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+re"' • in, in conCitm.tv ihpret VI lot an AB of last 'Session, do eon and &terrain*, ; t' b saae rat in its contained in a scl.esiale w,itc., h. presented to tiic c..emmittre, be granted ii li tt . 1 -• .the lan Aironer 'tared stsme small a !ti zi in. t‘hicli were prippi.s..cl to !.e made to some of the du es, via. that an Houses, where the Rum bir exceit.ted tour or five H.arths.t The dun... should be one half more on Bachelor' than on married men, and it was proposed to make a 'mai , redukti-ri in the ditty on Licenses. There was but one other article, namely, Paper. on which it wa, props:el to make a small alteration in the evsting duties. The Resolution was then put from the and after a shnrt conversation between Mr. IIOSE sad Sir J. NEWPORT. ameed tes, when the House )laving resumed. vie Report was ordered to be m e 1..,1 no Mnmt:y . . The Turkey Tobacco read a third time. and passed. Hohhouse brought up the Report of the Com - ntrtee up-in the Additional Bounties on West India Produce. Tke several resolutions were agreed to, and a 13;11 orde'ed to be prepared and brought 1101:HOUS I. moved, " That the Hew, at its thine, do 4,11.12 , 11 t:s Mnitday nest."—Ordered. ANNUAL IRISH GRANT% AND YUKIO INSTITU TIONS Sr JOHN 'NEWPORT moved, .4 That rha 1111a;m0 do ire taco Con;mittes of gorily. and that the severe! P-iitions resented to the House on the h inst. from the various Pahlie jestinitions in Ire. Mad. be rafevreJ to said Committee." O R the I fq.ise Roil% in , o Consul**, the Hon. Batqnst root and moved. for Ireland. the FOR Resolutions:— That th , . ince el 1040111. ftworhey, ly rimiled fee de rsjiag the ext..er• lits...ing Poichinsmion eM Advs.- ~• Th..publie Cisamt*. • • DO(101 1.4v1i cumetki t f rlie espensord Crwa 110 0 1 !nth cur , eery , I`..r Printing sad Inteliers tins Ads sbe dad of His ptes.nt ' 'stem 91.4 t. hash eeue. , cy. ter Swims", jilting, tie. firm the bth cloy .4 January 11111. to the Bth of /mow lige. 45,11001. Irish Cwre..t+, t,K derreying din inillisne• of Cr. MI trt a I I , ...(eutiewts i.. Ir- I.w the tom 4 .9'411. No Corre , ,ey, for apprehending %Abe Offenders in Ireland. 9.4 ,• , Coming.. supprcting tbe Kea Conforigiag Mit.tor,* I. Iris'. Cr rt—sey. for defraying the enplane of His IWl:lrsied Geld Minn to the earn, of W0:41.w. &sides various other usual Anneal Parliamentary Grunts fer that coootry. nod also certain Grants to. Ward• 4.4 raying the carfare, of the seve►al UYLIC INsurvritnis im IRELAND. The fo/hav/ 4 re it an Abbtrad of the total tame, of these fastatuti,lrs. part of whieb only is 4-frayed by P.:dime:mt. as nit trA In tha adulates laid before die flout, en tNe 9 h instant : 701 ONZ TEAR, TA JANUARY, i SOS. 1. 7114 Vterntent Charter Seho,M . • I t iit,634 2- T h. romp*li .g H. epleal • • • 2'4300 • 3 The ll3bernian Astro, Society • 11. 44 • 4 The flwenttan S••e.ett. for Soldiers' b. The ron3le tarahaa lions. C2 0 4.-en 11.6:6 1',44.41 ..9 rite Anteeiatio‘i fur Dieenen!: .‘ „, • ,„ g tree . 1,:3.91 t Tle Welt moreland 1.0, .•141.101. • . 7,937 ... rb l T 1' 4 ":„ 11101 "" tis 0 ., 4 11 :..e . ustry and Penitrtriary for . . .11 l' , .e re- "'"'"'' . 45,92/ 11. l'n - ...eery and fever Hospital. . 4.404 • - . ! y0rt..1., Ift.teit ,I 91 • , . . 4,190 • 1 ~• Ilk , .`.. , ••••1 ,- * •-• Cit 4414•10.4 D 01141044 400 . . • I ..of !wilt,. Cidlolat. Fe.-ggenesy IS nemi.., Strote,..'s H...piket . . . 1411 1: 14. T. Duci , Snev-e . . . 11016 19. t' ne V ',mini StA:kty . . . 6,61:1 16 — .to Coostootahrte.a of Wid. Street . . 11+,717 17 Tae Commit...nem l'..a ravilig, lit. . . v.,111 11 Sir Pat•ick Den,i's Heepotal . . . 6,204 19. The Itnyal Ce:leg: of Ist eons . . 0,517 the Resolution fir making a Grant towards defraying the wears of use Association for dis. countenancing Vice. Mr. HERBER r M.* and stated same objne. does to tech a Grant being made by Government towar d % thli Insitution. Mr. COliliY obsirred. that it was a provision, *finally made by the coctipaa entered into at the Union, amongst other chatitahle grants, formerly wade by tl.e Irish Parliament ; and, therefore, it would he anjast to deprive Ireland of those advanta ge,. %Ouch the inhabitant' (Gemini? enjoyed. He approved highly of the Hon. Gentlemans vigilance, in guarding the public ,pure against abuses; hut, regard to that body, he be g ged to inform him, that it was a Parliamentary corporation. Aler the stat,•ment *inch he had heard an lion. Gentle stun make, last night. in the idluse, relative to the better education of the Poor, lie could not but re ji.ice is s.wing those benefits, that that II in. Gen tleman had so well desct iced, s., conspieuuns in the present trstarne, by the progress which education hid made, under the snperii.tendance of that parti cular corporation If tree Gentieman, who an post d that Grant, had adverted to thew advanta. get. he was sate he, would not have objenc,l to it. Mr. WI I.tERFORCE said, he deemed it pro per for him to say a word or two upon this subjva. as it was one with which he was pretty well ac quainted. There is, said hot, in the capital of this Island, a great fund of wealth, a large portion of which is diarihuted with readinos towards all institutior.s for 'P^ relief of those in need ; Ireland, we know, was not so favoured, and therefore it was not unnatural to think. that the Parliament of that country deemed it necessary to make certain grants to sue; benevolent institutions, horn time to time; and I feel desirous. therefore, that Go steps should be taken, by the United Parliament, to injnre those charitable Institutions, which existed before tirl Mawr. So lar trorn decrea.ing those giants. I should rather think of voting utetu additions. With regard to the particular Society now under consi deration. I can stencil!, to say, that there never was any of a more judicious and beneficial description. The ot t ied of rendering the Scriptures better known, is tire most jog and precise mode of cluing good. We know, that the reformation of religion. through out k.nrcire. hat Leen g.euly owing to the general rliffus:nn of the Scriptures its the vulgar tongue." On these groands„ thirrefoie, be should give his hearty assent to the grant. The Revo`ution was then agreed tn. Oa the Resolution fur the grant of 13,0001. to the Roman Cathoihr. Seminary, being ptopaud, Mr. PUICEVAL rn.e, and stated. that he ob jraed to this proposed increase to that institistif.n. Ile th.might there was great imp die) , iu proinntiag a Catholic establishment ra Ireland. If. under stood that Lit was for (but of tu;tp•sztiag 1 r • - - • the College of Maytoefh, fee the eduiatlon of . 1 Popish Clergymen. which, as it was orignally sista- , blished. was only to pest Government, WWI. enema, bat now it aas raised to 13,0001. This was *very large addition to the original sans, and .s that addition was intended for the purpose of in creasing the buildings of that Seminary, which would gradually bring tes claims foe an inaeaseof its inhabitants also, thus, there was no saying whew those applications fir additional assistance were of 'end . We should find that institution going on increpratia fr year to year. and vying with the College al blip itself. This he I n thought would be secoridar to establishing the R,- man Catholic religion s ki Ireland, and therefore he finad it to he consistetWeith !-.is dory to express his negative to the granting of such as increase Sir JOHN NEWPORT rose, and addressed the Chairman nearly as hallows :—.. S-r, lam much astonished at the objection which has been started by the Right Hon. Gentleman; rr, that he should form the conclusion from any thing 1• have propo. sed, that a large increased demand must he made every year. This present demand is only made for the purpose of ercaing additional buildings; bolt. in order to do away the °hire:lions which have been stated, I must trouble the Committee with a few observations upon the orinin of the Institutian in question. Previous to the ?revolution. and pre 'Pions to the estahlishment of this college. Cler gymen of the Roman Catholic persuasion were educated abroad. That mode could hardly be thought the most preferable for men who were to live under the British Government. 'the question resolved itself to this, whether Parliament should think it oest, that Raman Catholic Priests should receive their education abroad, or that a large proportion of the population of Ireland should be left without the means of instruction in the religion of their fathm? and whether it is better to allow the subjeecis of Ireland to be 'decried by an enlighened or by an unenlightened prier.thood? When the Catholic Clergy were edu cated out of the country, Viere was a Parliamentary Grant allowed them; and when they became infirm and aged, there was an iacreased demand, for the arlPP'vt of Clergymen. sent to the different parishes. Under the circumstances of the times. such demands guntually increased to such an extent, that many parishes were left formerly without the means of instruCtion. However much the Right Honoura ble Gentleman may wish to diminish the Grants made by Parliament. I am convinced that the House mint see the propriety of inserneing the people of Ireland , by means of Clergymen of - their own persuasion. As to an increase of the number of scholar-, I may only ob,erve, that the Prof. sent, appointed for the two hundred already admitted, might be sufficient for the education of three hun dred scholars; so that although there should be. at any future period. an addition of one hundred to their present numb-r, the additional expence upon that score would be but t ifliag." Mr. HERBERT said, that of all the steles% which the Right Hon. Baronet (Sir J. Newport) had brought forward, none gave him more pleasure than the one under consideration. fie knew well that nothing could tend more to confirm and esta blish the principles of loyalty among:: the inhabit ants of Ireland. than instruding than in the reti giou they profess, and m4ltipg them feel that they are assisted in their laadahle pursuits, by the liberal support of the Government under which they live. Mr. PERCEVAL add.r.i. that he did not elm ccire that this Institution applied merely to the education of Catholic Priests. lle thought it was Wisely also to he used far the education of the Ro wan Catholic Gentry. when he considered that there were nu less than eighteen dttf.•reat descrip tions of masters for the education of 200 scholars. he institution was therefore impolitic. Previous to this estahlishatent. Roman Catholic Gentlemen were educated at Protestant seminafies. Their being educated at a Catholic seminary, was liable to make them cnutraa habits in early life, which might after wards proye prejudicial to the state, or at least to the established religion of the country. He would not so much quattel with the present proposed in - . were he assured that there would not be avnually applications made for similar inct • ; but next year there would perhaps be an applica tinu for an additional support for another 100 scho. lats. which, at the present rate of 251. each, would be 2,5001. Sir JOIIN NEWPORT—" There is a secondary College for the instruflion of Catholic laymen, which has nothing to do with Parliamentary giants. I believe, however. that the Priests' College does also afford inarnaion to the Lay College, and that the instruaors are paid for so doing. as they were allowed very low salaries. I believe the highest professors have only 901. a year. and the average a the others betwixt WI. and 801. This praCtice could not, however. be in the intention of Govern ment at the time of the institurion of the Priests' College, as the Lay College was not established till foar or five years afterwards. The professors were originally appointed from amongst a very loyal set of persons, who. having been persecuted in France, were driven from their situations in their untie* country, and took refuge in Ireland, where ft was thought better to give them such situations, than to support them as idle member, of society. Mr. GRA rTAN said. that the question was. whether Parliament should thiuk it was mast pro. dent to instruel the Roman Catholic Laity, by a Roman Catholic Priesthood, of a foreign education, or to enable them both to be instia.led at lime! By Parliament going further in their support, they will enable the Catholic Priests to procure their edu cation at home, and a fatal policy would be avoided, more dangerous than ever existed, even in times of Catholic superstition. In his mind, thereto', it was a most pi udeutial step that the Irish Parlia ment had adopted. when they crtablished an Insti tution for the iustruetion of Catholic Priests in Ireland, because it was the most probable means of arnalgansatin4, as it were, the two religions. For that potpie too, he did not ofeet to the L a ity of I r el a nd being so ms:tuaed. W hen he cmssifered the sum nee-ssary to accomplish that desirahle end, I.e could nit help thinking it WAS exceed.nlity small, compared with the °Nee i n v i e w. It was surely a small 'Nonce incurred, when Parliament, by giving 1 1 .0001. a year, afford ed thz (seam of, Lisauaing three and a b;11 . ash- lions of people. Re could net that any per. son should cornplain rei s any prodigality in a uses. sure SS ferourable „to the vowel policy of ,tlte country. What witothere, he would ask. 'het ought to be more an eked ef the public care, that the horse education of the Cailsoltcs ? " In so much," said Mr. Grattan. " AS the home education of the Roman Ca. holies of Leland produces *Regis *nee, in as mtrch does a foreign education tend to produce their disloyalty." Mr. BANK ES he thought this matter came before the House not As a fir •si tut as a growing establishment ; and. therefore. it became the Hou-ti to look to it in various points of view. It was evidently a matter of increased expenditure almost unlimited. The expence of the edacation of Prie,ts must increase in proporion to the demand for them. Who could say that IS Professors, or even 1000 of them, would be sullirient These Colleges were principally for the higher, and not for the lower order nt the people. Could there be a d-iubt that this tends to keep up the spirit of the Catholic Religion in Ireland? lie cautioned the House to pause before they determined upon such an important point. It looked like what he should always deprc'ate, the estatlshment of the Catholic Religion, which he deemed to be dangerous and suhversive of Government. Captain HERBERT said, that if this measure was to in-roduce the Catholic Religion, as the Honourable Gentleman who spoke last suppos ed, it should indeed make him, pause long be fore he assented to it. If it was acknowledged (as it seemed to be) that it was a preferable scheme to educate 1 1 .iests here, rather than abroad, whence they were likely to bring home most dingerois principles ; he was sure that it must also Ise acknowledged, that the total absence of well educated Pastors would tend to produce a most pernicious influence, by a total want of reli gious prinziples. He begged to remind the lion. Gent. who evosed the scheme, that the clarvier he alluded to. had already horn proved in erance. There the Roman Catholic Pt irsts were di iven from home, and Prot, sums were showed to Was it to be argued, that Prote.stant Christians have thereby increased in that country ? kle believed, that their number had woefully decreased by that very measure which had bean adopted for their in• crease. Lord STANLEY said a few words in support of the Resolution, 23 be thought it would not tend to incr. an the Catholic Religion, but ultimately to en courage that of the Protestants. The Resolution which had trivets rise to this &is cuscinn, was then put, sod cat tied. All the other iteinlutions were severally agreed tot the House resumed, and the Repott ordered to be received on Monday next. APuLITIONI OF 'OW SLAVE TRADE. _ _ ........... _____ Lord IIOWICK. moved the order of the day for the &mond reading of the Rill for the Aboli. tion of the 81Ave Trade, and &At Counsel be forth with ordered to attend. General GASCOYNE submitted 'to the House, whether it was not too late a time of the night, to enter en the consideration of so grave and inipo:ta.tt an inquiry ? It was understood, that the day would hare been solely devoted to the discussion of the not.go,ure. He, theteiong pet it to the Hollio to postpone the busine%suntil Monday. • Mr. FULLER coinciled ia the opinion, that it was rather late to commence the discussion. It was much more desirable to have the Counsel at the bar at three o'clock, the usual hour of the House being assembled. Lord HOWICK fully admitted the importance of the quvstion, and that it was entitled to the fullest discussion. At the same time, he could not see any necessity for postponement, particularly when it was arranged, and generally tin2erstood, that Counsel were only to be heard this night ; and the debate to take place on the committal of the Bill, on M .nday. The Motion of the Noble Lord being carried in the affirmative, Counsel were called in accordingly. Mr. Dallas appeared for the West India Pisnt ers, Proprietors, and Traders, of the Island of Ja maica. Mr. Alerander, for the Merchants and Traders in the Aftiesn Slave Trade, horn the Port of London. Mr. Clarke, for the Mayor and Corporation of Liverpool, and the Trustees of the African Docks. Mr. Scarlet, for the Planters and Proprietors in the Island of Trinidad. Mr. ILllas attlres.ed tie House, at considerable length, in behalf of the Planers of the Island of Jamaica, and concluded with a request of being al lowed to produce evidence to substantiate his po sitions. Hord HOWICK observed, that in the able state ment of the Learned Counsel there was nothing advanced with which the House was not acquaint ed in previoas discussions of this tribie. In the re ference spade to the revolution in dr' Island of St. Doming*, the inflate:lce which had been shown by Counsel was merely a mattes of opinion. If the House should on every occasion listen to similar requests to adduce evidence, the question would never be he eight to a decision. As to what was advanced by the Counsel relative to two spies being vent from St. D'imingo to the island of Jamaica, he WAS ready to admit the matter of fan, and therefore k was unnecessary to call evidence for the purpose of proving that circumstance. Gen. GA SCOY N E thmtght the hearing of evi dence so necessary, that he felt it incumbent on h:m to submit a to the Howe, for allowieg the Counsel to produce his evidence. Mr. MI-LEM seconded the Motion, as he felt convinced, that in refusing to hear evidence, there WAS neither fairness, propriety, or decorum. The Nable Lord ha! said, that some of the conclusions of the Learned Counsel were mere usurers of opinion. He would in answer ask, how was this country governed, but by matter of opinion Flow was the Admiralty managed f Had not the Noble Lord a very near relative conflated with the Ad miralty, mhos, speech in the House of Lords /Near! hear!) had proved the danger of this measure. Mr. IIIBBERT professed his wishes to have evidence herd. Sir CHARLES POLE expressed a similar opi• aino, and contended chit the African Slave Trade was aeither tiajtait or impolitic, whilst its abolition would prole in its erels as aktt of hatharity to t h e negrosi !bonne:to% Mr. WILBERFORCE was at a lost to astettaia the views of kiln. Gentlemen in asking f o r m , dstice, after the numerous and ample tlidessionis the moasure hat. :ow ti:ree years. receivr!j. ha 1 below stairs and in Commi7ttes abote. With te. sp-& to the n store tof th e , evidence which the t,e,rned Counsel wished to edduce, he had int:. 'rnat-.4 and-lire to examine an Han. Member of that litottie Whatever Bald the • informatiom of that Hon I 4 tither mtght throw on the subjeCt, the time for &sett:dog the principle of the Bill would aff.4 the natin bene6tial oppinunity. But it was oast G ortruor of a Wed Indi r island that he felt iodised to form an opinion of the treatment of the Slave. It was impossible for a person fith r . such an office to be implanted with the acts; situation of those so far removed from him in tle gradations of society. If even in this counts,' RR inquiry was dire:led to ascertain the treatment and habits of the peasantry, it was not from the higher orders of the State that the oitaft would he bra effeCted. It was only creating isoinactss.ary delay is enter into stria an examination. Mr. Dallas being readmitted, the SPEAKER informed him, that it was the resolution of the flume, that his request for the pro.nelion of mi. dente could not he com i alied with. Mr. Alexander, Mr. Clarke, and Mr. Scarlet, were severally heard tor the respedive parties where they represceed. On the motion of GenetafGASCOYNE, TI-.A evidtnte be heard as requened by the Cc unael tot the Proprietors of Tiini,ed ;" Mr.. ill/WERT thodcbt this a new ease, and as a t t clog comprehended in thosefurnver d se •ssions, the results of which were of such a decisive awerc, bad some strong pretensions to turthrr Lord HOW ICK declared him trawl: :is opp-se the predudion of any ttsetul evident ; t. s a he wished the Learned Counsel pait;culntly fy to o bat points he int-tided to *Jilin° evideinc. When Counsel•wee called in. lie was sies:red hf the SPEAKER to state distinct y and eridicitly, to whit :voirts he was unzions to c.:ii evidern:•. Mr, Scarlet obser ved, that he wished ta impose on the House the infant state of the cud ivatiren Trinidad, the pledge which had been made to the Plantes' by the British Government, end tle cesirity of fresh importairms of African for the improvement of theit ditLient plantations. Mr. WILBERFORCE s. I, 'that if the pip:: faith was pledged to the planters of 'Prisf ,t was. of course, in their power to /statism vlre , intishe document tb that purpose. With re. .-eo t'ic assertion, that the estates in that i-lneld in an irrciwiate state, it would he a matter of fir ate inquiry, to examine how far the planters were jai• tined in undertaking a system of cultiviti .s. incompatible with the repeated rensletions of t!•. House. At all events, these obj!ettons and ~r; meets could not apply to t:,e principle of it t..•. founded on grounds of a diffeient nature; ever, on a future occasion. it was possible to ceive them as reasons for public compensetill was idle and totally irrelevant, to intro lace suhject of compensation ca the dis.Aris , vn principle of justice and humanity. Paid. ,nt might herea::er he incli.ed t, comp-Its4lt: whet.' actual *jury was sustained, hut thi! 2t:V , IC.IZVI for the abolition, scuired the viniveit idea of icy bargain or compromise in the ac:onaplishmunt cf K• qr. ROSE saw the sal tt in Tile. sitnie iii tie. and thought the present an imprner time fur cu ll • sidering the question of compensation. Mr. HOWOR and Mr. BARHAM thought j ust i ce was equally due to the proprietors of West India estates, as well as to every other class of mankind. Anual injury would be the co:twine ice of this measure to many of them, and unless some compensation was made, it trould ba cepa! to CI aft of confiscation. Lord HO WICK deniel that any grants of land were given to the Planters in 'Trinidad, nor was this public faith bound to any such pledge. On the con trary, in the Administration of Lord Sidmourb, a different determination was openly avowed. As to the measure of compensation, he could only say. that if hereafter any injury, an effri. which he was strongly inclined to 4•lllCretilt, WAS sustained, the Parliament would an on its aural principle, in such cases, as it was never slow to ind.minify private sufferers. when affeffed by public measures s but that was certainly a subj-d for ulterior considers ation. General GASCOYNF. w.is glad to beat ilia general principle cf indemnity on tl.is mane ad mitted. Lord HOWICK said. only the general principle on which the House uniformly Me d. Sir PHILIP Fit winds* not deny the possibility of a case wbere compensation might be granted; but he would ever oppose a compansatirq . for the loss which may arise trom Gessa:ion of the profits of a criminal and iniquitous traffic. Mr. ROSCOE ;yes. of opinion. that when the debt due to the rights and liberties of heinail itattitia • was paid. it might be thought censisterst with the genernus feeling of the House and country. to in demnify the Proprietors and Planters of the Nest India Islands, (ram the ln:ses and injuri,s whit.h they might sustain. The services th •y had certainly rendered to the in akin,* strength of the country. the security they provided fur the Colonies, and the great support they hod given to the revenue, secuhl plead in their behalf, and arrest the attemiuke of the Government and the country. At present. the hist and paramount duty to justice and religit n should be performed. by quietly abolishing this execrable and inhuman :raffia. Mr. ROSEiur Ti io itN I'ON could not assent to the measure of compensation. He was in tr.... 1.1 himself, and of course subjed to ds &San i Ice sad un:ertainties; be world be obliged to any Hon. Gentleman to indemii fy him against them. Sot the present ume was the farthest horn the most proptt for considering such a propotition, ah-n a me...uie was iceout to be accompl..hed which would b • en ornament to the !O the pr..sent age. and to the adrninisttaion under whose auspices this signal aft of humanity will be carried into exctrion. e•it‘i anal of justice should nit be stained awl t.taistel by such irrelevant observations. Mr. SPENCIR S. ANHOPE spoke in Swot of the immediate abolition, and eonsideved the =vas w-0.0 gr. et cr Va Che ; Jo Gene • ' ciol i ,n4l T,nri r,r4"r the ow Kt 1:. • I'Y~ fart if on