The British Press; or, Morning Literary Advertiser. — London, England, 1821-05-12 00:00:00

II I ~. a f .1"7 diiiii IR f ~ r lr ~. • ~_♦ I . . , ~ - .. - riblic welfare and the benefit of the country, he would be one of the last persons to interfere in the exercise of that right. But in the case before them *the malignity was so evident, the attack so un -provoked and wholly without excuse, having no pe eulisr difficulties, such as belonged to the task of re portino their proceedings, to plead in extenuation of -the libel , not the slightest foundation being assumed for-the itmertions contained in the hal; and firally, the House having one person in their knowledge who, Ishetlier truly or not, undertook to avow himself as the author of such • libel, it Would be highly im proper to let him escape without feeling the punish ment which he had incerred. He had never read a 'megrim', of the newspaper in question, and was vire ignoram, until tufermed ly his Hon. Friends, that there was any publication devoted to such t.lase and malignant purposes. But here it she bar they locoed, a man of the name of Cooper. acknowledging to be the author of es fal-e and atrecions a as could be published, which was (teetered at the same time to be a gross preach of privilege. He would therefore move that Henry .Fox Cooper he committed to Newgate ; nliur which he would submit a snailsr motion on lOW of the printer. He would have hesitated A bout sending the printer to Newgate, but for the base equivocation of his evidence, which deprived I iqt or claim MI their mercy. As to the two fishers, though their evidence hid dote little twilit 4* their characters, he would not propose to extend the same punishment to them. • Ile looped the !loose would not attend to the r.cor iiiii endatimis of :lento-my mode by his Hon. Fitted, but would sup port N.rhr dignity by doing needled justice. lie rr ijav ,J, Brit, that Ileury Fox Cooper has been osoll of a gross breath of the privileges of this I lyst•. 5/r. Ilstiers suggested that, as that point was eirt;aily determined open, the it-solution would tun if t crier thus— That ll.ory Fox Cooper hieing 'sawed himself to he eutitor ref the Said iyaragrivh, bas been guilty of a gross 4reait. of the !privileges oh the [louse, sod that be Le (*en b its comraille‘i to Newitte." Sir W. Da CRFSPIGNY *Ad a few words in re. vreherisimo of this atrocious system of hidden ca. 'lumniltors, who devoted themselves to stiletto chs !ricters, but whose serreii, be trusted, would be . t , 0711 thrown down, owl their deformities exhibited to the public gaze vial I'.ord NUGENT thought the Noble Marquis was Wttitled to the Clanks of the House, for giving 'Wean an opportunity of discussing the question in '.rdsliper and more equable tone of feeling thin they . coo d loose et.joyed last (vetoing. Ile could not t• Aree to the motion of Hon. Friend. Ile could • to-cri , onse an ainemlnient. Ile could not agree that the House woulf be left in any dilemma by the Vontobinment of the motion of the Hon. Member ter Shresibury. lie would bring to their recut "llctfuns. a mean which bad been adopted in a me retil by which Ilouse extricated itself from :the difEcolty now supposed to e xist. It was a breads cf privilege of a character far more gross ,rid etrrageous t h an the one before them. It lied been' brought forward by his flight Ho- uottrable Friend, tile Member for IVaterford. The libel was an Arldres (ruin the Presbytery of Langholus, and seas published in the Gazette. It •coillaineol'a dhoti iovitotion to his Majesty to in- teifere with floe fret-alum of speech, amid the privi lzges of that House. fleeted upon, it would have placed his Arsiesty in a situation with respect. to that House and the country such as none of his . siredecessoraince Charles 1. hail stood in. lio this attack, was to much more gross than the 'cnr cumPlaiited of, a motion was wade to bring the psttierii fo the bar of the House. This was mega frveA:liij the other side, and an apology, with a suits lblr'Exptrietion, was nitro weeds made tor the Noble Lord on behalf of the Secretary of St at e, who 11:rd suffered it to appear in the Gazette. Their preteot coyht4 was now obvious. The I louse had nithe former case dangerously compromised its own kivileges; bet having done so, they could not pats ortr'a case io Much more fl.ogitions, and now visit stth such ungracious and ungrateful severity this Troop of !poor, prevaricating, contemptible, lying • printers—(Hear)—who were but the tools of souse loathsome, *retched assassins, villainous enough to eit'do mischief, but wanting the euurge to own it. ‘-(i - lear.)—fie begged leave to inove as an orifertdment;thst hiertry Fox Cooper be called to the'lnor, reprimanded by the Speaker, and dis- Voikged. The Marquis t f LONDONDIRRY had taken leave gt the question, but he was anxious to avoid auy thiog which avoid' be construed from his conduct as tending took, that be was diwooril in soy degree to tseglect the claitos of it/ince, or that be did not Teel the necessity of maintaining; on all occasions the character of our Courts of Justice, and their right todetermine the critnivality, and punishments orthose'who had iu any way incurred the wholesome rigour of the laws. His only objection to sending this case to a Court of Justice was, that the indi sliders" might not suffer from the confession which 'rhad heireeetracted from him before the House, and 'lliriughUat'the' less alive to the gross nature of the offence, end to what the defence of the poiril t ig,. a of the House required, he felt also that the toil of 'ttieit initeiry being answered, they would best consult their own honour end dignity by tempering Justice with mercy in the punishment. He had no wish as to the course to be pursued, but that they should be seen to hold a hood of even justice tepards a'l parties. lie did. lament and regret that the same feeling of just and loud intlignation.inul rot been expressed ou other occasions, thau when the mischief com p lained of was confined to the Hort. Gentlemeo opposite and their friends. He lamented that au Hon. mil Learned Gentleman opposite, whose op i ate tuna Wrir stress him those Mate sentiments ofjustice 'which belong to his profession. should hale' been led to castaspersams and oil auk wisp and unnsined authors. (dew, hear, from the Opposition beackesj—to tioeever, the speculuouus of the world at talhed the responsibility of the objeciiomibl e w r i t . trigs(l - fear, hear. /rum : bah,sido.)—Tlie stud Le:trued Gentlemso nowt forgive him fur say ing;aati go must the /ion. General : who spoke be fore bigh.:that their conduct bad nut been peofectly conaisteot`with thet.ferling of justice »hid) they liail eicls"ressert. No one lied a stranger feeling for the deTence and preservation of the virtues of English women and the hoarier of the men than himself; • be knew us two qsalaiestione wlUcli ought to be • ' ' , . 1 1 q.v.: a: arris.a - "RR PIM ~~~ more religiously guartled. No one could be less disposed to tolerate the offence committed on the privileges of the Douse than himself. Ile had. read the journal which consented it, if that were any offence s having beets led thereto by the co mmon curiosity qf, esuetlitittsrei He admitted that there were no eiteamstances of palliation in the offence ; but he would have been happy if the. loud burst.. of indignation which followed it had been on any occasion awakened by the torrents of libels which had been poured forth on other quarters, which had assailed the highest and most respected cha racters in the State, and s;pared nothing in its fury of calumny among all the institutions of the coun try. That would have been a feeling worthy of thellritish Parliament, and becoming that sense of honour which ought to distinguish them; but Rik could not respect that sense of justice, and thosegleelings of isulignation, which was only to be . 'asiskriied by attacks on those who profess ed them, or their political friends, while such offences abonnded in other quarters. A libel which had appeared two years ago in the Times, and which attributed JO a Right Honourable friend of his a divirolition to ridicule the sufferings qj bra fellow-err:Ames, st r ained an attack as fla gitious and plinfed to his Right Hon. Friend av tistol-thiug which could he timid to arise out of the ow before the House. If lie bad on that neca t witnessed any 'lung like the glow of indigna tion which now prevailed, he would not have com plained of the speeches' which ball been made. and Ilse feelings whit-li hail been manifested. Ilia Lord ship proceeded to recommend that there should he Ituthinie of party feeling apparent to their conduct, end that it should riot be held out to the public that there was inure seeitrity in attacking one side than the *slier. Ile thought that the punishment if • reprimand was trio Milt°, aril to Pend the of fenders to Nevrgase would hr too strong a mea sure of puoislimeet. So little toleration hail lie, however, for (-avec of this kied, dist were it not fur shot he had sten on the eccosion to which lie had alluded, lie would Irate had no hesitation in agreeing to Bit! commitment of those virile.. But cenceivieg that the ease of the Times newspaper was much more gross than the present use, he could not think it ad visable to give the latter a severer punishinesit. Ile would therefore more, as bad been done in the furmer case, that the panties hi- taken into custody by the Serjemit at Arius. Ile thought that at least they ought to be kept in custody for one night. The Clerk then read Gum the Journals tire reso lution which the House had crime to on this case of John Payne Collyer, charged with misrepiesentiug the procerdiugs of the Heusi. Sir J. MA( I ileaosu olreert rah, that the paragraph complamed of did not Nippur in the Journals. Liird NUGENT t-xplainetl. Mr. SCAMATT torrid have bad no wisb to trouble thr attention of the House further, but for the dat ing observariniia of the speech of the Noble Lord. If any party feeling had tate', manifested, surely it was to be found only in that speech. Never had his own mind been less under the influence of party feeling than while this case had been under discus. siori. He thought that the I leuse was unaainlotts iu its opinion of the Intel ha fore them. He did not kinky', nor was lie in the least aware what libels they could be, the camidenenciug t f whielt formed such a general etymon our sic gentlemen on his side of the I lunge. For his own pint, he had been strangely miss understood. Ile bud stated that, having heard out sr doors the scandalous paragraphs of the paper in ques tion netriinveil to Members of that [louse, he thanked his non. friend for listing atria-dot! ;mop port unity of to pletely refuting an imputation which, room the first, he hail never believed. If that conveyed too imputation to soy 51emlier of the Honer, or it' it displayed the least time of party feeling, he was ready to coacsa that lie did not know the import of his own language.. He might have been mishiken in his itorlerstandinte, of what he had witted, but party feeling brad trot influenced; if there hod been any petty feeling displayed, it sees by the Noble Lou•l ; for his own piet he teed as few libels as any hotly ; lie lied not time for such reading. Rut it seemed clear ro. , ogit to I hat party feeling could have nnehitni. to do with libels on titivate character. Ile could norko all due al lowancei f or the •fleets of pari y feeling in public writers. Ile would suffer them to make almost any comments thry pleased oil the public conduct and opitnions of public elisraeteis, fur the sake of serving their patine., to whatever side they might belong; but this toleration could not he extended to calumnious and false attacks on character. Though he did not read loamy libels, he hail read the journal which cold:tilled this one, and as the Noble Margnisadmitted that lie had read it, lie would remind the Noble Lord of another paragraph in that Paper, in which the writer hoisted of lila belmiging to rather nu exalted rank in society. As he said before, he did notlielieve it ; he could cot believe that any gentle-Mae) would write such paragraphs. If, indeed, it acre possible to imegine tine ruse of a man who belonged w is superior rank, with which he was engaged to invade the-liberty of the press by a very coarse arid disgusting abuse of it, the plan could not be mach triter pursued than through true means edninerl by this Journal. It was well known that the •t.use of a ph% '- lege head the itiodeeate to be less careful of its preservation. lii the Augustan empire libels w e r e constituted high war 1111 l !mellow of the satires published hy one Cussium Severus agamst the illus trious women of Rome, Tinereory was in MMus. le Loped no such effete would be produced t iiher by this or any other Joornsl. As to the case of The Times he knew nothieg of it, liecanse lie was not in the Hutto,- ut the time ; lost he understood it to be the clew of a reporter liaviiie, tepresented one Member as using expressions to another which were not attend in the speech so relented. If that case run parallel a th the present, it was for the House to judge ; but us no the libel before them he could conceive nothilig more atrocious; it smelt of blood. If the individual who wrote it desigiwd to push matters to those extremities which he scented to suppose were nannie's', if his design were to ex cite a breach of the pence, Ire timid riot have taken a more duet t contsw. Shouid the House sutler its hie-misers to In goaded in this manner with impunity, let it never 'indict:le its privileges What libels (let the Noble Lord declare them) had been protected or winked at by hum and his lion. Friends, of the atrocious and eauguinary character of the our in qucsttou ? He dtd nut be. - --sr~.. ~' lieve that there could be any mentioned. Certain he was that the public would patronise those papers which were the freest from libels on private charac ters. The reason why the chief London newspa pers flourished as they did was, because they were almost eotifely free [tom private libels. The Marquis of LONDONDERMY explained,— He congratulated himself and the House that his warmth should have drawn ouch au explicit Milli satisfactory explanation from the Hou. and Loomed Member- lie wee restly to avow that he had been under the delusion that the flou. 'and Learned Gentleman bail in his speech intimated the proba bility of persons engaged either its the councils of his Majesty or those of the nation being con cerned in, or giving their countenance to, these libel.. Now certainly the evidence at the bar was not calculated to remove such an insinuation. He was, therefore, the more highly gratified at the conduct of the Hon. and Learned Gentlema❑ in willing it away. His chief object in speaking had been to secure the conduct of the House from the imputation of partiality. Ile could not allow any distinction to be taken between this and the for mer libel to ovine') lie bad referrrd the [louse They both haul a tendency to caner ttie'elfuseuun of blood. In the former instance there were words put into the month of one Member which roused an explanation to be solicit by ono' her Member. Sir R. FEacvson said. that the Nohle Lori haul imputed motives to him which he could have mu,. right to impute. Where he got big nmnisctei,co from, as to the feelings and motives of other., he (Sir It. Ferguson) knew lint, lint the Noble Lord would do better to look to his own inntives. II he (Sir N. Ferguson) felt indignation, it was, at least, all I et indignation, at the bit.... nod cowardly attack, made on the character or English women. For his own part he carrel very little for political Ithel•, and was always unwilling to take any notice I of them. The Marquis of LONDONDERRY again explained. Ile only wished that the same Indignation had been exprersed by the gallant General and his friends, and thilt they had hikes) notice of other libels no less gross end offensive than the one before them. —(Cries rf " Name, name," from the (Ippositimt side.) — Mr C. W. WYNN thotylit that the case (looted in favour of lenient pithis!iineid by the Noble Marquis, MAI the very worst and weakest which could be referred to. He thought that the leniency of the pouishment of former cases had caused them to become common.—(We under-food the Honourable Gentleman to complain of the re minks which had been published daily nit the examination of witnesses in the Queen's case, who were entitled to protection, not fleeing berm properly punished.]—As to the case anitilett to L . the Noble Marquis, he thought that tie-re was never a more flagitious libel pot - dished. Thew appeared to have beim no foundation for the tili.:repre,.entu non. He had agreed to the resolutioa for punish ment in that case, because lie thought it impossi ble fur the writer to have sn mistaken the sense of that which lie was reporting. Bet yet lie remem bered several 110 n. Mendlers had acknowledged that they participated in the sane mieconception as to the meaumg of the words imputed to the 11tn ber for Aberdeen. This had led to the initiwrtion of the puinahment, Which it was his firm belief had encouraged the repetition of such offences.— ( Heur, hear, hear.)—Soate might think that hr had too much affection for precedents ; but if the argument now offered for a lenient sentence, founded oil one precedent, should be confirmed by a second, punishment would become hopeless. Nu Gentle:lieu would take the trouble to call the at trillion of the House to any such case, Ile felt it ne cersary to apply au imioeibute check to libels on that House. It was perfectly impossible for the persons who repeatetl there procerchiles to avoid e nl is t / k ir .. having so many diaadvinitoges to cope with in the fulfiinirut of their ditty; but it was quite possible to avoid wilful, and malicious, and libellous iniarepresentalions. '('his was not the first complaiut of the kind which hail been made in the current Seaaimi. He wished, however, to confine the punishment to the case immediately before the house, and not apply it to any general had Con duct. Thin appeared to be a most unmitigated offence. lie was convioced that if' the House fol haled up the erroneous precedent of leniency 'toilet etl out to them, the diguity of the House, the chit teeter of its Nlembers, snit the liberties of the country, which wet e interested in the protection of the privileges of the House, would all suffer, and that most fatally. The Marquis of LONDONDERRY again expleintal. Mr. WARD thought it dangerous for mit under standing to get abroad, that it was safer to attack out' side thee, the other of that House. Ile had as much, but no greater respect for the defence of the character of the Hoy. Member (Mr. G. lleimett), as lie had for that of the Right Hun. Member for Liverpool, who had been libelled on the runner occesimi. Ile had recurred to the case of the Times, and hail extracted the following words front the passage then complained of :—[Here the lion. Member read the passage iu the re port of Mr. [lume'. speech, which had been pu- Malted by the house.]—He thought that a mor e lake and scandalous attack than the prevent. In the case before the House the attack was direct end pointed, and a man of honour had the means iii his hand of immediately redressing himself ; but un 'attack on the whole life and conduct of a man was not so easily to be *answered—and if he were called oil to strike a balance, he thought the pre sent libel the least painful to the injured p:trty.— I honour and justice the House ought to take the milder course in punishing the present offence. Lord Jolts Russeaf. said, that in respect to the mode of puffishinent to be adopted, he would not stop to give any opinion. As to questions of tnivi lege, he was one of those who thought that the least punishment was in all cases the best. As to the former libel, certain it was that the Right Honour able Gentleman mentioned in it had used the words " severed and ruptured Ogden," and those word. had been followed by laughter. The public had got an understanding from that circumstance (he did not say that the appreheneinii was a just our) that the Right Honourable Gentleman was ad dicited to ridiculing the people's sufferings. The writer had been deluded by the general misunder standing into a mistake us to the meaning mud iapplicatiou of certain words used by the Hon. Member fur Aberdeen. This the Hevener stated -.. • • - • at the bar of the House, and the House itself, from the corroboration of so'se of its own Members, wits . induced to give hint credit for having been so oils taken. 13ot lie now rose to proteg for himself mid friends against the imputation of the Noble Lord, that they had esti' given countenance to libels re sembling in character the publication in queetiriti. He was aware that there were pnblications which contained severe and bitter reflections of o 1 ,.. litical nature on the measures of the Nivl)le Lord and Ins coadjutors ; but he could not but pity the discriminating faculties of the Noble Lo-.!, tf lie confounded political reflections on puhlic measores with attacks on priv,te character, and especially on the characters of "milieu. The Noble Lord might, for instance, be charged with havlng caused eoldiers to be flAgged to death in belaitil, rind with having pat the inhabitants to tor ture; but then the Noble Lord had the enema of refutation at hand. - But summie an attack made on a female relation or the Noble Lord's — (fikltri) —lf the charge ne t ted were " as false as hell," would the Noble Lard like to have her character and conduct, and all the eircometsuces of her family and cannexiativ, unveiled in a Court of Jus. lice. to which he would have to look for redrew ? —(Hear, hear.j—'There was a delicacy in the female character which shrunk front public scru tiny, and which (orb tile its intrusion on the public attention. its to the charge which had been men ttoned of persona in authority countena::cing and abettiog the newspaper in question, lie could not altogether acquit them of it. Ile had learnt of very good authority that Copies of that pea r l r were forwiteded to the Anibesisailois rive settling the British C;overninent in the v.eriotra ("owls of Europe. Now, no newspapers could he Se;lt out or the country free of expense except, fly the peculiar favour of Government forwarding them with 1111- dispvelies to, the allintsters of foreign Courts. Btu be that as it any, the Noble Lord admitted that he raid the paper. If the No- Ide Lord or any other person tuck in that paper and paid for it, it dial mot matter about their read ing it.—(brogitiogj—if they paid, they paid, sad coossrptenily encouraged moral assassinatinti. The Nlir/ I ti:s of Lonuoaatua* observed that the Noble Lorai's foreign information was quite as incorrect as hos domestic iatelli Ke n t e. •pert to the eireumatant e to which he had adverted,. he had no hesitation to say it was 111011 unfounded; l and with all due respect for the Noble Lord's ge- Wary and attachment to the fair, he hoped be wou!al excu , e bins (the Alarquis) if he bevame a rival for that diatio g oi.h..d luagh)-- for he would he the last main hieing that would colintminee so scandalous a transaction. lint he would hev, to remittal the Noble Lord that diorite teri 110 t less Elelrl or unspotted, oar. cven Ma jeoy itself, ha•l not been spared by oilier ipurs.— (Hear, hear.)-11:.• ve,ml,l ii-k the Noble Loral whether he ever re ad I loiw't publications ? (Iletre, hear.) Mr. CoURTENAY wished In call the attention of the Home to the real tilleMjen b e r m e th em , l ot l ie thaiii: 4 lo. the I loose should be cotiiiitclit its their. coottuct. Ile could trot add any additional weight 1.l the indignatton dirt had been expressed from all sides of the !louse cm the language that haii 1)0(91 uteri its the public:it referred to.—(Hear.)—lt appeared to hint ti•ut there MllB analogy ba.tae;or the ca•e that had been alluded tat arid the present ; as it was so, lie thought the [louse should putsae the saute comse. Lord J. ItussEtt. explaitied. With respect to the publicesiime of Air. !Lute, he could eat• that he never took them in, but he LstlitVad they were strictly pollticel. . Mr. W. Sat rr.it thought the [louse had already wasted too much time, and it was not his tote Minn to con•mue much mole of it on the present sub j•et. lie was one of those who tlintiglit !bete should he the utmost I.stittide allowed to the press in the discussion of political que.toms, anti he never should support a too ion fur cairn% either an editor or printer to the bar, merely for a political libel ; but when individual character is attacked, when a statement is made, which it had been pro perly slid, smelt of Wool!, and when it is stated that a Member of that Irloit.c had been led through fear to tell a deliberate falsehood, he knew of sic pticesliment too severe.—(l/ear.) With respect to the case that bad been meta:oiled in the coune of the debate about The Times, he must certainly say, that if a man made the state ment that appeared iii that Paper deliberately and wilfielly, he knew of no punishment too *evert: for hiol ; but the person who made that statement was examined at the bur, und there stated that it was done nin.t unintentionally, and not tom individual knowledge; but from inquiri.s he had made re verting his character, lie felt persuaded the pate tnent was correct—but there was no gruttud of epology for this low, dirty, prevaricating wretch— /E/ear, heurl —sad he tberefore thought the punishment proposed by the Noble Lord much too slight, and would nut be rufficieut to prevent the repetition or the offence. Mr. C. H. livrettinsois said he could not let that question pars without iraking some obser vation Upon the. comparison that had been made between the two cases, with so little regard to justice. It wits, in hie', confounding iiitiocetice with guilt—confounding a Gentleman of unimpeach able character with the wretch who bed been pro rlueed sit the brr. This Gentleman (Mr. Cullyei) is connected with one of the first estublithineitts in the country, which has long conferred the most signal advantages upon this country, winch has taken a most conspicuous station, a n d udVerntell with success, and spotless success, ell the great questions that interested the empire.--Illere the Hon. Gtmtleinaii was iuterrupted by coughilig.]— The Hun. Member proceeded: be espial(' assure the House he was not to be interrupted in the discharge of what he considered his ditty. The attempt tuight be made, but it must prove unsuccessful. He stood there in defence of an injured Gentleman ; and the House, in asserting their own privileges, ought to abstain from- wounding individual cha recter. Mr. Celiyer was examined at that bar, and impressed every man that heard him with a favour able opinion. He never heard a man, either at that bar or any other place, culled ou to accovitt for hi• conduct, acquit himself with greater credit. He (Mr. Hutchinson) was so far • friend to the liberty of the press, that he should almost feel dis posed to pass over the present instance. But surely the Noble Marquis (Lotuloaderry) could uot _ . be serious in competing it %ill' the care ~r Collyer. Ile should nut detain t h e I Inu•r Ile rose ror the purpose of expremiifig the imlturn thou which he felt •t the atreoge mAlict r in whip Iwo comm. so completely theme!. Itistl hee u t mi founded. 11 ? I LbtoT raid, he should vole for the severer Intilletultrla. Ile thoogiat thr analogy hrtwerii the two cases completely litalrtlyell. Tina caw, thco, &Iseuld be coseololrrtil on it* ow n mri ; for if t: it weretOlerated, there coot,' 6 r no po liti c o lions without violating all the ties of civilised': ao. 1► Ir. llastuu said, that no Clentleman caul I be actuated by any petite/al mourn against the.c : too. fortunate wretches. the sole object of the I lota-v could he to vintlicate their nen privd.g,a, It. thought there wits ito analogy whatever brtwerst 111, two cases. 110 the fernier close it was inertly it 1r1•,- reps cavitation of a opeeelt of n !trendier of Ci.t IlowoC, warren that Could not be d e tesa t i oc d, • a Member . of that flame bi owl up and said• 'toe statement was . correct. • 'lle two CAM a were a s di.. tinet as possible. Mr. heir,as a reluctant party to II e vote that was risen Ins the former oceswitne ; but althosigh they rinse to a lenient decision at that time. he saw no rounds fur it slow. The Marquis; of LOPPOIIDgRItY said. thin I►! merely moved the stneudissent. heciture sow. thing was necessary in opposition to that of the Noble Lord "I:Pointe (law+ Nvgent). lie had, however. Ito ohlecteolt, t( it ewe the wish of the to withdraw it. S r JAMES &Levitt Noon, sheervesl, that si the Noble Alarqin had cosiseuted, is deference to the (+pinkie.' of the tirsurv;to withdraw modem, lie thought his Noble Friend (Lord NU4rial) might do the same; and as the. Noble Marquis haul con sented to wallet/an a er punishment. d atalio rlsould• be withdraw the lighter. Before lie sat dorm. be mast make one observation on wbet'lisd (seamed doting this thsearriuti. Ile con sidered it one of the most alarming symptoms of the present times to hear doubts throws' out as to the right of dist !louse to vindicate its own Kiwi. leges.—(Heuv, Fear.)—Of the piper' iit quebtiotte, lie knew nothisig, except of the isoragraph Iu spice toii,and nothing, io Isis upini. 14 could have a more permcicas tendency than to tolerate any publication that could check that bold, 'mud manly. Dud nide per/dent. expression of sentiment winch so presemi. smugly distinguished the dircussions of that sr trembly obove• all the - other commonwealths in tl:e world.—(ffenr,Aear.) Lord NUGENT withdrew his motion in deference to the opinions of the House. Mr. UROUGIIAM said, that in the case of Mr. Collyer lie had interfered fur a mitigation of pu nishment, and he had this. evening r e freelied h i s memory. The [louse might, in that instance, hate been wrong us to the fact ; but the pui,lstiment must have been determined by the inclina tion. Mr. Cullyer was culled •nd vrainioed, rod Isms manner, and the consistency of his state ments war, as it should ots all occasions, be taken into cousideration. ilia statement was corrobo rated by • Member of that noose, olio said that something had occurred of the dtscription Ise haul reported. The statement of Mr. Cullver was, that at the time the ob non, of the lion. Menmher for Aberdeen (Mr. Hume) were made, a coos.der. able noise prevailed in the gallery . ; and he 11:- fluired from a Gentlemen near bins whst the oh. serviteous were, and on his authority be it sells d thew. Now On statement might be true or tod. 130 it was perfectly consietent stills the fact, and ii sc.or generally believed that the utisreprerentation (it' it were sr) Was u !!!!!! cuticulal. If be could lime betided, If he could bring his mind tu. imagire that he cuold be capable of into the mouth of a Member of that lions-, for the perpie nf gratifying his own wise e er pe.sonal wisher, lie should ray, that any leniency would be most misplaced. Ile knew of no punishment the House could inflict adequate to so foul, re wilful, so malletuus a statement,. In nisi* issuance lie should vote, cud he hoped it would be the unanimous opinion of the whole House. fur the punishment of committal. Lord NUGENT explained. lie mid, when lir consented to with aw his amendment, he by ro means meant to abandon Isis opinions. The tote then certainly should nut be unanimous. The House then divided us Mr.BMTING'S motioo. The ouebburs w.re— For the motion A'iivat It Majority in favour of the coin- I 86 mitts! to Newipte On our re-admission to the call. ry ‘Nt• found Mr. S. BOU1:NE ou his Ir gs. He was cumulating': (as well as se could underst•ud) of the severity to which the persons con nected with John Bull were suhjectrd during their exa mination. Sir .1A M ES MACK INTOSH 'cry( tied extremely the stale meat he bad heard, than an lion. /Itemiser should have been present at the examination of these persons at the bar, anal listened in silence, from the fear of xneounteriug any obloquy or nopupularity iuexpres.iegaaopinion en a sours which be thought aid felt was radical , / wrong- Tim' I."y man of 6u weigkt and character should make such a slate nicsit, he regretted as much on account of his Hou. Friend as his ; and be begged to assure his Hon fitted. that when he said regret, it was by no means at variance with the opinions be bad cniertairrd lions a lone acquaintance. 11 11 Hon. Friend bad also made a 'defence to miter Coarts, but of that mode of proceeding he should say, that it was offence to the constitution of PArliawrnt and an ist , u': that House.--(llear.)—The "ler et coasted° pathos. , • ' was the law by which the 4:nrstitto sill)111.1 be iri other. If the House hail r one mumeut ovi I duty 'tad deviated from the proper comm.' of plot , . 0 1.•:: • could the laudable vigilance and unceasing siitentiuu of i,o Hun. to ntlrman (Sir. Wynn) have slumbered for - moment), it would have been imusadiately corrected by that iudlridelal who presides with so much ability over their de• liberations. He had, a few minutes before, taken occasion to deplore the scepticism which he saw prevail as to tt.e right of the House to vindicate its own privileges; but if lir thought that any man could remain sih sit from any dread of unpopularity at a time clan tine House was about to do an act likely to invoke them in disgrace, then, indeed, be should fear that the destruction of Parliament and of the Constitu tion was inevitable.—(year)—gut he should wish to redeem , The character of the House Isom the imputations that had freeness' apes' it, and to vindicate his Hun. Friend against his owe silence. Mr. STURGES BOURNE explained. He really did not think the expresoions mentioned by his Honourable and Learned Friend (Sir James Mackintosh) had eve* escaped his lips. However, he could assure the House if they did, be was not speaking his own seniiments.--(lltar.' —What he said was this, that the Howse had in this in stance gone further Wan in his memory. they had ever done uu a similar occasiou. He had even poilitrd out the in stances to which be thought they had dose so. He tbeoibt . r.• $: • • • s•; . 1