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!v , !nPeftel, violations of trtith cud honour, so ne find that the first measure of Ili, Maje,ty'a Ministers with respect to Ireland has made it incumbent on them to ad: sun: in their career of oppression and injustice, until they have at length violated every precept of morality, and disclaimed every respect for tuitional character. Do the partisans of that measure vaiuly hope, that its advantages will out live the dang._r and the calamitios that will spring from it? Are they blind to the prospect of aftiiirs, when Denmark or France shall have recruited that marine with the hearts and energies which your conduct ha. afforded thou) ? Yes, when the ad vantages have ceased, it will be found that we have left to Denmark means of peril more itriminent to us than the equipment of her ships. We will have left to tlwat :tate unnaumeuts of our robbery and ra vage. We will have left to them those monuments, which, whilst they protlaiin to the world the degra dation Of oar name, will infuse into the yet unborn youth of Dc.'ninark the seeds of unappeasable ran cour unit the perpetrators of that measure which fins," their city and butchered their forefathers. That venerable church, the pride of their archi tecture, will be then approached with more rrve . rential awe. us it will inspire every sentiment of pa triotic indiginuina against the authors of its ruins. :That sacred edifice will, iu its present state, until 'that asifcl time,'•when, in the cenivulsious of this orb, one .stone will not be left upon another, be of •their *altering, and the side, and contended, from the inordinate power of Frauce, and the inability of Denmark to defend her fleet, that it was the duty and policy of Minis ters to crush this elarinine Coufoderacy in its birth. Mr. MORRIS did not canecive it at all ueceo sissy for Ministers to limit the discussion of sins question to the secret arsaugcuients of Tilst. It was to be viewed both as it referred to the power, . and means, and iuteutions of knwee, and to the secret and long-entertaiossi ohjects of the maritime powers of the North es Europe.— From the sentiments Ate-erns tor Denmark, at the period of the armed neutrality, and the disposition sheen by her on carry occasion since, there was, he colleen e I, little doubt to he eutertained of her iu teution of coalescing with France an the present occasion. Ile, however, had no doubt, but that if she could huve maintained lair neutrality, she would lie disposed to do so. But he also thought, that under her present circumstances, and the inordioatn aggrandisement of France, that there was every reason to believe she would have joined common cause with that country against Great Mails . He would call upon Gentleman to refleet upon the imminent danger which this country was threatened with, and par ticulerly Ireland; entertaining, as lie did, the be , lief, that it was the intention of Bonaparte to earn the fleet of Denmark to the invasion of that coon try. He thought this was the use this elect ass destined for, and trot considering its magnitude, mad the jarring and discordant elements of civil war, which existed iu Ireland /Mar 1 /ear !S great danger to the empire, was averted hy our seising upon it. If ever there was a necessity in which the viclation of a moral rule could- be juatilled, surely it was the necessity of seiritig upon this Beet. Could there be as possible doubt oa the mind of any impartial man, of the inten tion of France . to possess herself of these ships, and to use them aS instruments of vengeauce against this country ?--Ile thought there could not. Feel ing, therefore, the straits and imperative necessity upon which this act was grounded, and the inten tions of France, together with the facts disclosed in the papers Laid upon the table by the ',tight lion. Secretary of State, he was saustied it was an act not only justitiable, but meritorious. A great deal had heen 'treed as to the injury and tarnish which oar character would suffer to the eyes of I Europe sad the world; but he trusted that when I all eircienstances were consideeed,.tbe indispeesa ble necessity there was for this ptocedure towards Denmark, would fully plaid its Astilicatiost. He had the authority of two most learned and praeouud civilians, Puffentlorf cud Grotius, who recognised the justifiableness, of the principle of Dramas - for the breach of a moral law, what that necessity was fully *hewn. He concluded by expressing his conviebon, that the ilium in vestigation would this would swore honourable and creditable to those who had planned the late expedition to the Baltic. Mr. LYTTLETON said, it was Rot his inten tion to have trespassed upon the House, particu larly at so late an hour, but be could not help saying, that life-in;, as he did from the present Administration on many its :Mat questions, he coafesseel, that from the they load given the House, on the mean** lira late expeditioo, sesta i ebee he had become their proselyig. I-4 woe may to be under the necessity of itfering ftam the. who entertained different sentiments, feeling as he did the highest respect for their learning and talents. It co* not, - hc said, quite clear to liiin, that Dra ined; was capable of defending herself. fmm the • attack* of Finney, if she were even dispneed to do so, which be my much doubted. Her late sus &jobs cantina, and that of her Patriotic Crown Prince (as he was called), were sufficient to spew her disposition to coalesce with France, against this countr o Indeed, he had iso doubt upon hi. own mind nut it, and therefore could not think the representation of His Majeetfa Ministers to justify this act, overcharged. He hardly thought it ne misery for their justification, to have -proved so touch as they had dons. He expressed his convic tion of the certainty of this Bert being iutended for the invasion of Ireland; which, Root the pre seat state of Ott country, it would be the object of Frame to attempt. I those rheum-tances, he was pefecey persuaded of the espedisney of the mei/etre adopted be Ministers, in creating this I Beet from the grasp of Bonaparte. Mt. WIIITBRE.ID said, he had listened with considerable attention to the argumeats of the Hon. Gentleman behind him. He felt, however, not a little surprised at the observatious and con clusions of that very ingenious Gentleman. As well as he could cotlectlim. he understood hint to have said, that the satisfactory manner in which His Majesty's Ministers had accounted for the late expedition to Copenhagen, bad made him a pro selyte to that measure. He eery much feared that the proselytism of the Floe. Gentleman was rather hasty, and hoped, that ail review of his conclit sine respecting this measure, he would. be inclined to cane back to his former opinion. What, he would salt, were the documents produced? A set of garbled and mutilated papers and letters, the selestion of the Right Hon. Secretary opposite him ; than whom there were few more ably gm- , Stied to select what were most fit to answer his purpose. Ile,. for this reason, regretted that the possession of those papers was entrusted to that Right lien. Gentleman. He was very sorry that the lion. Gentleman behind him should he carried away by the evidence of scraps of letter*, &e. whe ther authentic or not, he could not divine. Minis ters had confessed that they were in possession of papers which would folly justify them in the late attack upon Copenhagen. If so, whir not produce them? and not put us off with what thee have thought proper to select. He did contend, that it was absolutely necessary to the understand ing of those letters, that every one or them should be laid before the Hone. Without this, and without being possessed of the con text of the whole, and of the fluctuation of the opinions of the writers, it was utterly impassible to understand their meaning. He was thoroughly persuaded that this countryseinld, in no instance, be rendered more secure, 6* this most violent and unjustifiable measure. The comparison drawn by the Right Honourable Seeretate, between the ex pa:Piton to Cnnetantinopie and that to Denmark, be did hope would not have been mixed up with the present dismission. He flatly hoped Ric Right Hon. Gentleman and his Colleagues would let us go to their. trial, as we invited them to conic to our's. The Right Honourable Secretary asserted there was not a man in the country who was not eoteided of the expediency of the exitedi tion to Copenhagen. He was sorry to differ with the ,Right Hon. Gentleman, and he was convinced that the eterutry would feel the falsehood and delu sion of the assertion. and the wretched and puerile effort by which it was attempted to justify this vio lent and unprincipled measure. Ile could not help saying, that the Right Hon. Secretary and his euileugues were so ebmplettly at variance in the manner in which they have endeavoured to justify tins . act, and so contradictory and in consistent with theinselves, that one was et a loss which .of their stories to believe.— Tiler were like a set of witnesses who had agreed, among themselves, to tell the same story, but when Micro-anis examined in separate rooms, they varied in their evideace. He then took notice of the sari awe between the statements in the King's Speech, and those since made by the Ministers. His Ma ' jesty was made to soy, that the Powers of Europe had combined to form a oonfederacy against us; but the Right Hou. Gentleman, in his speech, statel,that Denmark, one of these powers, was iu ethanivance with France against this country. And ode naval and military Commanders, who led the' late expedition, in their proclamations, recommend ed it to Denmark not to listen to cruel advisers.— Without going into the various details of contradic tory statements, he would take it as a fact, that Denmark did wish to coati 111 l e in a state of neutra lity; and lie desired Ministers to give seine more in forinsitiou. Let hir. Gerlicke he called to the Bar of the House and say what he knew of the disposi tion of the 15enisth. Court. He sorely was in no danger of being seised by Bonaparte. Let the whole of Lord Flutchirmon's letters be laid before the House... AA Lord Granville Leveaoa Gower state whet he knew of the disposition of Russia. A heavy charge we; made hey Russia against this country, for net atlording her any co-operation daring the minpaigu in Poland. Now, was there any fountlaeou for the reproaches of Baron Bud . burg ? Every body knew that a fame of 10 or tome) wen, expozuf u. they mast he be certain destruc tion, could never have everted the fatal battle of Friedland. But, if' Ministers were in possession of the secret artialto in the Treaty of Titbit, why did they not produce it? It had been said, that s hos tile mind ezipttal in. Russia against this country ;. and that tha wield seize on the Danish navy.— " Now, " coatiuued Mr..Whitlassai, " I ask Minis ters whether it was known to them that Russia was hostile to this totuitry previous to the attack ask Copenhagen?" [Mr. Canning answered across the table—" Yes."] " l sun net," replied Mr. Whit bread, n disposed to dnubt that the Right Hon. Gentleman thinks what be says is true; bat let that be peoved—let witnesses be ae to the fact." Frequent mention had beet/ amide of the in veterate hostility of France: but what else could be expected from France except hostility? The endeavour on the part of France to combine all the .powers of Europe against us was no mote unjus tifiable than the attempt of this country to form combinations agaium France. It was, however, evident, that Russia was hostile to this country af ter the attack on Copenhagea ; and, on that ao couilt• he contended it was a meanness in this coun try to ask a power so hostile to us to interfere for the purpose of making up the quarrel between us and Denmark. Ile was ready to admit the Right lion. Gentleman had that night aulvanced strong reasons why at attack should not be made en Crnu stadt. With respect to the value of the Danish ships, it was stated, in some accounts, that they ' were very gond slaps becalm they stood the wea ther an well in coming home. But it appeared, from Admiral Gambier's account, it was necessary to repair some of them before they , were put to stn. From the regularity and preparation in the Danish navy, an inference was drawn, that they were in tended to be made use pfatraind us. But it must appear, to any person who ever visited Copenhagen, that, for fifty years past, it had been the practice of the Danes, a practice in which they prided themselves, to have their ship. laid up in ordi nary, in so complete a state of repair, that they could be fitted oat in a very short time. But wheia we took the shi ps , we took the least efficient pert of the Danish navy. We kftbehiud 18,000 seamen, who . would be ready to enter into the ser vice of France; and France had ship. enough for herself, The Euglish acted like shabby thieves. They took only we half of their booty. Why was not the Freuch property at Copenhagen seized Also? The only effem of the expedition was to arm the people of Denmark against us, and to shut us out from the Baltic trade ; while Holland was entirely tinder the power of France, without the hitter being at the expense of sending troops to conquer it. If the act to question was justified by necessity,' he was ready to admit that it was jus tified is morality and in the sight of God. But it could not he justified. .mister wanted to imitate the energy of France. How did they do that? France had slain a giant, sod thee England must go and kill au innocent helpless child. The question now was, not whether the expedition was justifiable, but whether th a t House was bound to thee credit to the assertions of Ministers, and whether it ought not to require nesse information? Lord GRAN VILLE .L . EVESON GOWER said, hishould not trouble the House, it that late hour, were it not that he was called on by the Hon. Gentleman who just sat down, and therefore . be felt it his duty to idler one or two observations on points connected with the situation he Lately held at the Court of Itualia. He denied positively theft!), hostility of Russia was caused either by the neglect of England to send her succours, o r by the attack on Copenhagen. The real cause of that hostility was the !mule of Friedland. The moment the Emperor Alexander arrived at Petershurgh, from Tilsit. after Ageing tile pease with France, the bit person he visited wits his Minister of Marine; and the first order he after a aids gave was, to repair the batteries at Cron stadt. He bad heard it said, that our attack on Copenhagen was a subject of reprobation among the people of the Continent. For his own part he could affirm, that almost all the people whom he conversed with in Rosa*, approved of it, because try that attack they considered thernseltes as re leased from the danger to which they might others - ' Q T.- w i ve b e exposed, if the French were to make Si re , Jen the high road for marching into Russia. H e thou; ht sufficient explanation had been vixen on tin e subject, and would put it to any man who had ev e , been in a diplomatic capacity, whether the w ent inconvenience would not be produced by the die. closure of secret intelligence F He knew m en ,b e Had objected to furnish him with such intellig ence, because they did not know but the same might b t exposed at some future period. Lord CASTLEREAGH entered into a!ong tification of the Copenhagen expedition; anal 'tended, that Ministers ought not to be required t o disclose the secret information they received. Ifs described the various endeavours by His 'Majestv's tiovernment to bring the Court of Denma r k t o y, explanation as to its views, but without effect; nut • drew a conclusion, that the Crown Prince, iu th e • whole of his conduct, had secretly favoured th e • views of France. He denied that Denmark wo o competent to defend itself against the power • France. With regard to the assertina; that we ought to have remained in Copenhagen, he would infor m the House, that Government had given that questio n every discussion; 'and that the earal and militarj Officers being consulted on the occasion, th e rt . enit of their opinion was, that it would requite s mach larger force to keep possession of Zealand, than this country could spare, and much greats that t wits then in Zealand. It was considered improper to call upon Sweden to eontributo any troop s f or that purpose, because she must thereby be exposed to attack on the part of Prussia. It was altos asked of the first nand authorities, whether the island could be mu-manliest by our vessels, so as to pre. vent an invasion on the part of the French ? The report of Admiral Keith was, that on the Jutland side, there were seven or eight forts, in which troops, to the amount of sixty thousand men might be collected, and that if the ninety pendants which were then flying round Zealand were to occupy tae Belt, they must be five miles each dis tant from each other ; and as some of these might be driven from their stations, the Fneselli could, 411 that occasion, seed over their forces, in the small craft, of which there was sufficient number along the shores of Jutland. The Right lion. THOMAS GRENVILLE spoke in favour of the motion, Sir C. PRICE avian it. Mr. PONSON BY closed the debate, of which the lateness of the hour, mud our limits, will net allow us to give a detail. Upon a division there appeared Fee the Mahal los • Aping it ft) Majority wile the Maim . . The House adjourned at HALF-PAST SIX O'CLOCK this morning. TH EATR ——DRICHT-LANR :Th Ewe/6c Tee Sueenceows HUSIII6II O i W WIWI le= be tablet, Tye Davie. To Per.---COYENTJHARDEN: TW !rm. kg, The IVosenesie i efleriebieb, Two Wars, Ben. . the moutimeot of -their suffering, and de! ince:i- -lls:11.W their hostility. Churches might full, uuri . .10 their plitre etier buildings might nee, but the ' spapathy of the country will, tiU the end of ',Line, preserve these hallowed rime. Whilst na- lure lasts, they will preserve tee eternity of the tomb. To the cirenninangators who sail aloog their coast, these ruins will excite in sosue Ow *Wigs of scorn, for the debasement of our coo - '' s . elfthOis ; in others of pity, from the proud recollec- • fiou of oar once glorious history. Tlitoi. with all , .. our love of plunder, we will find the value of our .;possum to have been woefully di:pry:Mad. when theapared with the evils entailed by their adoption. we will is vain reflect upon toe lees of moral tea, sal the importance of the sacrifices we made. When theie teraponuy benefits have • . ,there will remain nothing to compensate. a Wleahawle sell store are spent, new 101000 i b ionsitpscelleue - Viilt what joy will the Envoy of Britain corn , . peat upoi4 thia were ofhostility , on this a1..:41- &Amen% .if ,mitry snood end salutary . prima- • e A Bit there is a dispoition to. admire those 0t outrage Capon acknowledged rights. There • it dagger and a spirit to be observed in their vio- ion. Thus think out" mettlesome, 'high- . rited Ministers. They . dWain to truckle to the :sof Nations, M' to be fettered by restrictive They illustrate the observation of an 0 e sod e . e nt. writer, 4. that . g s rood Mist and folly were, so lon,k considered synaminous that the re- ' verse of the r reposition has Crown into a eertaiaty, aid eve desperado thinks himself a man of ta- • lasts." It was true, morality was a weak iulverwary. `lt is as freak as air to those who dare to encounter `'will it, bat let those who violate it, prepare for its rearseien. . This war of plunder and of blood will etiteilita owe distresses. No bracer can we say— . awasor lisoiss, ammeters teem, Immleives. siasebeset. Not the kiwi the ~ewers will net tong cam era ; or if it it will be only as the bye- .word to all outrage, as a sort of coulter:mace to nil lbeattheithis of trante and °opener's. Now ' lilawapagte may lay. 0 ! Cato, thou art as great ,11 DI i t . There Ire • claw. of men 10 :wale to. the narrow views and sordid induce ments .ethat ao escainre appears of Wee I. ba t is the sordid profit it produces. These men will greet with aeclainittion eiery Get of ,spluedere and of rapiue, carelna of the area and atemeofluirkieh it is etfectej. But I wish to hear the, afinaloPniaf your learned Doctors of the Law, ilyerropfsaad sate_s and learned eisiliaes on the allateAlidgeof ,th e House. Are they converts to pew iocteista? will they disclaim the efficacy of that public jaw of cations which they have taken suds mighty care to understand and to commuisi- cote ? Are they prepared to throb oil' their wigs, bury their books, break their treads, in order :to substitute the Dew system of unprovoked outrage. in place of .the eopioded doctrine of moral justice ? Will, they also, • wits the facility of 1 the Lady, of whom, on a certain oC:a.erms, the public beard a rod deal,. throw away their camphor bag, aud with lier exclaim. it Adieu fair virtue, and welcome pleasure ?" There is yet one point to which 1 beg leave to advert.—Namely. .the insolence and petulance with which these doe*. pents are refused. Certainly, in my recollection of the usages of Parliament, the House was never treated so contuinehously. A due and proper con- fidence in Ministers, I would be the last man to deity ; but, under the prevent circumstances, 1 must tell them, that from int they have no latter of Attorney to iuvulve the credit and honour of the country, and to taraish it with a stain which no future circuoistasices can remove." Mr. MI LN ES ettpatiated largely on the line of conduct adopted by the Gentlemen opposite. The ealy change observable lois, that it did not im- prove by repetitiou. It was attempted to impute to Mieisters a disregard for the abstract principles of justice. 110 . insinuation was more incorrect.— It was not from aneh principles he dissented, but from an improper and culpable application of a re- lined and casuistic morality, lie knew that the measure had the approval of thatchers of men who had minds to think for themselves, and never framed their opinion according to that of a Noble Vise-oust or a Member of that House. Mr. BRAGGE BATHURST argued with great precision, and a statement of strung facts, against the conduct of Ministers, in refusing to produce the document , on which alone the House could forma proper opinion. He warmly- defended a Noble Relative of his (Sidmouth) from the impu- table of the Noble Lord (Castlereagh), who had ascribed. ID a former .eenitig, a similar motive to him for the teinpiwary preiseseion of the bland of Madeira. as governed His Majesty, :a Ministers in the espedition against Copenhagen.. Mr. FOSTER, jag. r, Member for the University of Dublin.) warmly supported the Escpeditioe te the Baltic. and st.-... aorta in his panegyric of 31ini. ters compared with the oegligence and imbecility of their predecessors. Lord PALMEIik 4 TON followed on the same THE BRITISH PRESS. LON DON . THURSDAY, FESRVALAY We love received a Plymouth letter, whack states, that Sir RICII•ILD ST/44MA): %SS off Ruch fort so late as last Friday, until which time he knew nothing of the escape of the Rockfort squadron. Yesterd■y, about twelve o'clock, Hie M.t.norry carne to town frets Windsor, to the Quren's Pa ' lace, where the Dukes of Vote, KENT, Cullom. LAND, and Sussex, were in readiness to receive SOOll after two **dock Hi, MAJESTY beld a pri• Tate Levee. which wag attended by The Archbishop of Canterbasy the Lord Chancellor ; the Lord Prenatal of the Cumeeil > the Secretaries ut !Ito, fur the Home mad Colunia/ Departments ; the Usaaceller of the Eseheiner ; the Master-General of the Ordnance; the Lord Clessiborlais the Lord Stroud of the Househoid ; the Duo of Moutons ; Earl of Loadooderty ; Lords W. lea thick, St. lidera, HeatbSeld, and Pretty; Sir S. Caetrell; General Ackland; Rev. Doctors Dondeswell and busby; Raw. ISr. Ryder ; Mews. Greoille sad Fawkenser. The following had the honour of being pre. vented to His MAJESTY : Laid William Bedeck, upon his retort from India. The Earl of Loodooderry, by Viseout Castlereagh The Alm Dr. Dierileirs ell, urea les beteg unmated a Caere of Chreedeireh, Word The Rev. 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