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4 . • Nob :~ A anning) was a proprietor, there was some security for the humane treatment of the slave ; hut when he was desired to look to M. Such-a-one, the Chainitan or Deputy Chairman of a Board of Directors in London, he lost that security, anti was deprived of the restraint from cruelties arising from individual respoosibility, . always became less satisfactory as it was shared with many. far from imposing a restraint, the present Bill went to encourage and aggravate the evils of the existing system.) (Hear, her. I Mr. MARINO had not read the Bill, nor did he profess to be' intimately acquainted with its details ; but, as far as he understood it was not liable to the objections made to it by his lion. Friend. object of the Bill was the formation of a Company, to take them West India business. But it is said that the formation is Company will increase the traffic in slaves: this was a part system of exaggeration which had been carried on upon all iestinns connected with this subject. He (Mr. Haring) main. t, that as far as the formation of this Company operated, it go to prevent the traffic in slaves. Ile bad never heard aoy those who indulged in exaggeration take upon them to say, ty importations arrived at our West• India Islands for the of foreign slaves. The traffic must be within the colonies therefore, and lie (Mr. Baring) knew that any traffic which existed -ithin the colonies arose from the distresses of the masters. The ''.being of the slaves depends upon the well-being of those who above them. A half-starred master makes a half-starved ter and nothing can be more absurd than to say that the slave be improved by doing injury to the mum. The Company :ed by the Bill before the House, hold little to do with a traffic every; hut if the formation of this Company produced any it would be to prevent the frequent transfer of the slaves, a which was at once bijurions to them and demonstrative of distresses of their masters. There was not sufficient security felt to induce capitalists individually to hazard their mon e y i n .t India speculations, but the formation of this Company would produce, in some degree, a feeling of security. No rational man ' l . l have any apprehension that a company of merchants acting ly in London could help to oppress the slaves in. the West . Ile could net sit down without observing that he under the slave mane was now carried on in an unblushing man r foreign powers, that in their negocianions had the meanness Ivory it. Not the slightest atrempt was made to disguise It in • : and in countries where disguise was attempted, it only more injurious to the wretched slaves. He (Mr. Baring) laved that there wet now a greater mars of misery amongst the ace population than had existed since tne slave question was first agitated. M. W. SMITH said this Bill was being passed in ri hasty and mdiscussed manner, because it was a private Bill. Had 'it been viewed as a public measure, it would have been treated in a different mannet above stairs. The Honourable Member ( Mr. Baring) thought he got rid of the question of absenteeship, but he (Mr. Smith) would ask—may not the mortgagees foreclose ? The ct of this Company would be to holster up a ruinous and delu. system, which would tend to the postponement of those re. it, without which the West India islands cannot stand. The before the House only engages persons to support the present •em, who would otherwise have no interest in ha continuance. se were the objects proposed by the passing of the Bill, and he Smith) %tmid therefore vote against it. . R. ELLIS stippotted the Bill. No Honourable Member be more anxious than he was to promote the improvement of slave population, as fares was consistent with the tranquillity security of our West bidia Islands ; but he thought there was toundation for the apprelie:;sion that the formation of the new spiny would prove any impediment to reform or improvement. .e Company was formed solely for the purposes of trade, and the imprietors, in their character as West India Merchants, had no to do with the improvement of the slaves than any Member at House. As mornyagers. unless they were in possession, could exercise no influence over hie condition of the negroes. Bill specifically states. that it was no part of the plan of this many to become West India planters. The business of a West inds merchant is more profitable than that of a planter, and it is s iiitorest, if he has a mortgage on a planter's property, to guard 'r , t the foreclose of that mortgage. He thought that the pro likely to fall into the hands of the Company timuld be that resident proprietors, and he saw no reason to think that it . not be then as well administered for the benefit of the 'ne as under any other circumstances. te House then divided, when there appeared for the third read. 103—against it tn.—Majority 711. SLAVE TRADE. Secretary CANNING laid upon the table the copy of a between his Britannic Majesty and the King of Sweden and ty, respecting the right of search for negroes in vends tg under the Swedish flag. In presenting those papers to the House, he made a few observation■ in a very feeble tone of voice. the purport of which was understood to be, that the object of his Isjesty's Govertment had been to obtain as widely as possible the right of searching for slaves, and by ete treaty then laid on the table, Sweden had conceded that privilege. This advantage be 'me the more valuable, in consequence of many vessels, not sane 'net; by the Government of Sweden, having been suspected of car ing on this traffic. By this treaty we would beat liberty to search suspected vessels bearing the Swedish flag. RUSSIAN CLAIMS IN AMERICA. Mr. Secretary CANNING also laid upon the table the copy of a convention between Great Britain and Russia. On this subjet t be was understood to see, that three or four yeats ago. as the House wou:d recollect, a Ukase had been issued by Russia, in which the - :rnperor claimed exclusive sovereignty of a considerable portion of r.erth.west can't of America. The object of the present con. Sion was to ascertain the nature and define the bruits of these ems. SOUTH AMERICA. _ _ - tr. Secretary CANSINH likewise laid upon the table the siTy . a Treaty of Amity, Commerce, and Navigation between this country and the United Province.' of Rio de la Plata. R. WILSON applauded a treaty which did so much honour both countries, and which was likely to be productive of so ntudt mutual advantage. It was a noble homage done by one of the greatest countrits on earth, to the rights of man. The present treaty was an instrument which exalted our character and would extend our renown, as well as lead to the more substantial advan tages of commercial inteteourYe with that rising country--a country *Lich is hourly augmenting its strength, increasing its population, and consolidating its strength by the establishment of free institu tions founded upon the splendid effort which they had made for emancipation. The pemle of that country were entitlA to ap plause, not only for this effort, but the moderate use w'.ich they made of their independence, not merely moderate but liberal. The firs: and best use they made of it was by giving liberty to all 1.0 drew breath on their soil. Generosity such as this, however, was rot confined to Buenos Ayres ; it found its highest constant r:ation in the achievements of him who had justly acquired the utie of Liberator of his country. Ile would not be rendering ju.tic.: if he passed over without approbation the names of those who, under the auspices of the Right lion. Gentleman opposite, had extended British commerce in that quarter of the world. BREACH (IF PRIV I LEGE. Mr. CURTER.; rose to complain of some misrepresentation of what he said, that had recently appeared in a Morning Papa. (Cries of order, order.) He appealed to the Chair whether he was out of order. The SPEAKER said that the Hon. Member must he considered out of order unless he intended to conclude with a motion, that the person whom he suspected of the misrepresentation should be cod to the bar of that Houle. TIN conversation then dropped. CO3l LUNATION LAW'S. Site T. LETHBRIDGE presented a petition from the coach shakers of Bath, against the revival of the Combination Laws. Mr. HUIIE presented a similar petition from certain boot and shoo makers.—Both to lie on the table. CATHOLIC CLAIMS. . . Mr. W. SMITH presented a petition from • Unitarian Congre giti in 111 Exeter, in favour of concession to the Roman Catholics.- 1 /rticred to lie on the table. COTTON SPINNERS. Mr. 11011110 USE rose to present a petition relative to a Bill which lie had introduced into that llouse respecting the hours of wark of the children employed in Cotton Factories. It eru from certain master manufacturers in Manchester, in favour of the Bill, and recommended that children should not be employed longer than c !even hours on live days of the week, and eight and a half on Sa. t-. ri tys. JUDGES' SAiARIES (ENGLAND). On the question that the House do resolve itself into a Committee o:. the Judge s ' Salaries, Mr. LEYCESTER observed that a third Assize alight be este. bineheil without any additional expense ; for by taking one Judge eacti of the three Courts (the King's Bench, the Exchequer, sad the Common PI , as). their services would be available for the pa poses of the third Assize. Having four Judges in these uturts was an innovation of the time of Charles 11. V. JlitllZAtUre, as it now stood, he censured strongly: one day a Welsh Judge was to be seen on the Bench, anutlici at the Bar, and a U.inl playing he part of a palliCl3ll. Te 'looser:waived itself into a Committee. 'Pile CHANCELLOR of the EXCliEttlJEli then rose—From the noise created by Members entering the House, the Bight lonour.ible Gentleman's tint sentences were not distinctly heard. He said that it was in itself an object most interesting to the country. that the officiating judge he tilled by persons of dignity and importance that they should be high in the public estimati.m, as persons competent to discharge the great trust reposed in them, sod Justify the public reliance. The object of the proposed measure was to grant an adeluate maintenance to the judges, and also to remove certain imperfections in the laws. To these two points would he (tontine his observations. lie did not propose nor did he conceive it his duty to enter into a general review of the ednaiiistration of 'jostle:, if the Honourable .Menilper who just sat down, had only waited to hear the nature of the Bill. Ile would t:d chat it had no reference whatever to the Welch Judges, nor w-or4l he (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) even mention them in the CJUMC of his observations ; the alterations which it was intended to make in the system was in conformity with the recommendation of the Commissioners, and was in reference to the fees and salaries of tl,e Chief Jasticea. The pecommendation was one which could mot, being regarded as most iiimmtant, and deeply affecting the administration ri Justice. was dud the sale of certain offices by the Alliief Jm nen; of the King's Belch and Common Pleas be pre rrentecL t Hear, hear.) Hs looked on it as something inconsistent WILO the oignity, as incompatible with the really substaiitial dig- ' stir of those exalted pe rso n ag e s , that such a practice should cease. IHmr, hear. i It cernuilly hail the seconimetidation of antiquity, aid in the reign of a former Raig, when die sale of certain offices was declared illegal, an exception was made in favour of those to saloon Le was now alluding. He, however, dill not think niece an tigalty a reason for continuing any system bout to be objection. able. (Beat.) lie would state w die House the predicament in mum which they were placed with reepect to those offices—or from the constitution of the COWLS a ooninderatile proportion of emolument might be derived by the Chief Justice from the sale of offices. He used the word " might," as it was possible that the offices might be in the hands of younger lives than the Judi", and that there fore the Judges could not avail themselves of his privileges. It was poe •ible too that one Chief Justice should in a short time sell all the offices, whilst others had no opportunity of availing them selves of that certainly legitimate source of emolument. It would, he thought, be contrary to every principle of justice, in the ar rangement then proposed to be made, not to take into considera tion the emoluments which might spring from that source. In the King's Bench there were four offices, which the Lord Chief Justice had the power of selling, and which occasionally contributed very much to increase his income. The first was, that of Chief Clerk, an office which he understood to he highly important; the office of Clerk of the Treasury--Castor Drevenn ; Filazer Exigenter. and Clerk of the Outlawries. The first of these officers the Chief Clerk had the right of appointing ; other subordinate officers, such as Clerks of the Rolm, of Declarations, of Entreats, and of the Dockets.—all these situations were In his gift, and it was well known that they were not only saleable, but in almost every instance sold. Now. if it were improper that the Lord Chief Jus tice should exercise the right, it followed a fortiori that it must be improper far any person under him to have the power of disposing of them in the same manner. He thought the same principle ought to apply to the Conrt of Common Pleas—that the abolition of the sale of offices should extend equally to both ; it was not worth while to mention the names of those offices which were saleable in that Court. 'the Bill then before the House provided for them all. The offices which the Chief Justice of the Common Pleas had the right of selling were far more numerous than those over which the Lard Chief Justice of the King's Bench exercised the same right. There was another matter of great importance, and one which he (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) thought admitted of a most salutary reform. At present a portion of the Judges' salary was made up of a certain fee arisiog out of proceedings before the Court ; lie could but think such a source as inconsistent with the dignity and the respect in which these distinguished personages should be held. It was also, he thought, incompatible with the simplicity of a Judge that lie should be depentlea, on fees for hi. maintenance. See the difficulties in which he was placed by it. If a suitor hesitates to pay, it may be disagreeable to him to enforce, and yet he has no alternative out either to act in a manner which must be so repugnant to his feelinge, or give up what he is strictly entitled to, and what forms part of his annual income. It may not be stung that fees be paid; the objection was to their bps/ col lected for the Judges. The intention now was that thekemodtould remain the same, but that the Judges be made independent of those who paid thent. It was intended too tl.at certain offiemersenesim die fees nut of which they were to pay their own salaries, and hand the remainder over to the Exchequer to help to pay the Judges the compensation which, under the new system, they were to receive. The Puisne Judges were in the same predicament with respect to fees; they were by Act of Parliament entitled to four thoueandpounds s-year, part of which was paid from the civil list, and from fees. lithe four thousand pounds were not made up from these sources, the difference was supplied from the Consolidated Fund; and these individuals were obliged to make returns of the fees received by them to the Lords of the Treasury, thereby becoming, in some measure, public accountants (hear, hear), a thing which all must admit to be inconsistent with the situations which the held. The course about to be pumped with respect to saleable of must ne cessarily deprive the Chief Justices of considerable emolument. It must be improper, therefore, in the general improvement to tak e place, to forget that ' circumstance. The House must feel that it would be wrong not to regulate the salary according to that which they then had. It was of course impossible to fix the precise sum derivable from the sale of offices. He endeavoured to form as esti mate of what the salary ought to be; he had given the subject much consideration t and, after looking to what they had then, a. well as to what they were giving up, he thought no i n dividual could ob ject to the proposed amount. At present the Lord Chief Justice had from the Civil List four thousand pounds. liable however to • considerable reduction from the Land Tax. Tne remainder of his salary was made from fees contingent on the business in his Court ; from both sources he derived about 9.5001., from which, it' the land tax, which might be set down at 5001.. and also other deductions were to be made, it would be found that the net salary was under 9,000!., a sum which must be considered too low for the services rendered. Now it appemred to him that 10,0001. would not be more than adequate to compensate an individual of so high a rank as the I.ord Chief Justice must necessarily be. The sum could not be considered extravagant by any person who weighed well the import. ante it was of to have such a situation filled by men of eminence, men distinguished in their profession. Every one must see the necessity of making the situation of Judge worthy of acceptance, that they might be able to avail themselves of the services of such men. He therefore proposed that the Chief Justice of the King's Bench receive a fixed eatery of 10,001. W. a year. Next in order was the Chief Justice of the Common Pleas. The house were, of course, aware that he was inferior in rank and dignity, and even in judicial importance, to the Chief Justice of the King's Bench ; his situation too had always been inferior in emolument. He too would be compelled to give up his fee as well at his right of sale and patronage. Looking at it therefore in the same view, he thought the Chief Justice of the Common Pleas entitled to not less than 8,0001. Independent of other reasons, there was one great conrideration why there should not be a wide difference between the salaries of time two Chief Justices. (Hear, bear.) Such was his opinion, though he did not sigh to lay it down as a rule that the Chief Justice of the Common Pleas should not be eligible to till the situation of Chief Judge of the king's Bench. His wish was, by raising the salary of the former, to assist in keeping down the aspiration which must always exist in proportion to the disparity between time emoluments of two situations. He did not look on it as a matter of course that no such promotion should take place, but was anxious to lessen as much as possible all inducements by which Judges might be actuated to wish for promotion. (Hear, bear.) Before he proceeded further, he ought perhaps to notice the situa tion of another Judge, inferior to the Chief Justice of the King's Bench, who was circumstanced in a very peculiar manner owing to the extreme delicacy of the individual who held that office in 1809 ; at that period the salaries of all: the other Judges was raised except that of the Master of the Rolls, to whom lie alluded ; that circuinstance arose from the unnecessary delicacy and the great dis interestedness of Sir Wm. Grant, who declined asking an increase of salary, and who, when asked what increase he thought should be made, refused to give • reply. Ile (the Chancellor of the Ex. chequer) looked on it as a very unfair return for such disinterested conduct on the pare of that respected individual. Certainly there existed no reason why they should not now rented) the defect. The salary of the Master of the Rolls was derived from the Civil List, and from fees—of the latter he wished to speak at present. They were now order consideration, and he had no wish either to anticipate or prematurely interfere with the subject. The Master of the Rolls derived also some emolument from the react ml of a certain estate; altogether, his income never exceeded, het sometimes fell short of 4,00111. a- ear. Every one must feel suzio a eum to be inadequate. Ile did not mean to lay any stress on the additional labour which may be imposed on him of attend ing his Mejesty's Privy Counsel, or the House of Lords; merely, with reference to his judicial labours, every one must feel 4,000/. to be an inadequate remuneration. He proposed, therefore, to raise it to 7,0001. a-year. He proposed to raise the salary of the Chief Baron of tilt Exchequer to the same amount- At pre. sent that Judge received but 5.0001. a.year. He (the Chan cellor of the Exchequer) did not know any office or situation connected with the administration of justice, which required greater talents than that of Chief Baron ; amongst other quell. hcations it was indispensably necessary that he be a pro. found Equity Lawyer. When he considered this, as well as the labour of going on circuit, he thought 7,000/. the least sum that could be offered. The Puisne Judges were next to be considered : —it was a question of great importance that their claims should be well weighed. Ile wished also that his remark as to what might be called promotion on the Bench, should equally apply to them ; with that view be was anxious that their situation should at once be made respectable, and that a proper dignity be attached to it; at present they have but 4,000/. a year. All who knew the great profits of the legal profession, and the large emoluments made by those members of it who p ossessed talent, rank, and character, must feel with hint, that there could be no worseoolicy than keep. ing down the salaries of Judges. The consequence was that few barristers of great eminence or character—that few who had em barked in the profession, and who looked to a competent provisicn for their families, but thought the situation of Judge beneath their acceptance. (Ilear, hear.) The fact was. that no 1111111 of any emi. nence will undertake the duties of the office if the emoluments be contiated so low—no such person will ever be found to accept the of. five at that period of his life when he could discharge the duties of it effectually. lie may indeed be induced to take it, when bodily infirmity or some such cause made him incapable of pursu ing hi* ordinary practice so advantageously as at a former period. (Hear, hear.) In 11131 point of view the present salary must be considered too low. The intended increase would not be more titan a fair compensation, and certainly not more than adequate to ensure a proper supply of eminent men. Ile considered he was proposing hut a reasonable salary when lie intended that the I'uisne Judges should receive each 691101. (Hear, hear.) From the very Nattering manner in which his proposition had been received, he did not ap. l prebend much difference of opinion as to the projected alterations. He was actuated by no other motive than a desire of re moving inmperfections from the administration of justice ; to increase the dignity of the office of Judge, and that remect in which it Apulia he always held in the eyes of the people. He did not conceive it possible that any man could be actuated by consider ations of economy on a subject like the present, or he would show that, as a matter of mere economy, the intended alterations were desirable. With respect to offices that were saleable, it was pro. posed that the power of the Chief Justices to dispose of them should cease at once, but that such officers—the Chief Clerk for instance—as had the right of selling inferior offices, should enjoy the name right during the continuance of their offices. The Right Honourable Gentleman, after passing a high eulogium on the administration of justice in this country, which he declared to be not only the admi ration of its own inhabitants, but of such foreigners as studied our Constitution, concluded with moving Resolutions embodying the proposed alterations. Mr. DENNI AN ha I no objection that all reasonable compen sation *Mould be made to the thief .latices for the loss of any of fices which were saleable. Ile did not see why the proximity should necessarily exist between the salaries of time Chief Justices of the Common Pleas and King's Bench. With respect to time Master of the Rolls, the amount of whose salary he did not pre cisely know— The CHANCEL lAM of the EXCHEQUER informed the Lion. Member that its amount was about 4,0(n)!. Mr. DENMAN resumed. Ile was not indisposed to have the salary of the blaster of the Rolls increased. With regard to the Judges he did not think a fair case was made out. It was ex. treinely painful to him to oppose a measure Intended to benefit . eauftwi Manuin, treatmer Snch.a., Biretta restraint which al tso far 'mama (Hear. Mr. 1 intimate it. it wa The obj upon th, of this I of the sy gueston • rained, • would g • of those that any traffic of therefor. within t well.bei are abov vent. an could lx affected in slave: effect, system the disc TOR to West It produce • could hi • publicly Indies. stood th ner by I to di:on France proved b•LeveO slave pc • agiratid W. % undiscu viewed manner thought Smith) effect of sive cyst torms, 1 Bill bef • syrs:efil, These a (Mr. So 31r. I could be •the slaw and sect no 1011111 UMW The Co propriet more to of that they cot The Compu lnd:a Lis iittm again , t r e7ty lil ut the et would n groes as The I • t7.g 103 Mr. E treaty b Nurwa, • trading • f House, the pur. Msjest) right of table, ! vine tl tietted 1 rying o any sus Mr.! convent was un. would Empert the nor , rertion Mr. E 05 a T cuuntry Sir K to both 1 rtutual greatest treaty extend t ages of and cor twin fa etnancil plause, made ot lire: ant dre was rot ration vile of yusticz. i ut had ext Mr. what Milne* out of e The out ot person t THE BRITISH PRESS. those individuals with whom he lived in the daily interchange of kindness. ll'hatever reason there was for the increase of salary to the Judges of the King's Bench, those of the Common Pleas he thought had no right whatever to expect it. In general they went into their Court between 1U and 11 in the morning, and left it between 11 andl2. Ile thmight it not right that Parliament should every year be increasing the salaries ofJudges; hedislike I the principle altogether. They had been told it was necessary, if they wished the eminent men of the Bar to accept the dignified situation of a Judge, that they should hold nut an inducement of higher reward than that which such a situation already offered. Now he had never heard that there was any deficiency of leading men at the Bar, who would be willing to accept the situation of a Puisne Judge with its pre sent advantages. He had never heard of any one man who refused to retire to such a station on account of the superior profits and ad vantages of his business at the Bar. For the truth was, that Judges were not alone paid by the 4.0001., or whatever it was which they received as a salary—they were paid by the dignity of their station—by its ease—by its rank and honours. They were paid by being relieved from all the fluctuations of fortune—from all the anxieties and cares which injure the constitution and destroy the health, and by being placed in the enjoyment of a handsome pension and comparative leisure for the remainder of their life. It was not in the enjoyment of that leisure that it sou to be supposed ther were to acquire the wherewithal to support their station with dignity : during their early days--during that time when they had been earning the character and the rank which finally marked them as men fit for the situation they were called to adorn, they amassed enough of fortune to enable them to retire to the Bench with the means of upholding its dignity apart from any sinister motives. Remove, he would say, all pretence for their being charged with such motives--remove all motives which could lead them to en tertain hope of advancement or fear of being neglected—let it not be understood that one station is to be made the necessary pas. sage to another—remove all the mischief and wickedness attend ant upon any sacrifice of judicial integrity to gain favour with the Crown, and let it not be understood that by increasing their de pendence upon Government they give them additional means of supporting their dignity of chancier. No complaint, as far as he bad heard--certainly the Right Honourable Gentleman did not say there had not been any—no complaint had been made of want— none of being under-paid. The expense of the third Andra, the only good ground whictqcould be advanced for such an increase, had been paid to them, voted to them by that House, and yet all of a sudden they were called upon to give these Puisne Judges, with out complaint upon their part of being underpaid—without com plaint upon the part of those who proposed the increase, that they could not get a sufficier.ey of able men to accept the office—they were called upon, he said, to give these Judges a bonus of 2,0001., and yet after that gill, admitting that it was necessary, still they would not by such an increase rare them beyond the middling class of society ; they would still leave them infinitely poorer than the generality of the Members of that House—they would not be able to get them out of the purlieus of the canuilk—they would still leave them in that place, of which perhaps many Gentlemen in that House did not know the situation, he meant Russell square—they would still leave them far too poor for Grosvenor ; and he thought it would be better to allow them to remain in these places where they had hitherto lived perfectly respected, and with that kind of income which had been allowed to them not without mature consideration. Having thus stated his opinions upon the subjects of grants, which he thought had been classed together in a manner very incorrect, and some of which stood upon grounds very distinct from the others ; he begged to say that be considered the reasons for the advance of income to the two Chiefs Justice and the Master of the Rolls, to be perfectly good and defensible, but that with regard to the others, he felt it his duty, and he might be be lieved when be added it was a painful one, not to consent to the arrangement proposed, unless a much better case of necessity could be made out for the consideration of the floute. Dr. LUSH INGTON said he always felt considerable pain when he was compelled to differ from those friends with whom he acted on that side of the House, but from having given the subject now before them a considerable degree of attention, he did not feel the same distrust of judgment he might Lave felt on any other occa. sion when opposed to his Honourable and Learned Friend (Mr. Denman.) He always looked upon any proposition with regard to the salaries of those who filled the judgment seat in our Courts of Justice, as having only one object to secure for the due admi nistration of the laws—able, respectable, and efficient Judged', by allowing them a sum which would render them perfectly indepen dent of all considerations of interest or necessity. Ilia Honourable Friend had not expressed any disinclination to give the Chief Jus tice of the King's Bench 10.0001. a year, but he had qualified his consent, perhaps; by adding that he only gave it as a compensation foe the loss of tees, and because he considered that sum a fair cal culation against the sums which had been mentioned as belonging to the situation. Now though he admitted that it was a matter of great importance in get rid of the sale of places in the Courts of Justici, yet he did not consider that as the only reason why the. should fix adequate reffiunerating sums for those who devoted their talents to those high stations. If he understood his Honourable Friend rightly.. he said," You have hitherto had just, honourable, u aright, and learned men on the bench ; you have had no deficiency of men of talent to supply those places ; you have had no complaint of the smallness of the salary, and you ought not, therefore, to raise it at the instigation of his Majesty's Government." Now he would ask his Honourable Friend whether the same objections, as well as to the comirg from his Majesty's Government as to others, would Dot have held equally good against the raising of the salary in 1809. llis Honourable Friend said the Puisne Judges had no claim—that they had not complained of any want. It was true they had ant destructed themselves by coming forward as humble petitioners for the bounty _of the State ; but if it be meant to say that their Wary was sufficient to support the dignities of their situation. bemuse say that he knew it was not ; that he knew they did suffer deprivations; that they were compelled to feel they could not gave one farthing for the benefit of their fa lies, and that they found their income unequal to their yearly expenditure. He thought, indeed, they had borne with singular patience the difficulties of their situation, and that their silence should not be used as an argument against the justice of their claims. It was allowed that the duties were as much as ought to be imposed upon any men, and when they took into their consi deration the great additional expense of attending at Assists, the extraordinary increase of the gentlemen of the Bar, and the suns necessary for supporting the hospitality of the Bench, he thought no man could say that the sum of 4,0001. was sufficient to support them in respectability, or make any future provision for their fami lies; and when they considered that the country appropriated to itself the tirae and talents of those men when in the prime of life, with their mental and bodily powers underayed, he maintained that an increase of that sum was necessary to command the services of such men, and adequately remunerate them, and that the people of England were entitled to the services of men whose mental and corporeal powers were anexhausted. It had been said there was no difficulty in getting men of talent to fill those 'Situations. Certainly that was true. But did they not consider the high honour, the great rank, the advancement in society, which such an elevation secured ; and were they, because a man might be tempted by that peat honour to accept of such a situation—because he might be induced to sacrifice his honours and emoluments at the bar—were they to be so unjust as to see him make that sacrifice of time, health, and fortune, without awarding hits an adequate compensa tion. He was of opinion that the House would gladly sanction a measure which would, in some degree, put an end to such injus tice; and merely declaring that he could not agree with his Honourable Friend that there ought to be any distinctions,' he would say that for the reasons he had stated, and many others which he thought might be advanced on the subject—the measure in question had his decided approval. Before sitting down, however, he would make one or two observations upon a subject connected with the question. It was his opinion that some regulation should be adopted which would give a more general distribution of busi ness between the King's Bench, Cotnmon Pleas, and Exchequer. Great objections existed In the Common Pleas to the practice of confining the business to Sergeants, and in the Exchequer to the Attorneys, with some difference of the fees; now he thought that if the causes of these objections were taken away, and all the Courts put upon a proper footing, and equally economical, the business of the King's Bench ynuld not be so overwhelm ingly great, and that the change would be attended with consider. able benefit to the country. Another reason he would here stat e for the increase of the salaries of the Judges, was the great in crease of crime, and the additional business required to be done at the Old Bailey. On the Home Circuit, too, although there had been a third Assize, so great was the increase of cases, that they ac tually had not been able to despatch the civil business, and here he would remark that he saw no reason why the whole of the cases occurring in the Bills of Mortality should not be taken at the Old Salley, instead of being carried to the respective counties. The Right Honourable Gentleman said that he wished to raise the salary to 6,0001. that they might not be liable to those aspirations for higher prefemients, which might exist at the present moment ; and he was bound to say that the keeping of seven or eight Puisne Judges in hopes of preferment, and in a continual state of excite ment and operation upon those feelings of the human mind which it was hypocrisy to den, that all possessed—that the consequence of such a state, the seeking to do things acceptable to the higher powers', was a thing dangerous to the country, and which could not be too much deprecated. He did not allude to any particular per. son, but lie thought that promotions from that body excited those feelings highly, and that if it ever did take place, it should be an exception to a rule, and never occur but in favour of transcendent powers and on great occasions. There was one other circumstance connected with this question, which lie would take leave to men tion—the power of exclusively passing sentence in cases of toi• minal jurisdiction—that power lie would wish to see divided with the other Judges. At present the Judges of the Court of King's Balch, in every case tried in the country, are compelled to read long speeches and documents detailing the proceedings upon the trial before they proceed to pass sentence. This he considered a great loss of time as well as a severe hardship to the Judges of the King's Bench ; and he thought that without violating any great principle of jurisprudence, they might permit the other Judges to pass sentence in the same manner, and thus materially expedite the business of' the King's Bench, as well as divide more equally the ditties of the Courts. The Hon. Gentleman, after some observations upon the nature of the fees of the Courts. and the necessity for investigating the nature of them, although they were, as the Right lion. Gentleman said, to be paid into the Treasury, disclaims, however, soy reflection upon either Lords Ehlenborough or Kenyon, concluded by expressing his determina tion to comport the Resolution. Mr. J. %V I LLI A MS, while he heard of the removal of saleable offices, and the increase of salaries, could not but expresss his regret that no amendment or alteration had been proposed by the Right Hon. Gentleman (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) in the practice or construction of these Courts. It was true his lion. and Learned Friend had thrown out mime suggestions, but when he considered how slight was the attention paid to any thing which cam,: front his side of the House upon any question he could no: bat deplore that they had not heard him a little upon that subject as well as upon the causer of the distribution of the additional salary. With respect to the increase to the Chief Justice. lie agreed with his Learned Friend (Mr. Denman) that it was just and proper, provided it was regulated by the amount of the loss incurred ; but while he admitted that there might be some reason for them, he confessed he had heard no reasons fur the increase to the Vice- Chancellor or the Puisne Judges. He had listened with' attention to hear if any man in his prime had retuned to accept the office of a Puisne Judge, for if that had been the case the publ.c had a right to expect complaint ; but no buch case bad been mentioned, and until they were able to show that either the young or the old had refused the office on account of the insufficiency of its salary, I lie thought they were not entitled to call upon that House for an increase. The Hon. Gentleman then proceeded to enforce the ne cessity of some alteration in the Courts of King's Bench and Com mon Pleas, and said there were 250 canes in the King's Bench, and only 25 in the Common Pleas, and from seven to ten in the Ex chequer; and that therefore there would be a great advantage in dividing the business among the Courts. lie concluded by eased ing his desire to hear of some reform in the Courts as well as in crease in thc salaries of the Judges. Mr. Secretary PEEL thought the House was obliged to his Learned Friend for the very able speech which he had made in fa. Your of the motion. He had truly said that the situation of the l'uisne Judges was an important consideration in this measure. His observations had been equally just upon the point of age. Any man that examined into the matter would find that upon an average of five-and-twenty years, the Judges had been t 0 years of age. This alone. in his ( Mr. Peel's) opinion, was a sufficient, proof that the provision for the Judges had not been of that amount as to induce barristers in the prime of life to abandon their practice. ' He need nor, he thought, bring any particular instance, as that must be a nufficient proof of the necessity of this measure. The lion. Gentleman who first opposed the motion had, in his opinion, been completely answered. lie (Mr. Peel) protested against what had been said relative to its being absolutely necessary for a bar rister to have acquired a large fortune before taking upon himself the office of Judge. This,i n his opinion, was a principle too aristocratical to be admitted . Let the salary of a Judge be suf ficient to maintain the integrity of his office. Let it be fixed at live. six. or seven thousand pounds, if so much were necessary. It had been complained that no details of fees, &c. had beat en tered into; but be they what they might, it was impossible to re• duce them now, on account of the private interests which were at present involved by the places having been brought by the present holders. The arrangement which was now proposed would obviate those difficulties. The fees in his opinion ought to be reduced, upon the sole principle that the moment they were received dis interestedness must ewe. With regard to what bad been said of Puisne Judges having been promoted t, the Chief Justicsship, ft was very true, but it was airier it had been refused by gentle.nen at the bar. The pleasure 'lid not originate with any -wish on the part of Government to possess any undue influence over the Judges, but simply, as Fe had said before, to make their salary equal to support the dignity of the office they held. It had been said that the amount of c. nvensation ought to balance the amount of in. jury. This might be true in some cases; but we must pratest against it in this. The present amount of fees in the Kings Bench belonging to the Lord Chief Justice amounted to 9.2001. This wss the present amount; but it would be extremely difficult to ascer tain the exact amount of loss if they were withdrawn. This depended upon the longevity . of the Judge, and the prospective value of the offices. Any pnrocular sum, therefore, was arbitrary ; but as the Lord Chief Justice, by abolishing the fees, would sustain a cer tain loss of 9,200... he thought that the grant of 10,0001. was sot too much. He must beg leave t.. rotest against any distinction being made in the salaries of the Judges of the different Courts. This would not be at all to the benefit of justice. With regard to the other alterations that had been proposed, he was disposed to listen to the proposition to open the Court of Exchequer, as it might help to reduce the business of the Court of King's Bench. This had been under his consideration for some time. Mr. SCARLETT.—The lion. and Learned Gentleman began in so low a tone of voice, that we did not catch his first sentences. We understood him to agree with the Right lion. Member who had just sat down, that the sum fixed upon was quite arbitrary. He however thought that 10,000/. was below the average value. They ought not only to look to what the officer were worth at pre. sent, but also what they might be worth hereafter. This.be meant with regard to the King's Bench ; as for the Common Pleas 4ie could not say much about it. It had been truly said that the sa laries ought to be sufficient to make them acceptable to men in the prime of life and full of practice. Wotid it, for example, be worth the while of an A ttorney•General in full practice to resign it to ac cept of the ChiefJusticeship ? Suppose that the present Attorney. General should be pitched upon to till the cffi te of Judge, which, if to change of Administration took place ' a thing not at all likely (a laugh), would come to pass; ought it, he would ask, to be pos sible for his lion. and Learned Friend to have a doubt in his mind whether he should or should not accept it ? In 1808, when the question came before the House, the late Lord Chief Justice, In a conversation wish him, had expressed his desire that some such change should take place. M'hilst, however, they saw that the at. lary was large enough, they must at the same time see that it was not too large. It might in that case become an object of ,political ' ambition, and be disposed of front interest, favour, or other undue means. It was not everybody that was qualified to be a Judge; it required long practice and knowledge of technicalities, which sumac of moderate talents might possess; whilst another who had . perbape the greatest abilities would not so well execute the o ffi ce a Judge. from want of this experience. This assertion was well supported by an anecdote related by Lord Coke of himself. James I. ace asked him why he (the king) was not qualified to judge in a arr. tain matter, since it could not be denied that he possessed all the wisdom and reason necessary to tom a man's mind ? To this Lord Coke reports himself to have answered, that it was very true that his Majesty possessed all the wisdom and talents In the would, but that &certain knowledge of technicalities was necessary. He had formerly heard of Judges being made on recount of their connections, having boroughs at their disposal—not that he thought such transactions would again take place ;_but he merely mentioned them as having happened. Re mentioned these chem. stances to show that it a:IS possible to raise the salary too high. With regard to what had been said about the age of the Judges, there were examples of young Judges having taken the office when the salary was lower than it was now. Mr. Justice Buller became a judge at 36 years of age ; and at that time the situation was not worth 2,5001. It was nearly the same with Lord Kenyon, neither of them were deterred by the smallness of the salary. As to what had been said relative to the practice of the Judges in Chambers, he, for one, could not disapprove of it. The business of the King's Bench, had net, as had been thought, increased, but had, on the contrary, diminiehed, and was not so great as it was ten years ago. It was the practice of Judges to depose of busi. nest in their Chambers, and now having no vacation, one of the Judges was resolved to enjoy hit evenings, and retired froth Court at three o'clock. It bad been said that Judges ought not to receive fees ; but upon thin subject he was afraid the opinion that he was about to give would be unpopular. There were certain fees on writs of error ; now these he thought might very well be abolished r but there were others that he thought might be kept with advantage, for where there was a fee, were it ever so small, the business was, he had generally ob served, done with greater despatch. It would perhaps be thought hard to press on the Right Hon. Mover the necessity of a general reform in the Courts of Law ; but he was sure that this measure would lead to it. lie thought that 10,0001. was not enough for the Lord Chief Justice of the King's Bench, whilst he was rather of opinion that that for the Puisne Judges was too large. The Hon. and Learned Gentleman concluded by saying, that lie did not think that the proposed alteration in the Exchequer would I educe the but shwas of the King's Bench. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL begged to explain to the House that the Exchequer had greater business than had beset stated. In addition to the causes which had been alluded to, the Exchequer decided all revenue cases, and afterwards held sittings in equity at Gray's Inn Hall after Term. In 1813, there was a great accumulation of business in the King's Bench, and for the purpose of getting through it, the Judges of their own accord held sittings at Scrjeant ' s Inn Hall, but the =ear nevertheless con. tinued to be great till the time of the present Lord Chief Justice. The practice was not altered for any purpose of personal conve nience to the Judges, but on account of the difficulties attending ; among others was, that in chambers they were not able to try every kind of cause, nor were they competent to give judgments there. So far (roue consulting their own comforts, he believed that from 1813 down the present time the Judges had sat out of Term, for the purpose of despatching the arrears of business pending in their -Court& He thought therefore it was a little hard upon the Judges, when they, having thus given up the whole of their time, and de voted themselves from an early hour in the morning to hear the arguments of Counsel, that it should be matter of complaint that they did not attend as usual at chambers in the evening. This was Dot just towards those learned individuals, nor was it possible that they should be able to attend at chambers ; for if they sat from day to day to hear arguments of Counsel on points of law, often very intricate, and upon questions which it was impossible for them im mediately to determine, their evenings were necessarily occupied in considering those questions. Ile admitted certainly what his Hon. and Learned Friend (Mr. Searlett) had stated, that a difficulty did arise out of this circumstance, inasmuch as that sonic inconvenience was occasionally experienced, by one of the Judges leaving the Court from time to time to attend at chambers. But still the busi. - nese of the Court was not at all at a stand, for three of the Judges continued to sit from ten to tour o'clock, and disposed of a great deal of business. With respect to the general question before the Committee, he would observe, that it was not suggested on the other side that the salary of the Lord Chief Justice was at present adequate to the duties he was required to perform. it waasaid that it was doubtful what Wan really thc emoluments belonging to the Lord Chief Justice. They were not to confi n e th emse l ves , in esti• mating these emoluments, to the learned person who Dow filled the offi:c but they should judge what the office was really w tech. The emoluments were stated to be about 5,0001. a-vear but then, if they were to take into their consideration the office of Chief Clerk, which belonged to the bard Chief Justice, ar,d the salary which he might himself receive, It would amount to con s id era bly mare. Lord Ellenborough did actually receive this salary, and therefore in his time the value of that office was 4,0001.; the amount of salary out of the Civil List 5,000/. ; the emoluments arising from fees, and the j,0($11. a-year, which was the value of the o ffi ce of Chief Clerk— making altogether no leas a sum than 16,0001. It was true the present Chief Justice and Lord Kenyon received less than their share, because this office had been disposed of by their predecessors; but it was with the average value of the office of Chief (led( that they had to do. Lord Ellenborough enjoyed this office for two lives, for his son now enjoyed it. This was public property, and was therefore at the disposal of the public, and might in his opinion be disposed of in whatever way Parliament should think proper. \Vial regard to the office of Chief Justice of the Common Pleas. he was quite sure that thc annual avcrav value of that office was at least equal to the sum which was proiosel to be riven by his Right Hon. Friend the Chancellor of the Cseltequer. The case, however, came to this (tor as to th e rest it was all matter of arrangement, neither increasing the sa l ar i es nor thou_ nishing them) what was the proper salary which this House ou g h t to give to the Puisne Judges. Although thei r p ro f ession was in some degree a profitable one, yet it was a mistake to conceive that getplemen, befeire they got to the Bench, had all realised a pro . perty. The o_pportunities of doing so were afforded b ut to a say few. In the first pine the education preparatory t o t h e B ar was -a very expensive one, and no gentlim.ua cculd evaa ealcubue upon return beyond his expenses till he arrived at the age of 30 years or more; what gentleman, except such a o ne w h o was most peen. Italy fortunate in his connections, ever had rea li se d more !ham sufficient to support hilt till he attained the a ge o f 30 years ?' ALd then, if lie eliould be levated to the Bench at f orty, where were the opportunities afforded him to realise sfortune f or hi s f amily pre. vious to his becoming a .fudge ? It had been said, indeed, that there was no instance of any gentleman to whom a judgeship had been offered. who had refused to accept it 00 account of the salary being inadequate to his necessities. Now there was a 010 , 1 illustrious instance of such a refusal having been made not many yeah ago, by a gentleman whose professional knowledge was out. ve n a lly known, and whose talents were only equalled by the Mg' h estimation in which his personal character wag held ; he meant the late Mr. Justice Dampier. That Learned Gentleman had a seat on the Bench offered to him, but he chained it on the ground that he could not affbrd to sacrifice the profits of his prisf e wh oo . U nfur. moue's, however, about two yews afterwards his health became impaired, and he then prayed for the 'situation which he had before refused, and his appointment took place; but he had not keel the honourable station long before death deprived the country of his labours. The question, alter all, came to this: what was the situation in life, and what was the station which the Judges of this country ought to sustain In 'mutely ? ll'as 3,2001. sufficient to enable then' to maMmin that station ? Judges were not like other members of the profession. A gentleman at the bar who might realise only 3.200/. per year might live within his income, and trait his mete of life to the demands of his family ; but a Judge could not. Gut of 3.200/. it would be impossible that gentlemen who had the dignity of their station to uphold cou ld rea li se anything fat their families; all therefore which could b e d evote d by them to their children was the profits of their previ ous pro f essional eaten at the bar. If the Commitsdesired that the Judges of the land should sustain a good and respectable station i n soc i ety, worthy of the dignity and importance of their office as dispersers of justice, and administrators of the laws of the country, then lie considered that there ought to be an augmentation made to their present income, whic't was inadequate for th ttlimrposc • I ut iu wi.at proportion it was for the ('ommittee to consider; in his judgment, however, it could not be less than dr sum proposed by his Right Hon. Friend, lie was disposed to give every attention to the suggestion of his Bon. and !learned Friend (Mr. Scarlett), with regard to throwing open the Court of Common Pleas and of the Eschequer, for causal which were now heard and disposed of in the Court of King's Bench but this was a subject which requir e d a great d eal of con sideration. It by no means followed, that by opening these Courts the business which was now carried on in the King's Bench, or any portion of it, would Bow in that direction, - if there were to be three Cinn is opened instead of one, yet if any one of them was in the alighest degree preferred, the business of that Court would in. crease. When he had the honour to introduce the Bill a few fiess shoos ago for empowering the Judges to sit after Term, he always considered it rather as a measme to be resorted to only as a tempo. rary expedient to despatch the ovetfiow of business, than th at i t should be continued as a part of the regular course of the besinne of the Court. The true way of distributing the business of the Courts was, that the King's Bench should resume its former period of hearing and deciding causes. The consequence would be that clients would necessarily resort to other Cluurts when they found that the Court of King's Bench could not dispose of it for them, But instead of such being the effect, accordin g t o the present mode, the House was for making greater facilities fur the introduction of further business to that Court, by which the other Caurts were de. prised of their proportionate share. It was far fmn being his in. tention that the Bill introduced by hint should have had that effect; it was, as he had already said, intended only as a temporary mea sure. The Judges of the country ought not to be perpetually em ployed in the laborious duties of their station. They ought to hare time, like other Gentlemen, to cultivate literature and the sciences. Unfortunately it happened to those who were destined for the legal profession in our time, that, after having par. sued their classical studies, they were obliged to suspend all literary pursuits, and apply themselves to the less agreeable task of studying the law. This was indeed in his opinion a great misfor. woe to their profession ; it depreciated much from the intellectual acquisitions of a gentleman and a scholar. The Judges should have time to see how the affairs of mankind were conducted-40 witness the events of the ige—to remark on the progress of intellect, and not be perpetually occupied in the labours of their judicial offices. In reference to the assimilating the practice of the Court of Common Pleas to that of the Court of King's Bench, he saw no reason why that Court should not be as open as the Court of King's Bench, and that the Sergeant should he an every respect like the King's Counsel in the latter Court. and that juniors should also go there and plead as they did in the King's Bench. But be believed that one of the principal reasons why the business of the two Courts was not more assimilated in quantity was, that the mode of taxing costs in the Pleas eat inconvenient to the attorneys, and that bus Mess did net therefore flow into that t'ourt so much as Into the other. Upon the whole be considerfil that the arrangement now proposed to be made 1111 s one less calculated to benefit the Judea titan to convenience the public. He indeed thought that the Judges would rather be the sufferas by the proposed alteration; but for the reasons which he had stated, and those which had been mentioned by his Right Bonet:1;1)1e Friend (the C'hancrlior of the Exchequer), he felt bound to support the motion before the Coin. mitree. Mr. SCARLETT explained. Sir M. W. RIDLEY said that after the able discussion which Fad taken place between the Honourable and Learn al Gentleman who had preceded, he would not tie:pass long upon the attention of the Committee, but he hoped he might venture to give his opinion upon the important measure now before the Committee. lie would merely ask those who knew any thing of the Courts of Law, and who had any idea of the labours of she Judges, to put themselves for a moment in the situation of a man wh h had attained to a high station in his profession, and to a certain degree of celebrity, by which his emoluments enabled him to maintain an establishment of suitable rank and importance; and then to consider himself re. mortal from the practice at the bar, and elevated to the bench, he would ask him how much could lie realise nut of that pitiful salary which was at present allowed to thePuisne Judge, that could at all maintain the rank and station in society which his former profes sional profits had enabled him to support ? It was extreme 'y convenient that persons to be appointed Judges should be allowed to arrive at that time of life when the duties of the office required the vigorous exertion of the bodily and mental faculties. Surely it wits not too much to say that persons in high official situ/more should have the means of raising a fond for their children, and not be dependent on the profits of their previous labours. This was la question that became important, inasmuch as it might be brought home to the feelings of every in lividual who thought but for a few moments on the subject ; and he should they, fore give his most cordial support to the motion of. the Right Honourable entlemau. Sir C. FORBES gave his most hearty concurrence to the measure proposed. and trusted that the Right Honourable Gentle man would consider it expedient to place the Judges of Scotland and of Ireland on a similar footing wi h those of England. With regard to Scotland, he was happy to say, t h at there was not one Judge who receive a sixpence as a fee, and, with only one ewe tion, there was not a legal office at their dispestl. When he should state to the Committee that the salaries of those Judges only amounted to 2,0e.0J. a-year ' he hoped he was not expressing too eatimiine an expectation that that sum would be increased at least I MM. Mr. lIU3IE did not expect there would be that unanimous vote upon this occasion which had been anticipated by the Right Honourable Gentleman. The Right Honourable Mover bed made no ground for his case. He had not shown that any we Judge was dissatisfied with his present salary, nor that the people had at all required it either from a feeling of generosity. or from a conviction that the law would be betteradroinistered by an increaseof the Judges' sslarielt. It had been argued by the Ho I. and Learned Gentleman (the Attorney-General), that it was proper the Judges should have more leisure. but would, adding two or three thousand pounds to their salaries give them more time? If there mu one reason more than another why this motion should not be agreed to, it ass that which had been stated by the Hon. Baronet (Sir C. Ft rb A), with respect to the increase of the salaries of the Scotch and Irish Judges. The moment the House should begin in creasing salaries, it must go on doing so, and be knew not why they should stop with the Judges. Every public officer is the country would naturally look forward to a proportionate advance. It was ex traordinary that although i• was said that the country could not get men of talent and ability to fill the office of Judge, because of thel , l 3 - dequate remuneration, yet there was only one solitary instance in the course of a century which could be brought forward where a gently nun had been offered the situation and had declined it : and was if I upon this single exception that the House now proposed to leeis late ? The Right Honourable Gentleman would have done better to have appointed a Committee to inquire into the value of the offices of which the Judge could not dispose, By a Report of Mr. ' Abbott, it appeared there were forty offices in the appointment of the Chief Justice, some of them only saleable. The step now pro puaeil was an enormous one—from 3,200 f. to ti,lXklf. He was sorry to say that there were many instances where the public money was voted away without much consideration, but that was in cases where the demand would not be again made ; here, however, there WAS only a commencement of a system of an increase of salaries. +chi' would prevent the possibility of a reduction of those taxes which the people had a right to expect should be granted them. The question was ill-timed and uncalled for, and if any How:l:able Friend would put it in his power to oppose it by on amea,:ment, he would most readdily second it. Mr. TREMAVNE expressed his most cord:al aptprohativi of the measure, and hoped the Right Honourable Gentleman would pursue the course he had so excellently begun. Mr. DENMAN was quite prepared to adopt the augers:lon 0 . his Ilonourable Friend Mr. Hume, and to propose in amender ;nc which would embrace the whole subject of the motion. 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