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I f ! I FINANCE. !Ratter _ _ not He tad not wont to hring 'Skothinci, for be looked upon him as a very ignment man; but be thought that the House should ex press their opinion upon it, and he therefore would regret that the Right Host. Baronet should with draw Isis motion. Mr. 8RA661 BATHURST stated, that the Address had found its way into the Gaselft from inadvet tency, and on that ground, and that ground alone, ite thought th« House should rest mtisSed. • Sir JOHN NIIWPORT would take the liberty of sositesting that some proposition of this kited should he niaile—natnely, that a certain papercon us g reflections on that House. had found its way into the Gazelle through inadvertence ; and that st dissysswal should be made on the part of Mints:err, of the sentiments it contained. L.sed CASTIERNAGR wished the blight ilooohr uLte Baronet would withdraw his 'notion till to morrow, to consider the hest rota. Mr. Gomm* proceeded to remark on the trans action. He and that Ministers cried for mercy. They seemed disposed never to exercise their privi lege» except in their own defence. The question of adjournment to to-inorrovr was then put and carried. Mr. M ARCHLY isisiidtitsitili the attention of the House to what he esumMered• a subject of the utmost importance. It was for some pliers re lative to the finance affairs of the country. He ruse to suave for an account of the ifeficiesey of the Consolidated Fund. on the sth of January, Itv2l, rod of the manner in which this deficiency Ited been made up.—/Hear, hear, hear.) — lie wished to call their attention to the Sinking F I. We have nominally r Sinking Fuud of seventeen millions, while its reality we have only two minium, and that to meet I debt of between eight lied nine hundred millions. We have had 'sow ins years of peace ; nod all that we have is a Sinking Fund of two niillems to meet this enormous debt. auy mass suppose that a Stoking Fund of two millions would ewer enable the country-to get into that ceselition in which it could struggle with diffi culties P On a future occasion he should beg leave to call the attention of the House to this Slaking Fused. It was a mere fallacy. and he should endea vour to strip is of all its delusions and to expose it in its real and true light. For, in reality, what is tilfsiseking Food ? It is the - amount of our revense eine our expenditure. He was anxious for a Sink ing Fund, but he should like to see it stripped of of all its fallacies. He did not anticipate from the King's Speech any great reduction in the eipeudi true. There were, indeed, some insiometione thrown out about a reduction in our military establishment. if the Right Hon. Gentleman opposite (the Chan. e, nor or the Exchequer) persevered in this system, soot did not comatose, it was quite impossible that any relief could be retooled to the people ; asel,ja Isis opinion, the agritultorists would seen be apply ing for relief ; and relief could the Parliament extend * but a reduction in the - taxation. If they were to look to the price of grain now and what it WU. 30 years ago, they would bud it pretty nearly equal. And now their burdens sire tenfold, they have additional reiit to 'say, besides direct and in direct taxation. it was impossible they could con tinue to exist under these occumulated rents. No setter could then be extetided to them, except a reduction in the taxes. The expense of collecting the revenue was most exorbitant. Here it was right per cent. ; in Ireland it amounted to nothing less than 2 t per cent. Now, was it not a most enor mous sum that eight pounds out of every 100/. should go into the pocket of the collector. In fact, it was quite impossible that things could go on in their present condition. The people will not be longer able to endure their burdens, and they arc net to expect any relief from the 'eduction of taxes. The country will be unable to meet any emergen cies, either from war or any other cause. It ass with these feelings that lie made his present mo tion, and be thought it right to do so, before any supplies were granted ; and although it was per fectly easy to get those Acts penned, yet it seldom happened that they could get them until near the end of the Session. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER was happy to state that the expenses of the present year would be defrayed aithnut any loan of any kind, and that period was now arrived which the people wished fur so ardently, when there was no necessity to menet to any loan, or to on increase of taxes. In consequence of the depression of trade, . a considerable decrease took place in the revenue; and it must be consolatory to the House to learn the real state of the trade of the country at pe ewee. The amount of exported British manufec turer, in the half year ending the Sth January, 1821, in the ports of London, Liverpool, and Hull, exceeded the pnceding yeas by three mil lions and a half. • And he was happy to inform the House that he saw every reason to anticipate a still greater increase. Sir JOHN NEWPORT could not help calling the attentioh of the House to the enormous expense of collecting the revenue m Ireland. There. where trade is depressed to the lowest degree, the people are bowed down with an overwhelming weight of taxation, and those burdens are stall further in creased by the commons expense of collecting the revenue. There Was one suhject connected with these matters of which he had to complain, that when an application is made for any papers relative • ,to the subject, the Session is allowed to pass liter Urlure the House is put in:possession of them. Ile perfectly !unmarred with the Wm. Gentleman (.lr. Moberly) that the Sinking Fund should he stripped •of all its fallacies. Nothing could be more absurd or unjust than to •hold out delusions to the people of • : this sort, stating, that there it a real Sinking Fund, whereas it is merely nominal. He hoped that Hon. Member would persevere w his intention of Mali. tenanting not be s _ ;Siuking Fund be dered what it reully and truly was, five They all knew very well that the Right Hon. Ge ntleman borrowed the money at about three • pee cent.; but when the half-yeses interest theasme due, he found it iinposeibie to pay the dividends without borrowing the money a second time.' He would ask if it wan a ;super situation for the Go- . imminent era country to be in, not to be Ode to pay the claim of the publie creditor without going to the Bank to borrow ? The Right Hon. Gentle man last year stated, that in a abort-time the ;lei citswy of the Consolidated Fund would eorvect itself. He would now ask him, if the result had answered his expectations--whether the hope • had been rel ayed which he held out at that time—whether the delicieacy had not been greater in the last quarter thee in the corraspouding gratal... the peetushine• year--whether, in tact, the dolitiewep had net.siai crannied from 8,500,000/. to 8,1100;0001. • The Cliamcem.oa of - the Rica's - 40 1 a said, in. reply to the observation of the Right Hoe. Banwitet, respeeting the expense of the collection of there. vitinre. he had great ratisfaction in being *tole to state that a paving to a large amount 'had been ef.' fecied by the regulations which had been lately established. Ile Mid not any inanition at present of turning into funded debt any part of the piesent unfunded debt, tire titter not being greater than the public creditor could conveniently support. Whenever the actual sinking fund reached a given amount. he thought it might then be advisable to reduce the nominal talking fund, and lie looked forward with confidence to the approach of the pe riod when that reduction might he practicable. With regard to the ;arrangement for Meeting the payment of the dividends to which the Hon. Mem ber had alluded, he did not think thit a wiser ar rangement could he adopted. aid he could prove that a very large sum of tummy had been saved by it to the public. Mr. MASERI.I said, the Right Hon. Gentle man had stated that there was an airman is the revruue; but the produce of the new taxes had been estimated at 3,600,000/. while the amount which they had really produced was only 2,500,000/. ; so that, iii fact, here was a deficiency of 1,000,0001. With respect to the Sinking Fund, he could tell the Right Hun. Gentleman that nest tear it would most likely be less than it bail been in the lost ; mid he would tell him the reason. He had chased the expenses and interest of his loans on the Consolidated Fund until that firm/ could bear it eio longer; and then he charged the I expenses and interest of the lost year's loan upon the Sinking Fund. But that charge would not affect the Sinking Fund until next year ; so that la all probability the real amount of the, fund would be decreased next year instead of aug mented. He really way at a loss to at-comas for the expeekation held oat by the Right Honourable Geetleman of a continued increase in the revenge ; hr could not isnauine how it could be fairly and howestly calculated spots. He should be happy if it remaisted as it now is ; and he thought it was extremely sell, when the distressed condition of - agriculture and the depression of commerce were considered. With respect to the 6,000,0001. borrowed of the Bank, hr would grant that the pub lic hail been benefited by it ; but was it mot a dis graceful thing that a fund regarded as sacred to a particular purpose should have been diverted to soother object t Its the year 1817 the deficiency of the Consolidated Fund was i,600,000/. ; in the next year there was an increase; in the year following, there was a still greater decrease than the former; sad at last we had • Sinking Fund of two million, to pray off a debt of nearly 1000,000,12100/. Mr. FIMIDPIG said, with respect to the prevent state of the Sinking Fund, he fully concurred its what had been stated by the Hon. Gentleman who had just sat down. To enter into these compli cated accounts with this farce of a double Sinktug Fund, so ss to make them intelligible to the House. was quite impossible. Hr did not know any ob iect which the Right Hon. Gentleman could have is view in retaining it but to resider the accounts unintelligible. The Right Hou. Gehtleman sent lie looked forward to the time when the nominal Sinking Fund might be given up.. He could not conceive what objection he could have to give it up at once, and by coming to the real Sinking Fund. let the House understood the real state of the public accounts. It required a person of eousi dirsible utidt rounding and experience in accounts to comprehend them, mud many persona who were very conversant with the nature of accouaits in general, found themselves totally incapable of understood ing them. With respect to the Right Him. Gen tleman's expectations of improvement in the reveuur, he could not understand bow it was possible that the existing agricultural and costumer cud distr hould continue. without their effects being felt its the revenue of the country. He would recommend the Right Hon. Gentleman to apply his munition to the simplification of the accountt, as it was absolutely Preciosity fur rendering die*. intelligible. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, that the inerease of Ibr ieveime in the last luslf-year was greater than he ninembend to have ever lowan it before, mid front the Reports of she Revenue Board, lie lied every resiou to hope that it would eulitlinlir to isicirtvw. iViih respect to what had been said by the Hon. Gentleman ■s to the pro priety of a sunvlification of the accounts, l►e fully concurred with the Hun. Gesitlemuu in the pro priety of sucl► a measure, if it were psar•ticable but he really thought that the course recommend ed by the Hon. Member would only render the whole manse of the accounts more perplexed and uuititelligible; he could not, therefore, but think it more swum to continue the present fonn. 211 r. PHILLIPS said, he really did believe that ble of deer arrangement *. . . eveninK convinced bins if possible emote thaw any thing which he had Mord before. that the icenottis _ . • or the meats., were to mien uo man cook' poreibry moderstinit[them. The CNA NaiLLoa of the ElCllsOmt explained. that they were mad* up agreeably to certain forms which had beets long in nee, and if airy other • forms were adopted, any comparative statement referring to former accounts would become wholly tat s i 000 elligible. Mr. Gesn FILL said, that the Right Hon. Gen. , Ilenisr.'s paternal sissies, fur the double occouitt of the real and the nornitsal Sinking Fund was perfectly natural, the luireation being entirely his own. The CHM:SLUM of the ExcuEsueu said, its had been recommended originally by Mt. Foe, and the suggestions had afterwards been approved of 4; 4 Mr. Pitt. The motion was then put and carried. Mr. MAIIIIALY then moved ler an Account of Ithe sums of money applicable to the reelensptiou.' of the Public Debt of the United Kingdom, die ' tinguivhing that of loglaad from that of Ireland,' foe the year ending the Mb January, leen : for au Mamma alb, total amount of the Uure...,, deemed Debt of the United Kingdom. with the charges for metioging the same, separating that of Ireland from that of England. The Cuaecst.Loa of the Eictsseuaa begged to state, that the Hun. Geotlemen was incorrect in the statement be had gives in an earlier part of the everting of the 0113011164 of the debt. Mr. MAIIRLY said, he bad stated it at about 900,000,0001. The funded debt amounted to 800,000,0001. and the unfunded to 70,000,0001. which, if funded at the present mice, would be nearly 100,000,000/. awl hoth together would then be little short of what lie had dieted. The Cusricst.t.oa of the EXCIOEQUILI said, the funded debt was certainly nearly 000,000,000/. but the amount of the unfunded debt was only 30,000,0001. instead of 70,000,0001. as stated by the Hon. Member, and if honied at the present time, would add 40,000,000/. to the amount of the funded debt. The motions were then agreed to, aa were also teens! others for papers of a similar uature. Mr. MAURICS FITZOBRALO moved fur a copy of the Order of the Board of Excise of the 42d of July last; on the subject of Irish spirits. PROVISION FOR THE QUEEN. Lord CAOTLIREAGII moved the Order of the Day fur cousideriog the Report of the Committee of Supply, recommending a prueirion to be muade for the Queen. The Report being brought up and read— Mr. HuLuaStrussa rose, mid 'knit, that when . the House was in the Committee he hod moved to reduce the sum proposed to 90,000/. and be now rune ref the purpose of renewing 0186110601 i. In the course of the obmwrrations which he Ind made so that act:mien, he bad certainly been kd by the itnpetuesity of the debase into expression* which lie had much rather that he bad riot isserl..(//ear./ The Hon. and Learned Gentleman opposite had ',forged him with entertaining opinions directly at varieties with the principles of British jostler. The Member s. eased to think Oa becoose he Mr. IL Soosore) had not been present during the *hole of the inquiry. he was snit qualified to judge of the evidence,_ or to pronounce us to the Moo* ceoce or guilt of the Queen. But he thought that any man who wiss prevent ue the day when Lieutt giant Hownain wive his evidence, and had read the whole of t he proceeding* as they were published, could form u correct opinion. He was, however, willing to set entirely out of the ewe the whole of the evidence which had been produced in support of the charges liguiest her, and to rest his judgment solely on the testimony of Lieut. Howsieur ; and he felt completely justified by that testimony in the opinion which be had pronounced of her guilt. He did not think it sale to intrust her with so large a sum of money at her own clispossl, as that which the Resolution of the Committee proposed, awl he therefore now moved that the words " thirty thousand" be substituted fur the words "fifty thinipanid" in the Itesulution.—(Hear, Mr. BROVGILIAIII said, the Muse would name• diately perceive that he did nut rise to offer any op. position to the motion of the Hon. Member. Who. thew the sum stated were fifty, or thirty, or twenty, or ten thousand, was to him and' to the colleagues with whom he had the honour to he associated in her Majesty's legal counsels, a matter of absolute indifference. Her Majesty had positively declined ; to feceive any sum whatever, and it was therefore to her and to them perfectly indifferent what was the sunount voted.—(Hear, hear.) —W ith respe ll to those expressions in last night's debate, to which the Hon. Member had alluded, after the candour . which the Horiontable Genileinau had shewir to his ackiiowledgment of their impropriety, he should be the last man in that House to re• wive the remembrance of them ; but he must put it to the sense of the Hon. Member and I of the House, whether it could possibly he endured% that, night after night, as had been dime, nut only_l hthe Hots. fileitiber fur Surrey, but also by others, they should rake oat parts of the evidence whit* had been given Whore another court, and that upOn such parts and scraps of evidestee so detached they ahouU found repeated smertimie of her Majesty's guilt. This hail been dune eight after night; but he would now say, that it was a practice which could no longer be suffered.—(Loud cheers./—• Her Majesty either was, or was not acquitted. If die was acquitted, she ought to he treated au cordiegle, and no mass had a right to say that she was guilty ; if she were not acqt;itted. then why did not the prosecution go on ?—(Load cheers.) — Ii they were not satisfied with what had been done, why were not the proceedings reguhrly pursued iu that House, and evidence laid before it to prove her guilt ?—(Hear, hsar.)—Let them again bring forward the chargm, let them again go into the proof, and her Majesty would be prepared to inert them —(Load cheerisog)—bat let not such foul, such unsupported assertions any longer be dealt iii. —(Load cheering.) s-4 - ' upon artb;ensiceo . in land - pit - Once s anti tit - itlviili . , - perhaps, it tislitht not he altogether regular to allude, he, on his con science, believed her to be guilty.- e; (llear. hear.) — He-was toot to he deterrid (mitts' the iivoitcal of his otsinion by the frowns of Potrere, nor . the !runts of legal coutidence s nor by moiler 1llroour.;--(11ear.) He did nut wish to pooh (natters too far—(LaNgh , se l )—Alai as a representative of the British people, he could not couseut that so large a stint of the public money should be so applied . . • He dill not feel it safe—he slid bit know whet might he the co nsequence of such n pant. It was 4.11 known to 'patsy persons in this country, that the person wins had figured so constiietiously in . the late proceedings—be meant the courier Variant—it was. he repeated. well known io this cinitstry that that • person hod been for some time living in Paris in a style of pmfuoicni more Ix:com ing the state of any Nobleman of this coun try than one of his mean condition. Ile knew not whence the funds were derived by which that extravagance was to be supported, lie knew not who was to furnish the supplies. Were they to be furniilied by the Btitish House of Cottonton*? I-k felt it to be his duty to prevent it if possible, anal he should therefore support the motiou of the Host. Member far Surrey, and he hoped the Hon. Mem ber would divide the House uputrit, if he took only him (Sir T. B out Ohi; with him. Mr. Cultwem depretatett the habit of using such expreseioue as had been but too often heard, with 110 other object than that of lowering the character of her Majesty. He had been as anxious as aity . lll.ll to push to the greatest possible exientevery eitikase.ur to effect a savilig of the public money ; but lie could nut think the present A proper occusiou fur such ass attempt. Ile thought it utifiiir in princi ple to found such an endeavour on sit argument of her Msjrsty's guilt. If any opinion of that own existed among Gentlemen in that House, he thought the proper course fur thrust° pursue was Out which had been Pliesstiolt.4l by pier Majesty's Attorney-Ge neral, via. to proceed with the prosecetiots ligation ker. Vt'itli respect to the Message ufher Majesty to that Rouse, he isiehisted to attribute it rather to her advisers thou to her Majesty herself. The fellolo-•• 11011 which it expressed was ate in whirl) he should be sorry that she perseveres!. Th e re was is, it a magnanimity that met the ear, but of which lie did uut approve. But he thought, that 'Planner objection might be felt to that Message, it.was ton much to ground thereon such • construe . as had ben' put Moos it. Ile did lint like to are those agitations kept *up, which only peeved to put off the discussion of those queitious of deep and vital interest, which the state of the country rendered it Opponent to • hiing under consideration us speedily as possible. On • former occasion lie had voted for the smallest sum ploposed, as a grant to members of the Royal Family, to teach them a proper sense of that eco 'Homy, which, in the present burdened slate ot the country, it was expedient that they should learn to practise; but whets he saw such • question mixed up with iniastive, he should never be brought to entertain it for a moment. Mr. WESTERN said, if it were to be permitter! to any matt to rise its that Howie, and to -say that the Queeti was guilty, that House would be • place ohne the grossest injustice was tolerated. He did regret that such expiessions should be used, be cause the people would perceive in that House a departure from all those principle:sun which Mei tioli justice was founded. Mr. MAURICE FITZGERALD trusted that the spirit of economy which had un this occasion been displayed by the Host. Gentlemen oppoeite, the Members for the counties of Surrey mid Susuerret s would continue to tuotuate them on every fu ture necusiois. He could not, however, avoid ex pressing his opinion that the warmth they bad dis playeel had been wholly inOapplied. It was trot to that side of the House that they should have ad. dressed their observations, but to his Majesty's Ministers, to the Treasury Bench.—,Hear.) — They the Oppositiolit ammonia! the resolution on the *opposition of her having been acquitted : they thought her innocent; his Majesty's Ministers thought otherwise, but proposed the grant notwith standing ; those Ministers, therefore, ought to get up to defend their own conduct in this case. If Hon. Members would get up and make use of such expreosiono as had fallen (ruin the Hon. Gentlemen opposite, he trusted Ministers would rise in their own sielence.—(ldeas, hear.) Alt. !limn e SUMNER*, its explanation, said, that lie had not moved his amendment uu the ground of his opinion or her Majesty's guilt, fur he had ex pressly stated it to be Ins opinion that no vindictive proceedings should be adopted in consequence of what had occurred in the other House. Hut think ing that several of the Queen's Answers to Ad dresses presented to her, and the Message which she had yesterday sent to the House, 'thrived her wish to produce aim improper influence on the pub lic mind, he did not think it sale to intrust so large a sum of the public money to her disposal. Mr. SYKES said. that whenever a vacancy oc curred in the office of Moderator, he would 'teem ' mend the Hon. Member to become a candidate. He differed entirely from the lion. Member in his view of the question, mid lie also differed from Ilion its the construction lie had put mom her Ma jesty's Answers to the Addresses. That House was not bitting to consider o f a sc a l e o f rewar d or punishment, adapted to a case of supposed guilt or innocence, but to eun-ider wl at was • proper and pitting allowance fur a person in her high and rxaltcd station. With teal:eta to that on which the opinions of the whole people had been so stiongly ispressed,the insertion of tier name in the Liturgy, in his opinion her Majesty had a right to demand it, and he thought that, sooner or litter, it must be acceded to. Thus able legal view which the nun. mid Learned Member for Oxford had taken of the question, had carried conviction to his mind of the right, and the strong expression of the public opi uu him s cellu a t o tYl u nol o Pr it ri e etus si etili d e e l tie r ultimate l yt H h o t u l ite m e y ielded. I fehstetilyaertiw" it convicted, and on the other, that she was acquitted. la Isis optitiou she ought W be placid lit the sane ‘. . • -.. .4, condittan se if she had serer been accused,. (Hear. hear.) Mr. Alderman Wood said he *hook! content himself with replying to the Hussouratale M rather for Surrey, with one celestial,. Ile had told the Gentleman !twilight before, that if he would heitallpiruppy..qousitid oflterAlirey's to ti w fielMe. - Atelernints Woodl would' orrlrtirle that they olsouhl be paid. .fle . wished SUM to tiny whet/met he iloooorabla Aleroberlusdjulitejp . c.ket any &mind% tsPoii . her Majesil?r-4 e ili.fill i crsh-. lie would pause fort reply— t. +OA y ,fil dernom sat dorm. and Armee tlon., littitber loft it) address the House. when ~Pr. Attar' Wirral roof again got up ap t itl),T)se lio n.it-miser f u , Surrey not lisiviog orrYqeriarec.eo, make to .his (piny, he hod rtusteelotiomielli him,,,(Lottr( elver.. i n g.)...llut be hail sousetisitog to safer in lunar,' 1 ... the observations of another 'Honourable Aleurbee. The House now heard Irmo the /*leather for the county of Somerset That he twat heard of tarsi; nun of money expended by Bergami. lie hoped :I ;u he would be prepared to-mono« to spew what stun.. had beers sent him. He challesiged him to pros,- that one shilling had gone hum Iressce.—(liersr.)- That individual was et Paris at the express desire• of the Learned Gentlemen (in whose . presenue he- HUM spoke it), her Majesty 's legal Wlris►r. , is, order to leave been called to this country .if the floss. aleusher stet those who thought with him had dared to have brought the Sill into that Hume-. Had that been the core, the Hou. Member perhaps have beers gratified with a sight of the gen tleinaso.—(lleue, hear./—He had now done with: both the Hors. Gentlemen, sad would turn to the Noble Lou,i to ink hint a question similar to those he hail just put. He bad seen the. Noble Lord wading lest night from a hook aimilw to we which he. held in his lierol. Noble Lord had read it as the Queerer on s o rr i s it ie City of Caistethory Address, and the prosat4e pre euliArly marked was the following :—" I trust the period wit) arrive when I shall be able to promote the lispomeos of my subjects." A recousl assayer hied, " I shall be glad to mske my people happy." The question he would ask the.Nohle Lord *as— Ilad he ever seen those passages in writing in awe pryer coming from the Queen as her Majesty',. ensurer ? They were, he believed, ,etated to Ise the answers of her Majesty to the deputetions at Dover and Casitertsury ; but, in fact, thin e answers were say short, and were given ver— bully; according la his recollection (arid he was .Ittelient at the time) the words spoke's were sane 'tleisig like, arid were there--" It would be a great pleasure to one to make all the pi' ople happy."— (Heusi', hear.)--iler Majesty, was in conversation with the deputations some time, and wore might save •been said ; but there was um written Adders, in which such phrases occur, and he challenged. the Noble Lord to paint out any such. Lord Low - num merely rose to state, in comets. ratarti of what was asserted by the Menlho for Somersetshire, as to the style and manner of lir.. irig of Bergaini. , He was pointed out to him, stet, bas equipage, servants, and all about his modnsf living were of the most magirificeut style. )ii • what way he got the funds be could cwt 'ay, but the fact of his living in that style he could affirm. Mr. BROUGHAM and, that in consequence of the Hon. Akteraisan's reference to him, he could state. that it was entirely by his direction, in conjenctiou wi)lt his Learned Colleagues, that the individual alluded to was brought from Italy to Paris. He had heat residing on his feria in Italy, sad he war brought to Parris, there in case the Bill should have come into that House, lie might have been sent for had they thought fit to call him. That he as serted of his own knowledge. Wish respect to the scale of expenditure of that iudividuai he knew nos thug, but lie did know that if he should hare spent is great sum of money while in attendance as the call of the le g al advisers of her Majesty, lie was Hot the only witness who had made u stw.let ex penditure, Lord Caset.caeson said, that he was SUrpfifotii; the Hon. Alderman should have called 111/011 111111. Who was neither in the service or confideoce of hes Majesty, to produce the written answers of her Majesty ; so that the Hon. Alderman might very safely give the gallant challenge lie had dune. Fie thought there were other thiugs inure serious these the rlsodommitades which bad Inert read; and he thought the Hon. Alderman would have been °era pying his time better than giving challenges, if he had corrected the press of that production from *hid. the quotation was made. lie would nese read an other instance, in order that the Hon. Aldermac might Correct the error in the next edition (oil which he understood the world was shortly to be favoured) of there precious doctrines, moral, poll tical, and religious. The Noble Lord then read at extract from the Queen's Answer to the Wands worth Address of the 13th October last—•r No. Queen was ever more easy of access to her people than I have been." But these were trifling ob jections cotupared to others; his obiectiou oas the whole of the system, as laid down iu ti Answers to Addresses. A Member, whose name we could uot Irani. cotnpleitted that Hon. Members had no right ' tweet the proceedings against her Majesty 4114 •• cemetited by penury." The lion. Member termed the House to a retaliation on their Journal in which the Hoti•e of Cumenoass returned the thanks to Queen Anne fur Issuing directed tt name of the Pier:tom of Hanover to be inserted the Litutgy; that bring the fact, how could it w be contended that the insertion of her Msje name was purely niimatesial ? Mr. DENMAN Sditip that un the question her Majesty should he allowed a larger ur a simr:l sum, he felt it contadetireg the relativ , in wlndi he stood to her Majesty, to give an, opinion ; but hr found it quite impossible to lira , the sort of latiguage used by Grittlernen on the other tide. tilsont calling the ittstvition oldie Bourse' to ir. Ile approached it with regret, feeling, as he dud strongly, she pro-locution which her Nlayes:v hart. undergone. The ilersecutors had not withdrawn their persecution horn any favour for her Majesty: had prudential motives mixed with their drcisitio. SO far it was tree from blame; but yet the party accused was entitled to the fullest benefit of the acquittal. Whatever bomber of Peers had cotne to a vole ots that a-civic'', he had a right to con sider them only at individuals expressing an 010111011 which might yet be questioned. He should lake to know what chalice the Queen trued I ave hid Time, As set 'West and nocoostftuthssi lass- ' tags/ es is :. ! It so bet -1 Runge ?—f Holt. J—He thought it was thesauri es- • • • • dors as dist •-4 it vie 04 traordioary lengesge for the Ministers of the Crown respect •-••• . . .p, i „.. .; ... .. i tre. ' I - to saaction with their approbation. He thought it Right -t . , . . 2 ,-. s . was a matter that should be brought before the to .• • • -' 'it . - Hesse same as a matter Of impeachment than a knee that . these -exhorts` creepiest ly took' rili4itfut • Drench of privilege.—(lewd obeys . ) —He aid not the entire ruin of the exporter, sad that no return '. *Lail Ibtliokls-Joittd Aket..thieJosistiouts Iwasaki .iiia.made-to die .coasaily.. ... • . . . - ... ~,,. :..- . - • hove done. If isideed - be Simi driPoied to eater a Mr. Promos GRINVILL observed, that the proper apology a. the Journals of the Heuer, then Sinking Fond was merely delusive. HeSinki would tudertllbeillkuese.mijiht feel iodised to seceptit. auppose that there well y . was a searisat ng :He biped he Walla nut be considered as pressing Fund of seventeen millions, and he would ergo this Issuer issidisseiy, but realty he thought that suppose that the rod Sinking Fund assoooked to the matter slimilst not be palsied over so lii hily. fire asilliosis, iostved of two; .still•he wee at a loss He did not waist to bring op the Refl. Pharos° , from to know why the twelve ',:Vises reuisioinig 'should ..ai .. , • , i__l...J ..—.. 4...... ... a yr/nil ionewoot , not be struck -off, slid the Sinking Food be coSsi- !,.1 ither the RightAr fee ni0,60 nerAny Abet - 4. . . . • Laillididat Ili . .. , , e Gentleman RC- . , ••f• I ing his ~. '. • 4 t ~ 111 l' .. accounts: • iid it " neerW• WIWI N ;W; it ' ' lice whic ' 1 ,.... ' a "in accounts slowid usirbatlll cliegrillht,Lll4el i y . ' oface--(" Hew', ""r , d • jw. : :::) "ed II dive or sot PA's' Imilin: kali,- .At the representativi a a 'forge portion or the coout of millions season easily kept and as isnicepti- people of this couatry, he felt it his duty to declare ble of clear arrangement as of thousands. What that upon that evidence which . hadifeeosisen °in • • • e- t• • • it r• Iv It H 1 11: fa , t. •tr s••• Si tot it, Ik te, OU [it PIM Iv e• MO • 11.• lie - nor 011. he •ri I; • 111. It! ttec try He- IMP he t•ri— 'be tele 311- bll uU CM 411- No üb- the Irv. • t• Ps f , It - brit the li.. ii• sc. 7.4 I t' I CA.( 11w. I any the I 111 hurl. awn sty