The Statesman. — London, England, 1818-03-03 00:00:00

r !, ~" ,fflWif II -chance of succeeding.—lt was not less for the in terests of the e lectors than the candidates, because it prevented a Ilvati , 4 being thrust upon them, mere!! by his disabling his arketsary to support the eudenco. The espence of the hustings would be small to the county. as the materials w.lold be sold; but they were great to the candidates. At present a condi. dal"' might evade the expence of the busting' by being proposed by his friends; so that the new clause would not give any tithlifinnat encooragement to wanton contests. Redid not see the expediency of petting off the operation of any clauses, as it was for the approach of aGeneral Election that they' were i n tended.' As to the delay by o bjections made to votes, it was : Provided that the poll Should go on *bile objPetiOsts were argued. Upon a division the numbers • F-/else otiginal Mution 4! 5 Apit.it it - main( if) , Ths Bill of course was Inst. Sir Samuel Romilly's Bill for making certain Amendments in the Penal Code, was read a second time, and ordered to be committed to-morrow. COlllt'rl OF JUSTICE IN IRELAND. er4olol NEWPORT asked what progress had been made by the Commissioners appointed to et, amine into the quite of Offices and Fees in Courts : et Justice in Ireland? Mr. PEEL stated, that three several Reports had been made by the Commissioners, and that they were ender the consideration of the Lord Chancellor 'end the Master of the Rolla. With respect to one object of enquiry, which had been particularly al luded to on a former occasion, the Fees of the Clerk of the Pleas were received into the Treasury, and were consequently subject to the disposal of that Moose. Important changes were also suggested in the Court of Exchequer. Sir JOIIN NEWPORT expressed himself satin. fed, and hoped the examination going on would con tribute much to the due administration of justice in Ireland. Mr. CALCRAFT bad.* few motions to submit to • avbich'he hoped there would be no objection. They respected some returns that had been called for. The Hon. Member then moved that there be laid before the House a return of the e ff ective strength of (M -erl" Non-Comtaissioned (Mere, and' Neste', of . the British Army, to the Ist of Jan. ISIS; and an account of the number of Horses employed in the army for the same period. The Hen. Member also moved for an account of the number of Recruits from the 24th Dec. 1816 to the 'lsth Dec. 1817, distin .gui.hing, the number of boys. And also, for an ac count of the number of Casualties-in the Aril' , from the 35th Dec. 1816 to the same data in 1817: . The motions we,. agrPeil to. ARMY ESTIMATES. The CHANCELLOR of toe EXCHEQUER • moved, tbat the House should resolve itself into a Committee of Supply ; and that the grant of Es chequer Hills, of which be had given notice, and the Irish Treasury Bills, should be referred to the ',aid Committee ; which motions were agreed to. • The House having resolved itself into the 'Com mittee, • • Lord PALMERSTON rose to submit the Army Animates to the Committee; and in -doing so, he might premise that they were so dry and uninterest ing, that he was equally anxious with many Mem bers that they should occupy as little of the time of the Committee as possible. At lite present period especially, it Would not be necessary that be should trespass long upon the time of the Committee, sal the Finance Committee had printed, in the Appendix to their Report, a very minute detail of the Esti mates of 1817 end this year. In laying his state ments before them, therefore, it would hardly he necessary to do any thing but refer them to the -Re. port. The expences of the Army were more last year than the present by 188,0271. 19s. 3d. ; but if , they compared the amount of the whole charges with last year's, including all the establishments, it would be seen that the total was lest by 418,0001. Upon a view of the numbers of men, there would be found a diminution of ODS men in the troops of England and the Colonies. In Ireland there had been, last a ear, 22,000 men. This year the amount was 20,000. It was Impossible entirely to equalise the numbers, but he stated the reductions such as they were upon a general calculation. The Army in France had been reduced in total 13,344; and if a general view should be taken of the whole nem. hers, including reduction' in India, there would be a diminution of 21.640 men, or in round numbers 22,000 men. Without g oing through any very n joule details, the laud Purses might he stated at a reduction of 7.4.0001. The Staff was consider ably increased ; -the sum, he believed. was about 3,75-11. Cont.itletable alterations would be found to have taken place in the Estimates connected with the West Indies. There was a diminution of 16,5571. in the item of public departments. In the office of the C em msoder.in.Chief, a diminution had taken place of 1.3001.; and in the War-office, a diminution of 6,436 t.; hut this year a smaller sum was required, on account of the cessation of some o f th e i r ello nees. In the other otlices there would be found small arti cles of variation, all of which he should not cotes 1111 Prate. A most important change was the Muster- Masser-General's-office having been abolished, and tie duties transferred to other offices. The redaction - by that was 2,9181. The whole of the reductions is the offices, &c., made upwards of 16,5501. There was an increase in the item of medicines of 11,2651. Oil that he might observe, that there was not an in crease in the supply of medicines ; but this year there bad been bought and paid for a considerable quantity more than was necessary for the services of the year. In the item of volunteer corps there would be found an increase of 16,8761. There was also an a 6 dition made to the East India troops for recruiting, &c., of 3,4511. The Royal Military College esta blishment was diminished by 2,6401. There would' be a difference in the Estimates of this and next year on this point in the sum of 7501. In the pay of General Officers there was a diminution of 21091. Upon the half-pay and military allowances, there was an increase of 32131., and in the foreign half-pay of 29231. In the Hospitals of Chelsea and Kilmain ham including in and out pensioners, there was re •clett:ed • sum of 101,6241. mote than lest year; but there might he alterations made in the course of the year by casualties and accidents, which could not be exactly calculated upon. Au it ought to be recol- I - e f I /' .. x ~~. e • 7 STEAM BOATS. Oa Ihe motion hf Mr HARVEY, the Bill for better war. 1 4 , log the Nifet) of loosesigers In Slesteei linata , 11•44 rear h second time, and ordered to h committed on Friday, the I,,th instant, PItISCIAS Pi IRELAND. Mr. PEEL Moved for lane to bring o a Rill for Abolishing Pmnn reris in Ireland Sir l FLOJI) expremed his cordial approbation of the . _ lama ore. • The hill was read a first time, and ordered to be rend 4second time this day fortnight. HANK TWA ENS. The CHANCELLOR of the VW!! EQUgit rose, in coning mity'with 'be notice lie gave on rues. • day last, to move for leave to bring in a lJiit to, amend the Act of the last Session, for stoppingfte circulation of Batik Tokens. By the Bill of last year, Bank Tokens were, under a certain penally, to he withdrawn from circulation, after the u t o, „f this month. But circumstance.. rendered such a p ro . ceeciitig extrentelyinconvenleril. It Wit,, C,pro„ r e s proposed to sutler them to be made use of, for par. ticular purposes, for a year longer. If Gentleauq . proceeding to the Sessions, or going on Circaiti would carry in their carriage. i few bags of "the res • ) gular currency and exchange with their p.,or neighs hours for the Bank Tokens, it was astorrishing what trouble they • would save, and what benefit they would confer. This would completely prevent any loss the holders of Bank 'Yokel's might otherwise eaperience after the 9.5 th of March. The arrange. event for delivering the silver coin last year, Was ad. • mirably calculated for convenience and dispatch-- , end, he believed, something of the MVP sort weed be adopted now, for the purpose of facilitating the elchange of Bank Tokens. for the legal coin of the realm. It would be proposed by the Bill to allow any person to pay or receive .Bank Tokens, for the ensuing twelve months, without being subject to Pe. natty. They might be used in the payment of lases, and a provision would be introduced to allow them, • in certain cases, to be received in payment of rents. He hoped Gentlemen would take them in payment • of resits, UP they would not be subject to any pe. na tty, an d w ould be alone called on not to issue' them again, except to the Bank, or to persons who meant to deposit them there. - The Right lion. Gen. tleman concluded by moving for leave to bring in a Bill to amend the Act of.last Session, relative to Bank Tokens. Mr. le. LEWIS observer!, that the price of silver had risen considerably, and he feared the silver coin would go out of circulation; therefore, the better plan would be, to let the Bank issue a coinage of their own. M r.. J. SMITH said, the new French Loan had certainty an effect on the price of bullion. But the Bank hail great quantities of cash in their posse!. sion, end tie had (111 doubt but that they would make such issues as should relieve the Public from the iiteonv,cnierice they_ now laboured under. M r. GREN FELL thought there would be nothing to prevent the circulation of Tokens after the 25th moat. for if paid in rent end takes. they might he again re-issued by the parties receiving them. He hoped the expence of transmitting them to the Bank would le borne by the Government, arid not by the Burk of England or the C oun t r y B an ks„ The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, one of the objects of the Bill would be, to re lieve the Country Banks from the espence of trans. mission ; end when Tokens were paid in tales,it vas intended that the transmission should be also at the vspeurs of Government. Leave was given to bring in the Bill. Mr. LUSIIINGTON brought up the North Arne. ican Trade Bill, which was read a Mat, and ordered to he read a second time to-morrow. At half.past 11, the House adjourued. • \ ; ~, , ~~ _ , .~ , ,~-.ti,,.... .0 • FLANDERS MAILS. HAGUE, FEB. 25.—8 y a Decree of the 42d, his Majesty has accepted the resignation tittered hy. his Royal Highness the Prince of Orange, of the func tions of the Minister of War. His Royal Highness tetains all his other military employ alPtiti. By a Decree of the 231. the Ministry and the General Administration of War are united. • Count de.Goltz, late Commiasary.Getieral of %War, is named Mvmber of the First Chaniber of the State; General M. Piper. Es•lntendatit.Gelieral of %Var, is named Secretary of State, having the War Depart merit ; and Major-General D'Aubrems, Commander of a Division of Infantry, at Amsterdam, promoted to the rank of Lienteirarit.Geoeral is charged with one part of the War Department, and will work im. mediately with his Majesty. Thus it appear., that the plan of an Aulic Council of War, if it indeed ewer was intended, has been given up. VIENNA, Fes. 1 l.—A report was !weld at the beginning of the week that there had been an inaor rection at Naples, and that the Royal Family had . quitted the capital ; we hese jest learned with cer tainty that these reports are greatly eiaggerated, and that the *hole is redticed to an affray which took plsce in a littlri town some miles.from , between whet militia - owl the regular troops; they fought with great fury on both aides: night hardly separated the combatants. The following day order wits per featly re-established. PETcasnutton,lbFEs• 4.—The celebrated "Immo of the Cossacks and General of Cavalry, Count Plata, lately died at Nototscherkash. • Loci OT THE SHIP BERKELEY.—NORrOLE, JAY. 24.—The British ship Berkeley, Captain DENT, Pit. ed 'from A 'mutt' Dry, Jamaica, on the 2d of Nowem• her last, with a cargo of rum, sugar, and pimento, hound for this port, and on the 17th of the same month, during a strong northerly gale, was wrecked on the Colloredos rel.?. The crew were all saved, and the Captain etpected to have saved a part of the cargo, by carrying it in heats to an adjoining Island, hut a party of Si.moinrila laid siege to it on the night lof the lit of December, and after plundering th• I ship of every article, even to the cabin stores, which they could conveniently carry off; set the ship on fire. Captain DENT was only able to save 33 hags of pim•nto, and a few small articles which had been c°o• ♦eyed to The island. and which esc , ;ped she obcerva• (ion of those rapacious savages. The Ciphtin mud crew afterward* found means to get to ilagraatkah, from *hence the former has written an account of hi• dimooter to his cothiguee at this place.--(•CW Yor k Evening Pest.) • li r► • ..."..A.64.••,%41‘,04 ~~ TIIE STATESMAN. Jecterl, that there wax to be deducted the sum of 35,31,41. The „casualties, pension", &e. for the last four I ears (*. understood the Noble Lail to say) had Iseett - on an ays;rage upwards of 180,0001. 26 w/oily. There was reason, however, •to expect that in the present seer the sum required would not be so great. In the Military As)lum there had been made a diminution of 1,5641 ; and in the items of %Videos' Pensions, there was a diminution of 10111: In the. Compassionate List, there *fluid be perceived a reduction of 16961. ; and in the item of reduced Adjutants of Local Militia, an increase of 13051. 1 is she sixpences of the troops in France, there was a reduction in the sum total of 175,1831. In the West Indies there was a small increase, irking from the circumstance that two of the regiments that went out had only remained part of the year. There would be found, upon the whole, a saving in the total charge of troops, &c., in 1818, of the sum of 188,0001. and the whole charge, including the troops in France, India, &c., would be found to be less by 418,0001, and the •whole number of men in the Estimate, when compared with the Estimate of 'last year, was less by upwards of 21,000. The Noble Llrd concluded by moving the first Regale tion in the Committee. " That 113,640 be the nem.' her of mess for the military services of Great Britain, Ireland,. &C. for the present year." ' After the Resolution had been pot from the Chair, Mr. CA LCRAFT said, as far as respected the force applicable to the general service of Great Bri tain, and the occupation of the Northern part of France, he considered the greet of 79,000 men too great for the objects proposed to be obtained. It appeared to him that 20,416 men, the number re quired for the 01d stations, as well as 12,600, alleged to be requisite for the new, were not warranted by I our establishments . in these stations, in former times of peace, although he would admit they were not very much over.reted. But certainly, to calculate the force for the service of Great Bri tain alone at 25,936 men, was one to which he could never assent. For a similar purpose, in 1792, the House had been called on to vete only 15,000 men, with which, too, several in that House expressed their dissatisfaction, as more than were absolutely necessary. It was the more sur prising that so large a vote should be moved for by the Noble Lord, as there was an English army lit France ready at band in case of emergency, amounting to near 23,000 men. Upon such an Estimate he should, therefore, take the first oppor tunity to move, when the )louse was more folly attended, that the vote should be considera bly curtailed, were it only to show the country there was erre man et least in the House who did not look upon this extravagant tote with unbe coming indifference. Could a case be shown suf ficiently strong as to establish the necessity of such a force, he should, of course, wave his intended op position—as yet its necessity had not been establish. ed. The items of our military expence were exces sively oppressive upon a country groaning, as this was, under accumehrted taxation. The interest of the National Debt must be paid yearly, or at least raised some how or other. The Right Honourable the Chancellor of the Exchequer, he apprehended, must feel a little difficulty its sanctioning such votes as this, when he recollected the inconvenience he might be put to in trying to raise the money required. lie knew it beriberi§ been said last year that 25,000 men were not too much for presersing the peace and assisting the civil power in Great Britain; yet he must confess he could but see why, in the year 1818, nearly double the force should he required for the same purposes as had been voted in 1792. Ireland, too, it should be recollected, though not in a flourish ing state, was nevertheless peaceable and patient, though suffering_ the most heart-rending privations. Why also a greater force should he granted for the preservation of our East India possessions, was also a most extraordinary phenomena. That country 'sever had been been better affected towards us than at the present moment, nor our alliances more ex tensive or respectable. Under these circumstances, he should, unless hereafter satisfied, move for a re duction of this force to 8 or 9000 men less. Sir M. W. RIDLEY considered the waggon train a force peculiarly objectionable to any great extent, as the military always had it in their power to press the carts or vehicles of the country round into their service. With respect to the recruiting service, he could not help regretting that the expences charged on that service appeared nearly equal to the bounties given for recruits. Pensions also to the amount of 7501. annually on so young an establishment as the Military College, he considered very objectionable, and likely to be looked at with suspicion. The set tlement of the Barrack Master's accounts bad cost the country in itself so much money, that the kind ness in effecting the reduction of that office had been the less sensibly felt. Lord PA LM ERSTON defended the waggon train, as eminently useful, as had been found in the late campaign; the forge and spring carts were not to he had but in this description of service, the latter of which bad been most serviceable and appropriate in removing the wounded from Waterloo. It was in tended to make other reductions, as soon as could possibly be effected, in other branches of the service, and every thing or situation, not conducive to the ' service, should be sacrificed to its permanent kite rests. A less force at home than that proposed could not effect the relief of foreign garrisons, and it would be highly unconstitutional to permit a corps to re main abroad for ever. A force of 4or 5000 would be by this means always in transitu, and necessarily decrease the nomber on the home station. Taking into consideration the alteration in the military pos ture of all Europe since 1792, it was not wonderful sech a vote as that of 1792 should be inadequate to the home service in the present year. Mr. W A RRE considered the British forces in Picardy, were, from the proximity to England, per fectly available en the shortest notice, if their ser vices should he requisite at home. Mr. PEEL was happy to congratulate the House on the confidence it reposed in the loyalty and good feeling generally admitted to pervade all Ireland, al though suffering, to' common with other's of his Me jesty's subjects, the severest privations. Much of this was to be attributed to the more perfect admi nistration of justice, and the promptitude of the civil power. That 18,000 then were all that was sary for Ireland was the more remarkable, for, in in t, 15,000 "AA . c ht, voted for the service - . 914liat eq .fP . 1 11 ? &M OM reduction of -the' last .ye to i Fr fa ) to.234•Aers to 20, oridArow''.ll3,ooo, Okovet4 in . OW,. Otos' Alvfactorityi Abe rapid gill;istltAl internal tranquillity i. !reload:. . . • Sir WILLIAM BURROUGHS could not see any such great reasons fur cougratilation with re spect to the smallness of force now required to keep the-peace in that country. In the American war dim Were,not fire thousand men there, and yet the Irish considered themselves for the greatest part em ba4ed in the cause for which America fought.— The reduction effected altogether' this year, was no more than about 2,000, compared with last year, yet the revenue of last year was well known to be but 5l millions, and its expenditure 65. millions. Notwithstanding this deficit of 14 millions, ac knowledged last year, would the House go on thus voting away ,money the People would not make good ? Nor should the Ministry reckon upon the Property-Tie in any shape as likely to come to their aid ; the public feeling was too strongly against. it : and he more especially warned the Right Honour able Gentleman (the Chancellor of the Exche quer) not to attempt any breach of faith with the public creditor, by an application of the Sinking Fund, to enable them to meet the difficulties their present extravagance must lead them into. He ex pressed himself resolved to support the motion of his Hon. Friend when it should be brought forwaid. Lord PALM ERSTON and Mr. W AKRE sere- ined rally exilic _o. Mr. BA BINGTON expressed a hope that the soi Mira receiving pensions might be freed from certain Inconvettieeces to which he understood they were at present Imposed. Mr. C. LONG declared his readiness to concur in any suggestions that might be proposed hy the lion. Member for effecting so desirable an object ; but he had flattered himself that his own esertions in respect to that point hitherto, had not been altogether un availing. Mr. FORBES complained, that a detailed state. merit had not been laid before the House of those offi cers who receittel pensions. •He feared it might be found, on enquiry, that the navy was not, in-respect of pensions, placed on thesame footing as the army. Lord PA IA Eusros replied, that the statement alluded to was tint usually laid before the House ; but if the lion. Member moved for it, it should he granted. Ile denied that any partiality hail ever been shown to one service more than to another. — The pensions given to officers of the army were given by one department, bet to the o:.icers of the navy by another ; coosequettily the idea of partiality or of preference to flue serviee more than to the other, was wholly unfounded. Ile felt convinced that in the mode of granting pensions to otticers of the' army, no abuse whatever existed. A re.essenination of some cases had been considered necessary, mt, no person could maintain that a pension which Ina been granted on a certain contlitiou, should not cease when the cssolition ceased ; but if tie Hon. Gentleman would in private slate a 0130 where a pen. .sion withdrawn ought to be continued, or %here continued ought to be withdrawn, he should be ex tremely happy to esaniirie the case with him.— . Hear, hear 1 ..] The Resolution was then agreed to. The following Resolutions were then put and car. ried : V,471.1411. for the pay of the land forces of Great Britain, at home and abroad, with the exception of the troops in Frunce and India, from the 24th December, 1817, to the 2 ith December, 1818, both iarlusi.e. her, 817.t141. to to the r the elan land forces of I lBl relan B. d, from the 21th DeCe ol . 1817, December, 11b ,7071. for the General Stag' ()dicers of Great Britain. at home and abroad, with the exception of those io France and India. 33.8601. for the Georral Staff °Seers of Ireland. 137,3631. for allowrmcea to certain Officers io Public Depart ment. in Great Britain. 8,8201. fur allowances to persons in similar Departments in Ireland. •27 65:11• fur the Medical and Sergical I)eparunent In Great Britain. 10.0311. for the same Department io Ireland. 94.(10 d. fur Volunteer Corps in Great Britain. 31,5401. for Volumene Corps in Ireland. 855,4191, fur the Laud Forces in France. 214751 fur Recruiting Carps iu the service of the East India Company. 25,5141. for the Royal Military College. 175,6721. for the Pay of General Officer. in Great Britain, not being Colonel< of Regiments. 23631. for the Sallie service in Ireland. 46,2391. for the Garrivoos of Great Britain, at home and •broad. 7,1';91. for the I:arrival), of Ireland. 149,0001. for the 101 l pay of Retired Officers in Great Britain. 3.6971. for the full pay of Retired Officery in Ireland. 601,7301. Sur the half-pay of Reduced Othcetv is Great Britain. taiu. 50,1751. for the the tea-pay of Officers in Ireland. 28.5601. for allowances to Reduced ()dicers in Great Britaia, 136,1c01. far Pensions to Retired Officers in Foreigu Corps. 44,0121. ss. 9d. for the 1n- l'ensiotiers of Chealsea Hospital. 16,7111:1. 7s. 9d. for the In-Peuiioners of Kilonagtham. 872,1991. 10s. 4d. for the Out-Pensiouers of Chelsea. 180,1331. Y.. lid. for the I tut.Prosioners of Kiloureham. 3Y,8511. Co. 3d. tit, the Royal Military As.slurn at Chehea. .80,4181. for Widow.' Firming. in Great Britain. • 111,4151. I Is. 2 I. for Widows Pensions in Ireland. 161,9061. S. 7d. fur the Compassionate List, Royal Bounty, :c. 20,809. for Rednred Adjutants of Local Militia. • %7.4b01. for Superannuation , to Public Departiucnts is Great' Attain. 7,1111. Ills. 811. for Sup/animations in Ireland. on. 00. . 55,0001. fur Exchequer tee, 52.1161. for Corps in Great Britain. to be reduced in 181& Y,SBII. fur Corps in Ireland. to be reduced in 1818. he CHA NCELLOIt of the EXCHEQUEtt then moeetl, that the ,um of 2.00J,00,11. be granted for discharging interest on Exchequer Hills, Irish Treasury Bills, and Abut Notes , which whn agreed to. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCH EQUE.R then moved, that the sum of 1,C95,6151. be granted for Treasury Bills, isseed for Ireland in JBl6, prirsuaat to the Act of the 56th Geo. 111. c. 47. now outstanding and unprovided for. The said Revolution being carried. the Right Honourable Gentleman thou moved, that there be granted the sum of 560,00J1. being 100th part of 58.0.'0,0031. of Exchequer Bill!, which were authorized in the last Session of Parliament to be issued on the charges of the Aids of the prewnt year. to be paid in equal quarterly payment., to the Governor and Company of ;he Batik of England, to be by them placed to the account of the Cum atigsiouers for the recinctiou of the National Debt. This grant being voted, Mr. WA [ME rose to ask the Right Honnorrible Gentleman, what sum this country was hound to pay for the eri et ion of fortreesses in the Netherlands ? The CHANCELLOR. of the EXCHEQUER said, that we bad counter claims on the Government of She Netherlands. which would nearly reduce its demands, and it might not be necessary, ultimately, to call on this House to furnish any part of the sum to he applied to that purpose. Mr. SHAW asked what with was to be paid by France to this country for Contributions, and whether any part would be applied to the service of the country this year? Ile CH A NCELLOR of Oh PAM Egu ER said. that no part of the Fres. b Contributions would be so applied.• but the Government of France would pay the expence of the Army of Occupation, and the remainder or the money would be abp.ied toward4the charges of erecting the fortresses in the Nei herhindS. The Resolutions were then carried. and the Itepiurt was or dered to be brought up to morrow, and the Committee to sit again on Wedaezday. • 4 ii.Z.? • • , i i t ti' - • - .7? I