The Statesman. — London, England, 1810-06-02 00:00:00

': . IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS, Jun E 1. The Dere Fore 4 bill was read a second time, and after soo e conversation het wren Lord Howl of C .ilsecio atm, toe Ea I ot Limerick, Lords (Woolley, Redesdate, and Lord Vi,- yowl Melville, chasinitud f r a,Y ethicality. Lord Viscount 111• lei le funk the oppo: amity of Misery lag upon the great Imporafee al magma; ~.ensures in time to ensure a supply of anther from tile Royal F o rests, ur ()thereat. 111 the course of a few'yeara the British . Navy wuu.d be wholly depeudetot on a supply of foreigtfaitaber. The I-1.• of Man Smuggling Hid, the British Fisheties Bill, Ito Stair % Conches HAL the Poor Badge Bill, and several ' other Bills were brought up by Mr. Lushiligion Sir JOhn Siuclair, Mr. Wilbraham 'Bootle, Slialantes Graham, Sir J. li, Cott rill, Laid Henniker, and other Alembics of the Ifouie of Cniumon's, and read a first lime. Tbo Stamp Duties Surplus Appropriation'Bill was read a second time, and committed fu Tuesday. Several Accoomts relative Is the Stamp Duties, 'Were (sedge(' on the motiait Of; the Earl of Lauderdale. 'Some papers bere preseled telative to the Caledonian Ca nal. and the Earl of Lauderdale took an (opportunity of cen ; Wring this u.alertaking, as a great waste ot money, without nny public mita:, there being nothing of any Importance to convey by the Canal. GAS AND COKE, DILL bora SHEFFIELD moved the third reading, and said it has been the wish and the endeavour of the Committee to which the Gas and Coke Bill was referred ' . to obv,iate thetas jectiorn to it. The must diligent search ha; been made for objectiam, and be andentnod most, if Mot all, have been moved; unleia those to the'rlause which misters the subscri bers separately noi , nntiwerable except to the. amount of their stock or subscription, and Ails clause could not be given up without sacribcing the main object of the 818. He ob served, great undurtekings comma be promoted and establish ed by icdividualsa and it has bee,t gencially found expedieut to form companies for carrying ou several branches ot. trade; and uodertakongs which require a large capital, and a steady perseverance not dependant on the exertions or life of an in dividual. • England oyes much of ber prosperity to such com pneies.—lneorpormoted (limp:ones were the parents of almost • every braselial our foreign commerce • and to encourage them great privileges were granted, and for a lung term of aeon they enjoyed motalpotasand"esclusive sights, and o' her advatditaesy.* hitch, w lieu the eoutitry became rich and more • corn:nen iat, Iv ere found. to . be not only unnecessary, but preju dicial, eheckitig.emerptiae, and preventing competitions Toe Petitioners tar this Bill desire none of the privileges that were objected to in the old caarters ;alley desire ro inanopoly or exclusive :tarts; and to he !imam' to the term of twenty-one yeas. As to the suggestitons-whielf have been thrown out, in threat couiradiction to the plain meaning of the Bill, that 'it "mitt virtually give a monopoly anti exclusive rights—that its peevish'p are obligatory ou the aublic—they were ton refined ur sublime for his contpreheosi..n. Utiles, the subscribers, who mire very numerous, awl of course can have little to do . ith the conduct of the Ins-Mesa are exempt from the tope* ration of the Banksupt Laws, as is usual in such cases, the Undertaking 'mat entirely fall to the ground. • Nothing is de sired but what has usually and lately been granted to compa nies of the same mature, via. Insurance Companies, Naviga ble Lama Companies, Companies for the supply_ of large towns alb water ' to the Flour Company , to the Vi'hitstable fr'sbery, to tee Northumbi:rland Fishery, and the seine as was greeted to the Highgate Archway, on the very day the objection to this clause was tint steed. •He was in no shape or in any degree persoually interested in this Bill; lie was re quested to attend to it by some folends, which having done, and having carefully examined the evideuce a:al several state ments respecting it, he was convinced that great public benefit might be derived if the ututertakine succeeded. It is he; merely Gas Light which a ill he old: tined, and much money saved, mow paid to (foreigner-, for tallow and ail, but several other articles, of perhaps still more importance, such as coke. tar, pitch, asphaltum, Amoniaeal liquor. and essential oli, for which we are in a great measure depentlynt upon other countries; and all these will be obtained holm coal, an article which this country postaases in an eminent degree; and which will nut be wasted in the operation, but will continue good fart, and for many purposes in an iniproved state; and too t of them may be procured from slack or refuse coal, w -lied now lies useless in vast heap?, and is Considered of no Earl STANHOPE mentioned the pernicious ef f ects of the I gas, when caperinseuts on it Were tried at the Lyceum, four or live years ago, and the dancer which might arise in the metropolis, if this mode of lighting Was resorted to; from a whole dotrint being s o ddenly left in darkness through an ac moron maim -IM% to nue of the snails tubes. The Duke of A.totol ulcteud. d the Bill, and the Mal quis of Lansdowne oh served, that a great improvement had taken place in the ex periattenis lately made with ate gas: After some observa tm s from the 1...arl or Lauderdale and Lord Redesdale, tine Bill was read a third time and ;eased, with amendments, add cent Mr to the Commons. . • Una we third reading of Card's Divorce Bill, Earl GREY snored to leave out the clam.- prohibiting the attending puts ties from iluermarry iog. His Lordship declined entering lotto cuss argument relative to the stamlni!.order, in pursuance of which this clauses was introduced, it being his imention to noose the reseiniiiim of the errata but at all evetes the clause was woolly tmorces,ury, nod after a few words from the Earl of Lauderdale, who alas also hostile to the, order, the Bill am read a third time, and passed, and orderea to the C iiiii toms. . • Tice Earl of 'JARN LEY'rtuated for returns of the state of the sick temps who had returned from . the Walenereit Ex pedition, mind copies or extracts of the reports of Colonel* of regYments employed in that Expedition, retalecting the state of their regiments, &c. His Lordship observed, that, although from the late period of the Session, it was not his intemaino to institute only isuptiry upon this subject, still he •thinight it of importance, that inawination of the state of the troops should he laid before the House, and he feared .it .would be found, that nearly half the army employed in that disastrous E s ;wait' Oil, had been rendered, from toe effects of the Warhol - en laver, wholly unfit for service. The Earl of 1 cVER POOL agreed to two of the 'Tontines, for a Return of time sick, mid the Rephrts of Colonas of Regiments; but could not consent to aaloird, for the Pro- Auction of a Statement of the Efficitiocy ot particular Re giments. Earl GREY said, that the last object might he at t .imied, by a general Return of the State of the Ilesals of the Troops. The Earl of LIVF.RPOOL objected to this, observing that sal:lent inforinmaion would be obtained from the duce omen's, to the production of a Web he bad consented. The nature of the Wttichereu fever amts, be said, well known, and that the persons attacked were liable to relapses in the sprang; amid the present spring, he observed, had been parti- Cul.irly talfavoutaale. E a cl.6ll,BY observed, that the imitate of the fever was welt known. and might have been sufficiently known to Mi nisters to prevent the sacrifice of a fine army in '.Vaileheren. After some &Aker conversation between Earl Grey, the Early of Roslyn and Liverpool, the two mutions• were agreed to, mind the third negatived. • Earl S CA N HOPE, after some ohservationa upon the dis cordancy of the opinions of the Commissioners ender the Stott Judicature Act, as appeared by their Third Report relative to tee e pediency of introducing Trial by Jury, on civil cases, into Scotland, moved that they should deliver their respective individual opinions in writing to the House. • A long conversation ensued, in which the motion was op. posed try the Earl of Liverpool, the Lord Chancellor, Unit Lord Retiesdale ; and supported by the Earls of Lauderdale, fin..lyn, Lord Holland, and Earl Stanhope, iu reply. The house at length divided— Couteots 6--Not Contents 10—Majority 4. • Adjouraed till to-morrow (this day). HOUSE OF COMMONS. t. • 'the Trish Pine Mil, and Scotch Clergy Bill, were read a lecostrl time, and ordered to be committed to-morrow. The Pension Bill was read a third time and pasted. Mr. rosT ER brought up the Irish Letter I)tity Bill, Trish Stamp I).stv and Irish Duty Bills, Land Irish Ciilleetiuq feegulettion Rills. Read a first time, and second reading Axed or to-morrow. Mr. LONG moved for leave to brinr, iWa Bill to regulate the payment of Assignments for Clothing his Majtity's Army. Ordc red. Mr. LUOBINGTON brought up the Report of the Lot tura Bill, when the Ameudutruts ogre agreed to. ' On moving the Order of the Day for farther considtring the Report, Mr. W II IT Bit F.A D intimated his wish that the dis co don on it should be deferred to a future day, which nas acceded to, and neat Wednesday fixed furtivn purpose. air. DUN DAS brouent up the Report of the Committee pp 1...5t india 'Affairs, when the Resolutions Isere agreed to, at' is Bill ordered necoriiiigly. Mr. CR SV Y sug6ested the propriety of having the Bill printed as speedily as possible. lis the µroper stage It es it, intention to state hit opinioa upati the suhjett. Adittiral HA it YF. Y ,nid, it was his intention, on to-mor gun, to renew isisaJtice for learn to bring. iu a Bill for the .1 • , I 1 • Si A TV,S MA 24 Protection treat limpreos of isnxidnien enrtgedVdse British Vie I rish Treasury Bills Bill wi.s read a secessePwills ... and ordered to be committed to-morrow, Toe Wm-, haviii resolved itself into a Committee of Sup ply, the CHANCELLOR of the t 11 EQU F.R moved, OA a ow) not exceeding 11,0011!. he paid to Lords Olentservie onl pltialand. for their seritit es as enuniti•ttioners of the Land T , the Nilo 1199. up mine preseut period. Ur. CALEB AFT sell. that without peininineing opi niassupon the parritulor services of these two Noble , Lords, intheiresipacity ns corainissionereof the Lend Tax, he still 4as of pinion. that as they both received large pensi tttt s, and pv14.111..01 as Lord Glenberv:e held the office of Surveyor- General of Forests, that the coumry had some .rim to these tens ices in the office alluded to, without being obliged migrant them such specific remuneration as was slow sought by the in closed Resolution of the Chancellor of the Exchequer. Mr. P E R.O EV A L did not conceive that m erely because persons enjoyed ,pensiitin for their farmer public services, ,therefore the country had a right to their future labours for Such a space of ttine as ten years, without being bound to ren der some remuneration for their trouble unti responsibility. -It was an additional recommendation *hit him to bring forward the present proposition, from oderstatidisg, that it was the intention of the last' Adtnidistration to have suhmitted a simi lar one to the considerati.m ofthat House: Ile begged to be understood as adverting to that point, with no other view hut this, that he felt more strongly the propriety of snaking a pro pasition,'Which was also suppnrteaLby their authority. Mr. CREEVE,Y admitted the very great political services of laird Atte:cloud, but he could uut recog,nise the claims of Loa Glenhervietoenjoy at the same time both pension and reinunetation. • • • Sir JOHN ANSTRUTHER took a view of the first ap pointment of these Noble Lords, when the extent of the 11 07 was nottpriderstood. It became very latorion , , and he believed the country was much benefited by their able and at dimus exerVoni. He contended that bath the N iohle Lora: had a fell data from li st serviceseo their pensions, and therefore he (mild not accede to the objectioie that having wensioos for former services, they were not to be remunerated for future 'nimble. Mr. CALCR AIT had no notice of melt a propesition un til it was moved in the Counruittee.. From what had passed, he did not regret the opposition be made to it; its principle was wholly unjustifiable, and likely to he perverted to very pernicious purposes. It Went to establish new offices, to which emolument was attached, without the consent of that Idolise, ate, in tome cases wholly evading direct and positive statute s. For instance, Lord Glenbervie might he, as be hes reved be was, a Member of that House in 1-799—he erws . then appointed ' via ditty from 'which no emolument •Waint) accrue, but now after ten years a reinunerntion of 60001. was required for him, amounting to a salary of 6001. a year. If snch a salary was in contemplation at, the time of the ap pointment; the House should have snore duly considered be fore it voted sudt grants; at all evene., that Noble Lord Iseult! have been obilged to hate vacated his seat, By the present proposal of remdoeration for past services, new rates , were created, stud a positive statute evaded. With respect to the merits Of the. Noble Conk, there was a marked distine " don. Lord Auckland had discit urged great public duties in most exemplary manner, fol` which theenun:ry was highly grateful, whilst, though mueh seat beard Of 'great remunera tions to Lord Glenbcryie, very little was known of his puhlic merits. The House ought to pause before it Acceded to these demands made every Session of • Parliament for increas ing the salaries of Civil Officers at the time that it felt itself wholly unable to add to the scanty subsis• trace of its ,meritorious Military and Naval Officer's. It should not heighten . the grievances of the latter by favouring 'others when it was unable to help them. lie hoped that the Right Hon, Pentlemac (the Chancelhir of the Exchequer) would have no objection to let the Resolution stand over until the next Committee of Supply (Wednesday next.) Mr. PERCEVAL thought the Resolution might then pass,, and that the discussion could take place ou the Rep ort, which might he deferred until Tuesday next. After a desultory conversation between Mr. Calcraft, Mr. Rose, Mr. Shaw Le Fevre, Mr. Adam, Mr. Brown, Sir J. Newport, Lord !Milton, and Mr. Tierney, it was at length, agreed that the Resolution itself should be postponed until the next Committee or Supply on Wednesday next. Mr. PE.RCEVA I, next moved, that a sum ant exceeding 100,0001. should be voted in aid of the Fund for the support of Queen Anne's Bounty to the Poor Clergy, having livings under 15tH. per ann. Mr. TI EItN EY nbserteJl, that when It was stated, that in I all probability this grant mast be annual for 20 years, it he came a very serious and important questi.n. He therefore ; called upon the House to consider, whether the Act of Queen I Anne, ref Jive to the tenths iond first flints, would not bear a donstruction which would enable them to apply those to the relief af the Poor Clergy, instead of intim-tog this burden on the public. He agreed, however, in the InAlp object of the Resolution. Mr. NV; SM ITN theught the object revert . proper one; but mentioned, that iif the comity in which he lived, some.of the Clergy lied talked of collecting tythes in such a way, as to make theta a fourth or fifth of the rents of the kingdom. He thoueht a time when such ti , ctrioes were maintained a proper one to load 'the country with this burden, when it Might he home b. the Church Revenue. Sir J. NEW POR was of opinion, that it 'would have been but inunLinoe in the higher Clergy teemselves to have come &smard in aid of their poorer brethren. If the first fruits and tenths had been in the hands of the Crown at this time, they would hate been ampli suAci-nt for this purpose; and even if there were a legal difficulty as to the Construction of the Art of Anne, the higher Clergy might perhaps have been expected to make a voluntary grant for the relief of the poorer cla'ss of th. it own body. • Mr. PERC EV A L thought the act clear against any claim on the chnrch property ; and it would be injurious to diss tetrb that law now, as even a great many of the lay impro priators Nut purchased upon the faith of it. He did not con- Oder the house as pledged to continue this grant; but he thought it might to be continued. Lord NI ILTON concurred in the object, hut rather thought there might be a disposition of church property applicable •to It: He complained of the little accommodation in Churches in great towns fur the poor, to which he ascribed in ft great measure the aerating metease of meetinghouse 'sal setts. • • • Mr. WILBER POFtCE was glad that no objectinn had Iseeo made to the object Itself. Itc lamented tae want of churches, and the scant of attention to the accommodation of the poor. He was desirous that churches should be erected by the public; but if not, by individuals. He did not ap prove of the idea which had been thrown ;iut, that the rich ! bed the •poor should attend sit differeat hours. One of the chief objects of public worship was to bring them all toge- I tiler. Even in thine countries where it was reckoned pollu tion for one ca.t 'to mingle with 'another, they all met tsge tber at the Temple. This grant would increase the comft orbi of the poor rather thin detract from them. The spreading of I Chrktianity was the way to encourage charity. Before Christianity the atiafe wasoinknown; and here, where Chris- 1 dimity prevailed in its purest shape, charity Inuit be ptevaL lent in a higitdegree. • • fife.-60WAITRY wattid wish to increase the comforts of j 'the poorer Clew, as well as those of all the poor, but be thought the first fruits rindientlis ought to he applied to this purpose. The Ad of Maw, when tpken in coilinuction- with that of 9rsestrge 1. did not appear'to prevent this. The SOLICITOR-GENERAL held it to •be important that 110 doubt should exist as to the construction of the Act of Aunt, and declared it to he his decoded opinion, that it had hied the rate to.be levied, 'arid th at it who'd bea breach of publiifaithin increase the rate. • • • Mr. H. MARTIN was of a different opinion. and argued from the preamble and general tendenty of the Act, and trim its history, as given by Bishop Burnet, that a a.!sv valeation was not precluded. Tie Clergy, as a body, were richer than the laity, as far as he bad been able to perceive; and what- , ever odium and unpopularity nigh - attach to his opinion, he I thought that the people ought not to' e.bortherted with this gram, whets the church It venue was very capable of sup-, plying the wants or the poorer Clergy. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL contended that the Act of Anne Was conclusive against any increase of the rates of first fruits and tenths, • Mr. TIERN EY, with an due deference for so high an authority, hail still great doubts on the point. Mr, A. BARIN to thought it a very Serious vuhlett,'"and contended that a proper distribetioW of the Church Reveotte• would have answered the puipose. He ascribed the increase of sectaries and meeting-houses to the negligent or improper conduct of some of the Clergy in the great towns. Tome s a l the country who performed the greatest part of the duty were the least adequately restatarrated: After a few words from Mr. •Ilkillt)CIY, the Resolution was put and carried. .• • The follow lag sums Were then Sallikair • • • • Bapence of printing a set of thealmiswids e the • Hume of Peers -* - 42817 19 1 u Priatiak another set of their Joistnak • • 15tH 1 4 Was reair's and different works about the Speak • eel house and the House of Parliament 11,550 0 0 • rbt es plrriag the interior of Africa ' - NI 16 0 -liiprtivemt.rs, die. strand near Westadissless•ltall 8854 16 0 'I ogether with apwa ds 4410001: few rarrying into effect a plan for the establishment of a horse palm* for the secartty of the roads leading to *e metropolis, Iles &e. • Mr. Wlf A RTOlli then pritiosed a sire of 10341.55. to be paid to Mr. Rend, for the Expellee of Constables employed during the late Disturh.t..ces. Mr. W II IT 14 ft B A !) ohserved,that it had been a stihieet tionsiaiiit that the civil powm . owd nut been oatticiently ems lif"Yeti etual befaie this money, he wished to see an acco"ttt of the manner ia which the pence-ollicers had been timployetto and how the inOntr nes to be. distribuied. Mr. WHARTON was n •L prepared with a distinct answer 'at that time, nod agrevd po.tinm2 the Resolution. Mr. WHA It lON then prop*sed a sum of 1911. 13s. 6d. for the Surveyor-livneral of in _Suva •Srotia, to inatjugt for an under statement in a compensation which imd betW lowed him. Mr. W ITBRF.A I) asked what this compensation was ? Some account of these Wogs ought to he given before the sup plies were applied for. Mr. .W I I A RTON agreed to postpone the Resolution. A Melo ,ge from the Lords annoutire,d their :a s sent to the Loachen Omits Bill,the Liarisc Officer; Sirperdmitiation and several private Bills. . Mr. RAN KES moved that the Rest:lotions passed yester day relative to' Sineritres be printed.—Ordered. Mr. C. 1V alter ohseriiinfr upon the inefficieoey of ' the Act fOr preventing lirihery at ilectiotn, obtained leave to bring in a Ball for amending the said •Art. The Marine. Insurance BIR was read a second time and committed. • • CATHOLICS. • Upon the Orier• Tor . resuming the adjourned Debate ape's the Catholic Question, • Mr. C. LI OTC HINSON rose and obsercetl, that the sincerity of the Catholics in their prefesSed at tachment to the Constitution was obvious front the very nature of theii Petition—tkat they sudlqht . not to destroy bet. to participate in that Constitution was evident from the character of tlitir The objections made to their creed, by their op ponents, were already sufficiently answered,- not . only by the replies of the Learned liniveisitiii, SO often referred to, but by the explanations and arguments u( those who had preceded him in the debate. Bet cf's!! the objections urged against them, he confessed that ho was most astAnishel to End it still fashionable •to question the fidelity of the Catholics to an oath, as if they could not par. take dill the advantages from which they were excluded were they not conscientiously seruptilinis upon that point. The tenor of the coronation oath did'not furnish, he.coutended, any obstacles what ever,lf fairly interpreted, to the demands of the Catholics. That oath was, in fact, framed by men whose principles and character forbade thesuspicion that they could have roetlitated•suell an interpreta tion. 'those-who lived nearer to them did not so understand it. This was evident from the conduct of Parliament kelvin's the Dissenters in the reign of George the First and Secintd. But if the corona tion oath were inch an °Wade ar was lately pre tended, how freqiently and conspicuously was it vi olated by.thecotieessions made to the Catholics in Ireland. IVereGentlemen who now talked so mech of-this oath aware that Catholics *ere admissible in. to that House after the Revolution t Or, did .they really 'mean to push their argument respecting to coronation oath to such an extreme as watt d warrant the inference, that it lies not framed by free men with a-view to. guard against tyranny, but by tyrants, with a view to hold a great propor tion of the people in slavery ? Wear, hear I] They certainly :could out, in his opinion, be considered as the advocates of, freedom or justice who could contend that this' oath was hostile to the just rights of millions of,ner fellow-subjects —of those, whOOlthotigh fed neon potatoes, as was sometimes sneeringly 'observed,' were swell men as he would nor fear to set in competition with any set of mett belonging to any whatever dainties they might live upon. But whore so touch was s.iitl of the discontents and the differeece of the Irish from other parts of the Empire, he would beg thent to consider the wise observation, that the people of all countries were just such as the Government made • them. ,The Hugonots of France, the Danes anti Saxons in this country, and the Scots also for a series of years furnished sill% lent exemplificatiotvor this opinion, if it were meant that the Irish should inalgamate like the Scotch with this country, it was for the Parliament by peeper measures to ie. coruplish that amalgamation. It was to be recol lected, that in England, and Scotland alsoi the esta. blished religion was that of the people, while in Ireland it was the contrary—while In Ireland, not. .withstaitding the Treaty a Limerick, the•religlan of the people was proscribed, of course the dis contents of the Irish were very naturally to be accounted for. , But it was in the power of Par. Hameln, and on'y by the exercise of common kis. tice, to remove those discontents. It was in its power to do so only by redeeming the pledge made to the Catholics at the unions The Noble Lord (Castlereagh) had stated, in the course of this de bate,. that no such pledge was ever.entereil into by the Irish Government. But he would put it the Noble Lord, whether that pledge was not, at least by implication, made to the Catholics ? Whether the Catholics were not afforded reason to expect emancipation ? Whethar. Mr. Pitt's speech which was calculated to encourage that expectation, was not circulateilby the Noble f o ordis orders through. but Ireland ? Whether, in fact, the Union could have beets carried if such an expectation had not ' been excited ? —and, if the Catholics had been ge. nerally adverse to the measure, whether it could have been carried ? Undet all the circumstances, be had no hesitation in stating his opinion. that the tlathelics were cajoled. Bitt the. must extraordi nary assertion was, that no OPportitnity.had been overlooked since the littlish of conciliating the Ca tholic people. What wail* institute ? Its all the times of egitatioo, and Oen 'distress,. which, since the Union, had occurred to the 'empire, he remelts. bered nothing of any attempt even to conciliate the Irish. Let it not be supposed, as some Gen. tlemen appeared to insinuate, that the advocates of the Catholics leaked for any thing like victory or triumph. Noohey looked only for justice and reasonable . conCession ; Stud tot those who op posed them takeearv, whether, by that upposi. lion, they were not promoting the triumph and victory of the enemy t .— [ Ilear, hear!) Pere the 'Hon. Gentleman adv tied to the foul eplutnnies which had 'been so long circulated with regard to the creed and character• of the Catholics, which calumnies, indeed, had been very industriously circulated of late, although the celebrated apostle of those calumnies appeared to he dismissed by Ministers. (We understood the anus' to belt) Dr. Duigenan)° Although this thimpibn of prejudice was consigned to silence, still his virulent spirit was abroad, but haeltilv fur the eastseLot-assagaii-a604 ~~ `t , ... ..~. , _ • " • ir7 the y Catlyies, the iirelence was so glaring as to defeat its object. [Mar, hear 1] The Learned Judik‘rom Oxford (Sir W. Scott), was some. what,More judicious in his mode of propagating prejtsdice. He charged nothing directly, but ha insinuated every thing. In professing to state, ai was his duty, the sentiments of his constituents, the Learned Judge, discarding the recommendation of the distinguished 'Member for Dublin (M r . Grattan), to cast the veil of oblivion over recent Asensions, thought proper, with an extraordinary degree of solemnity, to attribute the Irish Rebel lion to Catholicity ; but the Learned J edge tir_ got, that according to the authority . of Mr, Pitt, it , Could net be called a'Catholic Rebellion. Id fact, no one at all acquainted with the case could so de. scribe it. That a Rebellion in any country wa s likely to involve atajority of that religion which the ordinary poptiTlif;un in general embraced, was naturally to be expected. 13iit It was undeniable that the leaders of the Irish Rebellion were Pro. testants, and that among the whole band there were no Catholics of any rank or importance. Any of the Catholic Clergy who were implicated, were notoriously of no reputation alautig the.r own body—e ere in fact ,excommunicated from the Catholic Communion long before the rebellion cote. menced (hear! hear ! hear !). As to the etre. chies,which.marked the progress of the rebelli4n, ureetestionably they were (emeritus. But from the hest information, he wait enabled to assert, that the conduct of the King's troops was much more outrageous to huinatiity and the Corot'. tution, than Any thing that could he charg. ed upon the . people. If his 'Learned Friend (the entice of. this questioe) thought proper to employ his great talents in delineating all the fea: • tures of the event alluded to, her was Sure that such a picture would 'be prinented as must make • the hair of every man in the Howie stand .un cad, not from a reuse like that referred to . '„Ky the si. pietit Member fol. Somersetshire (Mr. Lethbridge) who lately - need the-phrase, but from , * display of On, most horrible cruelty and sarnage„ [Clear, heart] There 'seem he bad no *nib!, many honest, respectable men in that House ttpd out'of doors, who thought' that Catholic "Emanepatioa ought not to be, because in their view it could not safely be conceded. But the delusion of suck opponents nas to be removed by discussion ; and he had no doubt of their one. (lay becoming the advocates of the Catholics. The incurable mei_ lilies of the Catholic cause werethose alone who enjoyed persecution—who subsisted upon mono. poly—who valued the • Church and Constitution orify as they secured them the exclusive posses. sion of profit and of police. [ilear, hear I] To the opinkin of such pelions •ho hoped that House would not consent to bend ; for it must be aware that the interest and safety of the Empire was not to be promoted by protecting the monopolist and proscribing the Ca. tholic, but by a union of all our strength and pis. 'pulation, at a crisis particularly when the aid of all was necessary for our common defence. Wile. pendently of this consideration, he appealed to the jestice and wisdom of the house, whether it liultlJ, upon any tenable ground, consent to Pro. • scribe the religion of .the Catholic ? Could that religion - which so many distinguished friends to freedom, to science, and to humanity were prowl to avow ; Vtitich • reeked among its disciples a Conde, •a Bossing, a Feneloo, and so many other great men of the ancient and modern world, be deemed a fit subject fur proscription by a free, en. lightened, and liberal assembly ? With respect to the Veto, he 'called s tilton the House to recollect the statement of the Noble Lord (Castlereagh) re. , Native to the connection between the Catholic Clergy and Penple of Iriland l • and to consider the danger of weakening that connection — of shaking the confidence of the hierarchy in the people, or vice versa. It was absurd to suppose that the Catholics would ever consent to rest the appoint. went of those who were to preside over their spi. ritualconcerns, in any quarter supposed unfriendly to thiiir religion ; that they would consign the go. vernment of their Church to those who were too apt, as at Reverend Prelate, of the Established Communion, once said, to regard theirs as a reti. On* fit only for knaves and fools ! (alluding to an • exprCssion of Archbishop Agar). Sudh a coal cession was not to be expected from the Catholics, and he was surprized at the demand of it. Bat this Veto was, in fact, a mere stalking horse ; the plea of desertion from the Catholic cause ; the pal liative of persecutors ; the list retreat of presump tlun and monopoly.—pear, hear t] U pun what' ground, he would ask, could this Veto be re. qnired ? Was the loyalty of the Catholic Hier. arehy impeached or impeachable ? He would challenge any man to produce a single instance of disaffection among the Catholic Bishops — tiny. Instance in. which they had acted or at. -tempted to act against the Goverment: On the contrary their fidelity to the State : Was do conspicuous, their exertion in support. of the Government so signal, 'during the trying pe. - rind of the insurrection, that it was notorious they were deriuunced among the leaders of the re. bellion as " Orange Bishops," as strenuous advo. cates for the views of Government. 'WhY tictn demand any additional pledge of loyalty from such men ? Why ask of them that, which in fact, could not be granted without the consent of the Pope ? If this Veto were sus material, Why did not the Ministers of this country, as statesmen, seek that object when it was more in their power to (obtain it ? 1V by did they not avail themselves of tlt opportunity, when the Pope was p rotected 'by British troops, to look for this guarantee for British power, which was never regarded is Su es. aential ? But the opportunity was gone hy, and there was no prospect of accomplishing the Ob ject. It was known that Louis XIV., with touch greater _means of securing success, swig• gled' in vain for Oa saute object ; and how could we then flatter ourselves that it was at• fainable to us, particularly under existing eirentres stances. In fart the Irish Catholics could toot ac.. cede to the proposed grant of a Veto, without giving 'up their spiritual communion, witltuut ac tually al creed. it therefore• quite a/ Wm' shansloning Muir creed. it Was, therefore, ibsurtfto calculate upon siteh concession.