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IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. 110UsE OF LORDS—FazoaT, MAY 20. Mr. Clarke eoscloded his reply in the Roxborgh peal Cause, s beet the Loot, iuforturd alp Cuuusel, that oo their ottearlalittr, to-usoi tow, suttee Mould 'spree what Wither proceethar utrglit be uet.esittry uu Woodsy. Mr. Molt so, and others, brought op from the House of Coossous the Tatiners' Itegu:atiou l3tU also several-Priests Mills mere liessoght up, all which were laid. epos the ''able, end read a tree hese. - SCOTCH APPEAL • ; EARL OM WERYSI D. Ii`QUEILDI. The taco Cassicattme, stated, that Counsel having been beard, and' evidence adduced, at their Lordships bur, in respect to the case above meistinied, it now remained for that (louse to de termine whether the iuterldquitur in the Court below should be reversed or affirmed ? ,'llie Earl of LAnntliDat.e, is a speech which :Mewed what great attention and minute research he had employed upo& the subject, stated, that liter all his care to 'OM the best consideration upon this question,' be was led to determine, that the jade-tent of the Court below ought to be re versed. The griunds upots which he hod farmed his decision were the different Acts of Parliament in Scotland, whic:Olad been framed, at various times, from the latter cud of the sizteenth century, doers to the time of the Union. The question itself bow before their Lordships regarded the sti pends reserved out of the Teiutts in Scotland, for the proper iiiiiateaance of the Clergy. • lie con tended, thst tia', Act made in the latter end of the sisteentb century, others made in 1617, 1621, and 1631. and another made about the time of the lllifitta. all particularly were intended to prevent the farther augmentation of the 'tips:444 Clergy men out of the 'feint's. He also atm. t;'. that al though there were man s decisions of the Chart of Session, which in ninaertrtiuses bad countenanced teat proceeding, still . lii sithinitted it to the judg ment of that Home:dint' where statutes were so clear that it was impeieible to put any other but one construction upon their tueauing, in that case, liewever long a series of decisions ml ht have eon tinued, still, if they were in contradiction of ex istiiig si mutes, of which the owe )) itt g could not be doubtful, the length of tintotiroulrl not sanction such errseenus decisions. But the Court of Ses sion in all those decision, gave the best explanation of its own eondoct, by roiumenting upon the au thority under which those decisions were first a.looteri. Regularly down to the Union no alter atien es'ettever had taken plate in the law as it stood. to the further augmentation of the stipends or the Clergy, nutil those dscisious Of the Court of SesuiQi. ; and they were not made in the first instance a: authorized by the existiug law, hut seemed rather to proceed from a *pint of ettllre stience, mid by their repetition became of great consequence to successive Judges. His Lordship are,oed to a greet length. and very ably, that this question would involve a great deal of interest amongst heritors. He contended, that the Clergy ostler those Acts of Parliament had no claim upon the Teinds for the augmentation of their livings ; and awed, 'I That their Lordships reverse the In terloquithr." The I.oanCnANCILLoR complimented theNohle Earl (Lauderdale) upon the able and proper manner in which he had discharged his &lie upon that oc casion. The parties, and also th;it House, were indebted to him for his great labour and attention. The Noble and Learned Lord observed, that un doubtedly where statutes were so clear and obvious, that it would sse impossible to pet My bet one construction upop them, in such case there could be a• question, but • any decision made contrary there to, would in itself, 4,- void. The Noble and Learned Lord, after a Yeti eloquent speech, said, i i that in vase the Earl of f,liti erdale's motion should be negatived , he should tilje move, ti That the In terloqiutur should bel rmed, subject to cer tain altautions, which be should then propose." The liar% of LSUSSIOALII'a motion was nega tived without *division. The Loan CliAllcELLoit's motion was then put, and agreed to unanimously. Adjourned till to-morrow. ■ori OF COMMONS. fir S. Row tt.Llr kneed lip los Mill Co. iTranting compen sation to persons confiei it and Nought to trail for criminal offences. aril Lund iot leent, wi i.. h urns read a first and or dered to tic ri see ad time on I . neat. On the motiou of Mr C. W. W. Si • •• r, the lasnaties' Bill went through a Cominittee, and was reported. The further consideration of the report was timed for 'flinrad•y west. Admiral HAtYoT resentrd a Petition from some persons in Erie:, prayiug the intended regulation of distilling hem Nagar should not be adopted. Sir .1 Awes Morro ***** brought up a Bill for pomeut ing tire shooting enteral la doettaud, which was tend • first time. Several Private Bilh were brought down from the House of Lords. The New Forest Bill was mail • emend time and ordered to be committed on Monday. Mr lit ',Kitson brought up a Bill fur Imapewring the Land Revenue of the Crown. Bead a first time, and order. ed to he read a aecunil lime on Moodily neat. Mr. Roar pressiourd paper* relative to the Ndadmideare of the Clergy, in persuanee of his motion. Thy Duch. of Heenan tors Ananity Bill was read a se rand time, and ordered to be committed. The Bill for continuing the Commisvienri. of Military In quiry was ordered to he oast a second time us Monday neat. The Stomp Duty Bill was ordered to be ri ail • secoisil time on Monday. • • tin the Mullen of (Le GIRA of the E‘c rotes, it was ordered, that the Howse, glom its railing, du adjourn is Monday next TANNERS' !JILT- The above Bill was...n ... a third time. Mr. T. Joriss °pleased the passing of the Bill, u eakulated to sacrifice the interests of the mutter., a most respectable body of men, to that of the curriers who had by no means such strong claim. on the Legislature fur pr_oteetion. • Mr. Meutsi, Mr. H. Batrwmv, and Mr. Di- VMS GIDDT, supported the Bill. mud contended the imputation cast out by the Hou. Uentleusan the Bill was altogether unfounded. The Bill then . pasord. CH11.1.1 The C,biltrite;lini Thll was theti moved to be react u third time. The Somrrost-Gt.but At. ob,wrreli, that by the state of the taw et preseut, persuivi w he stole children fee the punomeofeoneeelivig them, in order to obtain the reward offered wittelly to tomb cars, os i* el i at ti.o•ii who intended to make the child a means of procuring gain, by begging from the pubic, being s upposed Out to act with a malicious latent, were not subject to the paiiishmerst of the law. The same neglect had taken place iu the present bill, and hence he wished to introduce an amendment, which should remedy this inadverteut detect, by adding to the clause for subjecting to pUllialltnellt those who should steal a child to strip it of its clothes, the words " or fur any other purpose of lucre or gain." After sonic observations from Mr. W. WYNNE, 3lr. Alderman COMBE, Mr. LUNNINGToN, and Mr. SIMIAN, the clause was permitted to be amended ; several other amendments were made and agreed to, and the bill passed. CLOTHING OF THE ARMY. ('colonel W AZDEI. rose to more for certain papers hid' had passed between persons either in, or con nected with, the military department, and which, he hoped, would give him each information as might enable bim to make such improvement in the clothing of the military, as would be produetive of a using to the country of 20,0001. per annum. If the plan lie should submit should be extended nut only to the army, but also to the militia sad locals , he had no doubt but the saving would in iacreas ed to 100,0001. annually. Ile then usoiSsd for copies of letters from thy Secretary of the Trea sury to the Secretary at War, dated the lith of December, 1807, with his answer, relative to sup plying the army with great-coats, with copies of all other letters which had recently passed on the same subject. Mr. Hugh*: .att hail no objection to their pro duction, but conceived the lion. Member rather sanguine iu his expectations. MR. PALMER'S CLAIM. Mr. LETIIIRIDGE moved the House in Com mittee, to consider Mr. Palmer's claim. In the Committee he moved, , 4 That leave be gis en to bring in a Bill for securing to Mr. Palmer the future annual per ventage on the increased revenue of the _ Poet - 04ce, pursuant to his agreemeut with Go• !eminent in 1799." Mr. BANKES wished the llou. Gentleman should so frame the motion, that it would include both the past and future per ventage ; the claim to the one was as strong es the claim to the other ; atirl he wished that as they stood upon the same ground, they should be both comprised m the same Bill, be would, if permitted, so frame the motion. Mr. LgTHeiLIDGE replied, that the arrears were of very considerable amount, and should, he thought, he discharged by a vote of money in a Committee of the House ; whilst the annual fu ture per centage would be discharged by a bill ori ginating in the Committee, and coming from the mertased post-office revenue. Mr. BANSES said, such was the answer lie ea peeterl, when he had asked the favour of reforming the Bill. He was still of opinion the two sums should be included in the Bill ; the arrears should be defrayerl from the increased post-office revenue, which eras lodged in the sousolidated fund, out af which it was impossible to draw out shilling with► out the sanction of an Act of Parliameut. The grant had a prospective and retrospective part, over both of which this House alone ehould not have a controul, but also the other parts of the legisla ture. He thought it very unconstitutional that the other House should not have the privilege of rejecting any grant of money, especially from that sacred deposit, the consolidated fund, which this House might vote. Hence he should move," That the wordfature be left out of' the motion," which would bring the whole ler the review of all branches of the Lee,i•latere Mr. MARRY AT opposed the original motion. Strangers werethen excluded ; when we hear the gram ma made an able and eloquent speech in fa vour of Mr. Palmer's claim ; after which a division took place, when the original motion was carried by 63 to 31. Upon the resolution being moved in the Com mittee for giving instruction to the Chairman (Nit-. Faller) to move for leave to bring in a Bill pur suant to the resolution, Mr. Rosa stated his ohjectinns at considerable length. To prove the statement of Mr. Brakes, be adduced two iustances of grants of public mo ney, both of which had been introduced iu the 'shape of Bills, and thrown out by the Lords. Ile never before had heard the right questioned. The motion paued, the House resumed, and leave was given to prepare the Bill. SUGAR DISTILLING. Lord 'limits() wished to know from the Hon. Member whose Motion re-pecting the Minions-11c, was to come before the House that evening, %he ther he could not aremirmodate the !home so me to fis his motion for Monday, that the House might go through the sugar arrangement without inter rup!son ? Mr. TAT Lott said, he felt it his duty to proceed, as several things had already occasioned its delay to a very late period of the session. Mr PoNsoway lamented extremely the irregit larity which had of lute crept into the House, by repeatedly deferring the Orders of the Day. This was without precedent in the history of Parliament ; and never had Members so repeatedly been dis appointed as in the last Session of Parliament. This was a very seriuns evil, us no man knew for certain what uvula be on any evening the subject of discussion. It' the sugar measure were deferred to Monday. that day was by c 1111 l :non consent fixed for the Erratic° dit4etro.i,iii, in which the character of a Member ws , deeply itivoled—thence he rection niendel the Hem. Member to permit the Sugur Distilling Bill to be then discussed, and to put oil' his intended motion to any one day after Slouch'' , next. _ _ The Cnsycr Lyme of the EXcIIEQuEIt said, the corn and lite•iiiess had been settled for to-slay, iii came tho notice of the llou. 'Member should not he followed np. It might then be proper to let it stand over to Nlliniday, and very little inconveni ence Mould re Alt from the accommodation. Always a very P u fruit , t notice had been given of every am nia' of importance; and hence he thought there euidd lie little ground for the complaint of irregu hirit% v bleb had been made. Ttrata LI , wished the Hon. Member would pen Lit the notice to stand over, as the question of distilleries was of patch vast importance, and should there6 , ie be speedily dispatched. Ile added, that it had appeared the general sense of the !louse, that the Dardonriles question should give place on that evening to wore prew.iug business. This Mr. Tavtoa refused to comply with ; and accordingly Lord BINNING postponed the consi deration of the sugar business to Monday. • EXPEDITION TO THE DARDANELLES. Mr. W. TAYLOR, 11l pursuance of his notice, rose to make his motion relative to this Expedition! hut in doing so, neither his voice nor his manner deliiery was such as to enable those in the vinery to hear with any degree of distinctness the arguments he need upon this occasion ; it was with the utmost difficulty we could collect the following particulars : He begau by endeavouring to remove any impressions he conceived might exist utifaiisurable to him, from the numerous postponements of this discussion: During the last Session, accounts of the miscarriage of the two expeditious to the I)arilauelles had been fre quently alluded to, and although a notice hail been given. upon this subject, in another place, during this present sitting of Parliament, he believed no satisfactory explanation had been yet given of the causes of failure. When lie gave nonce fur the production of the necessary documents, he was %nom& of the real nature of this exipedition, and he really at that time believed it had trees► sea out to destroy the alliance of the Ottoman Porte with the French tiovernnimit, and was rather willing to ascribe credit to Owe coot erued in the . pla 1111 l ng of it. When, however, he had read the papers, he must acknowledge he had formed a very different opinion of the whole transaction. He therefore thought it his duty to call the attention of the lloilse to a consideration of the causes and circumstances atte•ding that expedition, which were so Jimtseditabls to this country, and to.every man of that GoVerinnent conceived in involving us in war with the Sublime Porte. it was by DO means his inelination to aggravate the business, of inflame the minds of those who heard I _ ; but he should merely state the case as it appeared from such information as he had been able to collect from the papersalreatly before them. From these it appear ed that that war had been entered iota solely to support Russian interests, and that it was totally contrary to justice and *owed policy. The only treaty of alliance between this country and Russia, connected with Turkey, was formed to Me, and the object of it was, that they should conjointly pro secute, in that quarter of the world, war against Free ce. By the Tu rkidareaty, the Porte was bound to act in alliance with us, to stop the aggressions of the French in that quarter, and they agreed not to snake peace, except in conjunction with each other. This last was almost u copy of the Russia n Treaty, so far as concerned the war against France. In the year I eoe, however, a special treaty war entered into between the Otter/tau Porte and Russia, some of the conventions of which, it appeared, were in fringed by the Ottoman Porte, on account of the detention of some Hos'odars or Turkish Officers, by Russia, and a dispute that had taken place re lative to the passage of the Bosphorus, and, the en trance of some Reesiun ships into the Black Sea. The consetinctice of these disputes between Russia and the Porte was, the plunging us into a war with the latter of t'sase Powers, which, he should insist, was ; perfee , ty unjust, unnecessary, im politic, an/ unprovoked. If the right of passage bad been allowed the Rnvian flrei which was su perior to the Turkish, Constantinoole would have been entirely at the mercy of the Russians. The o.llv permi,inon I , iven to the Rue:lane was, that in dividual ships, but not squadrons, should be *f losses! a passage, as a protection to the lonian re public. Ile did think that it was somewhat ex traurdinery, that we should have entered into a war with the Ottoman Porte, w ithout taking the pains to discover whether such a tasty existed between the loissiatts and that power, when it liras so much our interest to remain at peace with them.— This was the more extraordinary, as it appeared that the wogresions proceeded entirely upon the part of Russia against Turkey, and any interfer ence of nurs could not have Prevented it. He was thena,rc Sed to furor this opinion, from attendiug to the penis! at which the Russian Minister seemed to have take, umbrage. The Hou. Gentleman then prorecile4l to reel copions extracts from the sariaus dorms's:us s Is fore the Blouse, in order to substan tiate his argiuswists, and to shew that Turkey had uo intention with France to farm auy eoimection against us: and he next coecluJed with moving the following Resolutions, winch. "That it appears Ili* Majesty's Fleet, tinder the com mand of Admiral Dm kwertia, arrived at constaisto,uple en the 11:411 of February, leo; i and after remaining tea du's, returned without hating accomplished an, im portant ohject. That the failure of that expedition relief ts upon the hammer and the character of the British ; mid that the (adore of the other eApedition, against atraandria, react t• spun tbehainuar of the liritish areas." Mr. T. Gimes - 11.1.s then rose, and stated, that it gave him lunch satisfaction, that after the long and multiplied delays vs hich had taken place, lie had at last heard suds resolutiona, in such 14 shape as made theta at least tangible. It enabled the last Ministers, whose combust was thereby called in question, to meet the purty that made them. Ile was so far front compla i ning of the institution of an inquiry of this nature. that he deemed it to be one ' of the most valuable parts of our constitution, that those who have hurl public functions to per form, should be called upon to give an account of the 1111111111 T in which they had performed them. He was not only glad to see that in every Matinee such inquisitorial power was strictly discharged as to every one then in office with him, but inure espe cially on liis individual account, 144 it enabled him personally to do away those impressions which had taken place upon former occasions. Ile knew not whence:they lossl originated, or where they had at all taken root. Although his attendance in the blouse had not of late been such as to enable him to know even• circtinestanee that hail parsed, yet from what Ise 1;041 heard, it appeared that those of the present Administratiou were isschned to disclaim till parti cipation in the expedition in, question, and to de clew the institution of an inquiry iuto the the sub ject. In doing so, lie thought flit Majesty's tars bad takes the right and most judicious course; but he had to complain, that their conduct Lad not, in other respects, been so consistent or proper, as bethought lie was at first acst-ranted in supposing although they had never expressly egad openly asked for hapsir!, vet,day after day, they had Urih throw ing out insinuations, by collateral urgunients, its order to ',reduce impressions unfavourable to the last Administration. Theis argiimeets and all e Warns bad tended to impress some with a loAise that it was impossible fur His alsiesty's Lite tem to combat the occut,atioo wade by thew- i a . sinuations, and made too in a manlier that old not aduiit of an answer from those tviaiii s horn bore. Wien he alluded to expression., that had bean used, he meant those that lad been utte r e d in a viulent and hasty moment of debate, and it was not his wish to ascribe any improper or uuparliainetaary 'motives to those who uttered them. i 1 as it, he would a.k, proper fur a Se cretary of State for Foreign Afiiirs, to say, that the late Ministers had made a dicersiou in tee South of Europe, with ship-v, without troops, when uo requisition had been triode by the Ott... man Porte for either? lie could hardly belies,: his ears when he heard ',itch au asset:l:4i from such a quarter. \Vheu he alluded to that expression used in a late debate, he could i. t 1,- iieve that the Right Hon. Gentleman was actin, d by motives purposely tenditig to ani,itad the woo of the flolise ; but that they mereiy a „ t from the heat of debate, while he knew that thrr e was no founilatioie for it. As to the sell past is questiou, that it was o .e that :::,paireal no prow „ r arguoio.:at, ~,!1 his part, 1 , 4 his e3,,iieation, asi.l:i sit of all his col!eagnes, must be evident to those a had read the papers lain liefore the Mouse. tir from that expedition not being ii. colet.queuca. ol a requisition, 111vould appear from toe deco/L.. i.ts that it was the result of one made to Mr. Arbuiii. not, at Constantinople. Without meaning any disrespect to the lionounible Gentlernau r, bo hot proposed these Resolutions, he must say, that if he conceived that any of the orpiment, hr (Mr. lor) had used upon this OCCUSbOII were likely to he adopted by the House, or to make aay itnprrs , .,oa upon it, ice *Wahl think it his duty to pursue tee subject mach more at length thou he should la.. die ; but till he should hear some opinions fro:1 other quarters of the House, that Wu. Genticti.ai must forgive him fur expressinA his conviction dud nu other man in the House would adopt such t course of argument, or eutertaiu ottch seutitueets, after reading the before them. Vet that Honourable G f ri ni emaut had liven rci:- vineetl of the propriety and policy of the late Government, till lie had read those very pares which form their justification. The Hone* would not forget thit Le was obliged to complain of tile manner in which that lion. Gentleman spoke of the late Ministers, at the tinie lie first hinted as to this inquiry, in using words of censure and re. proud, at the very moment he was ton g to call for paprs e, and before any kind 1 charge was, even in his own naiad, proved alcohol* them. The state which we stood as to Turkey, was to be found in the Triple Alliance, dated the Bth ofia nnary, 1799, which was printed, and laid upon the table. The Hon. Gentleman had considered that treaty as the origin of all oar connection or inter fereure with the Ottoman Porte, god did not seem to advert that it was only the result of a long inter course between. them, and an endeavour to make English influence comae& the two countries, Russia and the Porte, more intimately, in friarliship with each other, and in alliance with Great Britain.— It was after the peace of Jassy that the triple alit' once was thus formed bets ems Eastland, Russia, and Turkey. He believed that so man ended read that treaty, and the comments that were made upon it, both by the Enslish Minister, et Collates ; tinople, mid Lord [lomat here, and say that there remained any doubt whatever as to the right (:re-st Britain had to interfere with an armed force at Constantinople. to favour the execution of the terms of the triple affiliate. One very materiel mistnke he lad fallen into was, that not having examined the whale subject minutely, wherever he did net find • document, be presumed it dal not at all exist. Ile, Mr. Taylor, did nut ap to know, that there was a treaty hearing date the 91st Marcfi, 1900, contaiuing a cotevcrs tem between Russia and the Porte, that each of those powers should scud troop* and ships during the war fur the protection of tile lonian lased , and that the Russian ships had liberty to coo through the Dardanelles. The non-performance of Its stipulatiout was to be deemed a direct breach of the convention, and England was to guarantee its performance. Could it then be necessary Ict him to speak of those general feelitis of policy, which nacos-ally United the lust Gore ttttt tent of the coin:try to support and maintain, as much as pose tile, and consisteney with justice, the rights and interests of Russia? lie was entering into no question that implicated the conduct of that Mi nistry which preceded the last, or of that which succeeded them ; because for a long course of years it had been deemed most politic and expedient to cultivate the friendship and intimate connection of the Court of Russia. It was necessary, therefore, to make illiwance for the state of foreign relatioas which a Ministry find existing when they cone into power. Wes there any disposition in their . who heard him to question the p ropriety o f the instructions that were given to Mr. Arbuth not to support the interests of Russia at the Porte Ile surely could not think so after the perineal of the paper he bad moved for, intis tuled " Copies of all the Instructions sent to Ills Majesty's Minister at the Porte, in 1805." That docuinent would spew under what instructions Mr. Arbuthnot was acting, when the late Mi nisters were called to His Majesty's Coun cils. It was impossible not to see whet actuated them iu supporting the interests of Russia, and ex tending, as far as possible, the connection between them. Resides this, they had strung proofs of the. !crowing hostility of 'Turkey to the interests Rossi:. and Great Britain. Here the Right Huh. Gent. read, in support of his argument, a dispiin II from Mr. Arbuthnot relative, to a note of Schte tints', the French Minister, which was an in.tAnt:e of the violence and insolence of French diploolley. It was therein insinuated, that if the Porte did not shut out all Russian and English ships. the Eui peror would employ a great force against them. to compel them to dissolve all connection with these two countries. Every means was used itt Ilowiek's dispatch, of the 14th November, to ree , •l the Turks to a sense of better policy than to listen to the Preach propositions. or to he entstreel' 3l! 'Y their influeoce. ft desired the immediate retio‘ .ll of beliestiani, as the only mode of I notiottat,g t i er friendship of the two powers. England and !tow. The Right Him. Member then proceiiied to rad, a -variety of extract* fiuen the corre.uritiilenei7 Mr. Arbuthnot. wit!, Lord blowick, v.:A eh • ..t 1, .h~ l p:,: ; J %% 4i lliui ticery of ev offiti, culln late teiliq tie ? but Coui (leen fortr arras on svr Ca WY