The Statesman. — London, England, 1822-02-04 00:00:00

I . I 1.1111. with the noble mnv great deal to do wit' of opinion that rev .• t; I manner, might he in ille recollerted that, i proposed establiehm • presen: as aheolutcl abet when deprived a • too, t• rot them down if their reductions li thonght they might t mat ; and, in fact, must cat the coat hear.)—lle saw no i try, or rendered it n litatv force. With value it more than necessity of eontinni had heard of public anti the sentiments I economy and retren from which agricul relief, were conipi therefore, that the the necessity of at the consideration of i ble ;he Meeting wi -, 1 ,the currency, as it I ; % .cossA by the noble .which they met w o. • .not the attention v i .. not merely as an at deeply iovolveil th 'tree. The Hon. NILViTI ,sorry to disturb th vail ; and he triode' in unison with the Plover. Though tt the cense of the die 1 motives of delicacy, As it peer of the rem 1 aistently include in . lie (Mr. Fellowes) z . . t,• them. as Conlon] V, Commons nous order, he would wi • their wish that be tl:e malady under v . would refer them t ' lotion. He t i erej 1 (-tante praying for Commons. • Dr. Tccura, the Plsition, felt it his i meeting. A more i them within those I • i out; their burdens • men, he would ail Englishmen. The the last Session of that simpleton Web l• House of Common .. '.. have been, sillily tr i t a It ire, anti !polo, 1 I members of that co seek, to use a Dee 1 I . t ' but not one of them They at icor!! pre 'Mans !--admirabl dischdrge the rent . of the tax•gatberer talk of patience to under the weight o 1 /[.. rain breaking the 1 sitite to destroy th I . 1 insult to injury. I the political system their political error I I woad that he co 1 i • champion this day. even without his ar with a slime and a al:ainst the tioliah content to be cures - . '• , : The landed intere: 14ical economists I i• . I t . most have their la S' that they have a tr i I• 1 i ..ryer, he would : t I . lawyer, he won't and as a lawyer, I, and ask him if it vered. It was gni i ‘: 1 deeeived by those , I described the Brea • t the fountain of gu 1": 1 1. • . 1 k, providing a table 1 who could not get +: : 1.. (Some heir biased I l: The Sheriff collet. I t I like, Sir, the n I . ; geese of Rome 63' capital will never bad the theory of i knowledge of th ! 1 D l, is Lordship tell , the provisions to practice in oppo. 1. I, f ....,, Mercy, kiss each i. in the same crae , men, for the can: -- • . . poet tells os War is .1. . " Kings 1 .:. (Cries of question mit that there it :.. • those who ought . .1 fore you in sect have assisted in debt; they hat ruin, you, and ] They have not di ranee I impute tit talk of your pros; they have heaped 4 Bitt your conditi swain before him is the cause. 'W dire, and I do the other side wi 1 their remedies a quire importing bring is geld at - -ik . the carp. Inc ... . , 1 , ... . - „tit • kl , It mover, that excessive taxation had a -ith the evil; and he was decidedly , trenchment, in i.n extraordioary made without danger to the state. after the return of peace, Ministeri: means still larger than they were at •ly nrcessary to the publi safety ; of the means Of bupportihg them, ; and he would ask the Meeting, had endangered the country ? ' He still reduce them to a greater Pa to u•e it well-known saying, they according to the cloth.—(Hen►, danger which threatened the coon necessary to keep ep so large a nai , respect to the navy, no man eoei4 himself, but he could not see that sing to build so many ships. Thep is Meeting. in almost every county, expressed by the Noble Lord, that trenchtuent were the principal sources share and commerce could expect spiels's' in ail them. He trusted. e Meeting would be impressed with strenuously urging this point upon of Parliament. He would not triton ,itlt his opinions on the subject of bad been so fully and so ably dis- Ile mover. lie trusted the object for snit!, by means •f their petition, re of the legislature, and be regarded, agricultural question. but one which the interests of the community at cos FE 4LOWFS said be should be the unanimity which seemed to pre ited be should not do so if be acted le opinions delivered by the Noble the Noble Lord had rightly described istress, lie had not, probably from 'racy, gone far enough in his remedy. calm, the Noble Lord mild not COW 111 . his petition the subject to whit* , alluded, The power was delegated .finioners, to return representatives to House of Parlintnent. If he was ont of yittidraw.—(" (io on.")--If it were ic should tell them what produced which they now were suffering, he to a defective state of the represen /fore louposrd by troy of rider, a Sr a timely I:rforin in Me House of {hough labouring under severe Indie s duty, as a Briton, to attend this momentous subject never assembled Castle walls. The time was omin •ns were heavy; bat whilst they felt as advise them to speak and act like 'lie agriculturists of Beret Britain, in Parliam, nt, under the direction of dabe Hall, sent silly petitions to the ins, which were, as they ought to !crated. A committee was appointed. and examined, aml . wrote. The . committee, like children at hide and Devonshire phrase. were all twenties. Nem was lucky enough to find the prise. , relcribed patience. Admirable pby ,ble remedy! As if palettes would • of the landlord, satisfy the cravings there., and maintain the poor. Bet to • the agriculturists, when labouring of extreme distress—whew they s a w • hour-glass of time, and seizing its their peace and property, was to add Now was the time to speak out. To lem of the Tories they owed most of rongs. In defence of this maxim, he could grapple with their sturdiest .11l as he was, he would meet him antoor ; lie would go forth to battle a stone ; and if be did not succeed th of the Philistines, he would be .eed out of the pale of civil society. tterest had been told by one of the po - of the day, that the stockholders last shilling to support public faith— mortgage on their lands. But, as a I ask them to produce the deed ; as a I ask them by whom it was executed ; he would 3.k them for the witness; t were duly signed. sealed, and den tine necessary that they should not be political economists. Mr. Malthus , rest lied of benevolence and wisdom— goodness, the source of knowledge—as de too small for the guests; and those get in to the table were to be starved.— lase& whilst others loudly applauded.) — lied to order. Dr. Tucker proceeded. r noise of these animals ; though the saved the capitol, I am sure that our •be saved by these geese. You have of Mr. Malthus ; 11.1 W fur the practical the Prime Minister. Lord Liverpool. Its you that the table is too large, and too abundart. there are theoty and tosition they do not, like Peace and other ; but are like vinegar and oil set.—(Mach laughter.)—Now, gentle cause—that cause is war. An amiable a same, were subjects wise, would not play at. ' ton,)—l am glad that my opponents ad is force in my expressions: they touch it to feel. They ought to come be ickcloth and ashes, and repent. They in heaping upon you 800 millions of we nearly plunged into the gulf of your wires, and your little. ones. lone so, I hope, intentionally; to 'gam e these sad effects. They dare now to e prosperity; they add figure to figure, till heaped Pelion on Ossi as high as Olympus: Aition is like that of Tantalus: the trait im, lint which he could not touch. War We hare been informed of many reme not doubt but that the gentlemen on will also prescribe patience. Some of are equally as absurd. They may re : ditties to Increase price ; ►ut lest they stores with the corn, they will mistake Increasing price, without increasing the STATr.SM . . means of purchase, is fallacioua. They will speak lightly of taxation, though that is so e iffieient a ranee of your ill.. In 1792, the whole expense o'f governing did not amount to 8 milliona; now it ie about 27 mil -liens. -4tednee ?rtation ns nearly as possible to the standard of 1792,and you *id again prettier. 1 wig tell you how it maybe fair'y reduced. Direct your representatives to Rive Ministers double the sum which they bad in 1792 for the expenses of tioverument, and no more, and you will save 11 mullions. Then one third pert of the most oppressive taxes maybe removed : these taxes are Injurious in effect, as well as enorstions lin amount. They take from those who want, to give to those who onebt not to require.—The 1 mode of taxation is unjust.—(Loud Applause.)— The oentleman pap a linty on his malt, the poor man a second ditty on his beer. If the rich man has a window nine feet by three feet nine inches, he pays but for one window; but if the man of lower rank has a window !oar feet by too, he is charged for two. If the poor man hil's a pig, he must sell one half to buy salt, to salt in the other. 1 could give you a hundred examples. To raise taxes fairly. the standard must be composed of the amount of property and the superfluity of possession'. Then, again, we hear mach about poor-rates; hot those who talk so loudly about these rites, forget that when the poor rates did not exceed two millions, the Excise amounteJ to no mare thee five mil ions, and has now , risen to twenty-six. The productive el a pay twenty of these twenty-six millions, and yet some grudge the six millions paid to the necessitous brethren of these pro ductive classes. Do you, then, reqnire taxation to be reduced to a fair level ?—(.. Ves, we will.")—I am sorry the petition proposed by the Noble Lord does not contain all the requests which you ought to make. I hold that Noble Lord in the highest estimation— there is no man I more respect. I venerate Lis con duct and his example.—(llear, hear.)-1 would not flatter Neptune for his throne, nor Jove for his power to thunder. Rut that petition does not fairly repre sent your sentiments. Do you agree with Lull Cast-1 tlereagh, that you are ignorantly impatient of tat- ation ? Da you agree with Lord Liverpool, that abundance is an evil ? Do you agree oith Mr. Mal thus, that the table is ton small ? Do you agree that you are not taxed enough i Do you want no other I relief than the petition describes? If yon do not, the I rod with which you are whipped is too light for your offences—you deserve richly a sounder whipping. Forget not the Agricultural Committee, remember their prescriptions ; they were like the old woman who possessed an admirable receipt for making plum.pud ding, but she had neither eggs, nor milk, nor suet, nor dour.—(A laugh.)-1 look to no Utopian schemes for relief. Have the constitution as established in 1698 ; but the constitution of the present day is no more like the past, than the bones of our deliverer are like William the Third.—(A laugh.)—Let me repeat what I said to you in the beginning—feel like men, and speak and act like Englishmen. I second the proposition made by the lion. Mr. Fellowes, and only regret that it extends no further. ft seems I should call his intendment a rider. Re , have had too many riders in this country ; the clergy have rode you for centuries—now the lawyers ride goo ; but if yon take my advice, you will melee., seat uneasy to both. (Laughter.)—The day of adversity has began—it II your duty to'try if you caosot regale- happier days. The Tories are fallen this day before 31ei t koad Uwe be thanked that they are cast on the gronni. Mr. RODD considered the peewit an awful crisis ; and, conscious as he hail always been, of hie Inability to address a public meeting. be would now burst through every difficulty. The subject was horrific : their no ble ship the Britons& was plonged in west tremend ous breakers ; not a wag of sill, water-logged, and without a helm; nothing but the efforti trot gallant o . crew could rescue her from sinking.—(M' Redd was I frequently interrupted by the impatience ati gait of the Meeting, manifested particularly at his iitcarrence to written notes o( his speech ; and he therefore desisted from reading.] Colonel WAKE thought it perfectly useless, after the two witty speeches which bad just beet) delivered, to trouble the Meeting more, thin, fot Wk. sake of an*. nim.ty, to agree to the petition brottglt forward by the Lord Lieutenant. •_ _ . . Lord CLIFFORD, as one of the requisitionists, was anxious that there should be no appeatance of division in the Alerting. He would not say that he considered the petition as entirely perfect, or embracing all the topics that would be JesirAble ; hot it appeared to him to answer all the purposes of the requisitionists. Whether he approved or not of the proposed amend ment, he considered the introduction of topics foreign to the intention of :he requisitionists most occasion dissension. It they wished for a Meeting to petition for Parliamentary Reform;in God's name let them call one. The petition had been seconded by a Nuble Lord, who, however he might differ foto some of them, wished well to the county ; unanimity was a great point, and he should regret exceedingly if, fur a ailing addition, they lost what they had before them. —(Hear, hear.)' - The Hon. NEwrow PccLowes. In riify, 'said, that his amendment *as not foreign to the object of the requisition, which, as be understood it, was to tall the attention of the county to the disc f agriculture, its causes, and remedy. As the defective state of the representation was the evil whence the distress had arisen, thet:e would be no effect ...I remedy until that cause was removed. Mr. HAMLIN—It bad been aptly said that the know ledge of a disease was half its cure. '1 lie canker which oppressed them was taxation and corruption— the remedies were reform and retrenchment: he pat reform first, for without that, they would never have the other. They slionld petition Parliament in plain and explicit language, for Ministers were dello( appre hension when retrenchment was called tor.—(A l aug h.) —He congratulated the meeting on being enabled to speak on such a subject, without having the charge of disloyalty imputed to them. Hemline loyalty did not consist in congratulatory addresses, .or in convivial meetings, or in being paid by the country.—(Cries of " Question.") True loyalty was a devoted attachment to oar glorioui constitution, of which the King was the head ; and in taking care that on all occasions he be rightly informed as to the state of his people. Colonel Pau, addressed the meeting frost a written paper in support of the amendment. The times, he said, were perilous ; and if the depressionson agrlealtore were not removed, the sinews of this great country mN , Weald he Oleittl e forarrirrignre sod commerce rise 1r fall together. Nothing., bat a reformed repos sentatloa *Wilt* people would go to the extent of the remedy. - The Ree.NIP, - P. 'roost as eonceired it their duty to speak the whole troth : and if he saw that the petition had his courser-nee, he should soy what wen untrue, (or it did not go far enough. The Rev. Oentlem sn drew a comparison between Government expenses and taxes of 1783 and those of 1819. •He could not help retorting upon his friend Dr. Tucker. who had borne so hard on" the cloth," and say that a large proportion of the poor-rates went to the lawysne. He trusted he was now even with hie Learned Friend on the score of pro fession. In 1819—and let it he remembered that was a time of peace—the taxes were 77 millions, and the poor-rates more than eight millions; and the differ ' mice in taxes and other imposts, compared with the year 1783, showed an excess in the present day of 62 millions. This fact appealed more forcibly to their feelings thus any figure of speech. The farmer could ,not pay each an excessive taxation with his diminished means ; and if this language were radical, let him be termed so still, as he had been for some time past; it was not to him a term of reproach, bat one in which he gloried. Mr. BIRD congratulated the county on the prospect of carrying up' • petition on Parliatuentaiy Reform lie trusted they :voila ,hew themselves to be English men, who would scorn to do any thing that would dis unite or distress the people. When the ship was on a let shore, it was to no purpose to fall to cursing the pilot. It was not merely a reminetion of taxation that was wanted, but a diminution of the public eapen.li• classes should give up something: let it be gln at the fountain Lead, with the civil list. A more loyal nation did not exist—the people of this country loved their monarch, hut that monarch must be lin.ited. —(llisses and applause )—There were times when every man should speak out, and act firmly, even if it should lead to the dungeon, the acaffold, or the field. A reform in Parliament, though it would not pay oar debts, would convince the people that they were sin cere, and would restore lime country once more to una nimity and happinetem. it would be injustice not to propose a vote of gratitude to an individual. who had saved many thousands to an oppressed people—he seed scarcely same to them Mr. Hume. He (Mr. H.) lilted them to give him three times three cheers.- IThe cheers were accordingly given.)—That country was n.t to be despaired of, when it was capable of such en impulse as they had just shown. If they did not carry the petition for reform, they would do nothing. He proposed three times three for Reform.— (Cheering.) Lord FORTRIICOR said, that altbenrh the usige of minty-meeting cave him the privilege of replying, yet he nerd not lay any great claim upon their pati ease in the exercise of it. The great objection to his proposition seemed to be, that it did not go quite to the extent some persons wished ; but if it hail. it would have failed in producing that most desirable object—inanimity. His Lordship then observed in justification of himself, that the unanimity bad not pro ceeded from any compromise whatever; that the peti tion was purely the result of his own thoughts, with out communication with any other person. lie hoped it would go forth as the unanimous voice of the county —it would then have • strong impeession : but if di vided, its effect would be lust. The Noble Earl apo logised for the absence of Lord Ebriegton, which was occasioned by his Lordship not being enabled to pro cure a place in any of the coaches from London. The UNDER Sumter said, that be should take the opinion of the meeting upon the original petition ; and, if that was adopted, then, whether the rider should be added to it. ' The petition was tarried by acclansalon, without a dissentient voice; the rider was then put, which was declared to he carried by a considerable majority. The Rev. PROCTOR THOMAS then moved that the members be requested to present the petition to Par liament, and support time prayer of it. The Rev. JONES seconded it. Several voices called upon the county members to support the prayer of the petition. Sir THOMAS Act.AND then came forward and said, that he bad heard time repeated calls of time meeting, and he had not been insensible to them ; on time con trary, he had not obeyed those calls sooner, from that respect to the meeting which wonld not suffer him to interrupt the regular order of its proceedings. Ile came there with a disposi:ion, as he told a part of them a thou time since in another place, to learn their sentiments, rather than to impose his upon them. It was rarely the duty of a county member to obtrude his opinions upon his constituents, when they were se numerously assembled to express their own : they had invested him with a higher authority—atunely. to do them justice as faithfully as the best dictates of his judgment would direct him in the great senate of the nation. Ile had not been in the habit of deceiving them, nor would he on the present occasion. With respect to the first part of the petition, he was happy to find that his own general feelings on the necessity of economy had received such a sanction and authority as were derived from the unanimous consent of the meeting, and be should he truly happy if by his et• tions he could advance its salutary purpose.—(" Rider and all ?" said a voice in the crowd : • You shall hear that presently," said Sir Tisomas.)—W idle here face to face, (added Sir T.) a situation which I hope no coo duct of mine shall ever make me hesitate to meet. I will state my sentiments fairly on the subject. I hope es support the body of the petition according to Ibis best of my own judgment, conscientiously, disinte restedly, and with the knowledge that I mu to meet you again ; but upon any particular details or the precise mode ef effecting retrenchment, I do nos e ceive myself tallest upon to express any further opi nion ; and as to the rider proposed to be added by Mr. Fellowes, reform in Parliament is a subject most im portant, complicated, difficult, and estensive in all its bearings, and I will plainly avow fiat that part of the petition will receive no pledge of support front me. —(Much noise and disapprobution from the crowd.) le the first place, on the consideration of this question. you Lave nut yourselves been unanimous; and even of the majority who have resolved the amendment. I should like to know, amongst the thousands here as setebled, first, bow many real Freeholders are to be included? and, secondly, of those, bow many are at all agreed is opinion as to what they wont I think a wise and salutary reform? Timis, bad I no other tea- n, would justify me in withholding any pledi the sehject.--(liissing.)—" lf, gentlemen, said Sir Thomas Adana. " you are not dispose' let me proceed further, I will no longer die' general good humour of the Meeting, lint will those who do not choose to Lear tuy opinluns, Mr. DASTARD said, that he should contest with statist& that be should. consider it his attend is his place In the House of Commons, seat the petition they bad adopted. Mr. BlRD.—Don't be cheated: ask your MI if they will support it. Hon. NEWTON FELLOWS/ wished a Comi procure signatures. Col. Pau. said that the High Sheriff &Ott Dr. TUCKER.—Adhere to an old maxim : 10, dom from your enemies. Whenever the I ores beaten us, they have had the petition signed as r ously as possible. Let us do the sme ; names to the deed. Mr. Fras nos said that those who liked mi ; the petition; and those who did not, might rider. I merely speak to the form of oar pr weedier. Sir THOMAS ACLAKD.—The meeting ben fir•t e measly adopted the petition as reposed ' Fortescue; and secondly, by a considerahie certaialy a rider. This petition, therefore, additional clause attached to it, now actual) totes the proceedings of the county meeting.. and no oother document can go out as utte;al, the antitority of this meeting.—(Great app:aus-, cries of " Very fair, very honourable.") persons who disapprove of the prayer fur reform 10 sit n the petition, without the rider, they • at full liberty to do so, and to circulate the signatures; not as the act of a county mewl's, as eapressing their own sentiments as individuals._ You n intim' have two petitions ; one, a:madmen:it; meeting, the other of individuals of the connty• their •• recant greatest rotea" respectively will he the statement as its own fair worth. 'are two modes for your adoption here: one' tition to be engrossed and left in the Cate tore; and the other to send it into the diti deeds. Dr. TUCK Eft then proposed that the frst weaned by the Honourable Baronet, shou ld Le which was a'greed to. Colonel Ps:A. Capt. ilsvt.vy, and Mr. Fo, thee appointed as a Committee to see the fame Into effect. Lord Rom.r then came forward and said. leave to say that I cannot assent to that rider. firm friend to my conntry, lam free to deelart bet petition would have more effect. We the,original petition engrossed, and we will names that we protest against that rider." probation and some applause.) Lord FORTESCUE then mitred sus think* to riff, and the meeting dispersed. • , - It is supposed that between s.ooo . and•MON were assembled in the Castle...card. • PRICE OP STOCKS THIS DAY AT ONF: 04:1.0t*A. Rank Stock lndia Stock. 3 per Cent. R.d. Ditto Bonds 3 per Ct. Con. 768 71: South Sea Stock S 8 per Cent-- ...... gib South Sea Old Ars 4 per Cents roi Es. Sill 2d.10001. 6 per Cents.leavy 1073fj . 65.7.. S per Cent _-susall.. 6s 9 , Unlit Ann..... 199-16 11-16 Coo. for Acct..... insp. 3 per Cent l imns for ditto... Irish b cer Cent Lott. Tickets.... RIOH WATIR AT LONDOII-.IIIIIIIIIITo - itogren w . Mond= id ss. after! —Elmslag e. after 9 Ctlt ktAteginan. TX' i.rn.i STATESIIAII " IS IWO * ****** VIM sT Vl' TSTILA 4." LONDON: WON DAY EVENING, rreau.tar 4, 1E.4 STOCK EXCHANGE., TWELVE 0' There Is a good deal of business doing . ing. Consols are at present 77i for the ammo By the Irisb papers received to-day, we sre to learn that the accounts from the county were highly favourable to returning peace I quillity. The Coroner's Inquest on the deatl unfortunate Buckley had commenced slttinfr day ae'nnight. By an order from the E Dublin. on the Gth of Decembrr last, it apple the Board had enjoined the several officers • ploy the Yeomanry on Revenue duty. New York papers arrived this morning to •It. by which we have a repetition of the G I San Martin's en:ry into Vasa, and niestion from that General to the Chief Mr Buenos Ayres, stating that the Castle of C. by 300 of the enemy's troops, was closely land and by water, and was expected to snr. few days. A proclamation of the Genetal Santa Martha Gazette declares the parity tical vie •s, the evils that toast result froi tioirernment while ii , voire.l in war, and Li somption of the title of Proteetor of Pcro, session of saprents poser, political and ur names his own Ministry, &c. hnt proctiri state of things as es:ahlislied by hia4 0.31 the meeting of the Representatives of thi nation. By the Buenos Are. papers to the I her, we learn that aff.tirs there were eery and conducted with sagacity. moderatiu: ality. Military operation.; had entirely CI .winence of the decisive and sanguiniry ai took place between the f dlowers of the I;eueral Miguel earreara and the army, in of Mendoza. Et 30)1 TIE NATION 1L .1 IWO(ATF. 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