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. . . -~--- --~ PPM ft] ~~~ifF - l'. .il mem .: 17-t o*v' • ties vertrelti the hereditary revenues "tom A credit of 4001.mui to be iosefilied SOO/. immediately adiranted. Since ' pence hod been paid, nor had any been inside by Austria upon the raising of the dividends had fallen public. and .11 that Austria had the parchment and piper Alpott pteitelitiittia oi of Esigksfsl. ;The debt had gone on ... uptilimiLit had rise* to 17,600 A 0004. This, rineilfingobsiVe of theilebi, was an aim' loom fords! count/ & one oiflion. He remerke 00 lheStiong Insiguage made is of by Ma Pitt t the. gime. of - - the debt. _ Wlimossleol to the Ili aIW at _ contracting hill for that purpose was introduced, Mr. Pitt oh. servedd that the limn would be solemnly made by Attittria Liu the face of the wcrld. and especially Vetere the eyes of all Europe. Thai it was im possible that A ',stria, forgeitiog jounce, and honour. and good faith, could ever break the conditions In whieblhe had agreed. That it was her constant policy to have recourse to loens, and that having 'um,' the necessities she 'night be suhietterl to is floOltet she would not be likely to forfeit the cauldrons of the Continental States hy any breach of 'leer engagement. To this Mr. Fox had espremed his dissent. and very much ques tioned the ability sod disunities of Austria as to any repayment. And , it was then he made that celebrated pintatioa from she dielogne of /yrs. Amelia in thel plaY, who nbsetved, that with tirt I iditni of the Court she never had two wattle: atsint the price —AI their dieareratent was as tio.i thip4 47 of pigment. When the Howe observed' thenseitiphird distresses under 'which the coantryh labotre&—.hen the burdens of bastion were so' Ortiltstly admitted, and their effects were so oh-; --silieptratruers considered shot they were do- . ieg londlordo•liassuse by continuing to caltivate their ratetwasstehmassnates were aeteally cultivated (nit ofltfts *Ohd belle farmer. it would be a e'sttiontan 7 Ste let. it 'would be a proof to their constituents of their detetatiwation to do every thing tar the celief of the country. if they were to claim the fulihneirt of a bowl the validity of which was undisputed. The repayment of that loan would operate materially 'to the reduction of the difficulties coder which the country laboured. It wait getterally .admitted that this reentry was in a state of great distress. Was that the ease with Aaavrie 1 . 'Psi, Out the reverse true ? Did lint her twinkle extend over all the fertile plants Of Verse tier) ;.inr7fretrfe..? Did it not reach as far as Gallicio. ift.riste ited fleurgery, on nue side, and as far as obeli on another ? Austria hid besides the • glettteet . potions! treasure of any Potentate of EtiMpte. She had received six millions as her vfrarie. of the contributious of France. She liwl, I;teides Iter—beredatary revenuer', she fruits of that enitmis of eatenio* whir-lai* practised upon the Italian Statep—a systeja,ststsirts would induce a Relief '&4 the ithiteder . .of tier subjects was the only' 644 , of )otia,Flletiferninent. A ity ides, therefnre, of shiputige her resoure es was hy then w.ro, she not called opop for paymeat . k' Why ant thus far relieve the hawks, of the people of .Esslassel, ,mhieliitad been impaired opt them 40 pelleore for her those very be. vefitr ? fle had s' stronger ',roof then any which had yet adduced of the improved state of the tines es of Austria. The Court I;essette of Novem her 11.11. rsio. mitiounced, among oilier things, 11141 rhe• public- debt was gnarly dileharged ; that not only the greater porti ofthe old debt *as liqus dicetl, but that a considerable part of the new debt dr....Rona riff. Tbe House lied a right so ask if the I.;hl e t - oid laid P 44 in any claim for payment me liehelf of Great Britain? Some lerrangetwut hod berti'nistre ors tempted, ma duabt ; he merely whit ed so know if it was so; for if not, the money D V this country would be employed in earlyingon those mwratimis sigeiust Naples, to suppress which, when A Ur.tiia was threistetied with sunder viuleuce. the money bad been lent to her. The Parliament of that day had thought it their 'bounden duty "eiposi foreign aggrerei to, to succour those States which were engaged iu struggling against it ; to. encourage 61,111` valour, and excite their utmost ha'rrel and resistance to unprincipled invasion.. l'utriug out of the opers.iuti the distressed state of the enuatry. mud supposieg the treasure as great as dirt um...roiled by Austria, whirls he believed the gyrate,' in Europe, the payment of shut loan ought tin he demanded, lest it should go Cott' to Europe tlytt Great Britain was a party to those measures itt • hich Austria ores at preiseut engaged ugMlist Naples. 114viiig strewn that Austria enjoyed a great revenue. and ample enemas in all revpros to pay; he fond still another argument in favour of compelling her, in her ability tre go to war, in win c h she hod declared herself as the patron of a system, opposing orhi. It Great Britain had spent so much loiwel and treassire. lie re a died d ley moving— . " That shyer be laid before dm Horse copies or entrants of corttlenotiesilsson whirls have oaken ogee b,twrra his Mt lettis:* Gurovvoravut aril the G ..... snout of Amnia. au tie et they reliant to th. repaynsenl of certain awns of stoner rem te - Amtits emir. the Competitive+ ot . rros and 1797." v LootiCdn't LUIZ 46 it said, that though 'Mune sense the soon of 17.000.550u1. 6441 beets incurred thripugh th e licctiniulation of intese.t. the ostAinal loan was tru4 4 11100,u00/. lie It.Hl uo taljeuttall to the pro ductun of the papers. nine's would be the forst jar l•kiFetteete of hid Xlaj-iety's Alinisteis. Though the imesery was riot ye: land, the claim woo in lug vigour. illunuuralite klruilfer ir.reined to dunk that Illitni!teer should hive mule spown..r ous coin _ Lofoten( to the 11-• ice upon the sulejec . The repres w.m!il tieisfactur.ly accuuut fur the cooduct of tiq r clad the House the the le d t. ce . i uiuv.tl Sot sir eilother place in 1816. I :L it li;quesiion was site d upon that and IS AY discussed, and the result was 'het the H iuse was' convinced, that although Alpe de,bt, Tag 'till ilue, chem . ts-s us 41i.ar r,l.igh could attach to Go vereatteut ou the se:rimiest+, jie hketeitlf, it the a ICltod, Widen opportunity Of esplaititug the circuom iitlicr• /se Ile iircipto!ed tinv Li t the meet ;kg farts it was is.. dull reed d Austria mud Prinoie s Oiler l'owers liatssurteori e g tin Imam of the s'rullifle doyiwg thewar. 6041 laripg itatpmewel w far thaitaciilly di:4lo l 4rd. neve &tweed by flu.aie cud laushioul lo lakie.on advance Oint r Ilse Frvuele eAttributintos, hlthit .40Ccutost Iced fate s Sohuecistesoly arrange d. bioceOiat penuat an elf iri hod been mad ( to realiaa smart of t t'i'nt. 4nt Austria, wasich hadjarsersd.untojeryreefnl. would not go iota Potati.talicbrA lot ceatiti.tie.ion by the Eisru. .4. ~ t,,. . . preeent. 1 0 5, , r 1 Five to for ermempirgiromionie ~--- a -. -.~ rd debts wrr7r"" 9 " 7 ^' garrison,. phrased required the fall fame there sta tiono4*lre kept asp. The number of stoops .then' eh for England and Ireland would be 48.330. Deduct 17,611 wee, the amount of the iregtineres of guards, which were a force slot di!. reliable for foreign or coloniel service—deduct also the 10,000 men proposed by the,Hon. Gentlemen, there would be lift a disposable.foree for the tee countries of 20,809 men. After reasoning upon the 'inadequacy of this force. be proceeded to comment on the condoct of the. lien. Member for Aberdeen the other night. lie erbeervert that the We. Member was • much better ineporter of Minister. than himself (Mr. If. Wiiiiii), for that by his conduct he made the noose rally rimed the Noble Lard (Crortlereigh4 . Mr. MAClfetraloo explained. Mr. N. CaVraits thetalshat there aught to be a reelect' . Gibraltar woo noose to England. It cot 'belt a minaret arierually. and during the war Anti, a million; it was no harbour. and ildicl l int 1 even commend the nitaulb of the Mediterranean.— The lowan Isles uteri slicked/ expensive. It .would be a relitCise - lihprouroky Woe could get rid ;of these two dependencies. He would have the tmesehold troops reduced to oiteshalf their present number. Their use on every idle occasion, eve,' when g few boys creat e d a tumult, lie conceived to be very improper; they were a mere substitute fur 1 the police not many occasion,. Mr. Hone said, that with respect to Gibraltar and the lonian Isles, he would not givelheur up ; but he would make the Institut blend, keep their ' own framer. A. to the jeer of -the genera Officer, that be (Mr. home) 'hewed Isitrelf the best friend or the NobleUrd, if ends{ tl,Noble Loud knew .. his real iuterertr, be was hie, best friend. Let the Noble Lord only take his advice —pet hum consent to reduce the establishments ii• 'be (11r. Hume) would point out, sod he would be tuiswerable that nothing could shake the authority of the Noble Lord—lie would he fixed more firmly in his place than any Munoset %who had preceded Iton, Rat if the elerervat ion of the gallant General intpitedany slopes. don on him because of the condocir‘which he hid pursued its that House, or if it was meant to insinuate that by that conduct he strengthetsed the support of the Noble Lord, he tuna pass by say sods observatoore with disdain. There was nothing in his conduct which could lead so such sin Ude- Nile*, and he was well contest to him the master Witte country to deviile upon . . . If then. was any -olltiug reprehensible in the Procerdeogisof that eight, it ettioated to one pary as well as ostler. It wen the resistance of the Noble Loed.ared his friends. which wad blameable in that eves, and not those who opposed hint. - They (meaning himself awl his Hon:Friends) were the rewrote pasty on that eight.— ( Loard Iterghter, sad eri of " Hear.") — Ile would prim it. Was it reasonable to go to bed at a proper hour of the night ? Was .it reasonable In the Noble Lord to invite upon having money valet by millions alter one o'clock in the morning ? tie had been aged how he could think of comparing 1792, which was a period of perfect tranquillity with the present period ? The gallant General had stated as a moon for keeping up the present force, that our intergirece might be necessary in the south of billy. The Noble Lord had very properly corrected him. controverted his assumption, sad declared that lie would not keep a single soldier on foot with a view to any thing likely to he done iu Italy. But let 4he House ebserve the state of Frisuce. which was now tranquil. Would any one say that the year 1792, a year or two before Mr. Pitt found it necessary so introduce strong measures to prevent the progresss of the principles of revuluirooary France, was a period of profound tratiquillity ? With respect to India. what was the practice ? He had seen regiments relieved in India, and he could state to the House diet not tell men returned home. It was not *their wish to do sie and be agreed with the Noble Lord opposite (Lord Palmerston), that men having trilieted fur a particular regiment, about(' not be afterwards forcibly drafted nolo a different one. He would like to set a relief every ten years. But what be stated was a matter of fact, that. comparatively, very few returned home: the officers, the stria'. arid the colours came home, but very few of the soldiers. 11l ;saint of fact, they should leave out of the case the relief fur IQ di4—aiiil if so. what is the consaqueirce ? After the reduction of 10,000 men, there would be still 39.000 disposable troupe, leaving 4,000 fur a relief; therefore the proposition or the genera General was quits untenable, because the a bole system (does round iu a circle, and it would, according to that Platt , be ten years (otiose the meo that returu would go out again. He via. peifectly satisfied dust the numbers of men staled was quite tome. tutus. Having staled co much, lie would beg to call the attention of slue thou e to the otillrinclils that lied been ma lc, iu order to induce them to tome to so large a vote; for it 'SOS important that the Meuse should be tionleceived. and shot these illusions should be mowed by which the Iwo Noble Lords opposite had endeavoured to indueliee the minis of lloionie.ble Members; bad in 4OLICI to this, he would wish to call their at tention to some tounobrist which he should State. Of the "immortal gals or past events," he should say nothing. but on a few plain sinteinetots of al ithoonsi ic he ass piepal rd to meet the Noble Lord. —/d totilit.)—That Noble Lord lied entered iota a variety ofdeteiae of the extraoidirrary savings io tire eureesinestriat, B•sracks. mod utascr d•part. meet.. But thew were merely statements sad roptundatet, without any real retre.oclione ot ; fur i.o Umiak year there was an iocreere of upaurde of 200,0001. 111 the barrack department, and the No ble Lurd take* great credit to mussel( fur reducing that increase 145,0044 ; vu that in truth and fact it is merely a redaction nf is system of espeuditure that ismer 'humid Issee heels iocureed. Ac ) coedit% ptAlre Estipastes of the last year, the I expenditure of u wa t erers battalion is, 31,500/. . if they are redUCtde Abe trireme of the officers is _ • or! many btres)ge - _ they plaetestipsisch reltaiiee on the Faience Com. I mime- v ie buret memo supports them. He would i now call the attention of the House to the opituoue i of both the Noble Lords opposite, acid of he sins- i steed them, lie hoped they wuelit correct him The only two relmons he could collect from their 1 speeches to justify this enormous expense, were, the foreeervattott of the public tranquillity. and the protection of the Colonies; but lie would add, that they should have taken into their consi- i deratioti the cosnparative state of the country at the two ;orioles that had been amnestied. lie gorilla whop, for sake of argument, and that weuld be sufficient far his purpose, trio they were in an , equal condition; but they were quite different. and no man would compare the state (Otitis courery in 1792 with its present condition, rood say that we could not better do without trlietliS .00%. that then.—(Hear, hear. 1 —T he Hon. Gentleman tines adverted to the local militia of Cello's and Cc. nada, for a tetursa of which he meant to move to e ntorrow.—(Hear, hear, nod a /4'904—11e , could not think that • 'lngle good cause could he resigned for keeping up such a large force store. The Noble Lord teed with great triumph a long Ist of retrenchment in I°lyusouth, Portamiluili, Jersey, Goertisey. Hull, noel various other places. and assigned the new work. that were going forward . as a ground for the expense. But this prupoiition of the Noble Lord was quite as 'nonwhites all his others. With respect to the sluices to be defended at Wrrdou, lie would be glad to know what number of meta are employed there ? A serjeaste• guard, he believed ; but he would admit an officer's gullet!. tin eissigti, and eighteen men, and still there were 6,000 ID be accounted for. He coutended tied they were not wanted, and by keeping up the veteraus aniii reducing the regiments a considerable saving might be effected. He would appeal to the candour of soy 04m in 014 House, whether these trors ereenesolearehle of performing any at uty, mid they colll4 Isse,ept with half the expense. Was it therefore Tait - to infer that reduction and f ecoonmy had been attended to? But there sea one point which he had forgotten on the former wee- emu, whieh opon inquiry he found to be a matter • of great importance--he 'pellet the disembodied Irish indium. from • Return, dated the 24th of June, signed the War-office, he found that there were 38 regiments, 1,000 officers, 285 companies, 18.869 privates, exclusive of the Staff, Adjutants, Quarterm were, Peyinasters, and so forth. Here them was a body of 20,000 men. disembodied, et is true, but ready to he called out on any occasion. Add to this the cavalry and nifautry. sod you have 230,000 men in arms, or ready at least at any am meld to be called out. Would any man theta sup- port a Government that would persevere in smelt a system ?—/ Cheers j—and Wetly man would summit the vote of 200,000 men that teed, mud abet wards come forward to complain of agricultural distress, the answer should be this, 4‘ You have iso reason to complain of the distress, for you have voted in support of the extravagance and expenditure of the public money."—( Lord cheers./—He. there fore, sincerely trusted, that no man who valued the prosperity of his country. world support the tin. teasonable demand of the Noble Lord. It had been raid that, in supporting a military eats- blisliment, three things were to be taken into consideration--economy, efficiency. and augments time He thought lie had said enough to persuade any mats, whose mind we* open to conviction, to vote for the reduction of 10,000 men. But the Noble Lord di claimed, in u most extraordinary manner, any comparison with 1792, and the prevent time. Theta he said that no estimatea or accounts were kept regularly, that all was irregu larity. Was it to be expected that the Noble Lord should describe Mr. Pitt's system jai that manner ? He (Mr. Hum.) considered it a re flection on every MO who was then connected with public affairs. He would state what he thought might be saved. In the Comosissmist 424.0001. being use fourth of the present espendi tore. lii the Military College 16,0001. The Asy lum 25,0001. and various others, amounting in the COMM of a )ear to upwards of 100,0001. The Hon. Gentleman then alluded to the appointment of new commissions in the army. and stated, that since 1816, the Duke of York lead appointed new cones tantalums to the number of 11,005; whereas, had he raised the officers from half-pay. it would have been a saving of 61,0001. ; so that in fact the patro nage of los Royal Highness the Duke of York cost the couutry all that money. And surely there are none for show such consideration should be felt as foe the half.pay officers, destined is they are, after endangoing their lives in the service of their 'enmity, to starve out au existence on a mist• table pittance. their military ardour checked, and all the floe qualities of their stature damped, red alinaot extinguished, by the measures of the Noble Loral opposite. Had it mot been for that &dist meet Bill, their fainiliee might enjoy their half pay, sod they thermielves would turn, as their dues poetic/10 would naturally lead them, to sup port die priticiples of freedom. against the in rm.!, of tyranny and oppresation.—(Hear, heer4— If au officer on half-pay have the wisfoituue (tor such it is in his case) to many, and have a family, drpracd by his haltita front various employuseuto, d. barred by that abominable Eialistuiesat Bill from reekoog other occupations, he ea doomed, perhaps perpetually. to (budge out a miserable exiviletter. Ile eltraukl conclude by ettorreatoic au anklet hope that the ilosibe would euppoet the motion fur tile reduction of the mamba:is, for in pruportiou as the euttibs is of men were reduced, be it ever so small, HI the eastelioportiou would the expellee be d •- malted. He had to upolueise to the House for 4b... CIIIIIng so much of their time—(Hear, hear)—"! and lie begged to state. that its opteikeig of these various offices, he tureut nu disrespect to any miaow, couttected with them. It was of the whole ateatetti lie cusephatteeti, mud lie thought that House 11101 Slut out ;tedious their duty to the country if t!:ey did not put a check to that system, yid . . 1817 declared that the expense could am be reduced lower than it is, awl if fireguards were to be remo delled to-nmorrow, they would not be it greater ex pense than • battalion of the line. With respect to the chillier of Areas, too, much had been said. that it wa s public ',matey throws sway. Bat any Maw 11W quaioted with military straits must koaw, that any change of dregs falls upon the Colima of the nee 'ew, and not upon the public.—(Hear, hear. 1— So much nu the score of ecouomy. and now fur she wriest of efficiency. The objectiou to them is. thin they are unfit for foreign service. Even if tine were true, all it anawswed to was 'his. that thee were slot capable of performing that which was in feuded that they should perform. But this be denied., witness their reivices in Egypt and America. There was nothlng in their constitution or character that could render them unfit for foreign service, NAM the regiateut to which he had the homier of be lopging, they had been three times replenished. When he heard it said that they were ioefficient, he thought it his duty as a prefemional mat to get up and deleted them.—(Hear.) —With respect to the insinuation of idle parade, he would soy, that the , returns of their duty woulticlesely demonstrate that they had very hsr4 labit, more severe than the 1 troops of the how, Ili ..rt it was too sever e f oe when any occurrence of public emergency took pilaw... tall hod tet retrength to peueeren all their duty. It had been said that dos guar* have beau considerably increased ; but that is 7 not the case. %Then they were Pint esti blished, they were seven battalions; in 179-2, seem* batteliona. It fret. airy base been very tilde is. creased. He thought he had shewu soffit iew ly that the public money was not throws away on idle pm rade, laud now he teethed to say • few made about their pay. Alter the arrears are token away, they have a shilling a day ; 64, of that goes so the toes.. mud no alteration of provisions can effect them. They heve no adv4suage Irma the low peace of p.o. Mmoos ; high or low they pay the same. The ether sixpewie goes to provide shirts, stockings, pail a variety of other thither, and alter they are alt • porchaeed, according to the calculations of she most - economical soldier, there remaius but eirt. to purchase herr, tobacco, and other luxuries. These details are very trifling. but they are ssecesuary to chew the ecotionrical system that is pursued.—s (Hear, bear.)—Often during a march, the wear and tear of these things is so great, that the paw fellow is often is debt. The wily thing taugible then is the remaining 24. and if any reduction takes place in their pay, it mu.* be from that fund. The question of reliefs to oar colonies abroad bad beets so uhly &awned by the Secretary at War, that he had no intention to go again auto that',; but he could not forbear making one °barna*. on what the lion. Geotleniart had stated. reveille ing the force in the East likelier, in which he •Veil) . the men were frequently desirous of reinainieg. which obviated the 'wearily of such frequent reliefs: but lb" Hon. Member forgot that the officees must come horsy; they would not be willing to exile themselves her life; and, therefore, new regiments must be nut out. It was his opirrioo. that is the West Indies. instead of ten years, a relief murales furnished once in five years ; that was his opinion. but for obvious reasons he would not enter into the proof. With regard to Gibraltar he might, sopa military man, have prejudices ; but he knees she great benefit that was derived front that furtrein, sr a naval station in time of war; and •he well re collected, that Sir James Sausnartz obnioed greet advantages, by being enabled to get a speedy refit there. Mr. N. Cehlritsee observed, that at the time the Hoo. Member alluded to, we were not in poster aim of Melts. Mr. Gourtsuan said, that he should confine his observations to she remarks which he had beard, respecting the force in the colonies. There were two colonies to which particular objections had been made—thme were in the Alediterraneen sod St. Flatus. %Vith respect to the former. it was rely true that the force there had been considerably is creased since 1791; bet it should be recollected. that at that periud Gibraltar only was garrisoned. whilst now we were called upon to garrison Malta . as well as the lonians Islands. In 1794, we had a garrison of 3,335 writ in Gibraltar alone; awl when it was considered that the whole force in the Mediterranean was mow less than 7,000 men, it could not be considered that the 3,500 men addi tional were too much for the new acquisitions. The other station to which objection had been made was St. Helens. The object for which we had a force there, the Home would admit was one of the greatest importance; arid if there had been ally degree of over-caution. it was surely peados able. The great amount of the force there arose from the mode in which the individual there was confined, and from an unwillingness to exercise andany w m h o ic r i e i o r b es i t ice rai d ut th t e h m en parts of the ialentl—a necessity which would not to .o p B lac e e ba g ° u l orda useli in nec di e a ry tat . 'Kist if a greater degree of personal restsaiiit were imposed. With respect to the force required for the protection of our colonies being paid for by thenstelves, he would only observe, t*l --Is_ tai pr lion acquainted with the coloi.ial trade but would sly. that if this couutry allowed the col • an tea restricted trade, they would make tau difficulty to raising the motley necessary for the auppust of the hoops whirls they required. The Hoe. Member ; fur Abertleeu said, there were cestaiu coloute► governed by Il.e Cruall, to which, if you cave the British Coiratitutime there would be found i 3 theta use alacrity to provide she stoups necerosey for their defence. lie wished the lion. Alesulser aril 'tan d the ;sautes of airy colony which had eshibried way such desire. One lime. Membe r. who might be ime.giuerl to speak with some degree of certuisty • nmpectitig the Cape of Goad Hope. as he had been lemployed as the eaglet/I'l6u which conquered that colony, had stated, that the Du ch Gi.verni r had a garesuir of 5,000 tams, *lack the Gore roor defrayed the eapflise of, as well as the civil charge, of lie colouy. That statenteut must he erroneous, and he should have imagined that the Ilene Meister fee Aberdeen, could have set that Hun. Lieulleallall • .a mks of his own Meatier. but as a proof that Austria It id not been the revenue ; probably the Chancellor of Mee Ex- 7.3141. Takes regiment of the lime, sod redo,' it I isefilied forestry supposed to be ia dist flourishing state of *wane* I chequer had mare . confidence is it. but irons all the half-pay Of the officers *mogul* to 4.70 0 /s the I 1797 not • 'ix- Mich had been elmesibed, he would mention. I that the liatlit Romantik! Gentleman heard and PS, . ( title men 6,300/. . Altogether he would say communication) that seems' mibilidissy arrangements had Wins elm around him he must hit confiaced that the pre- that oo reducing tru regiment. of the use; there e subject. The male ylleak bee and the British Goer. tent state of things required every reertiou no the waled be a saving of upwards of 85,0004 Ma ti aon the British wit lig foillie payment of ihr debts' i part of the Rouse to prercot the general distress therefore halt la right to complain of she want of contributed was Sir J. N BMWS? mid,' that there was all the from becomin g more oppress i ve . He moved an economy in sleet depart m ent. Our e s t a bli s h men t which the loan (crewels tbeemeld.lietwees . . to whin . .temeadsoopo s that b ra d 1 4 4 , moat men," con- now is quite .Itl grestais is Mkt, and yet hod soy in ia - the Bank Noble Lordiekeried - the tiouie of esplAn - itio n M - ,Nitwit it tidlVeortution, tt 71.000" 'Meld be sub- one said so at that time it would have been eon- ,, . , n accumulating, the present. Five r"s had elapsed since then, in 'stititted.: ... 'Wend quite preposterous. Rut many vtrusige ___.. . . IF II 1 - . L %"..PC • gimp( Sm. r VAMP " mentioned in the Ave,'ran Giizette of PI oyernber last wirier longer stentfilig then our own?' It did not appear this. there was.atty reason for Not c f iliqg upon Almeria for payment ; it was a tleht doe from I that Hasse is the caantry to require that paruidla„ Those Princes who stood op for the prinetpiewlif the Holy Alliance, ought to know that time was, one principle which ought to he left out of uo sig. since—good faith. Mr. Pat had f. It satisfied. and hod done all he could in assure the limier that Austrie would pay. The Noble Lord and tits SWIM* elate. professed to be the successore of Mr. Pm ; they ought tb undertake the encumbrances with the tide ; they ought to take the estgagentente of Mr. Pitt with hi. power. Mr. Fox. who had foresee% andloretold all the evil consequeners which would (allow from the measures then pursued. Uit beets " tauitted with hie want of confidence in the Austrian Goserunseut, Leaps.' he Slid that Austria never would par. .. -a l , 4 ••r • sp.t i•...: Lord Carrt.aaericti explsined. .b .n.i.i•ti. The motion was aoreed tit. . 5 ." . .4: ,.. ; , 41 • COltill'ettE OF 81:11 1 P1.11'. The House resolved itself into a Committee of Supply. , . ()lithe Brit Resolution being proposed for grant ing 51,468 men— • e ~ . Mr. Mactioxata rose to redeem 114' 1 tlf 4 ig which he had gives to propose a redoction of 10,000 mess on the military e-tahlishments sub mitted to the (louse. Peeling that the dlocnision of the other night went completety in support tif 4 that proposition, and knowing that - maul Hon. illfernbers would follow him, among whom there iwire some whose knowledge and iod , fatigahle it.- .try would do far more than any thing be could l effeci, Is.. would coutent himself wiik a very few . ob.ervations. by way of preface to his motion. His firm cinsiction was, that the c:' e, its stated and •rwird on the other side, did not prove the neeeitg. for voting more than 60,000 sawn, which weal allow 43,000 fur the coloines, and 35,006 for home service—.including srtillery and relie4 the total would be 63,000. He was not awake; 'Ulmt apology the House could offs!, the comas. try for voting a larger force. Nevertheless, a. he and his lion. Friend, were °Miro, to consider L what was practicable, rather what was jiso and de. hie; he would limit the re.isictioit Which .leant to propose to 10,000, iiisreed o f s noring , reduction of 16,000, to which the F.atishatess 'sight properly to be brought down. Ile did stns' peeteod to fetter or embairsse Government . as iii . 'partirulsr branches in' which the' rerloctio% shopld be enforced . whether is the new or the oM Colonies, hotrod or England. or in what propos. .lots from them all, he left for their deteemisiatimas But lie hoped and trusted that the Comulidee would concur with him that it was h , gh timi to consider the distresses of the country, with a view to their relief, and that there could ant hr a better commencement for such a labour dont enforcing the rettenchneent of an owlets and wanton expen diture. To do away with the effects of any SUP potted exigencies of State, he would for a suotiteut hold the ;Attention of the Houle two ihaeonsiderate , 1 lion of the services which were said to demand these forces. The number ofmeuldequired for the Colonies two years ago was 30,11.0. Supposing Government to be so disposed, in Malta wad the lonian Ides alone they alight make a reduction of fourteeo or fifteen hundreJ men; there would still be left 30,000 mess in arms, including artillery, for the other services of the couutry. There would be 10 veteran benefit:His. amounting to 11,001. men, about to be disbanded, which, as expos., rience had proved, being fully qualified, could% at any time be brought iuto immediate service.a.- There would be 63,000 regular troops in England and Ireland; and be.itles these, 37,000 yeoman:lgoe : witty, and 40,000 volunteers. Upward; of 100,490: mcii would .be ready fur elicietit service ; and loot tug at this disbanded militias, which might be called out and rendeseil eiff-ctive at a very short notice. in three nibiohs at the utmost. 900,000 meat io anus could be called out. Thellito.Coammisioner of Woody sod Forests 0111POSItr, had c buttoned the House to keep the country in • elate which would enable it to resist aggression. 1: was with this vie., and from ass earnest desire to uphold the honours said digeity of the country, that he pro posed a rellue.ime. It ors difficult t.. .84 to what d.gree the li :uncial embarrassments of the country must go, before they would place a counsel ass full of higli spirit a. this countiy was liasiwu Who. is a situati.in which would ~reveal it Icom reionmst aggressiiiii. Ile could not anti( spate such a period, and he hoped toe cootory would nut sur vive it. But if that period a. sr 'ver to arrive, it would be attaibutible to the ors.ocu..d.sct. of Go vernment is iefii4og to allow the country. when oppurtouity uffned. to woo time to l'4ertllt lien Vt. 11411111k141 euelgiell. it was of celestas. impoitance t. at the question should be tiiiall decidtd upon by th e Hawn. The cave was thee—.oar o ut of 34 tuit ions. annually collected, 'lore were only six toil- Iwo* ovoidal/le as to any view of ec....0.0) or r. doe two.. They had riollirirg else su loots to except the Sinking Fund, which began tom* to furnish but a dreary prospect of rented ) . Tisese were the only SOUleel (rota which Oil sllVlsig• could he 'tweeted. A trifle Wight hell:meta ..is the collectiou of the se. Ventre perlolplit; bat et wes toil) ow do: annuities that ally substasiti II eaviiig cool.' be rii:c.ed. He ogre,- lei the explessatna of au 1100. 11eassletei emstrattie• toe Asher night, who lied aislieel tt oust sedge:toot eould take place. the hauefit of stitch ewes. iushviduol Could isetomilmly feel?" lie adosielcO the tooth lel tits lien.. Member's iroviitusi. But was this a pro. p.r tii-clariitiug l i: that it tuuld du u 41,411tirtectiotit cot the . 4,100 , 04av0 sal ,the proollf, ttiof Sllet,it.tie did Ilitifflikiiil.. lolo e 44 4611411Pid , Piaci& it butt patitiosopi list it the litosaer, tool woos in its ptiloistopiliske Ow couditona tot tio_ people beterri they infest to do nothing to ataise a durst. 'lle ,m 14 1 .4 0 .1, thin Ngikiriqi - 44,T 10044 . 4 . .,Cig wins of ~.,. ~, .!.. ,d., r .::lf , , 4. WO 4 ! Z e,:r a . • . ' •11 c (loose • ) V. 'N vote for the reduction proposed.—( Hear, hear, hear !/ Sir H. Vertsn explained. Sir H. 11AUDI HOE rose for the purpose of making a few/ oboes vatiosts with respect to the hoeselitilal troops. It had been stated that the horse guards Isere en enormous expense. But the matter turd ~~ FIF .2