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i - .1-, ‘, i ~' F .. ' T 1 settiOs.. by many t persoos tefi . ititey reqr u'ioetrag the 'aunty ft . ~a here , , with *Kith he relined to . co mply. If a Sheriff oessetsed any such discretionary power,' it mutt hesorecented be derived from the Act passed in the last Session of the late Parliament for regal. lilting piddle meetings; far before that Act was pooled, it 'wall of no consequence thit a Sheriff* refused to eaU. • meeting, because it was in that ease immediately convened without his con sent by the parties who signed the requisition. 'tither the Aet to which . he alluded was in progress, it wee mid' to be designed for the preservation of tPe tight af the people to meet—for their pfotec {on hi the- eireregc,bf that right—and to give to Cii4Nty meetings • greater degree of importance ' afro they before possessed. Such was the lan , guoge thea held out by Mioisters ; thererore, as it • appeared to him, so far from such aii exercise of power as had been practised by these Sheriffs being sanctioned by law, it would, if carried to that ex tent, hale the effect of defeating the right of pe titiobitig altogether. He begged it might be um. sterstood that it was not with any intention of at tackilig or complaining of Of Act of Pirliament that he brought forward this subject ; but he hoped that, if it pottld appear that the Act did in any • &ois* authorise such an exercise of discretion on Ithe part of the Shenfl., the House would amend modifylhat Act, so as to place the question '' - iii S proper and 'dear point of view. The Hon. 'Gentlemau Nailer disclaimed any view in bring. iiisg the question before the !louse, of keeping alive • the feelings which agitated the country at present, and concluded 'by moving— . " That the Petition of certain Freeholders of the County • of Chester, preionted to the House on Friday lam, and cum ' pilierue of the condole. ash, High Sheriff at a late Meet fagot that County, be referred to a Select COOSSIIIee, to consider and report thereon." Mr. DAVENPORT asked whether this motion was nut in substsuce the same as that of winch had been giveu by the Honourable Member for Appleby ? Mr. 13sattaosie said, that his object was not the mine as that of the Hon. Member for Applehy. He believed the intention of that Hun. Gentleman to be n to ,effect the removal of the High Sheriff from his office. Mr. CILESVEY said, that he had understood the intention of his lion. Friend (Mr. Beaumont) to lie n tp obtain the decision of that House upon the plower of Sheiiffs to refuse to call county meetings, and that such iutrionois had beret suggested by the 14 recent conduct of the Sheriffs of Gloucester, Northuusherlawd„ Kent, and Berkshire. The f• 116011 "Inch had induced him to give notice of a. motion relative to the conduct of the Sheriff of the county of Chester, was,•that liming already exercised his discretion in calling , the. ineetiug, lie had unduly exercised his dor -. cretien iu refusing to put the question on an amend omit to the original motion which was proposed to the meeting, and he therefore thought there was . sufficient ground to make his conduct the Pubject of the censure of the House. But the manner in winch his Hon. Frieud had worded his present mo--. 'boo seemed in fact to give it the same effect as he .Vlr. Creevey) had intended for his own. •,, r , /word CaIerLERBAGII said, he apprehended that I:04,010 , 10n now made, and that of which th e 11 0 e. Member for Appleby had given notice, were so liar congenial motions, thin they bids went to the con . i,tlpct of an individual, and both comprehended an ..taquiry into the Paine trausrction, imposing upon • , thrt individual ill onerous task of exculpating him self from ceinure. But before the House would make any order of this kind, which would subject no individual to very serious inco , venience and ex. :robe in attending berme a Committee, and bring illy', up witnesses front a distant lout of the country • to give evidence of the transaction, lie thhught it .was essentially toecerssry that it should be put iu . pussessiim of the fullest information that could be tteri red from a clear sold complete itatrineitt of ilia occurrences out of which there mottoes mi( ripe. . Hr could a-sure the House he did not melee these lilist tvataos.s with a view to encourage any indis swam tou the pint of Sheriffs, or coy improper . intro ference in• fir deltherationio of the country:* but he would submit atwitter it would not be ‘ti better to let the mane! AMUd as it is at present until the I louse is better itifurtneil. Mr. BittUaloNT, In consequence of the observe. toyer that had been made, had no objection to pust iwswr a future day. Air. Dtivatsa wished to make a few rrinatks on the rul4ect before the House. It could not have osi aped the noire of the House, that in the county nkliesex the Sheriffs, iio coosseqmnice of 301• s istegulsrity iii the Rsquisitien, refused to call a • yuinie alerting. He had a communic•nion (win .Alr. Sheriff IVa:thtuao, stating. that should the . gut-Atkin relating. to the conduct of Shetiffs be • jmought,before the Hume, he had. some papers to -• • i k ulnuit to them explaimug his motives. It was a „measure of the utmost importance; butt Its did not , *ink it wjis necessary that a legislative measure vilionld . he introduced. The law of the case was sufficiently explicit, and he should be suety its Ins trust mg legielative measure to noterefere with old eatabhshed . cus,toons,--/ Bear, hear. i-1-1 e was I happy ,to hoar the declaration of the Niible Lordn Viet no . obstruction should be throws' this way n but that assertion came rather etrangehuifset.islad • n be had,himself witoesscd.in.HoMpabiee, Whew some of big Majesty's Ministers attended, not indeed to huppott the meeting. but to get up a counter Re. quivition.—(llear, hew.) The motion was postesooed. SCOTCH JURIES. Mr. MUMMY rose to bring before the House call the intention of the House. In the year 1701 a statute was passed in Scotland, which limy be called the Habeas Corpus of that coun try. According' to this Act a prosecutor may be compelled by a criminal to bring him to trial. This undoubtedly was a great advantage, mud was a powerful s:!curity to the liberty of the subject ; but it sometimes imposed the greatest hardships, ill consequence of this compulsion fisll4 lug on persons who were utterly unable to defray the expense of a prosecution. This then was a serious inconvenience, which should be removed; be therefore wished the provisions of the Act should be extruded. But there was another point of the utmost importance, to which he prayed their atten tion. According to the criminal law of Scotland, the puilishment of all offences that do not fall within the statute, it vested in the breast of the Judge, sod this punishment is most protect ly deno minated by Scotch lawyers " arbitrary punish. 'neut." With the sole option and discretiom of the Judge rested the power of banishment, fur 7, 14 years, or for life. He did not mean to insinuate that this power had been abused, but he thought that the'present state of the law required the in tervention of the Legislature. And with respect to the law of libel, in England the second offence of a seditious libel was punishment by benishineni, but in Scotland that punishment could be inflicted on the first offence. There have been instances of this kind, and ut present there was an instance of all individual suffering the penalty of five years' imprisonuient. He next complained of the exteii. sive power of the Lord Advocate. When Cu indi vidual is indicted for any crime, if there should appear an informality in the proceeding, lie can immediately apply for a change of terms, and thus in this way there have been instances known where in a trial for sedition a prisoner has been brought to the bar, in consequence of an infor mality sent away, and afterwards brought back. This combination of political and judicial power was, in his mind, highly inj urious.—(Hear, hear.) — He would now proceed to the more immediate question which was before the House, be meant the manner in which Juries were chosen in Scot land. The law and practice of Scotland was this: Forty-five persons were returned by the Sheriff; who came into Court on the day upon which the Assizes are held, and eighteen persons are selectee! to try the cause. Then take ally circuit. there are gene rally four counties within the jurisdiction, and forty. five persons are chosen from each, making 180. Then the Judge goes the Assizes, and the list of 180 is handed to loin. He selects from these forty five persons, and from these the persons who are to try any particular cause. Now again, he wished to state that he did not impute to the Judges any abuse of this discretion, but he thought that even the possibility of abuse should be removed.— ( Hear, hear.)—Surely if there were any country where Juries should be chosen with the strictest imparti they, it was that where the life of en :fedi vidual may depend on the will of one man. The remedy which lie wished to propose was this: that instead of this nomination eii the presiding Judge, the Jury should be chosen by ballot, and that there should be a small amount of peremptory challenge allowed to the parties. The prosecutor should have the right of peremptory challenge of three jurors, and the priiiouer the 11.11nr. It may be asket4 why unt extend the perenivory clialleeige beyihul three ? If they be good fur any thing, they must he good if extended greeter lengths. He would be most happy to mend it, but he W0111(1 not ask too much. He was iiire the respectable Judges who presided in these Courts would br glad to be relieved Camp the iespeinsibilety, said the greatest possible advantage would be con ferred on the country. The Hun. M e mber eluded by inosilig—•‘ F u r leave to bang in a Bill fur the better regulating the appoiuturiesit of Juries to the criminal law in Scotland." Lord BINNING lamented the absence of the Lord Advocate most sincerely, and the snore in on account of the various matters with winch his Hon. ' Friend had thought fit to preface his inidirro, otrs;vations winch c. rtainly had no immediate bear ing on the question before the House. He h,ll out the presumption to suppose I elf capairle of re pl) i irg to all the statements of the Hon. Mover, and for this additional reason he regretted the absence of the Lord Advocate. The term of " arbitrary punishments" was introduced by that Gentlttnali to a manlier ti at could not fail to make a great sound - in the House, but he would state what they " really *rant : 'len the Lord Advocate (the pub lic prosecutor of the country) brings a person so a trial, and does not wish that the punishment of death should be resorted to, he then restrict' the punishritOt within the' discretion of the Judge, bind then that is what is termed " arbitrary punish. • meats." 'He !Wight that so far froda being se• *re, it was a lenient• measure. He would not 'iihjett . to• his Hon. Friend bringing in a fill 'aisdlievingiit read a first lime, awl as to whether rif *Mani* a•nalional advantage, lie would 'neither Aim( or droj ; but in the absence or ull . .knowledge I Mt the liohjeet; be would submit to the direiettnO ig. NV Hinhirribratl, Whether it' would... alt be better, irlie had i pnieticat Object iu view, merely to bring in Bill 'ad prtttept, and stiffer it to he on the table I to some ' Mr. M. A.1 . A11.0a complained of the Noble Lord accusing his Hon. Friend fur britii6o,l forward this measure in' the absence of the Lord Advocate, whose duty it was to 'attend* at his place s when a measure of such importance to the country over which he, in a certain manner, presided. was in troduced to the coasideratiou of the Houle.—. j.,-Ilelaintsclf sem present io,the Justiciary,. when a *elixir' trial oT great moment had tried : he alluded, to the ease .d Muir anti loom loud one of the first Lawyers in Englund, Samuel Roniilly, expressed the strongest ilia illation at the ;node of appointing the Jury, certainly the first Advocate that appeared at the Scald) bar, declared that the Court were ignorant of the law, to use language.; and wheu the question was ently brew& ender the consideration of (nose, it was trot without some difficulty e Scotch Judges gut clew off. He, there thought, that his Hort. Friend was perfectly 'iu bringing these matters forward. But, we are not to say one word on the sub. dm we be acquainted with the Scotch law, the absence of the Lord Advocate. H• support that doctrine when the liberty of the subject wax concerned; and he innat take leave to inform the Noble Lord, that, notwithstanding his statements, he should take the liberty of judging for himself.—(Hear, hear.) Mr. J. P. GRANT regretted the abseace of the Lord Advocate : but he hoped he would be pre sent on some future occasion when the question would be more fully discusaed. Hot he wished to correct en error in what lied fallen from the Noble Lord, who stated that restrictious were iutroduced for the purpose of preventing 'capitol punishments. Now he did not conceive that 'to be the case, and he thought that the Justiciary Court had ra tioned within these few years a lamer to which they were not entitled. Formerly tire utmost ex tent of their power was banishment out of Scot land : now they appointed a particular place, as in England. He would not detain the House longer, but would give all the support he could to the mo tion of his Hon. Frieud. Lord BINNING explained. He did not state that the Justiciary Court did trot exercise the punishment of transportation fur airy crimes, ex cept to prevent a capital punhhinerit. He knew there were many, and that sedition was one of them. The motion was agreed to without a division. Mr. CuRTIEs moved for the return of Foreign Corn and Flour purchased by the Victualling- Officeduriug the last three years, together with the ■mount, price, dates, &c. He wished to know from the Right Hon. Gentleman opposite (the Chatter 1- lur of the Exchequer), why Americas* corn' hail been supplied to the Colonies in preference to British ? The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER would state to the House the circumstance, from which the transaction arose. It was undoubtedly the wish of Ministers to supply the Colonies with British flour, but were induced to alter their opi- Moos from a representation that American curls could he kept longer in • state of p►eservation. Mr. CURWEN could not concur in the accuracy of the statement of the Right Hon. Gentleman, or rather hi* infrirmation, for all the American flour was kiln-dried before it came here, slid it was ow ing to this circumstance that it was longer prrserv. ed, but he could nut at all agree that the American flour was superior to ours. ' Mr. HuME rejoieed to find a disposition on the part of Minister* to supply the Colonies from that place where they could do it cheapest, •nd they should not be deterird fr it by ■ny clamour that might be raised, for nothing, ceitainly, could be of greater importance. Colonel DAVIES wished to ask the lion. Gentle man opposite when the officers appointed as Com missioners to inspect the militia in the lonian Islands would be recalled, as there was now 110 militia in existence ? Mr. GuuLeuart stated that these were persons on the staff, and it did not follow that because the militia was nut embodied, that they might not be in training. Mr. BROUGHAM wisl►ed to know whether he understood the Hon. Gentleman alight in stating that there was no militia tratuing ? Colonel DAVIE* observed that the matter would be soon brought before the House, and he thought properly, for it was considered a great grievance ; if no sslmry had been paid them he should nut oh ject, although still it would be a hard+hip, as offi cers going out there were promoted. A Captrio was imadt a Colonel, and so on, to the exclusion of others. Mr. GOULNURN observed, that • question had been put to him, which he could not answer within the limits which the House would u-ow feel disposed to permit; but when the qaestion was fairly before the House, every satisfaction should he given. Mr. CHARLES GRANT moved for leave to bring in • Bill foe regulating the office of Clerk of Assize, or ititsi Pries, vii Ireland. On the motion for reading the transfer of Mr. Grant's Bill a second time, for •ppltiug certain monies therrin n►enuoued for the service of the year 1841— Mr. CREEVEY ruse, and wished to know whether this motion implied soy grant of the public money, because if it did, he thought some longer notice should he given. Mr. C. GRANT observed, that he declined enter ing into particulars in order to more the time of the House. The case was this: Comunis•►unets had beau oppoititell to look into the affairs of the Regis trars in Ireland, and ce►tain abuses had been dis- I covered ; it is now intended that, instead of fees, there should be fixed salaries appointed to the office, and these salaries should be paid out of the Consolidated Fund, and the deficiency should be made up by an additional duty on stamps and legal proceed:ups. COMMITTFg OF SUPPLY. The CHAWCELI.OR of the EXCHEQUER moved, that the Order of the Day for going into a Com mittee of Supply should be discharged. Colonel DAVIES wished to know the reason why the public business was to be thus postponed from day to day. Ile objected to such unnecessary delaj s. Lord ARCHIBALD HAMILTON wished to know from the Right Hon. Gentleman opposite, whether there were to be •uy modification in the Malt Tax for Scotland ? The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER stated, that there would not. He h•d much information to lay before the House on that subject. PREVENTIVE SERVICE. Mr. WARRR referred to the very large establish } Sheet which was kept up on the coast to prevent mangling, and wished to know from the Right Hon. Geret.epopoete bow keg it %elks ',attendee-tette con. 11110e41 4 He was aware of the injury of stuogfling, and of the iteceaaity fur:protecting the revenue, and that while the expenses - of the Government were continued 011 the irresesit scale, lie could not call on the Right Hon. Geutlemaii for any reduc tion or alteration of the duties, which, perhaps, furnished one of the most cotteitiessible allurements to smuggling. lie would, however, willingly ask the Right Hon. Gentleman if he felt that he could at any coming petted isiriisiefrated to intro duce any remission or alteration of the revenue system, which hail already been cuntinued fur a considerable periud after the conclusion of the war, with the same degree of rigour as before ? He disliked the whole arrangements of the preven tive service. From Beacby Head to the Thames, he believed that there were about 5,100 persons employed on land and water in this service. He thought, as to the naval branch, that nothing could be worse for the habits of a midshipinen or young officer, than to be engaged in this service, away from any proper society, from the supetiutendence of the commanding officer, or any of those restraints which belonged to the naval service of the war; lie had no dread of any outrages being committed by the preventise force within the limes of neigh bouring district.; but with such an extensive her of coast as the country had to guard, was it to be hoped . that in no part of it aggressiotts would break out, considering the great number of persoas who were engaged in that service, and the way in which they were armed with pistols and cutlasses ? One word es to the Act brought in by the Secretary to the Treasury, and passed in the last Session. By the provisions of that Act, any person !slidinr a pint of spirits, though not engaged in smuggling, was sub jected to the penalty of 100/. A master of a small house had lauded nit the coast, and being searched by the revenue officers, a pint of brandy, or leas, was found in his pocket ; he was taken before a Magistrate, and the fine was demanded. The Act took away from the Magistrates the power of resole elm' or mitigation of the fine. The Magistrate withstood the application, though threatened with the consequences of disobedience to the statute by the revenue officer, because he knew the accused to be no smuggler, and he would not rum him, and cause the parish to (recharged with niainteming his family, as was sure to be the case were the pe nalty to be enforced. He &raged the occurrence of similar instances in other ports of the country. Si, G. Comeliest said that no officers were ap pointed as midshipmen in the preventive service who had not passed examination fur Lieutyitanto in the war service. Their education as seamen did not depend on their service in the preventive sys tem, which yet was the most honourable and useful way of employing them which had offered since the conclusion of the war; nor was it a service of such ease to protect the revenue as had been assumed. Several distinguished actions had been fought in it. The smugglers came down in large armies; the eonifict was conducted on an extensive plan gene rally, and there were regular returns etude of the killed end wounded, as in the war. If the protection of the revenue were to be given up, well and good, otherwise the preventive service must be kept om a respectable footing of force and discipline. The officers of that service messed together, mud their conduct had been highly creditable to them on every pert of the coast. It was not every where that so large a land force was needed as from Bcachy Head to the Thames; in mint oilier places smuggling was subjected to sea risks, and the preventive cruisers eurrouteled the 'slued ; but in the narrow of the Channel the cruisers were scarcely of any use, and it was impossible to cosi duct the service altogether upon a better plan than at present. Mr. Geettrem. wished to have some explanation upon the subject of old stores. He perceived in the accounts for last year two neon for old stores in the Naval and Ordnance Departments, the for mer 363,000/. the latter 285,000/. It did not appear .hat she sales had been conducted by public auction; and if riot, the public were liable to the effects of • considerable abuse, to which sales of old stores by private contract subjected them. Sir G. WARRENDER said, that he had no objec tion to giving the fullest explanation to the plan of sales by which the naval old stoics were disposed of. We understood the Hon. Member to state that the sales were public. Mr. GRENFELL expressed his satisfaction at the explanatiou its to the sales of naval old stores. He hoped for the like assurance with respect to the Oidnance Department. Mr. WARD said, that the old stores of the ord nance were disposed of by private connect in ge neral. They preferred that way of dealing, be , cause, as they knew the prices, the service was pro tected from the injurious effects of combination to which sales by ruction were subject. Mr. WARRE wished to have some explanation upon the management of the Commissioners of Woods and Forests with respect to the new street, which had been going on for four years, veithout any apparent probability of its being finished. Mr. HUI•Ii1980N expressed his readiness to fur nish the information sought, but thought the Hun. Member could obtain it much more regularly, and iu a more perfect state, from the Report of the Commissioners of Woods, upon whom the commis ' Dion of the new street had devolved. 61r. WARR& only wished to know if the period •t which it would be completed had been at ull ascertained. Mr. Husstosow said, that the Commissioners were going on as fast as they could, applying the grants tit purchases and alterations, and by their arrangements the street would in all probability be opened in a few years. The Committee of Supply was then postponed till Friday next. The Order of the Day fur smoking the House into a Committee on Ways and Mesas was read, and the Cotuminer preipourd till Friday. Thy Orde► of the Deb• fur the srcund trailing of the Malt Duties Bill %.av then rend. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved the second reading, Mr. CRECiEY lose to oppose the motion. They had been sitting three weeks, and none of the estimates of the great public servic.s for the year had yet been laid before them. He lied heard that the language of the Tteasury to those who sup 'Anted them was, that it would be a short Srsaion ; that the business would be gone through by Eas. sion, with a view to ground upon it a vote of cen- the motion of whic)t he had given • A was Henr.)— : sure on him; but as much inconvenience was sure It neceesary to •opol.. Court whe • likely to arise from the right which had been fur briegipri.oesetrtheir crtaideett t been tried assumed by Sheriffs, of exercising a discretiuu of that cnii.ltoprore•ftse Cotisrnetnik , r Palmer, al controlling the wishes of the freeholders, his object legislative institutions of the ceentitts • og Sir Ssrnut witethotsome measure. might be adopted to pre- certaioJy could be of irriiitie.iMpartomut °with° approbatio vent 'on, recurrence of !inch ''conduct in future. remove soy blot that may exist in the adminisira. Lori! Ei.l 1H , 7 mentioned' this is ordee to prevent any opposi. non of criminal justice in the coun_try. Nothing ever xpltra . on - the teirtioony o f could iii'Vurther from his intention then - to impute Justiciary (lenttethenor, ifik honourable character of the the least impropriety to any of the respectable so milder Skriif i.obaervatiookof that UNA sirsuap wig Judges that presided in Courta_of ScntLuid, for subsequen 144, btir 111711Wd • nOiting it ill tri4 7 theat be entertained lull the - retiPiertiiiittiCh their that How 's ,, wit:b: 4 theinoise‘irolestet9,o g 'exalted sten/lite - entitled them • btatinifteh a defect that the St more himself clearly ithderstood, he would 're. appeared in the Criminal Code, he-could see no fore, thou Aire} ii shortly to the etite.ef:the'Stit'riff 'of North• objection to remove it. It was with. these feelings justified it •Nenliththolk% Oreille I iequisition had teen pre. that lie came to the consideration of this most forsooth, s seitiriPs 11 igned by many,perfoos or the first re a per . important qoestion. In the first instance then, ject, utile) seifirtny to th e erninty . ,, requesting hint' to call o there were certain points in the administration and in tt worttng s a the bounty for the purpose 'therein of law in Scotland to which he should briefly I could not ...a:4_ with whiA h. rolatasA *et wnrnt.i. it roll the mitention of 111. f-inniu._ 1.. the ter ; that Ministers were safe; the Queen was to Ins sacrificed ; and ti;at no One cared about the money atfiirs. If Parliament did its duty, each of the istiniatel would take two or three weeks to iuqU ire into and examine, instead of the services being voted uu the same night the estimates were brought in. Ile intended input in force that restraint which the Constitutiint had provided. and oppotrtherpoots. —Sceing. to his great dryad. one of the loy Lords of the Admiralty in his Plsee, one of the sinecure or, as he hail orieeTerilleelinve, -Owe-of Vic Art; Lords of the Admiralty. he hoped that he might be able to escape the vengeistice which he lied heard wos threatened to be visited at his unfoitanste head by that Hon. Member, for having declared that he would refuse the supplies. Ile understood the Hint. Member •had invite i all his restudy tb coins to the benefit, end of course he expected fo be 'mighty handled. He hoped past recollection* would influence the Hon. Member to some aleasu , 'e of pity. He hoped the Mit. Member would 44-c:f -leet when he sot on his (Jr. Cieevey's) side of tits House, sad that the thought would cause him to remit ■ portion of the severity with which, as he hail heard, it was intended to visit hint. The CH A NcELLou of the EXCHEQUER milk that no supplies had yet heels granted except for the Orval servi:•es, slid they were granted from duties which had been annually voted for centuries past. As to any others, it was not intended to ask for theirs until the estimates were laid before the House, which would be done in the course perhaps of a week. Sir It.'WiLsou objected strongly to granting any suppled' Weld 'lshousters had given some 111,4(10 ranee that they would udopt those measures which he conceived to be eieee►sary to save the country. Sir T. Litirelpit4Pritt approved of exercising a constitutional jealousy over the expenditure. But he could, slot ag►ee to propositions which were merely trainstisous. In these times of eventful dis tress he felt himself bound to oppose any grant of public money which could be proved to be useless and wasteful; and he 'would give his support to she Gentlemen oppealte, whenever they could succeed in inking out Such a case, but not be fore then. Colonel DAVIES hoped to see the lion. Member make some use of that constitutional jealouiy which lie so much approved, although his (Col. D.'s) friends had not been to fortunate hitherto as to sseote Ins support on any question of retrench. meat. His Honourable Friend did not object to the want of tstitnatts only, hut to tie granting of any supplies until some security should be given of a revision and retrenchment in all the depatiments. History proved the usefulness of exercisug jealousy over the expenditure. Had mit their ancestors frequently put it in use, that House would not then be sitting; and though the fotincr !sower of the Crown had been reduced by with holding occasionally the supplies, they had still a great weight of influence to contend with. Mr. HUMS resented the advice of not adopting what were called factious observations. Whets he considtred the conduct of the majority last night, he must say that it was factious in the highest degree.--(Lord cries of " Order!"; The SMARMS spoke to order. He had heard no such word used as factious by any previous speaker; but if it were so used, it was far more disorderly to designate the decision of a majority of that House as factious. Mr. Hums was very willing to retract the word factions, and put in the word which had been used—vexatious. This term he applied to what had taken place in that House last night. He ap plied it to the general conduct of the House, in thwarting sod neglecting the prayers and feelings of nine-tenths of the people. He challenged those -opposite to produce one Petition on their side of the argument. Supported as he and his Hon. Friends were, by the majority of the people, they would steadlestly do their duty, however dis pleasing and ungracious it might be to the Gen tlemen opposite. Mr. MANIPIELD denied that he had done any thing factious or vexatious in voting with the ma jority of last night. He differed from the copiuivit of the Hon. Member as to public sentiment. Judg ing iron► die populous town which he represented, he rather thought that the majoidy of last night de cided as the majority of the people would decide. At any rate it was too much to be told that their conduct was vexatious to the public. Sir J. NEWPORT could not vote for his Honour able Friend's proposition, because lie thought thst after the supplies had been voted it was hut justice for the House to provide the ways and means for them. At the same time he th ught that the esti mates ought to be laid before the House in the fist week of the Session to rouble the House to adopt all the means in its power for alleviating the situatrou of the people. He could not vote for the proposal of his Honourable Friend, thought 'he was of opinion no other new supplies should he granted until the House should be in possession of the estimates. Mr. J. MARTIN would oppose the motion, had he no better warrant for it than the proposal for so doing having been made by his Honourable Friend (Mr. Creevey.) He expressed his surprise at the coninuation of measurer known to be thiift lets, if not inischie+ous. The Chancellor of the Exchequer had, on a former occasion admitted that the method of keeping the public accounts was too obscure and complicated ; but the Right Hon. Gentleman gave as a reason for conti ssss in 4 that plau, the danger there would be of post. not underatauding it if it were abaudoned.— ( Laughter.) . . House Th e then divided— For the Motion 7l Agaiust it.. Majority —49 The Appropriation in Aids Bill was ordered to be committed to-morrow. The Queen's Annuity Bill eras read the third time and passed. The House went into Committee on the Ciil for esrryisig into effect certain regulations of dot Offices. in Irish Courts. A short discussion took place between Mr. e. GRANT, Sir J. NEWPORT, and Mr. HUMP', On toe power conveyed by the Bill, of granting 4,3001. pet annum pension to any Master of theltulla hay. Mg served the office twenty years, or being corn' pelled to retire from ill health. A brief discussion took place aloa.ott the grant of