The Statesman. — London, England, 1810-12-20 00:00:00

tee. To pr :eel as the Nobic Lord had intimated, by a legislative measure, was, ho contended, cbn. trary to the Constitution, inasmuch as they ought . lest to supply a third estate, the exercise of the authority of whith was now unhappily suspended. To supply this defect in the personal exercise of tbb Royal Authority, at a crisis like the present, not n•natnent ought to be lost. He trusted that (beit _Lordships would consider the subject with the most easiest; attention, and that the course which the Constitetieo pointed out would not in this instance b • departed from, to the great and essential injury of the Monarchy. His Lordship concluded, by moving, that the Lords be summoned for to-morrow. Lord GRENVILLE rose, and observed, that be thought his Noble Friend (Lord Spencer) was by no means premature in the observations which he bad submitted to the House. He differed indeed with him on some points, and as it was - probable • that he might bo absent to-morrow, lie was agxiuus to take the present cpportonity of stating what were the leading sentiments of his own mind on this inciq important and interesting occasion. The House had now to proceed to the discharge of a most solemn duty—One which be must still contend they ought to have discharged at a much earlier pe. sled, if, as be much .feared, the representations which had gone abroad, should be confirmed by the IRepert of the Committee, then, after establishing on the Journals of the House the fact of that ca. larnity with which the kingdom is visited, there would be, as the Noble Earl opposite (Liver. pool) had justly said, two questions perfectly distinct in their nature submitted to their con. aideration, The first was, as to the right and duty of the two Houses, representing the Estates of the Realm, to proceed to supply the defect in the exercise of the Royal Authority ; and the se. ennd related to that course of proceeding witch it might be deemed expedient to adopt, founded upon the previous decision of the urst. And before he went farther, he begged leave to correct an error Into which his Noble Friend, he was sure inadvert. wady, hid fallen, in calling the Sovereign Power of this country the Third Estate of the Heahn. He had beard this expres , ion with the More colleen), for it was in error which was too prevalent, and %chid', ill his opinion, had a tendency to misrepresent ;Lid degrade the Slunarchy. The Nobility, the Clergy, and the Commons, represented in Parliaments were Viz Three Estates of the Realm,• and the subjects of the Sovereign Head, the King. 'ric Noble Earl (tiverp col) hail (Whited to give any statement, or to describe a general outline of those subsequent measures which it was the intention of Ministers to propose in the present critical exigency of public affairs. His noble Friend conceived the day fixed on by t h at Subic Earl too distant, awl creative of tionceetetary delay. But although he thought, and must ever think, that the time which had been already suffered to elapse was connected with most Culpable omissionwith a dereliction of their duties, and almost a breach of the allegiance which they owed their Sovereign, be was nut pre pared to say, that the intervention of 4 few days be tween receiving the Report, and taking it into coml. deration, was not necessary to give both dignity and efficacy to their deliberations. He was sure that the Report ought to be attentively read, and ma. Purely considered, before Noble Lords made up their minds to the adoption of any measure founded upon that Report, and arising out of the evidence detailed in it. With respect to the course which, lifter recording the fact of the suspension of the Ex.. ventive Authors!" on their Juhroals, it would be in. aolibeticon that House to pursue, it was with paiu ' th it he found himself unable to concur with his Noble Friend. But notwithstanding those feel ings, of which lie was always sensible on differing with him, every principle of duty, and every sug. ge,tion of reason, united to impose on him that disagreeable necessity, and impelled him to de. dlare his dissent from the doctrine which his No ble Friend had promulgated. More than twenty yens l4d now passed •since that period when Is‘t aria stated his sentiments on this momentous • question—many of them be had passed amid the lire cares of public life, and others he htid spent in, he tin tal, not indolent retirement. lie lead a flee often and deeply considered the opinions which 100 had then avowed, he had retailed them as affecting every possible situation of peblic affairs, and brought to their review all the aid which the light Of reading and research could afford him. Thu result of this reiterated and unwearied application of his attention served net merely to confirm, but to strengthen to the utmost degree what had then been the persuasiun of his en. l derataudiug. lie belisived lie poss,:ssed stifiielent matilintes to be superior to the fake evil; of obsti. aately adhering to opinions which he was conscious' had been refuted or diliprUltel Nib * infIUOICC eprillll4ll from recollections of this ,nature—nu bias shuns from spatting (and he should be un. worthy of the name of man were ho insensible of such an 'atrettiue) to the, memory of his de. p.a.( ed. Mal, s visho conducted the prepnlent of 1752, would operate to deter blue from openly roa.tcting an erroneous sentiment, and from con. feisiag the change which hail Liken piece in.the honest Piny:ellen of his tnin4 hail sock a 'chance actually happeood. Every aratinsent, however, which he hat) heard, atilt heeded to convince him • that it was by Lrgislative provision only, that soy steps could be taketa fur supplying the .ilefect of the. Jtoyal4.atlicsity s what: ever such defect was regu. lofty authentieosod t o ex i s t. I t we , an essenti a l ptinciple of the Constitution, flog the politiesl ca. parity of the Crown was always 'Mire, and he could not perceive, by what eunstitntional radially two Houses of Parliament could do any . act what ever without the coocorrenee and exercise of t h at capacity. This be felt himself bowel to declare as Ycer of Perliamenei faithflally disOharging the dhtf • sishielt he owed to his Suvereigo and his Coontry.— a duty whirls he sioierrely regretted must cost hiin• the pant of disagreeing with his Noble Friend. (In' "eiwthet Point, however, he fully concurred with Idio t ; )11 disapproving awl Condemning any int% tic's on the part of Minisitill of ago e n ding the proceeding in that House, until those of - Ilse other Ilous9 had. been-, brought toany particular stage, or until some-contate sk E 'meet ion had been received from it. He would nut, bst; l , deed, on the grounds which b e h a d b e f ore state& lasol TOje thy N9 l 4slKfclar/ e 4 State ID hit ropont t4iir ail pi of P 4 bq ac wi • th 'ft Ri Pt Pa Co t‘t %t owl a 1 ill i ll pm 11 be dr -' ~ THR the delay of a few days, one of thoie iiitermidiate days being one which the Christian would roam dedicate to the offices of religion, chart to any po. !ideal discussions, hoposver important, for he had no objection to.recuive a previous communication from tile Collie:ions, on the subject, but he trusted that no farther delay would be recommended for, such a purpose. He should consider such a pro position as au insult on the Ilouse, and an acqui. escence in it to be no less injurious than degrading. As Peers of Parliament, it was part of their pe culiar and most important functions, to interpose whenever such interposition was called for, to pre. serve the integrity of the Office, and to defend the interests of the peuple. In the execn. tion of this trust, he hoped that House would ne. ver be found consenting to arrangements that might seem to imply, or might truly imply, an incapacity to feel, of a reluctance to perform all the obligations mhicli it so powerfully enjoined, The Eurl of LAUDERDALE combated the chief position of his Noble Friend, which he said was built on a distinction, which he never could recognise, the distinction' between the political and the natural capacity of the Crown. Ile well knew that this distinction hail been antecedently laid down; and highly appreciated by some lawyers of great reputation, He had no difficulty in express. ing his opinion, that it was a distinction without any solid baw l and partook much more of the nature of a quibble than a legal definition. He had not forgotten that the quibble had been heretofore productive of the molt injuriou3 consequences, that it had furnished the ground for proceed. ings of the most desperate character. It must be in the recollection of Noble Lords, that by means of such a distinction, the political capacity of the Crown had been formerly con. verted to the purpose of making war in its natural capacity.—[We understood the Noble Lord to al lude to the history of Charles the First.)—The year 1788, lie wished to remind the House, furnished two precedents for the preseut occasion. The con. duct of the Parliament in the Sister Kingdom ap peared to his mind to be the mast worthy of itui. tation, and every featurgAu the character of his Royal Highness tha Prince of Wales concurred to st;engthen biotin this opinion. He would not pro. tract the present conversatiou by deielling at length upon these topics, as they would become the sub. ject of future and more ample discussion, and should,•therefore, conclude by remarking, that the awful situation of public affairs, and the important events which had occurred sincell7BB, called for a solernu review of all those argumeuts on which the de. visions and measures of that period had been founded. . The Earl of LIVERPOOL wished to be in. formed, as a matter of convenience to many Noble Lords, whzther it was intended to move any proposi tion tomorrow upon the Report being presented ? Lord HOLLAND was not aware of its being in. tended to move any proposition to. morrow. Being upon his legs, however, he would just observe, that he agreed with his Noble Friend' (Lord Grenville) in the necessity of making a legisla • tire provision, but contended that they ought first to establish a ropruseustative of the Royal Authority, fur the purpose of giving a constitu. tional sanction to such legislative measure, by the measure glanced at by his Noble Friend, via. an. Address to his Royal highness the Prince of Wales, to take upon him that authority. He would hot, however, enter inlay the subject now, as he might go on to too great a length, and the discussion would 1)..t at present premature. With respect to the se. coed resolution of 1788, which it appeared to be the intention of the Noble Earl opposite to propose upon this occasion, he should fed it his duty to give it a direcfnegative, if, as he trusted would be the case, some Noble Lord did not move upon it the previous question. Earl SPENCER was merely anxious for him self and other Noble Lords, to lay in a claim, that it might not be imputed to them that they had ac. riniesced in the proceeding, the intention of 'mope ' sing which had been intimated. This having been done, he had no intention of making any propose. Lion to-morrow. It would, hoot:ger,. be convenient to several Noble Lords to know, whether the No. ble Earl opposite wont!. certainly move the• resulu. Lions which lie had mentioned, unThursdar, or whe ther his moving them depended upou any commune. cation to be received from the house of Couintoni: The Earl of LIVERPOOL replied, that he could merely say, that it was his intention at pro. sent to propose some measure ou Thursday. Lord GREY VI LEA; observed, that of course it could not be foreseen what circumstances might oc cur in the mesas time, but it would be highly desira. ble to know, whether the Noble Earl intended certainly to propose any measure oo Thursday, or whether he inieoileft to 'wait for any communication from the Hum* of Conimons. Tine Ender LIVERPOOL repeated that it was his lineation to propose souse measure on Thurstidy. Lord 11 . 94 LAN 1.) said, if the Noble Earl did not propose some measure on Thursday, he (Lord Holland) should move an Address to his Royal, Hoginiess the Prince of Wales, to take upon Win the exercise of the Royal Authority. The Lords were ordered to be summoned tor to,. morrow. . The Earl of Lll'{2ool, wished, before the [louse separated, to mention tkat dunkis bad arisen whether, in the pretest state of the House, proxies. Could be recavod, be therefore thought it would be iniviseakle to appoint I Committee to search foe precedents upon the sobject, and intethicd to Make a motion to that effect on Thursday. • , . Cid STANHOPE thought it very strange that, eke Noble Earl should make the motion ou Thurs. day, the day un which the question would arise whether proxies ought to be received. Tito Earl of LW ERPQoLobseived, that if the preceik. f UsB, which' it was proposed to adhere to, was fo • by the Hems. Molting Itself into a Censniitteolik.lll4gState of the- Nation, proxies Gould nut, of cOse i , be teceived. tie had 1113 4)1). )(maim, howetek4itope for klitailep,oittimeut of the Committee tb.mortuw. ,' . . l!'arl STANIIOPE said, the Noble Sari was ';gain wrong, fur .bow did the2Soble Elia know, OW the Been wo agree tit attlie proposed I • •The Earl of 1, . lt.PoOr, gave notice of his raisio fgr tO.lLlcrre , t e ..A.l4lNfited 1410-41446 Q-111;: . STATESNIAV., Ma. LoriLL is unable, for a Jiro diet, to per form his promise respecting the exposure (.).( the corrupt system pursued by the present Aunt. iffStRATION ) in regard to NiiWSPAPERS, hav ing mislaid softie original Idlers written to him upon that subject, whioh, owing to his cortfluei; ment, he has not been able to collect. Ile has . : . no doubt of finding 'these LZTTERS in a few: days, when he wilt lay them before the Public, together with some very important information respecting .the Government Prints, 04. Tuzl Cauaran, Tea Mortxs.ver Posr, and others,' by which the No-Poverty" MEN hUZ:e been sup ported,:and *the Puisr rc most grossly tiecei;ed, for a number of years. ' STATIC GAOL, Newicate, December 40, 1810. PRICK 11F STOCKS riii 1/.1 V ATOM‘ 011.0 Ch. 3 per Cent, lied. asi S tier Ceni. Colts. blnit. isnium, 56 dir.• THE STATESMAN. I.OIVDON : TUURFIDtY, DECFMISER 20, IRIO. STATE OF HIS MAJESTY'S 111 , k1.TH. " irindrcir Cagle, Dee. °O. zt His MAJESTY has passed a good night, and appears rather butter this morning. .f It. WILLIS. 14 II ENtt Y II NISORD. .` M. ILA ILL( L. " W. HEltritl)EN. " R. REYNOLDS." This day arrired an Anhcilt Mail. It appears, that there has been a dreadful loss of English ship. ping in the Baltic ; nearly 200 are said to be wrecked; and many taken by the enemy. Count LEO is ordered to Paris. We have, in this day's STATESMAN ) concluded the ItErotyr of the COMMITTEE of the HOUSE of COMMONS, respecting the state of his 11AJehTY% health. We should have been glad of an opportu nity to enter into an examination of this very cu. rious and very i nportant document ; but a pressure dimmer prevents, and there is one topic before us, which it would require more than human modem. Lion in us to abstain from. The topic we now al. Jude to is...the Trial, in the case of Moraliser Post, in the Court of KING'S *NCI! yesterday. Before we proceed to that, howiver, sve.must say one word on a subject connected with the GENET, and most closely allied to the dearest into. rests of England. We find the followlug article la The Morning Chronicle of this day ; and We ap. "prehend the writer has proceeded upon aptbority in giving it :... _ _ _ " We have heard that It is the intention of Mr. " PERCETAL to submit to Parliament a plan of 61 Regency, with the same limitations which were 66 proposed in 1789, and that the Dake of YORK, St and all the other members of the RnYal Family, will give their decided opposition' to fetch a plan." We persecute no man. And if the Duke of YORK will stand by his brother, the PRINCE of WALKS, and aid in supporting the ZULYIII6I of his Minns, we congratulate his ROYAL IfIoRIESS, and are eager and proud to tell him, that the Public will soon forget his foriner errors, aye, and for give them tun. But- now ('or The jtorning Post. For him who has a heart, and whose heart has beat and swollen with indignation at• some late events, there is a richness in ewerr part of the proceedings of the trial of yesterday," and almost in every line and every word that no epicurean appetite would disdain! If it were re. venge sought,wehareit! No persln ever suffered more completely, or more impatiently, under tor ture, than did the torturers yesterday ! [lot, in speaking of epicurean apppctitr, we exclude re.' vetsge. We speak of that joy and enjoyment which sa vory viands give to the lovers of them. We trans fer this idea to the repast of a well-constructed miud, in reading the Trial ; and we see enjibymeut in every such wind on the occasion-, and feel our own doubled by the company and the sympathy ! The proceedings of yesterday, if they ate not a l.bcl upon the great Law Officer, and thus Ationinis. traturs of Law, are an answer, and a cuafounding oar, to the proceedings of a recent busioess. The ATTORNEY.GENERAL vindicates the libel of The Post against Mr. Bert, heeausc—what ?—it did require ingenuity to discover any vind:c ition —but what subterfi ge. could the Learned Areoftesir.G est tear. tind ?—he who was that out of .thii vindication, that the libel was en. pied from another Paper I-0h ! he took shelter in that very FORTRESS I• There he-posted himself, and in that strong hold thought himself , safe. 'Well ! if that was his conclusion, shy, rot a recent OCCIIIIOC, was the Defendlut denied the he. nerd of it ? It Is to be observed, that The Month; g Post RETIYVE, an expired. calumny, and therefore committed a libel fresh in its existenee;whereas l in the recent case we allude to, the Defendant and sufferer, copied in heat, and on the same day, the alleged. libel, believing it to be the truth. This will not evape indigi .tion, although we can merely point it out. The ATTORNEY GENERAL stands for vindication against a Libel, which the writer melt have gone out of the way to seek, and a long way back too, upon its bents a copy from another Paper ; sod denies site benefit of thii very vindica.. Lion iy tl 4:1110 Where 00 sfleged 040 h !tot only' gh,, . • efr Poseperclopbieurt oseCeeersiin:ritihy s : :vlintb fire f m rozi t t l.s notb o end therefore in haste, and it may we ll b e • advertently. The ATTORNEY -GENE h° I .angry with Mr. TOPPING. We are glad that Al 1 1 Torn NG's honest indignation reached a le h et ' the AT CORNEY..GUNC.RAL t Ire are gl a d , too it we seize upon this opportunity to say, la w integrity and courage of that eminent Co. us much as we admire his talents and legal I. wi And wo do congratulate the co untry that it ha, re"' what it has long appeared muc h to want, a Ne'i. and courageous Advocate, th at neither pho audacity can disheartee. We now hope ri o t ; 0 4 tudictsuents and Criminal i nfornistiona gt , b , fault. Mr. TOPPING has cared that ev i l _ 1 Ise b. here, end we thank hint for it ! But ATToiLN ET.GCNCR L is no ICU angry wit his too able opponent ! Ili never p retie the,law upon a Defendant ! A s to that, l e t ewer ' toast's breast, with his hand up on hi s heart, aalyt that. But Who has pressed more that, a t law upon the Defendant ? Who has said; t h ARMY' calls upon the COURT for justice? Vk* . has said that ? And w h at d oes that t ea L , We surely cannot be unsafe in stad4 l: real transactions. The Judge on the lielich t. ye, terday said, if The Morning Post had O tte, 46 suspicion of treason," "tead of the so u 46 treason" unqualified, the Defendant awn ha, been acquitted, becanse the ,fuel would have :v s TI TIED him. We are glad to hear this ducCrio from that Bencht ; fur it overthrows lit doctrine established there formerl y, and aka, acted upon—namely, that the greater the Tri the greater the Libel. We, therefore, nowlioltlan selves sanctioned by declaration of the Da t i l well as by Law, and the Constitution, in alts to the facts we have alluded to, The Arresmay GENERAL says, be has been known from hit hood; and it had been well for him, he had been less known, lie was kilOWn ti agar of brightness, and might sank (wh en his time bi tuns came) with u reflecting and retnemberedbri4ht ness. But he sank, not in the Course of supkue but in pursuit of ambition or lucre —he did and most now put up with what may be told truth, for the Bench has said TRUTH no be Lien. !-- Further, much further, smell we pursue this; but we have not time nor spier. Suffice it to add, that the Bench has honoured it. - self, that the Jury have honoured themselves, a* that nobody has had the disadvanta,ge, bet (I t o who were unwise enough to seek The following is an extract from the let:er (if our Plymouth Correspondent :- 4 , PIA MOU Dee. Dt " Lyme?, BD'S A ?A DTE, his famil Mille, bairktl afternoon about two o'clock, nt the y'VlM:Wig-01re fri whence they were conveyed in carriages to the Xhig's A Inn, in this town, where it is exizected they %Ullman' afe days before they proceed on their journey. Lucia a iSo Nara nit appears about 50 yens or nhaut Eve feet seven inches high, of a sallow complexion, i visrige, and is verysmucli like the pictures seen here, which amid to he a good likeness of his brother, the EirrliAoi. Madame Bo xA es RT C is a stout handsome woman. The dren consist of bye dam:liters mai two hogs, The eldest da ter is ablmt 17 years of ade, and very handsome ; so are On sisters. The boys are young, the eldest not exceeding tit rears or tire. They wele nee/soy:tined from the Vicorillirr. ()Meg to the' 111*y the elm-Admiral, Sir itoutter Ca t,sui, Geueral ENGLAND, Land BORAINGDON, nod several Nara - and Military Officer,." Leer EN is to proceed with his family and suite to Earl Powts's beautiful seat, Linures. The mi. .dence is a fine old castle, in thorough repair, with ipacious'grounds, and every accommodation for a -large fatally. Mr. 111.acarmzir, who lately me daunt for the exchange of prisimerr, who, it seems, ° knew LUCIEN at Rohn., is gone to Pl)mouth, fat the purpose of apprizing the latter on what terms he is to enjoy the protection' of the Britith Go. vernment. siiiiiesssorigemme ss m erz Mr. PgRcEVAL, it is said, is this day to harem audience of the Putscx of WALLs, at which it is supposed he means to explain the limited mod ,r stricted state in which be wishes to vest his !loyal ltighne%s with the Regency. It was reported last night that Mr. W. l'or.s hu resigned his place of Secretary in (retard. Letters from France, under date of the 18th ins!, were received yesterday ; they mention the failure of two great bankilig houses at Pat is, namely, Mem , . BASSING and C. and Touttroar, naval, and Co. They also state that the Kicnch (;overtiturat moot to support the latter; anctthat owing to the great do. trvss in Holland, the serer', regulations against Or British commodities had experienced sonic Mast. Linn ; for a day was appointed at Amsterdam IS born publicly 400 bates of English ovrchanilitc, but the day previously counter orders were reccord from Paris to prevent it. FOR sTATEsiCiti.. •' beg tenrc particill3rly to request the favour of ;AI y I.e for Mr. TrioxAv HA it pEn, to he teJ one of Y'''r R.vre,entatives in Contoniii Conceit for in.. year comiliato which wiil very inuela uitli; e, Sir, )thir obedient Yant. St. Bartholomew's, Dec.l7. IL 1.;.11.1)WYN• TO SIR. BA LD WYN, VD:MR.7R FR TO ST. BAIITIM -1.0.11;11'S 11031'11'AL Sig,--Iliving observed that you aro very noire in circulating printed letters as shove, and calib;o. ing the tenants of the Hospital in fatonr of one ti tins Candidates fur Common Councilmen o f Fa;- ritogdou Without, .I beg to ask, whether such can. duct is itithoriseal qy the Governors, nr by what other antlidrity it is that you, who are nut an elcc 4tor, shimiltl thus exert the groat influence of a pub. lie Institution (nut with any trot degree of deco. i ru n i 4 n t , iti i i t t t io tit ti t . 9 .,s .a e g v a e l l u a s l t o u f n e i . 4 l* f t r h ie e s Governorss il equal l y o f t that de. dross Kith Inj sell tu know by what faction of the Governor* . (If by any,l your conduct is dictated. 1" onrAkilerlient Servant, WC( SAVVEL ailt,i,Mt, 2 C".verner. 0.- 11 SITT IN fJr.. l d tmale' m acho t h, s ole P"' cl4retiol l ib e l to ctiarac" The 1 About B u rdett eurret d j cu sue latisin ifetrifo lion, tactile and dv l irt ttkelil 41 . 1 I§,,t„ *leo ghat The c it pro TlCter. fp; ti Wher to act I Was S tering CaUtiC V I YI. i tem of t you ch 17' poi 151 ow fa It