The Statesman. — London, England, 1810-06-02 00:00:00

neral conduct of Ministers, from whom ho could not, he said, expect the support of any tolerant or wise proposition, the Hoe. Gentleman appeatinl; in terms of peculiar animation, - to the good tense and justice of the Ilouse. He conjured it to . 0011 t eider the general state of the empire—the nodosity that called for the union of all onr people: 110 deprecated the idea of saffe!ing bigotry to , cut the sinews of our strength. pear ? hear !j l Wliatevek the motives of those by whom the laws, referred tit by the motion, were originally euatted, it was evi.. dent that those motives no longer existed. "You;" said the Hon. Member, "are now called upon to re. dress wrongs which you had no concern in crest. ing—to heal wounds Which you have not bad the misfortune to inflict. But if you decline to at. tend to the call, with what justice, let me ask you, can you arraign the conduct of. Bonaparte towards any of the nations whom be has subdued. Recollect what facilitated hiskonquests-74hat rendered the people indifferent to, if not *anxious . for, a change of Governments—and weigh well i p, before it is too late, the consequences of Wilda/ justice to Ireland. [ Hear, hour! ] Posterity will, in fact, look bac k With astonishment at yank infatuation—will wonder at the discussion which now engages you. Will yen leant nothing front the desulation that surrounds you ?" Peat, hear !3 .• • Mr. O'HARA was sorry that a sense of duty obliged lust to differ on this occasion from many Gentlemen whom he much respected, and partieu. tarty from the distinguished Member for Dublin (Mr. Grattan), with whom he generally con. comedy built in Ireland and here. As to tbe pledge so ON!' said to' have been given tfi the Ca. tholies it the period of the Unions how came -it ghat the leadets of that Body were among this OP,• ponents of that measure ?, Fur hit part, he. was , s friend to the Catholics to a ettsin extent. 'He. would hare Wee' glad, if its the year 17613, the lictith had been opened to them. He saw nu reason why they should Iseietcluded from any ja-. dicial office. but that of Chaticelliii. Ile could not, however, agree to the introdection of the Cathohei into the Legislature, or to any other grant to them which appeared to hilts inconsistent with the safety of the Constitution and the Fri). testaut redablishment. The Honourable Gentle man concluded with expressing a wish to know how the Lugloth Members felt upon the change whil'h this'mution had in view ? The Marquis of TA VISTOCK spoke with great force aiml neatness for going lute a Gum. inittee, to .consider whether it would-be wise and politic to concede to the Catholics. Let not .the Catholic (l o lly have it to say that you,hata rejeetett their petition, and sent them from *User Bar with' supereilitous diadain. pear! heart' Nee .apwtiil at least ask the Catholics what -poems they-Jitter %silting to euliCede in support of the Proteetrie li.tablishment. The perpetually repeating fib*. lions that this was nut the proper time, in edict shut the dour against all polities! impeUeement,, and was au argument as dangerona..os it; 114. tore and telithitry were hidefiuite. kV* the wise phieini of Lord Bacon,-".that time wet die greatest oE all ionovators but, if we refusal, year drew year, to litten to the prayers of fouredilinus of -deer fellow subjeati, tho consequeuces ottight eventually be such as he did not wish to Mice.; pate. Were that the 'case, we should no Inliger have to lament that Ireland was the vulnerable part of the empire. His Lordship entreated eke House, for God's take, to look to it. He aista. to the discusiitm of this question with feelings' of the most sincere loyalty to Sovereign, and without any ' degree of 'animosity agailiet his Ministers.- " Let es,"- said his Lurfiship, 66 go into the Committee. Conciliation will be your strength, anti the affectioni of the people your best defence and bulwark." [Loud gad repeated 6pplauses.l Cul. TAIBQT . reprobated the idea, -sow that the whole Continent WAS against us, of leaving to Bouaparte a vuln'erable point in Ireland,Where we alight be attacked. By admitting the Catholit People of Ireland to a communityr of righltwith If's, we have been enabled to send 100,006 Of that nation to Spain, where, as -beteg 'of. maid 'religion, and, as they supposed, springing from the same stock, they would hateheen More . gratefully received thee any other -assistance we Could have offered, anti thus might we have given an effectual check to the successes of Bonaparte; whereas, could quitaparte have dictated to our Government the lieu. of conduct they ought to paistie, be could not have devised one snore suit. ud to his interclts and, wishes, than a. coatinuance • of the present system as to Ireland. Mr.- BARNiIRD could not ag ree to the Ca. tholic demands, unless the controul of the Crown over the norifination of their Bishops was. eon. ceded. The most effectual relief to Mr Catholics of Ireland; he Maintaiued, wuutd belouadju a refurtn of the Tythe Laws. Mr. PARNELL couteuded, tbat'lt was of the esseoce of the Constitution, that in imparting it we acquired the greater security to it. • In proof of this, he instanced Wales, which was at constant hostility with England, till fifteeu statutes passed to restrain it had been repealed, immediately -after which security SOSO the coq. sequence. Mr. BARHAM tleclared that to bis coneeptio l i ti ti the clairras of the Roissan Catholics, both of t country and of behind, stood on the Most s hy solate and indefeasible right. Ile • preteeded Itas. s'aew, that Catholic Emancipation - had received' the snpperit of the greatest men of an partfr:in the kingdom;' among tht4e he *night itentiou'Wr.4 Fox, M. Pitt, and another great' Man, Who, `lle was sorry -10`think, might now be no mote; hit, whose authority, in that Him, would bo rueeived with respect (Mr. Windham)...[lieferi heir!) . Mr. OUNDAS asked the Rigid Irlonourahls Gentleman, did hi concur With herd Greseille ler thinking that discussion at the racist pellet would rather injure thati fronsoth the object Of the Catholic claims ? Didhe agree Witb.the quis of Lansdowne au Earl Grey hi that op ..' nion ? If Ise did, why ditl he act Mali* ttf and if he diet not, he must perdos Nero fur ferring the unitedafflhotilitie Of tkeeeil!ibble Pea" to that of dtslt ht:sos. Ge 1 4 1 , 1 0 0. . TR Z STATESMAN. the We i ,Tied _ atiatrwit. ;14notilthinholiliii, liftiWttli . 7 1%. 4.pitint t - he Make (did.lsesia lelinied. :•.Itow •cotild • aisid;sl4,-idu Ski alioutie had rejected the perinea?„„Titg Ididamitsi, ay. ast have been one ofthp H00..G1M14411101 IP° 'llithstdr- - •'-a ibitta4dtatision. 'liiiittilieed In ti,nt approval signified by that 11 on. Gen tieevan'iiir ?MA i Grenville's opinisit,htlitctbat case, if they bad nolta :Ili vfitetht the ptektettt aidailbet, the?Vtist . be alt. 1 tilled *kb haelogl hie Cottseiiarte.4 - -ffe bad :belj . ..eaked what be would propose lot the Cowstaieeeert-_ 'Would propos, to Ili to •considgulaettocuotlai to-andVe the donseita tionitnitioih and aowieneet titat theisithitO i 1 Cathotttei bitb, i Ottilnie the .' .frikiiitaittfeei. therblienel rho ;trey ‘'tb n no aeratitt, liedtat silk A Right Hoe. •Cottittimates satin4ite; PAtpletit,egoinst the motion , wag, tbakilto,Catleoliel - would nut be saiiified with civil libertk Itqrsr• - la' I. wo u ld' demand ' Chest kiented" to' their* ; at mot*, itit'- teilestastieit istitbliihnients.' i'lhis• did " - ' Right Honourable Gentleman• gloi lie aldose ma . this , so bjvct—esidentee, , not - , u r‘to ..inittvit . of, fot,. but of opinion . ; and. about it iiitli whom be was Unaequeintsd. illear,"1: 11 '.1 ,' Upeni - dal evidence, arid. another opinion ?Why "Md also'fortned,: that' the Catholics ' were . tetiatt.. tabs of Church power, • ita wouldloand Abe di.i. Bali cation of five millions of, his fellow subjmds. Al tar their tenationsneas of Church power, that • • was ptetty g enerally inipbteir to' .411' Churchmen; bet' the B,ight - flon. :Gentleman . therefurn earn the ,Bishbist4ut '0 the Ileiemet Lord* 114. fnxby cattail, were tiec,aved of Maietaiailivitepub.: Bean prinvikiles—were,thardluct to be degraded 1' Would he t#ke the 510 . tir i ga a different sects as to '.each Oittek'aiiiftietu 1 1 ,414 lie Viditittiatilli fibs 2 'Lei abith'ioliti l ie? PeliiiiL l Al iiekt4 Sind 'li temoVeileing ittitiilUi 'eniatilf7Or ii toAaue to &Wt. Otkflasilibif eiritkin't l if rho ltjfiabseititta t i of power, were an ex amltt of nitfiffrititin, hithrlity, and tesisnatietrto ",eittiotieVr - iumstauces. Such Al An 4 deftells thlk, iiiilb Pibpiieey for 'slid fu... tote; and; tiom'ektieetitifite# -. iiiikit *is* coatis. • 6y . a* evihrtaletgl i fttiud4iiaiilliaiiitikotlitis bit thatt:tatatil t derit;' iii. -410 0)ly iiireicit to make laws as thcii fears - . ut%Olignitt.. l'ltcy ought totriifite!fitettis jiiitieirikitlbit time. 4 04 littriore *them ft 'Manta ' 'be' :•iiiid- , A te' t "but skillot the Ugh OHM hat . .pritii4es gvented to tints, they were not satitfieif :' their wante'dinete, sad . .. same would again.bo the case. 'this did not 4 low. They were disntiified; because ibey4rot only ha4t, 1)1 , 14 , 11(.0 ;'but sire Atom the . psiticiperinti:'Of , whole civil . Ito yr eri. dud'it'WOdld 'not toisittheit! _ ..thilipea that they ifidaid ilia *quire . * - .C#l* . Escabliehmeni* He ihett adverted ' - t 4. o - the. . lleri . Of . Catholics in thb inititi tint ohVy. ' T i fielroie., 'iiiercise of their relYgtots'Aeas admitted ted• chili': .reitlistnient. liut,'l4ys AtKciiisttiVitpirileiti , ink. Seijeant is a t!eiterStaltiiiistillislit.thertt's! Minister. • ' Ile has Suvr . e.llll4ootiMitit.''afft k divinity. Ile jits'thi :raliktstre' „,tiiilvt ' 'the cheerful sound of 'the jffe' hair ‘ . : 'thtif exciting national defentler64loe:'•' ',' 'l,. .1 policy the scruples' 0)' 'a' s corii • ..'• ' :Li ,' .ks .. i the polemical disquisitions asEnortne'. Fero, tu ' then adverted to the. ilinments . attilitOed by .Sir , ' W. Scott, and the 'aectilattoit ; lkiiiitaChlisvadlf, of having said the .Gortirtimant Itiore#' 06e. to, legislate where religion was concelini l lehllialt . ill , between God and fhb Italian' bdiiies'otralFtec. science. He did 'soy, that the State. )oil 'S tight to make laws fur Heaven. They hid deright:te regulate the motions of the heavenly bailie, 'or declare, by law', nit stilt, square of "tlii byitothe. stem of a right.anigled iiil . lir wee Anal' to`the scin,itiet of the tither slilol.. ..tfirl ; liqreityati these litc-' the oho -- - 1 dell, ` - the ;ERALD, in atsalotraitspanch, That if they had agreed to the Catholic Petitions ice of tile-Ca Claims. lie 10., 11101 1 ,in 1119N t s,:ts .‘ in lag& . tliei ithrpiceßifir~iiiir s ids itairitigitattreired llit - ' 1011.06T . ' - 'IIAEh id .10 i the *lttfi; bHi bittbreil huh 'iriot-iirefulial l ' fi ttlfie li Of iSd i IN/4,4* a ponwtheltotoan Catholic Prelaci' ilideedi•thernilghblivale ttesej bets/ Mr% neryllll# Kinaffterteirilltite tlrereilidisiectif benne mom prroirrinhit; Ale imputed the. done la ' (ilf "lc sebti); , ittio - voila. of senticocnt t : pu.Slipeetihr i i, of , %ht ret of wo ol s 'lightened entithlitse tirth e etty. th e fAthol . ips, to . the yritigp 'w.l o ckluo .4,41 jb' robigebbbe hb %theihdhe due . lb AMIN', ly tiecillitie I* MIA* 'the stain*. —Ata • I • I I DR. MILNER. 41040045 es babOatiF.: NitigUlPPOubie• a Ai• easiest of , tbe • • whit* vas irrietim 'sk Aitlet free Nam% ago wee darosittaiftsilmirak. VAAANicrios . , cufily,L.:llo6i • •4 4 2 445 sr ‘,. ' _ against ~ on _ i,. aad say that he ores totally_ mistaken .he , i tyrany .word helfittpuiod to him, ( AlLf. Geotten)c ,e the ,brit • &brag epos 014-stigmino. Ma -bonclodedt by observing, what 4 Use 414,10 ,if ,19,111: coltptiy, Wgatid . bet ,61ZO OP; Petiti 6 4? 4 4' 1 410 • IP!' 4 4 40 *tat pi. Inefilvoitid Wow All , II 1 connettga awl comottoicedOe_. siltig , w page, , where cardinal, ;Fos* lip t alker . pros+ • ,Bijee. 1 Plitc), egglit WeßaliPeiilit ifiehililAtAi And. se remedy ellif!, ehllATtioisiltmepeniudej or, -1, ether, wordst itufillefilir RlORrat 4 4.-. litali4stiolics fr* their ova Gov.rwtsiva• , Wl* wev•a,shaerii, *OA the bare mention OA ...Its , . 00 SlCklot, ~ to *Op date its • folly. WO 0 1 00. 0 17 k .il Ag i r tiktir gq tbOt idd Siot 1**4111291i1: Mid If,, titer:, fp, s go into tho , Coutmluos, . 1;0.44* litaqii*Ntra*P i y see the fully, ttwforipts, . the: *kW" a( Stellti . A.d, 'ion, and ikerr(te: iMg tro# beArr t of*,.s rail t Oldie Orpliegio to neatyldileta l Obir4, at Ws a a. La -, bestow as 4 Iwo. . _ • tiring - EDITOR OF Tllll STATE.4%fitlif. • ,Ipp s - .7 Sinou I wrote to you yesterday, I find ttt.94,4 1 .t.. With which A have been long three. hip9A . imalmes loot. The Ilagbt Hoo. Mr. Pox. pus*. Itat Rublished the Igetest Bich I sent to him, OW Aitypemersittion.lte . itpstoured me with, on . S I 4,r.IMITS * l O 04, 4 1t1996 . :,,, A. presume it le aces'. mis t ~.ectia. e p A t uras. 4 .l4.fettrom.coosiderieg it in Itir light !o thfch be is pleased to represent it, that • Ltd epi eelowel: as ..take a copy of it. White. ,t:e . : . ...kse.az-thirit`of: the publication itself of a psi. -rfle9eofidemtiel trete, f am pot, upon the whole, sprrititeklt i kas,taken place,. beeeetio now that I !WOLK !ohs 4 1., em satisfied .it will, j "sift me le the adult of Ipeprei c and sensible men. from the ablo : quy which *bow beeped-upon me. . I Irks/ 1 .44a, I appeal to seen of same whether I• Oki note•appears,, upon the face of it, to be a de. liberate, digested project - for a new artsagemeneof .ecclesiastical diseiphise, such .as e persoeovenof my Memo abilities was likely to base drawn ep, • had he- emteetoined s seepirdoe. that it itss -tote made the ground-siva Of ..ti 'ohmd proposal is.the Senate ofllie Nation ? -bowl! net*htlser, Appear, from the eature-of its coitteots t tobe-wloose eda. fulsotiel memoraediim, ealeulated -only to.' meet ihireittor.Mitkmal., and to* Understood .in tum. jnoction.with the convenattoo whicfrpreeeded it ? Secondly, does it appear,. from this note, - that Ike leriter ef it was sensible that the opinion which lie expressed with retaliate to the Catholic ilishoprof , Ireland was to be made the basis of a legislative , arrapgerneot ? Dbes the writer pledge himself fur their consent ? Does he intimate that be cearnsis. Hotted any person to use such leagues. as .this : ". The Catholics imee'datermined to alike ;their 66 mtperior Clergy subject W the Crown."..-" The 44 Bishops, have agreed," &c. !* ' Sit far from this, it appears, from the concluding lines of . this very note, ithat both the writer and his correspedd. cot •were - is anxious .expectation of; an • terrier-to the 46 elienitailoo (which ha was to have). with 66 the 'Bishops sio :thole:portant subject of .04. " 6 tins& ••presenttuions." Thirdly, does it. ap. , petrfrom the•note* that the writer-had authorised alp following litstemout : 66 Whets a Cathdlie .!‘" Bishop Am p the other - Bisdpeps Oat npen-three 64 ..persons .100111 they think the . most it: to sec. 66 eeed. thr110.::1167 *ad 6 ass names -to the Pope, " ike.. No, -thetbafa agreed; •when the nadses " . are returned, to send the" to the. Lord Lieu. - ..trmaat,.liad...g . his should tibiae .te all three, : . theyitOts , tkeas - one, nod sePd• other three, ,, • .11r.e. ? , oe. 'tbw.asintrary,' ices it,not appear, on die face*:tia No* ' that only one 'name 'Was to be trankidtted at a *MU?. Thuls a most import. set diirriitisee, according to the Catholic. code •of diseledlitt. • ... • • . - • •' True it is, that theists notahy limitation, as to ilsimitatior of siege neatest 'iultialritilght be ntga. 401; eipreised int this bitty mite ; ' bits it was. dn. detittiod . betiaenthe partite' that the negatlie *as to be confitted 6 to.s* a reasokable number ef•tited," ails expreasjyteted to thee printed Protest which t-PreMistokiii bit: Ponsnsiby-on the 27th of May, 'and *Melt liiiiilivid`tted mite Circulate Ds rielaisd, .. J .• ' u ii weßknowikto Lerd Fingal;4ll. 'Grattan, 14:,/LittoiiiablfiltebOt Crittiiii, hod, 'Other - re. ' 6 4e.'poixosegue, .wbts - urged the writer :to \)1 i ......":•••".'''"1:.' * ' ......, •'• . . `lblinetho-highly . respeetabli Gee tiensan o [49i:ferule d a pr:iocipel pert iu the debate 7.i9iisi,'..iiiiwelf,metilitaidisit , with ihecircutn. ' ef ' .." ii(t - --- ,,V : '' . e*d',iy!iii is en, gutitild, rielthreadtie testify'agilit,. that first I deilirettiqpilitst an if:Winked 'negative of eumberO coinie. this would be equi. , • . • a positive nomination. I grant, th,t the direet negatire," - 60ittained 'le lig loge, .4kketo be intiatideriteid"brit4 ofileitry Velidere,iiist I contend . i1k:y . .440e iidt'irefiditiiir. 'etWot tintieseis 'this *titer' WM lha somtar, aeditfethein: • The Whole quilthutliffglaiciiit. iho loYetti bf the ceididale ; 'knee' k i lk titi understood thist the Crown was not to object upon any ground "htifesiortainid ditdoylityi - and though the Crown `r till; of cisera4.sililinetely decide upon this 't oaten. yet ,the party 'licensed was to have I right 'orrindicating libeseir ?rein malicious whispers and mantenies. This also Is :sefficiently explained in ' gib . ficiniia:ftoiest, One copy 'a which the. Right 4tonireribleteittleniers receive d . on . the said 27th . . *May, aid' soother in the course of our curve. 01tifinceist*.thUOitOber of the same year, 1808. ..tfttalbe added,. that uputi.presonting the Protest iAliment . the . .,1 4 106141 Lord., who to •erbletendy dis. hii.tlinrinchei, wisdom, and liberality in • - '.. 'll he 'hat done vier since ' to Ministers '1# 11 11 .6 4•14 Pulp the;MtstiVe. of 'their rijett. idind;dite fir Catholic episcopacy. The • ' .eh litin - " -; :t --- t-isfeid ease. '' ‘.." -..". till' "Trari 6 - ;;111 1 re' ' Boh ai in 'hoe matters, the e regu a t ,►I 1 . !11, . , . othetireteitmiateny geometry.? But the State had iyestahle 1 a right to leglildie, when politics were,soPjo,4o ll 9 4r • a A tio* It ,diiiekeilikii it a ` 'i Ciiiiiiitlati watt ik Id; ~, ;*. h ,...., Yeti* ishitt, ;hr hiliteittriitelikt;, tiiii iiitertalisodi6 a' 1:: .r 7 ,IlibEttlise'of that*iiii. ..'"Bilt dal 'ilikeikit:44o4., 7.,..?.`!"• 0 ' liart,iti awl' Lath . Vilninitllyllo.l4*4o.* 11 4 a w, golisg et tettdMit iiii; (alike illikitfat rikar VII': It 1f44:11i1 itiaili Oki d ( iiii, and lam was iMpOislblti theit Mild aid which was !Oust !„bp lnii,ro 'lair'iiitility bf . Bll, . ~_ 1.1 tura. ' If aa an) " eletkinia4 scraisftSay . 0 . . him that nisrs Stich dittsiiiis - Orifh - lit ms (o,imirikiflii ask in Pnini of him Isissr***iiii iiii ii tai: so 4 0/alloatA44e- Talent to a trios, as if LucifeiraKao tha Abgoae . j r i lgeaseti? 4,ii,d,, ..4 ti With respect to Dr. gibet, ho would oaluga?te. .fi e . iialue him agaiast himself, oa the. sabject.afit!s. I.Kate k ~ m...,,,he .0.1 w.••••• • ,.. ••••••••• ."••••'• i"" "7" - Wlr -:;:a 7: l +4' lia VA • ::..-:- • 7- .1 - : -,:*-- 7---- , ea - , ) the'objtetion of theist, they bestow es a . ?,.: 4 . , ii i ~. ~,, t .. on tin eioquence , ni um , and liberality In min that, grid only , UP" " v i d ""t!-- b• 41.41 ! i r l Milt :- - -Pi, iip'ssini on- Olt, ism day, ' May s t 7; Ise eh. 4 present to toy For the games • 1 :0*.,, . • , , -i i , • - *pilot', s; • .. • ' ..* * 1..414 es he US dote vier ow* s.p , Ministers Ito thew claims . - , . . ~.. ; : 4 •' ' - . '. g lr 1• • ' - 6614 pliiiied49 ittsiga tha:Ptotaye. of. 'their reject. welly desired by . •";,. * 4 141 ~•'- - 'illiiilifiirsilig. ' '__ lititutionaily fur., Adjonmed et: .v fa, i ns 1 ittididite f ur Catholic epheopoe — y. The et, ' rpecondly, it ' - . '.; ,i.- ,i; .a t, ' ... . init 'belearieT; l iiiii erisilenisiiiiii iienSinerd of 01 eefety of lie Tickets and Shikris, . - 1 -- 474:13t later Teets trans Faelder:sepost of the DeLtes 100;-the sit ics both of 1141M'S.P 1 01 , Ir mo , i ii ;:if c te. re . : , .04 . 4 the hill, ,and 9 s "CO f. 4 4 111 1 141Vi s t!4 1 1° L _ ,917 on WPlOneiXt Ma)! 94 111013, inOthhott Wt 4ear. lie is i might tais.sere th,arld .to . iVattlitori-c sof °lto Sensibielian' litis it(pesi *10444 'Nide. ' A d • so fi ese d V . ~ ' abi, the preceding, isse . lips Prises,of L)0:196i. psrtlealevliiusseit nerds tbessilitssiatiiialki sid- hi rao gi. of True pi 3004 kit of 4 40901. ... 4$ fife of oboo o l.. taitify, froasiloctestifilatl. *Elie 'Asa ears, that the fotteer lipljleir !I de.' The beiti*i lint totla ;ild *deb es fri44, -:111 4 it poris era sure aerer tee truth I WO, has sot hey of ISM • ' IMlp l Aftk of Jeer, .• ~. . ; , ~, e, 7 ' , .47 ~ t •y .l Wl'lll in 1 1 7110.. , ~4 3 , , , „ . ~, , , , ..,• • : ' _ , • • Mr. M. FITZG defended the justice did not lainter - wl.' of the - lieeislikti au high eulogies tiL Ireland. Hettsliini a Leaned CIO that Wpou. Itilisettliihtenid abet -day ' the **Oakmont- _ the' alleged lerriirt' lif ' their.'ietteste itheeakirs.; betipon.What principle eilklestleedidthat:Leirtti.: led Citillhitiddal Illet , ltlch'it shell ii ItrichMaidhl. Odell *tank' the 'peek& '6? fiewirtil ir thiltight, 0 Ilaii.velikieunnin eitithiliedd UPI& Majeitrs IN. 'vestment theieightlei Wittiliti heWiliiiblyi-tkier ib their 'lleeti atitilerevieir ''et "Pat' the latigetage of that 'tnilritelfell liatelidint ('Mr.: Wittlitieni), of wheiti iplerttlitliand vaillooe'l talents fltitileule was, he feared, to-be ati llittn liafitieliffer deer ?• Cik:ei''‘.liiiett ?ter - Won. 1 1 Phistri'llit *itimilting of Itterangliell'cattioNes,lotekttiiitiniceneygy of reasenlng ao pOrdist to'hi*CivhMod was le toitielel fur that chaste sense of hiatiourz....tbat ofd sterling: integrity of prineiplii.-..thabstenerous•higkaitind :minas' that nharacterized,ow ancient Nobilitylill when was he to look for-4110h if not Witte Ca-. tholes gentry of Englattd 14 [liter!. hear I] TIIW waatite opinion of a mart whose authority. wonfil ,halo weight as long is extraordinary intelidet had claims .to more than ordioary teapot.: likar! hear !]...anti was the seise d $l, .Givilisa •kr•ba• pit in competition with such an opinion ? {Marl hear!) • . . . . .., „ ~ , TheSOLlClTOß•GsHEllatkorgeed at' reat lengtlfigainst going ifitclltte eidilialttiei upon the male ground' that the most. zealous visionaries for -tiro-Catholic claims thought any &cooties et pre. liniicalciilatctrather to kijuinthan aerie them. -,, Av. k. RN! IT H declared his perfect supportto ' the louden fur going into a Committee, open the in . nand that where liberality was manifeited.in all ' States, peace and A ranquillitrlVal the certain . coo., sequence. -••-,•"•• • • Lord G. GRENVILLE felt it his duty to state, that whets allisions were made to the letter of his . N.ohiss Relation, it behoved those who quoted it not to misapply it, fa read the whole of that letter, and hot judge from apartial pas ago. • - Ilr. P. Moore, Sir R. Milbanke, and Mr. W. Wynne, supported the 'Motion; an ti Sir T. Ter. itin,,and Mr. M'Nanghtun opposed it. ' Mr. GRAT . TAN commenced a very able an.' steer to the various speakers who bad - taken the opposite side in this debate; and contended, that many of the arguments against going into the Committee, *ere itrungly .he favour of that pro. position.. Afterithe speech of the Learned Gen. tkmen (the 'Solicitor 'Cietieral) it swas now nut only due to policy, but to. justice, to the Calk°. ' lick to shew, that they never, as they were cc. ceded, had determined in . favour of a foreign no. ruination. •This was net the ease; in the counties of Tipperary, Kildare, tee.- they had come to ;quite-an opposite, Resofation, though at the ammo limn th?y - were'equally -Wraila to. the .0011011 ion of the Veto. Were thrs speeckuncontraditted, the impression ~would go abroad that the Irish Ca tholics had dostared- im favour of France l and that' the schism' between them and, their Piotestant eountriusen wit irreconeileable. Another' Right lion. Gentleman objected to the Catholic 'deltas,: on the,eround that:they ought nut to beadmltted to the privileges at a State, who did nut acknow. ledge the supremacy of the Chief Magistrate.— if this principle was carried to ittextent, no ca. tiolic Our deserved to be' admitted to the rights of *ay •countty, as in no age had they ever made this ackuo.w Wilmot. The Syuod of the' Catholics,. and the Catholic Body, only asked for the integrity' of their - Church ; and, that the offee of the Mode of, reconciliation should conic from those in power, •Who bad the ability. to carry into effect whatever plan they propOinfthatmight be agreed upon. As; for what wassail'l' the late Ministry quitting 4.flicilt he differed In' his cipini us on that point. 'rimy relinquished-the Catholic measure beCatise lbey could not tarry • It,, and they gave up their cf. fices, Inee.ese• they *Mild" out relinquish their principles.? { /hurl) ~, It' *is shit? Odd, that,j thirlo WO ordeit in 1 refand ' hiid an (being on tilt, (ideation. It was not so., They dittfeel their atii,: gradation, 'to the very lowest Individual; . ll'hti could. Conipare7the disabilities . under which :he !Wavered with the state of his fellow Protestant. The disorders which had frequently ariseirivere also dragged into the arguments on thia l eobjeCt ; but ilaseatise of these was, that the laws were the cue.' mks of the 'Catholics, and they 'could nut there. tore be expected to be active in. enforting these, lows. The objections to the.qtiestiOir divided into: two heads Ist. As to the Period; mid Vil l as to prin. .eiple.• Thosewhoconthnded on the letter ground i were few t•tont 'theme who'stood spin .the formal, were more singletons. As the prise piles seem thus to be given up, it skewed as if the disqualify 0 ing Oath was only Catholicity in the abstract.— There was p then, it was now allowed, noble; in the composition of the Irishman! or Catholic that, rendered him .usfit to participate its British rights ? What, then, became of the charges that-were wait 1 to ho urgatun this head? They lei •all.tunk into; oblivion. 'll6l,laitself t las a great triumph, and hu might say, were it the only points ofthirdiactissioir,, , that it had laid, bigotry prostrate.—[gear I] The question that Came -to ;he much harrowed, as It rested solal)►'isel the guardagaintt foreign influence, ffil t pil lakkgthil l aiceisary pmcautions that no spi. sisusl intbseete of oar tanner enemy should be *thtercised IA • 'these - Militia. • This *as so rea. iapabin and eisiions, - that the .Catholics could Isetobject twit. With retpeet to the time, he would Oita little 'upon log Isis reasons for preferriegilse '.other.' lives bettor to *cord _. **w,. because they wore so geoerall tbi Catholic body, and came ebnitituti , worditt, sOicotion to Part* need. ' F -- .'..wanias, for' the benefit and