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M , ■ V 11 9 11 . 1 5 p. . r 4 • 'f a ,~~. • . . o _ _ .. . _ . . . . . _ ._ . JOwould Dohs& Abs Mean is g• 411seall thll specific only votehig i Trat HN N i tr o. se= tb .._ s_r_i_sai n........ psissad by le!lrish trait annual thou ebt peeper estbents their inemsta ay to doing . .n...uded the house ham advantageously disaseeing the amount of the grant. • Air. SPRING RICH snewsud, that as thaltsandling Hospital Mss subject ,all the donations whisb applied to the other chari ties. any — a Sight be postponed until this vote was aligllinsurt. immis illan bats a Committee of Simply on the Irish Mindless.= —16,61C1. was voted .kw the Prielisirtsr sithissis sf A ll i t ,lgilissnigiossaA Ski doss loss were 01117 asked fot. Z . niellifes." bail as Calawaliwilamse *sok( have made their Ei.GOIMBUR2I said be hobnail these votes only to be Implied re cover tip cosset raismoss, inisnavoing that the Conn. ages hers would-mats thsfit Rimy 11100631 41 4 then Buster. Z 6.1110 was semi set sisesst IM I t s Seitiefy eostattlithed foe ntemmeing Vice. ii r. HUME ?militated the Right flossik*e Sesretary for Ire. need to desire this inseisto send germ . * dimes of the Dumber NBibles, Ti.; Mt Bab abbalsliml by this Society. s ode this rsgssltin Is prevent tits serseasity of moving Sir Remise; • Dlr. 001.3.1111111111 sismsted. At the earns time he begged in ouster, tot dams blithistions expendeds large sum . of mosey sw sg jo s e em , this I "d aga i n was the very ial m principle to ba bed nitssini. deprecated this system of building, isisich borehole' SIMI Imatinations with debts ; son thus what was Only intended es a Warms, grant, was necessarily turned into a gormansot bertbsa. The sum, of OAK was stated on aspount for the support of the ..-alleirlifai Psi &I Edmgation of titkPoor iu Ireland. L a i ll 1. was was/ Iss tits suk purl of the.rosandling Hospital in lialfbl. issavotill is the Dublin House of . Ilibdiers• won heist to the Hibernian Society Is t:PIT Eduestion of L,ISII = ts the Hlberhisn Marine Society. ,s., CHARITABLE GRANTS. M. HUME said, their wee nothing similar to these slsetsosy soy grants its either England or Scotland, and he did not IMP any thing peculiar to the skuation of Ireland which rendered it nays selry that sums should be voted away for the support of charities ki that country. There was only one charitable grant for England is sum of 6,0904 rot the support of the Society for the Relief of ohs Destitute), and this grant we. supported solely on the ground that the Society may be considered as a part of the police. The amount of Irish charitable grants had been nearly doubled within a By years; and when the principle was considered he thought every main ought so feel disposed rather to abridge than increase Use amount, which seemed to be the favourite °Wein of the Hon. &ere , ery for Ireland. The charitable grants for Ireland, ineuding tie education grants, to which his observations were not directed, amoonted to the enormous sum of 345,000/., for which the people of England were taxed to support this eleemosnnary system. If this system wan beneficial he should not object to it, but experience demonstrated that it watt productive of much evil. For his part he could not allow the opportunity to pass without protesting against the system. ' The County illembere did not attend at the passing of thc.e votes; and lag therefore called upon the Government to Footed the people from thesounnecessary burthens. Mr. ()RATTAN said, he concurred with his Honourable Friend (Mr. Hume), that the amount of charitable grants to Its land was considerable increased since the Union. when it was Stabs M 5,0004 It was now, as the Honourable Gentleman stated, some= tiling over 300,0051. The charities to the support of witica these sums were applied, however, were, with a few exceptions, extremely sacful, ckpecially those in Dublin ; and before lion. Members consented to. withdrnw the grarts from those useful Charities, he begged them tie consider what a mass of misery and distress such a permeating would throw upon the public. Sir T. LETHBRIDGE did not conceive that the Honourable Gentleman's (Mr. Hume's) observation with respect to the non-at tendance of County Members warranted by the experience of the II masc. He hoped the House would never entertain a niggardly feeling, when its attention was called to the distresses of the Irish. Ac was an addscate for the general education of the Irish people, and it was Impressed on his mind as an important duty which this country owed to Ireland. Ile trusted the Honourable Secretary would continue in the steady course which he had hitherto pur eued, and not,* diverted from it by the principles of false economy urged too often at both aides of the House. Mr. MONCK was of opinion that those charitable institutions tended to nothing so much as the increase of paupers. 24,0001. was given to the Foundling Hospital , and if Parliament voted 100,0001. instead of 24,0001., it would by so doing only offer a larger premium for incontinence , and the produce of illegitimate ctildren would be found to have augmented in proportion to the increase of the grant. (Hear, hear.) If this system was worth anything, it ought to be extended much further. If these grants were eecesaary for Dublin, they were equelly necessary for Li merick, Cork, Belfast, and other large cities. No one could say that the prezitie stall voted was actually that which is necessary. In fent, dohs system was good, there should be no end to the amount; if it Was bad. the sooner we got rid of it the better. Mr. fnURTEIS hoped these votes, instead of being rendered per manent, would be diminished every succeeding year. (Hear, hear.) Then: was no doubt that much distress existed in Ireland : indeed some degree of distress existed everywhere : but why din not the jaish support their poor by establishing the poor rates, which was a heavy bonitos on the county which he had the honour of fe rmenting? • Mr. LOCKHART was strongly opposed to the system of eha rtable grants ; but he could not recommend the Irish to establish the poor rates. He always found that distress and profiicacy in creased in exact proportion to the sum of money which was avail able for what are called charitable purposes. As the Honourable Member for Coventry was not present, perhaps he (Mr. Lockhart) was rot justified in adverting to that town. A sum of fourteen thousand pounds was annually expended in Coventry for the sup port of charitable institutions, and the good behaviour of the in- Labitanta was by no means remarkable. Mr. HUME said, as the Right Honourable Secretary for Ireland refused to aunt the House any satisfactory information on the subject of charitable institutions, he begged to call upon the Chan cellor of the Exchequer to state to the House the intentions of his Majesty's Government. Three years ago an Honourable Gentle man, then connected with the Governineht of Ireland (Mr. C. Grant), admitted the absurdity of the principle which he (Mr. Hume) now reprobated ; and yet the Government went on increas. ing the amount every year, instead of making any reduction. He protested against so unjust and improvident an application of public money. Mr. GOULBURN felt no reluctance in affording the Hon. Member for Montrose all the information which it war in his power to give. ..If the Hon. Gentleman expected him to pledge himself to recommend the House to withdraw the grants now given for the support of Charitable Institutions, he would distinct!) , state that he could give no such pledge. He would continue to call for that moderate degree of relief which the wants of the Institutions ren dered necessary. Whenever he considered it expedient he would recommend the grattuol reduction of these gra n ts, but he could never consider it expedient to withdraw them altogether. Mr. C. GRANT said, he thought the principle of some of these grants objectionable ; this opinion he had before stated, and to it he now adhered. He had always anticipated, however, a gradual reduction, which could be efneend without shocking the prejudices of-any parties, or producing that extensive misery which must be the result of a sudden reduction. With regard to the ultimate ex tinction of these grants be should only recommend it when the In. etitution was bad in principle. Upon the subject of general educe. thin he hoped to see the floosentep noward and support the 'Rill. dole, not with prodigal but with ample generosity. lie could not consent to the reduction of any grant for education, unless the ap plication for the greet marred its purpose, as was the case with the Charter Schools. Sonic little advantage was derived by individuals from these schools in the elementary arts of reading and writing, and perhaps, some little in the way of religious instruction ; but in am great purpose s of training tip men to make them good subjects art , sepd Christisrs, these Institutions had decidedly failed. He &vogue these establishments might be gradually corrected, but the latticel prltteinle was bad ; the advantages were confined to a par ticular class, and the Institution could never effect any great public romt. The same objection, however, did not upply to all the In 54:win" snorn(lidaandstioonises-epasitin seam—ssessal.- Horses.. traced a rational oshiggsteruil system of education. To these he hoped the liberality of the House would be extended without any reterence to the sums stipulated at the Union. He would say, gratis linerany for the support of a liberal and enlightened system of education, bat let it not be a system calculated to produce paupers, and to encoerage Vice and prrOligacy. (Hear, hear.) The (:I IA NC E ILO k of the EXCHEQUER multi not entirely agree with the principle which was urged, that Institutions sup. rotted by charity were in all cases, productive of evil. In ibis cauDtry experience proved no such thing. In the City of London there were lestitutions without number supported by charity. It is trite they were supported by voluntary subscriptions, and not by Fab& mousy ; but their effee.s on the morals of the people must be much the same, windier the Institutions are supported by subscrip ens or Parliamentarv .. grents. In Dublin, sttuated as that city r,cw is, he understood it would be Impossible to maintain the els r.table institutions without any other aid than that derived from voluntary subscriptions. Ile thought it would be most unjust of *.s House to withdraw their grants, upon the ground of an abetrnct objection, to which he could not fully assent, and which was dis proved by experience in this country. The House must consider, that by the sudden withdrawal of these grants, they would leave a camber of persons now deriving benefit from them, in a state of absolute destitution. It would be inconsistent with sound policy, if the Hosute expressed its decided opinion against these Institu lions, without seeing their way a little more clearly. There was practical experience to demonstrate that in Ns county charitable itstitations contributed to the comfort end happiness of the people, and he cone:teed that their abolition must inevitably produce a great aggravation of whatever degree of distress already existed. After a few aunts from Sly JOHN NEWPORT, :th. SPRING RICE said, that full justice was not done to Ire lactl,-or to the efforts male by that armour in the cause of charity ; treats that were not to be measured by that paper—efforts that in Fr:marine to the Capital of Ireland, need not Lae a comparison with roy Eoropeen country. Though they had not poor? rates, and though he misted they never should have panes' rates (hear, hear), yst there wee. various establishments in Ireland for chant/t -en Purposes which were not generally taken into consideration. Theo W. Te infirmaries, disperoaxies, and numerous other establish- r -ants, which would do honour even to this country. Mr. GRA':. TAN asserted that then: establishments were tubsti- t - I i :.~, I F V 4 .4k, mks far pier: NYS, Mt Without them infinite evil Until the tanweis• at a Mkt, is Dublin. called 4=l Association, k was spailly possible to endure the implies**, sf mendicants is illsPridi Er is. The upper claims bagisit ted their toasty the who lived eft Ruekrd to Polito; trade could not .be scarcely any kind of business trarsacted. were it not urea taken by that Association, in connection with the Gait citable establishments of Dublin. Mr. HUM E lamented that the gradual reduction whSell been promised, not only did not take place, but that an had actually. occurred. The Chancellor of the Eschequie= look to 'he subjeet. and no longer permit such experae to cooties& Mr. OOULDURN said, that if the Honourable Gentleman op. posite would look to the paper 'rehire him, be would les that au reeersaof what he supposed was the fact. After uhw words in reply from Mr. HUME. 1,7611. was for the esper.see of the kensele Orphan Asylum. 2,71141. for the Westmorland Lock Hospital. 2.81361. for the hying-in. Hospital. Mr. HUME objected to this mast vote. . Mr. GOO MICR N replied, that this sum at least wu requiem" for medical assistance. 6621. for Stevens's Hospital was the next vote. 4001. for the Hospital t.f incurables. (d. laugh.) 8,6281. for the Roman Catholic Seminary in Ireland, passed without . observation. 1,9001. for the Royal Coik Institution was the heat vote. Dlr. LtUNIE and Sir JOHN NEWPORT made a few obser rations on the subject, in the conrse of which the forme said, that the private contributions to the Cork Institution amounted to only Md. annually, and refened to that fact ra evidence that the citizens of Cork set but Side value upon the advantages of that estab lishment. Mr. PEEL thought it would be advantageous if his Right Honourable Friend (Mr. Goulburn) would open a communication with the Gentlemen at Cork, and ascertain how fat they were willing to contribute. Ile was quite of opinion that the sum to be granted by Parliament should hear some proportion to the amount of private subscription. All that Mr. HUME wished foe. was, to call the attention of the Government to the subject. Mn. GOULBURN wan underatood to adopt the summation of Mr. Peel. 7,0001. for the Dublin Society. 10,0001. for the use of the Conimiasionees for making wide and convenient Streets in the City of Dublin. On the motion being put on this vote, H U3I E. said, that the chinos of Dublin ought to pay fbr their own 'conveniences—ought to defray the expenses of im proving their own streets. It was a great grievance that the people of England should hear such an expense; scarcely a week elapsed without remonstrance on the subject. - Afters few words from Mr. GRATTAN, Sir J.'NEAVPORT rose- to say, that he thought it would be a good arrangement if the public were to assure the debt at present due by the Commissioners, and for the future leave them to pay their own expenses. Mr. GOULBURN said that be bad previously adopted 4ltat - 2,50 et. for the Fanning Satiety of Ireland. 3001. for the Royal Irish Academy. 7-2.21. for the Commissioners of Charitable DOCIVIOCS and Be quests. LINEN TRADE OF IRELAND. 19,9381. to defray the expenses of the Linen Board of Ireland. Mr. HUME, in objecting to this vote, expressed his opinion. that a great deal of mismanagement trended in tide quarter. Besides, he was on other grounds agaist the grant. Why not give similar advantages to the woollen trade? Why should not his Majesty's Aliristere, proceeding as they do with great pro priety in favour of free trade, leave linen to itself, and not tax the people to the amount of 20,000/. fora useless or rather a per nicious purpose? Unless there II WI some extraordinary pecu liarity in this case he thought the grant ought to be abolished. Mr. OOULBUttN said, that the Committee had here to deal with a subject of mttch importance to Ireland ; and there could be no doubt that heretofore the Linen Board and the officers under it had done much to prevent fraud and to promote the true interests of the trade. But further, there is a general feeling throughout Ireland that the existence of the Board Is essential to the pros perity of the trade. His information on this subject be took floor persons well acquainted with the subject, and on whose judgment he could rely. Mr. T. WILSON said a few words against the grant. Mr. TRANT could say he had learned that in the North of Ireland the Board had done much service to the trade ; he was therefore unwilling to agree to any sudden reduction of the grant. Sir O. HILL defended the Board, and co detained that great advantages accrual from this annual grant. If any one circum stance more than another tended to promote the tranquillity of the North of Ireland, it was the existence of the Linen Board ; and he did not hesitate to say that the morality and wellbeing of that part of Ireland mainly depended on it. Lord A LT fIOR P—One Honourable Gentleman frpm the South of Ireland thought the establishment of the Linen Board bene ficial to the northern part of that country, but not to the south. Another Honourable Member from the north thought the Board' injurious to Ulster. but serviceable to the aouth. He (Lord Al thorp) was disposed to agree in a part of the proposition of eadil Honourable Member, and draw the general inference, that the Board was calculated to effect no good purpose in any part of the kingdom. Under this impression he would oppose the grant, and give his support to the amendment of his Honourable Friend the Member for Aberdeen. Sir JOHN NEWPORT deprecated the mode in which the Linen Hall was managed in Dublin. The Board possessed a corn- mar.ding and elegant edifice, with rooms appropriated to the ex- posure of linen intended for sale. These offices were not let for a valuable consideration, as they might, and a proportionate revenue derived from the proceeds, but the use of them was gratuitously given to certain favoured - individuals. who thus derived an advan tage to themselves intended for the public. Without taking upon himself to judge how far the funds of the Linen Board should be limited, he did think the subject demanded very serious con sideration. . . Mr. HUME hoped, after what had fallen from many Honour. able Members upon this subject. and the evidence (if he might so call it) which had been given by Gentlemen to the right and left of the Chancellor of the Exchequer, that he (Mr. Hume) would be favoured with that right Honourable Gentleman's vote on the pre sent occasion. He really thought, looking at the line of policy adopted by the Right Honourable Gentleman since the period of his coming into office, that in common consistency he was bound, by supporting the amendment, to put an end to the monopoly which the contemplated grant went to continue. He again called upon the Right Honourable Member to give him his vote, on the very principles of free trade, which he had made the basis of his financial measures. He did not well see how the Chancellor of the Exchequer could do otherwise, when he recollected the sentiments of the Right Honourable Gentlemen's speech on the opening of the Budget this Session—sentiments which he had no doubt would be re-echoed by the Right Honourable the President of the Boyd of Trade, in his speech on Monday next. He would, therefore, persist in his amendment, and move the Committee that the amount of the proposed grant be reduced from 19,9381. to 9.9591. Colonel BAG W ELL would support the vote. if the grant was ten times its present amount there would be sufficient employment for it. The discontinuance or diminution of the accustomed grant would be most injurious in Ireland, and have the effect of sending adrift numbers of unfortunate creatures, who at present derived their principal support from the trade these grants were intended to encourage. Mr. PEEL—This was not solely a question of political economy or ordinary commercial ululation. A considerable degree of peen. liar feeling was involved in the consi.leratjon of the subject. He thought this remark applicable to Ireland. not only on account of its particular situation but also bearing in mind die commercial restrictions and regul ations which had been entered into with re spect to that country. Not mar.y years had elapsed since a m from the Throne had been brought down to the House, in :Tret e , among other things, it was recommended to discourage the woollen trade, sr.d encourage the linen trade in Ireland. Under such circumstances, however, it might be necessary to look into the existing regulations with respect to that trade; he thought it better not to act with such precipitation as the Hon. Member for Montrose desired. The object of the Board was to introduce the linen trade and mannfacture into many parts of Ireland where they were at present unknoa n. Gentlemen opposite had been among the Wade& and readiest to tasseled& aeries situation of based, and the want of employment of the peasantry in the western and southern districts. Taking them up on their own grounds, he did not see how they could continue their opposition to a measure calcu lated to remedy those evils. The linen trade could be best ex tended to those parts of the island where 'it was at present unknown, by sending among the peasantry persons competent to instruct in the various branches of the inanulacture, and affording other fa cilities which could be best effected through the medium of such a body as the Linen Board. lie thought upon moral considerations if Ws could he made the meats of introducing employment among the poorer classes in the South of Ireland, that the advantage to be gained would compensate for the amount of the present vote. and fully counterbalance any departure from the usual political principles that should regulate our conduct. 31r. GRA TTA N supported the amendment. Dr. LUSHINGTON said, if he could believe the assertion of the Right Hon. Gentleman that the act of voting away 20,000/. of the public money in the manner proposed would go to improve the situation of the poor of Ireland, he would support the grant ; but he must confess he contemplated the measure as one founded upon very erroneous principles, and calculated to defeat that object. If the House could be persuaded to pass a vote for the purpose of en oouraging a manufacture of a commodity greater than that required by the actual demand, it must necessarily Tower the price of the arti cle in the market, and deprive the manufacturer of that fair remu neration necessary to compensate him for the expenditure of his capitali Ii bad been stated by the Member for fipperary that utensils necessary to the manufacture of linen were given away as charitable donations to the peasantry. He contended that such a proceeding was pernicious to its tendency, as its necessary conse quence was to rase up a commodity for which there existed no price or demand. It was the encouragement of what he wall die posed to call an unnatual trade, and be thought a greater evil could not be for Ireland or any other country than the existence of a fac- titious trade wholly uncalled for by the circumstances of the coun try. Such conduct was only temporising with a disease which was already toe deeply seated, and playing the quack with a serious disorder. Under such circumstances, he could not assent to the vote now before the Committee, although generally he agreed with the Right Hon. Gentleman ( Mr. Peel) in ire propriety of not putt denly withdrawing measures for the advantage of Ireland. however eeclvsive in their num, or erroneous in policy. This did not ap. •• • • 0 . THE BRITISH PRESS. peer to btu as • nermetire al that deserlptiou. True, he looked ewe Indeed se a diseased member of the State, and therefore setidg the serest cautious and tender treatment at their hands. Yet Wm W asavinced of the impede, of the present rote. and if he desilitee hew taking the sense of the House upon it, it would be eatir also the toderstanding that Gentlemen on the cpposits Wean 'meld oat twess each a measure in another Session, with. telt . v:B l 7ll; t r it li f eipl; .h tir ceroynosr Gentlemen d e u n e n to p" tus e t i t t n e pt i t ied n b e e e e . m OD pedwida employment for the peasantry of Ireland—on the ground of ildillpilly of meeting the existing distress by the extension of , and the creation of trade necessary to that purpose. , Mena g 5 sale he thou e ht it might be right to attempt what Idlsdee ether eireemstanees would be improper. Ile therefore eon eiellitsheeden of what the Honourable Gentleman (Doctor 1 V :izasi had GAM a fictitious trade in the present instance, the Injury resulting front exclusive encouragement, I MR Ira more than counterbalanced by the benefits arising from the esettioyesset of the peasantry of Ireland. One of the regula bens edit Beard in Ireland was, to have the goods brought into the market' by persons whose salaries were to be paid out of this twee. • thought that an excellent regulation. If Gentle ! dant wiled Is hese any alteration in the present practice, let them cane remark red propose the rcntadelling of the existing laws. This weed ho the proper mode of acting. They ought to do au— to go ups Weed and general prieciplee. and not attack the parti cular grant. Fes his pan, he could feel no hesitation in pledging himself to CelladiV, wherever the subject should be brought before 1 the House, net merely the grant but the propriety of the law itself. Mr. It. GORDON thought it much better for the House to refuse the grant. If they did tar Ministers would take the necessity of altering the law bite consideration. The money voted io these grants he believed generally found its way by some means or other tuto the nutmeat persons who supported the Government. How- I ever, investigation must always be attended with good effects; in continuation of Which the Honourable Member adverted to the change made in the management of the House of Industry, where it was found posaible to dispense with the services of four visitors out of five, one being solficlent to discharge the duties of the office. Mr. GOULRURN explained. He had found five individuals in the situation of visitors to site House of Industry its Dublin, an institution which it was not necessary for him tneulogise. Having ascertained diet a fewer number of officers would answer the design of the institution. they had been reduced in number front four or five to one individual. The services of that officer could not be dispensed with, as his duties were of a nature moat important to the well.government of the establishment. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER—It has been asserted that nothing had been done by the House on this im portant subject : be begged to say that was a mistaken view of the case. Ile would refer, in confirmation of what he asserted, to the' Report of a Committee same years ago, recommending consi derable alterations in the commercial system of the two countries, and tooting the rest a reduction of the bounties upon particular com modities manufietured in Ireland. lie did not think it necessary to defend th. existence of thou protecting bounties and duties ; but as they did exist he thought it advisable to proceed slowly and with due caution in any attempt to deal with them. There was, however, sufficient proof that his hlajesty'r Ministers had not neglected the subject or been asleep on their post. Gentlemen, on discussing a subject like the present, should recollect the singular situation of the great masa of the population in Ireland, and that principles which applied to other countries were nr applicable to Ireland. (Hear, hear.) In feet that country was totally unprepared to receive the new system of political economy, found so advan tageous under other circumstances—at least those principles could not safely be applied all at ooce. Admitting more or less the force of the objections of 11011. Gentlemen opposite to corn mercial restriction, though he was not prepared to go the length they did; yet admitting their objections, he maintained that it would be extremely dangeroos and imprudent to withdraw aud duly all assistance from the commercial interests of that country. (Hese, bear) It might he said, that the system was altogether erroneous, and that they had begun at the wrong end in instituting such bounties and reitnetions. Perhaps it was so; but he would repeat. as they did exist, due caution and consideration must be made use of in modifying or littering them. Sir G. HILL said the linen trade was the staple manufacture of Ireland • it was carried an in every farm-house in the northern dis tricts, and the population found employment in it down even to children of six years old. The average amount of capital em barked in it was from 2,5001. to 10.0001. It was therefore, as the House would see, dispersed among a number of small mar ufac tureen, and in that respect wholly unlike the cotton and woollen manufacture in this country. Among proprietors possessing seat limited capitals the Irish Linen Board had exercised a most I.ene ficial influence. They had increased the trade in the course of a few years from a few hundred ehousends to five millions sterling. He doubted not that there would be found a market for twice as much of the article were the manufacture proportionably increased. The Board had a variety of objects in view, all calculated to pro mote the trade. They distributed the necessary implements, and encouraged new inventions in machinery calculated to facilitate and improve the manufacture. lie entertained no objection to the prin ciplesof the Board being Investigated, because he was satiehed It would appear the good effected by them was immense, and quite' equivalent to the grant of the House. Mr. HUME said there had bemoan his part no attempt to take ! the house by surprise—no want of notice. Four years ago he had divided this house on the very grant. In the next year a Corn- mince was appointed to investetate the subject, consisting princi pally, if not entirely, of Irish Members. The conclusion they came to was, that the trade was increasing, and it might be dan. ' gerous to interfere to check it. That was the result of the labours of the Committee. If the Ilonoumble Member for Derry (Sir George Hill) could prove that the Linen Bovril had advanced. the I trade from an inconsiderable amount to five millions, he would vote I for the grant, and support it. continuance. But he i (Mr. Hume) 1 was 'satisfied it had produced no such effect. On the contrary, he thought the effect of the Board had been to domineer over the ' , small capitalist engaged in the linen trade. The Right Honour- able Secretary for the Home Department had talked of the neces trite, of respecting the feelings of the people of Ireland. He was glad to hear the Ilor ourable Gentleman adopt such a tone. But how did the Linen Board respect the feelings of the Irish nation ? He was desirous of refraining from saying how deeply that Board had injured and insulted the feelings of the great majority of the people of Ireland. Out of the seventy-two officers connected with the Linen Board not one was a Roman Catholic. (Hear, hear.) Was this the way to conciliate Ireland ? He had been unwilling to advert to such a fact, but the funny of the country were deeply insulted by sneh a practice. (Hear.) He would oppose the grant —it was useless--worse than useless—an absurd and unnecessary expense. Ile should therefore persist in pressing his amendment, which went to reduce the grant to one-half its present amount. Mr. J. SMITH was obliged to differ on the present subject, and give his vote to Gentlemen opposite. It was impossible to apply the ordinary system of political economy to a country situated as Ireland was. No man respectrd that sretem more, or had a higher, idea of its Importance, but unfortunately it was wholly inapplicable to the present case. It was evident that several thousand persons were employed, not merely In productive, but what he might be permitted to call reproductive labour by means of the present grant. Ile believed that much more had been said of the danger of over mocking the market in the lament case than wu at all warranted by fact. He could relate one circumstance to the House which went to confirm that opinion. An extensive dealer in linens had lately told him (Mr. Smith) that he was willing to become a purchaser of that article to any extent at a certain price. He certainly concurred with his Honourable Friend the Member for Montrose (ale. Hume) in thinking it shameful that all the trustees are Protestants. That was an injury to the country and a reflection upon the Govern ment. lie (31r. Smith) had lately had considerable com manicat ion with Irish gentlem.n, and would take upon himself to prove, if necessary, nt the Bar of the House. that no peace or tranquillity could exist for Ireland without religious and political equality. He should very much like to know what was to become eventually of the Catholic Question. If that was not granted to Ireland it would be useless to rant any thing else. The House then divide, when there appeared— For the amendment of Mr. Hume, 17 ; and against it, 76. Several other items were agreed to without a division. On the resolution for granting 30811. to the Board of Commis sioners for the inland navigation of Ireland being proposed, 3tr. 111'3IE moved teat it should be reduced to 1681/. as it was the most arrant job in all Ireland, without having even the shadow Of a duty to perform. 31r. GOCLBURN replied in so low a tone of voice that we euncete beard Mae 4 but we understood him to any that, besides various other duties, the Board had to superintend the accounts. Upon a division there aepeared -lor the amendment, '27 ; against it, 75. The House then resumed, and the report was ordered to be brought up on Monday. SHERIFFS' COURTS IN SCOTLAND. _. _. .___ ... The Sheriff's' Courts Bill;;;;;Aul CANADA TRADE ACTS. The CommittceontlieEaui;iratle .Kta - - Was postponed till Friday next. DISSENTERS' MARRIAGE ACT. The second reading of the Dissenters Marriages Bill was also postponed till Friday. ANNUAL DL'TIES BILL. Upon thin Bill— Mr. SYKES said he would make a few observations upon our policy in this measure. Our policy, with regard to sugar, had been to confine our supply to wine very small portions of land in the Caribbean Sea, whilst that from our extensive territory in the East Indies wan entirely excluded by the prohibitory duties. This only tended to support the horrid 'poem of slavery. The draw back on wine had put 1,008,0001. into the pockets of the West In dia Proprietors. And yet it au said that drawbacks and bounties were not of benefit to Mena. If they did not benefit them he should like to know whom they did benefit. This policy was manifestly contrary to a ll soun d doctrines of political economy, and were nothing more nor leas than ugly excrescences. By this prohi bition of East India sugar we were deprived of the commerce of the whole of that vast peninsula. Ile knew that it exported rice, indigo, saltpetre, and other articles, but they were nut altogether equal to the demand ftir sugar. This system had, in fact, completely reduced the energy and productive power of India. On the authority of Sir. iiihh ee r, he would say, that six shillings per cwt, was the bonus given to the West Indies. Yet this bonus, by the confession of the Wen India proprietors, was not answtr- I N; the purpose; for year after year they came to the Ilouse asking for greater favour and for more cancer:ions. Be would say that bounties never did any good, but that they bad many very detri mental effects. Their object genera:ly was to make the exporter pay for the support of the foreign consumer, and to give bim an ad vantage Proportionate to the driadvantaires anger which we labour. It was said that the object of these duties was to Improve the stale .t,Ol `f of die popolation of the West India Islands ; but in his opinion, there was no sentiment more fallacious. The fact was quite the contrary, and might be proved by the examples of all the Islands from Demerara and Guiana to Jamaica. Mr. GORDON said that it was with some surprise he had heard the Honourable Member (Mr. Sykes) state that he was not an enemy to the West Indies, when the whole tenor of his speech contradicted the assertion. Let those who objected to give the pro peed and usual bounties to the West Indies, bring the subject be fore the House as a distinct motion, and give regular notice of it; a fair-opportunity might then be given to oppose them. If those • bounties were not continued, the Negro population would be re duced to a state of great misery. He (31r. Gordon) would call upon those who defended the West India Slaves to enable their proprietors to maintain them in comfort, which they could only do by means of those bounties. Mt. ROBERTSON said, that the only way to give effectual relief to the West Indies was by emancipating the slates. This was the real bounty which would be of service to the population. Colonel MABERLY observed, that it would be more to the interests of this country if it were altogether unconnected with the West Indies. This he knew to be, since the days of Adam Smith, the sentiment of all who had e nid any attention to political eco nomy. He maintained that Legland was carrying on a losing trade with those Islands, and that the sooner she got rid of them the greater would be her gain, for with them she would get rid of considerable expense and much trouble. Sugar might then be procured from other places to greater advantage, and a greater quantity of home produce would he taken in exchange. Mr. BLAIR made a few observations, which were inaudible in the gallery. Mr. R. ELLIS said that the compact entered into between the Mother Country and her Colonies should never be forgotten. On this principle he objected to the:course pursued by the Honourable Member (Mr. Sykes) who itsd introduced the debate, and con tended that we ought not to deprive the West India Colonies of the protection afforded them by those bounties. He did not know how the llonourable Member could complain of this protection, when all our other Colonies were equally protected. The Hon. Gentle man then argued, that if they wished to make the Ilandoos culti vators, to a great extent, of sugar, still they had not the 'dime claim upon the protection of Parliament; because, if the manufacturers and cultivators of England are maintained in the possession of psi. alleges for the protection of their industry, to tho injury of the West India Colonies, so the West India Colonies should be main tained in the possession of theirs to the injury of the East. If they proceeded upon a system of favouritism from reasons of blood, language, habits, or interest, the West Indies were clearly entitled to a preference over the strangers of Hindoetan. Again, it had been said that it was wicked to continue receiving or Did the produce earned front the sweat and blood of slavery. Did any lion. Gentleman know to what that argument would lead ? Did they recollect that the cotton of America was the produce of slavery-- that the cotton of Brazil was the. produce of slavery—that the mines of Mexico were worked by slaves—and that in all these countries' the slaves were replaced and recruited from the continuance of that very trade which they bad successfully exerted their efforts to abo lish ? Were they then one whit lees guilty ? was there one shade less criminality in their using that produce which came to them indirectly from the crimes of strangers, than in encouraging that which might be called their own, and which was produced by a slavery no toriously milder and gentler than that which they would wink at, or by connivance support? (Hear, hose.) Let them but putsue this principle of rejecting all slave labour as far nit would lead them, and they must finally put an end to all commercial inter. course—a sacrifice which he did not believe the President of the Board of Trade, or the manufacturers of Lancashire, would be very willing to adopt. (Hear, hear.) The bounties on refined sugars, he contended, had been encouraged by various Acts of Parliament. Great Capitals had been sunk upon the faith of their continuance, and it would be gross injustice to take these away without an equivalent. All they asked was, that the refined sugars in Jamaica and in this country should be placed upon'an equal footing. If it was supposed that the repeal of the duties upon rum offered any material compensation, he could tell the House, that unless the measure underwent a great alteration, it would be a nsaterial injury. He did not, however, mean to go into that ques tion at present, as other opportunities would be afforded ; and beg ging pardon of the House foe troubling it so long, he would repeat, that the West India interest had not received an equivalent for what it had lat. (Hear, hear.) Mr. F. BUXTON had hoped that some reply would have been made to the speech of the Member for Cricklade (31rOordon), who had charged his Hon. Friends with a design to oppress the West India interest. That charge he denied. lie never approached the subject without pain and reluctance—certainly never sought it from any interested motive of prejudice or passion. At that hour he would not trouble the House to any extent, hut be would just explain why. as it had been said, a rise in the price of sugar injures and a reduction benefits the negro slave. ll'lten the price of sugar is reduced, so as not to afford a fair re:nunerating price, the planter either grows less, or cultivates something else ; if he grows ess, there is a reduction of labour to the slave, a cessation of oppression, and above all, a discontinuance of the necessity of employing women. The condition of the slave is therefore better. In the other case, when a planter grows something else, it is most probably, provisions; and do not all who have written or ' thought upoirthe inbject agree, that nothing Is more to be desired than that the negro should be employed in purposes of agriculture, because he gets mote provisions, and is subjected to much less hardship ? High prices and large bounties, by creating an artificial demand, injured the slave; low prices gave a diminution of toil and increase of provisions. In Barbadoes the negro', raised, on an average, two and a hallhundred weight per man ; in Jamaica, five ;in Demerara, seven. Let them look at the consequences. In the first, where there was more of provision and less sugar raised, there had been a small increase in the number of the negroes ; in the second, a slight diminution ; and in the third, a mortality almost equal to a pestilence. Ife contended, therefore, that the encouragement of high priced sugar was injurious to the slave. (Hear, hear.) Mr. TRA NT thought these discussions had a very bad effect upon both East and West India interests. Mr. li RIG I I T said, the argument of the Member for Weymouth (Mr. Buxton) was most extraordinary. He seemed to consider that all the Islands were equally fertile. There was no analogy whatever in the cases he produced. He might as well compare the Jamaica negro to the slave in the mines of Mexico. His argument of low prices was equally unhappy. How could the planter feed or clothe the creatures over whom he had power, unless he had it himself? (Hear, hear.) The slave, where the price is low, would be only urged to produce the more--the very reverse of him position. (Hear, hear.) The Hon. Gentlemen opposite bath called them selves the friends of the West Indies. Let them show themselves so, and let his Majesty's Ministers, who seemed unwilling to take any part in the debate, do the ll'est Indies justice by putting them on the footing from which they lied been pushed. (Hear.) The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he had not merited the reproaches of the Member for Bristol. His reasons for not taking part in the debate were, tent there was no obection contained in any thing he had heard to the third rea ding of that hill which he had moved. Honourable Gentlemen had taken occasion to throw out certain suggestions and opinions in a general way, to which lie was not called upon to give any answer, and he therefore thought there was nothing disrespectful in his silence. His opinions, he would say, were contained in the Bill—that Bill was the very same u lest year : and as he had not proposed an , scale of duties different fr ont what existed before, he did not think himself called upon to answer abstract principles of political economy. After a few words from Mr. W. SMITH, the Bill was then read third time, and passed. Mr. WYNN obtained leave to bring in a bill for tegulating the Transportation of (Mender from St. Helena. Mr. HERRIES presented • petition from the Journeymen Car. penters in favour of the Equitable Loan Bank. Mr. HERRI ES gave notice of his intention to move the Civil Contingencies on Monday. The other orders of the day were then disposed of--and the House Adjourned at HALF-PAST TWELVE. PRICES OF RKITISII 3 per Cent. Cane. 93i I Ditto Acct. 03j New 4 per Gen , . 101% i 104 Bank for Arc. 240 231 i India Bonds 32 84 pill MOCKS YESTERDAY. India for Amt. 281 1141. LOON. 53 65 pm Ditto. 500/. 53 58 pm Ditto. Snapll 53 68 pm Lottery Tickets, 191.105. PRICES OF FOREIUN Amnion Bonds 984 Ditto Aect. 981 1 Bragllion Bonds 1181 Pitto Scrip (1825) 24 pat Ditto Acct. 24 epm • Buenos Ayres Bonds 32 Ditto Acct. 911 Chaim Bends 901 I Ditto Acet. VI Colombian Bonds 91+ Ditto Bonds (1821) 911 1 Ditto Acct. 911 Danish Bonds 1011 French Rentes 1051. 75c. Exchange 25f. 10e. Ditto Bank Shares MK. Exchange 25f 10c. Greek Bonds 521 3 COURSE OF EXCII A Amsterdam C. 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THE ATRR ROYAL, COVENT-GARDEN. This Evening, SATURDAY. March 19, will be Performed WIVES AS THEY WERE AND MAIDS AS THEY ARE. Lord erlory, Mr. W. Farren ; Sir William Doff'lon, Mr. Fawcett; Sir George Evelyn, Mr.Cnoper. Lady Priory, Wes Jonee ; Lady Mary Rattle, Mrs. Gibbs; Mtge DortHon, Miss Foote. After which.. ALADDIN; or, THE WONDERFUL LAMP. Aladdin, Mrs. Vining; Abanazar, Mr. Farley; Karrack. Mr. J. S. CHA. znakli. Widow, Mrs. Davenport. THEATRE ROYAL, ENGLISH OPERA HOUSE, STRAND. MATIMVS AT HOME. Th la Evening. SATURDAY, March 18, out on Mondays, Thilredan. and Saturdays. MR. MATHEWS' MEMORANDUM-900K of Petullaritlea, Characters, and Manners, collected during his various Tripe. Sorros—" Memoranda In Confusion"—'• Night Coach•—•' Bubbles.' a copies/ Song—•• Sailing Match"--" Old and New Timss•—" Public Other, Doweareet. PART Monopolylogue. to be caned THE CROWN INK DANGER. Doors open at Seven; the Performance to commence at Eight. Please to be taken of Mr. Stevenson. at the Boi-cdice. Strand Entrance, from Ten till Five. Carr:rm.—The new Entertainment wLU not be printed: and all Books professing to contain any parts of It are gross impositions and frauds cm the Po-Lie. ADELPHI THEATRE, STRAND. This Evening. StTUßDAV. — isarch 10. will be promoted THE LIFE OF AN ACTOR. The Principal Character, by Messrs. Wrench, J. Reeve. Wilkinson. Power, Lao. Brown, Meredith, Salter, and Elliott; Melidantea Bode% Arnold, Daly, Searle, Bryan, &c. etc. After which, ODDS AND ENDS, Or, S.tILOR.S AND ACTORS. Gag, Mr. J. Reeve. In the course of the Evening a variety of Entertainments. To conclude with the Burleaque of MORE BLUNDERS THAN ONE; OR, THE IRISH VALET. Larry Hoolagan. Mr. Power; Louisa Lovemone, MIN S. B..x.th. The EiIITISM rani commenced puhlistung yoeferday matting at five o'clock. LONDON, SATURDAY, MAtcm 19, 1623. The Paris Papers of Wednesday bring us the conclusion of the debates on the Law of Indemnity. The remaining amendments having been disposed of, the Chamber of Deputies proceeded to the ballot on the main question, whether the entire law as amended in the course of the discussion should pass ? For the law there were 259 votes ; against it, 14t; majority in favour of the law, 135. It was accordingly declared to be adopted. Great surprise was expressed at the considerable numbers of the minority in a Chamber, from which by one means or other the French Minister has contrived to exclude almost every person likely to be opposed to his system of administration. Three amendments, supported by M. Dr VILLSLL on Tuesday, were rejected. The violence of the Royalists, and the little pains the Emigrants take to disguise their intention to resume possession of their confiscated estates, have given rise to some disquietude and alarm among the proprietors of the national domains. The Emigrants too plainly regard the indemnity only as a " payment on ac count," by way of allowance, for their dispossession during the last thirty years. The King of NAPLES, by an Ordinance dated the Bth of February, has pt.rdoned all prisoners under sentence for all crimes but that of robbery. He has also forgiven all the lat. ter, whose terms of confinement expire in the year 1826. Thu principal object of this measure seems to be to give liberty to the numerous persons suffering for political offences. The Etats' quotes from the Augsburg Gazette a letter from Constantinople dated February 20, which states that the conspiracy there had been of a very serious character, and that some of the parties implicated belonged to the Palace; among them is mentioned the astrologer Sainscn lux MIATAIIIA, who had srdoyed the entire confidence of the Sucraw. The last Finnan, for altering the value of the current coin, had occasioned great irritation among the. populace. The Atlgetneine Zeilteng of the 12th instant gives, from its correspondent at Constantinople, the following account of the late disorders in that capital. We think there east hardly be a doubt now, even with the most sceptical, as to the issue of the struggle between the Greeks and the Turks:— " CONSTANTINOPLE, FEZ. 10. " We have for some time been witnes•es of a commotion, which very seriously threatenel the life of the Sultan, and filled both Franks and Greeks with alarm. Several Ortaa of the Janissaries bed been gained over to bring about a change in the Gorernment, and even persons employed about the Sultan's person took part in the plot; so that had not a Janissary betrayed the conspiracy. which had very extensive ramifications, the greatest excesses might have been feared from the discontent which is almost universally preva lent among the Turks. The cons pi rators are appr ehended, end with the exception of some fugitives, already executed. This event has, botrexer, rather increased than allayed the firmest:aka. In the streets, in the Turkish quarters of the city, the parmb gave vent to the most violent abuse of the Sultan, and clearly meal. Tested their discontent by ill-treating one of his favourite& The Grand Visier, the Aga of the Janissaries, and the Pubs Assaf of Bujukdere, exerted themselves incessantly to prevent a general insurrection. But as soon as the mutinous Janimarim Vele Sp. passed the Aga was dismissed, because he had inflamed their minds by too great severity. It seems that the Sultan is aides. venting to pacify the Janissaries. if the situation of the ear gre al e is alarming, the accounts from the provinces are, in an equal unfavourable. " In Greece, the party which had risen against the Central Go. vernment is ertirzly suppressed, and ti n latter is making active preparations for a new campaign. It has purchased for this purpose two frigates and three small ships of war in £n land s which are expected at Napoli di Romania. On the 3d of this month the Pcrte received a letter from the very suspicious Omer Vrinne, in which he says, he has base compelled by his troops to abandon the military positional.' bad hitherto held, and that he is not i n a con di t i on to de any thing fee the Porte, be cause his own solilkes are in a state of mutant, &c. " The Porte probably is coorimed that theme an all Idle tit. Ip S Li I ii ~' I 4 ,,p1,1 ~.