of the latou Eitel(EduElL rose N. to -nove that the Houses should resolve itself into a 1; Co . o Ace, to take into consideration the dth Re lic 1..) . 1 t ii.• Committee of Inquiry in Ireland.— rn W.:cn :.. t "ominittre he moved "That it is the opi rd n: , . of use Committee, in consequence of the sug va o, ma- of the Commissioners of Inquiry, that nd I I ~ogo should he freedfroto all &reran to the Crown due by the former possessors." 'The House was re lie smut.A, and the report ordered to be received to- i tLr I L. d r ur • • D ' Mr. Scerebtry Csernixn moved the order of the day for the House going into a Committee of Sup -I.ly, which was agreed to. , The Rt. Ilon.Seeretary said lie had to draw the attention of the House to the supplies to be granted to Ills Majesty to enable him to support his engagements with Sweden. Of all the postmen the Contiaant, with whom this country had been engaged in alliance, this was by far the best entitled to the confidence and gratitnde of the nation. She had been an eminent instance of fidehty:aad constancy amongst the flueteatioas and cheagings of the various nu. ti.rus of Europe. The applause of this country, however was not to he the only coessoktion or re source of Sweden ii her posenst critial situation; but she lied mereceigpieedeuy other portion of gra ' iitade, until we found it oar indispeasablo daz e. d immediate interest te arms Sweden in our No treaty had been mode; no subsidy been entered into. He had maintained a large fOrce at hisser ex pense, during a considerable part of the present ' war, and bad net received any compensation. During the former part, 'tie true, he had received subsidy, for the egress purpose of maintain ing and augmenting his force to Peateraaia, is order to prove a eheck on the operatiens of the French army. This unfottunstiely had proved ineffectual, from unforeseen nsisfortmaes. In Oc tober the remainder of this subsidy had been dis charged, but since that, no subsidy or supply had been granted to that ; since then the temper and inclination of this • ul Ally hod been tried most severely, and France had endeavomrod by threats and remonstrances is induce leer into a league against this country. In consequence of her ',resat to join the enemies of England. she had heraillf become the immediate o'ject of the vengeance of the Emperor of France. Oa this OCuTOOD we were called en imperiously by the recollection of his fidelity and courage, as well as by the digs ity of our own character, to support him to the uttermost. The intention of the prompt treaty was different from those of other times, we had formerly subsidized other countries for the purpose of conquest, the preset was only in tended for the maintenance and support of the King of Sweden in the inidiniirlied possession of his own territory. lie had hitherto avowed our sentiments, artd - mentained our interests, without any Induce ments-brit his attachment to the interests of Eng land, yet this certainly did not lessen his claim to our support—t are he was more to be applauded and remunerated for adhering to our cause without be ing engaged to us by any express stipulations. Our conduct tuSwerleit was not without precedent. We bad maintained Prussia and her dominions during the seven years war, by subsidy and assist ance, without imp immediate interest of conquest or emolument. On coneludiag the terms of this treaty with our most steadfast ally, it hail lie en thought unneressary to enter into minute stiptaitt tiono ; his zeal had Area hitherto nuliounrlc4l, and it 'night have tal.en the alarm if we hail been too precise and determinate. Genernl asiiitanct: had • beau demanded, for whit li we hail promisrd sup plies of money. The woynient, however, rentoitted altogether in our power, so that on :MN* deficiency of assistance, we posseised the means of re‘l-es, hy withholding the instalments vet due, which were to be mails monthly. The %hole seihsl.lv consisted of laoo,oool. sterling, to be !Ilia by negaliiielits of 10(40001. per month, the first of which had been already discharged by the vote of credit. I l,• then movei, I "That it is the opinion of this Committee, that t-1 , n.T001 lee Toted to IN M.tii sty , to enatie Lim to fultii hi. figriie fosect with %rodeo ^ Wir.IVatTBREAD rose, not to oprio‘e tlic sub -o! y, be , yet the spplati ..onferref; om worthy nll ; but he thought unfair CM.; blioulri *he nive l with an exe .tion to all .trier natio-A in Earo i n. Austt.a, and eve:, ' Denmark, h.1(1 me- tired highly of chill connt►y. ne dieereti with the Right Honourable Gentletnan as to the real po licy of tins country respet ting Sweden ; pewee into the oatiy resource for that country, war would ter unuate in her destntetion since France we re- sulve4 on her ruin, it was not just to compel ,her thus to court 0-ott rub, for our apparent and mo mentary advantage. No pe:ice was to be COO elud.-Nl, according to this Teetity, hut by common - - . cust.ent. I.hti but euis either cut her coti - from al- most ull hopes of pence, or else did it not sanction the disregard of the mica solemn esig,getneuts It Wlii au ald.tiuual WOW against the morality of itathcas. A kr eninpaitt with Sardinia, in the last war, .had exposed us to disgrace in the conclusion of the TreAty of Amiens. He did not mean to say be coodemued that Treaty, but he regretted the circumstance of violation of treaty and plighted engagements. It had been rumoured, he bait', we were about to semi a large force to Sweden, and bud stipulated she elwuhl kevp her flotilla in order. This savoured stru..gly of co-operation, although the Right lion. Secretary had said no such design had been enter tained by this country. A great omission had been made in the treat•.; for though we had stipulated to supply money and troop, yet we had not con cluded those arrangements which respected the de struction of the trade of France by neutrals, and in which it was ueccssary that country should ex pressly comply, to render thew effectual.. This poiut, at least, should have been adjusted, espe cially as we had settled that such arrangements should have taken place by the Convention of Sztick:iolin. These remarks he thought necessary to make, as hewished his sentiments on the passing subjects of political discussion and general lute: rests should stand on record. He hoped the Com mons would make good the supply, but wished also to accompany this supply with an intimation, that it had been better to supply the _King of Sweden with assistance, from time to time, rather than by express treaty and provisions ; and also to exprem their disapprobation of that part of the treaty relating to the conclusion of a pence, as well at the culpable neglect of the rvgulmtions respect ing trade. He then read resolutions to the follow ing effect, which he said he would propose to the House as soon as the report of the Cotumittee was brought up : • That the Commas would make gaod the stippva to His Majesty, to ({able hl to effect bia sagagetueuts uith Sweden. a That they.lamented the stipulation of the gd Article of the Treaty, mitering Me joist amoclurion of peace, as Cmo lam and tsjurious In national fidelity. " That they aka regretted H. Madestja .Minister had entered tutu a stipulation of a 'commercial nature, though the country bsd been let to .aeLet such with ansiety." Mr. CANNINJ objected to o adasess being presented to His Majesty. lle c•eilol not hey iin.i is mg that such arrangemeutts as ;Lei ;teen proposed would have been objectiouslile. Ilc would Live had no objection to have pledged this country to en unlimited support, but it surely would not have been so fair to have doled out the measure of our assistance as we ittlicht think it proper. The exer tions a the King of Sweden , must be sudden and universal, while ocr aid must come in gradually.— He would ask auy man how we could give a fair chance to the King of Sweden making exertions for his own defence, if wa did smi..reippaefisius , with stipulated assistance ? As to the engagement. ant to make a separate peace, he should merely ob serve, that no mutual engagement was binding to end) an extent that it could not be altered or in friaged by the consent of both parties. Either of the parties could make a separate peace by making proper representations to the other. With regard to the omission of any artieles as to the acquiescence of Sweden in the Orders of Council, how could that he inserted, when these Orders had not yet been carried into effect by he House ? We had, however, the assurance of the Swedish Governs went, that they would send over a person to this toiletry to eater into our views upon this subject. It was intended that proportional duties should be laid upon them, similar to those to be raised here, and on that account it was thought most proper that this arrangement should be made in this country, rather thou utStockhohn. To have entered intoany farther particular stipulations, would have delayed the conclusion of the present treaty. Mr. Poesott et thought that the entering into a convention with the King of Sweden, to furnish tun with a subsidy for twelve months, was more likely a great deal ti induce him to make a struggle which he was perfectly convinced would end in nothing but that Monarch's own ruin. He thought that England had totally mistaken her own inte rest in respect to the Continent, as it would have been better to have ghee sums of money to keep the Continent in a different state from what it was, rather than enabling the powers of the Continent to go on against Frame. Ile meant that it would have been better to have endeavoured to effect a peace amongst the Continental Powers, rather than provpke war, which only tended to produce the aggrandisement of France. In this particular opinion, he was sure that many of throe with whom he acted differed from him. Ile did not think that it would be either honourable or wise, to refuse making good this grant of money. His opinion however, was, that Logland could do nothing bet ter than advise Sweden to make a Peace as soon us possible, not only fotthe interests of Sweden herself, hut of this country. Illo;:s:sirte wished . nothing more than to get into llis own hoods the situation and the awaits of Sweden, to use them against this cottetry, and if we eueourse;ed Sweden to pursue the contest, this would actually happen. The consequence would be, that France would be in possp,sinn of all those armies and resources which will be sent to oppose him, and which nobody could doubt he-a oultl employ against this country. lie wished that this money should he employed rather to purchase a tolerable or even a bad Peace for Sweden, than to encourage w coutinuanceof war. As to the article it hick related to nicking a joint penee. he tlionght Ministers ought not to be against sdvising• I Iss;Majesty to release Sweden from such a sti pule t tun. He would have liked thetteaty better, had it not contained that article, twit threw impediments in the a vof Sweden making a peace, sod a:so pre vented us from doing so without the consent of Sweden. As to that part which related to our send ing a subsidiary force to Sweden, hr hoped that rs wee not serious in doing so, as we might rk d e,,ci upon it, that it was in the power of France mod /tunic to pout a force iota Sweden that would totally overpower theta; and the consequence would be, that we should ouly be deprived ea great part of that force which we might apply to useful purposes for our own advantage. Another thing that was remarkable in this treaty was, that-we re served a right of binding, Sweden to provide a cer tain force, and the only species of force stipulated was their flotilla, awl we did not reserve a right to send any officer to examine the nature of that finer, or to say that it was oroperly managed for the par ticular purposes intended to be effected. Mr. CANN:NU said, it wail a Treaty to enalule Sweden to defend herself; she being by no fault of ours, nor by any iustigetiou of ours, engaged iu continuation of this contest, but merely by causes which have some relation to Us. It was merely a Treaty to enable Sweden to make the best pos sible struggle that coule.be made again►t the am bition of France. The stipulation as to each Power making a peace jointly meant mothing more than what every one would consider this country bound to attend to, withisiit any stipulation whatever. of Europe, and he could show from the pikes. rent which had last arrived, that it was sellir Paris much cheaper tktui in this country. quantity of bark annually used here was 160, lbs.:nod the quantity now remaining was at one million of so that there was in fact price at all, but it was merely a drag. The sure isroposed was i.i fact 1111 infringement of t I.icrusr, whirl' had gr3iit,ll to particuier t!:vidnals to trade in that article. Ile earnest rtuuniatentled therefore, that Ministers would tlect upon these objections to the Bill,and withdraw it belitre it proceeded further. Sir C. PaicE argued in favour of the Bill, A N 0E1.91411m0 with great force against The Cuauccuna of the EXCHEQUEK dim' regret nut having followed the advice of the uourable Gentleman, as he believed it would T highly disadvantageous to the country. ' try thing in his power had been done to bring . forward thin tl;ll as speedily as possible, and to give opportunity for the discuasioa of it. Much as been said about the character and dignity country, and of the appeal to humanity. upon . presect question, he wasut a bead to conceive ' any measures of warfare could be carried ou , would not bear upon the poor and lower orders society. He expressed his conviction that tV measure& would prove highly advantageous ' country. Mr. WILLIAM SMITH argued at length against the Bill. and contended that it was in the his! degree Mittman. asking, and Sir WII. EUPORA/ supported the Bill. . Mr. LLSOINUTUN Miterhisd, that the 'Vegetal of the flew. Baronet, (SirCharlesPrice,) respecting the price of bark at Paris were highly incor and ill-calculated to give to the Rouse the' mation it should have on this subject. Mr. Goautim approved of the measure. Mr. liraucaT cOnbidered the measure's tending to disgrace the character of the country. Mr. Noti. supported the Bill. Lord Mia.eum having heard that it WI,. intended to impose a heavy dui apt this artiele. did not disopprove of it, buf fitißing that it was intended to prohibit .ts etportation, dprovad of the Bill. A division then took place, when there appeared for the Speaker's leaving the Chair, Ames Ants Mr. PONSONSY expressed his staidness that Ministers did not mean to employ this money in in ducing Sweden to emstinue the war, but merely to induce her to defend herself against Fromm The SECRETARY at Wen said, that if Sweden could make a peace, and maintain her neutrality, be should by ne means object to its Was km be sup posed that Bonaparte. after-getting the money to purchase peace, wou4 conseat_to grant to Sweden the privilege* oi eentinilly f--flied - we tiot an ie. stance to the contrary in regard to Portugal, who gave money from time to time to maintain its neu trality, and yet the. Government were expelled from Celt (T , uory ? So long as Sweden could make a defence, it was an advantage to this country, and such alone was the object of the treaty. Lord HENRY Perry thought it would be more useful to hare this vote under our contra*, by giviugit as i Vote of Credit, to mashie Minister, to apply the money to the use of His Swedish Ma jesty, as occasion might require. Could it be said that Sweden was bound to 'agree to -our making peace whenever a favourable opportunit y . shoul d occur ? It might happen that Sweden might be otherwise disposed, sad therefore he approved of such an Address as that which had been proposed accompanying this vote of money. As to the sti pulations regarding the Orders id Council, he thought that they might bare been entered into sooner. Although these Orders in Council did not meet with hie approbation, yet since They had passed that House, it was but prudent that they alionld take every means to carry them into effect. As these Orders now stood, the whole of the ene my's colonial pechece might be carried into Ame- THANKS TO THE SPEAKEIt. neap shilliPetl in British veweth ww4 upon paying Mr. CANNING said, before the House broke duty, carried into the ports of Sweden, and from and seeing an Honourable Gentleman (Mr ' theuee carried into any of the ports of the enen.y, ney) in his place, he thought it his duty were Swedeo to maintain her neutrality. It was hi e , a ( p iegt i oe, l e convegeeeee a what had .... upon that account th a t h e regre tt e d th a t this stipu- from him early in the night,eitlative to the dignified latiou was not inserted in this treaty. He had, person who filled the Chair of that Heuer, however, heard with great batisfaction, that this feeling as he did the most lively iatenait ' Treaty was principally for the purpose of enabliug feelings of that person. • Sweden to defend herself. and tint - for the purpose Mr. Menet, to order, ilia, there was . of continuing an useless and bloody war. e au b y... 11 1 .4k ataa „.. a .,.........ter. -- • --• • r the • assithi ii. The CHANCELLOR of geeilinuttes life - CA in tee then asked, whether it was . Swan the the Molise agreed in regard to the sub- intention of the Honourable Gentleman - i stance of this Treaty, a lthoogh there appeared to the conduct of the respected Personage who be some little difference as to the hest mode of the ci„i i ., b e f ore t h e k,„„ ? mrrying it into e ff ec t. H e p erce i ve d, liovbever. Mr. TIERNEY said, he felt extremely delicate .that whatever mode Government had adopted, it on &question of the' kind. Ile thought his own feelings, aud the respeet due to a Member of Ne wfield not have met with the concurrence of the' Hon. Gentlemen opposite, who each, of theta hymen roeseerned in the manner in which he bad seemed to propose a different plan of procedure. beim called to order thut eight, and it was his in. One was for giving the subsidy in the shape of a emboli in future to put a stop to such irregulari- Vote of Credit ; another was for granting the tie.. The Chancellor of the Exchetiner, no doubt, sum proposed all at once ; and a third for giving it with his usual good humour, thought proper per for the direct purpose of purchasing a peace, aud aoutilly to alluile to him, and when be got up far not encouraging our Ally even to defend herself. the purpose or replying, which was. hn, eonceivsd. In whatever way, therefore, Ministers had proposed perfectly so,itpetent to him, be had been called to it, (hey could not have avoided censure. He order, and thus deprived of the opportunity of thought his Hight Hon. Friend bad done what was viudicatilig him:fell: extremely proper, by leaving the House and the Th e CHANCELLOR of the EECIISQUER said, the would to collect what could be effected by such an irregularity had most evidently begun with the instrument es the Treaty be had concluded, with- Hon. Gentleman. nut enumerating further stipulations. It could Mr. Treatise denied it; and allowed there wee not bare been decently prevailed t o an y P o wer to irregularity throughout the occurrence ; and that agree to ~tipillutions as to the Orders mu Council, if conversations of the kind were permitted, it they not h av i ng acthally passed under the cog- would go to the interruption of parliamentary pro &ranee of Parliament. ceedingh M. Wtattam Sernt did not approve of the std- Mr. CANNING did not intend to controvert the rrulation in the treaty about peace, because it .. , ..:are statement of the Hon. Gent l eman ; b ut t h oug h t Sweden a right to interpose, were she 96 inch:act!, that when irregularities were noticed, it then be so as to prevent our making peace, or entering into came the dnty of the Chair to interfere; which was negotns for effecting peace with the enemy, d one w ith the u s u a l correctness. He wished to no and therefore he did not think such a stipulation derstand ,from the Hon. Gentleman, whether it ought to be allowed to exist. was his intention to bring the business before the Mr. Hessen? thought that this country had House, or to take the remedy into his own hands, been subjected thus long to the continuance of a as stated by him ? horrible war by means of such articles, in regard It Tisane', said, it had been his intention to to joint peace, being included in all our treaties bring it forward ; but, on recollection, and eonsi with our allies. daring the character concerned, he would not do so. Mr. WMITIREAD said, he should not at prevent Lord HENRY PETTY thought it essential to press the address he had proposed, but submit it know in what manner the irregularity commenced. to the House after the had resumed. He could On its being noticed bl , the House, it certainly be. not help thinking that Ministers Were perfectly came the duty of the their to interfere. e`r°n .• in regard to their commercial arrangements The S e a teea considered his conduct brought with . 'yearn, as it might have been s tipul a t e d that before the House, and was most willing sad ready she should consent to whatever regulations Perlis- to subm i t to its "elision. When be reflected that meut adopted upon that subject, us well as in re he had been four times celled to'the Chair which lard to the vote now proposed. There would be he had the honour to.fill, and that he Lad for seven direct v i nl a ti m nia the Orden iri P °uncii, r r°vid c d years filled it, he trusted, with satisfaction, he hail Sweden did not adopt them ; and goods migh t first the couselation to feel that this was the first time lie go to Sweden, and then to the Continent, in any had been chamed with partiality. He would. there way she pleased. fore, arraign - as he was, leave the business to the After a few further observations from Mr. Wm judgment of the House. Lug SMITH and Mr. CASHING, the Iteeehttioll, as Mr. CANNING was satisfied the Blouse fully par to the grant of 1400,0001. to His Swedish Majesty, ticipated in the feelings of the Chair, and that, af thwase t " d al w a n i r o f f e ird ed e t re o v i to The he rece i House red re : 4 7. mw eit t w w , d ter what had taken place, ithecarne necessary to ex the preen their sense of the eondact of the dignified cha- Mr. MITIIREAG then Alropsised the addt.tes, . . the . periods of ow. his- which rac tor t y !r a , u w e, n i n i , t a w n iths m ti us a t c ara rsd n it ous to rlf a ; ad al i vatt- to.- which be had stated in the Committee; but it was negatived without a division. tage to the country. PILItUTIAII SAM BILL Me then tmoved the farming resolution : Upon the motion for the House going into a a Tito the House wahly saasai ,„ a d i , sw ot, s u s , Committee upon this Bill, seep laspartill amasser is whieit the Wet the. Charism Mr. Watesneae stated, at considerable length, Abbott Moaned the Chair a ISM Ross/. . . w _ his objections to the measure, meted both absurd and detestable, iepugnant to the Mr. Tulaelan fore, and sai hisd , feelings, aud the which he denomi- The geestion wie then put and c ri e d: wh en : i c y: l el f feelings of mankind, and derogatory to the character called upon, consistent w ith eßritish = haulm ,. of Englishmen. He argued that it would Dot be character of a Member of th attended with the consequences intended to be to give his al . esent to it. Dee w ere then dimmed effected, because thine wee at this minute a very The other Order. of t he 'T irs o'clo ck. g reat quantity of Penniless bark epee this Continent of.—..tdjouraad at HALP-TAa . STE Majority , The House then resolved itself istida Committee "on the Bark Bill. The several clauses were read and agreed ._ Report brought up, and ordered to be received inutrogr. • re•ctirli ling et The 50,000 about act no tnea- I' theme 'ar in- rnestly re+ ihdratr 11, and net it. lid not he Ho , *r ove very 'orwerd e every as had r of the roe the Ire hos- 1 oat thee niers of Ft throe to the• bat teuteote pectins correct, infor. trading hi *of article, it a*, rowed of CPS! nd 'emitter d to. the tired to.. ;Yoke up, dr. Tier. r to ark id folks diPifled nee, end t for the • wile the to bring . .m-: