The Statesman. — London, England, 1822-03-02 00:00:00

r*IMPIP ~' 1~~ ~`J r. „A NN pablic eeeiwiimb• nor were scarcely two Ton g 4comiels lad eel that table which agreed witl o t h itier sal Wilierd himself to.,promi 'boo Awl veil iota the CimitgAileg Amos the' Wt. He Nought Riafeters might la Ate the eimpWitioo of just:meets themselves, whitest rallies egostilie base to kit. Wen ba in o ,bas loot pp spa A ds to Jo that he might to eM Ntssill. • 11sCR4XCELLOW of,the Exuaintlia be bid Cirri enprempd any intend* of **Mug Its Hesse tor seelt.lateasere t whit Om said was, flit lie *old wove tarts .Cosoluittee, to whom he a b as le reset a plea of his owe. The mosemolve at z newo rspde up st present, came from tliterestrellese, vet zle up wills diterrat views, and Into sea foam. they aortal* .o il leat.pn• evil, clear idea of the puma mesprota • yintillititty.clid est wish to raise a ipiliaajt; be walk alit why they mutoe iht Urine it were appointed evisheohleu Wr i er, the Report meld not he reeked wadi o'er the Far the satisfaction of pll partial - there, is P l a i l t oat of aeon, it would he Wier ler blllnidees to itafilßstniastractioe they e a, npou the Acts ism in f in s We mgarti.to the Hiwinag Kea& Persolmt.w It t av ie „ meted with tie vat set aware Si tais 00114104 whether tit Nile!. H seenmelme foe the beside of du Rsegli. etter ler the relief af the ametry by euitsehts its .• • th. P. MOORE sail that the qualisit.tras wet Ole thiv t hi:Cosetry should be relievedoblittellother it should be strwl. , The atones wu tbes,areeti tub, . , , scars sr Awed gr. PI. SHIM obi that household last year for n• prate tht hunwteen thieereaseat and TOmni ea Cdeetchlative to the Slave gn N. lie owe emo fr• mover. with tile unseat of the Noble blargoess opposite, for Siegler returns trout the tide ef * lam thew Ortrie.—Retirits ordered. DISMISSAL or lIPPICSAIS I/SOM THE ASHY. C4l. AMES isidrod for a Matra of the names of all officers &missal haw the Amoy without trial by Court % Rt. dial riser the ye& l79ll..—Oidored. OASTRANAT moved for die re•qpie 4 uesst the pe s t i ohire to esquire into the law, let Priam—Tile motion was agreed to. • SUPPLY. The Minn LOR of the EXCHEQUER moved the Oitior the D.y for the House resolving itself MU • tbmatittee to !moulder of the Sup lies to he' pamei M bisillejsetr for the service of the easatai Tear. • Sit J. NEWPORT wished to alit the Right How. liestimino what *waster was to be made to brewers sad Arm hermit* la Wed. sp.& the rensoval of the Jilalt Tax. T o CliggEstGOß of EXCHEQUER said, that the tat astelor wait lie howl le thip printed Naar tints Othst How. hirJ. NOP/PORT srwaLl be *as hal of 1;761 . ter he applied. , yat t AU. 11, wits to ems, Std sir Its otnendidi app = j ahe poltllc r to mut he* it lIIn 4 X ;he hoose. nee; ocooirolea to 1., runiouyetllo l ll P*4o4. divested the at ionise 'of t to t • Bereft of dee ilioossce Cour loins a *ebb the tAssainlttos stated, that the sun olltvlowoct tel the/F . Moutd be red t o the l ean lo mat Imitoad i i at howner, 4*** is the year 1819, it Nees 91 AK helot dWitt r sea la NIO, it was 161411 W; la the toadied thousand pounds ; ', In tie pre i tAllig7 l . Hove this could be sret in pottdee aod shot Ise was at a low to conseire. the house would sot act as it ought, if it did not call for inquiry epos this head. He should cow only do what he considered to be his duty. Ma jorifies would preenil,~ mod ho should oraly mere. in or- AT tottprom hioowti motiments epos the Journals of the house, " For Estimates of the particular manner io RititittiMP ism of %,Y M. is to be expedded in AV& name lee the Navy. Menlo, similar Estimates bli re e.ni to the is of 450.0001. fur the wear and time of the. Nags,;' If there was any fear of disclosures by granting this motion, weeld the Hoveromeilt Aire par ticulars of the last year's appropriation of Hoof sloner. (Hear, from Mr. Croker)—lle was happy to hear that they would, and he would coissequently withdraw his mottoes. After a short pause, hoiever, the Hos. Mem ber perkisted In moving them. *.ThOIIER had before said that the Committee was the proper place where these points sholl a be die * bd. If th e Hon. Heideman was sot sail there, beirsold have th e p ower to ca ll f or f urt h er i rmatios. 00. &r I. COFFIN thought he could give his Nottourable , 'And the Member for Aberdeen a satisfactory answer • Oh regard to the navy ordnance in a who Daring 116 American war av l oop o f war was sunk b one of the eery is twenty minutes—she was of superior force to * Ilite. But it was afterwards ascertained that the Pim of the sloop bed not been fired for twelve months. it Laithereftire been ordered by the Admiralty, that an midisaditional quantity of powder mod shot should be tired Cfety month, If 95,01101. .veer was too much for k"Pinit the Width Navy ready for war in time of peace, Ike mow the whole fleet was blown op the better. 31,. WARD stated that it was a great mistake to sup pose that the whole nascent of this estimate was spent an powder sad shot. The Hon. Jleinher went into an r•9 l 4aatio s to show that not one-half of the sum was 'Tiied to that object. 11r. li. HENN el said, that the information which the Ilan. Member had given was all that was asked, so that ii ll' , put down in figures. Mr. WARD consented to the statements for the last r" keine granted. Sir I. VA WFI N explained. • Mr. MIME withdrew his mottos, and the house re toloetl itself into a Committee. for the first Resol u ti on f ur grant i ng the sum of SUNK T e wear and taw at ships for the year 1822 was thew 0 2 t.. , 11 to. The neat Resolatioe was that the sum of 91,9011 f. be P : 441 " 1 t o hi. Mvjesty t er the expenses of the Ordnance ' Service. lien. • .- Mr. HUME withedle .reduce the sineciree iblth were held by officers at thieleollmf. the asorinee. He should not propose taking away the offices from the Earl St. Vincent, and those who now held the.; he only wished the House to tome to 'a !violation sot to keep up theme seine shares's ; offices. It would he Weir to rewardgallast officers ter their services lathe were honourable way of greeting them Parliamentary per dons. He should move for the reduction of these ohne cures when the report was broaght np. Mr. CROKER interested that the better way of dile ensuing the principle of the appoiritaieks, would be to ma_Vtbeee the subject of a substantive motion. • The resoletioe was time agreed to. - .;Air J. OSBORNE had next to embeds to the home E . for the ordinary awl estraordinary lifigenele 4 year. The Committee would obscene thatn meat e ble redaction would be found,t, be made .unilershis bead. in consequence of "die measures entered into by his Majesty's Ministers for the grading% dilination of the public espeaditagp.• Tim present volt divided itself into two branches. tail ordinary and extressidioary 00 peadititre. He elated, dint nailer that Isserkotthe or& `nen expenditure, there was a.redactiers otgli.OUOL and , with,. .that of the Betteisedivelte...n. / onbistion -cd. 771,0001. There was no item increased eateeet that of the widows' pensions to the anionnt of 75. in constr. %settee of the faller. of the flied; std sandier of_pei* benssod superaenuatiocorte certain office's. The His. sprawl than stated the items in wlslett redessiontind Mee made, and the amount of Om same. flostatailebst lboOote b ad been prepared in the snag penoer enlist Orr, a concluded by moving that a sum sof exceeding aid IM IN. id. be granted to his IlEajestit to defray the • 'barges et salaries and contingent etpenses 'of the Ad miratty-Office for the year littg: "' •.. •• • Loans or ?NO sieitilerr. Sir M. W. RIDLEY Insets vim; for a rib:tilos in this reeolation, by removing the junior Lords dike Ai. esiralty. The Board of Admiralty was .formed. be bo geyed, bathe reign of Henry VIII., and sisieetbat period hid been coutinneil in ma di ff erent sh,peei. is the leer 1762, when Prince Sieorge was Lord High Ad elltiAthere were four Lords; and a general sum wqe egenthimt the establishment. 'ln the yea', 'I7N flee. Lads ; is the year 1714 the", wein bese lt rint lib e .411 .1 1 Nrese Gas and sineeehatperiod Id • *ere were**. but the precedent alorae t . ho eohidirnel ta ttb: e was dot sole** to justify the eFgepti if it sy amnia. Miry. Pulliam time of war, be Willey might Veithmision "junior Lords; brit now' • the pub lie bedialiiiloilmiterially leavened : that th t lei', wad is a etas of idyl distress, sad that otonestirivis callet ... 41 1 c ipit thought tho boom woubl we dm sereearity of agile.. by two. At the plisepillvAlsee Sheen 4 , were . .I.9mointir.?tril for the ,serqlge - et y nor this litlepo riffles . service. and shire Imo,- _ about" IN skips in eoninsisiion; .14- r . , I MIR ohm and nearly .Itat Alp* fil - . an in thireompnralrely . roasted oat.. tray . . • .1 1 .41 - - ' altogether - - silbrient4ifti lege+ - ' - ' -ebt it baseight eke subject before the House. 10010 NA& diar. his motion, contending *a Mine peel.' irati lli = ll 4 toe the Committee of Financlume* sillier The Cospalittee, however, in subsume., salt that lief att hail whatever to do with it, became/it hail'lteek . • by the House. There was* one &Asa W boat offered for the eoutineareer df•Diees tail& he thought was really Indigenes. It had loos said that the Board was necessary for the Odoelltioll of young politicises; to qualify them. la •fees, "•tite i high aid elbeitiat etations."—(A laegh4 H. et ' pot it to the Noise whether, if there was aa) broassik ad the public service which required awe AMA dadiaarr attention, and some degree of expeeierita. was not the Naval ?—(Hear, bear.) And yetl in A l oael urged for the continuance of them s i n Lords, t Oily. were young gentleman learning their lessons. . Fa, greeted the removal of his Right Hon. Friend dilliehisfilt 1 (Sir Oeorge Warrender) who certainly had been titiefll paid for receiving his own education ; Init'as Imbed sols. ceeded to the Board of Uontroal, be (Sir N. IL) f the removal was none of the best; as, theta Win MP thief for him to do at the latter Board, he might all ha had been taught at his owe political wheel. , ' ('Sir M. R.) had been assured, that souse time silt , young gentleman of rank, who wished to servo ifits oppo country, under the care of the NablaMarqweee had been appointed to the Board of Contr ai l; lord ing anxious to perform his public duty, went. to I t Ake, and was told "he was not wanted." The Beetles Iso replied. "Oh, yes; I am a Comsnissiesiee.". 4 Well, Sir, that is of no consequence: yet meek Wit; tend until you are summoned."—" When shall I lo.sigpfli mooed ?" —" It is impossible to say, Sir, hut the Ithlt sunsaiont was issued about ilsreeyearsago."-4(A langit3 He really feared that his Right Hon. Friend Wag poke mixed to this Board, would get out of pritctielyAt (Laughter.) The Noble Marquess had promised-tat so reduction consistent with sound principles wookl %If opposed ; provided regard were paid to " vested HO memo." It certainly appeared that these offices were' considered vested interests; for on the late appointee,* of an Honourable Gentleman (Mr. Keith Douglas) te one of them, a circular letter hail been sent ronaitt the correspondents of the house in which be was • la nor, stating that as be hail been appointed to a sittiaettli at the Admiralty, lie had retired from Ittisineseeaddifill same would appear No longer in the Oran. lid weal& be sorry if the Hon. Member should lose both •his el tualions.—(A laugh.) The sense of the country upon the subject of tl.• reduction of taxation bail long been declared; and he believed that the division last night bad shews the sense of the House upon the sate sub. jact. Those who supported the motion for repealing the tialt.Tiut, would, he trusted, give their support to the alsoliment be was about to propose. sad 'has satisfy the country that they were not altogether lolllterent to the eansideration of the public expinadlided; Tide • Hos. Baronet aoacia•led by,aatoviag as amaimiledlit, redltelog Um proposed vete by 211•111 t" •I , 'il I - •UV .' air Jilimaroirr said ha allaiill'aviiiiilialide 6!• : 1_ of . reductioa had lii viliFfriertorF .. e.frilksTr. V ' "X M a t w1146 0 ,01 q StisibAkilMr4NPA* be sorry to ier Ibeveb- nicely Waned ao lo,ionur but he called open the cholloollof that Min ster. were seriously la , hear.)lf reduction would pet he knew out whit would. He agreed . Moroni who moved the Amendrent, het it 1,411111• 1 sew bet tke principle which was th. object of Hoar, heir, heat.?—lt was true, that these two = lll Mowele spend only 2,0001. a year, but if Mem- Moue, they could vote away thousands.— linen so man in his senses could contend tbablbe seem number of Lord. was necessary In peace as Is war. He assured Ministers he eared not a farthing for tbelrl pieces, sued that so far Cron wishing to see them termed Mt, be would support them If necessary ; but be Itainesible sar epsilon% to retrench the public expenditure. He feendibip i epos dm ipiestlon of last night, there were many Messlierel who were :Odes lo their own cane.—(Cheers.)—He gala his hearty suppoPt.k? the sandmen. Sir OF.OfttiE fft‘IESURN said, that every year's experience. if possible, lacreased his conviction tif the propriety of the formation, of the Board of Admiralty. It slight happen that the safety of the State might de pend upon the Board being 414, to act. He had refer red to • thin records of thiteita i dishment as far beck as tie! period of the Mevoludps. a famed that there were sive lie Jenior Lords. • sod be therefore thong the Bed. Barisint's nerve of information must be loco suit thi Li - Qs heed tin osolli3Oial ilitiote of pen% an that in the course Olds* last year one of the Lay Loris was, in his opinion, the moat usefnl of all who were attached to the Board. Mr. BERNAL rose to Owe., that when the subject was before the house, on silrirtner occasion, there was a dihroesion on the office of Lord High Admiral of Scot land, which it was almost sacrilege, to touch upon. However, this year he bad struck his flag, though, last year. Ministers held that it was impolathle that so int poitant an office con:dire abolislsed.,,,Ho would sok, if that office could be dispensed with'thlw yee..wlsy not theism year also? He pressed that, as the* conhtcy war now in the seventh or eighth year of peace—oullrNary raleired to 119 vessels, including ships of the line, which was not one-tenth of the number in war, that it Dec.,- wily followed there could not be even irshadow of ne amity fur continuing six Lordh of the Admiralty. In conclusion Ise said, if the house slid not adopt a rigid I system of economy—if a war should unfortunately anay when all the energies of the country shoul4 be calla* forth, it woilld be unable to meet the e xig e nci e s of dot moment. T Admiral SOTHERTON made a few observation which were inaudible in the gallery. Mr. MAIIRYArf supported U.. amendment, on the general principle. that reduction wah absolutely neces sary, end the house ought to manifest every disposition to pat the principle in for c e. srst ALTHORN& supported the motion of his HOD. Friend.. lie thought two Lords could do the business of On eat-porlioas well as • three ; OW in cases where mitNwas a sliffereace of opinion, it might be referred to I. ' First Lord.rof the Admiralty. ISAAC COFFIN. said that the Lords of the Ad mit ball very great Omer i they : had the power of lift tend bath; and in 'cane of mi f ily fiber might tack -- • preasitd.--(A tin )—lie I'. Netting ra- alimes L ibei e. Ai '.,"We, , amna, wi b i t Jilt Is e ............ si. _.- ____ the Atieuriment, as could not concur in the necessity of maintaining via jimmy lards in the time of peace. -Mr. FORBES said It few words, which were inaudible is the gallery. We believe he spoke in favour of the Amendment. Mr: LYTFLETON said if economy were not enforced 1 by the Members of that House it was quite nugatory. be voted against as amendment on a former occasion; hat front the change of circntustances in the country, he thought blame treaty of no inconsistency in giving his note for the present amendment. Ministers might to *ld an impartial band over all offices, and sot tontine their reductions to the minor ones. ME EGERTON svisii cd for the retrenchment of all tin stecessiry and expelisive establishments,as the best means of eupportieg public credit. ' Sir 41E0. WAI(RRNDER said, that the administra tion of the fund of tkeeowich Hospital was a ditty which fell to one of the junior Lords of the Admiralty. This was a duty which had fallen to hint w hen in office, aid he could assure the house that the ditty was so laborioese. that it was not in his power to be absent from London 'More than two months in the year; and that the labour attached to the Ave was one of the reasons which had iilliseal Ilia tit aviiWilytisis it.--(Hear, and langliter.)-1 t E a r ittise m lAte a tidtelsgatreeideeriibe. Tabour o r f tl w t h a i t c l is to o w e...yr: b id e ii inistint with their comforts;'aml that must be the se if there were fewer Lords of the Admiralty than ,tkse al present In office. • Sir. ORENFELL was convinced that the present was a period which snore than ever called for the re darvion•eow- moved for by Lis Hon. Friend, which he would upper,. Mr. GOOCH felt that it was absolutely necessary to Ved'oce eitwnses and establishments of every kind, and be was persoaded there was no occasion fur continuing the present large establiehteent of the Admiralty. The Marquess of LONDONDERRY said, that u the Hoo. Baronet had pressed this motion on the ground of eco nomy, and of diwinistg the influence of the Crown, he Meek, now state the sons why he could not agree with the H. Baronet. the first place, it could be no great limberly to rednce t sum of 3,000/. ; the advantage must deviled on's balance illOweep the profit and loss to the pub -11l:' In the affairs of riiate life, matters could never be so aessaged That the pels having the nianagentent of them could•b• elweys at the' iittet; and such was the case in public Mikes, like that now peoposid to be reduced. He did not, therefore, conceive that tbe reduction of 4,000 f. a-year in this office could prodecelwisyneflt equal to the disadvantage wislek the public service 11111. m experience from it ; particu• lariy when are considerest the nature of service performed, ,sad the advantage of having two Boards instead of one.— Ilwalre saving could not be In any respect consistent with Ihopplaelples of economy, simpered to the nthantage of treimithoirtsleess of de oaks eondtieted with due *Hen limmddeamegy. Tule (region had been much mti;it'ed out Of dadlaii Waster never ireeldagree to a plan of economy prrialApe o. the purpose t)/ .sualias en impre Mon out of -Mtp.r' . r 0 , -.1, vim; He Meld bare se iAlrestineerant M this qesstisid, blebs viewed It merely as oat of 'midis utility; it Itheilt isigillisriny say advantages the Ministers et the Clovis adift diri►e from It. 9esilemes bad` talked of littipset Idareitie of the inilaseee‘,o( tba Crown; hat be sew meal 90ege to easy seek doetdm u that which me so astaUsisaliy forth so that every perm aetimarder the Iteies was aslmteiby sordid feeling,. He weeld always repel every Let. ' Masdlet♦ftlskied. There *ever was a period is oo r bistery wise dee indnemee of the Crowe wits so Mall as at primal. MI when poplar Mimes was so peat over the Haase of (Issimons as at the present moteept.—(Hear, bear.)—He dierefore protested &pleat the principle laid down, that the Members of that Hotlll4l were booed to vote for the purpose .(sniselal die Mosses of t►e Crown..rest he oomeived the Illembissemild fairly' Moe omit to. be. He rooOdolog rittgeoteh to that of effecting t lb. Constitution ; and fhe same ground. Sir JOHN SEIM! to, declared that lie o se any ot►er Minister . Indeed, there was no in. he airmail be lesa intlised be (Sir J. Sebrialst) tempt to remove the .were gibers is- 1 heated by different Lord LONIXENDI not accept of may ..._ Baronet at the expense Mr. S. WORTLEY did n .e Crowe ha too much power, for there 'levee was a tints when the ... Croun had so little power. Bet he thought op*. principles of economy that the Admiralty Irina - ought to be reducal;lsecause bethought she deir Board could be performed by r loss 50u1404 blie than the presest; and it was on the rroeld atiosilillini and on that alone, that he supperted the natio. of the-, i • lion. Baronet. Sir M. W. ItIDLEY spoke in reply. He said it ',' , • . 4 been admitted that two naval dicers, who were L. 't • o i of the Admiralty, had beta at sea in time of war, w ho di . or N it was supposed that they were performing their duty as .. the Admiralty Board; oral therefore it was trident diet ~. four werefully competent w peter's' the dudes ia tinge el peace. fhe Committee then divided, when the seabird ;,.. were— For the motion, 132—Agaiaet it, 123—aftiority against 311oisters, 64. • : The moment this daisies eras anneillled, NeeAMA* - rang with shoats of apple's. from the Oppesitioa aide: The nest motion put by the I t :tains-in was, that -stolid of 31,34141. be gusted for defrarng the expense of, the Nary Pay °See. Mr. HVAIE said he should oppose the vote en the - ground thatthe nelentionseteaumasendel by itiedllujeady had met been smile in this olepastatent. During the last Session he was anxious that the hoes* should consider the duty which the Navy Pareffiee area to perform. ft . differed little from that of an wrelioary . banker ; and on that ground a reduction' win . No tummy was keptin this olfice; its whole. slut pas to receive checks, aid give other checks, whisk. were paid by the - -I , of .Eng Lhal • and the wholesif the thsty might be 1.'...,, • .. , ' - ltalialkelleo eistakel .fierce time ago, a . . **t Hie offiewsbosio a large emu ot. a kmilltuelladed with - Nem ""!•":s 4lB )tia.. ~.. ' •-•-•• bad ew large a' .. -", - •• r : advetted - curtailment provisions were and' when ten per • tlseir pe r • sod be cheapness, I take* from reduction, in ..l at onee to ' , Amgen' of this ',portal reduction ought to . Accord ing to : I obtsine I them, he, _ reductions hail to eft , _ exceptin,. dismission of some junier - relerks. He should therefore saboiit an amendment to the Committee, embodying. the principle which he bad ensleavoored to enforce. and lie trusted that. he should hommported in his pro position, because from all he saw of the estimates be felt. persuaded that this was the wily way they had left to the:l of enforcing an immediate reduction ef all salaries. He would not admit the opinion, that if the salaries are low, • the country would not he able to ohtaih etficient !we ' mints. Old they think that if the salary of the Treasury of the Navy were reduced one-third, there would not he (mind an individual to fill the office es ably as it was od copied by its present possessor? .The doctrine that they could not get the duties well pedometer!, except they gave' high salaries, was erroneous. Proceediug a* !hots. views of the case at issue, between the Government and the country, which he had endeavourel to explain, be should propose that, instead rot Ott 31,304 f. which atuoti in the resolution now before (bit Lpiansittee, there he in-. troduced, as an amendment, theism. of 23,1781. whic't was a reduction of 23 per cent., 0r7,8•.)6/. Hailfie pur sued that coshes which lie thought right. headiateld have proposed the total aholitioa of the-hike, for it oat ofthe reports of the Finance l:onstnifters its duty anti Mimi druid to be merely that. of a banker. The amendment having been read— .. * ..., . • The lion. F. ROBINSON rose. He was somiewltat sore prised at the Hon. Member's proposition, because he lag year required a reduction of tWout (0,0001. la this office ; and now, when there was a reduction of between 7 aid 8,00 W.. he required a still lyxger ; . iiiteficio than was for.. seedy urged. It was contenll4,o the details oa this st.t jeet, that the Mika of Treaders* e l'lliry slight be filled by any ardivary iudisidual. Tife , Committee of 1017 bad expressed a similar opinion. It Wilone, however, that he denied: Hefted not merely to partnose who might present themselves; he had to examasifin elecounts, to see whe ther they were right, and to. ascantaia that the parties were properly entitled. It vas said that the office wts merely that Of a banker. A beaker bad only to satisfy himself of the accuracy of a signature; but In this sie five he had shewn there was something more to do.--, There were other duties of importance to freeform ; for the mode of paying officers' and windows' mosions had of late years been altered. The ease was fully discussed last year, and the objections weresatisfactorily answered in the estimation of the House, ant eves in Ihlll or the H.,. Merntier ; and the expense of the of wee now reduced, from that period; upwards of 7,otittf. The i..- portant duties of examining ,peamen's wills, of control mg prise agents, Wc. also came within this deportment. All these duties were of that character, that he only wished those who hail an itripeo%ct . notjun of them, to pass two or three of their dotted days at the • office; and he thought they ' , retold afterwarois,entertain very different opinions on the sultjeet a ..• iii; reply t t those who contended that nothing. in tittlemyof reilm, ?lam had been effected in this °Nice, he pnly -re wl peat that those breaches bad beeniettneed, a that lour. teen persons heal been removed frets high edit As. 4.).,1 such reduction really aumuot ta melsiog *1 rho declared to .iieb an ette,•nt had the reductions heir ear.iesi—, 4 order that the Address of • shgt Muse to the 'Throne Pt r . s ie pubz 411 ER 1; AC aait 4 se o Nr • T 4 "li ale• lW po llikt ippat 4 J o ye w • itios this estimate. Ile lacrosse and rapsojtura 84 t oo SABERLY explatoort. "Sir J. 03130 sa id that it was oie aidllieg per ' • • • surpleay th? t ort but be cal :B PIKNELL (ire sodersteed) said, that the aim wan. 612•41“ b. attended to all 51w Mr. HUMB wished to kern; " of lb * 81 4 4, 11 ° z ,... i sh‘i! , t WWI oiistioa of &recants toat what poled any mite &periwigs. exception midst be totem to the aawber of wanon. °W I " t° ritnnom — glesir. haor.)— r - IJUME coadelbaad tbe worm-Iwo of th. Mr. CROKBR said, Ja the rots for the - wages at the sePPPA-Reblie anat. knew sot 11t r ' - fteenrals. There were scarcely two glee. - • toes se Hot lieut. ...s. a f.t.,, ~' ._.a • MO ino Crane • and In - monist ti si r ), NEBrisoltir wou ld b e ea a l so to l oom o b e . fire !Ards altogether wave gliffitielli4filliriMlClrtinfiia. ' Wt. Y tber 'night Inch was kapon this other ; its echoic, dutj pas to I h e r„ y „ i d, 01„ tem emu is h e o w e tj t h e tu a lotem des of the Board of Admiralty . No iiusbt Is soorkt b a spat many hi they pleasid.A lit .)---Ile hail known checks, aid sive other checks, which were paid Th e t umicELunt t h e . • , Egfam i s o l i f. t w it -bought these Lords wee. eery seeress detect . the " "iltrall.rffett oar Illetbielf ran attack on hint- Ilenkof.Esit Wel ; awl the eh o limed the aw e to m I. _ w .ace was . m . . _ ._ _ ._ ea. biumier s to osatmeoto of th e fhoo.: . os ; i s self. Th. lariat of the Adtedwitek hod a greet deal of periwinard by half alleillen *leak . NOVI e tulle g i f l4 .w a hrrhi d . l l / 7 „ ;A aa. It f.... rg = m il bisi die of tin house; het be **mkt tk ee . . . wit, Il t ael - :d? occupy their tiostrisiMe had kaows - Lord 'isearitadio looks/ha/ so this ellactralwei is large i„, t a i sti e l t ; l a ic d o 3- -4, . 'a do 2 1 . 1 6, ~loy their . time In correctra . tie, - . r ' 10.%,,,,ti . 1 4F.0 1 . e . 1 / 1 "111401111 1 0 1 .490,111 0 0‘e . = . ,tlti V0611'1.0%13 sod' w T -- 7 --- 4011110017; •W . limit , ..- ...- ..• •• - I i••• . ,-;,_ ..' 1, - -v• `.- . t - --- (--i•- eammems vas Ited ea • as s. :4 , . 1 „.. . sts , of • „inn., raise you. , • he well rote tar a •iOn of one if it had to the asylums iotended to im, loads by the cart oho .. ss 4 ; T o ; o f O m B oar d, and o bs e rved 13 1 4 . "1 1 .0...', 4 4010:1dtt halt. ' Ito*, however, vote for of salaries. In the year .111Lli, .when provisiot It" ;, ei fats liege labial 'illy Ilia thine should be re•. double the price they were at pretest, and when "'Li ini s „ as s b e is togw r iwapp il d i t iw b, l ch,,, her of this junior Lords iri Onset war . ,gm . 46 1 ,• di L ostec i s d inicis i ont s on .b oo „„ t h e „, *tiered too large, yet it would b e' , o ilifil s ' .. "'S ', ' '' 4 ' il :..' "• ' cent. was paid by placetnea on the Income Tax, 1 link . Al i' v-- ,i l a Alt last we ak bees smaller than eldererie. whe t her . reduction I . l lo l 4l l ,_ l6 Wrjet ' ' • ifr• GP'S WAG frellifelearitithe gallery, and was comes were Israeli less than they wets at present 4. it ali as& a maws to peace." The principle dime talaliftetsetenal le IttViliihht- ' • 1.10 tit t 25/. per cent. ought. at thistles. of chi .i 4 (;-; . , : the foadgwiEdi „id . t h in been acted Cl not with ree toasts illessilititsited4 1 4 4 0 .tell,AlICELOE o'filic i al I.:HEQI. - ER made some a re there was no Income Tat; .to be take the ' i4- 'wheat ao war bority, respect to the lerks. Now hart he six jathiLdedieweitaith varrerts en what had fa en froth the last speaker; he t ries ; and he also theught the redact mai that-the best mode of pt.-4414nd for superannuated ,of being applied to a bled, ought to go at iretellthahit sea apeotheseadsoewiskb,„ eessary, how could the business be path! Althea", aoini o sinsid t its p od. . . i . A ... , .. ......,. the - Cleiks, who, in feet. Performed most a Allters. Spprated to him to be the sitting apart of 5 the relief of the public. And he world avail hi 115wn a . ~. ..:‘,- *dm labour . But the fact was, that x . . apt . o f percent : from those who bad Me eslaries. With regard this epportunity . to state, that this principle of re 1156111PCIPPit , sk nag. main slim L ords constitute d a source of n , • 4 i t, ' to the higher eaters, piers was to be a reduction of 10 ought to be carried through ail lb. Estimates. l s the cause of their continuance. nek 'rat: Per rent. ~ ing to the Estimates, as farce they bad yet c th i ss , sose s o ' . o o d i i ni.nia . H aw „ iie mere saving of an aneualtalol. that be " (mit' . ail Me . ELLIS- anytaorlo:l the amenduvnt. • them, he eras prepared to show that ao re( mem - iNg t o „,,, „„ o f f jtll.f ox „ga ms kiwi , it was the principle of_patronage and hadiseo•wided lic C. COLE said fr was ilevote.lly attached to every had taken place, excepting is the dismis i re to w h oe .i. vose to , he w ow . it b e siodenit „ d d a, he wished to attack. When he had oa a gorooyeeeredbe tbli etteneeted wit Alt profession but from a tense some junior Clerks . He s hould ther e f o re „ I d arti oe „..l 4 s u m hi ... A . I . am ", sod chick the brought the subject before the Howse, 111/0 Labe* O a r. of . 'ter towards h ' eonitituents lie should vote for an amendment to the Coinesittee, entl .. . . ... vAtem . . ._ - nee.. a.allsea its motion- eout•odlow visa . is. luso sew t ee Atiesdnient, as could not concur in the necessity the principle which he bad eelleaeouved to was of the Crown, and•he conceived the r to look at what the toluenes in ques- ts bad already objected to the moths. Burghs, because its object apweere'd a species of Reform thot woulskle@re dhe should object tis presont eantina LIMIT conceiving bisonlf never insionated thnti sswil lsel i eSe ter was actuated kr • no awn in the. hour, againid Whim' to asehe the in%ineatiossw • t) was the law wan lobe sewilsk Noble Lord from his situation 114 dens facto whose 000de — ort worier. - — 4 • ir feel, wire. )EKRY explained. He said ho enola compliment from the Hossierahle pence of those with whose he wird. &Y did not think that the Crown bail Dr there GeV", was a time when the -/ 1 --- --- _ . _ 1111 :7.4lplap i 'l, 4ffll ~''•