The Statesman. — London, England, 1822-05-01 00:00:00

esteM Oftior power. It _ se of Peen upon the impeachment of Mr.. at a precedenrwas endeavoured to be draw it of Lord Stealbed; when the continousco roe Isaac-of the attainder was 'aged, discussed. seldom, who was no friend to Popery. sad Lord , who hod certainly not transmitted say such o his descendants, delivered their opintoas I . the inaocenee of Lord Strafford. Lord Kenji's she precedent, and said that whatever might redone While the passions were warm aad pre geosig, be most think of Lord Strailbed, that as .8o man, when reason had regaised her 0 voila not agree with Idm in proaeoncing stiun to have been a species of legal weeder. he Honourable 31r. would set this he evidence of Titus Oates. and he was sure must agree with him, in concluding that one Peers had been exelnded from the enjoy. their jest rights ostler false pretences. The Lords were induced to cast then' frosn their ho er the dread of the Papists Plut, and Lord Steal novence now stood clear to the world. Upon Ands the Parliament ought to repeal the Bill. gist to do so because a violence had been done ot rights ind privileges, which, according to r of the house, ought not to be touched hot wills This resasratiun of right in individuals could iii without detriment to the State, and without le to Isearshernings amongst any portion of le, subjects. He most say that the case of these rsons stood upon grounds very different from ie general Catholic body. There was a great e between eligibility and possession. No one mere reaelify than he slid the right of Roman lietstlusion tout in that house. Het it was an right, end sow that was always clogged with oadt%tows. But in the case of the Peer they s him Isis direct possession. to which lie was by birth. And as there was • difference right, so, there was In the indiction of the. If a penes *u not eligible to sit house of thrombosis, he might be debarred her maser; he might be a revenue officer, ,ight toot Inv* the good fortune to be cho i did not boor with !dui an imperishable mark elusion. Withtlse Peer this mark was indeli hoever nab the'Coronet upon Lis brow, whoever s proud tides erinnterated, saw and heard the his diegissee. How much more cruel, then, deprivation ts him. They had taken'frosu him ght, and inflisoed open him • wrung and a die- IV hid! Ise could sever hide or 11•11140 to feel. If Isis ere emitted, they Would only then be doing slice to the parties who had snffered. They had fifty yeats tokile great allowances bad been other. knacks •f the Catholic body. They üby the Went apectators of the benefits granted and if. they should slow receive that , benefit rev, by an naailltorised prosy, he would not said be witlkontiVeir countenance, bat 'certainly baring p.vitei . pated in originating the request. wished to cdperie to the lion. Member for So. sire, to whom he was . much indebted for the kind ix which belied been mentioned by hint, that be he had made out exactly such a case as he had be necessary fur the :access of the present mo le haul craw* it clear diatincticsa bet* ern this and era; claims of the Citholic itedi ; such a case as x argued upon removed and separate iriaciples., ly as one canoe in Westniinster.ball could stand whir. He would venture to pledge his life, that ms shield be Inongt atoll argued beforellany tri r the mature. it wuttill hive • verdict in its (so- Coimar e i 1 413 :47, debt Ifs Jury were robe int-- ow the a of the nestoeu4oa of. thou be such • ney,,considering the lumen's,* of ',wl the innoseora of the proem sharers of his mt. would not fail unanimously to pronounce Ts, entitled tea restoration. • H. bogged to lo on the House, that the carrying of this motion sfstanafily include the rest of the- question,— sit that was n?w,,fils v,the great hody of the I? Not the exclusidis from olfice—Oot rick. this or that Harms - df Valli/meat t• but the the dirgreeled Mantle, which ws*conveyed byl shin. The Clergi of toiglaid whe ennobled I ti rig of their Bishops rutin topper House, tkOugh shvisail ware* by.. legislative ?sullying. eaclud places• in the lower. Os the same •grounds meanest Cath•lic 'participate is the stigma m thrown spew •mstit an illustrious character as of Norfolk by the beelusion, eve" though that had not biome!, the 'remotest prospect of ob. .n -Are of any drocAption. When a scheme osetl which considerably affected our eurrucy, en said thatit would Unease the Tabu of tie is pittance, and this circumstance was thought coutemptibk asgisnent in favoar of this mei- II in like manner the elevation DI the Catholic all be conferring i general beleftost On whole ithiAic body. He trusted he had dove right in ging into the general question; and in case he e met in the course of this debate by an user this slid in fact embrace the • whole'question t be t due to candour to state at on e, that he should eider his cause as gained.—(Cheers.)--He de. Soon' Irby Catholic Peers should be excluded ,ct oi4;haries v after they had bees expressly re r that of iitisabet It ? The oaths administered to dies, by their enactments, went of two sone.— re considered as tests of allegiance; others were try purpose of eulogies, sustaining Catholicism well a condemnation, and locansistent with al- The oath of Elisabeth was framed with a Le admission of those who could take it; but 'harles was intended to be an erclusion, for it known to be an oath which no Catholic would he measure imposing the latter oath, was sub y a new hill, though it reinforced the onda Ole . It had been declared to be a new bald die f the debates upon it ; and he therefore 'formed, w h e th er th a t was a w i se p o licyl e ht led the provisions of the Act of MOW to the pacts of Queea Elisabeth ? Why were they not for one of two reasons, to exclude the they 'lurk, or in consequence of the disclosure of the dot ?If the latter, was the asser tion of the Et. I 1 that plot to be believed? Had the Catholic that day been justly or unjustly impeached? If why exclude the present Peers; and if jostle s the Peers i n question not been brought to trial; le that one of them bad been brought to trial ; nuld put it to the candour of any man whether cence of that one bad not been completely este. And, assuming his innocence, was it to be I the Catholic Peers of the present day were to did, because one of their number had been un it to death ? In readmitting them, in render hoznage to justice there could be no possible 1 the precedent, for the whole question was ad o !Lis instance to be one of expediency. He well aware that in conceding it to be a condos 9e.acy, be was con s id era bly an d ers t at i og t h e this case on the question of right. But he dis the discussion of the abstract question of right, X did so merely because upon the particular -Laces of the case he placed it on the question of 'ay; and he trusted that even on this groood he itive the good f ortune to ga i n t h e op i n i on of the i e was satisfied that appeals to former times teller habit s were sometimes dangerous, and were to ohjection; but he could not resist the in. ahe felt to make such appeal. His appeal bow s front the times of Titus Oates to those of Ell- STATESMAN. eateries of Titus Oates. When they were looking at the conduct of their forefathers, they should not permit themselves to be diciited by reterence only to the acre of (kites, but'to the erinduct and character Of those seh . established that. relit itin, Imiql'te. th e situation ander which them eniibtiquditithey iad agreed in, took place. I --(Hear, heir.) . 1 1Y Ce:tifd" bast 'liii i repected that insider ,einitld agree oh ilswiiiihkt . 4 Perry fact. !'. • . " —e..TlQes willAital.emolems can, . &Heeler& Roth - toe mid tielleeteg ad." , A. muelt &Bullion, lied mode m that plot, he would ask thq Heine ti take all tb,P..cirettutstances ander its contd.' deratioo . deratioo. Re 'Oaf iaaNy to etieehat it was a dune of falsehood..l'il.there were. et ere, ,circunistances which' operated upon the nation at that tint,. It seas a period which Illscitstone had considered to be one of the greet is , I e at Constitutional perfection, : and which 31r. Fox had Ahoracterizeil *lithe ere of good htwouil hail tiavernment. —(lf , er, hetw.). le the, short space of eight years Charles 11. by a dea;..ration, which appeared to be for. the benefit o f Dimentem i het which, in fact, was in tended for the ailvaritakee of the Monsen Pathoiics. hail atteMpted t.; relax the Li f e against than. But the di.. sentera saw thr o ugh [Tie - arglier. and refused to accept any relaxation which would haye the effect of iuereasing the power of the Roman Catholic's. He asked ,if the House recollected the secret . treaty with Louie XIV. which u as delailett in the letters of Coltuau in the leers 1675; when i plan use arranged for destroying that pestilent heresy, as it was called, which then isfect eil the mirth of Fliiitw. The letters of Colman stated that the Duke of York was engaged in that plan. The house should refer to these as well as to any other his torieal farts of that time. If .hey referred to a treaty made in liii2, between Charles 11. anii . Lottis XIV , it would find that the King of Great Britain was engaged in the work of securing the lioniee Catholic iteligioo and converting his subjects. One condition of the treaty was, "It is therefore agreed that the King of France shall furnish the sum of '200,01101., and further assistance with troops and money, in case the subjects of the King of England oppose him in his !plan fur the restoration of Catholicity." Virus six learn before - the Act in [peados was passed a seeret article e xisted between these Monarchs for the purpose of banishing the liberriee of this zoos. try, and to extirpate the protestant religion. And this. teasoll to he effected for half the tuna that iu the present: defy was expended on die Caledoniau Canal. The it,lvi i errs to that measure were Lords Arondel. Cli ff or d, an d I ! Arlington, who were all Rumen Catholic., Peers. The jealousy of the nation could nut be wondered at towards • any advicegiven by those Peers. this Right Honour. able Friend had attached inneli imeortance to an Act of ilea 'Lords in 1673. HP was fir from arguing the house,' of Curninons was not enti•led ro review anal alter at its discretion any former Acts,. hut he. would lay that if any Acts were sulfured to be permanent, it should be thus* that accompanied the Bill of Rights; which were celled for by the inteetione of James 11. to extirpate the Established Iteligiun ; and which lied the effect of giving to Ilse realm its distinct end Protestanteharacter. Them fOrsogelente arose tenni the canduct of the Stuarts—front the dangers which. threatened the liberties of the coon try foam Charles 11. end denies 11. The same great men who bad conducted the Revolutioo; bad esteblielt ' ed these priticiples, and which he trusted the Lain.. 16 . 0t1111 routimie to recogoise and to cliferish. With re. *pert to the argument of his Right Hon. Friend, as . to,the adtuissibility of Hewett Catholic Peers to the Co ronation, he could only say that he was witting to allow them every privilege diet was not imeerfaparible with the Censtinatitim If they were told , they weave* be exchttird, emir/4y omatoomossof their religheit;Tfi%• Mikiiirueily twee been .disgriested. But if it wall explainia to them that this was essentially a Protesting Constitution, but altstetill there Wm - neetriiritTlini ideifiFildthe principle of extension farther then the ectnal necessity of die case rettllieslif, felno such a disposition, there had been giveitto the ,Bake of Norfolk, not what his Rig hellou. .F cii;s4 aalitm,l a" Wimp/try privilege," bat a distinguish ed booster—anti if 0 sareresponding honour had been COD litrrail.so another • Liman Catholic , Peer (the Earl of diagal, be hopedirieftilkittflon. Friend would view t he question in a different :light, and not urge the necessity uraiquore enlarged eleteention,—(Hear, bear.)-At would ite lbostanittet and sevareof soloweseveltatever was to be shoien to Rom u Catholics. I( vise overivoesiog loyalist werri qk pa faell#ifies UNA loielt, bailee Fin il: and i iscoeer something io the merits of the 'Ord di St. liiiiiii:Viti pelmet him from being made a member of it, lie (air: reel),wes quite sure that We house . rail' Ciiiiiitry - wotstiet goon hear an end of COlN plaints against b" ry'hnil intolerance. His Right lion. Friend hill refereed to the stranyremtete of legis lation upon the subject.- Would the present measure af fgril a case for . egy (existing anomaly with \respect to it ?" Certainly ,nht. By Ilia Bill the ltouian.ceWillc Peers of 'lreland wereeligihle' to tit' in th e fieusesrPeers, but airy mitt( not be returned tithe Howie ()Minimal; be. emote they refused to,,solangibeialto anntel teats. Here Thin his a Manifest anomaly; the flomau Catholic , Peers of Ireland were turned back f rom the House of Commoos because, tests' wet', required, while they were Lation,itted int i o thq . boas. of Lords. balms* there they were not called upon to make any declaration. And again, if Roman Catholic Peers were to be celled 'rime to advise their Sovereign in matters relating to the Est* blished ChurctiL-" de rebus ertinciatibas ad e.-:leria,p Angelicanant," in will situation must they he placed by the Bin ? Would it be right to render the Doke of Noe fellemempetent to lilt the, highest situation in the House' of Peers, and yet at the saute time render him incompe tent to receive o theielighteetsoark of confidence from the Sovereign by an ollial - situation ? This was a st i rong Itrgoinentakainst fliig Bill, and showed the propriety of 'waiting till tliewillble qnestion was brought under ceim ssideration. There were many tientleinesAle flint iletiee' oleo opposed (lie Roman Catholic alaims upon pribell olr.. and he was sure they would oppose dim pretest proloteition. Before be concluded, .he triplictl' to address a few Words to his opponents. There were,' made advocates for the Roman Catlilic why . thebelit that the' result of the illscuosion upon tlin`quele Simi albite claites, ought to be iii the langinge id the. diesolitioaolhioßight Hoe. Friend, " • final and cone Mliatory arningtinent." To those .lie would tiny, that the arrangements contemplated by this Bill could not be final., There were ethers who were pf opinion that teliiii the question was ilieciissed the whole of thelito matt Catholic Church all Over the world ought to be brotight • meter consideration, in melee to decide noon what mcovities <Melo to be reenired. The Bill of last' Selminagootained a provision for secaritire, •and he ,would, ask those win thought that they were necessaro, whether it would he wise when the general question was to he firoaght forward six months from that time, to pass a partial measure, Whisll provided no seenritlep svinttioever ? —(1 tear, hear.) • If this Measrore wire sand .tioaell by the Howse: he what eitna.iun would the advae .4 teerfer secariticsil, plsesdhe *n sconorities came to by (,whaled- %You'll they: not naturally he soh!, " you bare ediakttedoinepart of th e R oma n C a tholics by here oiitary. rig it to one branch of the Legislature, without requiring any security 1 why then is security required of the' real? " And when the Reereemitatives of ijor 'people ivere only 'retnrned to that ii.mar for seven yeats, broi us, it the end of that loerin , l, sent back to their con gamest*, would. it not be .theidious to elemend.eriewri ties from. RoatimeCaelwilic.ldeuthers. while Rotnandelie tholic Peers were allowed to si; • for life is the othei House witliont giving any secarities at all? The King alight select the Duke of Norfolk, the Earrof Shrew* bury, Lord Clifford, tied atone other Itocuan Catholic refried objects of Rakel favour. but woe! I not this b' drawing an invidious line of distinction with respect to tbi . . ,great body of that comesenity. There ergo these who , owisteuiplated the greatest deem from Ircland.li the claims of the Rumen Catholics were not conceded. Atoll who said 'hot it was vain to. appeal to the Protestant Constitution of the State as an argument Against the admissibility of the great body of the t el. to all the rights and privileges which their fellow subjects enjoyed. He was not disposed to excite soy un fair prejudice, but he could not by any means sanction the opinions which these advocates advanced. lint there were others. who, like his Right floit.Pridnd (the Member fur fife. University of Dublin), ergited the gees. upoo the greatest and most coustatoinspil principle --eitamety, thei.pliment right whirh existed to every mils. jert to isdiiiissibility to office, whateser might be his re- Ifigielts .titeeta.-e[The Right Itueoutable ,Oentleinan here read ate Cattail fiesu the speech delieerrel, by Mr. Pleokett last *Newt, which urged the subject a right to all Lis cenetiPuienal privileges . in is , free ,slonarrhy like that of EnglawiLJ—But it the right of .admissi .hility to the House of Lads were mire. p.smtioned, Ices. it not wiwug. be .would ash, to pastleAc• fur a 'mature t, the right. of admissibility ..tst • the House ,of Gunosons 3 • Let it out thee .big; PabtPaned. — The object of, thimaildress sc..* not so mach io exclude Romeo Catholic Peers from seats them ber House, het to endeavour, if be could induce the home to post pone the consideration of their use till diet:Woe of the general body of the Roman Catholics, were considered, and corresponding securities given. it. was certain that his Right Lou Priemd would not give sly advan tage to the Catholic question at theospease of those great constitutional principles which alone ought to guide thy house in their decision respecting it. As fur himself be should not endeavour, to get rid of the motion by moving the previous question, he should meet it in the fairest manger.--(Cheers from the Opposition lienches.)—lie should pursue new the same course he lash always done; a n d disclaiming all codes prejudice, lie felt himself called upon to give the ototimk his de cided negative. . Lord F. Otlit - Ell supported the motion, and observed, that be sairtigsted it as a great act of justice, which 'vtail be attended with no clanger to the country. It the Peers whom the measure would admit into the House of Cords were the veriest Jesuits bred its the recesses of the : Escurial, lie•hmild still support the motion, with the Iconviction that it would be perlectly safe. Lord contended that tht v•stiictions nn the llommi Catholics was au anonaly in the British • Cowl Wien, and stood onsapported by •ny out doctrine laid &Iwo by, our greatest lawgiver ,, .. Tae, claims of the Catholic, Were fonoded in clrar matter of right, and could only he rejeeted upon scats ease of great danger befog nimle,Out. Ne such ate bad been, or in Ida toPi nion could be mad,: nut. Let them look at the great nattres whose lower to serve tht jr•Bing and country was thrown Into Use dark by than Ji,:hilittes. I'hsu tjtl: s were so malty memorials of the glory of England, and he did not rave thatistan's feelings that could drive them into disfranchised solitude. 'flie strong conch.- lion he retained that whatever subject disc/la:gad his duties as a eitilieo wage:Aided to the privilege of being a litatesuien, °doom' him to tale that view of this qtrs. thin which he was then advocating. For the sake of the noble persons themselves him did regret that this question bad lime agitated. Fen its space of a century and a half they had stood at the bead of their sect fur purity and integeity el motive. They had Melt told that it was without their knowledge or consent that Co:s question:Wm breeght forward. If he had here jtal'44l*.-listiLlta-8.4114.1,13.4" 11;0'mi/sou. disclaimer made to hint by a Noble . frieml of his. He aia. nut mention names, however, from ma fives of delinve4 Uteiltihriabl appear invidious to the rest of that bokhet+wbir itltrwas lure, felt equally soli einens dee the visslfdre of their fellow roissitrymen. He should give his' vete for the motion, from a conviction that the thortidtif of widely his Rielit Hon. Friend the Member for - Hublin (Mr. Plunkett), had given notice, would Pone 'than a twelvemonth be carried triuni "bandy. He had hoped that the visit of the King of these realms to his Web dominions, bad been the herald of peaks Mid emancipation: However it might not be apparent, he wis uoovinced it was only delayed, not dest royed.' • • • • Mr. WA RRIt begged to remind the Right Hoe. Oen demon (Mr. tPeklySelvose historical knowledge was so great of that' period of our histort, when upon Queen Elizabeth being attacked by a 'combination of three o f the most powerful Catholic Potentate` of Lireige do minions, she (those** an Ambassador tb represent her interests, a CatholierNobleman. 'Mat Nobleman was Lord Montag-IV; whm had frequently expressed his vio lent Catholic irrinelples in Parliament. Ha mentioned :this to slice; that .thet shrewd Princess did not think Catholic priricillies •inconsistent with the most perfect political lieneitp Regarding the state of persecution in'whieli the Reined Catholic Peers were living, he was entivioced that Hi they warted and erivbhdied thetas in the LeTislature Mitt trbitld find them most useful and faith ful ineinhersof it. Mr. MARTIN (of Galway) anpported the motion. Mr. PLC NKRTV began by stating that, as his Right Hon. Friend had.eirtelusted the present question, ver:- little remained faritlet to say Upon it ; indeed; he shoal not now hare tebtibled'the house with any ohme;.• ration, were it tVol'illti:its IM had given notice of bring in; the general'qtivitionforWartt , next Session, a notion might go-forth litette'considered • the present measure o as immaterial wet* he to —remain latent upon it. He most, tliereforeinkgative any inferenciof that kind, by declaring that'll, fully concurred its the measure now prioposed by his Right Hon. Friend.'in t, i ls_e course of '.the lest Session felled thoughtyrepesefoienimit to that , •house what•leffeelisidered an essential - act of justice to- Wertk the great body of the 1• Catholics; yet though that Measurewas carried, there were ab many embarrassments !brownie the way of it% that it was tiltimttely lost. He ' Jed not moan to say that tile meastote blot heart unfairly dealt with, Int many Catholics objedted to it on account ef the protitious it contained, and in , these objects they went encouraged by the enemies of the Inexture. On the • .presentocearion, however, lie was he to be relier..l • from all'emherrassments, because the pt . eient was a die. tints proposition, having. for its objeet oothing morn than to reslore certain Peers of thi. realui to their here direr?' honours, rights, and pririieget.—(Hear, hear.) 'These imlividtta, lead already had a certain portion of their rights restored to them; they had • ohtaitteil the privifege of being the advisers of the Sm:errig in Conn ' ell •• awl Mirka was now a•lic,l for was to allow them to holfreptiblic advisers of the Uoverrytientin Parliament. (Hear.) —N., ill consequence had arisen from allowing sheet to be Privy Counciilors ; and how toald it be shown that any i:an., ‘ -er would result from allowing them to be Legislator.? I t was said that the pr'esent formed a part Of a general me s ure; bet that was no ground of objec tion, partienlarly so, when it was considered that that House, bad already agreed to the general measure. He was gia,l indeed to find this measure brought forward in such a shape and form, add Such a spirit of justice, that the Members of the other House, as men of honour, as gentlemen, vs friends to the Constitution, were called on not to shin their doors ai,eainst those who claimed to be iolmirted among them in ri:tue of their hereditary rights. Parliament was now merely called on to reverse an .let of Attainder which had been passed in a spirit of injustire, and which reminded one of some of the most aboetint.ble measures that ever stained theaonals of the emortry. That Act was passed because the Pretemler '0 the Throne was a Catholic the innocent bra rods of the heg;sieture was attainted and penished, merely see •aorontrt of the guilt of another branch: and 'was it fit that the Ouija/true:it thus inflicted on innocent men ..----- stiiet b , from . the Peers of Charles to those of our earlier aerators, and he called epee that Howie to - perform to-' wards the Catholic Peered the present day, as act of retribution for the cruelties whiels . haskbeen practised on their ancestors; so act which Was expedient on the score of pulley, Atli tibli on'thiliaFt tif ili enmity, and' In the name of god sinetjett.• - The: Hoc tiontlemso then, amid the cheers of the Honer, moved— " That leave be gives to bring inn Bill for repealing Of much of an Act pealed in the 31)th.yeer of the reign Of King Charles th e Served. as eselediti Woman Cat"' Ile Peers from sitting in the l'lntfier . of Peers." The Hon. 0. A. ELLIS seconded the foot - lon. He was alweys of opision that the gennesilenniEre of removing the Catholic disabilities, nal a meanies of right and of justice. The part of that question rniiiiii,was then be-.: fore them had en additional clams at* their favour, inas- , much as it related to an exclusion whisib had its origin in a plot whirl, was supported by' ilierillrr• and in the existence of w hi c h nu one at present b:dieved. lie hoped the stain would soon be removed from the statute I book. He recollected a saying of that spirited defender of the Protestant weed's • y , Queen.Elizabeili, who be ing advised to a d m i n i ster olios Tied Oath to sloe Catholics, replied—that she bad better incline of ascertaining sloe loyalty of the Peers.—He would give his . warmest sup. port to the motion. On floe question being rot by the SPEAKER. Mr. PEP.I. rose and said, that if his Hight Helmer. able Friend knew the full extent of the ri I godlier tinder whirl' he laboured, he would soderstazd a parr of the difficulties which affected him on rising on that uer.t- I aim'. Difficult it w a s t o ma k e en a pp ea l to the sober reason of the House, when their feelings have been worked u;oron by the persuasive elooq.:enee-Lwhen . their 'minds were dazzled by the heillisrlicy of his Right Hoe. Friend. Ills Right lien. Friend bail, in the -concluoion of his speech, stated the grounds on which . be wished .the question to be treated. lie radii not avoid saying, that as the challenge was given by,his ;Hight Honour able Frienol, hoe should have left to oihrys the choice of the ground and the weapons. Bet 'le would endeavour I. confine himself to the limits trblelf Were prescribed. In the first place, he contended, that the House should not make a distinction between the dahlia of the Homan Catholic Peers and the people of that persuasion. The proposition which he was anti, ..A to establish was, that they sl 1.1 not open time other House to the Roman Catholic Peers, when they continued at the same time to close the doors of the House of Commons against the , other classes of that persnasion.' First' of all with re spect to the competency of that breech of the L-gis. lature to originate a measure for the regaled** of the other which his Right lion. Friend had 'pissed on the ground of precedent ; the only presnlynt which on the slightest degree could be relied upon as similar, was the Act of the Commons, in the , thus of Charles 11.14 which I spiritual Roman Catholic Peels were excluded front the Upper Eonse. He must protest against the admission of that Act as a precedent, because it•hrhzienSted in peculiar sissi extriordistery amputees's...Kik/a.) I u the year 1640 immediately before tint ,lirerdsiug out of a civil war, the House of Consumes posers! a Mill for the exclusion of Roman Catholio Peers i that was the only ground on which the precedent could'be adopted. -- , (Hear, hear.) With respect to the Act 'of the With' of Charles 11. he would ask did his Hon.'Prieid go to the entire length of repealing that Aet,!-(fireas.) It did out exclusively affect the Peers.—(Hear.). .Tie Homan. Catholic laity men were initially conipridiseelini by it; the tests were imposed, the same declarif(ione ain't. transubstantiation were enacted against but t ear.) He Would hslc his Right 'Hon. Friend If be Id *tan/ on the ground of piseingehe Peers end 1 1 /k Tololoolll' 0114 he same footing.—(Hear.) His RighoHistaorteiend nail mtgeed.,tlsatin *filet, Roane Cletholit-ifeete. • not excluded from seats in Parliament V.I,11;116. e (Mr. Peel) however, considered that the Romeo ' 's twor ia. Peers and Commons were placed on the same tooti a exaCtly by the Act of the 30th of Charles 11. Lail go_ 'ion the argument was that the Roman Catholic Peers and CO l lllOOOll had but one claim, add 'that 'AO le were equally entitled to a participation- in, she-i ' seats of the Conatitetien.—(Hear„hisarp,imee.)- al e would refer to.tbe s p e ech 0 1 the MEW &W. Arlikteif s' the Uoieersity of f)ublin ( Mr. Plaskett.) Hi sit awed' that Roman Catholle Peers , had sat in this house, add that they were entitled to ao so soder the Act, Ottlle Masi Charier the Second. 'lt wan evident !tear 1 cue of Sir Solomon Swale in 1677. He woodtpell .lot for being a papist, isat bemuse be had a itoone on, was Sir Robert Sawyer's argument epos 41- .. 1; o on, Member for the University of Dublia.was apt at with this Particular ease, bin he went on: to s the' very title dais Act' f the 30th of Charles' he Sewed. It war stated to be one for the more effeettielly Peolleolingthe Kiiit's-Gaverninebt from the diabolical of popish& to subvert it. His aritura•wrwas It i rtr:re woo so onausios till.the year 1766- IN 4411 a jpecial.case is now wanted so be made oat, that of "MS. lkiale is totally forgotten, !mil an attempt was now. made 'hi show that a paiticillai distinction existed between the i .teerearta the Comtions. All that he (Mr. Peel) ;WI Aa r was, when siclo bppesite arguments were bra lit Vet sea high aithotity is his Hon. Priced and the VOL Ilatenber for Dliblin, he felt theditticulty of coming M a condition when their opinion* were thus coop'. ed,---(Hear, hear.)—Though be differed with his .hfon. Friend on the propriety of the house of Cernmene qow originating a measure to regulate the Upper bowie, he wasbound on bold constitational principles to any' that the boom of Commons were equal to originate• id} le gislative enactment. Parliament had on other exclaim' , Interfered with the house of Peers, on the Unioa. in the! introduction of Irish Peers to that house. With respect to the Scotch Peers, his Hon. Friend had not informed them what provision he intended.—(Hear.)—He eionld wish to know if he had it in contemplation to extends* them the same privilege as to the Irish, or was Its in clined to repeal the Act of Union, which disqualified all Scotch Roman Catholic Peers even from the pow* of nomination. A conditiou of the Act of Union was, that no person, being a papist, could sit in the house of Le gislation, or hare a voice in deciding upon the affairs of the realm. He wished to have it observed, that he re. (erred to that period for the purpose of showing that there was out then recognized any intention of ever again bringing Roman Catholics into power. Lord Stoners was floe who had assisted in settling the Act of Union. The others who joined him in the measure, and the liog's Ministery of that day, wished to destroy the principle of an inherent right in the Catholic No bility, and wished to do so for ever. bloat was the me mashy of making an application of the present nature, or why they were called on for relief? Sinai the year . ISt*, when Mr. Pox had brought forward the question, and when Mr. tirattsn joined to support it to.the present moment, no proposition haul helm snide to the effect of that now before the house.—(dear, hear.) -31r. Plane kett had given notice that early in the next Session he would bring the entire quest' under their consider- 1 atien—and were they not asked now at the cloak.; of this . Session, to agree to a measure simply fur the purpose to giving a few Peers the right to sit in Parliament during the recess, when the House did not sit at all.—(tlear, hear.)—lie owned, notwithstanding the eloqnent and ^ impressive speech of his Right Hon. Friend, he could not see that any cue was wade for the House of Com mons to agree to a peculiar measure. —(Hearj—Anotber branch of his Right lion. Friend's argument, and which no doubt he had must successfully treated, was a refer ence to the period of oar history when those disabilities were imposed. His Right Hon. Friend had endearourml ~ to attach all the odium entertained against the Papists in the time of Charles 11. so the plots and pretended die- ,~*~ I