The Statesman. — London, England, 1822-06-27 00:00:00

74*.gry foe that was is. a day, an# nothing bad been villtis them for suppivissing Auto. 411111 DAWSON explained. The Marquess of CHAN DOS explained. Mr. BENNET contooded that there was nothing is vidious la the motion of his Hon. Friend. He expressly mated that lie railed for returns with regard to these partitalarVegiments, because it appeared tont they were more expensive them others. ~ . - After afa words from Mr. Mooch, Mr. How, and Mr. Dowetio, the motion was withdrawn, *pea an as .terstaadiag that Me deficiency is polidiMf isfonaotiow is the prompt accounts should be supplied. • COURT Or CHAITIRI. . • Mr. M. A. TAYLOR ieminded the house that when he side a motion on the 'abject he thou rose to resew, last Session, there was a feeling in favour of it on both sides of the house, and it was negatived ealy by a mi. jortly of Illitr. He need scarcely tell the house what ars the evils of a suit in Equity. The expenses of ones a soh were sufficient to rain any moderato fortune. The evils beteg so great it might be asked why they saw on their table no Petitions complaining of them. The home might understood this when he told them that in consequence of the jurisdiction of that branch' of the law bring in the hands of one individual, he am vet yet could prevail on any of the petals aggrieved by delay or otherwise, to allow him to mention their eases. la all thdammytoous applications he had re ceived, however, he had taken the greatest pain to am Derails tbs truth of the allegations. The Hon. Mem ber proceeded to state a case of an individual, who bad Wes left one twenty-eighth Aare of a certain p - neer hoodoo, which was valued at 1,2001. the 1 , share. The property, however, fell into Chancery, mid after twelve years delay, the decree was made, by which this iedividual got OW. out of his 1,200. The Hon./ Gentleman stated other cases of delay and loss, of.whicb I be bed heard, to justify the motion be was about to make, to induce the hones to make some alteration is lee constitution of the ViceXhaocellor's Court, is fel aim of the suitor. In the Reports of the-Conimittees .of Enquiry in Gm years 1811 and 1912 the abaseslki the Chancery Court were so ably expo sed, that a Bill' was brought In for the appointment of a Vice Chancellor. l That Bill was opposed by characters of the first canal derides on both sidesof the house. Amongst others it I was opposed by Sir Samuel Romilly—a man as eminent is his station as any great man of any description ever was in his. Bet he had even the authority of the pre-: sett Vice Chancellor himself against the appoiottneehl The Bill, however, passed the house. as he thought, inl an evil hour, fur it deprived the suitor of the right ;if laving his cause beard by the Great Seal. It was GM business of the Great Seal to adadoistor justice in the cheapest and 'most speedy *isomer. But with all thO talents of Lord Eldon; the'delay in his Court was keen ilid. and the expenses ono a, and that was becalish be was withdraw s from th Coon. The fact was, lig T a m Wit owe of a Statesman t a Judge, and it did harp" that whosoever a case of great intricacy was commear r od ; Le abut kip nom:book, and went away.—(Hear, heart and no, kohl thil 11/aistsrlal Beeches.) lie meant eq reflection on that great and good penmen*, bet IM stated what he befteved to be the case. It was no faultof bit foe he was called away to the Privy Council, or on soak other State business. The consequence of this multi* farMtis duty of this office was, that la eight years angle half be had decided only 53 causes and 167 appeal% • 4che Vine Chancellor had determined 2.300 causes heal tame time, and be asked if this was not withdrawing the Great Seal from the Chancery Court? All tide sivsefrom Mari o g so much harassed with other business. With respect to motions, since the enactment of deo rie• Chaurellor's Bill, the Lord Chancellor had hoard 6,15 the Vice Chancellor had beard 14,360. Now he *limpid like to know how many of these motions before the Chancellor were appeals from the Vire Chancellor; for I. !bow r u.......,_D0rd.. a ht. (Ammo tee. takes *saw up *it , sae\ business. All this was exactly what Sir Samuel Romilly bad foretold. Sir Samuel Romilly had said that the" hearing of Giese appeals upon too. Boas *mild probably take up as mach time as was then dimmed by the Lori Chancellor in the Court. He also said that it would have the effect of increasing the ri peness of the snit, multiplying the number of them, and protracting the decision. in the MOO space of time the Lord Chancellor had heard 39 exceptions and further hearings, *Mist the Vice Cl...acellor had heard 106. In petitions also, where the Lord Chancellor bad heard 4.071, the Vice Chancellor heard 2,302. This was abso lutey withdrawing the Lord Chancellor from his Court. lie seared the Noble Marquess opposite, who, he sup posed. was goiog to oppose him in his motion, that it world be better fur him to sit two months longer in that house than have the anxiety and vexation of a Chan cery soft. He would say no more, but leave it to the good sense of the house to determine upon what he had already stated to them. He would only entreat of them to take into their consideration the case of the unfortu nate suitor, or rather suppliant, who, after being drag ged through all the horror of an equity ordeal, awoke to the worse reality of worsted fortune and ruined pro perty by the merciful decree of the Lord Chancellor.— Fr. .= itch mercy, he said, might the God in heaven de liver them I He now wished to see what had been done by the House of Lords since the passing of the Bill fur nopoiniing the Vice Chancellor. The number of crsonsed of in the first year was 66, in the second 62, in the next 5-1, snit in the yzars which followed, 42,35,27, 41, 12, and 26. This was the stets of things ott the 14111, of May 1622, when there remained in arrear cases already appointed 122, and 36 cases not appointed.— Taking the cases decided in each year on the ge of the last nine years, be found the number disposed of in each year to be thirty-eight. Proceeding at this rate, it would take fonr years to dispose of the cases already in arrear, matt •rs being thus, as the Vice Chancellor's Bill did not all aril tits Lord Chancellor the desired re lief, he would propose to talce from his duties the hear ing of Scotch Appeals, which now occupied so much time; and be wmild also relieve him from Petitions and ACitions, and part of the Bankruptcy business. He tly pressed on the how the importance of giving their most serious attention to the subject, with a view to reise.iy the evils of which he complained. lie had s;oiken on this business with the Lord Chancellor, bar. ing previiiiodv pomponed his motion on a suggestion f-ion th.it Noble and Le3faCii Personage. The Lord Chrncrl'or admitted the east to be one that merited at tontion ; bat said, as he might shortly retire from the Great Seal, as a onager of delicacy lie must leave the subject to be dealt with by his successor. He (Mr. Si. A. Tailor) bad said no young Chancellor could frame a plan an well. . He bad seen the Noble and Learned Earl again about a month ago, and then, as he stated, it was not his intention to originate any plan. Ile (Mr. Si. A. Taylor) informed him be should bring the present ca tion before tire House of Commons. He concluded by moving `• That this house will resolve itself into a Cotta' in,ttee of the whole house, to consider of an Act pissed is the 53d of the late King. entitled an Act to facilitate) the Adiiiiilistratiroi of dealer." Should the motion o hid' lie eau 'mole he carried, the Hon. and Learned congenial; said he .obseqiieutly proposed to mote to limit the duratien of the Bill in question to one or two years. T... ATTORNETGENERALdid Dot see that it was necessary fur the lion. and Learned Gentleman to call fur a Committee to inquire into this subject, as he seemed to have mad- op his 'Mod already as to whirl ought to be done. He could not deny that proceedings in the Court of Chancery were attended with consider able expense; but this was not the 'ground a • Wltich a Committee was called for, but the delay of which the ~~t~t ki THE .STATESMAN.. Hoes. sail Liveried Motions Compinised. The (40s• tad Leonid (tentlessas thought the House ought to interfere to take away one branch of the Court, which. in his judgment, instead of - ridding the busier', con tributed to the delay. .1t had been 'mid that the Lon' Cheapener was more a Stemmas thus a Lawyer, and was frequently withdrawn from the Conn of Utaneeiry to attend Csbinet• Councils. He therefore begged to [ Jay , that the occasions on which the Lord Chancellor was so called away, were extremely rare, and the time thee taken from Chancery was hardly worthy a mo., mest' s consideration. With respect to the exertio n s nede by the Lord Chancellor himself, he begged to any,' that few laden had so little observed what were called holidays as he had. Such days he frequently devoted not to the general hasieess of the Coon, bat to the; hearing of any particular case that might press on him. To judge of what he did, it would he hotter if the a‘ nation of the Hone were directed to the Rtterde Mt i the table. From these it would appear that there was .little appeal. Ho believed it would be found that se cause stood for a bearing which had been set down antairieg. to the last term. He believed such to be the fact. VIP appeals from the Vice Chancellor's Court, were Jerald. in poise of numbers, but not more so m a might be expected from the sonsher of !eases there disposed of. Bat this it was oemplaieed, introduced II new practice is appeals on motion. It was, how be remembered, that hearing thee* appeals, in many of the ceases themselves were heard and disponi! of; and, after all, these appeals were in fart BOWS than re-hearings of the cause which die Skit.' would ' aright to demand, if Os case bad been disposed of Lord Chancellor himself. The Hoe. and Learne4 bad made a comparison between the business die of be the Lord Chancellor and the Vice-Chancellor, a put it as it the former bad sat at home at his eau sine, the appointment( of the Vice-Chancellor. Bat it should be recollected in the first instance that the LoniChash r eallor beard Appeals in the House of Lords three dare is the week. Thin, of coarse, left him but half the tine for the Court of Chancery, which the Vice.Chancellse could give to his Court, and thea it was well km's* that most of the cans brought before the Lord Chemed+ for were argued at F rest length, while many of dm. taken before the lice-Chancellor were not litigated.' He would state shat the Lord Chancellor had dose in 1821. He had disposed of 410 motions. 8 causes, 6 ex ceptions (the majority of the,motions it shoal& be stated were causes), 5 pleas and demurrers, 57 partnerships., 1113 bankrupt aid, 246 lunatic petitions, sad ie all 899 different matter...had tome before him. le 1820 the number was stiU greeter, being 1015„ and is 1819 it was 1111. The Learned Gentlemen referred to 1814. HI 1 (the Attorneptieseral)' dill not wish to avoid that year, but he had sot the returns at hand. In that year he believed the ',melees were more numerous, and that it somber of baaknupt petitions considerably greater Indi bees disposed of. What he had stated must prove tbal the Lord Chancellor had not withdrawn himself fru.; the latialllSS, of Chancery on the appointment of a Vice- Chancellor. He was much surprised to hear it said that the appolatmest of a Vice-Chancellor had not teadedi to the greater dispatch of basis's& The number of appeals dirpeeed of in the Hoses of Lords is the Me years before the appointment of a Vio.Chancellor ems. 11$. In the tea years subsequent to his appoistmestldse ten years was sot yet completed). the somber dlepsead' of was fear hundred and fifty-one. The Leaned less-, timings referred to the few appeals disposed of is 18211•-:- It was to be remembered how itnponant the subjects. brought forward in that year. The. Qeeensktry. Hem' Bench, and Roxburgh cases , were thee under' topsider ation t and also the 'titrathinue Peen**. The appeals front Scott...id took up much time, and be agreed with, he Hon. Gentleman, that if these isoutioned, each as _gory had been of late, some particular measure with eel sect to them might be noceasary. Witt. -respect to•loo static Petitions, toere was Os sneer. la the Cassis there ; Was no arrear; and in the Bankrupt Petitions there was se arrear. It was only with respect to the Appeals that. say arrear was to be complained of. The question now before the house was this :—Had such a cue bees wade nut as called for interference on their part ? He thus - •ght no such cue bad been made out Last year the Learned tilentleman hail suhtnitted a plan to the house different from that which he now offered, and he expected future years would produce new plans from the same quarter. Ile thought he would do better to bring It forward in a regular form at once, than to go on thus from year to year, varying in his suggestions. Last year the Learned Genilewan proposed that the Lord Chancellor should not sit in Chancery at all, except on very special occasions. This plan not hawing wee with the approbation of the house, he now wished to get rid of the 'Vice-Chancellor, whose assistance had greatly di minished the f business. The house had before them the business which had been disposed of by the Lord Chancellor. He knew that complaints had been raised against that Noble and Learned Earl, on accusal of delay. It was not for him to apologise for the con duct of the Lord Chancellor, but it was well known to every one who practised in that Court. that the delay grew out of anxiety to avoid doing injustice to his de cisions, and he concurred with the Noble Earl, in think ing that an incorrect decision would be productive of more inconvenience titan resulted even trims delay.— Upon the whole, as he was of opinion that no csse laud been made out fur interfering with the Court of Chan cery, he for one should give his opposition to the motion of the Hon. and Learned Gentleman. Mr. WILLIAMS said nothing could Ise more certain than that no disrespect bad been intended towards the Lord Chancellor in bringing this - subject forward. He should not add to the authorised panegyrics which had been pronounced 011 that very learned personage : first, because it was unnecessary; sod, secondly, became when he had most frequent opportunities of witnessing the exertions of his talents hie had the pain to see him is that most ambigions situation, in which he united the • • ncilable characters of prosecutor and judge. bla , proceeded to compare the proceedings in the Court of Chancery. and in the Vice-Chancellor's Court. In the latter, of late years, the bankrupt petitions disposed of were about two to one, es compared with the numberde cided upon in the other Court, while the tenses decided by the Vice-Chancellor were in the proportion of ten to one. The establishment of the Vice-Chancellor's Coen had introduced an injurious practice, which had not be fore been known in the appeals on motions. The resell of this was, that there were GI appeals at thi•tuumeee. He should most decidedly vote for the motiou of his Hon. Friend. Mr. H. TWISS said, that all the reasons now advanc ed against the Vice-Chancellor's Bill had been antici pated at the time 1111011 that Bill was first brought for ward, but which were not then cosiaiiiered powerful enough to prevent the house from adopting it. He ron• tended that it wits f.lse ice erenment to in% that by liir return before them, the Lord Chancellor hail only dis posed of 53 tallllllll In a yelor. There were other matters which might properly he called causes. Since the co-c Lion of the Vire-Chanrellor's Coutt, the entire number of matters disposed of by the Lord ClMlleellOr was 11,3911. and those disposed of before the Vice-CliAtivel lor, 17,b111. i;pon the first day of the present year there remained in mutters; and in that of the Lord-Cliartertlor's, 111. 01 these, the number of closes amounted to the overwhelm ing multitude at two. The appointment et the Vice- Chancellor's Ceiba hail reauceil the aree.ir tot t a mes Its ten than ball. He therefore 1,4 W no reason for carry, lag this restless activity of chance, so pinch the rage u 1 the day, is:o the highest courts of law in the realm.— (Illear)-11Y i great judge they wire Dot ;sly to look at the number et causes dismissed within a year ; they were to Josh also to the, ff-ct of his judgments in the way of precedent upon the (mare administration of the laws.—(Hear, hear.)—He would venture to say, that whelk the decisions of the present Lord High Chest-eh for were coesulted by future lawyers, they would be fogad to carry will. them commentaries upon the ques tions which they embraced that would remelts the great est osonoments if legal learning and of legal eaderstaind 1111F—(Cheers.)-11e confessed that there was one of the Coerces of complaint wlsich undoubtedly did exist. Tote very high confidence and veneration with which the Nuetry looked up to the talents of the present holder of Act tireat Seal induced a general wish to have his judg westupon all CRUM sad from that feeling there was unquestionably a larger proportion of Appeals. Tbst was an evil of such a nature, that he earnestly hoped it would be long,, very long, before it was removed.— (Hear, bear.) Mr. M. A. TAYLOR replied, and the House di vide*. Per the Motion, 51 ;—Against it, 1119;—Majority agsisst it. 57. IMION BILL. CRERVET rose to submit his motion to the hoes. upon the subject of the Bill of 1817, for granting Pensions to State Officers, which was brought in by the Hoe. Member for Corte Castle. After referring to wine- thing which had fallen from the Noble Marquess or ,posite relative to this subject upon a former nonunion, 'he stated that be was so sansfied of the uoparliamestery nature and the iniquity of the Bill, that he should we lds!, divide the hoses upon it on the present occasion. Re *rood with the Noble Lord, that he was sot 'dirty any his motion, but be felt that his allies were ase•pahlic opinion, and the publicity of their de. belie, and he should, therefore, let the country see what the true character of this Bill was. With this view he should not now move its repeal, but place npon the Journals a set of resolutions, declaring his sentiments upon the whole business. n. first reso lution was, that it appeared to the house, that by an Act of the fifty-armed) year of his late Majesty, a sum of forty-two thousand pounds per annum was charged in perpetuity upon the Consolidated Fund for the• payment of pensions to particular persons bolding particular offices in the state. The resolution went on to describe the ministers and officers entitled to these pensions by the Act of Parliament, after a service of two years. Our Chief Justices were aot entitled to pensions until they had served fifteen years. Bat these which were made by the persons for themselves were to become doe after a service of two years. The second aid third resolutions were declaratory of the right of the Crown to reward meritorious officers, sod the Infriagement of that right by the ietroductioa of the above Bill upon the recom mendation of a Select Committee, composed of the per sons themselves. This Select Committee was appointed in 1817, a time of great public distress, to examine into the state of the Finances with a view to relieve the ow• pie of some of their henbane. Its first Report created these new pensioners, and left the Crown nothing hut its Veto in the last resort, Instead of its right to past each passion. Upon • late ecessioa wises a motion was made upon the subject doer Am bassadors at Fo reign Courts, the Noble Marquess refused a Committee, mid said be would never set his foot late one, because it would disvigour the Monarchy. Bonsai it would dis vigour the Menarchy—(A laugh.) Disvigoared the Monarchy it was; a term betortainly never should have made use of himself.—(A laugh.) But be would tell the Noble Lord that this Act had not only disvigoured the Monarchy, bat disgraced that house and defrauded the public. Tfie wet resolution went to affirm that there was No precedent for such a measure. in 1;52, when the King sent a message to the house to make an arrangement for hie income, aid k••• up his existing rights, there was nothing said of soy pensions for his Ministers. The debt too was then 200,000,1/001., and sow it was become 000,000,0004 the Ministers and the' Soar Member for Corfe Castle came down to maks this list of pensions fur themselves. He did not mean to move the repeal of this Act at present, bet the reale tions pledged the hove* to take the matter into its con sideration early in the meet Session. The fifth resolu tion declared this to be a compact between the pensioa era and the public, by which the latter had to pay them this money without any compensation. The ilunourable, Member for Code Castle bad told him, that he voted for a similar Bill to this in the year 1812. Ile found this to be tree, and he had the more reason to be ashamed of it, now he found such a monstrous abuse of the principle. The relief afforded by this measure only extended to the abolition of two offices in Eng land, whose salaries amounted to SRN. In Scotland and Ireland there were other offices which bad fallci in, and the entire saving was 4,60`21. Ws. Upon the 3410/. saved in England Load Sidinouth bad received • pension of 3,011 W. The sixth resolution went to record these facts. His °Nei t was to place this upon the Jour nals, iu order to let the people see the nature of their contract with the pensioners. The seventh resolution was declaratory of the opinion of the House, that if the offices before alluded to hail become vacant without the existence of the Bill, anti the Crown could bare had the appointments, it would not hare given the pension of 3,0001. to Lord Viscount Sidmouth. It appeared that iu Lord Si:lmonth was in office, and then lie made his son Clerk of the Pens with a salary of Not contented with this the Noble Lord for some sup-i posed loss which he might hereafter sustain, was to te• ceive another pension of 3,01101. There certainly never was a more romantic situation than that in which Lord Silmouth stood. Ile did not mean to go out of kis way to say any thing disrespectful of Lord Sidmoistle, but be apprehended that lie o 0u , .1 not till a more iinportaut part to history than some of his predecessors iu office. For instance, he would say ford Chatham; and that Noble Lord had but one pension from the King. He 41 not see, therefore, why Lord Sidemoth WWI to have two. 'floe last resolution stated the opinion of the House, that the interference of a Committee of that House with the granting of :embers was an interfer- POCC with the just prerogative of the Crown, an abuse of the power entwined to them by the Cootitution, soil a heavy grievance to the people. Ile would again say that his object wirs to put these farts before the public, and sooner or later that Bill would he removed bum the Statute Book. He concluded by moving the tirst Resolution. The Resolution bring put from the Chair, Mr. BANK RS sail, he was not sorry the lion. Mem ber had brought the subject before the house, heratiar it would give him an opportunity of explaining the views of the Committee which reemumendel the Bill. The principle of the Bill was to abolish every office with ou t duty. The Hon. Gentleman said, the priori pie was nor one %thief, ought to lie snip 'rte.!, anti that it w a d e . ;torture from theprinciple of lir. Burke's hat great wan held that it would not lie itijitrims to the Constitution, it the government were allow eil to tempt great talent.' into the publics wviee. he the means of giving certain oitces ass remutierat l on. The Committee of ebielt lie was Chairmaii, when they co.i.idereil the measure then In-fore the I e, were %Olin : : to alopt the principle which allowed sinecures to he •oveo for public services. but they found it had hems al. ised, a n d they could not concur with Mr. Burke in his view 01 the subject. They resolved to abolish sinecitres, and they recominenle.l the Sovereign to rewar:l service u ills pensions rather than oftiees. It was iwpossihle hr cottil support the motion. It the Bill was repealea matters would return to what they were before. IN time repeal of the Bill sinecures must t crive. The offi:ts tt• t. Wood in Mr. norhe's Bill had been abolished ; but with respect to offices held for life, that was a species of nperty wh ich could cot be set at nought. Mach had said with respect to a pension granted to hit Nike Friend, but be would appeal to the house ode ther. as conduct of his Noble Friend, while he fin e d t h e Ch a i r of that house, was not ad m i re d. —He was convinced, no man ever received mor e respect sad gratitude fee public services. It was bat reasonable to reward the Noble Lord for a loug end h i , bi ll ions politic life. - -(hear.)—lie could not consist t o repeal the Bill, sad thereby deprive the Crows 111 th e prerogative of remoaerating public men. The best per . repave of the Crown was that which made them amb er , of the benefits conferred on meritorious public 'errant.. If ever they took that prerogatire out of the hands e f the Crown it would not only be unconstitutional, b et oceasioa a burden MOT! Oarrlrsa than the ponsiona. n ,. Hom'llleattwr concluded bvpoving. as MI menthe's:, that the house proceed to the other orders of the der. Mr. H. 41. BENNET supported the 'motion, jaded to the Bill. on the groom! that it had ran a k . swered theespectation of the public. Instead of bei ng . the efabolishing sinecures, it had enabled 31i. Meters to reward their political adherents. With retprd to the Noble Lord who had been Secretary for the Hoc, Department, he was no more fit to be 31inistar of are country. than one ot the door-keepers. The Hsu. bee also brought in the Hill had been a great reformer is small things, became little sariag had been the rend: of his labouss. Mr. HAHNE.% in explanation, said, there was t paper en the table, which painted oat a saving produced tattle public by himself and others, which eaceeeded any re. for. made by the Hoe. Oeutletnae and all his trienala. Itlist the mese time proved the falsehood otitis asserien. , The Goomodttee in which he once sat had been tke some of savieg to the country more than 200,0004 Mr. az.NNE:r said. in reply. be paid back the full complimisat paid by the Hoe. Member is the term false , hoed. The Marquess of LONDONDERRY could not avoid repelling with indignation some of the statements he bed beard from the Hon. Dentlemon who intredacol motion and the Hon. Member for Shrewsbury. lie had never listened in an assembly of Englishmen is senti ments so revolting to the g I feeling of the h..se. Toe Hon. Member *aid he could only Gad disgust aid corroptios in the operation of the Bill. Mr. Burke bad recommended the retention of offices as the means of re warding merit, Lett it seemed those others had bee. abased is the application, anti the Bill which the beam was called upon to repeal, was introduced. The Hes. Member had represented the Bill u accomplishing all the work of corruption, and then had lavished all the malevoleoce of bis mind against his Noble Friend the late Secretary of State. The Noble Marquees was sot surprised the Hon. Member would his No ble Friend for his conseiestionf service to the metre. During the most difficult period of our history that No ble Lord protected the country and summated the danger. He knew his Noble Friend never mild be for given by the lion. Gentleman, because he made them feel what the hand of Government was able to do. His Noble Friend had been meotioned in the most &wast ing m , and treated worse than a doer-keeper el the bows*. The Hon. Member must hare known hie Noble Friend did not leave the ebair from any wish of his own. He was induced to take a part in the tieverosseat from a seam of public duty. His Noble Friend bad bees compared with Pitt and Fox, hot it was no disparage ment not to rise to the talents of those great statuoien; but his Noble Friend had given splendid pr of his great ability. The question of the peace of. Andel.. and the subsequent triumph of the country might be at tributed to the wise measures of his Noble Freud. The very year after the peace of Atoka* he provided twelve millions for the public envie*. The eseelkid 1111• misistration of his Noble Friend greatly centrthnted to raise the triumph of the counter. The Hon! Hen demon had end ed to wound his Noble Friend is a quarter which all who knew hi:n wonlel say was im pregnable. No personal loterest had ever interfered with his Noble Friend's dam When he left the Chair of that horse, which lie filled twelve or thirties years. nothing coold induce him to look at his private inter . est. His Majesty was recommend...l to grant him a.pei , vision comes e AAAA te to his services, but his Noble ?need peremptorily insisted that no provision whatever should be made fur bins while be was engaged in the hazardous affairs of the country. The King had issued his oem minds fur a Message to be Isronght do•rn to that beer tureward the services of his Noble Friend as Speaker of the house; bat his Noble Friend had desired that it might nut be done. The Hun. NI enther (Mr. Creesey) for purposes best known to himself, 1.1 , 1 referred to a paper on the table which recalled the *Miming domestic circumstances in the family of his Noble Friend, alu though in his (the Marquess's) opinion there was sot the slightest necessity for such a recurrence with any view to the lion. Member's ar.:timent. His Noble Friend had tilled the offices of Speaker, Prime Minister, sod S.Tretary of State, the latter in a period of ten of the most critical sears in the history of the country. And this was the individual who was to be grudged the re ward of his !slug services; and in respect of whom a charge was to be brought against the urowi for doing that which it bail been empowered to .1. by Parliameet. —(Hear, hear, hear')—He really felt that be was alms lag the patience of the house in enlarging upon inch a subject ; but lie could nut with tui;isfaction to his fielitu.s se a 6entlentan, refrain from itais noticing the speech of the Hon. Member for Slir,wsbore ; a speech he be lieved to he the most disgusting and disgrace's! ever ut tered within time walls of an Eng nail Parliautet.—(Clean from the Treasury benches.) Mr.BKOCtiIIAM said he ruse to protest *pi tvt the :one of the Noble Marquess.—(lfc.ir, hear, from the Oyposi i tion.)—To protest against his or any Minister ut the Crown daring to use the language he had just uttered. I —[Lund cheers from the Opposition, accompanied by cries of •` chair," from seversl i,arts of the house. Here some confusion took ulare. hot at I •ngtti] Mariptesa of l-ONIWNDERRI rose to order. When,-lie said, an Hun. Meruhar *l.ottglit proper lo ap ply the word ••• dare" to his (th • M iriitess lie was bound to 'appose that li•in. Member most nosso that he hail gone neyood the limits of parliament• arc debate. On this supposition he so:tun:tied that it %%as the deny of the lion. and learned lieottentas to take exception to his languagc the moment it was ut tered, and to wove that his w nrda alionld be taken ihrani. tie b , ggetl to apply for the detision of the Chair on t!,e point. The SPF.AKF.R said, if t!:e word .• dare" had been •tionl in the senss a: tributed to it hr the Nolde Slefilum% it undoubtedly was liiglely ule Lad, lout ever. frequently beard the expr-ssion , IbC4 in par ld a area • try debate, stud not .:!jaded !it. lis 11.111're41 the /lOW :114 he bad absays con-idered its iligt:ity to he heat car • stilted hy forbearing to lodic, every expre-oian which otig tut escape in the 61.44 of .'etate not strictly within Sir TAP. ' this had ititio-r u se. !.i• e c••ilinct. when i.e r. frail red Frain partiettlatif warm expres sions which passed between the !!on. .!!rusher for Curie eistle 1 1 ..inkes) and the lion. Menthes (Jr Shrew s • (A r. Bennet) BItort:HAM resnmcd. Ile wits quite satisfid 1;i t every Ludy who heard and was not like its Marort..,trarrirol swat 11 the heat of the ,mist have tinders:mid him ice the w-ry timer it sppeaod 'lr.. as itiPle"ti.U'l l •vthe Chair. Ile had he a rd the .ression in quests o f itplie.f. he do:tight, howled , a ' im ps . lie had often applied it himself and it had mou • uefore been Laken up. 11: tepeAtril Lis protest ag:i!•%l -T ado rets Mt Nod is d MN "I wain lie b he e :ter dery that aPP timi the who mem rM Ile 4 IMOS 60 1 IM T title ii.« is Ur lad I gl il :1 ,~ M'l t .sera Seal thee