The Statesman. — London, England, 1822-03-19 00:00:00

inferior 726 a Wi wedil terreeesery continue ire of del y. H SKISSON said, that altbeerpti lee bad no ofy r to propose such a clause. be mold not contest the taster.- (A laugh.) filter a few words from Mr. CURIVII/1. General Oar and Mr. Unites, the Report was received sod to, and the Bill ordered for a third readies te• morrow. Message fro. the Loris annou seed their Lard ' Assent to certain Private Bills (for which sec .) PRlCEpresented a Petition from certain oces. i ..s of land, n the county of Herefordshire, complais. in of Agricultural Distress. Sir I. COFFIN said. be did not think the prospects Herefordshire so gloomy as the Petitioners stated. • • Petition was laid oo the table. MR. 111: MT. BRIMIT presented a Petition from some inha of Bristol, praying the house to pay attention case of Mr. Ilunt.—Ordered to be printed. -.r. HUME presented a similar Petition from Chip. penham, which he recommended to the attention of the bonse.—Read and laid on the table. • Hon. Member presented a Petition from Steads-- complaining of Agricnltneal Distress.—Referred Committee on Agriculture. IRISH FIVE PER CBMT. STOCK. CHANCELLOIt of tie* MUM INKI BR said. that : comtegnence of the termination of the amsgamear the transfer of the English Five per Cents. he ►ad le that the House resolve itself into a Committest whole House, to consider of all the Acts relating to y. Irish Fire per Cents. the motion of the Right Hon. Gentlmmo, returns ordered of two Minutes of the Commissioners of .'reesury, respecting the rednetion of civil officers, ogetber with Returns made to the Treasury in con. Tinance with the same. DISSENTS eaves TES NEW riven. CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER stated, the total amount of the dissents to the New Stock or close of the period allowed for registering. them A 2,1105,975/. It would be necessary to provide one inured thousand pounds for the interest of this sem. '• was intended to give the dissentients the *plies of paid off next April, or at the Joly following. The Hon. tientleman then mewed, that an estimate elt sum required to be raised in miler to pay off the rnprietors of Nary Five per Cent. Stock, who dimwitted lite terms offered by Parliament.—Ordered. • . LUSHINOTON afterwards brought tip the pest, was laid on the table. COMMITTEE nr SUMI.—NAVY ESTIMATES. I J. OSBORN moved the Order of the Day for the going into a Committee of Supply. BERNAL begged permission, previously to dal going into the Committee. to rectify a naistalta had been made in a late discussion relative to I Sampson, who had been stated by his lion. Friend' • him (Mr. Hume) to have retired on a ouperanano• pension after fifteen years service only. He bad requested to state, that he had not only been 15 in the titration of Comptroller of the Customs, ttl also been in the public service fifteen years in situations, making in all thirty years. He left his ituation at the age of and in an inferior state of h. —Mr. from bad no recollection of the name of this but be wii - sffrelt dirrrwasoinistaka it was t of the official 'return. . YORKE said, that before the Speaker left the he begged to submit a subject to the house of a purely naval. He meant the case of Captain , now Rear-Admiral of the White. He had been promoted to that rank after filling the Chair of the Vic• g Board. He wished to know if the wholesome practice of prweeedieg accenting - te — seniority had been abandoned. When a mea s liest given op the comforts sjoytnents of donsestit life for a yrofeesion che even in line weather (to use a sea phrase,) with responsibility, and at other times connected with and bloody struggles, he ought not na slight I to be removed from a situation which bad been wed as the reward of meritorious services. They seen John Clark Searle recently putted as Rear iral of the White. But the most painful part of this ess was, that it must appear from the hasty steps by the Admiralty Board that the Rear-Admiral 'len under their displeasure. It was known that iry had recently taken place into eertain delis es which had existed in the Victualling Office.— allant Friend near him and the Honourable "Hern e Edinburgh had proceeded to enquire into the instances and to report on the flagrancies which been detected. After this what must be the infer when it was seen that the late Chairman of the lling Board, either by a public order or a private rem the First Lord of the Admiralty, was removed situation which Imbed filled so long with credit. ng received that situation which was one of the rewards for past service, and having been thought 11 of that his lady had received a pension of no less 3001. per annum—when rewards were thus heaped an individual which the most ambluons profession our could but seldom gain, how much must he been surprised when he found himself hurled on en from his high eatato by what he might call this al thunderbolt of the Admiralty. tie was not at felt disposed to call in question the exercise of rerogative of the Crown, but in the present in .e the object Whirls the Admiralty had in view ell to him to have been pursued through an unasnal , which could only be justified by strong cirenm. res. But the must ungracious part of all remains stated. A certain Board of Revision had taken bjrct into consideration, and had declared that it that a Navy Officer should fill the Chair of the ailing Board. A Naval (Kerr having been coml. I necessary to fill this situation, this J. C. Stark been appointed, and to wake way for him, Mr, h had been put out of it with an allowance of 12ftei. mount. But stow the late Chairman having been ire oi an old Colonel had been brought out to preside he Victualling Board, and thus the naval men rented as if they were such dolts that they were able of telling two ausJ two made four. Such, how was nut the character of all who had been sailors. was not the character of Isis 43111615 t Friend near lie toes distinguished for his application though ad been brought up in a cockpit, not the Cockpit hi:chalk hut the cockpit of R man of war. He was ad abut:inn,. that if he could slut rind it he would it. They had, however, heard of bile persons of er description. Had they for instance not heard idle Statesusan and of ass idle Secretsry to the Jof Control ? Now he would first ask If it were possible that they might have a Col. of the Hoards It same description ? He considered the appoint to be our aline greatest jobs the% lied come before house. it GEORGE CO( li BURN rose to do justice to the lent Admiral who hail been named, and to prove his Flom Friend was wrong its what he had stated, was misleading the house on subjects with which he tto have been better aciptainted. After a minute ry into the state of the Jewelling Department, he (i.Coo4born) and those associated with hiss in the ry, had found that there was not that arrangement sepervision, nor that check en the clerks which they considered to be necessary, and thence they came to the roaelasiou, that it was not desirable that the late Chairman shoeld remain at the head of the Victualling Board. But it was proper at the same time to state, that ivallin; ootbiJog %Pa honor antkprobit , fit. woo tbMlßbt ' Adogialti , to res. it trot aloatiobstskt twitter be lop potation. It . glees, to allow an Officer of a certain rank his choice—to receive that, or to retail" any civil situa tion which lie might hold. This choice had bees given to the individual whose ease had been motioned, ,and he bad preferred retaining his rivileituation. When i it became necessary, for the convenience of the public, ; to remove .him from that 'Rotation, it was thought right to put him where lie would have been bad his choice .been different. This was determined oa from anxiety to prove to the world that the late esipiry, if it had de monstrated his unfitness to preside over the Victsailing Board, had proved nothing against is gehreal thane ter. With respect to what had been said of the Board of Revision, he was surprised that his Oallset Friend, who sat for some years at the Admiralty Board himself, could have been betrayed into a statement like that which be had made—a statement which woe diametrical• ly opposed to the truth. He had told the house that that Board bad declared that a Naval Officer oeght to fill the o ffi ce of Chairman over the Viettuilling Board. Instead of doing so, they had actually dose the con trary, and their recommendation was that a civil officer should fill the situat'on of Chairman, and a see .1 direr that of Vice-President. Snob • charge as that which had been brought forward ought not to have holm par. (erred by his Gallant Friend. Oa a former ovoids, k would be remembered that he (Sir J. Yorke) bad mile. mated himself to have been at the Admiralty Siewilit or eight years, daring which time he had (*utilised to vote against his conscience, from an expedition this VI be were not to do so he would soon be iiirteted to tiro his stern towards the Admiralty. This might have been the Course pursued by Isis Gallant Farad, but be trusted there were not many at the Admiralty who acted on each feelings. Those who were engaged there wished to do their duty to the country. He was willing to continue there Do long u he could be usefully occupied, bet the moment he coold no longer remain there with boson; that moment he hoped his stern would be tumid to wards the Admiralty.—(Hear„ hear!) Mr. ELLICE concurred with the Hon. Officer who had last spoken in what he had said of the circum stances antler which Admiral Searle bad retired from the Victualling Board. He had bad the hoariar .to know that individual for many years, and knew that aothing dishourable could ever be imputed to him. He bad presided during the greater part of the late war at the % ictualling Board, when fleets were to be provisioned to all parts of the world, and no complaint had bees made against him, and after that he thoaght it west ill become them now the war was at an end so east that stigma on him which would follow him if an informer able opinion of his conduct were expressed by that House. The active duties of war were very differing from the duties of peace, and he who might well per form the former, might be incompetent to the WOOS arrangements of the latter. Such was the CAN of the gallant Admiral, and for this reason only had the late change taken place. He had called on him when he had heard of the circumstance, had beard of all that had passed, and instead of the thunderbolt which the i lion. Officer had talked about, the Rote which removed him was coached in the kindest terms, sad while it hi. dinned that it was expetliehat be should rides, thanked him for his methodist:U - tie I war. He was glad however that the eireemestaace come before the House that the Gallant Admiral (Sir at Coclibutt) might state what be bad advittieed, and AO he (Mr. Ellice) might have an oppertutliffel speakit to the character of Admiral Searle and to . , ghe maasu which he had been emeriti. Sir GEORGE COCKBURN said, there existed a to-1 gulation by which an Officer on accusal of certain poi rind of service in war was allowed to change his sits 'idea. That period, Admiral Searle had served ten times over. Sir I. COFFIN had known the Gallant Admiell whose name had been so repeatedly moadownd dar many years, and was satisfied that there was nit S MOS honourable character, nor a more benevolent mait the service. Mr. ELLICE wished to remark that if the Gallant Admiral had retired instead of taking a fiag-ship, the expense to the country would have been greater. Mr. CROKER embarked, this removal and the conse quent appointment had been called a job. He begged to state most clearly that the first great inducement to put the Gentleman now at the head of the Victualling Board in the situation which he filled, grew out of the great ability with which he had filled inferior &Aces. It was granted without any solicitation or interest—he was wholly ignorant of its being intended so to advance him, and was probably as much surprised at it as his Hon. Friend could be. He bad, however, been chosen because no other man of his rank stood so high in the estimation of his superiors. He had also been preferred lin an economical point of view. Two Commissioners from the Nary Board, of which be was one, were to be provided for. By the course which bad been taken, their services had been transferred to the Victualling Board, and thus a saving of 1,400/. per annum was effected, while the business of that Board was performed in abetter manner. Sir J. YORKE had never meant to impute any de- Eminency to bias. He only thought he bad been too hasty in removing him, and that having broken his bead In the first instance, the new appointment was given by way of a plaister. The question was then put and carried, and the House resolved itself into a Countaittee otSupply. SirJ. OSIIORN moved a grant for the expense of the Navy Office for the year 1022, 61,595/ ) Mr. HOME objected to the number of tomnaissioners kept ap. The saving made by the redaction effected was in a great measure counterbalanced by the super annuation allowances. In 1792 ' the expense of the Navy Office was but 12.000/. Ix 06, it amounted to but 46,461/. lie would therefore put it to:the House, if now in time of peace the stun 01 64,b 1 .051. ought to be demanded. Sir J. OSBORN defended the grant, and *hewed that but a small saving could be looked for front reducing the Commissioners, as they must be provided for on re tiring. Mr. CROKER stated, no fewer then five Commission ers bad been reduced, two at the Navy Board, and three at the Ports, and the whole of the transport business heti been divided between the Navy Board and the Admi ralty. He would tell the lion. Gentleman wby the Com tuissiorfers were not further reduced. The Navy Hoard had recommended tlmt the business should be divided among Commissioners. Iti was impossible to arrange the business in fewer than three divisions, and fewer than two Commissioners could not be given to each Counissio.l. It was therefore necessary to keep up the number at present retained. Should a failure ut the bu siness of one of the Commissioners nuke it possible to transfer it to one of the others, this should be th.ne. He was, however. unwilling to hold out an expectation that this would take piker: but at the same time be desired the house to believe that the three Comunseionen would not be kept up if one of them should be foetid unneces sary. The Hun. Gentleman had truly remarked, that the saving effected by the reductions made was in a great measute counterbalanced by the seperannsation allow ances. That wu true, but having engaged these iudivi t ; HMI , inferior tor the i Mr. I jection to be th Alter MN., 1 agreed I morrow Axle ships' 4 Lords.) Mr. E piers of to of 4 , Sir I. of Here The I Mr. I bitants I to the a . Mr. 1-i penham, bonse.— The I • more, CI to the Ci i TbeC : is copse „ fur the t move th the who the 'risk On th i were ore ; . the Tres together fermium Tbe C that the ( at the el was 2.1.5 U hundred , • as it trw being ps ' Hight H ; . the sum ir . I ro Fprieti trom the Mr. LI which w co Sir J. House gi Mr. 8 . llfonee g which hi Mr. Sam near hire tion pen been try rears In bat had other sit last situ; health. -Mr. II . individu • the fault Sir J. j . Chair, b I ,• it , nature p Searle, I promote tualling metier abandon 81111 !Till (leered e great re t 1 • , severe al ground. beltiiNCi f had area Admiral husinest taken hi had fall , an intri quench tial ber for I I ' circuit's had bee eines w Vietuall I,:ter fr I teem a i Having Lest ret en well t;ian SU up..n a al laboi have be I l i .1. ) a eudele imperia one the t' tit.- pre aprancearMOlNl path, t t st-tires to be ti thin sul was fit ; ..• ~ Victim] i &red t had be, 1 Marsh • , per an, move; . over tli were tt ' ' I incapal ever, V , Such a him. he had a: Wit t so flail niake i anothe , . of an i Board not po I hl: of the meat I l' r the be ' I Sir , ~..-.!. INallan that It and w 4 ; aught inquir - (Sir ti \ leaver and 111 they c to the Chair Hoare 1 Akar- Tr.SM a4Nr , transpired thit at all detrr• *I fess Ahei deals dating tbp war when lathed epee Alit) , of his chaiacter. WWII, the relays, at hand, it was ttatfair that they shottltl b• pro ht amtessery teadriss the Vint Ltd of edge mow that they were laid aside, not Islamise Oho r remove hfin from the Vi c t i m/Dag Board, guilty of any misconduct, bat because, from ti ought right teats it.itesseli a way es should state of lhinlty.aheir . Kpiees were ma Imager Igerines to hi, ki t pag, or . 10 hi s re . Bat be wished the house to ointerve on what is scud whe n • fag ship was: to -he these soperannnalions load bees made. They _ . greeted. not on the scale recognised by the o had ►.. r I e altered They had bees effected. not on the scale recognised loy the old A Parliament, lint en that of the Ecionom)Peal Act inte nded to be framed. This wonld sheer the spirit I. which that Bovernment bad acted. Instead of sheltering themselves • under an Act of Parliament, winch would have justified 'a much larger allowance, they have acted from. motive. lolf economy. on a prospective Act of Parliament. He would britig into one view the redactions made last .year, and in this in the offices in tows. first year the Admiralty. Pay, Nave and Victualling Offices. Led fixed establishment of 317 clerks— stow the number me, tamed was 263, being a reduction of 54, and that os tite four offices which he hail mentioned is town. The exact expense of this establishment it was net very easy to cal culate. as the resnueeration the Hos. Oestlestas woo' aware depended on length of service. He welsh! take the goof tee years for each clerk This would snake the expense of the establishment of last year amount to 108,000/. The redaction effected on the average be had supposed Would bring it is the present year to 74,000/.. being a sating of 34.0001. He admitted that the saving would sot be immediately so great as might be expected from the redactions made. as the poor persons who were removed from their dietitian must be regarded as **- titled to a modicum to live upon. If an active officeti were •wanted. it was intended that he should be taken from those who were thus super ted. and the. t,{ retiring allowance weeld be saved. This he considered to be not merely a measure of economy. but an act or justice; for these individuale were forced from their pre sent situations, not from their incompetency or "neon duct. it was bet fair that when occamon offered they should be recalled to active service. He was detenaipmfl, only to recall such as were known to be really West and by this plan they might avoid employing iseaqtabfe individuate, which sometimes had occurred. from acting on the principle of advancing every individual accord ing to his seniority. He bad bees engaged with his lion. mad Ballant t!riend from last year up to the pretest time ' in reducing the officers employed undet them. Ho had reduced the Admiralty establishment so low, that the absence of two clerks. from indisposition, bad been productive of real inconvenience. He did sot from this regret that he had made the redactions which bad taken place. The public bad liberally requited their clerks, and be had thought they were called upoo to make some additional exertions td meet an emergency like Vist whieh he load mentioned ; but be adverted to the circum stance to prove that a finther redaction could sot be el fiend. Sir B. MARTIN traced the constitution of the Nary Board to the reeommeodation of the Commissioners in 1784. In 1796, Lord Spencer toeing then at the head of the Admiralty, the soggestioss of the Commissioners of 1784 were adopted, and the establishment was not thee swelled oat as it was. in the following year. Three in dividuals bad then been assigned to each Commissios. That number had been reduced to two. If the number of Commissions could be reduced, it would be his duty to submit this to Ministers, and be them he was certain it would be readily acquiesced in when proved to he prat t.caltle and coesietsat with the public interest. The Es timates now produced were 987.000/. lower than those of last year. So large' reduction baring taken place. he had expected that they would be carried by Recision tie*, and not. that enrrnem mould be quibbled on and debated. Sion, iiiiwnit - tbey were ist be debated, he hoped the boon would take this fact, that a saving if nearly 1,000.0001. had bees effected as a sort of text. 111 r. BERNAL thought the Hallam Officer ought sot to feel nary that the estfamates wen debated. Things might be pointed out of which be wm sot aware, and which, when pointed sot, he would be happy to redress. If such savings could be mode sew. It might he fair to ask why they had get bees made three or four years ago. He did not wish to quibble. and he waf. confident those about him were above any thing of the kind. Sir B. MARTIN did not mean to apply the word quibble in the sense in which the Hon. Oeotleinao seem ed to take it. Sir I. COFFIN said, the establishments could not be broken down ail at once. He bad to reply to the state ment*** the lion. °endgame that powder and shot was constantly being discharged overboard. Our navy was reduced to 14 sail of the line, 112 frigates, and 61 store ships, and other vessels, in all 187. What they had to do was to fire five salutes each in the course of the year, in addition to going through their weekly exercise.— This, he stated, to be a correct view of the case. He did not wish to disguise the facts, for he had no wish to become a new Lord of the Admiralty, if that Board were to be restored to its pristine beauty. Mr. lIUME thought the Committee oafht not to give into the idea of the Hon. Officer, by abstaining from dis cussing the Estimates. He went over the former charges under the same beads, and contended the present redac tions did not go far enough. Taking the Estimates of 1821, for the Half-pay and &Termination List, he would compare them with the Estimates of that year. Their total amount was in 1821, 1,484,000/.; In the pre sent year, 1,483,000/.; the whole reductioe being 31,0001. This being fairly takes, was the reduction on what be would call the Live Establishment. Now with respect to the building, Sir .1. YORKE addressed the Chair, bat was called to order. Ile said he wished to speak to order. Ile thought it irregular to advert to another head of ex• pense.—(Cries of "Order!") Mr. HUME maintained that be bad a right to prevent the speech of the lion. Member from producing that im pression which it was calculated to create if it passed, unnoticed. The charge for ship building bad' been 1,094,000 f. It was brought down to 610,01)01.. being al reduction of four hundred thousand pounds on one item. The Dock Yard expenses had been reduced from four hundred and lifiy-four thousand pounds to one hundred and fifty-four thousand pounds. He, however, wished the Committee not to suppose that more credit belonged to Ministers than was really their due. This saving liail only been effected by reducing the numbers employed. Ile slionl-1 he glad if the principle laid down by Minis ters for re-calling to active service those who were super annueted, were really acted upon. All he would say was, he hoped they should see at a future day some good result from the determination which had been an. nounced. He was aware that by seniority individuals sometimes got to the head of an office, who were unequal to the proper discharge of its duties; but these in stances, so far as he was informed, mere very few. But professing to act on the new principle, from the esp.- rieuce they had of all comments, it was to be found that it was not merit that would gain promotion, but interest and favour. For his own part, he would rather that seniority should be the rule of advancement, and that when a superior man was to be brought forward, his promotion should be an exception to the rule. He wished to know what inconvenience bad been exile. rienced in the Artillery Corps from acting on that pin rink whiela he now advocated. Take them Officer for Officer, lie believed the Artillery Officers would he found superior to time Officers in the Army. In one item be (*.mud a small increas... Instead of six, there were met, 3lessencers, one at 1151. two at 110/. two atloo/. and tw,. at 701. per annum. He wished to know the cause et this? Sir 8. MARTIN explained that the number of )ties sengeri Were actually necessary fur the business o' • I _ OSOI, sad the frequent noes sages seat le all parts of 4. town. Sir I. COFFIN was of th e some opinioa m the a m Ileatlemen who 'peke last. Sir. W. DIC CRESFIIINI • was satisfied that the Him tientletnan. the Comptroller of the Nan, would be i s . defatigable is his ezertionsa to procure the n e - e - . dortion. Mr. CRORRR said Brit I he retnrn of 1733, .h,-, that the aggregate expense • f the Navy department in s greater than at present. Toe office he now h a g 1... d then a salary of MU. a year . : but the legal rem ; asee ', ad to WOOL wear, and hr n aderstood that the ho ses ' profits of the situation at that t time might hare beetled calmed at one thinned two h enticed pounds a ye ar . H e wished to show tpat.there b, I been a grad ua l mis c u e ' every year is the number o clerks in the Admiraltma 181:s there were fifty-fin ;id 1814 they wee: ?edam/ i s tifty•two ; in 1815 to forty 1 liree• ' its 1816 to to s s* nioe; 1817 to teresty-nise; I i 1819 to tweetreigq; ; k 18/0 to twenty-serest its Is' I to twenty•siz, aid it 18312 there won bat twisty-four at uployed. The Coe ss i nee would see that every step ha I been accompanied by a minting. The Bon. Beetle mats (.Ur. House) did net make Ihe nanny dietinetie is between the establish- I most end the redaction of thl force in 1314 ; there wers I is all 4kok ogees live hum lord and fifty clerks, tie:ew e " nalteeed la 1817 to fear Iseni Ired aid forty-aint, tied i e An • t year they were b rough' down to two hn. • and sixty-two. With re ferrets to the plea for till• log op vacancies. be would gi we an instance Own; ae . ciiried in the Admiralty a shi >ft time since. A rac eme offered, and he did not find ad y person to Who, it !Dirk be Onto es the Sapanansed i•iis List; but he felt that ho wield he perfectly Juni/ ed le exercising his on pamper es each an occad on, but he did set dr. ss He wind to the Hon. Head •man, the Cisinpirellm of the Navy to leant if lie kA eve any n merituoris otter who had been reduced to ap! mince. T:iat iletwerahle Heattleman recommended one front the Retired Ligt,asd Ilso (Mr. Crok •r) appointed 11 .e perms to the Mutation, pad gave up from principle I patronage which Ley entitled to wake use of. Ho felt the claims .4 dei n i had n reduced; but. in recalling them as ti e E occurred, be woe 'ld always make th e n ee . of a qualified person, and would never fur an y Wm Jarity, bring back, an :improper or ineffective is grwar .dividual. . . Mr. HUMS agreed with dm. Hon. Secretary that there been a gradual reducti4 3 in the somber of clan. menu of all salaries in 1813 was 189,2251.; is , the auto was 185,0511!.; being a redaction in sins I n of only 4,17 5 1. By a e :tarn laid before the Cosa. ee„ the salaries of the eldt.ks of the Atleiraliv is the 1796, was 39,0001. and the fees were valnel a t r . snaking a total of 40,533.'. la 1797 all f ees abolished; and the et lar:es of that office gen /sod at 35,00u/.—The Beni' dies was then agreed to. Sir J. 08LtORN then mimed that a sum not trend -34.878/. les. be granted tier the service of the Vic- Iling-offsee. Mr. HUMS wished to kt mw why se Mane Cesea. *deers were necessary. E e objected to the greet, ild my d that the sum shot ild be reduced to 33,2171. 1 Sir H. COCKBURN said, that trom an &gratin is *syetem of managing busi nose and the dismissals( a amber of clerks, that the full number of emontissise deedwas ft and to be ainall y me . They had re ' the o ffi ce of Inspector hf the Hospital, which vas ;relent to use of the Cost missioners. Mr. BENNET argued that the number of Consio trs was disproportional t o the number of went seem a i l e d not bo necessary unties , the considerable redeciee ef the service. . .i• Sir G. CLERK said that !hen was au immense acre emulation of business at the flose of the tetteree, wink required the aid of all the -.Constnissioseret tie stairs of the office were more not s ander their immediate is spectiou without the assisted re oleo in ,ny clan Tbs Medical Commissioners had. the sn perintestleate of all the medical agemouts in the Navy, gad the minimise into the qualifications of all surgeons appointed. Sir .1. YORKE supposed that the Inspector of Hos pitals retired with a pensioei of at least MeV. a year. Mr. BERNAL said, that he saw the same objectless to the vote which had occurntd to bit llonourahle pries', the Member for Shrewsbury. At a time of peace, ones there were only 121 vessels in ordinary, he conceived that there was no necessity fur a Chairman aid six Commiesiosers. Sir O. COCKBURN eopls3ined that, from the former systetn, many clerks neglects their duties, as they left them one to the ether. The Cominissionen foetid that by reducing many of the clef ha, and by giving their ova personal attention, the basimess of the departmeet was much accelerated. Mr. HUME said, that the 1 mai nes. would he done with more effect by three or ftd it Commissioners than by seven, as that number woali I Shill! a he compelled to attend. He should, therefor e, press the amenduseat. The House then divided, tai td the original u" Ii°11 la ‘ carried. the numbers being-. • Ayes, 661 Noes, 30; Majority, 36. Mr. BERNAL said, that I le had discovered ruins differences in the Estimates; voted by the House, ask the accounts afterwards laid on the table. The Has. Member compared the mime tes anti accounts for three years, and declared that then was a gross difference of about a million. He complal tool that while redactiesi were made amongst the woe king rtasses is the der t yards, there hail been no alto rati on in the clears/al lish ments. He thought there w: is no n• renal for a clerk of the Survey. With regard to the water measurers he wished to have some expiable tian of the result' why the Isuboneasorers were so much, reduced in their rate of wages. Daring the war thd v had earned 2(.5a. and now they could only obi tin 'loon It. 45.6.1. Ile could see no reason for this t inference hewer, the two claws of services. lie hal understood that a civil officer bail retired upon a superannuation of three fourths of his salary. Now 4me rate of allowance mat to Shipwrights was only ones !bird of their salary Wm* they were reduced. There s ;as another eircomstancy which had come to his ears, t and whic'a Ime We desirous of mentioning; it was that its the Estimates fee the last several years; a clerk in (he Chatham -yard hog bee s sat down, who never during that periail led unneeded Isere at all. Hr was told t's tt the indiviiin d was 41- ways employed in the Navy I /thee, yid that a scpersto literary at a salary of Sill(. a-y ear perforated his claw at Chadians- The Hon. Mem) .I•r sdoileil to some ;Iter ations of vessels, and the saw • of the ci rimier stern, task' ing inquiry as to the ili ff , ro are o: vNiiense. thoeehl that the distinction which a ppeared to be made betee.' those employed in the civil Q epartotenc4, and the attains was not founded in justice ti . tielai;er. Sir 11. COCli HU IIN ad lid te-1 that die Clerks of St rey might he considerably co .iu sett, :mil stated, that their reduction was in conteitipli :ion. A Board bad bees cent to Chadian', and a vet) little inspection convinced them that many of the Sups rsiaino t Wirers mi g ht he dispensed with. Wish "I:A.1 to the introduction of the circular sterns, he considers .1 them to hr highly into" tagemis to the service. Tic a principle hurl just lees sr oiled to a line of battle ship, whirl , to 11 , launched at Woolwich immediately. Awl for 1114 purpose .1 ts!' ing the plan e ff ectually, it in i s resolved to put this siliP :ntit commission forthwith. Sit 11. NIA [al N coat-era ..d that !be clerk o a lluded to is having been engaged at 1 :te Navy Office, t the set 'cot of the duty for which la e received a „k t r ., had served to the oil/ the Clor.ition lie received. T Consasissi r osers bad led in the reduction epos :he most prudent plan, for. had they V IM wi th " l 4ef •aution, the parishes wo 1 have Wu loaded wick Pig'