The Statesman. — London, England, 1810-12-18 00:00:00

Thursday for the approaching discussion, with the certainty that it will take place on that day, than to illow it to remain on the Journals fur Wednes. day, with at least some little uneertitiuty as to the possibility of preparing by that period the neces sary materials, I mean, Sir, to move that on Thurs. day the House will resolve itself into a Committee, of the whole House, on the State of the Nation, with a view, on that day, of referring the Report which has just been brought up by my Right Hon. ' Friend to the consideration of the Committee. take this opportunity, Sir, of stating to the House that oq Thursday,l propsoe to submit to the Com. wi:ttue three prtliminary Resolutious, similar to those which were adopted by both Houses in the year 1788, and which Resolutions are in the recollection of most who hear me.—The first will relate to the state of his Majesty's indisposition, and, to his ln c.enpetence to discharge the Royal Functions; the scud will declare the obligation imposod op the two houses of Parliament to supply the defici. ettcy t'!e. Executive Authority thus occasioned; and the third will regard the manner in which the substitute for the goyalAuthority ia to be provided, by way of Bill. On these three points, it is indis. pensibly necessary that each House should know the opinion of the other, before either cau submit to the other ,the precise method which may be deemed the most expedient to meet the exigency of • the occasion. It is my intention, Sir, on the same Illy, to take the liberty of stating to the House, the general outline of the plan of conduct which I mean to recommeud for their adoption under the present melancholy and calamitous circumstances, 1 trust that the House will not consider me as dis respectful towards them in contenting myself with bating given this distinct notice; and in forbearing, at thu present moment, from entering into any de. tail or explanation of the plan which I intend to submit to their consideration. Not thinking it ne. cesary further to occupy the attention of the House, I move, Sir, 4. That this House will, oq Thursday nest, resolve itself into a Committee of the , w nle House, on Vie State of the Nation." Mr. PONSONBY expressed his acknowledg ments to the Right lion. Gentleman for the notice which he had given of his intentions, as far as that notice went. On his part he felt obliged to corn. munieate to the Right Hon. Gentlemin his senti ments on the propositions which he had just stated hit should submit to the House on Thursday. With regard to the first Resolution, respecting the - unfortunate indisposition . of his Majesty, and his fefficicocy to discharge the Regal t'uoctious, there c.iuld multi:Jr be no difference of opinion. Willi ragard to the second Resolution, declaratory of the d ity of the two Houses of Parliament to sty. p y the deficiency in the Ereeutire Authority, it was a subject fur consideration, and the Resolu. tian itself nif4lit possibly require some amendment. But with reg ard to the third Resolution, which the Right Hon. chintlemao bad declared, that in con formity to the proceedings in 1788, it was his de. termination to propose, he would candidly state that to such a proposition the Right Honourable Cenile:n.iii must expect from him the most strenuous opposition. As the Right Honourable Gentleman had nut thought fit to cuter into any detail at pre. sent of the plan which he was about to submit to the coilideration of the house, neither did Ire (Mr. Fons.mby) think fit to euter into any detail, at pre. ten , of the reasons by which ho Should be logo. • ;iced. He would eminent himself with briefly stet. i g, in reference to the proceedings in 1788, that lie, for one, would never consent, by an imita: Lion of those proceedings, to offer a fresh violation to the fundenuatiel principles of the British Cousti, tutiun. Mr. SIIERIDAN—" Mr. Speaker, I agree with my Right Hun. Friend in thanking the ( haneellor of the Vachequer for even the brief and slight commu nication with which he has couilesecnded to honour via ; and I also think it eight . to give equal thanks to tiny Right lion. Friend (Pensonhy) for the distinct notice which he has given of his intention to oppose •• Site 3J Resolution to be proposed by the Chancellor of the Exchequer. I have heard with great regret the declaration of the [tight Hon. Gentleman oppo. site, that it is his ititentiun to propose precisely the ittuie three Resolutions proposed by Mr. Pitt in 17e8 : but i do not regret hi* desire to add another day's delay to the discussion of these Resolutions, because I cannot but hope that the prolonged in. Serval will &lord an opportunity of his deliberating on the whole of the proceedings on which be means to ground hie precedent, which may. lead to an al teration of his present determination to adopt it : above all, I must suspect that the Right Hon. Gentleman hay nut read, with stiflicient attention, teat Letter which contained the Reply of the Prince I of Wales to the connannication of the similar plan then resolved upon by Mr. Pitt, i n which are a sentiments and arguments which do mine! honour to his Kopf Highness's heart and understanding : _unfortunately, they had not their due weight in the Parliamentary discussions of that period : but that arose from the then existing heat of Party Spirit and Parliamentary Animosity, which, I trust, we shall not see revived on the present calamitous orea , itin, and at the present aw. ful crisis. We all have two objects in view : and I am willing to give credit to all parties that they are desirous of obtai:iing them w ith equal in. tegrity of purpose, though they may ditier as to the means. The first object is, to supply, with as little delay as passible, the upfortunate deficiency existing in the exercise of the Kingly Authority, which paglyzes the energies of the whole Consti, sutiou. The second is, to supply that deficiency with thu most absolute security fur the unditni. nashed restoration of place and power to our be loved Sovereign, whenever it shall please Prori. 'tettee to accord to the wishes cif Isis people by va.estahlielliog his health and tnjnd. These two ob. j cts are equally attainable by two ililtertnt anodes of proceeding. 'lke one, by following the pre. cadent • '.l . 1788, and resorting to the desperate exi eriment of creating a lietion by the means of of the Great Seal, to give an Ueseintantigi aut„hu. •rity in the creation of s n elected -Regent. The other, by adopting the precedent of the Irish Per lament, and prueeeding by Address to ray the ' Prince to represent the Sovereign Power during his Fathei's malady, and nwlonger. An i d bete must Ire Corn, tq übfOrri Out slaw the tuka gi : . Pr " r Till two Perliaeaenh, I am entitled to look to the pre cedent of the Irish Parliament on that occasion, as one of precisely as fair and high authority as in the precedent of the differing conduct of the English Parliansent.—Well, but, it may be said, will the Regency, so placed in the hands of the Princes give the necessary securities required in 1788, for the limitations and restrictions then judged ne cessary for the security of the King's restora tion to his place and power ?—I answer, most certainly yes: for, allow me to remind the Right lion, Gentleman, that, without pledging myself to approve or not of any such paragraph being in. serted in such Address, it is perfectly competent to him to insert, with the approbation of the House, the expression of their confidence that his Royal High. aess, having taken on himself the office of Regent, will not hesitate to give his gracious assent to any limitationi or restrictions deemed necessary for his Royal Father's protection and security, which the two Houses of Parliament may deem fit in their wis. dom to proposes to him. Sir, I should not think my self justified in presuming to recommend this line of 'conduct to the reconsideration of the Hight lion, Gent. if I did not, upon; full reflection, feel for tified by a reference to the only material precedent which I think applies to oar present situation. What distinction may be taken as to the application of that precedent, it is not fit on the present day td argue ; but, in the year 1688, when the Represcn. tative Convention of England addressed the Prince of Orange to take upon himself the Sovereign Power of these realms, they thought it sufficient to act upon a confidence expressed in their Ad dress, that he would accord to soca provisions and pledges in behalf of their rights as they should deem necessary for the security of the Constitution.— The Declaration of Rights, becoming a Legislative Act, followed.—l have said, that I will not on this day enter into argumentative discuasion; but I cannot avoid making this single remark, that when the best patriots Chas this country ever knew considered this mode of proceeding as carrying with it, at that day, a competent security for the rights and liberties of ' the people, 1 cannot, but conceive that a similar mode of proceeding must carry with it an equal se curity for the protection of the rights and person of the Sovereign. I repeat (with the temper with which I hoots all debates on this subject wilt be car ried on), that there are two ways to obtain the ob ject which Ministers profess to have in view, in common, I trust, with us all—hy persevering in the proposition ho has avowed his preference for, he must introduce discord and disunion in the con sideration of the subject; for he cannot expect that these who took a part in the Debates of 1788, eau now, without a total departure from honour, character, and consistency, but oppose the adoption of that precedent—whereas, in the adoption of the other line of proceeding, a cordial unanimity may reasonably be expected; and he will obtain Ms object without degrading the Kingly Office, without casting any unmerited suspicion on the Prince, and without violating any essential principle cf the Constitution." Mr. SFEWAR'I said a few words, but in so low a tone of voice that we could only collect that he coincided in opinion with the Right Hun. Gent. who immediately preceded him. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCIIEQUR re turned his thanks to the Right Hon. Gentleman who had spoken immediately after him, for the fair no tice which he had given of his intended opposition. Both parties would now come to the discussion fully prepared to state the different views which they took of the subject. Ile should also hare thanked the Right Hun. Gentleman who followed (Mr. Sheridan) fur his explicitness, had ho content. ed himself. with his statement and spared his argu. meta. He would not, however, be tempted by the example of the Right lion. Gentleman to de. part from the forbearance which he had prescribed to himself on the present occasion. When the Bight Hon. Gentleman stated that the measure which he (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) had it in contemplation to propose was inconsistent with the doctrines maintained in the letter written by his Royal highness the Prince of Wales, in 1788, he must have forgotten that all which it had been stated that it was in contemplation to propose was, to give power to the Regent by Bill instead of by Address. And with respect to his Royal Highness's letter, the argument which it contained was directed not against the manner in which it was, in 1788, pro posed to grant power to his Royal Highness, but against the particular stature and limitation of the power which it was proposed to grant. lie would not be drawn in to state at present the details of the Bill which he should have the honour of submit. ling to the House, but he trusted that no erroneous conceptions would be cr. rtained of its nature and provisions. For the present, he should confide himself to the simple statement which he had made of the mode that it was his intention to recommend. Whets the details shoal(' be laid before the House, be should endeavour to persuade; them that his mea., sure would nut degrade the Rogal Authority; that it would not offer the slightest insult to that Royal character, for whom he entertained as high a re. spect as the Right Hon. Gentleman, or any other man ; and that it would not violate any fundamental principle of the British Constitution. On these three points he trusted that he should he able to satisfy the !louse. He thought he should have it in his power clearly to maintain, that the Majesty of tlo! Throne, the best interests of his Royal Highness the Prince of Wales, and the conservation of the true principles• of the Constitution, would be most effectually secured by the adoption of the course which - he meant to pr r use. Mr. ADAM conceived that the It;ght lion. ' Gentleman hail not sufficiently explained his intent. Cons, and that the House were entitled to know more minutely what it was that he meant to pro. pose. Thu last Kesulution which the Right Hun. Gentleman had declared that fie should move, would involve in it the question of the limitation of the power of the Regent. Tub true character of the proceeding would be, whether there. should be any restrictions or nut; and if there were to be any restrictions, of what nature, and to what extent ?- 1 The Right Honourable Gentleman's eteutisnews on this point ought to be rendered clearly intelligible, 4. question would arise with respect to the custody 'of his Majesty's row', that it aligl4s Gc itt.sus4l PRICE OF STOCKS This DAY AT ONR O'CLOCK. 3 per Cent. Red. 651 6 Si I 3 per Cent. Cons. shut, • (Minium, 4 die. THE STATESMAN. LONDON: TUEIDAY, DCEMBEIt 18, 1810. STATE OF HIS MAJESTY'S HEALTH. " Windsor Castle, Dec. 18. 64 HIS MAJESTY has passed a good night, and is much in the same state tu.day as he was yesterday. " HENRY ItALFORD. " W. HEBERDEN. " M. BAH.LIE." Front our Liverpool friend we have received a letter this morning, from which the following is taken :-.. " The Hercules arrived here to-night, and brings American Papers down to the 23d November. No particular news; but private letters anticipate an embargo, in the contemplation of difficulties with this country. Coo& c, the actor, has arrived at New Turk." American Papers, to the 231 ultimo, arrived this morning, from which, in a subsequent column, %To have made some extracts. We this day received German Papers. We have 1 1 made some Extracts from them; besides v hick, they contain unimportant accounts of the progress of the war between Russia and Turkey, and also of the Russian war Kith Persia. The statements in these papers respecting. the negoriaflon for peace be tween the Porte and St. Petershurgh, are still contradictory. It is stated, that the Porte has acknowledged Joacntit Nave Leos as King of both. the Sicilia. A letter, dated Atte°, na, Oct. 27, boasts that the coasting trade of that quarter is unmolested, and that numbers of ves. sets have arrived from Venice, Fiume, Trieste ) Zara, Malfetta l &banjo, Corfu ) Rimini? y w . e: _fteilm—_ We call the attention of ou r Readers to the ph) ceedings in hie Commons la s t n i g h t. They Gree r: : portant,' as they develop c th e designs o Mini st although not the precise m anner and for f m_ T hils l e 'disigns are in imitation of Mr. PITT, but prolobl. will peoceed to a magnit u d e o f crime against as' Constitution, which even he did not dare to e femplate. Mr. Penesv i tt. op ene d his views Qb* ge ar. 'taffy, by stating three Resolutions he prop osed to be adopted; the third of which only it is neeess u y to notice, as the farmer are preliminary t o any e i fectual remedy - fur the absence of all Rovat.l4. I thority. That is to the following effect :- 3. Resolved, That for this . purpose, and far maintainin g 1 . 1 . t tire ha lt the c s go ) i d o 3 n. a ll d az . t o h in o t o ty ns o shou the ld K de l l s er il ini i n t e n wer „,.. ; - '" whereby the RuSal Assent may be gi ven in P.::11,11em,,,-",! such Rill as may be passed by t h e t wo Houses of P.:li-a respecting the exercise of t h e powers end authoriticsut Crown, in the name and on the behalf of the KIAG, du i the continuance of his MA.ll,:liTy's present An opposition will be made to this, and * as amendment proposed, in, probably, the (olluseif% terms s To leave out all the words in the utigiadi Resolution after the word determine, and to lam , the following :-- 4 , To address his Royal Ilighness the Prince of W Attioi take upon him the administration of oil affairs, c!ril nod it ib. tary, in his MAjCSIVA Milne, during his Mxicires and no longer." We will not, at present, go into the 'peahen-. whether is were better to provide for the re.s l ut. • sacs of the ROYAL FuNcTioss by Dill, Of by Address to his ROYAL Ilionmass. This includes topics that would require much solemn discussion, • and much deliberate thought. Rut the quei, tion, for this moment is—what kind of it t . pRESENTATIYE of Stiraeste Hatacoma, dsr, ing the.present calamity, do Ministers mean to pro. pose They have * assiduously spread reports, they have announced in their demi.otficial way, that ths REGENT is to be restricted solar as (at least for sir months) the PriEs:.sT Al iNtsvwns arc not to bedit. to rbed, their plans abandoned, and that his Royal Highness has acceded to this. We have seen co, thing in these Reeints, but a plan of Ministers a feel the runcseiil4: isc. The public pulse has bees felt, and it beats WWI indignation at the atteapt, and_even at the intimation of it ! Nut to &stub thiallinistere for 6 mint* is to transfer tho So. wa i tietorcry to them• for ali . * : munths ; but, nobody will consent to that, and r lt cannot be that, t o whomsoever the proposition is made, it will not be rejected with disdain I Any arrangement with the present Administration on this subject, would be to make them REGEN T S in effect, and perhaps (nay far from ly), to remove the perpetual Swig- REtag l'owen from the hands that ought to wield It. A Regency, consisting of other person beside his Royal Highness, weitildlueve him out, Numbered, and left defenceless to the accidents that attend Governments. A Regency, to *MA he was sole, but fettered witis a Special Coosa, would come to the same point. And a vole Re. gently, of compromise and restrictians, would placete Coohhimi itntihtue t s io ain uno helpless canopy of th condition; e no shield of, no adequate power existing to shield him from in. ~~ Nov - f ro ui taking tt p btolS, and a soother a stil I'ol oo4 A lett trigue.—lli, Roy At. HIGH, Ess cau never consent ets this state of things; and we hope there is no dialoyelty, no corruption s . in the• two Estates of the Realm, to sanction., it !—The proceedings Penesym. has • outffited will, however, if so far carried, bring him and his col. leagues into another stoseirre ; and who knew' (he and they will cri).:::'who knows Oat a respite -it • may produce ? They pursue their own little into. rests with the same blundering hope 4a they do dal of the nation. We call mast canned), the attention of our Read. era to the important subject which Mr. Warvirsal . is about to bring forward in the Court of Comnrh Council.—A most laboured defence of Sir AO Et tsr..3, appeared in The Morning Past of lot Monday, the whole of which is to the elket of telling the City of London, that they do nut do half their duty ; that there arc other jobs ss dirtf is his win ; and that by stirring in his, all the filth must be thrown before the public cye Is this to be borne ! Will the first City in give world suffer itself to be held out as the very source of corruption ? Will that Assembly, whose reso. lotions are known to be, on all occasions, subjects of alarm and appiekenslony even to the strong nerves of the energetic WELLEST.CY; will it suffer itself to be insultedby such assertions as these? We ' hope not ; and we trust, that the result of Mr. WAITHSIAN'S motion will be, that the money thus taken from the put ars of tlte•Citizens of London, will be appropriated to the use for which it is avow• edly levied, and not suffered to enrich and fatten the wretched satellites of every wretched Admisis• tration, which may have the power to insult and impoverish the most glorious nation in Europe. . It would be well, i( those who think that all things are going on happily, with the country, would teaks inquiries in their resuctive neighbourhoods , as tolise present state of the Assessed and pars alai' and of the steps recently taken to sag• menethe rates of those whofgay be considered as able to make up for she deficiencies of those who aro reduced to beggary; our informati anbjCct frightful, and mrrits the moat serio us at. lennon of allwho have hearts to feel fo r the com• is moky l at the same time that they are the; Wants G9TernhisSlts o n on the the re or b r lo o n boar 050 ‘ V; 106c01 'be G am le o dill 1 3 beet rbith telatich ,f St. J lesirnY 4 —(2Vevi The ichnic 0 Li pith A fqu l Wits, France 'hese Prciide to M r. the Uoi Iritaia , veut rights, 11inisti Evenii STATESMAN. i' • bandit, that as soon as his Majesty's capacity for office should be restored, the benefit of that rebtera. I tion might be cojoyed. The Right lion. Gentle. I man ought to declare his intentions on this.and many other points. Unless such an explanation were given, the House w "ild be entrapped, and called on to determine in the dark upon this great and momentous question, agitated at the most mo mentous crisis of the British history. The opinions. which he (Mr. Adam) entertained on this subject, in the years 1788 and 1789, were well known. In those opinions he had been confirmed, upon the most mature deliberation. He was persuaded that the only true constitutional form of effecting the desired object was by address; and he was likewise persuaded, that every attempt to Inuit the Rqyal Authority, when that authority had been given for the benefit of the people, was a gross violation of the Constitution. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER observed, that the Honourable and Learned Gen. tleman must sorely have forgotten what lie (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) had said. Ile had merely declared, that on Thursday he would state to the House a proposition, which it was his Wien. then to submit to them ou a subsequent day. What was there in this like entrapping, or wishing the House to come to a conclusion in the dark ? If the Honourable and Learned Gentleman dif. feted from him as to the time of the notification, he was sorry fur it ; but having of course weighed the propriety of the time which ho hud mentioned, before ho had mentioned it, it could not be supposed likely that he would depart from his original intention. Mr. WHITBREAD expressed his astonishment, if the Right Honourable Gentleman were in pos. session of the plan which he intended to propose, that he should think lie had done enough in haw ing given his notice. The only solution which oc curred to him was, that the Right Honourable Gen tleman had not exactly made up hit own Mind as to the propositions which it was his intention to subniit to the House. The question was then put, and agreed to. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER; having declared it to be his determination to make the call effectual, moved that the order for calling over the House on Weduestlay be postponed to Thursday. Ordered. Adjourned to Thursday. Mr. LorgLL, with the most unfeigned gratitude, requests to return his heartfelt thanks to hit numerous Friends, who have honoured him with their kind enquiries as to his health, and their commiseration for his present unexpected, and, as he conceives, unmerited confinement; and to those (previously unknown to him) who have, in common with the universal sen timents which ho is led to believe pervades the kingdom, as to his SENTSNCE ) favoured him with their enquiries, he begs to•make his best acknowledgments. His Country is his 4z.l..—While life remains, his every moment shall be occupied in endeavouring to save it from irretrievable ruin, by assidu ously endeavouring, at ANY RISK S to expose Corruption wherever he can find it, andto point out to his beloved Countrymen the dreadful evils they have to apprehend from the continuance of the present system.. STATE GAOL, Newgate. Dec. 15, 1910. Arr. Mails Doe. 2 1 . 0 1 Quebec 0 ' 1 0 1 , HeUpland ' t.o NE% froth formeri ;OOZE la Frii Yest ,ELIZAI by Ma tN U' LAND, about eornpa vo w ,Lica gut $y a twelv Dpera lance late keli, N!:u intn tilra